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Cloning Jesus > huh, interesting, I'd never heard of the books that SJ mentioned! Guess it's just as well Tim and I never got around to a similar collaboration! I read one a while back called "Only Begotten Daughter" or something like that, in which a man who makes a habit of regular sperm donation gets called in because one of his samples has developed into an embryo; they have it in an artificial womb and it grows into a baby girl. Very bizarre book.

Book News > the parade of rejections begins anew; I just sent off 14 mail queries and 2 e-queries to more agents and some publishers. One of the e-mail guys even practices same-day rejection, that was nice. So now I can look forward to several weeks of anxiery, depression, and frustration. Whee!

Jenna > reply should be on the way!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, September 17, 2000 03:12:12 PM
IP: 14-074.009.popsite.net

*enters*

Warpmind>It's hard for me to believe that Bahemut is a 50-year-old or 14-year-old pervert since I've talked to him on the phone and I've known him for over a year. >;D
Mary Flanders
Sunday, September 17, 2000 01:15:27 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Green Baron: <Well, I am a descendant of William the Conqueror, cousin>
Hmm... where is he from? Mine's traced to Constantine (I think) and Henry the 5th.

DPH: <your keyboard is starting to wear out>
HEY! I kept the same keyboard for 10 years! That keyboard lasted through 5 complete hardware changes (I can't say "new" computer. All my systems are in a perpetual upgrade)
If half of the keys didn't just stop working, I would still be using that thing!

Guardian: <He'd just be normal>
True. That was also one of my points. He would just be a guy.
Unless: 1. This was God's plan or 2. He was a man with great physic powers (Outer Limits)

Oh yeah. More proof the Clonejesus.com is fake: It said that Jesus was a virgin birth. Because of Green Baron, I know MARY was the virgin birth.

Gside: <What is there about the harmonics of the skull that horribly distorts what you sound like. I would swear my voice sounds at least half an octave higher than it does in the wav.>
I know that feeling. In my head, my voice is quite a bit higher than it actually is.
It also changes how old you sound. LM says that you sound like you are over 35.

Warpmind: <It's not like there's a substantial amount of people on this earth who wouldn't be left here after the good ones are saved, and you know what happens next, right?>
Yep. All parties are cancled, Ya can't skateboard, and don't even TRY to get a flight out of town!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, September 17, 2000 12:33:20 PM
IP: 01-116.008.popsite.net

*Warpmind enters.*
Hiya.

Fire Storm: Well, this Clone Jesus stuff... controversial, scary and generally the workings of an insane mind. I mean, bring the Second Coming around? For cryin' out loud, who'd really *want* that? It's not like there's a substantial amount of people on this earth who wouldn't be left here after the good ones are saved, and you know what happens next, right? :|

Shadowrider: I was sorry too, if that helps. ;) But really, had the get-together been at the previously suggested hour, I'd been able to attend, I guess. :( Oh, well, fecalia happens...

Winterwolf: I was missed? Good thing I wasn't hit, I'd say. ;)

Mary: Well, he *does* have a point - Bahemut *could* be some 50-year-old pervert... then again, he could be a 14-year-old hormone-ridden pervert, as well... Internet dating is truly unstable territory... But, still, your news are good. :)

Jackal: So according to the bible, a virgin birth originally meant a bastard babe? Hmmm... I sense religious havoc if this becomes known to the public... better keep your mouth shut about this. ;)

Gside: You misunderstand - the machine is rather substantial in itself - moving it is one thing; getting the extension cords is simple. It's the whole goddamn process of dismantling the computer table it's embedded into that makes it not worth the effort... As for Jerry Ryan, you say Seven of Nine? Hmmm... name rings a bell... Voyager? DS9? (I only know of the titles - only show that's aired here is TNG; not even the original series has been shown in this country.) Where the horrible movie is concerned... visualizations wouldn't have worked - the soundtrack was too disturbing. :(

Jaden: You're shooting down things that fly? Such fun... ;) As for you missing out on your sister's wedding... well, there's the easy way to do it, and then there's the military way. ;)

Well, that's it - gotta scoot.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, September 17, 2000 09:22:35 AM
IP: mp-217-209-99.daxnet.no

Ok lets get this going-
For the past six months I've been doing the training portion of my time in the Army (basic and learning my specific job) and I can say that so far I am not interested in staying after my 3 years is up. Basic training was more annoying than hard, they try to play mind games with you and if you're smart enough to figure them out then you just have to deal with a headache for about nine weeks. I've been in for only six months and so far I've already witnessed some of the more negative aspects of humanity. For example- racial, gender, sexual and religious prejudices; fighting; people getting caught with drugs; suicide attempts; and the list goes on. I also almost missed my twin sisters wedding because the Army had to make it into a bigger problem than it really was. I guess the Army just doesn't do "simple".
Want to hear something else? My job (MOS) is a heck of a lot different than what I thought it was when I picked it. Turns out that I'm in Air defense...I'M SHOOTING DOWN THINGS THAT FLY!!!!!! You could have knocked me over with a feather when I found that out.

Well I'll finish this tomorrow. I have to get some sleep before church in the morning.

Good sleep!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Sunday, September 17, 2000 02:27:16 AM
IP: cache2.avtel.net

What is there about the harmonics of the skull that horribly distorts what you sound like. I would swear my voice sounds at least half an octave higher than it does in the wav.

Doug> <<it's in keeping with the context of the times in which the story was written>>: And it was also a landmark (if I remember correctly) for literary use of the vernacular, another reason why it should be left in. And of course, it helps us remember the mistakes of the past.
<<mega-math abilities which she uses to calculate all the various angles and trajectories in split seconds before she shoots>>: Ow. Just contemplating the equations for that hurts. I advise you never to play her in pool either. Imagine what she could do with the time to think it through.

Warpmind> <<makes sense, when the connected machine is right outside their bedroom door>>: You could always invest in extention cords.
<<who's Jerry Ryan>>: Seven of nine.
<<As for suggestions to what they could have done...>>: All very good, but instead of spending the rest of the time looking at the screen, you should have closed your eyes, visualized your suggestions, and smiled.

Mrs. Morgan> <<I broke the tradition, no new Amazon Women stories>>: But you have a perfect opportunity, what with a world tour through time.

DPH> <<isotone (spelling?)>>: Acetone. C3H6O. Great stuff. Mineral spirits on steroids.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, September 17, 2000 02:04:18 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Jesus- I dig it! I like the idea..., but then I guess I would... Seriously though, who's to say god isn't using ppl to "cause" the second coming? I mean, you know how god is, he's never really worked beyond the laws of science if you really think about it and study it. But a second Jesus would mean we can sin twice as much!! hehehe :o)

A clone birth would be a TRUE "virgin" birth. (this is gonna piss a lot of you off), but you gotta remember, the bible most everyone's familiar with is King James', or a translation off of James'..., meaning, things get lost in the translation. I've studied most this crap for half my life, and the original meaning of a virgin birth in the bible is "a young woman bearing a child". It doesn't mean, "virgin- no sex". It means, "virgin- young, unmarried woman". So, with a new Jesus, we'd have a truly "pure" one, or for the Jews, I think it is, you'd have ur first real Jesus...., cool huh?!?!!!
jackal
Sunday, September 17, 2000 01:41:29 AM
IP: ac8c6fc8.ipt.aol.com

*enters*

At last!!! My sister has gone back to college!!! WHOOHOO!!!! *does a victory dance* It was getting to be really irritating having her in the house. Especially when every once in a while when her BF visited they would sometimes make fun of me about Bahemut. "Why don't you date REAL guys? For all you know he might be some 50-year-old pervert!", "He's not even real! He's just some guy on the computer!" -Chris (my sister's BF).

>.<

@sshole. Well Chris all I have to say is this: *sticks out tounge* THBTPBTPBTPBTP!!!!!!!!! >:D

Talk to you guys later!

*gone*
Mary Flanders
Saturday, September 16, 2000 11:40:17 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

I said this over at Pistoff's message board, and I'll repeat it here: I'm almost 100 percent positive that the whole "Clone Jesus" site is meant as a tribute to the Christ Clone Trilogy written by James BeauSeigneur. In that trilogy, scientists gather DNA from religious artifacts, most notable the Shroud of Turin, and use it to clone Jesus, with not so pleasant results. Sound a little bit like the CloneJesus.com site? I think that this is probably either a tribute to that trilogy of books, or someone got the idea from the books and thought it'd make a good joke. After all, the idea of cloning the Son of God is rather ludicrous.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:53:23 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Look I don't want to sound like a religious fanatic here, but about that clone Jesus thing? Even if you could scrape together enough DNA you would only get the human Jesus. Since Jesus is both God and human the clone wouldm't have any special powers. He'd just be normal.
Guardian - [mikesurf16@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:41:49 PM
IP: c5800-10-bis.p507.btigate.com

**Winterwolf wanders in**

Hi! Not much happening with me today. I'll be going out with friends in a little while.

Aaron> <handshake with Greg> Hmm... That sounds like an interesting sight. Maybe next time you'll get it if you are a little faster! I'll distract him if you think it'll help! ;)

DPH> <RP> I'll keep it under my hat or should I say bracers. <waiting> I planned on continuing today :D

Warpmind> <computer time usage> I understand. You were missed! :)

Doug and Kit> It's good to hear Gus got what he deserved. I hope things continue to look up for the two of you! ^_^

Happy Birthday to everyone that's had on recently!

Shadowrider> Cool! Happy to know you had a good time at your party! ^_^ <email> Thanks! I received your email! Now that I have your address I'll keep in touch!

Niamhgold> Hey you! Having a great weekend? I'll be sending you some email a little later so I'll knock on wood that your inbox isn't overflowing! ^_^

******WARNING - BFTS RP******

Frost stops attacking. The Speed Stars take advantage and rush him. In less than a minute he has flames shooting at him from multiple directions. All the flames stop a few feet short by the ice shield. Frost calls down a flurry of ice cubes. Each cube is twice the size of his largest attacker. Multiple cubes smash into each Speed Star causing them to be thrown forcibly into the ground. He continues this and looks over to Plastique wanting to be sure she is okay.

Winterwolf manages to restore his invisibility and move out of the way before he could be severely hurt by the fire. Checking himself he notes his right arm is badly burnt and the blade sliced his stomach. To buy him time he concentrates on blinding all the Speed Stars wearing suits that he can see.

The Speed Stars on the north side of DPH's house are startled when everything goes black. It is impossible to see or communicate! They stumble around disoriented. The other gang members pepper the area with gunfire knowing the suits will stop any stray shots.

******WARNING - BFTS RP******

Okay time for me to head out! Bye!

**Winterwolf wanders out**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Saturday, September 16, 2000 07:47:52 PM
IP: 206.15.120.141

ED - Thanks for your comments on "My Angel Brianna". While I honestly didn't make any contributions to the story (beyond some proofreading of it for technical errors - i.e., misspelled words, grammatical errors, punctuation errors, etc.), I do think quite highly of it - and I also found myself thinking of it in terms of "Deadly Force" - almost of it doing for spousal abuse what "Deadly Force" did for responsibility with guns.

As for Arthur's absence - don't worry; all the remaining episodes of "Pendragon" for this season will have him on stage in them. I can reveal that much safely.

CLONING JESUS - One problem that I have with this one (alongside the problems that others have mentioned) is that there is something presumptuous about it. These people apparently want to clone Jesus in the hope that this will serve as the Second Coming. My own thought on this is: isn't it up to God to decide when the Second Coming is to take place? He certainly must know better than we humans when the right time for that is.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, September 16, 2000 06:55:51 PM
IP: 216.87.46.133.dialup-stl.primary.net

**RP RELATED**
Winterwolf, I am waiting on you before doing any more of the Speed Star battle.
**END RP RELATED**

**WORK RELATED**
I could shoot the person on 3rd shift who does my job for no t using the brain: glue is SUPPOSED to HARDEN. Therefore, if something shoots out glue, you need to let to sit in isotone (spelling?) to prevent the damn glue from hardening. I had to get maintenance to help me with a problem that I inherited from 3rd shift.
**END WORK RELATED**

I forgot to add a few more signs that you need to buy a new PC.
7) your keyboard is starting to wear out.
8) you have to hold the mouse/trackball button longer for your computer to recognize the click/right click.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, September 16, 2000 06:20:30 PM
IP: max1-68.cwy.cei.net

Spike - good to see ya again.

coyote- I intend on reading my angel tonight- I have been crazy,(my car got impounded) but given the spoilers- I canna wait.

Christine- I sent you an em. Please respond.
jenna
Saturday, September 16, 2000 05:33:08 PM
IP: 1cust217.tnt4.houston.tx.da.uu.net

Greetings...

Whoa, I'm still a bit messed up after the party yesterday...so I beg pardon for any mistytping and/or senseless things I'll write...

Todd Jensen:> Thank you for the infos about the book. I think you are right, seems there are resemblances with "Gargoyles", in more than a sense.

Spike:> Thank to you too for the books' titles. I think I'll try to see if I can find some of them here...

Warpmind:> I was sorry that you couldn't attend the party...we had a lot of fun, and I'm sure you'd enjoyed it as well. Unluckily, I couldn't really anticipate it...I eventually arrived late...
A good phrase...and very true, indeed. I'll keep it in my mind...

Guandalug:> All right, and you're welcome. :)

Green Baron:> Well, this time you really hit the sign! Indeed, your point is excellent...and, by the way, a governative interference in arts could (and maybe should) generate the suspect of a kind of conditioning of the artistic expression (think to Soviet Union, or to Nazist Germany, where the arts, like everything else, were controlled by the State)...but, on the other side, cinema is different from any other art because of it requires a lot of quite expensive technical means, so maybe governative funds can be justified for movie making...

Doug:> I was sorry you and Kit couldn't attend the party, but I understand. I thank you for your words...you and Kit were good friends for me as well. Be sure, I'll return...and probably with some tales to tell. :)
Also, glad to know Gus had what he deserved. What irritates me is that he was stupid: I mean, all this hassle because of he managed to lose his job (for his own failures) and Kit replaced him...it makes no sense. <shakes head> Comes in my mind something I read...
Q.:"How do you feel at the thought that this world is horrible, and we're supposed to change it?"
R.:"I feel like a beautician before Mathusalem..."

***COMMENTS***

I saw the first two eps of the animated series of "Diabolik". Pathetic, is the word. They completely failed in understanding the character. In the comics, Diabolik is basically a criminal, and uses the methods of criminals. Although his opponents are usually bad guys, the line dividing Diabolik from them is very thin...and Eva Kant is cold and merciless, she could kill without an hesitation or a second thought. Instead, in the series, they changed them into a kind of "Batman and Robin"...with hi-tech weapons and equipments that they never used in the comics (Diabolik usually carries a Colt and a knife, Eva a poisoned spike and some launching blades). I really hope no one from the comics' staff had a part in that...

***END COMMENT***

Later probably.
Shadowrider - [sghadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, September 16, 2000 03:47:07 PM
IP: h213-20-57.mi2.albacom.net

Christine: I checked though that website (CloneJesus.com)
Personally, I think this is a very bad idea.
From a scientific viewpoint, it is a mistake for a few reasons.
1. It is possible that his DNA could be contaminated with the DNA of a virus or bacteria and create a plague (Ok... That COULD be a biblical thing... I'll talk about that below)

2. People will expect him to act exactly as Jesus would. But he (probally) won't. If Jesus was just a man, his personality was a creation of his enviroment. If not...

Theological reasons.
I am not religious. But even *I* can see the religious consequences of this!
1. (from Scientific Reasons 1) The DNA virus could bring about a plague that could be the end of humanity. Maybe that is the idea. Who knows!

2. Won't this piss God off? I mean, Jesus is the SON of God. If we clone Jesus, wouldn't that be the extreme result of us playing God? Not only are we creating our own creatures, we made a COPY OF GOD'S GREATEST CREATION!

Other reasons:

1. 2000 years without a bite to eat. I would be just a little cranky! :)

2. They did an Outer Limits episode about this. 'Nuff said!

But the good news is that it looks like someone is just out to make alot of money.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, September 16, 2000 02:23:27 PM
IP: 08-119.008.popsite.net

PENDRAGON: "MY ANGEL, BRIANNA"

I won’t post spoilers, since I’m so late in posting that I’m sure everybody’s said everything already and I’ve kind of missed the boat. Suffice to say that this was a gorgeous episode, and in terms of sensitive treatment of important moral issues, stands alongside ‘DEADLY FORCE’. Maybe Henry could do with some character-work in the future though. The only two things that I would worry about are Jane becoming too central to the London-based plots and the London-based plots becoming too central to ‘Pendragon’. The title of the series suggests that Arthur should be in the spotlight more than, as the pattern seems to be, half the time. Maybe a two or three to one split would seem better. Nonetheless, it was a stunning episode.
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Saturday, September 16, 2000 01:56:04 PM
IP: webcacheh06a.cache.pol.co.uk

ANNOUNCEMENT -- Greg's birthday is coming up on the 28th! Once again, Noel has designed a cool card and Tim and I put it up with a guest book, so please please please come to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/greg_bday_00.html (or click) to send your birthday wishes!

And speaking of birthdays, Happy Birthday Crzy! But drat, I broke the tradition, no new Amazon Women stories! Forgive? ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, September 16, 2000 01:49:08 PM
IP: 15-152.009.popsite.net

Doug>> A story concerning what's up with the Caledonian Clan I hope is also on the way

You could that.... in two weeks, a group of Londoners go "On Holiday." Bring your backpacks and watch out for poison ivy!
Spike
Saturday, September 16, 2000 09:52:17 AM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-6.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

*appears in the room in a flash of light*

Green Baron> *laughs* Do tell... I remember you as well :)

Shadowrider> Thanks for the welcome. And don't worry - I'm 'living' here for quite some time now - lurking of course.
Regarding the Racing Fans - pkay, thanks for the explanation. No offense taken - and THAT invasion I can imagine..... Yeah, those fans really ARE a problem.... traffic jam is guaranteed. :) And no, I don't want to talk about that accident in here as well....

Gathering news> WOW! Great list. I'll do my very best to come to LA ..... if possible.

Doug> Thanx for the welcome. I'll try and post on a regular base, though I can't promise anything :)

Okay, laters *waves and steps through a portal in the fabric of time and space*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Saturday, September 16, 2000 07:06:37 AM
IP: dial-142192.hrz.uni-dortmund.de

*Warpmind enters, ogling the Gathering guest list.*
Oh, well. I'm not bothering to register before I know I can afford the trip...

Green Baron: I know *why* Huck Finn was banned - I just can't accurately remember *when* it was banned.

Winterwolf: My parents are kinda cranky if I try to use the machine past midnight... makes sense, when the connected machine is right outside their bedroom door, no? :|

Aaron: *Chuckles at the vision of the talk.* Well, I guess there's some amount of tension between Marina Sirtis and Jerry Ryan, then... by the way, who's Jerry Ryan? :| (Name a show or movie she's appeared in; that'll probably do.)

Shinigami: <Protecting the Earth from the worst fics in the universe.> I see... do you also have matching black suits? ;)

Gside: Well, there *was* one single redeeming moment in the movie... nude girls. Then, if you include the age factor (both girls were, what, 11?), the movie goes *even* further down into the porcelain... :( As for suggestions to what they could have done... there were plenty of those, including, but not limited to, killing spree with meat cleavers, bomb scare, nuclear test site, mad gunman, guest appearance by Schwarzenegger... I could go on for a long time. *Sigh* It's the kind of movie you wouldn't wish for your worst enemy to see...

Doug: Sounds like Shauna's capable of doing with an arrow an amount of damage equivalient to what common folks like us might need a shotgun to do... :| And I agree; meeting *would* probably have been interesting... though, maybe less tense an environment would be preferrable...

Shadowrider: Sorry I missed the get-together, but good luck, and remember: A Good Warrior knows when to fight. A Great Warrior knows when NOT to fight.

Later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, September 16, 2000 06:16:45 AM
IP: mp-217-207-244.daxnet.no

Jaden, Korea?!?! YaY!!! ::sees keyboard lacks Korean letters:: Umm..., I'll try to do it the english way then..., ahu nyoung hae yo!!! Salanghaeyo!!! Ghamsah hamneda!!

Ruffly that means, Hello, I love you, and thank you. ::shrugs::
I dig Koreans. Try sum of thier food! I don't remember what it's called, but it's chicken hearts and livers and shyt! It's the bomb!! And SPIIIICCCYY!! I would luv to see Korea one day, but I wanna be comfortable with speaking the language before I even seriously think about that. And that will be a while, all I know is, "hello, thank you, i love you, f**k you, how much is this, get in there, why, what, (the equalivent to baby as in ur lover), daddy, mother, brother, sister, i'm a lesbian, i'm retarded."

Why thank you, Doug!

bye 4 now
jackal
Saturday, September 16, 2000 03:22:32 AM
IP: aca227bb.ipt.aol.com

**RP HERE**

"Hahahaha," Dao the evil genie laughs as he gets ready to throw lightning at Gubio, Mist, and Terrell, whose shots are bouncing off him ineffectually. "You will die, mortals! Nothing will save you. Nothing!" "Nothing except me," a voice growls behind the genie and he turns to see a little girl standing in the tunnel with an angered look on her face. "Lloky, no!" Gubio shouts. "Get back." As the genie gasps in recognition, Lloky shakes her head and then launches a fireball at Dao, hitting him dead on and causing him to scream in agony as he is engulfed by its burst. "They'll cause a cave-in!" Terrell shouts at Gubio. "We have to stop them!" Mist meows in agreement. Gubio is about to try yelling at Lloky again when Erin suddenly sits up gasping as Annabelle pours another healing potion down her throat. As Gubio, Mist, and Terrell turn relieved faces towards her, she smiles and quickly takes in the situation. "The lamp!" Erin shouts. "Get it!" Gubio nods in instant understanding and grabs Dao's lamp from Yevi's dead fingers just as the genie knocks Lloky down with a lightning burst. "Genie!" Gubio shouts, holding the lamp up. "I get three wishes now, right?" Dao turns, sees what he holds, and groans angrily. "Yes, mortal, you do," he lowers his hands with a grunt. "Don't wish for his freedom whatever you do," Terrell advises Gubio, who nods. "He'll kill us all." Gubio nods, looking at Erin. "You alright?" She smiles. "Fine. Don't worry about me, I've had worse." Grunting in pain and using her rifle as a crutch, she stands up and looks around. Instantly she spots the nuclear-marked detonator device Yevi took out along with the lamp. "Gubio!" Gubio turns, sees what she sees, and whistles. "So there is a bomb." "Maybe this genie can tell us where it is and disarm it for us," Annabelle says. Gubio nods, and looks at Dao. "She just said my first wish." "I will comply," Dao sighs, then frowns in Lloky's direction. "Do I still get to blast him?" she asks. "He's helping us now," Erin snaps. "Maybe later. For now, I want you to go check on my family. I have a very bad feeling they're in danger. Abdullah has more minions than Yevi, and he could have sent some after the people I love. You will protect them as you would me, Lloky?" The little dragon nods. "Sure. I'll check on them posthaste." She vanishes. Gubio nods and then looks at the genie. "Okay, Dao. Take us to the bomb." "Yes, master," Dao fumes, and teleports the party in a flare of black light.

As the shadows swirl away, Kovu and Tiara step out into the light wearing grimaces. "Where'd they go?" one of their caiveh thugs asks, stepping out behind the pair. "We'll never find them now. We…" "Shut up," Tiara barks, and he does. She holds up a small blinking remote. "You forget that Terrell wears a homing device so he can always be located if we need him. All we have to do is follow its signal." She looks at the remote for a moment, then nods. "They're in the mines." "Then that's where we go," says Kovu. "We keep them under surveillance until the human man uses his three wishes," he tells the seven remaining troops. "I don't want that genie turned against us. When we kill them, I want the lamp and the genie's power for myself." The thugs nod in understanding, some looking jealous. They then head on down the tunnel, Kovu and Tiara in the lead. In the city of Ankara above them, a large truck driven by a hideous flesh golem stops in front of Fasil's apartment complex. The evil sorcerer Jazeem gets out, nods at his driver, then walks up to the front door with a sinister grin on his face and a finger ready to press the bell as the screen goes blank.

**END FIRST BIT OF THIS POST'S RP**

Hi everyone. Things going alright with all of you? I hope so. All is fine here, work's still keeping me and Kit busy as heck. <shakes head> Somehow, though, we found time to get down to the court house yesterday and watch Gus Leonard and his accomplice get what they deserved. The judge had the case fast-tracked, and Gus had apparently been smart enough to already have worked out a plea bargain, so there was no need for a big long trial. <sigh of relief> The bad guys each pled guilty to the charges, and were sentenced to fifteen years in prison apiece. Minimum of five with parole. Neither Gus nor his accomplice said much during the hearing, though both shot me and Kit frequent glares from the table near us where they sat with their attorney. It was a little surprising Gus at least didn't lash out at us, but we found out later that his first night in jail he'd been unruly as heck once he woke up from Jammer knocking him out, and it took several cops to subdue him. They taught him a lesson, and as a result he was more docile at the trial. The only worrisome thing he did do during the whole deal was turn to Kit as they led him away at the end, shout that she was all sorts of bad things, and swear he would take revenge when he got out of prison. She just shook her head and let the bailiffs drag him off, as did I. Jammer, Tricia, Shap, and Shauna, who were there with us, did the same. <sighs> In essence, this whole business with him is over now. We hope it is over permanently, but you never know. :( Thanks to all who have given their thoughts, words, encouragement, advice, and prayers, they helped us get through it. May we never have to go through anything like it again.

<smiles> On a lighter note, things are looking up somewhat in my life now. We're experiencing more hassles at my job, another officer quit on us or so it seems, a second who we thought had disappeared off the face of the earth has returned saying he was sick the entire time (yeah right, but we need him, so he's back), and a third, who I thought was a good man, was caught sleeping on the job by the store manager of his post recently. He denies that he was sleeping, so it's an edgy issue. My boss is working it out. <sighs> I continue to pray about it, and do my job as best I can, like a complete first-class professional, when I'm working. I hope that soon all will be resolved. School is also going okay, the time of the first tests is not far off. :( Kit and I also saw a good movie recently- Nurse Betty. She reviewed it in her last post, I won't add to that review except to say that I agree with it 100% and hope you will all go see the film soon. It's definitely worth the time and money, especially to see the fantastic team-up of Morgan Freeman and Chris Rock. <smiles> On to replies.

Shadowrider: Congrats on surviving that horrible traffic, glad that it's over now. Your going-away party is tonight, right? Kit and I will try our best to attend, if for some reason (probably work) we can't attend we want you to know that you have been a good friend to us and we will miss you greatly as a result. Hope your time with the military profits you well, and that it passes quickly. We look forward to you getting back. :)

Mandi: Glad that the stalker who was after your friends has vanished, that's quite a relief. I wish them and you good luck now in settling the problems he caused whose consequences may still remain. Please keep us up to date on it all as it develops, we'll be listening and praying. :) Thanks for your encouragement on the whole Gus affair, we too are glad Shauna (this is the correct spelling of her name- not Shawna. Just correcting you. Her full name is Shauntara Fatima Lockdale. Yes, she's black.) was able to help solve it all. :)

Katara: Good that the mugging didn't cause you any psychological damage, that's always the hardest kind to deal with. Good that you've pretty much gotten past it now, too, and have dealt with the consequences. Kit and I will continue to pray that no more arise. Thank you for your prayers for us.

Jaden: Welcome back, it's good to see you again. I can't tell you how much it is. :) Hope your time away went well and taught you many good lessons, and that you will tell us about it soon. Please tell us about Korea too, and how come you're headed there. Hope you're excited, I've never been to Korea IRL, but I hear it's a fascinating place. It is in videogames like Nuclear Strike anyway. <shrugs> Maybe the reality won't measure up, you better tell us. :) For now, it's just good to once more see a friend. :)

Christine: You're better than many of the so-called real authors out there, believe you me. :) Finished Dark of the Elvenwood recently, will send you comments by e-mail soon when I get the chance. Kit's still working on the book herself, she'll be done sooner now that she doesn't have me and Stephanie for competition. Thanks for the great entertainment that the book was, more specific comments will soon be in your box. :)

Stephen: Thanks for explaining cockpit depressurization to me, I should have done better research for that post bit. Wish I'd had the time. Oh well. Thanks also to Gside for pointing the inconsistency out. I will be watchful for more possible ones from now on. Speaking of which…

Green Baron: $ Check the post bit, you'll find we have valid reason to be bringing Rosie back. Yeah, we know she's dead, but Kit and I happen to think she needs killing again, permanently. Her show's still on the air, after all. :( Don't worry, you can choose her method of permanent death if you want. You can even have Ann Coulter do her in again, just make sure she aims for the eyes. And please, don't get mad at us about this. Kit and I didn't complain when you brought back Pastor John even though we'd finished him off earlier, did we? <sighs> Also, FYI, Kit and I happen to like most of Susan Sarandon's work. So we're not killing her. Sorry to disappoint. That is all. $

SOROW: Hope you got in that talent show, sorry Kit and I weren't able to say anything before now. She must have forgotten in her last post. :( Good luck to you in the actual competition, too, when it comes. And also in the season's first football game.

**SPOILERS**
My Angel Brianna: Really enjoyed this story. Lots of startling developments in it, especially with Molly and Isfet. Surprising developments with Jane and her husband too. I must say I was not expecting them to have an abusive relationship. The surprise was a nice one in this case, as the story was very well-written and it was great to see all the characters helping Jane in various ways. Great dialogue and emotion all around. The comic bits with Leo and Griff were also nice to read, the pictures were excellently colored and drawn, and I really liked the development on Brianna and Jane. Hope we will get many more stories of this quality in the near future. A story concerning what's up with the Caledonian Clan I hope is also on the way. Keep up the good work, TGS Staff. **SPOILERS END**

Emmabu: Congrats on getting into the choir group and on making the new friend you did too. Shame what you had to go through to get her to see you as the brave, smart, and noble guy you are, but hey, at least you were able to rise to the challenge and act appropriately IMO. I'm glad you weren't hurt too badly in the encounter, and you kept anyone else from being so too. Hope you and your friends are able to make peace in the aftermath and such a thing never happens again. Good luck with your possible new relationship too, so far it sounds great and I hope that it continues to go well. :) Remember to get the fair lady's favor next time you go into battle. <grin> I guarantee it will make you feel a lot more confident. Looking forward to your story outline when you can send it, thanks again for your encouragement on the matters of Gus and Holder, and your excellent comments on NotS 2.

Lexy: Awesome song, thanks for sharing it with us. Truly a masterpiece IMO. If you wrote that yourself, I give you a definite thumbs-up. :) May it get the result from Kaioto for which you are hopeful.

Welcome to Whitefang, Guandalug, Nadia, and all our various other newcomers! Hope all of you will enjoy this place and stay for quite a while with us. :)

SJ: Congrats on daring to read the first Harry Potter book, Kit and I had a feeling you'd enjoy it. :) Don't worry, they only get better from there on. Good rant on censorship, I totally agree with every word in it. Censorship is something that makes my blood boil and fume too, I continue to fervently wish and pray that someday in the near future the lazy jerks of the world will learn to live without it, but until that day comes…<sigh> Oh well, at least Kit and I won't need it with our kids. We're gonna do our best to be responsible and teaching, as parents should. :) Thanks also to Jenna, Entity, and Taleweaver for their excellent bits about this unfortunate problem we have to live with. <sigh>

Robby: <Banned Books> Anyone who tries to ban a work of literature needs to have their head examined IMO. Read the Constitution too. <sighs> Especially when it's classics like some of the books on that list are. Huck Finn IMO is definitely a classic for its emotional interior monologues, dialogue, plot, and great characters who actually get developed. We need more books like it these days. Not having the n word in there would be good, but hey, it's in keeping with the context of the times in which the story was written, so I have no problem. Bridge to Terebithia is another classic IMO, it has a great romance and fantasy story inside its pages that is more like reality than I can believe. Very well-written with cool characters too. If it didn't have such a tragic ending…<sighs> I like Of Mice and Men too, even though it also ends tragically. Haven't read the rest of the Top Ten books, maybe someday I will and then give comments. <shrugs> We shall see. I also definitely agree with your points about the Bible. Any calling-themselves-Christian bigot out there tries to tell me I shouldn't read certain books because of the violence and sex inside, I know what I'm going to throw back in their face. <maniacal evil laugh>

Warpmind: I too wish you could have been there to see what went down with Gus, we would have enjoyed meeting you. :) Shauna's archery skills are indeed amazing, she makes William Tell and Robin Hood look like amateurs on the range. They could split apples and wood arrow shafts, I've seen her split clay pigeons, metal shafts, and hardcover books. <grins> You know the scene in the Disney Robin Hood movie where he uses one arrow to knock another off course and direct it downwards to hit the bullseye and split a second down the middle? Shauna can do that too, though I've only seen it once. She puts her skill down to a hell of a lot of practice, deep patience, blind luck, and mega-math abilities which she uses to calculate all the various angles and trajectories in split seconds before she shoots (the latter she's also using in her chosen career- CPA). <shakes head> Truly wondrous results from all this. Especially when used against jerks like Gus and his buddy, who by the way is on crutches right now thanks to his being shot in the leg (right through the right knee to be exact) by Shauna the night we caught him. And boy, did he ever deserve it. :)

Todd: Good bit about Halloween. The stores here are already selling costumes and candy too. <smiles> Good to see holiday spirits, I think, even if it is a bit early. This year, I'll be dressing up as a vampire security guard while on my job (I'll have fangs, golden eye contacts, black gloves, and my uniform), and as Wesley to Kit's Faith on the night itself when we go out to walk the local club district. Yes, I will be showing signs of appropriate beatings, and she will look appropriately insane, all as if we just walked off the set of Angel. <grins>

Eminem: I too am no fan of the boy's (it would be disrespectful and untrue to call him a man) work. I especially don't like the way he refers to his wife in some of those songs, thank the Good Lord she's divorcing him. May she take all his hard-earned cash with her, or at least most of it. In the meantime, I will ignore his popularity, and flip the station while groaning whenever one of his profane, violent, and just plain awful cacophonies comes on. And if the real Slim Shady ever stands up in my gun-sights, hehehehh…..:) jk.

