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**shuffles in the room, holding an empty quart of ice cream**

Anyone want some? **looks in container** oops ...

Please be forewarned, this post will be more freeform than usual due to my being in the second day of Corax-withdrawal. ;) (Actually she's on spring break)

Trenchcoats: Anyone who was in Orlando last year knows my black leather duster ... it's now become a fixture of my wardrobe. Went well with my Xanatos-ian facial hair, too ... but now that it's gone ... **rubs a chin that's smooth for the first time in over a year** yep, I went wacky and lopped it off ...

Trigun: Yes, I'm into it and currently going bananas waiting for the next volume of Pioneer's edition to be released. In fact, I'm into that and Battlebots enough that, if I ever get a 'bot together to compete, it's gonna be named Vash the Stampede. ;)

Shadowrider: Welcome back.

Military vote: The military traditionally votes Republican despite the Democratic candidate's service record because the Republican party has a reputation for strengthening the military and the Democrats have a reputation of weakening it (either by way of downsizing or by getting into a war).

Christine: Well, there's always beer steins. ;)

Wilek: Thanks for the site ... d'you know if they also have codes for NASCAR1999 (Sierra edition) that'll keep me from whacking the walls at Watkins Glen? ;)

New Knight Rider series: Only if they also bring back William Daniels will I be able to tolerate it ... anyone recall "Knight Rider 2020?" No? Probably because nobody watched it because it was so far askew from the original it didn't make sense at all.

Josh: Being the semi-anal movie purist I am, might I note that "Alpha Knuckle Velveeta Underwear, you are cleared for takeoff" was spoken by Washout, *not* Dead Meat, because by the time in "Hot Shots!" the line occurs, Dead Meat is, well, dead meat. ;)

lain: Way to stand up to dad! **hugs** You online tonight? Turn on yer AOL IM, I need someone to talk to since nobody's talkative tonight. :)

Ah well ... 'sall for me tonight, folks ... **returns to the humdrum real world**
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:21:43 PM
IP: 216.28.101.7

*pokes her head back in*

Err...sorry for the second post, but it just occured to me that it is worth mentioning that "jacob" is the name lain has been using on IM...(poor Val!!)

*goes back to reading "A portrait of the artist as a young man" and attempting to write her essay on it.*
Lynati
Saturday, March 10, 2001 07:55:16 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-184.rasserver.net

GLEEB - Well, this is just my personal theory on it (until Greg Weisman reveals the full story someday, hopefully through "Gargoyles" returning to television with new episodes), but my suspicion as to why Arthur would found New Camelot in Antarctica is that it would thus be outside the jurisdiction of any currently-existing nation-state. Obviously, in his role as a "Once and Future King", he'd have to be a ruler over something, but it's equally obvious that no current government (including the British government) is just going to step down to allow him to replace it. So he'd most likely have to find some territory that no nation had control over, and found New Camelot there. And there aren't too many options open aside from Antarctica.

Greg hinted that New Camelot would be different from the rest of Antarctica, with much more hospitable weather; perhaps Merlin's magic would supply Arthur's polar kingdom with a more temperate climate. (Probably something like Marvel's Savage Land, only evocative of the mythical Age of Chivalry rather than of prehistoric times).

(The evidence in the episode "Pendragon", by the way, does indicate that wherever Arthur would be setting up rule, it wouldn't necessarily be Britain; a big deal is made out of the fact that Arthur's receiving Excalibur this time around in New York rather than in Britain, and the Lady of the Lake says to him "The world doth a leader need" - note that it's "The world" rather than "Britain").

As for Morgana - our take is that halflings can use human magic but they have to be careful to do it as human magic and not bring their faerie heritage into it.

LYNATI - Thanks for your "Pendragon" comments.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 10, 2001 07:52:50 PM
IP: 216.87.46.226.dialup-stl.primary.net

*Lynati bounds into the room, grinning like the freak she is*

it...it is...it's...
IT IS BACK!!!
IT HAS BEEN FOUND!!!
BWAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAA!!!!!!!!
*falls to the floor giggling maniacally, hands cupped around a small, whitish object*
HEE HEE EE EE HEEE.....ahhhh.....

...

AND DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT WAS??!
it was IN THE HALLWAY!!!
...And you know what THAT means! It means that my theory that it grew legs and ran away was right!!
Thank the God'ess Katie found it and took it in, or else the poor baby might have eventually made it off campus. It could have started mixing with some bad gravel...or who knows what? But it's back now...and it is not leaving my sight again...my teacher will just have to live without it 'cause it's mine now...all miiiine... :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
It's in my pocket, beneath the mushrooms and the breaded jalapeno cheese poppers...safe...oh, so safe.

I KNEW that dream was a prophecy!!!

ahem.
Responses:
...
Oh. Okay then.

Random comments:

Trenchcoats: a year or so ago, one of the students in my art class was followed down to our room by several administrators, where they pulled our teacher out to talk to him. Asking about the students sanity level, or something. Andrew had been wearing that coat ever day for the last 3 years, and they were suddenly now concerned about him being a psycho-killer. *sigh*
Me? my trenchcoat is metallic purple vinyl, and stamped with snaky-scales. Enough said. When our school PUT A BAN on wearing trenchcoats, I just started putting it in my locker for the day. As long as you weren't caught wearing it in school, they couldn't do anything to you.

Arthurian Pendragon flashbacks: that author's intentions aside, I really liked the flashbacks. It was a nice injection of mythology/history, and very well-written. You now KNOW why it is that Morgana wants revenge on him, and how Merlin came to be who he is, and what exactly that whole Lancelot/guinevere thing was, which if you didn't know the details of, the significance of certain Pendragon issues would be lost on you.

Buffy:... I missed the last couple eps. Stupid floor meeetings!! "time oraganization"?? yeah, and I's organized my time so that I could be watching Buffy and Angel right now! :P

V:Sooo...are you addicted yet? ;)

The Tail thing: geez...you know...I haven't actually written those scenes out; and I might just leave them out of the written version...just leave the details up to the reader's own filthy imagination... ;)

Fave Fanfic character: Brooklyn. no doubt. With my character Nemesis as a close second.

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.: Ahhh, another Gold Diggers fan!! I knew there had to be another one out there, somewhere!! :)

Bullying: Here is my take on bullies: Even though it is cruel, stupid, pointless, and only to raise one's own feeling of power and self-importance, If it hadn't been for bullies and my near-complete ostrification from social circles in grade schools, then I wouldn't have been forced to retreat into a world of my own making to keep from completely breaking down, and I wouldn't have created such a (in my own opinion) rich fantasy-realm, and my Stories would be no-where as good (good?) as they are now. :)

Warpmind: "... evil...groins..."?? Aaanyway.
(Hey, at least the "i" and the "o" are right next to each other on the keyboard so you have an excuse; not like that accident Val mentioned that time with the word "bread". "s" and "t" are just NOWHERE near the letter "d".)
Oh, and there is an...umm..."not-exactly-oriel" related issue I need to tell you about. ***HUGS***

lain: go lain!! :D !! (I told you I got the tickets, right?)
Also...your friend...Tell me...since my repeatedly telling him to stop saying those sorts of theings to me, followed by animalistic hissing and hiding behind Valentine, was not clear enough to him, then what would be?

Stefa: uhh...just wondering...but how many of the original TV episodes of gargoyles have you seen?

Imzadi: artwork? ...wait, it has to be GOOD??
hmph. Well, look at the one pic of mine in the site that lain is going to be managing for me, and tell me what you think of the style. (I know lain and V and warps like it...although, they might just be being complimentary because I am their friend...no one else seems to think much of it.)http://www.geocities.com/sanchinwalker/lynatiland.html

New Ep: I liked it alright, but I agree that Delilah seems to have mad a Huge leap in character developement since we last saw her. I REALLY hope that Lex and Kirstie thing works out...(imagine how he would feel, if she DID choose him over all those other males that have been courting her?)
...even though it isn't likely.

Tattoos: not until I get this design juuuuuust perfect.

Gside and Firestorm: Before I forget for the billionth time...what do you need on your computer to (access, view) those Ranma eps...and (if I do actually have that) where can I get them from? (seeing as my plan to copy all the tapes didn't pan out, what with one of my VCR's being in another state, this seems like a viable alternative.)

and now, for your moment of Zen:
***
Lynati says:
and now for something completely different!!
jacob says:
you didn't miss much .. our lives are so dull without you
Lynati says:
*drops frozen mackerel down the front of V's pants*
Valentine says:
RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT...
Valentine says:
o.O
jacob says:
HEY!!!!
Valentine says:
FNAAAAAAARGGLLLOOOOOO!!!!
jacob says:
hey Val...
Valentine says:
mmmm?
jacob says:
is that a frozen mackerel in your pants or are you just glad to see me???
***

*Lynati Exits, hands clutched tightly together around her spiritual little sister, lest she attempt to flee again.*

Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 07:40:41 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-184.rasserver.net

Hi again everyone!

A random question came to mind...
In TGS, Morgana uses human magic right? Forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong, but that's what I seem to recall. Isn't she half fay? I thought mixing magics was a bad.

-To Pyrex Pickle Blowfish -
I often wondered about that too... well, actually, I didn't think of her being shattered specifically (Too obvious I guess heh.. )... I was wondering about something a bit more morbid... like, "What if Macbeth or Demona had their head chopped off? Would the head reform?" which eventually led to "If Demona had a wing/other limb cut off, would it reform or would she be forever missing that limb?" etc...
I vaguly remember reading at some point in TGS when Macbeth and Demona get into a conversation about some of the more painful deaths they've gone though, like being burned at the stake and such, which is pretty disfiguring. (Then again, TGS isn't exactly an offical source.) I finally just figured that when fay magic is involved, just about anything can happen and they'll come out of it alright.

- To Triglycerine-
Well then, the Illuminate base thing is *Your* idea. Not Greg's. Of course you're going to like your own ideas over everyone else's. :) So now I ask you, why would Arthur set up his base of operations ... in the middle of the Antarctic?

-That Is All-
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 07:11:42 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Good news: I didn't even get written up for the con artist incident at work so I still have my job. Bad news: I was on a fellow coworker's cash register when this happened, so he was written up for letting me on it in the first place. The manager took this opportunity to tell my fellow employee how everyone hates him and now he's looking for a new job. I feel really bad because he's the one who's leaving from something I did. *frowns*
SOROW
Saturday, March 10, 2001 06:32:17 PM
IP: a010-0367.dll2.splitrock.net

"Actually, Greg Weisman never said that New Camelot was a former Illuminati base"

In one of your posts asking if Merlin knew about Antarctica he responded by saying that His answer was that nobody with normal resources knew about it in 5th century Britain. The only thing I can think up was the Illuminati. Besides why would Arthur and Griff go there unless they are on their Merlin hunt or they're fighting the Illuminati and why would Arthur set up a base there unless the facility was already present?

Triglycerine - [tankertron@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 06:27:43 PM
IP: 205.213.142.111

Hey to everyone! Well, not so much to say tonight, just a couple of replies...what is good, since I need some sleep...;)

Thanks to everyone welcomed me back!

Winterwolf & Emambu:> I got both your emails. I'd like to be able to reply now, but I'm too tired, so I prefer to wait for tomorrow morning and write something with a little sense...;) I hope you won't mind for this.

Doug:> Great to know about your Birthday. On another topic...I'seem to have read you want to quit your current job and search for another one. Well, seen all the trobles that happened in your current job (including continuous double shifts), I can't tell you wrong. My only advice: be prudent, and don't make the step until you're not sure the ground is safe...so to say. I really hope you'll find a new and more satisfying job quickly. Speaking of it: I remember you expressed the intention to join the police...any news about it? Also, good luck for the building inspector visit...<crosses fingers>

Jaden:> <<... My gunner and I were able to fire a stinger missle, which was fun. That thing has a little bit of a kick to it when it fires.>> I'm quite sure about it. Although I don't ude the stinger system, I've heard talking about it. On my side, last month our battery fired a Hawk to a radio-controlled target during exercises. Naturally, when we fire missiles all the personnel is at safe distance but...gee! Those things are really earth-shaking as they start!

Oh, I was forgetting: Welcome here to all the newcomers, meaning, with this, all those who came in the CR while I was away. I'm sorry, but you're too much to greet you one by one...;)

Nothing more, I hope. Tomorrow!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, March 10, 2001 05:58:12 PM
IP: h213-18-223.mi2.albacom.net

TRIGLYCERINE - Actually, Greg Weisman never said that New Camelot was a former Illuminati base (or anything about its origins at all, beyond the obvious implications from its name that King Arthur will be setting it up).

IMZADI - Greg's been asked that question a lot; the basic answer is that: a. it's a moot point by now since Demona no longer turns to stone by day, and b. it's possible that the Weird Sisters' spell upon her ensured that people like the Hunters never came upon her in the daytime during her stone sleep.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 10, 2001 05:49:59 PM
IP: 216.87.46.226.dialup-stl.primary.net

Good morning vietnam! ::Cheery, listening to Better Than Ezra's "Friction, Baby":: Today, I start the real job training. As I said, I'm doing mac tech support, and while I was thinking about it last night, I had another interesting thought. My computer and all its peripherals share a gargoyles theme (and I think its a pretty clever naming scheme, too). Currently, my powerbook is named Xanatos cuz no other gargoyles characters look so slick in black (cept Thailog...but I don't really wanna name my main hardware after a villian). But my next laptop will be a Titanium Powerbook, and I was wondering if naming it Coldsteel/Iago would just be ASKING for trouble (Coldsteel was obviously the first name to come to mind since its a silver laptop). Will my other peripherals (most of them are named after good guys) stop working because they don't like Iago? Or am I just being paranoid and stupid? I'm open to other suggestions for names for the new laptop. It has to be a character that looks good in silver, is slim but powerful, etc. Ideas? This is not an opportunity for mac bashers...don't bother posting things like "how about naming it mac n' crash!?" cuz that's really not that funny or creative.

I'm working on a new OS X set of gargoyles icons, so they'll be really big (128x128) and scalable. The trick is that now i have to make them from really high-quality pictures so they'll still look good at larger resolutions.
WANTED: Currently in search of a really good David Xanatos picture

A demona question: Myabe I should post this on "Ask Greg", but its been bugging me the last couple days. What happens if Demona gets shattered in her stone sleep? I know that NOW she turns into a human during the day, but for about 1000 years she turned into stone like every other garg. Would she re-form herself at sunrise? I guess if Macbeth did the smashing then she'd be permanently dead.

Bullies: Anyone who thinks shooting is not very therapeutic has obviously never been to a gun club. I was a riflery counselor at camp last summer, and I frequently go to a gun club with my friends. It feels good to kill paper targets.

Christine: (begin the hero worship): Whoa! THE Christine Morgan likes my posts. I am so flattered, you can't even imagine (and there is no saracasm there whatsoever). I read your fics shortly after I burned through TGS (and friends) and I think you are an amazing writer. If the great publisher of Avmists likes my posts...perhaps my writings are ready for the world after all...then again, maybe its just a bit of hero worship and I'm being an immature college student. Glad to see someone who sees eye-to-eye with me...one less enemy in the next flame war. 8-) Do you think maybe I could post my next icon set in Avmists? That would be so cool!

Lain: On behalf of everyone here, THANK YOU for finally standing up to that jerk. See, it didn't hurt as much as you thought it would, did it?

Revel: 1.5 tons, huh? Sounds like my last desktop. Laptops from now on! My next one will weigh 0.0025 tons! hehe

CrzyDemona: I just checked out your site. Your artwork is amazing. I'm in the process of making gargoyles icons for mac (big ones, 128x128 for OS X) and I was wondering if I could use some of your artwork. I've especially been searching for a perfect picture of demona (I liked the birthday cake one) that has a good view of her face and actually LOOKS like her. I hadn't found one till I stumbled onto your site.

Artists out there: I'm looking for archives of 3-d or other high quality gargoyles artwork, inspired by the show. If anyone knows of any huge sites, let me know.

Pyrex Pickle Blowfish
- Topper Harley, Hot Shots!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, March 10, 2001 04:37:52 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-153-128.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Nereus - I hate TGS's idea of gargoyles living in Antarctica and making them one of the surviving clans, but I love Greg Weisman's idea of King Arthur and Griff taking over an Illuminati base and turning it into their New Camelot base and into a gargoyle clan.

Triglycerine - [tankertron@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 02:31:33 PM
IP: 225-pool5.ras12.ilchi.agisdial.net

Crzy> Cool to see you posting here. Hope to see you post here more often. Been missing you.

Stefa> The ages of the characters are...

Goliath: (1057) 29
Demona: (1057) 35
Brooklyn, Broadway, Lexington: (1037) 19
Angela: (917) 19
Hudson: (1117) 59
Elisa: 27
Xanatos: 40
Fox: 29
Macbeth: (990) 52
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, March 10, 2001 02:25:07 PM
IP: dialin-734-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Wilek:: another note... I like your fics, they're fun. And the artwork is good too, to give credit where it is due :)

::grumbles:: can I rant about jobs that interfere with schoolwork, thus requiring me to spend the last 3 days (the majority of my SPRING BREAK) trying to play catchup on video editing?!?! Grr.. i've got too much to doo... too little time, and i'm still sleep deprived.. ::flops in corner:: someone shoot me now! ::please?::

Anyway, life is odd, people are strange, and school is evil.

Talk later when things get better.

Note: Thanks to Guandalug la'Fay who managed to find me a way to read Gargoyles... bet we can guess what I'll be doing once i finally get all the HW done. :p
Aingeal
Don't ask, HW... AGH!!!!!!!!!!, ::running for self preservation::
Saturday, March 10, 2001 01:22:07 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Another thing on bullies>Why shoot the ones who teased you when you can just beat them up? Killing them with a gun isn't very thereputic, beating them with your own fists is. Just take out all your anger and tension in pounding their faces into the pavement. >:)
Beth H.
Saturday, March 10, 2001 01:09:53 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Hi everyone it's me again, I was wondering if anyone knew how old the gargoyles are (or what you think they are) because here is how I think they are Brooklyn-18 Broadway-19
Goliath-24or26 Lexington-14or15or maybe even 16 and finaly Hudson about 50 something. If you have anyother things to inform me on then ok just tell me see ya soon ^_^.
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:53:32 PM
IP: 1cust198.tnt6.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

School shootings: So they are going to teach kids coping skills. still, they are only treating the problem, not the cause. If you were in severe pain, would you want me to give me a pain killer or would you want me to find the source of the pain and repair the damage? Each generation has its own problems: the so-called 'golden years' had racism as a problem.

**IDIOT DICTATOR ALERT**
What worse than an idiot? An idiot who wants to be a dictator. He does not get it. How am I supposed to grow up if I am not considered competent to make my own choices and or not considered competent to know when I need advice? Father's Day - who needs it?
**END IDIOT DICTATOR ALERT**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:49:15 PM
IP: max1-8.cwy.cei.net

Yeah another weekend, those happy days where I actually get a chance to make up all those hours of lost sleep over the week. This time I have an aditional bonus, I won a whole ten buks from Wed. lottery. Woo hoo money burning a hole in my pocket. I figure I'll I 'll go buy a movie or something. Anything to take my mind off the fact that I have an Illustrator assignment due monday and I HAVE NO EARTHLY IDEA WHAT I'M DOING! Had to caps that one.

Josh- You can only use the images that are provided, sorry.

Lain- glad to see you happy, good for you.

Favorite character to write- well currently the only writing I've done so far is for myself and I'd have to say my favorite Character is Solaire. I feel so bad for the guy becasue I know if he were real the first think he would say to me is, "Why are you always trying to kill me." I would have to grin like Tim Curry.

And one last little tid-bit that I think everyone will enjoy.

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
-Popular Mechanics, 1949- (scary huh)

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:47:43 PM
IP: aca98dd3.ipt.aol.com

Ah yes... I remember this all very well...

"Humans fear what they don't understand". Welcome back, Pissy. heh heh heh

As for what Greg actually did on the show, you can access this information in Ask Greg. He did work for Disney development (AKA creating a show and passing it on to someone else to run with it) until Gargoyles came along. He was the one to "run with it" that time.
CrzyDemona - [crzy_demona@art-chicks.com]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:35:07 PM
IP: 1cust188.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Apology accepted Kit
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:32:01 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-16-106.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

BWA HA HA...
guess who's father is out on a date RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
possibly ALL DAY!!!!!!!
(and possibly ALL NIGHT too....)

anyway.. just thought you'd like to know...
I DIDN'T get a lecture in the car for four hours on the way home..
this is not because my father didn't want to lecture me.. this was because I beat him to it..
pulling out of the car park at rez, I turned to him in the car and said "dad.. I need to discuss something with you..."

so.. I told him EXACTLY how I felt.. and he actually (well at least I THINK he did) listened to me. ANd then I said "and you are not smashing my mother's pottery, because I am taking it" at which point he kinda stared in silence at the 401 and after about three minutes said "okay".
so that was all good...

thismorning, when he was getting ready to go out.. I had lots of fun cos I got to say, "now dad.. if you're going to be out late or your plans change, make sure you call me to tell me where you are..."
BWA AHAHHAHAHAAH!!!
(i've been saving that one up for WEEKS :D)

anyway late last night, I also got to see the episode where Buffy's mum died..
I think I had been avoiding it..
anyway, I thought it was REALLY well done.. all the scenes of silence.. Buffy's aloofness..
I dunno.. I didn't like the hospital scene just cos I thought it was totally unrealistic.. and I didn't like how they took Joyce out in a bag.. :( when they took my mum, they just took her on a stretcher...
but anyway, after watching the episode for awhile I stared in silence at the fire for a good long while (I get to sleep in the basement in front of the log fire when I go home..) and then when I curled up inside the sleeping bag, I started to cry and couldn't stop.
Huzzah for Joss...

not much else to say for he moment.. but at any rate, I have to sign off soon so I can attempt to write that essay.

*huggles for Jannie*

Thanks to all for your support :)
love,

lain
@home in the Great White North, and BTW.. SEVARIUS JR IS A JEEEERRRRRRKKKFAAAAACE!!!!! ; )
Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:26:20 PM
IP: ttyb10.ptbo.igs.net

James: Oh, I thought you meant the CR clan. My mistake. :)
Kit
Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:26:09 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.198.dlls.grid.net

Kit> It's an expession having to do with culture of a clan. It is not about the comment room
James Birdsong
Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:50:40 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-136.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Imzadi > I may be totally wrong on this, as I never use a pic and don't even view the room with them, but I believe the way it's set up is to only allow those designated pics. There was a vote for new ones a while ago, methinks. I'm sure FS and LM will correct me if I'm wrong. And btw, I like your posts and see eye-to-eye with a lot of what you've had to say.

Wilek > so long as those scuttlers don't track up my nice fresh-waxed floor -- what am I saying? I wax floors about as often as I iron, and as I don't own an iron, that says a lot ; ) Good to see you back around here.

Christine - [christine@eskimo.com]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:46:21 AM
IP: 22-065.075.popsite.net

James: Since when do you have the power to throw out Wilek? He's been here longer than you or me!
Kit
Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:11:43 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.248.dlls.grid.net

Wilek> pointless yes. In most cultures that is known as shooting blanks. You are no longer part of our clan. Leave town now mister
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Saturday, March 10, 2001 09:08:44 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-136.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Listening to Better Than Ezra...Deluxe, I think

DSL: I have pacbell, and they are truly bastards. The service works fine for the most part, but setting up was a HUGE hassle. Also, everytime the phone rings, the service "hiccups" and I get DC for a few seconds, which can be a huge problem at times. But the service is pretty fast and rarely "down" for large periods of time. Also, you aren't really vulnerable to hackers unless you have a static IP. Finally, without a command line, the macs in my apartment aren't as vulnerable to script kiddies. However, when OS X comes out IN 15 DAYS (not that I'm excited or anything) it could be a problem (since OS X is based on UNIX and therefore has a command line).

I got a new job! I'm working tech support for a company called MacTank. They're based on the east coast, so I'm an "independent contractor" as well as the head dude out here on the west coast! The pay isn't phenomenal, but the hours are flexible and I work from home, they just foward the tech support calls to me. Every little bit of money towards that shiny new powerbook makes me very happy...

Favorite character to write: Any but Hudson. I don't know enough old people to write him well.
I guess my favorites to write are Xanatos and Demona. I'm a villian at heart, which is probably why. I'm sure I'm not doing them justice, but its fun anyway. I haven't even tried Thailog yet, because I'm terrified that I will insult the entire fandom if I do. I think like Thailog a bit, but I'd have a hard time drawing the line between my thoughts and his, and I'm sure I'd write something out of character and have fic readers demanding my head on a pike.

Bullying: Bring it on! I can take anything you dish out, and when you're all tired I'll reduce your self-confidence to zero with my confidence-shattering sarcasm and cruelty...at least that's what I did in school. Bullies should rot in the lowest circle of hell. Quite frankly, most of my closest friends are surprised the first columbine tragedy wasn't caused my me. I don't have a sense of morals (mom and dad were too busy making me work my ass off in school and teaching me to mentally protect myself to teach me about right/wrong), the only thing that keeps me out of trouble is fear of the punishment. If I had thought for a second that prison (or in Harris and Klebold's case, suicide) was better than the torment I was going through...well...I'd be the famous one. Fortuately, I'm a bit more realistic and practical (neutron bomb...) 8-)

Will someone please tell me how to use their own pics for the CR?

Winterwolf: <<All too easy>>: Amen, brotha!

Sev Jr: I meant bashing them in here, to their face, unprovoked and unexplained. That's just not fair. I'm not much of a Kirsten Dunst fan, but I certainly understand what you're going through with your internal debate about seeing the movie. I feel the same way about Sarah Michelle Gellar.

I claim to be a literary giant! Not in the sense that I am a great writer, just that I am the end-all authority on what IS good writing. Hemmingway, Nobokov, and Shakespeare are HACKS! Long live Tolkien, Asimov, Niven, Herbert, Anthony, Orwell, Adams, and Gibson (I've left a bunch out, I know, but those are the first that came to mind)! Oh, by the way, I was JUST KIDDING DON"T FLAME ME (not that I care about your uneducated opinion anyways, after all, I'm the literary giant in here!). 8-)

Aaron: Watching violence can't lead to violence if your an overweight old guy. What's he gonna do, throw food at me? Masturbation is the worlds biggest conspiracy: everyone does it, everyone denies it.

Wilek: So you ARE a real person! I was worried that everyone just conjured you up to scare me into thinking that I had competition for world dominiation. Cooperation is cool. I'm totally into sharing the world with like-minded people. I support the death penalty for the crimes you listed as well, I just didn't think posting that in the CR would make me many friends. I totally agree with most of your ideas. No, no one actually reads War and Peace. About the gieger-inspired gundam suits: I'd be happy to be a test pilot for you, and I'll even let you wire the thing to my brain. And forget the technomagic surgery. I don't need to be a sorcerer. Robotics are getting to the point where they can already fit under clothes and stuff. The ability to shoot lasers from my watch is just as effective as "Fulmenous Venite!". And flying is flying, whether by rocket or by magic (those are the only super powers I'd really want anyway). Keep your flame thrower away from my perverted tentacle! Okay, fine, I promise a windows emulator so you can play your games. But don't think I won't have people working on porting them to Mac. If everyone's old games were available for mac, would you stop bitching when I abolished windows? Yes, the Apple Pro Mouse freakin rocks. I've never seen it skip, ever, which means the optical tracking is much better than the M$ optical. And that whole "no-button" thing is really cool, I think (note that didn't stop me from buying a 3-button optical scroller for my mac). REAL: defined as outside of the internet, communication not involving modems or computers. That's RL. Ya know, face to face outside?! Who defines what sentient beings are? We say that cows aren't sentient, but I'm sure the cows wouldn't agree if we asked them. So it would be easy for the fey to say "we are much more evolved, humans are no better than sheep" (I say this all the time). <<he spent thirteen years in Hell and recieved no reward for his trouble but a nihilistic streak and a god complex>>: Dude! That's me! I swear I've never met you before! Have you been following me so you can determine my plans for world domination? <<Sex for pleasure isn't evil, just pointless>>: NO! Sex for pleasure IS the point...at least for me. God I'm such a pig.

Alpha Velveeta Knuckle Underwear
- Dead Meat, Hot Shots!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, March 10, 2001 05:10:40 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-146.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Well.. i've decided that sleep is a good thing, and that gumdrops have evil results.

Wilek:: hmm.. might I join in with ya? There also a group of girls here at the school who have a plan for taking over the world, but they want to start with Canada... and is there anyplace in your setup for a Computer Artist, or studio one?

anyway.. b4 I take after Val and fall on my face.. nitenite
Aingeal
TiredSaturday, March 10, 2001 04:31:10 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Scanning the net for things that go bang payed off. Clickie on the name link, scroll down past the pansy bayonet, and take a look at the bundle of niftiness just below it...

And, since Wilek was kind enough to post, I think I'll have to finally get up off my butt and return the favor.
Tomorrow. ; )
*falls asleep on his keyboard*

"And omnipresent amid all the frenzy of Shanghai is that famous portriat, that modern icon. The faintly smiling, bland, yet somehow threatening visage appears in brilliant red hues on placards and posters, and is painted huge on the sides of biuldings. Some call him a genius. Others blame him for the deaths of millions. There are those who say his military reputation was inflated, yet he conquered the mainland in short order. Yes, it's Colonel Sanders."
-PJ O'Rourke, "Eat the Rich"
Gunjack "Teenie" Valentine
Saturday, March 10, 2001 04:03:00 AM
IP: 216-146-183-139.bwn.net

Here I am, all caught up, but then moving back home and adjusting to my new free time distracted me. And then Wilek posted. Plus, what's the point of vacation if you can't enjoy sleep. Ergo, I'll catch up later.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, March 10, 2001 02:26:46 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Shadowrider: Hello again friend. Glad your training's going well, best of luck with it and congratulations on the achievements so far. Thanks for the Happy Birthday, I had a good one indeed. :)

Warpmind: Condolences on the visa trouble, hope you can get things straightened out somehow eventually. Kit and I will be keeping a place for you here as long as you still want one. :)

Winterwolf: I too am glad that forklift incident's past me now. At least I hope it is. :) Thanks for the good luck wishes, it will be some time before I start looking for a new job though. Taxes are on my plate next week, then the building inspector, and then probably a lot of other house-related stuff. I've given Abel a very early heads-up that my being with the company is not permanent, for what that's worth, and I know what I'll have to do to get my next job, which I think is going to be a commissioned security officer or a higher-paid noncom. Just gotta decide which and get time and the chance to take the right steps. Right now I can't say when that will be. I'm keeping the job I have in the meantime and enjoying it. :) Glad your life's going well.

Favorite Fic Character: Rachel Xanatos was always my favorite character to write back when I wrote fanfic. You can have a lot of fun with an omni-powerful girl learning about life the hard way while trying to be a heroine. <grin> Jade was a close second, because of his immense ego and my enjoyment of finding ways for it to survive all the poking the good guys do to it. :)

SJ: Oh, come on, Knight Rider was a great show. It's what made me fall in love with driving and want to do it for a living (a car, a golf cart, an armored SUV, whatever). But then again that Future Knight Rider does sound pretty bad. Oh well, as long as Micheal doesn't take forever in the restroom after getting unfrozen and then start spouting lines like "Groovy, baby!" things will be tolerable. :)

Aaron: Oh, I've tried bdsm. And believe me, once was enough. <shudders>

Bullying: Put me down as another person who can not stand it at all. Yeah, standing up to bullying makes kids tough, but that's the only good thing about it. Nothing else. I've run into a number of bullies in my life and have liked dealing with none of them. Thus I am behind the efforts to stop and ban bullying 100%. :)

That's all for now. Must sleep. Later.
Doug
Saturday, March 10, 2001 01:34:03 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.86.dlls.grid.net

A perversion of nature...how exciting!

Gside> <<Sorry, I jsut like saying roughage. Roughage. wang.>> Quit with the wang thing or Chibi-Me will subject you to rough wangage. :P <<But apparently they're making it first person. Shame, that.>> Tsk, such a reactionary attitude. ;) <<You should come to Jersey sometime.>> Um... O_o No thanks; bland is better than coughing up finger bones...<<Whatever you wish, but I'm not sure if anything else fits you wuite as well.>> True...I shall have to use it more often than I anticipated. ^_^ <<But if you don't take introduction as creation, that makes video game cronology a tad more difficult.>> No, a tad more interesting. ;) <<But what could you use as a retrieval object that would survive one round?>> Nothing. We use scrap metal--plentiful and easily acquired. :) <<When I responded to the smae statement twice, the second response was actually supposed to be an apology for talking about Cid before you got to him.>> No prob'. :) <<Ever notice how horror sequels inevitable tendwards porn?>> No, but then I've only seen such horror series as Nightmare On Elm Street, The Omen, Hellraiser, etc...I guess that rule only applies to the bad ones. :P <<Ever read the letters of Charles Lutwidge Dodgson? He had some funky ways of hiding messages and whatnot in his.>> Examples, or a link? <poing poing> ^_^ <<Anything someone does is a window into their mind>> What on earth does that say about me?! O_o <<We must wait for Wilek. Nothing may be done without Wilek. Wilek is good.>> I'll put up with this until y'all come for me with the cross and the nails. Or the seven cruciform daggers, depending on how the negotiations go. <<It's all in the Y.>> Isn't it an insult to the human condition to claim that an entire facet of our behavior is dominated by our genes? Isn't the whole point of sentience to rise above our genetic programming? <<We've recently fought off an invasion of hentai tentacles, and you think we've never had them use tails?>> Gunjack and I fought them off; you and Warps wanted to keep them as pets for the rec room. :P Hatten.swf> Catchy tune, but WTF...?! O_o

FS> <<Yeah, but War and Peace would cost me $10,000 per copy!>> There are people who actually read it? O_o <<TGS/Gathering 1999 DEAD DOG PARTY>> Please tell me Jackal wasn't there. :P <<Watch out! Imzadi wants to take over the world too! Better take care of him before he gets popular! :)>> I don't compete--I cooperate. 8) <> So do I. O_o There are probably parts that are slightly out of date anyhow...<<THAT... and Wilek, at least I think, is not too interested in commerse.>> Actually, one reason I intend to take over the world is because I want dibs on the cooler stuff that manages to make it onto the trade routes. :) <<You move your arm, which triggers a sensor. The sensor trigers the servo which moves the arm with force. THAT triggers the sensor. Lather, rinse, repeat.>> How 'bout making the sensors respond only to neural activity rather than motion? <<What will Wilek think of this? Dual alliances? Betrayal? Voiding military contracts? (EEK!)>> Again--I cooperate. There's a great quote by P.J. O'Rourke that sums up my philosophy about attending to rogues that I really have to look up...Besides, if I can't hold control over the world, then I will be only too happy to plant the seeds of discord, withdraw to a safe distance, and watch the whole thing tear itself apart.
The World According To Wilek>
<<Do you plan on taking over the world through>> D. All of the above.
<<Health Care?>> Let Green Baron attend to it, since I don't know the first thing about it. (Leadership is the art of delegation.)
<<Enployment?>> There's too much of it; once I popularize droids, people will have significantly more leisure time. Ways will be found for people to get better-paying jobs that incorporate skills that they actually enjoy exercising.
<<Education?>> Encourage homeschooling--the educational system as it stands now is a toilet.
<<Infrastructure (Roads, telecommunications, public transit, etc)?>> They seem to be evolving pretty well on their own, for the most part. Although flying cars will have to be encouraged, and DirecPC will have to switch to a flat rate instead of hourly billing.
<<Business?>> For one thing, the government will have to have its grubby little claws taken out of people's livelihoods. I'm a big fan of free-market capitolism.
<<Crime?>> Does the name Draco ring a bell? Essentially, the death penalty will be mandatory for first-degree murder, burglary, kidnapping, and sex crimes. Executions will be public--I'm very tired of our penal system furtively executing people in the dark, as though *we* were the criminals.
<<Drugs?>> Drug pushers and traffickers will recieve the death penalty, while drug abusers...well, unless they commit some crime under the influence, they will be subject to mandatory detoxification and post-hypnotic anti-drug programming.
<<What kind of military power will you keep?>> Too much. (Hey, it's better than not enough.)
<<Mandatory military servive?>> Gods, no. Under my legislation, the draft will be a form of kidnapping, and Heaven help any country that attempts it if I catch them.
<<A council of advisors?>> Yup.
<<Will you have to anwser to anyone?>> A constitution/moral code that is essentially an extrapolation of our current Bill Of Rights, changeable only by a majority vote in the council of advisors.
<<Are your councils/Senate/ETC democratically elected or by your appointment?>> Appointment at first; when they have to be replaced (death, corruption, etc), the populace will elect several candidates from whom I will appoint.
<<How will the people you promised countries to be allowed to rule?>> They answer to me; I answer to the people (when it is in their best interest...I will investigate complaints, for example, and correct them if they are legitimate problems).
<<There is growing opposition to you. People are starting to protest. You (or your advisors) catch wind of a coup growing and will probally attempt to overthrow you in a matter of weeks. How do you prevent this?>> Find out why they're opposed to me. If it's because of some legitimate problem they think I caused, we sit down and discuss it, and if it is a genuine problem, I set about correcting it. If they're just militia lunatics, I inform the populace of this, with all the evidence thereof, then put them down like the rabid animals they are ("them" being the rebels, of course). If there's a conspiracy--say, an enemy nation--behind it, I inform the populace of this, drag the enemy's scheme out into the light, then teach them the depth of their mistake. In summation, turn the populace against the ringleaders of the revolt, whoever they may be.
<<One of the people you appointed to rule a country is increasing his military power in an attempt to take over one of his neighboring country to claim their vast natural resources. What do you do?>> Confiscate his military power and make him his replacement's janitor.
<<The planets population is growing too large for the planet to survive. What do you do?>> By the time there are that many people, we will have long since colonized other worlds. Still, if things get desperate, I'm sure my virologists could do something cool.
Ammo Box PC case> Exceptionally nice. 8) Heh...get one of those, store explosives in old computer cases, and install an acid tank that looks just like my bathtub, and people who come into my house will trust nothing they touch...HEHE! <> I thought they were all Japanese? <<NASA had to cancel the X-33 AND the X-34!>> I might (or might not) be happy about that if I knew what they were. :) <<It's Buck from SMT!>> Dare I ask? <<Animals, such as seals and what not do come to the general area, and would be considered food.>> I thought all the South Pole had was penguins? <<Why does my chest hurt?>> Ack! O_o'

Warpmind> <<Might as well give up now; we're going to make you a womanizer, wether you like it or not. ];)>> Really? <hands you a schematic for a micro-nuclear explosive attached to a brainwave monitor, then taps the side of his own head> Does the phrase "scorched earth" ring a bell? How 'bout "Pyrhhic victory"? >8) <<As for the tentacles, actually, no. I wasn't planning on killing them>> Huh. Glad it ended up happening anyhow. ;) <<As for the Nereus Project, ask Wilek. He's the Top... Creature.>> Ehh...just a perfectly normal little gargoyle. ^_^

Aaron> <<Nah, I'll handle obscure references, and you do the weapons, and we'll be kind of a Wilek-by-committee.>> Rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated. ;P <> Huh. Need an accelerator? <<True, but it's really hard to get with video chicks anyway.>> Video? As in porn? What is even the point of those? O_o <<"In real life, the cameras, i.e,, our eyes, don�t quit rolling when people�s clothes come off. So why should they here?">> Self control? Respect for privacy, perhaps? <<of at least as much literary merit as the entire run of Friends.>> But then, so was Battlefield Earth. :P <<how come so many of the great works of art from the past are of naked people?>> At least they're not of naked people having orgies or whatever. Besides, I think the appeal lies not in the subject but in the technique--the Greek nudes were among the first realistic renditions in sculpture of the human body. That's more difficult than it sounds, especially for a culture from so long ago. That and the fact that, for the Greeks, nudity didn't have the erotic connotations that it does today.

Kit> <<The arcade Michael Jackson Moonwalker also had better graphics, and cooler enemies and levels.>> Kinda thought so; this was back in the day when arcade machines completely outstripped consoles...I have both the arcade and Genesis ROMS of Altered Beast, and the latter is a complete joke compared to the former. O_o <> :) Worry not; that won't happen until the asylum finally figures out that one of its inmates who suddenly went comatose is in fact a rubber doll, put there to cover his escape...hehehe <<You have to be a big fan of Rainer Wolfcastle from the Simpsons to get a couple of them.>> The McBain guy? Heh, better return to my research...<<Kiff is the ancestor of a similar character on Futu-rama, watch that show to understand his plight>> I'll have to find out when it comes on in my area. :) <<I'd never heard of it before, but if it has a female lead and is a shooter it could be worth a look.>> It's sort of a shooter, in that the player character uses projectile weapons a whole lot...Although only one of them is an actual gun, sort of a nuclear musket. The others are toys gone spectacularly wrong--razor sharp playing cards, jacks that bounce around tearing enemies apart, that kind of thing. Really cool stuff. 8) <<The main character in Metroid has always looked more asexual than female to me.>> Techsuits can have that effect. O_o <<Seven of these eight friends of ours are in the hospital tonight.>> OMG. o_o' Hope they heal quickly, and that their assailants die in most objectionable manners...<<On general principle I tend to avoid any game that maligns a beloved children's story.>> You do not wanna see my Amazon.com wish list. :P I tend to find that looking at a "children's" story in a darker light (which was typically closer to the author's intent in the first place...the Brothers Grimm, anyone?) can expose fascinating new aspects of it that the more familiar sugar-coated versions (ie the Disney version of Alice) go out of their way to hide. (And there's something perversely fun about killing these characters, like them though I do. Me after the battle with the Mad Hatter: "Does my hair still want cutting, bitch?! THIS IS WHAT THIS BAT IS AT! BUGAAAAAT!" :P) Interesting note: the game somehow manages to simultaneously remain very faithful to the original characters while portraying them as horrifically altered by the evil that has infected Wonderland (the Cheshire Cat can give you nightmares if you look at him too closely, and he's one of the good guys); it takes talent to pull that off...<<Will someone please tell me what the big fat hairy deal about this phrase is? It's not even gramatically correct for crying out loud!>> Therein lies the BFHD. You know those poorly-dubbed or subbed Oriental movies? It has kind of the same appeal. :) <> There are probably several ROMS of it at www.tobbeo.com (and they don't sell it anymore...). :) <<could everyone with some governmental power in your world get a personal arsenal? The one you described sounds like something I'd want to get my hands on. Traffic's easier to avoid when you're on a motorbike, but it's still one hell of a big bother.>> How 'bout a Gundam? I have some really neat Bosch/Giger inspired designs I've been wanting to field-test...They'd solve both the lack-of-armament problem and the traffic problem at the same time. :) <> Although they are a sign of great resilience to pain. O_o'

Spacebabie> <<Could someone brutally kill Sli Sludge?>> Jawol, mem-sahib! [Wilek grabs Sli Sludge and rams several hundred compression grenades up his arse. Wilek: "Someone set up us the bomb! <detonates grenades, spraying the room with gibs>"] I have always wanted to do that. <<Monday my dog Perdita had a seizure and while seizing she fell into the pool. My dad had to jump into the pool and rescue her. Tuesday it was real windy and as I was heading to the car I started to have difficulyt breathing((I forgot my inhaler)) I made it home safetly.>> ACK! O_o <<Mara Mara Mara! Wilek Wilek Wilek!>> Tora Tora Tora! Dreidel Dreidel Dreidel! Fleischmann's Fleicschmann's Fleischmann's!

Lain> I am unfortunately terrible at comforting and consoling...but I try to be a great listener. <hugz> And I wouldn't worry about Imz' trying to kill you. A dark mage friend of mine has a really neat shield/reciprocation spell...one time someone took a shot at him, and the assassin's weapon turned into a spray of molten slag. He was in the hospital for months and when he got out he was blind and looked like Fred Krueger. I'll get him to condense it into a bindrune for you. >8) <> First off, you are not among the people who spring to mind when I see the phrase "selfish life-ruining bitch". You seem quite the opposite in fact. And second, I seem to recall quite a few people on a certain message board who are very fond of you. Odd bunch, especially the freak with the cheese grater, but they have great taste in friends. <hugZ> :) <<I wrote some to him backwards on a letter interspersed with the actual words I was writing.. and then drew fish all over it and played with crayons.. and then drew an Angel with a Gun on the back.. and the rest of the letter in orange hilighter and also wrote a babble-page full of everything that poured out of my brain for a half hour or so..>> I like the way your mind works. 8) Rant> Can't argue with that...I wish I could do the whole stream of consciousness thing...my mind simply doesn't work unless there's a central thematic structure to work around, so I don't have the option of simply pouring it out like that. That and I'm not as familiar with other languages as you seem to be. :/ An unfiltered and unstructured look into my scary little plastic head would most likely send y'all screaming from the room anyhow...<<"like I said when something intelligent comes out of your mouth it will be a grand day">> Icing of vomit on a cake of sewage...this man does not deserve you; again and again has he proven this. >:( I have to admit, I'm starting to worry about you...the kind of thing that your father (among others) has put you through wears terribly on one's mind; I fear it will destroy you. I don't want to lose you, and there are a lot of people here who agree with me. <hugZ> <<hey and I even got hit by a car today and smacked my head on the sidewalk, as if my day wasn't good enough.>> Oh GODS! :O Have you seen a doctor or something? o_o' <<So it follows that this is the best of all possible universes.>> It was, until humans made a mess of things...they're good at that. O_o <> Welcome to my world. 8) <<SCHNORF him without mercy for at least three concecutive days>> Sounds painful. Is it bloody? Does it have teeth? <<the other reason I have to go home this weekend is to smuggle out some of my mother's pottery that my father wants to smash.>> :O [Wilek stares for several minutes in vast, unbelieving horror.] OK, that's it. This man has finally proven exactly what he thinks of your feelings...what a colossal jerk... >:( Good luck getting the pottery smuggled out; I wouldn't want him even looking at it the wrong way...

Taleweaver> <<Under what circumstances is death good for the story>> When it serves as a gateway. <<is there any case where bringing someone back from the dead is a good thing?>> When it changes them terribly. <<But what pus a burr in your saddle?>> Villain hanging from a ledge by his fingertips or in some other similarly precarious situation: "If you kill me you'll be as bad as you think I am." <rolls eyes> Not to mention heroic obsession with honor. If shooting someone in the back while they're unarmed will end a war, then hey, gimme a grenade. (I can't help noticing that most of my characters seem to be either villainous heroes or heroic villains. O_o) And last but SO not least: the seeming fiat that a male and female lead in a movie/novel/whatever must become romantically involved. It can be done right, but it has long since passed tiresome and is fast approaching infuriating.

Newcomers> Welcome! Surrender your sanity, and everyone gets a complimentary ZIG to move for great justice.

Imzadi> <<I've already told certain friends and family that they could rule countries as my puppet heads of state (Italy, USA, Switzerland, France, England, Canada)...hope we don't need to do battle over that 8-)>> There's no reason we can't work out something to please everyone. :) <<Or do you have some incredibly valuable resource that he needs so much that he was willing to sac 100 years of trade for the entire solar system?>> Sack 100 years of trade? I thought he was going to be my trade minister...? <Mrs. Rumbold voice> Cuthbert, what does this mean? :P <<"Good choice; the clothes probably wouldn�t have fit.">> That is so me. ^_^ <<I'll need to design my headquarters for world domination soon. Maybe we should just ask Mr. Weissman himself.>> I was thinking of designing my own, sort of Neo-Gothic...kind of like the Winchester Mansion gone even further wrong. Maybe mount it on a gigantic antigrav platform, to be a mobile home... 8) <> Good choice; technomagic is very in this year, and with your immortality, you might even survive the surgery. >;) <<Otherwise I will have him shipped to Pluto when I take over the world, along with all the other people who have no useful skills.>> You do realise that I won't go without a fight. <brandishes the detonator for the gigantic carbonium warhead in the core of the earth> ;P <<No...nuts, I can't come up with something that sounds better than Queen of Scandanavia. But don't worry, I'm not going to use that as my title (how funny would THAT be?).>> And "Imperator Mundi" is already taken. How bout the King And Queen Of Cheese? <<a perverted tentacle, huh? I think I've got one of those lying around here somewhere...>> <readies his plasma thrower> Worry not; they're very vulnerable to temperature extremes...<<But we won't be keeping vegetables on life support, hoping that someday they'll either wake up or we'll find a cure.>> For that, we'll import temporal stasis. (I'm really into the whole "better living through technology" bit.) <<Windows will be abolished>> You're aware that this would totally obliterate the PC gaming industry, leaving me no choice but to forcibly sodomize you with Herve Villechaize. Unless you can formulate a Windows emulator with 100% compatibility? :P <<I'd like to ban smoking indoors for the entire planet>> You too? There is this restaurant near where I live...great food, but some of the best parts of the buffet bar are practically inside the smoking section. Yeah THAT's good for business. <rolls eyes> <> Aliens are among my primary sponsors--the Nation Of Worlds, the Xothi Freehold, and a few others that escape my memory just at this particular moment are supplying quite a bit of money and technology in return for trade and tourism agreements. <<if you can't duct his brains, you should...EWWWWWW!>> Seen The Brain From Planet Arous? <<Or do what I did. Wear rollerblades and all black along with a pair of prosthetic fangs and a shirt that says "I graduated, can I go back to bed now?">> Imzi, meet Pistoff. Pistoff, Imzi. Have fun. >8) <<it'll look a hell of a lot better than those new iMacs.>> I think they're kind of cool looking actually...they remind me of Esthar. ^_^ That transparent optical mouse thingie is especially kewl... <<What's DC and why are you stabbing it repeatedly?>> Who, actually. <looks around for DC> Where are you you little son of a...THERE. <uses a Hookshot to drag DC kicking and screaming into the room> I just recieved word that the little eccentricities that have been creeping into my computer of late are the opening salvos of your destabilization of the operating system. You're lucky I was thinking of getting a new one this year anyway--I'll kill you slowly instead of letting you live on in agony for months into years. [Wilek carefully strips off his skin, inch by inch, with a dermatome, slathers him in barbecue sauce, and throws him to FS's children.] <<You could have so many friends in the real world>> Define "real". >:) <<Wouldn't that be like a human trying to fulfil their sexual urges with animals?>> I don't know; I've never been able to consider sentient beings "animals", except for genetic classification purposes.

Dreamie> <<Ok, who wants a GLOMP!>> <zombie voice> Itchy. Tasty.

Lady Corax> <<BTW, anybody out there have a DVD player? Anyone have any advice on good brands, good features of the little things, bad stuff, etc? I know absolutely nothing about the darn things. :)>> I know that mine (a Sanyo somethingorother) ain't as great as I originally thought--it encounters 404s (or something like) on the Ghostbusters DVD, it has bizarre sound issues (the music often drowns out the dialogue), and it won't even play Hellraiser 2. O_o (Picture quality's great though. And at least it will play most or all movies all the way through, unlike the player that came with my PC...) And of course the Playstation 2 is an enormous loaf of crap. Perhaps a DVD-ROM drive and the CyberLink PowerDVD (http://www.cyberlink.com.tw) player (hope you have a nice monitor)? <<I'm so serious when I say it's what saved me this weekend. I never, eeever thought I would ever be in a situation where I would be forced to defend myself>> Ack! O_o Glad you're OK (at least, I hope you are)... <> It's basically an amusingly mistranslated video game intro that happens to be eminently quotable. (BTW, does that techno-ish bit that plays during the opening cutscene remind anyone else of Duel Of The Fates?)

Caliope> <<Like anouncer 1.0!!!....Nevermind, BunnyWars reference :P>> I'll have to read up on those... <<*hands Wilek a broom* :P>> heh...never been good at cleaning. ;P <<My house was broken into last weekend>> ACK! O_O I would recommend taking up a camcorder, a shotgun, and a variety of excruciating cutting, slashing, grinding, and peeling instruments, and, once the police catch this <censored>, convince them to leave you alone with him in handcuffs for a while. I will pay a great deal for the videotape. <<Yey!! I'm STILL one of the Princesses of Puerto Rico!!! :D>> Who are the King and Queen I wonder? Or is it like the Mushroom Kingdom? ^_^

DJ> <<Guess I'm gonna have to start thinking about upgrading. :)>> I was thinking the same thing...my little P2-450 is downright saurian compared to some of the stuff that's out there now. I wanna play Alice in 1600X1200! <bites mouse>

Coyote> <> Try http://www.cheatcc.com/pc/armym3.html :)

SJ> <<Somebody better post something obscene and/or off-topic soon, or I will scream.>> <grins insanely> I could say anything right now. HEHE! <<Blink 182's "Enema of the State" (their only good one)>> Which, for no discernable reason, reminds me--Gargs and girls, the world is soon to end. Some misguided toy company will soon be unveiling an action figure of Eminem as Slim Shady. Accessories will include a chainsaw and a hockey mask, and after seeing the thing's face, I have to say I am thankful for the latter. As if in counterattack, McFarlane Toys has unveiled the Tortured Souls series, six collossally twisted figures designed by Clive Barker. I shall slaveringly savor the sight of Slim Shady's soul suffering sweetly, sadly, and sickeningly (I adore alliteration ad nauseam) in the clutches of Venal Anatomica. <<Well, it's Ass Wensday>> Bet it's popular in San Francisco. (Yes, I am aware that I am a horrible monster.) <<CLICK ON MY NAME to go the holiest of websites, Jesus.com. It's only *slightly* sacriligeous, I swear.>> <reads the bio> Blonde, 6'3", athletic build, of European descent, into art and music...Oh Dear. Jade Ops, this is Nereus. I'm sending something neat that one of the free-radical agents uncovered. One of us is a clone, and I hope it ain't me. Get to the bottom of this. <turns to the room> And for those of you who overheard, look into the pretty red light... <<If this should happen.....when this happens......I will move heaven and earth to be at that particular Gathering. I will lie, cheat, steal, and maybe even whore myself out to see "Mr. Kerns comes to the Gathering". Because that, my dear friends, will be the true coming of the Apocalypse.>> Come the burning Hells or the highest waters, I will attempt to find a way there myself...if we're going to do away with the world, we may as well do it in style, yeS? >8D <<but if you're talking about how much you dig "Bondage Faeries" (or insert graphic Japanese hentai magazine / comic or your choice, there's only about a billion out there), realize that you're gonna get a little static.>> Heh...I have to admit, despite the probably brainless content, "Bondage Fairies" is probably the coolest name for anything ever... 8) <> Iehhh...Velma is cute as always, but the rest of them...O_o <<Speaking of absences, where IS Wilek, anyway?>> For a while I was sucked into this strange, scary alternate Earth where there don't seem to be any gargoyles, mages, Fey, advanced technology or anything cool...only humans, and primarily stupid ones at that. Its natives call it Real Life; I call it Hell. It seemed to link to my homeworld via the Internet; thankfully my contacts there managed to mount a rescue. <> I wish; I've long since lost track of it. O_o' Maybe I can pick up where the Joyride left off, if I can find it...where did it leave off for my characters? Phred? Warpzy? ^_^

Doug> Happy horrifically belated Birthday! ^_^ <> Cool...reminds me of Pikathulhu. >8) Thanks for the heads-up. ^_^ <<If I could remove one industry from the globe, the professional critic and award giver industry would be it.>> Frellin' A. I made the mistake of buying Roger Ebert's book I Hated Hated Hated This Movie. Occasionally amusing, but his review of Hellraiser 2 destroyed any respect I might have had for him. To insult a movie, whatever the reader's opinion of it, is one thing; to insult its entire fanbase, on the other hand...<<please excuse Kit's behavior earlier tonight. We just got back from the club and she had a few drinks.>> So I gathered. ;P At least she wasn't well and truly drunk--I remember when, thoroughly sloshed and roaring profanity in what I believe was Klingon, one of my characters chased a suspected Communist skate rat up a tree. Wish I still had that videotape.

Gunjack> <<Something tells me the dreams are going to be vivid tonight...8 |>> Ack. O_o Puts me in mind of the Silent Hill music video at remix.overclocked.org...that thing reminds me of every nightmare I have ever had. O_o <<...but then again, he may be the Antichrist.>> Actually, the Antichrist and I have something of a rivalry going. We did, anyhow, until I pushed him into a giant blender. <<What happens when the immovable object meets the irrisistable force?>> <as the Pins And Needles from Edward Gorey's "Inanimate Tragedy"> Deflection and dispersal, dissolution and despair! <<Though I'm farely sure you heard it last time...>> There was a last time? O_o <<Who're one and two?>> I...forget. O_o <> Oh there's a change of pace. :P <<there was nothing to do in those 9 hours but listen to my music tapes, read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Matianence", and watch the "House of the Dead 2" demo... over, and over, and over...>> O_o <TWITCH> Did...anyone survive? <<This time, I ended up next to a friendly chap named (no kidding) Casey Jones.>> Please tell me he didn't have a hockey mask and a broken baseball bat. O_O' <<And the fun part is, I do this every year. The next one's coming up in a few months... *shudders*>> Is this some kind of penance?

Jannie> <<"hanging chad">> Must...refrain...from horse jokes...

Parenting> Heaven forbid I ever spawn. My kids would all grow up to be Johnny The Homicidal Maniac. Not a terrible thing, but it makes it hard to keep a low profile. "What do you MEAN my kid shot the entire population of Fort Worth? I have told her over and over, BLADED WEAPONS. We are ARTISTS." In other words, they'd end up like me, and that would pretty much be the Apocalypse right there.

