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Kit> can I be in the motorcycle gang too? *Jannie eyes* I ride/drive a motorcycle too! Yahama Virago 500, candy apple red =)
Jannie
Saturday, May 5, 2001 08:32:51 AM
IP: modem20-228.mo-net.com

Azrael> For me there is only one sacred rule, and that is "Your rights end where the rights of others begin."
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, May 5, 2001 04:25:44 AM
IP: dialin-685-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Greg> <But don't place your values over someone elses.> But that's exactly what one should do. Or perhaps, to put it more correctly, any value that you feel is correct, should also be one you feel enough about to convice others is correct as well.

To use your Hindu and cow example- Yes, Hindus SHOULD try to convince others not to eat cow. They should use every reasoned and reasonable argument they can think of to convince others. If I claim to feel one way, say about meat, or euthenasia, or whatever else, but never try to convince others, then I've never even really convinced myself.

It isn't a value or a belief if I don't try to persuade others who believe differently that I am right.

I do agree that I should not impose those beliefs on others. Going back to the Hindu example: No, they should not shoot people who eat cow, they should however, try to convince others that they are right in their beliefs.
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Saturday, May 5, 2001 04:14:12 AM
IP: adsl-65-65-210-178.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Beth: Forgot the ear infection. I'll pray you get over that soon too. Best of luck. <risks contagion with a hug>
Kit again
Saturday, May 5, 2001 12:32:28 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.51.dlls.grid.net

Oh, one more thing. Hope you get well soon, Beth. Laryngitis, a cold, insomnia, and headaches together is something I hope never to experience. I'll be praying the experience ends soon for you.
Kit
Saturday, May 5, 2001 12:28:05 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.51.dlls.grid.net

Shinigami: To each their own. Personally, whenever I see gay porn on screen, I can't help but feel so sorry for all the girls missing out on the hot guys fooling around with each other that I can't get aroused at all. <shrugs>

Lain: <CR biker gang> Sure, we can do that. :) I don't like leather with frills much either, just straight black or red leather is enough for me. And I don't usually go beyond a jacket either. As for tattoos, well, the truth about bikers is different from the stereotype. Some have lots of tattoos, but most of the ones I met had only one or two. I myself only have one (the rose with feathers for leaves and petals at the base of my spine) and I think I'd like to keep it that way. The tattoo's cool, but getting it put on really hurt! :) <you're my kind of woman> Thanks. Ditto. <grins>

Beth: Congrats on getting David to join up formally with you. May many long times of happiness be ahead for you both. Just think, someday you may be able to tell us you had sex with him for 2 and 1/2 hours and really mean it! :) <roller coasters> I like them. Adrenaline rush is fun. But I get more of a rush on my bike or a water slide. Being without the crampy safety restraint is nice too.

GB: If you get the chance to read this, please know we miss you. And we miss Atilla even more. <sobs>
Kit
Saturday, May 5, 2001 12:25:58 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.51.dlls.grid.net

Interesting points on "Ending One's Own Life". What it boils down to for me is that if you are in the situation, and you do not feel it is right to end your life, than don't do it. Simple as that.

But don't place your values over someone elses. They may not see anything wrong with it. Are your values better than theirs? No, just different. Are there values better than yours, no just different.

Hindus believe a cow is a sacred animal, and treat it as a walking God. Should they go over to you and tell you not to eat beef? SHould they shoot at people who they see eating hamburgers? No, they shouldn't place their beliefs over yours.

Does everyone understand what I'm saying here?
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Friday, May 4, 2001 10:26:52 PM
IP: dialin-198-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*Beth enters sleepily in the CR in her bathrobe and carrying a big bulletin sign. She puts it up on the wall and sticks a big piece of paper with her post written on it*

It reads:

Hey guys! Sorry I can't talk right now. I have laringitis. On top of that I have a ear infection and a cold. Plus I haven't been sleeping well this past few nights because of my constant coughing. Let me tell you what happened to me yesterday...

Ok, I had signed up to go to Great America for Physics day some weeks ago. On this trip we go to the amusement park and ride rollercoaster rides to figure out physics problems on a packet the teacher gives. I signed up because David was going. ^_^ But like I mentioned earlier this week, I had a cold. I didn't care, I wanted to go anyway, even if the Japanese Club potluck WAS on the same day and I would miss it. Anyway, the group I was in (including a few of my friends and David) kept encouraging me to go on a rollercoaster ride. So, being the sheep that I was, I went. My f***ing God was I terrified!!! I felt like I was about to piss in my pants and that I was going to die. There to two emotions I hate feeling above everything else: humiliation and terror. I don't like having those kind of adrenaline rushes. Plus the ride hurt my crotch because there was a safety seat that works like a longer version of a bike seat and holds you and and lets to squeeze it with your thighs like there's no tomorrow.

On top of that I was feeling more sick and hungry from the two hour drive there and no breakfast and being in the hot sun. David volenteered to stay with me and help take care of me. ^_^ We wandered around for a while and occasionally got something to eat or drink. We went to the iMax theater there and watched this really boring movie about sailing at sea (but the shots of the ocean and heights was enought to make some people sick I bet). Damn, that iMax screen is HUGE!!!

Finally we met up with the rest of my group at the Revolution ride and suddenly while I was cursing out Even The White Devil, I lost my voice! Damn the little idiot for pissing me off. >.< Then we went to the arcade. On our walk there, my friends were trying to bring up the fact that David and I were boyfriend-girlfriend. David chase them off. I was wondering why he did that. :/ Now I don't play video games at all and I don't like them. But my friend Stephen won a toy gorilla in one of those machies where you try to grab a prize with a metal grabber thingy and he gave it to me! ^_^

Soon, the park was closing and I didn't want to miss the bus so I grabbed David and left. When we got to the exit area and waited fot the rest of our class to get there, David and I talked. I asked him why he was so uncomfortable with the idea of us being boyfriend-girlfriend. He said he didn't like the idea of being catagorized like that. Finally I asked him, "Do you want to be my boyfriend?" He said, "Sure!". And of course, I gave him a big kiss on the cheek. ^_^ The poor guy nearly got a nose bleed and passed out. ;P

I snuggled up to him on the way home. ^_^

So yeah, the experience was Hell, but now David is really my boyfriend!!! ^_^
Beth H.
Friday, May 4, 2001 10:04:57 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Euthenasia> Ah, the perennial of my speech and debate years. Let me add this, euthenasia does put doctors between a rock and a hard place. A doctor is ethically bound to do no harm. They must render assistance to everyone no exceptions. Just as they must help a victim of a drive-by, they must also help the guy who pulled the trigger. If that changes and doctors pick and choose then there is a questions if they tried hard enough.

Another potential problem is second opinion. The scenario where there is no hope and no change' happens, but more often there is a margin of doubt. A doctor may disagree to euthenasia. So a patient or their family searches for a doctor who will euthenaize. So the question is whether its really a matter of ending suffering or hearing what you want to hear. To me that is one of the larger obstacles.

Medicine is like that. One doctor may suggest surgery, another may opt for medication. Patients have rights to how they are treated, but they depend on doctors to give them all the facts to be informed. What happens in the cases where euthenasia is clear cut?
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, May 4, 2001 09:50:13 PM
IP: cbl064.pool008.ch001-west-covina.dhcp.hs.earthlink.net

Gathering Calendar Debuts!

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kathy - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 09:49:11 PM
IP: rr-56-12-110.atl.mediaone.net

Aaron: <<Yes, hot wax has soooo many uses... (Evil Laughter) >>

*suddenly curls up into the fetal position at Aaron's feet. Remains there. Soft chanting of something unintelligble is heard*

Aaron again ::<<Oh, and I should mention that I *want* my mom to get the Cruiser, so I can borrow it. I think they're cool looking, and they've got plenty of make-out space in the back. Nearly as good as a limo>>

*more unintelligble chanting, at a more urgent frequency, she glomps onto Aaron's leg, suddenly chibi-fied*

Coyote::<<Josh/Aaron, re: cars: While I'm on the topic of cars ... I'll put my Caddy up against both the Jeep *and* the PT ... for one reason only: humongous bench seats front and rear that feel like you're driving down the interstate on your living room sofa. You can use yer imagination from there. ;) >>

*unchibifies*

Speaking as a woman, and therefore having the only authority needed to bring this silly thing to rest (breasts!)... What in the world makes you think that more room equals better? Me, I think they're nothing sexier than making out in the back seat of a tiny car. Barely breathing room... Mmm.

Doug:<<Gay is two+ men in a sexual act- that's what disgusts and befuddles me>>

Dooooood, but, like men are hot! And two hot men making out... hotter! That's why we girls love Bishonen, why we love animes like Revolutionary Girl Utena. Why we have yaoi doujinshi of Gundam Wing,Trigun and Slayers and every possibly anime with a hunky male cast. Which reminds me. Aaron, if I can convince Robin................... pweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaase?

Kishanta:: <<Ah well - How the mighty have fallen.>>

Oh, get over yourself. This is a great fandom BECAUSE we aren't all lovey dovey. Was the show anything other than conflict and the good and evils that come of it? Why should we *have* to all get along?

<<** Kirshanta takes flight, one tear falling into the wind, a testament to the Gargoyles dream that was... >>

And next you'll be shedding a tear for the enviorment? That poster's been done, sugar. Perhaps somewhere in here agrees with you completely. However, I am not one of them. I thrive on conflict, the expansion of mindset, the creation of new ideals. What martyrdom for you to have to deal with us horrible fans. Poor poor you. Ah, yes, and to use something put to post, we are clans. Not Clan. Could you possibly imagine one mindset to work within? Horrible. Poor Kirshanta, that we can't all pretend to believe in the same things so you don't have to watch a conflict.

*snuggles Aaron's leg, and shrugs* you're entitled to your opinion. As is everyoe else in here. And because of that, conflict is a necessary consequence.

"Peace? I hate the word. As I hate hell, and all Montagues.."~ Tybalt.
Shinigami - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 09:08:08 PM
IP: ac8ed009.ipt.aol.com

Gathering Announcements:

Just added to the schedule:

It's the movie that started it all, on a large screen for the first time since the series debut. That's right, Gargoyles fans, we've got it and it's just for you. "Awakenings".

See the clan as they wake in a new world, make new allies, and new enemies. Share Goliath's joy as he is reunited with his "Angel of the Night" and his sorrow as he learns a thousand years is a long time in any relationship. And watch as Detective Elisa Maza makes a life changing discovery when she unravels the mystery of "What leaves claw marks in solid concrete?"

Join us on Friday, June 22nd after Opening Ceremonies for this special screening of the original 35mm print of the specially edited GARGOYLES movie that was used at Walt Disney World's Pleasure Island in Orlando, Florida for the GARGOYLES WORLD PREMIERE on September 29th, 1994.

Time, time, ticking, ticking away:

There's only about 10 days left to pre-register for your Gathering 2001 attending membership! May 15 is the deadline to have your registration submitted online or postmarked. We're also still taking reservations for the dinner, and accepting prepaid orders for t-shirts and calendars. Buy now and save... prices will be higher at the convention! You can even palce your order online instantly if you have Paypal.

We're working hard and looking forward to this being the most exciting Gathering yet.

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Patrick Toman, Vice Convention Chair - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 08:04:49 PM
IP: aca815dd.ipt.aol.com

**Catches the IBC tossed by Gunjack, pops the top and takes a long pull**
Thanks, I needed that.

Now, on to the replies--

Morality: When you rule out the "Moral Objectives" you rule out the POSIBILITY of the world ever getting better than it is. You also assume that most (any) people who are, what we would call, evil THINK they are evil. They don't.
It's really hard to get someone to do something to be evil. Instead, most people rationalize what they want to do as being "for the best." Timmothy McVey (sp?) is, IMO, evil encarnate. He does not care that he killed hundreds of people who's only sin against him was to disagree with him. He only wants to be executed because he is afraid of facing the future of nothing but prison, and hate from his fellow prisoners. Even fellons think it is wrong to kill innocent children. Those who prey on children are often put either in their own cells or in solitary confinement for their own protection. Assuming there are no Moral Objectives then says that Tim McVey is correct, and the only hold we have over him is that the Government is more powerful. You are, in effect, excusing one of the most disgusting pieces of filth ever to wear a human countenance, and further saying that if we respected his rights to Life, Liberty, ect... that now, since the crime has already been commited, we should just let him go; that the only time we really have the "right" to kill men like that is just before, at the exact moment, or just after they have committed horrendous acts.
My Mind sudders away from a world like that.

Euthenasia: To this argument, I only have a story and a couple of brief (for me) points--

Josh was 9 years old when he was diagnosed with three types of cancer, including lukemia. He immediately underwent several surgeries, chemo-therapy, and a bone marrow transplant. None of them helped.

By the time he was 12, Josh could not walk unaided, the very act of standing up caused him more pain than he could describe, and he was reviled by those his age as a "freak."

The year he turned fourteen, in July, the doctors said his cancers, which had been under control, were beginnig to "go active" again. The tumor in his brain was growing daily. They gave him weeks to live, and double digits did not enter into the equasion.

He was still in pain. He was on a constant regamin of pain-killers and sleeping pills to aleviate the stress on his increadably frail body. He would have been, by Doctor Kavorkian's measures, an ideal candidate for euthenasia.

In the middle of November, just after Thanksgiving, already having survived more than twice as long as the best case senario gave, Josh's brain tumor was so big, it would have killed a full grown man. The doctors could only call it a miracle. They informed his parents that he would die before December.

His parents asked him what he wanted, he would be allowed to go home and die in a matter of days, but without the constant pain of his medical treatments. He said, "I want a bicycle for Christmas."

The Doctors thought he didn't understand, so they "explained" it to him.

He said, "I understand. I want a bicycle for Christmas."

He got that bicycle, though he never got to ride it. On, or about, December 31, Josh told his mom, "You know what I want now? I want to see Jesus." The next morning he was dead.

I know this story because I lived through it. Josh was one of my friends, just a few years younger than myself. His family went to my church. I'm not sure how they survived it.

All I'm sure of, is that every day of my life, I remember Josh and his family, along with others I've known who have died too young, and it gives me the strength to live the life they never got chances to.

The point? How can one take one's own life, even by proxy, when they can do so much more good. Even if the only thing you leave behind is a legacy of inspiration, do you not owe that to the human race? Do you not owe some kind of debt to humanity to make us strive to be better? After knowing Josh, how can I, as a human being, give less than my entire life, until such time as God calls me home, not until such time as I decide y'all aren't worth it any more?

Oh, and this is the part that hurts me worse than anything else: I can't remember Josh's last name.
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Friday, May 4, 2001 07:04:49 PM
IP: adsl-65-65-208-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

*Enters*

art is art...ookayt, see, security is supposed to kick us out od foundations at 2am, see, because it is school law. I was hopin' to gwet back int time to talk to Valentine...there be noclock in the room, and no windows; no t9ime. wow, look at all the typoes im making. *shrugs* anywho, so, I finally stop woking..no wait. Okay, i woke up at 12:50, about ten minutes before class. I got there on time. I left for several short supply runs deuring the next three hours; short meaning the five-minute walk to my drom room or the school store. I stayed for a while, went to eat; that was 6 pm. I'm back in tht studio by 6:15, anmd worked and waorked. I just got back to the dorms...okay, I've been reading posts for 30 minutes now, and coming up with responses. so, I get back to my room, and it is 3:30 AM.
...
(It is now 4:13) So, see, security no came to throw me out...it's a good theing my eyes hurt to much to go on, 'cause if I'd have waited to be thrown out, i maight have very well been there all night. I'm going out for supplies tomoroow; and more work. Not gonna be around. gotta finish my supply list.

*takes a moment of silence for Rev. Attila*

Timedancer: I'd like to see more scenes/eps that link into later events. I'd like to see Meryt...no, wait. I'd like to see her in the REGULAR series, in her present-day form. we know she's out there; there were reports of her during the Unseelie war, and Hartoth is alive in the far future, and their lives are linked.(right?) Anyway...I'd like to see more of the twins at a young age, and I would like to see more of Lexington. More of "the trio", and how they get along now. (and interesing switch; them old and Brook young, (young-er, I mean) as opposed to how it is in the regular series.) See if we can learn anything (that Brook and his family don't neccessarily have to know about) about how he came to his current state. and...well, a lot of what people have already mentioned. And another thing; I would like to see longer stories. Now, I know that there has been a lot of turn-over of staff, and that everyone is having to work out a lot of how-to-deal-with-things issues- point is, if you guys need more time to work stuff out, take it. I'd rather let you guys take a month off to explore ideas for the stories and to have mad editing fun with the breakdowns...than have stories right now that were not given the time for the writers to fully expound on and polish. Thank you again for the time and effort you DO put into the work as-is.

Spacebabie: ,timedancer> last I knew, it was still brook and brook ONLY who was bound to the gate; thuis making it impossible for Sata to dance alone. (but it was a nice thougnt.)

Kirshanta: we AAARE between seasons. I'm not saying there is nothing garg-related we could be discussing; I'm just saying there is nothing NEW right now. Oh, and if you caught Gunjack's response to you, yes, those are garg-fics that we have on many occasion stayed up well past 3am discussing.

lain: *hugs* I keep Missing you! ...and I miss you, too.
Err, that quote was from the end of "eating mangoes naked." I though yawould;ve noticed the tagline reference.

Gunjack "your resistence is strong" Valentine: <nothing to tag> not unless there is something YOU want to be telling ME. and, yes, I'm pretty sure that any female in the room would make ANYONE pay, one way or another, for saying that a picture of them looked like the Godfather. I'm going to send you the "LynatiBubbles" pic and see what you have to say about THAT. <Egyptians> I duuno; you tell ME. You're the one who said it. remeber, the other day? when I was explaining about stuff that happened in the dimension Meret'at is from? Oh, WAIT. I forgot. this is the guy whonce asked me several days in a row is the character "'xander" was the "Buffy" Xander, after I had A) already told him that it was Alexander Xanatos's nickname, B) already told him that the Buffy Stories crossover was seperate from the Garg Stories, and C)...WHY THE F$^#& WOULD XANDER HARRIS BEING CALLING FOX XANATOS "MOMMY", ANYWAY?!!!
...
sorry. need sleeeeeps.
<corset> whaddya mean, "...for me?" just how do you intend to keep me from wearing one if I so choose? ;) (yeah, I know what you meant.) oh, and the comp. lab was closed today when I went to go send you a pic.

Warpmind Update = okay, the phone company people changed there mids, and aren't goona fix the lines until after the weekednd. :P

mkay. 4:55. sleepy-time for Lynati now.

*Collapses in front of the fireplace, Sammy held in one hand, her new pic of Warps in the other, and a smile on her face*
Lynati "Ooh, taglines are fun!!" Kshudra
South of Sanity: ..and counting...
Friday, May 4, 2001 05:49:58 PM
IP: 207.94.232.248

What's this? Jaden actually posting withing 24 hours of the his last one!? Next thing you know a statue will come to life or something.

Azrael<failure to re-evaluate people> I like that and in someways I agree with what you're saying. I'll think on this.

Doug- Always glad to support a friend. As for the people driving safely, well we can only hope.

Greg- I'd be surprised if someone comes here regularly and didn't read at least one of the TGS sagas, but then what is life without its surprises? As for me, if my eyes could breath I'd inhale it.

Gargoyle discussions- We still have those, and God we used to talk about everything. Stone sleep, size, types, anatomy, sex and just about the rest of the stuff. Anyone who is curious about something just needs to ask.

Imzadi<<as if they were an idiot>> or just someone who doesn't know any better. Either way I'd just have to clue them in.

Timedancer- I'd like to see them play a more important role in history and a trip to a galaxy far, far...um to boldly go...WAIT! Just go forward.

"Respect and Tolerance for others beliefs. Sound nice? Wanna try it?"
-Unknown

Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Friday, May 4, 2001 02:38:41 PM
IP: ac849b35.ipt.aol.com

Caught up on sluggy, and said goodbye to Lain. No time for real replies, but...

Gside><<Clockwise?>> Bingo. I AM impressed... How about:

"Either she's still alive, and the papers were wrong, or she's dead. And in a REMARKABLE state of preservation."

Imzadi><<And if the godfather thing didn't piss her off, that will!>> Reread the post. I was refering to ***MY*** chest!!! Sheesh! : P ...It's like "Misinterpret Valentine" week!

And I'll get to those replies sometime in, say, seven days. Tomorrow I hit the Ren Fair, thence to Ben's for four hours of News Radio, Anime women and hammocks, some GURPS, and maybe a little Xenogears. And so onward to the Drunken Scott's for More Anime Than Is Healthy (Armitage, Gunsmith Cats, Endless Waltz, maybe more...), along with more GURPS, fine food, a little buttkicking, shuriken practice with Dan (this guy can throw ANYTHING to deadly effect!), and some trigger time on Jeff's new (to me) .303 British battle rifle.
So until then, Peace!

*Dons sunglasses and trenchcoat, grabs his gunleather off the back of the comfy chair, and heads out into the wild blue yonder*

He said Son, can you play me a memory
I'm not really sure how it goes
But it's sad, and it's sweet
And I knew it complete
When I wore a younger man's clothes...
-Billy Joel, "Piano Man"
Gunjack "...You Know the Problem With Nudist Colonies?" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 02:28:48 PM
IP: ac914a76.ipt.aol.com

Gunjack> <<Left, right?>>: Clockwise?
<<ny TRUE gook should know the answer>>: Well, judging by stqatistics of geek, or at least engineering populations...

Sev. Jr.> <<Wink, wink>>: What? No nudge, nudge?

Spacebabie> <<wich is better Chemistry, Bio or Physics>>: As a class, physics. To blow things up, chemistry. For general fun, biology.

Greg Bishansky> <<what would you all like to see?>>: The new season. I'm pretty easy to please.
<<What do you not want to see?>>: Homonecropyrobestialiacs having too much fun. Wait, you meant in the new season.
<<How many people in here even read TGS?>>:Yo.

Imzadi> <<You're still a virgin, aren't you?>>: Yes, yes I am. Should I start crying like a little girl now for being outed? But since it is pretty much a permanent affliction (assuming I never go to jail), I can't let it bother me too much.
<<Just tell me when so I can get out of CA>>: Righteo.
<<does that mean that she's marrying ME for money?>>: Depends enirely on her motivations.
<>: Nor do I, really.
<<What I want to know is how everyone knew him so well?>>: He used to post.
<<isn't it in the definition of "geek" that they must be a john cleese fan?>>: There are many varieties of geek, including the classic chicken head eating version.
<<Does that sound wrong to anyone else?>>: No more worse than the Dane's "That is a fair thought to lie in a maiden's lap."

Aaron> <<should we have a big wake>>: I think a wake would be appropriate.
<<how �bout you guys pick me up on the way through Texas, and I'll hang with you �til we hit NYC>>: I'd probably start with New York, then head west.

Gunjack> <<We got a problem here>>: That'd freak me out.
<<with only a jerseyite for backup?>>: Hey!
<<cue "One-Winged Angel">>: Odd thought, do you pronounce that with an accent on the ed?
<<it has to do with blackmailing the vatican>>: So what are our exact demands, again?
<<ASnd a hangover would improve that...?>>: Who thinks that far ahead?
<<The last thing I need just now would be to wake up and find I'm more hentai than Warpmind>>: That's a bad thing?
<<the soul merely split four ways after his death>>: There are generally four quarters of the brain for proficiency of thoughts. It could just work. I call one of the left pieces.
<>: You haven't been getting my recent mp3s, have you?
<<It'd be nice, though...>>: True, but males through history have learned to live without it.
<<it seems Moxy was on Napster's Little List>>: Want me to put it in my eden account for you?
<<I'm Halley, got it?>>: If I get to be Bruno.
<<How does that work?>>: Isn't that how it normally works in marriages?
<<Eh?>>: Poli sci is generally considered to have the lightes workload of all majors.
<<Doesn't she usually go with the white shirt/green vest/plaid skirt/dryer sheet ensamble?>>: No matter how much she tries to get rid of the dryer sheet.
<<Jersey isn't THAT far from NYC, is it?>>: I'm about an hour from both NYC and Philly.
<<The "*Boing* Factor" isn't, uh, a female thing>>: Ah. That would be My Bad. I thought boing was too bouncy a word for the action you say it describes. And you know me and bouncy.
<<I've always connected that word with MAMMALS>>: Once they're on fire, it doesn't make much of a difference.

Lain> <<were gonna see if we can upgrade her 810MB hard drive>>: I should hope so. I've had files larger than that (the complete zipped AMG).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Friday, May 4, 2001 01:44:42 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Warning, everyone! My brain is absolutely *fried* from finals tonight, and I feel just giddy! (So don't expect much sense out of me tonight) ;)

Survivor> Well, I'll admit, the show's finale left me with a warm fuzzy feeling...it was very nice to watch both Colby and Tina for some reason. I agree with you, Christine...last time, when Rich won, I was evil, laughing, Machiavellian Ravyn...now, I was just happy. Very strange. ;) Bring on Survivor 3!!! :) (and did anyone else think Colby looked *darn* good during the finale?) ;)

Christine> I was laughing soooo hard at Jerri too!!! It was like she reaaaaally wanted an apology, and Tina and Colby just ignored her! It was great! :)

Gunjack, Josh> **chuckles** Oh, you two are great! ;) Thank you for the insight on the way guys think about the whole "manly gal" stuff. Very interesting. And I just LOVE your small debates about me!!! It's soooo entertaining! You guys rule!!! :) So, the question I'll leave you to ponder is...am I butch, built like a brick wall, or both?? ;) The world may never know...well, unless you can get the answer out of Coyote, who has pictures. Or wait until word leaks out after the Gathering. Hm...okay, the world just might know. But it's fun to play for now. :)

PT Cruiser> Don't like it. I have no real reason why. I just don't. ;)

SUV's> Fun, but I don't think I'd ever own one myself. Give me a sports car any day. :)

Greg> Well, you can bring coffee to the Tea Table, I won't mind...heck, I'll even serve coffee at the Tea Table...it's just fun for me with the Tea Table name. ;) **brings in coffee and sets it on the Table** :)

Timedancer Stuff> I would LOVE to see the idea that someone suggested, about Sata in the Wild West. That would be sooooo cool, I think. Especially if it was Arizona...;) The West has tons of interesting stories and places you could work into there, or it could just stand on its own. Tremendous idea. :) Leonardo da Vinci sounds cool too, but I would try to stay away from including too many historical figures. ;)

TGS> I read it. Whenever I get a chance. :)

Coyote> **blinks, grinning** Ooh... yer Caddy...mmm... ack, NEVER tell me to use my imagination like that! You're only encouraging me! :) Ack! Thoughts are digressing... hmmm.... mmmmm... Caddy....

**skips out, imagination running wild** ;)
Ravyn "Built Like a Brick Wall" Maza
Friday, May 4, 2001 01:23:51 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

what? (i just read the CR and.. joshy poo is GONE already.. *sigh* and he is getting an EXTRA 20 GB on his comp..??? *EXTRA*????!!?!?!?!
*sigh*

euthenasia>> well.. having had this conversation with gunjack at 4am one day alooong time ago, involving what i would have prefered (after having watched a loved one suffer) and knowing what my mother would have prefered in the final, excruciating days of her life, i think i safely stand in the "all for euthenasia under the right circumstances" court..

and i was also bitten in the bum by a rather large and imposing creativity demon today.. ive had this world full of stories in my brain goin round for the past little while but... it was always missin something its got the racial issues, the cloning experimentation issues, the womens roles and mens roles in society issues, the justification for war issues, the relationship abuse issues, the interspecies/interfaith relationship issues, the homophobia issues, the genocide issues.. and even the deadly STD issues.. oh.. and the cross dressing issues.. dont forget those..
and i was missin the POLITICAL issues.. geez.. how DAFT can i be? so its gonna be fun : D

anyway.. thats all i have time for..
i guess ill see you when i get my computer back.. unless i can find a computer lab..
till then, keep out of trouble, eh?
love,
lain "ixesha lifikile, lala kahle" iwakura
the Great White North
Friday, May 4, 2001 01:05:18 PM
IP: ttya0c.ptbo.igs.net

But it did anyway. God damn it.
Sevarius Jr.
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:46:49 PM
IP: 66-44-54-231.s231.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Here's hoping this doesn't get sent twice.

Rodlox, in refuting me, you didn't refute me at all.

You didn't read what I wrote closely enough. I said that animals don't kill their own EXCEPT in circumstances of preserving their own unique bloodline (which would be the case of the chimpanzees killing the other tribe...key word being OTHER tribe, not their own), or a mother animal killing or neglecting her baby in order for the strong to survive (the kangaroo example you gave).

Not to nitpick, but the examples you gave were exactly along the same vein as the examples I gave, and thus did not refute what I had to say at all.

It's okay, though, because I know that there are lots of enthusiastic atheists and evolutionists out there who are just itching to prove the fallacy in what I had to say. But that's not my point. My point is that, as humans we should be above killing our own (even if it is under the absurd and foolish presumption that we are doing something merciful by ending their life), but we aren't because we really have nothing in us that inherently tells us that is is wrong to do so, thus it's not surprising that some people are willing to kill the sick and infirm because it is assumed that that is what is best for them.

But I'm not trying to be proven correct or anything. This really isn't an argument that I'm trying to put forth, it's more just a matter of personal opinion.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:45:32 PM
IP: 66-44-54-231.s231.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Rodlox, in refuting me, you didn't refute me at all.

You didn't read what I wrote closely enough. I said that animals don't kill their own EXCEPT in circumstances of preserving their own unique bloodline (which would be the case of the chimpanzees killing the other tribe...key word being OTHER tribe, not their own), or a mother animal killing or neglecting her baby in order for the strong to survive (the kangaroo example you gave).

Not to nitpick, but the examples you gave were exactly along the same vein as the examples I gave, and thus did not refute what I had to say at all.

It's okay, though, because I know that there are lots of enthusiastic atheists and evolutionists out there who are just itching to prove the fallacy in what I had to say. But that's not my point. My point is that, as humans we should be above killing our own (even if it is under the absurd and foolish presumption that we are doing something merciful by ending their life), but we aren't because we really have nothing in us that inherently tells us that is is wrong to do so, thus it's not surprising that some people are willing to kill the sick and infirm because it is assumed that that is what is best for them.

But I'm not trying to be proven correct or anything. This really isn't an argument that I'm trying to put forth, it's more just a matter of personal opinion.
Anonymous
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:44:50 PM
IP: 66-44-54-231.s231.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Hey all, just checking in before I go to bed...
Ooh! does anyone know when new eps of Timedancer will be up?? Its my absolute favorite of the spin-offs and I can't wait!!
All I wanna see is more Brooklyn! : )
I'm slowly catching up on my reading...only found this site last month, around the end of term at college, so I haven't had much time to really get to a lot of it. I'm hoping this summer allows for some good reading!

Well, I have to work early tomorrow, and I have to be on my feet all day, doing manual labor and such. Which will be really hard because I just broke the middle toe about an hour ago kicking a chair (which was in a very bad place for a chair to be in) not ten minutes after kicking it not so hard previously. You would think I'd learn the first time, but nooooo...
Okay, I'm outta here, g'night!
Siofra - [Siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:38:44 PM
IP: dialup-166.90.231.140.dial1.detroit1.level3.net

Sevarius Jr: <they rarely kill their own except to preserve their species> are you familiar with members of the genus _Pan_?

**RANT {or at least I think it is}...

chimpanzees are notorious for committing wholesale extermination of other chimpanzee tribes.

heck, let's bring in the dolphins. Flipper's _Tursiops turncatus(sp?)_ species has a record of raping females of their species.

you want to discuss how kangaroo mothers can, in lean years, pull their joey out of the pouch, abandoning it to die.

***END.

sorry....if you want to reply, go ahead. if not, say Not.

Rodlox
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:30:50 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

URGENT MESSAGE FOR IMZY>> can you email me your telephone number real quick-like? in case i need you for info about trips to canada etc?
Mutant Enemy (my computer) isnt even COMING back with me to school.. she has to go to the shop were gonna see if we can upgrade her 810MB hard drive.. some more memory and she needs a new net card so i can surf not on the network. so ill email you from here what is MY phone number and then.. i guess if you dont get this message in time you can call me or something.
thanks
love,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 11:38:38 AM
IP: ttya0c.ptbo.igs.net

Actually, I think Jack Kevorkian absolutely deserves to be put in prison, and I'll tell you why. Regardless of the debate of whether or not it should be okay to euthanize people, I think that in Kevorkian's case, it's not about helping people at all. I honestly believe that he just really, really, REALLY gets off on killing people. Or, I suppose I should say, to be politically correct, "helping people die". In my eyes, he's essentially a serial killer, but the only reason that he's been cut some slack is because the people he kills have no value of their own life.

I do find one really disturbing thing about the whole euthanasia debate, however. It was voiced by Greg.
<<Besides, we put animals to sleep if they're in pain and suffering (my Aunt and Uncle had to put their dog to sleep for this reason) so why not human beings?>>
Because we aren't animals.

I know, the SCIENTIFIC definition is that a few years ago we decided that it just wasn't cool to swing around in trees and eat bananas any longer, so we decided to walk erect, blah blah blah, but I would argue that human beings are NOT animals in any sense whatsoever. You could argue that we are in the narrowest biological sense, in that we are biological entities. But everything else about us, I would argue, sets us lightyears apart from every other species in the animal kingdom. You just can't compare us with the beasts of the field. If Grandma gets sick, you just don't put her down.

This all ties in with the fact that human beings do NOT have any sort instinct against killing their own (and again, I would make the argument that we do not have such an instinct because we are not animals, but I digress). With most animals in the animal kingdom, they rarely kill their own except to preserve their species, or their unique bloodline--for example, when a male lion kills the cubs in a pride he has just won by defeating the pride's previous alpha male, or when a female animal will kill (or simply neglect) the weakest of her young so that the strongest will survive.
Human beings don't have that. Life doesn't have the same value for us. We kill for nothing. Hell, we kill cause we like it. So why should some of us see anything wrong with killing Grandpa?
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 11:02:48 AM
IP: 66-44-54-231.s231.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Evening, folks. Been too long.

Condolences to GB on the passing of Attila. Spunky also gives his regards.

Should have more to say, but tired beyond capacity for rational thought. :P
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Friday, May 4, 2001 10:55:09 AM
IP: adsl-138-89-122-58.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

In all the stress of the week, I've realized that I haven't put in a report in here about how the test went on Tuesday ...

... in a word: bureaucratic. It was annoying enough that almost *none* of the stuff that we'd studied in the *seven week course* we took to prep for it were actually covered ... but I think it went well. Won't know until July, but I'll be sure to keep y'all posted.

Josh/Aaron, re: cars: While I'm on the topic of cars ... I'll put my Caddy up against both the Jeep *and* the PT ... for one reason only: humongous bench seats front and rear that feel like you're driving down the interstate on your living room sofa. You can use yer imagination from there. ;)

Speaking of which ... **skips out to use his imagination a little**
Coyote the Bando
Friday, May 4, 2001 10:29:55 AM
IP: 64.243.214.70

Yes! In a couple hours I'll be in Santa Cruz, home of the Banana Slugs, an RHPS, and, most importantly: HOT CHICKS WHO ARE IMPRESSED WITH BERKELEY GUYS. Supposedly, we're "really smart" and that impresses them...the fools...oh well, their stupidity is (as usual) my gain! So I'll see you all on sunday!

Hey, and I just found out that I can get a developer discount on my Titanium Powerbook! That means that for the price of the laptop I was considering, I can throw in an extra 20GB of internal hard drive space! WHOHOO!

A few responses.

Aaron: <<make-out space in the back>>: My Jeep will duel against your PT for make-out space any day of the week (except Tuesdays, cuz that's when Dark Angel is on). <<Just brick Sh!thouses, right?>>: Nope, not that either. <<Outlaw Star and Big O are two separate>>: My bad. Ignore that part of the post and just tell me if "Big O" sounds wrong. <<scantily clad women>>: I am SO there. <>: I do. But I usually forget it after I make my post.

Gunjack: <<(Horse)Power corrupts>>: Absolutely. hehe get it? 8-) <<abandon a fellow Texan to the rabid New Yorkers with only a jerseyite for backup>>: Next time on Survivor: Urban Jungle! <<I'm gonna be paying for that one for a long time, aren't I?>>: Probably. <<Nothing to tag?>>: And if the godfather thing didn't piss her off, that will! <<except that Lain strongly disapproves>>: Forgive me, I'm new here. When did you become Lain's b*tch? <<Santa's gonna put cucumbers in yer stalking>>: I know some girls who might enjoy that...<<Who do you want to be president if you're an aspiring software designer?>>: That's engineering, of a sort. I'd say a republican. Not only that, but republicans support the independent behavior of big business (such as microsoft), which means you're gonna get paid a LOT more. The fact that republicans support M$ is one of the few things that annoys me about them. That and the whole "no abortions" and "gays are evil" thing...but I'm sure I've glossed over other things about the party that piss me off. The problem is, I can't be a democrat because I like to spend the money that I make (and spend the obscene amounts of money that my parents make) and not give it to everyone else. I guess I"m just not a communist that way. <<Whyever not?>>: Refer back to my first few posts here, where I talked about how I'm a pig. 8-) <<Calling Ravyn "Butch"?>>: Not at all. Though since I've never seen her, I can't say for sure. <<That'll work too!>>: Kid tested, mother approved! Okay, so the mother had to be half-asleep first, but then she approved! <<wonders how much he can scare Josh>>: Not much. I went to a working ranch camp for 12 years: flinging cow-pie frisbees is a way of life. <<There's a difference?>>: No. That was the joke. <<you won't be joining us?>>: Am I being invited? If so, hell yeah I'll join! <<it has to do with blackmailing the vatican>>: Finally! <<I'm not sure if that beat my record or not>>: I doubt you were in the middle of finals while YOU did it. 8-) <>: Me too. Especially gift wrapped chicken and beef w/ broccoli. <<Eh?>>: Gside was suggesting that the only intelligent students are engineering students, and poli sci students are the dumbest pieces of dog meat on the planet (a reasonable assumption, if you've ever been to Berkeley). <<gay people listened to Savage Garden?>>: I said that. SJ just backed me up. Both of us were kidding. My dad listens to SG, and I'm pretty sure he's straight. <<it's like listening to your siblings fighting>>: No, its much more childish. At least siblings have a reason as lofty as vying for parental attention.

*******ARGUMENT CLINIC**********
<<What if they did?>>: We'd be fscked. <<why do we pay people to dispense it?>>: Because life is also an inalienable right, apparently, and it costs money. Lots of money. <<You don't pay for something that already should be yours>>: What planet do YOU live on? <<Logically, that statement either makes you the Ubermensche, or wrong>>: The former.

<<It means that murder was, is, and always will BE wriong>>: No. Objective values, by definition (according to ANY philosopher) means that the value is beyond our desires AND motivates us to action. That means that if murder is objectively wrong, we will THINK it is wrong and act accordingly. <<If our morals are subjective, then there's no real reason to interfere with his activity>>: Well, yeah. But since we think its wrong, we do. Lucky for the gay guy. 8-) <<the siuation is morally nuetral, at the worst>>: Assuming subjective morals, yes. You can't force people to think something is wrong. <<morality is replaced by force>>: Sad but true. <<You're willing to accept a world with no Rule of Law?>>: No. What I said is that as a race we're screwed. Fortunately, I don't plan on being around when the sh*t hits the fan. <<this is the way it SHOULD be?>>: Not at all. I said this is way it IS, and currently I don't have the power to change it (working on that, though!).

<<first intellectually honest subjectivist>>: One of the perks of being raised without morals. I'm a living example of my own theories. <<Don't you DARE leave me hanging like that!>>: I'm sorry, but my pursuit of happiness dictates that I not talk about this. <<But don't wimp out just because people might get uncomfertable>>: Maybe after Gathering. I'll have had a chance to meet some of these people and possibly forge some more reliable friendships. Then maybe I'll talk about my true moral views and give you a ghastly peek into what makes me tick (no, this will not include X-rays, smartass).

<<should we let them rape a free country>>: Of course not. Doesn't mean we won't.
*****END ARGUMENT CLINIC***********

Going from DOS to Linux is like trading a glider for an F117.
- Lawrence Foard, entropy@world.std.com

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, May 4, 2001 10:22:28 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-62.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Trying a change of image and color.

Timedancer> As far as historical figures, I'd prefer the ordinary men and women of a time period to the big historical figures. With historical all stars, Brooklyn and family run the risk of just being spectators to historical events. I want to see them interact with the time period not become time tourists. Now with everymen, there's a lot more room to play around with.

This season, I'd like to see more the mature Brooklyn. In the main cycle you see cryptic Brooklyn because he knows the future. I'd like to see Brooklyn act mature, not because he knows, but because he is learning.

Not a surprise, but I'd like to see more Apep and Harthoth. One other thing I'd like to see is some of the history of the lesser known clans. How did gargoyles get to New Olympus? Or what happened in the near future that drove Angela and her family to Avalon? things that fill in the gaps.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Friday, May 4, 2001 09:03:49 AM
IP: cbl064.pool008.ch001-west-covina.dhcp.hs.earthlink.net

Gunjack> Well, as you know I have very liberal view points. But I know someone who had a grandfather who spentmany years bed ridden and in complete pain, and no one would let him end it. But at the same time, it shouldn't be something anyone can just do. My suggestion would be, permission from the patient and the next of kin before it is considered. Besides, we put animals to sleep if they're in pain and suffering (my Aunt and Uncle had to put their dog to sleep for this reason) so why not human beings?
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Friday, May 4, 2001 08:23:55 AM
IP: dialin-116-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Come to think of it, Brooklyn has met quite a lot of history and legend's famous and infamous in TGS: Timedancer, including:

Caesar Augustus
Nostradamus
Robin Hood
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Doug Bader
Amleth (the original Hamlet)
Owain Glyndwr (Shakespeare's Owen Glendower)
Morgana la Fay
Sir Isaac Newton (well, kind of - they didn't actually meet face to face, though)
Jim Henson
A couple of the Beatles
A lot of Egyptian gods
Ogier the Dane and Huon of Bordeaux from Charlemagne's court
Blaise (Merlin's tutor)
Vortigern

Not to mention that he's also visited the destruction of Pompeii, the downfall of Atlantis, the destruction of Nagasaki, and probably a few other events as well that I can't quite recall at the moment. Talk about well-travelled.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, May 4, 2001 08:18:23 AM
IP: sdn-ar-001mosloup116.dialsprint.net

Kit- Brooklyn HAS met Napoleon. Met his brother too in fact. He met Joseph Bonaparte in "Ruby Eyes", and there he mentioned having run into Napoleon before. So its not a matter of him running into him, its showing when he did...
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 08:10:48 AM
IP: dialin-116-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*Enters girded with a giant daiper, just for Lain*

So last night, I decide to get up early today so that I can talk to Lain in the morning. Then (due to a variety of factors) I end up still awake at 5 am, and decide to set the alarm clock to 9am instead of 8. At 9am, not only do I sleep through the alarm (located two feet from my head, and VERY load), but my mother comes in, SWITCHES THE ALARM OFF, and procedes to talk to Lain HERSELF! o.O
We got a problem here...

