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All right, pals, time to goodbye...

Winterwolf:> Glad you liked our Oath...and I didn't know you to have some knowledges of Italian...:).
I'll try to give my news as soon as possible, goodbye until then.

And, naturally, goodbye to everyone here. I'll try to post again next time they'll send me in licence (what I don't know when will happen...).
See you all next time!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:03:06 AM
IP: h255-20-58.mi2.albacom.net

Sorry about the anonymous thing, my finger slipped. I can understand why some people hate these ergonomic keyboards.

Have a lot of nervous energy I'm using up. So I thought I'd drop by here.

Movies> If you're looking for something really hilarious to watch, I'd recommend 'Best in Show'. It's is definately intelligent funny. I've heard a lot of ill things about 'Bedazzled' so 'Best in Show' might just clear your palatte for something good. Funniest guy there is the announcer.

TV> I can't believe I miss a Batman episode with babelicious Talia. Ahhhh! I hope they play it on rerun this Friday.

Anime> A question to the anime fans in the room. What do you know about Blue Submarine #6. Seems like Cartoon Network is going to show it as a miniseries in two weeks.

Also, something I forgot to mention, when folks talk about poor dubbed jobs and American censors. What about are opinions about the movie channels showing anime movies. For a month now, is seems Showtime and Cinemax have been showing anime movies, Vampire Hunter D, Ghost in the Shell, etc. Granted it's on in the predawn hours when only me and God are awake, but it might be worth looking around for them.

Well, I've got to go. Toddles.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:44:39 AM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

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Anonymous
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:35:59 AM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

***BUFFY AND ANGEL TEASERS****
I've just found out some spoilers for tonight's episodes of Buffy and Angel. I won't divulge them, cause I don't wanna ruin the surprise, but believe me--you will NOT want to miss tonight's episodes.

Here's a brief teaser for both shows:

BUFFY: 1. We will meet the Big Bad. Aka, the Villain for the Season". And she's hot! Oops! Giving to much away!
2. The truth about Dawn.
3. Does Spike REALLY have the hots for the Slayer? (I hope so!)

ANGEL: 1. The return of Kate.
2. Angela meets Darla.
3. Cause you demanded it! The bitch is back! DRUSILLA RETURNS!!!

Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:04:57 AM
IP: 164.106.137.115

Hi all,

Lady Mystic>>I use the CR archives occationally, mostly just the last week, in order to keep up on the replys.

Emanbu(sp?)>>glad you liked them, and no the driveway, parkway one wasn't on the list.

Here is the rest of the things to think about....

> 16. If work is so terrific, why do they have to pay you to do it?
> 17. If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?
> 18. If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?
> 19. If you are cross-eyed and have dyslexia, can you read all right?
> 20. Why is bra singular and panties plural?
> 21. Why do you press harder on the buttons of a remote control when you know the batteries are dead? (oii, I think I'm guilty of this one!)
> 22. Why do we put suits in garment bags and garments in a suitcase?
> 23. How come abbreviated is such a long word?
> 24. Why do we wash bath towels? Aren't we clean when we use them?
> 25. Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle?
> 26. Why do they call it a TV set, when you only get one?

catch you'll next time, it is time for me to get ready for work.

Delphi - [delphii16@magiclink.com]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 09:24:19 AM
IP: twin58p.magiclink.com

Lady Mystic> I use the comment room's images page to see TGS pictures occasionally
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 09:21:44 AM
IP: proxy1-external.pwy1.sdca.home.com

*Xanathar de-lurks*

Hi Guys!,long time no see! *Hugs all* :)

*Hugs Sorow* Did you get my email?,I hope things have improved for you,Keep smiling happy queen.

Matt "King Snarf" Maybray:<<Since the topic of the literary merits of video games often comes up, I was wondering if anyone here has ever played Planescape: Torment? Great story. If any video game can come close to Shakespeare (and let's face it; most can't, cause Will's damned good), it's P:T. Great use of a Tragic Hero, and just a lot of neat weird stuff, like flying talking skulls, pregnant alleyways, and a clockwork dungeon.>> I have,and I agree with you,Planescape:Torment is one of the best CRPG's that I have ever played,it has a wonderfully mature plot and Keith David(YAY!!!! :)),Sheena Easton,John Delancie,Tony Jay and others provide Voice talent for some of the characters that the Nameless one(the Protagonist) meets in his quest for Identity.(I'll put up a link for an old review for the game so as not to take up anymore room space with my raving ;),and to provide a more detailed discription of P:T for anybody whose interested. )

Kitainia: *Reads rant* OMG! That's terrible :(,Two nice people like Doug and yourself don't deserve that kind of hassle(Nobody does),I hope that what that jerk did to you will not leave any lingering scars :(.

I have to go now,I'll see you guys later. *Waves*

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 07:50:56 AM
IP: melnc02.bigpond.com

*Warpmind enters, happily playing a small, blue flute that looks suspiciously similar to a certain artifact from a recent Nintendo game.*
Woohoo! My new ocarina arrived today! AND because it's a replacement for the one that accidentally got smashed on Lanzarote this summer, I got a 16.50$ discount. Life is GRAND! The total for the ocarina and the convenient padded carrying bag wound up on 36$ sharp, and the ocarina usually costs 36.50$ alone, plus postage... *chuckle* the past month has truly been grand for me. :)

DPH: The statement "There is no absolute truth" is not only illogical, it is paradoxal. If you say that there is no absolute truth, then you're stating an absolute truth, thereby rendering your own statement false... :)

Nice Pendragon ep, by the way... liked the exchanges between Corbie and Mary. ]:) (Oh, and hope the toothaches settle down soon, Kyryn.)

By the way... one thing I came to thing of: maybe Wolfsbane could have some effect? It's a fairly common plant; it can even be found in health food stores (albeit at the twelfth dilution, as I recall reading) due to various medical properties... really, that oughtta be tried. :)

Emambu: It was neither sarcasm nor a definite intent of acquisition. In other words... I didn't find any in any sporting goods stores. :( Now, www.brubakers.com does have a nice selection of such wares, though... :) Oh, and as far as I know, the Gypsy language is Romani, not Romanian (I believe those are two different tongues), but seems to me you got the idea. :) Oh, and glad to hear we may have another roomie. Rest assured, we do not intend any bodily harm toward any of the congoers. At least, not while the con is taking place (no pooping in own nest, and so on), so I think we can safely assume that, barring earthquakes, muggers and wayward asteroids, you should be pretty much certain to escape unscathed. ]:)

Revel: I presume you got that? We may have another vic... roomie. :)

King Snarf: Ah, finally someone with more catch-up than me to do. :) (When I first visited, I had about, oh, between 180 and 200 eps to catch up with, I think - you're making good progress, let me assure you.) As for videogames to compete with ol' Willie... hmmm... I'm tempted to say "Knights of Xentar", due to the great entertainment value (although H-rated) as well as the many plot twists... :)

Jaden: Never enough time? Too true... no man-made magic trick can ever compare to the disappearance of the eight hours that hould remain after eight hours of sleep and eight hours of work... :|

Well, gotta go. *Dances out, still playing on his ocarina.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 07:30:16 AM
IP: mp-217-199-190.daxnet.no

Just a quick post.

Reverend Attila- I don't remember getting any e-mail from GB, but I look forward to getting this one. I'll be on the lookout for it.

Ever notice no matter how long the day is, you never seem to have enough time?
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
KoreaTuesday, October 24, 2000 05:14:23 AM
IP: 211.216.216.32

Hey, everbody! I'm dead tired right now, but I thought I'd pop in to say "hi." Hi. Anyhoo, I just finished Seasons 1 of TGS and Pendragon and might I say kudos to everyone involved. If Disney had people like you guys working on the show when it was on ABC, it still might be on the air (of course, knowing the kind of morons who wind up being TV executives, maybe not :))

Since the topic of the literary merits of video games often comes up, I was wondering if anyone here has ever played Planescape: Torment? Great story. If any video game can come close to Shakespeare (and let's face it; most can't, cause Will's damned good), it's P:T. Great use of a Tragic Hero, and just a lot of neat weird stuff, like flying talking skulls, pregnant alleyways, and a clockwork dungeon.

Well, g'night all!
Matt "King Snarf" Maybray - [reginald_q_bumbershoot@hotmail.com]
Drexel Hill, PA, USA
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 04:53:11 AM
IP: a020-1108.phl2.splitrock.net

*Emambu wanders in*

I should be doing Math homework now but... nah. :)

Stephen: Sounds rough (two hours every day?), but at least you're working as you said. Good luck, and who knows: maybe you'll find something that pays as well as doesn't require the long commute.

Caliope: *A huge ball of energy strikes Emambu, knocking him to the ground. When he looks up, he sees that it's really Caliope moving even faster then normal. She pulls him up and shows him the score on her most recent test. Emambu gives her a big hug* Congratulations! And you were so worried over that test too. :) I'm really glad to hear that all your hard work paid off. You earned it. *gives her another hug*

Warpmind: Didn't you say that you were going to pick up a sword (either an Epee or a Daikatana) in the city at some point or have I fallen victim to unmitigated sarcasm? Wouldn't be the first time. :) Thanks for the reminder too. I went back and re-read "Survival." You're right (again *grumble* :)), Brooklyn was able to speak in French to Etolie, but when he spoke to the Gypsies they heard Romainian (I think that's what it was). So essentially, people hear what they want to hear.

Revel and Warpmind: Hmmm... I guess you could scribble my name somewhere at the bottom of the list. First I have to convince my parents that it's ok for me to go. I've already disputed their claims that we're turning into a cult, that one of you is really a psychopath that means to do us (particularly me) bodily harm, that it's too expensive, and that it would hurt my opportunity for looking for a job. The current argument is that there could be a disaster (ie earthquake) and no relatives live nearby so I wouldn't have anywhere to go if such a thing happened. *sigh* _If_ I can go and if you're still searching for a roommate, I'll let you know. I apologize for not being able to give you a more definitive answer.

Winterwolf: Hey, belated welcome back! Glad to hear that you had a good time at the wedding. It's always good to poke a little fun at the groom during a toast. My brother's in for it when his time comes. :) My singing is going well. it's keeping me busy (particularly those four hour rehearsals). I did land a back-up solo (means I get to sing a solo should the main guy be incapacitated in any way) for one of our a capella songs. I'm not too sure how I did that. The guy who got it though has some real talent. He's seriously considering singing as a possible career, so I feel blessed that I got chosen as his back-up. Also nope, there's no curve... period. If half the class fails (which is what appears to be happening) then so be it. Our profressor said that there wouldn't a curve for anything. Still, I won't get my mid-term exam back until tomorrow. There's still hope. :)

Mary: "Moron." That sums up Mr. White pretty well. Also, I read your third fic. I'm still trying to familiarize myself with the Ranma universe, but it's coming slowly. Personally, I always enjoyed narrations and your fic doesn't allow for much of that. However, it reads like a script for the show and the dialogue is wonderful, as are the characters. Hope to hear about the next part soon. BTW, do you have any idea why the last 1/4 of the story is all in bold face. It seemed a bit odd. I figured the webmaster made a mistake with the HTML when he uploaded your story. *shrugs* Great work!

Lynati: That outline you have looks pretty good. Maybe you can flesh it out into a full length fan fiction. I'd love to read it. :)

Dreamie: What's with the poking... and that smile? Are you insinuiating something? :) j/k I'm doing fine, considering. School, singing, going out with my friends, soccer, writing, and reviewing keep me busy. However, I can't complain (even though that's one of things I do best :)). *pokes her back* So how are you doing now that you're a year wiser? ;)

Gside: You sure? I could have sworn someone made a reference to fighting on St. Crispian's Day. *shrugs* Oh well, I still ike the speech. :) Also, I understood what you meant. However, there will be no curve at all, for the whole class. if the half the calls fails, then half the class fails (simple as that). Oh, and you're arguments have worked. My dirctor says he'll search for a TTBB copy of Non Nobis for the spring. See, and you said a while ago you weren't expecting anything. :)

Rodlox: Welcome back! How goes it? As far as I know "spike" is C.S. Hayden (what a great last name, I want to use it for a Star Wars/Aliens crossover fic that's been boiling in my head for a long time). Christine Morgan is Christine Morgan, a totally seperate person and writer. What lead you to believe otherwise?

Spike: The above post reminded me: If I ever finish this fic (It's a Star Wars/Aliens crossover) would you mind if I used your last name as one of the main characters? Her actual name is Cassandra Hayden. However, I didn't think of "Hayden" until I saw your name. I figure there's no harm in asking first though. :)

Gunjack: Glad to hear that the computer rocks. As for your statements about life... couldn't have said it better. :) *sees part about 15 year-old girls running around shouting "Brains!"* Uhhh... I'll take your word for it. :) Thanks for supporting my hypothesis. I think that's what I'll go with. I'm not sure why I got so curious. It's not a big part in the story. In fact, I can only think of one scene where I'd use it. *shrugs* Oh well. *reads on* Yeah, us Catholics started that whole thing as an actual event rather then simple symbolism. :) I agree too, the world definitely needs more anti-idiots. *reads on* No thanks needed on the Shakespeare post. Actually, another rason why I like the speech so much was because that was the speech I used to win an award at my school for drama/acting. :) Also, point conceded over the fact that they maybe the Xenomorph couldn't actually see the missile. Still, I think the movie downplayed them a bit IMHO. Lastly, the SAT's are funny (but necessarily a "hah hah" funny) in that they can go either way. I skipped several answers and did fine on them, and I know people who guessed and didn't do so hot. However, the same works true the other way (people doing well by guessing and others not doing so well because they left too many blank). I think the rule is: If you can eliminate more then two, you should always guess.

Wilek: I dunno. The timing seemed too convient and too on target to be an accident that ended up working favorably in their direction. Also, in "resurrection" they seemed to have no trouble swimming. They were certainly faster and more agile then the humans were. After all, they caught up to that one girl and pulle dher down. Gunjack made a good point though: maybe they couldn't see the missile. It'd be interesting to see what the resident Xenomorph has to say about this. :)

Niamhgold: No need for tears (they are "happy" tears right?). :) I usually respond to things like artwork and stories in length. I figure, if the person is kind enough to share his/her work, the least I can do is be thorough in my comments. *hugs back* You take it easy too. Don't run yourself ragged. And if you get the chance, I'd love to see more artwork. ;)

David G: Don't ever think that you're pathetic. I mean, what you described did not sound trite, but rather a valid and very real concern. A lot of guys have gone through situations like that (present company included though I don't want to talk about that at the moment). You're not alone on this, and you're most certainly not pathetic.

Kitainia: Thanks for the well wishes (on the grades, choir, my most recent relationship, etc.). I wish you well on your projects too and I'm sorry to hear that your professor was acting like a jerk. I told Doug in my last e-mail to him that my prgramming TA pulled a similar stunt like that (almost gave me a zero on a program), but I called him on it and proved he made a mistake. Still, I can completely understand the frustrated feeling when something like that happens. Also, I've never seen the movie Renaissance Man. Is it any good? *reads rant* EEP! I agree with Warpmind. Remind me never to get on your bad side. :)

Guandalug la'Fay: Heh... no problem. Good luck with the archive and don't forget to keep up aspiring writers apprasied of the situation. :)

Brooklyn: Sorry, haven't had time for an e-mail considering the next e-mail I want to send to you are a few of the corrections to Future Tense part 1 so you can quickly polish it up and make it even better. Thanks for keeping me up to date with the developments. I'm looking foward to reading part 2 when you get the chance to send it to me. Thanks again

Christine: No, I don't need a writer's bloack. Mine's big enough. :) happy belated birthday to Becca! I hope everything went well for her (and for you too). :)

Rulok: *sigh* I really need to get Toon Disney. I haven't seen a Gargoyles episode in years, literally. Too bad there's no room in the budget for a satellite dish (although I have the perfect place to put it since the windows in my dorm room extend just over the roof of another building. :) Also, I like your website. For some reason, I never realized until now that you were the winning Graeme costume at G'99. My compliments (belated as they are) on a great looking costume! Maybe I'll see you at G2001, assuming I get the chance to go.

Paul: I for one would also like you to post some links as to where I can read some of these fan ficiton pieces that you keep praising. Honestly, I haven't been around long enough to post an opinion of the most recent debate (and I do think this is still a debate. I've been on forums with flame wars before. This site's been a lot more mature then it could have been). Personally, your opinions are your opinions as long as you don't use them to hurt someone else in the process. Therefore, post the links so I can read these stories and formulate my own opinions on them. If I like them, all the better. If not... well, who cares? You know that you like them, and that should be good enough for you. No sense trying to ram your beliefs down other peoples throats. Xenogears might not be my cup of tea so to speak, or I may enjoy it more then Gargoyles. Let me make that call though. *Emambu throws two pennies into the forum*

DPH: I'm guessing the reference is to the cartoon show "Teenage Muntant Ninja Turtles," but I have no idea what specific phrase you're looking for. Oh well, no cookies for me today. ;)

Archwolf: Happy belatd birthday! You should have told me sooner... I would have called. :)

Fire Storm: Ummmm... *Emambu tries to think of some way to top Firestorm's ailments but soon realizes he can't. Therefore, he thinks of something really stupid as always* yeah, well my blood tastes like copper. At least yours has a somewhat appealing taste to it. :) Seriously, I'm sorry to hear about you pains. Why are you working by the way? Doesn't your boss realize that massive chest pains that cause you stop breathing are well... kind of hazardous for you in a working environment? And what are you doing eating hamburgers when your mouth is so sore? Far be it for me to sound like a nagging mother, but you should be on liquids (primarily soup, juice, maybe even a little water ice or ice cream). You shouldn't be eating anything that requires you to chew. And yes, DC is among those things. :)

Daniel Johnson: I noticed you were gone, really. ;) Seriously, it's good to hear from you. Hopefully, this whole ordeal proves to you that you are a kind, caring person who shows his mother much love respect and respect.

Doug: Well, if it means more money then I hope you get the extended patrol. Good luck wth your job. I'll send another Ask Doug later this week. Thanks for the big answer to my question. Abviously, it has opened up several more questions. :) Also, I may be sending you the first scene soon. I have it written down. Now, I get to refine it about a dozen times until I feel it's worthy to submit to someone else. Joy! :)

Gasper: Phoenix Gate never worked for me either. It's the only pic I'd use next to my name if I could. *shrugs* oh well.

Delphi: ROTFL!! #15's my favorite one. I wonder why you didn't have this one though: Why do you drive in a parkway and park in a driveway?

Traveler: dare I ask what the significance behind the "Dragon Son" is or will that warrent more, "Dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, and so forth?" :)

Shadowrider: Well, I sent it to the address in Cremona. I used the same one Winterwolf gave me. I hope you get it. It's great to hear from you.

SOROW: Ugh! *hugs* I hope everything works out. I wish I could offer some good advice but I can't. I can only give you my support.

Reverend Attila: My twelve year-old neutered cat used to spray a lot before he died, so I guess your actions aren't too bad. :) *Emambu tosses some money at the cat as well as one of those "Hot Cats" catnip toys (they look like sausage-links only they're filled with catnip. My cats love 'em) :)*

I think that's all. I'll go read the new Pendragon tomorrow although I won't be able to post nitpicky comments as I still haven't finished the first season yet. *shrugs* Oh well, I'll wait until TGS picks up. :) Hope the board gets wiped soon. Take care everyone (advanced apologies for any typos. It's after 1:30am here),

---Emambu
Emambu - [emambu@commandchamber.net]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 01:39:45 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

**The CR poster formerly known as the Dame enters the room.**

Hey, all! Just a quickie post to let y'all know I'm still alive. Hope you're havin' fun! Whatcha think of the new name? I want feedback, people! :)

Lady Mystic> Hi, there! How are ya? Anyway, I moved to go to college, but I'm still in the same state, and I get mail at both my addresses. And they're lettin' me vote as a citizen of the county that I used to live in. Which is cool by me. :) I did vote by absentee ballot, though.

Well, I'll be by when I can...college keepin' me busy and all, you know. Hope to see y'all again soon!
Lady Corax
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 01:10:32 AM
IP: reslife216-176.rescomp.arizona.edu

**Winterwolf is in**

Hi everybody! Some big restructuring going on at work. I will soon need to choose my path between FoxNews.com, FoxSports.com and Fox Entertainment. It is not trivial as some may require my relocation to LA. Hmm that would make the next Gathering convenient! LOL! Seriously there is much to consider. There are plenty of positions that I will have the opportunity to choose from in addition to choosing a content group (News, Sports and Entertainment). I know part of me will miss the freedom of getting my hands on everything Fox online has but this promises to be a step up in most respects. :)

Brooklyn> I'm glad you got over those connection problems. Don't forget to take it out on DC otherwise he'll get you back in a bind fast! ^_^

Fire Storm> **cringes** I remember back to my own mouth pain and wince! Glad it is better. It sure takes a long time to get back to normal or at least I find it sure feels that way...

Gside> <magnetic monopoles> You could make some physicists very happy with those! :)

Rulok> <costuming panel> That sounds like a winner and a must attend session! ^_^

Emambu> How's the singing voice? Also what have you been up to lately?

Caliope> <Batman Beyond>Now that sounds like a must see episode that I didn't see! Doh! Now I'll have to wait for the rerun... <TYPO QUEEN> Your highness you forgot your crown! ROFL! ;P <DC museums> I liked all the ones I visited. I agree with Gside to see the Air and Space museum. There are plenty of good ones and if you find you don't care for one you can just walk over to another as they are neatly clustered together. ^_^ <HUGZ> You're never going to get me to stop hugging you now! LOL! **HUGZ** <test> You got an A! See I told you I didn't damage that genius brain of yours! So now I can call you a super genius again! Yippee and Congrats! **Dances like a maniac with you toppling over all the furniture in the room** ^_~

Roswell> Well I have it on tape but I haven't seen it yet! I heard it was good too! Must watch tomorrow sometime!

Spacebabie> <Liv-a-snaps and ear scritches> **goes into his excessively playful and loving puppy mode** Oh, I love that! Thanks Spacebabie! **Hugz** ^_^

Shadowrider> I'm glad that you hared the Oath ceremony here. It is fun to practice my otherwise rusty and unused Italian and great to have the translation so readily available as well. The meaning is good and it's good to hear you were able to recite it with pride along with your fellows in service. As for the mail it is not so bad as everything I sent can easily be sent again... still I hope it arrives as I wrote a few things and sent a picture also.

Lady Mystic> I make use of the CR archive oh maybe once a month. Usually to see who said what if something has taken a while to be answered. I look at the other stuff too from time to time. :) <State A and B question> Well I know I went with the one with the most favorable for the situation but that doesn't mean that is the correct way to do it. That's just how I did it in the past. Same for location A and B. Whatever one produced the most favorable results for what I was doing.

Good night everybody!

**Winterwolf is out**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 01:03:12 AM
IP: 206.15.120.88

Hey everyone! Been a while since I was last on my computer. I'm so busy and so far behind in here I won't be able to catch up on things any time soon. I apologize for any inconveniences. If you posted something to me and were REALLY hoping to get a response please post it again. Thanks. :)

Gside: << <<just...what's a Kilbasa?>>: Polish sausage. Also known as heaven. It is very, very good. Though I'm not sure how accurate my spelling was. Lady Mystic, can I have a ruling?>> Well... I've seen it spelled numerous ways. I think I've seen it spelled "Kaubasa" on packages from the grocery store. And one of my family's Ukrainian cookbooks calls Ukrainian sausage "Kowbasa." My text editor's spell check says its spell "Kielbasa." So I guess it depends on personal preference. :) (Now I'm hungry. <G>)

Kitainia: <> I had my wisdom teeth removed when I was about 17, long before they became problematic. (Wow, that was almost 6 years ago!) My wisdom teeth were surgically removed (after they were broken/cut in half) for they had yet to come in. It's comforting knowing that some pains can be forgotten (or at least dulled with time). <<Thanks for updating the CR archives yet again, it'll be good to relive the memories in there. :) When I have the time.>> Thanks. Now I'm just waiting for the CR to wipe to update again. :)

EVERYONE: Out of curiosity, how may people make use of the archived CRs and other sections (such as the CR pages for images, text colors, rules, etc)?

Gside (again): Thanks for directing people to the CR Info main page. And thanks for the compliments on my work. :) A few weeks ago you mentioned something about the improved quality of the CR pics. To help me out with future work dealing with the CR: Could you clarify? What were the problems with the previous pics? If anyone else has any opinions on this feel free to respond. NOTE: I know the previous set of images' individual file sizes were a bit too large. I knocked file sizes down as much as possible while still maintaining image quality. That took a bit of work because I had to find my oldest set of archived CR pics I had saved a year or two ago. If I had used the previous set they would have been third or forth generation pics (ie: the number of times they had been saved over), which would have produced an unacceptable ratio of file size to image quality.

COYOTE: Forgot to tell you Sunday: Puppy Girl says hi. :) Had fun at the con and at dinner. :) And look! I'm posting with a link to the G2004 page and the staff email addy. :D Now, if only FS would do the same. *elbows FS* Anything new to add to the page? Need help on anything?

XenaTrek: <<could one of you send me a quick synops of who's who on the ballets for senate, congress and what not.>> I'd send you some info but I really haven't been paying that much attention to this race. Everything I've seen and heard is the same old stuff. And I've been so busy that I haven't had time to dig up info on the candidates. Sorry. Hope Coyote and/or Fire Storm are of more help.

Anyone: This is mostly out of curiosity, but may be useful to me in the future. If you live in state A and then move to attend college in state B which state can you claim to legally live in (most notably for income tax purposes), particularly if you have mail sent to both addresses? And similarly, what would be the case if you went to college in the same state in which you live but still had two addresses? (Same guidelines apply.)

See ya later. :)

(PS: VISIT LINK -- HELP US OUT !!)
Lady Mystic - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Dearborn, MI
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:05:29 AM
IP: 06-167.008.popsite.net

I read Pendragons new episode "Dark Passions". Great ending
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, October 23, 2000 11:58:02 PM
IP: proxy1-external.pwy1.sdca.home.com

Read the latest Pendradon. Another success, though at one point, it seems like someone put in a couple too many s.

Cal�ope> <<can I assume you'd recomend the Air and Space museum?>>: Well, it was kind of expected of me, but yes. And you should probably work your way all the way around the Mall: American Art, Natural History, Sculpure Garden, American Indian, etc.
<>: The real artists are freakier. And I have my brother as proof of this.
Congratulaions on the A.

Kyryn> <<Magnetic monopoles for sale? And just how much are you wanting for these?>>: I really should have said that the container was "all natual." Did you see the quantities they are being sold in?
<<Would you take a nice ball of neutronium inside a stasis box in trade?>>: Other than getting rid of evidence is neutronium really that fun?

Looks like some people are waiting for the approaching wipe, either that or busy reading Pendragon before posting.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, October 23, 2000 11:48:56 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

spacebabie> forgot my email
shogun raptor - [shogun_raptor@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 23, 2000 10:56:46 PM
IP: user-38lddd0.dialup.mindspring.com

it's been a long time but I'm back
spacebabie> I'd love to see that censorship of anime paper, if it's possible can you EM me a copy?

in defence of Xenogears> I prefer not to nitpick over every piddling detail of this game, but I will say this: it's not like playing an anime, it's like playing EVERY anime
for example, did anyone notice how much Deus seems reminiscent of Lilith from Eva? for that matter didja notice the similarity between the Elements and NERV? to say nothing of the gears/gundams/guymeleph similarities (let's face it Weltall looks like someone mixed in the Eva unit one blueprints with the Tallgeese blueprints) and some of the deathblow attacks are straight out of DBZ, and as a friend of mine commented when he saw Rico "Looks like Blanka and Akuma did the fusion dance" and don't get me started on how the wels seemed oddly reminiscent of Angels
shogun raptor
Monday, October 23, 2000 10:56:03 PM
IP: user-38lddd0.dialup.mindspring.com

Mary>> I'd like to recommend two books on Herbs -- Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs, which focuses on organic gardening and has several useful lists as to medicinal uses, cooking, and so on; and Cunnigham's Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs by Scott Cunningham, which lists medicinal, toxicity, and magical properties.
Spike
Monday, October 23, 2000 10:20:03 PM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-209.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

****Kyryn steps in a bit early****

Gentlebeings,

TGS now presents

Dark Passions

Written by Todd Jensen

Story Idea by Todd Jensen, Nicodemus, and Entity

Artwork by Damocles

****Kyryn steps aside to avoid the rush (Got to go get sleep. New crown on tooth hurts.)****
Kyryn - [<<---clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Monday, October 23, 2000 07:46:28 PM
IP: denm2-2.iglobal.net

*Lynati enters*

Don't really have anything new to say...just wanted to see what this picture looks like.

Also-I HAVE TO APPLAUD KITAINIA.
#applause#applause#applause#applause#...and so on and so on.

I'm currently working through reading the past comment rooms, myself...as well as certain other reccomended fanfics...

*Lynati Exits*

Lynati
Monday, October 23, 2000 07:26:06 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Count me as another person who enjoyed that "Batman Beyond" episode. The "Batman: the Musical" portion of it was extremely funny, while the more serious part of the episode provided a very effective and chilling means of bringing about the return of Reis el-Ghul (probably the most intriguing of the original Batman's opponents, and not just because of that great voice job by David Warner, either).

I also hope that Robby clears the room soon. Maybe later this evening.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, October 23, 2000 06:25:15 PM
IP: 216.87.46.93.dialup-stl.primary.net

**DPH enters the room wearing flame-proof clothing. A portal opens and DPH catches an item before hits the floor. It looks like a ghostbuster backpack and DPH puts it on his back. DPH aims the nozzle towards the ceiling and skylight and it starts raining in the CR room below the skylight. DPH puts the nozzle back in its place on the backpack.**

"There are as many truths as there are people."-Ryoji Kaji <--sorry, but there has to be at least some absolute truths. The statement "There is no absolute truth' is ILLOGICAL.

Robby, please wipe the room clean.

**DPH refrains from making other comments & posting BFTS RP in protest of a major unimportant topic that has dragged on too long in his humble opinion and will refrain from posting BFTS RP until the room is wiped clean again.**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, October 23, 2000 05:58:18 PM
IP: max1-52.cwy.cei.net

Paul > "Who do you think's better? Or do you think they tie? Jewel Faulkner or Scott Iskow, or Christine Morgan?"

You know, when you say it like that you make it sound like the three of us are enemies or something. I harbor no bitterness toward Christine or Jewel and, (if you have to pick from the three of us), I happily consider myself the worst of the group, (which I surprisingly find myself in). Also, Christine's and Jewel's styles are so radically different that you do them both injustice when you try to compare.

*** RANT ***

And what if one of us *is* better than the other? So what? It's not like the effects are catastrophic. This is fan fiction, after all--a subcategory of the entire fandom. Both are unique kinds of authors, and they will likely attract different kinds of readers. I seriously doubt Jewel's and Christine's writing careers will overlap. And me... I doubt I'll even *have* a writing career. The comparison you are trying to make is really one of personal opinion. Someone else can have a different opinion without being wrong.

*** END RANT ***

Christine > Sorry, still haven't read "Curse of the Shadow Beasts." The good news is that I now own a copy, and I brought it with me to college. As soon as I stop being lazy, I'll get to work on it. (I'm such a bad reader...)

Scott Iskow - [smiskow@wam.umd.edu]
Monday, October 23, 2000 05:29:24 PM
IP: 129-2-239-49.student.umd.edu

*Warpmind enters, looking around in confusion.*
Damn, when IS Robby gonna wipe the CR, anyway?

Shadowrider: *Choke, gasp* I'm sorry, but you just cracked me up BIGTIME. I now have a vivid image of your entire platoon standing in a public square, cussing a blue streak before family and friends... :)

Mary: I'm not too sure (me not being more than a humble dabbler in these matters), but you might find my link useful...

Well, see ya tomorrow... HEY! Robby! Wipe the CR, will ya?
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, October 23, 2000 05:00:58 PM
IP: mp-217-206-56.daxnet.no

*enters*

Hi! Just checking in. I'm searching the Net about Herbalism since I would like to have my own herbal garden one of these days. ^_^ Plants can be very useful when you know what they can do. :) I read somewhere chamomile can lighten ashy brown hair. Also some good stuff for bruises, cuts, colds, pains, and whatnot. Me love nature!!!! (just as long as I don't run into a rattlesnake, or a bear, or poison oak. :P) ^_^
Mary Flanders
Monday, October 23, 2000 04:21:24 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

<Comes in>

Greetings to everyone. I had hoped to have a little rest at home, but instead, I discovered I have a lot of friends to greet, and things to attend to...oh, well, for sure I don't bore...;)

Needless to say, I'm not here to be involved in a flame war...and for sure I don't want to read through the Archives to find out how this particular one started, so I'll ignore it as I can.

Winterwolf:> Hm...it's strange that your letter hasn't arrived to me...strange indeed. I'm sure that the address I sent you is right...but Italian Mail service is not known for its reliability...so it IS possible that your letter will arrive in the next days. Anyway, I received your Email...I think I'll print it without reading it, so that I'll read it with the necessary calm and reply by snail...

Warpmind:> You're right, an oath is a very emotional thing...in the Oath Ceremony, we swear collectively, by recitating it all together in a public square, before our parents and friends as well as various authorities...what makes it even more intense

Rev. Attila:> Gosh! I forgot to write! For sure I have GB's address (I have taken it with me)...I promise I'll remedy as soon as possible!

Kitainia:> Thanks for welcoming me back, it's always a pleasure. Glad you liked the words of our Oath, too.
<reads through her reply to PAN> Well written, my friend, and well said...but, according to the few things I've read, I think it will be useless. Simply, some people will not listen to what you say...whatever it is. So, my suggestion is to take it easy...it is not worth to lose your sanity (and waste your time) for such kind of people. We all know perfectly how you have deserved a bit of peace.
Until the next time.

See you all tomorrow for goodbyes.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Monday, October 23, 2000 03:21:53 PM
IP: h255-22-72.mi2.albacom.net

*Enters the Cr fowlloed by Chibi Squall, Chibi Deliah, and her two Neopets

Attila>>Here you go kity how about some nice salmon jerky from Petsmart?. Tell GB I have forgotten its that I'm currently drowning in school work.

Wolves:Arch,Shadow and Wniter>>>There sems to be a pack right now. Gives them all Liv-a-snaps and ear scritches

Sorrow: SHEEEEIsh, I hope things turn out better for you.

Cristine:Happy belated Birthday

David G>>>Bravo Bravo, I'm sure Robby wants us all to drop it.

As for He-who's-name-shall-not-be-mentioned I'd get into to this but I spent all by Ranting energy on my Creative Non-fiction paper...The subject: Censorship of anime

Thats right I'm tired my brain is function I'm done with the assignment, I just wanna relax.

Love and CheesyNeos
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, USA
Monday, October 23, 2000 02:52:30 PM
IP: user-37kap0l.dialup.mindspring.com

hey guys....remember when i asked if gargs are kosher eating?

well, now I'm starting to wonder that same question about the Paul in this CR. *grr*

*Rodlox's grendel eyes go from horizontal to vertical, making Paul see his greatest fear*

Rodlox
Monday, October 23, 2000 02:30:56 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

*Warpmind enters, grinning.*
There's a first time for everything, it seems... two fanmails (both part inquisitive) in less than 24 hours... from two different people, no less. Ah, but it is good to be around, sometimes. :)

Reverend Attila: I never forgot about the MiST... sent my stuff to GB. If he doesn't know, it is probably safe to assume it died in transit... (I'm not about to blame a fellow CR dweller - more likely DC's at fault...)

P. A. Nathans: You say you think Xenogears are far superior to Shakespeare. Fair enough; unless you've ever tried acting any of his plays, you probably don't have enough comparison material, 'cause, let's all face it... reading a play is rarely as captivating as playing a well-written RPG. You say you have friends who write better than Christine Morgan. I'll be perfectly willing to believe you, as soon as you provide names. But, and hear me out here, for I intend no insult nor to start a war, remember the old saying. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." In other words, some like one thing, and care less for another, while with the next person, it might be the exact opposite, or yet another alternative altogether. Plus, there's one thing I noticed there... "deep characterizations"... there are many ways to create character depth, good sir, and one is by writing between the lines. Some write well by describing everything, others make their stories flow better by subtle hints. Unfortunately, not everyone manage to follow the latter... can you? I've made my comments, and for now, I shall hold my peace on the matter.

Fire Storm: Good thing your dental work isn't as painful anymore... by the way, you *do* know the difference between an anorexic and an extracted fang, right? ];)

Gunjack Valentine: Damn, that sounds like a tough schedule... *hands over a mug of coffee, triple-laced with caffeine extract.*

Kit: *Reads rant, chokes.* Yipe! Remind me not to get on your bad side, girl!

Gside: Hope you enjoy the link. ]:) And no, I mean I'm still downloading files from my first visit... I'm down to about a three dozen files left in the NetVampire download queue. :| Oh, and, true, the Evil Dead series does have a few of us die-hard fans here, but remember: there are minors present.

Rulok: Damn, you're right... it IS still there... musta been a local problem last few times I tried, then... :| Tried to print the recipe, but seems to be a problem with *that*... most likely the printer software on my end hiccuping (again). :( Oh, and in case you haven't noticed... I'll be there. :)

Oh, and Revel and I are still seeking a third roomie for G2001. Laddies an' lassies, we're offering a UNIQUE opportunity to share the hotel room with the ENTIRE Norwegian branch o' the fandom, PLUS Revel at the mere price of 1/3 of the hotel room. Room service and contents of the minibar not included, of course. E-mail me or Revel for details.

Well, that's about it... later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, October 23, 2000 12:41:55 PM
IP: mp-217-210-197.daxnet.no

Wow!
Have I ever missed a lot!...
I think I will hide in the corner away from all the scary ranting.. after claiming that I wasn't here and it's not my fault and I was just studying for midterms and hoping that no one throws anything at me cause I was minding my own business (you just KNOW every bad story starts out with "well, I was minding my own business when all of a sudden..).. :):)
But hey hey!! We are getting a National Election, too!!! (though there probably aren't too many people for me to debate with :( at least not in this CR)
Anyway, class calls
Missed you all and post again later,
N.

Nadia K.
Monday, October 23, 2000 12:24:19 PM
IP: dynrez216-32168.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Re: Batman Beyond >> Drats... I knew it... if I don't set the VCR, something good comes out of the show. Luckily there are re-runs.

Roswell >> Anyone catch last weeks "Roswell"? The ep with Isabell's birthday party? I thought that was the best episode of the season so far. Especially the 5-minute monologue at the end. Katherine Heigl (sp?) did a fabalous job. This week's ep... all of main characters will be taking on roles of those during the 1947 UFO crash cover-up. There is about 10 different version I can think of that has been done with this event... lets see how the writers pull this one off.

Later.
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Monday, October 23, 2000 12:18:37 PM
IP: proxy2b.lmco.com

Caliope: Yeah, I loved that Batman Beyond episode too. "A superstitious cowardly lot! They scheme and dream but they always get caught..." ROFL!!!

More later, hope the room is wiped soon.
Doug
Monday, October 23, 2000 11:15:37 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.114.dlls.grid.net

****Kyryn steps in.****

Nathans> Shakespeare is considered classic because a) many examples of his writing survive; b) many elements in his stories were considered new and daring for the time; and c) his work stood out enough from the rest of the writers of the period that it has stood the test of time. Comparing Shakespeare's work to a modern storyline is like comparing 'Steamboat Willie' (one of the first Mickey Mouse cartoons) to 'Princess Mononoke.' The writers of today have the foundations of past work and innovations since the original was written to build on. Xenogears may be a 'great' game and storyline today ( and I cannot honestly comment on it, having never played it and having no real interest in doing so), but only time (usually 50 years or so) will tell whether or not it will be numbered among the 'greats.'

On writings> Everyone has their own opinion on how great someone is. A great number of fanfic writers never manage to get published in print. Those who do tend to be the ones who stand out above the rest. However, most of those will admit to you that they feel that they can still improve on their writings and will strive to continue to do so.
That's my two cents as a general comment. Make of it what you will.

G'side> Magnetic monopoles for sale? And just how much are you wanting for these? All the money in the world? The price of a soul perhaps? (rummages around) Hmmm. Would you take a nice ball of neutronium inside a stasis box in trade? (evil grin)

****Kyryn steps out****

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, October 23, 2000 10:56:51 AM
IP: 216.35.46.129

HI!!!!!! Hope every one's peachy today!!! * ^_~ *

Batman Beyond> Hey did anyone catch this weekends ep?! It was sooo neet, having Bruce be young again and all. I loved Terry's reaction to having Bruce be Batman again! There's no WAY I'm wearing the Robin suit! :P

Gunjack Valentine> <<But oh so much fun to watch... from behind bulletproof glass. What's bad is when you feed a FERRET caffiene... >> LOL thats true! But I have no experience with Caffiene induced ferrets so I wouldnt know :P

Lynati> <> LOL Your new here, but I think its time you know my true identity....I...am.....THE TYPO QUEEN!!!!...nice ta meet ya! :P

Winterwolf> <<DC museums>> I know, I only have a week tho, so I have to choose carefully, no? :P Gside already recomended Air and space museum and I would like to go to some art museums, I donno what else, what do you recomend, hmm? <<**gives you big fuzzy wolf hugz**>> lol *HUGZ right back* Oh! And I didnt fail miserably in that evil spanish test! I actualy got an A! Yey for me!!! :P

Gside> <<Air and Space! Air and Space!>> LOL so can I assume you'd recomend the Air and Space museum? ;) Oh and that whole depressed artist thing is soooo pass�! I think the only ppl who adopt that stereotypical image are the "deep artist" wannabe's :P

Emambu> *shakes him up a bit* HEY!!! I finaly got my first grade results! I got an A thats right an A in my evil spanish test!!!! Woohoo!!!! *dances about laughing maniacly* :P

Well! Gotta go! *keeps dancing about the room, HUGZ all and dances right on out*
Caliope
Monday, October 23, 2000 09:40:46 AM
IP: 136.145.83.175

My fellow Michiganders! Coyote, FS and LM, could one of you send me a quick synops of who's who on the ballets for senate, congress and what not. I received an absentee ballet in the mail a two weeks ago, and have no idea who's who. Thanks.
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Monday, October 23, 2000 09:39:50 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

Hi all,

Christine>>tell Becca happy belated b-day for me, hope she had a really great time!

catch you all next time
delphi - [delphii16@netscape.net]
twin falls, idaho
Monday, October 23, 2000 09:23:27 AM
IP: 216.190.243.176

Just a reminder... time is slowly running out on the $30 early-bird membership rate for The Gathering 2001. Don't be left out - register today! :: points to link below ::

My two cents on the latest flare-up...

1) Put up or shut up. Either post a link to these alleged great stories or cease and desist with the bashing of others. If your "debate style" doesn't include the ability to back up what you say with facts and evidence, you don't have a "debate style" at all. "I'm right and you're wrong, and since I'm right, I don't have to prove anything to you," isn't debating. It's whining. And we've seen enough of that in the Presidential campaign.

2) It just boggles my mind that anyone could be comparing some video game to SHAKESPEARE... particularly anyone who admits to never having read SHAKESPEARE. And yes, I will write SHAKESPEARE in capital letters... William SHAKESPEARE deserves that much if the name of this game gets to be written that way all the time, too.
Patrick Toman
Monday, October 23, 2000 07:01:13 AM
IP: ac813618.ipt.aol.com

*Emambu wanders in.*

Just letting you all know I'm still around. I'll try to make a full post tomorrow (don't hold me to that though). *sees some of the more recent topics* Hmmm... I don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole, and yet I have this sneaking suspicion that I will. *sighs* Have a good night.

---Emambu
Emambu - [emambu@commandchamber.net]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Monday, October 23, 2000 02:24:33 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

Warpmind> I've been lurking until I have something to contribute. My website is still there. Click on my name.

Hey everyone... I'll be co-hosting the Costuming Panel at G2001. Gonna show you how I did it. Be sure to come!
Rulok - [jmiller1@satx.rr.com]
San Antonio, tx, USA
Monday, October 23, 2000 12:41:42 AM
IP: cs162175-13.satx.rr.com

Ahh, back on the ethernet. Yes, I am spoiled.
Warpmind> Thanks for the link. Looks like fun. Didn't get around to checking it over the weekend. And of course you're still downloading. They update somewhat regularly.

Niamhgold> <<Here, I think the main problem is that they're intimidated by kids that have travelled the globe and have great talent>>: You are going to find a number of people like that in any discipline. But then, some disciplines don't really attract the deep thinkers.
<>: Heck yeah. Incidentally, I'm having a two for one sale on monopoles, conviently stored in a magnetic container. How many people here will understand why that is funny and/or why anyone would want monopoles?
<<Serge paints simply to immortalize his love for Einstein>>: So, how many times has he reinterpreted the Einstien birthday picture?

Warpmind> <<the second might not be for everyone here to know>>: But I seem to remember that there are quite a few fans of the series in here.

Shadowrider> <<Kelbasa: sounds good...I'll have to try it>>: Well it is just about the only thing the Polish (or thereabouts) do right. And it makes up for everything else.

Christine> <<she was... of a much more traditional upbringing>>: Well, I think my upbringing was just about as traditional as you can get in these days and times. Which probably explains a bit.

Rev. Attila> <<Christine is only twelve years older, so a first name is perfectly proper>>: Well, at home I am constantly hearing about parents of children in my father's school refered to as Mr./ Mrs. Force of habit dies hard.

P. A. N.> <<You've seen about half of NEON GENESIS EVANGELION? What do you think of it so far?>>: Not bad. Not bad at all.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:57:04 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

<applauds at David G's remarks> Right and civil on every count, friend! Great debating there! :) Will comment on your stressful situation next post (and unless he responds to my helpful good-intentioned challenge in the way I'm hoping, I'm not saying ANYTHING else to Paul- see the first lesson of life below for my reason).
Kit
Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:35:30 PM
IP: pool-63.52.171.40.dlls.grid.net

<stares at Paul gaping open-mouthed, then steels herself and closes her lips, though her expression and eyes still radiate cold fury> Someone obviously needs to read the archives of this room's past few weeks.

**RANT WARNING**
Paul: FYI, Gus Leonard was not a poster in here. He was a former co-worker of mine in my current job at Tower Records. He was hired last month as a stocker/cashier, the same job I have. Quickly I realized he did not have the skills for the job- he mixed up the music on the shelves, he couldn't work a cash register correctly, he overcharged or shortchanged customers and made them upset, called people jerks and losers whenever they got mad at him- the only one seemingly immune to this was the store manager-, damaged merchandise (I caught him scratching used CDs once with a nail file and tossing them in the trash can, costing the store money)... I don't need to go on, do I? I tried to put up with the guy as long as I could, even though I was mad as hell that he was around. Then I found out that before the manager had hired him he'd been nothing but a near-penniless drag rat, one of the punks who hang out on the UT campus surviving on spare change they panhandle. Our manager had given him the job out of pity, hoping it would teach him values and responsibility, get him out of the lifestyle he lived, in which he was going nowhere. Gus had seemed to know that, he applied for a job at Tower. I also learned he had been trained and retrained several times, and that the manager had about had it up to here with him. She was giving him one more chance and then he was gone. Wanting to do something good, and thinking I might be able to given my psychology knowledge and interpersonal skills and so on, I tried to talk some sense into Gus, tell him exactly what he was doing with his life and why he should not be doing it. I tried to tell him the consequences of his actions, why he should learn stuff like patience, responsibility, and so on. He refused to listen to me, ended up cussing me out and screaming at me to leave him alone. I kept on trying to get through to him, many people agreed I was doing the right thing and doing it well, but he refused to pay any attention to me whatsoever. And he kept on making his mistakes. Eventually he got fired, and we all breathed easier.

Then, about two weeks later, stuff started happening to me. Bad stuff. Someone started leaving obscene messages on our answering machine, calling me all kinds of epithets and names and saying he was going to kill me. Soon I started picking up the phone and hearing the same voice saying the same things. I recognized the voice too, it was Gus. I wasn't the only one threatened either, Doug and my sister Stephanie both picked up the phone and got cussed out by him too. We called the police, they said they couldn't do anything as Gus was smart enough not to identify himself on the line. Then the pranks began. First somebody egged our door. Then somebody covered our car in peanut butter, pumpkin innards, chocolate sauce, and other sticky foodstuffs spelling out swear words and insults- it took us three hours to get it off with a hose. Then somebody threw a baseball at me while I was sitting with Doug in an outdoor cafetaria eating lunch, hit me hard in the shoulder. Gus left notes, the handwriting on which I recognized, and phone messages at our apartment claiming responsibility for all this and saying he was going to do worse given the time. I told the police, they tried to track him down but couldn't find him. Then someone- I know it was him because of another phone message- spray-painted a skull with Xs for eyes and "Bitch Lives Here" on our apartment door in blood-red paint the apartment mainteance people spent five hours removing. That was the last straw. After it, all Doug's and my friends started staking out and patroling the apartment complex (we don't have security here) to catch Gus. Jammer and Shauna ended up in a violent confrontation with him and a friend of his, a fellow drag rat and convicted felon who was helping him out in the prank campaign, that put both jerks in the hospital and then prison. They had come onto the property carrying sledge hammers and bags of sugar, looking for our car with intent to destroy it. I know this because they almost destroyed a car that looked a lot like ours, and Gus's accomplice confessed to their intent. They're both in prison now, fifteen years apiece.

That's not all either. A week and a half after Gus's arrest, his girlfriend walked out into the store and cussed me out without provocation, because "I had gotten her boyfriend fired and imprisoned." I tried to tell her the facts, that Gus had damned himself, but like her man she would not listen to me. She kept swearing so loudly that our store security guy had to kick her out of the building. A couple days later she was caught shoplifting a lot of merchandise from us, trying to make the store lay me off because it had lost revenue from that merchandise, and now she's in prison too. And I say good riddance to them both. I tried to help Gus, I tried to tell him the facts of what he was doing with his life and what he should do to shape up. I tried to teach him the lessons no one else ever had. And I was repaid with nothing but chastisement, anger, and a concentrated effort to damage my body and property coupled with stalking and threats on my life and those of my loved ones. To this day I still do not understand why he did this, why he was so stupid, and I probably never will.

I will say this though- DO NOT TELL ME THAT I HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHASTISE AND CENSOR THAT BASTARD. You know what he did to me now, and if you are a sane mature individual as you claim to be, I do not think you can say that I was in the wrong with him. I tried to help him, expecting nothing in return but satisfaction at having done so, and I failed because he refused to pay attention and accept the help. I was repaid with the campaign of terror I mentioned above, something that did not affect just me and something I never want to live through again God help me. Read the archives of this room's past couple months to know more about the events and what Doug and I went through during them. I assure you, they were utterly terrible. Nothing is worse than a person who refuses to acknowledge his mistakes, who blames others for the consequences of them, and doesn't even care that he should learn from what he's done. Nothing.

I will say this too- after reading your posts in here, I am throughly convinced that you are such a person. Yes, I know this is an insult, but it is also a statement of fact. You think you can easily disprove it, but you are wrong. I have plenty of evidence to back me up. I am currently half a semester away from achieving a bachelor's degree in human psychology, I have taken college debate classes and made As, I was on the debate team my senior year in high school, class newspaper media critic my junior year, and I have lived through more hardships than most sane people can believe, many of which I was responsible for through my own mistakes and many of which I was not. All this experience has taught me a great deal about what makes people tick, about their personalities, and about how to judge their characters. You, sir, are indeed everything Shadow Wolf and Gasper accuse you of being, and I say this even though all I know of you is what I've seen in here.

You say you are not stubborn, that you do not act like you are always right and no one else's opinion is worth a damn. Your very actions and words prove you wrong. You make negative prejudgements of authors like Shakespeare and Christine Morgan, when you have barely read any of their work, and voice them to the world, expecting us all to agree with you and getting frustrated and angry when we don't. You make prejudgements of situations you do not know about too, like Doug's and my deal with Gus. You say you have seen better stories than the ones you call bad, and when called upon to provide links to these stories so we can read them and see if you're correct, you refuse simply because of an insulting tone in the challenge when a true fan of those authors' works would want to share them with more readers. You stand by your views no matter what, and call others wrong whenever they state the opposite is true to you, never fully explaining why you think so. You refuse to even acknowledge the merits of each other's views, and seemingly do not care that we have different views from yours at all. You refuse to open your mind, and you chastise and get mad at us when we ask you to do so. You demand we live with you and adapt to your "debating style" when you refuse to adapt to ours or seemingly even listen to us once you see that we hold an opinion different from yours. Speaking as a trained and expert debater by many accounts, I can also say you don't even do debate right. You just make your arguments, you don't back them up. You refuse to acknowledge your opponents' claims, or argue with them about the issues in a manner other than "I'm right! You're wrong!" which I quickly learned gets you nowhere when up against a skilled debater. You also let personal attacks dominate the conversation when they are launched at you, not caring that you're getting off the issue and that these attacks should not matter to someone who wants to really prove they're right. I would like to meet the people you claim to debate regularly, shake their hands and congratulate them for putting up with all that you are. I am not surprised that they manage to defeat you so often, as you claim.

You claim not to have all these personality qualities, but you know what? Your word is not enough for us! At least it's not for me. And yeah, I know my word probably isn't enough for you to believe me either, but I trust that the majority of the people in this room, to whom I am a friend, will back me up. You bring friends of your own in here to back up your word, I might believe it. Until then I won't. Also, I must mention to you three grand truths of life, things that I have come to realize one must learn if one is to survive and mature in this world. One- Treat Other People The Way You Want Them to Treat You. Yeah, that could apply to many of us as well as you, but it still holds true for you, sir. Second, Know The Full Facts of a Situation Before You Make a Judgement On It. Otherwise you will get in trouble every time, just as you are here. And you're not even acknowledging the trouble you're in, not even saying you're gonna read more of Christine's work or Shakespeare's to see what we're talking about, blowing them off because you're sure you're right about all their work even though you've only read a little bit and that probably wasn't the best. You're also not letting us see what you're talking about with the stories you claim are better, you're not calling Shadow Wolf's bluff and giving us a link like a truly good debater would. This makes me wonder. The third lesson of life- Truly Cool and Superior People Do Not Have to Constantly Keep Insisting They are Superior. They Prove It By Their Actions. You are not proving it to me, or I think, many other people in here. If you've read this rant and paid attention, you should know why by now. If you don't believe me, go back and read your own words. In them is more proof of my allegations than I could ever provide on my own. You seem like an intelligent person, Paul, with the potential to be mature and understanding, to become a good debater and a more congenial and interesting person. I am sure I'm not the only person in the world who wishes you'd get off your high horse and exercise that potential. Who hopes you will not be like Gus and recognize someone who is trying to help. I am willing to help you, and I am able. I have many friends who can say so, not just in here. Where are your friends? If you want them, I suggest you listen up, read what I've said, and elevate your thinking processes.