Jackal: Good to see you back in here, and in top form as usual with your ranting. :)

Shogun: Good to see you in here again too, it's been a while. Thanks for the nicely put and very true words about parents, kids, and responsibility. Kit and I will definitely be doing our best to avoid the mistake those sorts of parents make. :)

We say that now, of course things may not turn out that way later. But we keep our fingers crossed that they will. :) That's about all for tonight, Kit and I think we may have already missed Shadowrider's party (<sigh>), so we're going to hit the sack now. Hope the words above will register with everyone and make them smile or at least nod in understanding. Also hope that all your lives go well till the next time I post in here, and beyond. Later!

**RESUME RP- RAVENS' SAGA**

The screen comes back on, displaying Asil's prison in the Time-Warner Building. As alarms go off and sprinklers short out the computers thanks to the last gambit of the Heaven's Gate cult, the power suddenly goes out. Gasping in surprise, Asil looks around, wondering what new torture has befallen her this time. Then suddenly there is a click and her cell door slides open. She turns, ready to attack whatever lackey Turner has sent to fetch her, but stops in surprise, seeing a tall and full-bodied man in a black suit who seems to have two small white heads. "Greetings Asil," Brain says. "We've been told that is your name. Pinky and I are here to rescue you." "It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance," Pinky adds with an exaggerated smile. "Narf!" "Did Thailog send you?" Asil asks with a frown. "Actually, it was Admiral Nipon. We helped him and the AI Guod…" "Guod is dead," Asil cuts in, grimacing. "He seemed fine when we helped him break into Ted Turner's computers!" Pinky counters. "Zort!" "Alive or dead, it does not matter," says Brain. "We found out you were here, and they said you were their friend, so we came to rescue you. Here we are." "Fine," Asil replies, shaking her head at them. "Let's get out of here, hopefully I can kill that Ted Turner on my way out. If not, I'll come back later. You got a weapon for me, or am I going to have to use my claws on any scum we meet?" Brain frowns and Pinky's eyes widen as they take in her insane expression. Brain then sighs and manipulates his suit's arm to hand Asil an enormous BFG. She smiles and takes it, then walks out into the hall.

The display changes to the Onslaught's trailer, which just about all the Ravens are inside now. It is continuing to head northeast toward Minneapolis, currently passing through fields of Kansas wheat. "You think Thailog sent that bomber after us?" Doug is asking Kit as they work to repair the damage her motorcycle took in its spill. She nods. "I'm sure of it. We're lucky we didn't suffer any casualties, that encounter was tough." "Yeah," Stephanie agrees. "Why couldn't they have just come down to the ground, made it fair?" "It's Thailog," Keith says. "He doesn't fight that way." "Yeah," Kit nods. "Wish we knew where his base was, so we could get him." "What'll we do after we get him?" Doug asks, frowning. "And after we get the demons we're also fighting, solve all the world's problems, and so on? Have we considered that?" "Not really," Kit sighs. "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it, I guess. We can wait. Hand me that wrench?" Doug nods and complies. Near them, Orion is examining Anthony and shaking his head. "This is surprising. When that bomb nearly hit the truck and knocked it over, you fell down thanks to the shockwave. You should have a concussion or worse, and yet there's nary a mark." "What can I say?" Anthony shrugs. "I'm resilient. Thanks for the offer of healing just the same." "No problem," Orion chuckles, putting away his medicine. "As a cleric, it's my duty to provide." Anthony nods, then frowns. "What?" Orion asks him. "What is it?" "Around your neck, there," Anthony points. "Next to the crucifix. Isn't that a Wiccan good luck charm?" "It is," Orion nods, smiling as he guesses the source of his companion's confusion. "It was a gift from a good friend, a very long time ago. I can tell you the story of me and her, if you like." "Gotta pass the time somehow," Anthony shrugs. Orion grins, takes out a picture of the lovely black-haired beauty Tanith Rodgers from his wallet and shows it to Anthony, then begins once again telling a friend the story of the Wiccan priestess he knew in college and their ill-fated love. As he talks, the camera zooms in on the picture of Tanith and the screen's image dissolves to another scene. This display is of a motel room full of demons in Minneapolis. In the center of it is a smiling red-skinned female hell-fiend who in form and full-bodied figure resembles Purgatory from the Lady Death comics. Her heart-shaped face, short dark hair, and brilliant green eyes look just like Tanith's. And she has just sworn to the other demons present that she will kill Orion herself, if necessary with her bare hands.

**WHY WILL BE REVEALED AT A LATER DATE. CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR SOME OF THE BACKSTORY ON THIS LATEST DEVELOPMENT. FOR NOW END RP**
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, September 16, 2000 02:36:33 AM
IP: pool-63.52.168.145.dlls.grid.net

Well if you ever wanted to know how to pronounce my tagline and its fellow toasts, see my directory. Lady Mystic, and anyone else who might know, tell me if I'm right (the source for all this is a great aunt who stopped speaking the language 60 years ago and loves her very dry martinis), and how to spell the other two with roman letters.

Gunjack> <<punches a Second Trombone>>: Just please stay away from the sax section.
<<You forgot Liberi Fatali. And The Landing. And anything by Hans Zimmer>>: Thank you for the suggestions. My oversight has been corrected (but still need to look again for a good version of the Landing, and why does the Pops FFVII always have a glitch?).
<<What makes it turnabout?>>: Someone was drawing a link to Watergate, which was by the Republicans. Now it apppears that Democrats are doing naughty things.
<<It's in the bag. Thanks again>>: Not a problem. I have no compunctions about reposting anything on CR.pls , but not too many at once and hopefully rotated quickly. Thank you for your quick responce.

Warpmind> <<the movie's so B A D it can't even be MISTed>>: Couldn't you just start spouting obsceneties at the screen, or even come up with interesting things they could have done.

Calíope> <<wait, do I really want to know>>: No. No you don't.

Green Baron> <<How does Geraldo pay part of your dad's salary>>: My father teaches at a private school in a very rich town (which happens to be across the street of Bruce Springsteen's Jersey residence). Some famous parents are Bruce, Jon Bon Jovi, Geraldo, and Penske (the rental guy).
<<ever sine LBJ's "Great Society">>: Which reminds me. A third year, 18 year old Rutgers student that I know was on WWtbaMillionaire. I'm amazed he was civil with Regis. He spent at least a good solid five minutes disparaging my mother. He is quite the psycho. (There was a question about the Great Society)

DPH> <<Signs you need to buy a new PC>>: 6) You can't run anything else with your mp3 player without it skipping.
<<Would the fumes from those two things cause me to fail a drug test>>: Depends on how the drug test works. You'd have to know whether it actually gets absorbed in the lungs, how it would get out, if it was changed, and what the test looks for (pH? reaction with a catalyst?).
<<would being around the glue so much lower my sanity?>>: Probably. You're not getting as much oxygen as everyone else, so your brain cells are probably dying off.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, September 16, 2000 02:24:47 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Hi everyone! Well I'm back home for about 20 days before I head out to Korea (oh my God!) and I plan to stop by every night. Tonight is going to be short however since most of today has been the airport-airplane shuffle. In other words: I'm tired. Tomorrow I'll start filling you guys in on my life in the Army. Thanks for welcoming me back again.

Green Baron-You're joining? Have you filled out your contract? Picked a job? Do you know about the Enlistment Bonus? E-mail me if you have questions, there is a lot you should know when you are entering the Army and believe me they don't tell you.

Good night!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Saturday, September 16, 2000 02:09:46 AM
IP: cache2.avtel.net

Aaron, everything's great! Thanks for askin! I've just been busy, learning and training..., hehehe :o) As far as Eminem, (though I'm not quite clear how he became a topic), said in his album.., sumthing like, "If you think I believe in killing ppl..., then I'll kill you."

Anywayz, I do wanna say this, and I'm gonna prolly send mixed messages, but..., whatever....
I'm not ashamed to admit that I like Eminem, though I'm not trying to defend him, but I like the points he makes. I like Britney Spears, and would LOVE to see her run around naked! I like NSYNC, I like Backstreet Boys, I hate Limp Bizkit, I like korn and that Mambo number 5 song! I like to see a gay man get oral pleasure if you must know.

I'm NOT one to be afraid to say what I like and don't like. And it's not about Britney Spears or who ever raising my children, to me it's about.., "Keep urself entertained while I make you food." And in those 5/10 little minutes, they can see a person who is INTENDED to have a young audience, sing that no one can sexually satisfy her, and rip her clothes off! Do you get the point I'm tryin to make?
It's like Teletubbies or sum shyt, Lala's all dancin around one minute and the next.., Lala's a Juvenile video, backin that ass up! You see what I'm sayin?!
The shyt ain't right. Now, I, me, as my own person, could care less if Britney wants to be naked. But don't do it in front of my children.
Ya know, it's not even about naked women either, I don't care if my children see a naked woman, as long as there's sum taste and class to it, and everything's presented in the natural beauty in which the way it should be. But that's how I'M doin it, that's how I'M raising my children. There's no one way to do it, and whatever way you choose, it won't be easy.
jackal
Saturday, September 16, 2000 01:03:36 AM
IP: ac9a763e.ipt.aol.com

Entity:: How is it everyone can go and say they like Eminem, but they'd be ashamed to say they like Britney Spears or Backstreet Boys because
"they're superficial of-the-moment pop bands." Uh...

You're missing one of the points in the whole music debate. There's a large difference in IMAGE when it comes to Brittany Spears, and Back Street Boys versus Eminem.

Brittany is a teenybopper dream, and sugary pink as they come. (UGH... pink.. no wait.. isn't that my text color? the horror?!?!) Back Street Boys have a clean pretty boy image as much as they may or may not try to uphold that image. ( Come on.. they peddle Burger king!!)

Eminem on the otherhand is a foul-mouthed sadistic, wannabe little bastard who wallows in his self-proclaimed "bad role model" status.

They're both shallow, yes... but in different ways that a Spears fan and a Marshal Mathers fan would probably get right away.

hope that helps.
Shinigami
Friday, September 15, 2000 11:31:34 PM
IP: spider-wa041.proxy.aol.com

Eminem> Here's why I don't like him, even disregarding the "messages" he could or could not be giving to people. All of his songs (well, the ones I've heard) are about HIM. I'm just gonna use "The Real Slim Shady" as an example. His other big hit, "My Name Is," falls under the same category. But anyway, in "Real Slim Shady" he's just singing about himself. How is that interesting to a public? Moreover, all he does in that song is rant. It's not even so much to do with WHAT he rants about, or even HOW, but just that he's ranting. It's ranting put to music. Is this what a song is? As for it being "witty," I don't see it. I listened to
"Real Slim Shady" the very first time without any preconceptions. I liked "My Name Is." (That _is_ the name of that song, right?) But he's just going off on one thing after another, without any poetry or rythm to his words.

How is it everyone can go and say they like Eminem, but they'd be ashamed to say they like Britney Spears or Backstreet Boys because
"they're superficial of-the-moment pop bands." Uh...

But Eminem is different 'cause he's exposing all the phonies, right? Give me a break. What irony.
Entity
Friday, September 15, 2000 09:48:52 PM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

**CENSORSHIP DEBATE**
I do not if anyone has said the following. I read in a newspaper article written by a writer saying the fastest way for a book to become a best-seller is for someone to ban it.

I agree with the part about parents's taking responsibility. Once a kid has learned a set of values, you should be able to protest. If I have any children, I will secretly monitor which websites they visit.
**END CENSORSHIP DEBATE**

Signs you need to buy a new PC
1) you can not use the latest versions of any browser
2) you have trouble multi-tasking on your PC
3) you use virtual memory to make up for lack of RAM
4) every so often you have to decide what to delete off your hard drive to make room for something else.
5) you get messages about running out of room when surfing the internet.
6) DC frequently crashes your web browsers.

**WORK RELATED**
It was a nuetral day. It started off bad because I had to remove a lot of dried glue. It got better when an engineer came in with a way to speed me up and increase the quality of my work.

Since I work around glue and acclerant all day long, I have a dumb question. Would the fumes from those two things cause me to fail a drug test? No, I have not took one yet at work. Worse yet, would being around the glue so much lower my sanity?
**END WORK RELATED**

1+1=3 3+4=8

**RP RELATED**
One of the these days, after NCA is defeated, I will get around to revealing the 'unknown force'.
**END RP RELATED**

**BFTS RP continues while being monitored by an unknown force**
The Speed Stars surrounding Jason Filler slip on the ice. However, they quickly melt the ice. Jason was fresh out of ideas on what to do next. Suddenly, he thought about all the motorcycles nearby. He did the same animation spell before and brought every Speed Star motorcycle to life.

Plastique Saber's fireball is quickly absorbed by a suit with no harm done to the suit. Plastique throw acid on a suit and noticed a fizzing sound. She realized the new suits had a protective electric current around it. She thought about asking DPH to try to short out the suits electric current.

DPH's thunderbolt attack completely obliverated the Speed Star and the suit. DPH start to think about what he did, but realized that he didn't have time. DPH, being desperate and hoping to hit a weapon, summoned 10 micro-laser attacks against one Speed Star.
**END BFTS RP for now**
Will Jason be able to single-handedly win the battle? Or will he need help from Winterwolf and Frost to win the battle?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, September 15, 2000 09:16:59 PM
IP: max1-36.cwy.cei.net

Aaron- roomie I have your reciept from G2001- you left it in the hotel room -I'll send it to ya.

Laters
jenna
Friday, September 15, 2000 09:02:28 PM
IP: 1cust171.tnt3.houston.tx.da.uu.net

AARON:: (man that looks wierd...)

Eimenem> I haven't listened to anything he's done, except a duet with Kid Rock, which I liked, but my question is, does he believe anything he says, or is he just following the old equation Controversy = Publicity = Ka-ching! Sales. Oh, and the fact that Elton John is a big fan does strike me as a little bit funny.


I happen to LIKE Eminem. I think he's hysterically and disturbingly funny... Just just shows how messed up I am that my favorite track of his is "Kim" where he supposedly roleplays taking his wife in a car and killing her because she cheated on him. It's intense.. I like intense.

(also why I watched the Cell about ten times.. but that's a different lamer story)

Mara> (South Parkesque) Punt the kitty!

Attila::(Ike voice) No punt the kitty...

Time to play hackey-sack with the kitty!

>Vash> Vash is the man! Worship Vash! I love that guy. I can never tell if he's a brilliant gunfighter, or just Vinnie with good luck instead of bad.

THEORY ON VASH THE STAMPEDE


i think that in the past (when he did whatever it was that got the 60 billion double dollar price on his head) he was a brillant gunfighter and possibly some sort of super-human. (able to dodge bullets!?!? come on!) but he suffered some tragedy that made him go on this quest of peace and justice...

ultimately it drove him semi-insane (desert heat maybe?) and that's why he can go ffrom mega-kawaii to super bishonen hot in under three seconds. (drool.. VASH>.....................)

What I wanna know is what's with the priest with the cross-gun?

Marina: "That's very funny... Try not to be funnier then me, okay."

Ya see? That's Demmie-chan all over...

GB><<Aaron, Mara, and Reverend Attila= a really twisted version of Team Rocket :)>> Looks like Team Riff-It's mouthing off again! Interesting idea, but I like this one better. (Snaps fingers, giving himself, Mara, and Attila matching black suits and shades) We are the MST. Protecting the Earth from the worst fics in the universe.


*authoritive voice* You didn't read any fics today, Ma'am. That was just swamp gas reflected by one of the moons of Jupiter. Or something.

Not that I've actually MiSTed anything, except my impromptu work on 3x3 Eyes. Sigh.

b fair... we were misting gargoyle episodes that morning too, remember? "Everything explodes in anime... everything
Which was fun.. even if it was a little disprectful...
hehehe... Braveheart music...
Wonder if he'll show more tapes at the next con???
that'd be cool.
Shinigami - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
are the last thing on my mind., you're the last thing on my mind..., you're the last thingon my mind
Friday, September 15, 2000 08:37:54 PM
IP: spider-tm023.proxy.aol.com

Green Baron> Shall I gripe about last night, when I went to bed early, thinking I would get some sleep, only to be woken up at 2 30 by some idiot blowing one of those stadium horns... and my neighbour across the hall yelling "where's my f***ing keys!!!!!!???????" I am contemplating revenge consisting of some Spice Girls played very loudly at 8 00 in the morning when they all have hangovers next... heh heh heh...

I was so proud of myself today because I downloaded an image of San from "Princess Mononoke" and turned it into wallpaper for my computer!!!!! (... I imagine most of you are thinking "uh-huh??? and???? is that it????" but... I am mostly non-computer-literate. I plant ginkgo trees and write music and dream of gargoyles...and play in my newfound chat-room-type-place)

back to the debate... even if kids see violence on TV, there is no guarantee that they will understand what is going on. When I was small(er) I did see violence on TV, in movies, but I never remember grasping the concept of what was going on. Maybe this was because I was from the anti-violence home (I was never even spanked...) But I grew with the concept that to ever cause pain to another (physically or emotionally) was the definate wrong thing to do. Maybe I didn't understand the violence because I had never really been introduced to it, I don't know. But the point I was trying to make is that, someone can grow up having seen violent imagery and that is not necessarily the only factor that determines if they will adopt the behaviour they see. I SAW the violence, the sex, the homosexuality etc etc and I think I am stronger for having been introduced to what is outside the rural farming area where I lived, rather than having been faced with a huuuuuge culture shock when I went to highschool in the "big city". I have seen plenty of "sheltered" kids fall apart when they were thrust into "the real world" I wish I knew why, but maybe it has something to do with their parents' denial of what the world outside their home was like.

(yammer yammer... I don't think I'm saying anything even remotely useful anymore... maybe it's the lack of sleep...)

About this "Gathering" do... that sounds soooooooooooo COOL but... it is very far away so... unless someone can open me a portal, I think I will have to attend in spirit :)

Love
Nadia Komarov
Friday, September 15, 2000 06:45:19 PM
IP: dynrez216-3289.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

GREEN BARON - Well, Congress could always decide that the "freedom of religion" part of the First Amendment meant "Judeo-Christian religion". (And, after all, the Founding Fathers would have been all Christians - though I recall that a lot of them were Deists).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, September 15, 2000 06:29:11 PM
IP: 216.87.46.187.dialup-stl.primary.net

Hmmm, trying to get back to a more regular posting schedule.

Gundam> Did anyone else who caught Thursday's ep expect Treize to turn to a shadowy female figure with a passing resemblance to Colonel Un and say "Don't worry, everything's going according to plan."?

Also managed to rent the fourth and *fifth* Slayers Try tapes. Whoa! Weirdness. Let's just say that the fact that Lina and Xellos' voices also do voices on another one of my favorite series is not ignored.

Eimenem> I haven't listened to anything he's done, except a duet with Kid Rock, which I liked, but my question is, does he believe anything he says, or is he just following the old equation Controversy = Publicity = Ka-ching! Sales. Oh, and the fact that Elton John is a big fan does strike me as a little bit funny.

Mara> (South Parkesque) Punt the kitty! >Vash> Vash is the man! Worship Vash! I love that guy. I can never tell if he's a brilliant gunfighter, or just Vinnie with good luck instead of bad.

Winterwolf> Well, the one time I shook hands with Greg, I was going for the warrior handshake, and he went for the normal one, so it was a bit awkward.

Warpmind> No, it wasn't me. Marina said something about them never sending her and Jerry Ryan to the same con. "That really would be the battle of the boobs wouldn't it?"
Voice from the audience, not me: (Not that I disagree) "You'd win."
Marina: (Sounding a bit like Demona here too, come to that) "Thank you. Is that because I didn't write a check for mine?" (Audience ooooooos) "Come on! No one is that thin and that busty."
(Voice from the audience) "They're Borg implants!"
Marina: "That's very funny... Try not to be funnier then me, okay."

GB><<Aaron, Mara, and Reverend Attila= a really twisted version of Team Rocket :)>> Looks like Team Riff-It's mouthing off again! Interesting idea, but I like this one better. (Snaps fingers, giving himself, Mara, and Attila matching black suits and shades) We are the MST. Protecting the Earth from the worst fics in the universe. Not that I've actually MiSTed anything, except my impromptu work on 3x3 Eyes. Sigh.

Zath><<Also, is Mean Guns (never seen it) the sequel to Gunmen, or do they just both have Lambert and similar titles but no other connection?>> Hmmm, good question. Which I can't answer, since I've never seen Gunmen. Mean Guns was an HBO Original, so it's probably not a sequel. On the other hand, Marcus and Lou (Lambert) make references to having met before. "Political job back in '93." So... were there characters with those names in Gunmen?

Gasper> Actually, I *like* Dorothy. One, she has that kick-@$$ ATV-limo thing, which is even cooler when you get to see how much bigger it is then Relena's Barbie limo. Two, that black dress. And three, she's like the lone voice crying in the wilderness. Noin, Katra, and even Hiro, to an extent, all function as enablers for Relena, while Dorothy is the only who'll tell Relena that she's wrong. And, IMHO, Dorothy is right and Relena is wrong.

SJ><<WHY must they make Dilandau androgynous?>> Alright, now keep in mind I haven't read the manga, and I'm purposely avoiding the Fox dub, so I don't know what he sounds like there. Also, I don't know how much I can explain without spoilering, but... Here goes:

*Dilandu*, at least the one who leads the Dragon Slayers, is not a woman. He is rather effeminate. (Also vain, egotistical, and completely psycho) He's also surrounded by his private cadre of loyal pretty boys, which makes me think the Dragon Slayers do more around the barracks then polishing their Alseides. (which, btw, are the most kick-@$$ melefs in the series, Escaflowne be damned) That scene you mentioned; in the subbed version Allen says "This is my new lover. I found her in the east." The distaste Dilandu shows is probably that Allen, being a gentleman, isn't supposed to flaunt his little conquests like that. (Or it might just be that Allen likes, ugh, women) But Dilly wasn't flirting with Allen. (Trust me, that'd be *really*... weird, and not for the reason you think)

<<Gundam or Guymelef?>> Like Robby said, gimmie an Eva and I'll kick either across the field. Although, I was really surprised that he also said <<Guymelef beats an average
Gundam>>

Which leads to my long, pointless, which mech would win ramble.

Your basic guymelef would seem to be nothing more then a big suit of armor with a big sword. In a straight fight, on open ground, even one of OZ's crappy Leos shouldn't lose to that.

Despite flight capability, Escaflowne would get blown out of the sky by an Aries or a Taurus. So would those suits the cat sisters pilot. I'd say the only melefs that could beat any of OZ's mobile suits, and probably Romafeller's mobile dolls, (Dolls after all, being strong but pretty stupid) would be Pyro-boy Dilandu and his Dragon Slayers. Just attack while cloaked, shred, burn, lather, rinse, repeat.

However, I also think that even Pyro-boy would get his butt handed to him by even a basic Gundam. Except maybe the Sandrock. But I don't think the mercury blades or the flame thrower on an Alseides can scratch gundanium alloy, so that ends in a draw.

One of these days I'll have to write up a rundown of the match-ups and what I think the results would be.

Katara> You're right. Not that I've had a better look at it, Epion does look more like Xanatos' exoframe then an actual gargoyle. <<And though I like Quatre, doesn't his sweetness make you want to hurl? :)>> No, that would be Relena. << Have you checked out the offical web site yet? <www.gundamoffical.com> No, because every time I try, about six websites open, none of them having anything to do with Gundam.

Jaden> Belated welcome back.

Gunjack> Happy belated B-day.

SOROW> Good luck.

Emambu> Didn't the Eagles win the last time they played the ‘Boys, too? I don't really follow the NFL, (Now, if it was a Spurs/Sixers game...) but I remember that game because part of the crowd cheered when Michael Irvin went down and didn't get up.

Lexy> Awwww.

Kit> Congrats.

Dreamie> Welcome. We always need fresh bloo- I mean, new faces.

JackaL! Dude! Where you been?!? How are things?

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, September 15, 2000 06:27:49 PM
IP: 216-86-10-54.caprock.net

FINALLY!

I'm finally back in working order on my own machine. It only took them a MONTH to send me a working modem since the original craped out. Oh well, I apologise to anyone who had written a statement to me that I never answered.
Well this was the end of my third week as a Comm Design major and already I have half of a 3" 3 ring binder filled with thumbnail pieces. Whew! It's tough work, but I think it'll be a lot more exciting as we progress.

Oh and another thing. We just started Ancient Egypt today in Art History. I was pleased to learn that Talewever was acurate in having Meryt's Ka fly into one of the statues. Dr. Montgomery told us that they believed that in the mummified body was ever damaged then the Ka could live in one of the statues. Pretty cool.

chat at S8, I'll see what I can do to make it.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
Friday, September 15, 2000 05:52:53 PM
IP: spider-th012.proxy.aol.com

Christine> It's address is from Berkely. I knew that website was on something :)

Hello everyone, especially Lexy, Mara, and Kathy :)
Reverend Attila - [revattila@catsrule.garfield.com]
Friday, September 15, 2000 05:33:56 PM
IP: adsl-78-220-248.msy.bellsouth.net

ROFL ... not sure what to say about this ... hey, Leva, remember when you were astounded at my audacity for "The Boy With the Healing Hands"? Check this link! http://www.clonejesus.com/ or click ...

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, September 15, 2000 05:21:29 PM
IP: 15-124.009.popsite.net

I'm back!!!

Nadia> Yeah, I don't like excesses of bass. I hate it when I feel the room vibrating, especially when whiggers in the next room were playing rap too loud and full of all sorts of awful sexist lyrics. I wanted to just shoot through the wall to silence them permanently. Thank God I don't live in a dorm with potheads and jack---s who play music too loud, anymore.

Jackal> Parental Responsibility is key. Of course, ever sine LBJ's "Great Society", Government has wanted to do the parenting for us. The Democrats want to baby us and be Santa Claus giving us tons of gold-plated social programs and always shoving socila-justice down our throats as they brainwash College kids with left-wing ideology. The Republicans (well, the far right) want to regualte morality in the way of social values. They at least won't try to tax us into dependence, but they are bad in their own ways. Most Republians are not that bad, especially the Country Club variety and a large portion of the Reagan coalition. Of course, with Gore and Lieberman spattering about family values they are becoming just as pushy in their role of moral police. We'd be much better off if we cut the Government by 80% and the State stop trying to be the Church. There are some sorry fools who beleives legality and morality are the same thing. For all his faults, Bush will reduce these over-sized expecations of our Govt and our President. This good economy is more the result of hope that leads to prosperity and a slow death of the New Deal. The best thing the Government can do for our lives an dour Economy is to stay out of it!!!

SJ> Well, don't feel too guilty about being a white male. You're also part Cherokee. One of those singers in Rage has a Social Services Degree from Harvard. If any of my kids pick an Ivy League school, I disown them then and there!

I guess those book banners aren't using your Bible. They're using a King Bubba Bible rather than the King James :)

Gunjack> I think the stuff about a childhood is crap. I hated my childhood and I'd have been much happier if my mother had me grow up faster. I'd have been working as a teenager and I'd be more mature now, plus I'd have responsibly invested all my teenage earnings and have a few hundred grand to my name.

Childhood; I'd sell mine to teh highest bidder. I do like how you put the Pope and the Gargoyles in the same sentence. Both are excellent and great for children :)

Tim Phipps> I wonder what happened to you. I thought you were in the Marines. As for Eminem, I think he and Kid Rock would be shocked if they looked in a mirror and saw that they were white :)

Caliope> My mother works for Loyola and I get the same deal. I think it may last longer than when I am 25. In any event, graduation should be a goal. The main reason for College is to get a good job, IMO.

Xena Trek> I don't know where you are, but ::passioned kisses::

Now, I'm off. I hope people will still be on after the cocktail event ends
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, September 15, 2000 05:12:27 PM
IP: adsl-78-220-248.msy.bellsouth.net

**Winterwolf goes for a quickie**

**SHADOWRIDER PARTY - This Friday 8PM (20:00) ET to whenever**
**Location - http://www.s8.org/chat/gargs/chatframe.html**
**Non Framed - http://www.s8.org/chat/gargs/index.html**

Warpmind> Aww! Are you sure you can't stop in for a few minutes? You know a surprise visit!

Caliope> <free credits until you're 25> That's an awesome deal! I thought you didn't have to pay because you are a super genius! ^_~

Hope to see you at the party! :)

**Winterwolf darts out**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Friday, September 15, 2000 05:02:25 PM
IP: 206.15.122.13

Kyryn> I thought that was why they have that. I've seen it in my library. New Orleans is pretty open-minded about it, too. Now, I would not want my kids to be assigned to read something like Earth in the Balance until they can tell reality from fantasy :)

Taleweaver> Censorship is also an easy issue to throw around. You can rally the peasants who have too much power tehse days and get them to vote for you. Youc na even vote in favor of censorship while the Supreme Court will strike it down. That way, you can get re-elected and not cause any real harm.

Warpmind> Huck Finn was banned because it used a certain seven letter word starting with n.

Jenna> I agree with your comments about how foolish portecting the children is. If parents don't want to deal with children and responsibility, there's something called birth control. I also hate parenst who worry about their children endlessly. My mother does it and I want to bash her into a pulp with my silver-headed walking stick. I also want to read a few sharp objects through her heart for telling me all that crap about Santa Claus. It sickens me how my mother is so over-protective. If she thinks taht little of my abilities, she shoudl have cut me up into a stew when I was just a baby instead of coddling me now. i am so gald that I no longer live with her.

Actually, I'm not that worreid about my own kids and guns. I'll own one and they'll know how to act responsibly, plus I will always have it carried on my person. Now, I would not let my son (or daughter'my daughters will be much better trained with deadly weapons') own one until it was legal, so I agree with you about keeping kids from carrying guns, which is also against the law. I will also live in an urban area where cars are purely a luxury item, because when my kids trun 16, I want them taking the bus (or train). I find cars much more dangerous than guns and I think this country has far too many of them as it is.

As for Bush, we have a Constitution and a Supreme Court that will stop Bush if he coudl do anything to non-traditional religions. He would also be the CEO of the United States, not a legislator. The Congress would be the one to fear, but they are barred by something specifically siad in the Bill of Rights about Congress shall make no law abridging religious freedom. Bush has been vocal about it for his constituents. I doubt he will actually do anything.

Besides, what can the President do in this regard. Bush will probably cut the power of the Presidencya nd restore a balnce to three divisions of Government that FDR upset so greatly (even if he had a noble reason). I don't care for non-traditional religions either, but it's just my preference. I also like the Latin Mass, but I couldn't as President sign an executive order demanding every Catholic Church have a Latin Mass at least once a week. Besides, Clinton has exploited religion more than Bush could dream of, with how he shows up in a Church or doing soemthing religious whenever he gets in trouble. He's alwasy shoving his religion in his camera and the Democratic ticket contains two fundamentalists, so they'd be more likely to mess with Chuch and State than Bush.

Shadowrider> With the new chat time, I won't be there immediately. My Fraternity is having a cocktail social starting at 20:00 EST, but once that's done, I will come into the chat, if it's still going on.

As for artists, I hear that argument from many people, especially Amercians. At least, you sound more reasonable when you say it, since that is part of your heritage. To me, it was not so much a government funding of the arts as much as it was the wealthy being entertained and largely art is a division of the entertainments industry, though movies and sports have the largest share of it. We live in a different age with different rules. You live in the Republic of Italy, not the Republic of Milan. The times have changed and so should the role of Government in the arts. To me, art is a private industry and the most the Government should deal with art is if a local governemnt has funds for a school's art program or a state uses funds to fund a University's art program, or if a Government agency wants to purchase art to decorate a building or hallway. To me, creating a safety net for contemporary artists takes away from the financial strains that have made so many artists great. I doubt Michelangelo or DaVinci could have done the great jobs they do if the Government made them financially comfortable. If anything, struggles seem to make them great and when some more modern ones suceed, it is because there is a middle class who will pay for their services. Franz Liszt was able to do that as did the Beatles and Billy Joel. So did Andy Warhol and other artists like George Lucas. To me, it seems the Government's role of funding art is as obselete as the family farm, the 5.75 in floppy, and bronze weapons.

Taleweaver> When do you not playu devil's advocate

Daphne> Double-edged coin is a fitting term for censorship.

Gside> How does Geraldo pay part of your dad's salary.

I'll resume this post later. My fatehr needs his computer back and soon
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, September 15, 2000 03:06:36 PM
IP: adsl-78-220-248.msy.bellsouth.net

Dreamie-- welcome to the room!!! Good to see you here- I loved your costume and performance--

^_^
Jenna
Friday, September 15, 2000 02:06:28 PM
IP: 1cust194.tnt5.houston.tx.da.uu.net

DAMN! THAT LIST OF GUESTS LOOKS AWESOME! WOOHOO!!
JENNA
Friday, September 15, 2000 10:31:09 AM
IP: 192.245.189.3

Hello! ^_~

Green Baron> Oh, my mother is a univercity employe, so I dont have to pay credits till I'm 25 :) Luky me, no? :P

Gside> <<The Synopsis are only slightly stimulating>>: So many images flashed through my mind when I read that.>> Huh? What? ...wait, do I really want to know? :P

Winterwolf> lol yeah, I'm sure I could, I mean, what does it involve, reading over your test material? I can do that :P

So! Even tho this was a much calmer post, I should get going anyways! Besides, I think I've said all I needed to for now! Bye!!! *HUGZ all and skips on out*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 15, 2000 09:58:21 AM
IP: 136.145.70.210

::Sound of trumpets blaring DUM DUM DA DUM!::

Ladies and Gentlemen, our confirmed guest list for the Gathering of the Gargoyles 2001 (subject to last minute changes, of course) now reads as follows:

Thom Adcox (Voice of "Lexington")
Greg Weisman (Series Creator, Writer/Supervising Producer)
Frank Paur (Supervising Producer/Director)
Dennis Woodyard (Producer/Director)
Bob Kline (Development Art Director, Producer/Director)
Michael Reaves (Writer/Story Editor)
Brynne Chandler Reaves (Writer/Story Editor)
Gary Sperling (Writer/Story Editor)
Greg Guler (Development Artist, Lead Character Designer)
Victor Cook (Storyboard Artist)
Brad Rader (Storyboard Artist)
Doug Murphy (Storyboard Artist)
Carl Johnson (Series Composer)
Jamie Murray (Myhr) ( Master of Ceremonies)

And we're just getting started! Trust us when we tell you that you will not want to miss a minute of Gathering 2001: City of Angels!