On to replies!

Aaron><<I'm a little new at this Admin thing, and I'd like opinions. Am I over reacting? Am I being a prick?>> I'd give you about an 9.0 on the whole admin thingy... <> Link?
<<About the second time I drove it I was like "FEAR ME MORTALS! Out of my way before I run you over, for I have an SUV! Kneel before Zodd!" Stuff like that.>> (Horse)Power corrupts. Really though, I get pretty much the same sensation using Jeff's Mossberg.
<<So, should we have a big wake, with lots of scantily clad women, catnip, and a pinata shaped like Janet Reno?>> Sounds like a plan to ME! <<I'm sure that works too, but you gotta go with what you have, ne?>> Too true. I need that Heavyweight Softair Berretta... <<A Fish Called Wanda?>> No. That would have been the "Vulgarian" quote. <<I'll have to check, but I believe so.>> Ever seen that wonderful little sign that reads something like:
WARNING
Private property!
If you are found here tonight
You will be found here tomorrow morning
; )
<<It's a place of history, a place of myth and legend, sometimes with the latter and the former combined.>> An excellent description! *claps* <<Hmmm, how �bout you guys pick me up on the way through Texas, and I'll hang with you �til we hit NYC. What say?>> You're gonna abandon a fellow Texan to the rabid New Yorkers with only a jerseyite for backup? o.O

Revel><<right wing? Why settle for that when you can have two wings!>> Never seen Sephiroth? *cue "One-Winged Angel"*

Lynati "Corleone" Kshudra><<*glances at Val, mumbles something about soapy frogs, sawdust, her current wax project, and left-over chicken wire*>> Chiken.... wire? o.O <<Gunjack "the EGYPTIANS got screwed over?" Valentine>> Define "screwed". ; ) <<What? you don't want to see me modeling my special wax-hand-casting-turned-bikini project pics?>> Well, I AM a little worried about certian forms of retribution... Don't you remember the whole mess with the CW/HD pic? <<Aww. and here I was gonna promise to edit out my face so you wouldn't have godfather-related dreams...Oh, well.>> I. Said. It. Was. The. Pic. Res. Not. YOU! *sighs* ...I'm gonna be paying for that one for a long time, aren't I? <<...only people who ever attempt to play boob-tag with you ("No tags back!!") are ones that you have known for at least two years...>> You can relax now. I'd like to keep my hands in their current, fully functional state for a while, yet... : P <<and you're exempt from that, anyway.>> Nothing to tag? <<And...are you SURE? I think you'd look GREAT in a leather corset! I can probly lend you mine; the cords can be let out long enough to...what? "no"?...*>> You actually might have talked me into it (yes, I really AM insane... ; )), except that Lain strongly disapproves. So no corset for YOU.

Lain - What, no soda for ME? o.O <<how in the world does THAT work?>> Heh. We once postulated that, assuming Reincarnation existed and wasn't bound by limits of time, it would logically follow that there is actually only ONE person. So right now, you're actually talking to yourself. <> Keep talking like that, and Santa's gonna put cucumbers in yer stalking... <<i believe we were arguing about the stupidity of your *idiot* president and his moronic idea of building a defence shield which will anger a great many nations with nuclear capability and begin a new arms race that the world REALLY doesnt need..>> Responce in the Arguement Clinic... ; ) <<who really *IS* running your country.. THATS what i wanna know..>> Um, President Bush? o.O ...And what're these files? <<..sit around on your butt all day and play delta force?? well.. um.. not to be rude but.. isnt that what you do EVERY day?>> Actually, most days I spend talking to you and Lyn. ; )
<<dont you remember the "hey dude.. you have a BATHTUB over here.." comment i made oh so inapropriately that one day?>> Oh, THOSE bathtubs... *chuckles* ...Naw, I knew what you were talking about. <> Ain't it great? ; ) <<..*thinks about that for a moment, then collapses into a violent shudder at THAT tasty thought..>> Gee, now I feel all GUILTY... : P ...Do you have to put him back together? He'll regenerate on his own, y'know... : / <<"they say that absence makes the heart grow fungus">> ...Is that where those fried mushrooms came from? o.O

Imzadi><<Yesterday, I had THIS interesting thought...>> Good point. Who do you want to be president if you're an aspiring software designer? <<It is my understanding that it is legal to shoot tresspassers in Texas. Is that true?>> I don't think so. Generally, you have to believe that your life is in danger before you can fire. <<If I lived in Texas, I'm sure it'd be closer to 93.5633653245%.>> You fail to achieve enlightenment, grasshopper... To arrive in Texas, you must open your heart, and empty your mind of this "Ell Ay". Meditate on this. <<Remove "in my life" and you have a sentence about me!>> Whyever not? o.O <> Heh. Point. <<Well, you said "wrong" a few times and "right" or "rights" about a million times, so "left" seemed the only logical response.>> See my quote from last night. ; ) <<There's a difference between a girl who's into "macho" sorts of things and a "butch" girl.>> Calling Ravyn "Butch"? *chuckles* <<That's because you're generation's parents were on ACID.>> You may have a point there... <<Also supports dual (or quad) rack mounted spud cannons.>> ooOOOoo!! That'll work too! <<Nope, and I doubt you will.>> You're a republican? <> Otherwise known as cow dung. We use the dried stuff for frisbees here, on occasion... ; ) *wonders how much he can scare Josh...* <<That's odd, sounds like communism to me.>> There's a difference?
<> You mean you won't be joining us? o.O <> Lemme just say, it has to do with blackmailing the vatican. <> My typing skills (or lack thereof) are historic. :P <<When I discovered TGS, I read all four series in their entirety in just a month. I eat this stuff up. I love it and the work you guys do.>> I'm not sure if that beat my record or not, but considering that I had about four seasons' worth less to read...

Gside><<Because they've been falling out of trees every day and have a headache?>> ASnd a hangover would improve that...? <> Thank goodness. The last thing I need just now would be to wake up and find I'm more hentai than Warpmind. <<Using various permutations of my name, I was a magician, the Pahroah, or the Pharoah's dog (and was killed when he died).>> See, here's my theory. I think that Wilek, Warps, you, and I were ALL the pharaoh, and that the soul merely split four ways after his death. Makes sense, eh?
<<Because I don't have it. It didn't really appeal to me.>> Ah well, different squids for different kids... <> I like Chinese too, when they aren't fomenting international strife... <> Not really, no. It'd be nice, though... ; ) <<No, the bit's called Kasparov vs. Deep Blue, the album is called Live Noise.>> Ah. Well, it seems Moxy was on Napster's Little List. *grumbles about jerk music companies* <<Let's. But which three states? How about the three most populated?>> Deal. But let's get one thing strait; I'm Halley, got it? <> DAHLING!!! <<...and you'd own half of everything.>> How does that work? From the patents? <<What do you take me for, a poli sci?>> Eh? <<We gave the school girls uniforms with short plaid skirts.>> God bless you, sir! <> Good point. Doesn't she usually go with the white shirt/green vest/plaid skirt/dryer sheet ensamble?
<<Only if you have the cat o' nine tails and nun's habit.>> Y'know, Jersey isn't THAT far from NYC, is it? Wanna join us for RHPS? ; ) <<More than should be unleashed on mortal minds.>> I know! *LYNATI* is further in the serieses than I am, and she's only been reading for a few months!!
<<But if it's hypnotic covered, I'd think the distraction would remain if uncovering were common.>> Gside, m'man, I don't know how to explain this.
The "*Boing* Factor" isn't, uh, a female thing. Okay? *is trying REALLY hard to suppress hysterical laughter*
<<You'd think it'd be easy.>> You would think. But for some reason (probably that gerbil story from oh so long ago), I've always connected that word with MAMMALS. <<We might have to worry less if we made a habit of dropping duds near random heads of state.>> Sounds like a plan to me! :D

Pistoff><<If Al Capone were alive today, that's the kind of car he would drive.>> Yeah, or Bonnie and Clyde! ...What was the downside? o.O <<...and here this guy just plops down $20 million and gets a ride to the space station.>> I hadn't heard anything about this, but...
What's the problem? Just because many people (like you and me) can't achieve their dreams, why should that stop us from persuing them? If, by some miracle, I DO manage to create a lucrative software company, why shouldn't I be able to go after my dreams with the money I aquire? The lad made a pile of money, and so he bought a dream. *shrugs* ...I hope to do the same some day.
Oh, and congrats on the palmtop and the Finger. ; )

Azreal><<Actually, stereotyping is something we cant avoid. It has to do with the ways we communicate with each other.>> An EXCELLENT point. And welcome back. ; ) *tosses him a bottle o' the best (IBC).

SJ><<Gunjack: I find your stereotyping of all geeks as John Cleese fans to be offensive. I don't find it funny at all. I expect a full apology. You and I both know that you should give me one.>> I didn't live to the grand old age of 18 by stepping into a dogfight.

Doug><<Gay is two+ men in a sexual act- that's what disgusts and befuddles me. Lesbian I have little problem with. I know I'm not the only guy in the world who feels this way either- far from it.>> Logically, this is TOTAL bull puckey. It's also (as the Male Fantasy discussion illuminated) totally true. Which, when you get right to it, is REALLY weird.
<<Does anyone in here appreciate that kind of joke?>> You mean when one of the two (can't remember which) said that only gay people listened to Savage Garden? I thought it was funny as heck, actually... And yes, I AM something of a Savage Garden fan (hence today's tagline). Same thing as Josh's continued grudge against Texas. *shrugs* Really, I think you AND SJ are acting rather immaturely. I still like both of ya, but it's like listening to your siblings fighting. : P

Kirshanta><<Sticking to the subject of Gargoyles is still not your forte I see. Ah well - How the mighty have fallen.>> Excuse me, ma'am, but not all of us are warring. Some of us simply wish to have polite discussion, whether on gargoyles or on geopolitics. I agree that the fighting is rediculous, but surely you could find a better way to object than by condemning the noncombatants?
And as to "The Gargoyles dream that was"... I think you're wrong. I spend about four hours a night discussing fics with Lynati, who I wouldn't have MET if it weren't for the off-topic banter in here. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, eh?

Greg B><<They shouldn't have put him in jail, he was providing a valuable service to people. If people are suffering and in pain, they should be allowed to end it.>> You assume that death is preferable to living with pain. To which I ask, where should the line be drawn?
<<With the new season of Timedancer closely approaching, what would you all like to see? What do you expect to see? What do you not want to see?>> Much more of the characters growing and developing in a single place. IMO, the weaker episodes are usually those where the author has to introduce an entirely new world AND try to tell the story, all at the same time. Also, Even the best setting is crippled if the writer simply doesn't have enough time to explore it fully. And I'd like to see some of the distinct locations (ancient egypt, the colony, future earth, etc) explored in more detail, rather than simply starting afresh. Though I WOULD like to see Sata in the Wild West... ; ) <<One more question. How many people in here even read TGS?>> Now, or ever? I was totally caught up for a while, but then I fell WAAAAAAY behind because of Real Life (the physical state, not the web comic). I'm hoping to catch up some time soon.

Spacebabie><<If Xanatose developed Gundams how wil the clan react?>> I doubt they'd react much at all. I mean, he's already got the SC and Coyote, right? It's not much of a step up, is it?

Kryryn><<The quarters were a bit cramped when I used the Saturn in a Shadowrun game and had my passenger crawl through the back seat of the Saturn and pop up out of the trunk with the Browning 50-cal.>> *Sings* Did you ever know that you're my hero/ And everything I want to be...
: P
The one time I tried using a .50 in a game, it was a sniping rifle (like the barret, but more so). And when the *20 HEAVILY-ARMED SOLDIERS* kicked in the door to my perch, I made the mistake of switching to my needler. : P *still hasn't lived that one down*
<<Of course, in real life, my Saturn got hit by a Jeep Grand Wagoneer about two years ago and the Saturn came out of it with less damage. *grin* I like my little car!>> Niiiiiiice! How big is this Saturn? *is totally car-inept*
*****************ARGUEMENT CLINIC******************

Imzadi><<Now if 4 or 5 consecutive generations decided not to be teachers, we'd have a problem.>> What if they did? Would it be moral to essentially enslave a million or two so that the kids could be educated? And if education is an inalienable right, why do we pay people to dispense it? You don't pay for something that already should be yours, do you?
<<My pursuit of happiness IS more important than theirs :-P>> Logically, that statement either makes you the Ubermensche, or wrong. ; )

<<But that doesn't mean that murder is objectively wrong.>> Indeed it doesn't. What we THINK of murder has nothing at all to do with what it IS. <<Objective implies that everyone does, always has, and always will agree with it.>> Incorrect. It means that murder was, is, and always will BE wriong, REGARDLESS of what people think of it. Either murder IS or ISN'T wrong; our opinions on the subject can't change that reality. <<If you were raised in 12th century England, you wouldn't think that "free speech" was an inalienable human right.>> This is true; but again, my opinion would make no difference. What matters is whether or not the Right's *EXISTENCE* could be logically demonstrated, even in 12th century England. I think it can be, first by proving that all men are equal, and then by examining the justifications for the supression of one man's thoughts by another.
<<Whoa there. The answer is subjective. But you're stretching what I've said a bit.>> Indeed I am. My bad. <<According to the way I was raised, in the society I was raised in, it would be wrong, from my point of view, to murder gays. Some KKK idiot in bumsville...texas...might disagree with me.>> So, you and I think that it's wrong, and the KKK man thinks it's right. So what do we DO when he starts stringing up gays? If our morals are subjective, then there's no real reason to interfere with his activity. Stringing up gays is exactly as moral as NOT stringing up gays, so what does it matter either way? The gays certianly don't enjoy the experience, but the Klansman DOES. Hence, the siuation is morally nuetral, at the worst.
On the other hand, we COULD recognize that we have no real obligation to *respect* the KKK man's views, so we might decide to head down to Bumsville to stop him simply because we WANT to. At this point, morality is replaced by force; Might literally becomes Right.
<<Yeah, pretty much.>> You're willing to accept a world with no Rule of Law? Where the ultimate moral principle is "Can we get away with it"? If so, you're braver than I.
<<Four words, dude: Los Angeles Police Department.>> And you're saying that, in the grand scheme of things, this is the way it SHOULD be? That if you had the power to, you wouldn't change anything?

Which brings us to the last point...

<<Whoa, I wasn't saying that I think that murder is incredibly immoral... but I'm NOT going to go into the hows and whys and we're not going to talk about it because I won't answer any questions you have about it.>> O.O ...Whoa. Josh, you may be the first intellectually honest subjectivist I've come across. Don't you DARE leave me hanging like that! :D <<Fine by me. Arguing with you about morality will only serve to make me look EXTREMELY bad in the eyes of everyone else in here.>> I got news for you, laddie... "Everyone Else" has no kick coming. I'd say better than half of the CR would agree with you about morality being subjective. If they do, then they should see where that statement logically leads, ne'? If they disagree with your premise, let them prove you wrong. If they agree with your basic premise and can't disprove your conclusions, then they have no right to complain. But don't wimp out just because people might get uncomfertable. ; )

Lain><<i believe we were arguing about the stupidity of your *idiot* president and his moronic idea of building a defence shield which will anger a great many nations with nuclear capability and begin a new arms race that the world REALLY doesnt need..>> Congratulations. You're now a member of the clinic. ; )
A short distance off the coast of China is a little nation called Taiwan. It is a small, peacefull, democratic country that poses no more threat to China's national security than Cuba does to the US. Yet China has pointed more than *500* short-range ballistic and land-attack cruise missles at them, and that number is constantly increasing. In addition, they've stolen nuclear secrets from the US, and have arguably interfered with our political system. All of these actions are highly aggressive, no?
And you think we should stop trying to counter their aggression because it might make them angry? What should we do? Wait for them to nuke Taiwan when their invasion goes south? They WANT that country, and they don't understand that no means NO. Taiwan has asked us to sell them Aegis cruisers (the closest thing we have to a true missle defense system), and we haven't because we "don't want to anger the Chinese". If China invades Taiwan, should we let them rape a free country because we "don't want to anger them"? Considering what they stand for, I'm a little hacked at Bush for not pissing them off WORSE.
Oh, and about the spyplane. It WAS in international airspace; check the name link. ; )

I feel cleansed.

**********************END ARGUEMENT CLINIC******************

Well, that's it. I'll just hang around on the net while I play DF, and wait for Lain or another post from Imzy or some such. In case I don't have time for another post, I'll see ya all week after next, k?

And a parting thought for our verbal gladiators.

"Keep your words soft and sweet. You never know when you may have to eat them."
-Unknown
Gunjack "To the Moon and Back" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 08:06:14 AM
IP: ac9b52da.ipt.aol.com

(Moment of silence for the Rev.)

So, should we have a big wake, with lots of scantily clad women, catnip, and a pinata shaped like Janet Reno?

Gunjack> <<popping the clip of an auto in and out, in and out...>> I'm sure that works too, but you gotta go with what you have, ne? <<No leather bodice for me>> Oh good. I do so hate it when someone else and I have on the same outfit. <<Quote>> A Fish Called Wanda?

Lynati> <<ROTFGM>> WTF? <<coating it with liquid-hot wax more often. and more hand casts..>> Yes, hot wax has soooo many uses... (Evil Laughter)

SJ> <<you're assuming that I read everything everyone in here says, and also that I remember half of what happened in here at any given point in time.>> WHAT?!? You don't?!? You mean you really don't read every last word ever posted here and archive it to memory? I thought everyone did. ;) (Fair enough, neither do I. But I try to remember major things)

SJ, Doug> Could you two do this by email? It's sort of disrespectful to Attila's memory to argue right now.

Josh> <<legal to shoot tresspassers in Texas. Is that true?>> I'll have to check, but I believe so. <<You just SO set yourself up to be insulted>> How so? I was serious. You have to understand, Texas is more then real estate with valuable black stuff under it. It's a place of history, a place of myth and legend, sometimes with the latter and the former combined. Texas is an icon, a place that captures the popular imagination, and occupies a certain, special place in the hearts and minds of millions. Oh, and I should mention that I *want* my mom to get the Cruiser, so I can borrow it. I think they're cool looking, and they've got plenty of make-out space in the back. Nearly as good as a limo... <<What a JACK>> That's kind of the point. I just noticed I left the heading off the summary. It was supposed to read: New Disney Movie in 2004! <> Just brick Sh!thouses, right? << has anyone seen>> Actually, Outlaw Star and Big O are two separate, and quite different, shows. Both are on CN right now, and both have their merits. Outlaw Star has one of, if not the, best catgirls in all anime. Big O has what might be the only emotionless girl that's creepier the Rei Ayanami.

Gside> Then Miki, definitely. She was lots less mean. <<How about the three most populated?>> California, Texas, and New York. Hmmm, how �bout you guys pick me up on the way through Texas, and I'll hang with you �til we hit NYC. What say?

Spike> If you're at the art show, I'm sure we'll meet up eventually.

Greg <<How many people actually>> Well, as long as my other persona is on staff... Actually, I'm still somewhere in the last season of Dark Ages. Hopefully, summer will let me catch up on a great many things.

Spacebabie> <<If Xanatose developed Gundams>> Well, who do you think built Epion in the first place? ;)

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, May 4, 2001 06:13:21 AM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Silly me. I sleep for 12 hours, and I expect only a few posts to respond to. I won't make THAT mistake again.

Gside: <<You can never hang out with too many engineers>>: You're still a virgin, aren't you? ;-). <<Most engineers are good geeks>>: So true. That's how you can tell a true engineer from someone who just has engineer in their job title. <<You must be faster Danielsan>>: Workin on it, sensei. <>: Yeah, and you happened to be right. <<Because they've been falling out of trees every day>>: Close, but no. <<How about the three most populated>>: I nominate the following states: California, Florida, and West Virginia. Just tell me when so I can get out of CA. <>: Okay, so if I still marry for money, does that mean that she's marrying ME for money? God, I hate golddiggers. <<What do you take me for, a poli sci?>>: LOL. <<Only if you have the cat o' nine tails and nun's habit>>: I don't wanna know, dude. <>: Well, I was trying to make 32x32 icons (variants of my OS 9 icons) for windows, which wouldn't just be shrunken versions of the full sized icons. They'd be faces, etc. Unfortunately, this has failed. <<You build the silos>>: Something like that. <<it was the Baron's cat>>: I got that. What I want to know is how everyone knew him so well?

Pistoff: <<does *anybody* who drives an SUV ever use the 4WD?>>: I use 4WD on my jeep about once a year. But I use it to haul stuff all the time (illegal immigrants, cocaine, etc). <<too many people turn into bullies>>: I have the attitude of a bully while driving my truck, but I rarely act on my @$$-holeish desires. <<The sooner those things are banned, the better>>: I agree. <<The things are just fugly>>: Yet their appeal to the public is unbelievable. <<this guy just plops down $20 million>>: You're just bitter cuz YOU don't have 20 million. <<an eight-inch fist with its middle finger extended>>: That is AWESOME! How'd you find that on ebay? <>: Its either that or learn Palm's graffiti language. <<Dell Inspiron notebooks>>: Just another example of Apple leading the computer industry with innovation, with everyone else years behind. Apple's 5300-series laptops had flaming batteries YEARS ago!

****ARGUMENT CLINIC (SORTA)*******
Azreal: Okay, look, I don't wanna totally bash you on this, and I'm not saying I don't respect your opinions. Nor am I saying I think you're a moron, cuz you obviously articulate your opinions very well. However, with all due respect, you're a little late for this one. The points you made have already been covered by myself or Gunjack. It IS possible to walk a middle ground, but I don't think that Gunjack or I are doing that. I'm saying that morality is subjective (changes from person to person) and that therefore the rights based on it are subjective. That doesn't mean this is a good way to go about things, its just the way things are done. It paints a bleak picture, as Gunjack says, but its the case nonetheless.

It also appears from your statement that you didn't spend much time reading the arguments that we made. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but that's just how it appears.

But I sincerely hope you can join the next argument.
*******END ARGUMENT CLINIC (SORTA)******

Jaden: <<if you say that CA is normal and boring>>: I wouldn't be insulted, but I'd look at the person as if they were an idiot (because they would be).

Gunjack: <<GEEK! Any true GEEK!>>: I was SO about to pin you for that! 8-)

SJ: <<stereotyping of all geeks as John Cleese fans>>: Um, isn't it in the definition of "geek" that they must be a john cleese fan?

Spacebabie: <<Chemistry, Bio or Physics>>: Physics all the way, followed by Chemistry and Bio. I have a great memory, but there's just too much to know in Biology to make it enjoyable. Nothing can be derived from anything else. Not like physics, where its all really algebra. Chemistry is cool cuz you can blow sh*t up. But disections get boring after the first three frogs. <<If Xanatose developed Gundams how wil the clan react?>>: He already did, though on a much smaller scale. Its called his exo-frame. Now, if your question is what would happen if he developed something BIG...well, I don't think they'd be too impressed/happy. But they've come to accept the fact that both he and Demona are weapons manufacturers, so I doubt they do much bitching.

Speaking of Gundams, has anyone seen that show "Outlaw Star"? I saw an ad for it, and it seems the big robot is named "Big O". Does that sound wrong to anyone else?

Greg: <<we did this in my Chem class last year>>: In my chem class last year, our Prof blew something up (intentionally) during every lecture. It ruled. <<Coffee Table of Peace>>: I need cappuchino for my bunghole! 8-) <<who reads TGS>>: Oh, don't even start with my dedication to TGS. When I discovered TGS, I read all four series in their entirety in just a month. I eat this stuff up. I love it and the work you guys do.

What would I like to see for Timedancer? There's so much to cover in the last season. Definitely the episode where they pick up Nudnik. I'd like to see more interaction in WWII, possibly in the pacific theater. How about a horror episode where Brooklyn watches the wyvern massacre? That might be interesting. I'd like to see more of the "resurrecting Apep" theme, and definitely more of gwen. I don't really care much about the Space Spawn, but if they're gonna show up then you're gonna need several episodes devoted to development, conflict, and resolution. And somewhere in there, I'd like to find out why Alexander Xanatos is still alive and well in 2158 (and maybe meet his wife?). I'm kinda tired of Meryt, she's been done to death. I think she showed up in 10 episodes so far (at least), which is much more than any character in Timedancer (other than Brooklyn, Sata, or the kids) should reasonably have. The POINT of the series, to my understanding, is that he travels all across time and space, and that means that he shouldn't encounter the same person that many times. I like spacebabie's idea about meaning DaVinci. Meeting historical villians (Hitler, etc) just doesn't hold that much appeal for me, nor do I think it would make a particularly good episode. Yeah, there's a conflict about trying to stop the villian, time stream, etc. Yawn. A wild west episode might be fun, though.

Kirshanta: I have bad news for you. We're people. Real-life people. Gargoyles, though a wonderful show and responsible for numerous amazing stories that I love, is NOT real life. As for sticking to the subject of gargoyles, what would you have us talk about? The non-existant TGS episodes or constant b*tching about how our local stations don't broadcast the show? When there's gargoyles stuff to talk about, we do. But you have to remember that we're all friends in here, and friends don't just talk about one hobby, even if they're unified by that hobby in the first place.

Revel: <<not the more... physical kind>>: Uh huh. Sure.

When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".
- Linus Torvalds

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, May 4, 2001 04:28:23 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-155-64.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

oh yeah, almost forgot:

"I just got back from walking home after seeing _THE MUMMY RETURNS_.

.|--niiice Apep. :)
\/
Rodlox
Friday, May 4, 2001 03:17:33 AM
IP: proxy3-external.owml1.md.home.com

**SPOILERS FOR _THE MUMMY RETURNS_**

*I'm still not sure if those midgets were Human, Chimpanzee, or something Else.

*Its actually a shame those Anubi {anubuses?} never fully reconstituted themselves.

*"I am your servant!" ahh yes - Egyptian politics in action.

*You know, there was an actual myth about a centaur-like creature with scorpion in place of horse...but the Scorpion King's arrangement - though a surprise - actually makes sense! {and it's nice to see a flattened pincer: an imperfection}.

*You know, I actually feel sorry for Imhotep in this one. First, we see his paternal attitude towards a boy not his own...then we see his fate {which about made me cry}. I hope he's back for _The Mummy 3_!

*And the moral of this story, folks, is - NEVER EVER go to an oasis!!!

**END SPOILERS**

Rodlox
Friday, May 4, 2001 03:16:15 AM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

Sad farewell to Rev. Attila, condolences to G.B. on the loss.

Survivor > I think the single truly finest moment for me was when Jerri, thinking to confront them on how rotten and deceitful they'd been, got it thrown right back in her face. Brilliantly done on the part of Tina! She deserved the mil just for that ; ) I love the huge difference between the entire feel of this one as opposed to last time. When Rich won out over Kelly, it was vicious-cheering-vindication chez Morgan. This time, it was "awwww!" and we would have been happy enough either way.

Book News > am off to Kennewick again this weekend to finish up recording Black Roses. The latest from RAP is startling but good -- Silversilk is already in edits and aiming for a September release! As in _this_ September. When they said maybe before the end of the year I was thinking Dec., so this is boggling. Funny how, though I've spent the past ten years struggling, it suddenly feels all at once.

Sabledrake > look for the new issue on Monday, with many great stories and a ton of cool art! The August theme will be 'villainy,' and submissions are welcome!

And speaking of deadlines > the Summer issue of Avalon Mists is still looking for fics, pics, filks, poems, character spotlights, Challenge entries, and good stuff like that. Send 'em my way by the 31st of May!

Plus, don't forget those entries for the Gathering 2001 writing contests!

Hmm, what else can I nag about? ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:45:30 AM
IP: 09-061.075.popsite.net

Condolences on Rev Attilda's death.

Internet Explorer has been playing tricks on me about NOT visiting web sites every once in a while.

Somehow, I was disconnected today while surfin' the 'net. For no apparant reason.

Imzadi - Have I mentioned that I had a very hard time getting him to take a check from me to cover my driver's insurance? I repeat myself: I would gladly pay him rent if he asked, if it would get him off my back. Heck, I'm sure renters have more rights [and responsibilities] than I have living under my dad.

But wait, there's more. Since my dad is a contractor, I can pay him to build my home and hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you get the picture, right?

Brooklyn, yahoo groups has been acting up lately.

That's all. Gotta cook today.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:22:01 AM
IP: max1-46.cwy.cei.net

****Kyryn drops into the room and walks over to a little-used rack of votary candles in the corner. She lights one for Reverend Attila, then holds up a glass of red wine. "To a most confounding and contrary cat --- Reverend Attila."****

Gunjack><<SUVs - I honestly couldn't care less. Though the enclosed passenger compartment DOES make concealing a r/c heavy gun somewhat easier...>> Yeah, it probably would be. The quarters were a bit cramped when I used the Saturn in a Shadowrun game and had my passenger crawl through the back seat of the Saturn and pop up out of the trunk with the Browning 50-cal. Heh, heh. We blew away the orcs pursuing us, though, and didn't get the car too badly damaged.

Of course, in real life, my Saturn got hit by a Jeep Grand Wagoneer about two years ago and the Saturn came out of it with less damage. *grin* I like my little car!

TGS Timedancer stuff> Sata in the Wild West? Shades of Toshiro Mifune and Jackie Chan! I can see where there would be many opportunities. A lot of the fun would depend on where in the west she was. The Wild West Era encompassed many years and a lot of territory.

Later, All!

**** Kyryn wings out of the room.****

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:07:22 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

I do read TGS I read all of the main series plus three of the spinoffs. I'm now starting Dark ages

Hopes for TGS>>>> Well I don't want to see them do any traveling until the twins age a bit. Maybe for the first half Sata could Time Dance on her own.
Love to see some more Meryt also want to see the reconsiliation between Gwen and Angela.

Historical Events
Boxer Rebellions
Civil War
Renisansse
And I think it would be great if they met up with Leonardo Da Vinci. It would be interesting if a gargoyle was the inspiration for his flying machine.

Gargoyle discussions>>>YEs we still do discuss them but not All the time.
Here is a gargoyle related discussion to get thins rolling. If Xanatose developed Gundams how wil the clan react?
Spacebabie
Friday, May 4, 2001 12:06:29 AM
IP: user-37kap0h.dialup.mindspring.com

Timedancer Hopes: All that Doug mentioned, also possibly an episode or two of Brooklyn meeting up with more of history's greatest villains and heroes. Jason and the Argonauts, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, George Washington, Gandhi, Richard III, so many possibilities. :)
Kit
Thursday, May 3, 2001 11:40:52 PM
IP: pool-63.52.170.209.dlls.grid.net

I have presentation in two hours so I'll be quick.

Imzadi- mounting as in glueing pieces of work to a mat board not the more... physical kind.

Pissoff- 4WD you've never been mudding have you :)
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, May 3, 2001 11:40:04 PM
IP: ac98daf9.ipt.aol.com

New Timedancer Hopes: A slower pace. More Harthoth and Isfet. The Space Spawn, if they're really coming onto the scene in the future. More Gwenyvere. More development on the future clans. Meryt in the future, if she's still around. Brooklyn and Sata facing dinosaurs, real ones. Sata in the Wild West. And maybe an episode in Ancient China where they pick up Nudnik for the season finale.
Doug
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:55:49 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.95.dlls.grid.net

Last post for now.

One more question. How many people in here even read TGS?
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:44:54 PM
IP: bess5.lhric.org

Kirshanta> I agree with you quite a bit. This CR was founded so people could discuss TGS, and while it may not have survived without the off-topic conversations also, it should still first and foremost, a TGS Comment Room.

So I put forward this question instead for those of those in here who actually read TGS instead of just come in here and rant.

With the new season of Timedancer closely approaching, what would you all like to see? What do you expect to see? What do you not want to see?
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:41:08 PM
IP: bess5.lhric.org

Doug> ::Nod:: Well, every now and then we were able to go outside on the football field and set off the explosives we made. Nothing earthshattering, there were limits as to what we were allowed to do after all. Still was fun.

Now, something controversal to take everyone's minds off the current flames/topic. Something inspired by the most recent episode of "That's My Bush"

What about that Jack Kevorkian. They shouldn't have put him in jail, he was providing a valuable service to people. If people are suffering and in pain, they should be allowed to end it.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:35:55 PM
IP: bess5.lhric.org

** Kirshanta enters and looks around at the clans forming in each corner of the CR **

Well, I can see nothing has changed. Its quite unfortunate that such a wondeful show as Gargoyles, with such a faithful following, and with such great stories as the ones in TGS must have as its CR a group of people who INSIST on forever sparking up wars based on words and subjects never to be found in the very show they so revere.

You speak of sanity in a bottle - I would call it insanity.

Sticking to the subject of Gargoyles is still not your forte I see. Ah well - How the mighty have fallen.

** Kirshanta takes flight, one tear falling into the wind, a testament to the Gargoyles dream that was...
Kirshanta
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:29:25 PM
IP: g68-99.citenet.net

Pistoff: <Kit doing women> Uh, that's lesbian stuff, not gay. I consider there to be a difference. Gay is two+ men in a sexual act- that's what disgusts and befuddles me. Lesbian I have little problem with. I know I'm not the only guy in the world who feels this way either- far from it. And to me, SJ's joke was not obvious. I'm not very good at getting jokes at my expense, true, but I still don't appreciate them. Does anyone in here appreciate that kind of joke? <looks around>

Jaden: Thanks for your support. <SUVs> People want to drive them, they have the right. I just hope they'll remember to do it responsibly and safely.

Shinigami: Great eulogy for Atilla. <sniffs>

GXB: Your chemistry class sounds funner than mine. We could work with acid and fireballs, but not explosives. :( Oh well.
Doug
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:27:07 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.48.dlls.grid.net

Spacebabie> Oh, chemistry is definetly the most fun, especially when you use chemicals to make giants balls of fire, flesh eating acid, and learn how you could make bombs.

And yes, we did this in my Chem class last year. Lots of fun was had by all.

::Takes a seat at the Tea Table of Peace:: Ugh I hate tea, let's rename it the Coffee Table of Peace.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:23:59 PM
IP: bess5.lhric.org

Sorry for the double post, but could someone please explain why the clock is 12 hours fast?
Spacebabie
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:01:15 PM
IP: user-37kap0h.dialup.mindspring.com

Enters wearing black followed by her cats

Waaaaaaahhhh. Reverend Atilla. You made me smile you made me laugh You were a grand old Cat. I shall miss...I'm sure Snowflake will befriend you in Kitty Heaven.

GB>>>My Condolences.

Incantations of immortality? I;ve read those as well. I also read the Apprentice Adept tales. Those were great..

Reincarantor
Fullname= The Pahroh's Bitca((And by this I mean female dog))
First name=Seamstress. I was the best Darn Semastress of all of Egypt..Married had six kids..well seven, nearly died in childbirth but I was miraculously saved.

Nickname=Judge. I was a gambling bribe taking dispensor of justice, until I was murdered and my murder was set free after bribing another judge.

Survivor=Although I was rooting for Colby I am glad that Tina did win. I liked her she was a decent person...unlike that jerk Richard. Also glad that Jerri didn't win or her Remorah.

Now for the science debate...wich is better Chemistry, Bio or Physics. I'm a big fan of Biology myself.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Thursday, May 3, 2001 09:55:14 PM
IP: user-37kap0h.dialup.mindspring.com

Gunjack: I find your stereotyping of all geeks as John Cleese fans to be offensive. I don't find it funny at all.

I expect a full apology. You and I both know that you should give me one.

Wink, wink.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 09:46:40 PM
IP: 66-44-62-22.s22.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Green Baron>> My condolences on Saint Attila... I know that it's only a matter of time for my old lady cat Nyssa so I know how your feel.

Aaron/Robby>> I'll be up at A-kon a majority of the time, mostly hanging around the art show. I'm not staying at the hotel since it's only 20 minutes up LBJ. *laughs* Which is a good thing because if I leave my males alone long enough, all kinds of chaos occurs! A-kon will be restful!
Spike
Thursday, May 3, 2001 09:46:12 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-85.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

*looks on, in indignant shock, at the mourners for her favorite hentai kitty.*

Attila? Dead?

*visibly shaken* no, he can't be dead... *shakes herself out of it, and speaks the only way she knows how. Firmly and from the heart.*

No. Not our kitty. His sweet furry body may have been vacated, his soul hightailed it to parts unknown, but our good Reverend lives on.

He lives on in the memories of the frequenters of this comment room. He lives on, a dangerously cute cocktail of politics and religion and pretty girl chasing.

Attila was and will always be a good kitty, and one I was proud to MiST with. Like just the other day, when he hit on Angie-chan and she punted him across the room. Well, Attila just shook his cute whiskered head and headed right back to his spot, hitting on Angie-chan to his heart's content. Our Attila was never a quitter.

No, Attila will never die. Somewhere, where the catnip is hot and the rhetoric flows free as watered down Coronas.. Attila is watching us and thinking to himself...

"Meow baby. Meow".

Green Baron, thanks for letting us know your cat.

*walks out stiffy, unwilling to let herself get choked up.*

Shinigami - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 09:45:10 PM
IP: 143.55.129.219

GEEK! Any true GEEK!! Sheesh, but I'll bet I catch some flack for THAT one... : P
Gunjack "Chastened" Valentine
Thursday, May 3, 2001 03:45:21 PM
IP: ac8dc504.ipt.aol.com

Two things.

GB - Condolences on The Reverend... :|

Gside - The quote is from Sneakers. Try something a little more difficult. Why not...

"Left, right?
Right.
Okay, right then.
NO! LEFT!!!"

If yer gonna pick trivia, get the obscure stuff... Though it IS a John Cleese movie, so any TRUE gook should know the answer... ; )
Gunjack "Hilarity" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 03:44:08 PM
IP: ac8dc504.ipt.aol.com

Jaden- Actually, stereotyping is something we cant avoid. It has to do with the ways we communicate with eachother. Every time I see someone I don't know, the first thing I do is stereotype them. As I get to know more about him/her, that stereotype changes, and continues to change as I get to know him/her up to the point a stereotype no longer fits. What is wrong about stereotyping is not the act itself, but the failure to re-evaluate people as stuff you learn should change your oppinion.
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, May 3, 2001 03:34:06 PM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Been trying to get on-line for a day or two, but AOL stinks! It would seem that my family has only a certain amount of hours that they can use per month and I kinda, sorta used them all up (hee...oh boy) so I had to use another one.

Doug- I consider myself bi and is some guy acted the way you said he did I lay money that I would get into a fight and lose control my temper. I agree, I don't think that what type of music or authors a person likes can determine his or her sexual preference (if they were I'd confuse the hell out of everyone).

Fire Storm- I got your e-mail, I currently run off version 5.0, but when I get a chance I'm upgrading to 6.0. Who knows, that may just take care of the problem all together.

Sterotyping- I'd almost swear that this is some hardwired system in the human brain. Like in the future some high school science teacher will be explaining the brain and will say, "This is the sterotyping portion of the brain, or as it is commonly called the moronous section." People can't help it. I catch myself doing it more often than I'd like to. Usually it just pops in my head and I don't know where it comes from. All I know is that people can't put people in certain groups based on irrelevant data. Saying that everyone who likes cartoons are losers with no lives or People who don't behave exactly like everyone else must be freaks and deserve whatever they get. I hear so much negativity that I believe that all of humanity has no future, but then I catch myself and remember that not everyone is like that.

Sorow- Hurry back, we'll be waiting.

State Pride- For me as a Californian, the only way I can feel insulted is if you say that CA is normal and boring.

SUVs-Planning on getting one myself in the next year or two, I like some parts of a car and a truck, so an SUV seemed like the right choice.

Clear flying Reverend Attila, my condolences to Green Baron.

Ok I'm waiting for the Mummy website to load.........................OK here we go.
First name- Pepy a thief/prisoner whose mind took a hick.
Full name- Heru, the Pharaoh's canine protector. Loyal, beautiful and the envy of every other dog until I was put to sleep at age 12 when the Pharaoh died so that I could serve him in the afterlife. Ok.
Jaden- Dendarah, I embalmed people.
I choose the dog.

Going to sleep now. Later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA
Thursday, May 3, 2001 03:21:51 PM
IP: aca25d62.ipt.aol.com

OOooooooo!!! This should be fun :)!!!
**************ARGUMENT CLINIC*************
Here we go.

As I understand it, you are defining a "right" as something to which everyone has a basic claim, i.e. "life, liberty, ..." These are what you are calling "moral rights."

Using this definition, Gunjack is, mostly, right. You can't walk a middle ground saying this is Right just because it is, and this is right if everyone else says so. If murder is wrong, murder is wrong. If smoking is wrong, smoking is wrong.

On the other hand, there are some thing that have no weight on moral concerns at all. Smoking is one of those things. It's disgusting, it iritates me, and it smell bad, but that does not make it "wrong." It may make you very "happy" but that doesn't make it "right." It's just one of those things.

Still, there are some things that each civilization must decide for itself. America says that all citizens should have the right to own firearms. America says that women have the right to abort within the first 6 months of a pregnancy. America says that you do not have the right to get stoned, high, or whatever using drugs. These are all things that we, because we do accept our rights, give the Government the "right" to decide. If I were to start the United States of Azrael tomorrow (assuming I could get enough people to agree with me...) All of those things would be decided by me as the government. Now all I personally have my own moral ideas about these (which are "right" and "wrong"), other people may have different ones.

In short, the only "moral rights" are those to which we must adhere to be "morally good" to go to Heaven, or whatever your particular religion says. There are, then, some things that just really don't matter, and some things that do matter, but must be decided as close to "case-by-case" as is possible.
************End Argument Clinic************

Man, I was right. That was fun...
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, May 3, 2001 03:03:52 PM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Good way to start off the day: Start up your car and notice a huge cloud of blue smoke farting out of the exhaust pipe. Nice. I have one more payment on the thing, and after that is when the engine will probably blow up. That was several days ago, though, and it's stopped doing that, mostly. So maybe it'll be okay...but I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Jannie: Sorry you're feeling bad about the bathing-suit thing. Personally, I usually don't pay that much attention to somebody's weight unless it's causing health problems or if it's at the point where a person has to be lifted out of bed with a crane. But if you're really feeling bad about it, you might try Metabolife. One of my shift managers started using it about a month ago, and she has gone from "round" to more or less "straight sides." She's really trimmed down a *lot.* I never believed any of that stuff would really work, but I've seen this with my own eyes. I don't know if there are any concerns about somebody who recently had heart surgery using this stuff, so it'd be a good idea to investigate first. But if it's safe for you to take, I'd recommend it. :)

SUV's: Christ, I hate those things. It's more or less a status symbol for yuppies (how many people who buy SUVs actually *use* the 4-wheel drive?...does *anybody* who drives an SUV ever use the 4WD?), and too many people turn into bullies when they start driving 'em. I experience this DAILY--I'm always getting almost run off the road by people driving monster trucks and SUV's...years ago it was mainly monster trucks that did it, but lately those have been fading away and now the majority is SUVs. I've had people driving SUV's turn left in front of me, causing me to hit the brakes and go into a skid; I've had people driving SUV's get behind me and speed up until they're inches away from my rear bumper; I've almost been sideswiped by people driving SUVs who know they can just bump my car out of the way; and numerous other things I won't even bother counting. They do it because they know they CAN. And I'm sick of it. The sooner those things are banned, the better.

