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After a three-hour service at the temple this morning, my brother is offically a bar mitzvah. Yes, he's a man (scary, huh?). It was a beautiful sevice and he sang his torah portion flawlessly and carried most of the songs himself. It was nice seeing relatives I haven't seen in years, and introducing my best friend Mike to most of them, watching as he futilely tried to make the family tree connections between everyone he met.

Last night, after the service and dinner, I went to Universal to see Tomb Raider. I read a review in the L.A. times that called the movie "flat" (direct quote). Now, there are a lot of ways you can describe a movie as being bad, but I can't figure out how ANYONE could use the word "flat" to describe THIS movie (if you have trouble understanding why, email me and I'll draw a picture for you).

Anyway, the movie rocked. It had Angelina Jolie, big breasts, and guns. The only thing I would have liked more of is fire-ball type explosions, but oh well, can't have everything (starship troopers!).

And here's something interesting in light of recent debate in here: the rabbi's sermon was about the Death Penalty. The Jewish religion is in favor of the death penalty: "If you spill another's blood, then your blood must be spilt" eye for an eye type thing. The reason for this, according to the Torah, is that we are all created in the divine image (well, I know I am, I dunno about Rosie O'Donnell ;-) so its a capital sin to go around hurting each other because its like attacking god (this, apparently, is a no-no). So the rabbi declared himself in favor of the death penalty in concept, but its practice (especially in this country) leaves much to be desired. And together we say...DUH.

What are yaoi?

Spacebabie: <<beavis and butthead>>: LOL. <<zitney spears>>: Long live acutane!

Jannie: <<don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining>>: Better not turn around at the gathering... <<you speak to me on the phone>>: Oops, my bad.

Yooper: I don't think manslaughter warrants a life sentence, mostly because manslaughter is often unintentional or in defense. Vehicular manslaughter (aka drunk driving deaths), however, should get the chair in my mind.

Jaden: <<Spending the majority of ones life in a small cell would seem like a real punishment>>: I'm more interested in protecting society than necessarily punishing the offender. I think taking life away is quite a punishment, but in capitol cases, I think its necessary for the sake of protecting the other innocents from possible escape, etc.

Gside: <<And especially what they're not wearing>>: Some girls look better dressed than undressed...its amazing what clothes can hide/alter. <<round squares, multiprotoned hydrogen>>: Those don't exist because they contradict their definitions. <<I don't rank?>>: Sorry, you'll just never be as cool as THIS engineer! ;-) That's why civil is better than anything else: we get to be on Lain's list of favorite guys 8-) <<it adds illusury length>>: There's nothing illusory about it 8-) And this is getting R-rated... <<I can actually type with my wounded hand>>: If you had any skill you could type with one hand. Its an infinitely useful skill.

Aaron: <<And vinyl. Don't forget vinyl>>: Interesting tidbit of information: my dad's manufacturing firm specializes in custom vinyl products (binders, not clothes!). My dad is often referred to as "the king of vinyl"...and you can guess what that makes me...

Traveler: <<I am actually the manifestation of your combined insanity>>: So where were you when I FIRST started posting? ;-) <<we're Republicans, it's expected>>: Really!? In that case, prouder than ever to be a republican! <<puts on a pair of sunglasses>>: Whoa! Your future's so bright you gotta wear shades too? <<into exposing what a... well the term I want to use is forbidden in the CR>>: Huh? <<There now, go ahead and do it>>: Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers. And now, as they say... ::blows massive raspberry at Traveler::. <<SOULY on the whim of your 'feelings'>>: How is it that you think national policies are formed!? <<you would have to be God>>: Well, I don't like to brag. <<No one special>>: Which is why I said that. <<So unless you want to hack the Gibson>>: Mess with the best, die like the rest. <<Long Live the *BSD's>>: Thank you for indirectly supporting OS X. <<TWO fission bombs on two of their population centers>>: We didn't drop them there BECAUSE they were population centers. They were centers of war materiel production, THAT's why we dropped there. We were never out to kill civilians until the actual invasion of Japan became necessary, because we predicted that the Japanese would fight to the last man, literally. <<a second dropped so soon after the first?>>: They refused to surrender after the first. That was their own damn fault. When someone nukes your @$$, you say "okay I give up!". <<So we have a firearms hating, Mac loving, Berkeley Computer Science student who's also a republican>>: One, I'm not a computer science student, never said I was. Two, there are lots of mac-loving computer science students. Three, there are berkeley students who are republicans, there's even a club of them (I'm not a member of said club). Four, I'm not your typical right-winger. I'm just slightly right of the center, THAT's why I call myself a republican (and am registered as such). I favor defense spending, I favor lower taxes for the rich, but I'm also in favor of abortion, gun control, the death penalty. <<which one is a crime against the tech gods?>>: I'm not going to accept that as a crime. Macs are great computers and I'll defend my use of one to my dying breath. As for you, mr. BSD's rock, you should know that our operating system is BUILT on BSD. So eat it.

Warpmind: <<reasonably easy to locate *someone* who can rent out medieval weapon replicas>>: Best of luck with that. <<I shall personally realign your skeletal configuration>>: I don't react to threats made my fellow computer (l)users. So I suggest you stuff them. I'll acknowledge lynati's existence when I shake her hand. No sooner. Remember, that list was "people I'm fairly certain exist", not "people I'm sure are real". Wait a minute! Lynati IS on that list! So you can really take your opinions and stuff them.

FS: <<I hate philosophy!>>: I'd like to again take this opportunity to remind everyone that I got a B+ in ethics, because I cheated. <<before anyone or thing can stop him>>: I hereby declare that the least useful evolutionary feature of men. <<Come, see the air!>>: We have a saying in LA: "Don't trust air you can't see". <<I would *NEVER* advocate file piracy>>: That's okay, as long as you support it privately ;-) <<is ONLY $178?!>>: Maybe she's not very good. <<since you read that post directed to Wilek, you ARE Wilek!>>: That simultaneously makes me every poster in the CR! <<the hevens did split and blood flowed down from the sky>>: The sky cracks open and god himself will reach his f*cking arm through, just to push you down... <<And once you know, it's not very hard>>: Will you tell me how?

Okay folks, that's all for now. I gotta shower before the party for my little bro. Gosh, I'm so proud of the little bugger.

Think positive. Sooner or later, everyone you hate will die.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Saturday, June 16, 2001 04:07:03 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-130.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Can anyone in here reccomend a website or book that can help me create a computer-based anemometer?

Actually... I would be happy of any sites or books that could help me design circuits that would allow me to input analog data into my computer. (sensors that give data either by increases in voltage and/or changes in frequency)
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, June 16, 2001 02:36:30 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

<<<<Splitrock.net serves the Austin area, I believe... >>>

If you look closely the IP address is bflo.splitrock.net If you add a few letters, you get buffalo.splitrock.net I am not that person, I am not for sure who the guy that you seem to dispise is but I am using my real name. It is not a fake even though my last name is Toy. Some people think I am Chinnese when they hear my name, others think it is spelled incorrectly. The word Toy is actually a German word and that is where my family came from. If you really want to get to know me and be sure that I am who I say I am, contact me online with Yahoo Messenger(User Name: toyet24).

Edward Toy


Edward Toy - [toyet24@yahoo.com]
West Seneca, New York, United States
Saturday, June 16, 2001 02:31:07 PM
IP: a010-0285.bflo.splitrock.net

<<<< "Edward Toy"> Tell me, why does someone in Buffalo NY have an IP address from The Woodlands, Texas? Splitrock.net serves the Austin area, I believe...
>>>>>

The reason that my IP address is there, I don't know for sure. I use a dial-up internet service called prodigy. I know that when you use a dial up, you never have the same IP address every time you log on. So maybe they have a server located in Texas and put me on that IP address for that particular session.

Edward Toy

Edward Toy - [toyet24@yahoo.com]
West Seneca, New York, United States
Saturday, June 16, 2001 02:06:16 PM
IP: a010-0285.bflo.splitrock.net

<<<<As for the being who may be "Doug" but posted as "Edward Toy"- What school did you get you CIS degree from? Who were some of your teachers? Chances are I know them, and if I don't I can find out from friends. >=] >>>>

I went to Buffalo State College. Some of my profesors include Naeher, Lin, Scott, Clark, Wertz, Sherman, Nowakowshi. Some of my spelling of their names are wrong but that is most of the CIS department. I am defentinly a real person. You could even search Buff State's directory(you need to know a student's user name and password to search, try your friend). I have been creating a web site that may be moved soon because of the homestead problems. http://xmencollectors.homestead.com/files/index.html It is not much now, but I am still compliling the information.

