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XenaTrek> Hey, as much as my guys scared you, your guys scared me a bit too. :) The thing is, I don't know how I would play the MSU team from a coaching standpoint! I mean, Illinois, I knew we had to beat them at their own physical game...Ole Miss, beat 'em with a running, up-tempo game...MSU, I'm not sure yet. :) The only comfort I have right now is that one of the biggest geniuses in college basketball is sitting down for the next few days and analyzing hours and hours of game tapes of you guys...he'll come up with something. :) Thanks for rooting us on, too...we needed your help! And don't worry...here, I was jumping all around and yelling and screaming at the TV...quite fun. ;) That's funny too that you think Loren Woods is scary! He certainly is one taaaallllll dude, let me tell ya. From someone who's only 5'3" standing next to him, you feel mighty tiny right quick. ;) But you know who's even more scary is the silent Michael Wright...he didn't do much in the Illinois game you saw, but if he breaks out with one of his usual games....whew, he's an awesome player. I'd fear him, and Gilbert Arenas. ;)

Gladiator as Best Picture> YAAAAY!!! Okay, so I really, really loved this movie. I know not a lot of other people in here liked it, but I certainly wanted it to win Best Picture. And I'm verrrry glad Russell Crowe got Best Actor, too...I thought he was much, much better than any of the other guys. :) I think what did in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" was that it was up for Best Foreign Film, and for some reason the committee just doesn't feel like giving both Best Foreign and Best Picture to the same movie. Sorry, guys. ;) But go, Maximus! ;)

**goes nuts for a moment, squealing and giggling and bouncing off the walls at the thought of Shawn Michaels and a Kliq reunion** :)

AotN> I'm so excited about "Atlantis" also!!!! I think it looks rather awesome. I can't wait to see it. ;)

**hugs Coyote on her way out** :)
Ravyn
Monday, March 26, 2001 08:57:49 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Sarge> *sticks out her tongue* Hey, I talk about what I know and like, and since I'm never in here... I'm a senior in high school, and it's *April*! The only time I'm on the compu anymore is to write essays. :P Besides, I read Dark Ages because I like Demona as a nice gargie. Plus I HATE ELISA. Uh-oh, I guess I shouldn't write that in here...!

DPH> Thanx for filling me in on the status of the stories; again, I'm not in here much. And about the pictures- ...For God's sake, I was just goofing off!! *worry drop* Do I really seem that ditsy?!?

Okay, now I know that this subject has probably been discussed in here already, but I just can't contain myself. Doesn't "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" look sweet?!?!
I didn't even know that Disney was coming out with something new again! Usually I keep up with these things, but I haven't seen a movie, *any* movie, in the theater since "Tarzan".

Well, here's some cool stuff that's happened to me this year, if anyone is interested. It basically explains why I've been so busy. I've worked really hard at my grades, and I'm gonna graduate ninth in a class of 385. I'm Chaplain of NHS, and I'm fourth chair in our Symphonic Band, which plays AA level music (one of 18 highschool bands in the state) and right now we're getting ready to go to state competition. I'm also in show choir. We had a competition on Saturday, in which we won awards for Best Male Soloist (that's his third award this year! Go, Skiffy!!), Best Instumentalists, Best Choreography, Best Show Concept (our director and choreographer are *awesome*!!), and first place in our division. After the night competition (usually six groups get called back to perform and get judged again), we ended up coming in second overall. We really wanted the first place, but the group who won has been winning Grand Championships since November, and we've only been competing since January (plus we beat them during the day- ha, ha, ha! :P). So, that's where I've been, anyway. Also, I'm going to Bowling Green State University next year, and I'm preparing for that, too.

One other cool thing that's happening to me: I'm going to New York City with my show choir this week for five days!!! Ya-hoo!!!! We are visiting the Statue of Liberty, the Empire State Building, Saks Fifth Avenue, FAO Shwartz, Chinatown, Soho, and Central Park (Strawberry Fields!), etc. We're performing at the Seaport Mall and St. John the Divine. And here's the best part: we have front row balcony tickets to "The Lion King"!! We're also seeing "The Music Man" and "Aida". Some people from our group are going to see "Rocky Horror Picture Show"- a former member from our group is "Rocky". I'm seeing "Aida", however; it's supposedly the hottest ticket on Broadway. We also get to have workshops with Broadway performers from these shows! Woo-hoo!!!

Well, bye for now!! :)

AotN
Monday, March 26, 2001 08:27:58 PM
IP: fn-39-11.sssnet.com

XenaTrek: Got your CC of your two messages to Yahoo's customer service addy ... sounds to me like they don't want to admit they have a problem.
As far as the game goes, MSU-'Zona is scheduled to start at 5:32pm on Saturday. (And for those who don't care about State and 'Zona, Duke-Maryland is scheduled to start at 8:12, or in other words when the first game ends. ;)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, March 26, 2001 07:37:22 PM
IP: 216.28.101.147

:::Stands from the Tea Table of Peace for a few moments:::

Sevarius Jr.: <<Vince runs the whole freakin' show, and as a wrasslin fan, I don't know if that's all that good. >> It could be good in that Vince can now introduce some “quality” storyline writing into WCW, or hey, they could have a clash of writing style and turn out some real crap. Either way, I’m hoping to see that whole “Clash of the Titans” angle between the two Federations. One downfall though... Two combined federations and only *one* quality commentator... let the fun begin. (Come back JERRY!)

<<But if YOU like wrestling, you should tune in to the last WCW Nitro ever,>> Maybe it will be good this once?

<< as not only will there be some surprises in store, but several WWF stars will be on hand. I've heard that Edge and Christian (2 of my faves) will appear...and ladies....one rumor I've heard is that Shawn Michaels himself may make an appearance! ;) >> My wrestling ladies group is sure excited about the return, and I also hear Mick Foley could make an appearance as well. I say Shawn should act as commentator, he does it rather well. The great commentator duos are usually one “anti-boss” and one “funny suck up”. I’m interested in seeing an anti-boss and a “poke fun at everything.” ^_^ Though there is one interesting aspect... since WWF purchased WCW, there is a possibility of a Kliq reunion.

Crzy:<<The doujinshi is RAW. >> Is that a new Japanese wrestler I have yet to hear about? :::laughs:::

FS:<<God, Emperor of Seattle! :)>> :::ears perk up::: Bill Gates is *where*? :::looks around:::
FS and Christine: <> Well I just went looking for some news stories to confirm what I thought happened to it... so here‘s a snippet: “Spokesman Caleb Schaber, 27, part of a core group of about 15 members of Some People, said the plan now is to do minor repair work and return the monolith to Magnuson Park, where it will be mounted more securely in an attempt to prevent future kidnappings.” I believe I also heard it was to be at the park until spring? But I’m not sure. And uh :::nervous look::: No I uh... haven’t seen it yet. :::Hides a large clunky remote behind her back::: ^_^

See you next time Shadowrider!

Imzadi:<<and then tell Crzy and Dreamie that they are goddesses for providing most of the beautiful art for this project! Thanks I love you guys!>> :::blushes and stubs her toe in the ground::: It was nothing. I’m glad I could help. ^_^
<<Please try again. >> I suddenly feel like I’m talking to a magic 8 ball with a stuck block.

Sarge:<<I'm so weird. >> Yet not uncommon ^_~

Winterwolf:<<**faints after he is the target, laughing till his body can’t take anymore, as the stunt double quits** >> :::Stares and looks down at him::: Hey uh... anyone know what to do when they go unconscious? Or do I want to know. <<General thoughts>> Nice! But I’d like to add... “Don’t take everything in life so seriously, no one makes it out alive."

Aaron:<> Aw... I’m sorry Aaron! :::hugs:::

Cloning Body Parts: Let us all protest the regenerating lizard, then sit down with a nice cup o’ Joe and see if *that* makes any sense.

Doug:<>Thanks :::grins:::
<<Good luck. :) >> I’ve already had great luck in that I found him. ^_~

Banning/leaving/flaming: Being a rather laid back individual, I have nothing to add. :::Sits back down at the Tea Table of peace with Winterwolf, Ravyn and Coyote:::

13 weeks and 3 days until the Gathering! ^_^
Dreamie
Monday, March 26, 2001 07:33:03 PM
IP: ac8003d8.ipt.aol.com

Thanks to everybody for the favorable comments on "History's Forgotten". I was a bit nervous about that one, so it comes as something of a relief to see that it got good reviews here.

* BRIEF BEHIND-THE-SCENES SPOILER-OF-A-SORT *

Jeremiah Bowen's name (or his surname, to be precise) was something of a Lovecraftian reference on my part (alongside a few other elements that I wrote in TGS, such as the mention of Madoc in the flashback part of "Homecoming" as being the Lord of Anchester, a reference to the Necronomicon in the Lord Sorcerer's library in "The Adopted", and, of course, the weird critters in "Dragon's Stone"); in one of Lovecraft's last stories, "The Haunter in the Dark", there was a "Enoch Bowen" among the off-stage characters, an oddball Egyptologist who founded a Great Old Ones-worshipping cult in Providence, Rhode Island, inspired by some of his Egyptian finds. I don't think that Jeremiah Bowen will go quite as far, but his surname was inspired by Enoch's. (We can probably get away with Lovecraftian references, given that in the Batman animated series they did a bit of Lovecraft-name-borrowing for Arkham Asylum....)

* BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMMENT ENDS *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, March 26, 2001 06:25:43 PM
IP: 216.87.46.163.dialup-stl.primary.net

*Lynati ducks in, smiling because there is another message on her anwsering machine.*

ooh! new story!! *read read read*
Heh heh...mmm...yummy story...glad to see that the hostile air of the CR recently hasn't affected the TGS fic quality.

lain: Oh. Well...Did they have any Jelly Donuts?

*Lynati exits*
Lynati
Monday, March 26, 2001 03:30:29 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-10.rasserver.net

Okay this a bad day for everyone in the world. Why? Because my ego just got a little bit more powerful ::montage of giant rolling behemoth crushing cities and stuff::

I just got the greatest letter from Doug about my fic. Not only did he like it (aside from a few things that desperately need to be changed), but he also thought that I wrote the characters from TGS and Gargoyles (who were, of course, part of my story) really well. Not only that, but he thought the funny part was actually funny! No one thinks I'm funny! So I'm stoked. TIme to get back to work on it, and make it something I'm really proud of.

:starts singing NIN lyrics:: Kinda like a cloud I was up, way up, in the sky and I was feeling some feelings you wouldn't believe. Sometimes I don't believe in myself and I decided I was never coming down.

Oscars: Thank god Gladiator won best picture. In my opinion, CTHD was the movie with plot holes large enough to drive a submarine through (and given how I drive and the size of a submarine, that's quite large). I'm glad Julia Roberts finally won something. I think she's a charming actress and I actually liked Erin Brockovich. I'm so glad that Tom Hanks didn't win best actor. I mean, how hard is it to act opposite a volleyball? Anyway, Julia Roberts' speech was really funny.

Lain: <<sleep on top of me>>: Um. Right. I'll have to find some other canadian chick. <<O JOSH YE ARE MY GOD>>: I know. 8-). But I don't thik I'm the god of THOSE things. You have me mistaken for either Steve Jobs, Lady Godiva, or Tom Cruise.

SJ: I agree with you on Hillary Swank, but she didn't look as good as Julia Roberts.

Taleweaver: In my opinion, a good movie is not one that you have to watch twice to follow. That's like all the idiots who didn't follow Mission Impossible saying it was good because they didn't get it. A good movie, in my opinion, is one that you can watch once and then spend endless hours debating and talking about.

Gside: <<1812 blowing off bumpers>>: LOL. I'll try that if I can find a copy of it. <<One dollar>>: Yes, one dollar. Whoever gets a significant other first has to give the other guy a dollar. Deal? <<spoiled>>: Okay, I've read all the TGS eps in all four series. I guess I'm qualified.

Conspiracy: <<web times>>: or you could just write up the html yourself: 3 days

Todd: Cool story. Nice job of reminding us of Brooklyn's stay in Egypt, and showing us that even unseelie have good things in their history.

Cali: <<you be the gigalo>>: I dunno...it might pay well, but I'm not really into the idea of sleeping with women who can only get laid by paying for it.

FS: <<fan>>: Ah, I see (on overclocking). I actually don't know if you CAN overclock a G4, and don't forget that people using a cube (the target market is artsy yuppies) aren't gonna be overclocking. But you offer a good point. And of course rocket scientists have a firm understanding of thermodynamics. Thermo is critical for understanding rocket propulsion and internal effects on the rocket of said propulsion.

Windows© 98(n) - 32-bit extensions and graphical shell for a
16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
LOS ANGELES!!!, CA, US of A
Monday, March 26, 2001 02:58:52 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-90.nhwd02.pacbell.net

*TGS SPOILERS!*

I really liked this story! A letter from Brooklyn, and a lost token of Sekhmet's former love.
Keep up the good work!

*END SPOILERS!*

Christine: <Maybe Dreamie knows>
Now all we need is to find Dreamie...
Have you seen the monolith in person?

Lady Mystic: 
Heres to hoping that something can be worked out.
<He's really good, (With soldering irons.) knows what he's doing and improves in skill all the time>
Yeah! I almost never burn myself anymore.
On soldering irons, anyway.

imzadi: <Because it doesn't need one, rocket scientist>
Hmm... I don't think that rocket scientists understand thermodynamics too much.
<It uses convection and gravity to cool the machine, another excellent engineering feature. Why is a fan so important to you?>
Well, to me anyway, I have never been a fan of totally passive cooling systems for complex electronics.
A stereo, fine. DVD player, fine.
But I think that any piece of equipment that generates alot of heat and costs $1500 should have a more active means of cooling. THAT, and with a fan you can overclock!

Gside: <Chicken goes surprisingly well with alfredo sauce>
Why is that surprising? Shrimp goes pretty well too.
<And what is the percentage of meat in the supposed sandwiches?>
1.5lbs meat per sandwich. God, I love Wheat and Rye. GREAT resturant! $6 gets your a 1.5lb corned beef sandwich and a big pile of fries.
<You mean just tell it to write more than it thinks it can?>
Pretty much, yes. Try it. if it works, cool. If not... let me check my notes.
<The plastic smell does tend to linger>
Oh yeah... which explains that lingering smell that they cannot get out of the electronics class at my old high school. We blew up too much!
<But he psychologically tortures Nabiki><Nabiki should never marry Ryoga. It opens up too many punish rhymes>
Hmm... who punishes who? NO! I *MUST* resist!

Yeah, you can. A screwdriver (with jumper cord) to touch the cathode connector and the other on the anode.

Kyryn: VERY well said! Now THAT is how posts should be in this CR!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, March 26, 2001 11:55:25 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

hmm. I can not think of a cruel enough death for DC to equal what DC did to Robby.

uno y uno es cero.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, March 26, 2001 11:55:14 AM
IP: max1-6.cwy.cei.net

****Kyryn steps in and goes to sit down at the Tea Table of Peace.****

You know. Lately I've been feeling kind of burned out. I am going to be stepping down as the Head of Edits on TGS, but I am NOT going to be leaving. Originally, I had thought about it. I've been pretty silent lately because RL has been kicking my butt all over the place and TGS stuff takes up what free time is squeezed in between. The only reason that I even manage to post occasionally is that my RL job allows me some time to surf the net -- even editors need a break from reading the material.

I really appreciate what Fire Storm said about TGS. It is a lot of work. I used to come in the CR and look at comments and say, 'Oh, good. They liked that. Hmmm. They didn't like that. I guess we need to remember this and improve on it.' Lately, I've come to dread dropping into the CR. I know that I'm not the editor that Patrick Toman was -- nor do I have the time to do the job that I used to. A lot of fine people have come and gone on the TGS Staff. Those of us who follow often have some mighty big shoes to fill. Sometimes we don't seem to have done what the fans want. Ya know, that's what fanfic is for, folks. If you don't like the way that we're continuing things, then you can write your own fics and point others towards them. That's the function of the fanfic archive, after all. I've got some ideas and half-written fics of my own that I'm going to be going back to work on.

Writers get comments --- good and bad. They help us look to where we can improve our craft. Constructive criticism is very useful, but we do appreciate some kudos every now and then as well. Writing comes easier to some of us than to others. I know that I have to practically pound my head against the wall to come up with plotlines while my husband, Okami, has an entire universe -- history, culture, etc. -- pouring out of his head at all hours. In fact, that is one of the main reasons that I am stepping back from TGS a bit -- in addition to working on my own fics, he has asked me to be his co-writer for his universe.

In view of all that has gone on. I think that a few folks could do with reading this week's episode. There's a comment in there about closure that seems to me to be particularly relevant.

Well, I'm done rambling and I, for one, feel a bit better.

Someone asked a while back, "Who is your favorite character to write about?" Well, my favorite of the canon characters is Brooklyn. His wisecracking humor, combined with his growing wisdom and maturity have always been a good combination to play with. Sata is my favorite of the TGS characters. I've always liked oriental characters. There is a particular challenge in portraying cultural mindset differences. I also have loved the contrast between Brooklyn and Sata's characters. It has made for some wonderful byplay.

I'll also ask others now, "Who is your favorite villain, TGS or canon character?" My personal favorite is Isfet. She is a wonderfully twisted, mysterious character. She is such an outcast that it must have affected her in many ways. She's been alive at least as long as Demona. I've got plans for her to appear in some of my fics eventually.

Well, that's it for now. I'm off to check on my other regular BB -- a cross stitchers' board.

Later, all!

****Kyryn
Kyryn - [kyrynsan@hotmail.com]
Denton, TX
Monday, March 26, 2001 11:07:42 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Reunion 2 is nearly here!! We're now accepting entries in our art and writing contests, plus much, much more! Mark your calendars today -- we've got some great on-line events!

Tuesday, 4/3/01: Pro Chat with Greg Weisman, Thom Adcox, and more!
Wednesday, 4/4/01: Gathering 2001 preview with the LA staff.
Thursday, 4/5/01: "Getting Publishing" -- an online panel discussion with Stephen Sobotka, Jr., Christine Morgan, and Meredith Patterson.
Saturday, 4/7/01: Gathering 2002 chat with members of the Virgina Beach staff.

A full Reunion 2 schedule to be posted soon! We're also going to have RPGs hosted by Wraith and Abram Wintersmith, roundrobin writing sessions, and other fun events.

See you there!!
Reunion2
Monday, March 26, 2001 10:52:33 AM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-56.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Coyote, LC aka Ravyn, and any one else : >> My 'ellislis' account appears inaccessible *again* (third time in 2 months). I'm betting I won't be able to access it more likely later tonight or well into tomorrow morning. So if you guys had sent me any emails to that account, I won't be able to get back to you until then. At this rate, I might be going to another email account, if and when I do, I'll let you guys know. For now, my 'xenatrek' account is accessible.

March Madness Continues! >> According to my friend's parents, they did show the MSU game yesterday down here on CBS, and rather than catching it, I was too busy kicking my friend's and his brother's butt in "Perfect Dark" for N64. Grrr. I am betting that they will show the next game against Arizona next weekend. What day and time is the game anyway?

LC aka Ravyn > Re: Arizona Wildcats >> I rooted for your guys right down to the last seconds. Those guys are *good*. I accidently went overboard in my rooting that I startle my friend's parents when I 'jumped up and down' on the couch. Great way to show a good impression isn't it? They had a great sense of humor, they're more into racing. Oh... I was telling Coyote last night, that the Woods guy was scary... he's 7 ft 2? Wow... I missed the commentary guys, but I think they were saying he's the tallest in college history or something like that.

PAWS Fund >> Not much movement since a couple of weeks ago, except for small donation from one of my friends from MSU it didn't cause the meter on the scale go very far. I'm still around the 20% mark... maybe closing in on 21%. Hopefully I can find the other 80% or less before the end of the year. I'm not much of a fan of this waiting game. I'm really glad this is a one time only fund raising/donating event.

Re: Oscar >> I watched it, tho don't recall most of it. I did get a kick out of Julia Roberts threat against the 'clock man'. In a way she's right, this might be her last time she'll get to do an acceptance speech. I'm still templating about seeing "Gladiator". Not sure if I still will or not, for it reminds me too much like "Ben Hur".

Gotta run. Catch you all later.
XenaTrek - [xenatrek@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Monday, March 26, 2001 10:04:16 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

Hey Guys :)

So, our nahiborhood friendly burglers struck my house again. This time they took our TV and VCR ( I missed my saturday morning toons, so dont mess with me ;P). The idiots also took our satelite box (thats right, just the box, not the satelite) and, of all things, my little love birds! They took my little tweedles, my Titania and Oberon!!!...the sick bastard....now I miss theire incesent chirping in the morning! *pouts* Oh well, The already have some suspects, so thats good...I wonder how much time burglers do in jail? I imagen not enough... So now we're doing a lot of sleeping in my family, outta bordome, ("quality time" my brother calls in *shakes her head and grinz* gotta love him...) and might I say, sleeping just doesnt agree with me, gimmie insomnia any day... It just makes me tired and lazy this sleeping thing...

*drags herself off to finish her post*

Josh> <<Do you have to be able to spell "japanEse"? >> lol I noticed that after I posted but figured, your a smart bunch here, you'll figure out what I ment :P Besides, I guess you dont know yet but, I'm the Typo Queen!!!! :P And you wont be the only single in here, theres me too. Lets start a buisness, you be the gigalo, and I'll be your pimp, kay? :P

Beth> *shakes Beth about a bit* I NEED TO GET INU-YASHA ANIME!!!!! Where does your friend down load it??? Do you have means of recording it yourself, be it of CD or video tape, I dont care. I'll give you money!!!!!!! :P ...oh, and Oni's are DEFINITLY scarier then kitsunes, Shipo aside :P Have you read the Serra-eted edge serries? :P Kitsunes and Elves and Race Car drivers *drools* Dang I want me an Elf...or a mage....or just Tanim :P

Gside> <<What's New. There's also DnUs 9-12.>> So, do they even have them up at their old pag? cuz it says its a new page under construction and all...

Winterwolf> <<Jap classes>> lol Konnichiwa! Ogenki desuka?! :P I had to cancel my class to rescue my grandma from some kiddie truble, so I'm starting this friday now. And oh if it were THAT easy to get money, I'd be there already, or at least on my way to the airport in my new car, no? ;P And I missed your B-Day?!!?!? I Miss ALL the good things!!!! *many B-Day HUGZ* So that makes you how old, 12? 24? 37? :P

Sarge> <<... mana la muncha ? Something like that....>> Was that Man of La Mancha? Too bad you missed it, I haven seen it, but I had read Don Quijote, and its acualy quite entertaining :)

*Skimms over all the fighting and flame wars and all that other crap* ...man...I realy dont need this now...and WHAT is the sence in all this "leaving" buisnes?! Everyone sit your @$$es down and stop it, its rediculous!...sheesh...

...now I'M leaving!!!...But I'll be back tomorrow, or the day after :P hehe you know me :P Bye!!! *HUGZ all and drags herself out of the room*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 26, 2001 09:42:07 AM
IP: 136.145.83.179

TGS now presents...

History's Forgotten

Written by Todd Jensen

Outline Idea by Jonathan "Entity" Cotleur, Rahsaan Footman, and Tony Teakles.
Kyryn - [<<--clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Monday, March 26, 2001 08:53:55 AM
IP: denm3-36.iglobal.net

::LOL @ Conspiracy's post:: Thanks... I've got to do a 12-16 min spech on how to build a web page, that adds LOTS of confidence...

I'll post later when i get time.. just wanted to thank CT for that laugh.
Aingeal
Hades
Monday, March 26, 2001 07:50:37 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Just dropping by, I'll do a full post later.

~How To Build A Web Page~

* Download a piece of Web authoring software: 20 minutes.

* Think about what you want to write on your Web page: 6 weeks.

* Download the same piece of Web authoring software, because they have released 3 new versions since the first time you downloaded it: 20 minutes.

* Decide to just steal some images and awards to put on your site: 1 minute.

* Visit sites to find images and awards, find 5 of them that you like: 4 days.

* Run setup of your Web authoring software. After it fails, download it again: 25 minutes.

* Run setup again, boot the software, click all toolbar buttons to see what they do: 15 minutes.

* View the source of others' pages, steal some, change a few words here and there: 4 hours.

* Preview your Web page using the Web Authoring software: 1 minute.

* Try to horizontally line up two related images: 6 hours.

* Remove one of the images: 10 seconds.

* Set the text's font color to the same color as your background, wonder why all your text is gone: 4 hours.

* Download a counter from your ISP: 4 minutes.

* Try to figure out why your counter reads "You are visitor number 16.3 E10": 3 hours.

* Put 4 blank lines between two lines of text: 8 hours.

* Fine-tune the text, then prepare to load your Web page on your ISP: 40 minutes.

* Accidentally delete your complete web page: 1 second.

* Recreate your web page: 2 days.

* Try to figure out how to load your Web page onto your ISP's server: 3 weeks.

* Call a patient friend to find out about FTP: 30 minutes.

* Download FTP software: 10 minutes.

* Call your friend again: 15 minutes.

* Upload your web page to your ISP's server: 10 minutes.

* Connect to your site on the web: 1 minute.

* Repeat any and all of the previous steps: eternity.

Later!
Conspiracy Theorist - [conspiracy3000@yahoo.com]
Monday, March 26, 2001 07:31:28 AM
IP: ac8b2053.ipt.aol.com

I finally found out the name to the song from Zulu: Men of Harlech.

Imzadi> <<depending on how much I bitch about my car not being able to handle bass>>: If it doesn't vibrate when you play Canon, you don't have enough. That, and 1812 should blow off your bumpers.
<<Who wanta some wang?>>: That's all right, I have more than enough.
<<Shall we bet the usual amount?>>: One dollar?
<>: If you've read all the back TGS episodes, you have been exposed to enough to make you spoiled.

Fire Storm> <<Best with chicken and peppers>>: Chicken goes surprisingly well with alfredo sauce.
<<Momma's got a squezee box she wears on her cheast>>: And wehn Daddy gets home, he never gets no rest.
<<Will there be sandwiches?>>: And what is the percentage of meat in the supposed sandwiches? And will they be of the northern boutny type. Appropriate for stuffing in pants and inventing hippos.
<<Usually I just put on 700mb and it works>>: You mean just tell it to write more than it thinks it can?
<<Not sparks, the actual melting plastic>>: My bad. The plastic smell does tend to linger.
<<Must... resist... fanfic>>: But he psychologically tortures Nabiki: "You can have that one, but you have to *earn* this one." And on another note, Nabiki should never marry Ryoga. It opens up too many punish rhymes.

Lady Mystic> <<What qualifications should administrators or co-administrators possess?>>: I'd say near daily checking of the room, and the ability to step back for a second (to ensure a fair view (not to say that the current ones do not have this skill)).

Fire Storm> <<Monitors can hold a charge for the better part of a decade>>: Gotta love those big honking capacitors. I believe if you know what to look for, you can bridge he capacitor to discharge it.

Spacebabie> <<we can go on about how the Pillar is really a slut>>: All I was doing was pointing out an amusing typo. Rather like Warpmind's big groin.
<<An Endless Waltz>>: Down, out, up, down, out, up, down,
out, up, down, out, up...

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, March 26, 2001 01:45:13 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

*****Oscar rant*****
Sevarius Jr.> My fiancee agrees that Crounching Tiger should have won. I'm in agreement. You know it's a good movie when you have to watch it twice just to get it all in. CTHD was seemless unlike Gladiator which had so many plot holes you could march a phalanx of soliders through them.

The really sad thing is that the Oscar's didn't disappoint. We knew that CTHD wouldn't win because of bias against foreign films. It's ultimately lowers my opinon of the Oscars because the best film doesn't win, the one with the best marketing does. I could understand if both were high caliber films and one edged out the other, but when it's so obviously uneven? I didn't stay to watch the ceremony. How about the rest of you?
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:59:46 PM
IP: cbl064.pool008.ch001-west-covina.dhcp.hs.earthlink.net

New Buffy/Angel on April 17 actually. AngelicSlayer.com says so.
The Lurkers Above
Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:56:02 PM
IP: pool-63.52.170.138.dlls.grid.net

Now, on the lighter side of things:

***OSCAR RECAP***
I'll spare you all the details about the technical awards, because they bore me too.

Marcia Gay Harden won for Best Supporting Actress. This is the only real upset, I think. I would have thought that Kate Hudson was a lock, or at least Judi Dench, but I guess they figured that Kate was young enough to be nominated again, and Judi has already won before.

Benicio Del Toro won for Best Supporting Actor. No real surprise. He's come a long way from the Usual Suspects.

Russell Crowe won Best Actor. This is really the only award that I was really happy with. They had thought that Hanks would get it (which enraged me, because I'm utterly tired of him. Can't we find new actors to give awards too? Oh wait, apparently we did!), but Russell goes away with the award. I love the guy. Hell, even I'd be tempted to kidnap him.
BTW, did anyone else notice how much of a babe Hilary Swank is when they actually dress her up like a girl?

Julia Roberts won Best Actress. Gee, I'm just totally shocked. Did ANYONE not see this one coming? I don't think she deserved it. But oh well, she's well liked, and when it comes to these awards, you can't always bank on getting the little golden phallic sympbol just because you gave the best performance of the year.

Steven Sodenbergh won Best Director. This disgusts me beyond words. The man is treated like a GOD in Hollywood. Why? Traffic sucked (you know the movie is going to be bad when everyone talks about what an "important" movie it is. I've yet to see an "important" movie that was any good). Erin Brockovich REALLY sucked. That was 2 hours of pure hell for me. The only Sodenbergh movie that was any good, IMO, was "Out of Sight", and I only liked that film because I'm a Clooney mark (and who isn't? He's just so dreamy!).
Ang Lee should have won. He truly deserved. Or Ridley Scott. ANYONE but Sodenbergh.

And Gladiator won for Best Picture. Let me shout from the mountain tops that CROUCHING TIGER SHOULD HAVE WON!!!! Best film of the year. I'm tempted to say best film of THIS year too, since it's still in theatres. But it won best foreign film, which probably eliminated it from consideration. And besides, it's a Taiwanese film. You think the Academy voters are going to give the statue to a film about kung fu fighting Chinese?
While I am upset that CTHD did not win, I am happy that Gladiator won. It was a good film--not a *great* film, not a classic, not Spartacus, to which it is often compared, but a good film. Better than Erin Brokovich. Better than Chocolat (and how did that get nominated, and a film like "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" get left out? Harvey Weinstein, you must have the best coke in all of Cali.) And at least that "important" movie, Traffic, did not win.

So, an ambivalent reaction to the Oscars on my part. Not a strong year, IMO.

Overall, though, I did think the actual show was pretty decent. Call me crazy, but I kind of dug Steve Martin. He's more amusing than Crystal, I think.
***END OSCAR WRAPUP***

Buffy Fans: You love Buffy, like I do? You like Buffy on the WB? I'm terribly sorry.
It's looking more and more like Buffy will NOT return to the WB. Joss Whedon is very upset right now with the WB's attitude on the show. Regardless of the fact that the show is critically acclaimed (and come on, for a genre show, that's almost unheard of), and that it does pull consistent ratings, the WB has taken a very disrespectful opinion of the show. Evidently, management in the network doesn't feel like the show is all that special, which has led Joss to seriously consider offers from Fox TV and UPN (which might be the front runner at this point). So, Buffy may very well leave the WB, and if it does, my ass goes with it. I'll still watch Angel, of course, but what, you expect me to stick around and watch Dawson's Creek as well? (Can I vote Dawson's Creek as the worst show EVER? Dawson loves Joey. Joey loves Pacey. Pacey loves Dawson. Whatever. I only WISH I had that much angst in high school.)
New episodes of Buffy/Angel aren't expected until at least April 10, or possibly as late as the 24. And enjoy them when they start, they could be the last ones you see on the WB.

Wrasslin fans: I know that a few of you in here like wrasslin as much as I do. In case you haven't heard, the most important news story EVER in wrestling occurred over the weekend. For years, it was WWF vs. arch rival, the Turner-network owned and operated WCW (World Championshp Wrestling). Well, WCW has been in dire straits as of late, and was sold.....to Vince McMahon. Yep, Vinnie Mac now owns ALL wrestling in North America. That's not necessarily a good thing.
Vince's current plans are to keep WCW and run it as a separate promotion. But the competition and the war is over. Vince runs the whole freakin' show, and as a wrasslin fan, I don't know if that's all that good.
But if YOU like wrestling, you should tune in to the last WCW Nitro ever, as not only will there be some surprises in store, but several WWF stars will be on hand. I've heard that Edge and Christian (2 of my faves) will appear...and ladies....one rumor I've heard is that Shawn Michaels himself may make an appearance! ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:46:32 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

*lain enters, looking tired..*

just spent *2* hours making a CD with my friend "mr. dude" eeeeeigh... who is the only guy i know who has a CD burner and also the creepiest get-your-hands-off-me kinda guy you have EVER seen...

Lynati>> no

Imzy>> awwww.. but this means you dont get to sleep on top of me in my cardboard box when you come visit.. darn.. ;)
O JOSH YE ARE MY GOD!!! GOD OF ALL THAT IS SUAVE AND COOL AND HAS TO DO WITH MAC COMPUTERS AND CHOCOLATE SAUCE.. ;)

sorow>> hey i know youre angry with pistoff but please... swearing isnt going to help anything and it, just as much as a number of the past comments in here, is only going to make things worse for everyone.. : (
we appreciate your emotion but we are currently trying to move beyond this issue, not bring it up and rub it around some more..
heck.. we dont want this thing to start up ALL OVER AGAIN do we???
that would be... baaaaaaaad.. and painful....
badness for all...
ik..

thanks..
okay.. thats it.. me need sleep..
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:36:36 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Today is a day to run some errands for the parental units, as they are the ones paying my bills. Sooo, I went to Fart and Smile (er, Smart & Final) and picked up about a million flats of soda and bottled water and other crap for them...its as if they wait till I'm home to go grocery shopping just so I can help out (wait a minute...that IS what they do!). A few other minor shelps and stuff and I'm done for the day, waiting to have my craving for a particular chinese restaurant filled around dinnertime.

I've been driving around with my new CD player that my dad bought me, and it freakin rocks. My music sounds so much better, though I'm not sure how much of that is because of the CD player. Maybe I just think it sounds better because its new. Whatever. Anyway, I've been driving with my windows down, my tunes cranked, and the wind blowing through my hair ::starts whistling "I love LA"::

In other news: My icon project! For those of you who've been keeping track, my icon collection has steadily grown but I've been able to keep it all on one screen so far. Well, my friends, that is no longer possible. Displaying 30 128x128 icons is too big for my pathetic 1024x768 laptop monitor to handle in one screen, so I've split up my icon project into four folders: canon, TGS, fanfic, and other. I'm sure all of you with 5 brain cells or more will be able to figure out what's in each category. So the link on my name will take you to the directory folder, where not one but FOUR pictures will show my progress. So check it out! Then come back in here and tell me how cool I am (not that I need you to tell me, cuz I already know how cool I am), and then tell Crzy and Dreamie that they are goddesses for providing most of the beautiful art for this project! Thanks I love you guys!

Last night something very interesting happened to me. I was telling a friend about an ex that I ditched in a really harsh manner, and someone overheard. The eavesdropper proceeded to tell me that eventually, some girl would really screw me over and I would somehow regret all the nasty stuff I've done (some sort of "reap what you sow" philosophy). My friends, naturally, jumped to my defense with "you don't understand, he has a heart of stone" (which I suppose is true to some degree, but didn't really defend me at all). This outsider was certain that someday I would fall head-over-heels for a girl and then she would rip my heart out of my chest and feed it to me (via one orifice or another). It got me thinking...what if that's true? Then I realized, "to hell with that!" The fact is that if that horrible thing happens to me at some future date, it would never make me regret anything I'd done in the past. Because without those past events, I never would have had the balls to talk to this girl who stole my heart in the first place. And despite the pain that some events have caused me, I have no regrets because I'm happy with who I am now, and all the things of seen and done have contributed to that person. Now, if in the future I am no longer happy with who I am, I could see possibly having regrets. This had no point other than to just talk about it, I don't really expect anyone to have opinions on it.

Daniel: That's funny that you had the same problem. Awesome about OS X. I wish it would work with my waveLAN card, my external USB HD, my burner, and a host of other stuff...I'll just have to wait till I buy a TiBook, I guess. Interesting about games in classic. Quite frankly, I was expecting classic to give macs and even WORSE rep for games.

FS: <<BUT IT HAS NO FAN!>>: Because it doesn't need one, rocket scientist. It uses convection and gravity to cool the machine, another excellent engineering feature. Why is a fan so important to you? <<Not if they hooked it to a LCD screen!>>: No. 17" screens, even LCD's, are LARGE. <<weighing all of our options>>: What were the other options? <<How old was the daughter>>: 14 or so? I think. <<19" monitor is too big>>: No monitor is too big, as any mac user with a cinema display will tell you. And don't worry, there's no way in HELL I'm opening up a monitor. I'm smart enough to know when I don't have enough knowledge on a subject. Opening up a computer, no problem, done it a million times.

Spacebabie: <<the Pillar is really a slut>>: WTF are you talking about? I never said anything about a pillar.

Jannie: <<power washer>>: LOL. Next time try something softer, like a sand blaster. 8-)

Coyote: <<how did I manage to screw up my own gender?>>: Is this what people mean when they talk about "the bitch in the relationship"? 8-)

Lain: Don't even talk about apartment "deals". UC Berkeley charges about $750 US a month for doubles, which is two beds in a 4.5 meter square (told ya I knew metrics). And that's PER student, so its really 1500 a month. They throw in utilities, basic cable, and internet connection. Our current apt is $1600 a month with utilities, and we pay for phone, dsl, and satellite TV. Its a bitch. For 375 CD, I'd move into a little room with a kitchenette. But that deal you found sounds pretty sweet. Find out what's wrong with it. (I am ever the pessimist). <<perhaps there IS a GOD after all>>: And Josh be thy name. Sorry, I couldn't resist the chance to stroke my ego. I love doing that.

Sorow: <<won't be forgotten.>>: forget about it. Okay, all joking aside. It was something that should have been done. Part of being in this CR is being there for everyone else in (except if you piss people off). I expect you to do the same for me. Though quite honestly, I didn't think that stuff would make you feel better, but I'm sure as hell glad it did. But don't tell Fred to fuck off. That will only create more of this kind of behavior.

Rayvn: <<And of course, we're out to win>>: Is that a feature unique to your team? Aren't most teams out to win?

Friends don't let friends use Windows.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Los Angeles BABY!!! SUCK IT!, CA , US of A
Sunday, March 25, 2001 08:43:47 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-189.nhwd02.pacbell.net

*Lynati races through on her way to a shower*

Winterwolf: Thanks!! Your wishes carried through. :)

Warps: waaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!! I miss you...:| get in touch soon, okay?

V: heh heh. Thankles. ooh, and I left you some stuff in lain's care. Hope you enjoy.

lain: thanks again for the chocolate muffin!
...but...are you *sure* that there weren't any glazed donuts? O.o

*sets down a set of wonderfully intact ceramic candlesticks and bolts for the hot water.*
Lynati
Sunday, March 25, 2001 08:06:46 PM
IP: 207.94.232.147

**Ravyn runs through the CR, screaming about her team being #1 and going to the Final Four.** YEAH!!!!!!

I am SOOOOOO psyched. :)

Coyote> Uh-oh, I've got ya screwin' up yer own gender....sorry 'bout that. ;) Next time I'll cling less tightly....or maybe not. ;) But now comes the fun part, love...my team is currently setting our sights on yours. And of course, we're out to win. The next week should be fun between us. ;) **raises an eyebrow** And just *who's* dirty, even for the Big 10? Oh, I'll show ya dirty even for the Big 10...

**winks, dragging Coyote out of the CR, muttering, "Dang, I probably can't say that in the CR, can I?"** ;)
Ravyn
Sunday, March 25, 2001 07:42:52 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

To Doug/Kit,Josh,Daniel,Gside,Winterwolf,& others> Thank you all for making me feel better. It was greatly appreciated and won't be forgotten.

To Fred> I beg your pardon, but fuck you. Look what you've done to this family we've had for so long, and you just had to go and ruin it didn't you. You know I used to like you a long way back when all of us were friends and we could talk about anything and the entire world revolved around gargoyles. I hope you're fucking proud of your damn self and it's a shame I've had to come out of my shell and tell you off. But I'm not as nice as I used to be, I've had to deal with insignificant punks like you. So leave everyone along and GO SCREW YOURSELF INSTEAD! No one treats my friends like this. NO ONE!
SOROW
Sunday, March 25, 2001 07:28:25 PM
IP: a020-0587.dll2.splitrock.net

*returns to the CR clutching a piece of paper in her sweaty hands that says: 350$/month utilities incl, fully furnished, next to masonville mall, 5 minute bus ride, 20 minute walk to campus, piano..*
*drooooooools..*

okay.. something is up.. this place is supposed to have rent of 600$ and UP!!! (heh.. but if i get in there.. the roommie i will have.. her father OWNS the place.. so she gets a STINKIN GOOD DEAL on rent...) heh.. woah..
im sorry but when campus housing rips you off and tries to convince you that 375$ PLUS utilities is a good deal.. and you get a shoebox room and a sorry lookin kitchen unit and... heh.. and then THIS shows up.. methinks i be takin THIS..
wish me luck that she doesnt find a roommie before 9am tomorrow morning....
*exits still tightly clutching the paper with a look of disbelief upon her face...*
perhaps there IS a GOD after all.........
lain
the Great White North
Sunday, March 25, 2001 06:54:28 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Coyote, are you talking about thespark.com's gender test?

If so, it got me wrong, too. Using just pure statistics on answers t unrelated, I still do not think anybody can get it right for gender indentification over 90%.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Sunday, March 25, 2001 06:42:44 PM
IP: max1-53.cwy.cei.net

Now how did I manage to screw up my own gender?! ACK!
Coyote again
Sunday, March 25, 2001 06:26:13 PM
IP: 216.28.101.118

**enters with Ravyn nearly glued to her, carrying a portable TV set, getting funny looks**

What? **looks at his predicament** Oh. Close 'Zona game today. Just making a couple comments here ...

Recent unpleasantness: Please do not let some people's attitudes drive you away.

Gside: You win the contest. Mei Hsing is from 3X3 Eyes, but in the anime's credits the spell her name "Meishin." Either way, when her character was described in breakdowns she was the first thing I thought of, hence the name. :)

'Sall for me ...

**walks out, muttering with the still-clinging Ravyn something about "they're even dirty for the Big Ten ..."**
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, March 25, 2001 06:24:22 PM
IP: 216.28.101.118

*walks in limping slightly more than usual*

Rule #1 when power washing: do not attempt to wash your bare foot off with the power washer.
I _used_ to have polish on my toenails... O.o
You know, if I could stand the pain, I could run the washer up my leg and I would never have to shave them again!! *grins* Then again, I'm not sure hair would grow back on skin grafts or not... hmmmm...

*limps back out*
Jannie
Sunday, March 25, 2001 05:55:39 PM
IP: 233.houston-31rh16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Hmm. Let us think things completely through before communicating. Poorly chosen words and poorly chosen methods of communication are to blame, at best, for the current situation.

We really NEED a CR wipe desparately. Unfortunately, this event will not occur soon enough.

Until the room is wiped and/or comments about the current situation in the CR disappear I will refrain from discussing my personal life.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, March 25, 2001 03:01:19 PM
IP: max1-57.cwy.cei.net

I just want to check up on something. Is Robby's e-mail address still MrNoying@aol.com? Thanks in advance,

---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hotmail.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Sunday, March 25, 2001 02:21:58 PM
IP: dhcp81-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

Some one sent me this today

Three guys die and go to heaven. St peter told them not to step on any ducks because they are God's favorite creatures.
When they entered there were ducks everywhere and pretty hard not to step on anyone. One guy steps on a duck. St peter appears with a big ugly woman and chains the guy to the woman. weeks went buy and another guys steps on a duck. He is chained to an even uglier woman. months go by and the thrid guy is really careful, never steps on a duck. St Peter appears with the most beautiful woman and chaines her to the guy.
The third guy says"I wonder what I've done to deserve this good fortune."
The woman answeres"I don't know about you but I stepped on a duck."

Gside and Josh>>>we can go on about how the Pillar is really a slut but somone would fight you to defend her honor.
SJ>>>Bravo
I hate to compare the cR to the cycles of history, War,Peace revoultion but in a way it is...as Mariemai Kushrenada says "An Endless Waltz"

Speaking of GW is it me or are a lot of them doing voice work for Xmen Evolution. I swear Lady Une and Mystique are the same.

Well I'mgoingto register for the summer and fall tommorow, I looked at the class listings and its pretty sas. Sad for us CW majors.
I've been drinking a lot of milk took, flavored milk and I can't find any banna milk. never heard of bannana flaovred milk till Bubbles fought Mojo Jojo for it.

Lain>>>love the cookies :)

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, March 25, 2001 01:23:51 PM
IP: user-37kap2j.dialup.mindspring.com

Imzadi: SAFTEY WARNING!
If you have never opened a monitor before, now is NOT the time to start! Monitors can hold a charge for the better part of a decade! If you touch the wrong wire, you can end up flat on your ass on the other side of the room.

I learned the easy way. I was taught how to work with monitors. So was my dad, but that didn't stop him from getting an rather painful 30KV.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, March 25, 2001 12:26:45 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Wow, this is the first time in a long time where I actually read all the posts. (Well, starting at my last one on up.) :)

Gunjack: <<GET AWAY FROM ME, YOU DAMN DIRTY APES!!!! AAAAAAGHH!!!>>
*L*

Imzadi: <<Is it just me or did posting increase 10-fold when we were told there wouldn't be a wipe this week?>>
Yeah, I noticed that too.

Todd: <>
I agree. :(

GXB: <<unless major changes are made and this place>>
Sorry if you already said this... What changes do you suggest?
<<But this place ceased being the TGS Comment Room long ago, and turned into the "Gargoyles: Off-Topic" Comment Room.>>
I agree. While I am sad to have seen it change from a TGS discussion board to a general/off-topic discussion board, I'm, for the most part, all right with the diversity in topics. But, I'm still unhappy to have witnessed the evolution.

Ravyn: Thanks for your input concerning my question. :)
<<I'm so sorry I left.>>
I'm sorry you left too. I missed you. But there's no need to apologize for being gone. Your absence didn't cause or help create the degeneration of the room. This room is a community and everyone is at fault. *HUGS* Besides, I remember a few posters making use of your Tea Table of Peace during your absence. :)
RE: <<Greg, Kaioto, Doug, Kit, anyone else fed up with this place...>>
Couldn't have said it better myself. :)
And thanks for your appreciation of the staff's hard work.

Winterwolf: I like your "General Thoughts." People should apply those ideas to all aspects of life. :)

DPH: <>
Good idea. But it depends on what Robby has to say about that. Let's hope he shows up soon. It's too hard on one individual to admin this place. It appears that it was somewhat difficult on two as well. Three sounds like a good compromise. Let's hope it works, that is if we can find willing volunteers with the correct qualifications.

Anyone: What qualifications should administrators or co-administrators possess? If there is more than one admin, either all admins can posses the same powers or each admin could have different powers based on his strengths, abilities and personality. Either way, all should possibly or probably consult with the other administrators on a regular basis and keep each other informed as to their feelings and reasoning on each situation. It's a lot, but it guards against rash decisions and reduces dictatorships from developing and makes it more possible for each admin to be aware of all CR events.

And for the record, I thought Robby and Kaioto were doing a good job administrating the room. They may possess flaws, but so does everyone else. They did the best they could and put much time and effort into what they did. I respect and appreciate both of them for that.

Patrich: <<There's a difference between moving ON and moving OUT.>>
I agree, much to FS's distaste to me refraining from moving out of my family's house. Although he does understand my reasoning for doing so. We hope one day our hard work will improve things between my family members to allow no harm to come from my absence.
But to me, moving on without working on the problem(s) is a problem in itself. I'd rather work at a problem while selectively leaving certain things to mend on their own.

Princess Emeraude: A very touching tale. :)

lain: I hope we all remember and maintain our responsibilities as members of this community. Good comments on the topic, BTW.

Aingeal: <<if you sever ties, it can take a long time to rebuild them>>
I'm all too familiar with that concerning my old high school friends. :(

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.: <<life's just too short for that sort of waste.>>
One reason I don't post here too often.

Gside: <<if I notice something that nags at me, it appears to be more important that it really is>>
Sounds like me concerning just about anything I do. :\

Fire Storm & soldering irons: I've seen him work with them MANY times (and not just on computer and business machines). He's really good, knows what he's doing and improves in skill all the time. :)

<<And knowing what you know of me, why weren't you before ~ Gside to FS>>
Just so ya know: I never was (and probably never will be). I don't scare easily. I may worry, or be uneasy/concerned about things but I don't scare easily. Or get grossed out for that matter. Just ask FS. ;) But that doesn't mean I won't get scared upon seeing those I love in danger. :(

FS: <<But I don't think that will work any more.>>
I agree. :(

While I've seen this many times in RL, it always amazes me that something catastrophic has to happen to get people motivated to work at changing a bad situation in the hopes that something good will be attained in the long run. I'm sadden that it turned out to be the flame war and Doug & Kit's leaving the CR. :( Let's hope all things can be mended on some level.
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Click name for GMC 2004 bid.
Sunday, March 25, 2001 12:16:50 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

One more thing, response to something posted while I was soul-searching --

Fire Storm > they moved that monolith around so many times I'm not sure where it wound up. I personally haven't seen it. I _think_ it's still in one of the parks. Maybe Dreamie knows? Dreamie?

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:39:24 AM
IP: 04-168.075.popsite.net

Biases > The best answer I can think of for why there are biases is probably going to be that it's just human nature. We all have, among our friends and family and work and society in general, some people we like more than others. Some people who are, for whatever reason, more popular, while others aren't so much. There are a variety of factors that go into that, and while it is unfair, and it is unequal, it just _is_ ... I doubt that's the sort of thing that can be changed. I know that in my various social groups, there are those I prefer to be around and those I don't much care for, even (or especially) within my own blood kin. Wanting there to be no bias is a nice wish, but most likely impossible given human nature. Some things are ingrained from birth -- preferring and responding to the company of physically attractive people, for instance; babies look longer and smile more at photos of 'attractive' people. So I don't think there can't be biases. We all have them. Our founding fathers may have declared us all to be created equal (which isn't true anyway; every single one of us is born with factors beyond our control that are going to affect that 'equality' in relation to everyone else), and we may strive to treat each other that way in law, but it doesn't happen in social situations.

As for why, in this case and this room/fandom, there's a bias toward me, I don't know what I can say to that. There is, sure there is, I've been aware of that from the first time I got the "THE" Christine Morgan treatment or the first letter of the "I almost didn't even dare write to such an exalted personage" stripe. I like it, I won't lie to you about that, sure I do! But does it also make me uncomfortable? Hell yes!

All I've ever wanted to do has been to write stories that I like to write, and have them also be stories that people like to read. Quite a few people do. Not all. But far more than I ever expected when I began doing this. I also like people and attention and communicating with them. In my offline life, I don't get the chance to converse much with sane adults ... so I consider my online circle of friends to be the center of my social world. So, I reply to those letters, and it often astounds me to hear again from those people and have them be surprised that I'd bother to write back.

I certainly never set out to be a 'celebrity.' What makes me one? I guess it's for a couple of reasons.

For one -- the stories. I've written a lot, I've written them fast, and I'm good. There are those who are better, plenty of them, those with more skill and more spark ... but many of them have moved on, or concentrate on other things, and aren't as prolific. There are folks, myself among them, who would drop anything and RUN to read a new one from Ryan "Proteus" Stout ... but in the meantime, I've done over 70 stories in 5 years ... that's an average of 14 stories a year, or more than 1 a month. And most of them aren't too shabby. I've proven that I can be relied upon to consistently, and frequently, produce a read that many people find entertaining. I'm well aware of and thankful for the fact that I have been gifted with the ability to keep having ideas, and to be able to create interesting characters to make those ideas work.

For two -- getting along with people. Most of the time, I like to think I'm pretty good at that. At responding to mails, at encouraging other writers (even if I'm a scrooge about sharing my universe <g>), at treating people well and striving for diplomacy. I'm not always successful at that last bit, when I feel I've been injured or provoked, but that's because I'm a person like anyone else. I like to think I have a sense of humor, and while I am arrogant and bitchy, I'm arrogant and bitchy in a kind of cheery and irreverent and amiable way.

For three -- participation and visibility. I have my fingers into a lot of fandom pies, so I get known for being involved in a lot. I've been to every Gathering, I've been doing Avalon Mists for three years, I've participated in contests and chats and reunions, I hang around the comment rooms; I make myself available to this fandom and to its people in more ways than one. So people get to know me, and know that they can rely on me to do my best to support this fandom.

Because I love it, I truly do. Believe me, had I not spend these past five years doing all of this, I could have written another few books! Of course, I'm more than happy to trade off, not just personally but professionally, because it's through this fandom I've been able to reach out and prove myself to readers, who thereby trust me to tell a good tale and shell out their hard-earned cash to buy the occasional book.

When all of this flared up recently, I wondered if perhaps the problem might be solved if _I_ left. But I grudgingly came to the realization that it wouldn't ... the mark I've made, the impact I've had, even if I never intended to do so, would still have a lasting effect. And my leaving might also, I forced myself to admit, hurt the fandom. That's a responsibility I never wanted ... I don't like the idea, however valid it is or not, that this fandom would collapse without me (which it wouldn't!). Anyway, I'm just not cut out to play the martyr, and I'm certainly too selfish to cut myself off from people I hold dear, even if it might be for their own good in the long run.

Many times, sure, I wonder if I've overstayed my usefulness. I'm one of the last holdovers from the 'old days,' one of the last of what were then called the First Ladies of Fanfic. Batya, Merlin Missy, Tara, Constance, Leva ... some of them are still around occasionally (and I hope to see them at the Reunion later this month!) but for the most part, they have generally moved on to other things. Christi is still here, we two old-timers (we two hapless and unsuspecting Wendys in Neverland is the way it sometimes feels, but I mean that in the best and most loving way). But she doesn't have the time for it that once she did, even less than I do. Patrick and Kathy, once the editorial unyeilding backbone that supported TGS in the old days and were instrumental in making it happen, have likewise found other projects taking up much of their time, and are now the organizational background making the Gathering happen and keeping the rest of us wayward ducks in a row most of the time.

The torchm, therefore, has largely been passed to others, other writers and artists, other editors, other talented and thriving members of this fandom. And here I hang on, sometimes feeling very old, sometimes feeling like a grizzled old sabertooth that keeps insisting the climate's _not_ changing, I _haven't_ outlived my usefulness ... while on the other hand I wonder how long it will take until what I provide to this fandom is overshadowed by the harm I cause. Not through what I do ... but simply because of who I am ... and what, through this process that still surprises me and takes me aback, I've become.

SJ > for all of that, for the way people and society are, for this status I've attained, I wish I could say I was sorry. I _am_ sorry that it has given you distress, and I _am_ sorry that these reasons and issues have put us on opposing sides. I've always enjoyed and admired your posts. You have many qualities that I seek most in friends -- you are intelligent, articulate, witty, occasionally caustic, and a self-proclaimed smartass (which, as my momma always says, is much better than being a dumbass, and is something I like and admire in a person). We have a fair amount of similar interests and opinions, and had these other things not come between us, I would like to think we could have gotten along fairly well. So I'm sorry for that too, and wonder if there's anything I can do to change, mend, or bridge this rift.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:35:01 AM
IP: 04-168.075.popsite.net

Gotta go...so, usual goodbye posting.

Jannie:> Thank you for your words. Anyway, as I said to Kit and Doug via email, I was the detonator, and I can't help but feeling guilty. See you next time I'll be home, I hope.

No more time. <waves to everyone> See you again, maybe next time.

<exits>
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Sunday, March 25, 2001 09:49:31 AM
IP: h213-20-200.mi2.albacom.net

Just a quick note: The new episode may not be up until tomorrow. Okami and I are having to help his great-aunt move a bunch of stuff -- emergency move, she had some pipes burst. I'll try to get it up tonight whenever I get back.

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Sunday, March 25, 2001 09:43:37 AM
IP: denm2-7.iglobal.net

Christine: As always, great story!
It's always interesting to see you creat great characters...
...and then kill them off!
(Seriously!)
<But about the rest of it, you gotta stop saying stuff like that; it leaves me torn between "aww,come on, you're making me blush!" and manaiacal gloating over my own power and infamy, mua-ha-ha!>
God, Emperor of Seatle! :)
BTW... I keep forgeting about this...
Is the Monolith still on Kite hill? If so... could you please snap me a few pictures of it?

Imzadi: <its a huge computer packed into an 8" cube! That's so cool, just from a miniaturization standpoint>
Agreed on that point.
BUT IT HAS NO FAN!
Hell, when working, my computer has more fans than I have fans of my stories!
<They'd look a lot cooler with 17" screens (though they'd be HUGE if that happened)>
Not if they hooked it to a LCD screen! Combine your cube and a 17"LCD.
And I have worked on machines like that. The size of a LCD screen and ok
And even THEY have at least one fan!

After carefully reviewing your resume and weighing all of our options...
Uh... no. I don't think so! :)
<You can do WHAT?! That's disgusting and I think you should be banned for it.>
Have you ever HAD pizza with alfredo sauce on it?
DAMN good! (Best with chicken and peppers on it)
<It's IN AND OUT!>
Momma's got a squezee box she wears on her cheast.