Plan to arrive Thursday so that you will be well rested for a busy Friday, and don't event think about cutting out early Monday, because we are truly saving some of the best events for last.

Don't wait! Use Paypal and register on line today!
See you all in June!
The Gathering of the Gargoyles Staff - [ gathering2001@art-chicks.com ]
Los Angeles, California
Friday, September 15, 2000 08:57:38 AM
IP: rr-165-123-73.atl.mediaone.net

Taleweaver- I see your point in parents needing to be active in kids lives- and perhaps this is a way of doing it. But I think there has to be a fine line- If you don't want your kid to read certian material, ect. Then That is a parent's rights. And many times its a good idea that a kid not read some material too early, for example don't give a ten year old a copy of Lady Chattorly's lover. But the problem with censorship is that the special intrest groups don't want books such as Lady Chattorly's Lover to be available---AT ALL - TO ANY ONE OF ANY AGE. That bother's me. Yes, there have been actual lawsuits where a comic shop got in trouble selling adult material to adults. (read the comic defense fund) But also, I think when a kid is ready, they should be allowed to read books that were denied to them when they were younger. Let the kids think on their own, let them read and question. We need more of that, thinkers, than those who follow the heard anyway.

Now, not allowing a kid to read R/ X material when they are seven- I think that is a good thing. Having internet blocks on your childs computer- that's a good thing, and your right as a parent. But to tell me that I as an adult cannot read material I desire because its in my best intrest, that scares me. I don't want anyone to make that decision for me, but myself.

AS for kids becoming adults, I was trying to say that- I'm sorry guys, but the knowledge of some events is inevitable. The loss of innocence, is also, inevitable. We cannot treat children as eggs, because in the end it deprives them of skills later that they will need to survive. Children need to learn that life is not fair- That is why I loved shows like gargoyles- everyone (the adults) died in the massacre, and I think it was great that the show didn't cop out and have them all survive. I think, honestly, Kids need to see more shows like gargs (which I put more in the realm of anime anyway) and read books that deal with some of the darker issues parents seem to be avoiding. There is darkness and sorrow in life, and kids need to know it, and how to deal with it. It will help them cope as adults.

As for danger being all around them, yes I for one think kids should be protected from kids sexually abusing them, and carrying guns at all costs. But rather than do this by banning books that deal with these issues, a more productive way is for parents to deal with the ugly issues, and not ignore them. Talk with kids about violence, ect, don't just refuse to talk or read about it. Again, I dont' think kids should be watching X rated material at seven. But we cant' avoid issues forever. Case in point, one father I talked with once didn't want his kid to watch Xena because he didn't want to have to be bothered with explaining the nature of Xena's and Gabby's relationship. The thing that was empasized to me, is that this individual in question, didn't want to take the time to deal with touchy issues as sexuality.- Its easier to turn it off than discuss the show.

My point is, parents cannot hide from tough issues forever. Eventually that kid will find out the nature of what Xena/Gabby's relationship is. Isn't it better to talk with them about it, then hide it? Again- we must make allowements for age at this point, and that is up to the parent, and varies case to case.

About Robby's capitalization- regarding kids- I don't know if I'm right saying this, but I think the implied irony here is that its funny to want to shield kids eyes from anything dealing with sexuality, when that is how they got here in the first place. Am I right? Again, I dont' think we should let five year olds watch X rated material, but we can't lie to them either and tell them the stork brought them. There has to be a middle line- and its parent's right, and job to do it. And if they don't want to, then perhaps they should have considered that prior to becoming parents.

I think the biggest thing is- I think the parents do have the right to decide for their children what is appropriate, and when, but don't decide for someone else. I don't see a problem with fairy tales, but some parents do. If they want to raise their children in that fashion, then I cannot deny them, but don't take away my right to decide for myself, or my kid, because we dissagree.

but also I think one thing some artists do- and not a lot,but some- is hide behind the censorship issue. For example, there was one one artist that canned his own fecies, and sold it as an art piece. Now someone did buy it- don't ask me why--but when the artist was confronted with weather on or not what he did was art by a reporter from sixty minutes, he blasted the reporter in question for being a censorist nazi. Now this labeling is not very productive either, could it be that the individual has some questions about the work in particular, without the question of weather it not it should be available? But because it was not warmly embraced, all who disagree are labeled as those for censorship- I thought, watching this on sixty minutes, that this was very immature of the artist in question. Freedom of speech not only enables the artist to produce that work, and sell it as art, but it also protects the right of others to say "that's cr*p." Its a double edged sword, that cuts both ways.

One thing I do know, about Bush, that in all honestly frightens me, is he has been very vocal about his opposition to nontradional religions. Now that scares me, because I think someones relationship with the divine is sacred and private, and should not be soiled by the hands of the government.

But I for one, dont' see any of this as more than a campain issue. When the election is over, then all this ruckus will be over as well.

As for Brintey Spears and Hollywood- remeber they aren't there to take care of kids- they are intrested in making money- first and formost. Taking care of kids, is up to the parents.




jenna
Friday, September 15, 2000 08:33:10 AM
IP: 1cust143.tnt1.houston.tx.da.uu.net

*Warpmind enters.*

Shadowrider: Move it to 2AM? That means, delay it for 3 hours? Aw, shoot... I can't attend, then. My folks get a bit cranky if I use the computer after midnight... Getting to the Online Reunion thingie was worth WEEKS of greasing the cogs...

Gside: Please, don't remind me of the Ice Castle... that was a mandatory movie - school stuff. It's not like I had much of a choice - the movie's so B A D it can't even be MISTed. There is virtually *no* dialogue whatsoever for hours and hours...

Daphne: You say censorship is a two-sided coin... you come close. Any matter IS like a coin. One side represents your point of view, the other side represent the other party's point of view... few realize that there's also the edge of the coin, which does have a surface... this side represents the ever-neutral truth. :)

SJ: Yeah, I hear ya... as I said, sometimes it just takes one spark - furthermore, read my previous post regarding my foot and my mouth. ;)

Gunjack: Well, I *don't* think he'd be likely to let the kid watch all the way through such material as "Schindler's List" or "Striptease" just like that - I understood what he said as being the *general* guideline. And just for the record - I don't know what the statistics say an average Western 20-years-old has seen of death and savagery on TV and movies, but I know I'm at least a decade behind. ;) Oliver Stone's (yeah, that's his name!) point wasn't that he'd let the kid watch *everything* unconditionally, but that he wouldn't just shut off the TV and leave it at that - he'd be *responsible* as a parent and talk the whole thing over with the kid. (Sample situation - a kid, say, 10 years old, got the remote and accidentally finds Dusk Till Dawn during one of the more... gory scenes. Which is more responsible: just shutting off the TV, or verifying what happens in the scene, then shutting off the TV and TALKING with the kid about what just happened?)

Well, that's it. See y'all later. And be sensible about TV.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, September 15, 2000 05:38:33 AM
IP: mp-217-207-221.daxnet.no

i forgot to say j/k....
okies....
jackal
Friday, September 15, 2000 02:03:42 AM
IP: ac859141.ipt.aol.com

umm..., that link wasn't funny...
jackal
Friday, September 15, 2000 01:58:18 AM
IP: ac859141.ipt.aol.com

<--- "Will the real Slim Shady please stand up."


Sorry, it's been some time since I posted, but I wanted present my two cents on this whole EMINEM/censorship/responsibility subject.

When the controversy over Eminem's lyrics started, I was skeptical toward him. I am, after all, not at all happy With Ice T-bags "Cop Killer" which he made simply to discredit and demean the 700,000+ law enforcements officers in the U.S., who risk their lives to protect the innocent, just because of a few bad apples. And then there's Mary Manson who was at absurd at the worst and incoherent at best. Not that I'm for censorship, but I really hate their music. So naturally I didn't think too highly of Eminem.

But in an attempt to be fair, I took a $17.95+tax gamble and bought a copy of the Marshall Mathers LP...

AND I LOVED IT!!! And I don't even like rap!

I'm not sure why. I guess because it's so raw and unihibited. He says things in his songs that I would never say in polite society. I may not agree with everything he says in the album(the way he treats women in the album, for example) but the brutal honesty is netherless awe inspiring.

And, oh yeah, he pisses alot of special interest groups off. ;)

And let's be honest, folks: Haven't we all thought or muttered something offensive, derogatory, or not of the "social norm" at some points in our lives even when we don't really mean it? We're all guilty of it sooner or later. Eminem just puts it to lyrics and makes a profit.

Unlike Ice-T bag, Eminem puts it into perspective in a satiracle manner(which is more apparent when the album is listened to as a whole). Mary just... sucks. And if there's a song that you find disturbing like the one I found called "Kim," there's a peculiar feature on your CD player called a "SKIP" button.

Some would argue that it is not satire. I think it is. Then again, I'm the kind of guy who watches movies made by guys with names like Kubrick, Verhoven, Scorcase and so on. :)

Entity: <<Personally, I think Eminem is a pathetic piece of crap, and I cannot BELIEVE how popular he's become. And as much as I'd like to say I merely dislike him but don't disapprove of him, it's REALLY hard. I mean, face it: there are so many STUPID youth out there.>>

Gee. I like Eminem. What are you implying? ;)

Well enough for now. I've got to get some sleep.
Tim Phipps
Friday, September 15, 2000 01:52:28 AM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

**Winterwolf walks in sporting a bunch of bruises**

I was going to post earlier but I was trampled on my way in! **kidding**

Caliope> Did anyone get the number of that speeding Caliope? ;) Yes it was all a joke leading to my reply to Caliope. :P <don't know HOW to study> It can be really tough but I'm sure you can do it if you find you need to! ^_^

Bans and Censoring> I don't see the need to have to ban or censor any materials. It is up to us to choose how to behave responsibly! I see the majority of the idea is just to use it as a scapegoat because this isn't a perfect world and things do go terribly wrong!

Niamhgold> <weekend> Oh I checked my cabinet and I have some strawberry and raspberry Jell-O I could bring over! ;) Okay now that that bit of silliness is out of me, how is everything? I hope you have a wonderful weekend. It's nice to get the digs (your place) all to yourself when you typically share it most of the time. ^_^

Shadowrider> The new time is noted! It certainly seems that you are busy taking care of things before you go. So I hope you get the chance to enjoy our company as we'll certainly enjoy yours! See you at the party! :)

Mini brainteaser> You want to go to the party? Well you need to bring two things! Winterwolf is going to bring watermelon and wine. What are you going to bring? ;)

SOROW> <Tomorrow is the first football game of the season> I'm glad you finally get a chance to relax! **HUGZ** Good Luck! ^_^

Jackal> Welcome back man! You know what might give you a good laugh! http://www.heavy.com If you can get past the connection speed thing there's some interesting things to see.

web site spotlight> http://www.heavy.com has some funny stuff. Warning - It is raw so don't expect clean humor! Not usually my type of thing but I still found it amusing. I checked out Behind the Music That Sucks and American Suck Countdown. :)

Spike> Cool! Thanks for the Gargoyle book info! WooHoo!

Gunjack> <safe> No worries she's already insane! Of course I mean that in a very good way! :P

******TIME ADJUSTMENT******

**SHADOWRIDER PARTY - This Friday 8PM ET to whenever**
**Location - http://www.s8.org/chat/gargs/chatframe.html**
**Non Framed - http://www.s8.org/chat/gargs/index.html**

******TIME ADJUSTMENT******

Good night!

**Winterwolf walks out**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Friday, September 15, 2000 01:52:03 AM
IP: 1cust185.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net

Valentine walks in, glances at the latest posts, and begins to salivate*
Ooo, debate! My favorite! I think I'm gonna be in here a bunch in the next few days...:D

Well, I got over my sudden depression, and spent all last night talking guns with one of my buddies... And then today I got my learner's permit. Seems kinda odd to have a LP at 18, but I never really needed a driver's liscense before...:P Anyway, got to drive for the first time today.
Woohoo.

Before I forget, welcome to all the new people! It seems like every time I poke my head in here, there's another ten newcomers... Anyway, strike the band and pour the wine! *punches a Second Trombone*

Gside><<The only things that deserve that much bass are Cannon, Mars, Imperial March, O Fortuna, 1812, Egmont, and some Mussorgsky.>> You forgot Liberi Fatali. And The Landing. And anything by Hans Zimmer... <<Turnabout is fair play?>> I haven't heard anything on the race since the democratic convention. What makes it turnabout? <<You can tell the difference? You did have your sanity removed after all.>> When all you want to do in the morning is burn the house down around you, something's wrong. I can't remember the last time I was that depressed or apathetic. But on the bright side, after an hour in here I was more or less human again. :D
<<Did it sometime this afternoon. As always, could you tell me when you get it, so the remus admins aren't too angry with me.>> It's in the bag. Thanks again! <<And not just in a platonic sense.>> o_O Uh, I think it's time for some fresh air... ;)

Winterwolf><<Hi Dreamie! Welcome to the CR! **gently pulls Dreamie in** It's safe in here!>> How can you lie like that?!? Safe? Ask DC if it's safe! ;)

Shinigami><<Oh I already have it from Napster... all ya gotta do is make sure the fates bless you with good timing and a good modem connection...>> And tonight they did... I'd have to disagree with you, though... It sounds more like a waltz than anything... *glances at her post again*
Oh. I thought you said *carousal* music... silly me...:)

**************DEBATE! AH, THAT SWEET TREASURE!**************

Just one quick note in advance. As I'm writing this, I have *NO CLUE* what particular bit of censorship started this. For the time being, I'm just looking at the pro and con arguements... So if this is about censoring the Pope, or Gargoyles, PLEASE don't assume I'm supporting it.
Dang, and I was hoping to work on some HVAT rockets tonight too... Oh, well, this is more fun!

Jenna><<all this talk about "protecting the children" overlooks two things- first off, danger is all around us.>> So does it not seem reasonable that we should try to protect our children from it? If danger is so pervasive, we should go out of our way to beat it back, yes? We can't protect everyone from everything, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to protect at all...
<<second- this protecting the children overlooks the obvious-Children become adults.>> This is true, but look at the horrors that have been cropping up over the last few years, especially in the schools. Like rape and murder in the sixth grade and under. Could it be that the kids are becoming "adults" a bit too fast?

Warpmind><<If his kid watched something on TV, and it was "inappropriate" for young minds, he and his wife would sit down with the kid afterwards and TALK about what they just saw.>>That arguement, and quite a few others like it, completely dismiss the virtue of innocence. What possible good would it do for a ten year-old boy to see "Schindler's List" or "Saving Private Ryan"? I personally think that everyone who can handle them should see both, but not before they're ready. Heck, I was 17 and VERY jaded when I saw SPR, and several parts of that movie bugged me for weeks! What possible good would it do to expose children to that? To get 'em to "grow up" quicker? What ever happened to having a childhood?
And what is "talking about what you just saw" supposed to accomplish if he was watching Striptease? That kind of "innapropriate" material has a way of sticking in minds, and a "talk" isn't gonna change that much. Kids are kids, and treating them as though they have an adult's maturity is not in their best interests.

Taleweaver><<Every political season, the political animal looks for some issue that's easy on the eyes and the brains. Something that appeals to the emotion and doesn't require real thought or effort. Usually it is abortion or gun control or euthanasia>> Hmm. Two (quite literaly) life and death issues, and a third that balances Constitutional safegaurds against public safety. Tell me, what do YOU consider to be hard on the brain?

Kryryn><<Again, it comes down to responsibility: If you don't like it, you don't have to read it. You can turn it off or put it away.>> The "save our children" bit comes in when parents notice that they are losing their ability to control what their kids are exposed to. That is a problem.

Robby><<"I think it's a good step," said Crickmore, who has SIX children. (Empashis mine) "When those ads come on, it makes me very uncomfortable, and if it makes me uncomfortable, I'm sure my children are. They know what's being insinuated, and its more than I want to discuss with them right now."
*Blinks* Well, THERE'S a great policy. I don't want my kids to watch stuff because I don't want them to ever see anything involving the real world and have to explain it to them, but I let them watc TV anyway.>> Let's examine that statement. As a working example of a objectionable commercial, how about the ones for "Road Trip" or "Baseketball"(sp?)? What, specificaly, in either of those two little tidbits qualifies as positive material for a child of unspecified age? Both trailers contained, if memory serves, some extremely crude and offensive material. Neither, as near as I can reemember, contained anything even *CLOSE* to the real world, and if they did, I'm gonna bring a shotgun the next time my sister wants to go out of the house.
<<*Blinks* Well, THERE'S a great policy. I don't want my kids to watch stuff because I don't want them to ever see anything involving the real world and have to explain it to them, but I let them watch TV anyway.>> Or the policy could be stated this way: "I don't mind my kids TV in the afternoon, but I DO mind them watching brief overviews of movies I would NEVER allow them to see" Personally, I see nothing wrong with that statement.
<<Oii... Whats worse is she has SIX children, which means unless she's... AN interesting person,>> That was unnescessary.:( <<at least one of those kids is at least 8 years old, probably closer to 10. And she's still hiding the real world from that child? Eee... Scares me...>> Again, what excactly in either of those exapmles reflects the "real world"? Both are complete fantasy, not to mention tasteless. Where are the lessons for life hiding?
<<"I want to protect him as much as possible," said Denise Cohrs, mother of a 2 year old. "Not to overprotect him, but I think I should be allowed to be able to make the choices about what he sees."
Nice speech lady. SO WATCH THE TV WITH HIM RATHER THAN LET IT BABYSIT THE KID IF YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT CHOOSING WHAT HE SEES! Oii, some people just irk me.>> So in other words, a parent should either constantly monitor everything their children watch, or not allow them to watch at all. How about when the mother is busy with work, and the kid wants to watch TV. "Sorry son, but I'm not there to filter out the filth for you, so you'll just have to go do something else..." Is it too much to ask that the TV station helps her out just a bit?

One other question. *Valentine points to the last statement* Could you please point out the part of that quote that indicates that Mrs. Cohrs is using the TV to "babysit" her child? And I quote: "so watch the TV with him rather than let it babysit the kid if you care so much about what he sees!"
This, I believe, is what they call "rhetoric"; "demonization" also comes unpleasently close. There is no logical base that I can find behind that statement, and yet it places itself on the moral and logical high ground and condemns the opposing position. Watch out for that kind of thing.
<<9. Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newton, since its a "skillfull presentation to the young child about lesbianism.homesexuality.">> Maybe the call to ban that particular book had to do with it being read to elementery-school children without parental approval...

********************END DEBATE (FOR NOW)********************

Oy, but that's a hefty post... Feel free to hit me if you see any logical lapses. see y'all next time! Oh yeah, and since we're talking about Eminem... clicky! Now, let's see if the link works... :P
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 15, 2000 01:12:14 AM
IP: proxy.iad3.netsetter.com

Kids' Books about Gargoyles:

"god bless the gargoyles" -- by dav pilkey (the same guy that writes "The Dumb Bunnies" books, if you can believe it!)

"Night of the Gargoyles" -- written by Eve Bunting and illustrated by David Wiesner (I highly recommend this book; I discovered it as part of a show of Wiesner's illustration at the Dallas Museum of Art. Amazing artwork!!)

"The Gargoyle on the Roof" -- poems by Jack Prelutsky and pictures by Peter Sis. (If the Gathering ever goes up to Seattle, I urge someone to invite Prelutsky to come.)
Spike
Friday, September 15, 2000 12:11:59 AM
IP: adsl-208-190-38-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Censorship: The thing that really gets me about the entire censorship deal is that there are actually very few individuals who promote censorship in this country. Let me explain what I mean by that. There could be thousands, maybe millions of parents who support banning a certain book from their local schools, but there are really very few individuals who are actually out there deciding which book should be banned. Most of them are misguided politicians, like Joe Lieberman (and if it looks like I'm schilling for the Republicans, I'm not. Many of them are just as bad, if not worse. I'm only using Lierman because he has made himself the most visible proponent), who think they know what is best for the rest of us. The other half are religious wackos who think that they are doing God's work by keeping Harry Potter out of the school library. They're a minority, yet somehow they seem to ruin the fun for the rest of us. They're like the kids in class who remind the teacher that she hasn't handed out homework for the evening.

Now, the politicians I can understand, because I realize that they at least *think* they know everything. But what really annoys me is the religious zealots. Now, I consider myself a Christian. Maybe not a very good one, but still. So, with that said, I'd just like to ask these zealots (which is really sort of what they are) why they think they're doing the Lord's work by banning Harry Potter. "Well, we feel it promotes paganism and teaches children that magic and being a witch is okay." Yeah, AND? Jesus Christ, who died for our sins, protect us. God, in his infinite wisdom, created everyone of us with a free will. Most of the time that gets us into trouble, but we're not puppets. We can make up our own minds about things. So, have these people never heard of religious tolerance? Have they totally neglected that part of the Bible? I don't know, maybe they edited that part out of newer versions of the Bible (it would make a lot of sense, given some of these "Christians" behavior), but in my copy it's still in there. Let the kid read the damn Harry Potter book. If they read it and turn into a pagan, so be it. That's their choice. That's how God wants it--we make up our own minds. I'll tell you what it is--with these zealots, at least, it's cause they feel threatened. They're scared to death that people are going to go for one of those other, icky, "heathen" religions. I'm a Christian--I believe in God. But if someone wants to start worshipping an autographed photograph of Wayne Newton, let them. That's their choice. It's what makes religion so great, you have a choice. It's one big spiritual buffet. Don't ban a book just because it may espouse a different religious view other than your own.

But Harry Potter is jus the easiest example. The other stuff, like banning Huck Fin, or the Scary Stories series.....please. To paraphrase Mr. Funny-Except-When-I'm-On-MNF, Dennis Miller, children aren't faberge eggs. You'd be surprised at the kind of mature material they can handle. They need to develop a thicker skin. What, Huck Finn has African-Americans treated unfavorably? Now, a rational person would think that you could take that and use it to show children how people acted back then--the WRONG way--and how people react today--....better. I wish I could say the right way, but unfortunately, blacks aren't treated as they should be still. But that's not the issue. The point is, it's ridiculous to ban any of these books. But we understand this, even if some don't.

Eminem: The reason that he writes lyrics that are allegedly (or definitely, depending upon your p.o.v.) sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic is not what pisses people off. That he is SUCCESSFUL is what pisses people off. I kind of like Eminem, because he has a talent with his acid tongue. He may insult everyone, but he's actually pretty witty about it. The real way to get rid of him--don't buy the albums. Instead, people are 'outraged' by him, and this only makes him bigger. He admitted as much. At the VMA awards, he said that every time someone criticizes him, his album sales go up.
But JackaL has a point. Eminem is not going to cause people to go beat up women or gays, unless of course those people liked doing that to begin with. And he has a point about Britney Spears. I don't think of Britney as this great role model for young girls. She acts like the girl next door one minute, and the next she's wearing a red jumpsuit so tight that the whole world is her gynecologist.

As for Rage Against the Machine: I think they're all Americans, which is sad, because I sincerely wish we could deport them to someplace else. I hate those guys. I respect their freedom of speech, but frankly, as a white male, I have enough guilt trips hanging on me as it is without these assholes showing up every five minutes to yell at me about how I'm nothing but right-wing racist capitalist scum.
I don't like Limp Bizkit or Fred Durst, but I was secretly thanking him at the VMA awards when he encouraged that one Rage band member to jump to his death.

Warpmind: I was maybe a little harsh, but that's how I get when I'm passionate about something. For the record, though, I never thought that Entity got fired up about anything, and I don't think there was every any animosity or tension between us at all. Just disagreements, perhaps.

Football: Well boys, my guys the Redskins face the Cowboys this Monday night. This is a must win game. Must win because if the Redskins can't pull a victory off this Monday...I'm jumping ship. I'm totally getting off the bandwagon ALL the way.
So Stephen, I may have to start wearing some Buccs colors. I wanna jump onto a team that has a damn good shot at winning the Superbowl this year. ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:48:58 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

RL controversy resurrects JacKaL

Hey every1! Missed ya!!!!!

Sorry, I'm a bit late on this..., been busy. But WTF?!?! OK, everybody knows Ice T's Cop Killer was banned, did that stop cop killer songs? No, it didn't. There's not a subject that isn't talked about in songs, you got little grrls being raped, you got murder, you got massive drugs, you got gay bashing, whatever. What's the point in bitchin about it? It's not gonna stop. You know why? Do you know why? Cause the same muthaf***as bitchin about it are the same muthaf***as promotin and buyin the shyt!! Being a parent of 3 children, 2 are born and one's about to be born, I feel like I know what the hell I'm talkin about it, and stand *strongly* behind what Eminem has said on his new album,
"..don't blame me... ..apparently you ain't parents."

Simple as that. But muthaf***as hate that shyt, cause no one wants their f*** ups pointed out. If you don't want ur children, or 11 year old, whatever, listenin to muzik like that, then guess what, don't f***in buy it, and monitior ur kids, they can't raise themselves, and as stupid as that sounds, alot of parents apparently don't realize that! Or maybe I'm wrong! Maybe ur 11 year old is gettin his check cashed from his job and buying the album himself. Huh? what's this?? What about downloading from the Internet???? Heard of PARENTAL CONTROLS?!?!?!

No, you can't supervise everything. I know this. But you can control the f***in flow of shyt, you know what I'm sayin?? What about this whore Britney Spears??? She ALREADY has the audience of young children, and the bitch would walk around naked if there wasn't a law against it, and you know it! Eminem warns you what he's about, Britney's like...

Britney's the worst, because there's no way to guard against sumthing like that. Comin on all bubbley, happy, then BAM I'm a SLUT!!! I don't give a f**k my son jerks his d**k thinkin about you, but what I do give a f**k about is how women are presented..., if you're gonna present yourself as a whore, fuck that, I don't want my son thinkin all women are gonna be dressin up like that slut. Now, I feel Christina Aguilera has sum class, but that's my feeling as a parent. And that's what it boils down to, feelings as a parent. If you ain't a parent or you're not still under your parents supervision, or you don't have a child under ur supervision.., then..., I hate to be bitchy, but it doesn't concern you. Your doin senseless bitchin that's gonna piss off the ppl that it actually concerns.

Now, everything is all gud on my neck of the woods, I couldn't be happier and I don't want anyone to think I'm upset about this, I just feel real strong about it. And I hope that the senators listened gud to Eminem's 5th track on his new album, "You want me to fix up lyrics while the president gets his d**k sucked?"
jackal
Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:25:35 PM
IP: ac859141.ipt.aol.com

Tomorrow is the first football game of the season, and I can't wait til Saturday when I can just pass out on the couch and not wake up for 20 hours. Anyway, wish me luck!
SOROW
Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:14:12 PM
IP: a020-0462.dll2.splitrock.net

Very very busy. little time to do more than hit the main points:
1) welcomes and more welcomes!
2)those who requested writings>> the very second I get the chance, yo *will* have them. I hope you're ok with angst!
3)censorship>> it's a two-sided coin. nothing is all good or all evil, and a tool or institute is only as good as those who use it.
I'm gonna go back to lurking now.
Happiness to all!
--Daphne
Daphne, apprentice-wordsmith
Thursday, September 14, 2000 08:58:01 PM
IP: dialup-63.214.204.1.philadelphia1.level3.net

SHADOWRIDER - Unfortunately, I don't recall the name of the author of "God Bless the Gargoyles". However, I do recall the basic essentials about the contents.

The book is a children's book of the "picture book" variety, a short one told in rhyme. It tells how in the Middle Ages humans placed gargoyles up on their churches to guard and protect them, and how the gargoyles faithfully carried out this duty. But as times change, humans forget why they put the gargoyles there to begin with, and respond to them with scorn and hatred, calling them abominations that have no place in "the house of the Lord". The gargoyles are heart-broken and filled with grief at hearing these words. However, a flight of angels comes by to console the gargoyles and show them that they are being watched over by Heaven. I can't help but think that it does bear a striking thematic resemblance to "Gargoyles" in some ways.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, September 14, 2000 08:52:12 PM
IP: 216.87.46.122.dialup-stl.primary.net

Winterwolf> <<Mine went on sabbatical the moment I arrived in college>>: That sounds about standard practice. Theres no way it would survive through EE lectures anyway.

Todd Jensen> <<I don't know yet how we'll deal with it in Season Four>>: At least you are already aware of the problem, so you have much time to contemplate its solution.

Warpmind> <<my criteria for watching a movie is generally that SOMETHING happens along the way>>: But you are aware of those like, you mentioned something about an Ice Castle?
<<You didn't get that joke>>: Of course not. I just thought it might be an easy way out of the shame, at least until I can correct this situation.

Nadia> <<rap music with waaaaaaay too much bass>>: The only things that deserve that much bass are Cannon, Mars, Imperial March, O Fortuna, 1812, Egmont, and some Mussorgsky.

Shadowrider> <<4° Regiment of SAM Artillery>>: So, when do you get to touch the big toy? It's good to hear that you have official word about where and when.

Robby> <<Except for the profanity part, that description sounds like Wizard of Oz to me.>>: Same with the Alices. Especially with that disrespectful of adults bit; Carroll never liked adults (or boys for that matter).

Calíope> <<The Synopsis are only slightly stimulating>>: So many images flashed through my mind when I read that.

Spacebabie> <<The FBI are investigation how a tape of Bush practicing his speech strategies ended up at the Gore campaign./Gee what does this sound like>>: Turnabout is fair play?

Green Baron> <<I'll keep Geraldo on, because Ann Coulter is on his show a lot>>: That, and he pays part of my father's salary.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, September 14, 2000 08:44:45 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

*enters with his copy of "scary stories to tell in the dark"* yeah, that's right I OWN a copy of the #1 banned book! and what's more I hadda read brave new world in high school, and what's more unsettling, this is turning word for word, into exactly the kind of setting in Bradbury's fahrenheit 451 (which they'll ban sooner or later due to it's casting of censorship in a bad light) I've just got one last thing to say, the disclaimer track on the Offspring disk sums this whole debate up nicely, among other choice phrases are "this album contains explicit depiction of things which are real, these real things are commonly known as life" I give up, if this country's gonna be run by the oversensitive and the brainless, I say those of us with half a brain either move out or stage a revolution
shogun raptor
Thursday, September 14, 2000 08:40:47 PM
IP: user-38ld81r.dialup.mindspring.com

Twice in one day, sort of a record for me.

Let me play Devil's Advocate. For one thing I play it so well. For another maybe the opposing side has a point. Maybe we are a little quick on the condemnation of parents wanting books banned.

It seems like they are doing what a lot of people have whined and complained about. They are taking an active role in their childrens' lives. I would think someone with the excess energy to join a banned book campaign would also check to see if their kids are doing their homework. How many times have we condemned society for the parents. *They* don't take an active role. *They* don't seem to care. *They* palm off their children to pursue their own selfish pursuits. But the main motivation for banned-book movements isn't entirely selfish.

being a child of a muse, I'm definately for reading all types of literature. But it seems we might be a little too self-righteous condemning these parents because they share the same point of view.

Is it an illusion of control? (My more cynical nature agrees most emphatically) But whose illusion? Parents for wanting to safeguard their children. Or ours for looking for someone to blame and look down on.

I think I need to renegotiate my retainer for being an advocate. Anyway, let the flames commence.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Thursday, September 14, 2000 08:28:12 PM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

A few words before sleep...
(and a good reason to use the Sata picture...;)

***QUITE URGENT***

Winterwolf and anyone else interested in the party tomorrow:> I'm sorry to say it so late, but I just knew that I could have some problems tomorrow night. So, if it is all right for you, I'd propose to move the party of a few hours. Basically, instead of starting at 23 PM Italian Time (17 PM CR Time), would be better for me in 2 AM Italian Time (20 PM CR Time). I'm sorry, because I had proposed the time in the beginning, but there was something I couldn't previde. Please, tell me if anyone has problems for it and we'll see o arrange.

***END***

Green Baron:> Your comment is interesting indeed...although maybe the topic is too big to be discussed here. Anyway, it comes in my mind now that in ancient times artist used to be "protected" by nobles or kings, where "Protection" was to mean that the noble fed and supported the artist, receiving in exchange fame and respect for having a quoted artist in his court. It was so, for example, with Leonardo Da Vinci, who lived for years at the court of the Sforza. So, we could say that artists have always lived and worked with governative funds...;)

Censorship:> Well, personally I am against any form of censorship, and the only mentioning that a book is being "banned" or "boycotted" takes to me visions I don't like at all...for the reasons, I agree with Robby, he said better than me. I also find very interesting what Warpmind said...seems to me a very responsible attitude by everyone involved.

Todd Jensen:> Does really exist a book called "God bless the Gargoyles"? I thought it was fictional. Please, may you give me some more infos about it (the author, and what is the topic)? I'd really appreciate it.

