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*Warpmind enters, looking glum.*
Well, Lynati won't be online today, I guess... *Sigh*

Christine: Oooo, a map, too? YAY!!! :)

Fire Storm: I was thinking more as a result of the combination of creatures that drowned there. (A friend of mine mentioned something about a yak riding on a lama carrying an electric eel and a - what're those creatures that almost look like an armored vehicle called again?) As for how well the Gunjack will shield me from a railgun... I'd say pretty well, since he's the one with a finger on the trigger, y'know? };)

Winterwolf: Your 333MHz runs software demanding 500MHz? And you dare brag? *Points to old 486.* My recently-renamed machine, Hideous Anomaly, is a 33MHz. SX 33MHz even. And I've played a game that demands a DX4 100MHz as the absolute minimum. Who's got bragging rights? };)

Jannie: Problem is, far as I could figure out from my talk with the US Embassy, the rules are thusly: the Employer must apply for a work visa for me, and for the duration of the processing, I have to be in Norway. A technicality that annoys me to no end.

Lynati: MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMPH!!! :) Okay, I can die happy now. ;) (But with any luck, I'll LIVE happy, instead.)

Denis: Woohoo, that comic sounds FUN! Spare a copy of the English translation for me, huh? ;)

Mecord: You could have fun with substituting the ogre with your boss, or with my buddy who did? };)

Josh: So, if I were to point the Lance of Quixote at you, you wouldn't worry? (Then again, since it has a +20 to-hit bonus against windmills, and a -5 to-hit penalty whenever there's a windmill within five miles, why should you?) ;)

Gside: You don't work well without your meat? Y'know, I'd say that's a pretty common male trait... oh, wait, you meant *food*! };) Don't DO that in a CR with so many gutterminds, y'hear? };)

Well, that's about it. Catch y'all later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, March 17, 2001 08:25:51 AM
IP: mp-216-44-70.daxnet.no

Was distracted again, and I don't work well without my meat. Will attempt to catch up tomorrow.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, March 17, 2001 04:33:40 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

since I've been on one!
Doug
Saturday, March 17, 2001 02:33:53 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.165.dlls.grid.net

such I've been on one = since I've been one. :)

One other thing: See Enemy At The Gates. It is a really good movie, one I will enjoy seeing again with Kit when she gets back. Great acting, great script, awesome cinematography, good emotional displays and characters, development's there and wonderful, history is incorporated wonderfully and you get a very good sense of the times, the love story is heartpounding just like the suspense, the music is excellently composed and conducted... In short, if this movie had only come out two months sooner, the awful excuse for a movie known as Gladiator would have a serious contender for all the awards for which it's been unjustly nominated and may be undeservedly awarded. :( Let's at least make Enemy at the Gates a big hit at the box office, people. See it, I can guarentee you will enjoy it.
Doug again
Saturday, March 17, 2001 02:11:34 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.165.dlls.grid.net

Winterwolf: Shifts are 8-10 hours, depending on the store. Rubio got an 8-hour shift today, and the 10-hour one following it. Once it's done (it will be at 7) he can go home to sleep. I agree he deserves a medal, he's probably already gotten one. :) Thanks for your prayers to my sister, I'm sure she'd appreciate them. Yes, Sarah is a beautiful name- unfortunately it's just her nickname though. Her real name is Shelley, like the poet, but she didn't want to be called by a name that contains the word hell, so... Funny, she's not very religious. <shrugs>

Imzadi: I'm not a Mac user. PC all the way. :) <reader for your fic> Yeah, I'm interested. Just send it my way, I'll give it a lookover.

Jannie: They're not serving peanuts on airplanes anymore? <mouth falls open> Guess that shows how long it's been such I've been on one. Geez, crashes, delays, now this. I will continue driving everywhere as much as I can! :) <McD's food being banned> I hope not, I often survive on that food at work (McDonald's being inside the store I usually guard), if they take away my right to revitalize my energies on duty with it I will be very mad. <growls> <panic and fear> Yes, this is all very sad indeed. <sighs> I hope to God the time soon passes, and will be keeping that girl in my prayers.

Denis: Hey, long time no see. :) <claps loudly at bit to Fred> Well said, man. Well said. :)

SJ: <sighs> A lot of the time the middle ground is my real opinion. This time...well, I may have just given a hint. :( Sorry I'm not impressing you with courage. The majority of men live lives of quiet desperation, and I am a member of that group.

GXB: Thanks for your support, it's appreciated. :)

Puff Daddy: The man still has a violent death waiting for him sometime in his future, innocent verdict or not. His choice of lifestyles will see to that, just like it did for his best friend Biggie and the amazing artist Tupac Shakur. <sigh>

Jaden: Glad the snow's gone. :)
Doug - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Saturday, March 17, 2001 02:07:25 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.165.dlls.grid.net

<-- This time around: Valkyrie (Demo) to pair with FS's Steel Clan Robot (Demo) pic choice. :)

FIRE STORM: <<Yeah, Lady Mystic dosn't like me looking at, touching, or flirting with other women. I can't figure out WHY! :)>> Oh, just like you not liking me looking at, touching and flirting with other men/women. *smirk* Although, you can joke about it because we haven't yet been in that situation. So far, I just haven't felt the need or desire to look or flirt around. And thankfully you're past your need and desire. *HUGS*

IMZADI: <<List of things NOT to do: be on a leash.>> FS was making a joke about the said "whacking" and going to the Gathering alone. (It's one of the rare occasions where we can get away from the family. ;) ) If he's on a leash, then so am I. And if that's a part of being in a well-balanced, romantic, monogamous relationship then I'm proud of it. <G>

ANYONE INTERESTED: I'm not saying that I'm totally definite on this but... It seems like the people who make comments about "being on a leash" (or other not-so-friendly terms) in a relationship are the ones who are either not in a relationship or are not in a healthy well-balanced relationship (ie: go along socially learned stereotypes concerning partners in romantic relationships). I'm not implying anything to you, Imzadi. Your comment just reminded me of the people I've run into IRL. Hope you are not offended and that you understand.


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Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Saturday, March 17, 2001 01:45:31 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

My Gunjack is not online when I need to talk to him.. : (
lain
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:36:53 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

"Understanding is a three-edged sword." -Kosh Naranek

Actually it has been said by certain lawyers. I believe JMS stole it from them or he has been listening to lots of NPR.

Anonymous
Friday, March 16, 2001 10:14:49 PM
IP: 220-pool4.ras12.ilchi.agisdial.net

*hugs Imzadi*
yeah.. I was just being annoying, I know. I do that.. just ask Jannie... heh...
;)

By the way Jannie.. got your email.. tee hee, he is a rather dashing young thing ;)
lain
Friday, March 16, 2001 09:52:04 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Ah, Fridays. I've decided that I won't be going to class on Friday for the rest of the semester, so every weekend is now a three-day weekend! Joy of joys! Unfortunately, I have to spend this weekend studying for my physics midterm on monday.

Doug: <<on a certain folder in my desktop>>: Would that be the PSL folder? Cuz that's where MY demona icon is. <<young beautiful female persuasion>>: Ooh! All this gargoyle stuff and cute chicks too? ::eyes deviously shift around:: <<women driving SUVs>>: I grew up in LA, the home of SUV-drivin', cell-phone chattin' soccer moms. They are the worst drivers to grace this planet. Between them and the ditsy girls I grew up with, its easy to see where I get my prejudice against women drivers. <<gallant knight complex>>: I have no such complex. ::waves hand dismissingly:: <<Hey, I'm not married yet>>: Whatever... ::makes whip-cracking noise:: <<I would never work for such low pay>>: Well, the hours are incredibly flexible (I basically work when I want). I may 4-10 dollars per call. So how much I make depends on a lot of things, like how many macs have problems that people can't fix (I don't know if you're a mac user, but usually fixing a problem involves pressing the restart button and that's it). I'm not working to pay the bills, just to supplement my allowance and build towards that shiny new powerbook g4 that I'm drooling over. <<I'd like to check out your fic>>: Well, I feel like I need at least another reader before its released...interested? Lain's already read it. <<doesn't own an iron>>: Not only do I not NOW own an iron, I don't expect I ever will. <<items you buy just to set on fire>>: LOL.

GXB: It's possible to be a liberal who's pro-gun. I'm a republican in favor of abortion.

Lain: <<I was all sad and lonely and stuff last night so I went to bed cos noone wanted to talk to me>> Bullshit! Don't try to make everyone pity you and stuff. I was online and _I_ wanted to talk to you! But you bailed. Cute conversation with X about villians.

Warpmind: Fortunately, I am immune to imaginary weapons. Not imaginary numbers though, as those can actually have an effect on my grades.

DPH: Beautifully graphic beating of JRSU.

FS: <<What do they plan on gaining from a FREE service?>>: Remember, this was during the dot-com boom of a few months ago. Investors were drooling to sink their money into ANYTHING related to tech, even free services. Don't ask me what they thought they were gonna get out of it. That's where the "stupider" part of my comment came from. <<Lady Mystic>>: List of things NOT to do: be on a leash. <<It is probally copper>>: Study up on your NORAD history. It's steel. If not aluminum. But its definitely not copper. Kind of expensive for wallpaper. I was thinking of going with a pressed-metal thing in my future home.

Jannie: Sucks about your friend. Paranoia is both funny and stupid that way. I remember wearing all black to school the day after columbine (my shirt said something along the lines of "go away or I'll bite you"). I drew more than a few concerned looks.

Lynati: I don't remember Brooklyn yawning, but a detailed, full-body picture of him would be MORE than welcomed for my icon set. Anyone wanna do lex and broadway? How about Angela? Hudson? Bronx?

And now, my general philosophy on dating:

The ideal date is someone who parties with you till 4:30 in the morning and then turns into a pizza.
- Van Halen

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, March 16, 2001 09:17:01 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-152-142.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Everyone having a good weekend so far? I hope so.

Winterwolf- Glad I could help even if it was unintentional.
;)

Bullies- Yeah we've all had them, me I was pretty much teased my entire 6th-8th grade year because it was a small private school and they needed someone to mess with so they could feel superior and better about themselves. Luckily high school was much bigger and no one really bothered me, I also learned that it was easier just to be invisible to most of the people there.

Knight Rider 2020- Please explain further, I remember a 2000 but not 2020.

Kit- Speaking of weekends...IT'S A THREE DAY!! AND IT'S MINE, ALL MINE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Fire Storm- Napster isn't down, I'm using it right now.

Doug- Actually the snow is gone. YES! Bye-Bye, later, no more, Rain, we have rain, warm weather is on the way.

Well got to go, later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 08:32:28 PM
IP: 211.237.77.56

Whew... I am EXHAUSTED. Today was moving day at work for TWO departments, Bridge (which I am in) and Highway. About two dozen engineers doing manual labor all day, moving workstations and computers and boxes and boxes of books and binders... in short, organized chaos. But all the furniture shuffling is done and I have a shiny new cubicle in the newly remodeled wing on the tenth floor of the beautiful (yeah right) Rockefeller Building in downtown Cleveland. And we have so much SPACE now... it's wonderful. I know it won't last... but I'm going to enjoy it while it does. >:)

Doug > Just amending what kathy said... that doesn't mean that we would not find a way to show our appreciation for the generousity of anyone who wanted to send along a little more in support of the Gathering. We just don't want anyone creating a financial hardship for themselves on the Gathering's behalf. But if you do feel generous, start with the supporting memberships for you and yours, and then order a t-shirt or two. And don't forget our charity auction - we can always use donations towards that.

Also, we don't want anyone to forget that the easiest thing anyone out there can do to help us is simply spread the word about "Gargoyles" fandom and The Gathering. The latest version of our flyer is always available for download right off our web site, and the more conventions it travels to in the hands of other "Gargoyles" fans, the better. :)
Patrick Toman - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 08:20:32 PM
IP: ac9086d4.ipt.aol.com

Hello peoples! Cat has been in Colorado but is returning tomorrow. I don’t think I’ve been so excited for a day to happen since I was a kid on Christmas Eve. Unfortunately this also heralds the end of spring break for me and it’s back to the tedium of homework and sleep depravation. That also means a certain person will be back at work on Monday *shudder* I think I can count the number of people I really don’t like on one hand. This is one of them. Lazy and irresponsible is just the beginning. I’m beginning to suspect she does it just to annoy me. I don’t think she realizes I’m just biding my time before she gives me enough reason to fire her.

Anyway, here’s a few replies.

Josh>> <You banned chocolate!? … Oh...nuts.> That reminds me of a joke about male and female brownies….

Doug>> $<Thanks for not getting mad about the RP events> Having GM’d role playing games I have learned to role with unexpected events and still stay on the stories intended track. Besides it wasn’t to different from what I had originally planned. So no worries. That’s the nature of the RP anyway.$ As for wedding, three months from today 8D. If anyone wants to send presents, send them (or bringing them would be better) to the hotel during the Gathering in LA. :)

Warpmind>> <a friend of mine substituted the ogre in Quake with his boss...> hehehehehehehehehe Oh I could have fun with that…. }:)

SJ>> You're right that the mentioned events should not be buried. They should be remembered so that we can avoid repeating them. If we ever spiral back down the same path we did before, then we show that we learned nothing and we might as well all go our seperate ways (okay maybe that's a little extreme but I hope my point is made by it). Those were dark days my friend, I think we're all a little edgy about talking of it again.

Guns>> I find it pointless to quibble for new gun control methods or laws. The guns are already out there and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Besides, if someone wants to kill someone, they will find other methods if no gun is handy. Removing Guns from honest people will only make the dishonest people more confident. Then the murder rate goes up. Give everyone a gun who can use it responsibly (i.e. training, respect, and what all) then the dishonest with guns will be forced to be more honest.

Jannie>> <Thank you for your respect of teachers> You’re welcome. I always got along better with my teachers than my “peers” anyway. My mother also teaches the children with learning disabilities at a local Jr. High. She does a lot for those kids and has been known to throw her weight around to get what they need. <Sure a different world in Louisiana, huh?> You should try Utah sometime. Talk about your different worlds…. <“I am Borg”> Uh oh, you’re the Borg Queen???!! <Smoking, peanuts and Big Macs> *laughs uncontrollably* Sorry, but when I read that I didn’t catch the comma. Smoking peanuts and Big Macs…… heheheheHAHAHAHA *wipes a tear away* Somehow I don’t think they’ll replace marijuana on the black-market if banned… *chuckles* <Word got out and now she is being constantly harassed> ugh, people can be such idiots at times. Just what this girl needs, to be provoked into feeling like she needs to use a gun again. Grrr. *goes in search of stupid people to hit over the head with a herring*.

You guessed if it’s RP TIME!!!

*****WARNING INCOMMING RP VENTURE OUT OF SHELTER AT OWN RISK*****
It was a powerful spell that Gar cast. Only a handful of the best wizards know of it’s existence. They call it the Shattered Soul because of a theory that it has power enough to destroy the soul as well as the body. Only two wizards have been known pull it off successfully. Only one has been known to counter it. With the mastergem Gar made it sound like a simple lightning spell. Lithanne should have been nothing more than a scattering of quarks in the wind. But the female elf stood there unharmed and blissfully unaware of how close to utter annihilation she had come.
Gar turned to where Mecord hung chained on the wall. Only Mec wasn’t there anymore. A redheaded human was in his place, glaring at the evil mage.
“Ah, about time David.”
“Lithanne’s knife mannaged to arouse my consciousness. I was stalling. Everytime I come back it takes a minute for the memories to integrate.”
“Yes fascinating… Ask me if I care. I owe you a painful and slow death. But I’m not stupid enough to risk keeping you alive that long!”
“I’ll let you kill me if you let her go.”
“You’re not in a position to bargain here!”
“I won’t go without a fight,” the chains holding David fell away.
Gar laughed, “I have a mastergem. Took me years to find it. It has enough power to override your apparent immortality and leave you good and dead once and for all. You can’t fight me.”
David grinned, “Alright, then I wont.”
Gar was taken back by this statement. Then realized there was a fourth person in the room. Too late, a makeshift club fell. Gar sprawled on the floor and the mastergem clattered against the wall.
David nodded to ShadowWolf, “Shadow, glad to see you came through on your end of the deal.”
“Stow it elf,” he snapped, “I have bigger problems at the moment.”
With that the werewolf left again.

Meanwhile in Area 51…
Senthet was telling Bardic about Lloky’s adventure in a hidden city when Thicarrn stumbled in.
“He killed Mec,” Thicarrn wheezed, “and he has Lith again.”
“What? Who?” Senthet could hardly speak.
The door was blasted off it’s hinges. Blue robbed men entered.
“We are the Arcane, followers of GAR!”
*****Okay that’s enough for today*****

later!

Mecord
Friday, March 16, 2001 07:54:48 PM
IP: proxy1-external.saltlk1.ut.home.com

DOUG> I have no problem at all with the position you take. You're not a wuss at all, rather you take a neutral view on many things and don't see everything in black and white. You don't have to take a side at all.

"Understanding is a three-edged sword." -Kosh Naranek
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Friday, March 16, 2001 07:52:52 PM
IP: dialin-758-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Wow, what a big surprise--Puff Daddy got off on all charges. I'm in a state of shock here. Gee, how could this happen.
Please, like no one saw this verdict coming from a thousand miles away. The only celebrity in the last 20 freakin' years who's ever had to do any jailtime was Roberty Downey Jr., and that's because he had so many goddamn needle tracks in his arm that no one could deny he had a problem anymore. If you're rich and famous, I'm convinced the prosecution could have videotape of you committing murder, and you would STILL get off because any jury that they pick will be more interested in getting your autograph than putting you away.

Doug: I just really feel sad for you. I really do. Cause it's not about old arguments from long ago, you take the middle ground on everything possible. And that just depresses me, because yes, you might be cowardly, because it doesn't seem as if you are man enough to stand by your true convictions. You say that if you told anyone your real opinions, not many would like them. That's an excuse for not expressing yourself? I'm of the belief that no one should ever regret what they say as long as what they say is how they truly feel inside of themselves. It shouldn't matter if your opinions would be unpopular. Say what you will about Fred, at least he is willing to speak his mind, even though he *knows* that what he says will most likely be unpopular to at least someone. You just don't seem willing to want to stand up for what you really believe, you'd rather just take the middleground and cover your own ass. I'm sorry, that just saddens me a little, because I thought that you had more backbone than that. You shouldn't be worrying about whether you alienate everyone in the room, or upsetting Kaioto (least of all that, he's got a hardon for other people in the room). Did you feel that way with Aris? You actually showed me something there. You actually stood up and said your piece instead of towing the line. I'm not gonna debate whether or not the thing between you and Aris was "right" or "wrong", but at least you showed some testicular fortitude.

But about this "let's forget past arguments", or in Doug's words, "wishing things would stay dead and buried"....these things always find a way to be conveniently buried, and then they fester, and then weeks/months later a situation arises, and everything stirs up again, and people wonder why. Well, it's BECAUSE these things are conveniently buried. And I'm not just talking about Fred here. There's a reason why Paul Allan Nathans isn't here anymore, or Aris, or Jewel, or fill in the blank. And everyone wants to look the other way.
But then again, why should I waste breath arguing, by this time most of you are putting your fingers in your ears and humming to yourselves.

Lain: You're not a moron, but you are a jerk. ;)

Kaioto: Forgive me, I misrepresented myself. I was not upset at the implied threat, but in the manner in which it was presented. As in, "with much glee."

FARSCAPE FANS: Don't forget that the 3rd season of Farscape begins TONIGHT!!! At 9 p.m. on the East Coast, on the Sci-Fi channel. They'll be airing a 1 hr. primer to the show before the 3rd season premiere, so if you aren't familiar with the show, or are only a casual viewer, I suggest you tune in and watch it. It may inspire you to become a diehard fan. At the very least, you will be entertained for 2 solid hours. :)
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 07:09:00 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

hello, guys

Christine: Archmage's gonna be aviable at the Gathering? YAY! Keep one for me, please! Because it's sure and certain that I'll be there!

A bit of announcement: As some of you already know, I'm currently writing the scenario for a comic book, or should I say "bande dessinée", since it'll be done for a french formated comic book. So far, we don't have an editor yet, and my partner Miguel, who's doing the peniciling, inking and coloring, is currently working on the pitch sample that will be shown to miscelanious french editors like Soleil, Delcourt ou encore Les Humanoides Associés. For the echoes we received, it is promising.
The titles of the series is Wide Eyes Inc. The series tells the adventures of a group of mercies (mercenaries)in a universe that mix cyberpunk, space-opera and mythology.
I think that gargoyles fans are gonna like this one.
End shameless plug..err announcement ;-P

A little word about the Gathering. I'm looking for a room for the last night (monday 25th to tuesday 26th) and a lift to the airport, most likely to LAX, Burbank being a bit too expensive to me, poor belgian fan who'll fligh from Brussels. Please lemme know in time if an arrangement can be made. thanks in advance!

What follows is well an open answer to Fred's post.
POTENTIAL CONTREVERSIAL CONTENT!

I just read it. Well, both actually. And all I can do is to sigh. I'm not totally white in the outline affair.
YES, I PURPOSEFULLY ignored Fred's request about the TGS part, and especially Timedancer... YES, I PURPOSEFULLY integrated magic and vampires in the outline. But I did it for the sake of the stories. I WANTED to make the magic present because it's part of the show's universe. Gargoyles without magic wouldn't be Gargoyles. Ffor the vampires, well, They ARE canon elements of the show. Remember in Ill Met By Moonlight, when Elisa asks to the Princess Katherine about the silver. The Princess answers her that silver is for werewolves and vampires.

Well, it looks like I failed in my attemps. *shrugs* It's not my ficseries, though. It's Fred. And it's not like I don't have my own li'l verse to play in and experiments with, nowadays. So if he wants to totally write those plots off, that's up to him. I don't give it a bip anymore. End of the fanfic outline part

Another point, though really made my neck's hair stiff up, almost turn bright yellow. I'm fed up with it, Fred. really. This anti-sex-in-fics crusade of yours is really going too far. I respected your opinion, and let it slide till now. It's your right to not like it. I don't share that opinion, but I respect it. But what I do NOT like, nor condone is that you call it wrong or evil, and attack people who write, draw, or read hot stuff (stories or art)personnaly, and/or insult them. that is going too far, and I'm here asking you to stop that. You expressed your opinion, people here know how you feel about hentai, shall we call it. That is enough.
What you are doing now borders, to me, to verbal terrorism.
and that is something I do NOT accept from my friends, especially if other friends of mine are aimed by your attacks.
I hope you see my point. If not, well, that's your problem, and I'm NOT going back to it, nor answer to any further developpement on that topic. Period.
*breath deeply, channeling his Chi Yin*

That's all for now

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Friday, March 16, 2001 06:48:26 PM
IP: adsl-35190.turboline.skynet.be

*Lynati enters*

eep! half an hour left...must finish packing!!

Warpmind: *SMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHH*
...
That is all.
;)

lain: heh hehehehe heheh...:)

Imzadi: actually, the pic I am working on that I want to submit to you for possible iconization is of Brooklyn...*reads other comment*...*wicked grin*
Heh..in the TV series, do you recall him yawning those couple times?

V: Har Har. No, I would just repeatedly slap the parents and teachers (who weren't doing there jobs)in the head with a frozen mackerel until their brains started working.
Oh, and my Dad has three Stan Rogers tapes that he is (at some point) going to copy for me.

*Lynati Exits quickly*
Lynati
Northward Bound
Friday, March 16, 2001 05:32:47 PM
IP: 205.184.255.168

Christine> I’m afraid I’m not very creative enough to participate in any role playing =\ * chuckles * ask Denis ;) I’ll take your word that Fairy Meat is ok to do : ) Thanks!

Warpmind> No, you can’t stay and work on a “visitor’s” visa, but won’t that buy you some time until you do find a job and then switch it over to a work visa? I’m not very familiar with how the visa system is, though.

School shootings – a friend of mine was very distraught last night. It seems that her daughter was involved in a class discussion concerning the shootings and mentioned that there was a time when she wanted to shoot some classmates. This girl has been thru a lot of emotional problems and depression and has finally began improving… these were thoughts that she had during *that * period of time, not at the current time. She was hauled off to the office immediately and once she explained what she really meant (old thoughts & feelings) they let her go back to class. It didn’t stop there, though. Word got out and now she is being constantly harassed, parents are calling the school in a panic, and people are driving by their home shouting profanities and throwing trash on their yard. * sighs* Her mom was called yesterday to come pick her daughter up from school because she was being harassed so much by classmates… it was “safer” for her to leave school than to be there. (what’s wrong with this picture??)
This really does show the panic and fear that people have over the shootings. Every time I heard of another school shooting, I always felt a level of fear when walking back thru the school doors to go to work. The time of “safe haven” no longer exists and that’s sad indeed.

DPH> * hugs* It sounds like you could use a hug about now. I hope that life improves for you soon.

Jaden> you said, “Trenchcoats-Right now I'm wearing a leather almost ankle length jacket and I'm still me. It's not the clothes, it's in the mind.” Actually, what clothes you wear also create an “attitude” or how you present yourself. That’s not wrong, it just happens. It’s doesn’t change who you really are, but the way you behave can be based on what you are wearing. Example: if you are wearing jeans, t-shirt, tennis shoes – you’ll be more apt to be casual…. If you are wearing a suit, tie, wing-tip shoes – you’ll be more apt to conduct your behavior in a more distinguished manner. (for males.. apply dress, high heels, etc. for females) ;) You are still the same person, you just conduct yourself according to what you are wearing. =)

Cliché’s…. LOL those are funny and I haven’t heard a lot of them! “the wheel’s turning but the hamster is dead”… that’s my favorite!

Spacebabie> I don’t like stingers either…. Bee’s make honey..*nods* but it’s bee spit! Ewwww! *giggles *
I hope your arm is doing better now! =)
I finally got the chance to watch Lone Gunman and I liked it! The guy does look like an old Garth, huh? *L*

Daphne> I’m a no-doner too, but unfortunately it’s not because I’m too thin *jealous * Mine is a medical reason – I don’t understand why, though *shrugs * Ohwell, I hate needles anyway. I turn into a screaming baboon when they come near me with a needle. Hehehe

Winterwolf> “Texas> Have you ever noticed that if you swap the vowels in Texas you get Taxes... things that make you go hmm. ^_^”
Funny you should mention that…. Back in the “Ann Richards’ days” that’s what a LOT of Texans referred to the state as. While the taxes have improved – and we still don’t have a state income tax (thank you former Gov. Bush) other costs have increased. =\
Houston is now in the top ten cities in the U.S. for the high cost of living. Our electric company announced yet another rate increase for this upcoming summer – making it a total of 30% increase in less than one year. As if the rates weren’t high enough! Geesh!

Kaioto> *gasps* you DO have a sense of humor! ;) The troll stuff is cracking me up… heheh
Since you mentioned, in gesture, banning McDonald’s… would you believe that there WAS an attempt to outlaw most of their meals? Since they are high in cholesterol and and therefore deemed unhealthy, they (some self-righteous group) were trying to have a ban put on them. Yes, now they want to tell you what you can and cannot eat. I’m tellin’ ya folks – it’s not too far off before this will actually happen. Where will it end? Anti-smoking laws now, no peanuts on flights…. What is next? Perfume? Ice cream? Soft drinks? I’m not being silly, either… we are loosing more of our rights than people realize. Smoking, peanuts and Big Macs… what is this world coming to…

Pistoff> cyborg… * L* yeah, I’m a cyborg now ;) Remember when I had that tube up my nose and into my stomach? Hehehe “I am Borg” ;)
Damn, you have to move?? Ick! I can certainly sympathize with you on that one *nods * Well, hopefully the new home that you are moving to will be better than the one that you have now and it won’t be sliding down the hill!
As far as what has been going on in here and people not seeing the truth as it’s presented – I guess the old saying, “their perception is their truth”

XenaTrek> I think you would make an excellent counselor! You know from personal experience what is going on with other kids and they could use the knowledge and experience that you’ve had to learn how to cope with it themselves. You have a gift when it comes to counseling and I think you should possible explore this possibility : )

Lain> I’m very saddened by your cousin’s life. Her parents are not doing her any favors by babying her all the time and not allowing her to be a normal person. I saw this happen way too many times while working with the special ed area…. Parents not allowing their handicapped child live as normal of a life as possible. Many times they won’t even discipline the child –which only compounds any disability the child might have. I realize that parents usually feel guilty somehow when they have a child with a disability and that there are times when certain considerations and allowances need to be made – but the more the kids can be treated as “normal” the better off in the long run they are.
I think dad’s do have a harder time of accepting a child that is less than “normal”. We had a lot of problems with Anna during her early elementary age and when it was finally diagnosed as A.D.D. – I jumped right in to get her assistance and medication – her father fought me every step of the way. Not because he was against the medication, but he didn’t want to admit that his daughter had a disability. I’ve been observing Michael and have noticed an occasional jerk of his head that he’s not even aware of doing…. Tourettes, maybe? I don’t know, but when I mentioned it to his dad… ohboy! *rolls eyes * I continue to monitor him and will take him to the doctor if I think it warrants it.
I was also sad while reading about your memories – or lack of them – of your mom. I think that in time, it will all come back to you. I forgot things about my grandma for a while but now I can hear her voice crystal clear. Sometimes a scent will remind me of her… it will come back to you *hugs*

Coyote> good luck in your classes! =) How long do they last? It is a good feeling knowing that you _know _ what’s going on in a class, huh? *chuckles*

Beth> *giggles * congrats on your upcoming date! Let us know how it goes, ok? =)

Emambu> where in Louisiana are you going? I used to live in Lake Charles, Sulphur and Monroe : ) Sure a different world in Louisiana, huh? *chuckles * I enjoyed my time there, but wasn’t *too * sad to move from there. ;)

Firestorm> ack! You have heart arrhythmia? Do you take medication for it? I have to take Tenormin to keep my heart from racing too much and skipping beats. Very scary stuff to feel when it’s out of sync *nodnodnod*

Bronx> THANK You for posting GB’s address =) I’ve wanted to send him something, but didn’t know where to send it!

Mecord> very good points about who is going to teach bullies not to be bullies. Unfortunately most children who are bullies come by it honestly…the fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree – the parents were/are bullies themselves. *sais* Thank you for your respect of teachers : ) *hugs* Teachers teach for the love it and not for the money, I assure you! (most teachers)

Gunjack> *chuckles* well, they did sort of take it all apart ;) I was curious myself after the bypass surgery what all they actually did, but was not in the frame of mind to really listen about it just yet. After being home a week or so, I saw on TV one of those “real life” ER shows and they were doing heart surgery on a gunshot victim… that’s when I saw how they opened my rib cage. O.o They use a rib spreader to open the ribcage wide enough to work on the heart…. Ouch! After seeing that, I had several nights filled with nightmares – very weird knowing that they did that to me. I *think* they laced the ribcage or at least drilled small holes to put the wires in and laced it straight across…. I’m not really sure.

Kit> hehehe, I don’t need a medical form for explanation, I can just show them my scars ;) Instead of my old nickname of Mama Fox, I’m thinking of changing it to Scar Fox now…. *L*

Gun control> as the old bumper sticker says… when they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns – or something like that. They will have to pry my S&W 357 from my dead cold fingers. Responsibility of gun owners… well, d’uh. That should go without saying.

Personal homefront – the real estate agent came last night. I was very pleased with the increased market value of my home, but was a bit miffed that I really do need to replace the carpet. Eesh. I wanted to give a carpet bonus at closing, but of course, the agent would have to work a bit harder to sell the house and we wouldn’t want *that* to happen. *rolls eyes* In the long run, though – it will bring a higher price for my home and money will be returned several times over. I shouldn’t complain… I’ve gotten good mileage out of the carpet ; ) The house will officially go on the market April 1st – wish me luck!

*ties a pretty blue bow in Denis’s hair* la la la… hehehe, ;) you love me, though *w*

ohmy… I think I’m competing with Kit and Doug now! ;) just kidding!

*whispers loudly* BTW... Sunday, March 18th will be Denis's birthday!! ;)

Jannie
Friday, March 16, 2001 05:01:10 PM
IP: 190.houston-01rh16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Winterwolf>> That's very true. Life is fragile. That's why you don't foolishly tempt fate, and have to accept a certain amount of risk is inherant in every investment. Your investment in Life is not insured nor is performance garentied. Your mileage may vary.
Kaioto
Friday, March 16, 2001 04:33:37 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

****Kyryn peers into the CR****

SJ> Why not combine both sports? We'll have wrestling on the hoods of cars racing at over 100mph! It would definitely add more drama and action!

Tamerlane> Timedancer is in breakdowns production right now. Basically that means that it will probably be several months before it starts again. We can't give out a firm date because we're still hashing out storylines for the season.

Later, All!

****Kyryn's eyes slowly close and she disappears.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Friday, March 16, 2001 04:30:49 PM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Well to anyone that celebrates it, have a Happy St. Patrick’s Day tomorrow! I’ve some Irish blood in me veins, with some red color in my hair and green eyes. I’ll be sure to drink a pint for everyone in the CR. ;P

I wonder who will remember what comes up two days after that on March 19. Hint it’s something fishy. Second to last day for it you know. ;D

SOROW> Hope you have a great time this weekend. I’m sure Doug will help make it so! :)

Beth> <Yippee Skippy> That is a cute phrase! I laughed till I stopped. ;) <going out with the guy you like> That’s great! I hope you have a good time! <Japanese visitors> Hopefully you can get to see some new anime. Yes this is where my priorities on visitors from Japan are. I’ve just gotten so used to friends going to Japan and coming back with all this good anime to watch! ;)

Reliable computers> I don’t know I haven’t had any problems with the PC I’ve had. My 333 MHZ right now still plays anything even if the minimum requirement is 500 MHZ. ^_^ My previous 100 MHZ computer can’t do that but it is still rock solid and manages to run software that has minimum requirements above the actual hardware in it. My sister took that one away from me so that’s why I got the 333. ;)

Lain> You are not a moron! There used to be times when I didn’t ask for help myself. Things are so much better if you get help or clarification when you need it. I can honestly say that things are better for myself since I’ve opened up more. As for shyness, work on being a little more outgoing. You can be more extroverted! **wonders if anyone will make fun of that word** Don’t be too proud most of us need other people, it just works that way. Don’t be selfish share yourself with others. You are doing a wonderful job of sharing yourself here! ^_^

Feeling shy> For anyone else that is feeling shy, please read the previous reply to Lain.

Kaioto> <risk for fun> I think life is inherently full of risks. I certainly agree some risks are too great but the real question is where do you draw the line? From your comments life threatening seems to be past the line and I can certainly agree with that. To me it’s just funny as the most unlikely sequence of events can result in your untimely end. ;P

Bronx> Tell GB hi for me.

Guns> I agree with Doug, as long as it is used responsibly guns are fine. The one thing I find about guns or any ranged weapon as opposed to your fists or a close combat weapon is that you are distanced from your target. It makes the effect feel less personal and psychologically not as big a deal. That’s my personal experience. On that note I’ve said too much.

Rich people> Just want to point out that rich is a subjective thing. As for laziness that is subjective too. Many that are very well off just have different things to attend to. Sometimes you really like what you do, you are good at it and get plenty of money for it! So there is work and perceived work or lack thereof.

Emambu> <sightings> You’ve been a very rare sighting yourself! ;) <Oreos> Yummy! ^_^ <snowballs> Hey Emambu stand right there on that X. No, no don’t look up to see that big soft mini snow avalanche... **innocent smile** <solo> Oh so le mi oh! You bet I will stop in to listen to you sing in NYC! Speaking of which, I should have a status update within the next week. I have to pester some people in your name! ;P <cousin’s wedding> Congrats to your cousin and have a great time!

Dark Tower> I definitely prefer the Tower of Glass. I read the whole thing and I’m still waiting for the next book. I like it for the most part, crazy and twisted as it is...

Aingeal and Archwolf> I’m saddened that you two aren’t an item anymore. It’s nice to know that at least you two will still be friends.

Imzadi> <Napster quality> My Napster quality has varied greatly. I wind up deleting more often than not. That’s not to mention the odd remixes I find that are just too far removed from the original for my tastes. Occasionally that works out though.

Gside> <Napster - 128 bits> That sounds like my general low end quality. :)

Cloning body parts> Replacing a body part by cloning it really could save lives and improve the quality of health for some. If you really think about it there are a lot of things that are we are just used to because it has been in our lives. It doesn’t mean it is natural or didn’t make people cringe, possibly questioning its morality, when it was first introduced.

Doug> Show SOROW around and make sure the two of you have fun! <Sarah> That’s a beautiful name! ^_^ To better times for your sister! <Kit> So are you going through Kit withdrawal? Oh he has to answer yes now, Kit will see this! **laughs** ;) <18 hours> Four Shifts?!?! Rubio should get a solid gold medal or something for that! How long is four shifts anyway? I’m guessing 32 hours with a shift being 8 hours. Which makes me wonder where 18 hours comes from. Is a shift 9 hours? **gasp** <home front> Well good to know things are quiet that’s better than when things are going bad for you!

Gunjack “insert adjective here” Valentine> <lobstrosity> Yes Stephen King coined that word himself for the lobsters that ate a few of Roland’s fingers.

Christine> <Archmage> Alright, I’ll be making a stop at your table this year then.

That wraps things up for now. Bye bye everybody!

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Friday, March 16, 2001 04:24:32 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Gleeb: <Napster is like the AOL of music downloads. Don't panic, just DL music elsewhere. BTW, I never thought about where Napster get's their money from. Good question.>
What sucks is that I still cannot connect to even their website!
I think Ameritech is blocking them.
<About the fleas- Didn't see any mention of them on that site, but it might be worth checking into elsewhere... that is, if either of us really cares that much. :)>
Hey, it was useless trivia to me. I see no reason either of us should care enough to check that out!

Imzadi: <Napster is being paid for by venture captialists. They're like gamblers, only stupider>
What do they plan on gaining from a FREE service?
<I hear Windows2000 is still missing some features, and its already out!>
Agreed. I still can't get working drivers for my DVD player and my ATI AIW messes up (Memory dump) whenever I try doing anything while it is up.
<You should definitely go to gathering alone this year (figure that whacked FS comes up behind Imzadi) ::WHACK:: OUCH! Hey, he said it first!>
Yeah, Lady Mystic dosn't like me looking at, touching, or flirting with other women. I can't figure out WHY! :)
<Working on what?>
Reviewing the world domination questions.
<The songs aren't supposed to be brilliant or deep, they're supposed to be funny and mocking.>
Why dosn't that surprise me?
<Britney is not a music god in my eyes>
You said the B word! The Jackal may come back to avenge her now!

Gunjack: <And it's back up.>
And I can't connect at all.
<Themes from what?>
The songs from The Hunt for Red October.
<No kidding. That's the problem with MOST bloodhound gang music...>
But you just gotta love that beat!
<Please tell me the flight path isn't traveling over America...>
Every 90 minutes.
<Whoa! When did you find this out!?>
Well, I went in for a EKG for my dentist, and the heart murmur that I had when I was born is now a full blown arythmia.
Oh, and Monday.
<Heh... Will Akane still like Ryouga after she finds out he's been sleeping with her every night?>
Details, details...
<To my understanding, the only way to EMP shield is to completely surround whatever you're protecting with either steel or copper (can't remember which).>
Slag. It is probally copper. I wonder... I mean, there is basic EM sheilding in most TVs.
<Also, I think fiber-optic systems are immune, so there's a second choice>
Yeah. Fiber is definately shielded. But that dosn't help my computer.
<Why?>
Curiousity, planning, wallpaper, you know.

Robby: <You forgot one little thing tho>
Details, details...
I think that MAYBE Akane would take it well IF Ryoga can keep it from her for a while then break it to her nicely...
Wait, we ARE talking about Ryoga...
He's screwed.
<Of course, I've only ever seen one fanfic where Ryoga hooks up with Kasumi...>
Kasumi? Hmmm... I am interested!

SJ: <But the lyrics are the best part of Bloodhound Gang!>
"Put your hands down my pants and I bet you feel..."
Yes, it DOES have some nice poetry! A nice love song!
::The Creativity Demons try to grab control of Fire Storm::
NO! LEXINGTON WILL NOT MAKE THAT LOVE CD FOR GOLIATH! NO!!!
<An honest-to-God African-American is coming to the TV show Friends.>
She was a love interest for Joey AND Ross!

Lain: <speaking of not asking for help... I got me an arythmia cos I didn't ask for help.. smart move, no?>
Yep. I know I was probally born with mine. And I WILL get this checked out!

Emambu: <Yeah, I figured someone had to notice the recent lack of seven full screens worth of grass green text. :)>
Ah... the great unused color!
<What shall I do without Abba? ...I'm a frightened little kitten right now>
'Nip! :)

Gside: <I think just about any conductive material works>
I know that properly shielded wire can prevent most interuptions, but what is necessary to prevent an EMP?
<Because they're so simple (due to space constraints), that the most can be done to them.>
And the fact that most of them already have a great beat.
<But what about Konatsu and Tsubasa? Even cross dressers need love >
Details, details...
What is with Ukyo anyway? She attracts the wierdest people, and that's saying something in Ranma!
<Not a one. Though I might be willing to try them out once I get back.>
If ya can't find them, don't worry.
<A big hinking Faraday cage?>
? What's that?
<Come, join the dark side>
What is thy bidding, my master?
<Sounds like fun. How soon until the finished product is ready?>
Depends... I am not too sure.
Depends on when I start!

Warpmind: <isn't there one Accursed Spring where NOBODY has ever fallen in?>
Probally. There is 1000 of them.
<*Grabs Valentine and holds him up as a human shield.*>
You know he won't protect you against a rail gun!

Christine: <you banned _chocolate_? Oooh, you vicious tyrant you! ; )>
Soon it will be ALL the world's chocolate!

Guns don't kill people. *I* do!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, March 16, 2001 04:14:39 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Hey I was just wondering when Timedancer was going to start up again? I have been following it since the beginning and I really like it. =')
Tamerlane
Friday, March 16, 2001 02:51:39 PM
IP: 38.187.13.129

Well here we go.. this is my contribution to the well-being of the CR today. This is a piece of an absolutely WONDERFUL conversation I had with Greg B. this morning.. partly because I thought it was really funny and partly because it actually has something to do with TGS.. (imagine that... lain posting something to do with TGS.. who would have ever thought??..) I tried to edit as much as I could the intermittent stuff that wasn't important so I hope it isn't too long :)
Anyway.. the idea is that we were discussing what we (or mainly what *I*) would do to any of the TGS villans if they were real and if I were to have met them in Real Life. I hope you enjoy.. and please.. feel free to participate... this could make for a fun TGS discussion ];)
BTW.. my name on MSN instant messenger is "jacob"..

jacob says:
(disrespectin the bad guy.. )
Xanatos says:
hey, villains are people to. They deserve respect
jacob says:
I think that should have said "fancy dancy suit and funky wunky ponytail" but I could be wrong...
(and yes if he was real I WOULD say that to his face )
Xanatos says:
LOL, and I'd say it was nice knowing you
jacob says:
... funky wunky...
indeed... I seem to have a deathwish.. *chortle*
Xanatos says:
well, what would you say to David Xanatos if he was real?
jacob says:
I would be REALLY tempted to tweak his beard...
like... tempted beyond belief...
Xanatos says:
why? he has a cool beard, he inspired me to grow one just like it
jacob says:
oh no, I know it's cool... *I* like it... can't think of anything id like to SAY... it would just be fun to tweak..
Xanatos says:
ok, what about Demona... or Madoc?
jacob says:
oh id call her demie.. and grab her tiara and try it on... and slap her hands and say "hey what, do you think you own the world or something??" when she tried to take it back.. anyone else?
Xanatos says:
Madoc
jacob says:
hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm... now what would I do to HIM... I have no clue.. he's not that easy to make fun of. Oberon neither..
Xanatos says:
yes, he could destroy us with a word
jacob says:
PIFFLE!!! like THAT would stop me...
Xanatos says:
nah you can make fun of how Titania keeps Oberon on a leesh
jacob says:
OOOOOOO!!! id take my big chunk of IRON... and id make it into a cross... and I would make him run away like the vamps on Buffy.. BWA HA HA
Xanatos says:
he'd just teleport behind you and blast you with lightning... I wish I were a fay
jacob says:
oh he would would he? that's what HE thinks... with his fancy schmancy magic.. and his coolie woolie hair..
(oh dear... I need to go back to bed... )
Xanatos says:
or, he'd swell up to the size of the Eyrie Buidling
jacob says:
yeah well he always DID have a big ego..
Xanatos says:
are we talking about Oberon, or Madoc now?
jacob says:
either/or... (oh dear.... makin fun of non-real people is GREAT!!!).. anyone else?
Xanatos says:
Yep. Thailog
jacob says:
hmmmmmmm... well id HAVE to poke him... probably in the ribs..
Xanatos says:
heh. what about Sevarius?
jacob says:
hmmmm.... probably shout something about electric eels NOT being able to incur death like that... and how he should have hired a better writer
Xanatos says:
I think he wrote it himself
jacob says:
I rest my case.. like,... you'd think a DOCTOR would know, eh?
Xanatos says:
well, maybe
jacob says:
hey.. if *I* know... HE should know..
Xanatos says:
yep, I bet he wetn to Hollywood Upstairs Medical College with Dr Nick Riviera
jacob says:
wouldn't be surprised.. stupid crack doctors and their crack... and doctoring..
and doctoring ON crack
Xanatos says:
LOL
jacob says:
and doctoring THE crack..
crackity crack.. (that's probably what's wrong with me, eh?) all the cheap doctored Sevarius crack..

(and who would REALLY be surprised if that were the case? ;))
anyway.. I'll try to shut up now and not make so many really long posts.. at least this one is funny and not depressing, though.. (hey.. I'm movin UP in the world)
:D
love,
lain, "she's such a hoser, eh?" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White Snowy North, where Lynati will be pleased to go, it is snowing rather a lot now... ;)
Friday, March 16, 2001 02:22:01 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

**WARNING: JRSU Death Scene**
DPH grabs JRSU. JRSU starts to run, but DPH yells, "I call upon the forces of Employee Morale and High Productivity to smite JRSU." JRSU replies, "There are no such forces." "Wanna bet," replies mysterious voices. Suddenly a wave of energy comes from out of nowhere and turns JRSU into sand [one cybercookie for the 1st person who caught the reference about the wave of energy. The wave of energy is completely absorbed by DPH. DPH says, "DPH warp digivolve to . . Wait a minute wrong line. Beetle Bonder . . Wait a minute wrong line again. It's Morphin . . Wait a minute, what the heck is the right line. Oh yea, here it is. Magna Consentration Spell." . . .
**END JRSU Death Scene**

Hahaha. If my life were a story, they would have to put "Previously on Daniel" pretty often to keep track of all the threads going on in my life. A former girlfriend (normally I would say friend who is a girl) called yesterday. Last time we had talked she was starting to go through a divorce, but ended up staying around. Well, she decided to divorce him AGAIN, because he is treating her bad. I'll leave it at that. I owe her a lot for helping me thaw out (If you thought I was an iceberg NOW, I do not know what you would call me back then). So much for getting things back to status quo.

I heard that every time we have a potluck at work, someone gets sick. Last night, I had an upset stomach. Thankfully I feel better now. I was happy to see my casserole mostly gone.

On a more personal note, if anyone follows my link, he/she will return into stories I started to write on my own a while back. Part of the premise of the hero is the opposite of the relationship I have with my dad. The planned antagonist was myself as I visionize myself at my worst.

1+1=3

No BFTS RP for now. Must eat BREAKFAST pretty soon.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, March 16, 2001 01:01:40 PM
IP: max1-24.cwy.cei.net

Gunjack > I'm pretty sure 'lobstrosity' was SK's own word, so I can't take credit for it.

Emambu > thank you for the review on AvMists! A lot of people sent in such great stuff, and it's nice for them to know it's well-received.

Kaioto > you banned _chocolate_? Oooh, you vicious tyrant you! ; )

Doug > never had the colors run? You're a step ahead of me, then ... my ex once had me turn all his underpants pink, and it wasn't even on purpose.

Survivor > we're hoping that, now that Ogakor has a comfy edge over Kucha, they'll have the luxury to get rid of Jerri and still keep their majority. Only problem with that being that Amber might get mad at Colby/Keith/Tina and that would make it a 3/3 split with hers a swing vote. Loved Keith's crack about the Wicked Witch of the West -- go, Keith!

Book News > Archmage is finally ready to go! I finished my damn map, Spike's interior art is terrific, and Vig's cover is fan-bleeping-tastic! We're still in time to have it for the Gathering, huzzah!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 01:00:54 PM
IP: 10-082.075.popsite.net

Spacebabie> <Ranma, I rented it from blockbuster and it is pretty funny. I can't help to wonder if their is a spring of a drowned gargoyle or a spring of a drowned Sanjayan((3X3 eyes))> well, there are some Ranma/gargoyle crossover fanfics as well as Ranma/3X3 eyes. I've read them they are pretty kewl. In on of the Ranma/gargoyle, elisa falls into a pool of a drowned female gargoyle. there's also another one where Ranma is teaching Xanatos some martial arts and Ryoga runs into the wierd sisters....but if you want the site, let me know.
Ranma Saotome - [Ranma_Saotome79@tendodojo.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 11:58:20 AM
IP: host-209-214-116-73.bna.bellsouth.net

Grumbles as she enters. She notices Jerri complaining about the way Chibi Deliah was cooking. Space grabs the skinny Bitca by the throught and shoves her into a pencil sharpener and grindes her down to Jerri's sneakers

Yup SURVIVOR SPOILERS
evil evil evil. That is Jerri. I wanted to wring her neck the way she treated Elizabethg, and DANG! I thought jerri would have been voted off but instead Alicia.
Hey I liked Alicia.
but I am beggining to see things through. Ogakor is voting off the Kucha members. Then Keith, Tina, and Colby would most likely vote off Jerri.
I'm beggining to dislike Jerri's satelight aswell.
and I have to say it since SJ talks about Elizabeth
DANG Colby is just so fine!
End Survivor thoughts.

OUTLAW STAR
the first time the sho ran they left in a couple of damns and hells and even one time Gene called Ron a lying B@#%@*d!
but the second time those words were taken out. I guess some people raised a stink but its interesting to see CN pushing the envelope...They still left in Ryoko's damn in Tenchi Universe. They could have left in the words for midnight run though.

Dang Gene is just so Fine!

nice too see GW back on again

Toonami sure did confuse me though. at first I thought the moive for today was Sailormoon R but then they changed it too Tree of Might. Interesting idea is to see Tree of might and watch X men Evolution the next day.

END TOONAMI stuff
Ranma, I rented it from blockbuster and it is pretty funny. I can't help to wonder if their is a spring of a drowned gargoyle or a spring of a drowned Sanjayan((3X3 eyes))

Statistics :P= thats what I say about that subject. Math and I don't mix...thats why I'm a CW major.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, March 16, 2001 11:26:06 AM
IP: user-37kapj9.dialup.mindspring.com

Kathy: You don't need that much generosity? <reads over where money goes> Ok, I think I can live with that. :)
Doug
Friday, March 16, 2001 11:22:31 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.159.dlls.grid.net

Emambu> :) Doug> Me hate typos. TGS> Tepes family is still around remember
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Friday, March 16, 2001 09:50:23 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-131-38.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

SJ>> I wouldn't know. That wasn't a threat, it was a regretable promise.

I'm not throwing the rules out. As much as I may not want to have to do some things, they need to get enforced. I'm not making Fred a special privilages case any more than the slack I'm already cutting. If you disregard the rules to do what you want, you're getting on the wrong end of disciplinary action. That's part of the job and the rules. If you don't like that, you can go to some site owned by someone else who's management Doesn't put up any rules of conduct. Then you won't have to worry about it. 'Til then, if you want to use the privately owned site site that Gorebash so generously provides to the communittee, you'll abide the rules or be out on your butt.

How deeply angered you may be or how unjust the system is will not automatically excuse your actions from being subject to those rules and the policies of enforcement that stem down from them.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 09:35:17 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

*Warpmind enters, coughing a little.*
Howdy... seems I'm almost entirely recovered now... and, typically enough, one ailment replaces the other - today, my sister came home. };)

Jannie: I kinda doubt they'll let you work with just a Visitor's visa... y'know?

Christine: Ummm... *Ludicrous grimace* I am SO NOT going to say anything more... };)

Mecord: I know what you mean, my friend, I know what you mean... *Glances wistfully at Lynati.*

Gunjack: Railgun? Um... only one thing to do, then... *Grabs Valentine and holds him up as a human shield.* Are you *sure* you want to push that button? }:)

By the way, all this Ranma stuff... isn't there one Accursed Spring where NOBODY has ever fallen in? (And what'd you look like if you brushed your teeth in the Spring of Squid, and washed your back in the Spring of Bat?)