Pistoff> Got your e-mail, will respond...if I can subjugate RL for long enough. O_o [Wilek points a scission crasher at a chittering something offscreen and yells at it, "You'll never take me alive, bitch! FOR GREAT JUSTICE! <fires randomly>"] <<Well, I agree with what Dennis Miller once said--"Sh!t is sh!t, no matter how you frame it.">> One of many things I admire about you is that you do nothing in half measures. >8) <<If you see a bald son of a bitch in a black duster and combat boots walk into the lobby, keep your eyes on the ceiling in case it starts to turn runny and drip. ;) Oh, the fun we could have...they'll chase us out at gunpoint and send a SWAT team after us, but it'll be glorious. >:D>> <hehehe> Remind me to bring my psi-gauntlet and bedlam's mask...not to mention Mr. Thingy. >8) <<BTW, I love the "sv_gravity" cheat code in Quake--you can do some really bitchin' Matrixy things... :D>> Must try that. 8) And hmm, the railgun in Quake 3 leaves Matricine silhouettes of passage...<<the kids wouldn't allow her to escape from the mental prison they'd put her in, and they went after her even worse than before, and during the first day of school, the light in her eyes slowly died. A few years later, she committed suicide.>> My gods...a very dear friend of mine has gone through something like this; he spent thirteen years in Hell and recieved no reward for his trouble but a nihilistic streak and a god complex (understandable since he was an intellectual giant compared to those sacks of crap and has the awards to prove it); according to his firsthand accounts, an inch either way and he would have simply snapped like an old harpsichord string. "They just want to be friends with you and would leave you alone if you'd just let them." Right. Try telling them that while those little MFSOBs are trying to push you down a flight of stairs and the stupid slob faculty doesn't lift a finger to help. Had he known me back then, the whole place would still be a radioactive grease stain (which honestly would be a vast improvement since some rocket scientist built the school in a neighborhood that was like a demilitarized zone in a building that should have been condemned). If either of us ever find any of them, Heaven help them all.
<blink> OK, time for Wilek's medicine. <as Madison Storm> CHOCOLATE! I NEED CHOCOLATE! <scarfscarfscarf!> <<In fact, the only tail trick you'll see there is when Boiler uses hers to break a bad guy's legs. :)>> I don't know; that could get dirty if the fracture breaks the skin really badly or something. "Computer, we need a cleaning droid. A large one." >:) <<One time I walked past a car and an old woman was sitting in the passenger seat, and she quickly rolled up the window and locked the door as I passed. And just a few days ago I got in line at the post office, and the woman in front of me grabbed her little kid and moved him around to her other side, placing herself between me and the kid.>> Gah... >:/ Will people ever learn...<<The main problem I had with the old computer was putting the modem back in, because I had to put a screw up in the corner, and my fingertips wouldn't fit up there, so I kept dropping the screw and having to start over...>> Why is it that the insides of computers are designed to be very difficult to alter, despite the much-lauded ease of doing so? <<That link you posted in here was seriously frightening... O_O>> Thank you. :)

Jaden> <<Whatever the reason(s) I had then and the ones I have now I could probably have fulfilled doing something else and be a HELL of a lot more happy.>> O_o Don't you have a way out? There are laws against slavery... :(

Niamhgold> Welcome back! ^_^ <<back when NES games were eerily dark and spooky. And a little more challenging...>> I like to think that the difficulty was due to the primitive software architecture...games today seem easier because the locations they take place in are more realistic rather than being large homogenous sheets of terrain tiles, so we can think of them and navigate them in the same way as real environments. That and improved control and logical enemy behavior patterns and weak points instead of "hit it a thousand times and don't let it hit you or you die"... <<in the Final Fantasy series, or any other current series, the end guardians only take me about two tries, at the most, to demolish.>> heh...the end boss of FF8 only took me one try to demolish, but that one try was over the course of two hours and courtesy of frantically using the same Holy Wars over and over and ending up with only one character left who would have died if not for the Phoenix Pinion and me wondering if this chick would ever just DIE ALREADY and what time the hunting goods store closed and where the nearest bell tower was...<takes Prozac, goes to happy place>

Christine> <<I'd send Godiva over to make it up to you but then I'd have Kit gunning for me ; )>> Ach, go ahead...I haven't had the chance to test my polyphasic DEMP gun in the field just yet. She cannae glide with those things (not to mention being a nice big slow target), and I would enjoy the opportunity to take advantage of that particular weakness... ;) <<the gobs and gobs of money, I mean, not my going crazy; that could be imminent ... what IS that ticking sound?>> My scuttlers' feet make a lot of noise on these hardwood floors. By the way, hold still.

Robby> <<This is why I usually say "Happy Birthday, and in case I forget, Happy Birthday for the next five years as well.">> I have to try that... O_o

James> <<Sex should only be done to make children. Lust is a sin.>> Sex for pleasure isn't evil, just pointless. ;)

It was at about this point that Notepad ran out of memory and I had to switch to Wordpad, proof positive that it's been far too long since I've posted.

GXB> <<if you read the tales of ancient Gods and fairies and other deities, they really enjoyed getting it on.>> I thought that was just the Greek pantheon?

Gleeb> <<Most other boards that I post on allow html and tend to not recognize breaks otherwise.>> Welcome to a board on a higher plane of evolution. 8) <<BTW, anyone else here into Trigun?>> I have some of the figures, and they are astonishingly kewl. ^_^ <<Is there a way to use your own image when posting, or do you have to use one of the images provided?>> The latter.

Triglycerine> <<TGS's idea that gargoyles live there naturally is crap.>> I wouldn't go quite that far, although it does seem to me that they were put there primarily to guard and maintain the master control server thingy that Greg puts there in 2198 in the Master Plan (if I'm not mistaken; my memory is like...ehh, one of those grid mesh thingies that you pour things through to strain them). <<gargoyles are like the defenders and anti-bodies of the Earth.>> Ehh, never been into the whole "living Earth" theory. Maybe it's part of the Master Plan, but...well, if Greg saw half the stuff *I* have planned, he'd come for me in the night with a butcher knife. >:)

Mme. Destine> <<delurks at hearing her name several times, kind of like how it works with Beetlejuice>> [Wilek grins insanely, looking for a chilling moment like Kefka as drawn by Bill Watterson, and wonders where is the best place to find the Grimtooth's books.] <<Do they still turn from stone to flesh and back at approximately 12 hour intervals during the period where it's always dark?>> That's my theory.

SOROW> <<I stood out in the rain for an hour, AN HOUR, trying to win this cat's heart by calling to him, petting him when he had enough courage to approach me, but he still would not come. I finally gave up, heartbreaking enough, and went home and cried for an hour at least. I practically hyperventilated. I've eventually figured out why I became so attached to this cat. It's because in many ways I am just like him: alone, seeking affection, and unable to trust anyone. I really tried to make him come with me, to show him how I would take care of him, to show him he was wanted.>> :( Hope you see him again, and that he's a bit more receptive next time...<> Waitaminute. This SOB cheated you, and you are the one who might be punished for it...? <does not compute> >:(

Shadowrider> Welcome back! ^_^

Beth H> <<Now I know this sounds cruel to some parents, but I think kids need to realize what its like to be hurt by someone.>> That's what I say...when they find out what suffering is, they won't be so eager to inflict it on others.

=What's the point of being cool if you can't wear a sombrero?=
~Hobbes
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, March 10, 2001 01:04:28 AM
IP: proxy1.spaceproxy.com

SJ > ooh! I know! I know the answer! ; )

Kit > so the fondue pot is out, eh? Hmm ... cheese board? Crystal bowl? LOL, maybe you better just let us know where you're registered!

Favorite characters to write > tough question; depending on the story, they all have their moments to shine. But I always have liked the villains best.

Literary giant > good grief, if I _ever_ claimed something like that, I hope someone would swat me (and yeah, I know, people would be lining up and taking numbers for the opportunity). Not in my fanfic, not in my 'real' writing ... jeez, who wants to be literary? I'm never going to be the next Hemingway or what have you, and that is just dandy with me. So long as I can continue writing what I love to write, what makes me happy to write, and what makes a fair amount of people happy to read, that's all I could ever ask. Well, and money. Gobs and gobs of it. I mean, hey, I'm not crazy ... but since that's not going to happen anytime soon (the gobs and gobs of money, I mean, not my going crazy; that could be imminent ... what IS that ticking sound?) ... as long as I am lucky enough to have this job that allows me to make ends meet and still have time to write, no complaints here.

Madame Destine > more power to you, and for what it's worth, I've always thought it was one hell of a pseudonym, too! Much better than any of mine! ; )

Spike > so you mean to tell me that all this time I've been blaming ... uh ... ::cough:: _crediting_ you with the tail trick, it was Scott done it first? Though of course to hear Greg tell it, there's nothing we've thought of that he didn't think of years ago ...

Greg Bashing > would never bash the man. Love him dearly, admire him greatly. Disagree with him on quite a number of things, hey, but disagreement's never made me hate anyone. If not for Greg's vision, none of us would be here, so if I happen to quibble with his reproductive ideas, that's no biggie. Heck, you should see the flak I get whenever I mention to any fellow Stephen King fans that I don't like the Dark Tower books! ; )

Wow, it's been a long day. Tim's gone for the weekend and there was no school today, so I have been nonstop busy with Becca since seven this morning. Went to the Pt. Defiance Zoo/Aquarium, McD's, played Dungeon and cleared the entire goshdarn board, watched a Zorro movie and had to play at swordfights through most of it ... I'm worn out! And a little loopy as perhaps may show ... when I get tired the inner control mechanisms that let me actually give the appearance of taking things seriously break down and I am revealed as the irreverent creature I truly am ... and now goodnight, before I start really getting bizarre.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 11:47:41 PM
IP: 21-039.075.popsite.net

SJ- No problem. I *tried* to set things up so that the freakin' Ten were RIGHT THERE for you and Warpmind to take on in case I couldn't post, but ah well... SOmehow, someway, in the next couple of days I'll finish the storyline proper... Oddly enough, what you did in yours alligned exactly with what I was gonna do anyway...

Favorite TGS character to write- I'm not sure. I'm rather taken with several of the council members, particularly Mei Hsing, Chiang Yun, Aurora, and Icarus... But ya'll haven't seen more that the introduction of these characters yet, so you likely don't see them the same way.

Star Trek's new series- Actually, apperently, the series isn't going to even has the words "Star Trek" in the title. The don't want to alienate "new fans" apparently...
Robby posting through Alan
Friday, March 9, 2001 10:56:23 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

Well, you know what they say... 99% of males masturbate, and the others are liars. ;)

Which brings me to the porn debate... I�m going to play devil�s (or at least devilish, eh Warpy?) advocate here. One of the best �erotic� series I�ve ever read was Reed Waller�s Omaha The Cat Dancer. I dunno if anybody here�s ever read that one. Probably not, unless you�re a big furry fan, like me. (If any of you have, maybe you can tell me what happens after the 5th TPB)

The series started back, and is set in, the 70s. So the characters� attitudes about sex are a bit more casual then we�re used to. And one of the major plot points *****Spoiler***** revolves around a plot to catch a bunch of politicos and industrialists in compromising positions, so to speak **** Spoiler over**** so there are plenty of opportunities for aardvarking.

But anyway, Reed�s take on the sex was this. �In real life, the cameras, i.e,, our eyes, don�t quit rolling when people�s clothes come off. So why should they here?�

I enjoyed Omaha considerably more the I did The Old Man and the Sea, The Grapes of Wrath, The Pearl, or any of the other �classics� I had to slog through for school. (And no, I wasn�t reading it one-handed, thank you. (I can read your thoughts, you pervs!)) Will OTCD be remembered as a great classic? Probably not. But it was enjoyable, well written, and of at least as much literary merit as the entire run of Friends.

But, like the only reason I ever watch Monday Night Football always says, �That�s just my opinion, I could be wrong.�

Of course, having said all that, the question arises, (no pun intended, just to short-circuit what Warpy and Gside are going to say) would I ever write a lemon? The answer... a definite maybe. Only if I thought there was sufficient humor, or at least morbid curiosity in doing so. A better question might be, �Will I ever get off my duff and*ever* write anything again?� Sigh. And as if I wasn�t busy enough, trying to jumpstart my ficverse, work on the MiSTs, the totally ignored FILK project, and the odd original story, now my creativity demons are after me to write an *entire* fourth Slayers series too. Double sigh.

School shootings> Here we go again. Another round of finger pointing, another round of round of �It wasn�t our fault� from the students and faculty, and another cluster of media vultures circling, desperate to get at the corpses.

I hope, if I ever shoot a bunch of people, I can get called something better then �scrawny freshman� by the media. I want �Lone Nut� status at least. I wanna be known by all three names, baby! And I�ll be honest. When I was in Jr. High, (I dunno why they call it �High�, it was more like a three year low) I wanted to do this. I fantasized about it on a daily basis. Even in high school, I would walk around thinking, �Except for a my handful of friends, I could cheerfully blow everybody here away.� I never did, (duh) but if I�d had an example like Littleton.... Ya never know. And now that the example is there, I think you�ll see more and more kids who feel desperate, trapped, put upon, or generally f**ked with, turn to that example.

BTW, anybody seen the latest one in Pennsylvania? A *female* shooter this time. (And a Catholic school girl no less. What would GB say?) So she only managed to wound one. Equal opportunity slaughter.

Have you noticed tho�, that this isn�t Littleton? It�s not as big a deal. We�re getting bored with school shootings. Nobody will ever be like Harris and Klebold. Those two made the front page, cover, or lead story of every paper, magazine, and newscast in the US. I don�t even know this guy�s name. Personally, I�m waiting for people to realize that they have to *top* Harris and Klebold to get serious attention. It'll be the end of Fight Club. It�ll get so kids�ll be stealing tanks off National Guard bases and driving them to school.

And for the record, I broke out my trenchcoat after Littleton, simply because the idea that I couldn�t wear it pissed me off.

Media violence> If watching violence leads to violence, then why haven�t people like Roger Ebert, who�s probably seen more cinematic violence then a lot of us, started killing people by now?

Rape> I had something to say, but I don�t want to get banned.

And now for some thing completely different...

Josh> Advertising is the industry of the devil! ;) No, actually, that�s my field, law. Lots of Macs around here too, come to think of it. <<Giant robots>> lol. <<you are obviously not really male if you don't know the difference between 18 and 50. I dunno, Sigorny Weaver's 50, and I'd take her over a lot of the girls I went to High School with.

Stephen> <<Errr, Does that mean I should change my name?>> Why, have you done something to piss me off? ;)

cherry blossom> Welcome back! Congrats on the ACT score.

SJ> Have I mentioned how much I dig Bondage Fairies? ;) And if you�re right, how come so many of the great works of art from the past are of naked people? ;) <<Greg & JMS>> I'm confused. Which one, according to you, doesn't belong? (I, personally, have no opinion of JMS one way or the other, since all I know about Bab5 I learned from reading Sevelon 5)

Gside> I *knew* you�d get it. <<Have any series been put out beyond BF, NBF, BF:FF, and BFE?>> Not to my knowledge. But the nice free site I was using doesn�t seem to be there anymore. <<The Piano>> I think that was one of those movies where the soundtrack was better then the film. <<Drunk people are fun. You can get them to do stupid stuff.>> Like buy your hat for $100.

Cali> Ouch. I�m so sorry your house got broken into. Glad they didn�t get away with much.

Warpy> All this talk about old DOS games makes me wanna break out a copy of Scorched Earth. As for BF, nah, that�s okay. I read most of them before the free site went down, enough to know they weren�t precisely my cup of tea, tho an interesting diversion. Sorry the immigration thing is on hold. Maybe while you're in LA you'll get discovered, and start a film career. Hey, it could happen. And that wouldn't be Demi the Demoness, would it?

Jannie> Yes, I do believe that actually. I find it much easier to believe then the idea that a community of mostly Jewish retirees, some of them Holocaust survivors, came out and voted in droves for a man with Buchannon�s views on Hitler. I suppose it�s possible. But likely? I�m gonna go with the redneck sheriff from Preacher on this one: �It�s possible. It�s also possible I�m gonna sh!t me the keys to Graceland tomorrow, but I don�t think it�s likely.� I�ll concede the military vote, tho� why it would go to the Smirker when he was a wimpy Guardie and Al at least actually *went* to �Nam is beyond me.

Lain> (hugs) Sorry your dad�s being such a dick. Glad you enjoy your coat. I do too. I hope it makes me seem like someone not to be messed with, �cause I wouldn�t last long in a real fight. And you get your @$$ back here! No one said you could leave! ;) (Seriously, don�t go) Yes, hearing about your problems depresses me, but only because they seem familiar, and I can�t do anything to make them better. Good luck with the pottery smuggling.

juliaexia> (gentle hugs)

Spike, Stephen, Mec, & Cat> Congrats.

Gleeb> Welcome. Please deposit your sanity, if you have any, with the room admins. <<anyone else here into Trigun?>> Me, Shinigami, Robby, Coyote, and some others, I think.

Spacebabie> Pest thanks you for the ice-cream. Unfortunately, now he�s trying to get Deli-chan to do pervy things with it. Sorry you had some scary experiences lately.

SOROW> (hugs)No, need something stronger. HUGBEES! Sorry about the con artist, hopefully your bosses will be understanding.

Pissy> Greg worked on pretty much every phase of the show, from pre-production (stuff like character design etc) to post-production, (music, editing, etc) In between he approved story boards, worked with the voice cast, wrote some episodes, story edited the rest of them, wrangled with S&P, messed with Frank Paur's mind, and did a bunch of other stuff I don't even pretend to understand. <<didn't one of his later series get cancelled a week or two after it started airing?>> I think you're thinking of Rusty The Boy Robot, which Greg wrote an episode or two of. He didn't develop it. When management gets out of the way and lets Greg work, we get Gargoyles. When they fight Greg, we get Max Steel. <<the woman in front of me grabbed her little kid and moved him around to her other side, placing herself between me and the kid.>> Yeah, that happened to me in Orlando, right Mara? (So I was wearing a trenchcoat in 80 degree weather. BFD)

Doug> Tattoos> <<Too scared of the pain. :)>> Awww, it doesn't hurt *that* much. Well, at least not 'til they get to the coloring-in part. <<Many aspects of sex and porn are awful and perverted... bdsm>> Hey, don't knock it 'til you tried it. ;) (Gunjack, you did say you needed more material to work with)

GXB> I'd honestly say my favorite character to write is Death, the Brooklyn clone from my ficverse. He's a decent guy at heart, he just happens to be fanatically devoted to Demona, a "good servent to a very bad mistress" if you will. That and he's almost as unlucky as Vinnie. I almost feel his pain.

Well, I was going to wait for the room wipe, but heck with it.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, March 9, 2001 10:43:35 PM
IP: dialup-64.154.226.75.sanantonio1.level3.net

SJ> I don't have a problem with you or Pistoff's opinions, but what upset me was the way he attacked Patrick and Kathy as people, not just in here but I read a post on his message board which was meant to insult them as people. They are both good people, I've had the pleasure to work with them on TGS for two years, met Kathy at one Gathering and met Patrick at two. I regard them both as friends. Neither of them have done anything to him.

He doesn't like what they write, that's fine. He can say that as much as he likes, I disagree with him, but he can. But he shouldn't be attacking them personally. I found those comments completely innappropriate.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 09:28:22 PM
IP: dialin-73-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

(sorry for the double post!)

Fanfic News>I've started chapter 6 of my Ranma 1/2 series. Here's hoping I'll finish it soon! *crosses fingers* :)

Also, I probably shouldn't be around people who would bully me, because I would snap and beat their asses down like the punk bitches they are. >:)
Beth H.
Friday, March 9, 2001 09:06:58 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Well, I realize that Robby has had difficulties getting in there the past few weeks....I've heard everything from being swamped down with work (which I can sympathize with) to problems with his internet connection (which, thankfully, I don't have to worry about anymore, but a couple of months ago, I did). So, I understand his situation.

However......It's been at least a couple months since I've RPed with any regular frequency, and as I've said, I have my own RP plans. Frankly, due to various RL problems on the end of every single participant in the Ten Saga RP, things have dragged on far, far too long. So, basically, I'm just gonna do my own thing for now. I'm gonna pick up my own personal RP, which will take place following the aftermath of the Ten Saga (in RP continuity). If it comes to the point where Robby can resume posting again, that's great, he can finish the Saga, and I'd be happy to be a part of it, but right now, for my purposes, I'm going to write my own RP as if the end of the Saga had just been written and posted. I'm not doing this as a slight to Robby, or anyone else involved, cause we all know that there were tons of circumstances that got thrown in our way. But time, as the saying goes, waits for no one, and "ever forward", and any other cliche you can think of. I don't think Robby would begrudge me if I just moved things along for the characters that I control. I've had these plans for them laid out for quite some time, and now I feel it's time to tell them. So, I'm just gonna go and do my own thing for now. I do hope that Robby can post regularly again soon, but 'til then, I'm gonna move forward. So, enough of me running my mouth:

**BEGIN RP***
The Hospital.

SJ stood in the doorway to her room, apprehensive. He wasn't sure if he should enter or not. He looked to her softly. Sensing the desparation in his eyes, she invited to come in. He moved towards her bed, and sat down at the foot. He stared at his hands, folded in front of him in his lap, and his eyes bored holes in the floor. He wetted his lips, and spoke.
"I wasn't sure if you wanted to see me or not."
Kari considerd this for a moment. "I thought about saying no. But that would have been....petty. I don't want to be that way to you."
"I....I wanted to talk to you. To tell you.....how sorry I am. I....I didn't mean to do what I did."
Her face was expressionless. Even if he had been looking straight at her, he would not have been able to read anything in her eyes. "I know."
"It....was a moment of weakness, I--"
"I know. It's okay."
"No. No, it isn't. Because of me--"
"It's alright, Junior. It's okay. I don't blame you."
"But.....but I failed you. You needed me.....they all needed me.....I failed them...." He put his head in his hands.
"What is done is done. You can't take it back, you can't bring them back. They knew what could happen to them in the fight."
"But it was because of me! What *I* did! They didn't have to....to d....d...And you. I...I put you in here, you wouldn't be in here if not for me, your power......It all fell apart, Kari. Because of me, it all fell apart."
She reached out and touched his shoulder, lightly. "The world is still standing, Junior. Life still goes on--"
"For some of us. For....others..."
"I will heal in time. So will you. I wanted to blame you, to make you the scapegoat, but I can't really. You were not strong enough, no. But that is alright. It's okay, I understand it, and I don't blame you."
He looked at her with red eyes. "Kari, I took your strength. You have no more powers. And there is blood on my hands that will not wash away. ME. I did this. It will never be okay."
She looked at him sadly. "I can't forgive you, Junior, because I don't blame you. If you want forgiveness, you must forgive yourself."
He was quiet for a long moment. "When do they let you out of here?"
"Tomorrow."
"Will....will you let me take you home?"
She thought about that for awhile. Than, she whispered: "No, Junior. I think it would be best if we kept our distance for awhile." Her voice did not quiver as she said this, but her heart was breaking.
Quietly, he left the room.
***RP***

***Stuff in the News today***
School Shootings: This is more proof that America just doesn't get it.
I saw a news piece today about how, on the internet, Harris and Klebold (the Columbine killers) are considered cult heros / martyrs. Websites are devoted to them, for example. And the news piece, broadcast on CBS, was about how everyone is shocked that someone would deify these two kids for killing so many people. They also went on to cite Eminem (of course! Let's dig his grave a little deeper. You know his ass deserved to win the Grammy, you were just to scared to give it to him cause it was against "popular opinion".), who, in his song "The Way I Am", talks (accurately) smack about the media, making a vague reference to Columbine: "when a dude's gettin bullied and shoots up your school...... " Of course, the whole reference was to show how the media falsely (and society) falsely puts blame on guys like Eminem and Marilyn Manson, because they are convenient scapegoats...but I digress. So, the piece was basically, "How could people make these killers heroes?"
This is why school shootings will continue. Guys like Klebold and Harris, and "Andy" Williams are, morbidly, considered heroes--because there are a LOT of kids out there that hate the way they are treated in high school, whether it's them being bullied or just being found "unpopular". No one seems to be able to understand that. No one seems to realize that, hey, maybe it's YOUR dumbass little douche bag of a son/daughter that's relentlessly taunting these kids. Then you wonder why kids like this explode. I mean, you can take the kindest, sweetest puppy in the world, and if you do nothing but abuse it.....eventually, one time it's just gonna go off and bite you. Same thing with these kids. They feel like cornered animals. I'm not saying it's right what they did; there's no way you could condone their actions, because nine times out of ten, their victims will be "innocent" (in the sense that the kids they wind up killing are most likely not the ones who were taunting them, but even if they are the ones, the bullies don't deserve to die either, no matter how the shooters feel). But I understand why they did it, and I understand why some people think they're heroes. Until people realize wake up and realize what's actually going on in these schools, this crap is gonna continue.

14 yr. old sentenced: I'm sure most of you have heard about this story, but today the 14 year old boy who was convicted of murdering a young girl by using pro wrestling maneuvers on her was sentenced to life imprisonment. The boy's defense was that he was imitating the wrestling moves he saw on the WWF, and did not know that he had seriously injured the girl. He was convicted anyway, though, thanks in part to the autopsy results, which show the girl died from massive trauma (her skull was fractured, for instance).
This case particularly interested me, because I'm a big wrestling fan. I know it's fake, it's campy, it's soap operaish, but I like it anyway. Always have, ever since I was a little kid. I've actually had the chance to meet and talk with pro wrestlers before as well (for the other rasslin' fans out there, here's my opinion, based upon experience: Nicest wrester---Raven. Real cool guy in real life, nice and a lot of fun. Biggest prick--Lex Luger. God, the man is a dick. Wouldn't even sign an autograph for a little kid!), and any one of them would tell you to NOT attemp to do any move on anyone else. It's funny to think, but those guys actually do get trained. They know how to fall, how take a bump, how to do a move.....if you're inexperienced, you're gonna get hurt. That's basically what this kid did. He pummeled this little girl, and then copped the defense that he was just imitating what he did on TV (a unique variation of the "Twinkie defense"). It didn't work.
It was a disturbing sight in the courtroom, though. This kid, 14 years old, with tears streaming down his face when the judge told him that he would be spending the rest of his life behind bars. It's a heavy thing to think about.....and the sad thing about it is that his mom did it to him. She could have copped a plea, but didn't, cause she didn't really think what her son did was that wrong. Cause BIG SURPRISE--she obviously wasn't paying enough attention to the kid. I don't have kids, but I'm reasonably sure that under my supervision, they wouldn't piledrive each other into oblivion. It's just a sad case all around.

Send in the Clones: A council in Rome today basically said that there was nothing they could do to stop the cloning of humans. They claim that literally thousands of people from all around the world have been inquiring on how they can clone themselves, or in the case of infertile couples, how they can use cloning technology to obtain offspring. The coucil hypothesizes that, within one year's time, we'll be staring into the drooling face of the first human clone baby.
The really sad thing is that my dad and I will so totally not be getting any royalty checks for all of this wonderful science. We were the first, okay, people! A little recognition won't kill you!!!
Seriously, this is pretty trippy. With 6 billion people on the earth, do we WANT to start cloning each other? Unless you can grow me a life-size, mature (adult) clone of someone like Kirsten Dunst (for purely companionship purposes, of course ;), I shall stay away from your demon science.

The O.J. Trial Redux: Say what you will about O.J. Simpson--he's a murderer, he's deranged, blah blah blah, and you might be right, but I'll say this about him--he's a man who just keeps on giving.
O.J. has apparently decided to represent *himself* in his upcoming trial stemming from a road rage incident. He's up on assault charges, as well as a lesser charge that I can't recall. But can you believe it? O.J., defending himself! I shall be riveted to court TV for the duration, that's a promise. I give him five minutes before he meltdowns.

***End News stuff***

Imzadi: You ask, "How can you go around criticizing/bashing other people's writings?"
Easy. You just did it yourself. Witness:
<<Sev Jr: The new star trek is gonna suck. Hard.>>
There you go. What, you don't think a lot of hard work goes into making a new Trek show? You don't think the scripts are a labor of love, or that the authors aren't happy with their product? It's THAT easy to dismiss someone else's work, we all do it all the time. You just did it with Star Trek. But I doubt anyone is going to lecture you about how you shouldn't "bash Trek's work because the scripts are a labour of love for the writers". Any, honestly, I don't think that anyone should lecture you, regardless of whether they would or not.

See, what most people don't understand about Fred's criticism of Destine's work (and I really shouldn't have to defend him, he does it himself very well, but...) is that it's philosophical. Fred doesn't recognize the genre as worthy of artistic/literary merit, and thus is worthy of contempt. (A view I happen to share, ironically enough ;) He has been called a prude (by guess who? C'mon, guess who it was! Brownie point if you can name names! ;) for this attitude, because he refuses to accept the genre. My favorite criticism of his criticism, from an individual no longer regularly posting in this room, was that perhaps Fred's sexuality was questionable because he did not like Destine's work. Tee hee!

I know some of you don't fully understand Fred's (or my) philosophy on the matter. Doug, for instance, because he agrees with Fred and disagrees with him in the same breath. Doug, correct me if I'm wrong, but you say you agree with me in my opinion of porn/erotica (that it has no artistic merit whatsoever) and then remark on how you do enjoy the literary work of folks like Christine or Madame Destine in that particular field of erotica (it's a contradiction, my boy, and I don't know if the confusion stems from my failure to accurately explain my view or whether you interpreted my words differently than how I meant them). Or maybe you do understand his philosophy, and just don't care. Hmm.

Oh, and if apparently no one is professing to be a literary giant, shall I be the first? Than I shall! I AM A LITERARY GIANT!!!

<<I'd ask all the fanfic writers in here who their favorite characters to write are.>> That's easy! Greg Weisman.
Ooops, that's a secret...
Well, I technically haven't written anything...not much, anyway....but I'll say ME. I like writing about me. I'm the only subject appropriate to be written about by a literary giant such as myself. ;p
Seriously...assuming that I wasn't being serious before...I like to write about the Sevari....namely, Anton Sevarius and Thailog. For obvious reasons.

Carter Criticism: I'm beginning to think that Chris Carter is a one trick pony. X-Files is the only show of his that has been any good. I mean, Lone Gunmen, from what I've seen, is just plain HORRIBLE. Harsh Realm was only moderately better, but still not worthy in my opinion. Millennium was good for the first season, until it became a clone of "Profiler" (and Lance Henriksen, God love him, is no Ally Walker) and started having "The Serial Killer of the Week". X-File is the only show with staying power, and the only reason that I ever watch that show anymore is a) if Jackass isn't on, or b) because of the tasty Gillian Anderson (who's underused, even with the absence of David "I suck all energy from the room, I have the personality of a black hole, the only time I was ever amusing was when I was supposed to be homo for Gary Shandling" Duchovny).

But now I must break from my train of thought and tell you that lain is a JERK!! A big, big, JERK!! A JERKface, queen of the JERKS!! ;) :D

lain: Your relationship with your dad does concern me, though. It's not right for him to act this way towards you about his girlfriend....I mean, how long ago did your mother die? A year or two? He should understand that even if you cared about this new woman in his life, she would NEVER replace your mother. You could still even be grieving for her. Why he's being so insensitive, I have no idea.
BTW, what's up with the pottery? WHY would he want to smash his wife's art? That bothers me. If this is your dad's way of coping with loss, by totally eradicating all memories of his deceased spouse....well, I'll be nice and say that it's not the way I think things should be done.

****ENTERTAINMENT NEWS***
Two new movies open this week. "Get Over It", starring Kirsten Dunst and Ben Foster. I won't see it, but it does have 5 good things in it: Kirsten Dunst, Kirsten Dunst in a bikini, Kirsten Dunst, Martin Short playing a gay drama teacher who's in love with one of his male students, and oh yeah, Kirsten Dunst. But even Kirsten Dunst's barely restrained breasts shall not put my ass in a theater seat (although they are tempting.....dear sweet baby Jesus, they are tempting...)
The other movie is "15 Minutes", a black satire on people trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. It stars Robery DeNiro, aka Bobby D, aka the Biggest Whore In Hollywood (I'm sorry, the man's a whore. He's in, like, 839 movies this month alone. He'll take any part if it pays enough). And before you ask, yes, it is DeNiro doing his tough guy style. Cause DeNiro only has 4 acting styles: Gangster DeNiro, Tough Guy DeNiro, Crazy DeNiro ("You talking to me?"), and Hilariously Wacky DeNiro ("I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?"). I won't be going to see this movie either, even though I find myself strangely cheering for the two evil European killers (one of whom is the UFC's own Oleg Taktarov!).

You know, Joss Whedon really impresses me. Why? Cause he's vowed that Joyce Summers WILL stay dead. She won't be resurrected, she won't come back to life, this was not all a dream, it's *over*. Thank God there's someone in the genre who appreciates death and is respectful for what it means.
Is it possible to have Joss write every comic book in existence now? Cause they could use his wisdom.

The White Wolf gaming company has scored quite a coup--they've hired acclaimed comic book writer Warren Ellis (who's written such gems as "Transmetropolitan") to do some work for their upcoming RPG game, "Adventure". The game is supposedly designed to be like the pulp adventures such as The Shadow, or Indiana Jones, or The Phantom, etc. Sounds interesting.
But remember when White Wolf just put out a strong horror product? I say stick to that. I didn't like Trinity, and Aberrant, while a good premise, just didn't turn out like I thought it would.

Kevin Smith once again proves that he's a golden boy: his first issue of Green Arrow, the revived DC comic, has not only sold out of comic stores faster than free nekkid photos of Seven of Nine, but apparently interest has been sparked in Hollywood, which is putting out feelers to make a GA movie.
I'd love to see a Kevin Smith written/directed GA movie. But please--no Ben Affleck as Olly, okay? Or Matt Damon as Arsenal. But Christ, give Jason Lee some work, okay, the boy needs it!

Good Rob Zombie news: In the wake of his movie, "House of 1,000 Corpses" being dumped by Universal, it looks as if New Line has expressed interest in picking it up. I hope so, cause I'm jacked to see the film now. Any film that's rated NC-17 for gore and violence has got my full attention.

Disney has announced that it plans to release to theaters everywhere an animated sequel to Peter Pan, set for the spring of 2002. Unfortunately, I hear that the hardcore sex scene between Peter and Tinkerbell has been edited out, goddamnit. Oh well, a little extra something for the DVD!

And finally.....in what amounts to the most nauseating news of the day.....Apparently David Hasslehoff has some serious thought to bringing KnightRider back to the airwaves. The story would center around him, the original Knight Rider, being thawed out from cryosleep (he was frozen? When did this happen? Oh wait....I don't care....) to help the great-great-great-whatever granddaugher of Devon and a "new, future Knight Rider" stop bad guys.
If this show ever becomes a reality, it will be the end of all humanity, because I will personally start a nuclear war to spare humanity from this blight.
***END ENTERTAINMENT NEWS***

And let's finish this up with:

***RESUME RP!!!***
The Mountain.

He descended into garden, where he knew the other two would be. "I have talked to the Oracle," he told them.
"What wonderful little lies has she been telling you now?" the woman asked. She was lazily lounging by the reflecting pool at the heart of the garden.
He ignored her insolence. "We are in luck. The Fourth of us has been injured."
The third one, a man, spoke up: "I don't really see how that is lucky. Why should we take such delight in the pain of another of our kind?"
He chuckled. "Don't be so sensitive. You misunderstand my meaning. Her injury has left her vulnerable, in more ways than one. Now is our time to move. We won't get an opportunity like this again." He nodded at the other male. "Are you ready."
"If I must."
"Than go. Bring our sister back to us." With a sigh, the other man shrugged and blurred out of sight.
He turned back to the woman, who was conveniently ignoring him. He laughed to himself, a deep, hearty laugh, and full of mirth. Soon, he thought, three would become four, and the cycle would begin again.
***END RP FOR NOW***
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 09:06:17 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

*enters*

Bullies>This is just me, but I don't tolerate bullying. If I were principle at a school, I would bring back the paddle on any kid who bullied someone. Now I know this sounds cruel to some parents, but I think kids need to realize what its like to be hurt by someone. Or maybe this is just me feeling vengeful towards all mean kids. >:) I still feel bitterness over the first five years of living in Davis. They were hellish years for me. :(
Beth H.
Friday, March 9, 2001 09:02:25 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

**enters with his clothes back to their hevelled state, as opposed to their dishevelled state of the previous night**

Okay, a couple things to discuss ...

Bullies in school: I actually have a unique perspective on this ... I got bullied *A LOT* in school, but the reason I never fought back was because of an incident in kindergarten when, because of my size, it was ASSUMED that I was the bully in a fight situation, and therefore I received the punishment. ("Oh, the little sweet kid with the nunchukus couldn't *POSSIBLY* fight back against fatso here, he's only half his size!" **rolls eyes** Puh-leeze ...)
What has to take place in schools is that more notice has to be taken on what kids are doing to each other. I would've been much happier if there had been better supervision. On the other hand, it also comes down to what kind of home lives the bullies have ... are they *taught* at home that the kinds of things they do to others are okay? If so, then God help us all, because I knew some *extremely cruel* bullies in school ... I never want to come across any of them again if I live to be 300 years old.
It's basically things that need to be done at all levels with bullies that will solve this problem. Otherwise, don't be surprised if you see more Charles "Andy" Williamses creeping out of the woodwork.

Greg B: By far, I enjoy writing Brooklyn most. With Lexington a slim second ... I know I had quite a bit of fun having him joyride with Pontiac. :)

Ah well, 'sall for me tonight.

**shuffles out**
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, March 9, 2001 07:56:15 PM
IP: 216.28.101.74

I'm back! Yes I actually get a weekend. HAHAHAHAHAHA! My time in the field wasn't that bad this time, just more windy since we were by a beach (I've never seen snow fall sideways before). My gunner and I were able to fire a stinger missle, which was fun. That thing has a little bit of a kick to it when it fires.

Fire Storm<<DON'T GET DEAD!>> Agreed. That's like the last thing on my To Do list. Thanks.

Doug- Happy B-day.

Kit-Yep I survived and as for my state of mind...well just being able to come here is enough to keep my head on straight.

School Shooting- After I finish typing I'm going to go scream about it again.

Well that's all I have for now, have to go read the new eps.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 06:45:28 PM
IP: 211.237.77.44

ORDELL - Thanks for the review of Season One; I thought that you made some good points. One that I especially agree on is the overdose of Arthurian flashbacks in "Pendragon" at the start of Season One (which may have become the spin-off's main albatross); at the time, the then-head of Breakdowns for "Pendragon" was a fellow who was more of a King Arthur fan than a Gargoyles fan, and who primarily wanted "Pendragon" to be an Arthurian retelling with Arthur and Griff's adventures being merely the framework for the stories. We came to our senses a little too late, after which the chap in question apologized and resigned (he felt that TGS was starting to wreak havoc with his personal life, anyway); it was too late for us to change "Pendragon" for the better, but we still did have a few stories such as "Into the Woods" to salvage the season. But it was a lesson for us. (The chap provided us with an additional problem in that the flashback sequences that he wrote for the first draft of "The Goddess of Winter" were mostly novelized forms of the movie "Excalibur", which didn't fit our plans very well - the Merlin of "Excalibur" as played by Nicol Williamson was, in particular, quite different from the Merlin of TGS - and so it had to be heavily rewritten).

Although I will confess that I did enjoy writing the Arthurian flashback scenes in "The Last Enchantment" and "The Goddess of Winter" (second draft). But if I could rewind time back to the beginning of 1997, when TGS was just getting set up, I'd have gone for a much less flashback-heavy approach for "Pendragon"; we'd go for just the basics to explain the present-day conflicts (such as Morgana's hatred for Arthur, for example), and make it mainly Arthur and Griff's 20th century adventures up till the point where they found Merlin.

(I'd probably also have handled Merlin's parentage a bit differently. I would probably still have gone for making his father a "Prince of Darkness"-type figure instead of Oberon, since that part of Merlin's legend interested me a lot and I wanted to do something with it, but he wouldn't be a faerie; instead, he'd be one of the last surviving members of an ancient race that had preceded the fay the way that the Titans preceded the Olympian gods in Greek mythology, imprisoned somewhere in a deep mountain cave and bound with chains of adamant, able to send a piece of himself out into the world to father Merlin but trapped for the most part - more the way that we actually did Apep in TGS).

As for which characters I most enjoyed writing; well, I very much liked doing Emrys/Merlin and Mary Sefton in "Pendragon"; I also liked doing Morgana and James Seabairn as antagonists (Seabairn, in particular, was a lot of fun to write - I still enjoy his lines to Arthur in "The Once and Future King Part One" - a really flippant villain).

I also enjoyed writing "Perspectives" for "Dark Ages", particularly the Brother Edmund bits (where, in particular, I hit upon what I think is a very good explanation for how gargoyles can be creatures of God rather than Satan and still be involuntarily nocturnal). And the Lord Sorcerer scenes in "The Adopted" (I see him as a real foil for the Archmage, much more intelligent and level-headed, far less prone to rants and melodramatic gestures, and very much aware of the Archmage's disposition towards such immature behavior - I see him as also liking to rub it in that the Archmage is just "hired help" to Prince Malcolm where the Lord Sorcerer is a landed nobleman in his own right, with his own castle).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, March 9, 2001 06:04:54 PM
IP: 216.87.46.149.dialup-stl.primary.net

Greetings all...

GREB B - <<With all this talk of fanfic and stuff, I figured I'd ask all the fanfic writers in here who their favorite characters to write are.>>

As a former writer and staff head of TGS, I'm glad to see someone ask that sort of question.

Since I joined the staff during Season 2 of the Main Cycle, I found myself primarily focused on stories that dealt with Coldstone and Coldfire. They were fun to work with, inasmuch as it was interesting to take them and play with the foibles of the one being obsessive (Coldstone) and the one wishing to rejoin Goliath and the Clan, but wanting to stand by her mate.

I also got a kick out of writing Hudson in "Disobedience" (one of my favorite lines i wrote for the old soldier was him snarling at Sekhmet - "I'd say the odds have changed, Lass . . . care tae go around again? Or would ye rather leave tae clean yuir whiskers?") Also did the Owen and Grahme and Arianna scenes in that episode as well. Really fun stuff!

I've written for three of the four TGS spinoffs, but my favorite one to write for - as odd as it seems - has been the least popular series, Dark Ages. Most of the writing I did was fun to do. In "Kindred Spirits" and had a blast doing Angus, the Blacksmith. But the absolute favorite characters I had to work with were Asrial and Thersites... their one scene in "Serendipity" in her workshop cave was a treat to write! In truth, the whole of that story was fun to work with; interesting characters, situations and it was also one of the best ways I got to get Goliath and Demona's characterizations down.

Well, that's all from me... Maitnain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Friday, March 9, 2001 04:59:14 PM
IP: 65342hfc52.tampabay.rr.com

Hi again everyone< It's me the day dreamer of the comment board ^_^ well anyway I was thinking about something....when they are all living in the clock tower (goliath, Brooklyn ect.) how old are they I could never think that out well if anyone could tell it would be swell ok see ya ^_^!!
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Friday, March 9, 2001 04:28:58 PM
IP: 1cust134.tnt2.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

I see the room was busy since I left. Oh and in case you are wondering...
�Do you even have a job any more?�
�I think it�s pretty obvious I don�t!�
LOL
Actually I just don�t have anything to do at this moment. ;P
Life is good. ^_^

Caliope> **HUGZ** <reruns now till at LEAST April> No! It�s on this killer high right now. Unfortunately there probably will be a string of reruns with the stingy network executives. Hmm, can I look for the Cali show yet? That would be some must see TV! ;D <princess of PR> Oh! Your highness. **bows** ;P <WAY too shy to model in the buff> **grins** Maybe with a little extra encouragement... And they could provide a mirror for you so you have a model too! J/K If this doesn�t earn some form of retaliation I�ll be shocked! ;P <tickling> You can come out of hiding. I won�t tickle you unless tempted or dared. ;) <silly> Do I get counted as a SILLY friend? **bounces from one foot to another waiting to find out** ^_^

Fire Storm> <AMERITECH woes> Ack! Well I hope it gets better otherwise DC will become your personal whipping boy! That is if he isn�t already. ;)

Christine> That�s good news on making the cut. I�m rooting for you!

Spacebabie> Thank goodness it all worked out. Still life is tough; glad to know you�re tougher.

Men getting grumpier and brain shrinkage> Actually I have a tendency to upset people as I choose not to get grumpy or angry. Notably the past few years I�ve only portrayed angry or grumpy on a premeditated basis as I�ve thought it would work best in the given situation. Also with my friends this model doesn�t hold true. To me this whole idea seems too generalized but a passable joke. ;D

Super Cyborg Automated Armadillos> LOL The first time I read about them I saw it I grinned. It felt like a good comical spoof that would be easily recognizable. In my opinion this parody of Power Rangers is still funny. Still I wouldn�t want it making regular appearances and think it is best in relatively small doses. As for the clans the adult gargoyles in Pendragon seem to show their distaste more vehemently.

SOROW> Hey I�d really miss you if you stopped coming in here! **concerned comforting hug** Communication can certainly be tricky. With only words representing the posters here it can be difficult to know exactly what different people mean. Plus I take into consideration that anyone can have a bad day then maybe do something they wouldn�t normally. Also I�ve had two roommates in my life that were very blunt and would say things that hurt people which wasn�t their intent in the slightest. I hope my thoughts and feelings here give you hope. <cat and job> I hope happiness and good times find you right away. I�ll be praying for you. I agree with Doug that it would be good to move on and don�t hesitate to lean on your friends whenever you need to.

Niamhgold> Hurray! Glad to see you even if it is a quick appearance. I�ll catch up with you later. **huggles**

Gleeb> Someone probably already answered but you are restricted to the CR images. It�s not bad as we have a new wider selection now! :)

Lain> <about Warpmind and Gunjack Valentine> Thanks for the laugh. I found your comments funny. :D <recent developments> Good points. I hope you manage to get all the pottery.

Doug> I certainly hope you find what you are looking for in a new security job. I�m glad you have been pulled out of the whole forklift incident.

Imzadi> <God I love having a mac...just pull open the side door and WALLAH!> Hmm, that sounds like my PC. Open, put in, close. All too easy. ;)

Warpmind> Ouch. That�s a low embassy blow. :(

Shadowrider> I haven�t received any letters since your last visit but I was wondering how you were doing and had started preparing my next letter. This weekend promises to be busy for me but I�ll make a little time to send email so we can catch up.

Daniel Johnson> Good to see you in top form! :)

Okay time for me to go. Bye.

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Friday, March 9, 2001 03:00:50 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Favorite person to write fanfiction about> Macbeth
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Friday, March 9, 2001 02:57:43 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-5.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Howdy peeps>

Well, trechcoat wearers everywhere can breath a sigh of relief. This latest spate of school violence has set the scapegoating sights on bullies. I find it interesting that rather than try to cut down on bullying (like it's possible) they focus instead on coping skills. I don't think it will work but I have a low opinon of psychologists in general. The best advice I heard was that there is safety in numbers. But the rest like trying to have kids fit in and turning the other cheek make limited sense and to a kid probably no help what so ever. The best advice I can give is don't give up and pain is temporary. The wolverine isn't the toughest animal in the forest because its the strongest or has the sharpest teeth. It's the toughest because it is relentless.

Favorite character to write> Harthoth runs number one, but the Illuminati a close second. I love characters that use their wits and force the hero to make tough choices. Of course, I've been known to come up with ideas that are too evil so it's no wonder I prefer the villains. Among the good guys, I like Elaine Duval. Again, I like intelligent characters who can roll wit hthe punches.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, March 9, 2001 02:26:35 PM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

and now for something rather humouous..

Warpmind de InzanE says:
Heey, found something fun today... wanna really freak out Valentine?
lain says:
ooo sure
Warpmind de InzanE says:
http://bleepitybleepbleep***ADULT CONTENT ALERT***.com - the cutest, most naively innocent demoness you can imagine - and a LOT of sex.
lain says:
oh near...
lain says:
er..
lain says:
DEAR..
Warpmind de InzanE says:
*Chuckle* She's cute, really... and very, very nice.
lain says:
reeeeeeeally?
Warpmind de InzanE says:
(I incidentally got my hands on a comic book with her...)
Warpmind de InzanE says:
*Big, evil groin* If THAT doesn't make Valentine nervous, I don't know what will.
Warpmind de InzanE says:
GRIN, dammit! GRIN! Not groin! EVIL TYPO!!!
lain says:
LOL!!!
Warpmind de InzanE says:
*Murdlerizes keyboard*
lain says:
hee hee
Warpmind de InzanE says:
That has GOT to be one of the most awkwardly timed typose I've seen this week!
lain says:
methinks the CR is gonnas LOOOOOVE that

tee hee...
oh the fun I have ;)

hope you enjoy it as much as I
:D
lain
Friday, March 9, 2001 02:09:29 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Greg B. - My favorite character to write. Well, for TGS, I'd have to go with Harthoth. He's probably the most complex of the original characters, and it's fun to get inside his head. Outside of TGS (as in my own series that's going through a serious revamp), I'd have to go with Brooklyn. He's fun to write in TGS, as well.
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [alan0815@hotmail.com]
Odessa/Midland, TX
Friday, March 9, 2001 01:34:42 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

New color for me once again.

I don't post here to often. I do check here once a day though. Sometimes more. I am on the TGS staff, and I've followed some of the best Garg fic writers in the fandom. Does TGS rip off Greg Weisman's master plan? That was the original intention all along. That was the purpose that people got together to do. They wanted to take what they knew about the future of the series, which at the time was very little, and try to continue the vision. What did they know when TGS was started? That Greg had planned some spin-offs. That was about it. Greg had said that he had planned to do something like 7 series: Pendragon, Timedancer, Dark Ages, Bad Guys, The New Olympians, Gargoyles 2158, and the continuation of the main series. They knew about the basic premise of each series: Pendragon dealt with King Arthur and Griff's search for Merlin and later the Holy Grail; Timedancer dealt with Brooklyn's adventures over fourty years; Dark Ages was a prequel to the main series; Bad Guys would deal with a group of vigilanties (Robyn, Fang, Dingo/Matrix, and Yama) and their search for redemtion; The New Olympians would deal with a hidden society suddenly coming in contact with the human world; Gargoyles 2158 would deal with the clan of the future; and they had no clue where the main series was going.

Did they do a good job of capturing these visions in TGS? Look at the four series chose for the first season: Gargoyles, Pendragon, Timedancer, and Dark Ages. In all honesty, yes and no.

The first season of TGS: Gargoyles is a strewn of twenty different writers trying to lay ground-work twenty separate arcs planned. A ton of new characters are introduced, it's long (somewhere around 40 episodes), sometimes repetitious (how many times can we see the relationship between Demona and Angela) and unbelievable (Demona's redemption, for example). In the end, we're left with a serious cliffhanger to a major story arc that had an extremely subtle buildup over the course of a year. The only thing the original staff knew about was Brooklyn's dances, and that's incorperated.

TGS: Pendragon season one has mixed feelings, at least from me. The first half of the season is comprised costly of flashbacks (ala Highlander style) that lay groundwork for a re-worked version of the Arthurian legend. In all honesty, unless you're heavy into that type of stuff, it's kind of boring. The second half of the season is excellent, though. We get better glimpses into the modern lives of our characters and the London clan. The main arc of the season is pushed foward with "Into the Woods" and we're left with a very satisfying season finale with "Quest's End" while at the same time leaving plot threads open for later seasons: Rory and Leba's intersion into the group, Merlin/Emrys' discovery, and the villians that were introduced throughout the season.

And ah, the series known of TGS: Timedancer. It seems to be most peoples' favorite. It offers some of the best fan fiction ever written with "Requiem," "The Promise" and "For Old Times' Sake." It lays ground work for future plot threads like Harthoth, Meryt, and Sata. It has a sense of closure in the finale. But, as a whole, is it good? It depends. Most of the episodes have nothing to do with the main arc. You can skip over alot of them and still understand what is going on. It moves to fast, Sata is introduced to soon, and is reveals to much of the future of the main cycle. Again, it's an example of to many writers trying to do to many things in to quickly a time.

Let's look at TGS: Dark Ages. To be honest, once again, I don't like it. It's to exestential, introduces to many characters not followed up on, and the point of view just seems odd to me. I think the main reason is that you simply know the fate of all the characters who don't survive the massacre years later. You can't put Goliath in a relationship with Asrial and expect it to be interesting, because you know that Goliath eventually end up with Demona, and later with Elisa. I think what turned me off of Dark Ages was the episode "Wanderer" which is a massive 97 pages long. Most people don't want to read a novel online, nor do they have the time. There are some good episodes in the bunch, and it's especially interesting to see Demona's decent into the darkness.

Hey, this turned out being a review of the first season. It really wasn't meant to be. But, yes, the original intent of TGS was always to attempt to follow Greg's master plan as closely as possible.

And I'm ranting now, so I think it's time to get back to work...
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, TX
Friday, March 9, 2001 01:31:57 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

I figured I'd lighten up the room.

With all this talk of fanfic and stuff, I figured I'd ask all the fanfic writers in here who their favorite characters to write are.

I'd say I'm always proud of writing Demona. She is an extremely complex and gray character, and a challenge to write. But I like getting inside her head. I was proud of the way she came out in "Contingencies" and I plan to write for her again. Her being my favorite character may play a role here as well.

But I found Thailog to be the most fun to write for. I always liked him, but while writing "Contingencies" he became one of my favorite characters. Also, it showed me that I have a knack for writing really evil villains. As I said, I love him, he's so deliciously evil.

The little I wrote for Madoc and Maeve in season 2 was fun, and I enjoyed writing for Emrys in the "Pendragon" episodes I wrote. Arthur as well.

I haven't gotten a chance to write for Xanatos yet, but I hope to one day.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 01:28:38 PM
IP: dialin-1549-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hi all..

well I have two things to say today.. one is a complaint and one is kinda a rant.

The first has to do with Libraries and the people who use them. Today, I had to find some periodical references so that I can write an essay. I had to find to articles from Scientific American, one from 1977 and one from 2000. The one from 1977 I found but the one from 2000... well.. I found the book but the article had been torn out and taken by another stdent in the class.. so that they could save 7 cents a page on photocopying.
I find this awfully frustrating because it means I have no source for writing the essay.

The second thing is about my father. Aside from the fact that I know I am going to get an earful this weekend, I have been threatened by my father that he will "make my life miserable" if I say even a tiny thing out of place to his girlfriend. I called him up yesterday and said "hey dad, if she's going to be there that's fine because I have a lot of work to do so you can do whatever you want" He says that's fine but.. she won't be staying (ie sleeping) at the house when I am there. This is apparently something they have decided.
so right.. they can do whatever they want when I am not there but as soon as I show up, suddenly there is something wrong with it.
and you know.. honestly.. I have no problem with her staying over. I know they are sleeping together.. so what? My father can't be a lonely old man forever.. and as long as I don't have to hear it, it's fine. I am sleeping in front of the fire in the basement, his room is two floors up. *shrug*
but it seems to me that this "not having her over while daughter is home" business is.. almost a confession of guilt.. almost an admission that something is not quite right because.. if it is "right" when daughter is not home, why would it suddenly be "wrong" when daughter IS home??
I don't really understand quite what I'm thinking here so.. maybe someone could help me here?

the other reason I have to go home this weekend is to smuggle out some of my mother's pottery that my father wants to smash. Okay, so he had a smashing session before with pottery that was faulted (which is fine because my mum would have done that anyways and would have wanted it) but these he wants to destroy now are perfectly fine. They are beautiful and funtional pieces of art.. and sorry Dad.. they are just as much mine as they are yours...
and you ain't smashing em.
*sighs quietly*

oh well.. I'll take some pencil crayons home too and make some artistic messes on paper and feel lots better ;)
AND demand my passport and other personal doccumentation which belongs to ME.. what a GOOD idea... then he REALLY won't own me anymore..
mmmm I am liking this idea more and more..
*more contented sigh*

I will probably be banned from the computer this weekend so.. if I'm not online you'll know why :)

lots of love,

lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North, where it is currently still snowing..
Friday, March 9, 2001 01:20:56 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

**WORK RELATED**
Darn, I have to work Saturday and Sunday this weekend. Interestingly enough, a "Process Engineer" has been in my area. I am tempted to ask him if part of his job is to help eliminate the need for us to work overtime.

Paycheck - I got my paycheck last night. They do things 'interestingly'. First, they list all my hours and give me normal pay for that. Then they list all my overtime hours and give me half pay for those. Then, they list my 'shift differential' and give me pay for that. It makes me wonder if I get 'shift differential' on my overtime pay.

Oh yea, I finally got a USED toolbox for work. They will not give me a key because they are changing the security system out. Did I mention the current security is nominal in working?
**END WORK RELATED**

**RP RELATED**
Ok, I am currently open for someone drawing the ITAG symbol: an open eye with eye lashes visible. Any readily available pictures would be nice.
**END RP RELATED**

**BFTS RP continues**
"Well, from the looks of things, NCA did not surive your attack. Plastique drove you home and the Speed Stars ambushed you and destroyed your car. Luckily, our agents just happened to be around to save you without getting spotted by the Speed Stars."

DPH thinks, "I do not believe him because it sounds too convient. I guess I will have to talk to either David G or Daniel J about what the truth is."
*MEANWHILE*
"The ideal person to send through is DPH. If he was not unconscious . . ", said Larry Jones.

"DPH regained consiousness moments ago," interrupted Scott Attebury.
**END BFTS RP**
Will DPH meet up with Jason Filler again?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, March 9, 2001 01:19:28 PM
IP: max1-46.cwy.cei.net

-To Doug-
... one little off hand comment on Greg (and not even a negative comment.) and suddenly everyone is on my case. I don't get it.