Good Night!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Thursday, September 14, 2000 08:20:22 PM
IP: h213-18-244.mi2.albacom.net

well i for one am very naughty- I hear a book is banned, and I pretty much try to go out and get it immediately.

Robby- I pretty much agree with all you said. I can't add that much.

SJ- all this talk about "protecting the children" overlooks two things- first off, danger is all around us. As I write this, my hubby is telling me about a bus driver accused of sexually assualting a three year old. There is not a place that's safe any more, and I wonder how much of the censorship issue is an effort to gain some type of illusion of control.

second- this protecting the children overlooks the obvious-

Children become adults.
jenna
Thursday, September 14, 2000 07:43:51 PM
IP: 1cust8.tnt4.houston.tx.da.uu.net

Since were talking about censorship, ect- here is a link I found that speaks of it- Harry Potter made the list- well, I guess that's a sign that its good! :P
jenna
Thursday, September 14, 2000 07:18:46 PM
IP: 1cust8.tnt4.houston.tx.da.uu.net

If "Gargoyles" was still around on television (other than reruns on Toon Disney), maybe some of the religious groups would be attempting to ban it for portraying "demons" as heroic and noble beings (not to mention the inclusion of magic and "pagan gods" in many of the episodes).

Come to think of it, in one of our early stories ("Partnership", by Batya Levin), we had one of the Quarrymen, a concerned mother, wanting to have "God Bless the Gargoyles" (an actual book and one which I think will probably appeal to every Gargoyles fan out there) banned from the schools.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, September 14, 2000 06:59:02 PM
IP: 216.87.46.93.dialup-stl.primary.net

Winterwolf, Renard was who I am thinking about.

no RP from me for now.

not much for to me say today at all.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, September 14, 2000 06:35:10 PM
IP: max1-3.cwy.cei.net

*Warpmind enters, wiping sweat of his brow.*
Well, this is scary. There's a censorship debate going on here right now, and in the news today, there was a report on a man who singlehandedly managed to get a station to remove Xena from the schedule at the hours when children are likely to be watching. The guy's a genius; he wrote letters to the advertising companies about what he deemed irresponsible broadcasting, they reacted... and the whole thing took, apparently, less than two weeks. And there was no demand that the show be removed, either - just MOVED from that particular hour, and to later parts of the evening, when the younger children should be in bed. Genius. Pure, unadulterated genius. There's the attitude I like - don't censor the shows, don't deny us the right to watch action on TV, just make sure the stations are a bit more responsible about when they air it - shows like Xena, while potentially infinitely entertaining for those of us who are 16+ years, is NOT written for kids below 10, and airtime should reflect that. And while I'm on the vein, I recall an interview, I believe it was with - damn, but I don't remember his name right now - the guy who made Natural Born Killers. He was asked wether or not he condoned censorship. He replied that, no, he would not censor anything. If his kid watched something on TV, and it was "inappropriate" for young minds, he and his wife would sit down with the kid afterwards and TALK about what they just saw. Why can't the average parent be as responsible as that, instead of just shutting off the TV? *Sigh* Maybe it's time to find one of those "Go Lemmings Go" buttons, after all... and blame the Krundai race. (Cyber-cookie to whoever gets the reference.)

Robby: Of those ten books, the only one I'd like to see burn is "Catcher In The Rye"... but not as a censorship act. Just because I honestly hate it so much. ;) As for the bible, well, I too am surprised it hasn't been taken off the shelves yet. After all, it portrays Christ as a guy who hangs out with virtually all kinds of sinners. :) As for fantasy worlds causing confusion... someone bring in the smelling salts for this one. Way I see it, we *need* that sort of confusion to even out the so-called Real Life-type confusion, right? ;)

Entity: You weren't... yet. I just perceived a lot of raging hormones in those posts - maybe good, maybe bad... and, as we all well know, one spark is all it takes sometimes... As for you opposing SJ, well, I'll admit I managed to stuff my foot a bit into my mouth there (as usual).

Christine: Oooo, Elves In Black? Yet another incentive for me to Make It There! (Personally, if I get there, I'm pondering a Call of Cthulhu investigation of mysterious statues coming to life... maybe.)

Spacebabie: A tape astray? Quick! Someone get Nixon on the line. ;)

Green Baron: Exactamundo! (Ooo, if Hollywood was subsidized by the feds, don't waste your time with SJ or Robby - imagine what Pissy could have done! No offense, SJ or Robby.)

Entity: I believe the US had Huck Finn banned for a period - not sure when, though; might have been in the late 60's/early 70's.

Well, it's half past midnight, and I'm signing off.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, September 14, 2000 06:29:09 PM
IP: mp-217-237-32.daxnet.no

Censorship> To quote Londo Molari: "It's politics don't take it personally." I'm not for censorship, but I can understand why it has become a cause celebre. Every political season, the political animal looks for some issue that's easy on the eyes and the brains. Something that appeals to the emotion and doesn't require real thought or effort. Usually it is abortion or gun control or euthanasia (sp?) This time it's censorship. Both parties aren't going hard after Hollywood, because they know what side their bread is buttered. It's easier to get elected with Hollywoods support than without it. My guess is that by October, this will either heat up or cool off completely, depending on where the winds blow. But I am not staying up worrying whether Bush, Gore, Lieberman or Chancey (is he even in on this issue) decide, because ultimately it's just a lot of noise and bluster.

banned Book week> Some of my favorites are Dr. Seuess.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Thursday, September 14, 2000 06:05:06 PM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

Kyryn> Are you sure? You mean Hucklebery Finn has been banned?
Entity
Thursday, September 14, 2000 05:52:44 PM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

****Kyryn sticks her head in.****

Entity> It's National 'Banned' Books Week. The libraries and some bookstores list books which have been banned under various situations, highlight and showcase these books, and encourage people to read them. The intent is actually against censorship.

****Kyryn ducks out.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, September 14, 2000 05:08:24 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

RP WARNING!!!
**Turner HQ
Marshall Applewhite is now face to face with Ted Turner.

"Well, time's wasting. I also have OJ on his way. He's been told you're the real killer."
"It doesn't matter. I am also a Buddhist monk and I shall now have my cult use their Buddhist monk special power."
"What are you babbling about..."
Marshall Applewhite sits on the floor and clangs his arms together, igniting in flames and sounding off a fire signal. In the rest of the building, fire signals sound off as sprinklers are turned on to put out the flames, except it's too late and the cultists have already bruned themlseves to death. Meanwhile, the water has shorted out many computers in the building and caused other porblems much worse than the burning Buddhists.

OJ Simpson arrives at the scene moments later to see Marshall Applewhite already dead. His face twists in anguish.
"Nooooo!!!!!!!!!! It was my destiny to kill him, but now he's dead. Why? I've been denied everything, even my right to hack up the Heavan's Gate Cult!!! Well, it's time I started a killing field in the building."

OJ moves towards Ted while a tady comes in with a particle beam weapon. Ted Grabs it, but the toady is skewered by OJ's machete. OJ then runs Ted Turner through with it, only to have his body absorb the knife as his eyes glow with evil glee.

"You can't kill me, OJ. I'm a demon and I needed that knife. I haven't ahd my iron today. Now this weapon may neutralize you once and for all."

Ted Turner turns on the weapon as it makes a whistling noise while the crystals in its center glow bright blue. Five lines form at the center and a blue light blasts OJ Simpson leaving nothing in his place.

Is OJ dead permanently? Did Ted Turner succeed in vanquishing a powerful foe?**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!!

Todd Jensen> Well, I know Lewis invented the term, but you introduced us to it. You are very modest.

Gside> Well, Dr. Wood just won't let people take FIN 305 and FIN 400 together. I honestly don't blame him either. 305 should be a pre-requisite, but it isn't.

Niamhgold> I thought I just got away with it because I'm so cute :) and my cat is much worse.

Caliope> How do you get that deal?

Firestorm> Well, I am a descendant of William the Conqueror, cousin :)

Warpmind and Shadowrider> Well, loans may be an okay idea if a mainstream interest rate is used and if a Government has so much of a surplus they can engage in venture capitalism. I really see only a few purposes for the Governemnt and I find subsidizing entertainment, while it may be well inetntioned, to not be a function of teh government. My support of such like a museum is more for education, though I'd rather we not even have to dirty their hands with federal funds. As I see it, if Hollywood was subsidized by the Feds, then SJ and Robby would have novels worth of censorship rants.

Lexy> Nice poem

Bronx> ::kisses:: Well, I guess I just missed you. You weren't on-line for a while, either.

Dame Corax> Did you get my e-mail?

Gundalug> I remember you. I was the guy in the green suit :)

SJ> Well, I am a little surprised that Clinton and Gore are once again whining about the children (except the unborn). They whine about health care and about tobacco. I grew up knowing about what C. Everett Coop stated. I know better than to smoke. If another kid wants to smoke, let him, but if he gets cancer, its his fault. As for movies, I support ratings and maybe a small warning, but that's all. I don't particularly like the Marxist views in Rage Against the Machine, but I'll be a capitalist (since that pisses them off) and support their right to make money. Lieberman is at leats honorable, but he uses his politcial power. Bill Bennet is a private citizen who uses private sector influence to go against what he dislikes which is how it should be done.

As for violence in movies, Charleton Heston put it best when he said it has been around since the Greeks invented drama. He did say he think some of the special effects have gobne too far in graphic violence, but that's all he did. He says it may have gone to far, but that's it. Just his personal opinion. The Omega Man features Charleton Heston using assault rifles against a bunch of fanatics called the family. I'm surprised Rosie O'Donnell hasn't tried to ban that from video stores, or that jerk Schumer.

Kiatania> $Rosie O'Donnel is dead. Ann Coulter blew her away back in the Avatar. You can use Susan Sarandon :)$

Robby> Well, actually there is a kid's version of the Bible :)

On an even odder note, the ACLU is trying to ban a book promoting sexual abstinence, because the belief in chastity has its roots in Judeo-Christian teachings. The ACLU is as bad as the Religious Right, now.

Spacebabie> How come, you're not on my list?

SJ> Another thing I hate about Bill Clinton are his die hard supporters. Joe Conalson, Larry Flynt, James Carville, Maxine Waters, Geraldo.......how many would you like to shoot up :) Well, I'll keep Geraldo on, because Ann Coulter is on his show a lot :)

Welcome Dreamie

Shogun Raptopr> That's the attitude. I am so sick of hearing everyone whine about the children. The Government is too bloated and large and acting as Santa Claus for too many people. And I am so sick of hearing windbags whine about kids an dhealthcare or about protecting the children. Most children need some good old-fashioned discipline. Nuns need to put on their habit and grab a ruler so they can teach parents hwo to keep the kiddies in line. It's time we set some limits on children and I bet a few people feel sorry for whateevr kids I have in the future. They'll know discipline and they'll know fear :)

Welcome Nadia. Enjoy this twisted place :)

Kyryn> Well, Jonathan Swift had a very funny piece on cannibalism. I think it woudl be fun to tell kids stroies about putting PETA members in the Oven and then feeding the PETA members to your pets. Of course, the Broethrs Grimm had great fairy tales, too:)

Now, I'm off. Spare the Rod and spoil the child :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Thursday, September 14, 2000 05:01:57 PM
IP: 141.164.133.105

Short but sweet

History is repeating itself again.

I heard it on the news this morning
The FBI are investigation how a tape of Bush practicing his speech strategies ended up at the Gore campaign.

Gee what does this sound like?

Robby>Here is another book that is banned in frederick Douglass's hometown. His narratives are banned beacues of a slaveowner that tortured him's descendant is the high sheriff of the town.
Spacebabie
Orlando, FL, U.S.A
Thursday, September 14, 2000 04:51:08 PM
IP: user-37kapk1.dialup.mindspring.com

New on my site: lots of new art! In both the fanfic Gallery and on the MageLore site! And there's more to come, or so I've just learned! Woo! Thank you so much to the wonderful artists who honor me with their work! I love it, and appreciate it tremendously! Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html for the links.

Kitainia > that's great news about that guy! Brr. Too creepy. I'm glad for you and Doug that the ordeal is over. Thanks for the feedback on the new story. Cobalt turned out to be a fascinating character, and the next Guardians tale will probably involve his backstory as well as what happens on Avalon.

Todd > well, for the Halloween candy at least, there's a method to their madness ... if we start buying it now, odds are we'll eat it all up ourselves long before tricks or treats, and then have to buy more! I know it works for me ; )

Warpmind > it depends on what games people sign up to run. I will be running GURPS Fantasy (Elves in Black), but anyone else is certainly welcome to volunteer to run the game or system of their choice!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, September 14, 2000 04:42:32 PM
IP: 07-156.009.popsite.net

Entertainment industry> Here's the thing. I am obviously against censorship. (This would be less redundant if anyone who WASN'T raised their hand.) But even though I'm against censorship, you've to admit that Hollywood DOES MARKET towards young kids. And that is wrong.

Those who are leading this crusade against the entertainment industry are obviously not viewing it that focusedly. But what's actually happening aside, does anyone agree that the industry is in the wrong to an extent?

Yeah, obviously, parents should be raising their own children. And CERTAINLY, nothing should EVER be outright banned. People should be able to come out with whatever they want. But does the industry have to aim that stuff at kids? If they kept their sights aimed higher, combined with parents who parented, the issue would be solved.

Warpmind> I wasn't aware that SJ and I were getting "aggressive." It's healthy discussion, the way I look at it. I'm not being offended by anything, and I presume SJ isn't either. Yeah, I've been getting into what I say, and so has SJ, but that's the fun of it, isn't it?

You wrote: "Though, personally, while I figure SJ to be maybe unnecessarily harsh in his choice of words, I'm with him."

Well... just please don't generalize matters. I would rather not think of myself as "opposing" SJ's view.

Book Banning Week> When I heard this on the news, I had my mouth agape for many a long minute. This thing is actually a NATIONALLY-RECOGNIZED OCCASSION? Sad, sad, sad.
Entity
Thursday, September 14, 2000 04:36:56 PM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

Hey guys!!!! Watch out!!! wizzing by!!! Hope I dont trample anyone!!! :P

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.> <<Deborah Chester>> Well she did...at least I think, might have been someone else, I'll have to look into that...let see....Ah ha! She has two other trilogys, one called "The sword, the ring and the chalice" and another one, "Ruby Throne" fantasy trilogy wich includes Reign of shadows, Realm of Light and Shadow wars...tho I dont know the order of thoses. The Synopsis are only slightly stimulating, but then again, I never trust Synopsis to beging with :P

Winterwolf> <not much of a studyer> lol Well, so far my "pay atention in class and not study" plan has worked well enough, and I hope it never fails me, I dont think i'd know HOW to study if I ever actualy had to :P

Eeekk!!! Gotta go!! BYE!!!!! *poof!*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 14, 2000 02:04:07 PM
IP: 136.145.83.189

****A window opens showing Kyryn about to punch DC's lights out. The screen flickers and goes dark momentarily. There is the sound of a scuffle. The screen brightens and Kyryn reappears, grinning broadly and massaging her knuckles.*****

****Warning: Slight Censorship Rant Follows****

Robby> "Bridge to Terabithia" -'fantasy worls that might cause confusion'- *double-take* Excuse me! Since when will the opportunity to learn new concepts or ideas (whether it's words or worlds) cause confusion? In that case we all better not go to school, should turn off the Internet, radio, and TV, and throw away any books (high sarcasm)!
Cannibalism in "Scary Stories" - Well, I can't say that I've ever read this one, but I seem to remember that good ol' Shel Silverstein had a poem in one of his children's collections called 'Me First' that has a cannibal king who is eating everyone up. Oooh! (more sarcasm) I guess that anything that insults or upsets anyone shouldn't be published. This former librarian and current editor is highly POed by all the attempts at censorship that are going on in the name of "protecting us" or "saving the children." Again, it comes down to responsibility: If you don't like it, you don't have to read it. You can turn it off or put it away. Yes, I don't like some of the stuff that's out there, but I dont' have to read it, watch it, look at it, etc.

****Slight Rant Ended****

*****The window showing Kyryn slowly fades to black.*****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, September 14, 2000 01:59:56 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

Censorship... I openly and fully oppose it. Because as someone else said I think, usually censorship is done so that adults don't have to take responsibility. In fact, in today's paper, there was an article about ABC (now DIsney owned) refusing to air COMMERCIALS for R rated movies before 8 PM. (Not counting Monday Night Football of course.) I'm fine with that, it *IS* Disney with bizarre Disney standards after all, and it makes some sense. WHat annoys me is that the article then gives quotes from "concerned parents". Listen (read, whatever) to these quotes and tell me if these people should really be raising children.

"I think it's a good step," said Crickmore, who has SIX children. (Empashis mine) "When those ads come on, it makes me very uncomfortable, and if it makes me uncomfortable, I'm sure my children are. They know what's being insinuated, and its more than I want to discuss with them right now."

*Blinks* Well, THERE'S a great policy. I don't want my kids to watch stuff because I don't want them to ever see anything involving the real world and have to explain it to them, but I let them watc TV anyway. Oii... Whats worse is she has SIX children, which means unless she's... AN interesting person, at least one of those kids is at least 8 years old, probably closer to 10. And she's still hiding the real world from that child? Eee... Scares me...

ANother quote.

"I want to protect him as much as possible," said Denise Cohrs, mother of a 2 year old. "Not to overprotect him, but I think I should be allowed to be able to make the choices about what he sees."

Nice speech lady. SO WATCH THE TV WITH HIM RATHER THAN LET IT BABYSIT THE KID IF YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT CHOOSING WHAT HE SEES! Oii, some people just irk me.

Then the article goes on to bring in a psycologist. "Studies show these kinds of images do influence kids. THese sorts of things glorify violence, makes it exciting and gives children mental imagery they wouldn't otherwise have. These ads not only stimulate kid's interest in such programs, but they also can give them nightmares."

Um... Suuure... Without TV, kids WILL be kids. They'll play cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, or in my case when I was a kid, Ninja Turtles and Shredder. THEY'RE KIDS! Playing and imagining are part of their nature! ANd ANYTHING can give them nightmares, including stories about the toothfairy and Santa Claws. Oii... Thi kind of reasoning just makes me sick.

In an entirely seperate but related article, the top 100 books people wanted banned in the 90's has been announced jus tin time for the annual "Banned Books Week." AMong the list is Harry Potter at 48, "because of its themes of witchcraft and wizardry." Urk. I guess this means the old television show BeWitched is bad now too... For those interested, the top ten books most wanted to be banned are

10. Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger, due to profanity, sexual referances, and being "centered around negative activity." (Cause you know, having a plot and stuff is bad.)

9. Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newton, since its a "skillfull presentation to the young child about lesbianism.homesexuality." (Wait, they describe it as skillfull? Okaaay...)

8. Bridge to Terabithia, by Katherine Paterson, due to profanity, disrespectful of adults and an elaborate fantasy worls that might lead to confusion. (Except for the profanity part, that description sounds like Wizard of Oz to me...)

7. "Forever" by JUDY BLUME (a very well known and respected children's author last I checked), because it is "a sexual how-to-do book for junior high students. It glamorizes sex and puts ideas in their heads. (Putting sexual thoughts into the head of a teenager, dang, that must be a difficult thing to do... I just can't see it happening.)

6. Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck, since it is "Blasphemous, offensive and contains racist language". (And its also part of our culture too. We've all heard the line "Tell me about the rabbits, George," before.)

5. The Adventures of Hucklebeery Finn by Mark Twain. Cause it um... Uses a certain word alot. "Offensive and racist language." (It was also written in a time when that language wasn't racist. Look at the context people...)

4. The Chocolate War, by Robert Cormier, since it "contains profanity, sexual situations and themes that allegedly encourage disresptful behaviour." (Hmm, never heard of it before. I think I wanna check it out now.)

3. I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou, because it "portrays white people as being horrible, nasty, stupid people." (Uhm... That's their ACTUAL reason for it? "It portrays white people as being horrible, nasty, stupid people? Sounds like a second grader's insult to me. And I sense some bias here... At least with Huck Finn they just said "racist" language, here they peg the group being insulted. Hmm...)

2. Daddy's Roomate by Michael Willhoite. Because it "promotes a dangerous and ungodly lifestyle." (Never heard of this one before either actually.)

And the number one book most wanted to be banned...

1. The Scary Story series by Alvin Schwartz! Why? Because it contains "violence, occultism and cannibalism"!

Uhm... Yeah... I read that series in like... First grade and I wasn't scared at all. There was violence in like ONE story per 40, and I don't remember any occultism or cannibalism. Granted, its been a good 12 years, but that just proves my point. Those books aren't going to scar children for life. I don't even remember much about most of the books on the list that I've read.

ANd basically, this just really irks me. I'm actually surprised that the Bible isn't number one on the list. After all, it promotes killing, fighting with your own family, violence, fanatasicm, sex, adultery, sin, talks a lot about the devil... ANd a lot of the time its says these things are okay some of the time! I'm confused.

Please, no one take offense at what I just said about the Bible, I'm just making a point. WHy is "Scary Stories" (A bunch of thin little books that are almost harmless) the number one book they want banned when the Bible is a HUGE sucker full of details on this stuff? (Outside of the fact its the basis of one of the big religions in the world.) It just doesn't make sense to me...

Eesh, that went longer than I expected... Anyway, I think that's more than enough ranting for now... Real post after school...
Robby
Thursday, September 14, 2000 01:07:15 PM
IP: spider-wl031.proxy.aol.com

Hmmm...weird connection today. I needed a lot of time to load the Room. I hope I'll be able to post at least...

Ok, now it is conclusive. I received my definitive destination and my leaving date. 4° Regiment of SAM Artillery, in Cremona. Cremona is less than 200 Km from where I live...that for sure is not a bad thing. I'll leave in 19th of this month, meaning next Tuesday.

Kitainia:> I'm really glad they got the jerks. And, although I am supposed not to do so, I can't help but enjoy the way your friends gave them what they deserved. I really hope your friend Shauna doesn't run in troubles for his exibition with the bow...;) I really hope that for you and Doug troubles are over.
About the traffic thing...well, I was a bit exaggerating...although, I have to say, not too much. Traffic is not particularily easy here normally, but in the G.P. week it becomes unnerving...

Guandalug:> Welcome here! I hope you'll feel all right in this asyl...er...Room...;)
<<<<At least we don't have those German racing fans.> So what about german racing fans? Most of the fans know how to drive (though I have to admit that traffic in Europe is certainly different to traffic in the US). I'm a 'racing fan' myself...... and I still live :)
If you are referring to that accident that happend in Monza - that was no fan but a professional driver......>>
I think I am responsible of this little misunderstanding. Kit was just replying to a comment I did last week. I live very near to Monza, and in my comment I half-jokingly complained about how my surroundings in the days of the race are "Invaded" by a lot of German supporters. With that, of course, I didn't intend to say anything about your countryfellows' attitude or ability in driving...I personally (and, I must admit, differently from many people here in Italy) have no particular problem with Germans. In my motorbike vacations all around Europe I had a chance to meet a lot of Germans, and I usually found them nice and good people. About the tragedy happened during the race...well, I hope you'll forgive me if I don't want to talk about it here.

Niamhgold:> Cider is Ok for me! ;)

Dreamie:> Welcome here!

Whitefang:> Welcome here!

Nadia:> Welcome here! A lot of new faces these days, isn't it? :)

No more time. See you all later.



Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:00:22 PM
IP: h255-22-50.mi2.albacom.net

****A loud pounding is heard on the walls of the CR, then an explosion. A hole appears and Kyryn steps through. "@&*#$&% DC wouldn't let the net work fast enough to load." She looks pointedly at DC, who runs frantically out the hole she created. She grins. "I'll get him later."****

Welcome to Nadia, Dreamie, and Whitefang!

*shakes head* - Only in Texas could we have 2 to six inches of rain and still "officially" have no rain. The other day it rained just about everywhere in the DFW area, except in the National Weather Service rain guage at the airport. (Puck and Coyote have got to be laughing somewhere!)

SJ> It all ultimately comes down to responsibility and the struggle for rights between the individual and the group. A lot of people will happily give their rights up and say "do whatever" to the government, trusting them to lead....until the garden path turns dark. *sigh* I wish more people would stop, think, consider where the roads are leading...the way you folks do. (BTW, SJ, could you watch the language level in the posts. No offense, but we are supposed to try to keep the actual cusswords off the page since the CR is supposed to be about a PG-13 level. *grin*)

Mary> Belated congrats on getting your DL!

Sorry if I missed anything, but this week RL is kicking me hard.

Later All!

****Kyryn heads back out the hole in the CR wall and magically seals it over after she leaves.****
Kyryn
Denton, Tx
Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:55:18 AM
IP: 216.35.46.129

mronin... oh, look at that... I'm so tired I can't even spell "morning" right... uuugh :(
This is the one thing about living in rez that is kinda stinky... the drunken frosh. And it was WEDNESDAY yesterday!! Yeesh! Get a grip, guys! If it was Friday and I didn't have an 8:00 class the next day then all would be forgiven but... rap music with waaaaaaay too much bass that STARTS playing at 3 in the morning is just NOT cool... (grumble grumble whine complain)
Oh well I suppose I'll live :)

As for your TV violence debate... I really wish I was up on my American news cause then I would have something useful to say... but I think that deciding what is watched on television in any given home should be up to the descression of the parent or guardian, just like, say, the purhcase of violent toys like guns is the decision of the parent. I think that too many parents use television as a "baby sitter" and that human interaction is sadly lacking in the world (as she types away on her computer in an internet chat room... :b~~)
When I was growong up, I hardly ever watched television. We weren't allowed to turn the TV on in the mornings on weekends (which is probably the root of all my obsessions with animated things...) and so I missed even the animated violence of the cartoon heros. Consequently, I am forever shocked at the things that come out on video games and the like that must be so destructive to a child (or adult's) sense of what is "right" or "normal" or "safe to do" that it numbs my mind.
Anyway, I hope that had some sort of relevance to your discussion. I must go now...
love
Nadia Komarov - [demios_277@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Thursday, September 14, 2000 09:53:43 AM
IP: dynrez216-3289.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

*Warpmind enters, scritching his chin.*
Yech... I hate getting no sleep until six in the morning, and then becoming rudely awakened from ten and onward... :(

Entity/SJ: Whoa, could you two just please try to tone down your aggressions a bit? Not to stop your debate, just... well, I wouldn't want to see name-calling, or anything. (Though, personally, while I figure SJ to be maybe unnecessarily harsh in his choice of words, I'm with him. It's not the movies that are the cause, it's the minds that are unstable to begin with. As can be agreed upon by the movie makers, FBI and the police psychological profilers...) If the media manages to twist the blame towards the movies themselves long enough, the public will start pressurizing their elected officials, and, eventually, a fully functional rating system will be flung straight into the porcelain, and we'll wind up with only being able to watch movies that have as much action and bloodshed as, well... no title comes directly to mind, because my criteria for watching a movie is generally that SOMETHING happens along the way... :| And, as SJ suggests, claiming that ANYONE is targetting children by using violence and sex, and henceforth blaming the entire industry for violence in any part of the world... well, can you say "Blame Canada"?

Welcome, Dreamie. Good to have another tar... poster here. ;)

Gside: You didn't get that joke. Unless you've read the book since your last post, that is. ;)

Winterwolf: Nah, no need for earplugs - the printer is surprisingly quiet. I can actually safely sit in the same room - three feet between my ears and the printer, direct line - without being bothered. That also applies to when I'm printing something. ;)

Well, gotta go. Gotta bleed my account dry and attend an auction today - with luck, I may stumble upon something valuable... like a rare book, for instance. Or maybe even an old coin. Can you say "Xanatos"? ;) Of course you can...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, September 14, 2000 07:14:12 AM
IP: mp-217-208-150.daxnet.no

GSIDE - Actually, that's why we did "Dark Ages" and "Timedancer" first when we were doing Season Three Breakdowns, as a means of delaying the question of how to confront the issue. I don't know yet how we'll deal with it in Season Four. For now, no real interaction between the two cycles is planned in Season Three.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, September 14, 2000 07:03:10 AM
IP: 216.87.46.45.dialup-stl.primary.net

**Winterwolf enters**

**SHADOWRIDER PARTY - This Friday 5PM ET to 9PM ET**
**Location - http://www.s8.org/chat/gargs/chatframe.html**
**Non Framed - http://www.s8.org/chat/gargs/index.html**

Hi! I'm back and feeling fine! I'm slacking on my welcomes... A big warm welcome to Whitefang, Dreamie (you get doubles) and Nadia!

Jessie Feff> So the cat's okay, that's a relief! I had forgotten to consider the possibility of her ingesting some of that goop when she grooms herself.

Kitainia and Doug> Glad Gus got what he deserved. Good riddance to bad rubbish! :)

Guandalug> I'm pretty sure I remember you. I was in the back of the auction room and you commented on the bidding wars getting quite pricey. Later I spoke with you again and told you the storyboard for the mirror sold for $805. That was you correct?

Mandolin> Jeers on the computer problems. Cheers if the guy has gotten scared and leaves you and our friends alone!

Niamhgold> <blowing away the cold germs> **HUGS BACK** I'm there for you 24/7! All in spirit but someday... who knows! :) <leaving the entire place to ME> Now that sounds like the prefect setup for a party! When can I come over? ;D <her boyfriend next to your bed> That's has to be annoying. I was never very fond of those types of arrangements myself. :( <classes> I know you're a workaholic but sheesh! I can see why sleep is so elusive for you! Please take care of yourself and get plenty of sleep! ^_^

Warpmind> I'm going to have to put on earplugs when I go to bed now or I'll hear that printer when you fire it up all the way over there in Norway! :D **kidding**

DPH> Renard was all for integrity. I'm not sure if he's who you were thinking of though.

Spacebabie> There's a new test at www.spark.com? What is it?

Dreamie> <doesn't know me as well as he thinks he does> There's no doubt about that! I only met you that one time and we didn't get to talk for very long! ^_^ <sanity is MIA> Yours too?! Mine went on sabbatical the moment I arrived in college and it hasn't been seen since! :)

RP> I'm planning on ending my RPing in the CR in the near future. I just figured I'd let you know.

******WARNING - BFTS RP******

Frost examines the twenty fully armed figures in battle suits rushing towards him. The sonic devices carried were a poor excuse for a weapon and the flame throwers were a complete joke. The body armor suits were somewhat impressive since he could not directly attack them hand to hand or with cold attacks. He decides to amuse himself by creating a thick blizzard to blind them with gale force winds to toss them around like rag dolls. "This is too easy!" He yawns.

The illusions distract the forces Winterwolf is facing so that he manages to get right next to one of the suited figures. He creates a blade of ice and swings to cut the weapon carried in half. Unfortunately as soon as he connects a massive discharge of electricity throws him back hard on the ground. Hitting his head hard he looses control of his illusions and they vanish. The Speed Stars run up to him and he creates a wall of ice to separate himself from his attackers. The wall is melted moments after it is created and then the entire area beyond where the wall stood is saturated with incinerating fire.

******END WARNING - BFTS RP******

I guess it's about time for bed. Good night everybody!

**Winterwolf exits**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Thursday, September 14, 2000 02:08:29 AM
IP: 1cust190.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net

OOPS. There's Spoilers in my last post that I forgot to tag. Of course, by now, they're not all that important, but I'm still sorry I forgot.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, September 14, 2000 01:02:58 AM
IP: dialup-209.245.233.168.dallas1.level3.net

so the government is scapegoating the entertainment industry, well if this ain't the south park movie come to life I don't know what is (if you saw Kyle's speech to his mother you'll get where I'm going with this) I don't know about you all but this whole thing makes me sick, if any of you are parents GET OFF YOUR LAZY @$$ES AND GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR KIDS! DON'T JUST PLOP THEM DOWN IN FRONT OF THE TV AND THEN SCREAM WHEN STUFF GOES WRONG
it's like what Greg Weisman said at the gathering "they won't show deadly force because disney wants parents to be sure that they can plop their kids down in front of the TV and not worry, if you're doing that at midnight when gargoyles is on, I think what's on TV is the least of your problems" ah well, I've said my piece, it's not like anyone will listen, if they did, they'd realize that the teen pop music is the exact same cr@p new kids on the block was doing 15 or so years ago *throws up his hands in exasperation*
shogun raptor
Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:28:53 AM
IP: user-38ldc0n.dialup.mindspring.com

so the government is scapegoating the entertainment industry, well if this ain't the south park movie come to life I don't know what is (if you saw Kyle's speech to his mother you'll get where I'm going with this) I don't know about you all but this whole thing makes me sick, if any of you are parents GET OFF YOUR LAZY @$$ES AND GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR KIDS! DON'T JUST PLOP THEM DOWN IN FRONT OF THE TV AND THEN SCREAM WHEN STUFF GOES WRONG
it's like what Greg Weisman said at the gathering "they won't show deadly force because disney wants parents to be sure that they can plop their kids down in front of the TV and not worry, if you're doing that at midnight when gargoyles is on, I think what's on TV is the least of your problems" ah well, I've said my piece, it's not like anyone will listen, if they did, they'd realize that the teen pop music is the exact same cr@p new kids on the block was doing 15 or so years ago *throws up his hands in exasperation*
shogun raptor
Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:28:42 AM
IP: user-38ldc0n.dialup.mindspring.com

I found out recently that my phone number spells the name of the head orc in the battle in which Thorin gainted the name Oakenshield. Fun.

Welcome Witefang.

Sev. Jr.> <<why don't the kids listen to quality music today? Like industrial metal?>>: Sorry, but that counst as the tamer corner of my brother's collection. I seem to have a taste for the older stuff.

Kitainia> Congratulaitons on having one of your problems mostly dealt with.

Todd Jensen> <<The closest that we'll get to in the future will most likely be crossover episodes>>: That would be kind of hard with the current schedule. I would expect time to progress at about the same time in parellel through the seasons, so there might be unaccounted continuity errors in such episodes of the series that is put out first (as of now, Pendragon).