I also suggest you get off the Xenogears binge. Speaking as a former media critic, who critiqued for her school paper Final Fantasies I, II, and VI, the Streets of Rage series, games in the Strike Series, the Final Fight series, games in the Street Fighter Series, and many other video games, impressing even the great videogame critic and writer Jeff Rovin with her reviews (he said so when he spoke on writing at our school and I talked to him afterwards), I believe I can safely say that Xenogears is not the great story you believe it is. Why? Many reasons. First off, it has enormous plot holes- Rico's father being the Kaiser or not, how Bishop Stone's face gets melted off, a lot about Jessie's past, and that's just naming a few of the more obvious ones. Second, it overuses a number of cliches in both plot and character- the damsel in distress, the villain who's really a figure from the hero's past, the all-powerful evil empire backing the villains, the heroes saving the world, the monster haunted by his appearance, the wise professor, the insane general with a psychopathic need to kill the hero, etc. Yeah, you might say it weaves these cliches together and uses them well, but I did not think so, and if you wish I can provide several links to reviews of the game other people have written that say the same thing and back themselves up quite well. I won't give the links till you give us these fic links you claim to have, fair's fair, but I do want you to know I have them. Another bad thing about Xenogears- it never fleshes out many of its characters as much as a truly great RPG would IMO. Take Grahf for example- we never learn exactly why he went nuts, and are confused by his true identity throughout the game, as well as his powers. He claims to be a seeker of power, and yet he is not one- he uses great power and gives it to other villains, he doesn't seek it. Or take Billy. We're given facts about his past, we see facets of his personality when he is first introduced, but he is never developed throughout the game at all. His father, an NPC, gets more development than he does. One must take for granted that he is on the heroes' side, when it is clear to any literary-minded person who plays the game that he should have gone through a lot of soul-searching before doing so and not just done it like he does. I can say similar things about Hammer, who becomes a villain seemingly simply for greed when that facet of his personality is not even established in the game. Nor is why he goes bad dealt with, we see him as a friend of the good guys, someone who is suddenly evil, a deranged cyborg who gets destroyed, and that's it. No more. Something else- Xenogears relies too much on confusing flashbacks and fantasy elements, way too much of which the player is forced to view and can not control. I'm not saying they're bad story, just that a truly great video game would allow the player more control over the action, especially on the 2nd disc. Not only that, it requires us to accept many developments and take them for granted without much explanation or clarification of events that suddenly become confusing- e.g. Grahf is Wiseman and Fei's father, Fei has the power of Id locked away inside him and can radically change his appearance and so on by invoking it, Krelian wants to save the planet by destroying it, the Elements who have been your adversaries are now your allies, Bart and co. are still alive after Id wreaked enough havoc on them in the desert to kill anybody normal IRL, and these are just a few of the many surprising developments in the story that are just shown to us and never fully explained. Also, Xenogears has many plot developments that IMO the average gamer would not like- you never fight Rattan, Mugwort, and Krelian as bosses even though they're bad guys; Elly has no Omnigear you can control; you can't even use Elly in the final dungeon when many players will have used her a lot and enjoyed doing so up until then (I know I did!); she becomes evil with little or no good explanation or resulting character development (the only good thing to come of that IMO was a great Xenogears hentai fic featuring Elly and Miang during the time Elly was captured and held prisoner by Miang and Ramsus which I found somewhere. Let me know if you want the link.). I could go on too, pointing out bits of dialogue and plot development that are disjointed and contradict stuff that has happened before in the game, but I think I've said enough. These are just the bad things about the game's writing, and IMHO they are all things that can ruin any story for the audience. Also I must point out that IMHO they are all things that Christine, Shakespeare, and other great writers do their best to avoid. It is IMHO for that reason that their works are true classics, not because of the test of time or a lot of people being entertained by them. For the record, I did enjoy a lot about Xenogears. The graphics and animation were excellent, the moves of the characters and especially their Gears were cool as heck, and I agree that there were many great lines voiced by the characters. But these things alone do not a classic game make. They were woven into a long, involving, and decent story in the game, but IMHO it was not anywhere near the great story you claim it to be for the reasons I claim it to be so. Hopefully you will listen to me on this, and at least acknowledge my views and try to see the merits of them besides the demerits. And you will tell me why you think I am wrong, as I'm sure you will, and not just say you do. Then, if necessary, you will engage in a responsible and fair debate with me about it and we can see who is right and who is wrong. I know how to conduct such a debate, I hope you do too.

Such a debate is now my challenge to you. By stepping up to the challenge and trying to do as I ask, hopefully succeeding, you will prove me wrong about you in many ways. You'll prove others wrong too.

If you refuse to accept, if you react to this post as you have to the other challenges I've seen leveled against you in here, well, in the words of Elly from Xenogears, "You're a coward!" And though you may not say it to us, deep down inside you I know your consience will be responding like Fei.

**END RANT**

Had to get that off my chest, sorry if it upset anyone. And don't worry, Atilla, I do still love you. <pets and nuzzles the kitty, then turns and walks out, stopping only to eviscerate DC>
Kitainia, aka Kit
Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:32:26 PM
IP: pool-63.52.171.40.dlls.grid.net

on = oh (kicks typo demon into flames)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:17:34 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-102.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

(gives Reverend Attila a couple quarters) Dance kitty dance! (softer tone-> Or pleeeeeeeeeeeease let me pet you instead on feline one :D
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:17:10 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-102.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*Valentine staggers in looking exhausted, and spots the scorchmarks on the walls* Gah, looks like you guys had a fun weekend too. :P ...I can't WAIT to find out what the ruckus was this time... *Drops into the Comfy Chair*
Just got back from Harding, where my family attended a production of "Man of La Mancha". My brother played the Don's noble steed. So that's six hours up, one afternoon to spend bumming around campus, two hours for the play, three hours to dismantle the stage, and then six hours home again. Throw in intermitent depression and an argumentative sister, and I'm amazed I'm still awake. :P
Real post tommorrow, when my brains quit running out my ears.

Peace.
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:05:31 PM
IP: 209-223-253-1.ausa.net

First of all, thanks ya'll. I appreciate the kind words. I'm feeling better now. This was a good weekend.

Second, a couple of comments:
Paul> I'm only going to try this once. Don't even bother to reply to it. This is just a piece of advice. Take it or leave it. -- Don't go to such lengths to defend yourself. When you do, whether you want to or not you perpetuate usless arguments. Most of what's discussed in this CR comes down to personal opinions. No matter how much evidence you have to support yours, it's no more or less valid than anyone else's. You really like Xenogears (which I hope I spelled correctly). I know a few people who don't care for it. I don't play CRPGs at all and think all of them pale before real, person to person Tabletop RPGs. All three points are "right" since they fit the perceptions of the people who hold them.

If you state a point and other people disagree, one rebuttal is probably all that's worth the effort. After that, no matter how well reasoned your arguments are, you start to bore all the people who aren't involved in your discussion AND you risk causing hard feelings. In a pure text discussion, with no facial expressions or vocal cues, it's easy to offend someone inadvertantly.

If I were you, I'd try to carry on those discussions by e-mail to the people involved. Almost everybody posts a mail link, and that way you're not filling the room with stuff that's only of marginal interest to most of the readers.

Everybody else: I'd advise most of you to just ignore Paul after the first round of a given argument. I, for one, am not so enamoured of the ideals of free discussion that I care to read endless paragraphs that boil down to "Xenogears is cool"; "No it's not"...

Rev. Attila: Goblin says "hi." Actually, at the moment she's saying "meow" and trying to get me to play with her, so I'd best wrap this up for the evening.

See ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:50:28 PM
IP: 198.215.20.210

I call upon the CR Gods, Oberon, Titania, and Sheba to WIPE THE CR OF FLAMES!!!

<FS waits>

Ok... That didn't work. HEY ROBBY! Why hasn't the CR been wiped? RL stuff?

Thanks everyone for their well wishes for me. I still can't open my mouth all the way (It was a pain in the cheek trying to eat a hamburger!), but most of the pain is gone.

The Comic-Con was pretty cool. Got some art and LM got a signed Brian Froud print.

Later. I am tired.
Fire Storm
Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:49:20 PM
IP: 02-102.008.popsite.net

Pauly boy> I think you're 13 persoanlly.

I was referring to Kitainia actually. It was side comment aimed at one female in the CR that I make passes at. I'm a naughty kitty too :)

Bronx> Take me away baby :) ::kitty noozles::
Reverend Attila - [revattila@catsrule.garfield.com]
Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:21:55 PM
IP: adsl-78-220-248.msy.bellsouth.net

::walks in wearing a referee's outfit::
whoaa.. okay settle down everyone!
*looks at Rev. Attila* As for you.. ::picks him up and strokes him:: your coming with me!

Have a good evening all
Bronx
Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:11:54 PM
IP: spider-th041.proxy.aol.com

All right, I'll apply two Posts, at least, to this place today to see if I can wrap up the potential/existent hostilities somewhat faster than the average person might comment.
Attila:
I didn't get p-i-s-s-e-d at you at all. Nor did you get a rise out of me in anything. I remained calm and typed what I typed calmly, plus the response was, I hope, appropriately not bitter and/or upset and something that kept a peaceful tone.
Its you who interpret otherwise.
I said I'd keep things civil here and I hope I did so.
Timmy, a stupid cartoon, and age... I see.
How old do you think I am, though? You're not getting my age, but I have a feeling I most certainly am old enough to watch that show if what I've heard about it is true.
XENOGEARS... Well, you didn't get a rise out of me. I hope you'll refrain from such behavior in the future. I said I'd keep stuff civil, and I'd like people to do the same towards me.
Kit... If you're referring to me and/or calling me a 'kit', I'm simply going to ignore that remark.

ShadowWolf:
"Then why the F**k did you bring it up to begin with?"
I brought it up to say Christine's most certainly not a 'God' among writers. That's different from views I gave in the past. I didn't go further and bash Christine this time, though. Even if I had, it would've been in a civil tone, as was requested.
Shakespeare... I've discussed this before and am not going to discuss it again. I stand by what I said... At least with what I read.

"Damn, sheep! You sure do give others a good bit of material to use! I don't care what you say, you sure are one arrogant bastard who sure is trying hard to prove he is always right."

I'm not, and I'll continue to say that. Accept it or don't as you see fit. Maybe you'll understand me eventually.

"I mean, telling people they had better accept your debate style? please."

You missed my point.
My point was people had better accept my debate style if they debate with me and friends of mine, because they're intelligent debators and debate stuff extensively and for people to get along with them, they need to accept mine (and I'm quite possibly nowhere near as good as they are) as well as accept that I'm not being 'always right', I'm simply debating my views extensively.
Doug, Kitainia, you did understand what I was saying, I hope?

"And lashing out a people who can't even read your posts? Tsk tsk tsk."

Its nothing like that.
If I have a problem with people not concerned with this group I can talk about it here. Doug, I believe, was talking about someone called Gus and problems he and/or Kitainia had with him. Were you censoring him concerning that as well? If you weren't, then you can't hold anything against me.

"Put up or shut up time, boyo. Give us a link, let us decide."

With your attitude?
Forget it. Given your attitude you'll most likely be inclined to be against me anyway, so it would hardly be a fair read. Therefore I'm not giving you any Links. I may give it to others and they may give it to you if they wish, but I'm certainly not giving you any Links.
And besides, I'm pretty sure I already know what people may think. Or maybe not... Who do you think's better? Or do you think they tie? Jewel Faulkner or Scott Iskow, or Christine Morgan?

"And, so what if Mrs. Morgan doesn't have any philosophical stuff. Can't she just write what entertains?"

'Entertains' doesn't always mean 'good'.
DRAGON BALL Z is supposed to be intertaining, yet its quite obviously utter trash, maybe even worse.

"*yawn* I'm getting boerd way to easily."

If that's directed at me, I'll ignore that remark.
And finally...
Gasper:
I'm not 'always right'. I don't accept your apology because its given in not-so-nice and inaccurate as well as possibly mean terms. I'm certainly not the ignorant fool here, though. And I certainly can take criticism, provided its not unfair and/or inaccurate.
And I don't really care if you view I've won or not. Winning hasn't been my intention. I'm sorry if you feel that way, I haven't ever intended to offend you and/or win anything, but most likely you're not going to accept that or understand me. Multiple talks we've had before should be proof of that, but there's no harm in trying again, I guess.

Paul

"........."-Jowy Atriedes
SUIKODEN II
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Sunday, October 22, 2000 09:50:30 PM
IP: 169.morristown-01-02rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Paul Nathans> You actually responded to me. I was wondering if you'd do that, kiddo.

You seem rather pissed at me. I must say it amuses me :) I'm just a cute cuddly kitty, but also an arrogant catnip snorting jerk. Maybe if I make you really mad, you'll catch on fire and I can roast marshmallows and salmon :)

Timmy is a South Park character, but i don't think you're old enough to watch that show yet ;)

I have nothing against XenoGears, but I knew that would get a rise out fo you. Yeah, I am an obnoxious prick, but what do you expect from a ten year old neuetered cat.

Anyway, you still love me, right Kit :)

Goodbye. I may be given a warning for being such a jerk. Ta ta!!
Reverend Attila - [revattila@catsrule.garfield.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, October 22, 2000 09:12:53 PM
IP: adsl-78-220-248.msy.bellsouth.net

*Shadow wolf enters the room, stretching and looking around for something to tear up.* Damn...that son of a b*tch doesn't let me out near enough. *stretches again* Ah, good...stuffy Arch let me out in time to play!

Paul><<I said I wasn't going to get into stuff like this again, despite that I believe I can do it in a more civil form and thus it should be okay for a public forum. I didn't even bash her, this time, merely said she's not a God among writers for reasons I've mentioned before. I didn't go further.
There's a large difference. A writer can still be good and not be a God. I'm not saying Christine falls under that example; I'm not saying she doesn't, either, though. I gave my views on her months ago and that's in the past>>Then why the F**k did you bring it up to begin with?

<<Now that I've read Shakespeare I have to say that I do not think his stories are anything big, and certainly nothing even close to XENOGEARS' level. >>Really.

*Reads the rest of Pauls posts* Damn, sheep! You sure do give others a good bit of material to use! I don't care what you say, you sure are one arrogant bastard who sure is trying hard to prove he is always right. I mean, telling people they had better accept your debate style? please. And lashing out a people who can't even read your posts? Tsk tsk tsk.
<< Two friends of mine, and the ones who can write thousands better than Christine Morgan, no contest, period, write stories with *very* deep characterization and at times even philosophical/analytical/message-type stuff.
Christine Morgan's characterization doesn't even brush the surface of what my friends can accomplish. As for philosophical/analytical/message-type stuff, since I haven't seen all of Christine Morgan's stories I can't comment on whether she'd have any, but the characterization and writing level of my friends is enough to beat hers anyday past the Moon and back.>>Put up or shut up time, boyo. Give us a link, let us decide. And, so what if Mrs. Morgan doesn't have any philosophical stuff. Can't she just write what entertains?

*yawn* I'm getting boerd way to easily.

Mrs. Morgan> The Arch and I both agree that you are an author very worth reading, and wish your little one a very happy birthday. And because of your request not to be the the epicenter of this one, I'll shut up now and let the Arch *Damn kill joy that he is* have the reins again.

Nice knowin' ya!

oh, since quotes are being thrown around
'Burn, Mother F**Ker, Burn!' Metallica, Fuel.
*Runs out of the room*

ShadowWolf
Sunday, October 22, 2000 07:59:25 PM
IP: viking202-88.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Fine Paul. I'm tired of it, you're not worth my time, because you're just another ignorant fool who can't take the criticism. For what it's worth I'm sorry Paul, you must always be right after all. All I have to say is, when you get out to college, I hope your dreams do come true, but the way I'm seein' things right now, you'll be sorely disappointed.

Revel- I apologize, Paul and I have history, and when he insults friends of mine, That makes me mad. I'll refrain from anymore posts that might start a war. But the fact remains that I feel justified in what I did, because I can't go around not defending people who don't know about his post, and can't defend themselves.

Once again, to the room, I apologize for my actions, and they will not happen again.

I guess you win Nathans.
Gasper - [gasper@icybrian.com]
Sunday, October 22, 2000 07:32:25 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Before anything else:
Attila:
It was my intention to keep civil this time, and I'll continue to do so despite your taunts and comments... The ones directed at me I could care less about, but the ones about XENOGEARS and/or concerning it versus Christine Morgan's stories I'd like to respond vehemently to.
I won't. I said I'd keep civil this time, and I darn well will keep civil towards anyone in this room. As I've stated before, I beleive, people and/or aspects unconcerned with this room are exempt from that, but that's it.

"Pauly Shore" Nathans> Yeah, I have as much respect for you as I do for Pauly Shore Nathans."

Isn't this a bit immature?
I said I'd remain civil, please do the same.

"I don't know what you have against Christine Morgan, but once again, you wind up bashing her."

I said I wasn't going to get into stuff like this again, despite that I believe I can do it in a more civil form and thus it should be okay for a public forum. I didn't even bash her, this time, merely said she's not a God among writers for reasons I've mentioned before. I didn't go further.
There's a large difference. A writer can still be good and not be a God. I'm not saying Christine falls under that example; I'm not saying she doesn't, either, though. I gave my views on her months ago and that's in the past.

"She is a great writer and if she made a video game, it woudl kick the ass of XenoGears ten tiem sover."

Christine would most definitely not beat XENOGEARS. And since to say she would is an insult to multiple friends of mine (as none have yet managed to beat XENOGEARS in any works of theirs, although one has come rather close), I'm obliged for their sakes to reply.
Please keep in mind that I'm doing this civilly. I will not repeat this each time I speak from now on, if you don't keep in mind this is intended to apply to my commentary in general as well, the responsibility is then yours.
Two friends of mine, and the ones who can write thousands better than Christine Morgan, no contest, period, write stories with *very* deep characterization and at times even philosophical/analytical/message-type stuff.
Christine Morgan's characterization doesn't even brush the surface of what my friends can accomplish. As for philosophical/analytical/message-type stuff, since I haven't seen all of Christine Morgan's stories I can't comment on whether she'd have any, but the characterization and writing level of my friends is enough to beat hers anyday past the Moon and back.

"In fact, Xeno Gears is a game more suitable for
play by gusy like Timmy, so go Timmy yourself, Tim-may!!"

I don't know what you're talking about here.
As you haven't played the Game, most likely, I'll ignore your remark and attribute what you said as not valid, as you don't know what you're talking about.
If you're looking for a fight and/or trying to pick on me, you're not going to get one. I can deal with people picking on me. If its directed at me I ignore it or simply debate back (and I'll continue to do it civilly as I told I would).
GSide: Good points on a lot of stuff, and thanks for the clarifications. :)
You've seen about half of NEON GENESIS EVANGELION? What do you think of it so far?
IKARI WARRIORS... I won't bother with it, most likely. I'm usually not for action Games.
'Ever'... What you said maybe be so, but I'm not using it in certain contexts just in case.
Kitainia:
Christine's not Goddess of writers, either, unless used in Warpmind's context, or unless her official writings are *far* better than her Fanfictions.
Warpmind:
Good points about Christine.
The Dreaded Traveler:
The Japanese people produce cartoons...
I'll take your word for it since you didn't try to claim all their animation is cartoons.
I am not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not the 'head Xenogear'. :)
I love XENOGEARS, and have for a long time. So?
Revel: The fault isn't mine this time. I haven't been doing anything wrong. I said I'd keep civil and I have been so far. I certainly haven't been trying to act like a self-centered jerk.
Winterwolf: Thanks for the welcome! :)
Gasper:
I'm going to ignore all your comments on my perspectives, debating skills, and concerning insults against me (like I'm a coward). I know they're not accurate and I've grown tired of trying to get you to understand me.
As for the 'open-minded' stuff... The people at IcyBrian's group may be more open-minded than some, but not as much as people who I can really call open-minded. Exceptions: Jeremy and ZealPropht, to name two. I don't know about Taran yet.
Others, like Saul... Definitely.
And as for mIRC... I block off my room so people don't come in and start talking about physical stuff (s-e-x stuff for anyone who's wondering what I'm talking about).
I don't care about whether you respect me or not, I'll use the term 'Electronic Mail' when and how I please, that's why I've been using that term before, and I don't and it was never my intention to feel like a big man.
As for your last comment: I'll simply ignore that. Its of no meaning to me one way or another, and I won't follow it, whatever it means.

Paul

"There are as many truths as there are people."-Ryoji Kaji
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION:
THE BEAST WHICH SHOUTED 'I' AT THE HEART OF THE WORLD
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Sunday, October 22, 2000 06:24:02 PM
IP: 91.morristown-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Hmm. the room is not cleaned, YET. that makes me wonder.

1+1=4 <-- could be logical or insanity, depends on my intent.

That's all for now.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, October 22, 2000 06:07:18 PM
IP: max1-61.cwy.cei.net

Quick bits!

Shadowrider: Welcome back, even if it's brief. Thanks also for the correction on your choice of professions and for posting that cool oath. Hope to see you again soon.

SOROW: Things went down the tubes again? Aack! Why? Well, if you need friends, you have plenty in here. We'll be praying for you and hoping things will improve soon, please let us know if there's anything we can do to help.

Christine: Well, one does have to admit Paul's right about one thing. You're not a GOD among writers. You're a GODDESS. <grin> Speaking of which, I'm almost through with Dark of the Elvenwood, I'll get comments to you soon. Please wish Becca a very big happy birthday from Doug and me.

More later.
Kitainia
Austin, Texas, Earth
Sunday, October 22, 2000 05:06:17 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.60.dlls.grid.net

RP WARNING!!!
**St. Petersburg, Russia
The Green Baron and the Catholci schoolgirl scouts have been captured by Benny Hinn's agents. Jan and Paul of TBN watch and gloat with Benny Hinn. Meanwhile, the Ornage Duke stands with them, laughing even more.

"Lord Cromwell will be pleased. In the name of Scriptum Solorum, I have captured the Green Baron and the Catholic schoolgirl scouts. Reverend Attila is rotting away in Hillary Clinton's dungeon. OJ has been eliminated, and soon we will have Tuxedo Bob Dole and Charleton Heston taken care of. Today is truly a cause of celebration. Then, I will takeover the remaining Orange Men in Ulster and takeover Great Britain, establishing msyelf as the next Lord Protector, ending the monarchy and also ending the other monarchies in Europe, especially the new Hapsburg dynasty.

Another man in a dark suit and beard listens and nods as if he isn't paying attention. He gets closer to the Green Baron and shows him a ring on his finger containing a ruble symbol.

"Brother in Commerce, you are an agent of the capitalist Jedi. Just when all seemed lost, capitalsim saves the day," whispers the Green Baron.

"Dah. You will be as free as the marketplace, but not just yet. The neo-Communists have captured Aleksander Romanov and will kill him soon. I have loosened the bonds. We strike in ten minutes. The Orange Duke will have left and we can't fight him, yet. The others will make good cannon fodder. Therese and Brigitte come with me to rescue Aleksander. GB, you, Bernadette and Angelica will take on the TBN crowd."

"Thank you for this help, capitalist brother. I will not forget this. May you be made boyar of great lands when the Romanovs are restored."**
TO BE CONITNUED

Shadowrider> Don't forget to give GB a snail mail. You still have his address, right?

Jenna> What can I say? I'm the King of Disco felines, baby :)

Revel> You present a good point, but he is fun to play with like a frightened cockroach or a rat :)

Rulok> greetings to the costumed great :)

SOROW> ::kitty hugs:: Life can be rough for humans sometimes.

DPH> Cars are a definite hassle. GB is incredibly happy he can use the bus. It only costs him $55.00 a month.

Traveler> Welcome back, though I see you on occasion. I hoep you can help me. $Hillary Clinton has me trapped in her dungeon, and my favorite hitman OJ has been vaporized.$

Sevarius Jr.> Maybe it may have been in poor tatse for Lazio to intimidate Hillary, but if anything bad ever happens to her, she is a super b*tch and a c*** and she deserves everything bad that will ever happen to her :)

Hello, Kari. Meow!!

Jaden> GB will e-mail you soon. Did you get an e-mail from him a while back?

"Pauly Shore" Nathans> Yeah, I have as much respect for you as I do for Pauly Shore Nathans. I don't know what you have against Christine Morgan, but once again, you wind up bashing her. She is a great writer and if she made a video game, it woudl kick the ass of XenoGears ten tiem sover. In fact, Xeno Gears is a game more suitable for play by gusy like Timmy, so go Timmy yourself, Tim-may!!

Niamhgold, Mara, Kathy, Kitainia, Dame Corax, and Dreamie> ::purrrr::, ::nuzzle::

And the Green Baron will post soon.

Gisde> Hmmm, lesser pantheon of gods. Interesting idea. As for calling Christine Mrs. Morgan, GB called Beth Mrs. Weisman at first, which is very much a reflex. Christine is only twelve years older, so a first name is perfectly proper. Now, if she were in her 50s, Mrs. Morgan would be more appropriate.

James Birdsong> Give me money and I can dance the night away, especially since I now own Studio 54 :)

Christine> Happy Birthday to your Becca. As for pirates, I engage in soem forms of piracy, mostly in Rodlox watches and Macrosoft, my own Microsoft knockoff :)

Warpmind> The arrival of a certain troll reminds me we need to start up on that MST. I wonder what made us just forget about it.

Spacebabie> Same goes to you ;)

I'm off. Meow!!
Reverend Attila - [revattila@catsrule.garfield.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, October 22, 2000 04:40:14 PM
IP: adsl-78-220-248.msy.bellsouth.net

*Warpmind enters, grinning sheepishly.*
Gee... my latest fic has already received five stars... methinks the stars are hanging low in this archive. ;)

Shadowrider: I believe you - ANY oath should be, if not pompous, then at least an emotional experience for everyone involved. If not... well, would *you* trust the oath?

Christine: I officially apologize for the potential risk. (By the way... "giant brouhaha"?)

Revel: Nope, no sound yet... :( Then again... we still have a few months left before the event. ;)

Brooklyn: Writers Block, you say? Must be going around... just managed to finish a new fic, myself... after untold months of stagnation. :) You'll get back on track, amigo. (By the way... was it a typo, or a xenomorph action in the RP, where you described a shadowy figure emerging from an ally? Sounded a bit painful for the ally, 'tis all...) ;)

**RP**
Warpmind studied the book more closely.
"Waitaminute... something's wrong... there's a page missing, so skillfully removed that you don't spot it at once... Now, where could that have gone?"
Out of the corner of his eye, he spotted Sammael studiyng the magazine, and a small piece of parchment sticking up over it.
"Sammael, you guttermind, gimme that... looks like someone used the page as a bookmark."
Blushing, Sammael handed over the magazine, amidst many snickers from his fellow demons. Seizing the loose page, Warpmind handed back the magazine and fit the page back into the book.
"Ah, this looks like a loophole... if the duel is a moot point, such as if the combatants are hopelessly mismatched, a nonviolent option can be pursued..."
SJ looked up.
"You think we're mismatched?"
"Well, a demon in a necroplasmic body versus a normal human... I'd say it'd be a massacre, not a fight. Let's look at nonviolent possibilities..."
Sammael peered over Warpmind's shoulder, eyebrows shooting WAY up.
"Oh, no, you gotta be kidding... anything but that..."
SJ frowned.
"I like the sound of that. What's the suggestion?"
Warpmind turned the book around to let SJ and Kari see.
"You're not gonna believe this, but the book actually suggests... yahtzee."
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 22, 2000 04:34:43 PM
IP: mp-217-237-90.daxnet.no

Hey guys! How is everyone? I'm good!
My fanfic isn'y going along as well as I'd like but hey writer's block is a b***h! Here a few replies as well as an RP.
<Winterwolf>
Hey my connection is no longer screwed up! So we can go about our normal business without interuption!
<Emambu>
The 2nd episode of Future Tense is almost complete! I hope you aswell anyone else who reads it, enjoys it!
<BFTS RP>
Manhattan 3995

The portal opened up. Out stepped the brown gargoyle sword drawn incase of a battle.
No one was there. Or anywhere for that matter. He looked around hoping to find one sign of life.
Could Oberon�s magic have been wrong? Could he have been too late for this battle?
Then a shadowy figure emerged from an ally.

�Are you the one?�

�The one?� Uriel asked the figure.

�Are you Uriel? The chosen one from Avalon?�

�Aye that is me. Who might you be?�

�I am Equus. I�m merely the first stop on your quest.�

�Well as long I�m here can you tell what this is?�

The gargoyle reaches in his knapsack and pulls out a small gargoyle statuette.
�This statue is needed to lift a curse of an ally of yours. Once I send you to the that place in time you can help by letting another transfer the curse to you.�

�Now why would I want someone to curse me?�

<End BFTS RP>

By guys! See ya later!

Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 22, 2000 03:56:35 PM
IP: 216.117.75.81

Um... guys girls and all beings in between. I've notice some heat and tempers beginning to rise in dealing with Paul. Hell, Joe down the hall could probably feel it and he doesn't even have a computer. The point is that this place is better than reality for several reasons. The one I want to point out is if someone is trying to act like a self-centered jerk than we simply shun them and ignore their words. You can't do that in RL, well not totally at least. That's all I'm going to say on that.
On to more important things

Warpmind- Has any one contacted you on the room at the Gathering? Probably not. Wtill looking for any takers on that one.
Sorrow-Eh, I think maybe a little time away from home at a friends house could be what you realy need. I'm sorry.

Christine- I don't have kids of my own, but I remember when my cousin Cutter (yes, that's his legal name) was eight and we threw him a party. Have fun and avoid any flying pastries.

Shadowrider- I'm not a military man myself, but I'm glad your enjoying yourself.

Now to enjoy my only day off.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, October 22, 2000 02:19:27 PM
IP: spider-wd044.proxy.aol.com

**Winterwolf steps out of a snowstorm through the front door and into the room**

Hi everybody! I'm off to enjoy another nice day! ^_^ Thought I'd make some replies early in case I don't get the opportunity later!

Rulok> Hmm, that really sounds like a great idea! I'll check it out and then I can watch Gargoyles episodes I haven't seen in years! Thanks! **Grins and adds it to his shopping list** :)

Niamhgold> <math and science combined with art> I thought of you as intelligent. Seeing the use for computers, science and mathematics as worthwhile just confirms how smart you are and well rounded. <emails> I'll try not to bury you under a pile of them! As a friend I just wanted to keep you up to date and share everything that's going on with me. :) I know you'll write back when you can! I can't and won't ask for anything more than that! Thank you! ^_^ <Colin> I'm sure I'd like Colin. I was just referring to what he did. Not everyone thinks the same things are funny! **shrugs** If I came off badly in that email or here in the Comment Room I offer my sincerest apologies! I wanted to say my peace but meant for it to come out as simple teasing. Okay? **huggles** <troubles> Hey your friends are lucky to have you to go to! I know it is really tough cause everyone has stuff going on in their own lives, but I think if we all have someone to confide in we would be able to keep each other in high spirits most of the time and help through any times of need! Talk to you more later! ^_^

Shadowrider> <snail mail> If you didn't get the second mail yet I'm thinking it might be heading back to me... I sent it on the 10th and that's way too long for airmail! :( On the plus side since I typed up the second one I saved a copy on my PC so I'll send it to you via email immediately just in case! :) <unlucky guy in your Section> Well that certainly sounds bad! I'm sure he's not likely to oversleep on the train next time! ;) I've taken a nap so many times while on trains or busses I'm actually proud to announce that I've managed to exit at my stop every time so far! A large amount of those naps are because I'm really tired too so I count myself lucky in that respect. :)

I'm off to the romp around outside for a while! See you next time!

**Winterwolf exits the room with a far away, you might say Dreamie, look in his eyes and a big smile on his face**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, October 22, 2000 02:19:21 PM
IP: 1cust64.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net

Sorry for 2nd post. I was just passing by for a control, when I realized I had forgotten to reply to someone...and to someone who is very important for me!

Niamhgold:> I apologize for not replying you in my last post...I really can't explain how it happened, it really slipped away from my mind.
Thank you for welcoming back, it is good to see you again. Well, how things are going for you? I read that you found someone who shares some of your inclinations. Maths and science are beautiful subjects for me as well (although I think I prefer Physics rather than pure Mathematics). With this, of course, I don't mean that arts and litterature are not important...rather the opposite. I think that a person needs both of them to be complete, and seems that you and your friend Sergio think the same...what makes me happy.

See later
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Sunday, October 22, 2000 12:09:51 PM
IP: h217-168-44.mi2.albacom.net

Warpmind and all others who might be so inclined > please, in all earnestness PLEASE let's not start another argument about me and my writing with Paul. I know we're probably statistically overdue for another giant brouhaha in here, but I'd really rather not be the cause or center of it. Please.

Gside > thank you! And as for my mother-in-law, yes, you're right, good point, but she was also of quite a different generation than I am and of a much more traditional upbringing ; )

Becca's birthday > thanks, all, for the well-wishes! The house is decorated, the cake is made, and I just need to find something to keep her occupied for another five hours so she doesn't go buggy from anticipation! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, October 22, 2000 12:00:53 PM
IP: 07-112.009.popsite.net

OoooO!! Disco Inferno- Reverend Attila- take it away kittie!!

hehehe
jenna aka Cairo of clan steelclaw
Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:39:23 AM
IP: 1cust45.tnt20.hou3.da.uu.net

(applauds Reverend Attila's disco dancing) Shadowrider> I had a great night thanks for asking
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:01:38 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-165.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Here again. Had a good Saturday night, all of you?

I don't know if there are some new faces around...if it is so, welcome here and make yourself at home!

Winterwolf:> Hi, pal, nice to see you. No, I still didn't receive your letter...but, in the last three days, I've been so busy with the preparations for the ceremony that I couldn't control if there was mail for me. It is probable that I'll find it as I'll return. Some nice eps? There have been some...for example, something happened to a guy in my Section: when we leave the Rgt. in licence, we are supposed to return within the 11 PM of a determined day (for example,I'm supposed to return within the 23.00 of Tuesday). Now, this guy had taken the train to return, it was about 8.00 PM, and he was supposed to arrive around the 9 PM. All right...except that he fall asleep in the train and awoke when he was at 150 Km from Cremona, and with less than an hour to return. Well, he was able to return...with a taxi, and he had not enough money, so we had to borrow it to him. He arrived late, what is a serious violation, but our Captain decided not to punish him too badly...for his luck.

Warpmind:> Nice to see you as well. About the Oath...believe me, it is a very touching ceremony, and it is a tradition for the Italian Army. Every new group of soldiers has it.

Dreamie:> Hi! And thanks for the welcome back. Winterwolf talks a lot about you in his letters, so I feel I'm beginning to know you very well. And, for sure, I don't want to be a stranger...;)

Gside:> Kelbasa: sounds good...I'll have to try it...;)

See you!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Sunday, October 22, 2000 07:51:41 AM
IP: h213-18-68.mi2.albacom.net

*Warpmind enters, faint tendrils of smoke emanating from his fingertips.*
Well, seems my chibis are headed home... finally managed to finish a new fanfic. :) AND it's already sent to the archive. :) (This marks the end of my creativity block, I hope...)

Dreamie: I, too, saw that trippy cartoon commercial... and, like you, I'm led to wonder about its meaning. Hmmm... Wilek, check if "Chu-Chu" can be a variation on "Cthulhu", will ya?

DPH: It's not necessarily bad to buy a car over 10 years old. If you check out Bruce Campbell's anecdote (can't recall the addy now, unfortunately, but it's on his website...), you'll see why. Really, it's a fun story. :)

Sorow: Owie! Hope things straighten out, and soon... :|

Gside: *Hands over two cyber-cookies.* Well you got both references. :) Granted, the second might not be for everyone here to know, but... 'tis a fun series, those Evil Dead films, aye? (And those amateur productions bagged some Oscars, even...)

Yo! Rulok! Haven't seen any trace o'you for a while... say, that website o' yours... is it dead, or did you move it? 'Cause I can't seem to find that costume blueprint anymore. :(

Well, gotta go. Weird that the CR isn't wiped yet, though... I'll leave you with a travesty. I must go to study the Arts, Arcane as well as our crutch.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 22, 2000 01:34:48 AM
IP: mp-219-217.daxnet.no

Gasper> Before you tear up Nathans, let me join you :)

::Attila snorts some catnip up a straw and then breakdances disco style::

I guess I just have Saturday Night Fever :)
Reverend Attila - [revattila@catsrule.garfield.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Sunday, October 22, 2000 01:34:40 AM
IP: adsl-78-220-248.msy.bellsouth.net

** Niamhgold enters **

Hey, gang! Long time no see! Still don't have _that_ much time tonight, because I went to the symphony last night and need to catch up on my work, but I'll try my best!

Gside: <Good to have you back> :D Thanks! Same to you! Glad things are going well, too. <Depression> I have to argue that, actually, the art students here are faring better than students that go to general universities--those, sometimes, are the students who couldn't think of anything better to do than go to college. Here, I think the main problem is that they're intimidated by kids that have travelled the globe and have great talent (and, being like me, having never done anything like that, it's scary).
On the bright side: I was walking through the main gallery with my pal Sergio when we noticed a wall covered entirely in equations, graphs and statements about relativity, singularity, continuims, and the like. I was so happy to see physics and calculus that I ran and hugged the wall...and turns out Sergio is just as scientifically inclined! Yay, someone who _doesn't_ think of math and science as stupid subjects! I hope it makes you feel good to know that we had a good conversation about Hawkings, and that Serge paints simply to immortalize his love for Einstein :D

Winterwolf: Will respond to e-mails as soon as possible! Glad work's okay, but you'll pull through! Oh, yeah...don't diss my friend Colin! ;) J/K. You can diss him if you want, but, if you hung around with the kid, you'd like him. :D Besides, he's no worse than Brian ;)

Emambu: Received your e-mail and thanks SO much! You gave me so much feedback that I could cry! ** Hugs ** Please pull through school well, as I will be trying to, and may our workloads cease to steadily incline in size ;)

Doug: Thanks for the wishes about the advice...so far, it isn't anything seriously serious (like a friend wanting to commit suicide or anything), but if it gets that way I'm gonna have to see the counselors around here. I think people also forget that I have problems of my own, but it's just that I'm not very open about them.

Shadowrider: Welcome back, glad you popped in! Will work on forewording some snail-mail!

Man, this is all the time I have for now! Adios!
Niamhgold
Sunday, October 22, 2000 01:24:29 AM
IP: 206.41.204.68

Winterwolf - You CAN get Toon Disney. Cut your cable and get a small satellite dish. Either DirecTV or Dish Network will do.
Rulok - [jmiller1@satx.rr.com]
San Antonio, tx, US
Sunday, October 22, 2000 12:09:53 AM
IP: cs162175-13.satx.rr.com

**Winterwolf enters with a huge hug for SOROW**

I just got back from a nice day outdoors and later this afternoon I went shopping for clothing. ^_^

SOROW> **holds you and lets you lean on him as long as you want to** I really was hoping that things would go well for you with your parents. :( **continues to hold you and offer his silent support**

Dreamie> <my good cheer> Hey Dreamie! I'll give you a bigger portion when I see you online later! ^_^

Shadowrider> <snail mail> The reason I asked about the second letter I sent was since I used the new address you gave me! ;) Any funny or interesting stories while in the service? :)

Paul> Welcome! Didn't get to say this earlier! :)

Christine> Happy Birthday Becca!

Kari> A warm welcome to you! ^_^

FireStorm> <turkey blood> Well I hear if you brine a turkey it tastes better! Seriously I hope you are fine now! :)

I thought I had so much more to say! Oh well! Good night! :)

**Winterwolf stays to offer comfort to SOROW**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, October 22, 2000 12:08:07 AM
IP: 206.15.120.112

I just noticed that I messed up the order of my previous post. Everything from Shadowrider through my tagline should have been at the end. It doesn't matter much, though I do like to keep the mp3 and tagline at the end.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, October 21, 2000 11:37:36 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Welcome Kari.

Warpmind> <>: Evil Dead series.
<<Let's just drop the whole ether debate, shall we?>>: Okay, and I will concede that there might be sonething there, but it doesn't follow the definition or behavior for the ether that they were looking for.
<<the Succubus Monthly thing was RP stuff, not RL stuff... really. It was. Honest>>: There is truth in everything. I'm pretty sure most of the Darkstalkers doujinshi out there would count.
<<As for giving you guys credit... well, did you write the answer?>>: Macbeth.

Shadowrider> Nice seeing you. And in case you missed it, kielbasa is Polish sausage, and is very tasty.

Lynati> <<don't you know all generalizations are false?>>: Isn't it usually "...have exceptions, except for this one"? But you can have a lot of fun with them.

SOROW> May you find happiness. Soon.

Well, here's some more Moxy. This time they're convering a song by the Bee Gees, and doing it so much better than they could ever hope. It's I've Gotta Get a Message to You by Moxy Fr�vous.

Na zdorov'ya.
Traveler> <<our bodies have been evolving to fight/prevent cancer cells... at the expense of the ability to repair large scale cellular/physical damage>>: Well, the slower you (re)grow, the slower your cancer grows. Giving you more time to deal with it.

Christine> <<aw, come on, pretty please ... 'Mrs. Morgan' makes me feel so old and stodgey>>: Oh, all right. I have addressed you as such many time since you last objected. It just got to me too much.
<<That's my mother-in-law's name>>: Just remember that at one point, you too will be a mother in law. And she had to go through this at one point, too.

Paul Nathans> <<Gside (or) GSide?>>: Either. I've never capitalized both, though.
<>: I take it you don't have as much of a taste for the classics. Ikari Warriors is an old NES top down action game. Very mindless, but somewhat addictive. You could continue an infinite number of times by pressing BAAB after you died.
<<If its a joke, that might make no sense>>: The low quality of my sense of humor has been proven recently and repetedly.
<<My 'Shinji Ikari' name refers to one of the main characters of the anime masterpiece NEON GENESIS EVANGELION>>: Of course. I've seen about half of it. But then again, I think a lot of people take things (which things varies from person to person) too seriously. I do remember hearing that Shinji Ikari translates as Warrior of Anger.
<<Silent protagonists... I'm not too amused with them either>>: But it increases the iconographic nature of the character, allowing the viewer/player get more involved in the role. Sorry, I just skimmed through Understanding Comics again today.
<>: I think when used in conjunction with before, ever just acts as a modifier stressing the extention into history. Only when used on its own do I believe it implies both future and past.

Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, October 21, 2000 11:33:53 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

To the Room: I apologize I have to do this, but he's just insulted a bunch of people I consider friends, one, a best friend. Note, I would love to swear a bluestreak, but I'll be keeping this PG-13.

Paul, that's it. Obviously, you're too much a pansy little honorless COWARD! HOW DARE you insult people who can't read this. I posted what ya said. I'll put it in Icy's forums. You have no SENSE of the word honor. You wonder why we don't agree with you? Let me pull up a log or 20.

What is your debating style? That if no one agrees with you, you'll be an ignorant Sonuvagun, and the end the conversation, yet, if someone tries to end the conversation, you keep going? Your research? It's based on word of mouth and books. Start discussing real life topics when you ACTUALLY EXPERIANCE REAL LIFE!

The people in Icy's chats, hell, we're open-minded, but the innane CRAP you pull outta your rear makes no sense, so we Gave up. You wonder why we don't want you around? You cause trouble, you create strife. People don't like you because you literally piss on their opinions and enforce your own above all. I admire convictions, but you don't even listen to the other side. And now, you come in calling us "certain hypocrites and not-so-swift people"? Again, you wonder why we don't want you around?!?!

The thing that gets me, is that you bother my friends in the chat, and then, when someone wants to debate this post, and you're online (AND I KNOW YOU ARE SHINJI_IKARI in #NERV in Espernet.) but you don't respond? You're not idle. You're just a coward who won't stand by his convictions. By the way, I find it interesting that you won't let anyone in to "debate" with you, and keep it to Invite only.

That's all. Don't debate this until you're ready to talk face to face on IRC, because you know what, I won't EVER respect you till you do...and believe me, you did hold a small amount before this.

Do you feel like a big man? Do ya?

And one last thing, It's E-mail you prick. It'd OKAY to call it that, people will understand.
******END RANT**********

I apologize for saying all that here, but when this BOY with no honor does something like this, it needs a response.

Again, sorry, except to Paul, who all I gotta say to is: Stick it.
Gasper - [gasper@icybrian.com]
MN, US
Saturday, October 21, 2000 11:29:28 PM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Sorow- It's terrible that your parents said those things and that you've been going through a rough time. I hope things work out for you. If you want to talk you have my e-mail.

Christine- Good luck with the B-day.

Later
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
KoreaSaturday, October 21, 2000 11:21:18 PM
IP: 211.216.216.34

Sorow>I'm sorry to hear about what's happening between you and you're folks. :( I go through a lot of crap like that with my family too sometimes. Hope things turn out ok in the end.
Mary Flanders
Saturday, October 21, 2000 11:09:13 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Okay, I just want you to forget everything I previously said about things being great. My parents found a new reason to fight with me last night and my dad almost hit me and my mom called me a witch. I just got a third degree burn from the glue gun while making my boyfriend's garder for homecoming. He just called and told me that he can't go with me to the dance because the band made area and they have to perform that night. Everything's peachy?! Just *@#! the whole lot of it!
SOROW
Saturday, October 21, 2000 07:52:27 PM
IP: a020-1113.dll2.splitrock.net

1+1=2

Darn idiotic management. at least even higher levels of management will hear complaints from lower management about problems going on.

that's not all, folks.

**CAR RELATED**
Ok, I know the rule of thumb is not to buy anything over 10 years old, because of potential problems. I will be looking for something with good miles per gallon and is very safe. Any suggestions? I was thinking the best place to look would be a small used car lot, because they would have to turn over the inventory frequently to make money.
**END CAR RELATED**

Happ birthday/belated birthday to anyone who is reading this, including LURKERS.

The sum of the digits of the month and day of my birthday are equal to the product of the digits of the month and day of my birthday.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, October 21, 2000 05:56:39 PM
IP: max1-1.cwy.cei.net

*Lynati Enters*

*scans comment room*
well, D@#%!

You miss one day, and...
>sigh< the computer lab isn't open on fridays...so until I get my own computer...

"A Kiss of Shadows" (Laurell K. Hamilton) is out already. read it. liked it a lot.

Fire Storm: <teeth> Ow. back when I got my wisdom teeth out, all I could taste was chocolate pudding. (...)
(The I got a dry socket infection, and all I could taste was clove oil. *Shudders*) Hope you feel better soon.

Gside: don't you know all generalizations are false? (...heh.)

Sevarius Jr.: It took you two weeks to read the Goblet of Fire? Geesh. It only took me one day.
(...of course, _I_ have no social life...)

Christine: Will do... ...good luck with the Birthday... ...Of course! It only stands to reason!...

Doug: Despite how my posts may look (and I _know_ how they look) I'm not actually trying to get on staff. I LIVE inside my own stories, and the characters have developed differently there. Trying to write for the TGS storylines would be brainnumbing, as I'd have to switch over from my veiw to their's and back again all the time... The one short fanficfic that lands a character from my cast into the TGS world is going to be hard enough to write out.

Robby: Thanks. Actually, I have my own series ; MY TRUE characters are always crossing dimensions to other (people's) worlds; so almost all my stories are crossovers. It's seeing how badly my cast messes with the characters in a set storyline (Buffy, Exo-Squad, Forever Knight) and how things eventually get sorted out that is the fun of it all. The war that is happening in "my" dimension is actually secondary to the developements of interpersonal relationships (and I mean family, friends, enemies, etc; not JUST boyfriend/girlfriend relationships) .

Hmmm...I'm just going to keep going. I hope all of you are comfortable.

But in my stories, the events have happened to the "real" storylines as well; but as said events can't affect the real storyline, I have added the fun little cliche that the "non-mine" characters simply "forget" what has happened after the dimensional doors close, and chalk it up to quirks in interdimensional "science". (this phenomena, of course, doesn't affect my characters). although, if the my characters come back -the second the gates are reopened- memories start returning, too.
However- when a show "dies", it becomes fair game. I can screw with people no matter how i want, and don't have to worry about continuity. This includes killing of characters, or even adding them to my own cast. This happened with Forever Knight and Exo-Squad; My way of "putting right what once went wrong" , as it were.

But with gargoyles, I have been put in a position I never had to deal with before- the ressurrection of a show.
How to deal with the revival of the Amber (Roger zelazney referance) of a storyline when i've been playing with one of It's shadows? Do I change the main events of my ficverse to better match the "truth"? (I debated with myself...)
No.
Actually, I have been given the delicious task of figuring out how certain characters (who are present in TGS) might wind up meeting the gargoyles when the original circumstance (i.e., what happened in TGS) didn't occur. Events, too.

In my version, Brooklyn never becomes the timedancer; Etolie still makes it to England, but without the eggs-which had been destoyed. (Ah, the fun of having a necromancer able to bring back almost any gargoyle who died in stone sleep...within the last 700 years. And rookeries of any age...but I digress.) Madoc and Maeve were both killed looong ago. Thus, there was no Quarrymen, no unseelie war, and a dozen other little things change. Lex still winds up Cyborged because Jackal and Hyena (and wolf), without madoc their to stop them, really do beat him to the point that he actually does require implants to survive.
Interestingly, almost the entire Pendragon cycle comes through unchanged. Due to TGS being "Amber", things that happened there do have an affect in the shadows it casts. Dulcinea still has the freaky dreams that lead her to end up among the neo-Knights; The banshee has been having nightmares of the entire Unseelie war of TGS universe, including Umbriel's death, that lead her to make changes in her life . Tarot readings pointed to something big that was supposed to occur, but didn't. Powerful magical forces have been released - but nobody here is sure why. Thus, the knights are still active in the "knighting" deptartment.
Of course, MOST of my verion has nothing in common with the main storyline happenings of TGS.
It's the things I never bothered to deal with (London and the Illuminati, etc.) that stayed "the same" .
...and the reason for that, of course, is just that ALL OF TGS's STORYLINES ARE SO (#$#$%&-ing) BRILLIANT!

Also-The only characters I take credit for are the ones I deserve it for; anybody who ever reads my writings is going to know how much of it is based on the original gargoyles and The Gargoyle's Saga, and how much (and who) of it is my own creation. I am aware of how much I owe to TGS, not just in relation to my stories but also in it's own right.

Ahhh...I've just been wanting to get that off my, err, mind, for a while. Feels good. Don't yell at me.

*Lynati starts changing colors as she rereads her post, comes close to erasing all her confessions, but chooses to leave it as is and hopes nobody decides to smack her. *
*Lynati turns, and races off through the curtains*
Lynati
Saturday, October 21, 2000 05:39:18 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

<Dreamie bounds into the CR, waving at all inside>

CtB: Congrats on the new job offer!

Attila and DT:<<Birthday>> Thanks! ^_^ <grins and scratches the little tabby behind the ear> And Welcome back DT!

Doug:<<Operation Death Strike>> If I were that kid I�d search out the original boy band mold, attach a few packs of C4 and let the good times roll.

SJ:<<Finally, I can perform the Rikishi Stinky Face on Kurt Angle, it's true, it's true!>> It�s a sad day indeed when VG manufacturers take the time to digitally reproduce that large of a g-string� but I guess the hard work would all be worth it if one could execute a crippler cross face on Trish Status. It might pop something but hell, at least her arms would have a bit more room.
<<pokemon live show>> Good god, stop the madness. �Won�t someone *please* think of the children!�

Dreaded Traveler:<<the Japanese DO produce "Cartoons".>> <watches the cartoon and falls out her chair laughing> OMG, That�s priceless! It looks like someone downed a few too many Saki and decided to sketch on a cocktail napkin. Though it makes you wonder if rockets actually do result from partially digested Mickey Mouse rip-offs. <Wonders what the translation for �Chu Chu rlocket� is>

<grins and waves at Shadowrider> It�s good to see you! Don�t be a stranger! ^_^

<grabs a dab of Winterwolf�s good cheer, stuffing it in a spare CD case> I wonder if this product is marketable�

<Takes the case and bounds off> ^_^
Dreamie
Saturday, October 21, 2000 04:58:39 PM
IP: spider-te032.proxy.aol.com

*Warpmind enters, grinning sheepishly.*
Okay, I think my sanity, if possible, dropped another few notches... Occasionally, when I play Diablo II, I shut off the in-game music and play a CD instead. (I've got the full install and NoCD patch - not recommended unless you've got a LOT of diskspace anyway...) Well, to make a long story short... Pokemon music is REALLY weird with demon-hunting... In the background, songs about friendship, hopes and capturing pokemon are sung, and in the foreground, there are the loud *Thwang* *Thunk* *Scream* (I play an Amazon nowadays...) to obscure the music... I'm tellin' ya, it's pretty trippy... :| (Next on my list of music to play would be either Reggae or Shania Twain - yes, I'm COMPLETELY nuts.)

Traveler: Okay, that cartoon commercial was *weird*... :|

Christine: Don deBrandt's "Timberjak", you say? *Scribbles down author and title.* I'll look it up. Yes, I've got machinistic traits. ;) (No, wait, that's not it...) Oh, and "The Gifted" is almost done? Yippee-kay-ey! Must have... eventually. :)

Paul Allen Nathans: You say Christine Morgan's not a god among writers? I won't flare up a debate you deem dead, but think about it: almost every polytheistic religion has had a plethora of minor gods with a very narrow realm of responsibility... I'd say that, with a few exceptions, anyone who's gotten paid for something they've written could be considered a "god among writers"... ;)

Shadowrider: *Military salute* Glad to have you among us for the time being, friend. Nice oath, too... dunno if the Norwegian military has anything similar... worse for us if they don't. :|

Well, there's a show I'm following on the tube in a few secs, so... later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, October 21, 2000 04:55:51 PM
IP: mp-217-216-22.daxnet.no

**Winterwolf makes a pit stop in before he goes out again**

Hi everybody!
Great to see you Shadowrider! ^_^

I'm a little pressed for time these past few days but I'll catch up and make a full post later. Hugs to anyone that needs/wants them! I look forward to writing some personal replies later!

Shadowrider> Did you get my second snail mail? I just want to know cause I really stuffed that one with some detailed info and a nice picture too! ^_^ I'll post more your way after I get back! Heading out now!

Catch you guys all later!

**Winterwolf leaves spreading some of his usual happiness and good cheer for everyone the stops in here**
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Saturday, October 21, 2000 02:28:47 PM
IP: 1cust117.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net

Hi to everyone. I'm here again...until Tuesday. A special licence. I am really happy to be here, my friends...it was a special day for me. Just this morning, my Regiment had the Oath Ceremony...we sworn our loyalty to the Italian Republic, to its Constitution and its People. I think it was a beautiful ceremony. I hope you'll forgive me, but I feel I must show you the complete oath:

"Io giuro di essere fedele alla Repubblica Italiana,
di rispettarne la Costituzione e le Leggi,
e di adempiere con disciplina e onore
a tutti gli obblighi del mio grado,
con il solo e unico scopo della difesa della Patria
e la salvaguardia delle sue libere istituzioni"

("I swear to be loyal to the Italian Republic,
to respect its Constitution and Laws,
and to attend with discipline and honor
to all the duties of my condition,
with the only objective of the protection of my Fatherland
and the defense of its free institutions").

<looks through the CR>

Emambu:> Mail from the U.S.? Well, Winterwolf's letter arrived in four days...I think it is the standard. Anyway, I still haven't received your letter, but last days the Regiment has been very busy, so it is probable I'll find it as I'll return in Cremona.

Winterwolf:> Well, here I am...;)

Archwolf:> No prob, and thanks for the wish.

Jaden:> And good for me to see you, fellow.

Kitainia:> As usual, your words were nice and caring. Just a little thing: I am considering the military career rather than the police...so, I'd say "Maresciallo" rather than "Commissario"...:)

No more time. Happy belated birthdays to everyone I missed, and sincere apologies to everyone I forgot to reply to. See you all later.

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, October 21, 2000 01:29:30 PM
IP: h255-22-101.mi2.albacom.net

Gside (or) GSide?:
Good point about Shakespeare. Although I'm not ruling out Doug's point about his other writings.
As for Shinji... I don't know what 'BAAB' and 'Ikari Warriors' is referring to. If its a joke, that might make no sense. My 'Shinji Ikari' name refers to one of the main characters of the anime masterpiece NEON GENESIS EVANGELION.
Servarius Junior:
That's it!!
*Paul transforms into Lacan and floats into the Alpha Weltall that suddenly appears behind him. He the points one arm at the puny mortal and an enormous wrist laser pops up out of it, one easily larger than the being below. It begins to charge with golden-red energy...
And then emits a series of enormous pies, which smash into the puny mortal and drench him with its foodstuffs.
Lacan floats out of AlphaWeltall, which disappears into thin air, and transforms back into Paul.*
I don't give a heck about Harry Potter. From an acquaintance, I heard that the author seemed to be writing as if he/she couldn't decide whether he/she wanted to write children's literature or adult literature and the only thing that didn't make the stories children's literature were mysteries.
That's if I remember correctly what was said.
As for your remark about Robby... Do you want to pie again?
*Runs off before Tim Flanagan attacks him for stealing his lines.*
Doug:
The 'always right' bit...
I suppose I'll be thankful for partial understanding. Its better than certain hypocrites and not-so-swift people have given me before (glares at the people from IcyBrian's mIRC Chat Rooms). They're supposed to be the 'open-minded ones'. Hah!!
Just one thing... If you ever want to debate with some of the people I know, you had better accept what I say about my debating style, because you might discern the same from others, and end up debating topics for a long time tearing your hear out. It takes a lot of patience to debate with, say, Tamerine. She also debates insanely constructively, as well. I don't know if I've gotten anywhere in debates with her yet, if much. And my friend Jeremy... Hoo boy.
I've gotten one of my angles of commentary misinterpreted with Tamerine, once, by the way, and ended up with multiple paragraphs of response that was somewhat from a misinterpretation.
I *love* debating with these people. They're intelligent, its a challenge to debate with them, (and, of course, there's the obvious bit that if they don't criticize me for 'being always right' and/or the like there's no problem with debating with them on those regards).
Silent protagonists... I'm not too amused with them either.
Although I'm not sure 'protagonist' is a valid term in reference to anyone anymore. Have you played WILD ARMS 2nd IGNITION? Its a deep, philosophical/analytical Game that attacks popular concepts like 'taking over the world', and the term 'hero' and what it means.
There was even a bit where it poked fun at 'cold 'pretty boys''.
William Shakespeare... I guess I'll trust what you say there, since you're able to put up a constructive defense here.
I will say Christine Morgan is most certainly *not* a God among writers for reasons I've mentioned before but I won't pursue that now. I might be able to pursue my views here in a gentler manner this time, but this topic has already come and passed before, so there's no reason to bring it up again.
I don't believe I've said XENOGEARS was the best story *ever* written before, although I may have said it was the best story written before. I don't say 'ever' in such context because that means there will never be anything tying and/or better, and since I don't know whether there might be anything that'd tie and/or be better in respect to something, I don't say 'ever' in such context.
As for now, I may no longer be able to say XENOGEARS is the best story around.
Now, it may be a tie between it and NEON GENESIS EVANGELION or, even, NEON GENESIS EVANGELION may be better than XENOGEARS.
MACBETH... Getting the full effect of it... Good point, I like a movie adaptation concerning it. It keeps the same lines... Save for a speech by the 'Wierd Sisters prototype' about chestnuts and sailors... And the scenery and stuff used is excellent. While it may not be according to what Shakespeare intended (and bears some discrepancies with the play script, such as)...
***MACBETH Spoilers***
...Banquo and Fleance on horseback when they're attacked by assassins on request from Macbeth...
***End MACBETH Spoilers***
It could be an example towards your point of how scenery can enhance his stuff.
Good comparison between plays and Video Games, by the way.
What'd you think of Kid's comments on humanity and life and the like in the scene I asked about?