-To Warpmind de InzanE-
Forgive my ignorance, but what does LTNS mean?

Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 12:04:15 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Pistoff> I know it sounds crazy and I know what you mean, though there have been those amazing times when someone died and then shortly after the person died he/she was revived.
and also I know what you mean interms of trenchcoats, I own to black ones. I've had some people be scared for their lives when I wore it and at school....my god....thanks to those damn stupid shooting, if a student was wearing a trenchcoat and a teacher saw them, he got a few hours of detention and was really bitched at too which was highly unfair
Ranma Saotome - [Ranma_Saotome79@tendodojo.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 11:36:24 AM
IP: host-209-214-112-78.bna.bellsouth.net

SOROW:
*HUG* I'm sorry. They'd better not fire you for something like that. Grrr...

And I agree that the atmosphere in here has been getting a little hot. I'm not in the mood for it, and like Jannie I'm staying out of it.
----
Jannie:
<<poor men.. they are always having to worry about shrinkage of some kind, huh?>> Oh, you're bad! :)

Actually, DSL is no more insecure than a dial up modem connection. It's just that, as you pointed out, because it's always on and has greater bandwidth, it makes you a more attractive target. The best way to protect yourself is to do what I did: get a router. Broadband routers are pretty inexpensive these days. Just set it to reject all incoming packets that aren't responses to outgoing packets and you're about as safe as you can get. You do this with Network Address Translation (NAT). Also, if you're not running any file/web/printer sharing services, there's no way anyone can get into your system anyway. And spammers can't use your computer unless you have an SMTP server running on it, like sendmail. UNIX and Linux systems will have this, but Macs and PCs generally won't unless you've installed something.
----
Doug:
Yep, he's a cool dog. :) I take him to work sometimes. Don't even need a leash on him, because he won't leave my side. And the nor'easter was pretty much a flop here. It snowed all day Monday and melted as soon as it hit the ground. :P But, it was interesting to see everyone panic over nothing. :)
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Pistoff:
Ah, a fitting end to Al Gore. May he rest in pieces. :)

About TGS: please remember that the make up of the staff keeps changing and so do the ideas that go into it. The planning currently going on has very little to do with anything Greg has said. Old members leave, new ones join; things change. Has TGS "ripped off" Greg's master plan? You could say that. You could just as easily say that about ANY fanfic. I can't speak for anyone else, but as a TGS staff newbie I can say that I'm not following any master plan. I'm just using my imagination.

And if anyone has any complaints about how things are going (or aren't going), they should say so. Otherwise, nothing will change. The staff does pay attention to what people say here; it just might not be immediately apparent. This is a fan effort after all.
----
Patrick:
DSL is tricky. From what I've heard, if it works, it works great. If you have problems, well, you're up a gum tree without a paddle. I have Verizon DSL and have had no appreciable problems. It hardly ever goes down, and when it does it's only for a short while. But, other people have complained bitterly about their Verizon service, so YMMV.

Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Friday, March 9, 2001 11:00:58 AM
IP: adsl-138-89-70-193.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Hey everyone, it's me again! Oh yes, another licence...until Monday, like the last time. Luckily, these three weeks were not as exausting as the previous five, just some routine work of manteinance and repairing, and the usual training to keep up our level. We're starting up preparations for some greater things this Spring...but it is another thing. I, for me, am keeping myself quite busy. I'm trying to prepare myself for the admission tests to the Academy, meaning a good deal of studying, and another deal of heavy gym sessions...the first test is going to be in a few weeks...
Oh, well...I'll try to make a skim of the CR's last weeks now but, needless to say, if anyone could make to me a quick summary of the main events, I'd really appreciate it...;)
Now, a couple of things I must do now...

Doug:> Happy belated Birthday! I'm sorry if I couldn't semd you my wishes in time...actually, I remembered your birthday's date, and I eventually thought to send you a post-dated e-card, but I had no time to do it last time I was home. I hope you have had a good birthday with Kit, and a lot of fun!

Winterwolf:> Hi friend, how are you? And, did you get my letter?

Niamhgold:> Hey, are you around? I hope you'll read this...anyway, I heard you was suffering for a strained tendon. I'm sorry I didn't send you my wishes last time I was here (I didn't know it...), I do it now. Well, I hope now everything is all-right...and, that you cared to follow the medician's prescriptions (I had a similar episode some years ago...but, instead of the six weeks of rest I was supposed to do, I did just three and the I restarted with Taekwon-do...and, as a result, my left leg made me suffer for the following two years...I was stupid, I know...).
If you read me, please gimme some news! :)
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Friday, March 9, 2001 10:27:36 AM
IP: h213-16-118.mi2.albacom.net

Hello Everyone! Oh yes, we have much Gathering News to share. Let's start with THREE NEW GUESTS. Elisa Gabrielli, voice of Obsidiana has joined our roster of voice artists planning to attend and Supervising Film Editor Bob Birchard and Storyboard Artist Sharon Forward have signed on as new crew guests. We're very excited to have them joining us.

Also, we've officially added Two LIVE MODELING WORKSHOPS to our schedule of events. You must preregister to participate as space will be strictly limited.

Our MASCOT has a name! And we have TEESHIRT ART! Disney Character Designer Greg Guler has pitched in and presented us with "Holly". You may see her on our newly revamped webpage http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org.

Please drop by the webpage to see all the latest Gathering updates. And we hope to see you at The 5th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles!

And hey, to friends like Doug and Kit who can't make it this year, please consider "Attending in Spirit" by becoming a Non Attending Supporting Member. Your participation will be acknowledged in the Official Gathering Program and you might win one of our Tee Shirts.

End Gathering Update.

Fred > Glad to see you're still your sweet sunny self. :)

Happy Thoughts to all that need them, and actually, don't we all?

Much later,
kathy - [kapogge@excite.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 10:05:19 AM
IP: rr-56-12-209.atl.mediaone.net

Warpmind> No coalation between sanity and sex. Lain> My parents were married when they had me therefore I am not a yastard (replaced y with b to keep post clean) and by the same token a woman is not the daughter of a canine therefore well none of them are yitches (see previous example) with the exception of true werewolves maybe
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Friday, March 9, 2001 09:18:32 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-5.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Patrick> poor men.. they are always having to worry about shrinkage of some kind, huh? *giggles*

As far as DSL is concerned - my brother mentioned that it is very insecure. DSL has you hard wired to the Internet 24/7 making you a high risk candidate for hacking. If you take it, you will need to add security features such as Black Ice to protect your firewalls somewhat and StopWatch to filter content - do a shutdown for unauthorized entries. If a hacker wants in to use your address for spamming, he will attack your firewall with automated software until it gets in. Then they use your addy to blast out the spam all over the world while you sleep.
DSL companies fail to mention this little possible invasion. O.o

Josh> I hope that you took the news report that I posted earlier in the humor in which I presented it. It is an actual news report, but I thought it was funny and cute.... no offense intended.

SJ> interesting info on the Star Trek�. I don�t think I�m going to like it much.

Doug> good luck on finding a new job :) Michael�s gf was telling us that the SuperCenter Wal-Mart (new one) has already had a turnover of over 500 employees in one year�. Plus they are having to cut one hour from everyone�s schedule this week in order to meet the payroll budget. Doesn�t sound like they�re doing too whoopy, huh? Geesh, I shop there enough to pay for the payroll budget! *L* This is also more evidence that proves the economy isn�t doing as great as the last presidential administration claimed. ;)

Sorrow> argh =( I understand about the cat� I�m that way with dogs. I had to stop doing volunteer work at the animal shelter � it broke my heart too much to see all of these poor babies and no homes. I went to the Wolf sanctuary and then cried all the way home. Heaven forbid should I ever step foot in an orphanage! I�ll end up with 20 kids! O.o
*chuckles at the thought of Denis and 20 kids*

*reads the �debates� on the various topics* noppers, I�m gonna� stay out of them � for now ;)

Jannie
Friday, March 9, 2001 09:15:18 AM
IP: 209-144-251-78.hou.port.mytelco.com

LC: > Re: Ways of making [Coyote] talk. >> Hmmm... shouldn't be too hard. If your methods don't quite work for any reason (tho I doubt you won't have any trouble, he's can be quite gullible), let me know, and I can and will get him to confess anything and everything. *evil grin*

Coyote: > Re: Little incident >> Er... I'm a little lost. Guess I'll have to find out what that meant by that later this evening.

I know there is more I can say, but not right now, since I'm only in here for a minute. Hopefully I can say more before the weekend is over.
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Friday, March 9, 2001 08:00:10 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

DOUG - Good point about "X-Men: Evolution", but keep in mind that they do have only 13 half-hour episodes, and that it becomes a little difficult to fit everything in under those circumstances. (One good argument for time-slots longer than half an hour, but the argument against it is that Saturday morning audiences don't have long enough attention spans).

IMZADI - I don't see the word in question where Emrys and Mary's relationship is concerned as "pursuing"; that describes better Brooklyn's interest in Maggie or Angela. This relationship isn't one-sided; it's mutual. But I'm getting a little tired of arguing the topic, so I'll just leave it at that.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, March 9, 2001 07:29:39 AM
IP: 216.87.46.168.dialup-stl.primary.net

Gathering Announcements > Stay tuned today to the comment rooms and the Gathering Newsletter for more exciting news. :)

On the subject of Star Trek > I'm not particulary anxious to see ANOTHER spinoff added to the Trek universe. And unless it is launched (no pun intended) before Voyager ends (like Voyager did while DS9 was still on the air, and DS9 did with TNG), they're probably going to have a hard time selling current fans on signing up with a new crew for another seven-year hitch.

Ten or so episodes of "Voyager" left until the finale... so if I apply the formula from the past several seasons, that means we'll certainly see the following before the end:

Ten more episodes where Seven says "That is irrelevant."
Nine more new alien species which we'll never see again.
Eight more utterances of "I'm a doctor, not a..." by the EMH who still hasn't picked a name for himself.
Seven more warp core failures repaired in the nick of time.
Six more references to "data streams" from the delta quadrant, but no more much enjoyed Counsellor Troi cameos.
Five more Seven of Nine Borg/human angst plots.
Four more Vulcan mind melds coutesy of Tuvok (remember when Spock used to caution all the time how dangerous and difficult those were?)
Three more episodes set primarily in the Holodeck
Two more episodes with cutesy, loveable Naomi Wildman is in
every other scene.
And no, not a partridge in a pear tree... One more instance where Harry Kim literally DIES to save the ship and STILL does not get a promotion (seven years and still an ensign... he rivals only Beetle Bailey now for longest time served as a lowest-level grunt).

Pistoff > I've never allowed any fanfic I've worked on to be posted that I wasn't proud to have written, and that includes both my work in TGS _and_ my Madame Destine work after. As we've discussed before... you have your reasons for disliking it, and kathy and I have our reasons for writing it. But this is the U.S.A. and we all have the right to our own opinions. :)

As for the pen name... we used it partly for fun, and partly because we were just coming off writing for TGS and, since we were going in a new direction, wanted to start fresh. Don't know what the big deal is... lots of authors have used them. The fic archive is FULL of assumed names.
Patrick Toman - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 06:46:54 AM
IP: aca86831.ipt.aol.com

*Warpmind enters, looking pretty grim.*
Okay, I'm angry. Was on the phone with the US Embassy yesterday, and there's been a change of plan. :( Seems Immigrations are tightening up a little. Which means, only way for me to stay in the US after G'01, would be to actually have a work visa issued by that time. And I suppose we all know how easily American enterprises will hire foreigners at entry level, hmmm? :( Ah, well, the other possibility would be a marriage visa, applied for by a fianc� already in the US. *Sigh* So, with any luck, and taking beureaucratic efficiency into the calculation... *Picks up guitar and begins to sing "I'll be home for Christmas..." in a rather blues-ish voice.*

Oh, well, on to the CR, which probably is more cheerful.

James Birdsong: I meant the sex bit. And take it from me, I know insane pretty well, and a functional sex drive does NOT qualify as insane. ;) (Though, THAT bit of me isn't insane, trust me.)

Pistoff: Spider Jerusalem, huh? Hmmm... I think I know a place that sells those glasses... };)

Lain: *Grin* Glad you like Pikachu. How's the book so far? :) And if I may be so blunt, your dad's an egocentric jerk. Give away *your* stuff to his girlfriend? *Sigh* Hope he's due for a little Reality Perception Adjustment soon... :(

*Sigh* Another school shooting? And I thought the CR would cheer me UP! :( Oh, well... I've said my piece on the matter before, but I might as well do it again... IMO, violent games are unlikely to spawn violence in RL, at least with the majority of us players. Most of us are, after all, able to see the difference between RL and a computer game. (RL usually gives trouble with adjusting the contrast and gamma correction, for instance - and just forget about changing resolution.) Me, I use violent games as therapy. On a normal day, I'll usually fire up a strategy game of some sort, but when I'm ticked off, well... Cyberdemons beware. (Hey, I have a 486! I can't RUN anything past Doom! Grrr!) That's my point, I guess - you don't grow violent from games unless you're already mentally unhinged... That is, unhinged in a BAD way. Oh, and until I got my own computer, I was a very aggressive person, by the way. No real frustration outlet save violence, which again led to some problematic situations, as I was physically inferior to everyone at school for many, many years... Now, I'm no longer an aggressively violent person, mainly because I know how easily I can kill someone barehanded... How's THAT for a paradox? :/ *Sigh* Even the faintest bit of Martial Arts training provides that little bit of understanding... I just wish more people would embrace that wisdom...

Lain again: M'dear, if you want to get to the root of why those kids are already imbalanced, don't look to external sources. As I understand it, it's usually either a) a chemical imbalance or b) a physical injury to the brain. And that can't be treated by taking away violent games or movies. Oh, and you don't leave the CR. Pleeeease?

As for Julieaexia (sp?): *Offers friendship-hug* I'd comment on it, but Kai already called for quits. Nonetheless... hope you manage to work things out...

GXB: Madoc and Maeve not a couple, but just friends? *Snickers* For some reason, the word "friend" just doesn't ring true wheneveer Madoc's mentioned in the same sentence... ;)

Ooo, and I gotta order Despair & Deliverance, and SOON... *Pinches Spike* Congrats, it must be real. ;)

Fire Storm: Actually, in Norway, the AoC is 16, not 14. As for where the next wave of killings will be... The Dennis Leary-grade Cynic in me suggests kindergarten... :(

Gside: Amigo, when I spoke of the mouse wheel as a tutoring tool... how do you operate the wheel? Take a long, good look at that, my friend. ;) As for my computer - it wasn't even intentional. It's Digivolved by own volition!

Cat: *Wolf whistle* Congrats, you two!!! :) As I said, it IS an epidemic going on here! ;)

Kit: *Nods frantically* I'm glad, too. :)

Heya, Gleeb. LTNS. ;)

Jannie: My brain is SHRINKING? Hooboy, and I've always been pretty dense even before I turned 20... ;)

Laint once more: Huh? Me? Pass on jokes about the turkey baster and jam? *Blink* 'Twasn't me! Oh, wait, you DID find that out already... *Whew* Heh, good deal... *Sneaks up to Valentine and covertly hands over a small stack of bills.*

Doug: Heh, make those four months a lot more than four months, due to a non-updated embassy website. :( Look at top of post... :( Oh, and I, too, hope my posting frequency will recover...

Well, that's about it... Later, guys. I've got a dunny and a sink to clean. AND a TGS episode to read... :/
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, March 9, 2001 05:11:55 AM
IP: mp-217-213-78.daxnet.no

::looks about:: heh... for what it's worth, I had no clue there was a new Star Trek coming out.. thanks.. I happen think that it'll be okay.. if only for a season... ALL of them have gotten that far... and even if not, who's to say there aren't people who love it... what makes OUR opinions so great? hmm? ::shrugs:: so far as I can tell humans have this NEED to think that they are, as individuals, the most important thing on the planet at any given time... I'm not saying I'm an exception.. just noting.. anyone else noticed lil things like that?

And yes, for those who know me, I AM trying to shift conversation to something POSITIVE-ish...well ... off the "bashing" topics, or otherwise...

::yawns:: well.. i babysat tonite... and watched cartoons till 4 am.. i need my sleep :p

Anyone sees Wolf stake his tail to the CR follr so i can pet him ::grins evilly:: ... among other things...

::catches lain's spring loaded hug:: thanks hon! ::uses spring loader to toss one back::

::tries to think if there's anything else she needs to do/say:: hmm.. if i forgot about you.. forgive me.. i'm not burning all thrusters right now.
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
hades, cold, wathching rugrats and kids movies...
Friday, March 9, 2001 04:11:37 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Nuts, nothing good on TV tonight. And damnit, I'm getting a girlfriend so that I can say silly things like ::gets dragged out of CR by supermodel:: and ::walks into CR with bite-marks on neck and lipstick marks on face and nail grooves on back:: hmmm, maybe I should just start saying that anyway...

Hey does anyone know where I can find good gargoyle art (inspired by the show) in high resolutions (like for desktop backgrounds? I remember seeing someone's huge art archive recently but I can't seem to remember where...

A small rant about criticism: Look people, you can't just go around bashing people's writings. When people post TGS spoilers, we try to say what specifically we liked and didn't like, and why. It does no one any good to just call someone's work "crap", especially considering how much work authors put into their writings. These fics are labors of love and the authors are proud of them. I'm working on my first fic now, and attitudes like this make me terrified to put it in the fic library on TGS. So far only one person has read it, and it may stay that way if a GARGOYLES comment room shows such blantant disreguard for authors feelings.

Todd: I think that whole "rejuvination" thing that TGS put together was kinda lame. I don't care how young I looked. If I were a really powerful 1500 year old wizard (even if my powers weren't what they used to be), I'd have a hard time justifying to anyone dating a teenaged girl. Hell, I don't even think I'd be interested in one at all. I know Merlin would be arrogant enough to consider her an emotionally-charged irrational person, even MORE so in his current state.

Tail stuff: I read Christine's fanfics a while ago when I burned through all the TGS stuff in about a month. I didn't remember any tail stuff, but I found it now that I was looking around.

Sev Jr: The new star trek is gonna suck. Hard. I think its funny that they always have a "token asian ensign" in every series that they kill and torture. Not that I don't like asians, I just find it amusing that they have someone of the same race in EVERY series that gets shafted. And that series finale of Voyager isn't coming soon enough.

Survivor: When I take over the world, this show will be banned. What a waste of perfectly good prime-time TV. The rest of the country may disagree with me, but they watch survivor, so what do they know!?

Triglycerine: Hey, those penguins need protecting! Besides, survival instinct would be stronger than the gargoyle instinct to protect. Remember, according to TGS, around 1000AD human started hunting down gargoyles as Madoc ran around in various guises telling humans that gargoyles were demons. I sure as hell wouldn't stick around, and I'm assuming that Lex isn't the only gargoyle that's as smart as I am. 8-)

Sorow: Bummer of a story. I love cats too, and I have a success story with a very similar-looking cat. Odd, huh? Just know that you can always find friendship in here.

Greg: <>: Oh I can't wait! I love flame wars.

LC: <<maybe I should just go for a second roughing call>>: No comment

Gside: <<Veggies are ueless. It's all about the meat>>: AMEN! <<Never get involved in a land war in Asia>>: I don't recall war having anything to do with that comment. <<It could be retro by then>>: 18-year old gargoyles (= 9yr old humans) wouldn't get "retro" any more than my 12 year old brother trying to figure out why the PT Cruiser is actually selling. And you wouldn't want to get involved in a sorority orgy at UC Berkeley...all the chicks here are ugly. Except 8 or 9...and there are 15000 women here. <<difference between 18 years and 50 years>>: you are obviously not really male if you don't know the difference between 18 and 50. Now I know why Merlin is persuing Ms. Sefton. Thank you for clearing it up for me.

Lain: Please come onto ICQ when you see this.

Pistoff: Whoa and I thought I had a lot of anger built up.

Firestorm: <<But it's a b!@#$ to upgrade! You have to rip apart the whole thing just to change a PCI card!>>: God I love having a mac...just pull open the side door and WALLAH!

Doug: <<Enjoying your quotes>>: Glad someone is. Togo's is like Subway, only good. I agree with you on qualified sex-fic authors. They were some of my inspiration for the sex scenes in my fic.

Yankee Doodle Floppy Disk
- Lt. Commander Block, Hot Shots!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, March 9, 2001 03:58:19 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-80.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

**ONE BIT OF RP COMING UP**

The screen comes on, displaying the crowded airport of Istanbul, just re-opened after a recent terrorist attack. Gubio and Erin stand near a departure gate, waiting for their flight to be called. Erin's family, Terrell, and Queen Noor are nearby. "Where's your stepson?" Mary is asking Noor. "Isn't he supposed to be flying back to Jordan with you?" "Don't tell us," Gubio grins. "You're not Noor. She's already on the plane." "Certainly not," the Dowager Queen grimaces. "Abdullah may love disguises, but he wouldn't stoop that low." She checks her watch. "Actually he was going to sneak onto the plane in disguise, but he wouldn't tell me as what." "Hmm," Mary frowns. "Well, alright. Good thing we already told him goodbye." "And now I must say goodbye to you as well," Noor sighs as the last call to board for Amman is made. "I enjoyed seeing all of you. You did very well in your first self-appointed mission, Erin." "Thank you," Erin smiles back at her. "Thanks also for coming and helping us, and bringing the Knights. We needed them." Noor nods. "If you ever need us again, don't hesitate to ask. We'll need some time to recuperate, cure the wounded, bury the dead, train new recruits, but soon we'll be ready. Look us up if you're ever in Jordan." "Will do," Gubio says. "Thank you very much." He shakes hands with Noor, who gives him and Erin both another proud smile before turning towards the gate and walking through, stopping only to give a farewell wave to everyone before the door slides shut. "I have to be going too," Terrell sighs. "I have a new job to start in the Underground City." "You'll take good care of Lloky for us?" Erin asks him. "She did help us a lot, even if she did cause part of your city to be destroyed." "And she rebuilt it, or so Vincent tells me," Terrell replies with a frown. "There may still be some anger against her, though. We'll do our best to help her recuperate, and be on our guard. As soon as she's fine, we'll release her to fly back to her friends in the United States." "Sounds like a plan," Gubio nods. "We'll tell her father, Bardic, where she is." "Thank you," Terrell replies. "Your friend Amad will be fine too," he adds to Bessus. "He was hit pretty badly by the metal dragon's final explosion, but our healers should be able to revive him." "I hope you are right," Erin's friend grimaces. "Until the Colonel wakes up again, if he ever does, I've been recalled to lead his Israeli Special Forces Regiment." He sighs. "What?" Erin frowns. "Aren't you happy?" Bessus shakes his head, looking away from her and petting his Airedale, Samson. "No," he replies. "And yes. I�am not sure." "Don't worry, I'm sure you'll do fine in your friend's job," Gubio tells him, then sighs as the flight to America is called. "And Erin and I now have to go back and do the job waiting for us." "Good luck to you," Terrell tells them. "Thank you again for helping my people." He passes Erin a small vial. "Extra desert night, just in case." Then he solemnly bows and withdraws, heading for the nearest terminal exit. "He didn't say goodbye," Gubio observes. "His people never do," Erin answers, then looks toward her family. "Unfortunately, we must say it now." "Only for a while, daughter," Fasil replies. "You will come back soon." "Of course we will," Gubio says as Erin smiles. "We enjoyed our time here, I enjoyed meeting all of you." He smiles and exchanges handshakes with Fasil, Hassan, and Bessus, then embraces Mary. "Can't we go back to America with you?" Patty asks Erin as her sister starts exchanging hugs of her own with the family. "I've never been there!" "You'll get to go someday," Erin assures her. "Aye, she's right," Mary says. "But for now you must stay here, you still have school tomorrow." Patty sighs, but nods. "See you online," Erin whispers to her, making her smile briefly. The last call for the flight comes over the airport PA as the sisters hug. "That's your flight," Mary tells Gubio and Erin. "Good luck and Godspeed." She glances at Gubio. "You will invite us to the wedding, right?" "Of course," Gubio grins. "We may be flying to Las Vegas, but it's not to get married." There is an exchange of laughter, and then Gubio and Erin embrace the family again, before waving goodbye and walking onto the plane. Mist hisses something from the confines of her kitty carrier as Gubio bears it along. "Yeah, I hope they're fine too," he says. "It has been a while since we saw everyone." "I'm sure they're fine," Erin says, sending one last wave to her family over her shoulder and accepting Fasil's blown kiss. "I'm more worried about Abdullah." "He'll be fine," Gubio shrugs. "His plane hasn't even taken off yet." "It hasn't?" Erin frowns, glancing out the window and seeing that it is indeed so. She looks back at Gubio and they exchange confused expressions. Meanwhile, in the cockpit of the flight to Jordan, the co-pilot is also looking confused as he waits for his pilot to start their takeoff procedure. "Note to self," the pilot mumbles with a heavy Jordan accent. "Always prepare fully for your disguises before adopting them!" Then he sighs and begs leave to go to the restroom, confusing the co-pilot even more as the screen goes blank.

**END FIRST PART OF RP**

<grins> Well, here I am, posting. I hope that means the new guy showed up at work tonight like he was supposed to. He didn't show up for his interview yesterday. And yes, he still got a chance at doing the job even though- that's how desperate our company is right now. We got rid of the last lazy jerk, but to replace him�this new guy had better work out. Not much other news to report from the life front, I've had to work the last two nights and thus pretty much missed out on a lot of events that could have happened by day. I'm doing alright though, so's Kit. :) Last night I talked with Abel about my feeling that the job is not working out for me and how I want to leave it soon and get a better more lucrative job elsewhere. He reacted predictably to this, said as long as I give him some notice before quitting once I find my new job all will be okay. I'll start looking for a new job next week, it will probably be with another security company that can afford to pay its officers a higher salary while giving them better schedules. One must exist in Austin, I am sure. <grin> Hopefully I'll meet as good people in it as I have in the company I'm still with- that they are friends of mine I've never doubted despite all that's gone on. :) Speaking of which, another crazy thing happened at work recently- that woman whose car got hit by the north store's forklift can't get them to pay for the damage, so now she's looking to make _me_ do it. I had nothing to do with the accident that caused that damage, she is nuts! <shakes head> Boy, have I learned my lesson from screwing up in that situation. Abel told her I quit, so she may not be able to find me- small favor. :) I hope she doesn't find me just the same. <sighs> I'll be working days again tomorrow, hopefully. :) I send thanks to all for the happy birthday wishes, the belated ones especially. Better late than never. :) Let's get on with replies now.

Kathy: Wow, can the Gathering get any more cool guests? <grins> Like Kit said, we really regret not being able to attend this year. Maybe we'll send a little support just the same, thanks for the link. I also would like to say I'm glad so many people important to the show that was and is Gargoyles are attending the convention, it should make it a very memorable event for all who do attend- y'all better tell us about it in enough detail to make us able to feel like we were there too. :)

DPH: <it wasn't a co-worker> Rats, I was confused. :( Well, you still have my condolences. I hope that the majority of people above you are able to see your value to the company, bad back or not. Congrats on your first paycheck, hope you spend it well.

Warpmind: <grins> Four months. Right. Thanks for the reminder. That should just be enough time to make things ready for your arrival in Austin. :) Glad to hear you're not putting all your eggs in one basket, that's never a good idea. :) I hope your posting frequency will go back up soon, BTW. It's good to know you're enjoying IM, but we miss you in here. :)

Winterwolf: Congrats on the home access. <ticklish> You're not the only one here who's like that, you know. <growls at Kit to back off from tickling him> Thanks for the happy birthday and the encouragement on the job and the house. Don't worry about the latter, we got the wire problem fixed. :) The building inspector will probably find a lot of other problems when we get him out there Monday after next, but hopefully not too many. Our electricity and water lines are complete now, they just have to install the meters and we can turn on the utilities. :) Still can't say when we're moving in, but the time when it will be necessary (the end of our apartment lease) gets closer every day. <playing in an arcade alone for hours> I used to do that a lot during my first two years of high school. Living in a foreign country can be much fun if they have cool games. <grins>

Lain: Ah, good to see the Anonymous trouble resolved so positively. I hope you and your old roommate can be the great friends you once were again now. Glad to hear Valentine and Lynati will be visiting you soon too. All this ought to make you less depressed. :) Condolences on things going on the rocks with your dad again, though, I wish you both luck in getting them patched up again soon. I once had similar problems with my mother, but we've managed to resolve things. I'm confident you and your dad can too- let us know if we can help.

Anonymous: I apologize for getting slightly mad at you earlier, I hope you will understand why I did. Thanks from me too for making Lain feel good, judging from her posts she needs to experience that feeling more often than anyone else I have ever met in my entire time on this Earth so far. <grins> I congratulate you both on the wonderful friendship you share, and I hope it lasts a lifetime.

Tattoos: I agree that they can be cool and fun, but I don't think I'd ever want one myself. Too scared of the pain. :)

Lady Corax: You rule too, never forget it. :) Congrats on making a full recovery from what happened, I hope the bad guy hasn't done the same yet. <grin>

Gside: Ah yes, guilt. <chuckles> Guilt has many uses! :) But Kit and I are very sorry for the one we put it to last week. Hope we never feel the need to do so again.

Imzadi: <Let's start a huge flame war about Macs and PCs!> No, let's not do that, thank you. :) Enjoying your quotes.

Christine: Hope you will send Godiva next time, I definitely wouldn't mind meeting her. :) Maybe she can be at my bachelor party. <grins> Glad to hear things are going so well with the books. I enjoyed Avalon Mists once again, the cartoons especially. May Michael Heitz never run out of talent and ideas. Nor may the excellent artists you featured. :)

Idon'tknowtheanswerism: I too think I like this philosophy. Just as long as nobody forces me to subscribe to finalanswerism� <laughs>

**BEGIN SPOILERS**
Panic is meaningful and wonderfully well-acted and well-written, go see it. It's another Oscar contender that should have been, IMO. Not for Best Picture, but Best Actor (William H. Macy) & Best Screenplay definitely. Like Girl Interrupted and Shawshank Redemption, it was a movie that allowed me to sort out my feelings while watching it, and come to something of an epiphany about life. Always a plus. :) Kit and I got some good flirting lines out of it too ("I see her and I don't feel dead anymore." :). The Mexican is also a pretty good film, it has a nice script with plot holes existent but not troublesome, great use of symbols and flashbacks, and a real nice flow of action. Pitt and Roberts act well too, but they unfortunately don't have much chemistry. The movie's script avoids that for the most part though. <shrugs> Go see it if you want to smile and laugh, as well as smile at a deep involved story and feel tense at times.

I pretty much agree with SJ about Lone Gunmen, though I did find myself enjoying parts of the first episode. Mostly with Frohike and Eva and Byars and his father. Langly was too dumb to be enjoyable, and outside their mentioned relationships the other two Gunmen didn't really click. Nor did the script, really- it was a mite too predictable. On whether or not the spin-off should have been made I won't pass judgement, I want to see more episodes first, but for now I hate to say I'm of the opinion that X-Files is Chris Carter's only real gem. The other shows he's made have had the potential, but so far none have lived up to it (Harsh Realm did come close IMO, but then Fox axed it so we'll never know for sure). At least Simpsons was pretty funny this week, as were Futu-rama and King of the Hill (Kit and I don't watch Malcolm). I agree with Kit about Albuquerque, though- what is so scary about that place? <shrugs> I went to the museum there a lot as a kid, and the airport, both were interesting places. The rest of the city looked nice too. Maybe Groening was just trying to be funny and not comment on the way things really are, that must be it. <grin> Looking forward to next week's Simpsons, maybe we'll get some insight into BtVS's Anya from it ("Maggie's not afraid of bunnies!" "Oh, she will be!" :). Enjoyed the new X-Men Evolution episode too, it had good character development, antagonists, and conflict, as well as a nice well-written script. They should have put more buildup episodes before it though, so we could have seen the teams of good and bad guys conflicting more- it would have made this week's episode a bit more meaningful. The writers are still IMO trying to do too much too fast.

TGS also suffered from lack of buildup somewhat this week, IMO. The buildup was good for the Council itself, but I would have liked to see all the new characters when the clan met them instead of just having them all sprung on us like this now. <shrugs> It might have done better for Gargs continuity too. As the ep was, though, things worked out pretty good. The characters were all established well, and their interaction and dialogue had some decent writing in it. Especially liked the Lex and Kirstie subplot keeping things lighthearted during the stiff Council speeches (though I hope things won't go sour between them- the potential exists, and I also personally don't think they should get too involved, Lex has a mate out there but Kirstie should not be it I think), and Kylie passionately arguing for her own clan's side. The Chinese clan was nicely portrayed as per their background, I agree with Ed that Mei Hsing was very entertaining as a leader like Goliath but with a different opinion about the way things should be for gargs. I hope the Chinese aren't all stoic and formal though- diversity is a good thing, you know. :) The Persian clan intrigues me- Tamora seems like the classic scheming Middle Eastern female villain (cool to have a gargoyle one of those), and Darius needs more development but has potential to be interesting trouble as well, especially with the vicious gargoyle beast he's got in that crate (it has to be a gargoyle beast, I can't think of what else it could be). I would like to know more about their clan and its history- Iran has always been a part of the world that's intrigued me, especially with the Islamic Revolution and its aftermath I've heard about going on there during my lifetime. Whether or not Khomeini likes gargs I'm curious to know. :) The Antarctic clan has potential to be interesting characters, but so far I'm not too fond of them- they seem just the cliched na�ve young leader and comic relief backwards person- more development is needed. Good illustration of Aurora though, and of Lex and the Chinese clan members, I like the use of colors and lines. Icarus makes an intriguing new character (I hope for a pic of him too next week), though his relationship with Delilah needs more development (if only to explain the somewhat out-of-character way she's acting around him, I too am confused by her claiming to be Second and the way she just explained it off). Liked her impulsiveness, but we should have gotten more development beforehand to show us the trait. Very good use of Vinnie, Hudson, and Xanatos in the episode- they all got nice character bits. Overall, the story was good, but I still agree with Ed it's happening too soon. But like him, I can see how events have progressed to this point too. <shrugs> I just hope the writers will continue to remember things can not keep proceeding so quickly and remain realistic- they seem to be doing that with the ep so far in the highlighting of the clans' cultural and situational differences but whether that will continue I can't say till I see future episodes. <shrugs> I too did not like the flatness and lack of development on Goliath, his character needs to be made interesting again somehow, hope that gets done soon. For now, I will say that we have a good story in place and probably a great one if Demona's surprise appearance and the Persian and Chinese Clans are used to their full potential as antagonists. Looking very forward to Part 2 next week.

Happiest Place on Earth was made a little more enjoyable thanks to its own artwork. :) Good tension in the Goliath pic, and the Taro one captured him well. Still wish the writing was better though. :(
**END SPOILERS**

And now� <grabs DC and force-feeds him a live hand grenade> That's for somehow making my computer unable to load this week's CR for about five chaotic minutes. :(

Daniel Johnson: <grins> Cute dog. He kinda looks like one of the dogs our neighbor Mr. Aguilar has in Dale. (He has three of them, all quite nice). Thanks for posting the pics. I hope you can enjoy that nor'easter, it sounds like something I'd like to see, but through a window in a well-heated room.

Beth H: Condolences on not getting the babysitting job. <shrugs> You might have hated it anyway though, so it's good you avoided that. Good luck getting a job at Togo's if that's what you want. (What kind of place is Togo's btw? I've never heard of it.) Good luck with the big school projects and such too. Oh, and please don't be ashamed of your liking for hentai. There's no perversion or shame in enjoying romantic love, especially the sex part of it. Ah yes, sex is cool. <looks wistful and starts humming a George Michael song, but quickly recovers> Just as long as you have a mature attitude about it, which you do. :) I too hope that you find the right person to love someday, and I also hope you will introduce him to us. <grin> Congrats on getting your fanfic up on the web, I hope to have time to read it soon.

Imzadi: The double standard you mentioned irritates me too. :( Hopefully we'll get rid of it someday. Many aspects of sex and porn are awful and perverted (rape, incest, bestiality, molestation, harassment, bdsm, I don't need to continue), but there is no shame in liking the decent wonderful aspects as I think Kit, Beth H., and I do. On porn itself, well, I pretty much agree with SJ on its place in the world, but I don't really care about the artistic value issue (I read for enjoyment and emotional experience, not for art) and I believe sex scenes can be well-written and are enjoyable bits of writing when so. Christine, Madame Destine, and Ken Follett are among the people able to do good ones. Not going to say more on this issue for fear of breaking the rules, I don't want to upset Kaioto or anyone else.

Emmabu: I would be interested in those homeowner horror stories, hope you can post them soon. Good luck with the schoolwork and server-moving, hope you get some time to enjoy your Spring Break while having to deal with them. I'd like to see your work in Avalon Mists too, hope it gets in next time.

Stephen: Congrats on the story getting accepted, the interesting weekend, and the set job schedule. Hope my next job has one of the latter. The one I had now did at first, then did again for a short while, but in between things keep getting screwed up. :( For the RP thing, take Kit's advice, or bring in your characters any time you like. They're yours after all, not ours. No one is fully in charge of the RP- I come close, but I am not in charge! :) Thanks for the Happy Birthday and prayers.

Lain: Intriguing fic scene. I too hope to someday see the full story- do you need a place to post it? I could track down a few sites I know. You're right about kids needing to be raised to understand violence, anger, and such, I wish more of the kids in this world would be taught those things. <sighs> Parental fear unfortunately gets in the way though. :( As for not being taught those things making kids think it's okay to do them, well, I see your point but I can't say I agree with it. I was never really made to understand such things myself by my parents in the way you describe and say should be done, and I turned out okay. Like Pistoff said, the kids who didn't had to have had something wrong with them more than what lack of understanding about life's basic issues would explain. :( Apology accepted on your negative attitude, though I'd like to add that I hope you will continue ranting now and then if you feel it necessary. Venting does prevent explosions. Just be careful not to get too angry at others and spark flame wars, and you should be fine. :)

Cherry Blossom: Welcome back, and congrats on the high ACT score. Wish I had done that good. :)

Pistoff: Maybe Patrick and Kathy just think the name Madame Destine sounds cool, thus they use it. <shrugs> I don't really care about their reasons, though- I'm not passing judgement on two great writers just because of a pen name they choose to use for certain stories they're writing. It doesn't mean they're ashamed of their work- Samuel Clemens never put his real name on his writings and that he was proud of them there can be no doubt. <shrugs> I don't think you should pass judgement on Patrick and Kathy as people just because you find their writing distasteful- your view is understandable and you have a right to it, but it's not good to make people angry at you by putting them down like that just because you don't like some of their own opinions and views. Yeah, you have the right, but that doesn't mean you should use it. I agree with Daniel- there are far better ways to get your point across. Yeah, people attacked you, but there were some of us who spoke out against it- remember? Kit and I were among them, I think. We definitely didn't regard it as acceptable. Yeah, some people did, but not everyone in here. I personally don't find acceptable personal attacks of any kind, towards anyone, from you or anyone else. :( I can understand your feelings on the matter, but I still have to say I don't like the way you're expressing yourself and wish you'd quit it, if not apologize. I also must say that I don't think Patrick, Kathy, or Christine are trying to pass themselves off as "literary giants," they're just regarded as such by many of their fans and are taking pride in it. Can't you understand that? <sighs>
I too enjoyed reading Under the Hammer, for its character development and cool revelation to the mystery surrounding the villain trying to take control of Jack. I hope we'll get more development of him and his memories in episodes ahead. Good comedy also with Boiler and Sledge. On your financial troubles, I too will be keeping you in my prayers. I can better see why you're so angry a lot of the time now that you've described your circumstances. <sigh> I wish you the best of luck in getting out of them and finding a better life, or at least a more stable home, someday. On rich people, I agree. They need to stop putting the poor down and start helping them more. Like it or not, we're all in this world together. <guy who impersonated Tiger Woods> I think his punishment is appropriate. If somebody stole my identity, I'd want the same thing to happen to them. I didn't like the OJ verdict either though. :( Good points about mean kids and that anyone who can survive time spent with them without killing anyone (or worse IMO, joining the mean kids) deserves praise. I definitely feel proud to know all the people I do who have managed that. :)

Calliope: Bets of luck with the tests. Condolences on the bad week and the break-in, I remember feeling just the way you must when that latter event happened to me. I got over it eventually, though, hopefully you will also. Best of luck, I hope you can get at least some of your stuff back. <prayers> Congrats on not losing the green suitcase, I'm glad you still have that. The burglars who hit me did something similar with my CDs.

Jannie: I don't know what advice I can give on the LARP issue with Anna, I've been involved in RP but never that kind. Being firm but fair and constantly reminding her of your worries and the dangers will probably do some good, just be sure to never get in a real bad mood about it. Definitely don't threaten to burn her game books and such if she doesn't stop like my mom did when she first found out I was playing AD&D. But I know you're not that crazy. :) I think how you're being now is probably good, reasonable but not strict. Hopefully Anna will see the structure is good for her and be able to make constructive use of her time outside the game (such games are never good if they dominate your life, I'm sure you agree), and thus this time know when it's time to get out and be able to see reality and the game separate better. I wish you both the best of luck handling things, hope the serial killer Kit told me you were worried about is caught soon too. Congrats on finding the dream house in Missouri, I hope you can buy it. Kit and I will be adding a deck to the back of our house before moving in too.

GXB: Good luck with the blizzard, enjoy the extra sleep time. I too subscribe to Greg Weisman's view about genres- none is all good or all bad. Certain subgenres, though�:P

School Shooting: I'm personally paying no attention to the coverage of this event in the media, beyond the fact that it happened. Yeah, it's a terrible tragedy, yada yada yada, I mourn the victims, but there are many more interesting and important things to talk and worry about. It could have been averted, I agree, but now that it's happened, the past is past. <sighs> I just hope that in the future more children can find more friends and constructive relationships than the perpetrator of this crime apparently did. Safer more effective ways to bleed off stress too. I suffered from kids being mean and awful to me, bigtime, and yet I've managed to grow past it, mature, and so on without killing or hurting anyone, innocent or guilty. That this kid and so many others have not pains me, I wish there was some clear universal way to get them to stop popping up and doing such awful things as they have. <sighs loudly> They need to be smarter than that. :( Oh well, the only thing we can really do in the situation now is mourn the victims, pity the guilty, and move on. That's what I'm doing. <sigh>

The Blame Game: I agree there's nothing constructive or worth it in this whatsoever. I wish it would stop being a practice of the societies and parents of the world. That's all that really needs to be said. <hums Blame Canada and moves on>

That ends Part 1.
Doug - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 03:27:37 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.51.dlls.grid.net

And now Part 2 of my comments!! :)

Trenchcoats: Put me down as another person who likes wearing them, bad history or not. I personally don't own one though, just a hunting jacket, security jacket, and rain poncho, all which I like just as much. <grins>

Violence: I myself am not a pacifist, I believe violence has its place in the world and sometimes is necessary and good. But I also believe those times are few and far between, and it's always better to talk out a bad situation if you can. I also must note that I share Pistoff's frustration with not being able to hit people who provoke you without being unfairly judged afterwards. But I've also found that ignoring them and thus getting them to instigate things just for your attention can easily nip that problem in the bud. :)

Katara: Glad your son's okay after what happened at his school, glad it wasn't too big either. Hope the perp is made to learn that such pranks are NEVER fun or a good idea.

Stefa, Jain Farstrider: Welcome to the CR!

Gside: I beg to differ on drunk people, maybe just cause I've lived through many bad experiences of dealing with their vomit, their poor judgement, their lack of driving skills, etc. firsthand. Personally I think people who like having fun with them in any way need professional help. It's not ever really good to take advantage of people. But you're entitled to your opinion too. Good luck on the exam, I hope you won't actually be cheating during it like you implied. Never good to tempt fate (unless of course it's the only way you can succeed and get better than a C-, like with me and foreign languages).

Juliaexia: I too hope you are doing better, I'm worried about you. I'm not going to say anything about what talking about your bad situation did to this room except I really didn't like it, but I will say to you that you still have my condolences and prayers. Hope you're breaking up with the jerk, finding some way to move on and learn from the bad experience (as should be done with all bad experiences, especially the worst ones like this), and that you have RL friends around you (or a counselor, I agree with Oracle that you should see one of those; I agree with him about your mother too, definitely don't talk to her about this. :( ) to talk things out with and some way to bleed off your stress. I hope someday you can get past this and be stronger than you were before, what doesn't kill you should make you stronger. <sigh> Hope to soon just know how things are going most of all. <grimaces and sighs heavily as he reflects on how and why such things like this can happen in the world>

<Men are jerk bastards!!!> Not all men, some of us are okay. Oh right, I'm a man, I'm biased, no one is really going to care that I'm saying this. :P Never mind�

DPH: Congrats on getting respect at work too. That's very important. Good luck with the confusion. On people lacking the ability to plan ahead, yeah, I can agree that we're losing that ability. But I don't think 24-hour businesses are the only reason for it. Nor is it the only thing screwing up society. There's also the tendency a lot of people have to panic when certain bad events happen and obsess over them, and to want their life to stay the same no matter what and go nuts when it doesn't. That latter tendency has caused the most trouble in my life, though I don't have it myself.

Lady Corax: I agree with you about men, there are nice ones. We just have to be found, and respected. :) Glad there are some women in the world who can do these things, and that I have many for friends. Thanks for your prayers.

Spike: Alright! Congrats on Despair & Deliverance going well. I will definitely be ordering a copy soon as my next paycheck comes in. ;)

Cat: Thanks for being our contact with Mecord and giving us the news on him. I hope to see him next week. Can you please do me a favor and ask him to do an RP resolving his capture by Thailog and Lithanne killing him? (see last week's CR) I was gonna handle it myself, but then when I heard he might be coming back�I'm sure he can handle things much better than I can since he knows some of the characters better and all. He knows better what he wants done with them too. Thanks in advance, good luck to you both with the schoolwork. And big congrats on the engagement, I'm happy for your happiness. :)

Madoc & Maeve: In my ficverse, they were together for a brief time, but he was really just using her for you-know-what and eventually dumped her in another dimension when he got tired of her and Mackovic manipulated him into thinking she was causing problems for their world takeover plans. As for the way things were in TGS, hasn't that been stated already? Personally, I have no opinion on how things should be portrayed for them, I will simply read the story, hopefully enjoy it, and no more. :)

Kaioto: Hope your bathroom pipes don't explode. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you. Make sure you choose the right plumber if that's necessary.

Gleeb/Triglycerine: I'd welcome you to the CR but I'm not sure I like a lot of what you've been saying in your posts. Or at least I didn't at first. You seemed to be getting more constructive and understanding of others' viewpoints as time went on, though, and that's good. Hope you'll keep up the trend. Maybe now I can say welcome. Welcome. :)

Antarctic Clan: I think they're a pretty good idea myself, Antarctica is largely unexplored and would be a interesting place to have gargs living in. I was planning to include some in my fanfics, a clan that in the past helped Roald Amudsen get to the South Pole first with directions (and didn't help Robert Scott because his team didn't aid a wounded member of their clan they encountered, considering winning the race to the Pole more important) and in the present day are supported by Jason Adams and used to crew and guard the top-secret facility under his company's Antarctic research station. TGS can do much with an Antarctic clan of their own, I am sure, more development on them is the only thing needed currently. Some on the other clans would be nice too. I wonder where the twelfth clan is going to be from (in my ficverse it'd be Russia and Eastern Europe, in TGS we shall see).

GXB, Robby: Looking forward to reading the stories behind each clan and the development with them you say is coming, I hope to see it soon. <most of it won't be till Season 4> I suppose I could wait that long. If it's worth it. <grin>

SJ: I agree with you- Get Over It and Josie and The Pussycats don't really look that good. Unless it's true that Kirsten Dunst plays twin sisters in the former, that could be interesting (I've seen conflicting previews though). And Josie may have some humor in the vein of Night at the Roxbury, which is one of Kit's and mine all time favorite comedies dumb or not. They'll probably both be bad, but we're still gonna see them. And I for one happen to enjoy watching hot young girls who also happen to be good actresses plying their craft in any movie, decent or not. :) <RP> I think you could RP right now if you really wanted to, but I do recognize and understand your wanting to wait for Robby. Just hope you don't have to wait too much longer. And not just cause it's so boring for me and Kit to be doing it all by ourselves. <sighs, then kills DC over Robby's continuing posting problems> Looking forward to whatever you have planned for your characters, whenever you can get around to revealing it and all. :) Robby did describe some plans he has to me in IM that might give you hope of being able to do it soon, but I'm not gonna spoil the surprise he wants to make with them. I too miss Wilek a lot, hope he'll come back in soon and RP. Guess Kit and I will have to keep doing it for everyone for now.

SOROW: This room is supposed to make people feel good about themselves and each other, more people just need to remember that. :P Condolences on all the awful things happening in your life right now, with Joe and the job especially. I wish you good luck in keeping the latter (hopefully your boss is on your side and understanding despite their failings, like mine) and am glad you're moving on from the former, that's probably the best thing to do considering all that's going on. <sigh> Interesting story about the cat, it's funny how God gives us such metaphors on our own lives sometimes. I think you need to not obsess so much over this one- learn from it and move on. What's the lesson, you ask? I think it's that you need to stop being like that cat. You need to find some people who are reaching out to you and want to help you and stop being afraid of them, decide you're going to trust them and hope for the best, make the decision that despite the bad things in your life you will get over the bad events and be happy again. Kit and I want to be among the people who help you, I hope we're not the only volunteers. <hugs>

Finally done! <grin> I must go to sleep now, I have to get my body back on its regular schedule. See you all again very soon, hopefully our lives will have shaped up by then if they've been going badly and the good lives will stay good. Hope to see the room with more friendliness and less anger in it too, we're very close to that now. :) Later!

**RESUME RP, IN MINNEAPOLIS**

In the Mall of America's parking lot, snow is still falling heavily, obscuring all things for the moment. Then it starts to let up, and the Onslaught stands revealed like a victorious knight, poised with ready sword over the frozen and shattered remains of the Goroistro demon. "We got it!" Jammer grins, whooping loudly. "Yeah!" Lathrop nods and smiles in agreement. "Are you alright?" Orion is asking Tanith beside them as she shakes herself out of her trance and nods. "I am fine now." Smiling, she sweeps the cleric up in a hug. On the ground, Shap, Shauna, Doug, Kit, Boris, and Elena are also cheering and hugging one another, Tricia standing near them and grimacing, as her designated hug partner is inside the giant robot. "Good work, Jammer," Kit yells up at the Onslaught. "Everyone! We've finally won this battle." "Or at least we hope we have," Doug grimaces beside her, looking at Shap. "Still sensing evil nearby?" "Yeah," the paladin nods, looking towards the Mall. "In there. Could be just Stephanie, though." "I guess getting her back on our side is gonna be our next big problem, huh?" Shauna comments. "Probably," Kit sighs, looking towards the large group of heavily wounded soldiers picking themselves up on the other side of the parking lot and casting relieved grins towards the Ravens, then gasping with loss as they see the numbers of their dead. "Let's go help them first." "Agreed," Boris nods. "They fought with us in this battle." "Full access to our healing stashes for them," Doug says. "We gotta show our thanks." The other Ravens nod in agreement and then start walking over towards the soldiers, all shivering thanks to the cold in the air. "Hope we have enough to help them," Shap remarks. "Damn, that was a big demon." "Not that tough, though," Elena says, "since we knew its weakness." "Wish that could happen every time," Shauna sighs, looking at Anthony. "What's the matter?" "Yeah, what is it?" Kit agrees, looking at the stranger and noting his expression. "Just a bad feeling," Anthony shrugs. "I've had a lot of those today." "You're worried about that diseased gargoyle you said was coming, aren't you?" Doug asks him. "It never did show up." Anthony grimaces, then turns back toward the Mall. "I'll join you guys in a minute, I want to check on the others." "Okay," Kit waves him on, then shrugs. "I wish he'd tell us what's bugging him." "What's bugging me right now is those wounded soldiers," Doug says. "Let's help them, then worry about Anthony." "Right," Kit nods, and they keep walking on. Above them, Jammer is yelling over the radio, "Hey Tricia! Look, I won!! Hey Tricia!!!" He grins, using the controls before him to get the Onslaught into a dramatic pose beside the Goroistro's corpse. Tricia grimaces, then turns and snaps a picture with her camera before resuming her walk towards the soldiers. "Take another one!" Jammer yells at her. "This pose!" He fiddles with the controls some more. "Can you put us on the ground before you do that, please?" Lathrop asks him. "In a minute, in a minute," Jammer mumbles back, yelling at Tricia again. "Is he always like this?" Tanith asks Orion, who rolls his eyes and nods.

Meanwhile, inside the Mall, Keith, Tom, Leah, and Governor Jesse Ventura have stopped, frowning at the lack of bellows in the air. "I hope this silence means they beat that giant demon," Ventura remarks. "There's a giant demon outside?" Tom's mouth falls open. "Yeah," Keith replies. "We ducked back in here to escape it. I hope it's dead now too." "Yeah," Ventura agrees. "It'd be really bad to have that thing rampaging all over my state. As if the winter storms and the Vikings not getting in the Super Bowl weren't bad enough�" He shakes his head. Keith and Tom are about to comment when Leah shouts "Guys!" and points up the hallway to where a corpse lies on the ground. "Oh no," Keith gasps, catching sight of it and breaking into a run. "Kenny!" he screams, shaking the lawyer awake. "What happened? Where's Stephanie?" "I don't know," Kenny moans. "Someone shot me and then�" "I'm right here, Keith!" a cold voice declares. "Thought you could chain me up, huh?" Keith looks up and growls, seeing Stephanie standing in the center of a nearby hall with sword ready in hand, a wide grin on her face. Kharsus and Claudia flank her on one side, the former already weaving a spell and the latter with fangs bared and eyes gleaming. On her other side, Ty-Ubemngoe is grimacing and holding Bobby Mansfield in his powerful arms, the commando grimacing as Paul du Gaul holds a gun to his head and laughs. "Bobby!" Leah shouts. "You let him go!" "With pleasure, cherie," du Gaul laughs. "Ty!" The diseased gargoyle laughs and throws Mansfield into a wall. He screams in protest before hitting it hard and sliding to the floor unconscious. "Come on and fight us, Ravens," Kharsus says to Tom, Keith, Leah, Ventura, and Kenny. "We've been sent to finish you." "I hunger for your blood," Claudia hisses in agreement. "As do I," Stephanie chuckles, waving at Keith in a come-hither gesture. "Think you can kill me again?" "Stephanie, this isn't you!" Keith shouts back. "Drop the sword!" "I don't think that's gonna work, boy," Ventura sighs. du Gaul and Ty-Ubemngoe chuckle as Keith looks at Stephanie pleadingly, then sighs and draws his nunchuks before advancing towards her. "So be it." "Indeed," Stephanie nods, waving her blade in readiness. "He's mine. You guys can take the others." Keith nods in agreement, gesturing at his friends to let him handle Stephanie. Tom sighs, but nods, motioning at Ventura and Kenny as the damned souls flank out. "Bobby�" Leah whispers to Tom. "I'll cover you," he tells her. "You run to him." She nods as he brings up his grenade launcher. Watching them, du Gaul chuckles as he takes aim with his assault rifle. Ventura grimaces and reaches for his radio to call for help, but is tackled by a hissing Claudia before he can say a word into it. Kenny is meanwhile screaming as the laughing Kharsus engulfs him in a fireball. Tom and Leah are not able to go to his aid, one committed to covering the other as she runs toward the fallen Mansfield. Keith and Stephanie are already engulfed in their own battle, weapons clanging against one another. Just coming inside a Mall entrance close by, Anthony hears the noise and grimaces, reaching for his own radio just as a hand falls on his shoulder and a mocking voice declares, "Not so fast." Anthony turns around and growls an oath as the screen goes blank.

**SCENE AND CONFRONTATION TO BE CONTINUED NEXT TIME- END RP**
Doug
Friday, March 9, 2001 03:27:32 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.51.dlls.grid.net

BACK!!! I take it all BACK!!!!!!!!!

Warps>> my complete, total and most ABJECT apologies, for I have learned that it was the INFAMOUS GUNJACK VALENTINE who told Reflections about turkey basters and jam...

HE MUST PAAAAYYY!!!!!!!!!
... first... I'll take all of his guns and sit on them... then.. I'll make him stare at the comment room till he makes all those replies he has to make.. then.. I'll get off the guns and sit on him and SCHNORF him without mercy for at least three concecutive days.. and then...
...well I don't know what after that but I'LL THINK OF SOMETHING!!!!!!!!
lain
Friday, March 9, 2001 02:35:20 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Gunjack>> Sorry Val my dear... I didn't mean to abandon you there on IM.. : ( My Don was at the door kinda sniffly and hyperventelating with my fishy and I had to go talk to her and calm her down (cos of course she's the residence Don and she comes to me... not the other way around... (???))
I hope your stomach is feeling better and stuff and.. hey... isn't it only 1:30 there??? what are you doing going to BED for goodness sake??????????
BTW.. this is an note for anyone who talks to me on IM or ICQ or any of that.. just to clear it up..
if I ever suddenly stop messaging people back for no apparent reason, it's because I am suddenly not at the computer for some non-apparent reason. Even if we are talking about something one of us gets upset.. I will say something like "can we talk about something else for a bit?" or "scuse me I need to go for a walk to clear my head" not just ignore you, okay?? cos that would just be silly and pointless and.. as a certain friend so recently reminded me.. rather dramatic and just...:P:P:P.. yeah.. so... none of that ;)

so no, Val... I don't hate you or anything daft like that. I hope you don't get all "oh I can't sleep cos Im worried" or anything.. :( *sends huggle vibes to Texas*

Lynati>> sorry if I was upset but.. my friend "reflections" happens to be a very close friend and one of the very few I can trust.. I.. when you were talking to him, I didn't understand your reaction and it isn't like the poor guy was trying to insult you.. he was just trying to have a bit of a joke cos.. that's what he does and that's what eh saw YOU doing too..
I was hoping you'd get along so that when you met it would be kinda neat but if you don't want to meet him after all.. I guess both he and I will be kinda sad.. : ( but that's okay and you're the guest and stuff..
just think...
9 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D
*sends more hug vibes to Lynati*

Sevarius Jr>> *hugs Sevarius*
you JERK!!!
you are SUCH A GIANT JERK!!!!
JERKFACE!!!!!!!!