PT Cruiser: That's gotta be one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. It doesn't look like a hearse so much as one of those cars people drove during the 1930s. If Al Capone were alive today, that's the kind of car he would drive. The things are just fugly.

Space Tourist: When I heard about this guy, I just couldn't believe my ears. Dennis Tito, if I remember his name correctly. Look, there are people digging in dumpsters for peach pits, people who have dreams that they *know* will never be realized because they don't have any money; our society penalizes the poor just for being poor, the only real opportunities exist only for those who already have a lot of money--and here this guy just plops down $20 million and gets a ride to the space station. Grrr.

Warpmind: I forgot last time...you mentioned a picture of Janet Jackson being similar to my idea for the Rocky/Ralphie picture. I vaguely remember seeing a picture (magazine cover, I think? not sure) like that, but I don't remember if it was Janet Jackson or not. Heh, I try to avoid everything that family's involved in, especially Michael. I'm all for being different, but that guy is just disturbing. ;)

Why I love Ebay: A few weeks ago I found the coolest thing there--an eight-inch fist with its middle finger extended. I have it sitting on my desk. :) Also, after almost two years of trying, I finally got my hands on a palmtop. Sixty bucks...and it took me about four months to save up that much money, a dollar here, fifty cents there (always saving up a bit, then having to use almost all of it for gas or food). It's a couple of years old and pretty much out of date, I guess, which is why I was able to get it for as little as I did, but I only use it for writing, so it works for me. I also had to get a docking station, but once that arrives... :D :D :D It's amazing...fits into my trenchcoat pocket and runs on two AA batteries (but I'm getting a rechargeable one so I don't keep going through the AA's). Now, I just have to get used to that tiny keyboard.... :P

Doug: There are a number of things I'd like to say, but I'll just mention one thing that really set off alarms in my head. You said that gay stuff is one of your biggest turn-offs...yet isn't your girlfriend supposed to be bisexual? Hasn't she had sex with numerous women and just loves doing it with women (according to things you've said in the past)? Well...why would you be interested in somebody who does something that turns you off so much? Sorry, but it just seems like you're starting to lose track of your BS. ;) (By the way, SJ does NOT owe you an apology. Why should he apologize when YOU are the one who was incapable of understanding that he (and Josh, earlier) was just joking--and they were *obvious* jokes, at that?)

Incidentally, this thing reminds me of an experiment I heard about a few years ago. Some volunteers were fitted with tumescence monitors and shown some gay porn. The guys who were the most vocal about saying, "I'm not gay!" were the ones who were the most aroused by what they were watching. The similarities are eerie....

Random thing--had to install a new faucet in the kitchen sink this afternoon. The old one looked as if somebody had broken it off and welded it back on, and didn't get it at the right angle, so it drooped and it was almost impossible to get a glass under it when there were dishes in the sink. Bleah. I'll say one thing--plumbers definitely earn their money, especially with the tight little places they have to crawl into to do their work. I put the faucet in, and I'm not eager to go through anything like that again....

The marvels of modern technology: Saw something quite fun on C/Net News (click my name for the story). Apparently, some new batteries for Dell Inspiron notebooks have a tendency to cause the computer to overheat. At least one computer has caught fire because of this defect. O_o ... :D F--kin' COOL!!!

Lain: What kind of pizzas do we have? The expensive kind. Pizza Hut is among the most expensive of the pizza places, yet they can't afford to pay their employees enough to live on (got my raise last week...now I'm making a whopping 28 cents more than minimum wage, after six and a half years...). And about your dad...I agree with the others--this guy needs to get his ass kicked.

Posting lyrics: I don't see the big deal, as long as it doesn't use up too much space. Back when this happened regularly, I just ignored it.

Oh gawd, it never ends: So they're gonna force yet ANOTHER Survivor on us? Why should I be surprised? Instead of having writers come up with something that might make somebody *think* they give us another 45 minutes of bad programming so they can squeeze in another 15 minutes of advertisements. No wonder I hardly ever watch TV anymore.

<Moment of silence for Rev. Attila> Condolences to GB, as well... :(

Well, I guess that about covers it for now, except to say that I'm still trying to catch up on emails and I'm still working on the latest fic. For the people who've been asking, I'm hoping it'll be done soon....

And now, finally, a long overdue...

***JOYRIDE!!!***

The gang is sitting at a picnic table in a park, enjoying a moment of peace and quiet while having lunch. But as enjoyable as the vacation has been, they're all itching to get back to work.

"So," Jack says as they pick up their paper plates and napkins, "any idea who our next target is? We've really been slacking off, lately."

"How about him?" Taura points at Ralph Nader, who is walking nearby, jotting notes about arsenic levels in a notebook. The others shrug.

"Sure, why not?" Jack grins. "We did the Loser and the usurper in the White House, so just to be fair..."

Boiler takes the lead and they advance on Nader, who notices them and begins to back up slowly.

"Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!" A six-foot-tall young woman runs out of nowhere, carrying a sketch pad in one hand and a pencil in the other, and stands between Nader and the Joyriders. The Joyriders stop and stare.

"Hi, Jessie," Pistoff says. "What's wrong?"

"You want him, you'll have to go through ME first!" Jessie crosses her arms over her chest and stands defiantly. The Joyriders realize there's no getting around her, and they all slump a little.

"Well...okay." Pistoff looks around. "But we've got to do SOMETHING."

Jack points a finger at Nader. "Okay...uh...do better next time, got it?" He and the others turn and walk back to the hearse.

"Wow, Dad," Boiler says, "I bet that made him piss himself."

Jack might've rolled his eyes, but none of them could be sure. Everyone gets into the car and Jack starts the engine. Boiler frowns, noticing something in her pocket, and digs out a slip of paper.

"What's that?" Delilah says.

"It's...Jessie's phone number. O_o"

***END JOYRIDE***
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 02:59:13 PM
IP: ip-216-104-69-200.uci.net

Imzadi> <>: You can never hang out with too many engineers. Unless you don't want to become one, that is.
<<Some closed-minded individuals think that anything that has to do with theater is fruity>>: Let's hear them say that about King Lear. They pull out a guy's eyes on stage. Or Henry V. "Gentlemen in England now abed shall hold their manhood cheap while any speak that fought with us on Crispin's day."
<<I've know since 7th grade too>>: Most engineers are good geeks.
<<Then the computer runs on blue smoke AND electricity>>: It's a series combination of causes, not parallel. Yes, I am an ECE.
<<You posted that just before I did>>: You must be faster Danielsan.
<<CONGRATS TO GSIDE! HE GOT ONE>>: Really? I was just making a thoughtless comback.
<<Why do Elephants want to get drunk?>>: Because they've been falling out of trees every day and have a headache?

Lynati> <<THERE'S sucky lick for you>>: I still think the groin was better.

Quentin> <<do u guys know each other>>: In real life? Some do, mostly through the Gathering.

Spacebabie> <<It's time for me to step down and for you to set up the quotes for people to guess>>: Aw man. Okay, how about: "Give me the box, Marty."
<<Whatever happened to the good ole StationWagon?>>: Not enough volume.

Reincarnator: Using various permutations of my name, I was a magician, the Pahroah, or the Pharoah's dog (and was killed when he died).

Aaron> <<Which was which?>>: Miki was the teacher, Mayumi had "the eyes, those horrible eyes scare me."

Gunjack> <<Why haven't ye posted this one, Gside?>>: Because I don't have it. It didn't really appeal to me.
<>: I like Chinese. If I didn't, I'd be in the wrong field.
<<None of the women in my life give me ANY respect>>: I hope you're not expecting any. Because you'll have to wait a long, long time.
<<I'm just hoping I don't break something>>: As I said, going to challenge Traveller?
<<The song's called "Live Noise"?>>: No, the bit's called Kasparov vs. Deep Blue, the album is called Live Noise.
<>: They just took off the 240meg limit, and now I'm having troubles getting back on Napster. I deleted the Orbison files, even. Granted I do have them on a CD.
<<Tri-state killing spree?>>: Let's. But which three states? How about the three most populated?
<>: I hear engineers earn good money, and you'd own half of everything.
<<But make it look like an accident>>: What do you take me for, a poli sci?
<<You guys gave us school girls>>: We gave the school girls uniforms with short plaid skirts.
<<Celidh is scottish>>: I say it all depends on what kind of skirt she's wearing.
<<Did you bring the handcuffs?>>: Only if you have the cat o' nine tails and nun's habit.
<<Horrible, isn't it?>>: More than should be unleashed on mortal minds.
<>: But if it's hypnotic covered, I'd think the distraction would remain if uncovering were common.
<<And it took me ALL NIGHT to get that>>: But I just recently said homonecropyrobestialiacophobia. You'd think it'd be easy. Especially since you just said something directly descended from it (in conversational terms).
<<Nothing to forestall an invasion like parking a 75 lb standoff minibomb in the Commander-in-Chief's bedroom window>>: We might have to worry less if we made a habit of dropping duds near random heads of state.

Condolences to the Baron.

Welcome back, Azrael.

Imzadi> <<windows users out there who were drooling over my 128x128 MacOS X icons>>: Actually, sorry, but I like my icons small and iconic (reference, picture plane from Understanding Comics).
<<You've just guaranteed me a job when I graduate>>: You build the silos, I get the detonition switches?
<<who?>>: It would take to long to fully explain. Essentially, it was the Baron's cat.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, May 3, 2001 02:50:06 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Lain: I'm so sorry! I hope you had fun talking to a real Siofra though : ) I've got msn messenger now, and my aol IM'er name is Siofra7 as well, although I'm not sure how often I'll be on now that I'm back at home...

Imzadi: Hehehe, sorry. I'm fully taken, but thanks for wondering ;) I was actually the only one in my high school to dye her hair red...and then everyone kind of forgot that it wasn't natural. There are still people that don't believe me... go figure
All of the sluts in our school went blonde... *sigh*

Well, I'm off to bed...have work tomorrow!
G'night all!
Siofra - [Siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Thursday, May 3, 2001 01:41:34 PM
IP: dialup-166.90.237.248.dial1.detroit1.level3.net

ICON PROJECT NEWS: I have officially given up on making my beautiful icons into windows icons. Windows and its crappy 256 color 32x32 icons with lousy alpha masks can go fsck itself. I can't take the beautiful artwork supplied to me by the talented artists are "crapify" it to something that winblows can use. Now then, if there's a windows PRO out there that would like to GET the artwork and make some icons themselves for windows (i.e. a collaborator for my project), then let me know.

"gee josh, tell us how you really feel" 8-)

Okay, I will. My sincerest apologies to all the windows users out there who were drooling over my 128x128 MacOS X icons. I really wanted to be able to give you guys SOMETHING for windows. Tell micro$haft to get off its ass and handle icons the way Macs do (hell, they copied every other aspect of the platform, might as well do it RIGHT).

Yesterday, I had THIS interesting thought: If there's a democratic president, its a good time to be a doctor, lawyer, or teacher. If there's a republican president, its a good time to be a scientist or an engineer. Thank you, Mr. Dubya, for trying to bring back star wars. You've just guaranteed me a job when I graduate!

Reverend Atilla: who? ah well, ::raises can of Jolt with everyone else, despite having no clue what's going on::

Aaron: <<He needed killin'" is an actual legal defense>>: It is my understanding that it is legal to shoot tresspassers in Texas. Is that true? <<Yeah, but you're in California>>: If I lived in Texas, I'm sure it'd be closer to 93.5633653245%. <<a state of mind>>: You just SO set yourself up to be insulted, but I'll just keep my yapper shut. <<they're waiting for a relationship with someone as evil at they are>>: My friends came to the conclusion that any woman I dated would have to be nuts, and therefore my spawn would be the anti-christ. Hence, I am not allowed to breed, precisely because I'm waiting for a woman with my outlook. <<What kind of class was that>>: Probably not an engineering class...<<Don't tell that to my mom>>: Note to self: Aaron's mom does NOT become in charge of deciding good tastes and fashions when I take over the world! ;-) <<Voltro>>: What a JACK! God, I miss voltron.

Gunjack: <<None of the women in my life give me ANY respect>>: Remove "in my life" and you have a sentence about me! <<In my SUIT>>: Awesome! Way to go to Rocky. <<we have a few lingering principles, eh?>>: Yes, I do. <<What ever happened to winning hearts and minds?>>: I gave up trying to win the next admin slot. I just don't care anymore. <<can't appreciate fine humor>>: exactly my point. <<huh?>>: Well, you said "wrong" a few times and "right" or "rights" about a million times, so "left" seemed the only logical response. <>: Join the club. <<Tomboys" were MUCH better than flutterbuys>>: There's a difference between a girl who's into "macho" sorts of things and a "butch" girl. Every guy wants a girl they can converse with about their favorite hobbies, sports, etc. But I don't think guys want girls that are built like brick walls. <<my entire generation is INSANE>>: That's because you're generation's parents were on ACID. <<DOES make concealing a r/c heavy gun somewhat easier>>: Also supports dual (or quad) rack mounted spud cannons.

Lynati: <<you think we can talk lain into a french maid's outfit>>: They don't make that much beer in Germany in a year...

Okay, I am OFFICIALLY NOT Sevarius Jr! I thing survivor is not worth my time to watch and would rather kill them all in a nuclear blast!

Azrael: <<Do either of you want to sum up the argument so far>>: It started this week. Start reading.

Revel: <<I'm done with mounting stuff>>: Um...

Lain: <<azrael>>: Maybe YOU could summarize it for him. <<maybe youd like to carry the torch for him>>: You're assuming that I'd carry this argument with anyone else! <<have i offended any republicans yet?>>: Nope, and I doubt you will.

********ARGUMENT CLINIC**********
<<let's file that one under "Bull Puckey" and move on>>: I don't know what "bull puckey" is, but from context I think I agree with you. <<that sounds an awful lot like slavery>>: That's odd, sounds like communism to me. But an entire generation could choose to not be teachers, because there are still plenty of teachers. Now if 4 or 5 consecutive generations decided not to be teachers, we'd have a problem. <<your pursuit of happiness is more important than theirs>>: My pursuit of happiness IS more important than theirs :-P

<<are trying to stake out a middle ground between objective and subjective morality>>: I'm not sure if that's true. There are a few things I think are wrong, and there are a few things that MOST people agree are wrong (murder, for example). But that doesn't mean that murder is objectively wrong. Objective implies that everyone does, always has, and always will agree with it. That's really not necessarily true. I think that most morals are subjective. And I think the "inherent" rights that are based on morals are subjective. A bleak picture, I know. But it all depends on the society we're raised in. If you were raised in 12th century England, you wouldn't think that "free speech" was an inalienable human right. <<and I quote>>: Whoa, I wasn't saying that I think that murder is incredibly immoral...but I'm NOT going to go into the hows and whys and we're not going to talk about it because I won't answer any questions you have about it. I was just using the sentence in a general statement about how humans view murder.

<<according to your philosophy, the answer is "can we get away with it?">>: Whoa there. The answer is subjective. But you're stretching what I've said a bit. According to the way I was raised, in the society I was raised in, it would be wrong, from my point of view, to murder gays. Some KKK idiot in bumsville...texas...might disagree with me. What you and I think is wrong is not a universal agreement. That's why morality and the rights based off them are subjective.

<<we, as a race, are pretty well screwed>>: Yeah, pretty much. <<isn't it your instinctive reaction (and duty as an individual) to resist them?>>: Maybe, but I have neither the strength, time, nor inclination to do so. <<Why should others be able to tell you how to live your life>>: Four words, dude: Los Angeles Police Department. <<Not a pretty picture>>: Nope.

<<his whole thing will probably just die>>: Fine by me. Arguing with you about morality will only serve to make me look EXTREMELY bad in the eyes of everyone else in here.
******END ARGUMENT CLINIC***********

There are no smart women in the world.
-Hcatty aka LostPerson, TGS Comment Room

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, May 3, 2001 01:28:00 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-155-64.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Lain- Sorry I haven't posted in the last several months, but I have been in Lurkdom. I just switched to the Deep Nights shift at work, 2200hrs - 0700hrs Sun -Thurs, so I finally get enough time at work to browse the site throughly(sp?). They had me back on days for a long time, and, since I am a primarily nocturnal creature, I had too much to do at work and was too tired once I got home to do anything serious here.

Gunjack- Good to know you'll be around for another round or two, I still haven't had time to read all the posts on the argument yet, so I can't jump in. But it does look interesting. Can you tell me how far back it actually started? Assuming, of course, that it didn't just start this week.

Thanks for the warm welcom back, Y'all.

-Azrael
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, May 3, 2001 01:20:36 PM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Slight change of plans, Lain... I'll be leaving Saturday instead of tomorrow. Which means I'll have time for another go-around or two with Imzy, and enough time to say goodbye properly. ; )
Gunjack "Little Red Rambler" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 12:59:17 PM
IP: ac8dc504.ipt.aol.com

*enters*
i didnt get a chance to know reverened attila that well either but.. i know he meant a great deal to the green baron. my condolances *hugs*

azrael>> you mean all it takes to get you back in here is a little argument clinic? well then.. should have thought of that EARLIER...
*grumbles something about having had to change posting name JUST for him cos it was too similar, even though *I* have been here longer grumble grumble..* ; )
oh well.. i have a better name now anyways : D
and i fear, my right wing buddy, that you have missed all the good stuff.. cos valentine is going away tomorrow for a week (as am i.. though we are unfortunately going to two VASTLY different places). he asked me to take up his side of the argument.. just cos i dont agree with him and he thought it would be funny for everyone to watch that but.. since youve arrived, maybe youd like to carry the torch for him..
glad youre back : )
*grabs three sodas, passes one to azrael, one to imzy, and pours one for herself and kicks back to enjoy*

sj>> too bad i dont watch survivor or i might have a clue who the heck is tina..

lynati>> you ang greg b were the same person in a past life?? o.O...
how in the world does THAT work? uh oh.. have you been messing with the timestream again? look, i TOLD you next time you did that you were s'posed to INVITE me, eh?
and thank you... which sark book is that from? succulent wild woman? hee hee i remember making val read the part about home being where your vibr.. no wait.. why dont i tell you that story on IM, okay? i tell you though.. the look on his face was sooooo worth it ; )

gunjy wunjy>> oh sure.. we were arguing about china? (psssst.. for the rest of the CR, that was the CENSORED version..) i believe we were arguing about the stupidity of your *idiot* president and his moronic idea of building a defence shield which will anger a great many nations with nuclear capability and begin a new arms race that the world REALLY doesnt need..
(have i offended any republicans yet?? ; )) who really *IS* running your country.. THATS what i wanna know.. *takes out files and begins reading*
..sit around on your butt all day and play delta force?? well.. um.. not to be rude but.. isnt that what you do EVERY day?
bathtubs? dont you remember the "hey dude.. you have a BATHTUB over here.." comment i made oh so inapropriately that one day? heh heh heh teasin the nice church of christers and their glorified bathtubs... tis my purpose in life you know..
and.. you like women who enjoy what you do.. kinda like how you like me and im a left wing pacefist canadian atheist who writes operas, makes stuffed toys and folds thousands of paper cranes etc and youre a right wing gun obsessed texan fundamentalist christian thingie who likes to play first person shooter games, rpgs and contemplate war tactics, right? i sense a fatal flaw in your logic here.. ; ) and.. hypervelocity needles? heh.. eeeeeeeeeeee..*thinks about that for a moment, then collapses into a violent shudder at THAT tasty thought.. goes and picks up DCs pieces off the floor, takes out some five-minute epoxy, puts him back together, wraps him in a sofy blanket and begins spoonfeeding feeding the poor guy some warm camels milk and honey..*

anyway.. i think thats all i can possibly stay awake for tonight. i shall see you all in the morrow,
cheers,
lain "they say that absence makes the heart grow fungus" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North, eh?
Thursday, May 3, 2001 12:48:24 PM
IP: ttyb14.ptbo.igs.net

Not too much time (finals...oh dear...) but I did want to stop by really quickly if only for...

*a moment of silence for Rev. Attila* He will be missed.

GB, my condolences...*hugs*

*Arianna exits quietly, now in an appropriately solemn mood for studying.*
Lady Arianna of Annwn - [lady_arianna@hotmail.com]
Winston Salem, NC, USA
Thursday, May 3, 2001 12:21:32 PM
IP: hurlmk0.computer.wfu.edu

Goodbye to Reverend Attila, if reincarnation exists, may he eventually return to us.

Todd> Your cat's name is Merlin? Why does that not surprise me ;) I had a cat a while back named Pharoah.

I know that I'm not one to talk, and I'm not the administrator, but perhaps everyone should just calm down. I know a lot has passed in here, but I think we are all capable of co-existing in the CR. If anyone has a problem, take it to e-mail. I've learned from past mistakes in here, and I hope others have also.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, May 3, 2001 11:17:24 AM
IP: dialin-1130-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

A few words for the passing of an icon...

He went up against the likes of Ted Turner, allied himself with the Catholic Schoolgirl Scouts, and was a rightious bastard (and I mean that in the good way!) and loyal friend to the Baron and many in here. Tis sad to lose one so close to one of the best of us here, and I think I can say for all of us when I say thus:

Rev. Attila, may you now revel in green fields, always lie in sunshine, and never lack for want of love and good company, because I'm certain there's plenty of it in heaven. Keep watch over your former master and freind, because when the Lord finally calls the Baron home, it is certain you'll be waiting at the gates with St. Peter to welcome him...

[Raizes a glass of the good stuff for the dearly departed, drinks and has a moment of silence...]

Be well, Rev. Attila. Be forever Blessed.

Maintain and Check Six, everyone...

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, May 3, 2001 11:16:18 AM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

**sniffles and gets watery-eyed** Oh, man...rest in peace, Reverend Attila...I'll miss him...:( My condolences to GB on his loss, also...:(

Ravyn
Thursday, May 3, 2001 11:03:47 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Oh, and one other thing. At no time was I "trying to win brownie points with the gay community." I couldn't care less what they think of me. I only called John Graham a loser bull queer because that's what he was. Get it?
Doug
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:50:14 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.78.dlls.grid.net

Pardon me, SJ, but I was offended because I failed to see that what you call a joke was a joke. I find nothing funny in stereotyping, no matter that the people being stereotyped can laugh at it or not. If you do, well, you're different than me. Very different. If you don't want to apologize, even though we both know you should, fine. Just know I don't count you as a friend anymore and right now I'm ashamed I ever did. And yes, I am serious.
Doug
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:46:13 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.78.dlls.grid.net

Woo hoo! I'm done with mounting stuff and I'm running on a rubber cement high!
Actually I'm queezy as hell from it.

Doug- Don't worry I got the Neferikare the prisoner too. Won't my parol officer be pleasently surprised. (Just kidding) And I was always told my first name was the name of kings. Oh well.

"Hey, how come your gun is bigger than mine?"
"Genetics, pee wee."
-Tango & Cash-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:44:29 AM
IP: ac8dd2af.ipt.aol.com

*******ARGUMENT CLINIC????********
I'm gonna have to beat up David. He's supposed to tell me when these little arguments break out so I can jump in...

Oh well, I guess I'll live. Do either of you want to sum up the argument so far. I don't have the time I once did, so I can only get in here for a few minutes a day (If I'm lucky...)

Thanks Y'all.

-Azrael.
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:29:10 AM
IP: 63.170.182.2

<--an old trustworthy one {if it hasn't been replaced}.

I have a quickk question before the eulogy....does Toon Disney sell tapes of Gargoyles and Goliath Chronicles? help! {nobody I know gets the station - and I'm already paying for Showtime just to get SG1}.

EULOGY:

I didn't really know Rev. Attila(sp?) very well, though we'd talked some {on the CR anyway}. From what I could tell, though, Rev.Attila was well-mannered and polite, taking longer than even me to become angry at someone. I hope that there is a God, if only to accept Rev. Attila to Paradise.

*silence for Rev.Attila*

*end for now*

Rodlox - [Rodlox@ hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:21:23 AM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

And "Jokerface" TINA is your 1,000,000 million dollar winner on Survivor!

And thank God. I was rooting for the underdog. That and Colby, who had the disturbing habit of referring to himself in the third person almost as much as Bob Dole, was becoming as annoying as Richard Hatch.

Unfortunately, this leaves a rather big hole to fill until the next Survivor debuts in the fall. I hear that they'll be bringing back Big Brother. God save us all.

Doug: Don't hold your breath expecting an apology, cause you'll expire before you get it.
I told a joke that GAY PEOPLE THEMSELVES tell all the time. Do you think that gay people don't find the stereotype that they all listen to Broadway showtunes or Babs Streisand records to be amusing? Some of thin-skinned ones do, I'm sure, but most of gay community who actually has a sense of humor looks at that particular stereotype and laughs at the absurdity of it.

And don't you take the high horse either. I don't think you're winning to many brownie points with the gay members of the fandom by attacking my horribly outrageous stereotyping when, in your enrapturing account of beating the bejeezus out of a man who came on to you (or sexually assaulted you, take your pick), you made glowing references to that "loser bull queer".

So, bottom line, I'm not apologizing because I don't see in any way how I offended YOU. If you were gay, and were offended, maybe you'd get an apology. But since you aren't, don't complain to me because you didn't see the humor in a dumb joke I was making.

Aaron: To be fair, you're assuming that I read everything everyone in here says, and also that I remember half of what happened in here at any given point in time.
Not knowing the "whole story", I saw a post where someone essentially brags about beating the hell out of some guy who came on to him, and I said something about it. My words, I believe, were appropriate.

R.I.P. Attila. I'll be pouring a 40 for you.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:11:16 AM
IP: 66-44-59-210.s464.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

**takes a quick moment of silence for the late Rev. Attila**

GB: Condolences from someone who knows all too well about losing beloved pets.
Coyote the Bando
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:09:17 AM
IP: 64.243.214.2

<sighs and raises a glass of milk> Reverend Atilla was a great friend to us all. He will forever be missed. Gone but not forgotten, never forgotten. If there are cat angels, surely he is one now.
Doug
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:03:48 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.24.dlls.grid.net

Reverend Atilla is gone?! No!!!! <breaks down and wails as Doug sighs and takes her in his arms, choking back his own tears as he takes Kit out of the room>
Kit
Thursday, May 3, 2001 10:02:12 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.24.dlls.grid.net

I'm sorry to hear about Reverend Attila's passing. My condolences to Green Baron. My own cat, Merlin, sends his as well.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, May 3, 2001 09:57:57 AM
IP: sdn-ar-002mosloup190.dialsprint.net

A moment of silence please. I got off the phone a short while ago with the Green Baron. His mother informed him that the Reverend Attila had past to a higher plane. Light a candle and lift a glass to one of the comment rooms own.

Blessed Be Attila, you will be missed.
Starsinger
Thursday, May 3, 2001 09:50:25 AM
IP: proxy-1492.public.svc.webtv.net

*steps in*
heh. my name was Unas, and I was an Embalmer; "arguably the most important (job) in ancient egypt." I had a wife and three sons an occasionally filled my dead friends with sawdust for free.
so, it seems not EVERYTHING has changed since then...
*glances at Val, mumbles something about soapy frogs, sawdust, her current wax project, and left-over chicken wire*
...AAAAnyway...
(ooh, yeah..in another incarnation, I was "Piankhi', too. So, apparently, Greg Bishansky and I used to be the same person...)
*twilight zone music plays*

Aaron: <summery> *ROTFGM* good, very good...but yet..there seems to be something...naggingly familiar...naaaw. ;)
Oh, and it's an art class (intensive) based on lineage, and exploring what things in the world have meaning for us vs. our ancestors). but you can use ANY medium...and wax is just so cool...mm, my face sure does feel clean; I really am going to have to start coating it with liquid-hot wax more often. and more hand casts...if only so I can freak Valentine out with THAT pic. *ethically challenged chuckle*

lain "eating mangoes naked" iwakura: hee hee...gues what book *I* found?? *has always liked SARK* ooh, and here is a
quotey-quote for you:
"You are my gorgeous friend. You listen deep to me. I can tell you embarassing things. Let me remind you of your holy purpose, and the importance of your ordinary day."
:D :D :D
no, no. If Warps had slipped and fallen, I would know about it. he HAS been calling me at least twice a day...*mumbles something about having to erase old messages to make room for new ones* ... (*)_(*)

Gunjack "the EGYPTIANS got screwed over?" Valentine : *bursts into song* "...WELL, SO COULD ANYONE!!...you took my dreams from me, when I first found you..."
What? you don't want to see me modeling my special wax-hand-casting-turned-bikini project pics? Aww. and here I was gonna promise to edit out my face so you wouldn't have godfather-related dreams...Oh, well.
RHPS: Err, well, *crosses arms over just and glances around nervously* the only people who ever attempt to play boob-tag with you ("No tags back!!") are ones that you have known for at least two years...and you're exempt from that, anyway. (and before anyone gets all "aaahhh!!" about that, it was just a joke between friends. It was all in (Somewhat embarassing, at least to me) fun. No-one THERE would EVER do that to a stranger, not even in jest.)
And...are you SURE? I think you'd look GREAT in a leather corset! I can probly lend you mine; the cords can be let out long enough to...what? "no"?...*sigh* fine, fine. Hmm...you think we can talk lain into a french maid's outfit, at least?

*Back to the art*
Lynati "okay, you're a Wambulance." Kshudra
South of sanity : 10 days and counting...
Thursday, May 3, 2001 08:07:15 AM
IP: 205.184.255.85

*Valentine waltzes in to the Pogues' "Fairytale of New York*

"they got cars big as bars, they got rivers of gold
but the wind goes right through you, it's no place for the old
When you first took my hand on that cold christmas eve
you promised me Broadway was waiting for me..."

Why haven't ye posted this one, Gside? Megatokyo posted it, so it's got to be good, ne'?

Dang, but I feel good. Which is crazy, cause I was up till 4am and all my dreams SUCKED last night. But hey, who's counting? I mean, I can still do THIS, ne'? *fastdraws the DND12, and rips DC in half with a ragged burst of hypervelocity needles*
He killed a post to quentin at about 3:30am, and he's made my comp as unstable as He^3. Which sucks now that I'm posting again, dontcha know.

Lain><<for anyone who hasnt noticed this yet, GUNJACK VALENTINE IS *NOT* A BIG TOUGH GUN GUY, HE IS A BABY!!>> *Assumes an expression of wounded dignity* ...I love you too, dear. : P <<sheesh man, if you cant last 18 hours without me, what the HECK are you gonna do next week till my new internet gets connected?>> *thbbbtttttttt* ...I lasted 18 hours just fine, thank you. And the problem wasn't that you were gone, it was more how *ahem* you left. I didn't get to finish arguing about the Chinese,
<<and you started an argument clinic WITHOUT ME?>> What was I supposed to do? Sit around on my butt all day and play Delta Force? ; ) <<and.. whats with this "ne'" thing youve come out with? from whence the ne'?>> Flashbacks to my reading habits from a LOOOOOOONG time ago. I used to read Ranma/AMG/BGC fanfics all day, and that was one of the more common expressions. It just kinda stuck. Why do you ask?
<<we could always have a CR biker gang.. get way too many tattoos..>> ...and way too many guns. ; ) I'm up for it. Though my enthusiasm for biking WAS diminished a bit by spending a week at camp with a guy who had just lost half his skin in a bike crash... <<(and stop looking at me like that gunjack.. its a SONG.. and its NOT about bathtubs..)>> What... on EARTH? o.O ...Bathtubs? Did I miss something?
<<thats all for now, folks, maybe more later, im off to visit my piano student friend..>> Here's to hoping she's doing better... : |

Quentin><<Anyways, i was wondering if you guys could tell me a little about this message board.>> Certianly. A buncha crazy internet people get together here to rant and gripe, and discuss various subjects. The site's been around for a while, and yes, we are pretty close. It's a good lovin' kinda feeling. *blatantly ignores the scorchmarks on the walls*

Lynati><<Well, now you know how Val, supposed Good Christian Boy(TM), REALLY thinks... ];)>> ....What does it take, eh? None of the women in my life give me ANY respect... : P <<RHPS>> You know what? I think I WILL go to this. In my SUIT. No leather bodice for me. <<err...the soapy frogs? I don't have them right now; I lent them to a fellow freshman for an art project...>> Is that what you guys call it up there? <<wait; does that mean you DON'T want pics of the bikini I'm making??>> I musta REALLY done something bad in a past life... : P

Imzy><<Being a camp counselor is one of the most sacred jobs there is.>> *nearly chokes to hear Imzy say "sacred"* Whoa. So we have a few lingering principles, eh? And that reminds me... I DO need to send that counseler contract back to the nice camp people... <> What ever happened to winning hearts and minds? ; ) <<Do we have to?>> Not really (I think I already made my point), but it IS a fun topic... <<In any case, I don't think posting that link would earn me a lot of friends or laughs.>> That's cause everyone's got burrs in their saddles just now, so they can't appreciate fine humor. : P ...Pikers. <<Left.>> Huh?

Gside><<Not really, I just like the word.>> Whatever floats yer boat, I suppose... <<Going to challenge Traveller for the record?>> I'm eight weeks behind. I'm just hoping I don't break something. <<Maybe, but I was drawing a parallel to a bit from their Kasparov/Deep Blue bit on Live Noise. I think you'd like it, but I won't post it because there's a naughty word.>> The song's called "Live Noise"? I can just Napster it, y'know... <> Tri-state killing spree? <<I'm incredibly cheap.>> Drat. And I promised myself to marry for money, too... <<You sure? I can kill him to clear the way for us if you want.>> That's... That's so sweet... *sniffle* ...But make it look like an accident, eh? <<Tough luck, I'm officially a catholic.>> I won't hold it against you. You guys gave us school girls, ne'? Which brings up that earlier question...
See, I'm a bit confused. Cause Celidh is scottish (and therefore most likely somewhat Catholic), so she'd seem to fall into the "CSG" category. But she's also drawn in a Anime style, which means I'm totally confused here.
<<Good. Shall we give in to forbidden pleasures?>> That depends. Did you bring the handcuffs? <<There's also your PSL.>> Nope... I stopped reading web comics about the same time I stopped posting. Horrible, isn't it?
<<But do you have anything that bounces (to look at, that is)? I'm tellin gyou it can get hypnotic.>> I think you misunderstood, laddie...
<<You sure about that? You don't know what you're missing.>> actually, he knows what he ISN'T missing. Like appendages, and large amounts of blood. <<Please tell me you aren't lighting them on fire.>> I don't think so, no... And it took me ALL NIGHT to get that. : P
<<Because the generals get to decide what is a war crime and what isn't.>> Screw that. If dictators want to go psycho on people, we should be able to go psycho on them. Nothing to forestall an invasion like parking a 75 lb standoff minibomb in the Commander-in-Chief's bedroom window... <<Left.>> I don't get it. : P

Ravyn><<I've had guys assume that I'm gay since I'm into "macho" sorts of things, like working on cars and auto racing, and not "feminine" sorts of things...>> See, now THAT'S weird. I've always thought that "Tomboys" were MUCH better than flutterbuys. I mean, why would you want a woman who spends all her time doing feminine stuff (whatever the heck THAT is...), when you could have a woman who enjoys doing what YOU do?
This supports my conclusion that my entire generation is INSANE. : P

SUVs - I honestly couldn't care less. Though the enclosed passenger compartment DOES make concealing a r/c heavy gun somewhat easier...

Aaron><<Why wait? Remember your Texan pride. �Round these here parts, "He needed killin'" is an actual legal defense.>> As it should be. But it's generally a good idea to wait until they actually DO something to earn it, ne'? <<So can clicking a box cutter open and closed.>> I prefer switchblades, myself. Or popping the clip of an auto in and out, in and out...

Reincarnator - I put in my full real name and got...

Name: Auser (remind me to keep that one handy; I kinda like it)
Occupation: Pharaoh(!)

You were the ruler of Egypt! A strong Leader, you were known to order the execution of anyone who did not support your throne. Tall, statuesque, and healthy, you had many wives and numerous concubines. The throne was inherited from your father upon his murder. Feared by many and loved by most, you forced many slaves to biuld your grand tomb in the tradition of the great pyramids. Your duties kept you busy, but you always made time to dally with your concubines and attend grand social banquets. As the most important member of society, your burial chamber was very big and full of gold, jewels, and food, of which people believed were needed in the afterlife.

Don't THAT just beat all? ; )

*********************ARGUEMENT CLINIC********************
Imzy(who else?)><<...but Mackie's argument is there are no other types of values that BOTH motivate us to action AND are independent of desires.>> I don't understand how our perception of a value changes it's status. An objective value CAN'T be defined by what we think of it; that's why it's called OBJECTIVE! Since you don't agree with him either, let's file that one under "Bull Puckey" and move on.

<<They themselves are determined by morality. Their availability is determined by what society provides.>> An excellent clarification. I agree completely. <<Depending on the society, it may be determined by what society CAN provide (i.e. the US would like to be able to provide good education for everyone, but can't).>> I would argue that access to education ISN'T one of those moral rights. Most of the rights that are "inarguably universal" (such as free speech, and L/L/PoH) only require non-interference to operate. For you to have free speech, all you have to do is speak; it's your choice, and no one else need be involved.
Education and medical care, on the other hand, must be PROVIDED. To declare them "rights" is to say that other people OWE you these services simply because you exist.
A hypothetical: Let's say that the next generation is born, and not one of them wants to be a teacher; instead, they all want to be lawyers. But we have decided that all americans have a "right" to education, which means that these young men and women are essentially violating human rights by persuing the career of their choice.
In other words, you're saying that they are OBLIGATED to give up their pursuit of happinesss, because their choice of jobs doesn't do something for YOU. From where I'm sitting, that sounds an awful lot like slavery.
Education and medical care are good things, but saying that someone OWES them to you is (IMO, and especially in the case of education) to say that your pursuit of happiness is more important than theirs.

<<MY GOD YES. Morality is the single most subjective thing in the universe. There may be a few things that most people agree are wrong, but no one agrees on everything when it comes to morality.>> The problem is, you (and every other person I've argued this with) are trying to stake out a middle ground between objective and subjective morality. And, frankly, there isn't one.
If Morality is objctive, then there is ONE set of rules that apply to all people. If it's subjective, then there are NO rules, just force. There is no middle ground. If you wish to say that ANYTHING is absolutely Wrong (and I quote: "Amazing how "moral" people try to justify the incredible immorality of murder"), you must accept an objective morality. Otherwise, your viewpoint on the "incredible immorality of murder" is totally invalid.
You just got done saying that it would be wrong to vote away the rights of gays, and then you turn around and say (in effect) that it ISN'T wrong, because "Right and Wrong" aren't objective concepts. So now we're back to square one; if morality (and thus the human rights based on it) is subjective, and whether or not we should murder gays is a moral question, then the answer is also subjective. So, according to your philosophy, the answer is "can we get away with it?".
If "Can we get away with it" is the ultimate measure of morality, I think it's fairly obvious that we, as a race, are pretty well screwed. It also strikes me as a rather cowardly responce; if morally empty, externally imposed restraints are being forced on your life, isn't it your instinctive reaction (and duty as an individual) to resist them? Why should others be able to tell you how to live your life, especially when they are JUST AS WRONG as you are? Government exists (suposedly) to serve the common good; but if there IS no common good (since the Common Good is a moral judgement, and thus subjective), the government defaults to raw tyranny. Not a pretty picture.
*****************END ARGUEMENT CLINIC********************'

I think that's everything for now. The real pity is, I'm going to be gone all next week, so this whole thing will probably just die down. : P ...Maybe I can convince Lain to pick up my end or something.
Gunjack "I Coulda Been Someone" Valentine - [miphsingletone@hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 07:09:27 AM
IP: ac8aa169.ipt.aol.com

Jannie> I know you're tired of this, but I want you to know that you weren't singled out. You were just one of the first recipients of the new, more active, admin policy. We're sort of in an experimental phase right now. If nobody likes this policy, we'll work on it some more.

Gunjack> <<after he ascends to dictitorial power, so it's for the good of mankind>> Why wait? Remember your Texan pride. �Round these here parts, "He needed killin'" is an actual legal defense.

SJ> To be fair, Doug has told the full version of that story several times.

Josh> <<Personally, I wouldn't want to be associated with more than 50% of the people in my state.>> Yeah, but you're in California.... ;) <<How on earth can so much unity be justified by the arbitrary drawing of state lines?>> (Note my accent is thickening by the minute) What y'all don't seem tah undahstand, is that Texas ain't so much a place, as it is a state of mind. <<Took it pretty quickly, I see!>> Well, once, as experimentation. But it's apparently confusing people. <<could you send me some blue smoke!?>> I'm not a CompE. Talk to FS. <<they might be sadistic evil bastards. They might just not be ready for a relationship.>> Or maybe they're waiting for a relationship with someone as evil at they are. (Evil grinz)

SOROW> Hugs and good luck.

SUVs> When I run the world, you can all buy stationwagons. Same goes for mini-van owners. But, it may not be the fault of the drivers themselves. I'm starting to think that SUVs are themselves inherently evil. Recently, after my late, lamented Nova went to the big autoyard in the sky, I borrowed a Mercury Mountaineer off a guy I know. About the second time I drove it I was like "FEAR ME MORTALS! Out of my way before I run you over, for I have an SUV! Kneel before Zodd!" Stuff like that.

Kit> <<In other words, the car is you. You are the car. :)>> Very, very true.

Gside> <<I'm telling you it can get hypnotic.>> So can clicking a box cutter open and closed. <> It is. That was just an injoke for all the hentai. <<Miki or Mayumi?>> Which was which? The teacher was rather nicer then the coach. <<Worse than crunchy frog.>> But not as bad as spring surprise.

Lynati> << red wax stuck on clothes and hair and face and other various portions of her anatomy*>> (Blinx) What kind of class was that?!? (If you can tell us without violating the CR rating, that is)

Spacebabie> <<The Most hideous Car is the PT Cruiser...Looks like a hearse on steroids.>> Don't tell that to my mom, she wants one...

Lain> <<and i MUST say aaron, that pink is VERY fetching.. ; ) >> Must you? Are you sure it doesn't make me look fat?

Hmm, I found this on one of the other boards I hang out on, Robby knows which one, and thought it was amusing enough to share.

"Title: Sodapop Crisis

Summary:
5 young girls, armored in battle suits named after planets, must save the world from the Super Ryajin alien, Tomato.

Tomato, Pants (his son from the future), and two twin cat girls who pilot the mini tank Napoleon, try to steal the Gorgon-balls, magic orbs which grant the keeper one wish.

The 5 girls, know as the NeoBreeders, battle the forces of evil as they try to stop Tomato from granting his wish: to bring himself back to life when he dies. However, Tomato seems to pilot an unstoppable ship, known as the Starblazer, which looks like a flying U.S. Navy battleship.