SJ: Sure thing. Want me to write a segment myself, or did you mean to handle it? Hmmm... e-mail me about it, 'kay?

Emambu: I generally shun any unnecessary medication - so far, all I've taken are a) cough drops/cough syrup and b) paracet. (The latter because they are fever and pain reducing.) I don't want antibiotics unless I really need'em - better to let my immune system flush out what it can, and work harder on the rest, than to pamper it all the time, and then, when the real infection comes, all the bacteria are antibiotica-resistant... y'know?

Gside: My friend, finding ANYPLACE that actually sells warm food in my area is pretty futile. The little community could be renamed Status Quo... if anyone would allow change...

Josh: You say railguns do not exist? Heh. Heheheheheheheh... you're in for a surprise. *Adds Josh to the human shield.*

Doug: Yeah, there's just something about spotting a hideous monster in the distance and pegging it a few rounds between the frontal lobes from long distance, isn't it? ;) (Even funnier if you play a game with customizable monster models - a friend of mine substituted the ogre in Quake with his boss...) As for knowing my own strenghts... well... I wouldn't say I know my strength 100%... never really reached the redline, y'know... }:)

And now it's dinnertime, so I gotta go, anyway. Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, March 16, 2001 08:52:52 AM
IP: mp-217-209-64.daxnet.no

wow guys.. I was all sad and lonely and stuff last night so I went to bed cos noone wanted to talk to me and oh woe is me and boo hoo and all that and then thismorning, my body decided to wake up and... well there's nothing to DO in rez by yourself at 6am so.. I WROTE AN ESSAY!!!!
that's right.. an ESSAY!!!
that means I GET TO HAND IT IN!!!
BTW this is pretty much a first for procrastination-girl.. ;)
ONWARDS AND UPWARDS to the NEXT essay..

oh.. and Lyn>> here is the official word:
Local Forecast
Today
Snow developing this morning. Wind east to 40 km/h.
High near 1.
Probability of precipitation 100 percent.

Tonight
Snow becoming intermittent. Wind east 40 km/h causing some drifting snow. Low near minus 3. Probability of precipitation 100 percent.

Saturday
Snow ending towards evening. Total snowfall amounts 5 to 10 cm. Wind northeast 30 km/h. Highnear zero.

Sunday and Monday
Sunny. Low near minus 6. High near plus 3.

Tuesday
Cloudy with sunny periods. Low near minus 5. High near 5.

Normals for the period
Low minus 4. High 5.

tee hee... we're gonna have FUUUUUUUN :D (all temperatures are in Celsius BTW because I am too lazy to do the conversions :)

love you,
lain
Friday, March 16, 2001 07:43:57 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Doug wrote> "Kathy: <Attending in Spirit> Tell you what, if Sarah pays me back the money I'm loaning her this semester by June 1st like I've told her to, I'll contribute some of it to the Gathering. At least $500 of the $3000. Will that be alright? (And next year, Kit and I are really going to try our hardest to attend!)"

Doug, that would be *WAY* past all right. That would be amazing and extremely generous. But we don't want to banqrupt you! A Non - Attending Supporting Membership is $15.00. Ten of it goes to the Gathering Fund and the other $5.00 goes to Make A Wish, our designated charity.


kathy - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com ]
Friday, March 16, 2001 07:29:25 AM
IP: rr-56-12-116.atl.mediaone.net

Josh> I was just making fun of the whole gun arguement, cause I'm sick to death of hearing it. I'm actually pro-gun. That's right, a Liberal who's pro-gun. What has the world come to? ;)
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Friday, March 16, 2001 07:19:29 AM
IP: dialin-236-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

BEGIN PART 2!!

**TGS SPOILERS**
A decent follow-up this week. It would have been better with illustrations, but the writing was well-done enough to stand on its own. The Demona development I liked most of all about the episode, seeing where her character is taken as she looks for new allies will be very interesting. It was interesting enough seeing her interaction with the other characters in this episode and her introspection, especially with and regarding Darius, who is turning out to be yet another cool villain to add to the TGS lineup. I like his goals and methods, can hardly wait to see what he plans to do with Balinos's spectre and whatever those boxed-up creatures are (we better find out in Part 3. BTW, one issue I have to bring up now that I think of it- how did he get those crates to the Council under everyone's nose. If I were Xanatos, I'd be worried about the Persian Clan bringing a lot of 'native artifacts' or whatever Darius passed the crates off as, to the Council and not displaying or even mentioning them by now. Maybe the Persians' delay in arrival was engineered so Darius could get the crates loaded while deferring his Council escort's suspicions if any were present. Hmm… Then again, I don't recall any mention of Council escorts for the various clans- how'd they all know where and when to come and to get on the planes? Surely they all didn't just trust a strange robot in a jet saying he was here to take them to the Council. I better go back to Part 1 and look again for what I missed). Darius's possible plans once he takes over the world's gargoyles intrigue me too, hope they'll be hinted at somehow (we all know I don't want him to succeed of course :). I agree with Imzadi that Demona should at least know what necromancy is, but I'm willing to believe she's never worked with it before even in a thousand years of using magic. Other things I liked- Getting to see Goliath not as stoic and not doing that well at dealing with problems diplomatically. I too was LOL at the deep breaths bit. :) Icarus and Delilah had nice developments, and I enjoyed reading the scenes where he voiced the truth he was able to discern about every situation going on behind the scenes at the Council, though I agree with Kit that he did kinda come across as a selfish know-it-all. Those characters can sometimes be interesting, though- we'll see how it turns out. The only point where he's irked me so far was when he came down on Goliath's side in the Elisa debate, then ruined everything by saying it wasn't that important (yeah, it probably isn't in the great scheme of things, but to the Council…). Icarus's secret intrigues me, hope we learn it or at least get a hint next week. My gripes- First, the whole Elisa issue. It was incorporated well, and used well by Darius, but the whole bit of having Elisa and Goliath's relationship universally looked upon with disdain by the other gargoyles at the Council while her parents accepted it all too readily seemed a bit contrived to me. I got it given the story, yeah, but it still felt contrived. Patrick has also made good points about marriage and dangerous lifestyles being in the equation. My other gripe was the whole Lex-Aurora thing. I liked her development in this one, but felt it should have been concentrated on more. I have never liked women who fly off the handle at the slightest perceived insult, and this new TGS character is no exception. She has the potential to be enjoyable and interesting, but so far to me she's really not. :( You can also put me among those who wish Lex would get more satisfaction and less angst, it's driving me nuts how much of the latter he is getting. I agree more of the former would be better in keeping with his character and the storyline, hope it comes soon. Good bits of development with him and Kirstie this week, though like Imzadi I still don't think them having a relationship would work really well. <shrugs> One with him and Aurora would work even less well IMO, I hope it's not on the way. This ep overall had its ups and downs, decent writing on the main plot mixed with a few not-as-good bits with the subplots. Ed's right that it could have used a bit more polish and work on logical scene progression too. I hope the mistakes will be rectified next week and look forward to what is sure to be a thrilling conclusion. <fingers crossed>

P.S. Kyryn, I intend to hold you and the Staff to that promise regarding a lot of pictures. :)
**END SPOILERS**

Imzadi: That is a cool Demona icon. If there's a PC version I'm definitely going to put it on a certain folder in my desktop. <chuckles> I might find uses for some of those other icons also. Thanks for posting them, friend. Thanks for posting the bit about Dark Ages too, I agree with all points made and I too hope the series comes back for a third season. Condolences to you and Daphne on not being able to donate blood, that's something I do whenever I hear of a blood drive as it's the best way to save lives without looking for trouble. :)

Lady Corax/Ravyn: I like both your names. <shrugs> Like Kit said, it's really up to you. If I had to choose, though… <flips a coin>… Ravyn. That name just sounds a lot cooler. :) Glad to have you in here and as a friend, however you want to be called. Oh, btw, I didn't know you had a drag racing license. Congrats on obtaining it, on the second place win Coyote mentioned too. I hope someday Kit and I can be on the sidelines cheering you on. :)

Spacebabie: <Langly as Garth> It's not just you. I've thought that about the character ever since I first saw him. I too enjoyed Lone Gunmen more this week, the plot was still just as contrived but this time it actually worked out to be an entertaining story. More fun bits with Frohike (I was laughing my head off at his moves) and Eva too. <grin>

JRSU's New Name: How about Occupationa Hazard? It kinda makes weird sense for the bad job villain to be female IMO. No offense meant to all the kind hard-working wonderful females in here of course! <raises hands in gesture of peace>

Valentine: Good luck with your cold, sinus, and allergy problems, I hope you soon get over them. Lots of bed rest, video games, and hot soup is recommended by Dr. Doug. :) And also that you come back to the CR and tell us you're okay once you are. :)

Winterwolf: I'm glad that woman isn't persistent too. :) It was four shifts in a row Rubio did, not three. He'll never have to do so many again, we're hoping. Even he agrees he doesn't want to handle anything like it again. :) Abel still scheduled him for 18 hours tomorrow though. <laughs>

Broadway & Angela: I can see the points of people who say he's become a lot less interesting since they got married. On one level I can agree. On another level, a married couple like them can be very interesting if the right stories get written. "Transitions" was definitely one of those, and I'm sure more are on the way. Let's not give up hope.

James: The episode was Enter Macbeth, not End Macbeth. You got the quote right though. I too would like to see Macbeth again before the season ends, if only in one brief scene.

SJ: <rifles> Good credo. I hope you have a similar one for a short-range gun. :) Thanks for the Buffy Spoilers. They better not be planning to do all that you mentioned (Faith must live!!!), but most of the developments sound quite interesting potentially. What really irritates me is we'll have to wait until April 10th and then two more weeks before getting to see if it all comes true or not. :P <Blade 2> They're not doing Morbius? Rats! Before, I was actually looking forward to the movie. Now it just sounds like your typical sequel. :( I guess I'll watch it when it comes out, judge things then. <SOROW> The issue's moot now since I won't be getting to meet her, but I was smiling at the question you asked about Kit trusting me. :) She does trust me, and I would not betray that trust even if I were meeting SOROW. I also acknowledge that SOROW has gone through a severe relationship disappointment recently, some would say she still is going through one- I would definitely respect that and not try to make any moves. I would be a friend to her, and no more. But I might still flirt innocently with her just a bit, I tend to do that with everyone I know who's of the young beautiful female persuasion. <grins>

<moments of silence for Morton Downey Jr. and Robert Ludlum, recently departed great entertainers both>

Conspiracy Theorist: Good luck with the computer trouble, and writing that fanfic for Bengali without her help. Seems strange that she's left the fandom so completely, disappointing too. But hey, what can be done? <sighs> I hope to read the story when you get through with it, please do provide a title and/or link.

Pistoff: Good sketches of your characters and what's potentially interesting about them. I look forward to reading all the developments you mentioned. <what's not to like about Boiler?> I think she's a little too intimidating. But maybe that's the idea. :) Looking forward to the revisions you mentioned, but I hope they won't be too big- your stories are really great how they are. I too am glad you really didn't mean to be trashing Denis. <sigh of relief> He's done a lot of good work for you, you know. It would be a real shame for it to go to waste. Good point about Greg Weisman being only part of the great Gargoyles machine. I agree with you- IMO he was and is a very important part, but you're right that he's still only part. <opinions> The opinions I gave were my real opinions, believe it or not, cast aside all opinions to the contrary. They were opinions I reached after much debate over what I could say about the issue without getting a lot of people mad at me, though, and thus may only be my real opinions because I chose to adopt them. Do I have real original opinions? Yeah, but I don't want to talk about them in here. It would really have consequences no one would like, you least of all probably. Also, like you, I don't see any point in continuing this 'game' (it's not that to me, but…never mind) any further. I just wish you'd at least try to see the points I was making. <sigh> Oh well. I feel your pain on being forced to move, and on the new house being so expensive. Good luck with it, I hope things turn out well and you are able to settle down in this one. Until the next time you have to move at least, which should be far in the future. Good luck catching up on all the stuff you're behind on too, and I hope to congratulate you soon on one of your stories finally seeing print outside the Internet. :)

Kaioto: For the record, I think you were doing your job, no matter what Pistoff or anyone else says. You're very right about issues not being so cut-and-dried as some people think. Not everyone can easily discern that being the case unfortunately. :( I try to, though. <It seems a much better plan to let each other be and try to have a good time> I agree. I'm glad to see most of the room doing that already. Hope we all will be doing it soon. Thanks for reminding those of us who needed it of the merits of such a practice. (And yes, that did somewhat include me, I just chose not to show it flagrantly in here.) Adventure and risk needs a good reason behind it for me too, usually that reason is Kit dared me. <grin>

Xenatrek: My heart also goes out to you on all you've had to live to, I can't imagine leading such a life myself and not ever wanting to end it. You would probably make a great teacher of coping skills. :) I congratulate you on your personal and emotional strength, strength I wish I had myself. May it never fade, and often come in handy to inspire others not to continue perpetuating the kind of acts you describe. <I'm a counselor> I certainly agree you'd be great at that job. Good luck getting it, friend.

Gun Control: As a gun owner and person who will someday be carrying a gun to work every day of his life, I agree that they are dangerous and best used responsibly. No, check that. They should only be used responsibly, either used responsibly or not at all. The control laws we have in place on guns are intended to help foster that responsible use, thus I support them and agree they should be enforced better. Perhaps if they were, we'd have less problems involving guns. I also think every child should be taught about guns, how basically to use them and their dangers. Shielding children from them only opens the door for a host of situations that the child will not know how to handle, and you can not ignore a situation a child may have to handle when grown-up someday while you are teaching them about the world if you expect them to fully mature. I don't want a nation of school shooters, but I don't want a nation of gun-phobics either. Neither would make for a promising future. There must be some middle ground to the issue, all we have to do is find and walk upon it.

Women Drivers: Most of the women I know personally are very good behind the wheel. I've encountered plenty of women who aren't though, thus I can understand the prejudice against them. I share the prejudice when it comes to women driving SUVs, they can be real maniacs. <shakes head> The vehicles used only make them more dangerous. Women who drive while chatting on cell phones are bad too. I will say three things for women drivers, though- I've never seen or heard of one without insurance, their vehicles are usually in much better condition than men drivers with the same type of vehicle, and statistically men get more tickets and cause more accidents. You don't believe me, look it up. As for tough women in the world who are race car drivers, firefighters, cops, or whatever, well, I'm always glad to meet and know them. I wish more existed. But not too many more. The gallant knight complex among us men has to retain some justification. :)

GXB: I too am enjoying your comments about Demona and her characterization/development. Can't wait to see how things finally turn out, and I bet you'll write it well. <grins> I too really liked that gun episode of the Simpsons. Though my favorite line is not the one you mentioned. It's "This gun comes with all the essential accessories. Two clips of ammo, holster, belt, laser sight, silencer, loudener, trigger lock, scope, and this bazooka attachment is for shooting down police helicopters." Just the memory of that accessory lineup is enough to get me chuckling like crazy. :)

Cat: <Promote peace> I agree that it's a good idea to do that. I wish you luck with it. But at the same time, you gotta make some preparations just in case things go wrong so you're ready. Sometimes war and violence happen, like it or not, no matter how much we've done to create and promote peace in the world. In those situations, the best thing to have is a ready level of capable defense.

Niamhgold: I'm looking forward to seeing you on your spring break too. It's getting closer every day. :)

Revel: I wish you good luck on the fic you mentioned (another series of stories I intend to read when it comes out!) and good luck dealing with that clueless teacher too. :(

Coyote: Thanks for mentioning all those great female race car drivers, I wasn't aware so many existed. Good luck with your exam and studying for it, maybe if you do well you can end up a parts purchaser for Ravyn on the professional racing circuit. <laughs> I agree with you on people and guns.

Emmabu: Congrats to your cousin on getting married, I hope many years of happiness are ahead for her and the lucky guy. Congrats on the solo also, and condolences on the bad spring break. <job hunt> Like I told Shadowrider, that's not going to begin for a while. Maybe not till August even. But thanks for the good wishes just the same. I doubt Abel will want to write me a job recommendation for somewhere else, he's not that great a boss, but I should be able to use him as a good reference at least. :) On the proofreading, just send it to me and I'll do my best to make time to look it over and write you back with my thoughts.

Juliaexia: It's safe in here! Please come in! <waves, then sighs> Or don't, if you're too worried. At least we know you're alive. I hope you're doing okay too. Thanks for posting your e-mail, maybe Kit and I will send you something soon. We've been praying that you're hanging in there. :)

Bronx: Alright! Glad someone got a letter from the elusive Baron. :) Thanks for posting his address, Kit and I will do our best to send him a care package soon. Hope the military's going well for him so far.

Mecord: You're welcome on the congratulations. June 16th…Dang, your wedding's coming up fast. Not as fast as Keith and Stephanie's, but faster than mine and Kit's by a longshot (we haven't even set a date yet). Hope it goes well. $ Thanks for not getting mad about the RP events I took your characters through, I was worried I was gonna do something wrong with them. Looking forward to what you have planned for them ahead, the bit you did tonight was quite intriguing. :) $

Lain: <shakes head after reading about disabled cousin> Damn. My condolences to her and to you, wish I could think of something more profound to say than that. I hope that someday she is able to live her own life without all those people mistreating and intruding on her like you mentioned. In the meantime, I'm glad she has you to be a good friend now and then. :) <Nelly Furtado> I too have been hearing her on the radio lately, she's pretty good. Haven't heard the song with those lyrics, though. :(

Aingeal: You and Archwolf aren't a couple anymore? Rats, I'm sorry to hear that! :( Oh well, guess it had to be. Good luck dealing with all the serious life issues you mentioned, hope he's at least there as a friend for you while you're handling them. <sighs> <online party> Hmm, sounds fun. Perhaps I'll attend. :) Thanks for the invite.

Imzadi again: Hey, I'm not married yet!! Okay, maybe Kit and I are married in all but name, vows, and ceremony, but it hasn't happened all the way yet! <grimaces> And for the record, I do have opinions. I have many opinions. No one is forbidding me from expressing them but me, and I choose to keep it that way. Congrats on learning the same trick I did for outsmarting DC. <chuckles over egomaniacal monster bit>

Ok, that's all for tonight, I guess. I'm going to sleep now, and dreams of the woman I can't hold tonight. Dreams I hope she's sharing somewhere, wherever she is. <sigh> Tomorrow, it's back to being a happy idiot, struggling for the legal tender, where the rollbacks and low prices take aim and lay their claims to the heart and soul of Wal-Mart spenders. Yes, when the morning light comes streaming in, I'll get up and do it again. <grimace> Ten bonus points to whoever can name the songs I'm paraphrasing. Later everybody, see you again soon.

**RESUME RP, APOLOGIES TO CAPTAIN PLANET FANS**

Inside Hope Island's Crystal Chamber, the Planeteers gasp as they watch Admiral Nipon snap Dr. Blight's neck. He gets up from doing so and looks toward them, hesitantly getting into a fighting stance. "I'll handle them, you rear-echelon coward!" Asil yells, having reached and grabbed her BFG. The Planeteers spin as one to face her and waste little time in gasping. "Wind!" Linka shouts first, throwing a tornado at Asil that she leaps away from easily, firing in the same motion. "Bolshonoi!!" Linka screams as she is hit in the stomach and chest and falls down. "What does that mean anyway?" Asil rolls her eyes. "You terrible bitch!" Wheeler shouts at her, raising his own ring. "Fire!!" Asil dodges the blast from him too, and takes him down in a spray of shots, getting Gi too before she can try for a shot of her own. "No!" Kwame cries. "You can't be doing this! Earth!" Asil leaps into the air to avoid his quake, then riddles him with shots as well. "Face it, Planet-pests," Kit's evil clone chuckles as she lands back on the floor beside the gasping and heavily bleeding teenagers, "this fight is not written so you'll triumph with your pathetic abilities!" She turns to face the only Planeteer still standing, Ma-Ti. "Well, aren't you going to take a shot at me?" "I…" the young Native American's mouth falls open, then he sighs and raises his ring. "Heart." Asil flinches as waves of golden energy wash over her. For a moment she is lowering her gun. Then a sharp crack goes off and Ma-Ti tumbles to the floor with a gasp. "I couldn't let him recapture us," Nipon says when Asil looks at him, lowering his blaster. "Thank you," Asil tells him, grimacing as she shakes off the effect of the Planeteer's ring. "I was about to shoot him too, you know," Guod puts in from Asil's wristband. "That computer over there has a nice laser hooked up to it…want me to finish them off? They're all still alive." "Let them bleed to death," Asil growls. "I'd rather get out of here." Not sparing a look at the Planeteers, she turns and storms out of the room. Nipon shrugs and follows. Behind them, Kwame gasps and raises his ring. "Let's our powers combine," he struggles to say with his last breaths. "Earth…" The others chime in the chorus. "Fire…" "Wind…" "Water…" "Heart…" "By your powers combined," a deep voice declares as the energy flows together and creates a green-haired and blue-skinned scantily clad humanoid figure, "I am Captain Planet!!" "Go Planet!" the Planeteers shout as one, then all faint into death. Captain Planet's mouth falls open as he sees what has happened to them, then cursing loudly he streaks off down a nearby hallway. "These deaths can not be condoned!" he yells. "Before I fought to protect the Earth, but now I shall avenge!!" "Oh, brother," Asil mutters as she hears him, readying herself for the battle she knows is on the way.

Inside the Mall of America, another ferocious battle is just beginning. "Damn!" Jesse Ventura is yelling at Claudia as she kicks and scratches at him. "For a little girl, you sure are tough!" "Blood!" the vampire child hisses. "I must have blood! Life! Power!!!" Ventura growls and does his best to keep her fangs away from him with his powerful hands, screaming as she gets past them and bites into his wrist. Nearby, Kharsus turns away from the smoking crater he has reduced Kenny to and sends a telepathic message. "Xothux, Schaefer. We may need your help back here. Come quickly." He turns towards the group of soldiers led by Lieutenant Madison that is rushing down an adjacent corridor towards them and starts flinging magic meteors, not caring if the message was received. Tom is meanwhile covering Leah as she dashes toward Mansfield. One of his grenades hits Ty-Ubemngoe right in the chest, exploding and knocking the huge gargoyle flat on his back, stunned. Tom barely has time to grin, though, before a spray of gunfire from Paul du Gaul cuts across his midsection and causes him to crumple to the ground moaning loudly in extreme pain. "Stupid Americans," du Gaul sneers. "Always going for the bigger targets first." He laughs and turns towards Leah, who has stopped halfway to Mansfield and is taking aim at him with her own rifle. A hail of shots cut into the Frenchman before he can fire, but he is only knocked down for a second, immediately leaping back up visibly unharmed as Leah gasps. "I'm a lot tougher than you think, cherie," du Gaul snorts, firing his own weapon. Leah screams for help as she dodges the spray of shots and runs right into the recovered Ty-Ubemngoe, who grabs her and knocks her unconscious with his powerful fists. "Trey bien, Ty," du Gaul smirks, blowing his comrade a mock kiss. The diseased gargoyle nods, looking around them. Kharsus is still laughing as he flings magic at the soldiers, Ventura is still screaming as he and Claudia wrestle, Tom is moaning and rolling over on the ground in serious pain but still alive, and Mansfield is just getting up, looking rather out-of-sorts from being thrown into the wall. Keith and Stephanie seem oblivious to all this happening around them, dancing with one another in a ballet meant to create death. One's face shows a mixture of lingering disbelief and yet calm acceptance of the circumstances, the other hateful rage and desire to spill blood. "Need some help over there?" du Gaul calls out to Stephanie, but gets only an inarticulate growl in reply. Then two gunshots simultaneously go off and bullets whiz past the sides of his head. "Um, Paul, Hellcop!" Ty-Ubemngoe shouts. du Gaul curses loudly in French and spins around to face Anthony, who is already taking aim at his eyes. Several loud gunshots distract him, though, heralding the arrival of Doug, Kit, and the other Ravens who have rushed in to aid their friends. Both du Gaul and Ty-Ubemngoe are knocked to the ground by the barrage, Kharsus barely throwing up a magical shield around himself in time. Lathrop's magic missiles bounce off it as the evil wizard growls. "Get out of here!" Anthony turns and shouts at the Ravens. "You can't hurt them!" Doug, Kit, Shauna, Jammer, Tricia, Elena, Boris, and Lathrop all stare at him, looking universally confused. Ty-Ubemngoe and du Gaul are meanwhile both getting up, looking very angry but not wounded in the least. "What the hell are you talking about, man?" Shauna snarls in her best Gary Coleman voice. Anthony merely sighs and points at the damned gargoyle and Frenchman, causing the Ravens to gasp once they see their shots had no lasting effect.. Schaefer and Xothux appear out of a portal just then, with gun and magically-glowing hands up. Ty-Ubemngoe snarls and readies himself for a charge with eyes flaring white, du Gaul chuckling and taking aim with his rifle. The four of them and Kharsus all face the Ravens, ready to unleash raw power, while Stephanie and Keith go on clashing weapons with each other, Claudia and Ventura continue tumbling around on the floor, and Tom barely manages to pull out, uncork, and gulp down a small healing potion as the screen goes blank.

**THE BATTLE WILL START IN EARNEST NEXT TIME, END RP**
Doug
Friday, March 16, 2001 03:05:38 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.156.dlls.grid.net

**RP, WITH THE TEN AND TED TURNER**

The screen comes on displaying the Ten's lair again, four of the remaining members still staring at One with their mouths open. Gothmenes recovers first and grimaces. "You're marrying a human?" he asks One with a shocked look. "That's…that's unnatural!" gasps Six. "Preposterous!" Five agrees. "There are so many fine demon males out there, and you…" He stops speaking and growls. "I…I don't believe it!" Ten shouts. "I won't believe it! I can't believe it! I shan't believe it!!" "Believe it!" One shouts at them all. "I am marrying Anton Sevarius Jr. and that is that!" "No!" Ten moans. "This isn't possible!! This isn't…" One roars an oath and blasts him out of existence with a ball of lightning. The explosion and Ten's death-scream shocks Five and Six out of their disbelief and they gasp and fall to the floor kowtowing. "Please forgive us, oh great mistress!" they say almost as one. "We know you can do anything you want!" "Silence, you pathetic wretches!" One snaps, flinging two more lightning balls at the demons and instantly vaporizing them out of existence as well. Gothmenes does not flinch as she turns to him, remaining standing and waiting. "You're not going to say anything?" One asks him with a raised eyebrow. "You can accept that I am marrying a human?" "I too have enjoyed pleasure with humans," Gothmenes nods. "I even had a daughter by one. I am not dismayed by you wanting to marry one, it's not really my concern anyway. All I'm wondering is why." "Why?" One laughs. "Like I need a reason!" "Are you in love?" Gothmenes asks. "Is he?" "He is surely not in love with me, I forced him into this!" One chuckles. "As for me, well, I honestly haven't given it much thought. I just know I want to marry him!" "Alright," Gothmenes shrugs. "It's your decision. But what about us? The Ten, I mean. There's only you and me now, and…" "Oh, don't worry, you silly balor," One cuts him off with a smirk. "I'm not going to kill you. Are you going to try to kill me?" "Kill you?" Gothmenes laughs. "That would be impossible!" "Oh, come on," One shakes her head. "I know you've wanted to. I am the most powerful demon in Hell, did you really think you could hide your jealousies and deepest desires from me?" Gothmenes does not reply, a shocked look on his face. "The Ten are finished," One goes on. "Over, kaput. Such is my decree. You I will let live and go free as the second most powerful demon in Hell on one condition." Gothmenes nods, motioning her to name it. The display changes to a few minutes later outside the lair, where the hateful-featured half-demon female anti-paladin Ithaine is waiting for her father to exit. The door opens and a glum-looking Gothmenes walks out with his eyes to the ground. "Do we go to prepare now?" Ithaine asks him. "I am eager to kill them." "We're not going to kill them," Gothmenes replies solemnly. "One already did." "Then are we going to kill One?" Ithaine asks. "Please…" "No!" Gothmenes sighs. "Even with all the energy of all the worst souls in Hell, you could not kill her." "Then what are we going to do next, Father?" Ithaine growls, a very disappointed expression on her face. Gothmenes looks into her violet eyes and sighs loudly. "How would you like to be a bridesmaid?"

The display changes to the Nickelodeon Building in Orlando, where Geraldine Laybourne is having a live chat with Ted Turner. "Very interesting, Geraldine," Turner is saying with a grimace. "This old friend of yours claims to be able to give us a vast formidable army, wants an alliance…how did you know her again?" "Donna and I were roommates in college," Laybourne answers. "She went on to become a professor at UT, but was dismissed from there for extremely radical teaching practices about three years ago. I hadn't heard from her since, until now." "And did her note say where this army would come from?" Turner asks. "Its nature? Anything?" "No, not really," Laybourne frowns. "Just that she had it, and felt we were fit to use it if we needed to." "I see…" Turner taps his fingers together. "Did you have your hackers trace the transmission she sent?" "It came from somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico," Laybourne answers. "She cut off before we could narrow it down." "Hmm," Turner says again. "Why does this worry you so much? If this Gardner's your friend…" "She may be my friend, but she's psychotic," Laybourne replies. "Always has been, probably still is. Donna believes the solution to all the world's problems is for humanity to apply the cardinal principle of evolution, survival of the fittest, to itself. Let only the fittest survive, have everyone else executed." "And did she say who should say who is fit and who is not?" Turner asks. Laybourne frowns. "No, she always gave me a different answer on that, as if she couldn't decide. Maybe now she has decided." "You might want to ask her," Turner says. "Find out more about this army too. We want to know as much as we can before we make a decision. I'll speak to Lord Gothmenes about the matter when I commune with him next." "Thank you," Laybourne nods. "I must get back to training my Scouts now. We'll speak again later." She clicks her end of the screen off and sighs. "Did I do the right thing?" the feminist media mogul wonders aloud. "Asking him, a man I'm only allied with because his resources are useful, for advice on this?" She idly scratches the back of her neck as her secretary looks in the office door. "Mr. Grushow is here to see you." Laybourne replies with a distasteful growl, then waves to her secretary to admit the Fox executive as the screen goes blank.

**MORE GLIMPSES OF THE VILLAINS NEXT TIME, END RP**

Hey everyone, I'm back with a gigantic post once again. :) Not much news to report from the life front since Tuesday night- Kit is in Houston right now enjoying time with her family, my sister Sarah is going crazy up in Nashville at Vanderbilt with low grades and lower bank account balances <sighs>- she would probably appreciate some prayers, Boris is another year older today and feeling good, and at work things remain quiet and calm, two new hires (the one who worked out Monday and another who started today) evenining out the schedule. :) There isn't much else going on really. I'm just sitting at home, missing Kit and typing up this post.

On the Recent Argument: I get the impression from reading over the room that it's over now. Good. :) So I'm not going to say any more about it. Except this- SJ, I get the way you feel about me taking sides or not taking sides or whatever. I understand what you're talking about. I must say this, though- I don't believe I was agreeing with both sides of the recent argument in a contradictory manner. I was instead taking the middle ground in things. I did my best to see both sides of the issue and raise my fist, to use your phrase, for what I saw as a compromise between them. Maybe to you, that's pandering, but to me it's taking a stand for the merits of both sides and trying to find a solution to the argument. It's also the best way to be civil when emotions are running high around me, and thus not anger a certain troll whom I feel it is very important I not get mad at me for any reason. :) I can't please everyone, yeah, but this way I figure I please enough people in small amounts, and I don't have to stay committed to a side once I take it and possibly alienate friends or undeserving people. Yeah, I know, that's kinda cowardly. But it also stems from the fact that about some things, including who's right and who's wrong in old arguments like the one that prompted this paragraph, I don't care anymore. I wish such things would stay dead and buried, if the people having the arguments are unwilling to resolve them. I will agree with the merits of each side of the issue and disagree with the obvious demerits. Doing that is possible, and I am doing it. It's not that I don't want to take a side, it's just that the middle is more attractive to me. For this belief, I raise my fist. <does so> And, btw, I do disagree with people when I feel it necessary, as I do in this paragraph addressed to you. I just didn't feel it necessary to disagree with anybody in the last argument except on certain points which I have already addressed. There, do you understand now? <sighs loudly> Not that it really matters if you do or not, I'm getting off this topic. And oh, btw, I never said that I enjoyed Christine and Madame Destine's work because of its artistic merit or even that it had any. Just that I enjoyed it and thought it was well-written. To me, something can be done well without being art, I guess it's different for you and Pistoff. <moves on>

Imzadi: Best of luck with your job, especially with earning more money at it. I would never work for such low pay as you're getting myself. :( I'd like to check out your fic, hope it's posted soon. Thanks for identifying Togo's. Do they have less obnoxious commercials than Subway too? I agree with you about criticism and Survivor, a show I am not interested enough in to even stop for a minute on it while channel-flipping, let alone watch. I also agree with you on sex for pleasure, for me that is the point too. Kit's pleasure as well as mine. <grins> Oh, and btw, I have actually read War and Peace.

Warpmind: Once again, good luck with the immigration trouble and glad you're still enjoying IM so much. I too use violent video games as a stress vent, for some reason they work great as that. <grins> Interesting comments on violence and what can cause or stop it, I congratulate you on being smart enough to know your own power and strength.

Todd: <X-Men points> Yeah, I know they only have so many short episodes, but that doesn't mean they can't write the development in a more logical procession and still create a classic enjoyable series. Greg Weisman did it. :) Zeta Project is also doing a good job with it so far IMO, the last new episode was great in terms of character development and plot as well as comedy. <still chuckling at Bennett's attitude towards West> You weren't the only one who really enjoyed James Seabairn and his lines to Arthur. Pity he couldn't have stuck around.

Jannie: You must be a big fan of a certain Alfred Hitchcock movie. <grins> Glad your house sale plans and the cleaning are going well so far, hope you can get good money for the place and the one in Missouri works out well as a new residence. :) On the trouble at work, thanks for your condolences. It's not so much turnover that's the problem, it's that so many of the guys we hire don't do a very good job. <grimace> We're meeting our payroll budget just fine far as I know, the company even managed to pay me back the 400 bucks it's owed me for quite a while today (remember that hiring ad I paid for back in December?). I too sigh and worry whenever I see evidence the economy's not as great as it seems, hope it improves soon.

Kathy: <Attending in Spirit> Tell you what, if Sarah pays me back the money I'm loaning her this semester by June 1st like I've told her to, I'll contribute some of it to the Gathering. At least $500 of the $3000. Will that be alright? (And next year, Kit and I are really going to try our hardest to attend!)

Daniel Johnson: Very good points about the master plan, fanfic, and comments. I do my best to notice things to complain about whenever I can, and state my case on them. I'm doing it again this week. :( <seeing everyone panic over nothing> That can be interesting to watch for me too. Unless I'm one of the ones who doesn't know it's nothing until it's over. Then I always get frustrated bigtime. L

Gleeb: I somehow mixed you up with Triglycerine. <grimaces> I don't know how, but it happened. I am very sorry, and hope you will accept my sincere apology and pledge to back off your case. (Note to Triglycerine- now that I've realized my mistake, this is not for you!) Now that I've read back over your posts again, I've decided that I agree with you about Greg. He does get dumb ideas sometimes, the comedy Gargs originally was comes to mind easily. We should hear the words of people like you about him and other topics more often, and remember those words. :) <Antarctica> Thanks for posting those interesting facts, I look forward to seeing how TGS will explain the Antarctic clan dealing with all those problems. (I had some ideas for how my fanfic's Antarctic clan handled them, but want to wait and see how much great minds think alike here before mentioning them. :)

DPH: No shift differential here on my job, though my paycheck is as interesting as yours. They have regular pay, overtime, and then list tax deductions without mentioning the rates for them so you can figure out if they're doing it right or not. <grimaces> That I don't like, but complaining never gets me anywhere. Good luck dealing with the process engineer and making what you've earned. Condolences on your father being a dictatorial idiot, though I support Father's Day myself. <coping skills> Good point about them being like painkillers. I too hope we can start treating the cause of the problem soon, though if it's like a virus… <sighs> Jannie says teaching kids to cope is a good beginning, and I can agree with her on that. <mentors> You're right, the emphasis should be on providing good parents. However, I think many TV executives and other media power-figures are acknowledging that parents these days tend to use the TV to teach and baby-sit kids a lot, thus they want to put people on TV whom they feel would be good role models and teachers for the kids. I'm not supporting this practice, probably few people are in actual words, but it's still being done. :( Best of luck accomplishing everything on your to-do list.

Lain: Congrats on getting that pottery away from your father. I hate to see good art destroyed for any reason. <grumbles for a moment about the oil paintings from Taiwan he had to throw out last month because they'd grown mold on them while boxed up> Hope you and he can get the problem solved with his girlfriend. I agree that not having her over while you're home is a confession of guilt and insensitivity that can't be understood. I don't like it either. :( Maybe you should mention your feelings on the matter to him, see what happens…oh wait, you did that. I recall enjoying reading his reaction now. :) Like many I'm glad you're standing up to him, I wish you the best of luck getting along with both your dad and his new flame, however things turn out. <library frustration> Thankfully, I've never had a similar episode happen to me. I do feel your pain, though. I've read many an enjoyable used book where I had to guess at what happened due to pages missing or being damaged. :( <mother memories> Oh, stop! You're making me cry here! :) Seriously, I feel for you and send my condolences once again, I hope you can somehow hold on to your memories of your mother forevermore, you make her sound so wonderful. <sighs heavily, brushes away tears> I best move on to the next topic now.

Ordell: Nice review of the first TGS season. I agree with many points made, especially on Dark Ages, with the exception that I like that series. :)

Jaden: <Stinger missiles> I'd imagine they kick. :) Congrats on getting to fire one. For some reason I always find videogames cooler when you get to shoot down a helicopter, Stinger missiles are a nifty way to do that. :) Good luck with the heavy snow where you are.

SJ: Joss Whedon impresses me too, for deciding to keep characters dead and for creating such an interesting, enjoyable, and realistic yet fantastical storyline as the Buffy/Angel-verse is. Peopling it with characters as entertaining as Spike, Faith, the Master, Willow, etc. also earns him a lot of brownie points from me. May he keep up the good work for as long as possible! :) I also agree with you about Kirsten Dunst, funny how in just about every movie of hers I've sat myself down I've found the plot unimaginably bad but her a feast for the eyes that made the ticket worth it. <scratches head and shrugs>

Christine: Good reasons for writing. More power to you. And hey, if you become a literary giant on the merit of writing for those reasons, that would be great too. <grins and ignores glares> Put me down as someone else who doesn't own an iron, and someone who doesn't bother separating whites from colors when washing (I've never had a color run either, not once! :).

Wilek: I'm 100% with you on insulting a movie's entire fanbase, that is never a good idea. Or the right one. :( I have to say I agree with Roger Ebert about the Hellraiser films though, I too hated them. But not the fanbase. Never the fanbase! They have a right to their opinions, wrong as they may be. :) <Pikathulu> Ah yes, the most dangerous of all Pokemon. Tremble in fear… <grins> Watch the Jay Sherman episode of Simpsons to get the most obvious McBain reference Kit was talking about (I have got to try sleeping like Rainier Wolfcastle does someday!). I agree with SJ about you RPing, you should and must do it again soon. It has been WAAAAYY too long. <Eminem action figure> This is one of those items you buy just to set on fire and watch burn.

Beth H: <nods> You're right, beating bullies to a pulp is way more satisfying than shooting them. If you can find friends to help hold them down. I've unfortunately never been able to, so except in fights bullies have started cussing them out is as far as I've gotten towards that. <sigh> The fights I've won have all been very satisfying to me though. <thinks back on some of the memories and grins> Congrats on getting to go out with that cute guy you've been talking about, hope things go the best they possibly can for you both in the relationship ahead.

Lynati: Good way to avoid trenchcoat problems. <A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man> Ack, you're having to read that despicable confusing book for school too?! I send you condolences bigtime. Good luck on the paper though, hope you don't get points off for critiquing the book the way you really felt about it and disagreeing with the teacher like I did. <snarls> I too agree with you on kids and bad stuff, we need to teach our children more to avoid the actions that create problems and less the blame for such actions. :(

SOROW: Again, I'm glad that you didn't lose your job but sorry the other guy did. I can agree with whoever said he'd probably be happier elsewhere though, hope that's the case. <sighs> I'm going to miss meeting you during your time here in Austin, I really wish we could have set up a get-together somehow. I could have given you a UT graduate's perspective on the campus and university too. Oh well. :( Just as long as there's a next time.

Gside: Ah, the cheat sheet was legal. Okay, never mind what I said about it then. Hope you did well on the test. <guilt> You're probably right. I'll try to watch for and avoid using it in that way too. And in this way. :)

Fairy Meat: I've heard about this game, and I laughed out loud when I read about it in KODT (not as hard as I've ever laughed at the strip, but I laughed!), however you can put me down as someone who will never try the game as long as they live. It's just too disturbing. :(

Human Cloning: Cloning torsos for organs disturbs me in the extreme too. But I agree that human cloning is going to happen eventually, like it or not. I just hope when it does we'll have wise enough people in charge to set down the right laws and precedents for judging all the issues and controversies that will result. (What rights do clones have? Are they people? How can we prevent people blaming their crimes on their clones and thus getting away with them? Etc.)

Crzy, Mara: Welcome back!!! I too hope you'll stick around a while. :)

END PART 1 OF COMMENTS.
Doug - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 03:04:27 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.156.dlls.grid.net

Woo hoo! My programming project is finished!

In other news, I have outsmarted DC when making long posts: I write them offline. Now DC can show up all he wants and will never force me to rewrite a post. Of course this means that I actually save all my posts, which so far doesn't take up considerable space on my hard drive, but maybe someday it will.

Seems I confused some people with my website announcement. I'm not taking down my personal site, but rather the link on my name will no longer go there, it will go to my icons pictures. Sorry about that.

Mecord: <<bullying>>: The irony is that when we're parents, our kids will have to deal with a whole new type of bullying, and our advice won't be sound either. And there's a difference between telling the kid they're better than the bullies and believing it. My parents tried to teach me that through elementary school, but I didn't really pick it up till junior high. Now I believe myself to be a superior lifeform, and my high school class is kicking themselves for creating an ego-maniacal monster. Oh well.

Gunjack: Have fun in Canada. <<Napster quality>>: You've been lucky. When I've used napster, I often get low-quality music with skips and stuff, even at high bitrates. <<holding/beating>>: I thought you were saying that in response to my comments about LC and Coyote. In any case, responding violently to a statement is usually indicative of how right your offender is, and that you don't like that fact. And its STEEL to block EMP, not copper. That's why they built NORAD covered with steel plates. Please don't say 1337n3$$ or I may have to beat you. No real hackers use hackspeak or whatever the language is called. Its just lame. ::steps away from Warps, despite the fact that rail guns do not exist:: <<s and t near d>>: It may not be a typo, but it doesn't have to be more than a freudian slip. And who said I wanted to cut down on the death rate? I just don't want people in a position to shoot me. If they want to try to ram me with their car to kill me, well all I have to say is "good luck" cuz I'll be flying everywhere in a shiny exo-suit, jet, or chopper. I've never SEEN an optical mouse used to repel annoying people, but I guess it would be possible. That laser is quite painful... <<Flamewars aren't supposed to be held here>>: Then why am I here? For that matter, what's the point of a CR?!

Tim: Yes, I do notice a pattern: people are stupid and cannot be trusted with anything more deadly than a ball of yarn (except for Heston, I'd keep the yarn away from him). Therefore, I don't trust them with guns. I already explained why even my friends will not be getting arsenals to play with in my previous post (or the one before that, I forget which). The only reason that whole "gun free home" thing would fail is because OTHER people have guns! I don't think gang-bangers are gonna burst into you home with knives, when you probably have a very accessible kitchen set in your house.

Greg: Congratulations. By using Homer Simpson as a reference, you have reduced your credibility on the subject to zero. How come he only names the deadly tools? Doesn't make a strong point, and it sure doesn't help yours. Unless your point is that guns are not tools any more than alligators or ICBM's are. In which case you probably still shouldn't have used Homer's quote, just because it looks silly. By the way, its funny that alligators come up, seeing as my last programming project focused on interpolating alligator measurement data (don't ask, "I" didn't make up the assignment). "Why can't they make perfume that smells like dough frying?" - Also Homer Simpson.

SJ: Statistics. Yuck. Um, and I don't know that there IS a 10th circle of hell, but your marks on Doug's behavior are right on the mark. Full metal jacket was one of the greatest movies ever. And you are SOOOO right about racing being a redneck sport. When Dale whoever died, everyone on this coast was like "who?" I don't understand the addiction, I was just using it to prove my point about women drivers. But my god man, wrestling is ten times white-trashier. And that high school statistic is nothing. I only know ONE girl from my graduating class who didn't total at least one car.

Farscape: I'll watch when there's a porn version. Maybe. If I'm drunk/stoned (and I've never been either).

Lain: Britney is not a music god in my eyes. I don't care if you insult her. I'm just keeping her alive when I take over and cutting out her voice box. That way, she'll be a functioning member of my harem but won't be able to SING (thank god). Lyrics: Blah blah blah. I don't listen to female vocalists, they're even whinier than crappy punk rock (as if that were possible!). If someone was being disrespectful at the funeral of someone I loved, I'd turn around and execute them (remember, "I" will be allowed to have guns when I take over the world) without a thought. Then the funeral could continue in peace.

Bloodhound Gang: For those of you basing your criticism on "Bad Touch" there are many other clever songs written by Bloodhound Gang. The vagina song comes to mind "You know what I really want in a girl? ME!" The songs aren't supposed to be brilliant or deep, they're supposed to be funny and mocking.

Pistoff: Give Doug a break. He's married. That means he's not allowed to have opinions. Don't you watch "The Man Show"? 8-) Cute poke at Madame Destine. But as one bitter person to another, dude you gotta calm down.

Embabu: Dude, us dorks do have a handicap...we generally have high-paying dork jobs and will produce dork children who will also have high-paying dork jobs long before losing their virginity (which I suspect may be true for some of the people in this CR). If dating were like golf, I'd get WAY too bored with it. Golf needs to be like hockey: a few slick moves, dodge the other bruisers and SCORE! 8-) Um, I'm quite certain the server exists, because it belongs to my roommate and its hosting my site. The links should work. Try using IE, its just a standard 400k JPG file. Hmmm. As for a brooklyn icon, read my next post. I CAN"T FIND A GOOD BROOKLYN PICTURE! Glad you like my quotes. Actually I'm not that big of a garfield fan, but I do think that credit should go where credit is due. That's why the "credits" file that will go with my icon set is bigger than the rest of the icon files combined. No, your not a fatass, I'm just REALLY freakin scrawny. I, too, have never broken a bone, chipped a tooth, etc. I'd thank milk for that, but that would be admitting that it DID something for me, and I'd rather be angry at them for not turning me into a football playin' stud. I'd like to join your "useless knowledge territory". My grandpa often refers to me as "the font of worthless info". And I know more obscure and stupid facts than most people I know (I say "most" because I don't need someone in the CR challenging me). I wasn't aware that the "dirty tail trick" was always associated with Lex. Do you have any examples? When I brought it up, I was just thinking about "tail tricks" in general, not with any particular character. And who says Brooklyn's beak would be that useful? In my estimation, it would seriously hamper any positive affects from his tounge. And if you like The Barracuda's artwork, then you'll be thrilled to know that its among the first stuff to become icons in my set!

Kaioto: I love McDonalds! And if we can't verbally brawl in here, can we physically brawl? ::Puts on padded gloves/shoes:: Alright, who wants some!? <<I banned chocolate>>:You banned chocolate!? That's it, you're outta here! Oh...nuts.

Aingeal: I'll be there. I wanna turn 21 (whiny voice)...

Gside: Yes, I can feel the power. Yes it is a comment room, and PSL is fun, but for some reason I don't feel right just delving into details unless the conversation suddenly starts up. Lady Mystic, sure. <<Troublemaker>>: LOL. <<1337n3$$>>: After I wrote my first real program this semester I started telling my roommate (who is world famous for writing MP3 Alarm Clock for Mac, basically one of the best programmers his age in the world) that I was a "1337 h4><0R" and "I owned him" and stuff. He kicked me until I stopped acting like an idiot. <<Chicken, Bacon>>: I'm sure I'm the only one piggish enough in here to actually taste of it. I'd prefer to taste like chocolate, and quite frankly I'd prefer it if girls did too (or chocolate chip cookies). <<A third one>>: Am I the second, or is that just my ego assuming your talking about me?

I do not care if he is good, I want to know if he is LUCKY!
-Napoleon

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, March 16, 2001 02:25:38 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-153-148.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

If I'm going to have to read rancor about that fight so long ago, could someone please tell me where it is in the archives? I know I was here for it, but I don't remember much more than that. info, anyone? If you're worried about airing dirty laundry in public, then could you just mail me the info? This whole debacle would be MUCH more entertaining if I could remember what happened...

And SJ, the implied threat seemed a valid one. Flamewars aren't supposed to be held here, regardless of how deserving the flamers and flamees are. At least, that's what I remember reading in the official rules... *shrugs*
Gunjack "Mafia Princess" Valentine
Friday, March 16, 2001 01:23:15 AM
IP: 216-146-183-68.bwn.net

Robby> <<a couple of the better fanfics>>: You check out Tales of Shampoo? I haven't fully figured out how good it is. The author could use a better editor, and it doesn't look like it's been updated since '98, but I'm a fan of Mousse myself.
<<a rather nice job too, except for one or two rather odd stories in the Ukyo spinoff>>: But the odd ones were fun. It has Gilbert and Sullivan and a vaguely lesbian psychopath. And I'm still not quite sure if Ranchan and the cucumber were in the hind brain or reality.

I have come to the conclusion that I am the love child of Ryoga and Mousse. My father's got the eyesight, my mother has the sense of direction, and I do believe I have both.

Imzadi> <<And since your an engineer, you're the one providing it>>: Can't you feel the power?
<<That was a terrible pun>>: It's more a dirty mind than a full on pun.
<<um...no comment. Again>>: But it's a comment room. And PSL is fun.

Warpmind> <<I kinda doubt Barnacle Bill's got a Norwegian division>>: As I said, I digressed, but it shouldn't be extremely hard to find a similar place.
<<dude, you need help>>: Was that ever in doubt?

Fire Storm> <<DUDES! Napster is DOWN!>>: Dude! Wait, I have napigator. I should still be good.
<<Why are the best MP3 remixs from old Nintendo/Game Boy games?>>: Because they're so simple (due to space constraints), that the most can be done to them.
<<Everyone is happy>>: But what about Konatsu and Tsubasa? Even cross dressers need love.
<<Let us go forth and write>>: Sounds like fun. How soon until the finished product is ready?
<<But he apparently likes big breasts>>: Uh, yeah. The sky is blue.
<<I know. :)>>: Didn't you bring up Xylophone in an adult chat a while back?
<<Hey, do you have the follwing MP3's?>>: Not a one. Though I might be willing to try them out once I get back.
<<Are you aware of any material that truly protects against a EMP?>>: A big hinking Faraday cage?
<<NOOOOOO! Not more fanfic>>: Come, join the dark side.

Lain> <<I should have bitten the bullet and just ASKED someone>>: It's times like there when not caring much about your public perception helps.
<<the guy across the hall who is singing the guitar>>: That sounds like it might hurt.
<<what (delta)h/l means>>: Change in height over length?

Imzadi> <<figure that whacked FS>>: AKA Lady Mystic.

Mecord> <<I was more commonly mistaken as a government official or FBI agent>>: All I need is a star for my hat, and I'd be with the KGB.

