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Gee, I am tierd, I had wanted Brook and Sata and I got Mavis. Lots to be said about love and support.
Cyborg
Monday, June 5, 2000 12:00:44 AM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net
*Cyborg wanders in yawning* I started this post at seven p.m, then whent to visit my Dad, (he is having an MRI either tomorow or Tuesday) Now I can finally finish it. Daniel, Sevarius Jr., Winterwolf and everyone else, thank you for your well wishes.
Warpmind:<the means to commit suicide singlehandedly?> Glug, glug. *Cyborg sips something from a straw* Also, all arrangements can be made yourself. After all, the whole point is that your mind is still (relativly) fine. I am simply opposed to imposing on friends, family, or anyone else, to kill you. It can also put whoever in a bad position (such as being accused of murder). The actual dead though, _can_ be done yourself, that is my point.
Gunjack:<Whiskey in the Jar> Is that the Metallica version or the Irish Rover's version?
Rodlox:<a gargoyle who's head was somewhere between Brooklyn's beak and a cow's muzzle?> A muzzled beak, or maybe a beaked muzzle?
Gside: Never heard of pine, but I can't even use the tty mail (I think it's called mutt). Anyway, my problem is with the picking up and delivering of mail from the provider. Is that called an interface problem? I am never sure of my terminology. It stands to reason though, that if I was even halfway competent with software, I would not be having problems.
Sevarius Jr: I hope your Dad gets better soon too, it's rough on everyone in the family, I know. I'm surprised to hear that he can go back to work, untill they can continue his treatment. Here in Quebec at least, if you leave the hospital you loose your place on the waiting lists. Also, out- patients are treated only three months later at best.
Brooklyn: You can't send me anything just yet :( unfortunatly, since I am too incompetant to figure out my own computer. I was using the Macs at school for my e-mail, but now it's summer... I'll let you know when I get a new mail.
*Cyborg reloads the room* 622K! Hmmm, will the room not be wiped today I wonder?
Cartoon Topic:<what audience is being aimed.><style, the story and the complexity> Don't forget the changes in animation techniques. I don't think computers were used at all in the animation proccess durring the 80's, while the 90's saw the advent of computers being used in the proccess, which eventually led to CGI. One example that comes to mind: I remember an image in _Captain Planet_ that had the red of Wheeler's hair outside the line and on his neck. However, you will not find a mistake like that in _Gargoyles_ because of cumputer use.
Lady Foxglove & Daniel Johnson:<Squirrels...fluffy-tailed demon-spawn> Don't forget pidgeons, they are squirels that got a promotion ;)
*Cyborg yawns again* You know it has been a long day when you need four tries to spell your name right. Bonne nuit. *She leaves for her 3000 mile shutdown*
Cyborg
Sunday, June 4, 2000 11:58:58 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net
Lexy makes a good point. Production companies, save those that offer up quality, and tolerable stuff is Warner Brothers. I have to say that Batman and Robin had some major issues, and in Batman Beyond, we learn that ************SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*****************
Bruce Wayne and Barbara Gordan hooked up for a while, as more then just teammates.
************End Spoiler***************
That's mature, and it brings out relative thinking, making the kids go back and look and think, Hm, there are connections, that's something to research and think about. America, in general, is okay. I like it, no complaints, save a few. The major one, is the censorship we get here. I point to the first episode of DBZ, when Raditz arrives, in the Saban Edit, we see Raditz throw a bullet at the farmer, going through the body, and through the car. Yet, somehow, after this bullet has blown through his lungs and heart, he's able to speak? Several Namekians got their heads blown off, and lets not forget that we never even saw a quarter of the the Sayian Saga. It's just sad. We, as a people in America, are too damned conservative. We see all these movies, but you know, when you get punched in the face, you bruise, you get hurt....We are not living in reality anymore, and the latest cartoons have not helped the situation.
Second gripe- Cow and Chicken....how I'd love to burn any and all evidence that came out of our country. The animation is just sickening.
Okay...I've ranted to much...sorry. Anyway, that's all from me.
Later.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Sunday, June 4, 2000 11:38:20 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
David G<<
I never managed to find any of the rest of you at the Con, except for Skippy, who tends to stand out. Even then, I was busy trying not to get killed in the Vampire LARP (Which I managed quite nicely. I conned about half the other vampires involved into hunting down the people who were trying to kill me. It was fun.)>>
Yeah, it was fun, though I think I ran into everyone that said they were going to be there. Maybe next year everyone will use me as the message center...;)
Thats what's crazy, I ran into dozens of people who knew me the moment they saw me. And I may have been able to put a name to one in five. Oh well,the effect of popularity Iguess....
Skippy The Klingon
Sunday, June 4, 2000 11:13:59 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-37.ultravision.net
BOTTOM 10!
;)
Rest of my post later. When? I know not.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 10:51:55 PM
IP: t2-25.visitus.net
Hmm A discussion on Toons Today! YEA And I even used alliteration *beams with pride*
IMO: Cartoons, and animation in this country in general, (I cant speak for other nations) just makes me sicker each year. Yes, its true, we have hits here and there. But almost all of the chart breakers this year were imported for gosh sakes! NOT that I have a problem with that one (LONG LIVE ANIME!!!) I just thought that should be pointed out yet AGAIN. It seems like networks are just throwing together shows with absolute non-plots and empty characters. Just so long as it lasts the better part of a half 'en hour and frames some niffty toy commercials its worth throwing at us. And if you look at some shows that offered us a breath of fresh air, such as Gargoyles, they were soon dumped because ppl didn't know what to make of it. Kids didn't quite grasp it..but a lot of adults wouldn't give it a second glance because it was 'animated'. It was frozen between two worlds..*sighs*. Honestly I am torn. I would like to say that animation is just not this countries forte..er..(4-tay? *G*) But I know that that is _somewhat_ unreasonable. And besides, absolutes get me in trouble in here;). I guess what I am saying is America has one major problem that goes hand in hand with almost all our crappy cartoon issues. America has its ideas about animation. Simple really. If its animated, its for kids. Period. That is of course horribly false. But it is what is taught to parents and kids time and time again. Come on. Tell me that if you didn't ask a group of ppl at the mall what a cartoon is the frist, and perhaps only thing out of their mouths would be, "Its animated." I don't know how many times I was picked on in school because I was the girl who watched 'cartoons'. I didn't care. I loved um. When Gargoyles came out, if someone said "oooh you watch _that_ cartoon too??" I'd simply reply that it _wasn't_ a cartoon. Every person I have had this argument with is totally ignorant of the differences between a cartoon and something that is animated. I argued that watching Bonkers was a heck of a lot different then watching the Lion king. But noooo. They don't see the difference. They just say that I use that excuse cuz I am embarrassed that I watch cartoons. (NEVER! >:D)This is the basic opinion of the masses as well. ANIMATION=CARTOON=FOR KIDS.The USA really jips its artists. If you want to animate something and have it made a success Saturday morning or on the big screen you have to play up to so many damn rules and expectations that it comes out (IMO) a shadow of the original. That is not to say that America is totally screwed up with its rules.(no of course not;)) The sad fact is that animation=forkidsonly for most ppl. That means that we have to fallow certain guide lines since that is the group we are marketing too. It seems most ppl in here have been sighting a lot of shows in the 80's and then comparing them to that of the 90's. I thought I would take a stab at something different. Take a look at old Disney films. The full length animated ones I mean. Like Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, The Sword in the Stone, Fox and The Hound. Here we have stories. The characters main aim is not to see how many sick cliche's they can chuck at you in approx. an hour. The characters don't break into friggin song every 5 min's weather its necessary or not. And there aren't a bunch of way too noticable messages like Mulan and woman's rights, or Tarzan and family ties/prejudices between races (in that event species) Don't get me wrong. I loved Tarzan. And I like Phil Collins so the musical numbers overall were tolerable. But that isn't the point. When you watched the Sword in the Stone it was humorous. It made you laugh. But I can guarantee you this. If that movie was re-made now the owl would have had a loud annoying voice, a sharp,sassy wit and the incredible ability to make references in ANY situation to some 90's catch phrase, topic, or actor. When you watched shows back then you got the story. Ya..there is always gonna be a joke here and there..but for GOSH SAKES. IT feels like they are RAMMING these jokes down your throught. And heck, they show them every other commercial break so you have half the movie memorized before the opening credits!What happened?? What happened to just TELLING THE DAMN STORY? Are our attention spans getting shorter and shorter? Are we getting dumber and dumber? Is is just easier? What? Tell me! WHAT? Ups..I rambled about movies. Sorry. My main point going into that was just to say that I would like to see animation taken more seriously. All its used for in this country is kids..which is why I personally think many ppl don't know what to do with anime when they first see it. Its animated...yet clearly has adult themes..It just puzzles a lot of parents I know. *shrugs* With the flood of interest in anime going up though, hopefully that will be taken care of soon. Though I do worry sometimes that it is becoming way too much of a 'fad' thing and not being taken seriously. Like "wow, animation really ISN'T just for kids hey??" or "MAYBE we can actually start marketing animated stories with actual THOUGHT in them!" I hope it isn't the case that it is just a fad. Though most of me isn't worried. There are just too many serious anime fans out there. Its amusing though. Its so clear that they have NO clue how to market this stuff. And I suppose you can't blame them. Weather they keep an ear to the anime fans or NOT they are still subject to all those rules. But its cute how they sneak things in more and more. I remember when they first started DBZ here. Yes, they still have to 'send characters to another dimension' And we still see bad guys rotting in HEFL' and cities are still being evacuated in 2 seconds from a gigantic blast that demolishes a 10 mile radius'. But the fighting scenes have gotten better. They used to color out most of the blood with black (to make it look like a scrap or bruis) or just cleared up the blood completely. Now we have blood dripping from open wounds. Not that I am obssesed with blood or violence ppl;P Its just a little hard for me to belive that the blast that just nuked a world gave a character a scrap on the chest at best. The commercials arn't any better thought. I just fall over laughing at some of the advertisement gimmicks to sell this stuff. And to think of poor Sailor Moon. And that was AFTER they decided not to market it ala Power Rangers. For those of you who don't know count your blessings. Yes, the dubbed version was pure crap (IMO) They didn't even let the voice actors know about their characters! Just gave them a VERY brief synopsis and threw them into the recording booths! But I have sadly been witness to a copy of what they had originally planned for SM. *shuts her eyes* oh gosh...I ..I just CANT EXPLAIN THE HORROR!! THE HORROR!! Take the Power R's and stick them into sailor suits THERE YA GO!! Only this time add in some really BAD girly music, vally girl lingo and a crap load of 90's equality. HELL they had Sailor Jupiter in a WHEEL CHAIR!!! HELLO?? Its hard enough for them to fight the forces of the Negaverse in those damn high heels..but a wheel chair? *shakes her head* sorry..thats goes TOO far. They also, of course, had lots of ethnic diversity. One of the scouts was black, another white, one was Asian..so on. Lordy.
Ups..rambled again!! OK heres my opinion of cartoons today (in this country) in a nutshell
Most of them suck because we have a major issue in this country. That being that animation=kids. As long as that is upheld by most ppl then animation in this country will be made mostly for kids. If it is made mostly for kids then sadly it will lack a lot of plot. If it lacks a lot of plot then it sucks. *shrugs* But on the up side, as many here have already pointed out far more elequently (sp) then I, anime may just be that life line we are looking for, and so far it seems to be taking off.
Perhaps this is just something we have to grow out off..throw off the training wheels of Saturday morning brainless dribble and actually put some balls on our toons.
oohh..that was naughtiest thing I have ever said in here *watches Robby like a sneaky two year old to see if he will let her get away with it*
Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
To ashamed to say, Ditto, U.S.A
Sunday, June 4, 2000 09:51:35 PM
IP: spider-tk034.proxy.aol.com
* Tired, Broke, but in a very good mood, David G. enters the CR under the cover of a cloud of purpleish smoke. He is wearing his hair untied, hanging around his shoulders, controled only by the cords of his leather skull mask. He is dressed in a black three piece suit with a suede coat. Gloves with the bones of the human hand silk screened onto them cover his hands. In short, he looks about as cool as it is possible for him to look.*
Hi ya'll. I don't usually do RP style entrances, but I'm in a weird mood today. I just finished A-Kon, and I'm too tired to worry about how I'm going to pay for it.
I really need to see Utena now. I saw about three thousand videos using it for footage, but I never managed to see the Anime. This afternoon, I missed it by about three minutes. (I hate when that happens)
My haul of stuff includes the first half of Fushigi Yuugi, some Evengalion, and Sakura Wars on DVD, and the Sharon Apple: Cream Puff CD. Oh yeah, and an electronic Mew doll that still needs batteries. The FY boxed set was probably a mistake, but I got a discount.
I never managed to find any of the rest of you at the Con, except for Skippy, who tends to stand out. Even then, I was busy trying not to get killed in the Vampire LARP (Which I managed quite nicely. I conned about half the other vampires involved into hunting down the people who were trying to kill me. It was fun.)
As you might have guessed from my intro, the guy walking around dressed like a very GQ death was me. I think that's going to be my new convention attire now. It's pretty easy to get into, and fairly low maintanence, while still looking good. I need a good cane, though.
Oh well, I'm really tired, but it's too early to go to bed. I think I'll go straighten up my room as a starting ponit to bringing order to the chaos that has become my apartment.
Bye, ya'll.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, June 4, 2000 08:58:05 PM
IP: ip207.fort-worth6.tx.pub-ip.psi.net
**enters simply, nothing fancy today, I'm too tired. :) **
Stephen: One good review deserves another ... great work on "The Trouble with Garg-Girls." It *was* indeed a pleasant surprise to see Rosanna in action, so to speak, and even more enjoyable to see how you kept her in character even when she had to take assistance from Demona. (Of course, you mentioned something about it, so here I was watching Deliah use the stone and fully expecting maybe Cadillac to come out ... boy was I way off. :)
Animation changes: Well, there's also the production values to consider as well. We've come a long way from the days of Clutch Cargo and Bullwinkle (in fact, I've read a statement from Rene Russo about the upcoming Bullwinkle movie ... she had a hard time playing Natasha because of the body postures, 'cause the 'toon Natasha really only had about four poses). Not a lot of studios really do *anything* in limited animation anymore (i.e. the HB method of using the same body pose to film multiple shots), I mean look at the recent Scooby movies ... even HB's gone away from limited, and that was their bread and butter for *years.*
As far as the anime explosion ... **chuckles** I joked with Robby on IM once that if I won a humongo lottery jackpot, I'd use the money to start an all-anime premium cable network so that we could expose the U.S. to the *really* good stuff, not watered down at all (I'm talkin' 24 hours a day of DBZ, Slayers, Evangelion, Gundam, Trigun, et al ... 12 hours dubbed, 12 hours subbed ;). My point being, unfortunately the U.S. networks *still* haven't figured out where their main audience should be when they import anime (only one who might know is ABC, being an underling to Disney, who owns Miramax, who released Mononoke ... and then again ...). Way I can figure, WB is targeting their dub of Card Captor Sakura for a pre-teen set, judging by the promos ... same as the target for Pokemon, same as the target for U.S. Sailor Moon and DBZ ... *really,* the only network who knows who to target anime for is Cartoon Network (the *only* ones courageous enough to show Gundam Wing and Tenchi Muyo). I'm certainly hoping that eventually they pick up some other good series as well ... though I've also joked with Robby that maybe a better network to show "Slayers" might be Comedy Central since it kind of incorporates a lot of CC's style of humor. :)
And before I forget ... WHEEL 'ER IN, BOYS!!
**moving crew enters with a trademark Execution^TM cake and a remote**
Since 'tis Heather's birthday today, it's only fitting. **hands over the remote to Heather** Pick yer flavor. :)
That's it for me, then ... see y'all after the wipe. :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, June 4, 2000 08:40:01 PM
IP: 216.28.101.106
DPH:
1+1<2=1
I didn't get a chance to say anything before your most recent post, but I was thinking that the only way it could make sense was if it were an expression in a computer language. In that case, the answer would be zero: 1+1 is 2, 2<2 is 0, 0=1 is 0. Not sure want language you had in mind; BASIC maybe? In C the equality operator is == and in many other languages boolean operations can't be automatically type-cast to integers.
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Lady Foxglove and Jerry:
"Squirrels...fluffy-tailed demon-spawn"
Always pleased to meet fellow squirrel-haters. What do Giant Telepathic Rats like to eat, BTW? I'll see if I can dig something up.
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Rodlox:
I was getting DNS errors the night before. I suspect that Wyvern Web was having router problems; that can wreak havoc on the DNS system, and because of the nature of DNS it can take a while for changes to percolate throughout the Internet.
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S:
It's OK; nothing really bad happened. Enthusiasim, like many things, is great in moderation, but when more than one person gets too enthusiastic at the same time Bad Things can happen. Being able to realize that is a Good Thing. :)
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Jannie:
Thanks for the jokes. I have GOT to send that to my brother; he lives in Columbia, SC and has been developing a serious drawl in recent years. I love to tease him. :) And while I am definitely a Yankee, I must admit that Southerners are right about one thing: tea should always have sugar in it, the way God intended. ;)
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SJ:
Your speculation on fay physiology is very interesting and it's given me an idea, but I need some more time to type it out. Maybe after the wipe. It might explain their behavior as well as their powers.
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GXB:
You asked whether Goliath's treatment of Demona was unfair. From whose perspective? Goliath didn't know much about what happened to Demona for a long time. All he did know initially was that his mate and second in command had betrayed him in 994 and again in 1994. And even then he tried several times to reach her, but every time she turned on him. It wasn't until "Vows" that he finally gave up. He didn't find out the whole truth of what happened to her (well, a lot of it anyway) until "Avalon, part 3" when, according to Greg, the Sisters revealed their hand in Demona's fate. So no, I don't think his behavior was unfair, and in fact, I think that his actions were quite reasonable considering what he knew at the time. Had he known the truth from the beginning, he might have been more willing to forgive, but that's a moot point. All he knew was that she had turned on him for no known reason. His first duty was to protect the clan.
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Cyborg:
I seem to have missed this before, but let me offer my wishes for health to you and your family. I've been down that road before. And a friend of mine has brain cancer. Then it spread to his spine and paralysed him. Now after many gruelling treatments, he's walking again, his hair has grown back, and aside from some steroid-induced swelling he looks so much healthier. The tumors have even shrunk. The best thing is to have a good attitude. That and always getting a second opinion. :) Doctors aren't infallible. Especially with something like brain cancer. And most of all, take care of *yourself*. You won't do anyone any good by worrying yourself sick. Good luck and be well.
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Since no one else seems interested in my trivia questions, I'll give the answers.
1a. Writing system used for most languages: Warpmind got it -- Latin.
1b. Second: Arabic.
2. Longest continuously used language: Egyptian. Earliest known examples were from 3000 BC. From AD 300 on, it was known as Coptic, which was still spoken until about the 16th century. It's still used today by Coptic Christians as a liturgical language although it is officially dead (like Latin).
3. Six original civilizations (as far as we can tell)
Mesopotamia, modern Iraq
Egypt
Indus Valley, modern Pakistan
Yellow River, China
Andes Mountains, Peru (the Inca were the last civilization there, sorry Rodlox. The Moche were probably the first.)
Mesoamerica--Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala (Olmecs, Mayans, etc)
The first three are completely extinct while some of the culture of the last two is still preserved among the native descendants. Only the Chinese civilization still exists. A fact that the Chinese are very proud of.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, June 4, 2000 08:19:38 PM
IP: ppp-31.rb5.exit109.com
SRS JR.> <<the return of my website soon! Watch this space for further developments>>: Oh, I shall. I shall.
Sev. Jr.> <<"Oh my God!" Kari cried. "It's Tom Jones!">>: You should not have said that. I have It's Not Unusual, Delilah, and What's New Pussycat somewhere in the queue. I neve knew Delilah was so violent when I played it (Such a nice minor key in the background).
DPH> <<1+1<2=1. If you think in computer and remember that 2<1 has a value>>: But booleans and integers don't mix very well.
<<I know it was made in the eighty's. I was around, then>>: Sorry, I just thought that you weren't paying attention way back when.
<<"...while right lane turns left." <-- example of insanity in this room>>: Never been to Jersey, have you? Much of the time you do have to turn right here to make a left.
<<Can someone point to the page where Greg made his comments about Gargoyle evolution?>>: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/
Niamhgold> <<But, I have to warn you...I'm not exactly teeming with the experience-gathered intelligence necessary to cover that arena>>: It's not that bad. The first assumption is that the Ultimate Question and its answer is 6x9=42. As everyone knows, 42 equals 54 in base thirteen (I did not figure that out myself). Therefore, the the fundamental base of the Universe is 13. Since number systems are derived from the number of fingers the creating being. Therefore, God has thirteen fingers. Next we assume that God created man in God's image. Number of arms and legs can vary from that, but placment should be about the same, so God has an even number of arms and legs, divided evenly on two sides of God's body. It is impossible to divide thirteen fingers evenly, so God must be assymetric, and therefore so is the universe. Whet we get from this is and explanation of why antimatter seems to be a mirror image of "normal" matter, and why mirror images of many common molecules have vastly different properties (Martin Gardner's Annotated Alice rocks my world).
<<I'm going to an art and design school>>: Then say farewell to your brain. (I can say that because my brother is (almost) a graduate).
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, June 4, 2000 08:19:00 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
Hi every body. I really don't have any new news. But I'm bored and I need someone to talk to. I'll be on all day. See you all later.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 06:08:13 PM
IP: phx-211.treknet.net
YOu have a good point on the state of cartoons. Seems that GOOD decent cartoons have gone the way of the dinosaur. Gargoyles was one, and when the series of GI Joe changed to GI Joe Extreme (Which just sucked.)was another. I look at the state of Saturday morning, and it now caters to the adults, who probably don't wake up till noon anyway. The only attempts to bring back Sat. Morning, is by The WB and Fox. I think I've seen more originality in Batman Beyond in the last year, then from what I've seen in 5 years of CBS Sat. Morning Programing. It's sad....really. Because we can't re-live our childhood. Spider-man, the series before that new one, was a great one also. Same with X-men the Animated series. I loved it, however skewed it was, and the fact that it was No Psylocke or ArchAngel.
On the other hand, I think the rising amount of Anime coming in is a a great thing. First, we have Toonami. Toonami is a bastion of light for a lot of us who used to watch those old cartoons. Reboot, now that was a great series, but ABC never used it to it's full potential. And personally, I think towards the middle of the second Season, and ALL of Third is some of the best story writing I've seen in a long time. If the rumors are true, we might be getting some of the Daemon War soon. Probably next year. Back to anime. With the rise of Pokemon, which I admit, we probably a good thing for the anime community, we got DBZ and Gundam Wing. I'll admit, the plots are tired, but to a lot of us, it's new, it's great, and I don't care about the comments. I understand there is better, but I don't have 30 bucks a tape to spend. I think we'll be seeing a large increase soon, as Tenchi Muyo is on its way.
I think Sci-Fi channel did it best though, when it had Dominion Tank Police, Robot Carnival, and Vampire Hunter D (which is one of the greatest I've ever seen.) I'll get to AKIRA someday, but right now, everyone overhypes it. Anyway, I think we're in for some good things coming soon. But it won't be on the main three networks anymore. It'll be on Cartoon Network, Fox, and the WB. And NBC and them know it, that's why they tell everyone those channels suck.
That's the state of Cartoons. For the record, I have to say that D&D the TV show, was shown around 87 or so on CBS. All I remember is sitting on the foldout bed in our living room one day, and seeing it. The rest of the series, Transformers, I'd love to see the HeadMasters series that was made...I had PowerMaster Optimus Prime....probably my favorie one of them all. GI Joe, that should be back on the air also. Anyway, I've ranted enough.. Thanks for listening.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Sunday, June 4, 2000 05:21:34 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
Rodlox>You were asking what the third überclan of Gargoyles could be...well, the easiest thing (from my point of view) would be to split the 2nd version (Gargoyles having animal traits) into two different clans. One would be the Garg beasts, whose intelligence is on the level of animals, and the second would include the animal like Gargoyles with human like intelligence. This would leave you three clans:
1.)Human like Gargoyles like Goliath or Demona
2.)Humanoid Gargoyles (standing upright, but with animal traits, like Brooklyn, Leo, Una, Griffon)
3.) Gargoyle Creatures (animals, like Bronx or Boudicca)
Hope I could be of some help.
Michael Heitz
Sunday, June 4, 2000 05:17:21 PM
IP: stu1id1a.ip.tesion.net
Animation through the ages> Someone asked what is the diffeence between 80's and 90's cartoons. Well in one respect very little has changes. In another repsect the differences are as dramatic as Gothic and Renaissance artisty. Mostly it's the small details that make the difference. For example what audience is being aimed.
In the 80's cartoons were aimed strictly at children 4-10. The plots (and that's being generous) were one-dimensional. And there was no continuity. (Something that happened in one episode rarely carried over to the next with the exception of introducing new characters).
by the late 80's and 90's some of that changed. You'd still find the cutsy toons, but you also had animated series with complex plots, character development, and comic book-like continuity plus characters who kicked but, took names and asked if anyone wants seconds.
Why the change? Money. Up until the late 70's, TV animation was the sole domain of Hanna Barbara. (You would not believe how many Scooby Doo and Flintstone clones HB made.) Up until that point, kids stuff may make someone a nice chunck of change, but nothing like commerical sponsors for primetime. Then someone or a group of someones realized that although kids didn't have much direct buying power, they had an awful lot of clout influencing their parents. No commerical no matter how slick and compelling can compete with a kid begging his parents for a toy day and night. Transformers and GI Joe got the ball rolling.
I love these shows too, but in a sense they were 30 min commercials. Like every boy I knew, you had to have Transformers. And it's no fun playing with just an Autobot or just a Decepticon, you had to get one from each side to have a decent good time. Pretty soon, weekday afternoon was awash with action-packed cartoons each pushing a toyline.
I'll summarize the next bit, because I starting to like myself talk too much.
Factors that changed animation:
Robotech - Great show, an animated soap opera. The action was great, but the interpersonal drama was fantastic. Showed that characters didn't have to be flat, staid superheroes.
By the way, I have all the episodes and a couple of the movies on my computer so if you want them let me know.
Disney Afternoon - Showed other production studios that they could market new characters by using tried and proving ones. Sort of lowered the feeling of risk. WB used Tiny Toons and revived some of their DC comic heroes.
The big changes are style, the story and the complexity. That's how I see things
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 04:27:56 PM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu
Selene: "Double, double, toil and trouble,"
Pheobe: "Fire burn and cauldron bubble..."
Luna: "All hail Dunc...what the--?!"
** Niamhgold enters in a cloud of smoke**
Hola, gang! Because I racked up the overtime, I got to get off work early today (and go spell-trompin')! :D
Christine: Ouch; too bad about your ankle :( But, hey, at least you know Becca's got a good arm and the ability to snatch up those prizes (or was that you and Tim?) ;) Anywho, glad you had a good time! Will be waiting for "Lylth"!
Rodlox: I liked your story from Avalon Mists, "Swimmer." (should've been more specific) :) Hmmm...the third type of clan. Well, maybe those exhibiting fey qualities (of course, the Fey have a _lot_ of variation in their culture, as well, so it becomes difficult to determine what qualities are mainly theirs). Maybe the third type would be a wingless quality of gargoyles (Bronx would probably have to be put into this group). I'm not the best at biology or physiology ^_^
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky: You bring up a good point of Goliath and the clan's treatment of Demona. Personally, I felt that Goliath's first reaction of his mate's coldness ("You said the years changed me. They've changed you, too") were justified, since Demona had lied and told Goliath that she'd sought the Magus, been changed to stone, and slept the years away just like him. So, I guess Goliath figured if _he_ hadn't changed because of stone sleep, that she probably shouldn't have. But I think the last straw was when she told Goliath she'd betrayed the clan. And that, IMO, told Goliath that Demona had never been quite innocent. The clan has precedent, and I think that's why they've gone against her.
But, I also feel that the clan's anger died down after they learned of Demona's pain from "City of Stone." Even Goliath became humbled a bit. He also showed great care towards Demona in "Hunter's Moon," since he saw her potential to change ("We can all die together. You, me, the clan. And our daughter.") So, I don't think it's a matter of fairness, as much as it is a matter of learning from the past. Both sides have to find a common ground; not one or the other.
Urgh...I thinked I've waxed philosophical. Sorry, Greg "X"! It was a great question! :)
S: Welcome back! :)
Shadowrider: Saw the story in the archive :) Looked great, and had a good rating the last time I checked! I agree; it looks good in html :) Glad to have been of help! ** Tosses Shadowrider a celebration brownie and pours a glass of sparkling cider (yes, cider--I'm not going to break the law, ya know? ;)) ** Here's to your first fic. Cheers!
Gside: << Assymetry of the universe >> I *knew* you'd be the one to answer me! :) But, I have to warn you...I'm not exactly teeming with the experience-gathered intelligence necessary to cover that arena. I'm a bit on the other side of the spectrum from being well-versed in the sciences and mathematics at this point (maybe when I get in college; but then again, I'm going to an art and design school).
Rodlox, Todd Jensen: Thanks for the TD Atlantis info! :)
Foxglove: ** Niamhgold pumps her arm like Arsenio ** Yes! You're going back to work on your fics! Man, I loved your series before you left! Raven was an awesome character, and, of course, loved the E&G concentration :) You wouldn't happen to know what Skydancer is up to, would you (I think it was you that was friends with her)?
I think that's all for tonight, Folks...
Adios!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 04:13:38 PM
IP: lac-flex140.ncia.net
Quick posts for the day. Hey guys what can I say I found a
computer!!
<Winterwolf>
I emailed you. Check it and mail me, I'll be gone for a few
days.
<General>
To all who are interested I am going to leave "Dublin clan" alone until more research can be done on irish literature.We have a seven volume set on the stuff,so I think I'll peruse through that and put it in my fic. I'm thinking Cucullain should come back.So I'll begin work on Future Tense as soon as I constuct a timeline over what happened during the 40 years Goliath was gone.
<Rodlox>
currently reading what you've written. I like it!!!
<Emambu>
That's OK! Hope you're enjoying our liitle section of cyberspace.
<Cyborg>
I begin writing FT and I'll send you a couple episodes of both.
Well that's it for now.I'll post whenever I can.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 03:43:31 PM
IP: usr138.cqc.com
That should read "go figure," obviously ... ; )
Christine
Sunday, June 4, 2000 03:28:29 PM
IP: 14-076.009.popsite.net
Rodlox > yep, you were the first to ask how I chose that name! Conversely, at least a dozen people have asked for the entirity of the joke Beth tells during "Love Machine." God figure ; )
SJ > read with interest your theory about the 3rd Race; that's one of the aspects I'm trying to work into my latest story. My continuing well wishes to your family!
Progress report > I will be back to work on "Lylth" tonight, possibly even finishing it unless it decides to turn into a bigger story than I'd planned. We shall see. Look for the June issue of Sabledrake sometime tomorrow, with the theme of myth & magic! On another note, I am limping because Becca missed a skee-bowling throw at the Everett Salty Sea Days carnival midway and the hard wooden ball rebounded off the bottom of the lane and cracked straight into my ankle bone. Ow! But perserverance and too much money eventually sent us home with an armload of cheapy stuffed animals and posters, huzzah!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 03:27:19 PM
IP: 14-076.009.popsite.net
SJ> If you're looking for some TF anime e-mail me. There were several spin-offs of the show in Japan, "Headmasters" (I have this series dubbed in English), "Masterforce", "Victory", "Zone", "Beast Wars 2" (I have the first three eps subtitled), "Beast Wars Neo", and now "Car Robots". If you're interested in acquiring "Headmasters" and the "BW2" eps let me know, I can help you here. I even have all 98 episodes of the original series on tape.
Robby isn't the only person knowledgable of TFs in here.
D&D> I know it's campy and hokey, but I still like it, it's a fun show. I like Venger a lot, he makes a cool villain, and a lot of the fantasy elements in the series also, like Tiamat. I am sure that if the show were being written today it'd be a lot more sophisticated, cause cartoons weren't written that way back then (Though it's still a lot better than a lot of the crap on the air now). Imagine if "Gargoyles" were written back in the 80s, what would it be like? It wouldn't be the same show.
Here's something I've been thinking about recently. Do you think that Goliath's treatment of Demona has been a little unfair. How could he possibly understand the living Hell she's been in over the centuries. Goliath has been through one real tragedy, but look at how many Demona has been through. This is not a "Is Demona evil" question, it's about Goliath and the clan's treatment of her.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 02:42:39 PM
IP: dialin-10-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net
Hmm. Actually I was thinking about a different way of interpreting 1+1<2=1. If you think in computer and remember that 2<1 has a value, you might see what I am thinking about.
**D & D Comments**
I know it was made in the eighty's. I was around, then. But, I can not quite put my finger on what makes ninety's/two thousand's animation better than eighty's animation. My point was that story should have been saved or used to teach them why they are in that universe. If the villain had not stopped them, one of the kids would have been supsicious and would have put it together as it why they are where they are.
**END D & D Comments**
**Animation comments**
Can someone tell what separates eighty's animation from ninety's animation? I can not quite put my finger on it.
**END Animation comments**
"I just know. I just know. Left lane turns right while right lane turns left." <-- example of insanity in this room.
That funny joke about American history according to kids reminds of a page I have visited: http://www.cyberspc.mb.ca/~dcc/phys/humor.html . It's been a while since I visited so the link may not be good.
**RP RELATED**
In the history of this room, how many RPs have there been? Has there ever been (except for now) more than one RP in this room at a time?
**END RP RELATED not an RP named 'Related'**
**ECONOMIC JOKE**
I saw a thirteen inch TV being sold for the same price as a two and half inch tv.
**END ECONOMIC JOKE**
Ok, I have heard jokes about the southern way of life. But should there not be jokes about life in the rest of the United States?
Can someone point to the page where Greg made his comments about Gargoyle evolution?
**BFTS RP**
DPH looked at a road sign and realized he was 30 minutes away from home.
"I guess stopping at the restaurant for food was a good idea on the way back to my house." asked DPH.
"Yes, it was. But your choice of food reveals one fact about you." said Plastique.
"What fact?" asked DPH.
"You're a Southern at heart." replied Plastique.
"How is that a bad thing?" asked DPH.
"It isn't. By the way, when was your last assignment from ITAG?" asked Plastique.
"A while. And you?" replied DPH.
"Just left a long assignment." said Plastique.
MEANWHILE
"I think this was a distraction," said DC.
Netlag replied, "Why?".
"I see your point. DPH used the osmium as a distraction." said NCA.
"Should we go to his house and attack?" asked Netlag.
"No, need for that. The Speed Stars are planning an attack on DPH's house." said DC.
"So, we'll wait and let them soften DPH's allies up. Besides, I'd like to get an idea on how weak these fools are." said NCA. NCA teleports away and Self-ReBoot shows up a few minutes later.
"I've been watching your conversation. Why haven't you told NCA about communications technology working?" asked Self-ReBoot.
"Netlag and I are delaying telling him until we're ready." said DC.
MEANWHILE
Plastique drives up to a gas station to fill up DPH's car. DPH buys premium unleaded gasoline and fills up the tank.
Plastique Saber finally drives up to DPH's home. DPH and Plastique Saber get out of the car and knock on the front door of DPH's house.
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 02:23:55 PM
IP: max1-42.cwy.cei.net
ALL: i seems to have written myself into a corner, and any/all suggestions will carry considerable weight...
for those who've already read the _Avalon Mists_ story 'Swimmer', i introduced the idea of 3 uberclans of gargoyles:
1) humanlike gargs {Goliath, Demona}.
2) gargs exhibiting animal traits {Bronx, Brooklyn}.
...the question becomes - what would the third group be like?
{and if any of you would like to use the Three Uberclans idea, go right ahead}.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 01:41:34 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
**BEGIN RP**
Kari backed up as the white tigers descended upon her.
"Wow!" a demon called from the audience. "Is this part of the show? Damn, Vegas has gotten even better since the last time I was here!"
Kari was preparing to transform into her avatar form, but she did not have too. At that precise moment, the back of the auditorium exploded with motion as a man raced towards the stage, followed by two large, canine-like beasts.
Kari stared in shock. "The Hounds!" she cried. "I forgot they teleported down with us!" The Hounds and the man leaped up onto the stage. With a quick leap, the Hounds were already upon the tigers. Beast paired off against beast. The Hounds were fearless, their jaws snapping ferociously as they batted their huge paws against the heads of the tigers. The felines appeared hesitant to engage these new, violent foes, and began to slink away, their pride wounded more than their bodies. The Hounds surrounded Kari defensively, and growled deeply, making sure the message was sent out that they *would* do anything to protect her.
"Vere are you gohing?" Siegfried cried to the tigers. "I ahm your mahster! Obey me!"
"That's about enough of you, pal!" came a shout, and before Siegfried could react his face collided with someone's fist. He fell to the ground, his nose a bloody mess, and looked up to see the man who had leaped onto the stage...
"Oh my God!" Kari cried. "It's Tom Jones!"
***PAUSE RP**
Whoo....been a long weekend already. So right into some stuff.
Cyborg: I'm deeply upset about hearing of your father's condition. Unfortunately, it looks like we can commiserate with each other. What is his condition? Do the doctors want to operate, or how are they going to treat it? Keep us informed. I'm sure the others are with you as well, but know that you have my deepest wishes that your father recovers. If it makes you feel any better, I'll be praying that he's back to perfect health in no time.
Stephen: Thanks for asking about my dad. He's actually doing pretty good right now. He's feeling better, but he still has an infection in his back that is preventing the doctors from performing a biopsy of the tumor in his back. Hopefully they'll be able to do that in a week or two. Until then, he has been feeling better, and he's thinking of returning to work this week, even as early as tomorrow.
BTW, I caught your remark a week or so ago about how we don't always agree on everything.....I don't necessarily think that's true. We do seem to but heads about Star Wars ;], but beyond that, I think things are pretty simpatico between us. Unless I'm horribly mistaken and I've offended you about something else....In which case, I'm truly sorry. Honestly.
Doug and Kit: Glad to hear that you've got a car! I'm trying to scratch some pennies together and save up for a decent automobile myself, but unfortunately most of my spare cash seems to be going into having to fix the old one (this past week especially. I've had it break down at least twice this past week). Congrats on finding one that actually runs! ;) And I'm glad the two of you are going to A-Kon.....or is that "gone"? When is the convention, anyway? Regardless, have lots of fun for those of us not going, take some pics, and give us a full report when you get back! :)
Robby: I'm gonna ask you this, because I think you would probably be the most knowledgeable person I know to answer it. I know that the Transformers we got here in the States, most of them (the toys) originally came from a bunch of different Japanese toy lines, until Hasbro started making some original figures. And the cartoon series was based on this. What I recently found out is that the Japanese loved the American cartoon, and they made several series and anime movies about the show AFTER the American series ended. Is this true? If so, any idea where I could find some of them? Damn, I'd love to see some anime Transformers.
D&D show: I kind of agree with Gasper on this. I thought this show was cool in the 80s.....particularly because my mom refused to let me watch it cause at that point America was going through the whole "RPGs are the tools of Satan" phase, so watching it was "taboo" and thus exciting. But in retrospect, I don't really think the show has held up as well as its other 80s contemporaries. Hell, I still love Transformers and G.I.Joe (I'd love to petition Cartoon Network to pick up one or the other...I could do with a little more Optimus Prime and a little less "New Adventures of Jonny Quest" or "Captain Planet"), but D&D just seems sort of campy and hokey now. Maybe too much DBZ and Gundam Wing is ruining me.
Fey and Genetics/Manipulating Evolution: Did Greg himself state that the Fey came after humans and Gargoyles, or are they just implied as coming later because they're the "3rd race"? I would say that it is *conceivable* that they Fey have had a hand in manipulating the genetics or evolution of the "lesser" races. But I don't see many of them as, well...I don't know, qualified enough to do so. Most of the fey just seem content to screw around with mortal's lives under the erronious assumption that they are superior to them. None of the current crop of fae impress me enough to let me believe that they've had some sort of divine hand in evolving the mortal races. Maybe the fae before them.
I'm interested in the genetics of the fae themselves. Their physiology has to be utterly unique. Perhaps the reason they have more power than mortals is because they are better able to manipulate their environment than the other races. How they do this is a mystery to me. One could say magic, but how are they able to manipulate magic? Certainly they don't create magic, cause humans and gargoyles can do that. Either magic is some sort of cosmic energy source that can be manipulated by anyone, or it's a power source that any indiginious creature on earth can manipulate, to varying degrees. Fae seem to be able to manipulate magic inherently, meaning it's part of their genetics.....rather, it's easier for them to do so than the other races. Humans and gargoyles must learn magic, sort of take on Colin Wilson's "X Factor" theory, but the fae seem to be able to manipulate it readily without much prior experience. At least, this is an assumption, as we've never seen an infant fae, and Alexander doesn't count because he's 3/4ths human. I think that the disturbing thing about the fae is that they may, in a sense, be more evolved physically, in that they can better control their environment and thus adapt to survive, but they're not terribly advanced mentally or psychologically. I mean, the majority of the fae are just.....well, in a word, petty. Mean-spirited, or just plain misanthropic to any non-fae. If they were a true "higher" life form, one would think they'd be beyond this, but they aren't. Oberon himself is proof of that.
**RESUME RP**
Tom Jones looked at her and winked. "I heard that a beautiful young woman was in danger, so I thought I'd lend a hand."
"I vill show you!" Roy screamed, and he grabbed a long black whip that the illusionist used in his act. He whirled the weapon around his head, then snapped it toward Jones. But the handesome British crooner was waiting for him, and he grabbed the whip with one hand. He gave a solid yank, pulling the surprised Roy forward and close enough for Tom to deal him a quick roundhouse punch that sent the illusionist flying backwards unconscious.
Jones looked pleased with himself. "I've wanted to take a shot at those nancy boys for a long time now." He walked over to Kari. "Are you okay, my dear?"
"Um..." Kari said, a little starstruck. "I'm...I'm fine. Thanks."
"No problem," he said. He slipped an set of keys into her palm. "That's my hotel key. Maybe you'd like to come on over later tonight, and...uh....talk about this whole ordeal."
"Gee, um....I don't know..."
"It's okay," he replied. He turned to the audience, who were sitting in stunned silence....all except for the demons, who were applauding and shouting their enjoyment. Tom picked up a microphone. "Sorry about that folks, but it looks like Siegfried and Roy will be canceled for this evening. If you would like, though, I'd be happy to sing a few tunes for you....How about, 'What's New, Pussycat'?"
As the singer began a musical set, Kari hopped off the stage, followed by the Hounds. The Administrator stood transfixed, staring at Tom Jones. "What?" Kari asked her.
"That human," the Administrator said, an odd note in her voice. "He's very....intriguing..."
Kari gave her the hotel keys. "Here, maybe you should have these then."
***END RP***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 01:18:33 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net
*yawns* Good morning everyone. I hope everyone has a lovely day.
Top Ten Signs Tim Burton Is Your Nextdoor Neighbor
10.) Mr. T cereal boxes in the garbage.
9.) Front lawn is sprayed with pesticides daily to kill off those darned Saturnian sandworms
8.) A Joel Schumacher punching bag keeps being thrown over the fence in rage.
7.) Mysterious, jubilant shouts of "Who's da man, who's da man!" whenever a Burton film is shown on network TV.
6.) Those animal bushes in the back yard didn't clip themselves, y'know.
5.) Memorial Day picnic begins with mass holocaust of stampeding steers.
4.) Won't let any kids come trick-or-treating on Halloween for fear they might be Lock, Shock and Barrel.
3.) Signs begin appearing all over the neighborhood, asking for help in finding that lost bike.
::she pauses looking at the last 2::: Wellz... I could post these last ones, but I'm afraid that I might get flamed for it. If your interested, email me and I'll tell you ^-^
thats all for now!
Bronx - [Bronx Wyvern4@aol.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 12:20:34 PM
IP: spider-wd054.proxy.aol.com
<<Enters the CR, toting a rather large stuffed lounge pillow that resembles - of all things - a 5-foot long Catfish!>>
Greetings all...amazing what they sell at Wal-Mart these days, isn't it? (grins)
First off, a belated-much-deserved Kudos for Coyote and everyone that worked on the recent episode of Timedancer. Don, Foxglove and the rest...ya did great!
Also, a word to my fellow contributors to the latest Avalon Mists: FAN-TAS-TIC! Everyone did great with all the stories, art and other goodies. Michael, your cartoons are such a treat! And Christine's RGG (Random Garg Generator)... why didn't someone come up with this sooner? Simple and easy! Generating the looks of a character was never so much fun! Also for everyone that met the Artist Challenge for the Swimsuit issue, and extra big Kudos! Christi's artwork is fantastic as usual (Especially "Stone Bikini"!) and the story "Club Tropico"... of course I wish I could plug my own fics, but I'll wait until someone comments on them (perhaps I made them too long, you think?).
Foxglove : I'll have to get back to you for some commisions...getting some great ideas as of late. :)
SJ : Any news on your Dad's condition?
Random comment : While I was in Hastings Video the other day, they played a video of some teen pop group from Stockholm called "A*Teens"... turns out these four kids are doing new versions of all of the old ABBA songs, with a more modernized pop/dance beat. The video was "Dancing Queen" and, to be perfectly honest, I can't find a thing wrong with it, or with their version of it... but then again, I was in England when ABBA first broke on the song charts there, so I'm a much-converted ABBA fan.
Well, that's all for now...oh, I should be able to start announing the return of my website soon! Watch this space for further developments. :)
Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, June 4, 2000 12:09:34 PM
IP: m142.ieway.com
Sorry for the double post!
S- Actually, I have a little bit of Clandestine part 2 that I never have time to work on, and I just started on one last night (got inspired, hey)which is working under the title Full Metal Condor. It's gonna be a crossover fic, I think. And if anyone can guess the cross they win a prize! :)
Oh, and Hope's technically the oldest but she and Caspian are twins. :D
Lady Foxglove - [Fox7glove]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 11:22:24 AM
IP: spider-mtc-tc014.proxy.aol.com
Jannie-As a southerner, on at least 80% of those I have to say:
True, True!
hehe, especially the "unsweetened tea" (sugar on the TABLE?!!? why isn't it in my drink! :)
Lady Foxglove - [Fox7glove@aol.com]
FL
Sunday, June 4, 2000 11:16:58 AM
IP: spider-mtc-tc014.proxy.aol.com
A little Sunday morning humor:
Things you won't hear said in the south:
40. "Oh I just couldn't, hell, she's only sixteen."
39. "I'll take Shakespeare for 1000, Alex"
38. Duct tape won't fix that.
37. Lisa Marie was lucky to catch Michael.
36. Come to think of it, I'll have a Heineken.
35. We don't keep firearms in this house.
34. Has anybody seen the sideburns trimmer?
33. You can't feed that to the dog.
32. I thought Graceland was tacky.
31. No kids in the back of the pickup, it's just
not safe.
30. Wrasslin's fake.
29. Honey, did you mail that donation to
Greenpeace?
28. We're vegetarians.
27. Do you think my gut is too big?
26. I'll have grapefruit and grapes instead of
biscuits and gravy.
25. Honey, we don't need another dog.
24. Who's Richard Petty?
23. Give me the small bag of pork rinds.
22. Too many deer heads detract from the decor.
21. Spittin is such a nasty habit.
20. I just couldn't find a thing at Wal-Mart today.
19. Trim the fat off that steak.
18. Cappuccino tastes better than espresso.
17. The tires on that truck are too big.
16. I'll have the arugula and radicchio salad.
15. I've got it all on the C drive.
14. Unsweetened tea tastes better.
13. Would you like your fish poached or broiled?
12. My fiancee, Bobbie Jo, is registered at
Tiffany's.
11. I've got two cases of Zima for the Super Bowl.
10. Little Debbie snack cakes have too many fat
grams.
9. Checkmate.
8. She's too young to be wearing a bikini.
7. Does the salad bar have bean sprouts?
6. Hey, here's an episode of "Hee Haw" that we
haven't seen.
5. I don't have a favorite college team.
4. Be sure to bring my salad dressing on the side.
3. I believe you cooked those green beans too long.
2. Those shorts ought to be a little longer, Darla.
1. "Nope, no more for me. I'm drivin tonight."
Jannie
Sunday, June 4, 2000 11:02:35 AM
IP: 209-144-251-32.hou.port.mytelco.com
*Emambu staggers in, and checks his sanity at the door. Before he has time to react, Warpmind runs up to with a weird looking vacuum and proceeds to suck out all his neural pathways. The task complete, Emambu, steps in line with the other member of the CR chanting, "Gargoyles! Gargoyles! Gargoyles..."
Seriously though, Thanks to everyone for the welcome. Brooklyn, I tried to post last night but AOL kept telling me that the site was down. Oh well, seems to be working now.
Rodlox: Unfortunately, I have no idea how to answer your question. My only guess might be that a gargoyle with those features could be the offspring of two phyiscally different parents. For example, and this is purely hypothetical, if Ariana and Taurus (ok, his head was more bull-like, but you get the picture :)) had a child. Then again, I think I heard somewhere that Gargoyle offspring don't have to resemble their parents in any way (I don't recall seeing any older Gargoyle that might resemble Lexington for example).
Lady Foxglove: I didn't get a chance to say this in my last post, but your artwork in the latest Timedancer episode looked very good.
*sigh* and now, following along the lines of a typical newbie, I must ask: What is this RP that some of you write from time to time? Again, thanks for the welcome,
---Emambu
Emambu - [ErikMambu@aol.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Sunday, June 4, 2000 10:46:53 AM
IP: spider-wo054.proxy.aol.com
D&D and other 80s cartoons> Actually Gasper, D&D started in 1983, which was around the rise of cartoons in that era. Transformers started in 84, and I believe G.I. Joe started in 84 also.
Todd> Thanks, I've been wondering how to pronounce Ys myself for a while.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 10:31:52 AM
IP: dialin-10-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net
Wilek Nereus>First, thanks for the praise. I'm not directly taking commissions, but if someone got an idea for a Gargoyles cartoon, he/she can write me a mail. If it's possible to draw this joke as a cartoon (it's possible in more than 90% of all cases, so the chances are quite good), I will probably do so.
Michael Heitz
Sunday, June 4, 2000 10:15:35 AM
IP: stu1id1a.ip.tesion.net
RODLOX - Ys is pronounced like the "ice" part of the word "justice".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, June 4, 2000 07:43:25 AM
IP: 216.87.46.90.dialup-stl.primary.net
Let's see. D&D> I admit, I thought it was okay, but I didn't think it was THAT great of a show. That was actually around the Beginning of the decline of Sat. Morning cartoons. Now, Captain N, that was a good cartoon, but I was a big nintendo fan. Sometimes even wish I could see the Final Fantasy Episode again someday. Plus, I like how they kept the same character design from the Super Mario Super Show's Zelda cartoons, and put it in Capt. N. Made for nice transition. Also, those Zelda Cartoons were good too.
Though you still can't beat Transformers, and GI Joe, and *Cringes* Rainbow Brite. *Falls over.* Secret admission. But hey, it was on back when I was like 5, so I watched it. Anyway, now that I've admitted a dark sin of my past....ach.
Other rants and raves: I need my paycheck soon. Since I work for the College, and it's a state school, paperwork takes 3 YEARS to process (Slight Exaggeration). Since it's holding me up...it's holding up my plans for a lot of things, including those new Future Trunks Video's, and my PSX with Castlevania, SOTN. GRRR....
Not much else to say. Hope everyone else has a good weekend. I think mine will be.
Anyway, on with the RP..
***Begin RP, The 10 Saga***
Gasper had landed at his ship, which had stayed largely untouched, save for a few area animals that sought refuge from the sun. Unlocking the ramp, he made his way in, and started the ship's systems up to full capacity. Turning, he went to the main computer and began working.
"Storm, track all transmissions on this comlink frequency, and load up all scouter data for Archival purposes. Next, replay the message that was broadcast by that lady, uh....4. Find her position, I know it's on the continent. Also, give me open access to LOF comm Frequency." The ships computer started it's task. The Dragoon went to the Holoviewer, and began his message.
"To the LOF, I'm in a closer proximity to where #4 is, and I believe I can take her out. Do not, I repeat, do not try to follow me. We don't need anyone getting hurt, and I know you all have other assignments. I'll report in after the battle....hopefully.....This is Gasper S. Keltner, signing off." With that, he pressed a button, and it was transmitted. Turning, the computer had finished it's calculations, and triangulated the point where 4 had landed. Heading off to the cockpit, he flipped some switches, and slowly, the Stormrunner rose into the air on Repulsorlifts, and lifted off into the sky. Pulling back on teh throttle, he made his way to the crash site, and the upcoming battle that started to fill him with dread...
***END RP***
Gasper - [Gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Sunday, June 4, 2000 03:18:29 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4
**BfT Saga**
Rodlox and Jason were standing next to each other, yet each saw something utterly different on the Plane of Thought. Jason was seeing something. Rodlox was not.
“Don’t your kind think?”
“Yes,” answered Rodlox, taking no offense at the question. “But for a thought to be externalized on any Plane, one must be even a tiny piece psi-capable, even if only for recieving. We grendels are inert psionically -- a usefull defense against the bothersome fay.”
**end BfT Saga**
Brooklyn: <<What's your opinion on the free standing muttonchops thing I posted?>> Jackal’s muttonchops looking like Brooklyn, then i sayd that we should see just how quickly the garg shaves himself!
Toman: << which was in Season Two of Pendragon, and dealt with the lost city of Ys from Breton folklore rather than with Atlantis (since both Atlantis and Ys were destroyed by flooding, it's a natural mistake). >> oh...bad pun, bad pun!! {glad to have helped you teach the CR about Ys {how exactly _is_ that pronounced, anyway??}.
DPH: <<Today's episode showed how stupid the villain was. He should have let them go home and his problems would have been gone.>> ahh, but had he done that, the show would’ve beeen over!
Christine: <<okay, it should all be sorted out now! e-mail is working again (the thing about the sabledrake address is that it's automatically routed to the eskino address, so when eskimo's down, they're both out!). >> well....that just stinks. you can be sure you’ll be hearing from my muses for this! :)
<<You should have had a reply from me by now.>> got it and replied. {nice to know i’m the 1st in asking _that_ question....or am i?}. :)
<<Patrick > Crzy may not be paying attention in here, but I heard you! ::snicker:: You're gonna be so cuuuuute! ; ) >> ::starts playing JAWS muzic::
Niamhgold: <<BTW--great story!>> um...which one?
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Sunday, June 4, 2000 02:48:27 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Sorry for taking so long to reply, I was in the process of moving into a new apartment, of which I am fairly well established now. Anyway, I would like to apologize for the Goliath vs Brooklyn thing. I have ralized I have been a bit too..over-enthusiastic about my point of view, and kind of rude. Sorry. I'm doing this because one of my friends pointed out to me how I can be when I believe something strongly. We got into an argument over, believe it or not, shoes. She said something were sneakers and I said they weren't, after I went on and on about how they weren't made with regular sneaker material and what-not she finally convinced me I might be wrong. Okay, I'll start babbling about that, it's not important. Once again, I'm sorry a thousand times ten. I'll try not to do it again. 'Kay?
Lady Foxglove--> Hey! You! I read your fan fiction stories. I 'loved' "Anniversary". I have a question... Are you going to write anymore stories about Goliath and Elisa's kids? What was the oldest one's name?
S
Sunday, June 4, 2000 02:39:21 AM
IP: ip190.tacoma18.wa.pub-ip.psi.net
*Winterwolf appears in the CR.*
Rodlox> Don't you want to add to the Battle for Technology Saga RP? You and Jason could check out the plane of thought a potential Grendel paradise. :)
DPH> <give an explanation why being 'gifted' is not always a good thing> No, not for me. You should give one to Jason Filler. ;)
Niamhgold> Thanks for the email. I'll be sending more email your way soon. ^_^
Christine> I really liked "Waterfight". <you chose GURPS> Well you've played more RPGs than I have so I respect your selection. Thanks. Maybe I'll get to check it out someday.
Spike> Stone Bikini. All I can say right now is Wow! :)
Janine> <wing stats> That's great news! I'll be sure to ask you about it tomorrow. <contacts> Glad I caught up with you online. Thanks for the email. Well I know you're having a good time now. Catch you later.
Shadowrider> I'll be sure to check out your fanfic. <three hours> Sounds like DC was fighting with you for a while on that.
******WARNING RP BFTS******
"We will visit the plane of thought. Anything that you want to do there requires mental projection. It is the best place to enhance mental ability. It's rumored that if a being stayed there long enough they would develop natural mental powers." Winterwolf said in answer to Rodlox's question.