Gunjack> Do I have a knack for getting people back in here or what? Maybe I should try a couple others, but I don't want to tempt fate.
<<Something broke in my head over the last few days>>: You can tell the difference? You did have your sanity removed after all.
<<do you think you could repost "Johnny comes marching home>>: Did it sometime this afternoon. As always, could you tell me when you get it, so the remus admins aren't too angry with me.
<<Ooo, and thanks for that Kefka bit! Makes me wanna play FF3 again>>: Not a problem. Though I do prefer the Japaneese numbering. It gets less confusing when you are also familiar with the translations.

Mandolin> Good luck with any future stalker incidents. M;ay you not need this luck.
<<Does ANYONE know which tape of "Monty Python's Flying Circus" has the Bruces sketch on it?>>: The Bruces was in episode 9 of season 2, "How to Recognize Different Parts of the Body."

Niamhgold> <<Er, um, I think I'll pass on what you're thinking about now>>: I probably wouldn't want to know either (or would I? A am male...). I wasn't really thinking of anything, just saying I could probably come up with something.

Warpmind> <<Unless you're a grumpy elf with a drinking problem, that is>>: Oh, well, in that case...

Shinigami> <<make sure the fates bless you with good timing and a good modem connection>>: Which is one reason why I think I will remain in university housing for my tenure at Rutgers. I love my ethernet. And not just in a platonic sense.

Welcome Dreamie.
And watch out, if you forget the http:// at the beginning of your link, it defaults to a subdirectory of s8.org/tgs/

Welcome Nadia.

Hmm. Three new people. Anyone else up for a full sanity removal? **goes into inventory and takes out a giant vacuum cleaner type object** Now, how did that fit in there?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:23:04 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Winterwolf> <<Hi Dreamie! Welcome to the CR!>> It's good to be here, Wolfie <grin>

<<The only ongoing rule is to deposit your sanity at the door! ;)>>
<sly smirk> He doesn't know me as well as he thinks he does. All have you know, wolfie... *my* sanity has been Missing in In-action for too many years to recollect.

Well, <glances at the rest of the room>
I guess this would be an opportune time as any to say
<puts on a large green Alien head, raising her hand in the air> Greetings!

Dreamie
Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:17:14 AM
IP: acab581f.ipt.aol.com

SJ> Thanx for replying (and you, too, Don for explainin'). I getcha now. And now I'm fired up about it, too.

I just got back from "The Cell," the best experience I've had in the theatre since "The Sixth Sense" and "The Matrix." I walk out of a lot of movies let down. I mean, there is just so much at work against you: ads that mislead you so you preconcieve in your head, the unwarranted overflow of information/footage they dish out ahead of time, etc. "The Cell" wasn't just a movie that was able to succeed on its own, it succeeded in spite of TONS of media attention. To boot, it stars Jennifer Lopez, who is -- come on -- rather distracting. And it's an FX show, which is also traditionally distracting. In the end, movies like "The Cell" wind up having no scripts, crappy directing in place of innovative directing, and no sense of pace.

Just do me a favor, if you haven't already: GO SEE IT.

Now, about what this has to do with SJ's topic. Well, it seems most of the critics hate it. They've been calling it all the things I've been calling its similar predecessors which I've loathed but I'll bet they've given four stars. The only positive review I've been able to find is Roger Ebert's.

***VERY, VERY MINOR SPOILERS***

All of the publicity has been on Lopez's "raunchy" portrayel of the Mother Mary. She is clothed HEAD TO TOE IN ROBES. _Raunchy_? What? Just because it's her it's raunchy?

And what's with that word, anyway? Everything is either "raunchy," "hip" or "high-octane." Is there some Hollywood manual that tells you what preselected adjectives you're permitted to use in reviews?

***END PSEUDO-SPOILERS***

In conclusion, the director, Tarsem Singh (whom the critics have also mocked because of his MTV background, just like they did with Michael Bay) and screenwriter Mark Protosevich (who'll probably achieve no recognition for his work) are genuises. No, simply COMPETENT.

Just one last thing:

SJ wrote: "Wow, Eminem is real popular with the youth of today, I guess that means our children will all want to
go out and beat up women and homosexuals, because that's who Eminem seems to dislike. It's utterly ridiculous."

Personally, I think Eminem is a pathetic piece of crap, and I cannot BELIEVE how popular he's become. And as much as I'd like to say I merely dislike him but don't disapprove of him, it's REALLY hard. I mean, face it: there are so many STUPID (the nice word is "impressionable" I guess) youth out there. I'll admit his songs are catchy (can he even take credit for that part, though, or does he have someone else compose the actual music for him?) but the content is just CRAP. Unlike murder and mayhem, disrespect for women and homosexuals is something a lot more "mainstream" and capable of being impressed. But I don't want them to not allow Eminem to make his songs, I want them to stop LIKING his songs so that the same end is reached.

"Satire" people have called it.

Looney Toons was satire. Eminem is just an idiot. He's the guy Offspring was mocking in "Pretty Fly," combined with every little turd in a "The Substitute" movie.
Entity
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:07:29 PM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

I'd just like to say that I really enjoy the work that you guys do. I have been interested in Gargoyles ever since the series came out on TV and I have been drawing gargoyles and other related characters for a very long time. I have read all of your on-line episodes (since I came to university last year and got a high speed internet connection...). It kinda makes me wish I had access to a scanner because I bet I could have fun submitting sketches :( oh well .
Anyway, keep up the excellent work!
Nadia Komarov - [demios_277@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:53:28 PM
IP: dynrez216-3289.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

**Winterwolf sees a special post and steps in for a reply**

Cool! Today just became a much better day...

Dreamie> Hi Dreamie! Welcome to the CR! **gently pulls Dreamie in** It's safe in here! I'm happy to see you make it in here! Hey everybody Dreamie is the winner of the G2K costume contest and has some really cool artwork and stories! Take a look at http://www.dreamie.org **smiles** Dreamie, feel free to post here anytime! The only ongoing rule is to deposit your sanity at the door! ;) It's great to have you here! ^_^

**Winterwolf steps out to type up the rest of his post for later**

Winterwolf - [awinterwoolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:43:42 PM
IP: 1cust190.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net

Shinigami: See, I told ya you'd like it.

Drop me a line sometime. :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:05:39 PM
IP: 216.28.101.57

<leans into the comment room, peering in cautiously>
Hey Winterwolf.... is it safe? <Meek grin>

Dreamie
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 09:14:45 PM
IP: acab581f.ipt.aol.com

*enters the CR, a LARGE cross-shaped object strapped to her back* We all have our crosses to bear... but mine can shoot things... * unwraps it and aims* Hee hee just call mew Wolfwood.


Coyote- FINALLY got to see Trigun.. now I know what you're talking about.. it's AWESOME. For a dub it's actually nice, voices aren't too irritationg and Vash... oh sweet sweet Vash...


Hee hee gotta love that Vash the Stampede.

Shinigami - Thanks for the BNL quote! Now all I gotta do is wait for someone to post it on Napster... Piracy forever! Arrr!

Oh I already have it from Napster... all ya gotta do is make sure the fates bless you with good timing and a good modem connection...

*hums her new favorite song*
Shinigami
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 08:36:42 PM
IP: spider-tm024.proxy.aol.com

*enters the CR, a LARGE cross-shaped object strapped to her back* We all have our crosses to bear... but mine can shoot things... * unwraps it and aims* Hee hee just call mew Wolfwood.


Coyote- FINALLY got to see Trigun.. now I know what you're talking about.. it's AWESOME. For a dub it's actually nice, voices aren't too irritationg and Vash... oh sweet sweet Vash...


Hee hee gotta love that Vash the Stampede.

Shinigami - Thanks for the BNL quote! Now all I gotta do is wait for someone to post it on Napster... Piracy forever! Arrr!

Oh I already have it from Napster... all ya gotta do is make sure the fates bless you with good timing and a good modem connection...

*hums her new favorite song*
Shinigami
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 08:31:30 PM
IP: spider-tm024.proxy.aol.com

Pendragon thoughts> I liked this week's ep. The art was a bit thin, but then again I only ever managed to get one illustration for Changeling Seed, so I have no room to talk.

My only complaint is a very minor one. The issue of abusive relationships is a ver y complicated one. Realistically, it probably would have taken longer for Jane to break away from her husband.
The limitations of a weekly series have to be taken into account, though, and in the time you had, you did a very good job. The only thing I might have really done differently was foreshadowing this episode a little more, which would have required introducing Jane sooner, which would have meant...

Anyway, minor quibble, very good story.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 07:29:26 PM
IP: dialup-209.245.227.216.dallas1.level3.net

It's not even halfway through September yet, and already the local grocery store where I do my shopping has Halloween candy out on sale. Talk about beginning your holidays early! I had a creativity demon of a few Unseelies in disguise noticing this and grumbling about how terribly commercialized Halloween is getting and how the humans are robbing it of its significance. (Which may have been partly inspired by a similar line of Buffy's in the Halloween episode of Season Two - the one where she, Xander, and Willow all get turned into their costumes - about whether vampires stay home on Halloween because they think that it's gotten too commercialized).

Thanks to everybody who liked "My Angel Brianna" (well, I didn't really have anything to do with it beyond serving as Editor for it, but since I've become by now more or less the unofficial "Head of Cycle" for Pendragon, I thought that I'd speak my bit on it). I'd like to think that this one does for spousal abuse what "Deadly Force" did for gun responsibility.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 07:12:02 PM
IP: 216.87.46.148.dialup-stl.primary.net

Mandi-- I just got a chance to catch up on the room somewhat- Ohmygod! Just reading that really scared me. you and your friends be careful!! Just because the bastard in question in laying low doesn't mean he's gone. I wish I could say or do more, but since I can't- be careful and Hugz- i know how scary that s**t can be.



jenna
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 06:59:07 PM
IP: 1cust32.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

First off I would like to give Coyote an honest thank you for accurately explaining the point of my rant.

The reason that all these idiot politicians--on ALL sides of the political fence--are crowing about violent or suggestive ads aimed at children is because of Columbine. Because Bill Clinton, aka the Greatest President Ever, decided to cave in to the pressure and order a probe when Columbine happened. Now they're saying that the ads are too suggestive. I'm saying I don't give a damn. Let them be suggestive. I still say that it's up to the parents to determine whether they let their child watch something, or listen to something. Even if a kid sees a clip of the Matrix, with Keanu Reeves blowing the bejeezus out of the Agents, and goes "Cool! I wanna see that!", than I still say that the parents should decide.

I'm at the point where I'm sick of everything being "for the children". This is a tireless ploy that every politician pulls out of his back pocket come election time. They have to have at least one issue every election that makes it look like they're doing something "to protect the future, to protect the children". As if there wasn't a MILLION better causes to support. How about the abortion of an educational system we have? I would think that perhaps the fact that American public schools suck (sorry Jannie, I'm not blaming you or the teachers), and that we routinely place well below most every other well-developed civilized nation on the planet in testing, would be more of a concern. But no, it has to be the entertainment industry. I'm sick of it. This is an over-reaction at best. Wow, Eminem is real popular with the youth of today, I guess that means our children will all want to go out and beat up women and homosexuals, because that's who Eminem seems to dislike. It's utterly ridiculous.

Call me cynical or think I have a political agenda, but I'm more than a little doubtful of the compassion of Bill Clinton or Al Gore. I won't get into Lieberman, because it's too easy. Lieberman IS for censorship, although he doesn't call it that. He's one of these guys who thinks that he knows what is best for us when it comes to what's on TV, or what's on the radio, etc. He fits in well with Tipper Gore. The two of them can spend a Friday night together putting warning labels on cd cases. Clinton and Gore are doing this not because, IMO, they care so much for the children, but because this is the right political move to do. They LOOK like they care for the children. It's crap. I'm not saying that the Republicans are any better. The reason that I mentioned Clinton and Gore is because they've seemed to grabbed this flag and draped themselves with it.

You are just missing my points about the two men--they're hypocrites. Of the hightest order. Bill Clinton, whether you think he's a good president or not, is NOT a man of morals. Unless you think getting a BJ from an intern moral. And you know what? I really don't give a damn that he did that. I just think it's rather hypocritical of him, a man of little or no morals, to suddenly turn around and shake a finger at the entertainment industry and say "You're being naughty." I don't care if he's doing "the right thing". Good for him, pleat in his cape. I think he's being a hypocrite.
And Gore? You missed my point with him entirely, but maybe I didn't make myself clear. That's a fault of mine. Gore is going around criticizing Hollywood now, claiming that they are targeting children with violence and sex. Yet he just received 13 million dollars from them. Yet he now says he would support sanctions against them. Yet they've given him all this money. You ask, "Why should he play favorites?" That's not the point. If he's so outraged at Hollywood's behavior, DON'T TAKE THEIR GODDAMN MONEY. How about that? Instead, it's "Oh, well, they're doing a horrible thing. But not so horrible that I'm going to give them their money back". To me, that's being a hypocrite. He wants to criticize them, but he's fine with taking their money, because hell, it's an election year after all.

I'm just fed up with this. I don't care if the government regulates the environment, or crap like that. But the one thing in this world that brings joy to my otherwise meaningless and pathetic life--movies, music, tv, the entertainment industry in general--they just HAVE to get their claws into. And that pisses me off. Just leave it alone. Do you realize where this can go? What road this can lead down? Censorship. Don't scoff at this. When the FCC and the other government goons start to get their hands into this, telling the entertainment industry what they can or can't do, than it can all lead to censorship. I don't think that's too knee jerk a reaction.

Of course, as the worst thing to happen to Monday Night Football.....EVER....would say, "That's just my opinion. I could be wrong."
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 06:47:53 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

13 more days til New Bufy and Angel, and SuperS

only 5 more days til the troll is shipped off.

DBZ I have to say the past two episodes hve been my favorite so far
1. We see Vegeta beefing up and Bulma worrying about him. I guess this is how romantic as it gets in DBZ but its romantic still
2.Goku and Piccolo driving, that was hilkarious

Sailormoon. They played the epp that they skipped. In the original the daimon did not have that green binkin, just the stars.

***************************PENDRAGON SPOILERS***************
Beautiful art work you guys and I'm glad to see Briana scare the crud out of Janes's husband, the SOB is going to get what he deserves and Jane is free
*******************************END SPOILERS*****************

SILVERHAWKS>>>Ok I have to say this...Melodia's laugh is sooooannoying, it chalks it up to being by Naga's and Emerald's laugh

Whitefang>> I was reading your post while watching Gundam wing so I wonder if thier is aconnection?

Mandolin>Ok that is good news

Lexxy>>Loved your poem

Sevarius Junior>>Dilandu?? Its voice reminds me of that evil kid from Cyber Six, of course evil kids freak me out, that and evil clowns. Started to read Harry Potter? Yeah the first one does seem to be aimed for a younger audience than the latest one, of course the characters are older now. My favorite characters are Hermione and the Weasly Twins. I know what you mean on the unholy trinity. I heard it on the radio this morning, another reason from me to vote for Bush.

GB>>Took the spark, I' a DREAMER, Submisive Introverted Abstract Feeler
ok see ya laterZ

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 06:17:00 PM
IP: user-37kaou6.dialup.mindspring.com

**ACCIDENT RELATED**
Any New Yorkers heard of a company called "B. F. Saul Insurance Company"? I really need to get a hold of them to work out a settlement for medical bills and car repair.

As a word of warning, do not drive a vehicle that is insured by an out of state insurance company that does NOT have a local office or local claim adjustor. It is a hastle to deal with them otherwise.
**END ACCIDENT RELATED**

Who was in that in the Gargoyles universe who insteaded upon integrity? That seems to be a point in today's society. Noone wants to take responsibilty for their own actions.

Hmm. Times change but human nature does not.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

There is no such thing as a benevolent dictatorship.

**BFTS RP continues**
DPH thinks a minute before summoning a thunderbolt attack against a Speed Star: "Do I want to risk killing another human being? Self-defense is ok, but do I want to burn the body to a crisp. That will definitely put me on the Speed Star hit list for LIFE. I hope I do not kill this idiot." DPH summons a thunderbolt attack against a Speed Star and . . .

Plastique notices a protective barrior around her, but has an idea. She decides to shoot a fire ball at a Speed Star. She creates the fireball and it is about to aproach the Speed Star and . . .

A bunch of Speed Stars see the 'living' stone cat and consentrate their sonic cannons on it. In a matter of seconds, the rock crumbles to pieces. Jason looks at the ground beneath those Speed Stars's feet and says, "Ice."
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 06:15:35 PM
IP: max1-25.cwy.cei.net

Entity: The argument that SJ is making basically comes from the fact that the recent push for tighter controls on the entertainment industry are the result of a Congressional probe that was a *direct result* of Columbine. It's still scapegoating, albeit so far removed from its cause that people have forgotten.
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 05:55:22 PM
IP: 216.28.101.141

This is essentially just in response to SJ's commentary/rant. Some points caught my interest. Everything that follows is in a conversational tone. I never got fired up or angry while writing this. I'm just making conversation, quite literally. I use Caps liberally, it doesn't mean I'm yelling or anything... (These kinds of mandatory disclaimers kind of go along with the topic.)

I guess I should start out by saying I disagree with SJ. (Duh.) On one hand, I wholy-heartedly side with him on Columbine. The way everyone unanimously overreacted was, and still is, sickening. I've been a long spiteful denouncer of all the ways in which my and others' priveledges have been encroached upon in the name of reactionary measures. Reactionary. That's all it was. But anyway...

I don't think that is totally comparable to this entertainment industry thing. Now, I don't know the specifics of Gore and Liberman's pitch, just the general idea, but from that I glisten that they are targeting Hollywood's method of using sex and violance to sell their stuff. That's not the same as sex and violance simply IN a movie. It's making a movie FOR sex and violance. In other words, cheap entertainment that's slapped together by hacks at the expense of REAl talent, with REAL stuff to show us. Maybe Gore and Liberman aren't making that distinction like I am, in which case: yeah, them bad, censorship evil, etc.

Just wanna point out a couple excerpts from SJ's post, just because they jumped out at me:

"...are you trying to tell me that a guy who spent his presidential term getting hummers in the Oval Office by a pig in an ugly hat is now crying that Hollywood is "too dirty"?"

And:

"He wants to bitch about Hollywood. Asswipe, you were just in Cali. They just gave you something like 13 million dollars. This how you repay them?"

I know you were just letting off steam, but these two sentences are prime examples of selective idealogy. Are you HONESTLY saying that because Clinton disgraced himself he shouldn't try to fix something that's (for the sake of argument) morally wrong? What a REALLY good President he'd be then. The Republicans would have a field day. And then saying that Gore shouldn't crack down on something that (again, for the sake of argument) is wrong because it's in a state that supported him? Do you WANT him to play favorites and not keep the best interests of the whole country above his own?
Entity - [cotleur@mediaone.net]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 04:25:47 PM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

*Warpmind enters, lugging an old Star XB24-10 pin printer.*
Yoohoo! Finally, I got a printer for my 486! And a pin printer, with virtually endless lifetime! My parents' ears will rue this day for aeons! ];)

Shadowrider: Maybe if we changed the terminology from "Subsidy" to "Loan", and made sure that if the movie-maker somehow failed to repay the loan... he/she would most certainly live to regret it for an extended period of time? ];)

Christine: Gaming at G2001? Hmmm... just in case I make it there (and I'm not yet volunteering to GM anything, mind you), what systems? Just so I know what to be prepared for... (I'd feel kinda dumb lugging a whole set of the funky RPG dice to a GURPS game...)

Gside: Well, you should. As should everyone in this CR. Actually, if we include anyone who has a slight hope, chance or plan to ever go to ANY con should read it... :) It is THE ultimate Con Survival Guide. Unless you're a grumpy elf with a drinking problem, that is... (In-joke. How many get it?)

Jessie Feff: Your description of a good childrens' book... ever read the classic "The Hobbit"? :)

Kit: Gus got busted? Great! (Wish I could have been there to see it, though. What with Shauna's archery skills and all...) :)

Gunjack Valentine: You know something? So did I. :) You're welcome, friend.

Lexy: The song was sweet... and while I doubt I'll be doing something like that, I'm not about to issue restrictions to such behavior. :)

**RP**
Warpmind gaped for a moment, then grinned.
"We got the Ragger? Excellent! My grandfather spoke infernally well of you! This just might turn out well after all!"
Raga Ragula stared incredulously at the human, as did most of the other demons.
"Uh, and come to think of it, he ALSO mentioned that you prefer to be called by your full name... sorry."
Ragula exhaled slowly, stroking his beak with his human-looking hand.
"Um, Sammael? Help me out here, will you?"
**RP END**
Sorry, couldn't help myself - besides, I had to do *something* but my creativity is somewhat at a brief standstill due to the arrival of my printer... Well, I gotta go. Gotta check in at The Place... got a toast to make, and some other stuff. :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 03:06:29 PM
IP: mp-217-209-111.daxnet.no

*smiles* thanx to all who took the time to read my sappy song to Kai.


Lexy
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 02:02:19 PM
IP: spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com

** Niamhgold enters **

Hey, all! I'm in a much better mood today, probably because I've been getting more sleep :) I apologize for that little rant I posted; I'd been on edge because of school work in the first place, and my roomie getting sick didn't help. Let's just say that a can of Lysol, a bottle of anti-bacterial handsoap, and my own stash of dishes, forks, knives, and spoons has put my mind at rest (mild exaggeration ;)

Just so you know, I won't be able to post these times of day: Monday, 4-10 PM (studio drawing class) Tuesday, 4-6:45 PM (Voices in writing/critical inquiry), Thursday 9-4 PM (Art matters/Elements of visual thinking), and Friday 9-3 PM (Sculptural forms). Next semester will be tougher since I'll be taking economics classes and a med course :) ('cause they're free!)

Favorite gargoyles ep: A tie between "Eye of the Beholder" and "Shadows." I like Xanatos in "The Eye," and I like Goliath going berserk-o in "Shadows" >:}

Winterwolf: Hang in there, buddy! And thanks for blowing away the cold germs (anything Lysol can't do, you can!) **Hugs** The cool thing is that both of my roomies are going away this weekend, leaving the entire place to ME! Yippie, I can be as messy as I want an not get yelled at!

Kit: YES! They caught that jerk! Man, I was hoping they would, and now we can rest so much easier knowing you'll be safe from this whacko :) And, yes, I _am_ relieved that they caught that rapist (however, though, there's probably about twenty more guys waiting to replace him :()

Shadowrider: I think cider sounds good, how about you? ;)

Christi: Congrats on Despair and Deliverance!

Gside: <Chocolate chip cookies> Er, um, I think I'll pass on what you're thinking about now... <civilization of germs wiped out> true, if you have potent enough alcohol, but rhinovirus is a trooper, and we're talking about mild beer. (Hmmm, maybe she'll just give the cold to her unsuspecting boyfriend, who is an utter jerk (and she never told me he was coming over until I walked in the room at 1 AM and he was sleeping next to my bed >:{))

Doug: As I said to Kit, I am highly relieved this ordeal with Gus is coming to a close!

Adios, amigos...
Niamhgold
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 01:51:56 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

Quickie post. I'm having SERIOUS computer problems, as the TGS staff knows by now... so I'm posting this from a lab computer.

Stalker situation> Well, the good news is that there have been no more sightings or incidents. We think this guy knew they called the cops - but didn't know they couldn't give the cops a decent I.D. I think he may have temporarily backed off, but the damage is done. Michelle's folks ordered her to come home until next semester (when she'll be back on campus), so that leaves Wendy and the cat alone in the apartment. I think Wen will be all right, but I hope this loser has the sense not to try anything. If he breaks in, I'm positive she'll be reporting a dead intruder to the cops. *sigh*

Spike> Congratulations! That's so cool!

My Angel, Brianna> Thanks for all the positive comments. The reason Jane's tarot reading was posted at the beginning was for Coyote and I to refer back to it... I thought it was erased in edits, but I suppose not. I had to do some serious research since I know nada about tarot. I'm also glad the connection to "Hazards" made sense; it wasn't exactly the same situation that Jane was in, but it seemed fitting. Glad it's been so well received so far.

A question for all the Python fans in the CR> Does ANYONE know which tape of "Monty Python's Flying Circus" has the Bruces sketch on it? There are 10 or 12 tapes out there, and I haven't been able to find which volume has that sketch. And we need to watch it for Airband this spring (evil grin). I'd appreciate it if anyone could help.

Kit> Glad to see Gus was FINALLY arrested. You know, Shawna reminds me of my friend Jen in some ways (especially with the archery). I hope and pray they never meet for all our sakes. :)

Harry Potter> Two of my friends were having this incredibly in-depth discussion over Harry Potter recently, deciding whether or not Snape should be killed and why he left Voldemort for good. One friend who'd never read the books was in the room, and just sat there and looked at us like we were nuts. Whether or not you think it's for adults, the series can get all ages wrapped up in it. :)

Dracula on Buffy> I hope he's not a one-shot, since he's not going to be the main villain. I would rather Buffy didn't stake him - perhaps he might back off for a while for some bizarre reason (just passing through the Hellmouth) to be saved for a recurring villain. I mean, with EVERYONE who's tried to open the Hellmouth in the past few years, the fact that he hasn't showed up yet must mean he has a reason not to.
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 01:35:36 PM
IP: 144.175.21.16

Favorite Gargoyles episode> City of Stone
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:26:14 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

Gside><<Hmm, Wilek's here, but what happened to Gunjack (or Sarge for that matter)?>> Don't know about Sarge, but I'm sitting at home trying to keep my brain from running out my ears... Something broke in my head over the last few days, and I'm currently SEVERELY mind%@&*ed. :P
Plus, the creepy dreams have started again. Had a particulerly ugly one the other night that involved xenomorphs, Homer Simpson, and a Stalin-era Russian matress factory/insane asylum... o_0
*glances at last week's mp3* Uh, Gside? Buddy? If I asked REAL nice, do you think you could repost "Johnny comes marching home? I was just saying last week that I needed to get that one... Ooo, and thanks for that Kefka bit! Makes me wanna play FF3 again...

Shinigami - Thanks for the BNL quote! Now all I gotta do is wait for someone to post it on Napster... Piracy forever! Arrr!

Warpmind><<Ladies, Gentlemen and regular CR posters, I present to you an artifact of immeasurable value: The Pear of Destiny. It has been sought throughout the centuries, but all previous searches have proven fruitless. ]:)>> *Valentine stares at Warpmind for a full five minutes, and them bursts into laughter*
'Mano, you have NO IDEA how much I needed that. Thanks! :D

Spike - Gratz on D&D!!!

GB><<One question. What's the controversy over Mononoke?>> One other question: WHERE THE HECK CAN I FIND IT!?!?? Noone down here seems to carry copies, and I'm gonna have to hurt someone if they don't fork it over... Anybody got any ideas?

Robby><<So, due to the non-promotion, limited theater release, constant video delays, release as a rental only and more, it just seems that Disney is trying to bury the film so no one compares the two.>> *switches to hypervoice* Can we kill 'em? Huh? Can we? C'mon, let's kill them! Canwecanwecanwe? Kill! *switches back (kinda* you mentioned that it had been released as a rental. Any ideas where?

*Checks his watch, leans back and yawns*

Well, looks like it's time to start the day... And after poking around in here for an hour or so, I'm feeling much better. Thanks, guys! see ya in a few...

Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:55:02 AM
IP: proxy.iad3.netsetter.com

*** Possible "Buffy" spoilers ***

So, Dracula is going to be the villain in the first episode. I'm a little fearful of this, since villains of the season premere have a habit of being killed by the end of the first episode.

But this is not some average vampire we're talking about here, this is Dracula... THE vampire. And while Buffy may be able to waste him at the end of the season, I doubt she'd be able to kill him in his first appearance.

Here's hoping that Dracula will be the season villain and not some second-rate one-shot villain.

*** End Spoilers ***

Doug and Kit> Congrads on the police catching that guy. I hope they go to jail. How long can they send some one to jail for those crimes btw?
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 09:05:14 AM
IP: dialin-592-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Kit&doug- My God!! I'm glad you two are alright, and they got those bastards! I'm keeping youall in my thoughts today, and I hope things will be decided in your favor. Hugz to both of you..

Children's books- actually I think some of them are better written than adult stuff- I love the Potter books- and I like to raid the kids section in bookstores! The art in children's books- and I'm talking the younger here- I find ususally to be stunning.

Love the RPs people.
jenna
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 07:55:21 AM
IP: 1cust50.tnt1.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

WHITE FANG - Actually, there are no intentions on our part of merging "Gargoyles" and "Pendragon" again as we did in Season Two - that was purely a byproduct of the cast in both cycles facing the same main antagonist - the Unseelie Court - and not something that we intend to make a habit out of. The closest that we'll get to in the future will most likely be crossover episodes of the kind that "Buffy" and "Angel" have occasionally done.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 06:55:26 AM
IP: 216.87.46.39.dialup-stl.primary.net

*once again delurks and steps out of the shadows*

Winterwolf> Yes, I was at the G2K in Orlando.....

Kitainia> <At least we don't have those German racing fans.> So what about german racing fans? Most of the fans know how to drive (though I have to admit that traffic in Europe is certainly different to traffic in the US). I'm a 'racing fan' myself...... and I still live :)
If you are referring to that accident that happend in Monza - that was no fan but a professional driver......

*scans other posts*

Favorite Episode> The Mirror - no question. No other episode has so much Puck in it...... and I like the little trickster :)

Favorite Disney Villain(s)> The Disney Staff for cancelling 'gargoyles'? :)

Well, that's it for today......
*steps back into the shadows and vanishes to lurkland*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 06:47:29 AM
IP: mailgate-b.ais-gmbh.de

**RP ALERT- DEALING WITH THE BAD GUYS**

"I don't believe it," Six of the Ten is saying as the screen comes on displaying the conference room in which he sits with Five, Ten, and Gothmenes (aka Eight). "One just vaporized Three right like that. It was crazy. All Three did was ask for vengeance, and One killed him. I'm worried." "Don't let One hear you say that," Five snaps. "He might vaporize you too." "One's just mad so many of us are getting bumped off," Ten sighs. "First Seven, then Nine, then Four…I guess he took his anger out on Three." Five nods in agreement. "It doesn't matter. Two and One will finish what Four could not. I'm sure of it." "As am I," Gothmenes concurs, standing up. "If there is nothing else to discuss besides Three's death, I must leave now, to handle another matter." "Alright," Five shrugs. "Later," adds Six. "Bye," says Ten. Gothmenes returns their farewells, then leaves the room wearing a deep scowl. A shapely demonic shadow falls into place beside him. "Soon, Father?" the half-human half-demon anti-paladin Ithaine asks Gothmenes with a cold smile. "Yes," Gothmenes nods, smiling himself. "Very soon. Once One is occupied, we can make our move. You can go ahead and get the power you need, if you like. I have some matters to discuss with Deavik and Synatia." "Tell them I said hello," Ithaine replies, then teleports away in a flash of light. Gothmenes grins proudly and does so himself.

The screen changes to Ted Turner's office, where the man himself is speaking into his telephone. "Guess what, Geraldine? I found the traitor," he declares with a smile. "It was Applewhite. That tip-off from your informant proved truthful, make sure he's paid well. Yes, he is being dealt with in an appropriate manner, don't worry. Now all that remains is to formally finalize the AOL-Time Warner merger and activate the Armageddon protocols, and our plan will be complete. I've sent word to Brown and Weakland, they're coming in to replace the associates that paladin cost us. Lord Che of the Red Sith has also made offers of alliance, I'm considering them. I think we should gather everyone for a meeting in a week or so to discuss how close we are to achieving our goals and what must be done next. Yes, I know the timetable is coming up quickly. Have you recruited the girls who will make up our counter to the Catholic Schoolgirl Scouts?" "I didn't recruit girls," Laybourne snaps in reply. "I recruited grown women, people very capable of what we require. Don't worry, I ensured that they all shared our views before I gave them the necessary powers. The individuals are Dr. Laura Schlesinger, Oprah Winfrey, Jenny Jones, Jenny McCarthy, Ricki Lake, Rosie O'Donnell, and Janet Jackson." "I thought Rosie was dead," Turner frowns in confusion. "So did I," Laybourne answers. "She claims she escaped from Hell, don't ask me how." "Ah, like Fieger," Turner nods. "I see. Good choices. I may have an eighth for you in a few more days. The female gargoyle I'm turning into my next mate is adjusting to her conditions well." He looks at the monitor beside his desk, smiling as he watches Asil trying to scratch holes in the walls of her cell once again and roaring in frustration. "As long as she's capable and loyal, I won't mind her joining," Laybourne says. "Keep me up to date on the progress she makes. Talk to you again soon, Ted." "Later," Ted hangs up. He then turns to the opening door of his office and smiles in greeting at the two animals entering. "Ah, Socks, Buddy, welcome. Please come in, we have much to discuss." The cat and dog nod and hop up on the office visitors' chairs as the screen goes blank.

