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Is it just me, or does Christina Aguilera look kinda like Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Maybe I just need new glasses or something...;P
Mary (again)
Saturday, October 14, 2000 09:08:05 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*enters*

Phew! My SAT's are over with, and I'm glad! There were some words I recognized from studing my Kaplan flashcards, so I'm pretty sure I did well. :) To celebrate, my dad bought me a new wicca book called, "Green Witchcraft". ^_^ Me love these books!
Ugh, I have never been to Woodland High before and it is so ugly! Woodland High is my school's arch rival. I remember hearing that the school was origanlly planned to be a prison! @_@ And boy does it look like it! There are no windows anywhere, the whole thing is surrounded by a tall brick wall and you have to enter through iron gates! Damn glad I don't have to go to school there. Could explain why those guys don't do so well in school: they spend most of their time in prison. ;P
Must go now, laters peoples!

*gone*
Mary Flanders
Saturday, October 14, 2000 08:39:25 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Ok, SAT II is over!! Writing and Literature were fine, but Math? I ended up skipping like 15 questions! We shall see how I did.

****RANT****
Soooooo busy! The school had better not say the students have problems with time management, because *they're* the ones who give us three days off, encourage us to visit colleges, then give us lots of long involved projects just in case we might have a second of spare time we might want to spend, I don't know, sleeping?!? (Sleep? what's sleep?)
****END RANT****

*Relationship Stuff*
Ok, so the guy I like and I have been debating whether or not we want to be an item. We're friends first and foremost, and either way won't change that.
That being said...
Before this whole thing came up between us, there was this other girl. He and I were platonic (still are, technically) and he really seemed to like her, so I encouraged him to go for it. He hesitated. (this all wa months ago). A few days ago, he hears from her. Turns out she does like him. He doesn't know what he's going to do. I really want him to choose me, but I'd rather he be happy with her than miserable with me, you know? SO, what does this mean?
a)I've got it bad!
b)I'm becoming enlightened.
c)I'm too much of a coward to fight for what I want.
d) some combination of the above.
e) something I may have completely overlooked.

Any ideas? I figure at the very least this can be a learning experience, right?
*End relationship stuff*

****BFTS RP****
[THE REALM, JUST BEFORE JASON RETURNS TO BFTS UNIVERSE]

Daphne smiles. "I owe you."

Jasn Filler shakes his head. "Forget it. We have an evil to stop, right?"

Daphne gets up, ready to agree with him, when she stops short. "You have an evil to stop. You must return to your own Realm."

"What? But, what about --?"

"This is more pressing. I'll go on, and when you're done, just meet me wherever I am." She smiles. "Bring your friend, if you want."

"How did you know DPH wants to come?"

"I have a lot of answers and questions that'll have to wait until next time." She pauses. "Be careful, ok?"

He nods, then opens the portal.

Daphne waves. "Be happy!" she calls.
****END BFTS RP****

Happiness!
Daphne, apprentice wordsmith
Saturday, October 14, 2000 08:19:49 PM
IP: dialup-63.214.211.74.philadelphia1.level3.net

Wow. That was incredible. It has been at least TWO YEARS since I got to see any Gargoyles eps, but last night I sat and watched ELEVEN SOLID HOURS of them. The term "Mind-blowing" springs to mind. Lots of good ones, too. The Awakening sequence, a selection of Wandering Skiff eps, all four eps of City of Stone, and Hunter's Moon. It was 4AM when they finished, but it was worth it.

Of course, I don't have a TV in my dorm room. So I had to watch it in the television lounge, which is incidentally on a main thoroughfare in my building. People kept passing through and saying things like "Didn't I see you here five hours ago when I was on my way out??" One young lady said "OOOOOOO!! GARGOYLES!! I love that show. Must . . . Resist . . . Television. Must . . . Go . . . to . . . class . . . ."

The saga of my new comp continues. I ordered it in August; it took Axis Systems FORTY FIVE DAYS to get it to me. Then I had to leave it at home for a week due to scheduling troubles; my Dad brought it up to me today. And you know what? My darling little brother whom we all love and adore FORGOT TO PACK ANY OF THE POWER CABLES! ARGH! I'm beginning to think the computer must be hexed. >:-(

<pant, pant> <gets a grip>

Aside from that I am well. I have a midterm on Tuesday in Egyptian Heiroglyphs, and some Anglo-Saxon to translate for Wednesday. Friday I will continue work on translating Serpentum et Draconum Historiae. The book is divided into two parts. Part 1 is all about various types of snakes. The second part is about dragons and mythological beasts. It has these sections:

De Dracone in Genere (On the Race of the Dragon)
De Basilisco
De Hydra
De Dracone Bipede (On Bipedal Dragons)
De Draconibus Alatis (On Winged Dragons)

There are one or two other chapters in that section which I can't remember off the top of my head. There are some nice woodcuts illustrating the points of the text.
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 14, 2000 06:39:54 PM
IP: smith-ship3.colorado.edu

Warpmind the InzanE> kay
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, October 14, 2000 06:25:46 PM
IP: proxy1-external.pwy1.sdca.home.com

All right, boyz and gals...thanks to everyone welcomed me back. I've quickly read through the last weeks' CR, so here are some replies...

Welcome to all the new faces! I apologize for not welcoming you one by one, but you are too much...:)

Gside:> No, I still haven't shoot down anything yet...;). When we will finish the training (in December, probably), it is rumored that the Regiment will be sent in Poland or Romania for some NATO maneuvers, and so probably we will have the chance...

Doug and Kit:> Nice to see you, friends. <reads through the CR> Hm...things are never boring for you, isn't it?
Doug, although I'm late I want to extend to you my condolences for the loss of Lawrence Edward Charles. Reading the description you made of him, I feel to say that he was one of those people who can make the difference in others' lives. If only there were some more like him in this world... I am also saddened in hearing about your work troubles. Seems that troublemakers are the real dominant species on this planet. <Frowns> I am not sure...seems to me I've read so in one of your posts, but...did you decide to join the police? Well, if it is so, I think it is a great thing. There is a desperate need of people who want and try to help the others...and I know you could be a great policeman. For a strange coincidence of destiny, I am pondering about something similar for my life as well...but it is for another time.
Kit, I am glad to know your friend Shauna had no troubles for giving Gus what he deserved. I am also glad to know that the Mighty Morphing Gus'Girlfriend showed herself to be even dumber than her guy. Well, I really hope your troubles are finished...for a while, at least. Anyway, can't help but being enraged at the thought that a nice, honest and good person like you are has to have all these troubles. It is so...wrong. Oh, well...I also wanted to thank you for the words you wrote when I left (although I've read them only today). And Alessia asked me to thank you as well. Our relationship seems not to be too affected by my absence until now...and I really hope things will keep on this way, 'cause Ale is the best thing that could happen to me...more than I deserved, for sure...:)

Niamhgold:> I thank you too for your goodbye words. I am very happy and honored to be your friend, since you are such a caring person. I'll email you immediately as I'll finish here.

Winterwolf:> Hi, pal. Thank you a lot for your letter, I was very happy to receive it! I've seen you also received mine one. I lost Dreamie's birthday, it seems...I'm sorry of that. How was the on-line party? I also hope you had fun at your friends' wedding.

Dreamie:> I know I am unforgettably late, but I wanted to make you my best wishes for an happy birthday.

Ok, enough for now...I'm sure I missed something (a LOT of things), so I apologize to everyone I didn't respond to, and I promise I'll try to remedy in my next post...in a few hours, probably.

See you!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, October 14, 2000 03:32:55 PM
IP: h213-46-114.mi2.albacom.net

*Warpmind enters, humming cheerfully.*
Well, I fixed something in my little section of the GFW Archive... namely, my site addy. And, seeing that it's about two or three months since Xoom.com was bought out by NBCi, I reckon it's WAY overdue, anyway... :|

Doug: Just wanted to check, Thanks. :)

Fire Storm: Smuggle back technology? Hmmm... *ponder* uh, you might have lost me... how expensive before considered a weapon? What the <Censored> kind of technology are you talking about? I have deadly weapon technology at my disposal, and *that* didn't cost me more than, oh, maybe five bucks? (A nice folding knife, bought in Prague - dirt cheap. Too long to bring through airport security, though - believe me.) Oh, and if you want "Christmas At Ground Zero"... I *could* let you at the video - I've got it on Mpeg format; a bit big, but _very_ decent quality. ]:) (E-mail is probably not a good idea - I could upload it to a small subdirectory on my site and e-mail you the link, I guess.)

DPH: Where's the fun in a superhuman character who is invincible in all ways? Where'd the fun be if the hero was utterly perfect? Or worse, the villain? Think a bit about it; everyone's gotta have an Achilles' heel.

Well, that's *definitely* it for now. Later, guys.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, October 14, 2000 03:10:09 PM
IP: mp-217-237-116.daxnet.no

DPH: <Does anybody have any idea how much money Disney would be willing to sell the rights to Gargoyles for?>
IF you could convince Disney to sel the rights to Gargoyles (I SERIOUSLY doubt they would, though) It would probally be in the neighborhood of $25mil+
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, October 14, 2000 02:41:41 PM
IP: 03-199.008.popsite.net

**RP RELATED**
I am very carefull with words. Notice I said "seemingly almost nothing" instead of "almost nothing". If I say much more, I will be giving spoilers away. Obviously, no character will get anywhere near omnipotence in the BFTS RP, although, for a while, it might appear that way.
**END RP RELATED**

**DUMB QUESTION**
Does anybody have any idea how much money Disney would be willing to sell the rights to Gargoyles for?
**END DUMB QUESTION**

Why is that in every universe every super powered character has some mega weakness?
DPH - [<--Click here to vote]
AR, USA
Saturday, October 14, 2000 02:37:28 PM
IP: max1-35.cwy.cei.net

Friday the 13: Hey, wasn't the Friday the 13 on a full moon?
Also, wasn't that full moon Hunters Moon?

Gside: <Ahh. Um. Just thought they sounded neat in that order?>
Yeah... Pretty much.
<Well, yeah. But why don't the option values line up with that?>
I have no idea. Probally just Gore's preferance.
<The prophesy sounds like fun. And that would be a neat way to record a prophesy, no?>
Thats what I thought too!
<Did I miss an update?>
I have no idea.
<it leads you to a bunch of other resources>
Yeah... I think she did a good job!
<May you and your wallet have a rapid recovery.>
I will recover, and my wallet dosn't have a whole helluva lot to recover from!

Warpmind: <HOW MANY CAN MAKE THAT MISTAKE ANYWAY???>
Ah, all you bipeds look alike to me. :)
Hey, when you come to G2k+1, are you gonna try smuggling back some technology?
What's the limit before it is considered a weapon? $400? We can build you a system for less.

Jannie: <25. The American Revolution would never have happened if the colonists had submitted to Gun Control Laws>
I think thats what they are afraid of.
The second American Revolution.

DPH: <if the answer is yes, then finding the sanity-increasing device and replicator should be easy.>
Maybe we already have a sanity-increasing device.
In fact, we have had them for years.
Books!

GXB: <Thoth dressed kind of like Darth Maul.>
With a head of Lava!

Mary Flanders: <I'm not Native American>
I am. I was born here, my parents were born here, and their parents were born here.

Gunjack: <*Curls up in a ball from sympathy pain*>
fortunately, the pain stopped after 12 hours.
Unfortunately, they are gonna give me a wholelotta NEW pain Tuesday.
<Do you, by any chance, own a copy of "AVP"?>
No, but I played the AVP:Aliens Demo. :)
<"Cheery Atomic Colors"? Ick...;P *Starts humming "Christmas at Ground Zero"*>
*Note to self, find that MP3*

*TOOTH UPDATE!*

Dental college ROCKS!
They couldn't extract the tooth Friday (damn prexisting medical condition), so I have to go back Tuesday so they can rip that tooth out..
This whole mess may cost me less than $200!
(And yes, I am still in some pain)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:50:48 PM
IP: 03-199.008.popsite.net

Warpmind: Yes, I believe one is allowed to defend oneself. Just as long as they didn't start the fight in the first place. Haven't really seen too many examples yet though. <shrugs>
Doug
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:39:07 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.84.dlls.grid.net

*Warpmind enters, pondering.*
Well, looks like I'm going to the big city on Wednesday... just for the day, that is. And, I might get to visit a sporting goods store... maybe I'll even manage to find a sword, so I can practice for the possible duel between Archwolf and me... (I don't have many requirements for it; just a bit of practice with a relevant weapon will do - I *know* he's way out of my league, but I'm not about to face him with *no* proper experience in the weapon type.) So, my great concern is: go for an epee... or look for a daikatana, which has a slightly longer blade, and thus gives me a little more of a fighting chance... ;)

James Birdsong: No apology needed - however, if you made this mistake repeatedly and frequently, I might not be so forgiving. ;) And as I said, you're not the first to mix up our names. (I think you're the third, actually...)

Jannie: Woo Hoo! That list was FUN to read. And maybe it should be made mandatory reading for those thugs, goons and schmucks that are parked in your Congress and Senate, aye? ;)

Gside: That our neighbours to the east are idiots is old information... though, they do make great pies. (I got the recipe from my shrink, dr. H. Lecter...) Oh, and as for your music... it IS good. But cheesy. And hey, I *love* cheese. ;) (Remember, the cheese slicer *is* a Norwegian invention...)

Doug: No real requirements, then? Oh, goodie. :) And you even reckon I'd be good at it? Hm, must be that nice-guy-with-psychotic-traits attitude of mine... ;) But seriously, no tolerance for sadism and cruelty? *Grumbles something inaudible.* Oh, well, just as well, I guess... I reckon any "police brutality"-type accusations wouldn't be good, anyway... come to think of it, there's probably no excuse for savagery on the job, anyway... :) By the way, one *is* allowed to defend oneself, right? ;)

Gunjack Valentine: So, an airgun does fall under your definition of "gun", then? Shoulda figured - though , the airgun pistol I've used, a pesky little thing, really, wasn't even capable of stopping a squirrel at fourty feet. Heck, the damn thing was fired into my leg, and it didn't even pierce my jeans, far less leave a bruide. :) Not to worry, the jerk who shot me suffered far more - unlike me, he did NOT have a naturally high pain threshold... ]:) As for biblical reference to magic, I figure you pretty much got it right there. :) However, the forms of magic I'm deliberately pursuing are various methods of scrying, mainly pendulum and water scrying (the latter of which, as I hear it, was frequently employed by Nostradamus himself), and I dabble in the Tarot, although with an intimidating accuracy. Heck, on one occasion, I diagnosed a pregnancy - by PROXY! (Weird story - I might tell the whole thing at G2001.)

Jaden! Yay! You're back! Welcome home, amigo! Hope you wind up with a tolerable gang in the barracks, at least. :)

Well, that looks like the end of this post... aloha, guys.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:28:37 PM
IP: mp-217-205-184.daxnet.no

Jaden: The cold, not the rain, sorry. Although the rain is somewhat bad too. <shrugs>
Doug
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:02:57 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.84.dlls.grid.net

Jaden: Ditto what Doug said from me. Real good to know you'll still be hanging out with us even though you're overseas. Welcome back once again! :)

Gunjack: Yeah, I was grossed-out by the thought of shooting those coyotes too. Them showing me how easy it was only worsened things. They were living creatures after all. Then Cobra and Snake told me about how coyotes had killed their dad's livestock all the time when they were young, and how one of them had also killed their favorite dog. For that, Snake said, they would be forever taking revenge on the entire species. The way they told the story, which I unfortunately can't remember exactly, made it a lot easier to fire the gun at them. So did using inanimate targets from that point on. The specter of knowing what a gun can do to a living creature hanging over you even as you shoot at a nonliving object is a powerful incentive to use one safely and well. :)
Kit
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:02:09 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.84.dlls.grid.net

Gunjack: Guess my headache was getting in the way of my reading more than I thought last night, sorry about that and the confusion. Thanks for the corrections on the abortion stuff. You're very right about euthanasia and quality of life, but I still stand by my belief that it would be a good thing for abortion survivors. On the other hand if the kid did survive one and then was able to achieve full sentience (brain damage might be a possibility) and know what he had done...that could create some kinda inner strength. :) And yes, I do vote. However, the issue of abortion, while one I do care about, is not in my hands as far as policy on it goes. The guy I vote for may not even win the election, and I've sent many letters to my Congresspeople and Senators and yes, the President too, and had them all ignored. Never replied to, ever. It's very distressing. :( Thanks for your encouragement on the job issues, and for your wishes of luck.

Jaden: Hey. :) Good to see you in here again, glad the environment over there is so beautiful. Hope that the rain ends soon, you can soon get Internet access in the barracks, and you keep finding reasons to enjoy the place. Welcome back.
Doug
Saturday, October 14, 2000 11:56:57 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.84.dlls.grid.net

DPH> Well in any case I have it (puts Cronos Stone back in pocket) Gunjack Valantine> I have seen the Batman movie three times. Very amusing catwoman character development there. Also liked the riddler and Penguin (not gonna ask the three cornist riddles I know now) :D and yet now all I have to do is chuckle to see if perhaps a movie shall be made about the Pharoh, Bookworm, or Eggman <- yes in old 60's series these were badguys
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, October 14, 2000 09:24:53 AM
IP: proxy1-external.pwy1.sdca.home.com

Here I am! Well I'm in Korea now and so far I'm enjoying the experience and look forward to the end of my tour. I've divided my my experiences thus far into two catagories:

Bad news: It's cold and going to get colder until March (then comes the monsoon season). I don't get Internet access in my room and must rely on a cyber cafe to do all my on-line business (this may change however since I'm moving into different barracks soon). I'm still working on getting settled here and it is going to take longer than I thought. I don't get Toondisney (AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!) or Sci-fi and WGN (AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!)

Good news: I'm on-line enough to get to hang with you guys (YES!) I'm in one of the better areas (Camp Casey). Everyone is very nice and helpful, the environment is beautiful, green trees, hills and mountains. I plan to take about 30 days vacation and either go home or Austrailia.

Well that's all I have time for now. I should be able to post at least once a week. Thanks for all your support.

Later!

Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
KoreaSaturday, October 14, 2000 02:52:36 AM
IP: 211.173.195.148

*Valentine drags a bucket of steaming mocha over to his desk, plunks down into his Comfy Chair, and kicks back contentedly*

I had weird dreams last night... Wierd but good, and EXTREMELY detailed. Only problem is that I was so busy figureskating in my socks in a supermarket that I slept in 'till noon. :P
And then when I turn on my computer, what greets me? Pictures of the USS Cole. Someone's gonna pay for that stunt. Whoever they are, now'd be a good time to get life insurance... *shuts up, and joins in the moment of silence*

On to the replies.

Wilek><<Definitely. Find someone *too* weird, and you might end up with someone who has hobbies like Greek ostrich wrestling and Indonesian octopus porn. (I'm still trying to forget Frito Del Fudgio.)>> Please, in the name of all that is holy, tell me you aren't talking about a real person... o_O <<It isn't? ;P>> "The pleasure is momentary, the position rediculous, and the price is Damnable!" - Lord Chesterfield
<<The MP3 can be acquired elsewhere on that site or at http://surf.to/fmc; I highly recommend it.>> LF rocks my world! And while on the topic of FF music, how about The Landing? Both of 'em are great songs to Do War to... <> Definatly leaning towards the later... *checks his Ka-Bar* <<What, are you people smoking me in a bong?>> What, didn't you know? We ran some of your 'sanity' through a tabacco press and made Wilek Cigars... The colors are absolutely incredible, though we have had a few random cases of psychosis and spontanious combustion. Handle with care. ;) j/k <<G-string? G-nome? G-nesis? G-n'pool? :P>> Don't encourage him. <<(Mine were like that. Every time I attempted a ritual, they were like, "Son, don't dissect people in the kitchen; you'll stain the tile. Son, don't burn effigies on the roof, you'll attract attention." Eesh.)>> Is freedom dead?!? <<What...?! >:/ What does this idiot think eclectic *means*, anyhow?!>> Uh... I always thought it meant "wierd-chic"... Kinda. Care to correct an idiot? <<I've always thought people should be allowed to own rocket launchers and anti-aircraft weaponry.>> How the heck do you hunt mountian goat with a 40mm Cannon? Granted, it's about the fastest kill possible, but the gear is pure death to hump up a mountian! And don't even get me started on the colateral damage problem for self defense...;) This reminds me of a movie; anyone ever seent the old Spielberg bomb "1941"? :) <<Leave your sanity with us, please; it chafes. :)>> Chafes *what*? o_O
<<See http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/3119/hive.html. :)>> *Valentine turns a dlicate shade of green* I'd *Urk*... Rather not, thanks...;P
<<Well, we do have much better means of getting food now than hunting or fishing, and both are rather gross pastimes (I for one would not like to prepare an animal for eating--it gets oogy stuff all over one's hands--and I'd really rather not spend more than a few hours away from civilization in the first place...I'm quite the domesticated little lapdog, really :P )...>> More efficient, maybe, but not nescessarily more moral... And as to the Oogy stuff, it doesn't matter after you get hungry enough... <<Who doesn't?>> ROFL! Good anwser!

Kryryn><<We've determined that there is a Gargoyles Fan Collective Unconscious. Certain elements tend to appear and reappear in different fanfics having been arrived at independently by their authors.>> I'm of the opinion that there's a a *Universal* Fan Collective Unconsious... Back When I was a Ranma 1/2 Fanfic junkie, I kept running across concepts that appear in Gargoyles fics...

Firestorm><<*FS pulls out a ICBM missle and throws it towards the Pokemon. The sky is soon filled with bright, cheery atomic colors*>> "Cheery Atomic Colors"? Ick...;P *Starts humming "Christmas at Ground Zero"*
<<BUT humans have quite a bit of protien in their brain...
And humans taste good.>> Do you, by any chance, own a copy of "AVP"?

Warpmind><<Oh! Oh! Is that the one with all the cartoon effects in the action scenes? Punches in written form covering the screen to hide the actual events? That old series is AWESOME!>> I remember seeing the... movie I think it was... The Joker had built a dehydrator ray that reduced people to little piles of sand, and hew used it on the world leaders... Anyone else remember this? <<As for whether or not I've ever fired a gun, well... kinda depends on your definition of "gun".>> To be totally honest, I only *own* two airguns, and no real ones. On the other hand, I've gotten time on an AK, a .22 semi-auto rifle, two Ruger pistols (9mm and .40 S&W), a sweet Ruger .45 SAA revolver, and pump and semi-auto shotguns. I've got good friends. :D <<(I held it VERY incorrectly - almost an inch in front of my sholder - the jerk slammed it into my arm.)>> *winces* Ouch! Bet you didn't do that twice...
<<Oh, and according to the Bible (or so I hear from those in the know), all magic originates from the infernal. Personally, I disagree with that; I reckon magic is on whuppin' big gray zone where you got the divine brand on on end of the scale, and the infernal brand on the other, and a heck of a lot of fun in-between.>> To my understanding, The prohibition of magic in the bible is based on God's hate of Idolitry; "you shall have no other gods before me". Apparently, the stance is that since God created all and is omnipotent, appealing to other powers (such as magic) is an insult... *shrugs* ...It's all pretty moot to me, as I'm severly skeptical of paranormal stuff like ESP and magic. That conflicts a bit with some Biblical accounts, but I just haven't gotten around to sorting it all out.
Out of curiousity, what exactly IS the magic you've been studying?
<<As for my getting an A-10 Gatling... well, no, but I *was* considering to meddle a bit with demonic summonings, and I want all the necessary precautions in place first. ;)>> Ah, so you want the government to bend the rules for you, so that you can be safer while possibly destroying the world? *thinks a bit* Well, it's the government... You could always try campaign contributions... <<Watch out, kids; the addiction is stronger than that of heroin. Or heroines, but that's another issue altogether... ;)>> Whoa... I'm not even gonna LOOK at that one... <<I'm a human, he's a gargoyle; HOW MANY CAN MAKE THAT MISTAKE ANYWAY??? (In other words, you're not the first to do this...)>> Maybe it's just that your brands of insanity are oddly similar..? <<Oh, and I really recommended "Eskimo" to Gunjack Valentine? Hmmm... *Scritches head* musta been those parody bits at the end, then... :|>> Glad to hear you weren't trying to draw any Fruedian paralels... :P

Lexy><<Boy it really is fun asking random ppl stupid questions, and then putting them in a paper. *loves this* The best 2 credits I ever earned *beams*>> Have I ever mentioned that I really, really envy you? ;D Pour the harsh light of inacurate portrayal upon the hives of cluelessness and apathy that are educational institutions! Havoc and War! HAVOC AND WAR!!! *Blinks a bit, and grins sheepishly* Sorry, too much mocha... <<It was a sociology *sp?* class entitled, "Marriage And The Family". It took me two classes to realize someone must have made a mistake, and what I was really suffering through was "Feminists 101"...>> 'kay, I don't envy you any more... tell me, is she the kind of teacher who would flunk you for exposing her as an illogical B****? If not... <<But when I got to the text books..well I realized something had to be done. The books couldn't form an argument to save their sorry butts..if they had any.>> I hate to say it, but I might actually enjoy that kind of class... Loads of opportunities for debate! On the other hand, there is the whole flunking/blacklisting/ruining-the-rest-of-my-life schtick she could pull, so... Probably not. :P <<It says, "back then, ppl used to live in dirt houses, and ppl had to work long hard hours. Infact, even the children had to work at very young ages. ...0_o...>> And as we all know, working and living conditions are the sole standard of happiness...
*Reads the rest of the post, finishes, rubs his eyes.*
I'm pretty new to logic, so could someone explain to me why this woman continues to have a teaching postion ANYWHERE?

Kitainia><<I have got to try those pranks you mentioned to Winterwolf sometime. The groom at the next wedding I attend is going to get quite a surprise. Just hope the bride's not anyone I know so I don't have to put them in on it. Heh.>> Eee... Am I the only one here who would worry about "offense (and Offence) on the field of honor"? That prank STILL sounds like a good way to loosen teeth... <<That's why Doug and I own a safe full of two Remington 12-gauge rifles, a Sabati double-barrel shotgun (which Cobra made my parents nuts by giving me for my eighteenth birthday :), two Colt .45s, and plenty of ammo. All with laser sights and registered in our names.>> *reads through the list, and then begins to weep softly.* And the sad thing is, you say you don't even like guns that much... There is no justice... ;D <<We don't go walking around with them, but if somebody breaks into our house, they better watch out. :)>> And may God have mercy on their souls... <<Some others are ridiculous, like the free trigger locks they distributed in Texas recently that turned out to be defective.>> *Blinks* ...I think I heard about this, but allowed myself to forget. Now THERE'S a fun adition to my quiver of arguements! <<Snake may have used a couple of chained-up coyotes Cobra, Bigger Dave, and Big Al had trapped earlier in place of a block of wood, but the effect was the same.>> Eeew!

Gside><> *grin* Fun, ain't it? I started out on Penny Arcade (thanks to Duece), and am currently up on about eight series... <<Cna't say I do that on a regular basis...>> Pity. Nothing compares to baking Ts with the muzzleblast of an AUG...;D
<<...though I have gotten back into my emulators (poor ignored DII). I finally gave up on FFIV Hardtype: couldn't get past waterboy.>> My sister has a question: do you know where I could find an emulation of Chronotrigger? My sister wanted one bad, and to be honest, so do I... And also, are translated versions of the Japanese-only FFs available? <<In a feeble effort to be somewhat healthy, I go with one of the percents.>> Who cares about healthy? <<No, mine is much, much better. I had it well before Skull got his gaming hat. I don't think any animals died to make any fezes.>> I wondered about that... <<And it is nice and warm in winter. But I really have only worn it while being supergeek in Goldeneye. If you want a description, think fur lined leather bombing hat. With earflaps. I love it.>> Ah, I know the type your talking about... does it have real chinchilla fur, or did they skimp with rabbit? <> Ah, that makes much more sense. Now all I'm trying to figure out is WHY you would be listening to music like that... ;) <<Are you saying I should put my clothes back on?>> More... *gag* Info than needed *wheeze* ;D <<No, just scarfing on the way between classes. You did just compare yourself to twinkies, after all.>> Ah, I LIKED the Wilegar idea... :) <<You're going to find out anyway.>> Ah, that ALSO explains a lot. Actually, I was refering to modern "art" peices that consisted mostly of hardcore porn.
<<And a reference in HHGtG, in the form of a statue of Leda and the Octopus.>> Funny, I thought Wilek can up with the idea of octopus porn... :) <<Too bad I never saw more than half a minute of the series.>> I've never even HEARD of it...

Shadowrider><<Hi to everyone! I'm home for a couple of days (I am supposed to return to the Regiment in Sunday), so I'll be around for the weekend!>> Excellent! Pull up a chair and a (IBC) bottle! <<So, how are you all? And what has happened in my absence?>> Don't look at me, I just got back too! I got here on the tail end of a few debates, and in time for the kickoff of a few more... Same old, same old. ;D <> Looking forward to it!

Lady Mystic><<Fire Storm's most troublesome wisdom tooth MAJORLY broke just a few hours ago. Now he's got to call off work and find an emergency dental surgeon.>>Eee... Words cannot express... *Curls up in a ball from sympathy pain*

Xenatrek><<She died between 130 and 2 PM on route to a Hospice in which she was really looking forward to it.>> She and you will be in our prayers...

Christine><<The guys in the class were even more skittish, rushing in and out like hunted things.>> And for good reason!

Jannie - Nice List. :)

DPH><<Who needs the chronostone anyways because after the next BFTS RP battle, seemingly almost nothing will be impossible for DPH?>> *switches to Crow voice* ...And yet he will remain humble... ;)

Doug - Glad to see you back, 'Mano... Though I'm sorry to hear about the idiot you work with. :P Here's to hoping he gets straightened out... <<Unfortunately, they try to get away with a lot. I report whatever I spot for everyone's good.>> Good man. That kinda crap can get EVERYONE in trouble real fast... <<Abortion Issues:...>> Heh. See below... :)

***********************THE ABORTION STUFF*******************

Entity><<Wow. Straight out of my mouth.>> Even if we disagree on everything else, at least we can agree to follow Reason. And who knows? Maybe you'll convince me of the folly of my benighted ways! :D And speaking of disagreements...
<<The line blurs when it comes to abortion. The two halves begin to overlap.>> I assume that you mean that "fetuses" acheive humanity gradually. I cannot directly refute that arguement, but I do think it raises more problems than it solves.
For instance, what specific change during the development of the fetus marks the threshhold of Life vs. Non-Life? between conception and birth, I have heard of no changes that could provide an anchor for this line; the process is one long, incremental development. This, to my understanding, is where most of the arguements crop up, and I'm sure that someone else will be happy to supply them shortly after this is posted. Just remember, punching and kicking are ok, but no biting. I hate being bitten...;)
Assuming that the "fetus" is not human life before birth, what about birth, medically, would make it the place to draw that line? The only way that the line could be drawn at birth were if the "fetus" underwent a change greater than the rest of development. To my understanding, no such change takes place. There are no scientific grounds, to my knowledge, for the position of the Federal Government and the majority of America. That scares me.
*turns to the rest of the room*
I'm aware that most of the CR denizens will disagree with the above statements, and unlike many people I know, I'm unable to accept the "it's true for you, but not for me" responce. If you disagree with the above, please rip a wide hole in it with logic. Anything less would be a disservice to everyone. *ends public service anouncement*
<<You're a fun responder-toer.>> The feeling's mutual, I assure you. :D

Doug><<Abortion Issues: I share Gunjack's opinions on giving children who survive them full civil rights.>> *blinks* ...Actually, no you don't, though at least you're logically consistent within your own beliefs. I was outlining the logical consequences of the other side's views, not advancing my own. I applaud the 15 reps who voted "nay" simply because they were being logically consistent on an importent topic.
<<IMO, it would be euthanasia to kill those kids. Imagining the pain they've already experienced is bad enough, to think they'll have to live with more�<shakes head>>> I agree that it would be euthanasia, but I disagree that euthanasia is a good thing. Quality of life is about more than pain or deformity. If I was shot in the spine during a mugging, and though horribly crippled survived, I'd hate for someone to decide that my quality of life was sufficiently low to justify finishing me off.
<<<sigh> Oh well, this issue is not really mine to worry about.>> Why? You do vote, don't you? It's a rather important topic, no matter which side you're on...

************************END ABORTION STUFF******************

Well, It's taken me nine hours to write this baby (with breaks to visit with my visiting grandparents), and here's to hoping it doesn't crash the CR or something... :P

Until next time,
Peace, Love, Dope!
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 14, 2000 02:43:19 AM
IP: 209-223-253-79.ausa.net

**RP HERE**

"I say!" a short nervous-looking Englishman in an old brown suit gasps as the screen comes on revealing Mary Bey aiming a Desert Eagle at him. "I'm your friend!" "Sorry, Michael," Mary gasps in relief, lowering the gun and shaking her head. "We had a bit of a row here, and one of the instigators probably got away. I was afraid you were him come back." "I heard about that row from my police contact," Michael Marter nods, stepping inside the apartment. "It's why I came down here to check on you. Is everyone okay?" "Yeah, we're fine," Hassan says. "Dad and I got knocked out, Patty's real shaken up, and they destroyed the TV, but we're all alright." "Good," Michael smiles, glancing at Mary. "Patty's not the only one who got shook up, I'd say." Mary blushes and puts the gun down. "Michael!" Fasil calls just then, stepping out of his room with Lloky just behind. Patty and Sarita come out of Hassan's room as well, the latter girl giving Hassan a smile and playful punch on the arm. He nods at her and returns the grin. "Good to see you all alive and well," Michael nods at all of them, looking confused when he sees Lloky. "I'm a new friend of the family," the dragon introduces herself. "I'm an old one," Michael replies with a grin. "So who attacked you?" "Some wizard and a flesh golem," Fasil replies. "They were working for Abdullah. The wizard appears to have gotten away." "That's too bad," Michael sighs. "Do you all remember what he looked like? I have a friend in the local Ministry of Magic who keeps files on problem sorcerers." "You'd have to show me pictures," Mary says. "I was too scared to get a really good look at him." "And I don't want to remember that bad man," Patty adds with a shiver. "I only saw his backside," says Sarita, "where I stuck a knife." Michael raises his eyebrows, nods as Fasil and Hassan shake their heads and grin, then looks at Lloky. "He looked like this," she says, waving her hand and creating an image of Jazeem. Michael's eyes widen and then he smiles. "Ah, a little mage," he says. "Interesting. Do you go to Hogwarts? Durmstrang? BeauxBatons?" "I'm a dragon," Lloky answers, causing Michael's eyes to get even wider as the Bey family and Sarita exchange chuckles and grins. "I see," Michael grins finally. "Well, I don't recognize that wizard right off, but perhaps my friends in the MIM will." He takes out his camera and snaps a picture, then nods as Lloky waves the image away. "Well, that's done. Now, I also wanted to tell you that�" He stops as there is another knock on the apartment door. "I wonder who that is?" "Let's find out," Mary says, handing Fasil his gun.

Meanwhile in a bar just down the street from the apartment, three men are sitting around a table talking. "Achmed! Yasser!" the first man grins. "Have you heard? The King of Jordan is going to be visiting this city this evening, going into a building just down the street and meeting with some people there. This is our chance to pay him back for his father's exiling us from our homeland for the deeds we did in Allah's name!" "You are sure he is coming, Yousef?" Achmed asks, smiling while Yasser shrugs. "Yes, I am sure," Yousef insists. "My leak in his bodyguards confirmed King Abdullah II's itinerary. He will be coming here. And we will get him!" "How will we do it?" Yasser asks. "Car bomb? Grenades? Shotgun to the head? How, my brothers?" As Yousef and Achmed frown at each other, a waiter walks up to the table. "Excuse me, gentlemen," he asks, "did I hear right? You're planning to kill the King of Jordan?" "Yes," Yousef replies with a smile. "You want to help us?" "Actually I want to save my own life," the waiter answers, and as the three men gasp in shock, he then pulls out an Uzi and guns them down with a few quick precise shots. "Sorry about the mess," he tells the bartender, tossing him a bag of gold and heading for the door. "That was risky, my son," Queen Noor says to King Abdullah as he steps outside, falling into step beside him. "If they had recognized you�" "You forget I am a master of disguise, Stepmother," the King of Jordan chuckles. "And I went in prepared for those men. Their leak did the right thing in succumbing to the torture last night after we caught him." Grinning, the king checks his watch and points down the street. "The Bey family will be expecting us, let's go say hello to them." "Alright," Noor shakes her head, following her stepson as he walks on down the street.

**END THIS BIT OF RP**

Hi everybody. Kit said I might be posting in here tonight, here I am. :) Before I say anything, I want to thank everyone who gave their encouragement to me about the recent problems at work. They're easing up now somewhat. The guy who I trained but who didn't listen to me and doesn't take his job seriously is still earning a D-minus on the job- this Tuesday morning he just walked off the post without even calling in for relief, not giving a damn about it and getting us all in big trouble. Not only that, he lied about his reason for doing so when I asked him why he did it, said that Abel had told him it was okay- a lie and we both knew it, though I of course didn't let him know I knew. <sigh> Abel's giving the son of a gun one more chance, having his right hand and our best officer Corporal Rubio retrain him tonight. Hope this time he's made to pay attention. Rubio's probably been forewarned about what happened with me, so he'll be prepared. I'm keeping my fingers crossed it will work, hope y'all will too. That's the only major bit of news on the work front, everything else has calmed down and is going okay. Most of the problem officers are learning from their mistakes, it seems, which is good. Also got an A- on one of my midterms, a C+ on another, both grades I can live with. Hope to get the third one back soon and have done well on it too. On to comments and replies.

**SPOILERS FOR GET CARTER**
Like Kit, I enjoyed this movie quite a bit. Great preformances from Stallone and Rachael Leigh Cooke especially. Never seen her in such a complex role before. Also good dialogue in the movie, more than decent music and cinematography, and real nice action, especially in the car chases. The fist fights could have used better choreography, though. And the scriptwriter needed some major pointers, especially when it came to plot holes and writing Michael Caine the kind of part he deserved. I can see the critics lambasting the film for those things, just wish they'd mentioned the good parts too. Oh well. No good movies this week apparently, next week is Bedazzled and there'll definitely be a review of that from me and Kit. :)
**END GET CARTER SPOILERS, REVIEW**

SJ: I'm with you on Return of the Joker. Censorship is almost never a good thing, and especially not in this case. Like Kit said, I've already signed an online petition. Maybe I'll send those two sales directors some recommendations too if I get the time. If enough people have done the same already, maybe just maybe they'll listen. <sighs> I better get to see the full version of this film so all my questions about the Batman Beyond universe can be answered. (Good episode of it last week btw, hope they have a good one tomorrow too.) Good comments on the recent political goings-on, I too will be glad when they're at an end.

Brooklyn: I noticed you were back, just forgot to say anything. Sorry about that. Will try to remember next time. Welcome back belated. :)

Jackal: Glad you decided to keep your kids in the end and you're enjoying having them around now. I don't really like abortion either, though you and I share opinions on the issue in many ways. Hope your kids continue to grow and turn out well, thanks for keeping us up to date on their lives and yours.

Arianna: Yes, you melting into the shadows is quite familiar. <grin> Good to see you doing it once more. Congrats on possibly getting into that debate, if you really want to be in it I hope you can. And I wish you luck. <bows>

Kyryn: Thanks for the good luck wishes and encouragement, as well as the condolences on Charles, which were better late than never given. :) I finally decided to quit mourning him today and took the black tape off my badge. Every other officer had done that already, when he was laid to rest, but I felt motivated to wear it longer, he meant so much to me. One thing's for sure, I'll be remembering the lessons he laid down all my life. :) My congrats to Okami on getting out of his bad job, I wish him the best of luck with the new one he gets. Thank goodness my bosses have never treated me like that, hopefully they never will. :)

Warpmind: Security Guard is a decent job, and IMO, you'd probably be good at it. To answer your questions, we don't have too many requirements for our employees to get on the payroll. They have to appear initially reliable, sensible, and so on, but my boss has been fooled many times, resulting in mistakes that must be corrected. <sigh> Sadism and cruelty on the job is not tolerated at all, if Abel finds out about any of it the officer who did it gets a very stern reprimand and is then watched closely. We tag the problem people quickly once we're made aware of them. Unfortunately, they try to get away with a lot. I report whatever I spot for everyone's good. <sigh> I wish it would stop happening. Oh well.