"I want to go but what about DPH? He said he was coming back here and to watch over the place." Jason stated.
"It does sound like an interesting place. Is it dangerous?" Rodlox asked.
Winterwolf replies, "If DPH or anyone else gets here we'll return here immediately. As for danger, well nowhere is entirely safe at least that I know of." After a pause he adds, "On my way in I saw the paper had been delivered. There's been a large robbery in the area."
Jason asks to see the paper. After reading through the article he says, "This looks like the Speed Stars work."
Puzzled by Jason's remark Roldlox inquires, "I thought they were just a bike gang."
"I may have said that they were, but they were too heavily armed the time I met them."
Jason nods explaining, "They want to appear as nothing more than a gang but they are much more." Jason told them all that he knew which wasn't very much.
Winterwolf wonders how much longer DPH will be away and announces, "Let me see what DPH is up to before I open a gateway to the plane of thought. One of us should remain here at all times anyway." Winterwolf takes the cell phone and contacts DPH. He explains all of the current events not leaving out a single detail. He also learns that DPH will be getting home soon.
******END WARNING RP BFTS******
Gside> And the moral is... moral number 6. It's easy to be brave from a safe distance. :D If you want to spin the wheel regularly check it out at http://www.animaniacs.com/activities.html
Who want's to be my new special friend? ;)
Good Night Everybody!
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, June 4, 2000 02:03:35 AM
IP: dialup-209.244.100.109.newyork2.level3.net
Odd, I couldn't get to most of Wyvernweb until recently, but it doesn't seem like many people had as much of a problem.
Cyborg> First of all, many , many well wishes for your family.
<<I meant, with that e- mail remark, that I have not yet figured out how to e- mail someone from my computer>>: That should be my bad, not seeing the juxtaposition of problemm and solution. But have you heard of pine? It's a neat little email client that is basically standard with every UNIX based system (along with emacs, vi, ed, and the list goes on). Though I never had to configure it for an address.
Winterwolf> <<It's that time again!>>: Wheel of Morality turn, turn, turn. Tell us the lesson that we should learn.
Daniel Johnson> <<Yes, I am nuts>>: Is that my cue again?
Niamhgold> <<it came down to pi being the basis of our existence>>: I can prove the fundamental assymetry of the universe. Quite easily, too. And I'm pretty sure it holds some nice correlaries that help quantum physics and molecrlar sturctures make more sense.
Shadowrider> <<What is six-graders age?>>: Around 11. Here, you add five to the grade level to get the age (I seem to remembe that some countires diminish grade number as you advance).
DPH> <<**D & D Comments** For some reason, this animation definitely looks 80ish, although I can't quite put my finger on it>>: There is a very good reason for that. It is a rebroadcast 80's cartoon, most likely to get semi-free advertising for the upcoming, unrelated (I do believe) D&D movie.
<<1+1<2=1 <- how many ways can this statement be interperted>>: I'd say that you condensed two different statements into one line: "1+1<2" and "2=1"
Gunjack's back, and it's Sunday, so that means it's time for Moxy Fru:vous. Alcohol or weaponry? Jockey Full of Burbon is on my laptop, The Gulf War Song is actually anti-fighting, I do like The Drinking Song, but he did ask for Michigan Militia, so that's what's up.
Oh, and to continue with the Latin, I offer this challenge: Evoles ut ira breve nefas sit; regna.
You do not actually need a dictionary, teh secret is in "lasrever"
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, June 4, 2000 01:36:25 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
was it just me...or did this room suffer another bit of _blocked_time_? {aka, "this site does not have a DNS server/address"}.
Rodlox
Sunday, June 4, 2000 12:52:36 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
another minor question for the garg anatomy fans:
how would you describe a gargoyle who's head was somewhere between Brooklyn's beak and a cow's muzzle?
thanks.
Rodlox
Saturday, June 3, 2000 11:28:42 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Matthew> "Pendragon" is in edits as we speak, and we're still planning for "Gargoyles", but I can assure you that they'll be worth the wait.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 11:05:48 PM
IP: dialin-549-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net
*A shrill whistleing noise is heard somewhere above the CR, accompanied by the faint strains of an illegal mp3 copy of "Whisky in the Jar". Moments latter, a large Comfy Chair (tm) crashes through the roof, holding a sleepy Valentine and a boombox*
Well, looky here! I'm back! :D Seems I've got a week before I leave for good, so I've got some time to burn between cramming for the ACT and DMing a thief tournement... So I'll try to get a post in tomorrow...
Have a nice night!
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.comm]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 10:24:45 PM
IP: nas-49-2.dallas.navipath.net
Card Captor Sakura/Card Captors>> It's anime, so I'm gonna watch it. I don't kow much about the show but from what I hear, the bare bones of it is that the title character, Sakura, has to recover a bunch of magic cards that escaped from a book. I don't know what kind of powers the cards have, if they bring forth monsters that need to be tamed, or whatever. I can't wait for the preview/premiere/whatever.
And just when are Gargoyles and Pendragon going to have their respective season premieres? I think the searches for the remaining Treasures(like the one that was in the sunken city) would be good for some episodes of Pendragon, and as for Gargoyles, wherever our heroes go, there's bound to be evil to fight. As evidence I present the Avalon World Tour where Goliath, Elisa, Angela, and Bronx ran into trouble at every stop.
**RP- THE TEN SAGA**
Dragon Warrior was preparing to head for #4's location. The previous day he had handily defeated The Crunchers, whose powered armor, while a tough nut for the police to crack, was far inferior to his. This day he had a far more important mission: To save the world once again. He had checked his armor's systems twice, but he had time for one more repetition.
[Power cells at 100%, suit seals confirmed," he said out loud [Energy wave-guides, fully functional, thrust boosters online. Time to hit the skies. DRAGON WING: ENGAGE!]
The platform Dragon Warrior was on rose toward a device attache to a rail along the ceiling. He locked into it horizontal, the device closing around him, taking the form of a flying wing. Boosters ignited and it rocketed along a channel and out a pair of doors which closed behind him. And aboard the Dragon Wing, Dragon Warrior flew towards #4's location at Mach 2.
Matthew - [matts1@bellatlantic.net]
New City, NY, USA
Saturday, June 3, 2000 10:12:17 PM
IP: adsl-151-202-112-159.bellatlantic.net
Hi everyone thought I'd try out a different picture.
Wing Stats> The springs will work I just need bigger ones. I'll have pictures up in about two or three weeks.(I can use my grandfathers scanner then 'cause he'll be in another state:)) *grins evily*
Winterwolf> Thanks for adding me. You are now on my list of contacts. I also e-mailed you.
Green Baron> I'll be on and off line all day so maybe I'll catch you.
Well gotta go get this chlorine off my bod See ya'll later.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 08:14:03 PM
IP: phx-215.treknet.net
Hey guys
This will be my last post for about five days!!
So here are a few responses.
<Rodlox>
All I intended to do was read it and delete it.
What's your opinion on the free standing muttonchops
thing I posted?
<Winterwolf>
Sorry about the page! Don't wanna rush anything!
I think you're right and I qoute(from you) " Slow and steady wins the
race" end quote
Do you have any fics?
<Janine>
How dem wings comin'?
<FireStorm>
Gotta find that picture and I'll email it to you
<Emambu>
Welcome once again!
Stay and leave a post!
Anybody that needs to say something to me email me I'll get back to you.That's it for five days!!!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 07:46:49 PM
IP: usr74.cqc.com
<Shadowrider enters; he looks tired, but happy and...he wears a black battlesuit; it is a bit battered, and on its chest plate there are four tears that seem caused by claws...>
To everyone interested:> A shameless announcement: I finally finished and posted my fanfic. I was needed three hours of attempts to post it successfully...but now it is in the Archive! The title is "The Test". Well...I'll wait for some feedback, if anyone will read it. Be sincere...I'm very slow in taking offence.
Niamhgold:> I got it. Sorry for resending you another email, but your one arrived as I was writing...In the end, I posted the story in HTML (you can do it in Word)...in .txt there was no way to post it corectly...
All right...I need a bit sleep now, so I say goodnight.
Ciao a tutti!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Saturday, June 3, 2000 06:52:39 PM
IP: h213-16-109.mi2.albacom.net
Gasper> Yep, CardCaptor is Card Captor Sakura.Though I have the feeling that they arent going to do such a great job on it...*reminds herself to get the rest of the fansubbes*
Bronx - [BronxWyvern4@aol.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 06:23:14 PM
IP: spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com
GASPER - I happen to have fond memories of the "Dungeons & Dragons" cartoon show from the 80's, myself, and don't consider it that poorly done.
NIAMHGOLD - The story that you're looking for is "The Downfall", and is in Season Two of "Timedancer". The story that Rodlox mentioned is "The Drowned City", which was in Season Two of Pendragon, and dealt with the lost city of Ys from Breton folklore rather than with Atlantis (since both Atlantis and Ys were destroyed by flooding, it's a natural mistake).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, June 3, 2000 06:21:11 PM
IP: 216.87.46.114.dialup-stl.primary.net
That kids series on Fox, about the kids who go to the D&D world from a roller coaster? Ya know what....that's an OLD show. Because I remember watching it back when I played with Transformers and such. I give it about 87-88 on the year it was made. Funny how they hype it....it was never that Great or popular.
I saw they have some kind of Card Captors thing coming up. Is that Card Captors Sakura? I know the name sounds familiar, and it does look a little interesting.
***RP News***
Coming up soon with an RP. Will be landing within a five mile radius of #4 very soon, and engaging in battle. Might need some help. Will write up the RP tonight. If she's 225K, I don't have a chance, so teaming up would be nice. I'll leave it open.
***End RPnews***
Yeah, S8.org was going offline for some reason, because I couldn't log in. Well, later all.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Saturday, June 3, 2000 06:09:31 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
Niamhgold: there is one...oddly enough, it's archived at TGS Gargoyles {as opposed to TGS TimeDancer}. {'the Sunken City' i think it's called}.
...ya know, your question reminded me of when i asked where the _The Art Of War_ ep of TimeDancer went. ::)
Rodlox
Saturday, June 3, 2000 05:05:19 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
** Niamhgold wanders in **
Shadowrider: Got your e-mail...now check for mine! ;)
Lady Foxglove: You make T-shirts? That sounds so fun! And, I might have to take you up on one of those commissions! Do you have a webpage for your work? Ringling college is a great school--I looked at that as one of my choices. But, it was a little too far away, unfortunately :( Have a fun weekend!
Hey, does anyone know the TD ep about Atlantis? I never caught it, didn't know there was one, until someone here brought it up. One of my future stories is going to deal with Atlantis, and I don't want to post it and then find that it's *really* close to a story already written. Thanks!
Winterwolf: Check your e-mail, too!
Adios!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 04:50:59 PM
IP: lac-flex208.ncia.net
*Lady Foxglove and Jerry the Giant Telepathic Rat return to the CR, Fox a little darker and Jerry shaking sand out of his fur*
-love the beach :)
Doug and Kit-<<Lady Foxglove: Thanks for posting and telling us about the pics. They are excellent. Congrats on the T-shirt job. You know, Kit and I might like some shirts with that "Brooklyn in the grass" pic or the "Brooklyn angel" one. Can you take mail orders, and if so, how much would they cost? We're size L and M, respectively. >>
Ummmmm....unfortunately I only do art at my job, and am not in charge of actually making the shirts, also, my Brooklyn in the grass pic was done in RGB colors, where in screenprinting we do artwork in a mode called Spot Color, where each color is on a seperate layer in of the image and each color is printed seperately as a screen. It's kind of hard to explain, but to seperate an image like that from RGB to Spot Color is excessively difficult. Sorry. =( However, if you want you can email me for a larger image that you can download and possibly print on heat transfers. :)
Daniel Johnson-<<Lady Foxglove:
Queen of rats, huh? Rats are fine. Especially giant telepathic ones. Just as long as you don't have anything to do with squirrels. Squirrels are the servants of the Devil. Evil rodents.
Wonderful pictures, BTW. :) Yes, I am nuts.>>
Nuts? hardly. I'll let Jerry handle this one-
*Jerry get up on his giant soapbox and telepathically addresses Daniel*
~Squirrels ARE an aberration on the noble line of rats, the fluffy-tailed demon-spawn have been a plague upon ratkind for years and their underhanded tactics have let people see them as cute and adorable disney stock while WE always look mean and are reduced to cameos skittering across dirty streets or dungeons.~ *end rant*
Wilek- *Jerry just walks over and slurps ya* ;)
Niamhgold-<<Lady Foxglove: And she makes an appearance at last--and comes back as a _wonderful_ artist (although your work always *was* great :)) How's life treatin' ya?>>
Well, I'm still with my boy, going to Ringling School of Art and Design in the fall, and do artwork at Cotton Pickin' Tee Shirts. My life be good, but free time is purdy low, 'ats why I've been really, REALLY neglectful of my fics (I haven't quit, really!) but I allus have time for da art. Which reminds me-
COMMISIONS- I'm going into Ringling, like I said, as an Illustration major. So if you need some illustratin' send me an email and tell me of your character/story. I need practice more than $$ at the moment so it's FREE! :)
*shameless plug done*
Geez, I'm gonna hafta start coming in and commenting again. :)
*Lady Foxglove leaves Jerry to take commments while she goes out to the beach again*
ps-click my name for my workplace! :D
Lady Foxglove, Queen of Rats - [Fox7glove@aol.com]
FL
Saturday, June 3, 2000 04:19:32 PM
IP: spider-tj031.proxy.aol.com
**RP RELATED**
Winterwolf, do I need to give an explanation why being 'gifted' is not always a good thing?
Oh yea, the file that holds the archive of the BFTS RP has changed names. Please note the change by observing my URL.
**END RP RELATED**
**D & D Comments**
For some reason, this animation definitely looks 80ish, although I can't quite put my finger on it. Today's episode showed how stupid the villain was. He should have let them go home and his problems would have been gone. So either this episode was done too soon, or the writers of this series really dumbed it done.
**END D & D Comments**
**FLINT Comments**
Is this series turning into a near Pokemon clone? Every week they have to capture another 'time shifter'. Sheash.
**END FLINT Comments**
Welcome to the CR all newcomers. Remember only insane people post here. hehehe
1+1<2=1 <- how many ways can this statement be interperted? (Just letting my math side get on from time to time)
Gargoyle evolution: Gargoyles came before humans which came before Fey. Wowsers. Talk about making the earth older. Just think about this: humans would not know about magic until the Fey arrived on the scene using magic. Surely, the Fey were not born with the knowledge of magic. So did humans learn to use magic on their own or did some fey teach it to humans?
**BFTS RP**
Plastique Saber was still driving DPH's car.
"Well, what do you think of my car?" said DPH.
"Hmm. It handles great. So how fast can your car go?" asked Plastique Saber.
"In theory, 450 mph. But I have to work on a spell to help the driver and the passengers handle the extra speeds." said DPH.
"Hmm. How well do you do magic?" ased Plastique.
"I consider myself intermediary - not an expert or a novice. So how did your discover your 'gift'?" asked DPH.
"Umm. no comment. and you?" replied Plastique.
"No comment, although at times my gift is hard to control." said DPH.
"I can imagine. I'm glad that the world at large doesn't know of the existance of mutants." said Plastique.
"I agree. As much problems as ethnic minorities are still having, I don't think the world is ready for mutants, yet." replied DPH.
"ITAG does a big job of making sure things stay that way." said Plastique.
"Yes, it does. But you can't keep hiding the truth forever. Someday, the world will learn the truth." said DPH.
"ITAG monitors the media to keep things in chec. But you're right, sooner or later the world will learn the truth." said Plastique.
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 03:51:18 PM
IP: max1-14.cwy.cei.net
Rodlox > okay, it should all be sorted out now! e-mail is working again (the thing about the sabledrake address is that it's automatically routed to the eskino address, so when eskimo's down, they're both out!). You should have had a reply from me by now.
Green Baron > I always appreciate the info; whether I use it correctly or not is another story! ; ) I'm sure when you read/listen to the book, you'll be able to tell me where I put my foot in it.
Winterwolf > well, I think GURPS is the best system but I've been playing pretty much nothing else since around 1988 ... so I am not at all conversant with what else is out there. In earlier years, I played AD&D, Champions, V&V, Traveller 2300, ElfQuest, and Vampire: The Masquerade. But I have been most comfortable and happy with GURPS.
Patrick > Crzy may not be paying attention in here, but I heard you! ::snicker:: You're gonna be so cuuuuute! ; )
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 03:44:51 PM
IP: 14-071.009.popsite.net
<enters waving hands>
Lady Foxglove:> Glad to meet you. Again, congratulations for that picture of Brooklyn in the grass, it was very intense.
Doug & Kit:> Congts for that car...as Coyote said, Volvo are eternal, so I think you did a very good purchase.
Racer X:> I probably missed you in the last days posts. Well, you've already been welcomed...and I guess your sanity has already been taken care of...so you'll surely stay well...;)
Spacebabie:> LOL! Those historical mistakes were out-of-mind. What is six-graders age? (I don't know exactly American scholar system, so I'm trying to find the equivalent...)
Emambu:> Welcome here! I'm sure you'll feel great into this asy...er...comment room. ;)
AvMists:> Great issue! I loved that picture of Sata in swimsuit (I couldn't stop watching it for a ten minutes...) and Michael Heitz's cartoons are funny as usual! I still have to read all of the issue, but up to now it is really great!
Winterwolf:> I'll leave in 21 of June...eighteen days from now. I'm sorry that you feel sad for it...but I'll peek in here every now and then as I'll have the chance...and one year is not too much.
Niamhgold:> If you didn't before, check your email. (sorry to harass you, but I think my EM server did something strange yesterday...)
A good weekend to everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Saturday, June 3, 2000 03:40:57 PM
IP: h255-22-232.mi2.albacom.net
** Niamhgold enters after a few days leave **
Sorry it's been a while since I've posted. RL's been a little bit of a nag lately... :)
Rodlox: <Um, do you--perchance--happen to have a copy?> Oops...I think the post where I said the whole humans-from-aliens theory was my "prominent theory" was worded a little incorrectly. What I meant to say was that the theory is my prominent theory _of choice_; I'm not that good at constructing ideas like that :( What happened was I brought it up in my Physics class, we started talking about origins of the universe and the inconceivability of infinity--and somehow it came down to pi being the basis of our existence (I forget who said that)) Sorry! :) BTW--great story!
Lady Foxglove: And she makes an appearance at last--and comes back as a _wonderful_ artist (although your work always *was* great :)) How's life treatin' ya?
Winterwolf: 94 degrees? That's the best weather! And, don't worry--I'm not giving the origins of gargoyles away in my fics :) Heck, it's hard enough to finish *one*. Well, I'm off to respond to your e-mail!
Emambu: Welcome. Watch out for flying bouquets and chocolate execution cake ('cause my B-day's coming up, a day which will loose evil chocolate upon the entire human race!) And, oh yeah--check your sanity at the door. |:P
I'm off to go outside (beautiful day!)
Oh, yeah--Av mists was awesome! I agree--it's the best yet!
Adios!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 01:43:44 PM
IP: lac-flex67.ncia.net
Hey boys and goyles... only 62 days left until G2K.
A couple items I had to mail order finally arrived yesterday, so I got to try on the major part of my masquerade costume for the first time last night. Just a couple small alterations and tweaks and I will be set. :: looks around to see if Crzy is listening and giggles ::
Rodlox > The TGS eps you're looking for would be "Re-emergence," a three-parter from the end of season two.
Avalon Mists > Micheal Heitz's cartoons are always excellent. His work (to me) is reminiscent in style and comedic quality of that of Duck Edwing and Sergio Aragones, both longtime contributors to MAD Magazine.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, June 3, 2000 11:05:50 AM
IP: ac9aefc6.ipt.aol.com
*delurks for a moment*
Welcome Emambu, please leave your sanity at the door and fasten your seatbelt =)
*sits back in her chair and presses the lurk button again*
Bronx - [BronxWyvern4@aol.com]
Saturday, June 3, 2000 11:03:23 AM
IP: spider-mtc-tc021.proxy.aol.com
Small Question:
which TGS ep had Brooklyn&co traveling the world in search of more Clans?
hint: it was thanks to Xanatos that it was possible.
{i know it's in there...just can't recall the name}.
Rodlox
Saturday, June 3, 2000 09:31:02 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
....
IT WORKS!!!
Warpmind, Cyborg: no arms or legs, eh? okay, do you have prehensile tongue or tail?
Rodlox
Saturday, June 3, 2000 09:23:53 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Thought I'd check out this color. :)
Wilek: <smiles> We like that Senor Burns song too. Thanks for reminding us of it. :)
Coyote: 158,000 or thereabouts, and about 35-40 mpg (the odometer is not working, so we can't know for sure. Monday we're getting it fixed). Thanks for your encouragement and concern.
All for now, later.
Kitainia
Saturday, June 3, 2000 08:59:20 AM
IP: pool-209-138-160-174.dlls.grid.net
Did anyone else notice that the server was unavailable late last night/early this morning? No DNS entry: maybe a router problem since all of WyvernWeb was affected. Hopefully it's fixed now, because I needed MY fix. :)
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Warpmind:
1a. Latin -- Yep, that would be the one.
1b. Kyrillic [sic] -- no
2. Indian elephant tamers -- ?!?! I've never heard of such a language. Can you tell me where you heard this? 6000 years? The oldest writing systems are about 5000 years old. We can't know what languages were used before then.
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Lady Foxglove:
Queen of rats, huh? Rats are fine. Especially giant telepathic ones. Just as long as you don't have anything to do with squirrels. Squirrels are the servants of the Devil. Evil rodents.
Wonderful pictures, BTW. :) Yes, I am nuts.
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Christine and all the Avalon Mists contributors:
This was indeed the best issue yet. Thank you for doing such a great job! Those pictures were great; I've always been impressed by the level of talent among Garg fans. Michael Heitz's cartoons, as usual, were hilarious. I haven't finished reading all of them yet, but the stories are also excellent.
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Racer X:
Blink. I guess I missed you somewhere. This room can fill up fast. Welcome!
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Rodlox:
The Indus Valley is indeed an interesting civilization. Unfortunately, their language is one of the few known languages that no one has been able to translate at all. It's completely unrelated to any other known language. There's a good article on the Indus Valley in the most recent National Geographic if anyone is interested in such things.
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Emambu:
Another new one! Welcome! Hope you didn't need that sanity.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Saturday, June 3, 2000 06:25:30 AM
IP: ppp-10.rb5.exit109.com
*Winterwolf enters the CR happy to see everyone* ^_^
Hurray! The weekend is here. I had a long day today but now I can relax. Hope everyone is having a good time. I was trying to post earlier around 2AM but I couldn't get in. *sigh*
DPH> <lawnmower> How do manage to get yourself in all these situations? Glad to know you are okay.
Brooklyn> I personally find most of TGS stories excellent! It took a while for me to read them all but I felt that it was well worth it! I don't thanks them enough for all the work that the wonderful TGS staff does! :) <pages> Okay. I just meant that I would start putting it together. I imagine it will take a few revisions. <how's it coming> To borrow from Broadway. "Slow and steady wins the race."
Patrick Toman> <Maybe Brooklyn needs to learn how to check for a pulse> True. There are times when I expect more from Brooklyn. I'd say probably all or most of the time. ^_^
Mecord> <Monday or Tuesday> See you when I see you. ;)
Wilek> <You...are so...evil.> I have my moments. You liked that one didn't you? ^_^ You know what I forgot though... Baloney! ;)
Christine> Thanks for the info. In your opinion what is the best RPG? Is it GURPS? <Anybody in the Everett WA area wanna play?> If only I was a few states closer. :p
Christine and Spike> <Avalon Mists> Awesome stuff as usual! I'll be checking it out more thoroughly later. ^_^
Janine> <earlier around 2AM> Hey you're bored? I'll be your special friend. :) I'll be sending you email in a little while. <Sorry just thinking of the episode where he was stuck in the elevator with Dr. Scratch 'N Sniff.> Don't be sorry. That's where the chopsticks thing came from. ^_^ <I'm addicted to cartoons of all types.> Ditto. I still watch em myself. <timing> Well the email was sent around 2AM. I fell asleep a little while before your email. It was sometime before 3AM. :(
Niamhgold> <Three H's: hazy, hot and humid> Today was a good one for you. At least if you are anywhere near me. It was 94 today. Despite being a winterwolf I enjoy the hot weather. ^_^
Green Baron> <Cleveland> I thought it might have had something to do with The Drew Carrey Show.
Shadowrider> <M.S. was for Military Service> Oh! Silly me. That reminds me, when are you heading out? :( *Winterwolf looks sad. His head shoulders and tail hang low expressing the loss he knows he'll feel.* <My name is Marco> Yeah. I do remember you mentioning this once before. It was when you were talking about how your mom worried about you riding around on your bike everywhere. <Janine's wing creation> I think most of the people in the CR would love to see Janine's work myself included.
Lady Foxglove> <illustrations> You certainly added some depth with your pictures IMO. :)
Coyote the Bando> <easy assumption to make> Okay. I'll have to reread it now. I thought I read that Celer stopped breathing. Though I have been known to add lines in as I read. It's an overactive imagination issue. I let you what I think the second time around.
Racer X> Welcome to the CR Racer X. Sorry I missed that the first time. I was getting ready for bed at the time. Enjoy your stay. I look forward to reading your future posts. ^_^
It's that time again! Time to see who can eat the most chocolate in the CR? No. It's time for BFTS.
******WARNING BFTS RP STARTING******
At least an hour had passed before Winterwolf made his way back into the house. He looked at Rodlox and Jason. The two of them were talking to each other. Winterwolf waited a moment and they stopped and turned to face him. "I'm sorry Rodlox. I'm sorry Jason. I completely over reacted."
"Jason was explaining what happened to me. Why did you get upset?"
"Well there was three things. First, Jason's been holding back. He could have advanced more quickly if he had just been more honest and didn't spend so much of his energy hiding from his past. Second he is or was a Speed Star. Those goons wanted to kill me and steal my bike for fun! ..."
"I'm not a Speed Star anymore. It's just that I've always seemed on the short end of the stick. The only time I wasn't was with the Speed Stars. Nobody messed with me then."
"What about now? I'm trying to help you. I've been trying to be a friend."
"None of you understand! You aren't human. I don't have any special abilities."
Winterwolf counters saying, "I don't have any either and I am human."
Rodlox and Jason gasp. Jason shakes his head. "No you're not."
"Yes I am. I am cursed to be Winterwolf but behind this cursed form is a simple human who would be happy to just be human."
"Well I'm a grendel. Always have been and I'm staying that way. What was the third reason?"
"The third reason was a mix of my hurt pride that I was beaten so badly and rage as Jason nearly killed me. Jason, If I hadn't left your mind and healed myself my spirit would have left this world."
"I'm sorry too. I was just so angry you kept smacking me around like I was a joke. What do we do now?"
"Well we can start working on a different training technique. We won't fight each other anymore. Now we'll work together as a team. Rodlox you can help too."
"What's involved?" Rodlox asked.
******WARNING BFTS RP ENDING******
Emambu> Welcome to the CR Emambu! It looks like Coyote beat me to the punch here. I won't post an excerpt of the song since it has been done already. Enjoy your stay. ;)
Cyborg> <hospitals and stuff> *Winterwolf offers his support.* I'll pray for both your mom and dad to get well soon.
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Saturday, June 3, 2000 05:31:43 AM
IP: 1cust147.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net
*Warpmind enters.*
Wilek: Well, if we opt for droids, too, I have but one request about them: Magfield antigrav. Trust me, you do NOT want droids that are dependent on solid ground underneath them. ];)
Green Baron: Ooo, I'll read the travesty up for the MiSTing right away. :) Just e-mail me with whatever you need, and I'll reply as soon as fate (and technology) allows. ;)
Coyote: I like your style of vengefulness. Now, if we could only find the means to break the inter-reality barriers in a safe, stable way... ;)
Emambu: Welcome. Prepare to lose your sanity. :) *Warpmind grabs the funky-looking vacuum cleaner and efficiently attends to Emambu's neural pathways, ensuring the operation is painless and accurate.* There, it's done. You're one of us now. :)
Cyborg: Um, I think you missed my point... I wasn't necessarily talking about using a gun; if you have no control of hands or feet, how do you intend to apply poison? Heck, if your only functional joint is the jaw, how on earth can you find the means to commit suicide singlehandedly? (No pun intended.)
Well, 'tis about it, so I better go read the latest Avalon Mists, before going on to the MiSTing deal with the Green Baron. :) See ya.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, June 3, 2000 04:52:26 AM
IP: mp-217-199-139.daxnet.no
*Cyborg enters the room, looks around and finds Sevarius Jr. The two of them sit down at a table. Cyborg bulls out a bottle of whiskey and pours them both doubles.* When it rains, it certainly pours, to risk being hackneyed. The reason for my father's seisure the other night (and his subsequent journey to the hospital) is a brain tumor. Now he and my mother both have cancer. I just got back from visiting him in the hospital, so please excuse my spelling and grammer- it has been a long day.
Warpmind:<And if you're paralyzed from the neck down, I'd like to see you pull a trigger...> There is always poison, which is my perfered means because, even if I am in that position (and I have been), I do not have to ask someone to help me kill myself. Poisons can be gotten simply by the local drug dealer, and doing it myself lets me go out with dignity and pride intact.
Gside(re: e-mail and Linux) I meant, with that e- mail remark, that I have not yet figured out how to e- mail someone from my computer. *embarassed, Cyborg does an impression of a tomato*
Spacebabie (re: numbers one through forty-four) That reminds me of an book of my grandfather's (cira 1887) _English as She is Taught_
*Worried and stressed, Cyborg leaves the room for yet another hospital- for herself in this case.* I really need something new...
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:44:48 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net
Wilek> <<I have something like that, except they look more like a cross between a bat and an iguana>>: Mine was a hampster, but now, the wheel's turning..., but the hampster's dead.
<<you have to admire the sense of humour of whoever named it Good Friday>>: It was good for us (wo do tend to be egocentric, don't we?), as he supposedly died for our sins.
If I may take the time to congratulate all the contributors for a good job on the latest Avalon Mists.
Emambu: Welcome.
<<David Bowie song "Space Oddity>>: This is ground control to Major Tom,/you've really made the grade!/And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear,/now it's time to leave the capsule if you dare
That's coming along sometime too.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:21:08 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
Christine: small question: what's the difference between _Dactyl_ and _Pteradon_? {then again, i might be confusing Pteradactyls with Rhamporicus(sp?)....so i'm probably wrong}.
Wilek: <<gargs and gargbeasts have the same lifespan, whereas humans and chimps don't>> oh goodie, you're using Argument #182...{don't be slighted, it's a good defense!}. humans nowadays have the same lifespan as whales - which are in the Order Cetacea {as opposed to the Primata}....and chimps by and large live in a disease-filled enviroments {not counting the ones in captivity}.
Very Good points though!!
Brooklyn: you _copied_ them?? {memories of the Property debate that went on in here when someone took one of Christine's fics as their own runs through my mind}. be carefull, okay? don't do anything other than read them - preferably in the Archive proper.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:19:03 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Hey guys!
<Winterwolf>
Two quick questions.
1)If I don't send the episodes by mail then how else would
I do it? Just wondering.
2)How is the main page coming?
<Rodlox>
I have copied some of your fics so tomorrow when I have more
time I'll read them.
<Emambu>
Well a fond hello to you too!!
Seriously welcome. I myself have only been here a little over a month. Let me get you started. We've been talking about Garg genetics,garg origins, and basically anything having to do with garg biology.Along with other stuff.
Hope you stay a while. Leave a post I'll get back to you.
That's all for know.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:15:15 PM
IP: usr28.cqc.com
"Ground control to Major Thommes ...
Ground control to Major Thommes ...
Take your protein pill and put your helmet on ..."
Emambu, welcome to the CR, have some cybercookies 'cause ya figured it out! :) **hands over the prize**
"Ground control to Major Thommes ...
Commencing countdown, engines on ...
Main ignition, and may God's love be with you ..."
**blasts off through the ceiling**
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:13:45 PM
IP: 216.28.101.49
Non Sequitor> I saw Six-String Samurai earlier tonight. Weirdest movie ever made...
Avalon Mists> Loved Micheal Heitz' cartoons, as usual (wonder if he takes commissions)...and I really have to dig up some D6s from my old board games and try out the random garg generator...
Rodlox> <<closer than 98% wow...>> :) The main reason he thought it was so close is because gargs and garg beasts have approximately the same lifespan, whereas chimps don't live as long as humans. <<oh so that’s where my pets went! could i have them back please??>> Wish I could get them out to give to you; I've tried everything short of sticking an acid thrower in my mouth and pulling the trigger, and that's not an option for obvious reasons...
Janine> <<Why is a cowlick called a cowlick? Did a cow lick Adam or Eve's head and their hair stayed that way for the rest of their lives or what? Just curious.>> Probably something like that...What worries me is, how did humans learn to milk cows? What could the first human who milked a cow possibly have thought he was doing? O_o' <<Can a gargoyle and a human mate and have offspring?>> Not without assistance from magic or genetic engineering...
Green Baron> <<Paul Nathan's Scissions>> Paul *Allan* Nathans...? o_O
Lady Foxglove> <HUGZ!> Welcome back! :D And congratulations on the job! ^_^
Doug and Kit> <<Moment of silence for great Latin music artist Tito Puente, who died yesterday of heart failure.>> Oh no. :( <moment of silence, then plays Puente's "Señor Burns", one of his favorite songs from The Simpsons, on the CR's MP3 jukebox, then torches an effigy of Mr. Burns in tribute> $<<Sorry about hinting that the Avatar was gonna be destroyed in the RP, we too are glad it's not really going to happen. :)>> No problem; ye had no way of knowing what my twisted little brain had in store for it. >;) $ <<Gubio checked his files and found nothing about the Phantom virus other than what Kyryn mentioned.>> Something tells me that's a good thing. :)
Coyote> <<(Incidentally ... ten cybercookies to whoever can figure out the joke about Maj. Thommes' name)>> I once heard a bit of a song that involved a Major Thommes...sounded rather morbid, actually, which is my kind of thing...
Spacebabie> History tests> <ROTLFMTO>
TD ep> No spoilers, just wanted to say that it was a great story, as usual. ^_^
Wilek Nereus
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:02:09 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com
Coyote: This is a complete stab in the dark, but is Major Thommes' name similar to the one in that David Bowie song "Space Oddity?"
Spacebabie: ROTFL! Nice play on words. :)
To everyone else: this is my first post here, so I'd just like to say a fond hello to all of you.
---Emambu
Emambu - [Erikmambu@aol.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:00:45 PM
IP: spider-wn024.proxy.aol.com
OMG my girls told me the bad news my baby has been kidnapped((I call her the baby since she is the youngest)) guess what. Someone sent me these. They are answers Six graders worte on various history tests around the States. My friend put her comments in parantheseis:Note She is a BIG XPhile so the jab about Duchovny is all good clean fun
1. Ancient Eygpt was inhabited by mummies and they all wrote in
hydraulics. (Perhaps this is why mummies always have tissues).
2. The Eygptians lived in the Sarah dessert. (Nobody does it like Sarah
Lee...)
3. The climate of the Sarah was such that the inhabitants have to live
elsewhere. (No wonder Sarah was barren for so long.)
4. Moses led the Hebrew slaves to the Red Sea where they made unleaved
bread, which is bread made without any ingredients. (I thought that was
Wonder Bread, but there you go.)
5. Moses went up on Mount Cyancide to get the Ten Commandments. (oh God!
Marx was right....religion is the opium of the masses!
6. He died without ever reaching Canada. (For some that might be
considered a good thing.)
7. Solomon had three hundred wives and seven hundred porcupines. (No
wonder he was such a prick.)
8. The Greeks were a highly sculptured people, without them we wouldn't
have history. (Is this what is meant by "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts?)
9. The greeks also had myths. A myth is a female moth. (Moth / Myth;
Man / Womyn. Steinem would be proud.)
10. Socorates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving people
advice. (His proteges include Ann Landers and Dear Abby.)
11. Socorates died from an overdose of wedlock. After his death, his
career suffered a dramatic decline. (Sounds like David Duchovny, but he
is still alive.)
12. In the Olympic Games, Greeks ran races, jumped, hurled biscuits, and
threw the java. (Starbucks anyone?)
13. Julius Caesar extinguished himself on the battlefiedls of Gaul.
(Hey, when you're hot, you're hot.)
14. The Ides of March murderd him because they thought he was going to be
made king. (The Ides of March can be found in the audience of the Jay
Leno show. They work for David Letterman now.)
15. Daying, Caesar gasped out, "Teehee Brutus." (This of course is the
last line from Shakespeare's great play, "A Comedy of Murders.")
16. Joan of Arc was burnt to a steak. (And then was served with a nice
chianti wine at Dr. Lecter's next gathering.)
17. Joan of Arc was then canonized by Bernard Shaw. (The play's the
thing!)
18. Queen Elizabeth was the "Virgin Queen." (Please note, Richard
Branson, owner of all things Virgin, had nothing to do with her.)
19. As a queen she was a success. When Queen Elizabeth exposed herself
before the troops they all shouted, "Hoorah." (I doubt Queen Elizabeth II
would get the same reaction.)
20. It was an age of great inventions and discoveries. Gutenberg
invented the removable type and the Bible. (That's why the parts about
women being equal are missing. They were "removed.")
21. Another important invention was the circulation of blood. (But, as
of yet, blood circulating to the brain has not been invented in men.)
22. Sir Walter is a historical figure who invented cigarettes and started
smoking. (This brings new meaning to the words Peer Pressure.)
23. Sir Francis Drake cicumcised the world with a 100-foot clipper.
(Only a man would think that large.)
24. The greatest writer of the Renaissance was William Shakespeare. He
was born in 1564, supposeately on his birthday. (Scholars have since
discovered he was born two days before his birthday.)
25. Shakespeare never made much money money and is famous only because of
his plays. He wrote tragedies, comedies and hysterectomies, all in
Islamic Pentameter. (Shakespeare, the bard of the barren Sarah.)
26. Romeo and Juliet are an example of a heroic couple. Romeo's last
wish was to be laid by Juliet. (He got his wish.)
27. Delagates from the Orginal 13 states formed the Contented Congress.
(This of course started the pattern of happy politicans and angry voters.)
28. Thomas Jfferson was a virgin. (The only thing virgin around him was
an orginal thought.)
29. Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity by rubbing to cats backwards
and declared "A horse divided against itself can not stand." (It turns
out he didn't use cats. It was two donkeys backwards.)
30. Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead. (Yes, but is he paying
taxes?)
31. Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest precedent. (From him came
Electric shavers.)
32. Lincoln's mother died in infancy. (I see the problem of underage
mothers existed way back in the nineteenth century.)
33. Lincoln ws born in a log cabin which he built with his own hands.
(In-vitro urbanization????)
34. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves by signing the Emasculation
Procalmation. (I guess he couldn't de-man the slaves any more than they
already were.)
35. On the night of April 14, 1865, LIncoln went to the theater and got
shot in his seat by one of the actors in a moving picture show. (Of
course it was a moving picture! Still pictures can't shoot back!)
36. They believe the assassinator was John Wilkes Booth, a supposingly
insane actor. (What else is new?)
37. This ruined Booth's career. (Of course it did. We liked our
president's then.)
38. Johann Bach wrote a great many musical compositions and had a large
number of children. In between he practiced on an older spinster which he
kept up in his attic. (I guess he was unsure of his talents.)
39. Bach died from 1750 until the present. (Talk about your long
deaths.)
40. Bach was the most famous composer in the world and so was Handel. (I
wonder how they Handel-ed the competition.)
41. Handel was half German and half English. He was very large. (Not
really. England and Germany are small countries.)
42. Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf he
wrote really loud music. (And he still couldn't hear it!)
43. Beethoven would take long walks in the forest even when everyone was
calling for him. (He vanted to be left aloan.)
44. Beethoven expired in 1827 and later died for this. (Expired accounts
have heavy penalities you know.)
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, USA
Friday, June 2, 2000 09:53:39 PM
IP: user-37kapgp.dialup.mindspring.com
well, i did promise much earlier to post an interesting theory here later this afternoon....
here [goes]...
perhaps even more so that Athens in the Grecian islands, the Indus Valley civilization was an oddity both among it's neighbors and other civilizations of hte day...
unlike Egypt and Sumer, the Indus people did not bury their dead with large amounts of money and other forms of wealth, instead, they kept the money in circulation.
while there does appear to be evidence of a religion, it seems to take a back seat to the trade and commerce that was the life of their civilization...
the writing system was pictoral, mostly emblems and crests - animal heads and bodies for the most part {like the Unicorn}.
their [Indus Valley] civilization perished due to nomads from the north sweeping down, smashing and wrecking the cities - and then camping alongside their horses at night.
...so, were the Indus people really gargoyles?
{poster's note: that's not a theory i personally subscribe to, but figured that somebody on this list may like it}.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail]
Friday, June 2, 2000 09:28:22 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
To Winterwolf, Doug and Janine thank you for your comments. And thank you to everyone else who commented. I'm sure I might have missed a few of you. I like this room. It is very talkative. Unlike many others I have seen, it also appears to be clean of most fowl topics and language. I am a personality of many. I have decided to post my more intellectual rambles under my current alias, Racer X. And no..I'm not your brother, uncle, or third cousin. *smiles* A little dry humor there. Anyway, thank you all for welcoming me.
Racer X
Friday, June 2, 2000 09:16:22 PM
IP: spider-wj052.proxy.aol.com
Apologies for the double post ...
Winterwolf: It was an easy assumption to make ... from Brooklyn's vantage point it appeared that both Celer and Robbins had caught the blast at nearly point-blank range, I know I would've made the same assumption, considering that the blast threw Celer six feet from where he was before.
Hope this clarifies.
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, June 2, 2000 09:16:05 PM
IP: 216.28.101.49
Just a quickie here ...
Lady Foxglove: You certainly deserve the accolades you're receiving about the art ... and once again I apologize about the e-mail troubles that kept me from critiquing them in the production stages.
Warpmind: Well, actually ... the real life LT did not get any reprimand because it was wartime and they had more important things to worry about (like FUBAR'ing up more intel). Hence the reason why Major Thommes gets a knuckle sandwich hand-delivered to him by Brook at the end ... that's *my* way of taking karmic payback for my dad's situation.
(Incidentally ... ten cybercookies to whoever can figure out the joke about Maj. Thommes' name)
Doug and Kit: Congratulations. The car you've acquired is a fine piece of Swedish engineering that's designed to pretty much last *forever* (unless ya drive it off a cliff or something ... lemme tell ya, I *NEVER* have anyone in my store picking up any major parts for older Volvos, mostly minor maintenance stuff ... oil filters, wiper blades, light bulbs, and even *then* they're few and far between.).
If ya don't mind my asking ... a couple questions about it ... i.e. how many miles on the odometer? And (if you know yet) what kind of gas mileage d'you get out of it? Just curious, 'cause in a long distance sort of way I kinda wanna help ya keep your new family member alive. :)
Oh, and in memoriam of Tito Puente ...
**pulls a CD player out of his impossibly deep pockets, turns on Gloria Estefan's "Mi Tierra" and sambas through the room with Mara before leaving**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, June 2, 2000 08:41:25 PM
IP: 216.28.101.49
<Doug and Kit enter the room dancing the mambo, to the sound of loud drums and singing played by someone invisible. Then they quiet.>
Moment of silence for great Latin music artist Tito Puente, who died yesterday of heart failure. We will miss your voice, even if it lives on in our CDs and tapes. :)
Mecord: $ You didn't intend to blow up the Avatar? Good. :) Hope you and Wilek can get things sorted out with it, we'll leave you to it. :) $
Wilek: $ Sorry about hinting that the Avatar was gonna be destroyed in the RP, we too are glad it's not really going to happen. :) $ Gubio checked his files and found nothing about the Phantom virus other than what Kyryn mentioned. Good that you appear to not have it after all. <sigh of relief>
Lady Foxglove: Thanks for posting and telling us about the pics. They are excellent. Congrats on the T-shirt job. You know, Kit and I might like some shirts with that "Brooklyn in the grass" pic or the "Brooklyn angel" one. Can you take mail orders, and if so, how much would they cost? We're size L and M, respectively.
Other news: Well, guess what, people? We now have a car!! 1982 gray Volvo, runs very well, no major problems. Just got it today. This might mean we can get up to A-Kon tomorrow! :) Hope we can. We also hope to see many CR dwellers there if we go. We're looking forward to it. <grins>
That's all for now, later!
Doug and Kit - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, June 2, 2000 08:27:55 PM
IP: pool-209-138-162-81.dlls.grid.net
*After a very long absence from either comment room, Lady Foxglove reappears for a brief comment*
Timedancer Illos> You like! You really like! =) Geez I feel all happy now, but mosta credit goes ta Don, his fic made me sketch out that pic of Brooklyn in the grass as I read it!
<<would have liked to see close ups of Celer and Robbins>>
Ummm....there was a rough of Robbins helping up a frightened Celer from the grass, but I just couldn't get Celer's character or Robbins anywhere near on model, so it got scrapped. Sorry. :(
More Illos> Ummm....so far I have one for the an upcoming Pendragon ep, but maybe more if ya'll like.
Yet another small blip on Illos, I am now accepting commisions, and the best part is they be FREE, but bear in mind I also have much time dedicated to my job (go t-shirt artists, YEAH!) but if you like, I'll draw! :)
*Lady Foxglove climbs back aboard Jerry the Giant Telepathic Rat and returns to sunny Florida*
Lady Foxglove, Queen of Rats - [Fox7glove@aol.com]
FL
Friday, June 2, 2000 07:21:09 PM
IP: spider-wc012.proxy.aol.com
Janine:> I think you got the right comment. <<You would be amazed at how much I know about Gargoyles.>> I am already, I can assure you :). I'n glad to hear you found a way to proceed with those wings. Do you think you will be able to post a picture of the costumes as they will be ready? I (and not only I) am very curious to see them...
Garg origin: Fays involved? Possible...and interesting. They for sure had a purpose in creating Gargoyles...
Garg/human offsprings: It is a very discussed topic...I think they can, but...
Winterwolf:> <grins> actually, M.S. was for Military Service...(only males are called by draft here...) My name is Marco, you guessed it right, but my family name begins
for P...no problem, anyway...:)
Warpmind:> No problem at all...;)
Green Baron:> Well, Italy is cheaper for sure than U.S.A. for many things...and while in service I have not to pay housing or food...but draft soldiers pay is anyway very low if compared to average pay. As I said, professional soldiers are very better paid (but they are also easily sent in mission in warzones...what will very difficultly happen to me). Special indennities (for example if they send you to presidiate some godforsaken outpost for a couple of weeks) can increase pay of up to 50-60%, but it is usually for short periods...
Anyway, If I had to live (meaning eating, paying a house rent and so on...) with that pay, I probably would not be able to go on...
Ciao!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:56:04 PM
IP: h213-20-100.mi2.albacom.net
Brooklyn: you're welcome...and i could've sworn that i said i sent them. oh well; glad to be able to help you out.
Green Baron: i have themes in my fics? wow, that's news to me! :) {care to tell me?}. btw, i honestly didn't know what sepharitic(sp?) meant...but after that _darn/durn_ puzzle, i didn't feel like taking chances. {sorry}.
as for what my real name and religion is....sorry, no can tell.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:55:27 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Rodlox> Reading some of your themes in your fics and posts, I assumed you were Jewish. I also thought your real name was Anthony Docimo, an Italian name. Sepahrtic is a refernece to soemoen who is Jewish and is form a Medditeranean(sp) country, like Italy or Spain (like SC Justice Benjamin Cardozo). I guess you're not sephartic then, especially if you took the term to be an insult.
Green Baron
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:42:04 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103
Hey guys
Quick posts!
<Winterwolf>
No rush on the main page.Whenever you get it to look right. We don't want to rush in to it. Those tapes I will mail to you.
<RodloxWhy didn't you tell me that you sent me that email on Irish names! I would of thanked you!Thanks that helped a lot! Well you've also helped me w/ my fics situation.I watched that intro again and that has to be someone closely related to Brooklyn( if not his dad!)
<Janine>
email me on those wings! I'd like to here about your progres!
Well that's all for now! I'll drop an evening post!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:31:48 PM
IP: usr135.cqc.com
ps:
Green Baron: <<I never would have guessed your name was Anthony Docimo>> what makes you think that i am he?
{and even if i were, we all need nome de gugeres - they _both_ are mine}.
Rodlox
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:30:42 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Green Baron: <<Are you sephartic?>> WHAT did you call me??
Rodlox
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:19:55 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
...
Anonymous
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:18:18 PM
IP: usr135.cqc.com
RP WARNING!!
**Orlando, FL
The evil INS agent, Doris Meisner is in Spacebabie's house with two goons and they kidnap Spacebabie's cat, Velvet. Before she can found out what has happened, all she can see is a picture of Che Guerva, where Velvet was.
Las Vegas, NV
The Joyride is in a lull with no one fun to kill, but taht changes as Eric Holder and Charlie Rangel gag Warpmind with chlorophorm and take him away, before anyone can notice.
Chappaqua, NY five hours later.
Warpmind awakes to find two cats around him, namely Reverend Attila and Velvet.
"Herrdy, Herrdy. What is going on?"
Hillary Clinton walks out into the dungeon.
"You three shall be forced to read awful fanfics for your punishment. First will be Paul Nathan's Scissions. Enjoy."**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!!
As you have just seen, the Attila MiST series shall feature my cuddly cat, Spacebabie as her cat, Velevt, and Warpmind De Inzane as himself. They were teh only ones to amke requests and they won. I hope you two are ready to read some crappy fics :)
Patrick> Actually, John Law founded New Orleans. It was named after the duc d'Orleans and the cajuns live in the swamps around New Orleans. At least we neever elected an idiot like Kucinich :p
Shadowrdier> Still, how can you live on that low salary?
Benefits must be good, or Italy is a really cheap place to live.
Christine> Torture... :)
I also look forward to reading your AudioBook. Did my religious advice help you?
::sees Xena Trek and pounces on her, then kisses her passionately::
I got good news. I purchased the tickets for Kenna and myself. We should be in Orlando at about 1:45 pm on August 4.
Gasper> I bet its the same Nathans. I wonder if he'll post again in anger from my cat MiSTing him :)
<<Indulgences>> Which ones upset you. The for-profit ones that upset Luther so much, or the current ones?
SOROW> <<I know I'd run up and smack you in the butt :)>>
You knwo where I live :) I thought your brother graduated from the Air Force academy.
I hope Drill Camp went well
Skippy> Well, I was in HS Key Club so I understand that Community Service might be good for Trekkies, but that should be an aside thing, since that is not the prime objective of a Trek club.
Fire Storm> Napoleonic Code is Civil Law, based out of Roman Law. Hanoi Jane entertained the North Vietnamese in the late 60s, and brave souls like John McCain would be beaten if they spoke ill of her.
Assisted Suicide> Well, that would save Social Security :) j/k
But seriously, I think there is a difference between allowing soemone to die and pro-actively killing someone. I beleive it is okay to let one die (in fact, prolonging a suffering soul who is over 80 is IMO torture), but I don't think it is right to proactively kill someone, short of placing a posion in reach of them, as long as it is not ingested into them.
As for my parents, I would have no qualms letting them die painlessly, and with all the grief they give me, a little pain would be okay with me too, especially my father.
I'd rather see Kevorkian's jerk-off attorney Fieger in prison than Kevorkian, though. Hell, let's euthanize Fieger, or kill him painfully :)
Winterwolf> Cleveland is just a fin target. I remember a lot of jokes involving Cleevland-bashin when I was younger.
Gargoyles evolution and Origin> It's a kind of Magic :p
Rodlox> I never would have guessed your name was Anthony Docimo. Are you sephartic?
Now, I'm off. See all of you later.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:07:23 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103
Find the TGS lovelies in the latest issue of AvMists!!
(And please -- no drooling on the keyboard!)
Spike
Friday, June 2, 2000 05:36:03 PM
IP: pppt04-75.ght.iadfw.net
Every mans question. 'nuqDaq Dochvam vilan?'
Question of the Day> Why is a cowlick called a cowlick? Did a cow lick Adam or Eve's head and their hair stayed that way for the rest of their lives or what? Just curious.
Winterwolf><<Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks and
Chopsticks Chop Chop! Repeat the previous sentence at least 3 times. Bye!!>> Wocko is a cool character, for Warner Bros.
Sorry just thinking of the episode where he was stuck in the elevator with Dr. Scratch 'N Sniff. I'm addicted to cartoons of all types.
Wings>They are working so far. I need the springs and then it's off to the fabric store for Demona Blue and Lexington Green.
Gargoyle Topic>I don't think Gargoyles came from outer space I think the fay had a had in things. ODD THOUGHT ALERT: Can a gargoyle and a human mate and have offspring? *dodges fruit*
I'll be online all day and all night and I'm super bored. Please someone e-mail me or msn messenger me!! PLEASE!
K' Love You. B-Bye!
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 04:56:47 PM
IP: phx-235.treknet.net
Christine: well, i sent from Babnol {mine} to your Eskimo account...and when you told me that you didn't get it, then i tried sending it to your Sabledrake addy.
if it still don't work, then nevermint, okay? {nevermind, i ment}.
Rodlox
Friday, June 2, 2000 04:24:44 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
**shameless plug**
new fic by me _Blood Ties_...which uses many of the topics i've raised and participated in while in this CR.
**end shameless plug**
Mecord: <<Were this not the case I would have gotten myself into serious trouble by this time in my life and would probably be in jail for murder (falls under the fighting for dominance instinct) >> or just plain old “he needed killin’” or “he bugged me”
<<Gargoyle genetics>> Well this is all well and good, but what about the Fey?>> ummm......another result of the Garden Of Edicaria? :) {who here can recognize that obscure(?) name?}.
DPH: <<Gargoyle Dog evolution: Bronx being around really muddies the water.>> and makes some [people] wonder just which side of the family Brooklyn gets his beak from. ::)
<<The first war among the fey could have wiped out these other creatures and any existance of them.>> the Fay, the Humans, and - perhaps [not] surprisingly - the Gargoyles.
Toman: <<And the theory in some paleontological circles is that birds evolved from dinosaurs, not vice versa.>> i read a theory like that - it suggested that the therapods were a group of flightless early birds....{thus solving, in a fell swoop, the riddle of why Jurassic Archeopterix structurally resembles Cretaceous Velociraptor and T.rex}.
<<For one thing, we have no trace anywhere in the series of the advanced technology that would have been required to bring them to Earth.>> there used to be an argument against that - only it promoted dinosaur civilization:
fifty to one hundred million years from now, when paleontologists excavate the soil levels at our Present Day, they will find sediments rich in iron and other heavy metals. they will also note the presence of a massive world-wide extinction event. {how much you wanna bet they pin the blame on asteroids?}.
at the K-T boundary, there is a thick layer of irridium...two sources of that are volcanoes and asteroids.
i’m not saying anything definate......just suggesting thought on a geologic scale.
<<Odd thought: is there a reason why they call it the Pheonix Gate, other than the flame?>> um...the decoration? {just a guess}.
<<Hasn't it been proven that lions get their own food (the females at least)?>> they can - and do - hunt...but whenever possible, they prefer to chase other predators away from non-lion-made kills {especially cheetahs - whom everybody pick on}.
<<Again I watched the opening theme and those free standing muttonchops as close as I could tell seem to be similar to the hanging hair of Jackal and Hyena>> well, point that out to Brooklyn, and see how fast he shaves! ::)
<<The very fact that they possess vocal cords capable of speech would make it logical that they do. Or am I just expecting too much out of them? Did they "not need" a language before humans showed up,>> maybe they’re like cranes and other large birds: the primary communication {up-close, anyway} is through dancing and waving the wings.
**RP here - the Ten Saga, aka the Ravens Saga**
The sound of a gun firing distracted the tigers momentarily.
The next sound anyone heard was Roy screaming, one hand clutching his left eye. A thin greyish mist was rising out from his eye-socket. “NOOO!!” he yelled. “Kitties, kill!” he directed the tigers towards the shooter.
“I don’t think so,” a tenor male voice answered. Another gunshot, taking out Roy’s right eye -- and then Roy transformed into a diaphanacous veil which spun around and around, falling into a single spot on the floor - and vanished utterly.
The tigers returned to being kittens of the common housecat.
Roy’s partner threw up his hands - “I’m not one of you!” he screamed fearfully, “I’m mortal - I’m alive!”
“Thanks,” Kit told the shooter. “And you are?”
“Call me Anthony, it’s as good a name as any.” A thought. “Just to be sure he’s mortal, go ahead and beat him up if you choose/want to.”