**END FIRST BIT OF THIS POST'S RP**

Hi everybody. Good news. Gus has been arrested. <whoops loudly, cheers> It happened two nights ago- Shauna, Tricia, and Jammer caught him and a friend of his sneaking onto the complex carrying sledgehammers, cans of spray paint, and bags of sugar. They were looking for Doug's and my car, it should be obvious what they were planning. The car wasn't even on the lot, Doug had it since he was working, but the jerks were going to settle for another car around here that looks a lot like ours. I say were because just as they were raising the hammers Shauna put an arrow into the tree right beside them (my best girlfriend's a crack shot with a hunting bow. She's taught archery and if she didn't hate sports, she'd be winning Olympic gold. She was carrying her weapon while patrolling that night even though Doug and I tried to talk her out of it. She was just too afraid to listen. :). She then told them to drop the hammers and raise their hands. Gus turned and yelled at her to leave them alone, that it didn't concern her, but while he was doing that Jammer ran up dressed in his security outfit (he works at a club downtown) and declared they better do as Shauna said, that he "knew what they were about to do to that car." Tricia was already calling the cops at a pay phone nearby. Gus and his accomplice, a fellow drag rat named Stern Miller, cursed Jammer out and rushed at him with their hammers raised. He was ready and knocked out Gus, while Shauna put the other guy down with a shot to the leg. The cops then arrived and arrested them both once Jammer and Shauna had told them what had happened and what had been going on. They'll be in prison for a long time, hopefully. The cops initially gave Shauna a little grief about the bow, but with all of us vouching for her character and the guy who owned the car that got threatened volunteering the services of his mom (a very good local lawyer) for Shauna if the police tried charging her with anything, they decided to let it slide that she had been walking around with a deadly weapon. One of them understood right off she was using it responsibly for a good cause, the other two were sticklers for the law and had to be convinced. But it all worked out in the end. <smiles> I am so glad this thing with Gus is over now (or so I hope). Our prayers have paid off, thanks once more to everyone who has been giving them. Keep them up for a while longer, just in case. The cops are charging Gus and his buddy with harassment, vandalism, assault and battery (what happened with Jammer, and the baseball incident), and conspiracy to commit more of the same, but it's gonna be a while before we know if they're going to jail or not. They sure as heck better be is what I say. <grimace> The case hearing is scheduled for tomorrow, and Jammer knows the judge, so we should know soon how things will work out. <sighs> Keep up your hopes and prayers, keep your fingers crossed. Doug and I are doing the same. On to replies.

Dame Corax: Welcome back, old friend. I'd like to call you by your old name, but I'm not sure if it's alright. Is it? <shrugs> The new one works fine either way. I must say it is good to see you back here, I missed you a lot. I wasn't the only one either. :) Congrats on finishing high school and becoming an Arizona Wildcat, hope you will share some college stories with us sometime. I look forward to hearing them. In any case, I hope you will continue to enjoy the CR and all the friends who have been awaiting your return. :)

Christine: Good job on Guardians: Sisterhood. I really enjoyed the action and appreciate the character development. The dialogue was nice too, especially between Hudson and Amber. Looking forward to your next work, and more of Cobalt and his past in the stories ahead (would also like a pic!). Please convey to Becca my congrats on her first day of kindergarten, glad that it went well.

Mecord: Enjoyed Infinity Broken Part 2. Not as much as I did Part 1, because it involved fewer of the show's characters, but the events and development was nevertheless very well-written and entertaining. I did catch a few syntax errors and typos, as well as several points where things just seemed too overwhelming or confusing in details, but the former didn't happen too often and the latter were in all but one or two cases smoothed over enough to make things settled again. :) Keep up the good work, looking forward to Part 3.

Mandi: Sorry to hear your friends' stalker woes have been getting worse, I hope that they will improve soon. Somebody really needs to talk sense into that woman Helena and those police officers who accused your friends of lying. <shakes head> I'll keep the situation in my prayers till it seems to end, good luck with it. Thanks for your words regarding what happened with that Gus jerk (same goes out once again to everyone else who gave theirs). Like I said above, I really hope it is over now.

Shadowrider: You haven't seen bad traffic till you've been to Austin. We have a bad accident almost every day on the upper ramp of IH-35, congestion on the freeways is always awful, the back roads are so confusing and full of inappropriately placed dead-ends and one-ways it's impossible to take them around the traffic on the freeways, never-ending construction projects are everywhere…need I go on? The problems you've listed are pretty bad, but I do not think they're anything like what we have here. <sighs> At least we don't have those German racing fans. <shakes head slowly> Sorry you didn't pass the exam, better luck next time. Also good luck with your military service, I know it's coming up real soon. :(

Katara: Sorry to hear about you getting mugged, hope they get the jerks who did it. Glad you're not letting the experience get you too angry, I know I'd be really mad if it happened to me. Also glad you didn't get hurt too badly and the various people in your life are being understanding about things (the landlords especially). Surprised but also glad that someone actually enjoyed the latest Highlander flick.

**SPEAKING OF MOVIES, HERE'S A REVIEW OF NURSE BETTY**
Has anyone else been lonesome for a really good movie lately? Doug and I know we have. Fortunately, last Saturday night, our hopes sprang up. :) We saw a 9.9/10 star film, for which we point our thumbs to the heavens. We went into Nurse Betty without preconception and came out having enjoyed wonderful acting, an excellent story and script, a great soap opera plot, and many many many occasions to ROFL. Go see this movie now, you will not regret it. Chris Rock gives the best performance of his career IMO, ditto for Renee Zellwegger. Morgan Freeman, Greg Kinnear, and all the other stars also do an excellent job. I'd mention some of the better jokes, but I don't want to spoil them. Go see and enjoy the film as soon as you get the chance. Something has to keep us laughing since Bedazzled got delayed till October. <sigh>
**END FILM REVIEW**

Jaden: Do we remember you? Of course we do! <grins> Welcome back, we've been missing you. Hope your army service went well, please tell us about it soon if you can. It's really good to see you around here again, to say the least. :)

Niamhgold: I too am relieved they caught that rapist, thanks for letting us know about it. Glad that you can breathe easier now.

Mary: Congrats on passing the driver's test, hope you are able to maintain a good record behind the wheel. I'll be praying. :)

Robby: Strange what happened with your posts and laptop, hope you can get things straightened out and fixed somehow. I too like the villains you mentioned. :)

**SPOILERS FOR MY ANGEL BRIANNA**
Yet another great Pendragon episode, was glad to see it. Excellent artwork, and great character development on Brianna, Molly, and Jane. Also liked the bits with Rory, Griff, Leo, and Isfet. Hope we can soon find out more about the latter's past. The plot of this story was good, and Henry made an excellent character antagonist. Abusive relationships and the problems surrounding them were also described and showcased well, that was appreciated. Liked the dialogue also. Honestly can't say if I found a single mistake, except maybe putting the tarot at the beginning. That built up a lot of unnecessary suspense. For me anyway. <shrugs> Keep up the good work, TGS Staff, I will continue to follow along as it comes out. :)
**SPOILERS END**

Emmabu: What you did in that situation was indeed very brave and the right thing, I'm glad you weren't hurt too badly as a result of it. Hope you recover fully soon. Even more glad that you got a good new friend out of the episode, congrats on meeting her and I hope that your relationship continues to go well. Also hope your two friends are able to learn from their mistakes as far as what happened. <shakes head and grimaces> Good luck.

Lexy: Excellent song, hope Kaioto reads and enjoys it. Wish Doug would compose ballads like that for me, the best he can do is filks of other people's work that aren't that great. <sighs> I love him just the same. :)

SJ: Wild Arms is the videogame, right? Doug and I have also enjoyed it. You're right on the money once again with your latest political rant. <sighs> When will politician idiots (and the voters) learn? I hope to God it happens within my lifetime, though I have my doubts. :(

That's all for tonight, must sleep at least a little before work tomorrow. Hope things continue to go well in my life, all has been pretty calm recently and going alright with school and work. Doug's boss also got rid of another bad worker, one who was the type who only cared about money and didn't do anything to fix his mistakes on the job. The guy in question is working at another occupation that pays him more money now, unfortunately, but such things sometimes happen. <groan> At least things at his work are otherwise going well. Hope the hassles in all our lives calm down soon and we are able to handle them and grow stronger as a result. I'll be praying that it turns out so, for all my friends in here and elsewhere. Thanks to those who do the same for me and Doug. Until next time.

**RESUME RP- MORE VILLAINOUS SHOWCASING**

In Thailog's secret base, the door to the room CoraX and Stephen Franks are working in opens and a tall slender woman with short blonde hair sweeps in. She is wearing torn jeans and a scuffed Megadeth T-shirt, facial piercings attaching her glasses to her brows. "Hubba hubba," Franks whistles at her, and is ignored. "You called me for help, CoraX?" the woman asks. "Yeah, Nasty," the nerdish evil hacker replies. "Somebody messed up this complex's security system, we need to get it back online. There's a terminal over there you can use." "Right," Anastycia13 replies, walking over to sit down with unconscious swings of her hips and body movements that draw Stephen Franks' eyes like magnets. "Don't waste your time," CoraX tells him, noticing. "She can only get sexual satisfaction from viewing Internet porn, she's seen too much of it. She also was in the corps at Texas A&M." Franks grimaces at the last statement and immediately looks away. "I wish Tyl was here," CoraX sighs, going back to his computer. At another computer workstation inside Abdullah's mansion in Turkey, Tyl36009 is smiling at the monitor before him and speaking into a phone. "Good news, boss," he tells Abdullah. "Tell your impatient client that I just finished running the final tests. The program he wanted is complete." "Excellent work, Tyler," Abdullah says. "Your check is waiting for you." "What about Queen Noor?" Tyl asks, and is answered with an evil chuckle. "You'll get your chance," Abdullah declares, then hangs up.

Meanwhile in a motel in Minneapolis, Shap the paladin is delivering a rent payment to the clerk, who thanks him. He then walks back to the room he and Shauna have held for a while now, going back to waiting for their fellow Ravens to arrive in the city. Watching him from another motel across the street via a pair of binoculars is the demon Jerry Bennet. Present in the room around Jerry are the demon Bishop Galante and several humanoid creatures with sallow doglike faces and yellow skin wearing armor and carrying swords. "Wonder when the others are gonna show," Jerry shakes his head. "You heard from John?" "He's recruiting well," Galante nods. "He had to visit the dimension of RL to find people, since the Ravens have pretty much eliminated all their old enemies in this dimension, but he is finding them. Soon he will bring them here." "Hope he has a lot," Jerry growls. "We'll need an army to handle the Ravens." "The army you get had better succeed," a strange voice cuts in. "Otherwise you will not like the consequences." Jerry, Galante, and the githyanki frown and then gasp as they turn to see a large demon who looks like a gargoyle and yet not one has appeared in the room. Barbed spikes and green scales cover the horned creature's body, eyes burning with the fires of hell dominating his reptilian face. A long tail lashes the floor at his feet, large wings arch from his back, and a wicked-looking whip of barbed wire hangs from his loincloth's belt. "Geburah," Galante greets the newcomer as the githyanki whisper excitedly to one another in their strange tongue. "What are you doing here?" "Lady Synatia thought you were taking a while to do your duty," the cornugon devil answers with a smirk. "So she sent me to supervise. I also have a score to settle with one of the Ravens, something long past." "The cleric Orion Sanders, right?" Jerry asks. "Don't worry, we'll let him be yours." "Actually," another voice cuts in mockingly as the screen goes blank, "he will be mine."

**WE'LL FIND OUT WHO THIS IS AND SEE THE GOOD GUYS AGAIN NEXT TIME. END RP**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 04:49:01 AM
IP: pool-209-138-62-243.dlls.grid.net

**Winterwolf pops in**

I'm home now. I was going to write RP but I don't have it in me at the moment.

******SPOILERS - Pendragon: "My Angel, Brianna" ******

The current episode was a masterfully crafted story. The emotional impact really called out to me. Heartfelt congratulations to Coyote and anyone else that helped. I found every element to "My Angel, Brianna" was exceptional! ^_^

******END SPOILERS******

Emambu> <injury> I can't believe I didn't say this before! I hope you make a full and complete recovery in record time! <relationship> Be sure to enjoy yourself! With all of your virtues and strengths you'll be quite the ladies man if you aren't already! :)

Time for bed. Good night!

**Winterwolf pops back out**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 02:31:13 AM
IP: 206.15.120.147

Kitty-cat update > well, my cat seems to be fine, so I guess she didn't lick any of that kerosine. I was afraid she might have gotten some on her fur and licked it off before I could wash her. But she's okay. Nothing that has cut into her busy schedule of chewing holes in my socks. :) Some of the varnish got stripped off my entertainment center, tho. *sigh*

Robby, Zath > <Princess Bride> In retrospect, I probably should have realized at the time that Robby meant Goldman's version when he said "abridged." I'd forgotten that Goldman's book is actually referred to as the "abridged" version even in the title. However, I was a lil tired when I posted and Robby had made some reference to the "abridged" vs. the "full" version in his initial post. Since the only "full version" _is_ Goldman's book (the "full version" of _The Princess Bride_ by S. Morgenstern doesn't exist. _S. Morgenstern_ doesn't exist. Goldman made them both up as a part of his novel; an interesting approach to skipping over having to write boring bits :P), I got a little mixed up and figured he meant a movie adaptaion novelization type-thingy. Oops...lol.

<Five Children and It> There are at least three books about the kids and their adventures with various magical things they find. _Five Children and It_ is the first, of course, then there is _The Phoenix and the Carpet_, and after that _The Stopry of the Amulet_. All very good. I simply adore Nesbit! Her "Treasure Seekers" books and "Book of Dragons" are excellant as well. She's one of those good authors who write books about children, with themes that appeal to younger readers, yet she doesn't talk down to them or dumb her writing down like a lot of children's authors do...thus making her a good read even for an adult. Speaking of which...

SJ> <Harry Potter--Great book for kids, entertaining enough for adults. But adults shouldn't be reading these books. If you have kids, it's great to read to them. But as adult entertainment itself? Naw.> Why not? lol...I have always believed the mark of a really well written "children's book" is that the author respects the fact that kids might be young, but they're not stupid; thus they write in a fashion that has an ageless sort of appeal. A good "children's book" is ideally just a good book in general, with themes that appeal both to the young and the young at heart. Many of my favorite books are "children's books." And remember...for all intents and purposes, Gargoyles is a "children's show." How many of us here are under the age of twelve? ;)
Jessie Feff - [feff@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 02:10:24 AM
IP: ctrts2-2.mrs.umn.edu

Here's hoping my browser isn't still loopy and posting to the PREVIOUS place I visited...

Whitefang- We're working very hard on the third season of the main cycle right now actually. (This season unfortunatley suffered a VERY drawn out breakdowns period so we're behind schedual a bit, but I think the final product will be worth the wait!). With all the work going on behind the scenes and a good deal of luck, it'll be ready to air in a couple of months, shortly after Pendragon ends. I myself am writing and illustrating three stories... As far as new recruits... We need them, but at the moment we're not really taking applications due to the fact bringing someone up to speed near the end of production would be difficult and complicated. Once we've wrapped up season three of the main cycle, we'll probably do a recruitment drive of some sort, in much the same way we did near the end of season two, where we'll look at writing/art/editing talent as well as enthusiasm. Keep checking the CR periodically, and when the time comes, we'll let ya'll know.


Robby
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:23:22 AM
IP: spider-te022.proxy.aol.com

***BEGIN RP***
Kitty looked at her sister Kari with concern. Lines of worry formed upon her brow. "What is it, Kari? What's wrong?"
Kari looked down. She squirmed a little. "I don't know. But it's my powers. They've been acting very weird lately."
"How so?"
"I...I never asked to get these powers. They were just sort of thrust on me way back when Sevarius Junior gave me that pretty necklace for a present....but I've always enjoyed being the Avatar of Athena. But lately, I've felt...I don't know, weak. A little less stable. The last time I changed...you know, into the Avatar....it *hurt*. Nothing I couldn't handle, but.....I-I'm scared, Kitty. Something's happening to me and I don't know what it is."

Sammael, SJ, Dyspare, Warpmind, the Borg Administrator, and any other characters the author has unfortunately forgotten stood looking at the 6 demon warriors that had stayed to fight the Ten. Rather, what was left of the Ten.
"Okay," SJ was saying. "So some of you guys turned chicken and bailed. I can understand that. It's not as if I want to spend my day fighting god-like aliens with a mad-on for destroying my planet. But who's left?"
"Yeah," Sammael chimed in. "Belzelk, we know you and Gigamantis. Who are the others?"
"Fine, if you want, I'll introduce the other contestants," Belzelk muttered. He hated to be questioned about anything, and was getting cranky. He jerked a claw at the other 4 demons. "This beauty contest winnner is named Nelgault." A large demon stepped forth. He was covered from head to toe with blue reptilian scales, with a large yellow patch covering his chest and belly. He had sharp claws on his hands, and two enormous horns jutting out of his skull like those of a ram. A mohawk of blonde hair ran down his head to the middle of his back. He snorted in greeting.
"Our next soldier was Prom King at Mephistopheles High School (359 B.C.). Gaunt, say hello to the nice fleshlings." Gaunt was a dragon; or rather, a demon who looked remarkably like a gray-colored dragon. Except, instead of a thick scaly hide, Gaunt, true to his name, looked like what a dragon skeleton might appear to be if a thin layer of skin was draped over its bones. Its eyes glowed deep red, and in a high, airy voice, it admonished Belzelk. "You're just jealous I beat you in Track that year."
"Yeah, well, I have stubby legs. The big SOB over there is Angol Moa." Moa was indeed huge--a large, greenish beast that was also covered in scales. Moa looked like some sort of insane cross between a dinosaur and a tortoise. The end result was massive; Moa had to be 12 feet tall at least, and clearly weighed several tons. Still, he nodded his hideous head, and in a suprisingly cultured voice, greeted them. "Good day, sirs. I do hope I shall be rending flesh by your side."
"Oh do knock it off, you priss," Belzelk snorted. He wiped a claw on his tunic. "And the last demon soldier....well, um....he's a really great guy."
Sammael blinked. "What?"
SJ's brows furrowed. "When did *you* turn all complimentary?"
"Every since I'm standing a dozen feet away from a guy who could melt me into ash with a gesture," Belzelk replied. He pointed to the final demon. "That's Raga Ragula. Do NOT piss him off. He's the baddest bastard in the whole lot." Ragula was certainly the oddest looking of the bunch. On the one hand, he appeared to be a tall, lean humanoid with well-developed muscles that rippled throughout his bone-white fleshed body. On the other, he appeared to be a skinned chicken. His head, mostly normal, was beeked, and deep pits held his cold eyes. He never made a sound, but stared at the heroes and nodded.
Both SJ and Sammael found themselves shuddering involuntarily.
***END RP***

Cybercookie to the person who recognizes the video game I'm ripping all these demons off from!

Well, it's been a couple days since my last post, so I think it's time for a little Political Commentary. Or maybe you can count this as a RANT.
I want all of you to forget Jerry Falwell / Pat Robertson / and Jimmy Swaggart. We have a *new* unHOLY TRINITY. They are Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Joe Lieberman. Get out your best pre-fall of Communism oppressive music.
I'm sure that some of you probably know where I'm going with this. This past week, the Federal Trade Commission released a report claiming that movie and video game companies target children with advertising for violent movies and games. And so what has happened now? The unHOLY TRINITY, Bill, Al, and his pal Joe, have warned Hollywood and the entertainment industry in general to clean up it's act, "or else." Al Gore has even gone so far as to say he would support sanctions against the entertainment industry if they continued this behavior. Sanctions, people. Bill "Clit"on supports this as well.
Could somebody please explain to me when exactly it became the government's job to "protect the children" from the evils of the big bad entertainment industry? I'd really like to know when the government decided that, instead of doing things the correct way, which would mean actually allowing parents to decide what their children say or play, they have to step in and give the industry a rap on the knuckles with its legislative ruler? Jesus, this is Columbine all over again. "It wasn't 2 screwed up mental cases who caused all of that death and carnage! It was Marilyn Manson and that damn Doom game!!!" Jesus, I'm SO friggin' sick of this. Now it's up to the entertainment industry to protect the children. They DO NOT have the responsibility. They shouldn't. The parents do.
All I can say to these 3 schmucks is, what the hell is wrong with you? What is this, an audition for the 3 Stooges? Clinton has no room to talk. Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, are you trying to tell me that a guy who spent his presidential term getting hummers in the Oval Office by a pig in an ugly hat is now crying that Hollywood is "too dirty"? Bill, do what you do best--go screw another fat intern. Lieberman I expect this from, since there's one political policy that he hasn't flip-flopped on--he loves CENSORSHIP. I expect this from the lunatic who thought "Friends" was too racy for the 8 o'clock hour. But Gore? He is the *ultimate* hypocrite. He wants to bitch about Hollywood. Asswipe, you were just in Cali. They just gave you something like 13 million dollars. This how you repay them?
I'm so sick of this. I'm just fed up. I'm sick of the entertainment industry being the scapegoat for society's ills. TV doesn't screw you up, YOU screw yourself up. It's like when people go "Drugs ruined my life." No, *you* ruined your life by taking the drugs. It's just ridiculous. People want to blame the entertainment industry. You don't like what's on the TV? Turn it off. Or go watch Touched by an Angel or something. Just stop pointing fingers. Or better yet, point those fingers at yourself.

Ah, that was cathartic...On with some other news....

The Tribe Has Spoken. You've Been Voted Off the Planet.: Just when you thought reality TV peaked with "Survivor", they've come up with something infinitely more bizarre.
Mark Burnett, the genius / idiot behind Survivor (it depends on who you ask), has developed a new reality based show. It's called "Destination Mir", and the object of this show? To get voted off the planet. Literally. Contestants head over to Russia and engage in astronaut training. Eventually, based upon their performance, real live cosmonauts will decide which individual is best suited for space travel, and that person wins the prize--a 10 day round trip in space. They will become, for a brief time anyway, a real cosmonaut. Then their ass is shot into space.
I really must say.....is this wise? I mean, it'd be one thing if this was NASA. But it isn't. It's RUSSIA. That country's so broke-dick that they barely have enough money for toilet paper. And after the problems with the space station Mir, would you really want to be shot into space on a Russian aircraft? If I ever leave the planet, I want my transportation stamped "Made in America".......or maybe Made in Japan. Probably better if it was made in Japan, actually....but you get the idea.

Stan Lee Engulfs the Universe: Well, sort of. The dumbest thing Marvel ever did was let this guy go. See, Stan "The Man" Lee had a lifelong contract with the company, but ever since the morons in suits over at Marvel screwed everything up financially, they let him buy out his contract, which meant he could do...well, pretty much anything he damn well pleased. So he opened stanlee.net, put up a few web-cartoons, and the man is now God.
Not only has his web-cartoon "The Seventh Portal" been optioned as a big-screen movie, but he's just recently purchased the rights to the Conan franchise. By crom, we may be seeing a Stan Lee Conan film in the future.

Buffy News: Just a quick update on the first episode of the new season:
***SPOILER***
Yep, Dracula WILL be the main villain of the first episode. And, if rumors can be believed, he has his way with both Buffy and Xander.
And when I say "has his way" with them, I mean he lays the smackdown on them. I wasn't implying anything other than that. Get your mind out of the gutter.
***END SPOILER***

Domo Arrigoto, Mr. Potter: Okay....technically that's misleading. That was my attempt at Japanese when I wanted Chinese. But I don't know any Chinese, and like hell I'm drawing one of those funny little pictures.
Anyway, Harry Potter is going to be translated into Chinese. So all those good little boys and girls growing up in Communist China will be able to read all about everyone's favorite boy wizard.

I actually have a stunning revelation to make: I read the first Harry Potter book. And my verdict? Not bad. Great book for kids, entertaining enough for adults. But adults shouldn't be reading these books. If you have kids, it's great to read to them. But as adult entertainment itself? Naw. Still--not a bad book. Pretty decent.
But let's get one thing straight: "Fight Club" kicks Harry Potter's pasty-white British ass any day of the week. That novel is pure genius. I have a copy sitting next to my Bible.

Football: It's 2 weeks into the season for the Redskins, and guess what? I am officially jumping off the bandwagon. That must be a record for me--2 weeks. I just don't have it in me anymore this season. We lost to the Lions Sunday, when we SHOULD have won, and now Michael Westbrook is out for the season, and Dion "Past My Prime" Sanders is whining cause he's got a bad wheel. Poor baby. Don't get me wrong--I still think we'll make it to the playoffs. I just refuse to get my hopes up anymore. I'm off the bandwagon.
Is it too late to start cheering the Rams? Those guys are gonna win again this year! Whoo hoo!!!

Music: Rap? Urban? Country? Bubblegum Pop? Jesus, why don't the kids listen to quality music today? Like industrial metal? Backstreet Boys can't hold a candle to the quality dirges sung by Stabbing Westward! ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:21:27 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Greetings All,

I'm a new fan of the Saga, and have rather large questions. Before to that though, I'd like to give everyone involved a great deal of thanks for breathing life and wonder back into such a rich universe of people and stories. I'm a writer myself, so I know how hard that can be! There's some really great works being done here for the sheer love of storytelling and that's the way it should be, but often isn't. So...thanks!

With that said, (steps down off soapbox and replaces mini-bullhorn into pocket) onto the questions: 1. Does anyone have any word on when we'll see more of Goliath and Company? While I like the Pendragon storyline, the idea of the Gathering of the Clans proposed by Goliath at the end of "Seeds of Change" is intriguing, and I think it would be a shame to let it die on the vine, as it were. Has a decision been made to permenantly meld the Pendragon/Gargs storylines, as was done for a good deal of the second season?

2. What about Timedancer and Dark ages?

3. How does one go about contributing to the Saga? As I said, I'm a writer, and would love to help out!

Thanks for taking the time to read the rambling of a long-winded relative newbie. (Trust me, I know how irritating we can be at times!) Any information--whether answer, suggestion, or text-based raspberry--would me most welcome, either posted to the board or sent to my inbox.

Best to all,
Whitefang
Whitefang - [nob665@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:42:15 PM
IP: 24161243hfc207.tampabay.rr.com

lexy- that was a great poem!! I loved it- made me teary eyed-

Christine- thanks! *blush* I am glad to see others here doing good too- yes- garg fans take over the world- *ahem* yes well, I can't wait to get my hands on "chicks" it sounds hilarious-- and i love that older scifi- I was born too late!

Thanks to all who wished me luck with the writing project- It keeps me very very busy- I honestly dont remeber ever being this busy- I start the day early, and keep running until late- well i'm not bored!

SJ- cool about lone wolf and cub
jenna
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:31:14 PM
IP: 1cust55.tnt4.stafford.tx.da.uu.net

New Pendragon: **SPOILERS**Once again, very nice work. The dragon seems too nice to be Isfet, and it is good to notice that this still is a nonstatic universe.

Mrs. Morgan> <<Bimbos of the Death Sun>>: I probably really should read that soon, though I have other plans for my next literary purchases.

Rodlox> <<anything at Absolute Zero is Not Moving. {do atoms freeze?}>>: Solid: solid has the greatest tendency to resist forces that would alter its shape; thus its shape and volume are fixed and are not affected by the space available to it. Liquid: Unlike a solid (and like a gas) a liquid has constituent particles that are free to move past each other rather than being fixed in a given shape or position. Therefore, no movement means solid. Solid means frozen. The frozenness of atoms depends on its bulk properties, therefore, I consider atoms frozen if a group of them would be solid.

Naimhgold> May you heal sooner than the expected two weeks.
<<guess the old pass-the-bottle ain't so fun>>: That reminds me of a scene in HHGtG where a highly developed civilization of germs on a towel was wiped out by being wiped on a bottle of some strong alcoholic beverage.
<<keep Jell-0 out of the conversation and just stick in some chocolate-chip cookies>>: Are you sure you want to know what I could come up with to do with chocolate chip cookies? And does anyone else think chocolate chips should also be in the candy aisle (as well as the baking need aisle)? They make such great snacks.

Emambu> Congratulations on the choir and the girl, and may the wound heal as well as expected. Maybe you even scared your friend sober (which I would consider a good thing).
<<I'm definitely heading over to Gino's>>: That reminds me, I haven't been to Gino's East in Chicago in a long time. Anyone else been there? They almost encourage graffitti.
<<Maybe we should start a Spanglish chat room>>: Then one for Chingrish (to practice understanding the engineering and comp sci TAs) and maybe even one for Franglais.
<<most of the security guars in main Freshamn dorm rooms>>: Security guards? The closest we have to those is preceptors who ask to look at your keys.
<<Tips hat to Winterwolf, Gside, Bronx, and other potential Giants fan>>: I don't really pay attention to sports, but if you asked me my team at gunpoint, I'd say Giants, if only for proximity. Though I have played at a Jets halftime.
<<don't ask me how some of the stuff up there got past security in the first place>>: I've heard stories of kegs being pulled up the side of buildings with pulleys. Then it got stuck in the window, sprung a leak as a preceptor was passing beneath (whose firts sight was a stream of yellowish liquid from above).

Warpmind> <<You're seriously telling me you HAVEN'T read Bimbos of the Death Sun yet?>>: Yes, I seriously haven't read it yet.

Fire Storm> <<if ya go back far enough, we are pretty much all related (without the biblical ties)>>: Yes, Lucy. And I think females' mitochondria has been conclusively proven to be all related.
<<a good remix COULD be done with standard instruments or whatever.>>: Maybe with clarinets, flauts, oboes, and basoons, but I don't really see it.
<<Rap/Urban/Teeny-bopper..../Country>>: Check, check, check, check. And a double check on anything my brother has in his collection.
<<breaching a winshield of a plane at 30K feet is a bad idea>>: Natch, but I was just pndering the dirction of the bad idea.

Anasatis> <<a lineup of chick flicks! I think the rest of you should do the same>>: I think I'll pass. Maybe some mindless violence (with gratuitous half naked (possibly wet) chicks) would be nice.

In honor of a discussion I had in the vanilla CR, I am putting up an mp3 that sounds (to me) completely noble, with no destruction. Though it is in 7/8, which tends to destroy musicians. For those who want it, come get Stravinsky's The Firebird (Conclusion). And it looks like I have exactly 400k taken up in my remus account. Odd that it would be a round number.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:28:26 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

****TGS SPOILERS****

My Angel Brianna: This was a great story. I loved the character developement given to Jane, Brianna, and Molly. It was very interesting to see Isfet's reaction to Jane's situation, I hope we get to see her past regarding such situations. The illustration was well done.

****END SPOILERS****
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:08:52 PM
IP: dial-318.ocis.net

**Winterwolf pounces into the room**

I'm still at work! I thought I'd take a little break and post. :)

**PARTY - This Friday 5PM ET to 9PM ET**
**Location - http://www.s8.org/chat/gargs/chatframe.html**
**Non Framed - http://www.s8.org/chat/gargs/index.html**

Ana> <crying> Jalapeno! I can't have you crying! **grins mischievously and bats Ana playfully a few times with his tail** I'll have to go to your place now for sure! ;D <directions> Of course I need some directions… I'm always happy to get email if you want to send it that way! :P <Ambrosia> I don't remember you mentioning Ambrosia before this week. Is she a friend of yours?

Emambu> <party incident> Ouch! I'd say you are very brave. Like Shadowrider points out there is a big difference between being brave and being foolhardy! <impress the girl> I think she would have been interested in you anyway. ;) <friend> He made some big mistakes and I hope he learns from them. <choir group> I'm happy that worked out. When do you get to go for the elite tryouts?

Caliope> **blushes after all the attention and pinching** You made my day! ^_^ <not much of a studyer> Yeah I know how that works! It describes my college experience too! ;)

Guandalug> Hi Guandalug! Did you attend G2K? I think I know who you are if you did…

Shadowrider> Okay we have a time and place. Be sure to check it out I think it is a good place for a party! :) **envisions the chaotic fun**

Lexy> That was beautiful!!!!

No RP at the moment. Maybe later tonight? I have to get home now! Bye!

**Winterwolf zips out**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:57:08 PM
IP: 206.15.122.13

**enters simply**

Thanks to everyone who've given their stamp of approval on "My Angel, Brianna," though the credit does not lie solely on my shoulders ... Mandi did a great job as the co-writer on this story, and Robby was instrumental to the formation of this episode as it came about. Thank you once again!

Stephen: Yeah, yeah, you gotta root for your Bucs and I gotta root for my Lions. If my guys win on Sunday and they *still* haven't scored an offensive touchdown ... then we're *definitely* going to know this will be a bizarre season. :)

Lexy: **reads poem and waters up** Anybody mind if I cry now? That was ... beautiful ... **whimpers, sobs, and cries hysterically for a few minutes before continuing**

Dame Corax: I'll be looking forward to it. And thanks for your feedback. :)
Coyote the Bando - [tazcaddy@vivavelocity.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:24:51 PM
IP: 216.28.101.106

Coyote> Wow!!! What a wonderful new story for TGS! That was very powerful and emotional, and I really loved how Brianna truly was the 'angel' to Jane. That was such a moving story. You did an excellent job, and the artwork was great, especially on Brianna. Good work! :) I promise to e-mail ya back soon...I've been kinda busy, and I'm just now catchin' a break. Talk to ya soon!
Dame Corax
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:13:13 PM
IP: guilder.telcom.arizona.edu

* de lurks for a second*

Lexy> awww.. thats so sweet! ^_^ ::is a sappy romantic::

GB> ::hugs and kisses:: I've been here! Where are you?

New Pendragon ep> Havent read it yet.. going to do that now!

*presses the magic lurk button again*
Bronx
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 09:08:34 PM
IP: spider-th041.proxy.aol.com

A song dedicated to the one I love... NO not Lexington! *LOL*

Every night when I close my eyes all I see is you
And when know body seems to care I know inside you do
And even though I feel that your at least a world away
It wont be long before I live this blessing everyday

You've taught me how to love myself
You've taught me how to live
You've shown me more in faithfulness
Then I thought one man could give
You are my gift from heaven
You are my man to be
I cant believe someone so strong
Found strength in one like me


It seemed to be just days ago I lived my life alone
Was it really two full years ago I met you on the phone?
I came online to make some friends and learn a fact or two
I never dreamed I'd find someone as wonderful as you

I still remember the years I spent without you in my heart
It never did occur to me I'd been miss'in my better part
But now I cant imagine, a life without your grace
Its clear now where I do belong within this time and
space

You've taught me how to love myself
You've taught me how to live
You've shown me more faithfulness
Then I thought one man could give
You are my gift from heaven
You are my man to be
I cant believe someone so strong
Found strength in one like me

If patience is a virtue, and absence makes you strong
Then our love must be greater then most that been and gone

So what is time between us? My love, I'm always here
I know your waiting for me, and that time grows ever near
Soon I'll walk the isle, and take your hand in mine
I'll wear your ring and bare your name until the end of
time

You've taught me how to love myself
You've taught me how to live
You've shown me more in faithfulness
Then I thought one man could give
You are my gift from heaven
You are my man to be
I cant believe someone so strong
Found strength in one like me


Ya..I know..country...Ah well..