Gunjack> An actual good sized post. Will wonders never cease?
<<sleeves long enough to hide my hands... But not the knives>>: You might want to consult with Mousse on that.
<<Jaggedy Ann doesn't hide>>: But the element of surprise is so nice.
<<Gside, you said you wanted to see me after the meds kicked in>>: And here it seems you're actually a blade boy insetad of of a gunjack.
<<no more dreams about melting black mages>>: Good. Now they can start beating up the elderly.
<<I'm gonna do these from the top DOWN>>: Troublemaker.
<<What's the difference?>>: A few bits here and there. 128 bits is just about the right balance between quality and bandwidth limitations.
<<steel or copper (can't remember which)>>: I think just about any conductive material works.
<<Some of us weren't lucky enough to catch those games the first time around>>: A true shame.
<<now *I'M* the one who oozes l337n3$$!>>: But does he fear your leet skills?
<<And I'm not allowed to take any more happyFUN pills for at least another few hours>>: Another shame.
<<I'd hate to have to go through all the trouble of PROVING it again>>: But proving it is the best part.
<<I'm considering going off to bavaria to be a sheep merchant>>: Could be lucritive, and Jaggedy Ann could have some fun.
<<See above comment>>: You'd be surprised how flexible sheep are.
<<And how could it when Joyce is still a loose cannon?>>: And apparently she's going naughty.
<<I'm not going NEAR that>>: My big, evil goin scares you? But I thought you liked it.
<<Remember that Noriko Morning strip from Beta?>>: "Will you watch my pussy cat while I scrub a night's sleep off my body"?
<<Pudding?>>: Pudding is never out of style.
<<You mean people with a lesser degree of drunk?>>: You expect me to make sense?
<<I had to protect Jun from their evil influence>>: It would be a... shame... to have a tentacle attached to you go hentai. No?
<<When someone types "breast" rather than "bread", there's no way it's an innocent typo>>: They could be thinking of how good a marinated grilled chicken sandwich might be. Wit some cheese, and maybe a slice of salami.
<<I'm off to do something pointless and quite possibly violent>>: The best kind.

Greg Bishansky> <<a tool. Like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, or an alligator>>: You wouldn't believe how often an alligator comes in handy around the house.

Sev. Jr.> <<There are varying opinions as to how I taste>>: I'm voting for chicken. Though I've heard good arguments for bacon.

Lain> <<I know *I* really enjoy anyone who writes lyrics "coochie-coo" how bout you>>: Still doesn't beat goo goo ga joob.

Emambu> <<I thought maybe I could sneak in one>>: If you'll let me get back to my computer.
<<when it's either that or Jersey water>>: You go for the crunchy stuff.
<<I think I'm slowly turning into Wilek>>: A third one? Wilek, are you sure you aren't taking over the world by making everyone you?

Toku Kai> <<I banned chocolate last month>>: As long as you don't touch the kielbasa.

Aingeal> <<i'm trying to set up an online "party" on the 27th of this month>>: I should be able to make it, dependant on my memory. But do you trust my memory?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, March 16, 2001 01:22:39 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Kaioto: Hey, aren't implied threats fun? ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 01:08:29 AM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Oh.. sorry for the double post... if anyone is interested, i'm trying to set up an online "party" on the 27th of this month... prolly about ::thinks:: say 11 pm EST (US).

I'm turning 21 and just want to be able to have fun with people. I'll run one in AIM, with SN FrozenInFlame, one (or more) in MSN (ladynewill2u@hotmail.com), and if anyone is interested, i can do one in Yahoo as well. :D

I hope some people will want to come hang out.. I just want to meet people, and watch general silliness.

byebye

Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades
Friday, March 16, 2001 12:52:46 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Emambu>> just a note... Archwolf and i aren't a couple anymore... good friends, yes, but a couple, no. Sorry, i've got too many things to work out before i can get into a seriuos relationship.. i thought I'd had them dealtwith, but it seems i hadn't. I really hadn't planned to announce this in here, but figure it's easier to announce once rather than have Wolf nailed by it over and over... i'm really trying NOT to stick knives in and drip lemon juice into the wound.

anyway.. life is stupid... school bites, and work is worse... I'm finally reading TGS episodes.. i'm working through season 4 at the moment.. is ineresting.. i'm looking forwardto Timedancer too.

anyway... that's me.

::sighs and crawls under a rock::
Aingeal
Hades
Friday, March 16, 2001 12:46:37 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

SJ>> I ’pose it all a matta’ o’ taste, but then ‘gain, once you made your way inta da stew pot with da’ rest o’ da’ stew, ain’t nobody gon’na tell ya’ from da’ ‘gator an’ da’ ‘oblins, lad.

I actually considered statistics for a long time. Wanted to become an actuary or something for a while back in college. Then I fell in love with computers and sold myself out full corporate. I think it long-run helped my mental health somewhat. I took one semester of statistics as mandatory for my business core and then ran away as fast as I could from that department. I hope you did well. It’ll be over soon. You have my hopes that it’ll be the last time you need to touch the nasty stuff.

Which movie is that quote from, btw? I have recognition of it, but not enough recall to take an educated enough guess.

Re: agreeing with everyone>>

When one person says that something is completely and purely green and another says it is completely and purely red, you’ll have a tough time convincing me you can hold the opinion that something is 200% anything. Plenty of issues, however, aren’t so cut and dry no matter how badly we may want to slice them.

A number of people oppose free ownership of automatic weapons and also dislike the gun-control lobby. While the two extremes try to peg these folks as “moderates,” or the “mushy middle,” or even “undecided” their assumption that everything has to break along their dichotomy is a rash one. Others can hold their own position very firmly and not perceive it at all as a “gray area.” That’s just a matter of perspective, and everyone has a perspective. The two opposing sides just think theirs’ are the only ones that matter. For their purposes, this may be true, but that doesn’t effect the reality of the situation at all.

On the note of guns though …

Guns don’t kill people. Cholesterol kills people. I’m forming a committee for immediate action to protect the American people from McDonalds’ irresponsible products. We have to do it … if not for us then … then … think of the Children!

Josh>> Hate … the hockey puck … soooo … much …. -_- grrrrr

Christine>> Re:Smores – Oh, didn’t you hear? I banned chocolate last month.

Pissy>> Well, I’m sorry you feel that way. I hope you didn’t suffer any permanent damage. I know I lost some irreplaceable friends.

Maybe what you suffered justifies what you seek, but that doesn’t change the rules about verbally brawling through the CR, Truth or no Truth. You want to fight, take it outside. Someone picks a fight with you, have the bouncer kick them out. If you don’t like those options, you’re pretty much stuck, sorry. I hope you don’t feel compelled to just go “above the rules” and get yourself booted or something else unpleasant. The room’s better off with you around, IMO.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled cover-up opperation.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 16, 2001 12:33:08 AM
IP: 1cust36.tnt1.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

*Emambu enters and flops down in his chair with a grin on his face*

*content sigh* You know, Winterwolf's got the right idea. Life is good. :) I'm flying out tomorrow for Louisiana for my cousin's wedding. It should be fun. I haven't seen the southern contingent of my family in almost two years.

Other good news: I got a solo! That's right... no one here cares, but I'm still going to celebrate dammit. :) tryouts for four songs were held yesterday. I went for three of them (though I wasn't expecting to get two because they involved some pretty high notes), and got the one I was really gunning for. *does victory dance* Let there be wine, music, flame broiled DC, oreos, marshmallows, and turkey basters! This will be the greatest party of our lives! :) BTW, God bless you Tom Lehrer.

Gside: Nah, I think it would have been worse if Kiaoto was female. BTW, thanks for the Michael Nyman MP3. I've been a big fan of him since I saw Gattaca. I know Firestorm already posted a fair sized request list, but I thought maybe I could sneak in one: either "Fame" or "Ashes to Ashes" by David Bowie. The good song of his I have currently is "Changes." Also, you do know I wasn't criticizing you on milk consumption. I mean, when it's either that or Jersey water... not much of a choice really.

Beth H: Congrats on finally getting a hold of the one you finally wanted to ask out. Remember, if dating were easy and risk free then the reward would not be as sweet. However, I do think dating should be more like golf. It needs a handicap so dorks like myself have a fair shot against the others. ;)

Firestorm: Yeah, I figured someone had to notice the recent lack of seven full screens worth of grass green text. :) Napster is down? NOOOOO! Where shall I go? What shall I do without Abba? ...I'm a frightened little kitten right now.

Imzadi: See, now you know why new people never notice my absence. It's because I take so friggin long to post sometimes. :) I think I'm slowly turning into Wilek. Heck, the size of my posts are slowly reaching up to his size. All that's needed now in a desire for power and the transformation shall be complete. *reads further* I can't access your Gargoyles icon page (make one of Brooklyn if you haven't already ;)). Netscape keeps telling me that the server doesn't exist. Is there a valid reason for this or is Netscape screwing me over again? BTW, I like your quotes--very clever. And you're a Garfield fan? Ahhh, big, fat, hairy deal. *reads further* 5'8 115 pounds? I'm 5'8, 140 pounds! Dear God... I'm a fat ass! *cries and runs off to eat a pound cake* BTW, yes I believe that those milk advirtisements were faulty. Hell, I'm still short and drink a ton of milk. However, I will credit milk with the fact that I've never broken a bone in my body... ever *knocks on wood* And I've had some pretty scary spills including falling off of the roof of my house (it's a three story house), getting whacked in the leg with a metal pipe, having a TV fall on me, and getting hit by a car.

Caliope: Oy... no poking lest you might incur the wrath of my tickling. :) *reads previous posts and gives her a hug* I'm so sorry to hear that your house was burglarized. At least neither you nor your family was hurt. As for what they took... well I don't try to understand what goes on in the minds of people sometimes. I'll never forget when I was in Italy and my mother tried haggling over a 1000 lira bill. After five minutes we finally told her that it was worth the equivalent of about 66 cents in American currency. :)

Warpmind: A bowl of milk's not going to do anything. Lain needs to snag some catnip. ;) So... how's the sick? You actually taking medication or are you like my brother who complains but never does anything to remedy the illness? :) BTW, I'd mail you a burger (cause there are some really good ones in Pittsburgh) but methinks you wouldn't want it by the time it gets to you.

Gunjack: You killed DC for me with a huge, flaming bag of $hit? ...Now THAT'S comedy! :D Thanks for wishes on Erin, and I'm glad to hear your tickets to Canada came in finally. Let the insanity commence. :) *reads further* You're sick too? Damn, everyone's getting sick. I'm going to start wearing a cloth around my mouth next time I post here. :) Still, glad to hear your temperature is down. And yes... that sounds like a good jacket. ;)

Winterwolf: *Emambu baps winterwolf with snowballs that he's been saving in his freezer* Sorry, had to knock you off your pedestal there... :) j/k Glad to hear that life is treating you kindly at the moment. Life is treating me well too. I got a solo so I'm psyched. Now you HAVE to come out and listen when we sing in New York. :) BTW, thanks for the oreos *begins eating and then offer some to Winterwolf to show that there were no cruel intentions with the snowball* I see you're encroaching upon my useless knowledge territory. Well great! The more the merrier! :)

Big, belated welcomes to both Gleeb and Stefa, especially Stefa because Brooklyn's her favorite character. :)

Daniel Johnson: Good to know you're alive. Looking foward to your next post, how you've been, how Spunky's been... :)

Kit and Doug, Cat and Mecord, Archwolf and Aingeal, Stephen and Heather: It's now time be a big, rousing "AWW" from me. On three... one, two, three: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! :)

Mecord: Good to hear from you again. My congratulations to you and Cat if I haven't said anything about it earlier.

Spike: My congratulations on Despair and Deliverance becoming available for purchase. But... I can't buy it with my Credit Card? AAAAHH! That's the only way I CAN buy it. I'm completely broke otherwise. Grrr... not fair, not fair, not fair, not fair, not fair, not fair, not fair, not fair, not fair, not fair, not fair, and so forth and so on.

Stephen Sobotka: Congrats to you as well. That's great news!

Kitainia: No... not a fun Spring Break by any accounts. I'm going to need a vacation from my vacation. :) But hey, thanks for the attempt. Best of luck with the house. It sounds like the pieces are slowly beginning to fit together. Congratulations for Stephanie. Only a month left... wow. :)

Sevarius Jr: get my mind out of the gutter? What gutter? For that matter what mind? :) Oh and that Scooby Doo link... Gah! That's going to give me nightmares, man.

To all the old and current debates: no comment.

Random dirty thought *sensitive eyes turn away ;)*: How come the "Dirty Tail Trick" is always tied to Lex? I can understand why Broadway never used it since he's very sensitive, but why not Brooklyn? Is it because he already has a beak that can be very... uhh... useful?

Niamhgold: Hey, a Niamhgold sighting! Coolness! maybe they'll become more frequent. :)

Doug: Well, I could tell about the time my brother went a week without any windows on the first floor of his house because of a lazy contractor. Not a good thing when you're in Philadelphia, or hell ANY major metropolis. :) he had to put trashbags over the openings so the house would appear to be condemned and no one would break in. BTW, nope, Spring Break was not fun. Useful, but not fun. And thanks, I hope to get into AvMists next issue as well. Of course, you have proofread and ok everything before I send it anywhere. ;) Good luck with the job hunt. I'm searching right along side you. :) However, you have experience and Abel better write you up a nice recommendation for everything you've done. You'll find something soon.

Dreamie: I agree with you that Gargoyles has brought out many wonderful activities and has brought together many wonderful people. I hope one day to be a part of that *goes off to plan for August 2002*

Revel: Good luck with the Dragon Eye fic. I look forward to reading it one day. :) BTW, you forgot self-pitied so you can't be done yet. ;)

Lain: I always listen. Sometimes it's all I can do.

**********AVALON MIST SPOILERS**********

Took me long enough, huh? Ah well, this should go by easier since they're isn't too much in the way of literature. However, the copious amounts of high quality (and low brow humor) artwork more then makes up for it, for me. Starting off with the hilarious gargoyles cartoons. Normally, they're pretty good but this issue was side-splitting hilarious. My favorite: Angela complaining about the Trio watching her eat a banana. *laughs* I'm a dirty, dirty boy. :D The one about teaching Gargoyles how to fly was great, and you gotta love the last one wear Brooklyn puts on the Eye of Odin. Of course, from that series skit, nothing beats when Angela put on the Eye. :) Micheal Heitz: You rock!

As for the serious art pieces... I liked them all but "massacre" gets a special note with me for the amount of emotion in portrays. The gargoyle leg standing alone on the parapet adds to the vulnerability for this scene. We never know how this Gargress survived but it's not important. The loss of her clan, the chaos and clutter in the center of the picture, is the only thing that burns in our minds.

The character spotlight on Aerielle looked very good as well. I'm curious as to what computer editor was used. I hope I'm not wrong in thinking that it was done on the computer. The last thing I want to do is insult this artist. Next, is the artist spotlight on The Barracuda. Despite, a lack of lighting, I love the overall detail on all of these characters especially Kessik and Ares. Plus, each character exerts his or her own emotion from the grace of Infiniti and Rain, to the toughness of Aurora, to the beauty of Annika, to the mysticism of Ember. And as for Iliana, well... I can't say no to someone who likes Red Dwarf. :) Last, but certainly not least, is Krista's pic which is nothing short of jaw-dropping. :) What IS Goliath wearing anyway? Looks good IMHO. I really like the wind whipping the hair around. It gives it a dramatic edge. :) Overall, a marvelous job by all the artists.

As for the reading material, well it was lean pickings this issue but four fiction features are certainly enough to tide me over. Starting with "The Darkest of Promises," a very dark fic (title serves it well) about demons and the forces of good combating once again with the forces of evil. I can only hope that we will see more of this. Kit's character is amazing. I never expect her level of sorcery or manipulation when we first meet her. But maybe that's how she got Demona and Jericho involved. Heck, even the latter is freaked out. That's hard to do. I loved Hudson's ominous declaration towards the end, and the last attempt from Angela to find some kind of redemption in Demona. it reminded me a little bit of Star Wars in what Luke says to his father on Endor just before his battle with the Emperor. A wonderfully detailed fic.

To James Birdsong's fic... the only thing I wanted at the end was: "And there was much rejoicing" All: "yay!" :)

Moving on to Rodlox's fic (When will he post in here? When?) I found it to be an interesting mix of time and parallel universes. I certainly hope we get to see more of these "gods" like the ceratopian gargoyle. Also, is it my imagination or has time been skewed a little. Poland was not a country in 1914 and the Germans attacked the western front not the eastern front at the start of WWI. They didn't have huge masses of tanks either. if this is error on the author then so be it. But if this was done on purpose... then I hope we get to see more, as well as the repercussions that naturally come with changing history. An interesting, if somewhat confusing, read.

And finally we come to "Gargoyle Troopers" by Desslock. Now, I never was a huge rabid fan of crossovers, and I didn't like Starship Troopers very much. However, this fic seems to combine the good elements of the movie, with the wonderful world of Gargoyles. The story seems to follow two themes surrounding Rick and Brooklyn. The former is trying to find himself as well as his identity. I mean, he's a clone of a gargoyle and doesn't turn to stone during the day. it can be hard to except even when you're the one figuring it out. The latter is looking for respect. His rookery brothers still treat him like a hatchling and Goliath's constant overbearing nature doesn't help. Naturally, right at the end, the two cross paths (or at least are about to). What could be better then sending Brooklyn off to solve this mystery that Xanatos has presented? I enjoyed the scenes with the Roughwings, especially that ominous ending, so I hope we'll get to see more of them. Mechanically there were a few errors but nothing to get in a twist over. A well written fic that I think most people will like even if you're not usually a fan of crossover styles. :)

Bottom line: FRIGGIN FANTASTIC ISSUE! And that's my final answer. :)
**********END SPOILERS**********

That's all for now. Must sleep and then fly off to the wedding. Take care everyone,


---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hotmail.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Friday, March 16, 2001 12:29:14 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

Once more, unpopular opinions are suppressed. Gee, what a surprise.

Troll: Nice little quotes. I've got one from Transmetropolitan that fits recent events in here pretty well: "If anybody in this $h!thole city gave two tugs of a dead dog's c--k about Truth, this wouldn't be happening." Maybe if you had actually done your job instead of played favorites, a lot of unpleasantness could've been avoided.

And as for your BS about "it's an old fight," well, bubba, I'd like to see YOU get screwed over by people you thought were friends, and then we'd see how quickly YOU decide to just "live and let live." I bet if you were on the receiving end, you wouldn't be nearly as morally superior as you like to pretend you are.

Whatever. All I can do is what I've always done--tell the truth. People will be able to see what's really going on here, no matter how much you try to hide it.

On to other stuff. It's been brought to my attention that a part of my last post, in which I was talking about TGS and some of the TGS background in my fics, "trashed" Denis and "disregarded all the time and effort" he put into his outlines. I want to say that I certainly never intended to "trash" him, and I've read that part over and over and still don't think it trashes him at all, but if it comes across that way, then I'm sorry, and I want to clarify a couple of things.

When I talked about rewriting all my old fics, I wasn't talking about removing everything Denis put in his outlines. I simply meant that I'm planning to make some minor edits here and there to snip out certain bits of TGS background and characters that I won't be using in the future. I wanted to let my readers know why certain elements that were introduced previously won't be explored later on, and that as soon as I can, I'll fix parts of the earlier stories to make them fit the later ones better. The massive rewriting I implied in the last post is simply referring to things I'll be *adding* to the earlier stories to fix plot holes and provide more background information on some of the characters to explain their motivations a little better. My very first fic, especially, will need quite a few scenes added, some of them flashbacks into Koz's memory, to better explain why he's doing what he's doing. And I had plans for the Phoenix Gate that got knocked sideways when Isaac Payne entered the outlines; I'll be keeping that character, and Angela Destine-Payne, because they became integral to the storylines and quite a few plots would collapse if they were removed, but I'll be reworking the stuff about the Phoenix Gate so I'll be able to use some of the ideas for it that I came up with more than two years ago, when I first started writing these stories.

So, that's it, basically. Just a few minor edits, and quite a bit of stuff being added. I never meant to "trash" Denis and I don't think it looked as if I did, but apparently this needed clarification, so here it is.

Doug: I thought about responding to your comments, but then I realized there isn't much point. You'd just agree with me, then two seconds later you'd agree with a completely opposite opinion. So I won't even bother. I'm not gonna play that game anymore. I do wonder, though, which of your opinions are genuine and which serve only to either keep from being yelled at or to kiss ass. Do you even *have* any real opinions? Whatever. I'm through with this stuff. I don't have time to waste on these stupid "I agree with everybody" games.

Personal stuff: As if I didn't need anything else to be pissed about, now I find out that the house we're living in has been sold and the new owners want us to move out. On one hand, this house is a complete piece of crap and I've been wanting to get out for a while. On the other...I've moved at least 25 times in the last 10 or 15 years, and we've never gotten out of this goddamn little town. We might have a house already; we took a look at it this afternoon, and I guess it's in pretty good condition. It looks a little bit bigger than the one we're in right now, but I won't know for certain until the furniture and stuff is moved in. Then we'll see if I can actually take two steps without bumping into something. But the aggravating thing is...we spent all day looking for an apartment or house, and even the cheapest ones started at $400/month and went on up to $1,000. For someone who makes $500/month....crap. And I'm just so sick of moving, packing and then unpacking and all that stuff, again and again and again... As if I'm not already far enough behind on everything I've been wanting to get done, now it'll be several more days--at *least*--until I'm able to get back online on an at least semi-regular basis. So, things like my already-slow email responses are gonna drag on a bit longer.

I suppose I should add some good news in here. There's a possibility that I might actually get a story published in a new magazine. It'll be quite a while before the mag starts up, though, so all I can say now is that the chances are good. I'll post an announcement when it sees print. And then, to celebrate, maybe I'll read one of Madame Destine's fics and then masturbate feverishly.

Just kidding. ;)

That's about all I have time for, now. Gotta start packing my crap. Just wanted to let people know that I'll probably be out of the loop for a few days, at least.
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:53:59 PM
IP: 3ip133.rvi.net

SJ> Sorry, but that shirt is still not "me". But it sounds much better for my father. I'll place an order for 366 shirts so he has one for everyday of the year and leap-years.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:27:28 PM
IP: dialin-970-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

heyas all..
I got a GREAT CD today.. Anyone here heard of Nelly Furtado? She's a gal from somewheres in BC and I REALLY like her stuff (huzzah for Canadian Content regs on radio or I would have never heard of her, what with the inundations of N'Sync and Brittney dohickey-chick) (ducks at the swing from Imzadi for insulting his GOD..) ;)

anyway, here's some lyrics.. but short.. and only one.. so Kaioto doesn't EAT ME for it.. but I think there's some in here who would appreciate this song :)
Baby Girl
I've seen men cry, I've seen a man die inside
I've seen him say to me that he is only mine
That he got to do what is best for him
Never let me in, not even begin
To tell me I'm the one the one under his moon and sun
That I am the thing that revolves around him
But while on top of him, I know what's best for him
I'll show him how to win and let me in because
I don't wanna be your baby girl
I don't wanna be your little pearl
I just want to be what's best for me
To be one under my own star and sun
We're all sorry now, I didn't mean to wow
Make you cry like that, it's just a little spat
Still I want you to know, though I love you so
it's mostly me dreaming, forcing, believing
That you're ideal
hell I never steal
But I stole you from, from another one
So take yourself and wrap around my little finger
Cuz that's how it should swing
[chorus]
Why can't he see
Why can't he see what's inside of me, yeah
don't you, don't you call me coochie-coo a little girl, now
Don't you gaga goo no coochie-coo girl, now
I'm so much more, can't you see?
Can't you see?
Look who's writing a new tocan of their love
Can't you see love that it's just because
I wanted a cheap way inside your head
And not a cheap way inside your bed
Oh you're running now, with that silly one
It's all over now, this woman's just begun
Maybe someday we'll see about the will and the way
Butterflies return some day
I don't wanna be your baby girl
I don't wanna be your little pearl
I just want to be what's best for me..

sorry about that again.. thought you would enjoy it.. I know *I* really enjoy anyone who writes lyrics "coochie-coo" how bout you?
I want to post the whole album's lyrics but I KNOW I would get SHOT with all these loose guns hangin out in here ;)

Speaking of guns.. I could tote the theory that guns usually just escalate situations but... yeah... *waits for the rapport* ;)

Gunjack Valentine>> My dear... "Her six cool, brass eyes and the wooden words and the thousands of teeth like a winding mountian stair"... if that's what you are like when you are sane.. can't wait to see you drunk ];) " How? I thought you were commenting on the poor driving of women, not their vindictive, homicidal tendencies... ; )".. heeeeeeey... what exactly are you trying to imply here????

Jannie>> yeah.. I hate asking for assistance.. I never ever do.. even when I KNOW that not asking for it can kill me :| eeeek.. that's not a good thought.. :(
so yeah.. I was always taught to be a strong upstanding self-sufficient woman by my parents, and I would never ask for THEIR help either. (oh ye GODS, admit that I NEEDED something from ANYONE??) maybe this is my pride or.. I don't know.. maybe just my stubborn stupidity..

Firestorm>> speaking of not asking for help... I got me an arythmia cos I didn't ask for help.. smart move, no?
*hugs*

Kit>> you know the scariest thing I ever heard about human cloning was... well awhile ago they cloned some headless mice (which promptly died after birth.. having no mouths etc) but the idea was that they could extend this technology and clone headless humans (AKA not "real" people) and use them for organ harvest..
*shivers*

XenaTrek>> (kinda overdue, I know..) I have a cousin back in England who has suffered a LOT at the hands of the kids around her because she has a learning disability. People taking advantage of her, the school system not treating her well (does she go to the "hearing impared" school or the "normal" school.. they took about three years to even FIGURE OUT that she could hear fine.. geez..) Her father doesn't like the fact that he has a disabled daughter (he thinks it's a reflection on his own manhood or some such stupid thing.. she got caught in the umbilical cord and it cut off the oxygen to her brain when she was born what does that have to do with HIM???)
gah..
anyway.. she has had ONE friend through it all.. one strong beautiful friend who takes her out and drives her all over and spends time with her and.. I just can't express how much that must mean to her.
When I was in England, my cousin was down-in-the because her friend is getting engaged, and she is afraid it will take her away and she wants to move out and her mum won't let her cos she is 26 years old and she doesn't think she can handle life away from mother.. so I took her out to the movies
we saw "the emperor's new groove" (which I had seed twice before but.. she likes the animated stuff cos she can understand it) and my father was talking about it like it was some HUUUUUGE sacrifice I had made...
but I LIKE her..
I DETEST people that tease her, just because she is different.. she works at the "kwik save" store at the corner and everyone is SO mean to her.. and her parents boss her around and check on her every three seconds (even when she's in the bath) and I just... ARGH!!!
sorry this is kinda off topic.. but I basically wanted to say that I understand what you mean about disadvantaged people being emotionally and verbally abused.. *hugs*

anyway.. now I feel drained...
it's only 10 30 and I am losing it.. wow.. I must be getting old or something ;)

speaking of music.. my wall-mate has a band called "insidious blondes (I think)" and I got my hands on part of a CD they haven't released yet and.. there was this one song.. "I'll be there" that made me cry.. ACTUALLY made that salty wet stuff slide down my cheeks.. the song was about a person in love with another who was dying.. :( made me think of my mother..
"I saw you just the other day
I didn't know how much your life would change
and now I watch it slip away
tell me Lord how could this happen?
but I'll be there, won't walk away
I'll be the last one you see at night, and the first when you awake
it'll be allright, you'll be okay
I will stay with you, we'll make it through
you're not alone in this fight
cos I'll be there."

I have been thinking of my mother so much lately.. I don't know why. I miss her so much. I know I have said this before but there's so much I wish I had said to her.. oh here we go again.. here comes the soggy saltiness.. it's probably all this pottery I have in my room. I know my obsession with plants is because I want to make things grow.. I want to make them be alive, I take in sad plants on the discount shelf and nurse them back to health. I got some baby roses for 99 cents the other day, they looked like they were going to die any second but now they are okay.. I think they're going to live.
but the thing is my mum looked okay..
she looked so happy and healthy.. she only started to look sick when they started administering the "cure". And it was too late, I mean.. we knew at the start that she probably wouldn't make it. Sorry.. *I* knew..
I remember knowing they had bad news before my auditions for this school, they were so careful to not tell me so I wouldn't get stressed and mess up my performance and I played along. Then in the car on the way back I asked my dad "so how long?". And he was surprised that I knew. They never gave her a date or a "timeframe".
I remember I didn't go out for halloween that year. My roommate went out with some exchange students and I had given one of them my costume so I couldn't go. And I was trying to think of things I could give her for Christmas. I wrote my father a baroque dance suite for a string quartet and I decided to make her the cranes. By the time I reached one hundred, I thought to myself.. "oh geez.. how the HECK am I going to make one thousand my christmas? I wonder if I can give them to her for her birthday" and some little teeny voice in the back of my head said "she won't make it that long" So I folded.
Yeah.. we had a tearful christmas..
I kinda wish I had been at home for New Years instead of trying to administer first-aid to the convulsing underage girl (who was probably drunk AND stoned) on the bathroom floor at my so-called "friend's" new year's party. You only realize how things are a waste of time AFTER the fact. These were the people who giggled behind me at the funeral, and compared tattoo designs at the reception afterwards. And I think "who cares?" it's a tattoo.. it means you and your internet chat buddy have a homosexual fantasy of Madonna and her Ray of Light. So what? Is it really THAT important? Do you have to do that NOW? how about trying to sort some of these shoes out with me? all of the people have left such a mess here.. How about trying to stop the dogs from barking?
what do things like that mean?
Am I supposed to care about things like that?
These are the stupid things I remember from that day. Sorting shoes. Hugging people I didn't know. Watching our next door neighbour trying to snoop unnoticed in our basement.
I know I'm not the only one who has ever lost a loved one, but I don't think I ever grieved. I never cried. Maybe I have been in denial for more than a year, is that possible?
I used to have dreams that she was always shouting at me for everything. Now I don't have any of her.. and I am getting afraid that I can't remember what she looks like. I can't remember her voice.. what I would give for a minute of the sound of her voice.. I can't remember what she smells like.. you know, these things? I found a hat of hers last weekend and sat and smelled it for about 10 minutes, trying to remember.. all her clothes have gon.. and pottery is cold and hard to the touch. It doesn't talk.. but it has her handprints in it.. her fingers making the ridges.. mixing the glaze.. funny how it was probably the glaze that poisoned her.
Did you know they analysed Beethoven's hair and found out he probably died from lead poisoning from the pewter goblet from which he drank that red wine?

anyway.. I need to go..
thank you for listening..
*smiles faintly*
music always did have the power to do this to me..

com murito amor,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:21:13 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

***BEGIN RP***
The Park.

Kari sat down hesitantly on the park bench, and placed her clutches beside her. Her new "acquaintance", Ethan Mercurius, sat down beside her on the other side of the bench.
"I know what must be going through your head right now," he said. "Who is this man, and how does he know about me and my powers?" Ethan turned to her and smiled. "Well, you haven't exactly been keeping your powers secret, have you? Running about the world and all, fighting evil and such. Some people are bound to notice."
"And you are one of them?" she asked, wary.
"Yes, actually. Don't worry , though, my motives are purely benevolent."
"Oh, are they?"
He laughed softly. "Well, yes, I see your point of view. It's hard to trust a stranger who you've only just met, a stranger who obviously knows quite a bit about who you are and what you can really do."
"I want to know how you know about me. And what you meant about giving me back my powers."
Ethan paused, and from his pocket took out a slice of bread. He proceeded to tear it up into small pieces and fed them to the cluster of birds that had congregated at his feet. "You could say that we have been looking for you for quite some time."
"We? As in, more than one?"
"Yes. We are a group of.....concerned individuals. We've been searching for the 4th among us, and you are that person."
"I'm afraid that I don't follow you."
"How did you get your powers in the first place?"
"You probably already know the answer to that."
"That I do, but I want to hear you say it."
She sighed. "SJ, my boyfriend.....ex-boyfriend, I guess....he gave me a necklace. It was enchanted, and once I wore it, I became the Avatar of Athena. I was able to channel her, all of her strength and power."
Ethan nodded. "Yes. But did you ever think that perhaps you were not the only Avatar in existence?"
Kari's eyes narrowed. "Are you telling me--"
"There are other Avatars in the world, Kari. Not many, but a few. I am one of them. So are you. Your powers, unfortunately, have been weakened to the point where you can not access or control them, but they are not lost. But that is a problem that can be easily rectified."
Kari took a moment to digest what he had said. "So....so you're an Avatar as well?"
"Yes. I would have thought it was rather obvious--Ethan Mercurius?"
"So.....you want to help me get my powers back?"
"Yes. But beyond that, I want you to join me and our brethren. Our numbers are few, Kari, and we have been searching for you for a long time. We seek to bring honor and glory and majesty back to the Pantheon. To purge the world of evil. But we need your help to do it. Will you?"
She was silent for a moment, her mind pondering. "I...I don't know. This is all so sudden, and you are asking a lot."
He gave her a sympathetic look. "I know. Perhaps you need time to think this over. After all, if you accept my offer, than you will have to come with me."
"Where?"
"Greece. It is only there, in the shadow of Olympus, that you will be able to regain your true strength." He stood up, sending the feeding birds scattering. "I will be in town for a little while. In two days time, I will come to you and ask you your decision. I hate to put you 'on the spot', as I believe you Americans say, but our mission is one of urgency. Please consider everything that I have told you."
"I...I will. I'll have an answer for you then."
He smiled. "Than I bid you farewell, my dear. I look forward to hearing your reply."
Than, with a shimmer of light, he vanished, leaving Kari alone and silent on the park bench.
***PAUSE RP***

Well, my exams for this week are finally done.....God, I hate exams. Mid-Terms especially. All college professors are closet sadists, of that I am utterly convinced.
And I have to say this to all of you out there who may be statisiticans--You people are insane. To think your line of work is enjoyable, I pity you. When I am King, you will be first against the wall.

I got virtually no sleep in the past....36 hours because of the Statistics exam I had today. Oh, the torture of it....Like I said only insane people would love this course. Want an example of my torture? How about this?

Supposing that the variable X has a binomial distribution (with a normal curve), and that the sample population is 602 (thus, n=602) and that p=0.378, what is the probability that X would be more than 210 but less than 240? [Super big hint: Don't forget to bump the boundaries!!!]

I had to deal with only about a 100 of those in the past day and a half. I fear I will be hallucinating them in my dreams, if I can actually get some sleep tonight.

Doug...or Kit....or whomever it was that last wrote to me, my brain is so addled at this point....I'm going to say this to you (I guess I'm directing this at Doug) in the nicest way I know how, which is to say that it won't be that nice at all, but it will be honest: you have to knock this "I agree with everyone" bullsh!t. You don't like having anyone mad at you? No one does, but guess what? It's gonna happen. Beyond that, the inevitable, sometimes it is NECESSARY for you to disagree with someone. You may get upset at me for saying this--and I hope you do, it would be better than you agreeing with what I say ALL the time (I know, you don't but you get my brutal point)--but the more you agree with 2 people who are obviously on 2 completely different ends of the spectrum, the more your credibility goes right out the window. When I see you agree with EVERYONE, I don't care who it is, the more I see you agree with BOTH sides of ANY argument, my respect for you plummets into the 10th circle of hell. Cause you know what? You can write agreeing with everyone off as wanting to avoid confrontation--it's not, by the way--or you can write it off as fear of the wrath of others, but what it really is is just being *shallow*. It's called being a kiss-ass. I come into the CR, and I see you agree with *fill in the blank* (and I'll use a general example here, say Josh and Tim, who have different views on gun control) both at the same time, I think to myself, you aren't someone with any backbone, cause you won't make a fist and just go with your own personal beliefs. Sometimes you HAVE to disagree with someone, sometimes you have to draw a line and choose a side. Doesn't really matter which side that is. I'm sorry, but what you do when you do agree with everyone is you pander.
Now I'm honestly not trying to insult you, even though it may seem that I am. But the thing is, sometimes you have to show some balls and say "I disagree with you" and leave it at that. Or, conversely, say "I agree with you" to ONE person, and leave it at that. Again, I'm sorry if this offends you....and maybe I'm on an island by myself here in my opinion of that behavior. But that's honestly my take on this. Think of it as some rather unsavory constructive criticism, or as an insult, the choice is yours. I didn't mean it in a totally negative way, but this is just how I feel.

Greg: Hey, don't worry! King of Infallibility t-shirts don't have to have text on them! They come with graphical representations as well. Naughty, offensive pictures meant to shock one's sensibilities. I'll send you a KoI t-shirt with a big middle finger for you. Wait, I suppose I should have said I'll send you a KoI t-shirt with a big middle finger ON the shirt, for you. Forgive me, I am sleep-deprived. I have become far too familiar with the 3 o'clock hour....

Guns: Hey, it's during debates like this that I say aloud, proudly:

This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my bestfriend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Withoutme, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

And remember, gentlemen, your days of finger-banging old Mary Jane Rottencrotch through her pretty pink panties are over. This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun. IS THAT A JELLY DOUGHNUT IN YOUR FOOT LOCKER, PRIVATE PYLE???

O Wise CR Sage: There are varying opinions as to how I taste.
Frankly, though, I would think you would be more interested in eating women. But hey, if not, there's nothing wrong with that.

Female Race Car Drivers: I have no problem with them. I say that females should have every right to crash and die horribly, just like the guys. Personally, I wouldn't know why women would want to race cars. But then again, I don't see why *men* like to race cars. I'm sorry, I know it's the fastest growing "sport" (snicker, snicker) in the USA, but I just can't help but see it as redneck. Not bad redneck, but still redneck. If you will excuse me, I must go watch a decidedly non-redneck sport, WWF Smackdown (yes, my tongue is in my cheek).
I will say this though: I do not think that women are worse drivers than men, but the worst drivers alive are teenage girls. When I was in my senior year of high school, 1/3 (at least) of the girls in my homeroom class totalled their cars. And I still have nightmares from driver's ed. Whenever one of the girls drove, I was sporting some white knuckles, that's for sure.

Kathy: Hey, that's TWO vocal critics. Show some recognition, please.

Fire Storm: But the lyrics are the best part of Bloodhound Gang! Doggystle so we can both watch X-Files? That's poetry, man!!! ;)

The Rich: Well, I'm already lazy, so I look forward to earning big bucks so that I can finally become the true embodiment of evil....

Warpmind: I know that you no longer have the time to RP, but would you mind if you (your character) make a brief cameo in my RP a little bit down the line? I sort of need you to help further the plot. What do you say?

***ENTERTAINMENT NEWS***
Well, the inevitable has happened, and lo, the earth shook and the heavens trembled, and the sun was black as sackcloth, and the moon was as of blood: An honest-to-God African-American is coming to the TV show Friends. The actress will be playing the potential love interest of Joey (I think that's the story line. Who knows, I hate that show anyway).
Of course, it IS only for one episode (naturally), but hey, I guess this means they're only moderately discriminatory now!

And in Farscape news, fans of the show should take note that the season 3 premiere is tomorrow night at 9 p.m. on the Sci-Fi channel. As an added bonus, Sci-Fi is showing a 1 hr. primer on the show and its mythology at 8 p.m., just prior to the premiere. It's 2 solid hours of Farscape goodness.
As for the upcoming season, 3 things have been revealed:
*Someone in the crew will betray the others (no big surprise--all signs point to Jothee).
*There will be lots of alien sex. Hopefully, when they say that they mean Zhaan or Chiana, and not Rygel or Pilot.
*Aeryn won't be dead for long. (Of course not! That'd ruin the show! We need that Crichton/Sun romance!!!)

***RESUME RP***
The Mountain.

He looked into the great reflecting pool of the garden and watched the interchange between Ethan and the Fourth Avatar. He smiled to himself, and the female beside him rolled her eyes.
"That's her?" she said, contempt in her voice. "That's the girl that you've become so obsessed with? She hardly looks worthy enough to be one of our kind."
He resisted the urge to strike her. "Silence your tongue. She will complete us; with her, we will become strong again. The Glory and the Majesty of Elysia will become ours!"
"Talk, talk, talk. That's all you're every good for," she hissed, and left the garden.
Ethan shimmered into view beside him.
"Well, what do you think? Will she accept our offer?"
Ethan cocked his head. "Difficult to say. I think she wants to, but she lacks the proper incentive. I think she still has ties to her old way of life."
"The boy?"
Ethan nodded.
He laughed darkly. "Than we remove him."
"Permanently?"
"Unnecessary. We simply take the poison in her heart towards him, and we make it grow. Can you do this?"
Ethan grinned wickedly, slipping the tip of his tongue out like a snake, as if to taste the air. "Oh yes. That I can do quite nicely."
****END RP FOR NOW****
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:20:29 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

"A gun is not a weapon, it's a tool. Like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, or an alligator." -Homer Simpson

Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, March 15, 2001 07:51:49 PM
IP: dialin-221-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Josh: <<Guns don't kill people, people kill people. PEOPLE WITH GUNS! >> Yes, so do people with cars, people with knives, people with blunt objects, fist, teeth, and so on. Notice a pattern?

If I may ask, why shouldn't *I* have any guns?

People with guns save lives as well and offer protection. Don't believe me? Put a big sign on your front lawn that says, "THIS IS A GUN FREE HOME! THERE ARE NO GUNS IN THIS HOUSE!"

And if I may ask, why is it that you wouldn't trust people like me to have guns, hmm? Heh-heh-heh. MWAAA-HAAA-HAAA! Oops. (ahem)
Tim Phipps
Thursday, March 15, 2001 07:46:09 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

Where Napster got its money from- Advertising. With something like 12 million people a day visiting Napster, you can bet advertisers would be willing to pay for a spot onm the front of the webpage.

Firestorm- You forgot one little thing tho. Lets just say Ranma hooks up with Ukyop, and then Akane hooks up with Ryoga. Except then the next logical step is, Akane finds out Ryoga is P-Chan and has been sleeping with her all this time, seeing her naked, etc, and then kills him. Then Akane is depressed and Ranma feels bad because Akane is lonely and he's partly responsible for the death of Ryoga. So he starts seeing her agasin and Ukyo gets furious and things are like they always were, but worse.

Of course, I've only ever seen one fanfic where Ryoga hooks up with Kasumi...
Robby
Thursday, March 15, 2001 07:27:13 PM
IP: ac8307bf.ipt.aol.com

This is a good jacket. Why is it a good jacket? Because it has a hood, and sleeves long enough to hide my hands... But not the knives. Jaggedy Ann doesn't hide, not in a house as common as cloth... Her six cool, brass eyes and the wooden words and the thousands of teeth like a winding mountian stair and the facets of her beak, and the scratches on her sides and the blue scar on her spine's tip where I burned her with the grinding wheel... She was meant to be burried in better than cloth, oh yes...

Well Gside, you said you wanted to see me after the meds kicked in... ; )
Actually, I'm sober and feeling pretty good. All that's left of the illness is a bit of a cough, and that should be gone too by the end of the week. No more eyes burning shut, not more hacking up chunks of lung, no more dreams about melting black mages and the angels of death... Life is spiffy once more. And as if that weren't enough, directly under the keyboard that I'm using to type these VERY WORDS, there resides a packet of paper, inside which is a small reel of thin, sloppily-printed paper objects. In some primitive societies, these are known as BUS TICKETS, and a brief perusal reveals that the destination is a certian college town north of the Canadian border. MY TICKETS ARE HERE! I'M GOING TO CANADA!!! 8D *fastdraws his pistol and fires jubilently in the air while whooping like an indian.*

Eeeenyhoo. On to replies! Just for the heckuvit, I'm gonna do these from the top DOWN. Thrilling Hijinks Ensue.

Imzadi><<(I rarely go outside, I'm an engineer).>> Excluding trips to the car, I've probably been outside ten times in the last year. Do I qualify as "Dangerously Reclusive" yet? <<Whoa. Note to self: never move to Texas.>> Whyever not!? Sure the weather's a little weird, but the rest of the advantages make up for it... Like the attitude everyone has down here. Or the liberal firearms laws. Which brings us to... <<PEOPLE WITH GUNS!>> Or people with knives, or clubs, or chains, or their own bare hands... People have been killing each other since time began. It's a fact of life, and there's not a whole lot you can do about it. If you want to cut down on the death-rate go into medicine or start cracking down on the automobile industry. If I'm not mistaken, a chap over in Isreal recently demonstrated how much damage you can do with a tour bus and a crowded street. <<They're like gamblers, only stupider.>> I donno... Suppose Napster ends up as the cornerstone of a new digital music empire? I could see it happening... And I'd imagine that Napster stock (if any exists) was worth a heckuva lot before the court ruled against 'em... <<Napster and its low-quality, slow-download crap can rot in hell for all I care.>> I've heard the "low quality" accusation before, but I don't get it... The stuff I've gotten off napster sounds exactly the same as the stuff I've got on CDs. What's the difference?
<<Holding me down and beating me will only serve to validate my point.>> How? I thought you were commenting on the poor driving of women, not their vindictive, homicidal tendencies... ; ) <<Cuz the later is definitely not stupid, it rules.>> Plus, it can be used as a weapon to repel annoying people. Or so I've heard...

Christine><<...Not his weird postapocalyptic lobstrosity thing.>> lobstrosity? o.O ...You just made that word up, didn'tcha? Or was that a reference to the things that ate Roland's fingers? And for the record, I've never read the dark tower series either... Just skimmed a few books, and ran with the ideas therin.

Firestorm><<DUDES! Napster is DOWN!>> And it's back up. I just DLed "Mr Brownstone this afternoon, and I was working on some Nelly when I had to DC. It's enough to make ya dizzy... ; ) <<I am here listening to Techno and Russian naval themes, and they are NOT the same song!>> Themes from what? o.O <<THE LYRICS!>> No kidding. That's the problem with MOST bloodhound gang music... <<Does anyone else see a problem with this?>> Please tell me the flight path isn't traveling over America... <<Reason why my cheast hurt: Heart Arythmia. Sucks.>> Whoa! When did you find this out!? <<Ranma likes Ukyo. Ukyo like Ranma. Akane likes Ryoga. Ryoga likes Akane. Everyone is happy!>> Heh... Will Akane still like Ryouga after she finds out he's been sleeping with her every night? o.O <<Gunjack: Are you aware of any material that truly protects against a EMP? (REAL materials)>> To my understanding, the only way to EMP shield is to completely surround whatever you're protecting with either steel or copper (can't remember which). Also, I think fiber-optic systems are immune, so there's a second choice. Why?

Juliexia - Yes, it's safe now. Or rather, as safe as it ever gets in here. Welcome back. : )

Gside><<I don't really think that's quite the point of emulation. It's more like "Metroid, I remember that, great game, hey I've got an emulator and can get the rom in under a minute, I think I'll fire it up and see how long it takes me to kill Kraid.">> Some of us weren't lucky enough to catch those games the first time around. And some of us had older brothers who wouldn't let us play for SIX YEARS. Not that I'm bitter or anything, cause Johnny hasn't had time to play games for the last five years, and now *I'M* the one who oozes l337n3$$! BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHACKcoughcoughchoke... Urk... And I'm not allowed to take any more happy FUN pills for at least another few hours... <<I'll second the Odd part.>> You're too kind. I'd hate to have to go through all the trouble of PROVING it again... <<So, ever going to make a full post again?>> Nope, I don't think so... Really, I'm considering going off to bavaria to be a sheep merchant.
<<...Sexual Lust? PSL shall never die.>> See above comment. And how could it when Joyce is still a loose cannon?
<<I wouldn't say there's that much of a difference. And aren't the best evil groins unusually big?>> I'm not going NEAR that. Instead, I'm going to railgun Warps from orbit using the new HKEW constelation, and thusly render the point moot. Simon says, anyone NOT wishing to be rendered aerosol by 3-ounce lead pellets moving at .1 lightspeed please take three GIANT steps away from Warpmind. Thank yew.
<<That sounds moderately wrong.>> Wang things do. Most. Remember that Noriko Morning strip from Beta? ; )

Emambu><<Anyone wants to retaliate in my name, feel free to do so.>> Thought you'd never ask, Laddie... *Val pulls a huge burlap sack full of manure out of the corner, sets it on fire with his zippo. Then, with a vast overhand swing, he brings the flaming sack down on an unsuspecting DC's head, crushing the hacker's skull down into his ribcage.*
THAT oughta make for a good obituary...
Sorry to hear about the post, but HUUUUGE gratz to Erin! :D ...Come to think of it, huge gratz to the rest of you engaged people who have been popping up like dasies lately! And to Kit's sis on the impending arrival... Best of luck to all of you. 8 )

Kit><<We're waiting...>> Such a wonderful oportunity for a vezzini impression, all wasted... ; )

CTheorist><<You gotta be careful nowadays, you never know when someone might be following you...>> That's why they made claymore mines, ma'am... ; )
******DOES IT COUNT AS SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE STORY?****
Kathy><<I *LOVED* Hudson's line to Goliath about "newlyweds"! Very subtle. But I agree with the continuing slippage into human nomenclature. Especially among the older gargoyles.>> They've been immersed in human culture since '96. Sooner or later, they're bound to start sounding like their neibhors...
*******END SPOILERS(?)*******

SJ><<The comment room seems almost.....sane (BLECCH!!!)>> Poor baby. The HT war wasn't enough for you? <<Oh, and if anyone was to ever write a book about you, it would have to be titled "The Jerk"! ;)>> I see you've been initiated into the sacred order of Jerkdom, eh? I can't start the day without my morning "JERKFACE!!!"...

Dreamie><<Oh right... Valentine.... uh... pudding anyone? >:)>> o.O ...Pudding?

Gside><<Ah, to sleep twelve hours. So nice.>> Isn't it? I have no idea how I'm going to survive at college on six hours a night. <<but I was referring to a lesser degree of drunk people.>> You mean people with a lesser degree of drunk? <<Spoilsports.>> It's what we do, laddie... Besides, I had to protect Jun from their evil influence. <<Haven't a clue, but I think that's part of the point.>> I figured it was some sort of demented family video... And Warps said that the singing was in Swedish. Which is odd, because the people look rather middle-eastish to me...

Imzadi><<But if you have other stuff I'd love to see it.>> Keep pestering her until she coughs up the "Crouching Wolf/Hidden Dagger" pic. <<Also, "s" and "t" are very close to "d" on the keyboard...>> I don't buy it. When someone types "breast" rather than "bread", there's no way it's an innocent typo...

Lynati><<The problem, people, is not kids seeing bad stuff; it is kids seeing bad stuff and realizing what they can get away with by blaming their actions on it.>> So, if it were up to you, wouldja take away the guns? ; )

Jannie><<They are a few bricks short of a full load, their elevator doesn't go all the way up to the top, a couple of ants short of a picnic, a few fries short of a Happy Meal...>> A few rounds short of a full clip, a couple guns shy of a battery, A couple ticks short of a five-second fuze, a couple shells short of a barrage... <<We finally figured out that it was the metal wires that they put my rib cage back together with!>> o.O ...ummmm, when exactly did they take it APART? I remember you mentioning something about heart problems, but... *shudders*

*checks the clock*

Sheesh, it's getting late. I spent most of the afternoon talking to Lain and trying to pinpoint my arrival in the CR; unfortunately, it looks like the week I arrived was permanently lost. Pity, that...
And now, I'm off to do something pointless and quite possibly violent. See y'all around.

*stumbles out to Green Day's "Minority"*
Gunjack "Distinctly Unprintable" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 07:26:11 PM
IP: 216-146-184-219.bwn.net

Hello all. Time for a real post. First, thanks for all the congrats on Cat’s and my engagement. For those of you wanting to know the history… ask Cat. :) I’ve recounted it more in the last few weeks than I care to think about. Suffice it to say we have set the day to be June 16th. So by the time you see us at the gathering she will be Cat Lein. ;)
That’s all I want to say about myself today. On to comments and replies:

Revel>> my current string of Gargs fanfic I started outlining about four years ago. I feel that letting stories sit in the subconscious for long periods of time helps the final outcome. Though I didn’t much like waiting years before starting a project. Anyway, good luck with the story.

Kaioto “the Infallible One”>> :) your quotes reminded me of what some nameless lurker said in the S8 chat room the other day. “Sleep is just an extreme case of caffeine deficiency.”

Conspiracy Theorist>> I used to wear a Trench coat whenever possible, and while some may classify me as a phycopath (without the trench coat) I was more commonly mistaken as a government official or FBI agent.

Josh>> My oppinion about the whole driving issue, professional race car drivers are predominantly male for the same reason most sports are predominantly male. It’s a guy thing. Guys love cars largely because they are taught to. In most every family I know the husband drives the family around. It’s practically a cultural thing. I can see your side of the coin though, believe me. Every time I have been hit by a car it has been by female drivers (once in my car and twice on my bike, I don’t recommend getting hit by a car while on a mountain bike, I was lucky to come away uninjured). There are a lot of good female drivers, they just don’t get noticed because they never get into accidents.

Doug>> $thanks for taking over my RP characters. I liked what you did and will enjoy working with it.$

Kit>> <Question: If certains vehicles can't really do certain amazing feats (like towing a semi), why do they imply it in TV commercials? :( > because they like to trick people into buying their vehicle while covering their tracks with legal loopholes when someone cries foul play. The Archmage’s comment comes to mind “The law that cannot be broken can surely be bent.”

Pistoff>> Glad to see you haven’t changed any. I’d be worried if you had. Good to have you back.