**END RP....if you guys don’t like that, then just say so, okay?**
<<Are y'all sick of me quoting Greg yet (last time, I promise!)? ;) He said once that gargoyles and gargoyle beasts are slightly more closely related than humans and
chimpanzees, if it helps...>> closer than 98% wow...
{and can you imagine a Gargoyles-Prey crossover?}.
<<I have something like that, except they look more like a cross between a bat and an iguana...annoying little things...>> oh so that’s where my pets went! could i have them back please??
<<I think I read somewhere a speculation that they did once, before meeting humans; this language involved vocal sounds that humans were incapable of making, so once gargoyles and humans started making alliances, it was simpler to speak human languages...>> oh now THAT is a scene i have to try working into a fic....
Gargoyle Ambassador: “[waking-up roar] [deep-throated rumble] [keening].”
Xanatos {asking Owen}: “and i’m supposed to reply in her language??”
<<I'd pay cash money to see the Quarrymen's reaction to *that* bit of news. ;) >> or if they found a clan of gargoyles that looked like biblical angels :) .....oh...the Quarrymen would say {to your point} “no, it was the devil!” {to which i’d ask “did he tell you that himself?”}.
<<Greg has said that gargs evolved first, then humans, then the Fey, and I think he's said they're all native to Earth>> i used to just think “okay, humans evolved, then - through the power of mass belief, _willed_ the gargs and fay into existance {“an accident?” Demona roared}.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 04:15:38 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
The new issue of Avalon Mists is now posted! I can confidently say that this is one of the best ever! Many great pics and fics, cartoons, filks, game rules science, and more! Don't miss the Random Gargoyle Generator, and especially don't miss the Swimsuit Edition!!!
Click or go to http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/avmists/jun00.html
Winterwolf > yep, GURPS is all d6. As for RPGs, if I had the players, I'm dying to start my "Thanedoms of Underearth" campaign. Anybody in the Everett WA area wanna play? ; )
Rodlox > unless you're mailing me under an assumed name, I've still not gotten whatever you're sending ... but then:
E-mail Warning > for the past few days, I have been unable to get online with Eskimo and have had to use Alta Vista. Which works fine _except_ that it won't let me SEND any mail. So I have a big backlog of unsent messages, for those waiting to hear from me.
Lexy > that includes you, hon! I'm not ignoring you, honest!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 04:03:47 PM
IP: nas-16-6.seattle.navipath.net
Cyborg> <<Will he be able to help me figure out how to mail too>>: If he can't, that's not really him. Oh, and you might want to pepper your email with "what the $!@#" (when he is drunk, that becomes his catchphrase). Note number two: check out his stupid quotes at http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~tfarrell/stupid.html
More later.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, June 2, 2000 03:32:07 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
Kyryn> <<Click my name for a link to Norton/Symantec's listing on the "Phantom" Virus. If you are using Norton, you might want to simply download the latest update.>> Thanks. :) I'm using Mcafee (tried to update my definition files there, but their website is like an Escher painting), but this could come in handy. :) <<When the virus is active, the message "The PHANTOM Was HERE-Sorry..." appears. The virus may shift the image to the middle of the screen.>> Hm...I never encountered this message; yet more evidence that my scanner just had some kind of seizure...
Rodlox> <<can you imagine Elisa’s surprise when Goliath starts moulting?>> <LOL> <<<<This looks like a job for the Son’s of Ether, rather than archeologists and biologists.>> for the - who??>> They're a faction from the White Wolf RPG Mage: The Ascension. Eccentric scientists and inventors, mostly. <<nature hasn’t developed living helicopters yet>> Nope. It has something better--hummingbirds. :)
Skippy> <<I heard that the Sith Witch was an early for Phantom Menace. Could be they are bringing it back for #2. As for prequel rumors, the Force.net has a pretty good track record.The also host the Virtual Edition Website, it's a computer composite image story board for the TPM,and they are under way of developing one for Episode Two...>> Interesting...it's been far too long since I've checked that site; I'd probably better get around to it...
Warpmind> <<the Statuette Doorlock; a small niche in which to place a certain statuette (out of a random choice of six different ones, with minor differences in weight). Think "Raiders of the Lost Ark"... ]:)>> <maniacal laughter> <<I don't know if droids are the best solution... maybe some high-effect laser cannons mounted on the video cameras? (After all, we need 100% video coverage of the labyrinth; how else could we have pay-per-view?)>> Perhaps we can use that in addition to the droids (see my post to Cyborg)... :)
Cyborg> <<I think the droids would work best, after all, every good labyrinth needs a minotaur.>> <evil, EVIL grin> You have no idea what you just unleashed...ehheehhehehehahahahahhaha
Heather> <<Geez, why is everytime I go on vacation or a leave for a few days all of the good topics always come up ?>> Murphy's law? :/
Gargoyle line of descent> Greg has said that gargs evolved first, then humans, then the Fey, and I think he's said they're all native to Earth...I once encountered a fanfic, though, that speculated that humans were originally from Mars... =)
Kitainia> <<Doug and I have asked Gubio about your problem. He said nothing came to mind immediately upon hearing the name, but he is going to "check his files." Usually that's a bad sign. Hope the virus really isn't in your machine. :(>> Ah. O_o' Thanks for the help and the well wishes. :) Nothing else has gone wrong since then, thankfully...<<It would really suck for you to have to be posting on a Dreamcast. :(>> Ohhh, yes...their browser does not even work on their own blasted web page... $<<note to Mecord, feel free to blow up the Avatar any time now.>> Um...that's kind of not an option; I have plans for it that'll kick in as soon as the current RP (the whole saga, with Thailog and all) is over...Send an e-mail if you'd really like to know why, as it's a very long, twisted little story. >:) $
DPH> <<I was mowing in a riding lawnmower on a steep slope and the mower flipped on the side. No injuries to me.>> ACK! O_O Glad you came out of that alright...<<Gargoyles as aliens seems plausible. Here's why. There's something about the sun that causes them to turn into stone (I am thinking about Superman's power coming from sunlight).>> Actually...according to Greg, the gargoyle sleep cycle works on an internal timer, much like human sleep, although it happens to be more closely synched with the sun than the human timer...I think this information was used in the Timedancer episode Games Without Frontiers...<<Does bronx have more genetic material in common with gargoyles or human dogs?>> Are y'all sick of me quoting Greg yet (last time, I promise!)? ;) He said once that gargoyles and gargoyle beasts are slightly more closely related than humans and chimpanzees, if it helps...
DJ> <<It's the squirrels in my head, you see. Chewing on my brain. Whispering. I hear them. Scampering.>> I have something like that, except they look more like a cross between a bat and an iguana...annoying little things...<<In fact, oddly enough, the existence of gargoyles could be seen as proof that there is a God who created all life since evolution alone could not explain them.>> I'd pay cash money to see the Quarrymen's reaction to *that* bit of news. ;)
SJ> <<I don't really like the whole "Gargoyles must protect" idea as instinct, at least not to the extent it's carried out. As an animal species, Gargoyles could have an natural instinct to protect their territory, but I think that they've added psychological and cultural reinforcements to stress this behavior.>> I like to think that the whole gargoyle protection kick stems partially from the fact that this is an egg-laying species, and therefore don't have much choice but to have something to protect if they want their species to survive...<<do the Gargoyles have a language? Every gargoyle we've seen in the series always speaks a *human* language, with no hint of one of their own. Do Gargoyles even have a language?>> I think I read somewhere a speculation that they did once, before meeting humans; this language involved vocal sounds that humans were incapable of making, so once gargoyles and humans started making alliances, it was simpler to speak human languages...
Winterwolf> <<If he attacked me I would summon the Warner Brothers to be his special friend, Elmyra to hug him and squeeze when he turns into a monkey or gets his gold fur, Mindy without Buttons to have him save her, Pip Pumphandle everyone just calls me Pip to talk him to insanity and give him an unhealthy dose of Plucky Duck's ego.>> :O You...are so...evil. >:)
Gside> <<Now you're just being kind about my selection. I'm sure some would call my choices tortuous.>> I haven't heard any of them, so I'm in no position to judge; I was merely assuming they were interesting from the reactions they get. :) <<just where did the ka come form fefore the blink?>> I think someone else here did it and it warped my fragile little mind. :) <<I thought all the get-together type stuff was supposed to be done on Sunday.>> True, but I was making note of the fact that both Good Friday and Memorial Day were days where we remember noble sacrifices by unconventional means (really, you have to admire the sense of humour of whoever named it Good Friday). ;)
$Mecord> <<Actually, I never intended to blow up the Avatar.>> You have no idea how relieved I am right now. ;D $
Wilek Nereus
Friday, June 2, 2000 02:50:10 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com
And now it's time for another episode of every day adventures.
Yeah we had a pretty simple plan this morning. We were going to pull the boat out, get it cleaned up and take it for a test ride before it starts to get hot. Well we got up to pull out when we hit the one thing we were not expecting, a sink hole. Yep, an old fiberglass septic tank that was there before we moved in and never used again colaped under the weight of the F-250. So we spent all morning with a floor jack and a come-a-long finally being able to pull it out far enough to use the reverse gear, as all five cats sat on the patio as spectators.
Now I can't go to the lake because I have to go to work. CRAP!
Rodlox- Of course I have a tail, all demons have tails. Now my feet are a different matter. I don't have hooked ankles, but but I do wear a size 14 shoe and could walk on my toes. At least my hair is long enough. Besides I put some moisturizer on it so it's not as red today.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Friday, June 2, 2000 02:30:46 PM
IP: spider-tr032.proxy.aol.com
*Warpmind enters, scowling at Gasper.*
You say my character's stats are excessive? Well, consider this: my character is of a direct bloodline of Avatars of Temperance (for lack of a better term), equipped for interfering on behalf of Mankind at the End of Days - if he's got Artifacts of Power directly from God and the Devil themselves, for the sole purpose of slaying the other side's crack troops, does really 500K sound too much? Now, admittedly, I haven't watched Dragon Ball, but really; these Ultimate Artifacts are, as I said, sealed off until Armageddon is inevitable. Until then, there is no legit (and that means by the divine/infernal treaty of my bloodline) way for my character to get that stash in hand, thus he's stuck down on the aforementioned approximation of 400-500. But by all means, e-mail me with the specifics you'd set as power level standards, and we might be able to work out a more accurate approximation together, eh? :)
Well, the pizza was delicious, and now I'm pretty much so stuffed, I'm getting tired. :) See y'all.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, June 2, 2000 02:29:26 PM
IP: mp-217-204-105.daxnet.no
Not a bad idea on joining with Matt. We are close to eachother's positions, but we need a way to contact eachother, so Matt, I will fly over to 4's, but land about 5 miles out. We'll meet around there. What do you think? let me know, and give me a holler about character stats for youself at gaspersk@hotmail.com
Rodlox-Want to join us, we were supposed to meet sometime anyway.
Warpmind- Hm....500K is a bit high....I'd atleast say you are in the 80-100k levels if you have both the powers of Heaven and Hell at your disposal.
That's all on my end. Matt, looking forward to the following, which I will be more then happy to exchange with you. Put the answers to this in your mail.
1.) Current position your character is at.
2.) Character Stats sheet, as in abilities, description, weapons, powers, etc.
3.) You gonna confront 4 directly? We could be the first line of defense and losing BIG Time when someone shows up to help us.
4.) Anything else you wish to add.
Once you send a mail, I'll get in contact with right away.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Friday, June 2, 2000 01:29:19 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
**Mec glances around the room and can't help but make one more comment.**
Patrick Toman>> I need to make one correction. You see I grew up in Dinosaur Land Vernal, Utah. My mothers best friend is the Dinosaur Museum curator who has made many significant finds in the paleo world, so I tend to get a lot of inside views. But my main point is dinosaur skin. Though we tend to group the whole lot of these creatures as "Dinosaurs" many were not even closely related. There have been impresions of dinosaur skin that is in fact a rough skin and not scaled at all, I belive the most prominent is the Triceratops. Anyway I just had to mention that.
Later.
Mecord
Friday, June 2, 2000 01:21:07 PM
IP: usr57.mtwest.net
Janine>> These wings sound cool, if you can you should put up some pictures when there finished so we can see what they look like.
Human instincts>> We all have impulses or instincts that seem normal and natural to us, but we have to govern those impulses. Some impulses we have to restrain and others we can indulge, while still others need to be limited. Were this not the case I would have gotten myself into serious trouble by this time in my life and would probably be in jail for murder (falls under the fighting for dominance instinct) or I might even be dead. Gee, that was a pleasant thought. :)
Racer X and Holidays>> It's a contradiction to even call Memorial day a holiday isn't it? *shrugs* Every holiday had a meaning once. People tend to loose sight of the meaning. It's good to be reminded of the meanings behind the days off. For my memorial day I attended the dedication of a WWII memorial honoring the three people from our small town who died in that war. There was even room left on the memorial for future wars. A sad acknowledgment to reality that.
Gargoyle genetics>> Well this is all well and good, but what about the Fey? There have been coments about the social and physical similarities between humans and Gargoyles, but where do the Fey factor in. We know that they are a much older race, maybe they had a hand in manipulating evolution? Another question, were they around when dinosaurs were? Could they somehow be related to Humans or Gargoyles or both? Just thought I'd throw that in. Any ideas?
Gasper>> By all means, please jump in the RP. You could even join Matthew since he is near your current position and also preparing to face Miss 4.
Doug and Kit>> $Actually, I never intended to blow up the Avatar. That was Lithanne's idea (she and I don't allways agree, especially where mass destruction is concerned). Unfortunately they just used all the stolen explosives and it did nothing other than destroy the drive system. But events never seem to go as planned when... Well, we'll just have to find out.$
*****RP*****
...Bardic cleared his throat, "Unfortunately I to was hoping you would be able to help those remaining on the Avatar. But I also need to inform you of the Thieves Guild."
Wilek raised an eyebrow, as did Kit and the others for this is the first they had heard about it as well.
"The elves you briefly met a while back, as well as myself and others, are a part of the Thieves Guild who's purpose it is to maintain order by fighting corruption in world powers. We recognise you as a power in this world and wish to strike the beginings of an alience."
Wilek nodded, "And for this allience you propose...?"
"For now, nothing more than a handshake."
Wilek and Bardic shook hands good naturedly.
Bardic stood, "If I may be excused, I believe I need to meet some friends outside."
The dragon in human guise left them to continue thier discussion. Nearly the instant he exited the structure the sands seemed to explod around him, causing the nearby Ravens to dive for their weapons. Then they saw nearly twenty dragons like Bardic and relaxed. Bardic transformed into his dragon self as well and spoke in an unatural language. Five of the dragons morphed into particles of light and flashed away, leaving any observers wondering just what was going on.
Meanwhile on the Avatar.
"I can't believe the station didn't explode," Lithanne was still fuming.
Thicarn listened to the nearby sounds of battle, "That doesn't sound good. You know, since we're all still alive and all, I think we should help, MIB or no."
"That's suicide."
"And blowing up the station wasn't?"
"Oh, all right!" Lithanne pulled a small scroll from her jacket and throw it at her brother, "I've been saving that, but to even use it I'll have to sacrifice my two favorite daggers."
"Hey I know this scroll. You stoll this from... oh, nevermind, let's just get this over with."
*****END RP*****
Niamhgold>> thanks for the well wishes, I'm off in a few hours.
See everyone monday if your lucky, tuesday if not (or is it the other way around I can never remember). ;)
Mecord
Friday, June 2, 2000 01:06:02 PM
IP: usr57.mtwest.net
*Warpmind pops in, scritching his chin.*
Hi, gang. Just checking in while the pizza's in the oven. :) It's the homemade variety, so you can be sure I'll be punctual when the bell rings. Speaking of which... I saw a funny door sign. "Home of Ivan Pavlov. Please use knocker and not bell."
Shadowrider: Ah, thanks anyway. Maybe I should ask Lucasarts directly. ;)
Cyborg: Regarding assisted suicide: I beg to differ; some people *are* physically enfeebled, as you put it, to the level where they cannot commit suicide by themselves. The reasons for this may vary; they could have lost the mobility of their arms, for instance, or simply be in so much sheer physical pain that they are unable to even clench a knife... there *are* people in this world who are technically alive, but who rely upon others 100% to get through the day; some of these are actually paralyzed from the neck down. (And if you're paralyzed from the neck down, I'd like to see you pull a trigger...) However, do not think I condone suicide; as noted Jake Stonebender once said: "Suicide isn't just a cop-out, it's a rip-off." Additional note: By this he did not deny anyone the right to end suffering.
Wilek/Cyborg: I don't know if droids are the best solution... maybe some high-effect laser cannons mounted on the video cameras? (After all, we need 100% video coverage of the labyrinth; how else could we have pay-per-view?)
Rodlox: Multiple Santa Clauses due to inter-reality disturbances? Well, why didn't you say so in the first place? I'd have one of my other selves try to work out a proper schematic for ya. ;)
Coyote the Bando: Ack! Hope that schmuck with the golf clubs wound up on the business end of some angry brass for that whole incident! (Not to mention what Brooklyn would do...)
Daniel Johnson: 1a) Not sure; guessing the Latin alphabet with its minor variations. 1b) Kyrillic? 2) With no real contestants, the oldest language spoken is that of the Indian elephant tamers; I believe that language has remained unchanged for roughly 6000 years. If you can find any older language, feel free to let me know. :)
RP character power level: Well, it's *really* a tough one for me to estimate, but here goes... Oh, and Thanks, SJ. Warpmind de InzanE would have a base power level of about 120-130. Boosted in his usual manner, with various semi-magical artifacts and his bits of technological equipment, including his biochems weapons, I'd roughly estimate 400-500. (Heavy-duty stuff; comes with the family business.) Fully powered-up for the Final Battle (hopefully improbable to happen in RP time) that is Armageddon, Warpmind packs weapons and armors of both Divine and Infernal nature that boosts him up to, oh, I dunno... maybe 500,000? We're talking about the Avatar of Balance here, set to the job by both sides, Heaven and Hell. Of course, these items of excessive power are only intended for that final battle, and pretty much sealed off until that day comes... :|
Well, hasta la pizza, guys; the timer just went off. :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, June 2, 2000 01:04:18 PM
IP: mp-217-215-13.daxnet.no
Rodlox, apology accepted.
I know riding lawn mowers work best when I am on top. Actually, the riding lawn mower was on its side next with me on a brush pile.
Danger: 1+1<2=1
Gargoyle evolution: we have to assume their DNA is more complex than humans. We also have to assume they came before humans (discarding the theory of gargoyles being magically made) in order for them to surive. What effect would this have? Since we know we humans first came around, we know Gargoyles would have had to come around sooner. In orderer for them to be around sooner, they would have had to deviate from the branch sooner.
Gargoyle Dog evolution: Bronx being around really muddies the water. Do you suppose there was an ENTIRE branch of creatures that turned to stone during the day? before you discard this theory, think about Australia's creatures in relation to the rest of the world's creatures. The first war among the fey could have wiped out these other creatures and any existance of them. Sure maybe one or two surived in a spot, but not enough surived in any one location for the species to continue.
Does bronx have more genetic material in common with gargoyles or human dogs? That is a point to ponder. and another thing: Do gargoyles have more genetic material in common with gargoyle dogs or humans?
*BFTS RP**
Netlag noticed some osmium and told NCA. NCA had Netlag and DC to dig for more around the same spot.
MEANWHILE, Plastique is driving DPH's car.
"That was close," said Plastique.
"Too close. We're going to have warn Winterwolf about traveling down the road." said DPH. "I'm wondering, Plastique, can you convert sunlight into another object?"
"No, why should I be able to?" asked Plastique?
"Light is made of photons. Photons are mass. I was thinking I should be able to summon laser beams in addition to lightning." said DPH.
"Oh. you're thinking of ways to improve our pay?" asked Plastique.
"Yes, but you can protect against lightning not against lasers as easily. Anything we can do to improve ourselves will help against NCA." said DPH.
"I need to make a phone call to ITAG when we get back. Any problems with that?" asked Plastique Saber.
"None. I've saved up enough money." said DPH.
"Your financial situation doesn't quite add up, DPH. You look like you're 23. At that age, you shouldn't be this wealthy, regardless of your salary." said Plastique.
"Hmm. we all have secrets, Plastique. BTW, I am thinking that we might want to stay a team and work some for ITAG to keep us going. I don't want to go broke taking out NCA." said DPH.
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:25:51 AM
IP: max1-60.cwy.cei.net
This is a post from Cyborg. <-- I like entrance effects, it saves me from having to scroll to the bottom of the post to find out to whom it belongs.
Patrick Toman: <And the theory in some paleontological circles is that birds evolved from dinosaurs, not vice versa.> The theory I was refering to is only a month or two old, and replaced the one you are thinking of. The part I was thinking of states that dinosaurs _were_ birds, not that they evolved from birds. I think they were able to take a better look at the skin (fosils? imprints?) and altered the theory to accord with the new observations.
Gside: <ask richton@eden.rutgers.edu> Will he be able to help me figure out how to mail too? ;D
I'm having trouble typing today. Au revoir.
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Friday, June 2, 2000 11:22:13 AM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net
Gside:
1a. Chinese -- no
1b. Cyrillic -- no
2. Zulu -- no
Let's call the other question 3.
3. 5 of 6 right
Rodlox:
1a. Cyrillic/Latin -- Those are two different writing systems. They were both descended from Greek, but they're not the same.
1b. Semaphore -- uh, that's not a _writing_ system
2. Hebrew -- no
3. 2.5 of 6 (one is so close, but you were too specific)
That's it for now; have to get ready for work.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Friday, June 2, 2000 07:15:09 AM
IP: ppp-10.rb5.exit109.com
Fossilized impressions of dinosaur skin are rare, but do exist and do show that dinosaurs had scales similar to modern reptiles. And the theory in some paleontological circles is that birds evolved from dinosaurs, not vice versa.
I think the age of dinosaurs is way too soon in prehistory to be supposing that gargoyles arose. Seeing how many traits they share in common with mammals, it would stand to reason that they followed a similar evolutionary path, and didn't really get moving until the dinosaurs were gone and the resources they had monopolized were freed up for other types of animals to take advantage of. I also would not rule out a common proto-mammalian ancestor for gargoyles and other types of warm-blooded, hairy, milk-producing animals.
** TD-RELATED COMMENT **
Maybe Brooklyn needs to learn how to check for a pulse before deciding whether a body on the ground is dead or just unconscious. Just a suggestion... even on the most mangled red-shirted ensigns, Bones used his medical tricorder for a couple seconds before declaring "He's dead, Jim."
** END TD-RELATED COMMENT **
Patrick Toman
Friday, June 2, 2000 07:02:46 AM
IP: ac81843a.ipt.aol.com
HEY! A-KON ATTENDEES!
I'll be outat the con only on Saturday, I was wondering if I could lean on anyone for a little storage spacefor my costuming gear...
Skippy The Klingon
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:50:58 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-02.ultravision.net
I, for one, don't think that gargoyles are aliens. For one thing, we have no trace anywhere in the series of the advanced technology that would have been required to bring them to Earth. In fact, gargoyles usually tend to be low-tech unless they can avail themselves of human technology (like Lexington or, in TGS, Asrial - well, she actually was low-tech perforce because of when she lived).
Also, while I'm at it, I should correct the common misconception about "Sentinel" once more. Nokkar did NOT mistake the gargs for Space-Spawn. He believed that they were a new alien race allied to the Space-Spawn (as in, having the same sort of relationship to the Space-Spawn that the Drakh had to the Shadows). And it wasn't because they resembled any alien species that he'd thought, but simply because he'd never seen any gargoyles on Earth before and assumed that they must be not native to the planet thereby.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:42:09 AM
IP: 216.87.46.188.dialup-stl.primary.net
I have/had a theory regarding gargoyle languages, but i'll wait for this afternoon to post it. *eg* :)
longest-used language: Hebrew.
most-used language/writing system: Cyrillic/Latin.
2nd-most-used language/writing: semaphore {which may also me the gargs' language}.
5 civilizations: Incan, Olmec {which led to Mayan and Aztec}, Indus River Valley, Old Copper People {near the american Great Lakes}, Greater Zimbabwe, and there was a pre-Celtic culture who's name involved bowls.
Rodlox
Friday, June 2, 2000 06:36:02 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
**SPOILER**New Timedancer: Very nice, good work by the staff. Odd thought: is there a reason why they call it the Pheonix Gate, other than the flame? **/SPOILER**
Wilek> <<I see this as cooperation rather than competition>>: Well, yeah.
<<twice the interesting music>>: Now you're just being kind about my selection. I'm sure some would call my choices tortuous.
<<<ka-BLINK> Did...you discover this emperically?>>: Well, Id did learn it in my father's bio class... maybe we worked on it together. (For the record, he did say to try it over a mattress while keeping your hand under the head and your arm along the spine) And just where did the ka come form fefore the blink?
<<Isn't Santa Claus from Germanic or Slavic>>: Yep (I think somewhere roundabouts Warpmind (but don't trust me)), but since -a and -us are both latin endings, you can apply the rules.
<<I've had similar thoughts about Good Friday>>: I thought all the get-together type stuff was supposed to be done on Sunday.
Cyborg> <<I can not get your MP3s to work on my Gnome desktop, any ideas how to fix that>>: Do you have Xamp and your audio drivers? I haven't really worked with Linux, so I can't really help you. If you want to annoy someone who doesn't know you, doesn't know you're coming, and can get a Linux box to sit up and beg, ask richton@eden.rutgers.edu
Rodlox> <<i could make the case that lions obtain most of their prey by stealing it from jackals>>: Been reading A Tale of Two Cities lately? (the title of one chapter was The Lion and the Jackal, referring to the two lawyers, referring to that theory) Hasn't it been proven that lions get their own food (the females at least)?
CtB> <<a Devils team... is going to be a tough customer in the Cup Finals>>: It's the power of the Jersey water. Plus, our mascot is in reality an undiscovered gargoyle clan (to which Damien S. Leeds belongs).
Daniel Johnson> <<What writing system is used for more different languages than any other?>>: I'll have a go. I'd say Chineese, unless you discount dialects.
<<What is the second?>>: Cyrillic, Just because most people would probably put Roman in the first two.
<<What language has been continuously spoken for longer than any other?>>: Not a clue, Zulu?
<<What are the six original, independently developed civilizations>>: Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Indus Valley the Huang He (Yellow River) valley, the island of Crete, and in Central America? (Alright, so I searched the net for that one)
Sev. Jr.> <<With the way medical science is progressing>>: You can thank Rutgers for that. Recently Mr. Reeve was at the opening ceremony for a new center for the study of spinal injuries.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, June 2, 2000 03:43:07 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
Hey guys!!
I've been reading the gargoyles fanfic.the one that picks up were the series left off. And I've come to "Out of Joint"
and it makes me think I should start reading that too!!
It seems promising!!!!Well that's it for today.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 02:12:34 AM
IP: usr35.cqc.com
Okay I have to mention this. Maybe I was just feeling extremely silly but I found Dilbert was funny this past Tuesday. All the engineers had so much junk that they made up a phony engineer to use a cubicle to put all their extra stuff. They called the fictitious engineer Todd. Much like the phantom Todd Jenson that I'm convinced the rest of the staff here has made up. ;) He becomes the best engineer practically a god in his own right and Catbert has his own opinions of Todd. Here are four of his lines. Maybe we can apply them to our own Todd as well. ;)
"Who is this Todd."
"There is no Todd."
"I don't believe in Todd."
"Where is your Todd now?"
Maybe this can count as some late religion responses? No. Okay it doesn't count. This was all just an act of Todd. ^_^ <rotten fruits and veggies away>
Christine> <six siders> GURPS... I never tried it. :( Everything is done with d6? Hmm, I've played a few RPGs but I don't believe any used only the d6. I seem to remember one that used only d10 but in most several different dice were used. It feels like I haven't played a RPG in ages. Why won't anyone invite me to his or her RPG? :( Maybe because I didn't ask? Nah That doesn't seem like a good reason. ;) BTW - RP posts don't count. I'm not rolling dice for that. Maybe I should. Imagines if things were rolled out. NCA attacks Winterwolf. He scores a critical hit. Rolling on the critical hit table he decapitates him. GM intervenes. Let's just make that triple damage. Okay then Winterwolf is hit for 6000 points of damage and is extremely dead anyway. GM intervenes again. You pathetic character is too weak, let's replace NCA with a cute little white rabbit and action... Oh you know this just keeps on going. <volley number 2>
Wilek> <Very nice...Sign here to register with the company directory and report to your workstation. ~_^> *Pulls out some finger paints and in different colorful letters spells out 'N A R F' <facing Goku> Well if you want to beat him challenge him to a game of Scrabble or worse Trivial Pursuit! If he attacked me I would summon the Warner Brothers to be his special friend, Elmyra to hug him and squeeze when he turns into a monkey or gets his gold fur, Mindy without Buttons to have him save her, Pip Pumphandle everyone just calls me Pip to talk him to insanity and give him an unhealthy dose of Plucky Duck's ego. Man that was a run on sentence for sure. ^_^ <I think I see some CR lurkers ready to put duct tape over my mouth>
Rodlox> <Mork and Mindy> Nanu Nanu! <try now> You probably meant try now June 1, 2000 11:29:39 AM not June 2, 2000 1:22:16AM right? I will press the send button at exactly this time. ;) Actually I'll just send it when I send it. How's that for extremes?
******TD SPOILERS******
I agree with most of the comments out there. First off, excellent pictures! Well done Lady Foxglove! I enjoyed the story. Two points that bothered me - I feel it could have done more to draw the reader into the story. The death reversal didn't go over very well for me. I'm glad Celar is okay but I don't think Brooklyn would have thought him dead and then the next minute he is a-okay.
Coyote the Bando> <he was unconscious> Okay but then why did Brooklyn think he was dead? Now I have this image of Brooklyn coming off as extremely incompetent.
******END TD SPOILERS******
Shadowrider> <they would have not called me to M.S> That's Marco S. right? Apologies if I confused your name with someone else. In the past month I've met several Italian gentlemen with a first name starting with M.
Robby> Even though you intended that for the other CR I'm glad I caught your second post here.
Cyborg> <dose of prozac, the double dose of sleeping pills, and the overdose of extra strength robaxtacet> Now it is important to balance the sleeping pills with an equal dose of pep pills. ;) See Homer Simpson.
Heather> Hi. I'm alright, but how are you?
Matthew> <Dr. Who> Just wait. In the next episode Brooklyn gets a long multicolor scarf, a sonic screwdriver, and extra pouch filled with you know what. Then Brooklyn and Celar face off against the Cybermen. :) Of course that's nothing like Dr. Who but an interesting story wouldn't you agree? ^_^
<Dr. Who> Seriously I can see some parallels. I'm just being silly right now I don't mean to insult anyone other than myself.
Niamhgold> <gargoyles from aliens> Shh... Don't give away all the gargoyle secrets! ;) <fanfic> I'm glad you found that useful. Shall I continue in the same style then? I'll send you an email within the next few days to talk about it. So far I'm having plenty of fun with your fics. ^_^ <wacky> We should trade stories about sometime. I still have my moments nowadays but there was a time I was dubbed Wakko for my wacky and zany period. ;)
******BFTS - RP******
Outside DPH's house
Winterwolf thought about his outburst. Was he just upset that he was beaten so badly or was there more to it than that? He thought about it and decided it was more than just pride. It was foolish to let his pride cloud his judgement. He was more concerned with the fact that he didn't find this out earlier. Jason had been holding back all this time. Probably had something to due with all the negative comments about the Speed Stars after I arrived. He sighed. I need to talk with Jason and find out about his connection with the Speed Stars. I also need to apologize to him and to Rodlox. Unconsciously Winterwolf's tail drooped and he slowly headed back to the house.
**Meanwhile in a deserted area.**
Alex Freedman, Elaine Wiseman and a few other Speed Stars get ready to test out the new equipment.
Elaine took a sonic cannon and pointed it at a junked car. As soon as she pulled the trigger the remaining windows, there were only three intact, cracked then shattered. "We need to make sure these can't be used against us. You." Elaine pointed to a guy she disliked by the name of Todd. "Go stand next to the car."
Todd looked at Alex who said, "What are you waiting for get over there!" He adjusted his sound dampening headphone with the attached microphone and reluctantly did what he was told.
When he was in position Elaine wasted no time in blasting him.
Todd screamed and removed his headgear. His ears were ringing and he had a headache. Other than that he was fine.
"Well these are a waste." Elaine judged from the reaction. Alex nodded in agreement then added; "They compromise our protection to electricity and fire anyway."
"The suits give do make us virtually immune to electricity and fire. Isn't it possible that we could be frozen though?" A woman named Kate asked.
"Well Kate that is the whole point of using flame throwers. The suit will protect against cold as well and if you were frozen and the nearest member with a flame thrower could have you out right away." Alex answered.
"Now we need to replace the 2 sonic cannons that didn't work and the flame thrower that exploded. At least that flame thrower tested the protection of the suits. Fortunately there was nothing wrong with any of them." Alex stated to the assembled group. "We will have to wait a few more days before we can put and end to these freaks." There were murmurs of agreement from the collective group.
******END BFTS - RP******
Brooklyn> <email> I'll send you that info via email. I still have to read your latest email for that matter.
Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks and Chopsticks Chop Chop! Repeat the previous sentence at least 3 times. Bye!!
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Friday, June 2, 2000 02:01:25 AM
IP: dialup-63.210.211.224.newyork1.level3.net
Hey guys!!
How is it going?
Quick posts
< Winterwolf>
I have the first season on tape.Which brings me to an old question: Will I mail them to you?If so send me your address
or something!! If not that,we will figure something out.
<Rodlox>
Tell me which you'd like to see sooner. As far as scripting,
I have got about half an episode written in dialogue for
Irish clan,as you can see it's a slow work in progress and nothing scripted for Future Tense. Tell me what you think.
<Janine>
Tried emailing you last night. It didn't go through.Hope those wings are close to working.
<Topic du jour:Gargoyles ( Native or Alien?)
Well I'd like to think the gargoyles are native to this world.As I dicussed earlier in my section on 'Therapsids' but if the what Dr. Sevarius said is true, that stone sleep is found now where else in "our" animal kingdom maybe they are foriegn.But the rainforests have yet to be fully sifted through for all of its life.So you never know.
<Rodlox>
Again I watched the opening theme and those free standing
muttonchops as close as I could tell seem to be similar to the hanging hair of Jackal and Hyena, only the wind is blowing it.
Well thats all for now.
I'll probably post later before I go to bed.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 01:26:00 AM
IP: usr35.cqc.com
***BEGIN RP**
Kari felt a massive headache coming on. She turned to Dyspare. "Please explain to me why demons are flocking to Siegfried and Roy?"
The little demon shrugged. "Don't look at me. I've never understood it. But most demons I've talked to seem to have this thing for white tigers--"
"This is a very illogical form of entertainment," the Administrator was saying. "These two males parade in front of an audience and attempt to please them by making large carnivorous land mammals perform stunts?"
Kari growled deep in her throat. "Okay, I've just about had enough. The world could end any day now cause we have ungodly powerful aliens coming here to kill us all, and they want to watch a Vegas circus act!" She walked up to the stage with purpose. Security personnel moved to intercept her, but she shoved them aside and jumped up on the stage. "You want a show?" She shouted at the demons. "You're gonna get one!"
***END RP***
Jimmy Smits in Star Wars: I hope this is true. I'd like to see him playing a Jedi, which is what all the rumors point towards. I don't think he'd be a Sith, cause the rumors going round about the Sith are that there will be a new one in the next film, then no more until Anakin becomes Vader. Smits would be a pretty damn cool Jedi, I think. I loved him in NYPD Blue, so I'd love to see him wielding a lightsaber. Now, if only they could get Dennis Franz to cameo playing a Hutt...
Good Entertainment News: Some pretty great news I just heard--apparently, actor and quadriplegiac Chris Reeve is actually beginning to regain some feeling in his shoulders and his spine. Hey, he's not walking yet, but it's a step in the right direction (no pun intended). With the way medical science is progressing, hopefully injuries like Mr. Reeve's will not only be more treatable in the future but possibly curable.
Nature vs. Nurture: I've taken enough Psychology and Sociology courses to believe that Nurture is far more important than Nature. You don't even know how socially programmed you are. Everyone of us is, to some extent, programmed based upon the culture and society we live in, and this begins at birth. I do not believe that humankind has instincts the way other animals do, beyond a natural survival instinct. For good or ill, we are, to some extent, what other people and society make us.
As for Gargoyles...I don't really like the whole "Gargoyles must protect" idea as instinct, at least not to the extent it's carried out. As an animal species, Gargoyles could have an natural instinct to protect their territory, but I think that they've added psychological and cultural reinforcements to stress this behavior.
BTW, maybe someone's already answered this, but do the Gargoyles have a language? Every gargoyle we've seen in the series always speaks a *human* language, with no hint of one of their own. Do Gargoyles even have a language? The very fact that they possess vocal cords capable of speech would make it logical that they do. Or am I just expecting too much out of them? Did they "not need" a language before humans showed up, which would make this some sort of equivalent to the dopey "You humans have to name everything" rule?
Niamhgold: I actually like your idea of Gargyoles being alien. It would make a LOT of sense. The Gargoyles supposedly resemble the "space spawn" that Nokkar was talking about, right? Maybe they really *are* the space spawn. A few of them decided to settle on earth, you know, make a base or something, and the ancestors went native. Could happen. Nokkar had been there for hundreds of years, why not another alien species?
Robby: Thanks for the power levels. And thanks for being generous and giving SJ a rating of 500. :) Of course, Number 4 seems to have a rating of 225,000. And collectively, our fighting forces are maybe....oh, probably less than 1/200th of that....
Warpmind: Robby is really more of the person to ask to explain power levels. But I'll try to maybe explain it sort of. You can't completely go by DBZ, cause towards the end of DBZ you have guys with just insanely high power levels. But, sort of following DBZ, an average person, with little to no fighting experience, would probably have a power level below 100. Really good fighters who've trained hard will have a higher level--such as Krillin, who had about a 200 rating when DBZ started. Goku and Piccolo, who are of the Saiyan and Namek races respectively, have a higher level, about maybe 400 to 500 each, at the start of DBZ. Raditz, the first villain we see in the series, had a level of 1500, and could kick their ass fairly easily. On the other hand, Vegeta had a power level of 18,000, and he could blow up a damn planet by himself. So maybe this gives you a sort of basis to develop your own power scale. Take my character--SJ. He's been a bit "augmented" do to all his fighting experience, so Robby gives him a 500. Kari is the Avatar of Athena, which means she possesses (to an extent) the power of a goddess, so she has a level of 1000. The Number 4 of the ten has a level of 225,000. Big difference. So you can maybe set your character(s) to the setting you think is appropriate. Normal person--level in the double digits. VERY strong fighter with good experience--mid triple digits to low quadruple digits.
On second thought, that's just terribly confusing even to me....hmm, I think as long as you keep your character's power levels below the bad guys (to make it a challenge! ;) things will be fine.
Skippy: **Begin obscure Neil Gaiman reference**
Hey, didn't you know? Santa is just a slave. The poor old guy is forced to deliver presents by those damn bastard elves. Nicholas was, older than sin, and his beard could grow no whiter. He wanted to die...
***End obscure Neil Gaiman reference***
Starsinger: I've seen those X-men "mutant watch" commercials. I think they are very well done, and they've been making an impression in the industry. I think it's a great way to promote the movie, and using the internet is the way to go (check out www.mutantwatch.com). Pretty cool concept, too, considering this is an election year. The really funny thing is, I've seen "Pro-Senator Kelly" fans on MTV's Total Request Live show once or twice. Back when they broadcast out of New York, in the crowd scenes you could sometimes catch folks with "Kelly for President" signs in the background.
***RESUME RP***
"Listen up!" Kari shouted. "I'm gonna say this just once! Everyone who is formerly a resident of Hell, please leave the auditorium in an orderly fashion. If you don't, then I'll become angry. And....you....don't....want....me...ANGRY!!!"
"Who ah you?" Siegfried screamed. "You ah ruining ahr act!"
"Yes! You hohrrible gurrrl!!!" Roy spat. "We HATE gurrls!"
"Tell me something I don't know," Kari muttered.
"We vill teach you!" Siegfried screamed. He turned to two large white tigers, and pointed towards Kari. "Boys....get her!"
Kari saw the two tigers approaching her slowly. Their fangs were bared and they had a dark, hungry glint in their eyes. "I suppose it'd be too much to ask that you two are both declawed?" she asked.
Her response came in the form of a swipe of a tiger paw, which she quickly avoided. "I suppose not."
***END RP***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, June 2, 2000 12:39:33 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net
Christine: sent sent. ::)
Rodlox
Friday, June 2, 2000 12:06:30 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
DJ: <<You said that in order to get insight into human development one would need to study primates rather than gargoyles. Why?>>
what i meant was, which would tell us more about the development of conciousness?: a gargoyle/gargbeast, a neanderthal, a homo habilitus?
<<I wasn't talking about _physical_ development, but _cultural_ development. Maybe that wasn't clear. Gargoyles are closer to us culturally than, say, gorillas, even though gorillas are one of our closest relatives genetically. The fact that a completely unrelated species would develop similar cultural traits is _very_ important.>>
don't take this the wrong way {as it's a common occurance}, but you seem to be confusing two groups of traits. {for simplicity's sake, let's call them 'Native' and 'Alien' traits}.
Native traits are those developed by the gargoyles themselves. Alien traits, therefore, are all other sources: humans, fae, etc.
Chimpanzees and Gorillas {and Bonobos and Orangs} still have 95% Native traits in their culture, as well as exhibit cultural variation within the species. {the other 5% are those raised among and by humans - with the language-users at the forefront, like Koko}.
with Gargoyles, the numbers appear to be reversed. 95% of gargoyles appear to have integrated with human culture {or is Bushido a gargoyle invention?}.
i don't mean to insult you or anyone else.....though you're kinda right: anthropologists would study gargs to see how a non-human mind fits into human norms of conduct.
><I know many anthropologists who would love to set up camp in Castle Wyvern, with little recorders in hand, observing every detail of the clan's life. How long do you bet they'd last? :) >>
well, that probably depends on how recently they'd had a battle....a gargoyle with an itchy trigger finger does not bear thinking about....
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:58:54 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Rodlox > I haven't seen an e-mail from you as of yet ...
Fanfic update > alas, I did not finish "Lylth" last night. And given that the weekend will be mostly taken up with Becca and Sabledrake, I doubt I'll have a chance to write before my work week begins again. So, hopefully, I will have it done early next week.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:48:44 PM
IP: nas-16-88.seattle.navipath.net
<<Anthropology trivia question:
What are the six original, independently developed civilizations? Geographical areas are fine.>>
you want this on private email or public board?
either way, i'll start:
Indus River Valley.
Rodlox
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:45:41 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Hmm, I liked Abandonment, but I can't think of any particular comments at the moment except to say that the last scene had me LMAO. Good job. ;)
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Ok, I wasn't going to say any more about instincts, but it keeps nagging me so I'm going to quote a few things. This is from _Psychology:_Themes_and_Variations_ by Wayne Weiten (1989) on page 349:
"Instincts are behavioral patterns that are (1) unlearned, (2) uniform in expression, and (3) universal in a species."
"Consider the spider Cupiennius salei, which instinctively goes through a rigid program of 6400 spinning movements to create its cocoon. It cannot learn any shortcuts. If its silk glands dry out during the spinning, it continues to weave a nonexistent cocoon (Eibl-Eibesfeldt, 1975)."
"In contrast, humans generally display far more flexibility and diversity in behavior. Even fundamental maternal urges are far from universal or automatic. Many mothers _learn_ to love their newborn infants; some never do. Mothers express their love in different ways. Thus, maternal 'instincts' in humans aren't really instincts. Human maternal affection isn't necessarily innate, automatic, or rigid in its expression."
"When subjected to close scrutiny, the instinct concept did not explain human behavior very well."
That's it. I don't know what else to say. I hope I'm not annoying anyone. If I ever do, just slap me a few times and I'll eventually get the message. It's the squirrels in my head, you see. Chewing on my brain. Whispering. I hear them. Scampering. The doctor says they'll go away. Some day.
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Where was I?
I was going to say that Cyborg's passage wasn't Latin and looked more like Italian, but our resident linguist, Shadowrider, got there first. I had no idea it was from The Inferno; I don't know Italian. Ah, The Inferno! I love the smell of brimstone in the morning. Why do we always refer to Dante by his first name? Or Galileo?
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Language trivia questions:
1a) What writing system is used for more different languages than any other?
1b) What is the second?
2) What language has been continuously spoken for longer than any other?
Anthropology trivia question:
What are the six original, independently developed civilizations? Geographical areas are fine.
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My, full of questions tonight, aren't I?
DP"Survivor"H:
Uh, lawnmowers are most effective when you're _on top_ of them. Not the other way around. Please don't do that again.
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Matthew:
Gargoyles fan _and_ Doctor Who fan, huh? You have good taste. You know, I'd love to see Brooklyn run into the Master someday...
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The gargoyle evolution topic is interesting, but I think that Shadowrider and Toku Kaioto are correct that there really isn't anyway to fit gargoyles into an evolutionary pattern. There is so much genetic variation in the species that their DNA would have to be structured in a way that is unlike any other species on Earth. In fact, oddly enough, the existence of gargoyles could be seen as proof that there is a God who created all life since evolution alone could not explain them. Of course, if they _were_ aliens...
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One more older bit:
Rodlox:
You said that in order to get insight into human development one would need to study primates rather than gargoyles. Why? I wasn't talking about _physical_ development, but _cultural_ development. Maybe that wasn't clear. Gargoyles are closer to us culturally than, say, gorillas, even though gorillas are one of our closest relatives genetically. The fact that a completely unrelated species would develop similar cultural traits is _very_ important. I know many anthropologists who would love to set up camp in Castle Wyvern, with little recorders in hand, observing every detail of the clan's life. How long do you bet they'd last? :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:39:39 PM
IP: ppp-17.rb5.exit109.com
I'm up for some RPing in the 10 saga, as long as I can use the weaker Gasper Form in my previous post. *Slams on the bars to the door to get in.* LET ME IN!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!! (Heh heh heh.) I'm ready, just give me a situation. You've got control over the character.
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Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Thursday, June 1, 2000 10:58:08 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
**enters and reads comments from the audience**
Thanks for the praise and criticisms. Now allow me to explain ...
Firstly, I have a very unique perspective on Vietnam, in that *both* of my parents are Vietnam vets (Mom was stationed at a Naval air support base in Japan; Dad was a boiler operator aboard U.S.S. *Dixie* (AD-14), a tanker supply ship).
Additionally ... MMC Alexander F. Martinez is my father, so I know the true story firsthand from the source. During his time in Vietnam, he was abandoned in a clearing in the middle of the Vietnamese jungle for four days to wait for a chopper. (And yes, Matthew, even without the excuse of a lost child to look after, my father was bumped off the chopper by a pompous ass LT who wanted to make room for ... I kid you not ... a set of golf clubs.)
Truth be told, I was hopin' that Dad would be here and tell the story himself ... unfortunately, I'm not sure I even have his correct e-mail addy. (He now works for the US Postal Service in Denver, Colorado as a mail carrier)
Some additional family stuff I threw into the story ... the names of the three Marines from the 169th under Tylor:
"Garcia" is my uncle on my father's side (also a Navy Vietnam vet)
"Payette" is my uncle on my mother's side (an Army Korea vet)
"Portz" is my brother-in-law (who to my knowledge has never served in the armed forces at all).
As for Celer surviving the blast ... it's really quite simple, he survived because he didn't catch any shrapnel (he was momentarily rendered unconscious by the system shock of a blast wave).
Okay, on to other matters ...
XenaTrek, re: Jimmy Smits in SW: I'm picturing him as probably a Jedi character ... hmm, maybe they cast *him* as Darth Rage? We won't really know until we get there, y'know? :)
Kyryn, re: Stars: Somehow that isn't looking too promising, judging by Game 1. Lemme tell ya, I know from experience that a Devils team, *especially* one with Claude Lemieux (aka the ANTI-CHRIST!!) on it, is going to be a tough customer in the Cup Finals. This is only the second time the Devils have been to the Finals. First time they beat my beloved Red Wings in a sweep, and Lemieux was a big part of that. (Considering they got Lemieux back from Colorado mid-season ... I'm very worried)
Cybercookies: Matthew gets the twenty for figuring out the source of "blipverts." However, nobody guessed the movie ... the line I posted was the last line (and the best scene, actually) from the film "Showgirls," the only thing I could think of that was worse than Barney short of the Teletubbies (aka the British Brown Acid Trip). :)
**skips out**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, June 1, 2000 10:43:37 PM
IP: 216.28.101.160
****TGS SPOILERS****
Abandonment: Good story, it was great to finally see Brooklyn in Vietnam after only getting a glimpse in season 1. I liked how we finally see how Robbins lost his sight. The final scene was most amusing. The illustrations were fantastic.
****END SPOILERS****
Gargoyle Biology: It is my few that gargoyles developed from mammal-like reptiles, their ancestors ofshooting from them before the age of the dinosaurs. The great variation we see in gargoyles may be due to interference from the currently extinct race that Greg Wiesman has mentioned ie. a nuclear test or something similar (Note: I do not see this as being the origin for stone sleep).
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Thursday, June 1, 2000 09:53:00 PM
IP: dial-303.ocis.net
**TD COMMENTS**
<"Slavery has been outlawed for a century,(...)"> now Celer's from the Roman times...so wouldn't he interpret that as [something along the lines of] "Slavery's been outlawed ever since we put up martial law" ?
that pic of Brooklyn growling in the grass - SCARY!!
question: why could Robbins understand Celer, but the VC couldn't?
my theory on Celer's recovery: either he's a child of a Fae {or an actual fae in disguise - maybe one of the ones 'learning their lesson' Pandora mentioned}....or the Pheonix Gate managed to heal him.
{i know: in _Daylight_, Brooklyn was about to die....it was just a theory}.
**END TD SPOILERS**
Rodlox
Thursday, June 1, 2000 09:35:25 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Christine: check your email please.
onto replies....:
Kit: << What about Leo? A lion's a predator, right? So are hawks and falcons, and they're also represented in the London Clan.>> as i said - just a theory.
{though i could make the case that lions obtain most of their prey by stealing it from jackals and other critters - aka, the bluff-based predator lower on the food chain that i mentioned}.
Shadowrider: <<Humans from outer space...I always found it a very fascinating theory... >> yeah, me too...up untill i found out just _how_much_ humans have in common with other vertabrates of Earth - as well as members of the fossil record. so, did we bring our ecology with us when we arrived?....and when did we come? {paleontologists can trace primates - and therefore human - lineage back to a tree shrew}.
Niamhgold: <<Gargoyles being aliens is not an odd idea--when you could consider the relatively recent theory that humans, themselves, are not of Earth (and my prominent theory, which, in my Physics class, once led to a mind-boggling philosophical discussion about infinity...woo-hoo!) >> um, do you - perchance - happen to have a copy?
<< would that make Nessie a brother/sister? Is *that* why Angela had such a mutual kinship with the creature, when humans, apparently, could not?>> if that’s true, then i’m in DEEP trouble: i think sloths {3-toed and 2-toed} are absolutely adorable....though their weak muscles may be a problem for anybody trying to turn one into ta garg {feel free to take that as a challenge - please?}.
<<if unevolved Nessie exists at the same time as supposedly evolved gargoyles, how can *that* be explained?>> simple...either of the two are true {or something else is}...
1) Nessie’s close kin are superbly adapted - to their own enviroment......{people used to wonder about the primitiveness of the Platypus, untill they found that the ‘beak’ could detect weak electro-magnetic pulses from the muscles of its’ prey}.
2) Nessie’s close kin are a remnant population, something isolated so they haven’t evolved _as_much_ {key words} as other gargoyloids.
Matthew: <<The Doctor is accompanied by a succession of companions whose membership changes every so often as he meets new ones and drops off old ones when they choose to stop travelling with him. This is a little like Brooklyn, travelling with Sata, then that pain Payne :) and now Celer. >> ....leaving us to wonder: when is _Brooklyn’s_ replacement going to show up? :)
<<Dinosaurs may not have had scales. Recent studies have revealed that they may all have been really big birds.>> and that proves...??? birds have scales - just look at their legs and feet.
<<And just to make things interesting, stone sleep may not have evolved as a defence mechanism to preditors, but as protection from a change in environment, such as the change that knocked off the rest of the dinosaurs.>> there’s actually a precedent for that, believe it or not!!....
when food supplies and-or light gets too low, a kind of diatom enters a natural stasis, and sinks to the ocean floor - waking up when conditions are right once more
Revel: <<My back is so red right now if I had a pair of wings and white hair you could pass me off as a Brooklyn impersinator. Until I turned around of course.>> you mean - you had a tail and - what is that called? - elevated ankles? ::)
<<Aspects of nature, such as human senses and nuerological signals are things that have been with us ever since our creation and we're only now begining to be able to mimic these things. Mother nature is far more advanced than we will ever be.>>
don’t be too sure: nature hasn’t developed living helicopters yet -- the largest organic wheels can fit inside the cells which help termites process wood.
Shadowrider: <<(Imagine to look at the models of the heads (only the heads) of Goliath and Brooklyn: would you say they belong to the same species?) >> if you studied certain kinds of finches of the Galapagos and Madeira, you probably would: on an island theres, there is only one species of finch, yet it exhibits the full range of beak types....from tweezer-billed insect eater, to thick-billed fruit eater, hook-beaked meat eater, and so on.
Warpmind: <<Plural of Santa Claus? Uh... Santas? Santa Clausii? Really, there *is* just one of him, so the whole debate is pretty much pointless. :) >> actually it’s not - i asked because the question came up on an Alternate History list...the topic involved interaction between multiple human-occupied timelines.
DPH: <<shouldn't their be a face that's halfway between Brooklyn's and Goliath's.>> i always thought that Bronx, Lex, and Broadway fit in there - slightly protuberant muzzle, but not large/long enough to be classed as a beak.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 08:29:07 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
I do not know Latin or do Latin translations. I belive the other Daniel deserves the credit for that.
I'd like to claim "Surivor" as my middle name. I was mowing in a riding lawnmower on a steep slope and the mower flipped on the side. No injuries to me.
Power levels - Can anyone explain to me the power level of Oberon and Puck? While I am at it, can anyone give me power levels of NCA, DPH, and Plastique Saber?
Robby, I'm talking to the few who do post more than 3 times a day. If you show an image every time you post and you make short posts, the size of this room skyrockets but the quality does not go up.
**TD SPOILER**
There are some stories that have to be told. They are not necessarily great stories, but they have to be told. This is one of them. Brooklyn knew he could not be spotted by Robbins and thus he had to adapt to the situation.
**END TD SPOILERS**
Gargoyle origins - Brooklyn knows that Pandora isn't the mother of all gargoyles - remember his visit to Atlantis. That stratches that theory off the table. Gargoyles as aliens seems plausible. Here's why. There's something about the sun that causes them to turn into stone (I am thinking about Superman's power coming from sunlight). Of course, that theory has problems with it: how did the gargoyles get here and is that means still available.
Gargoyle genetics - shouldn't their be a face that's halfway between Brooklyn's and Goliath's. What about a compromise between UNA's face, Broolyn's face, Griff, Leo? All this variation suggests that in Gargoyle genetics, the make up of the face is controlled by a varity of genes: not by two factors but at least six. Talk about complicated genetics. It wou;d take longer to decipher the gargoyle genome than the human genome. One would have to compare DNA from several clans to figure out the genome. It would take a lot of imgination to figure out what the first gargoyles must have looked like.
Stone Sleep - I wonder if Broolyn didn't protect them from time to time. Surely, Demona would have also looked after them. Heck, that gives me an idea for a TD episode: Brooklyn has to work with Demona (secretly) to protect himself while he slept in stone.
**BFTS RP**
"Plastique, something does not quite feel right." said DPH.
"What do you mean?" said Plastique Saber.
"We haven't been attacked at all so far on the trip." said DPH.
"Shshh. Don't say another word about it." said Plastique Saber.
Netlag suddenly showed up and started firing magical bullets at DPH's car.
"You just had to say it." said Plastique.
"I'm going to put a forcefield around the car." said DPH. "Plastique Saber, speed up."
Plastique Saber sped up to 300 mph. Netlag was having trouble keeping up with them. A few minutes later, a portal appears and DPH's car falls through it. NCA was waiting for them and summons a forcefield around the car and uses the forcefield to push the car deeper underwater. Plastique and DPH quickly raise all the windows in the car.
"The car weighs more with the 1/2 inch titanium armor." said Plastique.