Lexy
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 09:03:58 PM
IP: spider-wl022.proxy.aol.com

Jenna > if you can find the book (Bimbos), it's a great read! A little shocking since it was published in days that seem so foreign to us -- before the Internet, before there was more than one Star Trek series, when D&D was the only game in town! Best of luck with your writing projects! It's great to see so many of us starting to make good!

Emambu > I'd love to see the poem. And glad you're doing okay after that scary ordeal! A friend of mine was once in a similar situation, except he got it in the back. Hope you mend soon.

Gaming at the Gathering > okay, I know there's several of you in here; we are going to be looking for GMs to volunteer to run games at G2001! Fabulous prizes to be won, fun to be had, etc! Keep watching the G2001 page for updates!

Christine - [<----- G2001 link!]
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 08:40:43 PM
IP: 15-119.009.popsite.net

Emambu> No toonDisney!?! I feel for you! I went eightteen years without and Cable at all! and as of this sat. I will have Cable an d TOONDISNEY! But don't despair my friend you can join Winterwolf, Ambrosia and I in our nightly parties! You may choose to come in the physical like Ambrosia or the...not so physical like W.W.! Either way you will always have a place on my couch should you want it!

Well, nothing much to say today! Classes start up thurs. so I only have a few days of freedom left! But Tomorrow is my day off so I should be rejoicing right!?! ...Ever feel like work is just somethin' ya do to keep from being bored out of your mind?

I think tonight I'm gonna treat myself to icecream, p.j.'s and a lineup of chick flicks! I think the rest of you should do the same (movie choices may vary). Tonight, all the relaxation is on me! That's right, It's been a long week and you all deserve a break, a real break! So everyone take one night off from your worrys and responsibilities and the WHOLE WORLD! Curl up on the couch, pop in your favorite show and let someone else do the dishes! I know my body and mind really need a rest! Maybe yours do too. (and it's fun to loaf around even if they don't) Enjoy your night of relaxation all!

*Pulls a masks over her face and prepares to kidnap and Rescue Emambu from a life without Toondisney!*
Ana - [Anasatis]
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 07:18:36 PM
IP: 1cust18.tnt2.hemet.ca.da.uu.net

Hmm.

**PENDRAGON SPOILERS**
I am beginning to think that Brianna's human friend has a big minor role in the plot of this season. Very moving episode.
**END PENDRAGON SPOILERS**

Here's my saved topic: If your life story were published as a work of fiction, what kind of reviews would the plot get? I confess right now, somebody would say the plot does not make sense and there are too many loose threads to be tied up.

Brooklyn, please try to balance RP with your post.

**BFTS RP continues**
As DPH is being surrounded by Speed Stars, he looks around and spots a motorcycle. He summons a thunderbolt attack against the motorcycle and it explodes into flames. All Speed Stars within the vicinity look around around and notice the destroyed motorcylce.

While starting to be surrounded, Jason looks around and spots a large stone statue of a dog. Connect says to Jason, "Let me show you a really interesting spell." With Connect's help, Jason bring the stone statue to life in front of the Speed Stars. Jason thinks, "Cool!".
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH - [dph_of_rules]
AR, USA
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 06:41:18 PM
IP: max1-19.cwy.cei.net

Greetings all...

Callope > I didn't know that Deborah Chester wrote anything other thsn "The Alien Chronicles"... Will have to be on the look out for her new works.

Don > Hate to say this, since you're a good friend and all... but, I hope the Silverdome's ready t'be boarded come next Sunday! As much as I like to see other teams win, I hae to give my Bucs all the support in thier meeting with the Lions... ths year, more than ever, Tampa HAS to make good and at least get into the Big Bowl come Janury.

Spike > Christmas? Well, I know one more thing to add to my wish list this year... :) Wonder if this production company would be interested in taking a few of my short stories for a project?

Will talk to everyone later!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 03:44:26 PM
IP: proxy-333.public.rwc.webtv.net

Pendragon story> great! Favorite Disney Villian> Scar
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 03:01:17 PM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

A quick one tonight, I have an a date and I'm risking to be late...

Warpmind:> Well, I think that Coppola, Tarantino and Spielberg have no real need of governative funds...;). More seriously, I can understand the intentions of governments in giving funds to movie makers: this way, they intend to give to some talented director those economical means he could never purchase otherwise. Here in Italy the politics of governative funds actually did allow some (few) talents to be known. Unluckily, they were a little percentage. I am not totally against governative funds, but a bit of common sense is needed...you can't simply give a pack of money to anyone comes and says "I want to make a movie".

Green Baron:> See above...

Robby:> Mononoke thing: A little episode, just to add some datas...well, Mononoke arrived here in Italy about...hmmm...in late March, if I remember well. It was supposed to arrive for Christmas, mind you. Anyway, in the first week in my town it was shown only in one theater (and not of the biggest ones), with little or no publicity. In spite of it, the success was almost immediate, so that the theater's direction (it was a multi-screen theater) already in the third day of projection had moved Mononoke in the biggest room. The public success kept on increasing in the following days, so the Italian distributor decided to show the movie in several other theaters, and after two weeks from the premiere Mononoke was in a twenty theaters in my city (no other animation movie had ever such a distribution). Well, it didn't last long...after four days of projection, in fact, the movie...disappeared. All the theaters that were showing it suddenly replaced it with something else. The decision was so sudden that many newspaper were not warned, and do they reported that Mononoke was still on screen, when it was no more. I remember that a couple of friends of mine, to which I had suggested the movie, went to see it, and they found at the theater they had chosen a crowd of people protesting because of that sudden change. And I was told that the same scene happened in many other theaters: there was a lot of people who wanted to see Mononoke, and couldn't do. Now, I don't want to make conclusions...but maybe someone suddenly realized that Mononoke was having *too* much success...

Niamhgold:> Well, thank you for asking...:)...for the cake, chocolate hands down...while for the drink...hmmm...well, I love cider, apricot juice, cold tea (lemon, please) and ice coffee...

Winterwolf:> Thank you the same...I think I'm a bit touched...
So, it is gonna be Friday? Good...it is slightly better for me. :)

Emambu:> You say you usually are not brave? And what do you mean with it? That you don't use to drive at 100 mph in the traffic, or that you don't leap into any rumble you can find? But it is not cowardice to me...it is wisdom. Courage, I mean real courage, is shown only when it is really needed...and you did exactly that. You were not involved, and you could pay your business, but you didn't...you instead risked personally to avoid the situation to become more dangerous. As far as I'm concerned, it is real courage...I'm only sorry that you had to suffer for that.
About the fact you decided not to make your friend be expelled...well, for sure you know him better than me, so you can judge. Probably he did that just because he was drunk...but someone who carries a weapon at a party, and goes drunk anyway...well, it is a behaviour I don't like. I use to drink very little, right because of I know I could become dangerous if I ever get drunk. Anyway, as I said, he's your friend...and maybe the shock of what he did will be enough to prevent him of doing again.
Anyway, I'm glad to know you will not have serious consequences for your scar...and that you found something good in that situation. I wish you good luck for your new relation...and keep us updated!

I wrote more than I intended to...I have no time to proofread it, I hope I didn't write anything too strange...

See you!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 03:01:11 PM
IP: h213-20-86.mi2.albacom.net

***PENDRAGON SPOILERS!***

Coyote: Very nicely done! May Jane be well, and may Henry find a new hubby in prison. <VEG>

It was wierd... I had some glimmer of abuse in my dream last night, and this morning I read the TGS story.
I tell ya, I am able to see glimmers of the future more and more.
I just hope some glimmers do NOT come true.

***END SPOILERS!***

Emambu: <Wasn't the last name of VanBuren's secrety of state named Forsyth also?>
Probally just conicidence.
I just figured that from what Green Baron has said about his family, it was entirely possible.
Heck, I get the same thing about a Ford dealership and a pastor with the same last name.
But no one ever mentions the steel company.
Go fig.

Green Baron: <Captain Keith Forsyth>
Cool! Although, if ya go back far enough, we are pretty much all related (without the biblical ties).
Hell, my grandmother basically tied us to the entire British Monarchy! (if ye go back far enough)

Gside: <It just sounds wrong to remix a capella with high tech instruments.>
Agreed. BUT a good remix COULD be done with standard instruments or whatever.
But better to leave well enough alone, no?
<Or most other currently well recieved genres, either.>
Rap
Urban
Teeny-bopper (big breasted ladys or effeminate males) crap.
Country
<Does anyone know that a hole in the front of a jet really will depressurize, or do they move fast enough to have an increase of pressure?>
*FS pulls out a engineering book*
Well, if the plane is going near or above mach 1, and there is a shock wave from the nose cone, it is entirely possible that there will be a pressure increase.
But I think that if a front cabin window was compromised, there would be a increase of pressure, at least due to wind at just about any speed.
Although, if there is no rear exit for the air, wind will not flow too well...
And that could just lead to a buildup of pressure...
But at 30K feet, there couldn't be too much pressure, even at mach .75 (crusing speed for a 777)
Either way, breaching a winshield of a plane at 30K feet is a bad idea.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:13:56 AM
IP: 07-059.008.popsite.net

Jenna and other Lone Wolf and Cub fans: You'll be happy to know that Dark Horse will be publishing all of the old Lone Wolf and Cub manga stories in trade paperback format. The first volume comes out tomorrow, the 13th. They run for about $9.95 each, which is a bargain if you ask me. Hell, the way they keep upping the prices, regular comic books will cost 9.95 a pop soon (cause all that paper is just SOOOOOO expensive).
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 09:57:02 AM
IP: 129.174.163.29

Emambu> It's a pretty sweet ride compared to what I'm used to, too. My first car was a 79 Corolla that fell almost completely apart before I bought another one. The Sentra (91, I think) wasn't a lot better. It had a slow oil leak I could never find, and it was a little cramped (I have big friends). I like this one much better. :)

Now for something totally different:
Any of you folks who are both comic book fans AND Role-players, I've been thinking about trying to write up the DC "Tangent" universe as a game supplement. The only down side is that if I ever wanted to see it published, I'd have to do it in the new DC D6 rules, and they look very ugly to me. Oh well, I'm off to read the new episode of Pendragon.

See ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 08:58:33 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*steps out of the shadows he's been lurking for quite some time now*

Greetings from germany to all of you out there, wherever and whatever you might be. I know I don't post here as often as I should, but at least I'm lurking :)

I've got a question for the TGS-Crew: Would it be okay with you if I open my (up to now 'secret') TGS-Mirror-Page to the public?

I have to admit it's not exactly a real mirror, for I did change the stories... or better: I did change the HTML. The changes I did are minor..... mainly replacing some 'special characters' used by Windows (characters that weren't displayed properly with my Linux) and putting all stories in a common formating (background, size, Headlines etc.). The stories itself are unchanged - I wouldn't dare to touch the contents.

This mirror might now replace the long-time-absent Khatt.net mirrorpage. I will make it's address public if I get the okay from the staff.

I tried to reach the staff with the EMail-Address stated on the webpage, but there was no answer....... I do hope this forum fares better.

Just BTW: Keep up the good work.... it's a pleasure to read this stories

*turns around and vanishes in the shadows* Always remember. I'm lurking around.... :)
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 08:22:25 AM
IP: mailgate-b.ais-gmbh.de

Hello hello! :P

Not much time...I think:P Lets see how much damage I can do :P

GreenBaron> Yeah, here`s what I figure, I have till the age of 25 to study practicaly for free in this college, so I`m taking ALL the classes I want to before leaving to the next college I`ll go to :P

Winterwolf> <<Roswell>> I dont really like Tess too much, she`s too sneeky :P <<Classes>> I do enjoy taking classes tho I`ve never been much of a studyer :P But especialy the art classes I can take, and ALL I can take till I`m 25, then I`m outta there and on to the next :P <<cute>> Yes you are!!! *pinches his cheecks* :P *HUGZ back*

Emambu> lol yes, please be flatered, cuz thats what I ment by it! :P ANd a Spanglish chat room would be great! I`d feel so at home! ;)

I gotta go! Forgot my watch at home this week and I`m so disoriented! :P Bye all!!! *HUGZ all and skips out*
Caliope
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 08:11:34 AM
IP: 136.145.174.39

*Warpmind enters, grinning wickedly.*
Well, I've just worked out a gruesome pun, and out of concerns for my own well-being, I shall refrain from telling it here. Trust me, it would be too painful for non-Callahanians to endure. ]:)

Spike: That link... Christmas? *Bounces along with Spike.* I MUST have that one, too... *Sigh* Oh, the money, the pain... :|

Green Baron: Such a concept is not too radical in Europe. Except for the people who make movies, of course. ;) Supply government funds for museums and public television, but for God's Sake, keep the money from the so-called "artists"!

Gside: You're seriously telling me you HAVEN'T read Bimbos of the Death Sun yet? :) Oh, wait, Christine already revealed it... :)

Niamhgold: Aw, I sympathize. Really. I had a roomie once who was the same way as yours... he was genuine proof that "there's nothing as sick as a sick man"...

Oooo, new Pendragon ep. :) I'll join the orderly stampede once I'm through posting here. :)

Emambu: The international rates seem somewhat fixed - at least from Europe to USA, never mind WHERE in the US. As for my means of travel - with my calculations on cost-efficiency, I've left the FedEx option dead and buried. :|

Well, I gotta go... read the new story. See ya.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 07:49:46 AM
IP: mp-217-210-245.daxnet.no

*Emambu slowly enters. A few members notice the distinct limp on his left leg. However, others are puzzled by the wise grin on his face*

Hi everyone. Sorry I haven't been around much. A lot has happened in my life this past week, and there are other things looming on the horizon. I guess I'll just take it one day at a time.

Frankly I don't know where to begin. This week has brouhgt me much pain (physical) and much joy (emotional). For starters, I got into Pitt's elite choir group after a week of auditioning. A lot of the veterans told me that I was in pretty much from the get go, but it's still nice to have it confirmed. Also, I automatically get to tryout for the elite acappella (sp) group. I had my first round of auditions. I think I did well. The tryout song was "Blackbird" which I sang last year (in my Touring Choir) as a senior in high school. Of course, assuming I passed this, there will be another round later on the week. All in all though, I'm glad I got in.

Now I guess I should talk about the party since a few of you gave me well wishes and hopes that I would have a good time. Well, I'd have to say that I did and I didn't. For the most part, it was a freshman party (though a few upperclassmen showed up). we barricaded off a floor in one of our dorm buildings (Towers actually), brought out food, music, packs of cigarretts (fortunately I don't smoke), and of course... alcohol [sarcasm]because no freshman party is complete without underage drinking[/sarcasm]. Anyway, I spent most of the night with this one girl who I'd met previously but never got a chance to introduce myself. We talked, we laughed, we shared various stories, and generally got to know one another better (and we both stayed sober). Long story short... I like her, a lot. She's smart, she's funny, she has a wonderful personality, and after a while I'm beginning to think that the feelings are mutual. At about that time however is when things took a turn for the worst. Two of my friends at the party got pretty hammered. Both of these kids are pretty violent drunks so I'm doing my best to keep away. Unfortunately, they decide to argue over something (I still don't know what it was and neother does anyone else), and pretty soon the words turn into pushing and shoving. Before anyone can stop it, my one friend pulls out a knife on my other friend. The knife is pretty thin, but it's also long. I decide at that point that I don't want anyone to hurt, so I step in between the two of them. I talk to the one who has the knife and tell him to put it away. I then turn to my other friend and tell him to back off, that it's not worth it, etc. All looks well and then the friend who was threatened with the knife, makes one last jeer at my other friend who was holding the knife. Angered once more, my friend makes a drunken lunge at my other friend with the knife. I push my friend out of the way, but I myself do not get out of the blade's path. The knife cuts right into my leg (about mid-thigh), slashing it width-wise. The party is instantly halted. I'm on the ground now in a lot of pain, and my leg is bleeding a lot. Very quickly, I'm helped off the ground, and one of the upperclassmen at the party drives me to the nearby hospital (UPMC) which is less then two blocks away. After a wait, the doctor examines my leg, wraps a bandage around it, and tells me that I was very lucky. Apparently, the blade knicked an artery in my thigh, which is what caused the copious amount of blood. Had the blade been half an inch deeper, there was a good chance that it would have been severed completely. I was a little unnerved by this, but the doctor assured me that there was little chance that it would have been fatal. He told me that I was lucky in that I could have lost a lot more blood, passed out from it, and then I'd have to stay in the hospital for a few days. Since that didn't happen, I was given a cane and released that night. The friend who stabbed me felt truly awful, and was almost crying because he was afraid I was going to get him expelled. Lucky for him, I'm not that spiteful. I did tell him though that he is paying the medical bill though, and any future bill that pertains to this injury. If he did this, I wouldn't feel the need to get him expelled and possibly arrested for assault and underage drinking. He felt that was more then fair. So, did any good news come out of it? Well, yes. For starters, the blade was thin so the cut healed quickly. Another week and all that will be left is a small scar running across my thigh. I should have full mobility of my left leg by then too. For now though, I limp but I can get by without the cane. The other good part was that the girl I was telling you all about, thought that what I did was really brave. She now think I'm a noble and courageous person (which is kind of funny because I'm usually not brave at all). So we're basically going out now.

Like I said, it's been an interesting week. I'm happy that I got into Pitt's elite choir group, and I'm happy that I met this girl whom I really like (and who returns the feeling) even at the expense of a slashed leg. I gues sit;s on to the replies now:

Zath: Keep your hopes high. You may very well end up in LA this summer. I'm almost certain I won't be going becuase my parents will want me to get a job, not waste time at a cartoon convention with people that I don't even know (those were their words, not mine BTW). And yes, you're theory makes good sense.

Warpmind: You sure the rates are the same? I know that mailing something to Tokyo and then shipping by mail into Hokkaido is a lot cheaper then mailing it directly into Hokkaido. I figured the US would be the same way (greater distance = more money). Besides, I wasn't seriously suggesting you mail yourself to Philadelphia although there's plenty to do in the city if you know where to go. You have most of Center City for the aristocrat in you, Delaware Ave for the party goer, and South Street for the part of you that's into somthing... different (I guess that would be the most polite word to use). :) In addition, we have great cheesesteaks (I'm definitely heading over to Gino's when I go home over Thanksgiving break). Glad to hear everything went well with the Dentist (in that it wasn't that severe). Too bad they still have more work left. Good luck

Kyryn: Ah, the fact that it's a member of the Corvid family makes the most sense. I guess I just got confused becuase I've never heard of Bluejays reveared as tricksters. It's still a great looking picture regardless (lots of detail).

Caliope: Hmm, My spanish is better then some of those who speak it as a first lanuage eh? I'm not sure whether I should be flattered by the compliment or concerned by it. Probably the first one. :) Maybe we should start a Spanglish chat room. :)

Gside: What I find odd is that our bus drivers are crabby and anti-social, yet most of the security guars in main Freshamn dorm rooms are pleased as punch when you talk to them. Shouldn't that be the other way around?

Niamhgold: Thanks again! I look foward to those pics when you have some time to send them. Just to let you know, you shouldn't always believing everything you're instructor tells you *Emambu limps over to his fifth grade music teacher, "You said I would never be a singer, Mr. Heitzmann. You said I should quit. Well, I think I've done far better then you ever thought I'd do, you negative jerk. I blame you for my success!"* Sorry, had to get that out. Seriously though, I see no difference in drawing, whether it be toons or other. It all requires a degree of skill, patience, and time. I've only seen one of your pictures but it looks very good. You have a talent. Stick with it.

Coyote: Yeah, you're right but I never liked the Cowboys (sorry to all you dallas fans, no offense). And since we don't always beat them, it's nice to be surprised every now and again. Of course, the Eagles didn't play half as well as they did last week again a team that was twice as better. The results speak for themselves. *Tips hat to Winterwolf, Gside, Bronx, and other potential Giants fan*

Kitainia: Thank you. Your well wishes did not go unnoticed or unappreciated. Now, I extend my own wishes that you and Doug are able to deal with the situation that's been handed to you. This Gus guy sounds like a wimp who hides in the corner and only lashes out when he knows he can get away with it. I'm sure if you met him on a level playing field, he would not be as bold to try some of stuff that he's pulled. I hope you are able to deal with this guy swiftly and with the least amount of wear and tear on your own bodies.

Fire Storm: Wasn't the last name of VanBuren's secrety of state named Forsyth also? Coincidence? (well, not if I got the name misspelled) :)

Christine: I have one poem to my credit though it's not lovecraft. If you want I send it to you. If not, that's fine too. BTW, you're a great writer so I don't think any of us are going to stop comlimenting your books anytime soon. I think the fact that we give them such praise is a testament to your writing skills and not your swollen head. :)

Winterwolf: Yes, the verdict is in. Thank you for you support. Honestly, it was very much appreciated. Also, Friday would be the best time. I have classes on Thursday during starting at 5:50pm and going until 8:30pm. I'd miss most of the fun if it was on Thursday.

Shadowrider: Tough luck on your exam. However, there's always next time *gives an encouraging shout* I can't wait for your send-off party. I'll have to bring a face shield with all the cake that going to be flying around. :)

Daphne: I'm probably too late but you could always do the Al Pacino's end speech in Scent of a Women. :) Wait, that might not fly. Also, if you don't mind I'd love to read some of your poetry. Just click on my e-mail link below. We could even swap. I'll send you my one piece. :) *shrugs and grins* I said I love reading poetry. Doesn't mean I can write it. :)

Books: Off the top of my head (at 3am no less) some of my favorite books include, Call of the Wild, Wateship Down, Mists of Avalon, Fahrenheit 451, Childhood's End, 2001, The Great Gatsby, Cold Mountain, Heart of Darkness, and The Prince. The worst book I ever read would have to be The Cape Ann. I detested that book for the fact that nothing happens in it, and for the fact that I was forced to read it in 8th grade.

Mandolin: That's terrible. I hope everything works out. Keep us up to date. We worry (well I worry anyway).

David G: Sounds like that car is one sweet ride. Then again, almost anything is a sweet ride when compared to what I'm used to driving. :) Congratulations again!

Mecord: I'm glad you got the comments for part 2 of you story. Hope you enjoy them.

Aaron: You're right. But like I told Coyote, the Eagles don't do it that often so it's always a nice surprise when it happens

SOROW: Two years, really? Let us know when you hit it, so we can all celebrate.

Katara: You were mugged?? The important thing is that you're ok, but still... I hope they find that guy.

Archwolf: No, it was in Tower A (don't ask me how some of the stuff up there got past security in the first place). Also, no I have no yet had some of those things happen yet (though I was tempted to see that Andy Warhol exibit), but I do agree that Oakland's a nice area. Are you from the Pittsburgh area or do you go to college here?

Detroit Lions: I know they're 2-0, but have they had an offensive touchdown yet?

Wilek: Hehehe... Steel Clan Crow! ROTFL :)

Doug: Check you're e-mail for comments on NotS 2. I'll send you an outline of my story after I refine it a bit first :) Thanks again for offering to help. Best of luck to you dealing with Holder. I hope he hasn't tried anything yet. it sounds as though you and Kit have enough on your hands, what with Gus acting like a jack@$$. I hope the situation is resolved quickly.

Jaden: Six months eh? Well, I don't know you then but welcome back anyway! :)

Mary: You passed your drivers test? Coolness!! I don't know why but I always thought you were in college, not a senior in high school. Ah well.

Ana: Congrats on getting Toon Disney. Now, I'm envious because I don't have it. :)

Spike: That's excellent news! Christmas day huh? I'll have to mark it on my calendar. Congratulations!

Brooklyn: HEY! I missed you man. So where did you vanish off to? BTW, did you get my comments on the newest part of your story? If so, I hope you enjoyed them. Good to have you back. Now of only I could figure out where Cyborg went...

I that's everyone. I hope you all have a good week. Take care (and I apologize for any typos), *Emambu limps away, grin still plastered on his face*


---Emambu
Emambu - [emambu@commandchamber.net]
Philadalphia, PA, USA
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 03:52:58 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

WinterWolf> YEEE! We'll think of you at our Gargoyle Parties every night! I promise! WE'll be sitting watching Gargoyles and eating icecream and crying because Winterwolf isn't there watching with us! I Swear! ;) Someday my friend...someday!
Ana
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 02:01:56 AM
IP: 1cust239.tnt4.hemet.ca.da.uu.net

**Winterwolf pops his head back in for a second**

Shadowrider> I can do no less! I want to make sure we celebrate this big step in your life. You'll be greatly missed here and we'll look forward to anytime that you can spare a few words with us as well as an eventual return to the CR.

**Shadowrider's Party**
It looks like Friday is the day of choice hands down.
I'll post reminders Thursday and early Friday.

**Winterwolf disappears from view**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 01:09:00 AM
IP: 206.15.120.131

**Winterwolf walks in**

Hi! While I was working today I received a lumbar cushion for my back! Now my back feels great and I love everybody! **HUGZ** Wait a minute I loved you guys before too! ^_^

Caliope> <Roswell> It'll be great! I'll be watching myself. What do you think of Tess? She is making this big messy triangle with Max and Liz! <classes> It's nice to know you're having fun taking classes. It's important to be able to have fun in all the different things you do! ^_^ <too cute> I'm too cute? WOW! **BIG FUZZY HUG** Thanks! ;)

Spike> <link> That's wonderful! You definitely deserve it IMHO! :)

Ana> <watching Gargoyles w/me> I'm coming over right now! Okay that's a little difficult at the moment but I next time I'm in the area I'll look you up! **dances with you** ^_^

DPH> <Medical expenses> You're probably already doing this but I post it to be certain. Make sure to keep a record of all your medical expenses! The guy that hit you should have to pay or his insurance. <application> I wasn't clear on what you meant here. I figure you are looking for a better job. If that's the case then I wish you the best of luck! <RP> I think our heroes are doomed! There is no hope! **gasp**

Gside> <absolute zero> That's supposed to read near absolute zero... And they are wearing the Death Guard Sash that clearly states can not be frozen! ;P

SOROW> Good Luck! You'll blow them away! Just in case... **gives all his luck to you** There that should do it! ^_^

Niamhgold> **HUGZ you to protect you from the yucky cold germs by taking the full brunt of them** I'll say some prayers for you that you don't get sick! ;) <email> Let me know when you have space for a special delivery. I have something that I want to send you but it is a little big. :) <busy time> Don't worry it will work out. It has before! ^_^

Brooklyn> I'll talk to you later. :)

******WARNING - BFTS RP******

A figure hiding in the shadows watches as the events unfold. "This opportunity to kill DPH and the others is too good to pass up!" A hand is leveled at DPH radiating with intense energy.

The blast sweeps through the area laying waste to everything. All that remained of DPH, Winterwolf, Plastique, and Jason was a small pile of ashes. The battle was over before it really even began. That would be their fate once the spell of disintegration was unleashed!

"Sorry but I have other plans for you!" A second figure opened a rift in space and tackled the first figure through it before the spell was completed. Both of them vanished as if they were never there. Only one other knew that anything had come to pass at all.

Using Winterwolf's memories of the previous battle Frost notes the main weapons in the previous battle included flamethrowers and sonic cannons. He invokes a powerful defensive spell creating an invisible freezing shield around Plastique Saber as well as himself to nullify fire attacks. He stays close to Plastique ready to her at a moments notice watching over the east side of the house.

Winterwolf quickly draws a protective ward using a strange green dye around his ears to defend against the potential threat of deafening sonic attacks. He watches as an army of suited figures advance. There seems to be no limit to the number of them as they approach. He quickly creates and illusionary Rodlox that runs in directly in front of him. He then creates a second illusion of himself that runs off as he creates a third illusion to make himself invisible. He works his way to the north side of the house.

Jason focuses on defending himself and the others unsure how many of the attackers weapons he can nullify. The entire horizon is choked with suited figures circling the house then marching toward the house. He takes a position on the west side of the house.

From each of the trucks a deafening sonic blast fills the entire area around the house. The battle begins in earnest!


Manhattan 3995

Equus nods. "I wouldn't want to be cursed either but this is a special scenario. Let me tell you what the curse is then you can decide on your own."

Uriel responds, "That sounds reasonable."

"The curse forces the victim to endure stone sleep. It is already something that you deal with every day so the curse will not effect you at all. In addition once the curse has been transferred it can be dispelled. So it is a temporary situation in any case. There is no need to decide immediately in any case. I'm still finishing the work on the generator that will allow you to travel to where you need to go."

******END WARNING - BFTS RP******

I guess that's it for me for tonight! Bye bye everybody!

**Winterwolf heads off to Ana's place to watch Gargoyles**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:58:54 AM
IP: 206.15.120.131

Hey guys Long time no see!
How have all of you been doing? Let me know!
I want to hear from all of you!
Well hears a my RP for the day!
<BFTS RP>

Manhattan 3995

The portal opened up. Out stepped the brown gargoyle sword drawn incase of a battle.
No was there. Or anywhere for that matter. He looked around hoping to find one sign of life.
Could Oberon’s magic have been wrong? Could he have been too late for this battle?
Then a shadowy figure emerged from an ally.

“Are you the one?”

“The one?” Uriel asked the figure.

“Are you Uriel? The chosen one from Avalon?”

“Aye that is me. Who might you be?”

“I am Equus. I’m merely the first stop on your quest.”

“Well as long I’m here can you tell what this is?”

The gargoyle reaches in his knapsack and pulls out a small gargoyle statuette.
“This statue is needed to lift a curse of an ally of yours. Once I send you to the that place in time you can help by letting transfer the curse to you.”

“Now why would I want someone to curse me?
<END BFTS RP>
I mean it email me all of you guys!






Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:28:41 AM
IP: 216.117.75.140

regarding new ep--woohoo!!
jenna
Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:03:58 AM
IP: waf-dc1c-39.rasserver.net

****Kyryn steps in and is backlit by a flash of lightning.***

Gentlebeings, I've got to make this fast since we've got lightning in the area (but no rain, yet -- drat it!).

TGS now presents for your reading pleasure:

My Angel Brianna

Written by Don A. "Coyote the Bando" Martinez and Mandi "Mandolin" Ohlin.

Artwork by Don A. "Coyote the Bando" Martinez

Problems of the heart....


***Kyryn steps aside to avoid the rush and disappears as the lightning flashes.***
Kyryn - [<<---clicky,clicky!]
Denton, TX
Monday, September 11, 2000 11:43:14 PM
IP: denm1-26.iglobal.net

**pokes head in**

Heyya all- sorry I have been absent, but I think of TGS room alot- hugz all around.

Christine- I really want that book- everything you have said about it, makes it sound absoulutely awesome!! on a diff topic- I will really miss Sabledrake.

Been writing alot- the contract i have is more techinical right now until, for the gamebook, and the fun stuff will be later- but that's okay. I feel like I'm back in college writing paper after paper. But still i'm having a good time with it.

Put my first poem up on the internet for sale.. clicky clicky- mature readers only please.

for lone wolf and cub fans- the international channel is showing all six movies uncut and in letterbox format- they are incredibly good, but be warned- very very violent.I play some violent games, and even I was floored. It is definately r for violence- My hubby is a big samarai buff, so weve been watching it. (incidently, he saw bushido the other day and commented that Yama means mountian- he speaks a little of Japanese)I thought that was pretty cool.

Jannie- hugz good to see you girl! I missed you.

anyway- I'm way behind on the room... again ^_^ to all of you..




jenna
Monday, September 11, 2000 11:27:46 PM
IP: waf-dc1c-39.rasserver.net

** Niamhgold enters for a quickie **

** Little Rant **

You know, how is it that I end up with the only roomate on campus who has already gotten a cold, and has broken out in those icky cold sores? Wait, I know, it's because all her friends are sick and they party every night; guess the old pass-the-bottle ain't so fun, now, is it? >:(

Geesh, I'm a very cleanly person by nature and hate getting the cold because I've been a victim of second-hand smoke, and, when I get sick, I stay sick for at least two weeks >:+ I _don't_ need this now. I have no problem with people who party, but they need to do it responsibility and not make a mess around the place like _I'm_ seriously going to touch all the cold-ridden tissues and rags she leaves around...

** End little rant **

GB: <I must be special> Naw, it's not that, it's just because I don't see any sense in trying to reform you ;) That, and the fact that I don't think I caught any of your sly remarks...

Gside: Aww, don't sound so bummed out :) Next time, I'll just have to keep Jell-0 out of the conversation and just stick in some chocolate-chip cookies :D

Winterwolf: Wow, work's been heavy for you, too? I'm sorry I haven't responded to your e-mail, but right now I've got so much from my workplace, future workplaces, and my parents/other friends that Hotmail's been telling me to delete some of my messages! ** Hugs ** Hope we can both pull through this busy time!

Shadowrider: Just so I know...what's your favorite flavor cake and drink?

Christine: Caught the new Guardians story, and very much liked it! I think I like this thread of your tale (with the whole dragon/gargoyle thing) better than any other :D

Methinks this be all I can do for now...
Adios!






Niamhgold
Monday, September 11, 2000 11:09:53 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

Gside: <By definition, anything at absolute zero is frozen.> not true: anything at Absolute Zero is Not Moving. {do atoms freeze?}.

...if you want to talk of Quantum Structures, on the other beak, that's another matter. {Quantums at Absolute Zero are scary things!}.