Edward Toy


Edward Toy - [toyet24@yahoo.com]
West Seneca, New York, United States
Saturday, June 16, 2001 02:02:11 PM
IP: a010-0285.bflo.splitrock.net

Aaron: <Jeez, I'd hate to have to wear a sweaty fursuit all day anyway, but to do it wearing some stranger's underwear...>
MOMMY! Mickey smells gunny!

Gside: <Not necessarialy.>
I hate philosophy!
<Which I say follows from biology.>
Very true. I mean, it is in the biology to have the male able to 'complete' as soon as possible before anyone or thing can stop him.
<Nah, that was just the effect of the atmosphere here>
Perhaps you are right.
Ah, Manhattan. Come, see the air!
<Yup. Two. The local didn't kick in to the full depth, though.>
No heavy lifting. Or deathmatching. Sorry, but Tribes 2 is TOTALLY out of the question!
<Since I didn't get aeal job for the summer, I have been "hired" to do various maintenance tasks>
Well, I hope you learned your lesson! NEVER do physical labor!
<I think it's been done before, though I don't fully approve>
Figured. So, I will just post it in here! ;)
<Nope, but it is small enough to fit on a floppy>
*GASP!* I would *NEVER* advocate file piracy...
Now, is that in ZIP form? ;)

Imzadi: <Such a game would have to star Demona>
Hmm... I don't know... I think Sata would be better.
Aw, heck, lets just have them ALL in it! Different levels with different ladies!
<I could never share underwear. That's just gross>
Agreed.
<When there's garg stuff to talk about (new eps, etc), we do. Would you rather this room be like the s8 CR? All boring with people only posting once in a blue moon?>
Yes! ;)
<I think she's lying and got that money from prostitution>
The only thing wrong with that is ONLY $178?!? Canadian, even!

Fleur Rine: <TTFN!>
I KNEW it! Welcome back!

Todd: <Do we know FOR CERTAIN, as in, actual proof (whether by a confession from Doug or anything else) that Kit is just an alias of his as opposed to an actual person, or are we just guessing, based on circumstantial evidence?>
We do not know for absolute certian. To be honest, other than a confession, is it POSSIBLE to find out one way or another?

Warpmind: <So essentially, you say that celebs inspire gossip?>
More or less, yes.
<Hmmm... maybe *that* explains the brief debate on me having bosoms... ;)>
All I know is that I do not want to know!
<Oh, and you've done something I haven't seen for far too long... you've confused me with Wilek... ;)>
I... meant to do that! You see, I am testing to see if you really ARE Wilek, and since you read that post directed to Wilek, you ARE Wilek!
Dang, I am good!
<Look out, America, 'cause here I come!>
And lo, the hevens did split and blood flowed down from the sky, for it was the end of the world as we knew it.
And I felt hungry.
<I cannot prove my existence>
I am reminded of trying to prove LM's sisters existance to the Secretary of State!

Lain: Glad to see that you survived that whole ordeal. Sorry that you had to lose your violin over it, though.

Christine: <Becca's not a bad typer and a pretty good little 'net surfer for only 6, but as far as I know, she's only relayed a few messages for me to say hi to people.>
Or maybe it was that!

DPH: <How hard is it to fake an IP address in this CR? NO, don't say how to fake it.>
It is possible. And once you know, it's not very hard.

Traveler: Welcome back!
<Anyway I think you're all putting WAY too much though into this Doug/Kit thing.>
Agreed. I think I already said too much about it.
But I *REALLY* don't care! Sure, I may think about it every so often, but having a conversation about it...
<*I* am the ONLY one to date who has ever successfully killed the CR>
Although Lady Mystic probally came close a few times!
BTW... do you know if that post is in the archives?
<You say you saw a picture of "Kit", but was Doug with her in the picture? Ahhh...>
No, but does that honestly prove anything? I had my picture taken with Ronald Regan and that doesn't mean I ever MET him! Heck, I can put myself in a picture with Marilyn Monroe!
<I think I might name my next computer "UNIVAC_Prime" In homage UNIVAC and Optimus Prime. Hehehe>
To me my computer, no matter what network name I give it, will forever and always be HAL.

Green Baron: DUDE! You ARE alive!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Saturday, June 16, 2001 12:41:31 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

Greetings to all. I hope all is well. Me, I'm graduating from AIT next Friday when I become a full-fledged Finance Soldier. The weeks have been better than basic, though I would have enjoyed more mail. Thanks to Bronx, Heather, and Xena Trek for writing me, as well as Doug and Kit. Most of you know my beloved Attila died, so I will not be resuming the RPs, though I hear they are dead, with Doug and Kit withdrawing from them.

I may be a while in Ft. Jackson, since Airborne training may not start until 6 days after graduation, then I'm off to Ft. Bragg, NC.

Also today is the birtdhay of the Finance Corps, since the first Paymaster General was appointed 125 years from today. I don't have too much time to really read the rest of the CR since my internet time is limited, but I wanted to wish all of you well.

SPC Thomas Forsyth, the Green Baron proudly serving the Finance Corps for the United States ARMY.

BTW,

Starsinger and Lain> I await mail form you two.

Everyone else> I send guilt trips to all of you who didn't write though my address was posted by my battle buddy :p


Green Baron
Ft Jackson, South Carolina
Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:28:15 AM
IP: slip-32-102-59-183.sc.us.prserv.net

*Warpmind enters, lugging an excessively large solid suitcase with the words "Deus Ex Machina" stickered onto the front, just below the code dials. He promptly begins skimming over an inventory list.* Check, check, check, no check yet; mom's yet to put it in jars... check, check, check, check, Visa, check, check... Yup, seems that short of red currant jam and chocolate for Lynati, I'm just about as ready as can be... YAY! *Grins unethically* Look out, America, 'cause here I come!

Well, now that that's almost 100% ready, I have some more spare time before Wednesday...

Lain: So how much you gonna bet that Moochie's still gonna be sleepy when I mention you seducing Sigourney Weaver, huh? };) Oh, and as for that shaving accuracy thing... well, I *could* blame Asperger's, which does cause somewhat reduced motoric skills. Or, I could just say that I'd positively *love* to see you shave your head then, fully well knowing that both Lynati AND Moochie would probably kill me for it... I think I'll just blame Asperger's and leave it at that, huh? };)

Revel: Just let me get something straight here... the triple room is for three days, right? Friday to monday is three days, right?

Proof I exist... hmmm... A true conspiracy nut cannot be convinced that his assumptions are wrong, so I cannot prove my existence. However, I *do* have a copy of the ID page of my passport (as well as my passport, of course), so I suppose I *do* have valid identification, should someone press the issue...

Christine: Trust me, I have nothing in particular against that David Bowie movie... except for maybe Bowie's character. (Not Bowie himself; I respect an artist who literally sells himself - on the stockmarket!) The plot's a bit thin, but that magnificently designed labyrinth makes up for *that* - fair gave me a few unethical ideas of my own for a door-to-door salesman repellant system... };) Oh, and too bad about those writing contest readings... I'm not too shy, but I'd just fumble too often; I'm far from opposed to make a fool of myself in public, but there is such a thing as too much, y'know. (Which is kind of why I never hold long speeches.) But I'm sure we can lure some confident fool into reading the winning entries, huh? ;)

Aaron: I do hope you're not planning to wear those collars at your wedding... or at least, if you are, please, PLEASE no leashes... (Seriously.) As for directing you to those ladies I mentioned... uh, well... hmmm... NOT in the CR... (Remember those commissions Mara did for me?)

Josh: No, I will under no circumstances have trouble getting the sword'n'chainmail into America... since I plan to rent it in LA. After all, in Universal City it should be reasonably easy to locate *someone* who can rent out medieval weapon replicas... right? (For that matter, there's even gonna be an armorer with a booth at the Gathering, too, right?) Oh, and regarding only the ones with ovaries being able to get away with such questions - I was referring to public or semi-public locations. Not in private. Oh, and you better add Lynati to your list. If not, I shall personally realign your skeletal configuration. Deal? };)

Yooper: You've been to Vegas? Let me guess... you went in a 20,000$ car and came home in a 200,000$ Greyhound bus? };)

Gside: "To prove that white crows exist, you do not need to find a hundred... one is enough."

Well, that about sums up my post... and in just one and a half hour (not even fully that), End of Days is on TV. YAY! (And I finally got around to seeing "Inspector Gadget" earlier today. YAY! I know what I'll have done should I ever wind up in a full-body cast... a combination of the good and bad Gadget... all the fun gizmos, all the guns. ALL the guns. And a more efficient self-test and internal diagnosis system.) Well, that's it. Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:12:40 AM
IP: mp-217-209-171.daxnet.no

Hey all. I have no clue what the topics of discussion are, I only stopped by and caught Traveler's latest post.