I agree that there is a difference. But some topics just automaticailly start flame wars.
<All we can do is ask for stuff, and we know it.>
Agreed. But it seems to me that there is more asking than compliments.
<would that be more fun than Crzy and Mara's make-out party?>
Depends...
Will there be sandwiches?
<It needs a new cable. But you can't just replace the cable, because its soldered (sp?) into the monitor>
You ever work with a soldering iron? It is a REALLY easy repair it if it is the cable.
15 little solder points.
Heck, have you opened that monitor? Most monitors have simple plastic connectors.
Either way, it is probably a repair that you can do. (But if you have never soldered, don't start here)
<where I accidentally hit on a MOM who was there with her daughter>
Don't worry about it. How old was the daughter?

Beth H: <After we watched anime, we went into my room and had sex for 2 1/2 hours>
Hmm... with my better judgement, I have decided not to comment about this!
<David (that's his name) kinda drooled over my computer (he doesn't have DSL or Micron or a Hitachi 19" monitor)>
Yes, that DOES have a certian ammount of droolatude!
(I personally think 19" monitor is too big, but that's just me)

Gside: <Got 3.5c, and both the software and hardware (Ricoh 7080) are allegedly able to handle large CDs>
Usually I just put on 700mb and it works.
I know it works well with 4.03b
<Ozone.>
Not sparks, the actual melting plastic
<Yes, I am in EE, why do you ask?>
It never stops amazing me how often I forget that.

Kiki, a pixie stick, and a sharp shiny object.
No good can come of that.
<And knowing what you know of me, why weren't you before>
Hmm... Well, compared to some of the other people in here...
<Though I must say that Ten Yen Piece piece is a better hentai story.>
Must... resist... fanfic...
<I've apologised for the Lapin thing, haven't I?>
Ah, don't worry about that. Tis but a nit.
<but I've always been terse so if I notice something that nags at me, it appears to be more important that it really is>
Thats pretty much how I feel too. The main reason I haven't said much about the TGS stories is that I am happy with what I read.

Doug/Kit: Woah... I never really thought that would happen!
I hope this place gets better so you can come back.

Lady Mystic: <What do YOU want this room to be and become?>
I want it to be a place where I can come and talk to friends, talk about stories, and not have flame wars here every month or so.
Basicailly, a friendly community agian.

Jannie: <well, to keep this room to strictly topics, no personal stuff, etc... boring!>
Actually, Aimee's CR seems to keep the place interesting, even with strict topics.

Ravyn: <This has gone way too far for way too many silly reasons. I'll admit I stayed out of things because it didn't feel like any o' my business, but when people start gettin' so fed up that they start leaving, well, that's no good>
That's probally the stance of half the people in the CR.
Ignore the flame wars and everything will work itself out.
But I don't think that will work any more.

Patrick: <So you can all expect to continue to see the smiling face of your friendly neighborhood Puck around here for a long time to come>
And more of our favorite Madame too?

Princess Emeraude: *VERY* well said.

Oracle: Well said

SJ: <No, Fred is not the sole reason for all of this.>
I agree. Fred isn't the sole reason. If anything, he is just a catalyst.
Pistoff hasn't posted too much this week. So he didn't keep the flame war going.
*EVERYONE* who contribiuted to it caused the flame war.
There is no reason to point fingers. Everyone is at fault.

Ok... so what do we do to fix this and what can we do to prevent this from happening in the future?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, March 25, 2001 09:42:32 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Now we're starting to talk TO each other instead of shouting AT each other. This is much more productive than yelling or leaving (apologies to Doug and Kit, if they're reading, but running away from a problem never solves anything; I hope they'll realize that).

SJ:
That was one of the most mature and responsible posts I've seen here. Well said. However, I see no reason to bash you, even if you want it. It won't solve anything.
----
Jannie:
Bravo! *I* listen to you. And I think that you're absolutely right.
----
lain:
That fortune cookie thing was just BAAAD! You definitely need more sleep. :)
----
Imzadi:
Ah, the old dead-battery-in-the-6100 trick, huh? I had the exact same problem once. And I ended up buy a new computer too. There was only one think I could say when I found out what the real problem was: D'OH! That 6100 is still chugging away nicely, BTW. Got OS X yesterday. It is SWEET on the PowerBook G4. My AirPort card, Epson 740 printer, Kodak digital camera, and USB floppy drive all worked out-of-the-box. I wasn't expecting the camera to work; that was a pleasant surprise. The Firewire CD-RW drive and UMAX scanner don't work, but that was expected. The CD-RW should work next month and for now I'm leaving both of them connected to my tower, since I'm leaving that with 9.1 for now. Another surprise is that Unreal Tournament is actually playable under Classic. Definitely slower than under 9.1, but playable.

Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, March 25, 2001 09:00:10 AM
IP: adsl-138-89-66-131.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Today was the most wonderful day. First, I dealt with my new computer. My dad's business has an art department that runs (surprise) on macs. Well, one of their macs, a very old 60MHz 6100, "busted" and they told my dad that it had to be replaced with a shiny new g4. So he did. He also gave me the "busted" machine. How was it busted? Well, it wouldn't recognize the keyboard, and changing the keyboard wasn't helping. So they assumed that the motherboard failed. I took it into the mac repair place I go to. The problem? A $13 battery needed to be replaced! I can't believe my dad was so stupid that he bought a $2000 machine when a $13 battery would have fixed the problem. Oh well, now I have a computer. You may ask, what good is a 60MHz mac? Well, it has 74 MB RAM and built-in SCSI, and runs OS 8.6 beautifully. So I'm sure I'll find a use for it besides a paperweight. However, the monitor that he brought me that was originally attached to the computer is defective. It needs a new cable. But you can't just replace the cable, because its soldered (sp?) into the monitor. So that's a whole huge repair, until which time all I've got is the computer itself. But I'm thinking a new comp for $63 isn't such a bad deal.

Then, while I was driving around with my dad, he noticed that the CD player in my car skips about every 30 seconds. He got really annoyed and insisted that I drive to a sound place where he forked over $250 for a new cd player for my car. And he almost bought me new speakers for my car too. He still may, depending on how much I bitch about my car not being able to handle bass. Milk 'em for all he's worth, huh?

Then I saw Enemy at the Gates. This movie fscking rocked, and that's really all I can say about it. I loved every minute of it.

Finally, I went to Rocky Horror Picture Show, where I accidentally hit on a MOM who was there with her daughter. I didn't know she was a mom, she certainly didn't look much older than 20...boy did I feel stupid.

Which brings me to NOW, about 4 in the morning. About time for a post and some responses before dozing off.

Jannie: No, I don't watch The District. I'm home for a week.

Rayvn: <>: Its comments like these that make me wonder if I am a perfect being. 8-) I'm glad that THE female race car driver even liked the way that discussion was handled. That shows a lot about the strength of character in here. I was ready to be flamed as soon as I found out you did that, but was pleasantly surprised to find out otherwise.

Winterwolf: Good "General Thoughts", except one: Being kind is more important than being right. You didn't grow up in a jewish home, did you?

DPH: Good points on the CR, and I like your suggested admin policy too.

Lain: always trying to play the victim. Not everyone's life centers around CR, so don't be bitter that no one joined you in IM last night. I mean, it was friday night and some of us have RL's too. Oh and I will NEVER forgive you for forgetting about my fic. HOW COULD YOU?! ::sobs in corner:: Okay, maybe I'll forgive you. But you'll have to give me a really good reason to (a certain dream should give you some ideas). 8-) Okay, I feel dirty for having said that. Oh, and that is my ONLY fic. I wish there were more for you to read, but right now it stands that that one will be broken up into many parts.

Aingeal: <<using me as an example>>: There seems to be a lot of that going around these days...as I told Rayvn, I'm starting to wonder if that means I'm a perfect being, or maybe just an archetypal one.

SJ: Nice. Your apology and explanation were well written and cleared up a lot of stuff.

Gunjack: <<All I can say is that it sure as heck isn't coming from ME>>: Me neither. I guess I agree that there IS hate in here, but I sure wish there weren't. And it's not produced by everyone, which gives me some hope that the haters will go find another room to plague.

Gside: <<wang>>: Who wanta some wang? <<Bet you go before me>>: Are we talking about a wager? Cuz you're on. Shall we bet the usual amount? <<we've been spoiled>>: Yeah, that could be true also. I can't really say much about this cuz I haven't been here that long, but it seems to me that the complaints about TGS are different this season. Maybe its a hint to go back to the way things were? <<going to bed me?>>: Hey, going to bed ALL of us! Now my question is: would that be more fun than Crzy and Mara's make-out party?

The trick is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor bastard die for his.
-General George S. Patton
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
LOS ANGELES, CA, US of A
Sunday, March 25, 2001 06:29:15 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-61.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Joy. And things fall apart some more. "The best lack all convition, while the worst/Are full of passionate intensity." Actually, that's probably not a good thing to say now, nor quite true (though flames would not start without clashins of convictions). You know, I was first introduced to that stanza by a comic. X-Men, the epilogue to the Muir Island saga. One of the first that I bought. But I digress. And digressions are fun.

Fire Storm> <<Just give them some respect, ok?>>: I've apologised for the Lapin thing, haven't I? Actually, I probably just said a bunch of excuses about how I noticed a technical detail that is easily chalked up to artistic license. But still, sorry about the complaint. And I've tried to say optimistic things about the stories, but I've always been terse so if I notice something that nags at me, it appears to be more important that it really is.

Random fact, inspired by recent reading: Did you know that there are actually very few nerves right above the spine? Being, the product of two biologist, I am witness to my father taking two extended paperclips to the back of a volunteer's neck every couple family gatherings. It is quite fun to hear the volunteer claim to feel only one touch when both are actually being applied. Then there are the alalyses of inheritance of tongue rolling and hitchhiker's thumb. But I digress again.

Imzadi> <<We're all here because we love gargoyles>>: Actually, I'm here because I get to say stupid wang. Stuff, have people say stupid stuff back, and faintly remember that I kind of liked the show when it was on.
<<Pretty soon I'm gonna be the only single one left in here...sweeeeet>>: Bet you go before me.
<<The fact that the readers are "demanding" more might be an indication that the TGS stories *need* more>>: I'd be more likely to say that we've been spoiled by what's gone before.

JLA> <<The doujinshi is RAW>>: Ah. I still occaisonallly have trouble with the right to left thing.
<>: After your first hermaphrodite orgy, things start to seem tame.

Esmeraude> <<Please I bed,no I plead to all of you>>: You were going to bed me? Typos can be so much fun.

And now for a semi-old request. Ashes to Ashes by David Bowie, mainly because of the Major Tom lines.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, March 25, 2001 03:15:23 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

hi im back again cos i cant sleep..

anyway.. i have been thinking and thinking and thinking about this CR all night and trying to come up with something i can do to help.. but i cant really think of anything just now :(

anyway.. i thought id share something funny with you just cos i could and cos maybe we could do with some humour in here?

right um.. well today Lyn and i went to masonville and she got lunch at the chinese food manchu wok thingie there. and we got fortune cookies, you know how you do.. cos they sell them and all...
anyway.. has anyone ever played the game where you read your fortune and then add the words "in bed" to the end of it? if you havent then you are really missing out let me tell you ...
;)

so.. where was i?? oh right the fortune cookies... i was lucky enough to get TWO fortunes in MY cookie.. and they were:
"you will be unusually successful in business"
and
"you will receive some high prize or award"

now all of you in here.. you read those.. then play the game.. then think of me and my character.. and have yourselves a good little laugh at my expense.. ;)

(Lynati sure did ;))

anyway.. now i really REALLY REAAAALLLY have to go to bed..
look at me going to bed..
look at me not staying up and worrying about the comment room and the people in it..
look at me apologizing for forgetting to mention that ive read one of Imzy's fics too.. (SORRY IMZY!!!!ARGH!!)

look at me smiling >>>>> : )
all is good
:)
*hugs everyone and flops into bed, attempting sleep again*
love,

lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North, where sleep is o so elusive when your stomach is in knots..
Sunday, March 25, 2001 02:34:20 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

*lain enters, slightly more hopeful than before*

theres lots of post-y remarks i could make at the present moment but im kinda tired and need bed soon..
*is sicky-poo-cough-cough-sniffle*

anyway the only thing i have to say at the moment is that i think SJ's apology was wonderful.
Sevarius... thank you..

*smiles gently and exits*
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:46:41 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

SJ> That was one of the most heartfelt apologies that I've ever seen. It was extremely thoughtful.

There's something that I need to clarify. When I was trying to explain why Christine might receive a bit more tolerance than Fred – I did not mean that “she’s more popular or the upper echelon and therefore she is better than Fred”. In fact, I gave a couple of reasons of why this may be so… and even said that it wasn't right, but it happens.
I think Oracle explained it better than I did.
What I was *trying* to say was that each one of us will be dealt with based on the way we handle ourselves. So, if it appears that someone else receives a softer touch in reprimands that is because of the type of persona that this person has established.
That is what I meant by “you reap what you sow”. Some people are more respected than others. You EARN respect by the way you act yourself. I don’t think anyone has ever really argued that Fred did not get the bum deal last year… at least no one that doesn’t have an obvious dislike for him. So, when ya’ll continue to rant on and on about it, you are actually only preaching to a few people. The rest of everyone AGREES with you. You’ll probably never convince those who disagree that Fred was wronged, so why keep trying? Stop beating your head against the wall over it.

As far as others being considered the “upper echelon” - I don’t think it’s that as much as it is a level of respect and fondness. There really isn’t any type of (economic) class status here, it’s not a beauty contest since very few know what each other looks like, so how is this determined? By being respected and by being someone you want to be friends with.

*shrugs* not as if I’m listened to anyway…..

Jannie
Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:46:06 PM
IP: 33.houston-31rh16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Crzy><<but Gunjack... I think you need to go back and read over my involvement. I mean... GODS... How the heck did I get tossed into this?>> You weren't involved in it this time. Neither was Greg, or Oracle, or Stephen. All of you were GETTING involved though, which in my opinion would be classified as a Bad Move. Also, if I'm right in thinking that this goes back to what happened Last Time, I think it'd be a good idea to let Fred cool down before you start pulling his tail. I don't have a CLUE what goes on between you two (and I really, REALLY don't want to know either), but the two of you seem to mix about as well as nitro and bull-riding. *shrugs* ...No offense meant. I'd just rather get through this without any new eruptions.
<<"Did I.Q.'s suddenly drop while I was away?">> See my second-to-last nick. ; )

Patrick - You may have a point. Really, that was a "frankenstien"... I went back and added more several times, since more people kept posting. I origionally included her because of recent memories from reading the old logs, and from her minor comment to Fred/SJ. Again, sorry for that.

*exits listening to Queen's "I'm Going Slightly Mad"* ; )
Gunjack "Convex and Cartilaginous" Valentine
Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:25:04 PM
IP: 216-146-184-216.bwn.net

:: stands up and applauds Oracle ::

Gunjack Valentine > I don't see where you are getting that Crzy has been "pointing fingers." She's barely even been involved in this discussion.

More people announcing they are leaving... it's gonna be pretty lonely around here soon. And I can't help but thinking this is NOT what the old saying "When the going gets tough, the tough get going," is supposed to mean.

Kenny Rogers once sang that "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to run." Well... I think the running should always be the LAST resort. And since both sides want to hold and no one is willing to fold... all that leaves as an option is the walking away. And what I mean by that is I don't think there's anything to gain here by continuing the "ten things I hate about you" kind of postings. No offense, SJ, as tempting as it may be to take advantage of your declaration of open season on yourself, all that's going to do is perpetuate this, and more anger is not what this CR needs right now.

So why are some people admired more than others in the fandom? I have no good answer for that, other than that fandom is just a microcosm of real life, and that's they way things are in our society overall. People tend to rally around those who are charismatic, talented, or entertaining... and they similarly tend to shy away from those who are perpetually angry or short tempered. Why that is true is a question for the psychologists and sociologists. I am neither, but I suspect it has a lot to do with us humans being the social creatures we are.

:: tosses in his two cents and scampers off ::
Patrick Toman
Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:16:01 PM
IP: ac959ab7.ipt.aol.com

Sorry for the double post... but Gunjack... I think you need to go back and read over my involvement. I mean... GODS... How the heck did I get tossed into this?? This is between SJ/Fred/Doug/Kit, etc. It has nothing to do with me at all.
"Did I.Q.'s suddenly drop while I was away?"
Ripley - "Aliens"
CrzyDemona
Saturday, March 24, 2001 09:33:19 PM
IP: 1cust97.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

SJ - Wow, you make it sound like I stood up and made you all wear scarlet letters or something! I definately do NOT have the whole story here... I am just making a passing observation at the reasons your friends and supporters are leaving the comment room and blaming your recent behavior for it. It was just shocking and unexpected. I am not saying you are the sole reason... why you singled me out is obviously rooted in our past differences.

Did you ever think that Christine won't get banned from this place because she shows her side with a bit more restraint and civility than Fred does?

"Why does a minority of the people in the fandom have to be considered the upper echelon of the fandom?" Because they are charismatic and talented. People like Christine and Christi envoke emotions in people with their talents and that draws people to them. They shouldn't be hated because they are admired... there are BUCKETSFUL of GOOD reasons to hate them! (Christine... of course these are reasons I LOVE YOU.)

As for Greg being worshiped as a god. I don't think he ever put in an application for "God of Gargoyles". But I think it is an accurate term for someone who creates a universe. A universe we all play in. He has never claimed to be alone in the creation of the world of Gargoyles... there were many that worked on it to make it what it was. But he is the one who has come into this fandom to talk to us and help us understand the "vision" that is Gargoyles. It really urks me that people bite him in the ass constantly for wanting to help the fans. I am sorry you don't like him, but honestly, you don't even know him. ::shrugs::

I better go before I ramble on some more...
CrzyDemona
Saturday, March 24, 2001 09:29:00 PM
IP: 1cust97.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Bad night. Worse morning. More later, perhaps.

Imzy - Hate to break it to you, 'mano, but there IS hate in here. That should be fairly obvious by now. All I can say is that it sure as heck isn't coming from ME.

Greg/Crzy/Oracle/<insert name of sniper here> - In case y'all didn't notice, we just had a small apocalypse here. Not to trample your first amendment rights or anything, but do you REALLY think we need to go pointing fingers just now? You guys have all been here long enough to know that there's more to this than just some looney flaming people. In case you've forgotten some things along the way, go back and read those spritely little archives. It seems rather obvious to me that there IS a problem, and no one, YOUR OWN SELVES INCLUDED, has done anything to fix it.
It's blatently obvious that no one "won" this one. We all lost. Now, do you want to fix things, or keep taking potshots? Yes, I think Fred and SJ have gone WAY out of bounds recently. But just because they're behaving badly doesn't mean that their point is wrong, and it doesn't give anyone justification to respond in kind. If SOMEONE in here doesn't learn to turn the other cheek pretty soon, this place is screwed.

Lady Mystic><<What do YOU want this room to be and become?>> An excellent question. As far as I'm concerned, it's not what I want the room to become, but what the room IS. It's a place of good friends and good cheer. I can come here to joke around with the dubba duo or have my pants run up the flagpole by Lynati. I can listen to Gside's music, and leave a few rediculous quotes in return. I can play mindgames with Warps, and maybe even leave the odd Gathering Odds. I can debate religion, philosophy, or politics POLITELY with just about anyone, or maybe discuss which high-energy weapons would be the best for taking potshots at Oberon. And when I finally get off my butt and read the TGS stories, I can join in a discussion and gripe at the nice writer-people for not having <insert garg> use his/her/it's talons to remove <insert villian>'s head.
I think it's pretty obvious that the CR wouldn't work as a TGS-only comment room. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure that trying to make it so would remove most of the "feel" of the CR. Also, I agree with FS that while certian issues need to be delt with, this is most emphaticly NOT the place to be doing the dealing. A large majority of the current posters weren't even here back when all this started, and they do NOT need to be forced to watch old arguements being dredged up. This whole mess is between a few isolated people, and it seems to me that the details should be handled privately. If public affirmation is needed, then AFTER you've worked things out, the various parties can post their apologies publicly. Anything more than that is (I think) both pointless and dangerous. I may be wrong, in which case there's still FS's suggestion of a "flame board".

SJ - From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU. do you realize that, in the year-long history of this fight, that was the first sincere, honest apology that I have seen? On ANY side?
<<Actually, I do value your opinion...>> I rather thought you might, but I didn't want to jump to any assumptions. Also, it was late, and I was both tired and depressed. : P ...Sorry about that. <<And it's okay for you to call me Sancho.>> *chuckles* No prob. *offers a handshake* I'm looking forward to that email... ; )

Lyn - *huggles, and loads down with various medicinal items* Take care! Watch out for the crazy hippies! Get home safe! ; ) ...Have a good trip now, hear?

And now I'm outa here. I'm going to go download that little abandonware ditty, and try my hand at turn-based strategy again. GRENADE!!!! *Dives to the floor, and crawls out the door*
Gunjack "Peter Piper's Pickles" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 09:04:44 PM
IP: 216-146-184-216.bwn.net

Have to make this quick. Before I run out of time on this computer.

Doug and Kit- I hope that you are still reading these posts. I'll miss seeing your posts when I come here and I hope that I can still get through to you on e-mail. You've become some of my closest friends. I'm not to sure of what to say right now so I hope to talk to you later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 09:03:58 PM
IP: 211.237.77.40

Good Luck Lynati. Have a safe and speedy trip back south!

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Saturday, March 24, 2001 08:30:15 PM
IP: adsl-141-155-118-8.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Whoo boy. Here we go.

I can honestly say that in my wildest imaginations, I did not anticipate this happening. That doesn't really help things, I know, but I say this because, whether you choose to believe me or not, it was not my intention--or Fred's--to make ANYONE leave the CR. I think that some of you probably feel that that is not the case, that this was some sort of plan. That I, or Fred, wanted Doug/Kit/Kaioto (if he has left as well) to leave and never return. That is not the case. There is no great conspiracy here, no smoking gun to be found. In my heart, I do hold out hope that at least some of you will take my word on that. In my heart, I have hope that at least one of you does believe me when I say that I did not want this to happen. If you will bear with me, I will try and explain. Whether you agree with me or believe me, that is not up to me. But I would appreciate it if you will allow me to say my piece this one time. If any of you have any respect for me left, I ask for you to please listen.

I know some of you have asked how I feel about this situation. Some of you feel otherwise, but I'm not a very happy man right now. I don't honestly see how anyone could feel that I would be. This is not a win-win situation for me; when people leave the CR, no matter who they are, I don't think anyone could claim that the situation was "win-" anything, except perhaps "no win". I am not upset because I'm being considered as the cause for all this unpleasantness (and maybe I am), but rather because my words and actions had a totally unexpected and unpleasant effect upon the CR, and effect that was far from my intentions. I am not happy that Doug/Kit or Kaioto are gone, though there are some (Crzy, Greg, I can see how you would feel that way, given our past history, but regardless of what either of you think, I'm not doing backflips or tapdancing right now) who believe so. Again, I hold out hope that there are some of you who believe or at least recognize that I was not intending for things to go like this. If you will read my last post carefully, you will see that no where did I say to anyone that they should leave the CR, or that they would not be welcome in the CR (before you protest, my remarks about Kaioto were about his position as administrator, not his status as a regular poster to the CR). The question to then be raised is, how did I expect things to go, and I'll get to that shortly. This was not what I intended to happen, in the least. Nor do I feel that I am the SOLE reason that anyone has decided to leave (and no, Crzy, if I'm not the sole reason, that does not automatically mean that Fred is the other reason). You can put the brunt of the burden upon me if you wish, and perhaps I am deserving of it, but if I may raise one issue in my defense, it's that all of this came about in part to an argument that is reoccurring, one that has TWO sides (and by 2 I don't mean me and Fred). Furthermore, I ultimately can not make anyone leave the CR. That decision is up to the individual. If you want to say that I contributed to creating an atmosphere that was hostile and unfriendly, that is fine and probably more than true (some of my biggest fans, please take note, I am providing you with some great ammunition here), but beyond the consequences of such an action (which was not committed in an effort to make anyone leave), I did not wish or intend for anyone to leave and I just don't feel that I have the power to make anyone do so even if I wanted to. That's not me dodging responsibility, that's just my honest answer.

About Doug.....with my recent actions towards Doug, I think most would probably wonder how I truly feel about Doug. If you choose to believe me, than I offer to explain, and hope you will listen. I do not hate Doug. I do not dislike Doug. Yes, there were certain aspects of Doug that I had problems with, but they were not as serious as you or even Doug might assume they would be. Certainly they weren't anywhere near as serious that I wanted him to leave, or even that he should infer that I wanted him to do so. My "grievances" with Doug were actually so minor that they were almost inconsequential, but apparently not only did I not make that clear but also Doug did not feel that was the case.
I am not trying to villify Doug with what I am about to say, although some of you may construe it that way.
I do not think Doug fully understood what I said in my last post. One of the biggest things that he talks about in his last message is that he won't take my challenge, because I want him to so that he could be banned…..that was never the case. I never asked him to take that challenge, and in my last post I explained that the whole challenge idea was a hypothetical situation I created in which to express the point that there are biases in the fandom. How he interpreted that into meaning I wanted him to take the challenge, I do not know. I will have to talk with him to get a full explanation. Maybe I do have my head crammed up my ass, but I was not trying to create a win-win situation for myself. Without asking him directly, I would think that the majority of Doug's umbrage with me is in response to my earlier comments in my last post. But even so, based upon that alone, I do not know how he inferred that I wanted him gone. I didn't. I don't now. I never have.
I am thinking, hopefully accurately, that the reason Doug left is because of the climate of the room. I know I contributed to that. I'm not dumb AND blind, mind you.
Did I ride Doug too hard and badger him? I think the answer to that is, Jesus Christ yes. Did I comprehend that, in doing so, he might choose to leave? No. Why did I do it in the first place? I was trying to prove my point, and yes, I did it in a horrible way without regard of his feelings. For those who choose to believe me, I didn't do it to play head games with him, or with the intention of making him leave, or to make him hate anybody. I wanted to get out of him what I perceived to be his honest feelings, and I did it in a bad way, and I was oblivious to the effect it (revealing his feelings, if that was the case) would have on him. Could I have done so through email? Yes, but I didn't because I didn't think this would be the end result. Ignorance is no excuse, of course. I can say nothing more than I'm sorry.
Before you ask, yes, I will write to Doug soon. Whether he will listen to me, that's another story. If he doesn't, I can't say I blame him.

So I would ask you, if you want to hate me, or be angry at me for making Doug leave, please blame me in the sense that I helped contribute to the hostile climate of the room. Please do not blame me for wanting him to leave, or trying to make him leave, or intentionally doing anything to make him leave other than contribute to the climate of the room (which, in and of itself, was not done with the intention of making anyone leave), because to do otherwise is not accurate. I did not intend for him to leave, I did not want him to leave, but he's gone, apparently, so I suppose I shall shoulder the brunt of the responsibility.
I would like to reiterate that for some people. *I* bear the blame, not Fred. To try and finger Fred in all of this is, in my opinion, a rather shallow and petty move, and is just as much a personal attack and "refusing to let things die" as anything that he and I have done or have been accused of doing.

So some of you have asked the question, what do I want (this room to be) and why I did what I did.
Speaking for myself, I suppose I could say that I want things to be like they once were, but I do not feel that is possible. This is beyond "forgive and forget", or "live and let live". Let us say, hypothetically, that we all do drop the flames and arguments. The fact of the matter is, speaking from my perspective….I just don't like certain people in here. It's painfully obvious who those people are. I can't honestly say that I will ever like them, either. And I would say that too much has gone on for me to ever just let bygones be bygones. Even if I were to be civil in here for the rest of my days with those I do not like….I still won't like them. I won't agree with them on virtually anything. Bottom line. It will ultimately solve nothing, because I don't really know if it's a problem that can be fixed. And as sweet as lain is, I'm not entirely sure it's a matter of to just stop the disliking, because I do not really think I am capable of that (or strong enough to do so). I can be civil, I can choose to ignore those who I do not like, but I don't think I will ever be able to stand side by side with them in solidarity and consider them friends. So, the question is, where do we go from there? What do you want from me? I could keep up the pretense of bygones for the sake of everyone else in the room, but would that really help in the long term? I can't fully predict how some of you will react to that, but I have an inclination. After saying this, perhaps some of you would rather that I do leave, if I can't play nice with some people. I don't know the answer. To use a tired cliché, I'm open to suggestions. I think the damage is perhaps unrepairable at this point, and I am not ignoring my own part in that being the case. So what do I want this CR to become….I would like for it to be a place where there's an equal playing field. I don't feel it is that way now. It's related to the point I was trying to make.
As for why I did what I did…..my entire point, which was bogged down and mired in everything that was going on, was that there IS a bias in the fandom. I don't like it, and regardless of what some might believe, I didn't want the bias to switch in MY favor, or Fred's favor, or ANYONE's favor. I want there to be NO bias whatsoever. When Jannie says something like, yes, there is a bias in favor of Christine, but "that's just the way things are", I have to scream, WHY? Why does that have to be the case? Why does a minority of the people in the fandom have to be considered the upper echelon of the fandom? Even questions as to why Greg Weisman has to be considered "god" by everyone in the fandom, even if he did virtually create the show? Ultimately, I was perhaps overzealous in my criticism of these biases. I think if you want to criticize my behavior, that is fine, I'm probably more than deserving of it, but my reasons for doing so-to attack biases which I felt went beyond just preferences in the fandom to become actual injustices committed against people who had dissenting opinions-I feel were sound.

But I'm sorry to you all. I don't think a lot of you really care. But I'm sorry.

I don't know how some of you will react. I do invite you to say what you will to me. If that means ranting at me, I will understand. And before some people say, "take care of that in email", let me ask you to NOT do so. If you have grievances against me because of my behavior, please, this once, voice those opinions IN THE CR. Do you want to move forward? Perhaps the first step is to be open and tell me how you feel in the CR. Get it out of your system. Trust me, I will not take it personally, no matter how much you yell at me, if you choose to do so.

But I will ask this of you-I'm extending this invitation to me. If….and a big if….if you have grievances with Fred, I will beg you, even those who just plain do not like and/or hate him, to leave THAT out of the CR. You want to vent at me, that's fine, because I'm inviting that (and I'm doing so in an effort for everyone to express how they feel, because I honestly feel that if you do get it out of your system, than the ultimate result will be beneficial, if for no other reason than we'll be able say what we feel and then perhaps move on). Please don't take that as an excuse to write big long posts about what an asshole Fred is. I don't really care how much you feel he is at fault for this, it's irrelevant in the sense that now screaming and ranting at him will do NO good. If you want things to get better, that's not going to help. You want to yell at him, please don't do it in the CR. I am fair game; he is not. Those of you who would take such an opportunity to kick him while you can, you should please refrain. You are then following into the same viscious circle that you all say has gone on long enough. Look at it this way-you want to talk about taking the high ground, start there. Listen to the sweet, beautiful, good-hearted little lain, and just end it with me, not him.

Because if you want to really talk about hypocrisy, a good example of it is to say "let's drop it" to those who are doing the arguing, and then when the arguing is over, to then take that chance to perpetuate another argument, that being "Us vs. Fred". I suppose I should be the last person to lecture you on this, but if there is only one wise thing that comes out of my mouth, it is that if you start to bash Fred now, than you are at least as bad if not worse than you ever say he is/was, because you supposedly know better and you're choosing to lash out at him regardless. "But you didn't listen to that advice! That's not what you or Fred did!"
Maybe you're right. But let me ask you-is bashing Fred going to solve anything? I've spent the last few hours reading posts and rereading posts saying "Now is the time to move on", and if you just take this opportunity to just bash Fred, that won't ever happen. Maybe that's the one thing I've learned from this whole sorrowful affair.
I fear that, do to my own actions, very few of you will actually heed this advice. So if you won't listen to me, listen to lain, or Lady Mystic, or Gunjack, when they say JUST LET IT BE.

Gunjack: Actually, I do value your opinion, and it is sorrowful that you perhaps feel or have felt that in some way I did not, or that I would be mad at you for speaking your mind. If I've said anything over the past few days (to my detriment), it's that I appreciate honesty. I'll be sending you an email soon, but I do thank you for your words (you know what I am talking about), and most of all, I appreciate that you took the time to try and understand where I was coming from instead of just taking the easy route and just condemning me, as would have probably been your right.. That says a lot about your character to me.
And it's okay for you to call me Sancho.

Stephen and Oracle: No, Fred is not the sole reason for all of this. And no, by saying that I am not just saying you should then just blame him AND me.
You will probably never, ever believe me, but Fred's point, much like mine, was not that he was jealous over popularity, but rather than the popularity of some ultimately was at the expense of others. I think….actually, I KNOW that there are some people in here who do understand that. You may not, ever, but that's actually the way it is.

Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 08:03:40 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

You know, I see one thing in common here and that's people are leaving when they'd rather stay. Yet, for logical reasons no one wants to stay where they're gonna get crapped on for their beliefs. Beliefs that are theirs to express in whatever way they choose. That's the whole Freedom of Speech junk we all know. But its not written anywhere that we have to accept and agree with those beliefs. We do have the ability to ignore or just pass up things that bother us. We do not have to sink to a certain level and bash what we don't understand or like. Say you don't like it all you want, just don't spit on it and ram it up someone ass.

Pissy has this huge inferiorty complex that makes him blow crap way out of proportion. Has he read any of Christine or supposed pervert's fics? Nope. He just assumes its all crap because it has an NC-17 rating. So sorry Fred, but Christine didn't get published because her work is crap. Deal with it. Every writer wants to get published, paid or just recognized in some way for their artistic ability. Excuse me but everyone here that writes, draws, etc -is- getting recognized. By this comment room, by their friends, by their own circle of fans. Fred, you should be lucky you have this ablity to write and write well. You have a computer to write with, a crowd to show it to. So you don't have the same style that Christine or others have. So the f*ck what? Be proud of what you can do and have, not what you're lacking. Same thing goes for your life in general. Be happy you have a roof over your head, a car to drive and money to spend. Go live in a homeless shelter for a while and watch starving kids whine about lack of food, then talk to them and see how they react when you tell them why your life is shit. Oh, my job sucks, the roof over my head sucks, my computer costed way too much and gosh darn it, the people on the internet that I have money to pay for bitch too much. Awww....
If you have such a huge problem with graphic sex, go talk to Tipper, not a fandom that has a whole site dedicated to naughty fics.

In regards to the whole "Christine or [Instert Other Writers Here]" ability to look perfect no matter what debate. Well, yeah. They can and do because no one wants to piss off the Queen of Gargs Fanfiction. No one wants to be unpopular. If she came in and started ranting like Fred does and going a little overboard with the hostility, I actually think that people would say something. Not "look you stupid bitch, what are you thinking" but they'd deal with it in a calmer manner. Pistoff on the other hand exudes this aura around him, an angry one. If you have a problem with him, deal with him an an angry manner. What other kind of reaction would you have with someone named "Pistoff" and famous for his rant page? Love, flowers and butterflies? There is a reputation there whether he wants it or not and people will respond in the same manner because they *gasp shock* think he can take it because everyone has the smart-ass gene in them.

As for people leaving. Why? I really don't understand how a debate or fight like this can make so many people leave. If you think you're so wronged, then prove that you are not. Be the better person and deal with it like adults. Oh wait, most just run away. That's really showing how mature you are. And I'm not trying to really piss people off here. But jeez, if you have a gripe with someone don't let THEM get to you in such a way. This is a place you called home, had a place to feel comfortable and meet friends. Then you leave because things get a bit hot under the collar. Well, so then pass over the flames. Like Patrick said, move on, not out. You can be better than this.

Lain brought up a good point about respect. That's pretty much what it comes down to. Yes, we know this cannot be a utopia, but that's not what we are here for. People are here to discuss their lives, TGS, and newsworthy topics. Everyone has their opinions, they should be respected. Again, not liked, just respected. Making personal attacks because you personally feel like shit, that's not cool. You need a better outlet rather than making it public and expecting people to rally around a dickhead. If someone does post something totally crappy about someone, ignore it. "I'm sorry you feel that way, but you have to look in the mirror everyday and thank God I'm not you."

I may be alone in this thinking but yes, we can get past this and not speak of it. What do we expect to happen if we don't stop talking about it? Christine to stop writing in her own style? Pistoff to...not get pissed off? Like he's going to make nicey nice with Christine or something just because people are leaving. Yup. That's the solution. Alot of people here don't like Pistoff's way of dealing with things, but yet they do recognize that he does have logical and decent things to say sometimes. Just, move on people. Deal with this and remember there are alot worse things out there than nasty opinions.
Oracle
Saturday, March 24, 2001 07:45:19 PM
IP: mke-24-167-233-114.wi.rr.com

*Lynati enters*

Headed back to the states now.
wish me luck. (and a short trip)
*waves*
See you in a day or so.

*Lynati pulls on many layers and exits*
Lynati
the southward bound :(
Saturday, March 24, 2001 07:40:56 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

[strolls in, shaking his head...]

Well, looks like things finally got to "worse".

I've mostly kept out of things as of late, not because I'm a coward (glances over at SJ)... far from it. I've just been sort of sick of all the negative geedunk that's been flying back and forth. It's a sad thing to see that some people have left the CR because of stuff that - what comes down to it in essence - has been nothing more than a kindergarden bitch-fight.

Fred's been ticked that his writing isn't as popular as some of that from other people. He gets angry and lashes out, and gets slammed back in retaliation by those that want to defend those writers that are popular... so now he comes back, and thanks to his comments people are at each other's throats and threatening to leave or have left. Deny it all you want, but it wasn't Doug or Kit or Christine or anyone that I could tell that started the whole shebang. Only one person is responsible...

That's Pistoff's sole claim.

And thanks to him, this place has started going down the road to hell, and i'd be none to surprised that we'll see Fred's hand on the handle of the basket when everything's pitched into the flames of another war of words.

Well, what I'm ultimately saying is that while I still love TGS and Gargoyles, and a lot of the people in here are some I consider friends and close confidants, I guess I personally don't want to take part in this CR if all we're going to do is stab each other and try to prove that any one person is "better" that any other... life's just too short for that sort of waste.

So, two things to say before I fade back into the background.

First, my old email address - scififangargoyle@yahoo.com - is no longer valid. For the people that need to reach me, I'll be in touch eventually, through ICQ or other means.

Secondly, Fred... Sic Semper Tyrannis. Hope you enjoy being the Tyrant of this CR, because you certainly played the villain's role to the sticking place. But, even after that, I hope that someday that cold, hard piece of black lavarock you call a heart lets a little warmth of humanity into it someday...even dreamers and fools can wish for the best in anybody.

To everyone else, take care and Maintain and Check Six!

[ambles out of the room, tipping his Big White Hat to everyone in departure as he exhunts...]

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Saturday, March 24, 2001 06:33:53 PM
IP: 6532163hfc112.tampabay.rr.com

::Slightly shocked, horrified look on face after reading what she'd missed::

::Walks over and huggles lain and those left that have thorns from the explosions left, hoping that people will see the mess and help clean it up and make a new place to share and learn::

I didn't know many people in here very well. Those i did was because of finding IM names and talking to them that way. But I'm an empath, seeing the pain and sadness, the frustration, ire, and all the other negativity in here breaks my heart. WHY? Why do people attack each other, why can't we accept that we aren't a supreme power in the universe, therefore we are fallilbe. State your opinion, look at what others offer, keep what fits your feelings and views and move on. You matter, they matter, we all do. Maybe i'm a fool, maybe I'm naive, but i don't get it.

::shakes her head and moves off to sit on a rock and watch:: I came in here to meet people...I didn't know much of anything about TGS until about 2 weeks ago, i came in because Archwolf, Mecord, and Cat talked me into it. but i found that i liked it. and now.. it seems I'm losing the chance to know people before I ever got to, because tempers fly, and people leave. I lurked while life chewed on me, but I didn't have to leave. If you feel that you can't stay because no-one is listening to you, or that "everyone" is out to get you... don't... I konw for one I'm clueless as to the discussion, but i love everyone. I don't want to lsoe people that could be friends because of this.. if you need time out, take it. I'm in IM...ladynewill2u@hotmail, and varied ones in AIM (CarriesTheFlame being most recent).

I can understand why people want to leave, I've been there. I have lost the closeness with many friends here at college from doing that last semster when I was struggling. But know this.. if you sever ties, it can take a long time to rebuild them...

I'm here for anyone that needs to talk, and am out of it enough to be impartial. I don't care what "side" you're on.. ask Imzy, I'm a MAC hater, and he and i talk regularly, that doesn't mean I agree with him, or like macs, just means i can set aside the differences to care about the person that he is. (sorry Imzy, you seem to be a good example) I don't know what will happen, but i hope that people will look at what they are doing, we are all human, we all have opinions, but inside we are all pretty alike. learn to look for the things that bring us closer together, and that teach us how to work together and make this world better, not for the weaknesses or differences that drive us apart.

I've got to go, cars to hunt for, and a home phone line i can't abuse.

I love you all, even without needing to know you.

::curls up in a winged ball and watches::
Aingeal
Home
Saturday, March 24, 2001 02:56:04 PM
IP: 3di205.rica.net

*lain enters quietly again, walks to Gunjack Valentine and cradles him comfortingly*

Allright you lot.

actually im not too surprised that kaioto has decided to stay out of this, i imagine thats what most of the sensible people in the universe would be doing right about now.. (this is yet another proof that i am NOT a sensible person in any way, shape, or form)

*makes the note that no-one even made half an attempt to join her on any IMs last night and ponders if this is proof of her theory that, though people claimed they wanted resolution, none of them actually did*

*looks in the general direction of Doug and Kit and shouts at them not to be so damned selfish by punishing all the rest of their CR friends by copping out and leaving*

Sevarius Jr.>> so then my dear.. if you appreciate what i was trying to do, why did you completely ignore it? did you think i was right and just want to perpetuate the anger? get in one last shot instead of letting the issue die?
no, i wasnt here for the first round, that is perhaps a simple excuse for my actions. " I wish things would work out the way you say they should, but alas this is not a perfect world, and I do not think things could stop even if you wanted them too." Sevarius, love, dont you know the only reason why the world doesnt work the way "i say they should" is because YOU and others like you DONT WANT it to be that way? dont you KNOW that?
if you want to be understanding of my position and respectful of it and say that is the way things should be, then WHY NOT WORK TOWARDS IT? of COURSE this is not a perfect world, i would never for a second try to imply that it was. however, the only way this world will ever get any better is if people (ALL people) WANT it to get better.. if noone wants it to improve, and noone empowers themselves to MAKE A CHANGE then you are right and NOTHING will happen.
you are NOT helpless in this discussion. your actions were completely your own so dont say that you wish you could stop but couldnt. of COURSE you could stop.
the point is you didnt WANT to
you could and still can STOP where you stand and show far more strength by STANDING STILL than you EVER could by fighting.

my attitude is NOT "lets just drop this and cover it up" from personal experience i KNOW that this accomplishes nothing.
i think you people need to have more tact when dealing with issues though
i have seen people attack each other DIRECTLY in here. and you know what i think that means? i think it shows that the attacker thinks their opinion is too weak to stand on its own. so they have to physically cut down the other by way of personal attacks in order to make others think your arguement is stronger.
this shows a weakness indeed.
for the future, if someone has a disagreement with another, KEEP THE ARGUMENT AT THE LEVEL OF THE ARGUMENT. if you see that your argument does not stand as well, then DO NOT personally attack the other because it shows even more weakness on your behalf.

i dont care about fanfics, really. ive never read christine morgan nor pistoffs fics. ive never really read any (cept for lynati's cos she asked me to) so i suppose i really AM out of the loop on this discussion.
maybe that makes me a good observer, or maybe that makes me a bigger idiot, im not sure..

and one last thing. if you think kaioto is not doing a good job or anyone is not doing a good job, dont come in here and embarass him over it in a public forum.
this shows an EXTREME lack of respect.
in grade three everyone is taught not to disrespect the leader in front of the group. this only serves to make the leader angry.
maybe kaioto is not "the leader" (as it were.. )but he is the one who gets to post with the CR ADMINISTRATOR pic, not you or i or anyone else..
so please respect THAT at least.
if you have a complaint, DO NOT post it in here. send it somewhere else. if you want a new ADMIN, then go through the propor channels, dont insult him in here thank you.

anyway.. thats my piece for now

*goes back to gently rocking Valentine and singing a soft, sad, gaelic lullabye, changing a small word..*
o ba ba mo leannan
ba mo leannan ba
o ba ba mo leannan
ni mo leannans' an ba ba..
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Saturday, March 24, 2001 02:24:18 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Please I bed,no I plead to all of you to stop this negativity, because of your feelings the CR is crumbling.

I want to tell you a story.
There was once a beautiful island where all the meotions and feelings lived. One day the island started to sink and the metions started to leave. All except Love, Love wanted to help keep the ilsand alfoat and beautiful, but soon the island was unsaveable and Love called to help
First came greed
"Oh greed won't you please help me?" Love asked
"Sorry but if I helped you I would have to throw some of my gold and silver over." So Greed left. Next came vanity in a beautiful boat
"Oh Vanity won't you please help me?" Love asked
"No way your dripping wet, you would ruin my boat" so Vanity left. Next came Sadness
"Oh Sadness won't you please help me?" Love asked
"Sorry I need to be alone right now" Sadness left
"Wont anybody please help me" Love called out
"Love come with me." An old entity said. So Love climbed into his boat andthey all sailed to the new home of emotions. The old entity left before Love could thank him. Love went to Knowledge
"Knowledge who was that who helped me?" Love asked
"That was Time" Knowledge said
"But why would Time help me?" Love asked
and Knoledge answered
"Only Time knows how truley great Love is."

Soo if we left go of this bitterness and replace it with love Time will carry us through.
I dont think anyone wished for this to happen to the CR. Some just wanted to be treated fiarly and just, but if we keep this up the CR will crumbl into nothingess so please I pray to you Magic Knights, I mean Gargoyle lovers, heklp save Cephiro, I mean the CR.
*wipes away a few tears and continues to pray*
Princess Emeraude
CephiroSaturday, March 24, 2001 02:19:34 PM
IP: user-37kaos1.dialup.mindspring.com

Crzy & Mara > If you're gonna sell tickets, I can be your promoter? Just call me Don King, baby! >:)

kathy, Christine > I agree with you... this whole debate seems to have very little to do anymore with the actual story that first set it off almost a year ago and a whole lot to do with dueling personalities and the opposing side's seeming desire not to let this discussion end until they win. Me... I was content to agree to disagree. From the beginning, I never expected that Madame Destine would win univeral admiration and praise, anyway. And now... well, I'll be content to sigh and nod pleasantly and ignore from here on out any further snide comments and other such attempts to get me riled up. There comes a time when it's just better to move on than continue to waste energy on a unresolvable and pointless debate.

That doesn't mean I'm going to leave this CR too, though. There's a difference between moving ON and moving OUT. And I'm saddened to see that so many people feel the only recourse left to them, to prove their point or otherwise, is to make a dramatic exit. As others have already mentioned, I, too, find this current turn of events ironic in light of the recent discussion on bullying in the schools. I'm just not going to give into it... as much as some might like to see me leave, I'm not going to be like Cartman. So you can all expect to continue to see the smiling face of your friendly neighborhood Puck around here for a long time to come.

"Screw you guys... I'm goin' home!" - Cartman, "South Park"
Patrick Toman
Saturday, March 24, 2001 01:26:29 PM
IP: ac91bda7.ipt.aol.com

1st, Doug & Kit will be missed by this room. Less RP will be present. I was planning on RP crossover after Mother's Day. I guess I will have to wait and see what becomes of the RP in this room.

2nd, the CR owes much of its continued existance to the TGS staff.

3rd, if this room becomes ONLY topic driven, it will die slowly, because there is not enough topics to keep the room 'hot'.

4th, I think part of the problem is lack of administrative support. I would suggest 3 administrators (with each individual having full powers but banning) and it would take 2 of them to agree to ban anyone.

That's almost all I have to say for now except that the idiot I live with needs to buy some clues about reality ASAP.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, March 24, 2001 01:12:51 PM
IP: max1-6.cwy.cei.net

I'd like to say more but I'm pressed for time at the moment.

SOROW> **Hugs** I'm praying for you. :(

Shadowrider> I'm here. This is a busy weekend, but they seem to follow that pattern. I'll send you email later today.

Aingeal> The car was totaled? :( On the bright side you are okay and hopefully you can get a great replacement vehicle.

Doug and Kit> Please don't leave. I would miss the two of you.

Sevarius Jr. and Pistoff> I'd also like both of you to stay as well. I'd miss both of you as well if you left.

General Thoughts

1. When you plan to get even with someone, you are only letting that person continue to hurt you.
2. One should keep their words both soft and tender, because tomorrow they may have to eat them.
3. When you harbor bitterness, happiness will dock elsewhere.
4. I can't choose how I feel, but I can choose what I do about it.
5. Under everyone's hard shell is someone who wants to be appreciated and loved.
6. Being kind is more important than being right.

**Winterwolf stops at the Tea Table of Peace and has a cup dropping off a box of girl scout cookies which he found in his cabinet last night**

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:19:33 PM
IP: adsl-141-155-108-167.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Well, damn. Excuse my language, folks, but SHEESH. This has gone way too far for way too many silly reasons. I'll admit I stayed out of things because it didn't feel like any o' my business, but when people start gettin' so fed up that they start leaving, well, that's no good. Especially when they've been my friends in here for as long as I've been here.

Let me just say that in response to Lady Mystic's question, I want this CR to be right what it was when I first found it a few years ago. It was a place where different people with a common interest in a TV show could get together and discuss every possible aspect of the show, creativity demons, and the miracle that is TGS, as well as RL issues. And I've always enjoyed coming here, since it was always a place where you could have some intelligent conversations about *very* controversial topics, and there were no flame wars...people just had their varying opinions, and voiced them, and then were fine with it.

Then I made the huge mistake of leaving. I guess some things happened while I was gone, and I'm still not quite sure of what when on, but maybe me and the ol' Tea Table of Peace needed to be here, I'm not sure. So this is my public apology to everyone. I'm so sorry I left.

And when I come back here, just tickled to death to find all my old friends, and the place has changed. I hope this is only a temporary condition for the CR (I would hate to have to see things here end for good, or be restricted), and that somehow things can go back to the way they were.

I'll be optimistic. And I'll still be here, sittin' at my old, dusty Tea Table that hasn't been used for PEACE in quite some time.

Imzadi> Yeah, I think posting DID go way up after we all knew there would be no wipe. Funny, huh? ;) And I like what you had to say...when you brought up the "women drivers" issue, that was definitely a controversial thing...and while I didn't agree with you (plus I really didn't think you were making any intent to offend anyone, you were just bringing up a point), I like the way the topic was handled. You said your points, other people voiced their ideas, people supported certain ideas, and then it was over. I like that, and that's what makes me optimistic about this place! :)

Greg, Kaioto, Doug, Kit, anyone else fed up with this place> I feel for you guys. I mean, I came here to find friends, voice some ideas...I ended up making some very good friends, and I'm so very thankful for that, and I consider you guys some of my friends. I wouldn't want this place to become the source of my anxiety, rather than a place to vent and relax. Maybe what everyone needs is a breather, I'm not sure...but do what you need to do...I'll be here if you need to talk about anything. **hugs**

TGS Staff> Let me just say that I love all you guys! I certainly appreciate what you're doing, and I don't agree with some of the harsh criticism you guys have been getting. You have certainly made my life much more enjoyable with your stories, and this CR, and the pics...everything. So THANK YOU! :)

**sighs** Okay, well...I'm out of things to say, and I just don't want this place falling apart. PLEASE?
Ravyn
Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:12:50 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Okay fine I might as well leave as well (GONE for good if possible)
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:08:29 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-167.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

::kerblinkety blink blink::

Well now, at least Fred and SJ have taken to driving their supporters away instead of their rivals. This is definately a twist I didn't see coming. Doug and Kit will definately be missed.

Kaioto - Buddy, I KNOW how this fandom can grate on a person. I live it every day. No matter what you do, SOMEONE is going to see you as the villian. Even Greg Weisman is going through this right now. Hang in there kiddo... Don't let what others have to say about you sway you from what you know is right and just. ::MANY HUGS::

GSide - The doujinshi is RAW. I don't like em translated... takes the fun out of trying to translate them myself! ... not that there are many words to it... Lots of nice pics. I am sure 1/2 the people in this room would have a heart attack over it.
CrzyDemona - [crzy_demona@art-chicks.com]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:48:08 AM
IP: 1cust211.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Well, isn't this peachy. I guess we all knew this was coming. I hope a certain individual is pleased with himself... oh I'll just say it, I hope Pistoff is pleased with himself. He's won, he's virtually destroyed this place, I guess that was his intention all along. This place was doing much better until he came back.

I'm still on the TGS Staff so for now, unless major changes are made and this place, and a few old-timers like Doug and Kit come back, I'll only be posting here on official TGS business, or to answer any questions on stories.

But that is not likely as the only people who ever talked about TGS are gone now it seems. But this place ceased being the TGS Comment Room long ago, and turned into the "Gargoyles: Off-Topic" Comment Room.

I'll still be lurking on occasion, so until this place changes for the better, this is good-bye.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:41:11 AM
IP: dialin-68-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

geesh almighty!

I'll admit that I enjoy a good heated discussion/debate and even a personal jab or two taken - but this is ridiculous.
No, I don't believe that if we all close our eyes and keep our opinions to ourselves it will all go away and everything will smell like roses. It NEEDS to be aired out and hopefully things will work out in the long run. However, when the situation turns to badgering - yes, SJ, I'm referring to you right now - then take that to email.
I understand the point you were trying to make with Doug - but it became a point of badgering. If you wanted to discuss the issues, then discuss them here... if you wanted to discuss personal behavioral traits, then take it to email. You should have given Doug that respect. What value or purpose did badgering him or pointing out what you considered weak areas in his personality bring to the conversation? Absolutely NONE.
It went beyond just “pointing out the truth” “encouraging him to take a stand” or whatever else you want to call it. I was very disappointed in the way that you approached this.
You have made some very valid points in other areas. There has been a distinct bias in the way situations have been handled in the past. The example that you’ve been using of “Christine –vs- Fred”….. yes, there has been a definite bias in favoring Christine. This has been for a various amount of reasons, though. (IMO) First, she’s ummm…. Older. ;) (sorry Christine) *chuckles*
That in itself usually creates a level of respect. Also, look at the “reputation” that each has… Christine is not known for her anger, rage, etc. Fred is. It doesn’t mean that Christine is more “right” than Fred – she’s just going to be perceived and handled in a more sensitive manner than Fred is going to be. That’s just the way it happens. Doesn’t make it right or wrong, it just happens. Doesn’t make her necessarily more popular either. If Christine came into CR and a made vulgar, outrageous and hostile post – what would be the reaction of most others? Shock? Surprise? *nods* But if Fred does the same – what would be the reaction? Nothing… they expect it from him. How many flame wars or controversial issues has Christine started? How many has Fred started? See my point? We reap what we sow.

Firestorm> I didn’t find it uncomfortable to come into this room…. There are going to be differences, there’s going to be squabbles, etc. No matter how much anyone likes to think that they are escaping the real world, there is no such thing – short of death. We can make things as pleasant as possible in here, but the “human” side of us will eventually creep in. The key is to be able to respect each other and opinions of others. It’s also important to agree to disagree if a solution is not available.
As far as the possible 3 solutions that you and LM came up with... well, to keep this room to strictly topics, no personal stuff, etc... boring! ;)

Shadowrider> You are no way responsible for what has happened, now or last year. You simply made a statement and other people took it from there. I happen to disagree with your opinion of fanfic – but chose not to make it a big issue.
I’m in agreement with you as far as the frequency I will continue in here….

I’m deeply saddened that Kit and Doug have left. They brought intelligence, insight, humor and compassion to this room. My first reaction was to leave as well… but I reserve that right for a later date. I always looked forward to seeing their posts.. hell, they are about the only ones who ever responded to anything that I’ve ever said in here. I don’t blame them for leaving. *sais* Considering the badgering that they’ve received this past week or so, they stayed longer than I would have.
Doug spoke from his heart and instead of taking that into consideration and _listening_ to what he had to say, it was used to beat him over the head with it and point out “flaws” that he was perceived to have.

I will miss Kit and Doug terribly.

If you have a different opinion or viewpoint of someone else in here – that’s fine. I enjoy reading each person’s POV. Sometimes I chuckle or snicker when a slight personal jab is taken… but to take it this level is absurd. When it becomes more than what needs or wants to be said beyond a word or two (personal jabs) – at least give that person enough respect to take it to the privacy of email and not drag them thru the mud in public. Ironic that we discussed bullies and yet no one seemed to mind when that was happening here….

Fred> for the record… Denis was not aware that you were gone, so the “timing” of his post had nothing to do with that. You’re not the only one here with feelings that can become hurt, you know. While I do appreciate your explanation and apology… your apology was like: “I apologize, but….” Anyway, that’s not the subject at hand right now.
I assure you that just because people don’t necessarily agree 110% with everything that you say, that does NOT mean that they are your enemies, out to get you, play favoritism with others, etc. It just means that you don’t agree on something. What a boring world we would live in if we all agreed on everything. Just because some people can see merits in BOTH sides of an argument doesn’t mean that they are taking sides with the other person… how would any conflict ever be solved if someone didn’t see merits on both sides?
I understand what you are saying about all of this… you ARE entitled to your opinion, but so are they!! You want to be able to state your opinion and yet if someone disagrees with you, then you call them sick in the head? If you want people to accept and respect your right to have this opinion, then you have to extend them the same courtesy. Several people have stated that they even though they don’t agree with the content of such fanfics mentioned earlier, they do however agree that it is the rights of the authors to print it. How can you disagree with this? Just because you feel the way you do, does not make it right for someone else. They may not see anything wrong with porn/erotic writings. It’s personal tastes and interest. I agree 300% that rape is never a desired event and it’s sickening to even consider that it be told as if it was – no matter what the circumstances are… real life, dreams, fanfics, etc. I think that anyone who considers it to desirable, a turn on, whatever has a screw loose somewhere – but geesh, Fred….
I think that about several other “behaviors” as well. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to beat a dead horse over it either. I’m not going to attack the people who do like it. I simply choose not to support such writings by not reading it. I wouldn’t buy it if it was for sale on a bookshelf. I have stated my personal opinion about it and that’s the end of it, as far as I’m concerned.
As you and I have talked before… there are times when you can hate the behavior, not the person.
I agree with most of what you say – as I do with SJ… sometimes it’s the method in which ya’ll use that is somewhat disheartening. Your message is lost and clouded with anger or personal attacks.