Nadia: Happy Belated Thanksgiving, glad you had such a good one. A full belly and well-spent time with family are the rewards that holiday is supposed to provide. Congrats also on getting your work published, it's nice to see your life looking up a bit. My condolences on the loss of your mother to breast cancer, it's good to see she meant so much to you even if it's so sad she's gone. <sigh> You can take heart that she's definitely watching from heaven, and you'll always have your memories of her to guide your way. :) <hugs> You are definitely very right in your comments about memories.

SOROW: Your mother needs some serious reprimanding. Jesus! <shakes head> My condolences on what happened at the game. It's good that you know the reason for her behavior now, but like you I can not understand what your mom's deal is. Glad your dad is at least on your side and helping you get through this. <sighs> Hopefully soon the problem will be eased or go away. I'll keep praying. Good luck. <grimaces at having to wish it, gives hugs>

Winterwolf: Thanks very much for the encouragement, it was needed in a major way. Made me feel great too. Hope you are able to continue helping people all your life, it's one thing you'll never regret IMO. Just like doing the right thing. Good luck with your huge workload, hope it soon eases and has good results for you. <grin>

Gside: Thanks for the good luck wishes, I'll take them to heart. :)

Tim P: Good words on overreacting. I agree with you on every point. Sir Winston was very right when he said that if one trades freedom for security, they'll soon find they have neither. <sigh>

Jaden: Farewell, hope to be saying welcome back in a couple weeks. Once again, good luck in Korea and be careful. Hope you have good experiences and stay safe.

DPH: That sounds like incompetent management alright. <shakes head> Look at it this way, even with little work you'll still get paid, right? :) Good luck, hope the situation is soon fixed. <crosses fingers>

Niamhgold: Congrats on the good fall break, and on getting all the work done that you did. Bet it was a hassle when you had it and now it's good to have it gone, right? :) Glad you're also having nice weather right now. Still looking forward to your next fanfic when it comes out.

Mary: Your mother really needs to take a chill pill. What is her deal? <shakes head> Your food service instructor bugs me too, hope there's somebody you can complain to him about it besides us. <growls> Kit's already given you the best advice on both these situations I could, hope you take it. And that you soon get out of that bad situations and are able to live in a place where the people respect you for who you are and treat you accordingly. And not just hang out in one. <grin> Good luck. <hugs> Kit and I thought you were Native American because of what you said about them, sorry for the mistake. My Cherokee ancestors were in the early 1800s, but my Seminole ones were in the 1700s also, I think.

Guandalug: Like Kit said, glad you're helping Chris recode the archive. Keep up the good work, congrats on what you've accomplished so far. I'll get my stuff backed up soon as I have the time, hope I have a while. The way things are going right now�<grimace> I'll get it done, don't worry. Thanks to you, Firestorm, and Chris for the reminders. Good luck accomplishing your tasks.

Jenna: Looking forward to that piece and fanfic, thanks for letting us know they were on the way. :)

Lynati, Ghost, King Snarf, Mohammed, etc.: Welcome newcomers! New friends hopefully. Hope you all will enjoy hanging out here for a long time to come.

Archwolf: Welcome back. Hope you can post regularly again now. Good luck with the RL troubles in your life. Please do let Kit and me know soon if you can if it's okay for us to play around with your character in the RP, and whether you want us clearing the plans we make involving him with you first. :)

**PENDRAGON SPOILERS**
Good job on this week's episode, TGS Staff. The development on Jennifer was nice, good pic of her too. Also enjoyed the development on Arthur and that on Morgana (nice plot twist making her the Connection), and the Merlin-Mary relationship progress. Hope they make up soon. Good dialogue all throughout the ep, and nice plot twists too. Especially liked those involving Duval, who also had good development. Elaine's relationship with Arthur I can now regard as a good story in the making. :) Duval's identity I can understand too, I've enjoyed reading all the speculation about it. I'm eager to see how things play out. :) Looking forward to more intriguing developments on other characters next week too, hope for more on Elaine in particular. All in all, 9/10 on this ep. My kudos especially to the editors and the outline people for a great job on a plot that covered all the characters and made sense without getting too long. Can hardly wait for Part 2!
**THESE SPOILERS END**

Emmabu: Hope to get your next question soon, I now may have time to answer it. <grin> Thanks again for the job-related encouragement. We do indeed have required tests for our officers, but Abel really needs people right now so if they seem to fulfill the requirements I mentioned to Warpmind above, he hires them immediately. <sighs> And he is thankfully learning from his mistakes as time goes on. It appears so anyway. <sighs> At least we're not as bad as the company that had our job before us was. Their officers were pretty much all lazy unreliable sons-of-bitches and didn't do their jobs well at all. Not only that, the officers of the company often didn't get paid on time and their checks would bounce when they did get paid, or so I've heard. Very shady. <grimace> That company's out of business now, as far as I know. Once more, thanks for the good luck wishes and the prayers. Hope they accomplish what they're supposed to. <fingers crossed> Congrats on the good test grades, my condolences on the bad.

Abortion Issues: I share Gunjack's opinions on giving children who survive them full civil rights. IMO, it would be euthanasia to kill those kids. Imagining the pain they've already experienced is bad enough, to think they'll have to live with more�<shakes head> The condition Kyryn mentioned saddens me too, I'm of the opinion that those kids with it are not sentient in any sense of the word. Unfortunately. <sigh> Oh well, this issue is not really mine to worry about. Just hope the politicians are someday able to get their heads screwed on straight about it. :(

**BUFFY, ANGEL SPOILERS**
Liked both episodes of these shows that came on Tuesday night, even though I didn't get the time to watch them till the next morning due to a co-worker's brakes failing. <sigh> Hope he gets those fixed soon, I'll ask Abel about it tomorrow. The Riley, Spike, and Willow development in the Buffy ep was great, and the Xander development was of course even better. Loved all the surprise plot twists in the ep, and in particular the take Whedon did on doppelgangers in it. Also liked the villain, even if his character did seem a little cliched. The dialogue was likewise great all throughout, and there was a good plot. The Anya bits were entertaining also, and hilarious. :) Wish we'd seen more of Dawn and Tara, but that's my only gripe. Looking forward to more Buffy-Riley development next week, hope the issue of whether or not she really loves him or ever can gets resolved. It made me feel really sad when I heard Riley make the acknowledgement of how he thinks Buffy feels for him. And it seems like he's right too. <sigh> Now don't get me wrong, I don't entirely like Riley that much, but now he can be given my sympathies at least. <shakes head> Hope I don't have to keep them on him for long.

As for Angel, it too had a great episode this week. The development on Cordelia and Gunn was quite well-written and nicely acted out too. On both their parts. Enjoyed the dialogue between them, especially where Gunn's losing his temper too often with people was concerned. Phantom Dennis had another great joke involving him, and Wesley had nice comedic bits also. Really liked what was done with Angel, the dreams he had were spooky as heck. Nice cinematography in them also, and good acting and scripting of the scenes. I'll be very eager to see how this plot develops, it's good to see it's gonna be going on for a while. Hope more attention will be paid to developing Angel and Darla's characters as things progress, am confident it will. Also really enjoyed the surprise plot twists in this week's episode, and the villain, who made a good foil for Gunn as well as a menacing figure. Hope they keep up the great work.
**SPOILERS OVER**

'60s Batman: I enjoy that show because of its campiness, believe it or not. Whenever I need great superhero-related laughs, it's the thing to watch. Has good cliffhangers and fight scenes too, IMO. Pity no more new episodes are getting made.

Stephen: Glad your job search is going well, thanks for keeping us up to date on it. I wish you continued good luck.

Wilek: Welcome back once again. Thanks for your condolences. Like I told Kyryn, better late than never. :) Thanks for the encouragement too, it's good to see Kit and I aren't the only ones amazed by all the problems going on at my job, and relieved that they're in a period of easing. <fingers crossed>

XenaTrek: I missed you. Welcome back! Condolences on the tire blowout. And condolences also, as well as a moment of silence, on the loss of your stepgrandmother. <sighs heavily> At least she died knowing who she was, she's left you many many good memories, and her suffering's been eased now. Bet she's enjoying heaven too. :)

<moment of silence also for the lost crew members of the Cole> This situation scares the heck out of me too, especially after reading what Coyote said about the declaration that Palestinian youth made. <growls> There is WAY too much insanity in the Middle East.

Lexy: And it sounds like whatever insanity isn't there probably resides on your campus. <sighs> Congrats on getting out of that awful class. Like Kit said, I hope you can complain to the department dean about what made you drop it and be paid the right amount of attention. That lousy self-absorbed excuse for a professor of the course really needs to be shown the truths and facts of life. Pity Kit and I can't be the ones to do it. <grimace> In any case, congratulations, hope your school life is much easier now. And a big WB to the CR.

Shadowrider: Hey friend! Welcome back, even if it's brief. Things have been going up and down for Kit and me recently. Check the archives and you'll hear about all my job troubles, as well as the saddening loss of the man who was very much my mentor on the job. I'm only barely over that latter thing by now. Hope that things are going well for you, thanks for stopping in. Here's some hugs we owe you. <gives them out>

Jannie: Very good points on guns. I wish more people would use them responsibly so such reminders did not have to be made. :(

DPH: Glad things are progressing well with getting the accident settled. I can't really say if your recent speculation about it holds water or not, maybe so. <shrugs> Good luck getting things resolved eventually, however long it takes.

And that's all I have to post tonight. Must go now, and sleep to relieve splitting headache. Hopefully it will be gone in the morning, it was thankfully my only bit of bad luck today. Hope that all of you had similarly small amounts, or smaller. Hugs to all who need them, and later!

**RESUME RP- RAVENS' SAGA**

In Thailog's secret base, the clone gargoyle is sitting in front of a viewscreen smiling at the person displayed on it. "Good to see you again, Asil," he says. "I had thought you were dead." "You thought wrong," Asil laughs in reply. "It takes a lot more than a few weeks in some dingy hellhole to kill me. It is good to be back, fighting on your side once again." "Yes," Thailog nods. "It is good to have you back, and helping Nipon in Atlanta. What have you discovered so far?" "Admiral Nipon is preparing the report on that right now," Asil answers. "Let me go see if he's done." Thailog suppresses a grimace as she gets up and walks off, then turns to face the door of his room as Stephen Franks walks in smiling. "Security system's back online, sir," he salutes. "The Texas Tech boy, the Aggie bitch, and I were bogged down in coding when suddenly it all just went right somehow. We don't know how, but it did. It's working now." "Perhaps our antivirus programs finally kicked in," Thailog shrugs. "Thank you for delivering this good news. The intruders?" "I'll check on the situation with them, sir," Franks says. "They should be dead." "See that they are!" Thailog snaps as he leaves, grabbing his communicator. "Dahak, have you found Gar yet?" "No my lord," the evil fay answers. "Still looking." "Hurry and find him," Thailog commands. "Give him proper reprimand when you do. As the only one of my allies who can match Gar in magical power, you are best disposed to do that." "Yes," Dahak agrees. "I shall." "Good," Thailog nods, then looks over at a patch of shadows standing in the room's corner. "You wish something of me, Master?" Shadow Wolf inquires. "Go help Dahak find Gar," Thailog orders. "Then look for the intruders and if they're still alive...." He leaves the sentence unfinished. "It shall be done," Shadow Wolf declares, sneaking off. As Thailog turns back to the viewscreen, the wave of order Xothux created continues to spread through and rearrange the layout of the base.

The display changes to the Mall of America's food court, where thousands of shoppers and employees are fleeing and screaming as the gang of losers Pastor John gathered attacks the Ravens. Mall security guards are rushing towards the food court with drawn weapons, but they are met by Githyanki warriors armed with AK-47s and swords who quickly cut them down. "Keep the mall sealed off!" Pastor John is saying into a magical globe as he observes his minions. "Let no one escape conscious!" "I have set up a stun cloud effect to knock out anyone who steps out any of the doors," Galante replies from outside. "Should it not work on anyone, the people we have out here will handle it." "Excellent," John smiles. "Lady Synatia will be pleased. Geburah, are you and your associate ready on the roof?" "We shall drop down on the cleric Orion Sanders shortly," the cornugon replies from his position at the food court's skylight, chuckling as Tanith, who is crouched beside him, licks her sword in preparation. "Want to see him and the others thin out their initial opposition first." "Remember they're all expendable," John replies, frowning as he suddenly notices one of the people who he had sent to face the Ravens is not attacking them. "You! Come here!" "Sir?" Greg Williams inquires, dashing over. "Why are you not doing battle with the Ravens?" the demonic former street preacher asks with a growl. "I'm scared of them, man," Greg shrugs. "I'm not a fighter. Better for me to watch the people who are." "You better turn into a fighter now," John clenches his fists, his eyes widening. "Turn or Burn!" "Hey, no way, man," Greg chuckles nonchalantly. "They're gonna die anyway, I don't need to do anything. Don't know how to anyway. I'm gonna just watch. That's okay, right?" He stops, seeing the hellfire in John's eyes and on his fingertips. "Uh, wait, I�" His words are cut off with a huge scream of pain as John blasts him to ashes with a wave of his hand. "Useless insolent lazy sinner," John mutters. "And he fooled me into thinking he was capable too." "Bet you're not the first person he fooled into thinking that," Jerry Bennet chuckles, appearing next to John in a puff of black smoke. "Good you took care of him." "Right," John agrees, looking over at the Ravens. "Ready to help me get their attention?" Jerry nods and laughs. "They're gonna smell what this vrock is cooking." With that, he assumes his vulture-demon form and draws his glaive. John whistles and the big black hellhound he has been using to track the Ravens rushes to his side yipping. "Let's go," John says, and Jerry nods. They start heading towards the Ravens' battle as the screen goes blank.

**END RP AND POST**
Doug - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Saturday, October 14, 2000 01:39:58 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.241.dlls.grid.net

Oh well, must have gotten the cursor on submit then pressed space. Here's what little that I didn't get to

Mary Flanders> <>: According to family legend, both sides of my family claim a native ancestor. Supposedly making me 3/32. The rest is is .25 Ukranian, and approximately 3/8 each French and English.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:43:57 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Fire Storm> May you and your wallet have a rapid recovery.

XenaTrek> You have my condolences.

Ghost> <<people who were educated beyond their intelligence>>: What a sad, sad fate for me.

Shadowrider> Gret to see you again. Shoot down any flying things yet?

Nadia> And some condolences to you too. For it appears that you still need them.

Warpmind> This may interest you: The king of Sweeden recently awarded a Rutgers professors the L. M. Ecicsson International Prize in Communications. Further proof that your neighbors are idiots.
<<In other words, you're not the first to do this...>>: Over here. But I think mine was Warpmind/Winterwolf.
<<there's WAY more cheesy music out there that you can ever hope to post>>: I do hape that at least some of my music is actually good. But then, that might explain my tastes.

Cal�ope> Do you know that you've gotten me to remember that an i accent aigu is Alt-0237?
<>: Right, as I said, the caffiene syrup.
<<Well, at least it works, your getting your anime>>: But there are problems. Lower (but still partially recognizeable) resolutions. Relying on the kindness of others to digitize and share items. Slow transfer speeds. Needing to go to lower bandwidth for certain files (and it doesn't seem to follow any pattern either). Would you believe that so far, I have over two gigs worth of Ranma so far. And that 300Meg fansub of Mononoke Hime? I'm rather happy I decided to go for that burner.

Mrs. Morgan> <<the Women's Studies building (a dinky converted house on campus)>>: Just imagine what happens when they give them an entire campus. Though there was a nice editorial in the Targum today (yesterday) entitled "Feminism is more than unshaved legs: A short skirt means independence just the same." However, it was written by a poli. sci. major...

Mary
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:40:45 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Caliope> ok. Greg> Well either that or he's a Highlander type immie. Hmm maybe the same goes for Proffesor Jones.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:33:34 AM
IP: proxy1-external.pwy1.sdca.home.com

BTW! I finished chapter 3 of my Ranma 1/2 fanfic! I e-mailed it to Mike Counts(owner of Ranma 1-2 Shrine) and Shampoo (owner of CatCafe.net) It will be posted soon. :) Hope you all enjoy it! ^_^
Mary (again)
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:06:10 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Kataina>Um...I'm not Native American. Not fully, anyway. I have Cherokee ancestor from the 1700's, but that's it. Out of curiousity, what made you think I was?
Mary Flanders
Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:02:24 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Been a while since I've posted but I've been hidiously busy

*** BUFFY SPOILERS ***

I enjoyed this weeks episode for a lot of reasons. I was quite glad that we didn't have another evil Doppleganger, and it's nice to see Xander doing better for himself.

Thoth, I liked him. At last we're back to the basics. The demon is wearing cool robes. Not like those stupid Redneck demons that we saw last season. Thoth dressed kind of like Darth Maul.

Buffy doesn't love Riley. I personally dislike Backstreet Riley, so hopefully he'll be gone soon. And it's nice to see that things aren't ideal.

And finally Spike. The scene with him in the junkyard was fun. But I've noticed that people are calling the scene where he kicks the manaquin he dubbed 'Slayer' was comedic where it was 100% serious. Do any of you realise what Spike is doing? He's preparing himself so that he will eventually be able to overide the chip in his head. He's preparing himself to mentally associate Buffy with the manaquin so he can kill her. Mind over matter. THis should be interesting.

*** END BUFFY SPOILERS ***

To all who are experiencing "Babylon 5" for the first time. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Stick with it, you've seen nothing so far. Except maybe for today... a hint of things to come. Well continue watching the greatest Sci-Fi series ever. Star Trek's got nothing on Babylon 5.
I was also waiting to see everyone's reaction to the revelation of Duval's identity. Sorry if we disappointed a few of you. But you were all surprised which is good.

And who ever said that the Grail is what made Duval immortal?

::runs back into the shadows before the Possible Spoiler police can catch him::
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 13, 2000 09:56:27 PM
IP: fe0-0.cache-01.nyc.bestweb.net

**enters solemnly and hugs XenaTrek**

I just sent a message to ya. But lemme say again, you have my deepest and sincere condolences.

**reaches into his pocket, producing a candle and a Zippo lighter**

It's only right, you did it for mine, that I should do this for yours ... **lights the candle and sets it on the table** ... I don't know exactly what to say here, being non-Catholic ... but I'll wing it ... in memoriam of Jackie Terwilliger, her soul and body laid to rest, sent to a better place than this.

**hugs again before leaving**
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 13, 2000 07:01:40 PM
IP: 216.28.101.136

::hugs XenaTrek::: I'm really sorry m'friend.. if you need someone to talk to I'm here.
Bronx
Friday, October 13, 2000 06:54:08 PM
IP: spider-tj081.proxy.aol.com

**WARNING: ACCIDENT RELATED**
I was thinking somehow on my way home. I was behind a car that was behind a truck. I noticed that there was NO way for tell to me how close they were. Then, a scenario popped up in my head. What if I came to a complete stop (without hitting the vehicle in front of me) before the vehicle in front of me did? From the point of the vehicle behind me, it might look like I hit the vehicle in front of me. Oops, there blows the viewpoint of the person behind me. Am I being perfectly logical on this or am I letting my emotions take over?
**END ACCIDENT RELATED**

**SANITY-INCREASING DEVICE**
How far into the future to find a device to increase sanity? Before we can say how far, we have to take into account certain assumptions: 1) Aliens will not give us the device; 2) Aliens will not invade the planet, thus slowing down the progress of building such a device; 3) Someone today is working on a such a device and someone will always be working on such a device until it is invented; 4)Mankind is not exterminated. Given these assumptions, I would almost certainly conclude such a device should be in existance within 10,000+ years. However, you forgot three problems: how to know what such a device would look like, and where it will be, and how many such devices will be in existance. While you are at it, bring back a replicator so we can mass produce sanity-increasing devices. Heck, we might make the existance of sanity-increasing devices, a temporal paradox. The question is then asked, Have we in the future brought back a replicator and sanity-increasing devices? if the answer is yes, then finding the sanity-increasing device and replicator should be easy. Who needs the chronostone anyways because after the next BFTS RP battle, seemingly almost nothing will be impossible for DPH?
**END SANITY INCREASING DEVICE**

**Pain rant**
I do not know. Right now, there might be enough anger and frustration within me to probably send DC into space on a collision course with the sun. It is frustrating not being able to walk around freely and it makes me angry when I think about the #$@!%*@&*@ false police report that has screwed me up.
**END PAIN RANT**

no bfts rp from me this weekend. I am off this weekend and I have to catch up on the BFTS RP archive.

**DPH shifts into WEEKEND MODE and notices his jar of sanity is still inside his pocket when he leaves the room through a portal.**
DPH - [<--click here to vote for your favorite BFTS RP plotline]
AR, USA
Friday, October 13, 2000 06:34:01 PM
IP: max1-49.cwy.cei.net

In light of the recent discussion concerning gun control... I just received this in an email ;)

Gun Refresher Course

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Colt : The original point and click interface.
4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.
9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
10. The United States Constitution (c) 1789. All Rights Reserved.
11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
12. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.
13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
14. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.
15. Know guns, know peace. No guns, no peace.
16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
17. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.
18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
19. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.
20. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.
21. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens tries to control them.
22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
23. Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more.
24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
25. The American Revolution would never have happened if the colonists had submitted to Gun Control Laws.

Jannie
Friday, October 13, 2000 05:25:02 PM
IP: 64-240-37-150.hou.port.mytelco.com

Lexy > oh, ag ... I can't bear teachers like that (heck, any people like that, for that matter). I once had a Latin class that was held in the Women's Studies building (a dinky converted house on campus). I dreaded going there; the very atmosphere seemed poison. The guys in the class were even more skittish, rushing in and out like hunted things. That hostile mindset is one I've never understood.

Avalon Mists > currently accepting submissions for the Winter issue! Looking for fics, pics, filks, character spotlights, and basically about everything! And don't forget the Artists and Writers Challenge -- the Gargoyle Olympics! Still got plenty of time; the deadline isn't until Nov. 22! Send them to me at christine@sabledrake.com. Thanks!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, October 13, 2000 04:42:02 PM
IP: 14-103.009.popsite.net

Helloooo!!!! *waves and smiles* ^_~

James> lol not really, I dont drink sopa pop, I'm just happy on life! :P

Winterwolf> <<Will have to plan out fun all weekend long!>> LOL Now all I need is to actualy GO there! Minor detail!? no? :P <<You'd be the best character for sure! I can see you whacking them upside the head!>> LOL Exactly what I had in mind!!! Maybe I should audition, huh? :P

Gside> Well, at least it works, your getting your anime! <> lol dont worry, I'm a broke @$$ monkey too, as much as I LOVE anmie, I dont own a single video, I rent them, $1.50 for 3 days + I rent them with my room mate, so its only half of that per video. I do buy Manga tho, just one series, Inu-Yasha, its by the same author as Ranma, and its rumored that the anime version will be out soon! Yey! :P

Late but sure BUFFY/ANGEL stuff>
Well, The buffy ep was good! I never much liked Riley to begin with and I still dont, but the fact that he actualy noticed he was just a Boy toy there gave none existing points to his perceptivness in my view. Xander was great, as usual, dubbly great actualy ;) I cant get over the snoopy dance!!! lol As for Angel, I loved the whole "medly" discucion at the begining of the ep, too bad we couldnt witness his performance :P Besides that, I'm glad they expanded on Gunn, I like him, and Wesly's little picup line to Angel with the whole helmet gig was hilarious :P

Ok! Gotta go, I'll be seein' yas!!! *HUGZ all and skips on out*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 13, 2000 03:48:09 PM
IP: 136.145.70.217

Sorry Warpmind
James Birdsong
Friday, October 13, 2000 03:08:32 PM
IP: proxy1-external.pwy1.sdca.home.com

*Warpmind enters, puffing on a cigarillo and grinning, leaving a small, black case labeled "Al Capone Sweets" on the table.*
Ah, pre-dipped in cognac... sweetness galore. ]:) Watch out, kids; the addiction is stronger than that of heroin. Or heroines, but that's another issue altogether... ;)

DPH: Who here plans ahead? Not me; that's for sure... far too often I've wound up in a situation with no contingency plans... so better not to plan and instead go with the flow... remember MacGyver. ;)

James Birdsong: *Wilek* de InzanE? Uh, dude... you're mixing us up. I'm a human, he's a gargoyle; HOW MANY CAN MAKE THAT MISTAKE ANYWAY??? (In other words, you're not the first to do this...)

Oh, well, I hear there's a rather unusual astronomical conjunction happening tonight... Full moon, and... was it Jupiter and Saturn? At least two planets close to the moon, supposedly in an extremely positive astrological conjunction... I'll be stargazing tonight, methinks. :)

Lexy: So you'll be at the Gathering, too? Fun... looking even more forward to it now. :) Oh, and that teacher you ranted about... sounds frighteningly familiar. Do you know if she incidentally has kin in Norway? :|

Lynati: I'd love to see it in TGS Gargoyles, but in my ficverse? Unfortunately, that'd probably be a bit difficult, since Matt's turned out to be a reincarnated Arthurian knight, and follows Arthur now... :| (If you're interested, my fics *are* in the archive...)

Kit: If it's any comfort, I'm not likely to use RU-486, ever, either. Though, since I am equipped with one of those cute little Y chromosomes, I guess that generally goes without saying, anyway... ;) Oh, and that money? I got that two weeks ago... that was what the ruckus was about then. :) Over 6400$ in one single transfer - I'm sure you can imagine my surprise when I requested to hear my account balance... at least I'm certain to get to G2001, if nothing else. :)

Gside: Ah, amigo, there's WAY more cheesy music out there that you can ever hope to post, with more being made every day. Just stay off Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears, and you'll do just fine. ;) Oh, and I really recommended "Eskimo" to Gunjack Valentine? Hmmm... *Scritches head* musta been those parody bits at the end, then... :|

XenaTrek: Condolances for your step-granny. May you find rest in the knowledge that she's probably in a better place now...

Ghost: Hmmm... *maybe* the news article wasn't altogether accurate. (Then again, maybe it was, but just old - I think it was around the time the *first* movie arrived...)

Hail thee, Shadowrider! And best of luck on thy journey. :) And you come back in one piece, y'hear? ;)

Well, that oughtta do it... later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, October 13, 2000 02:47:11 PM
IP: mp-217-213-95.daxnet.no

This is for XenaTrek and any others here who have lost,
I didn't want to email you because you don't know me and I didn't want to invade your privacy...
**gives great big hugs and a string of one hundred and eight white paper cranes**
I understand a little of what you are feeling. I lost my mum to breast cancer in February of last year. She died at home, in her own bed. She was in a lot of pain but had so much morphine in her body that I don't think she felt too much. The hardest part was that the cancer had spread to her brain. When dad finally called me up at university and asked if I wanted to come home because she only had a few more days.. I don't even know if she recognized me. Maybe for an instant, I would like to think that she did. She stayed at home, we gave her the medicine, she was suffering so much. I went out to Karate the night she died, and knew in the car on the way that she was going to die that night. In the middle of class, the phone rang and I drove home. I went straight upstairs and about a minute after I got there, she died, in mine and my father's arms.
I don't know if I believe in souls but... I felt something. It was the strangest thing I have ever witnessed.
I didn't cry, I have only cried once, for about five minutes about a month ago. I miss her, though. I wear her knitted scarf almost every day, even when it doesn't match my army pants... I think about her all the time. In my dreams, though, she is always shouting at me for one thing or another, and that upsets me. Most of the time, I feel as though my life takes place in the third person, and all I am is the audience, watching myself. I am afraid to be touched, I realize that maybe this is partly because I am afraid I will wake up, and my walls of self-preservation will crumble.
I have only one grandparent left. I never knew either of my grandfathers. I remember my father's mum, sitting on a pebbly beach by the ocean... even though I was only three months old at the time. I remember my mum's dad's shoes lying my the door, even though he was long since dead before I was born.
That's what memories sre for. Everyone we know and everyone we never meet has to die sometime, but the memories we have of them are the things that count. People grieve over the loss of the physical but that is so fragile and weak... our minds are so much stronger than our bodies, I think.
Keep the memory close. Sometimes I think I don't even remember what my mum's voice sounded like, but that's not what matters. No matter how many of the outer layers fall away, you will still always have a pure memory of the core of the person you love. That is what keeps me going, anyway:)
I love you :)

** before leaving, Nadia whips out a hearth from up her magic sleeve and lights a cozy fire in the corner. She then produces fuzzy blankies and home made stuffed toys. And ninety bazillion hankies for everyone. Scattering these various items around in chairs, she leaves them for anyone who might feel the need to have a warm snuggly for any reason at all. The hankies are environmentally friendly and washable so you can use as many as you want :)

Big hugs to all!
N.

Nadia K. - [demios_277@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 13, 2000 02:22:02 PM
IP: dynrez216-32194.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Shadowrider> Not much has a changed. A few new faces but basically everything seems to be overall just as you left it. (gives you a milkshake) enjoy your weekend
James Birdsong
Friday, October 13, 2000 01:20:10 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-24.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Hi to everyone! I'm home for a couple of days (I am supposed to return to the Regiment in Sunday), so I'll be around for the weekend! So, how are you all? And what has happened in my absence? I have no time to read through the Room now, so I'll post something more later...

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Friday, October 13, 2000 01:08:40 PM
IP: h217-168-17.mi2.albacom.net

Just a couple comments on things I've seen in the room...

Warpmind. I saw Adam West last Thanksgiving weekend at a comic convention in town. (Columbus) He looked just fine to me. A few pounds heavier than his "Batman" days, but still in good shape. His voice hasn't changed a bit though.

DPH: How to distinguish between Intelligence and Education. Most IQ tests I have seen/taken involve a lot of non-numerical pattern analysis. The theory is that pattern recognition is independant of education. I will admit is is very difficult to make an IQ test "acultural". A certain basic level of literacy is inherent in most IQ tests, but there are ways to determine intelligence without reading being required. (Rats running a maze comes to mind.)

I have known many people who were educated beyond their intelligence. They are still idiots no matter how many degrees they possess.

Ghost - [gitm@amaxx.net]
Columbus, Ohio, USA
Friday, October 13, 2000 12:51:23 PM
IP: 208.46.234.164

Xenatrek:: Ah, Lis... I'm so sorry for your loss.::mucho huggles:: If you need anyone to talk to, I'm always here for you, okay? She'll be in my prayers.

Shinigami
Friday, October 13, 2000 12:15:28 PM
IP: spider-mtc-ta041.proxy.aol.com

Spoke to my mom about my step-grandmother. She did recall people earlier this week, and was asking for her three children... (my stepfather and his 2 sisters). She was extremely weak, and had to be fed thru tubes and whatnot. Like Coyote's grandmother, my step grandmother has intiated a 'living will' (at least verbally) and does not want to be on machines to keep her alive... nor does she want to be sent to a home. She died between 130 and 2 PM on route to a Hospice in which she was really looking forward to it. Once they have arrived to the place, she looked around, and went to sleep w/o waking up. She is survived by her 3 children, and 3 grandsons from Dirck's first marriage... and of course myself, my brother and my mom are part of the family. She also didn't want to be 'displayed'... so a viewing and funeral won't be taken place... instead, she is to be cremated and burried with her husband. A memorial service will take place later in the week or the next. Coyote... if you and your mom wants to send flowers... just send it to the store... I'll email you the address.
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Friday, October 13, 2000 09:28:00 AM
IP: proxy2b.lmco.com

*Enters room wearing black*

The worst has arrived yesterday afternoon... my step-father's mother has had a lot of trouble with her heath in the last year... first acute diabeties, altimzer (sp??), artritis (sp?), failing lungs, failing liver, and finally amesia. In my heart, I believe she thinks she passed away alone among strangers in Lansing, MI, I've come to love her as my own grandmother when she entered my mom, brother and mine lives in 1991... she will be missed.

Coyote, I'll send you the address so you and your mom can send Dirck and his sisters a card.

*exits room*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Friday, October 13, 2000 08:05:04 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

Hi everyone! :)

*** UPDATE ***

It's been awhile but the CR archive has finally been updated. Did so a few hours ago, but couldn't connect to the net to post the news here.

Click my name's link to get to the 2000 archive page.

The index page for CR information now includes dates of when the sections were last updated. Hopefully this will be of some use.

FS and I have been very busy lately. But we'll, hopefully, be getting the CR coding done within the next few days. So keep your fingers crossed.

*** END UPDATE ***

Coyote: BIG HUGS to you for all your troubles. Let's hope the years to follow will be kinder ones. *HUGS* :)

Fire Storm's most troublesome wisdom tooth MAJORLY broke just a few hours ago. Now he's got to call off work and find an emergency dental surgeon. Hopefully we'll be able to find one soon and that it will be reasonably priced (fyi, he doesn't have dental insurance). (And that he won't get into trouble with his bosses.) *Crosses fingers*

Browsed the CR. Not much else to say at this time.

TTYL. :)
Lady Mystic - [<-- CR ARCHIVE UPDATE !!!]
TGS CR Info Senior Admin
Friday, October 13, 2000 02:04:26 AM
IP: 08-087.008.popsite.net

Gunjack> <>: I spend most of every day doing that. Except for nights before labs and when principles homework is due.
<<and roasting weenies on Counterstrike>>: Cna't say I do that on a regular basis, though I have gotten back into my emulators (poor ignored DII). I finally gave up on FFIV Hardtype: couln't get past waterboy.
<>: In a feeble effort to be somewhat healthy, I go with one of the percents.
<<You have a Gaming Fez?>>: No, mine is much, much better. I had it well before Skull got his gaming hat. I don't think any animals died to make any fezes. And it is nice and warm in winter. But I really have only worn it while being supergeek in Goldeneye. If you want a description, think fur lined leather bombing hat. With earflaps. I love it.
<<You have now COMPLETELY lost me>>: I tend to do that a lot. But I was listening to the Motorcycle Song by Arlo Guthrie at the time (with the explanation of the pickle). I just randomly felt like sharing some of the lyrics. Which happen to be (approximately phonetically) "I don't want a pickle/I just want to ride my motorsickle/And I don't want a tickle/I just want to ride my motorsickle/And I don't want to die/And IIIIII just want to ride my motorcy/.....cle." Or maybe I shouldn't have said that, and made you wait for the mp3 (especially since Alice's Restaurant wouldn't fit in my account).
<<thanks for the Lerher music, and for "Eskimo">>: You are quite welcome. I do need to make some contribution to the fandom, even if it is the illegeal distribution of copyrighted music.

Wilek> <<someone who has hobbies like Greek ostrich wrestling and Indonesian octopus porn>>: Oh, so you've met Garret Glick? (Note: Mr. Glick is an editor for the Medium, an obscene publication at Rutgers, who tends to write articles on such topics as clown wig, shortish mexican people, and dwarfs)
<<Well naked people have little or no influence on society anyhow>>: Are you saying I should put my clothes back on?
<<The MP3 can be acquired elsewhere>>: Like me, when I get in the mood. But that may not happen for another couple months, so you're probably better off searching on your own.
<<There is a Cid in VIII>>: Good. I have always liked the Cids. Perhaps it's because they've been the engineers. Well, yes, it is, but who doesn't love an engineer. Besides the rest of the world, I mean.
<<What, are you people smoking me in a bong?>>: Noh, just scarfing on the way between classes. You did just compare yourself to twinkies, after all.
<<Never mind, don't think I wanna know>>: You're going to find out anyway. Leda was a Greek maiden. Zeus was Zeus. Zeus decided to take the form of a swan and then take Leda. From this pairing came Helen (that Helen) and Pollux. Their twins, Clytemnestra and Castor came from her husband. The end result is that there are a large number of bestiality paintings out there, and one well renouned poem. And a reference in HHGtG, in the form of a statue of Leda and the Octopus.

XenaTrek> <<anyone miss me?>>: Who doesn't?

Oops, I just noticed that Dance Like You Want to Win could just as well be conducted in waltz time. I'm not really sure which one it would be, because there's a really heavy downbeat every other measure, if it's in waltz. I can't decide which one it really is.

Fire Storm> <<The name of my company. No, the letters don't mean anything>>: Ahh. Um. Just thought they sounded neat in that order?
<<By hue, if I am correct. (Yellows together, reds together, etc)>>: Well, yeah. But why don't the option values line up with that?
<<It was a short story/prohpecy>>: The prophesy sounds like fun. And that would be a neat way to record a prophesy, no?
<<Where there any MP3's between 13 questions and Tom Lehrer?>>: The order I put them in should be in CR.pls I know Lehrer was late (and this one was pushed back because of that (and to line up an event)). Did I miss an update?
<<Thank you for pointing someone in right direction>>: Not a problem. Not only is it easier to type and remember and gets you to the archive, but it leads you to a bunch of other resources.

Warpmind> <<the guy who played Batman>>: Adam West (putting on the Batman cowl, and everyone knows what time it is...).
<<You're afraid you won't live your music choices down?>>: No, I hear that the precedent set by my previous choices will put my future choices to shame.
<<Gunjack: I said you'd love "Eskimo"?>>: I think you commended Eskimo to Gunjack, and Pigeons to Wilek.

DPH> <<How does one measure intelligence instead of measuring education?>>: You test reasoning skills instead of accumulated knowledge.

Niamhgold> <<he's a great change from the solely-artist guys
around here>>: Apparently you aren't in the rest of the world (see above).
<<I'm revolting against the strict guidelines of the contextual essay I just turned in>>: That just gave me a bad flashback to expos. (see http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~tfarrell/long_quotes.shtml near the bottom)

Lexy> <<It will focus on possible school cover ups>>: Like the supercollider under SERC? And they recently planted trees to try and cover one of the vents.
<<what I was really suffering through was "Feminists 101">>: Which is why I am an engineer. Remember: Women's Studies is not a real major, and Political Science doesn't deserve any respect (unless it is a song by Randy Newman). We do repetedly mock poli sci majors here.

Lynati> <<no specialities>>: Ah. But that's no fun.

Emambu> <<when you consider the fact that the average grade was a 50%>>: Which means that your grade will be rounded up to something rather good.

For my mp3 selection today, I have decided on the theme from the Prisoner. Can anyone tell me why? I quite like it just as a piece of music. Too bad I never saw more than half a minute of the series.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, October 13, 2000 01:47:32 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

I really should have started a responce earlier tonight, as it's now too late to really reply... But I wanted to hit something I meant to reply to yesterday.

Entity><<I'd say an anecephalite is NOT a human being. It's only technically alive. If souls exist, its would either not be there, or be "unactivated.">> I think I'd have to agree with you. Lacking a conscousness or a chance of developing one, what is left to call human? "I think, therefore I am".

Real post tommorrow...

Peace, love dope.
Gunjack Valentine
Friday, October 13, 2000 01:38:30 AM
IP: 209-223-253-161.ausa.net

Emmabu: Congrats on getting all the projects and tests done finally, even if some may not have gone well. :( I share your concerns expressed in the rant.

"rich" = "well-bred" in the RP below when describing Warren Walker's girlfriend. Sorry I missed that mistake in editing. <grimace>
Kit
Friday, October 13, 2000 01:37:57 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.61.dlls.grid.net

*Emambu enters briefly*

Don't have too much time (due to the fact that I haven't had much sleep this week so I'm really tired), but I want to thank everyone who gave me their wishes during my mid-terms. Right now I'm in the eye of the storm so to speak which means I'll do a full post tomorrow. I got a 94% on my math exam, which helps my QPA. I also got a 65% on that computer science quiz that I was talking about ealier. Seems all the luck you guys gave me got deflected over to my math exam. It's not as bad as it looks though when you consider the fact that the average grade was a 50% (the highest score was a C+ I believe). I guess I should be thankful I passed. I also had two computer science programs due at midnight, and I hadn't gotten much work done on them until today (or yesterday I should say considering the time) because of the math exam and the space flight exam that I took yesterday. Anyway, at about 11:40pm I finally figured out the reason why my second program was compiling but not running (a curse on all 'while' loops), fixed it, and e-mailed the link to my professor with about 15 minutes to spare. Talk about threading the needle (of course if those programs hadn't been due in the midle of everything else I doubt I would have cut it that close). I found out about a half an hour ago that some people (also in the middle of exam week like me) didn't even get them done on time and now they're going to lose a lot of points for turning them in late. *looks at the accumulating post* I'm sorry, I'm ranting. However, it's better I do it now. Otherwise I'd had used the full length post as an excuse to ramble on for even longer. :)

Niamhgold: Thanks for the e-mail. I'll look at it some more tomorrow when I'm not half-asleep. The first one looked really good from what I saw though.