<<<The whole "Germany has no right... blah blah... death penalty.. blah blah". I disagree, they do have a right. And SJ the reason you (I think it was you who said this...) mentioned that took place 50 years ago doesn't really hold water. Why? They admit it happened. They teach what happened in their schools and some classes take field trips to the camps from what I understand.>>>

From what I've heard, Germany DOESN'T acknowledge it. At least not completely. There was some form of poll taken that said the average German school kid didn't know what Auschwitz (sp?) was. I remember finding it very disturbing, almost as disturbing as some other polls reported in the same paper, The Plain Dealer, that came off like 'The Dark Side' of Jay Leno's Jaywalker sketch. Basically, teenagers were asked to match renowned figures of history with their country of origin. The ones I remember are Hitler/Germany, Napolean/France, and Mussilini/Italy. The percentage that got them right was... well, I can't recall figures, but they were bad. Like, surreal bad.

Anywho... something to chew on, or spit out and stomp on contemptuously.
Entity
Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:54:28 AM
IP: nic-30-c5-215.mw.mediaone.net

I too have a confession to make.

I do not truly exist, I am actually the manifestation of your combined insanity and sanity that Wilek's been collecting for all these years. >=))

God this must be why I can never really leave this place... it's like some god damn greek tragedy almost every day of the week. Great entertainment value always brings me back I guess... *heheheh*

Well, that and SJ's rants... those in and of themselves are reason enough. *heheheh* Damn you still have a sharp wit and twisted sense of humor. But then we're Republicans, it's expected. >:))

Anyway I think you're all putting WAY too much though into this Doug/Kit thing. There's a VERY simple way of determining if there ever was a Lisa Tellman that knew Doug and posted in this room. We have the logs of this CR from almost all the way back to the beginning. Just go through "Kit's" posts and copy down the email address listed. Were they all *.hotmail or some other anonymous internet mail account? Or was a University of Texas email address ever listed? I KNOW Doug gave out HIS UofT email address a few times... *Traveler watches as the light bulbs *POP* on over everyone's heads* heehhe damn that's bright... *puts on a pair of sunglasses* Better.

Now as for the investigative work that WAS put into this by the CR admins, they must be applauded for going through QUITE a few lines of text gathering evidence to either prove or disprove Kit's existence. This just shows that even by some slight chance they are wrong, they at very least feel extremely responsible towards the CR and that we are lucky to have them as admins. So even if "Kit" does exist as part of Doug's life, I would not want ANY of the current admins to step down.

As for the being who may be "Doug" but posted as "Edward Toy"- What school did you get you CIS degree from? Who were some of your teachers? Chances are I know them, and if I don't I can find out from friends. >=]

CrzyDemona- Oh but Crzy, you so crazy! That's why this room needs your influence. ;P heheheh
Oh and: <<You killed the comment room?? I don't think I could ever give you that much credit. As much as you would like the title, you aren't getting it from me. Sorry dude. Now... put DOWN the crack pipe! Step away... slowly... good boy.>>

Quite right.

In the words of Aaron: <<Traveler> What do you mean, remember you? Dude, you're a legend. You wrote a post so long it *broke* the freaking room.>> *sigh* It's so nice to be remembered... I’m not joking it really is.

*I* am the ONLY one to date who has ever successfully killed the CR. And I wasn't even trying. >;))
I also successfully manipulated the person known as PAN (Paul Allen Nathens) or whatever his name was into exposing what a... well the term I want to use is forbidden in the CR.... Oh but after I did, I just sat back and watched the whole room tear into him like a bunch of Tasmanian devils with a serious bloodlust! Ha-HA that was fun too! And PAN accused me of not being human... hehehe... >;]

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel- I think we'll have to end up agreeing to disagree on the firearms subject, but I have three things I'd like to say first.

<<Don't dare me to do anything. Don't challenge my intellect, because I am quite capable of forming an opinion and supporting it with nothing more than my own feelings. I don't need anything else.>> I dare you, sir, to say: "Rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers" 10 times FAST. There now, go ahead and do it. Next, that part about forming opinions and defending them with nothing more than your *FEELINGS*? Please, please tell me you were exaggerating. I refuse to believe you would push to change national policy based SOULY on the whim of your 'feelings'... let alone defend an argument with nothing but that. You can't do that, NO ONE can, in order to do so you would have to be God. Or a Satanist. Plus you said you were <<No one special. Just a guy with an opinion.>> So I'd say neither unless there's something you're not telling us... *hehehehe* >;P

Last we have:
<<Now I suggest you take your holier-than-thou attitude...>> Holier? WRONG way dude... *maniacal chuckle*

Now that that's done with, no Josh you can not break the CR. At least not the way I did... see, they fixed that after I did it. *LOL* So unless you want to hack the Gibson... >;) Also you doubted Wilek's existence... if you would have been here as long as I have, and seen what I have seen from Wilek's posts... That's just not something anyone can just make up or imitate... You don't believe me just ask the admins for all of the archived CR logs. That boy is 8 ways from sanity. hehehe

<<Linux is only free if your time is worthless.
-hyoo, slashdot.org>> And THAT's going in my quote file... Long Live the *BSD's!!!

lain- *scratches his head* What about my IP address makes you chuckle so?

Fire Storm: You say you saw a picture of "Kit", but was Doug with her in the picture? Ahhh...

Also about UNIVAC I, I think I might name my next computer "UNIVAC_Prime" In homage UNIVAC and Optimus Prime. Hehehe

The whole "Germany has no right... blah blah... death penalty.. blah blah". I disagree, they do have a right. And SJ the reason you (I think it was you who said this...) mentioned that took place 50 years ago doesn't really hold water. Why? They admit it happened. They teach what happened in their schools and some classes take field trips to the camps from what I understand. We (the United States) made our own “boo-boo's” such as the forced relocation and internment of our citizens of Japanese decent when war broke out. And no matter how we rationalize it, we DID drop not just one but TWO fission bombs on two of their population centers. From certain interviews and other sources one bomb the citizenry understood, but a second dropped so soon after the first? This question still weighs upon some people. I'm not saying we were wrong, or right at the moment but we admit that we did do that.

Japan however... has yet to admit ANYTHING, let alone include it in their children's text books. That's not just what they did to our POW's the British and any other Allied soldiers that were captured. That's including what their army did while occupying a large chunk of China. If anyone here does not know what I'm talking about, you have some reading to do.

But that is all 50 years ago and I like Anime and German beer. They go well together, maybe that's really why they allied. Why we all don't get drunk together and kick some politicians heads in is beyond me. (Okay, it isn't beyond me, but it would be nice if it was that simple you know?) *remembers Desert Storm* Oh wait we did... never mind.

Aaron- Splitrock isn't just a local Texas based ISP. How do I know? I work for an ISP who buys POP dialup server space from them among other companies such as UUNet, Sprint, WorldCom, and a few others you've probably never heard of. >:))

SJ- <<"I" have almost got them thinking that "you" really are a Berkeley student with a passion for Macs….or maybe it's "you" who has done the convincing….see, now "we" are getting confused. It's the first inconsistency! I hope they aren't taking notes…>> Actually here's another one; he said in a previous post that he was a Republican too. So we have a firearms hating, Mac loving, Berkeley Computer Science student who's also a republican.

Which one of these things does not fit at all and which one is a crime against the tech gods? >;P

Fleur Rine- DAR-LING!!! It's been so long!!! Have a flame thrower!! The last one I gave you is probably WAY past it's expiration date.... heheh... Better “safely” dispose of it… How have things been going for you down in poison animal land AKA the paradise known as Australia? And any more fics in progress? >;)
Traveler
Saturday, June 16, 2001 01:07:36 AM
IP: ny-hamburg1a-283.buf.adelphia.net

Let's see. I'm still not sure I haven't proved the point that I am not someone else's make believe character. My IP address should prove that point. How hard is it to fake an IP address in this CR? NO, don't say how to fake it.