;)

*hugs him again, sets a spring loaded hug for Aingeal when she comes back in, waves hello to all the newbies (whom she feels awful for having ignored so far :( ) and flees to the land of sleep*

and one more thing...
Warps>> if you say ANYTHING MORE to Reflections about either turkey basters or jam or intice him in any way to bring either of those objects or substances anywhere near me in that exact combination, EVEN as a joke, I will have to call off that appearence at your bachelor party and instead string you up by the pinkie toes to be used as a pinyata at the fifth birthday party of my firstborn child... are we clear on that point my friend???
;)

love,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 02:18:02 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

-To Sevarius Jr. -
There's going to be a new Star Trek series?! Whoa... what rock have I been living under?

-To SOROW-
I had a very similar thing happen to me last week. I discovered a stray kitten was living under my BBQ. All week it had been pouring rain. The poor thing was scared, wet, and starving. I couldn't reach it while it was under the BBQ(It's one those drop in BBQ's that are bricked in) Finally, I got it to come out with some food. The poor thing literally was skin and bones (I doubt it had eaten in over week.), but surprisingly, not at all feral. Upon closer examination, I found that She had been very recently neutered. I named her Twiggy. No one ever claimed her, so I gave her to one of my mom's coworkers who had been wanting a kitten for a while. Much to my delight, he kept the name Twiggy.

-To Bishansky-
For the most part, I agree with you. I think Una & Leo considered the magic shop as their protectorate. The younger Demona and her clan protected each other. And the older Demona, Thailog, Iago, etc... basically show that although it's in a Gargoyle's instincts to project, they can obviously overcome those instincts, be it out of self preservation/gain, selfishness, or whatever... which is basically what you said. :) (and yes, I think you are reading too much into SJ's comments on Greg. Why don't we all just drop the whole Greg thing okay? :)
About spinoffs: I think Trek should focus more on movies rather than a new series. A new Gargoyles show obviously would rule, but right now I think I mostly want to see a new Trigun series. (BTW, anyone else here into Trigun?)

-To Robby-
Okay... let me see if I got what you're saying straight. Very little fabric/pelts are around... yet they have a change of essentially useless warm weather clothes? Sorry, I still don't buy it. :)

-To Pistoff-
Well I think Greg had a lot more to do with the show than that. He came up with ideas for most of the episodes and had the final say in everything. But like I said earlier, the whole Greg issue should probably be dropped. For reasons that are beyond me, many people here seem to be really sensitive about that topic.

-To Everyone-
Is there a way to use your own image when posting, or do you have to use one of the images provided?

Gleeb
Friday, March 9, 2001 01:03:01 AM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Second period exam tomorrow, I've written up my cheat sheet, then it's spring break. Where I'll probably spend my time sitting around trying to get a job and procrastinating my second language acquisition and principles lab work.

To continue,

Imzadi> <<including the obnoxious person that sits in the front row and is really chummy with the Professor and gets amazing grades>>: I'll have you know that we sleep increadibly regularly in class. I haven't really gotten too chummy with a professor is a while, though.
<>: I always played as supergeek in Goledeye. Always with my hat. I loved the grenade launcher and the caves.
<<How come only women complain about being treated like sex objects, while men all think it would be fun?>>: It's all in the Y.
<<Where do I sign up?>>: Your local porn studio. They always need a new pizza boy to deliver to the sorority orgy.

Doug> <<please excuse Kit's behavior earlier tonigh>>: Why? Drunk people are fun. You can get them to do stupid stuff. But I would eventually like to hear a couple pieces of music performed by a drunk band: March and Procession (from which was stolen the Knight Rider theme) and Russian Sailor's Dance.

Gunjack> <<I'd ask, but I have a guess. And I really don't want to know>>: Porn didn't have much to do with it this time. Although MH did update with a new Street Fighter Doujinshi, but that didn't take up that much time. Mosly it's because I was going though Ranma archives for Mousse Fanfic. Mousse is the man, and more importantly, the engineer.

Ah, I get to skip a whole bunch. I have a half formed opinion, but those never do any good anyway.

Lain> <<MEN ARE JERKBASTARDS>>: Yeah? So?

Fire Storm> <<Maybe the good doctor took time off from converting energy to donuts and then hacked Buck>>: That might make sense. Maybe she also has a wing fetish.
<<Let me guess... panties, bras and girls gym shorts?>>: I don't think there were any gym shorts.
<<The only problem is deciding what goes on a CD>>: Well, seeing how I have lots of continuous streatches of some series, I could just start at the begining. but then there's going to be a whole bunch of empty space. At least Thery're cheap.
<>: They're rather common on the internet. Or are you denied for other reasons?
<< if in the right place, Ranma may become SheMale from SMT>>: Or just about half the characters in various hentai manga/doujinshi.

Wilek> <<How are you gentlemen!>>: Not too bad! I feel we need another flash file to replace the ubiquitous ayb. See: http://user.tninet.se/~prv247p/hatt/hatten.swf

Cat> Congratulations on the engagement.

Kitainia> <>: Can I interest you in the joys of emulation?
<<Apologies about all the guilt trips Doug and I laid, we'll try not to do that again>>: Why? It is a tried and true coersion method wielded with deadly accuracy by many members of families.
<<What's Chingrish?>>: Ze ah socall Chingrish is ze ranguage of many many engineeling and comluta science plofessas. It is arso seen in many of ze socall old movies, rike Charie Chan. If you want to do well in any of ze socall technica disciprines, you must first rean ze Chingrish. If you do not master ze Chingrish, you will not know what ze arfa or ze derta is.

Lain> <<there are two errors>>: Ze two ze's, and zere are no ozer ellas. Sorry, that should be two the's and no other errors.

Winterwolf> <<TGS staff that does their best to continue Greg Weisman�s �Gargoyles� vision>>: Even if it is a slightly outdated version.

Ah. Flamebaiter.

Welcome Gleeb.

Triglycerine> <<the ideas of gargoyles and that is gargoyles are like the defenders and anti-bodies of the Earth>>: But they are also sentient, and sentient beings can go against their nature.

Fire Storm> <<Why does my chest hurt?>>: One of your children got lost. That, or you drank too much milk. Basic, you know.

CtB> <>: Amazing? Sorry, been reading too many stories about Xian Pu (Or Shan Fu, or some variant), Muu Tsu and Ku Lon.

Toku Kai> <<using a pole-axe to butcher a cow>>: True, I'd breper a battle axe, or maybe some daggers to really get in there, but that's just me.

Cal�ope> <>: Well, It would make a lot of other people happy. And don't you want to spread happiness? Then, there are always mirrors.

Fire Storm> <<although I KNOW the Ranma fans would hate me for it>>: How so?

Spacebabie> <<how do they get their veggies?>>: Feh. Veggies are ueless. It's all about the meat.

Imzadi> <<or the northern part of Canada or Russia>>: Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Especially if you're going through Siberia.
<<how come gargoyles never use their tails in sex in your fics>>: We've recently fought off an invasion of hentai tentacles, and you think we've never had them use tails?
<<What does a 1500 year old wizard want with a teenage girl>>: When you're 1500 years old, there isn't much of a difference between 18 years and 50 years.
<<And wouldn't Ari and Graeme think they were SOOOO stupid and cheesy considering they were born a hundred plus years in the future?>>: It could be retro by then.

Patrick Toman> <<And do they have the same problems with penguins as city gargoyles do with pigeons?>>: I don't think penguins like to roost in high places.

SOROW> My condolences on your troubles.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Friday, March 9, 2001 12:51:44 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Somebody open the window. I smell bullshit. ;)

Madame Destine: Just a couple of quick questions, because I'm curious. First, which one are you this time? Patrick or Kathy? Second...what's the deal with your fake name, anyway? Seems to me that if you were *truly* proud of the...stuff...you write, you'd put your *own* names on it. Or do you just get a kick out of deceiving your readers and the fandom in general?

Did Madoc and Maeve ever have sex? I couldn't care less. I'm not interested in the details of sexual encounters between fictional characters in the first place--especially when we're talking about two of the *least* interesting characters I've ever stumbled across. But then, I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't have enough imagination of their own who'd swarm around a fic about those two getting it on. Hope the stores are well stocked with Kleenex and hand lotion. ;)

"Greg bashing": Hmm...not meaning to bash him or anything, but my question is, what influence has he actually had on the show, other than thinking up the original seed of the concept in the first place? Maybe I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that Disney hired him to create shows, nothing more--meaning he thought up an idea and *other* people did the actual work, and then Weisman just gets all the credit for everything, and then he moved on to the next idea that somebody else would do the nuts-and-bolts work for, and so on. So...am I wrong about this? What did Weisman actually do, aside from just thinking up the original idea? But anyway, he did have some good ideas, and he also had some bad ideas. I mean, didn't one of his later series get cancelled a week or two after it started airing?

As for whether or not TGS "sucks"...I won't use that particular word. I'll just say that I completely lost interest in TGS during the Unseelie plot. The very first few stories were not bad, but maybe that's just because they were the first fanfics I ever read. (And thank god the first one wasn't "Mistress of Dreams," or I would've just walked away from the entire fandom right then and there.) But honestly...the characters and storylines began to bore me rather quickly. First, this thing about it being based on Weisman's master plan. Um...isn't that a rip off? I think the technical term is "plagiarism." ;) Just kidding, it's not that much of a rip off. But using something *somebody else* has planned...personally, if I were working on something like this, I'd much rather think up something *original.* That would be much more satisfying to me as a writer. And as a reader, I'd be much more interested in it if it were original rather than just a copy of somebody else's ideas.

Ah, and some stuff about the dirty tail trick. There won't be much of that in my fics. In fact, the only tail trick you'll see there is when Boiler uses hers to break a bad guy's legs. :)

Eh...anyhow, guess I'll do some replies...

Ranma Saotome: <<but what if you did kill yourself, yet came back to life? and it is possible, it just usually depends on how you do it.>> Um...I've been trying to follow the logic on this, and I'm failing spectacularly. I mean, coming back to life can work just fine in a work of fiction, but we're talking about the real world here. If you're killed, you don't get a little dialogue box saying, "Press space bar to restart level." ;)

Jannie: Yeah, it does seem to be subsiding a little. Occasionally people even tell me that they like the trenchcoat. But there are still far more people who act like they think their lives are in danger if I walk too close to them. One time I walked past a car and an old woman was sitting in the passenger seat, and she quickly rolled up the window and locked the door as I passed. And just a few days ago I got in line at the post office, and the woman in front of me grabbed her little kid and moved him around to her other side, placing herself between me and the kid. Sheesh...

Fire Storm: Dude, your computer sounds pretty nice. :) <<But it's a b!@#$ to upgrade! You have to rip apart the whole thing just to change a PCI card!>> Yikes. O_O Well, I don't mind ripping things apart. ;) But hopefully mine won't be too hard to work on. The main problem I had with the old computer was putting the modem back in, because I had to put a screw up in the corner, and my fingertips wouldn't fit up there, so I kept dropping the screw and having to start over... <<Add drug use or alcohol use to that list. (Methods of coping)>> Right, I should've remembered that. Things like this are among the reasons I never drink or use drugs. I don't ever want to lose control, and getting drunk is the surest way of doing just that. <> Christ, that pissed me off! A 30 MPH "chase" dominating every channel. That never would've happened if it had been some random guy who was NOT a rich and famous sports star. Instead, the cops would've just shot the bastard. <<Question//Query: Were you this "pissed off" before you bought the jacket? Seriously curious.>> Not that I know of. Sometimes I just have these episodes... <twitch...twitchtwitch>

Wilek: That link you posted in here was seriously frightening... O_O

Kit: Thanks for the comments on "Under the Hammer." Glad you enjoyed it. I'll try to get started on Part 2 in a day or two. Right now I'm working on a piece of original fiction that I hope will be published. As soon as I finish it, I'll get to work on Part 2. <<Thanks for the info on how you manage to survive, I think I can see better now why you're always so mad- your life's very messed-up, friend.>> Another thing that drives me nuts is that there are so many people who are in even worse shape than I'm in, and yet there are others who have plenty of money and can have whatever they want. And of course, the people who most vehemently deny that the rich are favored are, big surprise, rich people. And the thing that bothers me the most is the attitude among many of them that the poor "make the neighborhood look bad" and "lower the property value." Grr. <> Thanks, I appreciate that. <> I wish more people could. :(

Hmm. Guess that about covers it. Before I go...

***JOYRIDE!!!***

"Ah HAH! There's the Loser!" Jack hits the breaks and Cthulhu screeches to a halt. Everyone jumps out and faces Al Gore, who is walking around stiffly, looking puzzled.

"Excuse me, have you seen Joe...?"

"As a matter of fact, yes." Boiler grins. "Briefly."

Jack turns to Pistoff. "Um, just how are we gonna do this one? I'd like something creative..."

"Actually, I've been thinking about that for a while. The best thing that comes to mind is..." Pistoff snaps his fingers.

A moment later Boiler frowns. "What's that noise?"

Everyone looks up to see a swarm of woodpeckers descending on the Loser. He finally shows some real emotion, and screams as he turns and tries to run. He's not fast enough, though, and the woodpeckers acquire their target and go to work. Gore's screams are drowned out by the hollow rat-a-tat-tat of the woodpeckers carving away. Minutes later, the swarm leaves, and the Joyriders find themselves pondering the remains.

"Well," Taura says, "that was weird."

"But look at that," Boiler says, pointing at the gnawed kindling left over from the attack. "That's the proof we need. :)"

***END JOYRIDE FOR NOW**
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Friday, March 9, 2001 12:21:13 AM
IP: ppp127-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

For the Antarctic clan, I hope they have nothing to do with volcanoes.
Triglycerine - [tankertron@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 9, 2001 12:00:59 AM
IP: 110-pool1.ras12.ilchi.agisdial.net

Thanks Fire Storm
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Watcher of the immortal known as Macbeth
Thursday, March 8, 2001 11:33:00 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-208.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

** Niamhgold enters **

Winterwolf: Hey, pal! Heads up, I just sent ya an e-mail!

Adios (sorry, only had enough time to peek in and pass along that message (and try a new piccy for the heck of it))
Niamhgold
Thursday, March 8, 2001 11:30:44 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

**LC pokes her head back in the CR quickly.**

Hm...ya know, Coyote's right...change the call, please...that was worth at *least* 15 yards. ;)

Hm...on second thought, maybe I should just go for a second roughing call...gotta run! **grins widely, then exits quickly**
Lady Corax
Thursday, March 8, 2001 11:28:05 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Since Robby is having trouble posting, he asked me to do so for him.

On the Antarctic clan - None of the other clans changed their outfits because none were going through such a drastic change of temperature. And they don't exactly have a lot of fabric lying around, they took what was available, which is why Aurora's belt and loincloth is just one ragged piece of fabric. Just wait until you see Cole's outift...

As to what they protect, their attitudes on humans, how the days affect them, what they eat and such, well... We've actually thought about all that, and how it would affect things. The story potential involved is why we chose to use an Antarctic clan in the first place. It background details don't quite come up in this story I'm afraid, but we've got them figured...

In fact, we have plans and background details on all the clans, tho due to time contraints, a lot of this won't come to light until season 4 unfortunatley. Right now, you folks have only read the first part of "The Council" so some of your speculations, thoughts, and "nits" may yet come to light or be covered. Just wait a little longer and be patient...

This message brought to you by the painfully bored.
Robby posting through Alan
Thursday, March 8, 2001 11:17:12 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

**enters the room with his clothes dishevelled but grinning widely**

Josh: Uhmm ... withdraw the flag. **grins widely** Please. Don't think it's worth 10 yards, anyway ...

**SURVIVOR SPOILERS AHEAD!!**

Okay, so Jeff got voted off. Tell ya one thing ... I was *cheerin'* when Keith won immunity tonight, only cheering louder when Jerri jumped off her pillar. And by all appearances, it looks like Jerri might be the next voted off! I don't think *anyone* likes her anymore. :)

Ah well ... just wait until next week, and she'll be history. IhopeIhopeIhope ...

**END SURVIVOR SPOILERS!**

**hugs XenaTrek** Good to see ya, even if we *were* on opposite sides of the little incident. :)

Well, 'sall for me tonight. **heads for the door before being grabbed by a pair of feminine hands and getting dragged out**
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, March 8, 2001 11:15:07 PM
IP: 216.28.101.29

James: Go to (In IE), Tools, Internet Options, Connections, then click NEVER DIAL A CONNECTION.
That will do it!
Fire Storm
Thursday, March 8, 2001 10:45:11 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Sorry for the 2x Post

SJ> I do agree with you on Star Trek. That is one franchise which needs to be put down. I stopped watching years ago. I still enjoy Next Generation re-runs, but nothing that came after.

It seems that "Crusade" or some other new Babylon 5 project is on the horizon. All I need are new episodes of "Gargoyles" or one of the spin-offs and I'll be a really happy camper.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, March 8, 2001 10:22:15 PM
IP: dialin-761-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Patrick Toman> I go for Internet Explorer but a week ago my computer had this odd habbit of wanting to do dial up so instead I use Netscape now so I can say cancel and yet still I am online. Fifth Star Trek Series> Spock was the first vulcan in StarFleet. Everyone knows that
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, March 8, 2001 10:18:41 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-208.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Tryglicerine> Not all Gargoyles protect. Look at Demona and Thailog, and Iago/Coldsteel. Also Una and Leo didn't protect anybody for about five decades, and until the alliance with Macbeth, Demona's second clan didn't protect anyone. And considering the way humans treat them, I'd be surprised if some gargoyles didn't give up.

As for the dates of the next seasons. I don't know, we haven't announced anything yet. When we figure it out, we'll let you all know.

SJ> I don't know if I'm reading to much into this, but it sounds like you have a problem with Greg Weisman.

Also right now, I don't like the uncomfortable air in here. I don't know if it's just me, but I can just feel a flame-war coming. A really big one this time. I hope we can all avoid it.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 10:18:13 PM
IP: dialin-761-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

To tell you the truth, I'm kinda scared of coming in here anymore cause of all the yelling and fighting. I guess I thought this room was suppose to make people feel good about themselves and each other.

Anyway, just a note...
I have to tell you my story. I can only assume this shows how emotional and stressed out I am lately. But I was coming out of drill team practice and there was an orange cat sitting outside. It was downpouring all day and this cat was soaked and couldn't stop meowing. Now if you don't know me, I have three cats at home whom I love dearly, so I naturally wanted to get this cat out of the rain and show some friendly affection. I stood out in the rain for an hour, AN HOUR, trying to win this cat's heart by calling to him, petting him when he had enough courage to approach me, but he still would not come. I finally gave up, heartbreaking enough, and went home and cried for an hour at least. I practically hyperventilated. I've eventually figured out why I became so attached to this cat. It's because in many ways I am just like him: alone, seeking affection, and unable to trust anyone. I really tried to make him come with me, to show him how I would take care of him, to show him he was wanted. And I know, I KNOW, he wanted to go with me too, but he just wouldn't. I just thought that it was a very significant moment for me this last week.

And another piece of sad news: I may be fired from my job because I was hit by a con artist who short-changed me by a hundred dollars. I'm hoping they'll decide to keep me, but it's usually "first time is the only time." And I really need this job to pay off my credit card. *sigh*

Kit> Yea, that's what he said. "If it's meant to be, it will happen." Well, I'm tired of waiting and he obviously doesn't want me. So I'm moving on, it just couldn't have come at a worse time. I really need somebody right now.
SOROW
Thursday, March 8, 2001 10:06:54 PM
IP: a010-0347.dll2.splitrock.net

Josh - Every clan in the show had a protectorate. What do the Antarctica? Snow, penguins and asteroids? The space clan is even worse since it sounds like they live in a colony by themselves meaning they protect their own behinds. Not very gargoylelike. The Antarctica clan in the Masterplan is suppose to be like an Avengers/JLA group.

About Gargoyles staying on the Earth, you can guess that from Mr. Weisman's posts at s8.

Triglycerine - [tankertron@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 09:50:12 PM
IP: 148-pool4.ras12.ilchi.agisdial.net

Nahh no thanks you belive what you want to and I will belive in what I want to ^_^. well anyway from the looks of it she looks like she's from that bushido clan back in japan. But the way my stories are going something else is happening ^_^!!
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Thursday, March 8, 2001 09:43:33 PM
IP: 1cust240.tnt9.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

**SJ walks into the room holding a sign saying "Give Robby More Free Time So That He Can RP Again"**

That about says it all. If this keeps up any longer, I'm just gonna have to up and start my own thing, without the resolution of the Ten Saga. That's not out of anger, it's just that I got some stuff I want to do with the characters.

Speaking of absences, where IS Wilek, anyway? Where did that little booger go and hide? I mean, if Robby can't RP, I figure at least Wilek can. And I know Warps is into it.

I need the stimulation, frankly. Maybe Fred will do a joyride soon, to keep me out of withdrawal. Cause at this point of the year, I'm slouching into ennui.

Greg "Bashing": Okay, I am sorry to Gleeb and/or Triglycerine; I said that they were "bashing" Greg, when in fact they were not. Not really, I suppose. So, if I have slandered your names good sirs (madames?), please forgive me.
Although I'm will say that I'm sure some of us have different opinions as to the "brilliance" of the sun that is Greg Weisman. Or is that "Son"?
I'm sorry, I'm doing a show for one right now. Or maybe for two. >p

The Masterpieces of Madame Destine: I would say something about this, but I would entirely be robbing Fred of the pleasure of doing so. ;)

***STAR TREK SPOILERS***
Well, some updates have been released by the Trek people on the fifth Trek series. The new show will take place in the 22nd century, before the original series timeline. The core characters will be:

*Captain Jackson Archer, the ship's "adventurous" leader. [CoughcoughCaptainKirkripoffcoughCough]
*Sub-Commander T'Pau, the Vulcan science officer [CoughcoughSpockripoffcoughCough]
*Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker, the chief engineer
*Doctor Phlox, the medical officer (unknown alien species)
*Lt. Joe Mayweather, the helmsman
*Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed, the armory officer
*Ensign Hoshi Sato, comm officer (a quandary--will he be a clone of the manly, kick-ass Sulu, or the lame-ass puss Ensingn Kim?)
*Silik, the villain, a genetically engineered alien (Genetically engineered? Can you say, clone of Kahn?)

I have so many questions about the show....for instance, WHY DOES IT EXIST? That's the most prevalent question....Also, I want to know why they're trying to make this such a ripoff of the classic series in a desparate attempt to keep their fan base......

I will make one bold prediction: Even though they aren't supposed to show up until centuries later, I predict that the assholes who run the show will stick the Borg in this series somehow.

I used to love the Borg. But after seeing BORG CHILDREN, for God's sake, on Voyager, the Borg have lost their punch.

But there's some good news! Regular Voyater writer Bryan Fuller has agreed to write for this show too! Well, that dashes any hopes of mine that this show will be entertaining.

And speaking of Voyager, the series finale, coming very soon, has been promised to be "a rip-roaring, slam-bang action adventure full of twists and turns and surprises." And SURPRISE!! It WILL star the Borg! Of course.

If the Star Trek franchise was a horse, I would shoot it right now.
***END TREK STUFF***

***SURVIVOR SPOILERS***
I don't have too much to say about tonight's episode....it was good, not as great as last week's "Mike burned off his hands" spectacular, but a good show.....it's going to be interesting to see how the groups get along, as already there's backstabbing amok.

Some Random Thoughts:
*Maybe it's the Vicadin talking, but Tina is rather attractive for a woman her age. (You may hurl the sexist / age discrimination insults at me now!)
*When Jeff was talking about whining and dining the women, did you think he was lying too? (If he ever whined and dined any woman in his life, I'll eat a koala bear)
*I've said it every week, and I'll say it again--Elizabeth is just SO DAMN CUTE!!! ;)
*Man, am I glad Jeff is gone. If I had to take another week of his whining and catfighting, I'd have to eat a koala bear.
***END SURVIVOR STUFF***
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 09:41:18 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Patrick: If you can help it, avoid Ameritech!
Sure, the service is stable most of the time, but when it goes down, it goes DOWN!

I have had unstable service at times (It dropping connection every 45 minutes for a weekend) and lately my service was down for 36 hours!

My dad has Covad and has NO problems.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 08:33:32 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Josh > Re: tails - you obviously haven't read Christine Morgan's fics, or all of Madame Destine's fics yet. But I think if you want to discuss that topic in any greater detail, you should use the adult gargs comment room (adult.gargoyles-fans.org).

Antarctica > It's not the cold temperatures that make me wonder how a clan living there has been able to adapt... we saw in "Eye of the Storm" that gargoyles are pretty hardy and aren't affected by temperature extremes like humans are. But I wonder how a clan living below the antarctic circle would adapt to the six months of daylight, six months of night cycle. Do they still turn from stone to flesh and back at approximately 12 hour intervals during the period where it's always dark? And are they, unlike other gargoyles, able to awaken and see the sun during the period where it's always light? And do they have the same problems with penguins as city gargoyles do with pigeons? :P

Jannie > That's an interesting factoid. Now I have an excuse the next time I forget something... "I'm sorry, my brain must have shrunk again." :P

DSL > Does anyone who has DSL service have any recommendations? I'm sick of playing the disconnect game with AOL, and I'm currently trying to decide between Ameritech and Earthlink.
Patrick Toman - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 08:24:58 PM
IP: ac9966b6.ipt.aol.com

Imzadi>>>re: tail action>>
*wipes eyes, stops giggling*
Oh, the "dirty tail trick" has been around since the early days of fandom. I think Scott Mercure used it first. I had it as a running gag during most of my early Lex stories. Christine's used in to great effect in some of her stories. There's probably other stories out there too. You just haven't read them yet!
Spike
Thursday, March 8, 2001 08:20:45 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-61.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

IMZADI - Well, Merlin is currently in the body of a teenaged boy, so he and Mary are biologically the same age. And I think that his rejuvenation has affected his thought patterns and feelings to a certain extent.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 8, 2001 08:10:09 PM
IP: 216.87.46.175.dialup-stl.primary.net

Woo hoo! My roommate and I went shopping, and that means our fridge is fully loaded! If you're around, stop by and my roommate will cook you something!

I disagree that an Antarctic clan is silly. Hey, if I wanted to move away from all humans, I'd go somewhere COLD. Cuz humans don't like cold. I'd go to the Alps, or the Himalayas, or the northern part of Canada or Russia. And if gargoyles really are immune/resistant to cold, all the better. No adaptation required. But I do agree that if their only resistant, they might be a LITTLE bit better dressed.

Can we stop posting to inform people that we've received/sent their emails? That's what e-mail is for! Its like my roommates computer-illiterate parents calling to tell him that they e-mailed him. What's the point if you just come in here and post anyway?

Triglycerine: Who said anything about "of Earth". They're defenders/protectors. Period. They have wings, they should be a lot less earth-bound than humans.

Whoa?! Antarctica is gonna be a base for the new round table?! That's SWEET! Cuz damned if the queen of england is gonna let them establish base in HER country.

Sev Jr.: Bummer about the Rob Zombie movie. I didn't know about it, but damn I want to see it. Cool to find another stabbing westward and tool fan.

Madoc and Maeve: Wait a minute. I seriously think that there is an audience for a Madoc/Maeve story. But another question for the fanfic authors (NOT TGS STAFF): how come gargoyles never use their tails in sex in your fics. I mean, I'd think an extra appendage would be useful in a number of ways. And I single out the NC-17 fics, cuz I'm a dirty pig. So where's the tail action?

Greg: you completely failed to answer Gleeb's question about how long the breaks last between seasons. Its not like we'd actually hold you to your statements, but it might be nice to have a general idea of when we can expect the next Timedance, Pendragon, and Dark Ages seasons, just to satisfy our own curiosity. Can any of the TGS staff tell me a little about the creative process that goes into a season? Like, do you guys all get together in a chat room every night for a month to figure out where the writings are going?

Lady Corax: <>: Okay, that qualifies as a personal foul: roughing the CR readers. 10 yard penalty.

Madame Destine: I just read a couple of your fics. They rock!

Merlin: I wonder if having a sex life would make him any wiser. I know its changed my outlook on a lot of things and made me a lot more mature. But then, Merlin does have 1500 years of watching other people's sex lives, maybe that's close enough. I'm a bit peeved at the whole Mary Sefton relationship though. What does a 1500 year old wizard want with a teenage girl. Talk about a mid-life crisis!

Cali: yeah, but I have a lot of friends...I don't think those islands will cover it all.

Lain: Could you really have read all 130 pages of my fic that quickly!? Well, anyway, thanks for the kind words...maybe I'll share it with the rest of the world now...then again, maybe I won't because I'm a wuss. <>: Um...riiiiiight.

Kirshanta: What demona rapport?

Spacebabie: Lex, Brooklyn, and the twins would want one. Angela wouldn't care, and Broadway would pretend not to care cuz he's whipped, but really would want one. The rest are too busy doing other things to care. But come on, do you really think Xanatos hasn't already hooked them up with one? Speaking of veggies, how did Elisa afford to feed all six adult male gargoyles on a cop's salary while they were living in the clocktower!?

Brain shrinkage: I could make several very obvious anti-women comments, but I'll keep my trap shut. I think its quite obvious that men become grumpier every day...I know I do and I'm only 19!

Stupid Cybering Automatic Anteaters or whatever: Of course they are the TGS universe equivalent of Power Rangers...its too bad the TGS staff felt the need to include something so stupid. I was hoping that gargoyles would be more cultured than that. I mean, they're not necessarily subject to "trendy" things if they're not part of human society, are they? And wouldn't Ari and Graeme think they were SOOOO stupid and cheesy considering they were born a hundred plus years in the future?

We secretly switched our professor's water with ether in a thermal conductivity experiment. Let's see if he notices. ::Chuckles::
-Mike Margolis, Physics 7B (Thermodynamics, Electricity and Magentism)
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, March 8, 2001 08:03:04 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-26-15.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

"do that" = ask by e-mail. :)
Kit
Thursday, March 8, 2001 07:24:03 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.238.dlls.grid.net

Kaioto: <nods> I'll do that next time. Thank you for justifying my confidence and explaining things fully. It's appreciated. :)

Big post from Doug later tonight if he doesn't have to work, we're waiting for word. <crosses fingers>
Kitainia
Thursday, March 8, 2001 07:21:43 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.238.dlls.grid.net

shut up
fzsdf - [zsfzs@zdsfzds.com]
zsfzsf, zsfszfdszd, zsfzsfdz
Thursday, March 8, 2001 06:34:18 PM
IP: hse-hamilton-ppp243337.sympatico.ca

SPIKE - re: Super Cyborg Automated Armadillos; I've recently found myself wondering if there are people in the TGS Universe who feel about the armadillos the way that the bulk of us feel about, say, "Power Rangers" - as in "Make it stop! Make it stop! Make it stop!" Obviously Graeme and Lucy don't. :) Maybe the adult gargoyles in their clans do, though.

KIRSHANTA - Actually, I don't think that Madoc saw any pleasure in seducing Merlin's mother; it was purely for the purpose of fathering a son, and he had no interest in her beyond being the means to that goal.

SPACEBABIE - Actually, many of Scott's fellow X-Men in the cartoon view him as stiff. But as for your question - it may be just the general result of the combined burdens of leadership and eyes that constantly shoot out force-beams if you're not wearing special sunglasses. (Of course, there are some differences between the cartoon and the conventional version in the comics; for one thing, Rogue joins the X-Men in "Evolution" without encountering and permanently draining Carol Danvers).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 8, 2001 06:32:15 PM
IP: 216.87.46.175.dialup-stl.primary.net

Spacebabie> In my opnion: Hudson would say no. Goliath, Sata, Broadway and Bronx wouldn't care. Lex, Brooklyn, and twins would say yes.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Thursday, March 8, 2001 05:45:43 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-208.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Kit: If you had a serious question as to what the bounds were, you could've asked it in reply to the private mail I sent you. You assumed correctly, one way or another, that your post is all perfectly permissible.

Anyway, no, there is no ban on extending sympathies and such. I will _Not_, however, tolerate this sympathies clause (as it were) being abused by taking cracks at so-and-so in the room for being so mean, or continuing to expel opinions on the argument topic after it's been canned.

What you posted in relation to your sympathies is perfectly fine, for your own clarification and for others. I'd also recommend people make use of the email field and make address requests if they want the option to easily continue arguments that have been moved off the room proper.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 05:23:49 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

One other thing I want to say!

Christine: No fondue pots, please! You'll upstage my Aunt Andrea- she always sends one of those every time someone in the family has a wedding. I'm pretty sure we won't need two. Thanks for the thought, though. :)
Kit
Thursday, March 8, 2001 05:12:26 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.110.dlls.grid.net

Everyone: My apologies for defying the ban, but I need to say a couple things. First, I must send my apologies to Oracle. I didn't like the way he spoke to Lain, but that did not justify me snapping at him like I did. I am sorry for it and hope that he and everyone else will understand the situation that sparked such an attitude on my part made me so angry it clouded my judgement. Now I've reconsidered things, thanks in part to some very important points Jannie brought up in e-mail and a long involved reply I composed. While I'm not going to state my new opinion of the situation <sees a troll getting angry>, suffice to say it has changed.

Juliaexia: I hope the ban Kaioto has imposed on the room does not extend to letting you know that we are here for you in the painful situation that you're in, praying and hoping you'll find some way to live through and get over it eventually. Nor do I hope it means you can't post updates on your situation. You are my friend, just like everyone else in here, and I get worried about my friends when bad things happen to them.

If I can't mention that worry in here anymore, nor the hope that it will soon be eased, if I can't ask my friends how they are doing and get a response, all because of a few overreacting people's fears such naught-but-well-intentioned things will spark a flame war, maybe I shouldn't be a part of this room at all. :( (and no, I am not saying this for attention. It's merely a statement of my own belief and the facts, which makes it even more painful. :( ) Going off to work now.
Kit
Thursday, March 8, 2001 05:09:59 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.110.dlls.grid.net

-To Robby-
In fact, it did.
But then I thought about it. Why would it even occur to them to change their clothes? No one else did. I can understand if they were somewhat aware that the enviornment of where the Gathering was held in Japan would be different from the enviornment of Antartica, and that perhaps they should have a lighter change of clothes.. but they were practically wearing nothing from their descriptions and the picture provided. Why would they even *own* clothing like that? What purpose would it serve in Antartica?
Gleeb
Thursday, March 8, 2001 04:55:50 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

"On the subject of the Antarctic clan's clothing... Did it not occur to you they might have changed their wardrobe before coming?"

Robby
Thursday, March 8, 2001 04:36:59 PM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

I'm so happy!!! I got a review at Fanfiction.net! Someone out there said no one has done a story like mine before and liked what I had done! YIPPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, PLEASE READ MY FANFICS!!! WRITE REVIEWS TO ME!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
Beth H.
Thursday, March 8, 2001 04:23:29 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

This confirms what I've always known:

NEWS REPORT:
"Men who find themselves becoming grumpier and more forgetful as they grow older may now have an explanation.

Researchers at the Univesity of Pennsylvania found men's brains shrink as they grow older, with tests documenting slowing of response time and sense of humor.

The shrinkage apparently occurs only in men and can begin in their 20's, U. of PA neuropsychologist Ruben Gur, who led the research team, said Thursday.

Gur held out hope, however, that men can fight the degradation by using their brains in ways different from their normal routines.

Lawyers or accountants could turn to gardening or birdwatching, while police officers could learn a different language or take up a musical instrument.

The researchers found that women did not experience brain shrinkage. In one test, the team observed how men and women between 18 and 45 pushed a button after numbers flashed in front of them and found that males, particulary older men, had a greater difficulty in responding.
The results of the slower response times, when matched with electronic images of the participants' brains, led researchers to conclude that the male aging process leads to substantial reduction in the frontal lobes, which regulates attention."

*giggles* ohhhhboy! so many comments about this, so little time ;)

and also on the newsfront... *L*

The National Transportation Safety Board recently divulged they had covertly funded a project with the US auto makers for the past five years, whereby the auto makers were installing black boxes in four-wheel drive pickup trucks in an effort to determine, in fatal accidents, the circumstances in the last 15 seconds before the crash. They were surprised to find in 45 of the 50 states the last words of drivers in 61.2 percent of fatal crashes were, "Oh, Shit!"

Only the states of Oklahoma, Arkansas, Alabama, Texas and Tennessee were different, where over 89.3 percent of the final words were: "Hold my beer and watch this!"

ok, ok... just a little humor on that one ;) Go Texans! *L*

Jannie
Thursday, March 8, 2001 04:22:20 PM
IP: 209-144-251-18.hou.port.mytelco.com

Hi, I'm back!

-To DPH -
I stated several reasons why I disliked the idea of an Antarctica clan in an earlier post. I didn't have anything against the Space clan (C-Station... Thanks! I was going nuts trying to remember that.) In fact, from what I recall, Triglycerine was the only one who disliked the idea of C-Station.

-To Everyone Else-
About TGS stories in general- I didn't mean to sound as if I didn't like them before, but re-reading my post, I can see how a few people may have gotten that impression. I highly doubt I would have read through as much of the chapters as I have if I didn't like them. :) I basically just meant to say that the stories in Gargoyles and Pendragon were more to my personal liking. I still think Timedancer is very well written, with original ideas (And I'm sure Dark Ages is the same way, but I haven't read any of it yet.) I guess I just don't like Timedancer *as much* as G & P because of the lack of flow... I mean, they jump from time to time and it results in very little continuation with any of the stories. There's nothing wrong with that, Its just that I tend to prefer those long epic type stories when it comes to fan fiction. (IE, my favorite storyarc in Timedancer was that five parter that took place in ancient Egypt.. why? Mainly because Brooklyn actually stayed in one place for more than 2 episodes for once, allowing a lot of the guest characters time to develop... not to mention that several of them had already appeared in past eps. On top of that, the story itself was just a really cool idea.) I guess I like G & P because there seems to be one main theme for every season. Be it Querrymen, Unseelies, or whatever. From all I read so far, Timedancer lacks that completely. So really, it's my personal taste more than anything else.

-About TGS *not* following all the plans of Greg-
I actually meant that in a good way. Though it didn't sound like it in my last post. I liked the idea of Madoc and the Unseelies, and how it didn't follow Greg's plans of Oberon vs. Mab. (Not that I wouldn't enjoy that story either.)Sorry for the confusion there.

-On the subject of Greg Bashing...>
For the billinth time.. I was *not* bashing Greg. I don't see how *any* self respecting Gargoyles fan can bash Greg. If it weren't for him, there probably wouldn't have been a Gargoyles show (or at least not a good one). In fact, from everything I've read that's been posted here in the last 24 hours, *No One* has been Bashing him at all. Where any of you got that idea is beyond me.

All I said was that *everyone* has dumb ideas on occasion. "Everyone" includes Greg, TGS staff, as well as myself. Thankfully, all of the above mentioned individuals have many great ideas that vastly outweigh the stupid ones. This should be common sense to everyone here. To say that a certain individual has never had a dumb idea in his/her life would be a lie because no one is perfect. Anyone who disagrees in Greg's case is extremely disalusional, or a sheep.

-Antartica and other gripes-
Some of you may love the idea of a Clan in Antartica, and that's perfectly fine. But that doesn't mean that everyone else must like it too. ALL of you have at least one gripe about some aspect of TGS, or the offical Gargoyles show - and that's great, because we are all unique individuals with our own views and opinions.
Personally, I think I'd be a little more open towards an Antartica clan if the characters were portrayed with a bit more clothes (Sorry, that, "cold doesn't effect gargoyles as much as it does humans" isn't going to work in the 2nd coldest climate in the world, especially when, right off the top of my head, I can point out two separate times in the offical tv show where Gargoyles were shown to feel cold in significantly less harsh enviornments.) The way the characters were dipicted in the latest Gargoyles chapter, they looked like they were dressed for a hot sunny day(er.. night) at the beach.

-About the recent Gathering episode-
As I mentioned before, I got an odd feeling from it. I wouldn't go so far as to say I disliked it(Actually, aside from the random way in which certain characters were acting, I rather enjoyed it), more like it was just a lot different than what I was expecting. Maybe it was all the suspence and waiting for the new season to begin again- I dunno. Overall I give it a B rating. Not the best chapter written, but certinely not the worst.

-That is all-

Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 04:17:02 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

What a week and now that classes are over.....
SPRING BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!

Aaron>>>Wasnt sure if Pest prefered chocolate or vanilla ::Hands Pest a Chocolate vanilla swirl::

Juliaxa and Lain>>>>HUGS hugs and more hugs

Todd Jenson>>>Do you know when did Cyclops get his personalitly surgicaly removed? He seems a lot cooler in Evoloution.

School Shootings>>>there was another one at a of all places a Catholic Girl School!. Proves SJ's point that uniforms won't stop school violence((I wish Green Baron where here. He would have comented on that for sure))

Newbies>>Welcome to the Cr leave your sanity deposited in this lil glass jar.

Antartic clan>>> I wonder about the reality myself... Gargoyles can't live of seal along. they would nedd other food? how do they get their veggies?

I had two scares recently. Monday my dog Perdita had a seizure and while seizing she fell into the pool. My dad had to jump into the pool and rescue her.
Tuesday it was real windy and as I was heading to the car I started to have difficulyt breathing((I forgot my inhaler)) I made it home safetly.

hmmm the name things
Mara!
Mara!
Mara!

Wilek!
Wilek!
Wilek!

Here is an interesting question. Would the gargoyles like a dvd player. I mean if mr X bought them one?

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Thursday, March 8, 2001 04:05:30 PM
IP: user-37kapgj.dialup.mindspring.com

Kit > sounds like a nice honeymoon! If I get a nice fat advance check or movie deal or something, you bet ... but if my finances continue as they are, you and Doug may have to settle for a fondue pot ; )

News snippet > got word today that a story of mine "easily made the first cut and has a strong inside track" to be included in an upcoming anthology! Should know more in a month. Go you wacky zombies, rah-rah-rah! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 03:43:18 PM
IP: 13-049.075.popsite.net

Fire Storm> okay. Caliope>(hugs back)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Thursday, March 8, 2001 02:36:37 PM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

***Spoilers***The Council Part 1***
*This* is the one I�ve been waiting for since last season!!! I agree with Taleweaver that it was disappointing that all the delegates seemed reluctant to be there like kids forced to go to Saturday school when they�d much rather be playing video games. However, I disagree that Goliath acted out of character. I think we�ve seen plenty of evidence in the past of his short temper and tendency to throw tantrums. �Outfoxed� comes to mind. Goliath could have made a much better impression on Renard if he had forgone that stupid �A gargoyle doesn�t whine� he ROARS!!!� line.
On the topic of Delilah, I don�t know that she is completely confident and adventurous at this point. I had the feeling she had to drag herself into that cargo hatch because it was something she felt she had to do, but was terrified to. Kind of like me entering the Gathering art contest. And anyway, we *have* seen her develop. Demona herself admired Delilah for persisting in befriending her after she had already turned her away.
BTW, I LOVE Icarus. That scene where he and Delilah were sitting out under the stars together was, sigh� really cute. They�re the one couple out of the three that developed that we were immediately sure was Just Right. Hudson and Kylie will hopefully remain friends (and what a good pair, huh?) and Kirstie and Lexington are probably just comedy relief. I hope she doesn�t hurt him. *glows ominously* She will have me to deal with.
As far as the council itself goes, I can�t believe the Chinese clan (BTW, *this* is where everyone�s favorite playful puppy came from???) and some of the others are so opposed to an alliance. It sounds like a natural idea to me. Goliath�s not suggesting a tax system or anything (is he?), but just to stay in communication and help each other out when help is needed.
Ed> I love your dog metaphor for TGS :)
Well, overall, I was impressed and I�m looking forward to next week!
Ambrosia
CA
Thursday, March 8, 2001 01:58:19 PM
IP: ac881720.ipt.aol.com

Triglycerine & others - 1st, what is wrong with a clan of gargoyles living in Space or one in Antartica? 2nd, it's 'C-station' from "Games Without Frontiers" from 1st season of TD. It was put into orbit in 2130s. Anything beyond that is unrevealed or vague.

Before I joined TGS staff recently, I thought the stories were of high quality because it was the result of collaboration with multiple points of view considered. Now that I have joined, I know the stories are of high quality for the same reasons that I thought they were.

School testing - I thought it would be cool if an AI was smart enough to use your notes to take a test. Or use some VR setup to scan the information in brain and use that to take the test.

**RP RELATED**
Ok, ITAG has 6 major areas. Order of defense is the equilivant of the military. Order of accounability is the equilivant of internal affairs. Order of security is the equilivant of the spy ring. Order of information is the equilivant of an information services department. Order of service takes care of member's day-to-day needs.

About those names: I asked permission before using David Goodner and Daniel Johnson's names. All other names come from RL of people I admire.
**END RP RELATED**

No BFTS RP since I did a long RP related bit.

What's this? Someone thinks there is no RPing in this room. There are TWO rps in this room.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, March 8, 2001 01:55:58 PM
IP: max1-39.cwy.cei.net

*strolls in after reading Imzadi's Fic..*
Geez man... yer GREAT... I LOVE YOU :D:D:D

*winks and exits*
lain
Thursday, March 8, 2001 01:27:12 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

test
Anonymous
Thursday, March 8, 2001 01:17:23 PM
IP: ac881720.ipt.aol.com

Caliope: <just make sure you dont find out what the end to the series is out of time, that is SOOOO disapointing!!!>
Syntax failure!
(Just don't find out what will happen in the end before you see everything?)

Gleeb: <Okay.. how long do the breaks between season's generally last?>
Typicialy, it's about 6-9 months. Sometimes longer. Gargoyles (Main TGS) took over a year, I believe.
Heck, I think there was 2 seasons of Timedancer between seasons of TGS.

Beth H: <Even with my lack of knowledge of computers and the Internet, I have been able to post all _5_ chapters of my Ranma 1/2 fanfic series at Fanfiction.net>
Hmm... MAYBE I should write mine... although I KNOW the Ranma fans would hate me for it!

James Birdsong: <Magical pocket theory?>
Probally.

Winterwolf: <Gah! Are you guaranteed a certain uptime %?>
AMERITECH? Guarantee ANYTHING? Nope.
<Some providers give you that and if they you are down for too long then you get a free month. I like to call it the DSL lottery>
My cable company has something like that.
My old dial up 'net account had something like that.
If AMERITECH goes down... BFD.
Hell, there have been cases where people have had 6+ MONTHS of downtime and some of them were expected tp continue paying their bills!
<It also tends to make them much more reliable>
Ok... now THAT'S funny! ;)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 01:05:07 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Hey pplz! *strols in waving* * ^_~ *

*looks around the CR*....eeee....not good...

Winterwolf>> Hey! *HUGZ* <<Speaking of Roswell, I wonder what happened last night.>> eh, they gave us about 5 new eps in a row, they'll show reruns now till at LEAST April, stingie as they are with those new eps ;P <<now I know you are ticklish!>> lol well, IRL I'm not that ticklish, but do to one of my many silly RP's with one of my manny silly friends, I turn into Cali goo (which kindda looks like popcorn, I'm told ;P) whenever I get tickled too much!!! *runs away and hides behind the couch to avoid getting tickled* Cali goo not good!!! Remember Cali goo cant give HUGZ!!!! :P

Josh> <<Puerto Rico,
fine.>> Yey!! I'm STILL one of the Princesses of Puerto Rico!!! :D <<Where do you think all my friends will want their own personal vacation islands?>> *blinx* how 'bout the polinesian islands, (yeah, I'm sure the spelling is ALL wrong on THAT one, perdoname!!! ^_^;;) Hawaii, Tahiti, and that whole other buch of little islands? :P

Fire Storm> <<Ranma>> just make sure you dont find out what the end to the series is out of time, that is SOOOO disapointing!!!

Gside> <<You could always volunteer.>> lol I dont see how doing that would resolve things for ME I'd still be model-less. And in any case, I'm WAY to shy to model in the buff, even if you do get paid 10$ an hour to sit on your @$$ :P

Kit> Thanx for the congrats, the good lucks and the sympathies, and I AM glad they didnt take anything that realy ment anything to us. I first I thought they had taken this little green suit case full of my baby pictures and pics of my parents wedding and I was so pissed off, but they just brough it to another room, rumaged through it and found nothing "valuable" so they left it...

Meep! I have ta go!!! *zooms around and gives everyone quick HUGZ* Bye!!!! *zooms out the door*
Caliope
Thursday, March 8, 2001 12:55:04 PM
IP: 136.145.83.183

Hi. Well I wolfed my lunch down and now I have plenty of time to myself. ^_^

Gleeb> Welcome back! <I�ve found that the writers for TGS *don't* always, "...follow the words of Greg Weisman like they were the words of God"> My personal take on the TGS writing is that each writer writes in their own style but certainly tries to keep the spirit and ideology of the original Gargoyles series.

Triglycerine> Welcome to the CR. If you look at the original show it is a gross exaggeration to say that ALL gargoyles protect and defend. Behavior tends not to be so simplistic or generally applied to an entire group. Certainly many gargoyles tend to behave this way however they do not do so blindly. Also what they protect certainly varies based mainly on the leader�s view.

FireStorm> <36 hours later> Gah! Are you guaranteed a certain uptime %? Some providers give you that and if they you are down for too long then you get a free month. I like to call it the DSL lottery. At least you feel better even if you can�t use it for a little while. It also tends to make them much more reliable. ;D

Kaioto <a pole-axe to butcher a cow> Oh I�m reaching for comments now. Really extending my striking distance. ;)

I guess that�s all for the time being. Adios.

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Thursday, March 8, 2001 12:48:54 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Hm � about ask masterful as using a pole-axe to butcher a cow � but hey, we�ve all got to make do with what we can. I appreciate you taking the discourse to private. Thank you.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 12:35:35 PM
IP: 141.133.147.152

Now - for the serious replies.

I have lots to say. Unfortunately, thanks to another masterful stroke on the part of our wonderful administrator ** whom Kirshanta quickly pecks on the cheek **, I cannot speak my mind.

Oracle >> Your email please - I need to agree with you on a couple of things.

Jennie >> Same as Oracle

Imzadi >> nice Demona rapport

Sevarius, my wonderful friend >> Once again you read my mind

Triglycerine and all other Greg bashers >> Not a good way to make you niche in the CR. I agree with Greg - there are ways to say such things.

Kit >> Actually, I think Madoc and Meave are more business partners than friends. They seem to get along well - but a few centuries in someone's presence will do that to you.

However- on the issue of sexual liasons, lets be smart here. OF COURSE they had sex - how long ago is the question. They obviously are not doing it anymore (well not since Madoc is dead) but I mean even before, like when we first saw them - they seemed to have this uneasy partnership. I think Madoc still pines for Titania, but I also think he took whatever pleasures he could during the centuries - Witness Merlin's mother - and if those pleasures included Maeve for the better part of a century then so be it. I think as of the momment we met them, they were no longer sexually involved together.

As for romance, I don't think either of them is capable of such emotional commitement.

That's all for now - I'll try and check in more often - I wouldn't want to miss the next flame war (although considering my track record, maybe it's a good thing I missed this one).

Later...

P.S. STEFA >> Ever heard of commas...
Kirshanta - [kirshanta@yahoo.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 10:51:52 AM
IP: g67-49.citenet.net

Stefa >> WHAT IS TGS?? Hello!! Where exactly do you think you are? This is the TGS COMMENT ROOM. It is about GARGOYLES. It is the ongoing SAGA (note the Dr.Evil finger motion at each highlighted word - LASER) of the gargoyles as thought out by Greg Wiseman the CREATOR or Gargoyles and written by his supporting staff.

Sata is Brooklyn's MATE and they have two CHILDREN. They are MARRIED. (The exact episode is Timedancer - IN TGS - is THE PROMISE). Read it attentively. That's where Brooklyn and Sata get MARRIED.
Kirshanta
Thursday, March 8, 2001 10:41:50 AM
IP: g67-49.citenet.net

Madame Destine>> Nope, that's the Maeve story I meant. Once you've crawled inside her head, you can get a really interesting impression of what Madoc must have been like, simply from the length of their association.

Maeve/Madoc fics>> No, no..... I'm too busy writing a Graeme/Lucy fic for the Reunion Adult fic contest (to be held via private mailing list). It's largely about friendship turning into romance, horribly mushy stuff.
And quite a lot of Super Cyber Assault Amadillos.....
Spike
Thursday, March 8, 2001 09:05:39 AM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-128.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Madame Destine> Well your fics are great, so it's no wonder that they'd be mentioned and recommended here. I know a few individuals are going to disagree with me, but you write masterpieces.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, March 8, 2001 07:33:02 AM
IP: bess3.lhric.org

Incidentally, since we've been recently discussing here (among other things), Madoc's "sexual side", I thought that I'd weigh in with my own thoughts on Merlin/Emrys.

My own take is that Merlin is still (as of "The Once and Future King Part Two") a virgin. He has a number of reasons for it. First off, he was given a very conservative upbringing by Blaise where sexual morality was concerned. Second, he's rather bothered by being illegitimate, especially in light of the consequences of it for his mother (his family was very upset about his mother having a son out of wedlock, and even more so in view of who the father was, and promptly shut her up in a nunnery for the rest of her life), so naturally, he's unwilling to engage in casual amours with the result of a disgraced ex-girl-friend and an illegitimate child. And third, I think that he's been genuinely living with the fear that if he ever had kids, Madoc would attempt to corrupt them to his cause, and might actually succeed. (Those of you who've read "Ripper" will probably have noticed that that fear lingers on even past Madoc's death). (The Nimue business may not have helped matters much either).

So I see him as still a virgin at present, and I don't see it as likely to change any time soon. I believe that Mary's also a virgin, and that that's not likely to change any time soon (particularly on account of her being a werewolf). The two of them are dating at present, but in a perfectly G-rated manner (going out to the movies and things like that).

As for Merlin's two previous girl-friends:

NIMUE: She's been married at least once, to one of King Arthur's knights, Sir Pelleas; I don't know if they had any children, though. Pelleas was one of the few knights of the Round Table who survived the Battle of Camlann between Arthur and Mordred; Nimue deliberately saw to it that he didn't go to the battle. (He is dead by now, though, being a normal human with a normal life-span).

CORBIE: I seriously doubt that she's a virgin, but I'm unwilling to pry into her private life.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 8, 2001 06:40:44 AM
IP: 216.87.46.115.dialup-stl.primary.net

Madame Destine: Hmm... if it worked for you...

Merlin Missy
Merlin Missy
Merlin Missy!

(Hey, I gotta try!)
Fire Storm
Thursday, March 8, 2001 12:51:18 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

:: delurks at hearing her name several times, kind of like how it works with Beetlejuice ::

Actually, I've not written anything about Madoc and Maeve... yet... but I'm flattered that you recommeded my work, Spike. I've done only one story ("Mistress of Dreams") involving Maeve, but that was set AFTER she was taken away at the end of TGS Season Two. Of course, I've got a few favorite parts of other TGS stories that lead me to suspect where Maeve's preferences lie... but that's just me. >:)

BTW, for anyone who's having trouble finding me in the archive (I must be one of the few people who's name is NOT listed FOUR times in the author list)... there's a link below to back-up archive of my stories, where I've been able to store them from safekeeping to keep the Windows 95 demons from eating them.

:: slips back into lurkdom ::
Madame Destine - [m_destine@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 8, 2001 12:08:38 AM
IP: ac8dfb69.ipt.aol.com

Firestorm> Magical pocket theory? ScoobyDoo movie> Turkey Award winning movie. Triglycrine> Exactly
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 11:35:44 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-19-97.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Coyote> Hm...well, I don't have any good guesses for your contest. Sorry. ;) That's a very interesting point, though, that Mei's name was based on an anime...although...hm...if I *really* wanted to know, I could just find out from you...see, I have *ways* of making you talk...**grins, grabbing Coyote's hand and dragging him out of the CR** Be back later, y'all...:)
Lady Corax
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 11:22:18 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Fanfic News>Everyone, be amazed! Even with my lack of knowledge of computers and the Internet, I have been able to post all _5_ chapters of my Ranma 1/2 fanfic series at Fanfiction.net. That's right. All 5. I'm so proud of myself for figuring out how to do such basic computer things. ^_^ (You can tell I'm not very computer savvy. :P)
Beth H.
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 11:18:32 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Hmm ... okay, it runs for a while, so let me present this challenge, since in my skimming of spoiler warnings nobody brought it up ...

... I give this challenge to all the readers ... especially since I came up with this ... I challenge you to try to figure out where Mei Hsing's name comes from. I'll only give one hint: It's from a manga that was made into an anime in the early '90s.