SJ again> I love ya’ man…. But I could really kick you in the shins right now. ;p

Damn… no more discussions about the show, “The District” =\ Ok, fine.. now someone else has to start watching it so that I can discuss it with them! ;p~
I finally find a mutual show that someone else’s watches and they leave…

Josh> I found no offense in your statement about women drivers. ;) It’s hard to find offense when you speak an element of truth. *L* I may have the desire to defend certain statements or stereotypes, but offended? Nawww
BTW, do you watch “The District” ? ;) How long will you be home? *forgot* I have a bad memory sometimes =\

13 weeks and 5 days until the Gathering =)

Jannie
Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:39:12 AM
IP: 220.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

*sigh* Well, Doug and Kit have left, thanks to another flame war. I've been keeping out of this one, but I do feel more than a little saddened that things have degenerated like this. I really fear for the future of this comment room, if history keeps on repeating itself here.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 24, 2001 07:03:48 AM
IP: 216.87.46.151.dialup-stl.primary.net

So. It's happened. Two people I came to consider true friends, two people who have been here since the very foundation of this CR, according to what I've seen in the Archive, have left this place.
Now, according to what I've read, everything that happened was just a prosecution a discussion started more than one year ago, on some comments appeared here regarding a fanfic. Please, let me state a fact: it was not Kit, or Doug, or SJ, or anyone else who started that. It was ME! I was on-line since a few weeks at that time, and I still didn't know well the rules of this place. I made some comments ot "adult" nature about "Mistress of Dreams" by Madame Destine (BTW, it STILL think it is a damn good story...anyone wanting to pass judgement on ME about this?) and I caused a whole mess into this CR. And, now, still the consequences are being paid. If I had known one year ago what was going to happen, for sure I had never written what I did...but, now, it is too late, isn't it? What I cannot understand is: if I was the cause of this, then why others had to pay consequences for it? the only explanation that comes in my mind, is that all the mess about this fanfic was just a mere excuse for personal attacks...but pass over it, I really feel no desire to face this topic right now.
For sure, when I return home from the service, I need everything except this...but, again, pass over it. So, the facts are that Kit and Doug have left. Probably someone will celebrate (silently, naturally...), while I feel tired and empty. Really, this Room has left most of its pleasantness now, and actually the only thing that keeps me here are the friends I still have here. I still don't know what I will do...if I will follow Doug and Kit or no, but for sure, I will not post so often as before. For now, it is all.

SJ:> <<But Shadowrider brings up an interesting point...>> Just to clarify my point: I always feel sorry when someone decides, for any reason, to leave this CR. But, there are persons here I feel closer to which than to others. And, even if I usually consider everyone as a friend, as long as he/she doesn't show me the opposite, with behavior or intentions, there are people into here I really don't care about. It is unavoidable, I suppose: do you maybe consider, for example, all of your coworkers as friends? So, no surprise that I feel the need to support some people more than others.
On another topic: your point seem, according to what I understood of your posts (and, please, correct me if I'm wrong), to be that everyone here would be supposed to say exactly what he thinks about anyone and anything, no matter if so other could be offenced. Sorry, I cannot agree. Apart for the fact that, personally, I always try, in anything, to find a compromise between the different points (I personally believe that extremism is always a mistake: how can you develop yourself and grow, if you are so sure of what you say that you refuse any confrontation), and for the fact that there are topics I usually don't like to discuss here for various reasons (politics, for example), doing as you propose would be not only useless, but eventually negative. Simply, there are topics you cannot discuss with some people, for the simple fact they will never change their minds, no matter what you say. Start a discussion in these conditions, and you'll just obtain a flame war. So, I think, it is very better not to start the discussion at all: this way everyone will keep his precious opinions and everyone around will not find himself involved in a flaming. I happen very often, for example, to find in your comments things I consider too extremist, or unpleasant...and, a couple of times, even insultant. But, I knew anything I could say was not going to make you change your opinion, so I simply passed over it, with a bit of irony if needed. Am I coward? Maybe...or, maybe, I simply prefer to avoid an unnecessary fight.
Oh, naturally, what I've said above is valid only if you DON'T like to see this Room in a continued state of war, with people insulting each other or leaving the CR, and the others trying to keep themselves sheltered...in the opposite case, well, I just wasted some time of my licence. Anyway.

Kit & Doug:> Please check your mail in a short time.

Niamhgold:> Heyya! Well, I'll eagerly wait for your post...I really need to see it.

Winterwolf & Emambu:> Friends, are you around? Oh, Winterwolf, Happy Belated Birthday!

Gside:> Thanks for welcoming me back!

Fire Storm:> Indeed, Kira was very well loved, by almost everyone in my Battery...she always seemed happy, and we all will remember her.

All for now.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, March 24, 2001 06:25:46 AM
IP: h255-22-179.mi2.albacom.net

Well, I'm posting now from LA. And what the hell is going on? People are still yelling, arguing, and even GASP leaving. Why can't we just all be friends? In any group of friends, there is someone who says things just to set off fireworks. We're all here because we love gargoyles. Shouldn't a single common interest be enough to keep us together? I mean, where else can we find this kind of environment?

Is it just me or did posting increase 10-fold when we were told there wouldn't be a wipe this week?

Despite whatever is going on, I refuse to believe there is a deep down hatred. I do, however, believe there is a love of arguing and conflict in this room (more by some than others). I really hope no one in here hates anyone else in here. That kind of behavior is just not acceptable. Now, because of it, two people that I consider my friends (despite having known them for only a few weeks) are leaving. That hurts me, and I know it hurts other people in this room, not to mention the people who are leaving. I'm actually crying a bit at this. Was all of this pain worth telling someone that you think they're a pussy? I certainly don't think so.

Daniel: <<What kind of Mac user are you>>: A new mac user (2 years this august, think I should celebrate with a new TiBook?).

Beth H: <<had sex for 2 1/2 hours>>: Good, you didn't do anything I wouldn't do (like only have sex for 20 minutes). LOL. Glad you had fun on your date. Pretty soon I'm gonna be the only single one left in here...sweeeeet.

SJ: No offense taken at being used as an example. Just wanted to point out that your example wasn't entirely accurate. Don't worry, I understood completely where you were going with it, I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't exactly one of those people. But I truly believe that if you stop talking to Doug about this, he will stop talking to you about it, because that's the kind of person I think Doug is (from what I've seen in the short time I've been here). And "lets drop it and never talk about it again" is a good way to get rid of flame wars in here. We ARE all SUPPOSED to be friends, remember?

FS: I think you've drawn a line between flame-war and debate that is a bit misplaced. I've seen many discussions in here that didn't become flame wars. The whole "women drivers" thing is a good example. I'll be honest, as soon as I posted that I said "oh fsck! This is gonna totally start a flame war!" I mean, what could be more offensive than not only saying that women were shitty drivers, but also offering "proof". Nonetheless, there was no flame war. Even better, the females in this room do not think I'm a terrible person (at least, not because of THAT). We managed to have an intelligent discussion where all views and counter-evidence were presented.

CR stuff (FS): The fact that the readers are "demanding" more might be an indication that the TGS stories *need* more. Its not that we don't respect the writers or the staff members. I think its fair to say that everyone in here appreciates the time and effort they put in. But that doesn't mean that TGS site is perfect. We'd like to see changes. I don't think its unreasonable to ask for such changes. I am one of those people with all the time in the world (Engineering just doesn't keep me busy enough). But I really do appreciate all the effort that goes into this stuff. My roommate was the webmaster for Radialogic and Prosoft Engineering, and I've watched as he's poured entire weeks into sites, often including days without sleep. Forget fandom. MILLIONS of people see that site. Or how about programming? He's got hundreds of thousands of people all e-mailing him with stupid suggestions for his program from "make it for PC" (yeah right, when pigs fly) to "add a button that does this". Like its not enough that the program is a part of him, his brainchild, the thing that he is most proud of in the world. Believe me, I understand what it means to be criticized for your work, even just by watching it happen to my best friend. If "the TGS staff" popped into CR to say "screw you guys, we're going home, all this is over," we'd be pissed. And that would be it. All we can do is ask for stuff, and we know it.

Kai quit?!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
LOS ANGELES!!!, CA, US of A
Saturday, March 24, 2001 04:09:50 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-153.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Doug - Actually, I haven't made a point yet. When I posted, I was still trying to figure out what was REALLY going on. Thankfully, SJ has posted now and (it seems) ISN'T ready to tear my head off for calling him Sancho.

Speaking of which, apologies to Fred and SJ for that little sideline; I was feeling rather crotchety and sarcastic at the time. Also, an apology for my choice of exiting tunes. It was a bad morning. : P

SJ - Thank you for the explanation. Maybe now this can get to be something more than just screaming in the dark. One thing though.
<<This sort of ties in with what Gunjack was saying about the attitude of the CR in general.>> This is seriously starting to weird me out. Both sides are telling me I made a good point, but I DIDN'T!! I didn't say anything! I made a grouchy, cynical post, and I posted a quote of what YOU said during the last flame war. That's it! All I did was ask a question! What the HIFL are you people all staring at me for!? GET AWAY FROM ME, YOU DAMN DIRTY APES!!!! AAAAAAGHH!!!

*ahem* ; )

*writes a bit more, and then sees the posts by Doug & Kit, Firestorm, and LM. Loses most of his mirth.*

Oh bloody heck. It's like a friggin' see-saw.

*writes a bit more, and then decides it'd be better to send via Email than to light more fires*

I'm depressed and blasted. I spent all day (in the words of the poet) "Swimming in crap and looking for dead things". My personal life has been notably angst-ridden, with one shining, spectacular exception. I'm going to bed now.

*stumbles out, and resists the urge to give the entire world the bird*
Gunjack "Supposed Idiot" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 03:42:30 AM
IP: 216-146-183-132.bwn.net

*** PLEA ***

I may not express my ideas and feelings very well tonight due to many differing factors... one being that I'm just too tired to think clearly and completely.

After reflecting on the current state of affairs involved with this CR and its history, I fear for and pity this board and all people involved -- from all the members of the TGS staff (past and present) to people a part of this community, especially people who have put time and effort into making this board possible and function as a means for Gargoyles fans to communicate.

If you want me to elaborate I will do so. Possibly in here, but unfortunately due to current events it may have to be taken up via email instead.

In every crevice of the internet there is a social ladder, a community, an individual... Not unlike the world outside the 'net. But that also means it functions that way as well. You can never totally get away from the "real world." And if anything, the internet is just another society individuals wish to get refuge from as well.

Some people seem to be maintaining the role this CR was intended for, or at least attempting to. That gives me hope.

I will not share my feelings about the topics discussed in this current flame, nor will I discuss my opinions on past events related to this. All I will do is this: Ask a question. You decide its value -- to you and to this place as a comment room and a community, an extension of The Gargoyles Saga, an element of the Gargoyles fandom -- something you are a part of and that has become a part of you...

What do YOU want this room to be and become?

And remember the value of your response. If your response has any degree of worth to you, please take into account the reason you have attended this CR and the reason why this board was made. Work at making it what you know it SHOULD be. And always know your responsibility.

Simply put: You are a part of this room, you make it what it is. There's a lot of responsibility in that and as long as you contribute to this community (no matter what form it may be in) you are entitled to uphold it.

*** / PLEA ***
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Saturday, March 24, 2001 03:11:27 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

SJ: <reads over comments> Thank you for making it clear how you believe this room is. After much long hard thought, we have decided we can see your points. We have also decided that you may be right, you may be wrong, but we'll never have a chance to find out. Why? Because no one's gonna respond to your dumb little challenge. We're not the kind of people who will launch tirades of hate just to test the waters. Besides, you may be right, it would barely be noticed, possibly even supported. You probably want that to happen, even if it didn't and we got banned I'm confident you'd feel better. You're trying to create a win-win situation for yourself at the expense of others. Don't try to deny it, look back at your words. If you can't at least understand why we have come to believe this, you must really have your head crammed up where the sun don't shine.

If you are right, though, and there's a good chance you are, then this place has become a place Kit and I do not want to stay in. :(

Everyone- Kit and I have decided we are fed up with this whole mess. So fed up we have decided we don't want to take it anymore. It is impossible to resolve it, in here or in e-mail. No side will make concessions, no compromise is possible- never mind that I have been trying to effect one these past few days. Kit and I also know that Kaioto is not going to intervene in this discussion, no matter how much people seem to expect it. Several days ago Kit talked with him on AOL IM, and he said he didn't have the patience for this room anymore, he had put its affairs behind him for all the foreseeable future. We have kept silent about this knowledge up until now because we believed it would benefit the CR for people to believe his threat was still there. Now we believe the opposite. Someone needs to tell the room that we can not cop out of this and wait for Kaioto to shout us down. Nor can we create a situation that we think will provoke him into burying it all once again for us. He's stepped outside the room, he doesn't care anymore. Kit and I have decided we don't either, so we are going to depart and let anyone who remains in here who does still care handle things. If it is possible.

This used to be our favorite place. Our Arcadia, our Cheers, our Sawataneo. We used to come here for friendship, for honest and fair discussion, for acceptance from all people and the ability to have time well spent. That is no longer possible in here. This room has changed, many people we liked spending time in here have left by choice or otherwise. We understand their reasons, and we have decided it's time for us to leave too. We no longer feel comfortable in here, maybe we feel welcome but we are not comfortable, and for us that is what counts. No one is to blame for this decision, the environment we have allowed this place to become is the reason and the only one.

We still value many of you as friends, and we want you to know we will still be around, reading the TGS episodes and fanfic, on AOL IM now and then, and replying to any e-mails sent us at DougElder21@yahoo.com or frostfire@mail.utexas.edu. Unless the e-mails are from people seeking to continue this conflict that is such a clear expression of why we don't want to be in here anymore. Those will be deleted and ignored.

We will not be lurking in this room, we will no longer be posting. I don't know if we will ever change our minds, I can't say. Maybe if the room could go back to the way it was before somehow, we would, but that is impossible. "You can't go back, you're going to the new place." This new place is one Kit and I have decided we don't like. So we're vacating it. The conversation threads we've started y'all can resolve among yourselves. As for the RP, well, the ending was intended to be thus- Thailog in prison, all the other villains dead somehow, all but three of the Ravens (you guess which three) alive and well and riding off into the sunset. Pretty obvious, huh? If anyone wants to contact us for any reason, I gave the methods above, but please don't expect or try to change our minds about the decision we've made. We're sick and tired, we're fed up, we're backing out. We're serious about this, and we're not doing it for attention. So farewell, friends, I wish we could have remained happy together in this place. Oh well. <Doug and Kit exchange sighs, then mount up on the Road Moccasin and roar out of the room, running over DC on the way and killing him one last time>

Goodbye.
Doug & Kit
Saturday, March 24, 2001 03:01:44 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.27.dlls.grid.net

First, let me say this: I am not the administrator, nor do I claim to be one.

*WARNING! FLAME WAR STUFF!*
(The opinions expressed in this are NOT those of the TGS staff. Any arguments to this (flames), please direct to e-mail)

Ok, this is going too far.

These flame wars have GOT to stop!

In this CR we are in a near constant state of flame war.
This is NOT a war zone.
This is supposed to be a comment room where we discuss TGS and various other Gargoyles themes with our friends.

This used to be a place where people could come to get away from the real world.
But now this place is no haven. Yes, people can find a moments peace, but people can also find peace in the middle of a war.
And that is NOT the kind of peace that makes a place enjoyable.

How many people in here have ever watched COPS/Real stories of the highway patrol/ETC?
Remember how the cops complain that they are going out to a house for a fight?
And how the cops complain that they ALWAYS come to this house on a fight complaint?
And those people never want to press charges or have the cops do anything?
Remember how pathetic those people seem?
Constantly fighting, and their fights are probably over things that are FAR more important than the arguments that happen in this CR!

To be quite honest, I can see why this CR has stopped becoming enjoyable for many posters.

I cannot name another Gargoyles-based forum where this many posters have left or claimed that they are considering leaving due to all the negative things and problems that are in this CR.
I think that everyone who starts or at least contributes to these flame wars and problems should be ASHAMED of themselves.

Lady Mystic and I were talking about this, and we see a few ways that can stop these STUPID flame wars once and for all:
1. End this CR for good.
2. Topics. STRICT topics. And no drifting. No personal discussions. Period.
3. Take these flame wars out of this room FOR GOOD.

It is safe to say that #1 is undesirable.
#2 can be done, but I say as a second to last resort.
Which brings me to #3.

To Doug and Pistoff: What about an ezboard type of CR for flame wars? That way flames can be taken out of this CR and still be in a public forum.
I understand that you both would like everyone to know what is being said, but this is NOT the correct forum for this. It was not designed, not intended and frankly not wanted in this CR.
Unlike RP, it is near impossible to have a sensible discussion in this CR with a flame war going on.
If desired, I will set it up and it will be mostly un-monitored.

About Kaioto: Look, he tried his best to be impartial. I admire him for trying to maintain order in the war zone this place has become.
But he grew sick and tired of all these flame wars too.
And nobody listened to him.He was a co-ADMINISTRATOR, and no one listened to him or followed his orders.
If he will let me, I will quote his e-mail to Robby and me saying he quit.

Shall I go back and count how many other GOOD posters we have lost because of these juvenile flame wars?
At LEAST 12 good posters that came into this CR for the sole reason to talk to other people who love gargoyles.
And what happened to them? They felt so disgusted with how this CR was that they decided that their life would be better if they were not in here.
Some people have said that this CR has made their life better.
But nearly everyone who left this CR has said that their lives would be better off without putting up with this CR.

I am not asking for everyone to just be friends, because I know that is now impossible.
It is impossible to stop flame wars all together. Many people are very comfortable with each other and we all know each other, from flaws to good points, very well. It is like comparing family to co-workers. It is easy to get along with co-workers because you don't know much about each other, but it is difficult to get along with family because you know each other's flaws.

But do we need to argue about these points? No.
Can the arguing be stopped all together? Unfortunately, no.

If we cannot stop arguing all together, can we at least keep flame wars out of this CR? We don't need them in here. We do NOT need to lose any more posters because of this.

*END FLAME WAR STUFF!*

*CR RANT!*

In addition, look at what we have become!
It used to be that when discussing TGS stories, people would say "Wow! What great work! I can't wait to see what is next!"
It used to be when new pictures were added people would say "Cool! New pictures!"

Now look at what we have become!
"The story is too short!"
"Why isn't there more pictures?"
"I am tired of waiting for new seasons!"
"Where is the CR archive? I can't find it!"
"I want to post with my own picture!"
"When are there going to be more pictures for the cr?"

The way the administrators manage this room is not right.
The way the TGS staff handles stories isn't acceptable.
There isn't enough pictures in the stories.
There should be more features for this CR.

When it comes to this, people tend to forget that NO ONE gets paid for this.
They can't use it on their resume.
They have to put in their own time.
They have to pay for expenses related to their TGS work.
AND they have to deal with people that judge and critique their work even before it is published.
Then, on top of all that, the people who they made this for decide that "Why can't there be more?" "It was too short." "You are doing a bad job"
Etc, etc.

People outside of the TGS staff have absolutely NO idea how much time is put into this. There are probably people on the staff that work so hard keeping TGS together that they have no time to actually READ the stories or post in the CRs where there are discussions on their work.

Then there are people with LOADS of free time on their hands, able to read all of the CRs and all of the stories. They have all the time in the world, so they don't appreciate it when other people put a lot of time and effort into something.

Lady Mystic and I had NO idea how much time and effort was involved with keeping up a site on a weekly basis until we took up the job of managing the TGS CR info pages.
We like what we do. And it is a lot of work. Quite frankly, some seemingly simple changes can take up an entire day due to unseen complexities.

Example: If a new section is added, LM has to go though every single page to hand code that link into each and every page. Sometimes there are big changes, some times they are little changes. But quite often, aside from updating the CR archive, it can take up quite a few hours of her time. Now, that would be fine, but like many other people, we have a life! There are many interruptions like:
"Take a look at this bill"
"Lets make dinner"
"Can you look at this for me?"
"I need help on my homework"
<CRASH> AND/OR <BOOM> "#$^&! OW! OW! OW!"
And there are people who write fan-fic that may say "I know what you go though. I write/have my own website too!" Yes, that is true, but YOU are your final judge. But with the TGS staff, you have to please not only yourself and your "coworkers," but also an entire fandom! AND stuff for TGS has to follow certain criteria and conformity.

My point is that the TGS staff go though a lot, put a lot of time into this long term project, and, quite frankly, their work is largely thankless. And even then, for quite a few people, everything the staff does is not enough.

I am not asking for undying praise. I am not saying to brown-nose/kiss-ass/suck-up to the TGS staff.
Just give them some respect, ok?

It is a miracle that there is even a TGS staff.

*END RANT!*

Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 02:53:16 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

I wanted to say a few things before potentially this discussion gets shut down.

Doug: Fair enough, I will attempt to give you honest answers to your questions.

First off, I don't know if it's entirely accurate to say that I forced you to conform to my idea of courage by making you state you true feelings. Ultimately, I can't make you do anything. You could have told me to stick it, or chosen to ignore me, and that would have been fine. Instead, you did post how you really felt, and whether or not you think it was a wonderful thing to do, I did appreciate it.
Truthfully, I appreciate honesty, and I often like it when people stop dancing around an issue and say how they really feel. If someone were to say to me, "Well, you don't really want to know how I feel about you.", that would only make me WANT to know *exactly* how they felt about me. To me, it's better to be open and direct in such a situation. Yes, the potential (or the probability) of pain or unease is greater that way, and people might be hurt. Personally, I weigh the pain of revelation against the uncertainty that comes with not knowing how someone truly feels. And I'll take the revelation almost every time. Some people do not want to know the true feelings of another if its painful, but I would rather have it if its honestly how they feel. I'm not sure if I can accurately describe it with words. If you were to tell me, "you don't really want to know how I feel about you", I WOULD rather know. To me, I would rather have someone tell me their true feelings, even if they are negative, than for someone to give me lip service just to spare my feelings or ego. It's hard to describe. It's like, if someone tells me their true feelings, even if it's bad, than I'm on the same page with them. The openness appeals to me. I don't really know if I can trust someone's opinion if I know they are holding back and not being completely honest with me. I'll use Josh as an example. He and I have totally different views on CTHD, but it's cool with me, because I know where he stands. That's a rather silly example, I know, but that's just off the top of my head. So when you say something like "I'm going to take the middle ground, because some people would not like my true feelings on the situation", than that does drive me a little nuts, because I think it would be better to be open and honest. That's my belief, and I'm sure that I'm in the minority there.
So did I put pressure on you to "conform", as you say, to my ideal? Yes, that would be accurate, but pressure is different than me forcing you to do it. But I don't think I forced you to do anything, nor could I even if I wanted to. And that's not a copout on my part, that's not me saying "it's your fault, Doug". It's just that you really don't owe me anything. You could have chosen to ignore me, or told me to screw off. Or simply said "I'd rather not" (repeatedly so it would get through my thick skull). You didn't though, and I appreciate your honesty, even though what you said may have been unpleasant.

As for the value of your opinion, I wrote what I did to say that, in Fred's view, he does not need to have his eyes opened, as you said. To use the buzz words of the moment, "personal opinion", it is his "personal opinion" that he does not need anyone to lecture him as to what he should say or how he should say it. I can not truly speak for him, but as to your opinion, I do not know if it holds much water with him.
As for my opinion of your opinion.....to contine being honesty, I don't really know how I feel about your opinion. I'm sorry, but you often send conflicting messages (at least they are conflicting to me). Whether you mean to or not, it is my perception that you often send out mixed signals. It appears, at least to me (and I believe so with Fred, as he has commented before), that you will agree with 2 completely different sides of view in a way that it does not seem as if you are embracing the merits of both sides but rather you are accepting the complete arguments of both sides. I'm not asking you be so utterly black and white, as Bishansky would have you to believe, it's just that when one takes the middle ground, as you have said, I personally don't know where your true values lie. Again, I would think that Fred feels the same way. One minute it appears as if you are agreeing if not supporting him, and the next you are saying he's a hypocrite. That doesn't necessarily breed love between the two of you. If you take an objective approach to this, you could see how he would feel. How would you respond to someone who says that they agree with you (at least to an extent), and then a couple of paragraphs later they are calling you a hypocrite? Maybe I'm not socially competent enough to know the exact answer, but I would certainly question which opinion was the valid one. If you were to say that both were valid, I would question whether it was possible to have both such conflicting views at once.
So, I'm not sure if this answers your question or not.

As for why I'm doing this...
First off, I would please ask you not to say that my posts are more "intelligent" than Fred's. That is not the case, really. The difference between Fred and I is that Fred is more open with his posts in the sense that he will readily express his emotions. What he says comes from his heart and deep inside of him, which I'm not sure helps if you feel that what he says wrong or inflammatory. Fred will tell you exactly how he feels, which, I would suppose whom you ask, is an admirable trait. That is not to say that I do not express how I truly feel, but I would probably classify myself as more of a passive-aggressive smartass (or asshole, depending upon whom you ask). I would not say that what I write is more intelligent than what Fred writes, it's just that I take a certain obscene glee in making my rants as smartassy as possible. I wouldn't say that makes me more intelligent, just a bigger smartass.
Yes, I do know the consequences of what I write. And Fred knows the consequences of what he writes as well. It's not that I'm trying my best to "damage friendships" or put my place in the CR in jeopardy. I've been talking about how I feel about certain issues in this room. I'm very passionate about this issue, because I care about it. If that hurts "innocents" who are not involved, I'm sorry, that is not my intention. It's not Fred's either, actually. It's not like either of us are going "I disagree with this, and this, and this person, and oh yeah, lain and Coyote can go f*** themselves!!!" (sorry guys, you were just part of the example, forgive me for using you). We can all agree that there are principals involved, and I don't think either side is involving other people. I do have strong views on the issues currently being discussed (debated? argued? flamed?), as does Fred. Yes, I care about people, and honestly Fred does too. I know you do not think that is the case, and in some way perhaps that is not apparent, but it's not as if Fred hates everybody in here and wants to enrage everyone or has a problem with everyone. That's just not the case. As for me (or both of us) damaging our place in the room.....I'm sorry, but I don't know what I can do other than say how I feel about certain issues being dealt with. If I got banned for it (or even if Fred does) I would feel that it'd be a bit of a joke, but I would rather express how I feel than have to keep silent. If this damages my place in here, relationships or otherwise, than I'm sorry, but in my eyes, perhaps it is an appropriate sacrifice if the ultimate result is to accurately express how I feel. I'm not saying it's a pleasant sacrifice, and it's certainly not a "noble" one, but it's one that I would probably have to make.

Now I am going to speak for Fred here....and I hope that what I say is how he truly feels, because it's how I believe that he truly feels, so I hope that he does not get upset over what I have to say, because I mean no harm. Fred does not believe that his opinions are the be-all, end-all of everything. Fred's complaint is that, when his opinion is compared to the opinion of certain people in the CR (and I'll get into this in a brief moment), than there is a history of his views being considered inconsequential or at the very least not worth as much as the other person. Doug, this is why I said that if you truly believe that his opinion on the recent (or old) issues at hand have at least SOME merit, than that is something of a remarkable major breakthrough. No sarcasm at all. I'll get into this in a minute, but Fred (and essentially myself as well) feels that when the chips are down, his point of view will not be given the same respect or given the same value as that of others. And I do not think this belief is not grounded on fact. I would argue that it is irrelevant whether or not you find his opinions offensive or not; if one is to follow the "all opinions have value" ideal, than that should not matter. Fred feels, and I do not think that this belief is one that should automatically be discredited, that ultimately his opinions on matters (say, erotica) will be ignored or not appreciated because they may be unpopular, or at least they may be opposed to views held by the more illustrious or revered members of the fandom, which automatically eliminates them from consideration by many people. If you feel that this is a misconception, than perhaps that is what should bear the brunt of your criticism.
And if you feel that Fred really believes that his opinion is worth more than the opinion of "the other side" (say the pro-erotica people, for example), well I would argue two points: one, that even if one tries to be objective and respect all points of view, you will always place more credence to your own opinion than the opinions of those with a dissenting p.o.v., no matter how slight that credence; and two, at this point I suppose we could all agree that relationships are so frayed on both sides that a reconciliation or a compromise is virtually unobtainable, so I doubt either side will make any concession to the other.

The Christine "Challenge": While I was somewhat serious in my "challenge" for Christine to get all offensive and surly like (I'm sure some could say it was me trying to bring her "down to my level"), the situation that I presented was more of a hypothetical one. If, randomly, you had, within the span of say, a day, both Christine and Fred post "offensive" remarks about a subject than I believe that Fred would get the brunt of the criticism from "The Man", aka The Troll, aka Administration, because he is just Fred "Pistoff" Kerns, and she is THE CHRISTINE MORGAN, Queen of Gargoyle Fan Fiction (it's irrelevant whether that is the title or distinction that she has given herself, or whether people give it to her themselves, that is how she is perceived by a majority of the fandom). I envision 2 situations: Christine and Fred post "offensive" remarks about 2 completely separate subjects, or they post "offensive" remarks about the same subject (irrelevant whether they agree on the subject or have dissenting opinions, the point is they'd both be posting "offensive" remarks). Either way, I think Fred would come out on the bitter end of either situation. They could be posting about 2 completely different subjects, and I honestly think Christine would be given the benefit of the doubt (and would be largely free from any serious reciprocity, thanks in part to our "biased" administrator, but more on that in a minute) due to her position in the fandom. Do not tell me that that is not necessarily the case, because even if you write all this down as personal opinion on my end, I still think that those would be the circumstances if this ever happened. In the end, it IS a popularity contest. I don't believe that a great many people would rebuke her for saying anything offensive, I don't even believe a good or significant number of people would rebuke her. I think most people would just turn a blind eye, because she is who she is. It's hero worship. Status counts for a lot, evidently, in the fandom.
And before someone posts about this all being sour grapes or jealousy over who is popular and who is not, it's not about that. I doubt Fred cries endless rivers of tears because he's not considered a god in the fandom. What I am talking about is a perceived unfairness in this CR. Some people are given more consideration than others based upon popularity / status. No, this is not a fair or perfect world, but I would suppose the goal of this CR is to strive for fairness. This sort of ties in with what Gunjack was saying about the attitude of the CR in general. And the attitude of "If that's the case, what can you really do about it?" is not productive. You can not set any one person, or group of people, upon a pedestal, and NOT expect that they will be given preferential treatment to the exclusion of others in the fandom. If you honestly think that problems like this would not occur, than I feel you are mistaken.
You can chalk this down to my own personal opinion, or as to how I perceive things, but this is how I feel.

Our illustiour biased administrator: No, it is not possible for people to be totally unbiased.
However, this CR is very much a small, centralized community. In some ways it's a microcosm of the entire fandom. But I stand by my belief that if an individual has biases against certain people, and also has certain favorites among the people in the CR, and as a result this dictates their behavior towards those parties (i.e. comes down harder, or with more frequency on the one, and ignores the actions of the otehr), than that person, IMO, has NO BUSINESS being the administrator.
I'm sure that Kaioto will disagree that he has favorites or biases against certain people. Again, you can chalk this up as my perceived opinion if doing so pleases you. But, from an independent standpoint, if you can't be as unbiased as you possibly can, I don't think that administration is the place one ought to be.

Josh: Forgive me for using you as an example, I am sorry about that. I should have added that you would not find her above reproach if she did something that you were opposed to. The intent of my using you as an example was to show that, often times (or, IMO, based upon past experience in this CR) hero worship can lead to one ignoring virtually anything bad about the object of affection.
To open a whole other can of worms, take Bill Clinton. I think it's fair to say that, regardless of his presidential record, the guy has done some pretty nasty things. From adultery with Monica to the pardon scandal, he's made some bad decisions. But there are still people in the Demcratic party that will chalk up all criticism against him to "a vast right-wing conspiracy".
If you can muddle through my thinking, that is the point I was trying to make. Those who hero worship are more likely to refuse to believe in the fallibility of their hero. But I do not know you well enough to make such presumptions about you, so I'm sorry.

I would applaud Gunjack for his words though. I said way back when that this CR has a SUPREME problem for ignoring things. A problem arises, and the attitude is "let's drop it and never talk of it again". Hell, that's Kaioto's whole stance.
And when I said that I think the cliques in the fandom were causing the brunt of the problem (and yes, I recognize that I could be considered part of a cliq myself), Kaioto's response was "But if you call for the elimination of cliqs, are you then becoming part of a 'get rid of the cliqs' cliq?" Not the best way to address the issue at hand.
I would agree that until we all take a good hard look at things instead of just dropping them because they are unpleasant, perhaps these things wouldn't fester like they do.

lain: Oh lain, you sweet and loveable little jerk. I do appreciate what you are trying to do, and I love you for it, but you were spared the first go around of this and as such don't really know how deep it all runs. I wish things would work out the way you say they should, but alas this is not a perfect world, and I do not think things could stop even if you wanted them too.
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Saturday, March 24, 2001 02:20:27 AM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Exams are over, problems/lab are handed in. And boy that Principles lab was long. If I don't finish ahead of time, you know something's wrong. And a good bit of it was expanding partial fractions, not even for LaPlace transforms, but just the fractions. If you understood that last bit, you are an engineer.

Fire Storm> <<you find out what burning electronics smells like>>: Ozone. Yes, I am in EE, why do you ask?
<<cultural details about America that people not in America could not or would not understand>>: My existance.
<<Just give Kiki something shiny and she will be happy>>: I just hope it wasn't too sharp. That would make the curse much worse.
<>: And knowing what you know of me, why weren't you before. Though I must say that Ten Yen Piece piece is a better hentai story.

Kitainia> <<[Gubio] declined for reasons that should be obvious>>: I wouldn't mind selling my sould that much. Haven't found much use for it yet.
<<That's the point of playing any game>>: I was referring more to the ease of getting it.
<<And you can actually kill Kraid?>>: I think so, but it's been a while. I think most of the trick is going around grabbing all the out of the way misles and tanks. For some reason, I got stuck at Ridley in Super, though.

Imzadi> <<Shouldn't it be "The Male Fantasy" (all first caps)?>>: I originally wanted to have some adjective after the, but I couldn't come up with anything really good (universal, underlying, ubiquitous). And I think only capitalizing the imparts more of the stress that I was going for.
<<Try EZ CD creator by Roxio (Adaptec)>>: Got 3.5c, and both the software and hardware (Ricoh 7080) are allegedly able to handle large CDs.
<<Thanks for the great quotes!>>: Not a problem. They're all from http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~tfarrell/stupid.shtml Another good one is "I think I inhaled too many narcotics in the lab today." -Eric Wallenstein, BioChemE
<<For one, "mac daddy" would be Steve Jobs >>: So I forgot that mac should have a k.
<<Second, well, come on! It's Lex!>>: Heck yeah. I always like tring to find the engineers (or equivalents) in various media and rooting for them.

Warpmind> <<Ed feeling left out? Ed who?>>: Asner of course. I mean, here Marina is getting all the attention, but he's a guest of honor too, and don't you think he would want to be treated the same?

Sarge> <<mana la muncha ?>>: Man of La Mancha. About Don Quixote. Some good songs, especially I, Don Quixote. Though To Dream the Impossible Dream gets more recognized.
<<Sarcastic, Annoying, Vermonter>>: Ayuh?

Lain> <<Layn rides away on the back of an oversized, chittering, battery-operated weasel>>: But they belong in pants, not under them.

Imzadi> <>: You sure? I'll give you a good price. And you can have the contents for free.

Fire Storm> <<wheres my Aluminum foil hat?>>: faans.com In many stylish fashions.

Ed> <<Well baseball is pretty perplexing to me>>: Fair's fair, you have cricket. That's the problem with such outwardly similar games.
<<the school thing where you have ‘freshmen’ and ‘sophmores’ or whatever other weird names>>: They're freshman because you have to use them before they go bad. Sophmores are wise fools (Soph->sophocles->wise, more->moron->fool). We're not quite sure where they came from, we just use them.
<<No schools apparently have uniforms>>: As long as you don't count Catholic schools.
<<the love of guns>>: Well, we were a country because of a revolution.

Aaron> <<then it's me, not Robby>>: Wheeps. I wasn't really paying attention at the time.
<<Urotoskrotodoji>>: Urotsukidoji. Legend of the Overfiend. Not to be confused with Lord Naughtius.
<<don't get Golden Boy, ‘cause that'll really spoil the mood>>: I am fully convinced he was an idiot. And what was with that toilet fetish? At least there were a good amount of bounciness to make up for it. Anyone want 6 100meg ASFs? Wait, I can't get those out unless
<<see Hudson play the part of Happosai>>: What're they doing with Mousse? Might be interesting to combine the two engineers.
Oh, I am reminded reallifecomics.com is having an Mechwarrior mech go up against an Eva. I'm rooting for Tony.
<<It could also have cosmetic genetics companies out digging up John Holmes' body>>: I'm sure they could figure out some nice things to do with genetic engineering without the need for exhumation.

SOROW> <>: So you don't get as many AP credits. It's not too bad. I messed up on my AP English and survived.
<<Everyone please post a positive thing for the next day or so>>: Well, I whupped my CogSci midterm. And it looks like I just might an internship this summer. I'm the only person being considered, because a woman in one of my classes is married to a guy who is opening a new office on the east coast.

JLA> <>: Translaed or raw?

Lady Mystic> <<the spelling is "manga" but how is it pronounced?>>: I vote like mango, but you really shouldn't ask me.

Todd Jensen> <<what I'd really like to know is where the phrase originally comes from>>: I thought I explained it a couple weeks ago. Just goes to show that no one listens to me. And rightly so.

Daniel Johnson> <<"Somebody set us up the bomb!">>: Set up us.
<<"What you say?">>: Exclamation point. I don't think there waws a question mark in the game. Probably didn't have the space.
<<A Marathon fan, perhaps?>>: Frog blast the vent core?

Welcome back Shadowrider.

Gunjack> <<Green ALL Over>>: Who are you going to get to check?

CtB> <<the source of Mei Hsing's name>>: 3x3 Eyes. I've never seen it, but the clues were too obvious.

And woot, I am caught up again. Hopefully I'll have a lighter workload for the next couple weeks.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, March 24, 2001 01:53:34 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Beth: Your sister's name is also Lisa? Disgrace! :)
Kit
Saturday, March 24, 2001 01:16:46 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.49.dlls.grid.net

*kicks typo demon* His name is _David_. Sheesh, I can't spell what I'm thinking. :P
Beth H.
Saturday, March 24, 2001 01:01:54 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*enters*

Hehehe...I had A LOT of fun on my date. ;) After we watched anime, we went into my room and had sex for 2 1/2 hours. >:)

*waits to see a the entire CR looking at her*

HA! Gotcha! ;) Hehehehehe...

Seriously, we had a lot of fun watching InuYasha for about three hours (roughly). David (that's his name) kinda drooled over my computer (he doesn't have DSL or Micron or a Hitachi 19" monitor). ;) We originally planned to watch more than the first six episodes (that were subbed) but my friend Stephen couldn't burn a CD for me with those past episode 6. We ended up watching what I had already downloaded on to my computer. But that's ok. :) We're going to get more from Stephen next week and watch them together. ;)We also talked about Japanese club and getting the club to revive the idea of taking a trip to Japantown during spring break. Davis is a really big sweety pie.

My sister said she might hit on him too. Hey Lisa, don't you have your own boy toy!?! >:/
Beth H.
Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:15:03 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

XenaTrek: Fear not, I taped the game, and after I get to watch it (I was at work), you'll have first dibs on the tape.

Ravyn: One step closer, girl ... ;) **huggles**

Incidentally ... the side contest has a couple days left. Nothing of true value is the prize, just the satisfaction of figuring it out ... I'm still looking for someone to name the source of Mei Hsing's name. I'll only give one last clue ... last one was that it was from a manga made into an anime. Second (and last) clue ...
The anime has some Gargs connections. If *that* doesn't give it away, nothing will. (And those who've wormed it out of me one way or another can't give the answer ... ;)
Coyote the Bando
Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:12:51 AM
IP: 216.28.101.28

Beth: I too wish you good luck. Have fun! :)

Put me down as another person not just trying for a reaction with her actions in the recent discussion. I tend to think honest expression of feelings and support for the side I feel is right will have better results.
Kit
Friday, March 23, 2001 11:32:39 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.248.dlls.grid.net

<enters, trying to look peaceful but failing because the olive branches wilt when he walks by and the doves fly away screeching>

Beth: Good luck with the date. <who'd want to have sex in a parked car at a burger joint?> Not me, too public a place. :)

Christine: Thanks. Always nice to have a celebrity on my side. I share your stance on public opinion, I don't hate anyone in here and would hate to find out what happened if I started acting like I did. I don't think it would be good, no matter what SJ says. BTW, I'm the same way about chocolate you are about tomatoes. :)

SJ: Can I just ask you three questions please? I've been thinking about what's been going on in here lately all day, and I feel I need clarification from you on some points.

First, why exactly did you feel the need to make me conform to your idea of courage? It should have been obvious to you mine was different. Why couldn't you just live and let live?

Second, how exactly was my words to Fred being my opinion the fatal flaw in my argument? Is my opinion not one to be valued? Do you consider me an incompetent moron, a jerk, or a member of some group to be universally reviled and hated? Please tell me, I'd like to know. Is it because you think my opinion is mine alone (I don't think that's the case) or you think it can be ignored easily just cause it's my opinion? If it's the latter case, well, you've hit the nerve of the exact problem I'm trying to address.

Three, you seem to think you know this CR pretty well. Earlier you said that you are sure two posters will be banned and neither one will be me. I thank you for your confidence, but I must say I wonder who the posters are. By implication, it'd be you and Fred. Now Fred I might be able to understand the banning of, he's said some pretty nasty things and refused to even consider they might have been wrong. He's also not an unbannable fixture in this room like you seem to consider me and Christine. You, though, I also consider an unbannable fixture in here. You've been here since the beginning and I've always liked reading your posts even when I've disagreed with you (that's been rare, and is usually because I hold a less extreme viewpoint about something). Your rants are intelligent and biting, you state your opinion in a way that people can actually understand and agree with- I like that, and I know I'm not the only one. Now, true, I do not like some of your recent actions. Your making me conform to your standard of courage, your daring Christine to yell at and hate people, a few other things. But I think you're capable of apologizing for them, you've been making your opinions and the reasons behind them clear all along. Unlike Fred, who IMHO is just stating his opinion, yelling it's right and every other opinion is wrong, and expecting us to tolerate this attitude implicitly, if not share it. You are being much more intelligent with your posts than him, you have been all along. You're being pretty brave too- I know you're smart enough to know the possible consequences of things you're saying, actions you're taking, and yet you don't seem to care about them. Do you also not care about the friendships and place you've built for yourself in here? I don't think so. And we, or at least I, care about it too, enough not to want to see you banned for being yourself. I can see from your posts that you care about hurting people or not, that's something I want to see in Fred's posts but can't. :( I hope I'm not the only one who notices this feeling coming from you. If you can't notice it, well, maybe that's what you're worried about. Am I making a point with you here?

<sighs> Probably not, but I'm trying anyway. And I'm not trying for the benefit of my ego or anyone else's. This is my idea of friendship, just like making people clearly state their opinions and stand by them no matter what is your idea of courage. I've tried to see Fred's side in this, I really have, and no matter what I just can't agree with it. I tried my best to keep him calm by giving him some support, but now thanks to your actions and his I've had to withdraw even that and instead say what I feel is necessary and right. I wish y'all would just stop looking for words against you and listen to what is really being said, to the intent behind it. I'm telling you it's good. Oh, and about Jewel, I remember jumping to her defense. I remember wanting her to stay. It's been a long time since she was here so I can't recall how many other people did the same, but I think at least some of us did. :) I definitely wouldn't put her in the same class as Aris or Nathans, I agree with Daniel they were antisocial jerks. Jewel was not. And usually neither are you.

Lain, Firestorm, Imzadi, Gunjack: Good points on this discussion, all of you. I agree with Daniel and Imzadi about Kaioto, he has earned my respect and he cannot help having biases. No one can. :( Like Lain, I'm also tired of the senseless banter in here and I don't like that it seems some people need to tear others down in a bad way to feel better about themselves. For the record, I would like to say I am doing my best to try to address what I see as the real problem here and not just yell at people. Nor am I trying for a reaction and a massive flow of attention here, I do not like many of the reactionary comments I've gotten so far and I fully expect taht to continue. :( I'm just trying to air intelligent points, tell friends of mine things I think they need to realize, I'm trying to help others. I don't know why it's so hard to see that. I am doing my best to give people the respect I feel they deserve in every word I say. I'm not lashing out, I'm definitely not gloating about it afterwards. Some people may be, but I am not.

I also think everyone needs to hear my thoughts, and everyone else's thoughts, on this. We can take it to e-mail, yeah, but I honestly believe that will not really resolve anything. We can't just shout it out outside and then come back in here and be civil, this isn't that kind of place. I also want to get other people's takes on the discussion, their opinions, and if they want to give it, their support. These things are the milestones on the road to true resolution of this, I know that I alone can not make the people who I feel need to listen to what I'm saying do it. Thus I'm keeping this in here so I can hopefully get help. Besides, can't we all learn from the mistakes of others and their consequences? Or the opinions of others being freely and intelligently expressed? I believe we can.

And I also believe I have said enough for tonight.
Doug
Friday, March 23, 2001 11:28:41 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.248.dlls.grid.net

** Niamhgold enters and does backflips **

Spring break, aggh, finally! Art schools have such a reputation for burning out the students, but I've got no assignments! I fly outta here tomorrow, at which point I hope to make a large post :) Plus, I just finished up a piece for the Garg Reunion contest, and hopefully it submitted all right. How come no one else has done any Canon Characters? ;} Anyways, gonna get a head start on the GAthering artwork, and packing, and...aggh, I've only got twelve hours til my flight leaves!

...Adios!
Niamhgold
Friday, March 23, 2001 08:31:37 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

"THE SOLE PURPOSE of continuing this discussion in here is for the perpetuation of the egoes of the participants."
Everyone please pay attention to lain. She's a lot wiser than she'll admit. There's a big difference between standing up for what you believe and ripping someone else to shreds because of their beliefs. And it's something that we're ALL guilty of from time to time.

I liked Greg's B5 quote: "understanding is a three-edged sword." To expand that: "your side, their side, and the truth." The truth is always somewhere in between two sides. The problem is that everyone thinks that Truth is on their side.

On the subject of leaving the CR, let me just say that I left the S8 CR after some unpleasantness, and I now think that it was a selfish and cowardly thing to do. Of course, now I don't think I have the time to post there and here. :(

Concerning Kaioto, I do think that some of his actions as an Administrator were excessive. I also think that recently his approach has improved. When he went too far in the last "incident", he realized it and apologized. I have far more respect for someone who makes a mistake and admits it than someone who is too proud to do so. No Administrator can be perfectly unbiased, and I'd be worried if one appeared to be so. But, then, I have a cynical nature. :)

Oh, and SJ, there's a reason everyone ganged up on Nathans; he was an antisocial jerk. I don't often say such things about people, but talking to him was like trying to have a rational discussion with a religious fanatic. In fact, he reminded me of some of the moron customers I have to deal with on a daily basis.
----
Imzadi:
You've never played Marathon?! What kind of Mac user are you? :) Nothing can compare to the Marathon story line, except perhaps Deus Ex. And I agree with you about the TiBook. Not that I'm gloating or anything. >:)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Friday, March 23, 2001 08:18:12 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-66-131.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

*lain enters quietly, having returned with her precious friend Lynati from Niagara Falls, the land where things are wet and thundering and very cold, especially with the icebergs falling over the falls.. and gloats a little over the CANADIAN falls vs the AMERICAN falls.. just because she can..*

*lynati passes on friendly-type positive greetings to all "yay" says she*

allright then..
if any of you want to discuss any of this silly whatever-it-is thats going on in here right now i would be happy to provide a voice of calm and perhaps some logic and sanity (should i be so lucky to possess these fine qualities..)
i think this comment room is NOT the best medium for resolution because what happens is that people post and then stand back to admire the flood of reactionary comments. its becoming rather like a game, see who can say the most outrageous or insulting thing and get away with it.. and then feel like a saint after being "unfairly" banished from this beautiful space.
there is respect lacking here, i find. if you are going to say ANYthing to ANYother try to think of how you would feel if those same things were said to you. lashing out and running away to gloat over the mess you make is NOT positive in any way, shape or form.
if anyone wants to even ATTEMPT a sensible resolution then please please for the love of everyone in this place - stop this senseless banter. no-one will achieve anything this way and i think everyone involved KNOWS that nothing will be accomplished this way and all that is being done is perpetuating some deep down hatred that seems to be lurking like a black ooze just below the skin of this comment room.

NOTHING is being accomplished.

THE SOLE PURPOSE of continuing this discussion in here is for the perpetuation of the egoes of the participants. if you feel the need to tear others down in order to build yourself up, i think this is terrifically unhealthy for all and i think there are a great many others in this space who would very much appreciate it if they didnt have to witness this ugliness.

At any rate, because i said i thought it was bad to post and run, i would like to communicate other ways in which to contact me:

on MSN messenger, my name is ‘jacob’ and my contact address is ‘sanchinwalker@hotmail.com’
on AOL messenger, my name is ‘WrestlingAnAngel’

should any of you who are lurking around on the net but dont have your IMs on (for some inexplicable reason) want to contact me, please feel free to do so as I would not object to aiding a resolution in this matter.

Thank you very much
love,

lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North, where they invented peacekeepers doncha know?
Friday, March 23, 2001 07:24:35 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

This is my last post from Berkeley for approximately a week and a half. If you're not excited/happy for me, you damn well better be! 8-) I spent FOUR HOURS in programming lab this morning waiting for the TA to give me a hand with TWO lines of code. TWO lines kept me in lab for four hours! The TA was busy helping some ditz the whole damn time...argh. All I wanted to do was leave. Bastard.

Mara & Crzy: Forget tickets! I want audience participation! Barring that, I guess I'll settle for tickets. Free to sketch pictures...but how about digital camcorders and cameras? Some of us aren't such great artists...

Stephen: Bummer about Hanna. Tom and Jerry was and still is one of my favorite cartoons. Slap stick rules.

Daniel: Actually, I've never played marathon, and my car doesn't have any seriously LOUD parts. Boomer is the US code word for a Russian nuclear sub (one that actually launches, as opposed to an "Alpha" which is just an attack sub). It just seemed fitting somehow, given that my Jeep is, well, big and deadly.

Domino effect of leaving: This is getting silly. One person gets banned and suddenly everyone's gonna leave? Okay fine. Where's the new CR?

SJ: <<Jesus F***ing Christ on a pogo stick, Doug, I'm not the freaking boogeyman. >>: LOL <<the same fervor isn't expressed>>: That happens when someone has an opinion that pisses people off. Doesn't mean we don't care about the person, just means we argue with them. <<he admitted as much>>: WAIT A MINUTE! I admitted to a bit of hero worship, nothing more. No one is above reproach, ESPECIALLY people I look up to. It only takes a bit of stupidity for someone who's been put on a pedestal to fall off. But dude...it's THE CHRISTINE MORGAN! j/k 8-) Seriously, though. If Christine said something stupid or something I didn't agree with, I'd let her know. And the only way to get an unbiased admin is to have a bot. I know we don't want that. So deal with humans and like it.

Kit: Even "I" got a warning on the rape discussion. I think everyone did, which is what led the discussion to being squashed.

Taleweaver: Excellent points on the TGS episode.

Christine: <>: You can do WHAT?! That's disgusting and I think you should be banned for it. It obivously shows you have bad taste, your work has no literary merit, and you have no right being an author. not that any of those things have to do with alfredo sauce, I just felt like being random. 8-) <>: I'll take your word on it. <<maybe it was even the naughty ones that got some folks first interested>>: If it doesn't draw an "R" rating or "worse", I skip it! 8-) <<torn between blushing and gloating>>: sounds familiar.

FS: <<But are they getting Mac users and newbies or are they making Pc users come over>>: All of the above. <<with the design>>: Our views differ slightly on which macs look cool. I like the TiBook. I think the iBook is ugly, the G4 tower is alright. The cube is decent, but I can see how someone would see it and drool (even if I don't). I mean, its a huge computer packed into an 8" cube! That's so cool, just from a miniaturization standpoint. iMacs...well, some look cool (indigo, graphite) and the flowerpower and blue dalmatian can go throw themselves out a window. They'd look a lot cooler with 17" screens (though they'd be HUGE if that happened). <<So... the question becomes... who>>: I nominate myself. I have no prejudices: I hate everyone equally. 8-)

Spike: <<The point is that Josh is right>>: I could get used to hearing that...

Beth H: Don't knock sex at in-and-out until you've tried it. I mean, come on! It's IN AND OUT! Doesn't the thought of a double-double make you horny? Oh, maybe that's just me (or maybe I'm not thinking of a burger...) Have fun on your date. Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

I can see B.S. behind twenty feet of lead reinforced concrete, in a blizzard, at night, underground, on another planet, in a galaxy far far away.
-Christopher Titus, Titus

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley-be-gone, CA, US of A
Friday, March 23, 2001 06:58:34 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-106.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Woo-hoo!!! Go, Beth! ;) Have a great time (and don't end up in any burger joint parking lots!) ;)

Man, waiting around for the games to start is killin' me...;)
Ravyn
Friday, March 23, 2001 05:43:56 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

HAHAHAHA!!! Less than 1 hour till my date gets here! And not a single family member around!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

BTW, last night my sister, her boyfriend, and I went out to get a bite to eat at In-N-Out Burger (sis and I were starving). I ended up seeing a couple (about my age) have sex in the back seat of their car while I ate. O.o Who'd want to have sex in a car at a burger joint parking lot!?!
Beth H.
Friday, March 23, 2001 05:40:33 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Dangit, my bad. That link leads to the TAIL end of the mess. Where's the Fraggin' snout? *scans more* Oh, HERE it is... Alright, look toward the halfway mark to see where the CR Admins declared the subject closed. The flame war would be before that, I assume. *goes back to looking*
Gunjack "Fireman" Valentine
Friday, March 23, 2001 04:25:41 PM
IP: 216-146-183-154.bwn.net

Hmmm. Nobody is screaming for my blood, or trying to set me on fire, or even calling me a hypocrite. I'm feeling left out. Let's do something about that, shall we?

*Crawls into the depths of the CR archive, and emerges grinning like a fool*

Ooo! Looky HERE! I was planning on writing quite a bit more, but I'll just post this first...

"Also, it's wrong to take on this attitude that "oh, we'll be good, we won't flame each other and things will be fine". If you believe that's all that's needed, you've missed the point Scott and Jewel and to a lesser extent myself have been trying to say. It's not this past flame war that did it--it's the fact that, lately, it's been obscenely easy for things like this to occur. It's not this one incident, it's the entire *environment* of the CR that's been tense and sometimes downright hostile. Simply thinking things will get better because this flame war is over and done with is wishful--but erroneous--thinking. Scott and Jewel's point is that, until we change the overall attitude of the CR--until we do away with all the cliques, and the thought process that someone's opinion is more worthy than anothers, and all of the bickering and backbiting and passive aggressive screw tactics--then things aren't going to get better. If anything, they can get worse."

Go on, Guess That Poster. You know you want to.
And as a preliminary aside to Don Quixote and Sancho, could either (or both) of you explain exactly what you're trying to accomplish? Is this just about chastising hypocrites? If so, your choice of targets is rather odd. I'm off to read the OLD flame war, in the hope that it'll shed a little light on this whole mess.

Speaking of which, clicky on the name link for the prologue to this whole mess. Now you new people can see exactly what this is all about! Are we happy yet?

*staggers out mumbleing Hickey's "F*** you ALL" song*
Gunjack "Green ALL Over" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 23, 2001 03:57:22 PM
IP: 216-146-183-154.bwn.net

At last, an update! New on my site, we have for your reading and viewing entertainment, the following:

1. First chapter of Archmage of the Universe, a peek at the gorgeous cover by Vig, and more besides.
2. A new fanfic, "The Guardians: Cobalt," in which Amber is trapped in the past and must seek help on Avalon.
3. And something else that, given the current atmosphere in here, it's ironic to mention ... "Good Girl Revenge," a naughty piece of original fiction starring Vig's character Bluette. Mature eyes only, please.

Find it all with a click, or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

SJ > as tempted as I am, mostly because I know you probably don't think I'd do it, I won't do it. But that's because I don't feel genuinely antagonistic enough towards anyone to unleash my ire. Sorry to disappoint!

Fire Storm > don't worry, as I said to SJ, I won't. But about the rest of it, you gotta stop saying stuff like that; it leaves me torn between "aww, come on, you're making me blush!" and manaiacal gloating over my own power and infamy, mua-ha-ha! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 23, 2001 03:18:35 PM
IP: 13-032.075.popsite.net

XenaTrek> Yeah, I'm a little disappointed that the MSU game is on at the same time as Arizona's...I wanted to see your team in action and analyze 'em a bit! But it's okay with me, as long as I get to see the Arizona game. I hope you enjoy it, and let me know what you think! :)
Ravyn
Friday, March 23, 2001 02:44:27 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

SJ: <And yes, I am stacking the deck to make Kaioto post. I've got a bet going, remember!>
Don't hold your breath this time.