The tiger-striped, bikini-clad, alien, Lim, helps out the Neobreeders by giving them the "Dividing Hammer", a super weapon which calls forth two giant robots by splitting the earth in two. The two mechs: Big Mo, and Voltro (pieced together by the Mo-Lions: 5 robotic singing lions), along with the Neobreeders, are the only thing that can stop Tomato from dying, then coming back...

The action sequences are said to be few and far between, as the Neobreeders and the mechs just sing and dance throughout the film, and the final battle has Tomato just standing around for about 45 minutes explaining what he is about to do.

Oh yeah, everyone is voice acted by a Hollywood star...

But at least it's original...:P

Seriously though, after seeing the Atlantis trailer and some clips, it makes me wonder why Disney just Didn't License Nadia, add some singing and dancing, and voice Robin Williams as King. Oh, yeah, that would have to mean them admitting to unoriginality...

Conversations from beyond the Grave:

Tezuka: First, they stole my idea, now this! It's all your fault!!!
Disney: Nah, I didn't have anything to do with this crap..."

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, May 3, 2001 06:43:04 AM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Well, I decided to have fun with this reanimator thing. So I tried a couple variations on my full name. For example, changing Joshua to Josh, or adding my middle name, or just putting in my first name, or going by my callsign, etc.

Joshua Grey Wurzel (yes, my middle name is Grey): A physician with four wives and 13 kids. Damn I was busy! My kind of harem...hmmm...Jessica Alba, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Denise Richards, and Jamie Pressly.

Joshua Wurzel: a scarab beetle - always knew I was a sh*t-kicker

Josh Grey Wurzel: Scribe

Josh Wurzel: Corrupt judge, murdered by a criminal I refused to let go

Joshua: a dog...they put me to sleep for humping too many women's legs.

Josh: tomb raider...wonder if I get to play with Angelina Jolie

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel: beekeeper, died of a hornet's sting.

Lynati: <<for the most part it is the same throughout the country>>: We shall see come gathering...

Spacebabie: <<They are just mommywagons for men>>: I resent that. You will NEVER see me hauling kids around in my truck with the exception of my little bro. My jeep is very useFUL, though perhaps not in the way it was intended (mine was made in 1993, back when SUV's weren't being sold yet to "trendy" soccer moms and stuff...they were built to haul).

Lain: <<dont you?>>: I don't go to weddings. I think I'll skip out on my own, in fact. <<you started an argument clinic WITHOUT ME?>>: Nothing exclusive going on...just jump in whenever you're ready. <>: Argh! Pick a side of the fence and jump off! <<grabs a bowl of popcorn and sits back to watch gunjy and imzy duke it out>>: Wanna grab some soda while you're at it? 8-)

Jannie: <<Those that assumed that you did this without provocation should get to know you better>>: An admirable thought, but don't forget that I've only been here a few months. I didn't know that doug wouldn't do that...but now I do. <<doesn't make it the SUV's fault>>: I agree. I don't think you CAN forget a child in an SUV, even one the size of the Excursion.

Christine: <<Piers Anthony>>: I confess, I haven't read Xanth. But the Incarnations of Immortality series ruled. Those 7 books were very tightly knit and served a very coherent plot carried across 7 different viewpoints. I recommend them if you haven't read it already.

He has the intelligence of a sophomore sociology student.
-Anonymous Caller, "The Larry Elder Show"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, May 3, 2001 06:34:32 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

I'M A PHAROAH!

oops, not yet. :)

when I put in my real first name, I was a seamstress...with my abreviated name, I was Nicotris a ship captain who dealed with Phoenecians!!!!

Rodlox
Thursday, May 3, 2001 06:17:19 AM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

And when I just enter Douglas, I get this:

Neferirkare, Prisoner

Once a builder, you eventually became a tomb robber. You broke into the tombs of many, stealing jewels and precious metals and statues, and then selling them on the black market. Tomb robbing paid better than construction, and many people turned to thievery for extra money. When you were caught, you paid off a scribe to change the record and let you go. The next time you were caught (your neighbor turned you in when he noticed your sudden increase in wealth), you were sent to prison, where you spent the rest of your life in a pitch black cell, which was no more than a hole in the ground into which your food was dropped. The solitude of the cell drove you to insanity.

Not funny. :(
Doug
Thursday, May 3, 2001 05:56:03 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.83.dlls.grid.net

Stephen: Yeah, that is weird. When I entered just my first name I was an officer called Tehuti. Same details as Doug's life with his full name. With his first name, we get this: Haremhab, Carpenter- "As a carpenter, you built cabinets, chairs, tables, etc. You had a good array of tools, including axes, saws, vices, adzes, drills, hammers and chisels, and you had great knowledge of wood and of wood working techniques. Considered one of the best in your trade, you made a good salary to support your two wives and eight children. Your family had the luxury of learning to read and write, and you learned alongside your children. Your wife held many banquets for your friends, as eating elaborate meals together was an important means of socializing." Strange.
Kit
Thursday, May 3, 2001 05:54:40 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.83.dlls.grid.net

Egyptian Identity: I was "Bakare" and they had this to say about me-
"You were an officer in the Egyptian army, commanding the troops of the pharaoh to prepare them for attack. Egypt was full of gold, and many nations wanted to exploit it. Thanks to your strong army, the country defended its gold and formed a very profitable gold trade. You had many wives and plenty of money, and were therefore very popular. Though you enjoyed many social gatherings, your secret hobby was learning to read and write. When you died of an unidentified disease at 28, a statue of you was built and placed at the entrance to your elaborate tomb. As a high-ranking official, you had enough money to have yourself mummified after death."

Heh, I think this identity sounds pretty cool. Wish I could have a life a little more like it today (though I would want to live longer).

Kit was "Achotep," and they said this:
"You lived in a nobleman's house and were the servant of his wife. In the mornings you bathed and dressed her, and then kept her house neat and clean. You prepared food for the family and washed, dressed, and cared for the children while your husband worked as a field hand for the nobleman. He worked the land harvesting wheat and barley. Though you were too poor to have any children of your own, you married for love and you stayed with your husband your entire life. Neither of you had the luxury to develop hobbies or interests; life as a servant didn't permit you the time. After your husband passed away, you eventually died and were buried in a modest grave on the nobleman's property."
<Kit grimaces and mumbles "Well, at least I married for love and I always had something to do.">

Thanks Christine!
Doug
Thursday, May 3, 2001 05:51:29 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.83.dlls.grid.net

I was aparently a carpenter who had two wives and eight children. Hmmm...Go me! ;P
Beth H.
Thursday, May 3, 2001 05:49:09 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

REINCARCERATOR - Hmm, I entered my full name, and turns out I'm a ship's captain named Heru; a sailor with no real home, and a rickety cargo ship with a six-slave power-drive... but, then, I entered my first name alone (Stephen) and I was a scribe named Userkare...

Funny though, I entered my twin sister's nanme, and she was a beekeeper who died from a hornet's sting. Jeez...

Fun toy though. ^_^

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, May 3, 2001 05:48:36 AM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

Christine, Greg> Heh...you guys are better than I am...apparently, in Ancient Egypt, I was a scarab beetle named Neferirkare. I was a darn *scarab beetle!* ;)
Ravyn
Thursday, May 3, 2001 05:46:26 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Christine> Apparantly in my past Egyptian life, I was a Priestess named Piankhi, who dedicated her life to serve the Gods, and was a sorceress also. I never married.

I was a woman. Hmmm.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, May 3, 2001 04:45:44 AM
IP: dialin-1130-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Me again ... click to visit the Mummy Returns site, and check out their Reanimator feature. Tells you your ancient Egyptian name and what your past-life profession was. I'm Sashet, a scribe, and apparently I was a man because I never found a wife despite lots of attempts to meet eligible women. ; )

Christine - [<----- walk like an Egyptian]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 04:32:49 AM
IP: 03-132.075.popsite.net

Doug > Xone of Contention is the latest rehash of the same old thing by Piers Anthony in his Xanth series, some folks wandering through the countryside on some vague quest with no real purpose other than to showcase the latest five hundred and twelve puns that readers sent him, with lots of panty-showing freakouts. Just read it the other day. Yawn. Not that I've anything against the guy, and in fact I really enjoyed the first six or seven Xanths, but lately it's been as repetitive and predictable as V.C. Andrews. Oh, to be that famous and able to get away with the like! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, May 3, 2001 04:26:08 AM
IP: 03-132.075.popsite.net

Jannie: <you're not violent> Thanks. I wish other people would remember that at times. Glad you did. <SUVs> I didn't mean to imply it was the SUV's fault, sorry about that. And good luck to you driving SUVs. I feel a similar way about pickups now that I drive one. :)

Lain: <Methinks you're my kind of woman, Kit> Hey, watch it! :)

Spacebabie: Xone of Contention sounds intriguing. Who's the author?
Doug
Thursday, May 3, 2001 03:52:58 AM
IP: pool-63.52.169.32.dlls.grid.net

SUV discussion: I prefer driving and riding in an SUV. I get car sick riding in a "regular" car. The SUV sits higher, I feel safer in one and I can turn and park one on a dime... and I'm only 5'1". My Honda CRV is considered an SUV, but I don't think of it as one - at least not compared to Suburbans, Tahoes, etc. If I'm in an accident, I pray that I'm in an SUV rather than a Camero, Mustang, Geo, etc.
The reason more families are buying the 'burbs is because of how nice they handle, how comfortable they are, more space, and they are safer. I have a suburban, a mini-van, and a CRV. *shrugs* I love all of them and wouldn't have a "regular" car if it was given to me.... well, I'd take it, but I'd sell it or trade it for a newer CRV or something ;)

Doug> on the gay bashing topic... I knew that there had to be a good reason for you to attack someone else. You are certainly not an aggressive or malicious person. Those that assumed that you did this without provocation should get to know you better. Even though you didn't state all of the facts of the story in the beginning - one should remember how you are (kind and gentle type person) before jumping to assumptions.
Also, just because the mother of the abandoned child drove an SUV doesn't make it the SUV's fault ;)
The mother was an idiot. I still don't buy the excuse that "I forgot" when a child is left behind in a vehicle. Any parent that would do that doesn't deserve to have children.
Jannie
Thursday, May 3, 2001 02:51:11 AM
IP: modem20-200.mo-net.com

el quentin loco>> WHAT?!?! london ontario you say? gah!! you are SO not allowed to live in london ontario.. i ABSOLUTELY forbid it.. im sorry but you are going to have to move RIGHT NOW
*mumbles something about the world being waaaaaay too freakin small..*
yeah, were a pretty tight-knit bunch but newcomers are always welcome in here : D some of the people in here have met, yes. i have only ever met two CR posters, though that number might jump to four sometime this summer. there is also a big gargoyles convention thingie called the "gathering" that lots of CR posters will be going to (but not me.. cos i have no $$$$ and no time this year.. maybe next year though)
so um.. you go to the school in london? western? if you do then.. what do you take?

josh>> do i go to weddings naked? um.. well.. dont you??

aaron/robby>> heh heh heh heh BWA HA HA!!! now that you pair have listened to the REAL voice of authority in here and started to post in SENSIBLE colours, all should be well..
and i MUST say aaron, that pink is VERY fetching..
; )

gunjack>> for anyone who hasnt noticed this yet, GUNJACK VALENTINE IS *NOT* A BIG TOUGH GUN GUY, HE IS A BABY!! A CUUUUTE WIDDLE BAAAAAABY!!!! awwwwww... oochie gaboo.. didsa gunjy wunjy misa lainy-poo? cos i wasa gone for.. 18 hours? QUICK!!! let me call you a WAAAAAAMBULANCE!!!... sheesh man, if you cant last 18 hours without me, what the HECK are you gonna do next week till my new internet gets connected? and camp for two months? you sure youre gonna make it? maybe you should get some therapy or something.. thats just not healthy..
; )
and you started an argument clinic WITHOUT ME?
and.. whats with this "ne'" thing youve come out with? from whence the ne'?

soifra>> you big fibster.. one of the times you posted, you left the 7 out of your email address and i put it on my hotmail IM and it hooked me up with.. actually a very nice girl who lives in ireland and whose name actually IS siofra.. but she wasnt you and she no doubt thought i was a crazy guy cos she didnt know what a CR was and had never heard of gargoyles..

kit>> motorbike over a car anyday? hee hee me too.. methinks youre MY KINDA WOMAN.. ; ) we could always have a CR biker gang.. get way too many tattoos.. and be all tough and burly with hidden teddy-bear hearts... just as long as i didnt have to wear leathers with tassles id be fine..
i learned car and only car cos my dear old dad doesnt want his baby riding on a daaaaaaangerous motorcycle.. and then theres the snow factor up here, you can only use the machine for half the year and.. *sigh*
doesnt mean im not gonna get me one ANYWAY.. ; )

spacebabie>> my dad has a stationwagon.. lovely thing.. with fake-wood-pannel siding too. actually its a nice car and incredibly useful..

ARGUMENT CLINIC>> well.. seeing as how i would and could argue both sides of this issue equally well depending on the time of day or mood i was in, i think id better stay out of it and avoid the confusion that would present..
*grabs a bowl of popcorn and sits back to watch gunjy and imzy duke it out*

lynati>> oh so thaaaaaats what happened to warpy.. i was wondering if hed gone to the bathroom and fallen in or something..

********************LION KING REVIEW******************
wow but this was a good show.. the costumes were absolutely awesome, as was the set. i couldnt believe the giraffe and hyena costumes, they were really fantastic.. as were the lioness costumes.
there were several differences in the show as opposed to the movie, though. first of all, rafiki was a woman.. o.O.. and second of all, they used the plot device that scar wanted nala as a mate in order to get her to leave the pride lands and find simba. it kinda made a little more sense than.. "i left to find help.. and i found you" but i guess you dont wanna put stuff like that in a kids movie, huh..
the way they did some of the scenes was fantastic.. the stampede for example was very well done. the use of cords supporting the actors when they fell (ie mufasa from the cliff where scar throws him and scar from the top of pride rock) was very well done aswell.
the production was at the princess of wales theatre which i went to before to see miss saigon. the stage there is really big (in saigon, they had a real helecopter land on the stage as part of a scene) but the stage also had conveyer belts and different openings under the stage where props could come from and characters could disappear to, as well as small openings for steam jets that erupted in the "elephant graveyard"
the music was good also, most of the songs from the movie were in there (with the exception of the one scar sings.. be prepared) but there was also music from that cd that came out after the soundtrack.. i dunno if any of you have it.. its "rhythm of the pride lands" and i was all proud that i understood the african lyrics, too : D
goooooooood stuff!!
"he lives in you, he lives in me, he watches over everything we see
into the water.. into the truth, in your reflection,
he lives in you
(and stop looking at me like that gunjack.. its a SONG.. and its NOT about bathtubs..)
all in all it was a very worthwhile show and comes highly recommended. thumbs up from me!
*******************END LION KING REVIEW*****************

thats all for now, folks, maybe more later, im off to visit my piano student friend..
love,

lain "you think youre so smart but ive seen you naked.." iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 11:49:14 PM
IP: ttyb1a.ptbo.igs.net

Enters on a Flying Bed.

weeeeeeeeeeeeee

::Hands GSide the Quotemaster Cap::It's time for me to step down and for you to set up the quotes for people to guess.

Gaybashing>>>Never came across it.

SUV's>>>I remember somone woret nonfiction paper on them. He called the vehicles Stupid Usless Vehicles. I hate those pices of crap. They are just mommywagons for men, given "manly" names, like Explorer. When I say Mommywagon I mean Minivan....Whatever happened to the good ole StationWagon? Thats what Moms used to drive around back in the day. The Most hideous Car is the PT Cruiser...Looks like a hearse on steroids. Give me those adorable VW beetles or Dodge Neons anyday.

Kit>>>>I hated that director too, although in my fantasy I shrank him to the size of a doll and gave him to ParaPara and told her to play dentist. I'm reading Xone of Contetion and there are two characters named Kim and Dug who are the perfect coupl. I kept on thinking about you and Doug.

Sorrow>>>Take care.

*Flirts with the single guys in the room before disapering*

Spacebabie
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 10:06:18 PM
IP: user-37kap1i.dialup.mindspring.com

** Niamhgold enters quickly **

Hey, all, just letting you know I'm still alive! Almost done with finals, going home next Weds/Thur/and Fri, so should be able to make a coherent post around then!

Until then, Adios and be safe! :)
Niamhgold
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 08:20:51 PM
IP: 206.41.204.68

***** TGS CR INFO UPDATE, CONTINUED 2 *****

This just shows you what happens when I try to post an update in the CR when I'm too tired to think straight. :\

The CR Archive has also been updated to include dates up to Saturday, April 28, 2001.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2001/index.html

***** END TGS CR INFO UPDATE, CONTINUED 2 *****

*sighs* Hope I haven't forgot to mention anything else. Pretend my last post was in Sky Blue. Sorry for the numerous posts. I'm going to get some sleep now.
Lady Mystic - [<--- TGS CR INFO UPDATE !!!]
Head Admin of TGS CR Info
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 05:36:34 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

***** TGS CR INFO UPDATE, CONTINUED *****

For clarity: The new data within the CR Archive has caused some files to be overwritten to include additional dates, thus causing filename and listing changes. I will explain this further if you find this confusing.

***** END TGS CR INFO UPDATE, CONTINUED *****

Will do a regular post and return emails once I find time. (Thanks for waiting patiently. :) )
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Head Admin of TGS CR Info
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 05:22:48 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

***** CR INFO UPDATE *****

CR ARCHIVE:

Thanks to 2 contributors (who shall remain nameless for now) we now have a more complete CR Archive! Some new data has been added and some previously incomplete dates have been confirmed complete. Changes to files and dates within the archive are listed below:

Dates 11/22/98 - 11/27/98 (incomplete) have been changed to dates 11/22/98 - 11/29/98 (complete).

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/1998/11-29-1998.html

Dates 5/23/99 - 6/6/99 (missing) have been changed to dates 5/23/99 - 5/30/99 (missing) and 5/30/99 - 6/6/99 (incomplete).

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/1999/06-06-1999.html

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>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/1999/06-27-1999.html

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>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/1999/07-15-1999.html

Dates 8/22/99 - 8/28/99 (incomplete) have been changed to dates 8/22/99 - 8/29/99 (incomplete).

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/1999/08-29-1999.html

Dates 8/29/99 - 9/5/99 were considered incomplete but have now been confirmed to be complete.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/1999/09-05-1999.html

Dates 11/28/99 - 12/8/99 (missing) have been changed to dates 11/28/99 - 12/5/99 (missing) and 12/5/99 - 12/8/99 (incomplete).

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/1999/12-08-1999.html

All of these files can be accessed via the appropriate links available on the CR Archive index page.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/index.html

The list of missing and incomplete dates has been revised to accommodate said changes. Again, if you have a complete copy of any of these dates/files or have evidence verifying the (in)completeness of any of these files please let me know at lady-mystic@usa.net. Remember, I'm always looking for data.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/missing.html

CR IMAGES:

A formerly unknown artist of a few pics has been found: Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson created the available CR pics of Ophelia, Teen Demona and Teen Goliath. This new data has been included on the necessary pages of the Images Archive.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/images/index.html

A list has been made of pics whose artists are unknown or artists we were unsure of. Links to these pics are also available via this list. If you know of or can confirm any of the artists of the listed pics please inform me via email at lady-mystic@usa.net.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/images/unknown.html

Furthermore, navigation on all pages within the Images and Other Images archives have been updated to accommodate the unknown artists page.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/images/index.html
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/other/index.html

***** END CR INFO UPDATE *****
Lady Mystic - [<--- TGS CR INFO UPDATE !!!]
Head Admin of TGS CR Info
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 05:10:55 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Imzadi: <Why do Elephants want to get drunk?>
Why wouldn't elephants want to get drunk?

(real anwser: To help them forget.)
Fire Storm
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 04:17:58 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

i stumbled across this site quite by accident (was looking for porn) :) . Anyways, i was wondering if you guys could tell me a little about this message board. The site i came across was actually an archived version of this from last year some time when everyone was yelling at BENGALI about his/her(i think its her) religious beliefs. Now correct me if im wrong, but that wasnt a Gargoyle religious belief thing, was it? Also, do u guys know each other cuz it seems to be pretty tight knit
Quentin Loco - [el_quentin_loco@hotmail.com]
London, ON, Canada
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 03:38:37 PM
IP: cr243242-a.lndn1.on.wave.home.com

*ducks back in, shower basket in hand*

It has bee brought to my attention that my last post was �too short�. So, to make up for it, here is an interesting conversation I just had. (�The names have been altered, but the story is true.. .�)

Valentine says:
I want my LAAAAAAIIINNNN....
Lynati says:
�Warpmind can't even get back online until Friday; they have to replace the whole cable.
what happened?
Lynati says:
a tree fell and f&cked up the phone lines.
Valentine says:
(gyah. ...THERE'S sucky lick for you... )
Valentine says:
LUCK!
Valentine says:
LUCK!!!
Lynati says:
...
Lynati says:
suuuuuuuuuuuuuurree.
Valentine says:
oh my GOODNESS that was bad...
Valentine says:
O.O
Valentine says:
*is mortified*

Well, now you know how Val, supposed Good Christian Boy(TM), REALLY thinks... ];)

*exits*
Lynati Kshudra
South of Sanity
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 03:29:51 PM
IP: 207.94.232.230

*ducks in*

*scratches at red wax stuck on clothes and hair and face and other various portions of her anatomy*
It's 2:04 a.m., and I JUST got out of class.
...WAX is SOOOO fun!!! :D:D:D:D

RHPS: 'cause its massage is "don't dream it; BE it." a good message, in an entertaining wrapping. Plus, there is the fun of not just yelling in a movie theatre, not just yelling Obscenities in a movie theatre, but yelling obscenities as a part of a collective. Our culture lacks traditional songs for the most part; RHPS heckling may change some from theatre to theatre, like any dialect, but for the most part it is the same throughout the country. It's a belonging thing.
...or maybe I am overthinking it; the rice-throwing is fun enough.

Val: err...the soapy frogs? I don't have them right now; I lent them to a fellow freshman for an art project...

Gside:...but quite as bad as the cockroach cluster.

Imzadi: slow natives

Val again: wait; does that mean you DON'T want pics of the bikini I'm making??

*ducks out for a much-needed shower*
Lynati Kshudra
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 03:08:15 PM
IP: 207.94.232.230

sorry, but I needed to add something

Gunjack: I appear to have contradicted myself about where universal rights come from from this post and my previous one. They themselves are determined by morality. Their availability is determined by what society provides. Depending on the society, it may be determined by what society CAN provide (i.e. the US would like to be able to provide good education for everyone, but can't).
Josh again
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 02:37:18 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

"But you wanna justify rippin someone's head off" - Fred Durst

ARGH! I spent most of my evening on a SINGLE tech call, making a piddly $4 for nearly an hour of work, trying to get laundry done while waiting for my roommate to come home. He was supposed to be back at 5 (because we were supposed to go to Raleigh's and oogle hot chicks), but he didn't walk in till 9. A perfect day ruined by him being an absent-minded idiot.

On top of that, the tech call prevented me from calling home, which I was supposed to do (apparently, my family is worried because I haven't spoken to them in over a week).

In conclusion, I'm in a FOUL mood.

Sorow: <<things to work out and I'll miss you guys>>: Don't sound so depressed...makes us worry about you. <<take care of each other>>: We always do.

Doug: <<it "built character">>: Oh, getting beat up does build character, no doubt about it. Dealing with bullies made me the man I am today, and I'd rather die than be anyone else. But that still doesn't make it a good thing, and if those counselors couldn't figure that out they didn't deserve their job. Being a camp counselor is one of the most sacred jobs there is. Parents trust their children to you, and your job is to take what little time and influence you have and help them become better people. Can you tell I've spent some time as a camp counselor? <>: You're missing the point entirely. The movie is a piece of crap. You don't go for the movie. You go for the social scene. Mocking the movie is just one of the side bonuses. Hell, sometimes I don't even go *IN* the theater. <<SUV Bashing>>: Damn, that woman should be shot!

SUV bashing: Alright, now the gloves come off! ::takes off gloves...then realizes he isn't wearing any:: I'm 5'8", 115lbs, and I drive a 1.75 ton Jeep Grand Cherokee. There is a good reason that I do this: the car was given to me by my parents for $10000 when it was worth $15000. I'm used to be a really bad driver, but time, experience, and even a bit of maturity have improved me. I try to be very responsible on the road. I won't deny that me driving an SUV sucks for everyone ELSE on the road, but in the driving game, me and my passengers come first. And I can roll my jeep and everyone's gonna be fine. And that's a lot more important than YOU being able to see, especially when we're sitting still on the 405. However, I still say that SUV's are a bad thing, overall. They guzzle gas and they're a menace. Natural selection dictates that if all the sh*tty drivers out there drove normal cars instead of SUV's, they'd die in accidents and wouldn't produce any more sh*tty drivers (assuming its genetic, which I believe it is). If no one drove SUV's, it'd all be good. But people do. And as long as there are ditzy soccer mom's with suburbans, I'm gonna drive my jeep, thank you very much. I have a sense about my driving and about SUV's in general, even used to have a bumper sticker that said "I brake for no apparent reason". When I take over the world, there won't be any more SUV's or pickups in the hands of everyday people.

Coyote: <<saying SUV's are bad is kind of like saying guns are bad>>: Not quite. At least from an environmental perspective, the mere existence of SUV's guarantees damage. Not so for guns. But you're right that both only kill people in the hands of idiots.

Ravyn: <<since I'm into "macho" sorts of things>>: The reasoning, my dear, is based on a stereotype that all lesbians are butch, "macho" creatures that could kick any man's ass, just like the reasoning that any guy who's slightly feminine must be gay (I've been called gay because I shower once a day (occasionally twice, if I've been active)...I hang out with too many engineers, I guess).

Siofra: <<don't knock all red-heads just because a few people try to pull it off and fail miserably>>: At my high school, it became trendy for the sluts (and therefore, the wanna-be sluts) to dye their hair red. It was pretty funny. Kinda turned me off to red heads though...::checks out elf picture::...EXCEPT THAT ONE! Damn, she's cute! Is she single?

Gunjack: <<Like the mafia, but with more guns>>: LOL. <<or is it just broadway music in general?>>: Some closed-minded individuals think that anything that has to do with theater is fruity...I don't question their stupidity, I just accept it and insult them for it. <<we can debate the relative morality of Conventional or Low-Intensity warfare>>: Do we have to? <<THAT is the kind of class we don't see enough of nowadays>>: Wait till you see my roommate's derivative of it. In any case, I don't think posting that link would earn me a lot of friends or laughs. <<Just keep telling yourself that you're always right>>: Okay, I will. <<Am I right? : P>>: Left.

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Gunjack: <<The conclusion doesn't seem to follow logically>>: Well, its complicated. ::pulls out philosophy notes:: Objective values, by definition, motivate us to action and are independent of our desires. You're not going to believe me (and I'm not gonna bother explaining it), but Mackie's argument is there are no other types of values that BOTH motivate us to action AND are independent of desires. Therefore, he follows, objective values are SO different from any other types of values that we'd be unable to comprehend them even if they exist. I happen to disagree with him on those points.

Perhaps I wasn't clear on my view points. In my opinion, only morality can define a basic human right. There are some rights that we are entitled to by moral justification. But that doesn't mean we're going to get them, and there's very little we can do, short of revolution, to ensure that we DO get them (see US history, 1776-present). Our government has been "kind enough" to recognize as many rights as they do. China has not. But who's morals do you use to determine rights? Everyone's concept of morality is not the same.

<<integral to our existence as humans>>: Wait a minute. Who said that free speech is integral to our existence as humans? <<it isn't granted by a society or government>>: I double-dog-dare you to move to China and say that. <<Human Rights are simply moral principles translated into Law>>: Not necessarily. Like I said, there are many societies where morality is NOT translated into law. The residents of those societies are still ENTITLED to those rights, they simply do not have access to them. Yes, their government is wrong. <<Just because we aren't RECOGNIZING the rights of these people doesn't mean that the rights don't EXIST>>: Absolutely correct.

<<Do you think that morality is subjective also?>>: MY GOD YES. Morality is the single most subjective thing in the universe. There may be a few things that most people agree are wrong, but no one agrees on everything when it comes to morality. For instance, I find nothing morally wrong with cheating (not the relationship kind), and when it strikes my fancy and my need I do it, without remorse or afterthought. I won't go into what ELSE doesn't bother me, but you're right. The logical conclusions of my thoughts are pretty disturbing. And I'm not a moral model of any sort.

I was not raised with any moral teachings of any sort. My parents didn't tell me "don't do that because its wrong" they told me "don't do that because (insert punishment here)". Fear of reprisal keeps me in line more than anything else. If I'm convinced I'll get away with it, I'll do whatever strikes me. That's mostly why I'm not allowed to breed.
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Gside: <<Quite a good geek>>: Hey! I've know since 7th grade too! <<you've started using Rutgers quotes>>: They were too funny. I had to have them. <<You have an excuse>>: LOL. I'm gonna use that one...<<I'm pretty sure the smoke requires electricity in order to function properly>>: Then the computer runs on blue smoke AND electricity, contrary to what Aaron said. <<Left>>: DAMNIT! You posted that just before I did!

Riddle: CONGRATS TO GSIDE! HE GOT ONE!

New Riddle: Why do Elephants want to get drunk?

I got a good nights sleep. That's a euphamism for 'I didn't get any work done this week.'
- Roy Yates

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 02:27:04 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Gunjack> <<The -phobia part would mean you're AFRAID of that stuff, ne'?>>: Actually, it means afraid of the people, but close enough.
<<Does this mean we can scare you now?>>: Not really, I just like the word.
<<That's exactly what it means>>: Woot.
<<IIIIIIIIINCOMING!!!>>: Going to challenge Traveller for the record?
<>: Maybe, but I was drawing a parallel to a bit from their Kasparov/Deep Blue bit on Live Noise. I think you'd like it, but I won't post it because there's a naughty word.
<<Should we randomly blow the HIFL out of stuff?>>: I say that is always a good idea.
<<Why can't we have nice things>>: I'm incredibly cheap.
<<You're not the man I married>>: You sure? I can kill him to clear the way for us if you want.
<>: Tough luck, I'm officially a catholic.
<>: Good. Shall we give in to forbidden pleasures?
<<That one's for all you people who think I just spend my whole day playing with guns>>: There's also your PSL.
<<Rubber Ducky>>: You da one.

Lain> <>: Until? I consider that increadibly early.
<<what does it make you if youve known what an "imzadi" was since grade 7?>>: Quite a good geek.
<>: But do you have anything that bounces (to look at, that is)? I'm tellin gyou it can get hypnotic.
<<*I* wouldnt wanna look at penises all summer>>: Smart person. I'm pretty sure they the last thing designed in biology, after all creative and aesthetic juices ran out.

Imzadi> <<It means de-virginizer>>: I didn't want to blow her mind too much.
<>: You sure about that? You don't know what you're missing.
<<Why are elephants making wine?>>: Same reason as everyone else: to get drunk.
I see you've started using Rutgers quotes. Nice.

Revel> <<if I were to display something like that I'd be called a pervert>>: Yeah? Aren't you?
<<Disadvantage of being young and male>>: No, it's an advantage. You have an excuse.

Aaron> <<it is a deep secret plot>>: I thought it was Secret Plot Deep. So which do you like better, Miki or Mayumi?
<<it's a little known fact that computers run on blue smoke>>: What do you mean, little known? It's right there in the Jargon file, under magic smoke. And remember, Intel doesn't put power-on lights under the quartz windows on the tops of their EPROMs.

Gunjack> <<Don't make me pay Lynati to come after yall with that bucket of soapy frog>>: Worse than crunchy frog.

Imzadi> <<In light of California's power crisis, could you send me some blue smoke>>: But I'm pretty sure the smoke requires electricity in order to function properly.

Kitainia> <<In other words, the car is you. You are the car>>: See: Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics.

Gunjack> <<Though from what she's told me about their... uses, I've gotten the impression that they're more wriggly than anything>>: Please tell me you aren't lighting them on fire.
<<having one of your snipers put a bullet through the head of the enemy leader is a "war crime">>: Because the generals get to decide what is a war crime and what isn't.
<<Am I right?>>: Left.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 02:13:37 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Okay, so it IS working now. Peachy-keen.

Josh><<State pride is the most rediculous concept I've ever heard of, at least in the US of A.>> Rediculous, yes. Absurd? Absolutely. And not only do we revel in it, but we make it look GOOD. ; ) ...It's not really THAT rediculous, although I have a few friends who take it to extremes. We texans just think that we have a great piece of property, good government, and a boatload of nice people. And we're proud of it. *shrugs* Seems logical to me... <<All people in a single state are just not similar enough for you all to band together and say "*statename* rules!">> You would be very, VERY suprised... ; ) <<How on earth can so much unity be justified by the arbitrary drawing of state lines?>>It's attitude, not boundry. We're one big, happy family. Like the mafia, but with more guns.
<<Personally, I can't agree with this, as I'm a huge fan of the music from Les Mis and Guys 'n Dolls (of course, I'm biased because I played that music in my high school orchestra).>> Ummmmm... What the HECK is gay about Les Mis? o.O *can't comprehend that one* ...or is it just broadway music in general? : P <<Are they...ill-tempered soapy frogs?>> "Very ill-tempered, sir." ...really, you'd have to ask Lyn that. Though from what she's told me about their... uses, I've gotten the impression that they're more wriggly than anything. <<Amazing how "moral" people try to justify the incredible immorality of murder.>> Isn't it, though? Tell you what... After we get done with this go-around, we can debate the relative morality of Conventional or Low-Intensity warfare. Why is it that having your soldiers turn a few thousand of the enemy's 18-year-old conscripts into pink mist with artillary is "normal", but having one of your snipers put a bullet through the head of the enemy leader is a "war crime"? o.O <<I'll rule the world. What are the odds I won't have enough money to buy you (or have you killed, if you won't be bought)?>> Well, I don't think I'm buyable, so that leaves door #2... <<THAT vegeance link?>> Ooooooh yes. Now THAT, THAT is the kind of class we don't see enough of nowadays. <<My bad. My intolerance detectors were hyper-sensitive that post.>> No harm done. Actually, I find the whole thing fiendishly funny. <> There, there... Just keep telling yourself that you're always right, and everything will feel good again in the morning... ; )
And you know what's gonna kill our arguement? we're discussing "rights" and "Right and Wrong", which means we use the word "right" waaaaaaay too much. Am I right? : P

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Josh><<A philosopher, most widely known for stating that there are NO objective values because they'd have to be completely alien from anything we currently understand (don't ask).>> I ask. The conclusion doesn't seem to follow logically. And this is a spin on postmodernism that I haven't heard much about.
<<Yes, they are. As proof, I offer the histories of a million societies on this planet that did NOT offer the same rights that even we have in the US.>> If a Right is Objective, and integral to our existence as humans, then it isn't granted by a society or government. Rather, it is RECOGNIZED by the government; and should the government choose to ignore the Rights of it's citizens, then the government is wrong. If this is true, then it doesn't matter what those millions of societies chose (subjectively) to recognize as Rights; what matters is what the Rights REALLY ARE.
<<WHOA THERE! That is NOT what I said at ALL.>> Isn't it? Human Rights are simply moral principles translated into Law. We recognize that it is Wrong to interfere with someone's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness without a good reason (ie, they're hurting others), and so we take the religious/spiritual concept of Right and Wrong and translate it into the political/legal concept of a "Right". Both "Rights" and "Right and Wrong" assume an objective set of rules, and the first principle is based on the second. For Rights to be subjective, Right and Wrong must be, also.

<<However, "universal" rights are not determined by morality.>> I can only see two foundations for Rights to be based on: Morality, or Desire. Either I say you have a right because morality and logic SAYS you do, or I say you have a right because I want you to have it. And if the second option is chosen, doesn't it stand to reason that I could say I DIDN'T want you to have a right just as easily? <<They're determined by what society can reasonably provide.>> "Reasonably provide" is a scary phrase. China decided a few years back that they couldn't "Reasonably Provide" their citizens' right to free speech, and so they gunned down unarmed demonstrators. What if the government decides that it can no longer "Reasonably Provide" the Right of Free Speech? Or the Right to a trial?
If Government is the actual SOURCE of our rights, then they're meaningless. What government gives, government can take away. If my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness hinges on the opinion of some politico, then it's only a matter of time, ne'?

<<Which is (sadly) ABSOLUTELY THE CASE in this country. I refer you to marriage laws, hate crime laws, etc.>> Just because we aren't RECOGNIZING the rights of these people doesn't mean that the rights don't EXIST. It simply means that the "laws" are nothing of the kind (since we have said that any law that violates those rights is null and void, ne'?), and that they need to be removed.

<<We *may*. That doesn't mean we *should*, nor does it mean that it would be acceptable to do so. But it could happen.>> Only if they're subjective. And one other thing; you keep refering to morality as the basis for what we SHOULD do. Do you think that morality is subjective also? o.O

And for the record, I DON'T think you're a bigot. I do think that the logical results of your position are pretty horrific, though, which is why I'm trying to prove it.
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Gunjack "Flibberdegibbet" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 01:15:26 PM
IP: ac9ad4ef.ipt.aol.com

testing, one two three... Hey Moe! Is this thing on?

AOL and IE are now BOTH locking me out. Maybe it'll work THIS time, though... If so, what's the problem?
Gunjack Valentine
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 01:13:03 PM
IP: ac9ad4ef.ipt.aol.com

Ravyn: In other words, the car is you. You are the car. :)

Me, I'll take a motorbike over a car any day. I can drive, and drive well, but I'm far more comfortable on the Road Moccassin. Probably because I learned motorcycles before cars. <shrugs>
Kit
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 12:47:08 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.104.dlls.grid.net

Coyote> Hm...I agree with you on your SUV opinions. Then again, I am a sports car person. ;) But just to add some friendly debate...<<driving a vehicle that they *know for sure* they can operate safely (take for instance one cashier at the store who's 4' 9 and 98 pounds soaking wet, but drives a half-ton Suburban)>> Well...I'm a just a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier than that cashier...and I operate a very large and powerful drag racing car. The feeling that you're sitting on top of somewhere over 500 rumbling horsepower is something you can't take lightly...but it really has very little to do with size. More like strength, and skill, and knowledge, and maybe stamina. Strength, I guess, in the sense that it wasn't power steering, so you had to really *turn* the darn thing, and you had to hold the wheel and the pedals at the right times...but mainly skill, to know what you're doing and be in the right frame of mind. And also a sense of knowing the car, listening to every sound and feeling every vibration. You can tell if something's even slightly wrong that way, especially if you helped build the darn thing from the frame up. ;) So I guess I'm just trying to say that size doesn't matter for cars. ;) The only way it mattered for me was that we had to make some modifications (the placement of the shifter and the seat) to accomodate that. ;) So size isn't the only thing about driving. ;) **hugs** Ach, sweetie, you got me off on a car rant...you have such a silly effect on me. ;) No offense intended, love. ;)

Of course, the car I regularly drive is a small turbocharged sports car...again, lots of power, but nowhere near as large and powerful as the drag car. My street car matches my size according to Coyote's theory much better. Anyone going to the Gathering may have the opportunity to meet that car, if they want. :) Or you can ask Coyote about it after June. :)
Ravyn - [More Car Talk]
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 12:22:14 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

*quasi-crashlands in the CR*
Whew, finally have a few minutes to myself! Been working pretty much since I've been home from college. Don't even have all my stuff unpacked, but at least I like my job. I'm working at a greenhouse down the road from me...my family has been going there for years for the plants for our garden, so I figured it would be a good summer job. Lots of hours and manual labor, but pays well. Great for those tree-hugger types such as myself :)

Don't really have too much to say, I was just catching up on the posting (I really miss my dorms internet connection) and thought I'd pop in and say HI!

greg: by the way, don't knock all red-heads just because a few people try to pull it off and fail miserably ;)

Oooooh...cars :)
I have a full-sized F-150 Ford pickup that has slightly oversized tires. You would not believe the odd looks people give me (5'4"/120lbs) , and when they find out that its a manual, they're really impressed ;)

Ooh, and if anyone wants to see the picture of me in my elf costume at halloween, click on the link! My friend was cool enough to put it up on his webpage :)

Well, I'll be off now...Have a wonderful night everyone!

Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 12:11:56 PM
IP: dialup-63.212.144.193.dial1.detroit1.level3.net

**Rav skips into the CR again** Whoa, some serious topics being batted around...;)

Coyote> <<straight as a camshaft>> I can back this up, everyone. He is. ;) And I LOVE all your wonderful car-related similies. ;) **hugs**

Now, this whole gay stereotyping thing is weird to me...I've had guys assume that I'm gay since I'm into "macho" sorts of things, like working on cars and auto racing, and not "feminine" sorts of things...never could figure out the reasoning behind it. Oh, well. ;) Any insight would be appreciated. ;) Like Coyote, I'll say I'm as straight as a quarter mile stretch of drag strip. :)

Doug> Okay, that's just plain awful about the little boy left in the SUV. Come on, that's just irresponsible. Ugh. :( I'm glad you came across him, though. Just might have saved him.

Imzadi> Ohhh...so THAT'S what "Imzadi" means...;) <<(I AM INVINCIBLE!) ::twirls pen in fingers::>> **laughs** :) <<All people in a single state are just not similar enough for you all to band together and say "*statename* rules>> Arizona Rules!!! :) And no, all Arizonans are nowhere near similar...but that's the beauty of it all. ;) I don't get the whole state pride thing either when I try to analyze it, but I'm proud of my state. :) And yes, Coyote has TONS of great car talk...similies, jokes, everything...it's verrrrry nice. :)
Ravyn "mmm, Car Talk" Maza
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 11:38:47 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Doug, re: SUV's: To tell the truth ... saying SUV's are bad is kind of like saying guns are bad. It's kind of unfair to the gun, and it's kind of unfair to the SUV. But that's my opinion.
However, I've encountered far too many *stupid* people driving SUV's on the roads here ... not *everyone* mind you, because there are some responsible SUV drivers out there ... but I've noticed way too many irresponsible drivers behind the wheels of cavernous SUV's, many of them having no concept of only driving a vehicle that they *know for sure* they can operate safely (take for instance one cashier at the store who's 4' 9 and 98 pounds soaking wet, but drives a half-ton Suburban). And unfortunately, this leads to another stereotype ...

I'd estimate 6 out of every 10 irresponsible SUV driver I've seen has been driving a large-sized SUV ... with a sticker on the back for some children's soccer team. That's not to say that *all* soccer moms who drive SUV's are irresponsible ... but unfortunately it seems a large quantity of them are.

But that's just my opinion, based on my observations.
Coyote the Bando
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 11:25:11 AM
IP: 64.243.214.105

SOROW: We'll miss you. Good luck doing what you have to do.

SJ: FYI, I was not bragging. I was just stating that the episode happened. I also stated that I was only thirteen at the time, that should have been a hint right there that I did the right thing in beating the hell out of that jerk. I did not amend the situation except by telling you the whole story, which apparently you needed to hear. As for your stereotyping, well, I did not appreciate it at all. I did not consider what you said a parody, there was nothing funny about it. I hope you will get down off your high horse and apologize, you know I'm right here. I do not mean to imply you are the bad guy, I simply ask where you get the idea that liking a certain kind of music makes a person gay, why you think you need to state this to the world, take offense at it being implied that I am gay because of this stupid stereotyping of yours, and demand an apology. That's it. I hope you'll do the right thing.

Coyote: I'm right with you on Broadway musicals.

Imzadi: Thanks for your apology, I accept it. I didn't think I needed to tell the whole story in here at first, I did tell it once in here a long time ago but I guess I forgot that was before your arrival in the CR. Like I said above, my mention of being 13 at the time should have been a bigtime hint. I had just entered puberty at that age, and as you could probably imagine any sexual advances were very disturbing to me. That it happened at a summer camp where I sucked at just about every activity, five out of seven guys in my cabin were bullies who teased me mercilessly (the jerk I beat up was the worst of them), and the counselors were lazy snobs who refused to put a stop to their bullying because it "built character". Forgive me if I have never gotten that concept. <sighs> I'm sorry I didn't tell the whole story at first, thank you for making it clear I needed to. I'm still wondering where you got the idea that liking a certain kind of music makes a person gay. <RHPS> I've tried it. I don't mind hanging with social rejects, they're cool people, I myself am a social reject. At the same time, I don't get what's so good about a movie with enormous plot holes, a script full of boring cliches, characters who take advantage mentally and sexually of other characters (raping them, to use a strong word), and which lacks a satisfactory ending. Keep in mind this is all just my opinion. <Texas-bashing> Now that is just unfair. And untrue. I'm not a homophobe. Kit's not. We're from Texas. Did you miss the part in my post about having gay friends, even a gay older brother? I guess so. Please don't stereotype or discriminate, ok? It's wrong every time.

Let's change the subject. I'll do a little SUV-bashing now. SUVs are bad because you can't see around them very well on the freeway, yes, but you know why else they're bad? They're so big, with so much space inside, that you can forget all too easily what's inside them. Like today at work, where I had to deal with a scared child (5-7 year old boy) locked inside a Suburban. He'd fallen asleep in its backseat on the way to the store, you see, and his mother forgot he was there, left him there, while she and his sister, who also forgot, went inside. I was paging them to come out there via my radio when they came running back and were of course horrified at what they had done. I advised them not to forget such a thing again, then left them to reconcile with the kid, who woke up and found himself alone in a locked car on a hot day with all the windows rolled up. Not good. I hope reconciliation was possible. :(
Doug
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 11:14:44 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.69.dlls.grid.net

Gay Bashing- Hmmm, I had my share of that. The last time someone tried to beat was because they thought I looked at them in the halls, He called me faggot punshed twice in chest and told never to look at him in the halls again, besids why would I he is a ugly male. I haven't been bashed that much sense then but I was called a faggot like today but thats what we Homosexuals have to deal with closed minded ass holes! Oh and people can tell I'm Gay cause I'm feminine kind used to be feminine Goth but my dress code is changeing.
Sexy Queer - [craft_celtic@yahoo.com]
Ohio
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 11:08:54 AM
IP: chil-vdsl-nrp-1.bright.net

Hi guys. I know it really won't be any different, but I'm not going to be posting in here for several days, maybe weeks. I have some things to work out and I'll miss you guys. Take care of each other and I love you all.
SOROW
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 10:35:31 AM
IP: a020-0805.dll2.splitrock.net

Today is a beautiful day in Berkeley. Its sunny, clear, about 70 with a gust of wind. It should be like this up here ALL the time. Anyway, I finally finished my programming project (I AM INVINCIBLE!) ::twirls pen in fingers:: So I have no more assignments until finals start on May 12. JOY!

Texas Bashing: There were a couple words that I said before I started "bashing" Texas: IF SO. That means there was a conditional. The conditional (namely that all Texans were homophobes) has not been filled. Therefore I have no desire to nuke Texas or sterilize all Texans or whatever else.

State pride is the most rediculous concept I've ever heard of, at least in the US of A. All people in a single state are just not similar enough for you all to band together and say "*statename* rules!" Personally, I wouldn't want to be associated with more than 50% of the people in my state. How on earth can so much unity be justified by the arbitrary drawing of state lines?

Revel: <<I'd be called a pervert>>: I doubt it. Only one way to find out for sure...<<gathering>>: See you there, dude.

Kyryn: <<everyone in California is a fruit, nut, or surfer>>: Um, everyone in CA *IS* a fruit, nut, or surfer. I'm in the 2nd category. <>: Like I told Doug and Kit, I wasn't aware that the approach had reached anything beyond words. I, too, would react violently to anyone not taking the hint. <<Would the situation create such an outcry if it had been a woman being accosted by a man?>>: No. It would have created TWICE the outcry.

Aaron: <<TELL THE ADMINS. It's what we're here for>>: Yes, it is...but only when the situation gets out of hand. If Lain had told us to shove it, THEN we'd have gone to the admins. But there's really no reason to involve another person when simply asking the offending person to stop will suffice. Its like telling the teacher in elementary school: to be used only as a last resort. <<Am I over reacting?>>: Perhaps a little, but I think you're honestly just trying to make sure everyone's treated fairly. A good job, so far. <<you'll be too busy flaming me to flame each other!>>: We make time for the things we love...<<a switchblade disguised as a cross>>: Perfect for holding up the dude in the confessional booth! <<I'm going to have to kill you>>: It'll be hard if you're in Texas... 8-) j/k, see above comment on Texas bashing. <<take that under advisement>>: Took it pretty quickly, I see! <<computers run on blue smoke>>: In light of California's power crisis, could you send me some blue smoke!?

Coyote: <<where the stereotype of men who *like* listening to Broadway musicals being gay came from>>: NOTE: I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO WHAT I"M ABOUT TO TELL YOU! I think its a "gay by association" thing (as if such a thing were possible). You listen to music from plays filled with gay people, then you, too, must be gay. Personally, I can't agree with this, as I'm a huge fan of the music from Les Mis and Guys 'n Dolls (of course, I'm biased because I played that music in my high school orchestra). <<I'm as straight as a camshaft>>: An excellent simile, given your interests.

Gunjack: <<bucket of soapy frogs>>: Are they...ill-tempered soapy frogs? <<so it's for the good of mankind>>: Amazing how "moral" people try to justify the incredible immorality of murder. <<Assuming he doesn't pay me enough>>: I'll rule the world. What are the odds I won't have enough money to buy you (or have you killed, if you won't be bought)? <<vengeance link in the CR>>: You mean the ******.com that has something to do with the argument between me and doug? THAT vegeance link? <<You misunderstood>>: My bad. My intolerance detectors were hyper-sensitive that post. <<totally fair, objective, and dispassionate observer>>: I try. I really do. But sometimes people get the better of me. <<who's Mackie?>>: A philosopher, most widely known for stating that there are NO objective values because they'd have to be completely alien from anything we currently understand (don't ask). <<those rights are TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE>>: Yes, they are. As proof, I offer the histories of a million societies on this planet that did NOT offer the same rights that even we have in the US. <<society that decides that you have a right>>: Yup. <<all the men voted that women HAVE no rights>>: The problem would be...? <<the men would be correct>>: As usual. <<there is nothing wrong with the powerful group doing ANYTHING IT WANTS>>: WHOA THERE! That is NOT what I said at ALL. You went from "universal rights" to "right and wrong" and those are completely different things. There is nothing morally RIGHT about a society deciding that a minority has no rights. However, "universal" rights are not determined by morality. They're determined by what society can reasonably provide. <>: Which is (sadly) ABSOLUTELY THE CASE in this country. I refer you to marriage laws, hate crime laws, etc. <<WE MAY RESCIND THOSE RIGHTS AT ANY TIME>>: We *may*. That doesn't mean we *should*, nor does it mean that it would be acceptable to do so. But it could happen. <<they would be RIGHT>>: Not in my eyes. But maybe in theirs. <<Who's the bigot again?>>: I'm only intolerant of stupid people.

SJ: Every day, we are sounding more and more alike. And its scaring me, sir. <<It's parody to say "everyone who listens to this type of music or this artist is gay">>: And indeed, I was kidding when I said it. My dad listens to Savage Garden, and I'm pretty sure he's straight (or hiding it REALLY well). <>: You're right. We shouldn't question the sexuality of people who listen to bad pop music. We should question their taste and give them all hearing aids cuz they're obviously deaf ;-)

Beth H: <<He asked because he says David acts rather feminine>>: Usually a dead give-away. <<I'll just have to test to see if he's gay>>: I don't think I wanna know, even with my mind permanently located in the gutter as it is. <<All good looking men are either taken, or gay>>: I've heard a variant on that: a female friend of mine says "I'm trying to find a good looking, sensitive man. But it seems they all already have boyfriends." Anyway, your statement is not true. There are good looking men who aren't taken OR gay. But there are other reasons why they're not seeing anyone. For instance, they might be sadistic evil bastards. They might just not be ready for a relationship.

I can't really pronounce that word so I refuse to solve for those.
- Roy Yates

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 10:30:48 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

*enters*

Speaking of homosexuality...

One of my classmates in 4th period asked me if David was gay!!! >.< He asked because he says David acts rather feminine. Well, he's NOT gay!!! I have plans for this boy and they include lots of snuggling after Senior Ball! I'll just have to test to see if he's gay. ;P

I believe there's a very common saying among single girls. "All good looking men are either taken, or gay." That seems to be the case where I live. :P
Beth H.
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 10:09:24 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

This is probably not even worth the time and effort but anyway....

Doug, I DID read your post carefully, and as Josh has pointed out, you did not, anywhere, talk about how some guy molested you. That was a story you amended as soon as the two of us said something. All I saw was you bragging (and I can't think of it in any other way than that) about how you put some guy in the hospital because he hit on you. Based upon the information given (or lack thereof), I think my words were appropriate.

And please, even gay people have the sense of humor to parody their own stereotypes. Stereotypes are all inherently ridiculous anyway. It's parody to say "everyone who listens to this type of music or this artist is gay".

Don't deflect this to me. You bash some guy's face in, even if they did deserve it, and somehow I'm the bad guy because I make a joke about the sexuality of those who listen to bad pop music. Please.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 09:39:16 AM
IP: 66-44-71-233.s487.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Well, since A-Kon is all but falling in my lap, I might as well try to get out to it. So if Jeff's free (he'd want in on it, and I'm not letting my parents within a MILE of an anime convention), I'm game.

Jannie><<ohwait, was this overstepping my boundaries again? excuse me if it was.>> I think ye'll get away with it, lass... But JUST THIS ONCE. ; )
o.O
Waitaminute... Did I just overstep MY bounds!? Aaack! People might say I was acting like an admin! They'll stone me publicly! I'm sorry! *Is incinerated by Divine CR Admin Wrath From On High*
:P
Lighten up, people... Everyone's been acting all crotchety. Don't make me pay Lynati to come after yall with that bucket of soapy frogs she's hiding behind her back.

Aaron><<I'm growing more and more certain that I'm going to have to kill you...>> I got dibs. And I'm going to do it after he ascends to dictitorial power, so it's for the good of mankind. Assuming he doesn't pay me enough or convince Lain to bump me off, that is.

Josh><> I do too, actually. Debate is my biggest hobby (check the archives back toward the beginning of last winter if ya don't believe me...). But when the arguement comes between me and someone I love, THAT'S not cool. Fortunately, it wasn't that bad. <<Not all gay guys talk with lisps. Just stereotypical ones.>> Dude, if I gotta be gay, I'm gonna be GAAAAAAAAAAAAY. Up to and including whacking the police officers with certain rubber objects. ; ) Which reminds me... you really SHOULD have posted that vengeance link in the CR; I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. <<At rocky in LA, gay people make up a portion of the audience (though never a majority). Are you afraid of gay people?>> You misunderstood. If I attend Rocky, it will be in NYC, because Lynati has dragged me there. I strongly suspect that she is trying to get me In Trouble(tm), so I'm trying to prepare myself beforehand. <<There's a difference between being conservative and being a bigot (though a blurred one, I'll admit).>> ...said the totally fair, objective, and dispassionate observer. ; ) <<There aren't any inherently universal rights.>> Responce at the bottom of the post. And who's Mackie? o.O <<That, my friends, was a mouthful.>> You ain't seen nothin' yet, laddie... ; )

Josh><<There aren't any inherently universal rights.>> Then we're screwed. Because if there aren't inherent rights, then... <<As a society, we get together and agree on what should and should not be a basic human right...>> ....which means that those rights are TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE. Which means the society that decides that you have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is no better than the society that says you have the right to be murdered by the government because they want your property.
Also, since you can never have total agreement by the entire population that something is or isn't a right, one segment of society WILL make a decision that they will then force other segments to follow. For example, if a society with more men than women decided to vote on what were and were not Rights, and all the men voted that women HAVE no rights, the men would be correct.
In other words, you've just said that a group of people with more power (whether in the form of a majority, or of governmental power) than a second group of people, there is nothing wrong with the powerful group doing ANYTHING IT WANTS with the weaker group. It may exterminate them, or sell them as slaves, or (if it feels like it) give them equal rights.
And since our country decides issues such as this through democracy, you have just declared that small minorities (such as gays) only have rights BECAUSE WE HAVE DECIDED TO ALLOW THEM TO, and that WE MAY RESCIND THOSE RIGHTS AT ANY TIME! If our nation took a vote tomorrowe, and the majority decided that all homosexuals needed to die, you are saying that they would be RIGHT.

Who's the bigot again? ; )
*******************END ARGUEMENT CLINIC********************
Gunjack "Darning Needle Dragonfly" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 09:26:57 AM
IP: acad5e2c.ipt.aol.com

Whoo boy ... temperature's starting to rise in here ... I think I'll just drop my two cents on both grand topics of debate/hatred-slinging ...

Gay-stereotyping: All the music stereotyping leads to another question ... I know for sure where the stereotype of theater/Broadway actors all being gay comes from ... I just want to know where the stereotype of men who *like* listening to Broadway musicals being gay came from. I just don't get it. Most of the best music I've found came from Broadway shows, and my favorite singer and pop composer (Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman) got their careers started on Broadway doing musicals. I just don't get it, especially because newer Broadway is nowhere *near* as ... well, can't think of a better word than "limp" ... as modern Broadway.

And as probably everyone here can attest by how occasionally-sickeningly saccharine myself and Ravyn can be sometimes ... I'm as straight as a camshaft.

Texas/state pride: I can understand where the Texans are comin' from. Truth be told, I'd be as pissed if not more. Sounds about similar to my pride as having been an MSU student when my team gets badmouthed by opposing fans (*cough*Michigan*cough*). It's tasteless and uncalled for.
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 09:25:36 AM
IP: 64.243.214.105

Aaron and Robby> I guess what threw me was that both of you reprimended me over something that is done in here quite often and yet I've not once seen ya'll tell anyone else these same things. I've seen many times when someone didn't like what someone else was doing and they told them so in here. I wasn't even saying anything to Lain that was original.... it had already been said by Kai. (Not just to Lain, but to everyone in general) Was I singled out because I said something to Lain??
This is a closed subject as far as I'm concerned. I will no longer bother anyone.

Josh> *cringes* bashing Texans is not a good thing.... if Texans are one thing, they are a very proud bunch of people and it really does offend them when someone that is not a Texan says anything negative about Texas/Texans.
ohwait, was this overstepping my boundaries again? excuse me if it was.
Jannie
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 08:05:23 AM
IP: modem20-224.mo-net.com

Jannie, Josh, I agree, yell at was a poor choice of words, and you weren't yelling. I did not mean to imply you had no rights at all, but people, if you have a problem with someone or something, TELL THE ADMINS. It's what we're here for.

Jannie again> I sort of figured you had no email at the moment, else I would have talked to you that way rather then posting.

I'm a little new at this Admin thing, and I'd like opinions. Am I over reacting? Am I being a prick?

If so, good! This is my secret plot! (And yes, it is a deep secret plot. ;) ) I will make all of you hate me so much, you'll be too busy flaming me to flame each other! ;)

Josh> <<You have a cross that shoots people? Is that only available in texas?>> Sadly, no. It's a Trigun riff. I do, however, have a catalog that sells a switchblade disguised as a cross. <<Someone was shopping late..>> Well, I didn't have the credit before last month. <<Nuking Texas>> I'm growing more and more certain that I'm going to have to kill you...

Welcome Wingedbeast.

Gside> <> Yeah, the ending did seem a bit of a cop out.

Lain> <<New posting scheme>> We'll, um, take that under advisement.

Caliope> <<lol what'll we say when we're 30?!?!!? :P>> What, you'll have to speak up little lady, my hearing aid's broken?

Spike> Robby and I are going to A-Kon. Are you going to be there, or just be selling art? <<what kinds of art would sell well there.>> Well, stuff like your FFC piece, obviously. ;) But seriously, (or at least semi-seriously) almost anything can sell there. It's just a question of matching the right piece with the right buyer. Ask Robby for details, he tells the story better then me. ;)

Later.

Which reminds me, it's a little known fact that computers run on blue smoke. It's true, because whenever you let the smoke out of your computer, it stops working. Largo, MegaTokyo.

Aaron (Not Robby) - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 06:27:44 AM
IP: 209.33.140.102

****Kyryn steps into the room.****

Josh><<Is everyone in Texas a homophobe!? >> No, most definitely not -- just as not everyone in California is a fruit, nut, or surfer. That particular comment (especially if not meant in jest) was rather poorly worded and inflammatory. At the moment, you just happen to be dealing with a number of people who have had bad experiences with the topic at hand and are commenting on them. Personally, I might react the same way if I was accosted by someone coming on to me, not taking the hint, then getting to the point of physical assault. Would the situation create such an outcry if it had been a woman being accosted by a man?

On the lighter side of things, I still find it funny that a word that originally meant "happy" gets so many people upset because its meaning and usage have changed.

Revel> Sorry to hear that, but I hope that you enjoy the Gathering when you go to it.

Later, All!

****Kyryn steps out the door.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 05:42:49 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Thank all gods, goddesses and or any other type of worshiping icon. I can now officially declare that I'm am done with graphic design... for now. I'm broke from the outragious bill from the printer shop, but I'm done. Let's see christmas isn't too far away, I can wait for to get a bigger printer. (yeah right)

Kyryn- Saddly no I will not be attending or summiting work to A-kon. Several reasons, I'm in college there for I am poor and the only reason I am going to the Gathering is by emptying my savings and a credit card. Also, I'll be in school again this summer and working. I know these are lame excuses but they're good enough for me.

Ideal woman- this topic reminds me of that line from Six Days Seven Nights.
"You want to know how a woman lights a man's fire, she shows up. That's it, we're easy we're guys." So that's my opinion on that. Besides I already bordering on "Let's just be friends" and a real relationship catagories with this one girl I'm seeing so I don't want to jinx anything.

I think I already did the song thing but I'd like to add "Hells Bells" to my AC/DC list because that's how I feel right now.

Spike- you know it's really not fair. That drawing you did for th FanFic Fight Club was beautiful but if I were to display something like that I'd be called a pervert. Disadvantage of being young and male. It was really good though.

Gunjack- right wing? Why settle for that when you can have two wings! (bad joke, but I had to:))

"Don't worry, I know what I'm doing."
-Famous Last Words-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton , tx
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 05:20:59 AM
IP: acafd1e2.ipt.aol.com

Gside: <<Betazed for "the first">>: It means de-virginizer, damnit! <<Compared to men or women?>>: Both. I've got small, skinny hands with long slender fingers. And they're SO useful ::evil grin:: <<beer drinking and ehs>>: The "eh's" I can master. Its the beer that's got me worried. They serve at 18 there? <<Zoophile>>: I didn't mean a LITERAL tiger, sicko. <<those aren't the parts we usually see>>: Yeah and they're aged a few years too!

Is everyone in Texas a homophobe!? If so, I am NUKING that state when I conquer the world. And here's a note to anyone thinking about going to Rocky on the saturday night of gathering: THERE WILL BE GAY PEOPLE THERE. THEY MIGHT HIT ON YOU. If you respond by assaulting them, I will see to it that you are thrown into the middle of Santa Monica Blvd. And even at midnight, that's not a safe place to be lying unconscious.

Gunjack: <<Argueing ain't half as much fun>>: I disagree. I love to argue, just for its own sake. Its fun! And you really get to test your opponent's intellect. The stupider person in an argument is the one who turns to mother insults first. <<Does that mean I need to thtart talking with a lithp?>>: Not all gay guys talk with lisps. Just stereotypical ones. <<Lyn? Is there somethin' ya wants ta be tellin' me?>>: At rocky in LA, gay people make up a portion of the audience (though never a majority). Are you afraid of gay people? <<We're ALL right-wingers>>: There's a difference between being conservative and being a bigot (though a blurred one, I'll admit). <<what defines a basic human right>>: There aren't any inherently universal rights. As a society, we get together and agree on what should and should not be a basic human right. Humans do have rights to education and medical care, but those cost money and are not always provided. They SHOULD be rights, but they're just to expensive to provide to everyone. Free speech, life, liberty, etc, don't cost our government anything, so its easy to say they're "inalienable", more so that medical care. How do we decide? Well...Mackie would say that there are certain things which we as individuals desire -- such as prosperity and life. If everybody within a society desires the same thing, then reasonably the best society is the one which maximizes those values, which is inevitably the society which ensures a person's freedom to pursue those values.

That, my friends, was a mouthful.

Doug and Kit: My sincerest apologies. I did not realize the guy actually tried to molest you. But you didn't mention that in your post (all you said was that you bashed his head repeatedly into a steel pole), so from my reading it looked like some guy tried to ask you out and you assaulted him for his trouble. My bad. <<the only one in here who fails to understand this thing's appeal?>>: That's a complicated question. Most people in here are attracted to an environment filled with socially rejected people, and I have a great time there (cuz socially rejected chicks put out!), but I can see how someone would not find it appealing. But as my best friend says, "Don't knock it till you've tried it".

Spike: <<artwork>>: Well, its beautiful! Do you have a drawing of yourself as a gargoyle, anthropomorph, human, or whatever you'd like to include in my icon set?

ART-CHICKS.COM CHICKS: same question about artwork you'd like made into an icon.

DPH: <<windows BF>>: Windows butt-f*ck? Is that where Bill Gates comes over to your house, bends you over and rapes you while saying "what's your operating system!? Say the names of your five most important system files, b*tch!" <<If Windows was to be bug-free>>: I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. The Micro$haft monopoly means they don't have to fix ANYTHING if they don't want to. <<I'm TWENTY-FOUR YEARS OLD>>: And you're still living with your dad? You should be earning your keep somehow. If you're not paying rent, you should be helping with utilities or helping with chores around the house. Your dad my be an idiot, but he does have a valid point. You live under someone else's roof, you live by their rules.

Lain: <<used betazoid dating technique before>>: You go to weddings naked?

Riddle: Why are elephants squishing grapes? To make wine.

New Riddle: Why are elephants making wine?

As always there is a good chance I will be checking e-mail by clamping down my teeth onto the overhead wires and whistling modem tones if necessary.
- Aaron Richton

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 05:12:45 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Hello Everyone

How are all of you? I am well and wrapping the last few weeks of my senior year of high school. That's why I haven't been around much.

AN ANNOUNCEMENT

1. My series "Future Tense" will be airing in early June.

Ok now a few questions

<Winterwolf> How the heck are ya? Answer me here or in an email.

<Emambu> What did you think of the last story? Your thoughts ( and grammar comments) are always welcome.

<DPH> Hi how is it going? The Yahoo group won't work for me. So I guess I'm screwed.

That's all I guess.

Gee I thought I had more to say.

Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 05:03:01 AM
IP: 216.117.75.203

****Kyryn appears.****

Gunjack> You've never heard of A-kon?!? Well, hopefully Spike's post will have corrected that by now! **Cue eerie music** Come and join us.....

BTW, you'll get an opportunity to meet Spike, myself, Robby, Aaron, and probably Skippy the Klingon. And, speaking of various people in the metroplex area...

Hey, Revel! I know that you're heading back home in the next week or so. Are you gonna come back up for A-kon?

***Kyryn vanishes.***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 11:06:03 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

*slinks in with a yawn*
mmmmmm went to bed at 2 but couldnt sleep for the loongest time last night but.. i slept in to make up for it (ie i didnt get out of bed till 8 30) were going to see the lion king musical today so.. should be fun and review shall be forthcoming. : )

gside>> erm.. what does it make you if youve known what an "imzadi" was since grade 7? and um.. used betazoid dating technique before..
and um.. ya there IS a lot of beer up here eh? and um.. i hear its GOOD beer too eh? but i dont like beer so i dont drink it none, eh?
musea in TO.. theres also the ROM (royal ontario museum) with all the armour and swords and guns and old pottery and dead bugs stuck to walls.. and of course the CN tower which is fun to go up.. and the skydome, which is fun to look at.. and the waterfront, which is lovely to take romantic walks on.. and.. no wait.. thats IMZY whos gonna be there.. sorry, scrap that last one..
TO USED to have a really AWESOME planetarium but.. last i heard it was a startrek museum thingie. NO WAIT!! THE MUSEUM OF NATURAL SCIENCE!!!!! YEAH!!!! sorry my bad, there IS a good science museum but.. its a little ways outside of the downtown-ish regions of the city so.. they also have a bata shoe museum?
of course, there is the ever popular queens park.. grab a sign and demonstrate!!!!! "SOOOOOLIDARITY FOREEEEEEEEEEEVER!!!!" heh heh heh... *I* protested once... it was FUN.. and some corporate sponsorship watching cos of the TO olympic bid.. thats always good too.. OH and how could i forget the bloor street viaduct where you might a) see a suicide or b) see that woman who occasionally causes multi-kilometer long traffic jams by standing on the bridge with her trenchcoat open.. (still dont think the cops have managed to catch her.. smart woman, that ; ))

and thats all the stuff you can do during the DAY... at NIGHT however.. heh heh heh heh... ; )

and now for another exciting episode of What Lain and Gunjack Talk About all Day!!!!!! todays topic?
EQUALITY:

jacob says:
and even though its legal, ill never go topless either
Valentine says:
(ALSO good.) out of cureosity, how many women DO? (IMO, that's one of the STUPIDEST laws ever to come out... sorry, but it ISN'T healthy for the male population... women running around in bikini tops is bad enough..)
jacob says:
well wah.. if guys can go topless, so can girls.. not very many, BTW, and they mostly do it in their back yards..
Valentine says:
somehow, I doubt that the sight of a shirtless guy does to girls what the sight of a shirtless girl does to GUYS.
jacob says:
thats cos of how youve been trained
Valentine says:
oh REALLY? *raises an eyebrow*
jacob says:
if you saw breasts every day for your entire life i think youd be able to avoid *boing* factor..
Valentine says:
this is true. if I saw total nudity every day of my life, THAT wouldn't affect me either! so should we all go nude in the summer?
jacob says:
... well *I* wouldnt wanna look at penises all summer.. dunno about you but... eeeeigh..
Valentine says:
LOL! you've a point there...

well.. thats about it for now..
oh wait.. one last thing:
warpmind>> *sings* we love you waaarpmind, oh yes we doooo, we love you waaarpmind, and well be truuuuuue, when youre not near us, were bluuuuuuuue, oh waaarpmind, we. love. you!!

see you guys later,
love,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 10:51:07 AM
IP: ttye0d.ptbo.igs.net

Doug-situation - Hmm. I do not know if I would have had that much restraint.

Alright I finished backing up my homepage to my hd. The new versions of the FTP program is definitely cool.

3 days in a row and counting. Look out fellow co-workers because of what I am putting up with at home.

Did I mention a while back that the only OS I want is Windows:BF? BF standing for Bug-Free. If Windows was to be bug-free, that would be a new feature that would definitely be a very strong selling point.

**IDIOT RANT**
He complains about me not paying utility bills, etc and then wants me to mow the yard. I would not mind help paying the utility bill and other bills if it would get him off my back. It's just like everything else that comes from him: All he wants is control and he will not give it up. Time-out, I'm TWENTY-FOUR YEARS OLD; I should be able to make most of my own decisions including when/how much I sleep. I repeat myself: Who needs Father's Day? I don't. Have I mentioned that he does not understand why I would want to move out?
**END IDIOT RANT**

That's all, folks. I'm not in a happy mood, having to deal with the idiot 3 days in a row.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 10:08:18 AM
IP: max1-3.cwy.cei.net

A-kon is the largest anime/fantasy convention in the Southwest. G99 rented the displays for the art show from Phoenix Entertainment, which started off as the A-kon art show but now runs art shows all over D/FW.

Kyryn>> Thanks! I'm planning to have mostly fantasy work but I figure it can't hurt to know my audience.
Spike - [<==<< A-kon]
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 09:09:19 AM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-170.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

***Kyryn steps in.***

Spike> <A-kon art show?>Lessee....cute girls, cute girls with big guns and/or mecha, cute guys, big mecha with guns, etc. Come to think of it....a cute garg babe with a mech would probably sell. On the more serious side, your style should catch the eye and sell pretty well. A-kon can be a mixed bag with the art show. Folks' tastes there tend to run the gamut. Now that I know that you'll be putting up some pieces I'll be sure to set aside some money for the show. I like your style.

Later, All!

****Kyryn vanishes.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 08:49:33 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Kryryn - Spike just reminded me. What's the deal with A-kon? I've heard of it, but only vaugely. I'm assuming it's a whopping huge anime deal, but that's all I know. Got more info?
Gunjack "No Catchy Nickname" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 08:28:17 AM
IP: aca9bf36.ipt.aol.com

Buy a clue is in reference to your musical tastes. Had to clarify that.
Kit
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 07:10:17 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.238.dlls.grid.net

SJ, Imzadi: Like Doug said, you need to read our posts again. And buy a clue, please! <growls and rolls her eyes>
Kit
Austin, <-- Not a Hick Town!
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 07:04:45 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.238.dlls.grid.net

Guys, I was not gay-bashing. I clearly said I meant no offense to any gays in here. <sighs> And SJ, I tried the method you recommended of telling him I'm not into that stuff. It's worked on all the gays who have hit on me since, but not this guy. You see, this jerk didn't do the sensible thing and walk away- instead he laughed, grabbed my shoulder, and pulled me towards him. That's why the fight began- I tried to struggle out of his grip, he wouldn't let me, I had to hit him, he hit back, pretty soon it was a full-fledged fight and I lost control of my temper- it ended up taking three men to pull me back from beating the snot out of him. From your post, I think you'd agree it was a necessary fight. Imzadi, I suggest you pay attention to that bit too. The bastard didn't just hit on me, he tried to come after me. And for that he got what he deserved. As for the guy who Jim and Boris tossed out of the club, that episode went something like this- I'm sitting at the bar reading a book and waiting for Kit. The guy walks up to me, looks at the book, and laughs. He asks what kind of queer reads Laurell K. Hamilton. I frown at him and say "Excuse me?" He repeats the question. I say "Look, I'm just waiting for my girlfriend." "Yeah, right, faggot." "Sir, you need to go away." "Or what?" He started flexing his knuckles and at that instant Jim and Boris grabbed him- you know the rest. You want to tell me these jerks getting hurt was not justified? FYI, I am secure in my sexuality. 100%. I can tolerate gay relationships (especially well-written ones, like I'm sure any in your fics would be, Imzadi), I've had gay friends, but when people insinuate that I am gay or try to rape me, I don't like it. Would you? Please read my full post again. And next time you're kidding, please make it more obvious.

You know, guys, if there's one thing I hate as much as y'all seem to hate gay-bashing, it's gay-stereotyping. Just because some guy likes Savage Garden or Foreigner or Laurell K. Hamilton, he must be gay? Where the heck does that come from? There's nothing gay in those groups or those books. I don't understand it. And I think y'all should stop stereotyping. For the record, I like REO Speedwagon too. Can't Fight This Feeling Anymore is an excellent piece of music. So's Take It On the Run, Kit and I dance to that song all the time at the local Polly Esther's. We also dance to Savage Garden and Foriegner, who have produced great songs as well. I hope someday you two will learn to appreciate their music.

Rocky Horror Picture Show: Am I the only one in here who fails to understand this thing's appeal?
Doug
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 07:01:58 AM
IP: pool-63.52.171.238.dlls.grid.net

<-I've no idea who this is.

just a quick comment before I dart back out...

**ANGEL SPOILERS**

When that guy said that his world had no poetry {because everything was black-and-white}, did he mean _absolutely_ no poety, or no poetry as humans would tend to understand it?

...though it was funny, between the Librarian commenting on his horns not looking real, to his comment about coming back {he gonna quick the kareoke bar and work in a library from now on? *g*}, to the quip about how him knowing beardguy shouldn't be a reason for Angel to not knock him unconcious.

I'm rambling, aren't I?

*END ANGEL SPOILERS*

Rodlox
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 07:00:49 AM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

Lynati>> Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!

Imazi>> Yup, that's from a story called "When Graeme Met Lucy"... one of these days, I'll get around to finishing it.

Question for Texas chatters: Anyone going to A-kon? I've booked space in their art show and was wondering what kinds of art would sell well there.
Spike
Wednesday, May 2, 2001 06:29:22 AM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-78.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

*pokes head back in*

Oh yeah, one other thing. Lain and I were discussing politics and philosophy this morning, and we hit an interesting question.
What exactly defines a basic human right? According to the constitution, we all have rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, as well as free speech, and a buncha other stuff. So how exactly do you determine if some other good thing that all humans should have is a Right or not? Ie, do humans have a Right to education or medical care? And if those are too easy, do humans have a right to be protected from discrimination from their peers?

...That one's for all you people who think I just spend my whole day playing with guns. ; )
Gunjack "Rubber Ducky" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 11:37:37 PM
IP: ac91a2c8.ipt.aol.com

No time for much tonight. Tired. Spent too much of the evening trying to explain "Pink Mist" to Lain. Argueing ain't half as much fun when you don't get to kiss and make up at the end... : P

Two quickies.

Imzy><<Only gay guys and chicks like that song. Sorry to disappoint.>> Drat. And I liked MOST of their music, too... Does that mean I need to thtart talking with a lithp? <<...I hang out at Rocky Horror Picture Show.>> Lyn? Is there somethin' ya wants ta be tellin' me? *raises an eyebrow at Lynati* <<What the hell kind of right-wing hick town do you live in?>> Not to take sides or anything, but we live in Texas. We're ALL right-wingers, laddie... ; )

Gside><> And then there's Newfoundland, right Lain? ; ) <<Zoophile. You mention fire, and my homonecropyrobestialiacophobia will kick in again.>> Waitaminute. The -phobia part would mean you're AFRAID of that stuff, ne'? ll this time, I've been thinking you were a 'philiac... Does this mean we can scare you now? o.O
<<It does. Does that mean you're going to work on your catchup post now?>> That's exactly what it means. IIIIIIIIINCOMING!!! <<And if anyone got that (and knows what it has to do with chess), you are a Moxy Fr�vous fan.>> *look of total non-comprehension* ...huh? I was quoting the guy from "The Langoliers", actually...

SJ><<...I question the sexuality of all of you.>> Should we randomly blow the HIFL out of stuff? Just to compensate? <<Then again, my own musical tastes can be divided up into two very broad categories: 1.that which is angry, and 2. that which is angry and depressing.>> Mine can be divided up into: 1) aggressive music that makes me want to shoot things, 2) manic music that makes me want to shoot things, and 3) calming music that makes me want to shoot things. Gunfire is the aural equivilent of chicken. I think I'm the only living person who has used "my heart will go on" as the soundtrack for a firefight/massacre.

Ok, so that was more than two. Bugger off. I'm tired. I have a headache! Why can't we have nice things!? You're not the man I married!!! I WANT A DIVORCE!!!

*dons manic demenor, gnaws on a convenient paperback, and runs wildly off in all directions*
Gunjack "I Think We're Alone Now" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 11:09:02 PM
IP: ac91a2c8.ipt.aol.com

Ravyn> <<did I just make myself look like an idiot?>>: Nah, just not a full nerd (a.k.a. true engineer). Imzadi is from the Star Trek universe, Betazed for "the first." It's used between Troi and Ryker.

Imzadi> <<Huh?>>: The hat cannot be properly described.
<<But I don't HAVE wide knuckles>>: Compared to men or women?
<<That sounded SO wrong>>: Thank you. I tried. Though I do think I mixed up my analogies.
<<what is it canadian's do for fun?>>: I hear there's a good science museum in Toronto. Though generally, I hear there's a lot of beer drinking and ehs.
<<guess the misquote>>: Star Wars? Han to Obi Wan?
<<And a tiger in the sack, right?>>: Zoophile. You mention fire, and my homonecropyrobestialiacophobia will kick in again.
<<Is that Graeme and Lucy?>>: You have to ask? Well, those aren't the parts we usually see...

Christine> Congratulations.

The new mp3 is March of the Toys as performed by the Boston Pops.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 10:39:04 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Okay, I'm sorry, but that flagrant gay-bashing really offended me. And NOTHING offends me. Except ignorance and prejudice. Hate everyone equally (like me), but don't hate one group for no good reason.

Kit and Doug: First, I was kidding. Second, I find the fact that you put someone in the hospital for hitting on you to be reprehensible. You are morally bankrupt, and coming from ME that is a severe insult. How dare you hurt someone for hitting on you! You say "I'm not interested" or "I'm straight". "loser bull queer wannabe"? What the hell is wrong with you? I'm straight, but I have lots of gay friends and I hang out at Rocky Horror Picture Show. I get hit on by guys occasionally. The fact that you respond violently to being hit on just means you are pathetically insecure about your sexuality. If I were you, I'd get a clue, a life, and a bit of compassion. I'm just glad I didn't put any gay relationships in my fic, or I doubt it would have gotten such a positive response from the two of you. What the hell kind of right-wing hick town do you live in?

Lain: <<im not sure i can consent to all that my friend>>: See, I can only have fun if the people around me are having fun. Sometimes I have fun by spending money. If it costs money for them to have fun with me, then that money must come from somewhere. Just say "thanks, I'd love to hang around TO with you for the day!" <>: Would that girl be YOU? BTW, its highly unlikely that this dream girl is you or any girl you know, because I have come to the conclusion that this girl does not exist.

Smooth, SJ. After THAT post, NO ONE will think we're separate people!

SJ: <<That's a hypothetical situation>>: If I were gay, I'd be the happiest man alive, that's how many men hit on me. Its kind of depressing that I can't get a girl to save my non-existant soul <<That IS asking for knuckle sandwich>>: Seriously! No still means no, even when it comes from a guy! <>: Savage Garden, dude. Seriously. What the hell kind of straight guy likes savage garden!? <<angry and depressing music>>: Ditto. All hail Trent Reznor and other artists who were abused as children! <<Crazy girls will frighten you, but they're the ones you miss the most>>: So true. Hey, if it wasn't for crazy girls, I'd still be a very pathetic virgin (I'm not saying that all virgins are pathetic, I'm just saying *I* would be one). <<Bald can be beautiful>>: Not on the scalp... <<how many people are twisted enough>>: That'd be me. But of course, since we're the same person, that's to be expected.

I can see B.S. behind twenty feet of lead reinforced concrete, in a blizzard, at night, underground, on another planet, in a galaxy far far away.
-Christopher Titus, Titus

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 10:31:03 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Gay Bashing: Is it really worth it to instigate violence towards someone just because they came on to you? What's the big deal? If you're hetero, it shouldn't matter. You may not dig it, it may repulse you, but no harm done, really. You shouldn't smack a guy (or girl, to be fair) just cause they flirted with you. Don't be so harsh towards another, that's a sign of insecurity. Me, I'm secure enough in my unrepentant heterosexuality that I wouldn't care if a guy came onto me. That's a hypothetical situation which would probably never happen (it's hard enough getting girls, don't you know), but if it did, I think I would have the self-control to tell the guy that I don't swing that way without resorting to assault and battery.

So, remember-guy (for the men) or gal (for the ladies) flirts with you, it's no big deal.
They try and give you a reach around, then it's a problem. That IS asking for knuckle sandwich.

For the record, though, when you people start throwing out musical groups like "Savage Garden" and "Foreigner" (FOREIGNER? What, couldn't think of a good REO Speedwagon song???), I question the sexuality of all of you.
Then again, my own musical tastes can be divided up into two very broad categories: 1.that which is angry, and 2. that which is angry and depressing.

"Ideal" Woman: I'm thinking I'm a bit like Josh here. I don't know if my "ideal" woman exists. But I like some of the characteristics that have been thrown out, namely: thin (I've come to the realization that as much as I rail against the ultra-thin celebrities, those are the exact type of women I'm attracted to), curvy, crazy (NOTHING better than a crazy girl. Nothing. Perhaps Josh can relate. Crazy girls will frighten you, but they're the ones you miss the most), "exotic", and long hair (please, ladies, short hair is so unappealing. Either wear it long, or just shave it all off. Bald can be beautiful.)
And how many people are twisted enough to pick up the double entendre there?

Alison Hannigan: See, now I think she's cute. Alison's problem is that she's been stuck on a show where all the other women are cuter than her. Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku, Charisma Carpenter (back when she was on it), Emma Caulfield�..they're all cuter. Alison is only better looking that Amber Benson (I'm sorry, the puppy dog eyes don't do it for me) and Michelle Trachtenberg (who is a child, and thus eliminated from consideration). Which is not to say that Alison is not attractive, or that she can't look really hot (think Vampire Willow). It's just that she's a more realistic or, dare I say it, "average" looking woman on a show filled with incredibly beautiful women.