"As soon as we're deep enough that NCA can't see us, I'm sending us back on the highway." said DPH.
DPH calls on his cellphone and Jason Filler answers. DPH tells Jason to keep an eye out for DC.
DPH finally summons a portal to land on a highway.
"Where are we?" asked Plastique Saber.
"Just keep heading in the direction I pointed us in and we'll be back at my house in an hour." said DPH.
"Why not closer?" ased Plastique Saber.
"Because Jason didn't quite sound right when I called. I suspect something's going on at my house and I don't want to bring problems to my house yet." said DPH.
DC was looking around. He expected DPH to head through in a few seconds. NCA suddenly appears.
"Well, where is he?" ased NCA.
"Not in town." DC wondered if he should tell NCA about seeing people talk on phones and decided not to. "Nothing unusual going on."
"Keep searching. He must not be allowed to return home unharmed." said NCA.
DPH summoned a portal.
"What are you doing?" asked Plastique Saber.
"Getting ready to buy time. I want you to make 1 kg of osmium. NCA supervise DC and Netlag looking for more. The 1st portal is where the stuff is and the one I'm going to create is where I want the osmium to be." said DPH.
Plastique did as DPH requested.
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 07:39:09 PM
IP: max1-65.cwy.cei.net
Hello CR peoples.
On Wing Construction> Actually I don't want to use strings or pullies or anything that would dangle or ruin the 'realness' of the costume. I am a Theatre major so everything has to be totally fake or totally realistic. I used to play with connects(sp?) and what-not and they would not withstand the weight of all the fabric attached to them. I have found a nifty way of constructing them using a 'special' plastic. My wing arms are nearly complete:)
Shadowriter>? On the subject of paying attention. I have nothing but time from ten o'clock at night to one/two in the morning. You would be amazed at how much I know about Gargoyles. If it wasn't you I appoligize.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 07:13:55 PM
IP: phx-232.treknet.net
Just a quick passage before sleep (and sorry for 2nd post...)
Niamhgold:> Check your email! Seems this time it worked!
Cyborg:> (sorry, I misspelled your name last time...) Oh, thank you for the cookies...<bites one> they taste wonderfully...but I really don't deserve it...I mean, I studied "Divina Commedia" for five years, reading every single verse more and more, and eviscerating the hidden meanings of every word, almost coming to hate it...if I wasn't able to recognize that passage, my Litterature teacher was going to kill me...
<< I thought Dante had written it in latin.>> An understandable mistake...Actually, Dante wrote some poems in Latin, but later he felt the need to nobilitate what at that time was called the "Vulgar language" by writing a great work in that language...and he did. For this reason, he is considered the father of Italian written language...
Kitainia:> Yes, I consider Mononoke a masterwork, and I for sure will take it as it will come out on video...I liked its music too. About my fic...well, we're working on it...
Everything else will wait until tomorrow.
Good night, really this time.
Ciao!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, June 1, 2000 06:44:33 PM
IP: h213-20-251.mi2.albacom.net
**ONE RP COMING UP**
In Ankara International Airport's baggage claim, hundreds of panicked people are fleeing down stairs and out doors as shooting and explosions continue to echo from above them. "Sir, please, come on!" an emergency evacuation official is yelling at a tall elderly Arabian man with a pencil mustache wearing a gray suit. "Those terrorists will be down here any minute!" "My daughter is still here!" the man insists. "I will not be leaving without her!" The evac official grabs his arm and is about to start dragging him away when a voice shouts, "Father!" Instantly, the elderly man, whose name is Fasil Bey, wiggles out of the official's grip and runs to the trio of humans that has just come running down the stairs with a large dog running alongside and a feline humanoid covering their back. "Erin!" he smiles at his daughter, embracing her as she rushes up to him. "You are safe!" "Of course I'm safe!" she grins back. "I've been taught to protect myself, remember? I also had Bessus and Gubio here backing me up." She turns and introduces her father to Gubio, who smiles and nods. Fasil grimaces as they shake hands. "So you are Alex Cleary. From all Erin told me, I expected someone taller, with the face and aura of a god." "Well, uh, sorry to disappoint you," Gubio grins. Fasil laughs. "No matter. I am sure you are still a good man. We can get to know each other later, first we must get out of here. Come, my car is parked outside." "I hope we don't have any problems getting to it," Bessus says, looking back at the stairway for terrorists and getting a negative meow from Mist. "There were a dozen of those men upstairs, if more are outside…" "We'll handle them," Erin cuts him off. She then points at Mist. "Father, that's Gubio's magic cat, Mist. Please don't be alarmed by her." "I'm not alarmed," Fasil smiles. "Your own trainer was a caiveh, remember? I assume this is the same thing." "What's a…" Gubio begins, but Fasil interrupts him. "It can all be explained later. Come, we must away!" Erin and Bessus nod and Gubio shrugs, then follows them out with Mist and the Airedale, Samson, bringing up the rear. The evac official has already fled. In the doorway of a nearby restroom, Yevi looks out and grimaces as the group exits the airport. "The boss is not going to like this," he sighs.
Meanwhile, in Area 51, the Ravens are entering a conference room behind Wilek and Miriam. "Sir!" a secretary runs up as they come in and hands Wilek a sheet of paper. "The transmission that describes just showed up on all planet-wide communication channels!" Wilek gives it a once-over, and shakes his head. "I don't have time to deal with this right now. Get Rho to confirm its truth, then get back to me!" The secretary nods and dashes off. Wilek turns back to the Ravens. "Alright, guys, you better sit down for this." He gestures at the table, and they all take his advice. "Okay now," says Tricia. "What's the big problem?" "Yeah?" adds Keith. "What are you doing down here on Earth?" Wilek sighs. "Like I said outside, it's a long story." "So begin," encourages Kit. Wilek nods. "Shortly after you left, a demon lord named Mephisto appeared on the Avatar. We tried to fight him, but he brought along an entire army of demons that was just too powerful. They took over the station and forced us out. We evacuated to down here." The Ravens stare at him as he finishes, speechless. "That didn't sound too long," Jammer quips, prompting many people to frown at him. They then look back at Wilek. "The Avatar has been taken over by demons?" Orion raises an eyebrow. "I'm afraid so," Wilek nods. "Unfortunate," Bardic mutters. "I think the twins are still there, too. This is most worrisome." "The Avatar?" Doug asks confusedly. "Taken over by demons? Is this bad?" "No duh!" Stephanie snaps, Kit nodding in agreement. "Are you okay, Doug?" Wilek asks, frowning. "I've…" Doug begins. "He's lost his memory," Kit finishes. "Oh," Wilek frowns. "Neuralyzer? We can reverse that here?" Kit shakes her head. "We think it was something else. This guy from Thailog's side zapped him with a weird ray gun. We took him out, but not before he got Doug. We're trying to find a way to help him get his memory back now." "Oh," Wilek says. "Is that why you came here?" "No, there's another reason," Kit answers. "It has to do with Bardic here." She points at the dragon, who nods. "He needs to talk to you about something." "Okay, speak," Wilek says, but before Bardic can, the same secretary rushes back in. "Sir, we have a transmission from Agent Ripowski on the Avatar!" "What?!" Tom leaps from his seat. "Janice is still up there? You left her behind?!" "She volunteered to stay behind," Miriam corrects. "Help lead those who did." She turns to the secretary. "Show us her transmission right now!" "I don't believe this," Tom grimaces as the secretary nods and presses a remote control.
**RP PAUSED**
Greetings to all CR dwellers. Time for the more I promised last night. <grins> So, in pursuit of catch-up, here goes!
Rodlox: Thanks for the link. The story I saw there was pretty good, if short. Hope the author one day exercises its potential. :)
Shadowrider: I too liked Mononoke. You don't get many movies these days with such strong female lead characters, especially not animated films. The plot and drawing were also excellent, as were the male characters and the script. Glad you're getting the chance to enjoy the film. :) Also good that your fanfic translation is nearly complete now, hope to soon see the finished product. And thanks to you, Archwolf, GXB, and Winterwolf for the welcome-backs.
Assisted Suicide: I don't like that this exists myself, but I do recognize it sometimes helps people. :( To think of what could drive someone to contemplate it, and motivate a friend to agree, disturbs me even more. Unless I'm asked to, I won't make more comment than that. :(
Human Instincts: Don't know if I want to comment on this either, except to say that, yes, humans have them, and yes, we can find ways to work around them. That's one of the many things that seperates us from the animals. But, it's also true that sometimes an instinctive response is the best one, like in the situation of the charging bull vs. the frightened human. Arguably, unless said frightened human is packing a heavy-duty firearm of some kind, there's no way he's gonna get out of that situation without being gored except if he does the instinctive thing, run like hell. Then he just might stay alive. These situations are rare, but they do exist. Point- Humans are smart enough to find ways to evade instincts, but we should also be smart enough to retain them in case they're ever needed. That's all I have to say about that.
Niamhgold: Julia is indeed a little cutie-pie, so much so that she has stolen a lot of hearts. We're hoping right now that she is never given the motivation to break them. <grin> <personally, I think it
may have lacked focus because of the long amount of time it took me> Your story did not lack focus, IMO. It was very focused, every scene seemed well-written and good, with character and plot developments well-written into the dialogue and words. Please do yourself a favor and stop doubting your ability as a storyteller, you definitely have some. At least, Doug and I think so. <shrugs> Maybe we're right. :)
Christine: What? Someone actually picked up your Black Roses novel and decided to publish it? Alright! It's about time!! <long moment of insane cheering> Congratulations, friend! Hope you can make big money selling it and do a Pretty Woman number on all the publishers who rejected you ("Big mistake. BIG mistake. Huge. I have to go spend these royalties now."). Yeah, I know, realistically, there's not much chance of that, but Doug and I are pulling for you. Hope to soon be listening to the novel, and to be reading your other stories. Keep letting us know of the good results of your hard, honest, and wonderful work! <grin>
**BEWARE- SPOILERS FOR TIMEDANCER**
You did a pretty good job on the latest episode, Coyote, Entity, and Aaron. I liked the writing of this story, and the plot was good even with its problems (which I'll get to in a moment). Lady Foxglove's pics are some of the best artwork all season, love the colors and expressions. Just which we'd gotten close-ups of Celer and Robbins as well as Brooklyn. Especially liked the last one of Brooklyn going through the Gate. The writing of the story was also good, with excellent dialoge and charecterization as well as a sense of what the war in 'Nam was like for its soldiers (I was reminded very much of my Dad's stories about it, he was in a MASH back then). Good character development as well. There were only two things I didn't like. One was the story's ending in which we first have Celer dead, then we have him alive again with little explanation as to how it happened. Killing off a character in a story like this and then just bringing him back in the next scene is a no-no in good stories. We should have at least seen Brooklyn do CPR on him or use some other method to get him back, this would develop their characters well and also showcase the horrors of war better. As it were, just bringing him back after he was "killed" ruins any character development effect the emotions Brooklyn went through over his death might have had on Brooklyn, and that's not good. It also brings up my other problem with this story, we didn't really get much development on Celer. Yeah, he accepts his freedom now and all, but we had that in the last story. What I was hoping for in this one was to see him start to experience the wonders of time travel and the future, and react to it instead of just taking it all as part of "what the servant of Poseidon is showing me as I travel with him after our city blew up." His charecterization as a boy tossed out of his world in this story was excellent, IMO, except for the lack of real development, thus it's something we need. We need to see Celer as a developing, changing character, not just a background companion and someone for Brooklyn to talk to during his travels. Hope we get to see that soon. Other than these two points, I liked the story. The plot of it was a bit predictable, like Shadowrider said, but just exciting enough IMO to make one ignore or miss that. The end scene of it was also a little convenient, but so entertaining and hilarious I could forgive. That jerk officer deserved what he got. May the water hazards claim all his balls, and may he get Pauly Shore or someone just as dumb as his caddy. <grins>
**SPOILERS GONE, YOU CAN LOOK BACK NOW :)**
Lady Mystic, Firestorm: Thanks for mentioning and loading those new pics. Hope to be able to use, or at least see, them soon. :)
Garg Biology: Not going to speculate on it, it's not really my field. But I agree that gargs were probably around before humans, so they got stone sleep as an evolutionary mechanism. On a related topic, I also agree that humans probably developed literacy first given the facts that we haven't seen any old books written by gargs in the series as of yet (at least I haven't) and the reason lexy mentioned about the practice of giving names. The answer to whether they ever developed writing outside human influence eludes me though. I don't envy the anthropologist whose job it eventually becomes to find out. :)
Gargs That Resemble Conventional Predators: What about Leo? A lion's a predator, right? So are hawks and falcons, and they're also represented in the London Clan.
Racer X: Welcome. I've agreed with you about Memorial Day for a long time. But then, I've also agreed with what Doug said. Some people say the best way to ease the pain of sad occasions is to celebrate them, others say that's the best way to forget them. In my nearly 21 years of life, I still have not been able to come to a descision as to which viewpoint holds more truth behind it. Thus, I accept both, for now.
Wilek: Re- Phantom Virus> Doug and I have asked Gubio about your problem. He said nothing came to mind immediately upon hearing the name, but he is going to "check his files." Usually that's a bad sign. Hope the virus really isn't in your machine. :( It would really suck for you to have to be posting on a Dreamcast. :(
Gasper: I too will miss your RPs, especially all the ones that never were. :( Hope you still keep coming in here and enjoy it even if you don't do them. :)
That's about all for this time around, I think. See y'all again when it's once more time to play catch-up. Stay well. Later.
**SECOND HELPING OF RP**
"I guess you better believe it," Kit tells Tom as the RP screen comes un-paused and an image of a blasted corridor of the Avatar appears on a wall of the Area 51 conference room. Janice is standing in the middle, and around her are a group of Borg guards charging forward with lasers blasting. "The forces that stayed behind," Wilek explains. "Mephisto destroyed most of our ships, so we couldn't evacuate everyone. Many of our personnel wanted to stay and fight too. We've been trying to send up ships to help them, but they always get shot down. It's very worrisome." He presses a button on the console before his seat. "Agent Ripowski, this is Wilek Nereus. I have the Ravens listening. Go ahead, please." "Mr. Nereus!" Janice shouts back. "We're surrounded, the demons are closing in! My forces are almost out of laser batteries and we don't have any explosives. All the high-powered ones disappeared this morning, and we've used the rest. I fear this may be our last transmission. I wanted to let you know what happened so we aren't missed." She gasps as the station shudders and then turns, just in time to watch several Borg who weren't able to keep their footing get cut down by lightning blasts from demons who were. "Janice," Tom mumbles, about to leap towards the console. Elena and Kit grab his arms, both shaking their heads. "What about assimilating demons?" Wilek asks Janice. "Have you been able to do that?" "No," Janice sighs. "If any Borg get close the demon blasts it too quickly. They're just too powerful. We…" The rest of her sentence is cut off in a scream as a huge shark-man demon with a spear leaps onto Janice and knocks her down, then smashes the communicator. Static fills the screen. "Oh my God," Wilek gasps. "We have to go and save her!" Tom shouts, a hysterical expression on his face. "There's no way we can get there in time," Kit gasps, looking at Wilek. "Or can we? You have a beaming station here, right?" Wilek sighs. "Yeah, but the one on the Avatar got totaled during our escape. We can't get up there that way." "And you said all the ships you sent were shot down," Keith adds. Wilek nods and he grimaces. "You think maybe the force occupying the Avatar is too strong for us?" "No force is too strong for us!" Tom shouts, breaking out of Kit and Elena's grip. "We have to get up there!" "Tom, please, calm down!" Kit says. "Why should he?" Stephanie asks. "This is serious!" "Exactly the reason to remain calm," says Boris. Doug nods, then looks at Wilek. "I don't fully understand what's going on here," he says, "but I think we need to get up there too and save your station. Is there some way we can?" "Honestly," Wilek laments, "I don't know. Like I said, all our ships have been shot down as they approach, Mephisto has full control of the station's gun batteries. Not only that, he's knocked it out of orbit and is heading out of the system with it. Soon it'll be beyond our range." "Then we need to hurry," Lathrop says, "if we're going." "Shap and Shauna are in Atlanta checking out Ted Turner for us," Tricia adds. "Gubio and Erin had to go to the Middle East, Mist went with them. I hope we have enough people here to rescue the Avatar on our own." "Thanks for the explanation," Wilek nods. "What about Jaden? I thought he was with you." "He's dead," says Jammer. "Killed by the same guy that zapped Doug." "Oh," Wilek grimaces. "I'm sorry." "It's okay," Kit says. "We're trying to get over it." "Yeah, and we will!" says Tom. "Can you get us to the Avatar?" "Tom," Kit protests, "we don't even know if we're going!" "We have to!" he insists. "They need us up there!" "Like I said," Wilek sighs, "I don't know if I can get you up there. I'm sorry." "Besides," Miriam says, holding up a sheet of paper the secretary has handed her, "we have another problem. This just came from the Administrator." She hands it to Wilek, who gasps as he looks it over. "Oh my God!" "What?" Kit asks. "What's going on?" "It can wait," Wilek says. "First," he looks at Bardic, "what did you have to discuss with me? I have time now, if it won't take too long to get settled." "Go on," Kit says at the dragon's frown. "Tell him what you need." Bardic sighs and nods, then begins to speak.
**RP IS DONE, THANK YOU (note to Mecord, feel free to blow up the Avatar any time now. I'll also let you do Bardic's speech from here)**
Kitainia
Thursday, June 1, 2000 06:25:21 PM
IP: pool-209-138-63-90.dlls.grid.net
*Cyborg enters with a plate of cookies for Shadowrider*
Shadowrider: Thanks for the correction. <This is not Latin. This is ancient Italian.> My bad. I thought Dante had written it in latin.
*She leaves to fetch him a glass of cyber milk to go with his cyber cookies.*
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Thursday, June 1, 2000 06:23:13 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net
Santa Claus DNA>
Actually, Santa is the first sucessful attempt at cloning a human being. Obviously so, seeing how Santa can travel around the world in one night delivering toys and appear on every street corner. The Santa Clones are the only logical explination.
In fact I've always suspected Jolly Old Elf technology was quite more advanced than our own, even to the point of being able to combine combine genetic engineering and quantum physics. I've long suspected that Rudolf is in fact a relativistic reindeer capable of FTL speeds....
Skippy The Klingon
Thursday, June 1, 2000 06:22:02 PM
IP: uv1cisco01-27.ultravision.net
Cyorg:> <<S'io credesse che mia risposta fosse
A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo
Non torno vivo alcun, s'i'odo il vero,
Senza tema d'infamis ti rispondo. >>
This is not Latin. This is ancient Italian. It is a passage of Dante's "Divina Commedia", taken from the XXVII lyric of the "Inferno". In the poem is Guido da Montefeltro saying it, in the 8th bolgia, the one of the bad advisors. Oh, it is "infamia", not "infamis".
Translation:
"If I believed I am answering
to anyone who is going back to the world
this flame would no more shake
but because of noone will ever
go back from here, if I hear the truth,
I answer you with no fear of shame"
Niamhgold:> I got your message. I'm going to try resending you my fic as I finish here. Why in the world am I supposed to seek for another editor, when I already have the best availabile? Oh, I'm glad you're liking my story for now.
Humans from outer space...I always found it a very fascinating theory...
See tomorrow, I think.
Good night to everyone.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, June 1, 2000 06:11:47 PM
IP: h213-20-251.mi2.albacom.net
***Kyryn sneaks in***
Matthew> *grin* Ask Coyote the Bando about the story sometime. It is, after all, "based loosely on a true account."
Niamhgold> Well, if Mr. and Mrs. Claus have children, would we then have 'sub' Clauses?
Note: As an editor, it was too good to resist.
***Kyryn runs out of the room to avoid potential showers of rotten fruit.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, June 1, 2000 06:03:01 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129
** Niamhgold enters in a very much more placid mood **
:) :) :) :D
Ahh. Nothing like a warm, 80-degree day to settle the mind. I love the three H's; hazy, hot, and humid ;)
Mecord: Very interesting point about the Gargoyle/Arthur sleep spell. I totally agree. The Grimorum, which contained the spell for the infamous "until the castle rises above the clouds" spell must have been written by someone familiar with Avalon (thus, the spell to *get* to Avalon). Additionally, Arthur was put to peaceful rest by a spell from Avalon (when Morgana brought him there on the skiff), and Oberon uses a sleep spell in "The Gathering, Part 1" to keep Manhattan's humans out of the Xanatos battle. And the Weird Sisters do the same to Demona and MacBeth in "City of Stone Pt 5." It probably has something to do with Oberon's decree against *directly* interfering in human affairs. Putting people to sleep is almost natural; killing them would obviously be a *huge* breach of this cardinal rule. (Now that I think of it, I don't think the Grimorum Arcanorum had, or would have had, a spell meant to kill or destroy a human or gargoyle...right?)
BTW, have a great vacation, Mec!
Revel: Ouch, that burn's gotta sting! :0
Shadowrider: I won't throw fruit at you! Gargoyles being aliens is not an odd idea--when you could consider the relatively recent theory that humans, themselves, are not of Earth (and my prominent theory, which, in my Physics class, once led to a mind-boggling philosophical discussion about infinity...woo-hoo!) You're probably right about my derned server being the culprit of the problems you had sending your story--check your e-mail for a message about that problem from me.
Santa Claus stuff: Hmm...I guess it could be possible to have more Santas if (a) a transdimensional portal opened up or (b) someone got ahold of his DNA and decided to make some clones (ooh, wouldn't Sevarius just love that!). But I think the plural of Santa Claus is "Santa Clauses," since, when people talk about Mr. and Mrs. Claus, they call them the Clauses (from those old claymation X-mas movies). Hope that helps! :)
Goliath Moulting: *LOL* Probably explains why he can get so moody sometimes--it'll be between his hair-feathers and Cagney's cat hair that'll have Elisa running around her apartment with a Suck-O-Matic :D
Rodlox: Hmmm...I don't yet know if I've decided on a line of descent for gargoyles. For my fics, I doubt that I'm going to have them descended from one of the two races, and I don't like the idea of them having been *created.* I rather like the concept of having developed as their own species--whether alien or not.
In this debate, I'm starting to wonder how the Loch Ness monster fits into everything--if Gargoyles are descended from dinosaurs in some form or fashion, would that make Nessie a brother/sister? Is *that* why Angela had such a mutual kinship with the creature, when humans, apparently, could not? If so, then where is the Gargoyle's missing link? And then you get into the whole debate that arose with Darwin's proposition that humans evolved from apes--if unevolved Nessie exists at the same time as supposedly evolved gargoyles, how can *that* be explained? Nessie did not seem to have a form of stone sleep. And Nokkar--there's anothe possibility. How do we know that humans and gargoyles didn't evolve from a species of alien that once tried to take over the planet? Humans from Nokkar, Gargoyles from something else? And maybe Nokkar *is* the missing link....
AAchh! Too hot to be wracking my brain! Really, I'm going to finish up now!
Winterwolf: **Grins** I post with the Weird Sisters because, tied with Matt Bluestone, they are my favorite characters of the show :) Not my real sisters, though...I've always wondered what it would be like to have a twin, or more, but then decided there's only room for *one* wacky Niamhgold (and imagine the odd names *they'd* come up with for the CR--we'd start getting things like MannananLir and Nuadasilver... ;))
All right, I'd better leave before the sun goes away!
Adios!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 05:49:18 PM
IP: lac-flex214.ncia.net
Robby------Hm....your idea is interesting...an earlier version. It's a good idea. And actually, I can do that. Some things then. And this is kinda non negotiable on my part. Sorry to be a Hard@55. An earlier version of Gasper would be around the level of the level of Vegeta during Sayian Saga, which is about 17,000, with a kaio ken x's 20 of up to 24k,and that should be more then enough. Attacks come with use of some KI powers, though not all, Magical mastery of mid to high level spells including Such spells as Ultima and and Luminare. and my spear. A note on my Kaio Ken is that I'm not Sayian, so I don't have my power level that high. How's that sound to you? I'd like to be included, and we can call that stuff my character said was just overconfidence. If someone can write in my character, for meeting with someone else's character, it'd be great. What do you think Robby? This is about the power level I start with in my fic LegionQuest. Though I tend to grow in power over time. But so do we all.
If you need, Robby, I have a reference on how my fighting level is, and that would be my good friend Nanaki, the writer of Tempo Trigger and Origins and Aftermath of Mount Woe. Contact me and I'll get a hold of him, or just do a search in Yahoo for those stories, and you'll find his address.
SOrry about last night, if I came off as pissy. For working in the halls, I'm doing a TON of moving of furniture. Stuff that's Heavy, and makes me come home in a bad mood. Sorry. Anyway, that's all forom me. Robby, everyone, let me know if this form of Gasper is okay, and better to use, and if you'll take me back in the RP. I'd love to join, and #4 sounds like a person that would be fun to tangle with.
Later.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Thursday, June 1, 2000 05:45:08 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
You know, Timdedancer is getting to be a bit like Dr. Who. For those who've never seen it, Dr. Who is a British sci-fi series where the title character, The Doctor, travels through time and space in the TARDIS(acronym for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space) much like Brooklyn and the Phoenix Gate. Throughout the series, The Doctor is accompanied by a succession of companions whose membership changes every so often as he meets new ones and drops off old ones when they choose to stop travelling with him. This is a little like Brooklyn, travelling with Sata, then that pain Payne :) and now Celer.
**TD Spoilers**
Not bad at all. I wonder, if Celer hadn't come along, would that Major have ordered Robbins to stay behind so he could fit in his golf clubs? He certainly sounded like your usual **MASH** non-medical officer and the area was "officially" secure.
Sorta reminds me of "Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles" where the Intel the Roughnecks get is invariably flawed, if not outright incorrect.
**End TD Spoilers**
**RP- THE TEN**
A few days after #4's broadcast, Matthew soldered one last connection and closed the metal plate over it. He stood up and looked at his work. Lying on the table was a green suit of powered armor, about the height of a man. The faceplate had a metal dragon's snout right below an opaque red visor. This was the armor of the hero known as Dragon Warrior, who was secretly Matthew himself, though everyone thought someone else wore the armor, or that Dragon warrior himself was a robot.
Matthew pressed a button on a nearby console and the armor compressed into Matthew's familiar beltbuckle. He picked it up and secured it on his belt. Just then, a klaxon blared. Checking the monitor, Matthew saw that one of Dragon Warrior's rogues gallery was causing trouble in the city.
"As good a time as any to test the new upgrades." he said and pressed his beltbuckle. A spectacular transformation scene ensued(sorry you can't see it since this is text :P) as his armor appeared around him. [Dragon Warrior Online] came his modulated voice. Dragon Warrior stepped onto a platform which rose through a hole in the ceiling. [Let's see how fast I can get there without the Dragon Wing] and he ignited his boot jets to blast off, heading for the city.
** End RP for now**
Matthew - [matts1@bellatlantic.net]
New City, NY, USA
Thursday, June 1, 2000 05:25:17 PM
IP: adsl-151-202-107-82.bellatlantic.net
Geez, why is everytime I go on vacation or a leave for a few days all of the good topics always come up ? Oh well.
Anyway I'm in Mississippi right now on my aunt's computer, I'll be here for two weeks. *shudders* Why me...
I'll post about the topics later, just wanted to show up to see what's up with everyone.
*sees Robby and rushes over to him, hugging him so tightly that he turns blue*
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 03:05:24 PM
IP: slip-32-101-115-32.ms.us.prserv.net
**Mecord enters with a half packed suit case and a clothes hamper**
Going on a trip for the weekend.
A thought just occurred to me while reading posts. The Gargoyles survived a thousand years stone sleep suffering no errosion or damage whatsoever. I thought 'how could that be?' then I thought, 'could it be magic or some unknown nature of gargoyle sleep?' Then I realized a possibility. The spell that locked them in a stone sleep may have also protected them. Remember the conditions were that they would sleep until the castle rose above the clouds. The conditions were not until the castle rose above the clouds or someone bring a sledge hammer. Now, whoever invented this spell would know that this would practically be forever, or until another mage comes along and lifts the castle by magic. If the spell were used on a human they would not turn to stone, just sleep like king Arthur. In fact I think the two spells are related. The spell was not meant to kill and I think purposly so. Therefore the spell would keep them safely sleeping until the spells terms were met or the counterspell used. Did any of that make sense?
RP power levels>> I don't know much about powerlevels but here's a few estemated guesses. The lowest power level of my characters would probably be Senthet. She is trained first as a thief and a leader and has magical skills as well as combat. Her power I would guess would be around 500 for base. Then ther is Thicarrn. A natural fighter though lacking on the magical skills. Later he joined the Guild and trained as a thief. He would have a power just above that of Senthet, around 550-600. Lithanne would come next. She is a trained assasin with supurb magical skills who was one of the tougher badguys untill she was convinced to join the guild by her brother. Power level for her would probably be over 1,000. Then there's Mecord. Trained also as a thief he shows incredible potential with Magic. Maximum power level is unknown, I'll explain more in a bit. Then there is the dragon Bardic. being the most pwerfull among the adult dragons, normally he would probably be an even match for this #4 lady (um, okay with a little help). However, Earth is having a strange affect, sapping the dragons power less with the elves though they too are affected. Without aid from the mastergem he can only reach a pathetic 5,000 when well rested, which he hasn't been for a while. Then there's the little dragon girl Lloky. She is an unknown. Her power easily exceeds that of Bardic. However, because of a traumatic past she rarely uses more than what is nessisary at the time. But because this is earth it would put her about the same as Bardic. Back to Mec, well, those who've been following my RP just found he's really a human. I'm not really sure how t classify this human's power, other than to say he could easily destroy little miss 4. But the human rarely comes out, and at present it doesn't look like Mec will even combat 4. Truthfuly, I don't know if a battle with #1 would draw out the human wizard, the terms are very specific. Lastly I should mention the mastergem. The gem can enhance and focuse power, for those who know how, up to 10x. Don't wory, nobody here knows how to magnify power with it more than 2x. I should also say that none of my characters rely on power alone. What makes them dangerous is stealth, intelligence, and conservative use of their power.
Well, after all that may hap a short RP.
*****RP*****
Thicarrn detonated the explosives. The Avatar shuddered from the blast. Mephisto looked to the minor demons and demanded to know what had just happened.
"The thrusters have been destroyed," came the report, "We're drifting in space, we can't manuever!"
"What? Well fix it!"
"Sir," called another demon, "we're being caught by the gravitational force of an asteroid belt."
At Area 51 several eyes watched the Ravens.
"I see him, there, walking away with the others."
"We will approach the prince when he returns."
*****End RP*****
Later.
Mecord
Thursday, June 1, 2000 02:04:35 PM
IP: usr62.mtwest.net
Hello Cyborg, the human cybernetic organism, welcome back to the CR! Be careful! New moon tonight.
You know you have been playing to much NetHack when...
Well, you know it's a new moon (-2 to luck) when your father is carted off in an ambulance at one in the morning. Who is the god of lawfull cyborgs, is it Hermes or Asimov? I think I need to find an alter and make a sacrifice.
Wilek: <make them droids, otherwise they might get killed along with the prisoners.> We can't rely on the prisoners not to make alliances with eachother, even with the imperative. I think the droids would work best, after all, every good labyrinth needs a minotaur.
Lexy: Did you ever get my e-mail? I never got a response.
Gside: For some reason, I can not get your MP3s to work on my Gnome desktop, any ideas how to fix that?
Latin: Cyber cookie to anyone who can not only translate this, but also reference it. (hint: my Intro. to Lit. class)
S'io credesse che mia risposta fosse
A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo
Non torno vivo alcun, s'i'odo il vero,
Senza tema d'infamis ti rispondo.
Gargoyle evolution: Dinosaurs may not have had scales. Recent studies have revealed that they may all have been really big birds. That would mean that the time was right for gargoyles to evolve long before human ancestry was about. And just to make things interesting, stone sleep may not have evolved as a defence mechanism to preditors, but as protection from a change in environment, such as the change that knocked off the rest of the dinosaurs.
Of course, I belive that gargoyles are decended from a group of angels that ended up on Earth, and became mortal (too long a stay on Earth, cross- breading with dragons or humans or something, as a punishment, in order to carry out the command to protect, or were originally mortal, etc.)
Making of gargoyle wings: I never played with 'constructs', but have you ever seen those dog leashes that coil the unused portion inside the handle? If you were to take a simmilar but smaller version of that mechanism, (I think it is spring- loaded, but I'm not sure) and add a small motor to release the string at the command of a trigger (a switch or button)... I wish I had a pad of paper to draw what I mean, I'm better with schematics than describing things. I can never remember the names of the components. Just give me a screwdriver and I'll build it for you in an afternoon.
Assisted suicide: I can understand why someone commiting Hari Kiri (sp. Japanese ritual disembowelment) would need a second, that is for honour's sake. However, I do not believe that anyone who wants to die because they are depressed or because they are sick, living with too much pain, and can not be cured, should need help to do it. One part of being suicidal is obsessing about the act of killing yourself, you think up many possible ways of doing it- without help. If someone is serious about dying, they don't need a friend to kill them, because their own hand will be sure enough for the task. I guess what I mean with all this is that I agree with and accept suicide, but not assisted suicide. No one can be so enfeebled that they can not find some way to die.
*Cyborg leaves the room to have the dose of prozac, the double dose of sleeping pills, and the overdose of extra strength robaxtacet pumped from her stomach at a 3000 mile check- up.*
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Thursday, June 1, 2000 01:49:12 PM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net
Well yesterday I was reminded of a very important summer time in Texas lesson. Sun block is a good thing.
My back is so red right now if I had a pair of wings and white hair you could pass me off as a Brooklyn impersinator. Until I turned around of course.
***TD SPOILER AND PERSONAL OPINION***
Been a while since I had a chance to read Timedancer as soon as it hits the screen. But I'll have to hand it to Coyote, this was an interesting topic to hit upon. Vietnam is something that even my father does not like to talk about. There were a lot of people he knew that were sent that never came back and it is a touchy subject overall. Schools won't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Anyhow, the oxymoron of pairing "military" and "intellegence" in the same line was more than perfect considering the time period. The character of the First Lieutenant was right on the mark too. Most LTs that were sent to Nam were right out of ROTC at the Acadamey and had learned warfare "By the Book." Vietnam was the farthest thing from it. Despite it's length and lack of detailing of the other soldiers it was very good especially where Brook punches the guy in the bar. Kick A$$.
The Pictures were some of the best I've seen this season so everyone should be proud.
***END***
Stone sleep topic- It's accually not too far fetched that nature would be able to create a type of suspended animation where science is just scratching the surface. Aspects of nature, such as human senses and nuerological signals are things that have been with us ever since our creation and we're only now begining to be able to mimic these things. Mother nature is far more advanced than we will ever be.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Thursday, June 1, 2000 01:47:01 PM
IP: spider-wd023.proxy.aol.com
<Peeks in>
Rodlox> Laura Dern: oh, yes, now I remember her...I liked her a lot in "Jurassic Park".
<<..even so, post your ideas and theories....>> I'll do immediately. Thank you.
<<...he/she was also asking...>> Just for the record...I'm a man. (If I was a woman, they would have not called me to M.S....)
Gargoyle biology and evolution:> Some time ago I was discussing with a friend right about it...Actually, I think we cannot apply the common criteriums of evolution and genetic selection to the Gargoyles. If you go and see any animal species, in fact, you see that individual differences are relatively minor, involving skin color (and in certain limits...I've seen black cats, white cats and grey cats, but I still have to see a green cat), facial features (and with some limits even here...I've never seen a cat with a beak) and so on...but a cat, no matter his race, has always four legs, is furry, and so on. In every animal species, there are a big number of features that are constant, and a relatively small number of variables. It does not apply to the Gargoyles: in fact, not only their skin color varys with almost every possible tone, and their facial features are often drastically different from each other (Imagine to look at the models of the heads (only the heads) of Goliath and Brooklyn: would you say they belong to the same species?), but even some main features, like the number of limbs or their disposition, or the shape of wings, have a lot of drastic variations. The stone sleep, then, has no real equivalent in nature: an hibenation in fact does not imply such a massive and drastic change in the chemical constitution of a being, and I don't see from what the stone sleep could have evolved. Conclusion: the Gargoyles did not evolve from any previous animal species, not of this world at least. Instead, I feel to propose a couple of theories: first, they do derive from another species, but not by natural evolution (magic, for example, or...genetic manipulation by unknown aliens who visited Earth thousands years ago...I watch too much X-Files...;))...or...<prepares to duck rotten fruit>...the Gargoyles themselves are aliens! They accidentally came on our world in ancient times, and in millenniums they forgot their true origin...
Hmm...I'm starting to delrate...but, anyway, my point is this: the common rules of evolution cannot be applied to the Gargoyles.
*** TIMEDANCER SPOILER ***
Hmm, I have to admit that this week's story didn't impress me so much. A bit predictable and it seemed to me its only purpose was to show how Robbins lost his eyesight...actually, in the story doesn't happen a lot more. To now, Celer doesn't impress me so much as well, but I think it is too soon to judge. The story is well written as usual, but the conclusion (Brooklyn punching down that Major) seemed to me a bit banal too, I'm positive I've seen such a scene already, and not once. Instead, I liked a lot artworks. Particularily the second one, the close frame of Brooklyn in a bad mood hidding in the grass, and the third too.
Hmmm...maybe the story is not that bad and I am seeing it that way...actually, now I'm eagerly waiting for the Reunion (and any smart one who asks "Reunion of who?" will have to duck flying rotten eggs...), so anything else happens in the meantime seems to me unsignificant...
***END SPOILER***
Warpmind:> Hmmm...your translation could fit, but I'm not sure...as I said, "Fero" has a lot of meanings, "To bear" included, and from "Manus" is difficult to take any hint about the phrase structure...
Kyrin:> Thank you for explaining that "Dern", fog has slightly cleared up now...
Nothing more now.
Ciao!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, June 1, 2000 01:27:07 PM
IP: h213-20-20.mi2.albacom.net
Just read current episode of Timedancer "Abandonment". Very nice
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, June 1, 2000 01:11:31 PM
IP: dt042n8f.san.rr.com
*Warpmind pops in.*
Just read the new ep... Magnificent work; great deal with Robbins there, and a nice finish by Brooklyn. :) Nice job, Coyote.
Rodlox: Iron hand by Owen Burnett? Hmmm... no comment. Either way, that ship is space shrapnel now... (They call me the Decolonizer, and with no reference to colonies...) As for the beasts who swallow rock, well, that is to aid digestion, not as nutrients... but I see your point.
Shadowrider: So ferre does not mean iron? *Ponder* So, a valid translation might be "Bears Arms", considering it's a capital starship we're talking about? (Modified Corvette, as I recall it... don't know for sure; I tend to lose track of the ships I destroy, there are so many of them...)
Robby: Okay, okay, I'll give... :) Considering Elton John wrote the stuff for Disney, in the studios (most likely), I'll admit defeat here. ;)
Rodlox: Plural of Santa Claus? Uh... Santas? Santa Clausii? Really, there *is* just one of him, so the whole debate is pretty much pointless. :)
SJ: RP character power levels? And how in the world is a person without access to the necessary background information supposed to be able to estimate this? The great tragedy here is that this Dragon Ball stuff has never been available in Norway (along with a massive pile of other comics, cartoons and various such things that I could mention - Gargoyles included (best import investment I ever made)) and as such renders me completely uninformed on the relative calculations... help?
Wilek: Oh, one thing I have worked out for the maze... the Statuette Doorlock; a small niche in which to place a certain statuette (out of a random choice of six different ones, with minor differences in weight). Think "Raiders of the Lost Ark"... ]:)
Well, there ya go for today. Later, people. (Note that I refuse to use the derogatory term "humans".) ;)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, June 1, 2000 12:29:34 PM
IP: mp-217-216-235.daxnet.no
Wilek:
<<<Skippy> <<I heard there is going to be another Sith in this one, the name I keep hearing is Darth Rage.>> I heard something about a Darth Legion and a Sith witch. Wonder if any of this is correct>>>
I heard that the Sith Witch was an early for Phantom Menace. Could be they are bringing it back for #2. As for prequel rumors, the Force.net has a pretty good track record.The also host the Virtual Edition Website, it's a computer composite image story board for the TPM,and they are under way of developing one for Episode Two...
Skippy The Klingon
Thursday, June 1, 2000 12:21:29 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-08.ultravision.net
Kyryn: i know...but he/she was also asking if there was/wasn't an actress with that name as well. sorry for any confusion.
Winterwolf: try now....{odd though - it usually waits 'till i have 3000k+ in there to start bouncing}. hmm.
Rodlox
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:29:39 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Rodlox> "Dern" is a dialect version of the expletive "darn" (i.e., Darn it!), which is itself the toned down version of another expletive.
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:25:55 AM
IP: 216.35.46.129
I haven't read the CR since I posted last night so I don't want anyone to feel like I'm ignoring his or her posts. I just have two quick posts. My normal post will be later. I still have to read the new TD!
Rodlox> I tried to send you an email but I got a message that you've exceeded your quota. :( Let me know when I can resend or if you got it anyway.
Janine> I'm glad that made sense to you. I'd love to hear how you worked out the details. ^_^
Off to read TD!
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:24:43 AM
IP: 206.15.122.13
*RP WARNING*
no RPs this time...i introduced boht my characters, now i'm not going to push.
***END RP***
Shadowrider: <<Gargoyles biology and instincts:> Interesting debates! I have nothing to say (I had something about biology, but it has gone past by the discussion),>> even so, post your ideas and theories....it might spark further enlightenment for yourself {and maybe for the rest of us too}. :)
<<What means "Dern"? Has it a meaning, or it is just a name (I seem to recall of an actress with such a family name...) >> Laura Dern, of _Jurassic Park_ and _October Sky_ fame.
<<I once saw a thing at the Archive that speculated that gargoyle 'hair' was actually very thin feathers, like those found on some flightless birds.>> that might’ve been mine.
...but can you imagine Elisa’s surprise when Goliath starts moulting?
interesting note: flying birds tend to moult all at once, making them unable to fly.....flightless birds moult in small amounts year-round.
out of curiousity, how many fanfic writers here have?:
1) decided on an [arbitrary] line of descent/anatomy for gargoyles, and/or - 2) posted their decision in the Archive? {in whatever form, be it essay, story, or other}.
and, how many essays are in this Archive? {before i posted mine, i only saw one - back when there was a seperate page for the one-work writers}.
Robby: <<Granted, when they are still young and infantile having their age freezing may slow things mental development some since infants need several months of actual development time, including when they're asleep, before their brains are big enough to work properly. (But on the same note, we don't know how fast gargoyle children mature...) >> and there’s another factor involved as well: human, chimpanzees, and other primates have heads that grow even after they’re born - to allow them to pass through the hips. would a garg hatchling’s head be finished growing, owing to the large egg-size?...or would they continue to grow, much as a human?
for that matter, shouldn’t the eggs themselves grow? {weren’t they Lex-sized in the early eps?}. ooh...i’m picking up overtones of _Mork&Mindy_ here.... :)
<<This looks like a job for the Son’s of Ether, rather than archeologists and biologists.>> for the - who??
Starsinger: <<Anyone else catch the 'Senator Kelly' ad on Scifi channel?>> if they show that one more time....somebody gonna get hurt - in RP, of course..
Christine: <<Rodlox > thank you! I look forward to seeing your pic of Fia!>> ::glares at scanner:: if a certain *something/body* would try working.....{i had in mind a pterosaur originally anyway...though the wings don’t look long enough anymore.}.
<<Stone sleep, garg origins, etc. > wow, I hope I can finish "Lylth" tonight, because it'll explain my personal fanfic universe views on the matter!>> okay!! {can you tell i’m excited?...though i think i may have to revamp my own essay soon anyway - updating}.
<< Spent most of last night working on the random garg tables, and they turned out very neat, IMO!>> can’t wait to see them!!
Rodlox
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:10:37 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
***Kyryn sneaks in***
Wilek> Click my name for a link to Norton/Symantec's listing on the "Phantom" Virus. If you are using Norton, you might want to simply download the latest update.
Whew! Eight more hours and I'm off to A-kon. I'll probably be offline for most of the weekend then.
Robby, Aaron, David G., Skippy, Spike, and whoever else is attending the con> I'll look forward to seeing at least some of you.
Robby and Aaron> If you're hanging with Elin and crew, or the AP crowd, I'll probably run into you.
Christine> Congrats on the book-on-tape deal. Those are pretty popular with drivers who have to commute any distance here in Texas.
Later All!
***Kyryn sneaks out***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, June 1, 2000 11:01:11 AM
IP: 216.35.46.129
Virus news> This is starting to look like a false alarm--I've scanned every single file on my hard disk (all 85,000+ of them; most boring 2.5 hours of my life) and everything came up clean. The virus hasn't been detected in memory since. Maybe my scanner just panicked? Hm. I'm currently in the process of scanning everything again; if it reads clean again, I'm presuming my scanner just spazzed. (Doug, has Gubio ever heard of this Phantom virus?)
Gside> <<Why? Because then everyone will be dependant on me and only me for new and interesting music. But still, trying to hone in on my territory, eh? I may just have to defend myself, heh heh...>> I see this as cooperation rather than competition--with two people providing MP3s instead of one, customers will recieve twice the interesting music. ^_^ <<They give away tildes for guessing the rpg quote in the title bar.>> Been there. Kewl little place. Heh, they use tildes as prizes, I use them as throwing weapons (they come back just like boomerangs)... :P <<How about when you drop a baby? They always bring their arms and legs togeter as if to grab a branch/arm/etc.>> <ka-BLINK> Did...you discover this emperically? O_o <<And have them break if they use the wrong one.>> >:) Very nice... <<Scales and feathers grow out of follicles that point out. Hair follicles are recessed. Therefore, how can a scaled (or feathered) being also grow hair?>> I once saw a thing at the Archive that speculated that gargoyle 'hair' was actually very thin feathers, like those found on some flightless birds. <<To continue the Latin trend: Santae Clai.>> Isn't Santa Claus from Germanic or Slavic (not sure which)? ;)
Warpmind> <<a bunch of similar locks and vastly different-looking keys, with slightly different key patterns, so while all the keys fit in all the locks... only one key can open each lock... ]:) And, when the wrong lock is used, a *very* nasty surprise appears. Maybe a nest of diamondbacks could be convenient? ]:)>> Also very nice. >8) <<I will try to scan the first sketches I have; I'm sure the Jacob's Gate will be to your tastes, as will Incinerator Lane... ]:)>> OOOOoohhhh...<drool> ^_^
Rodlox> <<that’s generally called “skipping a generation”>> I suspected as much. :) I kinda found it odd that a beak would skip a generation, but I guess anything can...<<<<Since only two species turn to stone.>> gargoyles and - ?>> Gargoyle beasts, like Bronx. (They're a separate species from humanoid gargs, but they're closely related.)
Cyborg> <<I like it, but you are forgeting the goons who hunt to kill the prisoners.>> We'd have to make them droids, otherwise they might get killed along with the prisoners. ;) Although...we could put several prisoners at a time in a maze and tell them that if any more than one of them leaves, all will be killed. >;D
Fire Storm> <<Nope. It was in shop class.>> Ah. [Note to self: Fire Storm's shop class worships the powers of darkness. Hire priests or white witches for deprogramming.] <<Got a friend with a computer? Make a anti-virus boot disk.>> My computer came with a boot disk, but the disk doesn't load high memory drivers so there's not enough memory for the DOS scanner to run. :/ <<OR... Welcome to Dreamcast Internet!>> <twitchtwitch> Please kill me.
Skippy> <<I heard there is going to be another Sith in this one, the name I keep hearing is Darth Rage.>> I heard something about a Darth Legion and a Sith witch. Wonder if any of this is correct...
Robby> <<I just thought you weren't being fair when you compared it to ALL American music, considering our 500 year history and all...>> Heh...when I think of American music, I'm in the perhaps unfortunate habit of thinking of things like Britney Spears and Guns And Roses. :} <<are you saying you didn't like the songs in the Lion King?>> Quite the opposite, actually...why? O_o
Jenna> <<You won't believe it!!!! My hubby just got offered a graphics job in a gaming company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>> I am so jealous. ;) Congratulations!
Racer X> <<Since Memorial day has just passed us, it occurred to me that we have an odd way of celebrating tragic events. Does anyone else feel odd? What I mean is a war will occur, thousands of loved ones will die, and what is our reaction to this tragic event? We get a day or two off to go and party. Now, I realize that this was not ment to happen per say. We receive the vacation time to, hopefully, remember our lost heros. But is that really what most ppl do? I had never really considered it before today, but it is almost amusing. Uncle Ted died in battle, so today we skip school and have hotdogs. *shrugs* I don't really have any profound material to back this up. I just thought I'd point it out and see what other ppl had to say. Any comments on this thought?>> I've had similar thoughts about Good Friday. Near as I can tell, humans simply have a warped sense of humour. ;)
Winterwolf> <<How many CR dwellers have fanfic? I've decided to start checking it out.>> I do, at the Archive or my name link, but be warned, it's not the best stuff out there...<<Make it tougher by having some keys turn clockwise to open other counterclockwise. Then if you turn it the wrong way you also get a big surprise.>> Another wonderfully evil idea. >:) <<Actually Niamhgold tossed one out recently.>> Ah. Somehow I missed that one. :} <<Zort! I mean... a monkey in a tutu would neva do the tango. Troz! Aha ha ha haa! (If you could only hear me you would be afraid. Very afraid.)>> Very nice...Sign here to register with the company directory and report to your workstation. ~_^
Doug> <<Spooky. :) Wonder what this Nereus stuff is (hope to one day find out).>> I think it might have something to do with communications...quite possibly with Nereus Technologies (it's a real corporation; be very afraid)... O_O'
Aaron> <<Hope you can get it straightened out.>> Thanks for the well wishes, to you and everyone else who offered them. :)
SJ> $<<RP power levels: You know, we've never actually discussed this in here before. Maybe we should try and approximate the power levels of the various RP players, just for fun. It's relevant if we're gonna be taking on The Ten DBZ style.>> Interesting...heh, my characters fight in such an un-DBZ manner that power levels are irrelevant...Anoth Mitaxis, for example. If, say, Goku attacked him, Anoth would, rather than meeting power with power as seems to be the DBZ paradigm, hover out of the way of the attack and administer the patented Vader Tracheal Handjob or Palpatine Electrical Parade. Poof, no more Goku. ^_^ Or Commander Khesaat... [Goku: "Kamehameha!" Khesaat: <yawns, draws gunblade, shoots Goku between eyes>] ehehehe >:) $
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, June 1, 2000 10:39:30 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com
Oh, finally my connection works again. I spent half of night trying to connect, but connection always stopped working after a few minutes. Oh, well, now I'm here and it is important. By the way...<Takes out a Great Axe coming straight from Diablo> Mr. DC? Mr. DC? Here, DCDCDCDCDC...! Come, little one, I have a beautiful thing for you...
*Assisted suicide*
SJ:> Yes, I have a talent in finding troubles. Well, I don't feel I share totally your point; although I'm quite sure I would have never the courage to "euthanasize" anyone, I could maybe accept it for me, under certain circumstances...Actually your point is the one of Italian law. I don't know exactly how the thing works in U.S., but here euthanasia is totally illegal. The guy who assisted his friend in suicide, as I said, is in jail and his crime is homicide of consentient...a bit less serious than a conscious homicide, but just a bit. A note: the dead guy's parents (he was 27, by the way, and the other is 26) have said that they understand and forgive the friend for what he did.
Winterwolf:> Thanks for sharing your point and experience. I feel I somehow agree with what you say. Hm, well, I still feel confused about it, but at least getting a little opinions has made me feel better. Now I will see how this story ends...
*end assisted suicide stuff*
Jenna:> I apologize, I forgot yesterday night: Congratulations to your husband for his job. I'm glad to hear things are all right for you and yours.
Gargoyles biology and instincts:> Interesting debates! I have nothing to say (I had something about biology, but it has gone past by the discussion), but I follow it with great interest.
Boba Fett:> Maybe my preferred character in Star Wars...so, he's gonna have a major role in the next movie, isn't it? Seems I will be forced to see it...
Doug:> So you liked Princess Mononoke, isn't it? You'll be glad to know it is having a big success here, very superior to the distributor's previsions. In Milano, for example, it started in jus two theaters, and now, afer four weeks, is is in fifteen theaters. Hey, if you really want to see it in big screen, you can make a jump here...in at least one theater it is in English...;)
Janine:><<...the gargoyle that looks like Brooklyn in the opening sequence Gargoyles, I always thought it was Brooklyn's father. >> I believed I was the only one who remembered that detail...I think you're right: if that Gargoyle is not Brooklyn's father, is strictly related for sure...
Niamhgold:> You're welcome for the translation. Strangely enough, I'm enjoying resuming Latin...I like it now really more than I used to do in HS...
I'm sad of hearing you couldn't post your posters. About your problem, there's one thing I remembered right now...well, as a couple of days ago I sent to you my final translation, I tried with a Word file attached to my post, but I received a message saying that they couldn't deliver it because of a "Data overflow". I think it was sent by your server, because of if it was sent by mine one, the message was supposed to be in Italian, and instead the message was in English. As I tried sending the translation in .TXT, so very smaller file, it was all right. Is it possible that your server has a limit in the amount of data you can post in one time?
Gside:> Thank you for the explanation but...I probably am more confused now than before. What means "Dern"? Has it a meaning, or it is just a name (I seem to recall of an actress with such a family name...)
Ok, I'm gonna read Timedancer now. See later or tomorrow.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Thursday, June 1, 2000 10:28:25 AM
IP: h213-16-193.mi2.albacom.net
Wow, do I get to be the first one with TD spoilers? Cool.
***TD Spoilers***
This one was kind of fun. I liked the way Brooklyn and Robbins never quite interacted. I suppose Brooklyn didn't have time in ancient greece to drop Celer off somewhere. If he'd had the chance to leave the kid on the front steps of a temple to Diana in front of several witnesses, the Celer could have written his own ticket... It's going to be interesting to see how Celer works as a companion. Sata and even Payne were pretty well able to take care of themselves. Celer is going to take more watching.
On the down side for this episode, the action didn't really grab me. It wasn't BAD, I just didn't feel much intensity. Maybe I'm just having a bad day. I was up late last night.
***End Spoilers***
One other thing. There's a movie playing called Time Code. Go see it. Now. Leave work or whatever and find a theater playing it. The concept is too cool to ignore.
The way they shot the movie was using four synchronized digital cameras in four continuous shots. No editing. All four cameras are displayed on the screen at the same time with sound editing to make it all almost coherrent. The actors all improvised their lines based on an outline, rather than memorizing a script. They shot the movie 15 times, and every one was different. The one playing in theaters is take 15.
Go see it. It's cool.
That is all.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, June 1, 2000 10:22:31 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3
AAARG! And I just accidentally posted to the wrong CR... Oii... Thats what I get for having the bookmarks so close together...
Robby
Thursday, June 1, 2000 10:12:40 AM
IP: spider-wm058.proxy.aol.com
Congrats to everyone who deserves congratulating before I leave...
Gargs maturity- Um, I think people are confusing genuine aging with experiance. The thought seems to be "Since gargoyles sleep in stone half the time, their maturity level must be cut in half." which I don't get. Most humans sleep like 8 hours a day. Gargs sleep for 12. So? Having your natural aging process frozen while you SLEEP shouldn't make any difference on how much information you absorb while awake. If a gargoyle has had twenty years of awake periods every nights, then a gargoyle has had twenty years to learn every night. Despite their body looking 10 years old, they've had twenty years to learn night after night, right?
Granted, when they are still young and infantile having their age freezing may slow things mental development some since infants need several months of actual development time, including when they're asleep, before their brains are big enough to work properly. (But on the same note, we don't know how fast gargoyle children mature...)
As far as characters on the show acting young, (Brooklyn being a brash 20 year old instead of a wizened 40 year old and Angela being a bit naive...) I think a part of that comes from the fact Greg probably didn't know about the slower aging himself until later in the series. I mean, it was never even brought up until Grief...
Ah well, I';m off to A-kon now, see you guys again Monday or Tuesday!
Robby
Thursday, June 1, 2000 10:11:17 AM
IP: spider-wm058.proxy.aol.com
*runs back in*
Sorry, forgot that there were David Boreanaz aka Angel fans in this room. >> Valentine: Another serial killer flick scheduled for release also on Valentine's Day is this
thriller from Director Jamie Blanks ("Urban Legend"). The Hollywood Reporter announces that David Boreanaz (TV's "Angel") has just signed on to the lead role of a college nerd who is victim of a vicious practical joke from four women. Ten years later he's become handsome & successful - but still is out for revenge and kills them one by one on each successive February 14th. This is Boreanaz's first major feature role, and his commitment to it will be
organised around his work on "Angel". "
*runs back out*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, June 1, 2000 06:37:39 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com
*sneaks in*
Star Wars: Episode II: News: >> "Actor Jimmy Smits (TV's "NYPD Blue") has been secretly cast in a role in the next two SW prequels. His work on "Episode II" is expected to require only a few days of filming, though it will carry on over to "Episode III" with a much larger role then." Hmmm... Jimmy Smit... not too sure how to picture him as.