Can anyone give a TRULY unbiased opinion of anything?
I am afraid not.
People just try to get the facts straight and make the best judgement possible.

<If you want to perform an interesting experiment, I'd recommend you say as many of the most hateful or offensive things as you can in a post, and then we'll compare that to something Fred has posted, and we'll see who gets the brunt of the criticism or rebuke. Trust me, it won't be you>
Oh hell...
PLEASE don't!
Even if Chistine DOES do that, I am the first to admit that any real action taken against her would be seen negatively in the entire fandom.
After all, she IS THE Christine Morgan! She is the one member of the fandom that is normally on the Special Guest list of the Gathering.
So PLEASE don't do this just to get action!

It may be time to get a new secondary Administrator, one with complete powers.
Robby is having trouble getting on-line, etc, etc.
So... the question becomes... who?

DPH: <The key to additions to my 'firing squad' is the word 'FIRE'>
*Christov enters the CR and casts Firestorm on DC, causing a rain of fire to decend from the heavens*
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, March 23, 2001 02:43:28 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

**Ravyn walks in, sitting at the Tea Table of Peace and sighing.**

Doug> I agree with you about the professional sports. I've kinda lost interest in a lot of the pro stuff for the same reasons, although I still follow certain teams in the NBA and MLB. But yep, I've totally fallen in love with college basketball. Just something about people playing for the love of the game that makes it so much more interesting, and there really seem to be some differences in coaches' strategies and teams' styles that I love to notice. :)

Current Debate> I hope no one leaves because of this one! I like all of you, even the ones I don't agree with all the time, just 'cuz you're interesting people that have been my friends in this wacky place. I'm not gonna get into anything more besides that for now (unless y'all want an opinion outta me). ;)

**Ravyn drags in a TV, some chips and salsa, and sodas, already setting up for the NCAA basketball games later tonight.** Sorry, y'all, but I'll be camping out and watching the Arizona game! Don't mind me if I start yellin' at the TV. ;)
Ravyn
Friday, March 23, 2001 02:41:58 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Jen: Should Mara and I sell tickets?

Yes. I think we should. Guests get to join in for free though... (y'know... Thom, Greg, Marina... Crispy) half the proceeds will go to a charity that somehow is relevant to making out behind a set of lockers. Artists would be free to sketch pictures....

y'know I think these things through WAAAY too much.

shinigami
Friday, March 23, 2001 02:35:56 PM
IP: 143.55.129.229

What the heck? Another flame war? Just when things were peacefull.

Shoo, it looks thing I was mistaken. Ok, no early wipe. Damn. Robby, I have a solution for bookmark problems. I created an HTML page of my favorite websites with links and uploaded into my website. I have never seen the room get to 2 meg before.

The key to additions to my 'firing squad' is the word 'FIRE'. The group has to have some connection to the word 'fire'..

That's all, no BFTS RP because of Robby's order until the next wipe. Hmm, feel free to borrow my firing squad to use on DC.

DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, March 23, 2001 02:34:38 PM
IP: max1-49.cwy.cei.net

March Madness continues: They're not gonna show MSU's third round down here. :o( Which means Coyote is going have to give me the 'play by play' I'll have to remember to wear green this afternoon. Instead we are getting Arizona's game... I guess I can root for them. :oP @ Rayvn.
XenaTrek - [xenatrek@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Friday, March 23, 2001 02:33:59 PM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

Just checking in again and man are people getting it on, not in a good way either. My opinion, well, we are all people and mostly human but with human characteristics. We're not all going to agree on everything I think SJ mentioned something about being a clan. True, that's a good example, but not every family or circle of friends agree with everything, hell you see my get togethers during the holidays. Talk about Christmas at Ground Zero. The point is that Josh is right. We just need to address the problem and move on, it's all we really can do.

Now a happier subject

Spike/Doug- Thanks for th congrats on the art. I hope to get at least one more pic up before the 2nd, I just started on it. It's a cannon with Bluestone and Broadway in his trench coat. It should be sweet when it's done, hopefully in time.
Now back to my vacation and pesonal movie marathon
Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city on vacation, tx
Friday, March 23, 2001 01:51:45 PM
IP: 1cust108.tnt2.houston.tx.da.uu.net

Damnit, Fire Storm posted before me....

Fire Storm: I would argue that if the Administrator DOES have biases, than he has no business being the administrator in the first place.
Sevarius Jr.
Friday, March 23, 2001 01:43:49 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Christine: Well, yes, exactly, you have made my point for me. To many people, you are THE CHRISTINE MORGAN, and are above reproach. Look at Imzadi, he admitted as much.

If you want to perform an interesting experiment, I'd recommend you say as many of the most hateful or offensive things as you can in a post, and then we'll compare that to something Fred has posted, and we'll see who gets the brunt of the criticism or rebuke. Trust me, it won't be you.

Crzy: Wow, you're even better at piling on than I am. And that is a compliment.
And you must really have been gone, because this is certainly not the first time I've said Clit-on.

And yes, I am stacking the deck to make Kaioto post. I've got a bet going, remember!
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Friday, March 23, 2001 01:41:44 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Hmm... It seems that CNN has a 'Miles O'Brien' working for them.
Guess the chief couldn't get a job after DS9! :)

Doug: 
It probally will come out some day. Just not soon.
<Good points, hope intriguing responses are made.>
Me too. It is interesting to see what other countries think about the US.
I wish we had someone from Japan and other countries in here.
Hmm...
I'll ask that in Station 8 and see what the results are.

Lady Mystic: <*L* Hmm... I see a few too many interpretations on that one.>
Too true, too true...
I meant it will keep you safe and protect our love from outside sources.

The Verbal Terrorist: In Kaioto's defense, he is only human. Humans have biases towards a person or a group. It is human nature.

Imzadi: <Hey, if its important, you make room in your budget>
There's importance and then theres common sense.
If I can make EMP shielding that is just as effective as 18" of steel but is actually only 2", then thats what I am going for.
And I KNOW they can shield with less then 2." Some aircraft and alot of missles are EMP shielded.
<But that store keeps their display macs in poor condition and doesn't train its sales staff to sell them.>
Oh come on now. You act like the stores actually TRAIN their sales staff in computers!
Actual computer/electronics training I got from Office Depot: 0
From the product reps that came in: Up to 90% (Cell phones, yes.)
From other employees: 5% (oh yeah. Like we actually talked about work when we were sitting in a room for 2 days, 12 hours a day. HELL NO! We were playing, ripping, talking, doing whatever the hell we wanted. As long as we wern't loud.)
<Actually, iMacs sell themselves, as evidenced by nearly two straight years of Apple profitability>
But are they getting Mac users and newbies or are they making Pc users come over?
<It's the CUBE that needs help>
...with the design.
I am sorry, but to me the only Mac that look good to me are the G4 tower and the TiMac.
<Too many couples in here for me to keep track of>
Tell me about it...

Patrick: <they will also start carrying advertising for the first time in their 30+ year history>
Oh god no!

Todd: <Actually, what I'd really like to know is where the phrase originally comes from; it's suddenly popped up and I'm a little vague as to how it all started.>
I am a little sketchy on all of the datails, but here it goes:
Back in 1990, there was a game that a company translated into English. (There were actually alot of games that this happened to.)
The game was "Zero Wing."
When they translated it, they did a HORRIBLE job. Laughable, even.
Zoom 11 years later, and this game was re-circulating. SOmeone decided to make a flash movie out of it. And someone made a movie out of it.
It appeared on a few news groups at first.
Then Time magazine.
Then every @#$# piece of media out there in the world.
Comics.
TV.
ETC.
Rest is history.

Spacebabie: <Doesnt the disease the Red Death sound like Ebola? The symptoms of the disease sounds like it Sharp pains, dizzyness and profuse bleeding from the pores.>
Well, there are quite a few diseases that are similar in symptoms, but they also are flesh eating bacteria.
The one in Poe may be Streph. I don't know for certian, though.

Shadowrider: <Another thing happened a few days ago...not a good one indeed>
It seems to me that Kira was very well loved. She sounded happy in life.

New flame war: Could this be moved to E-Mail?
I understand the need to make these arguements in public, but they have been aired. Does everyone need to see all of the back and forths
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Friday, March 23, 2001 01:40:10 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

::puts on her asbestos suit and saunters into the comment room::

Dayam... this is getting ugly.

Christine - ::Glenda the Good Bitch of the North voice:: Are you a good bitch? Or a bad bitch? ;) hee hee... I have seen you pissed off maybe TWICE since I have known you... and it was NOT PRETTY! I don't ever want you pissed off at me! :)

S.J. gets away with saying "CLIT-on" and Fred is worried about being banned? Something is seriously wrong with that.

Spacebabie - if you need graphics for the MKR site, I have scans of my cels on my site you are free to use. (http://crzysmansion.art-chicks.com/stuff/cels/RayearthCels.html)

Patrick - Should Mara and I sell tickets? :P
CrzyDemona
Friday, March 23, 2001 01:08:36 PM
IP: 1cust172.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Kathy > as I understand it, the issue has never really been about sexfics, but about attention and popularity. Folks like me and thee (and thy other half of M. Destine) and Spike and others of our ilk, it's not what we write ... it's that we get positive attention from many for writing what some see as trash. So, for that, the rest of our work (when the naughty stuff isn't the totality, nor even the majority, of what most of us have done) and we personally are maligned. Which is more than a little exasperating, and quite frankly pretty darn sad, methinks.

Imzadi > well, you see, but I _am_ a total bitch and always have been ... you say that like it's a bad thing ; ) I just happen to also have a modicum of self-control, don't take many things seriously, and believe that hating and fighting take creative energy away from other pursuits such as writing and gaming, so it's the rare occasion indeed when I really let loose. Luckily ... ; )

Doug > though I must admit, being a rabid Stephen King fan has led me to buy all the DT books and even read them ... once ... just so I can say I have read them all. I wait until paperback, that's all. As for these other matters, stay strong; you're a good and decent guy who always seems to be wanting to do right by people, and that's a rare thing in this world. You've always impressed me on this issue, the way I know you don't personally care for certain topics and certain stories, but don't let that stand in the way of how you view a person. It pains me to see you bearing the brunt of this mess, especially when I can't help but feel partly responsible for setting it all off just by being who and what I am, so for that, I'm deeply sorry and wish you well in dealing with this. And hang onto that Kit; she's a keeper! :)

SJ > there are plenty of things that are 'popular' that I don't like. Plenty of authors whose work is enjoyed by many, but that I have no interest in reading. Entire genres that I don't care for. But I understand that these are my opinions, my tastes, and don't make a habit of despising those who create or enjoy such products. Here's a short list of some things that are popular but that I don't like -- Anne Rice books, anime, Buffy, Robert Jordan books, tomato sauce. But I have nothing against those who do like such things. I have nothing against Anne Rice or Robert Jordan as _people_ based on what they _write_. What I _do_ feel, naturally, when I see some published and famous author raking in the bucks, is jealousy, as I sit here hoping for even just one small real contract. Sure. Why not? But do I cast aspersions on the indivuduals? Do I denounce everyone who enjoys their books? No. What earthly good would it do, for me or for them or for anyone? Same goes for everything else on that list -- anime, tomato sauce, whatever. They love what they are doing and have been fortunate enough to have others love it too. Good for them. I can have Alfredo sauce on my pizza, and it doesn't have to affect anyone but me.

So, basically, okay, people like M. Destine, Spike, and me happen to have been able to write our sagas of stories that have earned us some popularity in this fandom. Some of them are naughty, and maybe it was even the naughty ones that got some folks first interested in our work, because there's a tendency in a lot of us to want to check out something with a warning label on it. But I doubt it's just the naughty stories that have _kept_ people reading our stuff.

As for public opinion of us personally, that's an entirely other kettle of fish. You seem to think that someone like me could do or say anything in here and get away with it, because I'm THE CHRISTINE MORGAN and everybody's ascared of me or something. I have no idea if that's so, and personally, I hope never to find out. Because to say the sorts of things it would take to get banned would mean I'd have to really be angry and hateful, and there's no one in here I hate.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:55:20 PM
IP: 21-050.075.popsite.net

Greetings and Salutations my fellow homo sapiens,

William Hannah) I'm sorry he's gone. He was one of the good ones.

I don't point in the CR enough to really comment on the current situation. So I'll post my comments on the latest episode.

***** Warning Unsolicited Comments TGS Spoilers *****

Review - The Council (Pt 3 and Overall)

The Good
This story in particular and the preceding parts as well have one major good thing going. The gargoyles interacting with each other. Kylie's meeting the Chinese clan, Kristie, Lex and Aurora getting to know each other, even Tamora making mooneyes at Goliath are the gems of the story. In fact, the only drawback here is that there wasn’t more of it. Seeing different gargoyles of different experiences and temperaments is why I came and it didn’t disappoint.

The Bad
There are three points, one general and two specifics. The general is about the detail or the lack of them. I kept think of the story as a large mural. Very good at seeing the picture from a far, but lacking in the subtle details that make up a portrait. Small questions kept popping up. Like if the Antarctic clan hasn’t met humans, why do they have names and human meaning names at that. Or how is the theme park laid out? This came up during the fighting. The details aren’t critical but they kept the story from being great.

The one specific points concern pacing and characters. The pace was slow, spreading out the good points too far away. IMO, I’d liked the girls and Lex more when they were just talking than every little bump and jab being a prelude to a fight. I preferred Goliath looking for solutions to his problems than whining about how Brooklyn isn’t there.

Another is the old English teacher axiom “Show, not Telling” Specifically, the delegates not getting along. I like that the leaders are so used to being unquestioned in their opinions it makes them difficult to agree to anything. I would have liked to see that in more of their discussions. Especially ones other than dealing with the human question.

The Ugly
Darius - This is a story that didn’t need a cliché villain or a physical threat. I liked Darius in the first two parts. Someone with their own agenda and a plan to make it happen. But to just turn a pack of wolf-boars loose with no obvious return on his investment made him into another silly villain like the Ultra-Pack or the Minions. More likely to shoot themselves in the foot than be a real threat. How does massacring delegates of gargoyles get you what you want? And why do you want it?

It also is a cheap way to resolve the problem. Instead of Goliath working to change the minds of the delegates or get them focus on problems other than the humans, it’s a simple ‘we fought together, now lets be friends’ lacking a lot of depth. Rather than deal with issues brought up, they’re sort of shuffled around. Problems can be solved, they can be long term to deal with, but to be dropped leaves things very unsatisfying.

Demona – Overall she was unnecessary to the story. (Question: Isn’t Demona a necromancer? She did resurrection Coldstone with magic. Three gargoyle souls put into a cyborg shell.) She only interacted with Darius. She didn’t say two words to anyone else. At the end, I was wondering why she was even here. I thought some of Brooklyn’s words would come back to haunt her, but nothing happened. All sizzle and no steak.

Overall
I’d give it a ‘Room for Improvement’ rating. The new characters were interesting. Kylie was spot on and conveyed wisdom. Hudson also carried a brand of working wisdom, I haven’t seen in his character in a long time. Mei Hsing dissension was considered and thought out but Goliath was whiny, which I didn’t care for. The idea that the first council would meet with major disagreements was expected. It wouldn’t be a story if they all came together and sat down in quiet agreement. It is how the main characters meet those challenges and whether they overcome them or not that makes a good story. The fact, Goliath didn’t even meet the challenge that it was resolved for him, brings things down a peg.

***** End of Spoilers *****

Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:36:45 PM
IP: hal5000.engineering.csupomona.edu

Doug/Kit: Wow, the two of you both respond to me within minutes of my posting. That has to be a record.

First off, I can't believe that you're counting the rape thing. That is so NON issue. Kaioto made a blanket statement for everyone to drop it, and the only reason he may have included your name was because at the time you were somewhat vocal. You've obviously never been really threatened by Kaioto. If you had, than you would know what's a real threat and what is nothing but a warning to all parties involved. If Kaioto gives you anything other than a warning (not a threat), than I will sincerely be shocked to my core.

And honestly, about what you and Fred are saying....I'm sorry, but after everything that's gone on between the two of you--not just lately, but throughout history--I'm sorry, I sort of question the true validity of your friendship with him. The "Hey, I'm your friend, I'm trying to help you out here" theme just doesn't ring true with me. That's the way I feel.

But Shadowrider brings up an interesting point. When someone like Doug/Kit threatens to leave (or say, Christine during the Paul Allan Nathans debacle), everyone jumps to their defense, but when someone like Fred, or Jewel, or Paul Allan Nathans, or Aris, leaves, the same fervor isn't expressed. One would think if this "we're all a clan, it's a tragedy if anyone of us leaves" thing is real and not just BS that more people would be saying something about both sides.
I guess this goes along with the public opinion thing I was talking about earlier.
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:20:24 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Thanks Shadowrider. That is exactly what we're trying to do here. If only the people we're trying to help by doing it would just see that... <sighs> We're glad to have your support.

<another moment of silence for Bob Wollek, a great man I have never heard of but one according to a friend and anyway still a dead man worthy of being mourned>
Kit
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:13:24 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.150.dlls.grid.net

Doug, your post arrived as I was typing mine. Anyway, what I've written is still valid. Also, thank you for you giving a thought to Kira in a moment like this.

Sorry for 3rd post.
Shadowrider
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:12:08 PM
IP: h213-46-248.mi2.albacom.net

SJ: Glad Doug has your confidence. It may be misplaced, though. After all, I did get a warning from the troll during a certain rape discussion a few weeks back. If I can get one, so can Doug. And that's why he's worried.
Kit
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:10:14 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.150.dlls.grid.net

Seems I have arrived in a hot moment. Well, I don't know exactly what has happened to start it, and I'm not sure I want to know it...personally, I'd rather stay out of this, but some people I consider good friends are involved, and so I can't help but intervening.

Doug & Kit:> I hope you two will not leave, either 'cause banished (and, I think, if YOU TWO are banished from this Room, then everyone of us would be supposed to carefully reconsider his/her permanence here) or by your will. It is for egoisthical reasons, I think...this Room would no more be the same for me without you two. Well...you are my friends, and you heve my support for everything. Even though I don't know exactly what has happened here (I'll try to get updated as I finish here), I feel I can trust that you did nothing but what you felt right in your mind.

I'll stay tuned for developments

Also, a little thing I forgot: I'd like to propose a moment of silence for Bob Wollek, who has gone for a stupid accident a few days ago. He was a great pilot, not only for his pure ability, but also for his correctness in racing, and for his great tenacity.

See later, probably
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:09:22 PM
IP: h213-46-248.mi2.albacom.net

<moments of silence for William Hanna and for Kira> Hello again, Shadowrider. Sorry you had to come back to what is currently going on.

SJ: Personal opinion? Yeah, I suppose it's that. <shrugs> But I also think it's something Fred needs to hear, something you might also. Can't you please just stop for a minute and think about what I and him have been saying, the emotions behind it, etc? Or do you just care about making the sides clear and not resolving this? Really, I want to know.

Back to doing my best to save the bombardier. (If anybody else gets and wants to explain the reference, feel free.)
Doug
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:08:40 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.150.dlls.grid.net

Hola, people! Back another weekend, oh yes!

Well, I must say these last days were quite heavy. Not only my usual duties, but also some problems of discipline with some new recruits that contributed to make the atmosphere in the barracks quite tense. Oh well...I am quite lucky in this, anyway, cause being a launching ramp operator, I don't work in the barracks but at the operative outpost, and I am at the base only for a fraction of my time, so this particular situation didn't touch me more than a little.
Another thing happened a few days ago...not a good one indeed. Well, there was this female dog at the outpost, her name was Kira. Someone had abandoned her near the outpost as she was just a few weeks old, and so the officers working there had adopted her. She had lived there for more than ten years, becoming a kind of mascotte for our Battery, and eventually being of great help sometimes. But, about a month ago she started to seem ill and debilitated. A vet was called, and she was diagnosticated a cancer...and so, three days ago, we were forced to euthanasize her. Well...it was not a good scene to see. Of course, rationally it was better for her, since she was suffering a lot...but it was difficult to stay and see it happening, anyway. Although I didn't know Kira from a long time, I was quite affectionate to her. We buried her there at the outpost, and we placed a cross with her name and the date...and, well, that's all. I wanted to share it.

Well, I'll be here until Sunday. So, what's going on into here?

Niamhgold:> Got your email!

See you all!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Friday, March 23, 2001 11:42:23 AM
IP: h213-46-248.mi2.albacom.net

<<And all because someone else who shall remain nameless badgered me into displaying my true feelings on this
matter. >>

Jesus F***ing Christ on a pogo stick, Doug, I'm not the freaking boogeyman. It's not a dangerous thing to say my name, after all.

But yes, actually, I do prefer you to say what you really feel, regardless of the consequences, because that is what I perceive as honesty. Perhaps I'm a bit warped, but I would rather hear you say things with all honesty instead of giving your opinions a sweet sugar coating.

The fatal flaw in your post is that you see the need to "open Fred's eyes". As long as we in the comment room are espousing the benefits of personal opinion, let me say it's a matter of personal opinion as to whether he needs a stern lecture to "set him on the straight and narrow".

But continuing the theme of honesty, if you really believe that you are in ANY danger of being banned from the CR...well, you're mistaken. You have virtually nothing to fear.

Patrick: Yeah, it really sucks when certain people make broad, painful generalizations about you as a person without really knowing who you really are, isn't it?

Who wants to bet how many posts it is until the Kaioto meltdown?
And who wants to bet that he threatens to ban 2 people, and neither is Doug?
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Friday, March 23, 2001 11:29:36 AM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Lights another Candle and bows her head for William Hannah.

Weve been reading Poe in American lit class and i noticed something interesting. Doesnt the disease the Red Death sound like Ebola? The symptoms of the disease sounds like it
Sharp pains, dizzyness and profuse bleeding from the pores.

Well if Kit, Doug, Pissy and GXB leave then I'll join them. Yes thats right me, lil miss innocent.

Schhol uniforms. if my school tired something like that I would "Accidently" place a red sock in the wash of the white blouses and white socks.

SJ>>>I agree with you about CTHD it should win and the WB are a bunch of dips if they loose Buffy and Angel...guess that means I'll wacth more FOX

Beth>>Oh man not that mean sister of yours...Why can't your sister stay away and my brother return instead.

Rayearth>>>I'm putting together my MKR site. I'll let you know when its done.
Spacebabie
Orlando, fl
Friday, March 23, 2001 11:22:03 AM
IP: user-37kap2c.dialup.mindspring.com

GXB: Thanks, your support is appreciated once again. <The idiot's not worth it> That may be. However, right now, I don't care. I'm thinking if I can just get this guy to pull his head out of the sand, really read other's people's work and try to understand what they're saying, admit he could be wrong FOR ONCE, I will have done a good thing. If he doesn't do it, then I will really take your advice and give up, and let him live with the consequences as I probably should be doing now.

Everyone else: This could have been handled in e-mail, yeah, but I believe that would just be running away. It started in here, it has to be finished in here to be truly finished. So I believe anyway. I don't think there's anything immature about wanting to finish it either. If certain people want to go over the posts we're making and find stuff they think is immature, feel free. However, I believe you will only be perpetuating this conflict unnecessarily if you do. But do it if you want, it's your choice. BTW, I want this thing to end as much as you do, if not more. I have wanted that for a long time. I am never happy when conflicts like this one rear their ugly heads. But I didn't start this one, so we all know I can't finish it. :(

Something positive for SOROW's sake: The weather is beautiful again today, sunny and mild, few clouds as far as the eye can see. I will be spending the day outside. Night should be clear and cool, Kit and I will go for a moonlit stroll together if we can. :) Wish you could join us.
Doug
Friday, March 23, 2001 11:04:05 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.53.dlls.grid.net

OH BOY the snow storm has just gotten better! Three feet of wet slippery heavy snow that is a pain to shovel, will flood horribly when it will melt, and adds to much weight to trees. My trees outside lost many LARGE limbs ( one almost broke our window). School was canceled, which is amazing because they usually don't care what weather is outside.....

Then I heard that they didn't close because of weather. There was no power. (Except here!)

So now I have to do homework until I see Man of la Mancha! ( said it right this time!)

MrNOYING>> I'll stop using pictures for awhile. Oh well.... What kind of Mac is it? Performa series goes raelly slow and it goes even slower if there are virs programs or norton utilities installed on to it. My old one does that. 13K Modem? That is really agonizing.......O_o

DOUG>> Thanks. My brother is fine now. He's off to NYC for some trip, and he's rooming with the kid who rammed him into the wall.

IMZADI>> <<lab top=laptop>> DOH..... oh well. You got the picture. Laptop.... of course the only way I'm gonna get one is to work hard for money, or win a bunch of poem contests.

TOMAN>> GAHHH I've been hearing that PHRASE forever! It's... it's EVERYWHERE! ::twitches:: All your base belongs to us...... oh man my head is spinning.... ::twitches:: =) I've even seen the movie. It' funny because the english is so wrong

JENSEN> <<all your base belong...and grammar>> Me no know what you mean. Phrase in English please you will!

Sarge kno english very good! Sarge now knows how do spell corectly, do parallelism well he does, and conjugates correct, for ALL YOUR BASE BELONG TO US it does!
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, Vermont, USA
Friday, March 23, 2001 10:00:34 AM
IP: ac8c6253.ipt.aol.com

::Looks in on the fray surrounding "Mistress of Dreams":: Oh what the heck. A couple more comments: If you're going to critique the story at least read it first, please? Some of you remind me of those church groups who kneejerk banned everything Harry Potter because it dealt with magic and therefore must be bad. The central concept was MIND RAPE. No one was actually enjoying anything. Secondly, I asked last week that if anybody wanted to discuss the story they do so via m_destine@hotmail.com. That didn't happen so I'm going to go with my gut feeling that this has nothing to do with "Mistress of Dreams", a story which is over a year old and was quietly minding its own business in the Adult Archive, and everything with having to perpetuate an atmosphere of unease which is pretty interesting given the recent discussions in here on bullying.

So folks, I'm going to ask one more time. Please don't rise to anymore bait. It's really not worth it.
kathy
Friday, March 23, 2001 09:19:26 AM
IP: rr-56-12-130.atl.mediaone.net

Trenchcoat Layn> um yeah it was an okay show I guess
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuf@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Friday, March 23, 2001 09:04:03 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-123.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

DOUG> Wow. That was a well thought out rant from the heart as Kit said. But don't get yourself banned. Pistoff there is not worth it. I'd really hate to see both you and Kit leave, especially because of that idiot.

That's all I'll say on the subject.

::Stands with Doug and Kit to await the coming verdict::
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Friday, March 23, 2001 09:03:17 AM
IP: dialin-175-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Todd:
Actually, it's "All your base are belong to us." :) As I understand it, it's from a Japanese game called "Zero Wing" which was poorly translated into English. It also contains such gems as "Somebody set us up the bomb!" and "What you say?". It reminds me of some text on a small battery-powered fan which said "A very lovely beautiful adornment. It will make you feel a breeze coming." It was made in China. They've GOT to get new translators. :)
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Imzadi:
And SUV named "Boomer?" A Marathon fan, perhaps? Or, just a bad muffler? ;)
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SOROW:
**big hug** I'm so sorry. I've felt like that before. I don't have an affectionate person either, but I do have a very affectionate dog. :) He's made a tremendous difference in my life. I'm also sorry that you came here to find some comfort only to get bombarded by another nascent flame war. Speaking of which...
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KNOCK IT OFF!
All of you! I am so sick of this constant back and forth sniping. If you've got a personal problem with someone, then that's what God gave us email for. I'm tired of people making fun of Fred's unpopular views, and I'm sick of his attacks on people's integrity. I feel like it's recess in 1st grade! What really ticks me off is that some how arguments over the sexual proclivities of fictional characters seems to take precedence over the very real problems of the very real people in here. That just seems damn selfish to me. I'm going to shut up now so I can cool off.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Friday, March 23, 2001 07:47:32 AM
IP: adsl-138-89-66-131.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

[Pauses in the room to place a lighted candle on the Tea Table, next to an Oscar and a framed picture of a gray cat & a brown mouse...]

Moment of Silence for one William Hanna... one half of the animation greats Hanna-Barbera, who died at 90. Just as there is silence when Mel Blanc passed on, there will be less color and movement in animation now...

Goodbye, Bill. You will be missed...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Friday, March 23, 2001 07:05:39 AM
IP: 6532163hfc112.tampabay.rr.com

Does anybody else besides me get the uneasy feeling that the phrase "All your base is belong to us" does not bode well for the future grammatical skills of this country?

Actually, what I'd really like to know is where the phrase originally comes from; it's suddenly popped up and I'm a little vague as to how it all started.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, March 23, 2001 06:55:20 AM
IP: 216.87.46.240.dialup-stl.primary.net

Before packs their bags, I'd just like to add that I sure don't want to see another batch of people going into self-imposed exiles from the CR just to prove their points over this latest flare-up of the erotica in fanfic debate. And I'm sure I speak for kathy, too, when I say that we DO appreciate the sentiment of those who've tried to defend us from the comments that have gone beyond criticising the stories to attack us personally. Obviously, though, this is not an issue that's going to be resolved by continued argument here in the CR. Passions run high on both sides (no pun intended) and probably the best both sides can do is just agree to disagree.

On the economy > Forget the President... Alan Greenspan is the most powerful man in the free world. All he has to do is say a few words and the stock market rises and falls seemingly at his whim.

Mara & Crzy > Re: make-out party behind the lockers... can I get tickets to that, too? :P

News item > MAD Magazine is switching from B&W newsprint to full color glossy starting very soon. To keep the magazine still priced at "$2.99 - CHEAP!", though, they will also start carrying advertising for the first time in their 30+ year history.

Fake news item > George W. Bush announced yesterday the nation's new overseas military policy: "All your base is belong to us."
Patrick Toman
Friday, March 23, 2001 06:49:33 AM
IP: ac870aa0.ipt.aol.com

Well, I'm all packed up and ready to go! My homework for the next two weeks is done so I don't have to bring any home with me. I'm going to see Enemy at the Gates with my parents on Saturday. I'll be driving my gas-guzzling SUV (affectionately named "Boomer") around the Valley and hopefully picking up cute chicks (cuz there aren't any in Berkeley) by this time tomorrow. Wish me luck!

Sorow: Sorry about your day. I've had days like that, they suck ass. <>: I haven't either, for months, and don't plan to for the next several months (see bachelor-for-life post). <<please post a positive thing>>: Did you want something positive about YOU or just positive in general? Well, I don't know you too well, so you'll have to settle for the latter. It was a beautiful, cool day in Berkeley today and I'm going home tomorrow! LA, the place in the world I love more than any other place. I'm going on vacation and I don't have ANY school work to do. How's THAT for positive 8-). Oh, and try smiling (right now!) and watching a funny movie. It will make you feel better, I promise.

Sarge: Here's a doozy for you: a C in an AP class is good for a 4-5 on the AP test. Work hard in the class, but don't worry about the actual test. <<LAB TOP>>: To my understanding, large slabs of linoleum are rather expensive (not to mention heavy). Might I suggest a laPtop? Not only will it be lighter, but you can go on vacation with it and still have a computer! 8-)

Crzy: <<let me know what you are looking for>> Um...low mileage, good curves, low maintenance costs...oh, pictures? How about canon and TGS characters?

FS: <>: Hey, if its important, you make room in your budget. <<Who WOULD you have sell iMacs>>: Well, lots of stores are qualified to sell macs. But that store keeps their display macs in poor condition and doesn't train its sales staff to sell them. Actually, iMacs sell themselves, as evidenced by nearly two straight years of Apple profitability. It's the CUBE that needs help. <<LM's love>>: Oh, right. Forgot about that. Too many couples in here for me to keep track of. <<iMac motherboards and processors>>: I don't know where, but I'm sure they're available.

Ed: 1) Of course students are allowed to go as soon as the bell rings. The bell signals the END of class. 2) Baseball fascination boggles me. Hockey is so much more exciting (no, I'm not canadian, nor do I have any blood in Canada). 3) Didn't have uniforms at my school, thank god!

Doug: <<more time studying and less hanging out in here with us>>: I really don't spend that much time in here, 1 or 2 posts a day at most. That's not a huge chunk of time for me. <>: I won't tell if you don't. 8-) <<very frisky sleeper>>: Another reason for my bachelor-for-life policy: despite being only 5'8" and 115 lbs, there is no bed in the world that's big enough for me and another person. <<comments on my fic>>: sex scenes may be edited out. Honestly, I just wanted to see if I could write them. Yes, it is INCREDIBLY long. I haven't broken it up into parts yet, which is something I'll do before I post it. Summarized development: this isn't a completed work. Those parts will be filled out before posting. This thing will be a book by the time I'm done. 8-) No rush on the feedback. <>: Of course you can. Its one of the things that goes with me always being right 8-) <<expelled girl>>: More importantly, your suggestion would require courage on the part of the school administration. That doesn't exist. It sucks. <<balancing act>>: What balancing act? <<death comes for all of us>>: Speak for yourself. I'm immortal. <<and probably dump the jerk pal also>>: That's a little rash. The best friend might just be looking out for him. He may be wrong (he IS wrong, Aingeal is not shallow and rotten), but its not right to dump your best friend just because they made a mistake.

Fred/Doug: Alright already. This is getting rediculous, even in the eyes of someone who isn't an admin. The way I see, you guys have a few choices. A) you can both get banned. That accomplishes a lot. You both prove that you are stubborn, foolish beings incapable of compromise. Doesn't bode well for your futures. B) you can agree to disagree and shut the hell up. Get on with your lives and let the rest of us post in peace and positivity like sorow requested. Leaving voluntarily if not banned won't prove your points, nor will it make the rest of us accept them. Your chest-thumping is not accomplishing anything, and you are just going to come up with more ways to piss yourselves (and everyone else) off. And just to help you guys out, I think you ought to submit to third-party arbitration and reviewing of your posts, just to show you guys how foolish and immature you sound.

Kit: Way to stand by your man. I approve.

Now, if all three of your get banned/leave due to bannings, I'm gonna laugh my ass off, much as I love you guys. All you had to do was carry on your little flame war in e-mail and this all would have been fine. But NOOOOOOO.

Sometimes, I picture a world of peace and happiness, were strife is unknown and guile is unneeded. And then I think how easy it'd be to attack 'em, cause they'd never see it coming.
-Anonymous

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, March 23, 2001 03:50:17 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-106.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Doug: From the heart, beginning to end. :) <smiles and claps, then walks over> Let's make it three people risking their necks. If Kaioto bans anyone, you or Fred, I too will leave. <takes Doug's hand, smiles, and waits with him> I hope we don't have to wait too long.
Kitainia
Friday, March 23, 2001 03:29:09 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.81.dlls.grid.net

Fred: God, you sound just like my mother. Whenever she wanted to get a point across to me that wasn't a very good point, one that only she believed the truth of and I could not possibly do the same for usually obvious reasons, she used almost the exact same phrase. Just replace I with you. :(

FYI, Fred, at no time did I consider myself talking behind your back when I spoke of you in here. You think I didn't assume you would read my words sometime, expressing myself in a public forum in here like I was? Huh? I wasn't just in your face, I was in everyone's face. And all because someone else who shall remain nameless badgered me into displaying my true feelings on this matter. I'm frankly not surprised you don't like those feelings, you don't seem to like anybody not agreeing with you. I expressed the feelings because I felt I had to to get another person off my back, sometimes I just do things and say damn the consequences. I then take things as they happen no matter what. I'd be surprised if you hadn't done the same yourself at least once in your life.

<sighs heavily> Look, buddy, what do you want from me? An apology? Fine, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I called you a hypocrite. I'm sorry I didn't try to make myself aware of the full facts of your opinion and the situation. I'm sorry I didn't appear to consider your feelings when expressing my thoughts. I'm sorry I let someone else, he knows who he is, make me voice my real opinion on things. I'm sorry for developing this opinion opposite to yours. I'm sorry for having my own opinion on this situation. I'm sorry for standing up for what I believe, for siding with some of the people I consider my friends, and trying to open the eyes of another, namely you, to the grave of shit I believed he was digging for himself. I'm sorry for attempting to help that friend climb out of the grave and preserve his social standing in this room the best and only way I knew how. I'm sorry for heaping fuel on the fire of your anger right now. I'm sorry, Fred. Most of all, I'm sorry for actually thinking you would give a damn what anyone else thought of your words.

I don't want anything from you. Apologize for your actions or not, leave or stay, I don't care. I once just wanted you to listen to me, and to Kit, and to Denis and other people. You have refused to do that, and apparently will always refuse. You are so confident in the rightness of your opinion it disgusts me. For the record, I am not a member of the crowd that thinks it's not okay to say a story about a woman enjoying being raped is a bad story. I agree it is a bad story, 100%. I don't like that such fics are praised by some people, just like you don't. However, I acknowledge such people's right to their opinion and do not harass or browbeat them in any way because of it. Unlike you. You want to have the First Amendment work for you, Fred? Well, news flash- it's not just there for you. It's there for everyone. Judging by your posts, you refuse to accept that fact.

Another fact- you were not just voicing your opinion of certain people's work. You were voicing those opinion of those people, and it was a negative one. We consider such people our friends, a part of this room. Did you expect us to not stand up for them? Did you expect us to just bend over and kiss the almighty ass of you? Did you expect us to put up with someone harassing our friends unfairly? Well, we didn't. Instead, doing our best not to flame you, we asked you to please stop saying such opinions, to keep them to yourself for the sake of the room's peace. We did not do this to kiss anyone's ass, we certainly didn't do it to shout you down. It was you who chose to take it as an insult and damn us all in reply. Not us, you. I called you a hypocrite, I insulted you, yeah, but that was only after I got so fed up with someone else refusing to understand my opinion and saying I was refusing to understand yours, calling me a coward, that I had to say something. Like you, I had to stand up for myself and my opinion, no matter what happened next. Also, at the time, I honestly thought you were a hypocrite. In some ways I still do, this rant should make them obvious.

I have two more news flashes for you. First of all, you're not the only one Kaioto's been threatening with banishment from this room. He's also threatened other people merely for continuing this flame war you started, for perpetuating a conflict you could end favorably at any time if you'd just listen to other people's words. He has threatened people besides you with banishment from this room simply for voicing their opinions, for continuing discussions he did not like. He's done it by e-mail, and by creating an environment full of fear in this very room, an environment he has been allowed to create. It is because of that environment of fear I did not speak my mind before now, that I had to be badgered into it. Maybe the threat was never voiced, but I felt it would be there if I spoke my mind. Thus I tried to compromise, I tried to make peace. And I was not allowed. No, Kaioto never directly threatened me, but I felt like it might happen. Believe me, I did. And I did not enjoy that feeling. So I kept silent, until I no longer could.

So why'd he threaten you then? Obviously it's not working. <shrugs> Well, I'm not going to speculate about it here. Like you, I'm tired. Like you, I'm fed up. Like you, I'm mad as hell that people are not listening to me, not caring about what I have to say to them even when it comes from the heart, even when it's in their best interest to pull themselves out of the bunkers they've built around themselves and pay attention to someone else for once. Here comes the second news flash- you are the one who stepped inside the bunker. No one put you there. I can remember you once telling me you felt like you were being bombed by airplanes. I responded by implying that you were on a radio to the planes calling out their targets. You chose not to listen then, and you probably won't now. You're still calling out targets, Fred. You're still taking the laser guidance system and pointing it at your heart. You could run away from the bombs, you could politely ask the pilots to stop dropping them, you could accept that maybe you deserve some of the hits- you could take them like a man, stand up to them, and make them stop. Instead you're yelling "Hit me again!" over and over every time you insult someone, every time you say someone is not your friend just because they refused to agree with you and kiss your ass. You are bringing this mess down on yourself, Fred, whether or not you choose to admit it. Ever heard the phrase treat other people like you want to be treated? You are making yourself a living example of the consequences of not living by that phrase. I say this to you not because I hate you, not because I want to hurt you- I don't. I'm saying it because I care about you, I am your friend. I want to open your eyes, for God's sake.

<sighs> But like you I am fed up. I am disgusted. I am sick and tired of you taking shelter behind your wall and yelling that the world hates you and you hate them, even when it is clearly not so. I am sick and tired of watching you refuse to consider others' thoughts and feelings, of watching you make people mad enough at you to drive you out of places you want to be in, like this room. I am sick and tired of trying to talk some sense into you, to be brave and voice my true thoughts, consequences be damned, in hopes that they will have positive results, and in return be called a cutthroat, a coward, and a liar. I never intended to be such, nor do I now. If you choose to see me as such, though, that's your right. Just like your voicing your opinion of others and harassing them without good reason, your refusing to act civil in a place of friendship, your verbal terrorism, is your right.

There. Now you're not the only one risking your neck in here. If Kaioto wants to ban me, too, he can go right ahead. I don't like living in a threatening environment like this place has become thanks to discussions like this one anyway. Now if he wants to throw me out for voicing my opinions from my heart, as you believe he is doing to you, I have just given him good reason. I want you to know one last thing- I am doing this for you. I am telling you the things I believe you need to hear, and hoping to God you will listen, despite all the evidence you have shown me that you probably will not. If Kaioto throws me out for this, if he refuses to understand my feelings on the matter and my intentions, well then, you'll know you're not the only one he's yelling at and maybe you'll be able to feel better. If he doesn't throw me out, well then, he'll have proved you right about him. You'll feel good about that, won't you? See, I'm giving you a win-win situation just like a true friend would. <chuckles> At great personal risk to myself, I might add.

Are you going to care about this? All the evidence says no. I hope you'll prove me wrong. In any case, I shall stand here and wait for the verdict. I hope it comes soon, because above all things, I am sick and tired of waiting for this crap to end.
Doug
Friday, March 23, 2001 03:20:54 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.81.dlls.grid.net

Lovely. Finally get things partially straightened out in the new place, and then I look in here and see so-called "friends" giving it to me in the ass again. Guess I should be used to that by now.

I'm too tired to get caught up on everything right now. There are just a few comments, though, that I have to get off my chest, because I'm sick of this crap.

Kaioto: Keep your threats to yourself. If you expect people to follow the CR rules, then you'd damn well better apply those rules to EVERYONE equally, and you haven't been doing that. I find it very interesting that when somebody makes comments about me, you say nothing, but when I state an opinion about, for instance, the work of a particular author, you show up within five posts of mine and start threatening to ban me. I've seen you single other people out while letting certain others say whatever the hell they want to say. I guess you allow expression of opinions as long as all the proper asses are kissed and as long as the opinions voiced agree with those of you and your friends. Don't expect me to put up with your crap. You want to ban me just for voicing my opinion, go right ahead. After what I've seen, I wouldn't be losing much. Not that I'd be that easy to get rid of...

Denis: Well, well. That was quite a surprise. Nice to know that you're also in the crowd that thinks it's okay to praise a work of fiction that has a woman enjoying being raped, but it's not okay to say, "Hey, there's something a little screwed up with this." So, you're fed up with it, eh? Know what? I'm fed up with people acting like there's nothing at all wrong with writing about rape in a fic that's intended to make people horny. I mean, what the hell?? It's acceptable to say a fic like that is a "masterpiece" but it's NOT acceptable to say it sucks??
Do you have any idea how idiotic that is? Should I find a copy of the First Amendment and post it in here for you and these other hypocrites?

About the fanfic stuff...I find it interesting that you said I'm "writing off" your work AFTER I posted my clarification on the topic. Did you simply not understand a word of what I said, or did you just misrepresent my comments in order to make me look like an asshole? Whatever. I guess you didn't take into account my comments about the changes to the parts you worked on being *minimal* and the majority of the rewrites being stuff I'm planning to *add*--and it looks like you also neglected to notice my apology for the misunderstanding. And I also have to wonder about the timing of your post--I find it very interesting that you waited until after I said I would be offline for a few days to make your comments, instead of saying it to my face or in an email. Eh, whatever. Be sure to clean off the knife before you stick it into my back again.

Doug: Oh, this is nice. First you act like you're my friend, then you turn around and call me a hypocrite while talking to someone else. As if a guy who agrees with two opposite sides of a discussion has any right to call someone else a hypocrite. And hey, if you're gonna talk shit about me, could you at least wait till I get back online and do it to my face instead of behind my back? The next time you're gonna screw me in the ass, please give me a reach around.

But now everybody will make me out to be the bad guy making personal attacks. Well, that's fine with me--because I know I'm right. And I won't back down when I know I'm right. You want to say I'm the bad guy, or misguided, or a verbal terrorist, go right ahead. You want to ban me, go right ahead. I'm so goddamn disgusted with this place, I'm tempted to stay away even if I'm not banned.

But as I said...it won't be that easy to get rid of me.
The Verbal Terrorist
Friday, March 23, 2001 02:17:11 AM
IP: 3ip158.rvi.net

With how things are going, it looks like there may be the possibility that FS and I won't be attending this year's Gathering. We're hoping for the best and trying to change this as soon as possible. Even if we can go we may not be able to have costumes. Figures -- this being first year we had great costume ideas (enough to last us a few Gatherings too). :(

Anyone: <<Also... is it Manga or Magna? ~ Fire Storm>>
I know the spelling is "manga" but how is it pronounced?

Fire Storm: <<If it keeps LM's love in, mission acomplished!>>
*L* Hmm... I see a few too many interpretations on that one. ;) *HUGS* Love you too.

Coyote: Have you had any problems with your tazcaddy email account? Just making sure as I have been sending GMC 2004 stuff to that addy.

Ed: <<...if TV is to be believed, students are allowed to run out as soon as the bell goes...>>
Well, TV tends to paint a different picture on reality so I'm not sure what you mean. But for the most part, yes students can leave the classroom after the bell rings. But it depends on the teacher. I've had teachers that INSIST their students stay until everything has been met on the teacher's agenda. I remember one time a teacher I had kept us past the bell signaling the NEXT period. (There's 5 minutes between classes where I live.) It didn't bother the teacher because it wasn't any inconvenience to him/her (can't remember which). Fortunately, I shared the next class with another student and had an alibi for being so late. Thank goodness someone put his or her foot down to prevent THAT from happening again.

Cultural Differences in Schools: I can't clearly remember at the moment but Canada has a different transition method between high school and college/university than it is here in the US. It's different, but I guess since I'm familiar with it, it doesn't seem weird to me. Maybe it's because I have family there.

Robby: Ick. Hope your computer situation improves soon. Good luck in finding the wipe info (hope the delay doesn't last too long). FS and I would help but we don't have any s8 server access. All CR files we have worked on are accessed through Gorebash via email. And I hope people heed your warnings. :)

Doug: <<May you stay together forever.>> <<Thanks for making Lady Mystic post more with that relationship discussion- y'all made many interesting points also.>>
*smiles* Thanks, on both comments. :)

Too tired to contribute more.
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:48:19 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Robby: My last RP till the room gets wiped is below too.

<reading Yahoo news> Just great, there's been another school shooting in California. 5 wounded. I wonder what's gonna result from this one. <throws up hands> What is it going to take for our young people doing such things as this ruins your life?! :(
Doug
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:15:50 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.166.dlls.grid.net

And now part 2!

Ed: For the record, baseball is pretty perplexing to me too. Dad did take me to games, but I was always bored out of my mind at them. I only chose a favorite team and player because of him pressuring me. And some schools in America do have uniforms, much to my dislike. The one I graduated from got them my last year (and the principal's). Hey, don't slight a cherished expression of our American freedom! :) Yes, there are a lot of perplexing things about this place, but you can get used to them and enjoy them nonetheless.

Conspiracy Theorist: Good luck with the story, once again, and with your goals. I too would be interested in seeing that profile on Zodiac, if I ever do write my creativity demon series with Venom, Lisa Ryder, and John Mason fighting crime and trying to survive and avoid attention in San Francisco I might want to use such an infamous Frisco citizen as Zodiac for a villain a time or three. <grin> I agree with you on the Illuminati's plans and goals, and thank you for the chuckle I got from reading your bit about Reagan. :)

Calliope: Good luck with those Japanese classes. Condolences on your old club going sour without you. Maybe it lost its heart when you departed. :(

Mara: Welcome back to the room! Good to see you. <make-out party> Damn Kit for not letting me watch that. <sighs>

Hyperion: Put me down as another person who's glad your name doesn't come from that poorly written, exaggeratedly emotional, and too-long sci-fi novel. Though its antagonist was menacing enough. :)

Archwolf: <shakes head> That coach better be fired soon, and then sued for malpractice. <sighs> Condolences on having to deal with him, I hope that it's over now. Congrats to your sister on the marriage, the wedding sounds like it was wonderful. May many happy years be ahead for her and her husband too. :)

Imzadi: I agree with you about Spring Break, it should be a break! :( Condolences on the low midterm scores, though I'm glad one was higher than you thought it'd be. Hope you can improve your grades soon. Maybe you should spend more time studying and less hanging out in here with us. No, wait, forget I said that. <expression of disbelief> On Kit being an English teacher, hmm, I can see her as that too. I don't know if she's ever considered it as a career though. <shrugs> You sound very happy with your choice to be a confirmed bachelor for life, I might embrace that lifestyle myself. If not for Kitainia. :)

Sarge: Welcome back! :) <Kit's talons> Yes, they do get tired. She rests them periodically, though. As do I. <recent bad day> Condolences. Hope the bomb threat wasn't real, you do better next time at driver's ed, and your brother wasn't hurt too badly and heals soon.

Gside: Good luck with the exams and big things due. Hope you do well on them. <slow lately> I agree, maybe some things I've said in this post will spice things up. <fingers crossed>

Aingeal: <car accident> Condolences on that too. It sounds like the other woman was at fault, so there's at least one point in your favor. Good luck with the settlement and getting a new vehicle soon. In this world, a car tops the list of things everybody needs. :P

Jannie: Hope that your health and life allow you to wait till after the Gathering to take care of that stomach trouble. Good luck with it. Hope you can get that new operation, it sounds cool. :) Glad you also enjoyed Enemy at the Gates and last week's District. <The First Year> What channel is that on? If you like it, I think I too should check it out. :)

DPH: Thanks for the good news on Timedancer. :) Congrats on getting some things on your list done, hope the others are soon accomplished also. <customized computer> Try ordering one from Gateway or Dell, they have some pretty good deals.

Lain <Project Firebird> Good luck. :)

Ravyn: Good luck on the chemistry test, hope you do well. I think we like driving cars for the same reasons. <smile> Congrats again on your big racing win. <basketball> I too enjoy playing the game and watching my friends play it, the female ones especially. :) But watching professionals do it doesn't have the same effect on me, I dislike the reminder that they're getting made into millionaires just for doing something so easy as that game (it looks easy to me as a viewer at least). The fun aspect of basketball is also more important to me than the competition one, and televised professional games tend to emphasize the latter aspect more. :( Never mind that the games often pre-empt my favorite shows. You have a right to your opinion, I'm sure you're a great basketball coach despite your height, and I'm sure the game is exhilarating to you also. But for me, unless I have friends on the team who I can actually care about watching and/or helping win, you'll never catch me enjoying sports.

Coyote: Congrats on your parts test going well, hope the course continues to be easy and beneficial for you. :)

Spike: That Hatchlings Rule contest sounds great. Too bad I can't draw. :P Oh well, at least I can still enjoy the pics. Nice one from Revel.

Buffy: Thanks, SJ, for added evidence that Jamie Kellner is a clueless egotistical moron. I knew it was so back when he unreasonably delayed two very good Buffy episodes back in '97, but it's always nice to have further confirmation of one's opinion. <sigh> I too only watch the WB for Buffy and Angel. And Zeta Project, which is probably also on Kellner's hit list. :P Joss has every right to be angry at the guy about his remarks, and I am angry also. I know I'm not the only Buffy fan who is. If it's for the best, as it may be, I hope Joss will take Buffy and Angel, and all his great talent and ability, to another network. WB might very well collapse without him and his shows, but given Kellner's obvious selfish stupidity and the untrue assumption by many in the media that he is primarily responsible for WB's success, it could serve things right. <growl> As long as good shows stay on the air, I will watch them, on whatever channel they may reside.

MrNoying: You have my word that this post will be my last big two-part one until the room gets wiped again. Hope that is soon (if I had the admin access to s8 you do, I'd help look for the wiping page. <sighs> If worse comes to worse, Gorebash might know). Condolences on all your computer problems, best of luck solving them soon. The e-mail and scanner ones especially. <glares at DC>

Lexy: I hope you can do more pics too! <grin>

And in the interests of not making the CR too much bigger now that I know it may not get wiped on time, <frown> that's all for tonight. As usual, I have said all I wanted to by the time I have decided to stop typing. <grins> Finished earlier than usual tonight too. :) I'll be back soon, hope the room is wiped on time this weekend (someone besides Robby must know how to do it! Kyryn maybe? <prayer>) Until later.

**RESUME RP, RAVENS' SAGA**

"You love me?!" Stephanie laughs in Keith's face. "You love me? Even though I hate you and would gladly slice out your heart?" "That's not Stephanie talking!" Keith retorts, glaring down at her. "Your body's been contaminated by Jacob Kell's soul, but you're still Stephanie. I know the Stephanie I love is in there somewhere. You will release her now!" "Pathetic fool!" Stephanie cackles, leaping back to her feet. Keith sighs and prepares to fight her once again. Before Stephanie can engage him, though, she is hit from behind by a hard metal pole. "Keep her down!!" Jammer yells at Keith before spinning around and rushing back to help Tricia, who is taking on both of Kharsus's conjured warriors by herself with chain and psionic blasts. "Thanks!" Keith salutes his best-man-to-be, then moves to handcuff Stephanie to a nearby display case. Meanwhile Tom is screaming as Claudia continues draining his blood. "Bobby!" he yells at Mansfield. "Help me!" He tries to push the vampire child off him but fails, her kicks and punches continuing to slam into his chest. As they both tumble to the floor, Mansfield frowns, then sighs and pulls out his pistol. As Claudia prepares to bite down on Tom's neck once again, he fires several times, hitting her in the heart, face, and eyes. "No!! You can't do that!!!" Claudia wails as she collapses into dust, a great shudder going through the room. Tom gasps his thanks to Mansfield and then slumps unconscious, his wounds leaking blood heavily. "Shoot!" Mansfield gasps, looking at his gun and the dying engineer. "Damn it!" Turning around, the commando drops his gun and rushes out of the Mall. "Hey!" Shauna yells after him. "Forget him," Lathrop advises her. "See to Tom and the Governor." The archer frowns but nods to show her assent that he is right. As she rushes to Tom's side, Lathrop launches a fireball at Kharsus, who winces as he is knocked down by the blast. Elena, who has been dodging his spells, moves in quickly and grabs his staff, cracking it in half with her hands as she leaps back. "No!" Kharsus screams at her just before a huge explosion goes off, knocking them both down and unconscious. The two conjured warriors instantly disappear, and Lathrop smiles at the shouted thanks he receives from Jammer and Tricia, then runs to see to Elena's health. Nearby Boris has just been thrown off by Schaefer and landed next to Anthony, who Xothux has pinned down with lightning blasts. "Tell me how to stop these guys!" Boris screams at the Hellcop, who grimaces. "There's not much chance you can," he sighs, pointing towards Claudia's dust, which is already coalescing back into her bodily form. "For best results you have to be Damned, like them, and you'd have to destroy their eyes- for most of them. That little girl's a damned vampire- I'd have to destroy her eyes and heart, then pour holy water on the dust before she rises again. Unfortunately, I don't have any holy water." "We'll need Orion for her then," Boris muses, then gasps. "Get down!" He and Anthony dive to the floor as Schaefer, having produced another machine gun out of nowhere, opens fire on their hiding place. Jammer, Tricia, and Keith all rush him, the latter ignoring curses screamed at him by the recovered Stephanie. Kit is meanwhile gasping for breath as Ty-Ubemngoe chokes her with his powerful hands. "I hate having to destroy a female so beautiful," the huge gargoyle sighs as he applies pressure. "Then don't…" Kit moans, pulling Steamer out of her belt and spraying him in the face. "Augh!" Ty-Ubemngoe groans, then screams in sudden pain and drops Kit as she uses her other hand to jab her taser into his armpit. She hits the ground hard and before she can leap up, Ty-Ubemngoe is on her, punching and stamping down with his taloned hands and feet. "Lisa!" Doug shouts, turning from his fight against Paul duGaul to rush Ty-Ubemngoe. Before he can, duGaul kicks him hard in the groin and sweeps him off his feet, kicking away the nightstick with a laugh. "Caring about a woman more than yourself!" the damned Frenchman sneers, raising his knife. "American fool!" Doug glares at him from the floor, groaning in pain as he tries to get up. duGaul chuckles and readies his knife to stab down. A gunshot goes off just then, hitting the damned Frenchman in the hand and making him drop the knife with a scream. "You're under arrest!" Kenny shouts, having just recovered from his latest death and fired his service pistol. duGaul growls at him and moves to draw his own sidearm, but before he can Doug grabs the damned Frenchman and flings him over his shoulder right into Ty-Ubemngoe, who yells in surprise and then groans in pain as both he and duGaul collapse in a heap. Nodding at Kenny in thanks, Doug winces and then rushes towards the gasping and heavily injured Kit as the battle continues around them and the screen goes blank.