Sorry for the rant, but I'd been saving that up all week. :) Take care everyone,

---Emambu
Emambu - [emambu@commandchamber.net]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Friday, October 13, 2000 01:33:02 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

Abbie> I don't have Toon Disney wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, October 13, 2000 01:02:49 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-147.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*lynati bursts into room, barely noticing the rubber cement she leaves smeared on the draperies*

aayayayzaya! Marathon??
*wails*
But I don't get toon disney!! (or any channel, really...)
ALL of my tv taped episodes are pretty cruddy, too.
If someone can tape the marathon (yeah, i know it'll take 3 tapes at least) in GOOD QUALITY and mail it out to me, i will glad-no, Joyously- reimburse them.
(....if it's past episode 66 (i.e. third season), don't bother.)

*Lynati trots off in search of hot chocolate and sleep. She notices the construction paper stuck to her hand and decides to add a shower to that list.*
Lynati
Friday, October 13, 2000 12:50:42 AM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Begin Part 2!!

Mohammed: Nice to see Arabs around here in more than the RP. Hope you can find the info you want, and you enjoy this place. And you make friends. :)

Guandalug: Didn't know you were helping to clean up and recode the GFW fanfic archive, congrats on the good work you've done so far. Hope the big job is soon ended, I wish you continued good luck. :)

**BUFFY, ANGEL SPOILERS**
Excellent development on Xander in this week's Buffy episode. Seeing his two sides at odds and then working together was great, a lot better than the cliched demon doppelganger Xander story I was expecting. :) Anya's development was also nice, I liked the jokes she made and seeing her dealing with being human and mortal. Glad she's still getting used to it. :) Also enjoyed Willow's scenes and dialogue, her line about doing just fine with her evil twin brought a big smile to my face. Nice to see Giles working the magic shop too, and Spike was hilarious as always. Hope he soon gets more development and screen time. I also liked the depth added to the Buffy-Riley relationship in this ep, I liked his character well enough before but thought their relationship a bit too perfect and cliched, nice to see it's not so. <grimaces> Though I do also hope Buffy is able to love him and prove she does soon, maybe she can in next week's episode. Other than the seriously cliched and boring villain (he was menacing and looked like a demon, and had a nice plot, but those were the only good bits about him IMO) and lack of Dawn screentime (her reaction to the existence of two Xanders and their personalities would have been nice to see, given her crush on Xander. <sigh>), this ep was pretty much great. 8.5/10, thumbs up.

Angel was even better IMO. The dream sequences with him and Darla were nicely acted and scripted, and they gave me the shivers too. :) Can hardly wait to see where they go with them in upcoming episodes, I'm sure the development will be cool. Hope that soon we can see his reactions to them as well, this episode didn't really get into that much. :( But it did make up for that a lot with the other development and plot bits. Wesley's dialogue was funny, and his banter with Angel was great too. Especially enjoyed the pink helmet bit. It was nice to see Wes in leather again also. <grin> And of course I really appreciated the Cordelia-Gunn development. Nice to see the former having come so far from the shallow preppy type she was before, hope they continue to showcase it. Really liked her dialogue and use of Mace. Was also really nice to see Gunn's character fleshed out like it was, Whedon or whoever wrote this ep did a really good job on the banter between him and Cordelia and keeping them together till the end with surprise plot twists. The villain also made a good foil for Gunn and was very menacing. His shapeshifting was cool too. My favorite scene was the one where Gunn confessed to Cordy his feelings about what happened to his sister Alanna (who it's very nice to see was not just a one-episode throwaway character!) and why he's been acting the way he has. Hope he takes her advice and changes. Also hope to see more development with him and his gang as the season goes on. Maybe an ep where one of them gets arrested, and the best lawyer he can afford, the one he wants defending him, happens to work for Wolfram and Hart? That would be intriguing. :) Looking forward to some great action and visual effects in next week's episode, hopefully some more development on the Darla-Angel subplot too. And I hope that someday Phantom Dennis (whose bit this week I also liked a lot) is someday used as more than just comic relief again (he was in his first appearance, as I recall. Overall, 9/10, thumbs held high. Hope Whedon and Associates keep up the good work!
**SPOILERS OVER**

Stephen: Thanks for stopping in and giving us a status update. Glad that the job hunt is going well, hope you have continued good luck with it. Keeping my fingers crossed as long as you keep us informed. :)

Robby: Taxi had all those good actors and actresses in it and we missed it somehow? <blinks> This is quite surprising. Maybe I should stay over at Gubio's sometime and stay up watching Nick at Nite on his cable, see if it comes on. Your post on Taxi made it sound like it might be worth it. <smiles> $ Hmm, looks like Doug and I will have to write Brain being a driving instructor into our RPs with him and Pinky somehow. We don't mind, you had good bits with him in yours. Also nice seeing Lonny again, that was unexpected. Wonder if any of your characters will end up with the driving test guy who puts a cup of coffee on the dashboard and warns the student not to burn him or else. He was my favorite guy in License to Drive. :) $ I also agree with you on '60s Batman, it was bad in many ways, but still is good for laughs whenever I put eps of it in the VCR. The Simpsons spoof of it they did once was good too. ("Look, Radioactive Man, it's the most fiendishly diabolical villain of them all, The Scoutmaster!" "I see him, Fallout Boy." ROFL!)

Ghost: Welcome to you as well. Good comments on the Pendragon episode this week. I thought of that possibility of Duval too but it seems unlikely given all the hints we were shown before the revelation of his identity. <shrugs> We'll probably see the answer next week, I'll comment more then.

Nick: Welcome to you too. Hope you, Ghost, and all the newcomers enjoy this place.

Wilek: That stuff's pretty weird, glad we don't know anyone who likes it. <grimace> Thanks for once again stating your reasons for stopping the RPs, Doug and I understand though we still wish you'd do one now and then. <smiles> Hope you don't mind us using your characters now and then in our bits. Speaking of which�.

Rodlox & Mecord: Excuse me for screaming, but HELLO?!!! ARE YOU GUYS OUT THERE?!!! I'm worried about you, and I'm not the only one! If you're only getting time to lurk, it's okay, but can you at least post a couple words sometime to let us know you're still alive and hanging out in here? Sheesh! :) I'm not just saying this because you both have characters in the RP who are involved in pretty tense situations right now, and Doug and I want a license to continue the plots surrounding them in your absence (which we're gonna keep trying to do, hope you don't mind). You're also our friends, and when your friends disappear without a trace and don't write or say anything, it gets worrisome. Very worrisome. Just thought I'd make you guys aware of that if you're still out there. Hope you can re-enter the room real soon.

Archwolf: Hope you'll soon get back into the RP too. Doug and I have some really interesting bits ahead planned for your character Shadow Wolf. Would you like us to share the plans with you first and check if they're okay? (We'd try doing the same with Rodlox and Mecord, but it's been so long since they posted last that we've lost their e-mails and Doug and I just don't have time to check the CR archives these days. <sigh>) Welcome back from me also, hope RL doesn't curb your posting too much.

Lexy: Welcome back to the CR, friend! <grins> Sounds like your school paper is way cooler than the one Elena works for here, hope it's online somewhere so I can read copies. Especially your conspiracy bits. :) I applaud your rant, and share your views on people like that professor. How in the hell do they ever get into academia? <shakes head> Congrats on dropping the class. Glad your workload's more intelligent and easier now. I've had bad professors, but never on that level. <grimace> Are you sure you don't want to send a copy of that rant to the dean of her department? If what you said in it is true, and the dean is the least bit intelligent, it might have good results. My pal Tom knew someone at Rice who got an engineering professor who didn't know his subject, practiced unfair grading and boring lecture style, had awful textbooks required that he knew the stores would refuse to buy back at the end of the semester, and other awful things (the guy is featured below in the RP, btw) to be denied tenure and fired after a full investigation was conducted by complaining to his department's dean. Tom would have done the same if he'd had the guts. Maybe you should muster them. :) Good luck with the classes you still have.

Abbie: Welcome and thanks for informing us of the upcoming Gargoyles marathon. I'll definitely get Gubio to set his VCR so we can catch up on the eps we Ravens are missing in our collection. Hope they get shown. <crosses fingers and grins>

That's about it for tonight, I am finally caught up again. Longest post I've ever written that I can recall too. Once again, I apologize for the delay and length of it. RL has kept me incredibly busy this week. At least I've turned in the paper now, so I can relax. Hope I did well on it, I'd appreciate your prayers. For Doug and me both. And of course I'll keep giving mine to all my friends in here who need them. :) Later everyone!!

**RESUME RP- RAVENS' SAGA, LONG ONE (note to Green Baron- we're gonna take your silence so far on the matter of the white Bronco as assent for our plans regarding it, which we told you of in reply e-mail. Please let us know immediately if you want us to do something else with it. Thanks.)**

In the Time-Warner Building in Atlanta, Ted Turner is glaring at Geoffrey Fieger across the desk. "What do you mean you haven't gotten her back yet?" he asks angrily. "I told you to get her back!" "The helicopter ran out of fuel before we could find the hideout of the people that rescued her, sir," Fieger replies, nervously fiddling with his new eyepatch. "We couldn't track them anymore. But don't worry. I've put some good people on the case. Your limo and Asil stick out like sore thumbs. We'll have them back real soon." "I want them now!" Turner slams his fist on the desk, hellfire burning in his eyes. "Go get them!" "Yes sir," Fieger nods, jumping up and running out the door. As Turner shakes his head, Steve Case walks in. "What is it?" Turner snarls at him. "Just wanted to give you some good news, sir," the CEO of AO-HELL says with a smile. "I bribed the appropriate people, and the EU should approve our merger now. Still not sure about the FTC." "The EU is good enough news for now," Turner shrugs, his expression brightening. "We'll worry about the FTC when the time comes. There's not much hurry now that Hinn's captured our most dangerous enemies, the Green Baron and his Catholic Schoolgirl Scouts." Case nods in agreement. "Should we tell Geraldine to stop training her Empowered Womyn Scouts?" "No," Turner shakes his head. "They might still come in handy. Especially if the people Hinn captured should escape. Everything is going fine right now, Steve. Well, everything except for Al's status in the polls. Can't you have your hackers work on that? He needs to win that election!" "We're doing our best, Ted," Case sighs. "Unfortunately the computer system that does this country's polls has excellent security. Relax, okay? Even if Al doesn't win, we'll get an idiot who's easily bribed." "I'd like to have someone who we know better," Turner retorts. "And a Democrat." "I know what you mean," Case nods, his expression brightening suddenly. "By the way, did you hear the guards found OJ's white Bronco in the parking garage?" "Oh?" Turner raises his eyebrows. "I forgot about that car. I suppose we can have it crushed and melted now that I took care of its owner." "Sir, no!" Case protests. "OJ's already modified it a lot. I put on a few more special gizmos of mine, and I can make it my own personal Death-SUV!!!" Turner drops his jaw at the eager expression on his associate's face. "We'll, uh�have to think about that!" Case grimaces. "Think already!"

The display changes to the Mall of America's food court, where the group of disreputable characters led by Gus and Holder have surrounded the Ravens' table and are now all looking at our heroes with glaring expressions of anger and hate. Several are also tapping weapons in their hands, ranging from clubs to lengths of wire to shotguns. "We're gonna get you, you bastards!" one big black man with a lead pipe declares, turning his eyes toward Boris. "Your dad dared to be a better plumber than me, and tell everyone he was when he was alive! Cancer may have prevented me from ever taking my revenge on him, but I can still get you!" "Who suddenly gave you cujones?" Boris retorts with a smirk. Another large black man with a wide face, unarmed, is ranting at Leah. "Deny me a photo appointment when I want one, will you?" he screams. "I'll tear your face up for that, bitch! I'd get that bastard manager of yours too, if he was here! I'll�" "Does anyone know what this guy's talking about?" Leah frowns at the other Ravens, who grimace and shake their heads. "And I'll get you!" a short bearded guy dressed like biker trash is telling Jammer meanwhile. "You throw me out of the club when I'm dancing, drinking, having fun, all because I choose to say the 'wrong things' to a woman who doesn't know how to take the compliment of my attention! Don't tell me you didn't expect revenge!" "Yeah," someone else shouts, a tall man with a beer belly and backwards cap who is unsteady on his feet. "I'll teach you to tell me when I've had enough!!" "You guys must have me mixed up with someone else," Jammer shrugs at them, grimacing. "I honestly don't recall ever seeing you before." "You'll remember after we hit you a few times, mother<bleep>er!" shouts another drunk-looking guy. "Refuse to go on a date with me, huh, Tricia Mess?" snaps another guy, who looks like a frat boy and is surrounded by his jeering pals. "Refuse to have sex with me? We're gonna make you put out, you ice cold bitch! This time you won't be able to run fast enough away!" Tricia growls as the other frat boys chorus assent. "I don't know where you guys and I have met before," she tells the chauvinist losers, "but only my friends are allowed to call me Tricia Mess, and you're not them!" "Your rent is late," a nerdy forty-year old man is telling Elena emotionlessly next to her. "Your column is too biased against the UT administration to go in the paper," adds a harried-looking man with a stooped posture and an expression like someone who's a real nitpicky a-hole. "I don't recall owing you any money," Elena tells the first man, "or any opinions," she adds to the second. "In fact, I don't recall ever seeing either of you before. Who are you?" "Your project does not meet my standards," a bearded elderly black man with horn-rimmed glasses wearing an immaculately pressed and cleaned brown suit is saying to Tom nearby. "It's getting an F. Don't give me that stuff about all the time you spent on it and effort you put into it and why I should still accept it this time, and maybe I won't drop the grade even more." "Dude," Tom grimaces. "What are you talking about?" "Prevent us from winning the Coca-Cola million dollar contest just because we were opening the bottles in your store right off the shelves, will you?" one of two angry women in skanky clothing is meanwhile yelling at Shap. "Yeah!" chimes in a bulky Hispanic man with two bearded buddies who look identical enough to be twin brothers. "And throw me and my two amigos here out just cause we voiced our discontent with your prices, then beat us up when we break in later that night? You should have given us what we wanted and let it be!" "I don't know you guys!" Shap insists. "Go bug the guy who did wrong you, okay? Or better yet, just let it go! The things you're saying, it sounds like you're the ones in the wrong here, you know?" The other people in the crowd of jerks are also voicing complaints of their own, shrugging off the Ravens' insistence that they don't know who they are. "Dislocate my jaw and knock me out, then land me in jail when I wave my paint gun around the bank, will you?" one screeches at Boris. "You won't be able to get our tax returns wrong again after we get through with you, you stupid intern!" a couple more are screeching at Shauna. "And you won't outshoot me on the archery range neither!" screams a rich boy type in expensive Tommy Hilfiger clothing, drawing and readying a bow. "And you won't be trying to get a job with our store you don't deserve!" a fat blonde-bearded man who is wearing a JC Penny Assistant Manager's uniform shouts at Stephanie. "Or stopping us from walking out of Ross with the clothes we need but can't pay for!" a fat black woman adds, several of her friends voicing agreement. "Wish your Loss Prevention guys were here so we could get them too!" Stephanie gives them all a ditzy look of confusion and throws up her hands. Only Orion, Mansfield, and Anthony are not getting any angry looks or harsh words directed their way, and the latter is shaking his head in wonderment at all those he is seeing and hearing. Doug and Kit are receiving the most angry looks and words of all. "Get me fired, will you, you smart<bleep> bitch?" Gus screams at the latter, waving his fist at her. "Then get me beat up and thrown in jail? You're going down, you hear me? You're gonna be taught to leave me alone!" "And your friend will be paid back for giving me a limp!" grunts Sternie Miller, the big spike-haired punker standing next to Gus, cracking his knuckles and donning a pair of spike-studded gloves. "And you'll pay for getting me arrested too, bitch!" adds the trashy-looking girl on Gus's arm, Lorna. "It's justice time!!" "Looks like you're people I'd want to beat up even though I can't recall doing what you accuse me of," Kit smiles back at them, getting into a fighting stance and reaching for her laser rifle. "This is going to be fun." Doug is meanwhile frowning as Falls, Stephen Walker, Holder, a short rail-thin man with short and stringy black hair and mustache who is wearing torn clothes and tapping a length of wire in hand, and a blonde girl in a tan business suit who looks decent and rich until she reveals her tongue stud when she talks surround him. "I'm gonna help my boyfriend trash your ass, Elder!" the latter spits. "Yeah," snaps Warren Walker, the man with the length of wire. "You just have to tell Abel every bad thing you see me doing on the job- every lie, every curse, every bit of laziness and going against company policy! I'll teach you to try to encourage me to keep my temper and learn from my mistakes!" "Same here!" Stephen chimes in. "Who cares if I just leave the post? I had to go! The lack of relief ain't my problem! Neither is sleeping on the job or sitting in my car and not patrolling when I'm bored! Who cares if bad things happen while I do that? I ask you that, who cares? Not me!" "Are you a security guard?" Doug asks him, grimacing. "You should care." "Well, I cared!" Holder shouts, stepping forward and waving his knife. "I cared and I did my job well! I did it great! I told you the smart thing to do, and you didn't do it! You got me fired, you lousy pussy-wipe piece of four-eyed zit-faced snot! I'm gonna kill you!" "Just leave some for me, Terry," Falls adds. "I owe this guy a lot. Abel's next, for not giving me back the job I needed, forcing me to become a hooker! But first his golden boy's gonna get some of what I can give!" "Forgive me, okay?" Doug asks them, raising his hands in a peaceful gesture. "I've suffered a memory problem recently, I can't really remember what I've done to you. Can't you at least wait till it comes back?" "No!" Holder retorts. "Of course not!" screams another guy standing behind Holder with many buddies. "You made me move out of the fire lane when there's no fire and I'm just getting a drink, then using the phone, going in the store for five minutes, and that's it! I'll teach you!" "Yeah, dog!" says a black punk. "Take down me and my buddies' license plate for no good reason! That deserves payback!" "So does refusing to give me the respect my authority deserves!" snaps a Hispanic man with a WalMart assistant manager's badge that says Senon. "Trying to tell me how you think things went and I made a mistake with a woman who I knew was a shoplifter and you didn't think was after some stupid line of bull her friend fed you! And telling my boss how I cussed you and a customer out because you weren't there when they accidentally scratched my truck!" "And forcing me and my friends off the property for videotaping us shopping when we weren't planning to do anything but put the tape on the Net!" screams another young black man dressed like a computer operator. "Harassment!" "We're telling you people, we don't know you!" Jammer shakes his head. "Okay? Go away!" "I don't think they're going to, Jim," Tricia sighs, just before the group of jerks and losers rushes to the attack en masse.

**AND THE SCREEN GOES BLANK. :) BIG FIGHT NEXT TIME. END RP AND POST**
Kitainia - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Friday, October 13, 2000 12:06:34 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.88.dlls.grid.net

**RP HERE, CONTINUING THE ACTION IN THE MID-EAST**

"And so, my people," Vincent is saying to the assembled citizens of the Underground City as the screen comes on, "the attempted revolution is now over. Its instigators, Kovu and Tiara, have been executed. And the nuclear bomb with which the human Abdullah bin Aziz threatened us has been harmlessly neutralized. We may now once again live in safety and peace. The drug factories Aziz had us build here are to be shut down permanently at once. A full investigation will be conducted to determine where all the drugs still in this city are, and confiscate and destroy them. Drug distribution is now and forever a capital crime in this city, and as long as I am leader it shall remain so." There is a large amount of applause, and the flashes of cameras. Some caiveh begin to shout questions as well. "What about those of our people who have become addicted to the drugs?" "Do Kovu and Tiara have any supporters left?" "What about the dragon that demolished my apartment's building?" Off to one side of the crowd, Terrell shakes his head in Bessus, Erin, and Gubio's direction as Vincent does his best to answer the questions in a positive and truthful way. "I wish it were really over," he sighs. "But it's not. Not yet." "No," Erin agrees with a clench of her jaw. "There's still the matter of Abdullah himself." "Yeah," Gubio nods, grimacing. "Can't go home and give Doug the potion till he's dead." "Fortunately we know where he lives," chuckles Bessus, the only one of the four who looks happy. "And our allies should be arriving soon." "And now you have more of them," Terrell says. "Most of us will have to stay down here to work on undoing the damage Abdullah bin Aziz and his drugs did to our city. But a few of us, say the twenty best warriors and myself, can fight with you when the time comes. Just give me a call." "Will do," Gubio nods, smiling slightly. "Thanks, Terrell." "No problem," the caiveh warrior replies, looking towards Mist as she walks up. "Did you get Annabelle to the hospital okay?" The cat meows affirmatively and Terrell smiles in relief as Erin translates. "Your mate is fine, and so is your child. Their wounds have been treated, and they're resting as we speak." "Good," Terrell grins. "I didn't know you spoke cat," Gubio raises his eyebrows at Erin. She grins back. "I picked it up quickly from being around you and Mist." "Obviously," he laughs. She sighs and checks her watch. "Terrell, it's been fun, but we have to get back home. I'm worried about my family." "Bad feelings, eh?" the caiveh warrior asks, and she nods. "I empathize. Go. Just don't forget to call me when it's time for the planning session." "Right," Gubio replies. "Thanks again for everything." With nods of farewell, Mist and the three humans start to head for the elevator to the surface, working their way through the cheering crowd of caiveh on the way.

Above them in the Beys' apartment, Hassan is heaving a heavy sigh as he walks back in the door. "I got rid of what was left of the TV," he tells Mary, who nods. "Thank you. Don't worry, we'll get a new one soon. Look at it this way, we've been wanting a bigscreen for a while, right? Now we have an excuse." Smiling briefly, she frowns again as she stares at the big burned spot on the rug. "This on the other hand I don't know if I'll ever get out." "How's Dad?" Hassan asks. "And Patty?" "Your father is fine," Mary answers, "just a bit stunned from the lightning bolt. He's resting in our bedroom with that little dragon who saved us tending to him. Should be fine in a while. Patty's still a bit shaken up, but she'll be okay. Sarita's with her in your room." Hassan nods. "I better go talk to them, I owe Sarita an apology for her walking in on a fight like she did." "Don't worry about that," Mary laughs. "I think she was glad to save our lives. You're dating quite a capable woman, you know. I wish I was that tough at her age." "Well, you were just a schoolgirl," Hassan chuckles. "Sarita was on the mean streets of Pamplona before she came here. Quite a different environment." His face darkens. "You know what her father did too." Mary nods, sighing sadly. "I know." She then changes the subject and looks at her watch. "I hope Erin gets back soon. A mother does worry." "So does a brother," Hassan agrees, turning towards his room just as there is a knock at the apartment door. "The police?" "They've already been and gone," Mary shakes her head. "They left once they got our statements and there was nothing for them to do, remember? No, that's someone else." Drawing and cocking Fasil's Desert Eagle, she walks toward the door and reaches for the knob as Hassan gulps and frowns. Then, as the screen's image fades and Mary throws the door open with her gun ready, someone shouts in surprise. "I say!"

**THIS NEWEST CHARACTER WILL BE SEEN FOR THE FIRST TIME NEXT RP. END THIS BIT**

Hi everyone. Sorry I haven't been able to post before tonight this week. As Doug may have told you, a professor of mine decided to schedule a research paper's due date the week right after midterms, so I've had almost no time for fun stuff. <sigh> Until now. :) So let me get caught up. Please excuse the length of this two-part post, I have a heck of a lot to catch up on. Doug will be doing his bit tomorrow, hopefully. He's been bogged down with filling in for people who were sick and one guy whose brakes failed- he's okay, don't worry- practically every night this week and sleeping it off as well as finding time to do all the reading assignments his professors slapped him with. <shakes head> He's a truly dedicated man, and I admire him for it. Sure wish the people at his job would stop giving him a hard time so often. <sigh> Oh well, can't be helped. At least things are still going well for one of us. On to comments and replies.

**SPOILERS FOR GET CARTER**
After seeing this movie, I want to line up every critic in town and make them watch it again. They all lampooned it as a bad film, some seemingly before they had even seen the movie (and I'm sure of that too). Yeah, its plot had a lot of huge holes. Yeah, the dialogue was really bad and cliched from pretty much everyone except Rachael Leigh Cooke and Slyvester Stallone. Yeah, the fight scenes seemed too staged and Mickey Rourke made a terrible villain. Yeah, the script was dumbed down a lot. The film still had its good points, and quite a few of them. The script was decent enough, the best adaptation of an old film to a remake in the modern era I've seen since You've Got Mail. Rachael Leigh Cooke turned in the best preformance I've ever seen from her, one that erased my worries over whether or not she could handle the character of Rachel in Doug's fanfic as well as he thinks she could. Stallone was in top form as a tough guy, like always. And the car chases were done very well too. Not one critic mentioned any of this, they all heaped the bad points of the film on us and that was it. One guy even called it bad just because it was a remake, didn't say anything but that (he called You've Got Mail bad for the same reason). What is wrong with these guys? Don't they know anything about bias? <shakes head> Hopefully they got yelled at about their columns by someone, if I don't see evidence of that soon I'll send letters to the papers and do it myself. <sighs> I recommend seeing Get Carter for the nice action and excellent acting from the male and female leads (who cares if Miranda Richardson got paid more, Rachael Leigh Cooke had more screentime and dialogue and did a better job in her role! :). 7.7/10, thumbs up. Doug and I may see Lost Souls this weekend, we aren't sure. Definitely going to see Bedazzled next weekend, it should give us some great laughs. :)
**END GET CARTER SPOILERS, REVIEW**

Todd: Good comments on last week's Angel. I liked the bits you did too, wish I'd remembered to mention them. <smiles> And thanks for your comments on last week's Pendragon episode, especially the ones that answered the questions Doug and I had (though I do like what Patrick- I think it was him- said about Mary's clothes transforming, your answer to the matter of them was also good). Thanks also for sharing how the TGS Staff arrived at Duval's identity in their ficverse, it was interesting reading. Comments on the episode where you revealed it are below.

Spike: Thanks for your comments on my comments too. Thinking about the characters involved and the events you described, you're right, things should have turned out the way they did. I'll try to remember to look at the stories that way from now on and comment accordingly. <crosses fingers> Good illustration in this week's story (Jennifer looks great, as I thought she did! :), though I wish we'd gotten one of the end scene as well. Woulda been nice to see what Duval looks like.

Spacebabie: Weather's been cool here a lot recently too, with rain off and on. Finally ended today. :) I agree with you on Dark Angel, no way am I watching more of the lousy eye candy Cameron has produced too much of since the masterpiece Terminator. <sighs> Also sorry about your knee, hope it's already healed (or soon does, if it hasn't). Hang in there, friend.

Warpmind: Yeah, you're right, RU-486 is a good contingency plan if all else fails. Still, I don't like it and will never use it. Never. Yeah, I know that's moot coming from me, since I'm currently infertile, but I hopefully won't be forever. <crosses fingers and grins> Sorry you're having to go through so much hassle to get the big money owed you, hope it comes in soon.

Green Baron: Glad your life's been going well recently, hope it continues. Good luck with your classes and congrats on the good weekends. Thanks for the good population news and correction on Weakland. Please keep doing wonderful RPs.

SOROW: That is bad news. <growls> Sorry to hear it went so poorly, and things with you and your mom aren't going any better. I agree with Doug's advice on the situation- confront your mom with the problem as soon as possible and ask her kindly to stop the treatment she's giving you. The chances are it will go well, if you state your case well enough and your mom's intelligent enough to see you're right. If you're too worried about it making things worse or keep missing chances, you can try using your dad or any sibling you may have available as an intermediary. That always worked for me. :) Whatever happens, I hope things blow over and your life eases soon. <major hugs>

Emmabu: Congrats on the math test, glad you apparently did well. Good luck with the upcoming tests and all they require. Thanks so much for your kind words on Charles's passing. Your words were very meaningful. Charles's family thought so too, when we mentioned them to them. I can't believe Doug forgot about that. <chuckles> Oh well. Thanks also to Kyryn and Wilek for their good words concerning his death and condolences. We understand about them being late, and Doug should apologize tomorrow for his stress-spawned impatience regarding them if he needs to. <smirks>

Coyote: Sorry about your dog. We've all lost beloved pets at one time or another, I think, and it's never easy. <sighs> At least we have good memories of them. Hope yours is enjoying doggie heaven and not frying in doggie hell.

Jackal: You didn't piss me off! Honestly you're too paranoid! :) I may have raised an eyebrow when I read that bit and been slightly miffed, but I was not pissed off in the least. Takes a lot more than that to make me angry. :) Hope your child's hiccups soon ease and his mother quits smoking real soon, I'll keep them in my prayers.

SJ: Thanks for the announcement about what I thought was Pistoff's best story yet. :) Hope you get well soon from your sickness, if you haven't already. Thanks also for continuing to keep us up to date on entertainment news. I agree with you about the Batman Beyond movie, hope they don't mess with it like it seems they might. <grimace> Doug's already signed an online petition to keep it unedited or at least release a director's cut version alongside the censored one, and I will sign too when I get the chance. I think the link to it is in the main s8 Gargoyles CR. Good comments about abortion too. I also hate those a-hole zealots who insist on bombing and shooting the clinics up. Thanks for the Buffy spoilers and speculations too, it'll be cool to see how things with them turn out.

Gside: So I'm not the only one who likes to rant at nature on occasion. That's good to know. :) Did a lot of it recently. I like rain, but having it stop and start again and again all day, and be accompanied by really cold weather�that's not cool. :( Glad your workload's been easing up, and congrats.

Daniel Johnson: Geez, things sound real bad for you and your mom. <grimaces> I can't really comment, as I've never really gone through any situation like that, but I hope in a major way that she starts doing better soon. I'll be praying. You're certainly right to rant about the situation. I hope someday soon things can be changed. :( Glad your depression is easing, that's something good at least.

Arianna: Congrats on getting picked for that debate, possibly. Hope you can be part of it and do well, good luck. More encouragement will be on the way as events progress. :)

Kyryn: Glad your friends' Wiccan wedding went well, I wish congrats and good luck to them. :) Like I said above, thanks for your words on Charles's passing. Thanks also for your encouragement to Doug, he needed it. Glad that Okami's getting out of the job where he was treated so poorly, hope his next one is much better for all people involved. <grin> Thanks also for the bit on anencephaly. I did not know such an unfortunate condition existed. <sighs> My prayers go out to all the children who have it and their families. Hope some possible treatment or cure is soon found.

Nadia: <returns hugs> You're welcome. We love you too. :) Glad you had such a good Thanksgiving (you must be Canadian, right? They celebrate it at this time of year. :). Congrats on the publishing deal, hope it goes well. Good luck with your classes, hope they soon improve. And hope I someday get to see those Timedancer pics.

Winterwolf: Thanks for your encouragement to Doug too, I was watching him as he read it and it made him smile. :) Thanks also for the hug. Glad to see you're also well-disposed to help people, we need more folks like you in this world. <sigh> Good luck to your friends with the wedding, congrats also to them. Hope it goes well. Also hope your workload soon eases, even if the extra pay for extra hours and possible of results from your show of loyalty can be nice. :)

Tim P: I share your and others' grief about the Cole crewmen. <silence> Hope they find the people who killed them soon and make 'em pay. Good bit on overreacting last week. I'll add this to it: Overreacting is sealing off the entire South Mall to practically all foot traffic with armed UTPD guards and barricades, seriously hampering students who need to get to classes, just because there's a big CEO forum going on on campus and they're worried about the scheduled protests aimed at them getting too violent. That's going on in Austin right now. <sighs>

Jaden: Good luck in Korea, once again. Hope to see you in here again once you get your computer, and it arrives intact. <fingers crossed> I remember Gubio telling me about how he had his computer shipped here from his parents' in Abilene when he started college and it got stolen and then destroyed while in transit because of mistakes the courier made, so he had to buy a new one. <growls> Going through that was not fun for him at all. Good luck. :)

Niamhgold: I have got to try those pranks you mentioned to Winterwolf sometime. The groom at the next wedding I attend is going to get quite a surprise. Just hope the bride's not anyone I know so I don't have to put them in on it. Heh. Congrats on the good fall break. Hope the school workload soon eases and the grades you get are worth the time and effort you put in.

Mary: You're unfortunately very right about family. <sighs> Hope you can soon somehow make yours understand you better. Good luck. Wish I had tips, but other than telling them the full range of your feelings about the problems in a very calm tone without getting mad or swearing once is the best thing I can suggest. That always worked somewhat well for me, and even when it didn't, the look on my mom's face was well worth it. :) If things get really impossible, you can always try setting up your rituals and doing them outside. Some of the Wiccans we know here on campus do that a lot, it's even supposed to add power to the rituals. <shrugs> Draws a lot of crazed Bible-pounding jerks and confused stares, but they don't seem to mind that for some reason. Go figure. :) I didn't know you were Native American. Interesting heritage, isn't it? Doug and I both have small but present bits of Cherokee and Seminole blood somewhere in our past, so we are able to ask that question. :) I also share your anger about that guy Mr. White. Someone needs to make him buy a clue, seriously. <grimace> Want us to do it for you in the RP?

Gun Control: I too do not like guns that much, but I agree that when the opposition has them, as happens too often these days, you should as well. That's why Doug and I own a safe full of two Remington 12-gauge rifles, a Sabati double-barrel shotgun (which Cobra made my parents nuts by giving me for my eighteenth birthday :), two Colt .45s, and plenty of ammo. All with laser sights and registered in our names. We don't go walking around with them, but if somebody breaks into our house, they better watch out. :) I also agree that a lot of the gun control measures they adopt these days are going way too far. Some others are ridiculous, like the free trigger locks they distributed in Texas recently that turned out to be defective. <grumbles> Thank goodness Doug and I didn't fall for that little ploy.

Lynati: Welcome!!! Always good to have a new friend around. Hope you enjoy this place.

Revel: I also agree with you about demonstrations and danger. Good to see you were taught to use guns the same way I was. Snake may have used a couple of chained-up coyotes Cobra, Bigger Dave, and Big Al had trapped earlier in place of a block of wood, but the effect was the same. <grin>

**PENDRAGON SPOILERS**
Nice ep this week, cleared up a lot of the plot and did a good job moving things forward. Wasn't very much character development in it, but I did like what we got. Morgana's quandaries were particularly interesting, hope more is done with them soon. Of all the people I'd expected to be the Connection, she was not even on the list. Good to see depth of character in here when she considers how far to go for revenge. Was also nice seeing the Queen of Northgalis again, though I was expecting her to be dead and the woman who was watching Arthur and co. to be Jennifer. Nice to have things go different just the same. Also liked the dialogue in this ep, and the great scripting of events at the end with the clan attempting rescue and then the Illuminati capturing Arthur. Can hardly wait to see how things develop with that. I was very surprised at Duval being Lance, it took reading some of this week's posts to see how it could happen. I'm a bit disappointed it wasn't Percival leading the Illuminati, but still the surprise is nice. It makes the whole Arthur-Elaine thing a lot more intriguing too. :) And who knows, maybe Percival's still around in some form? Maybe he needed help restoring Camelot, brought in Lancelot to be it, gave him youth-juice from the Grail to keep him around because they became friends, and then when the more unscrupulous Lancelot started doing things that he felt were necessary but weren't morally right, the Grail made Percival (as its keeper) suffer. I can imagine him being in a back room of Duval's mansion somewhere, hooked up to tubes and hoses feeding him painkillers while the Grail keeps him alive, begging Lancelot to stop his suffering and being ignored like a foolish old man. The character development that would create would be quite interesting. The image gives me chills, but I like it. :) Also liked the Merlin-Mary bits in this ep, hope to see them make up soon and have it be as good. Best of all was getting to see Jennifer Camford once more, this season has been too long without her. Liked the pic of her as I said above, hope it becomes available in the CR. Only negative bits on this ep were the length- it ended too quickly IMO- and the fact that much wasn't really done with Elaine. After finding out who Duval was and getting the intriguing depth her and Arthur's relationship needed, I felt like I would have liked to see more development. Maybe it'll come next week. Overall, 8/10, thumbs up. :) I too give it up for the editors. <heavy applause>
**THESE SPOILERS END, SO DOES PART 1 OF POST**
Kitainia
Friday, October 13, 2000 12:05:45 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.88.dlls.grid.net

*****OMG!!! GARGOYLES MARATHON ON FRIDAY THE 13 ON TOON DISNEY. 22 EPS BACK 2 BACK! EVERYONE HAS GOTTA SEE AND SUPPORT THIS!!! STARTS 6/7 CES~~
Abbie - [Abbadon_13@yahoo.com]
lostin, Ohio, usa
Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:21:45 PM
IP: cc629709-a.nwhub1.in.home.com

*Lynati enters. she is staring at the ground*
Barkeep, give me your strongest.
Hot chocolate. Triple Mocha.
*Accepts mug with gratitude*
I actually watched the news today, for once. Sometimes I hate being Informed-all this shit in the world, and nothing we do seems to help. (And they ask why I prefer to live inside my head in my own world. #snort#.)

....

Gside> This project was for 35mm single reflex only; no specialities. it's just to prove that we are competent in the entire photo process (iggg; now i have to learn to dry mount)
It is only foundations photo, after all.
...I tried to not care. But even tho noone said anything, I kept expecting someone to start yelling at me. I don't like it when people yell at me. it makes me feel bad. :(
Kyryn> I knew it! hmmm...So did everyone else also end up with a part fey (Nemesis inherited it naturally) vampriric character who occcassionally works as a stripper?
Warpmind> *Lynati snickers at the "two nutcases in the basement" bit.* YES! DO IT! (I looove things like that!)

*Lynati finishes her hot chocolate and sweeps out of the room, mumbling about the state of the world and pointless foundations art assignments involving construction paper.)
Lynati
Kansas City, MO
Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:16:16 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

HEY EVERYONE! I haven't been here for a long while..classes and all. But I just found out, joy of joys, that if I take extra courses + work for the school newspaper that I won't have to take summer school! *grins* THAT MEANS more time at the Gathering!!! *is SOO excited!!* Best part is I was able to get my OWN section of the paper..two actually. I am in charge of Horoscopes (think Weird Al;)), and a humorous section I am going to call "Lex33's Campus Conspiracies" *sp?* It will focus on possible school cover ups in the Onion type format. I just started, and already I have 5 stories on the burner! Boy it really is fun asking random ppl stupid questions, and then putting them in a paper. *loves this* The best 2 credits I ever earned *beams*

*********RANTRANTRANT*****************************
This is probably something knowbody in here is interested in, but I dumped one of my classes. It was a sociology *sp?* class entitled, "Marriage And The Family". It took me two classes to realize someone must have made a mistake, and what I was really suffering through was "Feminists 101". ..You have NO IDEA ..the pain..THE PAIN. Somehow this prof. got through school without learning how to teach. She read from the book to us like it was freaking story time. Heck, I could have stayed home and done that. She gave us 2 large text books, a HUGE pile of reserved readings, class hand outs every class (to be filled out as she read to us) notes from class, and videos to watch. The frist day of class I raised my hand and asked something to the effect of, "What do you want us to focus on the most when studying?" She answered me saying, "Oh..that would be giving it away."..um I'm sorry..wouldn't that be TEACHING??? Isn't that the whole point? I come to class, you tell me what you want me to learn, if I have questions you answer them, then you test me to see how much I learned..right? AM I RIGHT?? Then she proceeds to shove a bunch of complete liberal/femy junk down our throughts *sp?*. Oh man..Everyone just kept NODDING their heads like she was making some big revelations. All of what she said could be catagorized into two groups. Facts that which you should know already or you are a complete moron, or facts that Arn't facts at all cuz it's a bunch of crap. I thought, maybe I could handle this..maybe..I could cope. I tried. I really did. I hadn't ever planned on dropping a class. But when I got to the text books..well I realized something had to be done. The books couldn't form an argument to save their sorry butts..if they had any. For example. The book is trying to convince us that life 'in the good ol' days' was just as screwed up family wise as it is now. Now..I don't know a heck of a lot. I personally belive that while it was harder, children today have FAR more access to bad things and FAR less dicipline. *sp?* But anyway. The book tries to convince us of this..by what you say? Giving us stats on divorce rates? Evidence of family or spousal abuse? No. The book had a _way_ better argument. It says, "back then, ppl used to live in dirt houses, and ppl had to work long hard hours. Infact, even the children had to work at very young ages. ...0_o...