Warpmind>> <Another One Bites The Dust> Oh and what lovely dust she is. ;)

Jannie>> <Bullying> Not a pretty subject. Coping does need to be taught. But the bottom line is who’s going to teach it and to whom? Despite their apparent lack of gray matter, Bullies are smart enough to find a way past the defenses and walls a child puts up, if you teach them what their prey is doing they will beat it. Parents don’t do a very good job teaching it either. I know, I was the bullied. The little redheaded weakling. My hair was a target painted for all the bullies to see. I tried going to my parents, I tried the school counselors. I think the biggest mistake I made was following their advice. After that I decided that they didn’t know how it felt, probably had never experienced it, and didn’t really know how to deal with it, so they talk to me in a soft, soothing voice and tell me that really I’m better than they are, they know that, so that’s why they bully me. Whatever. It got so bad that I probably would have tried to kill them if I hadn’t found a way to cope. But the cure was almost as deadly. I lost a lost of years holed up in my own little world trying to shut down reality. I wouldn’t teach that to kids. Maybe coping isn’t what needs to be taught. But everything else I think of would end up just as bad if not worse.
Ack, sorry didn’t mean to turn this into a rant. Touched a raw nerve I guess. I certainly have a high respect for teachers and your ability to cope with us wayward kids.

Okay I think that about covers that. Time for an RP.

*****WARNING, RP IN PROGRESS*****
Gar waited calmly while Thailog left, ignoring Thicarrn, who was yelling and cursing at him. Lithanne stood there with a blank look on her face, a bloody dagger in her hand. Mecord hung limp from his chains on the wall. It was a grim sight filled with passion, indifference, and the loss of friend and family. This was the best day Dahak had had since Gar usurped his position.
“Zale, Dahak,” Gar yelled over Thicarrn, “would you send this noisy elf on his way? I have a mess to clean up.”
Dahak cast a spell of silence over the elf. He couldn’t resist taunting, “Say goodbye to your sister. I’m sure we’ll all have fun with her around.”
Thicarrn’s face twisted with rage and struggled to free himself from his bonds. Zale put a stop to his struggling with a swift crack over the head.
“Hey, I was having some fun here!” Dahak protested.
“He’s less trouble this way.”
Gar rolled his eyes as the two argued about it while they dragged Thicarrn down the hall.
“Idiots. To think they actually fell for your stupid story. Nice play though old friend. Got Thailog off my back. Though I don’t think he was entirely convinced by your story. What does it matter to him? You’re dead. Oh that’s right. There’s the whole immortality thing. WAKE UP!”
Mecord stirred. Gar struck him, leaving the elf to spit blood.
“Mystica? Really, could have thought a storyteller like you would have come up with a better name. Child of two worlds, MUD, programs- the only truth you told was the part about being both human and elf. But tell me, do you know who you really are?”
“I know who you think I am. David, the legendary wizard. The one who banished you.”
“Yes, only you sent me here. Ironic isn’t it? I terrorize Magia, my world and you send me here, to your world.”
“This is not my world Gar. I’m not David.”
“So you keep saying. But tell me, did you know that Lithanne here had a child? Yes, a daughter. Probably about two years old now. Isn’t that about how old Lloky was when you found her? Just after I killed her parents? Oh don’t act so confused. You were there. You couldn’t help her parents and you can’t help Lithanne. Just think of how traumatized her daughter would be if she were to die?”
“You’ll have the entire Thieves Guild after you.”
“And that was so effective the first time,” Gar backhanded Mec before grabbing his bloodstained colar, “I know you’re in there David. Come out now, or she DIES and I will seek out her daughter to BE MY SLAVE!”
“I’M NOT DAVID!”
“So be it,” Gar raised a hand and cast his spell.
*****TO BE CONTINUED!*****

Later all!
Mecord
Hoplessly, In Love
Thursday, March 15, 2001 07:13:56 PM
IP: proxy1-external.saltlk1.ut.home.com

Bronx>> I just sent the email... please tell me if it got there!!!
:D
thanks SOOOOOO much!!!!!!!
lain
Thursday, March 15, 2001 06:00:10 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

ARGH! This day SUCKS. Last night, I got sick with who-knows-what, giving me a killer headache and making it very difficult for me to study for my midterm. Fortunately, the midterm was completely different from the study guide, so if everyone studied the study guide (which I suspect they did), I'll be fine. On top of all of that, the weather sucks ass. If I were a gargoyle, I'd be all depressed all the time, never even being able to SEE the sun (I rarely go outside, I'm an engineer).

And now for some really scary news: "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" is actually the subject of an L.A. TImes article! Here's the link. http://www.latimes.com/business/cutting/features/lat_allbase010315.htm

Other news: Sony bought virtual gamestation (All your playstation are belong to Sony, or something), Apple bought Powerschool,

Icon Project: Okay, I have a serious problem that's gonna stall my progress on the icon project. I'm lacking quality artwork of several main characters, including the trio (they're pretty critical, don't you think?), the mutates, hell, even the Xanatoses. Most of my icons are coming from artwork done for fanfics. If anyone wants to recommend or draw something for these characters, please let me know. Otherwise the icon set will be filled with gargoyles you've probably never heard of! Argh.

Website: I'm just gonna replace my website with the current update of OS X icons. None of you want to see my site anyway, and if you do then you probably already have. Or you can just delete the filename at the end of the link for my homepage.

Kaioto: <<Stupid hockey puck>>: Amen. That was the single worst design flaw Apple ever made. In my opinion, it was worse than the 5300 laptop batteries that spontaneously burst into flames. Yes, that actually happened. <<Risks>>: Smart man. You sound like me 8-)

Jannie: Whoa. Note to self: never move to Texas. On the icons, I'll think about making them PC-compatible. The problem is that windows only supports 48x48 icons, and if I shrink my icons down to that size they will look crappy. Glad you like the quotes. They're stolen from the finest scripts in the world. 8-) I sort of agree with you on why women's insurance is lower, but I think its the whole oblivious vs. agressive thing. Men and women get into just as many accidents, but the ones caused by women are usually less deadly/damaging. Oh well.

Rich people: Jannie is right. Not to brag or anything, but I was born in a well-to-do home, and I happen to be evil and lazy. My parents, however, are not. They worked their asses off to get where they are. My mom often goes on long business trips away from the family and around the world, and she worked from being a secretary to being head of the entire SoCal division of her company. My dad also works very hard, and often has to put his own money into the business to keep it afloat. I don't plan on living off my folks, because that would be admitting that I need them (and I'm quite sure I do not). But don't bitch about rich people just because they're rich.

DPH: Sounds like your day is setting up to suck as much as mine.

Gun control: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. PEOPLE WITH GUNS!

FireStorm: <<Napster>>: Napster is being paid for by venture captialists. They're like gamblers, only stupider. <<OS X>>: It's not just that its a new OS, its that it doesn't even come out for 10 days! I hear Windows2000 is still missing some features, and its already out! Hopefully Apple will fix this stuff soon (like, in time for me to get a new powerbook). <<Gathering>>: You should definitely go to gathering alone this year (figure that whacked FS comes up behind Imzadi) ::WHACK:: OUCH! Hey, he said it first! Working on what?

Lain: Isn't that the parallax formula? God, its been years since I took Astro...

Gleeb: <<Napster>>: I'm not panicing. I don't even use napster. My roommate and I share a 43GB MP3 library, all of which we've encoded ourselves. Napster and its low-quality, slow-download crap can rot in hell for all I care.

Christine: I currently have about 10-12 icons, and there's a link on my name. I plan on submitting everything I have, barring some artist copping an attitude and saying I can't distribute their work for free. If the deadline is in may, I predict as many as 75-100 icons, considering the rate I make them at. See Jannie response about windows icons.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, March 15, 2001 05:58:14 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-153-148.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Lain> =) no problem, I forgot to add that yours should be coming soon... hehehe
Oh and also this is now my correct email.. sorry for the multiple posts!
Bronx - [BronxWyvern4@aol.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 05:44:16 PM
IP: aca27d29.ipt.aol.com

AAARRRGGGH!!!!

A LETTER FROM GB!!!!

I have had a few but from before he had a fixed address...
NOW I CAN WRITE BACK!!!!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you SOOOOO much for posting it!!!
(I wonder when MY letter with a return address will come)
:D

*waits by the door patiently with pen and return postage in hand*

:D
lain
Thursday, March 15, 2001 05:22:32 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

*delurks after a very long period of time, clutching a letter*
Hiya All! Guess what I got in the mail today? A letter from Green Baron!
*sees faces uplifted*
Yeah! Hes doing okay, but really wishes to hear from all of you, because he loves you all. Im going to overnight a letter to him tomorrow, so if you wish to send a quick message ASAP, email me =) Other wise, you may reach him here:
PVT Forsyth, Thomas
Bldg 6050 NW Rothwell St.
Alpha Battery 1/22d,1st. Platoon Commandos
Ft. Sill, OK 73503

Thats all for now!

Bronx - [BronxWyvern4@aol.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 05:07:08 PM
IP: aca27d29.ipt.aol.com

*delurks after a very long period of time, clutching a letter*
Hiya All! Guess what I got in the mail today? A letter from Green Baron!
*sees faces uplifted*
Yeah! Hes doing okay, but really wishes to hear from all of you, because he loves you all. Im going to overnight a letter to him tomorrow, so if you wish to send a quick message ASAP, email me =) Other wise, you may reach him here:
PVT Forsyth, Thomas
Bldg 6050 NW Rothwell St.
Alpha Battery 1/22d,1st. Platoon Commandos
Ft. Sill, OK 73503

Thats all for now!

Bronx - [BronxWyvern$@aol.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 05:06:57 PM
IP: aca27d29.ipt.aol.com

Re: testosterone> And, it so follows that high levels of testosterone statistically allies itself with getting injured for no good reason and becoming a candidate for a Darwin Award.

I guess I'll never understand the motivation behind doing something risky for no profit. I guess I'm too much of an investor at heart ... I want my risk to be rewarded proportionately if not disproportionately in favor of reward. I just don't find the "rush" of doing something unnecessarily dangerous / adventureous worth the effort or the risks.

Of course, that seems to follow a pattern in my life. I only gamble with stakes I can afford to lose, I always take care of my obligations before my luxuries, try to keep liquid around tax-time, etc. Maybe I just like the control it gives me over my life. Maybe I'm afraid of disappointments. I just enough the fruition of a well-laid plan or a carefully played gambit far more than more "adventureous" pursuits.

For me, adventure needs a reason, whether it be a crusade, a profitable venture, a quest, or exploration. Sure, I'd like to do all the fun, enjoyable things I can in life, but I generally am not squeemish hesitate to put them aside for more long-term plans. I like to live each moment of my life as if it were my last, not live each moment to Contribute to it being my last.

Either that or I'm just a greedy little life-economist. ^_^!

Hence, you only need imagine my opinion of Bungee Jumping ...
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 04:07:50 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Why is it that whenever I can't get in here for a few days I miss all the marshmallow-toasting over the open fires? Sheesh. My timing is cruddy! I was in the mood for s'mores ...

Imzadi > well, hopefully we won't let them down, all these new readers for AvMists! Please send me as many icons as you like and we'll find a way to make it work!

Warpmind > hey, I was proud of how well those Wile E. Coyote Super Genius rocket packs worked ... the problem was that I've never been able to keep my balance while on roller-skates! ; )

Aaron > yup, I confess ... the only way I was even able to drag myself through the first three Dark Tower books was by envisioning Bruce "Brisco County Jr." Campbell as Roland ... I did enjoy Wizards and Glass, though, mostly because it was fantasy and not his weird postapocalyptic lobstrosity thing. You found me out. Shame on me.

Kit > you too? Heck, I was even irked when that DT tie-in showed up in Insomnia! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 04:03:31 PM
IP: 12-173.075.popsite.net

Gleeb> *giggles* yeah, that too ;) I couldn't think of the word at the time.... sorry, Dow Bathroom cleaner fumes are scrubbing my brain cells away O.o

Warp> I've been forgetting to ask you about the visa to stay here in the states. I thought they had like a "visitor's" type visa... no? For like up to 6 weeks or 3 months, something like that.

Lain> argh! don't you just hate when that happens? It's hard to sometimes to ask for assistance. I hate doing that myself.
Jannie
Thursday, March 15, 2001 04:00:55 PM
IP: 247.houston-02rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

- On Female Race car drivers (In response to Jannie in particular) -
Actually, if you want to look at it from a scientific standpoint...
It's a proven fact that certain individuals produce higher amounts of testosterone than others. It is also a fact that those with higher levels of testosterone in their bodies tend to do more adventurous things, such as skydiving, white water rafting, and yes, race car driving.
And of course, it's also a fact that for the most part, men produce more testosterone than woman. That's probably your real answer right there.

-On driving in general-
I don't think woman are bad drivers. In fact, in my own personal experiance of all the people I've been in cars with, I could very well assume that men are horrible drivers and woman are excellent drivers, as that seems to generally be the case with me.
Of course, they really aren't. It goes by an individual basis.

-Continuing the discusssion on race car driving-
Actually, waaaay back when I was in grade school, I knew this kid who's parents were both professional race car driviers. I forgot their last names(the kid's first name was Chris), but his parents were fairly well known and came to the class once to talk about their profession.

- To Imazadi/Wilek (DUDES! Napster is DOWN!)-
Napster is like the AOL of music downloads. Don't panic, just DL music elsewhere. BTW, I never thought about where Napster get's their money from. Good question.

About the fleas- Didn't see any mention of them on that site, but it might be worth checking into elsewhere... that is, if either of us really cares that much. :)

That is all,
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 03:22:28 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

*drags self in room looking a wee bit haggard*

allright... I now am officially a moron..
so I goes to my classes.. and though I've only had 4 hours of sleep I feel fine and all is well. Take notes.. blah blah.. don't wanna show my face in Astronomy cos while my essay is ALMOST finished it is still overdue.. but I go anyways.
so then I am in my lab.. and the lab instructor is SNAPPY and MEAN and there is this question in the lab (a math one) with a nice cute simple formula that I have to stick numbers in and calculate. Fine and good.. except I don't know where the numbers go.. I search through the textbook for half an hour and the lab manual and it doesn't say, there is noone sat around me because they all left as soon as they signed the attendance sheet, and the lab instructor is glaring at me from across the rome because they probably see I am only PRETENDING to know what I am doing...
so I am a moron.
easily intimidated? yes..
shy? you might not think so but I am HORRIBLY shy..
weak and wimpy? most definately..
low self esteem? you bet..

I wish I actually KNEW people in that class.. but nooooooo
and yes, I know it's my own damned fault, I should have bitten the bullet and just ASKED someone but I didn't and I am a moron and ARGH!!
so I just fled the lab room, trying not to cry from the shame and I managed to make it back to my dorm room before my eyes leaked..

I think I am going to go get something friendly to eat and maybe go for a nice walk and calm down and then listen to the guy across the hall who is singing the guitar and singing and then have a look at this lab later and try to decipher what (delta)h/l means when it's at home..
lain
Thursday, March 15, 2001 02:37:05 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

DUDES! Napster is DOWN!

Question about Napster: They have over 80 servers, coders galore and one helluva legal team.
Just how are they paying for this? There appears to be no form of advertising. Are people just paying them for this?

I am here listening to Techno and Russian naval themes, and they are NOT the same song!
You know the worst thing about the song "Bad Touch" by the Bloodhound Gang (Discovery Channel song) is?
THE LYRICS! I love the beat but hate the words.
Why are the best MP3 remixs from old Nintendo/Game Boy games? Tetris, Zelda, Mario Bros, Metroid, Castlevania...
Zero Wing <G>

From CNN.com: <Both missions will use converted intercontinental ballistic missiles launched from a Russian nuclear submarine in the Barents Sea>
Does anyone else see a problem with this?

I am guessing adult.gargoyles-fans.org had a brain fart.

Reason why my cheast hurt: Heart Arythmia. Sucks.

Warpmind: <But you know the speed with which the beureaucratic machine works...>
Eek. My symphathys. Here to you eventually getting here!
<Maybe the birth clinic, then?>
Um... dare I tell you?
Fertility clinics.
And DEFINATELY abortion clinics.

Caliope: <and once you know what happens at the end, you kindda get mad at the series for a while ^_^>
Actually, the ending is far better than I had hoped.

*RANMA SPOILERS!*

Hell, I was afraid that the wedding WOULD have happened!
Personally, but this is just me, I think Ranma should have hooked up with Ukyo and Akane should have hooked up with Ryoga.
Ranma likes Ukyo. Ukyo like Ranma. Akane likes Ryoga. Ryoga likes Akane. Everyone is happy!

*END SPOILERS!*

The poster formerly known as Lady Corax who was formerly the poster known as Ravyn: <do I return to the old "Ravyn" name, or keep Lady Corax>
Hmm... both suit you, but I think most in here would prefer to see RAvyn back in here.

Imzadi: <Seems my shiny USB external hard drive isn't recognized in OS X because the drivers on don't work>
Welcome to a new operating system!
<Los Angeles, where the weather is hot and the chicks are hotter>
Hmm... Maybe I should go to the gathering alone this year...
::WHACK!::
OW! They hurt! :)

Gleeb: <Hey, don't tell *me* that info is wrong, tell that to the CIA's public webpage on Antartic research stations>
Ah, excuses, excuses ;)
<Though I'm by no means an expert on the subject, I have no doubts about the accuracy of their info.>
The flea sized thing was something I heard years ago.

SJ: <(Buffy) Episode 22>
::WICKED smile:: OHhhohh! I LIKE! (The Buffy/Spike part. Not the Faith part)

Gside: <So far, it doesn't seem too bad. And I think after that marital arts thing (note the placement of the i), it would be difficult to shock me.>
Come to me, my pretty and evil creativity demon children. Let us go forth and write!
<Well, he does seem to keep weights varied>
True. Very true. But he apparently likes big breasts.
<True, but I was referring to another disturbing trend, more often found in doujinshi>
I know. :)
<True, but each episode is nicely divided in rars to make it slightly nicer on dial up people>
But still, for a person on 56K, a single episode is about a 12 hour download.
Hey, do you have the follwing MP3's? I couldn't find them on Napster a few weeks ago: (They are all from the 49 songs from Empire Records... only 15 on the soundtrack, though (SUCKS!))
"Real" by Real
"Candy" by full tilt gonzo
"Can't stop losing myself" by Dirt Clods
"Dark and brooding" by Noah Stone
"I don't know why" by sacrilicous
"Hard Light" by Peg Boy
"surround you" by billy white trio
"say no more (mon amore)" by Maxwell Caullfield
"Infinity" by Mouth music
"Money (thats what I want)" by Flying lizards
"She Walks" by poster children
These are probally not the songs you like, but just asking anyway.

Pistoff: <Good tactic, though I guess that means your computer has some screws loose>
THAT... and the fact that I have taken apart/made more computers in the past 10 years than most people see in their lifetime.
<Which meant I kept repeating the cycle over and over and over until I finally got the stupid thing in>
Which also explains why I usually don't bother with screws in my computer.
<That could've been a pay-per-view event!>
THE most re-played video EVER!
When I was back in video class, we kept re-watching Geraldo getting his nose broken in a riot. FUN!

Comments about Doug: ::FS says nothing, just sits back in his comfy leather chair, steeples his fingers, and laughs evily::

Gunjack: Are you aware of any material that truly protects against a EMP? (REAL materials)

Robby: <I suppose its time to start you on a couple of the better fanfics...>
NOOOOOO! Not more fanfic! :)

Imazadi/Wilek: Yes, I am working on it!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 01:47:55 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

*Warpmind enters, looking grumpy.*
Howdy, gang.

Conspiracy Theorist: You claim that the only reliable machine you ever had was a 486 you got five years ago? Heh, odd, that... the only machine I've ever OWNED is a 486 I've had for well over 7 years now... and counting. }:) Fear the DOS machines... };) By the way, I see your comments on those past presidents... whacha got on Raygun? I mean, Reagan? };)

Coyote: "A Wind Called Amnesia"? There's a fart joke there, but... };)

Gside: For starters, I kinda doubt Barnacle Bill's got a Norwegian division... As for the bat, well, it *could* theoretically become blunter - after all, they're mostly made of wood, right? And wood has a tendency to chip with use, right? ;) And where the rest is concerned... dude, you need help. ;)

Lain: If Julia's bothering you, set out a bowl of milk for her. };)

Spike: Give it up, dear - your fanfics say it all. ;) *Points to the eggs that were recovered from the subterranean Quarryman base in Spike's fics.*

Well, that's about it. Later, guys. *Zips off to IM happiness.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:14:49 PM
IP: mp-217-239-220.daxnet.no

1st, I'm sleepy so the typo police and logic police should just leave the area or risk running out of tickets.

BFTS RPers - I am going to send a special message out pretty soon (within a couple of hours).

My abscence yesterday can be attributed to a lack of time.

Things to do for me (not necessarily in order of importance):
1)schedule a visit to a back specialist
2)do something about this paranoia inside of me
3)do paperwork for taxes
4)buy a new PC
5)participate and contribute in TGS staff
6)make a casserole for potluck at work TODAY
7)visit a barbershop (hair is taking too long to comb)

**DEFENSE OF WRITING BY COMMITTEE**
No bribes were necessary to get me to write this. Writing by committee can POTENTIALLY be better than writing by one-self. Multiple points of view make this possible. I can not see every point of view, but with colloboration, I can see more points of view, and figure out the best possible solution. Anybody else feel free to expand on this.
**END DEFENSE OF WRITING BY COMMITTEE**

Wonderwoman costume - I really think it is more about conformity to certain standards of the time than about costume material.

Damn, my logic co-processors require lots of rest before working fully. So do my math co-processors. Wait a minute, my automatic think-ahead-coproccessor seems to be not working. My cloaking device is engaging . .
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:34:23 AM
IP: max1-8.cwy.cei.net

Josh> weather - ;p~~ We had a very bad storm here in the Houston area yesterday. Marble sized hail, lightening, strong winds, tornadoes in the area... not a pleasant afternoon. O.o What made it worse was that the power went out at 2:45 pm and didn't return until during the middle of the night. True to Texas weather, though.. it's suppose to be sunny and in the mid 70's today =) There's a saying here, "if you don't like the weather, just wait an hour or so and it will change" *L*
Sitting in doggy poop... ewww! glad you were able to make it back to change without further embarassment... I assume you were down wind from everyone else? *chuckles*

I love the icons! I hope that you can make them PC compatible soon! =)

I love your quotes, too!

Women professional drivers - personally I think the reason for the lack of this is because it requires a LOT of stamina and a certain level of risk taking to be a professional driver. Women are just not built to be as strong physically as a man. True, some women are, but for the most part, they are not. Also, women are by nature, not big risk takers - not to the same degree as men seem to be. I think that comes from being the "mother". (speaking in general terms) Females have a maternal instinct and that keeps them from being *too* much of a risk taker. I can't speak for males, but I'm pretty sure they have a paternal instinct - which would include being a provider and caretaker of his family. Even in cave days - the male went out to slay the mammoths to provide for his family while the female stayed in the cave home to care for the children.
Being less of a risk taker also is the reason why females have a lower insurance rate than males.
This is not to say that females have a lower or less skill ability, but the instincts are not there to be a successful race car driver (with the exception of those few who are)

Aaron> yeeeessss, I heard the "other" recount.. the one that was from the ever-so-liberal newspaper ;) I have a feeling that we'll all be hearing different recount numbers for quite some time... *L* but, Bush is STILL the president ;D

Rich people - you know, I don't think it's right to automatically assume that because people have more money than you do, they are evil or lazy. Most people that I know that gives the appearance of being rich are either robbing Peter to pay Paul - just like everyone else, just at a higher level than others, or they have worked their arses off to reach this economic level. They've gone thru years of college, they've worked in a corporation and worked their way to the level of economic comfort, with careful spending and investments along the way. With the exception of a FEW families weathly enough to just inherit it from generation to generation, most people work hard for what they have. Property values... why is it suppose to be acceptable for them to accept without complaint if they are spending an unreasonable amount for the property taxes, just because they make more money? (taxes are based on the value)

Kit> very well said, indeed :)

The real estate agent will be here this evening to give me a market analysis for selling my home. I hope that I'm pleasantly suprised and pleased with what he has to say =)

*hands out Twinkies to everyone* bon apetite!


Jannie
Thursday, March 15, 2001 09:59:31 AM
IP: 191.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Josh> Stupid hockey puck ...
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 09:21:25 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Warpmind>> Omaha? *blinks and carefully shoves her box of Reed & Waller masterpieces back in the closet*


Leva finally has the Reunion 2 Art Contest up and running!

[link]http://www.firefox.org/reunion/art.html[/link]

We'll be fixing the links (like the one to the FFC for the adult contest) and adding graphics as we go along. (And if anyone would like to donate some graphics for headers, we'd really appreciate it!) Like last year, it's not necessary to do art especially for the Reunion -- we'd love to see anything you'd like to post!

Hope to see your entries soon!
Spike
Thursday, March 15, 2001 09:09:54 AM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-135.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Josh> apology accepted
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, March 15, 2001 09:05:02 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-108.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Today was a beautiful day. The sun was shining and the grass was green, and there was NO SNOW SO SUCK IT SOUTH PARK! Anyway, people were out today in full force and little clothing, and thankfully no protesters were blocking my way like they were yesterday. I met some new people (including a cute senior chick...ooh Josh with the older women...scandalous!) and spent a lot of time on campus just relaxing in the sun. Everything was going great....until I plopped by bony butt onto the grass...and right into a pile of dog poop. ARGH! Thank god I managed to make it back to my apartment and change, covering it up with my sweatshirt to avoid embarassment on the way there. Boy did that suck.

In other news...there wasn't enough stuff for me to post twice today, which I normally like to do. Anyway, I made a bunch more gargoyles icons. There's a link on my name. It's a big picture, so it may take a minute to download. You guys should start recognizing the artwork that I'm using, as I'm hitting the TGS and Avmist archives looking for good artwork. If you see your picture and want me to not distrubte it, let me know.

Gunjack: Holding me down and beating me will only serve to validate my point.

James: I'm not flaming you. I'm just pointing out that your comment wasn't valid. If I wanted to flame you I'd say something like "you're a moron." I don't think that you're a moron, I just think that what you said made no sense. I'm not insulting you at all - I hope. If I did, sorry that wasn't my intention.

Kaioto: umm...I'll IM you on that confucious thing. But boxing anything up and sending it to Abu-Dabi is not the message of Machiavelli, but of Garfield. Long live the orange cat! Do you have a stupid hockey-puck mac mouse or a cool "no-button" optical pro mouse? Cuz the later is definitely not stupid, it rules. Even non-techies drool over it (I've watched this phenomenon first-hand...I refer to it as "desire for technolust"). Remember, machines aren't stupid, users are 8-)

Conspiracy Theorist: Damn that's a lot of machines. I wish I could go through 10-12 machines in 2 years...by now I'd have a cracked out G4 something-or-other

Coyote: Okay, I STAND CORRECTED! (log that, I never admit that I am wrong). However, that still proves my point. Out of thousands of professional drivers (not just racers, but limos, taxis, hell even pilots), you've named 6 famous women (I'm sorry, Ravyn does not count as a professional driver just because she has a drag license, unless she drives for a living, not just in contests). This just illustrates how few women there are in professions involving vehicle control. Like I said, I was generalizing when I said women were bad drivers. They're not all bad. They couldn't ALL be bad drivers. Its just not plausible for an entire gender to suck at anything. Even if they were, I haven't been in enough cars driven by women to say "all are bad drivers" and mean it. I just tell it like I see it.

Doug: Paradise City...no kidding.

Gside: <<Which is why I like being an engineer. There is a right answer>>: And since your an engineer, you're the one providing it. I know, I'm an engineer too. 8-) <<That sounds moderately wrong>>: That was a terrible pun. <<PSL shall never die>>: um...no comment. Again.

I'm free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [<---New Gargoyles Icons!]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, March 15, 2001 03:50:27 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-153-148.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

oh julia...
yer so goshdarned WIERD...
but I still love you.. even if you scratch at my door at 2am and make wierd feline noises..
hmph..
AND GO TO BED IT'S 4AM!!!
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North... thawing..
Thursday, March 15, 2001 03:28:56 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

*peers around the corner to make sure the area is safe* just coming in to say hello.....
*someone sees me...'ah'...runs away...*
juliaexia - [iamalizard2000@yahoo.ca]
Thursday, March 15, 2001 02:39:22 AM
IP: dynrez217-32-81.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Firestorm- Yup, that was the last Ranma story. Takehashi ended the series in such a way you could just imagine the characters always carrying on the way they always had, which was the way to go with that particular cast I think. (SOmething similar was done with the end of Slayers, incidentally...) Of course, now that you've gone through the ACTUAL series, I suppose its time to start you on a couple of the better fanfics...

http://www.akane.org/heartsofice
is a really great really epic "ending" to the series. Its not QUIIIITE done yet, but it gets far enough you can basically guess the last chapter. Thats one made me laugh and cry.

http://www.dkcomm.net/dnr
Ranma in college... Which basically serves as the Rama equivilent of TGS. A few fans got together and by comitee kept the series going. Did a rather nice job too, except for one or two rather odd stories in the Ukyo spinoff, also a good read.
Robby
Thursday, March 15, 2001 02:29:15 AM
IP: ac95388d.ipt.aol.com

Kitainia> <<On emulation, well, I tried it a while back, but unfortunately I never really found much time to play
the games I downloaded, so I gave it up>>: I don't really think that's quite the point of emulation. It's more like "Metroid, I remember that, great game, hey I've got an emulator and can get the rom in under a minute, I think I'll fire it up and see how long it takes me to kill Kraid."

Gunjack> <<Gunjack "Oddly Lovable" Valentine>>: I'll second the Odd part. So, ever going to make a full post again?

Imzadi> <<too filled with my own perverse...um, nevermind>>: ...Sexual Lust? PSL shall never die.

Warpmind> <<And there ain't a single fast-food store in the whole 1500-isle area!>>: The best burgers are not from fast food places. They actually stem from a great place in Rumson called Barnicle Bill's. Oh so good. Daniel Johnson, if you haven't been there, I heartily reccommend it. But I digress, I suggest you find a place carped with peanut shells who needs to call Bubba every time someone orders a burger.
<<Can I painfully dismember you with a very blunt baseball bat now?>>: I won't object, but how can a baseball bat get mubh blunter? And a metal fencepost might be more appropriate at the moment.
<<it was an EVIL groin, not a big groin. Difference>>: I wouldn't say there's that much of a difference. And aren't the best evil groins unusually big?
<<my family name is a horrid thing>>: Only if you know the language. If you ever do make it here, you could probably bluff everyone into believeing that it actually means something cool. Perhaps "Blast trigger".

Toku Kai> <<The harder you scrub your rug>>: That sounds moderately wrong.
<<stupid Mac mouse>>: What'd I say.

Revel> <<it's the comments that really got me steamed>>: Which is why I like being an engineer. There is a right answer.

Beth> <<anyone know of a good date anime to watch?>>: Personally, I would suggest staying away from the overtly bishonen. But that's just based on general preference, not on anything date related.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, March 15, 2001 01:00:23 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

*Enters looking only slightly irked*

I had a full post planned and then DC killed my connection. Anyone wants to retaliate in my name, feel free to do so. I'm going to bed, and maybe try again tomorrow (with AvMist spoilers too). :)

I can't be too pissed though, though I did give it a good effort. This weekend (Saturday to be exact) my cousin, Erin, is getting married, and I'm really excited for her. I'm flying down to Louisiana on Friday for the celebration. I know none of you know her, but little things like that never stopped me before. ;) Take care everyone,


---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hotmail.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:25:35 AM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

Imzadi: <sings> "Take me down to the Paradise City, where the grass is green and the girls are pretty! Oh, won't you please take me home!! Yeah yeah!" :)
Doug
Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:00:48 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.68.dlls.grid.net

Winterwolf: I'm already Aunt Kit. Been so since my brother Ray and his wife Anne had their little Julia last year. :) This birth I feel closer to though because I've helped Stephanie go through it so much. <grin>

SOROW: It's no inconvienence, really!! At least Doug doesn't think it is. And he wants to meet you too. <sigh> But if you don't think you can set anything up, well, that's fine too I guess. :( We'll plan on August then. I will have graduated from UT by then (I plan to get out in May) and we'll have moved out of town to our house, but I'm sure we can find some good reason to come back and see you. We are keeping a PO Box on campus after all. :) So I guess it's decided then, you are coming to college here? <hate letters> Oh yes, I too have enjoyed writing those. But for some reason I've always ended up never mailing any of them, even the good ones. :P

SJ: Oh, I'm not worried about Doug meeting SOROW without me. Austin is full of beautiful young girls he sees every day, and he's able to remain faithful to me even with all of them around. <laughs> There should be no problem with SOROW, though I of course hope they'll at least become very good friends. :)

Mecord: <snotty voice> We're waiting... <grin>
Kit
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:32:16 PM
IP: pool-63.52.171.68.dlls.grid.net

Hello, I was going to post today (and yesterday too for that matter) but it seems that spring break lethargy has set in and I'm being slow to the punch here. I will have a proper post tomorow, I promise!

For now, good night.
Mecord
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:22:41 PM
IP: proxy1-external.saltlk1.ut.home.com

(fixes the mistyped link
Anonymous
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:06:59 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-210.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Beth H> I like Sailor Moon R dubbed though some would say subtitled is better. I have seen both versions
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Watcher of the immortal known as Macbeth
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:05:52 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-210.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Say... is the Christmas 1999 Magna REALLY the last Ranma 1/2 one?

I actually think it was a good ending. No real ending.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 09:31:21 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Coyote: <<facelift courtesy of Lady Mystic. :)>> *smiles* Thanks for the credit. Sounds like you approve of my work. *HUGS*

XenaTrek: Enjoyed the IM chat. :)

EVERYONE: Check out my link. Help is always appreciated. Advertise! Give us your support! :)

*goes back to lurking*
Lady Mystic - [<!-- Gathering Motor City 2004 bid !!!]
Dearborn, MI
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 09:23:45 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Yes, I'm still alive. Busy, but alive. I'll try to say something pretentious tomorrow. I mean PORTENTOUS. Yeah, that's it! :P
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 08:56:02 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-70-193.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

AAGH! I'll remember everything at once one of these days ... sorry for the double post.

Beth H: Try "A Wind Named Amnesia." I know *I* liked it.
Coyote again
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 08:50:25 PM
IP: 216.28.101.30

Oops, forgot a couple things ...

Firstly, to that list of women who race, add:
Patty Moise (regular on the NASCAR Busch Grand National series)

Second, I forgot to mention that GMC2004's site got a facelift. Check it out! (facelift courtesy of Lady Mystic. :)
Coyote the Bando - [<-- CHECK OUT THE SITE!!]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 08:49:16 PM
IP: 216.28.101.30

*enters*

This is so cool!!! Two students from our sister school in Japan have come over for a visit! We spent the day after school downtown and our Japanese friends got to buy stuff and we hung out. :)

Yippee Skippy!!! I asked the guy I like out, and he said yes!!! We're going to watch anime next weekend. :) :) :) :)BTW, anyone know of a good date anime to watch?
Beth H.
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 07:50:00 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

**enters carrying a bookbag**

I feel like I'm in college all over again ... today I started the weekly classes to prepare to take the ASE Parts Specialist exam. I think I'm the most comfortable person *in* the class. And hey, it's even got homework *and* textbooks! **holds up a green Chilton's book** See? **grins** I know it sounds silly, but I actually feel confident for once. :)

XenaTrek: Well, you've certainly got the experiences to be an effective counselor, what with all you've been through, including what you've posted. By my estimation, it made you into one of the more strong-willed women that I know anywhere. It does ya credit.
As far as gun control goes ... I know one of the better quotes about this is "Guns don't kill people: people kill people." (Followed in a close second by "My gun has killed less people than Teddy Kennedy's car," but I digress.) It's not the weapon's fault that the carrier of the weapon is so screwed up, violent, etc. Ergo, it's up to people themselves to control what people do with guns.

Josh: Okaaay ... I think I can name six women who will dispute your comment about professional drivers all being male:
Shirley Muldowney (the "Queen of Drag Racing")
Shawna Robinson (NASCAR driver, scheduled to make 4 Winston Cup starts this year)
Janet Guthrie (first woman to drive in the Indy 500)
Lyn St. James (second woman to drive in the Indy 500)
Sara Fisher (third woman to drive in the Indy 500, third-place finisher in IRL Indy Lights points in 2000, with St. James made 2000 the first year *two* women drove in the Indy 500)
and Ravyn (proud holder of an NHRA drag racing license, who just so happened to place second in her *first* race weekend).

All right ... that's all I see that I wanna reply to ...

**skips out to do some studying, which he's waaaaaaaaay too excited about doing**
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 06:59:43 PM
IP: 216.28.101.30

<----Unfortunately I'm not smiling as bright as my old buddy Zed here.

I'm curious, you would think that if an instructor takes the time to put a whole class day aside to critique the class's work you would think that she would AT LEAST be listening to what we have to say. I mean if she did not want to hear what our concept and ideas were why bother right? That's what I thought too. Except I get my project one back and the grade says 16/20. Not bad, I can live with that, but it's the comments that really got me steamed. She said that no fiure within the picture was dominant, no visual beginning, ending, or direction.
I know you can't see it but just picture this, a 10X16 horizontal image backgroud blue and white fire with nine figures leading your eyes around the center couple and even text that pratically screams clock-wise direction. How could she say there was no central character, the two in the middle were the only full body shots and had no transparency. @#$%!

Sorry, but that urked me, big time.
Now on the happier side of things I finally have begun writing the first chapter to the Dragon Eye series that I thought of over three years ago. It gargoyles fanfiction which is the only reason I'm saying this out loud. My projects I hope to sell some day I guard viciously. Wish me luck on actually posting it before the school year is out.
Well let's see, I've ranted, I'm self advertised, yep 'm done fore the day.
Later


Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 05:09:25 PM
IP: acb7c580.ipt.aol.com

Well one crazy day yesterday but that’s behind me. My easygoing way has prevailed and I’m back to coasting along with little to do while being held in high regard by most. Life is so good. ^_^ How’s everyone here?

Dark Ages> Big thanks to Kyryn on informing us in the CR that DA is not finished and more is on the way. I’d just like to say (though it’s probably already apparent) that I like Dark Ages and look forward to having new DA stories to read.

Stephen R. Sobotka> <Dark Ages> Fortunately it was just a scare and not the case. <TGS> I look forward to any tales that you happen to spin for Dark Ages in the future. ;)

**Mini TGS Spoilers**

On Kirstie and others learning Goliath and Elisa are in love there are two points to consider. First there is the initial knee jerk reaction. At first this love might seem like bestiality or a similar unnatural connection between the two. Then there may have also been some level of peer pressure to go with the crowd majority. Either way it will be key to see how different characters feel in time.

**End Mini Spoilers**

Mecord> Happy to have you back! Congratulations on getting engaged! ^_^

Kit> <taxes> I feel your pain. This year I have to give. Plus I didn’t get to experience and tax cutting benefits. While the new job has got it right the old job messed up. I should have known better than to expect FOX to treat a wolf right! ;D <Spring break> Good to hear you are having a good time! <baby coming soon> So this means you’ll soon be Aunt Kit right?

Niamhgold> Woo! ^_^ Niamhgold sighting! I’ll be on the lookout for your post!

SOROW> I sent you a special little something to cheer you up. ;)

Well the time has come for me to just scamper off! Bye!

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 03:34:41 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Kit> I'm sorry for my silence, but I've been having fits of rage against my ex. Don't believe me? I couldn't sleep last night so I wrote hate letters until one in the morning. It felt good :) Anyway, I know the trip was late notice and I don't want to inconvenience Doug or you. I'll tell you what, we'll plan to get together in August when I move into my dorm (if UT's where I'm going). And it'll be a great way to trick you into helping me move in ;P j/k We'll plan it and I can't wait to see you both! Have fun in Houston.
SOROW
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 02:46:15 PM
IP: a010-0282.dll2.splitrock.net

ick ... double post ... stupid Mac mouse ...
kai
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 01:27:01 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

SJ> You dare speak such blaspheme in the presence of I, the Infallible One!? Still your tongue or I'll squish-squash you good and put you in my stew pot! Cook you up yum-good. mmmm tastes like binary ... ::drools::

::brandishes his troll-club menacingly:: grrrrrrrr! ^_^

On the strench thing ... ::reaches deep into the Bucket of 1001 quotes people really didn't say::

Confucious says: The harder you scrub your rug, the more likely the next day will begin with one of your house-guest's pet's soiling it. Such is the nature of your rug.

The Geomancer says: Rearrange all the furniture in your house into knotted pattens. Your house-guest's pet will suffer from chronic constipation as long as they are within your walls.

Machiavelli's says: After you've cleaned your rug, sneak out at night and capture your house-guest's pet. Box it up and send it to Abu-Daubi. The next morning, blame it on your house-guest's mother-in-law and offer them plenty of encouragement to definiantly retrieve their beloved pet from afar as soon as possible. When they leave, warn their mother-in-law that they are out to get her. This will keep your guest too busy to visit you with his or her pet anymore.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 01:26:31 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

SJ> You dare speak such blaspheme in the presence of I, the Infallible One!? Still your tongue or I'll squish-squash you good and put you in my stew pot! Cook you up yum-good. mmmm tastes like binary ... ::drools::

::brandishes his troll-club menacingly:: grrrrrrrr! ^_^

On the strench thing ... ::reaches deep into the Bucket of 1001 quotes people really didn't say::

Confucious says: The harder you scrub your rug, the more likely the next day will begin with one of your house-guest's pet's soiling it. Such is the nature of your rug.

The Geomancer says: Rearrange all the furniture in your house into knotted pattens. Your house-guest's pet will suffer from chronic constipation as long as they are within your walls.

Machiavelli's says: After you've cleaned your rug, sneak out at night and capture your house-guest's pet. Box it up and send it to Abu-Daubi. The next morning, blame it on your house-guest's mother-in-law and offer them plenty of encouragement to definiantly retrieve their beloved pet from afar as soon as possible. When they leave, warn their mother-in-law that they are out to get her. This will keep your guest too busy to visit you with his or her pet anymore.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 01:26:28 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Kit> details smetails but thanks (bows) I appreciate your comment
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 10:39:41 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

James: You need to read the episode's last scene again. Darius clearly said it wasn't Balinos in the crates. Something else equally horrific, but not Balinos.
Kit
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 10:30:11 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.234.dlls.grid.net

Kishanta> Thanks for agreeing with me about Macbeth **TGS SPOILER** In the boxes of Darius is the Madman who killed Avalach. It said so at the very very end **END SPOILER** Josh> don't flame war me man
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 09:09:22 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-41.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

*Quietly slips in through a back door, wearing a trench coat and hat, carefully takes a seat, watching the doors*

You gotta be careful nowadays, you never know when someone might be following you...

Trench Coats><I _love_ those things, the traditional styled ones. They look so cool, I just wish that all those gang members and nuts wouldn't wear them, because now everyone I meet seems to think that anyone that does wear them is a psychopath.

TGS><I can't really comment on it, considering that I'm _majorly_ behind in reading it. Though I'd have to say that the best ep I've read was the Timedancer episode, Requiem. Kudos to the folks that wrote that one!

Kitainia><Thanks, hopefully I'll be able to get out a new chapter to it in the next couple weeks. I've tried contacting Bengali, unfortunately, her last e-mail to me said that she couldn't e-mail me back anymore and was leaving the USA {???} She hasn't responded at all to them. So, I guess I'm on my own with it. But I'll be okay, I've got good writing abilities.

Gside><Thanks, I didn't know there was an archive. I'll respond to you guys when that week is up. As for the computer thing, yeah, I agree. I've got an _evil_ computer, I originally won a 200MHz laptop in a radio contest, and over the past couple years, I've been getting computer replacements because every computer I've gotten has broken. I've gone through about 10 or 12 computers. Right now I have an 866MHz Sony Vaio and an E-machine. Both of which have broken and need to be returned. I think the only CPU I've gotten that has worked was an old 486 I had five years ago.

It's 5:47 a.m. right now, and I'm off to get breakfast. I had intended on making a longer post and covering more, but I guess I still haven't quite eased in here yet. Anyway, Later!

"Bush Sr. was a jerk, Quayle an idiot, Clinton was atrocious and disgusting, most of those who persecuted him were hypocritical, Gore is shallow and weak, Bradley is an idealist, Bush Jr. a fool, and all of the independent candidates act like they're on drugs."
-David Borenstein On the politics of the 1990's
Conspiracy Theorist - [conspiracy3000@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 08:11:51 AM
IP: aca542b1.ipt.aol.com

** Niamhgold peeks her head in **

Kit: Did I hear someone call my name? ;) I'll try and make a post today, just a little busy! Never fear, though; spring break is in a week and three days. As soon as I get home, while my friends will be burying their heads in beach sand and doing no work, I'll be at least burying my head in _snow_, but will still do no work! Ya'll definitely see me then!

Niamhgold over and out!
(er...I mean, adios!)
Niamhgold
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 08:09:34 AM
IP: 206.41.204.68

Doug and Greg B. > I truly appreciate the way you've jumped in to defend me, Patrick and our pen name. You're both good friends but in the future please resist. We've hashed the subject to death in public forums and quite frankly it got tedious a long time ago. It's a name. It fit the provocative stories we set out to write. We've had many positive reader responses and one vocal critic. So we've been sucessful. If anyone has anything else they want to add to the discussion please email M_Destine@hotmail.com.

Kit > Thanks for the boost about the Supporting memberships. It's a real lift to see the generous things people do in the name of fandom.

*** TGS SPOILERS ***

Robby > I *LOVED* Hudson's line to Goliath about "newlyweds"! Very subtle. But I agree with the continuing slippage into human nomenclature. Especially among the older gargoyles.

*** End TGS SPOILERS ***


kathy - [kapogge@excite.com]
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 07:57:36 AM
IP: rr-56-13-19.atl.mediaone.net

SJ> Wow, thanks for the offer. But I don't think I'd look good in one of those shirts. I don't really wear shirts with text on them. However, I'd like to get one of those for my father. Let me know when you've got them made up ;)

Demona not evacuating Andrea> As I've said, Demona is taking the easy and hard way out, which considering her track record, is not out of character for her.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 07:32:25 AM
IP: dialin-142-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*Warpmind enters, looking mostly like something dragged in by whatever the cat dragged in...*
Ugh... this is what, four days straight? I'm NEVER sick for more than two days in a row! Something's wrong! *Snrrrrk* My temperature chart looks like an oscilloscope, and my head feels like one... and through it all, all I really want is a big, honkin' burger with a lot of spicy additives. And there ain't a single fast-food store in the whole 1500-isle area! :(

Pissy: You *sure* you don't want to dish out the dough for those specs? ;) Hey, what if I managed to dig up a set with the camera functions'n'all from the comic, too? };)

Aaron: Done. As you are well aware of. };)

By the way, Robby and Aaron... you've read Omaha, the Cat Dancer? I can think of one other CR dweller here I suspect of having done so, too... *Glances over at Spike with a sheepish grin.*

Josh: No, not always... Not on the occasions when he tries to prove the phenomenon... };) As for the tail thing... *Clears throat, blushes, glances around at those in the know...* nah, I'll keep my mouth shut on the topic... };)

Gside: Laugh? Now? Feel free to do so. Can I painfully dismember you with a very blunt baseball bat now? }:) Oh, and it was an EVIL groin, not a big groin. Difference.

Kit: Thanks. For what it's worth, thanks... *Sniffle* I'll still be hangin' around here, it's just my posting frequency that's being reduced a little... As for the pseudonyms... sing me up in the same category as thyself. ;) (Yeah, okay, so my first name is a neat one, but my family name is a horrid thing...)

Ughhh... that's it for now. This is Warpmind, going 10-7.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 06:49:33 AM
IP: mp-217-201-25.daxnet.no

Josh><<Then why are ALL professional drivers men?>> Well, there WAS that one racer I heard about who got a sex change...
And Miss Corax? Can I hold him while youi commence with the whoopage? ; )
Gunjack "Plucky Aspen" Valetine
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 02:59:33 AM
IP: 216-146-183-152.bwn.net

Argh! I've been so busy studying for my midterm on thursday that I didn't get to make any new icons tonight. Nuts. School bites. Midterm thursday, midterm monday, programming project due monday, quiz next friday. But then...and only then...I GET TO GO HOME! Yes, by this time in 10 days I'll be sitting in sunny Los Angeles (though it'll be midnight so it won't be sunny), posting from my parents slow-@$$ modem connection. Los Angeles, where the weather is hot and the chicks are hotter...oh my god I'm getting excited just thinking about it. WOO HOO!

James: yes, a weak point is still a point. But that doesn't mean what you said has any relevance. I didn't say it was weak, I said it wasn't valid. As in, that has nothing to do with anything. I could say "Goliath is purple" and that would be a point, too. Your post just had something remotely to do with Demona as a queen, but it didn't have anything to do with her WANTING to be queen.

Kitainia: I hope I make some more money at my job too. But its<<some good women drivers exist>>: Then why are ALL professional drivers men? You're first reaction is likely "testosterone", but if women were really better drivers (and I mean if ANY women were better drivers), someone would offer a woman a lot of money to drive a race car and she'd do it. I don't see that happening. Its true that insurance rates are higher for me (I know from personal experience), but I think the measure of skill in any field comes from looking at the professionals, not the average idiot who engages in a hobby. I don't think men are perfect drivers, either. We (as a gender) are argressive, irritable, and often drive killer trucks. Women, on the other hand, are completely oblivious to what's going on around them when they drive. Now, I'm generalizing a lot here, but that has pretty much been my experience with drivers. I prefer to drive myself. My mom doesn't even realize how fast she's going until a built-in alarm informs her she's broken 85. <<tails>>: Light touches with fingers and feathers and stuff can be sooooo wonderful, it just kinda begs for a tail to be used, doesn't it? And if a gargess watched the way Lex uses his tail in combat, you'd think they'd be drooling all over him! <<born-again virgin>>: hmmm...I think that mark is rolling around for me soon...6 months...argh. <<Aurora>>: No, she'd still get her butt whooped by a REAL warrior. Fighting lex isn't like hunting seal. Hell, I'd be surprised if she could even land a punch on the guy. <<What if the people promised you undying loyalty>>: What part of "no arsenals" was confusing? I trust my friends...a little. I trust no one completely. In fact, the person I trust most, my best friend, is the person most likely to lead a revolt against me. We have opposing moral viewpoints (he has morals, I don't), so I'll be happy just keeping everyone without weapons. Not that all my friends won't get an opportunity to "play" with new stuff at a private facility. We'll have slumber parties and stuff, but instead of LAN-games, we'll all jump into new jets and fire dummy missiles at each other. Sound like fun? <<Bashing>>: Oh, I'm sure I'll get bashing. My fiction writings just tend to evoke that in people. Its either too technical or too focused on me (hell, the story is about MY experiences, so it had better be focused on me), or too filled with my own perverse...um, nevermind. Somehow I doubt that will stop me from posting it. <<girlfriend bit>>: Dedicated bachelor for life. At least I hope so. But it would be nice to pretend I have a steady source of play so I can make lewd comments in the CR like LC and Coyote do. <<Maeve and Madoc>>: Love and sex have nothing to do with each other. I am living proof. Beefcake, BEEFCAKE! <<Civil with no flame wars>>: I like it that way...but that doesn't mean I don't find flame wars fun and entertaining

Beth: Don't make the poor boy think you're stalking him. Ignore Kit's advice 8-). On the other hand, kit's married and I'm a hardcore bachelor-for-life, so take my warnings with a grain of salt.

Stefa: I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to insist that you start using punctuation in your writings and your posts. Failure to do so will result in all of us ignoring them because THEY MAKE NO SENSE WITHOUT PUNCTUATION!

Gunjack: <<Am I off my rocker>>: Perhaps. But that has little to do with TGS. TGS, as much as we all love it and it "seems" official because it follows Mr. Weissman's master plan, isn't official. In fact, Greg isn't even legally allowed to read it! The idea being that if he did, it could invoked ideas which he might use in future things and fans could sue over idea use. That's why its so emphatic on this site that "We have nothing to do with Disney" blah blah blah.

Think positive. Sooner or later, everyone you hate will die.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 02:39:33 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-83.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Kit><<Even if it is written by committee, sometimes that works.>>
Q: What is a Camel?
A: A horse designed by commitee

In other words, a laughing-stock, a target of mockery and disdain... Right up until you need to cross a desert. I rather like the idea of TGS. to my knowledge, it's an origional idea (at least for this fandom), and it provides a basic skeleton for the continuation of the series. There are other fanfic series that are, IMO, much better written, but there are also some fics that I find superiour to the origional show. TGS provides a nice, "middle of the road" deal, and in doing so it helps keep the series alive. It may not be revolutionary all the time, but it's stable.