Galvatron - Who says it is a good time for New Olympus to expose itself to the world in the TGS universe. If anything, I'd bet they wouldn't expose themselves to the rest of the world for a couple hundred years. Bad Guys? huh? never heard of that proposed spin-off.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, June 15, 2001 11:03:50 PM
IP: max1-16.cwy.cei.net

Imzadi> <<There are some girls who look good no matter what they're wearing>>: And especially what they're not wearing.
<<Do I have to do it in that order?>>: The third tends to follow naturally from proper application of the first two, and it's nice to have a little buffer of the first to absorb a bit of the second.
<<I personally don't believe that you do>>: At least the second statement in an implication can be true if the first is false.
<<Someone ELSE declaring openly that they have trouble pleasing women>>: That has yet to be proven either way. I was basing it entirely from a theoretical standtpoint.

Warpind> <<something I haven't seen for far too long... you've confused me with Wilek>>: I say that's entirely Wilek's fault (the long time, not the confusing).
<<Proving that something does NOT exist is logically impossible>>: Given a proper definition, with a thorough listing of traits, it could be possible, especially if you are talking about an entire class of objects (round squares, ether, multiprotoned hydrogen...). The problem comes when you are talking about specific instances of objects.

Lain> <<my four favourite guys (aka my widdle moochie, warps, josh and you)>>: I don't rank? And you even have all my stalking information. Like it was hard to get. Maybe I should take it off the Rutgers infodex.

Aaron> <<It's only a flesh wound!>>: I wanted to say it, but help off because I wasn't sure ow deep it ran.
<<something like "I'll wager anything from dollars to
donuts that>>: Hum. I thought it was more representative of relative betting amounts, like "Dollars gets you donuts..."
<<And vinyl. Don't forget vinyl>>: I prefer the consistancy digital gives you. And I'm rather sure bit rot is slower than erosive needles.

Imzadi> <<People might start to wonder>>: They just accept it with me.
<<not that I shave anything other than my face>>: Sure. I hear many like it, and it adds illusury length.

Spacebabie> Condolences for your aunt.

I can actually type with my wounded hand. Woot. Still won't feel comfortable using the thumb until after the stitches some out. Random joke: I heard a business proposition (really. At band, from a kiltie alto engineer who was working for a pharmacutical company or somesuch) a while back for a self service suture store. It would be called Suture Self.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, June 15, 2001 10:32:52 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

...
Anonymous
Friday, June 15, 2001 09:26:54 PM
IP: 222.chicago-43-44rs.il.dial-access.att.net

Hey friends. Well the Army has the its new head gear now. I don't really like them, a lot harder to put on than a cap. Oh well. I'm just having one of those days when everything seems to be turning in on itself.

Niamgold<<Glad you could make a stop in!>> Thanks, I just wish I could come more often. But I'd run out of money quite fast.

Death penalty- I'm against it. I don't think that it is right for us to end someones life, it's dangerous. Spending the majority of ones life in a small cell would seem like a real punishment to me.

Doug and Kit business- Ok, I admit that in order to save time and money I've had to basically skim through the posts and I don't really know what is going on here and I don't like it. SO SOMEONE PLEASE TALK TO ME!!!!!!

I have to go now.
Later
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Friday, June 15, 2001 08:53:31 PM
IP: apnc208.216.216.211.in-addr.arpa

** Niamhgold enters to make a quickie post **

Just stopping in to say g'night to all you folks out there; also, I saw Atlantis, and, in my opinion, it's definitely a must see (rip off or no). I especially loved a certain P.T. Barnum reference.

Adios!
Niamhgold
Friday, June 15, 2001 07:32:32 PM
IP: lac-flex96.ncia.net

Yooper comes in and takes off his hat and sunglasses.

Wow. You leave for four days in Las Vegas, and two controversies erupt.

I went to Las Vegas with my parents on Monday. I didn't have time to post before I left like I thought I would. Anyway...

Death penalty>>I'm gonna kick my $.02 in here, since I missed the majority of it.

I'm pro-death penalty. Not because of revenge, or finance, or deterrance, or anything else. I simply believe there is a progression of fair punishment for crimes. Armed robbery: 20 years Attempted murder: Life 3rd & 2nd degree murder: Life Premeditated murder: Death.

Doug/Kit>> I find this odd but not too disturbing. I've been lurking off and on for a long time. Basically since early first season. I remember being eager to come home from school so I could read the story posted that day. (Yeah, to all the people who came later, they used to post Gargoyles on Mondays, and I believe it was Pendragon on Tuesdays, Dark Ages on Wednesdays, and Timedancer on Thursdays. I think that was the order, anyway.) I remember seeing posts from Kit and Doug, and even responding once or twice, when there was a brief period when I delurked. Since I had a lot of trouble remembering to check the CR on a regular basis, I never really got into it before now. Because of this, it doesn't resonate with me as much as with the other people who have been here for a while.

Jannie>> Best wishes for your father!

Have a good one!
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Friday, June 15, 2001 06:12:56 PM
IP: mqt2-pm3-58.dial.up.net

Thank you again for your well wishes concerning my father.
He's doing much better and has even been placed in a "regular" room and out of CCU. =) They were walking him when we arrived today. He's been taken off of all monitors and supports - except for the drainage tube. He's still draining blood, but at a much slower pace than before. I spoke to his nurse from CCU and she told me that she has never seen so much blood drain so quickly after placing the tube in. She also told me that dad was in extreme critical condition when he arrived at the hospital & that this was a life-threatening situation. O.o

Lain> there's a difference btwn war actions and the act of a lone terrorist.
I was just as relieved when they executed other serial killers or any murderer for that matter. *shrugs* mcveigh is just the most recent one.

SJ> you crack me up, my friend! *LOL* I know the reference that you were making *nods and laughs*

Doug/Kit: as the old saying in the south goes, "don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining"

Josh> *coughs* you speak to me on the phone and then don't include me in your list of ppl that you know are real. *sniffles* ;P

I'm real. I know that Aaron is real and ummm.. Coyote (I have him on video tape) and I know that Denis is real.. and Oracle *nods* After next weekend, I'll know a lot more "real" people. *chuckles*

DPH> =) I believe that you exist!

Spacebabie> I'm sorry to hear about your Great Aunt Rene :( *hugs*

Revel> are you flying out of Bush Intercontiental or Hobby? When I checked on flights from Bush, it was a direct flight to either LAX or Burbank. I'm assuming you are from Houston because of your tag "bayou city, TX".
Since I'm now flying out of Fayetteville, Arkansas - I have a short layover in Dallas and then directly to LA from there. I don't mind the layover, it's the take-off and landing that I hate so much.... I'm prepared with valium, though. *nodnodnod*

Time to call it an early evening. I'm beyond exhausted at this point and still have yet another trip to make tomorrow. I'm going to be driving to camp so that I can take Anna out for lunch and buy whatever personal supplies she might need.

*hugs*
Jannie
Friday, June 15, 2001 05:56:35 PM
IP: modem20-210.mo-net.com

DC Death by the ChIbIs

Chibi Deliah aproaches DC and crawls onto his lap, meanwhile Squall kun is slowly descending behind DC...Mission Impossible style. Deliah does the naughty tail trick plays with DC's fail and performs a lap dance. After Squall ascends Deliah chan exits.
DC is felling fine until he sees Zelgadis push down on the bob igniter. DC is blown to bits....
End DC Death

Thats for not letting me post earlier.

Chibi Zel notices Xellos~kun passing out the party flyers
"What kind of mischeif are you up too?"

BAD NEWS...My Great Aune Rene died yesterday. She was going in for a biopsy and died before the surgery. I remember visiting her when I was a child. She was an excellent cook and made the best biscuits.

I also recieved a papercut today...those suck.

Aaron..Zelgadis fans..Nani? What are you referingto my ilk?

Yaoi>>.Well not too much, I do like the Trowa and Quatre pairing and Touga and Saionji.

Do I exist... The question is do any of us exist really, well enough philosophy. Yes I'm real. Aaron,Mara, Winterwolf,Christine,Mandolin, Coyote, Lisa, Greenbaron, heck even Greg himself can vouch for me.

Sj>>> your facts about Eliv's death reminded me of a Beavis and Butthead bit

Beavis:"Elvis got big and fat and died on the toilet."
Butthead:"Thats the way I want to go"
Beavis"Thats the way I always go."

A funny fact about Brittney Spears. The fact is she is suffering from bad acne. The people who work for her call her ((Behind her back of course)) Zitney Spears...Better than that other nickname that began with T.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Friday, June 15, 2001 05:05:09 PM
IP: user-37kap16.dialup.mindspring.com

Okay tonight my brother will lead a short pre-Bar Mitzvah service, and then there's a massive dinner at one of our favorite chinese restaurants for the out-of-town relatives. After that, its ANGELINA FEST. Well, it would be a "fest", instead we're just going to see Tomb Raider at Universal.