I'm sorry..but that is just plain EMOTIONAL PROPAGANDA! If I tried to write that on ANY of my english papers my Prof would laugh in my face. What the heck kind of argument is that?? And that is NOT the only one. Not by a long shot. I couldn't read the rest of the book. It gave me headaches to think that other students were reading this, nodding their heads and saying, "wow..well what do you know"? Not only could the book NOT write an argument, it also contradicted itself constantly. In one chapter it would take one argument and back it (if it jived with what it was saying), then turn around in another and fight against it. Totally confused me! How can ppl read that thing and NOT get a headache?? One chap says that it is total myth that woman are closer to their newborns then men, afterall (the book argues) why else would they have parenting classes at hospitols)..heck I'm convinced! Then a few chapters down it has Actuall interviews with men stating that, "My wife is much better with the children then I am." "I just don't understand them as well as she does". ..so um..what am I supposed to learn here? Total conflicting of 'facts'. After a few chapters of this I realized that I would never pass this woman's tests. First off she gave us WAY too much information. (I hate those 'teachers' that just give handouts..that is NOT teaching) Second all the facts..well weren't facts! How could I possibly get this strait in my head? Well, I didn't drop the class just yet. I had to turn in a paper for her that week on a bunch of busy work topics. I basically had to compare my grandparents, parents and my furture household. See whice sex ran what around the house (again..she is an exreamly bad femy). Well I wrote the paper. She gave it back with more written on it then I had. Let me tell you something. I am not bragging, but I skipped three years of Highschool, and passed out of English 101 with a score over 700. (ya..I write screwy and mispelled here but what I hand in is good stuff;)) So first off..it wasn't the format..or the spelling..or grammer..I fixed them. She had a problem with me not sighting things. Now..that is true. Plagerism or just coming up with facts is a bad bad thing. But ppl..she wanted me to site things like "Males are on average physically stronger then females" and "Male children were prefered at that time because they were able to carry on the family name and work more physically demanding jobs out in the feilds" Ok..I personally DON'T think that should have to be sighted..I could understand if she was truly concerened with me sighting things because she maybe thought I didn't know how, but it wasn't just that. It was simply her not liking me pointing out the obvious. Hey, I can't change history. She is such an airhead. She is femy to the point of being completely biased to REALITY. She wrote on one of our papers "HER-story" afterall..it isnt just male history is it? *gags* When I wrote that bit about the farmers she underlined it and wrote, "Woman are farmers too" OH REALLY??? When I mentioned that woman were able to enter the work force when the industrial age started..she jumps in with this comment "Why couldn't woman take children to work with them". Ok..first off..I wasn't talking about kids at all. Second..yes..she had children and hasn't figured that answer out yet. I know.. my head hurts too. I pointed out that millenia *sp* ago ( I made it VERY CLEAR we were talking about clans and tribes and stuff) sex roles started out of convinience. Males were stronger so they hunted and protected, woman could have children so they were more likely to be near the home anyway. Winters and such were absolutly brutal. You didn't leave your kids unprotected. And I don't know about you, but sending woman who are most of the time either pregnant, nursing or watching small children out to hunt and fight is just a tad bit stupid. Well. She sure fixed my little red wagon with this remark,"89% of the worlds food products come from female workers. _Not_ inside the home." (I forgot the exact percentage) OH YA..IM SORRY I forgot they could have just walked to Walmart! GEEZ where the heck is she? I'm at the freaking dawn of time, and she's talking about world food products?? HUH? I'll skip over her other dumb remarks, and get to the bashing part. At the end of my paper in the part about my future family ( I had to make one up so me and Kaioto were married and such)I accidentally used the word 'have'. I said something like this. "If Martin and I decided to adopt a child I would stay home until he or she was old enough to enter school if he would have me".. something like that..only with much better grammer. Anyway. She freaked on that one. The only reason I said 'have me' is cuz he would be making a heck of a lot more then me. I don't think I have to right to say I am just plain having a kid and quiting my job and screw you. You support all of us. She took out her little red marker and wrote next to it, "He would _HAVE YOU_? What does _THAT_ mean?" And yes..it was underlined like five times. That to me sounds more like a bash. IE: "so..your his little slave ha?

Anyway. I dropped that class. I guess it just really angers me that we have so many ppl like her in the world. Stupid. All talk and not thought, and ppl THESE GUYS ARE TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN! I had a scary thought as I left that class. I realized that most everyone in that classroom was going to reproduce..and I would have to teach their kids. *gets out asprin*

Ah well. That's it for my annoying rant. Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest.

Lexy
Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:56:17 PM
IP: ac981427.ipt.aol.com

** Niamhgold enters **

** Moment of silence ensue...*

...

Hey, all. Bad news on the international front, I guess :( Did I miss Dreamie's B-day party? If I did, Feliz Cumpleanos to you, amiga! And if I didn't...where's the party again?

School's been all right, now that everyone's back from Fall Break. Problem is, I thought I could get ahead of everyone by doing my projects early, but instead I just spent longer on the projects than I normally do. See, every homework assignment needs to be done in six or more hours to get a C, and ten hours an assignment to get an A. I spent _thirty_ hours on one of my assignments, putting me way behind as I normally have to do ten 10-hour assignments a week (if I want to get an A). Additionally, with the paper that was due...

Well, it's gone and overwith and I've got Halloween and Thanksgiving to look forward to! I'm going to bed early tonight, hopefully to catch up on the less than three hours I've been getting lately. Dammit, I'm getting _out_ of here this weekend! Whitemarsh, ho!

Emambu: Darn, I keep forgetting to send you stuff! I'm going to do that right now as we speak...

Winterwolf: Hey, bud, how's everything going? Haven't heard from ya lately! ** Huggles ** Hope work isn't too tough, since heaven knows we don't need the population having my workload!

Gside: Friday the 13th tomorrow >:) Think of it as April Fool's Day with a sly twist... >:) BTW, my friend Colin at JHU is working on a way to screw up the vending machines. You might like to chat with him; he knows a lot of great stuff (heaven knows I like chatting with him since he's a great change from the solely-artist guys around here :))

Neat note: Today we talked about Aboriginal culture in my history class. It was neat, since it involved all the info I had to look up for my fanfics, and the teacher thought I was well-read...heh-heh-heh...

(Notice how I'm using many ellipses here...I'm revolting against the strict guidelines of the contextual essay I just turned in..........)

....

>:}

Adios and happy Friday the 13th!
Niamhgold
Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:49:14 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

U.S.S. Cole: The killers will be delt with swiftly, brutaly, and without mercy.

I fear the US will go to war before the years end.

We all mourn their loss. May it not be a view of things to come.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:40:56 PM
IP: 09-032.008.popsite.net

**enters solemnly with an honor guard behind him. They fire a 21-gun salute for the dead and missing of U.S.S. Cole before turning and leaving**

Okay, people ... forgive me for being this frank about this whole situation ... but quite truthfully, this whole situation scares the living piss out of me. Any number of terrorist factions could have been responsible, and after reading some articles about the general Palestinian opinion of peace ... I'm sorry, but *nobody* who has one *shred* of human common sense says "Peace? We don't want any peace!"
BTW, above was quoted from an 18 year old Palestinian in USA Today.
I'm very scared.

**waves to XenaTrek**
Coyote the Bando - [tazcaddy@vivavelocity.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:22:07 PM
IP: 216.28.101.54

*Archwolf enters with the other military members of his family and offers silent prayer and tribute to the crew of USS Cole*

God rest their Souls. And may the people behind it be found and...dealt with quickly.
Archwolf
Thursday, October 12, 2000 09:35:40 PM
IP: viking202-88.dhcp.csuohio.edu

A moment of silence for the crewmembers of the U.S.S. Cole that were killed in an explosion earlier today.
Tim P.
Thursday, October 12, 2000 09:20:48 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

Wilek the InsanE> thanks. DPH>(takes out Cronos Stone) How far into said future sir?
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, October 12, 2000 08:26:22 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-210.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Lynati > not all of us ... I matched Brooklyn with Angela before The Journey aired, and have only foreshadowed/threatened Lex in a vision of a possible future. Though I do still get blamed for being so mean to him in TGS ... hey, guys, I just wrote from the outline! ; )

Stephen > best of luck! Oh, I mailed you those fliers; should be seeing them soon.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, October 12, 2000 07:35:16 PM
IP: 16-181.009.popsite.net

B5 vs DS9 - To be honest, I'm of the opinion that while there are some similarities between some elements in both series, each series is as different as night and day. DS9 deals with a very unified Earth-led Federation (well, as unified as the writers allowed...); B5 had trouble right down to the core of the Earth government (between Psicorp, Home Guard, and subterfuge run rampant, it was amazing that EarthGov stayed as stable as it did for as long as it appeared to be.), as well as Alien Governments that had their own agendas... some that had universe-shaking reprecussions.

I've heard all the nay-say between the fan-bases of both groups, but as far as I am concerned it's like trying to stand between two rabid dogs; neither one is going to conceed to the other, and both are so fanatical no outside party is going to change them otherwise. So, I'm just going to just say I enjoy both shows for the parts that weren't stolen or copied, and leave it at that.

SPIKE & CHRISTINE MORGAN - Do me a favor, and please recontact me on ICQ. My ICQ crashed, and I need your numbers reauthorized.

Thanks for all the well wishes on the job... I start my orientation for the one tomorrow.

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, October 12, 2000 07:31:46 PM
IP: 24129160hfc185.tampabay.rr.com

**Science Fiction question**
which has higher ratings: ST:Voyager or Farscape?
**END Science Fiction question**

**60s BATMAN**
I saw reruns once upon a time when I was much younger. Now, that I have seen them again, I guess I look at them differenly. Man, things have improved a lot in writing since the 60s.
**END 60s Batman**

**WEAPONS DEBATE**
Personally, I would settle for some atomic grenades with a timer on them or better yet, mutant powers.

Speaking of which, should the mutates be required to register their presence anywhere since martial arts experts are required to.
**END WEAPONS DEBATE**

**RP RELATED**
ok, I will re-phrase the question. Who in this room considers himself/herself to be among the people who think the most ahead? For example, when playing games, you do not think about your next move or your opponent's response to your next move but at least 2 or more turns ahead.
**END RP RELATED**

**INTELLIGENCE QUESTION**
I forget one thing. How does one measure intelligence instead of measuring education?
**END INTELLIGENCE QUESTION**

**SANITY QUESTION**
Well, I imagine sometime in the future someone will invent a device for increasing one's sanity. All we need is a volunteer to travel to the future and retrieve such a device.
**END SANITY QUESTION**

**DPH looks in his pocket and sees that his jar of sanity is still there. A wormhole appears and DC walks out of it. A portal quickly sucks DC away and DPH disappears for a few moments. A sonic boom is heard and moments later, DC is seen flying backwards through the front door and then out the other side of the room. A few minutes later DC flies through the front wall and finally lands. "I was just testing out how far DC would travel using the momentum instead of energy of a certain attack," says DPH.**

**BFTS RP continues**
September 18
DPH wakes up to find Jason Filler inside his house, and says, "How convient. We are about to head on a journey to battle against NCA."

Mr. Connect [through Jason Filler] replies, "I can hardly wait to have my revenge on him for what he did to me."

DPH says, "Let us start packing."

DPH, Plastique Saber, Jason Filler, and Frost spend the rest of the packing DPH's car for the battle.

A spy outside calls Speed Star HQ and reports DPH is packing his car.
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH - [<--Click here to vote for your favorite BFTS RP plotline]
AR, USA
Thursday, October 12, 2000 06:59:01 PM
IP: max1-20.cwy.cei.net

I want to see the current state of the DMV as a topic on the next presidential debate. I took my driving test today. It took me half an hour to drive out there, ten minutes to get set, and 5 seconds to fail. Just lovely.

The problems are: The place I went to has the cones for the maneuverability test closer together than regulation. This was a rumor I was able to confirm. Second, the cones are set up on a decline. So when you do the reverse part, you can't just coast, you have to apply gas.

Annoying. But anyway...

Kyryn> Re: Anecephaly> I'd say an anecephalite is NOT a human being. It's only technically alive. If souls exist, its would either not be there, or be "unactivated."

DS9/B5> I didn't buy into the rumors of DS9 ripping off B5 right away. Only in the last couple seasons did I really see it, and get severely pissed. DS9 went so downhill in its final hours. Unlike Voyager, it actually had some promise. But it was totally squandered by incompetent writing. That series finale? Garbage.

Gunjack Valentine: <<<Be nice... He was just venting!>>>

Oh, and do I do that a lot. ;)

<<<Life and death are not open to personal opinion, but are actual medical states.>>>

And if it was that cut and dry, there wouldn't be a controversy, surely. The line blurs when it comes to abortion. The two halves begin to overlap.

<<<I've been trying to apply logic to my worldview lately, and one of my *rapidly* growing peaves is when people use emotion to hide logical gaps.>>>

Wow. Straight out of my mouth.

<<<Thanks for the responces!>>>

You're a fun responder-toer.

Wilek> LOL! I don't think I even need to say anything more than that. Just, LOL. :)

Tim> No prob.
Entity
Thursday, October 12, 2000 05:44:12 PM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

*Warpmind enters, carrying a half-yard long cigar, seemingly in doubt.*
This baby... should I sample its fumes, or not? The tobacco is claimed to be good, but if I smoke this much at once, I'll wind up very, very sick... ah, decisions, decisions... :|

Archwolf: Noble swordsman, I urge you to re-read that post... I said "second thoughts", not "change of heart". From my current vantage point, the duel is an unknown, depending on my opportunities to learn at the very least a few basic moves, as well as maybe working out a bit, preferrably with a rapier in-hand, so I'll get used to the weight... unfortunately, right now, such things are inaccessible to me (push-ups can only get you so far...), but there is a definite chance this will change soon, maybe even this month... a duel is not impossible, merely slightly leaning toward improbable, the way things are standing now...

Mary: Glad you liked the suggestion. Oh, and don't look at my question as picking on your spelling - consider it me checking to see if it was a new word I could learn. :)

James Birdsong: Stop the UCB? Well... I suppose I *could* check with Ruger, since he is currently assigned to the UCB experiment, but... he's in a higher eschelon than I am, so... no promises. ;)

Batman series: Oh! Oh! Is that the one with all the cartoon effects in the action scenes? Punches in written form covering the screen to hide the actual events? That old series is AWESOME! (Pity, really... last I heard, the guy who played Batman in that old series was a wreck... wat a grim fate...)

Lynati: Yeah, figures... creepy, ain't it? :) Granted, the idea of the title "Grandmaster" was something I took from the Morganverse, but aside from that... *Flicks up a cell phone* Someone get me the FBI headquarters; I wanna talk with the two nutcases in the basement.

On that thread... I reckon TGS ought to have a little joke about X-Files... maybe Martin Hacker meeting Matt Bluestone, saying something like "Oh, and Matt? You're no longer the official FBI conspiracy nut - there are two cooks in the basement that have taken over..."
Just a thought...

Gside: You're afraid you won't live your music choices down? Don't worry; there's enough cheesy songs to go through. ;) As for my handle, well, "de" is, as far as I get it, mostly an indication of a touch of blue blood, particularly in the western European countries. However, Norway is not included there... though, greasing the right cogs might get it through. Question is, will it be worth it? I don't think so... however, if I ever leave the country on a permanent basis... :)

Gunjack: I said you'd love "Eskimo"? Hmmm... I *think* I was referring to "Pigeons" there... As for whether or not I've ever fired a gun, well... kinda depends on your definition of "gun". Sure, I've fired a salon rifle (.25 caliber, I think) on one occasion, and I've used a few different kinds of BB guns; one rifle type and one handgun (pesky .175 calibers - couldn't make a hole in my jeans while I wore them; my neighbour tried. I got angry, grabbed the gun and hunted him down afterwards, without even twitching...) plus, of course, a few of those automatic thingies at amusement parks... but never anything with a real chance to kill anything. Except the salon rifle, which could probably kill a hamster at 20 feet... :( I'm seriously undernourished on experience in that sector, too... As for the Sabatti versus the Desert Eagle... I'd say that there's a fairly even match - the Desert Eagle makes a big hole, but you need a pretty steady aim for it; the shotgun only requires you to point in the target's general direction... my ideal combo: a rifle with sniper attachments for distance targets, a Desert Eagle for medium distance, and a saw-off for CLOSE encounters. :) Oh, and I *do* know the recoil can be quite real - I almost dislodged my shoulder on the salon rifle. (I held it VERY incorrectly - almost an inch in front of my sholder - the jerk slammed it into my arm.)

Wilek: Destroy RL and replace it with our Matrix? Sounds good... :) As for the MP3 I referred to, check out "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park", in Gside's posted mp3s. That's the one. :) Oh, and according to the Bible (or so I hear from those in the know), all magic originates from the infernal. Personally, I disagree with that; I reckon magic is on whuppin' big gray zone where you got the divine brand on on end of the scale, and the infernal brand on the other, and a heck of a lot of fun in-between. (Or, to as Arien Mirida said, the morality of magic is often based on how it is used...)

Fire Storm: Hey, it's a common mistake, amigo - I know a *lot* of people who confuse the direction of the pH scale on a daily basis (fortunately, none of them are involved in any science projects...), so your mistake is... negligible. :) As for my getting an A-10 Gatling... well, no, but I *was* considering to meddle a bit with demonic summonings, and I want all the necessary precautions in place first. ;) (Well, not really *demonic* summonings, but... just to be on the safe side, nonetheless...)

**RP**
Warpmind cleared his throat and stepped past the plant, drawing SJ and Kari's attention to himself, rather than the demons.
"Sorry if I interrupted something, guys, I just wanted you to know we now have some Demonic weaponry to help us. I figure we still have a day or two to get ready, at the very least, so if you could meet me tomorrow, I'm handing out some boosted stuff to you and the demons. Excuse me, but I'll have to notify them too... now, to find them first..."
Warpmind bowed gallantly and turned on his heel, vanishing back past the plant. Winking to the demons, he added in a whisper, "Hope I managed to draw all their attention there... I figure I might want to hear this too - I'm not gossiping, but I enjoy hearing a few juicy details on occasion."
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, October 12, 2000 03:42:36 PM
IP: mp-217-204-138.daxnet.no

*DC is walking down a long hallway that is under construction when the lights suddenly go out.*
"Dang it! Better not be anyone trying to kill me! I just had this suit cleaned! When I find..."
*DC is stopped by a very in-human growl/hiss*
*...Uh oh... Gargoyle?" No response. "Mutate" Still no response. "WHAT ARE YOU!?!" DC yells as he fumbles around in the dark. Suddenly, he hit's something hard, cold, and slick."X...X...Xenomorph?"
"Yesss..." The voice hisses.
*Screams of DC flow into the CR*
"Yummy!" Fire Storm says as he picks his teeth while he walks into the CR from a darkly lit hallway.
A black and white Pokemon with red cheeks stops in front of Fire Storm
"Mr. Mime!" says the pokemon.
"AHHHHH!" Fire Storm yells. Quickly, he punts the Pokemon out of the CR.
"MR MIIIIIIIIIME...." The Pokemon yells.
*FS pulls out a ICBM missle and throws it towards the Pokemon. The sky is soon filled with bright, cheery atomic colors*
"There. That feels better."

DC killed my protocols! I could dial but I couldn't access the net!

Gside: 
True. I always forget about that!
<What's up with the "cbcd," if I may ask?>
The name of my company. No, the letters don't mean anything.
<I've become rather lax on security>
Understandably. I give my SS# freely at school, but I have a wierd fear about my name. And I am VERY paranoid about allowing my work to have direct access to my bank accounts.
<Ah. But what is up with the ordering of the colors?>
By hue, if I am correct. (Yellows together, reds together, etc)
<And what happened to pictures 1 through 99?>
I have no idea. That is just how it is set up, I guess.

Ahh... lovely, lovely copy/paste!
<So what message would be 194 characters long?>
It was a short story/prohpecy
Where there any MP3's between 13 questions and Tom Lehrer?
<http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr>
Thank you for pointing someone in right direction!

Warpmind: <How you could have goofed that question? With sincerity and conviction?>
Hey, it's been 4 years since I had chemistry!

*FS whistles to someone outside of the room. After a few seconds, the long missing Hunter Fire Storm comes into the CR, followed by Bubba*
"Show them your gun"
*HFS pulls out his 125mm cannon*
"Thank you. That will be all."
<Seriously, though, whatcha reckon my chances are to get an A-10 gatling legally registered as a self-defense weapon?>
Hmm... do you frequently have tank-driving bears going through your kitchen? :)

Tim P: <Hanson>
Do you mean Manson? Hmm... Well, Hanson DOES freak me out!

Emambu: <Xenomorphs eat nice people. Remember that god-awful movie "Alien: Resurrection?">
Oh sure! Remeber THAT horrible movie!
Hey, when you have 100 hungry mouths to feed and a limited ammount of soldiers, you would eat nice people too!
Good guys just don't taste good. They give us a stomach ache.

Gunjack: <What DO Xenomorphs eat?>
Whatever the hell we want! :)
Seriously, though, pretty much anything. The acid in our blood helps us metabolize pretty much anything. That helps us live just about anywhere.
BUT humans have quite a bit of protien in their brain...
And humans taste good.

Mary Flanders: <He says that one of them is really whole milk with a whole lot of water in it.>
Only in resturants when they are out of skim milk.

Wilek: < Believe it or not, there's a way of doing something along those lines>
And for the life of me, I can't get it to work.
<BTW, have you checked out www.7deadlysims.com? Great stuff there.>
DEATHMATCH!
<They even have H.R. Giger wallpaper.>
Harumph. I go to him for a portrait and he ends up selling them. <G>
<Never mind. Don't wanna know>
*I* didn't kill them, if you want to know. I just have attended a few wind ceremonys in my day.

XenaTrek: *Waves*
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, October 12, 2000 01:56:42 PM
IP: 09-127.008.popsite.net

Entity: Sorry about the confusion other the firearm/nuke comparision. It's just that there are actually quite a few gun control advocates who actually use that and other poorly thought out arguements. They usually take an NRA member or spokemans words out of contex, taken literally when a sarcastic comment is made (like I did), or they make it up out of desperation.
Tim P.
Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:49:53 AM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

****Kyryn steps in.****

Robbie> <B5>Yep. It was originally filmed in widescreen. And yep, DS9 did some serious ripping off of series characters and plotlines. It was shortly after the original pilot for B5 aired that Paramount suddenly announced that they had this new series in production: DS9. I remember all the fan chatter back and forth offline when that happened.

Lynati> We've determined that there is a Gargoyles Fan Collective Unconscious. Certain elements tend to appear and reappear in different fanfics having been arrived at independently by their authors.

Stephen> Good luck with the job hunt! I also wish you much patience with the inbound call center work if you get that job. I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt, and threw it away! Some people aren't cut out for that kind of work and I'm one of them.

Newfolks> Welcome!

Nick, Ghost, and everyone who has been asking> Yes, there is another season of the Main Gargoyles Series. It is being written right now. We have a limited staff and most of them sandwich this in between college, work, and other things. Please be patient.

Skim milk> Actually skim and lowfat milks are just regular milk with the butterfat and cream removed. The reason that whole milk costs more (hearkening back to a comment a couple of weeks ago) is that when the butterfat and cream are not removed, they can't be used to make butter. thus depriving the farmer of the second income from the separate sale of butter.

Mary Flanders> About your birds and incense> I have friends who have a Senegal parrot and they have told me that they cannot burn incense in a room that he is in because it will affect his respiratory tract and apparently birds tend to be far more sensitive to respiratory irration than we humans are. BTW, I believe that that is the reason that they used to use canaries in mines to warn the miners about gas buildups -- if the bird keeled over the miners knew that they needed to get out fast. Also remember that religion is not all about the outward forms - don't get too hung up in that. Yes, they provide a focus, but the real center is in your prayers going to whatever deity you believe in. There have been times where I could not set up things for a holy day, instead I spent some time in quiet prayer and meditation. Blessed be.

Later All!

***Kyryn leaves.***

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:32:49 AM
IP: 216.35.46.129

Wilek>(destroys any scuttlers who comes near me) As soon as the UCB problem is taken care of let me know. I'll be around trying to undo the damage they leave behind as they go. Long live the illuminati.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacduff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, October 12, 2000 09:46:34 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-228.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*sneaks in the room and see familiar, new faces and a whole lot of chatting*

First post in a long while... anyone miss me?

*waves Hi to Sev Jr, Stephen Jr, Firestorm, Lady Mystic, Jannie (sp?), Jenna, Coyote, GB, Winterwolf, Crzy, and everyone else she missed* Hey guys... sorry I haven't been around, its been busy here left and right. *hugs*

Hi to the newbies... Welcome aboard!

Fun stuff... hmm.. oh... experienced my first ever tire blow out yesterday afternoon... I was expecting a bang and not a pop. I felt the 'pop' (since I can't hear 100% I rely on feeling rather than sound)... thought I dropped something... then my car felt like the bottom fell out or something, pulled into a gas station, checked my car, and saw whats left of my poor tire... absolutely nothing! Gonna swing by the dealer this afternoon and get a new one. Thats one of two highlights for the day.

*Spoliers Ahead* (just in case I reveal too much)
The second highlight was the special screening of "Cyberworld" at the IMAX here in Orlando. I highly recommend it to everyone whos interested in 3D Computer animation and the works. Jenna Elfman (she's hillarious) plays the host "Phing" who gives us a tour of her computer animation gallery, during the tour, the whole place starts to decindergrate (sp??), throughtout the show she tries to find out what the problem is and finds out there is a little 'bug' (litterally) problem in the system voiced by Matt Frewer and Rob Smith (have not idea who Smith is). Dave Foley provides a voice in the film as well... I think its "Hank" the tech support guy and/or the 3D bug clip with the 'sporting' bug. There are also clips from "Antz" and "The Simpson". Its a great little flick. The best two parts in the film has to be when "Phing" calls "Hank" for tech support... the answering service saids... "Thank you for calling, your call is very important to us... your hold time is 2 hours and ... minutes"... sounds a lot like the AOL tech support I experience. The 2nd part is whenever "Phing" asks for the battle gear... she gets zapped into a bunny suit first. Again, I highly recommend this little picture... but be forwarned... there is some eye-crossing moments and motion in the picture... if you are prone to motion sickness... sit near the exit.
*End Spolier*

Gotta run... more later.
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, October 12, 2000 08:56:31 AM
IP: proxy2b.lmco.com

Oops... O_O' My browser gave me an error about the server returning an invalid or unrecognized response, so I tried again...<flenses Mr. Disconnect>
Wilek
Thursday, October 12, 2000 05:36:44 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Kit> <<We appreciate those of you who have been praying for Doug's friend Charles too, even if now any further prayers must be for his family and soul. <sighs> That's right, he passed away this morning.>> Oh no! :( <moment of silence> <<Now if we can only get you back into the RP�:)>> Oh how I'd like that...at some point, I ceased to have enough time to read them in-depth enough to contribute intelligibly to them, and by the time I did have enough time, enough had happened to invalidate my plans (I suspect) and I had utterly lost track of what was going on... :/ <<We enjoy making friends with the people like this whom we have met, not sure if we'd ever actively seek them out. Sometimes it ain't good to press your luck too much, know what I'm saying? :)>> Definitely. Find someone *too* weird, and you might end up with someone who has hobbies like Greek ostrich wrestling and Indonesian octopus porn. (I'm still trying to forget Frito Del Fudgio.)

Warpmind> <<What took you so long, amigo?>> RL stuff...someday, I'll have to destroy RL and replace it with, well, this. <<As for your AWOL tentacles... considered activating a pandimensional transenergic amorphous barrier matrix, controlled by either the AI-523 or AS-117 neural-net chip? Should work; hooked up to one a canister of compressed sanity, I'd say the tentacles would be chanceless... ;)>> <beatific> Of course...project the sanity through the matrix to calcify the space that the creature is sending its tentacles into, use an interphase coil to form a causeway between its space and ours, and then lock and load...muhahaha. Many thanks. >:) <<Found an awesome mp3, which I suspect Wilek, at least, will love, and I can't shake the image of dr. Anton Sevarius having this one on constant loop while he's working...>> Ooh...what's it called; maybe I can find it somewhere? ^_^ <<and until Gside someday decides to post it, I'll keep my trap shut. ]:)>> Ah. Nevermind. <hopes> <<the use of firearms is mandatory education - every male in the country is required to have a gun in his house, in case of invasion. And while they're at it, Switzerland also has the lowest gun accident statistic in the world, because there's virtually *nobody* there who doesn't know how to handle a gun properly; most gun deaths there are intentional.>> Wow. <takes notes> <<Though, I have a hunch "de InzanE" won't go through easily>> You could always say it's French. :) <<May your reign be long and... uh, wait, that'd contradict my own domination plans (which coincide with the Nereus Project), so I'm afraid I'll have to dethrone you one of these days... Sorry. ;)>> I don't know, if he joins us, I'll probably make him king of something pretty cool. ^_^ <> It isn't? ;P <> Are you sure? Does it specifically mention magic in any way other than 'sorcery'? Because... if I remember correctly, the word sorcery, in the Bible, is a mistranslation of a Greek word (pharmakeios, or something along those lines) that today would equal "drugs". (I think, anyhow. Of course, it's been a LONG time, so it's very possible that I got all the above wrong...) Now, actually allying oneself to demons and the like is another matter...<<to give you an idea, "Blom" translates directly to "Blossom" or "Flower" and "kvist" translates to "twig" or "stick"... that oughtta give you a better clue of the terrors I've endured...>> OMG. :O

Aris> <<About clothes transforming - I always felt it as a bit of a prudity cop-out - a small bit of needless unrealisticness just to escape even the mention of nudity...>> Well naked people have little or no influence on society anyhow. ;P

Spacebabie> <<ok my dog Frisky after he drinks he dribbles from his mouth. I didnt see the dribble and slipped on it. Mr right knee banged on the floor and know there is a knot and its all bruised.>> Ack. :( Hope it doesn't still hurt, or that it stops doing so soon...

Coyote, Robby, Niamhgold> Pets> Oh no! :`( Sincerest condolences, friends (even if they're a bit late)...

Emambu> <> AOL to T3?! That's like upgrading from an old wheelbarrow to a TIE Defender... 8) <<you spent all those days writing that post? Now THAT'S dedication! :)>> No, it's obsession. Possibly stalking. ;P <<Also, I've never heard Liberi Fatali. What it about (aside from the obvious I mean)?>> It's a choral piece, along the lines of O Fortuna. The lyrics are at http://www.gamingforce.com/audio/lyrics/ff8liberi.html; for some reason they make me think of Gargoyles (I have no idea why...perhaps all the talk of awakening to destroy evil). The MP3 can be acquired elsewhere on that site or at http://surf.to/fmc; I highly recommend it. ^_^

Jackal> <<Who's screaming outside, god that's annoying!!!>> I can't decide if that's the coolest thing ever said in here, or the scariest. :P

SJ> <<If you are a new viewer, you're gonna want to watch out for 2 characters as the season progresses: the Vorlon ambassador Kosh, and the Ranger, Marcus.>> I enthusiastically second that. Kosh just rocks holy arse (yes, that's a good thing). I want the number of his tailor. <<BTW, has anyone seen the ubercool Gundam toys and model kits? Toys R' Us sells tons of them. They're just beautiful.>> I have a few of them (Tallgeese, Chibi Epyon, and Chibi...Gouf, I think); they are indeed cooler than words can express. ^_^ Return Of The Joker editing> <GRR> OK, if they go through with this, someone dies. Strike that, EVERYONE dies. I for one have been waiting for a REALLY mature American animated film like this for a very long time, and there is no way these idiots will be allowed to mess it up...

Gside> <<anyone, know about VIII? I haven't checked it out yet>> There is a Cid in VIII; Cid Kramer (I think), the headmaster of Balaam Garden. Very kewl person. ^_^ <<Build multidimensional walls to keep it in the same place in the other dimensions, leaving its only degree of freedom with us.>> Oooh...and it would work well combined with the other plan. Thanks! ^_^ <<Too late. Happen to know a place to get a glitch free version of the Boston Pops doing FFVII? Every single file I try has an error.>> I don't know if it's the Boston Pops, but there is an album called FF7 Reunion whose last three tracks are orchestrated. (I recommend One-Winged Angel.) I think you can get it at www.gamecave.com (an online import store). I also have an MP3 of a Pops-esque group (don't know if it's them or not) doing much of the Super Mario Bros OST that can be acquired from the Orchestral Game Concert 4 album at www.gamingforce.com/audio. ^_^ <<But what can we do about it?>> Good question. :/ <<<<please feed the chibis>>: They've been largely incommunicado lately. Perhaps they have been off tortoring DC just for the heck of it.>> Hm...I know two of mine are off on some mission...<<And indestructable. Please pass the Wilek.>> What, are you people smoking me in a bong? :P Masochism Tango> This I have to see...<<Actually they cut open a cow, put plastic where they cut, and now you can check out the contents of the cow's stomach.>> >_< The dangers of surgeons with too much time on their hands...<<G-side, G-boy, G-boy Jr., G-spot>> G-string? G-nome? G-nesis? G-n'pool? :P <<Isn't that part of Robby's job? But Wilek seems to have dibs on the collection for further uses.>> I stole it, basically. 8P <<<<complaints about hardcore porn being shown to gradeschoolers at a museum>>: Gotta love Leda and the Swan. And just about everyone has done a version.>> <blink> Never mind, don't think I wanna know...

Fire Storm> <<Thats more of a IP disguising company. I need a way to share the internet connection of 1 computer to 3 others.>> Hm. No idea. :/ (Other than connecting them all to different phone lines in the same house, and then none of them could be online at the same time...) <<World domination through self mutilation!>> It would explain the Cenobites...<<ULTRA-MEGA-SUPER-FUN-MECHA-GO-BALL!>> <L> Believe it or not, there's a way of doing something along those lines. :) (BTW, have you checked out www.7deadlysims.com? Great stuff there. They even have H.R. Giger wallpaper. =D ) <<Got plenty of ash of a dead gargoyle>> <opens his mouth to say something, then closes it, changing his mind> Never mind. Don't wanna know. <<It appears that Chris Rogers is gonna NUKE the archive!>> Yikes. Glad all my stuff's on my hard drive.

DJ> Mother> Ack. :( At least she'll be well taken care of, but it still had to have been hard to do...

Doug> Job-related stresses> My GODS. O_O <speechless> <<you seemed like the only one in here who gave them other than Kit! :(>> I have in this post, but this post is really late... :/ <<Good to have another weird in an incredibly cool way person back in our lives. :)>> <blush> ^_^

Ari> <<And�well�I'm #23 on that list!!! I can't believe it. I'm so happy. (Did I mention that 23 is my lucky number? This is really too contrived. It's scary!)>> Woah. O_o <> Considering all I've heard about college workloads, it's probable that you didn't have a choice in the matter. :/ <<never, ever watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre and then go for a walk at 3 AM on a trail in the woods, it's way too spooky>> O_O Yikes...<<it's official, I will be at the debate tonight!!!>> Congratulations! ^_^

SOROW> Senior game> :O There are no words...<hugs> <> Ack. Here's hoping you don't get sick, and just in case...<layers all manner of warding enchantments onto a nice fur coat and gives it to you>

Jaden> <> Hope so. :) <prepares a low-level plus bomb just in case>

Niamhgold> <<Friday the 13th is this week (as I'm sure you're aware); dare I ask what the festivities shall consist of? ;)>> Bloody, carnal, and unnatural things. Great food too. ^_^

Mary Flanders> Parental difficulties> <sigh> Parents just don't understand, especially when it comes to religious freedom. :/ (Mine were like that. Every time I attempted a ritual, they were like, "Son, don't dissect people in the kitchen; you'll stain the tile. Son, don't burn effigies on the roof, you'll attract attention." Eesh.) <> What...?! >:/ What does this idiot think eclectic *means*, anyhow?!

Tim P> <<"Yeah, try running for it @$$hole! You'll only die tired! .308 HOLES MAKE INVISIBLE SOULS!">> You are my spiritual advisor, whether you know it or not. =) <<Not to rude, but untill someone finds a way to put a nuclear warhead into a bullet, you're arguement doesn't mean anything.>> You do not wanna see what my people are working on, then. >8)

Gun control> I've always thought people should be allowed to own rocket launchers and anti-aircraft weaponry. To the exclusion of other ranged weapons. Think about it: it'd be pretty much impossible to sneak a rocket launcher past the authorities, so only legitimately registered ones would be in circulation. Criminals would have to resort to conventional fire arms--so not only would law-abiding citizens be better armed than the criminal element for once, but they'd be forced to use their armament more responsibly--the fact that aiming wrong could blow up your house tends to make you stop and think. I don't see how this could go wrong. ;P
But seriously, I am opposed to heavy gun control for a very personal reason--I have a thing about my protection being dependent upon anyone who isn't under my direct control. Don't know why, just a quirk of mine. (Although I do prefer energy weapons to firearms. Not much recoil, and they're rarely loud enough to require ear protection. I like to slaughter in comfort, and being assailed by loud noises and jolts to the wrist isn't very comfortable.) That and I like finding new ways to destroy things on a variety of scales. (Firearms have something of a problem there--they can do a lot on a personnel basis, but try taking out a factory with one. A vortex rifle, on the other hand...)

Newcomers> Welcome! :D Leave your sanity with us, please; it chafes. :)

Archwolf> Welcome back! :D

Robby> <<As far as the sanity taking responsibility, I gave that to Wilek because like Deuce, he enjoyed it as a pass time. *Shrugs* He's in charge of it now, I dunno... WIlek, can we get a ruling?>> Well, realistically it *should* be the job of the administration since they established the place and I'm the kind of person who shouldn't have power, but no one seems to object, I'm enjoying it far too much to give it up now, and it serves a useful purpose. :) (Technically, I'm simply in charge of the stash of sanity, but that responsibility does tend to extend to its collection, ne?) <<Wilek... Er um, I... Um... SOMEONE will take your sanity and store it in a jar...>> See my note somewhere below about the scuttlers. :)

Gunjack> Welcome back! ^_^ (A lot of people returning lately...) Better take care of this now: All returners please remove any sanity you may have accumulated from the real world and deposit it with me. I'll see to its...disposal. =) <<Actually, the Bugs never really ate anyone. They just chewed 'em up and spit them out, or layed eggs in them. What DO Xenomorphs eat?>> Their victims, although it was never shown. They take 'em back to feeding chambers in their hives, string 'em up in modified coccoons, hang 'em from the ceiling, and take a piece off whenever they get hungry. Newborn aliens get the bits that fall off. See http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/3119/hive.html. :) <<I've never hunted and probably never will, but what's so bad about it? You spend a day or two in the woods, hiking, stalking, you take an animal, pack the meat out, and eat it. people have been doing it since before recorded history, and only after we became "civilised" did it become taboo... And out of curiousity, do you also dislike fishing? There's not much diference between the two...>> Well, we do have much better means of getting food now than hunting or fishing, and both are rather gross pastimes (I for one would not like to prepare an animal for eating--it gets oogy stuff all over one's hands--and I'd really rather not spend more than a few hours away from civilization in the first place...I'm quite the domesticated little lapdog, really :P )... <<Why EXACTLY were you so sure I'd love a song about gay eskimos? O_o>> Who doesn't?

DPH> <<Sanity question? I have a simple solution. Someone installs an automatic machine to suck out sanity when anyone enters.>> Already done. I have a couple droids, scuttlers I think, with sanity suckers attached. :) <<One of these days, I may want to gain more sanity.>> Uh oh...bad news> We haven't worked out exactly how to do that yet...<<Who all in this room considers herself/himself one of the smartest people in the room?>> I consider myself the opposite, if that helps.