**IS KIT ALRIGHT? DID TOM AND VENTURA SURVIVE BEING BLOOD-DRAINED? WHERE DID MANSFIELD RUN OFF TO? WILL THIS FIGHT AND THE MALL OF AMERICA ARC EVER END? FIND OUT NEXT TIME DOUG OR KIT DOES AN RP**
Doug
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:12:42 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.166.dlls.grid.net

**RP, TYING IN WITH THE NEWS AND LOOSE ENDS**

The screen comes on displaying a paddy wagon heading out of New York towards Riker's Island. "I robbed twenty banks and ninety-one gas stations," one of the new convicts in the back is recounting his exploits with a chuckle. "Almost became a millionaire." "Well, I tried to kill a lot of people," says another. "They caught me before the scheme got off the ground." "I'm New York's second biggest drug dealer," a third finely groomed convict says, then looks at the last one in the van- a huge overweight bearded man who looks like he washes dishes for a living. "What are you in for?" "I am the world's greatest computer genius," Abraham Abdallah replies smugly. "I stole the identities of nearly all the Fortune 500. I was using their money to live my life. Now I cannot believe I have been caught." "That's too bad, man!" the robber gasps. "Yeah," the schemer agrees. "I would have liked to get in on that action." "Shoot, man," the drug dealer whistles. "I thought I was crafty." "Hey, shut up back there!" one of the guards driving the van yells, to be answered by several insults and curses. Abraham Abdallah does not join in the shouting, instead sighing heavily and putting his head in his hands. Suddenly there is a loud pop and the van stops dead. "Flat tire?" one guard asks the other. "No way, man!" the other throws up his hands, opening the door to check. Immediately two shotgun blasts go off and before the guards can even grab their guns they both slump into death. "What the…" the schemer gasps. "Homies, is that you?" the drug dealer calls as the van's doors are blown open by an explosive charge. "Actually we're the Crime Squad," Michael Rodriguez grins as he stands revealed. "Couldn't think up a better name." "We'd like to recruit one of you," says Donald Newbury, who's standing beside Rodriguez. "Him." He points at Abdallah. "Oh no!" the cracker shakes his head. "I have given up my life of crime! I do not wish to do it ever again!" "Too bad, Rani," George Rivas snaps, grimacing as he walks up. "We need your finance acquisition genius. You don't have a choice." He spits a wad of tobacco on the ground. "The rest of you guys can come along if you like. Mayhem aplenty awaits us." "Oh boy," the schemer chuckles. "Maybe I will be a millionaire now!" the robber laughs. "This oughta be fun," grins the drug dealer. "I got the keys," Randy Halprin says to Rivas, who nods. "Unchain them, and hurry. We gotta get out of here before more cops show up." "Please leave me here!" Abdallah begs them. "I wish to suffer my punishment." The Texas convicts look at him like he is crazy, then move in to unlock the prisoners' chains.

Meanwhile, in Area 51's conference room, Wilek Nereus is frowning as he listens to the Administrator recounting her battle with the Ten. "So we lost nearly all our Borg assets," he says when she is finished. "Just you and those two warriors behind you are left." The Administrator nods and the warriors do also. "It was quite a costly battle," the Admin makes an understatement. "And One still lives," Miriam Baxter grimaces from her seat next to Wilek. "Not only that, she is forcing Mr. Sevarius Jr. to marry her. I do not like this, Mr. Nereus." "We'll have to talk to SJ, see if there isn't some way out of this for him," Wilek muses. "I'd want to find one. What about those demons who fought with you- Sammael, Mephisto, etc. What became of them?" "I do not recall," the Admin replies solemnly. "I think some of them may still be alive, but…" A loud explosion from nearby interrupts her. "Alright, what was that?" Wilek stands up looking angered. "If Dark Mage is conducting volatile experiments again…" "I do not think it is him, Mr. Nereus," Miriam grimaces. Another explosion goes off as she also stands up, causing one of the room's walls to fall in and crash to the ground. Several blue-robed figures stand revealed in it. "We are the Arcane!!" they declare in one voice. "Followers of Gar!!" "And what do you want here?" Wilek asks them nonchalantly. "To destroy you all!" the figures reply. "You are our master's enemies!" "Great, just great," Wilek throws up his hands as Miriam and the growling xenomorph Raoul move to guard his flanks. "Another enemy who I can't even remember making!" "You are the followers of Gar?" the Admin asks the Arcane. "You will soon be the followers of Borg instead!" She gestures at her warriors as the Arcane begin conjuring powerful magic. "Assimilate them!!!"

**HOPE THIS PROMPTS YOU TO JOIN IN THE FUN AGAIN SOON, WILEK. :) END RP**

<Doug walks in with an exhausted look> Anyone in here ever had a day that was so incredibly boring they just couldn't wait for it to end? I did today. <sigh> Some news- another officer at work had to be let go, we have yet to find a suitable replacement, and the day was thus full of schedule jockeying. :( Abel even tried to make me work a night post and thus help out with filling in for the guy, but doing it would have made me miss out on working the full 40+ hours a week I need to do my share of supporting myself and Kit, so I said no and put my foot down. <grimaces> Another officer thus got to work an extra night, which was good for him as he's one of the ones who complains about needing extra money a lot. Not much else has been going on- Austin had a music festival last weekend that Kit and I enjoyed a little of, we saw Enemy at the Gates and liked it, and we've both been busy with work and school (not just Kit, I've been helping her with some homework recently as a good intended husband of a student should) the past few days. Speaking of school, some rather bad news for Jammer- he got his law school midterms for this semester back and didn't do well at all. If he doesn't improve on the next round…oh well, he intends to and we all know he can. Stephanie's giving birth draws closer every day, yesterday she began a two month maternity leave from her job at Ross. Keith says their apartment is ready for Peter, with one exception- he still needs to go on a major baby food and formula shopping spree. :) Gubio has gotten a job offer from Eidos Interactive, the Austin-based company that made the great game Deus Ex last year, and is seriously considering it. If he takes it, you might see the name M. Alex Cleary in the credits for Deus Ex 2. <grins> Shauna remains swamped with tax work, Tricia with architecture midterms (that department of UT tends to schedule theirs at different times from the others for some reason), and Elena's finished moving in with Boris after backing out of her apartment's lease thanks to a mean and lazy landlord she didn't want to deal with anymore. Not that anyone blames her, of course. :) Hope all of you are doing okay as well, I'll get on with replies now.

GXB: <chuckles> Hey, Kit and I are pro-gun moderates. We're not ashamed. :) Again, thanks for your support last week. <Superman> I agree with you, let's go find that guy and take him out. <transforms into an exact duplicate of Doomsday so the death blow can be assured, then lumbers after the axe-bearing GXB>

Lain: Good luck finding the spidey alert's source, I get those too sometimes- usually before momentous events in my life. Congrats on finishing those essays, you should be proud of yourself. I used to have to clear my schedule whenever I had one and really committ to it just to get it done. Now I'm glad to have them off my plate forever. Short of helping Kit with one, of course. <laughs> Congrats on having Lynati there with you also, it sounds like y'all are having a great time together. Hope she stays around long enough so Valentine can arrive and also join in the fun. So do I, every night. Kit's also brunette, prefers her hair windswept and finger-combed, and is a very frisky sleeper. :) <no house next year> Ack, my condolences on that. I hope you find a place to stay somewhere somehow. If you lived closer to Austin, Kit and I would be happy to help. <sigh>

Happy Belated Birthday Winterwolf! Do you feel any older, friend? :) Thanks again for the good words on the home and the prayers to Sarah. <Kit withdrawal> Um, yeah, I do think I kinda went through that for a while. There was a lot of pain, so memories are sketchy. But she's back and I'm over it now. :) Cool nickname origin.

Warpmind: I like more to get right in the monster's face and unload serious firepower while dodging its claws. In God Mode of course just in case of a misstep. <chuckles>But long range has its charms too, with a sniper rifle scope especially. :) <substituting the ogre with his boss> I wouldn't mind doing something like that. Now, if I can only find some way to snap certain bad officers' and irritating customers' pictures without them noticing and/or complaining…:) Congrats on being recovered from your illness, good luck dealing with your sister- I'm sorry to hear the two of you don't have a close beneficial fun relationship like me and mine. I too am annoyed by that immigration technicality you mentioned. :(

Christine: <chuckles about pink underpants> Glad to hear you've finally finished up Archmage, and another fanfic story also. :) I hope soon to read them both. <Dark Tower> I have thought of reading those books but never found the time. Now on Kit's recommendation I stay away from them. :) <arguments bit> Well said. <claps> I hate to say I have to agree with you. :(

DPH: Good luck to your ex with the divorce, and to you with both your job and those original stories. I will begin reading them as soon as I'm done with Imzadi's (right now, I'm wondering if the first Demona love scene in it will ever end :).

Firestorm: Sorry to hear about your arrythmia, I too wish you good luck with it. :( <Empire Records> I would definitely not mind a collection set like you described for that movie. I agree with Kit, it's pretty good- the script, the acting, the music, the cute girl in the blue sweater…ok, I've said enough. :) Good point about commentary tracks on DVDs, I too would really like to see more interesting and fewer boring "I really liked working on this movie, this movie is cool because…, blah blah blah" ones. :P <Male Fantasy> Glad that you and Lady Mystic are acknowledging that such fantasies exist among you and dealing with them as fantasies, not to be taken seriously. It ain't the same for some couples I know. :( Your stance on them, while different from Kit's and mine, is a commendable one. May you stay together forever. :) <cultural diversity> Good points, hope intriguing responses are made.

SJ: I saw a Dilbert today that was kinda poetic given recent events in here. His date tells him he doesn't give his opinion on anything, and asks if he's spineless. He replies by saying "maybe you create an environment where giving an opinion is an invitation to unnecessary and unwanted pain." Now can you see why I didn't give my opinion in regards to this whole Fred problem before? Thank you so much for forcing it out of me. :( Thanks for clarifying Fred's viewpoint also, I have to say though that it is hard to see that a person has no problem with sex in fiction when they're making the kind of attacks on people who put it in there that he was. I think he should have concentrated on stating his point more than attacking the people he disagreed with on the argument's subject. I can agree with him about porn not being good literature, but damning people just because they write it? :( Same here, brother! I throw up every time I even think about eating that crud. :( I also agree with you about CTHD (though I can see where Imzadi's opinion comes from also, it had a great story and acting, cool stunts also, but plot holes and overblown disbelief expectations were present too), people who blame Bush for the bad state of the economy, Internet stocks in free services (companies with the possibility of financial success should sell stock, but non-profit organizations?), and OPEC (major common sense rule of business- you should never stop supplying to your best customer the thing they want most!). I can't say I agree with you about Greenspan though, I've been respecting and having confidence in the man too long. If he proves my emotions misplaced, well, I may withdraw them, but for now I'll wait and see if he can pull us out of this mess the economy's in. I wish him luck.

Denis: Happy Belated Birthday, friend! Again, well-said bit to Fred. I agree that it's his problem, I'm not dealing with it anymore. I'd like to have him as a friend, yeah, but if a friend is treating people unjustly and unfairly, and ignoring all attempts by his friends to point this out and warn him as to the consequences in no small part out of concern for him, well, friendship can only go so far if you know what I mean. :( I hope that Fred, wherever he is, is reading over your, Kit's, and my words to him and thinking seriously about them and his recent verbal terrorism. If not, well, like you said, it's his problem. Like you, I'm backing out of that discussion now. And no time too soon, part of me thinks. :( <comic> Alright, congrats! :) I too want to be reading this comic when it comes out. If you can let us know a release date it'd be appreciated. Good luck producing a fine finished product, as I'm sure you will. Congrats on being able to attend the Gathering too, I wish Kit and I could be there also and join in the fun.

Jannie: Congrats on getting a good home market value, I wish you the best of luck selling it. <school shootings bit> You know, I can empathize with that girl. I didn't want to mention that or how I could last week (I tend to have more courage when Kit's around than when she's not), but I will now. I remember a guy in my high school class who spread rumors around the school that he was a tough gang member because he thought it would make others think he was cool. Instead it made them afraid of him, they blew the rumors out of proportion by guessing that he might be plotting their deaths (he wasn't, but try telling them that!), and he almost got expelled until he told the understanding principal the true facts and his motivations. Then he had to waste a lot of his time seeing a psychologist and deal with anger and worry from his parents, teachers, peers, everyone. :( Now that student is me. That episode happened over a year before Columbine, so things are of course worse now, especially for that girl you mentioned. :( I definitely do not like that her safe haven is gone, and now she lives with so much panic and fear. :( My best advice would be for her to switch schools if possible, there must be other high schools in the town where she can fit in better, build anew a life for herself. In the meantime, she should do her best to ignore the harassment, pick up the trash in her yard, have her parents and the hopefully sympathetic administration shout down the unjustly panicked parents calling the school and explain things to them (let's pray it works like it did for me with similarly concerned parents), and just live on as best she can. It will require a great deal of courage, if she doesn't have it now I'm sure developing it will be worthwhile. <sighs> Whatever happens, like I said last week I'm keeping this girl in my prayers. Her and every other young person in a similar situation. We need to bring back the time when school and friendship were safe environments. I don't know how we can do it, but we must do it and soon.

Imzadi: Thanks for making Lady Mystic post more with that relationship discussion- y'all made many interesting points also. <grin> Congrats on being able to enjoy your Fridays, hope you always are. :) <whip noise> You know, it's really not like that. Kit and I fight a lot more often than we like to show in here. She wins as often as I do, which is rare- usually we compromise. I have confidence that we'll carry on with that in our marriage and there will be no need for whips. Glad your job's continuing to go well. I'm currently enjoying your fic, though it's a bit long and full of summarized development. I'll probably draft feedback and send it to you Sunday night. <balancing act> Well put. I have often had to suffer through such debates with myself, recently especially. :(

SOROW: Well, we missed each other. <sigh> Glad you've decided to attend UT though, I know you, Kit, and me will have lots of fun together once you're up here. Just let us know when you're coming and we'll prepare a humongous welcoming party. :) <get out of this town> I know how that feels. At the end of my high school time I was so tired of Beaumont I had to escape it and thus started college in the summer. You can always do the same if you want, but of course you may not have the money for that. :( Congrats on making a very important decision about your future, I'm sure it will work out well. As for your current bad mood, well, I'm sure it'll pass. You probably did a lot better on your AP midterm than you think. Here's hoping anyway. On the girls not making tryouts, well, you clearly said they weren't listening to you, so it's their problem, not yours. <moment of silence for dead classmates> My condolences on your dead friend, especially on you having to miss the funeral. I'm sure they know you mourn them wherever they are now and they understand. As for your friends ditching you, well, would it be cliched to say they were never really your friends? <grimaces> Be assured, with us that will never happen. Not with me or Kit anyway. So perk up, you still have some support out there. I'm sure one of these days you will be again happy enough to take back your throne. Like you I hope it happens soon. There, does that cheer you up? If not, maybe this will. <long hard hug>

Mandi: <grimaces> Sorry to hear about the death of your English professor, condolences. I too have heard about professors whose classes I enjoyed passing on (Paul English, geography, was the most recent) and every time I feel as sad as I'm sure you are. <silent for a time> Oh well, death comes for all of us and we can always cherish the memories. I wish you good luck in doing that.

Aingeal: I don't think you're shallow and rotten either. That guy's head obviously needs to be removed from a certain other part of his body and his eyes need to be opened to the good person you are. If he couldn't see that you were a good person, well, shame on him and forget the guy. Move on and live your life with your real friends, like Archwolf and us in here. If the guy you liked whose best friend the jerk is really wants to be friends with you, he'll find some way to approach you independent of his jerk pal's actions (and probably dump the jerk pal also)- you can have confidence in that. And if it doesn't happen, well, you can always find other better friends elsewhere, much as it is painful sometimes to have to do that. :( Hope that makes you feel a little better, I don't really know what else to say.

Dreamie: A <moment of silence> for and condolences on your grandfather's passing. The way he passed on tops my list of ways I would definitely never want to die. :( I hope he's in a better place now. I like the Ambrose Bierce line you mentioned (another great high school yearbook quote I've heard too late!:P ). <wedding ring, Loves Dreamie> Good luck. :)

Lynati: I too have had to deal with late buses, but never on the scale you did recently. <shakes head> Oh well, you're with Lain now, so the trip was worth it. Hope the fun quotient stays high for however much longer your visit is, and that you don't have quite as many delays on the trip back home (if you do, boycott Greyhound).

Beth H: Good luck getting the right housing for your college life. Good luck also with the EPT, your upcoming date, and especially your sister. If she ruins your date somehow, I think you would be justified in cussing her out at the least. (If there's a catfight, please try to tape it and send me a copy. I enjoy watching catfights. :)

Ravyn, Coyote: Way to snuff the candle! <grin>

**SPOILERS FOR TGS, LONE GUNMEN**
I too enjoyed the conclusion to the Council arc. There were good bits with all the various clans that further their respective plot threads, Darius and the Druj made good if brief antagonists, and we got some very well-written development on Demona and Goliath as well. Liked the use of Balinos in the former development bit, always good to have an unexpectedly interesting side character show up. :) Very nice progression and emotional display in Goliath's development, Hudson and Xanatos were used well in it to show his progress and Vinnie was used well once again as an example of a good human on the gargoyles' side. Didn't like how the Chinese clan still refuses to accept the possible merits of humanity, but their close-mindedness was shown well and good job writing and building their characters, Robby. Good job with the Persian clan as well- Tamora, Darius, and Balthasar were showcased and developed well enough to make me wonder about their characters and learn more about them and their clan. Hope we learn more soon. Icarus and Delilah had some good bits as well, the progress of their relationship was written nicely and it was good to see Icarus acknowledging his snooty attitude. I still don't like that he has it, but that's beside the point. Enjoyed reading his takes on Goliath, the Council, and New Olympus, they summed up matters very well. Kylie's acknowledgment of her impending death was expected but well-inserted and -written, I think she's having a good impact on things in this world even though her time of leaving it is not far off. :( Less enjoyable development for Lex, I liked his positive spotlight and the dialogue with Aurora and Kirstie (the relationship development with the latter was also nicely done) but think their character development and scenes were a bit too predictable and comic-relief. Good pic of the three from Lexy, however- it looks almost true animation-quality. :) Nice choreography on the fight scenes, I think the battle was ended a little too conveniently but still enjoyed the way it was and Darius as a villain. The meeting's sum-up at the end was nicely written too, it gave us readers a good sense of accomplishment and development thanks to the Council happening- something I didn't get when the characters were bogged down in verbal conflict before. Good to see that over with by the end. :) Nice foreshadowing of future plots also with clans trading members and Kirstie & Aurora wanting to see more of the world. Overall, 9/10, kudos to Lexy on great artwork, Robby on great writing (and I'm sure artwork as well), and the whole staff on a good outline and almost-perfect editing (Ambrosia pointed out the only nit I noticed). May everyone keep up the good work!

Lone Gunmen: I too have to admit I actually enjoyed the show Sunday night. The script was well-written with many unexpected developments and good use of all the main characters and their personalities. Jimmy and Eva make a fun duo with nice chemistry. <grin> Liked seeing the Gunmen's childhoods as well, they made an interesting counterpoint to their adult lives. The water-powered car and its possible consequences and uses were intriguing too, after watching the episode I have changed my mind about hoping such a machine gets invented someday. :( Good antagonist, nice emotional displays and acting- the only real nit was we still got that campy humor I don't generally like much. But this time it was kinda endearing. <shrugs> I'll see if it can remain so in the episodes ahead.
**END SPOILERS, PART 1**
Doug - [DougElder21@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:12:13 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.166.dlls.grid.net

Kitainia/Josh- Thanks! *blushes* Well I just signed on so I hope I can do more piccies! *loves piccies most when Lex is in'um!!* *Grins* *scampers out*
Lexy
Friday, March 23, 2001 12:08:40 AM
IP: ac900e70.ipt.aol.com

<<this CR is gonna get *BIG* before I can wipe it again.>>

Ooooh!!! Quick, everyone post a bunch of song lyrics to make Kaioto have a meltdown!!!

lain, get out your Tori Amos collection and start typing!!!!
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:42:56 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Well, my computer situation has just been getting worse and worse the last
few weeks... First my laptop's keyboard stops working so I can't even log in
online or do any writing on it, only to then shut down completely thus
killing my copy of Photoshop... Then my scanner decided it doesn't want to
scan. Then my e-mail decided it didn't want to work. And now, on top of all
that, my damn new dog CHEW THROUGH the mouse cord on my computer, thus
rendering the entire thing as useless as it would be if it just shut down
completley. And as I have no money and my dad is out of town, it will be a
good deal of time before it can be replaced... So now I'm restricted to this
ancient Mac of mine with a friggin 13K modem... but the big problem is
this... This computer doesn't have the information I need to wipe the CR,
and I just can't remember the exact place I have to go to wipe it, as I've
just been using a bookmark for the last two years. And as near as I know,
nobody else has it written down, so... The CR wipe may be REEEEALLY late
this week. As in not until next week. So, unless I can find someone on
staff who actually has the info written down, this CR is gonna get *BIG*
before I can wipe it again. I'm warning you all now, as you may want to
switch to the text only version if your computer can't keep up, and those
that RP may want to hold off on it for a little while, ditto for frivilous
one line posts that just say "Check your e-mail" or something...
I'd give DC a killing or eight that he deserves right about now, but then the
room would go up another 100K...
MrNoying
Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:30:48 PM
IP: ac900e70.ipt.aol.com

Ed: Your from Canada, correct?
<Well baseball is pretty perplexing to me>
Honestly, I don't understand (well...) the interest in sports either.

It can be a little wierd.
Freshman is grade 9
Sophomore is grade 10
Junior is grade 11
Senior is grade 12
Why it is like that, I have no idea.
<No schools apparently have uniforms>
No PUBLIC schools. Private schools, yes.
<if TV is to be believed, students are allowed to run out as soon as the bell goes>
More or less, yes.
How is it for you?
<Or there’s why you can drive at 16 but not drink until 21 in some states>
Drinking is 21 all over the US, smoking is 18.
You can serve in the military at 18, but can't drink until your 21.
WIERD.
<or the love of guns>
THAT, they are the physical representation of our desire to control our government, but even deeper, they represent the desire to control power and one's destiny.

Aaron: 
Hmm... should I make the joke about the leather face mask or not...
<Oh Nox, you fall into Spring of Drowned Martha Stewart>
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONSIQUENCES OF THAT?!?!?!?
In a few thousand years, some poor sap will fall into that pool and the hell-spawn that is Martha will be reborn!
(And she will bore everone to death with her boring talking.)

Daniel Johnson: <Urr, I'd better stop now before this gets well over $2000, let alone $1000>
Hell, other than the Gforce3, that system can be made for under $1000 too. Even with 512mb of ram!
(1GB of ram is about $280)

Imzadi: <To my knowledge, non-magnetic metals are best for blocking EMP's, but apparently really thick iron is also good. NORAD does, in fact, use steel>
To me, at least, it would seem that magnetic metals or very good conductor metals would be the best.
<but NORAD uses sheet steel. I'd trust their judgement...I mean...they're NORAD!>
Yeah... but I don't have the budget for a 18" thick steel bunker. I am more looking for shielding less than 2" thick TOTAL.
<By all means, blow it away. That store isn't worthy to sell macs>
Let them sell Packard Hell's and WebTV!
(Who WOULD you have sell iMacs?)
<And you will be forever protected from dating...>
If it keeps LM's love in, mission acomplished!
<Good points on a new machine for Gunjack>
True, true.
Can you purchase iMac motherboards and processors?

Sarge: A laptop for under $1000?
Take what you can get. Seriously. Laptops are expensive.
And add ram. First thing. NOTHING less than 128mb on a Windows laptop.
If you want a laptop for gaming... Well, if you are talking Command and Conquor type games, a $1000 would be fine.
Quake? GFL.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:00:49 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Imzadi - Yes, I probably could dig up backgroundless stuff off of old CD's... just let me know what you are looking for! :)

Shinigami - RE: Make out session behind the lockers. You KNOW how jealous I get when I have to share you! LOL (BTW.. I just got a GREAT Xelloss/Filia/Valgaav Doujinshi that you have GOT to see!!)

CrzyDemona - [crzy_demona@art-chicks.com]
Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:45:05 PM
IP: 1cust81.tnt2.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Lemme see..... I went to bed at 1:00.... I got up at seven and drank mocha, drove to school in snowy conditions, did horribly on a unit FRQ, learned that YESTERDAY the reason we had two fire drills was because of a bomb threat, drove for driver's Ed and did not do so well, forgot to read chapters in a book for today, my parents were late in picking me up, A foot of HEAVY WET SNOW fell on my drivway and I was the only one able to pick it up because my brother was rammed into the wall by a kid at school, and a branch fell down and nearly broke the window....

Can this day get ANY better?

FIRESTORM>> Nah.....I wanna keep old maccy here..... what I RALLY want is a LAB TOP! So I can write anywhere I want! Prefferbly I want it before April Vacation when I go to Europe. =P A WEEK WITHOUT MY COMPUTER?!?!?!?!? AUGHHHHHHHH

SORROW>> Oh wow....I'm so sorry. I know how you feel. Our school goes through car death a lot. In the time I've been at school, four teenagers have died, three of them by car accident and it is a little heart wrentching when you know the person. As for the AP classes... I know how frustrating it is. My AP History class is doing as well as a C...and I am so very anxious about the last test and the research paper. They are not fun at all.

Do not ask me why I'm signing up for three more next year..... =P

Don't worry, you'll do fine. I know it's a tough road right now, but you pull through and you'll make it. I hope you well....=)

Sarge

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, Vermont, USA
Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:17:27 PM
IP: ac8a027c.ipt.aol.com

SOROW> **hugs** :)
Ravyn
Thursday, March 22, 2001 09:44:07 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

I'm sorry guys, but I have nothing positive to post today. I had a horrible day and I just want to curl up and die. I honestly don't know how I was ever called the Happy Queen in here cause I've been anything *but* happy since last August. I almost cried in front of my team today because they wouldn't listen, I know I failed my AP Economics test and had to miss a friend's funeral to finish the damn thing (two of my classmates died last week in car accidents), I just went to a football game and left early cause all my "friends" ditched me, and none of my pep squad girls made cheerleading tryouts. Since I no longer have any affectionate person in my life, I must turn to you all for help. I need to hear something positive right about now. Everyone please post a positive thing for the next day or so. Love ya.
SOROW
Thursday, March 22, 2001 09:24:01 PM
IP: a020-0465.dll2.splitrock.net

In 24 hours, I will be on a flight home!!!! I can't wait. Now, the big question: should I go to a midnight madness event at Macmall and pick up a copy of OS X at midnight the day its released and possibly win some free stuff? Or should I wait until I can actually USE the operation system this summer and spend only $70 for it (it retails for $130) and get to sleep friday night?

In other news, I got my geology midterm back today and found out that I only did slightly worse than the mean, which is MUCH better than I thought I'd do. Meanwhile, I found out that I really didn't do all that well on my physics midterm...we'll see that grade after break.

Firestorm: Okay it appears from my sources that copper can, in fact, block an EMP. No one in their right mind would use DPU because its radioactive! To my knowledge, non-magnetic metals are best for blocking EMP's, but apparently really thick iron is also good. NORAD does, in fact, use steel (it's nickname is "steel boat built upside down in a mountain"). Turns out there are a number of methods of EMP shielding and it all depends on a million factors, but NORAD uses sheet steel. I'd trust their judgement...I mean...they're NORAD! <>: By all means, blow it away. That store isn't worthy to sell macs. <<my computer room would be safe from damn near anything>>: And you will be forever protected from dating... 8-) Good points on a new machine for Gunjack.

Lain: I don't wanna know about your battery operated weasel...there's a euphamism if ever I heard one...

Gunjack: <<Sorry, Imzy>>: No offense taken...but I have to say that VPC FLIES on a G4. I can't wait to get my own g4 chip. Have fun with your new machine. Stay away from the big names, especially you have a high enough IQ to troubleshoot your own machine. I'd say an Athalon (cheaper, more reliable than Intel), and a gig of ram should run you about $300-400. HD's are cheap also, might as well go all out. A 75GB deskstar is about $600. I don't know much about graphics cards, I'm not much of a gamer. Hopefully my TiBook will have a GeForce2go in it by summer. Best of luck.

SJ: CTHD should burn in hell. What a stupid movie. That movie went beyond The Matrix in defying believability. Gravity, folks. Gravity should WORK unless there's a good explanation why it doesn't (a.k.a. you are a hacker in a 3-d quake style game, despite what you think!). There character development was terrible, and the plot had more holes in it than a block of swiss cheese. Personally, I thought Roberts was pretty good in Brockovich (sp?). If you think "plain chinese chicks" are hot, you should consider coming to school at Berkeley. True that Crowe deserves to win. <<internet stocks>>: So true. I have never invested in any internet stocks. I've bought into companies that actually MAKE something, even though they are computer companies (Apple, Texas Insturments, M$, Intel, etc). But those stocks have tanked too, and with little good reason. Good points about the porn industry. The only reason Israel wouldn't have to kiss Saddam's butt is because he would have waporized their asses. Sad, but true. Iraelis would go down fighting and never surrender, which explains why they kick so much ass in every war they participate in. You know Israel's fighter pilots have never lost a single F-15? <<I'll become a cannibal before I start eating tofu>>: AMEN BROTHER! <<Christine>>: I confess to putting Christine on a pedestal when it comes to fanfic (you read how much I gaped and awed when she commented on my icons), but that doesn't automatically mean I'll take her side in anything. If I find out that she's a total bitch who stands for everything I stand against (so far that hasn't happened), then fine. Won't stop me from reading her fics and loving them, but doesn't mean I'll always agree with her. Brilliant comments all around, SJ.

GXB: <<Kryptonite axe>>: best of luck hunting down blue-spandex boy...

Beth H: Sorry about your sis being home. I'm going home tomorrow and my brother is probably none too excited about it.

Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
- Rich Cook

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, March 22, 2001 09:23:46 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-152-127.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

GREG BISHANSKY - You're not the only one who was far from enthusiastic about that Bruce Timm quote, I can assure you; the "Celtic mythology" part was one of the things that I liked most about the series. (And the impression that I got from it when that quote was shown in the regular Station 8 comment room was that the criticism wasn't so much of the use of Oberon's Children and Avalon but rather of the gargoyles themselves - at least, as living gargoyles originally hailing from medieval Scotland.)

Incidentally, that remark of his may have been one of the germs for that twisted little creativity demon that I had in the Station 8 comment room last year of Disney revising "Gargoyles" so that the gargs would be humans in high-tech gargoyle armor replacing the original gargoyles after the Quarrymen had wiped out the entire species.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 22, 2001 08:49:15 PM
IP: 216.87.46.16.dialup-stl.primary.net

*Trenchcoat Layn enters, clutching a video tape*

oooh, Valen-tiiiiinnnneeee!!! We have a surprise for yooouuuuu!!!
*grins maniacally*

James Birdsong: ...EXO-SQUAD??!!!!!
*bounces up and down in excitement at mention of series name*
AHA!!we KNEW more people than us and Erin had ever heard of that (oh-so-wonderful)show!! :D:D:D:D:D:D

Sev Jr.: Hey. Don't knock Scott Bakula. Quantum Leap ruled.
(yeah, so, okay, he hasn't done anything worth mentioning since then...but,IMO, he still kicks ass.)

Valentine: Layn never said her reasons for wanting you and lain to breed were *purely* selfish.
(...just to clarify.)

Warpmind: heeyyy!! *hugs* how are things? we are still recovering...but lain is a GREAT lain and has been striving to make us all better.
...and despite the fact that we inadvertantly made us sick, too. :|

lain also has no house in which to live next year because her apartment-buddy backed out and everyone else has nice housemates that didnt so she is very sad indeed. she thinks that she should just live in a box under the bridge and just as long as she can get an internet connection all should be well.

sevarius again: after proving the big bang theory using the bible we can do anything in the universe believe us.. (half-hearted bwa ha ha)
PS whose this Bruce Campbell fellow anyways?????
*Layn promptly smacks self and explains*
Ow.

*Exits, doing a little dance to Nelly Furtata*
Trenchcoat Layn
wait, THIS is isn't Scandanavia...
Thursday, March 22, 2001 08:45:05 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Awww God. My sister is home for spring break. >:(
Beth H.
Thursday, March 22, 2001 08:43:02 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Thanks Winterwolf for the well wishes, but the car was totaled (seeing as how the front bumper is crushed back to about where the tires are). I'm hoping to have a new tank-car soon.

::yawns:: anyone know someplaces I can get Photoshop 6 and Flash 5 (and anyother design software) for cheap (max $100 or so each)? I need them for work im trying to get done... thanks.

Val- get a custom computer... as others have said.. it IS cheaper.. tho you do lose the tech support. i did, and tho I've had trouble I'd not trade this baby.

::waves and flies off for a bit to get things done::
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades, not as sore
Thursday, March 22, 2001 08:23:27 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Gunjack:
Urr, brain fart. That's a Maxtor drive, not Matrox. Duh. And I agree with Fire Storm's suggestions except that while the Radeon is a great card--I have one--the GeForce is the ultimate gaming card.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Thursday, March 22, 2001 08:10:45 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-66-131.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

SJ> Hey, I enjoy your rants. :) Although Alan Greenspan did pretty much balk on the recent rate cut according to expectations, I do respect him highly for the economic decisions he's made in the past. Hopefully he can get us out of this little economic weirdness. And I hate to imagine anyone else but him as Chairman of the Fed.

Plus, as the resident CR college basketball freak, I have to defend CBS's endless showing of the NCAA tournament. ;) I personally enjoy their coverage, and I love this time of the year...March Madness is just a fun time for college basketball fans, and being able to see all the games is just wonderful. I think most likely that the tournament is more interesting to those who have a team still in it, though, so I can see how you'd lose interest since GMU's gone. For me, I'm still excited, since Arizona's still in it, and I love gluing myself to the TV (no, not literally!) ;) to watch every minute that I can of basketball this time of year. I can analyze tons of games and styles, and watch teams play their hearts out for the love of the game...personally, I'd have to say that it's much better than the NBA. :)

College Basketball Rant> Okay, just a general trend I'm noticing...anyone else following the tournament realize how strong a showing the PAC-10 conference is having this year? Except for Cal (sorry, Imzadi! ;) ), all the PAC 10 schools are still in the big dance, and going strong. Heck, right now at halftime, USC is whippin' on Kentucky. So how about some recognition by those eastern sportswriters for the western teams, eh? Go, PAC 10! I'm anxiously awaiting to see UCLA against Duke later, and of course, I'm hugely excited for the Arizona game tomorrow. :)

Okay, that's enough for me tonight...back to basketball! :)
Ravyn
Thursday, March 22, 2001 08:02:39 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

There's a Justice League Show coming out? Oy. Sorry, but aside from Batman, and several Vertigo comics, particularly "Sandman", I can't stand D.C. comics, especially Stupid... I mean Superman... the worst comic book character ever.

But with Paul Dini, and Bruce "Gargoyles was namby pamby with all that Celtic Mythology crap" Timm in charge (I'm still p!ssed at him for that quote), it should be ok. Probably light years ahead of the "Superman" series. Probably won't be nearly as good as "Batman" when it was on Fox, or "Batman Beyond" (though that Justice League episode sucked) though, but nearly on par with WB's "Batman".

I'm probably not going to watch it though, as I don't think comics translate very well to TV. Fox's Batman being an exception. X-Men was for the first two seasons, before it got really stupid with their horrid version of the Dark Phoenix Saga.

I hope none of the above looks like I'm bashing Paul Dini's work, cause I think that "Batman" when it was on Fox was the second best animated series of the 90s, right behind "Gargoyles". Though, if I'm bashing Timm, well then fine. Frank Paur did a better job directing animation on "Batman" than Timm ever did.

Well, I'm off.

::Grabs a Kryptonite axe and wanders off to behead a certain individual in red underwear who lives in Metropolis::
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, March 22, 2001 08:01:52 PM
IP: dialin-531-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hey, if Mr. Funky Noodle can post, then so can I! :)

Funky...er...Gunjack:
I'll forgive your desire for a Windoze machine--this time. ;) Anyway, if you know what you're doing, you can always get a better deal by assembling your own machine. It depends on how important tech support is to you. :)
Since you're going with the Dark Side, I'd recommend an Athlon processor, or a Pentium 3. Stay away from the Pentium 4! Intel did Bad Things to it to get it over 1 Ghz. The instruction pipelines are ridiculously long and it's actually slower than a P3 of the same speed.
Get lots of memory. Lots. At least 256 MB. My new PowerBook G4 has 512. Memory's cheap; don't skimp.
Hard drives are also cheap; get a big honking drive. Make sure it's a 7200 RPM model. I'd recommend a 40 Gig Matrox or IBM Deskstar; they're fast, quiet, and reliable.
If you want to play games then there's no contest: get an NVidia GeForce 2 Ultra for a graphics card. Of course, the GeForce 3 will be out in a couple of months and is absolutely awesome. :) ATI Radeon isn't a bad second choice.
Unless you really want to play DVDs, get a CD-RW. My choice for a fast drive is the Sony 12x8x32x model, but you can get slower drives for much cheaper.

Urr, I'd better stop now before this gets well over $2000, let alone $1000

And I don't particularly want your pants, thank you.
----
I'd post more, but the oversized, chittering battery-operated weasel has left me traumatized. Besides, we're having a bit of thunder and Spunky wants comforting. Maybe I should rename him Courage. :P
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Thursday, March 22, 2001 07:56:30 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-66-131.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

***BEGIN RP***
The House of Sevarius Jr.

Kari stood on the sidewalk outside of Sevarius Jr.'s home. She was debating whether or not to go up and knock on the door.
She had gone through a lot with SJ….and though the events of the past few weeks had left their romance in a rather disenchanted state….she knew that ultimately she cared for him. And she could not make such a decision as the one Ethan Mercurius had offered her without at least talking to Junior.
Much of what the other Avatar had said intrigued her. The very thought of more Avatars in the world, willing to fight for justice and honor, interested her. She wanted to know more about them, and her place in their close society. And most of all, she wanted her powers back. She had grown accustomed to them….it was as if they were a part of her now, and without them she did not feel entirely whole. But leaving with Ethan for Europe was a big step to take, and she wanted to talk it over with SJ. Perhaps…perhaps he would go with her. Their relationship needed a lot of work before it was healthy again, but if he accompanied her to Greece, perhaps things could be saved.
With a nervous sigh, she moved towards the front door.
***PAUSE RP****

Tonight's edition of the SJ post is titled "The Blame Game", in which I point fingers at all of society's problems and yell at people for it. It's about a few things that have been on my mind lately.

The Economy: Well, it looks like we're in a recession again. All of the bleeding heart pinko dickheads are quick to point fingers at Bush. I hate to break it to you, but the man's been in office for all of 2 months, so it's not his fault. Frankly, Al "The Golden Child" Gore would be facing the same thing if he was running the show right now.

I blame 2 sources-the Internet stocks, and Alan Greenspan.

First off, who in their right mind would invest in internet stocks? Yahoo is a freakin' search engine. You're gonna bet your kid's college fund on a web page that's only good for finding the best Anna Kournikova nudie sites? Now, if you're talking about investing in an internet porn site-okay, I understand. Porn will ALWAYS be a big industry. It's the only industry on the internet that's actually making any goddamn money. But if you bet the bank on the success of Amazon.com, I have little sympathy.

And Alan Greenspan…what a dickless wonder. Virtually EVERYONE who know what's doing with the economy said that the country needed a ¾ interest rate cut. Greenspan, fearing that we'll all wise up and realize that he's just Oz behind the curtain and not this economic wunderkind, gives us a ½ rate cut, and the stock market promptly plunges 200 points.

So this is just what I need as I'm about to entire the workforce in a short amount of time, recession and high unemployment rates.

And on the heels of our economic woes, OPEC, those assholes, decide to yet again cut down on the amount of oil they sell. Ahem.
You bastards. If I could rip out your throats with my bare teeth, I would. We went over there, we kicked Saddam's ass for you. If we hadn't kicked Iraq ass and took names, than right now the whole goddamn Middle East (except for maybe Israel) would be having to kiss Hussein's bloated posterior. You little pricks, you us some oil.

AND on top of that, we Americans now have to worry about Hoof and Mouth disease in the cows we eat. Apparently, the Europeans can't keep their livestock disease free, so now, should our own supply get contaminated, I may have to become a vegetarian. (Actually I won't. I'll become a cannibal before I start eating tofu on a regular basis.)
I know there's a few Europeans amongst us….what's the deal? Is it the hygiene? Look, we know the French don't bath, but c'mon. We can't eat any European beef now because of you guys. Let me introduce you and your animals to a wonderful technology that was created some time ago-it's called soap.
I want to desparately to make a certain reference to the romantic practices of Irishmen and sheep, but a certain troll would just love to make an example out of me.

AND on top of that, you have the Black Berets. Say, is Green Baron going to get a Black beret?
I am Johnny Patriot, and this is maybe the most PUSSY move I can ever think of. Giving everyone black berets to "improve moral". Jesus F'ing Christ. You wanna improve moral? How about giving the army funding (most of which was taken away thanks to our illustrious ex-Commander in Chief, Bill Clit-on….no that's NOT a typo.). How about raising the salary for the guys who may be called upon to sacrifice their lives for us. No, you want to give them black berets just to make them feel good about themselves. That's the biggest BS I've ever heard.
And I know, I've heard people say "what's the big deal? It's just a piece of clothing." You don't get the principle of it. It's disrespect. It's taking something that was a symbol of the Rangers, something that meant something, and now you're taking it and you're stripping it of everything that gave it significance just so some little asswipe private can say "hey, I got myself a black beret! Whoo hoo!". They should be ashamed of themselves for letting this happen. Apparently, we have too many goddamn politicians in our armed forces now, instead of real soldiers.
It's times like this I wish Patton was still alive. He'd take whoever came up with this stupid idea, rip off their head and use their skull as a toilet.

And I'm sick of the goddamn basketball games on my TV. I mean, it's not as if I watched anything on that godawful CBS channel anyway (other than Survivor), but the basketball is boring me. Now that my beloved GMU is out of the running (George Evans, God smiles upon you), I could care less who wins.
Well, that's not true. I want someone to murder Maryland. Vengeance!!!

Christine: Well, my whole point is that, at least in my opinion, there are a disproportionate number of people who find "your side" to have merit and those who find Fred's side to have merit. A sizeable proportion of the fandom will always set you and a few others on a pedestal, whether deserving or not, and as such there will always be a greater number of people who will agree with "your side" (or at the very least, not disagree) than they will with Fred, or myself, or basically anyone with a dissenting opinion, on any given issue. It's less a matter of right or wrong than it is whom people choose to applaud and whom people choose to ignore/rebuke. I would disagree; it's less personal opinion than it is public opinion, and I think we both know who's going to win that one.

You're dead right about one thing, though-this is not the end of the argument.

***Entertainment Info!!!****
There's quite a bit of things going on in the world of entertainment lately, so let's get to them promptly, shall we?!

First off, the new animated "Justice League of America" show is coming along nicely. The show, which will debut on the Cartoon Network this fall (reportedly in a **prime-time** slot) November to be exact, is being completed as we speak. Bruce Timm, along with the genius-that-is Paul Dini (and my God, wouldn't I love him to do a Gargoyles series. Jesus, it would maybe be the best thing ever to hit animation), is in currently in Korea overseeing production. The format of the show may be either a hour in length (!) or the standard 30 minutes.
As for the content of the show, the series will feature character-specific episodes. One episode will follow Wonder Woman, another Aquaman, and yet another Green Lantern (who will be voiced by Phillip LaMarr, currently doing voice chores on Static Shock). Fortunately, a sub-plot will run throughout the series that will culminate in a big finale. Unfortunately, we will not be seeing the alter egos of the superheroes; no Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne, just their superhero identities. On the plus side, there's a chance that we may see the Injustice Gang (but here's hoping for the Legion of Doom!!), and the series will take place in the same universe as the previous Batman / Superman shows. Best of all-No Wonder Twins. Thank God, maybe someone is answering my prayers.

But speaking of abominable creations…..The Star Trek franchise is steaming right along. The rumor now is that Scott "I haven't been in anything good since Quantum Leap" Bakula may be in the running to play the captain in the upcoming fifth Trek series.
And the 10th Star Trek movie will most likely be the Next Generation's last. The plot will allegedly center around "a supreme and hopefully memorable villain. There's some cloning involved, and there are also a lot of Romulans involved." Berman's own words.
Jesus, this is the best they can come up with? I would hope that "supreme" villain meant Q, but the "hopefully memorable" part eliminates that, because Q already IS memorable. And clones??? You know you're in dire straits when you start ripping off a bloated windbag like George Lucas. Somebody get a shovel and dig up Roddenbury, because I'm dead certain that he, as a dead man, could do more with the franchise than these idiots.

Now, to switch focus and talk about GOOD science fiction, there's a little more info on the new Babylong 5 movie. JMS has posted some new info about the upcoming teleflick. What I find most promising is that he says it's the pilot for a "likely" new series. I love that "likely" part, because it gives me hope that the Sci Fi channel will then have 2 good original shows on their channel (the first being Farscape). The movie will be called "The Legend of the Rangers: To Live and Die in Starlight", and will take place 3 years after the events in "Objects at Rest". One major B5 character (a "fan favorite") will star, and the movie / new show will be more of an adventure series with heavy drama foundation. We'll be seeing new ships, new designs, and more of the Minbari. The film begins in mid-May.
JMS also hinted that he has another new show in the works, one that is all set to begin production with a full season worth of episodes ready to shoot, but he's waiting until after the potential actor's strike to go forward with it. In the interim, you can get all of your JMS goodness from Bab 5 reruns (on the Sci Fi, check local listings for time) and his comic writing ventures-Rising Stars, the equally wonderful Midnight Nation, and Amazing Spider-Man (after 2 ½ years of Howard Mackie, perhaps we'll get some good stories now).

On the Buffy front….things are not looking good for the WB and Buffy. The show is up for grabs at this point, and WB is not….shall we say, ingratiating themselves with Joss Whedon. As the New York Daily News recently reported, Joss was very upset by some of the remarks of WB exec Jamie Kellner, so upset that he may be willing to move the show to another network. Kellner said, about Buffy, and I quote: "It's not our no 1 show. It's not a show like 'ER' that stands above the pack."
Folks, this is yet more proof that Hollywood execs don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. It's stupid too, because I can speak with all honesty when I say that if the WB lost Buffy and Angel, than I would pretty much cease to watch the network in its entirety (outside of the WB Saturday morning lineup. What am I going to watch, Roswell or Dawson's Creek? I'd rather be lobotomized, thank you very much). Joss had some good points to make, though. "It makes me angry to see this show belittled. For Jamie Kellner to call it a teen show and dismiss his own product angers me. It doesn't breed love."
Kellner must breed stupidity, though, to be on the verge of losing a show that does get good, solid ratings and is constantly critically acclaimed. But the WB might-apparently word is that UPN has made a very serious bid for the show, with Fox TV in the running as well.

BRUCE CAMPBELL UPDATE: Only a man so holy gets all capitals.
Bruce Campbell, my favorite actor and yours ( "The People's Actor" ), is up to a whole slew of stuff. First off, his book "If Chins Could Kill: Confessions of a B Movie Star" is set to come out this summer, as is his 20 minute documentary "Fanalysis" (a look at, well, the unwashed masses who call themselves his fans). The book is a fun, humorous look inside of Hollywood, told from his perspective. Without reading the book, I can already tell it's gonna be great, because if you've never had the chance to meet Bruce Campbell or read / hear an interview with him, you're missing out. The guy's funny, charming, and downright witty.
Yes, I am a little homo for Bruce Campbell. I am not a gay man, but if I was, I'd be tempted. ;) >.<
And he's got a whole bunch of prime movie roles coming up. He's playing the third lead in the major motion picture "Servicing Sarah" with Matthew "Hey! I'm addicted to drugs again!" Perry and Elizabeth "Can you believe that little wanker Hugh Grant wanted a whore instead of me?" Hurley (Bruce plays Hurley's "George W. Bush-like" husband). Plus he will have a cameo in the upcoming Spider-Man movie. I'd choose him for any and every role in the film, frankly, but he'll only be playing the ring announcer for the Spider-Man wrestling scene (with Randy "Macho Man" Savage! Wrestling great and Slim Jim spokesman!!!). He'll be starring also in "The Majestic" opposite screen heavies as Jim Carrey and Antonio Banderas, directed by Frank Darabont, the guy who did Shawshank Redemption and Green Mile. And, in perhaps my most eagerly anticipated Bruce project…..Bruce will be starring in "Bubba Ho Tep", a movie based upon the Joe Lansdale story. Bruce plays a crazy old guy in a rest home who thinks he's Elvis. He teams up with another crazy old guy who thinks he's JFK (played by Ossie Davis, and how a black man can think he's JFK I'll never know…) to fight an evil mummy. Yes, I'm serious. This movie sounds utterly absurd, but damn it sounds fun.
So that's your Bruce Campbell update.

And lain, if you're not too busy using Valentine and the Bible to prove the scientific theories of the world, perhaps you can help me find Biblical prove that Bruce Campbell is the other Son of God (I swear, he's got to be related. First cousin or something…).

Don't forget, the Oscars are this weekend. I'm predicting that most everyone I want to win will NOT win, and that everyone I hate and/or can't stand will walk away triumphant. For example-Julia Roberts, you have NO BUSINESS even being nominated, but you'll likely win. Tom Hanks, YOU DON'T DESERVE THIS, Russell Crowe does, but you'll likely win.

I do so hope that Ang Lee and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon will win. There's a decent shot they will, I think.

The humorous thing about CTHD is that, in China, it's NOT a popular film! Most people there thing it panders too much to the West (that means us). The film isn't doing well there, financially, even though it's passed the 100 million dollar mark here. At least the movie has been nominated for 16 HK awards. The greatest travesty, however, is that Chinese audiences do NOT find the lovely Ziyi Zhang (who is on my short list of "Celebrity Babes that will become the future Ex-Mrs. Sevarius Jr.") all that attractive (a travesty!). They claim that she looks plain by Chinese standards…..all I can say is, if she's considered a plain chick, I'm moving to China.

***RESUME RP***
The Garden.

He, the 1st Avatar, looked at Ethan. "She is hesitant to join us, isn't she?"
Ethan's brow furrowed. "It was as we feared-she is too attached to the human boy. That attachment will hinder our plans, if not tear them asunder."
"Than take care of him. You know what to do, don't you?"
Ethan nodded, and grinned wickedly. "I have just the thing in mind to poison her heart towards him."
"No," the woman said. She approached them from behind.
The first turned to her. "What is it now, Venus?"
Venus had a smile of her own. "I have a plan, my dear boys, one that will most definitely ensure that she runs straight from his arms…" She hugged herself. "And into ours. You've heard the expression, 'hell hath no fury'?"
The two men nodded.
"Wait until you see her scorn!" she laughed, and disappeared in a flash of light.
With eager anticipation, the two men quickly rushed to the reflecting pool to see what wickedness Venus was about to work.
***END RP***

Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Thursday, March 22, 2001 07:29:08 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Gunjack: In case what I said wasn't clear on this aspect:
For a high-end machine, it is better to have it built for you instead of getting a pre-fab.
You can request EXACTLY what software you want.
YOu can get any keyboard and mouse you want
You can get better speakers
etc, etc.
Fire Storm
Thursday, March 22, 2001 07:21:26 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Sarge: Looking for a new computer?
Go for the best! Either make it yourself or have someone else make it!
BUT, if you want me to make it, NO problem! (And I can use an ammo case if you want for the case!)

Check out these stats:
1.2 ghz Athlon
256mb of ram
40gb HD
ATI Raedon 32MB
Sound Blaster Live! Platinum 5.1
Windows 2000 Pro
10/100 network card
CD-RW drive
Additional CD-ROM drive (Heck, maybe even a DVD)
And the usual floppy, modem, etc.

You supply the monitor (It is cheaper that way)
I can make that for less than $1000.
Hell, I may even be able to do BETTER than that for the price!

(Compare that to Gateway! They ask for $1600)

But if you are seriously considering buying a REAL computer (IE a gaming system), PLEASE consider someone other than the big companies (Dell, Gateway, HP, Compaq, ETC.)
You get more for your money with smaller companies.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 22, 2001 07:18:12 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Real post in the near future. No, honest, I'm already writing it. And I might even through in some odds for Aaron. ; )

In the meantime, I need some help. I'm looking into getting a new comp in the near future, since this E machine just isn't doing the job any more. I'm wanting a windows machine (Sorry, Imzy... I like Macs too, but I like my software more) in the $1000 range, and I'm wanting it pretty much as a gaming rig. Can anyone give me some tips? would it be better to have a system custom made, or just buy I production model? Any good businesses that you can recommend?

See y'all soon...

Oh, and be nice to my pants, people... They're very dear to me.
Gunjack "Funky Noodle" Valentine
Thursday, March 22, 2001 06:50:50 PM
IP: 216-146-183-93.bwn.net

DPH> Let the Exo-Squad stomp on it's ashes into real fine dust
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
San Diego, CA, USA
Thursday, March 22, 2001 03:46:15 PM
IP: adsl-64-165-16-73.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

REunion 2 news: We got our first entries in the new "Hatchlings Rule!!" category for young artists age 12 and under. If you have sons, daughters, brothers, sister, or other kids in your family, try to encourage them to draw their best gargoyle or fantasy pic and enter today! I'm offering 1st, 2nd, and 3rd prizes out of Spike's Treasure Chest o' Garg Stuff ONLY for the winners of the "Hatchlings Rule!!" contests -- prizes could include action figures, books, puzzles or the odd lunchbox.

A big round of applause for Revel for being the FIRST artist to submit an entry in the Reunion 2 contest -- thank you very much!!
Spike - [<== Hatchlings Rule!!]
Thursday, March 22, 2001 03:24:22 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-197.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Me again ... Aaron posted while I was writing ; )

Aaron > well, if it helps, the following night I was stuck and spent most of my shift playing Minesweeper :P As for the Dark Tower books, I agree -- to each their own, my whole darn point and life philosophy on so many things! ; )

Christine
Thursday, March 22, 2001 03:18:08 PM
IP: 19-124.075.popsite.net

Kit > thanks for the well-wishing! I should have the new fic, as well as a massive MageLore update and another story, posted tomorrow if all goes well.

Warp > well, okay, but what I meant was that everyone should send in one fic for each category so we have lots of entries! ; )

Sarge > glad to help, looking forward to seeing the results!

SJ > since I think I quite reasonably assume I'm included in that "other side" category, let me reiterate that sure, both sides have their merits. But it's all a matter of personal opinion, and that doesn't make either side's view 'right' or 'wrong' for everybody else. To each their own. All I know is that I'm just weary of this same tiresome argument, this same dead and by now stinking horse dragged out and flogged again and again. But I know better than to expect or wish that such will ever happen. ::sigh::

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, March 22, 2001 03:14:48 PM
IP: 19-124.075.popsite.net

Patrick> School shootings> (Claps) Well said.

Gside> <<Which link? the one you forgot to paste?>> Yep. Sigh. Try now. <<By my count, it's Gunjack, Robby and now Emambu.>> If this is the becoming-Wilek list, then it's me, not Robby. Unless what happens to me happens to him and vice versa. Curse you! Warpy is not the only one you have condemned to going through the endless wang. Archives.

Gunjack> What is a Brontosaurus? A salamander designed to Mil-Spec.

Josh> <<Dedicated bachelor for life. At least I hope so.>> Yep, sounds like me. Right up ‘til about seven months ago...

Beth> Congrats. A good date anime.... Urotoskrotodoji, Vampire Madonna, LA Blue Girl... No, wait, wrong list. That could make the date go one of two ways, either of which would probably be bad on a first date. ;) I guess try something fun, like Child's Toy, Marmalade Boy, or Maison Ikkoku. Or you could go with something adventurous like Mononoke Hime, Escaflowne, or Greg's dub of 3x3 Eyes. (A subtle way to pull him into the fandom maybe?) Things to avoid: Serial Experiments Lain, anything Eva related, Perfect Blue, and anything else that will f**k with your mind. Oh, and don't get Golden Boy, ‘cause that'll really spoil the mood.

Emmambu> Enjoy Louisiana. I lived there for a while, but I haven't been back in years. Well, except for the Madi Gras fiasco in 99, but the less said about that the better. Congrats on the solo.

Jannie> I love how you put the word other in quotes. They counted the chads for both candidates. Gore won. And yes, I admit no matter what they find, we're still stuck with the Puppet-in-chief for at least four years. <<What is next? Perfume?>> I could get behind that. (Allergic)

FS> Ouch. Hope you feel better.

Christine> Well, different strokes for... never mind, that sounds wrong. They're my favorite King books, but that's just me. I always pictured Roland as Clint Eastwood myself.

Kai> So... You love it when a plan comes together?

Mec> Glad to have you back. <> Oh yeah, been there. Am there.

Pissy> Good luck with the move, hope the new place has more space.

Spacebabie> Well, Cyrway and Stormy were working on the ultimate gargoyles/Ranma crossover. Sadly, it's on hiatus right now, but maybe if enough people bugged them... Unless, for some reason, you didn't want to see Hudson play the part of Happosai. <<and I don't want a gundam or a giamelef I want a Rune God.>> I still want an Eva myself, but I'm twisted like that. I couldn't get your page to load. Something about Tripod's remote downloading policy. :(

Bronx> Wish the Immaculate Mack well for me.

Cloning body parts> It could be very good, i.e. nobody waiting on long lists for transplants. It could also have cosmetic genetics companies out digging up John Holmes' body...

Happy belated b-day, Dennis.

FS> <<"being on a leash"... either not in a relationship or are not in a healthy well-balanced relationship>> I dunno, I'm on a leash, and I kinda like it. ;) (Odds, Gunjack, odds) <<Spring of Man in womens clothing with Squid on head holding rabbit in one hand, Cobra in other, with Ferret in pants, riding a horse, pulling cart with chickens and pigs?">> Well, to quote from Cyrway's great unfinished Ranma thing: "Oh Nox, you fall into Spring of Drowned Martha Stewart. Artemis, you fall into Spring of Drowned Explorer. Last week I drive my Ford Explorer into empty spring. (Malibu as the Jusenkyo guide)

Aingeal> The dude's nuts. Next question. (Hugs) Sorry about the car. Glad you weren't hurt, I'd recommend finding some good legal representation fast.

Dreamie> (hugs) You have my condolences. I lost my grandmother on Sunday.

Christine> <<had an 8,000 word night last night! Huzzah!>> Gah! (Thinks about his own personal best, something like two pages in one sitting, and sighs)

Welcome back Sarge.

Happy belated b-day to Winterwolf too.

Kit> <<Unfortunately they have to wear something. :(>> Well, it's really hard to hide your AK otherwise. ;) <<A couple of jerks who were trying see her red eyes and run frightened out of the room>> Huh, nani? Who would do that?

"I'd buy that... If only it didn't have that big apple on the top of it." My brother, after seeing a Powerbook commercial.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, March 22, 2001 03:07:19 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Hmm. It's time.

**WARNING: DC DEATH - Choose your words wisely**
"Ok, DC. I am giving you a choice: firing squad, boiled to microscopic pieces, or frozen then shattered into pieces."

DC looked at his predictament and said, "Firing Squad."

"Ok, 1st, we give DC the axe." Suddenly, hundreds of people who have been fired started throwing axes at DC, reducing him to thread.

"2nd, we shoot DC." Suddenly, hundreds of expert markspeople start shooting their various projectile and non-projectile weapons at DC, reducing his body to even smaller particles.

"Lastly, we burn DC." Suddenly, hundreds of arsenists with various devices come around burn DC into microscopic ashes.
**END DC DEATH - Choose your words wisely**

What irony, DC thought he was choosing the weakest punishment and ends up with the most involved one. Any suggestions on what to add to the 'firing' squad?

Hey, AoTn & others, you can look at the pictures before posting. Just click on the link for images to see the pictures before posting.

Yesterday, 6 hours of sleep, today roughly 9 at least maybe 10. I can't really tell for sure.

No BFTS RP from me today.

Conspiracy theorist - Hmm. I can arrange for Clinton's hitmen to forget about your existance, indefinitely. Unfortunately, ITAG has not perfected a device for removing you from the memory of the Illumaniti (just too many members and no device to handle such massive erasure without getting caught doing the memory erasure).

AoTn & anyone else who did not catch the message the 1st time I said it: TGS is doing BREAKDOWNS for TIMEDANCER. No comment about our progress thus far.

Hmm, given that there is a winterwolf, what about the opposite, a fire wolf? Or would Firestorm cover that angle?

Oh no, somebody is trying to activated my lurking device. Gotta send this post real soon. Oh no, it's DC trying to activate. Wait for me . . .
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, March 22, 2001 02:10:41 PM
IP: max1-55.cwy.cei.net

Ah spring break, a time of sleep, food, and hardy board siding on a house. Well the sun has been out and so have we. My Dad has had us all out replacing the house's sidng well, because it needed to be done.
Fun
Warps-I sent you and E-mail with all the info tell me if you get it or not.
Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city on vacation, tx
Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:23:10 PM
IP: 1cust230.tnt4.houston.tx.da.uu.net

Firestorm: Well baseball is pretty perplexing to me. :P I guess the only thing that I just completely don’t ‘get’ is the school thing where you have ‘freshmen’ and ‘sophmores’ or whatever other weird names. Maybe it’s just me. Plus just odd little quirks. No schools apparently have uniforms and, if TV is to be believed, students are allowed to run out as soon as the bell goes. Or there’s why you can drive at 16 but not drink until 21 in some states, or the love of guns.

‘THE COUNCIL’ PART THREE: The conclusion was great, particularly for character materials. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to get reviewey at present (maybe this weekend if possible) so I’ll suffice with a ‘good job, TGS!’
Ed
Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:19:12 AM
IP: aca0c849.ipt.aol.com

Hi. It looks like this weekend will be a busy one for me but in a good way. Actually they’ve been very good for a while now.

Yes it was my birthday. March 19. Thanks to Dreamie, Gside, Kitiana, DPH,

Somebody cried wolf? ;D

Niamhgold> It’s been a while since you posted. I miss seeing you in here. I know I’m not the only one either. **huggles** ^_^

SOROW> Thank you SOROW! You made my day wonderful! My love right back to you! :)

Imzadi> <now that’s bragging> That was bragging? My condolences. :P

Dreamie> <tickles till he can’t breathe> **faints after he is the target, laughing till his body can’t take anymore, as the stunt double quits**

Caliope> <Japanese> Konnichiha! ^_^ Woo hoo! That is great. Fuyu ookami wants to hear how it goes. **DAKISHIMERU** <Princess of PR> So you just need to raise enough cash for the trip and expenses. While you are at it you might as well go for the kuruma of your choice. Then you can drive around the island. **HUGZ** Sayounara!

Aingeal> <accident> Ack! I’m relieved you and your friend are okay. I hope you can get your car all fixed up and can move on with your life quickly.

Kit> You got it! Not much happened on Monday to fix that this weekend is party weekend! Thanks for the nickname info. I do remember reading that a while back. :) For the longest time I had the wolf part of the nickname my actual name means wolf. The winter part came up as wolf wasn’t distinct enough for a web handle. I was in Albany at the time and we had some big winter storms and plenty of snow. I really liked both winter and snow so I thought about it and then there was Winterwolf. <house news> Cheers on the utilities going in. Plus the bad news doesn’t sound that bad. Certainly a nuisance and minor inconvenience though.

I’m off. Bye everybody!

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:30:54 AM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Josh> Yes, she did bludgeon Madoc with an iron-mace. But that was not at all out of heroism, but vengeance. Learning that Madoc was responsible for a good portion of gargoyle massacres and trying to murder her daughter was enough to send her into a rage.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, March 22, 2001 08:09:30 AM
IP: dialin-599-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Trenchcoat Layn: <an oversized, chittering, battery-operated weasel>
And after all that, I forgot to comment about the weasel!
Oh well...
Perhaps it is better left unsaid...
Perhaps. :)
Fire Storm
Thursday, March 22, 2001 01:33:04 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Kit: 
Now, why didn't they make a "Empire Records Collecters set"?
A 5 CD set with all the songs from the movie, a DVD of the movie, with behind the scenes, interviews, comentary tracks (and NOT boring ones like the ones on Highlander, Dark City, Interview with the Vampire...)
Come to think of it, there really is only 1 or 2 DVD's with decent comentary tracks, isn't there? Clerks was by FAR the best comentary track EVER!
<Maybe they made it small because the movie didn't do too well.>
BUT it is now a cult hit. Kinda like Rocky Horror. The movie bombed in the box office but after that...
<Doug has those fantasies also>
They seem to be general male fantasys.
At least American male fantasys. I cannot speak for other countries/cultures.
<Okay, we have a weird relationship, we know>
I have yet to see a "normal" relationship.
BTW... could you tell me a little more info about your house?
From what I could piece together, it is manufactured housing on a lot, correct?
If so, what size is it? Double-wide? One story? HOw many bedrooms?
<Good luck keeping your heart healthy and getting its rythyms back to normal however you can.>
Thanks. Double checking my ECG, it isn't on EVERY beat, so it probally won't be a problem.
My teeth on the other hand...

Imzadi: <And actually, those atoms are not as tightly packed as steel, where carbon exists between the lattice of iron atoms>
Are you sure? I know that DPU is *THE* densest material on the planet.
<You freakin better agree with it! 8-)>
Titanium is cool!
Hmm... I wonder if a TiMac could stop a .38
Hmm...
I think Compusa has one one display... :)
<That's a bit like "proving" the existence of aliens using Time-Life's "Mysteries of the Unknown" series as "evidence">
The Greys ARE here! And they are beaming info to my head as we speak!
Oh god, oh god, oh god... wheres my Aluminum foil hat?

Warpmind: <Actually, I believe the overclocking possibility was something that never existed prior to the Pentium>
As long as there has been the need to set the clock speed for a processor, there has been overclocking.
I overclocked my 286-10mhz to about 14mhz once.
My 486's had jumpers, so I over clocked them.
This is before I even KNEW about overclocking!
For my Athlon 1ghz (GOD I want one of those processors!), I am going with liquid cooling!
<there's such shows as Ricki Lake, for instance>
Ah... very true.
<but in the case of nuclear bomb-generated EMP, well... the cage might protect from the EMP, but there's still the heatwave, and the radiation, and the debris to be afraid of...>
That can be taken care of. (Distance from epicenter)
I figure that if I can make a computer room that would hold up against an EMP, my computer room would be safe from damn near anything.

Sarge Abernathy: <HEY they should have a RAINBOW color option for these posts! Cool! Make's everything look goooovy...=)>
Hey, we had enough trouble getting Gorebash to update the PICTURES, let alone the colors! :)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:51:00 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Sarge>> thanks for the well wishes, and to anyone else who well wished, thanks...

::grabs Val's pants...:: uhm.. yeah... lets not just leave these lying about...::lockes them up till layn says otherwise ;)

nitenite... i go sleep off drugs
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades, SORE
Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:44:58 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Jannie: There is a limit on the number of times I'll drive the airport. I'm just not sure what that limit is yet. Also, I'll be working, so I'll really only be available to give rides at night. I plan on actually being at Gathering all day Saturday and Sunday. So rides at night probably not a problem. I'd like to limit drives to LAX to one a day, but drives to Burbank airport won't be as limited. Hopefully I can enjoy Gathering AND provide rides (the former has much higher priority though).

Lexy: Good pic

GXB: <<isn't that what she's always done over the past millenia?>>: I seem to recall her bludgeoning Madoc with a mace. Or was that the LSD again? 8-)

Kit: <<No, he's not done with it yet>>: that doesn't surprise me at all. <>: I don't blame you. It would bother me, too (um, if I were female).

DPH/TGS staff: <<Breakdowns for TimeDancer>>: Sweeeeet. How about a woodstock ep? 8-)

Lain: <<my moral code slightly forbids me from using your essay>>: morals. Who needs 'em? Anyway, I sent the stuff to your hotmail accn't, go ahead and use it as you like. Some of my resources were a "march through time" so to speak, and should contain lots of info on your topic.

Warpmind: <<If you've seen "Eraser" with Aaah-nold>>: I don't think you can use that as a factual reference point. That's a bit like "proving" the existence of aliens using Time-Life's "Mysteries of the Unknown" series as "evidence".

Beth H: good luck on the story.

<<DROPS PANTS, avoids stares of people wondering why he's holding Gunjack's pants>> I DON"T WANT ANYONE"S PANTS! AND I"M NOT DELIVERING MESSAGES! This is the thanks I get for giving you my research paper? grrrrr....

If Steve [Jobs] put poop on a stick and called it an ergonomic computer control device, Bill [Gates] would have Windows users handling crap all day long.
-iBoast, MacAddict Forum member
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:37:36 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-26-176.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

This Saturday my mother and I were scheduled to see a play... mana la muncha ? Something like that....She said it was a famous play so I wanna go see it. However my work schedule revealed a change in normal routine, and I am having a hard time changing it. Doesn't anyone here wanna move to Vermont, and be a cashier for five hours? =)

Hopefully I won't have this trouble by summer. My boss applied herself for Survivor 3.... =P .... I'm so convinced that the CBS people will take one glance of her and hire her on the spot. She's placing down as her three main personalities... "b*tch b*tch and b*tch" ... which sums up who she is. =) But that isn't important. What would be important is free summer..... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If I were to place down three words to describe me so I can get into Survivor 3..... Sarcastic, Annoying, Vermonter.

Well that was of little relevance to anything. Guess that's just my "what I did over the past 12 hours" paragraph....=P

CHRISTINE>> Okay thanks. Now I get what' cha mean. =).... Now ta crack my knuckles and start writing!!!!!

AINGEAL>> Ow. That has got to hurt. There are so many careless and reckless drivers out there it's kinda disturbing. Hope you well!

FIRESTORM>> My OS 8 supports DVD.... huh...guess they made a dumb mistake at the Mac plant ;) All well, I ain't complaining....not that many DVD cd's work on Mac anyway.... all I have is Bug's life....yippie....{{twirles finger around}}

KIT>> Don't your talons hurt after awhile from typing all that....=)..... whooooa..... psychadelic color....

HEY they should have a RAINBOW color option for these posts! Cool! Make's everything look goooovy...=)

Hmmm...Sarge is now in the "lost" world. And I'm not talking about Crichton. =)

IMZADI>> I know! aren't my jokes really bad...=P...... after awhile I find that they annoy the hell out of people...=).....I get a kind of peverse pleasure out of that.... O_o . plus once in awhile I get a good joke to come out and then I enjoy the attention of laughter...=)..... I'm so weird.

AotN>> ... the boy who cried wolf ... that's all I have to say....

As a wise man once said....

Furasshi barubu mo arimasu ka?

Sarge

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, Vermont, USA
Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:26:32 AM
IP: aca4107c.ipt.aol.com

*Trenchcoat Layn rushes in through Lynati's fabric gate, glancing down at the remaining half of a set of hancuffs on one wrist*

*comforts self* don't worry, we'll use titanium ones next time and he won't get away.
*looks around*
Here, Imzadi, hold this...
*throws Imzadi a pair of pants*

Good thing your not on msn IM...heh. Tell Valentine if he wants those back, he'll HAVE to come in here and POST... :D:D:D

*Laughing maniacally, Trenchcoat Layn rides away on the back of an oversized, chittering, battery-operated weasel*
Trenchcoat Layn - [hee_hee@tee_hee.com]
somewhere north...(of sanity)
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:46:16 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Greetings all...

BETH M. - Kudos for your taking the plunge in writing some original fiction! I'd be willing to read your work and offer some critique/pointers if needed.

To answer your question about Oni and Kitsune... It actually depends on the situation and the context use of the being. Oni or "demon goblins" are creatures that can be wicked and cruel; most often ambushing unwary travelers in the wilderness, usually by disguise or outright attack.

Now Kitsune (like our friend pictured next to my post here) are tricksters, yes. But like some creatures of Japanese Mythos, they have a double-sided image. The Trickster-types do love to mess around with mere mortals - sometimes by even inhabiting a hapless person to make them do the opposite of what they are normally capable of.

However, some follow the form of a servant of Inari - the Japanese god of five grains and swordsmiths. They act as messengers for this god, and often see themselves as aristocrats or nobles. In this sense, they take form as a samurai or geisha. Some have been know to take interest in a human's life, and will sometimes grant favors to those that please or amuse them.

For the most part, Oni are often generalized as evil when writing fiction about the Orient and Ancient Japan, while Kitsune are the pranksters, but applied in certain ways, this can be even more scary than an Oni's rage. A good example of this can be seen in the Timedancer episode "Giri" (a story I helped develop with Entity; one of Season 3's standouts!).

Anyway, hope I've been some help to you, Beth. Please, if I can help you out further, do feel free to drop me a line, okay? ^_^

Longer post later... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 09:05:26 PM
IP: 6532163hfc112.tampabay.rr.com

First off ...

Jannie: **big huggles** I'm so sorry ... I did get your message, but I haven't yet had the chance to reply to it ... I set it aside to read later, then later never came. I'm so so sorry!!

Course update: Today was fun ... it's going well, on the sample test section I scored 14 out of 15 questions right (only one I missed involved chemicals regulated by the EPA and OSHA that I *still* think I kinda got hosed on, but oh well ...) Funniest bit today involved a question about customer communication, during the sample test review ...
Instructor: "Okay, question 7 ... Parts Specialist A says the ability to communicate is essential. Is that true?"
Class: "Yes."
Instructor: "Yeah, that's true. Okay, Parts Specialist B says that interacting with all people is easy. Is *that* true?"
Class: "HELL NO!" (nearly in unison) ;)

So that was fun. Too bad not enough of the early test questions involve *parts* stuff ... ah well, two more weeks and we hit where I know the most. :)
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 08:54:39 PM
IP: 216.28.101.52

*enters*

Hmmm...I'm trying a hand at writing a non-fanfic story for once. It's a fantasy fiction story with Japanese history and mythology. I have a question: Which is more scary, an oni or a kitsune? I think oni's are ogres or demons and kitsune are fox spirits that are tricksters. My story is semi-modeled after InuYasha (minus the time traveling) and influenced by reading about Murasaki. Anyone want to read the rough draft storyline of the first segment when I'm done writing it? e-mail me if you want to read it. :)
Beth H. - [jpherit@pacbell.net]
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 08:02:40 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

**Ravyn enters, flopping down at the Tea Table with a pizza and her chemistry textbook.** Hey, all! Got a chem test on Friday, so I thought I might better start studying now, since I don't have a clue about chemistry stuff. That's why I'm a *mechanical* engineer, darn it! ;) But hey, while I'm here, I'll try to make that real post I've been promising y'all, since I finally got caught up on reading the CR. ;)

Imzadi> Hey, just curious...did you happen to go to the basketball game when Arizona played Cal at your place? Just wondering. :)

Female race car drivers> Man, of all the darn luck, I had to miss *this* discussion! I'll agree with whoever said earlier that teenage gals driving cars are some of the worst drivers...then again, so are teenage guys. :) And then again, *I* happen to be a teenage female drag racer. Now, to be perfectly honest, I'm very much a beginner to the sport...there's no way I could be considered professional, by any means. But I'm *still* a drag racer. It's kind of like something that gets in your blood, and then will never go away...the ol' racing blood just sticks with ya, and comes alive out at the track. Now, I don't quite agree with the whole scientific approach, that maybe I just produce more testosterone or whatever...who knows, maybe I do...but I doubt it's a chemical thing that started me in racing. Like a lot of race drivers, it was a family affair...you spend months and months building a car, making sure everything is as right as it can be, and then driving it down the track is just the culmination of everything. For me, it's not for money (haven't seen *any* money yet, except what's been put *into* the car) or for fame and glory (although that's been a bit of a byproduct back home after those wins...) :) really, for me, it's just one of the most fun, exhilarating experiences that exists, and when that car's running right, and you're blazing down the track...there's nothing else like it in the world. Now sure, maybe now I'm an adrenaline junkie because of it, but it was by my own choice. ;) And yes, as Coyote mentioned, I *did* win second place my very first time driving...that's what made me famous back home. And yes, I am SO darn proud of the trophy I got for that, and for the opportunity to drive such a wonderful car. :) And Coyote mentioned some of the great gals in racing...Shirley Muldowney being my personal favorite, and probably the most famous. (and I was even compared to her in an interview...I would *never* go as far to compare myself to her, but it was still cool) :)

Okay, that's enough rant for me! Please direct any comments my way. :)

Jannie> Is there anything you want me to pass on to Coyote for ya? I'd be happy to do that, if you want.

Shinigami> Well, um...I'll have to pass on the make-out behind the lockers party...but no hard feelings, eh? ;)

Well, I'd better get studying...later! :)
Ravyn
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 06:55:01 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

No, wait! I saw Cairo's comment about Dark Ages, and I agree- when will it be back?!? That's the only thing I read on this sight- it's such a unique series!! Soo...

I'm done.
AotN
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 06:50:40 PM
IP: fn-39-70.sssnet.com

Okay, this is the last one. Really!!
Mmmbye!!! :P
AotN
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 06:47:07 PM
IP: fn-39-70.sssnet.com

Wait! I like this one better...
AotN
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 06:45:59 PM
IP: fn-39-70.sssnet.com

Hi!! Just felt like dropping by!! I saw all the sweet new pictures and I just had to try one!! :) Be back later!!
AotN
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 06:44:36 PM
IP: fn-39-70.sssnet.com

*Warpmind enters, carrying a standard cremation urn and glaring at DC, whereupon he grabs the Bad Person and begins stuffing him into the far too small bronze container. After a lot of whining, screaming and compressing, the lid is shut, and the urn tossed down a Very Deep Hole.* He urned that... }:)

Gside: Well, yes. It is STILL in the Avalon pages... doesn't matter WHERE it came FROM, just that it's THERE. (Much the same as if you were to find a deadly computer virus on your machine. Would you *really* give a damn about how it got there in the first place, or would you go for damage control?) And please, allow me to express my agreement about the male fantasy. Now, I wonder if I can stow away on a Canada-bound plane tomorrow...? };) (And considering Lain's reaction to my voice yestereve, that'd probably be doubly appreciated, too.) }:) And Ed feeling left out? Ed who?

Christine: Don't the rules *specify* only one entry per contestant per category?

Fire Storm: Actually, I believe the overclocking possibility was something that never existed prior to the Pentium... so I figure it's a moot point, anyway. As for Cultural Things That Do Not Make Sense, well... there's such shows as Ricki Lake, for instance. What possible interest do normal people have in ugly, fat <insert your favourite minority group here> insulting and yelling at each other on TV? (Though, I hear that question goes around a lot over there, too...) There's really not much else that don't make no sense whatsoever - but if I find something, I'll make a note of it and ask as soon as possible. ;) Oh, and as for the Faraday Cage, I think any metal would do - but in the case of nuclear bomb-generated EMP, well... the cage might protect from the EMP, but there's still the heatwave, and the radiation, and the debris to be afraid of...

Kit: What, you intend to perform tobacco-induced astronomy on me? *Tosses the butt out the window.* Point taken...

Gathering Transportation: Seems that due to the plane schedules, I'll be able to catch connecting flights that leave Norway in the morning and arrive in LA in the evening. Thus, I'll be needin' to arrive on the Thursday... I'd better ask Revel about orderin' the room for one extra night... Hmmm...

Kit again: That shot you mentioned - it's been done. If you've seen "Eraser" with Aaah-nold, you might recall the scene where an old rifle is used to shoot straight through the scope of one of the new, high-tech railguns. }:)

Lain: Aww, you're both sick, and I'll personally go wreak havoc in the Greyhound main offices when I'm in the US. };) No lives will be lost... but their qualities might be somewhat... diminished, hehehe... };)

*Sighs, sits down, and hopes to see either Lain or Lynati on IM.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:53:52 PM
IP: mp-217-204-117.daxnet.no

oh...
thats 1PM..
cos lain has been up for tooooo MANY hours... eeeeeeep..
:P
lain
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:36:04 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

*lain enters quietly, trying not to wake Lynati who is still in the land of snooze*
*even though it's 1am and lain has been up for hours*

Jannie>> *quietly agrees with Xena's comments about Coyote* He'll get back to you.. whatever it is you were discussing :)

Imzadi>> you do?? All of MY resources for the essay STINK (plus one of them is in French (which makes good reading but poor quoting..))
my moral code slightly forbids me from using your essay (even though its overdue now after i gave up on it yesterday, i would rather hand in my OWN work late than someone else's on time..) but if you are offering it as a reference, it would be appreciated. thank you very much. (does it have a bibliography too?? then I can use that to see if our libraries have the books you used cos our card catalogue wasnt very useful for book finding..)

Valentine>> my essay might be stinkin to High Heaven but the Projectfirebird is actually going STUPIDLY well.. eeeek..

For anyone interested.. i finally got sick and tired of arguing with Valentine and being mutually reduced to tears at least twice a week over religious issues.. and then i thought up the idea of.. "okay.. so your GOD created the world and the universe is the "imprint of his mind" huh?
allright then..
and your scriptures are infalliable you say?
i see..
well that means there should be no contradiction between science and religion, doesnt it?"

so thats my project.. using that Book o his to prove scientific theory. So far its yielding some.. interesting.. results..
(but i KNOW he and i are gonna get flamed for even TRYING.. eeeek..)

that is Projectfirebird.

oh well.. that's my two cents for now..

oh.. BTW.. Lynati has just woken up and is looking rather cute.. except for the loud groaning and mumbling about tissues.. but you know.. gotta love her : D
(except that she made ME sick too.. oh well.. i'll forgive her.. BUT NOT THE GREYHOUND BUS COMPANY THAT STUFFED HER ON A BUS FOR 35 INSTEAD OF 21 HOURS AND MADE HER TIRED AND SICKIE AND MADE US WANDER AROUND LONDON AT 4am LOOKING FOR TAXI FARE HOME!!!!!)
*ahem*

right then..
i suppose its time for class..
see you all later..

love and hugs for all,
(even sevarius jr who is a jerk)
;)
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North, eh?
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:34:58 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Hmm. For all those wondering: TGS staff is currently doing Breakdowns for TimeDancer. We can't write start writing stories until we have a completed version of the season. May I suggest reading some fan-fiction or re-reading old TGS stories in the meanwhile.

Happy birthday Winterwolf.

At least I have few things on my list accomplished. Saturday, with help, I filled out my federal tax forms. Monday, I visited a barbershop. Now, onward to state tax forms. I am still on unsure about where to buy my PC from. Since I want it customized, that leaves me at a blank.

Oh yea, does anyone know anything about 'dark crystals'? My former girlfriend (same person who is going through a divorce) asked me about that.

Kit & others - I have seen it quite a few times where a single person can not see every possible thing. My work area was been re-organized more than 3 times and will probably get re-organized again at some person's whilm because the persn did not see every possible thing. As good as I am at my best, I still miss some small things. The catch to doing things by committee is a variety of viewpoints (and possibly people seeking out their own unique agendas).

**RP RELATED**
Lunatic and lunacy have personalities according their names during battles and are headmaster transformers. In case, you are wondering, the gateway to another universe leads to the Realm.
**END RP RELATED**

**BFTS RP continues**
Lunatic and Lunacy arrive at the middle of the Amazon rainforest and spot the gateway to another universe. They think, "Hmm. I am finally have a way to escape ITAG's service. I wonder if my vehicles are big enough to fit through."
**END BFTS RP for now**
Who says everybody is happy in every organization? What makes Lunatic and Lunacy so problematic about ITAG?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:21:59 PM
IP: max1-23.cwy.cei.net

GXB: <On Demona> Good point.

Lexy: Great pic of Lex, Kirstie, and Aurora. Why doesn't TGS use you more often?

Imzadi: Don't worry, I am reading your fic along with Doug. He talked me into it. No, he's not done with it yet. <Jim Elder> Brooklyn and him possibly meeting was not the reason I made the story proposal. It'd be nice, but I'd be more interested in an interesting story than a fan's-relative-insertion fic. Maybe one on the battleship Brooklyn? <sighs suddenly> I've never even met Jim Elder, and Doug hasn't seen him since he got Alzheimer's and had to be committed to a rest home- his memories are often sketchy at best. So a good meeting story probably couldn't even be written. :( Thanks for the thought though. <Fox and Demona> They were Lex's enemies. He doesn't want Kirstie and Aurora to be his foes. Thus he won't want to hurt them too badly. Making sense? <protection> Nope, don't need to worry about that. No periods either. <sighs> But still, I don't like this condition. :( <campus meal plans> You may not be joking about your own school's food, but UT's is great-tasting, nutritous, served healthy and efficiently. It makes a great alternative to cooking most of the time. I can't speak for Sonoma State's food though, Beth will have to judge on her own.

Jannie: <nods> I did see The District last week, and I liked it. Mannion's out-of-business speech I'll have to use on an enemy someday. Should be a great new ep this week too. :) Glad you enjoyed Enemy at the Gates. You know, I read one version of it where he not only fired into a dark hole and got the sniper, but got him right in the rifle scope and eye behind it. Now that shot I'd have trouble believing from anyone but Shauna with a bow...:)

Kitainia
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:22:50 AM
IP: pool-63.52.168.230.dlls.grid.net

Kit> Nice commentary on "The Council". As for you not liking how Demona just ran away. Well, isn't that what she's always done over the past millenia?
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:06:36 AM
IP: dialin-114-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

***Kyryn steps into the CR.***

One pic by Lexy has been added to the latest episode. Hopefully we'll be able to add Robby's pics sometime soon.

****Kyryn steps out.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:55:27 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

XenaTrek> *hugs* thanks... that does explain a lot.
Jannie
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:36:24 AM
IP: 144.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Jannie: > Re: Coyote >> *sais* I’m sorry for whatever it was that I’ve done or said that has caused you to ignore me or not like me. : ( >> It isn't in Coyote's nature to ignore or dislike people. I'm sure it is a simple misunderstanding and/or oversight. I also know his 1134 email account has been giving him trouble, he's missing some of my emails for one reason or another. I'm sure LC aka Rav will and/or at least I will get him to say something one way or another. I believe he will be giving call tonite, when he does, I'll interigate (sp?) him for ya. :o) *hugs*

XenaTrek - [xenatrek@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 09:53:51 AM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

SJ> Denis is more than capable of speaking on his own behalf, but I want to say something as well. Denis’s post WAS from his heart and the two subjects that he addressed had nothing to do with each other. He is not a frequent poster and hence, he put 2 topics into one post. Since English is his second language, it is sometimes a bit difficult for him to write out exactly what he means to say.
Den and Fred have had many discussions concerning the sex issue in fanfics. Denis agreed to disagree with Fred over this. As he stated, he respects Fred’s right to say that porn/erotica is distasteful, but it’s not necessary to trash the individual who has written it.
As Fred and I have discussed – you can hate the behavior, but still like the person.

When you said, <It would be very easy for certain people to misconstrue them as just a way for you to slight Fred for "writing your work out of his fiction"> Could this not also be applied to Fred and his postings? Sure, he does not like porn – but the venomous way in which he is going at it… could it be fueled by his hatred or dislike for certain people that he is also criticizing their writing?

In his response to Fred rewriting most of the earlier fanfics…. It *sounded* as if Fred was blaming Denis for all of the sex, magic, and character modeling and he was going to rewrite all of those scenes. Denis was trying to explain WHY he outlined such things. From what I can remember of Fred’s post, only the scenes/characters that Denis wrote were going to be rewritten. I do appreciate the clarifying post that Fred wrote about all of that. I think Den’s intention was to explain why and then to say that he didn’t care anymore what Fred did to the fanfics.

Sorrow> I hope that you enjoy attending UT =) My brother graduated from the law school there and with all of us in the family being native Texans… well, we all hold a special place in our hearts for UT ;) I’m one of those rare people that does not like Austin, though. I think that it’s too many people, buildings, etc. smooshed into a small area. I was not comfortable there at all.

Kit> I’ve been watching the Lone Gunman too… I think it is developing into a very good show. I’m enjoying watching the characters develop and seeing the humor in the scripts. I watched a new show this week.. “The First Year” or something like that…. I see a lot of potential with this show and I hope it sticks around long enough to be developed : )
Did you see The District last week? Very good, indeed =)

POTENTIAL SPOILER FOR ENEMY AT THE GATE:
I went to see Enemy At The Gate this weekend too! It was a spectacular movie! The only thing that I was aware of as being “not to real life” was the ending. While I won’t give anything away, I will say that they portrayed the correct sniper being killed, but not the “method” in which he died. Instead of the sniper stepping out like that, it was actually a lucky shot into a dark hole that killed him. The victorious sniper fired into a dark hole area hoping to hit the other one – which he did. (IRL) Of course, the movie’s version was much more interesting and emotional *nodnodnod *
/SPOILER

Josh> Maybe if you put a limit on when or how many times you’d be willing to make an “airport” run, that might keep you from being on the road all the time instead of being at the Gathering =) I’ll be taking the shuttle service that Kathy mentioned – but I know that Denis may have need of assistance on Tuesday morning in getting to the airport. He’s checking into other options first. I’ll be leaving on Monday and he’ll leave on Tuesday. Depending on where the motel (that we’ll be staying in) is located in distance away from the con hotel, I’m still not sure if I’m going to rent a car or not for the weekend. A friend of mine who was going to be there with her car has decided that she will not be able to attend after all. Once again the reason: “too expensive”. *sighs *

OoOoo I saw a newsclip last night about a new procedure being done here in Houston for stomach surgery! =) Instead of doing the laser surgery to repair the reflux valve and putting you under for surgery… they can know do a procedure that goes thru your throat and into the reflux area. You are still put “under” but not to the depth or degree that the laser surgery would require. I never did have my stomach problems taken care of – was a bit distracted repairing my heart… so now I need to have my stomach taken care of. I’ve been putting it off – a fear of having surgery again and all =\ But I do know that I will do NOTHING until after the Gathering this time! *chuckles* Not going to take the chance of something interfering with my attendance again!

Coyote> *sais* I’m sorry for whatever it was that I’ve done or said that has caused you to ignore me or not like me. : (

Jannie
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 09:21:10 AM
IP: 144.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Daniel: grrrr... Anyway, would you like my OS X gargoyles icons for when you try out X?

Sarge: Hello. I'm new. Nice to meet you. Bad jokes. Worse pick-up line.

Dreamie: <<Happy to be of service>>: Now there's a fact to be filed away for future use. Lemme know if you could do another character or ten. (sorry, I'm gettin desperate for canon/TGS characters) <<If you insist>>: Please try again.

Jannie: No problem. I just hope that my invitation doesn't have me running to and from airports all weekend instead of attending the gathering. 8-)

Cali: <<starting japanise classes>>: Do you have to be able to spell "japanEse"? 8-)

Lain: <<jedi lyrics>>: Those be jacked from the great weird al! Congrats on finishing your astronomy paper. Armor and Weaponry, huh? Hmmm...I seem to recall writing one of those in my sleep in 9th grade. Its a bit more general, but if you want it its yours (its about 15 pages long, I think). Its also a valid referrence, if nothing else 8-).

Warpmind: Say no more. I'm out.

Ambrosia: WHOA! I didn't notice that. And I'm usually a total continuity nitpicker too. That's funny.

Gside: <<The male fantasy>>: Shouldn't it be "The Male Fantasy" (all first caps)? Don't know much about windows burning. Try EZ CD creator by Roxio (Adaptec). On the mac we have to choose between Toast, Discribe, and Apple's built-in disc burner, all of which suck ass. Although toast is rapidly making progress. Thanks for the great quotes! I'm gonna add those to my page, if its alright with you. <<Lex just might be the new mac daddy>>: I don't think so. For one, "mac daddy" would be Steve Jobs (yuk, yuk). Second, well, come on! It's Lex! <<But wont Ed feel left out?>>: I certainly do...

FS: <<OS-X dosn't support DVD, DVD-RW, or CD-RW drives>>: YET. The key word is "yet". Remember, OS X went GM two weeks ago. Its not going to be released until saturday. That means that for nearly 3 weeks, Apple's been working on that stuff. It might just be available as a free download the day X comes out (I'm not holding my breath though). Someone in here said that Win2K still doesn't have DVD support, and its been out for a year already! Also, OS X release is pretty much public beta 2.0, despite the name. The fact that those things are not supported in a release version boggles my mind, considering the effort Apple just made to include those drives in its machines. I mean, I hope stupid little things like the genie effect and 128x128 icons didn't go in INSTEAD of support for that stuff. Cuz that would just be stupid. Another thing that Apple fscked up in was the public eye. Its a much bigger deal for Apple to release a feature-deficient OS than for Micro$haft to do so. Every investor, reporter, and computer user is carefully watching OS X, waiting for Apple to flop because of it. Now, I personally don't think that OS X by itself will break apple if it fails, but it is going to make the company look pretty foolish, which is not a good thing from a Wall Street standpoint. Fear not, I'll be posting a better OS X rant shortly after I "acquire" the OS. I'm not buying until the summer build, which should include all the things you've discussed and maybe drivers for my external USB HD. I'll tell you what OS X does support though: MY GARGOYLES ICONS! <<lead and depleated uranium>>: Nope, lead and DPU for x-rays. And actually, those atoms are not as tightly packed as steel, where carbon exists between the lattice of iron atoms. However, I'm not guaranteeing that I'm right. I'd advise you to check my "facts". But I'm pretty sure I'm on the right track. <<Even *I* will agree with that!>>: You freakin better agree with it! 8-)

Aingeal: Glad you're okay. Accidents suck ass.

<<make-out behind the lockers party>>: Are there any MEN in this party? Need any? 8-) And where are these magical lockers, anyway?

Lain and Lynati: Don't do anything I wouldn't do! (whatever THAT means...)

Beth H: As much as hate doing this, I'm gonna tell you to ignore Kit's advice AGAIN. I'd rather have my leg amputated than get another campus meal plan. That stuff is not food, despite what it may say on the label. You may spend a little more if you have to shop for yourself and cook for yourself, but it will be so much more satisfying in the long run, and you don't run the same risks of food poisoning. You think I'm joking, but I'm not.

Kit: First, I agree with everything you've said about the recent TGS ep. With your critiquing abilities and eloquence in writing, you should be an english teacher. No joke. <>: Thanks for the happy thoughts. <<Maybe he was holding back>>: Coward. Demona is a pretty girl too. So is Fox. Doesn't stop lex from going all out on them, does it? <<where Doug's grandfather Jim Elder Jr. served>>: Ooh and then they could meet! What a great idea! TGS STAFF PAY ATTENTION TO THAT ONE! I mean, it shouldn't be his ACTUAL grandpa, but just a character with the same name would be pretty sweet. I was thinking exactly that Brooklyn and Co. should make an appearance in the Pacific Theater of WWII. <<As long as they're the same as my opinions or nearly so, there will be no problems>>: LOL. Case and point. <<Hope you can make them PC-compatible soon so they can go in those places>>: Well, that's a trick. I'm not quite sure how to do it. <<what guy wouldn't enjoy being stalked by a young pretty girl with a nice sweet personality like Beth's?>>: Stalking bad. That's all I have to say on that subject. <<Saving Ryan's Privates>>: Wasn't that a porn? <<Hope you never go crazy with loneliness if you intend to be a dedicated hardcore bachelor-for-life>>: 19 years, no problems yet. And I'm already crazy, but there's other reasons for that. <<Fridays>>: Ah, the life of an engineering student. No sex (for most of us), lots of free time. 8-) <<before I shove it up your anus>>: OUCH <<I'll need a new uterus to ever have children of my own>>: I'm sorry to hear that. But does that mean that you never have to worry about protection (always look on the bright side of life...). <<hateful, vindictive, and selfish>>: WHOA kit, chill out. Those words are awfully strong. Even if you didn't mean them as a flame, it was still pretty harsh. <<Imzadi is right>>: An interesting motto... 8-) <<low pay or not>>: Someone recently said to me "they won't pay you for nothing". Well, this is as close as it gets. I log into the phone system and wait for a call. While I'm waiting, I do homework or read CR or whatever. And when I call comes in, I get $$. Not a bad living, if only I could actually live off it. Fortunately this is just gravy money for my new laptop...::mumbles "I hate all TiBook owners":: <<Why does he even bother?>>: If you have to ask, you'll never know. 8-) If you want, Kit, you can read my fic when Doug's done with it. The more opinions before I post it, the better. I really want it to be something kickass, even if it is currently 140 pages long (and growing).

SJ: Good thoughts on sex in fics. There's some in the fic that I'm writing, because I'm a sick perverted bastard, but its certainly not the main point of the fic. Not that I think there isn't some value in such things, I am a huge supporter of porn. Now lets hope that Doug and Kit agree with me about my fic.

Icon Project status: Made some more icons today. And I posted an updated picture. This is terrible! I'm out of space on my puny laptop screen to display all my icons! I'm gonna have to put more than one picture up so you guys can view my icons! Bummer. I'm just about out of canon and TGS ARTWORK to make icons from. You can click on my name and see which characters have been done already (and if you're really bright you can figure out which are missing). I'd love to do more, but I have a serious lack of canon artwork. It seems everyone only likes drawing Demona (can't imagine why...). Anyway, who else is planning (assuming that I can successfully port them to windows) on using the demona icon for their PSL folder? I'm even including a naked icon of Orin just to make the choice tricky...

It's below absolute zero, but the Microsoft software still isn't solid
-Dav Holle

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 02:04:22 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-26-136.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

SJ: :( Well, his point of view wasn't too obvious to me. Thank you for making it so. <if you're talking about people besides Fred and me> I was. I also was talking about you both, or at least your actions from my persepective. I'm too tired to talk about this any more tonight.
Kit
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 01:39:38 AM
IP: pool-63.52.167.207.dlls.grid.net

*delurks for a moment*

Denis: I would very much hope that your remarks towards Fred about his views on certain issues come from your heart. It would be very easy for certain people to misconstrue them as just a way for you to slight Fred for "writing your work out of his fiction" (you still don't seem to fully understand what he is really doing with your work in his older fics, but I lack the energy tonight to properly explain it to you).

Doug and/or Kit: I seem to have mispoken, because I do need to congratulate you for making a fist and definitely disagreeing with Fred (and calling him a hypocrite). It was a rather bold move, not to take the middle, "compromising" ground, and for that I applaud you.

Be careful, though, because you must not stray from the middle ground too far, and heed the advice of Greg, because otherwise you might see the world too much in black and white, and thus run the risk of being more closed-minded. Like me, evidently. Am I right, Greg?

And Fred's not a hypocrite. I can see why you would say such a thing, but it's a misconception. It's because you fail to see Fred's point (and I know there's debate amongst certain people in the CR as to whether or not he has one). He's not opposed to sex in a work of fiction, that's fine with him. When the sex becomes the sole purpose of the fiction (and virtually all erotica is as such, to make a broad generalization), that is his problem. If you want to write a fic about the Clan fighting the Quarrymen, and include a scene with Goliath and Elisa having sex, that's fine--as long as the scene has some value to the overall story, and isn't the focus of the story. However, if the fic was just Elisa and Goliath going at it like two alley cats--that's the problem. Even if you have a bunch of flowery romantic crap surrounding the sex (i.e., say you have Goliath take Elisa to a movie, then a candlelit dinner), if the ultimate purpose (the "climax", to make a pun) is the bed-rockin', headboard-knockin' booty call, than that's his problem. Writing an entire piece of fiction simply to describe a bodily act between 2 beings isn't considered to be good literature. And perhaps he classifies certain authors in that category of "not good literature". You and others may disagree with him on that, but he's not a hypocrite because he has sex in his fics. In terms of comparing sexual content, and the purpose of that sexual conduct, the work of the one (Fred) is vastly different from the work of the other.

So he's not a hypocrite. I'm sorry, it is a little tedious to have to keep explaining his point of view, when it should be fairly obvious.

You brought up an interesting point, though:
<<As long as certain people among us refuse to even acknowledge the possible merits of any side of the discussion other than theirs, it will unfortunately stay that way.>>
If you are talking about people other than Fred or myself in this statement (i.e. "the other side of the issue"), than you have hit upon one of the greatest grievances that Fred -or I- have.
Sevarius Jr. - [SevariusJr@excite.com]
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 01:27:53 AM
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**BEGIN PART 2, SPOILERS**
Excellent wrap-up and conclusion to the Council arc. Icarus has endeared himself to me after this one, I still don't like his contradicting himself so much but he has an interesting attitude on life (a somewhat familiar one too) and it's good that someone could make sense of all the various arguments going on at the Council enough to resolve them. Liked his take on the whole New Olympus state of affairs too, wonder if he'll be their first UN ambassador (he'd be good at it IMO). Good developments on the Chinese Clan also, got the nice sense of history again with them being like China was for many hundreds of years. Hope they will become more worldly and less selfish as time goes on. Darius and the Druj made for some good action, very nice use of Persian mythology and I enjoyed the resolution of it with a cooperative bluff. I regret him escaping though, I wonder when we'll see him again. Good developments on the Persian Clan with Tamora and Balthasar at the end also, they've made me interested in finding out more about this clan, its members, technology, and so on. Liked especially the Goliath development and the resolution of his place in the Council and his deeds there. Vinnie, Hudson, and Xanatos all had very good bits to it. Nice resolution of the Delilah thread also, I'd like to see how Talon reacts to her going and her response next week. My gripes- the bit about Lex never learning Kirstie's name made me laugh also and I liked him being positively spot-lit, but I can't say I really enjoyed their development or Aurora's and the fight resolution- it all seemed a little too predictable and planned. :( Still made for a good story, but just the same. <shrugs> I look forward to Kirstie or Aurora possibly showing up in New York like it was hinted might happen, the really exciting developments (Lex's wiring included) should happen then. Lex and Cole's friendship needs more development, it's there but it seems too simple- I'd enjoy it more if I knew how it began. Also didn't like how Demona just vanished after the intriguing points her talk with Balinos raised (kudos on that character btw, he was a great unexpectedly Gargs-universe-style ghost), the points the spectre made were good but it would have been nice to learn Demona's reaction to them instead of her just running away. Kylie's impending death was nicely inserted, but not the real shock I think it may have been intended as (I could be wrong on that intent though). Missed pics, hope they're added soon. Overall, 9/10, good episode but could have been a little better. Nice wrap-up to the trilogy. Hope more development with the clans and good stories are on the way.

Actually enjoyed Lone Gunmen Sunday night, btw. Excellent development on all the leads and showcases of their personalities interacting, great incidental characters and very well-written plot and script. If only all the episodes of the show could be like this one, it'd be great. Unfortunately so far Sunday night's ep may just be the exception that proves the rule. :P
**END SPOILERS**

Lynati: Sounds like you had a long rough trip. Glad it had good results though. You and Lain have a great time together, create some good memories. If you want to scan and post links to any pics from the experiences in here, I'd be interested in seeing them. <smiles at the sleep-related comments Lain made and Warpmind's bit about wishing he was there>

Mandi: Condolences on the death of your English professor. <silent moment> A similarly great English professor at UT passed away recently also, I had two classes with him and enjoyed them both. <sighs>

Lain: <Spidey Alert> Lynati's delays probably set that off. If not, well, I hope you soon find the cause. Good luck. Don't let it ruin your fun time with Lynati, though.

Imzadi: Thanks for the advice on tech support. Glad to know you at least enjoy your job, low pay or not. Best of luck with it. The way Lady Mystic puts things, I think I can understand your desire to stay single at this point in life. I still wish you good luck with loneliness, though, and hope you find someone someday. :) Glad you're happy with your life. <Lex's fight> I agree with you, he should be a better combatant. Maybe he was holding back though because his opponent was a pretty girl. He wouldn't be the first guy to have that combat problem. <grin> I too would like to see Brooklyn again experiencing the Second World War, maybe in the Pacific where Doug's grandfather Jim Elder Jr. served.

Dreamie: Condolences on your grandfather. <silent moment> I'm sorry to hear about him, especially the way in which he died. <sighs> Hopefully that way of death is much rarer than I fear.

SOROW: Glad you enjoyed Austin and the UT campus so much, I'm once again really sorry I missed you, though. There will be a next time, I swear there will be! :) <UT's the place for me> So it is decided! :) Hope you've made the right decision, good luck getting down here soon. Start college in the summer if you feel the need to get out desperately enough. When you get here, just let Doug and me know if you need anything- apartment finding, shopping advice, college survival tips, a ride, free entrance to one of the coolest clubs on Sixth Street, anything at all. We will be happy to give it to you. <local mall> Dobie Mall, right? That's indeed a nice place to visit, the anime shop especially. Glad you found it on your first trip. We love you too. :)

Beth H: Good luck on the EPT, hope you do well. Congrats on getting your Sonoma State housing forms, I for one am not surprised an apartment's cheaper, it's often like that here too. Tip- if you do get an apartment, see if you can also still pick up a campus meal plan and do so if you can. You'll save a lot of cooking time and money (the cafeteria's also a good place to study in, or at least I think it is here at UT). Again, good luck with your date.

Shinigami: Welcome back! :) You can put me down as another woman who gets violent vindictive tendencies now and then. No one generally wants to be around me when I do. :( <make-out behind the lockers party> I'll gladly join in that! :) <spots Doug setting up a hidden video camera> Just let me take care of one thing first. <spins around and yells at Doug, who takes down the camera, apologizes profusely, and leaves. Kit rolls her eyes> He knows I'm not going to go too far, and that I'll tell him all about it later, what almost could have happened included. I've done it before with similar parties Shauna, Tricia, Elena, Stephanie, and I have had. Why does he even bother? <groans>

Christine: Glad to hear you're working on fanfic again. May you never burn out! <uses sledge hammer on writer's block>

Conspiracy Theorist: You're only going to be an evil megalomaniac in your spare time? Oh come on, it's a fun job! :) Good points on the Illuminati, and interesting ideas about Zodiac. I'd be interested in that profile you mentioned. If only because that killer's case has fascinated me ever since I first heard about it. :) I hope you're wrong, though, about him still killing right now.

Hyperion: I've read that book you mentioned. Didn't like it. Glad it's not where you got your name.

Archwolf: Glad that jerk coach you hate so much will soon be fired, sorry to hear about all the mishaps he put you and the team through though. You can always kill him in the RP if you want revenge. Congrats to your sister on the wedding, hope mine when it comes is at least as good.

Winterwolf: Happy Belated Birthday. Am I guessing right? :) <nicknames> Sometimes I wonder about them too. Mine, if you're curious comes from three things. Homage to all the great Kits I've seen in the media (Michael Knight's car, Pretty Woman's gal pal, Caramon and Raistlin Majere's badass half-sister, etc.), and homage to a Gargoyles fan I always thought had a great screen name (Demona Taina). Also homage to the katana sword.

Spike: Reunion 2? Yes!! <pumps arm enthusiastically> Doug and I will be there! :) Thanks also for the interesting Comics Continuum bit.

Ambrosia: I missed that! <slaps forehead> Guess it was a nit the TGS editors missed too.

Gside: Good points about the male fantasy. Best of luck with those exams and the big things due, hope you do great.

Aingeal: Ack! Condolences on the car wreck, glad you weren't hurt too badly and hope those who were recover soon. Good luck with the settlement and getting a new automobile. <looks for Otto Mobile, the Destroyer of Cars, and grabs him> Punish this guy if you like.

And for tonight, I guess that is it. Everyone have a happy vernal equinox and first day of spring! See you all again next time, hopefully with more good news. Later!

**RESUME RP, RAVENS' SAGA**

"You can't hurt them," Anthony repeats, waving at the group that stands before the Ravens. "Any of them. Well, maybe him," he points at Kharsus, "but the rest are Damned. They can only be hurt by other Damned. Like me." "What do you mean?" Tricia asks him. "What is a 'Damned?'" "There's really not time to explain," Anthony sighs. "Basically, you can't hurt them." "The Hellcop is right," Xothux chuckles at the Ravens. "Only he can kill us. The rest of you we shall easily finish off by the command of Thailog." "You're the fay Unseelie Xothux!" Lathrop points at him. "I recognize you from my studies. But you were supposed to have died in the First Unseelie War!" "All of us have died before, old man," Paul duGaul laughs. "But we came back from it." He brings up his gun and fires, scattering the Ravens and forcing Anthony to dive for cover behind a display case. Jammer and Tricia both scream as they are hit. Schaefer is also firing, his visage grim as the Ravens dodge his bullets. Elena burns up several shots before they can hit her, at the same moment letting loose a burst of energy that connects with Schaefer's SAW and blows it up in his face. Boris roars an oath at the big man and leaps on top of him. Soon they are both wrestling on the floor like Ventura and Claudia. Beside them, Lathrop conjures a spray of magical darts that streak into Xothux and knock him back while Shauna frantically searches her quiver for an iron arrow. Kharsus, having downed all the soldiers with his magic or caused them to flee, spins around and throws two bags on the ground. They burst into smoke and out of them step two huge spectral warriors who move to engage Jammer and Tricia while their conjurer flings spell energy at Elena. She dodges and flings energy back, hitting the sneering Kharsus's shields. "You must be the other granddaughter of Ian Telman," Paul duGaul says to Kit as she and Doug move to flank him and the grimacing Ty-Ubemngoe. "Pity you can't be on our side like your sister." Kit glances towards where Keith and Stephanie are fighting, then frowns. "You knew my grandfather?" "Didn't he mention me from the war?" the French soldier asks. "Paul duGaul? I saved his life a few times, and vice versa." "I think I can remember that name," Kit grimaces. "Some French soldier Grandpa Ian met who was an insane rapist, fanatical Nazi-hater almost as bad as the Nazis themselves. He said he would have gladly killed the guy if they hadn't been on the same side." duGaul lets out a snarl at the insult and spins to fire at her, but Doug slams into his backside and knocks him down. Growling, duGaul discards his gun and pulls out a wicked-looking knife, lunging at Doug with it. Doug draws his nightstick and engages the Frenchman, leaving Ty-Ubemngoe for Kit. "Come on, big boy," Kit waves at him, tossing away her emptied laser and getting into a fighting stance. "You scared of me?" "I am confused by you," Ty-Ubemngoe replies as she charges him, grabbing her and flinging her aside into a display window. "You are a gargoyle, it is day," he goes on as he advances on Kit, who is getting up with a dazed expression and wiping blood from her face. "I am damned, so I do not sleep in stone. You, though, should be stone now." "I'm only half-gargoyle," Kit tells him, launching a series of rapid punches at Ty-Ubemngoe that he blocks. She kicks him hard in the knee, but he is unfazed. Before she can even frown, he grabs her again and slams her into the wall, causing Kit to groan loudly. Nearby, Shauna and Lathrop are also groaning on the floor, both hit by power bolts from Xothux. "You can not hope to win, mortals," the Unseelie laughs at them, then screams as a bullet hits him hard in the left eye, knocking him flat on his back. "I can!" Anthony snaps, taking aim once more as Xothux gets up. Shauna and Lathrop's mouths fall open as they look from the clearly permanently wounded and growling Xothux to Anthony, whose next shot misses as the damned fay disappears. Anthony curses and looks around, then screams as he is hit and knocked down by a flash of lightning from Xothux, who now stands on a balcony above the battle. "I shall finish you, Hellcop!" he laughs as Anthony winces and struggles to get up. Tom is meanwhile looking around at all the fights and his wounded friends, his eyes suddenly going crestfallen as he spots the unconscious Leah being moved away from danger by Mansfield. "She's okay!" Mansfield shouts at Tom. "Behind you!" The engineer spins around and sees Claudia, her lips dripping with Jesse Ventura's blood, smiling at him. The Governor of Minnesota lies on the floor behind her, his body limp but his chest rising and falling to show he is barely alive. "His blood was delicious," Claudia chuckles at Tom. "Yours will be next!" The engineer screams as she leaps at him, hands going up to shield his face. As he is knocked down and the vampire child's fangs tear into him, the fights around them go on. Only Keith and Stephanie's is close to ending as she cuts him across the left forearm, his sleeve falling away and exposing a Watcher tattoo. "I always thought you were spying on me!" Stephanie growls at Keith, who remains stoic. "Bastard!" "I would have told you had you asked," Keith calmly replies, blocking her next slash and kicking Stephanie hard in the stomach, causing her to double over. His next series of chops and nunchuk blows knock her down and leave her in pain with many broken bones. "No more tranquilizer?" Stephanie growls as Keith stands over her and kicks away her sword. "Sadly no," Keith sighs, drawing her katana from his back. "Do it," Stephanie hisses at him as he lowers the blade towards her neck. "Otherwise I will heal soon and then you will be on the ground." "Not likely," Keith shakes his head. "I've always been faster and better than you." "Kill me then," Stephanie replies, grimacing as she pops one of her knees back into place. "If you can." Keith looks like he is about to move for an instant. "I cannot," he says. "I love you." Stephanie's eyes widen and her mouth falls open. Keith nods to indicate he is not kidding, still standing ready yet not making a move to attack. Stephanie shakes her head in disbelief, then throws it back and starts laughing at him as the screen goes blank.

**TO BE CONTINUED, END RP**
Kit
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:38:36 AM
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**WARNING, RP HAS BEEN SPOTTED ON THE HORIZON**

In his cold volcano fortress deep within Hell, Deavik is chuckling as he watches the world's largest oil rig go up in flames on a viewscreen and then sink into the sea. "Excellent test of the new kind of explosives I developed and gave to you and your friends," he turns and says to Larry Harper, who nods. "Thank you, sir," the damned rapist replies. "It was Perry Carson's idea though, not mine. That man wants to destroy all modern civilization, restore the environment the way he thinks it should be. He's nuts in my opinion." "Insane but useful," Deavik agrees. "Like many humans. Did he not see that the destruction of that oil rig would create a much larger environmental disaster than leaving it in place?" "I guess not, sir," Harper laughs. "Lord, the Taliban is displeased with the explosives you gave them," the jackal-demon Mikus says, walking into the throne room. "Their tests were not satisfactory." "Of course they were not," Deavik snorts. "Those explosives were defective. Did you really think I would give religious zealots, corrupted by their own power or not, access to the most powerful non-nuclear explosives ever developed in the history of war? Did they at least manage to do what I ordered them to do?" "Yes, Lord," Mikus nods. "The two great Choden Kal of the Middle East were destroyed. Now no spellcaster may use their power against us when we make our move to conquer the world. There are still many magic-enhancing statues on Earth, though, some nearly as large or even more." "None are in tune with the Earth's own power as much as those two great Buddhas were," Deavik makes a wave of dismissal. "The most powerful is in Indonesia, but the continual unrest my allies there are creating should keep it from being used." "Thousands of other statues were destroyed by the Taliban also," Mikus goes on. "To provide cover and confuse the knowing." "As I instructed," Deavik nods. "Inform Mullah Omar that we've discovered the explosives I had him use at first were planted by disloyal unobserving Muslims. That should calm him down- towards us, anyway." "Yes," Mikus agrees. "Sir, where shall my men and I strike next?" Harper asks. "George is pleased with our success but wants to do more. Every American unrepentant escaped convict and crazed fanatic who you have made part of our unit has a different proposal. What is your command?" Deavik thinks for a moment and is about to reply when a small purple imp teleports into the room and bows. "Yes, Quasit?" Mikus snarls at it. "Gothmenes requests a meeting of the Four," Quasit replies, not looking up. "Very well," Deavik answers. "I shall attend this meeting." He snaps his fingers and a folder appears in front of Harper. "Your next objective, Larry. Remember, create as much chaos and destruction as you can." Harper looks over the folder's contents and chuckles. "Once we get this guy as part of the team, that'll be even easier to do." He laughs and then teleports back to his army of crazed arch-criminals' encampment on Earth. "I'll be at the meeting Gothmenes requested," Deavik tells Mikus, then disappears. Mikus nods and then barks at Quasit, who chirps in fright and vanishes as well.

The display changes to Hope Island, where Duke Nukem and Kiff are working their way through the rain forest. Luten Plunder tiptoes after them at a discrete distance, his eyes on Duke's back. Thus he does not notice Kiff spotting his loud purple suit through the foliage. "Sir!" Kiff shouts, and Duke spends around, aiming his chaingun in the direction the alien is pointing. Plunder screams and drops to the ground, the bullets arcing over his head. Duke runs over and places his gun against the poacher's neck. "Alright, buddy," he growls. "What's the idea following me?" "I…" Plunder begins, then gasps. "Don't shoot me. I've made a fortune dealing in endangered species, I'll pay you anything you want!" "I already have all the money I could ever dream of," Duke snaps back. "And yet you give me almost none of it," Kiff mumbles. "What was that?" Duke asks. Kiff gulps and is about to make an inane answer when the loud screeching of rats surrounds them. "What the…" Duke begins, then screams in rage as dozens of rat-men burst out of the rain forest and charge him. Spinning around in a wide arc, he drives them back with his chaingun, killing most and scattering the rest heavily wounded. Kiff drops to the ground to escape getting shot himself, his hands on his ears. Plunder panics and tries to crawl away, but Duke tosses a pipe bomb after him that hits the poacher in the back and then explodes, destroying him and a large part of the rainforest. When the smoke from it clears, the remaining Eco-Villains are revealed standing in front of the Crystal Chamber's entrance, ready for battle yet looking dismayed. "So you guys were laying a trap for me," Duke sighs. "This really pisses me off." With that, he raises his chaingun and the bad guys raise their weapons in turn, all firing. Kiff moans loudly as he is engulfed by germ-filled goop from Sli Sludge's gun. "Use a medkit!" Duke yells at him, firing back and cutting down both Sli and his screaming slack-jawed assistant Ooze. Verminous Skuum leaps at him, but Duke kicks out and knocks him down, using a volley of gunfire to chop the rat-man in half. Then a surge of golden power hits him in the chest and knocks him down. "They were mere mortal humans," Zarm laughs at Duke, gathering energy again as he advances. "I am the very Spirit of Destruction! You can never hope to triumph over me!" "You're the Spirit of Destruction?" Kiff asks, in pain from the diseased goop but ignoring it as he stands up and tosses Zarm a book. "Read that! You'll see that someone else has destroyed more civilizations and alien races than you could ever hope to in a thousand years." Zarm frowns and flips through the book, not noticing that Duke is getting up behind him and readying another pipe bomb. "I don't believe this!" Zarm gasps as he reads. "Who wrote this? It must be fiction, it must…Augh!" He screams aloud as the pipe bomb goes off, its explosion shaking the island and shattering much of the Crystal Chamber's walls. "Nice use of my biography, Kiff," Duke tells his assistant after he uncovers his eyes and sees Zarm has been reduced to a pile of ash. "For once it came in handy, sir," Kiff nods, smiling as he pours pure water on Zarm's ashes just in case he tries to rise again. "Shall we check out that crystal building now? I hope the cure for whatever is causing black sores to break out all over me is inside." "Just stay as far back from me as possible till we find it," Duke orders him, then they head into the Crystal Chamber as the screen goes blank.

**COMING SOON- THE MICE WHO WANT TO CONQUER EARTH VS. ITS SPIRIT. FOR NOW END RP**

Hi everyone! <waves> Time for a big post once again. :) Good and bad news on the house- the utilities should all be completely installed by next week, but the building inspector couldn't check anything out until they were completed and installed, so we have to reschedule with him. :( Oh well. Things are going alright for all our friends here, the biggest news on their front is that Gubio got a job offer from Microsoft today- they saw some of his freelance game work and liked it- but he declined for reasons that should be obvious. <smirks> I turned in the paper I was writing on the Buffy character Spike for one of my psychology classes, hopefully I'll get a good grade on it- I had to revise it heavily over the weekend, called in Sunday to work on it and it ended up being seventeen double-spaced pages long. <wipes sweat from brow> So it better do good! :) Doug and I saw and enjoyed Enemy at the Gates this weekend (go see that movie, it's the first great war epic of the millenium- way better than Saving Ryan's Privates, equally great cinematography aside. Like he said, excellent plot and characters, wonderfully scripted and displayed emotion, action, history incorporation, and romance. This movie deserves all the success it can get. :). Doug's been enjoying some days off lately, but tomorrow he goes back to work and so do I. Spring break was overall alright, though not as fun as it could have been, especially if I had gotten to meet SOROW instead of having to visit Houston. :( My parents were okay when I saw them, Mom and Dad both doing fine. I was glad to know that, but could have learned it over the phone. <grimace> Oh well, on to replies.

Cat: My high school had a Prom for Peace the year after I graduated. From what I heard it went well. :) <A Tribe Apart> That book's been on my to-read list for a while, but I have yet to get around to opening it. Thanks for the reminder. Ever feel ghosts in the area? I bet that place has at least some. <shivers>

Imzadi: Like the luck-related Napoleon quote, that was Ray's senior quote from high school. :) Doug and I are not married yet, like he said. <hears whip sound and grimaces> FYI, I happen to despise those things. And on opinions, when we get married, I intend to let Doug have opinions of his own. As long as they're the same as my opinions or nearly so, there will be no problems. <grin> Glad you acknowledge that all the members of a gender can't suck at something, hope you soon encounter some good women drivers and ride with them. Thanks for making all those Gargoyles icons, I'm still finding good places for them. Hope you can make them PC-compatible soon so they can go in those places. :) <Ignore Kit's advice, you don't want the guy to think you're stalking him> Oh come on, what guy wouldn't enjoy being stalked by a young pretty girl with a nice sweet personality like Beth's? <chuckles> Hope you never go crazy with loneliness if you intend to be a dedicated hardcore bachelor-for-life, good luck. :) I wish I could make the same choice you have about Fridays. :P

Warpmind: Congrats on getting over your long illness. May it never come back. <smiles, then coughs loudly> Now put out that cigar before I shove it up your anus. <coughs again>

Niamhgold: Congrats on making it to spring break! Hope to see you in here soon. <screams your name again just to be sure>

Conspiracy Theorist: Thanks for the continued laughter from the bits about Clinton. The truth can often be funny. <grin> You're welcome on the detective comments. So I've seen from your posts so far pretty much. :) You should put them to good use in Bengali's fic, but I still wish you luck just the same. And I'll regret her apparent departure from the fandom. <sigh> I wish gang members and nuts wouldn't wear trench coats too. Unfortunately they have to wear something. :(

Kaioto: <laughs at troll bits> If you're trying to make us like you even though you're a harsh administrator by making us laugh, I think it's working. For me, anyway. :) Put me down as another person who finds adventure more enjoyable if it has a reason behind it. All my adventures have had one, and I can honestly say I'm proud of that, though the reasons weren't always good ones. :( Rushes I have experienced too, though, and I can understand and also like them. :) <Luxuries after obligations> When I'm in a realistic or pragmatic mood, that's me. When I'm not, which is most of the time,…:) <in total agreement about the rules>

Ravyn: Congrats on the race win. Bet you feel proud. <smiles at remains of snuffed-out candle> Anybody ever even tries to light that again, they will have to deal with me. <A couple of jerks who were trying see her red eyes and run frightened out of the room>

Coyote: Thanks for naming all those racing women, I had only ever heard of Sara Fisher and Shirley Muldowney before, but I'm glad to know the others' names as well. :) Good luck with that course you're taking. Another good trait for a counselor to have indeed. I agree with you that Xenatrek definitely has it and it does her credit. I like to think I have a strong will too. :)

Emmabu: Congrats to your cousin Erin, hope she and her new husband are happy together for a long time. <fires a DC-seeking missile in your name> May your posts never again have difficulty!! I too give you condolences on the lousy Spring Break, hope your next one is better. Thanks for the good wishes on the house. <getting into AvMists> Best of luck! Congrats on the solo, and I really wish I could attend that great party you described. <sighs>

Gside: <reads emulation comments, grimaces> That's the point of playing any game, I think. And you can actually kill Kraid? (I suck at Metroid.)

Beth H.: Congrats on getting that guy you like to go out with you. I hope you two are having a good relationship so far, best of luck with it. <date anime> I haven't seen too much anime, so I really can't make a suggestion. I really enjoyed seeing Princess Mononoke on a date once, though (but that could have just been cause I was with Doug :).

Juliaexia: <chuckles over feline noises comment Lain made> You can do that in here anytime if you feel like it. Glad to see you back again, hope you're doing okay. I would have e-mailed you this weekend, but that Spike paper…<snarls> This weekend I promise to make time to send you a message, and I should be able to keep the promise too. :)

Jannie: <well said> Thank you. I agree with you on rich people, they are not automatically evil or lazy. Most of the ones I know are hard workers (or at least act like it) and are even kind and decent. Some, though, aren't. :( I agree with you that disabled kids should be treated as normal also- Doug has a learning disability that was never really acknowledged, he was raised normally, and he's turned out great. :) Condolences on having to deal with disabilities in your kids, especially Michael's potential one- I hope he really doesn't have it. <crosses fingers along with you> Good luck dealing with things, though, if worse comes to worse. I also agree with you on panic, fear, and safe havens, much as it pains me. <sighs> Best of luck to that girl you mentioned, I'll keep her and her sanity in my prayers. Congrats on surviving that Houston storm, my parents were also hit hard by and lost power in it. :( Texas weather drives me nuts sometimes too, but one gets used to it. Doug is. <testosterone> You can put me down as a woman who is a risk taker and proud of it, all hormones and instincts aside! :)

DPH: I too wish you luck with all on your to-do list, especially the paranoia as it will keep you from doing all those other things to the best of your ability. :) Nice thoughts on writing by committee and its merits. <chuckles at processor comments related to brain functions> Congrats on getting over your stomach problems, and I hope you're soon again getting enough sleep. Good luck to your friend with the divorce.

Firestorm: I have all the 49 songs from Empire Records on CD, thanks to the miracle of CD burning and great friend Gubio! <maniacal laugh> I agree with you that the official soundtrack should have been bigger, though. :( Maybe they made it small because the movie didn't do too well. <grimaces because she liked it> <Fantasies> Doug has those fantasies also, our opinions on them are pretty much the same as yours and Lady Mystic's. He'd like to see me do some of the things you described, too, but I don't do them because it would hurt him on some level and he knows that too. Talking to, touching, kissing, hugging, and sparring with other girls in a purely friendly nonloving way is not something I refrain from doing, though- those acts and his imagination allow the fantasies some satisfaction. And even if the fantasies can never really be acted out to completion, that doesn't mean I don't enjoy hearing about them sometimes and exchanging some of my own with him, speculating about what COULD happen. <grin> Okay, we have a weird relationship, we know. :) <Heart Arrythmia> Ack! Sorry to hear you have that. My brother does too, and my father and grandfather both had it before it went dormant and then later returned as full-fledged ischemia. <grimaces> Good luck keeping your heart healthy and getting its rythyms back to normal however you can.

Lain: Sympathies on the lab problems, I've been in the same situation many times. It doesn't make you a moron IMO, though, it's just bad luck. <snappy mean instructor> Condolences on having to deal with that person in particular. I hate such people also. Usually I'm snappy and mean right back at them- it doesn't earn me too many brownie points, but it's gratifying nonetheless. :) Congrats on having Lynati with you, hope you two are having lots of fun together. Don't get in any fights over the bed or shower, though. <smiles over the descriptions of time spent together with Lynati> Ah, the pleasures of having good friends nearby. :) <shower parties> I enjoy those too. Been a while since I've had one with my girlfriends, though. <resolves to change that in the near future> <reads over mother bit and chokes back tears> I often feel the same way about my grandfather, I didn't cry that much at his death but whenever I find myself unable to remember things about him… :( Don't worry, I'm sure your memories of your mother are there just like my grandfather's memories are for me. You just have to think hard enough to dig them up. Again, condolences on the loss. <funerals> Such people as you describe are often merely trying to hide their grief and deal with it by ignoring it. If they're not, and I've met a few people like that, I automatically cross them off my Christmas card lists. <learning-disabled cousin> She will remain in my prayers, I too am angry that her parents are keeping her tied-down so much as you describe and thankful that she has you and that other friend at least. She should not have to take as much emotional abuse as you describe, no one should. Having friends available to help her deal with it can only be a major blessing. :) May more soon come her way. <cloning> I shivered when I heard that too. Then I remembered when my mom needed a new liver once, and it cost someone else their life to give her one, and how I'll need a new uterus to ever have children of my own. It still upsets me to think of human cloning being used for that, but I don't think I'd be able to not support it at least a little bit. :( <essay remarks> LOL Congrats on getting two of them finished, especially the big one. Good luck on the next.

Christine: Yep, me too. My main beef with Dark Tower is all its contunity problems. I never like those, period, but in an ongoing series they can really be bad. :P Glad to hear Archmage is completed, I hope to be reading it very soon.

Bronx: Thanks for posting Green Baron's address. Doug and I will make up a care package for him this weekend and send it. Hmm, Fort Sill- my brother was stationed there for a while too back when he was in the Army. Wonder if they have any of the same drill instructors. Glad to see you delurking, btw. :)

Mecord: Good points about coping and bullying. I intend to teach coping to kids, but not just give the usual advice. <grins> It will be coupled with self-defense instruction, recommendations on finding friends to help your self-esteem stand up to the bully's taunts, and viewings of a Simpsons episode where bullied kids fought back. :) <red hair> Funny, the biggest bully I ever knew in school was a redhead. I was picked on by him all the time, girls were his favored target. He beat me up twice too, and I beat him up once. :) Don't know where he is now. <June 16th> Hmm, that's coming up quickly. Congratulations again to you both. Cat, if you want to tell me the story, I wouldn't mind hearing it. Love stories are always enjoyable for me outside of cheesy romance novels (some women like reading those, I would if only the heroines were more like Anita Blake). <caffeine deficiency> Good comment on that. I must note, though, that too much caffeine sometimes puts me to sleep as easily as too little. Go figure. <shrugs> Condolences on your spring break ending, good luck with getting back to work and school. Hope you'll still find time to post in here, if only now and then.

Valentine: Sorry to hear the week you arrived in here is lost permanently, I'd like to think of it as a momentous event. :) Congrats on getting your bus tickets, have fun in Canada when you go. <reads over knife comments and laughs>

Tim Phipps: <No Guns in This House sign> You might not believe this, but one of my brother's neighbors in Oklahoma City actually put one of those signs in his front yard to lure criminals to his house so he could shoot them. It didn't work, though- the prominently displayed hunting trophies in the living room may have given away the lie.

SJ: <Teenage girls as the worst drivers in the world> I could agree with you on that, I've seen many teenage girls who stink behind the wheel. Some still do (I can see one in the mirror), although most I've met have improved with enough practice. <relieved sigh> You're not the first person to criticize Doug like you have, nor the last probably. He's stood by his middle of the road opinions through them all, and shown balls more often then you might believe. You've made good points, though, especially about how you have to disagree with people sometimes no matter what. I agree with you on that. I don't think what recently happened here is the kind of situation where that was the best course, though. More on the situation below. <Midterms> Good luck dealing with those horrors, I also despise them. Statistics midterms especially. I had to take a course in statistics my sophomore year and never want to take one again, thank you. <snarls> Enough said.

Pistoff: Congrats on the new house, but condolences on the need to move and the high price of it. I hope this one at least works out better than your last one did, and is a safer place to live. Good luck settling into it, hope you never have the need to move again or at least not for a long time. Congrats on possibly getting a story published, hope that works out. Thanks for the clarification to Denis, I'm glad to have read it. He did some very good work for you, you should not throw out it all. <bit to Doug> I think you and SJ missed the point of his comments- it wasn't to agree with everyone, it was more to take a compromising stance and try to remain outside the discussion and somehow resolve it. I guess now we've just buried things again. :( As long as certain people among us refuse to even acknowledge the possible merits of any side of the discussion other than theirs, it will unfortunately stay that way. :P Put me down as another person who thinks Kaioto was doing his job, not playing favorites at all. Question- would you have liked things better if he did play favorites and you were the favorite he played? It seems to me you would have, judging from your posts, and that is an honest opinion based on what I've read, I am not biased against you in any way. It is also the truth, same as the truth you say you've been posting. You can still refuse to acknowledge it if you like. <I've been screwed royally by people I thought were friends> My condolences. News flash- you're not alone. I'm sorry that such a common experience has made you such a hateful, vindictive, and selfish person. You have good qualities, and the potential to be judged fairly based on them, but if you keep showcasing your bad qualities to people in the way you have recently, you're going to be judged more by them whether you like it or not. This too is a statement of truth, it is in no way intended as a flame. If you choose to see it as such, though, well, I can't stop you. Believe what you wish, I hope you can accept the consequences. I will say no more.

Aingeal: Sorry to hear about you and Archwolf. <sighs> Oh well, if you think things are better off for you both this way, then I wish you both the best. Good luck dealing with those issues you mentioned, I hope you're still keeping Archwolf around as a friend to help deal with them. <online party next week> I may attend that. Don't expect any silliness though, I'm not known for it. :( <rolls eyes over friend comments> You have my condolences on that stupid person's opinions. I don't know you that well, but I don't think you're shallow, rotten, or self-absorbed at all. The person who accused you of being such things might be. <grimace> Hope you can get the friend he denied you back someday somehow. Imzadi is right that you're better without the guy.

Patrick, Kathy: We'll be as generous as we like with Gathering money. :) I'm not sure we should be as generous as Doug implied though, we do have a budget. <heavy sigh> Don't worry, we're gonna get a supporting membership at least no matter what. <Madame Destine comments> Acknowledged.

Gun Control: To me it means using guns rarely, safely, and well, and encouraging others to do the same. Coupled with enforcing our existing laws a little better, like I said last week.

Cairo, Tamerlane: Welcome!!

Reliable Computers: Doug's and mine (a Dell Dimension T-550) is reliable most of the time. :) When it isn't, we know who to kill.

Kyryn: <wrestling on the hoods of speeding cars> I would pay to see that. :)

McDonald's Meals Being Banned: This movement will hopefully never have any results. This coming from a girl who always icily glares at any waiter who dares to offer her nutritous food over fattening, diet coke over regular cola, decaf over coffee, etc.

Denis: You have every right to be fed up with Fred- I am too, especially since he's a hypocrite (if he doesn't like sex in fics, why he does put characters like Otto in his?). Hope he sees your points, and mine. Good post on your feelings, for the record I applaud your stance on the TGS-verse and its place in the fics. Hope Fred keeps the good parts of it you helped him incorporate, with or without you. <Wide Eyes Inc.> I'll have Dragon's Lair special order that comic for me, hope to enjoy it. Best of luck with your contributions. Oh, Happy Belated Birthday and welcome back to the CR!! :)

GXB: Thanks for your support to Doug and the stance he chose to take. He appreciates it and so do I. :)

Jaden: Congrats on surviving the snow, hope the same can soon be said for the rain.

END OF PART 1
Kitainia
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:37:46 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.100.dlls.grid.net

Mac Fans: It would appear that OS-X dosn't support DVD, DVD-RW, or CD-RW drives!

Warpmind: <I'll believe THAT was a tragic story, yeah. ;)>
Damn straight!
<And NO, I am NOT overclocking Hideous Anomaly. I kinda doubt the 486 processors allow that, anyway... ;)>
How would you ever know if you don't try?
You are probally at, what, 33mhz bus with a 1x multiplier? Try the next step up!
Try a 1.5X multiplier!
Whats the worst that can happen... you find out what burning electronics smells like!

Question for all of you posters not in the United States:
In a conversation some weeks ago, LM, I and Unknown Friend (to protect his identity incase this starts a flame war), were talking about Japenese films, TV, ETC.
There were a few things that we really couldn't figure out, so we wrote it off as "It's Japenese! We wouldn't understand it and we really shouldn't try understanding it."
While watching "Interview with a Vampire" (the vampire theater scene), we were talking about as to why this was done, and we wrote it off as "It is Late 1800's French. We wouldn't understand it and we really shouldn't try understanding it."
Some British humor.
Etc, Etc.
Say what you want about "But we are all humans." True, but our cultures vary drasticaily around the planet, and to some extent, around the state.
So, along this line, what can be written off as "Well, it's American. We wouldn't understand it and we really shouldn't try understanding it."
And, no, I do not mean stereotypes such as American's baseball and apple pie, Canadian's hockey and beer, and Japenese tourists.
Just little cultural details about America that people not in America could not or would not understand.
And while I probally do see what they are, I would like to know what the view point from an non-American would be.

Titan AE: It's Drej according to the Titan AE web site.

SUPER SHUTTLE: They RULE! They were the best in New York!

Imzadi: 
So, in theory, lead and depleated uranium would be the best protection, correct?
<The TiBook is hands down the sexiest computer ever built>
Even *I* will agree with that!

Caliope: <lol thats true, you get tons of it about posible endings that are quite fun, but none of 'em are quite official, ya know>
Does the author of Ranma 1/2 have a kinda of "Ask Greg?"

Gside: <At least it sounded like he was having some fun before he went>
A party is a party!
<But maybe not the ferret>
Just give Kiki something shiny and she will be happy!

Too bad there is no real way to test if something is good against an EMP short of a nuclear detonation.
<The title happened to be Okonomiaki Orgy.>
Hmm... I seem to be afraid now...

Aingeal: <Anyone know a good place to get a decent car cheap on the east coast?>
Just the usual resources. Friends and family.
At least you walked away ok.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:19:21 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Well.. what a fun nite.. to top off my weekend... i just totalled my car. Anyone know a good place to get a decent car cheap on the east coast?

::grumbles:: woman pulled across road in front of me in a black camaro... i couldn't do anything.. t-boned her... ::sighs:: I loved my car... but I walked away.. my friend was hurt a lil more, but walked out of hosp... the other woman didn't get so lucky.,. she was stil there when we left... but it's her fault.. wish me luck in settlement.

anyway... I FINISHED catching up on TGS episodes!! yay! I'm working on Timedancer now.

I've got to run.. sleep calls..

::hugs to wolf for being there and supportive::
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Pain, Hades, Carless
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:05:20 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Sarge > I recommend one per person per category, so you don't wind up competing against yourself ; ) The categories all look like fun and I wish I could enter. Downside to being on staff! I may have to take some independent stabs at some of those myself.

Speaking of fanfics, I finished "The Guardians: Cobalt" last night but probably won't have a chance to post it until Thursday, for those who've been wondering ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:40:08 PM
IP: 01-031.075.popsite.net

Coyote again> "They" in the previous post being MSU, *not* Gonzaga! Sorry if there was any confusion. ;)
Ravyn
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:28:47 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Coyote> And you can be sure I'm following Arizona's ascent just as closely...good luck to you guys against Gonzaga...I've seen 'em in action before, and they can be tough. Here's hoping that they win, so that we can be totally silly and annoy everyone when our two teams play each other! :) **winks back**
Ravyn
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:28:03 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Short, quick and to the point ...

XenaTrek: Yessir, I'm following MSU's ascent. Gonzaga's gonna be a scary opponent, they have a knack at rising to the occasion when it comes to playing much higher-ranked teams.

Of course, things get interesting if they get to the national semis and play Arizona ... **winks at Ravyn** MSU vs. 'Zona ... that'll be fun. **grins**
Coyote the Bando
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:23:20 PM
IP: 216.28.101.98

Ahh, busy week. Exams monday and thursday, two semi big things due friday. Good thing one exam is down and one big thing is done. Too bad the other two are worse (both for principles).

Lady Mystic> <<You mean about women?>>: Yes, I was referring to The male fantasy.
<<How can I compete with another woman?>>: Better than another man where there are quantifiable measurements (reminds me of the Darwinism THL), and, I believe, much stronger sociologically ingrained psychological pressures. Wait, I'm an engineer, I should be laughing at phrases like that last one, not making them up.
<<So we don't do them>>: Of course, I was only making an offhanded remark about The male fantasy. Which actually kind of makes sense from a genetic standpoint.

Dreamie> My condolences about your Grandfather.

Why does my computer think my blank CDs are 650megs? They're 700s. Anyone know of any good free win Cd burning software?

Imzadi> <<how is Graeme pronounced?>>: I've been going with the SI unit of mass.
<<Maeve?>>: I vote like maze with a v.
<<I'm sorry. That doesn't qualify for my "great quotes" page>>: How about "We have five unknowns, one of which is given." -Prof. P. Sannuti. Or how about "As always there is a good chance I will be checking e-mail, by clamping down my teeth onto the overhead wires and whistling modem tones if necessary." -Aaron Richton. And a perennial favorite: "I have the key to your room! You better sleep with underwear on tonight!" -Elias Liolios, Rutgers housing staff.

Lain> <<and she's MINE Warpmind!! AAAAALL MIIIIIINE!>>: Excuse me for a second.... Okay. And I reiterate my point about The male fantasy.

Warpmind> <<IT'S EVEN INVADED AVALON HIGH!>>: Does it count if it's a guest sunday?

Shinigami> <<Wanna make out with me and Crzy behind the lockers?>>: ....

New TGS> Nice, and Lex just might be the new mac daddy.

Stefa> <<don't know who to ask for the characters>>: If they're cannon characters, put a good disclaimer. If they're original, ask the original author nicely.

Calíope> <<you REALY think thats healthy?>>: No, but it should be fun.
<<whatta ya mean, I dont get it>>: Think Marie Antionette. Don't worry about it, I was reaching.
<<it says they're working on ep 30 and they only have up to ep 27 in the archaives>>: What's New. There's also DnUs 9-12.

Daniel Johnson> <>: That's disgusting.

Fire Storm> <<Very tragic story>>: At least it sounded like he was having some fun before he went. But maybe not the ferret.
<<they reflect within a certian range>>: I think if you close off the holes in the cage, and make it a box, it'll block off all wavelengths.
<>: It is quite scary, but I don't think there was any FGT influences, it was a lemon after all. The title happened to be Okonomiaki Orgy.

Happy Birthday Winterwolf.

Welcome Back Sarge.
<<How many people remember me?>>: Way hey. How can I forget when I own part of your town?

Warpmind> <<this is between Mara, Aaron, me and maybe Marina>>: But wont Ed feel left out?

Cairo> Never fear. The writers rotate from one series to the next doing a season at a time. They'll get back to it eventually. Just sit back and enjoy the new episodes of vanilla TGS.

Has it been slow lately or is it just me?

And I think I'll do a double billing of mp3s for my current fanfic addiction. You get Crash Test Dummies' Comin' Back Soon (The Bereft Man's Song) and Traveling Wilburies' Rattled. Both of which I think fit rather nicely with Mousse. And I'll get to requests eventually.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:55:21 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Oops, Spoilers down there |
V
(I've been getting 403 forbidden errors when I've tried to post, I didn't think it would actually work...)

Ambrosia
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:41:02 PM
IP: acab31b0.ipt.aol.com

Am I the only one who noticed that during the Druj attack, Lexington shouted out Kirstie's name and by the end of the episode, didn't know it?
Ambrosia
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:38:32 PM
IP: acab31b0.ipt.aol.com

Not much to say tonight. Just wanted to pop in and say I love you guys. Great ep as well! I can't wait to see the next.
SOROW
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:04:07 PM
IP: a030-0811.dll2.splitrock.net

To the creators/writers of Dark Ages...
You can't leave me hanging like that! And what do you mean, HIATUS? I simply adore the series, it is a wonderful way to know where the Manhattan Clan hails from. So Please, by all means, KEEP WRITING!
Cairo - [NavyDragon261@juno.com]
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 09:09:09 PM
IP: client-151-197-120-79.phila.dialup.bellatlantic.net

Suppose to be doing homeowrk right now. GAH!!!!!!

Caliope>> NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I want to learn JAPANESE!!! I've gotten many books and I have been to many sites but none of it is as good as learning from a teacher. I'm hoping to go to a good college with Japanese....and then move TO Japan and watch ANIME all DAY! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I get many a weird looks from fellow students at school. Especially when I laugh at the end of explaing what I want to do.

Sarge. The real inventor of the Internet. =)
Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, Vermont, USA
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 08:22:28 PM
IP: acae6314.ipt.aol.com

(hugs Caliope back)
James Birdsong - [LennexmacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 04:04:36 PM
IP: adsl-63-207-130-97.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

Hey everybody. This isn't really Garg related, but I know there are alot fo Babylon 5 fans in here, so I thought I'd repost this for all to see.

This is from the SCIFI channel's offical web site:

SCI FI To Air New Babylon 5

Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski is working on a two-hour telefilm called Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers that will premiere on SCI FI later this year. The film will take up the story of the legendary Ranger fleet as it attempts to restore order to hundreds of civilizations devastated by the Shadow War.

This new chapter of the Babylon 5 story finds the mysterious Ranger force--a combination of humans and alien Minbari trained in space warfare as well as the unique alien philosophy of the Rangers and just about every conceivable form of martial arts--faced with deadly challenges in its attempt to create peace out of the war's destruction.

Babylon 5 cast members may appear in the movie, which will also serve as the pilot for a potential SCI FI Channel series. Douglas Netter is executive producing the series along with Straczynski.

It should kick alot of ass...
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, TX
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 03:17:39 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

*Warpmind enters, smoking a huge cigar and wearing a t-shirt with a print that promotes a smoking-free environment.* Nobody pays any attention to me... not even me...

Hyperion: So what's the book about anyway?

Winterwolf: Still, you're not impressing me much. However, I'll admit, I am *slightly* impressed that, with all those applications open, WINDOWS didn't go kablooie on you... };)

Josh: Um, amigo, I kinda doubt you were around to get the background on the lapdance issue there. };) No offense, but this is between Mara, Aaron, me and maybe Marina. };)

Sarge: Welcome back! I doubt you're limited to one entry in the writers' contests - I myself have one ready, and I'm fighting with another (only one per theme), but... *Shrug*

Dreamie: As I said, e-mail me. ;) (Oh and we're not planning to use turkey basters internally... at least not in public, anyway.) };)

Well, that's about it... later, muchachos.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 03:00:45 PM
IP: mp-217-201-188.daxnet.no

DPH sent me, his hologram, in to let everyone know due to time constraints and sleep problems that he will not make a full (or fool) post today. He also wants everyone to know he plans on BFTS RPing tomorrow, if and only if everything goes according to plan.
DPH's hologram - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 01:54:51 PM
IP: max1-65.cwy.cei.net

LOL very funny Dreamie I went ot your site I lived in washington not only two months ago I had to move here to Arizona. A washington Clan not a bad idea at all. Well I hope too see and tlak with you soon bye bye ~_~
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:47:52 PM
IP: 1cust8.tnt12.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Gunjack Valentine>> O ye of little faith..
Guess who got their 1,285 word astronomy on the subject of sunspots and the Maunder Minimum essay in today??? HUH??? HUH????
WHO do you think it was????
WHO got up at 8am and finished the shiny essay with piles of envigorating sentances like: "however, the records seem to show that there are spaces of high sunspot activity punctuated by periods of solar calm."?????? ooooo aaaaaah...
yeah yeah anyway its done and handed in so there..
MEEEEEE!! BWA HA!!
now i have to start one about greek and roman armour and weaponry. yahoo. :P

Yeah.. and its all about Titan: A.E... mmmm corso... *smacks self again* ];)

*exist singing to the tune of American Pie*
"my my this here annakin guy
maybe vader some day later
now hes just a small fry
he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
singin soon im gonna be a jedi
yeah.."

;)

love,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
like.. the Great White North eh?
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:39:21 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Hi!!!! * ^_~ *

*drums finger tips together* Guess who's starting japanise classes this friday?!?!!? GUESS?!?!?!!? ME!!!!!!! *wild maniacle laughter echos through the room* ...once I get that outta the way, there will be NO STOPPING ME!!!!! *laughter continues*

eh-hem...and now, for some quick responses so they dont all gang up on me, cuz I dont know when I'll be able to reply, maybe till next week, or maybe on friday or...I'm babbling!!!...and soon I'll be able to babble in jap!!!...ok!!!...on with the post!!! :P

Fire Storm><<That's what fan-fic is for!>> lol thats true, you get tons of it about posible endings that are quite fun, but none of 'em are quite official, ya know. I donno, maybe I just need some closure :P And its Manga. If your looking to actualy buy the grafic novels, your best bet would proabably be www.viz.com. As for net scan ins and such, I realy wouldnt know.

Winterwolf> *blinx* ...*pokes* :P

Well, thats all for now, I'll see ya guys!!! *HUGZ all and scampers off*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:36:51 PM
IP: 136.145.83.183

*peeks in for a quick moment*

Kathy> THANK YOU! =) I have copied the shuttle information and will use that to transport to and from the airport/hotel.
The reason why we're not flying into Burbank is because it's more expensive and longer flying time to do it. The sooner I can get off of the airplane, the better! ;)
I _hate_ flying!

Josh> thank you for your very kind offer! We may take you up on it and I will gladly donate to the "gas fund" :)
I haven't decided if I'm going to rent a car for the weekend or not.
Jannie
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 09:35:43 AM
IP: 118.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Anonymous> I disagree. It's a Gargoyles universe well known fact by now. Brooklyn timedanced to Atlantis once so I knew it would be this way. Beloc the mad yep knows "Vengenge begets nothing but futher vengence"
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 09:12:25 AM
IP: adsl-63-207-129-16.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net

FYI: There's a great interview with Frank Paur in today's Comics Continuum -- he compares X-men Evolution with Gargoyles. Not bad!

Reunion 2 is coming in just two weeks --- March 30th thru April 7th! We're currently accepting submissions in our art and writing contests. For more information, check our website at http://www.firefox.org/reunion/

See you there!!
Spike - [<== Comics Continuum]
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 08:57:00 AM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-227.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

TODD> Also, we did discuss this Druj thing, and I'll say again now what I did then...

Persian Mythology had the Druj before Titan A.E. did. Nothing wrong with using the name. Besides I believe Lain said it was spelled 'Drej' in the movie.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 08:03:46 AM
IP: dialin-590-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Well, the druj were the only thing that we could find in Persian mythology that felt right for the role, so we didn't have that much of a choice.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 08:00:06 AM
IP: 216.87.46.107.dialup-stl.primary.net

:::scampers into the CR:::
Hey all! Here for a quickie post...

Warps: <<Oh, now don't you go plotting, too, y'hear?>> Ah yes but it just makes things so much more interesting. ^_~ <<(Hmmm... then again... e-mail me, and we can plot evilly together, y'know, streamline the scheming?) };) >> What did you have in mind? BTW, I don’t work with turkey basters, they can give an unsightly rash.

Welcome back Sarge!

Imzadi: <<Today, I got a sweeeeeet picture of Brooklyn to iconize (thanks Dreamie).>> Happy to be of service. <<GROAN that was awful!>> Mission accomplished. <<Please try again. >> If you insist... “Speak when you are angry, and you will make the best speech you will ever regret.” Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

Stefa: <<your welsome Dreamie and i was wondering do you know where can I get some gargoyle comics or something? >> Either you hold up a novelty comic book vault with a banana in your jacket pocket or you type a search in Ebay. Choose one ^_~

Thank you for all the condolences on my Grandfather. You really never expect something quite so quick.

Winterwolf: <<**stunt double takes over and laughs loudly** Whew!>> Hey!! Er... wait a minute... There are *two* of you now? :::grins evilly::: <<Sure it's silly but that's the point! ^_^>> :::chuckles::: Exactly. <<see no takers on what today is yet. Well it's been low key for the most part. Well it is the standard milestone we all have in life. If that doesn't just give it away I don't know what will. ;) >> Something... *fishy* you say? Ah Wolfie I‘ll say it, lest the room forget your Birthday you fishy Pisces you! Speaking of which, here’s your horoscope for the day, courtesy stormnet.net: “There is no reason why you should lack confidence. If you are able to keep your nerves under control you have every chance of coming out on top. An original idea is not always enough, you need the courage to put it into action. Your partner may have an unorthodox approach, two minds are apt to be better than one on this occasion.” Happy Birthday.. and... :::tickles Wolfie until he can’t breathe::: Mua hahahaha! ^_^

:::waves and scampers back out:::
Dreamie
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 02:40:49 AM
IP: ac8b6ae0.ipt.aol.com

WHOA I'm back! Man has it been a long time! I've just came in from London and boy are my wings tired! HA HA . . . okay so you've heard that one before . . .

:: stoops down and flutters his large wings grinning all around him.::
Hmm hmmm! Wow! new season of Gargoyles. The Gathering of 2001 coming soon. A a whole lotta new pictures showed up since I was gone! Boy why did I ever leave?!?

Oh yeah. My adolescnt life of High School where I had no idea who I was and my Hero's Journey ventured into the threshold of trying to find my individuality. And I'm still IN High School! For a whole nother year too!

Well I may be HORRIBLY young, but at least I'm mature. ::smiles::

::There are some gagging laughters and a few hysterical giggles in the back ground::

Well, maybe I still have my innocence sweltering off a bit....::rolls eyes::

So. How many people remember me? How many can't remember me from nearly a year ago. And How many people here are new?

Probably won't matter. Every time I say I'm coming back for good, I leave! Well.... I'll try ONE more time! Okay folks? ahem...::clears his throat:: I will stay.

There see? And I will try to keep to my.....

Oh...ha ha... flying pigs....very funny...I can see the fish wire you know....

Anyway enough of my elongated . . . errr I mean . . . unpredicted ramble. I've really came to ask Christine a question.

For the Gargoyles writing contest you were describing Christine.... is it that I can submit:

1 fan-fic
1 original short story
1 essay
1 screen play

for a total of 4 stories allowed to be submitted?

Or is it I have to shoose ONE of those and keep it limited to ONE entry. . =)

Sorry if I can't understand properly. Thanks anyway! It's going to be hard either way because I've already thought up good ideas for each of the themes. =P Guess I'll have to choose the best one(s).

See ya all later!

Sarge Abernathy
The Incredible Edible Sarge!
(isn't that the WORST pick-up line? I should know....I've gotten slapped many times for trying it out.)

Sarge Abernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, VT, USA
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:56:42 AM
IP: ac81ae7f.ipt.aol.com

Denis> If I heard right, happy belated birthday! Let me know if you still need a place to stay the last night of the con. I'm sure my family wouldn't mind lending a fellow Belge a hand. =)
Vashkoda - [nquanqui@aecom.yu.edu]
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:41:46 AM
IP: dyn-118-136.res.aecom.yu.edu

Imzadi:
Muhahahah! I'm typing on it right now. I have found zero defects. Just finished setting everything up the way I like it. Got a partition set aside for OS X which I hear should be in my hands on Saturday. :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:14:46 AM
IP: adsl-138-89-66-131.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Well, I had my physics midterm on relativty and polarization and stuff, only there was no relativity on it! Just some stuff about photons colliding with electrons. Yawn. Hope I did well. I managed to get a start on my new programming project which is due the day I get back from spring break. And the bad news doesn't stop there: I also have two midterms on the wednesday after I get back. Argh! Can't they just let us BREAK over spring break? Isn't that what its for?

Patrick: I wouldn't use priceline to save my soul. Which brings me to my quote for this post...(see bottom of post).

GXB: Okay, I believe you. But it still FELT forced, especially in light of our recent conversations in the CR. <<Well, you never know>>: I can see your Xanatosian smirk. STOP DOING THAT! 8-). <<Atheism vs Religion again>>: I thought we just had a mac/pc debate! 8-)

Conspiracy Theorist: <<It's hell on earth dealing with inept computer store workers>>: I know. I work tech support. 8-) << uncovering the Smurfs/Communism connections>>: Oh, like THAT's real tough. NOT. A REAL challenge would be figuring out why there's only ONE adult female smurf, and she had to be created AFTER there were already a bunch of male smurfs!

GATHERING ATTENDEES: I've made this annoucement once already, but I'll make it again everytime some brings up the subject. I live in the LA area, just 20 minutes from Gathering (for those of you "in the know", everywhere in LA is 20 minutes from everywhere else in LA...its a weird physics thing don't ask). Anyway, I would be happy to provide rides for a lot less than shuttle services (i.e. the price of a tank of gas). Get more people to share your ride, and all four passengers can split the tank of gas. My pleasure (and my duty, as a resident of the city in which the gathering is taking place). Like I said, even gas for my SUV (about $30 a tank I think) would be cheaper split even between 2 people than a shuttle, and by yourself much cheaper than a cab. Yeah don't forget that burbank airport is practically IN universal city. Anyone in desperate needs of pickups/dropoffs AT the airport...I may be able to provide these, but I'd rather not unless there's something in it for me (like free artwork or money or something).

Daniel Johnson: I HATE YOU! The TiBook is hands down the sexiest computer ever built, even more so than my curvy G3 powerbook. It will perfectly match my digital ELPH (the sexiest digital camera ever made). I must have it! Do me a favor and leave your door unlocked when you go to sleep tonight, will you? Oh, and how are the hardware defects "bugging" you? I'm waiting till summer to get mine so they'll have fixed those stupid battery and DVD probs, but cool if they're not affecting you.

FS: <<superior conductor would be a better shield>>: I don't think so. More tightly packed atoms would be better for deflecting EMP waves. <<Hell hath no fury like YOUR scorn!>>: So I'm told.

XenaTrek: <<Just a quickie>>: HERE? I don't think that's something the kida should see...but thanks for the offer. 8-)

Warpmind/Mara: <<don't you think the lapdance is going to be hard enough to talk her into>>: Hey, before she did Trek, I believe she was in a few B-rated porn-style movies.

DPH: <<my daily attempt at keeping the CR on the edge of insanity>>: There's a short trip.

Todd: <>: I would have picked another evil-looking creature. There's got to be another one, right?

Archwolf: Bummer about the fencing stuff. There's nothing worse than a teacher thats out to get you, believe me I know.

Winterwolf: <<I'd mention how I had over a dozen windows open>>: BAH! Most impressive list of running programs: Photoshop 6 (editing icons), ICQ, AIM, Carracho (chatting clients), Netscape (downloading, reading CR, email client), Toast (Burning), Appleworks 6 (writing fanfic), Simpletext (writing CR post), iTunes (listening to Mp3s), pictureviewer AND graphic converter (viewing pictures)...::raspberry::. Now THAT'S bragging.

Your soul is like an appendix. I don't even use mine.
-Calso, That 70's Show

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, March 19, 2001 11:14:25 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-28.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

winterwolf>tuesday is vernal equinox...dunno what monday is

and i was wrong...there is one more good thing about the last week: neither of my parents object to my change in religious affiliation.

out again.
archwolf
Monday, March 19, 2001 11:14:18 PM
IP: pumpkin-a-41.mcmurray.nb.net

Hi. I see no takers on what today is yet. Well it's been low key for the most part. Well it is the standard milestone we all have in life. If that doesn't just give it away I don't know what will. ;)

Brief
Brief mode.

Kaioto> <life> Exactly.

Jannie> We all get money so it can be taken away. Then if we get a break from one thing there's something else that will happily take your money away. ;)

Doug> Ah! So it's really Shelley. I always wonder about nicknames at times. Some just seem to come out of nowhere.

Warpmind> <brag> Oh I wasn't. If I was then I'd mention how I had over a dozen windows open. I had Photoshop 6.0 open with a few psds that had been edited, was talking live on IM, downloading more games, had Flash open with a tool I was coding, Norton Antivirus was scanning, and I had some MS Office apps open. But anyway I wasn't. ;P

DPH> It would be better than not having the body part. Gee let me see crippled or replacement body part that was mine. As for the brain I wouldn't have a problem, as it's unlikely that I'd even know. At that point I'm brain dead, makes difficult to have strong feelings about it. I see it as a form of healing/regeneration.

Dreamie> <mock confused look and attacks Winterwolf with another round of tickles> O.o **falls down laughing as hard as his lungs will allow** HELP! **gasps for air and laughs** Stunt double! ;D **stunt double takes over and laughs loudly** Whew! <unscrambling eggs and feeling like a whole new person> Ah the classic comedy of the cheesy pun. Sure it's silly but that's the point! ^_^

SOROW> <good time at UT Austin> And there was much rejoicing! ;)

Daniel Johnson> I have this picture in my head that you are actually Rocko right now from Rocko's modern life. LOL :P

Caliope> **HUGZ** :P

Hyperion> Welcome back

Night!

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Monday, March 19, 2001 11:01:31 PM
IP: adsl-141-155-119-99.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net

*I'm too tired to do any cool enterance *@(#*
Todd Jensen/Lain> Thanks for the clarifications. I don't think it detracted for the story, but if was bothering me.
Anonymous> nah... I think it was handeled just fine...what you think *all* evil plots go exactly right until the Hero foils them? Actually I think it would be funny as hell if One of Thailog's schemes went awry beause the weapons were built by the lowest bidder, or there was a logistical mix-up and her got a shipment of mimes instead of mines or something.
<shrug> But then again, I think weird like that.

Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Monday, March 19, 2001 10:22:47 PM
IP: ba-160.adsl.stargate.net

Just a reminder!

The May 1st deadline for the Gathering 2001 Writing Contest is fast approaching!

Many categories of fanfic, original fiction, poetry, and essays are welcome!

Click or go to http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/writing.htm for all the info, or e-mail me at christine@sabledrake.com with any questions. Stay tuned because some rules amendments may be in the works.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, March 19, 2001 10:18:37 PM
IP: 16-171.075.popsite.net

*a weary and worn archwolf trudges slowly into the room*

Oh boy...yippee...what a f*cking great bunch of weeks i've had.

*Fencing/Coach Rant*
Ok. Most of you know about some of the problems I've been having with the coach of my college fencing team. Well, things got worse. First off, he 'forgot' to submit any of the needed paperwork to the conference for our conference championships. As a result, all weapons were seeded into the tournament in dead last. This really hurt our mens foil team, since they should have been the #2 seed. End result: Our team finishes dead last. In individuals, the coaches 'forgetfulness' cost one of our fencers the #4 slot. He finished 6th. I would have been dead last in epee had I not had a medical withdrawl from the tournament.

Gets better (or worse) last week, the assistant coach and I discover that a bunch of scoring equipment has gone missing. Initially, we assumed that butt f*ck bill had taken and used it for the highschool league he set up. This was apparently not the case. Bill decided thatthe equipment was stolen. Who does he tell the cops he suscpects? Me. He tried to have my room in the dorm searched, along with the fraternity house. As it was, as i was walking to the greyhoundstation, i was pulled over bythe cops so they could search my bags. I hate bill. I'm glad he will be fired soon
*end coaching rant*

Me and Aingeal>I guess she made it official...we aren't anymore. Drop it.

The _only_ good thing in the last few days:
My sister got married yesterday. We drove to boston for it, and it was a great time. Caught up on family events. Was reminded repeatedly why i quit drinking (3 months 4 days ago for anyone who is interested). Some other Sig Taus from another chapter were there. See, a few years ago, at CMU, my sister was a little sister to that branch of the fraternity and made a lot of friends. She was the White Rose (little sister) one year, so we decided to sing White Rose to her right at the end of the reception. That smile on her face was priceless.

Well, i have an assembler to write
Later

Archwolf
Monday, March 19, 2001 09:29:59 PM
IP: pumpkin-b-15.mcmurray.nb.net

Hyperion>> as someone who has seen Titan: A.E. waaaaaay too many times for their own health.. i can tell you that the bad evil aliens of blue and nastiness were called "drej" not "druj"..
but thats just because i watched that movie over and over and over and over and over and... mmmmmm... corso...
*smacks self*
nevermind ;)
thats my two scents.. er i mean CENTS of the day..
okay..
laters
:D

*exits as the amalgamation begins..*
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Monday, March 19, 2001 08:49:45 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Question: Patrick, Crzy or anyone else on the Gathering committee> ;)

Has any arrangements been made to assist people to and from the airports? (since the hotel does not offer any shuttle service)If taking a cab is a suggestion, could you see how much a fare would be? (from BUR and LAX) I know that people are trying to figure out their budget and want to make sure all the expenses are covered (as much as possible).
Coordinating with others arriving might be a bit difficult, since the flight schedules are not known.
Jannie

Answer (as posted on our ride share bboard by Jen):
Thanks to Kess giving me the number, I found a shuttle that can get you from LAX to the Sheraton for $16/person (sure beats the hell out of a $60 cab ride!) When you land in LAX... find a phone and call SUPER SHUTTLE
1-800-829-2305 (this number only works in the LA area)
They will pick you up at the curb and take you to the hotel.
I hope this information is helpful!

btw, when considering destination airports the Burbank Airport is only 6 miles from the hotel.

Remember, you can coordinate both roommates and rides at our Room and Ride Share Board! Click my name to go there.
kathy
Monday, March 19, 2001 07:24:20 PM
IP: rr-56-12-197.atl.mediaone.net

This story is alittle bit anti-climatic. I was expecting that guy to side with Demona and Darius. Anyone agree? Disagree?
Anonymous
Monday, March 19, 2001 07:23:16 PM
IP: 06-072.037.popsite.net

HYPERION - Actually, the Druj have nothing whatsoever to do with "Titan A.E." The name (which I recall I submitted) comes from Persian mythology, where the druj were demons, and particularly nasty ones at that. When we came up with Darius's "Unseelie-bred creatures", I suggested that we identify them with something vicious from Persian mythology, to fit Darius's nationality, and the druj fitted the role better than anything else in Persian myth (although, precisely because of "Titan A.E." - which I haven't seen, but had heard about - I hesitated while submitting the name).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, March 19, 2001 06:50:37 PM
IP: 216.87.46.34.dialup-stl.primary.net

Beth H: I have the fan translations of 17-38 on my computer.
I just don't want to have to buy 1-16.
Hey, I am cheap! So what? :)
Fire Storm
Monday, March 19, 2001 05:35:56 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Firestorm>Actually, volume 17 of Ranma 1/2 recently came out. There's about 38 volumes of the series and Viz won't finish translating for another few years.:) And it's "manga". ^_^
Beth H.
Monday, March 19, 2001 05:20:27 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

*Hyperion walks in, swords sheathed and reading a book entitled "Hyperion"*
I had the name long before I heard of the book, okay! I'm not going to take any flack about this one...
Just a quick question about the current episode: "Druj"? Did someone of the staff watch Titan A.E. too much or am I missing something here? ALthought the image of Gargoyles fighting iridescent blue energy creatures was damned cool while it lasted.
Oh well, back to the real world...not as much fun, I have to say.

*************
"Taxin's, takin's, stealin's, grabbin's, chiselin's, whittlin's..."
"Just call it a tithe, m'lord."
"Uh, right..."

Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Monday, March 19, 2001 04:32:15 PM
IP: ba-170.adsl.stargate.net

Fire Storm> I don't know where you can find them, but the spelling is 'manga'
Kyryn
Monday, March 19, 2001 03:51:50 PM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Does anyone know where I can find the complete Ranma 1/2 Manga, books 1-16.

Also... is it Manga or Magna?
Fire Storm
Monday, March 19, 2001 03:26:26 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Conspiracy theorist - I swear to you that I am NOT a member of the Illumaniti, although frankly, it would be impossible to prove or disprove that statement. I am not a swordsman, just a mutant. I do confess to being a member of ITAG [see BFTS RP for reference], but that organization is not in this universe. That device will transport to another universe and back. Just walk in the CR and pick it up.

It's a slow day, although probably not for long.

Imzadi - What's the deal with '1+1=3'? It's my daily attempt at keeping the CR on the edge of insanity.

3+3=-7

Hmm. I do know. I just know. Or is it 'I don't know'?

Riddle me this and riddle me that and I'll call you the Riddler.

March Madness - Why not have 128 teams in the Big Dance instead of 64? It would start 1 weekend earlier and everybody goes home after the game they play. I also say successfull Sixty-Four and terrific Thirty Two.

That's all for now.
DPH - [<--Click here to read some stories DPH has written]
AR, USA
Monday, March 19, 2001 02:00:03 PM
IP: max1-56.cwy.cei.net

*Warpmind enters.*

Lain: I know of this thing called "time zones", and inconveniences thereof. I just didn't think about'em at the moment I posted... Heh, heh, and wriggly sleeper? Hooboy, I feel INVIGORATED!!! };)

Mara: You're BACK! ;) Uh, public spanking from Marina at G'01? Not to be a killjoy here, but don't you think the lapdance is going to be hard enough to talk her into? };)

Conspiracy Theorist: I see you suffer a common misunderstanding here... my 486 does not have internet connection. I go online through dad's machine when at home, or through work or a netcafé when that's the most convenient option. Hideous Anomaly has two primary functions: Games and Writing. (I also watch the odd picture on it - and with the picture viewer I have, it's actually pretty good, too. But my 14" monitor is about to kick the bucket for good.) As for the Illuminati... naaw, don't think they're Satan worshippers... unless... hmm... Lucifer WAS the Light-Bearer... *Ponders* Uh-oh... };) By the way, about your detective or FBI work... lemme guess ,you've already acquired an old-style trenchcoat, right? Like Bogey's got? };)

Fire Storm: I'll believe THAT was a tragic story, yeah. ;) LOL! And no luck yet... Yet... And NO, I am NOT overclocking Hideous Anomaly. I kinda doubt the 486 processors allow that, anyway... ;)

Well, catch you guys later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, March 19, 2001 01:53:52 PM
IP: mp-217-198-130.daxnet.no

Hiya Guys. Just a quickie.

March Madness continues for mine and Coyote's Alma Mater (Michigan State). We've past the second round and on to Third slated for March 23rd. It should be shown on my station down here since it is considered the South Regional (couldn't get the first two games). We'll have to wait and see.

More later.
XenaTrek - [xenatrek@yahoo.com]
Orlando, FL, USA
Monday, March 19, 2001 12:35:09 PM
IP: proxy2a.lmco.com

Caliope: <Well, it is good, but it leaves you hangin'!!! I leaves you craving for more when there wont BE anymore...thats what I ment by it.>
I love open endings! It makes me use my imagination more!
Hell, I am one of the few people out there that DOSN'T want there to be any sequals to The Matrix.
The first one was so BEAUTIFULLY open ended! It isn't known what will happen next. Do we know what our future is? NO!
As for Ranma... That's what fan-fic is for! :)

Jannie: <ack! You have heart arrhythmia? Do you take medication for it?>
Not yet. Have to see a cardiologist first.
But VERY first, I need a source of income.

Jaden: <Napster isn't down, I'm using it right now.>
Yeah, I figured out what is happening.
I can get to Napster through Dial-up but NOT through any DSL in the area.
NO idea why.
Probally filtered for the entire area by Ameritech.

Imzadi: <Remember, this was during the dot-com boom of a few months ago.>
VERY true. I scoured their website and didn't find one SHRED of advertising!
(Other than the new artist listing.)
<Study up on your NORAD history. It's steel. If not aluminum. But its definitely not copper.>
Hmmm. Interesting. I would have thought that the superior conductor would be a better shield.

Hell hath no fury like YOUR scorn!

Warpmind: 
Like... Hmm... "Spring of Man in womens clothing with Squid on head holding rabbit in one hand, Cobra in other, with Ferret in pants, riding a horse, pulling cart with chickens and pigs?"
Very tragic story. :)
<the Employer must apply for a work visa for me, and for the duration of the processing, I have to be in Norway. A technicality that annoys me to no end.>
Any luck with finding an employer?
<Hideous Anomaly>
Ever try overclocking? :)
<AAAARGH! IT'S EVEN INVADED AVALON HIGH!!! Clicky my name...>
We Borg.
Resistance futile.
All your base are belong to us!
:)

Gside: <You know I'd do it. And with the physical laws here, all sorts of fun stuff could happen.>
Yeah. It would fight you all the way down! :)
<A big honking Faraday cage built out of conductive materials>
But looking at a Faraday cage, I would probally need several cages-within-cages to get one that would totally protect against EMP's, if I am reading it correctly. It says that they reflect within a certian range. but anything outside that range is uneffected.
Would it TOTALLY absorb EM fields, or just a little?
<It's the secret sauce. Which just reminded me of a very wrong fanfic>
Grins. I MUST read that one! :)
Am I correct in assuming that it is a "Fried Green Tomatos" referance?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, March 19, 2001 11:40:43 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

I'm on my lunch break and don't have time to say much, but I just had to say that my PowerBook G4 just arrived. Woohoo! It's even cooler in person. Everyone at work is ogling it. Even die-hard PC users think it's the sexiest computer they've ever seen. I know what I'm going to be doing tonight. :) Later.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Monday, March 19, 2001 11:26:11 AM
IP: adsl-138-89-66-131.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Story read
James Birdsong
Monday, March 19, 2001 11:22:54 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

Conspiracy Theorist>(records it all) Caliope>(HUGZes back) Illumanati> of course it started shortly after the fall of Camelot. TGS> I must read it as of (clicks send on this and goes for exactly that deed) .. now
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Monday, March 19, 2001 10:43:59 AM
IP: h2odam.sdccd.cc.ca.us

Conspiracy Theorist> I've done a little research on the Illuminati myself, and they are indeed truth-seekers. While 99% of the religious fanatics see them as Satan-worshippers, nothing could be further from the truth. Weishaupt's Illuminati during the Age of Elightenment rejected religion and God, and focused on science and knowledge. They called themselves the Illuminati because they felt they were the "illuminated ones" by rising above ignorance.

That's what I read though, and at this time I'd rather not get into Atheism vs Religion again. I've had enough of that for a while.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Monday, March 19, 2001 10:42:17 AM
IP: dialin-61-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Heeeello!!! Hope everyone had a nice weekend! ^_^

My weekend was pretty good, I went to my old school's Forensics competition to remanis on old times, and let me say, that club just went stight to hell the year I graduated!!!...hehehe well, maybe not to hell, but we used to do better...+ we were MUCH funner than those bunch of stiffs! :P

Beth H.> lol OK, I have the addy, lets see if I find some time now, I'll let you know when I read it, kay? :)

Josh> <<Why are you up in NoCal? >> Naw, I used to live in Davis, CA, but I dont anymore. Tho I might end up back in CA some time, there are some good art schools there, so who knows *shrugs* :)

Winterwolf> hey you! *HUGZ* <<So why aren’t you coming to the Gathering? I figure your loving subjects would provide you with enough $$! No?>> O.O...Why didnt I think of that!?!?!? Would anyone like to cooperate with the "Get Cali to the Gathering" foundation? *jingles some change in a can* :P <<It comes out when the Gargoyles movie does right? >> lol yeah, tha's right! :P

Sevarious Jr> <<So, what do you think? U.S. state, or
remain sovereign?>> ah, that is a triky question. I could tell you the fears and aspirations of the ppl here with regard to the 3 options, but as for MY personal opinion? Well, I am but a young naive little girl who has not, as of yet, formed a concreat opinion.;) Being a rational and not fanatical person, I see all the pro's and con's of all three options. But Like I said, I could tell you more or less what the general population feels, if your interested.

Gside> <<True, but think of the subsequent surge of happiness. Probably the quivalent of 42 Jello packs in an hour.>> lol and you REALY think thats healthy?! I think not! <<For the cake. >> O.o....whatta ya mean, I dont get it! (suprise, suprise!!) :P

Robby> Hey, I was reading the Daigakusei no Ranma series, well, the archive at least, and I figures it wasnt done, but it says they're working on ep 30 and they only have up to ep 27 in the archaives, do you know where I could get those other 3 or how often they relese new eps?

Fire Storm> <<Actually, the ending is far better than I had hoped.>> Well, it is good, but it leaves you hangin'!!! I leaves you craving for more when there wont BE anymore...thats what I ment by it.

Emambu> <<no poking lest you might incur the wrath of my tickling.>> O.O *gasps and hides her poking finger* :P <<I'm so sorry to hear that your house was burglarized.>> Yeah, thanx dear *HUGZ back* :) <> lol I do, it can be just SO much fun at times! Maybe I should quit the art biz and be a shrink! or a psycopath, which ever suits me better, what do you think? ;P Oh, and congats on your solo! That sounds so exiting, I've never gotten the chance to sing in public like that...well, maybe on a smaller scale, when my brother pleads with me that his guitar soudns too lonely without my voice and makes all sorts of sad puppy faces, but thats never been in front of THAT many ppl, so that doent count :P But I hope you have a wonderfull performence! What type of music do you sing any how?

Egad I gotta go!!! If I missed anything, I'll get to it next time!!! Bye!!!! *HUGZ all and runs out of the room*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 19, 2001 09:53:43 AM
IP: 136.145.83.180

Patrick, Crzy or anyone else on the Gathering committee> ;)

Has any arrangements been made to assist people to and from the airports? (since the hotel does not offer any shuttle service) If taking a cab is a suggestion, could you see how much a fare would be? (from BUR and LAX) I know that people are trying to figure out their budget and want to make sure all the expenses are covered (as much as possible).
Coordinating with others arriving might be a bit difficult, since the flight schedules are not known.
Jannie
Monday, March 19, 2001 09:50:43 AM
IP: 154.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

*enters singing and dancing*

I'm singin' in the rain! Just singin' in the rain! What a glorious feeling I'm happy again!

Yay! finally found some time to catch up on things.

Gun Control><As a future gun owner {getting one ASAP} and evil megalomaniac {in my spare time} I would like to say this. Ain't nobody gettin' ma pea-shooter so's long as I gots breath in me lungs.

Human Cloning><One word - Bleah.

Doug><**Good luck with the computer trouble, and writing that fanfic for Bengali without her help. Seems strange that she's left the fandom so completely, disappointing too. But hey, what can be done? <sighs> I hope to read the story when you get through with it, please do provide a title and/or link.** Thanks, she was an 'odd' person to say the least. The story needs a major overhaul to be done on it before I can rerelease it at the fanfiction archives. {It's 'you're, not 'your', will you people please start making that distinction in your writing!} I'll make a post here when I upload them, she wrote three chapters, fairly short ones too. I generally like writing _long_ epic works, but I've plotted out the basic for the story's plot, so I should be able to get along okay on it.

Doug Again><**Yeah, here's hoping. :) Detective work interests me more than standard police work too, I'm not sure I'd like having to deal with violence and/or anger as much as most cops do on a daily basis. However, you have to do one first to get to the other, I believe. <shrugs>** I love detective work. One of my main interests has been the killer, Zodiac. Why? Because he was never found and I believe that he is still killing right now. The SFPD botched that case up so badly... I've created my own profile nn him and have bits of evidence, pictures, scripts, etc, that aren't *cough* normally available to the public. I had originally intended on police work, but most of those nuts could probably break me in half with their bare hands. So detective work or the FBI are my current goals.

Kitainia><**You'd make a very good detective IMO.** Thank You!!! *hugs* Thank you, thank you, thank you. Not that I'm in any sort of need for someone to say that... **<Bengali> Ack! That's terrible news, and I didn't even know about it. <grimaces> I didn't know her that well, but I'd like to call Bengali a friend. I hope wherever she is now, she's okay.** Thanks, I hope so too.<=(

Mecord><**I used to wear a Trench coat whenever possible, and while some may classify me as a phycopath (without the trench coat) I was more commonly mistaken as a government official or FBI agent** Heh, I'm too small to be mistaken as one, and I've pretty much stopped growing. I don't think I'll ever weigh over 95 pounds. I love detective style trenchcoats, I've even got a gray fedora hat that looks like something out of a 1940s detective movie.

Imzadi><**Damn that's a lot of machines. I wish I could go through 10-12 machines in 2 years...by now I'd have a cracked out G4 something-or-other** Trust me, you don't. It's hell on earth dealing with inept computer store workers.

Warpmind><**You claim that the only reliable machine you ever had was a 486 you got five years ago? Heh, odd, that... the only machine I've ever OWNED is a 486 I've had for well over 7 years now... and counting. }:) Fear the DOS machines... };)** *sniff* It was also the computer I used to access the Gargoyles Fan Website for the first time, and the Avalon archives, and S8.org.... The only reason it worked so well was because I had a guy rip out most the parts to it and replace them. That and the fact that computers were made better back then, they had to be considering that they costed twice as much as they do now. You've had the same computer for SEVEN years?? I think it might be time to upgrade, even my computer has problems loading a lot of the websites. I can only cringe when I think of how much time it must take you to load these things. I can still remember that 486 taking 10 minutes to load a picture... **By the way, I see your comments on those past presidents... whacha got on Raygun? I mean, Reagan? };)** Raygun... Aha! another conspiracy! It seems that our former president was really an alien. Just look at his name, Reagan=Raygun=Ray Gun. Wait a sec, I don't deal in the paranormal so I'll leave this one to Mulder and Scully. I came a little too late for the Reagan administration, I was one of the poor suckers that mostly remembers Clinton's reign of terror. So I'm more into spreading rumo... *ahem* FACTS about Clinton.

Warpmind Again><**Ah, yes, the Illuminati is an interesting society indeed. Heck, if I found the time and opportunity, I'd probably delve into the mysteries there, too. As it is, I stick around in the "Fiction" segment as far as it's concerned. However, you might want to pump a guy named Tim Morgan for information... ];) (Christine's husband.) Personally, I lean to the opinion that the Illuminati Society's objective isn't power, but knowledge is the objective, control the means with which to attain it. Thus they constantly run various sociological tests around the globe. That is the only way I'm able to explain the state of Norway (pun intended) as it is today... As for the origin of the Illuminati, well... I kinda lean toward the theory that they've been around since the dawn of time, give or take a decade... I'm fairly sure they were involved in founding the Vatican, and the Roman Empire, and so on, and so forth, yadayadayada...** Heh. My personal theory is that they started up not long after the supposed fall of Camelot. I don't think they have a specific goal, but many. Power, knowledge, universal domination... They're an interesting lot, both in fact and fiction. There's even games, books, etc,... based on them. Just type in their name into a search engine and you'll come up with a plethora of imformation {though 99% of it is from religious fanatics citing that the soctiety consists of nothing but Satan worshippers...}

DPH><**You say you need a place to hide. If you trust me, I will give you a device to get you back and forth to a place where the Clinton's hitmen and the Illumaniti can't get to you easily.** That would be fi... Wait a second! How do I know you're not a member of the Illuminati!? You could just be trying to trick me, trying to lead me into a trap! *pulls out a cheap plastic sword and clumsily swings it around* en guarde! I challenge thee to a duel!

James Birdsong><**yep the camera got the whole scene (nod and keeps rolling just in case you have more to say)** Good. I also plan on uncovering the doomsday device, uncovering the Smurfs/Communism connections...

Winterwolf><**Belated Welcomes to you. Don’t mind me just catching up.** Thanks. ^_^

Words of Wisdom

"As memory may be a paradise from which we cannot be driven, it may also be a hell from which we cannot escape."
-John Lancaster Spalding, Aphorisms and Reflections

Later!
Conspiracy Theorist - [Conspiracy3000@yahoo.com]
Monday, March 19, 2001 08:59:39 AM
IP: ac87494f.ipt.aol.com

Josh> I assure you that line was not forced in at all. Some people are under the impression that we spend only a week planning, writing and editing these stories, when we spend several months at least. A copy of this story was on our edits site for a while and that line was in there. So it wasn't done to appease anybody.

As for Brooklyn, Sata and the kids appearing in World War II. Well, you never know.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, March 19, 2001 07:37:02 AM
IP: bess2.lhric.org

Shinigami > Re: spanking from Marina - Take a number and get in line, my friend. >:)

Airline tickets > Here are the most popular online sites for shopping airfares from multiple airlines and purchasing tickets:

www.travelocity.com
www.expedia.com
www.cheaptickets.com

I've used both travelocity and expedia in the past and had good experiences with both. I've browsed cheaptickets but never purchased through them yet. Also, if you NEED tickets cheap and can tolerate not knowing exactly WHEN the flights are (or sometimes even which airport you're going to travel from) until you have already been billed for non-refundable seats... there's always the Shatner-endorsed standby:

www.priceline.com

The big think to remember with priceline is to READ ALL THE FINE PRINT BEFORE YOU CLICK "SUBMIT". Once you submit a "name your own price" offer, you are stuck with whatever they find for you if any of their participating airlines decides to accept your offer. So if having complete control over your departure and arrival times is important, you probably don't want to use priceline.com.
Patrick Toman
Monday, March 19, 2001 06:31:19 AM
IP: ac8c9c89.ipt.aol.com

oops, I meant Icarus pisses me off. Not Darius.
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Monday, March 19, 2001 04:08:57 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-73.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Today was not a happy day. My ex-girlfriend was here from 1 to 5 in the afternoon, checking out the laptop I'm desperately trying to sell her so that I can get a shiny new piece of hardware. I'm offering her a good deal, with the laptop, SCSI Burner, printer, and internal ZIP drive for $1500 US. What I haven't told her is that my computer has some minor defects that are really annoying (nothing that prevents functionality, though). I have no qualms about this because she tried to sleep with my best friend to get back at me when I dumped her. Only a geek could get revenge by selling their target a faulty computer. After that whole thing, I spent the rest of my evening studying for my fscking physics midterm. Relativity, polarization, diffraction, and quantum mechanics. If that doesn't sound like fun...ugh. The really annoying thing about this stuff is that intuition goes out the window. The first formula that comes to your mind is always the WRONG one to use.

Lain + Lynati: Have fun in Canada! Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

GXB: Does that mean that Brooklyn spent some time in WWII while time dancing? Can we expect to see an ep in Timedancer of him on a ship in WWII? That would be SOOOOO cool. I know we already had an ep of him in Nazi Germany, but WWII had so many fascinating aspects to it, I think it might be fun to bring Sata and kids there once.

SOROW: glad you liked UT Austin. Hope you have fun there when you go in the fall.

DPH: What is 1+1=3 ? Is that your version of "all your base..."?

CrzyDemona: Sure, AFTER I made the icon! 8-) Thanks though. Is that true for most of the pics on your site?

Beth H: Apartments cheaper than dorms? GASP!

Shinigami: <<Marina to give me a spanking>>: hmmm indeed.

Icon Project: Some new icons in the last couple days, click on my name to check them out. Still looking for more of the canon characters. Anyone have a problem with me using the "swimsuit edition" pic of Sata from Avmists for a Sata icon?

***TGS Spoilers*****
Okay I got the impression that the first couple lines about Demona knowing about necromancy were thrown in to appease us. They felt very, i dunno, forced. Especially when they said "of course she knew what necromancy was". Having the ghost turn on Darius and Demona was most entertaining. And Xanatos coming to the rescue: very cool. I also really laughed when on of the council pointed out that Xanatos has a gargoyle-association disorder (Goliath-association in particular). About time someone pointed that out. On the other hand, it was nice seeing Goliath be "gargoyle" enough to go see Xanatos for diplomatic help.

Darius pisses me off. Hope he has fun on his stupid little world tour thing.

Lex: Oh there are so many things to say here. First of all, being a scrawny geek myself, there is nothing more annoying than two people joking about throwing you into walls. I don't think Lex would find it very appealing, despite his apparent desperation to hook up. And it would be nice to see him actually kick some ass. He's a 20-yr old gargoyle warrior. Just because he's a geek doesn't mean he can't fight. He was born to be a protector and trained as such long before waking up in the 20th century. I expect to see Kirstie in Manhattan when Kylie kicks the bucket. And I can't wait to see what happens when he tells her that there's wiring in his brain. Or maybe he never will and she won't notice the data port in his head.

I think its funny that Goliath still doesn't know Vinnie's name, and that Lex forgot to find out Kirstie's name.

Overall, very good. Thanks for not beating up on Lex, and for giving him some spotlight in a positive way for once.
***** END TGS SPOILERS*****

Now comes the really boring character development.
-Ben Barron, while watching Gladiator

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, March 19, 2001 04:08:11 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-73.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Just a quick post.

Dreamie- I'm sorry to hear about your Grandfather.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, March 19, 2001 03:09:49 AM
IP: apnc102.216.216.211.in-addr.arpa

Hmm wanted to try out a new pic well anyway I hope I won't confuse any of you. I am makeing a fanfic and don't know who to ask for the characters does anyoen have any suggestions?
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Monday, March 19, 2001 12:16:04 AM
IP: 1cust65.tnt3.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Not much to say, just checking in. Am currently working on fanfic; stalled out on The Guardians: Cobalt, started worrying that I was burned out. But then I was smacked with inspiration for one of the Reunion contests, and had an 8,000 word night last night! Huzzah!

Don't mind me if I get loopy this week. I worked 4 nights, had 1 off, and am now working 5 in a row. But then I get 4 nights off starting Wednesday, so all I have to do is hang on until then! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:52:41 PM
IP: 20-183.075.popsite.net

Forgive this little bit of theatrics ... but it's far overdue, you'll agree, right?

**Coyote enters, taking the candle he'd placed on the table earlier and placing it gently on the floor**

"Everybody clear out. Trust me." **shoos all the CR denizens to a nearby wall** "Okay ... we're gonna put this candle out. Just trust me on this." **backs away from the candle, turns and yells**

"OKAY!"

**loud engine noise, followed by one wall of the CR collapsing as a '79 Cadillac bursts through, not stopping until the candle is a waxy non-burning mess under the left front tire. The driver steps out, removing her helmet to reveal that Ravyn was driving Coyote's car**

"I think that puts it out, don't you?"

"Oh yeah." **Ravyn hugs Coyote** "Ready?"

"Always."

**They both enter the car, pulling out of the room and driving toward the sunset. Their silhouette in the dying sunlight forms one single shadow as they drive off**

Coyote and Ravyn
Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:04:53 PM
IP: 216.28.101.59

****Kyryn steps in.****

Gentlebeings, TGS now presents this weeks episode...

The Council, pt.3

Written by Robby Bevard

Artwork would be by Robby and possibly Lexy, but DC has apparently prevented it from getting to me at this point. Hopefully, we'll get it up in the next day or so. My apologies to Doug and others who were expecting it.

****Kyryn steps aside to avoid the mad rush to read the new ep.****
Kyryn - [<<<---clicky, clicky!]
Denton, TX
Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:57:06 PM
IP: denm3-9.iglobal.net

*slips in, chibis creating vague and non-descript havoc behind her. The tempest looks rather like what's been behind Gwynn all that time.*

Hi folks. I'll try to post more often. I know I've been a bad bad girl... how about I promise to have a public punishment at the Gathering? Now how to convince Marina to give me a spanking... Hmmmm..

Now, okay, I know that it was Saturday that was St. Patty's Day, but we have the Parade on Sunday, so it was today that I had to deal with a buttmunch load of drunk customers at work today. I was so skeved out and tired by the end of the day I almost quit. Thankfully, St Drink-til-you-Puke-or-get-in-a-skirmish-over-the-last-Killian's-Irish-Red Day is over and wont come for yet another year.

Ravyn to Gunjack<"And yes, we women do have some vindictive, homicidal tendencies...well, okay, maybe *I* just do. ;)">

Naw. I have those tendencies too. Plus I'm the mean-spirited one that started the Gargoyles misting genre and borrowed your intended soulmate for that year you went missing. (Now Coyote, start talking to Aaron again. You have no excuse to be mad at him anymore. You never did. So there.) So Ravyn... Soul-sister? Kindred spirit? Wanna make out with me and Crzy behind the lockers? *latches onto Ravyn's shoulder, doing her remora impersonation she stole from Harukami in the Slayers' fandom* Numnumnunmnum...

Anyway guys, I'm trying to be good and update my website... and make them accessible to each other.. and.. stuff...

Sigh... bury me now...

Shinigami - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 18, 2001 09:51:13 PM
IP: ac929d22.ipt.aol.com

**enters and tackle-hugs Ravyn**

Missed you too, sweetie. Of course, since now you're fully back, leaves only one thing left to do ...

**pulls out a half-melted candle and candleholder from one of his pockets, setting it up on the Tea Table and lighting it with a borrowed Zippo from another pocket**

Two years ago, I swore that we'd put this out together. Now that you're back in name as well as in person, I think we can do it, whaddya say? :)

Like Ravyn, I'll make a longer post later.
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, March 18, 2001 09:10:35 PM
IP: 216.28.101.59

**drumroll** I'm BACK!!! :)

Thanks to everyone who commented on my name issue. Ravyn it is! ;) I really appreciate the feedback. I'm just going to do a few quick replies, and I'll do a real post later, I promise...:)

Aaron> A really kinky fic, eh? Hm...ya know, you're right. **grins sheepishly** ;)

Gunjack> Hey, thanks for the offer to hold down someone...too bad I missed the perfect opportunity to act on it! And yes, we women do have some vindictive, homicidal tendencies...well, okay, maybe *I* just do. ;)

Coyote> Missed you!!! **huggles** :)

I'll be back around again soon, everybody! :) Stay cool!
Ravyn - [the artist formerly known as Lady Corax]
Sunday, March 18, 2001 07:58:21 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

General Question::

Anyone in here know a place to get plane tickets nice and cheap? I'm trying to look for random fliughts too and from UT in the vicinity of either late April/Early May, or else i June... if anyone has a suggestion let me know.. please.

::sighs and flops in corner;: note to self, don't take people at face value.

Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades
Sunday, March 18, 2001 07:37:54 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

DPH:
:p (:
----
I apologize for being so quiet lately; I've had a lot on my mind, and I seem to be having trouble finding posting-time.

Spunky and I are doing just fine. :) I'm cooking dinner right now and he's under foot as usual. I'll try to say something more useful later.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, March 18, 2001 05:32:13 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-66-131.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

**RP RELATED**
Wonders never cease. I finally got the BFTS RP archive updated. Click on the link to catch up. Damn, I have got to make it harder for myself to catch up by having more BFTS RP.
**END RP RELATED**
DPH - [<--Click here for BFTS RP archive]
AR, USA
Sunday, March 18, 2001 05:30:46 PM
IP: max1-19.cwy.cei.net

Typo: Skip "END" in the first warning. :P
Lady Mystic
Sunday, March 18, 2001 05:14:31 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

*** END RELATIONSHIP RELATED DISCUSSION/RESPONSES ***

IMZADI:

<>
That was obvious. Some of the things I said and the way in which I said them were meant to prevent (as much as possible) flame wars from sprouting off of this discussion -- between us AND others who might join in. (Particularly with how things have been lately in the CR.) :P

<<Not about my history or my experiences, but rather WHY...>>
Looking at everything that's been said, I'd say that I DID make you think about your history and experiences.

<<it always pays to be well informed>>
I've always thought that too.

<<Is that like ease-dropping on people's conversations?>>
No. This is a public forum and all text written to this page are subject to public viewing.

<<So naturally I assumed everyone else did the same (hence the long time between some people's posts).>>
The reason there are long time spans between people's posts is not necessarily because they are catching up on events but because they can't visit the board as frequently as others can. I'm not the only one in here that has other goals and responsibilities preventing frequent visits and complete readings.

<<...defensive reference to me...>>
Put that in mainly to prevent a flame and to show I meant no ill will. My goal was to have an intelligent conversation. Thankfully that's what exists, so far.

<>
Doesn't everyone? While all stereotypes are based on misinformation, prejudice, etc., and as a whole are incorrect, certain elements within stereotypes ring a varying degree of truth. In that aspect, everyone falls under at least one stereotype or aspect(s) of at least one.

<<First educated guess to fail already>> I wouldn't say that. I still see a degree of responsibility in your motives and actions.

<<...what if I'm never ready?>>
It's a valid concern.

<<Remembering is not a problem. I have a mind like a steel trap. The problem is in acting on it>>
Remembering is one thing; acting is another. But the things that bind the two are believing and understanding what you remember and having enough will to act upon them and break certain habits.

<<...maturity at my ability to recognize my own flaws and do something about it...>>
There's the responsibility.

*** END RELATIONSHIP RELATED DISCUSSION/RESPONSES ***

Been a long time since I've posted so frequently, and so much (excluding TGS CR Info updates). :)
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Sunday, March 18, 2001 05:13:05 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

*enters*

Well pooh. I have to take the EPT on Saturday. >.< Oh well, just move my date to Friday. :)

Got my Sonoma State University Housing forms yesterday. Might, just might, get into an apartment for my freshman year 'cause it's actually better (aka cheaper) I'm rather surprised. O.O

Will do longer post later when I have more to say. ;P

*GONE*
Beth H.
Sunday, March 18, 2001 02:58:00 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Imzadi - I probably have a better copy of that pic somewhere. O.o Let me know if you run across problems with any of the others.

CrzyDemona
Sunday, March 18, 2001 02:42:34 PM
IP: 1cust246.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Haha. I always post in green, so I am protected.

To update Imzadi, let's compile a list of ways DC has been killed. I will start with some ways I have: froze DC solid and destroyed his body with sonic jackhammer, electrocution, boiled his body into microscopic pieces.

1+1=3

I know Daniel Johnson and I are NOT clones. How? So simple that even he can't figure it out. Hahaha.

It's time. Time for what? Time to annoy to update the BFTS RP archive since I have a weekend off. Unfortunately, this will probably be my ONLY weekend off for the rest of the month. ;-(

Not much else.
DPH - [<--click here to read some stories DPH has written on his own]
AR, USA
Sunday, March 18, 2001 02:28:34 PM
IP: 204.94.193.55

I hope everyone had a happy holiday yesterday. I did
corn beef, spuds and cabage for dinner.

and I wore my Powerpuff girl shirt that had all 3 powerpff girls on it...Buttercup wears GREEN and has green eyes. So I had some green on.

Well my arm is better.
Lain: Nothing bad happened to me

The good thing is I finnaly finished seeingth second season Rayearth....Has a lot of the same Va's as the english version of Outlaw star
Aisha=Caldina
Umi=Suzuka
Fuu=Melfina
Clef=Harry
Zazu=Jim
Cheng Eng=Gwen Khan
and I don't want a gundam or a giamelef I want a Rune God.

Dreamie>>I'm sorry about your grandfather. HUG I lost my grandmother at the same age. She died in her sleep after 10 years of living with us.

Well gotta go. If you click on my name you'll see my pic of blue haired anime characters, since they tend to be my favorite.

"Are you trying to piss me off?"-Geo Metro, Rayearth2

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:56:55 PM
IP: user-37kaovl.dialup.mindspring.com

Hello to all! Austin was so great, I've decided that UT Austin is definately the place for me! The city, the campus, the dorms are all awesome and now I can't wait to get outta this stinking little town. High school seems so stupid right now, I can't wait to go to college. I went to the local mall and there was a huge anime shop with all kinds of comics. Wouldn't ya know it, there was a bin card for Gargoyles but no comics. Just my luck, at least I know now where to find them. And I finally found out that Princess Mononoke is out on VHS and I bought a copy. I've been waiting for at least a year and I finally have it! YEAH!

Doug> I'm so sorry we didn't get to meet, but there will be other times for sure. *kiss on the cheek*
Winterwolf> Check your email please! ;)
Emambu> Where can I find that Gargoyle Troopers crossover? It sounds fantastic and I must check it out.
SOROW
Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:15:10 PM
IP: a020-0750.dll2.splitrock.net

hey warpmind..
some of us actually need SLEEP you know..
(i mean.. okay so some of us dont get any no matter HOW much we want it but.. what can you do..??)

there is currenlty a kinda cute looking lump in my bed with kinda messy dark brown hair.. she is still asleep and hasnt realised i am home yet. i think ill just let her sleep huh? Awwwww... *faint smile of disbelief that Lynati is actually here..*

man.. and ive only had three hours of sleep tonight.. from 5 30 am to 8 30..
*behold the stirs...*
*nope.. she went back to sleep*
aaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww..
:)

maybe i should go find a couch or something.. no wait.. awake?? no.. back asleep..
(geez she's a wriggly sleeper ;))

okay.. i go stop making computer noises now..
love,
lain
the Great White North..
Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:11:38 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

your welsome Dreamie and i was wondering do you know where can I get some gargoyle comics or something? and lastly thanks for reminding me of ST. patricks day I am half irish so *irish accent* Aye may the saints perserve us, aye tis me who is confused now! ^_^
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:37:19 AM
IP: 1cust8.tnt11.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

I meant without the IS at the end. Stupid typos.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:37:17 AM
IP: dialin-715-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Also, Maeve is pronounced the same was Mavis, only with the IS at the end.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:29:03 AM
IP: dialin-715-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

JOSH> I believe that Greg was having Brooklyn AND Katana name their son Nashville because of the U.S. battleship Nashville that fought alongside the U.S. battleship Brooklyn in World War II.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:26:12 AM
IP: dialin-715-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

AAAARGH! IT'S EVEN INVADED AVALON HIGH!!! Clicky my name...

Josh: I don't care if I can't run Photoshop with my 33MHz. I don't even use Windows. Besides, I mostly use Hideous Anomaly to write stuff and play games, anyway. (I'm not competent to work with graphics. Trust me...)

Gside: You misunderstood me - I meant a spring where nobody had fallen in AFTER the tragic drowning... And it was a... *Chuckles* Oh, my... }:)

Dreamie: Oh, now don't you go plotting, too, y'hear? (Hmmm... then again... e-mail me, and we can plot evilly together, y'know, streamline the scheming?) };)

Oh, and with Lain's previous comments on IM about a shower party with Lynati, damn, I'd wish I were in her place about now... Hmmm... *Thinks* Actually, come to think of it, being AT her place would be just as good. };)

Well, that's it... and Lynati? Would you please get your cute butt onto IM now? :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, March 18, 2001 04:53:36 AM
IP: mp-217-215-129.daxnet.no

*Lynati Enters, wrapped in a fluffy bleu lain-towel. (and a green bits of pepper stuck to the side of her face, so don't pinch her, or she will eat your fingers because canabiladianism is catching...)

GREETINGS FROM THE GREAT WHITE NORTH!

*feels all nice and clean now*

It was a fun trip, excepting for the first bus being late...and then only having room for eight people, and i was not one of them...so I had to wait for 5 and a half hours for the next bus, which left at 12:20 at night. I got about 2 hours sleep before the coach-change at 4 am in Des Moines. three minutes later, I am on a bus to Chicago. got another two hours sleep about 6-8 am. nother quicki layover in Toledo. Get to Detroit...and have another five hour wait for the next Canabaladian bus, which is to leave at 1:10 am. I get one more hour of sleep, and much neck pains, and I get in and lain is waiting and then there is tuna and water in a large...tub? and i am tired now, and the bed is dammmm small, but I will be using lain for a pillow, so's it is all okay. *sleepy mad smiley smile*

so, in summation, what was supposed to be a 21 hour trip wound up (between delays and slowness) taking 35 hours.

Heh heh...heh...heh ha...hahhaBWAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!

*falls over face-down into the remains of a tuna-sub*
Lynati
"This is not a romance with the road"
Sunday, March 18, 2001 04:43:21 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Imzy>> "Neener neener neeeeeener"??? wow... been a long time since I heard THAT :D

anyway.. Lynati is HERE!!!!
BWA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and she's MINE Warpmind!! AAAAALL MIIIIIINE!!!!
(okay okay don't get yer dander up im just kidding)
;)

she's in the shower cos she smells like a really long, hungry, full-of-stiffness-and-has-a-headache Greyhound bus ride.. but i am going to feed her and send her to bed so its all good :)

HEEEEEEEEE!!! *grins a super-over-excited grin of super-over-excitedness*
:D:D:D:D

oooo she should be coming back soon.. i hear banging noises coming from down the hall ;)
see you later
just wanted you to know all is well.. though Lyn will probably be on in a sec to tell you herself
:D:D:D

(okay.. me go now)
:D:D
love,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Sunday, March 18, 2001 04:18:00 AM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

HAH! There is green in the middle of my unseelie star! YOU CAN"T PINCH ME NEENER NEENER NEEEEEENER!

Another day, another few bucks. I feel so evil for profiting off the really stupid computer users...they call in because they frequently get DC's, and I explain "sorry, its a high traffic time and slow modem users are the first to get booted. Call back tomorrow if the problem persists. CLICK." Now that you all have some insight into tech support: NEVER CALL THEM. We're bastards. We get paid by the call and the more people we can get rid of, the more we make. Having said that, if someone in here needs mac help contact me through e-mail and I won't be such a bastard and I'll actually try and help you.

DPH: I get a momentary DC everytime my phone rings while I'm on DSL. I get a long DC everytime Pacbell decides to be stupid. I'd love to see a DC death scene.

GXB/Triglycerine: I have just lost all respect for Greg Weisman. Brooklyn's kids were supposed to be named Nashville and Taichi!? I can't believe he would name his kid Nashville. What a dumb name. And I can't believe that Sata/Katana would stand for it. In any case, Fox would smack him when he finally got back to Eyrie after timedancing for sheer lack of taste. Hell, I'd fly to New York just to call him a dork and pity the poor child. Nashville...what was he smoking... Hey, on another note, how is Graeme pronounced? Maeve?

Jannie: <>: Give it time, the intelligence and humor comments may be true, but they say little about good/evil.

Gside: Read a couple CSH works. Now I see about Lex. It'd be cool to have him in MY engineering classes, but I don't think he'd last ten seconds at Berkeley CS. I also have fantasies of world domination, so you can add me to that list.

The icon project: Today, I got a sweeeeeet picture of Brooklyn to iconize (thanks Dreamie). Only 99% of the major characters left to go. Still looking for artwork submissions.

*** RELATIONSHIP RELATED DISCUSSION/RESPONSES ***

Lady Mystic: So much to say. First, I expected you to respond. I was talking about OTHER people responding. I agree that you are not flaming me. Nor am I flaming you. I think we're having an intelligent discussion, and I hope you see it the same way. You didn't upset me at all. You just made me think. Not about my history or my experiences, but rather WHY, and I wanted to formulate it into words and explain my reasoning to you. Like I said, you didn't trigger defensive mode, you didn't upset me. If you had done so, I'd probably have gotten ugly (or at least uglier than I normally am). As for ruining anything...yeah right. It would take a lot more than pointing out an obvious truth about me to crumble THIS shell... 8-)

<>: I understand your point about not having time to read every post. I try to read everything, so I can speak intelligently on any topic brought up (it always pays to be well informed). Is that like ease-dropping on people's conversations? I hope not. So naturally I assumed everyone else did the same (hence the long time between some people's posts). But if you weren't aware of my previous comments, I have made a lot of such comments in here since I joined, so I assumed you were talking about me.

<<based on your reasoning>>: your own comment proves the point: see your first paragraph of response to me where it says "I had you in mind when I wrote it, which makes sense since my response to your comment spawned the topic". That would seem like pretty strong evidence that your point was directed at me, combined with the fact that, again, I'm the only one making those kinds of comments in here (to my knowledge). Despite the fact that you didn't know about the last part, it seemed like pretty strong evidence when I read your reponse.

<<basing my assumptions NOT on you>>: Obviously. You don't know me (or my relationship history) well enough to make that kind of a judgement. <<learn and adopt habits>>: I really feel the only "learned" part of this for me is the manner in which I express it (humor, usually). I'd still feel this way regardless of my social upbringing. It's just the type of person I am. But since what you said follows a comment about my post AND you included a defensive reference to me, it seems hard to deny that you are making implications about me (intentional or not).

<<educated guess hasn't been proven wrong>>: I consider myself to be someone that doesn't conform to a lot of stereotypes...you might be disappointed if you keep trying to make guesses about me 8-).

<<It shows responsibility>>: No, it shows selfishness. See? First educated guess to fail already, and its only been 2 lines! 8-). I'm not out to protect other people from me, I'm out to protect myself from other people (although, given my history, it really SHOULD be the other way around). Also, the control thing. I'm not willing to sacrifice my own desires and hobbies and stuff to someone else. Like I said, selfishness. <<Just wait until you are ready>>: Now, I know I'm still young (19) and life is long, but almost as terrifying as loss of control is "what if I'm never ready?" This isn't a pathetic self-pity thing, just an honest question (rhetorical as it may be). <<It's natural AND normal>>: Nonetheless, it shames me that I should care so much about another's opinion when I've always been such a "tower of iron will" or "ego fortress" (cybercookie to whoever gets the reference). <<remember that a relationship>>: Remembering is not a problem. I have a mind like a steel trap. The problem is in acting on it. What all this does show, however, is maturity at my ability to recognize my own flaws and do something about it (hey, I can't rag on myself for an entire post without patting myself on the back at least once! - no one pays me to be modest).

<<Guys may fantasize about seeing a girl, even their girlfriend, looking at, flirting and touching other women>>: NEVER! I'm too greedy. I don't want to share. "Look but don't touch" applies to men AND women when I say it. 8-)

*** END RELATIONSHIP RELATED DISCUSSION/RESPONSES ***

Dreamie: I'm sorry. That doesn't qualify for my "great quotes" page. Please try again. <<like a :::grins::: Whole new person>>: GROAN that was awful! Sorry to hear about your grandpa. I'm lucky enough to still have all my grandparents, and I don't know what I'll do when I lose them.

Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.
-John Von Neumann, 1951

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, Dark California, US of A
Sunday, March 18, 2001 03:35:39 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-179.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

:::walks in wearing a politically correct St. Patrick’s Day button reading “Kiss me on the face cheek, I think I may be partially Irish!”:::

Happy St. Patty’s everyone! And hey Patrick Toman... you didn’t tell me you were a Saint! :::hands on hips:::

Imzadi: <<I'm posted about half my quotes already, and I'm always searching for more.>> You know I think I have a quote dictionary around here somewhere... Ah here it is... :::flips to a random page::: “You can’t unscramble eggs.” John Pierpont Morgan (1807-1913)

Speaking of birth/death dates.... My Grandfather died on Tuesday. He fell out of bed at his nursing home and fractured his hip... and since he’s never been sick a day in his life the pain killer they gave him caused him to regurgitate in his lungs... and from then on he just went downhill. Several hours later he died. He was 89. :::sighs::

Warpmind: <<Welllllll.... we'll see. };) >> You have no idea. :::evil grin:::

Lynati: <<oh. *dissapointed* I see that you have been talking to Aingeal... >> Have I? :::blinks at Aingeal::: Maybe we’re just telepathically linked.

Jannie: <<They are a few bricks short of a full load, their elevator doesn't go all the way up to the top, a couple of ants short of a picnic, a few fries short of a Happy Meal>> Or my personal favorite, “A few muffins short of a full basket.”

Winterwolf:<< **goes all wide eyed** No! Ah! **laughs loudly completely powerless to defend himself and laughs even for a long time after she stops if she does stop** O.o >> Stop? What is the meaning of this word “stop”? :::mock confused look and attacks Winterwolf with another round of tickles:::

:::Waves at Shadowrider::: See you next time! ^_^

Mecord and Cat: Congratulations!! :::Looks down at the wedding ring she found while sorting her Grandfather’s things::: huuuuuuum... :::shoots a mischievous grin at Loves Dreamie:::

Stefa: <<P.S. dreamie your funny ^_^ >> Thanks Stefa ^_~

Niamhgold sighting! Hey hey!! ^_^

Gunjack Valentine: <<o.O ...Pudding? >> Mua hahahaha };)

Emambu:<> :::Goes off to Best Buy to find a nice old fishing net::: ^_~
<<snowballs>> :::Lunges in front of winterwolf chucking a snowball at Emambu, it connects, leaving his face and shoulders dusted with a light coat of hot pink cocoanut shavings. Dreamie high fives Winterwolf and laughs hysterically:::

DPH: <<Eventually, the only original body body parts you have are your chest, head, and brain. How would that feel?>> Well I’d think I would feel like a :::grins::: Whole new person.

So... Who didn’t wear green today? :::grins evilly and makes pinching hand motions:::
Dreamie
Sunday, March 18, 2001 01:20:12 AM
IP: aca825dc.ipt.aol.com

Grr. No time for a real post today. I'll try again tomorrow. In the mean time. HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY!!
*summarily pinches anyone not posting in green*
Mecord
Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:48:42 AM
IP: proxy1-external.saltlk1.ut.home.com

Lady Mystic: <Guys may fantasize about seeing a girl, even their girlfriend, looking at, flirting and touching other women (and FS is no exception ;)>
I would *NEVER* fantasize about that!...
Unless I was fantasizing... or thinking... or pretending... or...
Hmm... come to think of it, yes, I think that IS a fantasy of mine! :)
(And it shall remain only a fantasy)
Fire Storm
Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:18:37 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

*** RELATIONSHIP RELATED DISCUSSION/RESPONSES ***

IMZADI:

<<Don't try to hide your intentions.>>
I wasn't. I clearly stated that your post reminded me of people I've run into in REAL life -- relatives, friends, former friends, acquaintances, co-workers, and people FS and/or I dislike. I only directed the last half of that thread to you because I knew you would be reading it and would naturally assume it was directed to you, or at least subconsciously directed to you. I'm not disputing the fact that I had you in mind when I wrote it, which makes sense since my response to your comment spawned the topic.

<<I'm the only one making obnoxious comments about relationships, and everyone in here knows it. And I've made such comments to just about every couple in here.>>
I didn't know that! (I rarely read anything that doesn't pertain to FS, TGS CR info or me. -- I just haven't enough time.)

<<Your comments are obviously directed at me.>>
Why, because I mentioned your name in the thread or based on your reasoning (ie: your comments about relationships, et al)? Please clarify.

<<You are implying A LOT about me.>>
I was intentionally basing my assumptions NOT on you but on people in my life outside the internet. I'm sorry for the confusion. (This topic has been rolling around in my head for a while now due to the fact that I've seen it discussed lately in other forums I visit and heard it IRL conversations. Not to mention the fact that FS and I have witnessed it since we started dating (5 years this spring).) I will admit (and I thought this at the time I was writing it) that I was only making an educated guess based on trends I have noticed. People learn and adopt habits consisting of almost everything from walking to daily activities to speech and thought patterns (such as social behavior and viewpoints). I feel this to be something people have adopted through learning in their environment (people around them, society, etc.). THAT'S what my point was. That people with these learned viewpoints tend to have these traits. In that aspect, you can then say I was adding you to my generalization.

<<Don't worry, I don't mind at all.>>
I'm SO glad you didn't mind my comment.

<<It happens to ALL be true. I understand your points. They are valid.>>
So far, my educated guess hasn't been proven wrong. And thanks. :)

<<I am not now involved with anyone, and my previous relationships have been...shall we say...less than satisfying (psychologically, anyway). Hence my desire to remain single for a while (and I suppose it comes as no shock to anyone that I'm succeeding). Eventually, some girl will show up and make me stop acting like a pig/bastard. I'm not holding my breath cuz I don't expect it to be soon, but ya never know... I'll admit, though, that the concept of someone else having an opinion about my life (an opinion that actually matters) terrifies me. At least it does right now. As for the future, who knows? Right now, my parents are the only people with opinions about my life that matter, and the result has been less than acceptable in my eyes. That fear could be what keeps me sliding between women. It also terrifies me that someone else might be in control of my life, in any way. I'm too much of a control freak at this stage in my life.>>
I think you have made a very smart choice in staying single due to the said reasons. It shows responsibility. And I commend you for that. Your choice to refrain from dating enables less hurt feelings (for both parties) and less disastrous consequences in the long run. Just wait until you are emotionally/psychologically ready to handle all that is involved in relationships. The opinion of someone close to us is one of the most important things on our list of priorities (as caring human beings). What they say, think and feel has a great impact on us (emotionally and physically) and can control so many things in our lives. It's natural AND normal. Don't be ashamed or sorry for feeling that way. And when you do get into a relationship again, remember that a relationship (no matter if it be romantic, platonic, or family oriented) consists of love, sharing, caring and compromise of all parties involved, and that all parties must give and take equally.

<<Whoa, you really hit a nerve there, although it didn't trigger me into defensive mode, it did make me spend a long time formulating my response.>>
I'm sorry I hit a nerve. I feared that from the moment I wrote it. I'm sorry for upsetting you. But I'm glad I got you thinking and helped you realize a few things. So at least my post wasn't a major loss. :)

<<If you don't like my philosophy, I don't care. I'm currently very happy. So don't bother posting about it/flaming me. No need to ruin it.>>
I'm glad you are currently happy. I had to respond to your post. But I hope you agree that this post is in no way a flame. Hope I didn't ruin it. :)

----------

GSIDE:

<<Are you completely and absolutely sure about the second part of that?>>
You mean about women? Yes. Guys may fantasize about seeing a girl, even their girlfriend, looking at, flirting and touching other women (and FS is no exception ;) ) but it also brings up feelings of competition and inadequacy. (I've heard a LOT of guys ask, "How can I compete with another woman?") And besides, FS knows from experience that if I set my mind to something I WILL accomplish it. He's also seen how I flirt. ;) FS and I are both very sensitive. If one does these things it hurts the other. So we don't do them. (Doing that stuff may not work for us, but I'm not disputing the fact that it does work for other couples.)

*** END RELATIONSHIP RELATED DISCUSSION/RESPONSES ***
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:12:45 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Imzadi> <<hackspeak or whatever the language is called>>: Just leet. The name was pretty much made standard by Megatokyo.
<>: The latter works of CSH.
<<Am I the second, or is that just my ego assuming your talking about me?>>: By my count, it's Gunjack, Robby and now Emambu.

Warpmind> <<isn't there one Accursed Spring where NOBODY has ever fallen in?>>: Then it isn't cursed yet. Just waiting for someone to drown.
<<finding ANYPLACE that actually sells warm food in my area is pretty futile>>: A true pity.

Fire Storm> <<Put your hands down my pants and I bet you fee>>: Sit on my face and tell me that you love me?
<<but what is necessary to prevent an EMP?>>: A big honking Faraday cage built out of conductive materials.
<<What is with Ukyo anyway?>>: It's the secret sauce. Which just reminded me of a very wrong fanfic.
<<What's that?>>: A way of stopping electromagnetic waves from effection something. See http://www.physlink.com/ae176.cfm
<<What is thy bidding, my master?>>: In the TASS archive, read Sacrifices (for the bedroom scene, the end is rather convienent) and The Right Man (just because they break Shampoo). And of course Dn* and HoI are essentially musts. The hidden talents series might be interesting to see Mousse give Nabiki a Screaming Orgasm.

Lynati> <<three Stan Rogers tapes>>: Mmm. Northwest Passage. Barrett's Privateers.

Sev. Jr.> <<Don't forget that the 3rd season of Farscape begins TONIGHT>>: I most assuredly did not. Loved how Crichton got a response from the congregation.

Lady Mystic> <<just like you not liking me looking at, touching and flirting with other men/women>>: Are you completely and absolutely sure about the second part of that?

Warpmind> <<a yak riding on a lama carrying an electric eel and a>>: Yeti riding a bull carrying a crane and a snake. the tentacles came later.
<<I'd say that's a pretty common male trait... oh, wait, you meant *food*!>>: I believe it also works under the food definition.
<<Don't DO that in a CR with so many gutterminds, y'hear?>>: Heh heh.

Fire Storm> <<eat that green meat in the back of the fridge!>>: You know I'd do it. And with the physical laws here, all sorts of fun stuff could happen.

Stefa> <<Hey doesn anyone play Rp around here or is it me all alone again?>>: Some do. Just expect it to go slower.

And now, you get the final in the current trilogy of mp3s, Scott McKenzie's San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Some Flowers in Your Hair).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:11:18 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

*** TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATE ***

The CR Archive has been updated to include dates up to Saturday, March 17, 2001.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2001/index.html

A short explanation concerning missing and incomplete dates was added to the archive index page as well as the page listing missing and incomplete dates. A jump navigation box was also added to the page as well.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/index.html
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/missing.html

Unfortunately an incomplete file (7/16/99-7/19/99) was discovered as I was conducting research. Thus an asterisk was added next to that date and the time frame was added to the list of missing and incomplete dates. Too bad it wasn't the other way around (ie: subtraction).

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/1999/index.html
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/missing.html

FYI: Another update, concerning other data I have been working on in my spare time, is expected sometime this week. More will be explained later.

*** END TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATE ***
Lady Mystic - [<-- TGS CR ARCHIVE UDPATE !!!]
TGS CR Info Senior Admin
Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:45:16 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Ahhh thanks jamie ^_^ for the info I really appreciate it. Well I will go to the chat room see ya there ^_~
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:09:15 PM
IP: 1cust145.tnt2.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

Stefa> *goes cross-eyed reading your posts*
Hon, if you click on my name, it's a link to the Mini Clan chat room. They do RP's there as well as just chat. It's Gargoyle based, too =)
You can possibly purchase Gargoyle comics from Ebay. I was able to buy several there.

Josh> *shrugs* I don't think you're such a bad person ;) I enjoy your humor and intelligent conversation. I do have a number 3 for possible reasons that you don't have a lot of support calls for Macs... very few people own them or at least refuses to admit to owning them? *chuckles* Just kidding! ;)
Jannie - [<--- Mini Clan chat room]
Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:03:41 PM
IP: 134.houston-01rh16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Tryglicerine> Because we named them before Greg revealed the names he had in mind. Same reason Sata is not named Katana.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, March 17, 2001 09:50:43 PM
IP: dialin-538-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Could anyone tell me why Brooklyn's kids are called Ariana and Graeme instead of Nashville and Taichi?
Triglycerine - [tankertron@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 17, 2001 09:43:16 PM
IP: 97-pool2.ras12.ilchi.agisdial.net

Imzadi - 'I' did not do a thing to JRSU. Hmm. I wonder if such forces still exist who would do something similiar to DC.

I am still running Paint Shop Pro 3.0 on day 1451 of the 30 trial period. Can anyone top that claim? If anyone doubts it, I will do a screen capture and post it to the 'net.

Jannie - thanks for the hug.

Well, at one point in my life, I could have said things can only go up.

Winterwolf - If I clone you one body part at a time, you will not have a problem? Example: You lose our left arm, so we clone you a new one. Later, you lose your right leg, so once again, we clone you a new one. Eventually, the only original body body parts you have are your chest, head, and brain. How would that feel?

Missing some gramatical mistakes is acceptable in here, but run-on sentences aren't.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, March 17, 2001 08:01:10 PM
IP: max1-27.cwy.cei.net

I LOVE THIS JOB! It doesn't make much, but I work whenever I want and its easy work. Basically, I do mac tech support over the phone. Ignoring the whole mac/pc debate, fixing macs is a relative snap. Like I said earlier, it usually involves restarting and that's it. At least that's been my experience. And if that fails, there are a few tried-and-true methods that will fix just about any problem. I make $4 per call for some calls, $10 for others. Our company, MacTank, provides tech support for several other companies, including Macconnect and the makers of ZipIt. Anyway, the more hours I work, the more calls I can take, the more money I get. And now the stinger: I'm feeling a bit like the maytag repairman. I've spent more hours at this job in the last week than in class, and I've only taken a few calls (15, I think). Now, that's righteous free money, but I thought when I signed up I'd be doing more...work. I've come to the conclusion that people don't call mac tech support very often. This means one of two things: a) macs are better/don't fsck up as often, or b) mac problems really are all resolved with a restart. I'm leaning towards (b). I know that I've had a fair share of problems with my mac (although I now have an entire tech support company at my disposal, and my roommate is the guy who WROTE MP3 alarm clock, a regular genius), and I know that getting a mac to do a lot of complicated stuff at once is almost as much of a nightmare as getting a windows machine to do a lot of complicated stuff

Lady Mystic: Don't try to hide your intentions. I'm the only one making obnoxious comments about relationships, and everyone in here knows it. And I've made such comments to just about every couple in here. Your comments are obviously directed at me. You are implying A LOT about me. Don't worry, I don't mind at all. It happens to ALL be true. I understand your points. They are valid. I am not now involved with anyone, and my previous relationships have been...shall we say...less than satisfying (psychologically, anyway). Hence my desire to remain single for a while (and I suppose it comes as no shock to anyone that I'm succeeding). Eventually, some girl will show up and make me stop acting like a pig/bastard. I'm not holding my breath cuz I don't expect it to be soon, but ya never know... I'll admit, though, that the concept of someone else having an opinion about my life (an opinion that actually matters) terrifies me. At least it does right now. As for the future, who knows? Right now, my parents are the only people with opinions about my life that matter, and the result has been less than acceptable in my eyes. That fear could be what keeps me sliding between women. It also terrifies me that someone else might be in control of my life, in any way. I'm too much of a control freak at this stage in my life. Whoa, you really hit a nerve there, although it didn't trigger me into defensive mode, it did make me spend a long time formulating my response. TO ANYONE: If you don't like my philosophy, I don't care. I'm currently very happy. So don't bother posting about it/flaming me. No need to ruin it.

Doug: Fic is en route. Enjoy it as much as Lain did! That's an order.

Warps: I fear no Lance of Quixote. Now, if you had something that was +20 against Blimps instead of Windmills, I'd be in trouble because I'm such a bag of hot air. Actually, now that I think about it, I wouldn't worry about you pointing ANY weapon at me unless it was an ICBM, because you're all the way in Middle, Nowhere, Norway. How on earth do you survive with a 33MHz chip? You can't run photoshop 6.0.1 with that!

Stefa: COMMAS! YOU NEED COMMAS!

CrzyDemona: Argh! Ventura was a nightmare to turn into an icon. Hope she was worth the effort.

Aingeal: I'm sorry you got hurt. I know what that's like. Most guys are closed with their emotions. Its how society teaches us to behave. I just recently helped a guy friend through a similar problem, and I believe that in this case, both sides may be right. You may not have realized you were playing with him, you may have inadvertently been leading him on. On the other hand, he may have been interpreting "signals" in his favor that weren't really there. It all depends on whose view you look at. Second-guessing yourself every step of the way for the rest of your life won't help you, so I'd advise against it. As I'm sure everyone in this CR will agree, you are not shallow. No one in here is. We are all much more than we appear. Your self-proclaimed empathy should be more than enough proof of that. You heal many people with your presence. You might hurt a few. Balance them and decide if the few that you MIGHT hurt for the many that you HAVE helped is worth cutting off all human contact. I'm sure you know what our answer is to that. You are not a rotten person unless you played with his emotions intentionally, which you obviously didn't. If he's blown something out of proportion, then that's his loss and you're probably better off without him anyway.

Pinky, you have the reasoning skills of a burlap sack.
-The Brain, "Pinky and the Brain"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, SUNNY California, US of A
Saturday, March 17, 2001 07:39:02 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-128.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Hi... I'm living...I think.

***Self-doubt pity session***

Well... ::collapses in corner:: I just lost another friend... great... y'know... I would think i'dhave learned by now not to trust anyone. For anyone who has not talked to me since this morning... here's the sitch:

I liked guy last semester, before I met wolf. didn't see him much, couldn't tell if he really liked me or not. Met his best friend online... got to konw him, made frineds of the brotherly sort. have tried to be the best friend I can to both... now that I'm single the best friend and a girl were trying to set me up with him... then overnight the best friend turns on me and rips me to shreds saying that I've been playing with the guy's emotions and that i'm immature, and not taking anything seriously... and that he feels it's in the guy's best interest to stay away from me, and that he has deleted all my SN's and that he never wants to talk to me again because he's sick of arguing with an immature self-absorbed girl. WE'VE NEVER ARGUED until this morning. Am i missing something here? Y'know.. i like the guy... he's nice, can make me smile, but i don't know him well enough to do anything. he's never said that I'm doing anything to hurt him, ANYthing. I konw.. he's closed and doesn't show emotions much, am i really that cruel?

I'm caught second guessing myself now, wondering if i'm really as shallow and rotten as I'm being accused of being... I'm an empath tho... I feel things deeper than just about anyone i know... and I'm tearing myself apart wondering if i'm truly hurting more than I'm healing those i come into conatact with.

***End self-doubt pity session***

anyway... if anyone has any comments, anyone that knows me feel free to e-mail and tell me if I'm a fool, or if he's right, or whatever... i'm confused.

::sighs:: anyway... i'm working through season 4 or TGS finally.. it's great.

anyway... movie calls in 15 min... byebye
Aingeal - [aingealkelly@yahoo.com]
Hades
Saturday, March 17, 2001 07:15:55 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

okay guys.. just checking in..
my spidey sense is going absolutely INSANE at the moment, for no reason I can tell but I just feel in my gut like something is horribly wrong and I just want to make sure everyone's okay..
okay?? everyone's okay..
okay..
*wonders what the HECK is going on in her brain*
hey look.. lain is CRAZY!! crazy crazy..
maybe the smell of that flower I just bought for Lyn is going to my brain and it is really some toxic substance that.. no wait.. that can't be it...

anyway.. I hope everyone's okay and if I find the sourse of the spidey alert I will let you know...

*exits looking worried*
lain
Saturday, March 17, 2001 06:21:10 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

Hey doesn anyone play Rp around here or is it me all alone again? oh well anyway does anyone know where to get some gargyole comics or something see ya ^_~
Stefa - [kssmiley@msn.com]
Glendale, Arizona, U.S.A
Saturday, March 17, 2001 06:04:42 PM
IP: 1cust5.tnt5.phoenix.az.da.uu.net

A quick post to leave a link that Oracle passed on to me. I've enjoyed looking at the videos! Some are quite hilarious :) If you're on the main page, click on "videos".

*ties a red ribbon to go with the blue bow in Denis' hair*
*giggles and runs out*
Jannie - [<--- funny!]
Saturday, March 17, 2001 05:18:44 PM
IP: 205.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Happy St. Patricks day everyone!

Let's all drink green beer and eat that green meat in the back of the fridge! ;)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, March 17, 2001 05:17:04 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Mandolin: Merlin Missy's e-mail address is missy@reimer.com

Her web page was updated 3 days ago, so I am pretty sure she keeps her e-mail address updated.

(My e-mail link is her address and my name link is her web site)
Fire Storm (Merlin Missy's e-mail address)-----> - [missy@reimer.com]
Saturday, March 17, 2001 01:27:05 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Top 20.

ATTENTION: Will anyone who knows Merlin Missy's current e-mail address please send it to me? My English professor, who I know she had classes with when she was at Hood, died of a heart attack over break. I thought she'd want to know.

**sighs and goes back to unpacking**
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 17, 2001 01:16:55 PM
IP: 144.175.21.16

Be I 10th?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, March 17, 2001 01:09:24 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Thanks Kyryn, Wow seven months I guess I can wait a bit longer. ='( Good luck getting everthing together. =')
Tamerlane
Oceanside, CA
Saturday, March 17, 2001 01:00:58 PM
IP: proxy2-external.vista1.sdca.home.com

Ninth?
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:57:58 PM
IP: user-37kaovg.dialup.mindspring.com

eighth go me!
Mara
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:55:46 PM
IP: 143.55.182.103

im here im here im alive and...
seventh?? eigth???
lain
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:41:40 PM
IP: dynrez216-32119.dhr.reznet.uwo.ca

argh...typo.. not 2nd *shakes head*
Jannie
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:38:14 PM
IP: 59.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Sixth
James Birdsong - [LennexMacDuff@yahoo.com]
Token sane guy
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:37:50 PM
IP: 1cust5.tnt1.sdg1.da.uu.net

*blinks and looks around* wow.. hmmm... umm 2nd?
Jannie
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:36:35 PM
IP: 59.houston-32rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net

Fifth!
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:33:59 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

Fourth and BACK!!!!
Kitainia
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:23:35 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.22.dlls.grid.net

THIRD!!! I forgot about the saturday thing. Suppose I chould come around more huh? :)
Mecord
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:19:36 PM
IP: proxy1-external.saltlk1.ut.home.com

SECOND!!!
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:03:49 PM
IP: dialin-1263-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

FIRST!!! And WTF happened to the CR? Wait, it's SATURDAY!!!
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:56:53 AM
IP: mp-216-44-181.daxnet.no