Rodlox@hotmail.com - [Rodlox]
Monday, September 11, 2000 10:58:32 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

I have tryouts for the talent show tomorrow so wish me luck. I'm really nervous! And I'll start posting in here more often and in depth once TGS starts up again. Love to all.
SOROW
Monday, September 11, 2000 10:51:11 PM
IP: a020-0566.dll2.splitrock.net

Green Baron- There is no controversy over Mononoke. Its just that most evidence seems to point towards the fact that Disney is trying to bury the movie so they don't have the competition. After all, the movie has no absolute villains, no song numbers, complex three dimensional characters, the romance aspects aren't overdone as typically done in Disney films, great music and animation, and its over two hours long which gives it a good deal of time to develop the characters... Disney films of late can't really match up. (A certain series we all know an loved staring some gargoyles could tho...) So, due to the non-promotion, limited theater release, constant video delays, release as a rental only and more, it just seems that Disney is trying to bury the film so no one compares the two.
Robby
Monday, September 11, 2000 10:43:15 PM
IP: spider-ti084.proxy.aol.com

Chip Livingstone > read "Bimbos of the Death Sun," which everyone should read anyway as it is the funniest damn thing ever published! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, September 11, 2000 10:10:34 PM
IP: 16-169.009.popsite.net

Green Baron> <<He's pretty laid back, but if you have no sense of humor>>: I have a linguistics professor who likes small classes and has been constantly threatening a major workload to get people out of there. I am mostly convinced that he is joking.
<<You thwap Gside, but I make a similar comment and get no such reprimand. Am I special>>: No, I just never get any respect. But then again, everyone is special.

Winterwolf> <<only froze after prolonged exposure to absolute zero conditions>>: By definition, anything at absolute zero is frozen.

Warpmind> <<if you don't get the reference... shame on you>>: Yes, yes, I'm shamed. Could you at least give me a hint of where Mr. Livingstone came from?

CSH> <<I came home from a stressful weekend to discover this online>>: Congratulations. And you are the third project this company is doing? I'm a little surprised that any would have heard of them. Though the name of the place seems rather fortuitous.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, September 11, 2000 10:04:45 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Hmm.

**RP RELATED**
Will DPH & company be able to surive this latest threat by the Speed Stars? Stay tuned to the BFTS RP to find out.
**END RP RELATED**

**MEDICAL BILLS**
I visited the doctor today. I have calculated that I have spent roughly $300 so far on doctor's visits and medicine since I had my accident. The medicine I bought today cost almost $60.
**END MEDICAL BILLS**

**WORK RELATED**
I have been at my job slightly over 2 months and am going to send in an application for employment.
**END WORK RELATED**

I was figuring that if I had my accident, my bank balance would be around $1500 (I would have bought a PC and put 1/2 the money down). Instead, my bank balance is just above 2K.

**BFTS RP continues**
*Septemeber 10, 6:00pm*
*DPH's house*
"DPH, did you hear that?" asked Jason.

"Here what?" replies DPH.

"It sounds like motorcycles and tractor trailers." replies Jason.

Plastique looks outside, and says, "The Speed Stars are back. But why are they bringing tractor trailers?"

Jason replies, "They must have brought all their entire weapon's inventory."

Winterwolf says, "Well, we know the drill: everybody head outside."

Frost, Winterwolf, DPH, and Plastique head outside immediately. Jason activates Connect's powers and then heads outside.

Unknown Speed Star says, "Is that Jason Filler heading outside the house?"

Another Speed Star replies, "Yep, let's roast the traitor."
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, September 11, 2000 08:20:43 PM
IP: max1-67.cwy.cei.net

Winterwolf> Thanks for the lift! Just think, if it weren't for you, I'd still be unconcious on the chat room floor!!! As for watching Gargoyles w/me; Sure! Comeon over! Me Casa es su Gargoyles watching headquarters! Don't you have ToonDisney? If not then I mean it, come watch it at my house at eleven every night! ...What? Ambrosia's gonna do it! It'll be a regular PARTY zone! *Does happy little 'I have toondisney' dance*

S'all for now!
Ana - [Anasatis]
Monday, September 11, 2000 07:04:34 PM
IP: 1cust72.tnt1.hemet.ca.da.uu.net

SPIKE - Congratulations!

GREEN BARON - Actually, the term "bent" for a villain with a worthy cause but using evil means to achieve it isn't my own coining; the person who really deserves the credit for that is C. S. Lewis, who introduced the term in his novel "Out of the Silent Planet". I was merely quoting the term from his book, so to speak.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, September 11, 2000 06:59:38 PM
IP: 216.87.46.183.dialup-stl.primary.net

RP WARNING!!
**The Orange Duke is in his Office in Belfast with Jan and Paul, the owners of TBN.
"Well, what exactly do you intend to accomplish in....saint.....Petersburg? I imagine this is more than simply having Benny Hinn fleece the peasants and boyars."
"Well, your Orange Grace, we have much more planned. We chose this time since Attila had a plan to restore the Romanov dynasty in Russia. So far, Putin's popularity has plummeted. If Attila can suceed, he will gain the Green Baron a title of boyar and he can also take control of most of the Russian Mafia in....saint....Petersburg and Moscow. We intend to use Benny Hinn as a front while we allay with the other factions opposing Attila's iron fist, and we can also get the Green Baron, which you also want. Plus, we can rid ourselves of the Catholic schoolgril scouts, then take over EWTN and remove their adoration chapels, crucifixes, and other blasphemies."

"Well, Jan. I like your style. I also serve Oliver Cromwell, and once we are done, you shall also be his missioanries as we spread his words throughout the world.**

PAUSE RP!!

Robby> Eboshi struck me as a bent villain to define Todd Jensen's terminology. She seemed to genuinely care for her people, especially the lepers, though she was wrong to destroy the forest like she did. It does have a good ending, though it leaves a lot fo threads for futur work in that Universe, like that mercenary. Now, the mercenary was my favorite villain in that movie.

One question. What's the controversy over Mononoke?

SJ> Probably hate? Why probably? Please don't tell me you'll hate the show if it gets an Emmy.

I just watch TV Land, especially the A-Team marathon.

Warpmind and Shadowrider> Well, I have a radical concept about movies and Government funding. The Government can cut taxes by the amoiunt they use to subsidize entertainment, so that people can use that money they now retain to see what movies they like and that way they pay for what they like, so the quality of movies in yoru country will be better. Perhaps such a concept is too radical in Europe ;)

In the United States, we have a National Endowment for the Arts, that gives tax money to artists so they can make stuff like that crucifix in a jar of urine. I can support a limited government assistance to a museum in a small town or Educational TV to keep them form going belly up, but grants given to inidividual artists who are buddies of the Endowment board is imo, worse that what they're doing in your countries.

Caliope> I figured you'd have a ways to go. Hoepfully, you'll not have too much longer.

Shinigami> That could be a good filk there.

Spike> Well, that is good news. I guess Avery's heritage will be different in this production.

Bronx> ::wraps his arms around her and kisses her:: Where have you been?

RESUME RP!!
::Ted Turner is in his Office with Marshall Applewhite.

"So you're the traitor who helped Attila purge his network of my spies. You also struck a deal with OJ Simpson all to regaijn control of your cult. Well, they are only good at distracting OJ anyway, so I let you have control of them after I have all of you disposed of."

Ted Turner takes pushes a lever revealing the remaining members of the Heaven's Gate Cult. He then has each of them dispersed throughout Cromwell's complex.

"They are all in key locations throughout this building. All of you will die of heart attacks in 10 hours unless you can rescue each of your members. If you succeed, I will release you and let OJ kill all of you off one by one."**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Monday, September 11, 2000 05:21:55 PM
IP: 141.164.133.103

Escaflone Subbed> I have the whole series on fan-sub. Since it's in domestic release, I can't really make copies any more. I'll probably get rid of my tapes when I can get the series on DVD instead. I could be persuaded to mail them to someone else who would "throw them away for me" (wink, wink) for the price of shipping when that happens. :)

For your literary edification, here's a neat quote I found. I may use it as a .sig one of these days. It's kind of long, though.

The world is full of missing persons, and their numbers increase all the time. The space they occupy lies somewhere between what we know about the ways of being alive and what we hear about the ways of being dead. They wander there, unaccompanied and unknowable, like shadows of people.

--Andrew O'Hagan, The Missing
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, September 11, 2000 05:14:28 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*de lurks*


Subbed Escaflowne> Currently I have two tapes... I HIGHLY recommend watching it in subs first before looking at what Fox did to the show. Trust me... Dilandu is much cooler than he appears to be!

*presses lurk button again*
Bronx
Monday, September 11, 2000 02:53:36 PM
IP: spider-tj023.proxy.aol.com

Hee, hee.... I came home from a stressful weekend to discover this online --- <click!> Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to bounce around the room some more!

*bounces off like Tigger*
Spike
Monday, September 11, 2000 02:15:31 PM
IP: pppt06-273.ght.iadfw.net

Green Baron::Aaron, Mara, and Reverend Attila= a really twisted version of Team Rocket :)

LOL!

To protect the CR from devestation
Shinigami - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Monday, September 11, 2000 11:11:03 AM
IP: refint3.dynamic.fitsuny.edu

Hello!!! * ^_~ *

The Cell> OK, so I saw this movie this weekend and it was quite interesting. It wasnt scary at all, my new word for it was "disterbing" but it was cool :)

XenaTrek > <<Roswell>> Ha! I knew it! thanx! *Prepares herself to give an I told you so speech :P*

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.> Hey! I loved The Alien Chronicles! Have you read anything else by that author, cuz I think I saw a new book by her and was thinking of getting it, but I'm not sure.

Green Baron> Your graduating this year? Congratulations ahead of time! I still have forever to go, but I like taking clases, so I'm happy :)

Zath> <<Chauser>> Ah, poor you, I only have to read the general prolog and some of the tales, not all of them.<<Anything can be impressive if it's drawn well>> lol yeah, I know, but my work was so simple compared to others that it amazed me a bit :P

Robby> <<Princess Mononoke>> uh...yeah, I got it subed, not dubed, but I didnt go to blockbusters for it, I went to my local anime dealer (being the anime junky that I am ;P) and he's had it for awhile aparently, so I rented it there.

Winterwolf> *kissimmi* lol cute, too cute! :P And YEY new episodes of Roswell!!! *Prances about and HUGZ back*

Shinigami > OH! Hew BNL CD!!! Gotta get it, gotta get it :P Thanx!

Woah! Gotta go kiddies! I'll see ya!!! *HUGZ all and skips out*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Monday, September 11, 2000 10:50:55 AM
IP: 136.145.83.175

*Warpmind enters, out of breath.*
Guys, I have just reached a rather breathtaking bit of illumination... but first, a reply.

Shadowrider: Yeah, government-funded culture tends to be pretty dull... or rather, it's not pretty at all. Why can't governments start give funds to people like Coppola, Tarantino, Spielberg, Lucas and other movie-makers who actually make movies you can watch without steady supplies of anti-depressives?

And now for the shocking revelation I have just recieved: I have read a handful of descriptions of the moment when Madame Destine's True Identity was revealed... it suddenly dawned upon me today... Madame Destine is the Gargoyles Fandom's Chip Livingstone! It is a miracle none here has managed to realize that sooner (at least, I haven't seen anyone mention it, if they'd realized)! Oh, and if you don't get the reference... shame on you. :)

Gotta run. Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, September 11, 2000 07:27:18 AM
IP: mp-217-206-226.daxnet.no

Hi gang, I'm back...I've been away for a couple of days, just to let the traffic hassle around my place to finish. Oh, well, anyway...replies.

Jaden:> Belated welcome back.

Doug:> You're welcome. I'm glad that Holder guy has been fired. Probably you're right and he is all talk, but be on guard with him for some time...just in case. The idea of the shifts to catch Gus sounds good, just be careful not to allow rage to make you do something he could use against you. I hope that this situation will be solved soon as well, and that you and Kit will have no more problems. If I was a believer, I would pray for you, but anyway you have my thoughts. Anyway, seems to me that this world is going insane...all those people behaving so irrationally...not good to me.

Warpmind:> Hm, I've never seen a Norwegian movie, so I can't say...anyway, until...hmmm...1994, I think, Italian government used to give huge funds for movie making as well...and the results were similar to those you described: a lot of "committed" movies that no one ever saw...

Winterwolf:> Thank you very much, pal. :)

Niamhgold:> I think I must apologize...last time I called your boyfriend "Brad" instead of "Brian". I'm sorry, I got confused. Also, I'm glad they caught that rapist...I hope now there will be a little more peace for you.

Jannie:> Good to see you here again, I was beginning to wonder what had happened to you...how are you these days?

OK, nothing more. See you all.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Monday, September 11, 2000 06:19:25 AM
IP: h217-166-138.mi2.albacom.net

*Warpmind enters, carrying an ancient pear, inscribed with strange hieroglyphics indicating great power to the wielder... if the wielder is pure of heart...*
Ladies, Gentlemen and regular CR posters, I present to you an artifact of immeasurable value: The Pear of Destiny. It has been sought throughout the centuries, but all previous searches have proven fruitless. ]:)

Christine: Black Roses will be out by March? Yee-haaw! I SHALL have it! :)

Rodlox: You ask us what we were discussing? Um... do you *honestly* believe our attention spans will allow us to remember that far back? ;)

Green Baron: I don't have a longboat and axe, thankyouverymuch. If I did, don't you think I'd be less concerned with finding the means to get to G2001? ;)

Robby: Well, hello? Good ol' fashioned Plug'n'Pray coming into effect again? Tsk. :)

Winterwolf: No, he's just a very relaxed person; it is infectious. (Well, that, and the xylocaine, all praise xylocaine, xylocaine is good.) By the way, Friday looks good to me. All I need to do is to wrestle my sis off the computer around that period of time...

Well, that's it, and the proverbial fat lady sings. I gotta go. Time for me to acquire some food supplies, anyway.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, September 11, 2000 05:51:16 AM
IP: mp-217-217-113.daxnet.no

**Winterwolf strides in and boldly sits in the big comfy chair after seeing it's empty**

Hello gang! I've just spent about three hours working on new techniques for formatting web pages. Unfortunately I just wound up finding a lot of things that don't work in both browsers! Oh well. My favorite was the platform dependant styles I tried that looked hideous on a Mac. I got a friend of mine to check. I wonder are there any Mac users in here?

Shadowrider> It's hard to believe that it's September already! On that note...

******BIG ANNOUNCEMENT******

Shadowrider isn't going to be with us regularly once he starts Military Service. So there is going to be an online party/gathering for anyone that would like to attend to wish him well!

It will either be held on the 14th or 15th of September. That's less than a week away!
It will be between the hours of

11PM - 3AM (Shadowrider's Time) -1:00 GMT
5PM - 9PM (Eastern Time) +5:00 GMT
4PM - 8PM (Central Time) +6:00 GMT
3PM - 7PM (Mountain Time) +7:00 GMT
2PM - 6PM (Pacific Time) +8:00 GMT

Please post your preference for the day by Tuesday! This will determine if we hold it on Thursday the 14th or Friday the 15th. Thanks!

Currently Friday is has 3 votes for it. Thanks Coyote, Niamhgold and Green Baron. Thanks also to Gside who is flexible!

******END BIG ANNOUNCEMENT******

Mary Flanders> <Learner's permit> Alright! While you are enjoying the driving experience make sure to stay focused and be careful out on the road! :)

Niamhgold> <suspect> Good to hear you area is a safer place! <puzzle solved> Well since you didn't claim a prize I had something special in mind for you. I meant to send it to you today but I didn't get a chance to finish it. So I'll send it ASAP! **HUGS** <fun with friends> Thanks, I sure did! Didn't get home until 5:30AM! ;) <cool to be talking to you> I feel the same way! ^_^

Daphne> My family has had mouse trouble in the past. They used the glue traps and I heard it was heart breaking as the little mouse was stuck on the trap and was crying in loud squeaks! :(

Gside> <Wilek's hentai tentacles> It's possible you just overdosed on silliness! :)

Ana> <TOON DISNEY> Cool! **Makes sure you are okay and takes you home partly so he can see some Gargoyles too**

Warpmind> <dentist calmed me down> So the gave you plenty of laughing gas huh? **jk** :D

Mara> Thanks! Now I just need to hear it and I'll be able to sing along! :)

SOROW> <technical difficulties> Please stand by! :D <email> Thanks for the email! I sent you a reply! ;)

Jannie> How are you these days? It looks like in good spirits at least or so it seems...

******WARNING - BFTS RP******

Date - September 10th
Location - DPH's House

After being pleased with Jason's progress DPH turned his attention to other matters. He wondered if it was a mistake to let Frost stay. He seemed to be creating problems for everyone working as a team. That could lead to a potentially disastrous situation. He was also become frustrated with Winterwolf. He was a little too convenient and there didn't really seem like there was a reason for him to working with him. DPH didn't trust him but he also didn't really distrust Winterwolf either. He decides to wait a few days to consider how to best approach them and get everything resolved.

DPH, Frost, Jason, Plastique and Winterwolf continue practicing various abilities to prepare for the fight against NCA.


Date - September 10th
Location - Unknown Underground Installation

Jennifer looks at Greg. He nods at her and then turns to the assembled crowd to explain how to effectively defeat the enemy. A cheer goes up and it is time to test the new modifications. Several highly hazardous tests are preformed as both Jennifer and Greg note the results.

At the end of the day Greg and Jennifer report to Fred Hitman. "According to our extensive testing all combatants are immune to temperature extremes. Their own weapons can not be used against them with any level of success. Furthermore with the new design shields the weapon from harm as well as make it highly unlikely to be taken away. The suits are completely insulated making electric attacks useless. Each suit is also specially treated with a chemical solution that only froze after prolonged exposure to absolute zero conditions. All voice communication is translated in visual data so team members can communicate without worrying about the sonic cannons bursting their eardrums. Any physical contact with a suit will cause the victim to be hit by an electric discharge that should stun if not outright kill. The full details are outlined in this report."

"Good. There will be nothing to stop us this time!" Fred exclaims.

******END WARNING - BFTS RP******

Okay I'm off to bed now! Good night!

**Winterwolf immediately falls asleep in the comfy chair**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Monday, September 11, 2000 03:34:56 AM
IP: 206.15.120.145

SJ: Like I said ... our offense sucks, but our defense will make your offense look *worse.*
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:47:13 PM
IP: 216.28.101.170

Well, here I am with the wrap-up for the 2000 Emmys! Are you ready? Here's all the info you need!:

A bunch of people who I probably don't think are talented won awards for their work in shows that I probably hate (West Wing, you are moving up my hit list). This doesn't really bother me because Hollywood awards shows are just big self-congratulatory parties where Tinsel Town can come together and give itself a big, collective pat on the back. I could care less.
The ONLY award I'd be interested in would be the writing award for drama series, which my man Joss Whedon was up for, but I think he got beat out by Aaron Sorkin, who writes "The Left Wing"....oops, typo. I meant "WEST Wing". If Joss had to lose, I would have at least preferred he lose to the guys who write that ode to comedic ultraviolence, the Sopranos.

And that's your Emmy wrapup!

Football: Coyote, I don't know how the celebrating is going in Detroit, but I personally think that the Lions should give both their MVP of the Game awards (offensive and defensive) to Redskins players. After all, it was US who won that game for you. Christ, we should have just handed your players the ball on every play, and saved ourselves the effort. My personal favorite is how, with a few brief moments left in the half, the Skins were barreling down for a touchdown, with things looking good, and Brad Johnson throws YET ANOTHER interception.
I'm VERY pissed. Not necessarily because we lost, but because here in D.C. there's a promotion running at Dominos pizza where we get a dollar off every touchdown the Redskins score. Those bastards in the burgandy and gold cost me a cheap pizza.
But allow me this one victory--The proudest moment of game for me, was how your boys were 1 YARD away from the goal, with it being 1st down, and we forced you to make the field goal. That was pretty good defense. Too bad our offense played like crap.

Oh, and speaking of sports....they FINALLY canned Bobby Knight's ass. My question is, what took so long? They should have tanked that SOB a loooong time ago.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:39:34 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

**Winterwolf grabs aa spot in the Top Ten**

Hmm if you don't count duplicate posts then I make the Top Ten! :)

Real Post Later!

**Winterwolf leaves for the time being**
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:46:06 PM
IP: 206.15.120.130

*chuckles* and I thought _I_ was having a bad day ;p
Jannie
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:44:15 PM
IP: 209.144.251.81

Well, problem seems to be taken care of now... On the lone upside of my wierd computer troubles, meybe some of the S8 topics will pick up in here.
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:29:31 PM
IP: spider-tj071.proxy.aol.com

Okay...we seem to be having technical difficulties. Anyway, I hope everyone is having a good week.
SOROW
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:28:50 PM
IP: a010-0272.dll2.splitrock.net

Okay... I think as a rule of thumb I should stop clearing the CR from the laptop and go back to clearing it from the other one. WIERD stuff seems to happen when I wipe the CR from this thing. The previous week gets cleared, this thing gets stuck in a funky loop and posts to the previous room... (and just to check I'll mention I'm posting from the TGS room on this bit...)
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:18:26 PM
IP: spider-tj071.proxy.aol.com

Well, I just discovered a brand new quirk about my new laptop! Seems when I wiped the room I did *SOMETHING* screwy to the laptop. Everything I sent was going straight to whatever I had been to previously... Rebooting seems to have fixed the problem tho... VERY wierd...
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:12:40 PM
IP: spider-tj071.proxy.aol.com

Well, I just discovered a brand new quirk about my new laptop! Seems when I wiped the room I did *SOMETHING* screwy to the laptop. Everything I sent was going straight to whatever I had been to previously... Rebooting seems to have fixed the problem tho... VERY wierd...
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:12:37 PM
IP: spider-tj071.proxy.aol.com

Testing
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:10:27 PM
IP: dialin-1046-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

testing... posting from TGS CR...
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:09:22 PM
IP: spider-tj071.proxy.aol.com

Testing... Posting this from the S8 cr...
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:06:03 PM
IP: spider-we044.proxy.aol.com

Okay... This is worrisome...
Robby (again)
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:04:04 PM
IP: spider-we044.proxy.aol.com

Don't mind me, I'm just testing something here... I just posted to the S8 room and my post went to the TGS room... I wanna know if I just accidently posted to the wrong room or if something is funky going on...
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:02:04 PM
IP: spider-we044.proxy.aol.com

*Blinks* What the f***? I post to the S8 room and my post comes here? *Blinks* I need to test something...
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:00:08 PM
IP: spider-we044.proxy.aol.com

Dragon Wolf- Actually, Kya is right. Kovu *IS* Scar's son. All of Disney's early press releases said he was, many of the books and magazines and toys and such say he's Scar's son, his coloring was an obvious match for Scar's, the entire story HINGED on him being Scar's son and having to overcome that, Zira was Scar's mate and Kovu's mother, and Muffassa and Scar were the only two male lions around. It was near the very end of production that someone went "Oh nuts, they're cousins!" and so last minute (well, 1 month before mass production of the videos anyway), they had the one line of "he's not even Scar's kid" mumbled in and changed about a second of animation to add some more lip movements so the line didn't look COMPLETELY forced... Notice that for the entire movie the entire cast makes a big deal about Kovu being Scar and Zira's son, and then for one mumbled breath Noku says he isn't? (Wheras Vitani never denies Kovu's parentage.) That fried lion voiced by Andy Dick was deluding himself to make himself feel better. Kovu *IS* Scar's son.

But, its better that he's Scar's kid. If Kovu were Muffassa's kid, then it would be REALLY bad! (Well, then again, I suppose that despite Zira's hate of Simba, Kovu *COULD* be SImba's kid, but that's even worse...) Really, second cousins are acceptable. Especially amongst wild creatures like lions. It isn't nearly as bad a couple to marry off as brother and sister, and hey, that happens in the animal kingdom all the time. (Heck, some Guiney pigs I once had mated with their own mother!) And the story of Oedipus has Oedipus marry his mother and have kids with her... (Granted, his mother commits suicide and Oedipus then blinds himself when they find this out, but...) Really, second cousins isn't bad at all.

As far as my favorite Disney villain... Tough call. I'd say Lady Eboshi from Mononoke, except Disney is pretending that *isn't* one of theirs. I'd say the Horned King from Black Cauldron, except Disney is pretending THAT movie isn't one of theirs except for the rare times when they're selling the video, and the horned king acted like a total idiot at the end of the movie. I would say Scar, but he hired really stupid help. The villains from both Rescuers movies as well as Jafar from Aladdin were great, but insane. But no, my favorite villain was Shun Yu from Mulan. He had an awesome design, GREAT lines, a decent motivation, competant help, proved to be nearly unstoppable, did NOT sing for no apparent reason, and would have won if Mushu hadn't suddenly fired that giant rocket conveniantley located nearbye at him. (I mean, he was *THIS* close to killing the emporer, *THIS* close to killing the captain of the guard, and he was getting ready to throw Mulan off the building, sword or no sword in her possession.)
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:58:24 PM
IP: spider-we044.proxy.aol.com

I'm number eight. Yahoo!!!!!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:49:55 PM
IP: 141.164.77.42

RP WARNING!!!!
**St. Petersburg, Russia
A number of small time Russian mafia lords are at a table with a charismatic Hispanic man in a white suit lisetning to his words.

"Now, this nation is a land that is in need of Christian missions.."
"But we are Christians, mostly Russian Orthodox, Mr. Hinn."
"I mean Christian, not those idol worshippers."
At that moment a few bosses walk out, while one raises his gun to Benny Hinn, though he is stopped by another Russian in a dark suit.
"Never mind Dmitri. He is most defensive. Gon, Mr. Hinn."
"As I was saying, there is a great opportunity if TBN can open a new front in Russia and I can preach throughout the nation. Now, I want to do some preaching live in..... Saint..... Petersburg. I will make a fortune, but it is you are the law here. I shall use my hypnotic charisma to also make you even wealthier, while I make my riches on Jesus' holy name..."

Benny Hinn continues trying to convince the Russian Mafia leaders of his plans, while Therese, one of the Catholic schoolgirl scouts, listens and reports the information back to Attila's suite in uptown St. Petersburg currnetly resided in by the Green Baron and the other girls.**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!!

Spacebabie> That show brought back some memories. Their boss reminds me a little of Lou Grant, too.

Aaron, Mara, and Reverend Attila= a really twisted version of Team Rocket :)

Stephen> Well, I hope you can get that. Some of those certifications are quite nice. I'm going to start on my MBA in two years.

Zath> My Finance Professor actually made some girl cry, because he was joking about how tough the class would be, especially since she is taking Business Policy. He's pretty laid back, but if you have no sense of humor, his comments would make a lot of people nervous.

Christine> I made you blush? Woohoo!!!! I doubt many can do that :)

Ana> Actually, bank robberies don't panic me, because of FDIC. If my money weren't federally insured to a ridiculous amount, I'd feel less secure.

Daphne> Well, having a 50s family is unique today. I come from an old aristocratic family without the old aristocratic wealth. My father is President of a consulting firm that include many shipping companies and contacts he made at his last job. Esentially its a classic New Orleans Good ol boys netweork. He is also the Swedish Consul for his region and holds a number of other posts (all non-paying) in the city of New Orleans, including a Director of the World Trade Center (2 Canal St in New Orleans) and other stuff too numerous to name or remember.

My mother is a secretary for Loyola University in New Orleans and has a fondness for teh Jesuit education system. One of her brothers graduated form Georgetown and one went to Georgetown Medical school. She herself went to Wheelings in West Vriginia, whiel her other brother, father and uncles went to Fordham in Da Bronx. I'd recommend Georgetown to you. I imagine it is better than Loyola (well it shoudl be for their tuition), but they are not really a Catholic school, so you won't have to worry about that being pushed on you. Penn is good, too, and cheaper. I don't know much about York, though. Have you thought about UVA?

Also feel free to mention more about your life. I've always thought my life was boring, though Attila has made it interesting :)

Archwolf> Al Bore was in Delgado down in New Orleans. I think Bush should a prison barbecue as a fundraiser :)

Coyote> I honestly don't care if the Lions beat the Saints. I find sports to probably be the _most_ boring topic I can think of. The Superdome was built over an Indian burial ground. This is why the Saints are cursed to lose so often.

Wilek> A bit late, but thanks. Where have you been?

Dame Corax> I got your e-mail. I hope to get anotehr one soon.

Jaden> Welcome back. I'll be in the ARMY in less than six months, too.

Firestorm> Well, the Company Commander for recruitment in New Orleans is a Captain Keith Forsyth. Possibly a 30th cousin :)

Warpmind> You can bet your longboat and battle axe is only Lovecraftian :)

Winterwolf> I vote for Friday

Mary Flanders> Well, if I'm ever in Davis, I can ask you for a ride :)

Niamhgold> You thwap Gside, but I make a similar comment and get no such reprimand. Am I special :)

Daphne> I got a Cue Cat from Forbes Magazine. Attila loves it :)

Well, a tape of yoru story is a good start. You may be a big hit among lots of truckers. Your book may be the talk of CB radios for months :)

Todd> We could make a show where we try to discover who you are, only to get thwarted every week while you watch and laugh from the shadows :)

RESUME RP!!
**St. Petersburg, Russia
"The information has been most helpful, frauline. Benny Hinn is quite a dangerous fellow and could be trying to take over Russia, before we can restore the Romanov line. You'll be home in an hour. I'll be ready. I know it's our night. No, Bernadette and Angelica are not doing anything to me right now," Brigitte stops the back rub to give an innocent smile, "I'll take soem mouthwash right before you come back, too. I love you, too. Bye"

Green Baron turns around to Brigitte and Ave Maria.
"Well, girls, it looks we will be up against TBN. Benny Hinn is in Russia. Jane and Paul aren't too far away. I'd say we work on a plan after Therese and I are done. Who's with me....and no, I don't mean it like that. And don't blame Catholic school for being perverted too much, or we'll wear out that joke."

Meanwhile, in a dungeon in NY, Attila silently ponders when he will escape and what will becoem of his mercenary ventures.**
TO BE CONTINUED!!!



Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:49:13 PM
IP: 141.164.77.42

seventh or so.

::pouts:: the room cleared after all that work I put into that song..

well you get to see it again. Hmmph *diva-esque stomp*

Just had to share with you one of the songs off of the Bare Naked Ladies new cd Maroon. It's called Tonight is the night I fell asleep at the wheel... it's awesome it sounds like carousel music or a drinking song... but morbid.

Driving home to be with you
Highways divided, the city in view
As usual I'm almost on time
You're the last thing that's on my mind
I wish I could tell you the way that I feel
but tonight is the night I fell asleep at the wheel
No commotion, no screaming breaks
Most of it's over before I awake
From the ceiling, my coffee cup drips
While out my window the horizon does flips
The worse part was hitting the ground
Not the feeling so much as the sound
I can't help but wonder if all this is real
Cuz tonight is the night I fell asleep at the wheel
Rubberneck traffic, and passersby,
Slow-motion Walter, the fire engine guy,
Stand around with their mouths open wide
Heard some idiot ask if someone's inside
With the jaws of life they tried and tried
Nobody here knows how I feel
Cuz tonight is the night I fell asleep at the wheel
I guess it's over now
Cus I never seen so much
never seen so much
never seen so much
never seen so much
I guess it over now
Cuz I never seen so much...
Never seen so much
Never seen so much
Never seen so much blood
Out of the confusion there's something serene
I'm just a post-humous part of the scene
Now I'm floating above looking in
As the radio blares; the wheels spin
I can see my face slumped with a grin
And you...
You're the last thing on my mind
You're the last thing on my mind
You're the last thing on my mind
You're the last thing on my mind

ah!

Shinigami
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:46:25 PM
IP: spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com

Todd Jensen> <<I don't think that I'm too likely to write a "degargoylized" version of TGS: Pendragon>>: Yeah, but your name was the first to come to mind, associated with a project that might seemingly be easy from which to remove gargoyles.

SRS Jr.> <<any atmosphere inside the cockpit gets sucked out into the resulting vacume>>: Yes, though I have been pondering pressure dams in front of fast moving objects. Does anyone know that a hole in the front of a jet really will depressurize, or do they move fast enough to have an increase of pressure?

Firs Storm> <<The only version I found before was a REALLY *BAD* spoken one>>: But the Boston Pops rock your world? They certainly rock mine.
<<post some Gregorian chant stuff>>: Got some, will go up when I feel like it.
<<or some techno>>: I'm not really a techno person. Or most other currently well recieved genres, either.
<<GREGORIAN MONK TECHNO REMIX!>>: It just sounds wrong to remix a capella with high tech instruments.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:38:21 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

FORTH FORTH FORTH!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:34:06 PM
IP: 06-131.008.popsite.net

3rd.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:32:38 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

SECOND!!!!

Rodlox
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:29:18 PM
IP: proxy3-external.owml1.md.home.com

Gside, Warpmind, et ali: <<Warpmind> <<YOU brought the whole question up in the first place>>: Actually, that was Rodlox, check the archive at http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2000/07-09-2000.html in the middle of Friday afternoon.>>

what?? ohno,.....not the "are gargs kosher?" again, is it?

*checks*

oh/....'that' thing/think. and a :P on you.

btw, what were you guys talking about?....i was out for a while - computer passed out during an updating of systems. :P on it.


Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail.com]
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:28:42 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

Fire Storm- I was just waiting for someone to notice. *grins* Seems the CR is still used to Sunday wipes. Guess two years of wipes on Sunday still overpower almost two months of Saturday wipes. Maybe if I cleared the room in the middle of the week the change would be more felt. I dunno...

As far as subbed Escaflowne... No idea. My cousin had thgot his copy of the series some time back, I don't know where he got it then, and it almost certainley would be impossible to find now.
Robby
Sunday, September 10, 2000 09:26:41 PM
IP: spider-we033.proxy.aol.com