Nadia> <> Wow! ^_^ Congratulations!

Entity> <<Ah, but the NRA defends the owning of ALL guns, big and small, semi-automatic and fission-propelled, neomagnetic, nuclear-powered.>> Ehh, fission weapons aren't as stable as neomagnetics (I have some neomagnetic scission crashers that are capable of flattening a structure the size of Castle Wyvern without reaching critical instability indices). That and they tend to produce toxic waste. <<And *is* it so bad to expose youngsters, in a controlled manner, to the eccentricities of the human body?>> Well, the body is kinda gross. And so inefficient. I mean really, any machine that produced as much waste in proportion to the energy it generates as the human body (and most other species', really) would be *demolished* by the EPA. Its autorepair systems are utterly inadequate, its fuel intake is hopelessly outdated, and its replication apparatus is the most obsolete and awkward mechanism I have EVER seen. <hits a button on his commlock> ANTON! I have a job for you I think you'll enjoy...

James Birdsong> <> OMG! :O No one messes with us and lives to tell of it...

Dame Corax> <<**The Dame turns to leave, then realizes that she left huge tire tracks across the CR and a large hole in one wall.** Oops. :)>> Worry not; we have droids to take care of that. :)

SRA Jr.> Good luck getting the new job! <hopes>

Lynati> <<ANYWAY...Did everyone who ever wrote have Brooklyn break from the clan and put through hell?>> I will, if I ever get that series written...well, it's more like his clan is taken away from him...hehehee <<did everyone have Lex end up Cyborged?>> No, but...[Wilek shuts up to avoid spoiling his plans further.] hehehe
Wilek
Thursday, October 12, 2000 05:31:17 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

Kit> <<We appreciate those of you who have been praying for Doug's friend Charles too, even if now any further prayers must be for his family and soul. <sighs> That's right, he passed away this morning.>> Oh no! :( <moment of silence> <<Now if we can only get you back into the RP�:)>> Oh how I'd like that...at some point, I ceased to have enough time to read them in-depth enough to contribute intelligibly to them, and by the time I did have enough time, enough had happened to invalidate my plans (I suspect) and I had utterly lost track of what was going on... :/ <<We enjoy making friends with the people like this whom we have met, not sure if we'd ever actively seek them out. Sometimes it ain't good to press your luck too much, know what I'm saying? :)>> Definitely. Find someone *too* weird, and you might end up with someone who has hobbies like Greek ostrich wrestling and Indonesian octopus porn. (I'm still trying to forget Frito Del Fudgio.)

Warpmind> <<What took you so long, amigo?>> RL stuff...someday, I'll have to destroy RL and replace it with, well, this. <<As for your AWOL tentacles... considered activating a pandimensional transenergic amorphous barrier matrix, controlled by either the AI-523 or AS-117 neural-net chip? Should work; hooked up to one a canister of compressed sanity, I'd say the tentacles would be chanceless... ;)>> <beatific> Of course...project the sanity through the matrix to calcify the space that the creature is sending its tentacles into, use an interphase coil to form a causeway between its space and ours, and then lock and load...muhahaha. Many thanks. >:) <<Found an awesome mp3, which I suspect Wilek, at least, will love, and I can't shake the image of dr. Anton Sevarius having this one on constant loop while he's working...>> Ooh...what's it called; maybe I can find it somewhere? ^_^ <<and until Gside someday decides to post it, I'll keep my trap shut. ]:)>> Ah. Nevermind. <hopes> <<the use of firearms is mandatory education - every male in the country is required to have a gun in his house, in case of invasion. And while they're at it, Switzerland also has the lowest gun accident statistic in the world, because there's virtually *nobody* there who doesn't know how to handle a gun properly; most gun deaths there are intentional.>> Wow. <takes notes> <<Though, I have a hunch "de InzanE" won't go through easily>> You could always say it's French. :) <<May your reign be long and... uh, wait, that'd contradict my own domination plans (which coincide with the Nereus Project), so I'm afraid I'll have to dethrone you one of these days... Sorry. ;)>> I don't know, if he joins us, I'll probably make him king of something pretty cool. ^_^ <> It isn't? ;P <> Are you sure? Does it specifically mention magic in any way other than 'sorcery'? Because... if I remember correctly, the word sorcery, in the Bible, is a mistranslation of a Greek word (pharmakeios, or something along those lines) that today would equal "drugs". (I think, anyhow. Of course, it's been a LONG time, so it's very possible that I got all the above wrong...) Now, actually allying oneself to demons and the like is another matter...<<to give you an idea, "Blom" translates directly to "Blossom" or "Flower" and "kvist" translates to "twig" or "stick"... that oughtta give you a better clue of the terrors I've endured...>> OMG. :O

Aris> <<About clothes transforming - I always felt it as a bit of a prudity cop-out - a small bit of needless unrealisticness just to escape even the mention of nudity...>> Well naked people have little or no influence on society anyhow. ;P

Spacebabie> <<ok my dog Frisky after he drinks he dribbles from his mouth. I didnt see the dribble and slipped on it. Mr right knee banged on the floor and know there is a knot and its all bruised.>> Ack. :( Hope it doesn't still hurt, or that it stops doing so soon...

Coyote, Robby, Niamhgold> Pets> Oh no! :`( Sincerest condolences, friends (even if they're a bit late)...

Emambu> <> AOL to T3?! That's like upgrading from an old wheelbarrow to a TIE Defender... 8) <<you spent all those days writing that post? Now THAT'S dedication! :)>> No, it's obsession. Possibly stalking. ;P <<Also, I've never heard Liberi Fatali. What it about (aside from the obvious I mean)?>> It's a choral piece, along the lines of O Fortuna. The lyrics are at http://www.gamingforce.com/audio/lyrics/ff8liberi.html; for some reason they make me think of Gargoyles (I have no idea why...perhaps all the talk of awakening to destroy evil). The MP3 can be acquired elsewhere on that site or at http://surf.to/fmc; I highly recommend it. ^_^

Jackal> <<Who's screaming outside, god that's annoying!!!>> I can't decide if that's the coolest thing ever said in here, or the scariest. :P

SJ> <<If you are a new viewer, you're gonna want to watch out for 2 characters as the season progresses: the Vorlon ambassador Kosh, and the Ranger, Marcus.>> I enthusiastically second that. Kosh just rocks holy arse (yes, that's a good thing). I want the number of his tailor. <<BTW, has anyone seen the ubercool Gundam toys and model kits? Toys R' Us sells tons of them. They're just beautiful.>> I have a few of them (Tallgeese, Chibi Epyon, and Chibi...Gouf, I think); they are indeed cooler than words can express. ^_^ Return Of The Joker editing> <GRR> OK, if they go through with this, someone dies. Strike that, EVERYONE dies. I for one have been waiting for a REALLY mature American animated film like this for a very long time, and there is no way these idiots will be allowed to mess it up...

Gside> <<anyone, know about VIII? I haven't checked it out yet>> There is a Cid in VIII; Cid Kramer (I think), the headmaster of Balaam Garden. Very kewl person. ^_^ <<Build multidimensional walls to keep it in the same place in the other dimensions, leaving its only degree of freedom with us.>> Oooh...and it would work well combined with the other plan. Thanks! ^_^ <<Too late. Happen to know a place to get a glitch free version of the Boston Pops doing FFVII? Every single file I try has an error.>> I don't know if it's the Boston Pops, but there is an album called FF7 Reunion whose last three tracks are orchestrated. (I recommend One-Winged Angel.) I think you can get it at www.gamecave.com (an online import store). I also have an MP3 of a Pops-esque group (don't know if it's them or not) doing much of the Super Mario Bros OST that can be acquired from the Orchestral Game Concert 4 album at www.gamingforce.com/audio. ^_^ <<But what can we do about it?>> Good question. :/ <<<<please feed the chibis>>: They've been largely incommunicado lately. Perhaps they have been off tortoring DC just for the heck of it.>> Hm...I know two of mine are off on some mission...<<And indestructable. Please pass the Wilek.>> What, are you people smoking me in a bong? :P Masochism Tango> This I have to see...<<Actually they cut open a cow, put plastic where they cut, and now you can check out the contents of the cow's stomach.>> >_< The dangers of surgeons with too much time on their hands...<<G-side, G-boy, G-boy Jr., G-spot>> G-string? G-nome? G-nesis? G-n'pool? :P <<Isn't that part of Robby's job? But Wilek seems to have dibs on the collection for further uses.>> I stole it, basically. 8P <<<<complaints about hardcore porn being shown to gradeschoolers at a museum>>: Gotta love Leda and the Swan. And just about everyone has done a version.>> <blink> Never mind, don't think I wanna know...

Fire Storm> <<Thats more of a IP disguising company. I need a way to share the internet connection of 1 computer to 3 others.>> Hm. No idea. :/ (Other than connecting them all to different phone lines in the same house, and then none of them could be online at the same time...) <<World domination through self mutilation!>> It would explain the Cenobites...<<ULTRA-MEGA-SUPER-FUN-MECHA-GO-BALL!>> <L> Believe it or not, there's a way of doing something along those lines. :) (BTW, have you checked out www.7deadlysims.com? Great stuff there. They even have H.R. Giger wallpaper. =D ) <<Got plenty of ash of a dead gargoyle>> <opens his mouth to say something, then closes it, changing his mind> Never mind. Don't wanna know. <<It appears that Chris Rogers is gonna NUKE the archive!>> Yikes. Glad all my stuff's on my hard drive.

DJ> Mother> Ack. :( At least she'll be well taken care of, but it still had to have been hard to do...

Doug> Job-related stresses> My GODS. O_O <speechless> <<you seemed like the only one in here who gave them other than Kit! :(>> I have in this post, but this post is really late... :/ <<Good to have another weird in an incredibly cool way person back in our lives. :)>> <blush> ^_^

Ari> <<And�well�I'm #23 on that list!!! I can't believe it. I'm so happy. (Did I mention that 23 is my lucky number? This is really too contrived. It's scary!)>> Woah. O_o <> Considering all I've heard about college workloads, it's probable that you didn't have a choice in the matter. :/ <<never, ever watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre and then go for a walk at 3 AM on a trail in the woods, it's way too spooky>> O_O Yikes...<<it's official, I will be at the debate tonight!!!>> Congratulations! ^_^

SOROW> Senior game> :O There are no words...<hugs> <> Ack. Here's hoping you don't get sick, and just in case...<layers all manner of warding enchantments onto a nice fur coat and gives it to you>

Jaden> <> Hope so. :) <prepares a low-level plus bomb just in case>

Niamhgold> <<Friday the 13th is this week (as I'm sure you're aware); dare I ask what the festivities shall consist of? ;)>> Bloody, carnal, and unnatural things. Great food too. ^_^

Mary Flanders> Parental difficulties> <sigh> Parents just don't understand, especially when it comes to religious freedom. :/ (Mine were like that. Every time I attempted a ritual, they were like, "Son, don't dissect people in the kitchen; you'll stain the tile. Son, don't burn effigies on the roof, you'll attract attention." Eesh.) <> What...?! >:/ What does this idiot think eclectic *means*, anyhow?!

Tim P> <<"Yeah, try running for it @$$hole! You'll only die tired! .308 HOLES MAKE INVISIBLE SOULS!">> You are my spiritual advisor, whether you know it or not. =) <<Not to rude, but untill someone finds a way to put a nuclear warhead into a bullet, you're arguement doesn't mean anything.>> You do not wanna see what my people are working on, then. >8)

Gun control> I've always thought people should be allowed to own rocket launchers and anti-aircraft weaponry. To the exclusion of other ranged weapons. Think about it: it'd be pretty much impossible to sneak a rocket launcher past the authorities, so only legitimately registered ones would be in circulation. Criminals would have to resort to conventional fire arms--so not only would law-abiding citizens be better armed than the criminal element for once, but they'd be forced to use their armament more responsibly--the fact that aiming wrong could blow up your house tends to make you stop and think. I don't see how this could go wrong. ;P
But seriously, I am opposed to heavy gun control for a very personal reason--I have a thing about my protection being dependent upon anyone who isn't under my direct control. Don't know why, just a quirk of mine. (Although I do prefer energy weapons to firearms. Not much recoil, and they're rarely loud enough to require ear protection. I like to slaughter in comfort, and being assailed by loud noises and jolts to the wrist isn't very comfortable.) That and I like finding new ways to destroy things on a variety of scales. (Firearms have something of a problem there--they can do a lot on a personnel basis, but try taking out a factory with one. A vortex rifle, on the other hand...)

Newcomers> Welcome! :D Leave your sanity with us, please; it chafes. :)

Archwolf> Welcome back! :D

Robby> <<As far as the sanity taking responsibility, I gave that to Wilek because like Deuce, he enjoyed it as a pass time. *Shrugs* He's in charge of it now, I dunno... WIlek, can we get a ruling?>> Well, realistically it *should* be the job of the administration since they established the place and I'm the kind of person who shouldn't have power, but no one seems to object, I'm enjoying it far too much to give it up now, and it serves a useful purpose. :) (Technically, I'm simply in charge of the stash of sanity, but that responsibility does tend to extend to its collection, ne?) <<Wilek... Er um, I... Um... SOMEONE will take your sanity and store it in a jar...>> See my note somewhere below about the scuttlers. :)

Gunjack> Welcome back! ^_^ (A lot of people returning lately...) Better take care of this now: All returners please remove any sanity you may have accumulated from the real world and deposit it with me. I'll see to its...disposal. =) <<Actually, the Bugs never really ate anyone. They just chewed 'em up and spit them out, or layed eggs in them. What DO Xenomorphs eat?>> Their victims, although it was never shown. They take 'em back to feeding chambers in their hives, string 'em up in modified coccoons, hang 'em from the ceiling, and take a piece off whenever they get hungry. Newborn aliens get the bits that fall off. See http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/3119/hive.html. :) <<I've never hunted and probably never will, but what's so bad about it? You spend a day or two in the woods, hiking, stalking, you take an animal, pack the meat out, and eat it. people have been doing it since before recorded history, and only after we became "civilised" did it become taboo... And out of curiousity, do you also dislike fishing? There's not much diference between the two...>> Well, we do have much better means of getting food now than hunting or fishing, and both are rather gross pastimes (I for one would not like to prepare an animal for eating--it gets oogy stuff all over one's hands--and I'd really rather not spend more than a few hours away from civilization in the first place...I'm quite the domesticated little lapdog, really :P )... <<Why EXACTLY were you so sure I'd love a song about gay eskimos? O_o>> Who doesn't?

DPH> <<Sanity question? I have a simple solution. Someone installs an automatic machine to suck out sanity when anyone enters.>> Already done. I have a couple droids, scuttlers I think, with sanity suckers attached. :) <<One of these days, I may want to gain more sanity.>> Uh oh...bad news> We haven't worked out exactly how to do that yet...<<Who all in this room considers herself/himself one of the smartest people in the room?>> I consider myself the opposite, if that helps.

Nadia> <> Wow! ^_^ Congratulations!

Entity> <<Ah, but the NRA defends the owning of ALL guns, big and small, semi-automatic and fission-propelled, neomagnetic, nuclear-powered.>> Ehh, fission weapons aren't as stable as neomagnetics (I have some neomagnetic scission crashers that are capable of flattening a structure the size of Castle Wyvern without reaching critical instability indices). That and they tend to produce toxic waste. <<And *is* it so bad to expose youngsters, in a controlled manner, to the eccentricities of the human body?>> Well, the body is kinda gross. And so inefficient. I mean really, any machine that produced as much waste in proportion to the energy it generates as the human body (and most other species', really) would be *demolished* by the EPA. Its autorepair systems are utterly inadequate, its fuel intake is hopelessly outdated, and its replication apparatus is the most obsolete and awkward mechanism I have EVER seen. <hits a button on his commlock> ANTON! I have a job for you I think you'll enjoy...

James Birdsong> <> OMG! :O No one messes with us and lives to tell of it...

Dame Corax> <<**The Dame turns to leave, then realizes that she left huge tire tracks across the CR and a large hole in one wall.** Oops. :)>> Worry not; we have droids to take care of that. :)

SRA Jr.> Good luck getting the new job! <hopes>

Lynati> <<ANYWAY...Did everyone who ever wrote have Brooklyn break from the clan and put through hell?>> I will, if I ever get that series written...well, it's more like his clan is taken away from him...hehehee <<did everyone have Lex end up Cyborged?>> No, but...[Wilek shuts up to avoid spoiling his plans further.]
Wilek
Thursday, October 12, 2000 05:30:33 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

*Valentine saunters in, twirling a Desert Eagle and marking time to Everclear with his off-hand*

Heh. I feel pretty good today, as I spent most of the day reading netcomics and roasting weenies on Counterstrike. That adds up to a good day in my book...

On the downside, I caught the presidential debates earlier tonight. Both guys got in some good hits, but let's face it: Gore is an experienced debater, and he runs circles around Bush. For some reason, this makes people think that Bush is an idiot, as though skill at public speaking were the total sum of intelligence. Bummer for me, as I suck at public speaking.
Anyway, on with the replies. Look out, 'cause there's a load of 'em...

Warpmind><<Seriously, though, whatcha reckon my chances are to get an A-10 gatling legally registered as a self-defense weapon? ;)>> Very low... Unless you could convince the Illuminati to release Godzilla in your area... :)
<<Ah, but I held such a marvellous Sabatti double-barrelled 12-gauge last week; excellent balance, and, of course, the all-time favorite rifle grip, for AOD type firing. (With a slightly reduced firing rate, though...)>> Don'tcha hate it when reality interferes like that? ;) I'm still trying to decide between a exposed-hammer 12 gauge coach gun and the lever action shotgun Arnie used in T2... <<I've seen one, and held one, and they're definitely to my liking - never fired one, though, so I'm not sure about how *that* feels>> You ever shot a gun? The kick is VERY real, and they're a heck of a lot lowder than the seem in the movies. A 12g pump's kick is like being puched in the shoulder, only not painful. Much. <<all, why bother with something that makes a hole? Pick something that makes a DENT instead. ];)>> Heh. Look at it this way; your Sabatti throws two blasts of pellets designed to take down 150-200 lb animals. The Desert Eagle spits SEVEN rounds of a cartridge designed to stop grizzly bears and moose. Yeah, so the recoil breaks your wrist after the fifth round. You'll have a bangup time 'till then!

Mohammed - Yo! Welcome to the crazy pit. Mind the Gators... :)

Mary Flanders><<Right now, I have chapter 1 and 2 posted at a website. Click my name for the link! (my other alias name is baherit)I'm still working on chapter 3.>> Nuts... I've already read the first two (Great stuff, by the way!)... But thanks for the link! I'll stop by as soon as the new one is posted. <<He also says America is getting healthier and healthier every day! That is such a bunch of Bull****!!! We're the most overweight country in the world!!!>> *Valentine sinks lower in his chair and responds with a VERY timid voice* Uh... As ailments go, obesity is a darn benign one... And fat people aside, America IS a pretty healthy place to live... <> *Valentine slides all the way out of his chair and hides behind his desk before continuing in a VERY small voice* Um, I'm not sure this is the best time to mention this, but here goes... If the religions you draw from make exclusivist claims (if they claim to be the only truth), then you ARE making your own religion... And I'm REALLY hoping it discourages hitting nosy punks in the face... <<He says that one of them is really whole milk with a whole lot of water in it. (that's a rather digusting concept. I love skim milk!)>> *Shudders* Uuuhhg.... I can't stand skim... Gimme whole!

DPH><<Woo. I did not say 100% responsibility and it only applies if you did not adequately store your gun.>> Ah. The problem is, what qualifies as adequiate storage? If you keep all your guns in a wallsafe equipped with three seperate locks, you won't be able to get at them in a self-defense situation. Trigger locks have, to some extent, the same problem. Does anyone remember the incident a while back when some government personage went on TV to show how easy it was to remove the lock in case of emergency? The poor man spent about a minute fumbling around before he got it loose. Guns need to be stored safely, but they still have to be accessable. <<Responsiblity for a car being stolen? No way. It is far too easy to hotwire a car.>> Guns are harder to find then cars, but they're a heck of a lot more portable...

Gside><<It's starting to get cold over here, so that means I have an excuse to break out my hat. I love my hat. At least two animals died for it. It also gives me "leet gaming skillz.">> L33t Skillz? You have a Gaming Fez? Sweet! <<And "I don't want a pickle; I just want to ride my motorcycle." Wouldn't mind a tickle though. And I definitely don't want to die.>> Congrats. You have now COMPLETELY lost me.
Oh, and thanks for the Lerher music, and for "Eskimo". Which reminds me... *raises an eyebrow at Warpmind* Why EXACTLY were you so sure I'd love a song about gay eskimos? O_o I've got my eye on you... ;)

Tim P><<Not to rude, but untill someone finds a way to put a nuclear warhead into a bullet, you're arguement doesn't mean anything.>> Be nice... He was just venting! :)

Entity><<My attempt at wryness has backfired. I didn't mean that to be taken literally. I was exaggerating. Not referring to pre-existing forms of weaponry (re: stategic nukes, etc), but to embellishments of what you've labeled "firearms." Sorry.>> Not everyone catches sarcasm, 'mano... *shrugs* By the way, think you can hook me up with some of those "neomagnetic" weapons? they sound fun! ;)
Ah well, On to the heavy stuff!

<<Ah, but the NRA defends the owning of ALL guns, big and small, semi-automatic and fission-propelled, neomagnetic, nuclear-powered.>> I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are certian classes of weapons that should not be widly distributed, and I think the NRA admits this. To my knowledge, they havn't attempted to loosen "destructive device"(?) restrictions on things like grenades, cannon, flamethrowers, etc. I have heard arguments for lowering the transfer penalties on machine guns and silencers, on the basis that the current $200 fee serves no purpose. Lately, they have been fighting over the "assault weapons" bans, as said bans are based on VERY poor law and even worse logic. The criteria used to determine whitch guns were banned were mostly based on EXTERNAL FEATURES, such as bayonet lugs and pistol grips. Translation: "Let's use government to attack a class of things based on their appearence." And we ALL know what a great idea THAT is... :P
Another little detail that the anti-gunners forgot to mention in that debate was that the vast majority of the banned weapons were far less powerful than the average hunting rifle.
<<But assuming it *could* be done, my question to you (and by you, I mean gun-defenders) is: would you want it to be? Or is your stand based on more than just self-defense, but your simple like of guns?>> Good question. Off the top of my head, my anwser would be no. If the gun were completely erased from the world, I fail to see how it would improve a single thing. Assuming they couldn't be reinvented, we would simply go back to using swords and axes. I'd rather stick with shootings than go back to dismemberment, thank you... I'm not set in stone on this; I just fail to see a point.

<<Well, first off, in the quote you cited from me, I was aiming in the opposite direction: trying to say why we shouldn't try drawing the line past birth, period.>> I know, but I disagree that birth is a logical place to draw the line. <<That is a contradiction, looking at it literally. But this issue isn't -- CAN'T -- be about strict answers.>> Why? If we can declare with a fair degree of certianty that a person is dead, should we not logicaly be able to determine whether a "fetus" is alive? <<Its very nature demands a more open outlook. In the example, the circumstances are what uncontradict things: two sets of circumstances, two approaches.>> Circumstances and approaches do not change what IS. If the "fetus" IS life, then it continues to be life regardless of circumstances. If it is not life, then approaches cannot give it what it lacks. Life and death are not open to personal opinion, but are actual medical states. We declare a person dead when certian medical conditions occur. Why should life be any different?
<<An ironic statement, considering a lot of the pro-lifer steam seems to come from showing clips of abortions to people.>> I am not the pro-lifers, nor have I ever shown a clip of an abortion to anyone. :) I've been trying to apply logic to my worldview lately, and one of my *rapidly* growing peaves is when people use emotion to hide logical gaps.
<<I'd tackle the rest you have... but I'm running low on time. My show's about to start. So I'll end here.>> Thanks for the responces!

Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Dallas, TX
Thursday, October 12, 2000 02:52:02 AM
IP: 209-223-253-152.ausa.net

Guandalug> <<nothing that could yield any useable results in time measurement>>: Well, yeah, but it stil annoys me that it takes something that long to load that really isn't that much text. I think the CR loads faster than it.
<>: I wasn't really expecting you to, I just thought it might give you an idea of which pages you really should make sure are generated quickly.
<<Thanx for the hint>>: Not a problem, it just came to me as something one might want to know while browsing the archive. Maybe the average story rating would be nice, but that would take two nested averages, and is not necessarialy accurate as to story quality (as I believe some have claimed).
<<A single fragment of code escapes from his pocket without him noticing it>>:
"select a_name, count(fic_name), avg(fic_rating)
from author
group by a_name"

Lynati> Ethical questions: I say don't feel guilty about it, but can't you get a telephoto?
<<pretending that it is normal for my jeans to be soaked through halway up the thigh>>: You could always not care. And it appears to be a normal part of your project. Or you could start commenting about the unusual weather.

Warpmind> <<Gside, amigo, those songs were GREAT!>>: Thank you, I do my best. And you are partially responsible, giving me the name to look for. But there is always the mystery of what will be up next, and will it live up to my record?
<<The "check-out" line was from "Hotel California">>: !@#$. I have it, too. I had the preposition mixed up. I always thought that it was in. But I have lately gotten hooked on a couple other Eagles pieces. Perhaps I shall put them up in the near future. (Aren't you just dieing with anticipation? No? Oh.)
<<that oughtta give you a better clue of the terrors I've endured>>: Why yes, it does. At least I can use the variation on mine as a pick up line. But that doesn't really rely on any meaning inherent with my name. And I always did revel in them backing the first letter one place in the alphabet (Garside -> Far Side).
<<it's part the "de" bit>>: I thought it wa moderately common. If not localized for you.
<<always fun to look at the expression of the attendants in the Post Orifice when I came to pick up packages>>: Which reminds me. It's quite fun to recieve packages in biological supply boxes, then carry them into the dining hall. One of the perks of being related to a science teacher.

DPH> <<Who all in this room considers herself/himself one of the smartest people in the room?>>: That's a problem if you take into account the theory of multiple intelligences.

SOROW> May you two come to a reconciliation soon.

James Birdsong> <<Lancelot is not Duval, Percival is>>: But we have word straight from the horse's mouth, aka Todd Jensen.

Robby> <<conducted in classical style, which is VERY expensive compose and to do>>: I wouldn't expect it to be any more expensive to compose. But to play, paying for all the musicians, oh yeah, that'll set you back a bit.

SRS Jr.> Good luck with your employment situation.

Nick> <<is there gonna be a 3rd season to the original Gargoyles series?>>: In which medium do you mean? If you're asking about an animated series, we're out of luck so far (validly discounting Goliath Chronicles). If you want a fan created prose work, we got you covered.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:49:36 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Nick> Yes
James Birdsong
Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:31:13 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-61.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Robby> darn logic. Ghost> I'm glad you agree
James Birdsong
Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:30:40 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-61.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Alright...stupid question, and I'm sure it's been answered before...but is there gonna be a 3rd season to the original Gargoyles series? I'm a huge Gargoyles fan, and I am anxious to continue the series.
Nick
Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:10:02 AM
IP: nic-30-c4-029.mw.mediaone.net

***BEGIN RP***
"So, what were you going to tell me?" SJ asked Kari. "You had something important to say?"
"Um....yeah...."
"Well, you have my total undivided attention." SJ smiled.
"Hey, she's gonna tell him her secret!" the demon Nelgault said.
"I can hear, you nimrod, shaddup!" Belzelk grunted.
Warpmind, who had only just arrived, was a bit confused. "What are you talking about? What secret? Who is that on the other side of the plant?"
"Well, if you must know," Angol Moa said. "We are trying to eavesdrop on the young couple next to us. I believe you know them."
Warpmind peered through the leaves of the plant. "That's SJ and Kari! Hey! Hey, Junior! Kari!" He called out to them, and waved his arm.
Belzelk pulled him aside. "What are you doing!!? We're trying to spy on their conversation!"
"What? Oh. Well, why didn't you just say--"
"Hello?" SJ's voice called out. "Is someone there?"
****END RP FOR NOW***

Well, another round of debates occurred tonight, and as usual, I think they served no purpose. Everyone is still pretty much behind who they were before, although I'm hearing on one of the networks about a bunch of crap that the independents are leaning towards the convervatives. Feh. I'd like to meet these people who keep switching from candidate to candidate every other minute.
But I'm glad that Gore cut out all of the exaggerations (I mean "honest mistakes"), and thank God there were no more sighs. But both candidates were incredibly, what is the word? Boring. Please, dear God, let this election end soon.

Okay.....since it's been a while....a whole slew of ENTERTAINMENT NEWS!!!
***drumroll please!***

Spider-Man movie news: Well, director Sam Raimi has finally decided to drop us all some tidbits about the Spider-Man movie. As it stands, it looks as if John Malkovich WILL be the Green Goblin. There were rumors to the contrary recently, but it appears as if that deal is all but done.
Also, Alicia Witt is in the running for the part of Mary Jan Watson (she "tested well" according to Raimi), and actor James Franco is in the running for the role of Norman Osborne.
Oh, and if you are a comic book fan, or even if you aren't, go out and buy a copy of the new Ultimate Spider-Man series from Marvel. It's full of Spidey goodness.

Evil, Bloody Censorship: Well, our worst fears have been somewhat confirmed--the delay in the Batman Beyond movie is because they are the editing the film for content.
Word out is that the movie is being edited because some scenes (one scene in particular dealing with a shooting) are too violent. Paul Dini, in a recent interview, revealed this, but has said that he has seen the "edited" (and how I hate that word) footage and he still likes the film and feels that it works.
I could rant here about how much I hate the spineless jackasses in Hollywood who bend over and gleefully take it up the wazoo everytime some dickhead politician raises an eyebrow in reproach to them, but I won't. All I can hope is that either Warner Bros. releases both versions of the film, or that I can snag a bootleg copy of the original at a comic con.

Ray Park News: Everyone's favorite stuntman-turned-actor, Ray "I was in Star Wars as a cool villain for half a second, but if you blinked you probably missed me" Park is rumored to be associated with two potentially cool films: Marvel's film adaption of "Iron Fist" (which he would be perfect for), and an adaption of the old Green Hornet series. Jet Li has also been associated with the Hornet film, and personally I'd pay many dollars on multiple occasions to see those two paired up in ANY film.

Very Good Omens: Terry Gilliam, a favorite director of mine because I think he must drop a tab of acid before he turns on the camera, has confirmed that his next film will be a film version of the awesome apocalyptic comedy, "Good Omens". The book was written by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman about a decade ago, but since I've never read a thing by Pratchett and I think Gaiman is a literary god, I'll give Neil all the credit. ;)
Gilliam has also said he's supposed to make a Watchman movie, but I'll believe it when I see it. I honestly don't know how he could adapt such a brilliant work, anyway. The comic was incredible, but for some reason I don't think it would translate well.

From the "It's Time to check for Head Wounds" Department: David Duchovny has announced that he was offered a nice role in Star Wars 3 by George Lucas, but--get this--he turned George down.
Of course. Cause no one wants to be in a successful movie.
Ladies and gentelmen, witness the slow destruction of Duchovny's career. First he leaves the X-Files to work on that scary movie career of his, and when he actually gets offered a GOOD role--one in a movie that is gauranteed to be a blockbuster even if it sucks--he turns it down. This guy needs an anal probe in the worst way.

***WARNING: BUFFY SPOILERS***
I don't have a review for this week, although I did enjoy the last episode. Xander was at his best (Snoopy Dance!), and I was stunned at the end of the show by Riley's revelation: "She doesn't love me". It was shocking. He was so....sad, and yet he accepted his fate as the Slayer's boy toy because he loved her and it was better to be with her than without her. Some real depth given to the boy scout! Actually made me feel sympathy for him!

But here's some RUMORS about what's going to happen this season. And it ain't pretty.
Riley, according to rumor, will die half way through the season, reportedly due to complicatons to all those funny treatments he got from the Iniative. They mess up his weak heart, and he dies--reportedly, thanks in part to Spike, who may have the opportunity to save him but doesn't.
And things don't look good for Tara. Word is she will be gone about 2/3rds into the season. We will finally find out her secret, if sources can be believed, about episode 6, and it's possible that it may involve Dawn.
And speaking of Dawn, she may actually not be human. The thought is that she is some sort of force or power that can be used for good or evil, but was sent to Buffy so that the Slayer could protect her.

***END RUMORS****

Babylon 5: They SOOOO ripped off Bab 5 when they made DS9. It's just painfully obvious. And to all Trek fans who don't believe it--believe it. The real proof--JMS pitched the idea for Bab 5 years before it ever aired, and one of the companies he pitched it to was Paramount. They declined, only to put out DS9 shortly after JMS' came knocking on their door....
But to Robby and Green Baron, and any other new Babylon 5 newbies: if you think season one is good so far, just wait, because the show gets better in the later seasons. It's the best sci-fi show ever done, IMO, but that's just me.

Batman: I love the old sixties series. It's so ridiculously campy, but that's what makes it fun. From Robin's endless "Holy blankety blank Batman!" to the supreme deus ex machina that is the utility belt, it's just a sinful pleasure to watch.
Of course, then Joel Schumacher had to try and make the Batman movies as campy as the series, and we were left with some sort of bizarre, frightening neon-colored hell. Damn you Schumacher! Damn you to hell!!!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:58:55 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Tim: <<<Those require the use of an strategic bomber or ballistic missle.>>>

My attempt at wryness has backfired. I didn't mean that to be taken literally. I was exaggerating. Not referring to pre-existing forms of weaponry (re: stategic nukes, etc), but to embellishments of what you've labeled "firearms." Sorry.

Robby> I'm thrilled to hear you're enjoying B5! It's such a great show. I must've rewatched the whole run twice or more while it was going on TNT. I don't know where the series is at on SciFi, but I know it just started running, so it can't be far. If you're already this impressed with it, just wait.

My one singly piece of advise for watching B5 is to abandon all conventions. Lose all the conditioning that Star Trek's given you. Approach it with a fresh perspective. Either way will work, though. If you don't approach it with a fresh, open p.o.v. the show will simply jolt you into it. That's how I was in the second season. I don't know how much you already know about what happens, Robby, but in the second season... major changes happen to the status quo, as far as the status of the main races. In Star Trek, there was never any changes (till DS9 began imitating), so my reaction was pure, utter shock.

Anyway... Bab 5 good. :)

Debates> Anyone watch tonight's? I thought it was yesterday. I'll be damned. I tried going into it with a level mind, pretending I knew nothing of either candidate. In the first half, I was beginning to thaw to Bush. By the end I was realigned with Gore, though. That final "zinger" to Bush was cringe-worthy, though. Very witless. But Bush put him in an awkward situation by seizing on a compliment to insult him.
Entity
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:59:18 PM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

Hmm ... let's try this piccy tonight ...

Stephen: Good luck with your job hunt, friend. :)

Newbies: Welcome, folks ... wow, even all the way over in Riyadh! :)

SOROW: I know it's late ... but it really sucks when you become the target of someone's ire solely because of stress. But you'll make it through, friend, just keep looking up. **hugs**

Political discussions ... errrh ... I learned quite a while ago that my politics make absolutely no sense to anyone save myself, so I'm gonna sit this 'un out. :)

Milady Dame Corax: I certainly don't mind. And in fact, keep 'em coming. They're great ... the car's great, and so's its driver. :)

Ah well, that's all for me tonight ... a bit beat, and I'll be more so for the next ... oh, nine or so days until my next day off. **sigh** Ah well, keeps the money comin'.

**drags himself out of the room**
Coyote the Bando - [tazcaddy@vivavelocity.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:55:14 PM
IP: 216.28.101.154

*Lynati enters,curtains rustling closed behind her.*

Heyla!

Nadia> Way to go!
Spacebabie> Ithink the pink helmut was funny, period. Wesley in leather-was that a good thud or a bad one?
(i dunno, i think it makes him look kinda sexy...)
DPH> Not me! (cheerfully)
Dreamie> a belated "happy birthday"...and a very merry unbirthday to you and (and you and you and you...)
Warpmind> somethings (like the lancelot/Illuminati bit) seem to just be universal fact. ..Like in my fanfics (Lynati turns reddish)
-oh, wait,I should probly mention that I actually started creating gargoyles fanfics in '95...but didn't find this site (or any other ) until right before this summer.
...Well, okay, it just never occured to me that their would be others as obsessed as I with the show, so I never..bothered to look.(turns an interesting shade of purple.)
ANYWAY...Did everyone who ever wrote have Brooklyn break from the clan and put through hell? ...and end up with a mate from another time (or dimension...funny thing-while Niassa wasn't a gargoyle,she did have green skin and black hair. go figure)
and did everyone have Lex end up Cyborged?
The point is, some things are just universal truths. Almost everyone who ponders the question will come up with anwsers that, while not identical, will have feakishly odd similarities...
(Or maybe its just me...)
Ummm....

*Lynati paranoidly starts imagining everyone staring at her, drops to all fours and flees from the room*
Lynati
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:54:24 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

First off, "Thanks." to all the people who welcomed me to the comment room. Second I have to agree with Mr. Birdsong, that despite what Arthur said, Duval is not necessarily Lancelot. (Gee I hope not anyway. Percival seems to be a much better choice.)

Arthur is under the effects of drugs, he could be seeing ANYONE as whomever he wishes to fulfill his needs of the moment. Even giving Duval the appearance of Lancelot is insufficient to make the charge stick. Duval has had up to 13 centuries to change his appearance. No matter who he is, if he feels Arthur will respond best to Lancelot, he has had plenty of time to adjust his appearance accordingly with either magic or advanced technology. The Illuminati has plenty of both and misdirection is a primary method of operation for them. I feel it is a distinct possibility.

Of course, once part II comes out, I'll probably look like an idiot. Sigh.

Ghost - [gitm@amaxx.net]
Columbus, Ohio, USA
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:41:41 PM
IP: 208.46.234.165

Eek, meant to post more than that. Acidentally hit the submit button... ANyway...

Welcome newbies! Wilek... Er um, I... Um... SOMEONE will take your sanity and store it in a jar...

Old Batman show- I *LOVE* it. Yes its campy, and yes, some of the plot points are *REALLY* bad, but that's the whole fun of it! I love the penguin flunkies with the shirts labeled "Henchmen". And Chief O'Hara is a great character! (Remember folks, in the sixties, Batman WAS like this in the comic. He wore a rainbow costume to take attention away from Robin for cryin' out loud!)

Personally, I don't take it seriously and enjoy the ride.

DPH- Is this the first time you've *EVER* seen the old Batman series? Like I said, Batman was *NOT* dumbed down. That's how he was in the 60's. Its not fair to compare him to the Sherlock Holmes type he was in the fifties, or the super dark and gritty guy he was for most of the 80's and 90's. In the 60's, he was a groovy crime fighter who fought zany villains and often found really wierd ways out of things. As far as the audience... The show *WAS* made for kids. ANd its also great for nostalgia freaks like the people who still watch old Trek episodes regardless of how lame some elements of it may be. ANd also the people who understand its just a fun ride and can appreciate it as such. (And its sci-fi because it contains many elements that could not happen in real life.)

James- But if Catwoman *HAD* injected Batman with the serum WITHOUT the audience seeing him take an antidote, it would have been a cop out at the end when he revealed why he was fine. And how was Catwoman to know he had a universal antidote to *everything*? As is, I give the writers credit for actually setting up the Deus Ex Machina, unlike what they usually did...

Also... I've been watching Babylon 5. (Yes, this is my first time through. All those who knew about it before, feel pity on me for missing it before...) And I'm feeling very ill from watching it. Not because of the show itself, but because by the end of the very first episode I saw, I could see the freakin' *SPECIES* Star Tre: DS9 ripped off, let alone situations. The whole Kardasian/Bajoran thing... B5 had it first. The multiple governments trying to get along? Being handled WAY better on B5. The attitude and outlook of the doctor? Already I like the one on Babylon 5 better than I liked Bashir after 7 years. I'll give Trek credit for Sisko, since they needed *something* different than Kirk or Picard, and Sisko was about all they had left. And similarities to the captain on B5 must be a coincidence... The comic relief on B5 is GENUINE, rather than being the Ferengi. (Granted, I loved Odo and Quark.) And the special effects, geez, B5 seems to have Trek beaten in ever respect there. Not all the aliens look like humans. (A lot of them do, but that's acceptable because of budget and it is not all.) And from what I understand, DS9 starts ripping off the entire series arc after a while... But the worst part of all... The last three episodes straight have all been EXCELLENT pieces on par with Trek's very best, the difference being... They're just normal episodes rather than season finales or something, and basic continuity isn't being reset every episode. I'm really starting to be upset I missed out on B5 for DS9 all these years... Oh well... I can enjoy it now as one great big huge arc... (In widescreen no less! How are they pulling that off? Was the show actually filmed in widescreen?)