Warpmind: <<I ain't calling you "Imzadi". No way, amigo>>: LOL good idea. People might start to wonder. <<going to try to rent a sword>>: And I imagine you'll have a hell of a time trying to sneak said sword into this country. Best of luck. <<why is it that only people with ovaries can get away with such questions?>>: You just haven't met the right kind of people with ovaries that will let YOU get away with them.

CrzyDemona: <<I hope Keith will do. Sorry, dude>>: SJ's not going. You should be apologizing to his other personality, me! ;-) <<You should know it before you die>>: Baaaaaaaaad. <<doesn't bite... I DO! ...wait... I dont think that came out right>>: No comment.

Lain: <<unless you really WANT people looking at your underwear>>: ... <<MOOCHIES ON THE BUS>>: The fool... <<la la la i am so stinkin rich>>: I think she's lying and got that money from prostitution. <<what if YOU DONT REALLY EXIST EITHER!>>: If SJ and I really ARE the same person, I imagine you'll be finding out soon enough. <<moochie wasnt on your list>>: I forgot. Sorry, moochie. <<dont expect him to do much other than groan>>: What else would one do at 8AM? <<*I* managed to shave *MY* head all by myself with my *LEG RAZOR*>>: Yuck. I would never use a razor that I used on another part of my body on my face/head (not that I shave anything other than my face, but if I did). <<he DID bring the stuff id asked for>>: joy.

Aaron: <<It's only a flesh wound!>>: ::smack:: <<people are going to start thinking *we're* the same person>>: Wait, if you and SJ are the same, and SJ and I are the same, that means that by associative property you and I are the same, and therefore I'm the same as robby too! No way! <<Is that one of those technical psychology terms? >>: Highly technical. <<I need to buy whip cream>>: Actually, so do I. I promised it to Dreamie as a reward for her hard work on my icon project. <<women like Jen and Dreamie>>: Its gonna take a lot more than two women to convince me that Gathering is "hottie central", especially when I live a scant 20 minutes from UCLA.

Okay folks that's all for now. Adios!

If you do that again, I will be forced to hurt you with extreme prejudice.
-Brain, "Pinky and the Brain"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Friday, June 15, 2001 04:28:03 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-242.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Beth> Be warned, sometimes teasing repressed otaku can have unexpected results...

Splitrock> Obviously, I need a little more practice with this IP tracker stuff. Hopefully, I won't get it, because I'll stop being so paranoid about everything.

Gside> <<since I think I sliced out some skin>> All together now... It's only a flesh wound! <<So, are they flat?>> Eh, pretty much.

SJ> Y'know, if we don't stop being in simpatico, people are going to start thinking *we're* the same person. <<due out in bookstores this fall!>> We'll see our cut of the royalties, of course. ;) <<utter….oogyness>> Is that one of those technical psychology terms?

Josh> <<whips, handcuffs, whipped cream...>> That reminds me... I need to buy whip cream. Thanks. <<Pest is either delusional, blind, or has no internet access>> Well, how many places do you know where women like Jen and Dreamie dress up as gargoyles? <<<<You've heard of dollars to donuts?>>: Nope. What does THAT mean?>> You've really never heard that expression? Basically, the full statement would be something like "I'll wager anything from dollars to donuts that Kit's not real." It usually just gets shortened to "Dollars to donuts, Kit's not real." I was feeling silly, and I like sushi, so... <<Oh come on! That was funny!>> As you might have guessed, Death doesn't have much of a sense of humor. <<Yeah, I remember>> Now remember there's like four years of that stuff, posted at least every other day. I can't imagine how much work that must have been. <<There's an ADULT CR!?>> Yeah. It's usually pretty lame. <<Where?!>> Go to www.gargoyles-fans.org , click on Adult Gargoyles Pages, and you should be set. Remember, you will need to set up a password if you've never been before.

Fleur Rine> Welcome back. I too wish it was under more pleasant circumstances. You've summed up my feelings rather nicely. And are you the one who writes the Wastelands stories? <<some people like to exaggerate things to make themselves feel better>> Guys, for instance... ;)

Todd> We're 99.999999% sure, especially in light of Doug's actions following the revelation. Plus the DMV research I'm waiting on the results of. Besides, I haven't even presented our most damning piece of evidence yet: Kit didn't like yaoi, and claimed not to know any women who did. There's no such thing as a woman who doesn't like yaoi! (This is a joke, btw. There must be a couple of women who don't) Although, in light of Doug's feelings about gays, it does make a twisted kind of sense.

Warpy> <<matching collars>> Well, we already have a set we wear, but they don't match exactly. Mara's has a bell, and mine has spikes. <<would Mara approve if I directed you to them?>> Absolutely.

Crzy> <<a bit more into leather and whips than I am>> And vinyl. Don't forget vinyl.

Lain> <<dont you start laughing, canada isnt ALWAYS ice and snow yaknow... : P>> Don't worry, if I laugh, it'll be at what you define as hot. What is the temperature like up there? (And remember, I'm an American, so your piddly little metrics mean nothing to me. ;) )

Revel> <<should I at least trim my hair up>> NO! I mean, not if you like it. <<Hey JC>> At least you don't get called Pimp Jesus...

Christine> <<similar steps regarding certain other obsessives whom I could name!>> Well, Marina's not going to be there, so I know your not talking about Mara and me. And I don't think there's enough security to hold off the Zelgadis fangirls...

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, June 15, 2001 03:05:03 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Are you guys ever going to do the New Olympians and Bad Guys spin-offs? This would be a perfect time for the New Olympians to contact the rest of the world since they already had three visits with a fourth one coming from Terry and the Bad Guys/Redemption Squad can be formed right now after all that unseelie activity.

Galvatron
Friday, June 15, 2001 02:39:26 PM
IP: 01-111.037.popsite.net

hi people!

one week before the Gathering! and the day of the release of Atlantis. I hope to read reviews of it soon! I just read the comic book, and if it's as good in animation as it is in comics, then WOAAAA! it has to be cool! it HAS too!

Christine:>I just resend an email to your sabledrake.com adress with the subject: <<CAPTION Contest>>.

TGS based game:> Well, what about a multi-player based First Person Shooter like Unreal Tournament in a Post Unseelie War, where the Unseelie destroyed NYC? In short, an Unreal Tournament-like version of the VR game where Brooklyn "fell" in in the Timedancer episode "Games Without Frontier". Or a Tomb Raider like staring Emrys or Mary Shefton trying to find the 13 Treasures, or delivering Arthur and Griff from the Illuminati (*insert U2's song Elevation here* ;-P )or a Blood Omen: Soul Reaver style of game with Vlad Tepes as the final boss, set in medieval Prague (if any of you have played Vampire the Masquerade: Redemption, you'll have an idea how it might look like), Venisia, London, and NYC.

that's all for now!
cya later!

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Friday, June 15, 2001 02:07:52 PM
IP: adsl-34975.turboline.skynet.be

Cookies > so, let me see, thus far it looks like Josh and Vig are prepared to duke it out to see who gets Stephen's Xmas cookies? ; ) I always bake way too many, anyhow, that's part of my holiday fun, so it's good to be able to ship off most of them or else _I_ eat them ...

Warpmind > hey, I like that David Bowie movie ... though it could just be that I drool over David Bowie. But no, the story has nothing to do with the movie. As for the EIB game, don't blame Jen; I scheduled it myself opposite the writing contest readings ... and as for those, eep, if the replies I've gotten hold consistent, half the authors aren't going to be there and some of the others are too shy to read aloud.

Denis > when did you send the e-mail? Haven't seen it yet, but as of right now, I'm getting some huge file (may be the mp3 of Black Roses' demo, I hope I hope!) and so I haven't checked yet today.

Shingami > well, I don't count "THE Christine Morgan" as an alias per se; I've gone by "Sabledrake" in some chats when Christine was taken. I meant another ; )

Fire Storm > Becca's not a bad typer and a pretty good little 'net surfer for only 6, but as far as I know, she's only relayed a few messages for me to say hi to people.

Jen > drat, you foiled my master plan regarding Keith! Well, in the interest of fairness, I do hope you've taken similar steps regarding certain other obsessives whom I could name! <g>

Christine - [christine@sabldrake.com]
Friday, June 15, 2001 12:46:00 PM
IP: 19-112.075.popsite.net

Hmm. Proof I exist. I exist outside of 'Gargoyles', barely. See http://groups.yahoo.com/messages/gladiator. I have 2 middle school yearbooks, 2 junior high school yearbooks, 3 high school yearbooks. In addition I posses multiple identification cards.