Anyway, I still have to watch my tape of Buffy and Angel, but I've heard that in the final episode of the season (coming up fast), that someone of importance will die. I'm assuming it won't just be the villain.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 10:08:24 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

*******BUFFY STUFF********

i thought this episode was actually really good.. there was such excellent development in the relationship between tara and willow.. at first i thought the fight was really lame.. people.. if you are going to have a relationship-threatening fight, at least make it over something significant, you know? gah.. do these people not know how to communicate at ALL? you dont just.. stomp out and not come back over something little like that.. bad things happen when you do. and SEE???? BAD THINGS happened. i rest my case. but in the end willow came through and her love for tara showed clearly. "even if she never.." rather powerful stuff. *I* should be lucky to find a lover like that...
glory now knows who is the key and the season climax is building nicely.

angel was kinda funny.. i felt really bad for cordy and her "acting job" though. even MORE sad that thats how some people see women.
*******************END STUFF.. ALL ELSE HAS BEEN SAID**************

imzy> heh.. yeah.. i DO kinda know a girl who resembles that discription and.. um.. im sure i can arrange a meeting ; )
so um.. lemme see here.. youre offering to give me $$$ to GET me to TO.. $$$ to take me AROUND TO... and in an email you ALSO offered me $$$$ for services you hope will be rendered with the aid of pencilcrayons, is that right? sheesh.. im not sure i can consent to all that my friend..
and um.. ALL HAIL REZNOR!! ; )

doug>> you like women with short hair? oh.. um... well i guess i shouldnt mention that a few months ago i used to look like ripley from aliens then, should i?
*glances at sj and hides another ethically challenged grin*
actually i meant that i didnt like the thing where her hair is all sticky-out and wierd lookin.. i liked it better soft and curled in this weeks ep.

and for canadian political fun, please tune in to parliamnet for watching stockwell day make a fool of himself, AGAIN.. id like to state that i dont feel any venom towards stockwell day cos.. well.. i dont know him but.. man but this guy does GREAT things for the right wing parties in this country..
he got caught spying on the PM, then lied about it, then got caught and lied some more.. and then had to fess up cos.. well.. he lied..
hes a class a moron, i tells you.. or at least *I* think so.. and he also seems to have the worst political and moral
sense of any ive ever seen in government. all this from a religious fundie, too. make up the next leadership? methinks not..
if you dont mind, i think ill just sit by and observe his political career go down in flames.. dont have to DO anything, he seems to be doing a rather good job of toasting himself, actually..
(i almost feel sorry for the guy.. except that the whole thing is his own darned fault..)

the flash of mr day in the federal skky is consistent with the theory that the universe is 7,000 years old.. - p. brodie, halifax
lain "na na.. na na naaaa na.. hey hey now.. goodbyyyye.." iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North, eh?
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 09:45:05 PM
IP: ttya06.ptbo.igs.net

Hometown kid makes good > clickie or go to http://www.rapbooks.com/morgan.html to see my official author page on the Renaissance Alliance Publishing site for the ElfLore trilogy ; )

Gathering Writing Contest > big thanks to those who've already sent stories in! To the rest of you, you heard Kathy, get off'n yer tails and hop to it! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 08:47:29 PM
IP: 17-044.075.popsite.net

Imzadi: I must be the exception that proves that rule. I'm not a chick, I'm not gay, I like the song. <shrugs>

Kit: Yep, the jerk's still in the hospital. If I remember correctly, though, I wasn't the one who put him there. I was going to, but Boris and Jim grabbed him and threw him out of the Paradox Backroom into the street first. He had a rather rough landing. :) Now the loser bull queer wannabe who came on to me at summer camp when I was thirteen- that guy I put in the hospital. Nearly seven solid minutes of banging someone's head into a steel pole will do that. <grins> (BTW, no offense meant to any gay people in here. I can tolerate gays, I even have had gay friends. My big brother Marco is gay, the coolest TA I had in college was gay. Gays are ok people. Just as long as they understand I'm not one of them.)
Doug
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 08:40:30 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.213.dlls.grid.net

Women I Like: Well <ahem>, I've always been partial to redheads. With green eyes. I like green eyes. And whiskers. LONG whiskers!!! :)
Hobbes
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 08:35:54 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.213.dlls.grid.net

Imzadi: Oh, I assure you, Doug is not gay. Gay stuff is one of his biggest turn-offs in fact. Just like boob implants, women who wear too much makeup, dyed hair (highlights are ok, but my man likes his women natural), smoking, alcoholic breath, and bondage. I hope you'll take that comment back. The last guy who hinted Doug was gay..., well, let's just say he's still in the hospital and leave it at that. <smirks>
Kit
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 08:33:52 PM
IP: pool-63.52.169.213.dlls.grid.net

Another day, another build of OS X. And another build that doesn't let my hard drive or waveLAN card work. God this is getting annoying. One of these days I'm gonna march into Apple and just start beheading people (software people, not hardware people).

Wingedbeast: <<but it does...offer some part explination>>: And that, to my understanding, is the point of Dark Ages.

Gside: <<Not without my hat>>: Huh? <<Or maybe wider knuckles>>: But I don't HAVE wide knuckles. <<what's your opinion on non Euclidian geometry?>>: My opinion? Its fun to play with and confuse people. "A triangle with HOW MANY right angles?" <<Eh?>>: Now. I meant "now", not "not". <<You should try something smaller first to loosen it up>>: That sounded SO wrong. <<Barely>>: There's an overstatement.

Jannie: <<zero level of tolerance, patience, and compassion>>: Sounds like an average day for me.

Robby (not Aaron): My bad.

Lain: <<"predictible" reaction>>: Yes, it would, and exactly what I would have expected from you given the stress with your family and stuff. <<perfect woman>>: You wouldn't happen to know such a woman, would you? Cuz if you do, I'm gonna be in Canada soon...<<that would require me to have $$>>: I have $$. And I'll be getting more $$ from parents and cousin to parade around Toronto unsupervised. I propose using some of that money to get out to you, if you can find a bus schedule and set it up! <<what do you want to do in TO>>: I dunno, what is it canadian's do for fun? Besides make fun of Americans? <<that weekend>>: No problem. June 1 or 2, probably, since my flight is on the 3rd. <<OTHER than check out the neighbourhood "gentlemans clubs">>: Actually, I've never been to a strip club, and wasn't planning on doing so anytime soon. That was a joke. <<Rezner>>: That's ReznOr. You spell gods' names correctly, damnit.

Greg B: <<Alyson Hannigan>>: I agree. I don't think she's that hot either. I always drooled over Faith and Buffy while my roommate drooled over her. Never could see the attraction. <<women I find attractive>>:

Lynati: <<what are the grey things between and elephant's toenails?>>: Toes?

Hyperion: <<looks like someone installed a skylight>>: That was me, shortly after I got really pissed at another CR member. Looks like no one bothered to repair it.

Cali: <<excuse me?!>>: Paddle? Ya know, for spanking people on their birthday, once for every year...you never did that? <<when he's filthy stinkin' rich>>: Not in THIS period of technological bust. <<art mayor!>>: Who hasn't taken any spelling classes, I see.

Girls with "ideal guys": I've flown from one end of this galaxy to another, seen a lot of weird stuff, but nothing to make me believe there's some all powerful force...oh, wait...I mean, nothing to make me believe there are girls who don't care about appearance. <---guess the misquote.

DPH: <<All I want is acceptance of who I am>>: And a tiger in the sack, right?

Doug: <>: whew, for a second I was worried DPH was the only one. <<"Truly Madly Deeply">>: Kit, I'm sorry to tell you this, but I think Doug might be gay. Yeah. Only gay guys and chicks like that song. Sorry to disappoint.

Revel: j00'\/3 b33|\| 1[0|\|1z3|)...probably post a picture later.

Ravyn: <<did I just make myself look like an idiot?>>: Not really. Let's just say my mind has been in the gutter since I adopted that callsign in 9th grade.

Spike: Awesome work! Is that Graeme and Lucy?

Kit: <<violence>>: huh?

Todd: <<they're scarcely anti-Americans>>: Obviously you haven't spoken to any french people recently.

Sometimes, I picture a world of peace and happiness, were strife is unknown and guile is unneeded. And then I think how easy it'd be to attack 'em, cause they'd never see it coming..."
-Anonymous

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 08:26:36 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Todd> Anya's human form was "born" in America. She wasn't. That was said in her conversation with Giles. If you taped it, check again.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 07:37:29 PM
IP: dialin-1180-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS

This was a very good episode. Glory finally came off as a real threat. A personal threat. Lots of nice development on her, I look forward to seeing how her arc plays out. Also nice development on Willow and Tara and Dawn, though I don't think we should be saying good-bye to Tara as of yet, as I doubt Willow is going to abandon her, unless she gets killed next week. And finally, Glory knows that Dawn is the Key, well, what can I say. Last week I said it was only a matter of time before Glory discovered who the Key was. Finally the real suspence begins.

One question though, does Spike live across the street from Glory's hotel??? Can Buffy outrun the Flash??? Normally I don't complain about this sort of thing, but this goes beyond the suspencion of disbelief I normally allow... which is a lot. There is no way she should have been able to get to Glory's in time to stop the Bitch Goddess from turning Willow into a crucified smear on the wall.

All and all, I give this episode an 8/10. It would have gotten a 10, but the above paragraph brings it down two points.

Another complaint, about the past 2 seasons in general, is that they bring in characters like Riley, Tara... hey even Oz from way back, and the only time they get real development is when they leave, or get their brains sucked on by Gods.

Angel was good also. Like Kit, I hated that Director. I like looking and women in skimpy bikinis as much as the next guy, but he was a real jerk. Next week should be intereting.

Lauren?!

END BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 07:35:47 PM
IP: dialin-1180-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

* BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS *

BUFFY: Well, just as was predicted here, Glory sucks Tara's sanity out of her. I found that a very chilling development- and all the sadder since it comes just after Willow and Tara's first quarrel, and now it seems that they'll never truly be able to have a proper reconciliation. And when you add to that that Tara has now unwittingly let Glory know who the Key is....

And seeing Willow go full-vengeance-tilt after Glory was chilling - especially the black eyes. (I got a bit of a kick out of Glory's "Who ordered the apocalypse?" line, by the way).

Much else to say, but one minor thing that I thought I'd focus on is Anya's scenes at the beginning. I was a little bewildered by her claim to be an American by birth - I had the impression that back before she became a vengeance demon, a thousand years ago, she was from Europe - probably Scandinavia, in light of her boyfriend-turned-troll Olaf. Also - does anybody besides me think that she was being a bit ungracious towards the French? I mean, true, they aren't actually Americans, but they helped us win the Revolutionary War, and gave us the Statue of Liberty to boot. So they're scarcely anti-Americans.

ANGEL: A definite odd mixture of seriousness (with Gunn and his team) and humor (in the way that we find out a lot more about the Host and his background - boy, that guy really is a nonconformist). I quite liked the development for him - and am looking forward to seeing if Angel and Co. can help Cordelia back into our world again, after she gets sucked into the Host's homeworld.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 07:34:02 PM
IP: sdn-ar-004mosloup038.dialsprint.net

*Lynati leans in*

I just gotta say...
Spike, that is an INCREDIBLE pic.
(Heh...well, I guess we all always figured he would have his hands full with her...)

*gone*
Lynati Kshudra
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 07:24:41 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-145.rasserver.net

I'm sorry, everyone, but this has to be done.

<Kit walks onto the set of a beach commercial, glancing at two girls in very scant bikinis with distaste, and frowns as a loud whistle goes off. "Hey!" a jerky little man with devilish supposed-to-be-good looks wearing a gray jacket yells at her. "Who are you?" "Just a not-so-innocent passerby," Kit grins. The jerk frowns, then chuckles. "Hey, nice line. You know, you're kinda cute. I could get you in this commercial. If you lose the leather biker look, get a bikini like those girls over there are wearing, and get some better makeup- gotta take the attention off that big nose and comb back those bangs. And tuck back the wings- wait a minute, are those real?" Kit nods, grimacing in anger. "You know," she says, "your comments are a little out of line." "Oh, I'm sorry," the jerk grins. "Just suggesting improvements." "Improvements?" Kit raises her eyebrows. "I happen to like me this way." "Well, I don't," the jerk sneers, "and I'm the director here. You want to be in this commercial, you'll do as I say." "I don't want to be in a cheesy commercial," Kit retorts, putting her hands on her hips and flashing her fangs. "This isn't going to get any high ratings anyway- those bikinis are practically falling off the girls and they leave nothing to the imagination. Why aren't you getting sued?" "The girls' careers depend on those costumes, honey," the director shakes his head. "Now why don't you go get into something like them?" "Excuse me?!" Kit's eyes widen, the pupils flashing red. "Wait on that special effect, people!" the director yells at someone. "Sir?" his tech asks confusedly. The director gasps in sudden confusion just as Kit lunges forward, grabs him in her suddenly-clawed hands and lifts him off the ground. "You will apologize to me for your earlier comments," Kit orders him in a very deep voice. "Or else." "I don't have to apologize to you!" the director laughs. "You're just some dumb mutant biker bimbo! I'm a rich Hollywood director, on whom lives and careers depend. I have more money and respect than God!" "And you aren't earning a penny of my respect, loser," Kit snarls. "Security!" the director yells. "Sorry, pal," Doug says from where he is leaning against a wall nearby reading a comic book. "I'm on break." "Last chance," Kit tells the director. "Uh..." the director frowns. "Too late!" Kit shouts, then starts to rip him to pieces to the cheers of many people on the set. The CR censors obscure the scene with mist as the director screams loudly for a long time. A while later Kit walks out of the mist grumbling about the blood on her clothes.>

Ok, justice is done. Back to watching Angel.
Kitainia
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 06:12:17 PM
IP: pool-63.52.168.206.dlls.grid.net

Lain- I dunno... I'm kinda attached to the Rich Orange color I've used for the last two years and the pictures I drew honestly...
Robby (Not Aaron)
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 04:57:28 PM
IP: acaba27c.ipt.aol.com

**Ravyn skips happily through the CR, giggling** Sorry, all, but I'm in a deliriously happy mood today. ;)

Josh> <<You don't know what *IMZADI* means, do you?>> Um...**grins sheepishly** Guess not...did I just make myself look like an idiot? ;) (Or an even BIGGER idiot than I already seem?) ;)

Coyote> **grins and tackle-hugs** Thank you, sweetie. ;) Hope you did all right on your big test today. :)

Song Lyrics> I just HAVE to add some more country into this 80's and hard rock party goin' on in here...;)

I'm gonna love you forever
Forever and ever, amen
As long as old men sit and talk about the weather
As long as old women sit and talk about old men
If you wonder how long I'll be faithful
I'll be happy to tell you again
I'm gonna love you
Forever and ever
Forever and ever amen
("I'm Gonna Love You Forever" by Randy Travis)

**Ravyn skips out, humming and grinning like an idiot** :)
Ravyn
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 03:47:00 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

The voting is open in the April Fanart Fight Club -- just go to Previous Month to view the entries and then to the Discussion Board to vote! You may find an unexpected TGS cameo....
Spike
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 02:29:57 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-229.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Just Popping in to say HI! :)

I gotta go to work now.

Buh-bye

I'll say more tonight I promise.
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 02:16:33 PM
IP: 216.117.75.130

Just a quick post before off to the fART building and no that was not a typo. It's an old building and they are still pulling the asbesdos out of it and face it, it smells funny, not locker room funny, more like open bottle of bleach or room full of markers funny. More than you wanted to know I'm sure.
ell tomorrow we turn in our pre-final final work because what ever adjustments need to be made they are done that afternoon and then that's it.
Stress, just a bit.

Josh- Yes I drew it by hand and then inked, scanned, and photoshopped. That program has spoiled me. I use to do everything in prisma of graphite, but it's just so damn cool. I can still pencil with the best of them though.
So to answer you question yes, it's mine all mine because drawing is what I do. With the occasional story. Or scare people in elevators, but that's a different story all together.
I better go before I hurt myself.

"Insanity, it's not a condition it's a way of life."
-some T-shirt I saw that I can't find now-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 01:26:22 PM
IP: ac8e6544.ipt.aol.com

Blech. Me sick. Only went to school for 2nd and 3rd period (don't have a 1st).
Beth H.
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 01:06:22 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Lain> I just don't find Alyson Hannigan attractive at all. She's way too skinny, and I don't think red hair works for her. It's hard to look good with red hair IMO. I also think her voice is very annoying. The character of Willow just never held my interest the same way the other characters did.

Women I do find very attractive are; Eliza Dusku, Juliet Landau, Mira Furlan (whom I met in person a couple of years ago, and she's a knockout, especially that sexy accent). Marina Sirtis, Claudia Christian, Elizabeth Hurly (again a knockout with a sexy accent), Patricia Tallman. For the most part, I am not really attracted to blondes (though there are quite a few exceptions), and think accents are really sexy.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 12:36:20 PM
IP: dialin-1029-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

DPH: I too like it when my women accept me for who I am. :)

Lain: I agree with you on Alyson Hannigan. Women's hair must be shoulder length or longer to hold real attraction for me. Though on some women short hair is beautiful (Rachael Leigh Cook, Carrie Anne-Moss, my cousin Kristen). Alyson Hannigan looked better when the hair was long IMO. <Fred> There will also be new characters named Barney and Wilma. Dino is the Host's real name.

Songs: Forgot "I Want You," "Crash & Burn," and "Truly Madly Deeply" by Savage Garden. :)
Doug
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 12:22:53 PM
IP: pool-63.52.167.47.dlls.grid.net

Everyone wants to take over the world - Nah, I just want to control from behind the scenes.

2 days in a row where the idiot has come home early.

My type of woman - suprise, suprise. All I want is acceptance of who I am. Nothing more, nothing less.

Is anyone else having trouble accessing to the TGS discussion area?

I wouldn't mind if someone took out DC and Netlag for me as they seem to be scared of me for no apparant reason and flee before I can do them anything to them.

Happy b-day to whomever it applies including posters and LURKERS.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 11:12:13 AM
IP: max1-22.cwy.cei.net

*walks in quite wet and rained on* Hi!!!! ^_^

So, I went to the beach, recaptured my lovely tan, went kayaking and henceforth, I'm happy! *grinz* Now if only my dumb spanish teacher wold finish correcting my paper so I knew if I had to take the final or not, my elation would be compleat!!! *hyperventilates* Gaaahhh!!!! ....ok....on with the post! :P

Gside> << Fun With Cadavers>> Oh, I have no problem with that whatsoever! My bio class was gonna take a field trip to the morge and I was all for it, but it got canceled. Thats not the case with me, I watch operations on TV with my dad while eating lunch, its more of an emotional cruelty I try to avoid.<<burnthpriest is a pretty good example, but not quite as good as his Head on a Pike. >> lol I have a friend who does that type of drawing, I have quite a few in my note book, but his are personal, HUMA Prof.'s head on a pike, that sort of thing :P

Josh><<Happy birthday!>> Thanx!!! <<She's legal...::brandishes a large wooden paddle::>> <_< excuse me?! and yet again, do I realy want to know?! :P << engineers>> Ah, my brother's gonna studdy to be a comp engineer, I hope he remembers his loving sister who got into fist fights over him when we were kids, when he's filthy stinkin' rich :P << As I'm sure you know from economics class, as demand increases and supply drops...PRICE SKYROCKETS!>> *blinx* I dont take economics, I'm an art mayor! :P But yeah, all it takes is logic to see that. Well, good luck to ya! I donno 'bout myself, I'll proabably get into animation or comp animation or I'll just teach, I donno

Revel><<Happy Birthday, when ever it was, I'm always late on those things.>> lol Dont worry, so am I, thanx!!! ^_^

GB!!! *HUGZ* Glad yer back hun! ^_^

Aaron><<Happy belated b-day.>> Thanx! ^_^ <<Boy do I know that feeling.>> lol what'll we say when we're 30?!?!!? :P

My Type of Guy> Ya know, now that I think about it, I dont realy have a type! Not physicaly at least, I mean I proabably wont go with extreems (as in realy tall or realy short or realy thing or realy fat, ect.) but besides that, anything goes. I mostly depends on if he's fun and nice and smart and at least half as insane as I am :P

Eeee I should go! I'll see ya ppls!!! *HUGZ all (soggie wet HUGZ :P ) and drips water all the way out* ^_~
Caliope
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 10:57:22 AM
IP: 136.145.83.179

*Hyperion walks in, obviously lost in thought. He trips over something on the floor and falls with a resounding crash, nearly stabbing himself with one of his swords*
Sorry all, major blast of creativity today...<snicker>

Ok, so here's the question: Now, in the very first episode, it is established that Golith is the only gargoyle with a name. Fine, that makes sense; the better to deal with the humans etc. However, it implies that the leader of the clan is given a name.
However, later (and I don't remember the episode) when trying to pick a second-in-command, Hudson tell him that the would be a bad choice as he had picked Goliath for his second. So wouldn't that imply the at one point Hudson had a name, and quite possibily one that was a good deal cooler than a thrice-damned _river_?!?!?

Maybe this has been covered already, but I was just curious...

*looks up at the cieling*
Hmm...looks like someone installed a skylight. How convienient...
*Leaps through conviently open skylight and spreads wings, banking off into the sky*

*************
It is a little known fact that Robin Hood was a lot less successful before changing his motto from "Rob from the rich and run like hell"
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 09:34:11 AM
IP: ba-160.adsl.stargate.net

*Lynati stumble in*
mumble mumble evil surprise slide-identification test mumble 73 questions total mumble mumble should have been smart and got more than three hours sleep mumble the stones hurt my feet, and the neighbors had chickens. There was a fishy in the aquarium...blue bedspreads, and the ghost of a our cat in the rain. ear infections. the dinosaur book in the weird bookshelf-thingy...

mmm...yeeahh...

music? Soul Asylum's "somebody to shove", Cheryl Wheeler's "Invisible lady", Tori's "Silent all these years", and track 11 on the Neverending Story soundtrack: "Mirrorgate/southern oracle". Ooh, and Ani Difranco's "loom", and "face up and sing"...and Counting Crow's "Anna Begins".

yeah...that about covers it.

Hey, Imzy, what are the grey things between and elephant's toenails? (I guess your elephant joke cycle be different from mine...)

*stumbles away, mumbling about fishing line and ladders*
Lynati Kshudra
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 09:08:59 AM
IP: 205.184.255.212

imzy>>what.. you thought i was gonna FLAME you? *scoff* that, my friend, would qualify as a "predictible" reaction.. and i wouldnt want to do THAT now, would i? ; )
*reads over imzys definition of the "perfect woman", puts her hand over her mouth to cover her ethically challenged grin, gives a sidelong look at gunjack and rounds the episode off with a very large and exaggerated wink*
and me get to toronto? that would require me to have $$... i dont have any $$$ right now but i might be able to get some by the 1, 2 or 3 of june.. you know.. for a bus ticket and all that. im in school that week so it would HAVE to be the weekend if you wanted me in TO..
and what do you want to do in TO anyways? i mean.. OTHER than check out the neighbourhood "gentlemans clubs"..??

*************BUFFY STUFF***************
*whines something about wildfeeb broadcast not happening till thisafternoon..*
anyway:
check one for willow and tara having a fight
check two for brain-suckage of tara tonight.
check also for tata NOT dying but instead blabbing who/where the key is to glory cos she has no sanity left.

next week everyone gets to find out what dawn can do : D im not gonna post it in here, lest i get flamage for giving out spoilers but if you wanna know.. you know where to find me.. ; )
also, everyone gets to flee sunnydale in spike's old getaway car and the knights of byzantium are back

be warned.. YOU WANT TO WATCH BUFFY!!!!!! THE NEXT EPISODES LOOK STUPIDLY GOOD!!!!!!
*********************ANGEL STUFF********************
hey theres gonna be a new character!!!!!!!
its FRED!! no, no, not THAT fred..
the kind of fred that has been stuck in pylea (the hosts demon homeworld) for a little too long and is a wee bit crazy. apparently fred gets introduced either this week or next week (i have conflicting sources) when cordy finds a new dimention, and eventually gets sucked into it.. and will be a regular next season aswell. she will be played by amy aclur, or so i hear.. ; )
*************************END BUFFY AND ANGEL STUFF******************

greg>> aww... you dont like alyson hannigan??? whyever not?? (i think shes HOT...) ; ) or at least.. i used to think so.. not sure about that hairstyle thingie shes got goin now, though.. its wiiiiierd..

jannie>> thats pretty smelly about your computer not letting you have email : ( i hope you can find some way of getting around it soon, i can see how it would be AWFULLY frustrating.. *hugs*

sj>> mmmmmm nine inch nails.. tori knows that nine inch nails guy, dont she..? whaziz name.. REZNER!! yeah.. him.. i mean with the "made my own pretty hate machine" and the "those demigods, with their nine inch nails" and all that..
its true i dont like ALL of toris stuff.. some of it is a little too.. i dunno... it makes me flinch for example "professional widow" and "shes your cocaine" just.. i dunno theres something about them that makes me REALLY uncomfortable for some reason.
however i admit that i cant pass up a singer who writes lyrcs like: "i took a taxi from LA to venus in 1985/i was electromagnetically sucked back into a party going on that night.." i mean.. REALLY..

aaron(not robby)/robby(not aaron)>> okay.. heres what you need to do:
one of you needs to post in pink with the picture of doi, the cute japanese kid, and the other of you needs to post in bright cyan with the pic of blue (that fairy gal).
you see.. drastic measures are in order here.. you two are just TOO similar.. you both have five letter names with double letters (aa, bb) and you both post in a fairly similar colour. *I* think if you started posting in the manner suggested above, it would absolutely and completely eliminate any confusion whatsoever..
; )

mmm i think thats it for now ; )

love,
lain "avoiding the same questions we must ask ourselves to get any answers" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great Green North.. where there is no more ice-fishing..
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 07:59:31 AM
IP: ttyb0d.ptbo.igs.net

Jannie, Josh, whoever else... Posting song lyrics is fine, its just that at one point, so many people were posting them, the admins recieved multiple e-mails to stop it, so it was asked of the CR to cut back a little on them. Personally, I really have no problem with it, like the RPs, its easy enough to skim over if you don't want to read it, and in a n average week, it doesn't really fill up the CR that much extra anyway.

The point is that people keep trying to circumvent the admins, and thats a habit I've been trying to break people of. I haven't been entirely successful on my own due to my computer troubles, which is why I got other people to help administrate in the first place.

Josh- I am *NOT* Aaron! See Lady Mystic, *THIS* is the kind of thing we're talking about! We've even been posting as "Robby (Not Aaron)" or "Aaron (Not Robby)" and it still happens! I haven't posted in the last three weeks, yet a week of messages from Aaron get attributed to me! *sigh* I mean, the last few times I posted, I even used the Pietr Domovoi pic to help distinguish us, and yet...

BTW, to everyone... Love Hina is the greatest anime of all time.
"Is eloping tasty?" -Koala Su, the almost-catgirl on Love Hina
Robby (not Aaron)
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 07:02:07 AM
IP: 129.115.233.43

Winged Beast> Well, no one is perfect. That's something we try to show in every character, or at least I want to see in every character. Whether we succeeded I'll leave up to the readers... unless I know they are flatly mistaken of course.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 04:42:53 AM
IP: dialin-1029-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

So, Tara is going to get her brain sucked by Glory. Could be true, than again Spike was also supposed to tell Glory that Dawn was the Key (and I wish he did). If it's done well, and creates good development, no complaints.

However people, Oz is not going to get back together with Willow. It's not Joss Whedon's decision, Seth Green walked off the show to pursue his so-called movie career. And what a fine career it is, what was the last movie he was in? "Austin Powers 2"? If they do get together, it's because Seth Green has come to his senses and decided he does want a regular paycheck that Mutant Enemy is willing to give him on a weekly basis.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just sick to death of people blaming Tara for the reason that Willow and Spike aren't together. I liked Oz also, and I like Tara. But I admit, I never particularly cared for Willow, and don't care which one of them she's with. I just don't like Alyson Hannigan.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 04:40:58 AM
IP: dialin-1029-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Rodlox > Ah, I suddenly understand. You have your writing contests confused. April 7th was the 2nd INTERNET REUNION. That event has gone and passed. I was posting about The 5th ANNUAL GATHERING OF THE GARGOYLES Writers Competition. It's deadline has been extended until FRIDAY MAY 25th.

Follow my links for all the information http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/events.htm

And as far as I know, Gargoyles is on Toon Disney only (although we will have episodes running in the video room during the convention including "Deadly Force")
kathy - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com ]
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 04:39:16 AM
IP: rr-56-12-95.atl.mediaone.net

Josh> *takes a deep breath* you're right, I need to calm down. I'm stressed to the maximum right now. I can't sleep and I'm close to the zero level of tolerance, patience, and compassion. Not a pretty sight, I assure you. *chuckles*

Lain> I would have emailed you in a split second IF I had access to any of my email accounts. Unfortunately my son uses Opera5 for his server and then has all of these firewalls, safety blocks, etc. put up on his computer that it won't even let me into hotmail. I hate his computer. I can only access two of the websites that I normally frequent - CR and Mini Clan. This adds to my maximum level of frustration.

If the wired money arrives today then I will be leaving later this afternoon for my journey "home". I cannot leave until I have paid for the apt. here that the kids are going to be living in for the next few months. I'm anxious to get home, even if it is an 11-12 hour drive. I'll be traveling with Juanita, my chihuahua and Dolly, our 15 yr old black Pug dog. What a treat =\ She's old and when she's not eating, she is farting. *chuckles*
She's also deaf and almost totally blind now. Dolly is weighs around 18 lbs - which will be a real hoot carrying her up and down the stairs twice a day for her bathroom duties. O.o

Doug> *hugs* thanks :)
Jannie
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 04:28:03 AM
IP: 209-144-251-4.hou.port.mytelco.com

I thought of three songs I need to use to remind myself. Life is a Carnival by The Band, Life Has Been Good to Me by Randy Newman, and (a recent find) Ordinary Day by Great Big Sea.

Imzadi> <>: Not without my hat, you aren't.
<<This means I have better finger control then any woman I know>>: Or maybe wider knuckles makes it easier to keep the center of mass in contact with your hand. But that can still be a good thing.
<<but this is talking about a curve>>: As long as it has zero width and zero height, and doesn't cross the same place twice, it's good enough for me. And what's your opinion on non Euclidian geometry?
<<Okay, not I get it>>: Eh?

Spacebabie> <<Cyber cookies to ya>>: Thanks. It is okay to research these, right?
<<Keep eating like that and You'll bust out everywhere except in your bust>>: Gourry Gabriev from Slayers. You had it on your animegrapevine page.

Imzadi> <<We're not?>>: I don't think there's been any proof of being dangerously insane.

Fire Sorm> <<But the wang just didn't fit in the example>>: You should try something smaller first to loosen it up, then keep pushing to break the final barrier.
<>: Oh, very much so. I like to do it to myself. I still don't know why I didn't work in that "long bit of wang" a while back.
<<Poem?>>: The Ring Poem, blasphemer. Three rings for Elven kings under the sky./Seven for the Dwarf lords in their halls of stone./Nine for mortal Men doomed to die./One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne/In the land of Mordor, where the shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all,/One Ring to find them,/One ring to bring them all,/And in the darkness bind them/In the land of Mordor where the shadow lie.
Yes, that was from memory. I can also do the complete Jabberwock.
<>: Do so.
<<it wasn't until 2 or 3 years ago that I even HEARD of Lord of the Rings>>: Heretic. I have been exposed since I was born (or maybe a little after). My father has just about every scene and character from the Hobbit and the Trilogy painted in metal figures.
<<But can you imagine a 600 poly face with 20,000 poly tear ducts?>>: Easily. I just wouldn't notice the tear ducts. Though most of the face polys would probably be used to meet up with the ducts.
<<The pressure from the water trying to push it onto the hull on the outside or push it off into the inside?>>: Remember, this is a space ship. So we have the air pressure insice versus a vacuum outside.
<<did he ever get a refund on that parrot?>>: Nope, they went back to the shopkeeper's place.

Aaron> <<All I know about Ranma, I learned from reading lemons>>: Then you do not know enough about Mousse.
<<You've been at the Sakura Lemon Fiction Archive haven't you>>: Actually, not until just now.
<<Where did you find that one?>>: The MS archive I posted the address to a while back. http://www.angelfire.com/md/MousseShampoo/ It's called Eternal Love, and takes place when he visits her before her death.
<>: Deamoness With the Green Eyes. I didn't really like that one. Most of the ones that make him out to be insanely powerful aren't too good, but I still think he's holding back.
<<Probably Sakura>>: As I said, amazingly enough, nope. Didn't even have parts two and three.
<<why choose when you could have *both*>>: Because many people are limited to one at a time.

Fire Storm> <<No, it's the FanFic Archive! It's back up!>>: Barely.

Gunjack> <<let's see if this works>>: It does. Does that mean you're going to work on your catchup post now?
<<They're SCAMPERING>>: All right, someone get a minifridge and open it in the middle of the room. I knew it was a bad idea to drop that lit magnesium strip in the middle of my calculators. And if anyone got that (and knows what it has to do with chess), you are a Moxy Fr�vous fan.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 12:35:30 AM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

Josh, harsh would have been one thing. But, she still wasn't a drill sargeant. She was supposed to be at least something of a teacher. Teaching does involve noting mistakes and doing so harshly. But, did she provide any type of correction? No. Did she even glance over what Demona was doing right at all? No. She kept picking until all Demona could think about were the mistakes she might be making. Then she had the gall to think that Demona's success was due to her teaching.

She wasn't a drill sergeant. She was one of the Clan's mothers, as respected in the way she treated the clever sister when she was wounded. So, it wasn't as if it would have been counter to her role as the teacher of the young Gargoyles to take a moment to go over what Demona was doing right.

I'm not saying that all teachers should only focus on what their students do right in some attempt to get their self-esteem up. That's a mistake. But, to pick at them until they're afraid to act, then take credit for any success they have despite your abuse and only show some affection *after* they manifest their abilities...

Is this how a good parent treats her child? No. Is this how a good teacher treats her student? No. These weren't soldiers drilling for life on the battlefield. These were children and teenagers depending upon the elders to not only provide them with the abilities they would need, but the image that they would take on later in life.

After the millenia, in Awakening 5, Goliath notes that the centuries have changed Demona, made her cold and unforgiving. This certainly doesn't justify anything she's done, but it does, from a developemental psychology pov offer some part explination of how she got there.
Wingedbeast - [wingedbeast@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, May 1, 2001 12:18:57 AM
IP: hermes1.bradley.edu

HEY EVERYONE! Thanks for the help in getting here (I knew there was a reason why I didn't like AOL). A very big thanks to Fire Storm for posting for me.
Well Hawaii was wonder and I recommend it as a place to visit. It could rain and be windy as it wants and it would still be nice out. I kind of wish that I had more time to explore, there is so much life in those rainforests and the ocean. Beautiful place. I'm glad to be home though. I finally figured out why I find Korea so uncomfortable. I know I've said that everything is small there, but it's also so close together; even the hills and mountains feel so lumped on top of each other that it's kind of like being trapped in a confined space. Back home things are more open even in the larger cities. Well, you know I have to say it, There really is no place like home.

Music- I used to listen to the Proclaimers as much as I could.

Well, getting late so I'll be back.
Later.

Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Los Alamos, CA, USA!
Monday, April 30, 2001 11:46:10 PM
IP: ac8024b9.ipt.aol.com

sorry for the double post, but...FS, the fanfic archive is down again 8-). I don't know if that's your doing or if you care or can help, but you seemed excited about it before...
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, April 30, 2001 11:34:37 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Argh! Our last (and most valuable, point-wise) programming project is impossible! Not just impossible for everyone else (that often happens, and I usually assist the TA's by going around the lab and helping people out. Even I can't do this one (in case that sounds egotistical, I'll point out that I am one of the top ten students in that class of 300 or so)! It relies on our knowing obscure programming and MATLAB concepts that were not in the reading and not mentioned in lecture. How are we supposed to do this thing!? ARGH! Oh well, I'm making my way through it...slowly. Very slowly. Should be done by Friday. And that's my LAST assignment of the semester. Then its finals and FREEDOM!

Lyric posting: I maintain the rights of myself and ANYONE else to post lyrics. SOME.

FS: <<why didn't I just look>>: The more data we have, the more difficult it is to manage it all. <<turn-based strategy games are too addictive>>: I used to play Civilization for days without stopping, sometimes passing out at my desk. <<given alot of writers ideas for inter-clan breeding>>: Who says we didn't have them already? <<what would you rather trust?>>: The first choice. Definitely. <<DIRTY, DIRTY thoughts!>>: Do you mind!? I'm trying to snorkel in THIS gutter!? <<Give us some credit!>>: I'm sorry. Despite the fact that this is a "Gargoyles" CR, we do very little talking about gargs. Just keeping everyone on their toes. <<was alcohol involved?>>: As if I could get any without it! <<Plasma Conduit fabric backed adhesive strips>>: I swear I heard that in star trek once. <<only $10 for 30 yards of data-grade>>: You wouldn't be Jewish, would you? <<Cat in the cradle>>: That's an old camp song. When I was little, it used to make me cry because it was so depressing. But now I listen to music that's much worse, and that song has very little effect on me. <<Man... That SUCKS>>: You realize I wasn't literally talking about a Hoover, right? But yes, it did. <<No Silicon or Carbon>>: Actually, potassium (I) fluoride (KF) is used to etch and sculpt glass. Don't need silicon to etch glass, just to make it. <<VERY little and trivial differences>>: But for some reason, just different enough to make people fight. <<if I send you a 60GB HD or a hundred pack of CD-R's>>: Yes, I could. What's in it for me? Also, I don't know if you'll like most of the stuff we have on our server. I'd send a 75GB HD, because that way you'll have room for more. I'd rather you DIDN'T send a hundred CD-R's, because I have to physically be here copying it. But if the price is right, I'll do just about anything (I'm such a whore that way). <<Longer than 5 years in some cases>>: Well, when my roommate and I go our seperate ways, he'll keep me posted on their, uh, progress. <<thats about my feelings on Rocky Horror>>: If you thought Rocky was good enough to get you to see Shock Treatment, I'd recommend EST for you. <>: A 2-foot tall sculpture of Goliath in a menacing pose with a ball-chain for a tail...pull and ::eyes light up:: LOL. <<that WOULD be a nice name for a TV show in a fanfic>>: Hmmm...<<people using the default AOL browser are having problems posting>>: To my knowledge, the AOL browser hasn't been updated since before this CR was created. <<that hotel was cramped, dirty, and full of roaches>>: I'll be staying at home for this gathering... <<it's the FanFic Archive! It's back up! >>: ::frantically taps vein in forearm:: YES! I can get my fix now!

Jannie: <<If I was only 6'4", I'd be a model!>>: Not to mention a freak of nature. <<post to Aaron>>: Whoa, calm down. Of course you have rights to tell lain she's doing a no-no, even if she's an admin and you're not.

The fact that Lain didn't react poorly should have been the END, Robby.

Robby: <<The Dark Side is cool>>: BOO YAKA! <<if you could use the force>>: I'd be public enemy number 1 if I could use the force. <<Is it bad that I just bought...>>: Yes, it is bad. <<The CR has always had problems with AOH>>: AOH sucks muh nutz. <<why choose when you could have *both*>>: Seriously! <<Mine just happens to shoot people>>: You have a cross that shoots people? Is that only available in texas? <<the tickets into Burbank were $100 more>>: Someone was shopping late...<<Rocky event at G2K1, with Marina Sirtis>>: That would make my f*cking year. That would be so cool! <<You're really SJ in disguise>>: You are the third person to say that since I joined CR a couple months ago. No, I'm not. I'd never enjoy wrestling, nor would I admit it if I did. SJ, on the other hand...<<Hey y'all, watch this!>>: SJ's reference to Jackass comes to mind. <<beak is heavy>>: I'm not gonna ask what the excuse for walking bow-legged is. <<Brook is really rather submissive>>: I'd be humbled too after Demona took advantage of me like that...on second thought, if she did I'd be walking taller than ever. <<don't yell at Lain>>: I wasn't yelling. When I'm yelling, I use exclamation points and CAPITAL LETTERS! 8-) <>: I agree. Even my best friend wouldn't stand up for that, and we call him "mat" most of the time. <<Only for the folks who don't feel exhibitionist>>: Given the nature of posting in this CR, that shouldn't be many. <<You're not an Admin>>: Jannie wasn't yelling either. It was a reasonable request.

Who else is up for rocky on Sat, June 23?

Lynati: <<How do the elephants>>: I didn't ask how. I asked what they were doing up there. Answer at end of this post.

Ravyn/Crazy/whatever: <<Bad Imzadi!>>: You don't know what *IMZADI* means, do you? <<tries to fish mind out of gutter>>: Using your finger? ::sly grin:: I think I'm further down in the gutter than what US subs call "crush depth".

Rodlox: <<Gargoyles on Disney>>: To my knowledge, its only on toon disney, every day at 730 and 1030.

My Type of Woman (since Doug posted this, I get to): Does Not Exist. Kind of like the limit of 1/x as x->0. See, the more requirements/desires I tack on, the closer to 1/infinity my chances of finding her are. Shorter than me, well-toned, small round butt, perfect skin, straight teeth, pouting lips, long slender fingers (dexterity is a must), straight silky hair. Crazy is a pre-requisite if she's gonna like me. ;-) Only ever met one girl with all these qualities, but had the crazy one in over-abundance so I kinda had to run like a scared animal.

Wingedbeast: Deborah was a b*tch, but she was training warriors. You don't yell at a Drill Sargeant for being harsh on the new recruits. But I think Demona was presented as having a good side in all three series (she had little to do with Pendragon, so she's not presented at ALL there).

SJ: What don't I like about Tori? Well, I don't think her music is hard enough for my tastes, and I find her singing voice to be kind of whiny, just as I do with most women vocalists. I do appreciate the musical (non-singing) talent, however. NIN, on the other hand, is one of my favorite bands ever. See the contrast in musical styles? I'm not saying its impossible to like both, but it should be easy to see that there's a difference between the two.

Riddle: Why are elephants jumping out of trees? To squish grapes.

New Riddle: Why do elephants want to squish grapes (this should be easy, even for YOU guys ;-)).

Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
- Rich Cook

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, April 30, 2001 11:32:43 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Dear sweet merciful God, I had no idea that 80s New Wave was such a hit in this CR. Frankly, I'm more than a little frightened.

Gunjack: The really ironic thing is that all of this Tori talk made me put on one of her CDs, so I was listening to Playboy Mommy earlier tonight.

And just out of curiosity, Jannie, why don't you like Tori? This is not a me-to-Doug "You must tell me how you really feel! Grrr!!!" question, but rather a question stemming from genuine curiosity on my part. Is it her politics? I would not be upset if you didn't like her, but rather, from a perspective as a fan, I am interested in seeing what it is about her that people do not like.

Now if everyone will put down their Culture Club vinyls right now, let's end this post with a singalong. To NIN's "Closer".

you let me violate you.
you let me desecrate you.
you let me penetrate you.
you let me complicate you.

my whole existance is flawed
you get me closer to god
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Monday, April 30, 2001 11:02:45 PM
IP: cache-2.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

let's see if this works...

Music - I would say "Hell on Two Legs" or "Walking Death", but neither of those songs exist, dangit! So I'll stick with Liberi Fatali, Whisky in the Jar, The Highwayman, Playboy Mommy (thanks, Lain!), A Little Fall of Rain, and anything written by Hans Zimmer.

Just testing whether I can still post with IE while using a AOL connection...
Gunjack "They're SCAMPERING!!!" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Monday, April 30, 2001 10:29:01 PM
IP: ac9e5440.ipt.aol.com

Kathy: here it it...{btw, do you know if Gargs is still on Disney as well as Toon Disney?}...

http://www.firefox.org/reunion/fanfic.html
The Fanfic Contest
All Fanfic entries due by April 6, 2001*
Categories:
Crossovers <crossovers.html>
After the Kiss <afterkiss.html>
magic in Manhattan <mythology.html>
Best of the Classics <classics.html>
Adult Fanfic <adult.html>
Poetry <poetry.html>
Limericks <limericks.html>
Filks <filks.html>
*Judging will be done on April 7th, 2001

thanks and you're welcome.

Rodlox - [Rodlox @hotmail.com]
Monday, April 30, 2001 09:24:49 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

Regarding the Dark Ages series. I went over that series in my mind and I was thinking about DEBORAH. Was the goal to present her as a good teacher?

If so, they rather failed miserably. I mean, she cares well enough, but she was a horrible teacher and, in those times, a horrible person. She constantly pushed Demona down reminding her over and over again about every fault until Demona was so afraid of making a mistake that she couldn't do anything in battle without hesitating. Then, when she did find some encouragement and when she got over her fears thanks to somebody *else*, only *then* did Debora make good with Demona.

I know it's not nice to speak ill of the dead, but come on. Why didn't anybody but the most evil person in the entire Gargoyles universe (the only one that wasn't presented as having a good side in any of the serieses) notice what was happening there?
Wingedbeast - [wingedbeast@hotmail.com]
Monday, April 30, 2001 09:00:49 PM
IP: hermes1.bradley.edu

Thanks Coyote. :)

Songs: Forgot to add Foreigner's music to my list earlier. Urgent, Hot-Blooded, and I've Been Waiting For a Girl Like You are all cool songs. So is Survivor's High On You. <grins at Kit, who grins back>
Doug
Monday, April 30, 2001 08:17:55 PM
IP: pool-63.52.170.80.dlls.grid.net

jannie/aaron>> i seem to recall that jannie is right on at least one point. i, too, recall that kai asked that lyrics be linked to before that big incident with the lack of room-wipage. i also recall that there were a rather a few others (as well as myself) posting song lyrics in the comment room at that time aswell and the reason given out for why links instead of posting was that the comment room was getting too big and taking too long to load, not because some people didnt like the song lyrics. being as how my computer has a reasonably fast processor, i was rather mortified to realize i had been so inconsiderate to some others in the comment room.
again i state that, because of this reason, i was very careful in posting that yeats poem because it was written to be twice as long as i wrote it in the CR. the song i posted awhile ago was sarah mclachlan and i deemed it to be appropriate because of its content and the current circumstances of a member of the comment room. i didnt think i was "taking advantage of being an admin". if my action was not appropriate then for that i apologize.
i dont think anyone has or ever will say that people other than admins dont have the right to say anything. that would be completely unfair. this comment room belongs to all of its participants, you, me, all the posters and all the lurkers too.

however, though i admit complete responsibility for having created and aggravated the current issue, i would like to make the suggestion that, in the future, this kind of complaint would be better handled in email format.

if someone wants to accuse me (or anyone) of being a bad admin and/or taking advantage of that title, i would prefer it be done in private so that i can calm-headedly take the advice and subsequent corrective course of action, rather than spending half the day feeling angry and defensive and sorry for myself because i felt as though id been cut down in front of people who id like to think respected me.
this is the reason i leave my email address with every post now. so that if people have a problem with anything i do, they can tell me. if im doing a bad job, i want to know. if someone thinks im abusing some privilage, i want to know. if i dont know then i cant fix it.. i cant get to the point where i can do my job better and ease tension rather than create more. for me at least, i think saying comments like this through email would be much more helpful and much less stressful.
for now though, i thank you for your comments and i will do my best to take them to heart. thank you aswell for your honesty, it means a lot to me.

love,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Monday, April 30, 2001 08:15:26 PM
IP: ttya12.ptbo.igs.net

Doug: "500 Miles" is by the Proclaimers. That's a fun song, too.

But I would walk 500 miles
And I would walk 500 more
Just to be the man who walked a thousand
Miles to fall down at your door ...

Ravyn: Yes, that applies to you, sweetie. **hugs back**
Coyote the Bando
Monday, April 30, 2001 08:01:27 PM
IP: 64.243.214.59

Shadowrider: Farewell once again. Will miss you. :( You're right that Kit is going to be the maid of honor or "damsel" at Keith and Stephanie's wedding. Gubio's scanner is broken right now unfortunately but we'll see if we can get some pics online somehow. <crosses fingers> Kit is indeed graduating from college at the end of this month, after that she thinks she's going to stay at Tower a while longer, she really enjoys her job there. Eventually she wants to use her degree to go into either professional counseling or human resources. Both are nice fields. :) And she's staying with me of course. <grin> Thanks for your confidence about the housing matter.

Jannie: <grins> Good to have nice news. Good luck with the moving.

Songs: Round Here and Mr. Jones by Counting Crows are good ones for me, so are anything by Roxette or Journey (particularly Don't Stop Believing), the "I Would Walk 500 Miles" song (can't remember who sings it), Peter Gabriel's In Your Eyes (for me and Kit), and anything by Billy Joel, Garth Brooks, or Bob Seger. Jackson Browne's The Pretender is another cool one, and there are a few songs by Tom Petty (I Won't Back Down) that I like too. I'm a man of many moods, with many songs to express them. :)

My Type of Woman: (Since Kit and Christine have mentioned their type of man...) I generally go for brunettes about my height or shorter, but not too short, with slim somewhat well-toned physiques who are smart, coy, and a little crazy. A pretty face and beautiful eyes and smile are also quite important to me. Kit has all these qualities of course, some other famous women who do are Eliza Dushku, Angelina Jolie (though she is a bit too insane for me I think sometimes), Rachael Leigh Cook, and Rachel Weiss. I could also add Tricia and a couple Wal-Mart cashiers I know at work, but that might make Kit jealous. <Oops>

Speaking of Eliza Dushku, I hear that on Buffy tomorrow night **SPOILERS** Willow and Tara are going to have a major fight and Tara will have her sanity sucked out by Glory. Not good developments, except from a writer's standpoint. <frown> But hey, if Tara ends up getting killed off or she and Willow break up, well, they can always give Willow a more interesting significant other. If not Oz, well, a certain strong tough sassy girl who's been in women's prison the last couple years (where certain strange things go on) might make for a cool plot. <grins and waits for SJ's head to explode>
Doug
Monday, April 30, 2001 07:34:54 PM
IP: pool-63.52.170.133.dlls.grid.net

April 7th? Where does it say that? (So we can fix it)
kathy
Monday, April 30, 2001 06:48:13 PM
IP: rr-56-12-95.atl.mediaone.net

Kathy: when I looked at the deadline on the website, it read April 7th.

so I kinda despaired.

so thanks for hte extension!! {on behalf of myself and struggling writers everywheres}. :)

Rodlox
Monday, April 30, 2001 06:29:35 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

PLEASE HELP!

is _Gargoyles_ still on Disney Channel? {or is it only Toon Disney Channel?}.

thank you...I'm trying to find out where it is.

Rodlox - [Rodlox @hotmail.com]
Monday, April 30, 2001 06:28:00 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

::WE INTERUPT YOUR COMMENT ROOM FOR A SPECIAL GATHERING UPDATE::

Thanks to everyone who's already entered the 5th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles 1st Annual Writers Competition! As you know, the deadline for the contest was supposed to be May 1st (May 15th for filk) but we've gotten several requests for just a *little more time* to get those entries polished and turned in.

So I'll tell you what we're going to do: EXTEND THE DEADLINE!

That's right, you now have until Friday, May 25th to Enter your: Original Gargoyles Short Story, Star Trek Crossovers, Adventure of Oberon's Children, Poetry, Unseen Pack Episode or The Gargoyles Screenplay That the Writers Wish They'd Never Penned!

You needn't be a Registered Gathering Attendee to Enter. HOWEVER, the winner will get to read his or her winning entry at the convention.

For all the details click my name or visit http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/events.htm for the lowdown on all of our events.

::WE NOW RETURN TO THE COMMENT ROOM ALL READY IN PROGRESS::
kathy - [gathering2001@art-chicks.com ]
Monday, April 30, 2001 06:21:21 PM
IP: rr-56-12-95.atl.mediaone.net

Aaron> I didn't yell at Lain. I never claimed to be an administrator of this room either. I guess that means that only the admins can ask someone to stop doing what they had already been told not to do. *shrugs* whatever. And btw, it was not during the time of when Robby couldn't wipe the room, it was before that. He stated that he had received some complaints and requested that those wishing to post lyrics to link to them instead. But then again, I'm not the administrator so I don't have any rights to say anything.
Jannie
Monday, April 30, 2001 05:32:12 PM
IP: 209-144-251-15.hou.port.mytelco.com

Josh> **laughs** Okay, Crazy Ravyn Corax it is! ;) Just kidding. <> Bad Imzadi! Bad!! ;) **tries to fish mind out of gutter** :)

Gside> Coolies! I always LOVED to play as Boris in the game, and my weapon of choice was that one rapid-fire thing...I think it was something like the RCP-90 or something close. Boy, I loved that gun. :) Never was very good with mines...had fun with the grenade launcher, but always got killed. ;)

Christine> <> Boy, I love that too! I always thought he and Natalia were cute together...well, until he ditched her for the bad guys, but hey...;)

Shadowrider> Keep forgetting to say it, but my condolences on the loss of the race car driver. I know how that feels to lose a great driver. :(

Coyote> **hugs** :)
Ravyn
Monday, April 30, 2001 05:23:03 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

*leans in*

well, I thought I'd drop by say "hi" before returning to typing up and studying my art history notes for my test tomorrow. (ooh, and I got a good grade on my philosphy test.)

Imzadi: How do the elephants get up into the trees? they sit on acorns and wait for them to grow. ;)

Ohh, and they STILL haven't fixed the phone lines at Warp's house, so he won't be able to make it online until wednesday. :P (good thing he has a cellphone, eh?)

Gunjack "regular texas gunslinger god" Valentine: hee hee, great time for IM to cut out and refuse to re-sign me in, eh? likely it's for the best, what with this test-studying neccessity and all. and, Yes, there was *much* more to that situation than just that bit I mentioned. catch me later for it, mkay?

lain "a la charlie's angels" iwakura : hee hee...*huggles* I hope they come out good. :D ooh..are ya gonna post the octopus bit after all? I mean, it's not like it has any LYRICS or anything in it...

*wanders off, mumbling about Sandy Skoglund's "radioactive cats" and relatives posting jpegs where any old Gunjack could find them...*
Lynati Kshudra
Monday, April 30, 2001 04:49:22 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-175.rasserver.net

Look! On the server!
It's a PERL!
It's a CGI!

No, it's the FanFic Archive! It's back up!
Fire Storm - [<--- FanFic Archive]
Monday, April 30, 2001 04:29:46 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Ah, that time of year when my life grinds to a halt, and only one thing fills my mind... Finals? What're those? I meant the playoffs!

FS> <<Fear brings you closer to the dark side.>> The Dark Side is cool. Hmmm, if you could use the force, would you use it to give people who annoyed you wedgies? I know I would. <> Beats me, there was a Pizza Hut built right into the hotel, and that was all I needed. <<less than 30 days from my 21st birthday (The legal age in the US to get that stuff)>> Funny, it's 18 where I'm from. <Your link> I can't access it from here, but it wouldn't happen to be a bunch of stick people, would it? <<most turn-based strategy games are too addictive.>> Is it bad that I just bought Warcraft II, and my brother bought Starcraft, along with my already advanced addiction to Age of Wonders? And no, Robby and I have not banned anybody. The CR has always had problems with AOH to my knowledge.

Emambu> Not to be mean, but how �bout them Pacers, eh? ;)

Gside> <<Compulsively read Ranma lemons>> All I know about Ranma, I learned from reading lemons. You've been at the Sakura Lemon Fiction Archive haven't you. <<The AMG goddesses cursed Happosai to have to help people>> I've read that one. Gives new meaning to the phrase, "Anything goes martial arts" doesn't it? <<he got turned into a vampire almost immediately after winning her in battle.>> Kewl. Where did you find that one? I remember one where he sold his soul to win her, to a demoness who wanted him because of his control over hammerspace. <> Probably Sakura. <<Japanese schoolgirl vs. Catholic schoolgirl. Discuss.>> Oh, why choose when you could have *both*. (One of each, I mean)

LM> I'm sorry you feel that way. In future I promise to consider before making jokes, posts on sexual activity, (not that that's likely) or anything else that might offend anyone. And it appears I won't be pointing you to that section of archive I mentioned, as it seems to be the last week of 2000 that is missing.

Caliope> Happy belated b-day. <<Wow, in two days I'll be 20, over the hill and rollin'!>> Boy do I know that feeling.

Welcome Emily R. Please relinquish any sanity you may have on your person, and you'll be okay.

Taleweaver> Congrats on the trip and the winnings.

SJ> <<It's my own personal cross to bear.>> We all have our crosses to bear in life. Mine just happens to shoot people...

Josh> <<and if your smart you'll fly in Burbank>> But the shuttle ride is from LAX is only $16 a head, and the tickets into Burbank were $100 more. <<Speaking of my kind of people, who's up for an Rocky Horror Picture Show in Santa Monica the saturday night of Gathering? Or is there some event/party planned I don't know about and probably should.>> I believe there is an attempt being made to have a Rocky event at G2K1, with Marina Sirtis, (An ex-castmember) in attendance, but don't hold me to that. (Or anything else) Ask the staff. <<If you don't like my sense of humor, don't read my posts or don't respond to them.>> Josh, just admit it. You're really SJ in disguise, aren't you? <<he U.S. of A. ranks 32nd in male life expectancy>> I'm sure the words "Hey y'all, watch this!" have something to do with that. <<Neither. He just has bad posture.>> Hey, be fair, the beak is heavy. Alternate theory is that Brook is really rather submissive, and the posture is his way of showing deference. <<God it seems like everyone in the world was watching Meet Joe Black or Goldeneye on TV tonight?>> Not me! Playoffs on TNT! <<can I say that in the CR?>> I think you just did. Again, don't yell at Lain, especially since those weren't lyrics...

Lain> (Hugs) Honestly, I think maybe you *should* hit your dad. I know you're a pacifist, but still... Some people just need to be smacked.

Dreamie> <<the way this is going we'll have to set up a cuddling room>> Only for the folks who don't feel exhibitionist. (Grinz at Shinigami)

Warpy> Ouch. Dude, that sucks. Did you have backups? (Makes not to back up all his own stuff)

Hello Rodlox.

We had a Green Baron sighting!

Beth> Ah, Love Hina. Robby and I, (still simpatico, even though we are two different people) have decided that this is the greatest anime ever.

Jannie> Please don't yell at Lain. You're not an Admin, and we're trying to break people of the habit of circumventing the Admins. Also, the only reason Kai asked the lyrics posts to stop was that Robby was unable to wipe the room at the time, and he didn't want the room to grow unspeakably huge during that period. Thank you.

My themesong> AC/DC's "Highway to Hell", or "I Wanna Mistress for Christmas" (Or is it a MiSTress for Solstice? ;) )

Shinigami> I'm in an H-rated manga?!? Par-tay! Um, wait, it's not that thing with me and Robin, is it?

Oh, and if you're not watching Space Invader Zim on Nickelodeon, you're missing the first good cartoon Nick has done in like, what, a decade.

Oh, and I can't believe that after all the trouble I went to to find those pics of Robby and I together, there was no comment on them.

Later.

"When I'm God, everyone dies." Marilyn Manson.

"Is mass suicide yummy?" The little girl from Love Hina who is, for all intents and purposes, a catgirl.

Aaron (Not Robby) - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, April 30, 2001 03:13:42 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Hi everyone:)
For some issues of Avalon Mists, my custom made action figures came a little...erm..short...
Well, for next Mists, I probably will only be able to do the cartoons, but I haven't been lazy when it comes to customizing...if you are interested, check out http://wwww.4-inches.de under customs and then under vehicles, you will find two of my works (Republic Cruiser and Tie Defender) Though these are Star Wars Vehicles, they might give you an impression how my Gargoyles Custom Made Vehicles will look like:)
Michael - [michael_heitz@t-online.de]
Monday, April 30, 2001 03:13:21 PM
IP: p3e9e7130.dip.t-dialin.net

Josh> no, it's the truth about me being fat. I'm not one of those gals who is a size 10 whining about not being a size 8. I had lost about 60 pounds last year but since the surgery and stopped smoking, I have gained about 15 of it back and it's depressing. I'm also short (5'1") so that doesn't help. I like that old saying... "I'm too short for my weight" ;) If I was only 6'4", I'd be a model! *L*

Finally some good news concerning my closing!! I just received the phone call that the money has been wired to my bank account in Missouri!! yippee!! *happy feet dance*
Now if only the $2,000 that I had wired to my Houston account at 9am today would just arrive.... the purpose of wiring money is.....??? geesh!
Doug, see why I need a financial person? *L*
okie dokie... gotta' go pack! I'm leaving for Missouri in a day or two now! =)
Jannie
Monday, April 30, 2001 02:30:45 PM
IP: 209-144-251-15.hou.port.mytelco.com

Duh! When Robby was asking for the address to wipe the CR, why didn't I just look in the TGS CGI-BIN file on my HD?

You know... Alpha Centauri is WAY too addictive! Actually... most turn-based strategy games are too addictive.

Madame Destine: Great story, as always!
You do know that you have probally just given alot of writers ideas for inter-clan breeding, right?

Gside: <The stress should have been on the examples, not on Penny Arcade.>
I know. I tried. But the wang just didn't fit in the example.
(Oh... I am SO setting myself up...)
<It might be interesting to have the poem engraved in the ring.>
Poem?

Ya know, I think it would be easier if I just read Lord of the Rings.
Yes, I can already hear the gasps. In fact, it wasn't until 2 or 3 years ago that I even HEARD of Lord of the Rings.
<I'm sure there are so many other polygons, the tearducts were insignificant.>
I know. But can you imagine a 600 poly face with 20,000 poly tear ducts?
<Even the glue side? I'd rather patch a ship from the inside than risk floating away>
Not sure. But what would you rather trust? The pressure from the water trying to push it onto the hull on the outside or push it off into the inside?
<Lovely plumage might also work>
True. I wonder... did he ever get a refund on that parrot?
<Almost, but will it be the plaid of the Catholic schoolgirl, or the sailorsuit of Japanese schoolgirls?>
ARGH!!!! DIRTY, DIRTY thoughts! Stay in my head! :)

Imzadi: <--Guess the quote>
Come on... Give us some credit! Hudson! From "High Noon," I think.
<And I lost my virginity on prom night in typical loser fashion>
Gotta ask... was alcohol involved? Anything harder (DRUGS OR ALCOHOL!)? Glad I caught that before I posted...
<A 3" piece here and there won't hold a ball of silly putty together at 100mph.>
No, but it does hold my cooling fans in my computer case.

Probally renamed Plasma Conduit tape or Plasma Conduit fabric backed adhesive strips.
<Okay, what are you gonna do with it?>
Not too sure yet. But it was only $10 for 30 yards of data-grade.
<Listening to The Cure again? Just out of curiosity, what bands do you like?>
Don't really listen to The Cure.
To be honest, part of me is a great fan of classic rock (Beatles, Stones, U2, Aerosmith, Queen, Floyd, Moody Blues, ETC...), and part of me likes Techno dance music.
Especially Tetris remixes. I may not know bands but I know what I like!
I was mainly thinking of a few classic rock songs, such as "Cat in the cradle." Depressing as fsck if you really listen to the words. I can't even HEAR the song any more!

Man... That SUCKS! ;)
<What's a 40l in 'l337 $p34|< ?>
I think I can anwser this one... AOL
<The kind of code that tells us how to write on chalkboards and sculpt glass.>
Na. No Silicon or Carbon in the sentance. But it is a start!
I know they have found C64 in nature... what about Si64?
<we're never gonna tell you, just drive you nuts with it>
Your right. It's proablly like the difference between Windows and MacOS. VERY little and trivial differences.

Hmm... Something to e-mail thinkgeek about... "Core Dump Toilet Paper"...
<On a slightly related note (music), anyone who says that MP3's are immoral doesn't have 58 GB of MP3's to play with, served wirelessly via Apple's Airport technology, and is probably just jealous>
58GB, eh? Say... if I send you a 60GB HD or a hundred pack of CD-R's, could you make me a copy?
<By the way, my roommate and I have four cacti in our apartment that we're trying to kill. So far we haven't watered them in months and they're still quite alive...grrr>
So, you are trying to kill a desert plant by not watering it?
<We're trying to see how long the suckers can go without water before being declared dead>
Longer than 5 years in some cases. Hell, I have a aloe plant that lasted 4 without watering while sitting above a heater vent.

Green Baron: You ARE alive! Glad you are staying that way! Keep staying that way!

Beth H: 
Sweet! So it really IS good, eh?
;)>
Yeah... thats about my feelings on Rocky Horror... :)

Lain: <pull on their tails till their eyes light up????>
Hmm... I have a picture of Alex's lamp...

Daniel Johnson: <Having fun? Next you'll be claiming to be Taco the Wonder Dog.>
At least I am not Crackers the Lobster or Abraham Lincoln�s Talking Esophagus!
And yes. I am. :)
Hmm... Ya know, that WOULD be a nice name for a TV show in a fanfic...

Robby//Admins: Have you banned any AOL users from this CR? Because it seems to me like some people using the default AOL browser are having problems posting (A forbidden Error). I got a message from Jaden saying he was having a problem posting and I had a problem posting when I used the AOL browser to make that post earlier.
But when I used a different browser, it worked fine. Hear anyone else complain about this?

CrzyDemona: <People seem to enjoy rounding UP on that figure.>
Don't forget that most people make the rooms quad occupancy. In that respect, New York 98 was cheaper.
And yes, that hotel was cramped, dirty, and full of roaches. I still have a picture of someone hammering a roach during the costume party!
Also, everyone who went to G99 will always compare the room prices to that con's prices.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, April 30, 2001 10:43:43 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Today in Philosophy class we discussed why Hume is a lunatic. For some reason, he seems to think that morality is motivated by sympathy, and from this our Prof. drew the conclusion that Hume thinks that if we don't like someone, its perfectly okay to run them over. I happen to agree with that, but I am not what we would call a "moral" person. I don't even know why I signed up for a morals and ethics class. I must be nuts. Oh, wait...

Fire Storm: <<reading this CR on AOL>>: Never use AOL for anything more than access. When I'm used to use it, I'd immediately open up Netscape, ICQ, and even AIM because its a better client than AOL. AOL sucks. The fact that they refuse to update it on a semi-regular basis sucks even more. I hate AOL almost as much as I hate Micro$haft.

Patrick: <<"lazy" is NOT one of them>>: I wasn't talking about you OR the gathering staff. As I said before, you guys rock and I appreciate your hard work. I was referring to Jannie's friends being lazy. THEY don't have all the hotel requirements that the actual CONVENTION does. So they could easily find a cheaper hotel just for lodging purposes if they wanted. <<looked at us as if we were insane>>: We're not? <<Not officially sponsored>>: Of course it isn't. But they'll all be there, right? ;-) <<t-shirt>>: Marilyn Garg is the t-shirt!? Awesome! I want! (the shirt, not the cartoon girl on it).

Jannie: <>: Boo Yaka! <<thanks for the recommendation>>: No problem. Its my job as an LA resident to make sure everyone going to con from out of town can get to what they need. <<too fat>>: Is this another one of those "I'm a woman and unable to look at my body objectively" things? Cuz it sure sounds like at this end.

Spacebabie: <<blame canada defense>>: LOL. <<bathing suits lead to another problem>>: ::tosses out red flag:: ROUGHING THE CR READERS/POSTERS. 10 YARDS.

Revel: Prepare to be icon-ized! Did you draw that yourself? I need to know the artist so I can give credit where credit is due.

Kyryn: <<everybody wants to rule the world>>: And so fitting as a theme song for the CR, don't you think?

DPH: <<How in heck do I disable IE>>: You can't. Not in windows, anyway. Or have you not been paying attention to the anti-trust lawsuit? <<How in heck do I turn off reminders>>: Uncheck the box that says "show me this in the future" or something like that. <<10 cybercookies if anyone...>>: Are we to assume that its code of some sort? <<Pre-installing IE is definitely aimed at taking over the 'net>>: What else could it possibly be used for? <<How many people have been slowed>>: Ah, the joys of DSL. Even ads can't slow me down now! BUWAHAHA.

Lain: <<lyrics/poetry/whatever>>: Thanks for not flaming us in response, as I semi-expected ;-). <<wanna do some bondage?>>: That sounds so much more wrong than it is. <<got lost alot and therefore blew myself up alot>>: Playing video games is no fun if you can't beat up on the new guy/gal. <<my 28" jeans are baggy>>: WHOA! A chick older than me with a smaller waist! I never thought I'd see THAT. <<how much can stress DO?>>: A lot. Lynati is right. You need to relax. And maybe eat more ;-). <<use the extra money to buy a good sturdy set of earplugs>>: A screamer, eh? Ah, just use the extra money to come to gathering.

If Steve [Jobs] put poop on a stick and called it an ergonomic computer control device, Bill [Gates] would have Windows users handling crap all day long.
-iBoast, MacAddict Forum member

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, April 30, 2001 10:41:29 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

jannie>> um.. yeats and tori are not quite on the same level.. seeing as how yeats is a rather famous and world renowned poet and tori is a controvercial singer/songwriter..
but i take the point about space. linkies for me from now on : )

josh>>.. actually.. if kai were still an admin, i probably would be posting just as i have been.. i was rather careful in the way i put that poem together because i made sure i put every other line together so that it would take up LESS space.. i didnt do it just without thinking of the rules..
and.. as mentioned to jannie.. it was NOT tori (cos i know some people in here dont like that and, despite current popular belief, i DO try to be considerate of others' feelings..) but that was rather famous poetry.. also, if you look back, you may notice that i posted tori lyrics to lynati (who likes tori) in EXACTLY the way both you and jannie have suggested and lyn posted back in kind.

if you (or jannie or anyone) still think im abusing admin power, please PLEASE email me about it cos if i AM doing that.. then its very much badness and should stop.
its through constructive comments that people can learn to do new stuff. im new at this admin thingie and still need your help.
thanks very much
: )

goldeneye>> heh heh heh... this is the only video or computer game i have ever played that involved guns and shooting.. we used to play it last year in rez.. my roommate and i would be studying.. then i would look at her and she would look at me and one of us would say, "wanna do some bondage?" .. then wed run down the hall and play bond on our friends n64 thingie. heh heh it was great..
as for proxy mines.. i never liked em cos id never played the game before and got lost alot and therefore blew myself up alot that way.. however.. running away from someone and dropping proxy mines behind you always worked rather well..

and though jannie might be complaining about gaining weight.. i figure ive lost at least 8 lbs since i got home from school. (i got home last monday) and i dont exactly count that as a GOOD thing cos i was supposed to be trying to GAIN weight, not loose it.. im not eating less and im not exercising more and yet its gone down so fast.. im gettin a little worried here cos there is no apparent reason for this.. : (
lyn thinks im a walking stress-ball cos of my father and maybe thats why but.. i mean.. how much can stress DO? i dont know.. im just worried.. my 28" jeans are baggy... : (

but all in all ive been feeling better of late. thanks for putting up with all the ranting i put you guys through over the past week. having a place to go to say that stuff really helped more than you can probably imagine. i think my head would have blown up if i hadnt had you guys..

anyway good times are commin cos im movin out on saturday to my new apartment : D *cant wait* the BAD part about that is my roommie phoned me up last night and said her boyfriend might be living there with her too next year.. unfortunately, its only a two bedroom apartment and both the rooms are right next to each other. she said that if he does move in, my rent will go down though so maybe i can use the extra money to buy a good sturdy set of earplugs..
*wince*

dad and girlfriend and girlfriends daughter and i are going to see the lion king musical in toronto on wednesday night, so ill be giving a review after that. we are also going to a GIANT GARDEN NURSERY on saturday and, since i am rather obsessed with all things green and all things fishy, i will have a blast, im sure. maybe they even have cute koi.. mmm i LOOOOVE koi fishies... fishi fish.. i used to have a blue one called shoomei, dark blue on top and silver-white underneath. (i think that makes him a hikarimoyo) however if i get another, ill look for an aigoromo koi (white with blue-bordered varigated red and black scales) or a taisho sanke (white body with strong red and black patches) mmmm now DEMS is niiiiiiice fishis.. ill shut up about my koi obsession now.. thanks..

also, i found out that one of my former piano students has breast cancer.. (i had students ranging in age from 8 to 49) so.. yeah.. thats kinda hard. im going to see her on thursday afternoon cos i think she could use a visitor.. its eating at me already cos i miss my mum and all that but.. i think my student is gonna be okay, so that is good. she had her operation and they will be starting the radiation soon. i cant believe how angry feeling helpless makes me feel.

well thats all for now,
love,
lain "where deep in the desert twilight, sand melts in pools of the sky" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Monday, April 30, 2001 09:32:04 AM
IP: ttyb17.ptbo.igs.net

Ok, a couple of quickie questions:
How in heck do I disable IE and switch back to Windows Explorer on Windows ME?
Where in heck is a download for a file that will make the Cancel button work on Windows ME?
How in heck do I turn off reminders?

Hmm. Do y'all have to decide the city before deciding the hotel? Why not look and see watch hotels cater to sci fi/fantasy conventions [surely there is a listing somewhere, right?] and pick cities based on hotels?

I'm downloading Active Perl right now. Thankfully, I have 18 minutes left to do that task right now.

Hmm. 4 nights @ $100-$150/night = 1 month pay. Factor in airplane costs and gets to 6 weeks. Factor in food and that equals the money earned while on vacation time. Can't go this year because of no vacation time.

When will this @#$%%^^&*&^^&&%&^&^*(*(%(&*_)((&* recession end? 10 cybercookies if anyone can make anything sensible out of the characters between the words 'this' and 'recession'.

Wait a minute: I don't balance my checkbook either. The only time I have looked up my balance very seriously is when I bought this PC.

Pre-installing IE is definitely aimed at taking over the 'net in my opinion.

Alright only 10 minutes left to finish dowloading Active Perl. Yep, I'm doing other things like typing this post.

How many people have been slowed while surfing the 'net, waiting for the ads to come up? Ever time I visit mail.com that slows me down.

**RP RELATED**
Previously, DPH was left in the Realm talking to Daphne. A spirit had taken over the body of SuperSpeed while SuperSpeed was at Plastique Saber's house.
**END RP RELATED**

**BFTS RP continues**
[The Realm]
"Ok, I forgot to introduce myself, I'm DPH. It seems umm . . . . an organization has detected a wormhole to this universe and wishes to make contact. Where is the government and will anyone believe the story about a wormhole to another universe?" said DPH.
*MEANWHILE*
[BFTS UNIVERSE]
"I'm free at last. I need to warn DPH about the future." said the spirit.
**END BFTS RP continues**
What the heck is going on the BFTS universe? The future should have been secured with the defeat of NCA.

DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, April 30, 2001 09:21:07 AM
IP: max1-55.cwy.cei.net

****Kyryn glides through the CR.****

Songs that fit my personality> In no particular order:

The William Tell Overture by Rossini

Everybody Wants to Rule the World by Tears for Fears

How Do You like Me Now? by Toby Keith

and

Slow Dance More by Kenny Rogers

Shadowrider> It's good to 'see' you again. I am saddened to hear of the death of Michele Alboreto. My father-in-law, who is a big fan of Le Mans, spoke admiringly of his driving skills.

Later, All!

****Kyryn glides out.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, April 30, 2001 09:18:27 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

"Another day goes by, and so does our life..."...and I gotta go again. Hmmm...I always feel sad when I must leave this CR. Well, take it short, I think it is better. I will supposedly be back in a couple of weeks as usual, so hold on until then, everyone!

Kit:> So, you are about to finish college, isn't it? Well, my best wishes for a positive conclusion. Any idea about what you're going to do after that? Also, take my congts to your friends Keith and Stephanie for their marriage. I seem to remember you are going to be the damsel, isn't it? Any chance to see a picture of you in your ceremony suit?...;). About your housing choice...well, I am confident you and Doug will make the best choice. Oh, something I forgot earlier: congratulations on your new vehicle, I hope it will serve you well for as much time as you'll need it. See you soon, my friend!

And, of course, see everyone soon as well. Take care, all of you!

<Shadowrider waves and exits>
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Monday, April 30, 2001 09:01:01 AM
IP: h213-100-109.mi.albacom.net

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Sorry, our portfolio review is this Friday and they are STILL giving us stuff to do, rude I tell you.

Anyhow, that's what I worked on all weekend needless to say so I'm tired, but life goes on. I have managed to do some drawing and writing so that was a good break from school stuff.

Stephen- Songs? I've always felt Right Now by Van Halen was along the same lines of how I feel. Or any number of Lynyrd Skynyrd songs. But when I drive it's gotta be Highway to Hell.

Imzadi- sorry about the typo last time, still working with the ol' finger work. I'll E you a pic this afternoon.

"Shop smart, shop S-mart!"
-Ash- Army of Darkness

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, April 30, 2001 08:30:09 AM
IP: ac91d5a8.ipt.aol.com

...
Anonymous
Monday, April 30, 2001 08:21:07 AM
IP: ac91d5a8.ipt.aol.com

*walks in, carting two notebooks*

Well it seems as though I've been bit by a new strain of creativity demon. Click my namelink to find the first week of my journal/webcomic Knormal. Be careful, may be a few bugs kicking on the page. Also, I've been compelled to draw out a hentai manga. Non-gargs related and a mindf*ck. Kinda like Utena, which I'm back into.

Yes, Aaron, you were an influence in the later. * rare public affection kisses*

I can't wait to get to the Gathering. June, June June... I get to see so many of you! I also get to spend long needed couple time. Ne?

I leave you with the lyrics to a song by my co-patriot Robin Radus.

Early this morning I came down with a case of an inner warmth from an outside place.
I couldn't see, I couldnt stand, as if I had been struck by some cold, hard hand.
Then I awoke on an unknown shore, in heaven or hell or something more...
Saw the young girl, dressed all in lace, looking at me with a smiling face-
sitting beside me there on the sand, though I was a stranger she soothed my hand.
I couldnt help but sit and stare, at this purple girl and her purple hair....
And I tore her apart. And I cut out her heart. Cuz I didnt care. NO! I didn't care....

Shinigami
Monday, April 30, 2001 08:01:33 AM
IP: 143.55.129.219

Imzadi: I think that yo-yo buzzsaw was cool too. :)

Jannie: Doug and I don't really balance checkbooks. It's a lot more knowing what we can afford, settling for it as opposed to something else, spending frugally, and having faith and confidence in ourselves to stay in whatever rut we end up in- and so far we've been able to do that. :) <swimsuits> Ask Denis for his opinion. You'll probably feel better after hearing it. And don't get depressed.
Kit
Monday, April 30, 2001 07:58:57 AM
IP: pool-63.52.170.229.dlls.grid.net

Gside wins again>>>Cyber cookies to ya.

Sj>>>I agree 100 percent, Now I don't watch JA not my forte but if other people wanna see then thats their right as an American and these morons with their Blame Canada defense tend to ruin it all for everyone.
Blame Candada Defense? That's the defense stupid parents use when their kid messes up. "Oh its that Marlyn Manson music they listen too, oh its those violent movies, Its that tv show, Its school it their friends, It 's everone elses fault except my own."
Yes I think next years Gathering should be at DC.

Jannie>>> Bathin suits, I hate buying them too. I like to get them at the GAP though, although bathing suits lead to another problem for me and that soultion is....Nair.

GB was here and I missed it? Wahhhhh

GoldenEye>>>I loved the movie and the N64 game. I love the 4 player mode. My brother his freinds and I have fun trying to kill each other in the game. My brother is always 007. I tend to pick Natalia and yes I killed 007 a few times.

SPOILERS for Last Night
The simpsons was great. Very wacky though. I loved how they examined the episode through the 3 different viewpoints. It was like Pulp Fiction and that other movie Go. Nice to see everything get resolved at the end.
X-Files was also pretty good. I liked seeing the radiocativ oil body jumper again. Good development on Dogget. I Can't stand Kersh! I hope that Arse gets killed!
End Spoilers

"Keep eating like that and You'll bust out everywhere except in your bust"<<<<< Guess, Yes I know its easy as well.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Monday, April 30, 2001 07:02:41 AM
IP: user-37kapfj.dialup.mindspring.com

Lain> I stand corrected - you didn't post Tori last week (or this week) whenever it was... you posted Yeats. Same difference though. *shrugs*

Crzy> ok, the room for 4 ppl is $200. And no, the G99 was much cheaper with the room rates. As I recall it was around $85 or so per night. Please don't misunderstand me - I understand WHY the rooms are expensive now and I do appreciate everything that ya'll have done :) I'm just saying that it appears as if the cons are becoming elitist (sp?) and only those who are financially healthy will be able to attend. I looked at the current prices of next year's con hotel and it's going to probably be in the same price range as this year's.
You wanted 500 in attendance and would probably had come closer to that goal had the prices been cheaper. I'm not complaining as much as I'm just giving a "why" to the lower than goal's numbers.
Maybe this is something that should be taken into consideration before deciding on future Garg Gathering locations - the cost of hotels, meals, etc. ?
There are a few of us staying at a cheaper motel to help with the overall cost of the weekend. :)

SJ> "what's wrong with Tori Amos?" I don't like her and I don't like her lyrics. *shrugs* Personal tastes and opinions.

Josh> thanks for the recommendation for the chinese food! :) We'll be eating there for at least one meal.
I'll be renting a car for the weekend so I'll be able to check out
Kit & Doug> Congrats on your new vehicle! A Ranger, if I recall (memory and brain cells are completely shot by now). Other than being a Ford.... ;)
Wow, Doug... will you be my financial advisor and make me stay on a budget?? =) I'm lousy at all of that kind of stuff. I haven't balanced a checkbook in over 8 years! *giggles and blushes* I have vowed to do better with my "new life" in Missouri. For one thing, I'll be dealing with much larger amounts, so I'll need to be more careful. *nods*

I'm depressed. Anna and I went to buy bathing suits last night. She bought one, I didn't. I'm way too fat, too old, too fat, and have ugly scars running down my leg, plus I'm too fat to be wearing a bathing suit. *sais*
Have I mentioned that I'm too fat to wear a bathing suit? =\
Oh well, I live in an upstairs apt. in Missouri so hopefully I'll loose some weight before moving into my home in August :)

Time to go to the bank and take care of some issues.

Jannie
Monday, April 30, 2001 05:54:48 AM
IP: 209-144-251-34.hou.port.mytelco.com

Gathering stuff...

The t-shirt design can be seen right on our main page.

Re: "after hours debauchery" - Not officially sponsored by the con committee, but fans are free to party all night (or rock and roll all night, and party every day)... whatever they want. Just respect your hotel neighbors if you do... especially if they're not fellow con-goers. :)

Josh > This year's Gathering committee is many things, but "lazy" is NOT one of them. They've all been busting their tails to make this happen, and I love them all for it. We DID look for cheaper hotels. We spent MONTHS doing so, starting way before G2K. I even spent part of my summer vacation helping check places out when I traveled out to LA last July. We approached any number of hotels. Some turned out to not have anywhere near the meeting space we needed. A few, after hearing what we were proposing to bring to their facility, just looked at us as if we were insane and wanted NOTHING to do with a sci-fi / fantasy convention. Others were priced WAY too high... including the place right next door to the Sheraton. Other places with lower rates were out there, but just weren't in areas of town many people would like to send their kids to alone. So after taking into consideration the safety and comfort of our attendees, the receptiveness of the hotel staff to our needs, and the quality of the facilities, we arrived at our choice. If people still want to complain about it, that's fine. But please don't accuse us of being "too lazy to find a cheaper hotel," as that is just totally not the case.

:: tosses his two cents into the hat and scurries off to work ::
Patrick Toman, G2001 Vice Chair
Monday, April 30, 2001 03:54:08 AM
IP: ac880b42.ipt.aol.com

Speaking of AOL...

Is anyone out there who is reading this CR on AOL and unable to post in here?

If so, try opening Internet Explorer or Netscape and then try posting.

If that dosn't work... well, hell... I dont know.

Just your local computer-type guy giving a little PSA.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, April 30, 2001 12:25:41 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Well, Jaden is having problems posting in here, so I am relaying a message from him to everyone:

Well no luck so far. Everytime I post I get the same old message. I still have an idea or two about getting thru but just incase could you tell everyone that I'm still alive.

Green Baron: Tell Green Baron that I hope he likes S. Carolina and that around this time of year when the Drill Sgts. say DRINK WATER they mean it

Doug and Lisa: Congrats to Doug and Kit on the new wheels.
BTW any problems with the fanfic at the fan website or is that just me to?

Jaden
Jaden (As relayed by Fire Storm) - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, April 30, 2001 12:19:13 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

This is gonna be a long one, spent most of the day putting it together.

Ah, another boring sunday. My life is boring. That kind of bothers me, but on the other hand its really relaxing. I kind of like that. My roommate is back from his trip to LA (lucky bastard) where he saw a tribute to NIN at the lazerium at Griffith Park Observatory.

****WARNING: PIGGISH BEHAVIOR. READ AT RISK OF BEING OFFENDED******
Alright I just had the MOST amazing dinner. This dinner was the high point of my weekend, probably my high point of the MONTH. My roommate and I went to Raleigh's, a bar/restaurant reputed for serving alcohol to minors. We walked in and the first thing we saw was the HOTTEST WAITRESS I HAVE EVER SEEN. My roommate and I just stared at her, then took a seat in another serving area. I wanted to sit in her serving area, but its good that I didn't because there's no way I'd have been able to summon my voice to speak to her, even just to order. We're talking a perfect 10 on the Berkeley scale, and 8 or 9 anywhere else.

"Where are we? Cuz this isn't the Berkeley I left!" My roommate said. And we looked around. It must have been "Girls Gone Wild" night at Raleigh's. I saw more hot chicks ages 17-23 then I've seen in the last 2 years of going to school here. And my roommate and I blatantly stared at all of them, making no effort to cover when they looked back at us.
*****END PIGGISH BEHAVIOR**********

Rodlox: <<a pool table>>: Show off. Though my answer was technically correct as well.

Patrick, or other gathering staff: <<always something to do>>: Is there always some rowdy room that holds an after hours party of debauchery? Cuz I'd love to go to that. <<con staff has crawled off to their rooms>>: They sleep? What for? <<t-shirt>>: All this and a t-shirt too? What's the design on the t-shirt this year? Is there a picture online? <<ALWAYS something>>: Good, cuz I need constant entertainment ;-). <<a dinner where NO ONE talks>>: No. What I meant was that we'd talk, but not in the manner that the CR goes. We actually have CONVERSATION, with sound. Sometimes, we wouldn't wait for people to "post" before stating our opinion. It would be almost vaguely like RL.

DPH: <<the minor miracle of crashing both IE and NS back to back>>: Crashing netscape on a windoze box is easy, the OS helps you out. Crashing IE is a little tougher...were you cruising the mac sites? <<comp specs>>: Only the big monitor impresses me. <<stretched the limits of the PC>>: Just THAT stretches the limits? I edit pics in photoshop, listen to music that I'm downloading at the same time, burn cd's, surf the web, chat, post, and write at the same time and I'm in the clear. Just for safety's sake, though, I NEVER do anything while installing software. <<internal LS120>>: Why would you buy this? No one uses either floppies or the 120MB superdisks. Or am I thinking of something else?<<was yesterday's top ten really s l o w>>: Yesterday was a really slow posting day in general. The fact that there were still top ten spots left when I woke up Saturday afternoon was proof of that.