Let's see if anyone figures it out. :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:37:46 PM
IP: 216.28.101.87

Gleeb> There won't be new "Pendragon" episodes for a while. We're currently working on "Timedancer" and have not even begu planning out the new season of "Pendragon". But it will come, and several of us have ideas for it. Be patient.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:28:24 PM
IP: dialin-31-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

-To Fire Storm(or anyone else that knows) -
Okay.. how long do the breaks between season's generally last? It is set periods of time, or random? What I mostly want to know is, when will there be new Pendragon eps?

-Sevarius Jr. -
I didn't mean to bash Greg Weisman. For the most part, I think what he's a great guy. But even great people occasionally have dumb ideas.

The whole Antartica clan idea, whether it was thought up by TGS staff independantly of Greg or not, is dumb.
(In my no-doubt pointless opinion of course)
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:20:58 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

SJ> ANd you're entitled to your opinion. Greg and JMS are my two favorite writers, and I like their work equally.

And I knew you were being sarcastic, I was as well. Perhaps that wasn't detectable. Not that I would mind if anything was written about Maeve though ;)
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:07:01 PM
IP: dialin-31-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Greg: This is my own personal opinion as a Babylon 5 fan, but whenever someone starts to compare Greg Weisman to JMS, I feel the beginning of a brain aneurism coming on.

And I don't mean to insult you, but about Madoc and Maeve? Apparently when I said an erotica should be written about the two, I didn't include enough sarcasm in my sentences.
Sevarius Jr.
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:04:08 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

DSL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!
(36 hours later)

Spike: 
correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Madame Destine touched the topic of Madoc and Maeve.
(I can NEVER find Madame Destine in the fic archive!)

James Birdsong: <Most immortals use them and of course a sword conveintly fits there>
Oh, like thats a problem. Hell, Immortals can make a sword appear even when NAKED!

GXB: <Madoc may desire Titania and her being a woman that he could never have may have played a large part there.>
Which is why it is my belief that Madoc and Maeve were intimate, but he was thinking of Titania.
(Kinda like Buffy's Spike and Harmony ;)

Triglycerine: <TGS sucks!! What idiots wrote this crap?>
Word of note to lurkers/Newbies: That is NOT the best way to make friends in this CR.
<You were stupid enough to put a clan in Antarctica and in space!! Obviously you guys missed one of the main themes of Gargoyles!>
What, exactly, was missed?
The fact that Gargoyles DO exist and can exist in enviroments that were thought to be un-inhabitable?
Take Antartica for example.
The show said that Gargoyles CAN survive in the cold because it dosen't affect them. It is a very remote place and few humans are there.
Animals, such as seals and what not do come to the general area, and would be considered food.
And there is no space clan YET.
So, please enlighten us on the exact problems you saw with this latest story.

Imzadi: <Actually, I didn't consider that Maeve might prefer the company of women>
Personally, I always though that she had feelings for Madoc, which he never returned.

Gleeb: <Forgive my ignorance if this is common knowledge, but how often are new chapters added?>
For the most part every Sunday night. (Unless you catch TGS between seasons.)

SJ: 
*AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!*
CHILDREN! Dinner!

Why does my chest hurt?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:02:22 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

SJ> I for one don't mind people saying that they don't like Greg Weisman's ideas, so long as they do so in a mature manner and are respectful about it. We wouldn't all be here if not for Mr. Weisman so he deserves respect, especally since he takes the time out of his busy schedual to interact with the fans (not here, but on the S8 CR). He's also a good man. Gargoyles fans bashing him is like Babylon 5 fans bashing JMS.

Madoc and Maeve Eroctica Story> Yes, someone should write one. Someone, please do ;)

I agree with you about the Scooby Do movie, I'm planning to avoid that one any way. I also hear that Sarah Michelle Gellar is in it, but I'm not sure.

Thanx for the Napster warning, I'll have to download a bunch of MP3s ASAP.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 09:59:50 PM
IP: dialin-31-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

**SJ dances into the room wearing a mariachi outfit and humming "Mas Que Nada"**

Hey, my favorite Spanish song this side of "Feliz Navidad" is now the soundtrack to a car commercial! Well, if Moby can whore out his music, I suppose Sergio Mendes can as well.

Boy, at a time like this I wish I could RP. Remember when that used to happen? When there were actually RPs in here? (And to those of you who DON'T like RP, I'm just saying this to goad the others into RPing again, so no reprieve for you!!! Bwah ha!)

Greg Bashing: Wow, I'm sensing a lot of negativity from a couple of newcomers about Greg Weisman. I find this very interesting, as Greg is often a teflon-coated property in the CR. No one is allowed to say anything bad about "the brilliance of Greg Weisman". I find this interesting, and more than a little amusing.
Personally, I agree with Gleeb (and a little bit with Triglycerine)--Greg has dumb ideas too.
Although maybe we might disagree on the actual number of dumb ideas Greg has.

Madoc and Maeve: Wow, what a hot topic--if the two of them were ever bumping uglies.
I won't conjecture whether or not they ever where, but I bet that someone in the fandom could write an erotica story about their "relationship", and gee, I bet it'd be very popular.

Music for your mood: I would think that most people would listen to sad music if they themselves are feeling depressed. Of course, almost all the music I listen to is either melancholy (Like Coldplay's "Don't Panic") or angry (like most anything by Tool). Or I just listen to music that's angry AND melancholy at the same time, like Stabbing Westward.
Oh, and here's a tip--if you're in an angry sort of mood, I suggest you put Snake River Conspiracy's "Sonic Jihad" on the stereo, and crank up the track "Vulcan". You will not be disappointed. ;)

***ENTERTAINMENT NEWS***

Free music fans: If you love Napster, you better get your ass in gear, cause with the way things are going, it'll only be around for another couple of days.
After a group of court rulings, Napster is to begin work on blocking or removing copyrighted material from their service (which would eliminate all the good stuff!). Napster says that they need time and info from the record industries to determine just what material is copyrighted and what is not, but the court ruling is very strict and, essentially, Napster may close down within the next 48 hours. I personally am downloading like a fiend even as we speak.
On the bright side, mega rock superstar the Dave Matthews Band has come out in support of Napster. You know what? I'm not really a Dave Matthews fan....there music is just "okay" in my book....but I find myself automatically liking Dave about a million times more than Lars Ulrich right now.

But speaking of music artists, Rob Zombie has had some bad news this week--Universal Studios has apparently decided not to distribute his directorial debut movie, "House of 1,000 Corpses". The reason was that the film, optimally (that is, without edits that would take away from the final product), would get a NC-17 rating from the MPAA board (personally, this shows me that Rob knows what he's doing!). Since a NC-17 rating is a virtual kiss of death at the box office, Universal has decided to drop the film from its distribution schedule.
Which is sad, because of the previews I saw of the film, it looks perverted, disgusting, offensive, and gratutiously violent....in other words, it was EXACTLY the film I had been looking forward to in these days of vomit-inducing teen flicks like "Get Over It" or "Josie and the Pussycats" (I'm sorry, I don't care how much "stimulating" Kirsten Dunst or Rachel Leigh Cooke are, those films look like sh!t.) Jesus, I thought the movies of 2000 were horrible. So far this year, there's been NOTHING good out (yes, I mean NOTHING), unless you count Hannibal (which is debatable if it should go in the "good" category or not). And looks like nothing good WILL come out, until this summer (I know what you're saying--"But SJ, 'Exit Wounds' starring DMX and the big screen return of Steven Seagal is coming out in just a week! That's gonna be great!"). Sweet baby Jesus, I'm in trouble. I don't know how many more of this crap I can sit through before I'm on top of the water tower with a rifle.

And speaking of God forsaken movies that should NEVER see the light of day....I give you a glimpse of Scooby Doo, the Movie. CLICK ON MY NAME to see what an abomination this is turning out to be.
I will say this: When I am king of the world, I will allow Freddie Prinze Jr. to be hunted for sport. I won't let anyone kill him, cause I'm not into that, but I could be convinced to let the talentless little pretty boy be "hobbled".

And finally, in the most ridiculous news story of the week, apparently the FBI has confirmed that there was a secret plot to kidnap Russell Crowe at one of his movie premieres. You know, I don't know why, but I never cease to amaze at the stupidity of people. Regardless of the mind-numbing question of what you would do with Russell once you did have him (I can only think of two reasons--"The Gimp" or "Dr. Lecter's Casserrole Surprise"), who would be insane enough to try and kidnap Russell Crowe at a movie premiere, with only about a thousand security guards surrounding him???
My take on this? I think the FBI should be knocking on Dennis Quaid's door, asking him a few questions. ;)

Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 09:46:17 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Triglycerine> Yes Robby is sure that TGS came up with the Antarctic clan before Greg Weisman revealed it, because like myself, Robby is a member of the TGS Staff, and wrote the Council story.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 09:45:08 PM
IP: dialin-31-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Gleeb - I am talking about the space clan in Timedancer. It was one of most ridiculous things I ever heard.

"As for this, '...anti-bodies of the Earth. They don't go setting up clans in space.' I don't see where you're getting that from."

Mr. Weisman's posts about how the Earth is sentient in the Gargoyles Universe, FF7 and the Gaea Theory.

"About the Antartica clan.. I really don't care if it was natural, if Griff & Arthur set it up - I still think the idea is silly. "

I believe that it was an Illuminate base that eventually turns to the hq for the New Roundtable and also the site for a clan.

Birdsong- I thought that was because TGS never found out Morgana was a changeling.

Robby- Are you sure about that? They wouldn't have included Antarctica unless it was mentioned by Weisman or got a point in the contest.
Triglycerine - [tankertron@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 09:34:51 PM
IP: 205.213.142.124

Actually, TGS had plans for a clan in Antarctica long before Greg Weisman revealed he had similar plans.
Robby
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 09:05:30 PM
IP: 216.28.101.87

New Olympians not being an council> They didn't want to since they don't see themselves as gargoyles. An example of TGS not following Greg's plan> Morgana Cornish was supposed to be a changling switched at birth not a halfling as she is in TGS.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 07:48:22 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-19-97.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

There is a story behind each clan, you'll learn them all eventually, till then keep reading.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 07:40:30 PM
IP: dialin-31-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Triglycerine- Are you referring to that one old 1st season Timedancer episode set in the distant future, or from the recent Gargoyles chapter? You sound as though you're talking about the Gathering chapter, but I don't recall a space clan ever being mentioned.. and if one was, then I agree it would be silly in the time setting.

However, there's nothing wrong with a space clan set in the future (forgive me, but I forgot the actual name of the station... was it.. T station ? ) I'm sure the Gargoyles living there would just see the station itself as their protectorate, and thus it wouldn't go against their natural instints. As for this, "...anti-bodies of the Earth. They don't go setting up clans in space." I don't see where you're getting that from. How would space travel be anymore unnatural for a Gargoyle than it would be for a human? Not only does it not make sense based on all we know about Gargoyles, it's also implying that they would be unable to adapt to the changing times.

About the Antartica clan.. I really don't care if it was natural, if Griff & Arthur set it up - I still think the idea is silly.
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 07:35:58 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Oops sorry I forgot that I posted that story on another webiste *smacks her forehead* sorry for the confusion folks:) well just scratch out that part about me posting a story ok well it's been swell but the swellings gone down:D
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 07:23:59 PM
IP: 1cust70.tnt11.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Ok but in the real episodes is he acauly married and if so what episode and I just made tow new stories and posted them :) but the first one about New Friends and New love it has another part I forgot to put part one on it ok thanks;)
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 07:18:47 PM
IP: 1cust70.tnt11.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Gleeb - Greg Weisman's idea of an Antarctica wasn't stupid since that clan was was set up by King Arthur and Griff, but TGS's idea that gargoyles live there naturally is crap.

Josh - One reason it's so stupid is that it basically throw out what I think is one of the ideas of gargoyles and that is gargoyles are like the defenders and anti-bodies of the Earth. They don't go setting up clans in space .
Triglycerine - [tankertron@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 07:15:02 PM
IP: 51-pool3.ras12.ilchi.agisdial.net

*tiptoes in*

Jannie.. thank you for your email.. sent you reply..

*tiptoes out*
lain, ye olde Drama Queen - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 07:03:58 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Gah! Ignore all those in my post. Most other boards that I post on allow html and tend to not recognize breaks otherwise. Sorry about that.
Gleeb
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 06:55:44 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Hi there, This is probably my third post in as many months so doubtfully any of you even know who I am... but anyway. 
Forgive my ignorance if this is common knowledge, but how often are new chapters added? 
I've been slowly reading the stories when I get time over the last 6 months or so. I've read through all of Gargoyles & Pendragon, and am midway through the 2nd season of Timedancer. Haven't gotten to Dark Ages yet.
 To be honest, Timedancer is just.. okay.. and Dark Ages just doesn't sound that interesting at all. I really enjoyed what I've read of Gargoyes & Pendragon though. I was glad to see that the latest Gargoyles chapter finally got to the gathering, which I've been eagerly anticipating. But I have to say I was a bit dissapointed. As someone else already mentioned earlier, most of the representatives sounded very indifferent to the gathering... as if they didn't care if it happened or not, where as others outright didn't want to be there at all. (Why was the New Olympion clan so against attending, and what was up with the Chinese Gargoyles being so stand offish? Why were these groups so against dealing with other Gargoyles outside their own clan?) From what I got from the offical episode involving the New Olypions, they seemed very open towards "new" Gargoyles- it was only Elisa(or any other humans) they seemed to have problems with. In fact, by the end of the episode, some of the characters were beginning to think that perhaps they should change their ways... IE they couldn't hide from humans forever, especially with human technology advancing in leaps and bounds)... maybe that was just my own personal impresssion though. 
Anyway, I'd have thought that most Gargoyles would be eager to see others of their kind. I also felt that almost everyone seemed to be way out of character, especially Lex, Goliath, & Delilah. 
That's another thing I had a problem with... when Delilah first stowed away, I thought that she wanted to come to represent her own clan since Talon had decided not to go -but once there, it was made out like she was part of Goliath's clan. What was up with that?? It should have been made pretty clear that she was of a whole separate NY clan that had decided not to attend. 
To Triglycerine - Well, I agree that the whole Antartica clan just sounded silly. I know that apparently Greg Weisman planned for one to exist there (Hey, even Greg has dumb ideas sometimes), but at least have them decently clothed. I know Gargoyles aren't supposed to be as effected by the cold, but still... I think in Antarctica even a Gargoyle would be chilly wearing nothing but a loincloth. Also, if anything, I've found that the writers for TGS *don't* always, "...follow the words of Greg Weisman like they were the words of God" as you put it. A lot of things they've written into the story directly contradict Greg's ideas... I think the most noteworthy being Madoc. From everything I've heard of Greg's ideas, Madoc wouldn't have even existed... it would have been more of Oberon warring with his mother or something, if I recall correctly. That example is only one of many.
 <BR
But anyway, overall something just seemed to be missing from the latest chapter of Gargoyles... I can't place my finger on it exactly, I guess it was just a plethora of little things. Overall, I just got an odd feeling from it. 
Ah, but I'm glad new chapters are finally being added. Things were getting really tedious reading the Timedancer stories while waiting for either G or P to finally be updated... which brings me back to my original question, as well as a couple more I thought of while writing:
1. How often are new chapters added to Gargoyles? 
2. When will new chapters for Pendragon be started? 
3. Is there any way to add your own images to your posts in this message board, or can you only use the ones offered? 
 
Thanks,
Gleeb
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 06:50:06 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Like Greg Bishansky, I see Merlin as Madoc's only biological offspring; he'd lose some of his uniqueness if that wasn't the case. (We originally considered making Madoc Umbriel's father, but because we wanted Merlin to be an only child, decided to change it to make him a son of Oberon's instead).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 06:08:09 PM
IP: 216.87.46.93.dialup-stl.primary.net

Gunjack: No one pays me to be tactful. Cyberware?

Glad my Maeve/Madoc ideas and robot violence link brought out everyone's sense of humor. This room is so much more pleasant when we're not having a flame war.

Greg: Actually, I didn't consider that Maeve might prefer the company of women, probably because I wasn't in full control of my mental faculties at that point.

Todd: I wasn't talking about romance. I just said they were doing it. I'm sure he was really interested in Titania, but come on! Ten THOUSAND years without getting any fey tail?! Wouldn't that be like a human trying to fulfil their sexual urges with animals?

Kit: <<why is Cervus on the list?>>: Don't ask me...I'd be worried about those horns if I were her... anyway, I don't think I'll be giving out arsenals to people once I take power. That would be asking someone else to overthrow me. And you are so right about people staying good friends for that long without gettin' busy. To quote Chris Rock "That's just plain gullibility!"
(Dogma).

Spike: kinky. That's all I have to say about that.

Lain: your logic is flawed. Everything may be alright on a grand scale because it could be no better, COSMICALLY speaking, but that says nothing of personal states of affairs. Just because the universe is in the best possible state makes me more depressed. It means things aren't going to get any better! Sorry to poke holes...I just like to play devil's advocate.

DPH: School testing? I hadn't given much thought to that. The problem is that I don't have an impartial view when it comes to this stuff. I'm a white, rich jewish kid from LA who went to a private high school. I worked my @$$ off in school, paid for SAT prep, and kicked the test's butt. I was in the orchestra, taught some special studies classes, all that extra-curricular stuff. In my opinion, I am rightfully entitled to my spot in college. If the government wanted to say that I can't have it and they're gonna give it to someone JUST because their race is underreprsented, someone who's grades were worse than mine, then my response would have been...violent. I believe that standardized tests should cover a broader range of topics, but I don't feel that the various ethnic material should be changed on the tests. Changing the tests so that it was easier for inner-city poor kids would not be fair to others. I will investigate more equal ways to test students, but I make no guarantees that there will be changes.

Triglycerine: whoa dude, that was harsh. Lets try to keep our comments civil, please. Remember, the TGS staff writes for their fans (I think). If you don't like it, be more specific. The last thing we need in here is a flame war between the authors and the readers. We'd all get banned! In case you didn't notice, the POINT of TGS was to continue Greg's "master plan" for the gargoyles series. DUH!

I'd like to say that everything is okay between me and that f*cking little slut.
-Eminem, about Christina Aguilera

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 05:35:16 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-210.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Triglycerine> Welcome to the TGS Comment Room, and thank you for your well thought out input. I hope you enjoy your stay.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 05:11:14 PM
IP: dialin-31-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

TGS sucks!! What idiots wrote this crap?

This new episode proves that you fools follow the words of Greg Weisman like they were the words of God! You were stupid enough to put a clan in Antarctica and in space!! Obviously you guys missed one of the main themes of Gargoyles!

Triglycerine - [tankertron@hotmail.co,]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 04:58:22 PM
IP: wyll-129.uwp.edu

A quick addition after I scanned the room.

DPH> Well now that I'm ice free I can see you said that not Gside. Good thing I was able to break the habit of chewing ice cubes. ;P

Well work slacked off again cause now I'm waiting to hear back from different people. Anyway I'll be lurking for the time being.
Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 03:46:29 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Taleweaver> I don't think Madoc had any other children besides Merlin. For one thing Merlin has to be special, and if he did have other children, he would have had his champion against Oberon. Madoc was in fact emotionally wounded by Merlin's "betrayal" and probably did not want to go through that again.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 03:41:23 PM
IP: dialin-52-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Might as well take advantage of work being slow at the moment.
My newly acquired internet access has been fairly good so far. Unfortunately for a while last night it seemed to be on a coffee break. In other news it seems I�ll be sending money to the IRS. Apparently my former place of employment did not withhold enough taxes even though I claimed 0. Looking at my new job I see the withholding percentage is right on the money so next year I should receive a few bucks. Overall things are good. But you all know I�m usually happy right? ^_^

Stefa> Welcome Stefa! Enjoy the TGS, you can get experience the characters in Gargoyles you know and love in new stories by TGS staff that does their best to continue Greg Weisman�s �Gargoyles� vision.

Jannie> <If you're depressed, can you listen to a sad song and not become sadder> I believe that depends on the listener and the music. There is the saying that misery loves company. Of course my personality is an anomaly wrapped in an enigma and lean heavily to feeling happy or fine. (Part of me just really wanted to type that.) It really doesn�t take much to put me in a good mood or just think about it and say you know what I�m okay. I can listen to something depressing and actually feel better. Thinking �Hey it�s not just me. Other people have problems, difficulties and bad times.� I actually find these emotional effects can enrich my life and potentially give me an opportunity to safely experience different feelings. Ah the joy of imagination and empathy. ;)

Gside> <ice> Mmm ice. **glazed over look** A drug you say? Better stop putting the stuff in my drinks! ;P <all out of elf> I wonder if Mecord or Archwolf will respond to that.

Congratulations to Spike and Stephen R. Sobotka! I�m happy to hear the good news.

Cat> <engaged> Cheers and congrats to you and Mecord. Enjoy yourselves! :)

Kit> Glad to know the house is back on track and your friends and family are feeling much better.

Lain> I�m happy to hear that you had a good morning. You know you never did tell me what that word means... :D

Okay I suddenly have work again. This ends my respite for the day. Until next time.

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 03:29:11 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Taleweaver> I agree with you, but from their time and their culture, sex does not neccesarily equal anything romantic. As I said, read the myths about ancient Gods and pre-Christ history.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 03:28:09 PM
IP: dialin-52-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Madoc and Maeve> This is just my opinon, but I could see them trying to be romantic early on in their exile, but it didn't work and they fell into a partners relationship. Sorry but Madoc's never loved anyone more than himself and Maeve is of a similar bent. That type of personality needs to be the center of attention and the focus of adoration. "I want...", "I need...", "I deserve..." typical meglomania, but not good for long term relationships.

I'd find it hard to believe that out of ten thousand years of exile, Maddox only bed two women. I might believe if of Madoc. But Maddox was much more circumspect when he was powerless. I could see him having a number of offspring with varying temperment from Merlin, someone who'd want nothing to do with hm to someone who'd follow in Madoc's footsteps. Sort of like Ra's Al Ghul. Talia maybe the devoted daughter, but not the only child he sired.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 02:54:46 PM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

**DPH measures his stick for do-not-touch-items.**

**THINKING AHEAD**
Well, to a certain point opening stores more than 8 hours a day is good for those working on alternate shifts. But keeping stores open 24 hours a day is NOT good. I used to beat most people at a certain game ONLY because they never thought ahead. Then again, a few people would beat me at the same game because they thought FURTHER ahead than I did.
**END THINKING AHEAD**

School shootings - Ok, metal detectors are NOT needed. Telepaths are needed to weed out the bullies. No bullies equals no persecution which leads to an elimination of certain motivations for school shootings.

Imzadi - My biggest concern is school testing. Will you do anything to find more equal ways of testing students if you become world dictator?

No time for anything else due to catching up on sleep this morning.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 02:13:41 PM
IP: max1-9.cwy.cei.net

Hey all,
Hide your daughters and cover your ears, I've got a review in me that's about to bust out.

* * * * * Spoilers/Comments: The Council Pt. 1 * * * * *

Overall, The Council Pt. 1 met my expectations. There was build up about the council for most of this season and an episode or two last season. The human issue was bound to be a major bone of contention. And these things were brought to the foreground with a deft hand.

Also in the good category are the new clans, their leaders and their attitudes. I'm hoping to see how their situations are unique from the others. we got a taste of that with the Chinese clan.

I also like that Lex is the object of desire for someone. I hope he finds out about Kristie's feelings. It might go a long way in restoring his confidence.

What kept the episode from being great were things that were missing from the story. Little details that could have widened the scope. One thing I missed was no one seemed eager to come to the Council. Goliath was nervous, Hudson supportive, but Lex and most of the newcomers didn't seem keen on being there. Like it was some nasty chore they got stuck with. This will probably change as the story progresses, but it would have made a good start.

I did have problems with the character bits surrounding Goliath and Delilah. I like Delilah's initiative, but it seems a dramatic change from the last time we saw her in a story, not just a cameo. I think that was in 'Seeds of Change'. I can believe the change from shyness and insecurity to self-confident female ready for adventure, but since we didn't see those change her new personality was abrupt, like taking a turn too fast. When she first yelled at Talon, I thought "Is this Delilah?"

The other out of character bit was Goliath. I hope he can pull the Council back together. The Mei Hsings side of the argument was nicely down. Her calm demeanor and her support by others really made that part of the story come alive. But Goliath losing his temper was a leap I couldn't make. This is the type of guy who could fillabuster like Jimmy Stewart in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". He may lose a round, but he wouldn't throw a tantrum over it. Often is the case, he'd brood about it. I hope Goliath can come up with a good response to Mei Hsing's position. Defeat her in the debate floor.

One question it raised in me was just how much does Goliath believe in human coexistance? In the time since they've been 'outed' the clan continues to conduct themselves like they are still hidding from public view. Has anyone attempted to make a public stand, speak on behalf of the clan? It is sort of 'the deeds don't follow the words'. The clan seems more interested in not having a Quarryman-like group hunt them down than real acceptance from the populace. Definately understandable, but asking other clans to risk themselves wiht exposure sounds a little unreasonable then. I hope this issue continues to be fleshed out.

Like I said, it met my expectations. I'm hoping part 2 will exceed them.
* * * * * End of Spoiler/Comments * * * * *
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 02:11:56 PM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

Gside - You know what you doing.
Traveler
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 01:13:04 PM
IP: ny-hamburg1a-283.buf.adelphia.net

goodmorning..

and yes.. it actually IS a good morning..

Kit>>aaaah so you want to play online games with me, do you now?? BWA HA HA.. that would be great cept I don't actually HAVE any so... *never really WAS into computer games* oh well..

anyway, since there's a big debate going on tonight that I am going to about GOD.. I thought I should post some stuff about that, (while keeping in mind that I am a follower of I dontknowtheanswerism..) Not something to get all tied in knots over.. just something to play with..

********A PROOF THAT EVERYTHING IS HUNKEY-DORY**********
Lets assume that GOD, as conventional religions conceive of him, actually did create the universe. GOD, of course, wanted to create the best universe HE could and HIS omnipotence means that he could do anything HE wanted. So it follows that this is the best of all possible universes. (this view has often been refered to as "cosmic Toryism" refering to the smug and complacant attitude of certain members of the British Conservative Party...). This means that you're wrong if you think anything could be any better. Does that make you feel good?? You should cheer up..
******END PROOF THAT EVERYTHING IS HUNKEY-DOREY********
-there are two errors in the
the title of this book

you know... I am beginning to sense that all this philosophy book of mine does is take everything and poke a little fun at it.. EVERYTHING... it's wonderful ;)

bwa ha..
next time I'll tackle the "all-knowing" aspect of GOD but.. I have to save some of these up for the debate :D

*exits but shall return...*
lain
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 11:16:19 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Todd> About Madoc's abstinance. I disagree that Aldan and perhaps Dahut are the only ones he's gotten busy with. During his days as a human, particularly during the Middle Ages, Renaissanse, Roman times etc, he took on the role of a man of rank and power. Marriages into power and wealth were extremely common, and often the only way to achieve that. I think it's pushing the realm of believability (is that a word?) to say that he has never done this.

As for Madoc and Maeve again, well if you read the tales of ancient Gods and fairies and other deities, they really enjoyed getting it on. Again, it's a culture thing. Madoc may desire Titania and her being a woman that he could never have may have played a large part there.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:57:14 AM
IP: bess1.lhric.org

Trench coats> Most immortals use them and of course a sword conveintly fits there ^_^
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Watcher of the immortal known as Macbeth
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:46:52 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

I'm not quite sure how much clearer I can be here when I say "stop" ... I'm trying to be nice about sympathy posts and apologies and stuff. Please, don't make me feel that's being abused by continuing to take digs at other people, demanding apologies, or posting "me-too!" references to previous arguments before the discussion was canned.

Beyond that, it sounds like the pipes in the bathroom are going to explode again ... yeah ... its Christmas ...

::grumbles off like the troll he is::
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 10:16:45 AM
IP: 141.133.147.152

On the topic of Maeve & Madoc's relationship, from "Opposites Attract." (edited version)

"Easy now," Garlon growled. "I�m not into pain like Madoc."

"Feh!" Sekhmet�s eyes glowed like fire. "Maeve lures the best of the males into her dungeon playroom by the dozens. You no doubt have enjoyed her torture before."

Garlon glowered back at her, having had to assist his master on more than one occasion, as the Unseelie lord emerged shaking and weak from Maeve�s little playroom. "Never."

....needless to say, Maeve & Madoc's behind the scenes relationship is popular gossip for both their lieutenants like Garlon and Sekhmet, as well as for independent TGS fics.... I highly recommend perusing the works of Madame Destine for further details.
Spike
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 09:23:22 AM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-22.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Part 2!!

Daniel Johnson: Oh! Your dog is so cute! :) Ok, now I'm pathetic also. <grin>

Lain: Glad Valentine and Lynati are coming to see you. I wish I had friends who'd come that far for me. <Doug reminds her how Cobra and Fauline are coming over 300 miles to see her next week> Oh, right, I do. :) But you probably need such friends way more than I do, so I give you some big congrats. :) Sorry to hear things with your father are bogged down again, sorry about the car accident too- I hope you're as okay as you seem. <grimace> Good points about how one's own problems can create obsession- I don't think it's really that selfish of you to talk about them so much though. You need to vent your stress out somehow. Maybe you oughta tone down the volume just a little, though, so no one else is overwhelmed. Coming in here with a negative attitude less often would be good too, I think you may already have acknowledged that. :) On professional help, I say seek it if you feel you should, but speaking as a psychologist-in-training I feel your problems can be solved just as easily with the sense of self-confidence gained by having more friends around you to talk with and bleed off your stress with in mutually fun activities. Lynati and Valentine should have some ideas about such activities when they come, as should your old roommate possibly. If not e-mail me and Doug, I'm sure we can think up a few fun things. (Just no online multiplayer Warcraft II, please, unless you want to really humiliate us. :) We're always there if you want to talk too. Liked your story teaser, btw. Any chance of reading the actual story sometime soon? <useless residence hall meeting> I can totally sympathize with you about that. I used to have to worry about similar deals at my residence hall before I moved in with Doug, whenever I didn't like the topic I always begged a need to study, then turned and walked off, immediately going back to sleep after reaching my room and locking the door. <grins>

Imzadi: <Girls that watch porn rock!> Glad to meet at least one guy besides Doug and Jammer who has that opinion. And yet every time I admit to having it myself to someone other than my friends, I get confused stares. <shakes head> Oh well.

Emmabu: Hope you're having a fun Spring Break, and your grades stay as high as you want them. If you work hard, good rewards should follow. :)

Beth H: I may have said or implied this before, but I really think your attitude about sex is great, you gotta be positive about something like what it is. :) You gotta be mature too though, and remember the dark side, unfortunately. <sigh> I wish you luck finding the right person to enjoy sex with someday, and that you are able to keep your attitude until you find them and beyond. :) BTW, I too have been reading and enjoying Morning Glory comics a lot recently (they attracted some weird looks at work last night when I brought them to read during my break and laughed a lot while doing so :).

Aaron: Doug and I know y'all care, we just felt like we needed to have it expressed more. Hope you can stop running behind soon. :) Again, sorry for spreading all the guilt last week!

Christine: We wouldn't accept the Coventry Hotel in Vegas anyway. Doug and I already have our honeymoon planned- San Francisco will be the place, and we'll be staying in a suite at the Fairmont Hotel. You want to pay for that suite as a gift, we'd appreciate it, but you don't have to of course. :)

Stephen: Congrats on having your work schedule set, Doug and I envy that. :( <laughs at name bit> $ On the RP, a good time to re-enter your characters may be coming up soon. Doug, me, and the other Ravens almost have the Mall of America plotline done now and next we have to do a bit with the Damned Souls in Vegas, finish them off. Once that's done, we'll be heading for Thailog's secret base to confront him. That should be good timing for whatever you want to do. Just keep watching the action, and you should see a good spot to jump in. If you wish, Doug and I will alert you to what we feel is the best one when it arrives. Hope to soon enjoy RPing with you once more! :) $

Cherry Blossom: Congrats on the high ACT score, you have reason to be proud. And welcome back!

Gside: What's Chingrish?

Pistoff: Enjoyed your latest fic a lot, I read it yesterday morning. Great development on Jack and his mates, and on that evil androgynous entity too. <shivers> I also liked what was done with Machiko, Goliath, and all the other background characters. Puck's use was also very well-done, and great job on the plot and script. I was laughing out loud at the scenes with Boiler and Sledge, clapping and cheering during many of their scenes too. :) Worrisome but very good tragic scene at the end with Avalon. Keep up the good work, I'm looking real forward to Part 2. Thanks for the info on how you manage to survive, I think I can see better now why you're always so mad- your life's very messed-up, friend. I hope it can improve someday, the house situation especially. I'll keep you in my prayers. I too enjoy living online a lot, though RL also often has its moments. :) I agree with you 101% about shooting people to bleed off stress being the dumbest thing on Earth a person can do. Why can't more of us realize that? <sighs>

Calliope: Congrats on the animation success, good luck with those big tests that are coming up. Sorry to hear about your house getting robbed, though I agree those burglars were pretty dumb. Oh well, at least they didn't take the one item that had your entire life in it like the guy who stole Doug's backpack from the apartment after breaking in here a few years back and prompted the starting of the RP. :) Hope the police catch the guys and you get some of the stuff back, I wish them luck.

Kyryn: Glad to see artwork in "The Happiest Place on Earth" too, the pics made the story a little more worth reading. Good sense of foreboding in the Goliath one and Taro was very well-drawn, hope we can get him in here someday. Thanks for putting them up, hope next week you don't get delayed.

Jannie: Congrats on finding your dream house, good luck moving into it soon. On Anna, I share your viewpoint about the games- you do want her to be careful and remember the mistakes of the past and their effects. At the same time, I know you don't want to drive her away again, and being too strict about something like this could do it. If I was in your place, I'd sit down with Anna and have a serious talk about the games- how frequent they're going to be exactly, what they entail, what the other people are like, etc. Be firm but fair and understanding with her, and remember to advise more than you command. It works better with children her age, or so I've observed from talking to my parents. :) Good luck whatever happens, I pray both you and she will make and act upon the right decisions in this matter- it is doubtless important to your lives ahead. Liked your pet pictures a lot too. :)

GXB: I too follow the Greg Weisman philosophy when it comes to art- every genre has brilliance and c&*p, you just have to learn to differentiate them. And the definitions are different for almost everyone. :) Good luck with the blizzard and I hope your young cousin is enjoying Gargs. Hope to see some better pacing of events in TGS soon, with more buildup and development before the big events. I too am glad you don't have executives breathing down your necks, but there is really no reason to rush things like you have somewhat this season IMO.

School Shooting: First, I observe a moment of silence for the victims and send my prayers to the survivors. Second, I thank the Lord above Katara's kid is okay, what with the awful prank that happened at his school. <relieved expression> Finally, I hope that the kid who did the deed gets the help he needs somehow, though I doubt it will happen. So many tragedies like this could have been avoided, IMO, if more people had just reached out and befriended the individual who committed the awful acts before they were done. Then they wouldn't need to feel angry, or put violent video games and movies in the place of friends. Yes, this goes for the kid's parents as well as their peers- they should have reached out to him more. I agree that the incident is going to have a predictable aftermath. <sighs> Will it be the last one of its kind? I hope so, but of course I can not say for sure. :(

Trench Coats: I too enjoy wearing them a lot, though I don't really get the Matrix-esque sense of power from wearing one that some people in here say they do. My red leather jacket is another story, though. <grin>

Mean Kids: I too have encountered my share and dealt with them, usually via avoidance and the occasional confrontation with venting of my exact feelings towards them. Strangely that last method has not worked very often for me though, the mean kids never listened. :( Glad other people have had different results, maybe my phrasing or timing was just wrong a lot of the time somehow. <shrugs> I am glad to say I never got to the point where I tried to kill any of those jerks, although I did beat many of them up a time or three. <grin> And I have to admit I thought about killing them many times too. But that of course is only human. :(

Juliaexia: At Kaioto's request, I'm dropping the topic of what happened to you, but I did want to tell you that you still have my condolences and are in my prayers. I'm pretty much in agreement with Coyote on the matter as a whole, and with Lain, to whom I hope Oracle will soon apologize, he owes her a big one whether he likes it or not. <growls something unintelligible> I hope things somehow work out positively for you after this mess and that you will learn a very important lesson from it too. But it's more important that you emotionally recover and dump the jerk ASAP, making him feel major guilt in the process like Coyote advised. Good luck, friend. I'm here as a friend for you if you need one. E-mail's below.

DPH: You are very right about planning ahead being a necessary skill in life. I disagree about 24-hr. businesses ruining it though, Doug and I are two people who often frequent such businesses and are glad for the convenience of them, but we still have the skill of planning ahead and are very glad to have developed it. We know many people with the same skill too. <shrugs> I guess it depends on the individual in question, like a lot of things. If you're saying that too many individuals in the world have lost this particular skill, well, unfortunately, you may be right. You do have to plan ahead. You also have to expect the unexpected, though. Doug and I deal with that a lot. :(

Lady Corax: I agree with you about men, they're not all bastards. There are many, many nice ones. Like Coyote. And Doug. <grins> They're hard to find sometimes, but always worth it when you do find them. I hope that more of the women in here can find some of them soon. :)

Katara: Again, thank goodness your son is okay, and condolences on the prank. I hope the student who did it is taught an appropriate lesson. :( I agree with you about the mystery behind all this school violence, I don't remember it being around at my school either. Fights and pranks yes, poisonings and murders no way. <grimace> You're right that all we can do is pray and hope our kids don't have to live with such events. :( Glad you enjoyed Austin Powers last night. I would have too, but I had to work. :(

Cat: Thanks for the Mecord news, hope to see him and you back in here soon. Good luck with the midterms. Also, congratulations!! :)

Madoc & Maeve: I agree with Imzadi, maybe they weren't really a couple, but they had to be sexually involved somehow. Two people like them don't stay good friends for over ten thousand years and not get busy at least once. <grin> Spike's already written a story showcasing what might be going on between them, I think. :) Good point from GXB about orgies in their times.

And I have reached the top of the CR, at long last. Now I must rush off to class tired but ready. At least I don't have any midterms till after spring break next week. <grins widely> I'll be back soon. Later everyone!!! <waves and rushes out>

**BACK TO RP NOW**

Jet-packing towards Hope Island, Duke Nukem and Kiff suddenly stop, seeing a large human figure in a torn red jumpsuit with a wild black Wolverine-esque hairdo and diseased blue skin heading towards them. "Ah, I am Captain Pollution!" the figure snarls. "Prepare to be toxified!" "Why am I not scared?" Duke snorts, firing his freeze ray. Captain Pollution laughs as the bolts hit, then gasps as he is suddenly frozen in midair, the pure liquid nitrogen harming him deeply. Duke lets him fall into the untainted waters surrounding Hope Island and keeps him down with chaingun fire until the mad eco-terror vibrates wildly and then implodes from all the pain he is in. "Well, that was easy," Kiff says to Duke as the smoke that remains of Captain Pollution fades away. "How did you know what to do?" "I once dated a babe who watched the show these losers were on," Duke replies, chuckling. "She was pretty obsessed." "I should have guessed," the alien grimaces. "Come on," Duke tells him. "There's lots more waiting." Kiff sighs and they fly on. Inside the Crystal Chamber, Asil chuckles as she watches the Planeteers continue to panic over the events outside. "Arm all our automated defenses, Mal!" Dr. Blight is ordering her computer. "As soon as he lands, he will be dead!" "Already prepared, my dear," the computer solemnly replies. Blight grins. "I knew I could count on you!" "Is it just me or is that woman seriously disturbed?" Nipon asks Asil as they look on. "Only as much as my old friend Hannah," Asil answers, then touches her communicator wristband. "Now's our chance, Guod," she tells her partner. "Launch a full assault on their firewall and get this cage opened." "On it," Guod answers, and for a moment his face disappears, replaced by several lines of code. Seconds later, Mal gasps suddenly, then the Hope Island computers all suddenly go down and explode in a spray of sparks. "Mal!!" Dr. Blight screams. "No!!" "He's been erased," Guod declares loudly, his face reappearing as the cage bars are retracted into the ceiling, "by my viruses." The Planeteers gasp and all spin to cover Asil with their rings. She gives them an "Oh, please" look and then draws a small gun she was hiding from her pants and points it back at them. "You're all going to die now," she snaps. "Especially you, Romeo," she adds to the smug-looking Wheeler, who laughs. Nipon meanwhile takes advantage of the distraction to run towards where their weapons lie in a pile on the floor, but is intercepted by Blight, who screams "For Mal!" as she tackles the Admiral. "I didn't kill him!" Nipon protests, but Blight does not appear to care as she punches and scratches at him. "My God, what happened to your face?" Nipon asks, seeing the diseased half of her body. A snarl is his only answer. "Just kill her!" Asil yells at Nipon, scattering the Planeteers with a volley of shots and running for the more powerful weapons. Nipon grimaces, then sighs and easily gets Blight into a Vulcan neck-crunch and does as Asil said. On the floor, Pinky looks around for someone to fight himself, his fists up and ready. Brain grabs his nose and says, "Come, maybe there's something we can use here." "For what, Brain?" Pinky inquires. "Poit!" Brain grimaces. "For taking over the world!" Then he drags Pinky away, leaving Asil and Nipon behind.

The display changes to the Mall of America's parking lot, where the Goroistro has just crushed another group of soldiers and is stomping on their remains with a bellowing laugh. "Okay, this stops right now!" Jammer yells from the Onslaught, waving at his fellow Ravens. Several missiles immediately streak out of the giant robot's launchers, slamming into the Goroistro's sides. Cannon blasts soon follow, and from the ground Boris and Shauna launch an explosive arrow and a bazooka shell. The Goroistro gasps and nearly falls over with the combined concussions, then suddenly looks up and turns around, its eyes having gone solid red. "Did we just piss it into berserk rage?" Jammer grimaces as it lets out a bellow louder than any before, one with a depraved edge to it. "I'm afraid so," Orion frowns. "Well, on the plus side," Jammer grins, "your girl's a natural with the cannons." Tanith shoots him a glare that he ignores. "On the minus, we better get that thing frozen fast!" he yells, bringing up the Onslaught's sword and shield to meet the Goroistro's immense claws. On the ground below, Doug and Kit are gasping as they see the fury with which it is now attacking. "We gotta do something," Shap says to them. "Something besides pray." "I might be able to tie up its legs," Kit speculates, grabbing a rope and getting on her bike. "But that might not really last long." "Don't bother," Doug shakes his head at her, grimacing as he fires a plasma blast into the Goroistro and it doesn't even notice. "What else can we do?" "Orion said freezing it was the way to go," Elena says. "This snow's not really doing the job though." "Maybe we oughta speed it up?" Shauna asks. Elena nods and then sits down and lets herself go into a trance, seeking communion with the weather. Quickly it begins to snow harder than before, but still not enough to freeze the Goroistro. "Now I'm freezing," Doug mumbles, and Kit leans on him for mutual warmth. "Don't you have spells to help her, old man?" Shauna meanwhile nags Lathrop over the radio. "I do," Lathrop nods, starting to wave his hands and create ice and sleet storms over the Goroistro outside. Jammer growls as he continues trading blows with it, the giant demon's claws having already scored several deep rents in the Onslaught's sides. "God help us, why isn't this thing freezing?" Orion asks as he prepares to launch more missiles, then thinks better of it, recalling the explosions will produce heat. "Goddess," Tanith whispers from where she sits beside him, then sinks into a trance of her own as the fight goes on. Soon the snow becomes too heavy to see through, and the view is obscured. Another loud bellow echoes through it, then there is a sharp crack and the noise of what sounds like a mountain being smashed into a thousand pieces. As the snow continues to fall heavily, the screen goes blank.

**WE ALL CAN GUESS WHAT HAPPENED, RIGHT? :) END RP**
Kit
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 09:18:10 AM
IP: pool-63.52.127.196.dlls.grid.net

**RP WARNINGS**

The screen comes on displaying the Empowered Womyn Scouts panting heavily as they run through an obstacle course similar to the one used to test police officers. Watching them, Geraldine Laybourne's expression is quite displeased. Jenny Jones has tripped over a two foot barrier she was trying to jump and is now on the ground moaning. Ricki Lake is trying to break down a door, and getting knocked back every time. Oprah Winfrey is trying unsuccessfully to climb a six-foot wall, unable to even pull her enormous weight an inch off the ground, while Rosie O'Donnell is cursing as she finds herself unable to fit through a window. "No, no, no!" du Sade is yelling at Janet Jackson. "You ran through the poles the wrong way! Do it again until you get it right!" Grumbling, Janet moves to comply. Laybourne turns away, looking at where Dr. Laura is struggling to drag a very heavy dummy across a line. Jenny McCarthy is behind her looking at a lineup as she hyperventilates. "Number One! No, wait- number four! No, three! It's gotta be three! No, hold on�" Shaking her head, du Sade walks up to Laybourne. "They are even more pathetic than I thought they were," she growls. "What caused you to pick these womyn, Geraldine? There are many better candidates for the EWS. There's a martial arts expert in Austin who can put down most men in a minute or less, and I know some Olympic gymnasts who�" "I considered all of them and a lot of others," Laybourne cuts her off with a grimace. "None of them have the political loyalties we need- I need loyal Scouts more than initially efficient ones. You are supposed to make these seven efficient. Can you not do it?" du Sade grimaces, then sighs and looks away. "It will take a lot of time." "Time you shall have," Laybourne replies. "Just use it." Turning away, she growls an oath and walks into her office. "We have the will to overthrow the established order and take control of the world!" she rants at the walls after slamming the door behind her. "Why do the womyn I have chosen continue to fail in even preparing for the task?!" "Perhaps you need to find people more fit for ruling the world, Geraldine," a sly voice chuckles. "There's no question you are fit, but are they?" Laybourne frowns, then turns around, seeing Donna Gardner displayed on the office viewscreen. "Your secretary went ahead and put me on," the psychotic professor explains. "I've been waiting. I hope you don't mind." "Not at all, Donna," Laybourne grimaces. "What do you want?" "I've sent you an e-mail," Gardner answers. "Read it and get back to me." She smiles and the viewscreen goes blank. Scratching her head, Laybourne sits down at her computer. "That should get her attention," Stephen Franks says to Gardner back in Thailog's secret base as she looks away from her own screen. "It had better," his mistress nods. "Soon we're going to need her resources- temporarily, of course." "Want me to go tell Thailog we contacted one of Turner's allies?" Franks asks next. Gardner shakes her head. "Don't bother. Soon his usefulness will be over." She chuckles, and after frowning for a moment, Franks begins to laugh along.

The display changes to the fields outside Abdullah's mansion, where Erin and her family are watching an ambulance crewed by men in white coats speed away. "I wonder what the charity we're giving it to will do this with this property," Hassan says to Sarita, who smiles. "Perhaps they will build a shelter for abused women. This part of the world needs more of those." Hassan nods in agreement. "A good idea." "Thank you for all your help," Fasil is saying to General Earle nearby. "We might not have been able to succeed without you." "I bet you could have," Earle grins, clapping him on the shoulder. "You've got a very strong family, you know." "But we were glad to help out just the same," Andrea says. "Unfortunately we can't stay long." Earle nods. "There's another war brewing in Africa. We gotta stop this one before it happens, it involves bio-weapons." "Good luck," Gubio tells them, then looks over to where Ivan stands near the Apache. "You still want to die?" "Don't I have to sooner or later?" the irradiated Russian chuckles, turning away. "Thanks for the help," Gubio turns to Hack and says. "See you later." "Right," the other hacker replies. "Someday we gotta do the biz together again." The two men grin and shake hands. At the helicopter, Michael and Aussie are embracing, pledging to see each other again after the next war is stopped. Queen Noor and Abdullah II are shaking hands with Fasil close to them, thanking each other for their aid and smiling proudly towards Erin, Hassan, and the other Desert Knights standing nearby. Many sad looks are also directed towards the great number of body bags being loaded into a truck. Meanwhile, Erin grimaces as she looks over the heavily wounded Lloky. "She'll be alright," Terrell is assuring her. "We're taking her back to the Underground City, she'll have the best healers looking after her there." "They know how to treat dragons?" asks Bessus. "Of this world, yes," Terrell answers grimly. "Of her world?" He shrugs. "I hope they are not too different." Erin nods and runs her fingers over Lloky's cheek. The young dragon opens her eyes and smiles. "Did we win?" she asks. "Yes," Erin replies, and Lloky smiles, then falls asleep once more. Erin nods at Bessus and Terrell, then walks over to Gubio. "Well, we're done here," she says. He nods. "I think Doug probably wants his memories back, don't you?" She smiles. "Let's go home and call the airlines." Gubio nods, then takes her hand and starts walking towards a nearby Land Rover as the screen goes blank.

**END FIRST PART OF RP**

Hi everyone. Now I have time to make the big post. <grins> First, the news from the life front for Doug and me. The exposed wire problem at the house was fixed yesterday, our utilities are almost done too. Water and electric anyway. I'm not as sure about the septic tank. At the store, our sales are slipping, but that usually happens this time of year since spring break is next week. Once it's over we'll get the students back and things should pick up again. :) At Doug's job, another bad officer, hopefully the last one, got fired- Doug had to fill in for him last night- and they're getting a new hire tonight who looks like he might be good- we'll see. All our friends who got hurt in last week's fight have had their teeth replaced with enamel crowns- they're all completely okay now except for the bandages still waiting to be taken off. Thanks to all for the continued prayers. Jammer and Tricia set a date- July of next year. Makes Doug and me feel pretty ashamed about still not setting one ourselves. :( On to replies now.

DumlaoX: <Justin Bailey> Ah, an Unmasked Akira (Rival Schools) code. Nice. Never did hear about it before now unfortunately, and I don't own a Metroid game anymore so I have to wait before trying it out. :(

Imzadi: <still ROFL about giant robots> Thanks for the clarification on the kind of utopia you plan to make this world into. It sounds a lot like the same stuff a lot of politicians these days say though. :( So I'll be wanting to see results before I decide whether or not to support the policies. Yeah, I know, you have to take over first. :) BTW, could everyone with some governmental power in your world get a personal arsenal? The one you described sounds like something I'd want to get my hands on. Traffic's easier to avoid when you're on a motorbike, but it's still one hell of a big bother. :( <Buffy/Angel spoilers> Go to www.angelicslayer.com for complete summaries of the episodes if no one's sent you summaries yet. I agree with you about tattoos- one doesn't need them, but they aren't a sign of bad judgement. The one I have I got as a reminder of some great times with some wonderful people on the open roads and in the small towns of the American West. If it's not good judgement to have such a thing, I'm not sure I know what is. :) No Mac for me either, I like all my old PC games too much just as Warpmind does. If you somehow made them compatible, though� :)

Jaden: I always feel lucky surviving riding my bike without sleep too. <grins> And Doug feels the same way after driving without sleep every time too, I'm sure. :) I can't blame you any more than Ray for wanting to get out of that 24-hour shift duty. Best of luck surviving the next two years of Army service, let us know if you need any psychological help from your Internet friends.

Valentine: Congrats on your happy seven hours. It's been a long time since I've had happiness for that many hours in a row. The last time was two years ago, I think, when Doug and I went on a little vacation together. Hope we can do that again soon. <grins> Very good points about guns, and especially about the Second Amendment.

Jannie: I too plan to raise my kids different from how my parents raised me. But not that different, they did a pretty good job. :) Good advice to SJ on future generations, I agree that he shouldn't let a bad parent sour him to having kids of his own. But they probably should be kids who never meet their paternal grandfather if half of what SJ has implied is true. :( Thanks for the encouragement to me and Doug, especially on the house.

Mandi: I appreciate the prayers, and the rundown on what happened to Traci. I hope she'll be fine soon, the misunderstanding is suprising but still quite a relief. I'm over the anger about it now. :) Good reason for not wanting a tattoo. <Wit> You enjoyed that play too, huh? I saw it my senior year in high school, and was equally moved. :)

Niamhgold: Congrats on the free time, hope you get more soon. Good luck with all your life's hassles. <violence> 201 murders already? No offense, but I'm kinda glad I don't live where you are. The Mardi Gras violence here was bad, especially since it hit close to home for us, but in other places it was a heck of a lot worse. It upsets me too. :(

Warpmind: Ah yes, love can be very distracting. And it is the good kind of distraction, I agree. :) Glad you and Lynati are able to share it. Thanks to you and to Jannie for the belated sympathy on Doug's situation- he felt really bad about it, that was the only reason I poured on the guilt. Apologies all around.

DPH: You should never have to put up with such a comment IMO. :( Glad to hear your work is going well, even if you are suffering from office politics. I've found they're often a necessary evil, but still I don't like them much at all. Thankfully they're pretty minimal at my current job. Hope you can soon learn to avoid them yourself. Congrats on your first paycheck, that's always a memorable event with any job. :)

Dreamie, Christine: Congrats on surviving the big quake, I was worried. Good luck to your city in recovering and rebuilding all the damage soon. Christine, I envy you for being able to go back to sleep right after something like this occurring. :)

SJ; You made some very good comments about guns too, I thought. Especially about them preventing more crimes than they cause, that is very true. Good point about American culture too, I can't say I like the place guns have in our history, but I have to respect it just the same. :( I'm in complete agreement with you about Fat Albert, that was an okay cartoon but it's not good movie material. Oh well, as long as Cosby doesn't stick himself in the title role� <mumbles something agreeably nasty about the too-high salary of Harrison Ford>

Christine: Interesting realization about your father, I say it's proof that life imitating art works both ways. :) Congrats on finishing up the Archamge revision, good luck getting the whole book done soon. Good luck with Silversilk too, I hope the publisher likes it. Enjoyed Avalon Mists this quarter, although I think there were more stories than you implied. They were all pretty good, the pics were great also. Really laughed hard at Michael's cartoons once again, wish we could see them more often throughout the year. :( Keep up the great work.

Gside: <condolenced out> I seem to remember a time when I didn't think that was a possible state for this room to be in. <shrugs> Oh well. Apologies about all the guilt trips Doug and I laid, we'll try not to do that again. :)

Thanks to all who said Happy Birthday to Doug!

Taleweaver: Funny, I happen to really like elevator music. <scratches head> Glad you didn't ever go through with that right-handed lemmings plan. Doug and I would both have died in it, doubtless many other good friends of yours would have too. Aren't you glad that didn't happen? <grins>

Kirshanta: Good point about Beth in TGS, I'd like to see her again too. I think that unfortunately they seem to be ignoring a lot of potential great TGS stories this season for whatever reason. :( More on that in the episode review below.

Beth H: Condolences on not getting the babysitting job, hope you can find a job of some kind in another place. Good luck with all the homework hassles, though they're probably over by now. I thought your dad was terrible at math.

Daphne: <He's great, but he's 15> Hey, some women like younger men, it's no crime. <shrugs> My mother is seven months older than my father. Whoever you ask, I hope he says yes and that you both have a very good time at the dance. Condolences on Steve- I too find it funny sometimes getting condolences about people you haven't even met. <laughs>

Kathy: Damn, so many cool guests at the Gathering. And Doug and I won't be able to attend cause of finances. <sigh> Everyone who is going, be sure to have a good time for us, okay. We'll miss getting to meet you all. :(

Winterwolf: Congrats on getting home access, and thanks for all the encouragement to me and Doug about the house and his job. I agree with you about violence and killing, we'd probably have a lot less of it in the world if more people had safe ways to vent stress and anger and more people to talk to as friends. Unfortunately, the way the world is�<sighs> More on this topic in Part 2.