Now, how do I prove my backstory? Public records. It is a matter of public record that my mom died in '95. There is a record of me graudating from high school. There are records of me attending one college 2 semesters, attending another college and graduating. In addition, I can name faculty at the later who distinctly remember me.

What can't I prove? personal details about my life. Wait a minute, I think I could prove that I'm crazy. Just analyze my posts in the CR.

That's all the time I have. Gotta leave for work pretty soon.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, June 15, 2001 11:56:31 AM
IP: max1-30.cwy.cei.net

Oh one thing I forgot, Does anyone remember if Zed had a last name mentioned in Season 2 if not I'll make one up for him in an up coming fic.
Thanks
Revel
Friday, June 15, 2001 11:07:40 AM
IP: aca53adf.ipt.aol.com

Hello and yes there is only one week left before the crazies converge on Los Angeles, and yes we'll be there too. As to what's going on in here, well that's a tough one. I mean I think this has gotten way out of proportion anyway. I mean who hasn't heard or read or even dare say expreienced an awkward situation when talking to someone online. Sure it removes all race, sex, religon and in some cases species from the naked eyes, but then you have to weed through the BS and possibly worse. It's a guessing game with people and I totlaly understand that. Why do you think I never pushed the issue with Kyryn when I asked if she wanted to meet me, because it can be down right scary. Being in a large group like a con does help aleviate some of that though.
My opnion of course.

Anyhow, Things are all on schedule except for one little down. I got the tickets I thought I wanted and it turns out I'll be checking out early Monday morning (watch those departure times) Kinda sucks, but too late now. Other than that I'm on schedule to hit hit Burbank just after twelve provided minimal delays.

Now for the big question: should I at least trim my hair up a bit being that it is now half way down my back. When I walk around the house my Dad goes, "Hey JC, you going to work today?"
Could be worse.

Lets end it with one of my favorite quotes that applies to damn near everything.

"Never tell me the odds."
-Han Solo, ESB-
Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Friday, June 15, 2001 11:04:17 AM
IP: aca53adf.ipt.aol.com

okay people.. its really really hot here today. and dont you start laughing, canada isnt ALWAYS ice and snow yaknow... : P

thank goodness the library is airconditioned..

**********TIP OF THE DAY***********
when wearing flared, light, thigh-length halter-top sundresses in hot and windy weather, DO NOT forget to wear boxers underneath... (unless you really WANT people looking at your underwear.........)
*********END TIP OF THE DAY********
MOOCHIES ON THE BUS MOOCHIES ON THE BUS!!!!!!!!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!! : D : D

hell be here, if all goes well, on saturday at 5pm-ish. if all DOESNT go well, hell be here on sunday at 5AM-ish... lets hope all goes well, eh?

as for other happy news, I HAVE 178$!!!!!!!!!!! (this is very exciting because its 176 MORE dollars than i THOUGHT i had... this is because (a) I GOT PAID!!!! and (b) I GOT MY TAX RETURN!!!!!! (and thats kinda funny cos.. see.. i didnt PAY any income tax so.. i mean.. not that im COMPLAINING or anything but.. I CAN HAVE FOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!! la la la i am so stinkin rich..

SJ>> uh.. no, i dont think youve said that lately but.. thanks for the affirmation.. and no i dont have any other family to depend on. im a lonely only child (i was supposed to have a twin but.. she died early in my mothers pregnancy so.. no twins for me) and the ENTIRE REMAINDER of my family lives in england. and they dont have much money to be calling me or (heaven forbid) visiting me. my uncle (that would be mothers' sisters' husband) fears all things foreign, and thinks stuff is waaay more expensive in canada than in england (scoff). their idea of an exotic holiday is going to their "caravan" (english word for motorhome) in wales... which is very nice, ive been there.. but it isnt exactly a thrill a minute to ME anyways. and my poor grandma (i love her to bits) is the only grandparent i have, and her heart would absolutely break if she thought her daughters child was fighting with her cute and lovable son-in-law. i dunno.
so its me. and thats about as exciting as my family gets. (actually, one of my cousins might have fallen for a girl from toronto.. and might be coming to live here.. which would be SUPERCOOL since hes kinda spffy. YAY STEVE!!)
oh.. and BTW, i was trying to hunt down your phone number the other day, so i could talk to my four favourite guys (aka my widdle moochie, warps, josh and you) in one day but.. i couldnt find it : P oh well.. another time) or wait... what if YOU DONT REALLY EXIST EITHER!!!!!! NOOOOO!!!! AND IVE BEEN FOOLED ALL THIS TIME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! *pant gasp*
heh.. yeah well ; ) everyone KNOWS youre a jerk so..

josh>> drama queen??? MOI?!??! you MUST be kidding.. ; ) and moochie wasnt on your list of people you think exist? maybe ill phone you up when hes here and get him to say "south" with that twang hes got goin there sometimes.. heh hehehehehe...

warps: if you wanna call at 8am when moochies here, dont expect him to do much other than groan with a scratchy morning voice (hes not a morning person..) and sniff horribly as his nose explodes.. (i really should break it for him again, shouldnt i? tee hee fix those sinuses..) but of course *I* will be a fabulous conversationalist as per usual ; )
and how come *I* managed to shave *MY* head all by myself with my *LEG RAZOR* and a *SWISS ARMY KNIFE* while *IN THE SHOWER* with *NO MIRROR* and STILL not cut myself? hmmm.. myabe.. maybe im just good with my hands ; )

jannie>> re: mc veigh. i dont know. i suppose if those are the standards for evil (killing hundreds, "of innocent people, (children included)") then i wonder what that makes the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki? of course, those were "justified" because of war all that but im sure the innocents in THOSE city were fairly enraged at what they must have seen as a totally unnecessary act of violence, wouldnt you agree? but the US thought it was necessary, and so it was done. mcveigh thought HIS bombing was necessary, and it was done aswell, and it didnt kill NEARLY as many people, but still, everyone is outraged. and well they should be, im NOT pretending AT ALL that everyone should just roll over and play passive - but i think all things need some perspective, thats all. and again, it ISNT that i think the bombing WASNT terrible, because it WAS. but there have been and are FAR more worse things that need addressing, and we mustnt lose sight of them.
everyone sees the world through their own eyes, and not everyones eyes are the same. that doesnt mean only your eyes are valid, nor that only someone elses eyes are valid. it just means we have to listen and try to understand. i understand why you are angry with what mcveigh did. i admit that i am not angry, just more saddened that someone thought they had to go to those lengths to draw attention to something.
my only wish was that people not seem so.. happy.. or gloat over the death of another, thats all. because honestly, i believe that if someone can be gleeful over the death of another, they can absolutely be gleeful over the death of ANY other. that includes me, and THAT is what makes me uncomfortable. if someone can laugh at anothers death, they can laugh at mine. and i dont find that comforting at all.
anyway, like you said, when alls said and done, our thoughts should always rest with the victims, so lets leave it at that.

azrael>> well if escapes what yer worried about, why not git yer country another alkatraz????? (*I* was in solitary in alkatraz once.. no really.. i was.. HONEST!!!! and its pretty darned cold too!)

in other news, i removed my money from the bank account (aka 2$) before dad came, then opened a new one, into which i put my 2$. i went to canadian tire and had them copy the house key. as for the car keys, i really couldnt care less so i only did the one. then dad came, i helped him carry the stuff he requested down to the car, then i gave him the fathers day gift id made for him, hugged him, and he left. (and BTW josh, he DID bring the stuff id asked for). so thats it, i guess.
lain "praise the lord and pass the tax rebate" iwakura
Friday, June 15, 2001 10:51:28 AM
IP: 198.96.83.36

*Sneaks back in*

Crzy: You know, when you put it like that, and a certain e-mail from Christine is taken into consideration... that answer sounds *really* plausible... õÕ But really, I *know* the problem of scheduling conflicts (or is it conflicting schedules?), so I can forgive you. It's just that that one is *reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally* annoying... oh, well... lessee... Christine's obviously out of the question... I wonder if I can persuade/bribe someone to take my place at the reading, then... :|

*Sneaks out again*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, June 15, 2001 09:06:59 AM
IP: mp-216-45-115.daxnet.no

Yes, Keith David (voice of Goliath) will be joining us at the Gathering. I have assigned special security to Christine for Keith's own safety. :) SJ, I tried really hard to get the Janitor to replace Marina... but I hope Keith will do. Sorry, dude.

Josh - "I'm sorry, do you *HAVE* a real name?" I have a name too, Josh. You should know it before you die... (sorry, I couldn't resist).