Watering cactus: Perhaps I should have phrased this better. We're trying to see how long the suckers can go without water before being declared dead. I know they can live a long time without water, and we do want to kill them, but overwatering would be extra effort that we're not willing to spend (my roommate and I are some of the laziest people around.

Ravyn: <<maybe I'll see about that dinner>>: This would NOT be the same as the dinner that's taking place DURING the banquet, as I expect some of the CR posters will want to go to that. <>: I am invincible! <<call me crazy>>: Ravyn, Corax, Crazy...PICK ONE ALREADY! I don't think you can use Crazy, though. That would lead to confusion with Ms. Crzy. <>: I have never met a woman that can do this. I have no problems doing this. This means I have better finger control then any woman I know. Can you see where this is going...?

Jannie: <<none of us are going to pay $60 for chicken>>: I wish the rest of the CR was as smart as you and me. Oh well. <<a good chinese place to eat near the con>>: I know a couple places. My personal favorite is called Chin Chin, and its about 20 minutes from the con hotel on Ventura Boulevard. They have a good selection of appetizers that range from $5-7 and their entrees range from 7-10, give or take. I'll probably be there at least ONE meal of con, possibly two or more if I get some addicts. <<not going to be able to now b/c of the prices>>: I'm sorry, but that's bullsh*t. They're just too lazy to find a cheaper hotel, and believe me there are plenty.

Lain: I have to agree with Jannie here. Posting lyrics seems like an abuse of your admin powers, especially since Kai asked you not to and if he were still an admin and you weren't you wouldn't post them. Posting a couple lines from a song as a quote is one thing. But filling up the room with Tori (who I share Jannie's dislike for)...is a bit much. Link to the lyrics.

Coyote: <<bad russian accent>>: You too!? I do the same thing when I craft a beautiful piece of code.

Stephen: <<song that represents me>>: hmmm...tough call. I'd have to say Runaway by Linkin Park. Actually, anything on Linkin Park's "Hybrid Theory" cd would work fine.

Sevarius: <<crazy>>: Amen! No one is responsible anymore. It sucks, especially when I have to step up and be the bigger man, taking responsibility for someone else's f*ck ups. <<rant>>: Ya know, your anger is hysterical! I can't help but laugh my butt off as I agree with every word you say. If, by some fluke, I take over the world, you will be my chief advisor in charge of sterilization. <<Gathering in DC>>: LOL! Hooters!? I'm there! Hey if anyone's interested in a trip to Spearmint Rhino (a "gentlemen's club") during gathering in LA, let me know! <<stare at me like I'm a vitamin>>: Huh?! What does THAT mean? <<Make Yourself>>: Unfortunately, I don't have that album on the MP3 server, so I can't burn it. <<what's wrong with the occasional song lyric>>: Nothing. Its the entire song that's a waste of space. <<what's wrong with Tori Amos>>: She's a whiny b!tch and she hates me because I'm male and doesn't even KNOW me! <<Tool Lyrics>>: That was fine. A couple verses, maybe. But you were nicce enough not to post the whole damn song.

Crzy: <<Can we make sure...>>: No problem, as long as I get one of the waitresses...<<hotel choices>>: Also, I can personally vouch that the Sheraton will have NONE of those problems.

Christine: <<pics>>: Cool pics. <<love when he's so happy>>: I liked when he started insulting her programming skills and she "appeared" to get all pissed off. That was funny. <<Brad Pitt does nuthin for me>>: Then you won't mind me wearing my "I am Brad Pitt" shirt at Gathering.

Kit: <<I'm no Brad Pitt fan either>>: Damnit! My shirt is gonna have no effect!? Surely there are SOME women in here who like Brad Pitt!? <<all-time favorite Bond minion villains>>: Jaws, Odd Job, and the dude with the yo-you buzz saw in Octopussy (can I say that in the CR?).

Gside: <<I'd imagine AOL>>: Yeah, figured it out right after I posted. <<When talking about linear motion>>: Yes, but this is talking about a curve. ;-) <<Then you get to have your fun cleaning up>>: Anal retentive doesn't mean you get off on cleaning. <<is near zero>>: Artists are like prostitutes: for the right price, they'll do anything. They just use a different medium. <<copyleft>>: Okay, not I get it. <<elisa's dream>>: Oops, forgot about that. <>: *PLAYED*? Anyway, I always play as Bond or Alec, but with Prox mines. I'm quite deadly with Prox Mines. <<Wet naked chicks. Woot>>: Boo Yaka.

Riddle: You shouldn't jump through the forest at 4PM because Elephants are jumping out of trees.

New Riddle: Why are elephants jumping out of trees?

Okay, you can all breath easier. I'm done now.

It's below absolute zero, but the Microsoft software still isn't solid
-Dav Holle

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:34:20 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-27-11.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

*enters with a flaming anger that appears to have no concrete source..*
wierd..

jannie>> er.. i havent posted anything my tori in absolutely AGES that i can remember but.. sorry.. ill try to keep it in mind : )
last thing i posted was a poem by yeats so.. o.O..

stephen>> songs huh? oh dear.. theres so many.. most of my favourites.. or ones that i relate to myself are little-known thingies from mostly far away places.. and likely in foreign languages too.. ill try to narrow it down.. to a choice three..
first of all, lovingly at the front of the line, HAS to be "walking zero" by the sneaker pimps..
second would maybe be "push it" by garbage..
third.. for right now.. rachmaninov prelude in c sharp minor, op.3, no2 (the bells of moscow)
(i have a thing for most rachmaninov.. and my mother would never let me play this piece.. though im learning it now..)
*puts her CD in..*
egad this is beautiful..

and i need sleep...
*end post.. more later*

love,
lain "gun ghuth no gaire, DIA, no biadh" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Sunday, April 29, 2001 09:53:42 PM
IP: ttye03.ptbo.igs.net

I just thought of something I would really like to see. A musical sparring match. Not using standard musical intruments in any way, that is. What I mean is that two people with set(s) of tuned weapons (everything has a fundamental frequency) going at each other while using the right weapons to play a song. Imagine a fight perfectly coreographed to O Fortuna, Carol of the Bells, 1812, or Mountain King (maybe even Canon or Toccata). Granted, the combatants would probably have to be masters of hidden weaponry, but that's another story.

Imzadi> <<What's a 40l in 'l337 $p34|< ?>>: I'd imagine AOL.
<<my roommate and I have four cacti in our apartment that we're trying to kill>>: I reccommend a cool dark place. Maybe the fridge, but they would probably be absorbed into the collective.
<<if the tree was tall enough anything falling out of it would kill you>>: In a vacuum. Many things have too great surface area to mass ratio, and air resistance takes over.
<<Shouldn't that be "*where* the best place to break is?>>: When talking about linear motion, where and when can be approximated to be the same.
<<Not if your as anal retentive as I am>>: Then you get to have your fun cleaning up.
<<When I said "picture", I meant piece of artwork>>: My bad. But as you can see, the chances of any artist actually making a representation of me (and remaining sane) is near zero.
<>: I's free to use, change, and give away, but anything you do to it must also be free.
<<There was no sex there>>: Elisa's dream didn't count?
<<That's not nearly as bad as some of her other stuff>>: I think that was my point.
<<Its older than all the other ones?>>: That's the legend, at least.

Greg Anderson> <>: If you have the space and the bandwidth (or are patient), you can get an entire episode off avalon.gargfans.

Ravyn> <>: In the game, I always played as supergeek, wearing my hat. Loved using grenade launchers in the cave.

CtB> <<check out FFC for this month>>: Wet naked chicks. Woot.

SRS Jr.> <<a certain song or piece of music that you felt represented your person/personality the best>>: In charge of the music for the building, are you? Anyway, that would require me to actually have a handle on my personality but since everyone's oging for modern, let me say Marriage of Figaro (the overture, that is).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, April 29, 2001 09:53:38 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

SJ > LOL! Save me some wings, too. The Washington D.C. Hooters... why do I imagine they have a "Bill Clinton Ate Here" plaque on the wall? :P

Yes, it is inevitable that people will complain about something. It's not like I don't have my own gripes about past Gatherings.

Theme songs... it's just impossible for me to pick ONE thing. I tend to cycle through phases where I listen to certain arists for a while then tire of them, clean out the center console in the car, and switch to whatever else strikes my fancy. Right now, I'm in the middle on an Aerosmith and Sting kick, and moving back into longtime favorite Phil Collins. A month or so ago, my car was stocked with Queen and Elton John.

My tastes just tend to be varied and nonsensicle like that. :P
Patrick Toman
Sunday, April 29, 2001 09:17:27 PM
IP: adsl-64-109-195-126.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net

Christine: Cool new pics! Thanks for putting them up. <Hot Guys> I'm no Brad Pitt fan either. I like stocky brunettes with nice demeanors and thin beards- Harry Hamlin, Micheal Biehn, Bruce Campbell, Nicholas Brendon, Alan Rickman, Doug. :) <Boris> I was a fan of that guy also, though he can't hold a candle to my three all-time favorite Bond minion villains (Odd Job, Dario in Licence to Kill, and Jaws).
Kit
Sunday, April 29, 2001 09:11:10 PM
IP: pool-63.52.171.105.dlls.grid.net

New on my site: many pics by Demona May illustrating "The Guardians: Cobalt," as well as new works in the Annex. More updates coming soon. Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Goldeneye > I like Boris too ... love when he's so happy to see Natalia and she just strides over and slaps the snot out of him ... he had the nerve to look so surprised!

Josh > nah, Brad Pitt does nuthin for me. Too blond and tan. I go for fair-skinned brunettes like Pierce and Kyle MacLachlan. ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, April 29, 2001 09:00:28 PM
IP: 18-101.075.popsite.net

Shadowrider: Life's been ok, I suppose. <shrugs> Getting close to the end of my college years, preparing for Keith and Stephanie's nuptials at the end of this week, and trying to choose between the house we got and some attractively priced condos in Austin that are being offered to us by Tricia's friends in the real estate industry (the house is cool, but it is 30 miles from Austin and Doug and I have been worrying about that a lot lately as the day approaches when we'll have to move into it) have been occupying our time. I too offer my condolences on the death of that race car driver of whom you were a big fan (I hate to say it, but I've forgotten his name! :P ).

Stephen: Forgot to say it earlier, but congrats on the new job and responsibilities. Good luck with them. <theme song> Bitch by Meredith Brooks is a good one for me. I'll also take anything by Roxette, Wilson Phillips, Alannis, or Garth Brooks.
Kit
Sunday, April 29, 2001 08:41:56 PM
IP: pool-63.52.171.105.dlls.grid.net

SJ - I am laughing so hard I am CRYING right now. Can we make sure that I am one of the people who gets one of those FREE plates of wings at Hooters?

As for Parents and the TV sitter. I TOTALLY agree with you. (ain't that some scary stuff?) There's hope for you yet. LOL!! ::waits for him to pelt her with sticky carpet from Good Guys::

Jannie: Our rooms are $200 a night??? When did THAT happen??? ;) People seem to enjoy rounding UP on that figure. You just added $61 to the hotel room prices. (The actual price per night is $139) Of course people complain. I am still complaining about paying $150 a night in NYC for a hotel that was just plain DISGUSTING. (I think the dried barf on the walls surpassed the exposed wiring and the air conditioner falling out of the window). We all have our gripes each year. Yes, it is more expensive than LAST year. But if you recall that G99 and G98 were both just as (if not more) expensive. To find a place that has the needed convention space, you can have the con at a $40 a night hotel (if you can even find one that cheap). It's just the facts. It's not just California either. I am sure I will be flamed for defending our choices... but I am starting to get use to it now. *sighs*
CrzyDemona - [crzy_demona@art-chicks.com]
Sunday, April 29, 2001 08:20:07 PM
IP: 1cust189.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

<--time to see what he/it/she/ lookes like.

sev.jr:
I'll ask nicely for you to not treat 'mongoloid' as a bad thing - then again, maybe it's my sympathy for the Mongol Urdu in the 1200sAD. {I think what you meant was "mutt", right?}.
about the lyrics:
you don't need to be so foul-mouthed!

~~~~

hmm...three songs...
{tries to get muses to stop saying "get thee behind me!"}.
"Which way are you going?" by Jim Croce
"Stone walls" by Jim Croce
"the same sun ...the same rain, that drowns the rat will grow the cane" {i forget the actual title} by Amy Grant.
and, in case that doesn't count "What made you say that?" by Shania Twain.

does that help?

Rodlox
Sunday, April 29, 2001 07:53:30 PM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

Me again...;)

Stephen> Well, it depends what mood I'm in...either Travis Tritt's "A Great Day to Be Alive," Garth Brooks & Steve Wariner's "Katie Wants a Fast One," or the Dixie Chicks' "Cowboy Take Me Away."

(Damn, nearly typed "Coyote" instead of "Cowboy"...) ;)

Coyote> I've shouted "I AM INVINCIBLE" with a terrible accent more than once myself...;) Plus I tried to learn that cool twirling trick Boris did with the pen, but I can't do it as fast as he can. I like Boris. ;) **kisses** And best of luck to you on your ASE exam...I'll be crossin' my fingers for you, and I know you'll do great. I'll be waitin' eagerly for the results. ;) But until then, I'd better keep ya nice 'n relaxed so ya don't stress...;)

**Takes both of Coyote's hands in hers and walks out of the room with him** See y'all around! :)
Ravyn
Sunday, April 29, 2001 07:50:28 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Damn, didn't notice this before.

For me, it would be Tool. Most likely "Sober", but a little bit of "Prison Sex" at the moment.

Cause I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this sh!t, blood, and c!m on my hands.

I've
come
round
full circle.

My lamb and martyr
this will be over soon
you look so precious....

But enough with the song lyrics.
Sevarius Jr.
Sunday, April 29, 2001 07:17:20 PM
IP: 66-44-92-69.s577.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

As I sit here watching Johnny Knoxville give a "serious" interview, I realize with a heavy heart that my favorite show on television, "Jackass", probably isn't long for the air. Well, congratulations, people of America, you've managed to once again f!ck up a good thing.

The show has been getting a lot of heat because a bunch of idiot kids, who I will all assume are orphans because it is just not logical to assume that they have any sort of parent, because to do so would carry the presumption that somebody actually show some responsibility and supervise their children instead of just turning them over to the electronic babysitter.

Folks, there is a reason that Harlan Ellison calls the idiot box "The Glass Teat".

There is no responsibility anymore. It's always someone else's fault. Can't blame anyone for anything anymore. It's times like these that I quote one of the great comedic minds of our generation, Chris Rock, when he says "Whatever happened to crazy? People can't just be crazy anymore??"

I'm officially tired of this. I'm tired of horrible parents not paying attention to their braindead, mongoloid, water-headed, retarded children. If you are in one of those groups (1. Dumbass parent or 2. Worthless child), you are a festering syphilis sore upon the pecker of society. My glove are off on this one, and I'm gonna be a little harsh.

Parents of America: if you lack the intellectual capacity of, say, a jar of mayo, and simply refuse to give your children any sort of parental supervision, OR...and this is BIG, it's a big OR....OR if you don't accept responsibility for the actions of your little mongrel (because they ARE your responsibility, no matter how much you bitch that you can't "control them"), than under the SJ regime, when I am finally crowned King of the World, you will be all be sterilized, with red hot sewing needles, so that you will not infect the rest of the world with your hideous progeny. And to all the little dumbasses who've been snorting too much glue and don't realize that it's not a good thing to try and set yourself on fire or purposefully get hit by a car in order to impress Johnny Knoxville or Chris "Bunny" Pontius on MTV, than I will just say this: I hope the next stunt you do kills you. In a deliciously painful way. You, my dear children, are all candidates-in-waiting for the Darwin awards, and your foolish deaths will bring me great amusement.

Forgive the following, but of all the things I tire of, ignorance and stupidity are the turds that rise to the top of the bowl.

On a side note, I will be making my bid soon to host the Gathering in D.C. I'll be going in the opposite direction of the current Gathering staff. In fact, you'll be getting more than your money's worth, as I won't be charging you an arm and a leg for your room and board.
I've negotiated a sweet deal for Hooters to cater your meals (every third plate of wings is free!), and the motel....ahem, HOTEL rooms will be discounted since they're actually located on top of Good Guys. The manager is a good , personal friend of mine (as I frequent his establishmetn quite often), so show him some hospitality. It's okay, he knows the carpet is sticky in certain places. And if you smell something funky, just tell him, he's got plenty of those little tree air fresheners.
I'd like to thank Frank Paur and Michael Reaves for already signing up (boy did they jump like kangaroos on acid when I mentioned the discounted Hooters wings!), but Brent Spiner isn't returning my phone calls. Arrogant prick. I haven't had to deal with somebody that pretentious since Ron Jeremy balked on guest-starring in that movie I was making.

Josh: Hey, you stare at me like I'm a vitamin.
Too bad they keep all the outtakes and b-sides for after the last song, cause I really dug those.
BTW, S.C.I.E.N.C.E. is good, but I still pick Make Yourself as the best Incubus album to date.

And what's wrong with the occasional song lyric?

And what's wrong with Tori Amos?

And Y Kant Tori Read?

And to continue with these rhetorical questions, does lain know what a JERK she is? ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [This venomous post brough to you by the letter "C"]
Sunday, April 29, 2001 07:09:29 PM
IP: 66-44-92-69.s577.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Stephen: Three songs by Meat Loaf come to mind ...

"Bat Out of Hell"
"Peel Out"
and "I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)"
Coyote the Bando
Sunday, April 29, 2001 07:02:11 PM
IP: 64.243.214.138

Oh, and Paint it Black by the Stones also.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, April 29, 2001 06:52:46 PM
IP: dialin-752-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Stephen> Anything by Nirvana.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Sunday, April 29, 2001 06:48:40 PM
IP: dialin-752-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Greetings all...

Today was my first day with my full Area Manager responisibilities in place... and for a first day it went okay. I never had to raise my voice, and for the most part when I asked people to do something they did so without any complaint or trouble. Of course, I still have my floor and shift managers to answer to, so this wasn't a cake-job today (rubs sore feet)...

Anyway, I wanted to contribute a little something this week, so to the dwellers here in the CR, I pose this question:

If there was a certain song or piece of music that you felt represented your person/personality the best (and it can come from any source) what would that song/music be?

I'll let everyone else answer before I explain why I've asked this question... ^_^

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle]
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, April 29, 2001 06:36:16 PM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

AACK! Did I say two weeks?! I meant two DAYS!!

See what I mean? ;)
Coyote again
Sunday, April 29, 2001 05:50:33 PM
IP: 64.243.214.138

**jogs in**

Just a couple for tonight ... oh, and if anyone's wondering why I might be acting a little on the nervy side, it's mainly because I have my ASE certification exam in two weeks ... I'm anxious about it because I reallyreallyreallyreallyREALLY want the Official ASE "You-Can't-Bulls**t-Me" patch on my sleeve so that all those idiots who think I don't know as much as they do can go stuff it!!

Movie choices: Couldn't make up our minds last night ... we *were* watching Ghost on WGN, then switched to Goldeneye when that ended, then I went to bed because I had to subject myself to paid torture again today.

Ravyn: Boris fan, huh? **grins** You should hear me sometimes in the shop ... when I get the lathe to do what I want it to (when everyone else apparently can't), I've been sometimes known to put on a *very* bad Russian accent and go "YES! I AM INVINCIBLE!!" :) **huggles**

'Sall for me. **jogs out**

Oh yeah ... anyone interested (who has an ezboard account), check out FFC for this month, especially when the voting starts Tuesday. :) (clicky)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, April 29, 2001 05:47:57 PM
IP: 64.243.214.138

*peeks in for a quick moment*

This has certainly been the week from hell. Closing was a frickin' nightmare because of the buyer's mortgage company and their moronic way of thinking. Long story short.... 2 days before closing I called my realtor (I'm in Missouri, he's here in Houston) and he tells me that this mortgage company has decided that the new roof must be put on BEFORE closing or they will not do funding... i.e. I do not receive my equity (approx. $35,000) at closing. Does anyone have any idea of what it's like trying to get a roofer to do a complete roofing job in less than 2 days?? one word: impossible. Plus, I'm in Missouri and the roofer needs my written permission to begin the job. I cut my time short in MO and haul ass back to Houston. The roof will be done on Monday and hopefully the mortgage company will send their appraiser back out on Monday, see that they roof is actually being put on and release MY money. So, I'm stuck in Houston for a few extra days and I don't want to be. I want to be back in Cassville, Missouri enjoying myself and relaxing in my apartment! *whines*

I got moved into my apartment and absolutely love it! The history of that building is incredible!! It sits above the old theater and just outside of one of my walk thru closets is a door that leads to the old projector room - completely fireproofed and still has some of the old equipment in it! too cool, I tell ya! I used to go to the theater there in my youngin' days ;) The apt. is 1700 sq. feet and has a screened in balcony that overlooks the town's square and courthouse. I can heckle the teenagers that "drag the square", moon people that irritate me, or sit and pretend that I'm the queen of Cassville overlooking my kingdom... ok, maybe that's a bit too much ;) I will set up an internet acct. as soon as I return. Right now, I'm using my son's computer and connection.
I hope to return to Cassville on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Josh> Mini Clan members are planning on having a meal out together - I think it would be a lot of fun for CR to have a meal out together as well :) Mini is planning on going out instead of attending the banquet... none of us are going to pay $60 for chicken.
I'm sorry if I missed an answer you gave, but someone asked you about a good chinese place to eat near the con... ?? I don't know if you answered that or not - I don't have time to thoroughly go thru all of last week's comments. Would you mind repeating the answer for me? thanks!

Patrick, Kathy and Crzy> I know how much work goes into planning an event such as this and I commend you for it. I do hear a lot of complaints about the cost of everything, though. I really don't think that ya'll can have these kind of prices and not expect to hear any complaints, no? $200 a night for a hotel room, $60 for one meal, etc. is very expensive for the majority of the attendees - high school and college aged people. As one of you explained some of the circumstances earlier, it was difficult finding the appropriate location that would host such a con, so I'm sure that pricing was limited. It would have helped to have heard about the complications earlier, though - it would have explained the higher than usual con prices.
Saying that the prices are high is not a personal attack but more of stating facts. *shrugs* I know that several people who wanted and planned on attending are not going to be able to now b/c of the prices.

Lain> I realize that I'm short on nerves, patience, and tolerance - but the reason that Kai asked you not to post lyrics was because of complaints from some people. They take up a lot of room and personally, if I wanted to read lyrics, I would go to a lyrics website. Also, I really do not like Tori Amos and dislike most of her lyrics even more. A paragraph, a reference, or something short is not so bad, but geesh, not the entire damn song... please?

LSNNL> *w* je t'aime mon amour!

ok.. gotta' walk Juanita again

I have no idea of the next time I'll be online - maybe tomorrow, maybe in a couple of weeks. I'll be able to lurk some, but not sure about posting. I hate this displacement feeling =\
Jannie
Sunday, April 29, 2001 05:46:28 PM
IP: 209-144-251-20.hou.port.mytelco.com

Ooooh-oh! Again in the CR...here, we're having some good Spring days, and I caught the chance to give my ol'bike a good ride on the mountains...that's why I post so late, I've been away all day. Oh, well...

A new fic by Madame DEstine? Wow! I must go and read it ASAP!

Kit:> Thank you for your words about Alboreto. The news of his death was quite a shock for me...oh, well. So, how life has been treating you and Doug lately?

Green Baron:> Nice to see you again, and congrats on your graduation!

Later
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Sunday, April 29, 2001 03:35:45 PM
IP: h217-166-153.mi2.albacom.net

Imzadi> Here's a hint for killing off those cacti...water them TOO MUCH. Really. They can live forever without water, and aren't used to a lot of water. I feel bad for the poor cacti though...;) Congrats on the date for the Gathering too, and maybe I'll see about that dinner you suggested. ;) Oh, and Coyote once drew a pic of my CR persona Ravyn...if you're interested, maybe I'll post up the link someday. ;)

Green Baron> HEY!!! Great to see you 'round here again, and congratulations!!! :)

Christine> Yeah, Goldeneye...:) For some reason, I always liked silly ol' Boris in that movie...call me crazy...;)

Coyote> **huggles tight and grins** Hey, cowboy. ;) Hope to catch you later. :)
Ravyn
Sunday, April 29, 2001 02:08:40 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

**SPECIAL ENTRANCE**
"Are you sure that the server can handle this PC?"
"Hmm, apparantly it did so yesterday, but that was only for a short post."
"Are you implying this post might actually crash the server?"
"Maybe yes, maybe no. We'll just have to wait and see what happens."
**END SPECIAL ENTRANCE**

1st, on toward business of taking care of some CR villains with increased power.
**CR VILLAINS**
Instantly, a forcefield surrounds DC and DC quickly teleports away before DPH can push DC out of space and time. Netlag decides to teleport out of the room. Otto Mobile and Homer Wrecker grab a car and start speeding away before DPH can do squat to them.
**END CR VILLAINS**

Well, at least, I tried. Yesterday, I managed the minor miracle of crashing both IE and NS back to back. Netlag visited me yesterday with this PC. I had a complete system freeze yesterday. Unfortunately, this PC made things a little difficult because I couldn't use the power button to turn the PC off.

Right now, I'm listening to music and posting.

I've installed most software I need. I tried installing Visual Studio, but I kept finding problems with files on the CD that was pirated. So I will have to get a friend in RL to help me with installing Visual Studio. I transferred Paint Shop Pro v3.0 from one computer to another via email. I still have to backup my homepage on this PC.

Computer Specs:
AMD 1 gigahertz
128 meg RAM
1 CD burner
1 19" monitor
37 gigabyte hd

I stretched the limits of the PC yesterday while installing software from CD and downloading stuff from the 'net while playing a game.

Hmm. That reminds me. I wonder how this PC will handle the BFTS RP archive file.

I do have ICQ right now.

I will end up traveling to Little Rock to purchase an internal LS120. While I am there, I will pick up a new trackball for my new PC.

*On towards other stuff*

Damn, I missed Green Baron.

Wait a minute, noone missed me?

Imzadi - You don't kill cacti by watering them because they store water. You kill them by OVERWATERING them.

Was it me or was yesterday's top ten really s l o w.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, April 29, 2001 12:24:07 PM
IP: max1-65.cwy.cei.net

please write into Disney and tell them we want new seasons and new episodes of gargoyles. the address to do so is on my web site.
demona11
Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:09:22 AM
IP: 02-097.040.popsite.net

please write into Disney and tell them we want new seasons and new episodes of gargoyles. the address to do so is on my web site.
demona11
Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:08:04 AM
IP: 02-097.040.popsite.net

Gathering Schedule:

A tentative schedule of events is available online. I've provided a direct link below (click my name).

The wonderful thing about conventions is even when the official stuff is done for the day and the con staff has crawled off to their rooms to grab three or four hours of sleep, there's ALWAYS something going on.

A meal where NO ONE talks? I can get that right here without every leaving home. :P

17 days of Gathering pre-registration left. May 15, 2001 is the deadline to sign up for the Awards Banquet and save on your convention membership or t-shirt. May 15, 2001 is also the deadline to become a supporting member, and both help our charity, Make-a-Wish AND get yourself entered to win a free t-shirt!
Patrick Toman, G2001 Vice Convention Chair
Sunday, April 29, 2001 07:41:13 AM
IP: adsl-64-109-195-126.cleveland.oh.ameritech.net

Lynati: <"What is green, fuzzy, has four legs, and could kill you if it fell out of a tree and landed on you?"> a pool table.

Rodlox
Sunday, April 29, 2001 07:19:27 AM
IP: proxy2-external.owml1.md.home.com

I just recently stumbled upon this site while searcing the internet for stuff and was intrigued. After downloading the Gargoyle Theme Song and reading the first episode, I'm sorry that I wasn't able to see the episodes when they were on TV. From what I've read, they are very well written. I was wondering if anyone has any clips from an episode on their computer. I'd like to see what the show looked like.
Greg Anderson - [foodvelocity@mac.com]
Union City, California, USA
Sunday, April 29, 2001 02:43:45 AM
IP: sdn-ar-016casfrmp174.dialsprint.net

Well, its another uneventful Saturday and I worked tech support and listened to Incubus' "S.C.I.E.N.C.E." album. This is the first time I've listened to it since I burned it, and I have to say that its pretty damned good. I also listened to the CD's I made from all the songs we used to sing at summer camp. God I'll miss that place. I was a camper for 10 years before I was a CIT and then a counselor. It can't be a part of my life anymore, because I need a career to support myself, but I'll always love it.

On a slightly related note (music), anyone who says that MP3's are immoral doesn't have 58 GB of MP3's to play with, served wirelessly via Apple's Airport technology, and is probably just jealous.

In other news: I may have a date to Gathering! A date, as in a girl that wants to spend time with me and is not being paid to do so (that would be an escort)! Okay so now she wants to plan and stuff, so I have a question: what are the hours of the events of gathering each day? Or do they just go on 24 hours a day from 1200AM on the 22nd to 1159 on the 25th? Is there an exact schedule somewhere on the gathering site? Can someone direct me to it?

Gathering: I was thinking we should have a massive "CR Gathering" dinner or lunch thingy (that's NOT a $60 banquet). I think it'd be a lot of fun to NOT talk round-robin. Anyone else interested?

Madame Destine: That fic was BRILLIANT! I haven't laughed that hard in a gargoyle's fic since Kali Gargoyle turned Brooklyn's hair neon pink! It was hysterical, every minute of it. I don't know if you intended it to be serious or light-hearted, but that's how I took it. I liked Demona "coming to the rescue" with her idea, but it begs the question: The gargoyles know many humans. Why didn't anyone think of this before? It was the first idea *I* had when I heard about "arranged matings". Oh well, I guess gargoyles just aren't as smart as I am, huh? ;-). 'cept maybe Lex. But he was probably too busy oogling...uh, nevermind.

Spacebabie: <<Starbucks Caramel Frappucinos>>: Frappio? You have frappio for my bunghole!? Sorry, that was the Beavis and Butthead in me speaking. <<That would be Hudson>>: Da.

What's a 40l in 'l337 $p34|< ?

Green Baron: Congrats! Don't get dead <---guess the quote, everyone!

Beth: <<he actually does 100% of what I say>>: ::makes whip-cracking noise:: Contrary to popular experience, that is NOT a good thing. If two people agree on everything, one is not needed. That said, I'm glad you're enjoying his company so much. <<scallops, shrimp, and squid!>>: No way! I love that stuff. <<bamboo plant>>: Pumpkin? What a great name! <<Outlaw Star>>: LOL. All men spend their money on sex, one way or another. Sorry to disappoint you. <<Club Temptation>>: I think I've been THERE once or twice... <<lost her purse in San Francisco>>: I left my heart there once.

By the way, my roommate and I have four cacti in our apartment that we're trying to kill. So far we haven't watered them in months and they're still quite alive...grrr.

Christine: <<watch Pierce Brosnan>>: At the same time, on ABC, you could have been oogling Brad Pitt making me want to go out and buy a black suit. God it seems like everyone in the world was watching Meet Joe Black or Goldeneye on TV tonight?

Lain: <<how many gargs does it take to change a lightbulb>>: Two. Lexington to figure out to change it, and Goliath to hoist him up.

Lynati: <>: Where? Show me!! <<riddle>>: a giraffe with a dye job. Technically, though, if the tree was tall enough anything falling out of it would kill you.

Gside: <<pedantic>>: Pedantic, huh? Watch this! <<when the best place to break is>>: Shouldn't that be "*where* the best place to break is? Anyway, not only that, but you learn when you don't have to break at all (coefficients of friction rule!)! <>: You are, but that's neither here nor there. <<but will it be...>>: Doesn't matter. The point is, short skirt. <<But Christians took all your stuff>>: More than once. And for some reason, we still have the most stuff. It stands to reason that we have infinite stuff, or a rate of increase that exceeds the number of times Christians take it. <<the mess is half the fun>>: Not if your as anal retentive as I am. <<scary2>>: When I said "picture", I meant piece of artwork. Not a literal photograph. I couldn't make an icon from that...ever. <<Copylefted>>: Okay I didn't understand that definition at all. <<you added one scene only to have the story remain true>>: I disagree. There was no sex there. Just hints of masturbation. That's not nearly as bad as some of her other stuff. <<reason it's called the oldest>>: Its older than all the other ones?

Okay I leave you all with a riddle.

Why shouldn't you walk through the forest at four in the afternoon (4PM relative to the forest, wherever it may be)?

Answer to follow.

Your soul is like an appendix. I don't even use mine.
-Calso, That 70's Show

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, April 29, 2001 12:29:38 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-124.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Imzadi> <<Might help when driving around tight turns>>: Yup. You learn when the best place to break is.
<<Butt has two "t's">>: Boy, you're really pedantic today. And I thought I was bad.
<<now we know what LM will be wearing tonight>>: Almost, but will it be the plaid of the Catholic schoolgirl, or the sailorsuit of Japanese schoolgirls?
<<The jews have it all>>: But Christians took all your stuff. Then the Muslims took ours.
<>: But the mess is half the fun.
<<So send me a drawing of yourself or a picture>>: Check out my directory, I'm scary2.
<<When the ball flew out, the beam was interrupted>>: I think ours had the gun and magnet hooked up to the same trigger, but I'm not quite sure.
<<What the hell does that word mean?>>: Copylefted: 1. The copyright notice (`General Public License') carried by GNU EMACS and other Free Software Foundation software, granting reuse and reproduction rights to all comers (but see also General Public Virus). 2. By extension, any copyright notice intended to achieve similar aims. The Jargon File is your friend.
<<Let's shoot her now>>: No, no, no. They think she's one of them, but she's actually working for us.

Mme. Destine> New Story: It seems like you added one scene only to have the story remain true to your name and reputation.

Spacebabie> <<To be forgoten is worse than death>>: FFIX, ratgirl, a.k.a. Freya

Green Baron> Woot.

Beth H.> <>: As you like it.
<<my friend Melissa bought a bamboo plant>>: Someday, I'd like to have one from which to make my own reeds.
<<What left over money he gets from bounty hunting he uses to have sex with a prostitute at "Club Temptation">>: There is a reason it's called the oldest profession in the world.

The new mp3 is a Louis Armstrong version of When the Saints Go Marching In.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:30:00 PM
IP: gside.resnet.rutgers.edu

*Stumbles in through the fabric gate, glaring back*

Alright! fine! I'll post the silly little riddle.
...in a minute. *rubs hands together* first, some fun with taglines...

Warpmind "I wanna see! I wanna see!" de InzanE: *SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-**takes deep breath**OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHH!!!* check yer email. and tell your friend with the disturbingly familiar name "thanks". ;) *nuzzle*

Gunjack "mmmm, Ceilidh..." Valentine : I have something for yoouuuuu...from lai-ain... ;) ooh, and I finished typing up the base info for all the 39!! ya-hoo.

lain "We can BASH IT ALL!!!!!!! NO RESPECT!!!!!!" iwakura: <and i HAVE to make one of gunjy-goyle wearing a kilt...> I would LOVE to see that pic as an Imzadi icon :D:D:D)
heh heh..and the return of gabby books?? (...duh duh duhnnn!!!) ooh yeah. we are SO doing that. :)
Riddle? WHAT riddle?? ...oh.
*sigh* Fine, fine. since you asked so nice and all...

I have a riddle for the CR.
"What is green, fuzzy, has for legs, and could kill you if it fell out of a tree and landed on you?"

I await your responses with bated breath. ;)

Oh..and lain...I feel I must post my rebuttal...
How many gargs does it take to change a lightbulb? JUST ONE.
...
(no, really. Just one. That's it. End of Joke.)

*Grins and wanders off*
Lynati "Only another 31 hours until the bonfire!!" Kshudra
Saturday, April 28, 2001 09:20:48 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-126.rasserver.net

Hey & Congrats to Green Baron!!!
Doug & Kit
Saturday, April 28, 2001 09:06:58 PM
IP: pool-63.52.129.168.dlls.grid.net

GB! Congratulations!
----
FS:
Having fun? Next you'll be claiming to be Taco the Wonder Dog. :)

Time check: 12:18:40 am EDT
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Saturday, April 28, 2001 08:49:22 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-122-58.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Josh > well, whatever works for you; I just know that as an amateur editor and one who just generally gets sent lots of stories for my perusal, I wish more people learned the basics of the craft ; )

My promised update is not going to happen today ... had to move the entire Gallery as well as various other stuff from one server to another and it's consumed most of the day. And of course just when I was in the home stretch, the computer got finicky. Rather than restart, I'm just gonna surf a bit, watch Pierce Brosnan do good things for a tuxedo, and then head to bed. Will tackle this in the morning. Bleah.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, April 28, 2001 08:41:22 PM
IP: 12-164.075.popsite.net

hey.. how many gargs does it take to change a lightbulb??

what? gargs need LIGHTBULBS???.. doncha just.. pull on their tails till their eyes light up????

"dont worry, it was just a.. Useful Exaggeration... otherwise known as an Outright Lie.." - lynati
lain "ye lame one" iwakura
the Great White, Rather Lonely and Boring North
Saturday, April 28, 2001 08:39:18 PM
IP: ttya17.ptbo.igs.net

*enters*

I had a VERY cool day today!!! My friends from Japanese club and I went to Japan Town to enjoy the Cherry Blossom Festival. I got two Love Hina books, a set of Love Hina cards, some stationary, and a pen with pink ink. ^_^ The coolest part was I got to spend time with David. The best thing about him is that he actually does 100% of what I say. >:) I don't like my men "El Dente", I like the soft and flexible. ;) (And I'm not talking about sex! >:P)

Also, we went to a Japanese restaurant and I got to eat okinamiyaki for the first time! I had a seafood mix dish and IT WAS SO GOOD!!! It had scallops, shrimp, and squid!!! I LOVE OKINAMIYAKI!!!!! *eats a whole truck load of it* ^_^

Now, if you think I'm strange, my friend Melissa bought a bamboo plant and named it "Pumkin." Then she started talking to it like it was a small child or pet. O.o

The only bad thing that happened was that my friend Jessica lost her purse in San Francisco. :( It had her ID, money, and driver's liscence. She was very upset. T.T

BTW, last night I went and rented some Outlaw Star to watch, since I got kind of interested in it by watching Cartoon Network. Oh. My. God. Gene Starwind is a disgusting womanizer!!!! What left over money he gets from bounty hunting he uses to have sex with a prostitute at "Club Temptation". I mean, EWWWWWWWWWW!!! Why did Cartoon Network show this on TV!?! I mean, sure, it was dubbed, edited, censored and whathaveyou, but my god, ewwwww!!!!!!

I think I'll rent some more next week! >;)

Until next time Cowboys...;P

*GONE*
Beth H.
Saturday, April 28, 2001 08:06:15 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

GREEN BARON!!!!!!!!!!! : D : D
*runs in and attack-huggles the green baron*
YAAAAAAAAAY!!
.. i suppose this means you finally got my letter, huh? im sooo glad to hear youre well..
*gives the green baron MORE huggles, then stands back, brushes off his uniform and smiles*
you take care now, you hear?
love,
lain
the Great White North
Saturday, April 28, 2001 06:58:13 PM
IP: ttya17.ptbo.igs.net

Ravyn, Kit, Spacebabie>> <grats> thanx kindly. I don't think I'll post the speech here, but if anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll email it.

Happiness!
Daphne - [suburbanbubble@hotmail.com]
the suburban bubble
Saturday, April 28, 2001 06:26:45 PM
IP: dialup-63.214.222.72.philadelphia1.level3.net

I am l33t! Watch me TOS a server! I am l33t!

Anyone want to cyber? Got any warez?

I am l33t p4th3t1c w00$!
l33t 40l $cr1pt |<1DD13 - [looser@aol.com]
Saturday, April 28, 2001 05:59:38 PM
IP: ac8f5b91.ipt.aol.com

Nice of you to stop by, Green Baron. Thanks for posting, and we hope that we can hear from you again.

SPACEBABIE - I'm also looking forward to the Xavier vs. Magneto showdown next Saturday (I saw the preview for it this morning). Particularly since the preview hints that they'll be giving Magneto his traditional (and most interesting) reason for his actions: the belief that his victory is the only hope that mutants have for survival. (In light of his line in the preview about a dark future approaching - presumably that dark future in question being humans finding out that mutants exist and not being very happy about it). I'd been uncertain as to whether they were going to use it in light of humans in the cartoon not yet knowing about mutants (with one or two exceptions such as the people behind Weapon X), but then again, in "Gargoyles", Demona freely made a number of attempts to destroy humans at a point when humans didn't yet know about gargoyles. Magneto may well be of the attitude that "it's best to strike at them BEFORE they can find out that we exist", same as her.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, April 28, 2001 04:44:21 PM
IP: sdn-ar-004mosloup179.dialsprint.net

Greetings from the Green Baron. I'm at Dallas airpot on the way to my AIT in Ft. Jackson. I graduated from Basic Training Thursday and all is well. Just wanted to let you know how I am. Hopefully, I'll have more Internet access soon at AIT. Until then, just know my address has changed and I apologize for not writing more, but Basic has been intense and busy.

Xena Trek> I hope to call you tommorrow XOXO

Lain> I'm glad to hear from you. Expect some mail soon.

Starsinger> I hope you got my letter.

Bronx, Doug, Heather> Mail will follow fo ryou as well.

Now, I'm off so I won't miss my flight and I'm on a pay thingie with few minutes left. Goodbye for now.

SPC Thomas Forsyth "The Green Baron in a green Class A Uniform"
Green Baron
Saturday, April 28, 2001 04:17:24 PM
IP: 1cust235.tnt2.irving2.tx.da.uu.net

Rounding out the top ten... :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Saturday, April 28, 2001 03:14:03 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-122-58.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

TOP TEN??
Lynati Kshudra
Saturday, April 28, 2001 01:41:41 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-226.rasserver.net

OH OH ME ME TOP TEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!
eighth???
: D
lain
the Great White North
Saturday, April 28, 2001 01:40:41 PM
IP: ttya02.ptbo.igs.net

TOP 10?

I'm back!!
DPH
Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:22:02 PM
IP: max1-37.cwy.cei.net

Sixth! Real post later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:06:59 PM
IP: h213-100-252.mi.albacom.net

Fifth!
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:59:10 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-124.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Forth!
Fire Storm - [Night-flame@usa.net]
Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:58:21 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Third!

:: posts the link again for her new fanfic ::
Madame Destine
Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:23:36 AM
IP: ac97a335.ipt.aol.com

Second!
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:21:33 AM
IP: user-37kaost.dialup.mindspring.com

FIRST!!! Real post will follow.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:16:57 AM
IP: mp-217-203-236.daxnet.no