And I already know as a fact I'm going to feel the same way whenever Buffy finally gets around the being syndicated and I start watching it... (At this point I'm just waiting for syndication so I can get in from the start and get through everything day by day instead of week by week like I did with various other series...)

Doug and Kit- Pity about you never seeing Taxi. It was a great series with what became an all star cast. Judd Hirsch, Danny Devito, Christopher Lyoyyd, Merilu Henner, Tony Danza, ANdy Kaufman, and a couple others. Pity Nick-at-Night doesn't show it anymore. Or if it does, it airs it at like three in the morning...

**RP HERE**

Black Tiger is already zooming along on his driving test, permorming with *startling* skill and efficency and getting perfect marks on the driving portion of his test.
"I must succeed... I must succeed..." he kept muttering under his helmet. His special celebrity guest instructor (to be revealed at the end of this RP) stared at him, but figured it was all right since he was driving so well.

Jim however, had just gotten to his test car and was about to meet his instructor.
"Hello Mr.... Noying is it? My name is..." The instructor froze as he recognized Jim. Jim's eyes widened when he saw the instructor.
"LONNY? Robby's evil twin? I thought you were dead!"
"I got better."
"Didn't you say that LAST time before you got killed again?"
"Yes well... With all the characters coming and going through HFIL in the RP lately, I figured I could get out of there and no one would notice. But not wanting to die in painful agony once again, I've given up "Evil" as a career choice and have instead become a driving instructor. So... Shall we proceed with the test?"
"Uh, sure..." Jim shrugged as he got into the car. He looked at Lonny. "You know, as part of an evil scheme to take over the world you could pass all the really bad drivers and flunk all the good ones, not to mention you could add wierd cybernetic implants to those that do pass and claim its a new part of the ID proccess, thus filling the streets with danger, panic and confusion. In the mass chaos that followed, you could easily take over..."
Lonny frowned. "I've given up the evil buisnesss durnit! Besides, that plan for taking over the world is ludicrous. What do you think this is, an episode of Pinky and the Brain?"
At about that moment, Black Tiger came around, effectively lapping Jim, as the driving instructor, a small white lab mouse yelled out "YEEEEEES!"
Robby
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:40:39 PM
IP: spider-wq043.proxy.aol.com

Greetings all. Just wanted to give you all a update on my status down here...

Well, I have been doing everything short of going to Unemployment and begging on my hands and knees, but things might be looking up. I recently attended an open house to seek employment with Radio Shack, but they won't tell me if I am accepted or not until later this week. While that may or may not be a bad thing I have also applied to work with a temp agency. They have me scheduled to attend an orientation with a incoming call center for some company here in Tampa. The start date is this monday, if I pass muster... the only hitch is they demand I wear long-sleeve shirt and tie and slacks... items which I've been negligent to add to my wardrobe as of late. <blush> But they tell me as long as I dress as professional as possible, they can work with me until I earn enough to get the proper attire.

So, for the time being things are looking up, but it will be some time before I'll be truly out of the woods. Wish me luck and keep me in your prayers/good thoughts people.

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scifiangargoyle]
Tampa, Flordia, USA
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:05:33 PM
IP: 24129160hfc185.tampabay.rr.com

Gside- ALL the music in Evangelion was original. In fact, even some of the themes, like Misato's or EVA ONE going berserk that SOUND like the theme heard before, are actually different from one another in miniscule way. Evangelion almost *never* repeated a piece of music exactly. (And the "Dance Like You Want to Win piece was conducted in classical style, which is VERY expensive compose and to do) Add in the fact they had THIRTEEN version of "Fly Me To the Moon", and almost NEVER reused footage (for the EVA launch sequences and such) the show went WAY over budget. (They reused footage in flashbacks and such. ANd the budget is why one episode was a third recap.) WHich is why the last two episodes have a lot of still frames, minimal animation, and actually filmed storyboards. The budget ran out and they had to use what little surplus was left from the previous episodes to make the last two. This is also why there was not a second season and the last two episodes (and movie) tried to cram in a LOT of stuff... It was supposed to be a two season series...
Robby
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:02:52 PM
IP: spider-wq043.proxy.aol.com

**The residents of the CR glance around as they hear a rumbling sound. The noise gets louder and louder, closer and closer...until a blue drag racing car smashes through one of the walls, thundering through the CR until it slams into Mr. Disconnect, knocking him literally into next week through a slight quirk in the space-time continuum.

The car's engine shuts off, and Dame C. steps out of the driver's seat.**

Hello, everyone! And that, Mr. Disconnect, is for messing up my computer *and* shutting down the entire University server for all of yesterday! :)

Wow. I never expected the room to become so seriously issue-oriented. Must be the result of an election year. I have some opinions on the topics currently being discussed, but I'm not gonna bother everyone with 'em. :)

Nadia> Congratulations! **offers her a traditional 'Victory Pepsi'** :)

Batman> Oh, come on now, people! This is an AWESOME series (yes, the sixties one!) just because it's so corny!!! It's not meant to be serious, so sit back and have a few laughs at it! And yes, I do agree it's very cartoonish...makes it all the more fun in my mind. (BTW, Batgirl was always my favorite. She rules.) :) I thank the powers that be for putting this series back on TV... :)

Coyote> Hey, congrats on being the first in the CR this week! Awesome! I hope you don't mind...I'm gonna try to send you another picture as soon as I leave here... :)

Well, so long for now, everyone! **The Dame turns to leave, then realizes that she left huge tire tracks across the CR and a large hole in one wall.** Oops. :)

**The Dame jumps in the car, throws it in reverse, and slowly backs out of the CR through the new hole in the wall.**
Dame Corax
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 09:35:55 PM
IP: reslife216-176.rescomp.arizona.edu

Warpmind de InsanE> I had to retire since the UCB keep chasing me and killing my friends, family, and pets. I'm serious. Can you stop them for me? (eeks and hides) Archwolf> Lancelot is not Duval, Percival is. DPH> Did you see last week's episodes? Sheesh I'm telling ya (shakes head) Catwoman should have just injected Batman with the caterphernine and made him evil without all this talk. She let him take the antidote seconds before right in front of her 0_0
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 08:46:27 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-61.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Entity: <<Ah, but the NRA defends the owning of ALL guns, big and small, semi-automatic and fission-propelled, neomagnetic, nuclear-powered.>>

Oh, Not this arguement again.

*sigh* Okay, lets clear something up: Handguns, shotguns, rifles and other such weapons are FIREARMS. Those are what the NRA is defending. Nuclear weapons and other sorts of weapons of mass destuction are STRATEGIC WEAPONS. Those require the use of an strategic bomber or ballistic missle. And not alot of people keep B-52's in their garage.

The closest thing that comes close to what you're probably thinking of was a cannon called "Atomic Annie" that fired a small nuclear warhead. The Army tested it during the Cold War and decide not to employ the weapon because the artillery crew was always in the blast radius when the warhead detonated. Hence, why Billy-Bob does not keep nuclear weapons in his personal stockpile. And artillery is not considered to be a "small arm," Therefore does not apply to the NRA's stance.

Not to rude, but untill someone finds a way to put a nuclear warhead into a bullet, you're arguement doesn't mean anything.
Tim P.
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 08:24:37 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

Warpmind>Oh shush you. So I didn't know how to spell the word, picky picky! ;P Thanks for the advice though. hehehehehehe...>:)
Mary Flanders
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 07:23:01 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

I think I know why my mom is being so mean to me. It's not that she's purposely being mean, but just letting her frustration out in really bad ways. I just found out that my parents have to pay for my brother's plane ticket, so my mom is working double time at the hospital. Those are fourteen hour shifts. And she's trying to come up with the money to pay for my senior pictures too. So the problem is that my dad won't get a second job and she's having to work the most to come up with the money. She's being mean to me cause she's tired and grumpy and pissed. I guess it made her feel better to yell at me at that game. Whatever.
SOROW
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 07:02:22 PM
IP: a020-0434.dll2.splitrock.net

*BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS *

BUFFY: I've got to admit that this one really surprised me - I had assumed, alongside the characters, that the "new Xander" was an evil duplicate created by Toth (or even Toth himself in disguise - the scene with Anya where she's brooding over the fact that she's now mortal and will someday age and die particularly helped convince me of that), so when it turned out that it was really Xander's more confident and effective side (and that that "hypno-talisman" was just a flattened nickel), it quite took me by surprise. But I thought that it did some good exploring of the guy. (Incidentally, I LOL at the part where Xander got knocked in the face by the port-a-potty door, and at Spike complaining to Toth for destroying the objects that he was scavenging in the garbage).

ANGEL: So now Darla's working on seducing Angel through his dreams - it'll be interesting to see where this one leads. One thing that really stood out to me about this episode is the way that Cordelia's really improving. She still has her "catty" moments, but she displayed quick, decisive, and effective action in saving the life of the woman at the party, and correctly figured out (in the end) what Gunn's real danger was. Definitely come a long way since her introduction in Season One of "Buffy".

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 06:44:32 PM
IP: 216.87.46.29.dialup-stl.primary.net

Rule 1: I can only be referred to by 3 different names: Daniel, DPH, or PHD.

Welcome all newcomers to the assly . . . CR room.

**BATMAN on SciFi**
Sheesh. The producers might as well animated the series, the way it is so dumbed down. I mean, sheesh, the guy below Commissioner Gordon seems totally incompotent. Using a batphone seems a little risky for finding out who Batman is unless Bruce Wayne happens to own the telephone company and keep the records sealed. BTW, in this series, what major businesses does Bruce Wayne NOT have a connection to? I can not quite swallow the batmobile without a roof because what villain is not quite smart enough to figure out to plant a bomb in the batmobile and keep Batman and Robin distracted long enough for it to go off. I know this was made in the 60s? but, sheesh, what kind of audience besides kids would want to watch this show? How kind this even be considered Science Fiction when the villains do not even have a clue about how to solve the bat problem quickly?
**END BATMAN on SciFi**

I guess my logical side is rearing its head again.

Abortion question - My only answer to the question of the soul (since I am pro-life), is to acknowledge that there might be other species of life out there that have souls. On the other hand, I may have to re-consider the possibility of life beginning at the moment of conception when I consider the possibiliies of cloning. I mean, if does 8 cloned human cells (outside of a human body) have a soul?

**RP related**
Who all in this room considers herself/himself one of the smartest people in the room?
**END RP related**

**BFS RP continues**
DPH says, "Well, I was considering the valley because it would shield us from being seen in the outside world. But if being on a mountain would offer us a greater advantage, I will do it. It's been a long day and let's rest and in the morning, we will leave to head for the mountain. I hope Jason joins us by the morning."
**END BFTS RP for now**

Which mountain is DPH going to head to? Will Jason join up with DPH? Tune in next time for the answers to these questions and many other questions.
DPH - [<--click here to vote]
AR, USA
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 06:29:52 PM
IP: max1-53.cwy.cei.net

*Archwolf drags hi in his usual fencing gear. Warfrost trots in and finds a comfy spot against a wall*

Thanks to all who welcomed me back.

*Pendragon Spoilers*
I had to read it twice to make sure but:
Lancelot, the head of the Illuminati...I LOVE IT!
*End*

Winterwolf Nah I don't eat evles anymore. A cute little cat got her claws into the Elf. He won't be joining us anytime soon, I'm thinkin.

Warpmind> What, no duel!? piffle. *resheaths rapier.*

*Looks around and sees another newbie, then rushes over to use the Sanity Sucker* Oh, wait...with a name like King Narf, I'm not likely to get anything. Well, welcome to the looney bin. Do stay. Just don't feed the dire wolf

Nadia> Gratz!

well, life calls.
Shade and Sweet Water.
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 06:20:44 PM
IP: viking202-88.dhcp.csuohio.edu

***Kyryn jumps in.***

Question for those on the pro-life/pro-choice debate: How do you define an infant with anecephaly? For those who don't know what this is here is a definition: ANENCEPHALY is a neural tube defect that occurs when the cephalic (head) end of the neural tube fails to close, usually between the 23rd and 26th days of pregnancy, resulting in the absence of a major portion of the brain, skull, and scalp. Infants with this disorder are born without a forebrain�the largest part of the brain consisting mainly of the cerebrum, which is responsible for thinking and coordination. The remaining brain tissue is often exposed�not covered by bone or skin.
Infants born with anencephaly are usually blind, deaf, unconscious, and unable to feel pain. Although some individuals with anencephaly may be born with a rudimentary brainstem, the lack of a functioning cerebrum permanently rules out the possibility of ever gaining consciousness. Reflex actions such as respiration (breathing) and responses to sound or touch may occur.

The disorder is one of the most common disorders of the fetal central nervous system. Approximately 1,000 to 2,000 American babies are born with anencephaly each year. The disorder affects females more often than males.

The cause of anencephaly is unknown. Although it is believed that the mother�s diet and vitamin intake may play a role, scientists agree that many other factors are also involved.

There is no cure or standard treatment for anencephaly and the prognosis for affected individuals is poor. Most infants do not survive infancy. If the infant is not stillborn, then he or she will usually die within a few hours or days after birth. Anencephaly can often be diagnosed before birth through an ultrasound examination.

Recent studies have shown that the addition of folic acid to the diet of women of child-bearing age may significantly reduce the incidence of neural tube defects. Therefore it is recommended that all women of child-bearing age consume 0.4 mg of folic acid daily.

This is purely an academic question and I'm curious since I haven't yet decided where I would stand regarding a child like this. As an additional note, I've found info in the past that mentions that anecephalic infants never have any of the higher brainwave functions, even while the fetus is still in the womb.

If we define life from conception and define that a soul exists at conception, but there is never any higher function, then should we agree that a soul is not necessarily just the province of human beings (i.e., beings with higher order brain functions)? If we say that abortion can be performed up until the higher brain functions show, then can we abort a child like this up until birth? This type of case makes me think about where you can draw lines. There are always exceptions to the rules. Do you make exceptions or do you redefine the rules?

***Kyryn takes off and smacks into a wall as she is distracted by thinking about what she has posted. She adjusts her course and then continues out the door.***

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 05:16:28 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

Stoppin' by to respond to some more comments.

Tim> <<<Sarcasm noted, but do you seriously think that all gun enthusiest are beer swelling rednecks who would gun down some poor animal just for the hell of it?>>>

Well, no... but there is a trend. Obviously, all generalizations are false. But stereotypes came from somewhere.

<<<Me? I'd much rather sleep comfortly in bed at night with a Colt 1911 .45 under my pillow. Sucker could crack an engine block!>>>

I'd be afraid to sleep with a gun under my pillow. :)

SJ> <<<Not to place labels, but maybe you and I could be the token liberal and conservative of the CR, respectively.>>>

Heheh, cool. I am increasingly amazed by the number of conservatives in here...

Gunjack Valentine> <<<Finally! Someone who advances views totally oppoosed to mine!>>>

Woohoo! :)

<<<The arguement isn't over machine guns and grenade launchers, it's over owning ANY guns AT ALL.>>>

Ah, but the NRA defends the owning of ALL guns, big and small, semi-automatic and fission-propelled, neomagnetic, nuclear-powered.

<<<What it comes down to is that the anti-gun groups don't want ANY guns left in America. Apparently you agree. Why?>>>

I don't. Although I don't really think such a state of existing would be bad in any way. Obviously, there's the theory vs. practice argument: sure, be rid of all guns, then what do you do when a thawed Wesley Snipes shows up and starts shooting up the place?

But assuming it *could* be done, my question to you (and by you, I mean gun-defenders) is: would you want it to be? Or is your stand based on more than just self-defense, but your simple like of guns?

<<<And of course, the "censor" is obviously an uncultured philistine who wants to impose his or her religion on the brilliant "artist".>>>

I'm at a toss-up on this one. On one hand, I was ready to jump right in and agree with you. But on the other... when you see it in an art context, it becomes something different than Playboy. And *is* it so bad to expose youngsters, in a controlled manner, to the eccentricities of the human body? Maybe it's better than them seeing it in a Playboy first, like I did.

<<<Yet if the accident had not occured, the child would still be a "fetus" when it was aborted at the end of the week. This is a logical fallacy.>>>

Well, first off, in the quote you cited from me, I was aiming in the opposite direction: trying to say why we shouldn't try drawing the line past birth, period.

But as for your example, the fetus would be a person, yes. And if the baby hadn't been born ahead of time, it would still be a fetus, yes. That is a contradiction, looking at it literally. But this issue isn't -- CAN'T -- be about strict answers. Its very nature demands a more open outlook. In the example, the circumstances are what uncontradict things: two sets of circumstances, two approaches.

<<<The awnser is that it "looks bad", but why should appearences and superstitions get in the way of medical fact and the legal process of the greatest country in the world?>>>

An ironic statement, considering a lot of the pro-lifer steam seems to come from showing clips of abortions to people.

I'd tackle the rest you have... but I'm running low on time. My show's about to start. So I'll end here.
Entity
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 04:52:05 PM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

*Warpmind enters, grinning.*

Congrats, Nadia. :)

James Birdsong: How on Earth did you get the idea I was *against* the Illuminati? *Wipes an invisible grain of dust off the puramid-shaped lapel pin.* Quite the contrary, I'm *pro*-Illuminati. And, as I suspect you might agree upon here, there are *degrees* of insanity; the light end of megalomania being the location of Duval/Lancelot; he had the means, and seized the opportunity, but he probably wouldn't bother had it been more of a stretch in the first place... capisce? And, to further argue my point, Duval said in the current episode that, while he could do everything well enough on his own, if others could do it for him, he wouldn't object. I deem him not precisely *sane*, but less insane than most in such positions of power... dig? :) Oh, and while I'm at it, where's *your* membership pin? ;)

Gotta run.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 04:33:28 PM
IP: mp-217-212-26.daxnet.no

Warpmind the InzanE> Hector Duval is not a meglomaniac. He is very sane unlike you. All> Why does everyone but me hate the Illuminati? They keep order in the world. Observation> The Director might be Duval's archrival but for the Illumanati as a whole, the enemy would have to be the Upright Citizen's Brigade. The UCB seek to have chaos reign. (shudder) I'd prefer to keep the status quo thank you very much
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 04:00:25 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-61.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Catnip bubbles are fun

OMG Sailormoon...they made Fisheye into a woman!

**************Spoilers for Pendragon,Buffy, and Angel*******

Pendragon

Wow Very good , very suspensvil the chase involving Mary,Merlin and Arthur was a nail biter, sory to see him arrested, glad he "Sort of" got resuced. amazing ending

Buffy:Two Xanders Yes I'm happy Nice to see Anya's place. good Dawn and Spike moments((BTW its Michelle Trachtenberg's birhtday)). Double Xander moments...well Xander divided into two.....THE SNOOPY DANCE. he did the Snoopy Dance!
Angel:Good developmetns on cordelia and Gunn. Creep Darla in his dreams. The pink helmut scene was hilarious. Wesley in Leather...THUD
End review Spoilers
Spacebabie
Orlando, FL, U.S.A
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 02:37:31 PM
IP: user-37kapg3.dialup.mindspring.com

wow... I just got a letter in the mail from a company that wants to publish my poetry... I am in shock...
woah...
I have to go lie down...
Nadia K
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 02:21:06 PM
IP: dynrez216-32194.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

*Warpmind enters, humming along to Tom Lehrer.*
Gside, amigo, those songs were GREAT! And the freaky bit is, I agree with him, where that march of his is concerned. ]:)

*SPOILERS AND DUVAL THEORY*
Okay, here's what I imagine just *might* have happened... let's take a trip back to the Battle of Camlann (I think it was - or was it Salisbury Down?), the big clash between Arthur and Mordred, where Arthur finally fell... Percival is there, dying, and Lancelot, who has just received word of the impending conflagration, arrives on the scene to find his liege vanished (just taken to Avalon), and one of his comrades-in-arms, Percival, dying from a fatal wound. Now, note that this theory means Percival did *not* actually drink from the Grail, but does guard it personally. With his dying breath, Percival asks Lancelot to guard the Grail for as long as he lives, and Lancelot accepts the task. Years later, when Lancelot begins to notice he isn't getting any younger, the temptation to drink from the Grail is too great to resist, and, as a freaky side-effect, the Grail not only bestows immortality upon him, but also somewhat heightened mental abilities... and turns him into something of a megalomaniac. He founds the Illuminati Society originally to guard the Grail, but after a short while, he changes his mind, and decides he'd rather like to use the organization to rule the world...
Not altogether too improbable, given that there's actually damn few things we know for sure about the Grail's powers...
Incidentally, I had *no* idea whatsoever that the TGS version of the Illuminati leader was Lancelot, when I pegged him as the Grandmaster in my series... just one of those things that will never be explained, I guess... :|
*SPOILERS/THEORY OVER*

Valentine: Actually, I reckon a Desert Eagle could be nice for showing off, but frankly, a Sabatti double-barreled 12-gauge seems like a sweet little thing (I've seen one, and held one, and they're definitely to my liking - never fired one, though, so I'm not sure about how *that* feels), and with the rifle grip... well... I'm *sure* I could get the barrels sawed off... I ain't that good... ];) After all, why bother with something that makes a hole? Pick something that makes a DENT instead. ];)

Nadia: Two hours of vampire slaying and demon hunting? Umm... *please* tell me you're referring to a game there. ;)

Mary: Well, as a person who, like you, is somewhat in a religious gray zone (I'm technically a Lutheran Christian, but I'm personally leaning a *lot* toward pantheism... and I am studying magic on a hobby-basis, which according to the Bible is strictly no-no...), I'd say this Mr. White ought to take a *real* good look at various religious writings... looking up Celtic mythology would be a great start; as far as I understand, Pagan religions are greatly similar to Celtic faith, which had a *wide* range of deities... oh, and a slightly sadistic suggestion: next time he says you're just "making up" a religion of your own, ask him to formulate *his* religious beliefs, and have some fun picking *them* apart... ];) (By the way, isn't it "condescending" rather than "condisending"?)

Lynati: If you hang out here for a while, you'll learn what we have... the TGS staff gives handouts at *their* leisure, independent on us poor addicts, who grovel at their feet. ;)

Gside: The "check-out" line was from "Hotel California", by Eagles. Great song, really. (And filked in one issue of Avalon Mists - damn, I gotta find thta printout; it was *good*.) As for variations on my family name... true, jokes on it are a *lot* easier in Norwegian... but, to give you an idea, "Blom" translates directly to "Blossom" or "Flower" and "kvist" translates to "twig" or "stick"... that oughtta give you a better clue of the terrors I've endured... and regarding a change of name... it's part the "de" bit, and part that capital E at the end that I sincerely doubt will go over well... though, I *did* have a mailbox rented under both my RL name and my handle... always fun to look at the expression of the attendants in the Post Orifice when I came to pick up packages that were too big for the box itself... ]:)

Lynati: My answers to your questions are as follow:
A: No, not bad, just a little embarassed.
B: No, I don't think so. (But that's just me...)
C: That'd make a difference - you've got a damn good excuse, and someone else to blame - "He gave me no other options; I *have* to get this done today."
D: Probably. ;)
E: Withoubt a shred of doubt - we learn from anything; the question is: do we take the learning to heart? ;)

Well, that's it... ciao, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 01:31:53 PM
IP: mp-217-198-254.daxnet.no

Hi everybody!

I sadly have not had time to read this last week's archive (never, ever watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre and then go for a walk at 3 AM on a trail in the woods, it's way too spooky.), and in thirty minutes, I have a midterm I was up literally all night studying for, but I had a great piece of news -- it's official, I will be at the debate tonight!!! How cool is that! I cannot wait. Anyway, I just wanted to share with everyone. :) Watch my awesome college host a debate (please -- they have kept such security it's unreal, the only way it's worth it is if people watch!)! So, sorry so random and non-relevant, I love you all! Take care

Hugs to all who need them, and heck, even those who don't! :)
Later!
*arianna disappears*
Lady Arianna of Annwn - [lady_arianna@hotmail.com]
Winston Salem, NC, USA
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 01:28:52 PM
IP: hurlmk0.computer.wfu.edu

*Lynati stumbles in, yawninig, and trips over curtain folds*

I have for you, this morning, several questions of an ethical and (reasonable) nature up for debate.
A. It is reasonable for someone to feel bad, if upon exiting a public fountain and then noticing a "wading and swimming prohibited" sign to feel guilty over this?
B. If nobody noticed/complained at this illegality, is it ethically okay, now aware of the 'law', to do said illegality again?
C. What if it is neccessary to return and repeatedly "wade" in this fountain in order to complete,oh, say, one's photography homework?
and then:
D. Does the repetition of this action (and its corresponding guilty feelings) have anything to do with a need to prove that (the student) is a hard working person, not a slacker; and does this need come extend from the fact that said art student just failed a philosophy test and does not wish to fail foundations photo?
E Can we learn anything from the anwsers to the questions?
...have we already learned something?

The only questions I have anwsers to are D."Yes."and E."Yes," I have learned that when I go back to reshoot the next three different lighting conditions I should where a skirt, because pants can only roll so high and my current acting skills may not be on par with having to walk through kansas city another three times while pretending that it is normal for my jeans to be soaked through halway up the thigh. ("I'm setting a trend". ??)
I have also learned that i should concentrate harder on reading for comprehension and highlight the dates of my midterms on a calendar. :(
...if I don't post anything tonight, it's because I'm in my room reading "the return of Martin Guerre". Wish me luck.

*Lynati stumbles away, mumbling "I can't beleive I opted for writing on the computer over a nap...*
Lynati
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:53:30 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Gisde> ah. Buffy the Vampire Slayer Spoilers> Wha? 2 Zanders . How frightening
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:05:14 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

Robby- could you em me? I have a question to ask you.

Thanks! ^_^
jenna - [theamazingjenna@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 09:55:36 AM
IP: 192.245.189.3

*** Spoiler Warning ***

Todd Jensen> I had actually figured that out, due to some other things I had picked up here and there. I'm not really complaining. My comment was mostly a subtle way to show off my encyclopedic (Encarta, not Britanica) knowledge of Arthurian Literature.

I can even come up with an entirely plausable backstory that would lead to Lancelot as the head of the Illuminati. Percival, as the leader of the Grail Knights, can't go out into the world as much as he might desire, so he needs an agent on the outside. The best person he can think of is his friend Galahad's father. (Now that Galahad has been taken up to heaven as his reward for finding the Holy Grail, Lancelot is the "greatest knight on life" again.) Lancelot gets ocassional draughts from the Holy Grail to keep him alive, and goes out into the world.

If I'd been doing the story, Duval would have been Percival, but there's nothing really bad about the way the TGS staff did it. As long as the story elements are handled well, the story will be entertaining.

So far, so good.

*** End Spoilers ***
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 09:24:28 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

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Anonymous
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 07:37:34 AM
IP: apx-1-175-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

*slenders back in, smiling*

So this time I'm not in a real hurry..... things work out as expected, and I converted all those Top Ten lists the Fanfic Archive has to offer. Even browsed through that very long text file and added the new lists to separate files. Now I might be able to continue my efforts on getting the administrative sections (adding authors, stories, changing author informations etc.) up and running with the new database design. Guess I can say this much: When everything goes according to my plans, we'll be having the new archive alive before the end of the year.

GSide> Well, mayhaps it'll work.... Let's wait 'till I can do a check on the machine it'll be on with the real data... right now I'm only using my compy at home and about 15 - 20 authors for a test - nothing that could yield any useable results in time measurement.

And yes, there are page- and access-statistics, but I for myself didn't take a look at them up to now.....

The number of stories each author has posted..... hmm, sounds like a good idea to me...... I'll see what I can do without breaking the design I use. Thanx for the hint.

DHP> *laughs* To be honest - one episode every week is quite fine with me.... just can't stand to wait on the second part of a multiparter.... though I can imagine the joy such discussions bring the knowing authore *grins evilly*

Taleweaver> You're _so_ mean to us.... - that's what we like with our dear authors :))

*having nothing more to comment on right now Guandalug turns back towards the door and walks out, whistling a happy tune. A single fragment of code escapes from his pocket without him noticing it*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 03:31:35 AM
IP: nx7.hrz.uni-dortmund.de

It's starting to get cold over here, so that means I have an excuse to break out my hat. I love my hat. At least two animals died for it. It also gives me "leet gaming skillz."

New Pendragon> Once again, a veritable triumph. Shall we see the other flowers rendered in the next installment? I wonder about the fate of the departed one, and I found the censoring a tad out of place (especially since the clinical term could have been applied). but it was probably best to stick with S&P.

Robby> <<playing my brand new Rom of a 98% translated
version of Pokemon Silver>>: Bah, I'm waiting for the translation of Tales of Phantasia. Why did Lame Translations have to go and steal that beta... But which emulator are you using? NO$GB?

Winterwolf> <<Maybe you tried for the role?>>: They said they didn't want any more lone gunmen types.
<<If that isn't a setup for a story I don't know what is! Take it away Gside!>>: Didn't think it was really worth the space, but it is moderately interesting. Plus, you have to rely on my memory, but let's see how much of it I get. It started when my mother renewed both her and my father's licenses by mail. They only recieved my father's, so she re-renewed hers. It came safely this time. The story pauses until just before the begining of school, after they took a picture of the faculty (which can be found at http://www.rcds.com/faculty.jpg look for fat old guy in the tweed jacket in the back, and the skinny woman in the light blue dress in the front, both towards the right). That afternoon, my father answered a phone call from a man asking to speak to my mother regarding the accident he had been in with her. My father found out that the accident had been in Newark (if I remember this correctly), and there is no way my mother could have made it to Newark in time to be in the accident and make it back to Rumson without breaking a few laws of physics (probably thermodynamics, in relation to the engine). Sometime later, we have a representative of the sherriff's department come to the house to serve my mother with papers for a suit in regards to the accident which she supposedly caused. In the course of investigating the accident, it comes out that the woman claiming to be my mother is black, and if you saw the picture, we are quite whitbread. Pale even. We offer to have my mother go down to the local police station so they may write up a description of her to be sent to the appropriate authorities. It also appears that the car she was driving was reported stolen (or maybe it was borrowed, or was it stolen this time... some odd things hapening there). The best guess we have on what happened is that someone stole the first licence out of the envelope. I don't believe anything came of the suit in regards to us.
<<Scour Exchange! The joys of the internet!>>: More appropriately, the joys of broadband.

Lynati> <<is that on "The remains of Tom Lehrer" box set>>: It could be. I haven't a clue, as my acquisition methods don't follow that vein.
<<I've always been kind of partial to "We will all go together when we go">>: I've got that one too, but I try to vary the selection.

Emambu> <<I'm more interested in the character he played then the actor that he's become>>: From what I remember, he had all the ladies.
<>: I didn't really think you'd do anything just for me, but I have loved Non Nobis since I saw Kenny's Henry V. Or you could try to work in some Ladysmith Black Mumbaza effects.
On an odd note, anyone know of an mp3 of the singing duel scene in the movie Zulu. I love that. Or even the name of the song with which the Brits counter.
And good luck with your work, too. Including that programming quiz.

Gundalung> <<author-list... is dynamically generzted from the result of a database query>>: But might it worth it to create a dependant table for just that (and maybe a sum of the stories posted by each author)? Do you have any page access statistics?
Incidentally, is there a reason why they taught us Boyce-Codd Normal Form and Third Normal Form?

Welcome, my leige Snarf. You can apply to TGS staff next time they hold a recruiting drive. Possibly after they finish the Pendragon and vanilla seasons.

I just noticed that the piece used in Evangelion's Dance Like You Want to Win is in six eight. Conducted in six. Does anyone know if that was taken from anywhere, or was it original?
And "I don't want a pickle; I just want to ride my motorcycle." Wouldn't mind a tickle though. And I definitely don't want to die.

Nadia> May you find the courses you enjoy. You could always go into engineering. After the first bit of theory (chem, phys, calc), we're trapped in our labs (taken simultaneously with engineering theory).

Welcome Ghost.

And Mohammed. Though we could be more usefull if you give us a category for what kind of information you desire. Topics wage widely through human knowledge and beyond.

Warpmind> <<you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave>>: I'm confused there.
<<an amazing range of variations on my family name>>: Must be easier in the native language. I can't come up with much more than dimunatives.
<>: Could you insist on the capitalized final E?
<<no apology needed>>: Better safe than sorry, I'd say.

Cal�ope> <<You can just down load the eps, just like that?>>: Not quite. You're reliant on other people to have them and share them. luckily, these seem to be rather common. And held by people on very nice networks. Or they could be across the hall, and I just don't know. It would explain a couple transfer rates that were extrememly nice.
<<We might make a decent Otaku out of you yet!>>: I try, but my main downfall is that I'm rather cheap. Therefore, if I can get it for free, I'm very happy.

James Birdsong> <<That girl definitly drinks soda pop>>: Nah, that caffiene syrup that kills you if you drink the whole bottle.

Good to see you back again Gunjack.
<<complaints about hardcore porn being shown to gradeschoolers at a museum>>: Gotta love Leda and the Swan. And just about everyone has done a version.

Mary Flanders> Good luck dealing with your food services teacher.

Sev. Jr.> <<Anybody remember Melissa Drexler?>>: It think that was in Jersey.

Lynati> <<my campus doesn't even allow candles or incense in the dorms>>: People are getting scared after Seton Hall.

Mary Flanders> <<Native Americans are generally lactose intolerant. That's part of their DNA>>: Well, that lends some credibility to a family legend.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gisde - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:51:59 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Sevarius Jr.>Well, Native Americans are generally lactose intolerant. That's part of their DNA. For those of us who aren't able to digest some foods it's because of our genes. White says that that allergic reaction was some invented idea. This is also the same guy who says skim milk and nonfat milk are two different things. He says that one of them is really whole milk with a whole lot of water in it. (that's a rather digusting concept. I love skim milk!) >:P
Mary Flanders
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:21:02 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

**Winterwolf enters**

Hi! This will be my last post until I come back from the wedding on Sunday!

Happy Birthday Dreamie! ^_^

Emambu> <question> Well I figured it was ultimately your decision but I did list my two views on it! :) <address> That is the latest address Shadowrider gave me, it is complete as far as I know! <luck>Good luck on the programming quiz! Also wishing you luck on convincing your parents that the Gathering is a worthwhile event cause it is! ^_^

King Snarf> Welcome! Enjoy your stay!

Nadia> <scanner> Great so we'll have some more pretty pictures to see! :) <annoying classes> **Hugz** You can get through it! <willpower to attend all classes> I hope you made it! ;)

Hellos and welcomes to both Ghost and Mohammed!

Caliope> <days without sleep> **grins** You too? That sounds like a challenge! Will have to plan out fun all weekend long! ^_^ <Roswell> The show is back in the zone! I'm looking forward to the next episode! **thinks about your comments and thoughts** You are unbelievably good! ;)smack them around> LOL You'd be the best character for sure! I can see you whacking them upside the head! :P

Lynati> Gargoyles is set to start once Pendragon is complete. There is a shortage of staff and their lives are quite busy!

******BFTS RP******

Frost and Plastique both simultaneously say "Mountain" The look at each other both with tiny smiles tugging at the edges of their lips.

Frost blushes and gestures for Plastique to speak first. "Well a mountain would give me an excellent offensive and defensive opportunity as I manipulate the rock face to attack and also defend us. Plus if anyone is in danger of falling I can create a soft landing."

Frost grins, " I can also attack more readily in a higher and cooler area. Besides intensifying my freezing attacks, it would also make my use of gale force winds stronger. It would be strong enough to magnify the air currents to be able to move myself or someone else quickly around the sloped areas of the mountain."

Plastique asks, "What about you DPH? What do you think?"

******END BFTS RP******

See you again either Sunday or Monday! Bye bye until then!

**Winterwolf exits**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:20:52 AM
IP: 206.15.120.140

*Lynati flings open heavy drapery material, enters*
Heyla, everyone!
> and an extra jovial nod in the direction of a fellow eclectic wiccan.(You know, my campus doesn't even allow candles or incense in the dorms...but good luck with YOUR further dealings with the "adult" race.)
The new pendragon...interesting.
warning: Minor Rant
Am I missing something? is each set of storylines only worked on seasonaly? I looked in past postings, but I didn't see any anwsers when others asked when new non-pendragon stories are coming. So what is the deal? Are their going to be ant new stories in the next couple months, or should I stop running expectantly to the computer until 2001?
(this isn't bitching-I know good fanfiction takes its time to write. Hell, _Any_ good writing takes its time. and this qualifies as more than just"good". I've recommended this site to friends...even one who never saw the original series, because the writing here is just that good)
so if anyone can clue me in PLEASE. Do.
End of Rant
-takes a breath, opens her mouth to add something else, closes her mouth and decides to take the email option instead

*Lynati the Uninformed ducks back under the curtains to wait*

Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:23:42 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Mary: Well, White does sort of have a point. It's like what Chris Rock says--we have so much food in this country that we're becoming allergic to it. You never hear of any starving person in Somalia who's "lactose intolerant".

But I'm also of the school of thought that most every malady is somewhat psychosomatic. I'm not talking about gaping chest wounds here, but a small pain in your back most likely isn't a ruptured disk, no matter what your lawsuit claims that it is.

Gunjack: You have some interesting views about abortion, and I sort of agree with you on several of them.
And I agree with some of your logic. It doesn't make sense to me that it's "okay" to kill a "fetus" before it's born, yet it's wrong to strangle a newborn baby and leave it lying in a dumpster (which seems to be all the rage nowadays. Anybody remember Melissa Drexler? Squirted out the kid, dumped it in the trash, then went to the prom?). Not that I condone the latter action, but to me it's basically the same thing. It'd just be getting rid of an unwanted burden, right?
Wait--I'd best stop myself. There's probably going to be more political stuff once the second debate is over with tomorrow, so I sure don't want to open *this* can of worms.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:50:07 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Lancelot talk> Get over yourselves peoples pretty please. Arthur is under the influence of drugs. He is seeing what he wants to see not what is real
James Birdsong
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 09:51:47 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-151.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*enters*

Just to warn you, I have something to get off my chest that's really bugging me. You have been warned.

Grrr!!! Mr. White, my food Service instructor, is really beginning to bug me with his veiws and perspectives on life and such. He says lactose intolerance is something _invented_ five years ago. My friend whom I work with at the school cafe his lactose intolerant and she got into a heated debate with Mr. White about it. He also says America is getting healthier and healthier every day! That is such a bunch of Bullshit!!! We're the most overweight country in the world!!! And another time when we're talking about religion, he says all pagans worship Mother Earth and just her. We worship the _God_ and _Goddess_. They are all gods and all goddesses of the ancient world and all gods and goddesses of the ancient world are the God and Goddess. I tell him I'm eclectic (meaning I take different pagan religions and follow my own pagan path) and he says I'm just making up my own religion!!! *@&^$*#$&@*&$%&#*(@&$@(*^@*$(@*&@*(&$*(%&#(*$ Plus he says it with a condisending (SAT word) attitude. <grrrr...> He can be soooooo irritating!!! *bites off Mr.White's head*
Mary Flanders
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 08:51:31 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

ha ha ha!!
read the new Pendragon...

**********PENDRAGON GRIPES AND SPOILERS AHEAD************

Yes, well... this week's episode of Pendragon was very well written and everything. I just have one major complaint (that is mostly coming from the little King Arthur that seems to have been residing in the back 40 of my brain for a good seven years) and that is, "awww c'mon guys! Can't ANYONE write a good Arthur story without bringing in that silly Lancelot fellow?? I mean, _really_..." See, _HE_ likes to say that there was no "lancelot" and that the role of usurping the throne came completely from the dude commonly known as Mordred. He gets very upset about this issue and consequently, it cast rather a big shadow over the episode for me :( Mind you, dear "Art" has been a little crazy of late... I thought he'd gone to sleep for a while but now he's ever so wide awake...
Anyway, it was, aside from the Lancelot thing, a very well written episode... I hope Mary gets into some trouble that Merlin gets to feel guilty over cause that would serve him right!

************END PENDRAGON GRIPES AND SPOILERS***********

Now it's time to get a nice hot shower and settle in for a good two hours of vampire slaying and daemon hunting... :)

Love,
N.
Nadia K
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 07:34:17 PM
IP: dynrez216-32194.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Woo. I did not say 100% responsibility and it only applies if you did not adequately store your gun. Responsiblity for a car being stolen? No way. It is far too easy to hotwire a car.

Sanity question? I have a simple solution. Someone installs an automatic machine to suck out sanity when anyone enters. Only the CR administrator can return sanity to anyone.

**DPH spots the jar containing his sanity and sneaks it in his pocket before anyone attempts to destroy it.**

One of these days, I may want to gain more sanity.

**PENDRAGON SPOILERS**
Umm. Very interesting ending. There are too many legitimate ways for this to go.
**END PENDRAGON SPOILERS**

ghost & Guandalug la'Fay - I would rather have the new stories posted over a longer period of time than have to wait months for many stories. Once a week is often enough.

**accident related**
I talked to a lawyer and found out a few things. He said my best bet would be small claims court because lawyer's fees would be greater than the settlement.
**end accident related**

1+1=4

**BFTS RP continues**
DPH replies, "Well, that is probably the case. Turning it off without Shadow's permission would probably be a BAD idea."

Plastique walks in and asks, "Well, have you decided on where to fight NCA at?"

DPH replies, "I have narrowed it down to a few choices: on a mountainside, in a valley, or in a meadow. Each choice has certain advantages and disadvantages. What do either of you two think about the choice?"
**END BFTS RP**

**DPH leaves quickly the room with the jar containing his sanity safely tucked away in his pocket.** 1+1=2
DPH - [<--click here to vote]
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 07:24:26 PM
IP: max1-63.cwy.cei.net

* SPOILERS (OF A SORT) FOR PENDRAGON *

DAVID G - I was expecting remarks like that when we revealed Duval's TGS identity (in light of the fact that we now know whom Greg Weisman had intended Duval to be in his Masterplan). Actually, we made him Lancelot during our plans for TGS Season One because one of the group (I forget who it was now) had heard a rumor that Greg had said that Duval and Lancelot were the same person. (Of course, it would have to have been an utterly unfounded rumor, in view of the fact that we now know that Greg had meant Duval to be Percival). At that time, we were still dedicating ourselves to following the MasterPlan as much as possible, so we decided that if Greg had meant Duval to be Lancelot, we'd just have to go for it. And by the time that we started getting the hints that Duval was really Percival, it was too late to change things, so we were stuck with the "Duval = Lancelot" notion.

*SPOILERS (OF A SORT) END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 06:21:34 PM
IP: 216.87.46.126.dialup-stl.primary.net

Gunjack>Right now, I have chapter 1 and 2 posted at a website. Click my name for the link! (my other alias name is baherit)I'm still working on chapter 3. I've got 5 pages typed so far!!! ^_^ Don't worry, I keep these chapters short, since I hate the idea of writing something 27 pages long like my one and only Gargoyles fic. That took too long and too much out of me. I'm never going to continue that fanfic series. :(
Mary Flanders - [clicky clicky for my Ranma 1/2 fanfic!!!]
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 06:08:15 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*Evil cackling*
'Scuse me. I get like this whenever a multiparter I've written gets posted. Post the follow-up story tomorrow? What? And miss out on all the speculation, vacillation, people going into conniptions trying to figure out what happens next. It's what I live for. *evil cackling*

I can see why villains cackle so much. It is quite fun. I won't give anything away on this Pendragon or Part 2, but I'd be remiss if I didn't give it up for the editors. They really do a Herculean task going through the stories and making sure they're polish perfect for your reading pleasure. Editing is the heart and soul of TGS.

I'll only say this about Part 2. Hang on to your hats and glasses. This wild ride ain't finished yet.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 04:17:41 PM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

Mmmm. Next time I should probably refresh the room before posting... :P Missed about ten new posts that time... Ah well, I'll get 'em tommorrow.

Dope, love, guns!
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 04:11:34 PM
IP: 209-223-253-25.ausa.net

Emambu><<Xenomorphs eat nice people. Remember that god-awful movie "Alien: Resurrection?" The security guard, who was the nicest one of the group, died at the end. He wasn't eaten true, but his head was still crushed. The end result is the same. :)>> Awwww, I kinda liked that movie... Ripley made a great psycho. :) *thinks a minute* Actually, the Bugs never really ate anyone. They just chewed 'em up and spit them out, or layed eggs in them. What DO Xenomorphs eat? <<Guess I'll just have to provide my own explanation, which means no one's allowed to complain when they read it. You all had your chance. :)>> Heh. Since I've been gone for weeks, I have no clue what you're talking about. I retain my right to complain! *Laughs maniacly, and falls into a sneezing fit* Sorry, couldn't help it, sorry... What was the question? :)

Gside - Good tunes. :) I've seen "Poisening Pigeons" performed at Harding, but the other two were... New. :)

Lyanti - YO! Always nice to see new people in here... *Frowns as a thought strikes him* Hey... It's been months since I've posted regularly in here. Does that make ME a quasi-newbie? *shrugs* Anyhoo, welcome to the fun!

DPH><<I, also, believe that every owner of a gun SHOULD be accountable for the actions of that gun. I mean, that if some idiot leaves his gun where you can see it from the outside and someone steals it and commits a crime with that gun, the owner of the gun is responsible the actions of that gun.>> Responsible in what way? Criminal negligence, or full responsibility for the crime commited?
An example: A young single man decides to keep a pistol in his apartment for self defense. There are no other occupants, and so he leaves the gun unlocked for faster access in an emergency. When his house is robbed, the pistol is stolen and turns up later in a drug-related shooting. How is he responsible?
<> I'm not sure what you mean by "rapid fire gun" and "more ammo". If you're talking about machine guns, they've required a liscence to own, sell or trade since 1968(?). Crimes commited with legally owned machine guns are pretty much non-existent.
Semi-automatic weapons also could count as "rapid fire guns", but no one has been talking seriously about banning them. The "assault weapon" and "crime gun" bans we were treated to a couple years ago only banned a small group of weapons, based on EXTERNAL APPEARENCE. And we all know what a great idea it is to ban things based on what they look like, right?
As for "more ammo", it makes no difference. Illegal mags are easier to get than illegal guns, and it only takes a second or two to reload anyway.

Warpmind><<You want a .45? *Jaw trembles* Why settle for a pesky .45? I seem to recall reading somewhere that you can get .50 handguns (heavy as heck, but WHAT a hole they make...) these days, so... ]:)>> The Desert Eagle loads it, and there are some beautiful Ruger revolvers too... but do you have ANY idea how hard those things kick? I'll stick with a .357 SIG Berretta and a few of those evil hi-cap mags... :)

Tim P><> I've never hunted and probably never will, but what's so bad about it? You spend a day or two in the woods, hiking, stalking, you take an animal, pack the meat out, and eat it. people have been doing it since before recorded history, and only after we became "civilised" did it become taboo... And out of curiousity, do you also dislike fishing? There's not much diference between the two... :)
<<Overreacting is assigning a sercurity detail to a Nsync concert. Would anyone really care if something actually happened to them?>> Assumeably THEY would... Or do they count?

Mary Flanders><<I'm afraid my obession for Gargoyles in shifting towards Ranma 1/2 since I can't watch the show anymore. :(>> I've been gone for months, so I was wondering... Have you finished any more of that Ranma fanfic? If so, where's it posted? I'd be interested in reading it...
*Glances at her earlier post, steps back a bit, and switches to keanu-mode* Whoa...

Niahmgold><<My friend Colin walked up to a bride, just after she got married (and after Michelle, Gabe, Reuben, and Thryn (just think of it as Kathryn without the "Ka-") had unsuccessfully tried to hold his six-foot butt back), and started talking to her like he was her scandalous and non-plussed lover.>> *Valentine gags, chokes, and collapses on the floor laughing* Oh my... Funny as heck, but dangerous... *reads the rest of the list and collapses laughing* What the *HECK* do you guys do for a living? Are there any openings?

Entity - *Valentine reads Entity's post, and goes teary-eyed with joy* Finally! Someone who advances views totally oppoosed to mine! Thank you! There isn't enough debate in this world... :) To the duel! *Valentine scans through his post, and then grins sheepishly* I responded to the abortion bit, but it got a tad... long, so I moved it to the end. <<Well, I'm behind gun control. Yeah, you can say it's our right to own sub-machine guns, but honestly, in this particular case, I just don't care. I don't care if Billy-Bob can still go and rip open the chest of a deer with a grenade launcher, just because he might want to do just that, and by taking away his right to buy one, we're compromising his backwoods fun.>> The arguement isn't over machine guns and grenade launchers, it's over owning ANY guns AT ALL. Semi-automatic rifles are "Assault Weapons", bolt-action rifles are "sniper rifles". Shotguns "spray bullets indescriminately", cheap guns are "Saturday Night Specials" or "Trash Guns that no law-abiding citizen needs".
What it comes down to is that the anti-gun groups don't want ANY guns left in America. Apparently you agree. Why?
<<As for censorship... I'm of the opinion that nothing will ever really come of everything that's going on right now. It's a phase. Like all phases, it was brought on by stupidity, is being embraced by stupider stupidity, and will eventually end, with all the stupid people patting themselves on the back for figuring out that it was ultimately all stupid.>> In my opinion, America in general has a rediculous fear of "censorship", and the focus of the debate has been lost. The result is that our culture will always sink to the lowest common denominator.
When people start talking about "censorship", they no longer refer to writers being jailed or movie companies being shut down, but rather to someone objecting to public nudity, or complaints about hardcore porn being shown to gradeschoolers at a museum. And of course, the "censor" is obviously an uncultured philistine who wants to impose his or her religion on the brilliant "artist". Does anyone but me see something wrong with this picture? I agree that the government has no right to regulate art, but as things stand, there is no such thing as "public decency".

SOROW - *Reads the Senior Football Game post and goggles* Gah..! WHAT the HECK does she think she's doing??? *Valentine snaps his fingers, and a large bouquet glides toward SOROW* A bit late, but hopefully better than nothing... Here's to hoping your mother starts acting like a... Mother again.

***********************ABORTIAN STUFF***********************
Entity><<What do you mean? To me, trying to draw the line anywhere past birth is just playing with fire. It's way too tricky. The best bet is to say that when you're born, you're a human being. Sure, maybe an infant still doesn't possess the cerebral functions of a normal person, but neither might a severe retard.>> Let's say a 8 month old "fetus" is scheduled to be aborted in a week. the day before the abortian, the mother has an accident and the "fetus" is delivered during the ambulence ride to the hospital. By that logic, the "fetus" is now a person.
Yet if the accident had not occured, the child would still be a "fetus" when it was aborted at the end of the week. This is a logical fallacy. Either it's a human being when aborted, or it's not a human being when born. Pick one.
Declaring humanity only after birth is absurd. If it's just a part of the mother's body, why not say that it's only a person after you cut the cord? In the case of Partial-Birth abortion, it seems as though the docters have a birth fetish. If you're going to abort the "fetus" with everything but it's head outside the mother, why not just deliver it completely and reduce the chance of messy accidents? The awnser is that it "looks bad", but why should appearences and superstitions get in the way of medical fact and the legal process of the greatest country in the world?
The Congress just passed a bill granting children that survive abortions full civil rights. Only 15 votes were cast in opposition. I applaud those 15 men and women for honesty in the face public opinion, as any Pro-Choicer who voted against that measure was either an idiot or two-faced. If it is acceptable and possibly moral to abort "fetuses" who suffer from birth defects, why should a "fetus" that is already unwanted be forced to live after being severely maimed? This is also a logical fallacy. Which is worse: to kill an unwanted or defective "fetus", or to mutilate it further and then force it to live?

It seems that the abortian debate suffers from an excess of posturing. If abortian is good thirty seconds before birth, it continues to be good twenty seconds before, ten seconds before, during, and ten seconds after. If it is bad thirty seconds before birth, it continues to be bad forty seconds before, ten minutes before, a day or a week before and so on until a distinct line can be found.
The idea that changing a "fetus'" location magicly gives it life where there was none is scientificly laughable. The only possible explanation for such a rapid change in status would be that the soul only enters the "fetus" at the moment of birth, and such an arguement removes any trace of scientific objectivity.
Leaving the question of souls aside, which is a bigger change: a change of location, or the removal of direct dependency from the mother when the umbilical is cut? I would say the second, and yet birth is still the deciding factor.
Personally, I wish we would quit wrangling over pointless detail and appearence. Instead of messy abortions, let's go back to the ancient method: Exposure. No more barbaric than the other forms, and let's face it: Death is Death. Plus, it gives all those anti-choice types a chance to put up or shut up. If they really believe that it's wrong, all they have to do is walk over and pick the little tyke up. Problem solved. Is it too cruel to let a former fetus die of exposure? Give 'em a shot to take away the pain. Really, what's the moral difference between exposure and PBA? At least the former is intellectually honest...

Regardless of what you might think, this IS what I believe. Some would say that I'm a psychotic, but as I said before, Death is Death. I see no meaningful difference between exposure and PBA, except perhaps that with exposure the child can be rescued. If anyone can see a gap in the above logic, I'd be extremely interested to see it.
***********************END ABORTION STUFF*******************

Well, it's 3:08 in the afternoon, and I started writing at about 11:00...
Gah! I write too slow...

Peace, love, dope.
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Dallas, TX
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 04:07:22 PM
IP: 209-223-253-25.ausa.net

Hi ya'll. Been busy lately. Actually, I'm still busy, but I wanted to say hello.

*** SPOILERS AHEAD ***

Just finished Pendragon. I have one major comment, but it's really important, so I'm going to hit [return] a few times to make sure nobody sees it by mistake

OK, just a couple more...

Alright, if you see it now, you're pretty much on your own:

Duval can't be Lancelot!! Lancelot wasn't worthy to find the Holy Grail. His son, Galahad, was. Lancelot was a dirty, filthy adulterer (sp?). "The greatest of sinful knights" the Lady of the Grail called him.

Duval should have been Percival (who has two different versions to support him. He gets the Grail in Parzival by Wolfram, and he is one of the successful Grail Questing Knights in Mallory).

That said, having Lancelot survive does open some interesting possibilities. Now, to some extent, his role and Arthur's are reversed, since Arthur is attracted to Lancelot's wife.

I'm also assuming that the source of Duval's immortality is the Grail. Maybe he just met Death and Dream in a tavern a long time ago and made a bet... wait, wrong story.

Oh well, enough for now. See ya'll later.

*** End SPOILERS ***
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 03:41:13 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

(gets shook hands and hugged by Caliope) That girl definitly drinks soda pop. I'm posting again to pose a philosophical issue **WARNING THIS IS CONJECTURE** Arthur Pennington is to Hector Duval what Duncan MacLeod is to Russel Nash. See if you can point the similarties and why I say this. **END OF POST
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 02:56:16 PM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

*runs in* Hi! hi! HI!! hello! Hi! *shakes everyone hand quickly* Hi! Quick post!

Lynati> lol Hello! And welcome! :) That is a pretty name, you say it has a special meaning? May I ask what it is? I have an insaciable curiosity for names and meanings :)

Gside> Well, I ment the audio tapes I had the songs recorded on, but that so neet! You can just down load the eps, just like that?!!? No fair!!! I have to rent mine :P The reason Ranma boy sound a tad bit girly is cuz its the same voice actress who does both girl and boy Ranma, but dont complain, I think its in the 3rd series, they get a new voice actor and he has such and annoying wusy voice! Even if she was a girl doing a guys voice, at least she gave Ranma attitud! Slayers is fun too, I havent been able to see Next and Try series, but soon, very soon! Oh, and the Slayers Movies arnt too good, just though I would warn ya :P But the series are good :) Have fun!!! We might make a decent Otaku out of you yet! :P

Winterwolf> <<NY>> lol Alright! Just know I can go for days without sleep! You have been warned!!! :P
<<Roswell>> Hahaha I told you bout the waitress!!! Dang I'm good! Its kindda scary realy, I usualy guess right about these things :P And I'm starting to hate Tess less too! I love the whole Kyle and Tess interaction! It would work out perfectly!!! I think Max might go back to working at the UFO center, you know, fellow abductee should stick together ;) For some reason, I think the new owner guy was telling the truth, its all done just to prove Max has better judgment and is the true leader and all. And about Michael and Maria, I think he (and Liz and Isabel for that matter) should just get over it all and get back together with their respective match. They're luck I'm not in the show or I'd start to smack some sense into 'em! Phisicaly! :P About Isabel defending Michael, she always has if you think about it, but who knows what it might really mean. I gotta watch next week, gotta watch next week...this show is addicting! :P

Emambu> *HUGZ* thanx, I hope your right! Its so frustrating, of all the test I took the week before I havent recived my grades yet!!! I have ta know or I'll go insane...-er :P Well, I hope your spanish class goes well then and if ya need to practice, remember, I can help! :P

Well! Gotta go! I'm off! See ya guys!!!! *zooms about the room and HUGZ all the zooms out*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 02:20:54 PM
IP: 136.145.83.181

*Warpmind enters, scratching his head.*
This Pendrago ep... so it suggests that *Lance* is Duval? How amusing... seeing as I have been using him as the Grandmaster since just about his first appearance in my ficverse... :| This is gettin' creepy... ]:)

Guandalug: Danke. :)

As Revel has already said, he and I are seeking a third, possibly a fourth roomie for The Gathering. Please respond to either of us.

Welcome, Lynati. As with Hotel California, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. ;)

Archwolf: You know that sparring round I suggested for G2001? I'm having second thoughts... particularly since I'm pretty much untrained in any form of edged weapons (heck, any weapons at *all*), such a spar would seem a vastly uneven match... :| Then again, I s'pose there's always *some* chance I can get some training...

Revel: Hear, hear. Teaching people about proper use of guns from the time they can speak is one of the best ways to prevent misuse and accidents. As I mentioned, Switzerland. :) Ah, but I held such a marvellous Sabatti double-barrelled 12-gauge last week; excellent balance, and, of course, the all-time favorite rifle grip, for AOD type firing. (With a slightly reduced firing rate, though...)

Gside: Well, I was called by an amazing range of variations on my family name from I was 7 'till I was 17... and I am, quite seriously, pondering changing my name... :| (Though, I have a hunch "de InzanE" won't go through easily, so...) Oh, and before I forget... no apology needed. An honest mistake; there was *no* way in this world you could know.

Emambu: Damn right I was right. *Stops to think for a moment.* Uh, what was the question again? *Scrolls through last week's CR.* Oh, yeah... *that* link...

Gunjack Valentine: Shoulda figured you'd show up when we began do discuss firearms. :) Seriously, though, whatcha reckon my chances are to get an A-10 gatling legally registered as a self-defense weapon? ;)

Greetings, King Snarf. May your reign be long and... uh, wait, that'd contradict my own domination plans (which coincide with the Nereus Project), so I'm afraid I'll have to dethrone you one of these days... Sorry. ;)

Nadia: I understand your educational reluctance, girl... most subjects may seem vastly fascinating when you look at them at home, but believe me, any educational facility can make *anything* boring. Example: I had a science teacher once, who even made *sex* sound boring... :|

*EEP* This is the day of new vic... posters, it seems... hey, guys, we got an ARAB here! Welcome, Mohammed. Look around, and you'll probably figure out the way things work. :)

Well, gotta go... got the travel funds nicely stashed away in a max-interest account in the bank now, and so on, so... well, I'll not bore you with the dull financial details, but I'm certainly looking forward to seeing the lot of you there. (And this time, I'll get the new Magelore book signed when I buy it, I presume.) :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 02:07:11 PM
IP: mp-217-217-77.daxnet.no

h iam in suadi pls mor info pls
mohammed - [nagd100@hotmail.com]
RIYAHD, nyw, suadi arabi
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 01:54:13 PM
IP: cf3-adapter1.isu.net.sa

It's been nice to see new episodes of Pendragon arriving after a far too long wait. My only question is when will some of the episodes of the other series start coming out again?
ghost - [gitm@amaxx.net]
Columubs, Ohio, USA
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:23:20 PM
IP: 208.46.234.136

Delayed reaction now trigged by seeing the two other people's posts **Pendragon Spoilers without really spoiling but I am putting up this Warning anyhow** Hector Duvall better know by now that Arthur isn't the Connection and even though the police can't fit the puzzle pieces, the Illuminati should be able to since they or him, Duval, realizes that Morrigan Cornish is really Morgun le fee *sp* hehe **END non-spoilers but warned anyhow**
James Birdsong
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:12:55 PM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

*peeks in*

Short coment on Pendragon: Great episode.... and a major surprise near the end. Can't wait 'till next week.... could you perhaps publish the next episode.... let's say.... tomorrow? :))

(No spoiler warnings set cause there were no spoilers :)

Might post something more detailed later when I get the time to do so.

*pops out again*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:47:45 AM
IP: mailgate-b.ais-gmbh.de

There are no words to describe my reaction to the latest Pendragon episode, so I'll simply say this:

O_O

Yes, there were hints. No, I didn't consider THIS possibility until this episode. Very nicely done, IMO... now waiting impatiently for the second chapter.
Skyrender
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:10:48 AM
IP: edmserv15.stantech.com

I just read the latest Pendragon episode. yah! It was cool.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:32:48 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-28.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Hey guys!!
I'm Baaaaaaack!!!

I ate faaaaaaaar too much turkey this weekend... and pie... my friend's parents had a "pie day" where all their relies brought PIE!!!! Soooooooo much pie, I thought I'd die... hey... that was a really bad rhyme, I don't think I'll do that again... :)
I also think I may have got him hooked on Gargoyles... heh heh... AND he has a scanner... heh heh HEH!! (which is not the only reason why he's my friend ;))
So... say I had a kinda nifty picture of Brooklyn and Demona that was sorta inspired by TGS Timedancer 1st season ep. "Requiem" that I might sorta kinda want to donate to TGS in general, where would I send such a thing?? I have one of Meryt, too but it's not scanned yet...
Just a-wonderin'.
******** EDUCATION RANT************
Had a couple of fights with my dad this past week, one about the fact that I'm really not happy here at school, Music Theory is driving me NUTTY (short trip...) and I'm really only taking one class that I actually enjoy, which is Astronomy. All my other courses are smelly. I went to a whole grand total of one class last week (not good...) which was Astronomy mostly cause I dislike the others so much. The only reason I am in music at all is because I didn't know what I wanted to do and I could do music. So I did. But my hands are itchy to do something!!!!!! I need to be making something, drawing, painting, knitting... tying knots in string.. ANYTHING but sitting at a desk with a textbook and pen ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!GET ME A TACTILE EDUCATION!!!!!!!!! *throws "Harmony and Voice Leading: Second Edition" out the window, onto the head of some hapless student...* (pant, gasp, wheeze...)
I think I'm finished now :)
***********END EDUCATION RANT**********

So... that's about it for now, methinks. I have class at 10... lucky it's only across the street MWU HAH HA HA HA!!
I shall endeavor to read the next Pendragon Episode soon :)
(after I expend an extreme amount of energy and willpower and actually attend ALL my classes today...)

:)... ;b

Lotsa love.
N.

Nadia
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 09:48:19 AM
IP: dynrez216-32194.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

I just found this site a few days ago and let me say that this is beautiful! I've been reading through Season 1 for TGS and PENDRAGON and I love it. How would one go about becoming apart of this. I've had a TON of ideas for Gargoyles for quite some time now, and if anybody needs to see samples of my work, I can provide some links to stories I've written.

All in all, great stuff!
King Snarf - [reginald_q_bumbershoot@hotmail.com]
Drexel Hill, PA, USA
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 03:44:42 AM
IP: a030-1298.phl2.splitrock.net

*walks in, followed by only a few well-behaving code-snippets*

GSide> I'll do my very best >) Thing is, the author-list (like most other pages dealing with stories and such) is dynamically generzted from the result of a database query. I guess a little speedup will be guaranteed due to the fact that we a) switch to a newer, better database-client and b) reduce those tripple-entries to only one. But still - the process of querying the database and building the resulting page stays the same, so not much speedup in there.

Emabu> Glad to help. And no, the Archive won't move out - the addy stays the same (even most of the main pages keep their names and locations - but that I cannot guarantee for everything, so links to something else than 'fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org' might become invalid without prior warning. Nothing's gone though - just relocated on the system.)

New Pendragon Episode> Great, will read it ASAP.

*walks out, the pieces of code all lined up behind him*
Guandalug la'Fay
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 03:00:44 AM
IP: nx7.hrz.uni-dortmund.de

I decided to write a letter...., to.... none other than....
Richard Ramirez!!!!

I have a strange fascination with him, and my baby's momma loves him to death!! ::snicker::

So, I want to write him a letter, I don't know what about yet.., but I do know I want to do that! I'd appreciate any suggestions, {please sumthing intelligent and not lacking character}.

Abortion crap- ::IDEA:: Ok, for ppl who don't want babies, why don't we try to freeze the embryo and keep it for ppl who do want babies??! Abortion and Adoption at the same tyme! Or is it easier just to end life???

Baby News- Haven't personally been informed of much change, but I think he's a little more responsive to a flashlight and poking! (Ya know, if ya take a flashlight and put it on the belly).

Official crap- "The baby's irises can now dilate and contract in response to light. Due to the deposits of white fat underneath the skin the baby's skin is no longer red but pink, and your baby weighs about three pounds and five ounces. The finger nails may reach the end of the hands. While it is really great that your baby is gaining weight and growing strong, you may be in line for different discomforts at this stage of the game."

Birthing Classes- Avoided it this week..... ;o)

Anywayz, bye for now...
"....what is, is. You don't understand me. You are not expected to. You are not capable of it. I am beyond your experience. I am beyond good and evil...." - Richard
jackal
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 01:31:38 AM
IP: ac803713.ipt.aol.com

*Valentine delurks carrying a lupara and dragging the upper half of DC.*

Yo. Been gone for weeks, 'cause my computer was toasted and life was sucking too bad for comment. :P I'm hoping that it's all cleared up now and I can get back in here more often. In any case, real post later. The abortian/gun control deal looks interesting... ;)

Tim P.><<That's why as soon as I get a level 3 FFL I'm getting an M-14 rifle with a scope. That way if some thug starts some sh-t with me, I can pick 'em off at a distance.>> Dude, you don't NEED a liscense to own a M-14... it's just a regular rifle. Good choice of weapons, by the way. I'm personally leaning toward a supressed H&K and night vision for my home defense and plinking needs...

Later, all. And remember: Peace, Love, Dope.
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Dallas, TX
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:59:49 AM
IP: 209-223-253-152.ausa.net

*Emambu strolls in knowing full well that he should be studying for his computer science test tomorrow*

Sometimes, you have to take a break before you burn out. Yesterday, I called my parents back home in Philadelphia. Today, I'll make a post here (and at my other sites too). ;) Not much going on. like I said earlier, I'm still studying and will continue to study probably through the end of the week. Then the work will slowly lessen only to surge again right at the end of November and beginning of December (and the scary thing is that my workload is nothing compared to some of the others here). Let's get on to some replies...

Guandalug la'Fay: Thanks. I was always curious about the actual wording. BTW, is the archive simply being refined and updated or is it being moved to an entirely new space? I know I shouldn't be too concerned since I have no stories to my name here, but I am.

Firestorm: Xenomorphs eat nice people. Remember that god-awful movie "Alien: Resurrection?" The security guard, who was the nicest one of the group, died at the end. He wasn't eaten true, but his head was still crushed. The end result is the same. :)

Warpmind: Yeah, yeah you were right *grumbles something unintelligible* Anyway, thanks for posting the link. :)

Caliope: "La noche de los Lapices?" That name sounds really familiar. I think my HS spanish teacher recommended it to us sometime last year. *Shrugs* Hopefully, my spanish teacher next semester will show us a few good films. :) *hugs* Don't worry about the test. It's just one, and you sound like you understand the class. You'll probably get A+'s the rest of the way. :)

Christine: Those sculptures are great! Very realistic.

Daniel Johnson: I know it's probably too late to really mean anything, but I offer my condolences for your mother regardless. taking care of aloved one with dementia is always hard. It was hard for me having to take care of my Grandmother over the summer who is battling with it (but is too stubborn to admit it). It didn't help any when she broke her leg, immobilizing her for several months. She's not in a nursing home now but she may be heading there. Just remember, you did the right thing, painful as it may be. However, you are right in that last sentence. In a country where we have the ability to ease the suffering of our citizens, it's a crime to see someone waste away. I wish you the best of luck with the whole ordeal.

Mary: Thanks, but the local blockbuster doesn't carry anime (except for Pokemon videos *shudder*). Also, there's no anime store near the campus (unless Archwolf knows something that I don't since he's familair with the area). Guess it's magazine shopping for me. *reads rant* Maybe you should show proof that your incense isn't toxic to the birds if your mother is that concerned. You could go to the small bathroom with the birds, light the incense, and give it a few minutes. If nothing happens then that should be enough tangible evidence to convince your mother that there's no danger. I hope your situation is resolved swiftly and peacefully.

Doug: Does your store have any sort of tests or required perquisites before it hires people? I mean, every job has it's share of incompetent workers. I could give you a lot of stories about some of the people I worked with over the summer, but you seem to be getting the short end of the stick. First, Holder and now these two jokers. *shakes head* it certainly makes the void left over from Charles's passing seem that much bigger. I hope everything settles down for you soon. Also, like I said in my e-mail, I'll try and limit the questions to about one or two a week (though I may not get any in this week for reasons already stated). Thanks again for letting me know what would have happened between Matt and Nikki.

Brooklyn: Thanks again for the e-mail. I hope to hear from you soon

Gside: Yeah, Erik Estrada may be kind of a joke now, but I'm more interested in the character he played then the actor that he's become. Also, I don't think we have any room to add more songs, but we are doing some a really sweet version of Ave Maria as well as a French piece called March of the Kings. Good luck with any tests, papers, projects, etc that you have coming up.

Lady Ariana: Good luck with the debate. I hope you're selected.

Nadia: have a happy Thanksgiving!

SOROW: *big hug* That's just not right. I cannot begin to fathom the selfishness of your mom. First, she is angry at you, you're not sure why and she won't tell you. Then, rather then keep it a private affair she has to go out and publicly humiliate you. That's what really shocks me. I can't think of anything that you could have done that warrented such a response. *Gives SOROW another big hug* Always know that you are special, and that you will always have support here if you need. And if your mom does not come around eventually, then it is her loss in the long-run.

Winterwolf: Grrr... you're no help (j/k ;)), and no else even attempted to answer my question. *Shrugs* Guess I'll just have to provide my own explanation, which means no one's allowed to complain when they read it. You all had your chance. :) Just a note, it depends on who you go to your high school dance with. My sophmore dance was the only memorable one because my best friend was there and I got to go with a girl who I had a small crush on at the time. *Sees that Winterwolf is passing off the last bit as a coincidence* Yeah... that's what it was... a coincidence.. right. :) Also, I'm really sorry but I might not be able to make it to Dreamie's birthday party. :( Thursday's going to be my busiest night this week. I'll try to pop in for a few minutes, but I apologize in advance if I can't. Lastly, thanks for the e-mail. I was about to ask you for Shadowrider's address but you beat me to the punch. I'll send out a letter this weekend. BTW, is that his full mailing address?

Jaden: Best of luck to you in Korea. I hope we hear from you soon.

Niamhgold: Glad to hear you were able to get out over the weekend. Best of luck with any upcoming work although I'm sure you will do fine. :)

Dreamie: Happy birthday! Yes I'm early but like I said above, I might not make it, so I'm wishing you a joyous one now. ;)

Spike: ... and me without anything good to submit to fanfiction.net *shrugs* Oh well.

Gathering: *sigh* I'm still arguing with my parents over why I should be allowed to travel west for next years Gathering. Their current argument is that I'm too far from any relatives in case something happens. I'd like to go this year, so any convincing points you may have will be really helpful. :)

Archwolf: Good to hear from you! Try not to let real life interfere too much with your fun. :)

Lynati: Welcome to the CR! Gald to see that your name holds a meaning for you. Mine holds one for me too though it's pretty unoriginal. :) Enjoy your stay. I'd ask you stick around and post some more but you seem to be filling that role nicely. ;) j/k

I think that's it. *sigh* back to work (which really stinks because I'd much rather read the new Pendragon episode). Wish me luck on my programming quiz tomorrow. The last one was hard (over half the classed failed, including me though I'm 100% on my actual programs- the majority of the grade), so I'll need all the luck I can get. :) Take care, (once again, I apologize for any typos)

---Emambu
Emambu - [emambu@commandchamber.net]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:56:54 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

****Kyryn steps back in.****

Gentlebeings,

TGS now presents for your reading pleasure...

Iris, Lily, and Rose

Written by Alan Coleman Waltrip, Rahsaan Footman, and Todd Jensen

Story Idea by Rahsaan Footman

Artwork by Christi Smith Hayden

Around and around and around we go....

***Kyryn ducks aside to avoid the rush.***
Kyryn - [<<----clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:41:42 AM
IP: denm4-29.iglobal.net

**Winterwolf runs in for a quickie**

Lynati> Welcome! I forgot to mention the wolves like to be feed! **shows a picture of Warfrost messily devouring DC** J/K <visual aids> Visual aids are unnecessary for me. The special effects in my head are much better! ^_^ <name> It almost sounds like you are a society like the Illuminati! ;)

Bye bye and Good night!

**Winterwolf is gone**
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:32:11 AM
IP: 206.15.120.143

***lynati sees Tom lehrer reference, is forced to comment***
smut I don't know; is that on "The remains of Tom Lehrer" box set that I keep hearing about?
..I dunno, I've always been kind of partial to "We will all go together when we go". He's just so cheery when he sings...
I do love Poisoning Pigeons in the park, though. (no pun intended). It was the first song I ever heard by him.

Lynati
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:12:53 AM
IP: 208.12.249.253

**Winterwolf enters**

Hi gang! Getting things together for the trip to my friend's wedding this weekend. It's going to be fun, but there are plenty of last minute details making me run around! :P

Gside> <referring by last names> So you are going to be Scully's new partner? Wait, that's been filled already. Maybe you tried for the role? :) <a picture isn't required on Jersey licenses. That got my mother into a bunch of trouble once> If that isn't a setup for a story I don't know what is! Take it away Gside! ^_^

Dreamie> <ruffles Winterwolf's hair> Oh no! **Winterwolf's hair gets all messy so he quickly brushes it to fix it and make it fluffy again** <silly> You know me! That reminds me! See directly below:

**Final Announcement to Party**

Dreamie's birthday is Tuesday, October 10. I'm throwing a little online party for her and you are all welcome to join. The party starts at 8:15 PM EST and will last for at least one hour probably two. It will be held at http://www.talkcity.com/chat/ in the room Dreamie. Please stop by and have some fun! ^_^

**End Announcement**

Caliope> <fun fun fun> lol! Well I'll be ready to stay out and party all night long with you then! It's not difficult to find fun at just about anytime of the day or night on the weekends! ^_~
<Roswell> **SPOILER** This last episode was good! OMG! You were right about the new waitress! I thought she was bad but she really is one of those evil alien skins! Tess is getting a little more bearable, but she is still getting in the way of Max and Liz even if it is inadvertently. I wonder if Max will be working at the UFO center anymore or not? He seemed to be on good terms with that new guy after they talked. I wonder how much money the other guy was paid to sell out? Do you think this is a ruse and he isn't what he seems, that being a loony alien abductee with money? It was a funny how Max was scared by the guy in the storage room and made him wonder about that energy field he made. The "energy field" (as I will refer to it) was pretty cool, I wonder what it can do. The interaction between Kyle and Tess is interesting. Maybe the will make it easier for Max and Liz. Poor Maria! I think Michael is starting to realize he misses her but I see Isabel is starting to jump to his defense. What do you think Cali? **SPOILER** ^_^

Aaron> <archive> Hey Aaron! The archive is at http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/index.html

Lynati> Welcome! Enjoy your time here! I can see you have posting fever! :)

Archwolf> Hi! Good to see you stop by! Have you or WarFrost been nibbling on Mecord again? He's been out for a while! ;)

Gside> Ah! Scour Exchange! The joys of the internet! ^_^

******BFTS RP******

While DPH examines the map Frost thinks a moment then asks, "How am I shielded though? I don't remember having this before. Do you think Shadow did this to protect me? How would I turn it off or get rid of it?" Thinks to himself I have strong mental abilities... Then he reminds himself not to confuse himself with Winterwolf. He is not Winterwolf. He's better!

******END BFTS RP******

Time for me to go to sleep! Good night!

**Winterwolf leaves**

Winterwolf - [<- Link to party! ^_^]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:11:07 AM
IP: 206.15.120.143

*Robby comes into the CR and yawns* Wow, I just spent the last 8 hours writing for TGS, doing homework, and playing my brand new Rom of a 98% translated version of Pokemon Silver. (Only some the rarer attack effects are still untranslated.) I gotta say... Whatever opinion you might have about pokemon, the games are daaaamn addictive.

Anyway, on the issue of collecting sanity... That used to be Deuce's hobby, then his job when we both became CR Admins. After he left all his responsibilities turned over to me, (except for posting episodes, that went to Kyryn). As far as the sanity taking responsibility, I gave that to Wilek because like Deuce, he enjoyed it as a pass time. *Shrugs* He's in charge of it now, I dunno... WIlek, can we get a ruling?
Robby
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:05:49 AM
IP: spider-wq051.proxy.aol.com

Spare sanity > if there's any left over, please give it to Igor ... I'm planning to sew it all together and zap it with a bolt of lightning and see what happens ; )

Christine
Monday, October 9, 2000 11:53:29 PM
IP: 15-116.009.popsite.net

Gundalug> Is there anything you can do to speed up the loading of the author list? Or has that been done already?

Warpmind> <<I. Will. Not. Respond. To. Any. Attempts. To. Call. Me. By. My. Last. Name>>: I apologize. I did not know this was a sore spot for you. You had just been talking about how flexible you were in addresses to which you respond. And I have nearly always been referred to my last name, and therefore associate no malice to it (compounded by the fact that both my parents have been employed at my school, and I have been sourrounded by people constantly using my last name). Again, I apologize.
<>: I know, but this is rather soon after my discussion of the place of techies in the fandom, and my placement therein.

Cal�ope> <<If only I could find those types>>: Which is why I love my network. Within the past twenty four hours or so (after I installed scour exchange), I have downloaded the first season of Ranma (eighteen episodes?) dubbed (male Ranma sounds like a girl), some of season five (they were on a very nice server), and the first twenty six episodes of Slayers (except #13, odd that) subbed. That's 1.85 Gigs. So much fun.

Aaron> <<What's the archive addy again?>>: There's a link under http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/ That way I only have to remember to add cr/ to the main TGS site.

Welcome Lynati.

Shinigami> <<who collects the spare sanity around her anyway?>>: Isn't that part of Robby's job? But Wilek seems to have dibs on the collection for further uses.

Archwolf> It's good to see you in here again.
<<All posts remain until the admin decides to wipe the CR>>: And there is still the archive.

Revel> <<For or next trick in Typography we are creating (drum roll) the 27th letter. What is?>>: I suggest you find a Linguistics text. They have all fun sorts of extra letters. Like eth. Or the representation of a glottal stop. Or you could look in the back of Lord of the Rings for Tolkien's rune charts.

In pennance for my greivous error, I have uploaded three mp3s. One for Warpmind, and two in honor of Mrs. Morgan's contributions to the world of fanfiction. You may now find, all by Tom Lehrer, Poisoning Pigeons in the Park, Oedipus Rex, and Smut. And I do believe that they all to obey the CR rules.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, October 9, 2000 11:40:11 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

***Kyryn steps in quickly***

Working on getting the new ep up, folks. Got some minor technical delays on this end. (sounds on banging on computer and cursing follow)

Lynati> Welcome! In a comment room most people check in and post only once or twice a day, sometimes only once or twice a week. They are usually not online and constantly updating the room like a chat room would. Our room administrator will reset the room each Saturday night. The previous room is then archived and can be accessed from the top of the page. Theoretically (providing something doesn't crash), you could come to the room on Saturday and respond to posts all the way back to almost two weeks ago. I hope that clears things up.

***Kyryn steps out to bang on the computer again, but she'll be back!***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, October 9, 2000 11:37:39 PM
IP: denm4-29.iglobal.net

> Lynati pops up again<
wow! this is so easy! and fun..
swiss chees wood, eh? kind of like; "this is your body,
this is your body on bullets. ant questions?"
visual aides are definately required in this generation...because of TV, many of us have lost our abilities to "imagine'.
(not me...but only because the stories in my head are better than most programmming nowadays, and always accessable...)
...what was my point?
Oh! yeah, I was agreeing with your point about the effectiveness of demonstrations vs. just telling kids what not to do and expecting them to comprehend. Here's hoping that someone will tip off the general population about this.

Lynati
Monday, October 9, 2000 10:45:18 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Ah, break time.
For or next trick in Typography we are creating (drum roll)
the 27th letter. What is? Heck, I don't know, but it sounds like fun.

Gun control- Well this is where my Texas heritage gets the better of me. We're not allowed to have guns on campus, which is a good thing, but when I was 12 my father took my brother (14) and I out to the woods to teach us how to use guns. Now before you start air guitaring a banjo, let me explain.
He belived that he best way to teach us how dangerous and deadly guns were he showed us. It gives you a hole new respect for them when you pick of a block of wood that is now swiss cheese. I think once again this is an area where educating would be more effective than sheltering or banning.
Welcome newbies- (door makes a clicking sound)
won't you stay for a while
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, October 9, 2000 10:21:58 PM
IP: spider-wg014.proxy.aol.com

>Lynati (AKA Lynati the uninformed) blinks<
THANK YOU for clearing that up.

Lynati
Monday, October 9, 2000 08:41:32 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

*archwolf stumblse in dressed in fencing gear, dripping with sweat. Warfrost, starved, attacks and devours DC very Messily* ARGH! Tat time of year already. Been soooo busy fencing and learning (and Pledging Sigma Tau Gamma) that I have not been able to check in. I have way to much to catch up on.

First: Thanks for keepin in touch Katara. I just don't have the time to reply.

Next> Hey all newbies. *Attacks newbies with Sanity Sucker* Eh. Low yeild on that one.

Lynati><<What's the difference?>>Hmm...Chat rooms are real time. Comment Room is not. All posts remain until the admin decides to wipe the CR (Normally saturday night, i think)

Jaden> I know it's just a _bit_ late, but welcome back. GOod luck in Korea.

Everyone else> Hi. Hope all is well for all. *beeping is heard* Nuts. I gotta get back to *shudder* real life. *Runs screaming out the door*
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Monday, October 9, 2000 08:14:43 PM
IP: viking202-88.dhcp.csuohio.edu

>Grins Broader<
Sure you can keep me...but i'm afraid i haven't any sanity to spare.
Have you ever "met" another with my name? It has meaning for me, and I would like to believe it unique, but there could be dozens of other "lynati's" running about and i wpould never know.
Lynati
Monday, October 9, 2000 08:03:13 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

>Lynati speaking very small<
Sorry. I wasn't aware there was a difference
...what is the difference?
(whines to herself)I hate feeling stupid...
>smiles< I thank you for the welcome.

Lynati
Monday, October 9, 2000 08:00:15 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Lynati:: Cute name... can we keep you? Just remember to leave your sanity with-

hey, who collects the spare sanity around her anyway?

Aaron:: Now.. if *SOMEONE* posted here a little more often, he'd have no need to catch up now would he? Hmm? ^_^

Then again, I suppose that could go for me as well...

Shinigami - [<--My page. Update pending.]
Monday, October 9, 2000 07:59:34 PM
IP: spider-tr012.proxy.aol.com

Welcome, Lynati - but, this isn't a chat room. It's a comment room.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, October 9, 2000 07:48:13 PM
IP: 216.87.40.245.dialup-stl.primary.net

>Lynati peeks in?<
"....."
whoa. so _this_ is what a chat room looks like. Would you believe this is my first time in one? I mean, I've read in them before, but never had the guts to...
Nevermind. Love this place. worship worship worship.
>gets embarassed, flees<
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Kansas City, Mo, USA
Monday, October 9, 2000 07:15:00 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

DPH:<<I, also, believe that every owner of a gun SHOULD be accountable for the actions of that gun. I mean, that if some idiot leaves his gun where you can see it from the outside and someone steals it and commits a crime with that gun, the owner of the gun is responsible the actions of that gun.>>

So by that logic, I could steal your car, mow down a bunch of innocent people with it, and then YOU would go to prison.

Well, I'm relieved. There's this mime school I've been itching to wipe off the face of the planet. ;)

<>

Yeah, so what is your point? Criminals will always have acces to those guns. Gun control would only keep these firearm out of the hands of law abiding people like you and me. Why are you worried about me owning a assualt rifle? I'd be worried about all those criminals who have them.

In related news: Last night on "The Man Show", Rosie O'Donnel fell down a well and they couldn't get her out because of her "enourmous girth". In order to prevent this accident from happening again, they had to fill the well with cement... with Rosie still in it.

I couldn't keep myself from applauding. : )

I'm found some Stats that can help us clear things up with the Social Security/Wealthfare discussion we had earlier. I'll be back when I find them.
Tim P.
Monday, October 9, 2000 07:06:26 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

**RP RELATED**
Suprise. Suprise. Suprise. The BFTS RP is conducting a poll to determine which plotlines are the favorites of the readers. Click on my name to vote. All members of this room are invited (and should be able) to vote.

Other news, RP-wise. I am looking for some help on defining what ITAG's organizational chart looks like and ITAG typically does on a day-to-day basis
**END RP RELATED**

I would commit to going to G2001 for definite but there are things beyond my direct control [back problems/settlement and where I will be working] that could prevent me from going. If/When I attend the gathering, you will know me who I am by my clothing.

Gun control - I am balanced on this one. If someone was to shoot of my relatives, I would want the police to be able to track down who owned the gun that shot the relative. I, also, believe that every owner of a gun SHOULD be accountable for the actions of that gun. I mean, that if some idiot leaves his gun where you can see it from the outside and someone steals it and commits a crime with that gun, the owner of the gun is responsible the actions of that gun. I do not see the necessity of having a rapid fire gun in your house. I am willing to beat that if you are approached with one of those guns, odds are that the person has more ammo than you.

**BFTS RP continues**
*DPH's house*
DPH said to Frost, "Normally, people see images. You have a mental shield that prevents you from transmitting and recieving images. It is good because it protects you AND bad because it limits you.

Frost said, "I think I understand."

DPH says, "Let's look at my map and figure out where we should fight NCA at."

Meanwhile, outside DPH's house, a member of the Speed Stars watches to see when DPH leaves his house.
**END BFTS RP for now**

DPH - [<--click here to vote]
AR, USA
Monday, October 9, 2000 06:08:08 PM
IP: max1-54.cwy.cei.net

I know I say this every week, but I like to be repedative to get my point across.

If anyone is looking needs a roommate for the LA Gathering Warpmind and I are look for any takers. The thing is I called the hotel today and you have know how many people you are going to have in a room before you reserve. (thats's after you filter through their reservation babble) I'm aiming for three, but we'll take four if there are any takers.
Contact either myself or Warpmind and we'll get organized.

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, October 9, 2000 05:02:54 PM
IP: spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com

No prob Caliope
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, October 9, 2000 03:15:05 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-6.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*peeks in*

Warpmind> Sure thing, you'll be warned before I stop the story-adding, and you'll be informed after the archive switched. Already have all the pages that _query_ the database (except the search - that one will take a bit longer, maybe will even be delayed 'til after the switch).

Big work is a) to properly recode all those Top-10-Lists to fit into the design and b) to handle the secure part with story-adding, deleting and changing.

I'm more than halfway through all those top 10s now.... (not counting the ones in the large textfile)

*dashes out again, loosing some PHP-code-fragments here and there*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Monday, October 9, 2000 03:04:28 PM
IP: dial-142132.hrz.uni-dortmund.de

Hey, guys. Trying to catch up. What's the archive addy again? Thanks.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, October 9, 2000 01:47:08 PM
IP: 216-86-10-122.caprock.net

Naimhgold- Thanks a bunch!!

To room: I'm working on a fanfic for halloween- and independant thing, and it should be up in time for my favorite holiday. I also am working on an orginal piece that will be up also for halloween- all post links in here when I am done. ^_^

Mars2158 should be out this weekend!

jenna
Monday, October 9, 2000 12:02:48 PM
IP: 192.245.189.3

Helloooo :)

James> Ah, thats so much for the review of the angel ep! Hope I dont miss tomorrows ep, it looks good :)

Gside><<If you remember the name, tell me.>> lol will do! If only I could find those types, but I havent seen them (along with many other things) since I moved.:P I could ask one of my otaku friends, they might know. :)

Winterwolf> <<touring>> Yey!!! I enjoy fun fun fun!!! :P <<roswell>> I know! But still, I'd haveta watch it anyways or I'd die of coriosity! :P

Meep!!! Gotta go! Late again! *rushes out hugging all*
Caliope
Monday, October 9, 2000 10:32:44 AM
IP: 136.145.83.178

** Niamhgold enters quickly **

Jenna: Go here, to Agammemon's Castle: http://www.gargoyles.ch/episode/s2ae.html

Adios!
Niamhgold
Monday, October 9, 2000 09:28:13 AM
IP: 206.41.204.68

Help!!

I'm looking for pics from Eye of the Beholder- I have looked in both this archive and avalon, and haven't found any! I'm looking specifically for the pic where goliath is fighting Fox as the werefox- can anyone help???

jenna - [theamazingjenna@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 9, 2000 09:09:57 AM
IP: 204.31.87.55

*Warpmind enters, whistling cheerfully.*

Spike: Am I to assume they don't want works from those of us who are only "published" in the GFW archive?

Mary: You can't go? Aw... :( (By the way, my folks think it's pretty ridicolous, too, but since it's my money, and I am old enough to make my own decisions, well, aside from frowning upon my plans, there's not a damn thing they can do... hehehe...) Oh, and I don't think costumes are *mandatory*... ;)

Winterwolf: I'll let you know if and when, as soon as I know.

Tim: You want a .45? *Jaw trembles* Why settle for a pesky .45? I seem to recall reading somewhere that you can get .50 handguns (heavy as heck, but WHAT a hole they make...) these days, so... ]:) Oh, and I agree with you, by the way... Gun control is a bad idea. A better plan would be to do like they do in Switzerland: the use of firearms is mandatory education - every male in the country is required to have a gun in his house, in case of invasion. And while they're at it, Switzerland also has the lowest gun accident statistic in the world, because there's virtually *nobody* there who doesn't know how to handle a gun properly; most gun deaths there are intentional. ;)

Gside: Dude, I consider you a friend, so I'll give fair warning. I. Will. Not. Respond. To. Any. Attempts. To. Call. Me. By. My. Last. Name. This because I've been on the receiving end of a lot of foulmouthing in the educational system. And every instance (with few exceptions) has been initiated by someone hollering "Blomkvist!" after me. Thus, I rarely respond to my family name - first name is the only efficient way to make contact (be it given name or net handle) with me. Oh, and I wasn't directly referring to you to help Chris Rogers - it was aimed at anyone with the necessary competance (i.e. not you in this case, it seems).

Guandalug: Excellent. I'm still working on my fics, so... (a bit of gargoyles-related writer's block - on the bright side, I've gotten a few chapters of my book about Jason Evermore done, as well as a few more rules for the RPG system I'm working on...) Presumably, you'll notify the lot of us who have stories in the archive, when the whole thing comes down upon our heads, right? ;)

Well, that's about it... just a small pun I suddenly came upon in the Morganverse... Birdie Yale has a criminal record, right? So, that *would* mean she's a Jailb... *Warpmind gets yanked out of the CR by an unidentifiable energy ribbon before he can finish.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, October 9, 2000 07:53:40 AM
IP: mp-217-216-66.daxnet.no

*steps out of the shadows, juggling with pieces of PHP and HTML code*

Hi there. Didn't want to tell this too early (didn't want to make any false promises) but it seems I need to comment on the Fanfic Archive now before anyone starts panicking:

I know that Chris Rogers needed help with the archive, and I offered my small abilities. So right now I am recoding the archive (internally mostly, the basic design will stay the same). There won't be any lost stories (at least I certainly hope so), but backing up your stories could be a good idea - I cannot guarantee a perfect switch to the new database.

I'll do my very best to update the archive as quick and safe as possible. A short information: There will be a timespan in the near future where during about 2 weeks no new stories will be allowed to be entered. That will be a sign that I am actually adding the existing stories to the new database.

*sighs and turns back to the code fragments* Keep in line, will you. And you *points at a small piece of code* are NOT the first but the LAST piece. Back! To the end of line! GO!

*disappears into the shadows, still mumbling*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Monday, October 9, 2000 04:10:37 AM
IP: nx7.hrz.uni-dortmund.de

:::ruffles Winterwolf's hair with a laugh:::
Heh, you silly little Wolfie!
:::huggles:::
^_^
Dreamie
Monday, October 9, 2000 01:57:27 AM
IP: spider-tj051.proxy.aol.com

Warpmind> <<ever seen "Holy Man"?>>: Yup, though I have rarely been called solely by just the letter. Perhaps the oddest reference to me was "G-side to the west side." Pronounced rather like "G-si to tha wes si."
<<I'll most likely answer to both Warpmind and Marius>>: What about Blumkvsit? Or however it's spelled. Of course, that would probably be just me seeing my odd affinity to refering to people by their last names.
<<SOMEONE PLEASE help Chris Rogers with the code>>: I told you I only know simple SQL. I really have no idea how to integrate with webpages. We completely skipped that part of the project by going with Oracle, and they didn't even teach it.

SOROW> <<I'm suppose to go to the fair tomorrow. I hate cold weather>>: White turtleneck. Or isn't that good for you... Anyway, best of luck.

Winterwolf> <<[Shadowrider] extends his warmest wishes to everyone here as well>>: Well, I'd say we all wish him well right back
<<Maybe we should switch?>>: Perhaps once I don't need a picture on my license anymore. That's right, a picture isn't required on Jersey licenses. That got my mother into a bunch of trouble once.

Sev. Jr.> <<maybe [Entity] and I could be the token liberal and conservative of the CR, respectively>>: I really think the Baron deserves the conservative roll. Or maybe you could take over once it stops dealing with the economy.
<<dad in ALF was played by Max Wright>>: I just said that. But did you know he's gotten another TV gig now?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, October 9, 2000 01:55:54 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

**Winterwolf stops in for a correction**

Doh! I made a boo boo! Dreamie's birthday party is at http://www.talkcity.com/chat/

Room - Dreamie

Never mind the previous url!

Sorry!

**Winterwolf takes off**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Monday, October 9, 2000 01:54:10 AM
IP: 206.15.120.141

*Nothing important* Ruby Eyes is the probaby the weirdest Timedancer story I've ever read *GONE to bed IRL*
James Birdsong
Monday, October 9, 2000 12:56:42 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-110.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Oh for crying out loud...see what happens! I go away for a couple days, and you guys begin talking about abortion and gun control. I tell you, politics will be the death of us.

Is this election over already? Jesus, it seems as if it's been going on for a thousand million years. I can't wait till it's over, cause if it runs any longer it'll just ruin my thanksgiving.

But before I sign off for tonight, a couple things in the endless political debate:

Gun Control: Not gonna touch this one with a thousand foot pole.

RU486: I've only thought of one potential advantage of this pill. Now, I think I've made it known that I'm rabidly anti-abortion, but if this pill does work, than perhaps it means that people will use the standard abortion less, which means more abortion clinics will close down, which means less psychopathic idiots will blow those clinics up (and us law-abiding pro-lifers just loooooove those assholes. Nothing destroys a cause quicker than a zealot). So I'm anti-abortion, but if this helps stop the bombings, maybe that's a small consolation prize.
Of course, most abortions would be avoided if the man would just take the time to slip on a goddamn condom, but we all know how much of a sacrifice *that* is to ask.

Entity: Not to place labels, but maybe you and I could be the token liberal and conservative of the CR, respectively. ;)
Oh, and the dad in ALF was played by Max Wright, who isn't in Short Circuit, but I do know the actor you are thinking of, and they do look similar. I think ALF is perhaps a little better known, and I've heard that reference before in relation to Lieberman. Personally, I think it would have been a stroke of genius if Cheney had shown up for the debate last Thursday dressed as ALF. Now THAT would have been special. Shown he had a real sense of humor. Jesus, if he had done that, Bush would be up like, 30 points. Almost as much as if Bush had said he would have blown up the moon. ;)

And for those keeping count....the Redskins beat the Eagles today to bring their record up to 4-2. The win was thanks in part to the tremendous work of Darrell Green, who is 40 years old and still a buzzsaw on that field.
But I'm STILL not on their bandwagon. They win the Superbowl, then I'll be right back in the fan club ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, October 9, 2000 12:45:42 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Entity: Sarcasm noted, but do you seriously think that all gun enthusiest are beer swelling rednecks who would gun down some poor animal just for the hell of it? I don't like hunting either. I think its one of the poorest excuses for a sport that ever existed.

The reason I'm opposed to gun control because it onlt affects LAW ABIDING citizens. Do you seriously some gangbanger or rapist is gonna give up their guns? Hell no. The rest of us are left unprotected except for the police who *might* get their on time. Gun control for the most part provides a safer working for the criminals.

Still don't believe me? Then put a big sign on your front lawn that says "THIS IS A GUN FREE HOME! NO GUNS ALLOWED IN THIS HOUSE!"

Me? I'd much rather sleep comfortly in bed at night with a Colt 1911 .45 under my pillow. Sucker could crack an engine block!

And to those who think I don't need an "assualt rifle", I say this: As long as there's murderers, drug dealers, white supremist wackos, Hanson, and other thugs walk the streets armed with M-10 machinepistols and Kalashnikovs, I do. That's why as soon as I get a level 3 FFL I'm getting an M-14 rifle with a scope. That way if some thug starts some sh-t with me, I can pick 'em off at a distance.

"Yeah, try running for it @$$hole! You'll only die tired! .308 HOLES MAKE INVISIBLE SOULS!"

Well... That was strangely cathardic. : )

Some say I'm being redicullous. Paranoid even. A few would say I'm even a little crazy. ; ) But the tune away changes when the wolf is at your door.
Tim P.
Sunday, October 8, 2000 11:37:06 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

It's been a while since I've posted in here...

People wear costumes at sci-fi conventions because it's fun and it's one of the few places you CAN do it and not be looked at by everyone else as if you must be insane. Masquerades and cons go hand in hand... I can't imagine a con going on without one.

BTW, for all you folks saying "I wish the Gathering could come to my town," the Gathering 2002 is now open to bidding from all interested parties. Click on my name to visit the Gathering 2001 site for the details on how to bring the Gathering to your city.

Missing persons > Before anyone goes putting Merlin Missy on milk cartons... I have sent a note to Batya Levin, asking her to pass on word to Merlin Missy about the pending fanfic archive wipe if she has a current email address for her. Unfortunately, a lot of the people who helped get "Gargoyles" fandom off the ground back in the mid 1990s (such a long time ago, I know) have seemingly lost interest and faded away. Hopefully some of them can be brought back in with next year's Gathering in LA... 'cause it's going to be the biggest event for this fandom yet.

Regarding the free exercise of religion > Just IMO here... one of the compromises one must make when living rent-free with ones parents versus making a living on one's own is that the parents are going to set the rules to the house.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, October 8, 2000 10:33:51 PM
IP: ac8e46ff.ipt.aol.com

**Winterwolf walks into the CR**

Hi! I'm watching the Yankees right now! Winning 7 to 5! What happened to 6 to 0? :P Oh well the Mets already won! ^_^

**Announcements**
1. Dreamie's birthday is Tuesday, October 10. I'm throwing a little online party for her and you are all welcome to join. The party starts at 8:15 PM EST and will last for at least one hour probably two. It will be held at http://www.citytalk.com on channel Dreamie.
2. I got my first letter from Shadowrider! He is well and wants everyone to know that he will probably be able to post sometime next weekend. He mentions his biggest adjustment so far is the complete lack of privacy and the very early morning wake up. He also extends his warmest wishes to everyone here as well! ^_^
3. Just a reminder that I'll be away from Thursday, October 12 to Sunday, October 15. I'll be attending a wedding in Champagne Urbana.
**End Announcements**

Niamhgold> I'm psyched to hear you are having such a great weekend! ^_^ <fun things my friends and I did today> LMAO! I can just picture you popping up into view in a pirate hat! Arrgh matey! ;D <time> Enjoy the rest of your time! I say you certainly deserve it! ^_^

Dreamie> <covers eyes> Where did everyone go? :P **turns around to hug and kiss Dreamie**

Gside> <corrective lenses> Ha! My license says corrective lenses but I don't wear glasses. Maybe we should switch?

Warpmind> <flight stuff> LOL! Okay, just let me know then! <Diablo II> Ack! I'd be upset! :(

Christine> So far I'm loving the second book! I've read through the first half and I'm ready to read plenty more tonight! ^_^

Mary Flanders> <family difficulty> I understand. :(<Gathering> I think if you attend a Gathering it will rekindle you love of Gargoyles! :)

Fire Storm> <protective of personal info> I understand. If it makes you feel better awinterwolf is short for my Gathering tag name of Alan the Winterwolf. That's right my first name is Alan, which translates into wolf! :D

SOROW> <cold> **Gives a warming hug using his soft warm fur** Keep toasty! Even I like to feel nice and warm! ^_^

Good night! Link at the bottom is to the party on Tuesday!

**Winterwolf leaves for the night**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, October 8, 2000 10:22:12 PM
IP: 206.15.120.140

Just dropping in to say hello. It's really cold down here in Carrollton and I'm suppose to go to the fair tomorrow. I hate cold weather! I just know I'm catching a cold!
SOROW
Sunday, October 8, 2000 08:11:39 PM
IP: a020-0995.dll2.splitrock.net

**RP RELATED**
Let's see the list of things to get revenge on in RP: my dad and a certain company's management. It will be a few months at earliest before I get revenge on my dad in BFTS RP. Why so long? DPH's past is not relevant yet.

Brooklyn, you need to email me, Winterwolf, or the BFTS RP egroup for what to do with your character ASAP.
**END RP RELATED**

1+2=4 2+2=6
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, October 8, 2000 05:30:01 PM
IP: max1-5.cwy.cei.net

Christine> Apology accepted. **Probably no one cares but I'm gonna say this anyhow.. very old episode of Pendragon spoilers** Yes in my bordom I read another classic. Triangles. Elaine is the wife of Mr. Duval himself. The illuminati knows all about Arthur for sure. hehe **End Spoilers for episode you all have already read probably**
James Birdsong - [<- Also I wanted to show off the merfolk webpage I made]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, October 8, 2000 02:08:14 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-110.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Me again ...
New on my site -- lots of new pics in the Annex and Gallery, including some snapshots of very cool sculptures by Anneli! Sorry 'bout the delay.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, October 8, 2000 02:02:29 PM
IP: 14-101.009.popsite.net

I just read On Holiday part 2 again. It was long. Movie length not half hour episode length. So many things happened in it. No spoilers but those that haven't read it; should. The End
James Birdsong
Sunday, October 8, 2000 01:19:57 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-110.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Warpmind>Well, I'd love to go to the Gathering, but it takes place in June and I have graduation and Bahemut coming to visit. Plus, I wouldn't be able to visit anyway. My parents think a flight down to L.A. just for a convention of an animated series is rediculous. (btw, the one thing I never understood about conventions is why they have people who dress up like characters from the show. I can't see my parents wanting to accompany me for that. O.o) But other than the costume thing, I'd love to go. Maybe one day, we can have the Gathering in Sacramento. *hopes tramendously* I'm flattered you'd want to meet me! ^_^ I want to go to the Gathering to meet all the people I talk to, and soully for that reason. And maybe to see really cool drawings done by artists like Spike :) I'm afraid my obession for Gargoyles in shifting towards Ranma 1/2 since I can't watch the show anymore. :(
Mary Flanders
Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:13:00 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Peter> Oh okay. That makes sense. See the movie if you want
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:04:15 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-110.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Just a quick note to let you know I'm still hanging in there ... one of those weeks ... one of those _months_ come to think of ... anyway, cheers! ::waves::
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:01:44 PM
IP: 14-101.009.popsite.net

****DIGIMON SPOILERS****

James> (Note: I haven't seen the movie yet) If Willis did indeed get his twin digimon 7 years before the third act of the movie, then it is entirely possible that Gennai had no idea that they had gone to Earth along with the Koromon and Parrotmon.

****END SPOILERS****
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Kamloops, BC, Canada
Sunday, October 8, 2000 11:26:01 AM
IP: dial-153.ocis.net

Just passing this along from fanfiction.net -- two interesting things:
1) They've had a reporter contact them as part of a story of story he's doing about fanfiction and he's looking for fanfic authors in the San Francisco area to interview face-to-face.
2)Fanfiction.net is publishing its first anthology -- they're taking submissions for short stories and poetry. It would be a good opportunity to see your name in print and suport fanfiction.net!
Spike
Sunday, October 8, 2000 10:17:55 AM
IP: adsl-208-190-38-44.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

firest = first (punchs typo demon in the booger snoze)
James Birdsong
Sunday, October 8, 2000 10:07:22 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-110.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

(reads last week's postings to see if anyone answered my posts near the end) Ah I'm in luck. **Digimon movie Discussion. Spoilers possible** Peter> That's where you're wrong. The firest half of the movie took place before the Davis, Cody, and the other one or two joined. It was after the Dark Master were defeated. Also Willis got his twin digimon though his computer at same time as Kari and her brother**
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, October 8, 2000 10:05:18 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-110.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*Warpmind enters, eyes glowing a dangerous red.*
Arrrrrrrgh... DC's done it now...
*Warpmind flings up a Sabatti double-barreled shotgun and pumps both shells into DC, then uses the shotgun as a club to reduce DC to something even a DNA test will be incapable of identifying.*
DC has permanently ruined not one, not two but THREE Diablo 2 characters! ARGH! *Mutilates the smudges of DC a bit more.* Now, my present character better survive, or else... ]:(

Winterwolf: You know, I *might* be able to arrange for arrival in NY in the morning, and take a flight to LA in the evening... but I'll have to check flight schedules for that... :)

Gside: Out of sheer curiosity regarding your nicknames... ever seen "Holy Man"? ;)

Mary: Ack! You parental problems are partially familiar to me... my folks won't let me burn incense in the house, either... though, for a different reason - the scent makes them queasy. Personally, I find incense soothing, but I can't use it here... *sigh* at least I'm not being religiously impeded thus-wise... Hope your problems get straightened out soon, girl. (By the way, you comin' to the Gathering? I'd LOVE to meet you.) Oh, and as for the altar... I suppose you *could* try building one with your own two hands... a basic, crude altar isn't *that* hard to build, really. Just a slab of fairly smooth stone on a wooden pillar usually works fine, so long as you aren't planning on sacrificing living creatures. ;) But then again, I kinda doubt Wicca to be into animal sacrifices anyway, right? :)

Fire Storm: How you could have goofed that question? With sincerity and conviction? ;) Oh, and if you really wonder, my given name is Marius... but don't use it against me. ;)

Which reminds me... at the Gathering, I'll most likely answer to both Warpmind and Marius, if anyone's in doubt - no sweat. :)

Hey, the GFW notice has been up for some time - SOMEONE PLEASE help Chris Rogers with the code; the old code is AWFUL! I'm actually sad I can't be of any help, but when I find HTML complex enough as it is... :(

Well, I gotta scoot - I got some demon-massacres to attend to. And I visualize DC as being every single monster in Diablo 2 all the while... :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 8, 2000 07:14:35 AM
IP: mp-217-204-131.daxnet.no

Niamhgold> <<and have more than a thousand kids in the freshman population?>>: But if you get into the honors program and honors housing, you hardly notice them. And besides, with the partitioning of Rutgers, we are essentially five colleges (more if you count Newark and Camden).
<<dare I ask what the festivities shall consist of?>>: Ohk, not much, maybe a few games of scrabble to pass the time, and of course a couple million years of intense meditation.
<<rigging a vending machine so that, no matter what button you hit, you always get breath mints>>: But you'd need an EE to do that. Maybe even a CompE. Geez, this is looking ugly. Does the selection processor have a built in multiplexor to send the power to the motor? Does it send a code to a separate multiplexor in some inaccessible part of the machine? This is going to give me nightmares. Until I actually take the course.
<<I'm teaching the inner city kids how to paint murals on canvas>>: Another difficult task. Unless you glue the canvas to the wall first.

Mary Flanders> Best of luck dealing with your mother.
<<is incense toxic for birds?>>: Everything is toxic, taken in large enough quantities. I wouldn't expect it to kill anything at the first breath, though.

Fire Storm> <<It's SJ and Warpmind that I don't know about>>: Well, one is partially revealed by his email address, the other has stated his a couple times (once dealing with an impostor, other times in reference to vampires). I believe your first name is revealed in your website. What's up with the "cbcd," if I may ask?
<>: I come from a school where your social security number goes on almost every piece of homework. I've become rather lax on security. And after working with the paranoid guys in the army, too (I interned twice in Information Security).
<<WTF? I am 506" tall? Height 506>>: You want to know something crazy? Mine says nothing about corrective lenses. And nothing is in focus for me until about four inches away from my face. ("HT 6-01")
<<View Source of the Add CR page and you will see>>: Ah. But what is up with the ordering of the colors? It seems to jump all over the place. And what happened to pictures 1 through 99?
<<Multiply by about 200>>: I never said it wouldn't be a lot of typing. But you can copy and paste
case : return("http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/crpics/.jpg\" WIDTH=\"\" HEIGHT=\"\0"); break;
You could probably include the hundreds place to save a bunch of keystrokes. Heck, I don't think you even need case 0 or any of the breaks.
<>: Eh? If you really want to condense it, you could get away with five bits each. And I think it's more common to use eight bit ASCII. So what message would be 194 characters long?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, October 8, 2000 03:48:01 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Ok, I don't know if this is old news or what, but...

ALL FAN-FIC AUTHORS THAT USE THE GFW, GO TO MY LINK!

It appears that Chris Rogers is gonna NUKE the archive!
(His exact words were "Yes, I still want to NUKE
the whole thing.")

Here's the problem:

There are alot of authors that will probally be cut. Merlin Missy will probally be one of them. All the older fan-fic writers that have disappeared will have their works removed (I *THINK*. If I understand this correctly. Maybe I am wrong.)

I am e-mailing Chris Rogers to see if that is indeed the case and what is going on.

Does anyone have any major problems archiving their work already in the GFW? If you do not have a copy on you computer, there are alternative ways to download it besides copy-and-pasteing from the read story page.

And, most importantly...

DON'T YELL AT CHRIS ROGERS FOR THIS! You all know this is needed.
Fire Storm - [<---- GO HERE AUTHORS!]
Sunday, October 8, 2000 02:22:54 AM
IP: 05-067.008.popsite.net

Gside: <Actually they cut open a cow, put plastic where they cut, and now you can check out the contents of the cow's stomach>
Ick! I hope the next one isn't the end of a cow's large intestine.
<You know, it really surprised me to be in your mailing>
Ya, well, I ususally don't send out chain letters, but I liked this one when I recieved it from Coyote. Your name, I know. You've mentioned it a few times. It's SJ and Warpmind that I don't know about.
As for me... I am for some reason VERY protective of giving out any personal info on-line. Even my NAME! I know, not much can be done with just a first name, but still...
Hell, there are times that I feel so comfortable using "Fire Storm" as a name that it really throws me off guard when someone calls me by my real name. (G98 and G99, for example)
I am the Wizard they call... Tim. No, wait! Jeremy. Hmm... Is that right? (Looks at drivers license) Yep! Thats right! (WTF? I am 506" tall? Height 506)
<You know that many of the old manuscripts were written on lambskin>
Yeah, but it's so messy! Isn't the older parchement made of lambskin as well?
<And I don't see where you add the names to be put in the drop down menu.>
View Source of the Add CR page and you will see. As for the height and width, thats pretty easy. LM, when making the sites, plunked them all into the page. So they are right there if I need them.
As for the code... Aw damn... where did those files go? AH Found them!
case 116: return("http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/crpics/dx.jpg\" WIDTH=\"200\" HEIGHT=\"209\0"); break;
Multiply by about 200.

Binary: I had a really wierd dream last night. There was a woman that had Binary on her back. The really wired thing? I am pretty sure it said something. It was arranged in a grid of about 8x8. Each square in the grid had 3 rows of 8 binary character. Now, I know each binary letter only uses 2 rows, but I think it said something.

Warpmind: <Oh, and unless I get my chemistry wrong, the pH scale has the acids from 1-7, 7 as neutral, and then alcaloids from 7 and onward... but I do see your point... >
DAMN! Your right! How could I have goofed that badly?

Do you think it is right of a company to DEMAND that everyone gets direct deposit? Personally, I do NOT want a company I work for to have direct access to my bank account.
My company is trying to force me to get direct deposit. I REALLY do not want that!

Here are some GenCon pages that has some pretty cool pictures of Dragons. Hell, one of them even has a skeleton that shows how the wings are connected to the body!
http://www.wizards.com/gencon/GC2K/article.asp?id=f443
http://www.wizards.com/gencon/GC2K/article.asp?id=t910
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, October 8, 2000 01:34:17 AM
IP: 05-067.008.popsite.net

10th!

real post tomorrow, if work doesn't get the best of me. :)

---Emambu
Emambu
Sunday, October 8, 2000 01:30:04 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

I don't care what number I am.

Top 10!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame]
Sunday, October 8, 2000 01:07:58 AM
IP: 05-067.008.popsite.net

***WARNING! RANT AHEAD!!***

AAARRRGGHHHH!!! It's can be so frustrating living in my house!!! I have been Wiccan for well over a year now, but have been barely able to do any rituals, spells, chants or what-have-you. Why do you ask? My B***h @ss mother refuses to let me do any of that!!! I asked her if I could have an alter in my room, and she looks for some excuse to keep me from having one! *pounds head on wall* You may think my mother is anti-pagan, but she's not. She's anti-RELIGIOUS. This I think stems from her father's family, who I heard never liked anything religious. I remember her telling me my great-grandfather p*ssed of his new mother-in-law (a woman who was rather religious) by arranging it so that she would walk in on him playing poker with his sons and smoking cigarres (my grandfather was smoking too. And he wasn't even 6 yet!! I think he might of been 3 or 5...) My mom is an Aetheist and my father is a...hmmm...well...he's I guess Christian, but he hasn't gone to church in _decades_. He doesn't approve of swearing (something he got from my paternal grandparents), so you can imagine how he feels when I say f**k. We have absolutely NO religious things in the house, except the bibles of my great-grandfather and a few dead relatives (but we keep those for centimental value. plus their around 100 years old).

I ask my mom why I can't have an alter in my room, and she says, "Why do you need these things? You know that people just say you need them so you can buy them and they make money off of you." and she says, "Why do you need to do a ritual? Can't you just believe in the same thing and pray?" I'm not allowed to burn incense, candles, have statues, or do spells or rituals in my room. If I want to do ANY of that, I have to do it in my _very_ small bathroom. The damn room isn't big enough for a single thing!!! >.< BTW, is incense toxic for birds? I have two pet birds, but I can move them into the bathroom where they are far away from the smell, and I can air out my room after I'm done with a ritual and before I'd bring them back in. My mother says incense is toxic for them and could kill them. Why do I have a hard time believing that? I know for a fact she won't let me because she went to Berkley in the 60's and had one or two roommates who burned incense. That was INDIAN incense damnit!!! I want to burn the other kind of incense that acually smells nice and doesn't give you a headache!!!! Also, she says that I can't light candles because a spark could cause my (flammable) carpet to catch fire and I would die. SHE lights candles over the SAME carpet when she watches her mysteries on TV (or when my dad farts real bad. >:P)!!! >>.<<

She says she won't let me do anything paganish until I move out into my own place and pay my own rent!!! Damn her!!! Just damn her to the Underworld where little Oni minions can poke her in the @ss with hot iron rods and put her through more torture than I can think of!!! *curses at the top of my lungs and stomps around for a bit fuming*

***End OF RANT***

Sorry about that. Family can be a pain in the @ss no matter who they are, where they're from, how far away they are, or what kind of control over your life they have.
Mary Flanders
Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:22:46 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

TOP TEN!!! SIXTH OR SEVENTH!!!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:13:25 AM
IP: 24129160hfc185.tampabay.rr.com

<bounces in and covers Wolfie's eyes> Sixth!
^_^
Dreamie
Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:11:37 AM
IP: spider-we073.proxy.aol.com

Top Ten!! Fifth! ^_^
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:10:10 AM
IP: 206.15.120.145

4th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:06:01 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

I guess that makes me 2nd (and/or third, whatever!)
Niamhgold
Saturday, October 7, 2000 11:54:55 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

Top 10! ^_^
Wilek
Saturday, October 7, 2000 11:54:00 PM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

** Niamhgold enters **

Hi, all! I'm in a great mood today...maybe it's because the weather's nice, maybe it's because I've got the place to myself, or maybe it's because I spent two days out on the town with my best buds this weekend! (And I've got four more days off; I love how Fall Break coincides with my non-class days!).

Gside: <State university> Nah, and have more than a thousand kids in the freshman population? We have three hundred, a good number, and only 210 live on campus. Besides, the restaurants aren't open on weekends (I say restaurants instead of cafeteria because we have no cafe; instead, the school cut a deal with five local restaurants to provide us with food on the weekdays (there's the Pizzeria, the sushi place, the health food restaurant, the italian place, and the pretty-much-everything-else place)). On a different note: Friday the 13th is this week (as I'm sure you're aware); dare I ask what the festivities shall consist of? ;)

Winterwolf: Hang in there, buddy! I bet the company will see how loyal you are and promote you to boss (and then _you'll_ be assigning _others_ a huge workload!) ** Hands him a cup of destressing chamomile tea ** :D Ooh, ooh, have fun at the wedding! That actually reminds me of some fun things my friends and I did today...funny, once you go to art school you can do random things and just excuse it as being a "conceptual art piece." My friend Colin walked up to a bride, just after she got married (and after Michelle, Gabe, Reuben, and Thryn (just think of it as Kathryn without the "Ka-") had unsuccessfully tried to hold his six-foot butt back), and started talking to her like he was her scandalous and non-plussed lover. It's funny to see how the groom reacted--his face went from red, to blue, to almost white; he almost decked Collin :D After that, he and Gabe started picking up bricks and walking after people asking, "Did you drop this?". For my feat of the day, Thryn and I walked on the wooden planks at the harbor, which are three feet below the stone walkway, and every time tourists tried to take pictures against the water we would bounce up from below with our pirate hats on. Next up on the list? Well, it has to do with rigging a vending machine so that, no matter what button you hit, you always get breath mints (and Collin's rigging a recording camera to catch every patron's reactions) ;P

Pendragon: Whoa, awesome! Great job, guys!

DPH: Management. Blach. RP 'em!

Spacebabie: <Cybersix goblins> You noticed that, too! It's insane :) Then again, one _does_ notice how the Ghostbuster's dogs looked a lot like Bronx...

GB: Kick @ss on the new job! It sounds like fun! I don't make much, but, then again, I'm teaching the inner city kids how to paint murals on canvas (as opposed to parking garages, etc. Heh, leave those areas up to the art students, I guess ;))

Nadia: Happy Thanksgiving! :)

SOROW: Best wishes, I feel for you :( ** Triplicate Hugs **

Lady Ariana: Congrats on lucky 23!

Adios for now!
Niamhgold
Saturday, October 7, 2000 11:53:24 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

*SCREECH!!**

Top ten!!!
Coyote the Bando
Saturday, October 7, 2000 11:50:29 PM
IP: 216.28.101.84