Mara - Of course YOU aren't scared of me. We are kindred spirits... um... but you are a bit more into leather and whips than I am. hee hee!! :)

Ed - "Crumbs, this room's like an episode of Scooby Doo..." And they would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!!

SJ - ::administers the NOOGIE OF DOOM:: The name doesn't bite... I DO! ...wait... I dont think that came out right. O.o And I think that was FAR too much info on Elvis than any of us needed to hear. thankyouverramuch.

and AAAARRGH! What is it with internet freaks sending picks of their genitalia?!?! Some nutcase recently sent me a pic of his unit (he also sent it to some other people I know as well). He apparently thought we would be impressed. Then he couldn't figure out why we didn't want to be his friend anymore. D'oh!

Warpmind - DOH!.. heh, you know we did it on purpose just to vex you!! We sat down and said "How can we tick off Warp. I KNOW! We can put the Writer's contest up again EiB!!" Hee hee... honestly, hun... I am sorry for any scheduling conflicts like that, but we just have SO much going on that we couldn't prevent this sort of thing from happening. :( gomen nasai!
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Friday, June 15, 2001 08:50:30 AM
IP: 1cust150.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

*Warpmind enters, carrying a bright white tunic with a red ankh superimposed over a pair of crossed swords.* Well, then mom managed to get *that* part of the costume ready, after all... now I just hope I can get to rent a chainmail shirt and a sword... and a toupee.

Josh: I ain't calling you "Imzadi". No way, amigo. As for my being bald... well... you know, you *really* shouldn't be making wisecracks at a known punster who is even going to try to rent a sword... };)

Shinigami: Britney Spears' bosom: finest pair money can buy, you mean? };) Oh, and I'm curious... *are* you bringing matching collars for you and Aaron in that evidently overstuffed suitcase? ;)

Ed: Definitely puzzle-adventure in the style of the Monkey Island trilogy. (Yes, I say Trilogy, 'cause the fourth game was so bad, it's unworthy of the name.)

Fire Storm: So essentially, you say that celebs inspire gossip? Hmmm... maybe *that* explains the brief debate on me having bosoms... ;) Oh, and you've done something I haven't seen for far too long... you've confused me with Wilek... ;)

Aaron: Yes, they're still around... but would Mara approve if I directed you to them? Õõ

Beth H: Oooh, tormenting! Sounds like you and Lain should be exchanging ideas there. (But why is it that only people with ovaries can get away with such questions?) };) And congratulations!

Gside: Ah, then the Magus' scythe isn't so much foldable as summonable... and crotch shots aren't my prime concern... more like those "magic shoes"... :/

SJ: You... bring details... on Elvis' death... *Shudder* You realize how pathetic that makes you look, since you apparently *know* these things, right? };)

The Doug/Kit case: I've been looking at it, and, while the evidence seems to heavily favor the accusing party, I note that none of it would probably stand its ground in court... what we have here is a vast quantity of circumstantial evidence at best, I'd say, and nothing 100% certain. So, to be the devil's advocate for a few moments: How many of you are completely convinced that Doug and Kit aren't the same person? And at the same time, how many of you are 100% convinced that they ARE the same person? If there's even a shred of doubt, either way... none of us can pass judgement. And before anyone jumps the trigger, let me add this: Proving that someone, or something exists is possible. Removing the proof of said object or person's existence is possible. Proving that something does NOT exist is logically impossible. Just a little food for thought...
Of course, if Doug and Kit really ARE the same person, DUDE!!! That's truly an awe-inspiring feat of acting. Or a really, really bad case of multiple personalities disorder gone horribly wayward...

Anyway, *Checks clock* I gotta be scrambling out. Oh, but to the Gathering staff: Thanks A Bundle for setting the writing contest winners' entries reading at the same time as the EiB game! *Grumble* I was hoping to be able to attend that reading...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, June 15, 2001 07:27:27 AM
IP: mp-217-240-53.daxnet.no

I haven't been really following the Doug/Kit controversy here beyond more than a mild skimming, but I must confess that I'm feeling a little confused here. Do we know FOR CERTAIN, as in, actual proof (whether by a confession from Doug or anything else) that Kit is just an alias of his as opposed to an actual person, or are we just guessing, based on circumstantial evidence? I just thought that I'd like to make certain on it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, June 15, 2001 03:55:38 AM
IP: 168.191.170.6

I've been in lurker status here for a very long time, but I'm going to have to be utterly distasteful here and add my comment. I really wish it could be for something nice, like the new fanfic archive and even this comment room (which are, in my admittedly completely computer-illerate opinion ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!! G'uandalug (so sorry if I've misspelt that), Lady Mystic, Fire Storm and all those wonderful people who haven't been recognised deserve much congratulations and general awe)

Instead, because I feel almost physically sick, I'm going to have to rant.
SJ, the reason everyone probably wants to sweep this under the carpet is a very simple one: We've been morons. Complete and utter morons. For over four years we've been sucked in, to varying degrees, by a lie. And not even a very good one. Sure, there were obviously lots of people who suspected (myself included), but we all just sat back and said to ourselves, 'oh well, some people like to exaggerate things to make themselves feel better'. I know that's what I thought. But in light of 'recent revelations', it all makes horrible sense, and I can now wear the title of 'Fool'.

Maybe whoever it is is just a sicko with no life. But it could be that they're now too busy laughing their head off at us to come up with any more lies. 'Miller' said it himself 'While I would agree with you that Doug is a compulsive liar- he likes spinning yarns and getting people to believe them a lot more than anybody else I've ever known, Kit does too '

Well, this is a pretty good yarn he's spun. Four years and at least a couple of hundred people over that time is quite an achievement. Maybe there's some sort of award for that. I can think of at least a few names, but I wouldn't be able to say them in a PG rated room.

Maybe I'm just as big a vindictive b***h as Mara, but in my defence, I think I've got reason to be. I _believed_ Kit was real. I thought of her and Doug as a friend. I've been around the CR for a long time (Damn, I sound old when I say that), and they've been here as long as I have, what I thought were two people. Even when I rolled my eyes at their stories, I still thought they were two people.
My name is Fleur Rine, and I am an idiot.
So, in my usual manner, I'm just going to add a new phrase to my vocabulary, then I'm going to do my damn best to laugh at it all. After all, somebody else is getting their chuckles out of _me_, I might as well return the favor.
"Pulling a Doug"
It's the phrase you use to describe a sick joke pulled by a very sick person.

Thank you to those who brought it to light, and to the admins for doing a great job in a rotten situation. I hope all the people going to the Gathering have a fantastic time, and that the TGS people keep on writing those great stories (Yes, I do need to work on how to make a subtle hint ;))
TTFN!
Fleur Rine - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:37:17 PM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

SCORE!

The family dinner with my estranged relatives went well. Here's the story (short version). My grandfather, father, and two uncles were once in a business together. Then, one day, about ten years ago, one of my uncles demands that my father either buy out his share of the company or buy out my grandfather's share. Basically: he told my dad "choose between your father or me". Since this uncle isn't blood (he's my dad's sister's husband), my dad naturally told him to shove it. My uncle walked out of the business and the remaining three partners were forced to write him massive checks to buy his share of the company from him. Then, after my assinine uncle left the firm, he worked for competitors and did everything he could to hurt my dad's company. So naturally, the three remaining partners are extremely bitter. The bummer is that my uncle's wife (my aunt, my dad's sister) is really the sweetest lady in the world, and my cousins are also really cool and babysat me when I was a little kid and all that cute stuff. So I find it extremeley aggravating that after 10 years my family can't just GROW UP a little and put it behind them, at least for the sake of the blood relatives.

So dinner tonight was a celebration of my cousin graduating from law school, and the estranged uncle and aunt and one of my cousins was there. They didn't recognize me at all, probably because the last time they saw me I was 10, and a lot of things have changed since then...like everything. Dinner went well with the exception of one thing: my father. He was making the most obnoxious comments about my uncle (under his breath and only to me and my mother, of course) the whole meal.

On the plus side, I won a bet with my mother that my father would be the first to act immaturely 8-)

As much as I don't get along with my brother, as different as we are, I hate the idea that someday we might not talk. I hope it never happens.

Shinigami: <<What's she got IN there, anyway?>>: Oh, ya know, the usual: whips, handcuffs, whipped cream... <<thought up a contingences>>: I honestly doubt that "Xanatosian contingencies" would describe bringing backup sets of clothing. That's just common sense. <<reappears in sack cloth>>: There are some girls who look good no matter what they're wearing. Hope you're one of them before you show up for Gathering like that... 8-) <<It beats trying to walk around in a barrel>>: A couple strategically placed straps and you're on your way! <<*insufferably cute*>>: I've NEVER seen anyone that I would describe as "insufferably cute". What does that even mean!? <<I'm not scared of your name>>: Maybe you should be.