Speaking of which, I was under the impression that TGS was (at least to some extent) official. Am I off my rocker?
Gunjack "Oddly Lovable" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 02:18:09 AM
IP: 216-146-183-75.bwn.net

*cat nudges Archwolf's muzzle off the ground, trots around to nip at his tail, then finally drags him up in the mountains to hunt in the last of winter's snow for rabbits*

cheer up, pup.

Mecord> you'll get around to reading this sometime this week. je t'aime. i'll be home soon.

all> anyone debating about the blame for the school shootings needs to go read "A Tribe Apart" by Patricia Hersch. you have brought up good points though. did anyone hear about or participate in Proms for Peace the year of the Columbine shooting? *cat is now residing about half an hour from columbine, colorado* that was us. try to see what you can do in your schools/communities to promote peace.
Cat
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 01:00:05 AM
IP: pppa72-resaledenverb1-2r7014.dialinx.net

And now Part 2!

Pseudonyms: Just one little comment on this issue. I too do not believe that using one means you aren't proud of or comfortable with what you write under it. It might be for Stephen King (he's confessed that himself), but not for all people. More often, people just find it easier for whatever reason, or they adopt a pseudonym because it sounds cooler than their real name. I know I belong in the latter category. <grin>

SJ: Let me join in the screaming with you a little. Cyborg!! Jewel!!! Mecord!! Rodlox!! Juliaexia!! Niamhgold!!! Please come back!! <grins, hoping it works> Thanks for all the intriguing Buffy spoilers, I too am looking forward to seeing which ones do and don't come out true. Like you, I want Oz back, hope we do see him again. The Brian rumors sound most intriguing, wonder which actor they'll get to play him (Donald Sutherland would make for some interesting in-jokes :). I also hope Faith doesn't die, I adore her as a character and wish she was used on the show more often. <sigh> And Buffy getting bit by Spike, now that is worrisome… I doubt they'll do it, though. We've already had one major vamp-turning shocker on Angel this season, another on Buffy would be too predictable. Though I might have been shocked by it myself if not for your spoiler…:) I'd ask you if you'd heard any rumors on where Angel's going, but I don't want that spoiled too. <Q spoilers> <mouth falls open> If this is true, I am so glad I stopped watching Star Trek a LONG time ago. :(

Todd: I too was laughing hysterically at West and Bennet on Zeta Project this week, the Lee development was also nice. If not for the IMO contrived plot point of Zeta losing control of his holoprojector, this week would be one of my favorite episodes so far. <shrugs>

Jannie: Said it in e-mail, now I'll say it again- congrats on reaching a compromise with Anna on the role-playing and good luck avoiding birds if they freak you out so much (I personally don't get it, but then I don't usually get phobias period :). <Fairy Meat> Trust me, you do not want to know what it is. Whoops, Christine already described it. Never mind. :) To better understand the appeal of such a game, you should read Knights of the Dinner Table, the comic that spawned it- I'm sure you'd join the millions who are already laughing hysterically at it. :) Good points about bullying and coping skills, I too can not stand ignorant parents at all and think they are as much to blame for bad events like the school shootings as anything else, if not more so. Pity we haven't realized this yet as a society and done something about it. :( For kids and teachers to be in denial is one thing, but the people the kid is supposed to drive up the wall more than anyone else? Never! <grin> Thanks for making me laugh with the lines about being crazy. <Metal detectors> Grandpa Ian dealt with them by always carrying around a doctor's report on the metal in his body and why it was there, as well as his war medals. A display of these things usually made any suspicion go away.

Archwolf: Good to see you back briefly, return soon please. :)

Dreamie: <valid points> Glad you thought so. I get drunk rarely, and I usually regret it when I do. :)

Imzadi: Congrats on the job, though I hope you can soon make a lot more money at it. <women drivers, no survivors> Oh come on, some good women drivers exist! Ok, not me, but some of my friends are good drivers at least. <grimaces and mutters about common unfair prejudice> I agree with you on tails, they need to be more than just a gimmick and physical detail.

Lynati: Great quote, and good point about a lot of kids being smarter than we think they are, enough to find a way to manipulate the adults and escape a lot of responsibility. I agree that this is not good, and hope the trend soon stops. <prayer> <sigh> Sometimes when I read comments on things like these school shootings and what caused them, with nobody seeming to realize the truth of things, I feel I should be like Fry in Futu-rama and shout from a bullhorn at the top of the UT Tower, "Attention citizens of Earth, stop acting so stupid!!" <grins> I'd probably get the same result he did, though- complete ignorance. :(

Beth H: <chuckles at date-related predicament> The best things in life are worth the work. What'd I do if I were you is find out his class schedule and try to get him between periods right as he's coming out of a classroom (I'm sure you can come up with some way to do that). Good luck, I hope when you next are able to get in touch with the guy that he gives the answer you're hoping for. If I had a nickel for every time I've longed for a guy and then when I've asked him out found out I'm not his type, he has other plans too often to be dating, he already has someone, etc…<sigh>

Spacebabie: Good luck to you avoiding stinger insects. <Fair> Doug and I too have enjoyed it recently here in Austin, though not as much as in previous years due to higher prices and lack of a midway video arcade (fairs in these parts often show up with old or unique games the year-round arcades lack, this year there were no games at all- :P). I agree with you that Futu-rama was very sweet this week and King of the Hill funny once again (though the whole born-again virgin deal made me gag). I also agree Lone Gunmen shaped up a little, the plot this week was much better and it was good to see Langly and Frohike used for comedy. Bond's a good character too. My main beef was and remains that we're not seeing the Gunmen develop and grow as much as we're seeing their physical and personality traits used for shock or bizarrely comic effect. Hope to see more of the former in upcoming episodes.

Bullies: Many good points about how to deal with them and the pros and cons of certain methods have been mentioned. Personally, I recommend ignoring or avoiding them as much as possible as well as self-defense classes just in case. If a kid's gonna be threatened with getting beat up, they need to be able to fight back without a lethal weapon somehow.

Lady Corax/Ravyn: I guessed who you were once GB (I think) mentioned "a maiden of the house of Cole," I'm surprised SJ didn't. :( As for what name you should use, well, both are equally cool and have their merits. I'll leave the final choice up to you. <shrugs> Glad to see you in here under either name, and really glad to see you and Coyote enjoying time spent together so much. :)

DPH: <trouble at work> JRSU, or Job-Related Screw-Up, is the guy you're looking for. I think he needs a better name, though I can't think of one. :( Good point about mentors, though I still personally like seeing them on TV. <shrugs> Just as long as they don't replace parents, everything will be fine.

Valentine: Ack, good luck with your illness too. <kills Sli Sludge again> Hope to soon see you back in here and doing better.

Stephen: No more Dark Ages? Surely you're joking. They gotta give us a season or two to finish things up with that series at least. Yeah, I am more into the main cycle and Timedancer than DA, but that doesn't mean I don't like a lot of things about Dark Ages- Asrial, Roland, and Iago among them. Hope that what you hinted at was just a rumor and that the staff will bring back Dark Ages someday. I know I'd be one of many who would read, comment on, and enjoy the eps.

James: Nice way to bring up Macbeth, who I too have been missing so far this season. Hope that sooner or later he shows up.

Mecord: Hey, welcome back! :) Congrats on the engagement with Cat and on getting your computers networked. Hope you'll grace us with your presence again soon. :)

Protective Fathers: I too had no problem with Peter Maza saying Goliath better treat Elisa right. I watched my own dad tell Doug the same thing when we announced our engagement to him. He sounded like he was kidding, we all laughed, but I don't think he was kidding at all. <smirk>

Robby: Welcome back! Glad you can post again, hope the method lasts this time. Nice wrap-up of the Ten saga, though I was shocked and am now worried by One's plans for SJ, whatever they are. Looking forward to how he shows them to us. <rubs fingers together in anticipation>

Conspiracy Theorist: Good luck with finishing Bengali's fanfic and the computer problems, hope you can get both figured out and resolved. On the former, don't you have some way to contact her and ask if you need help? You should, if she's given you such a big task as finishing a fanfic story is.

Kyryn: <reads bit on Dark Ages> Oh, good. Thanks for mentioning that. I'm very relieved now. And enthusiastic about those episodes and plot arcs. :)

Trio Characterization: Many good points on this from Kaioto and others. See my comments on this week's episode below for what I think about Lex. As for Broadway, well, I can see the point that he is a bit too one-dimensional as just Angela's husband, but the potential exists to make him more than that. If it could just be exercised somehow…Maybe another detective episode is needed, or some other episode that focuses mainly on him with Angela playing a minimal or background role. I'm not sure this is possible in TGS the way things are now, but I'm not saying it couldn't be done. I for one would enjoy reading it. :)

Kaioto: Very good points about Lex and Aurora fighting. I think I should point out one thing, though- Aurora's only combat experience was not the Unseelie War engagement. Her clan also must hunt down and kill seals and penguins for food every day. I'm sure that has taught her at least a few wrestling moves and many other combat tricks. It might not make her as experienced as Lex with real combat, but does it make her not formidable? Probably not IMO. Good points about short people and combat too, it's often the little guys that are the most dangerous due to their size as much as anything else. I too wish TGS would more often acknowledge this with Lex in combat. :( Hope they start doing that soon, and also stop feeding him the angst. You are quite right that Lex has many strengths, and could use them to really shine as a character, if only they could be written into his life more often. :(
<No More!> Ah, another fan of The Principal. Excellent. :)

Pistoff: Good point about Demona and her killer instinct, she needs that. <Goliath swearing> You better write that bit of development well if you're going to do it, I can tell you right now I see no way that it can easily be done and accepted as in-character. <Boiler is my ficverse's Official Sex Goddess> I thought Purgie had that honor. <shrugs> Like I really care. Nice to see you know your characters so well. Good points also about TGS not being the official continuation of the series, I agree with you on that but I still think it's one of the best I've seen available. Even if it is written by committee, sometimes that works. :)

Xenatrek: Good points about gun control. I too am very worried about the increasing accessibility of guns in our society and think we need to concentrate more on strengthening the enforcement of the laws we have in place. New gun control laws won't work if we refuse to enforce them. (And note, I am not saying guns should be banned. I agree they have their merits, but still they are dangerous and just because they come in handy sometimes does not mean it is good to always have them around and ready to grab.) Good proposed solution to the problem, I have to say it's probably impractical though, given all the nuts we have on both sides of the issue who will be for and against it. :( Trigger locks have also already been tried in Texas, and failed rather spectacularly. :P On growing up with your impairment, well, I think you've managed to mature very well even though you have it, perhaps despite it even. You have very high admiration from me considering all that you've lived through, especially since by your own admission it's never brought you to the point of wanting to commit suicide. Not sure if my opinion is worth anything, but there it is. :) On all the traumatic deaths and injuries you've witnessed, my heart and deepest sympathies go out to you. I wish you the best of luck dealing with the pain you must feel from all that you have experienced, and in becoming a counselor too. If you often think to yourself you already are one, hey, you're halfway there. :) <being listened to> Indeed a cardinal skill for getting through life. Unfortunately, I've found it's also often necessary from the person who needs a listener as well as the potential listeners that are available. :(

Patrick: Nice to see you in here again, it's been a while. Very nice comments on all the topics you addressed, good points especially about the source of the school shooting problem needing more focus than it's getting That makes me disappointed too. <sigh> <'Only another cop could understand the hours, job, and stress'> I hope Doug and I can prove that woman's implication wrong someday, I don't intend to ever become a cop myself but I can already pretty much understand his hours and stress troubles with his security job, and cop issues will probably be like that, only on a slightly greater scale. At least I hope that's how it's gonna be. <crosses fingers>

SJ again: Trying to please everyone is one of Doug's biggest debating weaknesses, he can't stand having anybody mad at him. Thus he does his best to avoid it, fearing confrontation. Surely we can both understand this fear. <sighs> You make a very good point about contradictions developing as a result of his posts though, thanks for mentioning it. I'll try to discuss the issue with Doug once he gets out of the shower (he's in there as I'm typing this paragraph) and maybe we can reach a conclusion of some kind. Best I can probably hope for, though, is getting him to drop out of the argument, it's just the way he is. :P. I love him, but he frustrates me too. <King of Infallibility T-shirts> If you're making Queen shirts too, I'd like one for Stephanie's next birthday gifts. She may not be infallible, but she sure acts like she believes she is a lot of the time. :P.

Gleeb: Very good points about Demona's character. You and GXB are having quite an interesting debate about her. I would like to see her at least thinking about such things as you propose in TGS if not doing them (maybe she can't, Thailog could have the Yakuza watching Andrea 24/7 and has ordered them to kill her on sight if Demona even tries to get close to her. Expensive but possible).

Alright, that's all I wanted to say. Hope I've been civil enough to satisfy the troll, and friendly enough to please everybody else. I am tired now, so I must get ready for bed. Later everyone!

**BACK TO RP, AT THE MALL OF AMERICA**

"Alright, Tricia, just one more!" Jammer is shouting as the screen comes back on, ignoring the dismayed looks Orion, Tanith, and Lathrop are giving him. "Please, Jim," Orion mutters. "We're needed on the ground." Jammer does not pay attention, getting the Onslaught into yet another dramatic pose. "Camera's out of film!" Tricia yells, displaying a fake grimace. "Damn," Jammer sighs, hitting the button to transform the Onslaught back into a truck cab. "Oh well, maybe if that Goro-whatever's body stays here long enough…" "I'd imagine the governor will want to cart it off and destroy it soon, Jammer," Lathrop cuts in politely. "'Giant Demon Attacks National Guard' is not a headline you want in the papers, all that's happened here at the Mall is already bad enough." "Point," Jammer grimaces. "Oh well, at least we got three good pictures." He opens the door of the now fully transformed vehicle and gets out, the others following. Tricia meets them as they exit the Onslaught, the other Ravens nearby helping wounded National Guardsmen with bandages, healing potions, and comforting words. "Orion, this guy needs your help over here!" Elena calls, and the cleric runs over to her, Tanith just behind. "Nice victory," Tricia tells Jammer as he stands grinning before her. "Though I credit the Onslaught's hardware for being to stand up to the Goroistro more than your piloting." Jammer nods. "You're probably right. Thank Lathrop too, he used some spells." "They didn't do that much," the wizard says when Tricia looks his way. "The real hero was Orion's new friend. She did something with the blizzard that briefly made it flare up enough to stop the Goroistro, without freezing the rest of us to death. It was amazing." "Some of us actually did freeze, briefly," Doug points out, walking over with Kit at his side. "Personally, I'm still shivering." "You'll be fine," Kit rolls her eyes. "At least we're alive. More than can be said for a lot of these National Guard guys." She grimaces as a wounded man moans his last, Shap turning towards him with ready healing hands a second too late. "Sorry," Shauna sighs, bending down to close the dead man's eyes. "Unfortunately, we can't save everybody." There is no comment from the soldiers nearby, though many grimace at her words. Doug looks at Kit with a frown. "We gotta get out of here," he says. "Keith, Stephanie, and Tom are still in the Mall, though." Kit nods. "Anthony said he was going to check on them. Hopefully they'll come out shortly." "Last healing potion," Boris says to a soldier nearby, handing him a vial. "I hope it helps." "I'll, uh, see if we have any more supplies in the truck," Jammer tells Doug and Kit, then moves off. "Just out of curiosity," Lathrop whispers to Tricia, "was the camera really out of film?" She smiles and shakes her head, Doug and Kit sharing in the grin Lathrop soon adopts. "Damn!" Jammer yells from the trailer. "This battle's been harder on us than I thought. No more healing potions in here, period. Amazing that we predicted things like that, usually we don't take everything inside." "I did have a very bad feeling before everything got started," Doug recalls, then grimaces as another mortally wounded soldier breathes his last. "Keith and Tom might have more potions," Kit says hopefully. "They better come out here soon, I'm…" She stops speaking as a loud explosion and an even louder death scream echoes from inside the Mall, followed by a chorus of gunshots. "That scream was Kenny," Tricia's hand goes to her mouth. "Everyone but Shap and Orion back to the Mall!" Doug shouts. "Now!" The other Ravens rush to follow him and Kit as they start to dash across the parking lot. "Good luck!" Shap yells after them, staying to help the wounded. Tanith and Orion do the same, the former grimacing slightly at not being recognized as a team member. Then nearby moans from a soldier whose legs were stepped on by the Goroistro and both broken catch her attention and she turns to assist.

Inside the Mall, Anthony is hearing the noise too and grimacing as he faces the being who stopped him from alerting the others to it immediately. "What do you want?" he asks the Devil, who is smiling as he keeps a hand on the Hellcop's shoulder. "Three damned souls are part of that noise," Lucifer replies to the question. "Two more are nearby, they all are powerful. Do you really think you can handle so many at once?" "I have to try, don't I?" Anthony protests. "They're attacking my friends!" "Your friends?" Lucifer raises his eyebrows. "You've known these people how long? And how long have you been alive?" "That isn't important!" Anthony snaps. "They need me, they're in trouble." "You're not here to save people in trouble," Lucifer reminds him nonchalantly. "You're here to recapture damned souls without getting yourself killed. I can only bring you back so many times, you know. Consider things, Anthony- this may not be the best time to go after these particular souls. If you wait, another chance will come and…" "Right," Anthony interrupts him with a loud mumble. "Just like my second chance at life on Earth. Let go of me." With a rude shrug, he casts off the Devil's hand and then takes off at a run towards the noise of the nearby battle. Lucifer shakes his head as he watches Anthony go, then shrugs and with a chuckle fades away as the screen goes blank.

**THE BATTLE WILL BE PICKED BACK UP BY DOUG LATER THIS WEEK. END RP**
Kitainia
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:51:50 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.240.dlls.grid.net

**RP, WITH ASIL AND WHAT REMAINS OF THE TEN**

"King Abdullah II and Dowager Queen Noor are safely back in Jordan today after a surprising mishap befell their plane in Ankara, Turkey," a newscaster is saying as the screen comes on. "Apparently the pilot was knocked out and stripped of his clothes by an unknown individual who then impersonated him right up until the planned moment of takeoff, then begged leave to visit the restroom and disappeared. King Abdullah II himself found the pilot tied up and locked in an overhead storage compartment shortly afterwards, the man was immediately given a backup uniform and resumed his duties after gratefully thanking the King, who said he was glad to have helped. Queen Noor had no comment." "Oh, that new King of Jordan!" Ten/Cyber-Barney laughs as he watches the news. "He cracks me up! Glad to help, hahahah! What'll he do next?" "Oh, like we're all just dying to know that information," Five mutters from nearby, snatching the remote and changing the channel. "I'm more concerned about when One will get back from Earth," Six comments. "There is much to decide- Nine and Seven are gone, Four is gone, Three was executed, Two may have passed as well… Whatever is to become of the rest of us?" From his seat nearby, Gothmenes grins strangely at the remark, but quickly lets his expression go back to the usual calm smile when the others look his way. "I'm worried about that too," Ten says. "What do you think One's going to do, Eight? Surely she won't kill us!" "Let's wait and see about that, shall we?" Gothmenes replies. Suddenly there is a crack of thunder in the room and One steps out of a blue portal, clicking off the TV with a thought. "Hello my brothers," she greets the other Ten. "I'm female!" the bizarre-bodied Six shouts, pig-like Five mumbling something about how one can tell. "Welcome back, One," Gothmenes greets their master with a bow. "I sense Earth is not destroyed, did you need some help with its heroes?" "Surely not!" One snarls, then chuckles. Gothmenes does not flinch at her anger, though the other three super-demons do. "I was well on my way to finishing them off," One goes on, "when a certain member of their team caught my eye." She laces her fingers together before her and pauses dramatically before smiling. "Soon we'll be getting married." The other super-demons' mouths fall open as one.

The display changes to Hope Island, where Duke Nukem and Kiff, their jetpacks low on fuel, have just landed on the beach. "Hmm," Duke smiles, looking around the area with binoculars. "Big crystal castle at the center of this place. She's probably in there. It's surrounded by thick rainforest, though- not good." "What's the matter?" Kiff asks. "You've fought in worst environments than rainforest before- arctic wastelands, outer space, alien planets…" "Didn't you tell me you forgot the machete five minutes after we left?" Duke interrupts him. "Oh, right," Kiff sighs, then grimaces. "But I seem to remember you were the one who said we couldn't go back to get it." Duke is about to make a comeback about damsels in distress needing to be rescued when a sniper's bullet pings off his the tree behind him an inch from his face. Immediately the hero spins and fires several shotgun blasts at the direction from which it came. With a loud scream, Argos Blink is hit by the shots and falls out of the tree he was perched in, hitting the ground hard. Duke runs up and kicks him in the side, growling angrily. "What's the idea trying to shoot me?" "You're an intruder!" the poacher snarls back. "An enemy! You shall not be allowed to live!" "I think I'm the one deciding who lives and dies here," Duke snaps back, then blows him away with another shotgun blast. "Sir, that man you just killed has a machete on his belt," Kiff points out. "So I see," Duke nods. "Grab it and come on." The alien grimaces and mutters a few curses as Duke turns and starts heading for the forest. "What was that, Kiff?" Duke yells back. "Nothing!" his henchman yells back, grabbing the machete and hurrying to catch up. From a hiding place nearby, Luten Plunder lowers binoculars of his own and frowns. "Geez, you could kill a gorilla from fifty yards off, Argos," he sighs. "Why couldn't you make that shot?" Paying no further mind to his dead sidekick, the eco-villain grabs his radio and speaks into it. "Sli, Verminous, Zarm- the intruders are advancing through the jungle. I say we ambush them when they comes out. They've done fine in all their battles so far, but if they're outnumbered we may have a chance." "Agreed," Zarm replies. "Alone, I could probably finish them. But some help might be necessary." "I'll send my rat-men to harass them on their way through the forest," Verminous Skuum adds. "Soften them up." "I have black plague ready for when they come out," Sli Sludge chuckles along. "Excellent," Plunder says. "I'll keep an eye on our intruders." He holsters his radio and then starts to follow Duke and Kiff at a comfortable sneaking distance as the screen goes blank.

**BOTH SCENES WILL BE CONTINUED SOON, DOUG WILL PICK UP THINGS WITH ASIL LATER THIS WEEK. END RP**

<Kit zooms in on the Road Moccasin to Moby's "South Side," accompanied by a big brown-bearded biker with a red cobra tatoo on his arm and a petite honey-haired woman in a gray flannel jumpsuit and spotted blue bandanna, both riding cycles of their own. For a while they spin around the CR waving at people, then Cobra and Fauline depart and Kit moves to the posting stand> Good to have friends in town who you have not seen face-to-face in almost a year and spend time with them, even if only for a day. :) And now I'm saying hi to all my friends in here, and talking with them once again. Spring Break is going great so far for Doug and me, we got our tax returns completed yesterday (something we'd put off long enough) and today we got to relax and treat Cobra and Fauline to many of Austin's sights and wonders. They left about 6:30, had to get on to the little town near El Paso where Cobra's mother lives. <sigh> I don't know when they'll come our way again, but Doug and I look forward to it. It's back to work tomorrow for both of us, from what I hear one new guy at Doug's job worked out and the other didn't. :( Hope they find another new guy to replace the latter one soon. At the house, the water line is complete, meter install and ready. Electricity still has to be hooked up and fully connected, but hopefully will be done soon. The septic tank was sitting in its hole in the backyard ready to be covered over when Doug and I went out there today to show Cobra and Fauline our place, hopefully that too will soon be done. :) Next week the building inspector's coming out to the home and hopefully he will not spot any more problems like the exposed wire we dealt with last week. Not much other news to report, the injuries from Mardi Gras are all healing nicely and Jammer will soon begin seeing his physical therapist about the broken arm he got after being pushed off the Paradox second floor balcony during that fight and landing roughly. :) Stephanie has a month left before Peter's due to come out, and is now seeing the obsetrician to practice birthing pushes every other day. Keith is going crazy getting their apartment ready for the baby, he built a crib last weekend and is still in the process doing a huge safety crackdown on every possible danger (the Simpsons episode this Sunday amused the rest of us a lot, but not him! :). Boris's birthday is Thursday, I have to be out of town for the party. :( It should go alright without me, though. On to comments and replies.

Jannie: Glad to hear your housecleaning is going well, hope it's soon complete and doesn't cost you too much (I too dropped my jaw when you mentioned the yard men wanting $750). Thanks much for informing me about the change of e-mail address (albeit too late for the latest reply) and giving me those URLs of boards where serious potential-flame-war discussions can still take place without trouble, maybe we should post them in here for the benefit of certain individuals. <not saying more> I enjoyed my Spring Break today, will again this weekend some, but you're right, school is going to be a big relief to get back to when it's over. So will work too, probably, after I get back from Houston. :) That bit about male brain shrinkage worries me, hope it doesn't affect Doug. I hate to admit it, but I was laughing out loud at the bit involving Texans and car crashes. Yeah, it's not a funny topic, I know. :( <economy> Right, I know, it's not really as good as they like to claim. But I like to maintain hopeful illusions, whether the reality's different or not.

Kaioto: Serious as they may be, your "troll" comments are cracking me up. <laughs>

Lain: Nice proof statement on the universe being the best it could be. <sighs that it is so just the same> That philosophy book you have sounds pretty good- too bad the professors at UT apparently haven't discovered it. :( Thanks for sharing the passages from it you did, and good luck with the upcoming debate. <LOL at Valentine punishment bit> Don't get too crazy now, you do want to keep him as a friend right? :) Your research-related frustration is understood and I can empathize very much with it. :( Hope you can still produce a paper somehow. Good luck with your dad and glad you're getting the pottery away from him, I'm with SJ in cheering on your standing-up to him and hoping his opinions of your schoolwork and social life someday improve. I agree that something fishy is going on if he doesn't want to be with his girlfriend around you. <shrugs> Maybe she just doesn't like you, I hope it's something simple like that. :( Whatever it is, best of luck dealing with things.

Winterwolf: Congrats on having your new job's tax withholding right on the money. Doug and I wish we could say the same, but we can't. :( We don't have to send that much to the IRS though, Bush's latest tax cut surprisingly helped us a little. <smiles> Now if only itwill help the budget too instead of what all the doomcriers predict… I too can sometimes get in a better mood after listening to sad music, glad I'm not the only one. :)

Gleeb: Welcome, or welcome back as the case may be. And thanks for being more civil in your posts than Tryglycerine, who I think some people may have mixed you up with. Since I'm not as familiar with the masterplan as much as some other people have commented, I'll stay out of the debate you started concerning it, which may be over now. <shrugs and grins> Good points about having one's own opinions, though, and about the Antarctic clan and what they should or should not be like. I agree with you about Gargoyles and Pendragon being better than Timedancer continuity- and theme-wise. Though Timedancer does have themes too, they're just more emotion- and character-related than adversary-.

Remote Clans: I too had problems at first with the idea of gargoyles in space or Antarctica, it just seemed too unlikely. But then I decided that if TGS can write interesting and entertaining stories about such things, maybe they can work. So I read the stories and have so far enjoyed them pretty much. I try not to prejudge, it almost never works out well. :)

Imzadi: I too like this room better civil with no flame wars. Wish it could be like that more often nowadays. :( <no arsenals> What if the people promised you undying loyalty and you were able to trust them? Come on, you wouldn't be a popular leader if you were the only one who could use great force against their enemies. Though it would be convenient, I can agree with that. :) I agree with you about criticism, nice rant on it. Bashing people's writings indeed does no good by itself, you have to say why you don't like something if you're going to criticize it. Hope your work gets more criticism and little or no bashing when you post it (as I'm confident you'll be brave enough to do :). <chuckles at girlfriend bit>

Stefa: Welcome to you also. Hope you can soon get over your TGS-related confusion. Let me know if I can help, I've read all the episodes and can remember the basics easily if not small details.

Question: If certains vehicles can't really do certain amazing feats (like towing a semi), why do they imply it in TV commercials? :(

GXB: <story behind each clan> I'm looking forward to those stories too. Hope it's not too long before we get to hear them (yes, I suppose I can wait till Season 4. <sigh>). <Demona> Looking forward to what you have planned for her too. Very interesting and good comments about her character and foreshadowing in relation to her in your recent posts. :)

SJ: Well, if you want to watch Rachael Leigh Cook in a movie that is actually well-written, -directed, and -acted, check out "Blow Dry" with her, Alan Rickman, Rachel Griffiths, and Josh Harnett. Doug and I checked it out last night- it is all those things, and hilarious too. I agree with you that one should not see a bad movie, appealing actresses or no. Unfortunately, Doug doesn't share this belief and thus will be treating me to the horror that may be Josie and the Pussycats in a few weeks. :( I agree with you about Russell Crowe, that kidnapping definitely needed better planning (if I were in charge, I'd grab him while asleep and see that he woke up somewhere awful :). I agree with you about Greg, sometimes he has dumb ideas, though I honestly can't name any clear example off the top of my head. :( I like him for the same reasons GXB does too. Glad to see you back in the RP, please keep up the good writing. Hope to learn the fates of Sammael, Dyspare, Mephisto, etc. after the One battle's conclusion soon (and also see you dealing with having to marry One, I was laughing out loud when Robby wrote that :). Hope the above Ten bit I did will fit in with your plans, whatever they are. Looking forward to their enaction. <New Knight Rider> I too am worried about that show ruining my memories of the original, hope it doesn't really get made. Never good to mess with a classic. <Green Arrow> Glad to hear Smith's got so much good news coming his way- I fear though that it may be a little pre-emptive. I read the Green Arrow book, but found it good, not great. It will take a few more issues before I form a full opinion and even consider whether or not such things as a movie adaptation would be a good idea. I wish Hollywood was the same way, a lot of awful films might not get produced if it was. :( <Literary Giant bit> ROFL!!! <school shootings> Very good points, I too hope more people will soon come to realize them, though it doesn't seem likely. :( <Fred's problems> Not going to say much on this, I really don't want to be involved in the latest flare-up, but I must question one statement you have made. Exactly how is Fred expressing his feelings on erotica and such philosophically? I don't get that vibe at all from his bits about the topic. What I get is more of an "It's bad, that's all there is to it, no ifs ands or buts, the people who write it are also bad and sick, you say it's not bad or you yell at me for my viewpoint you're sick too" kinda feel. I definitely don't like this attitude, nor do I really see any philosophical viewpoint in it. I agree with Doug and GXB too, I do not like how he's attacking Patrick and Kathy personally just because they're writing stuff that he does not consider good. But hey, maybe you're right, maybe I don't understand the real feelings here. Maybe I'm not supposed to. <shrugs> Therefore I will shit up.

Kirshanta: I agree about Maeve and Madoc, I too got the impression they weren't together any longer from TGS. It was just some people seeming to imply it didn't ever happen I had issues with. You're right that they aren't capable of love, but getting busy together is often a whole different thing. <shrugs> Oh well, that topic's over now, or at least I think it is. And possibly good riddance. I'm surprised we haven't ever had a similar thread about Harthoth and Isfet. :)

Juliaexia: I'm still worried about you. Are you okay? Are you holding up after what happened last week? Please let us know soon, if you can. A few words to say you're still alive would be enough.

Calliope: You're welcome, I'm glad they didn't take that little green case too. It's often the least finacially valuable items we worry about the most.

DPH: I didn't know you were on the TGS Staff. :) Now that I know, I'm glad to have another friend on it. Hope to soon read something you've written, or at least helped to think up and outline in a big way.

Christine: Crystal bowl sounds good, nobody in my family has a tradition of giving that. :) Congratulations on the Writer's Digest mention (that oughta increase your readership and clout with publishers! :), and on the possibility of getting a story in that anthology, hope it works out. You can put me down as another non-fan of the Dark Tower series.

Spacebabie: <Antarctic veggies> Doesn't some kind of moss grow in Antarctica? Or maybe they eat seaweed? Hope this issue is addressed in TGS. Glad you and your dog survived those scares you mentioned, reading about them worried me enough. :( <grimaces at mention of Catholic girl school> Is that true? Now I'm really worried about these events happening. And I too miss GB a lot.

Beth H: Yeah on the cool fanfic review! :) I hope you get many more. I still haven't had time to read your fics myself, but I hope to while I'm in Houston this week. <fingers crossed>

SOROW: I'm still glad you're not losing your job, things going bad for the other guy notwithstanding. :( Hope you have both learned from this experience and will be better workers because of it. <frowns at not knowing what else to say on the issue> I hope your silence so far about coming to Austin on Thursday and Friday doesn't mean you've given up on seeing us when you do come. Doug does want to meet you, and so do I. I really regret I can't be there, though. :( Again, condolences on the way things are going with Joe and your emotions, I hope you can soon start feeling better about life. I'll try to keep doing my best to help you. I just pray it's working. <sigh>

Pistoff: Rich people complaining about property values drives me nuts too. Especially since Mom's family has a lot of such individuals. <growls> Everyone has people they don't like to admit they're related to, I'm no exception. :( Good luck with the original story you mentioned. As for recent posts you've made and things you've said, I'm not going to comment except to say this- we all like to ride high horses sometimes. The smart ones among us know when to gallop proudly flinging stones at all the people you despise, and when to get off before the horse is shot out from under them by those not blinded by the clouds. I hope you know these things too, friend- last time you didn't and no one liked the results.

Gside: Good point about guilt. :) Thanks for explaining Chingrish. On emulation, well, I tried it a while back, but unfortunately I never really found much time to play the games I downloaded, so I gave it up. <sighs> Oh well. Hope your exam went well. I'm not going to comment on what you said about drunk people in relation to me. <rude expression of distaste>

Warpmind: <Immigration news> Rats. Now I'm going to be missing getting to meet you for even longer. <sighs> Good luck getting to America, some day, some way, somehow. Pity you aren't coming from Nuevo Laredo, Elena could probably give you a few tips on getting in even with all the Immigration troubles. <grins> Oh well. <posting frequency> I'm glad you're enjoying IM, but I miss you in here and I know I'm not the only one. Please don't completely go away. <I have the flu> Oh no! Get better soon please. <kills Sli Sludge in case it helps>

LC, Xenatrek: I too have many ways of making men talk, though they probably wouldn't work on Coyote as well as they do on the men I know in RL. :(

Kathy: It wouldn't feel right for me to win a Gathering 2001 T-shirt if I hadn't actually been there, so even if I do become a Supporting Member please don't put me in the contest. I am considering it btw, just waiting a few weeks of budget planning to see what I can contribute. Hope many people will participate in the next Gathering as Supporting Members in response to your post. :)

Shadowrider: Farewell once again, hope your next leave isn't far off. And good luck. :) Thanks for all the good wishes to us while you were here. Next time I'll try harder not to miss saying hi to you, friend. :(

Writing Characters: I'm only really a writer in the RP, but I'll still contribute to this topic. My favorite character to write is Asil. A lot of pent-up frustration can be released when you're acting out your psychotic evil clone. <grin>

Super Cyborg Assault Armadillos: I think it's more a parody of Ninja Turtles than Power Rangers. Maybe that's just me.

Jaden: Glad we're helping you survive the Army, and that you can still find some fun things to do amidst all the rough duties and so on. :) Good luck getting a weekend off again soon.

Fourteen Year-Old Sentencing: I too am very saddened by this event, especially by the role (or lack thereof) his mom played in it. Jannie's points concerning the issue give me some mixed feelings, though. She's right that we have to better show teens how much crime is wrong. <sigh> All I can really say after debating the issue for hours in my head is that I hope that the sentenced kid and any other young people who think about doing such dumb things as he did will better understand the consequences thanks to this event and not do such things. If one good thing can come of something bad, then it has not happened in vain. :(

Human Cloning: I too intend to stay away from this science as much as possible. It disturbs me in the extreme. That little can be done to stop its research especially does so. <sigh> Good to see the Church acknowledging they have no power over something, though- that is a rare event and thus one to be noted. <smirk>

Aaron: Good points about school shooting, especially when you mentioned Roger Ebert and the event in Pennsylvania, which btw wasn't even in the news here. :( I don't like that we're getting numb to these events either, they are and should remain disturbing and to be worked against ever happening again. <topping Littleton> Ok, now, I'm worried. :(

Wilek: <much laughter and hysteria> Good to see you again. Welcome back!

**TGS SPOILERS**
Very good follow-up to Part 1, I liked how the surprises and mysteries of last week were further developed but only partially solved. Missed illustrations this time around, but the writing was excellent. Darius is shaping up to be an interesting antagonist, a gargoyle Khomeini of sorts. Cool to make him a necromancer with some mysterious connection to the Unseelie also. His goal of ruling gargoyles does seem a bit one-dimensional, but his methods are intriguing enough to make that a non-issue. Now I'm really worried about what's in those boxes… (it's not gargoyle beasts, I'm sure of that now!). Good development of him and of Demona too, her introspection was well-written and it's intriguing to see her dealing with the Council and trying to find allies she has never met before against Thailog. Her interaction with the other characters was nicely done too, I enjoyed seeing her disturbed by Darius and yet still willing to work with him and was LOL at the "deep breaths, Goliath" scene. :) Nice bits with Lex and the females too, though I got confused by them at times it was still fun watching him trying to apologize and failing miserably, right up until the fight breaking out, which highlights an important point- I really think Aurora needs to be less of a one-dimensional b*)#h, I agree with Imzadi that if she has more to her character we should see more evidence of it. The mentions of her wanting to be a healer and her grief were nicely inserted, but they weren't really present enough in her character to change my opinion of Aurora as of yet. <sigh> I also agree Lex needs to be used as more than the little-brother character too, he needs some recognition of his heroism and opportunities to show it, physical as well as technological. Hope he gets them soon (one note, though- let's not make everything revolve around his implants. I agree with Lynati that they can be used for comic effect well and with Kaioto that they could be physically helpful, although I can't recall that I've ever read anything about them specifically enhancing his strength and speed, but I don't want to make it seem like Lex has become a super-garg because of them. Some element of tragicness should be retained). Goliath seemed less stoic in this one, had some nice bits, that was good. Liked Icarus and Delilah's development also, and how the Council seemed very much like a human diplomatic meeting with much bickering and little real resolution or even discussion of important issues (Gleeb is right that things like clan trading, student exchange, and so on should be discussed, many of the gargs present probably want to discuss them, but first the clans need to get past the issue they're on and to those issues, and if they can't cooperate on this first issue, well…:( This is my opinion coming from sitting in on a lot of debates in high school and college, also participating in several of them, and more often than not seeing events similar to what's been going on at the Council so far). Overall the ep was nicely written and well-done- I just have a few issues with it. First, Elisa's announcing the engagement to her parents seemed a little thrown-in, too much of an obvious counterpoint to the Council's not accepting them. Patrick also brings up some good points about the marriage concept (which jars me a bit too) and the dangerous lifestyle comment (I hope Peter will be seen to realize this issue soon, I agree with Patrick that it's weird that he doesn't). Second, I liked how Icarus seemed to get the heart of the matter about a lot of things better than anyone else and be cheerful so much of the time, but I did not like how in the process of revealing these traits he came across as a stuck-up know-it-all. Whatever his secret is, I have a bad feeling I'm not going to like it. :( Gleeb brought up some interesting possibilities though. Three, the main plot of the Council should have been dealt with more, Gleeb has brought up some very good points about there being too much negativity and antagonism toward the Manhattan Clan- I liked how it showcased diplomatic talks bogging down over one small issue blown out of proportion (that often happens in real life too) as well as Darius's manipulation skills and Goliath's character, but I agree that if it is allowed to ruin the Council we really got a characterization problem here. :P Hopefully Goliath will get more of a chance to defend himself and his clan to everyone next week, and take it. Except for the last one, these issues are small, I just thought I should mention them. Overall, the episode is good, I give it 8/10. Enjoyed the addition of another surprise at the end, can hardly wait to see what is done with it next week. (And can we please someday get a picture of the Balinor spectre in here? I bet he looks really cool! :)
**END SPOILERS, PART 1**
Kitainia - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:51:07 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.240.dlls.grid.net

-To Patrick Toman (On Demona, Thailog, and Andrea) -
Hah! That's exactly the same thing I was thinking. If I were Demona, I'd go to Andrea and get her hidden, then get to Nightstone and get things back under her control all while Thailog is sleeping. Then again... I'm not Demona. She's smart, but she tends to get very vengeful, and as a result, doesn't think the situation through half the time. Still, I agree that she would have found a way around Thailog's threat.

-To Greg (also about Demona)-
Why would she have to reveal anything to Andrea? She can be vague, or maybe tell a white lie. She can just explain that someone is out to get her, and is using Andrea as blackmail, which is the truth really. I'm sure Andrea, being a true friend to Demona and fully trusting her, would go along with it. (Besides, I think Andrea suspects Demona's true nature anyway, and could probably take a guess as to what was really going on.)

Later,
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:12:58 AM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Conspiracy Theorist> <<I came in too late to check last the week before last week's archive>>: You can always wait for Fire Storm and Lady Mystic to add it to the official archive. They're pretty good about it lately.

Kyryn> <<No one said that it wasn't going to continue>>: I would like to claim that I was voicing my support for the series in the chance that it was being considerd for replacement.

Warpmind> <<My machine eats Murphu for>>: But you'd think that Murphy would be able to sneak through often enough to get at a vacuum tube.
<<while the first episode of Ranma downloads s-l-o-w-l-y>>: Can I laugh now?

DPH> <<Her outfit was not as skin-tight as today's outfits are>>: I blame lack of appropriate costuming materials at the time.

Aaron> <<There's gotta be a smart ass response here, but I just can't find it>>: At least it wasn't as bad as the big groin.
<<Click my link for a set of MiSTs>>: Which link? the one you forgot to paste?

Fire Storm> <<is anyone else getting a 500 Internal Server Error when trying to access the adult GFW?>>: Yo.

Now for the next somg in the current mp3 progression. this time, you get Silence is Golden my the Tremoloes.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:03:13 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Question: Why? Answer: Cause I just can't help myself.

Doug: Maybe you didn't read Pistoff's post closely enough.
PLEASE, just for me, PLEASE just once make a fist and NOT agree with EVERYONE about EVERYTHING. It's amusing to see you agree (for example) with Fred on one topic (the rape scene) and then totally agree with Pat on the same topic (the rape scene), when the two have very different philosophies on the same topic, but it's also a hell of a contradiction. Don't try and please everyone all of the time.

Troll: One could submit a theory that, when the initial sh!t hit the fan, the "staff" didn't do a very good job of handling things, and that is why, months later, the stench remains.

Greg: Say, I'm starting a Paul Allan Nathans fan club? Wanna join? No? How about a King of Infallibility yahoo group?!!! I'll make the t-shirts, but you gotta promise to wear them.

Okay, I've been a big enough prick for tonight.
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:03:12 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Shinigami > Don't feel too bad... I haven't posted a G2K diary yet either... or even the few pics I got that came out halfway decent.

Jalapeno contest > Along a similar vein, the local FOX station here is doing a "Cleveland Survivor Challenge" contest for a trip to down under... and last week's challenge involved eating as many BW3 (Buffalo Wild Wings) "Blazin" wings as possible without having any water. Which IMO is even crazier than the G2K jalapeno challenge.

Doug > Thanks for clarifying. :)

Greg > Demona needed even reveal herself to Andrea, though, to put such a plan into effect. She was obtaining the help of hired mercenaries ("The Mirror") before she even had the benefit of being human by day. Granted, Andrea probably wouldn't be all to happy at first about being kidnapped and taken away... but I'm sure she'd understand when a week or two later Dominique is finally able to explain why it was necessary. But again... just IMHO. :)
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:45:57 PM
IP: acb567e7.ipt.aol.com

Spacebabie::Trenchcoats>>>They look cool but I can't where them. I mean I was sweating just seeing Aaron wearing one at the gathering.>>
Actually, I've been wearing mine ever since Aaron bought me it. (Which we've established he did cuz he knows I would've stolen his [coat] otherwise.) and It's actually really good when it comes to being warm int he cold and cool in the heat. Gotta love that leather.<< I bet Aaron would have been sweating if he participated in a certain contest with Mara. >> LOL. Speaking of the jalepeno eating contest, I know I never posted up a Gathering Diary. (Which they're really was no point in doing since it would probably be upsetting and or depressing for some people to read; leave it at that.) but I had made the mistake of rubbing my eyes prior to washing my hands after the contest. Big mistake. Ouchie. my eyes were watering through out the Bad Guys promo, I had to even switch from my chair to the floor to get a better view. (and get all the more closer to His Excellency, Greggy-poo)The lesson in this? if your want to prove you have mondo balls for a chick by eating seven jalepenos (plus the stems!!!!!) before finally drinking that damn water... dont touch your face afterwards.

Now touching the eyes of people who are annoying may have been a better idea.

Shinigami
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:01:33 PM
IP: ac9b832c.ipt.aol.com

Patrick: I agree with his opinion of the concept of such scenes, not of the scene itself. Sorry I didn't make that more clear. Glad I was right on the money about your reasons for writing such a scene. As for my own reasons being similar, well, you know what they say about great minds.

GXB: No time for IM tonight, sorry. I did get your e-mail though, and will reply to it soon.
Doug
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 09:48:12 PM
IP: pool-63.52.171.76.dlls.grid.net

Patrick> Good comment on Demona. My take on her when I wrote that particular story was that would entail too much for Demona. She'd have to give up too many of her secrets, like who she really is, and she's too paranoid to do that and doesn't trust Andrea with that information... yet. Does that mean she eventually will? Well, you'll have to wait and see. But Demona is taking both the easy and hard way out with this situation.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 09:45:34 PM
IP: dialin-159-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Latest TGS story > I've just got time for a few small comments right now.

** WARNING - TGS SPOILERS **

Elisa is a cop, and her father, Peter Maza, was a cop, too. Yet in that one scene he's warning her that GOLIATH has a "dangerous lifestyle." 1) As if she doesn't already know that, and 2) as if hers isn't just as dangerous if not more so. This just seemed like a weird thing for him to say (weirder, even then the fact that Goliath wasn't present when Elisa was telling her parents the news). It reminded me of an episode of "Cops" I saw a few weeks ago, where the female officer they were riding with was talking about her husband also being an officer in an adjacent jurisdiction, and how great it is to be married to another cop because only another cop understands the hours, the job, and the stress. And even though Goliath is technically not a police offer, that interpreation just seems more to me like how Elisa and her father would see it if they were to stop and think about it for a moment or two.

Also... it's jarring to me the way Goliath, Elisa, and even Demona (who should be the most fervent purist among them when it comes to the gargoyle way) keep saying Goliath and Elisa are "getting married." Marriage is a HUMAN concept... and I really thought after "Seeds of Change" the distinction had been made clear. So I guess I'll just keep watching, and seeing where this goes... especially when Goliath and Elisa finally have a ceremony.

And one random semi-related comment on Demona. Demona is cunning and crafty. Even if she IS worried about Thailog harming Andrea, how hard could it be to overcome that obstacle? Thailog is not holding Andrea prisoner with a knife to her throat... so why can't Demona do her own version of the witness protection program, and make Andrea conveniently vanish into hiding? Once she is hidden away, Thailog's threat would be moot.

** END SPOILERS **

Doug > I don't quite follow how you can say that you agree with Pistoff's opinion of the scene in "Mistress of Dreams" without having read it yourself. Especially after you then go on to explain a similar scene you once wrote for one of your own fics, and I see many of the same reasons and motivations expressed for why it was done that kathy and I had for the scene in our story. Contrary to what I know some want to believe, we did NOT write our scene for the purpose of glorifying rape. We, too, were exploring how our focal characters (in our case, Elisa, Fox, and Angela) would react to traumatic events. We simply chose to use mixed-up magic as the seed, and made the conflict for our characters originate as an internal one, between the conscious and subconsious mind, rather than as a result of a real-life event.

Pistoff > For someone who also uses an alias / pen name, you sure seem intent on giving us grief over "Madame Destine." If people were angry at us over the small charade at the Orlando Gathering, I'm sure t heard we'd have heard their complaints already. But to the contrary... everyone in the room when the identity of Madame Destine was revealed seemed rather amused by it. No different than the reaction to the revelation of Merlin Missy as "Nancy Brown" at Gathering 1997.

School shootings > Question... why does the primary focus of the media and school administrators seem to keep going towards either gun control or "detecting these disturbed kids early," rather than going at what is with almost every subsequent incident being revealed as the REAL source of the problem: bullying and intimidation of the "uncool" kids by the "cool" kids? When are we going to start teaching our nation's young adults that it's not "cool" to be a [what Dubya called that reporter], going around taunting and beating up anyone you decide you don't like? Why does this kind of behavior get brushed off as "just a normal part of high school"? Of course, I'm not saying getting a skateboard stolen justifies getting an Uzi and opening fire in the cafeteria... but it just seems to me that some of the focus needs to be put on the other end of the problem, as well... so rather than just "detecting" disturbed teens, maybe fewer of them will be created in the first place.
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 09:39:11 PM
IP: acb56c12.ipt.aol.com

::Listening to Barenaked Ladies' "Rock Spectacle::

Kaioto: Amen on the Lex bashing stuff. And, sorry to bring up tails again, but can we see gargoyles using them in combat a little more? I remember Lex being quite deadly with his tail many times from the TV show, and he really should have given Aurora a good butt whipping, literally. As for Broadway, I knew from the moment they hooked up that he would become HER b*tch. Its just who Broadway is. He probably thinks its all romantic and Angela doesn't know any better, having been raised on a magical island stuck in the middle ages with chivalry and all the crap. Something else you must remember is that puberty does that sort of thing to friends, even the three amigos (Broadway, lex, and Brooklyn). Many people in here probably remember being all chummy with someone until the opposite sex rolled along and suddenly things weren't quite like they used to be. I remember Lex saying during one TGS ep "and then there was one" or something like that. Its so true. In order for the Trio to find mates and have families, some of the focus on them and their cameraderie (sp?) had to be destroyed.

Tails: I hate to bring this up again, but I think a lot of you misinterpreted what I meant. the "dirty tail trick" as some of you have referred to, wasn't what I had in mind. I'm distrubed enough to have already thought of that. I was referring to other, possibly CREATIVE ways to use a tail.

Warpmind: <<y'know, the kind often served with coffee>>: When Murphy drinks coffee, does he always spill it on himself right before a date?

DPH: <<providing GOOD parents instead of providing mentors>>: I think its a silent confession that we can't improve the parents...sad as it may be.

Pistoff: I think you're really cool. And I mean that in all honesty. You rant as bitterly as I do. That rules. Will you be at Gathering? <<Madame Destine stuff>>: LOL. But don't forget that some people are attracted to trashy girls (hell, its the only way some people can get any, um, not that I speak from personal experience or anything...). <<Keyboard still sticky>>: EWWWW! I completely understand your views on porn scenes. I happen to enjoy them, not from sticky-keyboard kind of way but just to watch people try to write down their fantasies. Somehow, they rarely come across right, and I get a good laugh. <<how much this CR "clan" cares>>: Look, its not perfect. We all try to be friends here. We all try to support everyone. But when a flame war starts, people take sides. It just what happens. <<made me decide at one point to NEVER let anyone push me around ever again>>: I'm starting to think we're the same person. Could you be my even more pissed off and bitter alter-ego (hard to imagine)?

Aaron: <<sounds like the time mine had to borrow my car>>: I make my dad leave me a deposit and promise to fill up the tank when he drives my car. I don't even LET my mom drive my car (women drivers, no survivors).

LC/Rayvn confusion: NO DUH! I knew that after a day or two in the CR.

Doug: <<I can't really take sides>>: Wuss. 8-) j/k

Gleeb: Good points on TGS all around.

I'm starting to notice just how similiar everyone in this CR is, despite our age differences. Many of us have shared similiar experiences growing up and reacted to them in the same ways. I guess I shouldn't be so surprised, I should have known that a place like this would draw a certain kind of person.

If you do that again, I will be forced to hurt you with extreme prejudice.
-Brain, "Pinky and the Brain"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 08:59:56 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-83.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Sorry for the notoriously long post. Per Coyote's request, he wanted me to post what I have been telling him about the following incidents:

Re: Access to guns. >> Scary to think that today's society, guns are becoming more and more accessible. I think it was here that I read one has to be 21 to buy alcohol yet one only has to be 18 to buy guns.

My father's been an avid gun collector before my brother and I was born. So growing up, we had guns (shells, bullets, gun parts, etc.,) in our house under lock and key in a room down in the basement.

I can't argue what would be an ideal age group to be allowed to obtain the guns. Nor do I want to argue that guns should be owned by anyone. The key to gun safety in my opinion is that all guns should have a 'child trigger lock' on them and that its the parent's (or any adults) responsibilities to show and teach children the pro's and con's a handling and owning a gun.


Re. School Shootings aka Kids bullying other kids aka Kids wanting to hurt themselves or take their own lives. >>
Kids get teased all the time. Tho we may never know the 'real' reason as to why it is done. Peer pressure? From what I have read from a few a you, I wished I was in your shoes when it comes to being bullied.

I grew up hearing impaired, and perhaps the only one in my immediate area, plus it was in a 'era' where having a disability is looked down upon by everyone (especially adults) and is expected that you were sent to a special school (private and/or spec. ed). Hense the stereotyped phrase: 'deaf and dumb'. So I had to work harder to show not only my peers but my teachers and my peer's parents that I can do just as well as any hearing peers can. In fact, I've gone beyound 'just as well'... I've actually was better then most. For years I have been verbally and emotionally abused due to my impairment and had very little *real* friends and literally build a wall around myself to separate me from the outside. It wasn't until moving to Michigan in '91 that I had to relearn how to make friends thru a counselor and my 'circle of friends'.

Even w/ those experiences not once had I ever thought about taking one's or even my own life. Even w/ access to my father's gun collection, that though has never crossed my mind. I wonder if it was perhaps that I have seen this action taken first hand. I have witnessed a classmate shot and killed himself. Witnessed a classmate constantly cutting herself. Knew a few people who were victims of child abuse. People who were victims of rape and sexual assault. People who were drug users. People who were alcholics. People who have died in car accidents (sleeping at the wheel to drunk driving).

Even w/ dealing with my own 'issues' I have grown up in a community that is split and stereotyped among incomes (lower, middle and upper). I've been around people who had egos, self esteem issues, relationship issues, etc., By having these experience, I usually relate them to people who needed and wanted someone to listen to them. In fact there were times that I have been told that I should be a couselor. I liked to think that I'm already am.
XenaTrek - [XenaTrek@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 08:40:47 PM
IP: dialup-63.209.124.212.orlando1.level3.net

Greg> See, I _Told_ you I was the King of Infallibility. You didn't believe me. ;-)
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:52:20 PM
IP: 1cust114.tnt3.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Yes, you're right. I'll do so.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:44:03 PM
IP: dialin-159-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Greg> Well, if you weren't mocking _me_ I'm not sure you should've made the comment at all. I think one of the points of what I've been saying is take a step back and stop taking personal digs at one another in here (even without naming names), since it is likely only going to serve to cause more problems. You catch my drift?
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:40:27 PM
IP: 1cust114.tnt3.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Gleeb> "What exactly, is stopping Demona from just waltzing back into Nightstone’s offices during the daytime as Dominique? I mean, what can Thailog do to stop her?"

Thailog threatened to have Andrea killed if she interfered. Andrea became Demona's weakness, and Demona is ashamed of that. I can't say anymore, but things will get interesting with Demona. Yes, indeed.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:36:52 PM
IP: dialin-159-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hi everyone!

Just got the chance to read the new Chapter. It was nice to see a bit more development in some of the characters. I have to admit though, I don’t quite understand Darius’ actions. So what exactly does he want to do? Take over *all* the different Gargoyle clans? Why? And since when does Demona want this? Oh well... I guess Demona is actually more in character now than she has been lately, so I shouldn’t complain. It’s just... unexpected. I was thinking she’d currently be spending most of her time and resources trying to get Nightstone back.... Which brings me to another question...
What exactly, is stopping Demona from just waltzing back into Nightstone’s offices during the daytime as Dominique? I mean, what can Thailog do to stop her?
Ah, but I digress.
Getting back to my thoughts on the current episode.
Why is it, that humans have been the main focus for two thirds of the meeting so far? I mean, I understand that they are a main concern, but I should think that the main focus of the meeting would be for the different clans to get to know one another. Maybe they could find out what sorts of things the different clans needed and see if a good trade set up could be made. I also thought that a sort of “student exchange” would be discussed, much like what’s been going on between the English & Scottish clans. So far, the first two days have consisted of Goliath saying “Humans are a big issue” and everyone else starting up an argument over it and generally acting like hatchlings. It just doesn’t seem at all realistic to me.

Aurora is getting better. Still as bitchy as she was in the last chapter, but it’s good to see how she feels about not being able to save members of her clan during the unseelie attack, as well as her desire to learn medicine. Again, I see reasons why an exchange should be discussed. She could learn from a clan that has a doctor, or healer or whatever. Or perhaps a clan with extra healers can send one to live with the Antarctic Gargoyles for a while. (I still have big issues with the idea of a clan living there in the first place though.)

I’ve taken quite a liking to Icarus. His ability to see the positive side of any situation, cheery disposition, amazing memory, and acute attention to detail make him a perfect candidate to lead the Council, should it become an annual event (which I suspect it will). Ah, but he seems to have a secret. How very interesting. Personally, I’m willing to bet on one of two things:
1. Like so many other inhabitants of New Olympus, he has a bit of Fay blood in him.
or
2. He’s been mechanically enhanced (Similarly to Lexington), or is possibly some other result of the New Olympian’s superior technology.

I guess I’ll find out in time. :)

Moving on.
Delilah quotes, “There are two clans in Manhattan. Goliath's, and the Labyrinth. Neither Demona nor myself belong to Goliath's clan, though we are all friends and allies.”
Nice way of avoiding the Demona issue, but is the Labyrinth really located in Manhattan? I always assumed it was in one of the other boroughs of New York City, or possibly just outside the city altogether. Manhattan really isn’t that big and it’s so highly populated. Unless the Labyrinth was part of the sewer system, there is no way realistically it could be in Manhattan, and even if that were the case it’s still hard to fathom. (Forgive me if I’m wrong here, but I seem to remember the Labyrinth being an abandoned laboratory. Is this correct?)

The scenes with Lexington, Aurora, and Kirstie confused me. What was that ongoing thing about spilling a drink? The story seemed to change a bit each time it was brought up. At one point, I *think Kirstie was supposed to be hiding and listening in on the other two talking, but It just wasn’t explained well. Half the time during that scene, I couldn’t figure out which one of the two others Lex was talking to.

Overall, the chapter was good. My only real gripe is where the conflict of story is focused on. During the long wait for these council chapters to be posted, I imagined a lot of different possibilities for the story, but I *Always felt that the different clans would overall, have a positive outlook on the meeting and that any major conflicts that would arise would be external.

At one point, Goliath credit’s Xanatos, saying that if it weren’t for him, his clan wouldn’t have survived. Chiang Yun actually says, “And then we’d all be better off.” Whoa... That’s intense. Why is she so full of hate? Later on, she (Or it could have been Mei Hsing. It was one the Chinese Gargoyles at least) outright accuses the Manhattan clan of consorting with Unseelies. What kind of nonsense was that? Why didn’t the Manhattan clan defend themselves by explaining their use of energy shields, iron bells, etc? It just sort of skipped to the next scene after that, without giving our guys a chance to explain themselves.
Then there is Darius, who has come off looking downright evil, with his Necromancy spells (Ick!), ideas to take over all the clans, and planned backstabbing of Demona.
Everyone seems to be against Goliath. Even those who I thought would support him seem to give him the silent treatment when he needs defending the most. (Avalon, London, and others.)
None of this seems right. Especially coming from Gargoyles. Am I the only one who feels everyone is out of character?

Still, I love that conversation between Icarus and Chiang Yun towards the end. (Icarus rules)
And poor Demona, she’s setting herself up for a major blow. Oh well, can’t say she wasn’t warned.

That is all,
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:32:10 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Kaioto> I wasn't calling you infallible either. Just thought you should know.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:30:52 PM
IP: dialin-159-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

I know I'm not infalable, certainly [especially my spelling ;-) ]. I'm just lazy. There is no way in heck I want to have to worry about dealing with a _Recycled_ flame war. Once was enough, please and thank you. Settle personal conflicts elsewhere, please, at least until my schedule clears up some. It seems a much better plan to let each other be and try to have a good time rather than get into a contest of urinating on each other's backs and baiting one another. If I wanted that, I'd have signed on as an Op somewhere on IRC ::shudders:: ick.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:27:49 PM
IP: 1cust114.tnt3.brockton.ma.da.uu.net

Hey firestorm: Ya I got blocked out too, took me a while to find this place... What is it?
Geist
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:17:11 PM
IP: user19.net060.lv.sprint-hsd.net

Me again.

Doug> Did you get my e-mail? Also if you've got free time, would you like to meed on AIM?
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 06:35:55 PM
IP: dialin-159-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Doug> No, I don't mean you.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 06:31:57 PM
IP: dialin-159-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

GXB: <King of Infallibility> :) I hope you didn't mean me by that. I am in no way infallible.
Doug
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 06:29:36 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.255.dlls.grid.net

Just dropping by again...

Coyote: Sent you another email to your 1134 addy. :)

Kyryn: Responded to an old email you sent via your bmashburn addy. :)

Hope you both recieve them. Bye!
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 05:43:57 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Robby>Sorry about that. If you sent it to eaherit and not jpherit, than I haven't seen it cause it's on my other computer and I rarely check that one. I'll do it today as soon as I stop putting it off. :)

*grumble grumble* I tried asking the guy I like out, but he has a deabte tournament this weekend. I'll have to wait until next weekend. *grumbles more*

*sigh* I had the opportunity to go to Japan this summer with my classmates in an exchange program, but I won't be able to go cause it costs way too much. :( Damn, I wish I was an only child!!! >:/
Beth H.
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 05:41:45 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

FS> Yeah, me too.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 05:34:51 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Hey... is anyone else getting a 500 Internal Server Error when trying to access the adult GFW?
Fire Storm
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 05:32:10 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

::Steps in and bows down in awe to the King of Infallibility::
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 05:22:04 PM
IP: dialin-159-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

In the shock scene bit under point 5, I meant to add "Such a plot arc would get me much attention from readers, or so I hoped." Left it out by accident, I'm sorry. <departs>
Doug again
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 05:02:59 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.189.dlls.grid.net

Pistoff: A few points I feel I should make-

1. I intended no comparison of Sam Clemens and Madame Destine except on the issue of whether using a pseudonym means someone is not proud of the work they write. I agree they are from different genres of writing, comparing them really can't be done.

2. I think your whole problem with the Tiger Woods impersonator deal is not the guy's punishment- it's who the victim was. Now, granted, you may be right that if he'd impersonated some nobody he wouldn't have gotten a similar punishment, but you shouldn't damn the whole issue just because of that IMO. After all, you have no proof but your own confidence that you are right or wrong about things. <shrugs> Personally I share your anger over not seeing people who do wrong get their just desserts a lot of the time, but that doesn't make me any less happy when a bad guy, any bad guy, gets theirs. And IMO identity theft is a very serious bad thing to do. Hopefully this guy's punishment will set an example for other criminals and judges across the nation. One can hope so, anyway.

3. As for convicted murderers often getting less than ten years, well, yeah, I can understand your anger about that. However, consider these two points- statiscally, murder is the crime that spawns the most repentant offenders and those least likely to do it again, and maximum security prison in America is very close to Hell. If one can be made to repent their sins and change their ways, I think ten years in Hell is enough. I'd rather have former criminals out walking the streets again after ten years and being productive citizens if they can than having to wait fifty years and having them come out like Brooks in Shawshank Redemption. If the murderer in question is still a bad guy after ten years, well, I try to trust our parole boards enough to keep him where he belongs for as long as is necessary. Yes, I do agree the purpose of our criminal justice system is to punish the bad guys, but we must be willing and able to forgive them if doing so is right and just.

4. Your memory of the long-ago flame war may be clearer than mine. <sigh> Personally, I would rather forget that whole thing and keep it buried, like Kaioto. But some people have to keep bringing it back up... I want you to know that I did intend to support you, no matter how it looked otherwise. I just wanted to support the other people also, since they made some good points, and above all I wanted to stand for the peace and tranquility of this comment room. Thus I could not really take sides. If you couldn't understand that and still can't, well, that's your problem. Because of your self-confessed unwillingness to accept any apologies concerning what happened, among other things, I don't think this deal will ever be resolved, nor am I sure I care. There are many better more important things to spend our time with in here. That's all I'm going to say about that.

5. I agree with you about the rape scene in "Mistress of Dreams," though I have never read the story. Such scenes in erotic fanfics have always disturbed me, for all the reasons you listed. I too would take issue with such a scene in any fic I enjoyed. However, I feel I must point out I too have written such a scene- in "Elysium" Rachel Xanatos is raped by JC Bailey while high on drugs, not only that she helps make the event happen (read the story to see how) and enjoys the experience right up until waking up after it's over, the drugs making her unable to feel any other way. The fact that I wrote that scene does not mean I like seeing women get raped, nor that I support men using drugs to get women to go to bed with them, nor does it mean I am a disturbed individual. I didn't write the scene for those reasons. I wrote it because it fitted with the story and the arc that I wanted to take Rachel and JC through as well as Fox, Xanatos, Graeme, Alex, and many other characters who were affected by the event happening. I also wrote it as a kind of "shock scene," I wanted to take some characters through a disturbing event and then show them dealing with it, thus making the story realistic and dramatic. Now, granted, such a scene's place in an erotic story would have different reasons behind it, but it being there still doesn't mean the writers are disturbed individuals. Maybe it fits with the story's plot and the character arcs they wanted to write, maybe they wanted a shock scene too, maybe they themselves were very disturbed by the scene even as they wrote it (I know I was bothered by the scene with JC and Rachel I wrote, and NOT in a good way) and they thought their target audience wouldn't be or wanted to see it for whatever reason. I haven't read the story, I don't know. You are right that we all put a part of ourselves into the scenes and characters we write, but that doesn't mean our stories can be used to write complete psychological profiles of us. Do you like to inflict depraved extreme violence on innocent people like Bronkowski and co. did in Injustice For All? I really hope not.

6. On passing judgement, I never said passing judgement on Patrick and Kathy's writing was off-limits. I just said it was unfair to pass judgement on them as people like you were last week just because you didn't like their writing. I can't ever remember seeing anybody do that with you because of all the disturbing violence and sex bits in your fics (and if you don't think it's disturbing, well...). Thus I think it is unfair for you to be doing it with other people. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

7. You are right about passing judgement, very good points there. I agree that when someone writes intensely erotic, violent, or controversial in any way stories they should expect to catch some flak, maybe even deserve it from a certain viewpoint. However, the same thing can be said about you and your fics as about Patrick & Kathy and theirs. I can't help but notice you're ignoring that, taking for granted that it won't happen, or remaining comfortable with what you write even despite the flak and not caring what other people think. Ever considered that maybe you're not the only one doing this? Let him who has no sin cast the first stone. And no, before you say it, I am not damning you because of your sins in writing, whatever they may be. I'm simply pointing out a side of this debate you're ignoring, or so it seems to me.

8. I was not just passing judgement on Matthew McConaghey when I said he was an asshole. I was stating a fact. Anybody who walks up to a total stranger (like Kit was to him on the night in question), says "Hey, you look like a pretty fine skanky slut. Wanna come have some fun with me?", then calls the stranger's significant other a "fat four-eyed zitface" and questions his manhood when he stands up to challenge them for the comments they just made, and then tries to tell the bouncer who intervenes to stop the fight about to happen he can't throw him out of the club where they are because of who he is, is being an asshole. Pure and simple. There is no debate about it as far as I am concerned.

That's all I feel the need to say. I could comment on some other issues you raised in your post, but I think I may be stretching Kaioto's patience enough with what I've said already. I agree with him- we need to get this room back to friendly and civil. If that flame war that happened long ago can't be resolved for whatever reason, let's just put it aside and move on. Anybody who's still mad about something related to it can take their problems out of here. That's all on the issue from me.
Doug
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 04:56:32 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.189.dlls.grid.net

:: A particular troll waddles his way out from under his bridge, grumbling. ::

Let’s keep it civil, huh? I'd rather nip this cleanly if I can. I think I’ll abuse my awe-inspiring powers of repression and censorship instead.

All kidding aside, this flame war and the following blame-game was all canned months ago. That status hasn’t changed. It is still canned.

Please, do not continue or spawn any more threads of "He/she said/did this or that" or "I’m innocent / their guilty" or "So and so is a bad person." The discussion is closed. If you’d like to continue any discussions of blame-placing, finger-pointing, spin-doctoring, or "fact"-correcting, please, I’m sure everyone is mature enough to take it up in private email.

Better still, if enough people are interested, someone could start a fun Yahoo Group like "groups.yahoo.com/I-was-wronged-in-the-flamewar"

I honestly don’t care, but keep it off this board. It will not serve as a platform for personal bickering nor a media for spinning your yarn about what happened. If you want to "tell someone what you really think about them" email them. If you really feel compelled to sell your side of things to the newbies or anyone else, you could always email them. Of course, they can always delete what you send. Those are the breaks. This forum is not going to be used to add semi-permanence and high-exposure to that sort of content, no matter how justified you may think such a use is. Thank you.

In shorter words, "No more," and "Not again."

On the issue of Nathans, let it just be said that however he aggravated whomever, it is bad form to talk down about him behind his back. I’d like to preempt a "Why I don’t/didn’t like P.A.N." thread as well. We all have our explanations about how we feel, but since many of them would involve saying bad things about his character behind his back I’d rather leave that discussion in the dirt.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled oppressed police state.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 03:59:42 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

And, making an unscheduled early appearence.

Christine> You don't like the Dark Tower books?!? ;)

Wilek> <<Video? As in porn?>> Well, I suppose, but it was supposed to be a Video Girl Ai riff. <<Besides, I think the appeal lies not in the subject but in the technique>> And there we agree. We just apply it differently. :) <<Although they are a sign of great resilience to pain. O_o'>> Eeeeh, not really. Unless they're facial, or asian gang tattoos. Like the guy from Crying Freeman had. (Or anything done the traditional needle and ink way, from before modern technology)

Lain> <<.. I had lots of fun cos I got to say, "now dad.. if you're going to be out late or your plans change, make sure you call me to tell me where you are...">> lol. That sounds like the time mine had to borrow my car, and I made him go through a whole "Gee dad, do you promise to be extra careful with it?" routine. Glad things are working out okay.

Jannie> Well hey, if the military was dumb enough to nearly let Ed Bradly get blown up while doing a piece on location in 'Nam... Heard the news out of Palm Beach county BTW? Gore by 738 votes! And you do know Buchannon himself admitted there was no way those votes were for him, right? <<setting off the metal detector>> Just tell them, "I have a pacemaker." And, should you ever *want* to take something through an airport or courthouse, you'll have a perfect excuse.

Warpy> <<And I was kinda betting on Gside to make a correct identification first. };)>> Well, Demi crossed into the furry anthology Wild Kingdom, so that's where I know her from. Don't suppose you'd like to mail me the link?

Gleeb> <<So they went to the gathering in their underwear?>> Sounds like a great plan to me. Oh, you didn't mean that Gathering, did you? (Still trying to bait Gunjack into odds)

Lady Corax/Ravyn> Yeah, I knew. I wouldn't forget the only NBA fan besides me and Emmambu. And I'd pick one or the other, ‘cause right now, you look like a really kinky fic. ;)

Gunjack> The gold bricks and lemon peels quote is from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I thought you knew that. You've made several other HgttG references. (I think)

Robby> <<Aaron- You've actually heard of Omaha the cat dancer? Not to mention actually READ it?>> Heard of it, read it, own the first five TPBs. (And I think the sixth has *finally* come out. Hope hope) << That does it, thats one similarity too many. I'm your clone.>> Either that, or we're both clones of Joxter, since he's older then us.

Gside> <<I deal with many jikes as if they were serious issues. Though I even did consider the underwear thing before my fist comment on the subject.>> There's gotta be a smart ass response here, but I just can't find it.

Pissy> <<Well, maybe not in 80+ degree weather. My duster is leather and weighs about 25 pounds, so after a while I'd start to smell bad. ;)>> Well, it's not something I do under normal circumstances, (Today being the exception. C'mon, it was 50 out this morning, how did I know?) but for the Gathering... (Of course, it was 15-20 degrees cooler in Orlando the it was in Texas at the time, so I didn't even think about it)

Spacebabie> Ah, you forget, I'm built like a bundle of sticks, so I don't retain much heat. And like I said, your hometown in summer was 15-20 degrees cooler then my hometown. But yes, the jalapeno (pronounced JA-la-pen-oh by the gringos) eating contest might have finished me.

Hmm, this Sierra Mist is pretty good. And since I've hit the top of the room, I think I'll actually post on a Tuesday.

Click my link for a set of MiSTs by Robby's cousin. They're pretty fun, probably more so if you're into Tehchi.

Later.
Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 03:11:25 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Crzy>>I met you at the gathering here in Orlado and you are a pretty kewl person in real life

Pissy>>You know I respect you and I am glad your back and If I met you in RL I would probalby say the same

I just hope we can keep things civil. I don't want to feel like a kid being dragged through a divorce again.

Nathans>>Here's my gripe with him. Its not about what he said about Crhistine. Christine is a great write but she is no Shakspear. Nobody else is Shakspear, but Nathans did insult the Bard. He claims that Xenogeras is better than shakspear. Another thing about hims is that he comes of sooo arogant in his typing. Its like he has to be right all the time.

well enough of venom on a person

Bows head for Morton Downey

Robby>>I have NEXT on DVD so I'm recently started watchg it subbed. The original Xellos is voiced by the guy who did Fish eye.

Speaking of Sailormoon is anyone else going to see R this friday? I have it onvhs subbed already and I heard bad things about the dub
best thing about the original version of the R moive. Midiorkawa Hiraku voices Fiore. this guys is sooo cool. He is also Zelgadis, Saionji,Heero Yui, and Tamahome...No da!

I also figured out why I like Jimmy Bond
Jimmy Bond=Gourry

Trenchcoats>>>They look cool but I can't where them. I mean I was sweating just seeing Aaron wearing one at the gathering. I bet Aaron would have been sweating if he participated in a certain contest with Mara.

ok I got schoolwork and rub some icy hot on my shoulder.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 02:54:50 PM
IP: user-37kaouo.dialup.mindspring.com

Ah, it's nice to see another person pretending to be happy that I'm back. ;)

Blargh...things around here are getting to the point where I can only post when I have a day off, assuming I'm not running around doing other stuff that can't be done while I'm at work. But...whatever. Time for some replies....

Weisman stuff: Yeah, I know he did other things for the show. But my problem is that a lot of people seem to think he was the whole of the machine rather than a part of the machine. Other people worked on the show, too, including Frank Paur and Michael Reaves. Let's not lose sight of that and deify Weisman the way Trekkies have deified Gene Roddenberry. And when I see comments about "spreading the wisdom and brilliance of Greg Weisman," it seems like deification to me. Or, at the very least, extreme ass-kissing. ;)

Gleeb: Yeah, people in here do seem sensitive about the Greg issue, and I think it's because they've gotten the idea that he's the other son of God or something, and they get a little hot under the collar when somebody suggests that not *every* single thing he's done is the work of a genius.

GXB: Okay, I think I see how this is. You seem to think it was acceptable for people to railroad me the way they did a few months ago; you seem to think it's perfectly fine for one of your friends to make an unprovoked personal attack on me and, when I had the nerve to get pissed about it, you said that *I* owed *her* an apology; you seem to think it's acceptable for you to call Paul Nathans an asshole and say that you'd ban him immediately if you were in charge, just because he said Christine isn't a "god" among writers; you seem to think it's acceptable for Christine to manipulate everyone in here into ganging up on Nathans for the same reason--yet when I say something you don't like about one of your friends, you start whining about how I shouldn't make personal attacks. The hypocrisy and selective blindness running rampant in here never cease to amaze and disgust me.

Doug: Okay, this is very interesting. First, your implied comparison of Madame Destine to Samuel Clemens--sorry, there is no comparison. Period. And about the pseudonyms--yeah, I know a lot of people use them. I use one myself in here, obviously. HOWEVER, anybody who has read any of my stories has seen that I put my *own* name on each and every one of them, even the earlier ones that I personally don't think were very good.

You want to know the problem I have with the whole "Madame Destine" thing? As someone who has been decieved and manipulated in the past, I don't find it amusing at all when someone pretends to be something they're not. Especially when one of the results is a guy running all over the hotel at the Gathering because he wants to hook up with Madame Destine (and why anybody would *want* to hook up with somebody with a name like that is beyond me, but what the hell...). I will give them credit for one thing, though--the name they chose is perfectly suited to the stuff they write, because it's trashy. A name like "Madame Destine" practically *screams* "I'm a wanna-be slut, but nobody wants to do me, so I have to write erotica so I can experience sex vicariously!" ;)

About personal attacks and passing judgement: Come on. Everybody passes judgement every day of their lives. When you talked about Matthew McConaughey being an asshole, or however you phrased it, you were passing judgement on him. When you talk about people you don't like, you're passing judgement on them. When you critique a story you've just read, you're passing judgement on it. When somebody reads one of Matt Watson's fics and says he's a terrible writer, they're passing judgement on him. When people make fun of him because he's bi and writes about falling in love with Brooklyn, they're passing judgement on him--but you seem to think that's acceptable, whereas passing judgment on Pat and Kathy's writing is off-limits. That is just so much bullshit. When someone decides to write the kind of stuff they write, they should *expect* to catch some flak from somebody. Some people might even go as far as to say that they *deserve* some flak about it.

I'm not saying that they're totally bad people or that I hate them or anything like that. However, all writers put a part of themselves into everything they write--our fics/stories come from our minds and souls--so it says a lot to me when someone writes something like that atrocious rape scene in "Mistress of Dreams." I know it was a dream scene, but I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, *anyone* who writes a scene that shows a woman enjoying being raped just plain has a screw loose (and the same goes for the artist who drew the disgusting picture that was used in the fic). Because we *all* know, whether some people admit it or not, that there are people out there who read a scene like that and get turned on by it--hell, that's the reason most people read porn in the first place. It's mysogynistic and perpetuates the myth that women want to be raped and enjoy it. I would take issue with something like that no matter *who* wrote it. That's why I'm being such a hardass about this, because I find it absolutely reprehensible, and I think it's equally heinous to see people either not bothering to think about it or patting them on the back and telling them what a "masterpiece" the fic was, no doubt neglecting to mention that the keyboard is still sticky as they write their compliments.

<<Yeah, people attacked you, but there were some of us who spoke out against it- remember? Kit and I were among them, I think.>> Ahem. Sorry, I have to disagree strongly here. Because I remember what happened and I remember who supported me. SJ, Jenna, Jannie, Jessie and Fire Storm supported me. Scott supported me. Jewel supprted me. A couple of other people supported me. Most other people either just kept their mouths shut or hung me out to dry. As for you, Doug...I remember what happened, and sorry, but that did not look like support. You posted a ridiculous email with a completely fictitious excuse for why those things happened, and then your whole attitude was like, "I agree with both of these people even though their opinions were complete opposites because I want to be *everybody's* friend." Well, it seems you don't remember how that worked out, since right here you made a little attempt to rewrite history. I made my feelings clear back then, when I emailed you about it, but apparently you misremembered certain details. <<I don't like the way you're expressing yourself and wish you'd quit it, if not apologize.>> The hell I will. Maybe I'd consider stopping if the people who tarred and feathered me would apologize, but I know that's not gonna happen. They have this "Oh, gee, I *never* do anything wrong! *He's* the bad guy!" attitude, and even if by some miracle they apologized, I would doubt the sincerity because of some of the other recent things I've seen going on in here. At this point, after I saw exactly how much this CR "clan" cares for and supports one of its own who is being gang-banged by the rest, I don't care if people don't like what I'm saying.

Anyhow, glad you enjoyed the story. I'll get Part 2 done as soon as possible. <<On your financial troubles, I too will be keeping you in my prayers. I can better see why you're so angry a lot of the time now that you've described your circumstances.>> Thanks, I appreciate that. <<Like it or not, we're all in this world together.>> That's something quite a few people need to be reminded of. <<<guy who impersonated Tiger Woods> I think his punishment is appropriate.>> Sorry, I gotta disagree with that one. It's just plain screwed up. I mean, are you honestly telling me that impersonating a friggin' GOLF PLAYER should land a guy in prison for life??? If that guy had impersonated some random, non-rich, non-famous person nobody had ever heard of, he would've gotten a slap on the wrist. Hell, even convicted murderers often get less than ten years--and you think a LIFE sentence is appropriate for a guy who IMPERSONATED someone? Holy crap. That's all I can say about that. Just...holy crap.

Warpmind: I see those glasses on eBay occasionally, and I think they can also be found at www.transmetropolitan.com. My problem is the price--no way in hell am I gonna pay 40 or 50 bucks or more for a pair of sunglasses that aren't even intended to be worn. ;)

New Star Trek series: I forgot about this last time. All I can say is...oh gawd, somebody please make it stop!!!!

TGS stuff: Yeah, I understand that using Greg Weisman's master plan was the *point* of starting the TGS series. That is exactly the problem I have with it. Sure, it can be said that any other fanfic "rips off" Weisman's ideas, but I think they only take some of the characters and write fresh, original stories about them; just speaking for myself, when I started writing my fics, I decided to make them as *different* from Weisman's plans as possible. TGS, however, seems to be intended from the beginning to simply copy a lot of what Weisman had already planned out. That doesn't interest me much, first of all because it's not an *original* idea, it's just using somebody else's plans; second, "fanfic by committee" has very little appeal to me, either--I mean, that's the way Star Trek episodes are written, and the result for years has been just horrible; third, one thing that really bothered me was when I saw somebody say that TGS is the "true continuation" of the TV series. Please. It's no more a "true continuation" than any other fanfic out there. TGS is just another fanfic series. Period.

One thing that happened with my fics when I was co-writing with Denis, was that I ended up getting stuck with a lot of TGS background. *Some* of the characters I don't mind using, like Sharon--I think she's rather interesting--and the idea of Arianna as a former porn star just puts a smile on my face. ;) But a lot of TGS characters and background popped up because I hadn't been reading TGS and didn't recognize the characters in Denis' outlines. Like Isaac Payne; I had no idea he was a TGS character until I saw someone mention him in here. That annoys me; I never intended for my fics to match up with events in TGS. Sooner or later, I'll have to rewrite all my old fics (Scott Iskow gave me feedback on some of the earliest ones, and I learned a lot more from what he didn't like than from what he did like--plot holes, things that were left out, ideas he gave me and so on), and when I do, most of that stuff is gonna vanish. Like the thing with Beth boffing Coyote--what disturbs me about that (and I wish I'd thought of it in the first place instead of just going along with the outline) is that Coyote looked like Beth's *father* in one of the TV episodes. When I finally remembered that, I felt like pus was rushing to my brain. So I'm gonna drop a lot of that stuff as soon as I can. In the meantime, I'll just do my best to ignore it.... :|

Ranma Saotome: <<I know it sounds crazy and I know what you mean, though there have been those amazing times when someone died and then shortly after the person died he/she was revived.>> Um...sure, there have been times when people died and were resuscitated--but that happens in cases like drowning or heart attacks. Then, it's possible. But you talked about killing oneself and then coming back to life. Okay, let's say a guy shoots himself in the head. Chances are, he's roadkill. If he used a hollow-point round, it would take the side of his head clean off. There's no coming back from that. Or, in one case quite a few years ago, a guy tried to kill himself with a shotgun but survived, and ended up with a face that looked like an arse. No thanks. I'd really prefer not to risk it. ;) <<I know what you mean interms of trenchcoats>> I'll be glad to see the day when people don't freak out just because of an article of clothing.

Coyote: <<the reason I never fought back was because of an incident in kindergarten when, because of my size, it was ASSUMED that I was the bully in a fight situation, and therefore I received the punishment.>> Oh man, that's rotten. I've been on the receiving end of that a few times--people deciding that I'm the bad guy or instigator in whatever situation, so I can sympathize. Most of what happened to me was psychological torment, and the physical stuff usually took the form of somebody off to the side throwing a pencil and hitting me in the head, and I couldn't see who had done it. I usually didn't fight back because there was one of me and several of them, and I was physically very small at that time, so fighting back would've meant even more pain than I was already getting. These were among the things that made me decide at one point to NEVER let anyone push me around ever again. It makes me look like an asshole quite often, but I don't care. The moment when I started letting the bullies know that I'd go medieval on them was the moment they began leaving me alone. Which is in itself a pretty sad reflection on society. If there had been better supervision, as you said, a lot of the things we all lived through wouldn't have happened. The teachers I had usually turned their backs on things like this, and when I tried to talk to them about it, I was told either to sit down and get to work or that they'd take care of it and then they never lifted a finger. If things like that don't change, we'll keep on seeing kids either shooting up their schools or committing suicide.

OJ defending himself: Wow. That should be interesting. Maybe he'll tell us who the "real" assaulter is. ;)

Favorite fic characters to write: That's a tough one. I have a lot of fun with all my original characters, and with the canon ones as well. Goliath is fun to mess with because he's so damn stiff all the time. At some point I'll probably have him reach that "enough is enough" stage and have a meltdown, and just start dealing on somebody who's just pushed him over the edge. Maybe if he hangs out with Jack enough, he'll loosen up. Just imagine Goliath snapping, "Oh, f--k you!" ;)

Jack is one of the most fun, I think. He's a lot like me, in that he's just a cranky bastard who has weird and/or bad things happening to him all the time. ;) His life is a tad weirder than mine, though. *Nothing* in his life even approaches "normal." Which at this point is probably starting to seem normal to him. :P But things are gonna get a whole lot weirder for him... Hmm, now that I think about it, recently I've been writing a lot more about my original characters than the canon ones...

Xander is also one I enjoy writing, particularly now that he's doing a radio show. He's sort of like Rick Emerson with wings and a beak. :P And I've got something in mind that will really make him squirm, and it begins with a bouquet of flowers sent by a secret admirer... ;)

Taura is really interesting for me because she has a severely poor self-image because of the way she looks, and also because she has a very strong sense of justice. The latter, especially, is something I can really relate to.

And Boiler...heh, what's not to like about Boiler? She's my ficverse's Official Sex Goddess. ;)>

I'm finding Demona more interesting to write now that I've returned her killer instinct to her. For a long time she was just too damn nice. Even if she's a "good guy," she should still have a mean streak and should still be capable of taking somebody's ass out. The "nice" stuff just isn't true to her character.

Otto is amusing, too, though he's sort of almost a one-trick pony. But then, I really haven't worked with him much recently. I've got some interesting developments ahead for him, though...

Willow should go through a lot of development now that she's found out that a guy she's attracted to is a murderer and an accessory to a mass slaughter... ;)

Hmm. Okay, enough rambling...

Aaron: <<Yeah, that happened to me in Orlando, right Mara? (So I was wearing a trenchcoat in 80 degree weather. BFD)>> Aggravating, isn't it? When most of the damage to society and the world is caused by people wearing suits and ties, it's frustrating to be singled out because of a trenchcoat. I wear one because I like the way it looks. Period. In any kind of weather. Well, maybe not in 80+ degree weather. My duster is leather and weighs about 25 pounds, so after a while I'd start to smell bad. ;)

Very good point about the media getting bored with the school shootings. I remember that happening when people shot up post offices and McDonalds and so on--first it was all over the news, then it started to fade away. They always start looking for the next big thing. Which is why they're partly to blame for all of this, because it's sensationalized and put across almost as if it's entertainment. It's like Al Franken said, "The line between news and entertainment has been eaten away like the cartilage in David Crosby's septum."

Wilek: Ack, I keep forgetting to thank you for that rockin' welcome back you posted a while back. So, thank you. :D <<Got your e-mail, will respond...if I can subjugate RL for long enough.>> Take as long as you need. :) I've been agonizingly slow at replying to emails, myself, because of RL circumstances. And come to think about it, I've been neglecting my own message board for too long... :| <<One of many things I admire about you is that you do nothing in half measures. >8)>> <bows> Thank ye. I often try not to hold anything back. I'm not the kind of guy who kisses people's asses just to keep them from yelling at me. >;) I prefer to just call 'em the way I see 'em. <<And hmm, the railgun in Quake 3 leaves Matricine silhouettes of passage..>> Oooooohhhh... <drools> :) <<My gods...a very dear friend of mine has gone through something like this; he spent thirteen years in Hell and recieved no reward for his trouble but a nihilistic streak and a god complex (understandable since he was an intellectual giant compared to those sacks of crap and has the awards to prove it); according to his firsthand accounts, an inch either way and he would have simply snapped like an old harpsichord string. "They just want to be friends with you and would leave you alone if you'd just let them." Right. Try telling them that while those little MFSOBs are trying to push you down a flight of stairs and the stupid slob faculty doesn't lift a finger to help.>> Damn, man...that sounds a lot like what I went through at school--the faculty pretty much shrugged it all off. I'm glad your friend made it through as well as he did. <sigh> This is the reason I finally decided not to take any crap from anybody. Even if I get my head busted, it's better than just letting somebody walk all over me. :| <<I don't know; that could get dirty if the fracture breaks the skin really badly or something.>> Heh, you think that could be dirty? Remember the spikes on Boiler's tail? They point backwards along the length of the tail. So for her, the "dirty tail trick" isn't much of an option because just imagine the kind of damage it could do on the way out. >;) <<Gah... >:/ Will people ever learn...>> I doubt it. I'm still getting customers who ask things like, "What comes on a pepperoni pizza?" <<Why is it that the insides of computers are designed to be very difficult to alter, despite the much-lauded ease of doing so?>> That's probably a deliberate attempt to discourage people from spending less money to modify an existing computer and spend more money on a brand new one every couple of years. <<Maybe I can pick up where the Joyride left off, if I can find it...where did it leave off for my characters? Phred? Warpzy? ^_^>> Hmm...I don't remember exactly what happened when it left off. Maybe Warpmind still has a chronicle of it on his site... :)

Doug again: <<Oh, I've tried bdsm. And believe me, once was enough.>> GACK! Um...that's more information than I needed. O_o

Knight Rider 2020: I must've blinked at the wrong time, because I missed it. Thank god. ;)

"Humans fear what they don't understand.": Variations of this are sometimes used as excuses or brush-offs when the person who uses them isn't capable of thinking up a valid counterpoint and has to resort to smartass remarks and cheap shots. :)

Jannie: <<Michael was running his metal detector over the room and as a joke, ran it over me... I set it off!! *L* We finally figured out that it was the metal wires that they put my rib cage back together with! hehehe>> Heh heh heh. Hey, you know, now you can tell people that you're a cyborg. ;) Oh, and you forgot "a couple of cans short of a sixpack." Other variations I like are "the wheel's turning but the hamster's dead" and "not firing on all thrusters." ;) Tee hee hee...

Mara: Cool! Nice to see ya back here. :)

Fire Storm: <<What I do when that happens is grab my case and shake it until the screw comes out. If it dosn't... F#%$ it, grab a new screw and leave the old one where it fell.>> Good tactic, though I guess that means your computer has some screws loose. My old computer, though, had nothing in the bottom part, just some empty space (all the wires and stuff were in the upper section to leave room for additional cards), so the screw was always within reach when it fell. Which meant I kept repeating the cycle over and over and over until I finally got the stupid thing in. ;) <<Well, it IS California (From what I hear, the televised chase capital of the world.)>> Just like redneck farmland seems to be the UFO-abduction capital of the world. <<I think it would have been funny if that video of the guy stealing the tank was on the same freeway at the same time and he knew how to work the cannon.>> That could've been a pay-per-view event! >:D

Okay, after working on this in bits and pieces over the last couple of days, I'd better post it before anything else interrupts. Back to working on stories and stuff, while I have time...
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 02:20:47 PM
IP: ppp128-pm4-coosbay.ucinet.com

Hmm.

**IDIOT RANT**
The idiot is complaining about how much I sleep. About 10 hours a day. If I get up after 8 hours, I am nearly dead tired and ready to fall asleep. How do I explain this to the would-be dictator? I can not.
**END IDIOT RANT**

**MENTOR**
You know, I have one really, really stupid question. Why is there emphasis to give kids mentors on tv? Shouldn't the emphasis be on providing GOOD parents instead of providing mentors?
**END MENTOR**

Wonder Woman question - I caught some of Wonder Woman on Sci-Fi last week and I noiced something: Her outfit was not as skin-tight as today's outfits are. Was that because of conformity?

Dark Ages & other TGS series - A series needs popularity to stay around, IMHO. What would be the point in writing a series if no sentient beings read it? Admittedly, there are a few series I would like to see down in TGS, but if no one wants to read them, they will not be written.

**BFTS RP continues**
DPH gets sent for de-briefing.
*MEANWHILE at Plastique Saber's house*
A pregnant SuperSpeed is looking through her collection of magic books, looking for a way to give Mr. Connect his own body. A spirit is carefully watching her effects.
**END BFTS RP for now*
Who/what is offering SuperSpeed's efforts? Does DPH have intentions on breaking some long-forgotten character back to life?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 01:03:49 PM
IP: max1-60.cwy.cei.net

*Warpmind enters.*
Not much to comment on today, it seems... except that Robby, SJ, you might as well sign me out of the RP. I'm not contributing much anyway, my posting frequency is irregular at best nowadays... and I'm stuck keeping track of two Play-By-E-mail RPGs I'm participating in, too... *Sneeze* And my cold's not completely let me go yet, either, although the fever's nearly gone now. Woohoo! :)

Mecord: Woohoo! Long time no see, and congrats! *Warpmind grins evilly and winks to Cat as he flicks on the stereo system, playing "Another One Bites The Dust".*

Christine: Running off cliffs? Not to mention testing out Wile E. Coyote-style contraptions, eh? };)

Gside: Murphy? MURPHY? Hah! My machine eats Murphu for... well, actually, I doubt it even qualifies as a meal in itself... more like a piece of chocolate, y'know, the kind often served with coffee. };) Oh, and the sham bit - it is not intended as a sham, I'm *serious*. (And thus it ain't temporary, either...) And I managed to log into animeon - presumably, it was only a temporary problem.

Well, 'tis about it. Later. *Watches IM, waiting for Lynati, while the first episode of Ranma downloads s-l-o-w-l-y...*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:14:46 PM
IP: mp-217-238-191.daxnet.no

Oops. Yeah, that post probably had a handful of little spoiler-bits for those who are completely unfamiliar with TGS. Then again, if you don't need TGS, you probably wouldn't be interested at the post either. Anyway, fair warning, and sorry about now including it in the first post.
Kaioto
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:08:43 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Hm … I’ve liked most of the new episode. The one on-going problem I have with the story is the treatment of Lexington, though. This story is a welcomed change of pace from the previous treatment of Lexington, however. Heck, Lexy hasn’t come through in a long time. We’re due for a Lexington Rant, and I might as well do it. ;-)

Seriously, though, looking back on TGS it looks like one abortive attempt after another to write for Lex. Each one seems like somebody had this great long-term plan and then dropped it or left, only getting around to the first stages of their idea.

Time after time, however, TGS shows this annoying habit which pervades the fandom that almost every good Lexington plot needs to begin with him getting kicked, hard. With so many false-starts in TGS, their version of Lexington has a lot of unnecessary boot-marks. I’m sorry, but that’s been done to death in the fandom, and not very well either.

The other thing I find bothersome about the characterization is this tendency to follow Lex around with either a horde of violins or a laugh track. I’m sorry, but it wore thin a long time ago. I think a lot of people writing fan-fiction make the mistake of treating Lexington like a child because of his voice and stature. Lexington is a twenty-something now in human terms. Enough with the comic scrappy kid routine peppered with teen-angst themes. You can write a better story without the teen-angst, certainly, but if you must find a character to do it, find a more appropriate recipient.

I think that perhaps sometimes people misuse Lexington’s character in writing because they want to identify with him. The whole computer-inclined thing lands him immediate empathy points with members of an online fandom, after all. I think this lends to trends of making Lexington younger, more human, and more generally geek-like than would logically follow from Gargoyles. This can be all well and good, I suppose, but it always seems to come at the expense of many of his character strengths.

It wasn’t very appropriate to begin with, and it was done so much it completely retarded Lexington’s character development in an unrealistic fashion. I mean, it is bad from a writing perspective because Lexington has had maturing experiences and had a decent growth-character to begin with yet his character reflects none of this. I can see no good explanation for this occurrence other than writing problems.

One of those strengths I think people write out of Lexington is plain in the way people treat him in combat. Wow, look, another off-camera beating. They treat a adult gargoyle warrior like he’s made out of glass, just because he’s short. Happens in TGS and a lot of other fan-fiction. Years of fighting the most vicious things the planet has to offer, and everyone thinks he’d fight like a rookie. This is completely unrealistic and reflects a sad prejudices about size in our culture. I’m 6’ tall. If Jackie Chan or the departed Bruce Lee were mad at me, I would be completely unashamed at running for my life from someone shorter than me. Height isn’t much of a concern if the shorter man is in a warrior’s condition. Now Lex’s got cyborg augmentation to boot. Titantium plates and a weight advantage, and they’ll still write him with a glass-jaw.

I’m looking at this fight with the Antarctica female and my head already hurts. By all rights, with the added density of his cyborg parts, his lengthy veteran experience in all manner of combat situations, and his advantage in speed, Lexington should be able to quickly maul just about any gargoyle that’s not a Goliath-sized big-bruiser or a trained martial artist. The Antarctica female comes from an isolated clan with their only combat experience in the brief engagement against the Unseelie Fay. Lexington would need to be careful not to hurt her by accident just rough housing with her and should be in no position to actually risk losing a fight to her.

However, bowing to a long track-record of being asked to suspend my disbelief for the sake of yet another attempt at a Lex-plot, I’d put my money on Lex getting dropped by a writer’s phantom punch in the second round. ;-)

Of course, better to be written into a circle or be the square peg in the round hole than to be Broadway. Jeez, one of the original 6 has been regulated to roll of "Broadway – Angela’s husband." I’d rant on him, but the character is so dead to me the breath feels wasted. At least Brooklyn got a spin-off for his Trio-self when they deleted his old character from the main series to replace him with an older-and-wiser version of himself.

OK, I’m done complaining about the Trio. I think that with the exception of Brooklyn over in TimeDancer, they are in sorry, sorry shape. Still, casualties of war, I suppose. So many new and interesting characters and plots to keep up with in TGS, wonderful work with Angela, Demona, introducing Sata and the twins, etc. I guess I knew all along that some some eggs were going to get broken. The excellence of so many other points comes at a cost always, I just wish it wasn’t at the expense of the development of some of my favorite original characters from Gargoyles.

I don’t want the staff to think I’m dumping on them. I like TGS and continue to read it and look forward to each episode. I’m impressed by the product. Don’t think me to be dismissing the many achievements made just because I’m posting criticism. I hope the staff keeps up their good work and only continues to improve and grow. Good luck to you all.

kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:06:21 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

****Kyryn slams through the doorway, heading towards DC's back. He turns around just before she hits him and dodges aside, commenting, "You just don't get it. I'm psychic." Kyryn rebounds and manages to snag the evil gremlin's leg as he dodges again. She tosses him into the air and pulls out a small device that looks similar to a lighter, complete with flame, and throws it at a spot on the floor below the falling DC. She grins, "Let me introduce you to the BGY incendiary trigger device. Sure....you see it coming....you're psychic!" DC screams as he hits the floor and the device explodes, engulfing him in flames. Kyryn grins even wider, "But there's not a darn thing you can do about it!" She turns and begins to comment.****

Imzadi>< Dark ages: I agree with Gside. I'm bummed that its not gonna continue.> No one said that it wasn't going to continue, except Stephen. As a CURRENT TGS Staff Member and the current Head of Edits, I can say that no decisions have been made about discontinuing any storylines. As a matter of fact, there are three unused Dark Ages episodes already sitting in 'storage' waiting for the next season and a large part of the continuing story arc for DA has been plotted out. Right now the staff is working on a new Timedancer season, but the others will be down the road a bit.

Later, All!

****Kyryn marches out of the room, jauntily humming the theme from "Big Guy"****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:35:19 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

The former TV talk show host Morton Downey Jr. has passed on.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:53:51 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Josh> a weak point is still a point
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 09:06:59 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-7.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

::Enters muttering to self and with a dark cloud above
head::

*wailing* My computer is possessed by the devil! It deleted
every file I had on Zodiac, every single picture of the
letters he sent to the SFPD, every single shred of evidence!
Every single note, transcript, everything!!! I've been
collecting this stuff for two years! *sigh* I have a back-up
of the stuff on a zip disk in a storage unit, but I don't
know where the box with it is. AARRGG!!!

Double AARRGG!!! I came in too late to check last the week
before last week's archive. If any of you have it on you
CPU, could you please send it so I can respond to you guys!
Please send it to the addie listed. It would be greatly
appreciated.

Triple AARRGG!!! You guys remember how I mentioned Bengali
once before? Well when she asked me to finish her fanfic
for her, she didn't tell me how the story went from the
current point on! I have absolutely no clue as to how she
was planning on finishing it! *mutters many cursewords* I'm
currently trying to figure out how to plot the story out
from this point on. So far, so good. I'm a pretty good
writer, fanfics and original stuff. I've been writing that
kind of stuff for a while and have learned to improvise
when neccessary. So right now I'm fixing and polishing up
the parts she had already written and planning the story
lines for the future parts. I just wish she had given me
_some_ instructions on it...

Sorry I'm so late in posting, I've been really busy lately
guys. I'll do a full post tonite when I have time.

"If the automobile had followed the same development cycle
as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get
one million miles to the gallon, and explode once a year,
killing everyone inside."
-Robert X Cringely

Later!
Conspiracy Theorist - [Conspiracy3000@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 08:08:22 AM
IP: aca6da1f.ipt.aol.com

Josh> Well, Demona is quite screwed up. She is very interested in revenge. Also, from her point of view, someone HAS to lead the gargoyle-race. Who better than her? As for why she formed Nightstone Unlimited, you got it right, power and influence.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 07:44:40 AM
IP: dialin-1110-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Crzy and Mara: >> Welcome back! *hugs* Don't you two owe me an email and/or an IM?

LC: > Re: LC vs Rayvn >> Coyote told me ages ago, then again you probably already knew that. Welcome back (as Rayvn). *hugs*

Coyote: >> *hugs* Just felt like it. :oP Also, email not working? Cuz I replied to a bunch of your emails but you never replied back. I would hate to post 'emails' seeing how you don't reply to your '1134' account.

Spacebabie : > XFL >> Have you been to any of them in person? Or just watched it on tv and/or the news? I had an extra ticket for the game w/ the Bolts back in Feb that was intended for my cousin, but she went back to MI before we could go so I had to drag my poor non-football fan to the game. If I had known you liked it, I would have offered the tickets to you.

PAWS update: I up to 20% (actually 19.9, $5 shy of a full 20). Thanks to those who have donated. If you still wish to donate, you can now donate online (tho you have to register w/ the site). The URL for the Org itself is: http://www.pawswithacause.org/ When you do make a donation it is important that you include my name on the memo portion of the check/e-check so that the money will go into my funds. For those who don't know my really name, please do email me privately. Thanks.






XenaTrek - [xenatrek@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 06:19:22 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

Hey folks. I'm in the middle of writing a program that does linear regression and interpolation.

Icons project: A few more icons done: Goliath, Elisa, Jericho, and Morrigan. Thanks to CrzyDemona for providing beautiful artwork for the project (Demona, Jericho, Morrigan), along with the lovely people at Disney and the people at S8 for taking screen shots of cells and the show. Any requests for particular characters? Any art you'd like me to use? Let me know!

CrzyDemona: <<Almost makes me wish I had a Mac>>: I'm surprised such a talented artist doesn't have one already. By the way, I saw some other pictures on your site I'd like to make into icons, including your young hudson, morrigan, maeve, jericho, and orin. Would you be cool with that? I already made Jericho and Morrigan. Morrigan doesn't make too hot of an icon cuz she's black and white, but Jericho makes a BEAUTIFUL icon. Obviously when the icon set goes to Avmists, your name will be published in it.

Any of the art-chicks.com chicks: I really love the style of some of your work, and I'd love to use it to make icons. You can tell which style I'm drooling over by checking out CrzyDemona's Maeve, Demonasexy, and Young Hudson pics on her site. If you object to me using your pics, let me know. I plan on freely distrubting them to other gargoyles fans via Avmists, and will include a text file that says where the icons came from (YOU!)

Gunjack: Feel better.

Greg: Good points. I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention. She always seemed more interested in revenge. Does she think that being queen of the world will stop her pain of her betrayal? Is that why she created Nightstone? For power and influence?

James: Not a valid point. There was only one clan of gargoyles Macbeth had ever encountered at that point, and Demona was their leader. So he assumed that the manhattan clan was the same clan, and that Demona was their leader as well. The fact that he referred to her as their "queen" merely meant that she was the leader of the clan, and was likely a semantics error.

*****TGS SPOILERS*****
Lynati: Here "nowhere close by" was not an argument against technology itself, but rather against its implementation in Antarctica. I really liked Kirstie's "sick" comment, it showed a lot about her character. You think Lex might have to explain to the entire council his luck-less role in the Madoc defeat?

Peter Maza's Line: Somehow, if I were goliath, I wouldn't even give it a thought. Its not like goliath would ever hurt elisa, nor is it likely that Peter would take a hammer to him during the day if he did. Yawn.

Robby: Demona looks at the scroll and says she's never seen anything like it, then asks what kind of magic it is. Maybe she's heard legends/stories about necromancy and that's why she's surprised. But its obvious that she has no magical experience in that field, which given her psychotic bent, just isn't likely. But so true about the borg.
****END TGS SPOILERS****

Christine: I told friends and fam about the icons in Avmists...you have a bunch of readers for the next issue. 8-)

Sev Jr: Blade 2 better rule. I loved Blade 1. And I admire your taste in music.

Dark ages: I agree with Gside. I'm bummed that its not gonna continue. I think it was a great "show". Not only does it fulfill our thirst for new gargoyles episodes, but it also gives us a great deal of insight into the characters we know and love. I mean, I always wanted to know why Catherine has a bug up her butt about gargoyles, what moved the captain of the guard to betray them in 996, and when exactly Demona lost it. Thersites, Asrial, and other characters are minor since we know they're gonna die, but I think that they are crucial to the characters that are present in 1996 Manhattan. I'm not on TGS staff so its not like I can affect the decision. This is just the opinion of one fan. Obviously Greg Weisman thought Dark Ages would be a stand alone series despite viewer knowledge of the future of the gargoyles universe, so there's gotta be something interesting in the next twenty-odd years of Dark Ages.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.
-hyoo, slashdot.org

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 04:27:13 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-181.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Fire Storm> <<and a white dress that Ranma wakes up in>>: So far, it doesn't seem too bad. And I think after that marital arts thing (note the placement of the i), it would be difficult to shock me.
<<What is with the writer/artist and his love of larger women?>>: Well, he does seem to keep weights varied, as opposed to many other artists who are constantly at an extreme.
<<Well, there IS a character in Ranma with squid arms, right?>>: True, but I was referring to another disturbing trend, more often found in doujinshi.
<<Guess AOL IM didn't send that message>>: I'd be more ready to blame the Rutgers network, or I just didn't notice it and closed the window. But Don't worry about it. When I get back, if I'm ever behind in a rotatino of what you want, just message me and I should change it. Of course, I may not notice the message until I return a couple hours later, but I should get around to it.
<<Each episode is 30-60 megs>>: True, but each episode is nicely divided in rars to make it slightly nicer on dial up people.

Warpmind> <<You forget, my machine defies logic and laws of physics>>: But how does it deal with Murphy?
<<Temporary sham my foot!>>: You did sound semi-desperate to get into the country.
<<that animeon link... I can't seem to get there>>: Works for me. Did you remember there's no www? But I just noticed that she's starting on the Kenshin. And soo after I noticed my Kensin 7 was actually 6 again. Fun.

New TGS> Very good, once again.

Calíope> <<Your cute>>: I beg to differ.
<<ppl are happy enough looking at me clothed>>: True, but think of the subsequent surge of happiness. Probably the quivalent of 42 Jello packs in an hour.
<<why should I be a respectfull Queen when I can still pull off braty Princess>>: For the cake.

Gunjack> <<I'm floating about three feet of the ground, and my nose is filled with ants>>: And this is different from normal how?
<<The dreams are freaking unbelievable>>: This with or without the drugs. If, it's without, I can't wait for you to get medicated.
<<And what the heck's that quote about gold bricks and lemon peels from?>>: HhGttG. Entry on Alcohol, I believe.

SRS Jr.> <<I think that the current TGS staff won't be picking up Dark Ages for a new season>>: Shame, that. I've been quite the fan of Asrial and Thersites.

Gleeb> <<The underwear thing was just a joke>>: Don't worry about it. I deal with many jikes as if they were serious issues. Though I even did consider the underwear thing before my fist comment on the subject.

Sev. Jr.> <<Get your mind out of the gutter>>: But there's so much fun to be had there.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:17:46 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

**RP HERE**

Sevarius Junior briefly flashed back to the events of a day before, and all that had happened...

He stood alone in the debris, and he looked across the way at the first of the Ten, the most powerful, the most... Female. Both of them were battered and bruised from three weeks of RP that went unseen, and SJ breathed heavy.
"ALL RIGHT! I've had enough! First we fought number 2, got our buts handed to us, and went back and forth between powerful group memebers until they fell one by one. The whole thing ended when Black Tiger showed up, turned into a were-rat to enhance his powers and then killed 2 is a self sacrifice. Then we started fighting you..."
One looked at him intently.
"And in the course of that fight, half of our group was killed, the other half was knocked unconscious. We blew up half of Ohio, twice, and then restored it with the Dragonballs or something. Jim Noying showed up to reveal he wasn't dead and that his neice wasn't actually related to him in any way, but was semi-adopted while he was an amnesiac being taken care of by beavers or something... And he provided a match for about two hours, then got distracted by something shiny and you beat him to a pulp. Aisha Clan clan from Outlaw Star showed up and we told her to leave, she was too cute to get pummelled. Lonny then used his evil genius to build a giant laser canon to blast you with which seemed pretty effective until you killed him... Again... Mephisto went toe to toe with you, put a few nasty dents into you before falling... Lots of explosions, power ups, deaths both meaningless and poinient, and here we are..."
One glowered and examined the boy. She frowned. "I know all this. What is your point?"
Sj grinned. "I've borrowed all of Kari's goddess powers
, and hav epowers from 8 different sources. So for about the next half hour, I have great powers, while you've been wounded and beaten, you wouldn't win another round. Leave, or face the consequences."
One sighed. "Very well. Your planet has proven it will not be conquered easily. I will stop trying to destroy it."
SJ smiled. "Good for you."
One glared at him. "But only if you marry me."

SJ sighed, and tried to ignore all the events of the previous battle, and concentrated on the task at hand.

**END OF RP**

Looks as if I've found a way to circumnavigate my posting problem. AGAIN. I wonder if this method will last for a week or less this time? Oii, I swear I can't get a stable way to post lately...

This weeks TGS episode- It *DOES* Have pictures, but apperently they got lost somewhere in the e-mail. I swear I just can't win on this TGS illostration stuff. The computer that has several weeks of colored pics efoort crashes on me... The pieces I worked all week to get done don't send in e-mail for some reason. *sighs* I'll rescan the pics in later tonight, but they won't be colored. Grr...

Aaron- You've actually heard of Omaha the cat dancer? Not to mention actually READ it? That does it, thats one similarity too many. I'm your clone.

Lynati- Yup, Southpark is suprisingly right about a LOT of things. Once you get past the toilet humor and the swearing, South Park is one of the most honest and observant shows on TV. Frightening that...

Beth H- You get the e-mails I sent? You haven't aknowledged one way or another. I located some of that Kenshin stuff you wanted.

Spacebabie- I'd believe it.

Bullies- I was a smart kid who actually liked school, so I got picked on and teased a LOT as a kid. I was also non-athletic, so that was another mark against me. Added in with the fact that most kids are just stupid idiots and well... Luckily, most of that kind of attitude seemed to fade away in High School... (At least partially because I stopped liking school so much around then...)

Mara- Fun website. Get on IM sometime.

Lady Corax/Ravyn- Of course, if you check the archives back when she first started posting again, you'll notice I said in plain view for EVERYONE in the room to see, "So, why don't you go back to posting with your old name?" at least three seperate times... Heh.

**TGS SPOILERS???**

Spacebabie- CrzyDemona alreadty stole the line I was going to use on your question about Icarus so... I'll admit, coming up with distinctive personalities for so many new characters for one story was a bit difficult, so on a couple I cheated a little and used some anime influence. Mei Hsing has a few traits from Gendou Ikari for instance, and Icarus has a bit of Xellos in him. (Which wasn't intentional, it just sorta happened.) But he is NOT voiced by David Moo! (Shudders at the thought of English voiced Xellos) There's a couple others too, but they're a bit more subtle, I think, and not really worth mentioning...

Imzadi- It was never said that Demona didn't know what a Necromancer was, it was just said she didn't know that DARIUS was a Necromancer. There's a difference. She knows full well what a Necromancer is, as you'll see next week.

**END TGS STUFF**

Beth H (again) One of these days I'm gonna have to read your Ranma fanfics. But I'm always busy busy busy...

SJ- Any TNG villain that made it onto Voyager had to be watered down so that Janeway could handle it. The Maquis, the Borg, Q, the Ferengi. This is why the Borg went from "Able to nearly wipe out the federation and only beaten by the luck of recapturing Picard" to "Stupid Zombies who don't really care if you blow them up. In fact, they LIKE being blown up."

And that looks about it for now, I need to get back to work...
Robby
Monday, March 12, 2001 11:51:21 PM
IP: aca2cdc5.ipt.aol.com

testing...
Robby
Monday, March 12, 2001 11:10:41 PM
IP: aca2cdc5.ipt.aol.com

***BEGIN RP***
The Hospital.

On crutches and with much pain, Kari slowly made her way out of the Hospital, leaving through the main lobby. She winced with every breath, her ribs taped beneath her clothing. Her ankle was healing, slowly, but overall she still felt as if she was being held together by ace bandages. She moved to the curb, and waited on the cab she had called a few mintues earlier.
She knew that she could have asked SJ to drive her home, but right now that was the last thing that she wanted.
"Beautiful day, isn't it?" said a voice beside her.
She turned abruptly; a little too quick, and she felt it in her ribs. To her left stood a handesome young man. She estimated him to be in his mid-to-late twenties, with a head full of curly blonde hair. He had piercing blue eyes, but they held a certain excitement in them. He smiled at her, a lovely smile, full of perfectly white teeth. He was very pale, and had a slight accent which she thought to be British.
"Oh. Um, yes. Yes, it's very beautiful outside."
"I've always enjoyed nature, myself. The fresh air does the body some good."
"I see."
"And things are just more peaceful in the Great Outdoors. Just you, and the great big, green world. For instance, there's a park over there--" He pointed towards a large green park a few hundred yards away. "--The hospital built it a couple of decades ago. For the families of the patients. Thought that it'd be nice if they could have a soothing, comforting place to go and sit, instead of staying inside a stuffy building all day long."
"Good idea."
"Unfortunately, not many people use it. Turns out they'd rather sit inside their stuffy buildings and their steril hospital rooms and wait for their loved ones to die. The hospital's thought about selling the land and turning it into a parking lot."
"That would be a shame."
"Yes, it would be. To much of the world has been covered by blacktop already, you ask me." He held his hand out to her. "Ethan Mercurius."
She positioned her crutches and put her hand in his. "Kari Kanbeapest."
He took her hand, and gently kissed the back. His lips felt warm on her skin. "Pleased to meet you."
Her taxi pulled up to the curb. Cautiously and with great care not to hit any sore spots, she moved to open the door, waving goodbye as she did. "Well, it was nice talking to you."
He didn't say anything, he just nodded. When she was halfway inside the cab, he called to her. "Oh Kari," he said. "Would you like to know how to get your powers back?"
She stopped before fully entering the cab. "W-what did you say?"
"You can go home now, and try to forget the past few days, or you can come with me and learn how to get your powers back." He smiled, warmly. "The choice is yours, my dear."
She looked at him, her brow furrowed. Than, to the cab driver's indignation, she exited the cab, and moved towards Ethan back on the curb.
His smile was wider than ever. "I knew you would make the right choice. Perhaps we should head over to the park, and sit for a while. We have a lot to talk about."
***PAUSE RP***

*SJ walks into the CR humming something by A Perfect Circle* Wow....Jesus, do they know their music. I just got a bootleg copy of one of their live shows....they actually took Ozzy Osbourne's "Diary of a Madman" and literally merged it with the Cure's "Lovesong". Sweet baby Jesus, it's brilliant. Proof that Maynard James Keenan should sing pretty much every song in the world. Hell, I would listen to all of the boy bands if Maynard got to "tweek" their songs a bit.

BTW, anyone been watching "Lost Empire" on NBC? Damn I love Chinese mythology. And really hot Chinese women like Bai Ling.....I swear I have yellow fever. The good kind, that is. First Crouching Tiger's Oscar noms, then Ang Lee wins the SAG award, now this.....Is Asia finally getting the respect in Hollywood it so richly deserves? I'll have to see if CTHD wins the Oscar before I pass my final judgement, but I hope so.

Ravyn/Lady Corax: Coyote sent me an email, and I've been beating my head against the wall ever since.....well, I've never exactly claimed to be the swiftest guy in the world when it came to the brains department, but I am glad that you are back here in the CR (And have been for the past few....months....ahem). You sort of disappeared on us a while back (the Ravyn days), but it's good that you are here, now, in control, gentlemen, with us in the CR. Hee hee, as if you could ever leave!
**deep evil voice** Oh, and you can never leave us. Your soul is ours! Ha ha ha!!!!!!
Dang it, Wilek is rubbing off on me. And NO, not in THAT WAY!!! Get your mind out of the gutter...

But perhaps my mojo is really working! So, anyone else wanna step up? James Birdsong, you're really Aris aren't you? It's okay to admit it. You can give Doug a hug, and we'll all be simpatico.

Speaking of all things Doug......Kit, I do wish you good luck on your trip to Houston. But, are you sure you want to leave Doug alone, in case SOROW *does* visit? As I understand it, she is a terribly attractive young woman (not that you aren't, of course ;)! I'm sure Doug wouldn't be tempted, but I probably would be! ;) :p

Caliope: I don't know if I ever asked you this, or if I did, if don't remember the answer: do you support the movement to make Puerto Rico an official U.S. state? I know there's been a lot of cry for that lately. Personally, I'm very much warming to the idea. Puerto Rico has sort of just been hanging there for a while....I mean, we basically own the island (from what I understand) and many Puerto Ricans live in this country....why not just go ahead and make it a state? I don't think I'd mind. Be kind of nice to have them included "in the family" instead of as a distant relative. So, what do you think? U.S. state, or remain sovereign?

***ENTERTAINMENT NEWS***
Star Trek stuff: So, they wanna take the "Star Trek" off of the fifth show? Word of advisement--the show's gonna suck anyway, so you'd better at least keep the brand name. That means that at least some social misfit out there will be watching the show.
And I've heard a rumor for Voyager....in the final episode, we will see a future glimpse of what takes place to the Voyager crew in the years to come. *sigh* Well, I can see that they can't even get through the finale without ripping off ST:TNG.
And speaking of Voyager, we will get to see one last glimpse of Q before the show ends. Q will show up on Voyager and drop off his son, the teenaged Q2, who is apparently going through puberty, and Q wants Janeway to help. If they were standing in front of me, I would rip out the writers throats with my bare teeth.
Remember when Q was....cool? When he was.....imposing? Frightening? A villain? Somebody, please, heed my words--make the next movie, and put Q in it as a VILLAIN. He can have one last battle with Jean Luc, and the entire fandom can go away happy.

Blade 2 has started filming. The sequel, with a budget of 50 million, will follow Blade (aka Wesley Snipes) as he fights against a bunch of badass supervampires called the Reapers (why not just call them Antediluvians?) Well, the new vampires are much more badass than the regular vampires, so Blade has to team up with a group of other vampires to kick the supervampire's undead hineys. What the hell, I'll watch it.
But if you make Blade 3, give me Morbius!!!

Asian superbabe and all-around hottie Kelly Hu (see! Yellow fever!!!) has signed on to play the female lead in "The Scorpion King", the prequel to the Mummy (and the Mummy's sequel, "The Mummy Returns"). She will, of course, fall in love and presumably bump uglies with the Rock....I mean, Duane Johnson, aka the Scorpion King. This has made-for-video written all over it, but by God, if it has Kelly Hu AND the Rock in it, I'll watch it.
Oh, and for you wrasslin' fans, can you believe that the Rock beat my main man, "Your Olympic Hero" Kurt Angle, for the WWF title? It's a travesty, it's true, it's true!

And with only a half dozen Buffy episodes left in the season, the rumors about what is coming up are rolling in. Here are some potential spoilers for the rest of the season. Be warned!
***POSSIBLE BUFFY SPOILERS***
Episode 17: Buffy's father shows up in Sunnydale for Joyce's funeral, and decides to take custody of Dawn; Spike tests out Robo-Buffy; "Brian", Joyce's date arrives, and is connected to Glory (personally, I doubt the validity right there, because I'm sure Joss has said that we WON'T be seeing Joyce's mystery date. Could be a smoke screen, though)

Episode 18: Anya gets a chance to regain her demon powers, which doesn't sit well with Xander, and Spike plans on replacing Real Buffy with Robo Buffy with Real Life Kung Fu Grip; Real Buffy destroys Robo Buffy, kicks Spike's ass, and tells him to either leave town or get a toothpick through the thorax; Spike hints that his Chip is either gone or malfunctioning; Brian, the mystery date, is revealed to be Glory/Ben's father.

Episode 19: Lot of info on the background of Glory, Ben, Brian, and Dawn. Glory and Brian are revealed as wanting to bring their hell dimension into this world (so they can rule this one as well, I suppose), but Ben isn't so keen on the idea. Dawn, being the Key, can open the dimensional gateway as well as being able to split Ben/Glory into two beings. Spike offers to deliver Dawn to Ben/Glory/Brian, in exchange for a chipectomy. They agree, Brian neutralizes the chip, Spike takes Glory and Brian to the Magic Shop and wacky hijinks ensue. Glory turns into Ben, and Ben hits the skids. Spike tells the Scoobies that he did it to lure the Hellgods to them so that they could destroy the gods, but Buffy doesn't buy it and threatens to kill him (that's only the 38 billionth time, by my count). So Spike leaves Sunnydale.

Episode 20: Oz shows up! (YEAH!! Now, just get rid of Tara, stick Oz back with Willow, and I'll be happy!!!) Oh yeah, and the Hellgods buy a clue and figure little sister equals Key.

Episode 21: The Hellgods kidnap Dawn and begin their dark and evil ritual to open the gateway.

Episode 22 (100th episode bonanza and season finale): All the heavies on the side of angels show up--Buffy, the Scoobies, Oz, AND Angel and Faith--to kick the Hellgods ass with **big, important voice** "the fate of the universe at stake!!!" Things look bad for the Good guys, until Spike shows up and actually turns the side, with the Hellgods getting their hineys kicked. Faith takes a fatal blow meant for Buffy and dies (This had BETTER BE FAKE.) After the Hellgods are sent back to Hell, Spike tells Buffy that he's over his crush, and that he wants to fight beside her--cause it's the right thing to do (the redemption of Spike???) Touched, Buffy actually gives him a quick hug. Spike, seizing the moment, rips out her throat, drinks her blood, and tells her "If you won't love me as a human, then there's one way you will..." And he promptly opens a vein and makes Buffy drink. That's the cliffhanger ending.

So, take that for what you will. I think *some* of this is true. I believe that when we learned about the Hellgods, Giles did say that there were three of them. Whether or not the 3rd is Brian aka "Mystery Date", will remain to be seen. But some of this stuff is cool....everything except for the Faith dying and Spike biting Buffy. Gonna have to wait and see!
***END SPOILERS***

***RESUME RP***
The Laboratory.

When SJ was preoccupied with worry, when he was filled with tension and anxiety, he did the one thing he did better than anything--he worked in his lab. So far, in the past few hours alone, he had played around with a few experiments on viruses, discovered a cure for a obscure African bacteria, and created a half-cat / half-rabbit clone hybrid.
He picked up the hybrid in his arms. "What should I name you?" he mused. "Hmm...a rabbat? No....maybe a cabbit?"
The hybrid mewed in pleasure as SJ scratched its fur, and it wiggled its over-sized ears.
The Hounds came into the Lab at that time, their claws clacking on the tiled floor. SJ turned to them. The male snorted at him. "What?" SJ asked.
The female gave him a quick bark.
He scratched the hybrid behind its ears. "Don't start with me. She said she didn't want to see me. At least not anytime soon."
The Hounds howled in unison.
"Look, you don't understand. After what I did.....I can't see her now. She deserves to be left alone. After what I did, that's the least I can do for her. To leave her alone."
The Hounds looked at each other. The female walked over to SJ, and gently placed her head upon his knee. The hybrid, unwary of the bizarre creature in front of it, crawled up to sit on SJ's shoulder. With a sigh, SJ placed his hand upon her head. "Thanks, girl. But I'm afraid even you two aren't gonna be enough to cheer me up."
After a few more minutes of silence, he began to work again.
***END RP FOR NOW***
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Monday, March 12, 2001 10:59:27 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Yay! New episode! I'll go read it right now.

- To Gside (on Garg clothes)-
The underwear thing was just a joke. Not a very good one mind you, but a joke nontheless.

- Fire Storm (on indigenous inhabitants)-
Hey, don't tell *me* that info is wrong, tell that to the CIA's public webpage on Antartic research stations. I cut and pasted that quote directly from the site. Though I'm by no means an expert on the subject, I have no doubts about the accuracy of their info.

Later,
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 12, 2001 10:56:37 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

**rolls with Ravyn's tackle and huggles back** Whoooo boy!! **composes self and laughs** I miss ya too, Rav. Oh, as far as the name goes ... I think six months is enough ... I say go back to your original, especially since it blew SJ's mind when I told him Saturday night. **grins**

Peter Maza's line: Peter Maza saying "he better treat you right" is pretty much along the lines of the protective father role that seems to universally come over all fathers regardless of their connection to their daughters when they find out their daughters are engaged to be married. How do I know this? I wrote the line. ;)

**hugs Ravyn again before she leaves, running out after her**
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, March 12, 2001 09:32:39 PM
IP: 216.28.101.59

Jannie > always glad to help! Oh, and just wondering/suggesting: if you're concerned about what they're up to, have you considered inviting them to play at your place? Maybe joining in? Could be fun.

Warpmind > I know what you mean about Live Action Toon ... run off of ONE cliff trying to do that gravity thing, and boy, you never forget it! ; )

Imzadi > those icons are cool indeed! About the computer questions, though, I am the first to admit I know hardly anything about how all the computer issues work, so maybe drop me an e-mail with details on what possible problems there might be and I'll have my technical people (ie: Tim) look into it straightaway.

Sabledrake announcement > Huzzah! Check the latest issue of Writer's Digest (with Stephen King on the cover no less!) to see a very favorable listing for Sabledrake Magazine in the 'Zine Scene section! And then, while you're at it, start sending those submissions for the May "action" issue! We done good, people! Couldn't have done it without all the great contributors!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, March 12, 2001 09:15:55 PM
IP: 13-036.075.popsite.net

I LIVE!!!!!!
and just barely at that. It's finally spring break and I have a little time on my hands for once. Time to get back to more important things. Like the CR, writing, and what not. Better yet my computer is online! We networked all our home computers and registered for IP addresses. So maybe I can visit even more often now that I don't have to compete with my mom (who sells doll stuff on Ebay) for internet time. Well that's all for now. I need to catch up on the RP so I can post tomorrow.

Later!
Mercord the long lost elf
Monday, March 12, 2001 08:30:49 PM
IP: proxy1-external.saltlk1.ut.home.com

Spacebabie - "Robby is Icarus suposed to be like Xellos? I swear I can actually picture David Moo voicing the character." Well now... THAT... is a secret!

Imzadi! COOL! Almost makes me wish I had a Mac... almost.

Mara - YES you need to update MUCH more often!! Love you! ::licks::
CrzyDemona
Monday, March 12, 2001 07:56:14 PM
IP: 1cust126.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

*Lynati Enters*

TGS spoilies!! beware!!
Imzadi:heh, funny, I was just playing out a scene just like that in my head for amusement. (Kirstie and Aurora running away screaming, that is...) I agree. Lex does NOT need to get bogged down by one o' their types. you are right; it would destroy him. But I disagree with Aurora's possible views on technology; I think that once she saw their health benefits, she would radically change her perception on the issue. I'm pretty sure that she would agree that implants are a better than choocing to remain maimed. And, Lex's power is all internal, thus canceling out her "nowhere close by" energy source point. But I would have argued Kirstie as possible mate material *before* this episode. I saw her as a bit of a sweetie before then, but her "sick" comment about Goliath (being in love with a human) made me re-evaluate her whole character. I also think that Lex is going to get some center-stage time soon; with everyone wondering about how Wyvern took no casualties in the attack, and Lex "wanting to apologize" for his role in Madoc's plans. I think Lex is going to be outed as the guy who saved all their collective @$$es, with his hacking the Unseelie computer. (Which he could not have done without his implants.) Because, let's face it; if he hadn't taken away the unseelie defense against iron-sound, they ALL would have been dead before Demona had a chance to off Madoc. And even with Madoc's death, the Unseelies would have had enough edge to go all-out and kill everyone else. (maybe). Lex is due for some pampering, female style; lets hope he gets it soon, eh?

*wanders off, thinking about the other Lex/Kirstie/Aurora idea*
Lynati
Monday, March 12, 2001 07:23:30 PM
IP: 207.94.232.232

The = To. End = Enter
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Reposting to give e-mail and fix typos
Monday, March 12, 2001 07:18:33 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-147.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Demona queen of the Gargoyles> The paraphrase End Macbeth I present you this- Macbeth: "I'm looking for your queen" Goliath: "we have no queen" Macbeth: "don't lie to me" Brooklyn: "you mean Demona? Macbeth: "yes" Goliath: "you know know her?" Macbeth: "Know her? I named her"
James Birdsong
Watcher of the immortal known as Macbeth
Monday, March 12, 2001 07:15:04 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-147.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

WINTERWOLF - [<"Serendipity" in her workshop cave was a treat to write> Oh you wrote that? That is one of my favorite Dark Ages moments! I find Thersites and Asrial are both great characters to read about.]

Thanks! Yes, it was a great moment to write...

[Looking forward to more when the season rolls around. Dark Ages certainly has it’s own charm.]

Well, That might not be an easy billet to fill (to use an old navy term)... As it stands, I'm no longer on the TGS staff, and - this is mostly speculation - but I think that the current TGS staff won't be picking up Dark Ages for a new season. While DA had good eps and some readership, from what I've seen the fans are more into the Main Cycle and Timedancer. Even Pendragon got more attention in its previous season.

Still, if enough of the fans bend the ear of the current TGS staff, they might consider doing a third season of Dark Ages... if they did, I'd think about doing some of the stories, but that would only be done on specific things happening... at least, that's my view on things. ^_^

Still, glad you liked the scene and the stories! Read on, my friend!

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Monday, March 12, 2001 07:11:38 PM
IP: 65342hfc52.tampabay.rr.com

It’s amusing that on weekends I get so busy and wrapped up in other things I just don’t seem to have the time to post. Well things are crazy here at work but I can’t do anything because I’m ahead of everyone else involved and waiting on them. ^_^

Shadowrider> I look forward to catching you again next time! I’m happy all is well. I can so picture the whole missile story too! Thanks Jaden for getting him started on that.

Stefa> You’re only a day dreamer? I go for as much as possible myself. ;)

Stephen R. Sobotka> <"Serendipity" in her workshop cave was a treat to write> Oh you wrote that? That is one of my favorite Dark Ages moments! I find Thersites and Asrial are both great characters to read about. Looking forward to more when the season rolls around. Dark Ages certainly has it’s own charm. I don’t see the problem with the characters dying in the Viking attack. All mortals die, hence the name mortal. To use a cliché not all mortals truly live!

Wilek and Gleeb> <other boards that I post on allow html> Well while HTML is not recognized as such here you can still do some other special little things. In the spirit of the current gargoyles story “It’s a secret!” ;)

Wilek> <play Alice in 1600X1200> What? That’s too low resolution! ;) Playing with Alice? Oh I see the power abuse and corruption already! ;D <Heaven forbid I ever spawn> But on the plus side think of the benefit as it could stop and maybe negate population growth! Not to mention that Europe needs a good alternative to beef with all those mad cows. As long as you don’t let the kiddies have and silver or magical weapons okay. ;P

Texas> Have you ever noticed that if you swap the vowels in Texas you get Taxes... things that make you go hmm. ^_^

Doug> <taxes> See note above. Boy you really know how to have a good time! J/K ;P <forklift> Well I’m glad it’s over. It sounds like at least she isn’t very persistent on trying to find you and get you to help her. Though it might make a good RP piece for you and Kit! :) <job> Well I hope you get a good one soon and for the time being enjoy a sane schedule. Three shifts is insane even for the CR! Well most of us in here. ;)

Lain> Nice talk with your pa. I reckon that you cleared the air.

Crzy> Welcome back! You’ve been MIA for ages.

SOROW> Well I’m happy you weren’t fired. It’s unfortunate that your coworker was but the way your manager phrased it he is probably better at a different job. Sounds like the manager didn’t like him. I’d say just say a prayer for him and let it go. **Hug**

Archwolf> Hope you get back to being a regular again. There is a definite wolf shortage in these parts ;)

Dreamie> Good to see you Dreamie! <mini poster> **shares a knowing glance and hi-five** I lost a lot of sleep the first due night then they extended the deadline! LOL <welcome back> Thanks! ^_^ And were prey tell have you been? ;) <tickles> **goes all wide eyed** No! Ah! **laughs loudly completely powerless to defend himself and laughs even for a long time after she stops if she does stop** O.o

Shinigami> Welcome back!

SOROW> Have a good time at UT Austin!

Caliope> Wee! **HUGZ** <Roswell> They better not try and cancel the show again! We’ll have to bombard them with Tabasco sauce! All varieties of the stuff! ;P <Princess of PR and Queen of Typo> Wow! So why aren’t you coming to the Gathering? I figure your loving subjects would provide you with enough $$! No? <haven’t mastered telekinesis> well you just need to practice more! LOL <ppl are happy enough looking at me clothed> People just couldn’t stand that much... um happiness right? ;P <Cali show> Ah some day then. It comes out when the Gargoyles movie does right? ;) **HUGZ** These hugs are any flavor you want! ;D

Time for me to go home! Tomorrow I must bug all the people that promised to get back to me. Maybe I need to make each of the delinquents my “special friend”. Bye everybody! ^_^

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Monday, March 12, 2001 06:48:25 PM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Josh> Demona does indeed have aspirations to lead the gargoyle race. In "Vows" she tried to convince her younger self to use the Phoenix Gate to "destroy all the humans! Rule the gargoyles! Rule the WORLD!", and that line in "Hunter's Moon" also echoed her ambitions. As far as Demona in TGS, she hasn't "reformed" as much as everybody thinks she has. She's such a complex character, I love her.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Monday, March 12, 2001 06:19:38 PM
IP: dialin-204-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Imzadi><<But that whole "he better" line from Peter Maza was dumb. What's he gonna do? Fight goliath if something happens to Elisa?>> Ever heard of shotguns? Heck, or just a hammer and chisel. Big and muscular doesn't mean invincible, especially when it's an enraged father who's after yer tail...
And if that doesn't make any sense, it's because a) I haven't read the ep, and b), I'm floating about three feet of the ground, and my nose is filled with ants.
I've managed to get hammered by a cold, a sinus infection, and an allergy attack all at once. The dreams are freaking unbelievable. I feel like I've taken a hit to the jaw from a 50-pound anchor wrapped in a tuna. And what the heck's that quote about gold bricks and lemon peels from? Been wondering about that one for weeks...

*stumbles back to bed*
Gunjack "Dead on His Feet" Valentine
Monday, March 12, 2001 06:13:37 PM
IP: 216-146-184-201.bwn.net

Sorry, Netscape glitched. Forget the last post.
Lady Mystic
Monday, March 12, 2001 05:48:19 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Dern Lot Boys!
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Lady Mystic
Monday, March 12, 2001 05:46:44 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Just dropping by really quickly to deliver something.

Coyote: Sent ya an email to your 1134 addy. :)

Will update TGS CR Information this week. (Been doing some research for the update.)

Bye! :)
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Monday, March 12, 2001 05:41:41 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Greg: <<Kind of makes me wish I had a Mac>>: Normally, I'd say "Damn straight!" but I'm having some problems right now...

****COMPUTER FRUSTRATION RANT****
Seems my shiny USB external hard drive isn't recognized in OS X because the drivers on don't work. Unfortunately, the drivers were made by radialogic, a company that doesn't exist anymore because it was bought out by Apple. So technically, Apple is responsible for creating new drivers. Of course, they haven't, and my copy of OS X final doesn't recognize my hard drive...ARGH! HELLO? Backwards compatibility please? The HD's only 5 months old!
***END COMPUTER FRUSTRATION RANT**

Warpmind: <<Arthur would probably, in case he attained leadership of the world, acquire it
through quite selfless work>>: That's what I meant. I didn't mean literally conquer the world.

*****TGS SPOILERS*****
I was lucky enough to stumble onto the new episode before the announcement. IT RULED! I loved seeing goliath turn purple (um...) when it was revealed that he was in love with a human. And quite honestly, I think it prevents him from being fit to lead the council, even if he did organize the whole thing. A more human-neutral clan leader would be more fit. And thank god Elisa finally told her parents. But that whole "he better" line from Peter Maza was dumb. What's he gonna do? Fight goliath if something happens to Elisa? Please.
Demona is just starting to piss me off. At what point did she go from "I want to kill all humans" to "I want to be queen of the gargoyles"? Was that during "Hunter's Moon" where she said "I will take my rightful place"? Is that what she meant? Cuz I haven't seen any signs her plans on world domination at ALL in TGS, so this seemed kinda random. And the fact that she didn't know what necromancy was...that was just total BS. She's a thousand year old, world-traveling sorceress. She would know. Someone would have written something about it in the Grimorum. That book has traveled the world, to my understanding.
I think lex is gonna get sweet on Aurora. Not that it matters, she and Kirstie will both run away screaming when they find out there's machinery in his head. I predict lex getting no play and getting really pissed off and doing something stupid. The problem is that Lex just wouldn't be able to handle either of those girls. They can't appreciate his talents at all or his interests, because the girls find them so alien. And I don't think Lex needs a particularly, um, fierce girl. Lex is insecure enough, after all his stupidity with the pack and Maddox. A girl like Kirstie or Aurora would just kill him psychologically. That's why I thought liz was a good match for him (can we find him a gargess with her personality?). I don't wanna see lex get abused anymore. Its enough being the little guy, does he have to be cannon fodder too?
And I think Icarus is proteus.

Kirshanta: I disagree that Aurora has Sata's underlying sense of softness. She just seems like a bitter b*tch.
*****END TGS SPOILERS******

Caliope: <<Do you live there or just going to college there>>: that depends on who you ask. The government thinks I live here. I call it home. But my billing address for UC Berkeley is in Los Angeles. I guess that's my "permanent address". I'm just up here at school until I can move back south where the weather is hot and the girls are hotter. Why are you up in NoCal? Thanks on the icons.

LC: <<do I return to the old "Ravyn" name>>: pick one and stick with it.

****LONE GUNMEN SPOILERS*****
Cool episode. Spacebabie, you're right, Langly does look like garth and sound like him. It's kinda weird, actually. Anyway, awesome matrix scenes at the beginning, and it'll be nice having a new character.
****END GUNMEN SPOILERS*****

Daphne: that's funny, my mom always says I weigh "110 soaking wet", which isn't completely accurate, but sometimes it looks that way.

A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, March 12, 2001 05:32:15 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-181.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Daphne>I think it's ok if we use the same Liz picture. :) I use it because I look like Liz (blonde hair, blue eyes).

Caliope>You want to read my Ranma fic? YAY!!! Don't forget to write up a review. I need good comments to inspire me to write more. :) I'll post the link *tries to post link* waitaminute! It's not working!!! Grrr...Here's a different one to the same number of fics. (My other username is baherit and my fics are called "Ranma 1/2: Double Identity")
Beth H.
Monday, March 12, 2001 05:24:33 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

No spoilers, but I read 'THE COUNCIL' PART TWO. It was enjoyable and threw about a lot of interesting material, but seemed to lack polish. My biggest problem is that there wasn't really a massive progression from scene to scene, and some jarred terribly. I'll try and get back later in the week to do a bigger review and be more explicit.
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Monday, March 12, 2001 05:02:33 PM
IP: ac8dbbe0.ipt.aol.com

Kirshanta> I don't bother reviewing since then people wouldn't read it for themselves :)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Monday, March 12, 2001 03:47:03 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-18-147.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

[re-reads RP and groans. the pen being mightier than the sword, begins jabbing tense-demons with a pen]
Daphne - [suburbanbubble@hotmail.com]
the suburban bubble
Monday, March 12, 2001 02:30:40 PM
IP: 207.224.2.81

ok, I promised a real post and here I am!

Josh>>always cool to meet another non-donar. it's weird... last blood drive I was too young by 2 days, this time I was too small by a fraction of a pound. (they say how much do I weigh, I say 110. they ask if that's with clothes on or off... I being honest say clothes on, and don't even get smart-aleck offended.)

Beth H>> hey, are you ok with both of us using the Liz Image? I'm cool with it if you (and other people here) are, but if there's a probelm I can try something new. I figure as long as i used green and you use red, it should be easy to keep from getting mixed up. [being so much smaller, cowers slightyl (j/k)]

****BFTS RP****

[THE REALM]
Daphne, apprentice-wordsmith, and Jason Filler travel to the park, where strange things have been happening.

"Is this fog normal?" Jason asks, looking around.

Daphne nods. "It's a reaction to the fumes from motor vehicles in the last century. I'm not really sure how it came about -- it's not my area of expertise."

Jason shrugged. "Are we almost there?"

"Just about."
***

They arrived at the park. By this time, the fog had cleared.

Daphne nodded toward a young woman. "She's one of them."

Jason took a careful look. She was in her thirties, and wearing a basic woman's business suit.

"Yeah, that's normal for my universe." he looks at his own clothes. "Maybe I should buy some new clothes."

"Not now." Daphne walks ahead of Jason. "I'm going to talk to her."

****END BFTS RP****

Who is the woman from outside?


Happiness!
Daphne - [suburbanbubble@hotmail.com]
the suburban bubble
Monday, March 12, 2001 02:28:57 PM
IP: 207.224.2.81

Quadruple Shift: Yep, Rubio deserves praise alright. :) But after that shift, even he said he was too tired to do anything like it again, ever! :) He's supposedly in Las Vegas now, hopefully winning big in the casinos. Meanwhile I'm at home, hoping the new hires will work out and trying to get my taxes done with Kit and Shauna (this is a break).

Talk to y'all later.
Doug
Monday, March 12, 2001 01:58:36 PM
IP: pool-63.52.168.160.dlls.grid.net

It's time.

Hahaha.

Robby, what was the name of the CR villain who gives you trouble at work? Why? He visited my workplace Saturday night. So I need to know who gets severely tortured.

Paranoia and I are old acquitances so I can understand why a guy would have trouble not asking a girl out.

1+1=3

That's all for now. 8th day in a row for work.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, March 12, 2001 01:05:18 PM
IP: max1-50.cwy.cei.net

Has anyone heard of "NapCameBack.com"?
It supposedly has a way around the Napster file blocks.
Well, here's the link if anyone is interested.
Fire Storm - [<---- Napster Came Back!]
Monday, March 12, 2001 12:26:20 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Hey I brought in Mara

Mara>>>Yeah Neopets is addicitive.

Jannie>>I'm not allergic to stings. they just bug me. I know pewy pun but thats ll they do freak me out. I'm becoming braver of bees cause I readthat bee's are more docile than wasps, plus they make honey.

My arm hurts... I dont know how that happened it just hurts. I rubbed in more of thathot pepper cream and tooks some tylenol so that should work

SPOILERS FOR A LOT OF STUFF
Fururama... I only caught the tail end but it was sweet

King of the hill>>>pretty funny and my Gawd is Hank a prude . Luanne was pretty funny and i like the end with Peggy becoming a born again virgin

Simpsons>>>If only that was ture. We may actually prevent high school shootings with salad dressing

The Lone gunmen. This week was better. I liked the beggining with Frohike's karate moves((almost Matrixy)) Like the new character of Jimmy Bond
and is it me or dos not only Langly look like Garth but he sounds like him too.

TGS>>> ok the develpoment is approvig Darius is an intriguing character and next week looks promising. Like the parts with Aurorah, Lex, and Kirstie
and
Robby is Icarus suposed to be like Xellos? I swear I can actually picture David Moo voicing the character.

end Spoilers.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Monday, March 12, 2001 12:01:16 PM
IP: user-37kap2t.dialup.mindspring.com

TGS SPOILERS**

I loved this week's episode.
Demona's introspection and reactions to certain things were wonderful - there is hope for her - she is back to her last-season character.
Elisa development handled nicely. And THANK YOU FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENT FINALLY (see it wasn't so hard).
Aurora is actually quite interesting - I think Lex thinks so too. (She kind of reminds me of Sata - hard-edged but with an unerlying sense of softness).
Icarus nags the hell out of me - I'm sure he'll turn out to be someone we've already met (could he be Puck?) but not in the Icarus form. Does anyone remember an Icarus in The New Olympians episode?
Anyway - I wish I had time for an in-depth review - but this will do for now. I will wait for Ed and James'. Sure to be interesting stuff.
Kirshanta - [Kirshanta@yahoo.com]
Monday, March 12, 2001 11:33:48 AM
IP: g67-4.citenet.net

Oh, well...time to leave again. I haven't been here that much this time, isn't it? But, I had really a lot to do this weekend...next time I'll do better, I promise.

Doug:> So, you and Kit decided for the prudent way, isn't it? Well, for sure I will not tell you wrong...it is always the best way, I think. At least, I always try to choose the most prudent way in such things...anyway, I hope that the new hires will work out, so that your working shifts will give you a little more breathe...A quadruple shift? Whoa...I did some, but I didn't enjoy them...so, that guy really deserves admiration...oh, well, anyway. Please, take my greetings and wishes to Kit.

Jaden:> Yeah, it IS quite a kick...when we fired that missile, I was watching from a fifty meters and from behind a concrete wall...but the noise was anyway so strong and sudden that I nearly fell as well. And, I am quite sure I felt the ground shaking under my feet...

That's all, I suppose...not even the time to read the new TGS...I'll try to print it and read it later.

Goodbye to everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Monday, March 12, 2001 11:26:18 AM
IP: h255-20-146.mi2.albacom.net

Council part 2 read
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Monday, March 12, 2001 11:22:52 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

Caliope>(hugs back) TGS> Okay off to read that story now
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Monday, March 12, 2001 10:39:27 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

**LC runs into the room, tackling and hugging Coyote.** :)

Coyote> HEY!!! I miss ya. :) I got a quick chance to jump in here and say hey, so I thought I would...wouldn't want ya going crazier than you already are from "Corax-withdrawl"...:) **huggles, stroking his chin** Ack, you *did* lop that all off! :)

SJ> <<RAVYN!!!>> Okay, try to bear with me, here...this'll probably be totally confusing, and for that I apologize...but here goes...

...for those of you who didn't know or weren't exactly sure, Ravyn and I are...well, one and the same. :) Coyote figured this out right from the start (I can't hide a darn thing from him!) :) and some others did after a while too. So yes, SJ, I'm back!! Weird phenomenon goin' around the CR, eh? ;)

So anyway, now I'd love to know what you all think...do I return to the old "Ravyn" name, or keep Lady Corax, or is it all just so confusing? Don't worry, it is for me too. :) Sorry, everyone!

Wilek> Thanks for the DVD advice. Good to see ya around here again too! :)

Coyote again> **hugs more** I'll be back again soon! Hang in there, buddy. :)
Lady Corax/Ravyn
Monday, March 12, 2001 10:17:59 AM
IP: svm-ts3-8.c2i2.com

*skips in hmming some Tonic*

Hey Guys!!! I hope everyone's doin' dandy! * ^_~ *

Fire Storm> <<Just don't find out what will happen in the end before you see everything?>> eh, kindda, cuz if I'm not mistaken, the manga has an ending, but the anime has no ending yet (my hope is she might write a diferent ending for the anime, but its probably hopping for a bit too much :P) and once you know what happens at the end, you kindda get mad at the series for a while ^_^;; But I always go back, cant help it, I'm loyal :P

Josh> <<yeah, but I have a lot of friends...I don't think those islands will cover it all. >> lol well alright then! I'm happy with my Puerto Rico, Thanx! Be sure to stop by and visit some time!!! :D Your from Berkly CA? Do you live there or just going to college there? Oh, BTW, neet icons! Makes me proud to be a Mac Addict ;)

Gside> <<Well, It would make a lot of other people happy. And don't you want to spread happiness? Then, there are always mirrors. >> LOL! Your cute!...no, I'm not posing in the buff, ppl are happy enough looking at me clothed, if I were nekid....no, definitly a no here. :P

Winterwolf> <roswell reruns> I KNOW!!! Its dreadfully mean. They arent even giving roswell reruns, they're giving Gilmore Girl reruns! I just hope they arent trying to cancel the show on us again. <<can I look for the Cali show yet?>> lol Ah no, thats uh...still in production! Yeah, thats it! :P <<princess of PR> > lol thats right, princess of PR AND queen of Typo!!! ah, the Power... :P <<Maybe with a little extra encouragement... >> lol err, I'd hafta go with...no, again! :P <<And they could provide a mirror for you so you have a model too! >> lol that wouldnt work, I'd have to move while I draw! I still havent masterd my telekinesis to the extent of being able to draw with no hands ya know! ;P << SILLY friend>> lol Sure you are, tho your not as wierly freaky as some of them are, but your silly none the less :P

Beth H.> I've never been bullied realy, in Davis or here in PR, and I've been the new girl at school most of my life too, but I do think bullies are about the most pathetic ppl out there, and they exist well beyond school, unfortunatly... Hey, can I get a link to your Ranma fics, I'd ike to read those :)

Aaron> <<I’m so sorry your house got broken into. Glad they didn’t get away with much. >> Thanx for your sympathies, we're all doing better now, a bit less paranoid then last week ;)

Wilek> <<inflicting crative bodly harm upon the burgler>> LOL well, thats not realy my style, but if he gets caught, I'd gladly let YOU do the teaching of the lesson, just cuz yer my friend and all ;P <<Who are the King and Queen I wonder? Or is it like the Mushroom Kingdom?>> lol naw, I am supream ruler, and if I ever find me a prince, I'll elevate the status, but why should I be a respectfull Queen when I can still pull off braty Princess? ;)

Emambu> <<I am alive guys, really. >> are you sure? ;P *pokes*

Er, I gotta get going! I'll see ya guys!!! *HUGZ all and skampers off*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 12, 2001 09:45:06 AM
IP: 136.145.83.181

****Kyryn steps in to the room.****

Thanks for doing that, Greg! I got everything up last night and then the power went out before I could post to the CR.

For those who don't know where the new eps are posted, the link off my name will get you there.

Sorry, no pics this week, folks. But we promise several for next week.

I'm off to deal with internal audits today.

Later, all!

****Kyryn disappears in a cloud of paperwork.****
Kyryn - [<<--clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Monday, March 12, 2001 09:35:48 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Fire Storm> hmm. Council Pt. 2> I shall read it as soon as I get to school but before I have to head to class. That is the plan anyway
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Monday, March 12, 2001 09:15:04 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-128-47.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Beth hasn't announced it, so I will.

Words upon words...

The Council, pt.2

Story Idea by TGS Staff.

Written by Robby Bevard.

Enjoy...
Greg Bishansky
Monday, March 12, 2001 08:23:54 AM
IP: bess3.lhric.org

*Warpmind enters, sniffling.*
Hmph... headache's gone, but I'm still a little clogged, and my fever's actually up. :( And no Lynati on IM, either... :(

Christine: Live action "Fairy Meat" sounds bad, I agree... but how 'bout live action Toons? };)

Patrick Toman: If you're in urgent need, I can fix you up with links from which to download BF. }:)

Jannie: You forgot to mention "A few straws short of a haystack", "A few arrows short of a quiver"... *Is silenced by enraged CR crowd.*

Beth H./Daphne: Remember, it's not the size of the fist, it's where you plant it... };) (In other words, go for the weak spots... a quick jab in the right place'll cripple ANYone.)

Hey, Mara! Long time no see! :)

Josh: There's a difference between a leader and a conquerer. Arthur would probably, in case he attained leadership of the world, acquire it through quite selfless work. Conquering the nations of the world just wouldn't be his bag.

Cside: Replace the vacuum tubes? You forget, my machine defies logic and laws of physics. }:) Oh, and while I remember, *Swat* *Swat*. Temporary sham my foot! *Swats again.*

Fire Storm: I have. A while ago. But you know the speed with which the beureaucratic machine works... As for the kindergarten bit... dang. Maybe the birth clinic, then? Oh, and that animeon link... I can't seem to get there. Hopefully, it's just temporary...

Well, that's it... later, guys.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, March 12, 2001 07:48:48 AM
IP: mp-217-205-67.daxnet.no

Imazadi> Kickass icons. Kind of makes me wish I had a Mac.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, March 12, 2001 07:35:30 AM
IP: bess1.lhric.org

Sorry about the double post, but try this link instead, the picture has ALL of the OS X icons I've made so far. The upper demona is from the Ask Greg archives, and the lower Demona is courtesy of CrzyDemona. The unseelie star is Mike Norrish's artwork, and the text doc icon is the new OS X icon for text docs. Hope you guys like them as much as I do!
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, March 12, 2001 04:27:02 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-26-188.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Hey everyone, I hope you're having a good day.

Wilek<<There are laws against slavery>> Apparently not many people see it as slavery, luckily once I'm out they can't bring me back in (at least not without a fight).

Next series not having "Star Trek" in the title. (Jaden face slams up against the screen) WHAT!?

Shadowrider-A Hawk? Wow, that from what I hear that has a big kick. The first time I tried to fire a stinger unprepared I nearly fell over.

Trenchcoats-Right now I'm wearing a leather almost ankle length jacket and I'm still me. It's not the clothes, it's in the mind.

Doug-Don't worry about it, most of us have had a few drinks before and it's perfectly understandable.

Well I'm off, later.

Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 12, 2001 04:03:39 AM
IP: 211.237.77.42

OH MY GOD THIS IS THE COOLEST THING IN THE WORLD!

Please click on my name and download the image (its big, I know, but its worth it). On the right, is a 128x128 OS X icon made from CrzyDemona's artwork. On the bottom, you can see the same icon beautifully scaled down into the "dock". Isn't it beautiful? Artwork by CrzyDemona (thank you SO much for letting me use it), iconization by ME...and this is only the beginning
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, March 12, 2001 02:00:09 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-26-188.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

CORRECTION: There is no way to use your own pics.
The only images used are TGS images and TGS characters.
EZ-Board this ain't.
Fire Storm
Monday, March 12, 2001 01:25:24 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Hey all! Been trying to crack Terraserver.com to get satelite maps of Dearborn. Got about 5% done. Oh joy.

Warpmind: Now that the time of the gathering is almost upon us, have you applied for a visa yet?
(And no, I don't mean the credit card.)
If not, here are a few links to help you out:
http://www.insgreencard.com/
http://www.wop98.com/
Ya know... there is always the search engines. Just search for Us Department of Immigration. TONS of results!
<The Dennis Leary-grade Cynic in me suggests kindergarten... :(>
Sorry. Been there. Done that. FLint, Mi, a little over a year ago.
6 year old shot another 6 year old.

Pistoff: <Well, there are other factors besides cost keeping me here>
Work sucks, eh?
Well, I want it again!
<so I kept dropping the screw and having to start over...>
What I do when that happens is grab my case and shake it until the screw comes out. If it dosn't... F#%$ it, grab a new screw and leave the old one where it fell.
<A 30 MPH "chase" dominating every channel>
Well, it IS California (From what I hear, the televised chase capital of the world.)
I think it would have been funny if that video of the guy stealing the tank was on the same freeway at the same time and he knew how to work the cannon.
FUN!

James Birdsong: <Thanks Fire Storm>
Hey, they don't call me the resident tech for nothing!

Gside: <How so?>
Well, the fic would begin with some misplaced alcohol in the punch bowl at a school dance, a bucket of water, a dance with Kuno, and a white dress that Ranma wakes up in...
And that's only the begining!
Yes, a very cruel story that I would enjoy writing VERY much, but I would be flamed til the day I die for that one!
<That might make sense. Maybe she also has a wing fetish.>
Possibly. What is with the writer/artist and his love of larger women? No, I am not offended, but curious as to why he draws characters like that.
<They're rather common on the internet. Or are you denied for other reasons?>
No, it's just been a long time since I searched out those stories.
<Or just about half the characters in various hentai manga/doujinshi.>
Hmm... Well, there IS a character in Ranma with squid arms, right? ;)
<Quick note>
Sorry! I got the file before I went to bed that night. Guess AOL IM didn't send that message.