Lain: Glad you and your roommate (Anonymous) were able to make up. I have to admit her posts worried me a lot too, before you revealed the true personality and motive behind them. It sounds like you really have a true friend there, I hope you know what that means. :) Hope you two can be good friends again now, despite the living arrangements. I agree that it's amazing how many coincidences you two have had in common so far in life. I regret to say I don't have too many friends with that many shared coincidences myself. Though Doug and I were born in the same city and even the same hospital. :) <Idon'tknowtheanswerism> I too subscribe to that philosophy. :)

SOROW: Congrats on the Best Smile award, I was runner-up for that myself (how Cassandra Roland, the girl who beat me, won with braces I do not know). Best of luck getting things patched up with Joe by prom time, I hope you two can still be friends as you feel you are. If it's meant to be, it will happen. :)

Coyote: Congrats on recovering your hot water. That's quite a relief. :) <Fanart Fighting Club> You won my vote. :)

**BEGIN SPOILERS, FOR MOVIES AND TGS**
Two good movies to check out this week- The Mexican and Panic. The acting is excellent in both, though the latter has a much better script. The Mexican scores with great comedy, good romance (though not between the two leads, I have to note), some memorable characters, a decent plot with only a couple of holes it really wasn't necessary to fill, and a few great lines and scenes. I liked its symbols and repeating showcase of certain objects- the dog, the traffic light, the truck, etc. especially. Panic was good for its excellent writing and character development, fantastic ending too. The great acting from William H. Macy, Donald Sutherland, and Neve Campbell combined with this to make a truly memorable and emotionally meaningful film. To Doug even more than me. Yeah, there were a few plot holes in the movie, but they were not noticeable till it was over. Go see either one of these films, you'll be in for a treat. :) Just saw a preview for Josie and the Pussycats on TV, it looks like it could be good too. It more easily could be very bad too unfortunately. But at least Rachael Leigh Cook having red hair will give Doug something to drool over. <laughs> He better not try to make this into any fantasies involving me, though�at least not without talking to me about it first. :)

Good episode of X-Men this week, Juggernaut was a very well-written villain and there were some good dialogue and development from the main characters, Scott and Lance especially. I regret we didn't have more buildup to the two teams working together, but we did get a good relationship between them, enough to feel regret at Jean's speech at the end anyway. <sigh> Nice developments on Logan, the Professor, and Mystique too. Simpsons was hilarious again this week, very good use of Duffman and the Isotopes. I don't understand why they had to make Albuquerque a scary place though, I've been there and there's nothing weird or scary about it. Far from it in fact. <shrugs> I agree with SJ about Lone Gunmen, the show could have been great but it had to be chock full of predictable character development and plot (with many gaping holes) and many cliched dumb jokes. Frohike and the hot hacker chick were the only high points IMO. Hopefully we'll get better next week, though I doubt it. :(

TGS this week was IMO not so good. I liked the illustrations (nice to see what all those new characters looked like), belated though they were, but the writing did not really measure up this time around. The new characters were all interesting, but I wish we had seen them before now- then they could have been more so. As things are, I like the Chinese gargs for their stoic reluctance, the Persians for their mystery and intrigue (like many I'm wondering what Darius is up to), and the Antarcticans for their naivete. I wish we had seen them before though, got more buildup to their interaction- there's so much about them that has me curious. How they got their names (nice touch to see the Manhattan clan so used to names by the way, but I'm surprised it was similar for the other clans, especially the isolated ones), their origins and how they've lived through their country's histories (nice touch with the Cultural Revolution and the Chinese clan, but the Antarctic and Persian clans need equal touches. The Persians especially- Gargoyles and the Islamic Revolution of 1979 with Khomeini would make for a very interesting tale), how big the clans are, other things. Hopefully we'll see these stories someday. I liked the diplomacy atmosphere in this story, but it could have used more drama. :( The clans were all introduced and showcased well, but needed more buildup. Liked the development on Goliath (though like Taleweaver I don't appreciate his flatness, that needs to change bigtime) and Xanatos, though, and good use of Vinnie and Coyote. Lex had some good scenes as well, I've been in Kirstie's place with a guy many times and enjoyed it every one. <grin> Nice seeing it in TGS. I can't help but worry that all her suitors are gonna come to blows over her someday though. <laughs> BTW, why is Cervus on the list? I thought he was with Tori. Maybe I'm mixed up. Liked the scenes with Kylie a lot too, her getting everybody's attention and making friends with Hudson were especially nice scenes. Liked Delilah and Icarus too, she had good development (though some things did seem a little out-of-character, hopefully those will get explained next week), and they made a potentially interesting couple. I wish we'd had more buildup to them though- again, there was that sense of much time passing between this story and the last one, and possibly some great stories being missed as a result. I can understand the constraints of time, RL, and so on, but still, we can wait for the milestone stories like this one should be if they're worth it. The events between the stories need to be filled in, too, so we get full build-up to the events and the drama increases. <shrugs> Maybe the staff should do a fill-in-the-gaps spinoff someday. That could be interesting. :) For now, I'll say the story was pretty good as done, the writing was decent with some nice comic moments, and the pictures were great. I liked the plot also, though I wish there'd been more buildup and drama (for the hundredth time :). Yeah, I know this is just the first episode, but even the first Avalon, Awakenings, Hunter's Moon, Rising, and Darkest Hour eps had better buildup and drama than this one did- thus it was missed here. Demona's presence at the end made for a little, but not much. :( I have to say I'm looking forward to what she has planned, though, hope we get at least some hints next week. I also can't help but worry that Thailog is gonna show up and try something at the Council. <grins> I agree with Ed that we need a roller-coaster event sooner or later this season too, along the lines of what Xanatos, Demona, or Maddox has done previously. Maybe this episode will turn out to be it, who knows? I'm willing to wait and see. The events so far do show promise, but that's not the same as the actual event. :( Hope we see it soon.
**END SPOILERS, PART 1**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 09:17:38 AM
IP: pool-63.52.127.196.dlls.grid.net

My own take on Madoc was that he had no "romantic/sexual" interest in Maeve and that she was just his partner; the female whom he was really interested in was Titania, and I saw him as lusting after her much the same way that Coldsteel/Iago was lusting after Coldfire/Desdemona. That aside, he did seduce Merlin's mother, but purely to ensure a son; he also seduced Princess Dahut of Ys (cf. "The Drowned City") but again, purely for his own goals and without any real interest in her (even on the level of lust). (I don't, incidentally, know just how far things went between him and Dahut; since the story didn't involve them having any offspring, and since he wasn't seducing her for that purpose, it probably didn't go as far as it did with Merlin's mother).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 08:38:31 AM
IP: 216.87.46.51.dialup-stl.primary.net

Imzadi> Well, I can honestly say that Madoc does not prefer the company of men... still that was pretty funny. But what if Maeve in fact prefers the company of women?

Seriously, we wrote the two of them as friends and partners, nothing more, nothing less. But if you consider the culture and times they came from when orgies were normal in parties and get togethers, I doubt sex was equated with romance.

Back to Madoc and Maeve... NO COMMENT. Fill in the blanks yourself. That's my answer for this. I'm sure other Staff members will have different answers.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 07:33:59 AM
IP: dialin-656-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Imzy - The soul of tact, as always. I'm hoping to get the Neo Kali shipment posted tomorrow, BTW. What are your feelings on cyberware? 8 )

Peace out, M'brothers!
Gunjack "In Nomine" Valentine
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 03:25:20 AM
IP: 216-146-183-154.bwn.net

umm.. Imzy, I'm not a fan of wanting guys that choose to date me to try anf get me into bed.. i've got a hell of a lot more self respect than that... but heck.. you want it.. move to the east coast.
Aingeal
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 02:58:32 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Okay I just got back from the most awesome punk/ska concert. Less Than Jake was the main act, and the openers were Teen Idol, New Found Glory, and Anti-Flag. Anti-Flag SUCKED. A lot! But Teen Idol was cool. New Found Glory was alright, if kinda pop-ish. Less Than Jake rocked as usual. Tonight was my first time in the pit (i'm 5'8" and 115 lbs, so you can imagine why I'm afraid to go in, considering I listen to hard industrial in general). I had a blast, sweated like a pig and almost passed out. I got kicked in the head three times by crowd surfers. I can't wait to do it again! And the best part about punk concerts: PUNK CHICKS ARE CUTE! That was my moment of pig-ness for the night, which may not be appropriate considering the banned discussion topic. Oh well, too bad. Punk chicks are cute, and there are no cute chicks at UC Berkeley, so I'll be hanging out at a lot more punk concerts.

Greg: <<Madoc and Maeve were not a couple>>: Bullsh*t. They were SOOOOO doing it, and you know it. 8-) Just because it wasn't written doesn't mean it isn't true. It was the first thing that came to my mind when the characters were seen together. Come on, she's got Titania's body, for pete's sake! If Madoc didn't sleep with her, then he must either have no sex drive or prefer men.

Fire Storm: DAMN right it was funny!

Coyote: <<make me embarrassed to be in possession of a Y chromosome>>: You are being too hard on yourself. The only reason you're embarassed is because its followed by a wave of man-bashing. I just get embarassed to be HUMAN. How stupid are we that we could blame an entire group of people for the actions of one?

Aingeal: I'm sick of being hit on by random people too, but only because they happen to be members of the same gender. If girls hit on me left and right, I wouldn't complain. And I don't think you should either. I know a lot of girls that would give their eye teeth to be in your position.

If you don't get it right the first time, reload.
-2cooltech.com

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 02:47:24 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-209.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

::is tempted to tie up Cat and see if Mec somes back to look for her::

Hiys sis... nice to see you live. and Engaged is good.

Have fun.
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades, Cold, Alone
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 02:39:58 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Hey kiddies. Sorry for the long time disappearance. Life is this pesky thing that keeps us from saying hello. I'm dropping in at the request of Mecord Lein, the mischevious Elf, who between schoolwork and *guilty look* spending time with me, hasn't had much of a chance to say hi.

Mec sends his regards. Word was sent that he was needed? By who, what for, and how can we be of service? I say "we" because Mecord got engaged officially on Saturday. BWAHA. *happily sheepish look*

Next week is our spring break and so you should be hearing from him. Until then, leave him messages and i'll carry them his direction.

I'm rambling. it's because i'm tired, honest. *yawns* midterms this week and my roomate is playing obnoxious music. *whine* make it stop.

Cat - [kjerstin@cc.usu.edu]
Logan, UT, USA
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 02:29:00 AM
IP: kjerstin.dorms.usu.edu

Well, I'll start catching up here, but I'll be needing rest for tomorrow. And I am rather glad I don't have too many linguistics classes left. I don't think anyone will be able to make an engineering essay exam.

Traveler> <<For great honor>>: Justice.

Robby> <<Later, he got squid tentacles when only sort of splashed with cursed water>>: Ah, I was not aware of the different nature of the squid cursing.

Fire Storm> <<what would happen if someone submerged him in a HOT spring of drowned girl?>>: I'd guess he just wouldn't know he was cursed until he found some cool water.

Conspiracy Theorist> <<Want to make your computer go really fast? Throw it out a window>>: Defenestration. I'd agree, GUIs do take up a good amount of resources compared to command lines.

Cal�ope> Good luck finding and dealing with these intruders.
<<and our female model will probaby get fired>>: You could always volunteer.

Warpmind> <<as a tutoring tool for shy nerds, though>>: But you'd think the porn would be able to highlight the important areas.
<<My computer eats natural laws for breakfast>>: The goal of any true geek.
<<there's lactose-free ANY dairy product on the market, I believe>>: Plus lactose digesting enzymes. Or at least I think that's what the pills do.
<>: At least it's easy to find bulk jams and whipped cream.

Aingeal> <<I'm sick of being hit on by random people>>: Trade ya your problems? Actually, I don't think I'd want your exact problem, must make sure the proper gender is represented.

Lain> <<being naked and cold isn't so much fun>>: That's only because you haven't done it right.

Winterwolf> <<picks up a huge sandwich for Gside on a table in the CR and marks it with a sign reading Gside>>: Mmmmmm. Corned beef. Rye. Mustard. So good. Isn't it great when bread is there only to slightly diminish how dirty you get your hands.
<<Remember to feed the CR wolves!>>: But I think we're all out of elf.

Lain> <<that's nice now did you get those income tax forms yet, have you checked your grades lately hey>>: Taxes are important and grades can be approximated in the mind to adequate accuracy in the middle of a semester. Though that sounds like the opposide of my conversations, I get to the point while my mother thinks to herself through me (and my father shouts occasionally from two rooms over). good luck dealing with your problems.

Welcome Stefa.

Daniel Johnson> <<I've toyed with the idea of making a TGS CD for the Gathering>>: If I ever make it, I just might collect my mp3s on a CD. Perhaps with a couple bonus tracks.

Need rest. Linguistics essay exam that was delayed from Monday. First a request from Gunjack. The Promise from The Piano by Michael Nyman.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 01:34:05 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

How are you gentlemen!
Name link click on!
All your CR are belong to us!
You have no chance to survive make your time!
Later every real post! For great justice!
Wilek
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 01:00:40 AM
IP: proxy2.spaceproxy.com

*FS glares at DC*
Be glad I just ate

*this post edited for content*

Thanks to "network problems", I am without DSL.
I am glad I didn't take the modem out of this machine yet.

Aaron: <That case is indeed sweet>
Oh yeah! I have a ULTRA sweet composite ammo case that I MAY turn into a nice PC.
<Is *this* why I keep getting that message? j/k>
Probally not. I don't think you were one of the names I chose.

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr: <now what are they going to do when the current shuttle design is so out of date and in need of a major replacement?>
It's time for some new blood to design a space shuttle.
No multi billion space shuttles.
They can be made RELIABLY for WELL under $250 million. One that can take off from an airport. One that will cost far less then even the X-33 would have.
<they didn't figure on getting a better chariot to get them there.>
Government Intelligence
<::Goes forth to spread the wisdom and brilliance of Greg Weisman to the corners of the Earth>
Chants: Greg is wise. Greg is powerful. Greg is the all mighty! ;)

Gside: <A little more tightly cropped than usual, and I don't recall him having wings.>
Details, details...
Maybe the good doctor took time off from converting energy to donuts and then hacked Buck.
<Actually, Happosai wants a Christmas tree to decorate his way>
Let me guess... panties, bras and girls gym shorts?
<I'd like to burn stuff before I get much more, and I have very few CDs.>
I have a few stacks of blanks here (Free with mail in rebates!)
The only problem is deciding what goes on a CD.
<t least it wasn't any of the BF incarnations>
I miss reading that. :)

Robby: <http://ranmascan.dhs.org>
Cool! Thanks!
BTW... do you know where on-line I can get the comics 1-16? I was able to download 17-38, but they didn't have anything before 17.
<Now, if ranma only got a few drops of nanichuan, THAT might be a problem>
Hmm... if in the right place, Ranma may become SheMale from SMT!

Warpmind: <After all, I'm just half a decade overdue yet (according to Norwegian law; by US law, it's three years...)>
I thought the Norwegian age of consent was 14. It's 18 (or higher) in the US.
If that's true, you are 19 AND 21 at the same time! :)
<As for Cyrix being out of business: that's news to me>
Yeppers. Profits were slipping SO bad. They never recovered (THANK OBERON!)
I used to be a strong Intel Only person, but then AMD made the new Athlon and Duron. And the fact that the chips were 25% less for a equal speed (in MHZ, not performance. AMD laps intel on that now), I decided to give it a shot.
And Lord, I have SEEN THE LIGHT!
(Now... when will AMD come in a SMT version... oh yeah... April... JOY!)

Pistoff: <Well, there are other factors besides cost keeping me here.>
I know. :(
Hopefully you can make it to Viginia Beach next year.
<Bring an umbrella, just in case the building really does melt>
I'll bring the marshmellos!
<It might fit into an ammo box...but then, the case it has now looks pretty nifty. :)>
Hmm... not bad looking! I have a XE745 (Upgraded to 192MB of ram), and it looks nice... Small, sleek, and multi colored.
But it's a b!@#$ to upgrade! You have to rip apart the whole thing just to change a PCI card!
<If you see a bald son of a bitch in a black duster and combat boots walk into the lobby, keep your eyes on the ceiling in case it starts to turn runny and drip>
That just SOUNDS sweet!
<Because of things like this, I think anybody who makes it through school without killing themselves or anybody else deserves praise>
Damn straight.
Add drug use or alcohol use to that list. (Methods of coping)
<After OJ killed his those two people, sales of white Ford Broncos skyrocketed>
I believe that chase was, and still is, the #1 all time record holder for people ordering Pizza.
Question//Query: Were you this "pissed off" before you bought the jacket? Seriously curious.

SJ: There had better be no excuse as to why you won't be at the Gathering next year!
<"predictions">
Well, it would follow the pattern of previous shootings. (Thats sad... we can actually form patterns...)

Coyote: <that will suffer because of the actions of a few choice morons and a hungry, cannibalistic media.>
Which is responsible.
Just like the popularity of Napster. 75% of the people on there wouldn't be there if it wasn't for it being on the news.
<situations like Julia's make me embarrassed to be in possession of a Y chromosome>
Agreed. Don't men CARE about women? Are we alone in that?

Lain: <can I come in and complain some more?? do you mind??? do you REALLY mind???>
If ya need it, let it out. I doubt many in here would complain.

Seriously, it is no trouble. But I have to agree with Kirshanta.
Both LM and I have seen a SERIOUS and complete change in your behavior recently.
And, quite frankly, I am worried.
PLEASE, for your own sake, please seek some professional help.
You are a welcomed and intagral part of this CR.
Your loss would be a great loss to this CR.
Please, stay.

Imzadi: <WARNING: this article contains HUMOR>
Now THAT was funny!

Caliope: <Welcome to the Ranmavers my friend, I'm sure your stay here will be a pleasent one>
Oh yes! VERY enjoyable!

Juliaexia: If you would like my take on the situation, feel free to leave your e-mail address in here or e-mail it to me.

Jannie: 
Sick if it was because of Columbine.
But remember that The Matrix came out about the same time.

*WARNING! Columbine, V20010305 RANT!*

Columbine, V20010305: I swear... I was teased alot at school. I was beaten up weekly. I was angry. People knew it. Hell, if there was a voting topic "most likely to blow up the school", I would have won (I have been told that many times)
I had the means.
I had the motive.
I had the opertunity.
I played violent video games. (Raiden is cool, so is SubZero, and no weapon can beat a good BFG)
But Dearborn high has yet to be the place of a violent incident. And, if I can help it, it never will.
Why? Is it because I am highly religious? Nope.
Biding my time? Hell no.
So... why didn't I do it?
BECAUSE KILLING IS WRONG!
WHY can't kids realize that games are FAKE. TV is FAKE. LIVES MATTER.
NOTHING is worth killing. (Well... nothing short of the rape or murder of a loved one... bur vigilantism aside...)
Are kids really THAT stupid? Are they really THAT voilent? Are parents THAT irrisponsible?
I don't know... I just know that it's a sad state of this country where kids do this sort of thing.
Thats just my opinion. I could be wrong.

*RANT OVER!*

Ok... not to be dark but...
First there were postal shootings (about 2 dozen in 2 years)
Then at the workplace (3 in wayne county alone)
Then schools
What place is next? Any ideas?

I sure have been smiley lately, haven't I?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 7, 2001 12:18:59 AM
IP: pppa80-resaledetroit1-2r7402.dialinx.net

CRUD...hit button too soon... didnt' get to finish.

Anyways, the scariest part of this whole thing is... MVM is the school that my son attends. Sheesh, I don't know what to think anymore. I know that I do the best I can with my kids. Talk to them about dealing with pressures and such from school. The difference between reality and violence they see on TV and movies. I'm sure they both have a pretty good head on their shoulders. But really makes me wonder what the heck is going through the minds of people when they do crazy stuff like this. Man, things sure didn't seem so nuts 20 years ago when I was their age. Then school violence pretty much meant kicking someone's butt either at school or afterwards. All I can say is to just keep praying and hope that you've prepared your own kids as best as possible to deal with things, without resorting to such drastic measure.

*gets off soapbox and decides to finish watching Austin Powers* at least that is mindless. :)

Love 'n hugs to all
Katara
San Diego, CA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 11:54:31 PM
IP: ac88424c.ipt.aol.com

hi everyone..
Stephen Jr> congrats on the 'zine bit.

Okay, here's some more messed up school violence news right here from San Diego yet again. This one of course got over shadowed by the news from Santee. It seems that a 7th grade girl at Mar Vista Middle School in south San Diego decided to pull a prank on her art teacher. She sprayed some lacquer on the lid of his take out coffee cup. The teacher had already taken a few sips of the brew before he realized that something didn't smell or taste right. Teacher was sent to hospital, but will be back to work either on Wednsday or Thursday. Girl was arrested and put in juvenile detention facility.
Katara - [garglover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 11:47:34 PM
IP: ac88424c.ipt.aol.com

Spike and Stephen > congratulations! That's great news on both counts!

AvMists > thanks for the feedback; I'm just glad I got it done more or less on time. Too much going on!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 11:47:03 PM
IP: 09-028.075.popsite.net

Just to add to the good news, one of my stories got accepted to Twilight Times e-zine! WOOHOO!!! ^_^

Congrats, Spike!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Tampa, Fla, USA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 10:52:11 PM
IP: 65342hfc52.tampabay.rr.com

It's here..........

"Despair & Deliverance" just went on sale TODAY, courtesy of MacDuff Entertainment! As an added bonus, "D&D" will be aired on the RADIO (online, even!) this coming Sunday! Check the link for more details.

Pinch me. It still seems like a dream.
Spike
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 10:46:05 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-238-152.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Stefa> you see my e-mail address just fine miss
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 10:27:39 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-71.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*Lynati leans in*

(Of all the things I could choose to comment on...*shakes head softly*)

Stefa: Sata and Brooklyn are mates. they've got kids. I don't think Brook is getting the short end of the stick, relationship-wise.
hint- read The Gargoyles Saga (TGS) stories. (the ongoing series at this site.)Start at the beginning. You will be happy that you did.

*Lynati huggles lain, and sends Warpmind a kiss, then goes back to lurking*
Lynati
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 10:20:38 PM
IP: 205.184.255.61

Stefa> Well, you're in the TGS Comment Room. TGS is "The Gargoyles Saga" click on my name to see what it is.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 10:04:52 PM
IP: dialin-1209-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

TGS?? whats that?? well anyway I have already sent some fan fics to another gargoyle website but I could send some to you if ya wish me to. Well not to be mean or anything but I think that Brooklyn and I think Lex are getting messed up on the whole love deal bit.
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 10:01:17 PM
IP: 1cust77.tnt8.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Stefa> Goliath and Demona during Dark Ages. Goliath and Elisa grew closer as series progressed. Lennex MacDuff and Dominique Destine had a one evening marriage (chuckle) and um I guess that's all. Demona and Thailog had a brief fling too. What else you wanna know? (pause) BTW FYI Sata is from TGS
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 07:40:04 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-71.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

james> no I ment in the real episodes and who is this sata person I have never seen her in my life of watching the gargoyles.
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
glendale, Arizona, USA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 07:31:05 PM
IP: 1cust77.tnt8.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

*lain steps in briefly*

this is for all of you:

I just wanted to say that I am sorry for the anger I have shown in this comment room today. I know I was perhaps the instigator of all of this, and even if I wasn't I know I had no right to become as angry as I did. For my actions I am sorry, I did not mean to offend any here, and still do not ever wish to do so.
I want to apologize for not heeding the advice I dished out myself a few weeks ago about stopping and thinking before writing. While I admit that this is a sensitive topic for me, I am very sorry for the personal attacks I made. I only hope that I will not make that mistake again.

I want to apologize for always coming in here, especially lately, with such a very negative attitude. Sometimes, life gets you down, you know? But I know that is no reason to take things out on the people you know and take advantage of their willing ears and sympathies.

For all of these things, I am sorry.

*lain exits*
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 07:21:24 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

*sneaks in for a quick post*

Coyote> I've sent you an email and I hope I have the correct address ;)

SJ> and one for you, too =)

*sneaks back out*
Jannie - [jgmiller@academicplanet.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 06:57:47 PM
IP: dialup-64.158.35.213.houston1.level3.net

**SJ enters the CR, tapdancing on eggshells**

Well, this figures. Finally, a pseudo-discussion to which I could have some honest intellectual input in (considering I'm an Administration of Justice major with a few law classes under my belt), and I'm too late to offer anything constructive.

And for the record, Mr. Administrator, that was me not saying anything about you know what. That subject is a black hole.

But Lain: I'm sorry, I know you don't really see me as a friend (or at least not a close one or probably even a good one) but I have to agree with Kirshanta--you should probably talk to someone, maybe a therapist or something. I mean, you do have a lot of issues in your life that you need resolved, and going to someone professional to talk to about them is nothing to be ashamed of. It may help you. We don't mind you ranting in here, because doing so is a catharsis for all of us, but I agree with Kirshanta--it's gotten to the point where it's a bit disturbing. When I say that, I do not mean that we don't like you, or that you are annoying us, but rather we (at least Kirshanta and I) are becoming very worried about your welfare.

Look, I wasn't BSing you when I said I understand some of what you're going through. I haven't had the most enjoyable life either. I know how bad things can get. If they are that way now, perhaps you should talk to someone about it. No one would think any less of you for doing so. Cause we in the CR have sunk our claws in you--you're our friend now, and we don't want anything to happen to you, least of all you beating yourself up over what's going on in your life.

I hope that you aren't mad at me for saying this. I say this to you only out of genuine concern. I'm sure it's the same with Kirshanta as well.

Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 06:28:02 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Greg> Which is why I put both things in the "I'm not sure" category. Thanks for the correction on both accounts
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 06:25:31 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-71.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Todd> You can thank Stan Lee or Jack Kirby for Juggernaut's name. Those two have never been very subtle.

It was an okay episode though, but I want to see more Magneto development.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 06:24:10 PM
IP: dialin-539-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

DENIS - Well, Saturday's episode of "The Zeta Project" was a rerun (the story involving the "hippies" who wanted space travel for everyone), but the "X-Men" episode was a new one:

* BRIEF SPOILER/SUMMARY *

The "X-Men: Evolution" episode involved two sub-plots woven together. The first involved the X-Men going to an outdoor survival camp (a conventionally spartan place run by a hard-as-nails drill-sergeant-type, but it was either that or be trained by Wolverine back at the X-Mansion, and the X-Men decided that the outdoor survival camp was safer :), only to discover that the Brotherhood are also there; the two groups wind up in competition against each other in a mountain-climbing race. Naturally, the Brotherhood mutants decide to cheat and use their mutant abilities to help them get to the top ahead of the X-Men; Scott, noticing this, gets so fed up that he's ready to have the X-Men use their abilities similarly, and consequently gets into a constant argument with Jean over it, who feels that they should stick with using just their everyday normal skills rather than their mutant powers, even if it means losing to the Brotherhood. (I've got to admit, it's not often that you see Scott acting less than boy-scoutish).

Meanwhile, Mystique, taking advantage of the fact that the X-Men are away, breaks Juggernaut out of a prison where he's being held after Xavier defeated him in a past conflict (one before he set up the X-Men, apparently), and sends him off to the X-Mansion, hoping that he'll take care of his stepbrother for her. They handled the Professor particularly well in this story, I thought, showing his grief at having to be at odds with his own stepbrother; Xavier makes one or two attempts to reach Juggernaut, all of which Juggernaut rejects. Fortunately, the X-Men learn about the attack in time to head back to the mansion and save the Professor (with a bit of unexpected help from the Brotherhood, since Juggernaut gets fed up with Mystique giving him orders and decides to get rid of her as well - but it's clear enough that it's only a temporary truce). At any rate, it was a rather fun episode.

(One thing I can't help but suspect, though; whoever at Marvel Comics came up with Juggernaut's real first name being Cain obviously wasn't in a very subtle mood :)

* SUMMARY/SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 06:11:16 PM
IP: 216.87.46.44.dialup-stl.primary.net

Kaioto: Thank you.
Doug
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 05:45:21 PM
IP: pool-63.52.168.251.dlls.grid.net

James> You're thinking of Delilah and Icarus, not Demona and Icarus.

Also, Lex and Liz are NOT a couple. They're just really good friends, just as Elisa and Matt are not a couple and Madoc and Maeve were not a couple, but really good friends.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 05:41:47 PM
IP: dialin-1338-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Stefa> Definite: Goliath & Elisa. Brooklyn & Sata. Morgana Cornish and Mary's father whose name I think was Nigel Sefton. Maybe: Macbeth & Anna Williamson. Merlin & Mary. Elaine & Duval. Jennifer and Arthur. Still not sure: Demona & Icarus. Lex & Liz
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 05:39:10 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-71.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

**LC walks in, sitting down at the Tea Table of Peace with cookies before banging her head against the wall a few times.**

Sorry...RL and online debates are just driving me quite nuts right now. It is my hope that no one is offended to the point of leaving from anything that is said (especially you, lain, my friend!) and that everyone who's having problems can just be able to heal and get through them all right.

My prayers are with all of you.

And just for the record, all men are *not* bastards...sure, it might seem like a great many of them are, but heck...most of my best friends in RL are guys that are certainly not evil, and many of the guys I've seen 'round these online parts are not either. And of course, there's Coyote, too, who is certainly the sweetest guy I've ever met. :) So yes, some men are certainly bastards...but not all. Definitely not all. And though the nice ones may be few and far between, they're out there, I promise.

Well, that's it for me. **LC takes a big, long drink of Sprite, then passes out on the Tea Table for a nap.**
Lady Corax
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 05:35:39 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Oracle: You might not have wanted to imply that ... but you did. And lain, having first-hand *personal* experience with rape, definitely took it as an insult.
Coyote the Bando
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 05:04:33 PM
IP: 216.28.101.34

Alright, I�m whistling this one dead and calling it out of bounds. End of Discussion. Things are starting to carry off-base and are getting personal. That�s the price you pay for making the room a clearing-house for the issues of everyone in the community, however. I�m not going to blame anyone for it. I�m just going to ask for the subject to be dropped, effective now. To continue posting on the subject will be grounds for official action. IRL, you can�t just make sensitive issues go-away, but this is a privately owned forum maintained for public use with rules and regulations imposed on its use. The subject of rape is certainly ratings-sensitive to begin with, and this has gone far beyond the after-school special level of things. Also, things have gotten far too personal in the back and forth to continue. I let it go on as far as I could without meddling, but I have to draw a line somewhere, albeit a rather arbitrary. Fair? No. My job? Yes.

So leave be or take it to private, please.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 05:04:31 PM
IP: 141.133.147.152

Coyote> Never wanted to imply that she didn't, but all of a sudden because I don't believe Julia was raped, -I'm- the one that doesn't know what rape is. Thats just as unfair.

By her second post where she said she was going to leave, she implied that everyone who doesn't agree with her is really screwed up. Thats what I got from it anyways. She feels sorry for us, blah blah.
Julia -asked- for our opinion and people are giving it. Lain has no right to bash us just as much as we shouldn't bash her. *shrugs*
Oracle
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:54:49 PM
IP: mke-24-167-233-114.wi.rr.com

HI I was wondering if anyone knew about the gargoyles relation ship if ya did then thanks if ya tell me. And if you want to talk to me put a picture of (my fave guy) Brooklyn nest to your chat and oh yes I forgot to mention I am a girl go fig:)
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
glendale, Arizona, USA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:52:21 PM
IP: 1cust112.tnt10.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

**Warning: Entering Rare "Male Feminist" Mode -- Reader Beware**

Oracle: I suggest before you say anything more that you read lain's previous posts, *especially* from the room two weeks ago, IIRC. Then I would suggest you rethink what you are saying to her about her not knowing what rape is.

For the record here ... situations like Julia's make me embarrassed to be in possession of a Y chromosome. When men take advantage of women like that, it's nothing but a strike against the whole of us as a gender. It makes me angry to read something like that.
Now ... here's the way I see it. In the eyes of the law, is it rape? No. In a human sense, is it rape? Yes.
Hoping not to offend with my choice of terminology here, but Julia is "damaged goods." She's had bad sexual assault experiences before that either can't or won't be validated by her mother because her mother appears to be in some sort of state of denial. Now, if the guy in question had been someone who was fairly in touch with reality and not single-mindedly concerned about gettin' his *own* rocks off, he probably should have seen that she was uncomfortable with the situation, and should have backed off. (Of course, that's what I'd do and I notice that my attitudes tend to be the aberration when it comes to general male behavior)
Did he? No, he kept going, as far as I can tell for his own selfish motives and not giving a tinker's damn about Julia's feelings or her well-being. To my sense of morality, that's just plain wrong ... and while I'm a pacifist by action, if Julia were my friend (and by posting here, I'd count her as one), or even if she were my sister, I'd be doing my best to make the guy's life a total and complete living hell of guilt for as long as possible, just for the sake of making *him* feel as bad as he's made Julia feel about herself.

That's my buck and seventy two cents there.

**End "Male Feminist" Mode**
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:43:12 PM
IP: 216.28.101.34

BREAK!!!!!!!!!

Anyway... ::blinks at the comments being thrown about in the room:: Well, hmm... Y'know.. i'm not sure what to say... I think someone has missed something. There are 2 definitions of rape. One that simply says unconsenting sex is rape, and one that appiles to a court case. The second is a bunch of Sh!t. If you don't consent, it's rape, be it physical, or mental, usually both. However, as Kit said, it won't go to court unless you're 1 underage, or 2 said no and fought. The mental end is a different story, this doesn't actually requre sex... and it's the worse of the 2. Anyway. Just a note... i"m staying out of it, now that I've said my piece. from what I saw, she asked for people's opinions and some took it into their head to attack others for thier feelings. Who in here has the right to tell anyone else how to think? I may not be a vocal lil person, or still be new to the group, but I thought when I started posting that this was a place for freedom of expression and thought.

::sits by lain:: Don't leave sis, I don't mind hearing, and it helps me know that I'm not the only one dealing with issues, so that I can get past my own dwelling on things.

:;looks over at Oracle:: Dear, just a note. be VERY sure you know a person's history before you throw out comments. If you know EVERYTHING about someone, then make judgemnets. Untill then, this is not a place for personal attacks, at least not last I heard.

::looks around room:: I'm not the police, but I'd like to drop a bit of reason in. Someone let me know what the point of this CR is. I would really like to konw if part of it is to make personal attacks on others... and if it is, i'm leaving, I have no desire to take anymore attacks than i allready do.

::gets off soapbox:: Anyway. I wait to see what this brings out of corners, but I hope it gets tossed at me, rather than at those who allready have enough to deal with.

::shelters lain under wings::
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades, COLD
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:43:11 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Caliope>(hugs back) Kirshantata> interesting yes (shrug) I agree it is a weak theory
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:41:14 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-71.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Walks into the CR, singing (badly):
You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skys are gray. You'll never know dear, how much I love you. Please don't take, my sunshine away.

Can anyone guess what the weather is in Berkeley today?!

Cali: Hi there. ::shakes hand:: I don't think I could call you Cal, because that's the name of my school. You can call me Josh, Imzadi, or Imzy. Puerto Rico, fine. The entire Caribbean? Absolutely not! Where do you think all my friends will want their own personal vacation islands?

Lain: you do not have permission from the CR to disappear. You are our friend, and our days would be emptier without you. However, that blatant flame at Oracle is NOT okay.

That said, I give permission for people to tell me that I am insensitive and unkind.
WARNING: the following is cold-hearted. That's the way I am. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Rape stuff: As a male, I find it obnoxious to be bashed upon simply because I happened to be born with a penis. This is rediculous. If the girl doesn't say no, then plenty of guys will not even notice that she's not writing in ecstasy and use the girl to fulfill their own urges. Some guys take lack of noise from a girl to mean they're not doing something right. But I think this is a minority of men (though for all I know all the men in here could fall into this category).

But if you don't say no, then you cannot tell us that its the guy's fault. Men are not mind-readers (well, except me). Hell, we don't even know what we're thinking most of the time, how the hell are we supposed to predict what YOU want? If a guy takes advantage of a girl when she's drunk, then he is at fault. But if both parties are sober, then responsibility for stupidity must be shared equally. I find it rediculous that the law in this state says that if both parties are drunk, the guy is a rapist. Guys often try to manipulate their way into girls' pants. That's the way the singles dating game is played (sorry to shatter any illusions). And girls often try to do the same thing. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to help my guy friends when they're being manipulated by girls. Girls do as much stupid sh*t as guys, and the goal is the same: reduction of another person's self-esteem to nothing. They just do it slightly differently.

Never forget that not all men are bastards just because one of them raped/assualted you. That's as dumb as Demona trying to kill all the present day humans because of the Viking Sack of 996. If you go through life assuming that everyone you trust will eventually hurt you, then you will be very alone for your entire life. I refuse to accept responsibility or your aggression towards me because I happen to be the same gender as someone who did something bad to you. Hell, I could be a family member of the evildoer and I still wouldn't accept agression towards me! I could be their twin brother and I wouldn't.

I used to hang out at the rocky horror picture show every weekend. The environment is filled with drug addicts, abused children, sluts, and social rejects. Everyone there has issues. And everyone sleeps with everyone else. Am I a bad person because I slept with girls that had psych issues? I don't think so. I have my own issues. Is a girl taking advantage of me when we have sex? I think not.

Now then, the conclusion. You people need more inner strength. I'm sorry if it has to take events like this to build it up. But people without inner strength are doomed to pay for such lack of self-confidence. I know, both as someone who lacked personal strength in grade school and as someone who preyed (not sexually) on other's lack of self-confidence in high school. I see a lot of people in this CR who are friendly, bright, and even outgoing...ONLINE. You could have so many friends in the real world, but you are afraid. And I find that dismal.

Holy sh*t! Silent Bob's an insturment of god?
-Jay, Dogma

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:40:07 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-209.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

okay Oracle, you win... when you said that I, "need to be enlighted as to what rape is sweety," I think you get to take the prize for the most unkind, painful and completely insensitive comment anyone has ever said to me. Thank you very much, I hope you enjoy.

lain
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:09:25 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Hi. It�s snowing but it isn�t accumulating here. Home access is good! :) I have a little break so I thought I�d post early.

On the whole bit of killing and violence it�s important that people have a coping mechanism in life. It�s important to have people to talk to and tell them how you feel. Also important is to have some way to release negative feelings on your own without hurting anyone.

On not stopping a sexual encounter. You can�t expect an individual to be empathetic to how you feel. You have to look at all the things you are saying and doing. You might be sending mixed signals. As for what happened to Juliaexia I don�t know, it could be either depending on all the details of what happened.

Emambu> <missed me> Oops! Missed this before. Of course you were missed and noticed as MIA. I didn�t get a chance to say anything though as I myself was completely out of the loop. <snow> Well it�s confirmed the snow wasn�t as grand as expected in NYC. A nice six inches is good to play with. Unfortunately there�s only enough in most areas to just crunch underfoot and between my toes. **sighs** Maybe if I visit you I can be completely buried in snow. ;P

Caliope> **HUGZ** Speaking of Roswell, I wonder what happened last night. It wasn�t on again. That was hilarious with Kyle then Tess. Tess: �I�m glad I�m an orphan.� Sheriff: �Tess, don�t make me come back in there!� LOL ^_^ <ticklish> Well my sister used tickling as her greatest weapon against me! It worked too well! ;P <worse than I am> Probably, but now I know you are ticklish! **devilish wolf grin and tickles you** That should also give your happiness an extra jump start! ;P **HUGZ**

Imzadi> You know that Oreo info was right from the fact list at the Oreo webpage. We�ve worked on those and other Nabisco pages in the past. Probably only a matter of time before we get some new requests from them...

SOROW> Well when I attended the last gathering they didn�t have a seson premire for one of the TGS series. Apparently last year it was MIA from the schedule. That was my first so I don�t know about previous the Gatherings.

Daniel Johnson> Yum! Thanks for the steak! ^_^ <dog> I took a look at your pictures. That is such a cute dog! Much nicer than the dog that I have to fight with to go to work and come home occasionally. Okay I don�t actually fight that dog. That dog just likes to run up and bark at you following you for half the block defending the home turf. Being a wolf I get a personal radius of five feet that won�t be broken so I just continue walking. I�m happy that you have a good companion to share your time at home with. :)

Lain> You certainly don�t need to leave. It is very admirable of you to be so close and defensive of Juliaexia. You are have a tender heart and are a true friend.

I think that about wraps it up. Laters.

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:02:54 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

I second Jannie's post here. there's not much else that can be add when all that I could say has been said already.

ohh, while, I'm here, is there somebody to post a review of this weekend's X-Men Evolution's and Zeta episodes?

cya soon!
Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:59:28 PM
IP: adsl-34089.turboline.skynet.be

Julia: I'm in Oracle and Jannie's camp- no resistance on your part, so the situation doesn't really count as rape. However, do not take this to mean you don't have my prayers and sympathies- you do. And I agree with Kit- you've got to break up with this guy as soon as possible. Best of luck doing just that, let us know if you need help of any kind. BTW, I must add that I am appalled that your mother thinks forced sex is okay. What is wrong with her? <slowly shakes head>
Doug
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:35:09 PM
IP: pool-63.52.170.54.dlls.grid.net

Juliaexia: Put me in Lain's camp. I agree you were raped- yeah, you didn't have the courage to say no, but you still didn't want the sex. Therefore it's rape. Do I recommend that you go to the police about this? No- the case will not hold up and you'll put yourself through more pain and suffering than you want. But I say you should at least find some way to break up with the guy who did it, so he won't feel like he can do it again. Tell him he was terrible, I've found that works on most guys. You of course have my deepest sympathy in this situation and I will be praying that you can soon get over all the emotional pain and suffering you must be going through right now.

Lain: I don't think you should leave here. I like you, I welcome you being in here, you're a great friend and a wonderful person. I don't think your rants mean you're suicidal or depressed, they seem very normal to me. I don't know why, but they do. <shrugs> I don't think you're crazy or disturbed at all, I don't think you need professional help like some people do- just more friends to talk with and bleed off your stress. It upsets me greatly that the majority of people in this CR are choosing to cop out and not be those friends. :( Doug and I are here for you at least, and I know Valentine and Lynati are too. So don't feel depressed, and don't leave. Please. <grabs and holds her>

<grimaces> No big post tonight after all. I have to cover a call-in at the store. Will try again to get it in tomorrow.
Kit
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:31:50 PM
IP: pool-63.52.170.54.dlls.grid.net

Lain> You need to be enlighted as to what rape is sweety. Regret is not rape.

Ner. Now I'm done. >.<
Oracle
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:29:49 PM
IP: mke-24-167-233-114.wi.rr.com

Lain> She never said she was pushed into by the man. In fact she said she was flirtatious with him. This is not the man's fault Lain. From what -Julia- has said and she can correct us if we're wrong, but the man had no clue what was going on in her head. Ppl are not mind readers.

"if you were with a guy friend and you're just being yourself, which just happens to be very flirtatious, and things start happening. you're somewhat cool with it but then it gets to a point where you don't know what to really do b/c you've been sexually assaulted in the past and your mother just brushes it off as nothing. so you're with this guy and you do something you might regret later but don't have the guts to say anything cause you were told, by of all people YOUR MOTHER, that its ok you go and do it anyway"

Like Jan said, its really unfortunate but no one should have to pay for someone else's mistakes just because they have other problems. Julia needs help, you need help. Sorry, but if this was brought to the authorities, it wouldn't be prosecuted. Its not only that she didn't say NO, its also because she didn't fight or anything. Just because she was mentally unable or unwanting to kick him away, scream, tell him no, whatever, its not his fault that she has mental paralysis. _HE_ didn't know. SHE was flirting and to a man (sorry if thats sexist) but that kinda shows you want something more than friendship.

Anyways, thats all I have to say about it.
~fin~
Oracle
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:26:50 PM
IP: mke-24-167-233-114.wi.rr.com

Lain> Julia did not explain everything and based on what WAS said, it did not constitute rape. That was her question. Does it make what happened right? no. But it still is not rape. I certainly don't need a lecture from you about manipulation. No one said that it was alright to do that to another person.
NO ONE said, "Julia, you are at fault here and deal with it." They simply stated that what she described was not rape and both Oracle and I suggested that she get additional help.
If you want to post your email addy, I will be more than happy to continue this discussion with you privately. I'm not going to get into a flame war over this and I'll restrain the best I can to refrain from using the words such as drama queen here in here.
Jannie - [jgmiller@academicplanet.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:26:40 PM
IP: dialup-209.244.116.138.houston1.level3.net

oracle>> can you enlighten the CR as to all the rapes you know about where the male party DIDN'T think that it was okay? I would really like to know..
i have really really REALLY BIG problems with that teensy weensy little statement..
lain
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:13:39 PM
IP: dynrez217-32-81.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

hi all.
everything is okay

no, i dont agree with you people about if this counts as a rape or not.
having been there and done that, i know exactly how this goes. Julia was manipulated by someone stronger than her who took advantage of her mental and physical weakness and last time i checked, this was not right.
If you think its allright for this sort of thing to happen, then I am very sorry that I dont agree.

Sorry i fell for that manipulation too, does that make what happened my fault?
maybe it does.

coersion is a powerful weapon, and is not to be wiped aside as something used by the stronger against the weaker. sometimes we just can't fight for whatever reason. That doesn't make us any less as people, does it? and it doesn't make what happens as a result any more of our fault.. Because we all have moments of weakness and that does not make us less.
But when stuff like that is forced on you, and the only crime you commit is that you are too afraid of the consequences of resisting, I don't think that is right. And okay, so the consequences of resisting are often not as great as the consequences of NOT resisting but it is pretty hard to see that when you are actually stuck in the situation. That's when you freeze and go hide inside yourself and hope everything will be okay, which it never is afterwards. If this has never happened to you then count yourselves lucky and i hope you never feel so cornered that your mind starts thinking like this..

and i think it would be very much appreciated if people didn't come in here and tell my friend to her face (as she posts in here) that what happened to her was her own fault. That is the most HORRIBLE thing you can say to someone who has been hurt like this, and i honestly cant believe that any of you would be so uncaring as to say that. It makes me sick.

I am also sorry about my ranting in here for the past little while. If it offends you or makes you uncomfortable, I will happily swallow it and add it to the rest of the dark lump that seems to be forming inside me.
everyone gets depressed, too. Maybe you are lucky enough to have friends in RL to vent to, but I am really not. I am sorry for burdening you with my troubles and I assure you I will not do it again.

i think maybe i will leave the CR for awhile, if its that much trouble.
I don't want to be a burden, and i am sorry if thats what I have been. maybe I have been abusing the provilage it is to be able to speak freely in this comment room and if I have, then I would like to apologize.
I am terribly sorry if I make some of you uncomfortable or worried about me. Take heart that I am stronger for these troubles and though I might WANT to give up, i wont.

anyway, thanks for your time..

love,
lain
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:10:26 PM
IP: dynrez217-32-81.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

P.S. That sanity comment was to be taken at face value, unlike the sanity wisecrack about this CR. I really mean it lain - this is getty scary in its intensity. I'm afraid you will one day hurt yourself out of sheer desperation.
Kirshanta
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 02:24:47 PM
IP: g69-194.citenet.net

Ok, so shoot me if I seem cold and all that but

lain>> You need to get some professional help and fast. Every one of your posts for the past almost week has been depressed, outraged, temporarily crazy or even suicidal. Not only is this making everyone mad with worry about you, but even I am beginning to find it just a tad worrisome that stuff like this is being tossed around the CR.

Before any administrator get upset at my stepping on toes, I AM NOT TRYING TO POLICE THE CR.

However, I do believe I am voicing more than a few concerns about lain mental health. Please, for the sake of your sanity - GET SOME HELP!!!
Kirshanta
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 02:22:12 PM
IP: g69-194.citenet.net

*peeks in for a quickie*

Lain >> I agree w/ Oracle and Jannie about Julia's case. It is not rape, the key word is "no"... and since it was not said, the it isn't rape. I think the word Oracle is looking for is "temptation".

*peeks back out*
XenaTrek - [ellislis@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 01:41:13 PM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

Juliaexia> As much as I may sound cold hearted to some, I don't think you got raped. You just didn't have the strength to say no. That's not rape, just regret. If the man knew you didn't want to, and went ahead anyways, then yes. But as long as he thought you were consenting, which is what I got from your post, then what he did was OK. Stupid and didn't think much since it was a one night stand, but not rape.
You -need- to get some help tho. Help so this doesn't happen again and you don't feel like crap everytime you are with a man, want to be with a man, or even want to get close to a man. What your mom says about the previous encounter should have nothing to do with it. She's just closed minded or in La-La land. See a councilor, a teacher, someone you trust that maybe can get you help you deserve.
Oracle
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 01:23:06 PM
IP: mke-24-167-233-114.wi.rr.com

Lain> I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. She said, "see the thing is the girl never actually said no" and went on to explain that she did not do anything to stop the sexual encounter. What I have interrepted is that she did this without really wanting to, but gave no indication to the guy to stop and then had a lot of regrets afterwards. This is NOT Rape. Unless there is more to this than what Juliaexia has said, it was not unconsented sex in terms of rape. It IS a most unfortunate situation and I hope that she can receive some type of counseling or support from her friends.

Pistoff> yeah, it's a shame that _everyone_ is grouped into the same category as the murderers of Columbine students just because they want to wear trenchcoats. It's not fair, but I understood the reason for the panic. I think for the most part, that has now subsided. (except for those few ocassional idiots that harass you)

I heard on the news this morning from the officials at the school and they are saying that the reports of this wacko being picked on are extremely exaggerated. I guess it depends on who is being picked on, huh?

*goes back to painting*
Jannie
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 01:19:25 PM
IP: dialup-209.244.116.138.houston1.level3.net

I heard this saying: If watching violent movies made a person violent, then the movie critics would be the biggest bunch of axe murders. In such case, the career of a movie critic would be limited.

At the risk of having my head chopped off, I will say the Violence solves some problems TEMPORARILY. If you torment me and I shoot you, that solves my problem TEMPORARILY.

I am flirting with the idea that fast-food restaurants and stores open 24 hours a day 7 days a week have screwed up society. My reason for saying so: they have enabled people not to think/plan ahead. Without that necessary skill, we all are doomed.

Just received another IM spam. I guess I will have to limit IM messaging capacity to people who have asked to be able to IM me.

**WORK RELATED**
This is madness. A lot of work is marked urgent and some items are more urgent than others. That is enough to confuse people like me. At least, I am getting more respect on my current shift than I was on my previous one. Maybe it's because I am full-time or maybe it's related to who the direct boss is.
**END WORK RELATED**

Alright, my new plan for adjusting my lunch at work has worked for now.

Winterwolf - ice. Isn't that one of the names of an illegal drug?

Here I am online for another 1 1/2 due to reading TGS staff messages. Oh well. Most of the time was spent composing messages, though.

**RP RELATED**
Today, I finally wrap up fleshing out ITAG.
**END RP RELATED**

**BFTS RP continues**
*In a an ITAG meeting of all preceptors, otherwise known as the ITAG council*
"What information should I allow to be known about this 'gateway'?" asked chamberlain Butch Renfroe.

"Hmm. Nothing until we know more. Afterwards, we just list it as a classified ITAG area," suggested castellan Larry Jones.

"I disagree. To completely classify that location's secret would undermine morale among ITAG members. We should list it as a dangerous phenomon to be avoided. If anyone asks details, it is on a need-to-know basis." said marshal Daniel Johnson.
*meanwhile*
"I received money with the requirement that I do not undermine the supply of precious metals. Who/what sends the money and where it comes from, I do not know." said Plastique Saber.
**END BFTS RP for now**
Just had to put something out, that I thought of a long time ago in BFTS RP
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 01:14:43 PM
IP: max1-18.cwy.cei.net

*sees red*

okay Juliaexia.. last *I* checked that was called UNCONSENTING SEX AKA RAPE and it involves me dragging you down to the health unit RIGHT NOW OH MY GOD!!!!

ok everyone... everything is fiiiiiiine.... juuuust fiiiiiiiine.... and this girl's life is turning into mine more and more every day and I CAN'T TAKE IT!!
AAAAARRRGGGGHHH!!!!
MEN ARE JERKBASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!
lain
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 12:09:35 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

James > Interesting perspective on Demona's appearance. Somewhat lacking in depth for her since no other gargoyle cares about Nighstone except her - and I don't see another gargoyle sticking their neck out for a human employed comapny.
Ed - any ideas?
Kirshanta
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 11:24:53 AM
IP: g69-194.citenet.net

Hey Guys!!!! * ^_~ *

Hope everyones doin' good! :)

Winterwolf> Yey your back!!! *HUGZ back* <theft> Yeah, it was icky, and still is, but we're all ok I guess :) <<Maybe one day you could show off your artwork.>> lol yeah maybe! *wonders if there is such a thing as an 18"by 24" scaner* :P Hey I didnt know you were THAT ticklish!!! Your worse then I am, at the risk of melting and turning into a pile of Cali goo :P <<roswell>> Yeah, those were fun eps, especialy the vegas one, and I also think Liz is SOOOOO lame...oy...:P I loved when the sherif came to get Kyle and Tess got draged off too, that was so cute :P <<happiness>> ya know, true umcontrolabe happiness has eluded me for the last few weeks, but I think I'm finding some again ;)

Gunjack and Sevarious Jr> *sighs* censoring IS, belive it or not, the cause of the whole violence in america, or most of it. They put taboos on violence and dont alow ppl to expres that anger in less distructive ways, like playing vido games or watching violent movies, therefor it stays pent up inside till one day you grab a gun and deside to go to school and shoot a few ppl down. Ofcorse its not the gun's fault the triger was pulled, but realy, if they were less accesible, something like that would be less likely to happen...

Cherry> Hey you! *HUGZ* Hey, do you have Quickdot?

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel: Hey, I dont think we've properly met, I'm Caliope *shakes his hand* go ahead and call me Cali or Cal or hey you, whatever :). Now, I understand your giving away countries here and I was wondering, can I keep my Puerto Rico and if no one else has 'em, the caribean in general? ^_^

Fire Storm> *reads his many inqueries and laughs* Welcome to the Ranmavers my friend, I'm sure your stay here will be a pleasent one ^_~

Egad, gotta go! I'm late for meeting my friend for lunch!!!...again!!! :P *HUGZ all* Bye!!!!! *poof!*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 11:24:02 AM
IP: 136.145.83.179

Kirshanta> Avalon is a clan. They were raised somewhere else and very differently. The Labyrith is not a seperate clan since as far as I see if they are in Manhatten then they are of the Manhatten clan; mutates, gargoyles, clones of the gargoyles, and the hybrid clone.. all the Manhatten Clan. Demona is even part of the clan but as for why she sneaked and went to Council I'd say the reason is to get allies so she can take Nightstone back by sheer force of numbers.
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 10:55:00 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

First off STEFA > I will welcome you only if you stop wanting to jump Brooklyn's bones. He isin't available and I think Sata wouldn't take too kindly to it. Now, if you have ANY gargoyle questions, Ed, James and I will be pleased as punch to answer them. So ask away. And welcome.

*** TGS SPOILERS ***

ED >> A most wonderful review as always. I was very impressed with both the length and depth given to many characters this week. I agree that many of the new ones should have been padded out a little before we saw them, however, it will probably make for many hours of interesting reading during the following season.

Lexington's development has been a long time in coming. Except for his cybernetic enhacements, there was not much mention of him compared to Brook and Broadway who both got married and in Brook's case had a whole arm of the saga written around him. I like the Kristie idea, although I can't help but think of the differences in the interests - big city technological wizz with cybernetic implants meets deep forest wilderness hunter. Well, they do say opposites attracts (although all I've seen is them smiling shyly at each other but not doing much talking...)

The Chinese Clan leader was beautifully portrayed. However, I agreee that Goliath was not nearly up to character. I mean, upset and growling or stupid and unsure. He HAS been known to be somewhere in the middle at times. It was almost like they wanted to show us that Goliath has no control when either Elisa or Xanatos is not present to whisper in his ear.

I agree also with the apparition of all these new clans - when was there a mention of clans in Persia or Antarctica for that matter. And if the Labyrinth and New Olympus clans are indeed counted as clans - how many other variations of clans are there. I mean, technically, Avalon is Goliath's children's clan so thats all just one clan. And the clones are Goliath's clan's clones so they are just one clan too. Or not? Ed, James, some help please...

Imzadi >> Love the name by the way. Charcter development. I so agree. And I long for the days of old, where you could spend a whole evening on a story but at least you got to explore every character's emotions in depth. LiKe Goliath for example. Not once in 27 pages did he miss Elisa. Of course, we both know he did, but why is it not mentionned??

However, I must admit that this week's episode came closer to acheving that end than any other this season. But I do agree that the episodes this season seem to have no continuity. Why is Demona at the Council? What does she hope to accomplish? The Demona we know would not have shown up at the Council when she could have easily used the fact that Goliath was not in Manhattan to re-take Nightstone without interference. I thought her company was the most important and that her anger stemmed from Thailog's takeover - if so why is she not plotting against him. It seems to me the council has enough inner turmoil to deal with and milk out to produce a good storyline that Demona doesn't need to be involved. That having been said, I am intrigued by this twist of events and wonder what exactly will come of it.

Ed again >> I think maybe that this is the first Council but most likely not the last. Meaning that they do not have to walk away from this one in perfect harmony. Which would then leave the door open for another spin off or stories about these new clans. Because let's face it - no other clan in the world is going to agree with what Goliath's clan is doing. Gargoyles protect - HA!! Not anymore. The new generation doesn't - witness Graeme's tantrum a few weeks ago and the Trio's grumbling when they first arrived in Manhattan. I think that may indeed be the wind of change this season. The old Gargoyles protect line may not be as popular as it once was and that will cause friction - not only at the Council but also within clans.

Ok - that's all for now. Ed, bring on some roaring canine's plot explosion. We need it.
Kirshanta
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 10:08:17 AM
IP: g69-194.citenet.net

Pistoff> <Because of things like this, I think anybody who makes it through school without killing themselves or anybody else deserves praise.> umm....I do agree with you there...but what if you did kill yourself, yet came back to life? and it is possible, it just usually depends on how you do it.
Ranma Saotome
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 08:41:10 AM
IP: host-209-214-117-38.bna.bellsouth.net

ok...so i haven't really been here for a while. i've had some trials to overcome in my life and .... well.... i'm still working on them, right lain? anyway, i need to rant/rave/whatever, so i hope you dont' mind me going off on a tangent. actually some opinions would be great to the stiution that i'm about to present. ok, here it goes:
if you were with a guy friend and you're just being yourself, which just happens to be very flirtatious, and things start happening. you're somewhat cool with it but then it gets to a point where you don't know what to really do b/c you've been sexually assaulted in the past and your mother just brushes it off as nothing. so you're with this guy and you do something you might regret later but don't have the guts to say anything cause you were told, by of all people YOUR MOTHER, that its ok you go and do it anyway. and the girl is in hysterics after cause she didn't want to do anything and it hurt so much (physically) and is bawling *which she never does* afterwards and is the point of doing something really really really really really extreme...what do you call that??? i've gotten a couple of opinions as to whether it's rape or not and i've gotten both sides. see the thing is the girl never actually said no b/c she couldn't...she should have, but just didnt' have the guts but during the act of whatever happened she didn't want to be doing and just shut her eyes and pretend it wasn't happening. opinions....PLEASE????!!!!!
so...how's everybody else doing? i havne't the slightest clue as to what is going on with the gargoyles thing...like i said i've been pre-occupied with other life challenges, so i apologize for not being 'hip' with that part of the chat room. i should probably get some sleep...i have a long day tomorrow...
night everyone...or good morning....or good day.....pick one!!! thanks again for letting me rant.

juliaexia
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 04:49:18 AM
IP: dynrez217-32-81.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

*wanders in, limping and carrying a bokken*

Lord, but today was depressing. Way too much ickiness, most of it coming from me. And try to try to twist Lain's arm behind her back when sparing; especially if she's wearing boots. You'll be screaming for days if you do.