*sneaks out*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, June 1, 2000 06:05:09 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com
Hmm, Conan O'Brian is showing the reincarnated Jimmy Stewart bit... Now it makes sense... I think...
Santa Clause plural- Well, there's Santa Clauses or Santa Cli I suppose, but since its his actual name, there probably isn't a plural version. The TIck had a solution tho... "A yuletide".
Gasper- I wasn't kicking you out of the RP, and I'm sorry if it felt like that. I only said that the character you were using was just too powerful for our RP. You can use an earlier version of your character, or create something totally new for this RP. But don't just leave it because of that... Look, in a moment I'm going to calculate my power levels, and maybe you can create a new character with something similar...
(As far as the DBZ numbers, I don't trust any website postings after the Freezer saga, since thats when they stopped getting mentioned. I only trust the math I have actually done on it from observation and calculation to make sense of it... Super Saiyin has a 50 time increase, Super 2 an 80 time increase, 3 a 20 increase, and 4 something like a 50 increase (Since going Ozaru is a 10 time increase, golden Ozaru should be similar to SUper, and going into super 4 form increases it more...) Trunks beat cyborg Freezer easily, then Goku beat Trunks easily without even going super, the androids gave them problems and then Cell gave the androids problems and kept upgrading and such, and then how royally Boo wiped them all till Goku went super 3 and other such things... And then you consider that in GT Goku can beat Fat Boo at base power and the numbers start to add up...) Believe me, I've seen just about every episode of all 3 series, every movie, and spent alot of time going over this math with some of my other DBZ obsessed friends...
SJ- Own power levels eh? Hmmm...
Jim Noying: 25. But Jim is just so ridiculously smooth, it may as well be a few thousand, as that mere 25 seems to work for him even against really high power opponents.
Jim's clone Mij: 2000. Being crossed with Sandshrew DNA gave him incredible speed and the ability to fly, breath in space, and mimic any sound. Plus, he's been training since his battle with the cyber smurf.
Black Tiger: 800 base on his own, since he's the son of Jim and a wererat, been training nonstop since the cybersmurf battle. His black armor probably doubles his power, but his newer silver armor will add a lot. (I know the actual ammount, but I'll save that surprise until later...)
SJ: I agree, being a normal human your power will be a wee bit low, but you've been doing a lot of fighting and stuff, had some magic stuff done to you, (temporarily held Athena's powers, absorbed spirit bomb, died, had a demon hold your body to power it up...) so I'd give you a base power level of 500. Consider, Krillin's power jumped to 13,000 after his Namek power up... (And I have a few plans set up...)
SJ with absorbed spirit bomb: 50,000. Defeated the cyber smurf easily after all.
Kari: 1,000 base. She's the goddess avatar of Athena. Nuff said.
Kitainia- Your power levels sound reasonable enough. AN ordinary human's power level is about 5, but those that train or have enhanced abilities naturally build up to a few hundred. But like you said, it doesn't matter much since it probably won't involve you much. (Actual precise powers won't involve out part of the RP either too much, this is all just to get a starting point...)
Oh geez, my post has gone from remotely gargs related to almost all DBZ related. This happens every now and again doesn't it? AH well... I'll likely get it out of my system being at a huge anime convention all weekend.. I'll be gone until Monday, busy at A-kon don't cha know!
Ah well, see you all again in a few days...
Robby
Thursday, June 1, 2000 02:42:10 AM
IP: spider-tp081.proxy.aol.com
Rodlox> <<the P in PNA is either Phosphorus or Pottasium>>: Ah, phosphate might make sense as a simpler version. If I recall, DNA has a sstring of sugar, phosphate, sugar phosphade,... going down the side.
Random thought if Gargoyles are related to dinosaurs (and applicable to London clan): Scales and feathers grow out of follicles that point out. Hair follicles are recessed. Therefore, how can a scaled (or feathered) being also grow hair?
Rodlox> <<what is the plural of Santa Claus?>>: To continue the Latin trend: Santae Clai.
Gasper> <<I liked Hudson Hawk>>: I too found it rather enjoyable.
SOROW> <<I will be leaving tomorrow morning for drill team officer camp>>: Learn how to be a good megalomaniac.
<<I'll tell my brother that he has a fan>>: Now, now, there's no reason to go scaring him (if you reveal anything about my personality, that is).
Sev. Jr.> <<the modification to play as Trinity, Morpheus, or a bunch of other Matrix cast members>>: It won't be any fun unless you get Mouse. And maybe those guns he had.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, June 1, 2000 02:41:18 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
**RP here**
Somewhere on the outskirts of a Tibetan mountain range, a large and secluded monastery emerges from a brutal snowstorm. Behind thousand year-old vaulted doors, far carved into the mountain’s side, a wayward son prepares to leave the only place which welcomes him as home.
“Such is the Path of Do, for all of us,” a withered and ancient man whispers from beneath heavy saffron robes.
A younger voice replies haltingly in the same tongue, recalling the ancient words of ritual, “I accept the demands right action makes of my life, without any hesitation, or reservation.” He places his gloved hands in front of him and bowed so low the furred cowl on his heavy coat obscured his face.
“We will await your return to us, in this life, or the next,” the old man replied, “But for your journey, we shall pray for you. A brother will be at each Shrine of the Four Winds for as long as you fight. The bond we share shall not be broken, and our strength will not fail you.”
“And I will not dishonor your gift to me, master,” the Seeker said, not raising from his bow.
“May fortune smile upon you, my son,” the old man raised a withered old arm to touch the young man on a fur-clad shoulder, “Mind what you have learned.”
“And may the Light bless and keep thee and thy brothers, teacher,” the young man said, looking up finally, “I will never be able to repay your kindness.”
“While I may be soon at my time, many of my children are due far more years. Insuring their fate is more than repayment,” A gleam appeared in the old man’s eyes for a moment, “Just win.”
“Yes, master.”
**Pause RP**
Regarding making gargoyle wings …
I’m never going to have the time to do it this summer. I can see that now. However, I originally had a design schematic for a set of wings that could cape and un-cape. The idea came while cleaning under my bed when I came across a large box of construction toys from when I was a kid. There was this one set of toys called “Constructs” which where basically hard-plastic beams of varying sizes which snapped together with various connectors with square prongs. Some of the connectors where cubes, while others functioned at angles, and still some had hinged joints.
The noteworthy part of these pieces, however, where that the designs permitted the passage of strings about the thickness of thin shoelaces throughout almost all of them. Using the hing-joints and small-angle joints, I laid out a pattern that would wrap around from one shoulder, around the front, to the other. However, with the use of a long, strong, string, it could be pulled tight, forcing the hinge-joints to straighten out to an angle perpendicular to the back. Basically, with enough “Constructs” and a lot of time, one can create a mock-skeletal structure for the “arms” of the wings, with the string mimicking the muscle-function for the purposes of caping and uncaping. Then it is a matter of hanging and stretching fabrics properly.
Anyone else out there played with “Constructs” ?
Regarding gargoyle evolution:
It’s kinda fun to poke away at this subject, but it is also a very difficult one. I mean, gargoyles look the way that they do because that was the design that was finally made it through Disney. Some of their design is IRL made up just to make the aesthetics work for pitching the show. Trying to retro-engineer Darwinism into a species that was in reality created by the conscious minds of humans is fun, but it’ll be frustrating to say the least if anyone actually has their heart set on finding the Right answer.
This looks like a job for the Son’s of Ether, rather than archeologists and biologists. ^_^
Starsinger: Yeah, we were just talking about that this weekend at the PreRelease. We’re all sci-fi goobers out there, but we were comparing notes on how people who weren’t quite “in the know” reacted to it. It looks like a pretty good marketing scheme actually. I want to see the movie just because they did something like this. ^_^
**Resume RP**
The mountains were cold, and loose powder just made every small gust of wind into an assault of exposed flesh. Still, the passage down a mountain was always easier than up. Just a few more feet and the plateau should be in view …
Sure enough, there was snow-covered plain, with a small olive-green helicopter sticking out like a sore thumb.
“I didn’t even think they Had military issue anything … but at least their punctual,” Kaioto observed. He glanced down again and sighed. It wouldn’t do to keep people waiting.
He took a deep breath and let go.
Free-fall was certainly unsettling, but it was far more unsettling to think about what would happen if that fear made one miss that exact moment …
Suddenly, two feet struck out from the falling ball of fur and man, striking the cliff-side squarely. Kaioto’s form repelled from the wall and continued to drop like a stone, head-over heels … until ending abruptly in a geyser of loose snow powder.
A few minutes later an unmarked helicopter left the airspace bound for a private hanger in South Korea.
Hours later, a private airplane, likewise unmarked, left for Los Angeles International Airport.
Last night, it arrived at its destination, its usual cargo intact, with full diplomatic escort, including a retinue of rather plain-looking “porters.”
No one in security or customs ever noticed one less porter come back from the restrooms.
Nor did anyone notice that a man dressed in a simple gray trench coat emerging from a bathroom that he apparently never entered.
**end RP**
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, June 1, 2000 02:33:24 AM
IP: 1cust252.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net
***Kyryn walks in and shoots DC***
Gentlebeings, TGS now presents:
Abandonment
Written by Don A. "Coyote the Bando" Martinez
Story by Don A. "Coyote the Bando" Martinez, Jonathan Cotleur, and Aaron Ziegler
Artwork by Lady Foxglove
Based loosely on a true account by MMC Alexander F. Martinez, USN (Ret.)
***Kyryn steps aside to avoid the rush***
Kyryn - [<--clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Thursday, June 1, 2000 02:26:06 AM
IP: denm1-1.iglobal.net
Anyone else catch the 'Senator Kelly' ad on Scifi channel? X-men are alive and in commercials.
Starsinger
Thursday, June 1, 2000 01:52:23 AM
IP: proxy-622.public.rwc.webtv.net
Hey guys last post for the night!
<Winterwolf>
Thanks for the advice.I'll work on both.
<Rodlox>
Thanks man
I was gonna have to decide which one to ditch.
I'd hate to do that. I'll work on both.
One at a time.
Thanks
Thats all for tonight!!!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 01:10:00 AM
IP: usr91.cqc.com
Everyone> Thanks for the advise I have something cool in mind to use I'll keep you all posted.
Winterwolf> I don't wan to reveal ~all~ my secrets here;) so I'm sending you an e-mail on the stats.
Gargoyle Evolution> I don't think it will ~totally~ go away, but the majority of it will(in my opinion anyway). It is still a useful trick in the incident that one is injured.
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Thursday, June 1, 2000 01:03:37 AM
IP: phx-205.treknet.net
**Theory Regarding Gargoyles**
have we seen any gargs that looked like conventional predators? {Bronx doesn't count}.
my theory is that gargs evolved to mimic the lower food chain animals {for whatever reason; perhaps because it was easier to dominate them before gargs developed intelligence}....after all, i think the most aggressive conventional animal in a garg is the London Clan's boar {what was his name?}.
if tehre are any wolf-, bear-, tiger-headed gargoyles...then my theory dies...anybody care to take it on? ::)
**End Of Theory**
Rodlox
Thursday, June 1, 2000 12:53:31 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Doug- Thanks, that means a lot. RP wise though, I should probably stick to LQ. The short format of writing RP is hard for me, as sometimes I have too many ideas, and too little comments. I might do it again. It was a good dip in the water. Again, your support is thanked. I'm glad that you enjoyed them, because as a leader of a Group like the one I'm from (LOF), that means a ton. It's good to know there are others out there, and they are enjoying the fantasy life we sometimes all wish we could be a part of. Keep it up. Might even want to try some closed session IRC meetings. Those are definately useful for getting to know everyone.
Powerlevels, DBZ wise. I know a few sites, and I will post the links here.
http://www.planetnamek.com/powerlevels.html
--Probably one of the most accurate sites out there. Stated levels, from Manga, tv and the various books.
http://www.planetnamek.com/
---A very good site for most of what you will need. Attacks on the other hand are lacking here, but it's a great source for news.
http://www.goes.com/~dbzinfo/frames.html
-----A better site for attacks and such. Power levels are very incomplete, but over all, a great site for information and research. Another great feature is the Timeline that is probably very accurate. However, if this actually took place IRL (in real life, for those that don't know), it'd be around 2060-2070 CE or AD, depending on your views. This is through the tale of Bulma about Dr. Wheelo. Essentially, I planned on working something of an element from DB into this, but after seeing the timeline, I've very weary of trying it though.
Anyway, I might roleplay again someday. But I also had to go with my established Character...Gasper is powerful. I can't weaken him...he wouldn't be the same...maybe it's pig headed arrogance. I don't know. ANyway, can't wait to see what goes on with the Ten.
Later.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Thursday, June 1, 2000 12:25:48 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4
Hi! Thought I'd post before going to sleep.
Doug> Thanks. I've got your list of recommendations. I've already started reading through Niamhgold's fics. I'll be sure to check out the others too. ^_^
Fire Storm> <Are you talking 3d modeling or scanning? Do you do 3d modeling? If so... what program? What kinds or models? (Mechanical, architectural, biological?)> Man you said a mouthful :) I've honestly only played with it a little bit. I've worked a couple of biological models. Primarily a humanoid structure. A friend of mine was really into it, he made some really cool models. Mostly 3d anime characters. I should have gotten the program he used. What was I thinking? Oh yeah I wasn't. I don't even remember what the program was. :( Maybe I should give him a call. We'll start with a discussion about the power of the hammer-drill. He was obsessed with that tool. He used to lay the fiber optic cable around the campus. Other than I've been playing with a TrueSpace4. I managed to download a demo of it. I haven't used it enough to really tell you much about it. What do you use? I'm sure you can point me in the right direction for future acquisitions. ;) <fics> I'll be checking your fics out too. I'll let you know where you stand. ^_^
Brooklyn> You should definitely write both fics. Just work on the one you have the most ideas for and alternate from time to time. I'll send you email tomorrow or later today depending on how you want to look at it.
Janine> <tapes at the Disney store> Really. I'll have to look into that. <wings> When you get them to cape and uncape you will be the best gargoyle costume designer ever! This may not make much sense but here goes anyway. Maybe something using rubber bands or something similar. When the rubber bands are tense the wings pop up and uncape. When then relax the wings fall into a caped position. I know what I'm thinking but I'm not sure how badly I'm explaining it. I try and come up with another way to explain this. Unless you manage to understand my poorly worded babble. :)
Niamhgold> Two for two so far on this post. ;) Since I see you posting with the weird sisters these part few days do you have any sisters? Or are you doing all three roles on your own? ^_^
SOROW> Good Luck! Look forward to seeing you come back.
******BFTS - RP******
"DPH and Plastique are on their way back from their visit with Self-ReBoot." Winterwolf announced. "It seems that we may have added to our growing list of enemies. Self-ReBoot and DC are friends."
"This just keeps getting worse. I still can't use the ring very well." Jason whined.
Winterwolf chose that moment to initiate mental combat with Jason.
Rodlox remained silent for the moment unaware that the other two inhabitants of the room were mentally engaged in a training match.
Jason and Winterwolf spar for what seems like an hour but is actually only a few seconds. Jason keeps getting hurt loosing each brief melee and each equally brief exchange of projectile fire. Jason looks very upset.
"What are you thinking about Rodlox?" Winterwolf asks partly focusing on his new ally.
Jason seethes with anger and in a blind rage he appears on a bike wearing a jacket with an insignia Winterwolf remembers seeing on each of the Speed Stars. Jason levels a machine gun at him and squeezes the trigger unloading the entire clip. Winterwolf moves to dodge but two other Speed Stars appear and grab each arm effectively immobilizing him. Winterwolf concentrates on creating a bullet barrier to protect himself but all the bullets drive themselves into his body. Winterwolf is forced to leave Jason's mind. He mentally restores himself.
Once things started going badly Winterwolf lost track if Rodlox had said anything at all. He snaps at Jason yelling, "YOU'RE A SPEED STAR! YOU'VE BEEN HOLDING BACK ALL THIS TIME BECAUSE YOU WERE AFRAID I'D FIND OUT! WELL THAT'S IT! YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR BIKER BUDDIES!" Winterwolf stormed out of the front door.
******END BFTS - RP******
Good Night Everybody!
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Thursday, June 1, 2000 12:12:47 AM
IP: dialup-63.210.208.172.newyork1.level3.net
Sabledrake info > we've made an executive decision; henceforth the 'zine will be posted on the first Monday of the month instead of the first of the month, thereby giving us a full weekend to get it together. Starting this issue, since our schedule was so crammed getting the MageLore book sent off and having Tim's sis visit. So, look for the Myth and Magic issue next Monday! ; )
Winterwolf > no, just good old six-siders ; ) I'm a GURPS player!
Doug > supposedly, the contributor's copies of GURPS Villains are shipping "soon." Whatever that means. So I hope to see it before much longer!
Rodlox > thank you! I look forward to seeing your pic of Fia!
Stone sleep, garg origins, etc. > wow, I hope I can finish "Lylth" tonight, because it'll explain my personal fanfic universe views on the matter! Spent most of last night working on the random garg tables, and they turned out very neat, IMO!
Christine
Thursday, June 1, 2000 12:11:47 AM
IP: 15-143.009.popsite.net
SOROW: Good luck at drill team camp, hope it helps you learn many skills and keep in shape (the cheerleaders and drill team didn't have anything similar at my high school, we had to learn and stay in shape on our own). Please hurry back soon too. <hugs>
SJ: Sorry for jumping the gun like I did earlier. :( Like Doug said, hope you soon know for sure whether your dad is in serious trouble or not. We'll be praying.
Re- The Ravens' RP Power Levels: Never calculated them, but the fighting ability of Doug's RP character is about equivalent to that of a veteran Navy Seal according to him, I'd say that's roughly, I don't know, 350? The other Ravens are about the same, with various strengths in areas other than straight physical combat, e.g. magic, psionics, etc. Highest would probably be around 450 or so for Lathrop (our most veteran member with the coolest magic), lowest level would be 230 for Gubio (he doesn't fight as often as the rest of us). My power level, considering my enhanced half-garg body and all, is probably around 450 too. Only Stephanie (due to her immortality), Lathrop (reasons given above), and Elena (in her Liberation Angel mode, in which her power level would probably be in the thousands) can top or match that. The Onslaught's should be 2500 or thereabouts, it being a truck that can transform into a big war robot and all. <sighs> Personally, I don't watch DBZ, so I probably can't make any fair estimates. (Might not need to, either, as the Ravens will probably be staying out of the Ten battle. Good luck to those who are involved. :)
That's about all for now, I'll post more after I've read the new Timedancer. Later! <Lisa-mon digi-volves to Kitainia-mon and flies away>
Kit
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:50:58 PM
IP: pool-209-138-215-157.dlls.grid.net
***BEGIN RP***
Kari, Dyspare, and the Administrator carefully walked through Caesar's Palace in search of the demon army.
"Where did Sammael go?" Kari asked.
"He said something about wanting to go see a show," Dyspare replied, and then stuck his snout in the air and proceded to sniff.
"This is all very interesting," the Administrator was saying. "These humans are wasting large amounts of resources playing games of chance."
"That's the spirit of Vegas," Kari responded.
"Yes, but they know that the odds are against them. They know that they will, more often than not, lose, and lose horribly."
Kari shrugged. "That's the fun of it, I suppose. It makes the victories that much sweeter."
The Administrator nodded her head. "I see. One can not truly appreciate a victory without first experiencing defeat. A wise human insight."
"Hold the philosophical pontificating!" Dyspare shouted. He pointed straight towards a large auditorium. "I smell demons in there!"
***PAUSE RP***
Spurting through your modem and making an oogey mess, it's ENTERTAINMENT INFO!!!
Wishful Thinking: There's more rumors out now about the next installment in the Batman movie franchise, and I'm almost loathe to report it cause it would be unbelievably cool if it happened and heartbreaking if they continued with the Joel Schumacher regime. (As an aside, I quote the great Kevin Smith, who when asked to voice his opinion of "Batman & Robin", called it "A Gay Fantasia".)
Warner Bros., who of course owns the Batman franchise, is apparently making motions to keep the franchise from going the way of the dino. And after the colossal abortion that was Batman and Robin, they're looking for something new. We were actually *this* close to getting a Bruce Wayne tv show that would probably have aired this upcoming season, but they put that on hiatus. This is because they want to jumpstart the movies again, this time with Darren Aranofsky as the writer/director. If you don't know who he is, he's the man who brought us the truly excellent indie film "Pi". Darren is enormously talented, and he's got some kickass ideas as to what he wants to do with the franchise.
First off, he wants to go with a Year One storyline. This would show us a younger Batman as he's first starting out in his vigilante career. Furthermore, Darren wants to use both Victor "Mr. Freeze" Fries and the Joker in the film, with Pitch Black badass Vin Diesel in the role of Fries (now THAT would be cool!). So far, this is all speculation, but...this is the *rumor* at least that Warner Bros. is trying to set all of this up. Whether anything actually happens will be another thing, but if X-Men does well this summer--and I think it will relatively so--than WB may make extra steps to jumpstart their superhero franchise.
And from the Please Make It Stop department: Against all common sense, they are reportedly making a FOURTH Scream movie. Please. For the love of God, just stop. I can take NO MORE David Arquette.....I mean, the sequels sucked, and while the first one was good, it wasn't a GREAT movie. Just....end the pain.
Attention all Half-Life gamers: In case you haven't heard, they've made a "Matrix" upgrade to the game! Go to planethalflife.com, and download the modification to play as Trinity, Morpheus, or a bunch of other Matrix cast members to kick Agent ass! Upon being reached for comment about the upgrade, actor Keanu Reeves reportedly exclaimed "Dude!", followed by an enthusiastic "Whoa!"
RP power levels: You know, we've never actually discussed this in here before. Maybe we should try and approximate the power levels of the various RP players, just for fun. It's relevant if we're gonna be taking on The Ten DBZ style.
For the record, SJ has a power level of 18.39 Trillion.
Seriously, this is kind of a cool idea....I would like to say Sammael is about maybe 500. That's a decent power rating for a demon warrior, huh? That's around the level Goku and Piccolo had when DBZ started. Maybe SJ could have maybe half that, at most, him being human and all. How about the others? Hmm? Black Tiger, Jim, Doug and Kit, etc?
SOROW: Maybe drill teams and high IQs don't always mix, but at least we know you have a well-muscled brain in your head. ;) Good luck and have fun at camp! :)
Jenna: Didn't get a chance to congratulate you, but kudos to Mike for getting the gaming gig! :) You'll have to let us know when some of his stuff gets published, I'd love to see his work. I'm glad things are going well for the two of you! :)
***RESUME RP***
The three burst into the auditorium and looked around. The room was filled with all sorts of people. The usual throng of tourists. But down in the front of audience, sitting in the first several rows, were demons--dozens of them. And sitting amongst them was Sammael.
The demons were uncharacteristically quiet, totally attentive to the show. The three heroes quickly jogged down to Sammael, who was staring in rapture at the stage.
"Sammael, what are you doing!" Kari snapped. "We have dozens of demons here, and instead of trying to recruit them, you're staring at a stage act! And...and why are they so quiet? I thought they'd be tearing up the city or doing something demonic and evil."
"Later!" Sammael hissed, shushing them. "No demon wants to miss this show!" He pointed at the stage, as the headlining act began to appear.
"Dear sweet merciful jalapeno," Kari groaned, putting her hand over her eyes.
The highly intelligent Administrator blinked in confusion. "What....is this? THIS is human entertainment?"
"The finest form of human entertainment!" Sammael was saying. "Look, it's the white tigers!"
"Hello, ehvehone!" the two prancing magicians on the stage said. "Ve ahr....Siegfried and Roy!!!"
***END RP***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:34:01 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net
Gasper: Enjoyed your RPs while you did them, sorry you feel you have to stop. :( Oh well.
SOROW: Well, at my high school, you had to have pretty good grades to be on drill team. Tricia, the Captain, had to maintain a 3.25 or better while she held office and the others needed at least a 3.0. To me that usually indicates a high degree of intelligence (more than I have anyway). I assumed things at your school were the same way. Guess they're not. :) Good luck at camp, hope you enjoy it. Later. <returns hugs>
Doug
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:10:45 PM
IP: pool-209-138-215-157.dlls.grid.net
<----*sigh* I'm going to miss him!
I will be leaving tomorrow morning for drill team officer camp and will not be back until Monday. So try not to miss me too much, wish me luck, and don't do anything I wouldn't do while I'm away (that sure isn't much)!
SJ> Well, you can have some of those girls. Can you say...B*tch?
Doug> What?! Drill team and intelligence don't mix very well sometimes. What is this world coming to, I don't know. I'll write as soon as I get back and tell you everything about camp. *hugs*
Gside> I'll tell my brother that he has a fan. :)
Kyryn> Thank you for telling us the ep would be late. I'll plan to wake up early for it.
SOROW
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:05:01 PM
IP: dll2a030-0755.splitrock.net
Yes, I do realize much of this of what you say. Though after the Cell saga, there were no more recorded numbers. I wouldn't say 15 numbers though, that's a little too much. Hoo boy....well.....it's not worth starting my own RP...three RP's would be too much. That and I've only been around under a month or so, so it'd be pointless for my to pursue. Besides, I don't think anyone would really be interested. Therefore, I bow out. Even at the lowest levels I've fought at in IRC battles and such, I'd be about 175K. Too much of a decrease....well, it's been fun. But I have to remain true to a character I've created that's gone under intense training, mostly in a 450G gravity room. Guess it's a matter of ethics here. I'm out...Can't wait to see what you guys come up with though.....I'll be watching.
Movie 4- I'll make that decision myself, thank you. I respect your opinion, but then again, I liked Hudson Hawk. If that's any indication. Again, a personal preference and such I guess.
No use in doing anymore RP, but thank you to Doug, Rodlox, and everyone else for inviting me to join...later.
Gasper
MN, US
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:18:48 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
Rodlox> Santa Claus plural> Santa Clausen?
Wilek
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:18:02 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com
Hyperion: so far lately {oxymoron?}, we've been discussing gargoyle cousins in the animal(s) kingdom(s), instinct vs thought in gargs, the origins of stone sleep, the possibility that stone sleep may go away some day...
anybody else want to pitch in?
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 09:54:09 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Hmm... so judging by the threads here, I'
ve been gone too long to say anything.
If you all would be so kind as to restart all your'e conversations so I can follow them, it's be much appreciated. :-)
Hope everyone's doing well.
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 09:43:42 PM
IP: ehdup-u-33.rmt.net.pitt.edu
A friend of mine asked me this, and i realized i had no clue...can any of you help me here??:
what is the plural of Santa Claus?
Rodlox
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 09:24:23 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
THIS IS A TEST OF THE NON-EMERGENCY GARGOYLES. THIS IS ONLY A TEST. HAD THIS BE AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY, THE MUTAGENIC PACKAGE ON YOUR BACK WOULD HAVE SPROUTED WINGS AND LEFT YOU HERE ALONE.
this is a test to see if anything's wrong here.
{....what? it already left? ooops}.
Rodlox
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 09:04:16 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Evangelion stuff>> Oy was the ending of EoE depressing. End of the world stuff, the sorta thing the heroes of any show are supposed to prevent. I much prefer Teknos Warhammer's fanfiction "Seraphim's Judgement" which has a more upbeat ending.
Unfortuantely, Warhammer has taken his whole library down as he does a massive rewrite of all his interconnected works. Man, he linked a whole buncha series. Teknoman, Ranma 1/2, All Purpose Cultural Catgirl, Evangelion, Sailor Moon, and others. They were great before, and they'll be even better when he finishes rewriting them all. Thing is, he'll have to finish rewriting most of "Shara's Last Gift" and all of "Hammer's Wrath" before "Seraphim's Judgement" will make any sense to the uninitiated.
Oh, did I forget the URL of Warhammer's page? No I didn't! Here it is: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Garden/4853/index.html
Not much there at the moment, but if you're patient, you can watch Warhammer's world rebuilt better than ever.
Gargoyle Evolution>> I don't think Stone Sleep will ever be evolved out of Gargoyles. At least not totally. Remember, in addition to hibernation, Stone Sleep heals most wounds in the space of a day, including broken bones, torn wings, etc. that could take weeks to heal without it. Maybe it'll change to the point where it becomes voluntary some day, but it will never disappear.
**RP- THE TEN SAGA**
Matthew heard #4's broadcast on his car radio just before he reached the top of the hill and stopped the hovercar.
"That doesn't sound good." he said to himself "That non-natural object could be this #4 person. In which case she might not like someone spying on her. Good thing I'm always prepared.
Matthew removed a small camera drone from the glove compartment and activated it, the signal displayed on a screen. It flew into the air and took pictures of #4 at her landing site. Its built in scouter also confirmed her power level.
"Not good." Matthew said as he recalled the drone, catching it and starting back to his lab. "I'd better finish those upgrades quick, and I hope I can finish the experimental add-ons before the rest of them arrive."
He returned to his lab and, as well as beginning his work, he also put out a call for the planet's heroes to meet there so they could assemble a plan to defend the Earth.
**End RP for now**
Matthew - [matts1@bellatlantic.net]
New City, NY, USA
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 06:37:11 PM
IP: adsl-151-202-107-82.bellatlantic.net
Robby> Check your EM.
Later.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 06:16:23 PM
IP: ppp-219.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net
DPH- Most people DO limit their posts to one or two a day.
Gasper- Uuuhm... You *DO* realize that plain old Super Saiyin Goku during the _Freezer_ saga has a power level of 15 million right? That's 15,000,000, (As stated by series creator, Akira Toriyama) a ludicrous ammount more than the villain I just introduced, and the ones I had intended to introduce... And that Super Saiyin 4 Goku and Vegeta have after training nearly 20 years after the Frieza saga and going through 4 transformations have power levels estimated to have like 15 zeroes at the end, right? Thats a power level of 36,000,000,000,000,000. (This is taking into account dramatic increases upon going super 2, Super Saiyin always increasing power by 50 and Super 2 actually having a bigger increase, how badly Cell and Maijin Boo and the androids beat the characters, how easily the characters beat others later, and other factors...) And well, not to sound snobbish or anything, but if you want your character to have that kind of power I suggest you start your own RP, he would so ridiculously outclass everyone else in the room's RP (Most of whose powers have to be under 1000 normally I think...) there just honestly wouldn't be much point to everyone else getting involved. Your character would smack around all the villains I have planned coming with ease, and whats the fun in that? If you could lower your character's power for the sake of RP so that it ISN'T at Super Saiyin levels, (IE- Under 5000 normally and a tops of 25,000 or so without powerups or special desperation techniques used in battle that can double it) it'll be okay...
(ANd by the way, don't get your hopes up about DBZ movie 4, its sucks. BADLY. Among other things, it has Gohan's whistle song, something that still scares me a year after seeing the movie. It'll probably be even worse with the current voice cast... Movie 5 is one of the best tho.)
Warpmind- Elton John is British, but he composed the music for Lion King and most of his stuff *in* America to pander firstly to an American audience, hence, its american music.
Evangelion sutff- Death and Rebirth was the last two episodes of the series. End of Evangelion was the movie that came later, and some speculate it takes place BEFORE Death and Rebirth. WIerd eh?
Aaron- Aye, I'm trying...
Robby
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 05:58:42 PM
IP: spider-tp084.proxy.aol.com
A quick posty.
Brooklyn> I have every episode except the one where broadway accidentaly shoots Elisa. I recomed trying a Disney store. They have ~nearly~ every Disney video available. Or if you live by Disney Land/World they would most deffinatly have it. Hey, The Gathering is in Orlando this year...:)
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 05:35:18 PM
IP: phx-209.treknet.net
Brooklyn: <which one to write> BOTH!
. <which one not to write> NEITHER!
how's that? :) {seriously, write at your own pace!}!
Rodlox
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 05:14:51 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Hi guys
Just thought I'd check in.
<Winterwolf>
1)What about those gargoyle episodes? I am currently
looking through my video library and there's a lot
here you might need. While I'm on the subject does
anybody have a copy of Deadly Force? They never
show it on Toon Disney and I would love to see it.
Winterwolf drop me a line about it separately so
I can organize my new mail and set it apart from
the web page conversations. Also make a list of what
you want I'll get them taped.
<Rodlox>
Tell me what you think about my fics. I would like some
input on which one I should write and which one to discard
for the time being.
<Comment Room discussion: Gargoyle genetics
Personaly I fully agree with idea of evolving from dinos.
Although during the coarse of evolution of mammals.There was the have way point between reptiles and mammals called
Therapsids it had mostly reptilian characteristics but gave
birth to live young and was slightly hairy in some sub-species. I originally thought gargs came from an offshoot of this species. Thus the laying of eggs, yet the nursing.
Just thought I'd put my two cents in on the chat.
<Niamhgold>
Thanks so much!!!!! I have run through my character designs,and found a name to put on each one!! That took
so much of a weight off of my shoulders.
<FireStorm>
I'll send scan them on to a disk and get the to you ASAP.
There is only one I would like modeled that is of Brooklyn
from the TimeDancer series. Thanks!!!!
<Wilek>
That's kind of interesting! I never really thought to use
garg genes and relate it to human genetics.
Well thats all for now.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 04:52:44 PM
IP: usr77.cqc.com
Gside: the P in PNA is either Phosphorus or Pottasium....it's supposed to be more stable a structure than [traditional] Ribonucleic Acid.
Rodlox
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 04:19:25 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Wilek> Many good wishes for the health of your computer.
Daniel Johnson> <<It's the behavior that has to be instinctive, not the motivation>>: but isn't the process of learining a behavior?
Rodlox: Ok, what kind of neuclaic acid is PNA?
Shadowrider> <<may I ask you what "Dern Lot Boys" mean>>: I'll try this one, since he just answered it for me sometime between May 15 and 20 (which is not in the archive or Daniel Johnson's backup). Basically, he is chanelling the instruction manual for a game, where the cost of a spaceship model was increased by a negligable amount for the cleaning of ashtrays, for which the dern lot boys were blamed. I really should remember with more detail, but I don't, so either wait for him, or be happy with this.
Aaron> <<I thought End of Eva was the second half of Death and Rebirth>>: As far as I know, there were two movies, Death and Rebirth, and End of Eva. They made the second because so many people were unhappy with the ending of the first. Check out http://tokyo3.animeden.com/dar.htm and http://tokyo3.animeden.com/movie.htm
It's mp3 time. I present wuite a fun song, and one that is probably considered a jazz masterwork: Birdland, by Maynard Ferguson. And I can tell that no one liked Sunday's selections, since I didn't put up one that I promised, and no one said anything. So To fix my mistake, and perhaps annoy more people, I give you John Phillip Sousa and The Marines Hymn.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 04:14:32 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
Quick note to the CR folks.
I will be posting tonight's ep sometime around 12pm - 1am room time tonight.
No major problems, but I've got some A-kon guest stuff to take care of and won't be home to post it until then, and the final copy is sitting on my machine at home.
Kyryn - Head of Edits, TGS
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 03:46:54 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129
Aaron wanders in, wearing a serape and chewing on a long, thin cigar. He pauses briefly to blow DC's head clean off with a .44 magnum, and then faces the room.
It's Clint Eastwood's birthday today. 70 years old, and still Hollywood's ultimate toughguy.
Jenna> Congrats to Mike.
SJ> Still sending good vibes toward your dad.
Janine> I used to love M:TG, but I've become disenchanted with it. (No pun intended) It's all about speed and combos these days, and I just really can't afford to pick up a new expansion every three months.
Gside> I thought End of Eva was the second half of Death and Rebirth.
Wilek> Bummer. Hope you can get it straightened out.
Christine> Congrats on the audio book deal.
Robby> Convince fast, cause we leave tomorrow. Call me, I should be home packing (Or watching the Knicks game when I should be packing) But I may have figured out what Titania whispered to Fox. "It's called a Dragon Slave. Go for it." ;)
Later.
Aaron tosses a rope out the CR window, and zips away.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 03:43:43 PM
IP: ppp-16.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net
** Enter the Niamhgold **
Ah, well. I just gave up on the whole mini-poster thing--my Hotmail page just won't send *anything* but JPG. I get "Cannot find server" for all TGA, GIF, PSD, EPS files, and so on. ** Sigh ** I just hope the ones I sent Jubilee at home come up all right.
On to posts:
Winterwolf: ** Grins ** Well, looks like we have another green-eyed patron! And, don't worry about my name; you should see how many times *I* messed it up when I first used it :)
Firestorm: Thank you for all the help; I just can't do anything about my stinky account :(
Shadowrider, Gside, DPH: Thanks for the Latin translations! Have a whole bunch for now. For those interested; yes, it is a title of a poem I am writing, and a tie-in with an anime project I've been working on. Thanks again!
Jenna: Woo, things are goin' great for you! Congrats to your husband!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 03:18:24 PM
IP: lac-flex137.ncia.net
<Sneaks in for the shortest of moments>
Warpmind:> "Manus Ferre" Hmmm...This creates me a little more problems to me..."Ferre" means not "iron", but it is the infinite of the verb "Fero"...that has a lot of meanings: to give, to take, to carry and so on...and furthermore, "Manus" is of the 4th declination, so "Manus" can be a singular nominative, a genitive, a plural dative or so...
Well, for "Manus Ferre" I propose: "Give hands"
Alternate: "Carry by hands"
Note: I decline every responsability for this...;)
Fire Storm:> Excuse me, but there's a thing I'm wondering about from a while...may I ask you what "Dern Lot Boys" mean?
More later
<sneaks out>
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 02:59:52 PM
IP: h255-20-93.mi2.albacom.net
DERN LOT BOYS!
<Fire Storm whips out his pulsed plasma mini-gun and goes hunting for Dern Lot Boys>
hmm... maybe I should call Hunter Fire Storm!
Fire Storm
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 02:08:56 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com
SOROW: <You're very bad! ;)>
Yes! Very much so! :)
Jason Barnett: <In my opinion the fey never showed any sign of being precognative>
I think Puck was just a good guesser. Maybe he also read Xanatos's books labled:
Pyramid addons for your new castle
How to take over Manhattan in 10 easy steps
And Me, my AI and Myself
Jenna: <My hubby just got offered a graphics job in a gaming company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>
Sweet! What company?
Daniel Johnson: <I think I'm all psyched out now. :)>
All right now. Bad Joke police. Now, pull that post of yours over!
Winterwolf: <Make sure to make the correction in all the yearbooks you sign. ;p>
We got our yearbooks AFTER graduation. :(
<BTW - I'd be happy if you want to do it. Less work for me. :) Mmm modeling...>
Are you talking 3d modeling or scanning?
Do you do 3d modeling? If so... what program? What kindsor models? (Mechanical, archatectural, biological?)
<not 10100>
Whats wrong with 20? or 14?
Doug: <Hope you and Lady Mystic can get the page with them uploaded soon, please let us know when you do so we can start using them>
Uploading and viewing are one thing... the abilty to USE them in the CR is a totally different matter!
<glad they're at least putting it (Princess Mononoke) on video>
Release date: 01/01/01
Doug/Winterwolf: <Also, if I may do a bit of shameless self-promotion, mine. :)>
Well, since we have no shame here, check my stuff out (Night Flame) for some good examples on how one progresses from crap to... ok, slightly better than crap. (I REALLY got to post those new ones!)
Hey! Now that LM is done with the CR pics, she can help me! Yeah!
Gasper: <though it's amazing they didn't get damaged or anything.>
Erosion. Rain. Angry pidgeons ;)
Janine: <If you have any ideas or comments please don't hesitste.>
At the hardware store there are 2 foot long screw grabbers. They are flexable so they can cape, but once you un hook them, they spring back to shape.
If ya want more clarification... I'll see if I can find my dad's grabber.
Wilek: <the PHANTOM virus>
Got a friend with a computer? Make a anti-virus boot disk.
OR... Welcome to Dreamcast Internet!
Patrick Toman: <had the proper zen "all things will pass" mentality>
That would cause alot of predator deaths... until one predator evolved to the point of having stomach acid that disolved the stone.
Niamhgold: <Well, JPG doesn't come up as an attachment, it comes up as a picture on its own.>
But you can still save it.
I say save it in TGA or PSD format. Given, your upload time will be REALLY long then, but it is of the highest quality (0% compression)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 02:07:49 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com
** Niamhgold enters--with an explosion **
Aacck!
Before I make posts, I definitely need to figure out how to get this miniposter mailed off! I got an e-mail back that said the G2K staff got my e-mail, but there was no attachment. And now, when I attach anything, my HOtmail page says it cannot find the server (was having the same problems all weekend). Well, JPG doesn't come up as an attachment, it comes up as a picture on its own.
So, my question is--what format can I save a ZIP file in so it comes as an attachment, not a picture on the E-mail page? I've never had this problem before!
Thanks,
Niamhgold
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 01:37:19 PM
IP: lac-flex107.ncia.net
Nope, we have two RP's it looks like, but it's interesting that they are starting to be labeled. SOunds Very DBZ ish, which is cool. Make sense....also, sorry if I sounded pompus in my RP, but Gasper's Powerlevel is on par with Super Goku 4 and Super Vegeta 4.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 01:12:23 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
Welcome to all the de-lurkers. Somehow, your sanity has been removed.
**RP RELATED**
3 RPs in this room? Is that a record? Winterwolf, I need to borrow NCA, DC, and Netlag for tomorrow's RP. Expect email clarifying what the plans are.
**END RP RELATED**
Could everyone limit themselves to 2 posts per day? I know it takes some effort, but the results would be ease of flow.
Gargoyle writing - Oral traditions only? I guess as long as too many old warriors were not killed, the clan could always update a new historian. But, still, whoever the historian was would want to write down the history as a backup plan. Would not the oldest gargoyle clans start to develop writing because their history was so long?
Human/Gargoyles which came first: If Humans came first, gargoyles probably would have been wiped out sooner (assuming Greg does not contradict this). Early humans would have (as do some present day humans) view gargoyles as unnatural and slaughtered gargoyles wholesale. But if Gargoyles came first, would not some Gargoyle clan have records of early humans?
Gargoyle ancestory - stone sleep as a form of hibernation? Somebody would have to find a halfway point surely for that to be true. For all we know, Gargoyles could be a curse upon some unruly humans by fey. (I would hate to see Demona's reaction to that fact if it were true) But on the other hand, a species that could turn to stone (and back) at will would be more advantageous than gargoyles unless this other species lacked physical strength. This other species could have used the stone transformation as a primary method of healing. This other species would have to be an ancestor of Gargoyles, but should have surived. Is this the other species that turns into stone? If so, what is its name?
**BFTS RP continues**
"So nobody can trace it back to you two? If someone does, you know the consequences." said Fred Hitman.
"Exactly. We will begin negotiations to buy the new equipment." replied Elaine Wiseman and Alex Freedman.
"Only buy 12 suits and 4 sonic cannons. I want to make sure these new itmes are cost effective." said Fred Hitman.
"Right away." said Alex and Elaine.
MEANWHILE while DPH and Plastique are on the way home, they talk.
"Why didn't you press Self-ReBoot for information on other allies or villains?" asked Plastique Saber.
"Simple. When she mentioned helping DC and Netlag, I figured sooner or later she'd learn about me frying DC's clones. I didn't want to agitate her further." said DPH.
"Ok. Good call then. I was told that if I learn magic, I could increase my salary," said Plastique Saber.
"I would advise against learning magic. Casting the spells drains energy of the user. Since I can easily replenish energy, it's no big deal to me. Besides, there are times when not knowing magic is a good thing. That 1st ring I gave Winterwolf is one of them." said DPH.
"Somehow, ITAG has heard rumors about that 1st ring. I didn't want to believe it, but after hearing the whole story about it I see what you don't wear it. How do you plan on getting the 2 rings to cooperate?" asked Plastique.
"I have a long-term solution in mind. This solution will require the help of SuperSpeed and someone else. If SOS agrees to help me, I have the long term solution ready. If not, Jason will have to be carefull." said DPH.
"Any suggestions on other things I could do to increase my value?" asked Plastique.
"Hmm. I don't know. I am wondering about taking Jason Filler along with me the next time I take an assingment from ITAG. He could use the money." said DPH.
"How much would he earn?" asked Plastique.
"$50/hr. With my powers, I can swing an extra $50/hr to add one person." said DPH.
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:54:31 AM
IP: max1-51.cwy.cei.net
DJ> <<In fact, some psychologists don't consider _any_ behavior to be instinctive: everything is learned at some point.>> I wonder how they explain a baby's instinct to suck when it's born? No one teaches a newborn to suck, they do it instinctively.
Languages: everyone who is physically able to make sounds, will develop a language. It may not be understandable to others, but it will be their "own" language.
Interesting though - if a child is left alone without guidelines, control, or remove the basic needs he/she will develop animalistic behaviors. Heh, I've seen proof of that in the classroom ;) Seriously though, they will become out of control and begin ravaging around as if they were a wild animal.
Interesting comments though on this topic :)
Thanks to everyone who answered my question on Angela/Goliath/Demona =) I have not seen the episode mentioned. We just got 'Toon Disney last month and I'm still trying to catch as many Garg episodes that I can. Right now they are running the Goliath Chronicles.
Jannie
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:29:56 AM
IP: 209-144-251-206.hou.port.mytelco.com
DJ: <<Your Dune example is proof that pain-avoidance is _not_ instinctive. Instinct, by _definition_, must be universal.>> the heart and lungs are organs not run by concious thought...but can’t some people slow down their pulse and respiration rate?
I doubt that when a hunter in a forest shoots a howler monkey {leaf eaters aren’t known for brains}, that it’s screaming curses at him and plotting revenge....subsuming pain [generally] takes a concious mind.
DJ: <<psychologists don't consider _any_ behavior to be instinctive: everything is learned at some point.>> in a matter of speaking, then yes......only it’s ‘learned’ through selective evolution. {ie, those voles who run towards the fox don’t pass on their warped minds}.
Rodlox
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 08:08:07 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
note: i apologize if i come off seeeming a ite short-tempered at anyone in here.
ps: two points if anyone can catch the reference i made in the The Ten Saga RP....
i think i may’ve confused you all, so i’ll repost my RP - this one’s the _The Ten Saga_:
**RP WARNING**
Location: random diner, Hell Creek, Montana {yes, there is such a place}.
Four people are sitting around the table: two men who look oddly similar depite their widely disparate ages, a woman who looks rather Greco-Mayan, and someone who looks different to them all: their boss.
“So, I take it you didn’t ask us out here for coffee,” the first man says, “or our health,” he mutters.
“On the contrary, Ezekiel,” their boss says, shaping a pile of salt into humanoid figures.
“He’s worried about our health?” exclaims the woman, sarcastic. “That’s it - the apocolypse’s here!”
“If the two of you don’t mind, I’ll continue here.” Silence for a few seconds. “That’s better. Rather than hear you whine about not being warned, I thought to let you know of Earth’s impending invasion by beings of various forms.”
“Extra work?” asks the other man.
“Only if you choose to. These creatures can’t hurt you - but only one or two of them are aware of that fact - and none know the _why_ of it.”
The woman nods. “We’ll consider it.”
The Devil nods. “That’s my good little Hellcops....oh, and some people seem to be under the mistaken impression that the Hell they’re currently experiencing - and I don’t mean the expression - comes from my Domain.”
Out of the corner of his eye, Zeke saw a man get up and put a quarter in the jukebox.
“What they don’t understand is that My place - where all three of you spent time - is worse in many ways.”
“So even if we get a hell on Earth, it won’t be home sweet home?” Zeke Stone asked innocently.
“Not at all. And remember,” finishing his artwork, “keep up the good work. You’re only down to - what? - 57, 32, and 43 souls respectively?”
The jukebox began to play ‘The devil went down to georgia’ {the fiddle song}.
The sand people crumbled, and the Devil was gone.
**END RP**
Rodlox - [Rodlox]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 07:45:25 AM
Warpmind: <<iron hand>> it's only time to worry if it's by Owen Burnet...{perchance, is it autographed?}. <G>
Kyryn: <<come to think of it, it could possibly be a response to one of the early ice ages.>> we’re still in an ice age technically.....normally, there isn’t ice over teh temperate/polar areas. so, maybe gargoyle populations are attached {somehow} to the glaciating periods...?
....and guess when The Little Ice Age was, folks? that’s right - one thousand years ago.
on a related note, the oxygen explosion on Earth, as well as diversification of life forms in the Cambrian, are theorized to have a connection with teh fact that - at the time - Earth was an iceball world!!
Toman: << If the origins of stone sleep are purely natural, they could go back to hundreds of thousands or perhaps even millions of years ago, to the first small rodent-like predecessors of the line that paralleled mammals and eventually gave rise to gargoyles.>> hhmmmm....so the mammallike reptiles and other critters of hte Permian period gave rise to gargs? i’m sure the platypus will be happy to hear that.
note: at the end of the Permian, at the dawn of the Triassic {sounds like one of the gargs’ spells, eh? <g>}....96% of ALL life on Earth died out!
DavidG.: <<Most animals hunt for food, and a statue doesn't taste very good.>> true enough...but a large # of animals swallow rocks, pebbles, etc to process their food....
...or, like Sea Lions, they swallow stones to weigh themselves down.
and then you have the additional problem of scent-marking: most animals rub against rocks and trees very hard, so their smell doesn’t drift off in the wind........possible time to be knocked over and shattered, even if it was accidentally.
Taleweaver: <<Since only two species turn to stone.>> gargoyles and - ?
Warpmind: <<Out of curiosity, what natural predators could gargoyles have during daytime? I, for one, can't think of any creatures that enjoy eating huge chunks of rock...>> sea lions, dodos, moas, dinosaurs - anything that requires gizzard stones for one purpose or another....particularly if {as Mr Toman says} the gargs were small first.
Gasper: <<On the other subjects. Who knows, it could be luck of the draw, again, genetics could be very different then the human way as it is for Gargoyles.>> true enough......as it is in humans, RNA plays a large part - and scientists think that RNA may’ve been the predecessor of DNA itself......and PNA as a theoretical pre-RNA system.
<<How many CR dwellers have fanfic?>> i do....most here also do. ::)
<<When you get down to it we are animals and do have some instincts.>> this brings to mind a good question: which group would have a harder time believing in evolution?: humans or gargoyles. on one hand, you have the _gargoyle variations vs the fact that they’re unique in the 5 Kingdoms_.....and on the other is _human physical uniqueness {near-naked bipedal flesh-eating primate...call Angel, we’re demons! <G>} vs genetic closeness to apes.
<<<this reddish flying creature was swooping down towards the camera> Are you talking about Brooklyn's older brother? :) Okay maybe it was his dad. Okay Okay I'm just guessing I'll admit it.>> for all i knew, it was his sister - i didn’t get a good look at the chest, if any.
Christine: <<Fia who is basically a humanoid pterodactyl,>> done the pic of her, and trying to get my scanner fixed....if you don’t approve of it when you see her, i can just toss her in the same clan as Gray Hownd {a garg with a greyhound body and a centaurish echo in the body plan}.
<<You know, I never intended this to become a debate on _human_ psychology. I was more interested in exploring _gargoyle_ psychology.>> that’s the downside: if you’re interested in psycology, the basics are there for every intelligent species.
<<Gargoyles, while being intellectually capable of writing, had no need of it. They had no economy to speak off except the most basic subsistence kind. Since they lived in relatively small groups, any important knowledge could be passed down orally.>> ...and in dangerous areas though {like frequent flooding and other hazards to gargoyle survival}...they’d need a way to preserve information for future generations, while also realizing that the entire clan could die at any day or night -- two solutions seem evident to me:
1) magical abilities storing data.
2) styles of writing take hold, with even linguistic variations in use over a wider range than humans would have {they can travel easier with their wings - but if they’re territorial, that’s negated}.
<<You know, real gargoyles would be an anthropologist's dream come true. And I bet that they would be among the first people calling for the protection of gargoyles in their "natural habitat." The possible insight into human development would be profound.>> and then both humans and gargoyles would ask/demand “where IS our natural habitat??”
real insight into human development would have to come from a member of the primate family...like if they found a family of Homo Errectus or H.Habilitus. studies of gargs would be no more helpfull in understanding humans than current dolphin/squid research.
**Battle For Tech Saga**
{for a Farscape fan, that holds multiple meanings}.
While Winterwolf was on the phone, Jason looked over at Rodlox. “So, exactly what plans do you have for our enemy?”
Rodlox did not even need to consider that answer, as it was an obvious one to him. “Extinction.”
“ ‘Extinction’?” Jason asked, not sure - “why?”
“That is the standard penalty for threats to my Community.”
Then both of them silently waited for Winterwolf {unless Jason has something else to say....}.
**END BFTS RP**
Rodlox
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 08:00:45 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
(Reads Warpmind's post and starts rubbing temples.)
Ok, I'm obviously doing a lousy job of getting the point across, so I'll just say one last thing and that's it. Your Dune example is proof that pain-avoidance is _not_ instinctive. Instinct, by _definition_, must be universal.
And Gside, your language example is very good, but while we _do_ have some inner motivation to develop language, language itself isn't instinctive. If it was, we would all speak _exactly_ the same language. It's the behavior that has to be instinctive, not the motivation.
Oh, never mind. If you want to know more, look it up in a psych textbook. Hardly any psychologists today believe that humans have instincts and their words might be more convincing than mine. I do like Taleweaver's point though. It's certainly plausible that what we consider instinctive behavior today could have been learned behavior at some point in an organism's evolution. In fact, some psychologists don't consider _any_ behavior to be instinctive: everything is learned at some point.
Anyway, I'm dropping this subject now. Sorry it went on so long.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 07:55:15 AM
IP: ppp-41.rb5.exit109.com
May 31, 2000. Just 65 days remaining until The Gathering 2000. Just 30 days remaining to pre-register. Registration and payment is due by June 30, 2000 to beat the higher at-the-door rates.
Also, attention all filkwriters... the deadline for submission for the G2K filkbook is June 15, 2000.
Hope to see as many people as possible in Orlando!
Turning to stone > Turning to stone seems to me to offer a lot more survival advantages for a small creature than it does for a larger one, so that's one reason I'd tend towards believing it evolved early on in the evolution of the gargoyle line. A small bottom of the food chain creature that could turn to stone when threatened - and later, when performing activities like sleeping that made it vulnerable to easy predation - would have an excellent survival stragegy, more powerful than even porcupine quills. Conceivably, it could even still be swallowed whole by the predator and still survive, provided it was patient enough and had the proper zen "all things will pass" mentality. >:)
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 06:45:38 AM
IP: ac8fa191.ipt.aol.com
*Warpmind enters, seeming puzzled.*
You language nuts here, I encountered a ship in TIE Fighter I wonder about... Manus Ferre, that translates to "Iron Hand", right? No biggie, it's just been poking at my neurons for a while...
Daniel Johnson: Well, say what you like, but I still say that humans have instincts, too. We're just able to overrule them. Ever seen "Dune"? The scene where Paul Atreides shoves his hand into that pain inducing box thingie? That's what I mean; any human would instinctively flinch and withdraw his hand; he managed to overrule the instinct.
Rodlox: Um... something like that, yes... though, where snakes are concerned, in my book, it's the instincts that go into overdrive with most people... in fact, I hear that one of the best things to do when you hear a rattlesnake is to not move. 'Course, this *could* be wrong... and I hope I don't wind up in a situation where this will go to the test...
Cyborg: Hunters in the Maze? What for? We don't want to run the risk of losing employees...
Which brings me on to...
Wilek: I will try to scan the first sketches I have; I'm sure the Jacob's Gate will be to your tastes, as will Incinerator Lane... ]:)
DPH: Out of curiosity, what natural predators could gargoyles have during daytime? I, for one, can't think of any creatures that enjoy eating huge chunks of rock...
Robby: December 19th, according to an e-mail from SJ... oh, and a thing about the music from Lion King... wasn't a lot of it made by Elton John? Last time I checked, he's still British, rather than American...
Christine: Aw, no Black Roses printed? Well, heck with that, just get the cast from Gargoyles to do the reading for the audio book version. :)
WinterWolf: Um, I wouldn't store the drink for too long if I were you... last time I did that, I had to hunt it down a month later... oh, and that lock idea of yours... noted.
Well, that's it for now. Cheerio, guys.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 06:24:02 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no
And the color and pic settings (Grey/Lex) don't
work because the DC's browser stinks. Please kill
me. It'll save my carpal tunnel syndrome the trouble.
Wilek AGAIN
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 05:23:10 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com
<--My state of mind right now...
Possible bad news...I'm posting from my Dreamcast. My
PC has reported the PHANTOM virus in its memory (but I scan
all my downloads... O_o'). The point being that I
won't be able to post here or send or recieve email
until this is resolved, however long that takes.
Hopefully not long enough to justify this, but one
never knows. Try not to cheer too loud. ;P
PS> The DC's web browser stinks. Just thought I'd
share that.
Wilek
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 05:10:35 AM
IP: apx-1-86-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net
I forgot: I'm too tired to make a decision and ftp, so the mp3 will be changed after I wake up tomorrow, probably after two, but not likely until three.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 04:43:18 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
Aaron> <<I spent ten minutes afterward going "I DON'T LIKE THIS ENDING!">>: So, when's Death/Rebith lined up?
<<My Evangelion S^2 Works came today>>: So you did break down and get it. Enjoy.
SOROW> <<they take about twenty people total and my brother is the youngest one there>>: Then many congratulations to him for such an achievement.
<<Everyone who knows him thinks he's a jazz god>>: It's not that hard: C,Ef,F,Fs,G,Bf,C.
Sev. Jr.> <<Mmm....love cooking on the grill. Nothing like the taste of charred mammal flesh>>: I completely agree with the literal interpretation of that sentiment. I rather enjoy grilling (my technique: first mut it on, then go do something else, then (most importanrly twiddle the meat (really))), and if done right, can be quite tasty.
<<they frown on harems in this country>>: Who cares what they think?
Robby> <<ALL American music, considering our 500 year history and all>>: And what about such music as Yeha-Noha?
Daniel Johnson> <<the key word to this discussion is _behavior_>>: Which is why language acquisition is so funky. It follows all characteristics of innate behavior: emerges fore needed for survival, not a decision, no external even responsible for onset, no direct reaching, developmental milestones (specific errors at certain times), and a critical period.
tR Mrs. Morgan> <<Roll up a random gargoyle and send in the resulting pics or stories>>: But how to make sure they were random? Ask for the rolls (assuming there will added dice) and input them into a randomness calculator (shouldn't be too hard to make, but would probably require a much greater volume of data)?
<<Just "Get some!" would probably be best, but you got the point>>: But the come makes it more of a Dukeism.
Janine> Wings: Memory metals. There is a lab at Rutgers that is working on prosthetics that use voltage activated memory metal wires to act as muscles and tendons. (see: http://www.ece.rutgers.edu/labs/facilities.html#rmmil (I don't think they have their own website))
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 04:40:57 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
'nuqDaq yuch Dapol'
I am a tad bit purturbed! These wings a a royal pain the the rear end! I can make them cape over my shoulders but they won't spring back up. I can make them stay up but they won't cape around my shoulders. I now many of you will say," You can't have your cake and eat it too!" but I need them to do both otherwise they won't fit in the car and/or them will get ruined by people if they don't cape. If they do cape, it will ruin the whole effect I want to give off and will be even less recogonized. Sorry about that I'm just a little frusterated. If you have any ideas or comments please don't hesitste.
Sevarius Jr.> I thoughtI was the only one that called hamburgers 'chared mamal flesh'!!:)
Racer X> Regarding Memorial Day... In my family tradition and "culture" we celebrate the lifes of the people that have passed, we do not mourn their deaths. Of course in my family we all get drunk off our a$$es after the servace so it is typical of us to party on days such as this. We also celebrate the fact that we get a day off!
Aaron> I love playing Magic. I've never been in a tournament but I love to play none the less. I just remembered... The Game Keeper holds an MTG league on Thursdays. I should start going. Thanks for the subtle reminder:)
Gargoyle Topic> If stone sleep is something that has been "inherated" over the millenia, perhaps in the millenia to come the will evolve past it's usefullness; much like we are forever evolving. My mother believes that my step-brothers lack of wisdom teeth is the effect of evolution, since we really don't need wisdom teeth. But I don't know just a guess. Oh, and as to the gargoyle that looks like Brooklyn in the opening sequence Gargoyles, I always thought it was Brooklyn's father.
See you all tomorrow (in my case any way):)
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 02:44:21 AM
IP: phx-231.treknet.net
Dreamcast fans, click my name. I promise you will find this very, very entertaining. >:)
Wilek
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 02:01:05 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com
Psychology and genetics> Ah now he is a thought that might spin things around. At what point do learned behavior becomes hard-wired genetics. Taking the spider web analogy a little further. At some point in the spider's ancient past, they didn't know how to spin webs. From a serendipotous ocurrence a proto-spider (go with me on this one) spun a web, caught a fly and lasted longer than it's others. Over time, web-spinning became a learned behavior and at some point instinctual. Now for gargoyles, this might make for some interesting discussion. Since only two species turn to stone. One might wonder when turning to stone was an advantagous to survival. What conditions made that an advantages and when it ceased becoming a learn ability (something you can do at will) to an instinctual.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 01:28:12 AM
IP: ced60-112.ced.csupomona.edu
Hi guys
Just wondering about the responses to my fics.
I really don't have time to do both,they sound
great to me,but I want feedback should I go
with future tense or irish clan. Let me know
which won to put on the back burner and which
one to bring to life. Thanks!!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 01:09:10 AM
IP: usr3.cqc.com
****Begin RP--Ten Saga****
Heading back to the Stormrunner, his scouter started picking up the strange signal, along with the message. He recorded it into the comlink's limited memory, and played back the power level. Stopping suddenly, he turned on the scouter and looked around, seeing it was picking up anywhere from 50 to five hundred miles away. His mind rolled over the power level of the alien.
"225,000. Damn, now that's something ya don't see everday, save about half the LOF. Still, with Signa Group out on a mission, I might have to take this one myself." He continued flying towards his ship, gaining some speed....
****END ROLEPLAY************
Hey folks. Figured I'd start in on Number four saga too, can't wait to rumble with this challenge...though if you do get anyone up in the Cell powerlevels or beyond, then it's REALLY time to have fun. Sorry.
Robby---some of my first paycheck is going towards The beginning of the Trunks Saga, the first two video's with Cyber Freeza. Should be pretty kick Arse. That, and I hear movie 4 is getting dubbed right around now. Can't wait to see that one either. World's Strongest, 4 Kamehameha's, plus Piccolo's Mouth Beam, and it didn't put a dent in Wheelo. That was awesome. Another personal fave though is Dead Zone. Great plot behind it, and involves a lot of good characters. Other then that, Piccolo is my fave character so far, though I can't wait to see Trunks. Also watching the Japanese eps on I-channel. That's great stuff too.
On the other subjects. Who knows, it could be luck of the draw, again, genetics could be very different then the human way as it is for Gargoyles.
Stone Sleep- Two kinds, but the magic one the Magus used would have to keep them asleep for a long time, so I don't think they aged at all, though it's amazing they didn't get damaged or anything.
That's all on my end. Awaiting inclusion into the main line, whenever.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:28:52 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4
One thing I missed.
Winterwolf: I definitely recommend Niamhgold's fics to you, hope you enjoy them. Also recommend Spike's (under Christi Smith Hayden), Christine's (under Christine Morgan), and Stephen R. Sobotka's. Also, if I may do a bit of shameless self-promotion, mine. :)
Good night everyone.
Doug Elder
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:12:38 AM
IP: pool-209-138-214-151.dlls.grid.net
Niamhgold> Sorry. I thought I had your name down pat. :(
Good night everybody!
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:12:21 AM
IP: 2cust87.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net
**WARNING- RP AHEAD**
The screen comes on to display Abdullah, who is now wearing a loud gray business suit with a red carnation and sitting in a well-equipped office watching a television news report. His phone rings and he picks it up. "Boss, it's Yevi," the caller greets him. "I'm at the Ankara International Airport and they've shut it down in response to the calls I made." "Good work," Abdullah smiles. "What's going on now?" "The men you sent are inside searching for Erin Bey and her companion," his henchman answers, "who I've still not been able to identify. The men will find him soon, though. I have them taking and executing hostages, so that the airport is kept at a high level of terror." "Good. That should work to our advantage. Remember, though, they must be taken alive." "Yeah, I know," Yevi answers. "I gave the men orders to make sure of that." There is a pause. "Saddam was going to check the customs office, but he hasn't checked in. I better investigate." "Do that," Abdullah says, then hangs up and turns back to the news report, smiling as the reporter on the screen announces that Ankara International Airport has been taken over by an unknown number of heavily armed terrorists who have so far not made any demands. The Middle Eastern crime baron is about to change the channel to see what other news reports have to say when a figure steps into the room and gets his attention with a polite cough. It then points at the TV. "I assume this airport business is your handiwork?" it asks in a deeply calm voice. "Yes," Abdullah nods. "I'm settling an old score with someone who's there. It's my business, you need not concern yourself with it." "On the contrary," the figure snaps. "I am concerned with all that you do, Abdullah bin Aziz. We have an important business arrangement, remember?" "This does not impact it," Abdullah growls. "It's my business and it will be over very soon." "I hope so," the figure chuckles dryly. "If we should be exposed before our success, and you are the cause…" It makes a sweeping gesture with one black and gold arm. "You know what will happen. Get this wrapped up quickly, Abdullah, whatever it is. Or I shall ask my associate to give you her attentions." Abdullah nods, shivering slightly as the figure turns and leaves, its gargoyle-shaped shadow playing across the floor. Abdullah watches it go nervously and waits until the office door is closed before turning back to his TV.
Meanwhile, in the Ankara International Airport, Gubio, Mist, and Erin are running towards the main waiting area, from which echoes of machine gun fire are constantly emitting. "How many?" Erin asks as they reach the door to it from the hallway they're in and Gubio hesitantly looks out. "I see about seven bad guys, and a lot of dead bodies and people running away. They're letting them go. No, wait, they're mowing them down from behind. Oh, never mind, let's just stop them." Mist meows in agreement and Erin nods to show she feels the same way. The three then raise their weapons and dash into the room, quickly identifying their targets and shooting before the terrorists can spin around. Five of the seven in the room are downed, three by Mist's chaingun and the other two by Gubio and Erin's smaller weapons. The scared people in the room continue fleeing as the shooting goes on. The two terrorists who don't initially go down try to dive for cover, but one's scream of surprise is cut off by a loud barking and seconds later a large Airedale leaps out from behind a row of seats, knocks him down, and rips out his throat. The other terrorist brings up his weapon, but a red dot appears on his head and in the next instant he is killed by highly accurate sniper fire. Gubio and Mist see him fall and look around for who shot him, seeing a tall handsome Arabian man with ruddy features dressed in desert brown robes and clutching a Dragunov sniper rifle. The Airedale runs to his side and he pats it, staring at them as the dog barks. For a moment Gubio and Mist stare back at him, the latter hissing hesitantly "Bessus!" Erin then calls out, lowering her head covering and the stranger brightens. "Erin!" he smiles, walking forward with his hand out. "You're here, and you're alright! I was worried." Erin smiles back and embraces him as Gubio frowns in confusion. Mist meanwhile exchanges yelps and hisses with the dog. "Bessus, this is Alex Cleary," Erin introduces Gubio. "I believe I've mentioned him to you. Gubio, this is Bessus, my best friend." "Uh, charmed," Gubio grins sheepishly, lowering his guard and putting out his hand. "This is Mist, my uh, partner." Mist meows. "Sorry if we appeared threatening," Gubio continues, "you kinda startled us." "I'm good at that," Bessus replies with a laugh as he shakes. "It's good to finally meet you, Alex Cleary. Erin has told me you are a good friend to her as well. Her father and I came to meet you and her at this airport, but then these terrorists appeared and…" "Father?" Erin interrupts to ask. "Where is he?" "Downstairs at the baggage claim. He wanted to wait there while I went in, I being the one with military training and all." Erin looks at Gubio. "We must go and find him quickly, make sure he is safe." "Right," Gubio agrees, then turns back to Bessus. "You're coming with us?" He nods. "Of course." "Well then," Gubio replies, "let's go." The others nod in agreement and together they go running out of the room as the screen goes blank.
**TEMPORARILY END RP**
Hi there CR dwellers. :) Well, time to begin my first post of this week. Not much news to report in my life, this is the downtime between spring and summer classes and so not much is going on. My Memorial Day weekend went well <moment of silent respect for all veterans>, but nothing big happened on it. :( I think you have all heard by now that Kit and I won't be attending A-Kon this year. Disappointment, because we really wanted to go. <sigh> Oh well, those of you who are going please have fun on our behalf, and be sure to tell us all about it when you get back. :) In other news, I have begun Part 3 of Night of the Symbiotes. Thanks again to Niamhgold and Peter for the feedback that helped me get started on it. I would like to receive more, but I know it's probably not forthcoming. <sigh> (Prove me wrong, people. Please?) The story's conclusion is being shaped well, it promises to move quickly and wrap up a lot. If only work and writer's block would stop interfering, I could get it done faster. <shakes head> Oh well.
SOROW: 35 girls in the same house? Damn, that sounds like one heck of a slumber party. Not only that, they're all on drill team, so they would have to have great looks and reasonably decent personalities and levels of intelligence. One of them's you, so at least one would be above all the others in everything. I would have paid to have been there. <grins, then turns off male lust chip> Seriously, congrats on surviving the night. I'm sure it was hectic and crazy as hell. Glad you at least managed to pull it off okay. :) Hope you have fun at camp this summer. I never really did when I went to camp, the other guys were always total jerks and losers. :( I pray it won't be the same for you. Hurry back soon and tell us about it, okay? :)
CrzyDemona: Welcome back, and thanks for that hilarious airplane scene. LOL!
Jenna: You like Lady Pendragon too, huh? Well, Kit's recommended it to me in the past, and now you have too. Maybe I should check it out. The girls on the cover will at least be worth the look, maybe…<grin> Congrats to your husband on his gaming graphics design job offer, hope he gets the job. And I also hope to one day be seeing his work displayed on my computer. :)
Janine: <smiles> You're not the only one who could use their own car. Good luck to us both getting one someday. If only they weren't so damn expensive. :) My advice on your best friend and the girl you don't like- don't try to break them up. If it's not meant to be, they'll break it off on their own. You can make your exasperation with the situation known in subtle ways if you want, but don't risk your friendship by trying to force things yourself. You'll wind up with nothing but the pain that goes with losing a friend. Believe me, I know. :(
Christine: Have finished GURPS Villains now, and I thought it looked good. I'm surprised I got a copy before you (being in Austin may have helped). Nice job on the entries you contributed. Also, congrats on the audio book deal. I prefer the written form of books myself, but if audio is all that I can get, well, that's fine too. :) Sorry that a written book format deal for Black Roses hasn't been forthcoming. Oh well, at least some people out there have sense enough to recognize your talent. :) Good luck with getting the book recorded and published, especially in finding a good person to read it. I'll be eagerly waiting to buy and listen when it comes out. :)
Thanks to Winterwolf, Archwolf, Robby, SJ, Shadowrider, and everyone else who has welcomed Kit and me back. We appreciate it. Good to have so many friends. :)
Princess Mononoke: I too have seen and enjoyed this very inspiring and wonderful movie. Disney was insane not to distribute it more, glad they're at least putting it on video. I will definitely be buying a copy and enjoying it many nights when it comes out. <grin>
SJ: So your dad might have cancer after all? :( Damn, just when I had my hopes up. Oh well, I'm still praying for him and for you. Hope the doctors will stop dancing around it soon and let you know for sure. Also hope he will be okay when this all is said and done. <sigh> Thanks for the Star Wars rumors, I too would like to see Boba Fett and Aura Sing working together (the latter looked pretty good in the last movie, she might just be an interesting character. My fingers are crossed, just in case :). Hope the new Sith Lord is cool too. And glad that you agree with us about Lazio and the New York Senate race. May Hillary lose, and lose big! :)
Starsinger: I caught that salute to Charles Schultz. Very good and inspiring, even if it should have been done much sooner IMO. Oh well, at least it was done. :)
Wilek: <I had entered my own name in a search engine, and eventually happened upon a link that announced that some new technological system called 'Nereus' is being used in a joint strike fighter project. When I tried to click the link, I was presented with a password entry form, for which I did not have the password.> Spooky. :) Wonder what this Nereus stuff is (hope to one day find out).
Jannie: Good that your daughter is happy again, and that you're somewhat happier yourself as a result. Hope the situation will continue to be such. Keep letting us know how it develops, okay? :) Good luck getting your stomach problems resolved too, however long it takes. <sigh>
Matthew: Welcome to the CR and the RP. Hope you enjoy being here. :) Your idea about Fang being the twins' godfather sounds plausible, but I think Lex being it might make a bit more sense. <hopes we find out the answer soon>
Warpmind: $ <nods> This may be the longest RP we've done yet. There's still no end in sight to it. :) $
Firestorm: Another 104 images for the CR, huh? Alright! I'm looking forward to them. :) Hope you and Lady Mystic can get the page with them uploaded soon, please let us know when you do so we can start using them. <grin>
Rodlox: The ep you spoke of is called "Lonely Hearts." One of my personal favorites in Angel's first season. And yeah, that's Doyle in there. <sighs, missing him>
Racer X: Welcome to you too. Hope you enjoy this place. Your comments on Memorial Day are a bit interesting, I too sometimes wonder whether it is an appropriate way of treasuring the memory of the dead. Then I remember what my grandfather told me once about how enjoying festivities on days when we remember the dead makes their spirits happy as well as us, and I feel a little better. There is something to be said for New Orleans style funerals. :)
<sighs> I think that's about all for tonight. Not much to say, as there aren't any new stories or TV shows for me to comment on right now, just topics for me to reply to and that's it. I'm also feeling a bit tired and depressed this evening. :( Hope I'm feeling better tomorrow. Later all.
**RP AGAIN**
"So what happens to Mansfield and me when we get to Area 51?" Leah is asking Tom as the screen comes back on. The Ravens' engineer, who is back guarding them again, shakes his head. "I don't know, but we're almost there now. Soon you'll find out." He hands her a cup of coffee. "Here, drink up. You look like you need it." The female soldier nods and takes the drink, smiling as she downs it. Tom looks down at the sleeping Mansfield. "I'd offer him one, but…" "I know," Leah interrupts him. "I think there's someone who needs it more, though." She points across the trailer at Doug, who is pacing back and forth wearing a nervous frown. "What's wrong with him anyway?" "I don't really know," Tom sighs. "He lost his memory in the fight where we captured you. We've been trying to help him but it hasn't been working. You saw Kitainia trying to talk to him earlier, right?" Leah nods. "Well, she's his girlfriend, and even she couldn't get him to calm down. I'm really worried." "Hmm," Leah grimaces. "I think I am too. I probably shouldn't be, considering I'm your prisoner, but I am." Tom nods and is about to thank her when the truck jerks to a stop. "Ladies and gentlemen," Kit claps her hands for attention as she comes out of the cab, "we have just arrived at Area 51." She is answered with a cheer from Boris and Elena, while Keith, Orion, and Lathrop nod and smile, and Doug and Bardic nod as well. "I think they'll be sending a welcoming committee, let's get out and meet it." The others nod and follow her toward the trailer's back door, which Stephanie has just opened from outside. Tom looks at Leah. "We'll be back," he says. "Stay here." "You're not going to guard us?" she asks, frowning. "I don't think we need to," Tom answers. "We did call ahead, say we had prisoners." He points at a pair of Borg security troopers who are walking in. "These two will watch you till we get back. Sorry if they're not much on conversation." "That's alright, I guess," Leah frowns, unnerved as she gets a blank stare from the two Borg. "I'll see you later then." "Yeah," Tom nods. "See you." He then turns and walks out.
Outside the truck, the other Ravens are grouping together in front of Area 51's main administrative building, standing next to a number of other Borg troopers that are watching them. They are not attacking, but still menacing in the extreme. "You'd think these guys would see us as friends after all we've done for them," Jammer sighs as he looks the Borg over. "Yeah," Tricia agrees. "Guess they don't." "What is this place?" Doug asks, looking around at the administrative buildings, hangars, and airfield. "It gives me the creeps." "It's Area 51," Kitainia answers. "Formally a government base, now it belongs to a guy you might call our sponsor. I've told you about him. His name's Wilek Nereus." "Oh, right," Doug nods, "you said he wasn't affiliated with the government officially, but does run a large share of their elite Special Forces bureaus." He frowns and points at the administration building's entrance as it opens. "Is that him?" Kit turns and looks, nodding as she sees Wilek Nereus and Miriam Baxter coming out and heading towards them with a few more Borg just behind. "Yeah, but I didn't expect he'd be here. Wonder what's going on." "Judging from the look on his face, I'd say an emergency," Stephanie grins. "Boy oh boy." Wilek hears her words and also smiles, looking the Ravens over. "Hello, Doug," he says, "Kitainia. Everyone. Where's the rest of you? And who's this?" he adds, looking at Bardic. "It's a long story," Kit answers. "You look like you have one to tell us too." "Indeed I do," Wilek sighs. "It's not a good one either. Why don't you all come inside? We can talk there." The Ravens look at each other and frown, but nod, deciding that they'd better. "Someone will look over your truck and fix the damage while we speak," Miriam adds, vainly trying to brighten the mood. "Okay," Kit says. "Let's go inside then." Bardic and the Ravens chorus agreement and then follow Wilek as he turns and goes back into the administrative building. The screen fades out as the last Raven going in, Boris, enters and the Borg guards start to go in behind.
**UNTIL NEXT POST, END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:09:21 AM
IP: pool-209-138-214-151.dlls.grid.net
I was wondering. The computer seems to hang for a while when I go to the fanfic page. How many CR dwellers have fanfic? I've decided to start checking it out. I'm reading through all of Niamhgold's fics first, but am curious to see what other fics I should look at once I've read all those. ^_^
Green Baron> <most desolate and evil place in America, Cleveland> Really? I did not know that. I've never been there. Is it really all that bad? :)
Warpmind de InzanE> <bubbly, iridescent green liquid> This stuff looks a little too potent and harsh for my delicate system. I'll just save it for a special occasion. ^_^ <keys and locks> Make it tougher by having some keys turn clockwise to open other counterclockwise. Then if you turn it the wrong way you also get a big surprise.
Starsinger> Thanks for the wolf info! So there really is good and bad in everything. Hmm. Wolves certainly are an interesting bunch. :)
Matthew> Hi Matthew! I miss Sata too. Still I got the impression that the twins spend quite a bit of time in the future. I also got the impression the Brooklyn will have to deal with Harthoth, Isafet and Apep. That could take a while and keep Brooklyn in the future for a long time. That's just my take on things though.
Instincts> I believe people and gargoyles have instincts. You don't consciously decide every single action. There are times you just react. It is difficult to prove either way because there are so many behaviors that are learned. When you get down to it we are animals and do have some instincts. It is just that after we are initially seized by an instinctual response we can choose to stop acting on that instinct. It doesn't make it any less of an instinct. That's my opinion anyway.
Robby> You know it sounds like a comedy/action story IMO.
Rodlox> <this reddish flying creature was swooping down towards the camera> Are you talking about Brooklyn's older brother? :) Okay maybe it was his dad. Okay Okay I'm just guessing I'll admit it.
Wilek> <I think that was me. :)> Actually Niamhgold tossed one out recently. <Hm...Practice your vapid Cockney accent a bit and I'll get back to you. ;)> Zort! I mean... a monkey in a tutu would neva do the tango. Troz! Aha ha ha haa! (If you could only hear me you would be afraid. Very afraid.)
Brooklyn> I could probably render the pics for you. Unless Fire Storm wants to do it. :)
Gside> <Forgot the carat > I sure did! (10^100 not 10100)
Fire Storm> <I am taking you all with me!> Make sure to make the correction in all the yearbooks you sign. ;p <model them too> I'd guess yes but what do I know. BTW - I'd be happy if you want to do it. Less work for me. :) Mmm modeling...
Mecord> I wanted to ask my friend for you since he works in the NYPD but I couldn't get a hold of him. Polling the CR it looks like the answer is 9mm. I'll let you know what he says when I get a hold of him. This could take a few days. :(
Shadowrider> <assisted suicide> This is a difficult subject. It is interesting how for the most part we'll put a pet to sleep (kill it with lethal injection) but we hook up people to devices to prolong their life as long as their life can be prolonged. If someone is in pain and wants to die I think that person should have the right. It is one of those things that I feel you require the conscious decision of that individual. Now in the case of a comma or where a conscious decision is not given then I feel they should be kept going. That is unless they have clearly stated that they would want to die if they are in that situation. Okay as for assisting someone to kill himself or herself. I personally don't believe I'd be able to do it. I've never been in the situation before so I don't know for sure but I doubt that I could. It's not that I would want them to suffer. There are other things I'd wonder about. Is it possible that they may recover given time? Is the individual emotionally and mentally stable enough to have carefully considered all the options? Is it right or okay? I'll think so but it should be extremely rare. You need to be absolutely certain and have their consent that this is the best action to take. In addition I'd feel the need to ask other people who are close to the one suffering. This may sound somewhat trivial in comparison but I feel it is somewhat appropriate one time when I hurt myself badly I felt that I wanted to die. I never told anyone this. All of you reading this are the first to know. Now I was hurt but even without going to the hospital I would have been okay. It just would have taken longer to heal up I imagine. Now once I regained consciousness I felt absolutely awful. I wanted the pain to go away. You know I didn't get any painkillers at all. Anyway, after several hours the pain went away and a couple of weeks later I was back to full health. My point is that it is tough to say what will happen or what the future holds. If your body is still fighting and struggling for life should that life be terminated? To sum up my answer is no don't do it. However I will not say that my answer is always no.
Naimhgold> <green eyes> I have green eyes too! It comes from somewhere on my father's side. He has hazel and my mom has brown. I'm still working on sending you the first critique, but I'll be done soon. I'll also be reading your next fic starting tomorrow. ^_^ <pics> I believe you can use .gif or .jpeg (.jpg) but don't quote me on that.
DPH> <keeping RP no more than ½ post size> I just completely guess. I use the by eye method for the most part. It keeps it reasonably close. <I am wondering if Brooklyn have got the chance to lead the clan> I like this question. It's a question I thought about a while back. Why didn't I post it? Oh well. I don't really see him getting the chance. He is older than Goliath now. I don't see Goliath stepping down anytime soon. So short of his being incapacitated in some way Brooklyn won't get the chance. Let me add to the question. If Brooklyn is not the next leader of the Manhattan clan who do you think will be the next leader?
******BFTS -RP******
After they finish eating. Jason asks Winterwolf, "Do you have any spells that I can use or that will help us when we all have to fight?"
"Hmm. Actually I might have something good." Winterwolf takes out a parchment from his pouch. "This is a spell of summoning. It supposed to summon a powerful being who will usually agree to help you but will typically require something in return."
"Usually?" Jason repeated.
Winterwolf places the parchment on the floor and traces the pattern on it with his finger.
A portal expands out from the parchment consuming it in the process. Winterwolf and Jason step back. A large being steps out of the portal.
Jason gasped upon seeing the newcomer. Winterwolf was relieved at Jason's subdued response. They both examined the new arrival.
The creature was remarkably like a gargoyle - from the bipedal pair of three-taloned toes, to the short muzzle on the head - though without wings. The eyes were a light grey, with solid black slits for pupils - which lay horizontal, rather than vertical and catlike. The head was devoid of hair or spines.
Winterwolf keeping his eyes on Rodlox bows respectfully. "My name is Winterwolf. This is Jason Filler. I summoned you here to help us defeat a powerful enemy. Name the favor you seek for your help and if it is within my power I will give to you."
"The goal I seek is a reduction of technology." Once the shock wears off of Jason Filler and Winterwolf, Rodlox continues: "However, as your enemy is using methods my Community considers unethical, I shall assist you.
"Do you accept my offer of aid?"
"I accept and I vow to assist you in your goal. We have two other allies and I mean no disrespect but I must contact them now." Winterwolf used the phone to call DPH and briefly summarized what had happened to DPH. He couldn't tell if he was angering his new ally or not.
Jason and Winterwolf both wondered what and how much of a reduction was desired.
**Meanwhile in a secure room filled with electronics.**
Self-ReBoot appeared before Netlag and DC.
"Hi" DC and Netlag said in unison.
"Hello DC, Netlag. I've come to help you out."
"Well, we have been having a terrible time with NCA." DC stated.
"I've heard. Maybe you can help us get some of NCA's power. We need to figure out a way to have him give us some of his power to help him but mostly to help ourselves." Netlag added.
"I think I know how you can trick him and I'll help you do it." Self-ReBoot paused watching the eager faces on Netlag and DC. "DPH visited me earlier. We will show NCA that DPH and his friends have the power to isolate him from technology and relocate him to a world devoid of life and technology. Then we can inform him the only way to be sure that their efforts fail is if we keep a portion of his power to return him to us."
The three of them grin wickedly and continue plotting.
******END BFTS -RP******
Jenna> Tell your husband congrats!
Christine> <Random gargoyle generator> Sounds very cool. Using d100? or d20? :)
Racer X> Point noted. I didn't think about the true purpose of the day myself. :(
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:07:48 AM
IP: 2cust87.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net
Here are some random thoughts I was having...
Since Memorial day has just passed us, it occurred to me that we have an odd way of celebrating tragic events. Does anyone else feel odd? What I mean is a war will occur, thousands of loved ones will die, and what is our reaction to this tragic event? We get a day or two off to go and party. Now, I realize that this was not ment to happen per say. We receive the vacation time to, hopefully, remember our lost heros. But is that really what most ppl do? I had never really considered it before today, but it is almost amusing. Uncle Ted died in battle, so today we skip school and have hotdogs. *shrugs* I don't really have any profound material to back this up. I just thought I'd point it out and see what other ppl had to say. Any comments on this thought?
Racer X
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:43:17 PM
IP: spider-wl042.proxy.aol.com
Book news, continued > well, the bad with the good; I found out today that the agent who had been considering Black Roses decided to turn it down. So there will be a book-on-tape but still no progress with a print version.
Gargoyle genetics, origins, etc. > funny how these topics come up just when I'm wrestling with them in a story ... the theory I'm using is that gargoyles evolved from dinosaurs. Hence the many characteristics, such as Ophelia's crest and the ones I've created for many of my fanfic cast, esp. the Avalon Clan -- I watched "Walking With Dinosaurs" the night I was working on their descriptions <g>. So we have Aiden with a pteranodon crest, Coira who has many stegosaurian features, Fia who is basically a humanoid pterodactyl, a male with iguanodon thumb-spikes, another male with anklyosaurian spiky plate armor, etc.
But there's more to it than that, which is what Demona's finding out in the upcoming story "Lylth." Because she's getting the back story of what the demoness T'chambleau told her, about the origin of the gargoyle and incubi/succubi races. Which will also address the matter of the Dragon (as in "By the Dragon!").
As for "how I do it," as in coming up with garg designs, I mostly look at dinosaurs (one of my favorites was Rudy, created for the game I ran at G99; he had a head and neck like a pachycephalosaur and could do a diving ram attack that could batter down walls without hurting him). Or I will look to mythology (another character from that game, whose name I forget, was an Egyptian garg with feathered under-the-arm wings; we will be seeing that design again eventually when the Dissidents go to Egypt).
The rest of the time I just imagine. Like Damien's knee and elbow blades (which he inherited from his paternal grandfather, Dirk). I figure the throwback dino genes are just floating around in the collective garg DNA, so a hatchling could crop up with a dinosaurian feature several generations later.
Coloration for me is just a matter of thinking what would look neat, as in the descriptions of Jamie Cross and Svetlana of Volgasclan, the two gargoyle astronauts from the GIR contest (I really like the way those two turned out).
Actually, I had even been toying with the idea of working out a "random gargoyle generator" with tables to roll on for features such as wing style, type of tail, coloring, hair, horns, etc. That might, come to think of it, make a neat Challenge for the next AvMists! Roll up a random gargoyle and send in the resulting pics or stories! Hmm, fun ... I may just have to do that!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:17:27 PM
IP: 209.236.216.30
You know, I never intended this to become a debate on _human_ psychology. I was more interested in exploring _gargoyle_ psychology. So I'm going to say one last thing and then let everyone make up their own minds, unless someone _really_ wants to discuss it further.
Let's start with an example of true instinctive behavior. Many species of spider spin webs. Those spiders are hatched knowing how to do this. They don't learn it; the behavior is hard wired into their tiny brains. All members of a given species spin webs in exactly the same way. In fact, if you study such things, you can identify which species created a given web since the pattern doesn't change. Spiders have no choice in how they make their webs. This is instinct because it is an unlearned behavior that is universal across an entire species.
Now, the key word to this discussion is _behavior_. Fear is not a behavior, nor is "fight or flight." They are motivations. They are physiological responses to stimuli. In "fight or flight" responses your heart and breathing rates increase; adrenaline is pumped into your system; your body is primed for action. But, no action has yet taken place. No behavior.
What do you do now? Do you attack the source of danger or flee from it? Attack or flee, fight or flight: doesn't "or" imply a choice? How do you know what the correct behavior is in a given situation? By learning. And learned behavior is, by definition, _not_ instinctive. (Note that just because something is learned it doesn't have to be entirely conscious.) Furthermore, not all humans behave in exactly the same way in the same situation. Some are more likely to attack while others are more likely to run away.
I think I'm all psyched out now. :)
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Regarding the evolution of stone sleep: if we assume that stone sleep was not the result of magical intervention, then I think that gargoyles would have to be older than humans; otherwise, they would never have survived. Several good points have already been made about this and I can't think of anything new to add right now.
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DPH made some interesting comments about language and writing and this got me thinking. What possible use would gargoyles have for writing? The earliest known writing system is Sumerian cuneiform. The Sumerians initially used writing to solve a particular problem: how to keep track of economic transactions. They _needed_ writing so they invented it. "Necessity is the mother of invention." Gargoyles, while being intellectually capable of writing, had no need of it. They had no economy to speak off except the most basic subsistence kind. Since they lived in relatively small groups, any important knowledge could be passed down orally. (Hence spoken language _would_ be a good invention.)
Gargoyles would also have no reason to develop tools since they are already armed with an impressive array of natural weaponry. Humans need tools because we are weak and fragile creatures. We could not survive otherwise. Hmm, some anthropologists think that we developed big brains because we needed them to make tools and tools were essential to our survival. But, if gargoyles are as intelligent as humans and they don't need tools, then where did their intelligence come from? And what did human intelligence come from for that matter? You know, real gargoyles would be an anthropologist's dream come true. And I bet that they would be among the first people calling for the protection of gargoyles in their "natural habitat." The possible insight into human development would be profound.
Ack, that's enough on this subject for tonight.
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Gside:
RE: "Come get some"
Just "Get some!" would probably be best, but you got the point. :)
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Niamhgold:
Oooo, more Latin. I might suggest a couple of alternative translations for "clone." "Simulacrum" means image or reflection in a mirror, and "simulator" means imitator. Otherwise, I'd say to go with Shadowrider's suggestions.
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Matthew:
Congratulations on your delurking. I used to lurk and now look at me spouting off all over the place. It's always the quiet ones. ;)
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Jenna:
That's great! You both got new jobs around the same time? An omen maybe? :)
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That's it for now. Sorry for wearing everyone's eyes out.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:15:05 PM
IP: ppp-05.rb5.exit109.com
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You won't believe it!!!! My hubby just got offered a graphics job in a gaming company!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm bustin with pride!!!!! I am so glad he got this opportunity!!! ^__^
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JENNA
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:50:36 PM
IP: 1cust137.tnt6.stafford.tx.da.uu.net
Blood on clothes- I've found after the occassional nose bleed or cut or whatnot, that peroxide gets blood out of clothes rather well. The clothes have to be washed afterwards of course, but its a great way to save something, especially if applied right away.
Wilek- Gee, after a year and a half of your dark blue text, I'm just not used to seeing you in white. *Shrugs* Sure, its easier on the eyes and all, but still...
I don't blame you for being obsessed with One WInged Angel, its a realyl good piece. All the FF music is. (WHich is why I took the time to download most of it and copy it onto 12 hours of tape...) I just thought you weren't being fair when you compared it to ALL American music, considering our 500 year history and all...
And incidentally, are you saying you didn't like the songs in the Lion King?
Gasper- Always nice to meet a fellow DBZ fan. Mysef, I've seen all 13 movies, all of GT, most of Z, (About 250 episodes out of 291...) a large portion of the original series (Up past the red ribbon army saga) and have a few of the mangas. Heh. But Gohan's Masenko is actually taken from Piccollo's screw beam attack believe it or not. (The attack names have almost the same name when Piccolo's is in japanese). Gohan learns the kamehameha later on... And you think World's Strongest is good? Wait until movies 5 and 6 get here... They're arguably the best DBZ there is. (BEing the Cooler fight, a more or less condensed version of the Freezer fight, with none of the garbage and lots of improvements.)
Warpmind- The hellish invasion has been going since ecember eh? Hmm. Jim's last party was in December... And if my plans for the Ten battle go as planned, the whole hellish saga may go a ways longer yet...
Mecord- Number 4 was flying through space under her own power, not in a ship. *wink* But actually, all 9 members of the ten are going to arrive at their own pace...
Aaron- Fox and Hyena as Lina and Naga? Oh gaaaawd... Now I'm gouing to have to draw that don't cha know.
And I still have to convince my dad to let me go to A-kon. AH well...
SJ- Oh geez, they're actually bringing the live action Dragon ball movie here? WHY? Are they TRYING to kill the market? Oii... I've seen twenty minutes of that piece of **** and had to stop the pain then and there. *Shudder*
Matthew- No problem with you joining the RP, the more the merrier! Just remember, try to keep no more than half the post RP. You can bend the rule every now and again (I think I did last night) but its just something to be wary of. K? AND speaking of RP...
**RP- THE TEN SAGA**
Number 4 landed on earth. Gaawd she hated entering the atmosphere using just her body, the atmospheric burn up itched quite a bit. It didn't matter though. She looked at her silver armor, it was unscratched naturally. She concentrated a bit, and suddenly, every television and radio station in the world turned to a certain frequency, and a message started to broadcast (conveniantley translated into whatever language spoken by the listeners. THose of you here when the cyber smurf battle happened may remember he did the same trick.)
"People of 'Earth,' number four began. "Some time ago, your most powerful beings managed to defeat a creature known as the Cyber Smurf. That Smurf, with his power level of 25,000, was one of the weakest members of an elite group called The Ten. I am number 4, and I am nine times stronger than the cyber smurf was with my power level of 225,000, and every member of the ten after me is at least twice my strength. I request that all the powerul heroes of Earth come to meet me in two weeks. To face me in a challenge so I can test your strength and convictions. If no one comes to me in two weeks, I wil be forced to destroy the planet. Thank you, and have a nice day."
Elsewhere on Earth, a cry of "..." came from Black Tiger.
**END RP! AND Post...**
Robby
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:36:16 PM
IP: spider-tp043.proxy.aol.com
Hi, I just wanted to announce that the fic fragments I posted here a few weeks ago are now on the CFAN other fic round-robin board called Abduction, Trickster Visit and Demona goes to Avalon. Go check them out and add to them if you like, the X-Files crossover from a while ago scrolled off without ever getting an addition.
And just so this isn't totally advertisement, tell me something. How come so many people believe Future Tense or some portion of it was going to happen. In my opinion the fey never showed any sign of being precognative.
Jason barnett - [barnett@shentel.net]
Lebanon Church, VA, USA
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:26:17 PM
IP: ha07s044.d.shentel.net
<<<posible Star Wars spoilers stuff>>>
Yeah, I heard there is going to be another Sith in this one, the name I keep hearing is Darth Rage.Apparently a cyborg Sith this time around...
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:02:32 PM
IP: uv1cisco02-35.ultravision.net
**ANGEL-RELATED QUESTION & BRIMSTONE-RELATED QUESTION**
The ep that's on now of Angel - with teh thing coming out the guy's shoulderblades {what is it with that body part?} and eating singles - what's the ep name? and is that Doyle talking to Cordelia?
we've seen Zeke Stone get impaled, punctured, and tangled up.....what if a Highlander-style Immortal tried to take his head? just wondering.
**END**
Rodlox
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 09:35:55 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Sorrow>> I've posted a few times before but I mostly lurk but I think I'm gonna get more active since I'm gonna see about joining the RP that just started(see below) And as to the bit about who the twin's godfather if Fang saved the twins, it wouldn't be a surprise if Brooklyn and Sata made him their godfather in gratitude.
Blipverts>> Well, th-th-that's a ee-ee-easy one-un. The sh-sh-show in que-que-question is M-Max Headroom.
**RP- THE TEN SAGA**
Planet Earth
Matthew was gazing through his computerized telescope, observing a nearby constellation, when something passed across his field of vision like a shooting star. The telescope's built-in computer immediately analyzed the new object and projected a message on the screen that it was not a natural object. Matthew was intrigued.
"Scope, compute possible planetfall of object." he spoke to the telescope, which he had designed and built himself. It was only a moment before the processor spit back the results.
[Estimate object planetfall 20 miles NNE of current position] was displayed on the screen
"Fascinating." Matthew began packing up the telescope and put it in the trunk of his hovercar. Matthew had a lean build that suggested he spent a lot more time in the lab than in the gym. His clothes were ordinary except for his beltbuckle, which was in the shape of a green dragon head with red eyes.
Once the telescope was loaded into the hovercar, Matt got in the driver's seat, started the engine, and headed NNE towards the projected impact(landing?) site of the object.
"Could it be an alien ship?" he pondered to himself as he drove. "First Contact at last? I wonder if they'll be friendly. Aww, they gotta be! A violent species would never survive long enough to develop interstellar travel. They'd wipe each other out first."
Soon, Matthew's hovercar was almost to where the object should have landed. The exact site just over the next hill.
**TO BE CONTINUED**
(Hope you don't mind me joining the RP. I've been wanting to get in on an RP in the CR for a bit but I couldn't cuz I didn't know the characters or plot. I figure by joining at the start, I've got a shot at some real fun without needing to play catch up)
Matthew - [matts1@bellatlantic.net]
New City, NY, USA
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 08:55:24 PM
IP: adsl-151-202-107-82.bellatlantic.net
***BEGIN RP***
"VEGAS!!!" Sammael cried happily as he ran through the city streets. "Vegas! Do you know how long it's been since I've been in Vegas?"
"No," Kari replied rather dispassionately.
"1979. It was crazy here. I remember, I lost about 10K playing blackjack, and--"
"I hate to interrupt your fond memories," Black Tiger said. "But we really do need to find the demon army. The Ten will be arriving any day now, and without all of our 'ducks in a row', I should say, we won't stand much of a chance in beating them."
"Alright," Sammael said, dejected. "But after that, how about just a quick game of poker?"
Black Tiger growled at him. "No."
"A game of craps?"
"No."
"The slots?"
"No."
"Wayne Newton?"
"NO!"
Sammael sulked. "Fine, ruin my fun."
****PAUSE RP***
Well, Memorial day is over! Hope everyone had a good one. I'm still stuffed from all of the cookout food I've eaten. Mmm....love cooking on the grill. Nothing like the taste of charred mammal flesh!
***Random Star Wars Rumors!!!***
As the long wait for the next prequel continues, more unsubstantiated rumors have come out about the second movie in the trilogy. Here's the latest skinny on what's going on:
Apparently, "sources" are now saying that the next film will deal with the Clone Wars. This isn't really anything we haven't heard before. The film will also reportedly end with a big space battle that leaves Anakin as the big hero of the Clone Wars. Again, this being Star Wars, a big final space battle is almost a given.
Some new stuff though: Anakin and Amidala should be getting married at the end of this film. Also, we'll see a brand spankin' NEW Sith lord that'll be causing trouble. And finally, in what I hope is fact and not fiction, bounty hunters Boba Fett (YES!) and Aurra Sing (she was in the pod racing scene for all of 2 seconds) will be going around offing Jedis. Sounds cool if you ask me.
****End SW Rumors***
Kit: I hate to be something of a doomsayer, but unfortunately we *don't* know if my dad has cancer or not. He still has another tumor in his back, and they haven't biopsied that yet. They probably will in a week or so. Until then, we don't know anything for sure. Just a few potentially hopeful comments from doctors such as "Well, these tumors usually are benign...." and such. So, I hate to be cynical and pessimistic, but until I get word otherwise, it's hard to get to optimistic. I'm *hoping* things are okay, but I don't know for sure.
Glad to see that you and Doug are backing Lazio. I hope that he wins. Here's a guy who IS a New Yorker. He's lived in New York all his life (I believe), and has spent several years in a political position that he himself has admitted isn't too glamorous or rewarding in the sense that he's given accolades for his work. But he has some good ideas of where to take New York, and I think he'd make a good choice for Senator. He's moderate, so he can be appeal to more than just his party members. I just do NOT want Hilary to win. I think it would be a crime if she did. Here's a woman who's barely stepped foot in New York before her candidacy and suddenly she feels she can represent them better than a native New Yorker. If I was a New York native, I'd be insulted. Lazio has lived and worked there all his life, and what's her response to that? "Well, I've visited every county in the state." Please. Give it to someone with the state's true interests at heart, not someone just trying to further their political career. And the thing is, I think that many New Yorkers *don't* want her as their representative, as can be shown by Lazio's sudden jump in approval ratings.
SOROW: Whoa! 35 girls under one roof! I'm a bit jealous....I mean, *I* deserve 35 girls under my roof....how come I can't pull that off? Oh yeah, I forget, they frown on harems in this country.....Wait, am I rambling again? Time for my medication....
Shadowrider: Wow, off of religion and onto euthanasia. You've gone from one can of worms to the next! Here's the way I feel, and I realize this is probably a very unpopular point of view, but I am unrepentant in this belief and I won't even bother to explain why I believe this way--jail that man. I am totally, one hundred percent ANTI-euthanasia. The practice may be alright for animals, but I've never believed human beings to be animals. I feel it's murder, and those that committ it should be prosecuted. I've heard all of the reasoning behind it: they don't want to die in pain, they want to die with dignity, etc. I don't care. A mercy killing is still, to me, a killing.
Finally, since the recent subject of Dragonball has come up, I thought I'd through this out there--do you know that they've made a Dragonball MOVIE in Asia? A *live-action* movie. Maybe Robby has heard something about this. It's offered in the latest edition of Previews magazine. Here's the info:
DRAGONBALL: THE MAGIC BEGINS (live action video)
"Based on the hit animation series! In order to conquer mankind and rule the universe, King Horn sets out to find all seven of the Dragon Pearls. With two of the seven already in the evil king's possession, it's now up to the remaining five owners of the pearls--Sparkle, Monkey Boy, Westwood, Turtle Man, and Seetoe--to destroy King Horn and his two powerful warriors, Aebrata and Malia, before it's too late!"
I HAVE to check this out. It sounds like it may be a total piece of crap. I mean, Dragon "Pearls"? Monkey Boy and Turtle Man? This should arrive stateside by August, so I'll have to give this one a look. At worst, maybe it'll be good subject material for MST3K treatment.
***RESUME RP***
"We should all break up into groups and search for the demon army," Black Tiger was saying. "We stand a better chance of finding them that way."
"Great, let's go!" Sammael said, and he started to run towards the casinos, but Kari grabbed him by his collar.
"I'll handle the 'Gambler' here," she said. She turned to Dyspare. "You come too, short stuff." The little demon nodded.
"I will go with you as well," the Administrator said. She turned to her Borgs. "The rest of you fan out and search for any demonic entities. I will know immediately once you have found them." The Borg silently departed in several directions.
Black Tiger nodded in satisfaction. "Good. Jim and I will head west. Good luck."
Sammael, Kari, Dyspare, and the Administrator stayed for a moment, uncertain of which direction to take. Finally, the Administrator made the decision for them. "I suggest we go there." She said, pointing to a large structure a few hundred yards ahead.
Sammael's eyes lit up! "Whoo hoo! Caesar's Palace! Let's go!" he ran ahead, eager to enter the building.
Kari sighed and turned to the Administrator. "Would you--"
"Render him unconscious for the duration of the search?"
"Yes, please!"
****PAUSE RP***
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 08:44:30 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net
***Kyryn peers in from editing***
Gargs Biology> Hmmm. Stone sleep might actually be an outgrowth of the hibernation process that some animals go through for winter. Y'know, come to think of it, it could possibly be a response to one of the early ice ages.
Coyote> Hey! Are you gonna join me in rooting for the Stars this year since the Wings are out of it?
Doug and Kitania> Sorry to hear that you're not going to make A-kon this year. Ah well, there's always next year!
Robby> I hope that you'll be able to make it up to the con. If so, then I'll see you there.
Later All!
***Kyryn takes off to finish more editing****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 08:34:55 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129
As far as evolution goes... it'd probably be more likely than not that stone sleep as a biological process arose in the ancestral lineage long before "modern" gargoyles appeared, just as bipedal walking did for the hominid ancestors of modern humans. If the origins of stone sleep are purely natural, they could go back to hundreds of thousands or perhaps even millions of years ago, to the first small rodent-like predecessors of the line that paralleled mammals and eventually gave rise to gargoyles.
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 08:21:12 PM
IP: ac83f1cd.ipt.aol.com
I also suspect that gargoyles pre-dated humans, precisely because of their stone sleep. Stone sleep is only a vulnerability to them after humans come along and develop tools and weapons strong enough to shatter a stone gargoyle. And it makes much greater sense to develop it as a biological trait BEFORE humans come along than afterwards.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 07:45:14 PM
IP: 216.87.46.110.dialup-stl.primary.net
DHP> [But if Gargoyles came first, how could they surive against natural predators during the daytime?]
That one's easy. Other than humans, and maybe the Fey, There wouldn't have been many predators that would even bother to molest a sleeping Gargoyle, particularly if Gargoyles tended to nest in high places like cliffs. Most animals hunt for food, and a statue doesn't taste very good.
Viewed from that perspective, the instinctive roar upon awakening makes lots of sense. First, it expands the lungs, which will help crack off the shell of stone across the torso, and second, it frightens off any nearby animals at the point when the Gargoyle is most vulnerable.
Later on, of course, the adaptation becomes less useful. Humans are smart (and spiteful) enough to smash sleeping gargoyles even though the stone pieces aren't good for much, and also smart enough to track them by watching where they fly, staking out the general area, and following the howls - only to leave again, and come back at daylight.
Aren't I in a cheery mood this evening? :>
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 06:15:55 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3
Whoa, this day has gone as well, what in certain moments I doubted...
Interesting debate about Gargoyles genetics. I'd like to contribute, but I have no head now...tomorrow maybe.
*Assisted suicide *:> Thanks to everyone sent their opinions. I personally think that everyone has the right to choose his death if he wants to...but I, would eventually commit suicide? I love life, but if I am sure I'm going to die in a painful way, with no hope to survive? Would I have the courage to keep on living? And if anyone asks me to help him in committing suicide, what would I answer? I really don't know...
*end assisted suicide stuff*
Something lighter and more pleasant...
Niamhgold:> Well, I still have my Latin dictionary out, so...
Is that phrase a title? Or it is not? It is important...
"Clone": you could consider it as "Copy", and so "Exemplar" is good...even "Mimus" or "Duplex" could fit, although a bit unproper...but, "Clone" derives from Greek "Klon", meaning "Sprout"...in Latin, "Germen". Now, "Germen" is the root for a series of cloning-related words (germinal, for example) so I think it could fit as well.
"A Clone's struggle"
If it is a title: "De Germinis Certamine"
If not: "Germinis Certamen"
Alternates:
"De Exemplaris Certamine"
or (already said, I think) "Exemplaris Certamen"
Nothing more. Later maybe, tomorrow more probably.
Ciao!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 05:59:38 PM
IP: h213-18-63.mi2.albacom.net
Hmm.
Congrats, Christine.
Do Gargoyles have an instinct for protection?
I would say difficult to prove at best. Remember, Gargoyles have been feared by humans and they could understand what is like to be powerless. Or they could have been raised that way so humans would not fear them so much.
The name thing: I suspect that gargoyles have been around alonger than humans. Which leads to a question? Which species learned to read and write first? Human or Gargoyle?
If humans learned to read/write first, Gargoyles wouldn't have to have names to record people and it just passed down that way from generation to generation. By the time Gargoyles would have learned to write, the tradition would have stuck on.
If Gargoyles learned to read/write first, they would have wanted to use names to record who did what.
Another question: If humans were around before Gargoyles, Gargoyles might have taken the practice of naming themselves sooner. But if Gargoyles came first, how could they surive against natural predators during the daytime?
Did Brooklyn die before Goliath? I am wondering if Brooklyn have got the chance to lead the clan AGAIN.
**Suicide/Assisted Suicide DEBATE**
The wishes of a SANE person should be obeyed. I do not ever want to be point of life support in order to live unless the odds of me recovering fully are 75% or better. There is no need in prolonging an un physically healthy life. Suicide, funny thing is I have thought about it after my mom died. But I realized I couldn't do it because of what I would say to my maker. Anybody who is experiencing depression should NOT be allowed to kill themselves; instead, the person SHOULD seek treatment. (Notice: I said 'should' not 'be required to') The only time I could be in favor of suicide/assisted suicide is when a person is in extreme pain and there is no hope of the pain going away.
**END SUICIDE/ASSISTED SUICIDE DEBATE**
**RP RELATED**
How do the other RPers keep their post and their RP roughly equal? Just curious.
**END RP RELATED**
**BFTS RP continues**
Plastique Saber and DPH step out of the car and see a brick wall.
DPH presses a button to talk:
A voice says "Make it quick!"
"My friend and I would like to speak to Self-ReBoot." says Plastique Saber.
"Hmm. Are either of you lawyers?" said the voice.
"No. Neither are we bounty hunters, IRS agents, Census Bureau employees, or from the Post Office." said DPH.
"Ok. You can come in," said the voice.
The gate opened. Plastique and DPH stepped inside. A door in the mansion opened.
A woman appeared and said "I am Self-ReBoot. Why do you want to talk to me?"
Plastique Saber answered, "It's about No Connection Allowed, or NCA."
"Ohh," replied Self-ReBoot, "He is no direct threat to me. All I day is . . "
"Yea, we know you make computers self reboot for no apparant reason. What can you tell us about him?" said DPH.
"He is very old. older than Mr. Connect. . ." said Self ReBoot.
"Connect is dead. He was killed by NCA. Who or what kept him in check before Connect did?" said DPH.
"Connect dead? Oh well. Back then, there was no need to keep him in check. That was during the days before the printing press was invented. NCA didn't have much strength before the printing press was invented. With the advent of technology, he grew stronger. If you could go to a universe without technology, he'd be pretty powerless." said Self-ReBoot.
Plastique looked at DPH and said, "NCA has shut down communications technology worldwide except". DPH gave her a look. "in outer space," finished Plastique.
"Hmm. I'll bet DC and Netlag aren't 2 happy about that. I'll have to help them because I owe them. Thanks for the info. That's all I know." said Self-ReBoot.
"Thank you for your time," said DPH and Plastique Saber at the same time.
They left the house and got in DPH's car. DPH let Plastique Saber drive back to DPH's house. They estimated it would be 2 days before they would get back. DPH checked his cellpone and noticed it was still working. Plastique Saber started driving back.
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 05:24:48 PM
IP: max1-49.cwy.cei.net
Gside> Let's put it this way... they take about twenty people total and my brother is the youngest one there. Everyone who knows him thinks he's a jazz god.
Fire Storm> You're very bad! ;)
SOROW
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 04:54:34 PM
IP: dll2a010-0036.splitrock.net
Well, hope everyone had a happy memorial day weekend.
Split mine between a Magic tournament, the less said of which the better, a SAAS meeting, and watching the Knicks win again. (Go NY!)
We watched End of Evangelion first thing, and that may have been a mistake, because it's really f**king depressing. I don't wanna spoiler it if you haven't seen it, but I spent ten minutes afterward going "I DON'T LIKE THIS ENDING!" And then we spent the rest of the meeting pointing out Evangelion overtones in everything else we watched. We even found some in Sailor Moon, for Goddesses' sake.
Then I spent last night trying to get through the Slayers tapes Robby gave me. Didn't get very far, but now I can't shake the image of Fox and Hyena as Lina and Naga. Which would make Xanatos Gourry (I guess there's a *lot* more hair in that ponytail then we thought) and that leaves Owen to be Zelgadis.
My Evangelion S^2 Works came today. (Brief happy dance before adding it to the growing pile of music I need to listen to)
Anyway, off to A-kon this thursday, so I'll be out of here between then and monday. I'll try to look for everybody who's going. (At least Skippy won't be hard to spot) Which reminds me...
Robby> I found us floorspace to crash on for thursday night.
GB> Good luck with the army, and the new MiST series.
Christine> Not even Hell itself can hold Demmie for long, eh? I love it. But I have to ask... did she read a lot of bad fanfic while she was down there? ;)
Jenna> Congrats on the new job, and try to lead by example, with quiet strength, like Goliath. And if that doesn't work, default to Demona mode: Management by swinging the mace. ;)
DPH> We already do have year round basketball. It's called the WNBA. Sigh. I'd get summer withdrawl otherwise.
Gasper> I assume you mean 22 and 44 *caliber* not mm. A 22mm gun would probably knock even Goliath on his butt, and a 44mm? Forget it. Minaturized recoiless rifle tech would have to come a lot further first.
Mec> Elisa's gun seems to change as the series goes on, but my guess is it's a 9mm Browning Hi-Power. But that's just my guess.
Mara> I know what I said, but maybe this'll get you back in the swing of things. At least, I hope it does, otherwise I'm going to feel really guilty.
******After a long break... Chibi-Drama********************
"What is it Wes?"
"My notes were supposed to have a bio on this Xellos guy, but it's like all the ink just melted off. Now all it says is 'That... (Flips page) is a secret'."
In the ring, Xellos-kun grins.
*******End Chibi-drama********************
Later.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 04:48:14 PM
IP: ppp-340.tnt-2.sat.smartworld.net
*Janine enters*
Wow I never thought of cloning:) I foud a way to keep my mind off him, thanks to Anne Rice and the Vampire Lestat:) <<big cheezy grin>>
How do you say 'clone' in Latin I couldn't find it any where. the closest I found was "certamin duplex/exemplar"
Rodlox> "Skipping a generation" in Klingon is "juS wa' ben/nem"
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 04:00:19 PM
IP: phx-203.treknet.net
Daniel Johnson> <<it's the sort of thing that Duke Nukem might say if he were a Roman>>: Ok, is it "Come get some"?
Niamhgold> <<Anyone have any suggestions on translating the phrase "A Clone's Struggle" in Latin>>: I'd go with "certamen mimi." But then I haven't be doing very well with the translations.
Tonight I return to Rutgers for evening classes. Computer architecture. At least I should learn assembly.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 03:38:09 PM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
** Niamhgold enters **
Hiya, gang! Not much to say today...
Gargoyle genetics: Well, after what people have been saying, I figured I'd throw my two cents into the pot :) Angela is most likely Demona and Goliath's daughter; there's the coloring and wing similarities, as well as Sevarius's genetic testing. I've always wondered about her brow ridge, myself--maybe underdevelopment? It could also have been a trait that was dominated in both her parents; for instance, my mom has brown eyes and my dad has blue eyes. But I have green eyes, like my grandmother.
I've always wondered about Gabriel being Othello and Desdemona's son. I know in TGS it works out that way, and maybe in Greg's universe; but there were so many differences that I began to wonder. I mean, Gabriel's horns are shaped differently than both Othello and Desdemona's horns. Desdemona's horns are ram-like, curled over, down, and up. Othello's are up and bent in. Gabriel's, however, just go back, almost straight. His wing struts are different, also; he has neither Othello's "traditional" wing style nor Desdemona's butterfly-like wings. He has horizontal spires on his brow ridges, while neither Othello or Desdemona have any extra brow decoration. And he has two small hooks on the line of his chin, as well as only a double-fan ear, instead of Othello's three-fanned ear.
Of course, all of this could be due to genetic variation; ancestored traits that didn't appear in the parents, but in an earlier generation. After all, we don't know exactly how many chromosomes (I guessing a lot) a gargoyle has, and what genes code for what. All of their traits, after all, could be independent of each other. And it's not to say that Gabriel doesn't bear a resemblance--his skin color is like Othello's, his voice is like Othello's, his hair texture is like Othello's and its blond color is of Desdemona. And *I*, personally, will always consider him to be their son--how better to link the characters of the show together than to have Coldstone's son be best friends with Goliath's daughter? In the Gargoyles universe, everyone has a set purpose, and is related to other characters in some fashion (and gets me thinking about Opheila's lineage) :)
Phew! That took a lot outta me! Looks like I had more to say than I thought :) Please don't throw fruit! ;)
Anyone have any suggestions on translating the phrase "A Clone's Struggle" in Latin?
Also, anyone know what format to save the G2K miniposters in? I'll save it in ZIP, but under what format?
Hmmm, methinks that be all!
Adios!
Niamhgold - [niamhgold@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 02:15:57 PM
IP: lac-flex139.ncia.net
Thanks for all the comments on Elisa's gun. I think elisa did have a revolver at one point but lost it. Later she used what is probably the 9mm, as many suggest. I'm going to use this information in a fanfic.
Robby>> $just goint to skip five and six and head straight to four? *chuckles* now this should be interesting.$
Matthew>> I thought Lexington was the godfather. Because I remember Brooklyn saying that a certain someone is to make a decision that enables him to live till the distant future where he will save the eggs. All this happened around the time Lex became a cyborg giving me the impression he was the one. Recently it was mentioned that Lex is still alive and the head of security for X.E. in Sata's curent time. Although there are others that have survived to that time, Broadway and Angela for instance. I suppose that it is possible for one or more of the mutates to have survived as well.
Shadowrider>> That's a tough one, I don't know how much you might know, but assisted suicide has been an ongoing and largly undecided controversy in the US. My personal oppinion is that no one should feel the need to end life prematurely, and believe me I am no stranger to the depths of depression from which such a consideration arises. However, it is my experiance that if a person wants to die, they can usually find a way to do it. This doesn't mean we should let them die. Even if death is certain, the last years, months, days, hours, or even minutes can be happy and should be savored. I have known many people on the brink of death and they all seemed better somehow for toughing it out to the end. I can't judge wether or not this man and his friend were wrong, but were I asked by a friend to end his life, I would decline and encourage life instead. We're all going to die, but there is no sense in rushing to get there. Anyway, I hope that helps some.
*****RP*****
Mecord wisks away the cloak he had been wearing since his return from Hell, revealing a tall red headed human.
"As you can see Thailog, I have no need for you to revive any memory or personality of mine. This is my true self, human and a wizard more powerfull than Mecord. I only arise to the surface when summoned or needed. So I cannot take your offer. But I show you this because I respect you. I will not directly oppose you at present. But know this, the guild will be watching."
Thailog growled, "Is that a threat?"
"The truth, the very nature of our organizations pit them against one another."
"I see, a rival."
"Of sorts. This I do know, it is likely we will meet again."
On the Avatar.
Lithanne and Thicarrn plant explosives near the station's thrusters. Thicarrn looks out a porthole to see a ship passing by. The ship bears a number "4" on the side in a language few know.
"Um, Sis..."
*****END RP*****
Mecord
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:50:53 PM
IP: usr61.mtwest.net
Ten minutes to write something - I hate to work in haste...
Archwolf:> Thank you! Well, I already have a proofer for this story (the uncomparable Niamhgold), but I'll keep you present for the next, be sure of it.
Daniel Johnson:> Hey, if three months ago they had said to me I was going to resume my Latin stuff (it was a three years I didn't use it)...
Habe Quiddam: well, I have no need to work on it: I have found this phrase on a book.
Quoting from Cicero, with translation to Italian by Luigi Castiglioni (maybe the best Latinist in this century....) and translation to English by myself:
...et habe quiddam...= ...e prendi qualunque cosa...= ...and take anything...
(Note: "habe" is imperative and so the translations have to be intended that way...)
Wilek:> << I'm in my gargoyle form, and don't have a shirt to worry about ruining...>> An advantage I didn't consider...
Fire Storm:> Tell to me...I once had to scrap a Taekwon-do dobok (the white suit we wear as we practice) for this reason...
Late! Late!! LATE!!! Later maybe, see you all!
<Runs out>
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:38:02 PM
IP: h213-18-95.mi2.albacom.net
Brooklyn: <All have is drawings that I need to scan to a disk. Now I don't know if that means they're rendered or if you have to model them.Keep me posted.>
Ok... if you just want the images on your computer, thats scanning. For example, if you want to post it on the web and say "Hey, look what I drew", that would be scanning.
If you want them for use in a 3d program like poser or MAX, thats modeling. For example, lets say you want to beable to turn the model around on your computer so you can see everything on it, pose it, add lights, etc, the making of the model is modeling, the setup is well... setup, and the actual creation of a final image is rendering.
Scanning is easy. That takes 5-10 minutes.
Modeling is a little more difficult... ok, alot more difficult. Quite frankly, sometimes it can be a pain in the A$$. It can take 5-10 DAYS to make a good model. (Although, a simple one can be made in a few minutes.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:37:31 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com
Just putting up a quick post. ^_^
Really, this will be quick!
For anyone that cares I'll be posting RP and replies tonight. ;)
You guys and gals are the best!
C u l8r
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:36:02 PM
IP: 206.15.122.13
Brooklyn: <If any of you have ADOBE Photoshop or any 3-D paint program
would you mind rendering a few pics for me.
<Fire Storm><<If any of you can help THANKS!!!!!!>
Are they all setup to render, or do I have to model them also?>>
All have is drawings that I need to scan to a disk.
Now I don't know if that means they're rendered or if you have to model them.Keep me posted.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:27:36 PM
IP: usr96.cqc.com
<Brooklyn: Is your Dublin clan set in present day? Why don't you post your stories to the fan archive untill your page is up? I would like to read whatever you have so far.>
Thanks!
The clan is around in present day.
During the recent conflicts between the IRA and the U.K
Dublin is of coarse a target. The clan live an old cathedral
Their are 30 members of the clan. Not including the rookery
the rookery will have about 15-20 eggs about ready to hatch
My Future Tense fic is loosely based on the episode
I'm changing the villain,the Ultra Pack will finally have
some sort of character design,Brooklyn and Demona lay an
egg.Broadway and Angela do the same. Eventually Lex figures
out how to reanimate the clones,and he and Delilah have a son. The other clones at this point are reprogammed to truly
think for themselves.They join Brooklyn's rebels to join the fight against.... Well you'll just have to read.
I know Angela is on the world tour during this time but
for story purposes she is in the manhattan clan.
I'm thinking the Irish clan should have to deal with a quarrymen group in Ireland, but this isn't certain.
Xanatos is not the enemy in the other fic given his reform
at the end of the 2nd season. Alex is raised and trained in his mystical heritage, and after his father's death he joins in the resistance to avenge him.
By the way the only other character I couldn't design was
Coyote 6.0 so if any of you are good at drawing robotics
please send me what you've got.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:10:45 PM
IP: usr96.cqc.com
Janine: <The link was most helpful Thank you.>
Thats what the pages were made for! Soon there will be a permant link on this page to those pages!
Coyote: <ya wanna make it that weekend when we do the get-together?>
Sounds good to me!
Winterwolf: <so maybe you should just kill them all.>
Ya know... I put "I am taking you all with me!" for my senior will and they CHANGED IT to "I am taking IT all with me."
And I wrote it as nice and neat as I possibly could!
Sorow: <Hi all. I had a huge slumber party at my house last night with 35 girls>
OUT you dirty mind, OUT! :)
Wilek: <For which I did not have the password>
Password = Crackable!
<Would there happen to be a bloodstained black altar in the basement?>
Nope. It was in shop class.
Daniel Johnson: <Any one know what a google plex is?>
A movie theater with alot of screens.
Mec: <What caliber and/or make would Elisa's sidearm be? Any one know what police ussually cary? Any guesses?>
I don't think it was a revolver. It looked like a clip based gun. So I would guess some type of 9mm pistol. Brand... sure as hell isn't glock!
Green Baron: <but we follow Napoleonic Code, not Common Law>
What is the difference?
And what if a couple are living together for 6 years, break up for a month or so, then get back together?
<while she entertained the enemy.>
When and where?
Shadowrider: <have you idea of how hard is washing blood away from clothes? ;)?>
All too well. If it is still wet, I find liquid soap works pretty well. After it has dried, though...
I have SO many shirts with blood stains on them. And most of them are white :(
Brooklyn: <If any of you have ADOBE Photoshop or any 3-D paint program
would you mind rendering a few pics for me.
If any of you can help THANKS!!!!!!>
Are they all setup to render, or do I have to model them also?
CR Update: Lady Mystic has prepared another 104 images for the CR, and we STILL haven't been through all the TGS directories yet!
HOPEFULLY the page that shows all of the pictures will be up within the next few days.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:05:43 PM
IP: dynamiccomp.com
Janine
<<Hey Klingon> Whats wrong with we 'uptight trekers'? Hummm?>>
***WARNING! FANDOM RANT AHEAD!***
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Trek fan(hell, I still watch Voyager!:) ButI've always been of an opinion to define the fandom between two camps: Trekkies and Trekkers.
Trekkies are simply fans of the show. They enjoy Star Trek, may join a fan club, and occasionaly go out to conventions. A few are willing to express their love of the show in extreme measures (if you saw the movie "Trekkies" most of those people in it fall under this category)
The big difference between Trekkies and Trekkers is their approach to fandom. Trekkies may join a local Star Trek fan club, but Trekkers will want to make a national organization out of it! They are the ones obsessed with fandom. One of the best examples of this comes from my own club. I invited this guy who runs the First Church of Shatnerology web site to speak to the club. One of the club members pretty much cornered him and started rambling on about the history of Starfleet. While this person has a tendency to ramble anyway, John had absolutely zero interest in Starfleet, and his interst in it definetley fell into the negative numbers after his chat with her.
This person is the epitomy of what I define as a trekker. While I lover her to death, I do think her attitude towards fandom is a bit obsessive.
Trekker are also the ones that make a big deal out of "The Roddenberry Vision"(tm) the idea of this perfect future without hatred, prejudice, war, pollution, and awful domestic wines. In general, they try to turn fandom into something more like the Lion's Club than a bunch of geeks sitting around a table talking about sci-fi. While I am a fairly liberal individual, and I have no problem with the public service, I don't see how a fan club is really making that big an impact on the scheme of things...
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:54:11 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-05.ultravision.net
<Cyborg>
When I have the first five episodes written out,script wise
I'll let you know first.
<Rodlox>
Thats Ok. It is rather hard figuring out stuff like a
timeline or who says what'. So when they're figured out
I'll post them.
<Winterwolf>
What you said sounds great,I'll email you later today.
Keep me posted on whats going on.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:47:24 AM
IP: usr6.cqc.com
*Cyborg de- lurks* I managed to get my de- lurk device back, it's funny how scared the Fritz gets when one of Wilek's torture devices is on him.
-Creativity Demon- If gargoyle children can be raised by humans (ie. Avalon Clan), what about human children being raised by gargoyles- with gargoyle traditions.
Brooklyn dances into, say 1001 AD, and finds himself in a forest in Scotland outside of Ross. He comes across two (or more) severly injured humans, who talk and act like gargoyles. He patches them up and learns their story: They were found as infants by a small clan of gargoyles, taken into their rookery and raised in the traditions of the clan. That day, as they slept, they were ambushed by a group of brigands led by a young man with three scars on his face. Overwhelmed, they were forced to watch as their clanmates were smashed (and perhaps each of the awake clan members were horribly punished is some other way, too, for 'cohorting with the demons'). Each of them are superior warriors (as they were trained as gargoyles are trained), with excelent night vision (as they have been nocturnal their entire lives) and they are more comfortable around gargoyles than around humans. One of them may even come to hate humans for the destruction of his clan and the 'punishments' delt to him and his rookery siblings. The question is, how would they react to the rise of Macbeth to king and his 'cheif advisor', and how would Demona and her new clan react to these human gargoyles?
-End Creativity Demon-
Brooklyn: Is your Dublin clan set in present day? Why don't you post your stories to the fan archive untill your page is up? I would like to read whatever you have so far.
Insticts: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (orderd far more nicely than K.B. Madsen)
level 1- physiological needs (food, water, sex, sleep, oxygen, avoidence of pain)
level 2- safety needs (protection)
level 3- love and belonging needs (affiliation whith others and acceptance)
level 4- esteem needs (achievement, competency, gaining approval and recognition)
level 5- self actualization (fulfillment of one's unique potential)
I certanly hope you don't think there is something wrong with psych class, Daniel ;)
Christine: Congratulations!
Wilek and Warpmind (re maze): I like it, but you are forgeting the goons who hunt to kill the prisoners.
Gside: I like moleskin too. *rubs stump*
Cyborg
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:17:59 AM
IP: modemcable165.125-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net
Wilek: <<the sister has her father's skin color and her mother's hair color and horns (and, for some reason, her paternal grandfather's beak)... >> that’s generally called “skipping a generation” {no relation to the Klingon - for that matter, how do you say it in Klingon?} :) in olden times, a man would look at the child and - if he were payne-minded {hey look: we turned him into a verb!}, he might say “hm, i don’t have freckles, my wife doesn’t have freckles -- she cheated on me!!”......nevermind the fact that the baby’s great-grandparents might also be buried in freckles.
idea....
<Alex’s girlfriend in future>: “sweetie, why is hte back of your ears blue?”
Wilek: <<a "free-standing muttonchop"??>> I thought it was part of his hair, like the 'dog-ear' hairstyle of Puck,>> {so much for me having typed everything} :) true...it could’ve been the “hair-loooped-areound-the-ear(s)” the “long muttonchop” thingie...or anything.
thing is, in humans, the jaw is short enough that you don’t need too many names for single patches of hair -- goatee, beard, muttonchops, sideburns, ‘whiskers’, moustache -- whereas on long-muzzled gargs {not neccessarily beaked ones}, it gets considerably tougher, eh?
what’s your secret, Christine? {and anyone else who’s invented large #s of gargs}.
Brooklyn: <<They are yet to be put up.>> oh...sorry then.
<<Winterwolf and I are contructing a page now.>> good luck on that.
<<I have the basic storylines figured for both fics figured, when I have them in episode format I'll put them up.>> i can sympathize with that -- that’s my main stumbling block too: going from storyline to story.
<looks over at muse> “i said _get back to WORK_!!”
Warpmind: <<it is instinct that acts when you block.>> or some people, who just duck.
<<Sure, humans can override their instincts more easily than other species,>> ie, witness the reaction to people who’ve been bitten by snakes.
it’s not -
“oh my, i’ve been bitten by a hematoxin-carrying serpent native to brushy regions.” no, it’s more of a - “OHGODOHGOD OH GOD...I’M GONNA DIE....MOTHER-F**** BAS**** OF A SNAKE!!!”
<<*High-fives Rodlox.*>> ::tries to recieve hi-5, misses, falls face-first in mud; mutters something about the Perils Of Winning::
oh great, now i have ANOTHER fic idea/title clamoring for attention!!
DJ: <<These are motives that are necessary for survival or comfort,>> there was a person {not me} who said that humans and gargs have the same priorities, but not in the same order......unfortunately, i read him or her back before the Author Index was redone....ie, back when there was _all our authors_ and a separate page for _people who’ve only sent in one fic_ {not the actual titles, mind you - just the basic idea}.
has anybody seen it??
<<although sex and nurturing involve the survival of the species rather than the individual.>> the Bonobos would argue that point with you...if they could speak your language. {bonobos used to be called ‘pygmy chimps’ despite the fact that they’re the same size}.
**RP WARNING**
Location: random diner, Hell Creek, Montana {yes, there is such a place}.
Four people are sitting around the table: two men who look oddly similar depite their widely disparate ages, a woman who looks rather Greco-Mayan, and someone who looks different to them all: their boss.
“So, I take it you didn’t ask us out here for coffee,” the first man says, “or our health,” he mutters.
“On the contrary, Ezekiel,” their boss says, shaping a pile of salt into humanoid figures.
“He’s worried about our health?” exclaims the woman, sarcastic. “That’s it - the apocolypse’s here!”
“If the two of you don’t mind, I’ll continue here.” Silence for a few seconds. “That’s better. Rather than hear you whine about not being warned, I thought to let you know of Earth’s impending invasion by beings of various forms.”
“Extra work?” asks the other man.
“Only if you choose to. These creatures can’t hurt you - but only one or two of them are aware of that fact - and none know the _why_ of it.”
The woman nods. “We’ll consider it.”
The Devil nods. “That’s my good little Hellcops....oh, and some people seem to be under the mistaken impression that the Hell they’re currently experiencing - and I don’t mean the expression - comes from my Domain.”
Out of the corner of his eye, Zeke saw a man get up and put a quarter in the jukebox.
“What they don’t understand is that My place - where all three of you spent time - is worse in many ways.”
“So even if we get a hell on Earth, it won’t be home sweet home?” Zeke Stone asked innocently.
“Not at all. And remember,” finishing his artwork, “keep up the good work. You’re only down to - what? - 57, 32, and 43 souls respectively?”
The jukebox began to play ‘The devil went down to georgia’ {the fiddle song}.
The sand people crumbled, and the Devil was gone.
**END RP**
Rodlox - [Rodlox]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 07:45:25 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Gargoyle genetics > Brooklyn writes: "Sometimes though it may very well be " at random" because if Broadway is Hudson's son then the only similarities you can see are the bulk and wing type. Where would he get the genetic material for those fan like ears. or the complete lack of hair."
Um, how about from his mother? I mean... Look at Angela, look at Demona, and then tell me where Angela got her wing-type and brow ridge from. She has traits similar to Goliath, and traits similar to Demona. Now just because we've never seen Broadway's biological mother (well, we have in TGS) doesn't mean the traits that don't mesh with Hudson's just came from thin air.
Instincts > Human beings have instincts, same as any other animal. If we didn't, we'd never have evolved as far as we did... our bipedal ape anscestors would all have been eaten by sabre-tooth cats because they were too dumb to run away. :P
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 06:53:03 AM
IP: 98aac55b.ipt.aol.com
Sorry, one more thing.
Gside:
Flag? Key? Boss? You're trying too hard. Here's a hint: it's the sort of thing that Duke Nukem might say if he were a Roman. And see my last post re: instincts.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 05:21:13 AM
IP: ppp-03.rb5.exit109.com
Warpmind:
Feel free to disagree, but I think that the problem here is one of definitions. We're getting into a discussion on motivational theory here. Here is a list of the basic human biological motives, courtesy of K. B. Madsen:
1. Hunger
2. Thirst
3. Sex
4. Nurturance (parenting)
5. Temperature (regulating body temp.)
6. Pain-avoidance
7. Excretory
8. Oxygen
9. Rest and sleep
10. Activity (optimal levels of stimulation and arousal)
11. Security (Fear-avoidance)
12. Aggression
These are motives that are necessary for survival or comfort, although sex and nurturing involve the survival of the species rather than the individual. Now, the question is: what causes these motivations? This is the sort of thing that psychologists argue about. Instinct theories flourished during the 19th century, but few psychologists accept them today. You're confusing instinct with motivation.
I could go on about this, but then this will turn into a psych class. :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 05:06:07 AM
IP: ppp-03.rb5.exit109.com
Ah, Nobuo Uemetsu (Spelling.) He is a very good composer, Final Fantasy 4, 6 and 8 was some of his best work. Personally, I prefer some of his stuff, but I like Yashinori Mitsuda, of Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross fame. I'm also partial though to Genesis, both Peter Gabrial and Phil Collins era, though Phil is my favorite, with the Invisible Touch album. (Domino, Brazilian, Throwing it all Away.)
To compare it to Bach though, that's something....All artists, in one way or another, can really never be compared, save this bubble gum pop crap the record companies seem to be feeding us a TON of lately. While I'll tolerate it on the radio, I have to seek refuge in the music of Genesis, B. Joel, and Sting. Game music is always a good alternative though, same with a lot of the DBZ music (Hikari NO willpower), GW (Just communications, Rhythm Emotion and Legend of Zero) also calm me down.
But that's my two cents.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 04:34:37 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4
Robby. Right on the nose. I love DBZ, especially World's STrongest. From what I've read though is that Gohan uses it more as a answer to his Dad's Kamehameha attack. In my IRC battles with a being known as Nanaki (Author of Origins/Aftermath of Mount Woe), I've had to come up with something similar that would counter his Wind Ki attack, the Kazehameha. Basically, my Character was lost in time for a few years, and with fierce discipline, learned it with the help of Kami. But mostly, yes, it's just a counter attack, but a damn good one at that. Gamit Gun, which is Vegeta's Galaxy Gun/Renzokou Energy Dan attack is the same, but again altered to my specifics. I don't claim to have created them, I just use them. But yes, DBZ is very influential in my fighting style, along with Dragoon, and Claw wielding, though I don't use the claw unless I'm really in for the wetwork.
Can't wait to see it, hope to be a part of it. Heh.
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 04:29:05 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4
*Warpmind enters.*
I just went through my entire xoommail folder, due to a necessary cleanup caused by a server change... are you guys aware that the current RP, with the Hellish invasion et cetera has been going steady since December? My, time has flown... :|
Daniel Johnson: Dude, I disagree with you on the deal with instincts. Any creature has instincts; even humans. For instance, if someone throws a punch at you, it is instinct that acts when you block. Sure, humans can override their instincts more easily than other species, but they are still instincts. *High-fives Rodlox.*
Christine: YAY! Put me up for an advance copy RIGHT NOW!!! :)
Wilek: Better idea than multiple locks with identical keys: a bunch of similar locks and vastly different-looking keys, with slightly different key patterns, so while all the keys fit in all the locks... only one key can open each lock... ]:) And, when the wrong lock is used, a *very* nasty surprise appears. Maybe a nest of diamondbacks could be convenient? ]:)
Well, that's it for now. Cheerio.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 04:01:00 AM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no
I like moleskin. Though I do wich I had more opportunities to wear my black shoes, then they might be broden in for parades. This parade had a slightly more interesting playlist: Hey Look Me Over, Strike up the Band, 76 Trombones, Everything's Coming up Roses, and Sesame Street. And aparently if you are both a clown and a chiropractor, you will be short.
Wilek> <<Why should Gside have all the fun? ;) Click my name for a few nice MP3s>>: Why? Because then everyone will be dependant on me and only me for new and interesting music. But still, trying to hone in on my territory, eh? I may just have to defend myself, heh heh...
<<What's to evaluate? He's FUBAR>>: Sounds reather thorough and mostly complete.
<<although I prefer tildes>>: Ever been to rpgamer.com ? They give away tildes for guessing the rpg quote in the title bar.
Daniel Johnson> <<As for the first one; sorry Gside, you're wrong. Try again>>: Right. Fatum(-i):n: divine utterance, fate, destiny, doom, mishap, ruin. Iustum (-a, -us):adj: just, fair, justified, formal, in due order, according to protocal, regular, n: justice, due measure. Stultus (-a, -um):adj: foolish, silly, stupid. Stulultorum is the plural genative (neutral gender to agree), so its noun should qualify another noun (using of). However, it must agree with the noun it describes in case too (and number), but there is no noun in the genative. How about, "A justified death of the foolish" (addendum: oh well, there shall be other times)
<<Ocean Grove/Neptune always has a good Memorial Day parade>>: But will they have the Funny Factory? Actually, I'm not sure, the roster changes constantly.
<<Any one know what a google plex is>>: 10^10^100
Winterwolf> <<(10100). I'm half asleep so I'm probably missing something important>>: The carat.
Daniel Johnson> <<Habe Quiddam>>: Capture the Flag? Find the Key? Get the Boss? (have (imperative) the certain thing/person).
<<Humans do NOT have instincts>>: How about when you drop a baby? They always bring their arms and legs togeter as if to grab a branch/arm/etc. And of course, there is significant proof that the acquisition of language is innate behavior (but that isn't quite the same thing).
tR Mrs. Morgan> <<She's sending me a contract tomorrow, and wants to have a finished product in time for RadCon in February>>: Many congratulations on (as it appears) another published work.
SOROW> <<He's stationed in Atlanta in the Army Band>>: Isn't it impossibly hard to get into the Army Band? If so, he has earned my respect.
Wilek> <<perhaps have multiple locks and make the keys all look alike?>>: And have them break if they use the wrong one.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 03:15:47 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
Guys,
One last thing for today.
If any of you have ADOBE Photoshop or any 3-D paint program
would you mind rendering a few pics for me.
If any of you can help THANKS!!!!!!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 03:11:23 AM
IP: usr138.cqc.com
Rodlox,
They are yet to be put up.
Winterwolf and I are contructing a page now.
I have the basic storylines figured for both fics figured,
when I have them in episode format I'll put them up.
If you're interested I have two fics one loosely based
on Future Tense and the other dealing w/ a medium sized
clan in Dublin.
Well c-ya in the CR!!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 02:55:56 AM
IP: usr138.cqc.com
RodloX> <<i just use the “Bribery” roiute.....find somebodyu with the motive already there - and tip him over teh edge [psycologically] to kill your ancestor....that way, even if you do cease to exist, he still would have done it>> But then, who would have been there to drive the assassin over the edge? ;) <<cephalopods? arthropods? Other? please describe them! {at the least, offlist}.>> Cephalopods, an alien race called the Psyll. Purple, six tentacles (two of which split into three sub-tentacles for fine manipulation), tetrahedral (I think) sloping heads like the Shadows from Babylon 5, powerful psionic abilities. They have very advanced organic starships and the like, although mine naturally don't travel much...<<and at the corners of it's long beak, along the jawline, there was almost like a vertical moustache....what is that thing called? a "free-standing muttonchop"??>> I thought it was part of his hair, like the 'dog-ear' hairstyle of Puck, the Magus, Jackal, the Weird Sisters, Hyena, Future Tense Claw and Alexander, etc.? Maybe I'd better look again...
Janine> <<I met a really cute guy a few Saturday nights ago and now I can't get him out of my mind. I saw him again this past Saturday and he had gotten back together with his girlfriend. Should I forget about him for now and just remain friends(if so how do I get him out of my mind?) or do I try to get him to break up with his girl and then go after him(which would be really cruel)?>> If she doesn't deserve him and he is worthy of you, he'll probably dump her himself. Otherwise...Does he have a twin brother? <gestures subtly at the cloning tank in the very large walk-in closet>
DJ> <<As for getting him out of your head, I'm afraid that there's nothing we can do. Well, maybe electroshock therapy. Wilek might have something that would help with that. :) He has quite a collection of interesting devices.>> Why yes. How 'bout this? <brings out what looks like a cross between a baseball bat and a cheese grater hooked up to a small fusion reactor> It'll get him out of your head, but it might also get everything else out of your head. I used it on Mr. Disconnect once. Still picking pieces of him out of my hair. ;P <<Blink. Have a wee bit of repressed anger, do we? :)>> Occasionally, after I've been having particularly bad luck with technology, but after stuff like this <sodomizes Mr. Disconnect with a chainsaw>, I'm not repressed anymore. 8) <<Habe Quiddam>> Hm...I think Quiddam means 'nameless' or 'anonymous'...probably wrong though...
Jannie> <<I keep thinking that with the rage that she carries within her and the diet pills she buys from Mexico, she'll stroke out on us one of these days (and no, the diet pills are NOT working, she's still the size of a cow) but *sighs* she's still here... no strokes or heart attacks.>> Hm...if you know her email address, or know someone who does, try www.pinstruck.com... >:) <<I survived the 24 hour Ph test, which consisted of wearing a tube up my nose and down into my stomach for a 24 hour period.>> Oof... >_< <<His graduating class had 666 students. *blinks* "666" for the class of 2000 *eerie organ music plays in the background*>> OK, that's too creepy...Would there happen to be a bloodstained black altar in the basement? Daughter> Glad things are starting to improve; hope they continue to do so. ^_^
Peter> <<The cheats are unlocked the same way but, at least on Agent level, are much easier to obtain. I took over 12 minutes on the first level and still got the cheat.>> Ah. Thanks. ^_^
Winterwolf> <<<world domination> You are going to have to beat the big headed mouse first.>> Brain or Mickey? :P <<Oh BTW I can make a good trusty sidekick. "I think so Niamhgold, but a supercomputer powered by concentrated sanity should probably be diluted with some water." ^_^>> I think that was me. :) Hm...Practice your vapid Cockney accent a bit and I'll get back to you. ;)
Green Baron> <<Today si Memorial Day and we have an immortal Jane Fonda to kill. In order to honor veterans who died for our country, feel free to kill the richest traitor in the United States and do it repeatedly. We can kill her whenever we wish to honor a veteran who bravely died for our country while she entertained the enemy.>> Always up for a little carnage...
**JANE FONDA AND MR DISCONNECT DEATH**
[Jane and DC are sitting in a secluded war room, discussing how best to subvert the US government computer networks in preparation for an invasion from China, Cuba, and other Communist world powers, when Wilek appears on each and every screen: "Hello, children. Thought you could get away with attempting to bring about the downfall of *my* nation? That will never do." Jane: "Computer, trace this communication and arm ICBMs." Wilek: "It'll do you no good. You'll be dead long before you can launch anything." Computer: "Call origin: internal terminal S3-441-87." DC: "He's inside the base...?!" When they look at the screens again, Wilek is no longer on them. That's because he's clawing down the door. The conspirators bolt for the exit, but find it blocked by a force field. Wilek rips the last scraps of the security door off its tracks and smirks, "Don't bother; I already have control of the security systems. I'm going to enjoy this." Wilek grabs Jane, rams her head up DC's arse, skewers them both on a 20-foot-long pole (nothing Freudian here...), skins them, knits electrified wire into their exposed tissues, and sets up the whole affair in front of the Washington Monument as a warning to others.]
**END**
<<Well, a fire would just set off the CR sprinklers, which can lead to fun, too :)>> Hope I took out the difluoric acid (put it in to prepare for a DC death that I subsequently forgot to do)...<<When you take oevr, just make me a General and give me a $20,000 per month salary.>> Actually, I was planning to make you my Finance Minister and have you administrate the economic legislation of the entire planet... 8)
GXB> <<there's a whole webpage about the Decepticons being the heroes of the show. Click my name to go there.>> Thanks. :) <looks at site and backs...away...slowly>
Warpmind> <<vicious puzzle for the poor trapped guy; he'll have to bring an item from one place to another, a kind of key... ]:)>> <muhahaha> Oh there is so much evil we could do with this...perhaps have multiple locks and make the keys all look alike? >:)
Shadowrider> <<I like chocolate, but I'm quite sure there's noone else here who likes it, so I'll not impose my taste...;)>> I *worship* chocolate. =) <<have you idea of how hard is washing blood away from clothes? ;)>> Ohh, don't I know it...this is why I usually only do DC deaths and the like at night; I'm in my gargoyle form, and don't have a shirt to worry about ruining...
Coyote> <<make a long story short, he and his wife were the only clothed guests at a *NUDE* wedding>> When did the blasted Betazoids establish a colony here?! :P
SOROW> <<I was watching Dune last night, and Sting gave me the impression of Payne running around screaming, "I WILL KILL HIM!" Hahahaha...>> Heh...I was also watching it last night. Fun movie, that. ^_^ There are a lot of connections to Star Trek as well--Patrick Stewart, Brad Dourif, the Guild/the Borg...
Robby> <<WHat about the works of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, the Beach Boys, Beatles and Elton John? What about the music from Star Wars?>> I'd forgotten about John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Danny Elfman, and their like; thanks for reminding me. :) (Although I *can not stand* the music of the Beach Boys, Grease, the Beatles, and Elton John.) Heh, I guess I'm just a wee bit obsessed with One-Winged Angel (which I consider the greatest musical accomplishment in the history of the human species, but that, along with all of the above, is just my humble and rather warped opinion ^_^), not to mention Kefka's theme, Liberi Fatali, Dancing Mad, Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec (it's really sad that I could remember how to spell that without looking it up), Succession Of Witches, etc...and that's not even getting into Castlevania, Mega Man...heh, sorry, I'm babbling again. I like video game music *way* too much. :}
Brooklyn> <<When I first saw Angela in Avalon part 1 I thought that if the offspring were male than he would look like his father, but w/ his mother's coloring.And if female than she would look like her mother but w/ her father's coloring. In my fanfics I tend to use this rule when it comes to a matter of character design.>> Interesting...I tend to mix and match whatever looks good from among the parents' traits; there are a gargoyle brother and sister in my ficverse; the brother has the father's hair color and horns, and the mother's skin color; the sister has her father's skin color and her mother's hair color and horns (and, for some reason, her paternal grandfather's beak)...
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 02:50:30 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com
Brooklyn: out of curiousity, where _are_ your garg fics?
Rodlox
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 02:25:57 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Robby: don't take this the wrong way, but i suspect we'll just have to agree to disagree on Gargoyle Physio-Inheritance. okay? {sorry}.
Brooklyn: sure, e- away. ::)
NOTES AND QUESTION AHAD:
{ahead, sorry}.
when i first saw _GARGOYLES_, it was the raid on the Castle Wyvern....and this reddish flying creature was swooping down towards the camera....
...and at the corners of it's long beak, along the jawline, there was almost like a vertical moustache....what is that thing called? a "free-standing muttonchop"??
thanks for any suggestions....after all, with their varied facial types, we may need to invent {or dig REALLY hard to find} names for their ornimentation.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 02:22:48 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Hey just thought I'd check in.
< Winterwolf>
email me when you get the chance.we've a lot to talk about.
< Rodlox>
When I first saw Angela in Avalon part 1 I thought that
if the offspring were male than he would look like his
father, but w/ his mother's coloring.And if female than
she would look like her mother but w/ her father's coloring
. In my fanfics I tend to use this rule when it comes to a
matter of character design. Sometimes though it may very
well be " at random" because if Broadway is Hudson's son
then the only similarities you can see are the bulk and wing type.Where would he get the genetic material for those
fan like ears. or the complete lack of hair. As you can see
the list goes on. I'd be interested in talking with you further on the subject or anything GargoyleS. So please
post me here or email sometime.
the genetic material come
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:38:49 AM
IP: usr138.cqc.com
Hey Klingon> Whats wrong with we 'uptight trekers'? Hummm?
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 01:14:23 AM
IP: phx-208.treknet.net
Had my graduation ceremony today. Its a day in my life I'll never get back. Ah well...
Wilek- FInal Fantasy music better than anything ever done by Americans? Aren't you exagerating a little? WHat about the works of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, the Beach Boys, Beatles and Elton John? What about the music from Star Wars? Or even the music from Grease, which is the ONLY thing that's kept that movie going 20 years, since it certainley wan't the plot...
Jannie- As Elisa pointed out in the show, Angela looks a lot like Demona, except the coloring was Goliath's. With most gargs, parentage is easy to figure out just by looking at them. Its the same way you can tell Gabriel is the son of Othello and Desdemona. But beyond that even, there was Sevarius doing genetic testing. Still, as the room has pointed out, usual gargoyle traditions involve not caring, so even if Hudson found out Broadway was his biological son, it wouldn't make any difference. Gargoyle customs are different than human ones, like naming. Why is that difficult for some people to accept?
Rodlox- Physical appearance in gargoyles isn't TOTALLY random. There doesn't seem to be anything holding them down to specific traits as a species, but where parentage is concerned, traits are definatley passed down.
Skippy- I may be going to A-kon by hitching a ride and room with Aaron, depending on how much cash I can scrape together by Thursday.
Starsinger- I saw the Charles Schultz tribute as well.I thought it was a rather cool thing, and put it with my April Fool's paper from a few years ago.
Gasper- Judging from your RP, looks like you've been watching a good deal of DBZ. I think you'll enjoy what I have planned with the 10 then... (I am curious however as to how your character learned one of Piccolo's attacks... Gohan later stole it, but since Piccollo never taught him the actual attack and Gohan only did it from observation, it warped into the yellow disk of energy that is the Masenko...)
Christine- Cool!
**RP HERE... STARTING THE TEN SAGA!!!**
Space... Its a really big place. I mean, really big. If you think its a long walk down the street, or a long drive across town or flying across country, then you certainley would never do well trying to cross the big big place that is space.
Now, in space, every now and again on some planet or another, through natural evolution or training comes a really powerful species, and usually one or two members of that species are really strong. The Saiyins/Saiajin of DBZ are an excellent example of this. But they aren't in this story because they cheat when fighting, and thats no fun to write about.
Instead, we focus on another species. The Maladruk. These guys are powerful. Really powerful. The strongest one on the planet had a power level of nearly 200,000. (WHich is nothing compared to Dragon ball characters, but thats why we aren't using them.)
The strongest beings on the planet are fighting a woman, and she is beating them very badly. At one point, she grows tired of it all, and just destroys the planet, flying of in space AFTER the planet explodes. She is a bit bored, nothing has provided a challenge lately. ANd then she recieves a message.
"Number four... Number seven has been killed."
"The cyber smurf?"
"Yes."
"The weakling deserved it. So, what planet did it? I assume you are telling me this so I can go wipe it out?"
"Actually, we are ALL going to the planet."
"What? Even you? Isn't that overkill?"
"I don't think so. It has been a long time since any of the ten save the lowest echelon has been destroyed. Number 7 had a decently high power. Any planet that can produce beings able to kill him is worth investigating. We may powerful creatures to replace some of the weaker members of the ten."
"All right. So, what planet do we head for?"
"A little backwater one called Earth. It will take you apporximatley 149 days to arrive there, and you will arive first by a week or two."
"All right number one, I'll be on my way."
The scene you just saw, which took place in the farthest reaches of space, occurred 148 days ago.
Robby
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:57:49 AM
IP: spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com
I'm dancing my butt off! This next week is going to be really tough cause I'm going to drill team officer camp and I'll be dancing all day for five days straight. *sigh* Someone just shoot me now and get the agony over with.
GB> I know I'd run up and smack you in the butt :) Congrats on the army, maybe you'll see my brother someday. He's stationed in Atlanta in the Army Band.
Wilek> I was watching Dune last night, and Sting gave me the impression of Payne running around screaming, "I WILL KILL HIM!" Hahahaha...
Matthew> Hello, I don't think we've met but it's nice to meet you. You think that Fang is the twins' godfather? I could very well be wrong, but if you read that story again you'll notice that Brooklyn grips Lex's shoulder when he talks of the twins' brush with death. I think Lex is the twins' godfather since Brooklyn and Lex are best friends. But that's my opinion.
SOROW
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:46:19 AM
IP: dll2a010-0323.splitrock.net
Elisa's gun> If I am not mistaken, it was .38 revolver. At least that's what I recall Broadway accidentally shoting her with...
Intersting fandom discovery: I logged into The Force.Net and found out they had regional message boards,including one for here in Dallas. Anyway, all of the TFN Fan Force people are organizing a table out at the next Sci-Fi Expo, which ought to be cool. Especially if the SW folks out shine the excessively uptight Trekker types. I also invited them to our clubs upcoming picnic,so hopefully we'll have a extrabig gathering this year!
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:27:23 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-41.ultravision.net
Christine: <<In fact, I revel in it ; ) >> i'm genuinely sorry to hear that...hope you get better, soon if possible.
Rodlox
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:52:47 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Off-topic but I just have to squeal with glee --
I spoke today with the woman in charge of TimeFare Books, an audio book company, and she LOVES Black Roses (my horror novel about an incubus, inspired by the fanfic of the same name). She's sending me a contract tomorrow, and wants to have a finished product in time for RadCon in February!!! So it will be a book-on-tape!
::squeal::
::clears throat::
Professional decorum. Right. Carry on. ; )
Rodlox > no need to apologize; I'm not troubled by my bad-girl status! In fact, I revel in it ; )
Christine
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:42:10 PM
IP: 14-083.009.popsite.net
Rodlox:
Ah, but you can train yourself to ignore those responses. Sure it's not a smart thing to do, but it can be done. Those are drives, not instincts. You don't _have_ to react to pain or fear. Here's a Garg related example: Elisa's initial reaction to Goliath was clearly a flight response (pun intended) but once she understood that he wasn't going to hurt her she consciously chose to override her fear.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:30:48 PM
IP: ppp-34.rb5.exit109.com
Archwolf> Why is being attacked by a cute baby 'a fate worse than death'? Nethaniel is only seven months old and he loves his little walker/car. He is forever trying to run everyone over in it. I hoping to get pictures up soon. I'l let everyone know as soon as I do.
My best friend in the whole world called me a few minutes ago. He is in Missouri:( becaure of the Airforce :I. He won't be back home again until Christmas. I suppose I can wait that long. At least he got rid of that fake thing he called a fiance. *covers mouth* Did I just say that?!? *evil grin*
Well I'll be around. PASTA!
JR
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 10:45:17 PM
IP: phx-210.treknet.net
DJ: <<Humans do NOT have instincts. We don't need them.>> *coughs as politely as possible* put your hand near a flame - see your speed then.....messages travel your nerves at 200 MPH {miles per hour} - still slow enough to burn your hand if you use reason. "hmm, i can feel my hand warming up from it's proximity to the flame. now, let me consider the pros and cons of whether or not to move my hand...."
humans have another instinctive reaction: FoF - Fight Or Flight...in the words of Gerald Durrell: "for anyone who doubts that they have a fight or flight mechanism, i challenge you to stand in an arena with an angry bull, and see how close you let it come."
Rodlox
Monday, May 29, 2000 10:37:54 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Shadowrider:
Thanks for clearing up the situation. I feel better now. (Well, I'm still sick, but...) And your translation of Fatum Iustum Stultorum is correct, although "The Just Fate of Fools" would be slightly better in English. Considering that you're translating from Latin to Italian to English though, I'm impressed.
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Here's another one. Keep in mind that this is the name of a level in a first person shooter type game. The literal translation might not make much sense otherwise.
Habe Quiddam
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Christine:
RE: "basis of sexual behaviors"
Well that explains a lot. ;) As a student of anthropology, I studied some of that too. Fascinating subject matter. And I think that your explanation of the communal hatchling-rearing makes the most sense. It would be a sensible adaptation to the conditions the tenth century clan had to deal with. Of course, we don't know if any other clans had the same practice. There was no indication in the series one way or another. I guess it comes down to whether this is a cultural or instinctive behavior.
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WARNING: Uncontrolled thought processes occurring!
Here's a question: do gargoyles have instinctive behaviors? _Can_ they have them?
An instinct is "a largely inheritable and unalterable tendency by an organism to make a complex and specific response to environmental stimuli _without_involving_reason_." (Emphasis mine.) Humans do NOT have instincts. We don't need them. We have brains that are capable of abstract reasoning. If we did have instincts, then I would argue that free will could not exist since instincts by definition would override rational thought. What we DO have are drives. Eating, drinking, and breeding are all drives. We have an urge to do these things, but we can choose to ignore them if we wish.
Do gargoyles have instincts? The not recognizing offspring thing is clearly not instinctive since Goliath did eventually accept Angela as his daughter. The no names bit also has gone bye-bye. Those are clearly cultural. What about the need to protect? I have my own opinion, but I'd like to see what other people think first.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Monday, May 29, 2000 10:24:38 PM
IP: ppp-34.rb5.exit109.com
**enters with Mara-ko, pulling Jane Fonda into a hidden room.** Start the tape, love! **Mara clicks on a VCR, then a tape recorder that starts playing the MST3K theme** All right! She'll be begging for mercy in minutes! **kisses Mara-ko, she goes back to watch RAW**
That'll do the trick ... I gave her something much worse than Barney to watch ... at high speed.
"Mano a mano": Actually is Spanish for "hand to hand," as in hand to hand combat. Sorry, but mano a mano didn't mean "man to man" until the advent of ESPN ...
Bizarre wedding ceremonies: A local radio station recently had a caller with an unlikely embarrassing wedding story ... to make a long story short, he and his wife were the only clothed guests at a *NUDE* wedding (even the JOP was nude for the ceremony, but they let this guy and his wife keep their clothes on. :).
Mec: IIRC, Elisa's gun is a 9mm Glock.
Cleveland debate: Well, at least the mapmakers could spell Detroit right ... ;)
(considering Cleveland is only spelled the way it is because a drunk cartographer accidentally left out the first "a" from Cleaveland.)
**perks up ears** Sounds like the tape's almost done ... **opens up the door to the hidden room** Let's see ...
**Movie on the TV, woman's voice: "I WANT MY F***ING SUITCASE BACK, @$$HOLE!"**
**Jane Fonda's head explodes. Ending MST3K Love Theme plays**
For ten cybercookies ... what movie did I just blipvert Jane Fonda with? (For another twenty, where did the term "blipvert" come from?)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, May 29, 2000 09:53:31 PM
IP: 216.28.101.122
Mec------The caliber of the side arm would Either be a 9mm, or a 44mm. But my bet would be a nine. Much easier to handle then the bigger guns, but bigger then the 22mm. I'm not sure, but the Army usually uses a 9mm Beretta.
Rod, Doug, et al.------VERY SORRY. Haven't been around this weekend, because I needed to go home for Mem. Day. Rod, go ahead and do what you need to do to get in. I don't know if those clones were killed or not, in the process of looking. Doesn't look like it, so I will kill them off, and head back to my ship. If you want, Go ahead and find my ship (Stormrunner, YT-1400 Corellian privite Aircraft. Modified ofcourse.) and either inspect it and I'll find you, or leave a message. That way, I figure I can get in. Either way, I'm gonna kill the clones and head back. Just giving you an oppurtunity to jump me. You have free use of my character, and I'll start my walk back to the ship, and if you want, go ahead and write my meeting with you guys in.
Green Baron-----Paul....Nathans....as in the Paul that wrote Pathways of Forboding, an FF7 fic? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KAMI! HELP!!!!!!!!!! Long story.
Religion----I'm a Christian, ELCA Luthern for that matter. But what I see sometimes in Christianity sickens me. Indulgences, unwilling or unknowing conversion, doctrines from some saying the Jewish should be a main conversion concern...it just pisses me off. We all follow the same God, but we're playing a HUGE game of Telephone, and no one is getting it right. Point of Deliniation- Saw End of Days last night. Great show. Gabrial Byrne rocked, as always, but that's besides the point.
***********SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!************8
The Chosen girl is in the church, Catholic I assume from the St. John and the priests and collars. (Don't flame me.) Suddenly, a whole 'nother group busts in, saying it is God's will to kill the girl. But the House Priests say it's not his will to beget Violence.
***********Spoiler ENds*******************
This is a good example of conflicts in the Church. It's sad, because we all have the same goal, but we b*tch and moan about who's way is the best we neglect the fact that in the core of it all, someone died up on a cross for us, and we seem to put that in vain. Maybe it's just me.
Converting others to our ways is okay. But when some groups in the faith target a certain faith, one that was around a helluva a long time before us, it's just dumb! Case in point. A 12-13 year old Jewish boy is invited to a fun night sponsored by the Southern Baptist church of his friend. he had fun, then a speaker came up and talked about sins. This boy was manipulated into signing a piece of paper that he believe JC was his Personal savior. Funny thing is, Jewish Philosophy says that JC is still coming, someday. The Sou. Baptists then ADMITTED that it was their intent to convert these kids. THAT"S JUST WRONG! Coercian is not the way to God!
***********END FLAMMABLE MATERIAL!****************
Okay, I'm done.
On with the RP.
****BEGIN RP***********
Seeing the squad of seven armed soldiers below, he stopped in midair, and Put his left hand to his wrist, and started channeling Ki. Pulling it up over his head, the large ball of energy formed. Atlast, the attack was channeled. Opening his mouth to speak, he pulled his arms down and shot the large beam witha loud cry.
"MAASSEENNKKOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Superheated energy flew down at the squad, hitting the ground in front of them, and carving backwards into one of the untrained soldiers, slicing him in half. The others dived for cover around the various rocks and mounds of stone, pulling their laser rifles up, and shooting at Gasper. TO the untrained eye, he immediately vanished, though to others, he just quickly appeared behind one of the shooters, and snapped his neck. The others heard nothing as the main died, while Gasper let the body drop to the ground. Pulling his blaster out of it's holster, he switched on the power consuming silencer and found he had 5 shots left. Looking over a rock, he saw two of the others looking up from their hiding spots. Snapping off one shot, he took one of soldiers right in the face, burning a small hole through his forehead. The other trooper saw his comrade die, and immediately shot at the Dragoon. Ducking, Gasper checked the gun, and found that there was actually one shot left on regular mode. *Damn Confangled new readers!* He rolled out, shooting another assailant in the stomach, dropping him. *Three left, no ammo.* Holstering the blaster, he turned on the scouter one last time, finding that the last four slowly converging on his spot. *Zeal would be really useful right now. Go time!* His inner monologue shut off, and his mind went into it's uncontrollable rage mode. Taking out his hand claw, he attached it to his wrist and leaped from his hiding place, and gutted the first thing he could see. Clawing through the man's stomach, he wrenched out his hand, and quickly slashed the weapon he tried to hold in half. The wounded trooper fell, the pain doubling him over. The three others looked, seeing the bloodied remains of their commander, and the large man who was about to kill them.
"I don't know who the hell you guys think you are, but there is no way you're attacking those people down there. NOW DROP YOUR WEAPONS!" Immediately two of them complied, dropping thier rifles and holding their hands up high in the air. The only one with a rifle looked to his subordinates, and shouted.
"Gamma, Ro! What are you doing! You want me to kill you, then your families? By the gods I'll do it!"
"No sir! A good soldier knows when he lost! The man took out our commander within two minutes! Besides...you know we have no-" Immediately, the rifler got off a shot, shooting Ro in the throat. Right away, he turned the weapon on Gamma, and at point blank range, blew off his head. Gasper could only stare as the man looked at him in the eyes and smirked.
"I'll be damned if you get any information out of those two. Now, I'm gonna roast your carcass." The man immediately brought up the rifle, but lost hold of it when his trigger finger hung there, along witht he rest of his hand, which was detatched from his arm by the wrist. Gasper took the gun and threw it away, turned and put the edges of his claw up against the man's throat.
"IN-FO-rmation. Give it, and I'll let you live."
"Nope. Thailog's orders." And with that, the man leaned his head back, then slammed it down on Gasper's claw, piercing his throat, and severing the jugular. Gasper pulled it out quickly. Seeing the man dead, he bent over to check for any ID, when he noticed a number on the back of the man's neck. Though it was bloodcovered, the blacknumber puzzled the Dragoon.
"So much for answers." Firing up his Ki, he soared into the air, overlooking the pass, when he saw a tractor-trailer roll it's way through, and off into the horizan. Satisfied, he motioned himself to the other direction, and flew off towards his ship...
***End Roleplay.********
Gasper - [gaspersk@hotmail.com]
MN, US
Monday, May 29, 2000 08:50:11 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4
*sneaks in behind Jane Fonda, carrying a rope, a gag, a sack, and a TV/VCR*
*each taking the ends of the rope, circling Jane quickly pulling her into a chair and securing it tightly with Jan's scout knots. Denis sets up the TV/VCR in front of Jane while Jannie takes a brown paper wrapped video case out of the sack. Smirking and chuckling among themselves, Jannie pops the video into the VCR. Denis pulls out a bag of pork rinds and opens it, stuffing one in Jane's mouth. As he begins to stuff another one, he notices a hair sticking out from the piece. Shrugging it off, he crams yet another pork rind into her mouth. Jannie stuffs the gag into Jane's mouth before she can rid her taste buds of the hairy pork rinds. Denis takes the remote control, sets it on "loop" and pushes PLAY*
*high fives each other and then skips out together, hearing Jane's death screams over the singing video*
"I love you, you love me, we're a happy family.. with a great big grin and kiss from me to you - won't you say you love me too?"
Jannie and Denis
Monday, May 29, 2000 07:44:31 PM
IP: 209.144.251.223
OK, I'm one of those guys who can't wait for Brooklyn and Sata to be reunited. The only question is the exact *ahem* TIMING of the reunion. ::Matthew ducks to avoid a stream of rotten fruit::
Sorry, sorry. I couldn't resist. Anyway, we know he doesn't return right after he left, since Sata's already spent years in the future after she laid the eggs. I certainly hope Brooklyn will be able to be there for the hatching.
I remember from TGS:Gargoyles that Brooklyn mentioned the twins' godfather having saved them when some bad guy busted into the rookery in the future. Judging from when he said it, I think that godfather is a certain brown mutate who ran out on his "parole" when a certain hotel caught fire. I suspect that Brooklyn was there when it happened, which I hope means he landed, the Gate went dormant for a number of years, hopefully long enough for the twins to hatch and grow to sufficient age to not be endangered by time travel. Now that I think of it, Ariana and Graeme's behavior and references made immediately after arrival in present-day Manhattan indicate they grew up in modern(or future) times.
I don't pretend to know what the TGS crew has in planned, but I'm just posting my opinions.
Matthew - [matts1@bellatlantic.net]
New City, NY, 10956
Monday, May 29, 2000 07:28:16 PM
IP: adsl-151-202-107-82.bellatlantic.net
Happy Memorial Day, everybody.
I think that Christine Morgan has a good explanation as to why gargoyles don't go in for individual biological parentage. (Another reason is simply that gargoyles aren't humans, and so would have their own outlook; the notion of "the whole clan raises the children" could be as much a part of basic gargoyle psychology as the "gargoyles don't have personal names" concept).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, May 29, 2000 06:52:00 PM
IP: 216.87.46.60.dialup-stl.primary.net
Christine: sorry.