Imzadi: <God I love having a mac...just pull open the side door and WALLAH!>
That's (basicailly) how it is with my main computer. But I REALLY hate this itty bitty one.
<no support for all the hardware>
I am STILL Waiting for drivers for my DVD player for windows 2000.

Winterwolf: <DC will become your personal whipping boy!>
To comment, or not to comment, that is the question! :)

Wilek: <There are people who actually read it?>
I am curious.
<Please tell me Jackal wasn't there>
::groans:: BAD joke!
<So do I. O_o There are probably parts that are slightly out of date anyhow...>
Still, they are a good general referance.
<How 'bout making the sensors respond only to neural activity rather than motion?>
Probable. But not yet. I am currently working on a system that uses EKG pads to sense the muscle impulses.
Did you know that they have needle probes for EKG? Yuck!
I'll reply to your anwsers to the survey a little later. I have to compare and contrast yours and Imzadi's anwsers.
<slathers him in barbecue sauce, and throws him to FS's children>
YUM! BBQ!

Lynati: <what do you need on your computer to (access, view) those Ranma eps>
Real Player.
<this seems like a viable alternative.)>
WARNING! You had better have faster than a dial-up connection! Each episode is 30-60 megs.
http://animeon.cjb.net

Christine/Imzadi: <I'm sure FS and LM will correct me if I'm wrong>
Nope. YOu are right. There is no easy way to update the pics.

Dreamie: < You know they’re now selling T-shirts downtown that say “Mardi-Gras Revenge”?>
And yet, that dosn't surprise me.

Gleeb: <There are no indigenous inhabitants>
That's not ENTIRELY true... There is a flea-sized bug that lives there 24/7/365.
Biggest creature to live there all year long.



Why DID my cheast hurt the other day: Stress from watching 2 shows on the Discovery channel.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, March 12, 2001 01:21:11 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

SOROW: You're coming up here? That's great! <sighs loudly all of a sudden> Unfortunately this week is our Spring Break and my parents are demanding I come see them in Houston for part of it. We just agreed yesterday that I would depart to see them Thursday morning, and then not get back till Saturday night late. If I had known you were coming beforehand... <sigh> Doug may be able to meet you, but I'll warn you he has to work both of the days you'll be here. I'll have him e-mail you tomorrow, how bout? Y'all can set something up. Please remind me of your address? Sorry I can't be there, I really really want to meet you, but these plans... :(
Kit
Monday, March 12, 2001 12:44:07 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.122.dlls.grid.net

Imzadi> <<I'm taking over the world. No time for hiding in the basement>>: I wasn't talking about you specifically, I believe it was more about Gargoyle survival.

Warpmind> <<And I was kinda betting on Gside to make a correct identification first>>: Sorry, but the sites I frequent don't seem to collect her.
<<Sounds like my machine>>: Not with all the vacuum tubes you'd have to be constantly replacing.
<<*Blink* *Swat*>>: What? You never know. And besides, I thought girls went for guys with accents.

Lynati> <<anything after Hard Battle IMO is not worth the film it's printed on>>: I am just trying to be complete.
<<some-one hasn't been paying much atten-tion>>: I didn't know if you'd be ready for it, and besides, it would only be a temporary sham to keep him in the country.

Gleeb> <<So they went to the gathering in their underwear?>>: As long as no one else can tell what it is, why do they care? And anyway, a good portion of the rest are in loincloths.

Stefa> <<ya can join in if you wish>>: You shouyld probably be careful about that. There's some rules about RPs, and we already have two going at the moment.

I needed to think of a set of mp3s for the week that are on both this computer and my own that had not been posted yet, so I decided what better than AO, EO, and HO. No, you are not supposed to understand what that means. But they are three songs that my father and his friends back in high school would always play while they asked each other what they wanted to do before settling on getting a pizza and hanging around. So, I start it off with The Sound of Silence by Simon and Garfunkle.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:52:34 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

I'm just waiting for the ep to come up so ummmmm....*taps foot impatiently*
Kit & Doug> I'm going to be down at UT Austin this Thursday and Friday to look at the campus. Is there anyway I can find you, or is it a lost cause? I want to meet my big brother and sister! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?!
SOROW
Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:13:45 PM
IP: a030-0895.dll2.splitrock.net

**Kyryn peers into the room and is backlit by flashing lightning**

Just a brief message. I may be posting the new episode in the morning. I'll try to get things done tonight, but we've got some pretty heavy duty thunderstorms rolling through the area and we've already dropped power once.

Later!

***Kyryn ducks out as the power dims.***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:08:16 PM
IP: denm2-38.iglobal.net

Greetings all...

Well, this weekend's been sort of a bust in a way... I found some corupted sectors on my second hard drive, so I had to wipe it clean and scandisk it. Which means I lost quite a bit of data, including my Eudora mail program and my ICQ, dangit.

So, as a request, if you are an ICQ user, and currently have my name and number on your ICQ lists PLEASE blip me again so I can re-enter and get you all reauthorized. It's one thing to have to rebuild all the files I've lost, but there has to be an easier way to restore a lost ICQ list like that...

Anyway, Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:52:05 PM
IP: 65342hfc52.tampabay.rr.com

Crzy:: Feh.. I really need to update more... Oh wells *Snuggle snuggle*
Shinigami
Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:47:31 PM
IP: acb72629.ipt.aol.com

Imzadi - Well... I am a Windows Loser...err. User. O.O

Mara!! ::POUNCElickSNUGGLE:: Hey girl... been missing you lately! Looks like you've been busy working on your site! Great to see! ::scampers off to oogle it::
CrzyDemona
Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:31:58 PM
IP: 1cust83.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Well, server's down today, so I'll make a small fortune doing "Tech support" making $4 a call telling people why they can't connect (Sorry sir, the server's down, CLICK). Ah...I can see that shiny Titanium laptop now.

Christine: I would LOVE to publish my icons in Avmists. There are a couple issues, though. The first is platform. I'm a mac user, and I'm making mac icons. I might try to make windows icons, we'll see. If I can, is there demand in this CR even for windows HIGH-QUALITY gargoyles icons? I don't know what the new windows OS will use for icon sizes, I think I heard something about 48x48 somewhere.

GARGOYLES ICONS: This is my pet project, so expect me to post a lot about this. I'm in the process of making gargoyles icons for mac (and maybe PC...depends on my mood). Right now I've made only a couple icons. And now my plagurism confession: I'm using artwork from this site and others. I'm gonna include a text file to give credit where credit is due, but if your an artist and want me to stay the hell away from freely distributing your work (and proudly attaching YOUR name to it, not mine), please let me know (and tell me where it is so I can stay away from it). So far, I made a beautiful icon out of Mike Norrish's "Unseelie Logo" (the pic I use in the CR), just to test out my methods, though I didn't get his permission. Also, if you'd like to submit art for this, please let me know. I'm looking for all the major characters, and I'd be happy to create icons of the characters you've created. E-mail me for details.

This is my pet project, so if you have suggestions, comments, or demands, please e-mail me or post them or ICQ or AIM me (the number are on my site). If you have criticisms or insults, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE cuz I don't wanna hear them (that's what PET project means). 8-)

CrzyDemona: Actually, I'm already working on the Demona icon, thanks to your amazing artwork. So far, the icons are only for mac, but once I"m done I'll work on pictures to send to PC people so they can drool, assuming that I don't make windows icons (which I'll probably cave and wind up doing anyway). But thanks for the permission and I'll send you the icon as soon as its done (or a picture of the icon, if your a windows user).

Beth: Good luck with your boy.

Gleeb: Actually, I would think after the Lady of the Lake told him that the "world needs a leader", then world domination would be one of this goals (not in a bad way, though).

Kathy: Awesome ep, homecoming.

Daphne: Hello fellow person who can't donate blood!

Don't quote Dickens in MY apartment!
-Trey Parker, Orgazmo

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:16:43 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-26-188.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Sigh, a testement to how tired I am... the link below is allllll wrong. this one is right though :)
Shinigami
Sunday, March 11, 2001 09:44:28 PM
IP: acb72629.ipt.aol.com

Crzy and Mara are back. KICKASS!!!
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, March 11, 2001 09:39:27 PM
IP: dialin-626-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Blame Spacebabie for the summoning. Blame my addiction to Neopets.com for making it take near a week to have the time to actually make an appearance.



MOMMY's................. BACK!!!!!!!!


Sadly I am SOOO not caught up, so... to whatever was said... er: No comment. :)

Mara Shinigami Cordova - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Brooklyn, NY, USA
Sunday, March 11, 2001 09:37:35 PM
IP: acb72629.ipt.aol.com

Imzadi - If you want to use it, go right ahead. I just wanna see it when you're done! :)

SJ - You sure do like to stir it up, don'tcha? ::snickers and ruffles your hair:: Yes, I will probably be posting more often. I have a bit of help now in my busy schedule, (thank you, Jordan Mann!) Keeping 25 guests happy and informed is not an easy thing. (not to mention the 20 OTHER things I am working on). So, I am sure I will around to provide you with entertainment in the near future. :P ;)
CrzyDemona
Sunday, March 11, 2001 08:55:42 PM
IP: 1cust83.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

I forgot some people aren't as tall as I am. Yeah, I guess simply beating up bullies wouldn't help. Well I still say it's not a good idea to shoot them (duh). For me, I COULD of beaten them up, I was taller than most of them. Yup, Gentle Giant. That's me. :P
Beth H.
Sunday, March 11, 2001 07:58:36 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

real post tomorrow, but I just need to bemoan bullies...

Beth>> <Why shoot the ones who teased you when you can just beat them up?> simple. they're bigger than me and have been winning fight s since they were two. I'm five foot two (only because the nurse was being nice on measuring day) and weigh 109 and change, none of which is muscle (they wouldn't let me donate blood!). If I tried to hit them, I'd be killed. if I shot them, they would.
I'm flat out not condoning either, mind you. most bullies (IMHO) aren't worth the effort it takes to listen to them, but in some cases they're unavoidable. then, I chat friendly-like with their "friends", and usually find out that these people aren't friends but sycophants. This makes me feel better.
Then I gripe about the whole situtation with my own friends, who assure me I'm in the right.
Sure beats criminal charges.

Happiness!
Daphne - [suburbanbubble@hotmail.com]
the suburban bubble
Sunday, March 11, 2001 07:47:49 PM
IP: dialup-63.214.209.114.philadelphia1.level3.net

Sorry about this:

Test
Fire Storm
Sunday, March 11, 2001 04:31:20 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Christine> Thank you!! You have set my mind at ease :)

Lyanti> you quoted, "....Movies, books, TV, music- they're all just entertainment, not guidebooks for damning yourself!" This is definitely true, however.... kids that take revenge for being picked on by shooting up fellow classmates is not "normal". They are a few bricks short of a full load, their elevator doesn't go all the way up to the top, a couple of ants short of a picnic, a few fries short of a Happy Meal... well, you get the idea ;) Not the brightest crayon in the box... ok, no more...*L*
They have a screw loose and violent movies, videos, music, etc. is their excuse, guidance, and approval in using violence themselves.

Spacebabie> OOoO wasp stings... that can be very potientially deadly or dangerous, no? Do you have an allergic reaction? Birds just want to peck your eyes out *nods*

*chuckles* Michael was running his metal detector over the room and as a joke, ran it over me... I set it off!! *L* We finally figured out that it was the metal wires that they put my rib cage back together with! hehehe - I hope I don't go thru any really sensative metal detectors at the airport or courthouse! That would be embarassing!


Jannie
Sunday, March 11, 2001 03:52:01 PM
IP: 209-144-251-172.hou.port.mytelco.com

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel wrote:
"Gleeb: If you were the queen of England, would YOU let
Arthur Pendragon set up shop in YOUR country? I loved that conversation between Demona and Macbeth (You've never been hung. Aye, but I was burned as a witch once)...I almost fell over laughing! Who wrote that episode anyway?"

That would have been me, with a little help from Todd Jensen. (I wrote the scenes set in the present and he wrote the flashback) Second season of TGS: Gargoyles. The episode was called "Homecoming". I had a lot of fun writing that one.

Oh and as to the question of who I liked writing best... Elisa and Goliath, hands down. Followed by Coyote and Lapin. Actually, there wasn't anybody in any of the cycles that I didn't enjoy writing as long as the outline was interesting and I had more than three days to write the story...

kathy - [kapogge@excite.com]
Sunday, March 11, 2001 02:39:28 PM
IP: rr-56-12-148.atl.mediaone.net

*they walk inside of the cloisters and look around*

Stef> Jinkies! Scooby where are we now? ya idiot!

Stefa> Ya know I am one second away from hitting your head in!

*they hear some noises and Stef quick latches on to Stefa*

Stef> WWhat was that?

Stefa> well maybe if you'd shut up I could find out!

*just then they hear running after them and they run like the wind baby yeah!*

Stefa and Stef split up Stef up a some stairs and Stefa down the same stairs.

Stefa> If I get killed I qam going to kill her for this!!

*Stef turned her back to the wall facing the entrance not noticeing the talons behind her ready to grab her*

Stefa> Man this is sure big! *walks up and looks around for the bad thingy* Ok not here HEY STEFA!! now where did she go?

Stefa went up stairs after hearing a faint cry for help.

(ya can join in if you wish)
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Sunday, March 11, 2001 02:12:51 PM
IP: 1cust89.tnt1.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

*their done fighting and have gone on to hunting for what I have no clue*

Stefa> ok human counter part listen you must first find your food by tracking and by sniffing the ground and air.

Stef> up that! I am just going to go bazooka duke on all of then animals!

*Stefa hits stef over the head*

Stef> OW OW !! ok ok I was just kidding!

They walk off into the deep forest heading towards the cloisters.
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Sunday, March 11, 2001 01:59:27 PM
IP: 1cust89.tnt1.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Not much to say, considering it's about an hour before I have to leave to go to work.

1+1=3

Hmm. I guess I will wait until tomorrow to make a real post.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, March 11, 2001 01:49:08 PM
IP: max1-20.cwy.cei.net

SPRING BREAK!

sorry but I needed to let that out. I get to have some rest but I also have a lot of work to do like writing the first twenty pages of my script.

would you belive the text book for my Script writing class was written by JMS?

6 and 0. My beloved Orlando Rage are the only undefeated team in the league. The Rage rocks.

Jannie>>>I have the sam rection to Stingers. aka wasps, hornets,and yellow jackets.

Peeps>>> easter candy again eh? i like the flavored jellybeans and cream eggs. I like to squish peeps until they resemble Mokona from MKR.

lets see life. Well i went to the fair friday, I think they should rename that one ride Tilt o hurl.

It is possible to type and eat ramen noodles at the same time.

Stefa>>> your pretty funny yourself. ::Looks around for gargoyles:: I know ther are some here.:points to name tag: it says alien/human hybrid.

"I always thought sir Mokona was made of something bouncy" Fuu.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, March 11, 2001 01:35:30 PM
IP: user-37kap1l.dialup.mindspring.com

I hate my local PBS affiliate... the pre-empmt the shows I'd actually like to watch more often for pledge drives than the actually show them as scheduled. I don't wanna see a cooking marathon... I want my "This Old House" and "New Yankee Workshop"! ** END PBS RANT **

Coyote > "Bondage Fairies"? Great... another hentai I'm obviously going to have to track down. :P :: tells creativity demons chattering and giggling and mentioning the name of Maeve to shut up ::

Human cloning (i.e., "Here I stand beside myself" > Actually, it's not like it's a new concept that humans want to have power over nature. But I guess after 20,000+ years of civilization, we've just gotten bored with things like damming rivers, draining swamps, hunting things to extinction, and tinkering with genetic codes to get a bigger ear of corn. I think it's inevitable that eventually a human will be cloned. Someone will do it just because they can.

Hey, can you believe it? There's 102 days until The Gathering here.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:58:33 PM
IP: ac80c7db.ipt.aol.com

- On Antartica -
Layers eh? So they went to the gathering in their underwear? *EG*
Seriously though, several people in here have brought up very good arguments in favor of there being a clan of Gargoyles in Antartica. It almost seems plausible when you think about Merlin's magic making the land more hospitable, etc.. (There were a couple of other interesting points people brought up, which escape me at the moment.)

On the other hand, someone else brought up the vast differences between day and night. In the winter, it's dark for months on end (and vice versa in the summer.) This led me to some other ideas such as the fact that it will be a *lot* colder in the winter, when the Gargoyles will be primarily awake (assuming their sleeping habits follow this pattern.)so I went and looked up the CIA publications site for facts on Antartica.. and found some interesting info.. such as:
1. East Antarctica is colder than West Antarctica because of its higher elevation. The Antarctic Peninsula has the most moderate climate. Higher temperatures occur in January along the coast and average slightly below freezing.

So the best location for the clan would be the Antarctic Penninsula. In the summer time the normal temp would be just below freezing, lovely!

2. Antarctica consists of about 98% thick continental ice sheet and 2% barren rock.

If Merlin were going to thaw out part of the land with his magic, he'd have to choose one of the few areas with actual land... not much to choose from by the looks of it.

3. Land use: arable land: 0% , permanent crops: 0% , permanent pastures: 0% , forests and woodland: 0%
other: 100% (ice 98%, barren rock 2%)

Looks like it's penguin for dinner again. Yum. :)

4. Natural hazards: katabatic (gravity-driven) winds blow coastward from the high interior; frequent blizzards form near the foot of the plateau; cyclonic storms form over the ocean and move clockwise along the coast; volcanism on Deception Island and isolated areas of West Antarctica.

Doesn't sound too fun.

5. In 1998, NASA satellite data showed that the antarctic ozone hole was the largest on record. Ultraviolet light from the hole is extremely damaging, especially to DNA of icefish, an antarctic fish lacking hemoglobin, & one-celled antarctic marine plants. More solar radiation reaches the surface at the South Pole than is received at the Equator.

Who knows if Gargoyles are even affected by such things. But certainly humans would be.

6. There are no indigenous inhabitants, but there are seasonally staffed research stations.

*seasonally* being the key word here. From what I've read, the continent is nearly uninhabitable in the winter.

7. The Antarctic Treaty prohibits any measures of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military maneuvers, or the testing of any type of weapon.

Hmm... that makes things a bit difficult, at least for the idea of King Arthur establishing his base of operations there.

Anyway, those were just a few facts I pulled out. Check out the rest at http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ay.html

So even if, against all odds, Gargoyles and/or Arthur & friends(depending on which story idea you like more.) *can* find a way to safely live in Antartica... why would they even want to?? I mean, I wouldn't want to live there. Would you?

-To Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel-
Well, the Queen really has no power. She's just a figurehead, thus what she thinks doesn't really matter that much. But even if it did, I don't think Arthur intends to actually become King of England again. So far, he's done nothing more than set up his investigative agency. He plans to do something else yes, but obviously the times have changed. Becoming king of England isn't one of his goals.

As for where his base can be, why not some small unclaimed island? There are plently of those around, and in more hospital climates than... Antartica.

Later,
Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:56:38 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

::blinks:: Dreamie has been talking to me? :;looks at Lyn:: ok...??

::Yawns and curls up:: I'll post for real later... just wondered that that comment was about...

if anyone has anything interesting to talk about let me know.. SLEEP!
Aingeal
Hades, TIRED
Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:34:32 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

God, this is so irritating. There's this guy at school that I like, but he's never in one place longer than two seconds! I know him because he sometimes hangs out with my friends and goes to anime club. He also is getting my Rurouni Kenshin mangas. I wanted to ask him out Friday but I couldn't find him. I tried looking through the yearbook to find his last name, did it, than searched ICQ for his e-mail address. Found his name listed with his e-mail address and e-mailed him. Turns out, this was another person by the exact same name!!!! First and last!!! Grrrr...All I want to do is ask that damn guy out!!!! Why does this have to be so hard!?! *grumble grumble grumble* >:/
Beth H.
Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:28:18 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*Lynati enters*

Dreamie: oh. *dissapointed* I see that you have been talking to Aingeal...

Imzadi: Thank you. And I wasn't suggesting that pic anyway...I do have some other art lying around...or I could always do something new...

SJ: eep. I think I must take some of the blame for that VW comment of warpmind's...I was the one who mailed him two Callahan books that he hadn't read.

Todd Jensen: You're welcome. :)

Gside: Thank you for the Ranma tips. Although, anything after Hard Battle IMO is not worth the film it's printed on. (or whatever.) It's not even Rumiko's writing. :P And the replacement voice "actor" they have for the male version of Ranma...'nuff said.
And..."random people"??...*jaw pops loudly* Random...People...!!!...*singsong voice* some-one hasn't been paying much atten-tion... ;)

Also: TV/Music/etc. Causing violence: I feel I must quote Jhonen Vasquez, JTHM here:
"Any pile of stunted growth unaware that the entertainment industry is just that and nothing more, deserves to doom themselves to some dank cell, somewhere, for having been so stupid!! Movies, books, TV, music- they're all just entertainment, not guidebooks for damning yourself!"

The problem, people, is not kids seeing bad stuff; it is kids seeing bad stuff and realizing what they can get away with by blaming their actions on it. The children of this age are learning that it is more important to escape blame than to make sure that they don't do anything that blame must be taken for. No control. No discipline. No integrity!! And as I doubt that TV taught much of those things in the past, then their lack must belong to something (or someone(s)) else.
Is South Park right? do most adults expect TV to raise their children for them, and then get mad when they see that TV isn't doing a good job? SO...the parents are blaming other things for their own defeciencies...I was wondering where the children were learning this behavoir from!
Huh. This...This kind of turned into a mini-rant, didn't it? *shrugs* umm...okay...Later, all.

*Lynati returns to IM to continue to comfort Warpmind*


Lynati
Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:03:36 PM
IP: posseisdn130.the-posse.com

Imzadi > thank you for the kind words about my stories! And please do send me stuff for AvMists! I would like to see these icons you've been talking about. The next issue will come out at the beginning of June, and you can send things to me at christine@sabledrake.com

Jannie > 'Fairy Meat' is a game by the wacky guys at Kenzer & Co, the ones who do the Knights of the Dinner Table comic (a must for all gamers, along with Dork Tower). 'Fairy Meat' is a demented little game in which the PCs are all fairies, as in pixie-cute-with-wings, except these aren't your sweet little Fantasiaesque type: the idea is that you can increase your own power through fighting and then -- and this is the best part! -- CANNIBALIZING the other fairies. Gotta love it! So long as they're not trying to play Live Action Fairy Meat, I'm sure there's nothing to worry about ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:41:16 AM
IP: 02-071.075.popsite.net

Josh> Well none of what you're describing ever took place. But IF Demona lost an arm, Macbeth would feel the pain if he were in close enough proximity of her, he wouldn't lose the same limb.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:31:21 AM
IP: dialin-1216-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*Warpmind enters, looking mostly like something the cat dragged in.*
Ugh... got the flu today... :( At least I'm capable of physical movement now - managed to crawl out of bed around three PM today, but I still feel like <Insert choice euphemism here>. Oh, well...

Gleeb: LTNS stands for Long Time No See. :)

SJ: Cloning people? Well, lessee... more people means less space and more cars means more damage to the environment... God help us all when VW. };) By the way, the RP... I think we've all lost track of where Robby's characters, yours and mine are now...

Aaron: Devilish advocate? *Blushes* Sshhhhh... };) As for BF, there's a site that has'em... and a load of others. }:) And yes, that would be Demi. And I was kinda betting on Gside to make a correct identification first. };)

Wilek: So, a little nuke in your skull, huh? *Mutters something about an EMP cannon.* Oh, and sex when not for procreation isn't evil, true (actually, adultery not counting, I don't think the Bible says even once that sex is sinful), but pointless? Remember, there are a lot worse ways to waste time and burn away calories. ;)

Doug: *Nod* And I thank you.

Revel: Computers weighing no more that 1.5 ton? Would that be *metric* tons? Sounds like my machine... };)

Lynati: Glad you found your rock. :) As for the not-exactly-oriel issue... try to find me on IM or send me an e-mail, huh? Dunno how much IM time I get now, what with my sister coming home this week... :(

Archwolf: Best wishes, man. Whatever is going on... or will go on...

Dreamie: Welllllll.... we'll see. };)

Gside: Propose to random people at... *Blink* *Swat*

Well, that's it... I'll be surfin' randomly for a little while, I guess, hoping to see Lynati come online, or something... *Bwachoo* Then again, maybe not...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:16:25 AM
IP: mp-217-215-175.daxnet.no

(kicks typo) her and Macbeth. Her and Demona bah :)
Anonymous
Sunday, March 11, 2001 09:51:23 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-20.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Demona reforming limbs> Yes her and Demona do so. The originals disappearing and reforming oh them. Cut them into 200 pieces and still they reform and live again
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Sunday, March 11, 2001 09:50:34 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-20.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Today was my first day on the job. I pretty much worked from noon until midnight, sitting at my computer. "Work" today involved me helping two callers troubleshoot, which earned me a whopping $8! I'm told weekends are slow, and since we're paid by the call, they make the new guy (me) work Sat. and Sun. Kinda sucks to get shafted, but I'll get over it. Only 768 more calls to go before I get my Titanium Powerbook!

ARGH! I jacked a copy of OS X, the final copy that's being stamped and shipped in 13 days (Golden Master), and installed it flawlessly. Unfortunately, it couldn't find my WaveLAN card so its just as useless as the Public Beta was. I still can't get internet in OS X. Hopefully there will be an update...soon because I am DYING to switch. So I played around in the OS for a while before booting into 9. Its really fun to use and it works pretty well, but all the features of 9 aren't there yet, no support for all the hardware (like my USB hard drive), and then there's the whole "getting used to a revolutionary new OS" that's gonna bug me and other people. But I'm betting on an overall positive experience.

Todd: It's not a moot point at all just because it can't happen anymore. Character's histories (especially Demona's) are quite fascinating. I would love to see a chronology of what happened during those thousand years. And if she got smashed, I want to know who/what/where/when/why/how. And I dunno...I think Canada's gov't might be willing to step down for the "once and future king"

Here's another interesting demona question, along the lines of Gleeb's question. If Demona had an arm/leg chopped off, and it DIDN'T reform, would macbeth lose use of the same limb? hehe this is gettin pretty morbid. I mean, the spell's wording only covered immortality and pain transferrence. There's nothing in their about scarring or other permanent damage.

Gleeb: If you were the queen of England, would YOU let Arthur Pendragon set up shop in YOUR country? I loved that conversation between Demona and Macbeth (You've never been hung. Aye, but I was burned as a witch once)...I almost fell over laughing! Who wrote that episode anyway?

Lynati: yes, the artwork has to be GOOD. I'm in search of very high quality stuff (computer art is preferrable). Like the stuff on Crzy Dem's site. I like your style, but I'm concerned that the pic wouldn't make a very good icon. But if you have other stuff I'd love to see it. Also, "s" and "t" are very close to "d" on the keyboard...unless your using DVORAK, but who does that? I agree with you on the Arthur Pendragon flashbacks. They really added a lot to the series.

Coyote: I'll have to go and watch Hot Shots! now. If you are correct...kudos to you.

Lain: You have AOL IM? Wish you'd told me that earlier...I hate using ICQ.

Dreamie: Ooh, someone else that likes my quotes! I work hard to pull the best quotes from TV and Movies (not music though, there's way too many of those). I'm posted about half my quotes already, and I'm always searching for more. <<once in a while you’ll find one that’s perfectly pleasant>>: oh god, there are so many things I want to say in response to this. Any of them will get me banned. Nuts.

Gside: <<Plus, if you wanted to be safe>>: I'm taking over the world. No time for hiding in the basement! <<You wouldn't want to buy porn with ugly women>>: I wouldn't even steal pr0n with ugly women.

What if the volume and pressure aren't constant? Well, then you're f*cked.
-Angus McLelland, Physics 7b

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, March 11, 2001 05:27:21 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-25.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

* walks in with her long dark red (same as her skin color) tail swaying left to right* Man I wonder where all the gargoyles went? *walks over to a near by chair and grabs a book and wipes some of her flame red hair out of her young female gargolic face and begins to read on and on*
Stef< ah ha meet my counter part so unlike me ya dumb book worm!!
Stefa< oh go blow it out your ear!
*stef is a blonde so that was a blonde joke to her*
Stef< Oh yeah you stupid gargoyle clone now about a knuckle sandwhich or two!

*stefa and stef are fighting in a libary oh well what would you call this a um clone fight?*
P.S. dreamie your funny ^_^
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Sunday, March 11, 2001 03:13:54 AM
IP: 1cust197.tnt3.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Ah, to sleep twelve hours. So nice. But not that much difference from an average college weekend. But I must say that those Mousse fics are still quite addictive.

Fire Storm> Quick note: If you still want to get Ranma episodes off me, I can't get at them for the week, though s2e10 is still up and you haven't told me if you've gotten it yet.

Gleeb> <<yet they have a change of essentially useless warm weather clothes?>>: The important part of staying warm is layers. Air holds heat quite well if it stays with you. So they could just take off all but the bottom layer and be good to go.
<<Is there a way to use your own image when posting>>: Nope, which is probably a good idea with the extensive archiving we do. You never know how long a remote qicture is going to stay, and you don't want clog up s8 or garg fans with all the extra data. Plus, it would make it a tad more difficult for the admins to ensure the PG13 rating.

Doug> <<Hope we never feel the need to [use guilt in such a way] again>>: I'd say that might be another, subtler, use of guilt right there. You're pretty good.
<<I beg to differ on drunk people, maybe just cause I've lived through many bad experiences of dealing with their...>>: I do not disagree (my roomie happened to return drunk thursday night and proceeded to move the conteents of his stomach into the trash can), but I was referring to a lesser degree of drunk people.
<<I think people who like having fun with them in any way need professional help>>: I would like to take this time to claim that in my life (all 253.5ish months), I have had one alcoholic drind (at churce), and even passed on a raspberry chocolate bavarian I helped to make because of the raspberry liqueur it contained.
<<I hope you won't actually be cheating during it like you implied>>: I assure you, it is a completely and utterly legal cheat sheet. The professor even took a vote on how many people wanted one. And I would like to saw that mine appeared less dense than most others'.

Imzadi> <<I don't recall war having anything to do with that
comment>>: It may not have, but there is never a bad time to quote PB. Plus, if you wanted to be safe, wouldn't you want to go to a place where it's stupid to hold a war?
<<And you wouldn't want to get involved in a sorority orgy at UC Berkeley>>: I'm sure the porn studio would hire appropriate stand ins. You wouldn't want to buy porn with ugly women, would you?
<<you are obviously not really male if you don't know the difference between 18 and 50>>: I wasn't necessarially talking about women, I was saying that the degree of Merlin's robbing the cradle wouldn't change as much for the different ages. Though you did get the essence of what I was trying to get across.

Wrpmind> <<only way for me to stay in the US after G'01, would be to actually have a work visa issued by that time>>: My condolences, though I personally would want to have a job before I moved anywhere.
<<I suppose we all know how easily American enterprises will hire foreigners at entry level>>: Isn't unemplayment amazingly low right now?
<<the other possibility would be a marriage visa, applied for by a fiancé already in the US>>: You could always proposition random people at the Gathering.
<<when I spoke of the mouse wheel as a tutoring tool>>: I know, I was just trying to say that we've already gotten an idea about it from other sources, though getting practice is something else entirely.

Welcome back Shadowrider.

Lain> <<the cutest, most naively innocent demoness you can imagine - and a LOT of sex>>: Is there any way I could get my hands on that address? Never mind, I think I found it.
<<Big, evil groin>>: I don't blame him.
<<EVIL TYPO!>>: At least it's better than evil coffee.

Aaron> <<I dunno if anybody here’s ever read that one>>: I've heard of it, and I seem to remember reading a selection of pages once, but not in great volume.
<<I wasn’t reading it one-handed, thank you>>: Sure.
<<just to short-circuit what Warpy and Gside are going to say>>: Aw.
<<I *knew* you’d get it>>: Thank you.
<<But the nice free site I was using doesn’t seem to be there anymore>>: For free stuff, you really only need one place (there's a good collection of links in addition to the material on site), and that would be animeuncut. It's a top level domain (not .com), so you should be able to find it (and hopefully that doesn't count as a link).
<<Like buy your hat for $100>>: Or run around with their pants on their heads shouting "Frog blast the vent core." Please note, that was two references for the price of one.

Wilek> <<Quit with the wang thing or Chibi-Me will subject you to rough wangage>>: I'll be wang. Good. I meant good, I didn't really say wang, you just thought I did.
<<bland is better than coughing up finger bone>>: You don't know what you're missing.
<<I guess that rule only applies to the bad ones>>: True, I believe a good example is the Witchcraft series. But then I'm not really a fant of horror.
<<Examples, or a link?>>: The most famous example is at the end of Looking Glass, but I'm sure most Carrollian biographies have a good selection. Yes, Lewis Carroll was actually Charles Lutwidge Dodgeson, a math professor.
<<I'll put up with this until y'all come for me with the cross and the nails>>: I was thinking more along the lines of a Big Brother influence.
<<Isn't it an insult to the human condition to claim that an entire facet of our behavior is dominated by our genes?>>: That one particular gene essentially defines our overall hormone balance, which does have a goodly effect on our brains.
<<Isn't the whole point of sentience to rise above our genetic programming?>>: I'm too lazy to fight it.
<<Gunjack and I fought them off>>: Spoilsports. Though I don't believe I took any action one way or the other.
<<Catchy tune, but WTF...?>>: Haven't a clue, but I think that's part of the point. Though the hat does seem to be somewhat important.
<<Dare I ask?>>: No. Buck (Buckley Forest Nuid) is a super hero in Supermegatopia. He has the simplest costume imaginable, and there is some disagreement whether he's a mutant or gifted.
<<Deflection and dispersal, dissolution and despair!>>: Light diffraction labs?

Lynati> <<what do you need on your computer to (access, view) those Ranma eps>>: Whichever media player recognizes the format they were encoded in. Actually, Realplayer is the most common, followed by asf and avi which Windows media player can work with.
<<where can I get them from?>>: animeon.cjb.net Although, it doesn't yet have movie 2 or the seasons beyond 5.

Dreamie> <<Might you have an approximate date of that discussion?>>: Not a clue. Sometime after late '99. I'd say within six months, but I wouldn't trust myself.

I'll deal with the mp3 tomorrow.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, March 11, 2001 02:59:24 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

:::bounds in grinning:::
Alright I’m finally getting caught up in here... it’s been a while ;)

Gside:<<Did you catch my theory on the technology needed for massive genetic restructuring, and its implications for nigh immortality?>> I didn’t catch that one.. I didn’t go *all* the way back, but that sounds like something I’d really enjoy reading! Might you have an approximate date of that discussion? ^_^

Warpmind:<<You're attending G'01, right? You, and most of the others there will probably receive a rather... substantial surprise. ]:) *Leans over to plot with Lynati.* >> If it’s turkey basters I’ll be very disappointed. :::chuckles:::

Kaioto: <<Looks like that one might be a keeper, eh? ;-)>> :::grins:: Absolutely.

Aaron:<<You got the seat covers?!? Boss! The most I could ever find was a steering wheel cover. >> Well actually they’re Snow Tiger print... but that’s equally “boss”. ^_~ And I found the steering wheel cover yesterday! Whoo! (helpful hint: Target and Auto Supply stores) <<<Dreamie, Christine> So, did the earth move for you two? ;) >> I refuse to delve into the realms of innuendo on that one. :::chuckle:::

Christine: Good luck on the book! <<our house is right on the projected path of the worst damage should more serious ones hit -- the very path, naturally, that I-5 is along!>> :::Gasp::: Cripes!! O.o

On a wrestling Note..... While I understand his reasoning, it really is a great loss that Jerry “The King” Lawler quit in protest of his wife‘s (Stacy “The Kat“ Lawler) firing. Some people might have thought he was a bit annoying, but personally I thought he was quite entertaining, especially in color commentating. He will be missed. (For more details see www.kinglawler.com)

Katara:<<Has anyone else seen the latest Round Table Pizza commerical>> I did! :::loud laugh::: I jumped out of my chair and said “Oh my god! It’s Thom!”

Hey wait.. did someone mention Pikachu?! :::with suddenly glazed over eyes she raises a graphic pen over her head chanting eerily::: Gotta kill ‘em all... Gotta kill ‘em all... :::She is promptly slapped across the face just as she begins a pursuit::: Eh... I uh.... um...:::cough::: nevermind. :-x

<<mini-poster contest>> Whoo hoo! :::grins and high fives Winterwolf:::

Winterwolf:<<Shaken but not stirred right? ;) **imagines there will be retaliation for that** >> I challenge you to a DUEL! :::Runs after him with outstretched wiggling tickle fingers::: Hold fast, sirrah! Thee but need a hearty tickling!
Welcome back to the CR, and congrats on that new connection! You were missed!

Shadowrider: Hey there! It’s good to hear all’s well! ^_^

Naimhgold: Hey hey! <<But I do not that at least three pieces of my artwork will be making it to the con, so at least I'll be there in spirit (again!)>> Aw... I hope you’re able to make it in a coming year... I’m really looking forward to seeing your artwork! And have fun in the Caribbean! Oh by the way, you should have some email soon ;)

Kit and Doug: :::gasp:: I hope all your friends recover completely! <<please excuse Kit's behavior earlier tonight. We just got back from the club and she had a few drinks.>> Well for having “a few drinks” she did make some valid points! :::laughs:::

Gunjack Valentine:<Unfortunately, mainly loons are on now... oh and Doug. :::laughs:::>> *Glances over the top of "Cyrano de Begerac"* And me. ; ) >> Oh right... Valentine.... uh... pudding anyone? >:)

Lain:<<Men are jerk bastards!>> I disagree... while quite a few arguably can be, once in a while you’ll find one that’s perfectly pleasant. ^_~

Earthquake: I’d say everyone fared pretty well. Personally I only had a few broken bottles. Much of the area was prepared after observing the California ‘quakes and doing upgrades. When it hit I dove under a table to the oh so pleasant sounds of breaking glass... and afterwards began herding baffled people in the right directions :::laughs:::

Fire Storm:<<So, a riot last night wasn't enough for you up there in Seatle so you had to go and have an earthquake, eh?>> You know they’re now selling T-shirts downtown that say “Mardi-Gras Revenge”? :::laughs::: But still it’s a good thing it didn’t hit any sooner.. a few hours before and there would have been large crowds in some of the most heavily damaged areas... a couple dozen falling bricks would have made quite a mess out of a number of the party goers.

Crzy:<<"Humans fear what they don't understand.”>> Very, very true.

Doug:<<You don't think I'm a loon? :) Thanks, I'm glad someone doesn't.>> :::laughs::: Well you seem very level headed to me.... but if I was wrong... :::chuckles::: <<Oh, and for the record, I was only up because I was trying to finish a very big post.>> We all have our reasons ^_~ Oh and Happy Belated Birthday!

<<bullies>> When I get really fed up, usually a confrontation ensues. When I decide the slanderer’s sanity is somewhat lacking, I tend to leave them to their own devices as to me they don‘t know any better. But hey that’s just me.

Ironwolf:<<Love at first sight now this is refreshing knowing more people who have experienced it. give us single people hope :o) >> I feel there’s a perfect person out there for everyone... unfortunately some people stop looking too soon. Every person deserves true love.

Welcome Gleeb!

Fanfic debate: Everyone has their own tastes and opinions... and I’ll leave it at that.

Greg debate: Personally I’m just grateful he got the show on the air in the first place.. there’s so many wonderful events, and wonderful people :::grins wide::: that might not have come into play in all of our lives had he not pushed for it.

Now, let us all sit at the Tea Table of Peace, link hands and think nice beautiful calming thoughts. As an old friend of mine always used to say... :::slow soft voice::: Everything’s going to be ok. ^_^

Imzadi: You know, I love your quotes. ^_^ And... can I have Easter Island?

On that note... does that Marshmallow Peep commercial really entertain anyone else but me?

Have a nice night!
:::Grins and bounds out of the CR:::
Dreamie
Sunday, March 11, 2001 01:53:41 AM
IP: aca67893.ipt.aol.com

*adds some extra hugs and prayers for Archwolf and Aingeal, hugs them both softly and leaves in silence*
lain
Sunday, March 11, 2001 01:08:58 AM
IP: ttyb06.ptbo.igs.net

Coyote>> sorry my dear but I have no AOL IM at home, which is where I am now.. this computer would seriously PASS OUT (or do what computers do it lieu of passing out..) so I only have MSN messenger on here.. sorry :( I'll be back on Mutant Enemy on monday.. the laptop that can handle three instant messengers simultaneously but has.. other.. (how shall I say it?) ISSUES... ;)

and now I am home alone in a big creepy house cos my dad ain't comin home tonight :(

gah.. but now the fire needs feeding and I must depart to the land of ZZZZZzzzzzzzz... (which is also the land of watching "Shadowlands" in a sleeping bag my the fire trying not to zonk out)
;)

see you later
all my love,

lain
Sunday, March 11, 2001 01:07:05 AM
IP: ttyb06.ptbo.igs.net

*Archwolf staggers in, looking odd*

I do live. Been busy...been *looks at Aingeal* Anyway.

Mec and Cat>>Sheesh. 'Bout time!! *hugs and high fives both*

*Walks to the table of peace and deposits two items. The first, an intricately worked rapier, the second a small women's ring.* Two things done, at least for now. The rapier, my own pledge to stop anger in its track, to try to work things out with other people.

Personal Stuff>Been busy as heck, just got back in from Regional Champs at Detriot. Leave it at that.

Gratz to those that needs gratzing, hugs to those that need hugging (anymore, i think that includes us all)

*Scrubs hands through hair* I have too much to do. I'll try to come back again later

Shade and Sweet water.

Archwolf
Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:39:36 PM
IP: viking203-213.dhcp.csuohio.edu

SOROW: Congratulations and condolences. :(

Shadowrider: No news on the police deal right now, it'll be a while before I even consider going through with it. And I mean a long while- years. Thanks for the good luck wishes and your advice on getting a new job- that's a ways away too, Kit and I have decided. Right now we have the house to worry about, and we think that until we get fully moved and settled into it, keeping our lives as stable as possible would be the best thing. That means I stay in the job I have now- no problem for me if the two new hires starting on Monday work out. The new guy who was supposed to start Thursday didn't show up (Thus Gene had to work a double), and this week we are REALLY shorthanded. So shorthanded it's taken two officers coming in on their off days, Thomas's double tonight, and one quadruple shift (Rubio did that, amazing god of endurance that he is) so far to pull us out. I'm having to work a lot of extra hours myself too- the money's nice, but it gets awful tiring. Oh well, Monday and Tuesday I should be off. :)

Top Something!
Doug
Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:16:21 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.59.dlls.grid.net

Bullying - I commend the authorities who see the need to teach better coping skills. (some) seem to think this is not any type of solution to the problem that exists these days…. Where do you propose to begin? I am certainly not condoning bullying of others – I despise the behavior, but it’s been around for eons of years and will continue being around for many more to come. (Bullies grow up to be bigger bullies – they are the ones that are major assholes within the corporations, the jerks on the highways, possible spouse abusers, and the neighbor that everyone hates.) One thing that can be done is to try and teach others to cope when they are the victims. That does not mean accepting what is happening – it just gives them a way to deal with it without going ballistic and start shooting up the school. It’s ONE way of dealing with the problem, not the single solution. There are many factors involved here, many faults in our society that has led to this type of retaliation. Yes, violent music, movies, and video games is a contributing factor… once again.. not the single reason for it, but a contributing factor none the less. There is also a very high level of lack of respect for others, basically very little morals that are being taught in a lot of the homes, lack of discipline (both self discipline and consequences for behaviors) and parents who are in total denial of what their child is capable of doing. “not MY Thomas!” yeah riiiight! I’ve seen parents argue with teachers and administrators saying that everyone is lying because their child said otherwise. We had one student, Gabriel, that was caught over and over doing inappropriate things – eyewitness accounts (from teachers and staff) and yet the parents took his side and were even overheard telling him to NEVER confess to anything again! (he originally admitted doing it and then denied it when dad showed up) Well, needless to say, that child is now in juvenile detention. D’uh! I realize that even the most diligent and attentive parents can have a child go wrong – but more cases than not, the parents KNEW there was a problem and yet refused to do anything about it.
I see children who have absolutely no respect for anyone else or any property of others. How many of these children that have shot fellow classmates listen to violent music? Quite a few, I believe… and yet it has no influence on them? I don’t think so. No, that does not mean that everyone who listens to it is going to go on a shooting rampage – but those who have, it’s a contributing factor in their already demented mind. During the process of trying to teach children coping skills – a lot of times other issues are revealed and hopefully can be stopped before they reach the point of deadly explosion.

SJ> I had very mixed emotions for the 14 year old that brutally beat to death the young girl. (can’t remember her age right now) From what I’ve heard, I have no doubt that he was guilty and that it was not just imitating wrestling and an “accident”. They said that the girl’s liver was torn in two or something like that – among many other violent abrasions and injuries to her poor body. I heard the judge tell him that IF the girl was conscience, he did not heed her cries of pain and stop.. but hopefully and mercifully the child was unconscious during the attack. He was 100 plus pounds and she weighed 40 something. * shakes head sadly * I hate to see a 14 year spend the rest of his life in jail for something that he did while he was 12. But then again, if you do an adult crime, you should do the adult time. I heard that they are talking about not putting teens in prison now…. They’re not being sent to prison for stealing a bicycle, they are being sent to prison for murder! Fine, make a prison for teen murderers with about a minimum of 20 years before probation.
There are very few consequences for most juveniles that commit crimes – and they know this. It’s time to show them otherwise.
Lain> I’m glad that you had a heart to heart and open discussion with your dad. You know, he may see you as being more mature now and will feel as if he can and will treat you more like an adult now. =) *hugs *

Trench coat > Michael has a very nice one made by Nautical and I have a denim trench coat. *grins * But those who wear the coats all year long seem…well… goofy. (silly type) Unless of course, it’s for a character or costume – as Coyote mentioned wearing it in Orlando. At least during the hot summer months…
I personally like the looks of trench coats.

Coyote> yes, military does seem to be more “republican” for the reasons you stated… and so far, it’s proven true. GW Bush has already asked for an increase in the military personnel’s salary =)

Todd> I too enjoyed the Zeta Project today… nice developments with humor. Also, Denis sends his thanks for the update you gave him last week =) I finally got up in time to tape X-Men and it was a blasted rerun… eesh.

Traumatic experience for me this morning: I had my sliding glass door opened (no screen) and when I came back into the living room.. there as a BIRD sitting on my fireplace. *screams like a girl * Yes, I have a horrid fear of birds! A bird-a-phobia *nods * After screaming, dancing around the room in a panic stricken jig, pee’ing my pants and shouting for my gun to shoot the damn thing, Michael shoo’d it outside. Needless to say, there is now a screen on my sliding doors. * shudders* A bird in my house!! * whimpers*

Ok, Anna and I compromised on her weekend role playing…. She came home today and said that they did “Fairy Meat”. Has anyone heard of this? What is it about?


Aaron> I’m just doing friendly bantering with you, you know this, right? =) As far as Gore being in Vietnam… please! *chuckles * yes, he was there – but as a journalist and never left the safety of the his daddy’s arms, so to speak.

I’m thinking of getting a third Chihuahua…. Juanita told me that she would like to start building her own kingdom to rule over… Taco has not been much of a challenge… big wimp dog. Hehehe

OOoo The District is on! bye and hugs for all :)
Jannie
Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:07:50 PM
IP: 209-144-251-128.hou.port.mytelco.com

Technical 10th!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 09:59:10 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Ten!!
Lynati
Saturday, March 10, 2001 09:59:04 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-184.rasserver.net

SJ> Ditto to everything you said about JMS. He's high on my list of great writers.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:50:13 PM
IP: dialin-1651-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Lucky number 9! ^_^
Dreamie
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:49:06 PM
IP: aca67893.ipt.aol.com

Top Ten!
Beth H.
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:47:51 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Fifth.

* BRIEF SPOILERS FOR "THE ZETA PROJECT" *

Since they did a new episode of this one this morning, I thought I'd give a brief commentary on it.

I very much liked it, and was especially LOL at West's misadventures. (My favorite points were: 1. when West tells Bennet that he doesn't know where the train's going and Bennet replies in a really fed-up manner, "Ask somebody", and 2. when Bennet reveals a strong desire to use some of the high-tech weaponry that they were going to use to capture Zeta on West.

On the more serious level, I also liked the scene at the end where the agent who had raised the possibility at the beginning of the series that Zeta was telling the truth about his change of heart now seems to have noticed how Zeta had saved both the train and West; I can't help but suspect that she's going to be the member of Bennet's team who's going to increasingly realize the truth about the fugitive robot.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:45:38 PM
IP: 216.87.46.226.dialup-stl.primary.net

Sixth... maybe? I am alive guys, really.


---Emambu
Emambu
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:43:57 PM
IP: proxy2-external.wyn1.pa.home.com

Well, no RP for tonight. A very brief recess in my RP, just for a day or two, until Robby posts, or at least until I can confer with him on what's gonna happen. Robby....or Alan, I suppose....if you could maybe send an email to me or to, or allow me to send an email to you, just to get a few facts straight about the RP. Whatever you write is totally yours, but there were a couple things that I wanted to maybe include in the end of the Ten Saga, to sort of make my own RP work. I'd appreciate that, if it's possible.

Crzy: Well, I speak of the devil and bam.....if that is the case, let me scream JEWEL FAULKNER!!!! JACKAL!!!! TRAVELER!!! (okay, he shows up now and again, but not enough!) ARIS!!!! (yes, in a bizarre sort of way, I do miss having Aris around to infuriate me) RAVYN!!!!! (Sort of for Coyote) And yes, it IS good to see Fred posting in here again, isn't it? WE were certainly very concerned, you and I, that he would never post in the CR again, but I'm glad to see that that's not the case.

I am wondering if this is a one time deal, or if you will be posting regularly again. I, frankly, would find it an interesting dynamic to see you post in here more often, but if not, well then I guess I will just have to bow and say see you in Toledo.

Aaron: JMS is, IMO, a wonderful writer who has done a lot of solid work, and has delivered us one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) science fiction programs ever in Babylon 5. Ironically enough, he has done some 'toon work himself (most notable on the "Real Ghostbusters" series), and is currently at work developing new series for television as well as putting out some brilliant (as well as critically-acclaimed) comics, namely "Rising Stars", "Midnight Nation", as well as the Amazing Spider-Man.
Does that answer your question?

Wilek: Your damn straight you'd better start RPing again. The comment room seems almost.....sane (BLECCH!!!)...without a truly twisted Wilekian RP to up the craziness.
Oh, and I'm gonna race you in line to get Barker's toys. All I can say is, Long Time Coming!!! I mean, up until this point, I've had to do with just the regularly macabre Spawn toys, and while it's cool to have a whole bunch of action figures (Not dolls, damnit!) of decomposing superheroes/villains, frankly it hasn't been enough. I, for one, think that the world is ready for demonic, sadomasochistic Cenobites immortalized in plastic. I can't wait to get my hands on them. I have such sights to show them.....

lain: Well, I'm glad that you stood up to your father. It was time, I think. I don't know what caused his attitude towards you or your mother's things, but I'm glad that you put your foot down. The pottery may not mean much to him, but to you they represent a tangible connection to your mother. I only hope that his opinion of your schoolwork and your social life improves as well.
Oh, and if anyone was to ever write a book about you, it would have to be titled "The Jerk"! ;)

Coyote: Another Battlebots fan, huh? Well then, you'll probably understand this rant: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, "BUDDY DON'T PLAY IN THE STREET" DOES **NOT** DESERVE TO BE IN THE BATTLEBOT ARENA!!!! But if it does wind up there.....SOMEBODY DRIVE THOSE PUPPIES INTO THE KILL SAWS!!!! Ah, thank you.
Oh, and I'm sad to say that I DO remember "Knight Rider 2020", and judging by the general lame-ass-ness of that show, I fear we'd get more of the same with a Hasslehoff KR revival.

Now if you will excuse me, I must go not watch the XFL.
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:38:16 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

er... fourth?

- To Todd Jensen -
Neat ideas. Thanks!

-To Coyote the Bando -
I *love* Trigun! The anime is great. The manga is even better. I was just a little dissapointed at the ending of the anime, but I won't get into that since you said you haven't seen it yet. I just hope it will be continued one day, maybe in a movie or OAV. The manga is still running though, and it's recently taken some interesting turns. I can't wait for the next chapter!


Gleeb - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:37:23 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Top ten.

**sigh** Seems a little empty without her, huh? :)
Coyote the Bando
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:37:06 PM
IP: 216.28.101.7

second!
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:31:02 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-246.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

FIRST!!!
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, March 10, 2001 08:25:24 PM
IP: dialin-1651-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net