Gside><<Heck with it. I got distracted...>> I'd ask, but I have a guess. And I really don't want to know.

Anyway, I'll try to get replies out tomorrow. If you wish to increase the likelyhood of postage, gang up to keep Lain VERY distracted on IM all day tomorrow. ; ) I suggest stuffed animals, tea, and sparring for those with a high pain threshhold.

*wanders out*
Gunjack "Manana" Valentine
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 03:13:58 AM
IP: 216-146-183-91.bwn.net

Everyone- please excuse Kit's behavior earlier tonight. We just got back from the club and she had a few drinks. <a beautiful shadowy figure comes up behind Doug, puts a hand on his shoulder, then pulls back his head for an intense passionate kiss> I have to go now...:)
Doug
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 02:01:50 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.201.dlls.grid.net

Heck with it. I got distracted, but I need rest for upcoming schoolwork and exams. I'll try to catch up later.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 01:46:49 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Imzadi: <Giant Robots Article> ROFLMAO!!!!!

Beth H.: Same here, sister. Romantic sex is the best kind of sex no matter what. Yeah, sex between consenting good friends is nice, but only someone you're romantically involved with will let you get wild and join in the craziness. Then you can do things like lay in bed together feeding each other strawberry-vanilla ice cream, wear certain items for only fifteen seconds maximum, answer calls for "security," and... <suddenly realizes no one wants to hear her talk about these things and promptly shuts up>

Big post later after my nap!!
Kit
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 01:45:57 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.201.dlls.grid.net

For you Onion readers out there, I strongly suggest you check out this article in light of recent San Diego events. WARNING: this article contains HUMOR, which some of you may not find entertaining in light of the shootings. Read at risk of offending your own sensibilities.

http://www.theonion.com/onion3707/video_game_violence.html
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 12:47:27 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-215.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

I just heard something funny on the radio about the San Diego shooting.

I was listening to a radio show, and while they were not making light of the tragedy, they were spouting off some "predictions" as to what will now happen in the aftermath of this tragedy:

*Someone will claim that Jesus saved them from the assault, or at least they will claim that the gunman said something about killing the Christians
*The parents will claim to have no idea whatsoever that their son was a developing mass murderer
*And perhaps my favorite, the majority of the kids in the school will say that they *tried* to be friends with this kid, but he was just too much of a loner and he just pushed them away (of course, tee hee).

You know what? I wouldn't be surpised if one or all of these things happened. These school shootings are so goddamn predictable now. The reason that they keep happening is that NO ONE is willing to take any responsibility. I mean, the kid is responsible for the deaths, that's for sure; but there are others who are responsible for things degenerating this far.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Tuesday, March 6, 2001 12:20:43 AM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Jannie> welcome Stefra> see caption
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Resident Macbeth expert and watcher of the said immortal
Monday, March 5, 2001 11:45:46 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-37.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Daniel Johnson>> if you want to put them on CD I'd love you forever (after what Wolf has of my heart of course...) let me know what you'd want in return...

::bows head and says prayer for those in shooting:: I miss alot in this secluded lil school. I'm glad y'all keep me filled in on what's going on. I also don't think i'll get into things too much... shooting people is wrong, period.

::sighs and collapses in corner and pulls about 14 blankets onto herself:: IT"S COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

::curls up with Wolf for warmth.::
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades, FREEZING
Monday, March 5, 2001 11:39:21 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

lain: Uh...wow. Don't worry, that rant is pretty gentle compared to some of mine. ;) And I think Dennis Miller said it best--"I rant, therefore I am." Tee hee hee. But anyway, I think it's best to just get these things out of your system. And this was pretty impressive. I bet if you wore a trenchcoat to that dance, you could really scare the crap out of those people... ^_~

Okay, I've posted enough...heh, made up in one day for my absense during the past few weeks. ;) Okay, back to writing and stuff....
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 11:30:31 PM
IP: ppp122-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

Speaking of sex, check out my link! (From Amiee's CR)

Well... not EXACTLY sex... more like dating....

A completely controlling and demanding woman.
Fire Storm - [<---]
Monday, March 5, 2001 11:28:28 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Coyote>Sure, I can do a favor for you some time in the future when I have the time. :) Just tell me what it is when you need to. :)
Beth H.
Monday, March 5, 2001 11:08:32 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

HI it's me again I am new here and was wondering if anyone could answer some of my questions or tell me something that I need to know here. BTW I was hopeing to get the 411 on some of the gargoyles well anyway have a nice day :)
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
glendale, Arizona, U.S.A but I wish I was in japan
Monday, March 5, 2001 10:51:51 PM
IP: 1cust58.tnt6.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Hi Everyone!
LTNS I know. Been a killer month. I'm just glad to be back finally. Hope everyone is doing okay. I'm glad to hear that Christine and family are doing okay. I was pretty concerened when I heard the news.

I'm really glad I don't live in the Pacific Northwest, and not because of the earthquake. I get enough of that her in SoCal. I mean because of the rain. Rained all last week, finally stopped on Friday, and now is supposed to be more starting tonight. Dang cold weather brought back my bronchititus worse than ever. Have been coughing so hard that I now know how an empty tube of toothpaste feels. :)

Has anyone else seen the latest Round Table Pizza commerical, or am I a day late and a dollar short yet again? Were my eyes playing tricks on me, or was that REALLY Thom Adcox-Hernandez that I saw? Isn't he such a cutie! :)

Well, time for more antibiotics and codine-laced cough syrup. I've missed the hell out of everyone. Just under 3 months to go till LA!!!!!!!
Katara - [garglover66f@hotmail.com]
San Diego, CA
Monday, March 5, 2001 10:47:08 PM
IP: ac87c7b1.ipt.aol.com

Lain> You're welcome to complain. This CR was built to complain, and rant, and whine, and "discuss" politics, have flame-wars, and I think to discuss TGS and "Gargoyles as well, but I'm not sure about the last two.

But we care about you, and will always be here to listen.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Monday, March 5, 2001 10:28:15 PM
IP: dialin-1646-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*winks at lain*
BRING ON THE MONKEY SEX!!!!! uh...did i just say that...that'll be a million hail mary's....damn....well now that i've opened the subject, anybody want to join us?? pikacho's going to be there!! COME ON....he's a celebe...geez people get with it!!!!
JULIEXIA
Monday, March 5, 2001 10:26:24 PM
IP: dynrez217-32-81.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

can I come in and complain some more?? do you mind??? do you REALLY mind???

So I have had a bad day. Do I want to go to sleep. So I get all climby and snugly in my bed with my comfy Pikachu (which has, I must admit, the comfiest snugly size ever imagined) and I'm just on the edge of la la land and what happens?????
a bunch of idiots come down the hall thumping on everyone's doors shouting "FLOOR MEETING FLOOOOOOR MEEEEEETING!!!!!!"
so I get up, thinking oh no what if it's something IMPORTANT and what is it about??? The residence formal. I dragged my bum out of bed to hear about the residence formal.. do I LOOK like I am going to a dance??? do I LOOK like I have someone to go with?? do I LOOK like I care if oh no my dress is the same as hers waaaaaaaah!!!!!? do I LOOK like I want to spend insane abounts of money on a hairdo for my practically nonexistant hair???? do I LOOK like I want to get drunk at a dance, rent a hotel room with some guy and HAVE A WHOLE PILE OF INSANE WILD MONKEY SEX????
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
DO I LOOK LIKE I CARE??????????
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AAAAAAARRRRRRAAAAAAHHHHHHGGGGG!!!!!!!!
GET ME THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont CARE anymore!!
oh no.. one too many posts today.. here comes the BOOT I can SEE it im having a vision of being kicked out of the CR here it comes...
bring it on people, bring it on..
lain
Monday, March 5, 2001 10:19:11 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Yikes, it happened again. Guess I should just wait a while and post in a big chunk. ;)

Jannie: The sales of trenchcoats rising after the Columbine shooting...I'm not surprised, and it's happened before. After OJ killed his those two people, sales of white Ford Broncos skyrocketed. That's just disgusting. But as a guy who wore trenchcoats YEARS before Columbine, it pisses me off when people immediately assume I'm a criminal just because of what I'm wearing. As I said earlier, it's a miracle I haven't been shot by a cop yet...
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 10:06:26 PM
IP: ppp122-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

Oops, this one appeared while I was writing my last post...

Coyote: Glad to hear you didn't resort to violence much. From what I experienced in school, I know there are times when you just want to club the bully like a baby seal. I think one of the reasons it's so frustrating is because they're only using words against you, taunting you and saying cruel things, but that often hurts worse than any physical blow--and it's made worse by the knowledge that you can't just haul off and punch the guy's lights out, because then you're seen as the instigator. I'm willing to use violence in self defense--as in, if there's a guy taking a swing at me with a baseball bat, I say all bets are off and it's time to put his ass down before I get trounced--but violence is not an option when it's just some jerk making cruel remarks. The experience I've had with this has turned me into the well-adjusted person you see now. ;)

This reminds me of something I read in Stephen King's "On Writing"--there was a bit in it about a couple of girls who were teased and harassed without mercy in their high school. They were very poor and couldn't buy new clothes, had to wear the same ones every day for the whole school year, etc. During the summer one of them bought new clothes and got a new hairdo and ended up looking pretty damn good. But the kids wouldn't allow her to escape from the mental prison they'd put her in, and they went after her even worse than before, and during the first day of school, the light in her eyes slowly died. A few years later, she committed suicide.

Because of things like this, I think anybody who makes it through school without killing themselves or anybody else deserves praise.
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:59:54 PM
IP: ppp122-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

Daniel and James> thanks! I had so many pet pictures that I decided to do their own page. There are lots more pictures of Juanita, but haven't had time to scan them yet.

Violence issue: While I agree 98% with that the movies, music, video games, etc. are not totally responsible for the violent behavior, it is a contributing factor. I do feel that the tendency for violence exists within some people no matter what - it makes me wonder if by listening, participating, playing violent video games, etc. encourage the loss of control. By emersing themselves in this "world" it becomes normal and accepted behavior. It becomes a way of life for them. They are desensitized to the point that they can no longer distinguish between right and wrong. But, this is not done by the violent lyrics, games, etc. alone. It's just a factor in the total warped equation of an unbalanced individual. To say that it is without cause or responsibility just isn't true. Music influences all of us. If you're depressed, can you listen to a sad song and not become sadder? If you're feeling good, can you listen to a happy and upbeat song and not feel even happier? If songs did not influence us, it would not be a successful industry.
Wearing trenchcoats immediately following the Columbine tragedy... it was symbolic. I think that administrators were more afraid that kids would be wearing them as an tribute or idolizing the murderers. I remember hearing that the sales of trenchcoats rose after the Columbine shooting... now how sick is that?
Violence in kids nowadays is out of control. There isn't just one single reason, but a combination of many. Lack of supervision, lack of respect for others, lack of morals and conscience behaviors, and lack of consequences (to name a few) and songs, games, movies that glorifies, condones or encourages violence definitely contributes.
Jannie
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:50:38 PM
IP: 209-144-251-23.hou.port.mytelco.com

Daniel: Oh, yes, I'm the one making personal attacks, eh? Well, you missed what happened some months ago, I guess. The people I commented about made personal attacks against me, but of course everyone seemed to think that was perfectly acceptable. My hostility comes from what was done to me, and what was allowed to happen, back then--as well as things I've seen done to other people in here. I'm not the kind of guy who turns the other cheek or just lets things like that slide.

What am I like after I have coffee? Pretty miuch the same, only a little more awake. ;)

lain: I'm not shrugging it off. I wasn't trying to get at the root of the problem, except to say that people should accept more responsibility for their actions instead of blaming movies and video games and articles of clothing. That's not shrugging anything off.
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:48:07 PM
IP: ppp122-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

**enters and offers his own prayers for the wounded and dead in San Diego**

Yep, it's time to play Spot the Scapegoat again. No matter what happens, it's we, the intelligent peaceful public who know when art is simply art, that will suffer because of the actions of a few choice morons and a hungry, cannibalistic media.

**sighs** Ah well ...

Beth H.: I hear ya about romance ... that's the only kind of literary sex that I can stomach, personally.
Incidentally ... you're taking a class in Japanese, right? Would ya be able to do me a teensy weensy favor one o' these days when ya have the time? I can e-mail you with the details in a moment here. :)

Stephen: Glad you're gonna use my advice. Take heed ... it's from one who knows. ;)

lain: Good story bit ... thanks for sharing it with us. (And for giving me and Milady Corax a small taste of the madness. ;)

Pissy: I hear ya about cruel kids in school. I experienced my fair share (and then some) ... but I never took it out on them as violence but once, and I regretted it that one time, enough to become the pacifistic person I am now. And hell, my mother was in the Navy, and when I was getting the worst of it she was a gate guard ... which means she got to handle *guns.* Fortunately enough she never brought her work home with her.
Oh, and about the trenchcoats ... a year after Columbine, I was able to purchase a black leather full-length trench (which I now wear daily). They figured out a while back that trnechcoats weren't the root of violence. Of course, if certain forces in the media had the brains God gave tapioca pudding, they'd have known this.

Ah well, that's all for me tonight. **hugs Lady Corax in return on his own way out**
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:39:51 PM
IP: 216.28.101.166

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Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:39:08 PM
IP: dialin-1646-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Okay, after 4.5 hours of classes (yes, this is my longest day of the week), I have come to the following conclusions: One, anyone can fall asleep in class, including the obnoxious person that sits in the front row and is really chummy with the Professor and gets amazing grades. All it takes is the right kind of weather. Two, rain can ruin your day, even if you were smart and left the house with an umbrella. I didn't get my midterm back today and I'm still bitter. Meanwhile, I spent nearly 1.5 hours working on a lab that I should have been able to finish in half the time. Argh. To top it all off, there's no food in my apartment which means I have to shlep to the grocery store. On the plus side, I finally squashed the bug in my program that's been bothering me all week. I am invincible!

Christine: Avmists ROCKS this quarter!

Daniel Johnson: you're gonna shell out the $600 for the GeForce3? I'd say you're nuts, but I'd do the same thing if I had a G4 tower...as it is, powerbooks for me for the rest of my life. TGS CD ALL THE WAY! How much do you want for one? Not that I couldn't make one myself with all the art and fics or whatever, but it would look so cool with a TGS logo CD label and stuff...ooh gathering momento!

<<Not errotic stuff that views girls and women as sex objects>>: How come only women complain about being treated like sex objects, while men all think it would be fun? Hell, I'd love to be treated like a sex object. Where do I sign up?

Cherry: congrats on ACT score...very impressive.

*****LONE GUNMEN SPOILERS******
Pathetic. I am so disappointed that words can ne'er express. What a blatant, cheesy ripoff of X-files. Everything was predictable. I'm with whoever said "let them stay supporting characters!" And does anyone else nitpick technical details? If so, then WTF was winch.cfg? I used windows for many years before switching, and a CFG file never actually DID anything. If its a show for geeks, then the technical writers should BE geeks, not people who have once watched someone use a computer.
****END LONE GUNMEN SPOILERS*****

****TGS SPOILERS******
This fully lived up to my expectations of a TGS episode, except for one thing: Delilah. Despite her genetic makeup, she has never struck me as a character impulsive enough to sneak aboard the plane to Japan. And why on earth did she tell Icarus she was the second? That just struck me as dumb, and possibly a forced foreshadow to conflict later. The whole lex-Kylie thing really amused me, I hope he can finally get some.
Has anyone noticed the potential for disaster with Goliath leading this whole thing? What's gonna happen when its revealed that he's shtooping a human (or whatever he's doing with her)? Or what about when they learn that Delilah is half-human? Not all gargoyles are as tolerant as Goliath. I'm hoping for some serious violence, but that's just me.
I have to confess that I don't think this season is as good as the previous two were. Maybe everyone's been on hiatus too long, and that's why. Episodes seem to be steering away from character development...completely. Perhaps this was why TGS eps were so much longer in the past: more character stuff. I think that, especially in an environment like a gargoyles World Council, we critically need character development. TGS of old seemed to be bunch of stories that never really closed until the end of season 2. Now we have "episodes", where each week we have a closed story that often draws no trace to the one in the previous week. Well, whatever. I'm not writing it, and it would probably be worse if I were.
*****END TGS SPOILERS********

DPH: Fortunately, I am immune to nanites. ::RASPBERRY:: Since I have the privelege of being me, I can do anything. Including take over the world AND manage it by myself. Sorry.

Winterwolf: Interesting OREO facts. I love oreos...

Random, incoherent thoughts about Shootings: I don't watch the news, so the CR is the first place I heard about this. Do you think if I went public and accepted all the blame for this tragedy (even though I'm not connected in anyway), then the media would back the hell off violent movies, music, and games? Please note, when I talked about "tips for being immortal", I meant literally living forever, not having some crappy reputation about you passed on for generations. If we blame "Doom" and "Quake" and stuff...do you think they'll stop making those games? I mean, aren't there enough of them?

I stand by the "tell the person who's causing you grief what you think of them" method of reducing anger. It worked well. Of course, I might have gone a little overboard when I completely demolished their egos and any academic self-confidence they might have had, but as far as I was concerned, high school was war. Now, I'm vented, and I've shot ZERO people to date. Even if you're picked on, you can get over it and step on your opponents. Maybe this is where my desire for world domination comes from.

To err is human, but to really f*ck things up you need a computer.
-PureEvil (TeenChatCenter)

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:25:52 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-254.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

OK, I'm going to start at the top this time and keep going until I'm tired. Why? Because I'm lazy. :P
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Spunky thinks he's a lap dog. Only problem is that he's 50 lbs.
It only just recently started to seriously snow here. I'm disappointed. But the ocean sure looked neat.
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Aww, lain. I'm sorry. I wish I knew what to tell you. Just don't ever give me your father's address because I'm likely to do something I'll regret. Now you're making ME want to visit you. :P
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SJ:
I agree completely with your take on violence. Violence in the media is not the cause of violence in real life; it's a symptom of our cultural attitudes. Eliminating it won't change anything, even if I don't really care for it. The same is true of guns. Of course, it doesn't help when these kids are messed up to begin with.
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*Takes a seat with lain and Valentine at the table*
Valentine:
Well, as someone who is anti-violence and anti-gun, I don't blame the media. The problem is within ourselves. See what I said above. Banning all the movies, games, and guns in the world isn't going to change anything until we change us.
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*Throws a big steak to Winterwolf* :)
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Aingeal:
Well, If there's something in particular you want, I could put it on a web page. I couldn't put up *everything*, but maybe a few at a time. Of course, if I ever get around to putting up my own server, I could have a proper site mirror. Another possibility is burning it onto a CD and mailing it. In fact, I've toyed with the idea of making a TGS CD for the Gathering. I don't know. What do other people think?
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lain:
No, you are not alone. :) But, "yellow polar fleece hot-pants?" Well, maybe you are alone with THAT. ;)
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Ed:
As always, wonderful comments. I can't really comment, but it does get more interesting.
<<I'm eagerly awaiting the chance to have my words [eaten] by a [charging] canine contingent>> I found this comment oddly amusing. Spunky, however, does not. But, then, he's just a dog.
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Pistoff:
My, you certainly don't hold back, do you? :) You're right that you should be allowed your opinions, but personal attacks against specific individuals makes me...uncomfortable. That's MY opinion. Please keep in mind that I'll say the same thing if someone attacks YOU. I just don't like it. There are better ways to make your point.

As far as fictional characters having fictional sex in fictional stories, I usually find it absurd or amusing. I'm rarely offended. There are far more offensive things in Real Life that worry me.

So, what are you like AFTER you've had your coffee? After your fifth coffee? >:)
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Jannie:
Great pictures! Now I'm gonna have to take more of mine. ;) He's conked out on the floor next to the bed. Lazy mutt.
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Well, I said I'd respond until I got tired. I'm tired. :)

Oh, and happy birthday Doug!
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:07:03 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-70-193.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Greg and Pissy>> that's all well and good to just shrug it off and say that "ooo it's because the kids were screwed up before" but that does NOTHING to solve the issue of WHY they were screwed up..
if you want to solve a problem, you have to dig and dig until you find the root and then yank it out.
in this case, I think the root is the lack of teaching and understanding these kids have about violence.
if you don't then that's fine but that is what I think
lain
msn is down, my head is killing me, so please forgive me yet another post tonight..
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:06:34 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

I have to say that I agree with Pistoff here. Anyone who goes on a killing spree is just crazy already. I've been picked on and tormented also, and the most I ever did was punch an individual in the face, and it took A LOT to get me to do even that.

But for the most part I try to find other ways to handle 'situations', usually Xanatosian ways to do so.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Monday, March 5, 2001 08:51:17 PM
IP: dialin-584-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

lain: That's not what I meant. I was saying that this was why *these particular kids* did what they did. I never meant to imply that *all* kids react the same way. Some of them just snap and start killing people. Others do something else when they snap. The ones who know right from wrong and simply have some brainpower don't grab a gun and start shooting people. The ones who go on a killing spree, as SJ said, are screwed up before it even happens.
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 08:41:50 PM
IP: ppp132-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

BTW SJ>> heck, I listen to Nine Inch Nails (when I want to CALM DOWN for heaven's sake), watch the Matrix, got stupidly good at killing people on Goldeneye (which was the only videogame I had ever played) I like guns, I like swords and other fun weaponry (lots of which I know how to use), I love karate, I watch Movies for Guys Who Like Movies on TBS, I watch war movies and various flavours of anime.
But I'm still a pacefist - I agree with you. I still have no real desire to carry a loaded weapon or much less to ever use it against another in anger or even in self defence.

*elbows SJ playfully in the ribs and winks*
(hey guys did you see that?? SJ and I agreed on something... mark it down somewhere... ;))
lain (again... I really need to cut down today.. or at leas post in a chunk..
bet you guys are gettin ticked off at me, sorry
Monday, March 5, 2001 08:20:22 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Pissy>> okay, now I don't agree..
If kids take out guns and shoot other kids at schools, I don't think it's becuase they were picked on and couldn't take it anymore.
I'm real sorry but *I* was picked on and harassed and hurt to the point of snappage in grade school, I had people do things to me that are mostly unmentionable in a comment room like this and they don't really matter anyway - because the point is I was raised to know not to hurt people.

No, I don't think it's the video games or movies or snapping youngsters or anything like that. I think these things are just a reflection of society. When kids watch these sorts of things and they think it's "cool" or heaven forbid "fun" it's easy for them to then start thinking that actually doing these things in Real Life is okay. If there is noone there to guide them away from these ideas, then they will come to a head and the crisis will explode.
In this age, there are far too many parents who use their televisions and video games as babysitters and substitutes for true human contact. Both parents out at work when the child comes home so what does the child do? turns on the TV. Maybe they see something like, say, the matrix, and there's noone to tell them it's not real and not okay.
It isn't the fault of the movies.. it's the fault of the poeple who aren't there to guide the children through the movies.
and the answer isn't to censor. The answer isn't to try to pretend that the world is teletubbies and rainbows and "lets all be friends" cos the world ain't like that.
the answer is to TELL KIDS WHAT'S GOING ON. the answer is to stick it in their faces and question them, guide them to know what's right, not shelter them and protect them cos when they get out into the real world, they won't be equipped to cope.
BTW I am a pacefist.
I watched the matrix and thought it was great. I have a trenchcoat and have observed that it gives me a certain feeling of POWER when I wear it.. I like it.
I was taught not to hurt people. for some reason I learned to feel violence in my own body when I see it in others. When I see someone get hurt, it hurts me. Heck, when I saw Urban Legends II (yes, I saw it, it was filmed in my hometown and my "friends" were in it) my hands ached for a week after that scene with the razor wire.. I mean.. they are hurting right now.
people need to know that it ISN'T OKAY TO HURT PEOPLE NO MATTER HOW ANGRY YOU ARE.
Kids need to be taught this.
sure, some will ignore this and hurt others anyway but the fault of what happens in these situations, I believe, is because the kids weren't raised to understand..
lain
Monday, March 5, 2001 08:06:54 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

I didn't hear about the latest shooting until I saw it being discussed in here. Christ, things like this are just going to keep on happening, especially since every time it happens, the media latches onto it and we have to hear about it every day for at least six months. Henry Rollins was right--"They're tabloid reporters wearing ties."

Gunjack: SJ's not the only one. I'm tired of people blaming TV or movies or video games for things like this. I do believe that seeing a lot of violence has a desensitizing effect--the more we see, the less it shocks us--but The Matrix did NOT cause those two dumbshits to shoot up their school.

The thing that gets under my skin about this is that when the shooting at Columbine happened, everybody wanted to blame a movie and trenchcoats for what happened. Trenchcoats were, in fact, banned at the high school I used to attend. Before the shooting, you could buy trenchcoats anywhere, here--just go into the Salvation Army store and you'd find several, or go into any other store to buy them. After Columbine, trenchcoats disappeared from all the stores here. When I delivered a pizza to the high school, one of the people in the office called my boss and bitched, saying I was scaring the students and that I wouldn't be allowed to deliver there again if I wore a trenchcoat (never mind the fact that the students and teachers I met in the hallways were very friendly and smiled and were very helpful in pointing me toward the room where the customer was waiting). And of course, whenever I get near a cop when I'm wearing that thing, the guy always watches me out of the corner of his eye and keeps his hand on his sidearm. Last week I delivered a pizza and a police car was parked next door, and when I turned around the cop was right behind me with his hand on his gun, looking at me like he wanted to shoot me "just in case." I'm sick of that crap.

Those people didn't pick up machine guns and blow a bunch of their classmates away because of a movie. They did it because they were picked on and couldn't handle it and finally snapped. Come on, everybody gets picked on in school. Kids can be far more cruel than adults, where tormenting one another is concerned.

As SJ said, this is no excuse for blowing a bunch of people away. I can certainly understand the desire for revenge. I can understand how you'd want to really do a number on somebody who has caused you pain or made your life difficult. But shooting 'em isn't the way to go. I've found that just sitting down and playing Duke Nukem or Redneck Rampage or whatever helps get a lot of the hostility out of my system. ;) (BTW, I love the "sv_gravity" cheat code in Quake--you can do some really bitchin' Matrixy things... :D) Or if you just can't take it anymore, simply telling the source of your problems exactly what you think of him/her is a good way to vent. But come on, shooting a bunch of people and then killing yourself is just plain stupid. And so is blaming it on a movie or video game.
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 07:37:54 PM
IP: ppp120-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

I was wondering if brooklyn was to ever get a girlfreind and same for broadway and lexington, I mean their like teenagers that have been in stone for one thousand years or maybe more, and after meeting all those other gargoyles they couldn't find a girl. Well I just wanted to say if they needed for some girl to play for his gal I would have most likely stepped right in.:D
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Monday, March 5, 2001 07:34:03 PM
IP: 1cust125.tnt5.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

I was wondering if they were ya know in love, becuase they are getting pretty dull when it comes up to that. like how when their about to kiss or hug something happens and breaks them up to just friends. And lastly which episode does Elisa kiss goliath?

P.S. brooklyn is my fav character ;)
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
glendale, Arizona, USA
Monday, March 5, 2001 07:30:22 PM
IP: 1cust125.tnt5.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

hey guys guess what??

I just called up my father on the phone to tell him that I got something in the mail from a guy faraway who thinks I am worth enough that he would send me a beautiful gift and a CD and a book ALL THE WAY FROM FREAKIN NORWAY and he says "that's nice now did you get those income tax forms yet, have you checked your grades lately hey, where is that Dances With Wolves CD of yours, I want to give it to my girlfriend"
me "well the CD should be by the player in the family room"
him "I looked there where have you put it?"
me "I don't live there, I haven't put it anywhere, it was there the last time I saw it"
*dad finds the CD but doesn't apologise*
him "so why haven't you gotten those marks yet"
me "because I honestly dont want to because I probably failed that course and I have enough to deal with right now without having to think about that hanging over my head thankyouverymuch"
him "I don't think you deserve all the hard work I have to do for you I'm out there busting my butt for you everyday and what's the thanks I get? you failing courses"
me "I dont know if I failed it or not I just don't want to think about it right now okay? I phoned you up to tell you that I was happy and had a friend who loved me and all you're doing is giving me an earful - which is what happens every time I try to talk to you"
him "I don't care Im not going to spend this kind of money on an education for someone whose just going to waste it and doesn't give a damn"
me "..okay then don't"
him "dont you give me a smart arse answer like that when you can come up with a single intelligent thing to say.."
me "no dad.. don't. If you don't want to spend it and I don't want to be here just DONT"
him "yeah right and what are you going to do instead you have no skills"
me "at this point, I think id rather work at mcdonalds, thank you"
him "like I said when something intelligent comes out of your mouth it will be a grand day"
*click hang up*

*cuddles pikachu plushie and cries, wondering if she'll ever get away*

hey and I even got hit by a car today and smacked my head on the sidewalk, as if my day wasn't good enough.

and no, I'm not going to call my father back because I refuse to let him win this time and make me come crawling back begging for his forgiveness. Sorry not this time. *wonders how long her resolve will last and how tight the choke collar really is..*
and yes I am proud, Gunjack, I know this is an action of pride, though in my stupidity and weakness I know I will probably be right back on the pnone as soon as I finish this post because I looooove to twist myself into the mould that everyone makes for me.

how do I get away from this?
how do I survive what this is doing to my already-miserable sense of self? can I get any lower than this?
I don't have the courage to run and even if I did.. I have nothing to run TO.. but I can see the end of the track coming up and if I don't get off soon I know I'm gonna go over the edge..

*pats pikachu and compulsively folds more cranes*
lain
Monday, March 5, 2001 07:30:10 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Sevarious Jr> I agree. Manson isn't being evil to intentionally make people do that but yet he knows it is evil yet does such things anyhow (and yes I know it is for entertainment)
James Birdsong
Token sane guy
Monday, March 5, 2001 07:22:45 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-37.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Gside: Your right.
I am ATTEMPTING to get MSNIM working.
I fear my proxy server may not allow me to use this. I have sent to gside42@hotmail.com, but I am not even sure it got past my server.
E-Mail, maybe?

Fire Storm
Monday, March 5, 2001 07:00:22 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

This one's for Gunjack. ;)

I think everyone can agree that what happened in San Diego was a tragedy.

But yeah, I stand by my belief that it's not the entertainment industry that causes kids to kill one another. This kid was picked on all the time, they're saying? Does that give him the excuse to go blow someone away? Of course not. But it does show us why he did what he did--he killed them because he obviously wanted revenge, and felt that this was the way to do it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if you want to kill somebody, you're screwed up to begin with. It's irrelevant if you love listening to Marilyn Manson, or the Matrix is your favorite movie. If you pick up a gun and blow somebody away, it's you making that decision, not Marilyn Manson (sorry James, you can't point fingers at him).

Look at Japan. We've used that analogy before. Japan has an entertainment industry that is AT LEAST twice as violent and sexually motivated than our own. In America, you hardly ever see animation or regular movies for that matter that depict girls being raped by tentacled demons, but in Japan it's prevalent. But in Japanese culture, the rate of homicides and rape is very low compared to our own country, even though their media is more saturated with sex and violence. It's a cultural thing. I love America, but I gotta admitt, we're a nation of bruisers, always looking for a fight. Even with ourselves.

So I wouldn't blame folks like Marilyn Manson, or games like Doom, or movies like the Matrix, etc. If I were to blame someone in the media, I'd blame the news agencies and news networks. Because look at Columbine--those two little assholes are IMMORTAL now. They were nothing, they got picked on in school, and in one day they go from being nobodies to being forever remembered as the butchers of Columbine. And they knew it. They knew that the media would sensationalize what they did, and immortalize it. This kid probably felt the same way. Hell, he was bragging to his friends about it, for Christ sakes.

The really sad thing about this is that, in the days to come, there will be a lot of finger pointing, and a lot of defending, but the bottom line is that when you cut through all the crap, 2 kids are dead. That's all that matters.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, March 5, 2001 06:33:19 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Fire Storm> Do you have AIM (gside42) or MSNIM (gside42@hotmail)? People might start getting annoyed if we keep putting up these constant quick replies.
Anyway the next one is up (the two together are too large).
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, March 5, 2001 06:14:07 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Gside: Thanks! Got them!
Fire Storm
Monday, March 5, 2001 05:45:55 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

*places three white cranes on the Tea Table of Peace and joins Gunjack Valentine in silent prayer*
lain
Monday, March 5, 2001 05:07:24 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

howdy all,

Current TGS episode> Since this is one I wasn't directly involved in I'm free to comment. I'll give an in-depth one later. The thing that most stuck in my mind is how flat Goliath has become. He seems to run in two modes: growling indignation or forgettable speechifier. (I know I made up that word) But I'll expand more on that later.

Adult material> I'm sorry I came so late to this discussion, most of the good stuff has already been said. Bottom line, if you don't like it and choose not to read, watch or write it, you're ahead of the game. Similiar if you do like it and choose to read, watch, etc. The thing that I've noticed is that maybe censorship and things in similar mood may not be trying to change how the individual think, but how the group thinks. The individual has rights whereas the group does not.

Can't stay, finals in a week and I must study. Toddles.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 05:07:23 PM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

Fire Storm> You want it, you got it. First two up now.
Na zdrorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, March 5, 2001 04:50:45 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

*Valentine enters, carring two white candles. He walks over to the Tea Table of Peace, and gently sets then side by side in it's center.*

Two dead, Fourteen wounded. I'm just wondering who'll end up losers in the Blame Game this time. I've got two to three odds of being responsible, since I support both firearms and violent video games.

Someone will probably point out how foolish it is to blame this sort of thing on music, entertainment, media, and so forth. Someone always does. *JS s'ti ruof ot evif*
I'm not so sure anymore. Anyone up for debate?

In any case...

*lights the candles, and prays under his breath*

...May they find peace.
Gunjack "Death's Head" Valentine
Monday, March 5, 2001 04:50:13 PM
IP: 216-146-183-133.bwn.net

Hi everybody. Tonight is a big night. I might have decent internet access again. Better than the 28.8 I�ve been averaging when I can get on. ^_^

Christine> Good luck on the latest submission. Cheers on getting through the quake in one piece.

Dreamie> <quake> I�m relieved to hear you are okay. Shaken but not stirred right? ;) **imagines there will be retaliation for that** <Starbucks> Starbucks took the brunt of it? Sounds like maybe Jaun Valdez was involved. Mmm Columbian coffee. <quake again> Seriously I�m happy it wasn�t too bad.

Niamhgold> <Caribbean cruise> Woo! You have a smashing good time on the cruise. Watch out for those pesky icebergs. I�ll trade stories and pictures with you on summer vacations. BTW - You can bet I�ll be looking for your artwork this summer! ;) Oh and you are long overdue an email from me! Stay tuned. ^_^

Gside> <ice> You got it! Well I�m a little preoccupied with the white stuff these few days but that�s no reason to skimp on a prize. **stops at the Stage Deli and picks up a huge sandwich for Gside on a table in the CR and marks it with a sign reading Gside** You should know what it is already! ;D

Emambu> <snow update> I hope to have some decent snowfall by tomorrow. So far it�s barely enough to crunch my hind paws in! <ice> So close but Gside beat ya! Here�s a consolation prize. **puts a pitcher of milk in the fridge and leaves out a huge tray of Oreo cookies stacked up to the ceiling** You can share if you want to. ;D

Now Oreo cookie info for no reason at all: ;P

° The creme filling used in one year could ice all the wedding cakes served in the United States for two years! That's 4,724,000 three-tier wedding cakes.
° If every OREO cookie eaten in a given year were dunked, cows would have to work overtime to produce the extra 42.2 million gallons of milk needed to accommodate the extra dunkers.
° If every OREO cookie ever made were stacked on top of each other (over 362 billion), the pile would reach to the moon and back more than five times.

Lain> Nice to hear things are looking up now. :)

Lady Mystic and FireStorm> For all the CR updates both of you deserve many cheers and thanks! Thank you! :)

Caliope> <theft> Ack! Oh Cali! **FURRY COMFORT HUGZ** That�s terrible! :( <bad week> **FLUFFY FEEL BETTER HUG** Well I hope that�s all in the past and you get back to good happy luck. <art class> Ah. Maybe one day you could show off your artwork. I�m sure it is great! **HUGZ**

Greg �Xanatos� Bishansky> Maybe it would work better if you use SGT DAER. Just a thought. ;)

That�s all for now. Remember to feed the CR wolves! ;P

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Monday, March 5, 2001 04:44:17 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Aingeal> Sure but don't cut my head off is all I ask
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Monday, March 5, 2001 04:42:27 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-37.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Ed> You'll have to wait and see for certain developments. Nothing is ever forgotten. TGS just has the luxery of not having to worry about executives telling us whether or not there will be another season, so we can pace ourselves all we want.

But never think we don't have it covered.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 5, 2001 04:24:18 PM
IP: dialin-584-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Okay... does anyone have a suggestoin how I can start trying to read the episodes? I've got a lil problem here... i'm at school, and in the name of "protecting the students" we'rve got a filter up blocking sites by category, such as Gargoyles, listend as "Adult Content" Cna I kill someone? PLEASE!
anyway.. have to run.. later
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades, annoyed, Cold
Monday, March 5, 2001 03:41:58 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

*enters and hugs Pistoff gently and carefully (please don't eat me..)*

no worries from here, I still love you, even though I'm not going to state if I agree or disagree with what you say about sex/porn/erotica.. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I can see you're not trying to censor or offend and I hope others can too. *smiles a little*
I think that me joining in a public conversation about sex would just... NOT be a good idea... *shudders*

*kisses Pistoff's forehead and slides away from him before he gets nervous and wants to bash her in the head*

I'm having a good day by the way.. I spent all of last night, till a good 5am or so, having a vicious argument with Gunjack Valentine.. yahoo.. and I feel like CRRRRAAAAAPPPPP!! mmm crap-a-licious.

and before you start hauling out the ammunition against him, I totally deserve it and when there are arguments, it isn't ALWAYS the male party that is to blame..
I just kinda wish my epiphinies didn't hurt so much.. and weren't so personal.. or that I had something left in my soul that I could hide from him in order to feel safe..

being naked and cold isn't so much fun..

*sighs*

"say a prayer for me
help me to feel the strength I did
my identity, has it been taken?
is my heart breaking?"

*goes into a corner of the CR, opens a sachel of paper squares and begins folding paper cranes in the corner*

no wait...
there is a package come in the mail...
brb..

*enters with big box from Norway:D*
mmm this has to be the biggest Pikachu in the universe *cuddles new plushie Pikachu*
mmmmm... ooo and it matches my yellow polar fleece hot-pants I am wearing today too mmm..
wow...

I might be scum but people still love me... I am thinkin this has to start counting for something....

love and thank you so much..
lain, not so alone..
Monday, March 5, 2001 03:19:29 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

GARGOYLES: �THE COUNCIL� PART ONE

***Comments & Spoilers***

The idea of a council of gargoyles seemed to me horrifically unwieldy. Five years, maybe six as best I can tell, after the Manhattan clan awoke alone in the world, they�re hooking up in a big convention with international gargoyles. Don�t get me wrong, I understand the circumstances: the gang has three times been forced out into the big wide world in the Avalon journeys, the Timedancing adventures and the post-Unseelie reconnaissance. They�re also uniquely placed to actually make these contacts, thanks to the resources of Xanatos. Yes, I can see how it makes sense, after a fashion.

But that�s not to say I agree with it. The time scale is still rushed, and there are still massive cultural obstacles as well as that of trust etc. Leave alone the fact that all of the clans may not be even known to the gargoyles. We�ve got the Manhattan, Labyrinth, Avalon, London, Ishimura, Chinese, Caledonian, Guatemala, Antarctic, New Olympian and Persian clans. Eleven � more than Greg suggested would be in place by 1996 as I recall. It�s a pity that the clan�s hand has been tipped so quickly. Still, given that I find the concept disappointingly premature, I was pleasantly surprised with �THE COUNCIL�.

We�ve got a lot of material of promise. The Manhattan�s clan case is all very well and good for them, but totally impractical to say nothing of dangerous for the rest of the clans � in their lifetimes at least. It�s good to see that the Chinese contingent are able to press the case, and I thought it was nice that Mei Hsing was a true opposite to Goliath: calm, considered but isolationist and � unfortunately � more realistic. The other clan�s representatives were interesting. Gabriel and Ophelia didn�t figure very much, nor did Zafiro or Kai; but Kylie was brilliant in her influence, and the plot with Darius, although perhaps something of a last-ditch cliffhanger certainly is fascinating. The character needs more development, but what�s to be expected with a massive council of gargoyles where only a few have been given separate focus previously. Cole and Aurora were fun as well � it was fun to see a younger leader�s perspective.

The two new friendships, both perhaps disappointing in having romantic subtexts, a pretty obvious way of creating links. Still, Lexington and Kylie were hilarious and the link between Delilah and Icarus was sweet. It must be said, I don�t wholly trust Icarus and my first thought was that it would be a shapeshifter. But I�m starting to think this isn�t the case, which relieves me since it would be quite an obvious way to proceed. The mystery surrounding the Persian contingent and the shock arrival of Demona carries far more punch.

Although it�s still not knock-out. TGS still seems to be fizzing but not exploding. The argument was promising but there didn�t seem to have the guts to really go very far. There are no openly aggressive opponents to Goliath. The characters frown at each other and look all huffy but nothing to really shake the boat up. Let�s face it, even the Unseelie War was approached with all the suave delicacy of an English gentleman�s tea party, seldom ever allowing itself to smash the tip-toeing Chamberlainesque involvement in war aside to turn the tables with the vigour of Frank Bruno. Yes, the death of Umbriel and George was nicely done, and some of the other events were fun. But after the rollercoaster first season with �CONSEQUENCES�, �TURNCOAT�, �SOMETHING WICKED� and �REPRISALS� having the unpredictability of a rabid pit bull terrier whose �Pedigree Chum� was doused in vodka, recent twists seem more like a Jack Russel yapping and the postman from his kennel.

There�s promise. The degeneration of Lexington�s chips, the friction re-established between the Trio and the dramatic, if short-lived, encounter between Angela and Demona all looked like they were going to explode into something interesting. As of yet though, it�s all been quiet on the Western Front. Lexington has reclaimed his mantle from Angela for being the character of this season it seems to me: he�s in a large number of episodes and almost always in a prominent position. Goliath meanwhile seems to be broadly a character who sits in full view but still doesn�t yet have much dynamism in the episodes themselves. Angela�s bruise at the hands of Demona could have opened a floodgate but relations have been left to cool for a while. And Thailog? Well, he�s moving onwards and upwards but has yet to present a plan to rival the old classics from Xanatos and Maddox. TGS just hasn�t followed through on its early promise yet this season: as soon as it looks like it�s going to do something shocking, it waits and has the characters hanging around worrying about what they�re going to do, or being pally with one another for a little while.

The TGS universe is now aligned beautifully with human-gargoyle relationships platonic where possible even with the presence of the most ardent of human and gargoyle haters, and the clans fundamentally are still nice and democratic and into discussion. I�m really looking to this Darius and Demona thing to be its fall.

Don�t get me wrong: the story is great, one of the best of the season. Most of the characters are down perfectly (although the lifting of dialogue from the original series seems forced and cheapens it a bit). The interaction is a mix of funny and dramatic. The plots are interestingly and to an extent intriguing. I loved the way characters like Vinnie, Xanatos and Coyote were used. It�s just that it�s a major chapter in a series and hasn�t got that vodka-charged rabid pitbull quality. Not yet anyway.

By next week of course, I�m eagerly awaiting the chance to have my words eating by a charged canine contingent when the extremely promising second part of �THE COUNCIL� is released. I can�t wait�
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Monday, March 5, 2001 03:15:57 PM
IP: ac9ece70.ipt.aol.com

Well, isn't this a fun topic. I myself follow the Greg Weisman phylosophy that there is brilliance as well as sh!t in every genre. Nothing to do with genres, but bad writing is bad writing. Thankfully the "Gargoyles" fandom is full of brilliant writers :)

But each and every one here is entitled to their opinion, and I'm not going to tell you that yours is wrong, I just don't agree with it.

::Goes forth to spread the wisdom and brilliance of Greg Weisman to the corners of the Earth, and by that he means that he's introducing his 3-year old cousin to "Gargoyles"::

Well, I'm getting pounded with snow, huge blizard it seems. Oh well, I guess that means I can sleep in again tommorow.

Before I go, I just want to say... READ TGS!!!
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:16:14 PM
IP: dialin-584-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Watch out, I'm feeling rotten to the core today. ;) BWAHAHAHAHA!

Well, well. I went online to post my latest fic, and took a peek in here and saw a bit of discussion about hentai/porn/erotica/whatever you want to call it, it's all the same thing. And the funny thing is, I'm not the one who brought it up. ;) A shame I was so worn out last night that I wasn't up to posting anything. Well, this morning it's a different story. ;) Stand back, because I'm taking no prisoners....

SJ: You're not the only one who's been called a "prude" after commenting on this subject. I've been called other things as well, such as "high and mighty"--never mind the fact that the people who write erotica are constantly patting themselves on the back and acting as if they're more highly evolved than the rest of us. In fact, one of the suggestions that someone made was that I don't like erotica because I'm not "secure in my sexuality." Which is fascinating because the person who said this seems to have a very blatant, extreme incest fetish. ;)

This topic was discussed on my own message board a few months ago, as I'm sure you remember, and boy, that place hasn't been as much fun since those days. So much BS was being thrown around--"It's challenging!" and "We deal with the emotions!"--it was just hilarious. Challenging? Please. The real challenge is to write a good, intelligent story without resorting to cheap tricks, to think up something that is actually worth the reader's time instead of just spewing out filler material whose only purpose is to make the readers horny. Vividly describing every stroke and thrust of one character banging the bejeezus out of another character is NOT challenging--it's the "author" (using the term loosely) taking the easy way out instead of writing a REAL story.

Dealing with the emotions? Come on. Showing Broadway worrying about Angela when she's in danger--THAT'S dealing with emotions. Showing one character comforting another over the death of a loved one--THAT'S dealing with emotions. Showing one character banging another's brains out and both of them screaming and gasping things like "Oh yes! Oh yes!"--that's NOT dealing with emotion. Remove a scene like that from a story and nothing happens at all, except probably the pace of the story increases rather than grinds to a halt.

What amazes me is people's refusal to admit that they're just writing jack-off material. Maybe some of them actually believe that they're on the same level as Hemmingway or Shakespeare, but they're just kidding themselves, and worse, they're kidding everybody else. It's amusing to see certain people patting themselves on the back and getting ego trips from this stuff. Look, there simply is no comparison between Bradbury or Ellison and somebody who writes crap about a woman being raped and enjoying it, or someone who writes porn based on The Lion King or some other children's cartoon. Harlan Ellison will be remembered for his commentary and his intelligent, thought-provoking (not to mention award-winning) stories. A certain author we all know will be remembered (at least by the few who have even heard of her) for her Lion King and Gargoyles porn. And, of course, the Scooby Doo story. 'Nuff said.

I've been told that art is in the eye of the beholder. Well, I agree with what Dennis Miller once said--"Sh!t is sh!t, no matter how you frame it."

And before anybody talks about how I "keep bringing this up"--remember, if you should be allowed to write this crap, then I should be allowed to state my opinion about it. That's what freedom of speech is all about. I'm not trying to censor anything, I'm merely saying what I think about all of this. Go ahead and write crap if you want, but I have absolutely no respect for anyone who does so and tries to pass themselves off as literary giants. None whatsoever.

Oh, gee, now people will be wanting to ban me, just as a certain person said "If I were the room administrator, I'd ban you IMMEDIATELY!" to Paul Nathans just because he had a negative opinion about one person's writing. I wouldn't be surprised if a certain someone tries to manipulate everybody else into piling on top of me, just as she manipulated everybody into ganging up on Nathans. I saw that whole mess, and boy, did the true colors show through then. I have a feeling that such a tactic might not work as well a second time. ;) Whatever. I'm ready for it. Take your best shot. ;>

Well, then, before the flames and threats start, I'll get to a few replies... ;)

Kit: Don't want to live forever, eh? I wouldn't mind it. ;) Or at least, living several centuries. Life is too brief as it is, and many people never accomplish everything they set out to do. There are times when I feel as if most of my life has been wasted...it wasn't until just a couple of years ago that I went online for the first time, and a whole new world opened up, and I was suddenly able to reach out and affect people's lives (hopefully for the better in most cases, for the worse in a few others ;), and people all over the world were able to enrich my life. That was when I truly started living, instead of merely existing. So I wouldn't mind having a couple of centuries... ;)

As far as replacement body parts go...well, I can see these becoming common within a few decades. Implants have already been developed that enable deaf people to hear and blind people to see (admittedly on a rudimentary level). I'm looking forward to things like this. Hey, I'd spring for a pair of eyes like Jack's. ;)

I'll leave it to other people to speculate on the affect this technology will have on the porn industry. ;)

Warpmind: Yeah, it's unlikely that I'll make it to G01. The upcoming ones after that...it's still iffy. But I'll make it to one of those as soon as I can. Heh...a verbal duel, eh? Wouldn't that be something. ;) Maybe someday. Bring some asbestos earplugs. I haven't been compared to Spider Jerusalem for nothing. ;D

Fire Storm: Yep, finally got a computer that'll last for more than a year or two (I hope ;). It's an HP Pavilion 7850. It might fit into an ammo box...but then, the case it has now looks pretty nifty. :)

SJ again: Building melting, eh? Tee hee hee...well, you never know. ;) If I meet certain individuals face to face, the building just might melt from the sheer force of my hatred. If you see a bald son of a bitch in a black duster and combat boots walk into the lobby, keep your eyes on the ceiling in case it starts to turn runny and drip. ;) Oh, the fun we could have...they'll chase us out at gunpoint and send a SWAT team after us, but it'll be glorious. >:D

Fat Albert: the Movie: <whimper> ...nooooooooo...

Fire Storm again: $3 a day, eh? Well, there are other factors besides cost keeping me here. Such as, I can't afford the time off work (they've had me working four days a week, and next week it drops to three). But damn, I'd love to go someday. So many people to bitch-slap, so little time... ;) But then... <<Hmm... ya know, maybe it's worth it to pay you two NOT to come! ;)>> Heh heh...some people would probably think so. Even though one of them has been going out of her way to make nice...as if she thinks I'll still want to be friends after she turned on me and made false accusations against me in public (yeah, I'm still pissed about that--I'm not a "forgive and forget" kind of guy). So, the only reasons I'd go would be to a) hang out with the friends I've made, and b) raise some holy hell with the people who have screwed me over in the past. :D Bring an umbrella, just in case the building really does melt. ;)

Doug: Sorry to spoil your fun with the black hole thing. ;) As for suitable ways to go...I don't really have anything specific in mind, except that whenever I die, I hope I die with my middle finger extended. >:)

Kit again: I forgot to mention this. Yeah, I'm managing to survive on $500 a month. Barely. Just because I'm staying with my mother, who's almost an invalid--her legs are screwed up because of diabetes--and I help her out with stuff around the house. My pay averages $500/month...sometimes 550, rarely 600. (I cringed when I saw my W2 for last year--I earned a total of $10,166.99 ... and that was gross pay, so the amount I actually deposited in the bank was far less.) Now, the average rent for a one-bedroom apartment here is $400/month, and that's just for the crappy little ones. The house I'm in is $335/month, but that's because it was built on a landfill and is sliding down the hill...you can actually see the floor tilting...and it's so small that I can't take two steps without knocking over a pile of stuff that I don't have anyplace to store. Add to that my car payment, which is $138 a month, car insurance which is almost $90 per month, various other bills totalling a couple hundred a month, and the credit card I used to buy the computer (already over $200/month before the purchase)...

So, maybe this'll shed a little light on why I'm so angry all the time... ;)

Macs vs. PCs: I always use a PC. I had to use a Mac in high school, when I lived in Winston, OR--and I couldn't get the damn thing to do anything I needed it to do. The first time I used a PC, I hit the ground running. <shrugs> Just my personal preference....

Something interesting I saw on the news yesterday: A guy who impersonated Tiger Woods and got credit cards in his name and ran up $17,000 in charges, is facing life in prison for his crime. LIFE IN PRISON!!! Let's analyze this--OJ Simpson murders two people and gets away with it, yet some guy pretends to be Tiger Woods and could be sentensed to LIFE in prison?!?!?! Ladies and gentlemen, is that not one of the most screwed-up things you've ever heard?!

Well, that's all for now. I need coffee...
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 01:18:50 PM
IP: ppp98-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I did it *AGAIN!*

I deleted ALL of my Ranma Season 2! And I was RE-downloading it because I deleted it the first time!

That's it. I quit.

Gside.... could I get season 2 from you? ;)

I swear... I should know by now... NOT to use SHIFT delete.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 01:12:43 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

**DPH looks around and decides to make a comment.**

Imzadi - Good thing I slipped some nanotechnology into your cybercookie. The nanites are guaranteed to ensure that you can NOT succeed in taking over the world and manage it WITHOUT help.

Always do complete scans of cybercookies before eating them.

Hmm. I could not sleep last night and after I drank a glass of milk last nigh, I realized why: I was hungry. I still got to work on my supper I bring to work. I just hope adding mini-pizzas does the trick for me. Currently, I have been eating, corn nuts, a granola bar, a nutty bar, one sandwitch, and carrots for that time period. Unfortunately, I have been waking up early.

**DPH decides to measure his pole for do-not-touch items.**

1+1=3

3-d user interface - If I developed one and it caught on, guess how long it before MS decided to clone it? Besides, if I tried to design one, it would end up being TOO flexible. You see, I just do not like the idea of limits on anything. I would like to have a version of 'Descent' where you could go back in time just to escape the blowing up of the base. Naturally, that would make the game so much more complex.

**BFTS RP continues**
The VR technology is disengaged as DPH wakes up. "Where am I? How did I get here? Is NCA really defeated?" asks DPH.
**END BFTS RP for now**

**RP RELATED**
By the end of THIS week, 99% of ITAG will be revealed.
**END RP RELATED**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, March 5, 2001 12:56:46 PM
IP: max1-3.cwy.cei.net

Aiengeal> ?:-) Jannie> Nice pet pictures
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, March 5, 2001 12:09:18 PM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

Wel... James Birdsong has my vote for saint of the year. Ya know.. i never thought I'd meet a guy that had such good control over human sex drive.. my hat goes off to you. ::chuckles wryly:: (My feelings could also come from the fact that I'm sick of being hit on by random people.)
anyway.. food is calling... later.
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Lost, and , Cornfuzzled
Monday, March 5, 2001 11:43:32 AM
IP: 207.42.162.187

Daniel> awwww how sweet! Your dog looks just like I imagined he would :) I don't think it's pathetic, I've linked my "pet page" - click on my name to see my other children. *L*

Aaron> *chuckles* you really don't believe all of that, do you? The 5,000 erroneous votes?? Who says that they didn't really want to vote for Buchanan? Yes, maybe a few idiots couldn't read the ballot properly, but overall, there is no proof that ALL of the Buchanan votes were not intended for him. The other counties that haven't been recounted - aren't they majority Republican? Don't forget the military absentee votes that were thrown out... those are historically republican too ;) Voters being turned away? yeppers... I saw a black gentleman in an interview that said that he was forced to leave w/out voting - he was going to vote for Bush.
Thank goodness this mess is over with and we can move on... unfortunately there will always be people who claim corruption - even though there has never been one ounce of proof. Not even a smoking gun.

My trip to Missouri was quick and yet pleasant - once the circulation began back into my butt! Long trip, indeed.
I found a house to buy once I've moved there - very nice! =) 3brdm/2bath, finished basement (Michael's living quarters) and lots of storage space!! The yard is 2 lots large, too :) I'll only need to update the house and add a screened in porch on the back. I can see my parents' house from my backyard....which is going to be nice. (they live in a neighborhood next to this one) I'm excited and even more motivated to complete my current house and get it sold as quick as possible.

Porn: *agrees with SJ* 'nuf said (SJ> you crack me up *L*)

I need some input/suggestions, please.
Anna has started becoming involved in gaming/RP'ing again. This is what started the problems before she ran away - she became involved in a not so proper RP. To be more accurate, it was LARP and they all had/have a hard time separating role playing and reality. The group that she is now participating in is a different group of people, but I'm not sure if they are any better than the last group. She played there on Friday and didn't return home until dawn and then wanted to go again last night. I said no. I can tolerate it once a weekend, but I feel as if more than that is too much... am I being too strict? I realize that she is 20 years old and can do what she pleases, but I do think that as long as she lives in my home, there are certain "rules" that I will have. Am I being reasonable?
eesh, parenting is so hard sometimes =\
I know that some games can take all night - Denis spends all night sometimes with his RPG and I can understand that... I guess what I'm having problems with is the frequency of them.
eeps.. help!
Jannie - [<-- Pet page]
Monday, March 5, 2001 11:23:00 AM
IP: 209-144-251-212.hou.port.mytelco.com

Warpmind>(shows the document) I'm sane. My view on sex is not a typical male but the typical male isn't sane. If you meant the milk well I have drinken buttermilk and I don't like the taste sorry. Council part 1> Good episode TGS staff
James Birdsong
Token sane guy
Monday, March 5, 2001 11:17:58 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

*Warpmind frowns at James.*
Uh... oh-kay... I'll be needing to see your papers... we need to see proof that you deserve the "Token Sane Guy" tagline. ];) (But seriously, I think you went a BIT too far there..)

Warpmind out.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, March 5, 2001 10:58:10 AM
IP: mp-217-212-57.daxnet.no

****Kyryn ducks into the room****

Artwork is now included in the latest episode.