Christine: <<LOL, people may think I just have a dirt mind, but I've _studied_ the basis ......... that's what I would have done my thesis on had I gone to grad school! ; ) >> oh....and here i just assumed that you'd read the books by Goodal(l), Fossey, Guridhas {their collegue who worked with orangs}....or at least Desmond Morris.
Rodlox - [Rodlox]
Monday, May 29, 2000 06:45:37 PM
IP: 207-172-130-233.s233.tnt3.col.md.dialup.rcn.com
*Archwolf swaggers in. When he sees Jane Fonda, Betrayor of All, he goes bugsh*t. He rushes up to her, cranks her head back, and rips her throat out with his teath, then grabs her corpse by its legs, yells 'MAKE A WISH!!' and pulls the legs in opposite directions, splitting her right down the middles* I have always hated that thing for what she did.
Kit and Doug>Welcome back.
Starsinger>I know the event Discovery is talking about. Druid Peak's Alpha Female died as a result of an ambush by three other females of the Druid's Peak Pack. Apparently the late Alpha Female was fond of hunting down the Beta's den and killing her cubs (normally it is only the Alpha female that breeds, but if space and food are abundant, then other females will breed too). It looks like the beta and two of her friends waited for the Alpha to return and kill the beta's latest litter, then ambushed and mortally wounded her. Revenge...such a human response. Unfortunatly, the Alpha Female had just had a fairly large litter. Fortunatly, the Alpha Male knew what was going on, then showed the other females where the litter was. The Beta femal (now the alpha female) took them in, and will ralse them as their own.
Janine><<OH NO I'M BEING ATTACKED BY A CUTE BABY!!!!>>ACK! a fate worse than death, IMO.
ShadowRider><<. I confess I don't know what to think about it, and I'd like to hear some opinions. >>that is something still being kicked around in the U.S., too. Personnally, I think if a person wants out quickly and painlessly, then let them. Oh, and if you are lookin for a proofer, and don't have one, let me know. I like reading other people's fics (cause none of the ones i write are any good ;)
Jannie>They bight be able to tell who they look like, but to the gargoyles, that would not matter. If you are brought up in a way that doesn't even consider blood relations, then seeing a half-pint running around that looked like you wouldn't really be anything you worried about. Besides, in the time taken to hatch an egg, either or both parents could well be dust (gravel?), so it wouldn't matter to them anyway.
uhoh....i think i just got attacked by a creativity entity.
What if it were to turn out that durning the Dance, Brooklyn meets up with a bunch of guys drunk in the woods, who really want to start a secret society ('just so we could say we did'). Brooklyn gives them the Idea of protecting gargoyles, getting info on them, and teaching others. Somewhere along the line, the original idea gets confused, and you have a secret socitey that gathers information and secretly rules the world..Poof, instant Iluminati. That would explain why the Illuminati always knows brooklyn when he dances into a timezone, and why they are interested in them in 'Present Day'
Oh well.
Gunjack Valentine><<What's your job?>>I rivit rings to binders. Our automatic machine can put out 1000 binders an hour, but it had some problems at the time, and was only getting about 650 per hour. I produced 741 3-ring (1 inch) binders in that one hour. And not even a 'good job'. Piffle. <<Are you channeling Hemmingway or something? What's up with the two-word sentences? >> Nope. Just being concise. <<That seems a bit wrong... >>When I find the sorces i found that in, I will email em too you...come to think of it, I think Musashi Miamoto might have said something about it in his book. <<Tempt death, maybe... But I'd just as soon not give the old bugger a bear hug and a big old kiss on the lips... >>Why do i see bugs bunny running up to a black-clad Elmer Fudd :p <<Though I have heard that PBs are illegal in England... >>Wow...the English can do something right, after all..;)
**RP**
Thailog stepped up to ShadowWolf and Mecord. "What do I want? Only to help you. As you can see, I have a tallent for bringing artificailly repressed memories and personalities back."
Mecord looked at the cloned gargoyle suspiciously. "Uh hu. And what would you ask in return? My soul?" He shot a glace at ShadowWolf. Thailog chuckled. "No, elf. I'm not in that business. All I as is that you disgtract some of your friends. Keep them off of my back for a short time. And perhaps in the future we would be able to come to another arangement. I leave the choice to you. Oh, and you needn't feer retribution if you turn me down. You will be safely escorted back to your friends. You have my word.
Atlanta
Warpmind was still trying to put Senthet's concerns to rest when he became aware of another person entering the room the same way ShadowWolf had come and gone. Warpmind didn't recognize her, but Senthet, seeing the woman's silver hair (and the huge direwolf who entered behind her) that this was Archwolf's companion WinterBlade in her human form. The now human Winterblade was showing many wounds, but she didn't seem to feel them. She looked at a stone hovering inches over her palm, then looked around the room. "Archwolf was here...where is he now?" Warpmind and Senthet shared troubled glances. It was the elf who spoke first. "Um...well, he was sort of here, and sort of not. See, a big black were wolf with Archwolf's voice popped in and really sounded like Archwolf when he said you were hurt. We..." WinterBlade cut her off with a wave of her hand. "Let me guess...he calls himself ShadowWolf now, doesn't he?" Senthet nodded while Warpmind watched the newcommer. "Hell. Well, I can't say we didn't expect him to never return, but we had hoped we would have warnings. That was why I was assigned to watch over him. I wil tell you this much. If you are ever alone wtih him, run. Don't try to fight, just get the hell away from him. And never trust his word. Now I have to get back to Belfast and tell the Elder Council about this." She turned and, with Warfrost following, faded back out of the prime plane of existance. Warpmind's commuincator beeped. After listening to it for a moment, his eyes got wide and looked at where WinterBlade had just been. "You said you tracked it to a place in Belfast, Ireland? Un oh..."
**End RP**
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 06:36:24 PM
IP: pumpkin-d-22.mcmurray.nb.net
I've decided to be a good little Pagan and not try any thing stupid. If you have any ideas on 'how to keep J.R. busy' please e-mail me.
Oh my goodness I am looking at the cutest seven month old you have ever seen. He is riding around in his little car/walker talking to everyone. His favorite word is DADADADADADADA.
Jannie> It's the same as everyone else has said, with Sevarius and all. If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me.
OH NO I'M BEING ATTACKED BY A CUTE BABY!!!!
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 04:59:42 PM
IP: phx-232.treknet.net
Winterwolf>>> The salute to Charles Schultz took the form of many comic strips having inserts of Peanuts characters in their universe. I usually get saturday's paper for the tv guide and they had part of the salute there. It may have carried over to sunday's funnies as well.
Oh by the way, check out Discovery.com for something interesting and unusual about wolves.
Starsinger
Monday, May 29, 2000 04:07:35 PM
IP: proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net
Green Baron > you so love to torment me, don't you? ; )
Rodlox > LOL, gee thanks ... but you are right about that form of matrilineal inheritance. A man could never be sure that his wife's children were his own (hence the oft-used Shakespearean line "So her mother tells me!"). But he'd know that he and his sister shared the same mother, so her offspring were his kin. Viva concealed ovulation! Keep 'em guessing! ; )
DPH > given that the eggs take 10 years to hatch and the violent lifestyle of gargoyle warriors, it would be entirely possible for an egg to be orphaned well before living to maturity. The communal family egg-raising style would ensure that someone was there to look after and provide for _all_ the kids.
LOL, people may think I just have a dirt mind, but I've _studied_ the basis of sexual behaviors ... that's what I would have done my thesis on had I gone to grad school! ; )
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 04:07:33 PM
IP: 07-147.009.popsite.net
Another week begins and...and...well, that's it!
Religious debate:>Daniel Johnson and Jannie: No, noone pushed me to stop or anything like that. Simply, I realized that I had made a comment without thinking enough, and that comment did hurt someone's feelings, what really made me feel afraid. Again, noone has pushed me to stop because of my beliefs. Anyway...well, maybe I exaggerated as I said the debate had to be stopped. Actually, it was just a mistake of mine, and I'll try to avoid it in future. So, I'll reply to the comments here, trying to be more careful about what I say. Sorry for the mess I did but I was really afraid as I wrote that post last night.
Jannie:> Well, I don't think the fact I am not sure a God to exist is totally due to the various Churchs' actions...but for sure seeing how faith has been used in history gave its contribution: because of it, in fact, I began to put in discussion what I had believed was true.
Valentine:> No, I'm sure you're not an addict and you can exit as you like...I can as well...isn't it? 8P
About early Christians...well, when they faced death and torture, they had no hope of revenge or justice...but for sure they believed that, after their death, they were going to be rewarded with the eternal happiness, and that faith made them go on. The effect was probably the same. Although I have not a faith, I don't underestimate the strenght it can give to the ones who follow it. Just think to the Jews, who conserved their faith in spite of all the persecutions they faced in their history...but such an effect was obtained not only by faith in God. <<There are no recorded instances (even by their enemies) of abuses of power or attempts to stir their churches into revolt.>> Hmmm...I'm not sure about it, but I seem to remember that Roman emperors tended to consider Christian sects as groups of revolutionaries...with this, I'm not going to say that they were truly.
By the way, this topic reminds me of a movie I've seen some times ago. It is an Italian movie that probably was never distributed in the U.S. and its title is: "L'inchiesta" ("The inquiry"). It is setted some years after Jesus' death: Roman Emperor Tiberius is worried about the increasing diffusion of a new religion, the Christianism, that for its teachings could be dangerous for the Empire's stability. Although his counselors don't believe there's a real danger, the Emperor wants to know more. Knowing that believers of this faith say that their Messiah, a Galilean called Jesus, was justiced and then resurrected from death, Tiberius decides to send a capable envoy, Titus Valerius Taurus, in Galilea, to seek out this religion's origins and possibly proving that Jesus did not really resurrect, so to eliminate one of this faith's foundations. To achieve this task, Taurus tries to reconstruct Jesus' life, by meeting people who say to have known him, and contemporarily he seeks for his body, that disappeared, officially stolen by Jesus' followers. By interrogating believers of Christianism, he is amazed by the strenght of their beliefs, and by the firmness with which they follow this religion's values.
Unable to find the body or to separate true witnessings from totally false episodes about Jesus' life, Taurus seeks for a hidden community of believers in Galilean desert he had heard about. He finds them, discovering that almost all of them are leprous, and tries to discover if they have second intents, or if they know anything of what happened to Jesus, but he is mistook for Jesus himself and is forced to escape the leprous that want him to heal them. Taurus returns to Jerusalem, now firmly convinced that this faith has to be eradicated as soon as possible. He still doesn't know if Jesus really existed or if he resurrected, but he is sure that if Christians will not be exterminated, the fundaments of the Empire itself will be shaken by that peaceful army whose number increases day by day. But, before he can return to Rome or send a message to the Emperor to communicate his conclusions, Pilatus, the Galilean governor, makes Taurus be killed, for fear that he is going to reveal to the Emperor the governor's corruption.
Toku Kaioto:> Hm...the fact of Gandhi is strange enough, and for sure deserves consideration... It reminds me of an episode of Gandhi's life I heard about. As you surely know, Ghandi studied in South Africa for some years. In that period, at least I was told so, he had the chance to study the precepts of Catholic religion, and he came to the conclusion that Catholicism was the most perfect religion, because it denied every kind of racism and social discrimination. So, Gandhi decided to make himself be christened, and went to the nearest Catholic church with this intent...but, on the door, he was stopped by a very kind priest who explained to him that, if he was so interested in Catholicism, he could find all the informations he wanted in a church for coloured people, because that church was reserved for whites only. Gandhi returned home, and was never christened.
To everyone interested:> I just today saw something in the news that made me upset a lot. Not far from where I live, a guy who was affected by a deadly disease asked to his best friend to help him in committing suicide, so to die in a quick and painless way. The other guy accepted, and hepled the friend to die by a lethal injection, then he went to Police and constituted himself, confessing everything. Now he is in jail, accused of homicide. I confess I don't know what to think about it, and I'd like to hear some opinions.
*End of religious/moral stuff*
Niamhgold:> <<... Any preference for CR cake? Will make you some for your party!>> Oooh, what a nice think. <sniffs in emotion> No, I have no preference...well, I like chocolate, but I'm quite sure there's noone else here who likes it, so I'll not impose my taste...;)
Got my emails?
Green Baron:> No, your post was not harsh at all. I was just upset and afraid because I had hurt your feelings, for what I apologize again. Anyway, as you can see, I decided to continue...and I promise I'll be more careful in what I write and most of all how I write it.
An Imaginative Way To Kill Jane Fonda? I'll think about it...;)
Pay: well, the pays I mentioned are for draft soldiers...professional soldiers take a pay that is about at the same level of the one you mention. By the way, in the Italian Army, professional soldiers have a minimum period of service of three years (if they leave before, they don't get enlistment bonus). Is it the same in U.S.?
Enlightenment: I admit I know nothing about Burke...
I agree that discussing about the Virgin (I mean the Holy Virgin...) was quite silly by them, for a lot of reasons, the most important of which you already mentioned.
<<...Well, I never knew you and Shadowrider were that close.>> Hmmm...if you are thinking what I think you are thinking, you are wrong, I swear it...
Hey, those quotings you emailed me were hilarious!
Well, I admit Keynes' death was a bit shaking to me...I mean, you could at least advertise me, so I could step away before...have you idea of how hard is washing blood away from clothes? ;)
Janine:> Hm...I admit I have not a great experience in these things...anyway, my suggestion is to keep on being friends. If you try to make him break with his girlfriend, it wouldn't be a very good action in his behalf. And breaking a friendship would hurt you and him as well. Stopping seeing him would not make you forget him...probably the opposite.
If you will keep on being friend with him, you'll keep on enjoying his company...and, if he feels for you something more than friendship, well, if you give time to time...
Daniel Johnson (again):> I'm not sure if the first phrase has already been translated...
Iustum Fatum Stultorum = Il Giusto Fato degli Stolti = Right Fate of Foolish Ones (I'm sure of what the phrase means in Italian...I'm less sure of my Italian-English translation...)
Hmmm...nothing more for now, it seems. Later?
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milano, Italy
Monday, May 29, 2000 03:42:34 PM
IP: h255-22-178.mi2.albacom.net
Well I was just sitting here going through old e-mail when a really strange thought came to me. Besides that I'm happy to be off today.
Really though. We know that when a human gets hit with elf shot that it is fatal even if it's a scratch. So I was pondering what would happen to a garg if they were struck? Since they're motal naturally the final result is that they would die, but would the symtoms be similar to what happen to Broadway after he was bitten by that halfling? It would interesting if not erie if it disrupted their stone sleep. For example if it prevented them from turning completely to stone. That would probably hurt. Oh well, just a thought I occationally have them during the summer. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the day off, while it's here.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Monday, May 29, 2000 01:17:31 PM
IP: spider-tj054.proxy.aol.com
Gargoyle eggs in rockery - Why were they placed there and not marked for parentage? Was it because once upon a time, some gargoyle(s) showed favoritism and the clan leader decided the best way to prevent it was nobody knowing who their children were? This almost sounds like a setup for TD.
Who in this room is the resident expert on internet security? I need to check some things in the RP to make sure umm. . .no comment.
Happy Memorial Day!!
Hmm. No spam yet to a certain email account and it has been 3 weeks.
Any suggested topics for the new week?
I seem to have some problems connecting to Yahoo Messenger. Last time that happened was when Yahoo was under attack. I hope I'm wrong about what I think the problem is.
**DIGIMON ANTI-CLIMATIC ENDING**
The digidestined discover the cause of all the problems in the digiworld is . . computer viruses created in the real world.
**END DIGIMON ANTICLIMATIC ENDING**
**BFTS RP continues**
A few hours later, Alex Freedman and Elaine Wiseman got out of the limousine and took their computers with them. The limousine left.
"Good luck in tracking us down. The mission was a complete success," said Alex Freedman.
"I don't think I'll deposit any money in that bank after checking out their internet security," laughed Elaine Wiseman.
"Neither will I," said Alex Freedman.
MEANWHILE
DPH and Plastique Saber finally arrived at Self-ReBoot's house.
"I heard you could make more money is you had more mental discipline," said Plastique Saber.
"Oh, some people figured out how I did so well in Virtual Reality." replied DPH.
"Yes, they have known since the beginning. If you had been able to win a different way, you could be making $300-$450/hr," said Plastique Saber.
**END BFTS RP**
DPH (Daniel Paul Hightower) - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 01:09:45 PM
IP: max1-5.cwy.cei.net
*Warpmind enters, wearing full plate armor and holding a bastard sword in his hand, plus a holster of three throwing axes on his back.*
Well, I played RuneQuest this weekend... fun, but I was challenged to an unarmed duel to "test" me by the more experienced characters. Now, I would councel to NOT go drinking in a Troll town; their beverages are strong. And fighting warriors is easy, but those damn priests cheat like HECK! *Grumble*
On to the serious matters.
SJ: Great news about your dad! Hope he turns out ship-shape eventually. :)
Niamhgold: Grazie again. Y'know, I really liked writing the philathrope bit. Particularly Sevarius' line about what scared him. ;)
Green Baron: Me! Me! I'm even a punster at heart! I wanna MiST! :)
As for the cigars, well, in my eyes, it's not so much who rolls them, as where the tobacco is grown... so if the cigar is made from Cuban tobacco, I'd guess you'd have objections even if ot were to be rolled by a purebred Aryan, or a Mexican, for that matter. :|
Sorow: A slumber party with 35 girls? Ah, what I wouldn't give to be in your shoes right now. ;)
Gunjack Valentine: I believe in understating such obvious matters as that with the Conquistadores. :) Oh, and I revealed your existence to a local gun maniac; hope ya don't mind. ;)
WinterWolf: I'm sorry, but you asked, right? ;) *Hands WinterWolf a bubbly, irridescent green liquid.* This oughtta burn out the vision, and the memory thereof. ;)
Gside: If our dubbing was at the level of German dubbing (at least they have a great many years of experience, and thus they know how it's done properly), I would have less complaints. And yes, that remark was of the kind that calls for peanuts. ;)Where my number is concerned, well, I'd make a joke of it if I recalled it right now... And quake in fear, for I will, as soon as I have it writen down before me. ];)
Christine/Spike: Oh, that Elves in Black image was brilliant! :) Encore! Encore!
Skippy: Well, if these Matrix ideas in Star Trek: Voyager keep up as you say, I keep thanking the Gods Above over and over for the fact that we only get TNG here... ;)
Wilek: What? You were denied access to the Nereus JSF project? Tsk, I'll see what I can do. ;) As for the maze thing, I'm no architect, but I *do* have a few ideas... mainly on the drawing board yet, but still... a vicious puzzle for the poor trapped guy; he'll have to bring an item from one place to another, a kind of key... ]:) I shall say naught more for now...
Jannie: Angela knows Goliath is her father, because Sevarius told her. He took a blood test of her during the Avalon World Tour; he was trying to capture Nessie, and Goliath, Elisa, Angela and Bronx interfered.
Mecord: I'd guess Elisa carries a 9mm, but I'm no expert.
**RP**
Warpmind grinned as the portal closed, and pulled up a small SatCom from his backpack.
"Tracking Central? I may have found Thailog's base; activate tracer... um... I23-Alpha-17-Omega-5. If you assault, do no harm to the one with the tracer, nor the Garou alongside with him; the Garou is messed up, but our boys in the Personality Matrix Modifications Lab may be able to set him straight again."
Warpmind flicked off the SatCom and shoved it into his pocket. Senthet stared at him.
"You placed a tracer on Mecord?"
"How else were I to keep an eye on him? Relax; the tracer must be seen to be found; it cannot be found by any scans, not even a metal detector or an emissions scan."
"Hmmm..."
**RP END**
Well, 'tis about it for now. Adios.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:51:47 PM
IP: maaloeytnb-gw.online.no
Wilek> there's a whole webpage about the Decepticons being the heroes of the show. Click my name to go there.
Doug & Kit> Welcome back to the CR.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:28:48 PM
IP: dialin-53-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net
Quicke
Mec>I belive it is a Baretta 9mm
more later
Archwolf
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:28:33 PM
IP: pumpkin-b-16.mcmurray.nb.net
Green Baron > Knock Cleveland all you want... at least OUR city founder, Moses Cleaveland, had the good sense to choose a location ABOVE sea level, unlike those crazy Cajuns who founded "N'arlens." :P
Gargoyle parents > Sevarius most likely still had a sample of Goliath's DNA stored away from Project Thailog which he could use to compare to Angela's. And since she _was_ Goliath's biological daughter, the DNA comparison would have been pretty straightforward. As for Demona... she learned about it from Sevarius before her "capture" in "The Reckoning," as it was revealed near the end that she had known all along and the whole thing had been staged in an attempt to win Angela over to her side (Demona didn't count on developing an emotional attachment, but even the best villian sometimes can't foresee ALL the contingencies). How Sevarius knew Demona was the biological mother of Angela... either by deduction, knowing she had been Goliath's mate, or again, by DNA. Delilah is concrete evidence Demona's DNA had been sampled at one time or another... and if you think about it, what better way to get her to volunteer a blood sample than offering a maternity test?
Mathematics > A googol is written as 1 followed by 100 zeros (a billion, by comparison, is written as 1 followed by 9 zeros). A googolplex is 10 raised to the googol power - that is, 10 multiplied by itself a googol number of times.
Patrick Toman
Cleveland Rocks!, OH
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:26:29 PM
IP: ac9afadc.ipt.aol.com
Green Baron: Cleveland? hahaaa!! there's worse places in America, bunky! {and Russia...but i won't go there}.
Skippy-The-Klingon, Winterwolf {and anyone else i may've missed}: you both have good points...{and i feel this turning into a discussion on gargoyle inheritance}, so i'll ignore the possibility of the genes coming from one of Goliath's relatives {like maybe his own father?}...
Angela: "my - brother?"
anywho, there is at least one human culture which may provide an alternative: in Africa, certain tribes practice a method of inheritance i unfortunately forgot the name of....
....but it involves items being passed from a man to his nephews. the logic was this {hoping i remember right}: that a man couldn't be 100% sure that his children were his own - but he could be sure that his sister's children were of his blood.
{stop staring at Christine - it wasn't like that!}!
RP NOTICE:
Doug, Kit, Winterwolf: feel free to bring me into the RP when you feel up to it....i'm lousy at introductions.
END RP NOTICE.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail]
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:18:34 PM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Jannie> Oops. That second Janine is meant to say Jannie. Oops, I did it again.
Winterwolf> <<:( I must plot my revenge now. How can I get Todd back? Hmm... ;)>>
Send Todd to the most desolate and evil place in America, Cleveland :)
Green Baron
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:00:39 PM
IP: proxy1-external.elmwd1.la.home.com
Gruesome Death with new victim!!
Jane Fonda was shot in the RP by oen bullett and much too good a death for her. Instead we use teh same solution that keeps Strom Thurmond alive and put it on her corpse. Now that Jane Fonda has been revived, Green Baron shoves an M16 up her legs and fires reepatedly.
END GRUESOME DEATH!!!
Today si Memorial Day and we have an immortal Jane Fonda to kill. In order to honor veterans who died for our country, feel free to kill the richest traitor in the United States and do it repeatedly. We can kill her whenever we wish to honor a veteran who bravely died for our country while she entertained the enemy.
David G> I guess I was seventh, my favorite number :)
Shadowrider> I hope my letter wasn't that harsh. You just said soem things that upset me. Please don't end teh debate on account of that.
Well, we can put religion aside for today and think up imaginative ways to kill Jane Fonda :) That goes for you too Gunjack :)
<<If I'll advance to Caporal, it will increase to about 300$, special indennities excluded. >>
I'll be the same paygrade as Corporal when I enlist, but I'll get about $1,200 a month in addition to an $11,000 enlistment bonus, which will buy a computer and the rest will be invested, along with my pay during Basic Training. As for your pay, I think you got shafted, though teh benefits betetr be good for $3,600 a year, which is a lot of lira, not that that's saying much :)
As for the Enlightenment, I like Adam Smith and John Locke, and I also like Edmund Burke, who was not a really a part of that. They had good ideas, but I think they shoudl ahve been focused on secualr stuff more than faith based stuff like the Virgin birth. Why bother proving it or disproving it? It's a really trivial topic to discuss. Christians and muslims beleive in it. Others don't. I owudln't expect you to beleive in it, but I'd expect SJ and Gunjack to.
Christine> I'll show you a pic of me in my Class A uniform and one of my Class B.
Kitainia> Lazio's a moderate as opposed to Guiliani, who is a Liberal, so I'd support him, though my favorite woudl eb Peter King, but Lazio has a good chance if he can get his butt all over New York fast enough, and Hillary probably has a bigger butt (she definietly has a major @$$h*le, but he's stil in the White House), so he can do it :)
You get some pics of my Uniform, too :)
Gunjack> Nietzsche was a big influence like Hegel and Wagner too. A pity Luther was also one of Hitler's heroes. Marty deserves a better legacy than that.
SOROW> 35 girls!!! I wonder how they'd respond to me in my green robe :)
Mandi> So did the post have computer labs or was it just certain Offcices you worked in?
I figured you were something like an IT administrator for them.
Crzy> Well, a fire would just set off the CR sprinklers, which can lead to fun, too :)
Niamghold> Well, I never knew you and Shadowrider were that close. My Memorial day was going to be a lot worse with my motehr planning some evil family fun day, but she has to work. That's a relief for me. I stay with her, because I don't have to pay rent. I really want as little do with my family as necessary.
Wilek> I volunteered. So did Jaden. When you take oevr, just make me a General and give me a $20,000 per month salary.
Janine> Don't mess with his relationship. See what he's like. To try to break him up with his girlfriend will some back to haunt you. I don't knwo what your exact beliefs are, but most pagans I know believe in the do no harm principle. That would be doing harm.
Janine> Actually, handfasting is quite ancient, but it may have been revived by the sixties. A pity such an ancient tradition has that blemish on it. I cna understand reaosns not to good married (tax penalty) and taht's how common law can screw things up. I bleive in Louisiana, a coupel living togetehr for seven years are seen as married, but we follow Napoleonic Code, not Common Law.
I'm off for now. Have fun killing Jane Fonda
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:55:46 AM
IP: proxy1-external.elmwd1.la.home.com
Rodlox> A possiblity, but I would think there would be an overwhelming number of genetic markers that would line up between parent and offspring. Since Sevarius had already created Thailog, he would be very familiar with Goliath's DNA, and an overwhelming similarity between Angela and Goliath lead to the conclusion she must be his daughter...
BTW:Who all is headed out to A-Kon the weekend? We ought to try and link up at sometime...
Skippy The Klingon - [skippy_the_klingon@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:51:18 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-44.ultravision.net
Rodlox> A possiblity, but I would think there would be an overwhelming number of genetic markers that would line up between parent and offspring. Since Sevarius had already created Thailog, he would be very familiar with Goliath's DNA, and an overwhelming similarity between Angela and Goliath lead to the conclusion she must be his daughter...
Skippy The Klingon
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:50:01 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-44.ultravision.net
Top something...
Sunday was much better than Saturday. I drove out to my sister's then she took everyone out. ^_^
New thought on gargoyles: A while back in the CR we talked about stone sleep cycles. Stone sleep is set by a gargoyle's biological clock, which happens to correspond with the rising and setting of the sun. My question is do you think it would be possible to break this pattern say if a gargoyle had a potent sleep disorder? Just a thought.
Druid the Druid> Thanks for the email. I'm still working on getting the gargoyles episodes. It's going to take time but I've gotten started on a few already. Slow and steady wins the race. *sigh* ;)
DPH> You had a power outage that made your computer work better? That's got to be a first. Usually a little persuasion with a blunt object does the trick. *kick* *punch* *smack* Oh it's working better now.
Starsinger> <salute to Charles Shultz> Doh! When was this? I missed it unless you've come back from the future to tell us. ;)
Niamhgold> <two days off> Hope you're having fun. <chauffeur> The true irony here is that at one point in his life he worked as a chauffeur. :) <world domination> You are going to have to beat the big headed mouse first. Oh BTW I can make a good trusty sidekick. "I think so Niamhgold, but a supercomputer powered by concentrated sanity should probably be diluted with some water." ^_^
Wilek> <interdimensional nexus> I still haven't found it. I have it on a floppy somewhere. As a temporary conciliation prize here is a special group I was once a part of in Albany:
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Janine> This sounds like a delicate situation. You said you were friends. In that case I would suggest talking with the guy. Find out if he is really back together with her. I have a friend you still hangs out with his ex as a friend at times. Now if they are back together I personally wouldn't interfere, but that's just who I am. As for keeping it out of mind you might try keeping yourself busy. In the past that's worked fairly well for myself.
Daniel Johnson> googol plex - The number 10 raised to the power googol (10100). I'm half asleep so I'm probably missing something important.
Jannie> Hmm. I'm probably going to trip up on replying to either you Jannie or to Janine at some point. ;) <24 hr tube and resolution on my stomach problems> Ouch. I'll say some prayers for you. Get 100% well soon.
Jannie and Skippy The Klingon> <gargoyle eggs, Angela, Goliath and Demona> <Sevarius did a DNA analysis> Okay there is that. As for Angela continuing to wonder we need to remember Katherine, Tom and the Magus raised Angela on Avalon. Human customs and traditions more heavily influenced her. The idea of biological parents was probably sparked at some point on Avalon. The majority of these parents are believed to be dead so most of the Avalon clan did not expect to ever see their biological parents. Goliath is uncomfortable with this discovery as it goes against one of the clan's traditions. All the parents are mothers and fathers to the clan children. I remember an episode where I believe it was Brooklyn who said, "You leave our mothers out of it!" I think other parents have been able to notice their biological child but it goes against custom and it also serves to increase their chances of survival having everyone looking out and caring for each other.
******BFTS - RP******
Winterwolf appeared in Jason's mind. "When I say 'go' I want you to focus on what is happening around you. This way you can see what is happening in DPH's house as well as me in your head. Do you..."
Jason yelps and loses his concentration. His mental form disappears.
"Great. What happened now?" Winterwolf went to see what happened.
Jason almost sprang from his seat. He saw a cat had jumped on his lap and managed to break his concentration. Winterwolf was looking at him shaking his head. "I started thinking about my body and the cat jumped on me I felt it land on..."
"Never mind. I guess I should be happy that you could pull yourself back so quickly. Let's see if you can defend yourself with the ring at all. I'm going to zap you with a static bolt."
Jason concentrated on protecting himself. "I'm ready."
Winterwolf pulled out a small paper with a magical rune and tossed it at Jason. It hit him and he felt a tiny spark of electricity as the paper turned to dust. Jason shuddered involuntarily.
"Looks like we still have a lot of work to do. Let's get something to eat and then we'll continue."
**Meanwhile in a secure room filled with electronics.**
"I thought he'd never leave us alone!" DC said angrily.
Netlag consoled him saying, "It will be better soon. Have a little patience."
"What were you saying before? About having all we had and more." DC asked.
"We need to convince NCA to give us a portion of his power to better serve him and restore him if the mortals should defeat him."
"How do we do that? I don't see him agreeing to this."
******END BFTS - RP******
Mecord> I could find out the caliber for ya since I don't know off the top of my head.
I'll be back tomorrow. I'm going out for the day. Hasta manana! The first n should have a tilde ~ by the way.
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:45:06 AM
IP: dialup-209.246.84.165.newyork2.level3.net
<<
In an episode during the "World Tour" they ran across Sevarius in Loch Ness, Scotland. Anyway, Angela was captured,and Sevarius did a DNA analysis of her(after all Angela was only the second Gargoyle female he had seen) And Sevarius revealed her parentage to her....>>
true....but how many gargoyles did he have DNA to compare Goliaths's and Angela's to? not only is there Hudson and Bronx {since physical features are a random aspect - according to this room}, but there is also all the dead gargoyles of Pre-Massacre Wyvern Clan.
...hmmm....maybe a better title for Goliath could be _Uncle_...?
Rodlox
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:30:46 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Quick question:
What caliber and/or make would Elisa's sidearm be? Any one know what police ussually cary? Any guesses?
Mec
Monday, May 29, 2000 11:01:13 AM
IP: usr44.mtwest.net
Wilek> <Are there proper cheats rather than the 'unlocking' ridiculousness that infested Goldeneye?> The cheats are unlocked the same way but, at least on Agent level, are much easier to obtain. I took over 12 minutes on the first level and still got the cheat.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Monday, May 29, 2000 10:37:21 AM
IP: dial-224.ocis.net
jannie- regarding marriage and the legality of which- well one friend of ours had a startrek wedding- what they did was go to the JP (it took 30 miniutes) and get married via the state, then they had their ceremony. I know a lot of people who do it that way.
jenna
Monday, May 29, 2000 10:25:48 AM
IP: 1cust107.tnt3.stafford.tx.da.uu.net
Janine<<Since the gargoyle eggs are all placed in the rookery and raised as one family without the knowledge of who their blood parents are - how does Angela know that Goliath and Demona are her blood parents and vice versa. I know that Goliath had a difficult time acknowledging Angela as his own, but yet how do they know for a fact that she is their offspring? Why was Angela the only one to know who her rents are? Goliath and Demona have the market cornered on "instinct"? Wouldn't other Gargs also know by instinct who their blood children are?>>
In an episode during the "World Tour" they ran across Sevarius in Loch Ness, Scotland. Anyway, Angela was captured,and Sevarius did a DNA analysis of her(after all Angela was only the second Gargoyle female he had seen) And Sevarius revealed her parentage to her....
Skippy The Klingon
Monday, May 29, 2000 09:19:48 AM
IP: uv1cisco01-34.ultravision.net
Toku> American Heritage Dictionary: Marriage - (1) the state of being married; wedlock, (2) a wedding (3)any close unison.
I think #3 qualifies any type of "marriage" as being just that. While I may or may not agree with female/female or male/male marriages, that doesn't change the fact that under the definition of marriage, they are married.
As far as the Wiccan ceremony of hand holding.... unless they have signed legal documentation in the eyes of the government they are not legally married - unless they live in a state that honors common-law marriages. *chuckles* Who knows if they are married or not these days, huh? Some of the Wiccan wedding ceremonies are very familiar to those of the "hippie era" where field weddings were quite popular. The ol' "I don't need a piece of paper to be married, we're joined together thru the heart, soul and love" line. Yeah, well.... that was all good until they hit the divorce court and found out that they didn't have any claims or rights to each others' property ;) Or even worse - when there was need for spousal approval - under the eyes of the law, they had no spouse. Of course, the legalities have all changed since those days, but the "hippies" opened that pathway for the Wiccans and others who choose this particular method of marriage to be recognized as being married.
Wilek> *chuckles and steps aside* go right ahead, my friend :) the sooner she is gone, the happier life will be around the school. I keep thinking that with the rage that she carries within her and the diet pills she buys from Mexico, she'll stroke out on us one of these days (and no, the diet pills are NOT working, she's still the size of a cow) but *sighs* she's still here... no strokes or heart attacks.
At least I the next two months are b!tch-free and I can actually begin to relax :)
Thank you to all of the others who have commented and given words of encouragement concerning this beast of a human.
Janine> Assuming you were capable of breaking up this guy and his girlfriend - would you want someone to come along and do the same to you at a later date? You said that you can't get him out of your mind.... is this because he was so cute or that you spent time getting to know him and really enjoyed his company? Personally, I suggest that you get to know him better... make friends with him. You may find out that he's not all that great afterall. If it was just a physical attraction, then you'll find out that all of your energies would have been wasted in trying to break him and his girlfriend up. Besides, that type of behavior (on your part) rarely turns out to be the best way of achieving a boyfriend. If you become friends with him and there is a mutal attraction and he leaves his girlfriend to be with you, then you are not at fault. But, to deliberatly set out to break them up just so that you can have a shot at him is just plain rude and nasty. (and you don't appear to be that type of person) Plus, the moment you attempt to do such a thing, you have created a reputation for yourself.
I'm still learning about Gargoyles and such so I have a question. I have asked Oracle and Denis this in private, but found them to have 2 separate and very interesting explanations and would like to hear other ones as well.
Since the gargoyle eggs are all placed in the rookery and raised as one family without the knowledge of who their blood parents are - how does Angela know that Goliath and Demona are her blood parents and vice versa. I know that Goliath had a difficult time acknowledging Angela as his own, but yet how do they know for a fact that she is their offspring? Why was Angela the only one to know who her rents are? Goliath and Demona have the market cornered on "instinct"? Wouldn't other Gargs also know by instinct who their blood children are?
Like I said, I'm still learning - so please be gentle with me when answering... *smiles sweetly* This has probably been covered in here before, but it was BMT (before my time), so my apologies if this is a repeat question.
I went to see Gladiator yesterday. It was alright. Not the best I've ever seen nor the worst. I personally do not like battle scenes that are very up close and moves quickly - I can't focus on it fast enough and it makes me dizzy. (the blood and guts are not an issue and does not bother me) My son spent the afternoon correcting the historical facts that were misrepresented until I finally said, "it's JUST a movie - not a documentary" geesh! *chuckles*
Thank you to all the well-wishers on my stomach testing. I survived the 24 hour Ph test, which consisted of wearing a tube up my nose and down into my stomach for a 24 hour period. Needless to say, it was an extremely uncomfortable time and actually quite painful experience.... one that will NOT be repeated. Heh, I looked like I was Borg or something from a Star Wars bar scene. I return to the doctor on June 7th to discuss the "abnormal test results". Hopefully a resolution on my stomach problems with begin after that. :)
Congrats to all of those who have graduated this month or have at least taken and hopefully passed all finals. I know that it's a relief to have it out of your hair so that you can begin a restful summer.
My son graduated from high school last Saturday. His graduating class had 666 students. *blinks* "666" for the class of 2000 *eerie organ music plays in the background* It was a long, hot and boring ceremony.
Update on my daughter: she is still living in Missouri and the last time I spoke with her I heard happiness in her voice that I hadn't heard in almost 2 years. She's checked into what she'd have to do to complete her senior year there. I'm not holding my breath, but at least she is considering it & hopefully will follow thru with her plans. She has a full time job and has her own apt. there now and 2 kittens to keep her company. I purchased her a car (she thinks it belongs to my parents and has no idea that that I actually own it) She's still a long way away from being the Anna that I once knew and raised - but at least she's on the right path now. When you play in the gutter and trash for 17 months, it's going to take awhile before the stench leaves you. I will be seeing her this summer when I attend my class reunion. I will stay with her instead of my rents - to help mend fences between us and so that I can bring my chihuahua, Juanita. (Juanita has an "attitude" problem *L*) ok, ok the real truth..... she's a spoiled bratdog who has a tendency to bite people when they come near me ;) She does remember Anna though, so she doesn't bite her.
The religious debate: Shadowrider, I am saddened if someone has said something to you (in private or otherwise) that was hurtful or inappropriate because of your opinions and beliefs.
I think this line of debate has been handled with great maturity. Sure, some of the ideas expressed have not set well with me - but yet everyone is still entitled to their opinions and choices.
Religious beliefs boil down to one major factor... FAITH. Whatever you are comfortable in believing is what you should do. There is no absolute church - just one that you feel the most comfortable and agreeable with your own personal beliefs. Churches are not perfect simply because they are governed by humans.
If a case is made to not believe in God because of what man has done in the name of God - then that's pretty lame. IMO
A relationship with God should be personal and within your own heart and soul.... not what someone else has done.
I've rambled on enough - sorry. The tension is gone from me since school is out and I guess I'm feeling more talkative now ;)
*puts duct tape on my mouth and wraps my fingers to shut up*
*waves bye*
Jannie
Monday, May 29, 2000 09:11:03 AM
IP: 209-144-251-75.hou.port.mytelco.com
Well, Rodlox got the second one right, although Gside's translation of "swift" is better. And the proper form is:
Manus Celeris Dei
since "manus" is feminine. Besides, aren't ship names supposed to be feminine? ;)
As for the first one; sorry Gside, you're wrong. Try again.
I'm not going anywhere tomorrow...er...today. I have to work. At least half the day. Fortunately, Ocean Grove/Neptune always has a good Memorial Day parade and I'll be able to see that. I still like parades. :)
And yes, a google is 10^100. Any one know what a google plex is?
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Janine:
Well, that's a dilemma. The only advice I can give is this: would you be happy in a relationship that was based on a selfish impulse? How would you feel if someone did that to you? Those are questions that only you can answer. Good luck. As for getting him out of your head, I'm afraid that there's nothing we can do. Well, maybe electroshock therapy. Wilek might have something that would help with that. :) He has quite a collection of interesting devices.
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Wilek:
Yeah, those are pretty bad maps, aren't they? Especially "This Map Is GoodFun", "Mad Bomber", and "Cappen". Ugh. I actually tried some. Oh, the pain, the pain! Lava cubes?!
"Although exclamation points are fun to put through people's eye sockets." Blink. Have a wee bit of repressed anger, do we? :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Monday, May 29, 2000 05:33:38 AM
IP: ppp-29.rb5.exit109.com
***Janine Wanders in***
Hi everyone. I really don't know what number I am. I have not counted. I need advice. Can anyone help? I met a really cute guy a few Saturday nights ago and now I can't get him out of my mind. I saw him again this past Saturday and he had gotten back together with his girlfriend. Should I forget about him for now and just remain friends(if so how do I get him out of my mind?) or do I try to get him to break up with his girl and then go after him(which would be really cruel)? I need help getting him out of my head, he is starting to interfear with my dreams!
***Shrugs and goes to bed***
Good night everyone. (good morning in most cases)
Janine
Monday, May 29, 2000 04:08:50 AM
IP: phx-239.treknet.net
<<you never exist, so who went back to kill your grandfather? Fortunately, in fiction at least, this is resolvable via parallel universes...>> i just use the “Bribery” roiute.....find somebodyu with the motive already there - and tip him over teh edge [psycologically] to kill your ancestor....that way, even if you do cease to exist, he still would have done it.
<< you must not have begun digestion yet or you would have been torn to atoms by now, so there may still be time if we get you to emergency surgery ASAP. Been having stomachaches?>> you underestimate my stomach.
<<The only ones I can think of offhand are my creativity divas, and they're confined to the twisted little world inside my mind so they can't do anything about it unless I let them, which I won't. :)>>
cephalopods? arthropods? Other? please describe them! {at the least, offlist}.
Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 02:35:46 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
Top 47,000,000,000,000,000 :)
I am now scared to death. I had entered my own name in a search engine, and eventually happened upon a link that announced that some new technological system called 'Nereus' is being used in a joint strike fighter project. When I tried to click the link, I was presented with a password entry form, for which I did not have the password. :O
In other news> Why should Gside have all the fun? ;) Click my name for a few nice MP3s and ever so slightly disturbing insights into my tastes in music. ^_^
Gside> <<<<every console other than the N64 probably count as abandonwarez>>: Don't forget Playstation, Dreamcast, and perhaps PS2.>> Of course. :) Heh, I meant to type *older* than the N64 instead of *other* than... :} <<Not until someone has done a thorough phychological evaluation of Jericho.>> What's to evaluate? He's FUBAR. 'Nuff said. :P <<Did we ever figure out what to do with such concentrated sanity when the time arises?>> I think I'll be using it in a supercomputer or something, if no one else needs it?
Daniel Johenson> <<visit Cranky Steve's Haunted Whorehouse (http://www.somethingawful.com/cranky/). No, it's not a whorehouse nor does it appear to be haunted, but it does have reviews of some of the worst game maps in known space. After reading some of these reviews I was laughing so hard that I almost passed out from lack of oxygen.>> I reached that stage of asphyxiation after reading the Goodfun map review. =) <<Have some exclamation points!! They're fun *and* useful!!!! Amaze your friends! Beat your enemies into submission!>> Exclamation points are pretty fun, although I prefer tildes (~). No particular reason, just the way I am. ^_^ Although exclamation points are fun to put through people's eye sockets.
Hyperion> <<Ok, you get a trophy for that comment. Well done and a bonus in your paycheck.>> Thank you. ^_^ Wait a minute, when did I start getting a paycheck? <shrug> Ah well, money is money...<<<transformers> Well, I have the movie...<shrug> I like most of the soundtrack from he movie. Very 80's.>> The remix of the main theme is nice; in addition to being one of the few rock songs I can stand, it really reminds me of the Unseelie War...
Winterwolf> <<Yeppers. I'll put it on a floppy for you and send it with the CD. It is a trainer. Right up your alley too. It is the Boba Fett trainer. Anyway if you want it its yours. Otherwise it will sit on my shelf collecting dust. :)>> Err...thanks, but no thanks; I have a phobia about recieving EXE files in my e-mail. :} <<Actually everyone here is probably better off if I don't find it. :)>> By all means find it; I need some interdimensional nexus research for my experiments. ^_^
Gunjack> <<Short Awnser: never play basketball in dress shoes... Basicly the balls of both my feet were covered by huge blisters. I peeled on off, and the other's probably gonna join it soon...>> >_< <speechless> <<That reminds me of a story someone mentioned in here a while back... They said that their anisthetic wore off partway through major surgery... 8O>> OMG. O_o I seem to remember reading about someone waking up during a C-section childbirth...
Heather> <<Just lately I've been in a depressed mood, you know having so many things going on in your life that you seem you can't get out of ? Like that.>> Oiii...I've been there, although thankfully they've done more to annoy me than depress me...Hope things improve for you soon...<<Kill your grandfather paradox > What ? Who the heck started that ?>> It's a twisted little science thing. Basically, if you go back in time and kill your biological grandfather before your parents can be born, it sets up a temporal paradox, because if your parents are never born, you never exist, so who went back to kill your grandfather? Fortunately, in fiction at least, this is resolvable via parallel universes...
Mara> <<::blinks... and then, still in gravelly wrestler voice:: Warpmind, Wilek.. Wilma Flinstone.. just... bring it.>> <LOL> Mara vs Wilma Flintstone...I can just see *that* deathmatch...<<I have seen the Dark Side of people.. I have seen horrors beyond your imagining..They have a Mary Kate and Ashey Olsen doll. Horrors I tell you. Horrors.>> That, combined with the Rosie O'Donnell doll, is reason enough to suspect that the Apocalypse is upon us...<<Actually have you seen the piece of c-r-a.. (hmm what's that last letter?) that's been posted about Fang and Claw?>> Gettin' Out by 'bob'? Ugh...I haven't actually read it (I refuse to open an account at the adult site), but just the thought of my personal favorite mutate (Claw) being so desecrated...<barf>
Jannie> <<She handed out bomb threat procedures today and I'm listed as checking certain rooms for bombs...>> OMG...Kill her. Now. On second thought, maybe you'd like to let me kill her while you watch. Or vice versa, I'm easy either way, as long as this creature dies...
Spacebabie> <<I'm already getting the ice water ready for SJ after that scne with Willow, and Tara in the icecream truck.>> Like all that ice helped *them*? :P
SJ> <<Seems the folks who own the rights to the movie franchise want to restart the property with a new Conan film, and the Rock is tops on their list of potential loin-clothed barbarians.>> Hm. What does this guy look like? Because my familiarity with him begins and ends with a Heretic II player character texture set that looked eerily like one of my own fic characters...<<But I suppose now is the time for bubblegum pop.>> <sigh> I wish video game music would catch on; there is stuff from the Final Fantasy series alone that's better than anything ever written by Americans...
Warpmind> <<as for those earning severe punishment: remember that deathtrap maze discussed earlier? :) Survive and go free, die and, well, you're gone.>> Ah, now I remember. <hehehe> <evil thoughts>
Rodlox> <<no offense intended to any invertibrate members of the CR>> The only ones I can think of offhand are my creativity divas, and they're confined to the twisted little world inside my mind so they can't do anything about it unless I let them, which I won't. :) <<M.J.Fox, star of tv and silver screen, will make his final appearance tonight in the season Finale of the tv series _Spin City_. not only is he leaving the show, he is also leaving acting {as far as i've heard, there are no exceptions}.>> Oh no. :( And I liked The Frighteners...<<did you know David Xanatos is related to John Hammond?>> <blink> Eh? <<btw, you want me to spit it up?>> Only if you haven't begun to digest it yet, and even then we'll have to run it through a decontamination cycle before we transmit it to my base of operations. Of course, given the energy involved, you must not have begun digestion yet or you would have been torn to atoms by now, so there may still be time if we get you to emergency surgery ASAP. Been having stomachaches?
GXB> <<The Decepticons aren't evil, the Autobots are.>> <blink> Ye just lost me...
**TD SPOILERS!**
Great story, great pic. ^_^ I do wonder what will happen to Payne though. (A major character involved in a dramatic 'death' scene where no actual dead body is witnessed? He'll be back.)
**END**
Patrick> <<Only 71 days until Gathering 2000. :: looks around the room :: Will YOU be there?>> I wish...<sigh>
Green Baron> <<Two Saturdays ago, I was sworn in as a Private First Class in the US Army. I will howeve be in New Olreans until January 30, when I am sent off to Basic Training.>> Oh. My. Gods. Not another one... :`( When I come to power, you and all the slaves will be free...
Archwolf> <<Someone in here (Wilek?) sticks it all into big mason jars and hides it>> I think whoever happens to get around to it first does that. ^_^
Peter> <<I just bought Perfect Dark and boy is it sweet!>> Are there proper cheats rather than the 'unlocking' ridiculousness that infested Goldeneye? ;)
Theresa> <<A 13-year-old middle-school student was arrested Friday after allegedly pulling out a semi-automatic pistol and fatally shooting his seventh-grade language teacher during the last period on the final day of classes, police said.>> Oh no. :( <moment of silence>
Christine> <<I am not worried about _scaring_ Greg>> I think it's a bit late for that, lass; has he heard about the eclair? ;)
Wilek Nereus
Monday, May 29, 2000 02:24:43 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com
Rodlox> <<mano eh mano>>: The corrrect preposition is "a."
Daniel Johnson> <<I'm sick>>: So does that mean you won't be able to make it out to the pareade in Ocean tomorrow? (I wonder if I'll be getting the Thunderer again...)
<<Sick is bad>>: No arguments here.
<<Fatum Iustum Stultorum>>: Death, foolishly justified. I'm not sure how to do the genative for foolish.
<<Manus Celer Dei>>: The swift hand of God.
Rodlox> <<A _gogol_ is a 1, followed by 12 Zeros>>: I believed it was google, equal to 10^100 (and a pretty good search engine, too).
<<'The Fast Hand Of God'>>: I thought swft was more poetic (plus, my dictionary didn't say fast, a whole bunch of synonyms, but not fast).
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, May 29, 2000 02:03:09 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
A _gogol_ is a 1, followed by 12 Zeros. i am within the first gogol of people here.
nyaaah! ::)
the translation for the 2nd one is 'The Fast Hand Of God'.
{it may take my friend a while to do the first one}.
Rodlox
Monday, May 29, 2000 01:52:20 AM
IP: cc391097-b.catv1.md.home.com
9th
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:43:01 AM
IP: proxy2-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com
Shadowrider:
*shrugs* I’m not going to ride you on this because you want to drop it, but I want to point out that the bulk of what you throw out there is opinion, interpretation, and assumption, not fact. That same kind of approach is what causes so much failure and error by those religions that you are so worried about. Worry about anything school of thought that people can abuse by absolving themselves of personal responsibility to think, that goes for Nationalism, Patriotism, Chivalry, and Government just to name a few.
As for religions in general, I have problems with Anyone in my religion as well as others that claim to have the perfect line on everything. I also don’t like the notion that everyone who isn’t agreeing with you is going to be damned. It was rather interesting talking with some of the priests in my parish and finding the consensus being that Ghandi of all people was high on their lists of roll-models and people who would find paradise. Strange for a non-Christian to earn that distinction if disagreeing with the Church gets you thrown into hell, huh?
As for the Crusades, religion was a red herring. The nobles went on them for money, power, and land (generally younger sons who couldn’t inherit lands in Europe). The peasants went because they were serfs and couldn’t say “no” to the land owners who conscripted them. Religion was an excuse to keep them from grumbling too much. You found a priest or friar who lived on your land, got a bunch of guys with swords behind you, and told him what to tell the peasant levies. If he didn’t want to, he could always find a new place to live … or die … and you could always find another priest with a little more … “patriotism” …
In the perspective of the Crusades, it is important to remember that the Church is very plainly Being manipulated, not the source of the manipulation (though admittedly a tool for even More manipulation).
Patrick Toman:
You know, maybe yes, maybe no. In Democratic Republics, the STATE is always subject to the influence of the Church, as it should be. A government By the People, will be influenced by the values Of the people, religious or no. On the other hand, the government regulates Marriage, a Religious sacrament. The government has NO PLACE regulating marriage. All the government has a Constitutional permission to touch are contracts between people, including household and spousal contracts.
Sure, you want to split something 50/50 with someone and have a monogamy stipulation, have one. You don’t want the monogamy stipulation, don’t have one. You want to have it male/male, male/female, or even more than 2 people? Fine, whatever, it is just a Contract. That’s all. So DON’T call it marriage.
I find it offensive that people still use the word Marriage, in Modern English denoting a Judeo-Christian sacrament, to describe every union. Don’t insult my Wiccan friends by calling their hand-fastening a marriage. Marriages and similar religious actions are rituals which the government has no business regulating. Keep the legal contracts separate and STOP calling it marriage.
Then there wouldn’t be an issue about gay and lesbian marriage or non-typical living arrangements. With a few exceptions (slavery for one), Americans of the age of majority can get into any contracts they are willing to sign on. You just can’t call it marriage, or make anyone else recognize it as such, because the government has no rights over religious ut you treat everyone’s contracts the same, without prejudice about their religion. THAT is the government’s real role, but see if they EVER give up that power for the sake of Constitutionality. The State is only interested in the aspects of Justice that Increase its power, over people, over money, and over the Church.
Toku Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:07:20 AM
IP: 1cust171.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net
GB:
Actually, Joxter posted twice, so I think you are seventh. :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:03:37 AM
IP: ppp-38.rb5.exit109.com
David G.> You made me eight :p
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:01:27 AM
IP: proxy1-external.elmwd1.la.home.com
Lucky # 7!!!!!
Yippi Ki yay mother^&*^&*(^&*(
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, May 29, 2000 12:00:40 AM
IP: proxy1-external.elmwd1.la.home.com
Top 10. Maybe 6 or so, but I didn't count.
Movie Tip. If you have to choose between Shanghai Noon and MI:2, go see the Jackie Chan flick. Then go see MI:2 later. I enjoyed both of them.
David G.
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:59:03 PM
IP: ip131.fort-worth6.tx.pub-ip.psi.net
Ugh. I'm sick. Sick is bad.
I do, however, appear to be fifth. fifth is good. :)
First, a big thank you for the birthday wishes. And don't worry about my bouts of depression; they don't usually last long. Besides, hanging around here always picks my spirits up. :)
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Todd, you do, of course, realize that you are going to burn in a very hot place for bringing up The Name That Shall Never Be Spoken. I don't think that many people truly appreciate the depths of your depravity. You hide it so well. A true evil genius. ;)
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Hmm, for some reason, the Pax Romana thing sparked a new interest in Latin for me. The use of Latin in Gargoyles always impressed me: it's not the sort of thing you'd expect in a cartoon. There is also a computer game that I remember quite fondly which made use of Latin. This first bit was given as an epitaph for a defeated enemy:
Fatum Iustum Stultorum
The second one is the name of a ship. It's also grammatically incorrect. Extra credit if you can spot the error (but you'd have to be a real Latin freak to see it):
Manus Celer Dei
A very cool name for a captured alien warship, I think. Especially when it's controlled by a megalomaniacal artificial intelligence.
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I've been following the religion discussion with great interest, although I have nothing to add right now. Maybe later. This is not the first time that this subject has come up, and it has usually been handled with great civility and sensitivity. That's why I was concerned by Shadowrider's comment about the CR not being an appropriate place for this discussion. I haven't seen anyone complain about the topic here, so I assume that whatever prompted that statement occurred in private. Shadowrider, if you don't want to continue the discussion then that's fine, but if someone is uncomfortable with the topic, I wish they would let everyone know so that we can all make a decision on how to proceed. Your decision to drop the discussion was so sudden that I must assume that someone pressured you to do so and that's sad if true. So, if anyone *is* offended, please tell us! How else will we know? Thanks.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@exit109.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:53:48 PM
IP: ppp-38.rb5.exit109.com
Top something or other!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:52:50 PM
IP: t2-5.visitus.net
Whad'ya know, FIRST! BWAA HAA HAA! Oh um, excuse me, evil personality coming out...
Joxter
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:51:46 PM
IP: spider-tj034.proxy.aol.com
First!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:51:03 PM
IP: usr214.cqc.com
Top Ten and
First?!
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:50:59 PM
IP: user-37kap10.dialup.mindspring.com
Top ten!
Joxter
Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:50:40 PM
IP: spider-tj034.proxy.aol.com