And now...
***THE GARGOYLES SAGA: PENDRAGON 'Overall' Spoilers***
The Good (And Character Analyses):
ood characterization in many places, such as Merlin and Mary in the Caledonian Forest, the Arthur/Duval confrontation, when Mary left Merlin, and more I could most likely recall but won't spend the time doing.
Morgana... I like how she doesn't want to take the lives of others besides those whom she wishes vengeance upon. That might've shown up in a previous PENDRAGON Season, but if so, I may not remember it. Pretty original, it seems, at least for GARGOYLES, and the emotions and thoughts it elicits from her are interesting to read.
Merlin... I loved the characterization and past he was given in the Caledonian Forest. I believe there was something about how Merlin's age influenced his thinking... That I disagre with. He's already gotten a high perception level from being alive for years and his mind is not like a baby's, incapable of a full comprehension level. His age thus couldn't influence what happened to him. Considering the atmosphere he's been subjected to as an adolescent, though... That might have given him the personality it did. That's a bit of 'bad', but its in a character analysis. More on his overall characterization and relationships with other characters, later.
Lucius Adrians... I *liked* his motives for his actions, choices, and/or the like.
That 'Previously' reference to Charlotte and 'normality', which I wasn't around when it showed up before and I didn't comment on, along with her views on it currently...
I want to be an individual. I don't want to just be 'one of the crowd', and/or whatever you want to call it. Each human is an individual and could be one if he/she chose to. Unfortunately, a lot of people let the society they're around dictate their lives, quite possibly because they'd much rather let someone else dictate their lives for them than choose their own path. I won't do that. I'll choose my own paths, and I won't let the views of the majority be the 'end-all, be-all' in my life.
Yet that doesn't mean I'm going to hurt people or do what Charlotte did. If she wants to be different, she can do it in many other ways than the path she took. I can sympathize with not wanting to be 'one of the crowd', but I don't like how she is going about not doing so...
Mary... Nice concept around her concerning the wolf bit and the stuff Emrys said to her in the Caledonian Forest. *Thank goodness* that Mary has much more to her than being a 'love interest' for Merlin.
Arthur and various others... Nice characterization but I'm not sure there's anything big to say now. I have some stuff to say, though. Jennifer and Elaine I like the characterizations of and how they cope with situations. My interpretation of Jennifer's actions following Braddock informing her about Arthur being a suspect as a gun smuggler (or was that gun runner?) is (she was possibly suspicious of Arthur, quite possibly *not*, though). After running into Emrys any possible suspicions are not in any doubt; they're proven to not exist (any longer, if they were there before). Caspian, Lancelot (the gargoyle), Kirstie, Rosalind, and others... They were done well. The scene in ON HOLIDAY, PART II at Lancelot's resting place was excellent. I may have more to say on Caspian and Rosalind later, though.
Duval/Lancelot... I guessed he was Lancelot upon reading the 'Previously on PENDRAGON, TRIANGLES...' bit at the start of ISIS, LILY, AND ROSE PART I. Why I didn't when I originally read the Episode I'm unsure. Turns out I was right. :)
Nice characterization; it should be interesting to see what's happened to him and why what's currently what around him *is* what's currently what.
The Bad:
'Mating/coupling everyone off':
I'm aware that Greg Weisman was planning to give mates to key characters. I'm not denying he might have had 'love relationship-type' aspects in all key characters. However, Greg Weisman has told much of GARGOYLES like a story of the lives of characters, and most likely would handle such stuff in the same fashion. THE GARGOYLES SAGA is not doing that. Instead, we're having 'love interests' and/or the like show up in reference to many characters in such a quick succession that the impression given is not 'dealing with characters' lives; one aspect of each character may at some point or another involve 'love interests', but rather 'give everyone love interest aspects'.
I hope the distinction is capable of being understood from the above words.
This whole 'give everyone love interest aspects' is doing a lot of damage to PENDRAGON. 'Love interest aspects' don't mean there has to be one, of course, but merely the potential for one or what could be a deception of one. We have the possibilities of Merlin and Mary, Rory and Molly, we have Douglas Campbell thinking he's in love with Dulcinea; even Caspain and Rosalind could possibly count.
Arthur and love interests don't count as this one's been around for a while.
All these 'love interest' aspects are lending a rather absurd air to PENDRAGON, and, considering this motif showing up elsewhere in THE GARGOYLES SAGA as well, the whole series is thus getting a rather absurd air. There's a lot more to GARGOYLES than 'love interest' aspects.
Merlin and Mary... At times I'm not amused with the possibility of a 'love relationship' between Merlin and Mary. At times, like when it seemed like Merlin could identify with Mary in the Caledonian Forest, it might not've been a problem to me. I am somewhat irked about a potential 'love interest' for Merlin showing up so soon after the Corrie situation.
I hope the possible 'love relationship' concerning Merlin and Mary is handled well.
Caspian and Rosalind... The 'he's in love with someone else/he's possibly in love with someone else' bit has been done before with Broadway and Angela. Granted, there are some differences this time around, but its possibly somewhat irksome.
***End THE GARGOYLES SAGA: PENDRAGON 'Overall' Spoilers***

Paul

"This stupid, wretched world!"-Kid
CHRONO CROSS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Saturday, October 21, 2000 01:25:57 PM
IP: 175.morristown-16-17rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Lynati > the gargoyles-fans.org fanfic archive is undergoing an extensive overhaul, so it may be a while before it's up and running again. But hey (she said with a grin of shameless self-promotion), if you're looking for fanfic to pass the time, might I recommend the work of a certain author? Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/garg_fan_fiction.html and you might find some stuff there to keep you busy for a while ; )

Archwolf > gargoyle aging -- since they age 1/2 our rate, it would stand to reason that their expected natural lifespan would be twice ours (what's it these days, around 78, 80?). All depending on area and circumstances, of course ... a modern Ishimura garg would probably have a better chance of living a long time than would one in the middle ages. Their lifestyle doesn't lend itself well to dying of old age, sadly.

Doug > LOL, you know, it flatters the hell out of me but really makes me feel weird to be numbered in such august company!

Gside > aw, come on, pretty please ... 'Mrs. Morgan' makes me feel so old and stodgey! That's my mother-in-law's name! Come on, be a sport, relax, call me Christine, huh? ; )

David G. > I'd guess that many of us in this room know something of what you're feeling, and it hardly makes you pathetic. It is a sad situation, and being alone (not to mention suffering the pangs of unrequired love) is one of the worst emotional places to be, but don't lose hope. I was resigned from an early age to the prospect of spending my life alone and unloved, and to my surprise and gratitude, that turned out not to be the case. Don't give up hope.

Stephen > have a great time at the con! We expect a full report when you get back!

Update (all the chaos going on in Christine's life) > lordy but things have been hectic lately. Tomorrow is Becca's birthday, and I am putting on a pirate-themed party for a bunch of kids from her kindergarten class (and having been working every other Friday as a parent helper, I've seen these kids in action and hope they don't trash the house too badly). Tim's sis arrived last night for a visit. Work has been mellow lately, but before we discharged two wild, loud, and violent residents, it was a little stressful (the jumper, btw, is still in the ICU). I've passed the halfway point on collecting the latest batch of rejection letters, and am still waiting to hear back from 3 anthologies to which I've submitted. I am closing in on the finish of "The Gifted," but have been having some troubles with it the past couple of weeks. Got too many characters running around. But Judge Halverson just got to clonk a guy in the head, and will be dragging him down to the secret psychic-research installation for the big finale, whee! I expect to have the first draft done by the end of the month, and then can go back and start fixing all the problems I know are already there. After that, whew, I will probably get a couple of fanfics out of my system (new Dissidents story, maybe, or some more tormenting of Demona). Went out to my favorite fantasy bookstore last week and sold 'em 7 copies of DoE. This weekend is the Northwest Book Fest, but I dropped the ball and didn't get involved this year (but given that it's Becca's birthday and all, the last thing I could have coped with is one more thing to do!). Next year, when I've got an entire trilogy and an audio book (an actual body of work, huzzah!), I'll be sure to get in on the Book Fest nice and early. My projects for today include catching up on some e-mail that's been ripening for several days, and baking /decorating a cake. And taking Becca to dinner at Azteca so they can put a sombrero on her and sing ; )

Books > speaking of puns in writing, try Don deBrandt's "Timberjak." Fantastic book all the way through, and ends on a pun so horrid that I actually threw the book across the room the first time I read it! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, October 21, 2000 01:21:28 PM
IP: 15-146.009.popsite.net

*Listening to Metallica - Astronomy* Heheh� great BOC cover�.

Ahhh� too long between posts... A big THANK YOU to all who welcomed me back! Hmm.. I seen to like to write these things when I should be sleeping Heh, go figure... Anyway let's see�. *looks down the list of last weeks posts* where to begin�.

Mary Flanders - <<BTW, is incense toxic for birds?>> As far as I know, no. Though you may want to stop in to a Veterinarians office and ask. If they say it isn't, shove that tidbit o' knowledge coming from trained professionals in your mummys' face. Or save it for a later argument about the same subject, it's great ammo since there really is no rebuttal considering the source� >:))
<<White says that that allergic reaction was some invented idea.>> Yessssss... sure it is... Allow him to meet one of my RL friends... we'll refer to him as Mr. Proof O. Concept, Mr. PoC for short. *A dropper containing an amber liquid appears in Traveler's hand. He places a very small drop of the substance on Mr. PoC's tongue. After a few moments, Mr. PoC drops to the floor turning blue and clutching his throat.* You see, my buddy here is severely allergic to anything peanut. So allergic in fact that if I don't stab this epinephrine pen into his thigh, he will die in a few minutes... *spots something* Mmmm... Pinball.... Who am I to resist? *Calmly walks over to a pinball machine in the corner and starts to play* Mr. PoC: *gasping angrily* Ohh... don't worry it'll only be one game!!

Dreamie- HAPPY (belated) BIRTHDAY!

Tim P.- <<That's why as soon as I get a level 3 FFL I'm getting an M-14 rifle with a scope>> Ahhh... The good old M-14.... very nice choice for a rifle. Though why would you need a L3 FFL to purchase one? I'd assume you'd be getting a semi-auto one, especially since you said you want to mount a scope to it... Which you'll most likely want a gunsmith to do... <<Me? I'd much rather sleep comfortly in bed at night with a Colt 1911 .45 under my pillow.>> Actually I'd go with 12 gauge pump for home defense... it really can't be beat.... hehhe... my grandfather told me that when he went for a pistol permit the guy asked him during the interview portion (keep in mind this is NY State) if he was going to purchase a pistol for home defense. Grandfather said no, he wants a pistol for target practice; he already had a double-barrel 12 for that.... Guy didn't ask any more questions and signed off on the permit.... hehehehhe
<<Not to rude, but until someone finds a way to put a nuclear warhead into a bullet, you're argument doesn't mean anything.>> Well... just for trivia's sake, they DID figure a way to squeeze one into a mortar round... though that little project was discontinued after a few field tests... see the crew had to dig a trench before fireing.... or they'd be fried too... >=))

Firearm Control- First of all, the only "gun" you have is between your legs... Second of all: Ummm let's see... California. All of their labyrinthine laws... more of which they're trying to get passed into law... sure aren't keeping the evil "gun" toting criminals away... Of course if you think of all the regular LAW-ABIDEING people there that became instant felons because of more laws which were passed without anybody really noticing until they came into effect.... I would be wrong.

Gunjack Valentine- <<I'm personally leaning toward a supressed H&K and night vision for my home defense and plinking needs...>> That you WILL need a L3 FFL for... :))
<<The "assault weapon" and "crime gun" bans we were treated to a couple years ago only banned a small group of weapons, based on EXTERNAL APPEARENCE. And we all know what a great idea it is to ban things based on what they look like, right?>> Heh, well, that's what happens when you let socialists... Ummm.. I mean lefty democrats.... hehehe... and soccer moms run things...

The original Batman TV series- ZAP! BLAM! POP! Only a matter of time TV land.... only a matter of time...

Sevaruis Jr.- <<From the "It's Time to check for Head Wounds" Department:>> Speaking of head wounds... if you've ever been subjected to an episode of pokemon... First get a mental picture of that one girl *thinks* Misty? in your mind... now class... what does her haircut/head resemble?
<<Stabbing Westward>> Violent Mood Swings baby... violent mood swings...
<< Can I stop winking now? ;)>> No. >=]

Wilek- <<Well, the body is kinda gross. And so inefficient. I mean really, any machine that produced as much waste in proportion to the energy it generates as the human body (and most other species', really) would be *demolished* by the EPA. Its auto repair systems are utterly inadequate>> Actually... some scientists recently were playing around with some genes that are related to stopping cancer that both humans and mice share... they found that if they turned them off in the mice, that they were able to re-grow extremely large and badly burned areas of their skin... faster than normal and WITH NO SCARRING... and the think they can play with it to the point of regenerating whole limbs o_0 So basically our bodies have been evolving to fight/prevent cancer cells... at the expense of the ability to repair large scale cellular/physical damage. Neat huh?

DPH- <> Ask them: "What is the answer?" If they answer: "42" Well, there's your answer!

DS9 ripping off B5- Duh.

U.S.S. Cole- And to think, the very day before that happened I said to my friend (while discussing the escalating Middle Eastern violence) that whenever those two groups start their pissing contest up again, interesting things begin to happen.... Still though, a pity.

Paul Allen Nathans- Well. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well,
well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, look who's back as well. The head Xenogear himself...

*looks to the top of his monitor where Diablo from the game of the same name is perched as Judas Priest's A Tough Of Evil begins to play* What do you think Mr. Diablo?
Mr. Diablo: I think this will be "interesting" as well. *evil chuckle*
Traveler: Quite so, quite so. *snickers*

Fire Storm- << Well, as of today I have 2 fewer teeth.>> Ouch. <> Mmmm... turkey...

Robby: << Suddenly, a car horn blares behind the racers. "BEEP BEEP!" A little nash rambler pulls up alongside of them as if they were going slow. A fellow rolls down his window, and yells for them to hear, "Hey buddy! How can I get this car out of second gear?">> *jaw drops to the ground* Oh. My. God. *ROTFLMAO*

Doug & Kitania: Yeah, yeah.. I know the post wasn't all that long... but cut me some slack I'm out of practice! And as you can see, I AM trying... hehehe And I don't deally know if I'll get back into the RP again... If I do it'll probably be suddenly, unexpected, and make the 50 or so threads/hundreds of characters that have been accumulating since my departure even harder to follow. >;)) Oh and Kitaina, since you *ASKED* for it... *clears throat*

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, and yet still unbelievably, incredibly unpredictability amazingly astoundedly EVEN more dragons, dragons, dragons, dragons, AND THE DRAGON KING!!! AHHH HA! HA! HA!

Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon- I've seen the trailer for this online... it's really something to behold... I've heard that Drunken Master is also a definite to see... I think that actually a Jackie Chan one...

BTW, here's a link to a mpeg that proves, once and for all that the Japanese DO produce "Cartoons". It's a commercial. And you'll have to forgive them because it appears they're just starting out on trying to learn the basics of a 'toon and have not yet reached our American level of perfection in the art form that was achieved with Chuck Jones, Tex Avery, etc....

"Ice Cream and Frozen Custard... Pizza and Lasagna... They're all the same... Things of which I cannot... will not partake because the consequences for those around me, and my colon, are too great." -Lactos Theintolerant
StopWatch II: The Broken Cog Saga

The Dreded Traveler - [traveler_45@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 21, 2000 09:24:05 AM
IP: proxy.buf.adelphia.net

*Warpmind enters, scribbling down notes for Call of Cthulhu.*
Yo, gang... I'm workin' hard here, and needed a break... hmmm... I wonder if I get in legal trouble if I set an investigation to take place in the Michigan forests, where people have disappeared tracelessly, zombies roam, and a severed hand is wreaking havoc in a small cabin... (cyber-cookie if you get the reference) :|

Denis: Thanks. Oh, and by the way... it's "Keeper", not "Guardian"... at least in the newer editions. (which reminds me - because I suggested a rule change to Lynn Willis, I *might* get my name in the next edition of the core book...) :) And yes, I have every intention to continue my series - I'm just suffering temporary creativity block. (My chibis are on vacation, it seems...)

Doug: The guy who plotted to kill N'Sync... yeah, I agree he needs help. *Writes check.* Think five hundred bucks'll be enough to get him on the plane? ];)

SJ: You can't refer to BS (Hey, I never thought about those being her initials before!) as a virgin with a straight face, either? Hmmm... it must be something that's going around these days... ;) Oh, and the RP duel we're preparing for... it'll be a real big clash, aye? ]:)

By the way... I was invited to a local Pok�mon Marathon yesternight... We were seven or eight persons present (all adults, might I add) watching the US dub, which is aeons better than the Norwegian one... it was kinda fun, but sheesh... I *really* need to cut back on the lemons... :| (Imagine, the others glared at me when I yelled "Stop nagging about your bike and kiss him, girl!") :|

Delphi: Excellent questions... :)

Gside: Let's just drop the whole ether debate, shall we? We're getting nowhere, and fast, anyway. :) As for the tentacle stuff... dude, I'm just hoping you - or anyone else here, for that matter - won't ever come across that one... (and the Succubus Monthly thing was RP stuff, not RL stuff... really. It was. Honest!) As for giving you guys credit... well, did you write the answer? ];)

Well, that's about it... *scribbles some more, then presses "Submit" and goes to fetch coffee.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, October 21, 2000 08:01:51 AM
IP: mp-217-214-194.daxnet.no

Hello and greetings (which ever is better for you). I'm mostly a lurker here but some of these topics have caught my attention so I'm going to answer. (Especially when it comes to Digimon)
Why is the Digimon movie failing in theaters- As much as I know of the original japanese and english version. A friend of mine named Megchan who is a translator for Saban said that why its doing poorly is of that is mostly of the commerials already showing too much like WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon jogress digivolving (Two digimon evolving into one). And the two digimon hatching from one egg (And why they changed the boy's name from Wallace to Willis... He already had an American name, why change it?)

I know its not much but it's like 6:34 A.M. and I got to go to work... Oii...
Kari
Saturday, October 21, 2000 06:34:16 AM
IP: ac8c21d6.ipt.aol.com

Just a quick post.

David G.- You're not pathetic. So don't start thinking that way. I know from experience that it doesn't help, in fact it just gave me more stress than I could deal with. Stay strong.

Night everyone!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
KoreaSaturday, October 21, 2000 03:56:49 AM
IP: 211.216.216.41

Delphi- You are indeed a wise man. Here's one for thought: The word "shorter" is longer than the word "short", and "shortest" is longer than both of them!

Kyryn: Interesting... I've had an idea for a neat little twist for the intergalatic war if the staff would like to hear it....
Matt "King Snarf" Maybray - [reginald_q_bumbershoot@hotmail.com]
Drexel Hill, PA, USA
Saturday, October 21, 2000 03:37:36 AM
IP: a030-1497.phl2.splitrock.net

Sev. JR: well, if it's ritualistic combat to the death, then that likely means something along the lines of "fight to first blood" or symbolically killing the other.

then again, it's your 'Verse...so enjoy. ::)

'Bedazzled': well, untill EL DORADO and PITCH BLACK and FREQUENCY come out on video, I think I'll go see Bedazzled...if for no other reason than to give the Devil {BRIMSTONE character} something to laugh at in my fic....{which is currently stalled simaltaneously in Viking Scandinavia/Norway, and in Pre-Columbian Andes -- that Pheonix Gate's more trouble....}. ;)

btw, you're still writing, right, Doug?

question: is it a coincidence that teh detective's last name is found in the word BRIMSTONE??

Rodlox
Saturday, October 21, 2000 02:23:32 AM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

SJ: Thanks for the clarification. I don't want N'Sync dead either. Just want their fame to end, like you. Hope it does soon. I'm still praying for that boy though.
Doug
Saturday, October 21, 2000 01:24:14 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.39.dlls.grid.net

Well, here I am back home while my grandparentsw visit. Lets see if I can catch up.

Warpmind> <<just because they didn't find it it doesn't mean it isn't there>>: Well, if you define ether to be the medium through which EM waves propogate, they have proven that there is no such medium.
<<As for my piece of citrine..., forget it - I'll want a bargaining tool>>: Oh, did I say something about it. I didn't think I did. Maybe a supreme evil commandered my body for a moment. Though for some reason what I said also reminds me of the wonderful movie, Sneakers. "Give me the box, Marty." Se Tec Astronomy.

Paul Allen Nathans> <<Now that I've read Shakespeare I have to say that I do not think his stories are anything big>>: Of course, he stole half his material. But I think he is extoled more for his use of the language than for the stories. That and I think people take him too seriously.
<<should I start signing my name as 'Shinji Ikari' here>>: Only if you start each post with "BAAB." I believe Shinji translates as warrior, and the continue cheat from the old Ikari Warriors game was BAAB.

Mrs. Morgan> <<People are still going on about that pun?>>: Of course. It has stumped me since you posted the story. Which is probably proof why you shouldn't get me to program any voice recognition software.

Happy belated birthday Archwolf.
<<Reads the 'Youkoned Bea' line and colapses on the floor, shaking>>: I don't know, I think it became more of a puzzle to me than a bad pun that it didn't affect me.
<>: Have you checked the Ask Greg archive?

Lynati> <<Our Sifu is the actual grandmaster>>: Drunken monkey Kung Fu! (Check the archive at http://www.journeytothewest.com/ )
<<fanfic archive, eh? anybody want to give me a boot in the best direction?>>: Just follow the fanfic link on the root garg-fans page.

Rodlox> <>: What SRS Jr. said was that he was promoting art by CSH and the books of Mrs. Morgan.

Fire Storm> <>: Sounds yummy. Maybe you could get gravy flavored pain killer lozenges. But heal soon.

Lexy> <<There is also a list of funny mistakes actual kids put in their essays>>: "Magellian circumcised the globe with a pair of 100 foot clippers."

Daniel Johnson> <<Aww, somebody misses me>>: Of course. It's more fun having another Jersian in here.
<>: That sounds uncomfortable.
<>: It's nice hearing you have settled your mother's situation.
<>: Mmm. Small footprint. Just the thing for dormrooms. I shall be very happy once the price goes down. I'll probably be out of college (maybe), but I will most likely still have limited space.
<<I'm never going back to a CRT again>> But you gotta love something that has an electron gun inside.
<<it really isn't the Mac OS at all: it's UNIX with a
Mac-like front end>>: It sounds like Apple is starting to make some smart decisions. Though I still don't like their insistance of proprietary hardware.

Sev. Jr.> <<Pete Jackson and the Hobbits get my money first>>: Heck yeah, plus, in the bargain, you get the original wizard, my hero, and the reason why there is essentially a family rune in the first place over here.

ME> <<Now I just have to decide when (probably after the weekend)>>: Scratch that. I got something here for this weekend (and it works well continuing the acapella style), and if I push it back to wednesday, I'll have it out on St. Crispin's Day. I liked Davy, and he was one of the last few connections to Falstaff.

Warpmind> <<lay off the HTML code when posting - it's not supported in here anyway>>: Gorebash hardwired the CR code to translate any possible tag characters into the html codes.
<<tries to cover up incriminating evidence of such work>>: You'll never be able to get rid of all the evidence. Once you get involved with the tentacles, it stays with you forever.
<<I... hrm... can't seem to get removed from their mailing list>>: My point. And those succubi do seem to be inexorably linked to the HT.

David G.> May you find the someone you need. Though I do bet you will find your before I find mine (take your description of yourself, take out short and add engineer).

Warpmind> <<cyber-cookie to the one who gets the reference>>: Oh, some on. Give us some credit.

DPH> <<What are everyone's favorite types of games?>>: To use genre names, RPGs and puzzles (I consider myself a minesweeper demigod). I also have a side interest in (assuming computer/comsole games) adventures, platformers, and fighting. And of course there are teh card gems (Queen of Spades, Cribbage, and some Bridge (but I never really got the hang of bidding)).

CtB> Congratulations an the job offer.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, October 21, 2000 01:06:38 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Hi all, it must be very bust on the old internet tonight, it took forever for this thing to load up.

I was rooting around in my joke folder and found this, I can't remember if I ever posted these, but I had a good laugh so enjoy:
> Things that make you go Hmmm????
>
> 1. Is it good if a vacuum really sucks?
> 2. Why is the third hand on the watch called the second hand?
> 3. If a word is misspelled in the dictionary, how would we ever know?
> 4. If Webster wrote the first dictionary, where did he find the words?
> 5. Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?
> 6. Why does "slow down" and "slow up" mean the same thing?
> 7. Why does "fat chance" and "slim chance" mean the same thing?
> 8. Why do 'tug' boats push their barges?
> 9. Why do we sing "Take me out to the ball game" when we are already
there?
> 10. Why are they called "stands" when they are made for sitting?
> 11. Why is it call "after dark" when it really is "after light" ?
> 12. Doesn't 'expecting the unexpected" make the unexpected expected?
> 13. Why are a 'wise man' and a 'wise guy' opposites?
> 14. Why do 'overlook and 'oversee' mean opposite things?
> 15. Why is phonics not spelled the way it sounds?

night all, I've got an early morning tommorrow
delphi - [delphii!6@netscape.net]
twin falls, idaho
Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:48:19 AM
IP: 216.190.243.123

For clarification, for everyone ...

The current SAG strike is against advertising agencies. The main issue of the strike is actors in the commercials not receiving the kinds of residuals from commercials that they receive from other works (read: payment for every time each commercial is broadcast).
Coyote the Bando
Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:23:08 AM
IP: 216.28.101.122

***BEGIN RP***
SJ scratched his head. "So, let me see if I can get this straight--Kari has lost her powers because she's being courted by two men at the same time? Well....okay, I guess I'm one of them. But who is this other suitor?"
Warpmind looked at him. "I really don't think that I should get involved in your love life."
"Oh please," Angol Moa spoke up. "Sometimes you humans can be so incredibly dense."
"What?" SJ asked. "What are you talking about? And by the way, who the hell invited you guys here? I thought this was supposed to be a nice, quiet, romantic dinner between Kari and myself. This wasn't a group date, why are you here?"
"Well, um....," Nelgault said hastily. "Um...we were bored, you see, and--"
"As I was saying," Angol snorted, his nostrils flaring with impatience. "It's obvious. The other suitor for your young lady friend's affections is our own demon warrior Sammael."
"SAMMAEL?" SJ shouted. "No, no way. He's an okay guy. He realized that Kari and I have something special together."
"Well, perhaps he has feelings for her that he has not yet verbalized? Have you ever thought about that?" Angol laughed harshly.
SJ's brow furrowed. "I....would rather not think about that. But, Warpmind, all Kari has to do is make a choice between the two of us, right? So all she has to do is choose me, and she gets her powers back?"
Warpmind studied his book. "Um...yes, near as I can tell. If she chooses one of her suitors, than she will regain her powers."
Kari smiled. "That's a relief."
Warpmind nodded. "She will regain her powers shortly after the ritualistic combat to the death between the suitors."
SJ blinked. "WHAT? What was that last line?"
"Oh...um, I seem to have glossed over that part the first time I read this. Well, it *does* make the choosing of the suitor more simple..."
***END RP FOR NOW***

The streak continues! 3 nights in a row! But I don't know if I can make it a fourth....after all, I think I'm coming down with a fever......Subway Series fever, baby!
Of course, that joke works even better because I utterly hate baseball. But as of now, the series is all tied up at 0-0. It's gonna be a barnburner! Ten to one odds New York gets burned to the ground by the 6th game.

I thought that I'd dive right into a little ENTERTAINMENT NEWS!!!

Return of the 80s: There's some talk out in Hollywood of making a sequel to Goonies. The script in existence has the old Goonies gang reuniting and searching for--what else?--more treasure! Hilarious hijinks ensue.
Let's be honest--Goonies was a fun movie when you were, like, 10 years old. But do we really need another Goonies movie? Is that a sequel that people are breaking down the door to make? I gotta think not. I mean, I loved the first one. It's one of those great, "feel-good" films of the 80s. But I'm really not interested in another Goonies film. Especially since Sloth is dead.
Although, a new Goonies film WOULD revitalize the career of one Corey Feldman, and for real, isn't that what we all want?

Spider-Man movie news: Apparently, the rumor going round is that Tobey "I'm not built like a 12 year old girl anymore! I've buffed up!" Maguire has been going around saying that Alicia Witt, the star of such cinematic masterpieces as "Urban Legend", has been cast as his love interest in the Spider-Man movie, the fine lookin' red-head Mary Jane Watson. Personally, I like this choice. They could have done a lot worse in casting that part. We could have been stuck with one of those girls from Dawson's Creek or something like that.

Oh, and for you fans of Tyler Mane, who did a wonderful job playing Sabretooth in the X-Men movie, you'll be happy to know that the ex-wrestler will be starring in the sequel to the Jet Li sci-fi action flick "Black Mask". The sequel is titled, ironically enough, "Black Mask 2". I'm pretty sure that Jet Li is not reprising his role, but the movie does feature another wrestler, "Mr. Monday Night" Rob Van Dam (chant with me, all you marks! ECW! ECW!), in a supporting role. I'm sure the plot will suck, just like the first Black Mask movie, but you can guarantee there will be some kick ass action sequences.

Pokemon Must Die: I've had a rather strong loathing for Pokemon for quite some time now, but lately, it's become to much. What was the final straw? 3 words which have instilled fear into my very soul--Pokemon Live Show.
Has anyone else seen the commercials for this? Jesus. I feel so sorry for all of the poor, aspiring actors who have to slave away in their jobs in this monstrosity (imagine--taking acting lessons, maybe going to an acting college, and the best job you can get is playing Misty in the Pokemon Live Show). And I really sympathize with all of the parents who will have to drag their children to this show. I swear....just based upon the commercials, if I ever had to sit and watch this show, I'd be looking for something to slit my wrists. And if nothing was available, I'd probably chew my wrists open.

Harry Potter isn't perfect: The impossible has happened--some little kid has found an error in Harry Potter.
A little nine year old girl, after reading "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" for the second time (SECOND TIME? God, I'm 21 years old, and it took me the better part of 2 weeks to read that book! It's like over 700 pages!!!), the youngster discoverd that way back in page 500 something or other, there was an error. A line of dialogue was attributed to Mr. Crouch (who DIES! Ha ha! I'm ruining the plot for you! Bwah ha ha!), when in fact it should have been attributed to Mr. Fudge Why is this important to mention? Cause it shows that Harry Potter and his author aren't perfect, are they? So there!
I'm just joking, of course. I actually like the books. They're pretty good. Not as entertaining or as moving or as important as XENOGEARS, mind you, but I thought they were fun.
Oh, and for those of you who simply MUST know, the title of the next HP book will be "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix". Sorry, Wilek, as much as I tried, through various letter writing campaigns, I couldn't get Rowlings to make the next book "Harry Potter and the Naughty Hentai Tentacles". But damnit, I tried!

Robby: How DARE you call anime "cartoons"! You should be ashamed of yourself. You sir, have disgraced all Japanese culture. You should not be allowed to watch any more anime, as you obviously can not give it the respect it deserves. You sicken me, you uneducated miscreant. "Cartoon" indeed. I bet you think Xenogears is just a video game too, don't you?
You make me ashamed to be an American.
Can I stop winking now? ;)

Denis: I am eagerly anticipating the American theatrical release of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", which I believe opens sometime either in late November or early December. I'm a huge Chow Yun-Fat fan, and I've heard nothing but great things about this film. Have you seen it? I've heard that not only are the action sequences quite excellent, but that the plot and story are exceptional as well.

DPH: Are you talking about all games or specifically video games? I must say that I'm a fan of RPGs, both video and otherwise. I'm a long time White Wolf junkie. And as for video games, I enjoy RPG simply because of the detail to the story and the hours of playing time that I can get out of them.
I like the occasionaly sports VG too. I'm eagerly anticipating the release of "Smackdown 2" for the Playstation. Finally, I can perform the Rikishi Stinky Face on Kurt Angle, it's true, it's true!

Daphne: I'm sorry to hear that your dog got attacked. I know how that goes.....mainly because, um.....my dog seems to like to do that......Which is kind of odd, cause I have a little fox terrier. Only he doesn't seem to know that he's a little dog. He thinks he's human, and he's terribly antisocial to others of his own kind. He'll let another dog sniff his hiney once or twice, but if the dog continues after a few seconds--bam. It's a lung for the throat. When he starts to go after a German Shepherd 3 times his size, it gets a little out of hand.

Doug: Didn't like Bedazzled huh? I thought about seeing that film, because, well, it's Liz Hurley, and I figure she just might be worth spending 7 bucks to stare at in skimpy costumes for 2 hours, bad acting or not.....
The SAG is on strike because they want more benefits, I believe. Apparently, their union sucks royally. I'm unhappy with them too. They don't like Hurley cause she did a commercial, when the SAG actors refuse to do commercials cause they're on strike. So they say she's a scab, she says she didn't know. I really don't care. I don't give a damn about actors anyway. I mean, I realize that most--the vast majority--of actors in the business hardly make any money at all in a year's worth of work....but in the end, they're actors. Their job is to entertain. While I like to be entertained, I naturally feel less sympathy for them if they are not getting benefits than I would feel if say, the police or the fire department were on strike. Now *those* guys we can't live without. But I *can* live without--quite comfortably without--guys like Martin Sheen doing a thousand car commercials.
Oh, and let me clarify--I don't really hate N'Sync or want them dead. I mean, they're just puppets being used by their own "handlers" who will ultimately be devoured, digested, and defecated by the pop culture of America. I did feel a moment of disgust when I learned that Britney Spears was tapping one of them (wait.....she's still a virgin, that's right.... Even as I type that, I can't keep a straight face), but I'm over it. I don't want them dead, I just would like their fifteen minutes of fame over with now.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:05:58 AM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Coyote: <Does that mean you guys won't be able to come to Novi tomorrow?>
Not necessarly. It just means that I can't eat solid foods! :)
But, alas, I am not too sure about Saturday.
Sunday, yes.
BTW... What hours is the con?
<Today I stopped by the auto parts store that I applied to after coming back from Orlando on my way home from work ... they want to hire me ... for $11/hour ... just like I wanted>
Thats the job you were talking about? COOL! I am SO glad to hear that you are leaving that dump!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, October 20, 2000 11:57:59 PM
IP: 05-195.008.popsite.net

A few things to mention.

First, **BEDAZZLED SPOILERS**, Kit and I are not going to be writing reviews of Bedazzled. We saw and hated it too much for that. Lousy script, dumb tired jokes, predictable plot, preformances that seemed weak when coupled with all this, I don't need to go on. Just want everyone to know Kit and I were very disappointed by the movie, and leave it at that. It does not get our recommendation. **SPOILERS END**

Second, two bits of entertainment news. First, the Screen Actors Guild, currently on strike for unknown reasons, is trying to ban Liz Hurley from making American movies simply because she hasn't paid her dues in a while and is not striking with them. Part of me applauds them after seeing Bedazzled, but the greater part wants to grab every one of those SAG losers and smack them upside the head. Who said they determined the actions of all actors' lives, huh? Egomaniacal snobs.

Speaking of egomaniacal snobs, you all know N'Sync, right? Guess what happened in Sumner County, Tennessee that I read about in the paper this morning. A 17 year-old boy's mother found a folder in his room labeled "Operation Death Strike." It detailed a plot by the boy to steal guns from a local shop, hijack a plane to Atlanta, and then ambush N'Sync at their upcoming concert there and kill them. The motive- "to stop them from getting all the good girls." The boy was reported to the police and is now undergoing psychiactric counseling. <shakes head> Part of me is glad he was stopped, I think we all know what the other part of me wishes. SJ can probably guess. <sighs> I'll be praying for this kid.

Paul Allen Nathans: You may be right about Lancelot in Ill-Made Knight, I might have read too much into what he called the Lady of the Lake in Iris, Lily, and Rose. Still...one never knows. :) Glad to see you pledging to keep things civil in here this time around, that's good. As for whether or not you're stubborn and act in an "always right" manner, I'm not gonna debate that. It can only degenerate into a flame war if I do, and everyone already knows our opinions. On Chrono Cross, yes I got the Serge-Kit scene after the Hi-Ho tank. And I too liked it, though IMO it could have used more dialogue (I hate silent protagonists!). On the dwarves' philosophy, I get it, but remain neutral in my opinion. And yes, I know there are multiple paths and endings to the game. I always have the strategy guide open when I'm playing after all- my skill with video games is really that bad. On Shakespeare, well, IMO I don't think you should judge the man until you've read more of his work. A lot more. I agree with you that Julius Caesar is nothing special, IMO it has one good line and that's about it. He's done a lot better. Macbeth also takes a lot of time to get going in earnest and be good IMO, but it is also IMO one of his greatest works. It has great characterization, plot and character development, and many good lines. And I'm not just saying all this because of its popularity and influence on Gargs. For the true classics of Shakespeare, though, check out As You Like It (best comic play I've ever seen, good writing too), the Prince Hal trilogy I mentioned last post (for its great character and plot developments and many excellent lines and scenes), King Lear (which abounds with great characters, developed relationships, and lines), the Tempest (ditto), and the Taming of the Shrew (which has excellent romance and characterization and is also a great comedy). These plays will surely convince you Shakespeare is a god among writers, just like Charles Dickens, Lao She, Tom Clancy, Garth Ennis, Joss Whedon, Greg Weisman, Bob Kane, Stan Lee, and Christine Morgan, to name a few. I say this with as much conviction as you say Xenogears is the best story ever written. Hamlet, Midsummer Night's Dream, Twelfth Night, and Romeo & Juliet are also really good Shakespeare plays IMO. All have good comedy, tragedy, lines, characters, scenes, and so on. You should definitely check them all out. To get the full effect of the plays, though, don't just read them. Go see them preformed. Experience them the same way you did Xenogears (a video game is in essence a play, really, just one where you're the director as well as the audience). Then you'll really enjoy them. Most importantly, do not make prejudgements of a writer based on only a few bad works of his. That will get you in trouble every time.

All for now.
Doug
Friday, October 20, 2000 11:26:28 PM
IP: pool-63.52.168.159.dlls.grid.net

::a small black tabby pops in along with some other figures::

Hello all. Green Baron has been very busy especially with his Finance Class. He's currently working on a case involving Bavarian Brewery. Last week, he solved a cash flow problem for an Indian company. he'll eb posting again in time, and he'll e-mail XenaTrek soon.

Paul Nathans> Well, you're back. Be good, now :)

Dreamiue> Happy Belated Birthday
Reverend Attila - [revattila@catsrule.garfield.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, October 20, 2000 11:00:27 PM
IP: adsl-78-220-248.msy.bellsouth.net

**enters from the Fog of War**

Hmm ... always figured I'd find a use for that Warcraft term ... :)

Let's see, what to talk about, what to talk about ...

Stephen: Congrats on the job, man. And hey, no hard feelings for last night, right? **shrugs** The Lions hadda break our sometime, they just picked the fourth quarter is all. ;)

Fire Storm: Does that mean you guys won't be able to come to Novi tomorrow? **disappointed sound** Ah well, your dental health is much more important ... ;)

Hey ... anyone in Michigan want to meet in Novi either tomorrow or Sunday? I'm gonna be at the Motor City comic con, passing around G'01 flyers and trying to court vendors ... and possibly guests ... for GMC2004, and I *reallllllllllly* could use some motivational support, guys. :)

Robby: Finally picked up NHS Annual #12 ... glanced at it briefly, will read it later and let ya know what I think before I put it in the Lucite box and preserve it as a collector's item when you become famous. ;)

XenaTrek: **waves**

Dame Corax: **waves again**

And now the news that nearly has me vibrating ...

... maybe after all this time I'll finally be able to leave this deadend job at the store!! **does happy dance**
Today I stopped by the auto parts store that I applied to after coming back from Orlando on my way home from work ... they want to hire me ... for $11/hour ... just like I wanted. **does happier dance**
So quite possibly in a few weeks I can waltz into my current workplace singing along with Johnny Paycheck ... 'cause that's how I'm feelin' right now! (Anyone who knows the song, feel free to sing along!)

Well, enough happiness for me tonight ... got some con-crawling to do tomorrow and a football game to tape while I do it.

**walks out of the room singing the obscene lyrics to "The Victors"**
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 20, 2000 09:49:59 PM
IP: 216.28.101.122

Denis> The fighting was excellent is the movie but the plot wasn't solid enough for my tastes. Though I did find it sad that the father beat his son and the wife let him especially considering it was her that made the son drink. Mean old daddie
James Birdsong
Friday, October 20, 2000 09:48:27 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-131-250.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

ok, one short update and one long freak-out...

update:
[realtionship stuff] I finally confronted him, and (yay!)he chose me!

freak-out:
My dog got jumped by a pit bull! my mom was walking her and they passsed the other dog, and it just jumped up and attacked her (the dog) for no reason, and the owner starts cursing out my mom, as if its her fault!

that's all for now. Happiness!

Daphne, apprentice-wordsmith
Friday, October 20, 2000 08:37:54 PM
IP: dialup-209.246.213.168.philadelphia1.level3.net

hello!

James> that's a nice movie indeed! I'm more of a Wong Fei Hong fan myself, especially when he's played by Jet Li. Take a look on the series "Once Upon A Time In China" (1,2,3, and OUATIC America). It's a really delight, this series, directed by Tsui Hark.

Still in the action side, I STRONGLY recommand CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON, by Ang Lee, and starring Chow "The Killer, A Better Tomorrow" Yun Fat and Michelle "Heroic Trio, Tomorrow Never Dies" Yeoh. The fights are choregraphied by Yien "Matrix" Woo Ping, wich really had better "material" than Keanu Reeves, Kate Moss or Samuel L. Jackson for the fights and other stunts. The chasing between the thief and Yu Shu Lien (Yeoh) on Bejing's rooftops, and the fight on the tree tops between Jen and Li Mu Bai (Chow) are really moments of anthology in the Sword Movie genre!

Warpmind>< Good l...k for the campaign! I'm an old Cthulhu player (and Guardian), and I'd love to read that campaign.
Do you plan to continue with your gargoyles fics series, btw?

time to hit the sack. cya later, everybody!

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Friday, October 20, 2000 08:15:22 PM
IP: adsl-10401.turboline.skynet.be

I just saw the Jackie Chan movie Drunked Master. Yah good for me.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, October 20, 2000 07:04:16 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-131-250.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

David G - You are not pathetic, but actually remind me of myself when I dated a certain person, but that is another story for another time, unless enough people are interested.

Daniel J - Heck, I will miss you when you disappear because of the chaos of 2 Daniel's in this room.

**PERSONAL CHOICES**
let's see. I have enough money to purchase the new PC I wanted, but someone else wants me to replace the car my last wreck was in. I say why not get a new PC and new (at least to me) car with a loan. I see a computer as more of a necessity because it relates to my planned career.
**END PERSONAL CHOICES

darn sleep disorder that I have. for me to wake up refreshed, I need 10 hours of sleep not 8 or 7. One of these days, I will have to deal with that problem, about the same time I work on increasing my emotional wellness. In the meantime, getting up early is a real pain.

Doug & Kit - Would you rather have your current life or a more boring life?

**POLL**
What are everyone's favorite types of games? I personally prefer games of strategy and thinking ahead.
**END POLL**

**BFTS RP continues**
DPH & company start their journey on the interstate.
Jason Filler asks, "DPH, where are your parents?"

DPH replies, "Jason, I try not to think about one of them as much as possible. That part of my life I do not want to relive."

Jason mentally asks Connect the same question. Connect responds, "Well, both of his parents have been dead for some time. He made me promise not to talk much about his past, but I can tell that he checks the graveyard where his parents were buried once a year. I never could figure out why, though. That is all I can tell you."
**END BFTS RP for now**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, October 20, 2000 06:52:29 PM
IP: max1-30.cwy.cei.net

*Warpmind enters, puffing on a cigar.*
I forgot to mention this in my last post, mainly due to DC's interference... as you probably know, I sent a Call of Cthulhu material submission to Chaosium some time ago... today, I sent another. Last time, I was politely refused. I hope to fare better this time... :| (This campaign plot is better, anyway... AND it involves a certain Scottish king that's been mistreated in literature, and because of that haunts those who portray him as evil... cyber-cookie to the one who gets the reference...)

P.A. Nathans: Of course it's good to see you back. We were running out of sacrificial ferrets (the lambs being long gone). ;)

David G.: If it's any comfort, I don't think you're pathetic... and, while I suppose this doesn't really help much, you know, it *could* be worse... you could be thrice divorced instead... :| (Oh, and as for how stupid it is to still be hung up on her... nah, not really - just shows you still do give a damn. If you had literally written her out of the census, THEN I'd say there'd be cause for concern...)

Well, that's it... later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, October 20, 2000 06:14:40 PM
IP: mp-217-218-218.daxnet.no

David G's Obnoxiously Long Post: More about me than you ever wanted to know.

***SPOILER WARNING***
IF YOUR STOMACH IS EASILY TURNED BY READING MUSHY, SELF-PITYING GARBAGE, THE FOLLOWING POST MAY SPOIL YOUR APPITITE. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
***

I'm not sure about posting this. It feels like a pathetic plea for sympathy, and lots of people have way more serious problems than I do. But, a few of you have asked, and I'm feeling oddly confessorial (if that's even a word).

Like all problems in the world (if you believe certain, rather harsh, interpretations of the bible) mine starts with a girl.

A few years ago, I met a girl named Jenny. As hokey as it sounds, the first time I saw her I knew that (a) she would break my heart, and (b) I was going to get involved with her anyway. I held off for another two years before it actually happened. We started seeing each other, not exactly dating, but spending a lot of time together. I got to know her really well, and she probably knows me as well as anyone alive...

Anyway, right before Christmas of 97 I realized I was in love with her, or as close to in love as I've ever been. More accurately, I realized I cared about her at least as much as about myself, and that when she was in pain I felt it, too, and that what I really wanted to do for the rest of my life was try to make sure she was never hurt again. I don't actually know if that's love or not, but that's as good a name as any.

At this point, I should mention that beginning with the Christmas of 97, I really hate Christmas.

She didn't love me. Never loved me. Could not possibly, under any scenario imaginable, love me. She really liked me, though, and relied on my emotional support.

Here, gentle reader, we pause in our tale. I'm making Jenny out to be the bad guy here, and that's not true. She never lead me on, and was as gentle as possible when she told me she couldn't return my feelings.

To continue... We sort of split up. Mostly because it would have been easier for me to heat pieces of sharpened metal with a blowtorch and ram them into my stomach cavity than to spend time with her. She still called me, and we still talked sometimes, and for something like a year I didn't tell her how that made me feel. Eventually she moved to Houston (four hours away) and I only had to see her at Ren Fairs twice a year.

"Had to" gives the wrong impression. I wanted to see her. Every time I did, I could hold out the faint (illusionary, pathetic) hope that she might have changed her mind.

God, I'm pathetic.

Anyway, I moved on, sort of. I dated other girls, but rarely since I'm a short, fat Otaku/Gamer/Trekie/SCAdian) But Jenny was always there, in the back of my mind. I pretty much learned to live with it. If I should ever happen to meet another girl who takes an interest in me, I'm not such a wreck that I'm going to screw up the relationship because of Jenny. I deal.

But recently, three things have happened to stir all this back up to the surface of my mind.
1 - my 29th birthday
2 - A pair of my friends are getting married, and another pair (already married) are expecting their first child.
3 - Jenny moved back from Houston, and now lives about an hour away from me, and she's pregnant. Somehow, that makes it all final. (Which is silly, since it was always final, but now I have to accept it)

So anyway (for the third time) That's pretty much it. Intellectually, I know it's pretty stupid to get so hung up over her. I can't seem to stop, though. On top of that, I keep getting these little reminders of how basically empty my life is. I tend to be very isolated (this is as much as I've talked about myself all year), and it's getting very lonely in here.

It's not even that my life is all that bad. I have a pretty good job, decent friends, four Ren Fairs within driving distance. There's just not anyone really close to me, and every year it seems more likely that there never will be.

Oh well. I deal.

*** END SPOILERS ***
YOU MAY RESUME EATING AND READING, BUT YOU'LL GET CRUMBS IN THE KEYBOARD
***
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, October 20, 2000 05:53:45 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Doug: I think I'll get the basics out of the way first. I'm not going to start a 'flame war'. I haven't ever been 'stubborn' in my debates, though. I'll cover this with a quote from commentary in a series of Electronic Mails I'm exchanging with Scott Iskow.

"I do respect others' views. I have for a long time. Possibly as long as I can remember. Often people don't interpret me as doing so, though. I've been accused of acting 'always right' in debates when I continue to debate in defense of my views and/or against others. A close friend of mine brought up that she thinks, if I remember correctly, people aren't prepared to have their views rebutted so
well/intelligently, and thus, instead of continuing to debate a topic intellectually, lash out/see themselves as being threatened and lash out.
"I do have a lot of bitterness at humanity and others. I do refer to the actions of humanity and others scathingly often. That doesn't mean I'm going to grab a rapid fire
gun, load it with the most dangerous ammo I can find, and shove it in people's faces telling them I'm going to pump them full of the ammo its loaded with if they don't change
their views. That doesn't mean I'm going to demand people change their views. I'm going to debate, though. I'll drop the debate eventually, if people want to, and *if*
people don't attack my views in ways like 'you're nieve', 'you're ignorant', 'you're acting like you're always right', 'no-hormone zone', 'bomb-shelter boy', and various other
aspects. If my beliefs are attacked I will defend them and I will not stop until the attacker(s) back(s) off."-Me

Here, however, I will try to soften my tone. There won't be any bitterness. If I have a problem with writings I'll try to deliver the criticism in a more 'gentle' fashion: For
instance, there are goods and bads in THE GARGOYLES SAGA right now, in my opinion, and as soon as I get around to reviewing Episodes people are going to be seeing both.
Any disagreements I will try to present in a 'kinder fashion' as well. If griping about humanity in general or topics that aren't directed at people here and/or their work I may still be bitter. If it starts causing problems I'll try to soften the tone.

Cut to Robby With Portions in Reference to Doug and Kitainia:
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION did *not* have a second season. Whoever told you that is incorrect. Similarly, Episode 26 of NEON GENESIS EVANGELION *was* Hideaki Anno's vision and *was* what he intended. There's speculation as to whether
some 'reviews of already known stuff' was intended to be in Episode 25 or ended up there due to budget problems, though.
Robby, watch the spoilers, please.
Oh, and as for not quoting from XENOGEARS... I still quote from it. I just have many other Games to quote from. Please don't comment me as moving onto another 'Square Role-Playing Game'. I moved onto another Role-Playing Game which happened to be Square. I don't have any extra focus on Square Games and/or any extra like for Square. Actually, I have problems with Square. They cut the budget for XENOGEARS and led to a lot of story, philosophy, and, if I remember correctly, characterization being taken out of the latter portions of the Game (presumedly meaning Disc 2). While I loved Disc 2, it would've been much better if it'd been
complete. Someone said to me something meaning, if I remember correctly, if I think the Game is incredible now, what's missing is incredible compared to what's out already, and/or something like that.
These aren't rumors, by the way, they come from reliable sources. Square cut the budget to work on FINAL FANTASY VIII, and despite how excellent FINAL FANTASY VIII was, XENOGEARS was much much better. I had problems with Square before that... That they get a lot of attention while other
Role-Playing Game companies get the short end of the stick (or is that the right phrase)?
The two people who created XENOGEARS are out of SquareSoft now and, with Namco's aid, have a company of their own... MonolithSoft. Hopefully, we'll get a XENOGEARS Director's Cut sometime.
Warpmind:
I figured out about the HTML Tags after my first new Post here.
Thanks for the notice anyway. :)
As for seeing me back... Thanks. :)
Although why?
VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE:
Don't buy the FOX tapes. I've heard FOX is trashing the series. If I can watch it for free I don't care if its trashed, but if I'm going to get tapes, I'd rather get the original versions, *not* the trashed versions. Did you know FOX melded the first two Episodes of the series into one?
And I'd already intended to check concerning VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE today and tomorrow to see what's up.
Oh, yes, Robby, please don't call VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE a cartoon. That's an insult to the Japanese culture. As someone commented, United States animation for the
most part is cartoons, and then proceeds to go onto make a distinction between Japanese animation, or anime, commenting on how its often better, and gives praises for it. I forget the details of this, but I believe I agreed with the points at the time.
Japanese people don't do 'cartoons'. By trying to compare Japanese anime in the majority with some of the trash that the United States gets, you do it a large insult.
'Toons' were quite possibly derived from the trash LOONY TOON and other type stories that have been on United States television stations for I don't know how long. Something tells me that animated shows were called just that originally, until someone(s) came up with 'toons' and that, somehow along with 'car', became a popular word. And one that can often degrade the better United States animation from what it is by making it appear kiddie and superficial.
In Japan, Japanese animation is an influential part of their culture as well as in many cases much better. NEON GENESIS EVANGELION is no 'toon'. Nor is VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE. Same goes for GUNDAM WING, even though I've only seen one Episode at a cousin's request and heard its cheesy from a friend. Even in GUNDAM WING things seemed structured and well done, and, despite hearing its cheesy, I've also heard some good things about it that leads me to believe that its most likely better than any dumb superhero cartoon (and yes, I'll use that word there) United States people have created.
I hope I've made points here concerning distinctions.
Servarius Junior:
Your two XENOGEARS comments... Are you making fun of me?
Granted, they're pretty clever, but, uh, is quoting from a Game any different than making a Website for it? As for why I praise if... I you have played it and/or ever do play it, you might have seen/will see why I'm so fond of it. Its not every story out there that gets such insane depth in terms of characterization and great philosophy/analytical/message-type stuff.

Back to Doug:
First and foremost:
Duval's an antagonist? Sefton's a villian? Please explain your reasoning. Or did you mean 'Hathaway' in place of Sefton?
***THE GARGOYLES SAGA: PENDRAGON Spoilers***
And I don't remember whether Lancelot's a Halfling or not from THE ILL-MADE KNIGHT. I think he was born to an Elaine and the Lady of the Lake took him in.
***End THE GARGOYLES SAGA: PENDRAGON Spoilers***
Your relationship with Kitainia... Good to hear! :) Its nice to see some people are actually capable of loving each other these days rather than claiming to be in love and worrying about whether their feelings are returned (if you love someone, you will support them, be there for them, et cetera, whether your feelings are returned or not...
Unless, of course, the person doesn't want to be around you. Fearing rejection is not a mark of love but a mark of wanting to *be loved* by someone) or liking what someone
looks like and claiming to be in love with them for that reason.
As for the 'love/hate bit'... That's quite possibly what Lynx meant. That and perhaps that 'love might not be recognizeable without an opposite emotion'. Its similar to the following line from NEON GENESIS EVANGELION, possibly:

"If you've been through pain and hardship, its easier to be kind to others. Being kind isn't a weakness, you know."-Ryoji Kaji
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION:
THE 4TH CHILD

Similarly, if you've known hate (although it could be just dislike) it might be easier to love others.
CHRONO CROSS... I'm not sure how many times I've beaten the Game in terms of its 'good' Ending. I have, however, gotten seven New Game+ Endings and multiple story paths. Did you get the scene with Kid after fighting the HiHo Tank?
Did you agree, disagree, or remain neutral on the dwarves' philosophy of "Our homes and lives are built on the dead backs of other species!"?
Or did you get that philosophy?
Once you beat the Game, don't count CHRONO CROSS done yet. As I mentioned above, there's multiple story paths one can take through the Game. I haven't taken them all yet.
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION... I'd do that. That series quite possibly has deeper characterization than even XENOGEARS!! Maybe more/deeper philosophy/analytical/message stuff, too.
Shakespeare's written classics, I won't dispute that. If something's really popular for a time it could quite possibly become a classic and be passed down through generations. Whether it deserves the popularity is another thing entirely (and since Shakespeare's stories, albiet the ones I've read/am reading are shallow compared to what I'm used to, they're still better than ultra-popular trash with bad/little/no characterization like DRAGONBALL Z).
So if Shakespeare got popular enough, yes, he deserved, and still deserves, to have works called 'Classics'.
What was good for Shakespeare's time may not be the best possible now, though. I've heard Shakespeare may have been popular only for entertainment purposes, and if that's that case that might mean he's even less as good as modern writings can be.
***XENOGEARS Spoilers***
Fei and Elly's 'love relationship' had many more important aspects than 'opposite sides'. The 'opposite sides' bit may have been a derivation from a center that wasn't influenced
by Shakespeare, thus nothing may have been influenced by Shakespeare. Yes, Shakespeare could have influenced stuff, but then so could the many other 'love on opposite sides' stories that I'm sure are around and have been around for a long time. I doubt Shakespeare's ROMEO AND JULIET was the only story to deal with such a concept, although it might have been well-known. Keep in mind the Japanese culture
might also have many classics of their own, too.
***End XENOGEARS Spoilers***
As for the rest of 'possible similarities', the same thing goes, only revised to fit each topic. And keep in mind similarities doesn't necessarily mean influences but can simply mean similar ideas were present.
As for what I've read of Shakespeare... The comments I made are based on what I've read. Yes, there might be better stuff.
What I've read... JULIUS CEASAR, and I'm reading MACBETH now. They're not too swift.
And I've heard some things I don't particularly care for concerning ROMEO AND JULIET.
See above for the 'stubborn on opinions' bit, please.

Gasper:
I don't twist your words and won't. You don't know I will. You don't know much about me, if anything.
XENOGEARS is not a stupid Game, although the United States, at least, may remember more about Shakespeare than XENOGEARS simply because, at this point, at least in the United States, people might not think too much to take note of could be found within Video Games.
Japan... That could very well be different there.
Me... I'll judge each individual story, not the method of storytelling used to tell the story.
And XENOGEARS certainly can be compared to epic literature of any sort. It transcends and kicks the heck out of all written stories I've encountered so far. You might not believe me unless you've played the Game.

Paul

"Maybe that is why humanity is so woefully incomplete."-<Spoiler>
CHRONO CROSS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Friday, October 20, 2000 04:02:44 PM
IP: 14.morristown-03-04rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Doug: I think I'll get the basics out of the way first.
I'm not going to start a 'flame war'. I haven't ever been 'stubborn' in my debates, though. I'll cover this with a quote from commentary in a series of Electronic Mails I'm exchanging with Scott Iskow.

"I do respect others' views. I have for a long time. Possibly as long as I can remember. Often people don't interpret me as doing so, though. I've been accused of acting 'always right' in debates when I continue to debate in defense of my views and/or against others. A close friend of mine brought up that she thinks, if I remember correctly, people aren't prepared to have their views rebutted so well/intelligently, and thus, instead of continuing to debate a topic intellectually, lash out/see themselves as being threatened and lash out.
"I do have a lot of bitterness at humanity and others. I do refer to the actions of humanity and others scathingly often. That doesn't mean I'm going to grab a rapid fire gun, load it with the most dangerous ammo I can find, and shove it in people's faces telling them I'm going to pump them full of the ammo its loaded with if they don't change their views. That doesn't mean I'm going to demand people change their views. I'm going to debate, though. I'll drop the debate eventually, if people want to, and *if* people don't attack my views in ways like 'you're nieve', 'you're ignorant', 'you're acting like you're always right', 'no-hormone zone', 'bomb-shelter boy', and various other aspects. If my beliefs are attacked I will defend them and I will not stop until the attacker(s) back(s) off."-Me

Here, however, I will try to soften my tone. There won't be any bitterness. If I have a problem with writings I'll try to deliver the criticism in a more 'gentle' fashion: For instance, there are goods and bads in THE GARGOYLES SAGA right now, in my opinion, and as soon as I get around to reviewing Episodes people are going to be seeing both.
Any disagreements I will try to present in a 'kinder fashion' as well. If griping about humanity in general or topics that aren't directed at people here and/or their work I may still be bitter. If it starts causing problems I'll try to soften the tone.

Cut to Robby With Portions in Reference to Doug and Kitainia:
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION did *not* have a second season. Whoever told you that was uninformed. Similarly, Episode 26 of NEON GENESIS EVANGELION *was* Hideaki Anno's vision and *was* what he intended. There's speculation as to whether some 'reviews of already known stuff' was intended to be in Episode 25 or ended up there due to budget problems, though.
Robby, watch the spoilers, please.
Oh, and as for not quoting from XENOGEARS... I still quote from it. I just have many other Games to quote from. Please don't comment me as moving onto another 'Square Role-Playing Game'. I moved onto another Role-Playing Game which happened to be Square. I don't have any extra focus on Square Games and/or any extra like for Square. Actually, I have problems with Square. They cut the budget for XENOGEARS and led to a lot of story, philosophy, and, if I remember correctly, characterization being taken out of Disc 2. While I loved Disc 2, it would've been much better if it'd been complete.
Someone said to me something meaning, if I remember correctly, if I think the Game is incredible now, what's missing is incredible compared to what's out already, and/or something like that.
These aren't rumors, by the way, they come from reliable sources.
Square cut the budget to work on FINAL FANTASY VIII, and despite how excellent FINAL FANTASY VIII was, XENOGEARS was much much better.
I had problems with Square before that... That they get a lot of attention while other Role-Playing Game companies get the short end of the stick (or is that the right phrase)?
The two people who created XENOGEARS are out of SquareSoft now and, with Namco's aid, have a company of their own... MonolithSoft. Hopefully, we'll get a XENOGEARS Director's Cut sometime.
Warpmind:
I figured out about the HTML Tags after my first new Post here.
Thanks for the notice anyway. :)
As for seeing me back... Thanks. :)
Although why?
VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE:
Don't buy the FOX tapes. I've heard FOX is trashing the series. If I can watch it for free I don't care if its trashed, but if I'm going to get tapes, I'd rather get the original versions, *not* the trashed versions. Did you know FOX melded the first two Episodes of the series into one?
And I'd already intended to check concerning VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE today and tomorrow to see what's up.
Oh, yes, Robby, please don't call VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE a cartoon. That's an insult to the Japanese culture. As someone commented, United States animation for the most part is cartoons, and then proceeds to go onto make a distinction between Japanese animation, or anime, commenting on how its often better, and gives praises for it. I forget the details of this, but I believe I agreed with the points at the time.
Japanese people don't do 'toons'. They don't do 'cartoons', either. By trying to compare Japanese anime in the majority with some of the trash that the United States gets, you do it a large insult.
'Toons' were most likely derived from the trash LOONY TOON and other type stories that have been on United States television stations for I don't know how long. Something tells me that animated shows were called just that originally, until someone(s) came up with 'toons' and that, somehow along with 'car', became a popular word. And one that can often degrade the better United States animation from what it is by making it appear kiddie and superficial.
In Japan, Japanese animation is an influential part of their culture as well as in many cases much better. NEON GENESIS EVANGELION is no 'toon'. Nor is VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE. Same goes for GUNDAM WING, even though I've only seen one Episode at a cousin's request and heard its cheesy from a friend. Even in GUNDAM WING things seemed structured and well done, and, despite hearing its cheesy, I've also heard some good things about it that leads me to believe that its most likely better than any dumb superhero cartoon (and yes, I'll use that word there) United States people have created.
I hope I've made points here concerning distinctions.
Servarius Junior:
Your two XENOGEARS comments... Are you making fun of me?
Granted, they're pretty clever, but, uh, is quoting from a Game any different than making a Website for it? As for why I praise if... I you have played it and/or ever do play it, you might have seen/will see why I'm so fond of it. Its not every story out there that gets such insane depth in terms of characterization and great philosophy/analytical/message-type stuff.

Back to Doug:
First and foremost:
Duval's an antagonist? Sefton's a villian? Please explain your reasoning. Or did you mean 'Hathaway' in place of Sefton?
***THE GARGOYLES SAGA: PENDRAGON Spoilers***
And I don't remember whether Lancelot's a Halfling or not from THE ILL-MADE KNIGHT. I think he was born to an Elaine and the Lady of the Lake took him in.
***End THE GARGOYLES SAGA: PENDRAGON Spoilers***
Your relationship with Kitainia... Good to hear! :) Its nice to see some people are actually capable of loving each other these days rather than claiming to be in love and worrying about whether their feelings are returned (if you love someone, you will support them, be there for them, et cetera, whether your feelings are returned or not... Unless, of course, the person doesn't want to be around you. Fearing rejection is not a mark of love but a mark of wanting to *be loved* by someone) or liking what someone looks like and claiming to be in love with them for that reason.
As for the 'love/hate bit'... That's quite possibly what Lynx meant. That and perhaps that 'love might not be recognizeable without an opposite emotion'. Its similar to the following line from NEON GENESIS EVANGELION, possibly:

"If you've been through pain and hardship, its easier to be kind to others. Being kind isn't a weakness, you know."-Ryoji Kaji
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION:
THE 4TH CHILD

Similarly, if you've known hate (although it could be just dislike) it might be easier to love others.
CHRONO CROSS... I'm not sure how many times I've beaten the Game in terms of its 'good' Ending. I have, however, gotten seven New Game+ Endings and multiple story paths. Did you get the scene with Kid after fighting the HiHo Tank?
Did you agree, disagree, or remain neutral on the dwarves' philosophy of "Our homes and lives are built on the dead backs of other species!"?
Or did you get that philosophy?
Once you beat the Game, don't count CHRONO CROSS done yet. As I mentioned above, there's multiple story paths one can take through the Game. I haven't taken them all yet.
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION... I'd do that. That series quite possibly has deeper characterization than even XENOGEARS!! Maybe more/deeper philosophy/analytical/message stuff, too.
Shakespeare's written classics, I won't dispute that. If something's really popular for a time it could quite possibly become a classic and be passed down through generations. Whether it deserves the popularity is another thing entirely (and since Shakespeare's stories, albiet the ones I've read/am reading are shallow compared to what I'm used to, they're still better than ultra-popular trash with bad/little/no characterization like DRAGONBALL Z).
So if Shakespeare got popular enough, yes, he deserved, and still deserves, to have works called 'Classics'.
What was good for Shakespeare's time may not be the best possible now, though. I've heard Shakespeare may have been popular only for entertainment purposes, and if that's that case that might mean he's even less as good as modern writings can be.
***XENOGEARS Spoilers***
Fei and Elly's 'love relationship' had many more important aspects than 'opposite sides'. The 'opposite sides' bit may have been a derivation from a center that wasn't influenced by Shakespeare, thus nothing may have been influenced by Shakespeare. Yes, Shakespeare could have influenced stuff, but then so could the many other 'love on opposite sides' stories that I'm sure are around and have been around for a long time. I doubt Shakespeare's ROMEO AND JULIET was the only story to deal with such a concept, although it might have been well-known. Keep in mind the Japanese culture might also have many classics of their own, too.
***End XENOGEARS Spoilers***
As for the rest of 'possible similarities', the same thing goes, only revised to fit each topic. And keep in mind similarities doesn't necessarily mean influences but can simply mean similar ideas were present.
As for what I've read of Shakespeare... The comments I made are based on what I've read. Yes, there might be better stuff.
What I've read... JULIUS CEASAR, and I'm reading MACBETH now. They're not too swift.
And I've heard some things I don't particularly care for concerning ROMEO AND JULIET.
See above for the 'stubborn on opinions' bit, please.

Gasper:
I don't twist your words and won't. You don't know I will. You don't know much about me, if anything.
XENOGEARS is not a stupid Game, although the United States, at least, may remember more about Shakespeare than XENOGEARS simply because, at this point, at least in the United States, people might not think too much to take note of could be found within Video Games.
Japan... Stuff could very well be different.
Me... I'll judge each individual story, not the method of storytelling used to tell the story.
And XENOGEARS certainly can be compared to epic literature of any sort. It transcends and kicks the heck out of all written stories I've encountered so far. You might not believe me unless you've played the Game.

Paul

"Maybe that is why humanity is so woefully incomplete."-<Spoiler>
CHRONO CROSS
Anonymous
Friday, October 20, 2000 03:47:37 PM
IP: 87.morristown-01-02rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

*Warpmind enters, flinging DC's severed head into the corner.*
Grrr... written half the post, then he kills the machine... :( Oh, well, starting over...

Paul Allen Nathans: Dude, please lay off the HTML code when posting - it's not supported in here anyway, and, to be frank, it looks plain *ugly*. Sorta glad to see you back, by the way. ;)

Archwolf: Happy day - *calculate* that makes you 1 year, 11 days older than me. :)

Lynati: Hung Fut? How does a hung foot look? ;) (Bad joke, I know... but the style sounds a bit interesting...)

Rodlox: You DID have the Spike/C.S.Hayden/Christine thing right. :)

Fire Storm: Your blood tastes like turkey? Weird... *Bites knuckle, sips own blood.* Mmmm... sweet and spicy... ]:)

SJ: Actually, I'd agree with you on that "bald chicks from space" thing, except one thing: them being alien is just the icing. ;) A good-looking woman with fine cranial structure unobscured by hair DOES look yummy. And before anybody starts burning bras, let me just say that it's NOT the first thing I look for in a woman. (And no, I won't elaborate further on the subject, out of respect for the CR rules.)

*Spots Gside's comment about hentai tentacles going around, blushes, and tries to cover up incriminating evidence of such work.*

**RP**
Warpmind returned to the restaurant, carrying a cardboard box, staring at the general havoc going on at the demons' table, and SJ and Kari, who were desperately trying to calm Belzelk down.
"I'm gone for a few minutes, and this happens? Why do I always miss the fun stuff?"
Angol sniffed haughtily.
"Well, that sack of weapons you left us tipped the candle and set fire to the tablecloth, and that pretty much started it."
Warpmind cleared his throat.
"Yeah, well... change of subject. Kari, I accidentally overheard your loss of power. I think I can find help..."
"How'd you... never mind, I don't want to know."
Setting the box on the floor, Warpmind scritched his chin.
"Some of my relatives are remodelling the library, but there should be a book on the subject in this box, according to my great-great-great-great-grandfather."
Tearing open the lid, he started placing books on the nearest table.
"Let's see... Beatus Methodivo... nope... Pert Em Hru... unlikely... De Vermiis Mysteriis... not a chance... Gesc�pfe in der Nacht... could be... any of you guys know German?"
Angol grabbed the book, leafing swiftly through it.
"Nothing on Avatars."
"Okay... let's see... Monsters and their Kynde... Celestial Beings... hmmm... there should be something in this one..."
SJ peered into the box and pulled up a glossy magazine.
"Succubus Monthly? Say..."
Warpmind snagged the magazine from his hands, rolling it up and shoving it into a pocket.
"I... hrm... can't seem to get removed from their mailing list... now, let's see... ah, yes, here we are... Disempowered Avatars, page 187... oh, dear..."
Kari perked up.
"What?"
"Well, it says that Avatars can lose their powers when courted by two of the opposite sex at the same time, and a choice is necessary to regain powers... waitaminute, there's a footnote here, too... if the deity is a Greek or Roman goddess, there is also the possibility that she's being bitchy... hm..."
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, October 20, 2000 01:38:59 PM
IP: mp-219-31.daxnet.no

****Kyryn steps in for a moment, a sheaf of papers in one hand and a red pen in the other.****

King Snarf> Plans? (evil grin) Why, yes, the staff does have plans. Characters may be out of the limelight for a while, but they are not being forgotten. ;)

Stephen> Congrats on the new job!

Fire Storm> Sympathy on the teeth. As you can see from my earlier post, I thoroughly understand your pain. <Blood taste> Hmmm. Mine always tasted salty and metallic.

Later All!

****Kyryn disappears back into the depths of the editor's office****

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Friday, October 20, 2000 12:06:23 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

Greetings all... one post before I depart for Necronomicon!

Doug & Everyone Else that wished me good tidings on my new job - Thankee! Though it's been slightly a bit of a pain because of the long bus rides, the real butt-tweeker has been they haven't had the T-1 lines in the call center installed yet... so All I've basically been doing is going to training and company policy classes all week. Hopefully I'll learn by noon today whether or not I start for real on Monday... keeping fingers crossed.

Also, I am slowly getting back into my writing: trying to finish up a halloween story for Wintersmith Dreams before the 25th, and other projects... will let you know soon what comes to what.

Will talk to everyone possibly late sunday night!

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FLA, USA
Friday, October 20, 2000 11:23:49 AM
IP: 24129160hfc185.tampabay.rr.com

Hi everyone, hope you had a nice week.

Wilek<<doubles over gurgling and twitching with sympathetic withdrawl syndrome>> That was pretty much the same reaction that I had, but I'll take any kind of Internet connection I can get just to get here.

Kyryn-A crown and a possible root canal, sorry to hear that. Good luck.

Fire Storm-OW! That sounds bad. So many people are having dental problems. Monday I'm headed to the dentist to get my teeth checked (wisdom teeth might be on the move, AH!)

Doug- Yeah harsh weather had never been a big problem for me (yet). I don't use the cruise control either (Hummers don't have them ;P). I hope everything is alright with your car. Continue to drive safely...and that goes for everyone here!

You know I still can't get use to the fact that my night is your day, at least everyone in the States.

See you tomorrow (night!)
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
KoreaFriday, October 20, 2000 05:53:15 AM
IP: 211.216.216.41

Damn Phoenix Gate, never has worked for me.

*Flags down a person.* YA might wanna get this fixed.
Gasper
Friday, October 20, 2000 04:54:14 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4

*****Gasper in Hell RP Begin******

He dreamt of the woman, the one he failed to save so long ago, when a loud pop destroyed the vision. Groaning, he put a hand to his head and wondered for the umpteenth time when he'd be released from a prison he didn't belong in. Startled from the long dream, the dead Dragoon slowly rose to see the bane of his existance in Hell, Seven, in front of him.
"A beautiful dream, but ultimately, that, a dream."
"Well, freaks like you lady would intrude on something like that. What do you want?"
"The same as you." She replied, "I want out of this forsaken place. My homeworld describes an intricate burial ceremony that if I'm not buried in the soil of my forebearers, I'll wonder the universe forever."
Gasper scoffed at the comment, then walked away. "What should I care? You're the reason we're both down here. I have a reason to leave, you don't."
"You sound so sure. I was the savior of many plane-"
"And the destroyer of more. Sorry Seven, You're stuck here. Maybe those folks I met before my demise will wish me, or return me back to earth, but unless you have the proverbial 'get outta jail free' card, then you're screwed." With that, Gasper continued walking out of site, when he heard an eruption from where she stood. Immediately turning and throwing up a ki shield, he deflected several blasts of powers from the shrieking woman. 'Can't live with'm, can't live without'm.' Rising to the challenge, he threw his ki higher, the tips of his hair standing on end with gold highlighting the ends. Rushing forward, he started another days worth of sparring with Seven.

*****Gasper in Hell RP END*********

Evening. Been saving that for a while...now seems as good a time as any to come back into that part.

Selanit- Robby's probably explained it, but this is what I understand about it. The three Tenchi's are all different, but have pretty much the same theme. We just got done with the Tenchi OVA I believe is the word. It's 13 episodes, and not much else but was based on the manga. But it's REALLY good. Now, Tenchi Universe is starting up, you'll find it much better I think. Unfortunately, we lose the Tenchi II sword, which is that handle he finds in the first Muyo episode. The best way to explain is to go to www.toonami.com, and look under commmunity, and it has the explanation. I hope this helps. Also, one last thing. For Tenchi Universe, watch the first five episodes, and you'll get the story behind the series, or atleast, most of the exposition. Forget how the characters in Muyo meet, but remember who they were, because Ryoko, Ayeka, Washu, Mihoshi, Sesami (Though I don't know if she has the Tsunami connection), and Ryo-ohki (I love the Meow meow song. It grows on ya, and it's cute.) are basically all the same, with some minor changes.

Nathans- I'm surprised in a sense to see it is you that was here before. First things first. GET OFF XENOGEARS FOR CRIPES SAKES!! Shakespeare is immortal, and 100 years from now, hell, 1000(!) years for now if the human race is still around, the will remember more about Shakespeare then they will about a stupid game. Feel free to twist the words around all you want, I know you will. So don't take me so literal. Hell, I haven't even played xenogears and I KNOW that it can never be compared to epic literature of ANY sort. So get your head outta your arse and your body outta your room, and experiance REAL LIFE!

I apologize the room had to see me say that. Ah well, Blasny Blasny.

Taleweaver- Ah yes, another who remembers those wonderful days when Anime was on....My first taste was Vampire Hunter D. A VERY well made show, unfortunately, I didn't get to see Robot Carnival much, and only picked up a little understanding of Dominion Tank Police, with those two winged thingies. Project A-ko was cool too. Also, for American editing, ya know the swimsuits the ladies where, wonderful editing job us Americans do. Probably kept about 1/4 of the show viewable, considering they were all...ahem....uh...in the buff mayhaps? Well, my face is red now, but the truth is that. I can't wait to catch up on the Universe eps. My favorite scene, the ********SPOILER FOR TENCHI UNIVERSE!!!********** When Azaka and Kamidake are playing video games with Sesami, and she's winning against warriors who've faced numerous dangers and battle. Always funny. ********END SPOILER!*********

The Skulls-- A good movie in its right, I was impressed. Though I will say the beginning was VERY rushed, with little to NO exposition on most of the characters. My thoughts were it's a good show, but when it's priced to own, not worth the 12 bucks it'll be at Suncoast. Kudos though to Leslie Bibb, Babalicious as always, and Steve Harris, from The Practice one great performances. Also, Christopher McDonald is in it, as a bad guy, you love to hate this guy.

The Pledge by Rob Kean - - Now if you want a GOOD book, in the same sense of the Skulls but MUCH more detail, find The Pledge. Though at first you may think this guy is ripping the movie off, it's actually MUCH more original, with MANY more plot twists then you'll expect. Trust me, this book is just BEAUTIFUL! I hope the movie they make out of it, and it is confirmed there is one, will be true to the book, or heads'll role.

Well, my two cents, for what they're worth, are here. Enjoy, and see ya'll later.

Gasper - [gasper@icybrian.com]
USFriday, October 20, 2000 04:53:09 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Hey, what's up! I've been voraciously reading through Seasons 1 of TGS and Pendragon (read up through "Prophets & Angels" & "Mercenary", respectively) and am enjoying it immensely. I especially enjoyed the "Stoned by day" comment.

I've noticed that these "episodes' are a little more PG-13 than the old series was. Not that that's a bad thing, mind you.

Robby- Don't feel bad; I didn't register either. Never really saw much point. It's not like the people actually choose the guy who wins (Curse you, electoral college!).

One final question for everyone out there: Has anything been done with the Nokar/ Alien War or Thailog in any of the episodes (in a major significant way)? Because if not, I've had a few devious ideas regarding these that I'd like to share with the staff. (Please feel free to be as vague as you like in responding to my question; I don't want to spoil anything I may read later...)

Peace out!
Matt "King Snarf" Maybray - [reginald_q_bubmershoot@hotmail.com]
Drexel Hill, PA, USA
Friday, October 20, 2000 04:41:58 AM
IP: a030-1407.phl2.splitrock.net

Real brief post, since its 2 in the morning here and I have to be up at seven. Durn insomnia and projects with drop dead dealines in the immediate future...

On the upside, it looks like I'll soon have another work published. This time in the Ninja High School Swimsuit special. (Last time it was the Ninja High School Annual.) Thats right, four pages of me drawing scantily clad woman, DBZ style ninja moves, and a really friggin big robot. All in just four pages! (This is by the way, the project I've been busting my hump on all week to get done, and once its finished I really need to get back to TGS stuff, as well as college midterms. Oii...)

Meteor Man- Glad to hear so many other people in her elike the movie. I listened to it again tonight, (while I worked) and it was a fun movie as I remembered. Especially the "fight" sequence at the end...

Political stuff- I waved my right to voice an opinion or complain about the final results a few days back, as I didn't get around to registering to vote. (If I'd had in mind a clear canidate, evena third party that I could vote for, I would have. As is, I'm not happy with any of the choices. Ironically, both guys up for VP seem to be better actual Presidential choices... Although if Gore actually *did* claim he was one eigth Oompa Loompa and started singing, I might just change my opinin about him...

Baseball- Conan O Brian made a really good point about this game last night. Two things that would make the game far more interesting.
1- Allow the runner to choose which base he runs to, first or third. It would throw everyone off, result in teammates passing each other, and would make the game more interesting overall. Wouldn't help TOO much, but it would spice things up a good deal.
2- Have players burst into flames every now and again.

Doug and Kit- Feel free to finish off the Dirty Laundry gang, I'm not likely to ever get to those plans. As is, I'd intended to FINISH the Ten saga like three months ago, but am only now getting close to starting it up again...

Lynati- Fun bit you got there. Unfortunatley, most of the details about Brooklyn's time with Meyrt are going to be pretty vauge probably... Permanently... since it was just a MASSIVE ammount of time to cover and was mostly slice of life stuff... And worthy of a rating that couldn't be discussed in this room... *grins* Still, fanfics based on the fanfic is always an option...

Gasper- Haven't missed much in the RP. Since both SJ and myself have only been able to post once or twice a week, and haven't always had time or felt like doing RP, the story hasn't really gotten too far. Basically just doing fun filler stuff right now, but hopefully will be starting up the Ten (or Two at this point) saga again soon.

As far as the emotional attachment for heroes, good point. (Tho Cyclops wouldn't really be a powerhouse without Jean around. He'd still be a wuss.)

And Drummond is returning to the role of Vegeta for the Buu saga? Coool... Only 53 more episodes plus many months of reruns to go through then...

Wilek- Yes, THAT Lobo. He also used to bleed acid that creates new members of his species if I'm not mistaken. (Magic took care of that since the universe did NOT want Lobo to procreate...) Recently he was turned into a teenager...

SJ- As far as Fox dropping Escaflowne... What do you expect? They were showing an *INTELLIGENT* cartoon at what? 10 in the morning? Right after Digimon and before that bizarre thing with the CGI dinosaurs? If Escaflowne was on Cartoon Network it would be in the Toonami slot right after Gundam Wing and get an uncut slot in the midnight run... (Actually, since Fox has dumped it, but has already dubbed it for television, Cartoon Network might be able to pick it up now...)

As far as anime video prices... I agree with you wholeheartedly. And subtitles are usually more expensive. Sorry. but as a rule, I *refuse* to buy *ANY* video for 40 dollars. *Nothing* is worth that much. (Okay, I could see spending that kind of cash for a Gargoyles DVD with 18 episodes and bonus crap on it, but...) Generally I don't go above 20 bucks, (And that's mostly on Slayers and Ranma) but I am willing to bend it just a little for subtitled Trigun.

Selanit- Tenchi Muyo *HAS NO ENDING*. It was an OVA series and funding was cut before the story could be finished. (Tho the manga continues THAT continuity.) Tenchi Universe is completley independant, and the entire story fits in 26 episodes, all of which Cartoon Network aired. (Tenchi Universe is also the continuity the 3 movies fit into.) Tenchi in Tokyo is a third continuity, and it has a complete storyline in 26 episodes, also all of which were aired. Magical Girl Pretty Sammy is a fourth continuity of another 26 independant episodes, but Cartoon Network isn't airing that one at all.

Taleweaver- As I just noted, Tenchi Universe is the same continuity that the three movies, Tenchi In Love, Daughter of Darkness, and Tenchi Forever, falls into. The movies (particularly Tenchi Forever) finish off the storyline pretty well actually... Tenchi Forever is one of my top five animes of all time.

(As far as Neon Genesis, that series had its entire second season and episode 25 andf 26 budget cut to nothing, so it never got the second season and the last two episodes were a mess. The movie explains almost everything tho. Except who shot Kaji...

And the anime movies Sci-Fi used to air... Sci Fi had a really wierd habit of only picking up a portion of a series... Like Galaxy Express had two other movies... Dominion had four other movies... Uresei Yatsura had SEVEN other movies and a 200+ episode series... Lodoss War had another 10 chapters...

SJ- The CR has a PG-13 rating. You can use offensive language, but its the content that counts. (Basically the rules boil down to no excessively graphic descriptions of pornographic material. You can say "penis" or "vagina" or "breast' or whatever, as long as you don't describe those things. Wierd rules we have in place, eh?)

And hey, as far as PN is concerned, at least he isn't *still* using quotes from that game, he's moved on to another Square RPG...

Why is the Digimon movie failing in theaters- I dunno. I haven't seen it yet, but I will this weekend with some friends and see the new Jackie Chan flick as a double feature. My guess, the fact that they spliced three seperate movies into one and GAVE AWAY EVERYTHING (The Digimon! They're evolving into one!) in the commercials and the animations looks horrid could be factors... That, and little kids probably can't appreciate almost 90 minutes of solid fight sequences...

**RP HERE**

Out somewhere in the vastness that is Earth, stand Mephisto. He thinks to himself.
"Well, I've managed to escape my captors... But what to do now? My domain in HFIL and all my minions have been lost to me. I was supposed to be millions of light years away from this planet right now to avoid the impending destruction, but am instead stuck here. What can I possibly do when the remaining ten arrive? I suppose... I shall have to fight them..."

Meanwhile, back at the driving school, Jim and Black Tiger are engaged in a race. Both are doing 120 miles an hour, as fast as they can go.
Brain yells at BT. "Slow down you fool! We'll be killed! I can't take over the world if I'm killed!"
"Be quiet mouse. I am showing my skills at this so I can get my license and get back to training before the world is destroyed by all powerful beings called the ten."
Brain blinks at that.

Right beside that car, Lonny yells at Jim. "Go faster you fool! We're losing to that other guy!"
"I'm going as fast as a can," Jim notes non-chalantly.
Suddenly, a car horn blares behind the racers. "BEEP BEEP!" A little nash rambler pulls up alongside of them as if they were going slow. A fellow rolls down his window, and yells for them to hear, "Hey buddy! How can I get this car out of second gear?"
Robby
Friday, October 20, 2000 04:14:35 AM
IP: spider-tq083.proxy.aol.com

Begin Part 2!!

Jaden: Driving in harsh weather is easy for you? Congratulations. I get scared and worried about skids and hydro-planing every time I do it. Though I am driving a supposedly very safe car, with good tires and handling. I say supposedly, because it's appeared to be so to me in the few months I've owned it, but it is a Ford Focus 2000, which I heard Ford is recalling in Wednesday's paper. <growls> I'm waiting a while before I take mine in for the recall, want to get the documentation on it Ford is supposed to send me first. I'm not too worried, as I drive safely anyway and never use cruise control (the mechanism they called unsafe in the car) since I consider it lazy, but still�<sigh> Glad to know you're doing fine, hope things keep going well.

Rodlox: Welcome back, friend! Been missing you a lot, good to see you again. We'll e-mail you the greater details of what we've been doing with your RP characters in your absence on Saturday probably, and outline some of our future plans for them too. You can always check the archives to know the former before then, if you want. Hope you can get back into the RP soon, we'll be waiting for you. :)

Ed: Who's Jessica? I don't recall any Pendragon characters by that name. Just asking cause no one else has. Hope you just gave the wrong name for someone else. I liked your comments on the latest Pendragon ep and agree that we should have some focus eps this season on Rory, Leba, and Griff sooner or later. Though the one with Rory and Molly earlier, forget the title, was very good in its development on the first two of these characters. :) I liked the integration, development on Norman, and seeing Lancelot as an enigma whose layers of mystery are being peeled away ever so slowly too.

Niamhgold: Good luck in helping your friends, hope their problems don't drive you too crazy. And that you can get them all resolved somehow. Let us know if you need help, and please provide details too so we know what to say if you do need it. Whatever happens, good luck resolving the problems appropriately, permanently, and quickly. Hope to see you in here again real soon.

Lynati: Cool story idea, hope it gets used by someone somewhere sometime. Looking forward to reading the result. I also wish you good luck in getting into the TGS staff, your posts up to now have convinced at least one reader you have what it takes. <grin>

**BUFFY, ANGEL SPOILERS**
Real good episodes of these shows this week. Buffy was a bit too character-centric, but that worked in its favor as much as its disfavor. Really liked the developments on Buffy and Riley, the dialogue between them was great and it was nice to see their love issue resolved. Also nice that their relationship did have some imperfection and conflict, however brief. More is probably in the works if I know Joss Whedon. :) Good bits with Graham too, hope to see him again someday and have resolved the issues he raised about where Riley should be and his mission in life. Spike was as entertaining and hilarious as always, the end scene in particular had me rubbing my palms together in anticipation, gaping open-mouthed, and then laughing my head off. Been a while since I've done that. Really liked Spike's interplay with Harmony too, who is doing a great job poking fun at cliched villainy. And the scenes with the surgery and chip were also great. Also liked the bits of development on Willow, Joyce, Giles, and Dawn. Looking forward to more development on the latter next week, hope that some of the questions about her are answered but not all. If she is the season's meta-plot as I suspect, that's the way things should be. 9/10 on this week's ep, point off cause I missed Xander and felt they concentrated a bit too much on the Buffy-Riley relationship and Spike-Buffy one (though I did really like the developments in both, don't get me wrong) to the exclusion of other important arcs. Good to see the Buffy-loves-Riley deal resolved quickly though, looking forward to the other arcs being paid more attention starting next week.

Real nice developments in Angel too. The Darla scenes were once again spooky, particularly since we know there is some reality element to them now. Looking forward to seeing Angel find that out next week and also him learning that Darla is back. Good development on Cordelia in this development too, and nice dialogue between her and Gunn once again. Liked Gunn's scenes also, it's good to see him becoming friends with the other main characters. Wesley had some good lines but not much else IMO, hope he'll have more ahead this season. The development on Lilah I liked best of all, she needed some fleshing-out as a character and she definitely got it here. Many good surprising developments too. Hope a Lindsay-centric episode is in the future, though not too close. He did have a few real good ones at the end of last season after all. I enjoyed the developments on Angel also, and really liked the scene of his impersonating a police detective. Wonder how Kate would react to that, hope she comes back soon. Finally, I thought Bethany was a great character too, though it did take a lot of thinking and discussion for me to fully get her personality and development. She was built up well in the episode, though, especially in the scenes with her father and the near-lovescene with Angel. Cool effects job on her telekinetics too. Overall 10/10, this ep was a great stand-alone and had real nice developments in the season's meta-plot also. Can hardly wait to see more attention paid to the latter next week.
**SPOILERS OVER**

Janine: Congrats on getting to meet Anthony Stewart Head, hope you didn't end up owing him any money. You were in Vegas. <grins and laughs>

Guandalug: Glad you got the info. I wish you continued good luck on re-coding the archive, glad you're making a backup. And congrats on getting the e-mail problem fixed.

David G: I'm sorry to hear you feel you can't tell us about the reasons for your angst and depression, hope it ends soon anyway. We'll do our best to help you given our limited knowledge and understanding of the problem, gotta be friends. <sigh> Good luck, and hang in there, just remember we're on your side no matter what. <pats on the back>

Delphi: Welcome back, glad things are looking up in your life. Hope you get a car soon, and it's a good one. Don't take anything older than ten years or you'll learn some lessons the hard way like Kit and I did. <sigh>

SJ: Travolta is making another Battlefield Earth movie? What is wrong with the guy? <gapes and shakes head> I agree with your assessment of the guy, he's definitely been brainwashed to the max. Maybe Kit and I need to do an RP-cleansing of him to straighten him out, we'll see. Hope that he finds better work to keep him occupied before that sequel, if he really intends to do it. <sigh> He deserves better, given his success in the past. Thanks for letting us know the release date of the first Harry Potter and LOTR films, Kit and I are also planning to see both with LOTR first. I also continue to enjoy your comments on the presidential election and debates. I agree with you on many issues, particularly the Barbara Bush deal. The Gore and Rolling Stone deal surprised me, I had not heard about that particular possible scandal. Heh. Did make entertaining reading, though. Hope you're wrong about Lazio losing, I'd rather see him in the Senate than Hillary any day. There has been enough Clinton torture on the nation in the last eight years IMO. But we'll just have to see how things work out. <sigh> Congrats on your posting rate, I'm enjoying the RPs. $ Don't forget SJ's scientific genius in his list of good qualities. After all, he did create such powerful and deadly beings as Jim Noying's clone Mij and Asil. $

Lexy: Don't worry, you weren't coming off that way. Your claims were well-substantiated and you wrote in a tone that easily begot sympathy. Which we were proud to give, you're welcome. :) I wish you continued good luck in the quest to become a teacher. From what I've heard, it is a long road but the potential results are very much worth the time and effort. Especially since you'll be a real good teacher IMO.

Kyryn: Sorry to hear you may need a root canal, hope that's just a preliminary prognosis and will be proven wrong later. Whatever happens, hope the tooth stops aching soon and good luck. Glad you got to enjoy the Texas State Fair, and thanks for telling us about it. Kit and I will unfortunately not have time to attend it ourselves. <sighs> Oh well, at least one of our friends did. :)

Paul Allen Nathans: Honestly didn't expect to see you in here again, welcome back. Hate to have to say this, but I must to express my honest feelings- I hope that you will be more civil to people and cause fewer flame wars this time around. I'm confident that you will, just have to say it. If you remember your history here, you know why. To answer your questions, Kit and I are doing just fine. Our relationship is going great, it's grown stronger recently in fact due to the major stress sources in our lives (we've both gotten new jobs, mine has had a lot of problem people on it and my mentor died recently, and she was stalked and harassed until a few weeks ago by a jerk named Gus and his friends- read the CR archives for more details) and the mutual support we've given each other in getting through them. We thought a stronger relationship was impossible between us before, I must say it's good to see that we were wrong. Love is an ever-developing ever-changing thing. And not the same as hate, I think, whatever Lynx the ultra-cool villain says. They're only similar in the depths of intensity to which they can go and in being opposite sides of the same coin IMO. Yes, I have been playing Chrono Cross recently, though I haven't beat it yet, lack of time. I've only just defeated the Earth and Water Dragons. So please, let's not start a big discussion on it yet, okay? <grin> I'm sure you've already beat the game a dozen times. Have never seen any eps or movies of Neon Genesis Evangelion, though I have heard good things about it. Maybe I'll check it out someday. Lastly, I must disagree with you bigtime on Shakespeare. The characterization in his plays is shallow sometime, yes, but it's not so in many other cases. For one example, look at Prince Hal in Henry IV, Parts 1 and 2, and then in Henry V. Great development and maturation there. Also you have to remember that his stories are plays, not videogames or anime. Quite different format from Xenogears. Quite different time they were written in too. And it is IMO inarguable that Shakespeare's plays are classics. Even more so than Xenogears, which I'm not disputing the quality of in any way. I'm just saying I think Shakespeare is good too, as good as Xenogears at least. In fact, one might even say that the story in Xenogears wouldn't be as great as it is if it weren't for Shakespeare. He popularized the concept of love developing between characters on opposite sides for one thing, there are many parallels between Fei & Elly and Romeo & Juliet. I also see much influence from The Tempest and King Lear in Xenogears, particularly in the development of Lacan, Krelian, Rico, and Miang. Bart reminds me a lot of Prince Hal too. Not gonna go into detail on this, I know from past experience how stubborn you can be about your opinions and DO NOT want to get into another videogame-inspired flame war. There are more important things in life after all. Just wanted to state my opinions too.

Todd: Thanks for making the correction on the name of Morgana's daughter. I was gonna make it myself tonight, but it's always good to be saved trouble. <grin>

Firestorm: Sorry to hear about your pain and exhaustion, hope it soon passes. At least the operation that brought it about was necessary, and it's over now. May you not have to deal with the bad consequences for too long. Good luck, and hang in there, friend.

Daniel Johnson: Welcome back! Good to see you. Congrats on getting the situation with your mother solved, for now. I'm glad that you're feeling relieved and peaceful about it all, hope that continues. Also hope that things continue to work out for her with the nursing home, glad she can afford it on her own for several years. You should be proud of yourself for caring about and for her so much, it is indeed rare for any child, including a son, to be doing such. But always valued when it is done. I hope to be able to do the same with my own mother, if I have to someday when she gets old. Congrats also on the new monitor, and hope your life continues to go well.

<sighs> Okay, I guess that's it for this really long post. One last thing I feel I must mention, though. Things in my life are going pretty well, but it's not so for every member of my family unfortunately. My maternal grandfather, Granddaddy as we call him, has recently suffered the loss of three of his really good friends, all in the same week practically. Even worse, he only found out about their deaths after coming back into his hometown of Beaumont, TX from a brief vacation, and they had all already been laid to rest. He's very depressed about it all, though when I talked to him about it tonight he did seem to have reached the stage where he has accepted that life goes on. What distresses me is that the emotional depression resulting from this, combined with the cuts in Medicare funding by politicians making it so much more expensive to give people the medical care they need, is making him give up his medical practice. This distresses me because Granddaddy's been a doctor practically all his adult life, and a damn good one. Still has the potential to be so, even though he's seventy-five years old and not as fit as he used to be. This is the guy who more than anyone else taught me the value of hard work and doing things well and being responsible for your mistakes, as well as the value of noticing and correcting the mistakes of others. It's distressing to see him giving up a profession that he was so good at, in which he has helped so many people and done so much good. Yeah, I know retirement has to come sometime for everyone, but Granddaddy is just the kind of guy I never thought would retire. Don't like his reasons for doing it either, should be obvious why. <shrugs> But he's made up his mind, and the mind's stubborn, so I'm not gonna argue with him. I'd just like to ask you all to please keep him in your prayers. He is going through a lot of grief and emotional pain.

And that is truly all for this post, will see everyone in here again next time. May our lives continue to be full of good developments. Everyone stay cool, and later!

**RESUME RP- RAVENS' SAGA. WARNING- EXCESSIVE VIOLENCE AND LENGTH**

"You're dead, Elder," Holder chuckles, waving his stick and knife at Doug as the screen comes back on. "You first," Doug retorts in a tone of half-bravery, readying his nightstick. Laughing, Holder is about to charge, but is shoved aside as several other people rush forward. "Hey!" he shouts, but is ignored. "You're gonna die now, wetback lover!" a black punk in a green shirt snaps, his two friends chorusing agreement. "Yeah!" one of them adds. "You're gonna die for kicking us out of Wal-Mart just for making racist remarks!" The jerks behind them yell out more grievances and Doug grimaces, pulling out his plasma shotgun and causing the assembled throng of losers to gasp just before he fires it several times into their ranks. The three black punks are among the first to die screaming, and several of those who were angry at Doug for making them pull out of the fire lane or handicapped spaces they weren't supposed to be in are right behind them. Some of the group try to fight back, one man shooting a needle of crack into his arm and then bellowing in rage as he dashes forward. Doug snarls in anger as he slaps him away with his nightstick and then fires his plasma shotgun, blowing away the crack addict and a Hispanic woman in skanky clothing who was running up to help him. "Hmm," Doug frowns as he looks at a red jumper box she dropped and reads aloud lettering on its side. "Protective Services 2000. Why does that name sound familiar?" ($ That's the name of my security company, if anyone hasn't guessed. The lady in question stole a jumper box from us while it was plugged in and charging, and while Abel, who was on duty at the time, saw her carrying it, she got on the bus and it sped off too fast for him to intervene. $) As he ponders the question and Tom and Leah rush in to help occupy Holder, Falls, and the other jerks still facing him, Kit roars at Jerry and jabs her taser into his groin, causing him to scream loudly and then gasp as she grabs him and throws him off, right into Shauna and the punks holding her. Percy's shot flies over their heads and he curses as they fall. "Losers!" Shauna growls at his pals as she manages to free herself from them, beating them off with kicks and punches as they try to strike back at her and grab her again, thus spoiling the fuming Percy's aim. Kit has meanwhile leapt back to her feet and cast a quick glance at Jerry, who is lying on the ground gasping in pain as residual waves of electricity course through his body. She shakes her head at him, and turns to glare at Gus, Sternie, and Lorna, who are staring at her in shock. Kit gives them an expression of cold fury and, grimacing, they back away. Meanwhile, all around the Food Court (the North one, if anyone cares), the other Ravens continue their own battles. Shap cuts down the lead burglar with a triple-slash combo, and then takes out the shocked twins with two quick thrusts that each feels double. As they fall over gasping in pain and die, he utters a prayer for their souls and then turns to help Shauna with her many opponents. Tricia and Mansfield are continuing to battle the KKA frat boys, who have now called for help from a bunch of crazed Texas Longhorn fans whose bodies are covered with orange and white paint and who are screaming bloody murder while singing the Eyes of Texas. "Geez, guys," Jammer grimaces at his own opponents as he, Orion, and Anthony knock them down and more keep coming. "How many of you can there be?" Boris is meanwhile shaking his head at the bank robber as another paint pellet smashes against his chest. "You really think that's gonna do any damage?" he quips. "This is a weapon." With that, he pulls out his bazooka and fires it, obliterating the shocked bank robber with an HE shell. "Need any help?" Boris then turns to ask Elena, who has just transformed into her Liberation Angel form, in which she is immune to poison, and broken every bone in her editor's body with a series of punches, wing slaps, and kicks. "Why?" he gasps. "I only did my job in censoring you, you had no right! You had no right�" Trailing off, he slumps over in death. "I'm fine," Elena tells Boris. "Keith or Stephanie might need it, though." Boris turns to look and sees that Keith is surrounded by the crowd of cheering South Central Shady Trees, Fired Suits, and martial arts students as he faces off with the latter's sensei. Stephanie is meanwhile taking on several opponents at once with her blade, dodging some thrusts and parrying others with swipes or kicks. The few wounds she gets she ignores as they quickly seal up in flashes of electricity. The Highlander sequel scriptwriters charge her en masse, and she beheads them with several quick slashes as they all drop their guards in their initial attacks. Saluting her remaining opponents, Kit's sister then does a backflip and runs into Camp Snoopy, chuckling and shouting challenges as she goes. "After her!" Jacob Kell cries, and the Highlander Sequel directors and producers nod, leaping over the balcony railing onto the roller coaster of Camp Snoopy. "Come on, Katana, Nakano!" Kell shouts to two other immortals who rush up beside him. "We'll circle around and get her from below. "I think not," Nakano shakes his head, transforming into a bird with a laugh that turns to a panicked squawk as Elena leaps upon him and chops him to ribbons, cutting his head off with a swipe of her bladed wrist. Katana draws his sword and is about to run help his comrade, when another shell from Boris's bazooka hits him in the head and blows it off. "Curses!" Kell growls as Katana's body falls down, running off towards the nearest escalator. "The others need us!" Boris shouts at Elena, who nods in agreement. "Let him go!" As they run back to help their fellow Ravens, a cloud of smelly green smoke suddenly appears in the midst of the battle, sending nearly everyone staggering and coughing. "Need a hand?" asks Lathrop, appearing out of the cloud beside Doug and Kit with a smile on his face. "Lathrop!" Kit smiles. "I thought your flight was delayed!" "Thought I'd save time by teleporting," the wizard chuckles. "Pity the ticket was nonrefundable. What's going on?" "We'll explain in a second!" Doug replies. "This is a good time to fall back to a more defensible position. Looking around as best he can through the stinking cloud, he smiles as he catches sight of the walls and towers of Lego Land. "That should do! Everyone follow me!" He fires a red signal flare into the air and nearly all the Ravens and their allies rush towards it, then follow Doug and Kit as they lead the way into the enormous four-story showplace. "Stephanie and Keith didn't follow us!" Kit shouts as Jammer slams the gate shut. "They can handle themselves, can't they?" Mansfield asks. "Well, yes," Kit frowns. "My sister's immortal, and I only saw Keith facing one guy when we ran in here. But�" "Never mind," Doug tells her, taking charge of the situation. "We'll worry about them later." "Have to worry about Orion too," Shap grimaces. "I don't see him here. Did he go running some other way?" "I saw him heading for Underwater Adventures," says Shauna. "He had a strange look on his face. I wonder�" "Never mind," Doug cuts in. "We can go see about them when we've thinned the enemy a bit more. The important thing now is to get ready for a siege while they're regrouping." The others frown but nod, seeing his point. They quickly begin looking for and securing defensive places in the displays of Lego models while Doug fills Lathrop in on the events that have gone by so far.

Meanwhile, Pastor John waves his hand and growls a demonic epithet, causing the stinking cloud to dissipate and fade away. "You're a sorry bunch!" he spits at the group of his minions who were caught by it as they gasp and recover. "I honestly expected more from you! All of you!" Most of the group grimace and frown, though the sensei (whose name is Blankenship) and those cheering him on ignore John and are likewise ignored by him. "Give us a break, sir!" Jerry snarls as he gets up grimacing in pain and leaning on his polearm. "They did some unexpected things!" "They ran in there!" Warren Walker shouts, pointing towards Lego Land. "Let's go get them!" "Yeah," yells Gus. "I want that bitch Kitainia Telman! She's gonna leave me alone permanently!" "And I'm gonna shoot that Shauna Lockdale down!" Percy adds. The others voice agreement and declarations about making the other Ravens pay for what they've done. John shakes his head as he hears it. "You handle the ninja!" he yells at Blankenship and co. "We'll take the others!" The sensei nods, making some practice moves as Keith does the same. John snaps his fingers and orders the large group of jerks to start surrounding Lego Land, then takes out his radio. "Bishop!" he yells into it. "You there? How are things outside?" "Evacuation appears complete," Galante replies from the parking lot. "All the shoppers and staff of the mall are either unconscious or dead now, or so it appears. It's possible a large number of them managed to escape through the parking garages and the sewers, which we were not able to completely seal off. They are inconsequential, however." "No, they're not!" John shoots back. "If they tell the authorities we've got a war going on here and get the National Guard sent in�" "Trust me!" Galante interrupts. "I am prepared for that eventuality." "Yeah, sure," John frowns. "Just get the mall complex completely sealed off right now!" "Sir Zolel and his githyanki are in the security room doing that even as we speak," Galante replies. "I'm sending in the rest of our troops now to help you take care of the Ravens. Some of them will be bringing in their cars or trucks." "Good," John smiles. "We could use them. Carry on." Putting away his radio, he turns to start directing the siege of Lego Land. Around the mall, security gates start slamming down over the parking garage entrances and exits, and then over the mall entrance and exits also, after Galante sends in the remaining assembled losers and jerks. He remains outside himself, drawing a Satanic pentagram on the floor of the parking lot and readying a few demonic artifacts, preparing to enact his contingency plan just in case.

**THIS CONFLICT WILL BE CONTINUED NEXT TIME, END THIS RP AND THIS POST**
Doug - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Friday, October 20, 2000 02:20:30 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.111.dlls.grid.net

**RP HERE**

The screen comes on, displaying the crowded dining room of the Bey family's apartment. Fasil, Mary, Erin, Gubio, Terrell, Bessus, Michael Marter, Colonel Benji Amad, Queen Noor, and King Abdullah II of Jordan have just walked in and are seating themselves around the table. There is also a middle-aged Russian man who is handsome despite some really bad radiation burns all over his body, evident on his face and hands, and a muscular blonde woman in a black business suit and heavy makeup. Hassan, Patty, Mist, and Sarita stand in attendance near the door as does a miffed-looking Lloky, who after a moment of thought conjures up a chair for herself at the table and causes many eyebrows to be raised as she smiles and takes a seat. "Well, looks like we're all here," Fasil smiles, beginning the meeting. "I don't know everyone at this table, I'm afraid. I do think I recognize you, though," he says to the muscular blonde woman. "You're on TV, a news reporter?" "Andrea Grey," the woman introduces herself with a smile. "And yes, I am a reporter. But I am much more than that, as well." "So we guessed," Gubio says, his eyes looking right at the Illuminati pin on Andrea's lapel. She continues to smile, not missing the gaze. "And you're Ivan Uralyev," Erin says to the scarred man, who nods and smiles at being recognized. "The heroic Russian helicopter pilot who dumped sand on Chernobyl, saving millions of lives." "My reputation precedes me," Ivan chuckles. "Excellent." "You shouldn't be surprised," Erin grins back. "I've admired you ever since I heard about what you did. A pity what the radiation did to your body, though." "Yes," Ivan agrees with a sigh. "But it can not be helped. At least the pain is not too unbearable, and death draws closer every day." Everyone in the room except Ivan and Andrea frown at the obvious eagerness in Ivan's voice, Patty's eyes widening while Lloky stares at Ivan open-mouthed. "Okay, that's very morbid," Mary says with a grimace. "Um, let's change the subject." She looks at Noor and Abdullah. "You I was expecting, Queen Noor, but the King of Jordan himself I was not. Don't you have a country to run?" Abdullah II shrugs and laughs. "I'm on vacation, my responsibilities have been delegated to my ministers. I do that frequently, whenever I wish to go out among my people in disguise or when I need to conduct some Desert Knight business. I am doing the latter now, by helping all of you. I also have a personal stake in this. My father let the man who made his name a bad one, Saddam Hussein, live while he was alive, and still live now. I do not plan to repeat that mistake with a man who makes my name a bad one to have." There are many chuckles around the table at the joke, breaking the mood created by Ivan's earlier comment about death. "Well, it's an honor to have you here, Your Majesty," Fasil says. "Please, just Abdullah," the king replies, smiling. "This isn't my country, and I hope to make you all my friends." "It's still an honor to have you here, sir," Terrell says. "I was expecting you to bring more knights with you, though." "My stepson and I should be quite sufficient," Queen Noor smiles. "As well as all the knights here, and the ones in the elite special forces regiment that is currently being airlifted into a military base near Ankara for our use." "Something tells me I don't want to know how you accomplished that," Bessus raises an eyebrow at Abdullah II, who shrugs. "The President of Turkey owes me a few favors," he says. "I merely called account." "Good that you did," says Colonel Amad. "That regiment will make handy support. Ivan and I did a fly-over of our enemy's estate on the way here and gathered some intelligence. He has about three hundred soldiers there. They're not any more well-trained than the average terrorist, or any more heavily armed, but as we all know that can still be quite a lot to worry about." "Yes," Ivan agrees. "They're a bit more heavily armed than the average terrorist, actually. They have helicopters and tanks. But don't worry- Aussie and I can handle whatever threatens us from the sky." "And you'll have a dragon backing you," grins Lloky, causing the scarred man to frown. "We'll explain what she means in a minute," Michael smiles. "Um, did you happen to get any photographs of the estate?" "A complete satellite map, in fact," Andrea says, taking the map out and spreading it on the table. "I have another one here," Queen Noor says, reaching into her satchel. "Ours is probably better," Andrea waves her off with a smile, causing the dowager queen to frown. She then starts pointing to locations on the map. "This is the best way to sneak in, through this network of canyons. It's not heavily guarded due to its mazelike layout and unstable ground. Since we have a complete map, we can easily send a small strike force through it to enter the caverns below Abdullah bin Aziz's mansion here and work our way up into it. A spy within his operation has informed us that the caverns and mansion connect. We'll need a diversion, though." "My regiment can provide that easily," Abdullah II says. "Colonel Amad, you and I will take command of it. STRIKE's chopper and satellite-linked resources will support us from the air, and we'll attack the main checkpoint on the road leading into the estate here, then spread on to the training grounds and barracks." "How about two diversions?" Terrell suggests. "My caiveh and I can storm the drug production complex on the estate at the same time- set fire to the poppy fields, destroy the greenhouses, free those forced to work in them, so on. Lloky will be our air support." The dragon smiles at mention of her part. "Excellent plan," Abdullah agrees, and the others nod as well. "Guess that puts the rest of us in the small strike force attacking the mansion from within," says Gubio. "Right where we want to be," says Sarita. "Yes," agrees Fasil. "The ones of us who are going anyway." Several in the room frown. "I see some possible problems with this plan," Hassan says. "Diversions, divide and conquer, that's all well and good, but what about the stuff we don't know? Like that sorcerer who Abdullah has working for him. I see tank positions on this map, armored car patrol routes, base locations, but nothing about magical defenses." "Our satellites unfortunately can't detect those," sighs Andrea. "The Desert Knights' satellites can!" Noor replies with a grin, producing her own map and spreading it out, "thanks to our clerics' prayers to Allah. As you can see, there are hardly any magical defenses on the estate. Just a few warning spells, some contingency traps, a few minor enchantments on the guns�" "Those still can be very worrisome," Erin says. "We should get a wizard on our side to help counter them, just in case." "I know someone," Michael says, taking out his cell phone. "Let me see if he's available by giving him a call."

"You have done well, Harthoth my servant!" Apep is booming elsewhere, in the caverns beneath Abdullah bin Aziz's estate. "Very well indeed! In this body I am even more powerful than in my natural one! Having it created for me was sheer genius on your part." "You can think my human ally," Harthoth replies proudly, gesturing in the direction of Abdullah, who smiles and bows. Tariq and Tyl, still frowning, bow also. "And the wealth I accumulated over the years to pay him off," Harthoth adds. "Now, my lord, since you have this new body, what do you intend to do with it?" "First, I must become fully familiar with how to use every facet of it," Apep answers, flexing his metallic joints and letting out several practice blasts of breath weapons from his mouth as he speaks. "Then, once I feel I am ready, the destruction of a human city shall prove an effective demonstration of my new might. This time there shall be no stopping me, none! Have you informed my daughter yet of our success?" "We have just succeeded, my master," Harthoth reminds the dragon king. "I shall inform her immediately, though, I thank you for the reminder." "What about the Timedancer?" Apep growls, causing Abdullah and Tariq to frown while Tyl merely looks confused. "Is he going to stop us now?" "The book his mate gave me does not have anything about him showing up to meet and fight against us in this time, my lord," Harthoth replies. "I know that's no guarantee of course, but I'm pretty sure it won't happen, don't worry." As the Egyptian gargoyle speaks, his cell phone starts ringing and he takes it out with a frown, causing Apep to snarl. "Hello?" Harthoth asks. "Michael, this really is not a good time. No, I can't help you right now, I have an important commitment. What?" he gasps suddenly. "Who did you say you and your friends are planning to attack?" As Harthoth's eyes widen and Abdullah frowns as the Egyptian gargoyle turns toward him and then quickly looks away, the screen goes blank.

**END THIS VERY LONG BIT OF RP**

Hello everybody. Great to see you all, once again! :) Hope no one minds the length of this post, especially the RPs. If so, you have my word that I will do my best to never make them longer. Now that that's said, let's get on to the friendly stuff, shall we? <grins> It's good to see many of us are having improvements in our quality of life recently. Always good to have that happening. My life's going alright too- at work nearly all the guys who were bad have decided to shape up after apparently seeing the error of their ways. One of them is still a jerk to me some of the time, but it's not as bad as it was before, as if he's realized why I reported the bad things I saw him doing and that it was for his own good. <shrugs> If so, well, that's great. The really bad guy, Steven, still hasn't really shaped up- he called in sick the night he was supposed to get re-trained and screwed up the plans for that. Wonder if he found out about them, I certainly didn't tell him and the post in here came too late for him to have read it before calling in. Hmm- but at least we have the ability to give him fewer hours now as we've hired someone else to take his main post and cut him back to being the night floater. Hopefully we'll find a replacement for him in that position soon and can get rid of Steven entirely. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. School is going okay too, two weeks till the next round of midterms and I'm keeping up with the reading well enough. :) And as you can see by this post, still getting plenty of time to come in here and hang out. Will have a movie review of Bedazzled next time, I'm seeing it tomorrow. On to the usual reviews and the replies.

DPH: Yeah, invincible superheroes are not fun at all. Invincible supervillains are even worse in my opinion (pardon me, Lobo fans, but I hate the guy). That's why even if somebody was indestructable in my ficverse I always gave them a lot of emotional weaknesses. Superman doesn't even have those, it seems. Nor does Lobo. <sighs> We all love deus ex machinas, but not in great amounts. Hope that job interview on Monday went well, and you soon know the results.

Selanit: Good luck with those midterms, hope you did well on them. Also good luck with the translation, it sounds like you're working on some very interesting texts I'd like to read myself someday. The dragon one sounds especially cool. On that computer of yours, well, good luck with it. Sounds like you need it. Glad that it's finally in your dorm and set up, hope it keeps working well after all the hassle in getting it there. Also hope you soon have enough money to get your own TV. Glad to hear Kit, Gubio, and I weren't the only ones who enjoyed staying up all night last Saturday watching Gargoyles eps- didn't watch as much as you did, we had to work, but it was still a lot of fun. :)

Daphne: Hmm. Well, I really don't know what to say to solve your relationship problems, and Kit skipped over it for some reason. Hmm. <ignores Kit as she sings, "Fools give you reasons, wise men never try�" over his shoulder> Well, I'd say c if I had to answer your question, it's always a combination rather than just one of the choices. Most likely. What you should do in the situation I can't say, I've never been in one like it. But maybe you oughta find out how the guy feels about you, and I'd also recommend having a little girl talk with this other girl, trying to learn how she really feels about him without giving away your own feelings of course. Make sure he won't be miserable with her, as might happen. You never know. Good luck, whatever you do. I know you'll need it. :) Congrats on finishing the SAT IIs.

Mary: You're through with the SAT? Alright! <high five> Hope you did well on it, I had to take it twice myself before I did. Glad you have it over and done, congrats. Sorry you had to take it in such a foreboding place though, bet you're right about that school in many ways. I may use it as a model if I ever get back into writing and want to create a place that creates bad students and a climate of oppression and fear. I too am glad that your dad is more open-minded about Wicca, good to have at least one parent in your family who's on your side. :) Good luck getting the altar built in the backyard, and with your driving also, hope you are successful in both.

Robby: Good luck on those projects, hope you get them finished soon and do well. Looking forward to when you come back in here again. Also glad to see another Meteor Man fan. :)

Ghost: Good comments on guns and gun control, you're right on the money in many ways. My sympathies on your having to deal with that ghoul, I definitely agree that's what he was. <sighs> I too like waiting periods and am more miffed by background checks than in support of them, though they are a good thing. Due diligence is too. And so's responsible gun ownership, which also means using guns safely and keeping them locked up with the ammo in a separate locked box inside the safe for me and Kit too. Wish more people would realize this and take the appropriate action. :(

Katara: Happy Belated Birthday to your daughter, glad to hear she had a good one. Kit and I also liked Little Mermaid 2, particularly because of Clancy Brown. Good luck soon getting the hectic nature of your life eased up, I know how tiring it can be to have things that way. Stay cool, friend.

Spike: Happy Belated Birthday to you also. You should have told us about it, hopefully next time you will. I also hope you had a good time on the day. Glad that the teaching job went well on its first day, you're definitely capable of teaching such a class and doing it well I think. Keep up the good work, and hope your students make the grade. :)

Shadowrider: Relevant? <grins> I suppose that was one of LC's many good qualities, though I don't know if it would be the first adjective to describe him that comes to mind. Heh. Thanks again for the condolences. Will see you next leave, hope it's soon and you have a lot of fun and good times in the meantime and afterwards as well. :)

Gunjack: If only I could afford campaign contributions of the nature that make politicans listen�<sigh> Oh well.

Archwolf: Happy Belated Birthday, glad you had a good one. Thanks again for the data on Shadow Wolf, and for your answer to our replay e-mail. We'll definitely take what you said into consideration when we move forward with our plans for Shadow Wolf. That won't be for a while though, the battle in the Mall of America is gonna take a lot of posts. Congrats on getting more free time, hope that even more soon comes your way without cutting into the things you need to be doing. As for your wedding situation, well, I don't think I can give any better advice than Kit has already, but I can wish you good luck with it. So good luck, to you and to the hopefully happy couple. Personally, if I were in the situation, I'd say no and make her really angry, but insist on declining, then show up after all and shock the hell out of her. That would not make you have to admit you were wrong, but keep you from being thought of as a jerk in the end, I think. How you would explain yourself I better let you decide. <grin>

SOROW: Congrats on having things improve with your mom. I knew they would eventually, good to see my prayers answered. Make sure you thank your dad for the intervention if he was indeed responsible for making her calm down, back off, and be good to you once more. Hope the good climate at home continues for a while at least, and glad that you can enjoy things again. And congrats to your football team too on all the wins.

Emmabu: Sleep deprivation and DC? Don't worry, I can understand those problems. I've had to deal with them too. <grabs the latter problem and pummels him mercilessly, then ties him to the third rail on a nearby subway track and lets several trains run over him before mercifully cutting him loose and letting him stumble off bleeding severely and moaning in pain> Thanks for your encouragement on the job situation, I too hope Abel soon realizes that. Though the way things are in this city with such high demand for employees and such low supply of unemployed people who want to work and can do it well, he may have no other choice to do what he is doing. The Wal-Mart District Loss Prevention Supervisor, Don Eric, who pays our company's bills, expects quite a lot of us. But at least he's rewarding us for jobs well done too. Soon we may be patrolling the local Sam's as well as the Wal-Marts. Which would be a good thing, cause it means more money for the company and thus more money for the people with seniority and good job skills like yours truly. :) Thanks also for the latest bit of Ask Doug.

Stephen: Well, congrats on getting the job, even though it requires that unfortunate bus trip. It's good to have a job no matter what it entails. :) Congrats on getting things settled so you can get back to your writing too, hope to soon be reading the results.

Taleweaver: I liked that Egyptian site too, thanks for posting the link to it. Thanks also for your explanation of the titles of the latest Pendragon episodes. I'm sorry to hear that they were your last contribution to TGS though. I've enjoyed your work on it a lot, especially in Timedancer. Nobody can possibly write Harthoth better than you. I'm really sad to see you go. I do understand, though (and I kinda wish I knew what I was understanding). Glad to know you'll still be in the fandom and in here many times, will talk to you as often as I can at those. <grins> Also hope you will get back to writing again someday, friend. Many were entertained by your stories. Whatever happens, good luck with the fruits of all your endeavours. :)

End of Xena: Can't say I'm happy to hear this show's going away, I enjoyed many an episode of it. Can't say I'm sad either, as I hated many other episodes. <sighs> The memory of the cool Gabrielle, with the long hair and staff as opposed to the short hair, sai, and bitchy attitude she unfortunately developed in later episodes will forever be in my mind. As will the yell of Xena and the laughter of Callisto. Hope they give the show the good ending it deserves, and one that like the legend Xena was supposed to be will echo through the ages. <grin>

Winterwolf: Thanks very much for all the compliments and bits of encouragement. I hope I get the good times I deserve soon too. <crosses fingers> Glad your friends' wedding went well also, congrats to them and may they have many long years of lying, cheating, and stealing ahead. (You know what I mean, right? Read Stephen Sobotka's wedding Gargoyles fanfic if you don't, you'll like the reference. Or I can explain it, if you ask. <shrugs>)

**PENDRAGON SPOILERS**
Part 2 of ILR was good, very good. Some editing mistakes, and I too had to think about how Merlin was able to conclude that the person behind the Connection frame-up was somebody from Arthur's past but no one connected to Lancelot, but those were the only real downsides. Enjoyed the ways in which the plots of this season, both sub- and meta- were moved ahead in this ep, and the character arc developments as well. Particularly on Elaine, Jennifer, and Duval, who I like seeing as Lancelot now though I am a bit worried about the TGS Staff putting a few too many Halflings in the Arthurian legends. Is cool to have him as the Lady of the Lake's son though. Especially good writing in the confrontation between Duval and Arthur, which I enjoyed. Hope that more development on Duval is ahead also, especially a story of how he became leader of the Illuminati after giving up his hermit life. I'm sure it's ahead. Really liked the color and lines in the pic of Duval and Nimue, the other pic was also great- good to finally see exactly what Elaine and Norman look like. Good new pic in Part 1 too. Also nice writing in the scene of Jennifer confronting Arthur about Guinevere, the dialogue especially was great in that bit. I too hope she and him will grow closer together and have good luck in their relationship as events go on, particularly now that Arthur's gaining more respect for her as a capable woman. The other character whose development I really liked in this story was Norman- his quandaries and decisions in the plot were easily felt, followed, and understood even without much introspection, which took some very good writing to accomplish IMO. Also liked the Merlin-Mary developments, though they did seem to make up a little quickly. Looking forward to the future developments with their characters that I'm sure are on the way. Good dialogue with Braddock too, and nice developments on Powell and the Illuminati's inner conflict. Hope to see that explored more in the future. And I also liked the potential conflict shaping between Morgana and Sybil, can hardly wait to see where that goes. I too hope it's Mordred that she brought back, he could create the most interesting character developments in the most characters IMO. And the Pendragon series also needs a strong regular male villain to complement the strong female ones (Morgana, Sybil, and possibly Isfet), now that Madoc is gone and Duval's been revealed to just be an antagonist. Powell, Sefton, and Lucius don't really count IMO, though they could make good allies for Mordred if he shows up and does what I'd do with him. Looking forward to the development, whatever occurs. Hope we find out who our new villain is next week. Overall, 9/10 on this episode, and I hope the good work is kept up.
**THESE SPOILERS END, SO DOES PART 1**
Doug - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Friday, October 20, 2000 02:18:30 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.111.dlls.grid.net

You know what, it's annoying when you scrape out a bit of your knuckle with your other finger while stripping wires.

Sev. Jr.> <<they'd better throw in something like an hour or so of hardcore hentai tentacle anime as well>>: But would you make sure that the extra hentai is based off the same series? Because there is a lot of it going around.

SOROW> Congratulations.

Lynati> <>: Yeah, yeah, I was just using a stereotype. I think I would normally get some leeway with this, as I am also making fun of my brother.

Gunjack> <<how would you like to play a FPS as Kain from FF2?>>: Or Locke, Edgar, Sabin. I think it would be great if there was the complete set of Butz's jobs. But it would be very scary if anyone ever did Cara (especially that berzerker outfit).
<<the smoke reveals lasers>>: I remember a story of way back when in the history of computers. At one place, there was only one guy who could smoke in the computer room. It was the ventilation guy, who would light up a cigar to see the airflow.
<<"If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with". I think>>: For some reason I couldn't reparse about half of it (n't, with the, one, love, the one, have).
<<You don't lose a pint of fluids every twenty seconds>>: Well, that's what I was attempting to imply. Further proof I probably shouldn't be allowed near any jokes.
<<And what's the beverage?>>: Usually (diet (carffiene-free)) coke, (chocolate) milk, or water. At home, my father and I together average at least a two liter bottle a day, and that doesn't count what else I might get.
<<My parent's and I thank you>>: Now I just have to decide when (probably after the weekend), and which version. How do you feel about Prague? The orchestra, that is.
<>: First of all, I forgot to say reaction there. But KY, I think the term, is a personal lubricant.
<<By the way, the new mp3 ROCKS>>: Thank you. I do my best.

I think I'll end this here, started late and I've got an exam tomorrow. Shouldn't be too bad; this is basically the second time I've had the material.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, October 20, 2000 01:34:50 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

SJ- I know next to nothing about Manson's new album, but I bought tix for his show here in Atlanta on nov. 7th. Which he's suppose to be supporting the new lp..., I've read a few things, but I haven't HEARD anything, guess I won't know until the 7th of Nov... but I'll tell ya how it went!

BTW- Lords of Acid are great in concert! I recommend an album or 2!

XTC: The Real Deal-

What is it?
It's MDMA, it releases serotonin in the brain and causes euphoria from 6 to 8 hours. (That's an overdose, as with Xanax {perfectly legal drug}- you can experience euphoria with a subtancial amount {aka, boxcars}). Xtc actually helps you and ur brain, but when taken in large amounts (60-120 mg = "street pills"), MAY cause damage to ur brain, reconstructing thinking patterns. Xtc, when taken in this dosage, can cause suppressed memories to reoccur, wither gud or bad.

Benefits?
Feels DAMN gud! From 20-45 minutes after swallowing a pill you feel the effects. MDMA reaches it's peak after 90 or more minutes after swallowing. It's recommended that you drink small amounts of water during ur entire "roll", as deaths have been related to overheating. I was gonna say more, but I go too drunk to remember the point of this...

Bye 4 now! Luvz Ya!!!!!!
jackal
Friday, October 20, 2000 12:58:46 AM
IP: ac9abdcd.ipt.aol.com

***BEGIN RP***
SJ buried his face in his hands. "Ohhhhh......why did I know this was going to happen? Why did I know the other shoe was going to drop?"
Kari was fiddling with her dinner--which was largely untouched--in a very agitated way. "It's....it's not *that* bad. We can still make do."
"Kari--we are about to go one on one with aliens who are so powerful they could blow up this planet like it was a Firestone tire. We need everyone we can find to fight them. You...you were one of our best fighters..."
"I'm not as good as Black Tiger. Or Sammael. Or Jim. Or the demons--"
"Kari, don't sell yourself short. You're one of our best."
She scowled at him. "It's not like I planned this you know. I didn't *want* to lose my powers, especially not now."
He let out a long sigh. "I'm not blaming you. I'm just....frustrated. This is all just....just a bit disconcerting." He reached out to her and took her hand in his. He gave her a reassuring smile. "But it's okay. We'll get through this. After all, I plan on fighting the aliens, and I sure don't have any nifty super powers. Except my boyish good looks."
She gave him a nervous smile, and choked back a giggle.
He grinned wolfishly at her. "And my pure animal magnetism. Or my wonderful, inescapable, unparalleled charm with the opposite sex."
She began to laugh, and felt some of her tension leave her.
Suddenly, SJ curled up his nose. "Is that smoke I smell?"

From the other side of the plant, Belzelk took in a deep breath, and sneezed loudly. "That IS smoke. But what the--"
"Uh oh," Nelgault was saying. "We've got a problem."
Belzelk gritted his teeth. "I'm gonna have to hurt one of you, aren't I?"
"I think Angol just set the table on fire."
"Oh yes, I AM going to have to hurt one of you."
****END RP FOR NOW***

Two posts in as many days! The streak continues!

First off, I'd like to say: Good God, Paul Nathans is back

***MORE POLITICAL STUFF***
Because I suppose I am a masochist. The more I want to get away from politics, the more I get sucked in. I swear, it's like a huge vacuum that is sucking away at my soul. Sucking away at something, anyway. But I HAD to comment on these two items.

To be fair, both items are partisan. One's anti-'pub, the other anti-'crat.

Momma's Boy: This is just painful for me to even mention....but apparently Barbara Bush has been going around these last couple days bashing Gore for approaching Bush during the debate on Tuesday. Now, like I said last night, I liked that. I thought Gore was gonna mix it up with Dubya. And apparently so did Momma Bush, because she felt Gore was being a bit of a bully to her boy.
I think all of us guys in here....and we're all just the prime examples of muchismo, I know ;)...but I think us guys can agree that it's most definitely *not* cool to have our MOMS stick up for us. It's always an embarassing, awkward moment. Just makes us get even more ridicule. This guy could be the president of the United States, the leader of the free world. Should his mom really be out there fighting his battles for him?
But, on the other hand, I really think Barbara could lay the smackdown on Gore. Gore's a big boy, but Babs is a beast! The only woman who might overcome her in manliness is Janet Reno. Now THAT would be a deathmatch! Babs Bush vs. Janet Reno!

But on the Democratic side of things, an equally ridiculous news item. Rolling Stone magazine is now denying the rumor that they had to airbrush a recent cover photo of Al Gore. The editor of the magazine, who is solidly pro-Gore, said that the rumor that they had airbrush the photos is totally false. If you haven't heard the rumor, it was that....well, basically they had to airbrush Al Gore's crotch in the photos because, "allegedly", he had a raging.....that is to say, he had an erect........must remember PG rating of CR.....well, Big Al was prominently displaying Lil' Al. He was turgid (look it up, it's a real word. The power of an increased vocabulary!).
Now this is just pure propaganda. Dear God, now you know Al Gore did not pose for Rolling Stone magazine sporting a woody. Utterly ridiculous.
However, if this *was* true, than one could make all sorts of sordid jokes comparing Al with his buddy Bill.....and believe me, there are certain individuals who would love to do so *ahemahemmeahemahem*.

Spacebabie: I think that the reason they got on Lazio was because he appeared to be almost threatening the First Lady. Now, I have no great love for Ms. Clinton, but Lazio came across very badly. Now, some people have criticized Gore for his actions Tuesday, claiming he was trying to "intimidate" Bush, but ultimately, they're both men, and it's all posturing. Lazio, for some reason, just came across as...I don't know, scary.
Unfortunately, he's probably gonna lose. I miss Guilianni, I really do. Now *that* would be a senate race worth watching.
***END POLITICAL STUFF***

Boy Wizard vs. Boy Hobbit: Yes, word out now is that everyone's favorite boy wizard, Harold Potter, will go one on one with everyone's favorite furry-footed boy hobbit, Frodo Baggins. The big screen version of "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" will come out in the last quarter of next year, in time for the holiday season....and so will the first of the LOTR trilogy, "Fellowship of the Rings". So, genre fans, you will have to make a choice--who will reign supreme, the darling of wizards everywhere, or a little guy with furry feet and a magical ring? Personally, I'll probably watch both films, but Pete Jackson and the Hobbits get my money first. I've waited a loooong time for those movies, and I won't be able to bear the suspense anymore!
Now don't get me wrong. I must admitt that I have actually read all of the Harry Potter books. And despite my wanting to hate this insufferable pop culture phenomena, I must say that I did enjoy them. They're fun reading. Rowling is pretty talented, I must say. Nowhere near as good as Xenogears, of course, but talented none the less.

Fire Storm: I heard on a web site (how's that for reliability?) that Escaflowne was cancelled. I know that it was only a Digithon last week, and my hope is that the only reason they showed the Digithon was to give a shot in the arm to the Digimon movie, which ain't doing to well at the box office...but I still get wary. I hope that the show has not been cancelled, that they will air all of the remaining episodes, but I've been burned before, so I'm leery.
Oh, and your blood tastes like turkey?!?! That's odd. Mine tastes suspiciously like Little Debbie snack cakes. I think my sugar intake is a little too high.

Jackal: I agree with you about Chris Hall. He's a good looking guy and all. All I know is, if I looked like him, I probably wouldn't be singing songs about how tortured my love life is.
BTW, have you heard anything about Manson's next album? I scanned something about it in a magazine at the newsstand the other day, and it sounds promising. I think it comes out in December.

Minbari women: I've had some rather suspicious and naughty thoughts about Minbari women (see, this is what happens to us guys who aren't as good looking as Chris Hall from Stabbing Westward. We have too much time on our hands, time which could be spent dating women [and, according to Chris at least, having them rip our tender hearts out], but instead is spent in contemplation of the sexual prowess of fictional alien women). Anyway, I've always thought that the Minbari women are sort of like those other bald-headed women from Star Trek: The Motionless Picture. You know, that alien babe who was played by the late, great Persis Khembatta? It must be the bald head.
You know, I may be onto something here. Bald-headed alien women seem to have high sex appeal. Yeah.....another example--Zhaan, from Farscape. Bald head--strong sex appeal. I may have stumbled across some sort of unwritten rule of science fiction: Bald chicks are hot. Or something like that.

So, with that little gem of wisdom, I bid you ado!

"Made by Squaresoft"---XENOGEARS
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:08:24 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Selanit> Ok here's the breakdown. The hourlong episode you saw, was the last one in the first series, Tenchi Muyo! Yes, it leaves a lot of things open and doesn't come near answer half the issues it brings up like what are lighthawk wings and why they are such hot stuff. The episode that you probably saw today was the first of Tenchi Universe. While it does a better job of sewing up all the loose threads, much of the story wanders. One thing that annoyed me were the separate flashbacks between Ryoko and Aeaka. The girls have enough antagonism just fighting over Tenchi, there was no need to bring in this history. Many more exciting points later in the series get pushed to a rushed ending. will you be confused? Yes. And I don't think it's because of the American editing. I've got the sneaking suspicion that this is the difference between American and Japanese storytelling. A number of series and games seem to have this unfinished feel to them. It ends, but yet doesn't resolve. I got that vibe from Final Fantasy, Tenchi, NGE, Robot Carnival, and a number anime movies the Sci-Fi channel used to put on. So if you feel out of sorts watching anime, don't worry. It's normal.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:59:48 PM
IP: sfr-tgn-sfp-vty71.as.wcom.net

DPH:
Aww, somebody misses me; I feel all warm and squishy. :) BTW, I'm sorry I never responded to your email, but I've been a bit...distracted lately. We'll have to discuss it some other time.
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Fire Storm:
My God man, what happened to you? I've been a bit out of the loop...
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I'm so ludicrously behind around here that I won't even attempt to catch up. Please accept my apologies if it appears that I'm ignoring anyone--I'm not trying to, really! I did see some comments about the situation with my mother, and I appreciate the sentiments enormously. Thank you.

Now for an update: my mother is out of the hospital and in a nursing home right now. It's probably where she will be staying from now on. It's a very nice place only about 10 minutes away. She wasn't too happy at first--she wanted to go home--but now she seems to be accepting that this is a permanent change. They have lots of activities to keep her busy and interacting with people; far more activity than she was getting at home. I cannot even begin to describe my feelings of relief and peace of mind. Peace of mind because she is safe and well cared for; relief because for the last three years or so I have had no life to speak of outside of work and perhaps the Internet. At first I felt guilty about feeling relieved, but now (with the constant reminders of my family) I realize that this is the best thing for *her* as well as me. Now I can go on with my life knowing that I did everything humanly possible to care for her up until now. I admit that I feel some pride (and surprise) when people tell me that they are amazed I did so much for so long. More than one social worker has told me that they rarely see a son caring for and elderly parent this way; it's usually a daughter or other female family member. I found that a bit shocking since I couldn't imagine *not* doing what I did. She's my mother after all. It never occurred to me to do anything else.

Long term care in this country is ridiculously expensive. Where my mother is right now the cost is $155 per day. PER DAY. That's just over $56,000 per year. The amazing thing is that she can actually afford it for several years to come. My father really made sure she would be financially secure after his death.

On to lighter subjects! :) I just got a new 15" LCD monitor--this thing is sweet! I'm never going back to a CRT again. ;) The picture is absolutely gorgeous. No flicker. No fuzziness. Pure digital interface. The perfect companion for my G4. The other thing I've been playing with is Mac OS X Public Beta. This thing simply does not crash. At least I haven't gotten it to do so yet. If a beta version is this stable, I can't wait for the finished product. Of course, it really isn't the Mac OS at all: it's UNIX with a Mac-like front end, but they've done an incredible job of hiding that fact. But, the cool thing is that you're able to access the command line if you want to. It comes with a complete BSD UNIX installation. Most UNIX software will compile without modification on OS X. I just downloaded and compiled bash and bzip2 since they didn't come with it. Mac ease of use and UNIX power. I'm in heaven. :)

That's enough for now. At least you know I'm still alive. :P 'Nite.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:54:09 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-70-231.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Lynati- Thanks, and yes I have read some of that *LOL*. There is also a list of funny mistakes actual kids put in their essays...oh man..that cracks me up every time!
Lexy
Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:33:54 PM
IP: ac9e859a.ipt.aol.com

Just had to say this...

SJ: Escaflowne is NOT canceled! It was just a single Digithon. Escaflowne, Beast Machines, and all the other QUALITY shows will be on Saturday.
Fire Storm
Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:32:47 PM
IP: 05-200.008.popsite.net

Hey all! How are you?

Well, as of today I have 2 fewer teeth. So right now my mouth hurts, I can't talk, I taste turkey all the time (My blood. Don't ask), AND I can't eat!

Oh, and besides that, I keep getting these chest wrenching pains in my chest that stops my breathing and pretty much makes me clench my chest in MASSIVE pain.

So... How is everyone's week? :)

Real post later. I am too tired to think.

Oh yeah... and I have to go to work tomorrow. Happy Happy, Joy Joy!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:16:41 PM
IP: 05-200.008.popsite.net

Tenchi Question> Okay, I am a bit puzzled. Yesterday the episode was an hour long, and Ayeka and Sasami's parents showed up with a honking big ship and Tenchi had to fight a duel with Ayeka's appointed fiance. He won, and the parental units went back to Jurai. Things were heating up nicely, but the series was far from over. It was the Tenchi Muyo series.

Then, today, I tuned in late and discovered that today they wre playing episode TWO of the Tenchi Universe series. It took me a while to figure that out. What the heck is going on? Shouldn't they FINISH one series before switching to another?? Can anyone shed light on this mystery? I really would like to get all the way through one whole series of the Tenchi shows. I saw most of the last half of Tenchi in Tokyo, and that was cool. I saw part of the first half of Tenchi Muyo, and that was cool too. Now they're in Tenchi Universe, and I'm having trouble keeping things straight.

I'm watching Batman as I write. I LOVE my new comp, now that it's finally here. I put in my tv card, and with my 17" monitor I have sufficient resolution to run a web browser and a tv window simultaneously. The TV window is a little small, obviously, but sufficient.

I do get Toon Disney, but it's WAAAAYYYY up on channel 99 and the picture is just incredibly fuzzy. The sound isn't too great, either. Pity.

Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 09:53:23 PM
IP: smit18-103-dhcp.resnet.colorado.edu

brief bit of stuff....

I thought that "Spike" was C.S.Hayden, and Christine was another writer altogether.
me Confused!!

something else:

http://www.satirewire.com/news/0010/international.shtml

'later.

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 09:40:58 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

***Attention***

Since a number of people have been asking certain questions:

YES, there will be another season of the main Gargoyles Cycle.

NO, I don't have a definite date for its premiere, partially because I don't currently have all the stories in from the writers yet (real life and school tend to interfere in full-time gargs writing). We're currently shooting for sometime in the next month, but don't hold us to that.

YES, there will be more seasons of the other cycles.

Kyryn, TGS Head of Edits, Season 3

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, October 19, 2000 07:34:34 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

*Lynati Enters*

Warpmind: Hung Fut. There is currently only one school of this system in the US. Our Sifu is the actual
grandmaster of this entire system. (We feel special...)

*Lynati reads Christine's post, starts shrieking maniacally.*
THERE"S A NEW CALLAHAN BOOK OUT???!!! WA-HOOO!
...and "Chicks and chained males" is out in paperback now, too? 'bout time...

Kyryn: None taken! :) It was more or less what I thought, but I wanted to be sure. Thanks for clearing that up.
(I had just been wondering, because I heard someone say that the reason there are only new Pendragon episodes
right now is because there were fewer people writing this season.)

hmmm....fanfic archive, eh? anybody want to give me a boot in the best direction?

*Lynati hurries off to spend time at her favorite "library" ...Barnes and Noble.*
Lynati
Thursday, October 19, 2000 06:59:30 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

*Archwolf rumbles in*
Hey all. Tried to post earlier, but yesterday was my 22nd BDay, and a bunch of us went celebrating lastnight. In all the excitement, i forgot to post.

*Reads the 'Youkoned Bea' line and colapses on the floor, shaking* ARGH! MENTAL TRAUMA!

*Stops shaking and stands up.* Anyway.

I have a couple questions I needed to ask about garg life. Is it establised what the max lifespan of a garg is? 200? How many mating cycles does the gargoyle go through in a normal life span (I know it was posted, but i can't remember what was said)? The 10 years it takes for an egg to hatch, is that 10 years from conception or from laying (which would add almost another year, right?)? Lessee...I know in TGS, twin eggs can happen, but about how often would it be? About as often as human twins?
Why am I asking? 'Cause I have too much time on my hands.

Christine> Your advice goes well with my best friend's: "Goto the weddnig, Enjoy the reception, then find a whiskey bottle and crawl into it." Perhaps it is not the best advice, but it is very appealing.

Well, gotta run
Shade and Sweet Water.
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 06:58:58 PM
IP: viking202-88.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Will there ever be more of the Gargoyles saga, or is that saga done?
Spore-chan - [belleria@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 06:36:48 PM
IP: lsanca1-ar8-186-032.dsl.gtei.net

Hi all, today is a wonderful day the temp is great and the fall colors are breath taking.

winterwolf>>thanks for the welcome back

christine>> do you suppose that those writer's blocks might have helped build the wall of china.....

catch you all next time
delphi - [delphii16@netscape.net]
twin falls, idaho
Thursday, October 19, 2000 06:34:33 PM
IP: twin58ii.magiclink.com

Greetings all...

LAST WARNING! <grins> Calling all Florida Fans... if you happen to be in the Tampa Area, or are looking for something to do this weekend, I'll be at NecronomiCon 2000 Starting this Friday, the 20th!

I'll be there to promote Wintersmith Dreams magazine, as well as Artwork by our own Spike and Christine Morgan's newest book. I'll have flyers for the new book "Dark of Elvenwood", prints for sale from Spike and some calandars and copies of the latest WD Magazine. I don't have many, but I'm hoping that some of the fandom can show up, at least ot meet and have fun!

Look foreward to seeing some of you there, I hope! :)

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, October 19, 2000 06:31:40 PM
IP: 24129160hfc185.tampabay.rr.com

One note on spelling - it should be "Morgana" rather than "Morganna". There's only one "n" in the name.

And Morgana's daughter was named Morfydd.

(And, yes, Morgana's spell-scene in "Iris Lily and Rose Part Two" was probably influenced by Wolfram & Hart's bringing Darla back - in terms of the actual atmosphere - although it was a part of our overall Season Three Pendragon plan before "Angel" even came out).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, October 19, 2000 06:24:15 PM
IP: 216.87.46.45.dialup-stl.primary.net

**DC gets hit by a thunderbolt attack and is reduced to ashes before DPH enters the room.**

missing: 1 Daniel Johnson.

**RP RELATED**
brooklyn, I did not see a post in egroups. make sure to clear your immediate plans with Winterwolf.

ok, no takers on 12 cybercookies. I will make it easier. What is similiar to meaning "Shift out of Turtle" and think kids tv shows that should be canceled.
**END RP RELATED**

"Poly ticks" accurately describes the political situation in America. I think we need a 3rd party of moderates since Moderates can vote without choosing between evils.

NO BFTS RP from me today due to a short post.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, October 19, 2000 06:22:46 PM
IP: max1-63.cwy.cei.net

What's this? People are still going on about that pun? LOL, oh dear! Hey, Spider's written plenty that were a lot worse than mine! Then again, that's his job and his livelihood (new Callahan's book just came out in hardback, HUZZAH! And a new Chicks in Chainmail paperback, too! Whoopee!) Of course, I still get the occasional letter wanting to know the rest of the dirty joke Beth told in Love Machine ; ) It's so good to be bad!

Keyboard is acting real peculiar; better quit while I can!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 05:21:52 PM
IP: 15-140.009.popsite.net

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JAI BROOKSHIRE
Thursday, October 19, 2000 05:18:29 PM
IP: b102-26.clhn.splitrock.net

Well the group assignment is done now all I hav looming ahead is the artwork for my cell animation class.

POLITICAL: I have a question. How come when Lazioa approahced "Her Highness" The media and a lot of people bitched, but when Gore aprroached Dubbya, nothing was said?

~~~~~~~~~BEGIN SPOILERS FO PENDRAGON BUFFY AND ANGEL~~~~~~~~

PENDRAGON. Excellent ending I like the developments on Mary and the way how Jeniifer changed her view on the situation.
Duval as Lancelot. Interesting, the fact that is a hfling is even more interesting. and the ending...Whoa

Todd one question was the ending of Morganna raising something inspired by Wolfram and Har'ts resurection of Darla?

Buffy: Good to see Buffy and willow in college again. Like the developments on Riley and his realization that buffy does love him.
Cool scene with Dawn and Joyce. I was wondering if Dawn was about to pull out a floating ball with Miss Kitty's face on it. not enough of Xander, but last week made up for it.
Harmony was hilarious and cool on the bit of the penny instead of the chip. and that ending! I wonder if Spike really does have a crush on Buffy.

Angel, Very kewl with what the did with bethany.Cordelia's development is getting better. Last season she was afraid Wesley's pay will take money from her, now she is insisting on paying Gunn. Lilah is a welcome site. and I like the idea of the big picture. Darla in Angels' room= verrry creepy. Next week looks cool and I heard a neat rumorur that Drusilla will be in it
END SPOILERS

Jannie>>>You met Anthony Stewart Head? That is soooo cool!
Spacebabie
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, October 19, 2000 05:13:41 PM
IP: user-37kap2h.dialup.mindspring.com

Oh, yes, I forgot something.
Kitania, I looked at your Post before I made my first new one in a while... I was looking through the Comment Room for anything by you and Doug, thus your initial Post was the only one I looked at.
It seems you placed your money on the same three people I made guesses on as to holding 'bone identity'.
Its not 'Morfyn', though, its 'Morfryn'.

Paul

"Life and death... Love and hate... They're all the same..."-Lynx
CHRONO CROSS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 04:54:40 PM
IP: 138.morristown-01-02rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Well, I have a new appreciation for teachers now... just finished teaching my first class of 3rd grade art at my son's school. *laughs* Some kids did really well, some were clueless, but I think they liked it. Here's hoping I get a new generation of artist a well-rounded start!
Spike
Thursday, October 19, 2000 04:21:06 PM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-235.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Guess who's back? 
*Hears everyone groan.* 
I had wanted to get back in here since PENDRAGON started up again, but had and still have lots of DARK AGES/TIMEDANCER Episodes left to read - I phased out of interest in the series for DARK AGES' second Season and that somehow managed to extend to TIMEDANCER for that 'year cycle', although I may not know/remember why, possibly. 
I'm in again, early, to point out a storyline error in the latest PENDRAGON Episode. 
***PENDRAGON Spoilers*** 
Near the end, someone says something like 'thanks to Duval, we now know that the person responsible for framing Arthur is someone familiar to us.'. Err, where did Duval mention this? 
I saw a possibility as to how it might've been mentioned... Duval saying anyone close to Arthur would be excluded from Illuminati matters and then saying that the 'framing situation' was outside his jurisdiction (or was that the Illuminati's jurisdiction) but I'm not sure if that was what prompted the later response or not. 
So what's what and/or what gives? 
***End PENDRAGON Spoilers*** 
 
Doug and Kitania: Its been a while. How are the both of you? :) How's your relationship going? :) 
Have either of you seen the anime series NEON GENESIS EVANGELION? [If you've seen any of the movies please do not spoil them, as I have yet to see them.]
Have either of you played CHRONO CROSS yet?
 
General Comment: 
Now that I've read Shakespeare I have to say that I do not think his stories are anything big, and certainly nothing even close to XENOGEARS' level. Shakespeare's stories have rather shallow characterization and the philosophy is not too swift. 
 
Paul 
(Or should I start signing my name as 'Shinji Ikari' here, too?) 
 
"Life and death... Love and hate... They're all the same..."-Lynx 
CHRONO CROSS
Paul Allen Nathans - [LacanPanother@worldnet.att.net]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 04:03:42 PM
IP: 223.morristown-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

****Kyryn staggers in.****

Good stuff> Had fun at the Texas State Fair yesterday. Ran into Shaun Schimmel(sp?), the guy who voices Goku for DBZ (I actually met him at A-kon last year and he recognized me in the crowd). Man the guy is permanently hyper! I went with my husband and a couple of friends and we had a great time at the fair. The coolest thing was the Birds of the World show - got buzzed by the Eagle Owl and got to watch an African Fish Eagle just miss taking out one of those pesky grackles (she was sweeping down from the top of the Ferris Wheel, spotted a grackle near her line of flight, made a grab, missed, and continued her glide around the stage and then down to her landing spot).

Bad stuff> I had to go to the dentist today because a tooth started to hurt. Turns out that I'm going to have to have a crown and possibly a root canal (hoping not!). Bleah!

Lynati> TGS occasionally holds open calls to join staff. We will post in this room when we do and who to contact if you are interested. No offense, but please be aware that any TGS story ideas posted in this room are automatically disqualified from the ongoing storylines since we don't take any ideas except those that are developed by current staff. However, if you want to write your own stories, or hand the ideas to someone else to write, the fanfic archive is always open. The same goes for any art illustrations for the stories themselves. If you make your own illustrations, you are welcome to put them up somewhere and post in the room that you have done so, but the only illos used in the actual stories are those that current or former staff have made, and those go through a selection and approval process before the fans ever see the final product. At some point, when we have more time and people free, we may put up a section where non-staff art of the stories can be posted for appreciation, but that idea is on hold right now while the pages are getting revamped and current storylines are getting finished.

Later All!

***Kyryn staggers out***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, October 19, 2000 03:22:05 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

*Warpmind enters, clad in the Team Rocket uniform.*
I bought the CD, and now I'm affected. By the way, the Team Rocket track on the CD (titled Double Trouble) makes me kinda suspicious... when Jessie sings about "Team Rocket'S Rocket", there's *something* in her voice that tells me she's read too many lemons... :| I have NO idea what it is, but there's *something*...

Revel: Um... you didn't get the joke, did you? (Hint: Andariel really messed the monastery I mentioned up...)

Gside: You still haven't figured out the Yukoned Bea pun? I know at least a dozen people who envy you, amigo... Oh, and about proving the ether wasn't there... just because they didn't find it it doesn't mean it isn't there - it just means they didn't find it. Thus, it's logically impossible to prove that something does not exist at all. As for my piece of citrine (no, not the Morganverse Avalonian), forget it - I'll want a bargaining tool. ;)

SJ: I have an RP idea, but I'll need to get a few things clarified first. Check your e-mail.

Christine: Hey, sign me up for Elves in Black at G2001, will ya? :) Just recalled that had to be given notice of now, and I'm not sure if I can whip up a decent CoC investigation by that time, anyway. :| (And if I do, and I decide I can run it at the Gathering, well, there'll be time for it later, I guess... there should be a lot of time, no?)

Lynati: So, you practice Kung Fu, too? Say, which style do you focus on? Any of the animal styles (monkey, tiger, etc.) or Jackie Chan's style, known as "Hurricane"? (It, or rather, he, is called "Hurricane" because you don't see exactly what is going on, but there's a lot of loose objects flying around...) :)

Gunjack Valentine: That Screamer model you describe... GURPS stuff, perchance? (Never even opened any GURPS books, actually... only SJ Games' book I've got is Murphy's Rules.) But seriously, yeah, you got the difference there. And when you think about it, isn't the Oscillator a bit more cruel? One thing is being shredded alive, but being reduced to a boneless heap, still living afterwards? *owch* Oh, and the knife... I *really* doubt it's the logo you think of - I'm guessing Chinese steel (and yes, plain edge) or something akin to it. (I wouldn't be surprised if it's made in Taiwan or something...) Oh, I like your cane sword idea, too... ]:) As for my magical experiments... half the time I'm done for? Not likely - unlike the cannon fodder I surround myself with, I've learned a few tricks to redirect attention away from me. ]:) (Oh, and Wilek's KY joke - you said trying to *hump* that cannon...)

Rodlox: Delenn is mostly Minbari - her ancestor 1,000 years ago was human, however (well, sorta...), so her DNA isn't pure Minbari. Then again, neither is most of the Minbari population's...

**RP**
Warpmind pales at the news of Kari having lost her powers. Ditching the sack of weapons on the table (accidentally tipping most of what was already on it), he starts marching toward the nearest door.
"Sorry, gang, I gotta go... a failed Avatar... I know there's something in the family library on it. See you as soon as I find something..."
Passing through an energy doorway, he vanishes into a small, unknown sector of the realms of the departed (leased from Heaven, the contract dating to about 1264 AD) to seek answers.
**RP END**
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, October 19, 2000 02:45:10 PM
IP: mp-217-174-233.daxnet.no

Kit: yes, please email me.

Warpmind: <<Welcome back, you old, hideous monster-type creature, you.>>

greetings and I expactorate in your gen-er-al di-rection...in a friendly sort of way that is. :)

<< :) (What species are you again? Grendelm,>>

Grendel. {though one of my alter-egos is a Na'ka'leen, and another is a Kothoga {from Relic book/film}.

<<wasn't it?) And how dare you suggest that I've *ever* been sane?>>

*sighs, mutters* "i really hate that man" -JP1...{i'm going to get the trio of Jurassic Park movies soooon}.

<<Hah! At least I'm getting to the Gathering 2001, SO THERE!>>

oh yeah: difinitive proof.

<< ];) As for Na'ka'leen being cute... *shudder* the only good Na'ka'leen is a dead Na'ka'leen...>>

given that when they're about to strike, they're utterly silent, how could you tell? *eg*

<<Gimme a cute little Minbari chick anytime. ;) >>

ahh, but IS Delenn technically Minbari -- or is she Unique??

<<food court of the MOA>>?? there's a food court in a large flightless cousin of hte Kiwi?

:)

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail .com]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 07:39:06 AM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

Kitainia > Re: BTW, your name is Lisa Terwilliger? >> Nope... my stepfather and his 3 sons have the last name Terwilliger. My last name is in my email addy... "Ellis". I don't think I will ever change my last name (even when I get married), especially since I am working my way up into the entertainment industry as a computer animator/SFX and/or producer.

*exits stage left*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Thursday, October 19, 2000 06:30:15 AM
IP: proxy2b.lmco.com

Hit submit too soon, but what the heck; it's 1:30, and I'm going to bed.
Gunjack Valentine
Thursday, October 19, 2000 02:34:10 AM
IP: 209-223-253-92.ausa.net

Wilek><<Why does nobody like this movie? ;P>> I actually liked it... I thought Ripley made a great psycho! <<I've always considered it nothing other than an offshoot of science; merely the manipulation of energies no more supernatural than magnetism or electricity.>> Which is why it's practice requires virgins, rune-covered alters, and bat entrails... ;) <<Me too...probably cybernetic implants, a psionic resonator, maybe a Galbadian Paratrooper-style techsuit...>> I'll stick w/ a monocrys Armani, a .32 sleeve pistol, and a mix of knives and garrotes. If it's big enough that the .32 won't work, it's time to use explosives. <<<reverse engineers it into a capital-scale weapon>>> You're a munchkin, ain'tcha? <<Well, the Constitution explicitly state that the laws only apply to humans (not sure if it affects weapons registration), and I'm not sure the mutates would count as human (although they were born human, so they might).>> Hopefully, "human" would be interpreted as "rational animal" rather than "homo sapien"... <<Apparently Zeus was a member of Led Zeppelin.>> I see nothing, I know nothing...! <<<blink> OK...>> You think that's weird, you shoulda seen what I dreamed LAST night... :P Every once in a while, for a week or so, I have WAY more fun asleep than I do awake. <<<applauds> It's a rare pleasure to hear of someone else who's quite so sexually liberated (by which I mean liberated from sex).>> I'm not, but I thought I'd pass the quote on just the same... By thye way, have you read P.J. O'rourke's "Bachelor's Home Companion"? <<Oh yes...another favorite of mine is the Lunatic Pandora theme.>> Never heard it... I'll have to look it up! :) Thanks!
<<From an armored pursuit skycraft. We got the gunner good and drunk before we started. You should see the side of the mountain.>> Congratulations; you know have my endorsement for grand ruler of reality. :D <<You could always try some KY. (That was wrong, and I apologize.)>> ??? <<No, and from what I've heard, I think I'm fortunate. ;)>> I kinda liked it; it had a REAL kooky kind of humor... I recomend it, if you've got nothing better to watch... <<Hm. Better put away the lightsabers, then.>> On the other hand, lightsabers don't have edges OR points... so they should be perfectly safe! ;) <<The car?>> That's what he said. <<That would actually be a good first line for a song...>> And the third verse could be "It's a Raymond Chandler evening"... Now all we need is an afternoon and a tune! :D
<<>> I wish I could do that; I have the greatest ideas for Quake 3 models (including, yes, a gargoyle model)...>> Why don't you? It's not that hard to learn... I can't start on weapons or player models until next week, as the guy I have to register my software with is on vacation. :P On the bright side, I had the coolest brainstorm EVER at about 12:30 last night... Wilek, how would you like to play a FPS as Kain from FF2? Or as Edge, or Cid, or Rydia?
<> Better than ANYTHING! Never get in the way of a hyped-up ferret. <<Xenomorphs aren't really aquatic animals; probably they had trouble moving underwater just like a human would (albeit not as much, given their strength and what not).>> I donno... Those suckers were moving like eels. They swam about as well as fish...

David G.><<He sets a cup (groin protector, not drinking vessel) next to Valentine's desk.>> Heh. ;) Thanks, 'mano! <<Using mental telepathy to gauge the room's mood, he quickly reaches the conclusion that it would be a bad idea.>> Aawww, C'mon! :( What's up with that? I, at least, want to hear whatcha got to say... <<By the time I could explain it all, you would have lost interest.>> Not bloody likely... <<Let's just say that recent events have reminded me of certain problems that I usually force out of my mind, and I felt the need to share the gloom.>> That sounds very, VERY familiar... And one of my best friends is getting hit that way too... *shrugs* 'Tis the season... :P

Kit><<On a sadder note, I recently got a test back with a 72 and a note that said "Read the texts.">> Piker... I suggest a lateral incision just below the navel, followed by a punck to the sternum. ;P j/k Maybe you can complain to a higher authority... <<Just about the only cool thing, in fact.>> If you can flick well, they make great distractions at the begginning of a gunfight, and the smoke reveals lasers and gives ambience to back rooms that would otherwise be... simply back rooms. Plus, you never know when you may need to set something on fire...:) And no, I don't smoke. :)>>

Warpmind><<I'd like to explain that difference to you, if you specify what kind of Screamer you refer to... :)>> Screamer: a TL9 weapon that uses concentrated sound waves to liquify flesh and tear it from bone. It sounds like the SOsc bypasses the skin and attacks bones directly. Neither are very nice weapons...:P <<As for the knife... I don't really think there's any particular label on it (except for that nice-looking Bald Eagle on the sideplate)>> Um, if it's the logo I'm thinking of, that's not a bad knife... Probably 420 stainless(not bad), or maybe 440C(pretty dang good). Is the blade serrated? Plain edges are easier to sharpen... <<Oh, and if you make your own cane sword, could you fix one for me, too?>> If I ever get around to it, sure! <<With a nice, straight handle with a knob at the end? (Let's face it, the rounded handles are NOT practical for swordfights...)>> My design emphasises use as a sword over use as a cane, so the handle is gonna be sweet for dueling. It even has a broken-ring gaurd... <> Sooo... Half the time it'll be YOU that will be forced to endure the unending agony of the damned... Nope, I'm sticking with mercenary work. Sounds less painful.

Gside><<Heck, I still haven't gotten the Youkoned Bea pun.>> Maybe it's because that was the most complicated pun EVER WRITTEN... *blows a raspberry at Christine* Short awnser: "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with".
I think.
<<Same way I do, giant cup and an endless source of beverage. Though it must be rather hard to keep stocked on HF.>> You don't lose a pint of fluids every twenty seconds. And what's the beverage? <> I'd agree with them, if for no other reason that transmutation would fall into the indisputable proof category... *shrugs* <<Well, I am planning on posting it rather soon.>> My parent's and I thank you. That song is a SERIOUS familly favorite... <<Or pixie sticks.>> Or, God forbid... BOTH.
<<But is he still of the female persuasion (by which I mean persuaded by females).>> Definately. The last one talked me out of large chunks of a rather vital organ... :P <<You have such a violent to my statement, and yet you come up with this?>> I still don't know what he was talking about (poor sheltered me...), and I'm starting to think I don't want to...
By the way, the new mp3 ROCKS!

SJ><<Now that should be the election. None of this debate crap. Just 2 men, one drunk off his ass and ready to rumble, and the other geared up to prove he's not the President's whipping boy.>> LOL! You, my friend, deliver some SERIOUSLY odd/cool commentary... ;D
<<Hey! You're the 3rd person in the CR who proudly proclaims that they are a Stabbing Westward fan!>> And proud of it! But I thought I was the fourth... *thinks a bit, then shrugs* oh, well... <<Seriously, can you say "brainwashing"?>> If he wants to use Hollywood to grind himself and his religion into the dust, more power to him.
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 19, 2000 02:33:09 AM
IP: 209-223-253-92.ausa.net

Gunjack- Thank you, man!!!

Stabbing Westward- They are a crucial part of life, IMO. I can't imagine life without them. And I hate to be the one to say this, but the lead singer, Chris Hall, is a good lukin guy, for him to be put thur all that trama he sings about, is saddness!!

Announcement- I've lost my battle against trying to stop drinking. ::shrugs:: Oh Well..., 2morrow's another day.

Anyway, luvz ya!! Bye!!!
jackal
Thursday, October 19, 2000 01:11:00 AM
IP: spider-tr042.proxy.aol.com

*Lynati sweeps open the draperies and enters*

Heyla, all!

*Lynati sits down and stretches hugely, trying to avoid smacking anyone with her wings. Several feathers go sailing across the room to land in various peoples drinks. Lynati blushes behind her fur and apologizes. She puts her feet up and wiggles her toes.*
So THAT is what an introductory lesson to Capoeira is like...my calves are sure gonna be feeling this tomorrow. It was really good, though. After the class I spent a good 20 minutearunning through my Kung Fu forms...which I've been pretty lax in doing recently. However, my skill (and I use the term loosely) level doesn't seem to have suffered any, and I haven't forgotten anything.
The class meets 3 times a week, and if I can get a little Hung Fut in at the end of each, i'll be set.
I even got a little staff practice in (although i had to use a broom handle) which is completely unthinkable in my dorm room. (Trying to practice the little I know of broadsword in there is bad enough....)
....While I was watching "The Game" - how they refer to the not-quite-sparring aspect- I couldn't help but wonder how difficult it would be to keep a tail out of the way while practicing; you'd keep sitting on it.
(Lynati pets the soft gray fur on her tail and is happy she has a human form to practice in.)
And how would you place your wings?
Ah, well, I guess it isn't THAT much of an issue.
(except maybe in my stories, heh,)

Just wondering- exactly how does one end up on staff? are you invited? drafted? submit a resume or somesuch for perusal?
and what (besides writing) do you staffers do?
(this is just an inquiry, not a slight at you guys. I love this place. I just want to know what you have to do behind the scenes to keep it running so smoothly.)

Responses...
Christine: Ah.

Gside: (commenting on your comment to Niamhgold)
Hey, I go to an art school (KCAI) and none of my classmates are (usually) depressed or feeling unwanted.

Sevarius Jr: *Reads post, snickers loudly and oftenly*

Lexy: Your rant was perfectly justifiable
Oh- have you ever read"Lies my teacher told me; everything your american history textbooks got wrong."
EVERYONE should read this book. It's worth it.

speaking of suggested reading material, is anyone in here a Laurell K. Hamilton fan? the first book in her "Fey" series is set to come out soon; and the TENTH book in her wonderfully delicious Anita Blake series is due out this spring. NOBODY that I know of who has ever read that series has failed to become addicted. It's just that good.

Well, I'm off to go play with more construction paper and rubber cement. Whoever said college wasn't stimulating?

*Lynati gives her legs a final stretch and rises, exiting through the curtains and into the darkness of a hall of hanging fabric*
Anonymous
Thursday, October 19, 2000 01:04:55 AM
IP: 208.12.249.253

**Winterwolf yawns and walks in**

Hi! I had a good day today. I'm just feeling a little tired. I just spent the last couple of hours uploading wedding pictures so people that attended can have extra pictures to remember the occasion. :)

Kit> Thanks! I really did have a marvelous time at the wedding! Now that doesn't sound very professional on your professor's part. It is his responsibility to educate and he should explain what was wrong and show you where the information can be found. It is also upsetting to hear that total disregard for you. Is there a TA that you can speak with since the professor doesn't seem to be very helpful?

Janine> Welcome back! Long time no see! It's great to have you in here again! **hugz** :)

DPH> I filled in the point of the second part of the post. The really short explanation is I'm tying up a loose end...

Brooklyn> That connection is killing you! Toss a grenade at DC or something and I'll catch you on when your connection is more stable.

Delphi> Good to have you back!

SOROW> Alright! That's a phenomenal development! May it continue and strong bonds of love grow between both of you! ^_^

Rulok> That's great to know! The first episode of Gargoyles is this Saturday on Toon Disney... If only I know someone that had Toon Disney or could get it myself...

No BFTS tonight!

Time for me to go to bread! oh I mean go to bed! Good night!

**Winterwolf goes to bread... err bed**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:30:51 AM
IP: 206.15.120.101

Hey y'all! Friday is the last episode of The Goliath Chronicles on Toon Disney. The series starts all over again with episode one on Saturday.
Great time to start watching again!

Rulok - [jmiller@swri.edu]
San Antonio, TX, USA, Earth
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:59:57 PM
IP: cs162175-13.satx.rr.com

::staggers in under a heavy chunk of stone:: Anybody need a writer's block? I'm getting real tired of mine ...

Archwolf > let me preface this by pointing out that I am a rather cold and mean-spirited harpy ... but hey, you could always go to the wedding, not bring a prezzie, stuff yourself on the buffet and cake, and at least have a good meal out of the deal! ; )

Lynati > the next Gathering proper is in June 2001. There is an entirely different unrelated sci-fi convention in November called Loscon, at which some of the Gathering staff will be appearing to advertise and promote the Gathering.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:53:11 PM
IP: 15-133.009.popsite.net

oh ya...*bumps head* I also wanted to thank everyone who commented on my long rant on my former femy prof. It made me feel better reading that I wasn't the only person. I suppose because I am majoring in teaching I have a tendency to find more questions/fault with text books or prof's. I love school, and love my teachers. So it's not like a am being a psycho b*tch. I just happen to THINK when I read this stuff, and say to myself, "Well ok that sounded good, but what does it really mean?" or "So its in a book. Does that make it right?" Or "Hey, they are still human." I respect my profs and all..so I hope I didn't come off sounding like I was tearing at everyone because I couldn't get along with someone. Thanks again! *goes to bed*
Lex
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:13:27 PM
IP: aca6fd6c.ipt.aol.com

I suppose this was already mentioned before, but Richard Marx's New CD is coming out in five days. "The Days Of Avalon" I believe is the title. I was just wondering who was going to call dibs on making that into a Garg music video? *L*
Lexy
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:08:57 PM
IP: aca6fd6c.ipt.aol.com

Hello to all. I have some very exciting and especially happy news. It seems that everything is just perfect with me and my mom. We just went out shopping and she offered to take me out to eat or to make some dinner at home. She even bought me some earrings. So I can all forget about that disaster and move on with my life. Let's celebrate!
SOROW
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:20:12 PM
IP: a020-0843.dll2.splitrock.net

***BEGIN RP***
"Is she gonna tell him?" Nelgault the demon asked.
"Shh!" Belzelk hissed.
"But I wanna know!"
"Shut up! She's gonna talk, but I won't be able to hear her if you don't shut that big yap of yours!"
"I just wanted to know--"
"Nelgault, I swear by the cloven hooves of Mephistopheles, if you don't shut your pie-hole I'm gonna stuff if with one of Angol's chickens over there."
"Well, that's not entirely accurate, Belzelk dear boy. You see, these are actually Cornish game hens. You can recognize--"
"Don't you start Angol!"
"Um, pardon me," Warpmind interrupted, "but isn't this kind of wrong? Listening in on them? This is a personal conversation after all."
Belzelk blinked at him. "Don't you wanna know what she has to say?"
"Well....well, sure, but--"
"Shh! She's gonna tell him!" Gaunt whispered.
"I wonder what she'll say!" Nelgault exclaimed.
Gigamantis chattered something.
"Really?" Nelgault asked excitedly. "You think she's pregnant too, huh?"
"Oh, now that's ridiculous," Warpmind said. "There's no basis for that--"
"They're together, aren't they?" Belzelk snorted.
"Well....well yes, but I don't know that they have ever--"
Nelgault poked Gaunt in the ribs. "I bet you 20 bucks Sammael got something off of her."
"Now stop that!" Warpmind was shouting.

Meanwhile, SJ was finishing his dinner. "Well, that was weird. Who knew we'd meet Warpmind here? Still, it was good to see him."
"Yes," Kari said. She was staring at her plate. "Junior, I *really* need to tell you my secret now."
He set down his fork. "Okay, I'm listening."
"Um....I know that you've been....well, sort of dead for a while, but....but lately, I haven't been feeling myself lately. I had been feeling pretty weak, fatigued. And--and I haven't been able to fight lately. And....and...and I was talking to Kitty and...um, I don't know how to say this....but I--"
SJ leaned back in his chair, a horrified look on his face. "Oh my God you're pregnant."
From behind the plant a voice was whispering frantically, "I told you! I TOLD you!!!"
Kari gave him a stern look. "What? What the hell made you say that?!"
He shook his head nonchalantly. "Sorry, reflex reaction. Seriously, what's wrong?"
"I've lost my powers. I'm no longer the Avatar of Athena."
SJ laughed. "Oh, is THAT all? For a minute there, I thought you had said you lost your powers. Which would be hilarious, seeing as in a few days the rest of the Ten will be arriving here on Earth to kill everyone and everything, and your help could mean the difference in saving the lives of everyone."
She looked at him. "SJ, that's exactly what I'm saying. I've lost my powers."
He stopped laughing. "Oh. Well, if you don't mind, I'm going to crawl under the table and weep like a baby."
***END RP FOR NOW***

Well, ladies and gentlemen, your Olympic hero has returned to the CR! It's true, It's true!

First off....I know that I've tried to sort of curb all of the political talk in here, because I feel that it's sort of pointless to debate politics, because they are generally so deeply a part of our personal beliefs that they cannot be changed easily and when one questions one's politics, on can easily inadvertently insult someone. But I will now choose to be a bit of a hypocrite (not the first time, of course ;) and talk a little about the last debate. I wanna talk about it a little so that I get get this all out of my system. Because in three weeks, this will all be over with. In three weeks, I'll go into that ballot box and make my choices, and whether who I want to win does win or not, at least it will all be over with and I can go back to normal life. This has been one long, grueling election.
My thoughts on the debate: First off, the town hall setting was a joke. I've never seen a more coached audience in my life. They had index cards with their questions already on them! At least, though, it was good for some comic relief. Apparently, either the writing on those cards was very tiny, or the audience wasn't terribly literate, hence all of the mumbling and stumbling whenever they read the damn cards. Second: I really hate that moderator. Look up a picture of a softball in the dictionary, and you'll get his photo.
Finally, Gore. This was the 3rd debate, and the 3rd personality from Gore (he's become almost like Sybil, for crying out loud). The first debate it was "Pretentious Gore" (or if you are a democrat, "Knowledgeable and Assertive Gore"). The second it was "Calm and Subdued Gore". This time it was "Angry Gore". In your face, walking up to the audience. But this was a good thing, because at one point, I almost thought my dream was gonna come true. You know what I'm talking about? When Gore approached Bush. That was almost a promising moment. At one point, when Bush was speaking, Gore walked right up to him, almost like he was gonna punch him, and Bush sort of looked at him and was like "Hey, personal space, pal." But it was almost a beautiful moment, cause it honestly looked like there was gonna be a fist fight.
Which would make me happy. Honestly! It would be just what we need to liven up things! A good ol' streetfight! Who do you think would win? I'd give the advantage to Gore, on physical size alone, but I have a theory about Bush. I think that maybe, with enough liquor in him, he could be a mean drunk. Clean and sober, Gore may beat the bejeezus out of him. But have Bush chug a few 40s, then have Gore slap him around a bit, and I'll bet a fire get's lit under Dubya. THEN we'd have what I think would be a pretty decent matchup! Now that should be the election. None of this debate crap. Just 2 men, one drunk off his ass and ready to rumble, and the other geared up to prove he's not the President's whipping boy. THAT would be the way to choose the president. Thunderdome. Hell in the Cell. Two men enter, one man leave! WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?

Of course, the other big news is the baseball finals. A Subway Series. Now, I know this is a big thing, cause it hasn't happened in 44 years.....but I'm torn. See, I HATE baseball. Loathe it. It's just so horrifically boring to me. It's not like football, or hockey, or basketball, where there's constant action. It's just far to slow for me and my short attention span. But my hatred of baseball is offset by one thing--my utter hatred of New York sports teams. ANY New York sports teams. God I hate them. Yankees, Mets, it's no difference.
The thing I find funny about this, in a morbid sort of way......is that they're predicting all sorts of violence and yes, deaths, that will accompany this series. I'm betting it happens too. I'm betting that, by the time the series is over, someone gets axed. Yankees and Mets fans will be killing each other. Which is a sad statement about our society, but that's another rant.

Speaking of ranting against sports, though.....I thought I'd rant a little against my own Washington Redskins, cause I know that there's some football fans in the CR. Now, I'm still with the team.....even though they constantly disappoint me, I'm like the battered wife on Cops--I'll always take them back. But I have to say that I really, really, REALLY hate the Napoleon wannabe they have for an owner, Dan "The Littlest Emperor" Snyder. The guy's a prick. How so? The 2 latest reasons: One, he's canned Brad Johnson. Johnson, for those who don't know, is our quarterback, and while he isn't Kurt Warner, Johnson's a pretty good QB. He's done well for us. Well, his contract was to be up this year, and it would be a lock that he'd resign with us....except he won't. Why? Because the owner, Snyder, is such a friggin' homo for our backup QB, Jeff George, that he's actually made it known to coach Norv Turner--and thus, made it known to Brad Johnson--that he doesn't want Brad back next year. He prefers George. Can you believe that balls on this little prick? And the second thing....and this is a move of ultimate disrespect....the money-grubbing little ass actually charged the Baltimore Ravens for parking their team bus in the parking lot during this past weekend's game. Can you believe that? He actually charged the visiting team 120 bucks to park their bus in the lot. But why is this surprising, coming from the man who charges 10 bucks to let fans watch the Redskins practice (when, might I add, for every other NFL team....EVERY OTHER TEAM....practice is free and open to the public). He's a prick. A daft prick. Dan "D.P." Snyder, the Napoleon of football.

Gunjack: Hey! You're the 3rd person in the CR who proudly proclaims that they are a Stabbing Westward fan! That makes you, me, and Jackal a perfect triad. Anyone else wanna profess their love of this group? I have all their albums, and the good news is that I've heard recently that their fourth CD will be released (I believe) sometime early next year.
It's no wonder that I love their music, because my tastes only range to two kinds of music: the type that is melancholy, or the type that's angry. SW is both! ;) But seriously, if you've never heard them, pick up a cd for God's sake. It's good stuff.

Guns: I won't get into this debate, I'll just say that my attitude towards gun control is similar to Chris Rock's view on drugs--people will always find a way to kill one another, just like people will always find a way to get high. Take away the guns, people will just pick up another weapon. Look at the Palestinians. They're pretty good at killing Jews with rocks and slingshots.
Oops, sorry, that was a bit of a political statement. I didn't mean to imply that those Palestinians were rabidly anti-Semitic, or that Arafat talks about peace on one hand and promotes terrorism with the next. Wasn't implying that at all.

Now off of that other stuff, and onto some ENTERTAINMENT NEWS!!! :)

From the "Please Buy a Clue" Department: Travolta has now publicly said that he fully plans to make a sequel to "Battlefield Earth". He says that he loved making the first film, and that he can't wait to make a second. He also said that the film (which, might I add, has at the current time only made a little over 20 million in theStates), has "gained a strong internet following".
Sure, if count scathing criticism as a following. Seriously, can you say "brainwashing"? John, you spell delusional thinking : "s-c-i-e-n-t-o-l-o-g-y".

Xena Climaxes: I'm sure she does.
As XenaTrek said earlier this week, they've decided to end production of Xena. I'm a little bit saddened by this, but the show has had a good run. And I could tell that this was inevitable, as is seemed as if things were winding down. Xena, you will be missed.
Gee, what's happening to the world today? First Anne and Ellen break up, now Xena ends.

Crow fans: For fans of the Crow, the third movie will be released on video on January 23rd. The film was going to be released theatrically, but they decided against that when they test screened it and.....well, the results weren't that promising. So, it makes it to video instead.
I would suggest renting the film, for 2 reasons: this film can't possibly be as bad as the second Crow film was, and it also stars Kirsten Dunst. Who is rapidbly becoming my latest object of obsession. Anyone catch that pictorial of her in Maxim? Oh. My. God.

Witchblade news: If you liked the tv movie that TNT aired a few weeks ago, than you should be pleased to know that TNT has greenlighted Witchblade as a series. However, it will be a "limited" series, with only 11 episodes being produced. The show will feature one big story arc that covers all 11 episodes and has a resolution. And if the show does good, who knows, maybe more episodes will follow!

Superheroes: I agree with the words from Meteor Man, even though I've never seen the movie (I'm sorry, Robert Townsend doesn't exactly thrill me as a superhero). The reasons already listed are exactly why I'm NOT a big fan of Superman. He was always too powerful for me. He was, essentially, a god. Only 2 things in the whole friggin world could hurt him--kryptonite and magic. So either you had to have a villain use magic on him, or have Luthor pummel him with Kryptonite. It got repetitive. So then you have a million stories where the villain picks on Lois. Or Lana Lang. Or Jimmy, the Boy Target. It just bores me. At least Lobo was kind of cool, even though his comic series sucked and he was just as godlike (if not more so) as Supes, because he was just so damn violent. I mean, he killed everyone on his own planet. He's the Hell's Angel from Hell.

And speaking of Superman and Lobo......Here's the latest on the Superman movie scene.
Apparently, comic writer Keith Giffen has written a 17 page scriptment for the next Superman movie, in which the "Death of Superman" theme has been thrown out. The rumored plot of the new scriptment? Aliens come to Earth, cause apparently we have some sort of substance here that's common to us but that is a highly profitable drug to them But they know that they'll never get the drug with Superman around, so they hire someone to off Supes--Lobo.
Now, this probably has a snowball's chance in hell of getting made, but if it does....I can smell the ultraviolence that this film would include.

And finally, a complaint from me--Fox Kids has already canceled the best damn show on their Fox lineup--Vision of Escaflowne. Yep, it's gone. I should have known something was up when, instead of regular programming last weekend, they chose to run a "Digimon-athon" instead (and oh, how I am beginning to hate Digimon....I can feel all of that old Pokemon hatred surging up again, only it's being directed to Digimon). The best show on their lineup, and they give it the axe after what? 6 weeks? 7? I guess that I'll have to buy tapes of the show now.
Which is a total rape, might I add. I don't care how much you love anime, it's a rip-off. They charge up to 30 bucks for one of those tapes, and they usually only stuff maybe 4 episodes of a series on there. In my opinion, if I'm gonna pay 30 bucks for a damn anime videotape that's only about 60 minutes long anyway, they'd better throw in something like an hour or so of hardcore hentai tentacle anime as well. Then I'd feel like I was getting my money's worth. It'd be justified.
Cause let's be honest--if you're gonna blow a bunch of money on a single videotape, it'd best be porn. You can justify spending 20 bucks on Pamela and Tommy Lee cause....well, you won't find that stuff anywhere else. 20 bucks spent on a DBZ tape that only has 3 episodes is a bit excessive. 20 bucks spent on "The Best of Ginger Lynn" is a bargain. ;]
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:04:07 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

Hi all, been missing visiting here, but I think that our internet problem is fixed. (crosses fingers, kicks old Mr. Murphy in the watoozee- get out and stay out!) Anyway things ore looking up. Hubby finally found a tranny for his blaser so I could actually have a car agin by the end of the month. Not that I mind biking around town and such, it's just difficult to bring home the groceries that we need on a bike. It seem that I have two eating machines, everytime you turn around their eating again.

well I need to make some other replys so catch you all next time.

Delphi - [delphii16@netscape.net]
Twin Falls, Idaho
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 09:50:12 PM
IP: 216.190.243.179

Yes, once again labs (and principles) took up a lot of my time, so I have a lot to catch up on. Though I did find out id moderately well, squeaking in with an A with (78+3)/87.

Once again, a great job on the latest Pendragon.

Gasper> Welcome back.

Warpmind> <<I'll explain the pie joke for you>>: I never said I was good at getting jokes. Heck, I still haven't gotten the Youkoned Bea pun.
<<they found something *else* instead, didn't they?>>: No, they found that there wasn't anything there. The idea of ether was that there is somthing through which EM waves propogate. They performed an experiment where something would have happened if there was something there, but nothing happened.

Cal�ope> <>: Air and Space! Air and Space!
<<the henati under-belly of anime>>: No, not really. Just extremely bouncy. Maybe if you take the more general meaning of hentai, though...

Welcome back Rodlox.

Gunjack> <<Gside's pointed me toward enough emulators to keep me busy>>: My job here is done.
<<how do they replace the fluids they lose from oozing and drooling constantly?>>: Same way I do, giant cup and an endless source of beverage. Though it must be rather hard to keep stocked on HF.
<<Are the Catholics the ones who stated that the bread and wine actually turned into blood and flesh when eaten?>>: Yes we are.
<<I've always understood that statement to be symbolic>>: I believe that's the protestant interpretation.
<<Thanks for the tips>>: Not a problem. I might have listed all that I read, but that would just take too long. And you seem to have at least passing knowledge of all the Keenspot ones.
<<I've never used a level I didn't earn with my own two hands>>: Good man. I probably wouldn't accept the files either. And I still do need to go back and pump up Magus and get those tabs from Spekkio. I think there are a disproportionate number of speed and magic tabs in the game.
<<Thanks for reminding me [of Non Nobis]>>: Well, I am planning on posting it rather soon.
<<Nitpicker...>>: Blame my Shakespeare and English History teacher. It was his observation, and it infected me. And yes, I am an engineer; I took the course to fill a General Honors requitement.
<<What's bad is when you feed a FERRET caffiene>>: Or pixie sticks.

Wilek> <<Anyone know where to find a great many Japanese N64 ROMs?>>: You might want to try the links at http://www.plasticman.org/2.shtml I'm not really sure how many there would be, since I haven't tried emulating much outside of the SNES.
<<<downloads and listens> Great>>: Did you get Smut and Oeddie? I think you might like Smut too, if only by virtue of your Y chromosome's general outlook on life.
<<no more supernatural than magnetism or electricity>>: Which are themselves rather freaky. The more you learn, the more you realized just how strange the world is.
<<<CGPF523>>>: Sorry, what? Or is that just the error code for encountering one with the purported inclinations of Mr. Glick?
<<Blood gushes from Wilek's eye sockets>>: That sounds like a bad thing. Right; no more nude typing for me.
<<maybe it's time I moved the rest of my 600MB movie directory>>: I'd say so, since you have almost the perfect size for it.
<>: But if I can, I try to keep my contributions relevant.
<<Especially since they've come out with a Windows version that can play Mega Man X2 and X3>>: So does the DOS version. Still can't figure out which guy to go for first, but I haven't really been working on it.
<<Do you really wanna send me on *that* rant again>>: Nope, I just felt like coming up with some retort.
<<Un grosse merde>>: Such language!
<<someone else who's quite so sexually liberated (by which I mean liberated from sex>>>: But is he still of the female persuasion (by which I mean persuaded by females).
<<You should see the side of the mountain>>: Like the aftermath of a long Worms game?
<<You could always try some KY>>: You have such a violent to my statement, and yet you come up with this?

Niamhgold> <<depression because they don't feel like they belong here>>: It's an art school. Everyone is supposed to be depressed, nor are they supposed to belong.
<<How did I get to be a great, wise person?>>: Why, from us of course. Or at least we gave you the experience dealing with all the psychos.
Good seeing you again.

Guandalug> <<Updating the content of the index-file instead of building it on demand>>: Sounds like a plan.
<<if the number of stories is in the file>>: Which is all up to you if you think it is too difficult or would cause too much stress on the servers (being updated that much more often).
<<Just the index-file, mind you>>: Of course, the others are short enough that I don't notice any delay.

Warpmind> <<a sizeable chunk of citrine suspended on a cord>>: Give me the stone, Marius.
<<if you and Gunjack want a copy of the Chronotrigger ROM... just let me know, and I'll e-mail it to ya>>: Heck, let me make that offer, too. Or for any other ROM I might have lying around on my hard drive. But if I have it is the real question. I think I have a good percentage of SNES RPGs.

The network here seem to be feeling a better than it did in recent days. Anyway, it's that time again. This is a little ditty I picked up semi-recently and have since been hooked on. For two reasons: one, it's just that good, and two, the title is the name of a road that is near my home. If you want Seven Bridges Road by The Eagles, come and get it. Incidentally, the real Seven Bridges Rd. doesn't have seven bridges, I think the count is around five.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 09:28:43 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Oops. That was me. I forgot to fill in the top half of the form.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 07:25:02 PM
IP: 198.215.20.211

Kitainia> *sigh* It's not really anything specific. By the time I could explain it all, you would have lost interest. Let's just say that recent events have reminded me of certain problems that I usually force out of my mind, and I felt the need to share the gloom.

Maybe one day things will change, but until then (or until I leave the CR - which I'm not planning on doing) you can just expect these periodic outbursts of angst.
Anonymous
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 07:24:08 PM
IP: 198.215.20.211

Hi Guys!
How's everybody? Here are a few replies.
<DPH>
I have my second RP post that I'm sending to the e-group for your approval. Let me know what you think!
<Winterwolf>
Sorry about last night. My connection has been bad lately!
<Emambu>
Yes Brooklyn still takes Demona for a mate in my ficverse.
If you have anymore questions, comments or even suggestions let me know! You know my email!

Later days!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 07:05:35 PM
IP: 216.117.75.48

* "BUFFY/ANGEL" SPOILERS *

BUFFY: I quite liked this one - especially with the Spike/Harmony team-up, the operation on Spike (trust him to be conscious and vocal all the while that the doctor's working on him!) and how it turned out (I was certainly surprised when it turned out that the doctor *hadn't* removed that chip), not to mention the nightmare that Spike had at the end (and until Spike suddenly woke up and it was revealed that it had been just a dream, I was very much shocked at seeing Buffy respond to Spike as she did).

The business with Riley and Buffy was well-handled. (One little bit that I can't help wondering about is the mention of "Agent Goodman" and "Agent Brown" - was that intended as a Nathaniel Hawthorne reference?) But the really intriguing part was when Joyce momentarily realizes that Dawn isn't actually her daughter. I wondered whether it was connected to her collapse immediately following the realization, and if so, which one caused the other. Fortunately, the preview for next week's episode indicates that Dawn's true nature will be the focal point there.

ANGEL: An effective story, I thought. So now it seems that Darla's actually getting into Angel's room and those dreams may not be just dreams. One of my favorite parts was at the beginning when Angel pretends to be a police detective (and I'm also wondering where Kate is this season, BTW).

I've got to admit, it *would* be like Wolfram & Hart to associate with a man who molests his own daughter.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 06:53:20 PM
IP: 216.87.46.121.dialup-stl.primary.net

quick reply

Warpmind- I believe he said the monastary is called Sibiaco, or spelled something like that and it's in norther Arkansas. From what I can tell now it's something he has had planned for a while he just doesn't talk about it that often. Heh, I only heard about it this semester.
Maybe I don't pay attention enough, Hmm.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 05:38:44 PM
IP: spider-wd012.proxy.aol.com

**DPH enters the room through a portal, smiling. DC and JRSU look worried and start to leave the room, but find it impossible to do so.**

**RP RELATED**
Winterwolf, I am confused about your last post. Could you please explain in egroups more throughly so I can see what you are up to.

Road trip - During the road trip, there will be lots of references to other things like movies, tv, etc. 12 cybercookies to the 1st person to identify the reference in each day of my post. I will mark them with a *.
**END RP RELATED**

Welcome back, Rodlox & Gasper.

**DPH approaches DC & JRSU. They ask him what he wants. DPH just smiles and does not say a word, yet.**

It is interesting to learn more things. My biggest expectation about the company I interviewed with was right when I suspected it was a small business.

**BFTS RP continues**
DPH finally wins the argument and everyone is in the car with seat belts on. *Plastique notices a new button in DPH's car with the letters "SOT" on it.

"What does this button do?" asks Plastique while pointing at that button.

DPH replies, "the letters stand for SHIFT OUT OF TURTLE mode. It switches the speed of the car to high speeds and that option was added when I added the driving spell."*
**END BFTS RP for now**
yep, 12 cybercookies for the 1st person to identify this disguised reference. hint: the letters in all caps are very important part.
**DPH says to DC and JRSU, "Dance." and with that he starts summoning laser attacks against DC and JRSU.**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 05:37:00 PM
IP: max1-16.cwy.cei.net

**WARNING.. PENRAGAGON RELATED** Could Powell be the Directer? **END PENDRAGON RELATED**
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 03:31:41 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-210.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*Warpmind enters, sporting a sizeable chunk of citrine suspended on a cord around his neck.*
Hullo, gang. Got a nice deal on a few things today, including an old flightstick, a few CDs and this sto... *Gets panicky look in his eyes, gazes toward the door.*
Oh, bugger... uh, if Baal drops by, I'm not here... :|

Gunjack Valentine: I'd like to explain that difference to you, if you specify what kind of Screamer you refer to... :) As for the knife... I don't really think there's any particular label on it (except for that nice-looking Bald Eagle on the sideplate), but a nice indicator of the knife's quality might be the fact that I bought it from a haggling Indian (or maybe Pakistaani...) merchant, with a tiny little shop on a corner in Prague. Those guys pop up at every tourist trap, it seems... :| Oh, and if you make your own cane sword, could you fix one for me, too? With a nice, straight handle with a knob at the end? (Let's face it, the rounded handles are NOT practical for swordfights...)

Wilek: You accuse me of smoking the Wilek brand of cigars? Hah! I'm down to five per da... month! Oh, and one more thing: if you and Gunjack want a copy of the Chronotrigger ROM... just let me know, and I'll e-mail it to ya. ]:) Where magic is concerned... let's just say that there are a LOT of things in the Bible that I don't agree with. That bit included. And you're right... we DO have a lot in common, personality-wise. Please be at G2001. :) The havoc we could wreak... ;) As for me drawing the attraction of Things that can look back... well... I generally try to have another suc... person present whenever I'm pursuing such forms of magic, so the risk, at worst, is only 50/50. ];)

Lynati: And with some time, they'll only be worth watching from a safe distance, aye? ;) (Oh, and a little thought - if you are feeling any less than 100%, don't go for the complex combos - tripping is, as I understand it, exceedingly simple and occasionally fatal, even for the Masters of Capoeira...)

Kit: I'll keep my fingers crossed, too. :) And I can easily understand that Hebrew is a difficult language - and one that I actually might like to study in about two decades, to look up for instance the Caballah and various segments of the Torah, for... personal studies. ]:)

Well, that's about it. *The chunk of citrine on his chest begins to glow.* Gotta go, guys. See y'all later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 01:50:24 PM
IP: mp-217-216-209.daxnet.no

*steps out of the man-sized mirror that is standing in a corner of the room*

Oh my - RL really holds me in it's grip. I barely find the time to lurk around...... well, to the answers *including last week's comment room)

Gside> [it stil annoys me that it takes something that long to load that really isn't that much text] Yeah, too true. The only way around that problem would be pre-generating the specific index-file and only changing it when there's a change in the database - e.g. if there's a new author or a new story (if the number of stories is in the file, that is). Well - mayhaps that's an option I could try - Updating the content of the index-file instead of building it on demand. Just the index-file, mind you - won't do that for the stories of the past <x> weeks, the top ten list (Story-side, not those in the 'other items' section) or the list for each author. I'll do some tests.

Kitainia> [Hope the big job (Recoding Fanfic archive) is soon ended] Oh, the recoding itself is nearly done - I'm starting with some tests now. What DOES take some more time will be the gathering and sorting of all the data in it.... and the process of elimination wrong, old or broken data. We'll see.....

Doug> Don't worry, It'll take some time 'till I can really switch the archives...... and besides I guess I will prepare a full backup of all stories - but still, authors who do their own backups are welcome, for I cannot guarantee anything :)

And that Mail-Problem I ought to have solved by now. My main provider (GMX) has a spam-filter..... that unfortunately blocked some mails from Hotmail, Yahoo and such. I switched the forwarding to my college-account now - and I think I got your EMail. I'll check that at home. Thanx for the informations.

Emabu> As I said above the recoding itself is nearly done, just tweaking some things here and there and mayhaps adding some more functions or speeding up some pages if possible. And thank you for that runaway code *takes the snippets and puts them into his pocket*

Rodlox> Hi there. I've got an answer to your first question - or at least I should have. The EMail you got was from me, and the reply was bounced due to the abovementioned fact that my Provider somehow blocks a lot of Hotmail-accounts wis his 'SPam Filter' *sighs* Gonna deactivate that thing. If you'd be so friendly and resend your mail - it should work now. And yes, I'm trying to 're-organize' and generally clean up the Fanfic-Archive here.

Well, that's it for the answers. The Pendragon-Episode was a good one - and there are a lot of open threads to follow. I'm eagerly awaiting the next episode - hope the season's not over too soon.

*disappears through a rift in the fabric of time and space*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gargoyles-fans.org]
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:54:36 AM
IP: nx7.hrz.uni-dortmund.de

Howdy all,
Thought I'd drop some Behind the scenes info here so:

*****Behind-the-Scenes Info***** Spoilage: Minimum
The title: The flowers are meant to connect things with Duval. In 'Ill-Made Knight' Lancelot had three diaries each embossed with one of the flowers. The lily connects him with the Lady of the Lake. The Iris connects him to the numerous Elaines in his life. And the Rose connects Lancelot with Guinevere.

Lancelot as Duval> Like Todd said, it was a decision made at the inception of TGS. But let me toss this thought at you, James. Don't you think Lancelot adds a more personal dimension to a conflict between him and Arthur. Someone who knows how you operate and can get under your skin. I don't know what's going to happen but you got to admit, you are intrigued.

Either way the sword cuts, it was good finishing up that arc. A great way to end a good career with TGS. While I'm not writing for the project anymore, I'll still be in the comment room. (You can't get rid of me that easily)

*****Quietly exits stage left and joins the rest of the audience****
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:49:26 AM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

Er, starting in my next post on Thursday I mean. Sorry.
Doug
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 04:01:17 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.114.dlls.grid.net

Gasper: <Whatever will happen to Lego Land?> Funny you should ask. I'm planning a huge battle in there on Thursday. <grins and maniacally laughs>
Doug
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 02:55:48 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.114.dlls.grid.net

Kit, funny you should say a battle in the food court of the MOA. I live about 2 hours away. Nice play, but don't buy anything there, lest you can't find it anywhere else.

But a battle in the food court? What ever will happen to Lego Land.

Gasper - [gasper@icybrian.com]
MN, USA
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 02:20:20 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4

I met Anthony Stewart Head in Las Vegas this weekend!
Janine - [Purple_Pixy@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 01:45:52 AM
IP: phx-212.treknet.net

Begin Part 2!

Rodlox: Welcome back! Congrats on finally triumphing over all the hassles that kept you away. You might want to go check out the archive, see how much we missed you. $ You can also see what's been going on with your characters in the RP in there. Basically, Anthony has told the Ravens the barest of details about himself, without giving away what he truly is nor the true nature of his mission. Now, he and us Ravens are fighting a battle with demons and a whole bunch of the jerks we've recently met in RL, as well as ones we have not taken revenge on in the RP yet. See below for some of it. Feel free to bring in some of your own foes if you wish. <grin> Meanwhile, Thailog has hired your bad guys Paul deGaul, Xothux, and Ty-Ubemngoe to kill us, and they have two additional comrades- Schaefer and Claudia (who's the same Claudia from Interview with the Vampire, if no one has yet guessed). They'll be coming after us soon enough, just have to resolve the subplot with Mecord's characters being in Thailog's secret base first. We'll do that ourselves soon enough if Mecord doesn't come back for a while. Hope he does though. <grin> E-mail us if you want more details, hope you can get back into the RP soon. $ Once again, welcome back, it's good to see you here. Hope other absent friends of ours, like Mecord and Jenna, soon also return here.

Wilek: $ Thanks for your enthusiastic approval. It's going to be a while before we use your characters in the RP again, but believe me, you'll like what we do when we do use them. <grin> $ Tank-driving bears come through your kitchen too? Somehow I'm not surprised. :)

Niamhgold: <How did I get to be a great, wise person?> Probably just happened, thanks to your life experiences. That's the way it was with me. Good luck helping all the people in your life who need it, I'm confident you can do well for everyone with advice. If you need help, just let us know. We miss you also, and hope you will return soon. Don't worry, we do understand about you having to be away. Have to say this too- I'm glad you're inspiring Winterwolf. Hope it continues. :)

David G: Oh, come on! We care about you, we're friends. Trust me, nothing that's happened to you could be bad enough that we'll shoo you out of here because of it. Or be bored by it, for that matter. :) Hope you soon get up the guts to fill us in on your life.

**BUFFY, ANGEL SPOILERS**
Nice episodes of these shows tonight. Buffy had a very unfortunate lack of Xander and Anya in it, though we did get a lot of good stuff from them last week so I guess that's okay. Giles was also underused, unfortunately. Thought Willow and Tara weren't seen enough too, though I did enjoy their comedy bits. Dawn's comedy bits were also funny, though I've been hating how she's just been used for such scenes in the last couple episodes. <sigh> This ep had a lot of great developments on Buffy, Riley, and Spike though, which made up for the lack of attention paid to the other main characters. It was good to see him finally realizing Buffy does love him, hope he will be treating their relationship accordingly now. The dialogue concerning his sudden superpowers was great too, the nice script and plot of the episode helped. Great seeing Graham again also, he made a nice foil for Riley in the episode. He was much more entertaining here than as the generic Initiave soldier he was last season, I thought. The doctor was a cool character too, one definitely has to admire his intelligence. Really liked what was done with Spike and Harmony, it was cool seeing the latter doing more comedy bits and getting more into cliched villainy. I was shocked by how much of a ditz she was during the "chip-removal operation" though. Was ROFLMAO at Spike's scenes too, especially the hilarious dream sequence with him and Buffy at the end of the episode. Can hardly wait for more to be done with that. Great fight scenes with Spike also. Overall, good episode. I liked how it resolved the Buffy-Riley love quandary. Hope more attention will be paid to the season's other threads in upcoming eps. Also hoping this season's meta-plot will start up in earnest soon, it certainly is time for it. Maybe next week�:)

Liked Angel too, the character bits were great in this ep. Very nice developments on Angel and Lilah, who was fleshed out well as a villainess in the plot, which was very well-written IMO. Liked the bits of development on Cordelia and Wesley too, their banter was especially good this week. Gunn wasn't used much, but he did have a couple good scenes with the question of money and that cool axe- which I hope to see him use someday. :) Liked the character of Bethany a lot, hope this isn't the last time we see her. The bits of soul-baring dialogue from her were especially good, so were the effects when she used her power. I was cheering a lot in the scene where she threw her a-hole father out the window. Her hurting Angel so badly was a little surprising, but it was good to see some realism there. :) Nice development with the Angel's Darla dreams thread too, it's nice to see that developing into a major plotline. Looking forward to seeing it paid full attention to next week. The meta-plot aspects of it are proceeding quite well, as are those of Angel's conflict with Wolfram & Hart. The only thing missing from this great season so far is Kate, who I hope we see again. Liked her a lot last season, and it'd be a pity to see her just fade away. Hopefully they'll soon bring her back. :)
**SPOILERS OVER**

Okay, that's all for tonight, I guess. See y'all again next week probably, with a review of Bedazzled as well as the usual round of RP, replies, and comments. Hope our lives stay calm for a while, same to all of you. Later!

**RESUME RP- RAVENS' SAGA. WARNING- EXCESSIVE VIOLENCE**

The screen comes on again, displaying the Mall of America's food court. A huge battle is raging within, the Ravens surrounded by their RL enemies and desperately trying to fight back against them. Those with guns are mostly not firing them, for fear of hitting someone on their side in the close quarters, so the battle is hand to hand with every one of the Ravens facing several opponents. On one side of the fight, the wide-faced black man is charging Leah, who meets him with a slam of her rifle butt that breaks his nose and knocks him down. He gets up growling, then is hit by a wave of flame from the Pike attachment on Leah's assault rifle that washes over him and a few other unruly people who were running up to help. As their burned corpses fall to the floor, Leah turns and runs to help Tom as he trades blows with Professor Cooke (the Rice engineering professor who Tom hated so much- see Kit's last post for details). Cooke tries to stab Tom with a pointer, but Leah's tackle knocks him down and as he tries to shove her off, Tom runs up and cracks his head open with a wrench. "Thanks," Tom tells Leah as she gets up and Cooke dies. "No problem," she smiles. "You alright?" Tom nods. "You?" She also nods. Beside them, Tricia is struggling against the Kappa Kappa Alpha frat boys as they gang up on her, swinging so many blows that she has to concentrate on blocking them and cannot bring her psi-powers into play. Mansfield, after a seeming moment of thought, rushes to help, and cuts down the largest of the group with a neck-snap and a kick to the groin in the same instant. "Nice move!" Jammer compliments as he swings his metal pole at the bearded biker and beer-bellied drunk facing him directly as other drunks and jerks circle around. Mansfield grins in agreement, giving Jammer a thumbs-up as he knocks the biker down to the ground, where he lies unconscious and bleeding heavily from the head. As Mansfield turns back to help Tricia further, Jammer punts Beer-Belly in the stomach and then whacks him in the face several times, knocking him down too. The moaning drunk is then trampled as more of his comrades rush forward to attack Jammer, who grimaces and shakes his head. "Can someone please tell me why all you people are trying to kill me?" "You should know!" someone retorts. Jammer shakes his head and casts Tricia a worried look before he is forced to go back to fending them off. Anthony and Orion quickly rush to his aid with ready fists and mace. Meanwhile, Boris is repeatedly beaning his father's plumbing rival with a chair as the jerk stabs at him with a plunger. Elena quickly turns away from her own fight as she knocks those attacking her back with kicks and throws an energy beam, knocking the screaming plumber down. "Thanks!" Boris shouts, moving in and delivering the killing blow, then growling in pain and shock as the bank robber (see Kit's last post) shoots him in the back with a paintball gun. "Don't tell me I lost the check!" Elena's landlord shouts at her, rushing in for the attack. "I did not lose the check!" "Whatever!" she shrugs, vaporizing him with a lightning bolt spell, then moving to challenge her evil editor as he comes at her with a snarl and a poison-dripping pen. Nearby, Shap shouts a kiai that deafens the ladies who he stopped in RL from opening soda bottles in his store, and then mutters a prayer of forgiveness as he moves in and knocks them out with the flat of his blade. The burglars rush him just as he turns away, and he is forced to lash out at them with killing thrusts. Beside him, Shauna has knocked out the couple accusing her of tax return mistakes with martial arts kicks to their heads, but she is grabbed by three plastic-faced guys dressed in expensive clothing who chuckle and hold her as she struggles. "Here's your target, Percy!" one yells at her rich archery rival, who draws back his bow and smiles as two giggling ditzy but beautiful girls look on. "Shoot!" Kit and Doug, both caught up in their own battles with many formidable opponents, are unable to help. "Time to die, Demon-Bitch!" Jerry Bennet shouts as he swoops down on Kit and tackles her, knocking her to the ground as she screams in surprise and Gus, Sternie, and Lorna exchange laughs. "Kit!" Doug cries, but is intercepted by a grinning Holder before he can rush over. Meanwhile, Stephanie has drawn her sword and eviscerated all of the Booster Gang who threatened her, leaving them on the floor in a mass of twitching blood, entrails, and shoplifted clothes. The JC Penny Assistant Manager who faced her is lying dead too, his head kicked across the room after being separated from his body. Kit's sister looks around for another opponent, sees none, and is about to rush to Kit's aid when the sound of heavy black boots with gold crosses emblazoned on the heels stomping on the floor echoes from behind her. Stephanie turns to see the villain from the latest bad Highlander sequel standing behind her smiling, his sword out and ready. Behind him are the producer of the movie, its scriptwriter, and its director, as well as their counterparts who made Highlanders 2 and 3. All have swords of their own ready, but Stephanie does not look worried in the least. "This is going to be fun," she declares eagerly. "Justice!!" She then yells in challenge and charges at Kell. "Stephanie, no!" shouts Keith, who has just knocked out a pair of angry toughs with his nunchuks, running towards her. He is intercepted by a large bald black-mustached man in a black karate gi, who knocks him down with a series of rapid kicks. "Rematch time, Matthews!" the man declares, drawing and swinging his own nunchuks. "Let's see if you win this one! You showed me up in front of a huge audience we fought, now it's my turn to show up you!" "Get him, Sensei!!" several rough-looking college students in white karate gis cheer their master on as Keith gets up and growls. "Leave some for us!" several people wearing business suits and lazy or egotistical expressions put in from behind the students. "We want to pay back the son for the sins of the father!" "And the mother!" others add. "They fired us, now we're paying them back!" "Mom and Dad had good reason for firing all of you!" Keith glares at them, not paying attention to their lame counter-arguments as he gets into a martial arts stance and the sensei makes a come-on gesture. "Get him!" cheer some black gang members from South Central who have just run forward to join the fight. "Where's your car alarm now, huh, Chink? You can't scare us off this time! You're dead, dead!!" Keith ignores them, steeling himself for the coming fight as around him the other Ravens continue to do battle. His hellhound barking and slobbering beside him, straining at its leash, Pastor John grins as he looks on.

Elsewhere, Lathrop and his family are standing in the Albuquerque Airport, facing an airline ticket lady with angry expressions. "You're telling my dad his flight has been delayed again?" his daughter Maria is growling. "Come on! He has friends in Minneapolis who might need his help!" "Ma'am, I am sorry," the ticket lady says. "Several of our aircraft's parts have been recalled, the pilots are on strike, the weather�" "For the love of God, lady!" Lathrop's son Travis screams, waving a finger at her. "Whatever happened to customer service, huh? Friendly skies, my�." "Travis, please!" Lathrop's wife Ruth interrupts, shutting her son up with a glare. "We have to bear with this, there's not much we can do about it. I know it's frustrating, but�" She stops, suddenly noticing the look on the face of her husband, who is not speaking or even glaring at the ticket lady anymore, only staring into space. "Fletcher? What's wrong?" "What is it, Dad?" Maria asks. "Are the Ravens in trouble?" "Yes," Lathrop nods grimly, coming out of his funk. "I have to go, they need me." "But the flight�" Travis frowns. Lathrop waves him off. "There are other ways. Goodbye, everyone. Never forget I love you." He kisses and embraces each of them, then makes the confused-looking ticket lady and several other passengers standing nearby gasp and faint in surprise as he pulls out a gem, recites an incantation, and teleports away in a flash of light. Lathrop's family exchanges hopeful smiles as the screen goes blank.

**END RP AND POST- SORRY FOR THE LENGTH**
Kitainia - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:26:38 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.196.dlls.grid.net

**LONG RP HERE**

The screen comes on, revealing the interior of the Bey family's apartment, where Fasil has just taken his gun and checked the clip, then nodded at Mary to open the door as the person on the other side continues knocking. "They didn't buzz," Michael Marter frowns, hand on his own PPK. "I enjoy circumventing that system, but other people maintain the decency to�" "Maybe they're other residents of these apartments demanding to know what happened just now," Lloky speculates. "Or maybe it's that bad man come back!" Patty counters. "If it is, we will protect you," Fasil assures her. Hassan and Sarita both nod in agreement, the latter drawing a knife and motioning to Hassan. He nods and rushes into his room, coming out quickly with the biggest scimitar anyone has ever seen in his hands (Cyber-Cookie to anyone who gets the reference behind this weapon). Mary hesitates as she sees it, and Fasil smiles. "This time we're ready," he declares. "Wait," Lloky frowns. "This is nothing to worry about. It's�" "Mom, it's us!" Erin shouts from the door's other side, emphasizing her words with another knock. "We're back! Are you there?" "Mr. Bey?" Gubio calls. "Mrs. Bey?" "Hassan?" asks Bessus. "Patty?" Mist adds to the calls with a loud meow, and Mary throws open the door and gasps in relief as she sees the four of them indeed standing there. "You're all safe, thank God!" she cries, hugging Erin as the people behind her grin and put away their weapons, lowering their guards. "Good to see you guys again," Lloky says. "You'll be glad to know your family is safe. A sorcerer working for Abdullah and his golem broke in, but I helped drive 'em off." "Erin! Alex!" Patty cries, giving her sister a hug of her own as Erin scoops her up and smiles. "You alright?" "Yes, yes, we're fine," Erin assures her, smiling back and turning to nod at the others. "You two are looking a little winded," she tells Fasil and Hassan, who both smile. "Hello Sarita," Erin then greets her brother's girlfriend. "And to you too, Uncle Mike." "Hello," Michael nods in reply, Sarita doing the same. "You must be Erin's famous American boyfriend," he says to Gubio, "the one who's better with computers than Bill Gates." "The same," Gubio grins broadly as he shakes hands. "This is my cat Mist." Mist meows her own greeting. "Sarita Montoya," Sarita then introduces herself. "Hassan and I have been dating for a while." "Pleasure," Gubio replies, nodding at everyone else. "Are you all alright?" Fasil asks them. "Erin, you've got bandages on." "I was wounded, Father," Erin replies, shaking her head as she and the others step inside. "But it's not too bad. I killed both of the people that caused it. We encountered quite a lot of trouble in the Underground City- Abdullah's henchman Yevi was down there, and so were some caiveh who were working for Abdullah. They had placed a nuclear bomb in the mines to threaten the city, and were forcing the caiveh to manufacture drugs." "So that's why you took so long to get back," Mary says, a worried tone in her voice. "Did you resolve the problem?" "Yes," says Bessus. "We took care of the bomb, sent it into another dimension with a genie's help. It detonated harmlessly there. Then we fought with the caiveh loyal to Abdullah and killed most of them, including the leaders. Vincent's imprisoned the rest and should be shutting down the drug business even as we speak." "It was Kovu and Tiara who were the leaders," Erin adds. "They're dead." "I always knew those two would be trouble eventually," Fasil sighs. "What about Yevi?" "He's dead too," Erin coldly replies. "So's the genie," Gubio adds. "Terrell and Annabelle helped us with them. They're okay." "That genie's dead?" Lloky grimaces. "Rats. I wanted a rematch." "What is she talking about?" Michael frowns. "We'll tell you the whole story in a minute," Gubio grins. "First, did you guys make those calls?" "We did," Mary nods. "Michael is here now, as you can see. Colonel Amad and his friends from STRIKE, as well as Queen Noor and a detachment of Desert Knights, should be on their way here now." The doorbell buzzes as she speaks, and Bessus looks at the video display. "Queen Noor and Colonel Amad are here now," he says. "Let's let them in." "Yes, let's," Fasil agrees. "Time to begin our discussion of the Abdullah problem, and what to do to resolve it permanently." "Don't worry, Dad," Hassan says, catching the doubt in his father's voice. "We can beat him. Like you always say, when family and friends are united, nothing can withstand them." Everyone else in the room smiles and nods, then gets ready as Mary buzzes open the apartment door.

Meanwhile, in a deep cavern outside Ankara, Harthoth is watching with a look of wonder on his face as what looks like an enormous robotic dragon made of shadowy black metal prances before him, showing off how it can move. Abdullah and Tariq stand next to him, both smiling. "This is just a demonstration of its agility on the ground," says the evil hacker Tyl, who is controlling the robot from his laptop. "Wait till you see it in the air and water. Or burrowing, for that matter." "I've seen enough," Harthoth shakes his head, waving him to silence. "Truly a wonder of modern technology. My master is pleased too. What weapons does it have?" "Sharp claws and enormous strength," Tyl answers. "Sharp teeth also. And a tail capable of toppling a building with one swipe. Flamethrower in the mouth, also a lightning gun, a freeze ray, and a poison gas hose. It can electrify its body for added strength, and I've put laser Gatling guns on the front claws and Stinger missiles on the wings. There's also a Hornet's Fury rocket launcher in the belly and a rail gun on the back." "Excellent," Harthoth whistles. "I have full schematics here," Abdullah says, handing over a sheaf of papers. "Prepared by my engineers." "I don't need to see them," Harthoth waves the papers off with a smile. "This is exactly the kind of new body I asked you to provide, and you have created it. When it is bonded with the soul of my master, it will be even more powerful. Apep will once again be able to rule the world!" With that, the Egyptian gargoyle steps forward and claps his hands together, beginning to chant and weave magical energies in the air as his eyes take on an eldritch glow. Tatters of deepest shadow begin to flow together from all corners of the room, forming a huge dragon shape that is emitting triumphant laughter. Tariq gasps and shivers as it flows into the robotic dragon and takes host of it. Tyl too is staring at the shape, and frowning under his mask. "Don't worry," Abdullah assures them both in a whisper. "Everything's going according to plan." He chuckles as the robot dragon's eyes shine shadow-black with the spirit of Apep and the screen goes blank.

**END THIS SPOOKY BIT OF RP**

Howdy friends! <grins> Good to be in here earlier this week than I was last week. Thank goodness I can be too. The research paper is being graded even as we speak, hope I did well on it. Life is going alright for me, currently. We hired another part-time cashier at the store, one who seems to know her job reasonably well. And I heard from my friend Officer Newsome, who arrested Gus, that he got the hell beaten out of him in prison on Saturday. Hope it's not the last time that happens. :) On a sadder note, I recently got a test back with a 72 and a note that said "Read the texts." Now ordinarily I can tolerate a grade that low, I've gotten lower in college and dealt with it- but the insult is that I had read the assigned texts. And the answers to many of the questions on the test were not in them. Neither had the answers been in the lectures. When I mentioned this to the professor, he blew me off and called it a lousy excuse on my part. <groans> I wanted to eviscerate him. <sighs> But I held myself back. Hopefully I'll do better on the next test, it better be easier! <growls> Okay, on to comments and replies.

Emmabu: Like Doug and I said last week, congrats on getting through all those trials. And congrats on the good grades and sorry about the bad. Sometimes you just have to live with failure. <sighs> Congrats on getting that program done and turned in too. I'm happy to say I've never had to cut it that close with an assignment, hopefully I never will. :) Good luck on whatever trials remain, hope that the hectic stuff soon eases up and that everything else in your life is going okay. Especially things with the girl. :) I too like that St. Crispin's speech (seen the movie Rennaissance Man? They use it in there to good effect).

Gside: I love an engineer, as a friend. <grins at Tom, who frowns in her direction, then shrugs and walks off to go to his car and pick up Leah> :) And I too like the Cids in the Final Fantasy series. They're cool, and not just as engineers. The one in 8 had a great plot behind him, and the one in 7 could do the coolest thing I've ever seen with a cigarette. Just about the only cool thing, in fact. <sighs> The others were also pretty nice as characters go. Good to see you also like Arlo's Motorcycle Song.

Lady Mystic: My best of luck to Firestorm in his wisdom tooth troubles. Hope they're over soon, if not already. I had my wisdom teeth removed before they could become a problem, by Uncle Bob (Dad's dentist friend) when I was sixteen. Doug still has his, though- the dentists said they didn't look like they'd ever become problematic. Hope they're right. Thanks for updating the CR archives yet again, it'll be good to relive the memories in there. :) When I have the time.

Xenatrek: <reads post about stepgrandmother and gasps> Oh man. That's terrible. <sighs and is silent for a moment> I'm sorry to hear about it, you have my deepest and sincerest condolences. I'm glad her suffering's over, and you have good memories, but still losing someone who was clearly that special� Oh well, it happened, as death always does. Now we have to live with it and go on. Good luck doing that. If you need friends, you know where to come. BTW, your name is Lisa Terwilliger? I didn't know that. <grins> Good to see someone else with my first name in here. Your last name I'm wondering about though. Do you have any relatives with strangely hilarious personalities who also happen to be homicidal maniacs? Named Cecil and Bob? :)

Nadia: Memories like that are often what keep me going too. Memories of many special people I've lost. Snake, Grandpa Ian, many others. Doug has similar ones with Leander, Charles, and other good friends he's lost. Some people are just so special that they create good memories- it doesn't matter how long a time we know them, they do it just the same. And we remember them very well when they leave us, as they all have to eventually. <sighs> I'm sure you know what I mean. <gives hugs> My condolences on all of the people you've lost, may they live forever in your memories and heart.

Warpmind: Yeah, you're going to G2001. Congratulations. Doug and I want to, but we don't know if we'll be able to. Of course, it is rather early to be saying that, isn't it? We are saving just in case, so maybe� We'll keep our fingers crossed. Looking forward to seeing you there, if we go. :) No bilingualness here, though I do speak Spanish reasonably well I'm not fluent in it. And I can read and understand Hebrew but not write or speak it. Very hard language, that one. <grin>

Mary: Like Doug said, your comment about Native Americans being lactose intolerant made us think you were one. Sorry for the mistake. Still an interesting heritage to have, isn't it? :) I have Cherokee ancestors from the early 1800s on Mom's side of the family, the Seminole one comes from my father's side, in the 1890s-1930s. My great-grandmother, to be exact. She died of pneumonia shortly after the Depression, so I never knew her. <sighs> But Grandpa Ian did learn much about survival and the wilderness from her, which he passed on to me. So I did know her through him. Somewhat. :)

DPH: Not every super-powered individual in fiction has a major weakness! Check out Doug's fanfics! You'll find plenty of strong people in there. <pauses> Wait a sec, Seth's weakness is his temper, and he becomes mortal. And Agony and Rachel have major emotional weaknesses too. Bad example. Sorry. :) Hope the job interview went well, good luck.

Mary: Congrats on getting the SAT behind you. It felt good for me when I did it too. Hope you did well. Also glad to hear that you have at least one of your parents on your side. My dad's much cooler than my mom too. And not just cause he's taught me just about everything there is to know about first aid and human anatomy and has literally saved my life three times. But I won't go into that. Good luck to you and your dad in building that altar, hope you get to do it. Don't forget the bird poop shroud, like Warpmind said. :) Good luck with the shrink too, hope you're not seeing him or her because someone's forcing you. :) And that they help you know yourself better, regardless. <grin> Good luck also with the driving lessons.

Robby: Good luck with your projects, hope they don't keep you away too much longer. I too enjoyed The Meteor Man when I saw it, I think I need to rent it again to refresh my memories though. $ Question- Do you mind if real soon Doug and I have the two still living Dirty Laundry Gang members finished off in the RP? You said you had some plans concerning the DLG and the Ten, just want to know if we can facilitate the enaction of them. If you still have them, that is. I know your plans have changed regarding Three. $

Ghost: Very good comments about guns, I agree with you on them. And I would want to shoot that ghoul of a security salesman too, if he'd made me such an offer on the eve of such an event. Besides, I can protect myself well enough, thank you. And Doug and my other friends are also quite able and willing to help. :)

Katara: I thought Clancy Brown was great in Little Mermaid 2 also. "Bigger Fish! Now there's an idea!" ROFL! Glad to know you and your daughter enjoyed the film too. Please convey to her my happy birthday wishes. :)

Shadowrider: I'll look forward to the next time I see you too. Good luck till then. Glad I was able to catch you in here and say hi before you had to go away once more. Be well, future commissario. :)

SOROW: Alright! <grins> Good to see your dad has smoothed things over with you and your mom. Emmabu is very right about the whole situation, hope your mom knows the points he made. Or can be made to realize them. Hope things continue to go well, and your mom soon apologizes. I know things won't really be over till that happens at least. Congrats on the progess so far, glad we were able to help you. And congrats to your football team on getting out of the losing streak.

Happy Belated Birthday Spike! Hope you had a good one. :) Happy Belated Birthday to Dreamie also.

Archwolf: Thanks for the e-mail reminder. We'll get a message out to you about our plans for Shadow Wolf promptly. We're not gonna start them off for a while, so right now there's no hurry. It would help if you could please send us a little reminder of how he came about and his history. I know it's in the archives, but you probably know better than Doug and I what's in there, and we don't really have the time to look. <sighs> We'll get you the plans soon. On your friend and the wedding, well, my advice to you is this: First examine your feelings. Are you really ready to forgive her for the past and patch things up? If so, your own feelings of not wanting to admit you were wrong shouldn't matter. Go to the wedding, and be happy. If not, well, what I recommend is that you make like you're gonna go, then find some excuse not to that works. One that makes her believe you're not a selfish jerk, as you put it, and that you're completely sure won't backfire. That way things should pretty much stay as they are. That might not be the right thing to do- I don't really know the situation, so I can't say what is. I'm sure you'll make the right decision though. Whatever happens, good luck.

Winterwolf: Doug certainly is kind, caring, and giving. <grin> Those are three of the many things I love about him. Thanks for giving your encouragement, he and I both appreciate it. Same goes out to all those who have also given their encouragement to us. May the time when it is no longer necessary be not too far away. Glad you had such a good time at the wedding. My congrats once again to the couple, and wishes of good luck.

**PENDRAGON SPOILERS**
Part 2 of Iris, Lily, and Rose was even better than Part 1, IMO. Still don't get the title, but the story itself was excellent. Very well-paced plot, with many memorable lines and scenes. Especially liked the development on Jennifer and Norman (whose pic we should also get in here), the Merlin and Mary stuff was good too. Great dialogue all throughout, though it did get a bit disjointed in the scene with Braddock, Leba, and Rory. Also liked the developments on the whole Illuminati situation, and on Arthur and Duval. Can more easily see the latter as Lancelot now, though I still wonder how he got to be in charge of the Illuminati like he is. The explanation for his immortality certainly made a great twist. Seeing Nimue again was especially nice, hope it's not the last time this season that we do. The developments with Powell make for a potentially great subplot, hope they are explored more in the future. Liked those with Elaine too, and how at the end the love triangle between her, Arthur, and Jennifer was seemingly resolved. Nice scenes with Morgana also, good to see Sybil having beliefs somewhat in opposition to hers about the conflict with Arthur. I am eager to see who she ressurrected too, though I doubt it's Guinevere. My money's on Mordred or Morfyn, one of her children. Preferably Mordred, he has more potential as a really dangerous villain in the modern world. Hope that something is done with the Grail in TGS Pendragon eventually too, even if it's not used the way Greg intended there are still many potential stories that could revolve around it. <grin> Lastly, great pics in this ep. Excellent use of colors and display of emotions. Still wish we could have seen Duval's face, but his backside's nice enough. :) Looking forward to the continuing developments next week, hope the season is very far from over. <grin>
**THESE SPOILERS END, SO DOES PART 1 OF POST**
Kitainia - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:25:40 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.196.dlls.grid.net

* David G. enters the CR through a door, just for the novelty. He sets a cup (groin protector, not drinking vessel) next to Valentine's desk.

He looks around, scans the comments, then thinks about telling people what he's been up to. Using mental telepathy to gauge the room's mood, he quickly reaches the conclusion that it would be a bad idea.

He quietly turns and leaves. *
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:21:15 PM
IP: 198.215.20.203

Todd Jenson> ah. DPH> indeed. Wilek Nereus> Thanks
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 09:36:08 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-131-7.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

**Winterwolf walks in softly**

Hi! It's nice to be caught up again! ^_^
I'm feeling good, happy and relaxed! Nothing new or abnormal there except maybe the relaxed part. :)
Watching the Yankees right now. We need some runs!

Caliope> <missed you> Aww! **hugz you right back** Thanks Cali! <DC museums> There are plenty of things to see over there. I think you could spend a few days going through different museums and checking different memorials. I've been there a couple of times, spent about 4 days or so, and I still have several things to see! Enjoy the sites! Don't miss the Lincoln Memorial! ^_^ <Cali the sitcom> It would rocket to the top for sure! I wouldn't miss a show! <Hugs wanted and welcomed> **gives you big fuzzy wolf hugz** :)

Rodlox> Welcome back!

Gunjack Valentine> I guess it must since everyone else seems to think so... **shrug**

Niamhgold> Hi Niamhgold! Woo hoo Niamhgold sighting! ^_^ <email> Hmm... I've sent you some. Let me know if you get my emails. I was a little inspired so I sent you 4 new ones in the past 2 days. **huggles** ^_^

Lynati> **looks over your post**

Dreamie> Dern Seattle! ^_^

******BFTS - RP******

Winterwolf asks, "Shouldn't I help DPH? He is going to battle NCA."

Equus answers, "They don't need you right now. You'll help them when you're needed. Right now I need you here."

Uriel enters. "I'm ready to begin the transfer."

"Then let's begin."

**Meanwhile**

A battle is concluded.

Shadow stops toying with NCA. "Just surrender to me and swear to be my loyal servant and I will spare you. Realize that I have not even tried to harm you."

NCA screams out blasting Shadow with energy blasts. "Never! I will destroy you."

Shadow watches as the blasts barely miss him as he collects most of the expended energy deflecting the remaining energy. "I grow tired of wasting time! I'll let DPH and his fellows best you. If you change your mind and wish to live shout out MERCY and I will make you mine." With that he melts into the darkness of the shadows.

******BFTS - RP******

Good night everybody!

**Winterwolf walks softly out**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 09:27:50 PM
IP: 206.15.120.112

*Lynati Enters*

Responses...
Warpmind> *Lynati rereads comments and blushes again* Hey, give me some time and they'll be worth watching!

Caliope> I just have to say it..."meat"ings???? eeygh.

Valentine> THANK YOU! validation! at least I know some one has been reading my posts.
(For those who care, this was the situation more or less leading up to that scene. for thos ewho don't care, just skip the rest of my post.)
the outline was something along the lines of...Isfet goes after the London Rookery of Lucy's generation, which
includes a visiting Ariana and Graeme. Hartoth, being Hartoth, lets this information "slip" to Meryt, who beats Isfet to London and garg-naps the kids for their own safety. Ariana and Graeme's lineage is immediately recognized by her.
Emotional things aside, she leaves her tooth necklace tied to Ari's bo-staff as a message to Brooklyn that she has the kids and they are safe. puts it where Isfet won't find it, but the London clan will. Isfet shows up. finds the kids missing, goes berserk and rips apart their room. Londoners show up, she leaves. Brooklyn is horrified when he hears the kids are missing
and the description of the assailant...I can imagine even Sata losing her usual masks at the news. total breakdown.
"...we can only pray." Griff(or whoever) pales."Pray that they're still alive?" Brooklyn looks up slowly. (Goddess, what his eyes must have looked like!) Shakes his head." If Isfet has them...we're better off praying that they're already dead."
someone-Caspian, probl'y- mentions the extra taunt of ripping up the room...and leaving the tooth behind.
*"WHAT tooth?" * He brings it out to show Brooklyn, who snatches it away...He and Sata go into hysterical giggles. (the kids are safe! wa-hoo!) Everyone loks at them like their bananas until Brooklyn explains that the tooth wasn't left by Isfet,
but someone called Meryt-Isis. Cas and the others are confused-what difference does one dragon minion or another
make? but Meryt, he says, isn't a "dragon minion". "Then where did she get the tooth?!"
".... I gave it to her."
(everyone else says "......???????") Brooklyn does not offer clear anwsers, at least not right away...
How this storylet begins, "middles" and ends is unclear, except that towards the end that scene with Meryt/Sata
occurs. As I said before, If anyone wants to write this, (Or Use This In The Actual TGS storyline) (...doubtful)
Go right ahead! I wouldn't have mentioned it in the first place if I didn't want it to be "officially" used by someone.
(likewise as I mentioned before, it doesn't fit into my ficton.)
and if you do, let me know...I'd looove to see exactly how it starts,middles, ends, and overall fits in.

TTFN!
*Lynati bows gracefully (as you can't properly curtsy when not wearing skirts...*(as if I'd curtsy, anyway)*), and exits
through the curtain folds.*
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Kansas City, MO
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 07:48:26 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

** Niamhgold enters quickly **

Aack, I miss talking to you guys! So much is going on around here, nuts and stuff, talking to people and giving advice and helping them with relationships and their depression because they don't feel like they belong here...Ah! How did I get to be a great, wise person? ;) Well, just popping in to tell you hang in there while I get some time to post!

Winterwolf: Look forward to the e-mail! ** Huggles **

Adios!
Niamhgold
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 07:43:52 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

Randomness> Anyone know where to find a great many Japanese N64 ROMs? :) (I recently made the acquaintance of The Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask and am now addicted...)

XenaTrek> Welcome back! ^_^ Sorry to hear of the tire blowout; glad the movie made up for it. :) <<The worst has arrived yesterday afternoon... my step-father's mother has had a lot of trouble with her heath in the last year... first acute diabeties, altimzer (sp??), artritis (sp?), failing lungs, failing liver, and finally amesia. In my heart, I believe she thinks she passed away alone among strangers in Lansing, MI, I've come to love her as my own grandmother when she entered my mom, brother and mine lives in 1991... she will be missed.>> :`( Sincerest condolences.

James Birdsong> <<As soon as the UCB problem is taken care of let me know. I'll be around trying to undo the damage they leave behind as they go.>> Of course. Hmm...I wonder if the minions of a friend of mine might be suited to the UCB's extermination...

Fire Storm> <<Hmm... do you frequently have tank-driving bears going through your kitchen? :)>> That used to happen to me all the time. I was ticked until I found out they were looking for a job. <<Oh sure! Remeber THAT horrible movie!>> Why does nobody like this movie? ;P <<And for the life of me, I can't get it to work.>> Which method are you using? I'm using the one with the move_object on cheat. <>
Ah. (For some reason I have this image of you standing at the base of a cliff with a vacuum cleaner. ;P) <<*Note to self, find that MP3*>> I think there's a WAV of it at www.soundamerica.com. (It was quite a surprise--after seeing the lyrics, I had my own melody for it, and then along comes this completely different one...) <<Maybe we already have a sanity-increasing device... Books!>> Not into Vampire: The Masquerade or Call Of Cthulhu, are you? ;)

Batman series> All I've seen of this is the movie, long ago. I remember enjoying it; wonder when it'll be out on DVD...

Warpmind> <<As for the MP3 I referred to, check out "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park", in Gside's posted mp3s. That's the one. :)>> Ooh! Thanks! ^_^ <downloads and listens> Great. As if I didn't have enough psychological defects, I'm now addicted to this thing (translation: I LOVE it ^_^). ;P <<Oh, and according to the Bible (or so I hear from those in the know), all magic originates from the infernal.>> Eh? Hm. I've always considered it nothing other than an offshoot of science; merely the manipulation of energies no more supernatural than magnetism or electricity. (At least, that magic which doesn't involve invocation of genuinely celestial and infernal beings and what not.) <<I'm a human, he's a gargoyle; HOW MANY CAN MAKE THAT MISTAKE ANYWAY???>> Well, it's hard to tell species from plain text, and we have a lot in common, personality-wise. :) <<the forms of magic I'm deliberately pursuing are various methods of scrying, mainly pendulum and water scrying (the latter of which, as I hear it, was frequently employed by Nostradamus himself), and I dabble in the Tarot, although with an intimidating accuracy.>> Hm. Sounds innocuous enough, as long as you don't attract the attention of Things that are capable of looking back. ;) <<if I were to go for a superhero career, well, it'd probably be more Batman style... regular human with extraordinary outfit, right? :)>> Me too...probably cybernetic implants, a psionic resonator, maybe a Galbadian Paratrooper-style techsuit...<<Uh, a hint: try to get some sort of cover for it, for when you're not using it. Bird droppings on the altar can *really* mess up your rituals, you know. :|>> I learned that the hard way; unfortunately it was during a summoning. It was quite the surprise, attempting to get in touch with Kthanid and instead encountering M'nagalah. <<Wilek, see if you can't make some use of this wee sonic oscillator, will ya? :)>> I thought you'd never ask. >:) <reverse engineers it into a capital-scale weapon> <<someone who doesn't know how to properly handle a weapon is infinitely more dangerous than one who has mastered it will ever be...>> I learned this the hard way. I had to do some fast explaining to the civil guard after misfiring that scission crasher...

Entity> <<LOL! I don't think I even need to say anything more than that. Just, LOL.>> I aim to please. ^_^

DPH> <<Speaking of which, should the mutates be required to register their presence anywhere since martial arts experts are required to.>> Well, the Constitution explicitly state that the laws only apply to humans (not sure if it affects weapons registration), and I'm not sure the mutates would count as human (although they were born human, so they might). <> I think the Un-Telligence test at www.thespark.com is pretty admirable in that regard. <<Why is that in every universe every super powered character has some mega weakness?>> So the stories will be interesting. :)

<moment of silence for the USS Cole>

Niamhgold> <<Did I miss Dreamie's B-day party?>> Ack, I forgot that...Happy birthday (however belated) Dreamie! ^_^

Lexy> Welcome back! ^_^ <<a humorous section I am going to call "Lex33's Campus Conspiracies" *sp?* It will focus on possible school cover ups in the Onion type format. I just started, and already I have 5 stories on the burner!>> <getting unmistakably evil ideas> I'll bet that if the articles were written in a serious tone and presented plausible conspiracies and coverups, you could eventually incite a revolt. >;) Stupid teacher> Oh GODS. >:/ Why is it that some teachers see their job as their chance to push their political agenda?

Lynati> <<So did everyone else also end up with a part fey (Nemesis inherited it naturally) vampriric character who occcassionally works as a stripper?>> Umm...I have a shapeshifting Halfling nutcase who works as a crimefighter (think Batman with rabies). :)

Kitainia> <<Doug should apologize tomorrow for his stress-spawned impatience regarding them if he needs to.>> No need; I think I'd be stressed (to say the least) in that particular situation myself... <<Thanks for once again stating your reasons for stopping the RPs, Doug and I understand though we still wish you'd do one now and then. <smiles>>> If I get the chance, I'll certainly give it a try. =) <<Hope you don't mind us using your characters now and then in our bits.>> I enthusiastically approve of it. :)

Gside> <<Oh, so you've met Garret Glick? (Note: Mr. Glick is an editor for the Medium, an obscene publication at Rutgers, who tends to write articles on such topics as clown wig, shortish mexican people, and dwarfs)>> Um...<CGPF523> <<Are you saying I should put my clothes back on?>> [Blood gushes from Wilek's eye sockets.] <<And a reference in HHGtG, in the form of a statue of Leda and the Octopus.>> Apparently Zeus was a member of Led Zeppelin. <<I'm rather happy I decided to go for that burner.>> Me too. I have Transformers: The Movie and the entire second season of Beast Machines, and if I hadn't moved them to CD-RW, I'd be out of hard disk space right now. (I almost am anyhow, maybe it's time I moved the rest of my 600MB movie directory...) <<Do you know that you've gotten me to remember that an i accent aigu is Alt-0237?>> Ehh, I prefer remembering the HTML codes (hm, perhaps I'd better start doing so). :) <<So I take it you haven't met Shazam Twix?>> <blink> Never mind, don't wanna know...<<Not until December.>> Ehh, I listen to Christmas music whenever the mood strikes. I seem to remember putting on my copy of Excelsis: A Dark Noel in August...<<That's all? I have bookmarks to 41, and some I link from there. Most are from Keenspot/space.>> Woah. O_O The only one I'm really into is Sluggy Freelance, although Kevin and Kel has attracted my interest (User Friendly and Penny Arcade aren't really my thing)...<> Especially since they've come out with a Windows version that can play Mega Man X2 and X3! ^_^ <<But "the human body is beautiful.">> Do you really wanna send me on *that* rant again? ;P <<Well, there was a little controversy about importing/exporting Playstation2s because they were powerful enough to be used to guide missles.>> But it's so shoddily made that it'd probably lock up as soon as you gave the launch command, assuming that you were able to write launch software for it in the first place (it's even harder to develop for than the Sega Saturn). You wouldn't believe some of what I've found out about the thing. Un grosse merde. (It's not as popular in Japan as they'd have us believe, either. They've sold approximately 4 million systems and only 8 million games; maybe that datum is somewhat outdated, but probably the proportions are the same. That means that most of the Japanese market is using it primarily as a DVD player.)

Lady Mystic> <<Fire Storm's most troublesome wisdom tooth MAJORLY broke just a few hours ago. Now he's got to call off work and find an emergency dental surgeon. Hopefully we'll be able to find one soon and that it will be reasonably priced (fyi, he doesn't have dental insurance)>> ACK! O_o Hope he can get it taken care of with a minimum of fuss, mess, and pain...

Shadowrider> Welcome back! Wish it were permanent, but the important thing is that you're here! ^_^

Nadia> Wow...my condolences. :( <hugs>

Jannie> Gun Refresher Course> HEhheee! ^_^ Hilarious, and it has the added benefit of being true...

Doug> <<Thanks for your condolences. Like I told Kyryn, better late than never. :) Thanks for the encouragement too, it's good to see Kit and I aren't the only ones amazed by all the problems going on at my job, and relieved that they're in a period of easing.>> Always glad to help. :)

Gunjack> <<Only problem is that I was so busy figureskating in my socks in a supermarket that I slept in 'till noon.>> <blink> OK...<<Please, in the name of all that is holy, tell me you aren't talking about a real person... o_O>> I think he was a hallucination. Thankfully, only a few of his nine or so personalities were all that weird... <<"The pleasure is momentary, the position rediculous, and the price is Damnable!" - Lord Chesterfield>> <applauds> It's a rare pleasure to hear of someone else who's quite so sexually liberated (by which I mean liberated from sex). :) <<And while on the topic of FF music, how about The Landing? Both of 'em are great songs to Do War to...>> Oh yes...another favorite of mine is the Lunatic Pandora theme. It has this ominous juggernaut sort of feel that's great for obliterating entire civilizations. ^_^ <<What, didn't you know? We ran some of your 'sanity' through a tabacco press and made Wilek Cigars... The colors are absolutely incredible, though we have had a few random cases of psychosis and spontanious combustion. Handle with care. ;)>> Well that explains Warpmind. ;P j/k <<Uh... I always thought it meant "wierd-chic"... Kinda.>> It does, I think, except in the context of Wicca. My point was that that one guy (ack, forgot his name o_o) seemed to think Mary was using it as an excuse to make up her own religion...sorry I failed to make that clear. :} <<How the heck do you hunt mountian goat with a 40mm Cannon?>> From an armored pursuit skycraft. We got the gunner good and drunk before we started. You should see the side of the mountain. <<the gear is pure death to hump up a mountian!>> You could always try some KY. (That was wrong, and I apologize.) <<This reminds me of a movie; anyone ever seent the old Spielberg bomb "1941"? :)>> No, and from what I've heard, I think I'm fortunate. ;) <<Chafes *what*? o_O>> The limbic system. <<Pour the harsh light of inacurate portrayal upon the hives of cluelessness and apathy that are educational institutions! Havoc and War! HAVOC AND WAR!!!>> PESTIS CRUENTO CRUO-STRAGARA'NA! (extremely rough translation: orgy of violence) hehe <<My sister has a question: do you know where I could find an emulation of Chronotrigger? My sister wanted one bad, and to be honest, so do I... And also, are translated versions of the Japanese-only FFs available?>> Try ArchNacho and Tortilla-Godzilla's Quality Roms (http://come.to/qualityroms); I think I remember seeing most of those things there (but then, my memory is like that of a ferret). <<Uh, it might help to use a weapon WITHOUT a real edge... Unless this duel is more serious than I thought... ;)>> Hm. Better put away the lightsabers, then. <<Three ways in one to wreck your sanity...>> I'll keep that in mind if our current sanity suckers fail (particle ionizing vacuum cannons do tend to be high-maintenance). <<They're not doing anything with it, so why just sit on the idea like a miser?>> These are the people who threatened legal action against three day care centers for displaying Disney characters in murals on their walls. <<Strip a car of it's paint. Now strip a pedestrian of it's clothes. which looks better in good light?>> The car? <<It's a Stabbing Westward morning>> That would actually be a good first line for a song...<<I'm taking up mapping and modeling for Halflife>> I wish I could do that; I have the greatest ideas for Quake 3 models (including, yes, a gargoyle model)...<<And not earn those levels myself!?? BLASPHEMY! :P I've never used a level I didn't earn with my own two hands!>> Don't own a Gameshark, do you? :) (I HATE building levels...I never would have made it through FF8 without the help) <<What's bad is when you feed a FERRET caffiene...>> I use them for mining. Better than plasma field tunnelers.

Jaden> Welcome back! ^_^ <<It's cold and going to get colder until March>> Ack...normally I like cold weather, but I wouldn't like to be out in it... O_o' <> Eee...<doubles over gurgling and twitching with sympathetic withdrawal syndrome> <<I'm on-line enough to get to hang with you guys>> 8D <high-five>

Mary> <> Aren't they all? <<He probably is a Christian (though I hold nothing personal against them, I just seem to meet a bunch of stupid ones).>> The idiot faction of Christianity does have a knack for attracting attention. No wonder we have such PR problems...

Robby> <<Lobo on the other hand, has *NO* weaknesses. He's super strong, can breathe in space, can *NOT* die (the devil doesn't want him in HFIL) can regenerate limbs, took on Superman while DRUNK, and isn't generally slowed down by magic.>> That Lobo? The one who looks like what would happen if Wolverine joined KISS? Hmm, didn't know that...

Katara> <<Today was my daughter's 11th b-day and she was begging for the Little Mermaid 2 video, especially as she got LM for her 1st b-day.>> Cool...something I've been curious about: Is the villain's (Morgana, right?) song number anywhere as good as Ursula's from the first movie? :)

Spike> Happy birthday! ^_^

SOROW> <<She'll ask questions if they involve her or something that we have to do together, and get this...I was coughing earlier today (my throat hurts) and she actually asked if I was sick! I almost chocked because it seemed like she really cared! Whoa.>> Wow. Maybe your dad finally talked some sense into her? (An impressive feat...)

Emambu> <<I didn't like the way the Xenomorphs were portrayed. Some of them weren't too bright. What happened to the intelligent killers from "Aliens" that could cut the power and then attack via the ducts above the ceiling?>> Well, however impressive and dangerous (and cool ^_^) they are, they're only animals (with the obvious exception of Fire Storm). The cutting of the power was most likely an accident on their part that happened to benefit them; I doubt they understood the significance of the power lines. <> Xenomorphs aren't really aquatic animals; probably they had trouble moving underwater just like a human would (albeit not as much, given their strength and what not).

Gasper> Welcome back! ^_^
Wilek Nereus
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 07:06:15 PM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

* BRIEF PENDRAGON BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMMENT *

Actually, Norman Dent's name wasn't intended as a "Hitchhiker's Guide" reference; rather, the character was originally designed as a kind of TGS-hommage to Norman in "Mighty Max", with the surname "Dent" coming from the fact that Richard Moll, who voiced Norman in that series, also voiced Harvey Dent/Two-Face in "Batman: TAS".

* BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMMENT ENDS *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 06:20:59 PM
IP: 216.87.46.106.dialup-stl.primary.net

**MATH PUZZLE**
Yep, the 2 intended solutions were x=-2 and x=3. somehow, x can also equal 0, which makes me wonder if they were more solutions than I intended. I learned another math trick when I created this problem.
**END MATH PUZZLE**

**My religion**
I dare not say which one I am because of where I am. I think that is a good enough clue which I hope no one tries to unravel.
**END MY RELIGION**

**PENDRAGON SPOILERS**
let me see if I can get this straight: Nimue and Duval could be considered step-sibilings. If I am wrong, please correct me. Really, there should have been a reference to "Things Fall Apart".
**END PENDRAGON SPOILERS**

There is a guy out there who has created a gargoyles font. Visit http://www.protoformproject.com/Fonts/Fonts_Cartoons.htm to download it.

**BFTS RP**
DPH, Plastique Saber, Jason Filler, and Frost start to enter DPH's car when a heated discussion breaks out about who gets to sit where.

"I thought I made it clear: only Plastique Saber and myself will be driving my car." said DPH.

Jason Filler replies, "But Mr. Connect is still inside of me, and therefore I should be allowed to drive this car."

DPH replies, "I just finished with a spell to help the driver of this car drive the car. I am not sure if Connect's powers will interfere with the spell. I need to test the spell on Plastique and myself before I consider letting some part fey drive."

Connect, through Jason, replies, "I am not just some fey. I know your style well enough to handle anything you can throw out."
**END BFTS RP for now**
Will the road trip make our heroes enemies of each other?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 06:08:57 PM
IP: max1-3.cwy.cei.net

*A long, mournful groan comes from under Valentine's desk, and a trembling hand feels it's way toward the ubiquitous morning coffee mug. The mug is yanked down underneath the desk, and a few minutes later an ashen Valentine crawls out into the open. He slumps across his desk and groggily scans the posts*

*******Rant*******
Gah... It's a Stabbing Westward morning, and I think I'm begginning to understand why people drink. There are some mental states next to which being mindless, legless, and nauseous seem like a vast improvement. ;P *Slugs down a second mug of coffee, and pops something for his stomach*
Unfortunately, I don't believe in drinking, so I get to savor with perfect clarity the Endless Groin Kick that is life...
**********End Rant********

*Valentine shudders, jacks an mp3 feed, tosses down a third mug, and regains some color*
Ah, nothing like the Muppets/Stabbing Westward musical combo to clear up a philosophical hangover. :) Sorry about that, but life has been using me for spit tabacco for the last month or so... :P
Roll the replies.

Lynati><<I can just see him walking out a doorway and pausing as sata says about/to Meryt "I have great respect for anyone who can get Brooklyn to change out of his everyday loincloth ...let alone into a see-through one"; and Brooklyn's claws go through the doorframe. "Daaaaad????">> Heh. 8) Someone, PLEASE write this. It's good stuff!

Spike - Happy birthday! *Sprays the room with a confetti cannon*

SOROW><> Whoa indeed! She's acting like a... MOTHER! :P Here's to hoping she decides to stick with it.

Emambu><<Good to hear from you. Hope your computer and your life are under control once again.>> The computer rocks. I'm taking up mapping and modeling for Halflife (I've always loved drawing and CAD), and Gside's pointed me toward enough emulators to keep me busy 'till I'm old an decrepit (meaning age 21). As for life, well... *shrugs* ...I'll live, right up until I don't anymore. :P Can't ask for much more than that... <<Hmmm, I believe xenomorphs actually eat the brains in a human (it would explain the need for the second smaller mouth and why they stab at the head) or they capture them and use them as hosts.>> Funny, that... When I first got the AVP demo, my sister had some friends over, and they decided to give it a try. You've never lived 'till you've seen 15-year-old girls screaming "BRAINS! BRAINS!" while scattering chunks of civilians all over a room. o_O
As to the xenomorph's eating habits, brains can't be enough to keep a seven foot tall bug running for very long... and how do they replace the fluids they lose from oozing and drooling constantly?
*Looks at what he just wrote*
Yuck. Remind me to go outside and spend some time looking at butterflies and flowers...
<<Am I right or am I missing something?>> Sounds reasonable to me...
<<If so, I would suggest you turn the tables a bit and ask him how he can believe in a religion that condones cannabalism as a way of achieving a way into heaven.>> Why not just ask me? :) (other than the fact that this Mr. White looks to be in need of a good thrashing...) *Thinks a bit* ...Are the Catholics the ones who stated that the bread and wine actually turned into blood and flesh when eaten? I've always understood that statement to be symbolic... <<No, I'm not anti-christian, just anti-idiot.>> Glad to hear it. Lord knows we need more anti-idiots nowadays! :D
<<Whoever made the post about St. Crispin's day: Without a doubt, this is my favorite shakespearian speech.>> Oh, but I do love Shakespeare... Especially the Kenneth Branaugh version of King Henry V that came out way back. Thanks for the posting! <<Without a doubt, my favorite speech ever (and Henry V has a ton of other good speeches), espcially the part about the band of brothers.>> I'm partial to the "Oh, for a muse of fire" intro myself... But "Saint Crispin's Day" beats heck out of dirty jokes and a pickle for inspireing troops... ;)
<> Maybe it couldn't see the projectile? I'm not sure what Bugs see with, but HE shells might be "stealthy" to them...
<<Remember, SAT's don't take off points for omitted answers. You may do better then you think.>> On the other hand, the "guessing penalty" doesn't exist (statisticly speaking), so guessing CAN help you...

Jackel><<I've been avoiding the whole subject, but I liked this... "If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?" I can dig it!>> Heh. ;D I've got a few, if anyone needs to borrow one... Oh, and before I forget for the fiftieth time, a VERY late welcome back! We missed you, 'Mano!

Warpmind><<Ah, the joys of the sonic oscillator... focuses sound waves at a single point, frequency increased millionfold... liquifies bone in a matter of nanoseconds. ]:)>> Coooooolll! 8) So what's the difference between a SOsc and a Screamer? <<I'm not entirely sure how serious the duel's gonna be - you know, Archwolf *has* mentioned how much he wants a real duel scar... ;)>> Hmm... I guess missing appendages DO count as scars in a certian way... ;) <<if you attend G2001, I might tell you the whole story...>> The chances of my attending G'01 are rather slim...:P
<<Oh, and the knife just *looks* nice - it's blunter than my mind at 6AM on a Sunday morning, and would require an unusual amount of physical strength to kill anything larger than a spider... :|>> What kind of steel is it made out of? If it lists a coutry (ie "stainless china") there's not much hope... But if I get to G'01, I might be able to fix the edge for you... I LOVE sharpening knives!
<<As for the guy with the pentagram... would that be something akin to Charles Manson(?)'s mirrored swastika tattoo? ;)>> Note to all psychos: have someone ELSE perform your personal mutilations... you'll get less mockery that way.
<<Uh... actually, I *do* have a sword, of sorts... a cane sword; a nice, little thing which I can't carry around without breaking a plethora of laws... unfortunately.>> I'm gonna build myself one of those as soon as I can scrounge up a belt grinder, a rosewood micarta block, and some steel sheet and brass...
<<Funny song, that... but, unless I'm mistaken, the name "Oedipus Rex" is incorrect... Greek king, not Roman, which means the term "Rex" is inappropriate...>> Since the romans absorbed most all of the greek culture into their own, what's the difference?

Winterwolf><<Oh, I don't think it's THAT bad... In fact, it'd been danged funny to watch! It's just that the logical results of such a joke usually include the joker spending the night in a ditch... :P

Mary Flanders><<He even says that the reason why the country is so *****y is because we don't have a nuclear family anymore as a whole.>> Personally, I'd agree with him, but that's for a different day... Ooo, and thanks for the Ranma Link! ;D

Gside><<Well, I recognized the doctor's name, but since I havent read the books, nor have I seen the movies, I don't know what he has to do with Sweden, or how often he made pies.>> Well, his nickname is "Hannibal the Cannibal"...
<<One of the joys of college. But then, the days you can't do that, you have to get up at eight, and you couldn't sleep until two just because of your previous pattern. But sleep deprivation builds character.>> Actually, I prefer the normal mode, when I can get it. I've been getting to sleep at 3:00 AM the last few nights, and it's been wreaking havoc on my central nervous system...:P
<<Go to the goats.com archive, and you should be able to find his exploits reasonably enough.>> That... Explains a lot. <<Other than what you said, I reccommend Megatokyo, Acid Reflux, the pair of Full Contact Origami and Rusty Shrapnel, Cyantia Chronicles, Japanese Beetle, and perhaps Supermegatopia.>> Glanced at all of 'em except,Acid Reflux, FCO and RS... Thanks for the tips!
<< Well, the thing is, you could always use it to start an New Game+ and just breeze through with the high level characters, getting whichever endings you want as you go along.>> And not earn those levels myself!?? BLASPHEMY! :P I've never used a level I didn't earn with my own two hands! <<But Non Nobis isn't hard.>> Ooo, but I love that song... *turns on Napster and grabs his pirate hat* Thanks for reminding me! :D
<<Another interesting note is that when Hal gets the list of the english dead, he concludes it with "none other of note," even after he said that any who shed their blood that day would be gentlemen and his brother.>> Nitpicker... ;)

Gasper><<Emotional attachment.>> So get a .300 winnie mag and use plausible deniability... If your loved ones don't know you've commited "murder", it can't hurt them. <<Freeza had none, just his goals. He didn't care, but then again, he's shishkabobed by Trunks, so we know how that all ends.>> On the other hand, there's always Kiaser Soze(sp)...

Caliope><<but I DO know ppl who literary go off the walls on too much caffiene...its just scary :P>> But oh so much fun to watch... from behind bulletproof glass. What's bad is when you feed a FERRET caffiene...

*Valentine winves as his stomach starts cramping from the coffee "breakfast"*

Ooog, I'm outa here. See y'all in a few...

"God bless us, every one!
Except for you. And you. You two get the heck out of here!" -Div, PA Christmas Carol
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 04:33:43 PM
IP: 209-223-253-98.ausa.net

PENDRAGON: �IRIS, LILY AND ROSE� PART TWO

***COMMENTS & SPOILERS***

I missed commenting on last week�s instalment, so suffice to say that I loved it. The twist with Duval�s identity was nicely integrated, and I loved Mary�s flight from Merlin. Having Arthur finally captured was cool.

And this week�s conclusion, was just as good. Maybe better. The only disappointment (sort of) is that Mary returned to Merlin so quickly. I had got quite excited about the implication that the only other person about who�d be both willing and able to sort out Mary�s problem, particularly given her then-attitude towards Merlin, would be Morganna. And whilst it would be a bit like the Banshee, it would have been a great twist.

Nonetheless, the Merlin/Mary scenes were sweet; great dialogue, great characterisation, interesting stuff. The material with Elaine was touching. Great writing here, and it led up to a brilliant final scene with Elaine finally learning the truth. I must admit though, this stuff with Jessica Camford doesn�t quite gel. They haven�t seen each other for months; I kind of feel there should have been a bit more between her and Arthur.

I found Lancelot quite an enigma, which presumably is the effect you TGS guys wanted. On the one hand, a more explicit confrontation between him and Arthur would have been nice � the first time, Arthur was drugged and the second time he let them go without any qualms or lingering particularly long. I guess a more final stand-off is probably in the pipeline for later. I also thought we might have had more of the illusion played up. I guess the only problem is that when push came to shove Duval didn�t really do� well, anything at all really. Which in one respect is totally cool, but in another is a bit of a let-down. Especially with Arthur drugged, so the scenes we did see were less juicy than they might have been.

The idea of Powell seeking to overthrow Duval is fascinating; also interesting is the implication that the leader is actually voted for, or at least chosen in some official manner. Sounds like the beginning of a great new plot thread. As indeed is Norman, who I really like.

Everything�s shaping up really well. I liked the movement around the country and feel kinda sad that it�s over, but this story really does have that �multi-part� climax feeling that makes it seem like the right time to move forward now. (Which is odd, I guess, since �ON HOLIDAY� was 2-parts also: but as Christi said it started out as a 1-parter and still �felt� like a 1-parter in many ways).

Speaking of Christi, more gorgeous art. �How does she do it?� :) That Nimue/Duval picture is my favourite � I love the greying hair of Duval.

Altogether, a splendid episode. I hope that this �Pendragon� season isn�t going to start drawing to a close just yet. I think we�re due for a focus episode on Leba, Dulcinea, Griff and Jessica. And I guess we�ll look forward to Morganna and the mystery person (bet it�s Guinevere) and Braddock�s probable cornering of Arthur. And indeed, Nigel Sefton meeting his daughter again. Given the current belief that Mary is a hostage, if she�s ever identified, that would make a cracking story.

Anyway, splendid stuff all round � can�t wait for next week! ^_^

Trivia note: There was a short scene where the police was trying to take down Jennifer�s number plate. Assuming they were reading from the left, there would have been a letter first. I don�t know how America does it, but car number plates in Britain have the format of the letter (denoting a year, X being August 2000 to July 2001), followed by two or three numbers and then three letters after a space. So X895 ABE or something, if it was a modern car. And even if they lost the rest of the numbers, if they wanted to issue a request on TV or something, they�d help greatly if they specified X-reg or P-reg or whatever. I know it seems a petty point but if it ever comes up again when writing an episode, there you go. :) Incidentally, it�s nice to see that the policeman synonym �bobbies� has disappeared from recent episodes, and been replaced with �cops�. Sounds much better. :)
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 04:17:18 PM
IP: webcacheh03a.cache.pol.co.uk

*Warpmind enters, leafing through a newspaper, shaking his head.*
Oh, dear... more bad rap about the Freemasons... there's a guy on trial for capital fraud, several hundred thousand dollars worth, and what does the newspaper do? They capitalize on him being a Freemason! Tsk, for shame... :(

James Birdsong: No relation? Hm... well, I didn't really expect it, anyway. ;)

Rodlox: Welcome back, you old, hideous monster-type creature, you. :) (What species are you again? Grendelm, wasn't it?) And how dare you suggest that I've *ever* been sane? Hah! At least I'm getting to the Gathering 2001, SO THERE! ];) As for Na'ka'leen being cute... *shudder* the only good Na'ka'leen is a dead Na'ka'leen... Gimme a cute little Minbari chick anytime. ;)

Well, that's about it... see y'all tomorrow, methinks.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 04:14:10 PM
IP: mp-217-199-215.daxnet.no

Rodlox> Are you taking into consideration the last Indiana Jones movie hmm? (hugs my Duval has drank from the grail theory super close and protectivly) Well I've seen that movie oh yes I have :D
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 03:45:39 PM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

Bishansky: <<To all who are experiencing "Babylon 5" for the first time. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Stick with it, you've seen nothing so far. Except maybe for today... a hint of things to come. Well continue watching the greatest Sci-Fi series ever. Star Trek's got nothing on Babylon 5.
I was also waiting to see everyone's reaction to the revelation of Duval's identity. Sorry if we disappointed a few of you. But you were all surprised which is good.
And who ever said that the Grail is what made Duval immortal? >>

Na'ka'leen cute...cuter than Pak'ma'ra.

Duval's not immortal...he's just one of the last members of an Order who tasked themselves with searching for the Grail.

Rodlox
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 02:23:48 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

*Rodlox literally pours into the room, stumbling over mounds and piles of back-information built up over the ages*

HI GUYS.

a few questions:

1) two days ago, I got an email from some guy claiming to be in charge of cleaning up the Gargs archives here {fanfic}...but when I tried to reply, my email system told me that there was no such destination {his email was bogus}. does anyone here know what's going on?

2) is Warpmind still sane? :)

3) has Cassandra shown up yet?

4) how fares the Dammed members of the The Four/Ravens Saga(s) ? {like me}.

I'm sorry for not being around for the past {weeks? months?}, but a lot of forces conspired against me...{though i did get to see several garg 'toons at my uncle's house}...such as sick relatives, family get-togethers, vacations {gnats the size of Bronx and Nudnik}.

Rodlox - [Rodlox@hotmail.com]
balt, md, Aus - i wish
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 02:04:16 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

** Pendragon Spoilers **

Wow. I am impressed. These last two eps have been the best of the season. Excellent.

** End Pendragon Spoilers **
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 01:48:56 PM
IP: humn84-231-dhcp.colorado.edu

Warpmind de InzanE> I don't think Norman has any relation with thee Arthur Dent (hundreds of aliens awe at name) but I am no expert on such things. Incendently **Spoiler in this sentence** I still think Duval is Percival **End Sentence**
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 01:00:39 PM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

Helloooo all!!! ^_~

Winterwolf> Hi! Welcome back! And we DID miss you so! *HUGZ* I'm glad you had a good time at the wedding! :)<<PR>> lol yes, you should come visit me, besides, my driving is getting quite decent I'll have you know! :P I'm not going to NY anytime soon, but I am going to DC in november with my dad! I get to go museum hunting while he's at his meatings!!! Hehehe it'll be fun :) The Cali Show!!! Hahahaha That would be a sitcom, right? Or maybe scifi action series?! LOL :P And ofcourse hugs are wanted and welcomed!!! sheesh! *HUGZ again* :P

Gside> <<Caffiene syrup>> Ok thats just scary. Caffiene and alcohol really dont have any big effect on me (corse I've never set myself out to actualy get rip roaring drunk either, I dont drink much, but when I do, I dont suffer extreem side effects like other ppl) but I DO know ppl who literary go off the walls on too much caffiene...its just scary :P <<renting>> Well, blockbusters has some anime, but its realy sucky, they have only a few eps of each series and not even in sequence which is really frustating, so I know what you mean <> Ah, the henati under-belly of anime -_-;

Well, gotta go! One more place to post before class!!!I'll see ya guys!!! *HUGZ all and poofles*
Cal�ope
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:37:34 PM
IP: 136.145.83.178

*Warpmind enters, whistling the tune of "Oedipus Rex".*
Funny song, that... but, unless I'm mistaken, the name "Oedipus Rex" is incorrect... Greek king, not Roman, which means the term "Rex" is inappropriate... but that's just a silly nitpick, really... :)

Revel: Your roomie is joining a monastery? Uh, which one? (Not the Monastery of the Sightless Eye, is it?)

Mary: Glad to help with such planning technicalities. ;)

By the way... I see a lot of people here study various languages (Latin, Japanese etc.) and I have a question: how many of you are capable of conducting meaningful(!) conversations in two (or more) different languages? Not necessarily at the same time, mind you... ;) I for one am just about as bilingual as they come... English (with a few choicy accents to boot) and Norwegian (strangely, with fewer accents at my disposal than English, and this is my mother tongue? Weird...). ]:)

Gside: Okay, I'll explain the pie joke for you: 1. I said Swedes make delicious pies. 2. I said I got the recipe from dr. H. Lecter. 3. Dr. Lecter's nickname is "Hannibal the Cannibal". 4. So, one may conclude that, while not actually *making* the pies, the Swedes *do* make good pies... as ingredients. Do I have to elaborate further? ;) As for the oscillator... well, just goes to show that the damn thing works, don't it? :) (Oh, and about disproving the ether... picky, picky, they found something *else* instead, didn't they?)

Oh, yeah, the Pendragon episode was good. I really liked it - some good scenes with Norman Dent. (Does he incidentally have a brother called Arthur, by any chance?)

Archwolf: So, you were planning those knot-tipped rapiers... *wipes sweat* good. I wouldn't want to hurt you... (going by the logic that someone who doesn't know how to properly handle a weapon is infinitely more dangerous than one who has mastered it will ever be...)

Lynati: You've signed up for Capoeira class? As in Brazilian combat dance? Woohoo! We'll be watching your legs closely, then. ;)

Well, gotta go. See y'all later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:21:37 PM
IP: mp-217-206-33.daxnet.no

Pendragon: I repeat my earlier exclamation. O_o Excellent second half, though terribly busy towards the end. And it makes me wonder 'bout the future...
Skyrender
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:12:16 AM
IP: edmserv15.stantech.com

Hey guys just stopped in after chow to see how everyone was.
This week is like having a flash-back from Drivers-ed in high school. I'm learning how to drive in harsh weather. Easy stuff.

DPH-The rights to Gargoyles- I agree with FireStorm, 25 mil+.

Shadowrider- Good to see you.

Gunjack-Sorry don't know any Joe Marsh, but who knows, I may see him.

Spike- Happy REALLY late B-day.

Gathering- It's going to be in L.A.? Man!

Well I'm on my way to the gym.
Later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
KoreaTuesday, October 17, 2000 05:15:37 AM
IP: 211.173.195.140

*Walks in using his spear as a cane of sorts.* Will...not....ever....Asst...Stage Manage....EVER again. *Looks at the people staring at the weakened Dragoon.* Sorry, I've not been around much.....Please ta meet ya, hope ya guess my name. Sorry, Love those classical references.

So, What have I been doing, if anyone wanted to know, was working as an Assistant Stage Manager for 2 months on a play by Larry Shue called "The Foreigner". We just wrapped up Sunday Night. Don't get me wrong, great play, but I will never take a position THAT closely involved in the rehearsal process EVER again. But, I'm alive, and better for doing it I guess.

School goes as always. Class, homework, repeat. The DBZ is what keeps me alive, and if anyone hasn't heard, the original Voice Actors like Brian Drummond (The best DAMNED Vegeta this side o' da Pacific)is one of them! So, set your clocks for the Majin Buu Saga, for that's when really get to see the Veg we all know and love.

In other news....
I've completely missed Tenchi In Tokyo. So I'll someday have to watch it. I'm just hopin' to see the movies soon.

Some things.

Silly Question----Ten Saga gone anywhere? Let me know Via E-mail if ya could.

Robbie- I'd tend to agree with you on the Superhero quote. Being an ultra powerful being who can't be hurt is great, but would suck in the end. But then, I guess that's why they made Emerald and Ruby Weapon in FF7. No one person is perfect, take some of the x-men for example. Cyclops would be a powerhouse if he wasn't so hung up on Jean. I guess the big thing here is also emotional attachment, if any to a certain person or thing. If there is none, then you have no reguard for what you protect. If Superman didn't give a rat's arse about Lois, then you'd see a very dead Luthor. But this is where we find the weakness. Emotional attachment. Case in point. Heero could have easily gone to Libra and killed Zechs, but, he chose to take Relena into account, and in saving her, lost a perfect opportunity.

Emotional attachment will get ya everytime. It's all in the accoutability the powerholder has. Freeza had none, just his goals. He didn't care, but then again, he's shishkabobed by Trunks, so we know how that all ends. Acountibility in an all powerful hero CAN make a difference.

Enough on that topic from me.

I can't really think of much else right now. I hope you all are doing well. Check ya'll later.

Gasper S. Keltner - [gasper@icybrian.com]
MN, US
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 04:24:05 AM
IP: 209.83.84.4

Winterwolf enters for a correction

Scratch x = 1 out and replace it with x = 3! I don't feel like posting the corrected formulas.

Hi Dreamie! Thanks for the welcome back! ^_^

Winterwolf leaves

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 02:30:16 AM
IP: 206.15.120.120

:::Bounces into the room:::
I'd like to say upfront, thank you to all that have wished me a happy birthday! :::Hugs you all:::

DPH> <<-2>> Well as long as I got one right, lol.

Winterwolf> Welcome home Wolfie!! We missed you! :::huggles:::

:::pokes Emambu::: How *you* doin'?
^_^

:::Grins and bounces back into lurk:::
Dreamie
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 02:15:07 AM
IP: spider-tm071.proxy.aol.com

**Winterwolf enters for post Part II**

Hi again! Work was the usual song and dance. It sure seems like that place will implode once I leave for good. It boggles my mind cause I'm not that good! ^_^

Spike> Happy Belated Birthday Christi! :)

Dreamie> <Answer to DPH's math puzzle x = -2> Good job! ^_^

SOROW> I'm glad it is getting better but your mom shouldn't need to be reminded IMO. **Hugs**

Emambu and Niamhgold> Dreamie thanks you for the birthday wishes! ^_^

Emambu> Good luck on the make up exam!

Caliope> **Hugz** You said you want and welcome them so... ^_^

DPH> <math> well if you want only non-negative values for x then your equation simplifies to
3x + 1 - x - 3 = x ^ 2 - x - 2 this further simplifies to
2x - 2 = x ^ 2 - x - 2 which simplifies to
2x = x ^ 2 - x which give the answers
x = 0 and 2 = x - 1 to get 1 = x
So we have -2, 0, 1
Oh and BFTS post tomorrow! :P

This was a quickie! Bye!

**Winterwolf exits**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 02:15:05 AM
IP: 206.15.120.120

I just read the newest Pendragon Episode
James Birdsong
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:04:50 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-7.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*Lynati enters*

random news: I just signed up for (Capaeura? am i missing an "h"?) class.
just thought ya'll might like to know.

to those who anwsered me... thank you. things are much clearer now.

Patrick Toman> THANK YOU for that speedy reply.
it has saved me much time.

If I'm not in China in June 2001, I'm comin' to The Gathering!!

*Lynati rushes of to read new story*
Lynati
Monday, October 16, 2000 11:38:22 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

when are the new series going to start? I dont have time to check this so please email me at NJoshi2000@yahoo.com
Nikhil - [NJoshi2000@yahoo.com]
Fullerton, CA, USA
Monday, October 16, 2000 11:27:08 PM
IP: ip249.los-angeles35.ca.pub-ip.psi.net

why would I want to increase my sanity? one reason: mental/emotional pain.

**MATH PUZZLE**
Actually, since none of the solutions involve the square root of -1, you can square the absolute values and know that you are only dealing with positive numbers. I could solve the equation within 10 minutes by using a graphing calculator, but that would have no fun. Here's a hint: all the solutions are integers and I evaluate each expression in my head. -2 is a solution. There is only one other solution that I know of that should work.
**END MATH PUZZLE**

Happy birthday to everyone who had a birthday.

I have a 1 in 3 chance of getting the job I interviewed for. I will not find out the results until mid-November.

no BFTS RP today until I do some consulting. Daphne, no need to apologize. It just means you'll get around message about the archive file being uploaded sooner than I planned.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, October 16, 2000 10:18:01 PM
IP: max1-18.cwy.cei.net

*A confused archwolf wanders in and sits down*

Um...I really got a question. A girl i had resigned myself to hating, just asked me to try ot patch things up again, and invited me to her wedding. Who do I continue to hate her now? What am I supposed to do? If i just accept her olive branch and go to the wedding, I say 'you are right....everything I ever said and did was wrong and you were alwyas right.' If i say no, well, then I'm a heartless jerk. ARGH!
Well, anyway, if anyone has any opinions, ideas, or feel the need to insult me, please do so.
Anywho....

To Spike, Happy belated!

Winterwolf>I'll tell him.

Warpmind> As far as the duel is concerend, i was not thinking live blades. Triplette Competition Arms makes quite a few nice replica weapons.

ShadowRider> Damn! Missed 'im. Oh well...toolate, but good luck, my friend.

Well, I have to go figure out how i feel and what to do.
Shade qand Sweet Water
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Monday, October 16, 2000 09:57:07 PM
IP: viking202-88.dhcp.csuohio.edu

***Kyryn steps in.***

Posting early tonight since I've got to get up early tomorrow.

Gentlebeings,

TGS now presents

Iris, Lily, and Rose, Pt.2

Written by Rahsaan Footman, Todd Jensen, and Alan "Ordell" Waltrip

Artwork by Christi Smith Hayden

BTW, there is a bonus: We have added an additional piece of art to Pt.1. Please check it out.

***Kyryn steps aside to avoid the mad rush.***
Kyryn - [<<--clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Monday, October 16, 2000 09:44:11 PM
IP: denm3-14.iglobal.net

Well, this is another week of labs for me. Incidentally, that is why I didn't post last night. At least on is down.

Hey, Green Baron, why have you been sending "suspicious packages" where Nader's been speaking. I had to go to Tillet to eat yesterday because they cordoned off the entire Busch student center/dining hall.

Shadowrider> <<just...what's a Kilbasa?>>: Polish sausage. Also known as heaven. It is very, very good. Though I'm not sure how accurate my spelling was. Lady Mystic, can I have a ruling?

Warpmind> <<did you get the pie joke *at all*?>>: Well, I recognized the doctor's name, but since I havent read the books, nor have I seen the movies, I don't know what he has to do with Sweden, or how often he made pies.
<<"I don't give a damn about Jesus, just send money!">>: "Free cheese slicer and pound of cheddar for each hundred dollars you donate."

DPH> <<|3x+1|-|x+3|=x^2-x-2 . I bet no one can solve this equation ALGEBRATICALLY>>: That's becasue Algebra doesn't have many techniques for dealing with absolute values. Unless you wqant to put in a bunch of plus/minuses.
<<Why is Wall Street closed on weekends?>>: Because they felt like it. And becauseat one point, it was nearly given that your religion was Christianity.

Lynati> <<is this the only gargoyle-type gathering in th U.S.>>: Only one that I know of, devoded to Gargoyles.

Gunjack> <<my parents forced me to switch back to a more normal pattern>>: One of the joys of college. But then, the days you can't do that, you have to get up at eight, and you couldn't sleep until two just because of your previous pattern. But sleep deprivation builds character.
<<Can we hunt him (her? it?) down now?>>: Go to the goats.com archive, and you should be able to find his exploits reasonably enough.
<<Am I missing anything?>>: Other than what you said, I reccommend Megatokyo, Acid Reflux, the pair of Full Contact Origami and Rusty Shrapnel, Cyantia Chronicles, Japanese Beetle, and perhaps Supermegatopia.
<<I'd take you up on it, but I HATE looking ahead in games... it's against my religion>> : Well, the thing is, you could always use it to start an New Game+ and just breeze through with the high level characters, getting whichever endings you want as you go along.
<<When did [The Prisoner] air?>>: 1967. I believe it's British.
<>: Well, they paid homoage to The Prisoner in one episode.
<<we may have done it the date to our first concert wasn't so soon>>: But Non Nobis isn't hard. There are only eight words in the entire song. "Non nobis, domine domine/Non nobis domine/Sed nomine/Sed nomine/Tuo da gloriam." and repeat, with cresc.
<<Sorry, but there will be no curve>>: I didn't necessarialy mean the quiz itself. Often, at the end of a class, a certain percentage of As, Bs, etc. are given out. Therefore, you really only need concern yourself with staying ahead of everyone else, and things will work out all right.
<<Whoever made the post about St. Crispin's day>>: Eh? No one else mentioned Crispian in this week or last. Though the Non Nobis is only 5 scenes away from the Crispin speach. Incidentally St. Crispin's Day is coming up soon, the 25th. And what is really funky about it is that Crispin and Crispian are the patron saints of saddle makers, but the reason why the French lost was because they were mostly armored calvary, who when knocked down by the English archers easily drowned in the mud.
Another interesting note is that when Hal gets the list of the english dead, he concludes it with "none other of note," even after he said that any who shed their blood that day would be gentlemen and his brother.

SRS Jr.> <>: Now that, is ugly.

Cal�ope> <>: Not coffee. Caffiene syrup. Essentially pure caffiene that can be added to any drink. They even sell pre-caffinated water.
<<Ah well, it IS free ya know, dont complain to much>>: Yeah, yeah. Though it is confusing when almost no one has one file, and there doesn't seem to be any reason for it. There's hardly any of Ranma season 3, and there are parts of Trigun that just don't seem to exist.
<<you dont have a place where you can rent anime where you live?>>: I haven't really looked. Yes, my resistance to spend money extends that far. Though I think the place in the Livingston student center has some. I think someone rented something from there that gave new meaning to the phrases "bouncy, bouncy" and "lonely old men."
<<You really need to look at the sources of pain in labor and birth>>: Like, what is the number of this kid? Supposedly I, the second child, was extremely easy (she even went back to sleep when her water broke), while my brother was a good long affair (not counting nearly being strangled by his umbilical cord).

Warpmind> <<the joys of the sonic oscillator... focuses sound waves at a single point, frequency increased millionfold>>: Quote from professor: "So when you talk, you're cooking my brain." He was talking about how the parabolic nature of lecture halls amplified spectator noise.
<<proving that something does *not* exist is logically impossible>>: Well, they did prove that there is no such thing as ether.

Lynati> <<Is the November gathering a different gathering?>>: You probably heard someone refer to something as a gathering, as opposed to The Gathering. As far as I know, The Gathering is a once a year event.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, October 16, 2000 07:58:45 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

*Lynati enters. by the expression on her face, you can tell it's Lynati the Uninformed*

oookay-The Gathering-why is it that everywhere look there is only information on a June gathering in 2001?
Is the November gathering a different gathering? I think i have heard them both referred to as
"the fifth annual gathering." Can someone clear this up?

*Lynati sits down to ponder the meaning of life and Missouri*
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Kansas City, Mo
Monday, October 16, 2000 07:18:33 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Posting for no reason other than to see the IP address of my school!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, October 16, 2000 07:16:49 PM
IP: border1.henryford.cc.mi.us

Silly me! Chapter 3 has been posted! *smacks forehead* click my name!
Mary (again) - [<-----clicky clicky for my Ranma 1/2 fanfic!!!]
Monday, October 16, 2000 06:04:39 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*enters*

Spike>Happy Belated B-day to one of my favorite artists!!! ^_^

Emambu>I posted at Catcafe.net messege board that I finished chapter 3, but no one seems to be responding to my messege. O.o But I will keep you guys posted about when it comes up on the Net. :) <<Mr. White>> He probably is a Christian (though I hold nothing personal against them, I just seem to meet a bunch of stupid ones). Plus he's kinda old. Only about two years younger than my mom (that makes him about 52). He served in Vietnam, so yeah, he's old. :P I don't think he's been exposed to unconformitive lifestyles like mine. He even says that the reason why the country is so shitty is because we don't have a nuclear family anymore as a whole. O.o

Moron.

Warpmind><<bird poop on alter>> Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Bird poop...Ewww. >:P

Must go now. Need to study Japanese, Math, and Physics. Plus have to see my shrink at 4pm. :P Later all!

*GONE*
Mary Flanders
Monday, October 16, 2000 05:59:49 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

**Winterwolf wanders in**

Hi! Anybody miss me? I've certainly missed all of you! It's sure feels like I've been gone a long time...

Oh you are probably looking for wedding details! ;) Well let me see, I had a great time! It's a good thing there were so many wedding activities! I'm probably just spoiled living in NYC but I found Champaign Urbana in Illinois to be really boring. I apologize if this offends anyone. The wedding was great! Friday afternoon we had a special lunch with the close friends and family of the bride and groom. Later on that night we had a nighttime celebration before the ceremony on Saturday. Saturday was the day of the wedding. It was a beautiful Indian ceremony. The clothing looked a lot more comfortable than the standard tuxedo that guys have to wear. The bride's clothing, it was a sari, also looked more comfortable than a wedding dress but was quite beautiful and elegant. The ceremony was rich, wonderful and fairly short. Everyone in attendance was treated to a lunch of curries and other Indian cuisine following the ceremony. The reception was for the most part similar to others I have attended. I did make a toast and got some good laughs poking fun of my friend the groom. The loudest hooting and hollering going to the following simple line. "When I first met Hanno I thought to myself what a NERD! �" ^_^ I'm sure he'll take equal pleasure in his own toast when my own time rolls around. ;)

Archwolf> <cute little cat got her claws into the elf> Oh! Pass along my congratulations to Mecord! :)

XenaTrek> **waves** Hi XenaTrek! **hugz** <tire blowout> I've blown out three myself so far. On the plus side I can change it with the spare in less than 5 minutes now. ^_^ Hope you get a free replacement at the dealer or at least a good deal on one! ^_^

Niamhgold> Hi! **huggles** <Dreamie's B-day party> Yeah that's passed. I'm sure she appreciates the belated sentiment! ^_^ <how's everything> Well I've been busy with the wedding from Wednesday to last night. Of course now because of that work is extra tough but it'll quiet down soon enough. I believe I owe you a big email on the details of what I've been up to these past few weeks! Of course I'll hope to get one in return! ;) <wedding pranks> The wedding went off without a hitch but I have plenty of funny bits to share with you later! <your workload> 10 hours to get an A per assignment? **boggle** Well you hang in there! If anyone can do it I know it's you! **more huggles** ^_^

Kit> Thanks! The wedding was great! I had a really good time. I'm happy to hear Doug felt a little better. Just from what I see in the room, I know he is a kind, caring and giving guy. In time I'm sure he'll really be rewarded for his efforts regardless of whether or not he wants to be! Of course IMO he certainly deserves good times! :)

Emambu> <programs> Happy to hear you banged it out! <exams> I know I've had exams that it seems nobody was able to decipher or do well. Cheers on the math exam. As for the other getting a better than the average is usually very good when a curve gets applied. Is that happening in the class?

Lady Mystic and Fire Storm> <broken wisdom tooth> Ouch! I hope this is all better now! I feel your pain! Earlier this year I broke a tooth and it was a pain I don't want to feel again. It's nice that it was patched up as good as new. Good luck on getting it done quickly with as little pain as possible!

XenaTrek> My condolences on your loss! **hangs his head and heads off to light a candle**

Caliope> <happy on life> You too! **goes for a high five with you** <go to NY a minor detail> Well if you don't make it then I'll have to go to PR and take you up on your driving offer. I do miss PR it's been a while since I've been over there! <audition> I think you can go ahead and star in your own series! I'd watch it for sure! :) <Roswell> New episode tonight! ^_^

Doug> Hi! Thanks for the encouragement! If I can help I do so gladly! I hope your coworkers manage to continue improving and for those that are hopeless that you get replacements that do a better job. For more encouragement just take a peek at my reply to Kit. ;)

Gunjack Valentine> <wedding prank> I agree that it sounds like a good way to loose teeth. I was in shock and didn't say anything about it earlier. I wouldn't want anyone to do that to another person� Maybe I'm just a stick in the mud but I don't want to be responsible for hurting anyone's feelings. Well hopefully everyone just got a laugh out of it in the end. If so then no harm done.

Shadowrider> Woo Hoo! Darn missed you this time but next week just wait! ^_^

Daphne> <relationship stuff> I think it means you really care about him. Good luck! :)

Okay I'll pick up on this week's CR either later today or tomorrow! Must wrap up here at work! Bye!

**Winterwolf wanders out**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Monday, October 16, 2000 05:47:21 PM
IP: 206.15.122.13

Breaks away from yet another school project*

Well let's see where to begin.
This maybe interesting if not down right frightening. My roommate has decided he wants to join a monastary when he graduates. How do you respond to something like that? I just nodded my head and smiled, but it was about the most interesting thing that I heard all weekend.

Spike- Happy belated birthday. Your my favorite artist and it would be a crime not to wish you another great year.

Still looking for any more takers to go to G2K+1 this June.
Should be all for now.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, October 16, 2000 05:24:41 PM
IP: spider-tn043.proxy.aol.com

DPH>> Sorry about that. I figured I should explain how Jason got back.
Daphne, apprentice-wordsmith
Monday, October 16, 2000 03:02:36 PM
IP: 207.224.2.81

Re: Step-grandmother's passing: Thank you all for the kind words, I appreciated very much. Coyote, Jackie isn't Catholic, she's Methodist (at least one of the protestant faith), but its the thought that counts. Thanks. *hugs*

TV News: Just got an offical email from the source, Xena: Warrior Princess will be hanging up the charkam, swords and staff this season. The series has been an enormous hit for the 'dynamic duo', Robert Tapert and Sam Raimi for the last six years. I know the show will be missed, and in a way I'm kinda glad they decided to end it with this season. I haven't been following the series in the last two or three season cuz the plot-lines were becoming vague and uninteresting.

XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Monday, October 16, 2000 02:15:45 PM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

*Warpmind enters, carrying what seems to be a converted parabolic reflector hooked to a juiced-up portable CD player.*
Okay, that does it... DC's killed my last Diablo II character... *Presses Play and aims the reflector at DC, who starts shaking and eventually flops bonelessly to the ground.* Ah, the joys of the sonic oscillator... focuses sound waves at a single point, frequency increased millionfold... liquifies bone in a matter of nanoseconds. ]:)

On to replies...

Mary: He will? Uh, a hint: try to get some sort of cover for it, for when you're not using it. Bird droppings on the altar can *really* mess up your rituals, you know. :| (Oh, and *do* make sure you have the compass ready before you start constructing that altar, aye?) (As for knowledge about satanism... I know more than what might be considered "healthy" and "safe", but not enough to use the knowledge as a tool nor weapon... and frankly, I don't *want* to learn more... my soul may be a shoddy, mistreated old thing, but I'm *not* about to trade it away...)

Lynati: The Gathering is the annual get-together for Gargoyles fans worldwide. For the upcoming Gathering, the entire Norwegian branch of the Fandom will attend, even. (Sad to say, the Norwegian branch only consists of me, but hey, it's a start, right?) Do show up; info can be found at gathering.gargoyles-fans.org at your leisure. :)

Selanit: Well, you *were* beginning to sound more than a bit inclined to that career line... ;) Ah, and I'll be waiting semi-patiently for that link. :)

Spike: It was your birthday, and I managed to overlook it? Aw, my bad! *Tries frantically to make amends.* Ah, now I know... do expect a nice e-mail soon - a postbox stand, with troll motifs on all the boxes. :)

Gunjack Valentine: I'm not entirely sure how serious the duel's gonna be - you know, Archwolf *has* mentioned how much he wants a real duel scar... ;) Oh, and yes, the airgun I was shot with was exceptionally puny - I'm guessing it was a bit rysty in the firing mechanism, 'cause I've fired another weapon, same caliber, and managed to wedge a few of those .175 caliber pellets DEEP in a wooden wall... As for my Tarot uses, well, there IS the story of how I diagnosed a pregnancy by proxy with my Tarot deck... if you attend G2001, I might tell you the whole story... and I do have these lengthy debates with a good friend of mine, whether or not such a thing as "magic" can exist - I say yes, he says no, and we get nowhere, because I can't prove to his satisfaction that there *is*, but, as any science-minded person can verify, proving that something does *not* exist is logically impossible... ]:) Oh, and the knife just *looks* nice - it's blunter than my mind at 6AM on a Sunday morning, and would require an unusual amount of physical strength to kill anything larger than a spider... :| the reason it can't be easily brought through the airport security, is that the blade is about 2/5" too long... :( But seriously, they'd be likely to stop the knife, but I'd be far more deadly with the roll o' twine I carry in the same pocket... ];) As for the guy with the pentagram... would that be something akin to Charles Manson(?)'s mirrored swastika tattoo? ;)

Oh, and while I remember... to all you who are giddy and cheerful about this 11-hour Gargoyles marathon... *juggles six four-hour VHS tapes, all marked "Gargoyles".* I've got 24 hours o' pure joy right here. ]:) Oh, and before you guys ask for copies... PAL system, guys. Not compatible with the US signal system... ]:)

Archwolf: So, you have many fencing adversaries this year? Well... I'm terribly sorry for this pun, but... you MUST foil their attacks.... ];) By the way, if there *is* a duel between us, will it be with real, sharp rapiers, or the kind with a lump at the tip? (Just so I know before I go shopping...)

Emambu: Uh, link? What link? Sword? What sword? Uh... actually, I *do* have a sword, of sorts... a cane sword; a nice, little thing which I can't carry around without breaking a plethora of laws... unfortunately. (Hey, it's a concealed weapon, what'cha think anyway?) But, I think a fencing foil might be one of my near-future acquisitions, actually... probably an epee, if I can find one at a reasonable price... Oh, and I would guess the Phoenix Gate can translate all languages as necessary... the events that occured when Brooklyn (and Sata? I can't remember too clearly (a common effect of too many dances) if she was there or not...) met that band of Gypsies... he could speak their language, which surprised them a fair bit... :)

Well, that's about it for now... Wilek, see if you can't make some use of this wee sonic oscillator, will ya? :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, October 16, 2000 01:19:05 PM
IP: mp-217-237-19.daxnet.no

Taleweaver>> Thanks!! Those are some really useful links -- the deities list alone will make my job a LOT easier!
Spike
Monday, October 16, 2000 12:13:49 PM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-177.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

<>
Prolly both, huh? ::shrugs::

<<Honestly you're too paranoid!>>
Sorry! I'm just used to upsetting ppl, I guess! :o)

I've been avoiding the whole subject, but I liked this... "If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?" I can dig it!

The United States Constitution (c) 1789. All Rights Reserved.
As far as gun control these days, the US constitution is not a gud thing to bring up. After all, it was printed by a bunch of junkies. One of the statements in there says, we as Americans reserve the right to use any drug or chemical to feel better. So, I'm sure it was great to shoot up sum herion (brought to you by Bayer), and get ur blast on!! Huh? Don't beleive that? Study histroy...

Baby News- He seems to be "acting out" alot more. I'm ready for him to get here already! We dropped birthing classes. Which is all gud, I don't care.

Offical Stuff (32 weeks)- Remember to do your Fetal Kick Counts. Most of the wrinkles are disappearing from your baby's face, and there may be a lot of hair on their head! The weight gain has been fairly incredible recently. Your baby has put on about 2 pounds of weight, mostly fat and muscle tissue, since last month, bringing the total to about three pounds eleven ounces, and measurements to 15.8 inches!
About 10% of women will tell you that labor is extremely painful, while 10% of the women will tell you that they experienced no pain. The rest, 80%, will fall someplace in the middle of the two extremes. You really need to look at the sources of pain in labor and birth. We do know that women who have taken childbirth classes tend to report less painful experiences and have fewer complications than women who have not taken classes.

Bullshyt- HOPEFULLY!!! I'll never have to set foot inside another court room for as long as I live!!! I was sentenced to 48 hours in county jail and of course only done 24 and a half!!! I told them, as I was walking out the door, "You muthaf***as can kiss my ass!!" Jumped in my car and left!! It's not against the law to be an asshole, but there is a fine line where it crosses into Disorderly Conduct. Anyway, hopefully, I have 40 hours of community service for this lil bullshyt thing that happened, sum petty lil fines, after that the judical system's d*ck will be removed from my ass!!! No more lawyers, no more D.A., no more holier than thou Judges, no more having to hear the line, "I'd advise..." To hell with what you advise!! I'm free!!!! I'm happy!! :o)
I'm upset that my tounge is no longer pierced, I had a size 6 in there..., but it's all gravy!!

For more info on the U.S.' drug use, order you copy of "Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way" thur the History Channel.... ::smiles::

See ya!!
jackal
Monday, October 16, 2000 11:07:29 AM
IP: aca7c562.ipt.aol.com

Spike> Egyptian art and stuff. The best place I know is www.egyptianmyths.com It's great at giving an overview of ancient Egyptian culture, hitting on the dieities, the symbols and some of the myths. I also recommend the links page and Odyssey Online, Egypt. Another site from the links page which is good for a laugh or two is Richard Deurer. http://members.aol.com/egyptart/index.html I found his time-warp gallery humorous like 'Late to Work' and the 'First Brunch.' I hope that helps.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, October 16, 2000 10:42:21 AM
IP: henrietta.engineering.csupomona.edu

Hello! *smiles and waves* ^_^

Gside> <> lol yes, I've noticed! I'm so used to not including it, that I just forget to :P <<caffiene syrup>>huh? I dont drink coffe either! I'm not even eating sugar as of late, I tell ya, its a natural adrenaline high! :P <<anime>> Ah well, it IS free ya know, dont complain to much :P So you dont have a place where you can rent anime where you live?

Fire Storm> owch, I'm so sorry! I just had another wisdome tooth pulled out and it wasnt fun at all:P Hope your feeling better by now :)

Emambu> <<Did you get your tests back yet?>> Ack no, not yet! But I'm suposed to get at least one of them this tuesday, so we'll see. And hugz are alway good, usefull and welcome! *HUGZ*:P

Well, I should get going, gotta dig up some Shakespeare info online. I would have thought it would have been easy, but it hasnt quite been so. *shrugs* well, gotta get back to it! See ya guys! *HUGZ all and skampers off*
Cal�ope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 16, 2000 10:08:58 AM
IP: 136.145.83.189

*Archwolf peeksi in*
Doug><<can you remind us of your e-mail>> oops. This should do it.
Archwolf - [archwolf@collegeclub.com]
Monday, October 16, 2000 09:31:31 AM
IP: viking202-88.dhcp.csuohio.edu

[strolls in early, his personal headset pumping out the song, "SHOTGUN" by Jr. Walker & The All-Stars...]

Greetings all... it's about after 5am, EARLY on the East Coast, and I have to get to work this morning. GOD it feels good to say that! Anyway, on to my post:

ALL FLA GARGOYLES FANS - If you're up to the trip, as Spike said I will be at NecronomiCon 2000 in Tampa (go to www.stonehill.org for more info and directions). Mainly there to promote WinterSmith Dreams Magazine, but I'll also be selling/taking orders for prints from artists such as Spike, Cindy "Eden" Kinnard as well as passing out info for Christine Morgan's new book "Dark of Elvenwood"... It's going to be a blast! Plus, this con is one of the larger sci-fi/fantasy/horrow conventions in West Central Florida, so there's plenty else to do besides coming out to see me. :)

Progress is sort of slow on my novel... actually, progress has been slow on all of my writing, including my current TGS project. But, now that I'm working the stress level should be gone, so I should be getting back into the swing of things... will keep everyone posted ASAP.

Well, I need to go get an early breakfast and get moving. The one downside to this new job, I have to be on a bus for at least two hours every morning! Ah well...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FLA, USA
Monday, October 16, 2000 05:17:32 AM
IP: 24129160hfc185.tampabay.rr.com

*Emambu enters briefly carrying a rusty chainsaw that's slick with blood* Sorry for the double-post, but I almost forgot...

Doug: Somehow I missed over your post. I blame it on sleep deprivation and DC. :) Anyway, I'm sorry to hear that work is still giving you trouble. Hopefully, Abel will realize that hiring incompetant workers and then firing them quickly will not help the situation (which is that you guys are short-staffed). *shakes head* Oh well, like you said though, at least you're better then the company that came before. Again, best of luck. Thanks also for the well wishes. They did not go unnoticed or unappreciated. Lastly, I'll try and send another question out tomorrow.

THAT... should be everyone now. Take care, *Emambu hears a faint wimpering coming from outside the room. "Oh, I'm far from done with you, DC!" he calls out. Emambu walks out of the room, turing the rusty chainsaw on again as he heads back to where he left DC*

---Emambu
Emambu - [emambu@commandchamber.net]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Monday, October 16, 2000 02:26:14 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

*Emambu enters, eyes smoldering as he menacingly glares across the room. DC sees this and immediately tries to slink away. "Oh no you don't," Emambu growls as he whips out a rocket launcher from out of nowhere and launches it at DC. The rocket misses its target but the concussive blasts knocks DC out cold. Emambu tosses the rocket launcher on the ground.*

Sorry about the little scuffle guys. *glares at DC on the floor* My T1 line for the last two days has been erractic at best. I've barely been able to connect to the internet, never mind checking my sits or making a full post here. Anyway, I'll deal with DC after my post. That concussion blast should keep him under for a bit. Let's see what's been going on.

Gunjack: Good to hear from you. Hope your computer and your life are under control once again. Hmmm, I believe xenomorphs actually eat the brains in a human (it would explain the need for the second smaller mouth and why they stab at the head) or they capture them and use them as hosts. By the way, the question that I asked earlier was: "As some of you know, I've decided to try my hand at fanfiction (Thanks again, Doug, for the great feedback on my outline). However, I have one question concerning the Phoenix Gate (since it plays a minor role). I understand that the gate is a universal translator. My question though is: Say I'm an American in a spanish speaking country. The gate will automatically translate my english into spanish, and it will translate the spanish from the native speakers into english. However, let's say I told them I was an American and they asked me to say something in English. Would the Gate know to translate my words in English for them? My hypothosis would be "yes" since the Gate essentially let's you hear what you want to hear. Therefore, if you want to hear English, you will hear English. Am I right or am I missing something?" Anyway, that was the question. Good to have you back, too.

Guandalug la'Fay: Thanks for the information. Hopefully, I'll have stories to add by the time th new archive goes up. How's the relocation coming along by the way? *hands him some lins of code* Here, before you answer I believe you dropped these. ;)

King Snarf: Welcome to the CR! Currenly, I don't think there's any way to join the staff. However, that may end after the third season of Pendragon has run its course. Regardless, if you have good Gargoyles fanfiction stories you should post them so we can all read it. :)

Nadia: Glad to hear that you had a good thanksgiving, and that you were able to share it with friends and family. *reads further in the post* Your friend has a scanner? And you have a picture of Brooklyn and Demona? POST IT POST IT POST IT POST IT POST IT POST IT POST IT... and so forth and so on. :) If you have a personal website you should upload it there. You could also send it to Christine Morgan or Winterwolf or anyone else here with a well known site. Congratulations too!

Ghost: TGS is coming soon. Timedancer just finished its third season so you may be waiting a while. I'm not sure about Dark Ages...

Mohammed: Welcome to the CR!

Warpmind: Lol!Yeah, *that* link. :) So, what sword did you go with?

Caliope: Did you get your tests back yet? I'm all set to congrtulate or console. Either way, you get hugs. :) My spanish class insn't until next semester but I will keep your offer in mind. First, I need to take a placement exam though.

Mary: Let us know when chapter three of your fanfic story goes up. *sees the numerous posts on Mr. White* Is Mr. White by any chance a Christian? If so, I would suggest you turn the tables a bit and ask him how he can believe in a religion that condones cannabalism as a way of achieving a way into heaven. No, I'm not anti-christian, just anti-idiot. Mr. White sounds like he has some issues to work out in how he addresses people that don't support his own belief.

Winterwolf: Grrr... point conceded. :) Thanks again for giving me Shadowrider's address. I've got a letter compiled and I'll send it out tomorrow when Pitt's mail center opens (they're closed right now cause it's after 11:00pm). Thanks for wishing me luck on my programming quiz. Too bad it didn't help (see mini rant). *shrugs* oh well. We have a big test on Tuesday (same programming class), so I'll have an opportunity to more then make it up.

Gside: Ponch got all the ladies, hunh? Well, that's definitely not me. :) Don't sell yourself short either. Our director is a sucker for good latin pieces, so we may have done it the date to our first concert wasn't so soon. *reads part about curving the quiz* HAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, but there will be no curve. Yes, our professor is evil.

Whoever made the post about St. Crispin's day: Without a doubt, this is my favorite shakespearian speech. I may be paraphrasing here:
What�s he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin:
If we are mark�d to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God�s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires:
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
God�s peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more, methinks, would share from me,
For the best hope I have. O! do not wish one more:
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man�s company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call�d the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam�d,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say, �To-morrow is Saint Crispian:�
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say, �These wounds I had on Crispin�s day.�
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he�ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words,
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember�d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne�er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered;
We few, we happy few, we band of brother;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne�er so vile
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England, now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs�d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin�s day.

Without a doubt, my favorite speech ever (and Henry V has a ton of other good speeches), espcially the part about the band of brothers.

SOROW: That doesn't give your mom the right to take it out on you. And it most certainly does not giver her the right to embarrass you like that in front of your school. *sigh* I hope the situation is resolved quickly. Glad to hear your football team is doing well too.

Lynati: The fanfic I'm working on has Brooklyn traveling though the Phoenix Gate as the Timedancer. I don't see it as him being picked on (although it does upset me a little at times because he's my favorite character). In fact, the various dances have brought out the best in Brooklyn's character. Read "Requiem," "The Promise," "To the Soul," "Survival," and the return to Paradise series.

Wilek: Actually, it's AOL to a T1 line. I'd say it's more like a wheelbarrow to an A-Wing then a TIE Defender. :) BTW, that MP3 kicked some serious a**! Yeah, I can see why it would remind you of Gargoyles. :)

Xanatrek: Of course we miss you, and I so sorry to hear about your loss. I know I tell this to everyone but at least she will continue to exist through the memories that you have shared with her. As long as you remember the good times, then she is never truly gone from your life. Again, my condolences on you loss.

Firestorm: They give you a stomach ache, do they? Well, I'm glad that I'm off the hook for now at least. :) Then again, the guy that was a real jerk throughout the movie lived. And anyway, one of the reasons I didn't like the movie was because I didn't like the way the Xenomorphs were portrayed. Some of them weren't too bright. What happened to the intelligent killers from "Aliens" that could cut the power and then attack via the ducts above the ceiling? I bring it down to one of two things: Either the batch on board the ship inherited some recessive genes. I mean, for all the speed that I've seen your specis capable of, how can you let a projectile traveling that slow underwater hit one of you? Or, it was a bad director. I'm leaning towards the latter, personally.

*Moment of silence for the Americans on board the USS Cole that were killed*

Niamhgold: Those pictures were great! Thank you again for sending them. I like the face that you gave Erebia in the first one. It's well defined and there's a lot of beauty, but at the same time she has that "I'll mop the floor with if you stare at me for too long" look in her eyes. The smaller drawing in the upper right that shows her attacking only furthers my point. I like the detail on the scepter as well as the stars along her wings. I'll send you a more in depth e-mail on all four of them soon, but I just wanted to let you know now, how much I liked them.

Kitainia: Sounds like you've been going through a simliar hectic workload. Glad you're slowly getting back your free time. I hope that research paper goes well for you. Also, thanks for the well wishes. Like I said, I did well on my math but poor on my programming quiz (although no one did well). *Shrugs* I'll just have to study harder. Let me know how Bedazzled is, since you'll probably get a chance to see it before I do. :)

Lady Mystic: I'm sorry to hear about Firestorm's tooth. Hopefully, all will be worked out. I'll keep my fingers crossed just in case though.

Showrider: Hey, it's great to hear from you!! I'm sorry I couldn't say something sooner. *glares at DC who's still unconscious* I'm also sorry that I couldn't send a letter sooner then tomorrow. I don't know if you saw my mini rant about mid-terms. I hope all is well in the military. By the way, do you know how long it taks for mail coming from the US to reach you? *shrugs* No big deal if you don't, I was only being curious. Hope to hear from you in a week.

Daphne: Remember, SAT's don't take off points for omitted answers. You may do better then you think.

Jaden: Best of luck to you during your tour in Korea. Stop in a say in hello when you get the chance

Dreamie: Hope you had a happy birthday. I know I wished it once already, but there's no harm in doing it again, right? :)

Spike: No fair, I HATE it when my mom does that. :) That's how she gets me to do something. Must... resist... oh I give in. :) Happy belated birthday! Hope it was special for you.

That's all for now. Take care everyone. *Emambu walks over to DC who is groaning and tying to stand. Without pause, Emambu lifts him up by his shirt and glares at him. "First, you kill my internet connection, and then you make me miss my FRIEND!" DC trembles nervously as Emambu drags him out of the CR room. Emambu then pops his head back in quickly, "Sorry, but what I'm about to do to DC may be unsuitable for younger readers." Emambu exits again. Off in the distance, DC's screams and the sound of a rusty chainsaw can be heard before Emambu moves to a more secluded spot, effectively cutting off the noise.*

---Emambu
Emambu - [emambu@commandchamber.net]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Monday, October 16, 2000 01:27:32 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

Archwolf: Well, if you hear from Mecord, give him our regards. And a reminder that we'll be using his characters in the RP in his absence unless he comes in here himself and says it's not okay. And please, can you remind us of your e-mail? We'll send our plans for Shadow Wolf to your address once we know it. Thanks.
Doug & Kit
Monday, October 16, 2000 12:57:14 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.156.dlls.grid.net

Christi> Sorry I missed your birthday, but I hope it was a good one :)

Coyote> That's especially nice of you to say that.

Thanks to all who are encouraging me with the situation with my mom. Here's the deal so far... I told my dad the whole story and how she yelled at me and ruined my Senior game and he said that he had no idea what was going on. Ever since then, my mom has been *civil* with me. This means that he probably talked to her. She'll ask questions if they involve her or something that we have to do together, and get this...I was coughing earlier today (my throat hurts) and she actually asked if I was sick! I almost chocked because it seemed like she really cared! Whoa.

Oh, one last thing. Ya know how I always say that my school's football team is the worst in the state because we've only won about four games in ten years? Well...we've won four out of six games this season! WE'RE OUT OF OUR LOSING STREAK AND WE'RE KICKING BUTT!
SOROW
Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:24:36 PM
IP: a020-0953.dll2.splitrock.net

Lynati > info about the Gargoyle Olympics can be found in the most recent issue of Avalon Mists at Gargoyles Fans ( http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/ ).
And for my reports on the past 4 Gatherings, you can click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/gargoyles.html

Spike > happy belated from over here too! Hope it was a great one!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:21:43 PM
IP: 14-076.009.popsite.net

Spike - sorry this is late, but Happy Birthday! Would have said it yesterday, but my puter decided to go awol. Hope you had a good one.
BrooklynX - [brooklynx_2000@yahoo.com]
Sacramento, CA
Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:02:20 PM
IP: adsl-63-204-74-67.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*Lynati enters*

*Possible Spoilers*
I have been doing a little rereading, and i have a wondering- the whole unseelie war must have thrown a lot of magics out of balance, right? Is there any chance that Meryt's shabti is no longer bound to Egypt? (I don't expect her to go looking up Brooklyn or anything, but I think it would be nice if she had a chance to go visiting other clans...Or a neccessity, if Isfet is going to...er, be more prominent in any current events. Although-I would just _Love_ for her to coincidentally be assisting the London clan and have Brooklyn and the other Wyverner's show up. Him having to explain to the rest of the clan her being his, well, ex-fiancee is an accurate term. I could also see Sata asking rather publicly to hear the tale of how Brooklyn came to swear off mead...and Meryt oblidging her. I can just see him walking out a doorway and pausing as sata says about/to Meryt "I have great respect for anyone who can get Brooklyn to change out of his everyday loincloth ...let alone into a see-through one"; and Brooklyn's claws go through the doorframe. "Daaaaad????" ahh, the expressions on everyone else's face! Hey, if anyone DOES want to use this scenario, feel free! as neither Meryt nor Sata exist in my Ficton (Not a mispelling, just read spider robinson's "Callahan's Place" series) ,I can't use this scene in my stories. But i am just to amused by it for it to be wasted...

TTFN
*Lynati dances out listening to a poorly dubbed tape of Gaelic Storm's Herding Cats album.*
Lynati
Sunday, October 15, 2000 09:47:43 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Patrick Toman> darn
James Birdsong
Sunday, October 15, 2000 09:19:58 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-123.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

:::Peeks out of her lurk state:::

***DPH's Math PUZZLE***
A Shot in the dark here D.... x=-2
***End Math PUZZLE***

:::Dissapears back to lurk mode::: ^_^
Dreamie
Sunday, October 15, 2000 08:48:14 PM
IP: spider-to071.proxy.aol.com

Some web site updates of my own for a change... I've just uploaded some new material to Puck's Place, my little gateway page to The Aerie. Updates include a new archive of Madame Destine's fanfic and (drumroll and fanfare) my own comment board. :)

Clickie, clickie below!
Patrick Toman
Sunday, October 15, 2000 08:12:47 PM
IP: ac87bec3.ipt.aol.com

AAAAAAACK!! The e-mail was wrong, here's the right one!!
Coyote again - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 15, 2000 08:12:43 PM
IP: 216.28.101.80

Archwolf: It's 2004. Clicky the name link for info. Page is gonna be updated soon, probably after this weekend when I try to court some vendors and potential guests ... :)

And looky ... we got staff e-mail. Oh joy!

**feeling very silly this evening**
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_)city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 15, 2000 08:11:43 PM
IP: 216.28.101.80

*Archwolf strolls casually into cr, looking relaxed* Life in general is good. Finally got more free time, so hopefully I will be getting to post regularly.

Doug and Kit> $Right now, Shadow Wolf is just sitting around Thailog's HQ gathering intel for himself and Mec's evil characters, as well as looking for any kind of opportuinty to cause what ever damage he can to anyone. If you have ideas and plans, just lemme know. I will hopefully be getting back into the RP soon, using mostly the WinterBlade character. As for Mecord, well, a cute little cat's got her claws inot him, so it may be a while before we see him again.$

*looks at Fencing schedule* Sheesh...we go all over the place this year....Detroit twice...too bad it is a couple years early for the Detroit Gathering (when is that? '02 '04?) Gonna be a busy year....

Oh yeah, for all you out there who got to watch the 11 hour Garg-a-thon, PTHHBBBBBBBBBBBBBB! NO FAIR!

Uh oh...RL calls again
*Florishes Rapier in salute to all, and quietly leaves*
Archwolf
Sunday, October 15, 2000 07:58:36 PM
IP: viking202-88.dhcp.csuohio.edu

Just curious as to when the next Gargoyles episode will be out! (ballpark figure?)
Spore chan - [belleria@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 15, 2000 05:36:39 PM
IP: lsanca1-ar8-186-032.dsl.gtei.net

Jaden><<Here I am! Well I'm in Korea now and so far I'm enjoying the experience and look forward to the end of my tour.>> Glad to hear it!. *thinks a bit* ...Hey, I know a guy who shipped out there six months or so ago... You haven't met a Joe Marsh, have you? <<Everyone is very nice and helpful, the environment is beautiful, green trees, hills and mountains. I plan to take about 30 days vacation and either go home or Austrailia.>> Lucky... We're comming to the end of the thirty days that pass for fall in texas, and all the plants are dying... :P <> Looking forward to it!

DPH><<and yet now all I have to do is chuckle to see if perhaps a movie shall be made about the Pharoh, Bookworm, or Eggman>> PLEASE don't say that out load... It might give them ideas! :P

Doug><<Guess my headache was getting in the way of my reading more than I thought last night, sorry about that and the confusion.>> No sweat. I thought it was kinda funny, actually... :) <<The guy I vote for may not even win the election, and I've sent many letters to my Congresspeople and Senators and yes, the President too, and had them all ignored.>> Maybe campeign contributions would help... :P

Kitainia><<Then Cobra and Snake told me about how coyotes had killed their dad's livestock all the time when they were young, and how one of them had also killed their favorite dog.>> That would certianly make it easier... <<The specter of knowing what a gun can do to a living creature hanging over you even as you shoot at a nonliving object is a powerful incentive to use one safely and well. :)>> I've never shot one at living targets, but just watching what they do to the ground (and feeling what they do to my wrist and shoulder) is enough to treat 'em respectful-like...

Warpmind><<So, my great concern is: go for an epee... or look for a daikatana, which has a slightly longer blade, and thus gives me a little more of a fighting chance... ;)>> Uh, it might help to use a weapon WITHOUT a real edge... Unless this duel is more serious than I thought... ;)
<<So, an airgun does fall under your definition of "gun", then?>> A gun, in my book, is anything that uses gunpowder. There are some REALLY interesting exceptions (starting with the dart rifle I'm building), but for the most part airguns are harmless. Sure, you can lose an eye with one, but you can lose an eye cooking doughnuts... <<Heck, the damn thing was fired into my leg, and it didn't even pierce my jeans, far less leave a bruise.>> Musta been REALLY weak... My pellet pistol woulda left the pellet in your leg. :P Around here, the real competitive sport is "BB gun wars"... I've never gotten involved, but my friends have got some great stories... :)
<<However, the forms of magic I'm deliberately pursuing are various methods of scrying, mainly pendulum and water scrying (the latter of which, as I hear it, was frequently employed by Nostradamus himself), and I dabble in the Tarot, although with an intimidating accuracy.>> I've gotta admit that I don't believe ANY of that works, but we gotta sit down some time and see if you can convince me... :) <<I have deadly weapon technology at my disposal, and *that* didn't cost me more than, oh, maybe five bucks? (A nice folding knife, bought in Prague - dirt cheap. Too long to bring through airport security, though - believe me.)>> Heh. I once forgot I had a Ka-Bar(marine combat knife) and a Recon Tanto in the bag I put through the X-Ray machine... Scared me half to death when they stopped my baggage. :P What steel did they use in the folder?
<<their leader had a pentagram painted on his chest. With one point up, two down. Someone obviously hadn't done his homework there, right? :)>> Maybe he painted it on himself, and forgot to flip it... ;)

Firestorm><> You're probably right, but trying to confiscate weapons is about the worst course they could take... :P <<fortunately, the pain stopped after 12 hours.>> Gah... That's what happened the first day I got home from having four taken out... I didn't take enough of the pain meds, and I was afraid to take more... :P <<Unfortunately, they are gonna give me a wholelotta NEW pain Tuesday.>> Just remember to ask for hallucinogens and strong narcotics. By NAME!
<<No, but I played the AVP:Aliens Demo. :)>> Ah, yes... the AVP demos... The Marines demo was so tense I had to go sit in a quiet room after every life (No! Anything but that squelching sound!), the Predator demo was annoying, and I got a little too... Involved... in the Aliens demo. :P Three ways in one to wreck your sanity... <<IF you could convince Disney to sel the rights to Gargoyles (I SERIOUSLY doubt they would, though) It would probally be in the neighborhood of $25mil+>> I don't doubt you, but why? They're not doing anything with it, so why just sit on the idea like a miser?

DPH><<Does anybody have any idea how much money Disney would be willing to sell the rights to Gargoyles for?>> That's the million dollar question... No pun intended. :P

Selanit><<Wow. That was incredible. It has been at least TWO YEARS since I got to see any Gargoyles eps, but last night I sat and watched ELEVEN SOLID HOURS of them.>> Whoa! *Curses lack of TV* One of these days, I'm gonna have to experience that... <<I'm beginning to think the computer must be hexed. >:-(>> Ugh... I think I'd have to kill someone under those curcimstances... :P <<Friday I will continue work on translating Serpentum et Draconum Historiae.>> Ok, I only know one language, and I'd flunk instantly in a class like that. But still... You are one lucky punk! :D Share any especially cool bits you run across, 'kay? <<The project is going slowly; once I have a reasonable ammount translated (ie more than a few sentences) I'll put it up on the web and send you a link, okay? :-)>> Excellent!

Robby<<"You aren't a hero if you have super powers. If you're more powerful than your enemy and you can't be hurt, that doesn't take any bravery and make you a hero. A true hero will face danger knowing he can be hurt.">> Good quote!

Gside><<Amateur. I've been averaging two. But there was that time my roomie left for New York, came back around four, and I still hadn't moved.>> I used to do that too back when I first started posting in here, but my parents forced me to switch back to a more normal pattern... <<So I take it you haven't met Shazam Twix?>> No, I haven't. Can we hunt him (her? it?) down now? <<Yup. Who was it that sneezed?>> Don't know. All I remember is the world leaders all having the wrong brains when reconstituted... :) <<That's all? I have bookmarks to 41, and some I link from there. Most are from Keenspot/space.>> That's eight series that I actually care about; PA, PvP, Elflife, CRfH, Walky, Bruno, Alice, and Sluggy. Everything a body needs. :)
I looked through the rest of the archives, and not much else caught my interest. Am I missing anything? <<Just about anywhere.>> Thanks for the addies! I promise I'll give the ROMs a good home... ;D <<If you want, I can post a .zst and/or .srm with all characters but Magus at **. That was just my own bragging, so you can ignore it.>> I'd take you up on it, but I HATE looking ahead in games... it's against my religion.
<<Well, I don't think it's a good thing if I die of a heart attack before the cancer gets me (from both family history and Jersey).>> Ick. Heart attack sounds preferable...
<<Just rabbit. But I don't mind. Is there much of a difference?>> Don't know, but chinchilla is what they used in Lunar... <<But "the human body is beautiful." I always liked that Whose Line clip.>> "Strip a car of it's paint. Now strip a pedestrian of it's clothes. which looks better in good light?" -P.J. O'Rourke's Automobiles vs. Pedestrians. <<Apparently someone beat him to it. Most notably the Japanese. Who are probably to blame for his tentacle problems.>> Not going near that one. <<Really funky TV series. A spy who just resigned is put in a prison called the Villiage. Everyone is a number, there's a killer weather balloon, and I believe it ends with a trial with a seesaw, a chanting jury, and witness pits.>> Sounds VERY cool... When did it air? <<Ever seen Reboot season 3?>> I think I saw two episodes... maybe. <<Well, there was a little controversy about importing/exporting Playstation2s because they were powerful enough to be used to guide missles.>> That... is a load of crap. A wire-guided missle doesn't need ANY computers, and you don't need anything more than WG for terrorism...

*Looks at his watch*

Time to roast weenies...
Peace, Love, Dope!
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Dallas, TX
Sunday, October 15, 2000 04:56:26 PM
IP: 209-223-253-156.ausa.net

Thanks to everyone that wished me a happy birthday (and if you didn't -- *makes that diappointed mommy noise*)

I got suckered into doing a weekly art lesson at my son's school. The first subject is Egyptian art and with all this talk of heiroglyphics, I thought I'd ask -- would anyone like to direct me to their favorite Egyptian website? I've researched several so far and am still looking for good ideas on school projects.

Gargoyle-related news: Stephen Sobotka Jr. is going to be at NecronomiCon 2000 in Tampa, FL, next weekend to be promoting Wintersmith Dreams and selling some art prints from several of Gargoyles fandom artists. (Yes, he's peddling some of mine.) If you're in the neighborhood, drop by!!
Spike - [cshayden@juno.com]
Sunday, October 15, 2000 04:40:29 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-46.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Warpmind:
<<Selanit: You're translating Egyptian hieroglyphics, Anglo-Saxon AND Latin works? *Blinks* Are you or are you not a Call of Cthulhu investigator in your spare hours? ;) >>

Um, no. Not a Call of Cthulhu investigator. I'm taking an introductory level class in heiroglyphs, and doing some Anglo-Saxon for fun (extracurricular.) The Latin is the only language I have a definite project in.

<<(Oh, and I *still want a copy of that translation of Serpentum et Draconum Historiae... please?)>>

The project is going slowly; once I have a reasonable ammount translated (ie more than a few sentences) I'll put it up on the web and send you a link, okay? :-)
Selanit - [selanit@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 15, 2000 04:02:01 PM
IP: smit18-103-dhcp.resnet.colorado.edu

*Lynati breezes in through curtains*

Photos came out pretty spiffy like...I guess the fountain thing is now justified.

DPH> Why would you WANT to increase sanity?!!

Christine> What's the Gargoyle Olympics? I amy have submissions.

And can someone explain about the "Gathering" ?
new membership for what?
Also-is this the only gargoyle-type gathering in th U.S., or are there others?
(I would like to go-I've never been to a con of any sort. But I doubt I can make it this year. Although...it IS on my "list of social improvement" to both do more traveling and to be morre spontaneous....Well, maybe I should just save up and make sure to go NEXT year. What to you peoples think?)

*Lynati exits, pausing to snag one of Nadia K's hankies and tucks it into her sash. (Looking at her sash reminds her of how negligent she has been at keeping up her training,so she races off to practice before the art world or the computer world can swallow her again.)*
Lynati - [Lynati_1]
Kansas City, MO
Sunday, October 15, 2000 03:43:22 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

Warpmind><<Satanic leader with upright pentagram>> HA! That's funny! ^_^ Yeah, the pentragram (or pentacle in some cases) with the one point facing up is for Wiccan and earth-based withces. It's supposed to be pointed down if you knew something about satanism. ;P <<Dad more open mined about Wicca>> Yeah, my dad can be pretty cool about it. :) He even said he might, just might, help build an alter for me in the backyard. ^_^

OK, my dad's taking me for a drivering lesson now. Talk to you later!

P.S. I messed up on the wording when I said I had my Driver's Permit. I meant my Learner's Permit. Silly me! ;P

*GONE*
Mary Flanders
Sunday, October 15, 2000 03:24:23 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

James > Burbank is just north of Los Angeles. The hotel where Loscon 27 is being held is right across the street from the Burbank Airport (BUR) and about 45 minutes from Los Angeles International Airport (LAX).
Patrick Toman
Sunday, October 15, 2000 02:05:17 PM
IP: aca320d6.ipt.aol.com

Robby - I see your point. I, also, think that a character that can not become increasingly more powerfull without something external increased the power. All characters need to reach a limit on how powerfull they can become on their own.

I have a job interview Monday after work and I hope it goes well.

**MATH PUZZLE**
Ok, the mathematical side of me comes out from time to time. the absolute value of the sum of 1 and three times X minus the absolute value of the sum of X and 3 equals the sum of X squared, -1 times X, and -2. The equation looks like
|3x+1|-|x+3|=x^2-x-2 . I bet no one can solve this equation ALGEBRATICALLY. It took me all of maybe 60 minutes to come out with the equation.
**END MATH PUZZLE**

**POLY TICKS or is it POLITICS**
A politician is one who practices POLY TICKS. But what is a statesman?
**END POLY TICKS or is it POLITICS**

That's all for now folks.

**RP RELATED**
I caught with the BFTS RP archive again, until Daphne posted. Oh well.
**END RP RELATED**

Why is Wall Street closed on weekends?
dph_of_rules@yahoo.com - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, October 15, 2000 01:54:02 PM
IP: max1-14.cwy.cei.net

Patrick Toman> Is that anywhere near Rancho Penasqitos of San Diego California?
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, October 15, 2000 11:54:46 AM
IP: proxy1-external.pwy1.sdca.home.com

*Warpmind enters, performing nunchako drills with a rubber chicken.*
Gotta have a weird entry... seemed good as any. ;)

Shadowrider: Ale is the best... *re-reads comment* Oh, *Alessia* is the best thing... best wishes, amigo. :)

Selanit: You're translating Egyptian hieroglyphics, Anglo-Saxon AND Latin works? *Blinks* Are you or are you not a Call of Cthulhu investigator in your spare hours? ;) (Oh, and I *still want a copy of that translation of Serpentum et Draconum Historiae... please?)

Daphne: I don't know if this has much bearing on your situation, but... I'd guess d), a combo of a) and b). c) seems altogether unlikely, what with how you described the situation... but hey, I've *zilch* experience with relationships, so I'm absolutely not the one you'd want to go to for counsel. ;)

Mary: So, your father is more open-minded about religion than is your mother, I presume? (Seeing that he bought you that Wicca book and all...) *Snaps fingers* which reminds me... A TV show I'm following, an Austrian show called "Moon Lake Murders" (murder mysteries, go figure...) had an amusing blooper recently, one which I figure you may find amusing or infuriating, as I did... one ep involved a cult of hobby-satanists... their leader had a pentagram painted on his chest. With one point up, two down. Someone obviously hadn't done his homework there, right? :) (One might wonder, though, why all these hobby-satanists bother at all? I'm no expert in demonology, but I know that if you don't know precisely what you're messing with, DON'T!)

Robby: Aw, yeah! Meteor Man! That one was HILARIOUS! ("You got bus fare?") Y'know, I'd *really* like some of those powers (but that extensive recharge time seems a bit harsh, though), but if I were to go for a superhero career, well, it'd probably be more Batman style... regular human with extraordinary outfit, right? :) (Which reminds me, I *really* ought to get to see the movie "Blankman", which is about possibly most poorly equipped superhero ever...)

Gside: Out of curiosity... did you get the pie joke *at all*? (If not, see who gave me the recipe.) Oh, and as for worship, well... e-mail me for the necessary bank account information. *Ponders* Hmmm... maybe I should become a Televangelist? "I don't give a damn about Jesus, just send money!" *Ponders* Nah, I think that one's been used...

Well, that's 'bout it for today... later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, October 15, 2000 11:34:29 AM
IP: mp-217-237-188.daxnet.no

Attention all Gargoyles fans in southern California! The Gathering staff needs your help as we take word of the upcoming Fifth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles to Loscon 27, the annual Los Angeles Regional Science Fiction & Fantasy Convention, happening the weekend of November 24-26, 2000 at the Hilton Burbank Airport in Burbank, CA.

Gathering con staffers including myself, Jennifer Anderson, and Christine Morgan will be in attendance on Saturday, November 25, distributing flyers and collecting new memberships... as well as showing off our "Gargoyles" costumes at the Loscon masquerade.

If you live in the area, we invite you come on out and join us at the con! And If you're a veteran of previous Gatherings, pull one of those old "Gargoyles" costumes out of the closet one more time and join us for the masquerade, as well.

For more information on Loscon, please visit their web site at: http://www.loscon.org/loscon/27/

And if you think you'd like to come out and join us on Saturday, November 25, please e-mail us and we'll make sure to keep you updated on our plans so all the Gargoyles fans can hook up once they arrive at Loscon. Send your letters, subject line "Loscon" to: gathering2001@art-chicks.com

Also, we now have a shiny new comment board that you can stay tuned to for news and info (link below).
Patrick Toman - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com]
Sunday, October 15, 2000 11:12:04 AM
IP: ac8e557f.ipt.aol.com

Right on. I'll leave in a couple of hours to return to the Regiment, so it's a goodbye. Anyway, it is probable that I'll be online again next week, so we'll see quite soon.

Doug:> You're welcome. No surprise that many people mourned Charles: as I said, seems to me he was a very relevant person.
See you next time.

Kit:> Well, let's hope that no other Gus' friend/relative show up...although, if he was a good example of his family standards, you have nothing to be scared of.
It was a pleasure to see you again, and will wait impatiently for the next time.

Niamhgold:> Got your email, now check yours! See you next time!

Gside:> I'll follow the advice, for sure...;)...just...what's a Kilbasa?

Gotta go now, stay well everyone.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Sunday, October 15, 2000 09:05:44 AM
IP: h217-166-140.mi2.albacom.net

Apparently it is time CSH a happy jour de naissance. En cette notte, joyeaux aniversaire, Mme. CSH.
Sorry about that, bad French flashback hit me.

Gunjack> <>: Amateur. I've been averaging two. But there was that time my roomie left for New York, came back around four, and I still hadn't moved.
<<Please, in the name of all that is holy, tell me you aren't talking about a real person...>>: So I take it you haven't met Shazam Twix?
<<Don't encourage him>>: Who ever said I need encouragement? I thought I was getting along fine on my own.
<<Chafes *what*?>>: My brain! Oh, the burning, the burning! Make it stop! (John Romero!)
<<*Starts humming "Christmas at Ground Zero"*>>: Not until December.
<<he Joker had built a dehydrator ray... Anyone else remember this?>>: Yup. Who was it that sneezed?
<>: That's all? I have bookmarks to 41, and some I link from there. Most are from Keenspot/space.
<<do you know where I could find an emulation of Chronotrigger?>>: Just about anywhere. I do reccommend ZSNES for the emulator, though others like SNES9x. You can find Chrono ROMs at http://bluebomber.darkmazda.com/ROMS/roms2.html http://www.oneminuteleft.com/supernes.html or http://www.plasticman.org/emu/snes.html If you want, I can post a .zst and/or .srm with all characters but Magus at **. That was just my own bragging, so you can ignore it.
<<are translated versions of the Japanese-only FFs available?>>: Heck yeah (I have them all). They should be at the sites I mentioned, and http://rpgd.emulationworld.com/ is a good source of patches and translation news.
<<Who cares about healthy?>>: Well, I don't think it's a good thing if I die of a heart attack before the cancer gets me (from both family history and Jersey).
<<does it have real chinchilla fur, or did they skimp with rabbit?>>: Just rabbit. But I don't mind. Is there much of a difference?
<<Now all I'm trying to figure out is WHY you would be listening to music like that..>>: Well, my father was a demi-hippie way back when, and I inherited some of his tastes. But it is rather amusing, and it (especially combined with Alice's Restaurant) would give the Baron fits.
<<More... *gag* Info than needed>>: But "the human body is beautiful." I always liked that Whose Line clip.
<>: But there was so much porn in the classics, if you know where to look.
<>: Apparently someone beat him to it. Most notably the Japanese. Who are probably to blame for his tentacle problems.
<<I've never even HEARD of it>>: Really funky TV series. A spy who just resigned is put in a prison called the Villiage. Everyone is a number, there's a killer weather balloon, and I believe it ends with a trial with a seesaw, a chanting jury, and witness pits. Ever seen Reboot season 3?

Jaden> Good to see that you will be able to have access to the CR.

Warpmind> <<though, they do make great pies>>: Oh, do tell.
<<Remember, the cheese slicer *is* a Norwegian invention>>: So, just what is the method to properly worship you?

Fire Storm> <>: Well, if you don't know, and I am never completely sure. This is another fine mess you've gotten us into, Stan.
<>: Which is always a good thing to hear.
<<We can build you a system for less>>: Heck, if people donate upgraded parts, all you'd need is a case.
<<Maybe we already have a sanity-increasing device... Books!>>: But it all depends on the type of book. There are many that just don't make any sense (i.e. Lexy's textbook).
<<What the <Censored> kind of technology are you talking about?>>: Well, there was a little controversy about importing/exporting Playstation2s because they were powerful enough to be used to guide missles.

Shadowrider> <<it is rumored that the Regiment will be sent in Poland or Romania for some NATO maneuvers>>: Well, stay safe. And I reccommend you get some Kilbasa. Oh that is so good. And probably even better if native.

Daphne> <<Writing and Literature were fine, but Math?>>: Reference: opposite of me.
<<SO, what does this mean?>>: e) You shouldn't be asking me.
And good luck to both you and Mary Flanders with your test results.

I haven't done anything old in a while (about a month). I have played this, and still have two bits memorized. And who doesn't love songs about drunk people (I heard this from the mouth of a Russian immigrant). I give you Russian Sailor's Dance, by Gliere.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, October 15, 2000 02:20:38 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

** Niamhgold enters **

Shadowrider! ** Hugs/tackles ** Check your e-mail!

Adios!
Niamhgold
Sunday, October 15, 2000 01:55:04 AM
IP: 206.41.204.68

*Kat strolls in singing*......"flipping your fins, you don't get to far. Legs are required for jumping, dancing...."

Yeah yeah yeah, I know, my voice cracks when I hit the high notes! Bet you can't guess what movie I just got through watching? Today was my daughter's 11th b-day and she was begging for the Little Mermaid 2 video, especially as she got LM for her 1st b-day. Anyhoooos, all through the video, I'm sitting there thinking that the voice of the shark sounds to dam...er DARN familiar. Sure enough, credits roll along and dam...DANGED if it's not Clancy Brown!! Lord I love that man! What a voice. Ladies you know what I mean. Makes you turn into a wet puddle after about 5 minutes. LOL

Anyways, been hectic week and hectic weekend as well. Looking forward to going back to work tomorrow, just so I can get some rest. :) Will try to catch up on all the news and replies tomorrow hopefully. Huggs to everyone.
Katara - [garglover66f]
San Diego, CA
Sunday, October 15, 2000 01:25:06 AM
IP: ac8e837c.ipt.aol.com

Hey guys!

What's going on?
Not much to say today except
<DPH>
I'll still need to talk to you about what you're doing with my character. I'll email you later in the week.

Bye guys
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 15, 2000 01:08:24 AM
IP: 216.117.75.50

Guandalug: For some weird reason my Yahoo account wouldn't send you this message. Hope you can get it in here.

Here's the info you needed from me:

username: Doug Elder

realname: Doug Elder

EMail: DougElder21@yahoo.com

Homepage: NA

Alias: Doug Elder

I only have one account as far as I know. Just e-mail
me if you need any other info. Will backup my files
ASAP.
Doug
Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:43:09 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.220.dlls.grid.net

We are 7 & 9. Resistance is Futile. :)
Doug and Kit.
Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:40:31 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.220.dlls.grid.net

Shadowrider: Thanks for the encouragement, like Doug said I really appreciate it. You're welcomes go out to both you and Alessia, I'm glad things are working well for you what with all that's going on. And I too am glad that the troubles with Gus and his buddies are over, permanently I hope. I was angry about them too, when they were happening. Now that they're over I feel naught but relief. :)

More later.
Kit
Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:39:45 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.220.dlls.grid.net

8th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:37:56 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Shadowrider: Thanks for the encouragement. I appreciate it. Kit appreciates hers as well. I'm not actually a cop yet, but I will be someday. Good to know that there's another person who agrees I'd do well at it. :) Thanks for your condolences on Charles too. I mourn him very much, and I'm not the only one. The store where he worked has had its flags at half-staff all week- ever since last Saturday night when I was on-duty there and they all asked what had happened to Charles- nobody had told them. Then I did, and now they mourn too. :)
Doug
Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:37:00 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.220.dlls.grid.net

Top ten! For the first time ever!

Gunjack Valentine
Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:13:55 AM
IP: 209-223-253-129.ausa.net

Looks like it Jannie.

All right, now that there is a relatively clean space to start at, my thoughts on guns.

First, I don't own a gun. I don't feel the need to. I do know that there are those who do need to and more power to them. My ex-brother-in-law is one of those people who hunts every year and he eats what he kills. He's too poor not to.

I believe in the right to bear arms, but I do draw the line on arms somewhere short of fully automatic weapons. I even support concealed carry.

I believe in responsible gun ownership. To me this includes keeping the things locked up when not in use. The Gargoyle cartoon itself showed what may happen if you fail to properly secure fire-arms. It also includes knowing that every member of the house hold strong enough to pull the trigger should know safe weapon handling practice. I also think that with the exception of their "Eddie Eagle" safety training programs, the NRA maybe being doing more harm than good.

On the comment "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." While that may be true, guns do make it much easier. That is why the drive by shooting exists. So you can kill someone and then get away before any chance of immediate retaliation.

On the subject of responsibility of crimes committed with guns: I believe in due diligence. You leave your gun out where anyone can come along and take it, you bear some responsibility for crimes commited with that gun. I'll be honest and say I don't know how responsible, but some responsibility is there. If you have the weapon locked up in a box, and someone breaks into your house, and then breaks the lock on the box to take the gun and then raids your seperately locked up supply of ammo, I would not hold that person responsible for crimes committed with said gun.

I don't really believe too much in background checks. The people who shouldn't have guns always seem to find away around such checks. But I'm a little less bothered by waiting periods. If you really want a gun, waiting 3-5 days probably won't hurt you unless we are invaded by Canada or a civil war breaks out in those 3 to 5 days. Besides, it tends to keep spousal arguments from getting out of hand.

Just as a final point, last year, there was a murder up the street, less than 1/4 mile away. The assailant used a gun on an unarmed man who was outside of his home. The next day I got a call from a security firm who tried to sell me a protection package. I called him a ghoul to his face. But I didn't suddenly want to take guns out of the hands of everyone, but I did want to shoot the salesman. Go figure.

Ghost - [gitm@amaxx.net]
Columbus, Ohio, USA
Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:10:40 AM
IP: 208.46.234.149

Fourth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHHHOOOOHHHOOO!!!!!

Damn, it has been awhile since I made the top ten.... hehehehe
Traveler
Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:05:19 AM
IP: proxy.buf.adelphia.net

DPH- To paraphrase the Meteor Man (Haven't seen it in a few years, but I feel its an under-rated flick) "You aren't a hero if you have super powers. If you're more powerful than your enemy and you can't be hurt, that doesn't take any bravery and make you a hero. A true hero will face danger knowing he can be hurt." Basically, every super powerful character in a universe *HAS* to have a weakness, or else there's no drama or interest. If Superman didn't have a weakness against magic, kryptonite, and guys with more sheer power than him, he'd be a *VERY* boring character generally. A hero that can't be harmed isn't any fun because there's never any danger to him. This is why Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen get into danger so often, there simply isn't much that can put Supes into serious danger. (Tho the cartoon weakened him considerably from the comic version so that almost anything could serve as a threat. SImilarly, the reason Green Lantern had a weakness against YELLOW objects of all things for so many years is due to the fact that the very nature of his powers made him invincible if used properly. Lobo on the other hand, has *NO* weaknesses. He's super strong, can breathe in space, can *NOT* die (the devil doesn't want him in HFIL) can regenerate limbs, took on Superman while DRUNK, and isn't generally slowed down by magic. As such, HIS comic is never any fun because nothing can possibly beat him, but he does make for a fun villain since he's so unstoppable.

Fraid I can't take the time to post much right now, I have about half a dozen projects (A couple of them proffessional!) to work on now...
Robby
Saturday, October 14, 2000 11:49:21 PM
IP: spider-ti043.proxy.aol.com

Is it possible? Am I second?

Sevarius Jr.
Saturday, October 14, 2000 11:48:56 PM
IP: cache-2.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net

*blinks* wow! am I first? or at least 2nd? *giggles*
Jannie
Saturday, October 14, 2000 11:32:36 PM
IP: 64-240-37-107.hou.port.mytelco.com