Pics have also been added for "The Happiest Place on Earth"

Later all!

****Kyryn ducks out.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, March 5, 2001 10:51:01 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Caliope>(hugs back) Warpmind> Lactose free milk tastes like buttermilk bleh. Sex> I'm virgen by choice. I never read porn or masterbate. I think ugly women are ugly especially bigger breast ones. Don't make me puke. Sex should only be done to make children. Lust is a sin. I never get horney
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, March 5, 2001 09:21:37 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-65.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*Warpmind enters, grumpy.*
Well, my website is down... due to copyrighted material, apparently. *Grumble* I'll complain - presumably, it was the matter of the mp3s I uploaded for the duration of the weekend... :(

Doug: Happy Belated!

Anonymous Person: Glad this was resolved... Thanks for bringing a little more light into Lain's world. :)

Fire Storm: Particular part of the country? Well... *Smug look at Lynati* Not really my decision in the long run. ;) As for Cyrix being out of business: that's news to me. And a surprise. After all, last I heard, Cyrix was optimized for Windows... *Shrug* Just proves there IS justice in the world afterall. ]:)

Gside: My friend, the Boo Yaka is yours. And let me emphasize: I Will Not Give Up My Old Games. Heck, I probably have a couple hundred old games on just ONE CD of mine. And then there are the original CD-ROM games, which are on a few dozen discs more... Love DOS games. Can't find more universally stable, fun games than old DOS games. (Note that newer games have generally better graphics, but the old stuff generally(!) has better playability...)

Mac/PC debate: I for one will stick to the PC. Primarily due to my games. And I enjoy the two-button+wheel mouse. (I have a strange hunch that that model was designed by a woman, as a tutoring tool for shy nerds, though... But that's just my guttermind roaming free, as usual...)

Aingeal: No offense, I just prefer Intel ot AMD, as a general rule. I'm not saying Intel is better by default. :) (Oh, and if it helps, you're not the only person with a mad processor - my 486SX 33MHz processor actually successfully runs the game Birthright: The Gorgon's Alliance, which has a minimum requirement of 486DX4 100MHz. My computer eats natural laws for breakfast...)

Daniel Johnson: Yes, you're pathetic. But, at least it's a socially acceptable kind of pathetic. ;)

Lain: If it wasn't for that little bit of water that blocks my path, I'd come visit, too. ;)

Aingeal again: M'dear, blood matters none. As Jake Stonebender said, the important things to pass on to the next generation are not found in the genes, anyway. ;)

James Birdsong: Lactose intolerance is no excuse for not drinking milk. There is lactose-free milk on the market. Heck, there's lactose-free ANY dairy product on the market, I believe...

Aaron: You're interested in Manowar, too? *Grin* Goodie. Manowar is one of the best Metal bands I know of. ]:) As for a 20mm handgun... I'd probably use some sort of dampening material for my arm and shoulder - I'm not crazy. No, wait, I AM crazy. Maybe I'll go for a single-shot pistol thingie. ];) As for the Bondage Fairies... *Grin* Pfil'er up. (Incidentally, I think I can find some photographies of bondage fairies... alters, most likely, but still...) ]:)

Sex debate: I can wait. Actually, I pretty much HAVE to wait, lest I make a real mess for myself... But that's fine by me. After all, I'm just half a decade overdue yet (according to Norwegian law; by US law, it's three years...) Oh, and far as I can figure it, sex is such a serious topic... it SHOULD be fun. And perpetually subject to experimentation. That in mind, I have to start looking for someone who gives a bulk rate on turkey basters... ];) Oh, and a plus for erotica... if the author knows what he/she (the latter seems to me to be more accurate on the topic) writes about, there is a LOT of nifty tricks to be found. (But you might want to check with a medical reference book before you try it... just in case.)

Nathan Campbell: "Jain Farstrider"? Heeeey, don't I know your name from Erynnor???

And that seems to be the end of the post... Later, Gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, March 5, 2001 08:48:53 AM
IP: mp-217-202-216.daxnet.no

*wanders in through the door (a bit too classy to just burst through the wall ;P) and looks around*

...Where the heck am I NOW?!?!?! ;)

Well, it has been awhile, hasnt it, but its just not been a good couple of weeks!

Cali's Report! :

My house was broken into last weekend, which is not fun at all. They didnt take much, actualy they were pretty dumb burglers. They tiped over my mothers room and took her wedding rings, a couple of watches and some earings and my dads old camara which, by the way, hasnt worked in YEARS. Besides that, they went into my room and cheked my piggy banks. No, they did not take the one full of spare chang, the took the one full of forgin coins!!! WHAT THE HECK DO THE WANT french, swis, canadian and caribean coins for HERE?!?!!? Sheesh, REALY dumd burglers. Thats all they took tho, and not that I'm complaing that they did'nt take more, but realy, between my brother and I, we have well over 600$ in CD's alone! I mean, if your going to compleatly destroy our peace and sence of securety in our own house, you might as well make it worth it! *sighs* they were proabably just looking for some cash for a quick fix and didnt find much. They think cuz we have a big house we happen to leave 100$ bills laying about, when little do they know all our money went INTO that house and the rest of it we owe the bank! *sighs again* Oh well, thats life, lets just get on with it, right? *monkey nods eagerly. Cali flips a Colombian coin at the Ordinary Monkey, who is posing as her psycologist and hops off the couch* :P

In any case, last week wasnt any better, I had two killer tests and I have another one THIS week wich kept me buisy. Can you belive I havent rented a SINGLE ANIME VIDEO in 3 weeks?!??!! I think I'm the one who needs a quick fix ;)

On a more cheerfull note, we finaly started drawing live specimens in my art class, and after many years of drawing anime and comic characters and designing clothes, THIS is where I shine the MOST!!! *big grin* ofcouse, in my first few sketches the models we alot taller then they were in real life and had incredably long legs, but I blame that ALL on my anime addiction ;) And I'm SURE I was my prof.'s favorite that day! *gets big and puffy like a peacock...or an over grown egotistical turky, wichever ;) * He had the whole class stand behind me and watch as I did one of the drawings....can you belive that?!?! I mean, ask anyone who draws just how annoying having a person looking over your sholder is, then imagen about 20 ppl doing it! Needless to say it wasnt my best drawing of the day ;) Oh, and our female model will probaby get fired, cuz she's too shy and wont get nekid....its human form, she's suposed to get nekid, thats what she's getting paid for! If she's that shy, why'd she sign up for the job?! Oy...

On another Happy note, I have a little field trip planed for this wednsday, so we'll see how that turns out!

I'll try and fall back into the swing of things here in the CR, I have missed you all terribly!!! I'll see ya guys!!!! *gives all the extra HUGZ she owes everone in the CR and wanders back out the door*
Caliope: "The Eternal Lost Girl"
Monday, March 5, 2001 08:41:49 AM
IP: 136.145.83.178

Just popping in quickly to tell you guys that I'm not dead. I'll do a catch-up post tomorrow.

Oh, and a late Happy Birthday to Doug!

"Want to make your computer go really fast? Throw it out a window."
-Anon.
Conspiracy Theorist - [Conspiracy3000@yahoo.com]
Monday, March 5, 2001 05:38:52 AM
IP: ac8e7f3c.ipt.aol.com

Firestorm- I dunno on that one, it never comes up. My guess is it would reverse the curse so that hot water gave you a cursed form and cold water turned you back, effectivley making it less a curse and more an occasional nuisance, since hot water doesn't occur all that much naturally outside of baths and cooking. Just being doused by rain or a nearby puddle or falling into a pond wouldn't do anything, so thus almost all the fun situations and possibilities would be lost. That considered, I guess warm Jusenkyo water would have the exact same curse with no differences at all.

And it seems I'm not going to sleep before school today...
Robby
Monday, March 5, 2001 04:36:06 AM
IP: acb59cd4.ipt.aol.com

Oy...so many things I want to get into, so little time....

SJ: Don't worry, I'll get into that particular discussion as soon as I have time...with luck, tomorrow. I have a few things to say about that stuff, and it'll probably ruffle some feathers. ;)

For now, I'm just stopping in for a moment to say that I've posted another fic. I didn't plan for it to be a two-part story, but the second half would've veered off in a different direction, so it feels more self-contained this way. So, for anybody who hasn't seen it yet, "Under the Hammer, Part 1" is waiting in the New Stories section. I'll be adding it to my own website as well, probably tomorrow.

Now, though, I'm off to bed before I fall asleep at the desk and drool on the keyboard or something... ;)
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:38:48 AM
IP: ppp97-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

Robby: I have a Ranma question:
The water in the springs is cold.
When Ranma is splashed with cold water, he turns into a girl.
Now... what would happen if someone submerged him in a HOT spring of drowned girl?
Would he never turn back into a man?

Gside: Thanks again! It downloaded like a charm!
Fire Storm
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:31:37 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Gside- Jusenkyo curses are not cumalitive. Taro's curse came about when a yeti riding an ox while carrying a crane, hence the amalgation. Later, he got squid tentacles when only sort of splashed with cursed water. If he'd been completely submerged, his curse would have switched to that of just a squid. Similarly, if any of the male cast were to take a dip in the spring of drowned man, their cursed form would become that of a man, so there'd be no difference. Now, if ranma only got a few drops of nanichuan, THAT might be a problem.

Of course, there IS the spring of drowned Akane...
Robby
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:19:31 AM
IP: ac8a87d4.ipt.aol.com

Kit - <<"All Your Base Are Belong To Us": Will someone please tell me what the big fat hairy deal about this phrase is? It's not even gramatically correct for crying out loud!>>

You remember the saying "If you have to ask...." Just forget all about it Kit. I was there just after it all started... so many months ago...

For great honor.

*runs out of the room laughing manicaly*
Traveler - [Long live "Zero Wing"!!!]
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:15:08 AM
IP: ny-hamburg1a-283.buf.adelphia.net

<--- Boy I made this pic a while back. I didn't know diddly about animation coloring or what an illegal color is. As a result, the shading on this pic is really dull and the yellow hurts to look at now that I'm trained to notice these things... If I still had the original and the original was in photoshop, I'd fix it up but oh well..

Kyryn- Figures. I spend a night and a day trying to get those things in on time, and now they're not up on time because I sent them both at once. Bit ironic I guess. Ah well.

Next week folks, the illos are probably going to be black and white, but hopefully there will be more of them...

Firestorm- If you've seen enough Ranma to know who Ukyo is (Basically, the start of the third season, and you have) you can go ahead and watch the movies and OVAs. Ranma continuity being as lax as it is, nothing is spoiled, and nothing has changed in the status quo at that point. The OVAs are actually the canon season 5 more or less, (the season 5 produced didn't follow the manga, and is basically the Goliath Chronicles of Ranma. The fans were so ticked the ratings plummeted, another studio bought the rights and produced a canon season 5 in the OVAs. Unfortunatley, the manga finished right around then, interest waned, and the series was never actually completed, you have to look to the manga for that.) But like I said, outside of the characters learning a new attack or two, not much happens in season 4 continuity wise, so no biggie. Well, I think Headmaster Kuno is introduced in season 4, but you'll get the hang of him real quick and he's not a major player in the OVAs. The OVAs are all fun, the two parters are all excellent. The first movie is okay, but as fair warning, SAVE the second movie "Nihou my Concubine" for LAST. Its basically the very best of Ranma. Best animation, great story, great moments for everyone, and quite basically, well once you see it, nothing else will stack up. But then, we are talking Ranma, so its all in good fun anyway... Of course, there's a few really good fanfics I can reccomend...

And if you want to read the rest of the manga and see how it all ends without waiting 9 years for Viz to get around to translating it, it has been fan translated and fixed at
http://ranmascan.dhs.org/

Hope that helps. Ranma is quite fun, isn't it?
Robby
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:12:38 AM
IP: ac8a87d4.ipt.aol.com

Perhaps you folks can help me. I'm looking for a gargoyles RPG, preferably bulletin board type, e-mail is okay, but I'd like to stay away from live chat-type. I've looked around the Web, but all I've found is the one run by Set Kane, and it seems to have atrophied and died.

So I'm looking for a healthy Gargoyles RP game. Anybody have any suggestions? If you do, please e-mail me.

Nathan Campbell
Jain_Farstrider@Yahoo.com
Nathan Campbell - [Jain_Farstrider@Yahoo.com]
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:09:46 AM
IP: proxy3-external.grlnd1.tx.home.com

Robby> <<No wait, that's my evil twin, Lonny>>: So, you figure out yet what you do actually say?

Odd Ranma thought: It seems from Taro's example that curses are cumulative, so if Ranma were to take a dip in nanichiuan (or however you spell spring of drowned boy), would that make him a hermaphrodite?

Lady Mystic> <<what weren't you pleased with?>>: Nothing, it's just that I dislike making absolute statements, and nearly always insert qualifiers into what I say. So what if one picture is taken from a background where the artist felt it was unnecessary to double check the structure of a clarinet?
<<and offered to carry them for me to my next class>>: Now why didn't that ever happen to me? Wait, I know, I was carrying a bari sax that weighed approximately the same as many of the females (exaggeration), that and chivalry doesn't work in reverse.
<<but that's the part of my tale that involves the clarinet>>: Are you sure? I probably shouldn't have watched American Pie. Though I do think flauts have too many keys for it to be feasible.

Beth> <<because I liked to read about "sex starved pervert faeries">>: At least it wasn't any of the BF incarnations.

Fire Storm> <<It's Buck from SMT!>>: A little more tightly cropped than usual, and I don't recall him having wings.
<<Anything Goes martial arts gift wrapping?>>: Actually, Happosai wants a Christmas tree to decorate his way (in reparation for some insult).
<>: I'm approaching 9/10 full on my drive, so I'd like to burn stuff before I get much more, and I have very few CDs.
<<Okay, who gets it? Who's a hentai?>>: Yo ho. I personally am waiting to see how this business with Urushira pans out. But getting my fix from free sites probably adds a good bit of lag. Have any series been put out beyond BF, NBF, BF:FF, and BFE?
<<but did you know James Gandolfini went to Rutgers?>>: Not really. Though it wouldn't really surprise me.

Imzadi> <<unfortunately no one has provided me with ANY information whatsoever about Nereus or a website where I can obtain said info>>: We must wait for Wilek. Nothing may be done without Wilek. Wilek is good.
<<so you decided to post times?>>: You seemed interested. Though half the time of mine was spent on an old laptop.

Lain> <<of course my problems are always worse than everyone elses'>>: I like to call that the Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen Theory. The correlary that I must keep reminding myself being that it works the other way, and my life really isn't so bad.

Daniel Johnson> <<we're not supposed to get that much snow>>: And yet, they still cancelled Rutgers today. And when I had an exam too. I must have connections I didn't know about.

Revel> <<so now I have to break a new one in again>>: And everyone want to touch your freshmen.

Sherry Blossom> Welcome back.
<<Where was there an earthquake?>>: Seattle and the area.

You know, I should probably put up Video Bargainville for the next mp3, if only for one line. And I still can't parse it completely. Too bad I already posted Smut.

Greg Bishansky> <>: Congratulations on moving out of outer Mongolia.

Lady Corax> <<Could one o' y'all maybe explain it a little?>>: Once upon a time, some company released a game in Japan called Zero Wing. They then decided to port it over to American shores, but that required a translation of the intro. They did not want to spend a lot of money on this, and got just what they payed for. And increadibly mistranslated piece of coding with amazing humor value.

Fire Storm> <<Can I swipe a copy of Ranma, Season 3, episode 14 from ya?>>: Give me a moment, it'll be up a minute or so after I post.

Kitainia> <<It's not even gramatically correct for crying out loud!>>: That is completely and utterly the point. It is the same reason Chingrish is so funny.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:06:14 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

"All Your Base Are Belong To Us": Will someone please tell me what the big fat hairy deal about this phrase is? It's not even gramatically correct for crying out loud!

Okay, maybe fatigue is making me go crazy here. <grins, grabs DC to have a long and violent chat about Kyryn's zip file problems, then drags him out of the room>
Kit
Monday, March 5, 2001 02:02:42 AM
IP: pool-63.52.168.115.dlls.grid.net

I am SO tired but I really don't want to go to bed.

MySpace has been cooperating with me VERY much tonight!

Ranma fans: (Robby?)
Should I watch the OVA's and the movie before or after I watch all the episodes?
Fire Storm
Monday, March 5, 2001 01:57:15 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Gside: Can I swipe a copy of Ranma, Season 3, episode 14 from ya? The animeon copy is down.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, March 5, 2001 01:16:10 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

***Kyryn steps in.***

Gentlebeings,

TGS now presents

The Council, pt.1

Written by Robby Bevard

Artwork (not included at the moment due to technical difficulties) will be by Robby Bevard

Note: I'll be adding the artwork on sometime on Monday because my computer here at home refuses to open Robby's zip file.

***Kyryn steps aside to avoid the stampede.***
Kyryn - [<<--Clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Monday, March 5, 2001 12:56:19 AM
IP: denm1-1.iglobal.net

lain> Hey, cool story teaser! I like it. :) And it was great fun getting to talk with ya. :)

SJ> I caught the first 2 minutes or so of the Lone Gunmen, and then got distracted...**winks at Coyote**...and I wasn't really impressed with it...but I didn't really see enough of it to make a call. But I WILL agree with you about Highlander: the Raven...THEY NEEDED TO MAKE THE SPINOFF ABOUT METHOS!!! I mean, he's so much more intriguing, and mysterious, and all around cool...**shrugs**

Greg, SJ> Um....I hate to sound ignorant, but...I watched that "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" video, and it was EXTREMELY cool...but I still kinda don't get it. :) Could one o' y'all maybe explain it a little? I mean, someone across the building from me even has a sign taped up on his *window* saying that phrase...:)

cherry blossom> Congratulations on your ACT score! :) And yes, there was a pretty good size earthquake in the Seattle area that caused plenty o' damage, but didn't cause that many injuries (I believe one person died of a heart attack, right?).

Sex Talk> Not even going there. :)

Christine> **crosses fingers** Good luck with your book! :)

**hugs Coyote quickly before leaving the room** :)
Lady Corax
Sunday, March 4, 2001 11:59:14 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Sevarius Jr> Your timing is perfect, I just watched that "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" video and then I come on and you've posted the line.

For those who don't know what we're talking about, here's the link.

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~pyang/base/allyourbase.swf
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, March 4, 2001 11:07:12 PM
IP: dialin-665-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

This just in: All your base are belong to us.

Sex Stuff: Damn, it's a time like this that I wish Fred was here.

I've been called a "prude" by some of the more illustrious of our humble fandom for my own particular views on pornography and erotica. My opinion is basically this: I have no problem with porn. Porn is okay with me. I'm a guy--it's not as if I've never seen a pair of naked breasts in a magazine before. Or in a movie. Or in lots of movies. Or that Andrew Blake is perhaps the greatest adult director out there.....um, but I digress. I have no problem with porn, or, I suppose, erotica. I just think that there is absolutely no artistic value to any of it. NONE of it. The VAST majority of it is exploitive to women. I've been called a prude because I fail to recognize the literary value of erotica before. I still say that 1,000 years from now, no one will be comparing Playboy to Michelangelo's David, or the works of Ernest Hemingway to "Lady Chatterly's Lover" (I would attach another title / author other than "LCL", but then that really would be the proverbial "sticky wicket", to make a pun.)

So, I have no problem with porn....but since I see no intrinsic value in pornography other than as meat-beat (or if you're of the female persuasion, "stirring the soup") material, I really find it quite amusing when people get upset over being ridiculed over porn. What do you expect? I mean, I don't mean to be insensitive....or maybe I do....but if you're talking about how much you dig "Bondage Faeries" (or insert graphic Japanese hentai magazine / comic or your choice, there's only about a billion out there), realize that you're gonna get a little static. And I don't think of this as some sort of "those people aren't enlightened" kind of thing. That's a rather arrogant, bullsh!t statement to make. I sort of like the ridicule, cause it gives me hope that maybe a portion of the society realizes that there's a place for porn in our culture, just as long as porn is never taken seriously.

Now if you will excuse me, I must get off my soapbox and go read a Tijuana Bible.

***REVIEW OF LONE GUNMAN***
Huh. That's about all I have to say about this show.

I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but I thought this show was just awful. First off, I never saw the need for an X-Files spinoff to begin with, but of all of the choices they could have made for a spinoff, this is the BEST they could come up with? What makes the Lone Gunman so great is that you had them in nice, wonderful little SMALL chunks. Seeing them on my TV screen for 45 minutes straight is far too much. As far as spinoffs go, this ranks right up there with "Highlander: The Raven" (which I'm STILL pissed off about. You make a Highlander spinoff, and NOT base it on Methos???)

The story was flat. Typical government conspiracy crap, which would have been interesting if we hadn't seen it done about a thousand times before on X-Files. The humor of the show--about half-way through the episode, I was appalled to realize that the show was actually supposed to be funny--was just awful. I didn't laugh once at the jokes, but I did laugh at the show. The acting was....just bad. Ugh.

The only good thing I can say about the show is that at least they stuck a hot chick in there. That hot chick was the biggest ripoff of Tomb Raider this side of Relic Hunter, but still, a hot chick's a hot chick. Especially a hot chick wearing black leather.

So, to sum up my review--stay away from this show like the plague. Or at least the first episode. I'm a bit of a masochist, so I suppose I'll tune in next week as well (unless MTV airs Jackass at 9 next week), in the hopes that things are better than this mess.

You know what would have made this show better? If Frohicke looked right at the camera and said, "All your base are belong to us."
***END REVIEW***
Sevarius Jr. - [SJ@thefragile.com]
Sunday, March 4, 2001 10:41:33 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Fun fun.. posting a little bit of a story here.. hope noone minds... any comments would be appreciated :D

***BEGIN STORY TEASER**

"Hey honey," she said leaning back on the table and dangling the explosive by its hinge, "seriously, you don�t think I was born as a chunk of metal, do you?" She raised her eyebrow.

"Well, no but, uh," Valentine searched for an explanation, "I hadn�t really thought that much about it to be honest," he fumbled.

Nadia eyed him suspiciously. "So," she started, "you have been working with me for five months and you never once wondered how a robot gave birth to a kid?"
"Uh.. actually no," he confessed.

Nadia put the explosive down on the countertop and looked at it, muttering something Valentine could not hear. Then she turned and looked at him for a brief moment, her silvery eyes coming to rest on his. "I was human once too, you know," she said, "before they replaced me with this welded pile of junk."

Valentine was silent. Although he had noticed that Nadia seemed to have more of a sense of self than any other artificial construct he had ever seen, the idea that she had been transformed from flesh and blood completely into gears and oil was new to him.
He just stared at her.

"Yeah, yeah," she suddenly quipped, snatching up the explosive again, "it�s nothing to get excited over, just another one of Pond�s �medical-trials-gone-wrong..�"

Valentine leaned back on the doorframe and crossed his arms, "so is that why Pond thinks you�re dead?" he asked.

Nadia froze. "No." She looked at him with anger in her voice, "that�s why I�m here working every inch of this metal prison body of mine to bring Pond down in a fiery blaze," she grated.

****END STORY TEASER****

*nervous smile... thanks guys*
*flees*
lain
Sunday, March 4, 2001 10:26:11 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

I see the room has received a face-lift! *grins* New pictures, more links...OooooOooOO.....*g*

So, I realize I'm dumb and all, but earthquake? Where was there an earthquake? And when?? *raises an eyebrow* Such are the consequences for not watching the news. Such a pity. :P

*L* Anyways, I'm not really all that_dumb! I got a composite score of 26 on the ACT!! *bounces happily*

Alright, I better scoot my butt out of here and back to more constructive uses of my time!

*disappears*

psst..!! Who do I complain to? I want more Puck piccies! ;)
cherry blossom
Sunday, March 4, 2001 09:02:57 PM
IP: stpa-ras1-4-cs-21.dial.bright.net

BTW ppl, if you want to e-mail me something that is less than decent, please send it to my personal e-mail address eaherit@pacbell.net I don't want my folks reading what I get since they do that no matter how many times I tell them not to.

And when I say I like Hentai/Romantic stuff like Rurouni Kenshin spinoff stories, I mean ones that are tastefully done and sentimental and romantic. Not errotic stuff that views girls and women as sex objects. I hope I made myself clear. :)
Beth H.
Sunday, March 4, 2001 08:27:07 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*Emerges from under piles and piles of thumbnail drawings*
There went my weekend, thwarted once again by Graphic Design work. Oh well.
On the down side of things my roommate here at school is not going to be in the dorms next semester, so now I have to break a new one in again. It's takes a lot of effort too.

Doug- Happy to the utmost extremest of all even more so than that aunt and uncle that we all have who always sends cards late yeah you know which one I'm talking about belated birthday well wishes. (whew)

Sex-yes please.

And since everyone likes to end with quotes here is one of my favorites.
"You do it, we all do it, we love to do it!" Mel Brooks-History of the World Part 1

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, March 4, 2001 08:00:49 PM
IP: ac831924.ipt.aol.com

Lain, you silly person, you're one of the most unselfish people I've known. That such things upset you should prove that. So, no more silly talk, 'K? ;P
----
Well, it's snowing here. They've changed the forecast now, and we're not supposed to get that much snow. Just a lot of wind and rain with some snow mixed in. For those of you who have never experienced a nor'easter, they're fun to watch; especially when you live on the coast, like me. ;) It's kind of like a hurricane, but more spread out and much colder. This one's supposed to hang around 'til Tuesday. I took some pictures of the ocean earlier today; maybe I'll add them to my lame photo album page. :) Weeee! The wind is howling!
----
Ok, I'm a Mac user, and I've been here almost a year and have never shown any sign of being "militant", but if we're gonna get into Mac-bashing here, I'm quite capable of defending myself. Just remember: a computer is a computer, not a religion. What difference does it make what anyone is using? It certainly doesn't make sense to attack people because of the machines they're using. All I know is that when *I* use the Windows machine at work, I always feel like I'm fighting it to get work done. I don't feel that way with my Macs. THAT'S why I use them. And software availability is irrelevant to me since all the software I'm interested in is cross platform, including games. That doesn't mean it isn't irrelevant to EVERYONE, just to me. Speaking of games, I think it's time for a little Elite Force. :) Can't wait 'til next month when I can snag me one of them GeForce 3's. It should beat the bits out of my Radeon. >:)

Oops! Spunky doesn't like wind! Gotta go comfort him.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, March 4, 2001 07:29:21 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-70-193.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Imzadi>well, I mean the good kind of sex. Rape, incest and molestation are never good. Or sexual harrassement. :(

But willing sex between to people who are in love, mmmm...gimme more of that! :)
Beth H.
Sunday, March 4, 2001 06:35:46 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*lain enters, looking rather distrought and sad*

hey guys..
for the first day in about 7 weeks, the TV was free at 6pm so I watched Des Nouvelles.
And then I was very sad because I heard about bombs going off that could be felt 300m away in London outside the BBC and storms about to rage in the American Northeast and suicide bombers on busses in Israel and a pregnant woman shot in the stomach in Toronto and the women who were raped in the Rowandan crisis way back who are dying of AIDS and their babies have no mothers and all the other terrors and sadnesses happening in the world..
and I just wanted to send hugs out to you all..
I know it doesn't really mean anything over the internet but I always feel so helpless whenever I see things like that and realize that they are happening every day around the world.
I know I didn't comment about the earthquake that affected some of you just a little while ago, and I know I don't comment on other parental and friendship disasters that happen to you people in here sometimes. I know I do not support you as much as I should but.. I just wanted you to know that I think of you every day. I would pray for you to be safe and happy and strong if I thought there was somebody to whom my prayers would go.
I just feel so.. unable to help. I watch the news and I feel there must be something I could do to help but.. I don't know what it is yet.
I know I always come in here and complain about my problems but when I do that, I lose perspective.. of course my problems are always worse than everyone elses' - but only for the reason that they are happening to me. Noone elses problems seem to matter sometimes when you get so wrapped up in yourself and your feelings and issues and challenges. Sometimes you forget that there are others out there who suffer more than you. Not that ignorance is an excuse.
I am sorry that I do this and I apologize for my selfishness. I know I should think less about myself and more about others and what I can do to help them.

thank you for listening to my little ramble..
love to you all,
lain
the Great White North
Sunday, March 4, 2001 06:20:17 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Greetings all...

Hope everyone is having a good weekend so far. Mine was somewhat interesting... for starters, my job schedule seems to be more or less set now for 8am to 4pm, with my weekends free, so to partially celebrate me and Heather went to a place called Sweet Tomatoes (a primarily vegan restaraunt) before we went to a local fantasy bookstore called Merlin's Books. I picked up a copy of GURPS Japan to help me out with some oriental-themed stories I'm working on, while at the same time getting a kick out of telling the store owner that I know a couple of people that wrote for SJ Games (nods to Christine).

Also got Issues 17 and 18 of AP's GOLD DIGGER... looks like Fred's still dealing with the adventure on Jade. Got to love his work!

WRITING UPDATE - I still haven't heard back from Twilight Times about a sci-fi short story I sent them, but I did get a note from someone running a site called atfantasy.com, expressing the wish to showcase some of my fantasy works. I'm working on a few new stories that might earn some new markets for me, as well as an entry for the Gargoyles Online Reunion.

DOUG - Happy Belated Birthday! Sorry for no responding sooner, but works been a big taker of my time. Hope you and Kit got the chance to celebrate it well. And here's more prayers for your friends in hopes they heal up quick. ^_^

BTW, I want to bring Big Jake, Ace and Two-of-One back into the RP... when would be a good time to do so? (hint: I'd like it to be when the Ravens do a major confrontation with Thailog, face to face). ^_^
AARON - <<<Steve Jobs will be the first against the wall come the revolution! Followed by Steve Case. And anyone else named Steve who pisses me off. ;)>>>

Errr, Does that mean I should change my name?

DON - Good to hear things are getting better for you, and thanks for the info on cars. I'll put it to good use when the time comes. ^_^

IMZADI - <snorts> All I want is the lands I grew up in. But then again, considering that all this "conquer the world" nosh is all words, I'll take you with the grain of salt that's due. ^_^ No offense. ^_^

BTW, I'm cross-trained to work on Macs and PCs. They both have their good points and bad too... but until they can come up with a computer that will work with both OS's and be affordable, there's no clear winner in the computer race.
SJ - Cool beans about your female friend being in the Miss USA pageant. ^_^

FIRE STORM - They canceled the X-33? Well, that's dandy... now what are they going to do when the current shuttle design is so out of date and in need of a major replacement? It always irked me that NASA and the world wants an International Space Station, but that they didn't figure on getting a better chariot to get them there.

CHRISTINE - Good work all round on the new Avalon Mists!

Well, that's all from me for now... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, March 4, 2001 06:10:55 PM
IP: 65342hfc52.tampabay.rr.com

Aaron > it certainly did, and the paper has been going on about it ever since! According to a helpful graph in today's, our house is right on the projected path of the worst damage should more serious ones hit -- the very path, naturally, that I-5 is along! Huzzah :P

Doug and Kit > well, in that case ... ; ) Too bad the Coventry Hotel in Vegas won't be open in time for me to arrange you the honeymoon suite as a wedding present!

Book news > ::gulp:: well, this is it, folks ... Silversilk, the first in the ElfLore trilogy, has been sent. Now the wait begins ... (cue Final Jeopardy theme)

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, March 4, 2001 05:58:04 PM
IP: 64.24.187.70

A good morning to all! Before I get started on completely re-coding my project from the ground up (because I have no clue where the bug is)...

Emambu: I'm sorry. I didn't notice you were gone...probably because I just joined the CR a week ago. Thanks for the welcome. As for the Nereus Project, I have no idea how I'll deal with it. Collaboration/cooperation would be nice, but unfortunately no one has provided me with ANY information whatsoever about Nereus or a website where I can obtain said info, I'll just sit in the dark and develop my own plans until they collide violently or someone tells me stuff, whichever comes first.

Water vs. Coke: I wasn't here for this, but I want to add my $0.02 anyway. I live entire off soda while I"m at school, because it stays good forever and its cheap ($6 for a 24-can flat). I love milk though, and whenever I come home, my family's milk consumption considerably increases. However, I've drank nothing but milk for most of grade school and I certainly didn't turn into anything special. Remember the ads where the scrawny dork turns into the football player by drinking milk? Well, I'm still the scrawny dork! Not that I'm bitter...but such blatant false advertising...

Gside: Oh, so you decided to post times? SETI@HOME FLAME WAR!!! For every 24 hours of SETI run-time, I get about 1.7 work units completed (14.25 hour average). One perk of having a mac is that RISC architecture eats SETI for breakfast and still has room for cereal, eggs, and pancakes (no syrup on my laptop, please!). And I'm only using a G3 333 MHz. My roommate has a dual-processor 500 MHz G4 and he gets 4-hour blocks (no joke). Ah, games. Like I said earlier, windows is definitely better if you're a gamer. But I don't think lack of games makes mac users into mac zealots. As long as I can play mechwarrior 2 and crush people on Battle.net, I'm happy. Also, Virtual PC is blazing fast on G4 processors, so now we can run windows games too. Its on emulation, so its not perfect, but you have to concede its better than nothing (although you may not concede that its better than windows, and I don't blame you)

Beth H:<>: Sometimes...sometimes not so cool.

DPH: WHOO HOO I WON! ::Viciously devours cyber-cookie:: Uh oh...got milk?

Fire Storm: The way I see, the OS's are not starting to converge. They are starting to look alike and jack features from each other (yes, even my glorius macOS jacks a couple ideas from windows, are they gonna sue?). But the interface experience is what keeps my on my mac. The little things, like universal drag-and-drop, make using a mac cool for me. Another thing is error messages. When programs crash on the mac, you get a little box that says "PROGRAM crashed error type #" and if you know the number, even a novice user can figure out what went wrong (there's a list on apple's site). Ever ask windows for details on an error message? Yuck. Anyway, that's some of the stuff that convinced me to switch to Mac.

Aaron: <<Macs are tools of the devil>>: Don't tell my mother's multi-national multi-billion dollar advertising firm, which runs exclusively on macs.

Anti-mac flamers: I'm really not interested in fighting with you. I like my Powerbook and I'm not switching. You like your PC and you're not switching. For every comment one side makes, the other will have an equally valid counter. We can tell each other what we like and don't like about OS's, but I'm not interested in wasting CR space over it. I came here to meet gargoyles fans, not get bashed for using a mac. So that being said, I'll shut up about this subject if everyone else will. If not, I'll defend myself like the cornered animal that I am ::growls:: 8-)

Dude, straws. Real men shouldn't be sucking on things.
-Rocky Teruya

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, March 4, 2001 05:15:14 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-18.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

I... have... returned!

Josh> Well, to me, it was either The Marshall Mathers LP, or Holywood, and since Marilyn wasn�t up... I still think he got robbed. And if you�re going to take all our guns and Windows... I think I�m going to have to kill you. No, I'm definately going to have to kill you. Macs are tools of the devil. Steve Jobs will be the first against the wall come the revolution! Followed by Steve Case. And anyone else named Steve who pisses me off. ;) (Not Steve Kerr tho' He's cool) <> Excuse me while I laugh. Why? Ask the rest of the room.

Warpy> <<OZ>> Ah, too bad. We just had the season 4 finale last night. <<examples being "Black Wind, Fire And Steel", "The Gods Made Heavy Metal", "The Warrior's Prayer">> Well, I dunno about Gside, but I�m interested, just from those titles. <<tossing back a couple Fisherman's Friend>> I could say something... A 20mm hand held? You're a braver man then I, Gunga Dan, er, Din. (Then again, you're bigger then me, so maybe it wouldn't break you in half when you fired it. Maybe)

Beth H.> Okay. Name change duly noted. Sorry the babysitting gig didn't work out. <<"sex starved pervert faeries">> Pfil and Pamila? (Okay, who gets it? Who's a hentai?)

Lady Corax> Yikes!

Kit> Geez, did I miss a full moon or something? Hope everybody feels better soon. Hey, we care. Some of us are just waaaaaay behind on posting.

Gunjack> <<because you don't post often enough to give me sufficient material? ; )>> True, I do need to work on that. <<How can they muck with your genetic code after being fried by a nuke? ...And I'm afraid to ask, but where does this info come from? o.O>> No where in particular, it just seemed plausible. Besides, would you want to eat one anyway, even if it hadn�t just absorbed massive amounts of radiation?

Lain> (hugs) He gave something your mother gave to you to his new girlfriend?!? What a complete bastard! I�d demand it back. Scream. Throw things. That, or tell his object of affection that your mom was buried with that necklace. See how fast she doesn�t want it any more.

SJ, Jannie> Yes, The Smirker won the recount. There are still three other counties to be counted. All of which doesn�t take into account the many ballots which had no presidential vote at all, due to cheap-@$$ voting machines. Or the black voters who were intimidated away from voting places. Or the 5000 people who accidentally voted for Buchannen, due to the f**ked-up butterfly ballot. Or... Personally, I'm just glad we have a president who understands just how hard it is for people to put food on their families. I know mine keep moving when I try it.

FS> That case is indeed sweet. <<Hell, I just picked 5 e-mail addresses (sorry people), but I am not sure it worked. No cookies>> Is *this* why I keep getting that message? j/k. <<Question: Why are most Mac users MILITANT Mac users?>> Subconscious need to justify the fact that they have one when the other 97% of us have a real computer. <<Are we sure that the Seatle quake was NOT caused by Windows XP crashing? :)>> Actually Bill Gates and Paul Allen both dropped their wallets at the same time.

Gside> You probably already know this, but did you know James Gandolfini went to Rutgers?

Spacebabie> Pest wants to know what happened to his icecream.

Mandi> She's not dead! She's getting better!

Dreamie, Christine> So, did the earth move for you two? ;)

Doug> Happy belated birthday.

SOROW><> Well, rare things are precious, ne?

I think that's all.

Later.

Aaron, the unofficial CR freak on a leash - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Sunday, March 4, 2001 04:58:27 PM
IP: 98-pool2.ras10.txhou.agisdial.net

<--- It's Buck from SMT! :)

*FS wipes the dirt off of his hands as he walks into the CR*
Just finished transplanting my houseplants and making some seedlings for some new ones.
Found out that my vine, which was totally in a 8" pot is over 10' long!
I also recovered a aloe plant from my parents house which had miraculiously lived without being watered for over 3 years!

SJ: <Ms. DC>
She didn't win but she won second place.

Gside: <Because you have to be to survive without the software they would use with other platforms.>
VERY true.
<Yup, though there is an episode in the seasons taht starts out with a christmas premise>
Anything Goes martial arts gift wrapping? :)
Ya know... I haven't downloaded any Ranma in over a week!

Seti@home? I miss that. When I wasn't using the computer, I ran 4 command line versions and a windows version on my computer. 3 days to finish, but at a rate of (average) 1.25 per day, it was pretty good.
It's wierd. 1 windows copy never used over 45% of my processor, and the command line ones never did above 33%.

Imzadi: 
Don't worry about it. You mentioned "shock" when I was thinking about EKG's.
<The motherboards have IDE>
So I may be able to make a Mac by buying that MB and using my current RAM and HD's?
Hmm... It MAY be worth it to try it out...
Mac question though: With the way that the Os's are starting to operate the same way (More or less, apperance and usage wise), Is it really important what type of computer someone has?

Aingeal: 
Yeah, I have a Athlon 750... sitting on my desk waiting for my MB to be returned.
Although, the chip is probally fried...

Beth H/Imzadi: It's wierd. In this culture men are almost engouraged to have sex and buy porn while women are almost looked down upon for having the slightest interest in sex, let alone porn.
<Morning Glory the Faerie>
Those are pretty cool. I like the art of Naked Earth too, but there is no way in HELL I am paying $100 for 6 months at that site!

Emambu: Don't worry. I noticed that you wern't here.

Lady Mystic: <I'm lucky to still have him in my life. *hugs and kisses FS*>
*Hugs and kisses LM*
You know, I would have carried it for you.
And you COULD have asked for a Coke!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, March 4, 2001 04:28:03 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Imzadi - You win a cybercookie for guessing Namitlum's powers. Namitlum is meant to have Multi-Man's powers.

BrooklynX - huh? Are Brooklyn/Uriel? If not, another id for you is needed.

**PARENT RANT**
Once again, the idiot is being idiotic. Ok, 1st, on Friday he insists on turning the car when he thinks it is warmed up. It wasn't. I am to work yesterday and did not get home until after midnight and did not get to sleep until after 1. He had to wake me up at 8:30 am this morning. Let's see, what kind of father's day present would be appropriate? Maybe a book about letting a child grow up on his own. Is there such a book?
**END PARENT RANT**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, March 4, 2001 02:16:15 PM
IP: max1-33.cwy.cei.net

Robby> Here's my e-mail addy. :) Thank you so much!!!! *bear hugs* ;P

You know, when I showed one of my friends my "Morning Glory the Faerie" comics, he kept calling me a pervert because I liked to read about "sex starved pervert faeries". Course, this is the guy who likes to tease people. Don't ask me why I'm friends with him, I just have a strange group of friends. O.o

I personally find sex to be a very cool thing (hey, who doesn't?). It makes for a good laugh a lot of the times. :) And I LOVE the romantic sex that I read about. :) Hell, I can't wait till I start having sex! With the right person of course. ;)
Beth H, - [jpherit@pacbell.net]
Sunday, March 4, 2001 02:04:45 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Emambu> Some people are lactose intolerant. Robby> Puck?
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Sunday, March 4, 2001 09:50:09 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-49.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*** TGS CR INFO UPDATE ***

Here's something that hasn't happened in a long time -- a VERY small update!

The CR Archive has been updated to include weeks up to Saturday March 03, 2001. Click my name to get there or go to this URL:

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2001/index.html

To date there haven't been any missing weeks added to the archive or incomplete weeks confirmed or corrected. So if you run across an old file somewhere that would be of use to us we'd REALLY appreciate you sending it in. Send all data to me at lady-mystic@usa.net. Thanks. :)

You can find a list of all missing and incomplete dates here:

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/missing.html

*** END TGS CR INFO UPDATE ***

Just trying another text color and pic combo. :)

Gside:

<<Nimue suits a literal interpretation of your handle, and the color seems to match the picture rather well.>> I haven't made up my mind yet (if you couldn't already tell <G>) but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the input. *HUGS* :)

RE: CR Update: Don't worry. No hard feelings. :) FS and I knew we couldn't please everyone. We just used our best judgment on what would please the majority of TGS staff and fans. Out of curiosity, what weren't you pleased with?

RE: Lapin & clarinet: Hey, I played a clarinet from early grade school through junior high. (Had to quit due to the heightened demands from a high school class schedule.) Still have it here with me. In high school I even drew a poster-sized version of my clarinet as part of a project for speech class. I had to lug my clarinet case and the large poster with me to first period (American Sign Language) everyday for nearly two weeks. Shortly before that, I had begun talking to this guy who sat behind me in first period. He knew my friend, who sat next to me. She and I would talk a lot during class (when it was allowed). He eventually chimed in. Then the speech project came up. He was really interested in my new "gear" and offered to carry them for me to my next class. I always declined for fear of making him late for his next class. (Although I have to admit his offer was quite tempting.) And each day he would always offer assistance. He was very considerate. We had the most intellectual conversations. And I loved staring at his beautiful blue eyes. There's more to the story, but that's the part of my tale that involves the clarinet. I'm lucky to still have him in my life. *hugs and kisses FS*
Lady Mystic - [<-- TGS CR ARCHIVE UPDATE !!!]
TGS CR Senior Admin.
Sunday, March 4, 2001 06:39:16 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

ARRRG! The first TGS story I did for the season airs Tuesday, and all the artwork I did for it is not flippin' available due to my other computer being down! I colored it and everything, and being the genius I am, I didn't send the the things to the staff immediatley or make backups, nooo... I had to give my computer half a day to break down on me! Oiii... So if the art seems a little rushed come Tuesday, (and the next two eps as well I'm afraid,) thats because well, they ARE going to be rushed. I have to redo the durn things from scratch , and since I can't find the original drawings, I have to repencil and ink them too. Oii. AH well, I'll make them as good as I can, flippin' one day time limit I have on top of other things that are due, and I appologize for the quality in advance.This is why I always say "Hakuna Matata". No wait, that's Timone and Pumbaa always say...

No biggie, the story will more than make up for the art, I'm very proud of it. A *LOT* of the stuff ya'll have been asking for comes up in this one. And since I wrote it, you can all make a pretty easy guess at which minor side character makes a guest appearance... (No really, guess! See who gets it right first! We'll make a very SHORT contest of it! Winner will get a no-prize! Staffers may not play...)

Doug- Happy belated B-Day. This is why I usually say "Happy Birthday, and in case I forget, Happy Birthday for the next five years as well." No wait, that isn't what I say. I say, "What the **** do ya want from ME? I don't have a calander where I keep track of birthdays, I'm too busy keeping track of all my evil schemes to take over the world!" No wait, that's my evil twin, Lonny...

Coyote- Congrats on getting your water back. In situations like this I usually say... Wait, I don't have any prepared statements for this sort of situation...

In any event, time to get serious and official CR Administratorish now...

**Takes a deep breath** Okay folks, enough talking about porn already.

That said... ;P

Beth H- I don't know any Kenshin hentai sites in particular, or where to buy the material, (tho with some of my sources I could probably find some given time) but if ya give me your e-mail addy, I can probably hunt down some on sites I have bookmarked not dedicated solely to Kenshin. Heck, give me a month after all my current TGS deadlines, some schoolwork, and some RL work is done, and I can probably illustrate something along those lines myself.

Relax folks, your allowed to say "porn" and discuss it, just not... Describe it in detail, or provide direct links to visual aids or other places describing it in detail. Links to something one page removed as Christine does for the Adult Annex are fine tho.

Of course, I may have just opened up a whole can of worms by saying that. Then again, I may have just opened up a bigger can of worms by saying I'll draw a hentai pic. *shrugs*

*leaves to get back to TGS art, while humming the "Sakura Diaries" theme*
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Sunday, March 4, 2001 05:09:13 AM
IP: aca663fe.ipt.aol.com

Imzadi> <<What is a "boo yaka"?>>: That would be a general statement of assent, similar to woot, yippie ki yay, and hoo yah.
<<the true one-upping comes when people post their averages>>: Then across the two processors I've had it going on (never at the same time, though), I have .68644 data units per computer days.
<<how many office suites does one need?>>: Who cares about office suites? it's all about the games.

Aingeal> <<can i ask what is so very special about being top 10?>>: No. It's just a way of proving how insane you are my being here so often that you can post after the wipe before many others.

Beth> <<Now please don't think me a hentai>>: Now, is that so bad?
<<Where can I buy Hentai/Romantic Rurouni Kenshin Doujinshi online?>>: I know a couple places (AUC, MH, AAF, OA/MH), but they just have scans, no buying things. And I'm pretty sure they don't have any Kenshin.

Emambu> <<Philadelphia's supposed to get rocked with about 7-12 inches of snow on Monday>>: Allegely worst noreaster since '65 or so. And I have an exam Monday.
<<And to those of you who avoid milk: shame on you>>: Just because I drink coke doesn't mean I avoid milk. I effectively triple my family's milk consumption when I return, as opposed to the double on coke.
<<clue me in on what I've missed>>: Standard. Some semi-stalking, some nonesense, militant mac users, ant that yeti riding abull while carying a crane and a snake.

Let's see if I can lure Gunjack back in with this one (he didn't have much to say about the Bourbon in the last one), so I now give you a song I first heard of in a webcomic that was borrowing a character from another webcomic: Black 47's Funky Ceili.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, March 4, 2001 02:27:10 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

*Emambu enters briefly*

Hey guys. Just checking to see how many noticed I was gone. I'm betting on a low number. :) No real reasons for being absent. School work has kept me terribly busy, and even though I'm on Spring Break at the moment I still have a ton of things to do. *shrugs* Ah well, as long as the grades stay high I don't mind.

Things still haven't calmed down on my website. We have to move again soon because the server we recently grabbed a hold of cannot support the size of the main site and therefore, cannot support us. Not only that, but they promised us programming languages (like PERL for our forums) that they never delivered on. Our main database still isn't up. So, we're dropping these people who are completely clueless and moving on. This will be an interesting two weeks. Fortunately (for me at least), it doesn't look like we're closing.

Now, on to something more relevant... quick replies.

Doug: Happy belated birthday. I hope it was special for you. Sorry to hear about the aggravation with the new house. Welcome to the world of the home-owner. When I see my brother tomorrow, maybe I'll pry some horror stories out of him so you know exactly what you have to look forward to. :)

Mandi: I'm relieved to know that your friend is still alive and recovering. Although I am normally quick to defend the sides of people working in medicine (both my parents and my sister are doctors), it seems as though the hospital seriously screwed up big time. First with a practical joke, and then getting the names mixed up. *sigh* I wish Traci all the best.

Christine: I know this comes late, but I am glad to know that neither you nor your family was harmed in either the earthquake or the riots.

Winterwolf: I hope you get that realiable home access you're gunning for. It's been far too long. :) I like the ISP signature, BTW. Ice.greyinteractive.com... seems to suit you well. Speaking of cold things, Philadelphia's supposed to get rocked with about 7-12 inches of snow on Monday. If that comes true, well... *goes off to plan war strategy* ;)

Imzadi: Belated welcome, I guess. *shrugs* Pretty meaningless by this point, but I still like to be polite. :) Good luck taking over the world though I have the urge to say, "take a number" what with all the schemes floating around. Heck, I'm seriously considering applying for a job on the Nereus Project. Which reminds me (and I'm sure this was asked), what are planning to do about the Nereus Project: Cooperation, collaboration, or competition? *shrugs* As long I get my house outside Philadelphia with a fixed pay (six figures will do nicely) that's tied in with the inflation rate/supply of money so I'l never lose money, I'm happy. :)

Daniel Johnson: Cute dog! Makes me wish Oliver was still alive, but five cats (all with varying emotional problems) makes it idfficult to even consider another dog. :) Still, I can admire the pictures. AWWWWWWWWW!

Lain: I've often noticed that friends, real friends, have a habit of performing miracles when you least expect them to (and when you need them most). :)

Kitainia: Yeah, that's right. I, and most other guys, would have enjoyed Godiva's entertainment too *notices stares* ...Wait, but I thought that... Oh, I gotcha. :)

Niamhgold: Good to hear from you again! Best of luck with the rest of the semester, and stop by again. :)

Water vs Coke: I'm suprised I got as many responses as I did. FYI: That wasn't my opinion on the subject. I only got that in an e-mail and found it rather intriguing. Personally, I live off a steady supply of Orange juice, Grapefruit juice, milk, ice tea, and root beer. I don't drink much water though I don't drink much coke either. And to those of you who avoid milk: shame on you! :) I just hope you're getting your calcium some other way unless you want to look like a hunchback when you're 60.

That's it. Hopefully, someone will be nice and clue me in on what I've missed. Next time I post, I'll try to through in reviews for the new TGS story when it comes out tomorrow and the latest Avalon Mists (I so wish my name could have been up there this time... hopefully next issue). Take care everyone,

---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hotmail.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Sunday, March 4, 2001 01:56:29 AM
IP: proxy2-external.wyn1.pa.home.com

Such a double standard. When men want porn, we have no problems acquiring and asking for it. But when women want it, they're "perverted" or whatever and embarassed. Beth, you are not perverted. Girls that watch porn rock! I might know some places where you can download that stuff. E-mail me as I don't want to post stuff in here about my porn collection hobbies 8-). Sorry you didn't get the babysitting job.
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, March 4, 2001 01:46:01 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-95.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

lately
ive been into walking out
wandering this perimeter
you haunting my doubt
with the empty lights in my hands

someday
ill find if these omens are GODsends
can you bilocate these dreams
bleeding through this resistence
this loss of innocence

ah am waiting for this sunday
am i drowining in this placebo?
slide through the edge of this conscience
show me that face behind the mask
theres a time to keep it secret
and a time to let it out

dreams
living in this fragile glass house
dare i to weather this fever?
measure the policy needed
for the purchace of my sins

ah am i waiting for this sunday
am i drowning in this placebo?
slide through the edge of this conscience
show me that face behind the mask
theres a time to keep it secret
and a time to let it out

-robin b
lain can't sleep
the Great White North, where the stars are beautiful tonight
Sunday, March 4, 2001 01:36:07 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Christine: Oh, come on, I'm not that possessive! And besides, Doug might not be the only one who'd enjoy Godiva's particular brand of entertainment. <ignores startled looks and reminds everyone to read several months' back CR>

Beth H: I don't know about hentai pics, but www.greyarchive.com has many good hentai anime stories. Maybe you'll find something there. Best of luck. :)

<ducks out when she sees the room censors coming her way>
Kit
Sunday, March 4, 2001 01:27:01 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.157.dlls.grid.net

*enters shyly*

Um...*blushes* I have a question. Now please don't think me a hentai when I ask this but...

Where can I buy Hentai/Romantic Rurouni Kenshin Doujinshi online???? Not the gay kind, but the straight kind. I want to see Kenshin and Kaoru doing exactly what a young couple in love are SUPPOSED to do!!!!

Someone please tell me that they know someplace where I can order one!!!

*runs off and hides in sheer embarrassement for her romantic/perverted nature* :P
Beth H.
Sunday, March 4, 2001 12:47:14 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

WANT WOLF!

Okay... now that I've got that out with. ::grins:: not that 8 hourstravel time separating you leads to missing someone.. not at all. :p

Kareoke (ignore my spelling lapse...) is fun... tho kinda silli

::confused look:: can i ask what is so very special about being top 10? I've never understood that one :p (could also be that I think i've been close once maybe... hehe)

Archwolf and i were also wondering if anyone in here knows of a good lace to look for Celtic wedding sets. We've looked at kelticnations.com, and raru.com, but that's about it.. and rather than hit a random wite, we're looking for good stuff... preferrably of Irish bent.. ::grins crookedly:: tho where's the irony in my being of english decent by blood, and only irish by adoption?

anyway.. i'm off to get silli... marshmallows and Camomille tea!
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Middle of nowhere...., lonely
Saturday, March 3, 2001 11:45:14 PM
IP: 207.42.162.178

BTW
DanielJ>>> AAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!
yep.. that WAS pretty pathetic :D:D
*misses her fur-siblings terribly*
*hugs Daniel and runs out.. to bed this time...
really... ; )*
lain E.Nigma
Saturday, March 3, 2001 11:12:28 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

wow... we have such a lot to talk about...

we got all the way to top thirteen..
:P

anyway.. *I* have something exciting to say...
LYNATI IS COMING TO VISIT ME!!! ALL HAIL LYNATI THE GREAT AND WONDERFUL!!!!!!!
*hugs lynati for being a really super beautiful friend, the likes of which has never before been seen in the land of lain*
and as if that isn't cool enough.. a few weeks after that...VALENTINE IS COMING TO VISIT ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
*has never felt so popular in entire life*
*thinks heart will burst with joy.. what a foreign concept..*
just think... two people in the world think I am worth enough to come halfway across the continent to see... might I just fenestrate here in the corner for a moment and point out the fact that no "friend" I have ever known ever even made the effort to drive the 15 minutes to my house to see me even when my mother was dying...
my faith in the human race is being restored.. nothing short of a miracle, this friendship business, let me tell you..

Anyway, I'm going to bed.. I am POOP-ED and I have to get up early tomorrow!!
*smiles enigmatically at Valentine*
love you all,
lain
Saturday, March 3, 2001 11:05:32 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Well poop. I didn't get the babysitting job. :( Guess I'll have to try and get a job and Togo's.
Beth H.
Saturday, March 3, 2001 11:02:02 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Doug> *grins* Thanks big bro.

I just got the latest newsletter for the Gathering and I have a question for all of you who've gone. I see that they have season openers for TGS and Timedancer: Season Four. Did they show previous ones at the last Gatherings? I'm curious cause I want to see what I missed. Gracias.
SOROW
Saturday, March 3, 2001 10:59:57 PM
IP: a010-0398.dll2.splitrock.net

Lucky 13. <grimace>
Doug and Kit
Saturday, March 3, 2001 10:52:19 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.109.dlls.grid.net

*delurks*

12th?

*relurks*
BrooklynX - [brookx@pacbell.net]
Sacramento, CA
Saturday, March 3, 2001 10:03:35 PM
IP: adsl-63-205-197-14.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

11th ? Yay !
Breee - [breee@cheerful.com]
CanadaSaturday, March 3, 2001 09:52:39 PM
IP: 216.94.88.10

Tenth!
Beth H.
Saturday, March 3, 2001 09:05:22 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*dives in*

NINE???
Lynati
Saturday, March 3, 2001 09:00:23 PM
IP: 207.94.232.78

EIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWA AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
:D
lain
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:58:54 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

seven
josh - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
berkeley, CA, USA
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:54:28 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-95.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Fifth, I thinK? Maybe sixth?

Adios!
Niamhgold
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:49:40 PM
IP: 206.41.204.101

Fifth?
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:49:06 PM
IP: user-37kaoul.dialup.mindspring.com

Forth.

I've got dog pictures. :)

How pathetic can I be?
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:32:00 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-70-193.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

THIRD!
Fire Storm - [Night-flame@usa.net]
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:23:48 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

... and I'm second. **happy dances with her**

At least I think ... :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:21:50 PM
IP: 216.28.101.151

COOLIES!!! I am first. Awesome!!! **does a happy dance** :)

Okay, I'm first in the CR, Coyote has his hot water back...*definitely* signs of the Apocalypse. :)
Lady Corax
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:16:55 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Whoa...First? :)
Lady Corax
Saturday, March 3, 2001 08:14:28 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu