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Heh heh...okay, here's that clip I mentioned... I just now noticed, as I looked at it, what a goofy smile I had when I recorded it. :P Oh well. Guess I never learned how to smile properly...
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Saturday, June 9, 2001 10:24:16 PM
IP: ip-216-104-69-229.uci.net

Blargh. I never have time for this stuff anymore. Had a lot to catch up with, but most of it's so far in the past that there's not much point in bringing it up now. Though I can't resist mentioning how completely unbelievable I find a certain story about slamming a guy's head into a steel pole for seven minutes straight. The guy would be dead or in a coma, and the guy who did it would be in prison. I just find the whole thing to be ridiculous.

Okay, that was my mean moment for the day. Well, for the next minute or two, rather. There'll be more later. ;)

Saw Shrek a couple of weeks ago. Fun movie. The animation wasn't perfect, but it was better than any other CGI stuff I'd seen before. I think I laughed hardest at the Highlander reference at the end. The donkey got on my nerves, though. I had no problems at all with the "gastrointestinal humor," and actually thought it was funny. But then, the most amusing thing of all is when an author who glorifies incest complains about a few fart jokes in a movie. I'd say I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning, but right now it's evening. ;)

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the Final Fantasy movie, based on the clips I've seen....

The gun control thing...I couldn't care less about, one way or another. I don't mind other people having guns, as long as nobody points one at me.

I don't own a gun because I can't afford one. I've seen some of the price tags, and one of those things costs almost as much money as I make in a friggin' month. No thanks, I have more important things to spend money on, like food. I do, however, carry a knife that I bought on Ebay for $1.99. Flip-open lockback knife with a nice half-serrated blade. It opens as fast as a switchblade with just a little flick of the wrist. Fast, affordable, and a hell of a lot more fun to use, especially if you push it in real slow..... :) Later on I'll see if I can upload a video clip of me opening it to my site, in case anybody's morbidly curious. ;)

People bailing out of the Gathering: I can't help wondering if it's because they found out about Jericho. ;) Aside from a few perverts, nobody else will be very thrilled with something like that. Just imagine the Disney execs' reaction...I wouldn't give 'em an hour before they run into some drooling fanboy or fangirl who starts spouting about what a "great concept" Jericho is. I see the very brief conversation going something like this...

Disney exec: "So, who *is* this Jericho we've been hearing so much about?"
Fanboy: "Demona's son. And lover."
Exec: <blink> "What?"
Fanboy: "It's great! He kills people and has sex with his mother. It's a GREAT CONCEPT!"
Exec (to other Disney exec): "Keep smiling and back away slowly..."

Christ, stuff like this will kill any chance the show has of going back into production. Assuming it hasn't already done so.

Okay, on to the next complaint. ;) I sent a story to Scifi.com a couple months ago...and of course it was rejected. That doesn't surprise me, but it sure does piss me off. Given what numerous people have said about my writing--many of them people I'd never met or heard of before they emailed me--I think it's safe to assume that I know what the hell I'm doing when I write a story. Yet for the past twelve years I've been spending money to send stories to every magazine I could find, and have been rejected by all of 'em--without the editor reading past the name on the manuscript. They want somebody bankable, somebody who's already published a lot of stories, so when they say they're always looking for new authors...they're goddamn liars. As far as I'm concerned, this just proves that success at publishing stories has nothing at all to do with talent, and everything to do with the kinds of connections you have. It's all about who you know and who you blow.

I'm sick of that crap. I've spent literally thousands of dollars on supplies and postage, all for nothing. It's gotten me absolutely nowhere. So I'm through sending stuff to magazines. From now on, I'll just either self-publish or send stories to publishers that accept email submissions. I've wasted enough money on this already.

Speaking of writing...I've finally...FINALLY finished my latest fic. It's fairly long because I just had to cram a lot of stuff in there. I like to keep it more focused, usually, but there was a lot of stuff I needed to cover right away. Just need to get through several plot points before I can get to the fun stuff... ;) Got some fun stuff on the way, though. Anyway, it's in the new-stories section and also on my own website (click my name).

Guess that covers it for now. Got a novel and a ton of other stuff to work on. If only I could get fired, maybe then I'd have time for this stuff. :P
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
"The deadliest bullshit is odorless and transparent." --William Gibson
Saturday, June 9, 2001 09:36:01 PM
IP: ip-216-104-69-229.uci.net

Hmm. Here's a question. Has anyone heard of a disorder where the brain works too fast? That might explain why I have trouble communicating at times.

Welcome all newcomcers to the assylu . . CR room.

Disney - Isn't there enough material to create quite a few movies if Disney started making movies out of Native American legends?

Imzadi - I meant that if I had continued, my post size would have equalled Doug & Kit's. If only you had an idea how many different things I could think about at once, . . .

IQ tests & sterilization - Sorry, but I have some basic problems with that. There is a ongoing debate about genetics vs environment when it comes to intelligence. Until we can say the following expression 'Maximum Genetic Potential' and it has meaning, I'm dead set against sterilization based on IQ. I mean, that becomes the real question: based on genetics, what is your maximum potential for doing this or doing that?

Oh yea, I had a typo the other day and here it is fixed: Here's a thought for animal rights activists - The Humane Society in Little Rock, AR was opposed to allowing someone to set up a horse-drawn carriage service in the city. They threatened to floud one city department (I don't remember which one) with complaints.

That's all for now.

I will try to do a BFTS RP update sometime this week. There are 2 1 year anniversaries approaching in the CR.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, June 9, 2001 08:57:23 PM
IP: max1-46.cwy.cei.net

Prayers for the victims of the school massacre in Japan.

*Groans* I forgot to ask for tomorrow off, and I have a pistol match and my sisters graduation. Oh, well. I'll just have to shoot the .22 match alone. That sucks, tho, because I want to use my new .45 in an actual match instead of practice.

Sorry for taking so long to reply. Started work on Wednesday and basically didn't have time to write, except for late at night. Last time I started replying late, I stayed up until 5.

Anyway, on to replies:

Josh>><<What if, in a fit of cocaine abuse, one of the founding fathers had managed to sneak on the right to, say, throw cats in trees.>> Wouldn't have been ratified. There were 12 amendments approved by the 1st Congress for the Bill of Rights. This process requires the 2/3 approval of both houses of Congress, and the approval (ratification) of 3/4 of the state legislatures. Only ten were ratified immediately, and one more was eventually ratified in 1992, to become the 27th amendment. I doubt they would have put such a frivolous amendment on there, although they would have felt that if you wanted to throw cats in trees, that that was your right, so long as they're your cats.
<>The Bill of Rights lists some basic rights necessary to maintain a free society, and it is not comprehensive (see the 9th amendment). The position many conservatives take is that these amendment don't *grant* rights, they just state them to keep it in the open. If you want, I think that I could make a good try at justifying all of them as necessary. Getting back to your statement, tho, you should remember that the anti-Semitism that spawned the ghettos during the 30's was very in vogue in much of Europe. The actual camps, themselves, are another matter, but many people didn't object to cramming the Jews into little walled slums. Their rights were still violated, nonetheless.
<<Jefferson believes this and probably went along with the wording just so he could accomplish his goal of defense.>>You're looking at it from a 20th century perspective. That sort of guile would have been unnecessary at the time. We had just finished the Revolutionary war about twenty years earlier. If he had just said, "We need arms to repel tyrants," he would have received a standing ovation in any public forum in the Union. There are other quotes from other founding fathers, it's just that this one is very relevant to the discussion as it occurs today.
<<The Viet Cong are not nearly as overweight and stupid as the American populace>>The Viet Cong drew a lot of its members from small villages. Some of the people in these villages didn't know that the world was round. I don't have the statistics to back it up but I'll bet that a lot of the VC didn't know how to read, either. You don't need to be booksmart to be a highly effective guerilla, which they were. You just have to know your environment, and they knew the jungle well. The only other things that you need is an appreciation for tactics, dedication, and the support of the population, so you can blend in after attacks. As for overweight, so what? Fat people can just support the actual fighters, who would be very small in proportion to the population. And you can run a pretty damn good guerilla conflict inside a city, I've heard. The U.S. military is nervous about becoming peacekeepers in a lot of places because of this.
<<<<IQ tests for childbearing>>: And sterilization for those that don't pass?>> They used to be able to do this, although it wasn't through an I.Q. test. I don't remember the exact dates or players, just a general overview and a quote: Sometime before the 50's, the 20's i think, a state wanted to forcibly abort the unborn child of a mentally handicapped individual. This woman's mother and grandmother had also been retarded. The Supreme Court eventually said that they could do it, stating that "three generations of idiots is enough."

Hyperion>> Banning dodgeball?? WTF???

SJ>><<It's a shame they don't have the firing squad still in Indiana>> Nah, that'd be a waste of the good lead. I like my dad's suggestion best: death by explosive. <<Right to throw cats>>*laughs*

Gunjack>><<two more words: Navy Seals>> Yeah, the "green-faced devils" as the VC used to call them. I didn't forget about them, they just weren't relevent to the discussion at hand. The Viet Cong were highly effective at guerilla warfare, but in open combat they got stomped. They got stomped in guerilla war by the SEALs, but they were a relatively small portion of our forces. Same with the North Vietnamese Army. They got squished during the Tet offensive, but that fiasco destroyed morale and helped to finish off support for the war at home. The U.S. won most of the military engagements in Vietnam, but the enemies kept on coming. Eventually, political pressures led to the soldiers being brought home. They won because they were more dedicated, and because it's probably next to impossible to eliminate all insurgents. We'd have been there forever fighting 'em.

"At last, I am FREE! Free from my eternal prison! Now the world shall be MINE! Now I shall..." *Screeech* *CRASH*
"Was the demon supposed to appear in the middle of Route 80?"
--Sluggy Freelance 09/20/97
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Saturday, June 9, 2001 07:29:33 PM
IP: mqt2-pm3-29.dial.up.net

Well, Just dropping in to say a couple of things. In case anyone is wondering we're okay so far with the flood waters receding in every direction but ours. Although they are telling us we have another night of it coming and I may have to pick stuff up off the floor just in case. Right now only the roads are bad, but I have a bronco so right now I'm okay.
On the lighter side of things I am in the process of building a cheap web site. Yes, one of those crapy fre ones, but the price is right and it serves it's purpose, to display work and stories. Check it out if you're bored.

Guns- Kewl
Knives- more a sword person.
Hunting- I say use a bow and arrow like Ted Nuggent to make it fair.
Hell, Norway- I'm sure there has to be a Hell, Texas I'm sure of it.

Oh well, back to reading for history.

"Insert favorite quote here."

Later
Revel - [<<<-cheap site]
High and Dry in the Bayou City, Tx
Saturday, June 9, 2001 06:09:43 PM
IP: ac84417c.ipt.aol.com

Hey all! It's pretty dead here at work so I decided to catch up in here!

You know... I would kill Otto Motive alot due to what he did to my car in the past two weeks (exaust system, struts, tires, transmission mounts, motor mounts... EVERY SINGLE FRIGGING THING was critical!), but at least he DID wait until I had a job, so at least I can pay for it.
I just wish he let me cash a few paychecks first. :(

Imzadi: Is your tech support job still long waits between calls? WTF do you do with all that time? I am going CRAZY with all this frigging time! 6 hours of free time in an 8 hour shift! AND I can't watch TV or talk to LM!
<Why the hell haven't CD's become the standard medium of transferring files?>
Because companies bought boat loads of Zip drives and Zip disks when they came out. Who would have thought that CD-R drives would be cheaper than a Zip 250 and disks would be less than $1 (besides everyone?).
<So now...where's yo' woman?!>
Chillin, killin...
<Its even sicker when you think about what happens when you drink milk and laugh...>
Need I remind you about my tea joke? :)
Lysterene REALLY sucks when it comes out of your nose.
<That said, sorry FS, but that is neither heavy math nor heavy physics. Discuss.>
Ok. FINE. Shall I bring in a weapons discussion on the power requirements of near-future space weaponry?
<MAN THE TURRETS!>
Man, oh man, you would HATE my neighbors!
<Uh...yeah...it takes 42 kW of work to get it to spin at that speed, however>
Details, details... But it would make one helluva backup power system! It would last me 30 hours!
<real KNIGHTS where plate>
And move in L shapes.
<Without a real post and your usual wit, how can we be sure?>
::sigh:: you got me! I am actually a mouse in a robot suit!
<IE is really the way to go>
But it's MICROSOFT! (Hmm... does that describe Bill Gates sexual ability?)

SJ: <proof that the average movie-goer has the IQ of a jar of mayonnaise when it comes to entertainment>
I thought that the dozens of variants on reality TV and the increased popularity of sports (all fighting, none of that pesky plot), and Wrestling (which isn't really a sport... yet it's not quite a drama) proved that.

Azrael: <Just because it's new doesn't mean it will work>
And I have the 2 motherboards, an ATX power supply, a VCR, and a smoldering clothes dryer to prove that!

Unix is pretty cool. The only problem is that I keep typing ls in the DOS prompt on my Win2K box.

Rikan: <Somehow I got to see that it is quite difficult to continue writing when there are absolutely no replies. Normally I would say 'no news are good news', but on the other hand I'm still glad that there is a counter for each story showing the number of accesses....>
I agree on the counter. I mainly just write because I like to... or at least use to like to. I am trying to get back in to it, but back to the topic...
I am amazed when I get mail. It's like, "Holy crap! Not only did someone actually READ my stuff, but someone actually felt so moved by my story that they took the time out of their lives to send me a message about it!"
I got a flame recently and I was more or less happy.

Question about Digimon: In the American version of season 2, there is an episode where Yolli meets Mimi, and there is this whole dream scene of Yoli's where she imagines that she and Mimi are the best of sisters.
Is that how it really was in Japan or did they change a few things around? I mean, they did it on Sailor Moon.
I liked the future flash in the final episode of season 2. Ken and Yoli? Wierd...

Mecord: <did you get rescued from the Matrix?>
There is no spoon.

Warpmind: <For an animated, detailed, scientifically reconstructed portrayal of Sigmund Freud's brain, click my link!>
Truly Freudian!
But remember: Only WOMEN think about sex!

Hmm... my dad has a removeable hard drive as D:
As for me, C:, D:, and E: are hard drives, F: is a Zip 100, G: and H: are CD-ROM's, and I: is my burner. Do I use all those drives? Not really. I just wanted that many!
(Oh yeah... 2 power supplys required.)
<then again, it would seem tazers are legal, as well... I wonder if I could reverse-engineer one into a gauntlet?>
Realtively easy. Hell, make the scythe electrified, just for the hell of it!

Gside: <hope to see you again in here someday (regularly, that is)>
Me too. I miss having conversations that start with "Operations, this is..."
<I'm sure I have it all on my cheat sheet, but I'm too lazy to look it up>
Cheat/Equasion sheets rule!
Heck, I was bored the other day so I made a sheet of the molecular makeup of some nice molecules. Cocaine, capsasian, caffeine, dopamine, etc.
<Take a couple physics courses and build it yourself>
I don't know... really, I would suggest electronics classes for rail guns. The basic physics is simple. The hard part is building the thing.
<That is a question that should never need be asked>
ABSOLUTELY! I have 20 out of 45 GB full. I need a biger hard drive!

Buffy stuff: I checked out a "How to tell if your story is a Mary-Sue" for Buffy some time ago and I decided on the perfect story: A Vampire named Cryztel who has bright green eyes, pink hair, who was a slayer hundreds of years ago. Oh yeah. She also has a soul. She comes to Sunnydale to try to stop some other god, and if the god kills her, the god wins. So she decides to stop the god herself. But she needs help. She meets buffy on her patrol...
And Buffy stakes her! :)

DPH: <Does anyone have the means to get MS Visual Studio cheaper than its normal price>
Whats the hardware that you need?

Tim: Gun laws just keep guns out of the hands of responsable citizens.
<but weither they use a muzzle loader or an "assualt rifle," the poor animal winds up dead.>
Thats why I am in favor of hunting naked while armed only with a ping-pong paddle.

Infinity: <Anybody know how to beat the queen at the end of the Marine segment of Aliens vs. Predator?>
WE CANNOT BE BEATEN!

Beth H.: Just because a math teacher is a prick towards you now is no reason to give up on your dream.
I know there is alot of little things to say like "the road to sucess is full of bumps"
Well, it IS true. This is just a little glitch. Things WILL get better.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, June 9, 2001 05:46:46 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

*appears*
A note about the fanfiction archive:

As of lately, the 'Add new author' - subpage was broken. Not to the outside (it seemed to be working) but it didn't actually ADD the
authors except for a password.

Now I've got a few authors without data. For the time being I disabled their passwords, but I'd like to add them to the archive.

Those authors went with the following usernames:
- Sailor Terra
- 16
- Jolly
- Laylee
- Yohei Kisakorga
- eac2nd
- demoness
- Aris Katsaris
- Vathara

If you are one of theese authors, please send me a mail to the above noted address, containing the required data, and I both add your
account and re-activate your password.

Please excuse this inconvenience - I didn't notice this typo in time, unfortunately.

*bows deeply and disappears*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gargoyles-fans.org]
Saturday, June 9, 2001 05:30:42 PM
IP: dial-142103.hrz.uni-dortmund.de

gunjack.. check this out and give it a try..
you will find me under the nickname "jacob"
i am listed under my normal email address

heck.. it took me five hours to download, it might be worth a try..

lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Saturday, June 9, 2001 05:10:26 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Josh>I got a big fat stinking F on my test yesterday, and you expect me to "take a chill pill" !?! Do you have any idea how important grades are in my town? And if I don't get at least a C in this class, I have to repeat 12th grade! I will not graduate with the rest of my friends! I think my panic is quite understandable and reasonable for the situation I'm in. So don't even talk to me about "taking a chill pill"!
Beth H.
Saturday, June 9, 2001 03:23:52 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Hmm...not that much to reply to tonight for me. Quite saddening...although, I had imagined it was going to happen: Since I come into here so rarely, I'm cut out of many topics of conversation. Oh, well...at least I have a couple replies...so thank the gods for what they give...;)

Winterwolf:> Hi! Well, thank you for the wishes...you know, I had almost forgotten that tomorrow is my Birthday. The problem is that I'm having a lot to do...anyway, you ask how things are for me. Quite well, I must say. As I wrote before, I'm gonna leave for Poland in a couple of days, and I think will be an intersting experience. Oh, I will be online later tonight...maybe we could catch up.

Spacebabie:><<Thanks for dropping by >> For what? Actually, I like to drop by here anytime I can...so I could say I do it for egoisthical reasons...;) BTW, what means "GLOMP"?

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel:> Just in case you missed it, I left a comment for you in my previous post.

Emambu, Dreamie, Winterwolf, Niamhgold, Gside:> Check your email.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, June 9, 2001 03:07:32 PM
IP: h255-22-153.mi2.albacom.net

Good morning folks! My family is at services because they have to be. There's something my brother does the week before his Bar Mitzvah. They didn't make me go, so I slept in till 10:15 or so. God that was nice. Today I have very little to do. Haircut, car wash, maybe work on my fic or do some reading, and then I'm working from 6-midnight tech support.

Still have an extra ticket to gathering, if anyone wants to go.

Beth: Take a chill pill. When it comes to academics, forget what other people think about you. Don't let their idiocy about your "potential" bring you down. No one knows exactly what your potential is, let alone you or them. So be proud of the accomplishments you have, try your best, and that's all anyone can ask from you. And no matter WHAT, do NOT go into a career in math. You WILL be terminally bored or go insane, or maybe both.

Lain and Gunjack: screen names in AOL or AOL IM can't have "_" in them. Spaces between words and capital letters don't count.

Winterwolf: <<they have other talents>>: I think that if someone can't carry on an intelligent conversation, they are not intelligent. It doesn't have to be *about* a particular subject that I know backwards. There are signs, in speech, of whether or not someone has an IQ above 40. <<you can use statistics to prove anything>>: And she just did, connecting two totally dissimilar things. <<Another green-eyed monster>>: My eyes are brown, thank you. <<90+ KB>>: ARE THEY NUTS!? <<then you could have your lap dance>>: Its just not the same when its forced. 8-)

Gunjack: <<Security is a nice thing>>: I couldn't agree more. <<On average, I'd say you'd have a better chance>>: Are you making that up or do you actually have some sort of statistic just to at least LOOK like you researched it? <<We sure spent THAT whole war sitting on our butts>>: LOL amen gunjack!

<<it won't be my flesh you wipe up>>: OH GOD I JUST GOT THAT! YUCK! 8-)

Lain: In retrospect, I spend a lot of time Laughing Out Loud at your problem. ;-)

Gside: <<Though Rene is a girly name>>: This is true. Certainly not a name for a brilliant mathematician. <<I'll just miss singing in the shower>>: No one ELSE will miss your singing in the shower, thought 8-)

Warpmind: <<bald as an average egg>>: Are you suggesting that some eggs have more hair than others? <<Gilette Mach 3>>: Which is, in fact, the best razor in the world. <<Hell>>: This is the name of a city in Norway?

Spacebabie: <>: I think all women should do that...they make better back-scratchers that way 8-)

Okay, off to get a hair cut and redo my highlights so I don't look like a schmuck for Gathering!

I'd like to say that everything is okay between me and that f*cking little slut.
-Eminem, about Christina Aguilera

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Saturday, June 9, 2001 02:04:49 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-172.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Spacebabie - <<NGE live>> You're joking right? NO... NO... I can *NOT* believe they would do something like that. I would boycott WB completely if they didn't still have Angel. That's all I'll watch on there anymore, anyways.

Damn them to hell. No one should touch Eva.
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Saturday, June 9, 2001 01:00:11 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

Warning Rant Warning

I Hate that @$#$% president of the WB, First Buffy, buying Cartoon network and trimming off an hour now this, This may be a rumot if its true...I don't know what to do.

coming to the WB fall line up is "Evangelion:Fly me to the moon" a series with hour long eps baded on the Anime Neon Genesis Evengelion... Now get this. it will be live action. Gendo Ikari will be more of a comical figure renamed...Gordon Endgland and played by Dan Akroid.....Rei will be named Rain Anderson, Please let this be a rumour cause if not.... AARGGGGGGGHHHHH. Joyride that Network president now. He is evil!
End Rant

Gunjack>>>Midiorkawa is a very famouse Japanese voice actor. He has voiced Heero Yui, Zelgadis, Tamahome...and many others.

Josh>>Use my teeth to cut steak? If I had to use any part of my body it will be nails wich have grown long and I trim and file them to look like talons.

Oh well not much elst to repot
GLOMPs Shadowrider>>Thanks for dropping by :)

Sits down at the table and waits for other Eva fans to join her so they can give support hugs, holpfully find out the rumour is false.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Saturday, June 9, 2001 12:52:45 PM
IP: user-37kaotn.dialup.mindspring.com

*Warpmind strusts in, bald as an average egg, and with a few nasty cuts on the back of his head.*
Hi, everyone. Memo to anyone so inclined: when shaving one's own head, the best razor in the world (and I use the Gilette Mach 3) can't protect you from slashing skin, if you don't have all the mirrors you need. Trust me - shaving the back of your head is REALLY difficult when you can't even get the slightest visual contact with the area... :/ Oh, well...

Christine: Archmage? *Gasp* IT MUST BE MINE! Yes, I've just read Dork Covenant, the first collection of Dork Tower, why? :)

Josh: You may quote me on that, yes. Hmmm... come to think of it, it's not really that odd Norway is as bad as it is... we have a train station, a bus station and, I think they're working on an airport now, too... in Hell. No, really, we've got a train station in Hell. Honest! As for that reverse-engineering, I'll do it myself - Gunjack's the man for guns. Rollerball is a classic movie. Go see it.

Beth: Don't stress it. Trust me - I've been there. It'll blow over in time. What is REALLY important right now is that you don't let the depressing stuff get the better of you. And by all means, do NOT stress with the stuff you don't get before you clear up the stuff you DO figure out. (Believe me, I made those mistakes. If anyone had been able to diagnose me Asperger's earlier, I might have been able to get a little more help in school...)

Gunjack Valentine: *Unethical grin* Trust me... I know how to handle catgirls. They'll nary leave me a scratch... }:) As for the Nekonomicon, it's the Great Book of Catgirls. As for the mopping up, whether the emphasis was on the word "my" or the word "flesh", I'll leave to your filthy mind...

Gside: With scythes, I keep drooling over the one from Grim Fandango... };) As for the tazer tips - thanks! All I need now is an old TV. (I think we've got a 20-years-old TV somewhere in the house... still working.)

Well, that's it. Off I go. Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, June 9, 2001 05:04:22 AM
IP: mp-217-214-142.daxnet.no

Imzadi> <<they do not even know who the Cartesian Coordinate system is named for>>: Cogito boy. He had his fingers in a lot of pies. Though Rene is a girly name.
<<You, too, wish your package could hang in the breeze>>: I don't usually have to wish it.
<<People with anti-mass live there?>>: You'd be surprised.
<<All Hail the Engineer!>>: Hail, hail, hail.
<<That sounds like 9GB of PSL to me>>: Very much so.

Gunjack> <<ust 'cause yer an engineer, that doesn't mean it has to control your WHOLE life, eh?>>: But, I exemplify the traits of a stereotypical engineer quite well, without trying.
<<Move?>>: Being attacked while she's unarmed, she grabs the other guy's sword, takes it out of his grasp, twirls it like a baton until she grabs the hilt, ready to attack.
<>: Sadly, no. Though there is one bad scene in episode 8. I mean, his own daughter? And if you think about the law of heat transfer, it would be better just to let the water work on its own.
<<Is Resurection any good?>>: Don't know, haven't seen it.
<<Hands Gside a one-way pass to the Hell of the Horny Dragon>>: Would that be an underaged female dragon of the opposite sex? Why, yes, I did just start Bored of the Rings.
<<Junk Story...? What's this?>>: That would be a hentai story from SWE that was made into an anime. It involved an allegely perfect weapon, a post apocalyptic world, the daughter of the inventor of the weapon, and the android based off a previous mindset of hers.

Ordell> <<Subtitles or dubs>>: Generally subs. I don't yeat have a grudge against dubs, but I do believe there are things that should be subbed (peotry, songs, at least a not for puns).
<<Videos or DVDs>>: I like the extra stuff you can have on a DVD.
<<Where do you buy your anime>>: Not applicable. I am increadibly cheap.
<<What was your first expierience with anime>>: Well, there was the really old stuff (Voltron, Robotech...), but for true experience, I'd say Eva.
<<Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie>>: Haven't figured it out yet.

Aaron> <<the Force will crush your larynx>>: I can live without my larynx. I'll just miss singing in the shower.

Warpmind> <<it just might be the only appropriate term allowed here>>: I thnk you can say fondle, caress, rub, grope, and whatnot.
<<scythe is LEGAL to carry around>>: Shades of Janus. Collapsible schythes can be so fun. So can sleeve scythes.
<<tazers are legal, as well... I wonder if I could
reverse-engineer one into a gauntlet?>>: I say crack open an old TV for the capacitor, hook it in parallel with a big honking battery, strap it to your back, and put a lead on each glove.

Beth> Eh, shove it in a box somewhere for a while and calm down. You might just be taking this to mean more than it is, and stressing yourself out too much.

For whatever odd reason, the new mp3 is Randy Newman's Dayton Ohio, 1903.

Na zdoro'ya.
gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, June 9, 2001 02:32:23 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

and it shall come to pass, that all in the land of the TGS CR shall know why lains computer bears the name "mutant enemy"..
(FYI, josh is oakleyposterboy and lain is wrestlinganangel)

WrestlingAnAngel: good lord... im gonna KILL this computer... i really really am.. and then im gonna resurrect it.. SO I CAN KILL IT AGAIN!!!!!! OPEN MY GO***MN EMAIL ACCOUNT!!!!!
Oakley PosterBoy: lol
WrestlingAnAngel: DONT YOU LAUGH AT ME YOU LA PRETTY BOY!!!!! YOURE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!
Oakley PosterBoy: hey!
WrestlingAnAngel: *brandishes crowbar and ejects steam from ears* okay, my account has been "opening" for the past three minutes.. still a blank screen...
ninety nine bottles of beer on the wall, ninety nine bottles of beer... if one of those bottles should happen to fall, ninety eight bottles of beer on the wall..
ninety eight bottles of beer on the wall, ninety eight bottles of beeeeeeeer.. if one of those bottles should happen to fall, ninety seven bottles of beer on the wall
(still a blank screen)
ninety seven bottles of beer on the wall, ninety seven bottles of beeeeeeeer... if one of those bottles should happen to fall, ninety six bottles of beer on the wall..
Oakley PosterBoy: lol
WrestlingAnAngel: oh and look at that, it cant open the page, how surprised are you? KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ninety six bottles of beer on the wall, ninety six bottles of beeeeeeeer.. take one down, pass it around, ninety five bottles of beer on the wall.. F**K YOU MICROSOFT I WANT MY EMAIL!!!!!!
Oakley PosterBoy: lol
WrestlingAnAngel: okay, now the "back" button doesnt work...
im gonna kill something... bring me a virgin, that i may sacrifice her to bill gates and gain access to my account...
Oakley PosterBoy: I don't think that's enough
WrestlingAnAngel: oh...

thanks for the email, gunjack, but that tasty 1020K file will, apparently, take *FOUR HOURS* and some to download. methinks not. maybe when i go out to work tomorrow, ill just leave the computer on download and it will be finished when i get back..
and if its not, then.... *brandishes crowbar again*
anyway, thats it, no more internet for me tonight..
goodnight all
lain "the computer isnt alive, its not violating my pacefism if i put it out of its misery" iwakura..
the Great White North
Saturday, June 9, 2001 01:09:49 AM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

*Val enters, yawning expansively*

Gyah... No more 4am nights for ME in the next week, thanks... : P
Astonishingly enough, I can't even bring myself to read the gun control debate posts. Guess I'm more tired than I thought. Anyway, I AM planning on joining the NRA, and will eventually be carrying a concealed .357 SIG Berreta compact. Security is a nice thing.

Replies!

Spacebabie><<Don't get that a lot round here, We do get a lot of Mormons though, and they figured out a way to recruit women, cause OMG the guys the send are gorgeous!>> BwaHA! Now THERE'S a recruiting tactic I haven't seen lately... : ) <<Although Iwish I lived near Baltimore so I could go to Otakon, cause the great Midorkawa Hikaru will be there.>> Who?

Josh><> Gimme a lathe, some chemicals, and a welder, and I'll take out anything the army has. Tanks? Mines and HEAT charges. Infantry? More mines, mortars, and grenades. Helicopters and low-flying aircraft? Cluster -rockets and -mortars. High-flying aircraft? Nail the engines from extreme range with suppressed rifle fire. As long as the guerillas have the support of the people, no armey in the world can defeat them. Yeah, I know, you're not commenting on this any more. Just wanted to point out that big guns aren't all they're cracked up to be...<<Well then we see things differently. I'd rather come out alive.>> On average, I'd say you'd have a better chance of survival fighting back than playing the lamb. <<Second, as I'm sure you could tell from a few of the posts, it was getting very flame-war-ish and I have no desire to get kicked out of this room.>> Is it? I couldn't bring myself to read most of the gun control bits... : P <<Badass. I'll take one of each.>> Just wait till I finish the Honest John and the Neo LeMat. <<Talk to weapon-boy over there!>> So nice to have a reputation...

Yooper><<Two words: Viet Cong.>> Amen. Although, to be fair, two more words: Navy Seals.

David G><> I knew I remembered seeing you... we were the three guys near the door to the pool with the gaming books scattered all over. <<Actually, I got stuck there for like half an hour because the people I was invisibly spying on wouldn't leave, and I would have had to give away my position to get out.>> Ha! Why not just open the door, and step outside? He'd know someone was there, but he'd still have no clue who, ne'?

Hyperion><<With the way things are now there can be no discussion.>> Well, you CAN still have a discussion on occasion... You just have to be willing to be seen as a scumwad bigot unworthy of continued life. Sucks, doesn't it? Good points, BTW.

Aaron><<Quite possibly.>> Hmmm. So you look like a 14-year-old kid, you EAT like a 14-year-old kid... exactly how much proof of age do ye have, again? Or is that ROBBY who looks like a munchkin? <<And you have the Puma Sisters?!? Boss, man! Hook me up!>> You sure you're old enough? ; ) <<Which makes for a major babe.>> And some major ears. <<Who's to say I wouldn't?>> Let's hear it for the wonderful and uniquely Texan combination of cockiness and sheer buttkicking competance... <> I've never even HEARD of Marmalade Boy. What is this!?

Atlantis - Maybe I'm just psycho or something, but I kinda what I saw of Nadia. The majority of the main characters were both cliched AND annoying, and the plot failed to captivate. Coming from that angle, I wouldn't mind letting Disney take a crack at the story. Surely they can't make it any WORSE... *ominous thunder in background*

Lain><<in fact, i wont try to take guns from ANY of you.. just dont bring them anywhere near me, thank-you-very-much...>> So what about MY guns? ; ) <<GET THEM AWAY!!!!!!!!!>> Drat. Well, on to plan B. *reaches under his coat for his 10mm* Rabbit stew, anyone? <<you can avoid a goodly deal more than 80% my friend..>> Criminals will be criminals, and they'll still find victims. You can take steps to minimize the threat, but you can never eliminate it. And if your precautions fail, a gun can bail you out of an otherwise lethal situation. And according to the best reports available, they do just that some 1.5 MILLION+ times per year.<<emember the REST of us were fighting and dying waaaaaay before you yanks decided "hey.. theyre winning! lets go help them NOW.. ">> Riiiight. We didn't do much at all... We only saved Britian's butt with lend-lease, beat Rommel in Africa, held out against murderous odds at the Battle of the Bulge, led the invasion of Germany, and carried nearly ALL of the pacific campaign... We sure spent THAT whole war sitting on our butts... ; ) <<one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter>> Have I mentioned recently how much I hate that sentiment? : P <<thankyou, o gunjack, for that brilliant turn of phrase...>> You're welcome. ; )

Hyperion><<Perhaps for advice on tip to win a girl from her boyfrined...I dont' know.>> *shrugs* ...Be a friend, and let things take their own course? That's what I always do...

Warpmind><<Scratch may be the wrong word...>> Be carefull, or they may scratch back. half-inch clams can leave some serious marks... <<*Pulls out a copy of the Nekonomicon for a few brush-up lessons*>> o.O ...What's THIS now!? Share the wealth! ; ) <<A mop may be needed, but it won't be my flesh you wipe up...>> EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!! ; P ...That's shack-nasty, 'Mano! Keep talkin' like that, and I'll have Saa'lynn sic the Spindlers on you... <<Dude, I think you forgot something about my DE...>> No, actually, I didn't. You just have to compute for solid ammo before you can switch over to the funky rounds. WP deals 4d damage to anything in a 2 yard by six yard cone, and ignite anything flammable. I'm gonna write up stats for APEX and shaped charge shells, also, but that should do ya for now. <<Naturally, I'll name it Dante.>> Perfect name. The Dante Custom. I like your style, laddie...

Well, it's near on to midnight, so it's time for me to go kick some booty on Brigandine. Lain, I'm leaving the connection up till I go to bed, so if you get messenger later, just message me.

Peace.
Gunjack "Gunsmith Cat" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, June 9, 2001 01:02:32 AM
IP: ac9c89f9.ipt.aol.com

A bakers dozen more days until the Gathering. Hope to meet all the attending CR dwellers. It'll be nice to see everyone I've previously met and also to meet others for the first time. The love of my life will be there too so you have your warning if I'm not attentive to anyone else. ;)

Doug and Kit> I miss seeing Doug and Kit in here with there big posts about their lives and responses to just about everyone.

Emambu> Emambu where are you? You are missed. Please come back soon.

Caliope> Ah summer time. If only it would leave you with a way to get in here. Tachimodoru Cali!

Intelligence> When you go ahead and talk to someone it can certainly seem that they aren't very intelligent. One of the problems is the individual may not know things that you feel are fundamental or basic. For example you might be speaking with someone that has poor math skills but they have other talents that are outside your own area of expertise such as being fluent in multiple languages.

Jannie> <<Greg> you are the exception to my view of New Yorkers>> Ah I see you're jealous of us New Yorkers, and rightfully so. ;) <statistics show doctors are 9000 times more deadly than gunowners> Pffft! Why 35% of the population knows you can use statistics to prove anything. :D

Imzadi> <NY accents> Another green-eyed monster. ;D <low bandwith> Oh yeah! All they care about is that it looks good. It went like this... Me: The pages are 90+ KB. Them: But does it look good? Me: Yes. Them: So what's the problem? **rolls eyes** Um and never mind that the Jif redesign was by a colorblind artist. Probably explains the heavy use of orange and brown. LOL

Shadowrider> Welcome back! And since you are here Happy Birthday! I know it is the on Sunday the 10th but I want to be sure I'm not late! How is everything?

Jehovah Witnesses> Like the random telemarketer selling something, which I find more annoying, I've just gone with the ignore routine. Standard NY maneuver of course. In some cases it is just the best way to go. :)

Aaron> <burden of no Marina> Well if you are getting more then you'll have more to show later. And since Imzadi is a Sith lord we need to plant the idea for him to use his powers to get her to come by... Hey Imzadi then you could have your lap dance too! ;)

Niamhgold> Ack where did the time go? Sorry I've been so delinquent of late. I'll make it up to you! **huggles**

**Bounces and grins to be Gathering bound in a few more days** See ya!

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Saturday, June 9, 2001 12:44:55 AM
IP: adsl-141-155-109-102.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Same for you, dear Lainy... I'll try emailing you the MSN stuff.
Gunjack "This is SO AGRAVATING!!!" Valentine
Saturday, June 9, 2001 12:14:35 AM
IP: ac9c89f9.ipt.aol.com

Still here, just haven't had time to reply. I'll do it tomorrow.
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
Saturday, June 9, 2001 12:09:52 AM
IP: mqt2-pm3-53.dial.up.net

nope.. it says you dont exist, dear gunjy..
how bout YOU try contacting ME and see if THAT works..
im WrestlingAnAngel
with the caps in those places and no spaces..

its worth a try, i guess....
lain "I HATE THIS @^$*&^*&^@^%$ COMPUTER!!!!!!" iwakura..
Friday, June 8, 2001 11:59:29 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

*enters sullenly*

Hey people. I'm feeling pretty lousy right now. You want to know why? I'll tell you. Remember some months back when I got an award for Achievement in the Math Department? My math teacher nominated me for it. Well, for the past few months, I've been really struggling in that class. I've not been doing well on the tests, and my grade for what I know of right now is a C. My teacher has been acting rather coldly towards me since my first D on a test and I can't stand having that award in my house anymore. I typed a letter to my teacher saying that I don't want it anymore and that I feel sick to my stomach from guilt every time I look at it. I'm going to put the letter and my award in her office mailbox on the last day of school and just walk away. *tears begin to form* All through my school days, my grades have gone up and down. My teachers always tried hard to help me and when I started to improve, they would get these really high hopes for me. Then when I start having a hard time again and not doing well, I really dissapoint them, and they let me know about it. There are two things I really hate that happen in my life: experiencing guilt, and being a dissapointment. My math teacher had these high hopes that I would go into the field of Math, and I crushed them. I'm not saying that I wanted to pursue it, but I hated the fact that I did that to her. She's mad at me for being mad at my dad who isn't much help to me anymore, having a hard time understanding the problems, and not being able to deal with her now stricter rules.

This is why I hate being recognized for something "great". All these expectations are put on me and everyone gets these high hopes, and when they find out I can no longer live up to them, they make me feel like I'm a dissapointment. Damnit, I'm not great at the things I do. And I hate it when people want to make a big deal about it when I do all right. That's just sets me up for a lot of heartache. I DON'T want to be noticed for any special thing I do, because I'm not brilliant. If I act brilliant at something, it's only temporary.

The bottom line is this: I'm not smart or special. I hate it when people get high hopes for me and think I'll be able to do great things, because I can't.

I feel like a fraud and a liar. Everyone was so happy for me: My parents, my sister, my teachers, and my friends. I let them all down. I can't stand it! I feel like a fake and I don't want that award anymore.
Beth H.
Friday, June 8, 2001 11:31:31 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Lain? I'm on AOL, but I had to get a new username/password, and I lost my buddy list. ; P ...look for Gunjack_Valentine.
Val
Friday, June 8, 2001 11:27:51 PM
IP: ac9c89f9.ipt.aol.com

Ugh. Today I got stuck at work until nearly 5 because we were waiting for my dad's car to get out of the body shop. The X5, for those of you who don't know, has this nifty radar that beeps faster as you get closer to stuff, finally "flatlining" when you're about 6 inches from something. Unfortunately, it failed, and my idiot mother backed into a wall (a short one, that's why she couldn't see it in her rear-view mirror). There is a REASON you don't rely on that stuff! Again I say: Women Drivers, No Survivors. So I'm home late, and I'm working tech support all night...again.

Anime Survey:

1. Subtitles or Dubs? Neither. I hate having to read subtitles, as you can't cram entire conversations onto the screen. I hate dubbing, as it looks laughably stupid. If you want to market it in America, you should do the movie in God's language: English ;-)

2. Videos or DVD's? DVD's, all the way. Anime or not, this is the medium for movies.

3. Where do you buy your Anime? Nowhere. I don't buy Anime. I don't like Anime that much, though some Anime pr0n is pretty funny.

4. First Anime Experience: Voltron, apparently. I didn't know it was anime at the time, but I guess looking back on it that it is. It rocked, and I still remember many episodes, especially the first one.

5. Favorite Series/movie: That'd be Voltron too.

Stephen: <<rant>>: Chill, dude. Though you are right on most of your points, you definitely need to calm a bit. And don't dis Galvatron (the transformer, not the dude in here). Galvatron rocks. <<gargoyles...hypocritical>>: Not at all. Its easy to love the stories and the characters, but not the way they're drawn.

SJ: <<start debating the death penalty!>>: Death penalty to jay-walkers! <<god-given right to throw cats>>: LOL. Next time I'll pick something else. But I'm sure I made my point. <<Dodgeball>>: You are so right. I'm tired of the country growing up into a group of whiny pansies that don't want to work and fight for what they think they deserve.

Greg X: <<obnoxious prime>>: LOL. I was always a fan of Hot Rod until the movie when he grew up. LAME. <<vivisection>>: LOL.

Jannie: <<they are not the majority>>: Sorry, but I don't believe that's the case. Though I've only been around 20 years, I can say that 98% of the people I meet are "in-duh-viduals" as Scott Adams would say. I expect the trend to continue, whether or not I decide to remain in LA. <<doesn't everyone?>>: No, I'd rather just have an air conditioner in my pants. Gives new meaning to the words "blow job", huh? <<NY>>: People with NY accents don't sound too bright either. And since most New Yorkers I know are @$$holes, I associate that accent with rudeness. In fact, I don't really believe there *IS* an accent that SOUNDS intelligent. <<we are the GOOD guys>>: Speak for yourself. I'd hide in a cabinet and pop the f*cker in the back when he's turned around. <<after I reach across the room and bitchslap him>>: Way to go Jannie! <<'coon probs, huh?>>: For some reason, I just don't think a southerner should refer to them as "coons".

Lain: <<invasion of hitler's ass>>: LOL. <<capital punishment>>: I like it because its cheaper than keeping the bastard in prison. I'd rather see my money going to schools than prisons. Plus, it more effectively removes him from society. If he's in jail, he could break out and still pose a threat. <<life sentance of spam>>: A fate worse than death. <<sailor uranus>>: Huh, huh. You said "uranus". <>: Wouldn't we all? <<turning into feudal england>>: And *I* shall be their king! <<comparative casualty lists>>: Yes. By COMPARISON, it was "a canadian or two". You can't tell me canada lost nearly as many people as the US or Britian did. <<hey.. theyre winning! lets go help them NOW>>: Um, that's not what happened at ALL. Maybe YOU should be the one checking history. We entered the war when we got bombed. Some wanted to enter sooner, we did send assloads of war materiel, but we had our reasons for remaining isolationist. You guys were SOOOOO not winning when we joined. You were winning AFTER we joined, and even then it took a while for the tide to really turn against Hitler. <<round yankee arses>>: Look, I know you're jealous of my butt, but that's not reason to get snippy.

Hyperion: <<girl>>: Skip her. If she's got a guy, she's not worth the trouble.

Gunjack: <<gunnery>>: Badass. I'll take one of each.

Spacebabie: <<How the heck am I supposed to cut my steak without a knife?>>: For thousands of years, we used our teeth. That's what they're there for!

Warpmind: <<Norway pretty much sucks>>: Can I add that to my quotes page? <>: Talk to weapon-boy over there! ::points to gunjack:: <<Rollerball>>: whuzzat?

Christine: <<Good thing I'm not in charge of the world>>: Perhaps, but you've virtually garanteed a position for yourself when I take over! <<Fanfic Debut, maybe!>>: Like I said, I really doubt this stuff will ever see the light of day. Maybe, if I write something that I think is good enough for Avalon Mists...in the meantime you'll forgive me if I just stick to icons...speaking of which there will be another set for next issue. <<book news>>: congrats. Does that mean we all have to buy a copy for you to be our friend?

Not many people have downloaded my icon set...which leads me to believe that there just aren't that many mac users out there. DUH.

Interest stuff about my website: nearly 2% of my hits come from Canada, and over 1% from Norway. I can tell you guys are hitting my site because of the domains that hit me. Thanks for checking out my site. I'll update it as soon as possible.

DPH: <<our own government>>: You're assuming that you'll make the grade. ;-). <<train him to conquer the world>>: Jarod and Kyle turned out all right in the end, didn't they? <<whoever said basic algebra skills should be required to graduate>>: That'd be me. <<reaching the size of Doug & Kit's>>: Not by a long shot.

Aaron: <<Which makes for a major babe>>: Mmmm..pointy ears... <<Who's to say I wouldn't?>>: The point is that you're more likely to DIE if you force your attacker to pull the trigger. <>: Quiet, yahoo.

If you don't get it right the first time, reload.
-2cooltech.com

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Friday, June 8, 2001 10:03:39 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-187.nhwd02.pacbell.net

yo GUNJACK!!
get your pasty texan arse on AOL IM!!!!!!!!!
lain
Friday, June 8, 2001 09:50:02 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Aaron> the fact that Atlantis use the same postulate than Nadia is to me a good think. And I do hope that Team Atlantis won't fall in the same trap than Nadia did, near the end of the series, by becoming a pseudo space opera, making the Nautilus a spaceship. That really trashed the series to me. though I really loved the episode when Jean was dreaming about making all that inventions, that led to that big Parody of the ship from the 1960s british puppet series The Thunderbirds.
No, really, I can't wait to see how they did Atlantis.

COMICS>Buffy fans, I tell you, FRAY is really a must-read! the atmosphere of the book is unique, and Karl Moline's art really kicks hides! on other new comics, I also really enjoyed EXILES. BTW, who do you think TJ Wagner's mom is? My guess goes to Dr Cecilia Reyes. What's yours, guys?

all for now! gonna get some Zzzz's.
Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Friday, June 8, 2001 09:07:14 PM
IP: adsl-33384.turboline.skynet.be

Oops ... when I referred to Perfect Blue, I meant I looked for the *sub.*
Coyote the Bando
Friday, June 8, 2001 08:56:13 PM
IP: 64.243.214.84

McVeigh: As the son of *two* government employees (both past and present) and coming from a line of military personnel ...

BURN IN HELL, TIMBO!!

Anime poll:

Sub or dub? Both, actually, depending on the voice actors in the dub. If I locate Lisa Ortiz, it's dubs all the way. If not, it's no biggie. And in the case of films like "Perfect Blue," I looked for the dub.

Video or DVD? Forced by necessity to VHS, due to not having a DVD player. Yet.

Where do you buy your anime? MediaPlay or Suncoast. Great places to locate it!

First experience with anime? I probably don't remember it ... I spent the first two years or so of my life in Japan. My mom, on the other hand, evidently watched quite a bit of Japanese TV, including some weird soap opera involving a girl who seemed to get raped every frickin' day and the ORIGINAL "Cutey Honey." My first experience that I can *remember* with anime was Robotech and Voltron.

Personal favorite anime? So many ... but to make the list short: Slayers, Evangelion, Trigun, 3X3 Eyes, "A Wind Named Amnesia," "Perfect Blue," and "Ghost in the Shell." By and large, my collection of anime, though, is dominated by anything Slayers-related. Including Lost Universe, which I've started collecting since Trigun is nearing its end. :)
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, June 8, 2001 06:42:36 PM
IP: 64.243.214.84

And now, in a move that will forever convince some people that Robby and I *are* the same person...

Stephen, get over *your*self. You may have nothing more to say on the matter, but I do. So don't claim to speak for everyone here, telling Galvie to take anything of his elsewhere. He has as much right to his view of Disney as the animation equivalent of Micro$haft as you do to your belief in their inability to do wrong.

I don't think Galvie bashed Disney *animation*. I think it's Disney management he has a problem with. And for the record, so do I. I think Disney has behaved in a manner that is downright shameful these last few years, from their obvious (and successful) attempt to knobble Mononoke to their blatant, money-grubbing sequeling of classics, to stuffing another song and dance number into Beauty and the Beast for the reissue.

The Lion King *is* Kimba The White Lion with musical interludes. I don't know how you can argue that. The plot, the similarity of names, Hell, even the design for Pride Rock, are all eerily similar. Too similar to be coincidence.

And as for Atlantis having "Some similarities"?!?!?!? WTF?!?!?!? How �bout character designs who look like aged versions of the Nadia cast? How bout an almost identical plot? How �bout that big glowy jewel thing the heroines of both movies have?

And as for some of your other statements...

<<where Disney took the original footage, renamed every character and released the film under their trademark>> Something like Kiki's Delivery Service, say?

<<be bashed on by every little pissant armchair entertainment critic that comes down the pike (not meaning you, Galvie, but there are a few others I would care to point to)...>> Except you obviously don't care to point to them, or you would. And since I feel I may be on that list, I say step up and name names.

<<"The Black Cauldron">> Don Bluth's baby. One of the best animated story tellers in the western hemisphere, whose career never really recovered after that falling out with Disney. Something else that can be laid on their head. If there were any justice in the world, Dreamworks would have started a decade sooner, and Bluth would have headed their animation department. That way, there never would have been a *musical* sequel to The Rats of NIMH.

<<an american artistic institution.>> Please. Disney is a business, pure and simple. Certainly is these days. Lady and the Tramp 2 my pasty white butt...

And for the record, even casual anime fans who saw Mononoke before they saw Fantasia 2000 were struck by the similarity of the Firebird Suite segment. Especially my brother, whose exact words thirty seconds in were "Oh what does *this* look like?!?"

Anyone who feels like I do, click my link, and see what the new wallpaper for my computer is going to be.

And to more congenial replies...

Josh> << It's called Demona.>> No, you're missing the rest of the statement. She looks like someone wanted to make a Delilah-like creature, but instead of human(Maza) DNA, they substituted High Elf(Deed) DNA. Which makes for a major babe. (Hmmm, question for all the Slayers fans: Would you consider Delilah to be a chimera?) <<After a year in an Algebra class, you'd understand it. Trust me.>> Why should a third time around make any difference? <<YOU are not a jedi.>> Never claimed to be. THEY can't do nasty things like that. <<I'd rather come out alive.>> Who's to say I wouldn't? <<Doesn't mean I want all you yahoos having them.>> As a Texan, I object to your use of the word yahoos, and object even more to the idea the we could be disarmed. ;)

David G> I like Marmalade Boy.

Jannie> You do know I'm just ribbing you a little, right? :) And the last time I looked, the Smirker's approval rating had fallen below fifty percent...

Wilek> The anime you're thinking of is Nausicaa, (sp) Valley of the Wind. A supposed classic. It made my butt hurt. Watch for the magical color-changing dress.

Spacebabie> <<NBA Am I the only one who wants to see the Lakers have their butts handed to them by Philly?>> HELL NO! My gods game one was a thing of beauty, wasn't it? I'm hoping for more tonight.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, June 8, 2001 06:36:13 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Great, there are two Daniel's in this room and now a Danielle. I think we need to attract another Danielle, 2 Danny's, and 2 Dan's to this room just to add to the confusion.

Imzadi - What I meant is go to, let's say, a federal building and take the IQ test by computer there. I would actually advocate creating a space colony for those who have certain IQ levels are higher and then forming our own government.

Knife debate - When I was in public schools, we couldn't carry around compasses (to draw circles with) because having the sharp point would be a 'consealed weapon'.

Actually, I have a rather unique solution to buglars. Greet them with a water gun full of liquidified jalapeno peppers. A couple of squirts to the eyes and they're blind for a few minutes, long enough to get cops on the scene.

Genetic engineering - Frankly, I am not sure that is a good idea. Somebody could create a pretender (beyond genius) and train him to conquer the world. How would you stop such a person?

Here's another statement, but I will not reveal the source (it isn't me): You have the right to free speech, but not the right to be heard.

Here's a thought for animal rights activists - The Humane Society in Little Rock, AR was opposed to allowing someone to set up a house-drawn carriage service in the city. They threatened to floud one city department (I don't remember which one) with complaints.

I agree with whoever said basic algebra skills should be required to graduate. If you can't read and write, what the heck are you doing in any grade beyond 5th?

Oh no, this post is approaching reaching the size of Doug & Kit's former posts. Beware.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, June 8, 2001 02:30:49 PM
IP: max1-10.cwy.cei.net

I've been doing exams all week and missed where it was... but to whoever was trying to lay the rather disconcerting increase in violent in crime in Britain on our banning of handguns, that's a complete nonsense. The fact that the police are retiring and quitting without reprieve, that the Home Secretary (former... or probably former) got booed, jeered and laughed at during his speech to the Police Federation, and that the country is so disenchanted with politicians that a sixth less people than average voted in the General Election is a good reason. (And yes, the side of the criminal does seem to be the favoured one in the opinion of many). If you imagine that level of ineptitude and chuck in easy access to guns for our resident loonies...? "You are now leaving Frying Pan, and entering Fire! Bye-bye for now!"
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Friday, June 8, 2001 02:26:10 PM
IP: ac9254cb.ipt.aol.com

Josh > yeah, compulsory sterilization, I'd be in favor of that; after witnessing what happened to a baby born to two of the residents at the place I used to work, I'd extend it to more than just low IQ. Good thing I'm not in charge of the world. As for the fanfic, hey, don't be so negative; Avalon Mists is always looking for a new range of talent! Fanfic Debut, maybe!

Book news > 16 boxes arrived chez Morgan yesterday, so Archmage is here (in plenty of time before the Gathering, for a change!). And it's gorgeous!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, June 8, 2001 01:44:23 PM
IP: 18-064.075.popsite.net

*Warpmind enters, whistling a merry tune.*
Well, now virtually EVERYTHING is ready for the con trip... tickets, passport, a big, sturdy suitcase, all I need now are some clothes... ;)

Lain: The Canadian army's got extensive training with pointy sticks? *Blink* YOU'VE GOT PIKEMEN??? :D

Aaron: Aaaah, right - I just couldn't place the reference then and there...

Gside: Scratch may be the wrong word... but, alas, it just might be the only appropriate term allowed here... *Pulls out a copy of the Nekonomicon for a few brush-up lessons*

Josh: Correct, Norway pretty much sucks. (And we've got more political parties than you can shake a stick at - and believe me, that is quite necessary from time to time.)

Gunjack: A mop may be needed, but it won't be my flesh you wipe up...

Hmmm... the weapons issue: I just realized something... if I've interpreted the Norwegian laws correctly... a large knife is illegal to carry around... a gun is illegal to carry around... a scythe is LEGAL to carry around... hmmm... this hath potential... then again, it would seem tazers are legal, as well... I wonder if I could reverse-engineer one into a gauntlet? }:) And, heck, while I'd like a gun, I'd probably use it solely on non-moving targets; I doubt I could find myself capable of shooting anyone... I'd much rather use a string - quieter and less messy.

Hyperion/SJ: Let's make a stand for Dodgeball! And while we're at it, try to lure in a good word for Rollerball while we're at it, hmmm? }:) (And yes, I'm utterly serious here - I'd LIKE to see genuine Rollerball tournaments.)

Shinigami: Okay, that song's funny too... :)

Gunjack Valentine: Dude, I think you forgot something about my DE... WP shells, my dear armorer... WP SHELLS, NOT bullets. *Unethical grin* Naturally, I'll name it Dante. }:)

Well, that about ends my post. Later. *Goes off to play Dungeon Keeper II a little...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, June 8, 2001 01:42:43 PM
IP: mp-216-47-188.daxnet.no

Another point on gun control.

In Japan, Not sure Osaka possibly but there was an incident where a mentaly disturbed man stabbed several children.

Getting rid of guns is not the soltuion, if we did get rid of guns and kids start stabbing other kids at school will those idiots try to ban knives too? Hey How the heck am I supposed to cut my steak without a knife?
Spacebabie
Orlando
Friday, June 8, 2001 01:32:41 PM
IP: user-37kaou5.dialup.mindspring.com

Capitol punishment>>>I'm for it and Tim McVay certainly deserves it!

Corpral punishment>>>> I'm against it at schools, Know one is alloud to paddle my kin without my permission..At home yes but only at the last resort, besides Making them sit on their imagination is a good enough punishment.

1. Subtitles or dubs? I actually have no preference, I have SairlorMoonS and the first half of SuperS fansubbed, Fushigi Yugi,Video girl Ai, and Princess Rogue subbed, Magic Knight, Utena and Slayers dubbed.
2. Videos or DVDs? I'm begging to get some anime on DVD. So far I have Slayers Next and the first Neon Genesis Evengelion DVD((Four languages!))
3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.) Online...cheaper than the mall.
4. What was your first expierience with anime? My earliest memory was of G-force, then Voltron and then the anime on sci Fi
5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie?
My favorite Series includes Slayers and Rayearth as for movies...The only ones I've seen are Vampire Hunter D and Ghost in the Shell

MTV MOVIE AWARDS....Thank goodness Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon won for best fight but I think a different movie than Gladiator should have won best picture.

As for the hosts: I think they did a good job, loved the Mummy Returns style opening and I know somewhere out there Sevarius Junior is shouting"Kirsten Dunst is Hot!", Jimmy Fallon was pretty funnu,lovd is impressions. and Jim Carey is getting Dorkier by the minute.

NBA Am I the only one who wants to see the Lakers have their butts handed to them by Philly?

"Remember Ralphie if your nose starts to bleed it means your picking it too much, or not enough."--Chief Wiggum.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Friday, June 8, 2001 09:34:15 AM
IP: user-37kaou5.dialup.mindspring.com

Lain> I too have had numerous self defense courses, a shoot class, and I read a lot concerning self defense... didn't stop me from being attacked. It did, however, keep me from being a dead or a rape victim. I walk with confidence and avoid any potential dangerous area. It doesn't matter! I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. (I was at an outlet mall and was walking on the sidewalk while crossing btwn 2 buildings)
Attackers don't necessarily go for the "weaker" looking victims anymore. I've seen many interviews of criminals and when asked "why that person?" their simple answer was, "because they were the first person I saw"
I guess I'm saying this to you more as a warning of precaution. Don't become relaxed and over confident - you are just as much a target for crime as the next person. *hugs*
As far as if I'd use my gun in self defense - I don't know. I can say right now that I would, but the true test would come at that moment of decision. Personally, I hope that moment never comes.

Greg> you are the exception to my view of New Yorkers ;)

Stephen> you bite, huh? groovy! *giggles*
Jannie
Friday, June 8, 2001 09:03:06 AM
IP: modem16-19.mo-net.com

Gizizima, dils newphis...

Gunnery - Two new toys tonight. The first is the Tagil Cyclops .480 Magnum, a heavy revolver chambered for one of those delightful new megamagnum cartridges they keep coming out with. This one packs enough punch (5d+2+ in GURPS terms)to penetrate anything but a trauma plate. The pistol's frame and cylinder are composed of titanium in an effort to keep weight down, but it still weighs in at 4.8 pounds loaded. The cylinder holds a full six rounds, and the brass is rimless to use full-moon clips. Overall, it's nearly ideal for taking on bears, cyborgs, or soft vehicles.
Weapon #2 was actually Warpmind's idea. He asked me to write up some custom gear for a character of his several months ago, and it's taken this long to get around to it. The biggest piece was an IMI Desert Eagle converted to fire 28 gauge shotshells. I couldn't find gauge>millimeter conversions for the 28, so I simply used 20 gauge instead. The steel frame and slide have both been replaced with titanium versions for reduced weight. The magazine and magazine well have both been reworked to acomidate the wider shells without altering grip shape, while heavier springs and barrel porting have been incorperated to help combat increased recoil. Damage comes out to 3d, the same as the .44 magnum, but with a x2 wounding modifier for the massive bullets. Loaded weight is 5 lbs (compared to 4.5 for the normal DE), but most of that extra weight is the heavier shells. Recoil AFTER the compensation is -3, so break out the padded gloves. Warps, I'll email you the full stats and description tomorrow. BTW, it needs a name.

***Poll***

1. Subtitles or dubs?> Subtitles. DEFINATELY subtitles. Dragonball is the only series I've seen where the dubbing didn't hack me off, and that's because grunts are universal.

2. Videos or DVDs?> DVDs in the abstract, but vidios for now.

3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.)> The only Anime I own is Trigun vol 1. I got it at Akon. *shrugs*

4. What was your first expierience with anime?> Voltron, probably, bak when I was 3-5... Then nothing 'till I bought the UN Spacy tech readout, and got addicted to ranma fics several years ago... First anime I actually SAW was Akira, about four years ago.

5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie?> Right now? Trigun.

And now I'm &$@# exhausted. Goodnight, kiddies... *staggers out to get some sleep*
Gunjack "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 8, 2001 05:04:33 AM
IP: ac8b5cbc.ipt.aol.com

Hola, everyone! Here again...a little sooner than I expected when I left last time. Also, this is my last passage before I leave for the NATO maneuvers in Poland...I'll be here until Sunday, then will be away for a 30-40 days (depending on weather conditions and some other factors...). Well, I see the CR is still here, and active. So...anything interesting going on?

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel:> <<Last I heard they were dealing with house repairs and were too busy to come post.>> Alright, thank you for telling me.
<<Come on! You teamed up with Hitler! That counts as a serious try to me.>> That is true, indeed, and for sure I won't deny it (although, it happened more than ten years after we were reunited, and before the foundation of the Republic in Italy). Actually, I was joking when I did my comment last time. But, anyway...we were poor, and hungry, and we wanted for more. Mussolini promised it to us, and we believed him (and, the fact we have just chosen to believe to Berlusconi shows that we Italians don't learn from past mistakes). And, then, Mussolini chose to ally with the evil. He thrown my Fatherland in a war we were not prepared to fight. And (smiles ironically) our beloved "King", who could stop him at any time, just stood watching and did nothing. We were used as cannon fodder by the Nazis, and we were bombed both by them and by the Allies. Almost any family in Italy lost at least someone in these years, and many other were imprisoned, often for years. When the war was over, my country was nothing more than ruins. We made mistakes, for sure, but seems to me we eventually paid a high price for it.

Later, people!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Friday, June 8, 2001 04:40:08 AM
IP: h213-46-253.mi2.albacom.net

Anime survey>
<<1. Subtitles or dubs?>> At one time, dubs--subs kind of annoyed me for some reason--but these days, no preference.
<<2. Videos or DVDs?>> DVD. I'm still waiting for the corpse of VHS to stop flopping.
<<3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.)>> My only two anime DVDs so far (Vampire Hunter D and Gundam Wing Endless Waltz) are both from OnCue, the only merchant of such wares in my immediate area. Other worthy sellers, such as Camelot Video and Electronics Boutique, are hours away. O_o
<<4. What was your first expierience with anime?>> Chronologically, Voltron, although I have no memory of it; my first anime memory that I'm sure isn't a chimeric engram is seeing bits of Vampire Hunter D on TNT late night. I decided that it was cool and that I wanted more. Although...there is this *thing*...it was on HBO like a million years ago and is my earliest memory...something about giant stampeding pillbug things with lots of red eyes that turned blue when they calmed down and stopped stampeding (I think because this girl sang to them), and occasionally the camera would cut to a beating heart or something, and the girl died, and the bugs had a little funeral for her and skittered off, as much as a bug the size of an SUV can be said to "skitter", and the closing credits theme was what I think was a lullaby, very reminiscent of an arrangement of the Poltergeist closing theme for solo voice. It might have been a dream or hallucination, as these are the kinds of things that cavort in my head...but then, I once thought my memories of Rock & Rule weren't real either.
<<5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie?>> At the moment, Vampire Hunter D.

And now that I've wasted so much of your time, the least I can do in return is to provide a nifty link. I couldn't find one, so I give you this instead. Great title though.
Wilek "The Great Queen Lagiladida-Poufta" Nereus
Friday, June 8, 2001 04:00:52 AM
IP: anon-ascella.proxy.anonymizer.com

Ok, so I can just imagine the feedback I'm going to get from this....
ANd I apologize in advance for this post, it's toially off topic, of a personal nature and, quite franklyu, I'm sure I could make a case that It's mortally bankrupt.
But I need to get this out and as none of my usual de-facto psychirists (Sp?) are online; it's you guys.

Ok so I say this girl at a bar about three weeks ago. after an eveing of shared lookes etc I go home. The next daythe bar closes. "dammit" thinks I. The acitivity (80's night) is picked up by another bar last week. I went, because I enjoy the music and was hoping to see said girl there. No dice. So this week I go and she is there.
I will digress a bit and say that there arn't many girls that show up on my persoanl radar. If you ask me what charistics I look for, I couldn't tell you. Some just catch my eye the vast majority don't. Obvously this one was in the former category.
So that night I, probably fortified by alcohol, ask her to dance. She says yes, introductions are made and she says, "you just pulled me away from my boyfriend"
"#(*&$#" thinks I, procedds to enjoy the dance (One night in Bankock, in case you cared), thank her and go about my evening. I am later informed my a friend that the guy she's dating is a total schmuck.
My first reaction is "dammit, oh well" and to leave it at that...
But upon later reflection I began thinking about ways to get her away from him...<sigh> and here I am.
Honestly I don't have a clue why I posted this. Perhaps for advice on a course of action. Perhaps for advice on tip to win a girl from her boyfrined...I dont' know.
But I needed to at least think about it...
and now back to your regularly scheduled comment room.
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Friday, June 8, 2001 02:10:58 AM
IP: ba-sec-045.adsl.stargate.net

sorry for the double post but.. reading over the last one i made... and thinking about the invasion of hitlers @$$.. i would just like to observe the collective shudder that will likely ripple through the comment room at THAT visualization..
thankyou, o gunjack, for that brilliant turn of phrase... and for the sleep that will likely elude me for weeks to come as i contemplate..
*violent shudder*
lain
Friday, June 8, 2001 02:06:55 AM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

see? look at that!! "Capital Punishment> I am against capital punishment, as I believe that anyone is capable of redemption. However, I strongly believe in life without parole for major crimes.
Guns> I support requiring a licence to own a gun, with a mandatory marksmenship and safety test"
aaaaaaaaaaah... listen to that wonderous sensible canadian voice *grins a daft grin* we need more canucks in here.. ; )
yeah yeah in THIS country, if someone commits more than one murder, we cant give them more than one life sentance. cos.. well.. they dont have more than one life in which to serve it.. you commit a violent crime, likely youll wind up in jail, no death penalty. "oh NO! what about the paul bernardos of the world?" shout the americans. well.. paul bernardo (for those of you who dont know, mr bernardo and his wife carla drugged and/or kidnapped several teenage women, abused and raped them, killed them and (i think) cut their bodies up.. and caught it aaaaaall on videotapes which they kept in a secret panel in the roof of their bathroom.. actually, there was a big kaffuffle about the tapes, whether they should be submitted as evidence etc, and eventually they were shown to the jury and the jury only in the courtroom, though the rest of the courtroom, including the parents of the young girls, could listen to the screams..) yeah.. not that friendly. recently, mr bernardo applied for parole cos.. well.. hes a psycho and he doesnt understand that what he did was wrong. he thinks he deserves the right to do that to women, for some oddly sick reason. i think the parole board kinda laughed at him and said, "not a chance, buddy, you aint NEVER gettin out of jail" and, they are right. our legal system allows for a life sentance to be a LIFE sentance. paul bernardo will get out when he goes to the morgue. till then, he gets to be in solitary (cos the other prisonners will kill him if he hangs out with them). now before all of you say it would be better and cheaper to just kill him, let me just say thats not true. the number of trials he would have to go through and the number of appeals and money that would be spent on that would far exceed the actual cost of feeding and housing the guy for the rest of his life. i have researched that and im not just pulling it out of my bum..
and also, there have been many cases in this country, including the guy-paul moran case, where if wed had the death penalty, he would have been killed for sure, even though he was innocent. he was in jail for years and years and years and the evidence was sooooooo conclusive.. so they thought.
so in my opinion, even if it is merely to save the life of ONE innocent out of a thousand, i dont think there should be a death penalty. go ahead and lock em away for life, feed em bread, water and stale spam for the rest of their lives, i TOTALLY support you there..
a life sentance of spam.. *shudder*

POLL:
subtitles or dubs: well i like dubs but maybe thats because i saw mononoke, SE: lain and key: the metal idol.. and they are actually GOOD dubs.. i dont think ive seen any of the really bad ones so far..

videos or dvd: never seen a dvd.. so i guess that would be videos..

where do i buy my anime?: buy? oh.. i just steal copies from my friends.. ; ) okay okay, i bought mononoke from HMV so at least i came by THAT honestly.. ; )

first anime experience?: *looks around cautiously* okay, i admit it! it was sailor moon. you know they have sailor moon SS on our tvs now?!?! minimoon has the pegasus and theres these creepy circus guys, hawkeye, fisheye and tigereye... and theres no more sailor uranus : ( *sniffle* my first non-tv anime was SE:lain though.. mmmmm lain..

favourite anime/series: hmmmmmm... lain.
(okay, who saw THAT coming??)
no really.. i also like mononoke, and vampire princess myu (what ive seen of it) and key was wierd but cool.. and tonight i rented the heroic legend of arislan.. ill let you know what i think of that later ; )

jannie>> "are you saying that women who are raped in their sleep because some creep has broken into their home has placed themselves in that position?" uh.. *checks back over post* no.. actually, i dont think thats what i was saying at all. however i DO think there are many, highly effective ways of being "defensive" which dont involve firearms.
and i dont think im naive. and im not only talking about "not putting yourself in a dangerous position" ive taken LOTS of different kinds of self-defence classes and (though i cant confirm the following statement) i would like to think i am not an idiot.
what im talking about is the WAY you walk. you think muggers go for the strong, confident-looking people who look like they have somewhere to go? no, they dont. they arent dumb. they dont want to get beaten. they go for the shy, quiet, nervous or distracted-looking people. im not trying to insult you if you were mugged but that is a fact. talk to some muggers and ask how they pick their targets..
im sure you DIDNT do anything wrong. maybe it was just the wrong place at the wrong time, i really dont know. but there are other ways of dealing with things that dont involve guns. if having a gun with you when you sleep makes you feel safe, then i guess go on and keep it. i WOULD like to know if you ever use it though.
everyone has a right to feel safe and, if thats what it takes for you to feel safe, and i can read from your post that it isnt something you take lightly then.. i wont try to take your gun from you.
in fact, i wont try to take guns from ANY of you.. just dont bring them anywhere near me, thank-you-very-much...

SJ>> it makes me sick. sure, if youre gonna kill the guy, KILL the guy and get it over with but.. TELEVISION?? you people seem to be turning into feudal england more and more every time i look south of the border..
but.. armitage III... *drool*... (sorry naiomi armitage.. heh hehehe...)

babbler>> what? insults to disney? insults to timon, pumbaa, iago and sebastian??????!?! excuse me but if you are going to insult disney, please insult the lame-humour-sidekicks that DESERVE to be insulted.. you know.. like say.. pain and panic from hercules and meeko and flit from pocahontas.. yikes.. at least timon, pumbaa and co had.. CHARACTER.. and PLOT PURPOSE.. yeesh..
subliminal messages? well.. the ones you mentioned i never found. after replaying the dust and leaves scene in lion king, i could only ever see "FX" not "SEX" and after many replays of aladdin stepping on rajas head, i only ever heard "niiiiiiice kitty.. take off and go!" you want subliminal messages, go check out the priest at ariels wedding.. yikes..
oversexualized females.. have to agree with you there. i liked mulan.. and there were no sappy predictible smooch scenes, either. i think i stood up and cheered in the theatre at the end of that movie..
and quit it with the bashing cheezy sequils.. sequils are SUPPOSED to be bad, thats kinda the POINT.. ; )

gunjack>> BAMBI?!?!??! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!! NOOOOOOO NOT THE CUTE BUNNIES!!!!!! GET THEM AWAY!!!!!!!!! *pant pant pant saucer-eyes*
heh.. attacker being smart enough.. well if the VICTIM were smart enough, THEY wouldnt be in a place where screaming wouldnt do anything.. though granted it is not always possible.. 80% of trouble? you can avoid a goodly deal more than 80% my friend.. me????? shooting with you and jeff????? yer gonna give the pacefist a gun?????/ heh.. hehehe..
you invaded hitlers @$$?? well.. um.. i dont think hitlers posterior was much near juno beach and you might want to check out those comparative statistics again.. remember the REST of us were fighting and dying waaaaaay before you yanks decided "hey.. theyre winning! lets go help them NOW.. " instead of, you know, at the beginning of the war when you could have prevented all those casualties but instead sat at home on your round yankee arses and watched the REST of us die...

josh>> a canadian or two? go join gunjack in researching those comparative casualty lists, will ya?

"one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"
-(everyone but gunjack, cos i already told him) go on.. guess who said it.. famous famous!!
; )
love,
lain "lukewarm" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Friday, June 8, 2001 01:53:18 AM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

*Delurks*

Hi everyone. I have been living in Williams Lake (3 hours north of Kamloops) for the past and am really enjoying being on my own. At work I am the lead (only) programmer on an employment information system, which is turning out quite well and should be wrapping up in two to three weeks.

Poll>
1. Subtitles or dubs? Subtitles
2. Videos or DVDs? DVDs
3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.) Online(Amazon.com)
4. What was your first expierience with anime? Astroboy
5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie? Vision of Escaflowne

Capital Punishment> I am against capital punishment, as I believe that anyone is capable of redemption. However, I strongly believe in life without parole for major crimes.

Guns> I support requiring a licence to own a gun, with a mandatory marksmenship and safety test.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Williams Lake, BC, Canada
Friday, June 8, 2001 12:24:28 AM
IP: ts4-14.williams-lake.wlake.com

*dances in to the latest of Robin's tapes*

Aaron:: As you know.. just happy you came back okay. T-minus two weeks.

Just.. have to share this song with you. By the same cook I've been quoting much as of late.

Oh Mary my Mary le mar le mar
This makes eleven you said we'd stop at four
What am I asking you
you think the stork leaves them at the door?
You say you know the score
But still you say the stork leave them at the door.

Oh Mary Oh Mary the house is small
The cat's in the kitchen, the dogs in the halls
And the triplets are on the stove again
I thought you said they couldn't crawl
And I'd like to make a trophy of the stork who brought them all.

Maybe you need to show me how much you love me
("Children are expressions of love")
Or do you dig my DNA? (Whatever that means)
Whether your beneath me or above me
You get pregnant either way...

Oh Mary, my Mary the time is now
I have to tell you though I dont know how
My babymaking times are past
I guess I knew they couldn't last
The doctor says it'll heal real fast
So I guess the stork is dead
Come on let's go to bed
What was that you said?!

"Darling, I'm going to have a baby, another one"

Shinigami
Thursday, June 7, 2001 11:38:20 PM
IP: aca7ce21.ipt.aol.com

Jannie - Don't fret. I don't bite...much. ^_^

Greg - respect Galvatron? A former Decepticon General, turned egomaniacal psychopath, Spawn-of-Unicron, who should have died when the Big Planet Eater blew chunks? The same Galvatron who was a pale, pale imitation of of the original Megatron?!? Galvatron, who's only cool factor was the fact his movie voice was Lenard Nimoy? <insert maniac laughter here> Surely you jest, sir! ^_^

POLL - Well, here's my entry:

1. Subtitles or dubs? : Subs, grinders, hoagies... oh, wait! you mean those Subs, well! ^_^

2. Videos or DVDs? - Just got a DVD player recently, but It will be a while before my collection is up to snuff.

3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.) - At a local store called AnimeNation... cool place!

4. What was your first expierience with anime? - Actually had two experiences: the first was when I was 10, and I saw Speed Racer and Starblazers on the local TV station. The second came when I bought my first VHS tape "Bubblegum Crisis - Ep. 1"...

5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie? - That's... not easy to answer. I have some die-hard faves - Bubblegum Crisis, Starblazers, Nuku-Nuku... but recently I've been introed to some new faves: Kaito Jean, Excel Saga, Car Robots and Saber Marionette J. (I would mention Ping Pong Club, but it's waaaay to twisted).

Well, that's all from me for now... maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, June 7, 2001 11:16:06 PM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

Jannie> Are you insulting New Yorkers?? I'll have you know that I love my state, and won't take that lying down.

Ehh, who cares. I certainly don't. Insult NY all you want I sure do ;)
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, June 7, 2001 10:41:31 PM
IP: dialin-219-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*steps slowly away from Stephen* ooohhkkayyy
actually, good points! =)

Josh> my reason for being confused?... I become confused easily ;)

I don't think that the majority of people are stupid. Unfortunately, we hear more about the ones that ARE stupid, but they are not the majority.
<<You, too, wish your package could hang in the breeze?>> doesn't everyone? ;p
A thick southern accent, huh? hehe, so I've been told.. *chuckles* At least you weren't like an EX friend of mine who once told me that anyone who spoke with a southern accent was stupid. (before he heard me speak IRL) Of course, this guy is from NY, so I shouldn't have expected much from him. After we spoke on the phone a couple of times he did admit to me that his stereotype of southern people no longer existed. *shrugs* whatever. He is an a$$hole and I don't talk to him anymore.

Lain> you wouldn't put yourself into any situation that would require the use of defensive force to get out of... are you saying that women who are raped in their sleep because some creep has broken into their home has placed themselves in that position? That old saying, "shit happens" applies here. Sure, there are times when a victim places themselves in a dangerous situation, but there are also times when they are completely innocent and have done nothing to warrant an attack. I assure you that if someone comes thru my doorway in the middle of the night, they will be carrying him out on a stretcher with a bullet hole in his chest. The only people with legal access to my home are smart enough to 1.) not show up in the middle of the night without prior notice or 2.) identify themselves while coming to my bedroom. I would have the sense to attempt to identify someone before I shot - not by calling out or asking questions, but by sight and body build in the shadows.
Someone said that you must be willing to shoot. They were absolutely correct. In any training, they will tell you that most people that use a gun for protection will more likely end up being the victim.. why? because we are the GOOD guys and we will automatically call out, make the intruder aware of our presence or that we have a gun, and will hesitate in shooting it. The criminal will not have nor give that same courtesy or hesitation.
A gun is not for everyone... but the ones who do own one needs to have training and the guts to use it if the need ever arises.
I'm sorry, but I really do feel that the statement you made about not placing yourself in a dangerous situation is naive. I didn't ask nor provoke to be mugged/attacked a couple of years ago... I didn't do anything "wrong". No, I didn't have a gun at the time (I don't carry one with me) but if I'd had it, I would have used it. Until guns are made illegal, it is my RIGHT to own one. If I screw up, then I will have to pay the consequences.

Aaron> that yahoo traitor will have his up&comin's before it's all over with... I'm not too concerned about the switch over of majority just yet. GW is flying high right now and anyone who tries to bring him down will only cause themselves damage. This traitor... runs on a Republican ticket, uses Republican funds to get elected and then turns traitor... he voted liberal in the past anyway *shrugs* I say good riddance - after I reach across the room and bitchslap him ;)

DPH> 'coon probs, huh? they are hard little boogers to get rid of *nods* make sure all containers are closed tightly - they can open any type of lid, btw. Make sure that there is no food anywhere near the outside of your house. Eventually they will go away in search of food elsewhere. Or, you could make some 'coon stew ;)
ohmygosh, I've already lived in the Ozarks too long! hehe

Hyperion> geesh, banning Dodge ball? of all the crazy and lame ideas... *sais* that's downright unAmerican to ban such a sport! I loved and excelled in Dodge ball!
I found out that the school here will not give out 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place ribbons at their Field Day activities.. they say that "everyone is a winner here" *sticks finger in mouth and gags* I have a news bulletin for them... they DO have some loosers at that school! Hello? welcome to the real world, kiddies! Gawshalmighty these kids are in for a rude awakening when they get into the "real" world.

SJ> I just saw your post.. hehe - I'll supply the beer for the execution party ;) This news sure does make my Texan blood bubble with joy. Gawd, I love John Ashcroft =) He didn't back off for a moment.

Spacebabie> ROFLMAO

well, gotta' go pack for another fun-filled weekend in Oklahoma *gags* At least I'm not having to spend it in some God-forsakened dirt town. I'm sure I can find a mall in OKC *grins and nods*

Jannie
Thursday, June 7, 2001 10:31:43 PM
IP: modem18-98.mo-net.com

Sorry for the Third Post.

SJ> I totally agree with you. KILL McVEIGH!!! KILL McVEIGH!!!

I think a firing squad is too merciful myself. I think vivisection would be a nice way to execute him. Especially if he stays alive for most of it ;)
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, June 7, 2001 10:22:46 PM
IP: dialin-219-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Oh, and in the Entertainment Industry, everyone always goes around ripping other people off. You can see similarties just about anywhere, and blatant rip-offs. For example, Star Trek Deep Space Nine was a blatant rip-off of "Babylon 5". B5 itself drew a lot of inspiration from "Lord of the Rings" and other literary works, etc etc.

Books, movies, shows all "borrow" from each other in some way. It's impossble to come up with a completely original idea these days.

As for whether "Atlantis" is a rip-off of this anime. it very well could be, I've never seen the anime so I'm not in a position to say whether it is or not. I don't really give a sh!t at all. I plan to enjoy it. Rip-off or not.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, June 7, 2001 09:46:42 PM
IP: dialin-668-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Stephen> Hey, Galvatron was an awesome character from "Transformers". The best of the best! A truely great character along with Cyclonus, unlike Obnoxious Prime. Show some respect towards him.

But I agree with you on "Atlantis", and I look forward to seeing it myself.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, June 7, 2001 09:35:18 PM
IP: dialin-668-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Gun debate: This is dying down, but I have one final thing to say. I suppose I'm more than a little critical of the "if we get rid of guns, everything will be all right!" belief, since I do live in the Washington D.C. area. You can't own a firearm in the city of D.C., but we have one of the highest crime rates (and homicide rates) in the country.
All of us gun folks need not worry, though. Our country has been populated and run by gun enthusiasts since the days of the Pilgrims. We aren't going to give up firearms any time soon.

Speaking of militias and stuff, though....kudos to the judiciary for giving us all what we wanted--an EXECUTION!!! Yes, on Monday morning, little Timmy McVeigh will be lethally injected out of this mortal coil. It's a shame they don't have the firing squad still in Indiana. I'm looking forward to the event. I'm thinking of getting together with all of my NRA buddies (assuming I find some over the weekend) and having a big party to celebrate his death.
Of course, you see the point of this post. Let's get off of gun control, and start debating the death penalty! I know lain objects to it, anyone else?

Everyone loves a good poll!

1. Subtitles or dubs?: Hmm, Subs. Not that I really have a preference, but often times with dubs they'll edit out footage or just stick you with a horrible voice cast (case in point---I believe the main talent for "Armitage 3" was Kiefer Sutherland and Elizabeth Berkeley. Joy and rapture). I'd rather have subs, where I can just read the translation, even though I have to deal with the natural Japanese dialogue (which grows tiresome. Apparently, 95% of all Japanese voice actors suck helium before reading their lines, or so it seems).
2. Videos or DVDs? Death Valley Driver, all the way. Even though my own DVD is a cheap piece of crap.
3. Where do you buy your anime?: I don't. I don't buy much anime, but when I do, there's a store at the mall which sells the basic stuff pretty cheap, and there's a specialty store that sells the more obscure stuff, but it's expensive.
4. What was your first experience with anime?: On the Sci-Fi channel about...I don't know 10 years ago, or so it seems. That was back when the Sci-Fi channel actually showed a week of anime movies once a year. I saw some standard stuff like the Lensman film, and "Robot Carnival", but the one that did it for me was Vampire Hunter D.
5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie?: It's hard to pick a series, seeing as I haven't seen much anime. I'm a bit anal retentive in the sense that I like to watch a series from the very beginning; I don't like to pick up on it in the middle. Unfortunately, every time I try and start a new series, that's what happens--I get caught up in the middle. And I get frustrated, and just give up on it. I guess I'll go with a movie, then. Vampire Hunter D, since it was the first "cartoon" that I saw that was violent as all hell, and it opened the door for me. Princess Mononoke comes a close second.

Atlantis vs. Nadia: What, it surprises you that Disney ripped off the idea? Face it, Disney animation is, at best, mediocre. They've been languishing for years now in mediocrity, and I see no effort being made to get out of the rut. Back in the day, when they were pretty much the only game in town, we got classics like Bambi and Snow White. Now, they see fit to give us crap like Dinosaur or the Emperor's New Groove. My prediction: Shrek goes on to make 200 mill, easy, and Atlantis barely brings in 100 million, at best.

Josh: I don't have the energy, but if I was feeling silly enough, I would actually sit here and present to you an argument about how, since in the Bible it says that mankind was given dominion over the animals by God, it IS our God-given right to throw cats in trees.

DodgeBall: How glad I am that Hyperion brought this up! This is further proof of the Pussyfication of America, or if you will allow me to be more accurately chauvinistic, the further feminization of America. They want to ban dodge ball because it's too "violent". This is the saddest pile of sh!t I've ever heard. We live in a world where kids shoot up schools just because they can, and they want to ban dodge ball. I could go off on a rant here about how screwed up the youth of America is today, focusing upon all topics from teenage pregnancy to teenage alcoholism, but it would be unneccessary. The point is, there are a million more severe problems facing our kids today than the sport of dodge ball.
Dodge ball is, quite possibly, the greatest sport ever invented. I'm not that big of a sports fan, but Dodge Ball? Gift from God. To get rid of it is unheard of. Why don't you just make all of the boys wear pretty little sundresses when they go to school? Cause it's doing the same thing. The emmasculation of America. Let us keep our dodge ball.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Thursday, June 7, 2001 09:33:11 PM
IP: 66-44-68-121.s121.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

[Comes in and glowers at Galvatron...he's not in a good mood and what he's just seen has made it worse. WARNING FOLKS.... BIG TIME RANT AHEAD!!!]

You know, it's not bad enough you take the namesake of a crazed loony of a character from Transformers, but you come in here with "Oooo, Disney Ripped off another anime! Disney Sucks because they can never do anything original anymore!"...

Get over yourself, bud.

I went through a whole plethora of "anime purists" back when Disney released "The Lion King", who bashed the movie because there were a lot of similarities between it and "Kimba The White Lion". Now it looks like the battlecry is starting up again over "Atlantis: The Lost Continent", with it having some similarities with the anime "Nadia, Secret of The Blue Water".

To be frank, I'm speaking out now, unlike back then when every other anime fan just bashed the dickens out of TLK, when I kept my peace... I'm getting sick and tired of the "purists" out there, bashing every animated feature that Disney comes out with. Disney was making animation way BEFORE the Japanese started making anime, and a lot of what Disney did was emulated in anime over the years, and in the recent years vice versa...

So, as far as I care about the subject, I think the bashing of Disney is unwarranted, unfounded, and in the end unnessesary!

I've seen the pics and read the article, Galvie... yeah, there's a lot of similarities, but as far as I'm concerned, this is not "Nadia Goes to Atlantis, Disney-Style", nor is this a blatant rip of the original anime (where Disney took the original footage, renamed every character and released the film under their trademark). So, "Atlantis" doesn't deserve this sort of critisism, nor does it need to be bashed on by every little pissant armchair entertainment critic that comes down the pike (not meaning you, Galvie, but there are a few others I would care to point to)...

Why bash Disney animation at all? So what if the trend was to make animated musicals over the past decade? Does that make the movies any less valid as art, or as entertainment?

Granted there were many movies Disney did that didn't make the grade with a lot of people - if not in their entirety, at least with some form of content (remember the uproar over the supposed "anti-arab" lyrics at the beginning of "aladdin"?) - but there's still more of us out here that have been true fans of Disney animation for years and years. For myself, my first movie I saw was "The Jungle Book", and "The Three Calballeros". I've always loved what Disney has done through the years, from stuff as classic as "Snow White" and "Peter Pan", to later-day contemporary stuff like "Oliver & Co." and "The Black Cauldron". When they switched to doing musicals with "The Little Mermaid", it was a plesant change of pace (in spite of what people thought of Tim Rice and Elton John)...

Now, the pace is switching again, with films trying to break away from the musical animation. "The Emperor's New Groove" was not a flop, in truth it was a good film that went in a direction that people weren't expecting. "Atlantis" seems to reflect this changing trend. It's the first film since ones like "The Black Cauldron" that is attempting to tell an action-driven story, rather than tell it through character scenes interspaced with muscial numbers. And I for one am happy to see it coming, and will hopefully enjoy it when I go to see it in the local cineplex next week.

So, just do the rest of us a favor, Galvie... keep that "rip-off" dogma to yourself, and stop bashing an american artistic institution. After all, considering you love "Gargoyles", isn't it being hypocritical saying you hate Disney animation, even though "Gargoyles" IS Disney Animation?

And that's all I have to say about this matter. Sorry for Ranting a bit folks.

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, June 7, 2001 09:27:43 PM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

Alan> Here's some more answers for you.

1. Subtitles or dubs? - Subtitles by and large. I actually think the dub of Macros Plus was better in a couple of places. The voices weren't any better, but I remember the dub getting some English idioms better. The dialogue was less stilted.

2. Videos or DVDs? - DVDs. I have about 100 fansub tapes, but I only buy DVDs.

3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.) - Suncoast, Sam Goody, Dealer's rooms. Guys in trench coats on the corner... no, wait, that's drugs. No, wait, I don't do drugs... Oh well.

4. What was your first expierience with anime? - Speed Racer, Starblazers, and some underwater thing I don't know the title of. The main character was this kid who could shoot through the water really fast when he stuck some kind of little disks into his bootheels.

I didn't really develop an appreciation for Anime until Robotech.

5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie? - Series: Marmalade Boy (and if one of you says one word about it, I'll kill him). Movie: Whisper of the Heart, or Ghost in the Shell, depending on my mood of the moment.

Also, to see how close we really came, I was in the video room where they showed Trigun after the music videos. I assume we were in the same room at the same time, and Valentine was probably there, too.

Oh well. Next year I'm giving everyone who's going to the Kon my cell phone number.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, June 7, 2001 09:10:34 PM
IP: adsl-65-67-102-3.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Long day at work today, where I fixed a number of glitches in the computer-based configurator system. Easy changes to make, but the system manages to magnify the error into something so glaring that it can only be described by the lay person as a "SNAFU".

The macconnect CWUSA server is down, which means that one third of the customers can't log in and are probably calling tech support. Unfortunately, we're not allowed to pick up the phone because we don't have an answer for the customers. Remember I always say money rolls in when the servER is down? Well, now the servICE is down, and I'm not making a dime.

Gunjack: <<that WAS real history. D-Day>>: Well, actually no. The US bombed the !@#$ out of Hitler in the day, the brits did it at night...Canada was nowhere to be seen, I just made that up to satisfy Lain ;-). <<pay a $200 tax on EACH WEAPON>>: God you guys are lucky my family isn't into guns...we'd be the best armed family on the planet...and then you'd all understand why guns should be outlawed 8-). <<The whole sleeping arrangements thing>>: Anything that involves the sleeping arrangements of more than one person is bound to confuse an engineer...I don't know what Jannie's excuse is though.

Danielle: The next TGS episode will appear approximately when its ready. Possibly later, but unlikely to be sooner unless there is a rift in the space-time continuum. <<genetic engineer>>: All I want is a pair of function bat wings. Is that so much to ask? While I'm physically redesigning myself, I'd like to stop being a scrawny weakling, maybe get cat eyes and some enhanced sense of smell and night-vision (which are already pretty good).

Azrael: <<this is no fair>>: Why not? Who wants to go on forever? First, its boring. Second, as I'm sure you could tell from a few of the posts, it was getting very flame-war-ish and I have no desire to get kicked out of this room. I like you all too much, even if we don't see eye to eye on anything. <<What fun is that?>>: More fun watching you guys try to belabor and argue a point I'm not arguing for! <<you don't get to admit you're being selfish>>: Why lie? The funny thing is that people rarely believe me when I tell them I'm selfish. <<go on for weeks about how we're not being fair to the world at large>>: But...*I'M* not being fair, so why confuse the issue.

Spacebabie: <<I also believe that those Jack@$$es should enforce the gun laws we already have and stop trying to make new ones everytime another kid gets shot by another kid whos' parents didn't do a proper job of rasing him>>: Ooh. Good point. <<good for pummling guys in their "soft spot">>: I only believe it is acceptable to punish a male in such a way when he is attempting a violent assault. Of course, I'm male, so my opinion is slightly biased. <<jehova's witnesses>>: LOL. <<may already be a mormon>>: God, you've got to be really careful about typos when you say that...

Yooper: <<it's gotta suck>>: Paranoia is pretty much part of the way I was raised. Everyone is not necessarily out to screw me, but they're not out to help me either. <<god given rights>>: Wait, anything on the Bill of Rights is a natural right? Just because its there? What if, in a fit of cocaine abuse, one of the founding fathers had managed to sneak on the right to, say, throw cats in trees. Would THAT be a natural right? I firmly believe that a "right" is determined by societal beliefs and attitudes. Think about a society, perhaps on another planet, where the right to speak freely is not "natural". <<damned if I can figure out how to fix *those* problems>>: Easy. Don't let them off the hook. The problem is that it means going against precedent and spirit of the law and all that crap... <<conference in July for writing a treaty to do this>>: Really?! <<see quote>>: Well, yeah, but that quote isn't in the Bill of Rights. They refer to an organized militia, not arms for the purposes of defense. Jefferson believes this and probably went along with the wording just so he could accomplish his goal of defense. But that doesn't mean its supported by the Bill of Rights, or even the other signers. <<Viet Cong>>: The Viet Cong are not nearly as overweight and stupid as the American populace, as is proved by recent studies. Plus, the environment of Vietnam lends itself far more to guerilla warfare than do ANY of the environments in this country. <<see Bill Clinton>>: Oh, please. The man got a blow job, for christ's sake. <>: Well, you should. I'm not concerned about the individual person. But on the whole, people really aren't that bright.

Damnit! You partially dragged me back in. You're fired! 8-) This time I'm out for real!

DPH: <<taking the test by computer>>: That would exclude poor people who can't afford net access. <<Congrats on understanding the nature of humanity>>: Hold on, phone call...sorry, gotta run, its the Nobel Prize Commission. ;-) <<we do NOT have the right to drive or fly a vehicle>>: Amazing how many people take their licenses for granted.

Christine: <<IQ tests for childbearing>>: And sterilization for those that don't pass? Cuz that's what I'm in favor of! <<a timeline of the fandom>>: Saturday, January 27. Inspired by Christine Morgan, Todd Levang, and Donald Flemming, along with the cast and crew of TGS, Josh Wurzel beings writing a fic that will never see the light of day ;-)

Hyperion: <<outlawing dodgeball>>: LOL. Dodgeball made me the man I am today...well, maybe not. And it sure didn't drive me to become a better athlete. But I think banning is a bit excessive. <<self defense>>: NICE! And done WITHOUT GUNS, I might add. <<What kind of society is it>>: A british society, apparently. <<greedy whiners>>: Yup. I totally agree. <<courts are bad>>: Guess I shouldn't mention I'm thinking about becoming a lawyer.

Alan: <<the next recruitment drive>>: Could you tell us a little bit about what's involved with that?

Aaron: <<delilah-minus-maza>>: It's called Demona. <<I'm going to have to kill you>>: After a year in an Algebra class, you'd understand it. Trust me. <<but the Force will crush your larynx>>: LOL. And YOU are not a jedi. I know because I am a sith master, and I'd sense you if you were. Unless you were on Dagobah... <<I'd certainly rather get shot trying to cap my attacker then meekly let them do anything they want>>: Well then we see things differently. I'd rather come out alive. <<the best argument against gun control was the feeling you get>>: I've held many different guns. I enjoy shooting them, I even go to gun clubs occasionally. I don't have a problem with a place where people can go and rent guns for a few hours and kill some paper. Doesn't mean I want all you yahoos having them.

Babbler: <<how come we don't see any mass-killings at gun shows>>: Because everyone ELSE is armed too. Although people are stupid, they do have a sense of self perservation. And as I recall, Harris and Klebold (the columbine kids) got their guns...where? AT A GUN SHOW. <<All good teenagers--take off their clothes!>>: A truism. <<pretty busty...too much cleavage for four-year-olds>>: How does this explain disney movies flopping?

Well, that's all for now folks.

Holy shit! Silent Bob's an insturment of god?
-Jay, Dogma

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Thursday, June 7, 2001 08:56:30 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-131.nhwd02.pacbell.net

See how Disney ripped off Nadia Secret of the Blue Water? Just like what they did to Kimba!!
Galvatron - [<---see the similarities]
Thursday, June 7, 2001 08:30:35 PM
IP: 205.213.142.135

Are you guys ever going to do the New Olympians and Bad Guys spin-offs? This would be a perfect time for the New Olympians to contact the rest of the world since they already had three visits with a fourth one coming from Terry and the Bad Guys/Redemption Squad can be formed right now after all that unseelie activity.
Galvatron
Thursday, June 7, 2001 08:25:28 PM
IP: 205.213.142.135

Hey poeples~~~~I was in here yesterday, and I think I'd like to join this comment room. I saw your Discussion theme on Gun Control..........I just have one thing to say: If guns cause so much violence, how come we don't see any mass-killings at gun shows?

I also have a little thing against DISNEY and their movies. Atlantis will not make a killing in the theater. It won't even "rake it in". The Emperor's New Groove was a total flop. Why do Disney movies fail? Because we all know what to expect from them:
1. Annoying secondary characters, ie: Timon & Pumbaa, Iago, Terk (from Tarzan), Flounder, Sebastian, etc. They ruin the movie!
2. All musical numbers done in the movie by either Elton John or that other....."guy".
3. Those weird subliminal messages........like "Sex" spelled in cursive in the leaves that fly through a scene in the Lion King........Aladdin's whispered "All good teenagers--take off their clothes!"
4. Female characters are over-sexualized, and are almost always damsels in distress. Jasmine's hair was bigger than her waist, Jane in Tarzan was...pretty busty, and Belle had that off-shoulder dress that showed just a little too much cleavage for four-year-olds.
5. We can expect that all characters who climb above adverse situations will have children who return to the bad situations in the next movie....ie: Lady in the Tramp II, Return to the streets......The son of Lady and Tramp goes back to his old man's spot on the streets. In The Little Mermaid II, Ariel's daughter, Melody, wants to be a mermaid..A reversal of Ariel's situation. BORING. Redundant. But what the hey......... It's entertainment, right?
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Babbler - [Abbadon_13@yahoo.com]
Lost in, Ohio, USA
Thursday, June 7, 2001 08:23:30 PM
IP: cc629709-a.nwhub1.in.home.com

Hey Alan, here some answers for your survey: ^_^

1. Subtitles or dubs?- Subtitles! it's better quality! :)

2. Videos or DVDs? - I don't have a DVD yet, but if I did DEFENETLY DVD!

3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.) - I don't buy them, I RENT them! ~_^ but the few I have bought were from Suncoast.

4. What was your first expierience with anime? - When I was a little girl I used to watch anime and didn't even know it. I've loved it since then but when I was around 9- 10th grade, I came in contact w/ Ranma 1/2.
It changed my life! O_O weird huh?.... I for one, loved it the first time I saw it! ^_^

5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie? - KODOMO NO OMOCHA & CARDCAPTOR SAKURA!
Clamp rules baby! ~_^

Ok,..that's about it... I don't usually post here... but I read what others write... from time to time....

by the way... KONNICHIWA CALIOPE-CHAN!!! ^_^
Ja ne! :P

Alex Destine - [alex_destine@hotmail.com]
Thursday, June 7, 2001 07:04:58 PM
IP: ppp-196-42-31-198.coqui.net

Dangit, Piro and Largo were at A-kon, and I didn't get to meet them. Sigh.

Gside> <<You call that a bad thing?>> Well, compared to the super-badass-vampire-bitch-who's-powered-up-form-looks-like-Delilah-minus-Maza-plus-Deed-from-Record-of-Lodoss-War? YES! I wanted more Vampire Madonna!

Josh> <<y=x+1 is a line at a 45 degree angle through (0,1) on a cartesian graph system.>> And you're for sterilizing anyone who doesn't have a clue what you just said? No wonder you don't want the populace to have guns! And, once again, I'm sure I'm going to have to kill you. <<It wasn't THAT hard!>> Sez you. <<They're the next evolution of hippies.>> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but the Force will crush your larynx. <> Then we'll see who's faster. I'd certainly rather get shot trying to cap my attacker then meekly let them do anything they want. <<there are statistics that validate EVERY viewpoint>> Which is why I never trust statistics. Personally, I think P.J. O'Rourke said it best when he argued that the best argument against gun control was the feeling you get the first time you hold some massive piece of weaponry in your hand. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Gunjack> <<What are ye, the pizza goon?>> Quite possibly. And you have the Puma Sisters?!? Boss, man! Hook me up!

Spacebabie> Yes, I still have my pony tail. The tip is just starting to touch my waist. I'm hoping to go as Duo next year.

Alan> <<don't know how I missed Aaron>> I'm still short, no matter how I'm dressed. Makes spotting me in crowds difficult.

1. Subtitles or dubs?> Subs. I'm such a sub snob it's not funny.
2. Videos or DVDs?> I don't have a DVD player yet. Next question.
3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.)> Suncoast.
4. What was your first experience with anime?>> Watching an episode of Ranma at a friend's house. I remember I was terribly disappointed at the time because I was under the impression that all anime was like Crying Freeman.
5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie?> Close one. Probably a toss up between Eva and Slayers.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, June 7, 2001 06:30:52 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Hey everybody. Some replies, and then a request:

Aaron - <<Rocky Horror>> Seventy people? That's quite amazing. I did leave about half way through and talking with some people I didn't know and will never see again. Another funny story: I was wating for the other people in my room to come out after the movie was over because I never got a key until Sunday morning. I guess I just missed them all (I don't know how I missed Aaron with his leopard suit and large sword, though). I hung out with people I didn't know until about 3 AM and went back to my room. As an act of whatever higher power you believe in, the door to our room hadn't been shut all the way and I was able to get in without waking anyone up. I felt quite lucky that I didn't have to sleep in the hall that night.

Heather - <> I never heard that myself. While I'm sure anything you can imagine *was* going on in either of the hotels, the only place I knew of was in room 214. Your mom does sound a little paranoid to me, but so was my mother. Well, she still is, actually. Don't sweat it to much, unless it becomes to much of a burden. Then let her know that you're a good person, despite what everyone else around you might be acting like. I'm glad you guys weren't in room 666, like the guy whose door we kept knocking on. It was an old man with no shirt on. From what I could tell, he was the devil...

Gunjack/David G. - Sorry I missed you guys in all the confusion, as well. Maybe next year. I didn't hang out in the video rooms all that much. Enough to see some very good music videos and an episode of Trigun.

Foxstar - We don't take submissions for TGS. Though, if you're around when we have the next recruitment drive, you might be able to get in. It'll be a while until we hold another one, though.

Gun control - I'm not even going to bother. I don't really have that much of an opinion, honestly. Charleton Heston *is* one of my favorite actors, though.

David G. - *You* had the skull mask thing? I think I saw you a couple of times, then... if I had known...

Aaron (again) - Thanks again for sending me my Spike figure. I still can't believe I forgot it... I thought the Robert guy was a little annoying, as well. To each his own, though. I'll probably never see any of those people again.

Danielle - Timedancer season four will be starting up in September. No specific date has been set yet. And... uh... try to use some periods sometime. ;)

And now for a request. This is for everyone who even remotely watches anime, which appears to be quite alot of people in here. I have to do an "informative speech" for my public speaking class, so I'm doing it over anime, because it'll be quick and easy. One of my sources has to be a survey I conduct myself, so I figure here is as good a place as any. Please feel free to post replies in the CR or e-mail them to me directly.

1. Subtitles or dubs?
2. Videos or DVDs?
3. Where do you buy your anime? (at a local store, online, etc.)
4. What was your first expierience with anime?
5. Your personal favorite anime series and/or movie?

Again, it's for a class I'm taking this summer. Thanks to whoever answers back. I don't need a specific number of people, so I'm guessing the more the better.

Later everybody...

Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Thursday, June 7, 2001 04:54:33 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

*Hyerions enters, as usual clid in silver armor, but rather than swords, two nikel-plated .45s are holsteres in his hips and he has a white 10-gallon hat on.*
I couldn't resist...
Gun-debate quickie> In my ideal world very liitle would be illeagal, but you could be punished if your actions were calcualted to cause harm to other people. Way too idealistic, but whatever...
On a more concrete note, I think that most gun contol issues would be solved by issuing a cun license. You have to take a written test on gun safty, be able to assemble and field-strip a weapon and be able to hit a target at 50 feet..say...8 of 10 times. Hey, if you have to do it to be bale to handle a ton of metal and placting you better be able to do it for a firearm.
Once your licensed you can then purchase a firearm sans waiting period or whatever else...

Other stuff> Ok perhaps this is out of place here but really, I need to complain...if one looks at cnn.com, one may find two articles that strike me as totally outragous.
Exhibit A) Many "acedemians" are now calling for the banning of dodge ball (or "war ball") as it encourages the storng kids to pick upon the weak and that it is "litigation waiting to happen". Not to be rude but WTF?
Wasn't it Nitzeche (sp?) who said "What dosen't kill you makes you stronger?" Do people not realize that it is loosing that makes people want to excel? That without some kind of competiion there is no drive to become better?
You want to know what is causing society to collapes, its not guns, drugs or sex; tit's that were raising a generation of self-absorbed whiners who thing society should cater to them and them alone.
In a quasi-related tanget to illustrate: The other week I was out walking home late. Three punks (literally) walk up and demand cash. I siad something to the effect of "heh, no" to which Moe, Larry and Curly said roughtly, "Then we'll take it." and started pulling out knives, chainns and brass knuckles. I pulled out my two Asps (collapseable steel batons) and got ready to defend myself. The said something on the order of "If you hit us with those, we'll sue"
I repled with something like "Fine, I'll break evne boen in your body and have you thrown in jail."
they left after deciding I was serious, but really. What kind of society is it that allows people to think that they can mug someone and consider sueing them if the muggee defends his/herself?
Exhibit B) Apprently in Long Island a group of high-schoolers, fed up with being stared at put together a gay prom. Now, I personally am for individuality in all forms, and applaud their intitive.
""It's a great way to let people know that we do exist and everybody's equal," said Jamel Liverman, 15, a sophomore at Bay Shore High School and one of the Long Island prom's planners." Good, good says I. However, afte rthat it gets creepy....
"Sosnicki, a senior at Walter G. O'Connell High School in Copiague, New York, said the prom is designed to provide support for teens who are not yet "out" about their sexuality." Ok...I'm about 23 or thereabouts and I still dont' know what my sexuaility is...much less when I was 18.
Maybe I'm just wierd like that (an answer I accept) but really.
but ok...hel;ping teens become "out" (whatever that means) with their sexuality...ok...I can deal with that...however:
"It's bad news in that they need to be organized in the first place," Jennings said. "Why is it that we tolerate the second-class status that gay and lesbian students are consigned to?"
Excuse me? Since when is not being fully accepted equal to being second class?
Please note: I'm not attacking gays, or this dance...I'm attacking this idea that what you do between the sheets is somehow equal to a class-ranking. look, I'm trying to start a business, can I get disadvantaged status because I like doing the nasty with sheep? Well, why not? I'm being opressed! This evil anit-beastaily prejiduce must be dealt with! Why can't I have a loving relationship with another species?
My apologies if anyone reading this is of that persuasion...I'm trying to make a point however. Since when did every little thing have to be mainstream? WHen did everyone with every little fetich need to be "aceepted"
Suppose I find homosexuals revolting? With the way things are now there can be no discussion. Gays are right. anti-gays are wrong.
Spend more money on AIDS=good. Questioning it=bad.
Sure drug companies=good, appreciate how many lives they've saved=bad.
Just once I'd like some judge in one of thoes cases where a paitend was successfully treated with a drug and now sufferes from premature balding or sometight to rules that the paitend was harmed by the durg and that to be fair, since his life was saved, the court will duly conficsated said life from him...
Sorry tangent. Point is twofold.
One, this is becoming a nation of greedy whiners whos try to take money they dont' want to work for and complain when it dosen't work.
two, the "intellectuats" are only helping this along, stifiling debate and forcing to be made in a winner-takes-all court case.
Note:L courts are *bad*. No really. they make it so that detailed legalese must be written for things that just as soon might have happened anyway...
Roe V Wade: Anyone know about the grass-roots abortion rights movement that was gaining strength at the time? Hmm?
Probably not. Now we have a "landmark" case that no one dares touch because to do so is to be evil. Not that aportion itself is bad, that's your opinion, the point is that it stifled all meaningful discurse on the topic.
<sigh> I've gone on too long and probably didnt' make much sense... If you want a more coherent arguement about the "lack of discussion" point I was trying to make, read "Democracy on Trial" Great book.

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-If it bleeds, we can kill it!
-Uh..it's not bleeding...
-Hmm..this might be a bit trickier then I first thought.

Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Thursday, June 7, 2001 04:32:24 PM
IP: ba-sec-045.adsl.stargate.net

Gside: Oh right, I had forgotten about that. :P
DMS (Kit)
Thursday, June 7, 2001 04:29:16 PM
IP: 1cust209.tnt2.austin2.tx.da.uu.net

Sitting here waiting for the books to arrive ... jumping up to look out the window every time a vehicle approaches ... gee, that sounds almost like a song except I have no lyrical ability whatsoever ; )

IQ tests and voting > heck, I'd like to see them require IQ tests for childbearing ... the Gustav Sevarius part of me has some pretty strong, pretty unpopular feelings about that <eg>

Request > this is kind of late-notice, but I am endeavoring to put together a timeline of the fandom and if anyone can e-mail me some pertinent dates, like the debut of TGS and other noted sites/clans/whatnot, it would be muchly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, June 7, 2001 04:14:56 PM
IP: 06-108.075.popsite.net

Imzadi - about the IQ test. I am afraid some of the administrators of said test would use it to keep certain classes of people from voting, regardless of IQ. The only truly fair way to have that would be taking the test by computer (if possible) and recording the test-taking on tape. The other problem would be how high on the IQ test someone has to score.

Imzadi - fear for my safety not just from gang-bangers but from EVERYONE. People, as I'm sure many of you have noticed, are panicky, foolish, and greedy. - Congrats on understanding the nature of humanity.

I'll make this statement and see how everyone responds: We all have the right to free travel basically anywhere (Exceptions being top-secret miltary installations and inside private property without owner's permission), but we do NOT have the right to drive or fly a vehicle. Think about it before you start to disagree with me.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, June 7, 2001 03:23:40 PM
IP: max1-11.cwy.cei.net

Valentine> I was in and out of the pool room. Actually, I got stuck there for like half an hour because the people I was invisibly spying on wouldn't leave, and I would have had to give away my position to get out.

For the LARP I was wearing a black vest, white shirt, skull mask, and finger armor all over my left hand (which makes going to the bathroom an adventure, I can tell you). I also had on black gloves with bones silk-screened onto them, and I was carying a cain with a big amber doorknob head. I was fairly hard to miss, even though I was playing a Malkavian and therefore spent half the game "invisible".

I'd never played a Malkie before. Invisibility is cool. I may have to try it again.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, June 7, 2001 02:26:20 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Sorry for 2x post.

Lain>> I meant to say "Yeah, but it's a start." Stupid typo/brain dysfunction.
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Thursday, June 7, 2001 02:11:15 PM
IP: mqt2-pm3-24.dial.up.net

I just started work yesterday at the grocery store I've worked at during the summer for two years. I got 26 fricking hours this week. *shakes head* I hope my schedule improves later.

Anyway, on to replies.
Warpmind>> Wow.

Taleweaver>> 27

Lain>><<solution is ALSO waaaaaaaay more complex than to just legalize guns>> No, but it's a start. The ban isn't doing much good, so there isn't even a reason to violate their right to own a gun.

Josh>>I understand if you don't want to reply back. However, there are points in your post that I want to respond to.
<> It's gotta suck going through life fearing all your neighbors because of nothing more that a gut feeling.
<<It is a state-given right!>> Any "right" given by the state isn't a right. The state giveth, and the state taketh awayeth. The very concept of "rights" is that you have because you are a human being. All the rights you are given under the Bill of Rights are "God-given" or "natural" rights, if you prefer. That doesn't mean that they are not denied to people by their government. People in China have the right to free speech, the right to protection against search and seizure without justification, and the right to bear arms. The government of China simply violates those rights.
<<When you're "liberty" to own a gun interferes with my "life", that's a no-no.>> That's called murder or assault, or whatever, depending on the situation. We punish people for that. Unless they get off on a technicality, or are a celebrity, but damned if I can figure out how to fix *those* problems.
<<You can tell because the UN doesn't go around slapping human-rights violations on countries that don't allow their citizens to be armed.>> The U.N. doesn't do much bitching about China's shooting people with just a show trial either, unless the U.S. twists their arm. That's why China was crowing about us not being on the Human Rights Commission this time around. The U.N. is not the arbiter of rights. I don't think the U.S. should be either, since we have enough problems of our own to worry about. But just because the U.N. wants to take our guns (there's a conference in July for writing a treaty to do this) we're suppposed to say, "Whoa, John, the U.N. doesn't think keeping guns is a right. We'd better just roll over quietly?"
<> You are probably correct, if "gun-happy" means liking to collect guns. I'm that way, too. If you mean likely to use them on someone, then I believe that you are wrong.
<> Yes, they did. See quote below.
<<That army may be proportionally smaller...but they have tanks, planes, and guns. Big guns. I think they'd win against 260 million idiotic fat people with hunting rifles and handguns.>>Two words: Viet Cong.
<<If I were starving, I'd be a thief.>>Remember, you are not the world. You can't necessarily extrapolate from yourself to everyone else. I believe stealing is wrong, no matter what situation I find myself in.
<<No chance in hell.>>Yeah, actually it can happen here. Saying "It can't happen here," virtually guarantees that it *will* happen here. There will be a president sooner or later who will try to see what he can get away with. And Congress might let some of it slide, (see Bill Clinton) until it's too late. If not the executive branch one, then one of the others I said, or one that I didn't mention at all.
<<Sometimes it just means "ideal".>>Actually, I was referring to the words roots. The writer who coined it (I want to say Milton, but I'm not certain) was looking for a word to describe his perfect civilization. So he used "utopia," which is Greek for "does not exist." It's meaning of "ideal," in English, comes from the fact that the word is commonly used to describe perfect societies.
<<Your child will not be playing around with your seatbelt and accidentally trigger something that kills the kid.>> If someone's kid is playing with a gun, the problem isn't with the gun, or with any other gun owner. It's with that kids parents, or the owners of the place he's at, if it's at another's house. If you keep guns in the house, the first thing you should do when they are old enough, is teach them not to go near guns. As a matter of fact, this should be taught in first grade to all kids. The NRA has a free program for schools called "Eddie Eagle" that teaches this.
<<The opinion that other people are stupid and, on the whole, untrustworthy.>> Remember, you are saying that about everyone in here, and everyone at large, and you don't have the data to back it up for most people. Sure, I know some stupid people, too, but I don't claim you're dumb because of them.
<<supporting it with nothing more than my own feelings.>> That's fine, to support it to yourself. But for the rest of us, we don't trust your "feelings." We have no information about where they come from.

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
--- Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Thursday, June 7, 2001 01:57:25 PM
IP: mqt2-pm3-24.dial.up.net

Gun control, I believe in the second ammendment. I also believe that those Jack@$$es should enforce the gun laws we already have and stop trying to make new ones everytime another kid gets shot by another kid whos' parents didn't do a proper job of rasing him. Well ok I can see that its startin to die down, just for the reconrd I may join the NRA someday but I don't want to carry a gun around all the time, just give me a stun gun, some mace andthe keychain/baton that is good for pummling guys in their "soft spot"..Wait I already own that baton.

Jehova's witness>>>Don't get that a lot round here, We do get a lot of Mormons though, and they figured out a way to recruit women, cause OMG the guys the send are gorgeous! Of course I wait paintetly to hear what they say cause I'm undressing these studs with my eyes. I may already be a mormon and not even know it.

Akon goers>>>Sounds like you all had a blast, Almost made me wish I attended Jacon but i was during Mother's day weekend, I may attend the one in Kisimee in August. Although Iwish I lived near Baltimore so I could go to Otakon, cause the great Midorkawa Hikaru will be there.

Wilek>>That link that you posted...everytime I went to that site my window closed. I fot that annoying grey box:This server has caused an illegal action and must be closed.

Danielle>>> A glow in the dark rabbit! Would really want a Lion man for a boyfriend?! hmmmm If I were to be spliced I just like to have some wings that pop out now and then like van and Folken Fanel of Escaflowne.

Aaron>>>That picture didn't show it but do you still have your ponytail? And if so how much longer til it will be Duo's lenght?
Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida
Thursday, June 7, 2001 09:03:41 AM
IP: user-37kapgi.dialup.mindspring.com

*****Stares Blankly at Josh's Post*****

Okay, I think I've said this before, but this is no fair. You don't get to ADMIT that you're being selfish. You're supposed to go on for weeks about how we're not being fair to the world at large. This way ends the arguments too soon. What fun is that?
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, June 7, 2001 06:20:27 AM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Hey guys have any of you ever listen to news on the wonderful world of genetic engineering. 6 months ago a mad scientist in France genetically engineered a rabbit that glows a bright green in the dark by splicing the rabbit's genes with certain genes of a species of jellyfish that glows in the dark. Is it amazing In the gargoyles cartoon I always enjoyed the character Talon because I'm sort of attracted to characters that are part human part animal (especially part human part cat) Well one genetic engineer speculated that in the future you would be able to have your self injected with animal genes making you part human part animal. I sometimes wish such technology was around today it would be pretty cool for my boyfriend to be part lion part human like Maggie Reed from Ohio
Danielle - [saggersd@hotmail.com]
Thursday, June 7, 2001 06:20:01 AM
IP: s30-pm4-wh.yknet.yk.ca

Hey does anyone know when the next TGS episode would appear?

Thanks

Danielle (Sapphire)
Danielle - [saggersd@hotmail.com]
whitehorse, Yukon, Canada
Thursday, June 7, 2001 06:03:02 AM
IP: s14-pm4-wh.yknet.yk.ca

Gside><<There's usually a courting period involved, and it's more difficult as an engineer to start said cycle.>> How come? Just 'cause yer an engineer, that doesn't mean it has to control your WHOLE life, eh? <<And there's a move in that one that is amazing.>> ...Move? o.O <<Well, they're quite large, so they won't fit on my eden account unless I span them across archive files.>> Considering that I'm still stuck with a 56k modem, and my comp doesn't have a way to store the files, AND that I don't even know how to RUN them, there's no real hurry. Just looking into possibilities, is all... <<One guy's head scares me, there's an extremely crudely animated character at one point, don't even talk about the urinal, and all the characters are insane.>> Ah. Sounds GOOD, then! I thought you meant tentacles or succubi or some such... : P <<Such a nice opening scene. And I liked the little guy.>> The shrimpster was nice, but my favorite's still the exploding-dead-people woman. If only for the name. I thought the ending was rather a downer, but it was excellent overall. Is Resurection any good?
<<That statement is a contradiction in terms.>> ...Wanna bet? *Hands Gside a one-way pass to the Hell of the Horny Dragon* <<If an explosives girl can be a Gunsmith Cat, you can work with booms, too.>> Actually, Creep is my boomer persona. He's the one that puts explosives in cell phones, watches, ties, pens, hats, you name it. I usually just stick with claymores and satchel charges. <<Wouldn't surprise me. Especially after Junk Story.>> Junk Story...? What's this? <> Remember, boys, five of her six ends are pointy when she lies down...

Aaron><<Hearing 300 people yell "You bastard!" at Robby... Priceless.>> *Raises an eyebrow* ...I'm REALLY regretting missing the cosplay. On the other hand, Jeff was with me, and he and Fans mix like nitro and earthquakes... <<As a Texan, pbbbbbbbb! ;p>> Got a problem with that, laddie? *wicked grin* <<And I had pizza again last night...>> What are ye, the pizza goon? o.O <<Dude, you promise?!?!?!?>> Certianly. We have Saa'lynn the SAW gunner, Anna- and Uni-puma, or Matsuki. One MG/Knifer, two terrorists, and a sweet little thing who's highly prone to zapping people with lightning. Ya pays yer cash and ya takes yer pick...

Lain><<and my sleep was filled with dreams of standing in a war-blasted streetcorner and getting shot..>> Oddly enough, my last dream involved carrying the decaying bodies of my brother and sister around while I hid from the authorities. I think we BOTH need to watch a few hours of Bambi...
<<people who go door to door trying to "convert the masses" sneakily and only really when they are going to die REALLY get on my nerves..>> ......Better then than never... <<in fact, it would have most likely aided me in NEVER GETTING IN THAT SITUATION in the first place, no?>> Maybe, and maybe not. If the attacker is smart enough to pick a good area, then screaming won't do much. Yes, you can avoid maybe 80% of trouble simply by using your noggin... But there's always the chance that you'll be blindsided. A gun is simply a trump card; used properly, it can get you out of nearly ANYTHING. <<thats REALLY why i dont like guns..>> Never had THAT happen... But if it had, it would simply solidify my belief that if I'm going to be secure, I need to be armed. <<wonder what will happen when the time comes for me to play with big guns..>> Like when you come down for christmas? You've gotta come shooting with me and Jeff. ; ) <<basically, the england issue is more complicated than "gun control doesnt work" and its solution is ALSO waaaaaaaay more complex than to just legalize guns...>> The problem may be complex, but the used guns as scapegoats, and things only got worse. Legalizing guns might not solve their problems overnight, but keeping them banned isn't doing any good either, eh? So why keep 'em banned?
<<shall we?>> *Grins back* After you, love!
<<go explore some REAL history for a change.>> Um, that WAS real history. D-Day. We invaded Hitler's @$$. We and the british bombed the HIFL out of Germany, too. Although England DOES get all the credit for the Battle of Britian...

DPH><<Sorry, but I don't believe the populace should be packing fully automatic guns.>> Um, sounds like you've been suking down a little too much agitprop. To own a full-auto weapon, or a silencer, or a chopped shotgun or rifle, or a stocked pistol, you have to have a Class 3 dealer's liscence, register each weapon with the BATF, and pay a $200 tax on EACH WEAPON. There have been 2 fatalities from legally-owned automatic weapons since the laws were passed, one by a crazy cop, and one by a crooked cop. Full-auto weapons have nothing to do with the debate.

David G.><> Hey! I know who you were! Okay, I gotcha placed now, though I never saw you without the facemask... Did you stop by the pool lounge ANY time saturday evening? The three of us were in there 'till Jeff started getting a dangerous gleam in his eye from watching the VLARPers... In another minute, we'd have had a vamp Rocky Balboa on our hands... ; P

Warpmind><<Guys like us know how to handle Gunjack's catgirls, huh?>> Keep talking like that, and we'll be peelin' ya off the floor with a mop...

Jannie><<Ya'll have me confused anyway. O.o>> We do? o.O ...How come? The whole sleeping arrangements thing?

Too tired. Must sleep. But in closing, our trio has decided on costumes for next year's Akon.
I, of course, will be going as Gunjack Valentine (Mark III, complete with handgun this time...). Ben, being skinnier than Ghandi and taller than some proffesional basketball players, will be attending as Vash. As for Jeff, well, we gave him two choices: Briarios from Appleseed, or a catgirl. Pray for the former.
Oh yeah, and I realized something. I have three weeks before I'll be gone for the rest of the summer. Will I be able to catch up in time?? Only time will tell!!
Gunjack "Gutpunch Hungry" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Thursday, June 7, 2001 04:22:43 AM
IP: acba3a02.ipt.aol.com

YUCK! That's a lot of stuff to write about!

First things first. My friend got a brand new BMW 325, so we're going out tonight to celebrate. What an amazing car he got...I'm insanely jealous. At least I know that Boomer can still drive over his ass, even if he won't die when I do it.

I read today in the LA Times that California is now requiring Algebra I to be taught before graduation. Apparently, Alegbra is the determining factor for which kids go to college and which work at McD's. And students and parents are concerned about it because they can't do it. Look, if you can't do algebra, that means you can't figure out how long it will take you to get home at 55 miles/hour. It means you can't figure out which payment plan for a car is cheaper in the long run. You can't figure out how much gas will cost for your trip to Berkeley. In short, YOU ARE STUPID AND SHOULD BE SHOT (or at least sterilized). This is really basic stuff, people. You can't be afraid of this. The scary thought is that Algebra used to NOT be a graduation requirement. That means the people running our state can't wrap their brains around the fact that y=x+1 is a line at a 45 degree angle through (0,1) on a cartesian graph system. Likely, they do not even know who the Cartesian Coordinate system is named for. This vexes me. I've very vexed.

Kill them, kill them all.

Before the gun debate...some normal replies.

Jannie: <<people say that I have a southern accent>>: You do. A thick one. <<everyone else sounds funny>>: That doesn't change the fact that you have an accent. <>: You, too, wish your package could hang in the breeze? <<can I say balls in here?>>: Balls. The answer is yes. <<My blood pressure won't come down>>: Try relaxing. A lot.

Gside: <<With negative population density>>: People with anti-mass live there? <<They came back, but are currently busy>>: Or dead. The two are indistinguishable in CR. <<a class I don't have to take>>: All Hail the Engineer! <<getting the girl>>: Indeed, my friend, indeed. <>: My first burn was a successful copy of Nine Inch Nails' "The Fragile: Left". No burns after that were successful for nearly 6 months. <<random mutation from two biology majors>>: Anything's possible, I guess. <<Do you think that would really stop me?>>: Its certainly not going to affect me and SJ. <<That is a question that should never need be asked>>: That sounds like 9GB of PSL to me. <<

Lain: <<my connection is SLOWER THAN THE SECOND COMING!>>: LOL. <>: Why don't you just get a friend to download it and transfer? <<imzy might GET me the gun>>: I'm against arming irresponsible insane people...even if its for a good cause. Sorry. <<go explore some REAL history>>: Sorry. I meant "The Allies", not "The United States". Britian was there too, and I think a canadian or two may have helped...damn french cowards...

Gunjack: <<Ever heard of mechaphillia?>>: You like having sex with robots? <<that's enough damage to chop a fair-sized skyscraper in half>>: I'll need two, then. Put it on my tab. <<I'm a GUNjack, not a BOMBjack!>>: Well I'm a lumberjack and that's okay. I sleep all night and I work all day! ;-)

Niamhgold: <<what characters>>: Anyone you want. Check out www.kicktothenuts.com/gargoyles.html to see which ones have already been done. They don't have to be huge or complex, as they're gonna be shrunk down to 128x128 pixels.

Warpmind: <>: Foreigners...

DPH: <<certain IQ level in order to vote>>: AMEN BROTHA! <<the test being administered FARILY>>: Elaborate, please.

Babbler: Welcome. I saw Deadly Force. It rocked. Do a transcript, and disclaim it appropriately. Then say you're poor and you don't have to worry about Disney coming after you.

Aaron: <<Ever seen The Graduate?>>: Yes. Doesn't change my opinion. <<Everything after 8th grade was a mystery to me>>: Come on! It wasn't THAT hard. <<there are these guys called Jedi>>: They aren't real knights. They're the next evolution of hippies.

Traveler: You broke the CR!? Badass!

Tim: <<Would It be possible to have a Gathering in Omaha?>>: In god's name, man, WHY!? What else would we do there?

And now, much gun stuffs. Lets see if THIS breaks the CR. Please note: I'm not posting on this any more. I made my initial arguments, took the counters, and now I'm countering. I'm done. Unless you flame me, in which case...well, you don't wanna know...

First, let me explain my view point a little more clearly, as I seem to have a habit of being misunderstood. I do not think there is an effective way to get guns off the streets, nor do I think that remove weaponry from honest citizenry will decrease the crime rate. However, that doesn't mean I think we should all be armed. I fear for my safety not just from gang-bangers but from EVERYONE. People, as I'm sure many of you have noticed, are panicky, foolish, and greedy. The fact that they have a gun doesn't make them any less of a threat to me than anyone else, particularly since I can move away from gang-infested areas, but my neighbor always lives right next door.

Second, let me explain something about the 2nd Amendment. The right to bear arms (or clothed arms, for that matter) is NOT a god-given right! It is a state-given right! "god-given" rights (ignoring for a second that I don't believe in god) are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When you're "liberty" to own a gun interferes with my "life", that's a no-no. Therefore, you do NOT have a god-given right to own a gun. You can tell because the UN doesn't go around slapping human-rights violations on countries that don't allow their citizens to be armed.

I don't want to take away your right to bear arms. I couldn't do it if I wanted to. If I were elected to congress tomorrow, I wouldn't try to enact a single piece of gun control legislation. I'm just saying that I don't trust people with guns. In an ideal world, this wouldn't be a problem, because people would be smart, responsible, etc. Only a few people happen to be this way on THIS planet.

And no matter what you say, I will always be convinced that Heston is a bit gun happy, even if none of the other NRA members are ;-)

As for having a gun for defense, I'm concerned that it would make the attacker actually want to USE his gun rather than just threaten with it. Criminals rarely shoot if they don't have to. Suddenly, I have a gun, and now I'm a threat to them. A big one. BANG. Threat eliminated.

Lastly, lets get one thing straight: Understand what Narrow-minded means before you use it. If you insist on calling me "intellectually dishonest" and "narrow minded" simply because my opinions don't agree with yours, then as far as I'm concerned YOU are the narrow-minded one and I have no intellectual respect for you. I have one view, you have another. I understand your side, I really do. I just don't agree with it. Something about it just strikes a "wrong" chord in me and it will take a lot more convincing that I'm wrong. Just because I don't have statistics backing up my claims doesn't mean there aren't any. Gun Control is not my debate forum of choice. If I had statistics I'd gladly counter yours with them (please don't answer this with "there aren't any", there are statistics that validate EVERY viewpoint). So instead I'm relying on my gut feelings and my own logic, which if you ever seen me program, isn't too shabby.

Tim: <<historical figures would agree with you>>: Yeah? I'm a dictator. We all knew that. <<The National Firearms Act was PASSED in '34>>: Even better. How could an act passed in 34 have any effect on the 15 previous years' crimes? <<It's up to the individual how to use them>>: That is true. Guns themselves are not bad. Guns are, however, dangerous in the wrong hands. Hell, guns are dangerous in the "right" hands too. <<Do you think *my* rights are insignificant and should be compromised because of the acts of a few?>>: Actually, yes.

Siofra: <<If you aren't capable of that then you shouldn't be in posession of a potentially deadly weapon>>: Amen. Tests all around, since there's no practical way to ban guns, at least we can try to keep them out of hands of idiots.

Azrael: <<Should we outlaw motor vehicles?>>: Perhaps, but I think its more practical if we just make them much harder to acquire (stricter license tests, higher age requirements, etc). <<"Founding Fathers" fully expected us to have to overthrow>>: You are absolutely right. I don't think they even intended them to be used as protection against anything LESS than a dictatorship. I don't think they were intended to be used as protection against burglary. <<we can take on what is an increadibly small army>>: You, sir, are living in a fantasy world. That army may be proportionally smaller...but they have tanks, planes, and guns. Big guns. I think they'd win against 260 million idiotic fat people with hunting rifles and handguns.

Gunjack: <<With a handgun, some good training, and the willingness to actually USE his weapon>>: Not to mention a permit to carry a loaded weapon in public. <<is the majority of our population honest, or criminal?>>: The majority is in the center, duh. Honest when they can be, criminal if the must be. If I were starving, I'd be a thief. No question about it. But I try to follow the rules when I can.

Yooper: <<sorry about the length>>: Ha. I eat those posts for breakfast. ;-) <<the most likely>>: No chance in hell. The president is a figurehead. He can't take a sh*t without the approval and ratification of congress. <<when you have no information to base your statement on?>>: Two words: Jerry Springer. <<utopia means "does not exist.">>: That depends on where you look it up. Sometimes it just means "ideal". And ideal conditions CAN exist (even if they rarely do). <<Actually, it can>>: Your child will not be playing around with your seatbelt and accidentally trigger something that kills the kid. That's what I meant. Well, it could happen...its just extremely unlikely. Far more unlikely than being shot.

Traveler: <<Who are you to judge me?>>: No one special. Just a guy with an opinion. The opinion that other people are stupid and, on the whole, untrustworthy. <>: Give me some credit, please. <<completely changed>>: That's going over the top, now. Please calm down. I don't want the entire Constitution thrown out. This is one amendment we're talking about. <<That's really quite selfish and narrow minded of you>>: That sounds a bit like a flame. <<foolish of you to believe that the illusion of safety would somehow make the rest of the real world any safer>>: I don't care about the rest of the world. This is purely selfishly motivated. <<Los Angeles Riots>>: I was right here, in the valley, a scant 40 minutes from the riots. I was in 5th grade, and I remember it very clearly. And I can tell you with absolute certainty that I wouldn't have felt any safer if my parents owned a gun. I'd be too worried that one of us would get accidentally shot. Don't dare me to do anything. Don't challenge my intellect, because I am quite capable of forming an opinion and supporting it with nothing more than my own feelings. I don't need anything else. I "fully understand the implications" thank you very much. Now I suggest you take your holier-than-thou attitude and stick it somewhere unpleasant.

Lynati: <<wait until after that 'one day' and ask THEN>>: Go ahead. My stances on issues like this don't change so easily. Call me after it happens the third time ;-)

Jannie: <<doctor comparison>>: I'm sorry, that was the silliest comparison I've ever heard. You seem to have forgotten that doctors save many lives every day. Take the accidental deaths caused by physicians, then subtract the lives saved. Do the same for guns. I'm sure you'll find the physicians to be slightly less deadly then the guns. I'm not counting collateral life-saving, as in "I shot him/saved him which prevented X (unknown amount) deaths" (except in a case like a hostage situation).

Taleweaver: <<how many amendments there are>>: I believe its 22 or 23.

Warpmind: Whoa. Norway sucks. Not moving there.

Lain: <<more complicated than "gun control doesnt work" and its solution is ALSO waaaaaaaay more complex than to just legalize guns>>: I agree wholeheartedly.

Whew. That was a mouthful.

To err is human, but to really fuck things up you need a computer.
-PureEvil (TeenChatCenter)

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Thursday, June 7, 2001 03:49:36 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-240.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Daphne, I'll give you 1/2 those cybercookies for nailing the right book. Even I don't remeber the quote, but I do remember it's in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John (maybe in more than one of those). The other 1/2 the cybercookies are available who can nail the quote down even more specific.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, June 7, 2001 02:07:03 AM
IP: max1-1.cwy.cei.net

Lain> <<WHY did we get the extra 9 gigabytes on this compute>>: That is a question that should never need be asked.

Gunjack> <<Can we know too, or is it classified?>>: Partly classified, mostly uninteresting. The school we both went to has a school song that tend to haunt you for the rest of your life. On of the lines is "loyal will our hearts ere be/and our best endeavor be given, oh dear Rumson school, to thee."
<<there's something a bit off with yer outlook>>: After all I've said, you just notice that now. But my point was you don't usually propose to random girls on the street. There's usually a courting period involved, and it's more difficult as an engineer to start said cycle.
<<you have Jubei-chan!?>>: Only seen through number 7. And there's a move in that one that is amazing.
<>: Well, they're quite large, so they won't fit on my eden account unless I span them across archive files. So I'd probably have to get on MSNIM or AIM again.
<<Freaky stuff?>>: One guy's head scares me, there's an extremely crudely animated character at one point, don't even talk about the urinal, and all the characters are insane. With the possible exception of Nanohana chan.
<<And have you seen the origional Ninja Scroll yet?>>: Yup. Such a nice opening scene. And I liked the little guy. You seen http://users.vei.net/jng/fcp/misc/jubei.html ?
<<Too much hentai>>: That statement is a contradiction in terms.
<>: You really should make the distinction if you want an effective threat.
<<I'm a GUNjack, not a BOMBjack!>>: If an explosives girl can be a Gunsmith Cat, you can work with booms, too.
<<Ever heard of mechaphillia>>: Wouldn't surprise me. Especially after Junk Story.

Warpind> <<It's all about where ya scratch'em>>: I think scratch might be the wrong word.

Babbler> <<has everyone in here seen the rare and elusive DEADLY FORCE episode of Gargoyles?>>: Check Avalon, they've got it in .wmv.

Aaron> <<everything this year seemed to run to she-males and tentacles>>: You call that a bad thing?

Kitainia> <<So why are they releasing their next animated feature opposite a sexy action thriller they know everyone will see instead?>>: Because game adaptions are notorious for being bad and not selling well?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, June 7, 2001 02:00:40 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

My first prediction of movie success in this room: Disney is going to lose millions they could have made off Atlantis for one simple reason. No, it's not the lack of an original story once again (though that might help)- it's that they're showing the movie opposite Tomb Raider next week. Angelina Jolie and Lara Croft are both much cooler than anything Disney could dream up, unless they have their heads buried in the sand the Disney execs must know this. So why are they releasing their next animated feature opposite a sexy action thriller they know everyone will see instead? <shrugs> I have no idea. Now the wait begins to find out if I'm right. <checks watch impatiently>
Da Movie Seer
Thursday, June 7, 2001 12:23:48 AM
IP: 1cust139.tnt1.austin2.tx.da.uu.net

Jannie- I heard the same thing on the news last night. They say the young women are getting the virus more and more and as well the younger gereration of gays protect don't themselves as much that evens goes to straight teens as well. There is medaction now called Quicksavan (a.k.a. the AIDS cocktail) they say it slows down the virus, or that is what I hear. I do know that when I'm with another man will both be careful.
Sexy Queer - [craft_celtic@yahoo.com]
Ohio
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 11:21:26 PM
IP: chil-vdsl-nrp-1.bright.net

wow.
considering how long it's been since I've posted, very little has gone on on my end. well, except for the stuff mentioned in my location line.
what can I say? life's pretty good right now.

accents>> I know I don't have a philadelphian accent, because I've been asked repeatedly by philadelphians where I grew up (they were trying to place my accemnt) um... philadelphia! bad enough my fellow new alumni refuse to believe I'm from the city...

DPH>> <Something comes to mind but not putting new wine in old sheepskins> maybe I missed it, but if the cookies are still up for grabs, it's a quote from the bible... although that's probably not specific enough, is it?

ah well.

happines, all!
Daphne - [suburbanbubble@hotmail.com]
out of high school, in love
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 09:11:43 PM
IP: 73.philadelphia03rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net

Voting is open in the May FFC: Music contest! Just go to 'Previous Month' to view the entries and then to the Discussion Boards to cast your votes.
Thanks!!
Vote in the Fanart Fight Club!!
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 08:52:05 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-237-119.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

*****Kyryn sneaks in for a few quick replies.*****

Aaron> You guys did the bit with the gun as an improv? I'm impressed! It looked like you had seriously practiced it before the con. BTW, thanks for pointing out Alan! Now I'll know who I'm looking for the next time. Cosplay tapes> The only thing I can tell you is to keep checking the A-kon website. They'll announce when they are taking orders.

Later, All!

****Kyryn vanishes into the aether.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 05:19:51 PM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Lessee if this breaks the room...

Aaron's A-kon ramble: This was the year I told myself I was going to be prepared for any and all eventualities. I even remembered to buy sun screen so I wouldn't sunburn my arm by hanging it out the window all the way to Dallas. (Of course, I probably should have bought something a little better then SPF *4*, but anyway...)

But the more you plan, the more Murphy's law comes into effect. (I don't know how Xanatos does it) So getting to A-kon was a bit of a fiasco. (Apparently it was that way for everyone coming from San Antonio, as a brief meeting with Elin Winkler in the lobby of the Westin confirmed) We left much later then we intended, the guy we were following drove... rather slower then I do on a normal basis, much less when I have that much ground to cover, got lost, blew a tire, and then we lost him, due to some extremely... creative, not to say crackheaded, freeway layout. After wandering around Dallas, completely lost, we eventually did manage to get to the hotel. (Did see some interesting sights tho'. Only place I've ever seen a drive-through condom shop...) Of course, that was the wrong hotel. I thought we were in the Westin. Oops.

When we arrived at the Radisson, we found Robby's cousin Bryan, *his* girlfriend named Heather, (Which got confusing rather quickly, what with Robby's Heather showing up. And yes, she is a real person. Robby hasn't been kidding us about that) and her brother, whose name is *Robert*. Weirdness. We feared they had been waiting for us for like six hours, but their luck had been much like ours.

So we got checked in, introductions were made, and then I went back to the lobby for what would by my last contact with Mara for four days. :( Alan arrived around that time, and we went off to Denny's, the con-goer's friend, for my first real meal of the day. After that, Robby and I wandered around the Westin for a while, becoming progressively more creeped out at some of the architectural touches. Having become paranoid enough to touch the floor-length mirrors just to see if they would ripple like in The Matrix, we adjourned to the room at like 3 a.m.

Friday: Bryan and Glyph (Bryan's Heather) are lovely people, but, as I would discover over the next four days, they possess one fatal flaw. They are *MORNING PEOPLE* Morning people do not understand con-going. It is not necessary to roll out of the only bed in the room at 8:30 every morning. Nothing important starts that early. Nor is it very nice to your roommates who didn't come back until 3 a.m. Especially if they don't eat breakfast simply because it involves getting up early... Glyph can be seen with her brother here: http://www.fansview.com/2001/akon/ak02a0009.html

It was at about this point in the trip that I discovered what Glyph's brother was like... Imagine Dilandau from Escaflowne, if he wasn't bishy, cool, or scary. Yes, he had an annoying high-pitched voice, complete with giggly laugh. His personality left rather a bit to be desired as well. His standard method of waking me was to wander by, all 6'2", 200 lbs of him, and dump a wadded-up, king-sized comforter on my head. I think I started every morning but one by croaking out the word "prick." (I accidentally did that to Glyph once. Thought she was her brother. And no, Glyph did not have a deep voice.) And then he would follow us. Everywhere. Despite our best efforts to ditch him, he would always be just one wrong turn away, waiting around the corner...

(Upon reflection, I think Alan was my favorite roomie. He was quiet, always had something intelligent to say when he did speak, didn't wake me up, kicked in for the room cost, and wasn't having a Kodak moment with his SO every thirty seconds. Thanks Alan. (A picture of him can be found here: http://www.fansview.com/2001/akon/ak02a0008.html, bottom right. Alan can be seen in the background.) And in retrospect, I'm *really* glad my brother went to Orlando for Magic Nationals instead, because if I'd brought him, we wouldn't have made it home. He'd have killed Robert around noon on Saturday. No, it would not have mattered that my brother is 5'4" and weighs maybe 115 pounds, he would have killed him. (Especially since my brother seems to have a sudden, heretofore unknown affinity for, and competency with, several things I bought there, but more on that later)

(Gods, this sounds really bitter, doesn't it? I dunno, maybe it's because last year I had no expectations, and didn't sigh to the Mara-shaped hole in the air every time Heather and Robby or Bryan and Glyph were unspeakably cute. I did a lot of sighing in those four days)

I'm not trying to imply that the whole con sucked. It didn't. It's just that this year, I didn't make it to any of the anime or fan video showings, whereas last year, I discovered Trigun and Berserk totally by just wandering into random theaters. That and last year, when I had no money, there was all this cool stuff I wanted to buy. This year, when I was prepared with mucho cash and plastic for emergencies, I... couldn't find anything to spend money on. I left a con without going broke. How embarrassing.

But back to friday... A whole day to wear my fabled cheetah-print pimp suit, complete with a Sanrio charm I found in the parking lot hanging from my collar. I seem to be wearing it in at least half my pictures... I hit the dealer's room, just scoping it out for the time being. Eventually, I got a Slayers CD, and got it autographed by Lisa Ortiz, and Crispin Freemen, the dub voices of Lina and (for most of the series) Zelgadiss. Lisa looks kind of like Crzy, only with Linaesque proportions instead of Jen's Nagaesque figure. I rapped with Crispin for a bit, asking him if he was still on for the Gathering. (Little did I know at that time that it was a legitimate question) I also asked Lisa who she thought Lina should end up with, Gourry, Zel, or Xellos. She had a bad reaction to Xellos, and said that she liked Zel, but Lina would probably go with Gourry in the end. (Of course, I realized later that Lisa is the *dub* Lina, and therefore is only familiar with the lame David Moo Xellos, not the ultra-smooth Akira Ishida Xel we all know and love) (Oh and Crzy, I'm no longer afraid of a Bishonenmon match with Crispy. I can take him. So just bring it. ;) )

It was around this time that I discovered two things that made me happy. First, the art show, and I spent much happy time perusing it. (The Dealer's Room and the Art Show would become my two primary hangouts for the rest of the con, since there was always one happy couple or another sneaking back to the room) I found Spike's spot, but she wasn't there. Second, that there was a Pizza Hut built into the hotel, and it was open 24 hours a day. (Looking back, I realize that Pizza Hut is the one constant at every con I've been to. I met Jen over a pizza at G99, we had one at the airport foodcourt at A-kon 11, Mara and I bonded over a pizza at G2K, and here it was again. I'll have to look for one in LA)

I discovered something else, probably a sign of how Mara's mellowing me. I hate eating alone, at least eating out. And then I went back to the Dealer's room, and bought two swords. (As I said to Elin, "I promised I wasn't going to buy an edged weapon... So I bought two of them instead.") The nicest one matched colors with my outfit, so I carried it around for the rest of the day, leading to a pretty good pic of Dilandu vs. The Cheetah Pimp (Or Steve Aaron, Catgirl-Hunter, as I had taken to identifying myself) Unfortunately, due to my crappy disposable camera, if we'd actually drawn, we'd have elbowed each other in the gut before we got the blades halfway drawn. We were that close together)

And of course, the highlight of Friday was a RHPS showing in room 667 of the Radisson. Hellacool, since we'd been listening to the soundtrack on the way up. (Which was good, because that was as close as Robby would get. Rocky was unfortunately right across from Robby's Heather's mom's room...) Heh-heh, the guy at the door checking for virgins didn't even give me a chance to answer, he just looked at my suit and goes "Probably not." I hadn't been to a Rocky showing with audience participation in five years, and I'd forgotten how much I missed it. It was great to hear the different lines from people from all over the country, and I even managed to break the whole crowd up twice, once with a line none of them knew, and once with one I just made up on the spot.

Saturday: Saturday was the day I was late for everything. The fact that I was horribly out of practice at tying a necktie made me late leaving the room. (I know, it just gets pulled to half-mast anyway, but when your costume is as low-effort as mine, you try to get the details right) Protecting my interests at the Art Show made me late for CosPlay. (Another sign of how Mara is mellowing me, I actually took a little kid to meet Diana X. Sprinkle, because he loved her work, and I know her in passing. A year ago, I wouldn't have probably even talked to the kid.) Oh, and I ran into Skippy and bought another sword somewhere in there. (Skippy went to Rocky too, but we were on opposite sides of the room)

So, that good deed made me late for CosPlay. I made it, just in time to get in, and then we waited for an hour. Now, I have a life-long fear of public speaking, so I was pretty nervous. And we kept revising the skit until like five minutes before we went on. Which was about the time the fire alarm went on...

Yes, the annual A-kon disaster struck again, but fortunately it was just a minor case of somebody smoking right under a detector, so we went back in, and went on stage...

Honestly, our only ambition was to not get booed. We'd been over the skit so many times we had no idea if it was funny or not any more. We just figured we'd see it through, get this out of our systems, and move on... And then we got on stage, the audience laughed, applauded, and responded in all the right places... And we spent half the ride home going over ideas for next year.

Waiting for the end of CosPlay made me late for the Art Auction, where one of the pieces I was interested in, Diana Sprinkle's drawing of Heero and Duo, Powerpuff-style, had already gone. Fortunately, it went to that little kid I introduced to Diana earlier that day, for a pretty low amount compared to the others in the J-Puff series. (I'm pretty sure nobody had the heart to bid against a little kid. I may have to hire one for future auctions. Hmm, I wonder if Becca or Greg's kids would like to make some money?) The guy who runs the auction, Cheshire, is a master. Every year, he comes up with some memorable phrase. Last year, it was the "Boomerang Bitchslap" used to describe two people going back and forth, raising the bid by significant amounts. This year, it was the "Doink bid.", raising the bid by a dollar. "That's like picking a fight with somebody, and then just flicking them in the forehead. Like this. Doink!" Of course, sometimes doink bids win. "It's like the machine guns in Mech Warrior. All those little hits add up."

For the record, I did not go mental at the Art Auction this year, even if Robby did break his promise to stay and keep me in line. I bought four pieces, for less then what I paid for Asuka last year.

But that made me late for H-fest, and I nearly didn't get in. Once again, the CR rating limits what I can say about it, but it wasn't as good as last year. The catcalls were still there, and even better then last year, especially so due to some female turnout this year. The problem was that the screen was too low to read the subtitles over people's heads. (And trust me, sub snob that I am, subtitling is even more important with this class of anime then any other) But the crowd was even more restive then last year, due to an hour delay at the start, and started yelling "Plot!" much sooner. Also, everything this year seemed to run to she-males and tentacles, and not to better stuff like Vampire Madonna.

Sunday was banquet, which Elin got to attend this year, (yaye!) so I had someone to talk to, and I got to see the winning videos. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Brad DeMoss is a f**king genius! I picked up my art, finally running into Christi, and we talked for a while. Then there was one final creep around the rapidly-closing Dealer's Room, where Robby and I met Kyryn, and we made an effort to find the already departed Gunjack. And that was all she wrote for A-kon 12. We waited until the next morning, and drove home.

The end.

Plushie Elk from Mononoke Hime for my mom, $22.
Pretty katana for Mara, $50
Cute marker piece of Filia for me, $85.
Hearing 300 people yell "You bastard!" at Robby... Priceless.

And now, replies.

Dreamie> <<You may be overwhelmed with couple pics. (No not *that* kind!)>> Well, I dunno about that...

Jannie> No jewelry for you! <<if they were going to give the USA an enima, they'd stick it in the Oklahoma/Kansas panhandle area>> I still say it'd be D.C. Speaking of which, how do you feel now that the senate is no longer controlled by the GOP? Was there something you said about reaching out over common ground to deliver a bitchslap? ;)

SJ> <<goddamn Jenna Bush is HOT!>> Glad to know you haven't changed in my absence.

Lain> <<he wasnt born in texas, you see.. so he sounds kinda normal.>> As a Texan, pbbbbbbbb! ;p

Winterwolf> <<get by without showing Marina your own personal Demona?>> It is a heavy burden, I admit, but it'll give me time to get more of them. (And for Mara to get hers)

Christine> Congrats on the sale.

Spacebabie> <> I doubt it. Greg likes to surprise the new guests.

Josh> She's not bad looking, but come on...she's 40-something!>> Ever seen The Graduate? <<Not many people in here...I hope.>> (raises hand, sheepishly) Everything after 8th grade was a mystery to me... <<real KNIGHTS where plate>> I dunno, there are these guys called Jedi...

Alan> I will send your Spike off today. <<Rocky Horror in a small hotel room with about 50+ other people>> Actually, I ran into the guy in the dress later in the con, and he said there were *seventy* people.

Heather> <<My mom thought her hears someone say>> Ahhh, I thought it was the guy at the door asking everyone if they were a virgin or not.

Gunjack> <<anyone else eat there every meal of the con>> Actually, I counted, and out of the ten meals I actually ate over the five days I was there, six of them were at the pizza hut built into the hotel... And I had pizza again last night... <<Not a word, or I unleash the catgirls>> Dude, you promise?!?!?!?

Kyryn> <<The bit with the gun was priceless!>> That bit, along with most of the skit, was improved in the hall waiting to go on stage. BTW, how soon will those tapes be available for purchase? I'd like a copy.

Traveler> What do you mean, remember you? Dude, you're a legend. You wrote a post so long it *broke* the freaking room.

Warpy> <<beg pardon?>> Well, you recommended her to us.

Gun Control> Personally, I think we should just *all* go around strapped. I think it'd make us more polite to each other. But then, I'm a callous pragmatist, remember?

Wilek's Tests:

Vampire: "You are simply a tiny bud on the rose bush of death. However, with plenty of exposure to moonlight, along with a bit of cultivation and tender loving care, you should soon flower into something wicked, powerful and very thirsty."

My butt: "Your butt is so fat, the National Weather Agency should assign names to your farts."

The Gathering drop-out. Yes I'm disappointed. Ed Asner's pretty old, and I don't want him to go without ever experiencing a Gathering, like Ed Gilbert and Roddy McDowell did. Tom Wilson... What the Hell can he be doing that's so important he can't come see us? I haven't seen him in anything since Back to the Future 3. (Of course, this is where I get told he's visiting his dying mother or something, so I can feel really bad) Brigitte... Sorry Warpy. Better luck next year. And Marina... Yes, I'm disappointed as Hell about Marina. When Christi told me on Sunday, I felt like Christmas was cancelled. But we still have more guests then every other Gathering put together. We have the entire freaking Trio. We have enough behind the scenes people to storyboard a whole episode. And we have Crispy for all you Zel/Touga fangirls. What more do you want? (And Mara will be there, which outweighs all other concerns, at least for me)

When I left for work, my brother was practicing the psycho cop from Kenshin's fighting stance with Mara's katana... I'm worried.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 04:40:26 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Hey all!
~~~I'm new. I'm also a fanfic writer. (Mostly Humor) Just as a general question, has everyone in here seen the rare and elusive DEADLY FORCE episode of Gargoyles? If not, for those who want to see it, I was wondering how legal it would be if I posted a screen play of it for fans to see........ Does anyone know copywright law? If I did write it, it'll probably be a dangerous waste of my time. NEway, nice to see a good Gargoyles website. :)
Babbler - [Abbadon_13@yahoo.com]
lost in, Ohio, USA
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 04:01:14 PM
IP: cc629709-a.nwhub1.in.home.com

Quick reply before work:

lain>> If you don't feel comfortable with a gun, then CCW definately isn't for you. If you think that you will freeze up in a deadly situation, then your having a weapon can become more dangerous. This is why I have to think long and hard about getting a permit. I don't see myself locking up in an attack situation, but I want to do a little more soul-searching to be sure. However, what concealed carry is useful for is called "free riding" in economics. The miscreant may have been less likely to attack in the first place (I think I missed the situation you are referring to in earlier posts, were you just randomly chosen or did the perp know you?) if he had to wonder whether or not you are armed. A small town in the U.S. (I don't have time to look up the state or the date, I'll find it tonight) passed a resolution requiring everyone to have a gun in their homes. Burglaries dropped 80%. The point is that only a very small portion of people will apply for a CCW, even in "shall-issue" states, but the relative ease of getting a permit tends to make criminals think twice.

Taleweaver>><<It doesn't seem to me that a waiting period or a background check infringes on the rights>> In theory, no. A registration system doesn't technically do so either. (I'll just deal with both these at once, even though you don't say you favor registration) However, both can and have been abused. For background checks, the FBI is supposed to dump their background check records on for the national instant check system (NICS) after six months. This was passed in 1993 or 94, I think, and no records had been dumped by the end of the Clinton administration. I'm not sure if Bush has rectified this. For registration, the benefits are few, since criminals will find ways around the registration requirements (theft, black market), and the risks are great, since registration is the linchpin for any gun confiscation scheme.

Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 03:06:37 PM
IP: mqt2-pm3-53.dial.up.net

*enters, yawning slightly*
grah.. i slept very badly last night for some reason.. and my sleep was filled with dreams of standing in a war-blasted streetcorner and getting shot.. hmm...
must be the subject matter, i guess.

jannie>> re: jehovas witnesses.. may i share a story?? they used to come round the neighbourhood with their drab suits and scary briefcases all the time. being a bunch of heathen atheists, my parents always turned them away (though my mother was slightly more tactful than my father..) anyway, it came to pass that i got some piano students and three of them were JWs. i grew up with one of them and she was my best friend for quite some time, i remember when she converted, though. "now that im a jehovas witness, im gonna live forever" that was what she thought. she didnt think she would die at all.. we were pretty young at the time, and i dont think she really understood that.. you know.. EVERYONE dies...
so at any rate, i got the "watchtower" dropped off occasionally at lessons but they had not stopped at our house for near five years - that is till my mother was dying. then they would come down the street in the CAR and ONLY stop at our house - sneakily when my father wasnt home..
it was just really.. distasteful, you know? and my mother was kinda nice and polite and DIDNT slam the door in their faces (as my father would have) but, i mean.. "excuse me, i have made the choice to be an atheist and im dying here, so if you dont mind id like to die in peace without you telling me im going to your hell, thanks" sheesh, makes me sick..
people who go door to door trying to "convert the masses" sneakily and only really when they are going to die REALLY get on my nerves..
and theres no OK corral? DANGIT!! i know people dont go around like that but still..
HIV.. well i think maybe the contraction rate is higher among young people in general. AIDS isnt just a "disease of the homosexuals" anymore. i dont think the kids are stupid to think there are cures for HIV or AIDS, i think the parents and teachers in schools are stupid to not TEACH the kids that condoms dont stop the spread of the virus. people NEED TO BE TAUGHT. whats more important to life, knowing the names and order of all the presidents of the wonderous nation of the united states or knowing how to protect yourself against STIs?
youre right though, since people dont remember the worst outbreaks, the likelihood is that so many people are going to get infected..

gunjack and jannie>> well i happen to think that i would have been just as safe with a little bit of self confidence, perhaps if id been taught to use my voice proporly, it would have been just as effective a weapon as any chunk of metal *I* can think of.. in fact, it would have most likely aided me in NEVER GETTING IN THAT SITUATION in the first place, no?
the point is, i froze. even if id had a gun, i couldnt have used cos i couldnt move so really, whats the point?
i guess guns just make me nervous. once, i had one pointed at me (it was loaded) and that presented a rather large, cold and icky feeling in the bottom of my stomach. thats REALLY why i dont like guns..
however i do have this thing where i take my fears and meet them head-on. like the uniform thing. fear police/military type uniforms.. therefore join the army, that sort of thing. and im a fast learner. wonder what will happen when the time comes for me to play with big guns.. no wait, this is the CANADAIN army.. riiiiiiiight.. we have some intensive training with pointy sticks, i think..

traveler>> re british crime.. heh yeah, it is kinda bad over there. they like to steal cars.. a lot.. my cousin had his car stolen, from a "monitered" lot.. and burned..
then he got another one.. and it was stolen too.. people in britain? i dunno about them.. even though im a citizen of great britain, i dont think i would ever want to live there (and not just because the weather is crappy) my grandmother doesnt even have a doorknob on the outside of her house cos shes afraid of getting broken into. everyone is REALLY paranoid of crime, and they live in this little itty bitty town, i dont wanna THINK about what its like in the big city. i remember london is very dirty.. though that is partly due to the lack of wastepaper bins on the roads.
also in england, there is a lot of smoking and drinking. 1/4 of deaths of young men in that country are directly related to alcohol. so it isnt just the guns. i think there is something larger going on there. the people are restless and unhappy. from what i have seen, from being there, i think they just care less about their own personal safety and the safety of others around them. not all of them by any means but.. they drink such stupid amounts of alcohol.. and smoke so much.. and drive so stupidly fast on the motorways..
and i think that i have forgotten what my point was going to be, sorry about that.. basically, the england issue is more complicated than "gun control doesnt work" and its solution is ALSO waaaaaaaay more complex than to just legalize guns... i think maybe that was my point..

.. and totally off-topic, did you check out your IP address? it made me chuckle... ; )

gunjack>> : D : D : D!!!!!!!!! there was just a commercial on TV.. THIS HOUR HAS 22 MINUTES IS STARTING UP AGAIN!!!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!!!!! *does a dance* hehheheheh.. todays ep was good, too. a good black-and-white rant but no "talking to americans: college tour 2000" darn, huh?

in other news, i found the best channel on TV last night. its called CPAC, aka the parliament channel. i watched question period. now THAT is quality television. hehhehehehe... have i mentioned that i love politics? (yes, before you start laughing, canada has politics) if anyone wants the readers digest version, id be happy to oblige ; ) right now cpac only has the stinkin PROVINCIAL parliament on, stink, eh? I WANNA WATCH JEAN CRETIEN!!!!!.. and stockwell day.. ehehehhe...gotta love stockwell.. his whole party is fallin apart, poor guy hee hee.. (i dont agree with his politics at all.. can you tell>????)
oooooooooooo in provincial parliament theyre askin about the mikie harris conservatives and his cuts to the ministry of the environment.. which caused, you know, people to DIE from ecoli poisoning.. and he MUST have known.. stupid short sighted right wing politicians..
*looks at gunjack, raises an eyebrow and grins broadly* shall we?

lynati>> well if its gonna be august, you might have a better chance of meeting green baron.. vals ticket says hell be here on the 16th of this month and hes stayin (far as i know) for a week.. maybe a day or so longer than that, maybe not.. not sure)

josh>> "Hitler's downfall wasn't caused by an armed populace, it was caused by the United States BOMBING THE SH*T OUT OF HIM! " cocky, cocky americans. go explore some REAL history for a change. its the 57th d-day anniversary today.. excuse me while i go have a think about that..

love,
lain "dignity, safety and freedom from violence" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 02:40:18 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Wow, I don't quite think I've ever seen a largely Republican issue like gun ownership defended so strongly by many people who claim to be card-carrying liberals.

I neither have the time or the energy to really get into this right now, and a lot of people have said probably every thing I would have said. There is one important thing to remember, though, when spouting out figures and numbers in relation to gun-related deaths. The number of accidental deaths are small, the number of homicides are larger but still relatively small, but a large percentage of gun-related deaths are suicides. If someone tells you "10,000 people died last year from injuries suffered from a firearm", don't be surprised if you were to research that figure and discover that a good 4 or 5,000 of those deaths would have been suicides.

My bottom line take on the whole gun issue, seeing as I was the one who started the debate, is this: I don't own a gun. I don't have plans to own a gun anytime soon. But if you try and take away my right to own a gun, just because YOU don't think I should have one, than I will fight you tooth and nail.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 02:28:06 PM
IP: 66-44-61-136.s390.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Gun control - Sorry, but I don't believe the populace should be packing fully automatic guns. handguns, rifles are alright as long as they are not fully automatic.

I was/stil am flirting with the idea of requiring people to have a certain IQ level in order to vote. The only problems I have is the test being administered FARILY.

Raccoon - I saw one again 2 nights ago. They really look quite cute. Is there anything (besides being more carefull about leaving out cat food) I can do to discourage the raccoon from showing up?

Kittens - Once again, I am taming a litter of kittens except 2 of them seem especially scared of me.

1+1=-3

Just to make things interesting around here, what would Doug & Kit probably be talking about if they were here?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 02:21:26 PM
IP: max1-53.cwy.cei.net

Still in a Corbie kind of mood. Besides, the picture is just cooler than Rory's.

Anyway, I just stopped in to answer Valentine:

Valentine> Yeah, I was there for Dual, that other thing they played after it, and some videos. I wanted to stay for Trigun, but I was playing in the VLARP that night, so I had to leave to go find food and stuff.

I was wearing a white poet shirt and a black vest. I took off my skull mask in the Anime room since I need glasses to read the subtitles.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 02:10:14 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*Warpmind enters, smiling enigmatically.*
I've got some catching up to do, methinks...

Shinigami: Woman in charge of signing... beg pardon?

Josh: Really? Well, I can't claim any knowledge of local US geography...

Wilek: I, too, was a chief executioner... I wonder which of us were first...

Kyryn: It wasn't just bad, it was baa-aa-aa-aa-aad. };)

Gside: Guys like us know how to handle Gunjack's catgirls, huh? };) It's all about where ya scratch'em. (And I leave the rest unsaid...)

Lynati: I miss you too... for far too long now... *Nips lightly at neck*

Gun Control: Was saving this for last, as I have a special outlook on this subject, differing from most here. Norway, my home country, practices strict gun control. Sure, you can get firearms over the counter; shotguns at age 16, without any other requirements, but that's solely for hunting purposes'n'stuff. Now, that would be the LONG shotguns; hard to use those for illegal actions, as you can't hide'em anywhere. (And sawing them off is too risky for most.) Handguns and rifles are available for those who are either a) law enforcement officers, b) military forces, or c) members of handgun and/or rifle clubs. LONG-TERM ACTIVE members, that is. Now, then we get to how the REAL WORLD looks on the streets in the capital these days. Police officers bring their guns on patrol. In a locked box. In the locked trunk of the car. And the ammo stored in another locked box. Which, altogether, is better than before, when they needed specific orders to even be permitted to take their firearms out of the police station's safe... Gangmembers in Oslo have MP5/Navy submachineguns, as well as an assortment of handguns and other unsavory weapons. Rumors are they even have some LAWs available, but I'm not sure about that. So let's look at a potential situation here: Police officers discover gangmembers with MP5/Navys in the front seat. They decide that this calls for arming themselves, just in case. They leave the car, walk to the back, open the trunk, open the box with the guns, open the box with the ammo, take out guns and ammo, load guns, slam the trunk shut, and are ready. During the several minutes this doubtlessly takes, the gangmembers will have had the time to empty the first ammo clip in their SMGs, reload, and make a few extra holes just for the heck of it. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the result of gun control gone WAY too bad. There is no formal education as far as firearms are concerned, either, so accident statistics, as far as I know, is pretty damn high, as well. So, to any and all politically inclined in the US, I urge you, do NOT give up the Second Amendment, but teach your children, and your friends' children, and anyone else you can think of, about firearms; technologically-wise, and DEFINITELY ethically-wise, lest you wind up with a country crippled by a few heavily-armed thugs.

*Begins to breathe more slowly* I've had my say on the topic now...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 01:10:36 PM
IP: mp-217-204-172.daxnet.no

Gun Control> I'm not particular for or against gun control. But I do get rather rabid at hypocrisy. I'm not overly fond of people who chant to the 2nd amendment like it were scripture, but whine and moan when they have to income tax (never mind that that is also part of the Constitution 16th Amendment) Most can cite the 2nd or 1st or 5th, but don't remember how many amendments there are in the constitution.

My only issue with gun control is that rights include responsibilities. It doesn't seem to me that a waiting period or a background check infringes on the rights, but insure it goes to responsible hands. (As responsible as getting a driver's license)

I can see some of reasons for having a gun. It gives the owner a sense of control. Nothing says power like the abiity to project deadly force. but not for me.
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 11:57:09 AM
IP: cbl064.pool008.ch001-west-covina.dhcp.hs.earthlink.net

** Niamhgold enters for a quickie post, for the moment **

Josh Wurzel: Sounds good to me, about the artwork, that is :) What characters did you have in mind?

Adios!
Niamhgold
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 09:11:17 AM
IP: lac-flex166.ncia.net

oops, 2nd post.. sorry

I can't remember who was having trouble with the Jehovah Witnesses...
We were always being confronted with them at our home and no matter what we told them, they wouldn't accept NO for an answer. Telling them that you are of a different faith only encouraged them to try and "convert" you. So, we taught our german shepard "Jehovah Witness" instead of "sic'em" *snickers* worked every time ;)

Lynati> I think I made a typo and instead of putting Gunjack's name, I typed Warped's name... sorry for the misunderstanding. Ya'll have me confused anyway. O.o
Jannie
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 08:55:09 AM
IP: 12.110.236.143

Sexy Queer> "Today is the 20th anniversay is when the HIV virus was made public. Hope to everyone in the room that they lead a careful life and never get the virus."
Yes and I have recently heard several times on the news that the "younger generation" of homosexuals are contacting the AIDS virus at an alarming rate. They apparently are not aware of the dangers involved and the majority are stupid enough to believe that there are medications available now that will cure it. The reports said that this group of people do not remember the worst of the outbreaks and therefore are not taking heed. So, the cycle begins again. =\

Lain> "if you have a gun, how often do you REALLY think youre gonna need it?" That one time that I would REALLY need it, I'll be glad that I have it.

People don't go around like John Wayne with guns strappped around their waist. No one has a meeting at the OK Corral at high noon. To even carry a gun with you requires a special permit in most states. It is becoming a law in most of the states to have your guns registered - which is very expensive. I personally have a Smith and Wesson 357 handgun that I'm very proficient with - but it stays by my bedside, I don't carry it with me.

For those wanting to ban guns because you feel they are dangerous:
Number of physicians in the US 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year 120,000
Accidental deaths per physician 0.171
(source: US Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Number of gun owners in the US 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) 1500
Accidental deaths per gun owner 0.0000188
(source: US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms)

Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more deadly than gunowners.

Which one do we ban?

Jannie
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 08:40:37 AM
IP: 12.110.236.143

*Lynati Enters*
I'm posting from my dad's work; we're about to start the oh-so-fun 6-hour+ trek to CT.
...pointless information for the day:
with his new vest, which was designed for carrying fishing tackle, my dad has had upwards of 40 BIRDS in his pockets AT ONE TIME. ...isn't that just so cool? (...okay, well, maybe it's just a "being a daughter of a ornithologist" thing, then.)
...well, I DID say it was POINTLESS. ;)

lain: Thank you. :) Actually, I was kinda hoping to make my visit coincide with Val's, so I could meet him 'n all. I shouldn't plan to be spendin' more time with Warps until after we figure out if we can stand eachother's real life presences. Oh, and my cousin is getting married in Alberta on the...umm, I don't know which day. and while I know...your province...and Alberta ain't close, hey, if I'm already in Canada, I might as well go see my cousin, eh?
oh. August 12th. that's the day.
and Good Luck (TM) with the IM-ing.

Gunjack: come on. you know the rule. If you don't know, I can't tell you. *points to Jannie's post* Somebody tell me what lain's name is doing in the middle of that? and if HER's's there, shouldn't your name be there, Val?

Warps:*Hug* I'll be back in a couple weeks, just remember to breathe, mkay? ;) I'll miss ya. *goodbye nuzzle*

Gun stuff: would you rather have one and never need it, or not have one and then one day have need for one? Or maybe I should just wait until after that 'one day' and ask THEN.

okay, travel time. see ya's when I get back. the 17th, or thereabouts. Ciao.

*Exits*

Lynati Kshudra
Northward Bound
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 08:16:24 AM
IP: kendallb.er.usgs.gov

Ahhhh�. The things that will pull on old war horse like me out of semi-retirement and lurking.

First off, hello to everybody that remembers me, and if you do remember me you need to get out more... hehehehehe

Next up...

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel
Re: The firearms Debate

LOL.

Just because you feel that yourself and those around you are too incompetent to own a firearm that gives you the right to take mine from me? Who are you to judge me?
Whatever happened to individual rights and privileges in this country? You want to take MY rights (any of my rights not just firearms ownership) away from me just so you can *FEEL* safe? Because you don't trust anybody in the United States with a firearm except officials (police/military)? If you don't trust me, why should I trust you with my individual rights? You seem to want to give them away just so YOU can feel safe. However if I no longer have my rights, *I* will not feel safe. I wonder if you have ever considered that.

I would also not *HAVE* much of a fighting chance if faced with situation where my life or the life and safety of a loved one is jeopardized by another. With a firearm I *WOULD* have a much better chance. You can say that such an occurrence would be rare, and you would be right. However I can say that though rare statistically, such situations do happen several times everyday, and I would be right as well. You may be willing to take that chance, and that is your right. However do not infringe on my right to not take that chance.

If you say my fears are irrational, I can say the same of yours. Besides, what gives you the right to say my fears would be irrational? Oh wait, that would be the very same set of documents that you want completely changed. Just so you can feel safe.

That's really quite selfish and narrow minded of you.

It's also foolish of you to believe that the illusion of safety would somehow make the rest of the real world any safer either for yourself or others.

Anti-firearms camps used to like to point to Great Britain and their now long standing ban. "That country is one of the safest in the world for they intelligently outlawed guns!" Haven't heard that in quite awhile, have you? Know why? For over the past year, violent crime has been skyrocketing. London now (and for the greater part of a year) has a crime rate that makes New York City's *PAST* crime rate look like child's play. I'm not talking about kid stuff here either, I'm talking about car-jacking, home-invasion, muggings, etc... And because of the different individual rights laws there, if you even DEFEND yourself, a loved one, or your property you can and often DO wind up in even more trouble than the thief! The problem has gotten so bad that to combat it the government is considering doing away with the double-jeopardy laws and many others. And by many others I'm talking about the basic individual rights given to *COMMON* people (that would be both you Josh and me) that were first GIVEN under the Magna Carta. Yes, THE Magna Carta... the document that HEAVILY influenced the both the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights when they were being written. So if you want a sneak peak of where we are all headed if the anti-firearms minority get their way... And no England is not an isolated case, they're having quite a similar experience in Australia though not nearly quite as bad, yet.

I could go on for quite awhile touching on many other key points but I think I�ll end my little diatribe with this with what I think is a very interesting and recent case study in the annals of history. I think you, Josh will like this since it happened in your home state:

The Los Angeles riots; massive civil unrest, looting, beatings, and murders, police overwhelmed and for the most part powerless. The National Guard� actual military units had to be brought in to regain control, and restore basic law and order.

I found it funny that Charles Heston said in an interview just after the riots that he and all his friends with firearms had their phones ringing off their hooks by friends who did not (or were anti-gun activists) asking if they could borrow some of theirs or stay with them until after the riots were over.

I wonder out of all the firearms used by the rioters, how many were obtained legally. LOL

Tell me Josh because I�m curious: where were you when this was occurring? Did you feel safe? If you had lived in or close to the area this was happening would you have felt safe if hypothetically no one in the state of California except police and military had firearms? Yes they would still be rioting, and beating and stealing, and killing people. They just wouldn�t have firearms. Would you have felt safer if your father or mother had a firearm to protect you and them from harm at the time? I believe you�re intelligent enough to understand the implications of saying no to that question, so I dare you to say no and mean it.

Traveler
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 07:29:30 AM
IP: ny-hamburg1a-283.buf.adelphia.net

I have to stop staying up this late, even if I don't work until four p.m. Sorry about the length.

*Gun control debate*
You'll hear the 2nd amendment referred to as "America's first freedom" by many people on the gun-rights side of the argument. The reason for this is that it serves as a final check on the power of government. The Declaration of Independence states that when a government commits a long train of "Abuses and Usurpations" that threatens them with "absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government...." I don't mean to say that this justifies some nut in Montana refusing to pay his taxes, or follow other federal law. We're a long way from "absolute Despotism," and I very highly doubt we'll see it in our lifetime, though we are heading in that direction. When it does happen, through a coup, collaboration between all three branches of government, or the exectutive branch gaining power to the detriment of the other two (the most likely), we owe it to those people who have to face it the power to do something.

Also, if "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" can be dumped by the wayside because a relatively small number of people misuse it, it's not too far to say you don't have the right to not have your phone tapped because terrorists use the phone network to plan attacks. If you think that's hyperbole, you missed the FBI's (defeated) request to install hardware in the phone system allowing them to tap 5% of all calls at one time. They'd still need a warrant, but the possibility of abuse of such a system is to great to allow it to go forward, no matter what the benefits. If you can ignore one part of the Constitution, you can ignore the rest of it.

Josh>><<Okay so you're saying that its true that guns not in the hands of the population will reduce shootings?>> Yeah, if absolutely nobody had guns, nobody would get shot. However, this is based on the assumption that nobody will have guns, and no ban will ever achieve this goal. Criminals will always be able to find guns on the black market. Marijuana has been banned since the...thirty's?, someone correct me if I'm wrong...anyway, I don't think it's too hard to get weed, and getting illegal guns probably isn't terribly difficult, either. (I'll take contradictions on both these statements, since I personally haven't tried to get either.)
<> You make the statement that a lot of people you don't know can't be trusted with firearms on what basis? I don't get drunk or smoke dope, I strictly observe safety rules, children don't have access to my guns, and all of the people I shoot with are the same way. (or else I wouldn't shoot with them) Don't you think saying I can't be trusted to keep a firearm is a bit of a pretention when you have no information to base your statement on? Also, I have a match pistol that costs $1000 and a sport I enjoy, and don't plan on jeapordizing either one by committing some kind of felony.
<<you seem to be saying that since that vision is impossible, I should forget it and just learn to feel safe with people having guns?>> I'm not saying that you have to feel safe with it or like it, but criminals will *always* have access to guns, no matter what action Congress takes. I'm saying, basically, you have to minimize crime, and gun control won't do that. Criminals don't want their victims to be armed. That makes their job far more dangerous. The only people who will turn in their guns if a ban passes are the people who *won't* rob you. An unarmed criminal element is a utopian ideal, and it would be good to remember that utopia means "does not exist." An armed population is simply the lesser of the evils available.
<<How dare you. You call it ignorance because YOU don't approve of my reasons. THAT is ignorant. My reasons are very valid: I don't feel safe as long as the population is armed.>> I withdraw my the ignorance portion of my statement and apologize.
<<Take up archery. That's a target sport that requires a lot more skill>> I'd better not, then. I don't have enough funds or time in a week to become terribly good with my pistols, since a lot of the champion shooters shoot upwards of 40,000 rounds a year, and practice for several hours every single day. Maybe a sport that requires even more practice wouldn't be a good idea. *sighs* It's tough to say that even rifle or pistol is more difficult, since they are totally different animals, and require several different techniques. I'm trying archery next semester, but I doubt I'll take it up instead, since the only reason I would have to do so is because many people fear a *God-given right.* Maybe it is a lot more difficult, but that still doesn't justify my having to change.
<<Are you saying that Hitler was wrong in that quote? Because he wasn't. Hitler's downfall wasn't caused by an armed populace, it was caused by the United States BOMBING THE SH*T OUT OF HIM!>>To answer the question, no, to answer the statement, I agree with you.
<<You'll notice that his unarmed populace DID NOT REVOLT.>>Exactly. Unarmed revolutions generally don't last too long. The unarmed populace knew this.
<<So Hitler was dead right>>Not necessarily. He was saying that an armed populace might have been able to resist the Nazi opression in the future and regained their freedom. He was careful enough with the information about what was really going on in the concentration camps and ghettos that, even had the Jews not given up their guns earlier and therefore been armed when the Schutzstaffel came, it's possible that they would have gone quietly instead of engaging in armed resistance. We'll never know, although I don't think it's likely they would have gone _too_ quietly. My point with the quote is that it would have given them the *option* of fighting back.
The other two were just to support my argument (not very well stated in my first post) that banning guns won't get them out of the hands of criminals.
<<<<to carry it around? loaded?>>: Is illegal in this country.>> Depends on the state you're in. It's illegal to carry CONCEALED in all but one state without a permit. In several states, Virginia and Maine come to mind off the top of my head, and I think Michigan is the same way, you can carry a loaded gun holstered, as long as it isn't concealed. You'll be run in for disturbing the peace, since doing that would cause a ruckus, but the actual act of carrying the gun isn't illegal.
<<<>: Probably because you don't have a penis>> I wish more women would understand guns. It's a damn shame we can't get more of them into competitive pistol, since they are generally much better starting out, in my opinion. They actually listen to what you tell them, instead of the guys going to the line and shooting, realizing that they suck, *then* asking for help.
<<Your seatbelt, however, will not kill anyone else, or you, or your child.>> Actually, it can. An improperly worn seatbelt, especially on a child, can cause severe injury. If the shoulder strap doesn't run in the right place it can put stress on points that don't take stress very well. Since shoulder belts are designed for adults, this can be a problem for youngsters. People have been crippled by a lap belt alone (like the one in the middle seat), which is why there actually are shoulder belts in the first place.

lain>><<if you have a gun, how often do you REALLY think youre gonna need it?>> Never, I hope.
<<but to carry it around? loaded?>> Concealed carry definately isn't for everyone. I have considered applying when I turn 21, but I have to decide if I want that kind of responsibility.
<> This describes my passion for firearms. I don't collect because I expect the "gov-ern-ment" to come up the road any day or a burglar to come in tonight, self-defense is just a fringe benefit. I actually like shooting. It's a fun sport that requires a lot of hand-eye coordination and stability, practice, has a great culture (Shooters I've never met before have given me .45 ammo, loaned me a gun when the one I had malfunctioned, and are always willing to give tips or check technique), and there is nothing quite as satisfying as feeling the trigger break on my Springfield Trophy Match just as the sights align on the target.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
---Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 04:54:36 AM
IP: mqt2-pm3-46.dial.up.net

I really SHOULD get into this whole gun debate, but I'm a little too busy biulding mecha. After seeing so much giant robot combat recently, Jeff and I have been cranking out the gunsuits faster than ever. My latest creation is a little darling called the "Grizzly". It's primary weapon is a 200mm "Snub" recoiless railgun that fires a 150 lb HE shell out to 9,500 yards or so. Damage is 2,250d (9dx250), with 12d extra from fragments. For those of you not familiar with the GURPS system, that's enough damage to chop a fair-sized skyscraper in half. JOY!

Replies!

Kryryn><<My apologies for missing you.>> Really, it's my fault. The night before the Con, I meant to write down the directions for how to find you, but I decided my memory could handle it. And I didn't think I even got a chance to sign back on for the whole con. Anyway, I'll catch up with ye next time, eh? <<Oh, and we (guest relations) took Mr. Takahashi shooting on Monday. He loves Glocks and he's a darn good shot.>> *yoink* ...Say WHAT!? You took guests shooting? GAAAAAH!!! We could have helped! Jeff had a Mossberg 500 in the trunk of his car the whole con! Dratdratdratdratdrat!! : P ...Oh well, better luck next time... <<Is that you by any chance?>> Not even close, I'm afraid... I a) didn't have a suitcoat, b) DID have a briefcase with me ALL con, and c) am not oriental(?). I did get a few pics of myself wielding Collin's M4, though... maybe I'll get Lain to post 'em once I get them developed, eh?
<<The bit with the gun was priceless!>> Huh? What's this? I missed the Cosplay, dangit!

David G.><<Dangit, we were in the same anime room once, and we managed to miss each other.>> Which one? Dual? <<Since I'm a poor boy, that list is very short.>> Same here, but I'm not totally satisfied with the manga available. I know it's a bit of a cliche, but I really just wanna write my own... : P

Gside><<That's to be given to something else. Daniel Johnson knows.>> Can we know too, or is it classified? <<But the problem lies with getting the girl to the point of proposing.>> Laddie, there's something a bit off with yer outlook... <<Quite interesting, too.>> GRGGGHHHHK!!! Y-y-you have Jubei-chan!? O.O ...Um, when my computer can actually download and view the files, I don't supose you could be convinced to... *makes several obscure hand gestures* ...? <<Some freaky stuff.>> Freaky stuff? o.O
And have you seen the origional Ninja Scroll yet? *chuckles* ...Too much hentai for me, but GREAT action. Plus, the Jubei Ninja Cuisinart...
<<Do you think that would really stop me?>> Uh, I was referring to MY catgirls, not the normal anime kind... <<So that's where you put the bomb.>> Usually, I strap the bomb either to my chest, or to the hostage's back. The suitcase is where you carry the takedown CyberAUG. <<The bomb he swallowed.>> FYI, I've only used bombs in a job ONCE. I'm a GUNjack, not a BOMBjack! Sheesh!

Lain><<that and the occasional 3-4am calls i get from gunjack.. i was half expecting one LAST night, actually.>> I was going to call you, but I decided you needed the sleep more. <<but i just dont UNDERSTAND guns, to be honest.>> The world can be a dangerous place. That isn't paranoia; it's realism. There are always people who are willing to hurt people to get what they want, ne'? And when they try to hurt YOU, don't you have a right to defend yourself? <<<<up here there is really (that i can see) NO NEED for guns.>> Really? You've never been in a situation where the mere presence of a gun would have saved trouble? Ever? o.O <<my only question is: if you have a gun, how often do you REALLY think youre gonna need it?>> How many confrontational crimes occur every year? Any one of them can be resolved by the victim's posession of a weapon and the will to use it.
<> Why? Crime is a universal problem. When criminals attack a civilian, the only person he can depend on for defense is himself. The police can't protect him; they're strictly reactionary, and can't do anything to help until AFTER the crime. If he doesn't want to become a victim, he'll have to do something HIMSELF. With a handgun, some good training, and the willingness to actually USE his weapon, he has an excellent chance of surviving. Without those three, his fate is in the hands of the attacker.
Whoever has weapons has the means to control a situation. Personally, I want the ones in control to be the GOOD guys.

A question to the anti-gunners in the room: In your opinion, is the majority of our population honest, or criminal?

Lynati><<Do you ever get the feeling that someone is watching you, but every time you turn around there is nothing there but the clown bed?>> The... clown bed? o.O ..I, uh, don't have a CLUE what you're talking about. Care to explain?

And in closing, I'd like to mention a new hentai subcategory that we uncovered while reading appleseed and watching Dominion Tank Police (no, that last one has NOTHING to do with leather and whips... ; P). Ever heard of mechaphillia? o.O

Oops, Lain posted again... Aaaw, messenger trouble, still? THAT'S no good... : ( ...We'll figure something out, alright? *boobytraps the door with a smart hugbomb for when she comes back*

Alright, NOW I'm outa here! More when I can!
Gunjack "You WISH you were this good!" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 03:40:36 AM
IP: ac845cc7.ipt.aol.com

*enters, with steam coming out of ears*
gah.. i give up

how long have i been trying to download that program? when was my last post??????

and i finally get the damned thing and the file is "corrupted" how frustrated am i? oh.. im frustrated..

aint you all glad im a pacefist and i dont own a gun???? well.. maybe imzy isnt, seeing as how id probably be going on a microsoft rampage.. in fact, imzy might GET me the gun, hmm...

gah, oh well.. life could be worse, no?
im going to bed for now, try again tomorrow

love,
lain "the best way to predict the future is to invent it" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 03:07:00 AM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Oh Goody! An honest-to-goodness debate!!! ****Begins Salivating***

Here goes- As to a seatbelt not killing anyone- Not usually, but it can. I've seen the scars they can leave in an accident. Yes, a permanant scar is preferable to death, but that wasn't the arguement.

Irresponsible people with guns- There are irresponsible people with cars, too. Should we outlaw motor vehicles? Look at the people who do 90 mph on the highway, and then, in a moment of bad luck, innatention, whatever, kill people. An old lady at our church was killed driving home from the hospital by a man who, from forensic analysis of the rubber trail left by his breaking tires was doing nearly 100 miles per hour. Many more people are killed in automobile accidents than by those who LEGALLY carry firearms. And I think just than those killed by firearms at all, though I'd have to check the statistics again.

Fact of the matter is, though, none of this is what the second ammendment is about. The "Founding Fathers" fully expected us to have to overthrow another dictator/monarch/whatever and so they felt we should be able to own weapons to that end. It was not for a "militia" it was for Treason and Rebellion. Remember, these were people who had put their lives, fortunes, and reputations on the line, they felt we should be able to have any weapon we could lay our hands on, be that a gun, a knife, or a pitchfork.

For anyone to tell me that my owning a gun (I don't, by the way, though I'm thinking about it. Not very seriously, but thinking all the same) is wrong is to fly in the face of exactly what our country is about. Part of our freedom is the fact that the Government knows that if they hack us off enough, and we all organize, we can take on what is an increadibly small army for the number of citizens. I get to own a gun, not because I might need it to defend myself against my neighbor (though now, that's more likeyly than the actual reason) but because I might need it to defend myself against the Government.
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 02:56:18 AM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Hi all!

Ooh, gotta jump in on the gun debate : )
I'm about as liberal as you can get for the most part. I am also a member of the U of M rifle team. I believe that everyone should have the chance to own a firearm, as long as they can prove that they know how to safely and responsibly use it. If you aren't capable of that then you shouldn't be in posession of a potentially deadly weapon. There are quite a few people I know that I would not want to get their hands on a gun, a few relatives included.

Anyway, its late and I've got work tomorrow, maybe I'll add another post before I go in the morning.

G'night all!

Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Wednesday, June 6, 2001 01:16:19 AM
IP: dialup-63.212.147.87.dial1.detroit1.level3.net

Today is the 20th anniversay is when the HIV virus was made public. Hope to everyone in the room that they lead a careful life and never get the virus.
Sexy Queer - [craft_celtic@yahoo.com]
Ohio
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 11:58:33 PM
IP: chil-vdsl-nrp-1.bright.net

Josh: <<You may not believe this, but if the only guns in the world were in the hands of the military (i.e. police, too, were armed with non-lethal ordinance), then there would be less shootings.>> You may be surprized to learn that alot of famous historical figures would agree with you; Ho Chi Mingh, Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, and [shudder] Rosie O'Donnell to name a few.
<<I'm so surprised that an act WRITTEN in 1934 (which means it was probably passed years later) had no effect on violence that occured the decade and a half BEFORE it was writen!>> The National Firearms Act was PASSED in '34
<<Is that supposed to be a justification for why the population should have automatic weapons?>> The point was that guns are ammoral. The can do good or bad. It's up to the individual how to use them. If someone were to attack me, I would certainly want to be the one with the gun.

I own an AK-47. Do you trust me with it? Do you think *my* rights are insignificant and should be compromised because of the acts of a few? Am I being selfish? Do you think *I* should give up my property so *you* can have a false sense of security? Would you want to try breaking into my house? At the moment of truth, what stops an assailant faster: 911 or a 7.62mm round? Hmmm? ;)

Let me tell you something, buddy; around here, the only times that 911 gets called is either when an abulance is needed to pick up the wounded burglar, or when some elderly person accidently calls them for information instead of 411. : )

OH, I'M SOOOOOO NAUGHTY!!!! AH, HA, HA, HAAA!! :)

SJ: I'm with you on the recent Gathering cancellations. I'm glad I didn't spend my money on, as far as I'm concerned, an overpriced hotel and travel fair, not to mention set at a inconvenient time. I would of loved to have most most of the actors who cancelled, especially Bridgett Bako...

Whoops! Sorry. My mind was on somthing else. Ahem. Hopefully next year she- THEY will attend and that I'll be there as well.

Would It be possible to have a Gathering in Omaha? It's not as enourmous city as New york or LA, but that could be a good thing. There are still a old of things to do, and hotel fare would be more resonable. Besides all the Gatherings so far have either been in coastal areas or just north of Mexico. I think the Midwest deserves a shot!
Tim
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 11:10:20 PM
IP: s22-onawa.pionet.net

aaaah yes, i am on my very own internet connection in my very own little apartment, isnt that sweet?
maybe we should just.. gloss over the fact that my connection is SLOWER THAN THE SECOND COMING!!!!! jesus h christ on a &*^#%^&%#& pogo stick (and other profanities.. at length..)

and WHY did we get the extra 9 gigabytes on this computer, o great and wise father? so that i could download and listen to music?
not bloody likely.. itll take me THREE FREAKIN DAYS to download a song.. sheesh..

sorry gunjack, i WAS gonna download MSN IM and save you the phone charges but.. seeing as it takes an hour and fourteen minutes to download.. and you know.. i have 40 hours a month (due to my fathers brilliant plan) that would just about take up ALL my time and i figure it would probably be better to disconnect and wait for your call.
maybe ill reconnect afterwards and sometime in the next millennium, i might have MSN downloaded.

gah...
lain "forget this $h!t" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 11:06:10 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Lynati> <<Exits to go catch up on webcomics>>: A noble endeavor. Not the best endeavor, through. That's to be given to something else. Daniel Johnson knows.

Niamhgold> <<there are no Catholic churches where I live>>: Heh. New Hampshire. With negative population density.
<>: They came back, but are currently busy.
<<Ah, second week of Art History>>: Ah, a class I don't have to take.
<<the happiest and most realistic marriages occur with engineers>>: But the problem lies with getting the girl to the point of proposing.

DPH> <<My brother asked me when I play on burning my 1st CD to see how it works>>: Ah, memories. My first attempt was a failed try at the entirety of Ranma season 1. The next time worked. Of course I microwaved the first one.

Imzadi> <<Which can sometimes lead to being wanted in more...hentai ways>>: Not with my luck.
<<has what to do with what I said?>>: Absolutely nothing. It was meant to be in refernce to the relativity thing, but I didin't press c hard enough and pasted the same thing twice.
<<we just don't spend much of it wanted>>: Heck yeah.
<<their children will have high paying jobs long before losing their virginity>>: Or there could just be some random mutation from two biology majors.
<<And the problem with that is..>>: The gothicness. Unless it's being applied to cathedrals.

Wilek> <<find out who you were in a past life>>: A snake oil selling Gypsy cross-dresser with a passion for moo-cows and a hatred of all things human. I died broke and alone with a milk mustache and a smile of your face.

Gunjack> <<the knowledge that someone made a kid's version of "Ninja Scroll" called "Jubei-Chan" (or some such) was... EXTREMELY DISTURBING>>: Quite interesting, too. Plump plum, bouncy bouncy, bon bons. I've got all 13 on CDs. Some freaky stuff.
<<*points to SJ, Gside, Warps, and Imzy* ...Not a word, or I unleash the catgirls>>: Do you think that would really stop me? Especially if they are wild catgirls, and have not had behavior modifications.

Quick little ditty for the new mp3, Mercedes Benz by Janis Joplin.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 10:53:54 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

And for a view from the other side.

I'm a liberal... a member of the Democratic Party. And even I am planning to join the NRA. I believe strongly in the second amendment.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 10:17:13 PM
IP: dialin-1376-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

A few quick posts.....

Accents: people say that I have a southern accent... *shrugs* I don't think so, I just think that everyone else sounds funny ;) If you want to hear an absolutely DREAMY accent... *points to Denis* BELGIAN FRENCH! *swoons*

NRA: *holds up membership card* Yeppers, I too am a proud member of the NRA. It's my American right to own a gun and I support the organization that is instrumental in keeping this right for me.

I survived the dreadful trip to the Oklahoma and Kansas panhandle area. geesh, how I hate that area. It's been many years since I've taken the route from Missouri to across the northern edge of Oklahoma... it was interesting watching the landscape change... it became flatter and flatter and most noticable was the height of the trees. They are much shorter there.

I did see something funny, though. While traveling down the highway I noticed a dog next to the road. He was standing about 8" from the white right line taking a whiz on a weed! Cars passing him going 75+ mph and here's this dog with his package catching the breeze! *L* Now, this dog has confidence and balls. oops, can I say balls in here? *censor check*
Heh, I admire that dog *nods*

*looks at Warped, Lain and Lynati* *scratches head* ummm ohhhkayyyy

Coyote> thanks! *hugs* I'll call the airlines and confirm =)

Medical news: I'm having to go to the doctor tomorrow =\ I didn't want to even go near a doctor before the Gathering! My blood pressure won't come down, despite medication. It's averaging around 190/110. *sais*

Time to go unpack so that I can repack for my next trip... to Oklahoma City (mom's family reunion). I got roped into taking her. I will be visiting the Murrah Memorial though... should be interesting to see - as well as emotional.
Jannie
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 10:14:58 PM
IP: 12.110.236.85

Okay, I have much to say and less time to say it in.

Only worked half a day today, spend the afternoon visiting my high school, saying hi to some friends and old teachers. It was nice seeing everyone...but it looks like everyone is getting older, and I'm really not cool with that. That means I'm getting older. And frankly, that isn't too exciting to me.

Tonight I will hopefully get together with my friends and supplement my PSL file.

Oh, hey, I've recently become in possession of an extra ticket to gathering. So if anyone knows anyone in the LA area who wants to go, I'd be more than happy to make them the "Guest of Josh Wurzel" for the low fee of $40 (i.e. because its now $60!). Price can be negotiated. E-mail me or bother me on AOL (oakleyposterboy) for details.

Beth H: <<Who else in here is named Beth?>>: Me. Sorry. I've been lying the whole time.

Wilek: <<I'm not dead, kiddies>>: I don't belive you. Not without a post that verifies your personality, proving that you are not me with white text. <<Tests>>: Here are the results:

Are you a vampire?: Although you're exhibiting a few preliminary symptoms of the walking dead disease, don't change your name to Vlad just yet. At this point, you're simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up.

Are you a serial killer?: That's it? Are you serious? At this time, a murderous assault by you would be about the same as being ravaged by a dead sheep. You need to watch more 'nightly news' to enhance your bloodthirsty transgression.

Are you really adopted?: Since you believe that none of these statements apply to you, it's highly unlikely that you are adopted. However, that may be because your folks just never got around to doing the paperwork.

Are you going to hell? (as if I didn't already know): If you don't yet own any asbestos gloves, now would be a good time to put a pair on layaway, you may need them in the near future. In the meantime, practice standing around for extended periods of time. You won't be able to sit down much where you're going.

Are you possessed?: Since you believe that none of these statements apply to you, it's very likely you splash way too much fake butter on your movie theater popcorn, have chapped lips, and wear a hairless rabbit's foot around your neck. However, you are not possessed.

How fat is your butt? (for the record, I weigh 115 and I'm 5'8): Your butt is so fat, you should install shock absorbers on your toilet seat.

When are you going to die? (never!): You're about as close to dying as dentures are to getting cavities, but don't give up all hope. If you take enough of these Caverns Of Blood evaluation tests, you'll probably die of insanity within the next few minutes.

Who were you in a past life?: Based on the answers you have provided, it has been determined that in a past life you liked to fondle tiny dead bird bodies and had quite an aptitude for dementia. We can't reveal the name you went by, but suffice it to say that your parents had to pay a license fee just to say it out loud.

right....

Anyway, on to the replies!

Yooper: <<often painted as exteremists>>: I didn't say most of them are gonna kill someone. But as SJ said, most NRA members are way right-wing republicans. I'm more of a moderate republican, and as such, I don't get along well with many NRA members. That's why I said "stay over there". Believe me, being shot by an NRA member is NOT on my list of fears. <>: And therein lies our conflict. I don't trust ANYONE with a firearm, and that includes myself (and I was a riflery counselor at camp, so I know all about responsible use of guns). <<That doesn't mean that either situation will *ever* happen>>: Okay so you're saying that its true that guns not in the hands of the population will reduce shootings? Also, you seem to be saying that since that vision is impossible, I should forget it and just learn to feel safe with people having guns?! Sorry, but my mind doesn't work that way. <<for no other reason that I can discern than ignorance>>: How dare you. You call it ignorance because YOU don't approve of my reasons. THAT is ignorant. My reasons are very valid: I don't feel safe as long as the population is armed. I never will. Therefore, in my mind, the population shouldn't have guns. There is nothing ignorant about that position. I don't have any problems with target shooting for competition, I've done it myself a few times. The problem with it is that it requires the population to have guns. THAT I don't like. If banning guns makes your sport illegal, then as far as I'm concerned that's too fscking bad. Take up archery. That's a target sport that requires a lot more skill. <<Quotes>>: These quotes prove nothing but a lack of ability to think for yourself, especially that Hitler one. Are you saying that Hitler was wrong in that quote? Because he wasn't. Hitler's downfall wasn't caused by an armed populace, it was caused by the United States BOMBING THE SH*T OUT OF HIM! You'll notice that his unarmed populace DID NOT REVOLT. So Hitler was dead right. History absolutely DOES teach that lesson. Smart guy...horribly misguided, but undeniably brilliant (and I'm a jew).

DPH: <<IE>>: Sorry that happened to you. As much as I hate PC's and Windows, I find IE to be far more reliable and easy to use than netscape. On the mac, of course, the position is reversed. <>: Me too. <<$0.10/hr>>: That's not much... <<what kind of vehicle would best suit my personality?>>: A civic.

Lain: <<stop by on the way up>>: I'm sure you know as well as I do that London is not on the way from Texas to NY. <<WHOSE STUPID IDEA WAS *THAT*?!>>: Gunjack's fault. <>: Probably because you don't have a penis. <<up here there is really (that i can see) NO NEED for guns>>: Same here. <<to carry it around? loaded?>>: Is illegal in this country. <<USE a gun as a means of defence>>: And to think that in school we are taught to talk out our differences. <<the crown prince shot them all and the shot himself>>: Unfortunately, he didn't quite finish the job and he's in a coma, last I heard. If he wakes up, he's king.

Gunjack: <<Not a word, or I unleash the catgirls>>: Promise?

David G: <<I've only ever needed my seatbelt twice>>: Your seatbelt, however, will not kill anyone else, or you, or your child. <<people who don't want to be hurt need access to ways to defend themselves>>: I think people who own guns become trigger happy and are far more likely to accidentally shoot someone else than a stranger. If my parents had a gun, i can't tell you how many times I would have been almost shot because I walk in at odd hours of the night.

Foxstar: I don't think TGS accepts commissions. But I see you're in LA...would you like a ticket to the Gathering convention for $20 off?

Dude, straws. Real men shouldn't be sucking on things.
-Rocky Teruya

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 10:07:48 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-86.nhwd02.pacbell.net

I've read all the eps of seaon one of Gargoyles and Timedancer. I've also read part of the stories of season two of Gargoyles and timedancer plus seaon one of Pendragon. I LOVE them. You've definatly captured the feel and flow of the series. DANSK! Disney should've kept the series going and hired you guys as the writers.

But enough of the ego stroking (well deserved as it is). I was wondering on what guidelines I should follow about summiting either stories or characters that I've created?
Foxstar - [Foxstar@juno.com]
Los Angeles, California, USA
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 05:09:01 PM
IP: nrthrg-public.lapl.org

****Kyryn wearily walks into the CR.****

Oh, man! A-kon got unofficially dubbed the "Fan Fitness Con," and they were right to do so! I feel like I racked up about 20 miles this weekend. Of course, as a staffer, I was on the run a lot more than the average congoer. My apologies to those who missed meeting me. I spent most of A-kon either in Con-Ops or on the run fixing things behind the scenes so that the congoers could enjoy the con.

Ok, since Spike mentioned the monkey puns.......the theme this year was "bring your own monkey" in honor of 2001. Various staffers were carrying around small monkeys. Guest relations decided to take it a step further and we made t-shirts that said "Hey, your monkey is on my monolith! Hey, your monolith is on my monkey!" on the front. The back read "What is this? Evolution? Rhesus monkey cups!" We also had an idea for one that would have read "We don't need no stinkin' monkeys!" on the front, and "It's my monolith and I can evolve if I want to!" on the back.

Robby and Aaron> It was great running into you on Sunday. BTW, I finally got hold of a tape of the cosplay and got to see your skit.....funny as all get out! The bit with the gun was priceless!

Gunjack> My apologies for missing you. I ran by Infodesk just after you had left it for Con-Ops on Sunday. Robby, Aaron, and I pelted up the stairs and found that Con-Ops had sent you back downstairs. We went down the elevator and looked for you, but didn't manage to find you. Fanboy found me later and let me know that you had to leave. Maybe we can get together later on in the year at Animefest or arrange a meeting sometime in the DFW area. I'll give ya an email later! Oh, and we (guest relations) took Mr. Takahashi shooting on Monday. He loves Glocks and he's a darn good shot. BTW, check the link on my name. Is that you by any chance?

Warpmind><Naturally, I use steel wool, from the finest stainless war merinos in the world... };)> That one was baaaaaad!

Stephen Sobotka><A-KON GOERS - Have a good time there, and post some pices! I want proof that Aaron and Robby are two people! ^_^ (just kidding!) > Actually, we were contemplating doing just that, but I couldn't get to my camera at the time I actually managed to get the two of them together!

<(or just use this url if the name link thing doesn't work) to see a picture of Azreal at A-Kon. He's the one on the top right in the platemail brestplate.>Ok, now I at least know what Azrael looks like. I think that I've talked to him before at some previous A-kons.

Alan> See above for why I managed to miss several people. Hmmmm. Elaine must not have been at infodesk when you asked about me. She's a good friend and would have known immediately who you were talking about. I'm sorry to hear that some of the staff were rude. If you can remember any specific incidents, would you please email me privately. That info can be important to pass on to our staff heads for future reference when we choose next year's staff.

Beth H.> My actual name is Beth and I go by that at conventions.

Later, All! I've got to get back to work and recovering from the con.

****Kyryn disappears.****

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 04:34:13 PM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Lain> (on gun control) I don't really want to get into this. I don't carry a gun myself, and I don't really plan to start, but I can kind of understand those who want to. Most rational people hope to go their whole lives without ever firing a handgun any time other than at the gun range. The thing is, if you ever DO need a gun, you *REALLY* need it. If someone is trying to hurt you now, the fact that they weren't trying to hurt you any number of times in the past is pretty irrelevant.

I've only ever needed my seatbelt twice, and then not very much, but I always wear it.

The arguments of people who support gun control are based on the idea that people who are going to hurt others will find a way to do it no matter what the laws are, and that people who don't want to be hurt need access to ways to defend themselves.

I kinda gotta agree.

David G.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 04:05:51 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*Is tackled off his feet by Lain*

Whoa! Why, hello there, darlin'! ; )
<<for the good news, i propose a compromise.. you sleep in MY bed..................>> Nice dramatic pause ya got there. *points to SJ, Gside, Warps, and Imzy* ...Not a word, or I unleash the catgirls.
<<...and ill sleep somewhere else..>> Maaaaaybe... Tell ya what; I'll call ya tonight and we'll sort it out, eh? : )
Gunjack "Funky Fedora'd Funmiester" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 02:58:08 PM
IP: ac87c884.ipt.aol.com

GUNJACK!!!!!
*POUNCE!!!!!!!!!!!!*
heh hehheheheh... well.. THAT was fun.. ; )
oh and you, (yes you overly mangaified animearific texan gun-totin wierdo, im talkin to you..) i have some bad news and some good news. for the bad news, i dont have a place for you to sleep. for the good news, i propose a compromise.. you sleep in MY bed.................. and ill sleep somewhere else..
hows that? okay.. so the house i can sleep at is about a 20 minute bike ride away but hey.. if thats what it takes to get your bum up here, ill do it!!

lynati>> certain texans with bus tickets? heh heheh.. well hes goin to a camp in new york this summer and he decided we decided it would be a GREAT idea if he could.. er.. well you know.. stop by on the way up.. ; )
after the gathering, warpmind was gonna come see me for a week or so too and.. just in case you were wondering, you are officially invited to accompany him if that is possible : D

ye flame war? ye bad.. *scans* well.. i dont see one yet.. *smiles and shrugs*

in other news, ive officially decided not to get out of bed until warpmind gives me my daily morning phonecall. seeing as how he usually calls at around 8am, that isnt such a big deal. now i sleep with the phone next to the bed though, just in case he calls and i dont hear.. that and the occasional 3-4am calls i get from gunjack.. i was half expecting one LAST night, actually. i called after i got home from class but noone was home.

and you know what else? i have been getting REALLY frustrated at work cos i keep typing the SKUs into the register wrong and have to keep going back and fixing it. you know why?? i just figured it out.. take a look at the key pad on the right of your computer keyboard.. then take a look at your phone..
WHOSE STUPID IDEA WAS *THAT*?!?!
youd think the geniuses at the computer and phone companies could.. you know.. get half a clue and make them match.. so every time i dont LOOK AT the key pad when i type in the SKUs i type in phone numbers. how dumb is THAT? gah..

and about gun control.. well i have this debate rather a lot with gunjack.. since im a pacefist (who does karate and will be starting in the army in the fall and has visions of delicious security clearence someday???) and hes.. well... not just an ORDINARY jack.. but i just dont UNDERSTAND guns, to be honest. this may have something to do with my being a canadian and the total number of gun crimes committed in new york making up.. you know.. maybe the same number as happen in our COUNTRY in a year but.. up here there is really (that i can see) NO NEED for guns.
but of course, thats here, and youre there.
ive never lived there so i cant really comment on what YOUR needs are.
my only question is: if you have a gun, how often do you REALLY think youre gonna need it? i mean, if you LIKE guns, thats one thing, sure lots of people collect swords and knives and various other weaponry, but to carry it around? loaded?
i think there must be something SERIOUSLY wrong with a society in which people feel they NEED TO CARRY and think they WILL MOST LIKELY USE a gun as a means of defence..
yikes..

speaking of weapons>> israel and the palestinians *FRUSTRATION!!!!!*
these guys make me so frustrated that i want to cry.

oh, and nepals royal family is dead, did you hear? apparently the crown prince shot them all and the shot himself, though the public doesnt think thats what happened. *sigh*

love you anyways, the computer is gonna kick me off,
lain "hey wait, canada has PROVINCES!!!!" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 02:35:58 PM
IP: 198.96.83.50

Imzadi - Internet Explorer (on my PC) did want to visit websites occasionally. I would enter Enter after typing the URL in the right place and nothing would happen. Sorry, but I refuse to use a web browser that has problems surfin' the net.

I miss Doug & Kit posting in here. 2 weeks until it has been 4 months that I have been working as an employee not as a temp. The promised raise ($0.10/hr) that is supposed to come after your review after being there 3 months has not arrived. If I don't get my review or retro check for money owed by July, I will ask what the deal is. If you check my first raise is small, another ($0.15/hr) raise comes after being there 6 months. I believe after this week I will have $1000 available (1/2 the amount) for downpayment on a car. I repeat my question, since you guys knkow me, what kind of vehicle would best suit my personality?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 02:32:38 PM
IP: max1-40.cwy.cei.net

That's good, because I was quite certain I was going to have to verbally separate your head from your neck ;-)

As it is, I will still formulate a response to your points when I get some time, mostly just so I can see this room get all flame-war-like about something as insignificant and personal as gun control (I'm sorry, but there are as many opinions on this issue as there are people, and there's no way to appease everyone all the time).
Josh
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 01:39:15 PM
IP: adsl-63-194-25-242.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Sorry about the double post, accidentally hit the Enter key and submitted.

Josh>>Sorry about the tone of my last post. I didn't intend for it to be a rant, and didn't realize it was until I read it today. I really don't think your comment was that big a deal, but once I gained momentum, it got difficult to shut down.
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 01:07:50 PM
IP: mqt2-pm3-34.dial.up.net

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Yooper - [jwprusi]
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 01:05:35 PM
IP: mqt2-pm3-34.dial.up.net

Valentine> Dangit, we were in the same anime room once, and we managed to miss each other.

Dual is kinda cool, though, isn't it. After this con it's on my list of things to buy. Since I'm a poor boy, that list is very short.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 08:34:23 AM
IP: adsl-65-65-211-148.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Delurks to comment...

Josh>><<Cool! Now do me a huge favor and stay...over there>> I'm sorry trying to be an @$$ about this, but I'd rather not hear comments like that, even in jest. People who join the NRA are often painted (*without* jest) as extremists who are a ten-cent cab ride from walking into a school and shooting kids at random, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Well, I'm sure there are a couple of psychos here and there, but probably not in much greater proportion than the population as a whole. Quite frankly, as an NRA member, I'm sick of hearing it. As a matter of fact, the NRA members I know I trust far more with firearms than others.

I'd guess (uninformed) that there are two reasons, or combination therof, that most people join the NRA:
1. The NRA is the most widely-recognized governing body for firearms competitions in the U.S., and membership (while not necessary for most tournaments) makes keeping track of your scores and rankings easier. Yes, Virginia, the NRA is not all about lobbying. Long before they were a serious force on Capitol Hill, the National Rifle Ass'n was setting and adjucating rules for competition, teaching firearms safety, and marksmanship. They are one of the organizations that sponsors the National Matches at Camp Perry, OH, and they actually run the matches.
2. 2nd Amendment rights. I don't think I have to elaborate much on this one.

<<You may not believe this, but if the only guns in the world were in the hands of the military (i.e. police, too, were armed with non-lethal ordinance), then there would be less shootings.>>You may not believe this, but if all cocaine was in the hands of doctors (it's used as a local anesthetic, after all) there would be far less OD's. That doesn't mean that either situation will *ever* happen, no matter how many laws you pass. Since we can discard having guns just in the hands of the military or the police as completely unrealistic, we have to find the solution that will result in the least amount of crime, and that ain't gun control laws.

Speaking for me personally, constitutional issues aside, it gets a little annoying when people try to make the sport I'm in illegal, for no other reason that I can discern than ignorance. Even if gun control actually did decrease crime, and I didn't shoot competitive pistol, however, I'd be against gun control:

"Expecting a carjacker or rapist or drug pusher to care that his possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."
-- Joseph T. Chew, "Usenet posting in talk.politics.guns"

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so." -- Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Tischegesprache Im Fuhrerhauptquartier 1941-1942. [Hitler's Table-Talk at the Fuhrer's Headquarters 1941-1942], Dr. Henry Picker, ed. (Athenaum-Verlag, Bonn, 1951)

"Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You will pull the trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins." -- Former Mafia hit man turned informant Sammy "the Bull" Gravano
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 02:45:12 AM
IP: mqt2-pm3-47.dial.up.net

Ah, Akon... That spring of colorful wondrosity in a dry desert of life! That marvelous phantasmagoria of color, wit, and high-powered weaponry! That stupendous outporing of all things anime in the space of a mere three days! So what if our shoulders creaked and our feet hurt! So we went without food, without sleep, and occasionally without good seats! So what if the dealer's room consumed every cent we owned! So I spent all of saturday night and sunday in soaking wet underwear! It was FUN, dangit, and I WANT MORE!!!

*ahem*

If you didn't make it to the convention, I pity you.

So, where to begin? We dragged ourselves off the hardwood floor friday morning, clambored into the car, and headed out into the heart of downtown Dallas. After a quick breakfast at Jack in the Box (anyone else eat there every meal of the con, or was it just us?), we hit the convention for three days of non-stop partying bliss.
Unfortunately, we hadn't preregistered. And neither had approximately 90% of the OTHER convention-goers. A small bit of wisdom; lines only get longer when you're carrying ten pounds of GURPS and important papers in a suitcase.
After spending nearly an hour in line, we aquired our nifty laminated passes, and headed out into a brave new world of animation. What to try first? The dealer's room? The art show (that, through some odd confluence of the stars, we DIDN'T ENTER THE ENTIRE CON?!), or the KAOS room, perhaps? Heck no! The screening rooms, of course! Sure, none of us had even heard of half the serieses, but fortified by the knowledge that Anything Japanese Is Good (with the exception of the tentacle hentai, which was restricted to saturday night), we lucked out.
As mentioned above, I had never heard of "Hyper Police". I'd never heard of "Dual", either. I HAD heard of Trigun, but didn't know anything more about it. I do now. Over the course of those three days, we managed to watch a grand total of 24 hours of giant robots, flashes of light, and unusually large... *ahem* ...guns.
But I digress. Hyper Police was our first Akon experience, and it really set the tone for the weekend. Comedy, catgirls, and just enough volence to keep things interesting. Dual was next, and while it a) has a shocking habit of using nearly every Anime cliche ever cooked up, and b) included a character that resembled the love-child of Mario and Adolf Hitler, I still enjoyed it thoroughly. One small hiccup occured when Ben and Jeff began insisting that D's hair was actually bright blond rather than a very light shade of green. Which is totally rediculous, right? right..? o.O
After that, we hit the dealer's room. My joy was somewhat limited by the possession of a mere $25, but the endless racks of manga and videos helped sooth my aching wallet. If you can't buy em, and least read a few pages, eh? The Trigun artbook was nice (and helped solidify my refusal to miss ANY of that series), the Blue Sub 6 artbook was nice, and the knowledge that someone made a kid's version of "Ninja Scroll" called "Jubei-Chan" (or some such) was... EXTREMELY DISTURBING.
But I still want he-IT. Even if her eyepatch IS heart-shaped. : P
And then, things get less distinct for a while. I know we nailed some trigun (episodes 4-6, specifically), but then things start getting hazy. We sat around in the pool room reading my shiny new Hellboy book, worked on GURPS stuff, discused weapons with Collin (the heavily armed Softair player you may have seen wandering around the Con on friday), and then headed over to the KAOS room for a little Quake 3. Regardless of what Ben may say, I fragged his his hiney HARD! Third overall, bayBEE!!! **Ben> you also a pathetic loser for spending irreplacable days, no weeks of your life getting good enough to do that. Besides, you cannot leap small fences can you!! Huh.... HUH! Yeah didn't think so. The prosecution rests.**
Baskayaro. Yer just jealous cause I wingshot you out of the air with that DB shotgun. NYAAAAH!
Ignore the man behind the curtian, folks...

Where was I? By the time we finished messing around on the third floor, it was 2 AM. We were going to hang around for Silent Moebius, but decided that sleep was a more pressing commodity than anime we'd never heard of. Back to the house for we.
Friday, we hauled ourselves out of bed, stomped our way outside to turn on the #%&*@! water, grabbed quit showers and changed our clothes, and then went back for more. If we'd known how long it would be before we embraced sweet slumber, we might have been a little less hasty to get on our way. But that would have involved missing Hyper Police, so screw sleep! Grab yer shoes, scarf down a quick burger, and get back to the Catgirls!!
I don't remember much of Saturday, except that it was our big Anime day. Of course, in the magical world of Akon, that's like designating next tuesday as your "Big Breathing Day". All I can say is that, by 7 pm, we'd hit all three theaters at least once, we'd learned that Dragonball wasn't nearly as innocent as we had imagined ("whaddya say we head inside and learn about our species!"), and I had aquired a deep desire kill but the title character from "Nadia: Secret of Blue Water". I know have a deep, abiding hatred for small French boys. Oh, and don't screw with Mithril bullets. those things are downright WICKED. :D
After enough Anime to crisp our brains to a delicate texture not WHOLLEY unlike burnt bacon, we
lounged around the hotels, gathering our resolve and putting the finishing touches to our GURPS game. We also discovered that strangers STILL estimate my age to be in the late twenties. This amuses me to no end, though I still wish I could actually take ADVANTAGE of it somehow.
Apparently, it wasn't just the gamers at the Gathering. EVERYONE I rabn into at the con thought I was well on my way to the big 30.
By the time we finally made it back upstairs to the pool, the Party there was in full swing. I'm not much of one for parties, but the pool itself held a deep primordial calling for me. For some reason, I had a nearly irresistable urge to go jump in, suit, tie and all. Of course, my two Amigos held me back from such an irrati0onal action, right? Right?
Jeff: "I'll pay you ten dollars if you let me throw you in!"
If any of you were at the pool party, you saw all three of us. Ben was the one wearing a tie with a raggedy T-shirt and shorts. Jeff was the really big guy with the Evil Suit slung over his shoulders like a sack of potatoes. I was the Suit.
Socks and underwear can take more than a day to dry completely.
After my brief bit of air/sea travel, we went back into the lounge to get down to roleplaying. Unfortunately, that was about the time that the cops showed up to shut down the party. Bummer, dude... So hence to the abandoned tables outside the dealer's room, where we finally got down to gaming. Things were going fine, when...
"What time is it?"
"Oh, 5:30..."
"WHAAAAAAA?!?"
Time moves fast when you're having fun. Everything after that is a bit of a blur. Back to the screening rooms for Silent Mobius and Hyper Police! Off to Church! Back for the dealer's room and Trigun! But sadly, our weak bodies began to fail us. Jeff began snoozing during the Cain scene, and Ben dissapeared. We found him in the hallway, face-down on the floor, passed out from exhaustion. I was going to throw HIM in the pool, but he "woke up" (actually, he was still asleep, but he actully sat up and responded. Coulda fooled me... o.O). Fanboy informed me that Kryryn was looking for me just as we were heading home, so I trudged my way up to Con Ops to check for her... Sadly, we apparently missed each other. And after 36 straight hours, there wasn't any time to wait around. Home we went, hitting the sack at 8 sunday night. Fifteen hours of sleep NEVER felt so good.

So that was Akon. I didn't get to meet any of ya, more's the puity, but I'll do that next year. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised if mosta ya SAW me, if not met me. I know I saw Asreal (didn't realize it till I saw his pic, though), but I don't think Robby or Aaron crossed our paths. Next time, Laddies!

***Total Haul***
Val - Hellboy: Seeds of Destruction, Trigun, Vol 1 (dubbed, dangit!)
Jeff - Ninja Scroll, Dominion Vol 2, Appleseed 1,3, and 4, Gunsmith Cats "Kidnapped" issues 1-4.
Ben - Vol 2 of Tenchi, Last Vol of Dual, plus other random odds and ends.

Postscript: Why is it that the second Appleseed book has no nudity, but the first and third do? And why is it that my dad HAD to pick up the first one as he was perusing our catch? Gyah, but I hate parental disapproval... ; P

In any case, it was a splendid weekend. UI hope to see y'all next time, eh? We'll be much easier to find; Ben will be dressed as Vash, I'll be dressed as Val (complete with silenced Berretta), and Jeff... We'll we're still trying to convince him that Briarios is the way to go...
See ya next time!

*Heads out to scan the Akon pics to see if he was accidentally caught on film*
Gunjack "Bearing Up under The Curse Of My Own Overpowering Machismo" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 01:16:21 AM
IP: ac901d63.ipt.aol.com

Beth H.> I am. My real name is, anyway.
Infinity
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 01:11:44 AM
IP: nltc4-238.nltc.net

I'm not dead, kiddies. I am however so far behind that I won't be able to continue catching up until the archive is updated, and it's my own stupid fault. O_o

In lighter news, click my name to find out who you were in a past life. I was chief executioner for the Tower Of London. Well that explains my fetish for black hoods, bloodstained metal, and gothic architecture.
Wilek
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 01:03:03 AM
IP: anon-ascella.proxy.anonymizer.com

Who else in here is named Beth?
Beth H.
Tuesday, June 5, 2001 12:32:44 AM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Heather: <<sell drugs and be gothic>>: And the problem with that is...?
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Monday, June 4, 2001 11:46:06 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-80.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Alan: About the Rocky Horror thing, you must of have fun but all of that noise and everything was right across the hall to my room, 668. My mom thought her hears someone say "Hey Big Daddy, why aren't you here yet? I need to have my 'stuff'."

She thinks that these conventions are just a way to get groups of people together to sell drugs and be gothic.
Heather - [Kheetor84@aol.com]
Monday, June 4, 2001 11:02:40 PM
IP: ac826903.ipt.aol.com

Well I'm back from A-kon. This was my first real convention, and I had a blast. I roomed with Robby and Aaron and other people that I didn't know, which was interesting. I actually drove up with some other friends of mine, but they had to stay with one of their grandfather's place as a stipulation for going, so I had to go get them each morning. It wasn't that much of a problem, and we had fun.

Thursday night was interesting. We got in Dallas around 10:00 and I got to the hotels around 11:00 PM. Aaron told me we were at the Westin, *grins* but of course, as per my luck, there was no one by that name at the Westin. So after a troubling time actually getting to the Sheration (despite it being less that 100 yeards away, I somehow found myself back on the freeway) I finally got to my room at around midnight, just in time to go with Robby, Aaron, and their friend Jonathan (I think was his name) to Denny's and enjoyed a round of slow service and rude waitressing. Most of the people I encountered who were on staff were extremely rude, as well.

Friday I got up to go get my friends (Evan and Robert) at around 6:30. The first day I bought seven DVDs. We hung out in the game room (once it opened), and various other activities. I met Jason Carter and Richard Biggs, as well.

Saturday I bought some more stuff and sat in on a lot of panels. I watched a panel with various voice actors, which was interesting. I also met Heather, though just in passing, on Saturday. Also, Beth, I think I saw you for a brief moment, but either I was in a hurry or you were in a hurry and it wasn't a good time for us to chat. Not knowning what department you were working in, none of the people at the info desk could help me find where you were. Christi, I didn't even know you were there, or I would have stopped by. We also sat through the studios' panels. My friend Evan won Eva Collection 4 and Outlaw Star Volume 1 from some of the trivia questions.

Sunday was somewhat uneventful. Jeffery Wilith (the guy inside the Kosh suit on Bab5) was signing autographs, and no one was at his both. We actually just chit chated for about 25 minutes. He was an extremelly nice guy. He asked if I wanted him to sign anything, but I didn't have anything even remotely B5 related (besides a cup I got which got left in the room) and I didn't want to buy a headshot. He said something like, "I wouldn't want to buy one of my headshots, either." I got two of my Slayers DVDs signed by Lisa Ortiz (Lina) and Crispin Freeman (Zelgadis) and Evan got his Evangelion Unit 02 signed by Tiffany Grant (Asuka). She was really nice also, and talked with both of us for a few minutes.

All together, I got what I set out to get, plus alot more. Cowboy Bebop Sessions 3-6, Farscape Vol. 2-4, the first season of Slayers, the first volume of Trigun, a Spike Spiegul figure (which ended up in Aaron's hands because I left it in the room), and a Zell (from Final Fantasy 8) keychain.

I had a blast all together. Going to see Rocky Horror in a small hotel room with about 50+ other people goes on my moments to remember list.

Again, my apologies to Beth and Cristi for not getting to meet up with either of you guys. Maybe next year, perhaps. I wish I was going to the Gathering. I will be there in 2002 for sure, though...
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Monday, June 4, 2001 10:45:18 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

Well, I have survived another A-kon, and will have a real post when I'm caught up, along with a trip summary. And I'll call you tonight, my love.

Props to CSH, Alan, Kyryn, and Skippy, who I saw at the kon, and apologies to Gunjack, who Kyryn and I were making a concerted effort to find, only to be told that he left a few minutes before.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, June 4, 2001 09:37:24 PM
IP: dialup-64.154.230.18.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net

<delurks briefly>

Hi. I need advice from the gamers in the room. Anybody know how to beat the queen at the end of the Marine segment of Aliens vs. Predator? I've hitting her with grenades, blowing up missiles, and emptying my pulse rifle into her but she keeps coming. It's getting soooo frustrating. Any hints? Suggestions? <adopts a pleading look>

<returns to lurk until further notice>
Infinity
Monday, June 4, 2001 09:27:32 PM
IP: 205.139.171.210

Another boring day at work.

Good news: My mom has an appointment with a headhunter in a couple days. Hopefully this means she will have a job soon. Other good news: My mother has discovered that she hates AOL and PC's with a passion, after having used one for exactly 2 days. "Everything is just so much easier on a mac" she says...and she's functionally technologically illiterate.

Tim: <<the society ceases to be just>>: You may not believe this, but if the only guns in the world were in the hands of the military (i.e. police, too, were armed with non-lethal ordinance), then there would be less shootings. That doesn't mean there'd necessarily be less violent crime, it just means that fewer people would die from it. <<did nothing to reduce the violence that occurred during the 20's & 30's>>: Gee. I'm so surprised that an act WRITTEN in 1934 (which means it was probably passed years later) had no effect on violence that occured the decade and a half BEFORE it was writen! Sheesh. <<including two Browning Automatic Rifles>>: I'm sorry. Is that supposed to be a justification for why the population should have automatic weapons? Because if so, it fails miserably. <<the poor animal winds up dead>>: My point, my friend, was that many gun advocates argue that they need bigger and badder weapons for hunting. I can hunt with a .22 rifle and be very happy. And if they were skilled woodsmen, so could they. I don't give a rat's patoot about the animal.

DPH: <<Weren't people confused about the two of you early?>>: Yes. Hopefully it doesn't become an epidemic.

Gside: <<Take a couple physics courses and build it yourself>>: More than a couple would be required. <<usually involving work>>: Which can sometimes lead to being wanted in more...hentai ways. <<And leaving the premeses>>: Only CompE's, most of whom haven't figured out how to bathe yet. <<The time at which an event happens>>: ...has what to do with what I said? <<intended to fit a stomach>>: Still too big. <<the skin off from the cow>>: excellent point.

Shadowrider: <<where are Kit and Doug?>>: Last I heard they were dealing with house repairs and were too busy to come post. <<SERIOUS try, isn't it?>>: Come on! You teamed up with Hitler! That counts as a serious try to me.

Lynati: <<count me in>>: Two. <<8:30 PM the night of the 21rst>>: Look for the green Jeep Grand Cherokee with the green bumper sticker that says "GEEK INSIDE" and another bumper sticker of the Decepticon logo (cuz I'm more than meets the eye). <<Do you ever get the feeling that someone is watching you>>: Oh, sorry. ::Walks to other side of CR:: <<I"M NOT THAT KIND OF LYNATI, D@##!T !>>: And if I believe that, you have oceanfront property in Kansas to sell me, right?

Warpmind: <<you have nothing to fear from me at G'01>>: See the last thing I said to Lynati. <<my plane reaches LAX at 20:44>>: And LAX is 1.5 hours from the Con Hotel, whereas Burbank is 10 minutes. So she'll be waiting.

Naimhgold: <<mother likes you>>: Its both a compliment and weirding out thing. Not that older women don't have their advantages...but...no. <<my rates are pretty cheap>>: No comment. <<What'd the others charge?>>: Some of my artwork was jacked without permission (though I always give credit where credit is due), some was used with permission, and one person (who rocks the house!) drew several characters just for me...and none of them charged me a dime. I am willing to pay per character...though not too much...I, too, am a starving college student. <<Don't let yourself believe that engineers have no life>>: Who said that? I don't think we have no life...we just don't spend much of it wanted. Gside can vouch for that. <<the happiest and most realistic marriages occur with engineers>>: That's no surprise. Most engineers are honest, loyal, dependable, have high paying jobs, and provide genetic material that ensures that their children will have high paying jobs long before losing their virginity. I, on the other hand, am a lying, cheating bastard with a high paying job and my friends have decided that if I ever breed I'll spawn the anti-christ... ;-) Besides, marriage isn't on my to do list at all, and therefore has nothing to do with being wanted. Marriage is a decision borne of many things besides physical desire.

DPH: <<NS questions>>: NS sucks. That's why they call it nutscrape. I'd recommend Opera, Omniweb, or iCab for your browsing needs. Actually, on the PC...IE is really the way to go.

Crzy: <<Sign up now!>>: And pigs might fly outta my butt.

FS: <<saying I am still alive!>>: Without a real post and your usual wit, how can we be sure?

Gunjack: <<The Love Child of Mario and Hitler>>: I don't wanna know, dude.

Ignorance is bliss...to the ignorant! To me, its just plain annoying.
-Mr. Floppy, "Unhappily Ever After"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Monday, June 4, 2001 08:18:21 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-80.nhwd02.pacbell.net

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Gunjack "The Love Child of Mario and Hitler"
Monday, June 4, 2001 05:00:55 PM
IP: ac941cbf.ipt.aol.com

Warpmind: You're this anxious already now, twoo weeks before The Gathering? Gee, now I'm having second (and third, and fourth) thoughts here... };) Just kidding. };)

Heh, seems like the woman in chage for getting certain papers signed has such misgivings.. but screw y'all. I just want my Poonumaniewookiebearcuddlykins.

And he looks damn hot in that pic...

*misses her Poonumaniewookiebearcuddlykins*

Shinigami
Monday, June 4, 2001 04:32:52 PM
IP: ac92ea0a.ipt.aol.com

Just check my IP address and saying I am still alive!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Monday, June 4, 2001 03:22:32 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

Hello all. No time no see... :)

Well, how long has it been? A year? Well coming on with Spike's post with the A-kon cosplay...
I got to see Robby... I was surprised that nobody saw me.. After Robby, Aaron, and Robby's friend Jonathon left the stage I jumped up and walked across with them.

Anyway, I left a day early but I should h ave my own pictures up from the con soon... God it was good to see Robby finally. I'll leave it at that. *winks, grinning evily*
Heather - [Kheetor84@aol.com]
Monday, June 4, 2001 02:51:52 PM
IP: ac9d7a6c.ipt.aol.com

Quick post from work:

Crzy: Somehow, I just don't think it will be the same.

Naimhgold: Dreamie was free. Uh, that is, er, I mean...she didn't charge me...um, well, er...the artwork that I borrowed from Dreamie for my project was royalty-free. There we go, that's what I wanted to say!

Laters
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Monday, June 4, 2001 02:13:23 PM
IP: adsl-63-194-25-242.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

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Josh
Monday, June 4, 2001 02:11:01 PM
IP: adsl-63-194-25-242.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net

Final passage for this time, people...I think I'll be here again next weekend, though.

Niamhgold:> Good to see you before leaving. About my brother, here there is not the use to take new names at the Confirmation, so he kept his one. About your website, well, compliments were well deserved. I particularily loved the picture of the Weird Sisters. About Kit and Doug, well, they actually posted a goodbye, but then they changed their mind (for my relief), and that is why I was asking aout them...they're not supposed to have left the Room. Oh, well, I have no time to investigate now. See you next time, my friend! :)

And goodbye to everyone too. Stay well and enjoy life!

<waves and exits>
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Monday, June 4, 2001 01:59:07 PM
IP: h217-166-181.mi2.albacom.net

Josh - I hear that Patrick will be available for lap dances right after the banquet. Sign up now! >:)
CrzyDemona
Monday, June 4, 2001 01:43:34 PM
IP: 1cust245.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

ok, this is a long overdue question, but I have to ask it: ok, with NS 3.0, certain websites would autoload images (because of Javascript coding). With NS 4.7, those websites don't autoload the images. On NS 3.0, mail.com remembered which email address I logged in last, with NS 4.7, it doesn't. I don't quite understand why.

Sheesh, I have to start remowing the yard again because my dad put a new engine on his old riding mower. Something comes to mind but not putting new wine in old sheepskins. (1000 cybercookies for anyone who can figure the reference, cause it's a tough one).

1+1=-3

BTW, this is something interesting. My brother asked me when I play on burning my 1st CD to see how it works.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, June 4, 2001 01:36:21 PM
IP: max1-19.cwy.cei.net

** Niamhgold enters again **

Hi everybody! Well, things are quiet here on the homefront...another slow, slow day :)

Shadowrider: Hey! ** Huggles ** So, what name did your brother take? I never actually went through with my Confirmation, simply because there are no Catholic churches where I live (my mom's always been disappointed about that). Thanks for your comments about my website ** blushes ** :) Ack, you guys were chatting last night, and I missed it? Damn Ben and Jerry's ice-cream run! ;) As for Kit and Doug: I don't know if I'm right about this or not, 'cause there was a time when I couldn't get to the room that often, but I think they've stopped posting here...I think I remember seeing a goodbye as written by Doug. If that's the case, I think he said that everyone is still open to e-mail them at their addresses (which I, unfortunately, know not).

Gside: <"he is a man among eunichs"> Ah, second week of Art History...

Josh Wurzel: Ugh, seven hours of sleep...I feel for you. <mother likes you> So...would you take it as a compliment, or do you feel weirded out by it in an American Beauty sort of way? ;) <artwork> ** Blushes ** Thank you for your nice comments (and I'm glad you're able to get onto the site now, even though it looks kinda shabby 'cuz of construction); as for commissions, my rates are pretty cheap...especially for an icon project :) What'd the others charge? <...Far cry from the rest of my life as an engineer> Don't let yourself believe that engineers have no life...in actuality, the happiest and most realistic marriages occur with engineers (or, at least for the entirity of my dad's side of the family). :)

Adios for now, everyone!
Niamhgold
Monday, June 4, 2001 12:54:18 PM
IP: lac-flex187.ncia.net

*Warpmind enters, looking blissful.*
Hey, all... just saw a beauty today; perhaps the most magnificent man-made device in the world... a Brough Superior SS100. I want one. Too bad it's so hard to find a working bike of that brand these days... after all, it's about 70 years old... *Sigh*

Lynati: YOU'RE BACK!!! :D :D :D :D As far as the "};)"s are concerned, I'm just feeding the gossipmongers here, beloved... I can assure you, you have nothing to fear from me at G'01. And by the way, I'm not sure if you getting your own room then is possible any longer... wasn't the deadline for ordering rooms in May? (And besides, I'm expecting to sleep on the planes, so if I - as unlikely as it may be - get even drowsy at night, I can easily take the chair I'm expecting the room to have.) And about being there an hour before me... unlikely. If you're at Burbank at 20:30, you won't be far ahead of me to the hotel - my plane reaches LAX at 20:44, according to schedule. *Smiles happily in the face of glarification.* As for feeling amped, I'm sure we can work something out. Just log on to MSN, hmmm? ;)

That's it. Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, June 4, 2001 12:53:49 PM
IP: mp-217-209-139.daxnet.no

*Lynati enters*

Heyla, all; I've been in VA for the past nine days, hence why I haven't been around...originally I was only going to stay for three, and planned to post from my aunt's computer; too bad I wasn't aware that there little phone connecty was lost in the move, ands that the jack in the room the computer was set up in didn't actually attach to a power supply. The last night there I managed to get online, wrote up this glorious (semi-literate, whatever) post...only to have the computer tell me I wasn't allowed to submit. *makes loud gleck-ing sounds*

anyway, I'm back now, well, until wednesday morning, and then I leave for an itty-bitty island off the coast of CT to help with the research. (in my case, namely finding and hanging onto the Tern chicks until they can be weighed; I'm going up too early this year to get to magic-marker the color-band codes onto the wings of the fledglings this year.) I'll be back in two weeks; during which I'll have no computer access whatsoever. H%((, the island doesn't even have running water.

warps: *hug* lemme reply to people before I start glaring at you.

Imzadi: <garg pillow fights> *raises hand sheepishly* I've actually already GOT one of those...heh heh heh. <RHPS convention> count me in.
Oh, and I have my plane schedules all set up; I'll email you with the rest of the daetails later, but my arrival time at Burbank is 8:30 PM the night of the 21rst.

lain: food! yaay! and my sympathies with the cost of art supplies; I know the feeling. Oh, and If I may ask, what is up with certain Texans buying tickets...?

Gunjack "I want to be the girl with the most cake" Valentine: Do you ever get the feeling that someone is watching you, but every time you turn around there is nothing there but the clown bed?

Revel: Thanks. I know.

Warps, and anyone else using "};)" 's or other such things in relation to the rooming situation: *eyebrow ticks* *glare glare glare* (need I remind you?)...I"M NOT THAT KIND OF LYNATI, D@##!T !! *much glarification* oh, and Warpmind- point: as I'm arriving an hour before you, and that room is only in your name that first night, I'd pretty much HAVE to be waiting in the lobby. Actually, I think I'm just going to look into getting my own room that night. and no, amped ain't exactly how I'm feeling.

mm. all for now.
*Exits to go catch up on webcomics*
Lynati Kshudra
Monday, June 4, 2001 11:49:03 AM
IP: 207.226.219.112

*Warpmind enters, muttering something about a sore on the inside of his chin...*
Howdy, gang.

Tim: Telling JWs that you're a Jew isn't foolproof. Saying you're an EX-member, however... they'll never come within visual range of your house again. };)

SJ: If you want big guns, I might be able to dig up a cannon for you... however, I can't guarantee its quality, as I meant digging up in the *literal* sense... }:) (As for the railgun, I'm pondering building one for myself... if I do that, I'm sure I could build one for you, too...)

Beth: Oooh, can't wait. :)

Mara: You're this anxious already now, twoo weeks before The Gathering? Gee, now I'm having second (and third, and fourth) thoughts here... };) Just kidding. };)

Well, that about sums it up... later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, June 4, 2001 11:10:34 AM
IP: mp-217-201-5.daxnet.no

*bounds in, tackling the picture of her Aaron*

PET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *snifs photo* no.. wait... is not smeldeded....

*paces around like a caged animal*

Shinigami - [<--the one with the hot boyfriend]
Monday, June 4, 2001 10:20:27 AM
IP: ac880a04.ipt.aol.com

Click my name (or just use this url if the name link thing doesn't work) to see a picture of Azreal at A-Kon. He's the one on the top right in the platemail brestplate.

http://www.fansview.com/2001/akon/ak01c.html

Nobody seems to have posted a picture of the dashingly handsome guy dressed as Death, though... :P

David G.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, June 4, 2001 09:28:26 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Oh, well, here again. Yesterday my little bro had his Confirmation, with related party/family gathering. Nice...but a bit stressful. Anyway, that's the reason for which I couldn't post yesterday...

Hey, where are Kit and Doug? Seems like a century or so I don't see them...

Spacebabie:> I'm OK, thanks for asking. :)

Niamhgold:> Ack! We missed you last night. Oh, well...got a look at your website. Very very cool! Well, that you are a extremely skilled artist is not exactly a surprise...

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel:> <<Another European country that tried to conquer the world within 10 years of being reunited.>> Well, actually we let pass some more years before trying...and, anyway, won't you really consider ours a SERIOUS try, isn't it?

Later.

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Monday, June 4, 2001 05:17:18 AM
IP: h217-168-106.mi2.albacom.net

Tim> <<then they automatically consider me damned and not bother coming back again>>: I say they'd work harder to try to convert you then.

Sev Jr.> <<Anyone know where I can buy a rail gun on the cheap?>>: Take a couple physics courses and build it yourself.

Imzadi> <<its nice to think I'm wanted...a far cry from the rest of my life as an engineer>>: Well, as engineers, we're wanted in other ways, usually involving work. And leaving the premeses.
<<its nice to think I'm wanted...a far cry from the rest of my life as an engineer>>: The time at which an event happens depends entirely on your frame of reference.
<<Mr. Minaturization of Weapons wasn't good enough to fit it into a palm pilot>>: Well, it was originally intended to fit a stomach.
<<real KNIGHTS where plate>>: Better. And for some odd reason, I am remined of a comment about Monet I recently heard: "He is a man among eunichs."
<<What does a schwa sound like phoenetically?>>: It is the most neutral vowel (and is represented by that upside down e). Essentially, uh. Making it omuhguh.
<<Your wallet has an anus?>>: You never know where they took the skin off from the cow.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, June 4, 2001 12:26:59 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Sorry about confusing SJ and Imzadi [Weren't people confused about the two of you early?]. I usually surf the 'net with autoload images feature OFF and you two both post in the same color and I bet when I was looking it up SJ posted right before Imzadi.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, June 3, 2001 10:55:23 PM
IP: max1-67.cwy.cei.net

Josh: <> Banning firearms isn't going to stop people from committing crimes as long as their are disterbed people and as long as there is money to be made through illegitimate means. It will only lead to the confiscation of property of law abiding people due to the crime of others. When a society punishes the just because of the acts of a few, the society ceases to be just.

Despite it's portrayal as a period of lawlessness, the Great Depression was one of the most violent crime free eras in American history. Remember that when Alcatraz was opened as a Federal Prison, its maximum capacity was only a few hundred prisoners - a fraction of todays average state prison! Whatever violent crime that did occur was between competing bootleggers and sometime law enforcement officers who interferred with their operations. Infamous criminals such as "Machinegun" Kelly, Ma Barker, and Bonnie and Clive Barrow gang people stood out not because they where particulary ruthless or violent, but because they were relatively rare. Or as in the Case of Al "Scareface" Capone, because he had such an illustrius lifstyle.

The National Firearms Act of 1934, which prohibited the sale or ownership of fully atomatic weapons in the general public, did nothing to reduce the violence that occurred during the 20's & 30's. It wasn't until the prohibition of alcohol was lifted and organized crime had no cash cow. The general public who had grown tired of the corruption of bought off police and officials, elect reform-minded officials. New technology such as two-way radios allowed faster response times to crime scenes.

And as far as Bonnie and Clive, they were ambushed by a posse of several law enforcement officers and civilians armed with an assortment of weapons - including two Browning Automatic Rifles.

<<and people shooting at deer with assault rifles. >> I don't like hunting myself, but weither they use a muzzle loader or an "assualt rifle," the poor animal winds up dead.

I'll be back.
Tim
Sunday, June 3, 2001 09:16:49 PM
IP: 207.177.117.10

::Stretches and snarls::

YAWN.

Ugh, only 7 hours of sleep on a weekend after Rocky because some friends of the family were having a brunch after their daughter's bat mitzvah. I think the mom has a crush on me because she really went out of her way to invite me ("Don't forget, Debra (my mom), bring Josh with you...") and when I got there she gave me a big hug even though I've only known her for a week (actually, I've only met her once, for a dinner party at our house). She's not bad looking, but come on...she's 40-something! Okay, I'm obviously reading way too much into this. But still, its nice to think I'm wanted...a far cry from the rest of my life as an engineer ;-)

Stephen: Nice to see you decided not to go away. Did you still decide to stop writing? <<she-b@!ch of a co-worker>>: Don't let her get to you. Use the fact that she's a b*tch to entertain yourself by annoying the sh*t out of her.

Winterwolf: <<but I warned them>>: Its so hard to explain to people why they need low-bandwidth sites. I know this from personal experience. <<I'm may have won a billion dollars>>: To quote Bruce Wayne: "That's nice". <<Maybe they saw SJ's posts>>: Or mine. Or Aaron's. Or Shinigami's. <>: No, we blame Gunjack for these things now. <<Netscape and IE on the PC>>: Actually, her site is now working fine for me too...I think my DNS servers were just being dumb that day (days?). Works fine in iCab! <<agree with Imzadi>>: Whoa! I never said she was the cutest thing I've ever seen! I live in LA, remember?

Lain, Lynati, Greg X, Doug, Kit: Damn...I really wanted to read Sirtis my fic, too...

Shadowrider: <<55th anniversary of the Republic>>: Another European country that tried to conquer the world within 10 years of being reunited.

Spacebabie: <<a Mime is a wonderful thing to waste>>: I'm sure SJ the new NRA member would love to waste a few mimes.

Taleweaver: <<physics>>: Well said. If only relativity could be explained as clearly as angular mechanics.

FS: <<stores 42KW of power>>: Uh...yeah...it takes 42 kW of work to get it to spin at that speed, however. <<many people can't do basic math>>: Not many people in here...I hope.

Jaden: <<just blew up the box instead of checking>>: Gotta love the military. Shoot first, f*ck the questions.

DPH: <<package>>: That was meant for me, not SJ. And yes, you're absolutely right. I accept your terms...I don't get back to school for 2.5 months, though.

Naimhgold: I saw your site...your artwork is incredible! You and Dreamie can sit around all day and pat each other's backs about being the better artist, but you are both amazing in your own style. That drawing of the Weird Sisters...WOW! How much do you charge for commissions? I'd love one of those for my icon project! <<

Gside: <<So that's where you put the bomb>>: Mr. Minaturization of Weapons wasn't good enough to fit it into a palm pilot. <<If only for the Python line>>: I hear tracts of land are cheap this time of year. <<Real men wear robes>>: This is true. Maybe I should have said real KNIGHTS where plate. <<Pronounced with two schwas>>: What does a schwa sound like phoenetically?

Warpmind: <<How can ya knit a plate?>>: I saw someone knit a biscuit once. <<a removeable disk D: is improbable>>: Not from major computer manufacturers here in the states. Most of them include a zip drive on desktop machines. And they futz with windows settings before the box leaves the factory. <>: Again, I will point to the fact that you do not know many people here in the states. Things here are very different, apparently. CD-ROM drives used to be D originally, then they were E when hard drives got bigger than 2GIG but windows couldn't support HD's bigger than 2GIG so they had to be partitioned (CDROM often became E or F)...my zip drive on my PC was Z for obvious reasons (yes, I set it that way). <<Puns are the worst kinds of jokes to translate>>: Absolutely right. My bad. I forgot it was a pun.

CrzyDemona: <<we will be viewing Rocky Horror in the video room one night>>: Not quite the same, for obvious reasons. I'm talking about the show with a live cast. <<sorry to burst yer bubble there, Josh>>: But if she was only gonna be there for two hours, when was she gonna find time to give me a lapdance? ;-)

Tim: <<it's the Jehova Witnesses>>: MAN THE TURRETS! <>: I don't think there's anything sinful about lying about your religion to get people away from you. <<the "original intent" of many historical documents>>: I don't believe their original intent was to have drive-by shootings and people shooting at deer with assault rifles. <<it's immoral to masterbate or take a dump!>>: Guess I'm going to hell then (as if I didn't already know that). <<Does that really work?>>: I dunno. Never tried. <<it would cause a lot of troble if something went wrong>>: I doubt it.

Christine: <<the prospect of having to move everything>>: You wouldn't have to do anything. The guys who run the business would take care of moving the site.

SJ: <<It's true, I looked it up>>: I am concerned that you had to look it up AND you are an NRA member... <<to have my wallet anally raped>>: Your wallet has an anus? <<I'd be pissed>>: I'm not going for the stars. I could give two sh*ts about them, droolworthy as Sirtis is. I'm going to meet all the yahoos I've been posting to for the last three months. God, has it been that long already? <<what the hell are you talking about?>>: That was meant for me. I hope we don't get confused to much more. <<according to my NRA handbook>>: That's in the handbook? <<I'm thinking about going all the way with this NRA thing>>: Yeah, but you didn't know phlegm backwards was mgelhp without looking it up. Boy is that one gonna come back to bite you in the @$$ for years to come. <<to make me and my penis feel more important>>: I'm sure your penis has no ego problems, since it knows that it is the single most important and useful part of the male anatomy.

Beth H: Can't wait to see your site.

Spike: I'm sorry, but a picture of someone with someone else's elbow in the pic doesn't prove robby and aaron are two separate people.

Therefore, I have conclusively proven that its faster to download 3.5 meg than to shove it up your ass, ignoring the time it takes to shove it up your ass.
-Mike Margolis

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Sunday, June 3, 2001 07:25:26 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-190.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Just back from my last day at A-kon.... whew! I wound up selling 9 pictures and 3 prints, so not too bad for my first non-gargoyles showing. I ran into Aaron in the art room and when he told me about the skit that he and Robby had done last night in the Cosplay, I realized that I'd seen their pictures online this morning. Here's proof that Aaron and Robby are in fact two separate people. Click my name for the full page or use these URLs for the separate pictures.

Aaron in a Cosplay skit
http://www.fansview.com/2001/akon/0602d121.jpg

Robby (and Aaron's elbow, proving that they're two different people!)
http://www.fansview.com/2001/akon/0602d122.jpg
Spike
Sunday, June 3, 2001 05:20:36 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-238-27.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

*enters*

Hey all. I've been busy. My boyfriend and I are making a website together for my creative stuff like my poetry, writing, drawings, and anime interests. The current title of it is "Obsession Goddess's Corner of Creativity". When it's ready, I'll post the link to it.

Ugh...I have two finals this week: one in Physics and one in Japanese. The rest are next week. I was lucky though to get my Creative Writing final out of the way last Thursday. :)
Beth H.
Sunday, June 3, 2001 03:23:59 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

**"At this moment, may I ask all the sanity-challenged people in the room right now to sit down and all those with sanity to stand up?" a few minutes pass by. DPH pulls out a rapid fire plasma gun and kills all those standing. "Well, they were warned."**

Not much to say.

GXB - Yes, I am singlingly you out for a reason. What turns you off from religion more: the poeple or the beliefs?

Why am I asking? The moron I live with is trying to bug me about religion. I am tempted to tell him what I think of him: One big hypocrite. IT may hurt his feelings, but it's the truth considering what I have to put up with: Dragging me out of bad when I explicitly say I need sleep or wanting me to get up early to attend religion services when I know I'll fall asleep if I sit still too long.

That's all for now. Slow weekend for a reason.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, June 3, 2001 03:19:30 PM
IP: max1-4.cwy.cei.net

SJ: Congrats on joining the NRA! And yes, I was smirking during your whole post. :) <mimes> For me it's the Jehova Witnesses. You must have a pretty shitty life to have nothing to look forward to except the end of the world and to walk door-to-door pestering other people. People like that are causing me to seriously think about dropping out of Christianity and becoming Jewish or something. Maybe then when they come by, I can tell them that I'm a Jew and then they automatically consider me damned and not bother coming back again. A similar group has recruited/brainwashed a friend of mine from Wayne State.

Oh, where's Janet Reno when you really need her?

Josh: <<...For the purposes of forming a militia, which I think only Tim Phipps in here can claim.>> Actually, I'm trying to get in the Marines, But close enough :)
<<Don't mask it behind this "I support the 2nd amendment" bullsh*t.>> You have to remember that a militia implies ANYONE. You don't even have to be a citizen. If you read the Federalist Papers and other periodicals written by the founding fathers, you'll better understand the connotation of the word "militia." Alot of people have trouble understanding the "original intent" of many historical documents and literature, or disregard them to force their ideologies other others. That's why I'm so skeptical of those in the "Moral Right" like Dr. Laura who condemn homosexuality among other things. Hell, according to the Bible, it's immoral to masterbate or take a dump!
<<Its like telling chicks you're gay so they'll try to sleep with you>> I've heard that before. Does that really work? It seem to me that it would cause a lot of troble if something went wrong. I don't people to have guys trying to pick me up and girls who might of been interested in me
might not bother. ;)
Tim
Sunday, June 3, 2001 03:06:32 PM
IP: 207.177.117.22

Me again ...
Illuminated Site of the Week ... we were talking about Peeps not too long ago in here, so I thought folks might find this interesting ... or disturbing ... ; )

Christine - [<------ Peep War!]
Sunday, June 3, 2001 03:03:55 PM
IP: 13-034.075.popsite.net

**SJ wander in coughing up phlegm**

Did you know that phlegm spelled backwards is mgelhp? It's true, I looked it up. Nothing more fun than having a cold in the summer, huh?

But recent announcements about the Gathering have made me glad that I'm not going. Cause if I dropped the amount of coin necessary to go all the way out to L.A., to have my wallet anally raped by the cost of the whole "Gathering experience", and THEN I found out that all of the important talent was ditching the event (I'm sorry, folks, I don't get excited about talking to the janitor for the Gargoyles staff, or whatever other kind of guest you got to fill in when the "stars" bailed out), I'd be pissed. Hell, I'm incredibly letdown, and I'm not even going to the event. Two hours staring at Marina Sirtis (or Brigitte Bako....or hell, maybe even Tom Wilson) is better than multiple hours staring at...I don't know, Frank Paur.

DPH: Um...excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about? "But since I don't know you, how sure can I be that you won't pocket the money and claim the package got lost? I will be willing to send you 1/2 the money upfront and send the rest where the package arrives. As far as the check being good, that will take the same leap of faith that I have that you will send the product." Are you talking about Stephen here? I don't remember offering to sell you anything. If you're talking about Stephen, please specify, because I have a hard enough time understanding things through this chemical haze as it is.

Josh: <<I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU...>> Ha! Well then, according to my NRA handbook, you are now the enemy...I suppose that gun rights will just have to be an issue that you and I disagree on.
I'm thinking about going all the way with this NRA thing. Maybe I'll start building my own private arsenal. Nothing but huge, deadly firearms to make me and my penis feel more important (it's all about sympbolism, of course). Anyone know where I can buy a rail gun on the cheap?
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Sunday, June 3, 2001 02:51:29 PM
IP: 66-44-59-202.s456.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Zombie story > thanks for the congrats! I just got another e-mail with some minor changes I'll need to make, so that's a project for this week, in addition to some Gathering stuff and continuing to work on the latest Dissidents fic.

Josh > ugh, yeah, I know our server is often a pain in the rear. However, the prospect of having to move everything is enough to make me want to go hide in a corner and pull a blankie over my head. I let Tim worry about that part. I'll mention it to him, thanks.

Stephen > good to see you in here again!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, June 3, 2001 02:46:24 PM
IP: 13-034.075.popsite.net

Actually, we will be viewing Rocky Horror in the video room one night... (it DOES star a Gargoyles voice actor, yanno!)
As for the lack of Marina, she was only going to be there for 2 hours on Sunday... so if the TOTAL lack of her not being there is enough to drive you way... I think maybe your expectations were a bit skewed. It isn't like she was going to be hanging out with you guys all weekend. (sorry to burst yer bubble there, Josh.) ;)
CrzyDemona
Sunday, June 3, 2001 01:39:13 PM
IP: 1cust75.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

** Niamhgold enters, in a good mood :) **

Hey all! I'm so very happy because my friend Christine, from Cleveland, sent me my birthday present yesterday--a naughty card and an autographed copy of "Quintessence" (since her dad knows Lawrence Krauss). Plus, I accepted the job at North Country Graphics--it came down to thinking about what would happen with a pack of 1st-6th graders if it *rained*. So, I start Mon. Jun 18th at 9 sharp, at a comfortable 17 dollars an hour (plus more if she has me do commissions).

Shadowrider!: ** Runs and Huggles ** Cool to have you back, mi compadre! Winterwolf is right; we've got to get one of our Sunday chats together (but not next Sunday, since I'm going out of town ;)

Christine: Congrats on the story and the cash! :D

Winterwolf: Finally sent you an e-mail, hope you got it! And, since you asked--Guatemalan insanity peppers, because I spent a good half-hour afterwards walking through the desert, kicking slow turtles, and talking to dogs ;) <End to the Jif madness> Yippee! No more disgusting "mom's luv it" recipes? Yay! (I've never been a proponent of peanut butter, anyway ;) ) Fluff and jelly sandwiches all the way!

Azrael: That just stinks about the shiftbid problema :( That a$$hole should be shot for dumping on you guys like that! Seniority...bahh!

Jannie: Cool to know you work at a Boy Scout camp ;) If I'd taken the job, I'd be working at a camp for young boys, aged six to twelve, and we'd be painting murals and making Native American (namely Iroquois Indian) items. <Family in Oklahoma> Here's hoping that the whole shindig went well!

Well, Adios all!

Niamhgold
Sunday, June 3, 2001 10:16:47 AM
IP: lac-flex209.ncia.net

*Warpmind enters, whistling a cheerful tune.*
G'day, everyone.

Josh: How can ya knit a plate? B'side, plates are too cumbersome for my purposes, and too damn impractical with fiber padding! (Plates don't stop bullets, you know.) And I don't fear forgetting my language - I talk to myself enough. And floppy drives ARE standard on PCs. And a removeable disk D: is improbable - I know few people these days who actually have D: occupied by a movable disk drive - usually, I see CD-ROM drives etc. from E or F and up. (On my 486, the CD-ROM is X:, but that's because I set it there manually... such fun.) Oh, and as for translating the pun - forget it. Puns are the worst kinds of jokes to translate...

Winterwolf: She's in Virginia, for some reason...

Fire Storm: That math HURT! Try to work with my kind of math: the Don't Know The Exact Numbers, But Can Guess kind of math. ;) (Incidentally, I seem to be right more often that those who memorize the formulas, as well...)

Spike: Oooh, monkey puns! They gotten to Spider Robinson's Yule Gibbons yet? }:)

Gside: I don't want any real estate. Property taxes are murder these days...

Well, that about sums up the post... Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, June 3, 2001 09:33:02 AM
IP: mp-217-242-230.daxnet.no

And now, time for...

ANOTHER DEPRESSING REALLY IMPORTANT NEWS BULLETIN!!!

For all those interested in going to Rocky Horror Picture Show on the weekend of Gathering...WE CAN'T!!! There will be no show that weekend because there is a massive Rocky convention (also happening in LA) THAT VERY WEEKEND.

Sorry.

But if anyone is interested in a going to the Rocky Convention for a few hours (perhaps if you get an overdose of the LACK of Marina Sirtis), then I'm all for it.

That is all.
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Sunday, June 3, 2001 06:28:33 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-119.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Gunjack> <<the lawyer-looking guy in the suit carrying a briefcase (That'll be little ole me)>>: So that's where you put the bomb.

Warpmind> <<seriously, boobs, I do not have>>: I'm waitning for you to buy smoe real estate. If only for the Python line.

Imzadi> <<do you guys think maybe the reason she bailed was that she read this CR and saw us posting about her giving lapdances?>>: I think it was more the Asner lapdance thing.
<<Real men wear plate>>: I disagree. Real men wear robes.

Winterwolf> <<or was it a guy that wanted that>>: I will admit to constantly bringing it up, but just because I thought it was funny.

Fire Storm> <>: Omega. Pronounced with two schwas, in memory of one of my TAs. I'm sure I have it all on my cheat sheet, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Yeah, I am incredibly late with mp3s lately. Anyway, for the previous Wednesday's mp3 you get Hello Goodbye by the Beatles.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, June 2, 2001 11:32:30 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Christine>> Congratulations!! I knew that zombie story was a winner way back when you first let me read it. Here's hoping that it's just the beginning....

A-kon>> Check the link if you want to see what's going on here in Dallas this weekend. (There's even a picture of Skippy the Klingon!) I saw Aaron in the art room earlier today (but lost him in the crowd) and had a nice visit with Kyryn while she was taking a break. She and the staffers have broken out in monkey puns but she'll have to tell THAT story... I'm wincing just thinking of them!
Spike
Saturday, June 2, 2001 10:31:28 PM
IP: adsl-64-216-237-88.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Shadowrider> Welcome back! Now I'll have to see if we can get together in the style of our previous Sunday fun parties. ;)

Spacebabie> Well I'll get some signals from Aaron which will only make it that much more likely I'll trip and drop something. LOL

That's all for now. Bye!
Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Saturday, June 2, 2001 09:23:47 PM
IP: adsl-141-155-109-212.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net

SJ - But since I don't know you, how sure can I be that you won't pocket the money and claim the package got lost? I will be willing to send you 1/2 the money upfront and send the rest where the package arrives. As far as the check being good, that will take the same leap of faith that I have that you will send the product.

Hmm. Flowretniw - what happens to your powers during summer?

-3=1+1

Is there a current CR villain I can blame for my problems between the idiot and myelf? I keep thinking DisHarmony, but I wonder if there is someone more to blame.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, June 2, 2001 09:10:32 PM
IP: max1-20.cwy.cei.net

Hey everyone. Glad to see that everyone is still kicking. This week was a little odd. We had a bomb threat outside my barracks. We don't know if it was an actual bomb, they just blew up the box instead of checking. It was smaller than a shoe box so I don't think it was anything really, but who knows.

Can't wait for TD to start.
Later
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Saturday, June 2, 2001 09:09:54 PM
IP: 211.237.77.45

Imzadi: True, it may not bet heavy math, but when you take into account that many people can't do basic math...

It is so frigging DEAD at work today!
Fire Storm
Saturday, June 2, 2001 07:06:35 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

ooh really bad typo: hooly should be HOLLOW. And that's why I'm an engineer and not an english major!
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel
Saturday, June 2, 2001 06:54:52 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-200.nhwd02.pacbell.net

News about my grades: I got a B+ in geology, a B in physics, and an A+ in programming. That's right, an A+. I'm a 1337 H4><0R fear me!

That said, sorry FS, but that is neither heavy math nor heavy physics. Discuss.

Your formula for the moment of inertia of the flywheel depends on its shape. If its just a solid flat disk (aka a plate), then its .5MR^2. If its a hooly cylinder of radii r1 and r2 (aka a bike wheel), then its .5M(R1^2 + R2^2). ::keeps reading:: Oh, a concrete drum...I see. Your calculation, my friend, appears to be correct.
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Saturday, June 2, 2001 06:53:46 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-200.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Thanks Taleweaver! I didn't know what that darn little symbol I have been seeing on the websites I have been searching until you mentioned Angular Velocity!

Ok... lets see if I have this right...

**WARNING! HEAVY MATH AND PHYSICS!**

I = Angular Momentum
M = Mass (in KG)
R = Radius (in Meters)
r = radians (360 degrees = 2 pi radians)
w = Angular velocity
t = Time (in seconds)
J = Newton x Meters
KW = J/t

So, if I wanted to see how much energy can be stored in a flywheel, I find that out by:

w = (r/t)
I = .5MR^2
KE = .5Iw^2

So...

KE = .5 x (.5MR^2)x(r/t)^2

Correct?
So...

If I have a 170 KG flywheel (fly drum in my calculations) that has a radius of .5 meters spinning at 600 RPM (10 RPS)... (computing for 1 second)

KE = .5(.5x170x.5^2) x (20pi/1)
That should be 41946 J which = ~42KW, correct?

So, a concrete drum spinning weighing 170kg at 600RPM stores 42KW of power.

***END MATH!***

Does that make any sense or do I have my math all wrong?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, June 2, 2001 06:36:31 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

Angular Momentum, hmm - okay, but listen up because I'm only going to say this once.

1st the terms
Angular Momentum = H
Radius = r
Mass = m
angular velocity = rpm

Now Angular momentum units in SI are kg*m^2/s or N*m*s; in US it is ft-lb-sec.

The formula goes like this: H = r X mv. That's the radius cross producted with (mass times velocity)

Find velocity by the formula v= r * (angular velocity) Now this is where things may get hairy. Depending on the problem (fixed axis or relative motion) the rpms is the angular velocity to use.

I hope that helps. good luck
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Saturday, June 2, 2001 05:44:31 PM
IP: cbl064.pool008.ch001-west-covina.dhcp.hs.earthlink.net

Greetings all... sorry for not posting for a while (other than the Hank Ketchem obituary) but this past week or so has been a pain in the keister... but it had a good ending last night.

All this week I've had to deal with a cranky little she-b@!ch of a co-worker who's opinion of me doesn't rise above the level fo a snake's belly in a wagon rut... though I think she opened her mouth once too often Thursday in front of one of the Managers. Hopefully she'll be called onto the carpet for her mouth and her negative attitudes.

At the same time, my girlfriend has been preparing to leave on a five-week class course in ceramics in a school in Gatlinberg, Tennessee. Friday afternoon was our last night together until she returns, so we spent it going out to see "Pearl Harbor" at the local cineplex (more on it later), then dinner for two at our local Applebee's. After that, we wanted to walk on the beach at sunset, but considering the way the weather has been, we ended up watching the waves by moonlight while cuddling in the cab of her truck. We stayed pretty much in a clinch until she had to get home, and we parted with me giving her my silver link necklace, as a reminder that I would be waiting for her safe return.

On top of this, an old friend of mine from years ago came down to Florida to see his sister graduate from college, so he and his wife paid me a visit. It was a great thing to see how well he was doing, catching up on old times, etc.

In short, this has been a full week... I'm so glad I have this weekend off!

Anyway, onto comments and replies:

PEARL HARBOR - Despite what the critics say (and that means you too, SJ!), I think this was a rather good movie. Granted, some of the bits of the romance backstory were predictable, and I can see why some were miffed that the film didn't explore the reasons in detail why the Japanese bombed Pearl. But, Dang it, it still a great film! The FX were spectacular, made for some gripping scenes during the attack. And comparing this to Titanic is a bit unfair... after all, at least two of the leads surivived this time. ^_^

CHRISTINE - CONGRATS on the sale!

A-KON GOERS - Have a good time there, and post some pices! I want proof that Aaron and Robby are two people! ^_^ (just kidding!)

AND LAST - Seems they have obituaries in pairs these days... Just found out that Imogene Coca - one of the legends in comedy from "Your Show of Shows" and "Cid Ceasar's Comedy show" has died from natural causes in her Westport, Conn. home. She was 92...

Well, that's all from me for now... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Saturday, June 2, 2001 05:42:18 PM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

Does anyone know the formula for figuring out angular momentum when you know the mass, radius, and RPM?

Also, what units is that in?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, June 2, 2001 04:58:48 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

Shadowrider>>>Huggs, I hope your well.

Christine>>>Congrats

Sj>>Good for you joining the NRA. <<<Mimes>>> Ah a Mime is a wonderful thing to waste.

4 people bailing the Gathering,hmmmmmm We know Greg pops up in here once in a blue moon I wonder if he warned them, As for the new guests

Tukshido Kamen Sama! oops ahh but its good to have the first Darien.

Winterwolf>>>Better use that powder stuff and only try to drop something aaron will want.

Bows head for Hank Ketchum

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Saturday, June 2, 2001 12:41:50 PM
IP: user-37kaot9.dialup.mindspring.com

Hello people, I'm here again...a bit later than I supposed, but it was not for my will. Service reasons...anyway, I'll be here until Monday night, so there will be a little time. Not that much, anyway, since my little brother is going to have his comfirmation tomorrow, so I will be busy.

National holyday in my country today. We celebrate the 55th anniversary of the Republic. In Rome, great parade of the Armed forces. My regiment didn't take part due to preparations for NATO maneuvers coming in ten days.

That's all for now. Gotta go now, I'll be online again later today. See you all soon!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, June 2, 2001 08:15:40 AM
IP: h255-22-128.mi2.albacom.net

I'm so sleepy but I'm going to type up a post anyway, as it's been too long. If this isn't coherent it's probably because I'm sleep typing. Zzzzzzzzzz...

**Bounces in** Woo! All is right with the world again here!

I finished playing with the Jif madness! The last changes go live Monday. If only the site wasn't so heavy. Not for the impatient modem users let me tell you but I warned them not that they'd listen. So if anyone has a hankering for peanut butter and bacon or other combination that is going to leave me heaving and retching at the thought take a look. If nothing else it has great potential to spam someone you love with evil Jif recipes!

In other news I'm may have won a billion dollars. Oh just give me the money already and stop wasting it by sending me all this junk mail. ;D

Seriously, I'm psyched that it is June! The month of the Gathering! Though it is rough to have 4 high profile guests bail out at this point. Maybe they saw SJ's posts and figured they couldn't take any chances. ;P

Now the ladies can't even get that lap dance from Ed Asner or was it a guy that wanted that... **shudders**

Aaron> How are you going to get by without showing Marina your own personal Demona?

Imzadi> <Marina Sirtis> I blame SJ! ;P <Will someone please remind me how were left hanging at the end of season 3?> One of the TGS staffers said this is the last episode of the season. Hence it was there that we were left hanging. <won't display on Netscape on the Mac> You know Niamhgold's site works fine for both Netscape and IE on the PC.

Warpmind> Hey where is Lynati your _bosom_ buddy these days? ;D

Mecord> <meeting people as strange> But what about all the people that are stranger? <force feedback> I gave feedback without you having to badger me. Maybe if I tried to weasel out more... And of course since you bring it up when is the next part going to get written? Do you have the all monkeys on with all the word processors going yet?

Niamhgold> **huggles** Fortunately you are okay. <But today is, thankfully, a mild day> Have you been eating red-hot chili peppers or a Guatemalan insanity pepper? It would explain the loss of consciousness at times too... ;P Now that's just wrong.

Dreamie> <drop more CDs in the auction> Well if I drop anything at least it gives Aaron a chance to get a great deal like last time... LOL <foxkids.com> I miss the old Fox stuff. Well I got to bail before the web division company that did everything FOX fell apart. <tickling> Help! Is there no hope for me? O.o <cute> I agree with SJ and Imazadi. You are the cutest I've ever seen! Maybe now you'll reconsider that tickle attack? ;)

Well I'm off to bed so I can go out early tomorrow! Good night!

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Saturday, June 2, 2001 01:58:44 AM
IP: adsl-141-155-119-117.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net

[comes into the CR briefly, towing a Red Ryder wagon, with a cowboy hat, a teddy bear, and the hat of a certain cranky next-door neighbor... the Big Guy places these next to the Tea Table, before raising a glass of chocolate milk in a toast.]

Hank Ketcham, creator and artist of the memorable strip "Dennis The Menace" has died at the age of 81. I thought since we morned the passing of Charles Schutz, this was appropriate to mention as well...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangsrgoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Saturday, June 2, 2001 12:25:08 AM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

And, in the style of a Protoss Dragoon...

I have returned.

Whew! Fixed the SNAFU at work that happened yesterday, and only took me a couple hours to do it (best part was I got paid for that time too. Now I know how programmers make their money!). I'm logging in to tech support in a couple hours and working till midnight.

15 people are reported dead today in another suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. When will these people learn!? When you suicide bomb Israel, what happens? I'll give you a hint: it starts with a squadron of F-15's. Israel is gonna bomb the sh*t out of these people, and probably soon. You can't stop Israeli jets. No one EVER has downed an Israeli F-15. EVER. So now Israel is gonna send the planes and rain fire and brimstone and flechettes and all kinds of nasty stuff. Stupid fscking terrorists.

Yesterday, KROQ (the local rock station in LA) had a really funny sketch where they "called" President Bush (or rather one of their staff doing a voice impersonation) and asked him about the underage drinking thing with Jenna Bush. The talk show hosts, Kevin and Bean, asked "Bush" if she might have picked up her alcoholism at home, to which the fake president responded "Yeah, her mother's a drunken whore" before chugging some fluid (not like we could see, it was on the radio). But it was pretty funny.

JEB: <<compiled by yours truly and Greg Bishansky>>: Ooops. ::smiles sheepishly:: I didn't mean to imply that you guys were pathetic. I was referring to non-TGS people having such a time-line. <<edited for spoilers>>: I think you may have forgotten a couple, though which ones they are escape memory. Just in case, I'd double-check.

SJ: <>: Cool! Now do me a huge favor and stay...over there. <<Except for mimes>>: I fear no mimes. Clowns, however, are another story... <<gives the citizens the right to bear arms>>: ...For the purposes of forming a militia, which I think only Tim Phipps in here can claim. <<the more I want to protect gun ownership just to piss those types of people off>>: Now THAT is a valid reason to join the NRA. Don't mask it behind this "I support the 2nd amendment" bullsh*t. <<I'm a card carrying member of the NRA>>: I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU...does that mean there's gonna be a duel in here? Can we use a weapon that is NOT a gun? ;-) <<the great Chuck Heston>>: I wouldn't trust that yahoo with anything more deadly than a ball of yarn, even if he did part the red sea. <<From my cold dead hands!>>: I've said similiar things about my car and my laptop. <<But We Do Have Ben Affleck Blowing Crap Up>>: Which, I think, is FAR better than Leo, Kate, or even both! <<removing offensive material>>: Have you seen the edited versions? I haven't, but I'm guessing that the actual history of them bombing us would NOT be considered offensive. If they're offended by the concept of a movie called "Pearl Harbor" then they're not going to see it, regardless of content. There's no way Disney can market this movie in Japan at all without completely rewriting it so that the Japanese cease to look like the sneaky, low-down bastards they WERE (not ARE). Maybe they can have Ben Affleck undergo some facial reconstruction and have him switch sides...ya know, make a whole new movie. <<people at Disney are a bunch of pussies>>: I don't think you're gonna find anyone in this room who likes Disney Execs. After all, they cancelled our favorite cartoon. <<if we're a little slow to forget that>>: That, and everytime that country gets together, 10 yrs later, it tries to take over the world. Speaking of which...its been about 10 years since the Berlin Wall fell down, the economy is sh*tty...the stage is set! <<the Minister of Hate>>: Will that be your official title when I take over the world? <<married to a man>>: JOY! I knew it was too awful to be true. <<Degenitals was just like being with a man>>: No, it WAS being with a man. (S)he was just calling herself a lesbian so she could get Heche to "experiment". Its like telling chicks you're gay so they'll try to sleep with you. <<not even I could create it in my own laboratory>>: I couldn't recreate it in a BERKELEY laboratory. <<further Anne's own career>>: Is that wrong? Or even unusual? Using someone to further your career happens all the time. <<Jenna Bush>>: If I was famous and underage, I wouldn't even TRY to buy alcohol. People know how old you are when you're famous. Jenna Bush is just a moron. <<unless it was for a photo op>>: In my opinion, Clinton should have hid his daughter DURING the photo ops. We never heard a damn thing about her behavior at Stanford. She must have actually be a good girl. <<based solely on the potential of this girl>>: Could the president do anything to change your mind about that? <<you gentlemen do>>: Though I do not claim to be a gentleman, I do know what you mean ;-). <<The free-world would grind to a halt>>: I don't think being first son-in-law gives you that kind of power. Or any power, for that matter. <<Will I be blamed for this again?>>: Unlikely. <>: You are. So am I. But you're the funny clone 8-). <<if you love writing, just do it>>: I agree...but its nice to know how other people feel about your writing, if you distribute it in places like the fanfic archives or whatever. <<accents of CR dwellers>>: I'm a valley-boy, myself. <<condoms are part of a healthy breakfast>>: Kinda reminds me about how my (then) girlfriend woke me up on my birthday. I later dumped her for waking me up on my birthday ;-). <<taste great on a cracker>>: I'd guess they were kind of rubbery. Yuk, yuk 8-) <>: And neither does anyone else. We're just humoring him. <<diarrhea of the word processor>>: Maybe Klippy the Paper Clip isn't in Office XP because he's taking some sick leave! <<his novels can often dwarf the phone book>>: His novels can often dwarf the Grimorum...withOUT using parchment sheets. <<how undeniably cute she is>>: As I said to a friend of mine "Damnit, the one cute single chick my age who's going to Gathering, and she's taken!" ;-) <<Faith as Wonder Woman>>: I don't think I could believe Faith as WW. I don't think any Buffy watcher could. <>: I forsee...gratuitous ass-kicking.

Gside: <>: Ditto. Pays more for less work. <<The bomb he swallowed>>: LOL.

Azrael: Shift happens. As a computer user, you should know thAt. ;-) Hey, see! Shift just happened!

Todd Jensen: <<Pity, though>>: Who says you still can't write it!? Only TGS readers would know who Ms. Sefton is, but that's not relevant. AT ALL. If you want to write, write.

Marina Sirtis isn't coming to gathering!? NOOOOOOOOOOOO. And here I was getting all exciting to enter the bidding for a lapdance from my favorite voice talent...Hey, do you guys think maybe the reason she bailed was that she read this CR and saw us posting about her giving lapdances?

Revel: Actually...those pics are pretty nice on Avmists...I can make icons out of those...

Christine: <<why?>>: Your site is slow and frequently inactive/down/whatever. These are functions of your hosting service...who do you use? I can get my roommate to waive the setup fee... <<sold a story>>: Congrats! May it be the second of many. <<AvMists>>: A damn fine job, if I do say so myself ::smug grin::

DPH: <<MS Visual Studio cheaper>>: I'd be happy to pick it up for you when I get back to school at the end of August if you want. But since I don't know you, I'd expect a certified bank check in advance. Because *I* can't use MS Visual Studio, so if you don't pay I don't even have the recourse of using the damn thing. <<how they arrived at 13 episodes>>: I'm guessing that was when the ideas stopped flowing.

Lain: <<DPH is the first person i read>>: Must be the timing. <<*innocent look*>>: That doesn't fly very well online. <<a REALLY sick joke>>: Its even sicker when you think about what happens when you drink milk and laugh... <<not only did the vikings rape and pillage>>: They also pillage and plunder and ravage and loot, drink up me hardys yo ho! They kidnap and ransack and don't give a hoot, drink up me hardys yo ho! Oh, wait...that's the Pirates of the Carribbean...my bad.

Warpmind: <<knitting myself a suit of armor>>: Wuss. Try plate. Real men wear plate. <<go quite irreversibly sane>>: Or worse, you might forget how to speak. Ever see "Nell"? <<Far more interesting, then, hmmm?>>: No, just makes you that much more of a confirmed loser. <<it isn't standard>>: Neither is a floppy drive. Neither is "the briefcase". In fact, I don't think any of the options are standard. <<There are alternatives to the Zipdrive>>: Thank you, I know that. <<they'd have to actually pay Iomega for it>>: If they included the drivers, yes. But to just have a "removeable disk D:" in the sendTo menu wouldn't cost them a dime. Not only that, but I'm sure Iomega would be happy to have windows include it for free, if only to increase exposure and usage. The more usage Iomega drives get, the more defective Zip disks they sell. Most PC's that are sold my MAJOR companies (Dell, Compaq, Gateway) have Zip drives standard, BTW. And if they can preinstall stuff at the factory, there's no reason they can't make this little change to windows before the box ships. <<are you fluent in Norwegian?>>: Isn't everyone? For those that aren't...you could translate. <<two fave gargesses are gone>>: AKA the only two gargesses. <<looking forward to seeing Mara bribe Marina for a lapdance!>>: Maybe you should try to bribe...oh nevermind.

Whew...that was a long one.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
-Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt), Fight Club

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Friday, June 1, 2001 08:32:52 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-103.nhwd02.pacbell.net

SJ: No, it's not your fault that we haven't been in lately. We've just really been busy. The house is getting a through deep cleansing inside and out, the yard is getting mown and seeded by Doug and his landscaping uncle Randy, and our jobs are taking up time too. We're busy. Too busy to come in here at all. :P.
Kit
Friday, June 1, 2001 06:56:12 PM
IP: 2cust86.tnt2.austin2.tx.da.uu.net

Jannie, re: E-tickets: What airline? They might be different among themselves, but I know at least Northwest (which is the line I'm flying with mainly because I live near their hub) confirms e-tickets just like regular ones, call up their hotline and make sure the flight's still good 24 hours in advance. I also know NWA uses a special style of check-in for e-ticket holders with credit cards (which, well lookie here, excludes me) that uses machines kind of like ATM's at airport lobbies.

Myself, though, I gotta go through the regular line with the rest of the folks. Bummer. **snaps fingers**
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, June 1, 2001 05:40:17 PM
IP: 64.243.214.142

*Warpmind enters, knitting something in a metal-colored thread.*
Morning, everyone. I felt like knitting myself a suit of armor, like the vikings of old did. Naturally, I use steel wool, from the finest stainless war merinos in the world... };)

Lain: The reason I call you is that a) Neither you, Gunjack or Lynati have been online for too long, b) I presently live with my parents, and c) if I don't get my daily dose of dialogue, be it through speech or internet chat systems, with someone with an acknowledgeable intellect and a questionable sanity, I'd probably go quite irreversibly sane. And we wouldn't want that, so close to the Gathering, would we? };)

Josh: First, I know the incantation by heart, but I have it written on genuine PARCHMENT! (Far more interesting, then, hmmm?) Second, it's not the only incantation I have; though, I suspect I will be leaving them behind; don't want to take foolish chances in a crowd of over 200 people I give a damn about the survival of. ;) As for a reason why the Zip drive isn't a standard output unit in the Sendto folder, well, consider this: it isn't standard. There are alternatives to the Zipdrive, including the Jaz(?)drive, also from Iomega. Besides, Microsoft themselves, as far as I know, never issued any drivers for the Zipdrives, either... and they're not too lazy to make them, but too damn CHEAP!!! There's a difference; if they made the Zipdrive a default device for Windows like that, they'd have to actually pay Iomega for it, and when was the last time MS paid for something like that? Regarding the pun... are you fluent in Norwegian? If not, there is no point in sending you the pun. I never said it was in English, did I? (It's still pretty disgusting, though...) And regarding the smell thing... I rescent that. };)

SJ: You're calling ME a flirt? Hmmm... I guess there's some truth in that... and I seem to get flirted with a lot online... but seriously, boobs, I do not have. (If I were severely overweight, maybe, but that's not too likely...) Oh, and I doubt Lain's the one to have warped Gunjack's mind - warping minds happen to be MY turf, capisce? };)

WAAAAH!!! Now four people of the Gargs cast, including everyone's two fave gargesses are gone, and they're replaced with four persons I've never even HEARD of... Wait... Rino Romano. I may have seen him; NYPD Blue actually airs on this side of the Atlantic... but still, I was looking forward to seeing Mara bribe Marina for a lapdance! :(

Christine: Yeehaaw! "Dawn of the Living-Impaired"? ACK! Politically Correct Zombies? MUST READ!!!!

Lain again (No, not a reference to anyone's personal life...): hanging out too much? We? Noooo... heh... actually... I'm getting these weird flashes of public buildings setting up "NO NORWEGIANS" signs after I visit. };)

Well, that kinda sums up the post... except for one thing:
LYNATI!!! WHERE ARE YOU??? I MISS YOU!!! *Sniffle*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, June 1, 2001 05:01:41 PM
IP: mp-217-201-250.daxnet.no

hey look... DPH is the first person i read... AGAIN...

SJ.. no actually, gunjack doesnt REALLY sound like an honest-to-GOD texan.. though his mother kinda does.. he wasnt born in texas, you see.. so he sounds kinda normal.. actually he sounds kinda like me - except when he says "south" which comes out kinda like "sowwth"..
and i do say "eh" but not ALL the time. though i do have this tendancy (like many canadians) to make fun of the fact that i am a canadian, therefore saying "eh" just to say "eh". though i do have a canadian accent, i do also have a bit of a british thing goin on cos my parents taught me to speak and they were both from britain. ya'know.. if i had your phone number, i could always call you up and talk british in your ear ; )
and me??? warping gunjacks mind?? whatever do you mean *innocent look*

josh>> yes, apparently condoms have milk in them.. there is a REALLY sick joke in there.. but i think i will have to leave it to the imagination rather that admit that i have been hanging out with warpmind THAT much...

azrael>> *huggles* i havent had a bad day at work yet.. so i cant really sympathise but.. *hugs* anyways.. and thank you for all the tech support you have tried to give to me in the past little while.. my computer is still (&^^$ but your efforts are much appreciated : )

gunjack>> jeff has a PONYTAIL?!?! and you didnt TELL me??? *mumbles something about men being sexy with long hair and kilts and.. * no wait.. id better shut up before i get in trouble... ; ) cimar a tha thu jeff? hee hee.. its like a code..
sorry..
heh ehhe... lawyer lookin? with a suit?? *makes a funny noise* you gonna wear that hat? you know the one.. the one that i like? *twitchtwitch* awwwww... and i dont get to see you.. bummeroo.. well.. till later anyways..
um.. and um... im still workin on finding you places to sleep and/or sleepover party friends. so far.. theres always mr dude..

and.. the discovery of a piece of rope on baffin island confirms that the vikings were indeed the first europeans to visit the americas, over 800 years ago. the three-metre piece of twine is also evidence that not only did the vikings rape and pillage, but they also enjoyed knitting very much..

; ) love,
lain "happy in that new, downsized, lower expectations kind of happiness happy thats so popular these days" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Friday, June 1, 2001 03:56:38 PM
IP: 198.96.83.163

One thing has been bugging me lately: why I haven't made an appointment to get my back fixed? I wonder if it has to do with having no back problems means I have to mow my entire yard.

Ok, here is a small request. Does anyone have the means to get MS Visual Studio cheaper than its normal price [student id will get you a discount]? If so, I am willing to pay the person the reduced price, shipping costs, plus $30 for your trouble. That piece of software plus one more piece of hardware are the only things I lack for my PC.

Imzadi - I wish I could comment about how the TGS staff arrived at 13 episodes, but that would involve some major spoilers.

That's all for now.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, June 1, 2001 02:08:07 PM
IP: max1-34.cwy.cei.net

That went quicker and with fewer snags than anticipated ...

The Summer 2001 issue of Avalon Mists is now posted!
Click or go to http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/avmists/
Includes many cool stories, art, cartoons, and more!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, June 1, 2001 12:23:43 PM
IP: 12-195.075.popsite.net

Fire Storm > terribly sorry to hear that! You'll be missed! Hope you can drop in every now and then.

Josh > be shot? Why? What'd I miss?

Avalon Mists > with all luck, the new issue will be posted sometime today. Very cool stuff! Stay tuned.

Announcement > I sold a story! EEEEE! This is, despite my reputation as a 'real' author, only the second thing I've written that I'm getting paid upfront real live money for ... the first was an article in Pyramid. Anyway, I'm very happy to announce that my zombie story "Dawn of the Living-Impaired" has been accepted for the "Book of All Flesh" anthology. EEEEEE! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, June 1, 2001 11:51:41 AM
IP: 12-195.075.popsite.net

Well just like Gunjack I too can now use my computer again. I really do not like it when people jerk you around like this, it's annoying. To say the least. I have to go to work at eleven and I would invite people to come say hi, but I don't even remember if there is anyone close enough to my area to do so, oh well at least I'm not closing tonight.
No Marina Siris, bummer. :( Oh well they're gonna miss a great party.
Well, let's see what's the topic of talk. TGS stuff, I don't know what to say about it.

Josh-Hey, if your looking for something to read you can go check out the the story about the icon character I gave you. The link should take you there.

Well guess I better go.

"And you just thought I was smart."
-Oswald: The Drew Carey Show-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Friday, June 1, 2001 11:29:00 AM
IP: ac9d6509.ipt.aol.com

Just three week's until this year's Gathering of the Gargoyles. We've got news, so let's get right to it!

First of all, we regret to inform our readers that due to scheduling conflicts and other circumstances beyond our control that Marina Sirtis, Edward Asner, Brigitte Bako, and Tom Wilson will be unable to attend this year's convention. They all send their good wishes and hope that you'll still have a great time at the Gathering in their absence.

On the bright side, we've confirmed FOUR NEW GUESTS!

Joining us will be Rino Romano, "Johnny Rico" from ROUGHNECKS: THE STAR SHIP TROOPERS CHRONICLES and "Peter Parker/Spiderman" from SPIDERMAN and SPIDERMAN UNLIMITED. He was also the original English voice of "Tuxedo Mask" from SAILOR MOON.

In addition to his busy life as a voice actor, Rino Romano is a successful television and actor appearing before the camera in such series as: NYPD BLUE, STAR TREK: VOYAGER, and DUE SOUTH.

Also joining us is Susan Chesler. Susan provided the voice of "Ling Ling" in the English dub of 3X3 EYES. She will be participating in a special panel slated for Monday June 25th discussing the tricks and pitfalls surrounding translating a successful Japanese anime such as 3X3 EYES and bringing it to an American market.

On the other side of the microphone we've also confirmed two guests that work behind the scenes of the animation industry.

Jonathan Klein, VICE PRESIDENT of New Generation Pictures and PRODUCER of 3X3 EYES, NAZCA and other anime imports will also take part in our special 3X3 EYES Q & A. He'll also lend his considerable abilities to our Voice Acting Seminar (part 1)

And finally, (for this week) Jeff Kline. Mr. Kline has served as EXECUTIVE PRODUCER of such popular animated series as: ROUGHNECKS: THE STARSHIP TROOPERS CHRONICLES, GODZILLA, MEN IN BLACK . He'll be joining us on Monday June 25th for the ROUGHNECKS: STARSHIP TROOPERS CHRONICLES Q & A.

We've got plenty in store for you this Gathering starting at 12:00 NOON on Friday and running through Monday AFTERNOON, so don't make plans to pull up stakes early. You won't want to miss a minute!

kathy - [kapogge@excite.com]
Friday, June 1, 2001 09:58:04 AM
IP: rr-56-12-154.atl.mediaone.net

SEVARIUS JR. - Well, I'm not much of an expert on Indian mythology myself, but from what I've read, the basic story in the Ramayana is this: Sita, the wife of Prince Rama, is kidnapped by Ravana, the ruler of the rakshashas (a race of Indian demons, very nasty ones), and Rama has to rescue her, with the aid of an army of intelligent monkeys and apes under the leadership of Hanuman, the Monkey King.

A bit of "Buffy"-related news: Joss Whedon has stated that a new Slayer won't be coming along after Buffy's death - the process of a new Chosen One coming about will only be triggered when Faith dies. (Which probably makes it just as well that Buffy will be coming back - otherwise, the Council of Watchers would have to choose between getting Faith out of prison, arranging for a little accident to happen to her - which might not be that out of character for them, actually, IMO, or doing without a Slayer altogether - which wouldn't appeal to them at all, since as Buffy pointed out, without a Slayer, they're pretty much useless).

(Pity, though; there goes that little creativity demon of mine for a Pendragon/Buffy crossover in which Mary Sefton becomes the new Slayer after Buffy's death and the Council of Watchers promptly becomes more than a little unnerved at discovering about her being a werewolf - now there'd be a nice piece of controversy waiting to happen).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, June 1, 2001 07:30:18 AM
IP: 168.191.170.50

David G - You're Akon bound too? Well, there's three in our party; The tall, skinny guy (that's Ben), the taller, bigger, louder guy with the long ponytail (that's Jeff), and the lawyer-looking guy in the suit carrying a briefcase (That'll be little ole me). Say Hi if you spot us, eh?

Funny thing about me; If I go more than a day on 6 hours of sleep, my body starts physically breaking down. I had 7 last night, and I'll probably catch about another seven total for the next three days. If you want to find me the EASY way, wait till sunday and look for the suit who looks like he should be in an intensive-care ward.
Ah, the sacrifices we make for love... ; )
Gunjack "It's a Difficult Thing To Explain" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 1, 2001 02:25:59 AM
IP: aca5b30a.ipt.aol.com

Imzadi> <>: I wasn't talking about you, they're just some of the more obvious typos that annoy me generally.
<<lets here it for>>: Now that is a less common homonymous typo.

Niamhgold> <<Arts and Crafts and design work for a campground, or design/web page work at a graphic design company?>>: I vote graphic design, but that's just me.

Gunjack> <<What Makes That Guy Tick?>>: The bomb he swallowed.

Mecord> <<What happened to Kit and Doug that made them stop?>>: There was a good bit of flaming going on, they left if protest for a tad, when they came back, they decided not to RP unless a certain number of people asked them to. The certain number has not yet been reached.

Fire Storm> good luck with the job, and hope to see you again in here someday (regularly, that is).

Azrael> Good luck with your shifts.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, June 1, 2001 02:22:05 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Damn, and I thought I was a pig. Maybe I really am an SJ clone...
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [<--clicky for gargoyles icons!]
Encino, CA, US of A
Friday, June 1, 2001 02:07:31 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-172.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Finally, SJ has returned to the CR!

And I come bringing something special. **SJ pulls out a plastic card from his wallet** Do you know what this is? It's a small piece of plastic. Beyond that, it symbolizes the realization of something I had been a little wishy washy on before. Finally, however, I broke down and did it. This little card proves it.

I joined the NRA.

Yes, like millions of other Americans, most of them white, Republican, and fearful of minorities, I have joined the NRA (I'm joking about the fearful of minorities part. Sort of. But I fear no man or woman. Except for mimes, whom I find to be an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.). Why? Cause I guess it was just about time, damnit. I do have a firm belief in the 2nd Amendment, which is to say that I actually DO believe that the 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms. Yet I do not own a firearm myself, nor do I plan on even purchasing one in the near (or really the far) future. It's all about principles I suppose. That, and the fact that the more people like Rosie O'Donnell fight to ban guns, the more I want to protect gun ownership just to piss those types of people off.

So that's my big news of the day. I'm a card carrying member of the NRA. All of you should be very, very afraid. Some of you perhaps more than others. Somewhere, I think, Tim Phipps is smiling. As the great Chuck Heston, el Presidente, would say, "From my cold dead hands!"

In other news�..Pearl Harbor was the number one film this past weekend. It didn't break any records, unless you count the ones that they just made up to make it look as if their dumb movie broke some records (I believe they created one category just for the film-"Highest grossing opening weekend for a film 3 hrs."). I thought about going, than I started to hear some things about the movie that upset me deeply, and also, I really had no interest in watching a film that could be named "Titanic 2: We Don't Have Leo or Kate, But We Do Have Ben Affleck Blowing Crap Up".
They're doing something with this film that really, really pisses me off and disturbs me. Now, every film goes through editing for content. That I understand. And of course, this is a Disney film, so every inch of celluloid will be cut and pasted so that not a goddamn soul in the world will be offended by it. But here's what really pisses me off---they made two other cuts of the movie, one for Japanese audiences and one for German audiences. Those cuts consisted of removing any material in the film that would be offensive to either country. Now, I know: "They're just looking at dollar signs. They're just trying to make sure that the movie is profitable overseas". Yes, I know that. I also know the people at Disney are a bunch of pussies. Yes, I know that they sometimes review this room. Which is why I say it out loud. PEOPLE AT DISNEY---YOU ARE PUSSIES.
Look, I appreciate the Japanese and their culture as much as the next person�.actually probably more so. But here's a little fact you're glossing over-THEY BOMBED US. Regardless of our relations with them now, back then they were viscious little sneak attacking bastards that tried to cripple us and killed hundreds, if not thousands in the process. The movie is about the event in which the sons of bitches bombed our base into oblivion. And don't even get me started on the Germans. The Germans are always bitching about how people won't let them forget WW2. Hello! Excuse me, but you only tried to exterminate an entire race of people. You just killed about 6 million or so Jews. Pardon us if we're a little slow to forget that little factoid.
This is the type of crap in Hollywood that REALLY pisses me off. It's one thing to be historically inaccurate for the sake of telling a good story. Braveheart was a great movie; was it EXACTLY like it really happened? Who cares. Was Saving Private Ryan exactly like it was? Maybe not. That doesn't matter. What really drives me crazy is when they rewrite history NOT to tell a good story, but instead just so that somebody doesn't get their feelings hurt. BS. Tell it like it is-the Japanese bombed the hell out of us. Don't dramatize it to make them look good.

Just call me the Minister of Hate.

In better and more optimistic news---Gentlemen in the room, you will be happy to know�.that Anne Heche is getting married. To a MAN. Hallelujah! My fellow males, the long night is over, as she has finally come back to OUR side! Whooo!!! (One could theorize that being with Ellen Degenitals was just like being with a man, but I will refrain.) In fact, Anne's publicist is now calling her relationship with Ellen "an experiment". That's one experiment so horrific not even I could create it in my own laboratory.
Actually, the whole point of me bringing up this story (other than to gloat that a fine-looking woman like Anne is once again riding the baloney pony) is that I've said all along that Anne's relationship with Ellen was farcical. It was just meant to further Anne's own career, which I think was exactly what happened. Once Ellen wasn't happening anymore, out the door Anne went.

If you haven't heard, the Bush daughters (or more accurately, Jenna Bush) got in trouble for trying to buy liquor while they were underage. This would be the second offense in a relatively short period of time for Jenna Bush. I could go off on a rant here about how if you're going to buy liquor while you're under age, at least be smart enough to have someone 21 or older do it (isn't that what the Secret Service is for? Those idiots are letting them go off and get sh!tfaced, might as well just go ahead and buy them the booze), but I won't. It's getting to the point now where there's no way in hell the press can NOT focus attention upon the first daughters. Give Bill Clit-on some credit, at least he was smart enough to hide his kid away for all 8 years, unless it was for a photo op. Now, I know what you're thinking: what does SJ think about all of this? Well, I'm glad you asked!
My opinion? I'm sure there's some deep message in there about underage drinking, and how alcoholism is one of the leading social problems out there (there really is no such thing as social drinking folks), so much so that the daughter of the most powerful man on the planet is a borderline wino. I won't go into that, though. I'll just say this: goddamn Jenna Bush is HOT! I love her now. She's cute as hell, even if she does have a little bit of that chubby baby fat left (or is that bloating from the booze?), and she knows how to party. When I say that, I mean she KNOWS how to party. And she seems a little wild and crazy, and everyone loves a crazy girl. I'm telling you, the next four years (and I'm crossing my fingers for 8, based solely on the potential of this girl) will be filled with unbelievably fun and wacky hijinks from my new favorite babe, lil' Jenna Bush. God, what a fun girl she must be, if you know what I mean. And you gentlemen do. In fact, there's a rumor that there's a tape out there of her plastered at a sorority party. If this is true, it will be as good as porno in my book. Which is actually the next logical step in her degeneration.
She's currently shooting up my list of women whom I'd like to be the future ex-Mrs. SJ. God, wouldn't that be great? If I was the first son-in-law? The free-world would grind to a halt, and I'd love every minute of it. Bring out the kegs, here comes Jenna Bush!!!

Josh: {<<What happened to Kit and Doug that made them stop?>>: SJ and Pistoff bitched them out. It was ugly.} Which reminds me---they (hee hee!) haven't been in here lately. Will I be blamed for this again? I deserved it the first time, but I don't think I do for round two. Oh, and thanks for the compliments. I don't consider myself funny, really, I just consider myself a big smartass. ;)

Importance of Feedback: This I have a bit of a hard time understanding. I know feedback is important to some (and it's coming, Fred! Be patient with me! ;), but I always place the greatest emphasis upon writing for writing's sake. Some people write for a reaction, and I can't fault them for that. Any professional writer needs people to have at least some opinion of their work. But I take a somewhat different approach: if you love writing, just do it. Don't let the fact that people aren't burning down your inbox with emails praising or criticizing your work to deter you. If you love writing, just do it. If you have a story to tell, tell it, if for no other person than yourself. Don't stop writing just because you aren't getting a thousand letters of praise or indignation. I always hate to see someone stop writing because "there isn't any response". Don't let that deter you! If writing is what you love, do it. To me, it's as simple as that.

Lain: I've never quite thought of the accents of CR dwellers before. Does Gunjack sound like an honest-to-God Texican? Do go around saying "Eh" all the time? The only individual CR member who's voice I've ever heard is JackaL. Accents amuse me. Perhaps because, being from D.C., I don't really have a strong one of my own (we're in the center of things. We're not close enough to southern VA for me to have a drawl, and not close enough, relatively, to Bal-tee-mow-ur to have the Bal-tee-mow-ur towny accent). Although Mandi might have the Baltimoron accent�Doesn't she live in Maryland? Well, hon, let's go down to the Bromo-seltzer tower an' eat some crab cakes and watch Cal play for the Orioles!
Oh, and pardon my ignorance, but condoms are now milk free? Were they made with milk to begin with? Short of a taste test, one could not tell the difference. Milk condoms, imagine that. Wow, condoms are part of a healthy breakfast, and they taste great on a cracker.

Warpmind: <<I... Do... Not... Have... Bosoms.>> Flirt. I don't believe you! ;)

King vs. Koontz: As I said, it's an immortal battle. I have to side with King on this one. He has a horrible problem in that he's incredibly verbose. I'm talking about severe diarrhea of the word processor; his novels can often dwarf the phone book. But in the end, I just think he's a better writer, at the basic level, than Koontz. You can't say, "Well they write about different subject matter, therefore you can't compare". Nahh. I think Koontz falls apart at the end of almost every book. King leaves a lot of stories open-ended, but at least there's a decent payoff.

Gunjack: I've been reading your posts latetly, and I honestly think lain has warphed your fragile little mind.
I envy you, you lucky bastard. ;)

Dreamie: I'm afraid my body belongs to someone else and he's not sharing. :::chuckle:::>> Inside, I feel my heart breaking a little. As should all of us males in the room.
And I'm not joking. If you've seen a picture of Dreamie, I dare you not to notice how undeniably cute she is. I'm filled with emotions of sorrow and tremendous envy. ;) ;p

***ENTERTAINMENT NEWS***

For the DBZ fan, the fifth season of the show on Cartoon Network will debut on September 3rd.

In Neil Gaiman news, Neil's book "American Gods" is available / will be available soon. It's excellent. And also, Neil is writing a script for an animated movie based upon "The Ramayana", which is an 8,000 page Indian poem. I wish I could say I'm terribly excited about the Ramayana being adapted, but I know nothing about Indian literature. But if Neil does it, it will be gold.

In unbelievably cool news, the GOOD news�.no, the GREAT news about the potential Hellboy movie (based upon Mike Mignola's fantastic comic character, Hellboy) is that one of the verified gods of cool, Vin Diesel, will play Hellboy. If you aren't familiar with Vin, go rent "Pitch Black". He plays the bad-ass killer with a deep down heart of fool's gold. If you still don't know him, he did the voice for the "Iron Giant". He was also in Saving Private Ryan as the first of Tom Hanks merry band of soldiers to get killed (the bastard German sniper took him out while he was trying to help the little French girl). Anyway, that's excellent news, since not only does Vin look imposing enough to play Hellboy without CGI effects (translation-he looks like he should be wrestling for Vinny Mac on WWF Smackdown), he's got a really cool, deep voice that I could picture spouting all of Hellboy's lines.
The bad news is that Universal is still uncertain whether to make the movie or not. I'm hoping that they do, because if the Mummy has proven anything, it's that action-horror films can sell at the box office.

Speaking of comic book movies, they're still trying to put together a Wonder Woman movie. The latest name being pitched around to play WW is our dear little Faith, Eliza Dushku.
I don't know if she would be any good in the role, but who cares? All of us men, let's now take a moment to imagine her in the outfit. Hmmmm�..There's an image to store in the ol' mental scrapbook.

For fans of Jackie Chan, a sequel to one of my favorite movies of last year, Shanghai Noon, will be made. Both Jackie and Owen Wilson will return to reprise their roles, and the new film will be called "Shanghai Knights", where Jackie and Owen will travel to Britain to stop a plot meant to topple the British and Chinese empires. The same writers and director will return as well. I have no idea if this movie will be any good, but it's Jackie, so my ass will be in the theater when it opens.
Speaking of Jackie, he'll be making two films in the near future: A 3rd movie in the Operation Condor series, and an adaption of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". I have no idea what that will be like, but I'm intrigued.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Friday, June 1, 2001 12:17:17 AM
IP: 66-44-59-214.s468.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Did someone ask for a TGS Timeline? :)

Here, for public consumption, is the Timeline used by the TGS staff, compiled by yours truly and Greg Bishansky (with help from others). It has, however, been edited for spoilers.

Enjoy! Click my name or go to http://www.dracandros.com/Jebgarg/Nidoking/timey-2.html
JEB
Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:11:48 PM
IP: ac895072.ipt.aol.com

And, in the style of Nine Inch Nails...

FSCK!

Major SNAFU at work today. I, or someone else, accidentally deleted a part of the program that ties options to procedures for making a particular product (like if you wanted a CD player option in a car, you'd have to add in the assembly step that puts it in)...and now I have to set all the options back on 300-odd steps. I was about 25% finished when I left today, and hopefully I can get it all working again. If not...houston, we have a problem.

Guandalug: <<Sorry, Josh>>: But...but...NINE! 8-) <<why don't you add it?>>: That's not my complaint. I could add it, I've done it before, and its no big hassle. My problem is that it should be built into windows. When you first run Windows, it should say "which drives are on this computer" or hell, OSes are smart enough, they should just scan and have all disk drives as options in that menu. The fact that I should have to go into any file and edit ANYTHING for that to happen is ludicrous.

TGS Staff: <<september>>: Well good. That gives me time to read OTHER things! 8-) <<13 eps>>: awwwwwwwwww. I thought Greg X said you guys were shooting for longer seasons? <<left you hanging>>: We were left hanging?

Will someone please remind me how were were left hanging at the end of season 3?

Naimhgold: <>: Try an engineering major. <<everyone's servers/browsers are different>>: Your site shouldn't be unreadable on Mac Netscape 4.7x.

DPH: <<last response>>: Your "timing" comment to Lain was such a no-brainer that I wanted to make a comment about AR-dwellers being stupid.

Mecord: << tries to poke a thousand holes into your writing style>>: I'm that bloke, and I've always been told that my comments are incredibly helpful. <<What happened to Kit and Doug that made them stop?>>: SJ and Pistoff bitched them out. It was ugly. <<penalizing if late is childish>>: Dead right. At college, they should treat you like the adults you are. At least that's what they do at Berkeley.

Warpmind: <<carry the Avalon Passage spell in my wallet>>: You don't know it by heart? <>: I did too, when I had a PC...3 years ago and zip drives weren't standard yet. Now, there's no reason not to have it built in. Just another area where M$ has slacked off because they CAN. <<disgusting pun which I won't repeat>>: Feel free to email me said pun? <<he's here, but we can't smell him?>>: Some of the people in this CR I can smell even from California.

Lain: <>: Sounds like it was a first experience for you 8-) <<milk-free condoms>>: Condoms have milk in them?

Fire Storm: I was ask "where the hell is FS?!". So now...where's yo' woman?!

Galvatron: <<timeline of events>>: Just how pathetic do you think we are?

Jannie: Cool talking to you too. <<boss walked in>>: I work by phone. Telecommuting, if you will. My boss is 3000 miles away. <<give you praise and glory>>: And if he believed THAT, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell him. <<give the USA an enima>>: That's funny, I'd stick it in the Bay Area.

Azrael: <<"So?">>: Sounds like what I say to non-customers of my tech support company. I don't blame you from being annoyed. Tech support is a very stressful job.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
-Robert A. Heinlein

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:46:40 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-172.nhwd02.pacbell.net

********Begin Work Rant*********

Okay, it's official. I really need to hurt someone. Badly. Really badly.

Two months ago (give or take maybe a week) I and twelve other poor souls volunteer for 3rd shift work. We move heaven and earth to meet our metrics (the call times, calls taken, calls resolved, ect.) for those two months and quickly become the best team on the floor. We are also the most tightly knit team on the floor.

Two weeks ago, a shiftbid was anounced. This means everybody comes in to work, and takes a shift, based on seniority, and will begin working that shift the following week. Our Team Manager (my direct supervisor) decides to go to bat for us and try to let us keep our present shifts. Some of the team don't have very much seniority, and so in a shift bid will almost certainly lose their shifts, since now everyone else wants to be 3rd shift. Our TM's supervisor, who is, coincidentally, in charge of said shift bid, says "good idea" and agrees to let us keep our shifts, at least until the next shift bid. Today, we recieved our shiftbid packetts.

Wait. "We?" "Our?"

Yes, the scum sucking pig of a suit decided that he didn't really need to be loyal to those of us who worked our butts off for him, and dropped the shift bid on us anyway.

But wait, there's more!

He also canned 3rd shift as we know it. So now, instead of being able to come in at 10 and work 'til 7, i will either have to come in around 5 and work til 2, or come in early in the morning and work 'til the afternoon.

I am much vexed.

With any luck, my TM will call the jerk on it and we'll get to keep our spots anyway, but I doubt it.

I guess we call it "St. Ream" for a reason after all...

**********End Work Rant***********

Thanks, and sorry for the rant, but I'm really hacked and have to get it off my chest before I take it out on some poor customer...

"My Computer doesn't work"
"So?"

Get the idea?

Later All
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:18:53 PM
IP: 63.170.182.2

You know, I need to find a cheaper hobby... these auctions are really killing my bank account..*L* I made the mistake of taking Anna with me to the last one O.o But, we had fun and I bought a lot of nifty things that I don't really need. ;)

Josh> it was too cool talking to you the other night! =) I half expected you to go into some "tech mumbo jumbo" because your boss walked in. ;) I had faith that you would be quick on your feet and then I would just sit here and follow along. Of course, it's not hard for me to fake computer ignorance.. hehe I AM computer retarded, afterall.
At least I was able to give you praise and glory to the guy who took the phone call from me.

OOoO The Gathering is drawing nearer!! *nervous giggle*
Does anyone know if you can or how you confirm an E-ticket? I don't want to get to the airport and find out there is some kind of problem that could have been taken care of before arrival.

Some of us are staying at a different motel that is only a couple of miles from the con hotel. If you'd like information, email me :)

Aaron> *sais* well bummer... doesn't sound like I will be receiving any jewelry *cries* ;)

Mecord> welcome back! I've missed your posts *nodnodnod* Nice wedding webpage too =)

Niamhgold> what kind of camp would you be working at? *forgot* I've taught Arts and Crafts for many years at Cub Scout day camp... hehe it was fun - when the horse flies weren't biting O.o Anna will be the Archery Director this year at the local Boy Scout camp outside of Springfield, MO.
(this is her final opportunity to clean her slate with the BSA organization) If she screws this up.. she and I are going to rumble *nods*

Time to go pack... I'm going to the panhandle of Oklahoma this weekend to see some family folk. Pray for me.
I swear that if they were going to give the USA an enima, they'd stick it in the Oklahoma/Kansas panhandle area.

Toto! Toto!
Jannie - [janmiller@mo-net.com]
Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:17:52 PM
IP: modem17-86.mo-net.com

Here's my e-mail address for anyone who wants to e-mail me.
Beth H. - [jpherit@pacbell.net]
Thursday, May 31, 2001 09:47:02 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

Anyone have a timeline of events in the tgs universe?
Galvatron
Thursday, May 31, 2001 05:44:20 PM
IP: 13-pool1.ras12.ilchi.tii-dial.net

It is with great sadness that I say I can no longer post in here. Work keeps me away from here, so I can't even visit this CR. The only times I can visit here is on my days off.

...

Hey... today IS my day off! So that means I may be able to read and post!
Cool!

Never mind the above! :)

More later.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, May 31, 2001 05:06:22 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

*enters*
yo warpmind, whats up? are you addicted to me or what ; ) TWO phonecalls yesterday? awwwww... i mean, not that i mind.. people phoning me is ALWAYS a plus just.. wondering..

oo and i worked yesterday YAHOO!! and then i went to class, and i was WIPED. so i went to bed and gunjack woke me at near 1 30 am with a phonecall about would i post something for him (which ill do in a sec) and then i went back to bed. then at 8am (or thereabouts) warpmind calls me and we have a chat, and i wake up and find some food. at which point o decide that being awake isnt all its cracked up to be and go back to bed till 1pm. lucky me. i still feel tired..
anyway, work was okay. i got to handle cash things (which id never done) and assist people and pretend i knew what i was talking about.. YAY! joy of all joys.
and shame of all shames, dad wont be coming down on friday to see me. he has a business meeting and will be mailing me the disks for the computer, claiming that the driver files might have been corrupted because of the way they were installed (what a shock).
AND hes gonna mail me my pentax camera YAHOO!!!!!!!!

*********************GUNJACK'S POST RE: A-KON*******************
so.. where y'all meeting? are y'all meeting somewheres so i can find y'all? if y'all are doing that, could y'all post where i can meet y'all?
****************END POST FOR GUNJACK.. IN A TEXAS ACCENT..************

gunjack>> check out kyryn's post before the wipe>> "Anyone who hasn't met me before and wants to meet at A-kon: ask a staffer for Beth from Guest Relations. Most of them will know who you're talking about. I can't guarantee that I'll have a lot of free time, but I look forwarded to seeing some folks at the con." however, i hope other people will respond to this and tell you wheres you can find the'all
; )
TICKET!!!!!!!!!!??!??!! : D : D : D : D *POUNCE-TACKLE-HUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
oh you, man, have MADE MY DAY!!!!!! but you know.. this is gonna make my closing quote for the day look... REALLY wierd... ; )
but i am REALLY happy.. i will find someplace for you to sleep.. and i wont fib about it, neither ; )
*lain leans in, gives a quick hug and a whisper about next wednesday and then leans back to admire her handiwork*
hee hee.. oh the POWER......
*waves to ben, and hugs shyly.. and wonders if the jennster ever posted that letter..*
: D

but i gotta run. class is soon and i need to get some food.. from somewhere..
oh.. and by the way..
"milk free condoms have been approved by the vegan society of america. damn.. there goes my old reliable excuse "im not a prude, im just lactose intolerant.."
-sandy campbell, the campbell file, this hour has 22 minutes
lain "you dont wanna know" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Thursday, May 31, 2001 04:49:04 PM
IP: 198.96.83.32

*Warpmind enters, grinning broadly, waving some sort of scientific-looking gizmo.*
I did it, and did I ever do it at that! For an animated, detailed, scientifically reconstructed portrayal of Sigmund Freud's brain, click my link! }:)

Aaron: So you keep that incantation in your wallet... Well, I guess I'm not all that nutso, then, as I seem to carry the Avalon Passage spell in my wallet... as well as my Ministerial Credentials... All magic is evil, according to the Church? I don't think so... };)

Dreamie: Hey, I don't have bosoms, okay? I don't even have fur! And, true, everything is dirty... And everything dirty is fun, when properly applied... (If it's not dirty, or fun, you're not doing it right, huh?) };) Oh, and noise ordinances? *Shrug* I dunno... a deck of cards can't be THAT noisy, can it? Oh, and that calling Lynati thing - I plea temporary sanity. I was worried when the last thing we'd heard from her was her having a concussion... Ya can guess why I called, then?

Josh: That's where we're VASTLY different, then - I quite ENJOY meddling with the command line. (That, and I have much better control of where the memory goes...) Oh, and one thing... *Grabs Josh by the collar and glares directly into his eyes.* I... Do... Not... Have... Bosoms. Capisce? If you don't believe me, I'll even go topless at The Gathering just to prove it! Not that I think it'll be necessary - but now all you ladies have an excuse to ask. };) Oh, and the Zip-drive thing - it's not standard, but, I really, really don't think it can be THAT difficult to add... Incidentally, I have a customized list for the sendto stuff - for instance, it's not the floppy drive, but a rather obscure, kind of disgusting pun which I won't repeat in front of this audience. };) (Windows\SendTo folder - just add any shortcut or change any name...)

DPH: You say Robby will be abscent for a few days? Is that, like, he's here, but we can't smell him? (My profound apologies to everyone, but there was no way to resist that one...)

Gunjack: You're alive! And now I know why you haven't been on MSN for so long...

Mec: A number of couples? Heh, you have no idea... }:) And as for self-insertion: a nice way to avoid total self-insertion is to give all your characters a little trait of your own - be it sheer bloody-mindedness, laziness, a perpetual hay fever, or whatever. It occasionally works. ;)

Well, that's about it... and I say once again, if you're interested in a graphical depiction of Sigmund Freud's brain (not his mind, there's a slight difference), do click my name.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, May 31, 2001 04:23:43 PM
IP: mp-217-212-160.daxnet.no

Thank you muchly for the update on what comes next.

Cheer! That it is timedancer =)

Sigh that it will be a short(only 13 episode) season.

Really looking forward to reading it.

silvadel
Thursday, May 31, 2001 03:55:04 PM
IP: r9yg031982aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com

*There�s a flash of green light, roughly in humanoid shape. When the light fades Mecord the elf is present.*

Hey all! Was just watching Galaxy Quest (I forgot how funny that show is) and got all hyped for the gathering. Between getting married and the gathering, not to mention getting away from work, annoying family, and Utah, this promises to be the best time of my life. And now that I�ve jinxed myself I will be carefully on the lookout for Murphy and his cohorts. *Quickly arms himself and calls for reinforcements and fortification. *

Thanks for the welcome back and for the comments about the wedding page. I�m eager to meet those of you that will be attending the gathering.

Tim Phipps>> Wow, all that firepower and training. Are you starting a militia, planning on attending WWIII, or did you get rescued from the Matrix?

Feedback>> I have to force my friends to give me feedback, I pester them with questions about each section of story. Do they like it, which parts worked, which parts were weak or confusing, etc�. otherwise I get some people who liked it and others that didn�t and that�s about the extent of it. But one should always be prepared for the bloke who come along and tries to poke a thousand holes into your writing style.

Josh>> <gruesome death> Naw, I just use replacement characters or write around the absence of me. Problem is, sometimes it changes the story just a little bit. So on occasion I�ve taken to wearing disguises in the stories so that I won�t recognize me when I edit. If I do discover me then Warpmind�s method usually works, <"You're me! Outside, NOW!">

Gside>> Ack! No RP? *shrugs* What happened to Kit and Doug that made them stop?

King vs. Koontz>> Don�t think I�ve read Koontz, and personally I don�t like King all that much.

Dreamie>> Looks like there will be a number of couples at the gathering. I look forward to meeting other people as strange as us. ;)

Timedancer>> September? Bit of a wait that. Oh well, gives me a chance to catch up on the Pendragon series.

Niamhgold>> Professors like that infuriate me. Attendance should not be a factor in grading. Frankly I think penalizing a student if he misses a class or is late is childish. Being ten minutes late has no bearing on how well the student learns and performs in the given subject. I�ve had classes where the teacher is basically worthless and the best way to learn the subject was to read the text, since that�s what he tested from anyway.

That�s it for now! Later!

*fades invisible while an armed escort and sharpshooters watch for Murphy with his list of laws. *

Mecord
Thursday, May 31, 2001 03:35:40 PM
IP: proxy1-external.logan1.ut.home.com

Gunjack> Don't forget me. I'll be getting to A-kon pretty much when it opens. I had some extra vacation time, so I'm taking Friday off. I'd love to meet some of you guys in person.

Skippy might be there, too. That'd be cool. I only saw him for a few minutes at Uncomoncon. I kinda' miss the big old Klingon.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, May 31, 2001 03:07:44 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

(And sorry as a double-post... HOORAY that I finally got a post through - I've been bounced several times recently. Fingers crossed it's permanent.)
Ed
Thursday, May 31, 2001 02:54:39 PM
IP: aca69d61.ipt.aol.com

Alan: Things with a difference, eh? I'm excited already!

(See what a bit of teasing publicity can do for you TGS people? Normal TV programmes have trailers and stuff - why not TGS?)
Ed
Thursday, May 31, 2001 02:53:24 PM
IP: aca69d61.ipt.aol.com

Dang! That worked! I can post again! GROOVY! *Slips a shank into DC for being shut out for the last week...*

Oh, and Lain? The ticket's in the mail. Now find me a place to sleep, eh?
Gunjack "What Makes That Guy Tick?" Valentine
Thursday, May 31, 2001 02:47:05 PM
IP: ac9bc38d.ipt.aol.com

Okay, the Skinny Man is here, I'm here, and the drunkard gets here in about four hours. T-minus 20 hours till the beginning of more big eyes and little mouths than the human mind was meant to comprehend! AKOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, Robby? Aaron? Kryryn? Any plans for meeting up at the Con?
Gunjack "...And Christmas Isn't Just About the Presents!" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Thursday, May 31, 2001 02:42:58 PM
IP: ac9bc38d.ipt.aol.com

Imzadi - what are you reference from your last response to me?

I'm betting the early wipe is because Robby will be abscent for a few days.

Galvatron - [starts with denial, which is an anagram of my first name] What Space Spawn war? I don't see any Space Spawn.

It's time to end this post. Maybe I will get around to devoting one entire post to catching everybody in the CR up to everything that is currently going on the CR. . . That'll be a long post.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, May 31, 2001 02:24:26 PM
IP: max1-60.cwy.cei.net

** Niamhgold enters, just like old times **

Hey, all! Isn't it a great day? Hmm, well, it's better than my day _yesterday_...

Had to go to the doctors for my yearly check-up, y'know, and I wanted them to do some hormone level tests (I just wanted to make sure that cholesterol and stuff were okay, since I'm such a hypochondriac ;) ) Now, I _know_ that they have to draw blood with a needle, and I've never had problems with needles before (you can stick me with novacaine, tetnus, etc, and I won't flinch). But this time, for some reason, I passed out. And it wasn't because I saw them take blood--I blanked out minutes before the needle even came *near* me! (I hadn't even seen the needle yet!) So, they couldn't take the bloodwork because I was out for ten seconds before I came to, and they want me to come back later. Ugh...this has only happened twice before in my entire life; once, during a 20-min Chemistry presentation and I panic-attacked and fell to the floor, and once when I was stretching a canvas, the stretcher bar cut across my arm, and as I was standing at the sink I blacked out. Sheesh, I'm starting to feel like Tony on the Sopranos! ;)

But today is, thankfully, a mild day. Went to a job interview, which went well, now I have to pick between two...Arts and Crafts and design work for a campground, or design/web page work at a graphic design company? Gotta decide by tomorrow...

Well, enough of my ranting! On to replies ;)

Josh Wurzel: <In college, it matters not> Unfortunately, in my college, it matters greatly. Since we have studio classes with sixteen kids or less, the teachers will mark you down a grade if you (A) don't show up or (B) come in late or leave early. Happened to my friend Chris; she did all of her work (exceptionally, I might add!) but she skipped once and got a D. Happened to me in my Art History class--the reason my teacher said I got an A- instead of an A+ was because I "was ten minutes late on the last Thursday in March." Ugh. ;) I wish I had some easy-to-skip lectures or something. <site> You're still having trouble with it? Hmmm...I can't seem to find any problems...ah, well, everyone's servers/browsers are different. Mine's tremendously picky about Ebay...everything always comes up as a broken link.

Winterwolf: Got your e-mail! Will respond to it promptly ;) And, never fear...your guestbook posts are approved and waiting to be viewed ;)

Dreamie: Will hopefully have an email to you in a (ahem) _Jiffy_ ;P

** Yawn ** well, that's all I have in me for now. Time to crawl back in bed and sleep!

Adios
Niamhgold
Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:36:26 AM
IP: lac-flex249.ncia.net

Wow. Now I feel all special and the like. Anyways, here's an offical TGS announcment:

Season four of Timedancer is currently in production, meaning it's being written as I type this. After baring through a couple of months of breakdowns and story planning, we are aiming at a September air date for the series. While we don't have a specific date yet, be assured one will be given as we draw closer to September. We're doing a couple of things different this season, especially with one episode, and we think this season is going to be the best yet. Season four will be thirteen episodes, and will pick up where the end of season three left you all hanging. That's the only information we're going to give out, so take it how you want to.

Start the vague countdowns whenever you please. Official TGS business is now over...
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:11:55 AM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

10th! -- just because I'm here.

****Kyryn vanishes to A-kon.****
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Thursday, May 31, 2001 09:06:19 AM
IP: dallas-208-187-64-183.safepages.com

*peeks in*

Huh? Wiped in the middle of the week? Okay... ninth..... cause double posts don't count. Sorry, Josh :)

Josh> <<Why the hell isn't the zip drive there?>> Well - seems Microsoft never thought about it. But why don't you add it? With Windows 95/98 it's <WindowsDir>/SendTo, with Windows NT it's <WindowsDir>/Profiles/<YourProfile>/SendTo Simply add a link to the ZIP-Drive (or any other destination or program) and it'll appear in the SendTo - menu. It's just not automated....

*disappears again, whistling happily*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Thursday, May 31, 2001 04:35:36 AM
IP: mailgate.ais-gmbh.de

And, in the style of Rammstein...

NINE!

oooh goody! New machine for me to use at my dad's office so I can do my work much faster! You should see the program my dad's company has for making his product...its massive and bloated...and you can't even image how slow it is on a 150 MHz machine with 16MB of ram.

****Shameless plug*****
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If you're (happy, Gside?) interested, check out www.axisproductions.com

Christine and Dreamie...this is for you...whoever hosts your sites oughta be shot considering how cool they are
****End shameless plug****

Okay, someone explain this little oddity of windows to me: you know right-clicking a file and getting the "send to" sub-menu? The one with the floppy, my docs, etc. Why the hell isn't the zip drive there? Especially when most PC's come with zip drives these days (for reasons which are beyond my comprehension).

Gside: <<At least I know my...>>: I know them, I just don't proofread all the time.

Warpmind: <<the command prompt>>: OS X has a command prompt, but I highly doubt that most mac users will ever use it. Personally, I don't see all the fuss over it. I was DOS-god before I was a mac user. When 95 came around, I still found myself in DOS frequently. But for some reason, I found macOS to have decently pulled off a useable GUI. Not that its perfect...but I like it better than mucking around with a command line. <>: Ditto. <<you're too biased about my person>>: ::groan:: <<cavities>>: ouch.

Patrick, Kathy, gathering crew: is there a way to cancel a registration i've paid for and get my $$ back?

DPH: <<it must be the timing>>: And you say we can't make fun of AR in here?!

Aaron: <<Besides save a file to floppy?>>: No, they can do that too. You just need a) an external floppy drive or b) a floppy drive on a networked machine (lets here it for built-in default ethernet!). <<why the slogan>>: Again, I thought it was "how could 2 months salary last forever" Though personally I prefer the ad with one shadow doing something lewd to the other shadow with the caption "DeBeers. Because she'll pretty much have to."

Galvatron: <<when is timedancer coming out>>: Never. Don't even ask. No one knows. And when I say "no one", either a) that includes the TGS staff or b) the TGS staff does know but they're not telling. <<gonna be longer>>: God I hope so. Longer seasons means more eps! <<Space spawn>>: Don't assume anything WILL happen.

Greg X: <<space spawn>>: An interesting question. The Space Spawn War is Greg W's idea, and though TGS was inspired by his original masterplan, I think we can sufficiently say that it has deviated from it...A LOT. Maybe you guys will really circle-jerk us and not even put the Spawn in there. When the TGS staff asked what we'd like to see in TD, no one mentioned space spawn...

Dreamie: <<probably never will happen>>: Have faith. <<he's not sharing>>: Well, if we have to kill him to make Gargoyles come back to TV, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make ;-). <<why warpmind had bosoms>>: Maybe he does, and that's why he locked himself up in Norway. Many men often say "if I had a rack I'd never leave the house" (not me, though...I just need a good computer and a high-speed connection to not leave the house). <<cans of whip cream>>: I do have a can of unused chocolate whipped-cream...but you can't have it. I'll buy you some of the normal stuff as thanks. <<Endless fun, that>>: But doesn't taste as good as chocolate. <<Behold the majesty of my 4.0>>: Bitch! I could trump you with my UC GPA, which is a special rating...but that's subjective. I hope you had a life in high school. <<Anything's dirty if you think about it>>: Some stuff sounds dirty without thinking about it. <<stick a tongue at?>>: In? I rarely stick my tongue out at donut holes...unless they're being particularly annoying. <<but I'm scared>>: Better to be safe than sorry when the forces of Cobra arise. <<Oberon Pic>>: YES! Beautiful! I think you may have inspired me to call my new laptop "Avalon".

Only two things are infinite, the universe and stupidity -and I'm not sure about the former.
-Albert Einstein

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Thursday, May 31, 2001 01:38:34 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-203.nhwd02.pacbell.net

*peeks in*

8th... does that still count?

*looking at Dreamie's link*

Hmmm... Image hidden away by Angelfire... Let's see...

*edits wwwoffle configuration, adding a line*

Ha, gotcha!

My thoughts on fanfic writing:
Somehow I got to see that it is quite difficult to continue writing when there are absolutely no replies. Normally I would say 'no news are good news', but on the other hand I'm still glad that there is a counter for each story showing the number of accesses....

Most interesting that the more spicy stories majorly have _many_ more accesses than the others... :)

Rikan
Thursday, May 31, 2001 01:35:09 AM
IP: esndi7-213-023-000-207.arcor-ip.net

Oddly enough, there isn't anything I feel like responding to. Therefore this post is more as a marker to me beween days.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, May 31, 2001 01:33:57 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Dreamie: Link doesn't work. Has one of those "hosted by angelfire" pics.
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:45:33 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-242.nhwd02.pacbell.net

6th.
What's with the wipe?
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:33:03 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

5th!
^_^

(Imzadi: Oberon link below)
Dreamie
Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:26:51 AM
IP: acb590ca.ipt.aol.com

Fourth!!
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Williams Lake, BC, Canada
Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:17:25 AM
IP: 204.244.52.54

Third

Real post to follow (duh)
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:26:54 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-242.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Second?
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip
Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:21:29 PM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net

*looks around* ummm hello?
Jannie
Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:05:06 PM
IP: modem19-171.mo-net.com