Niamhgold: <<I post, therefore I am>>: pono posui positum, ergo sum. <<it's a present enough that you believe I really exist>>: Your art style is too different for you to be a figment of Dreamie's imagination ;-) <<eat, drink, and be merry!>>: Do I have to do it in that order?

Fire Storm: <<"Unseelie Raider">>: Such a game would have to star Demona. <<People would get random undergarments>>: I could never share underwear. That's just gross. <<Women, on the other hand...>>: Thank you for informing us that you are completely incapable of pleasing women. LM must be thrilled. <<OR maybe she was once a HE!>>: Or still is! <<who REALLY talks about Gargoyles in here?>>: When there's garg stuff to talk about (new eps, etc), we do. Would you rather this room be like the s8 CR? All boring with people only posting once in a blue moon? <<BILL GATES *IS* TRYING TO STEAL MY BRAIN!>>: Why would he want it? <<how do I know YOU arn't real?>>: You don't. BUWAHAHAHAHA.

Aaron: <<Gathering is hottie central!>>: Pest is either delusional, blind, or has no internet access. But he rocks nonetheless. <<Any of them still around?>>: Gathering is the second place I'd look, after Rocky Horror. <<You’ve heard of dollars to donuts?>>: Nope. What does THAT mean? <<No, not even a little>>: Oh come on! That was funny! <<“Kit” said it was great>>: Well if she's a non-existant person then she has no back and that explains why she loved it. <<stuff so big it had to be posted in two parts>>: Yeah, I remember.

Beth: <<joys of sexual torture>>: Sadists. <<a must fix>>: Excuse me while I don't hold my breath for that to happen. <<Josh can just stuff it!>>: LOL. Like I'll ever stop riding you on this one. I give innocent people a hard time. Always have. I might consider stuffing it if you hadn't said your first "real kiss" was not between the tonsils 8-) As it is, I have no place to stuff "it".

Greg X: How much will you offer for me to haul my skinny @$$ out to LAX to pick you up? I'd like $15 if its not too much to ask.

HEY! ANYONE ELSE COMING IN TO LAX AT AROUND NOON ON FRIDAY?!!?!?

Gside: <<Wait, we really are engineers>>: LOL. <<I have yet to prove that I think>>: I personally don't believe that you do. <<Which I say follows from biology>>: Someone ELSE declaring openly that they have trouble pleasing women. <<Charlie and the MTA>>: That's one of my old camp songs!

TGS Game: I'd like to see a Zelda-Type action game for Pendragon. Come on! Looking for Merlin, looking for those damn jewels...

SJ: <<please forgive this 2x post>>: You didn't have to repost the whole thing. You could have just tacked it on. <<Everything remotely distasteful yet important and relevant gets swept under the rug>>: No one wants a flame war. <<Strange Case of Doug Elder>>: Publish soon so I can buy a copy. <<this ain't the adult CR>>: There's an ADULT CR!? Where?! <<It's the first inconsistency!>>: LOL. <<Will "you" be quiet!>>: Don't start with me, alter ego! I'll kill you (me) (you)! ::throttles self:: <<I must go ask complete strangers to email me photos of their genitalia>>: I've got a friend, Stephan, who might be willing to do just that...now HE is a sick puppy.

Well folks, that's it. I'm wiped.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.
-hyoo, slashdot.org

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:22:36 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-151.nhwd02.pacbell.net

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Anonymous
Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:01:11 PM
IP: proxy1.mel.pacific.net.au

SJ - You know, I know you can joke around a bit, and be a wiseass when you want to be...and usually I don't mind.

However, I never like to joke around when it comes to people help. Especially my own. I mean, I'm 32 years old, I shouldn't have to worry about my heart health or whether or not I'm getting diabetes! You can say what you want about dying at 30, but damnit I'd like to live a few more years older than my father, and he died on a OR table when he was 54!

So please, ease off on the health jokes, okay? my BP's bad enough as it stands...


Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, June 14, 2001 07:51:54 PM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

I can't believe that I didn't post the whole message! Please forgive this 2x post.

The Doug Conspiracy: You know what I love about this CR? Everything remotely distasteful yet important and relevant gets swept under the rug so fast it'd make your head spin.
In my continued effort to run simply everything into the ground, let me pontificate on the Strange Case of Mr. Elder (A Sevarius Jr. mystery, due out in bookstores this fall!) a little more.

I know that some of you have been saying, "So what if he's doing this?" Well, cause there are quite a few of us that are incredibly disturbed by it all. Don't see why? Aaron just brought up an excellent post. Doug would write long, long, incredibly long and intricate posts about his relationship with "Kit", who doesn't exist. That in and of itself is very bizarre and obviously a little silly, but also remember that Doug would write somewhat detailed accounts of their sex life together. Sometimes it would be detailed enough to the point that some members of this CR would say, "Hey, please knock it off, this ain't the adult CR". Folks, he would write detailed fictional accounts of his sex life with a being that existed nowhere except his own mind. I mean, what the hell is that? Some sort of cerebral masturbation? Regardless, if you don't see the utter….oogyness of such an act, than perhaps you and I are just not on the same page. Doug apparently wasn't even reading the same book as the rest of us. Hence the Glen and Glenda act of epic proportions.

Then let's take into account the vehement protest that Doug would go through when someone questioned the existence of Kit. I mean, if this was all a joke, were the harsh posts really necessary? That's part of the reason why some people are disgusted by this. Doug would rip into anyone who questioned the veracity of Kit, when she didn't exist, and ultimately that was all for nothing. One shouldn't be a dick to someone simply because they've discovered, or at least hinted, that your imaginary girlfriend really isn't real.

Then, as Aaron mentioned, there's the sympathy posts. I could go on with detail after detail of times in which Doug would post about things that happened to him looking for sympathy (let us NEVER forget the wonderful and ultimately tragic tale of Gus, the Walmart security guard turned stalker who was killed in prison. Poor Gus, he never was the same since Doug's friends shot arrows at him. Why the cops didn't arrest Doug's friends for possessing and using a deadly weapon is a subject for another time.). But how about all the times when one of the female members of the CR posted with a distinctly feminine problem? "My boyfriend dumped me today." Then here would come "Kit", to talk about all the men who dumped her, in between regaling us with tales of her fantastic life with "Snake" the Hell's Angel of course. Etc. Anyone else find it a little disturbing that you would use your imaginary creation to gather sympathy for yourself? Or just attention?

I could dissect this further, but that would be unnecessary for now. But I hope this is a little better explanation as to why some of us think that Mr. Elder is a sick little puppy.
For the record, I don't count Doug as the greatest BS artist of all time. To be nice about it, I just don't think he's, ahem, capable of that distinction. That's why I'm so weirded out by Doug. I think that he was making this stuff up not just for the hell of it, but because in some bizarre way this crap was real to him. He was serious about it all.

Mecord: Hey, good luck with the wedding.
And I hope that you aren't holding your breath to meet Doug and Kit IN PERSON, cause otherwise I might have to bring over the oxygen tanks.

Josh: Will "you" be quiet! The more "you" talk about "us" being the same person, the more people will begin to suspect that "we" really are. And that would totally ruin "our" joke, wouldn't it! ;) "I" have almost got them thinking that "you" really are a Berkeley student with a passion for Macs….or maybe it's "you" who has done the convincing….see, now "we" are getting confused. It's the first inconsistency! I hope they aren't taking notes…

Lain: Have I told you lately that your father astounds me? Wow. I haven't seen a jerk like that since….well, my own father. But your father is a different type of wanker than mine is. Do you have any other family that you can depend upon? Because while you may not want to cut off all ties with your father, I think he's clearly established that he's not someone you can turn to. Unless you want to totally be under his thumb every moment of your life.

Aris: Well, I DO thank you for posting your reply. I asked, and I received. I wish that I could get into a serious debate with you, just for old time's sake. But I'm too consumed with the Doug thing, and I know you don't like to post regularly anymore, so I won't drag it on. But just for fun, let me play out how the debate would go, right now, real quick
Me: You're wrong, Aris. The death penalty rules. The only problem with it is that we don't use it enough. Let's go Old Testament on their asses.
You: Well, in the end this is a subjective topic. I naturally feel that I am correct when I say that the death penalty is wrong, and you feel otherwise. While I respect your opinion, I choose to disagree with it.
Me: You're wrong, Aris, the death penalty rules!
Ah, that was fun. It brings back memories. ;)

BTW…..I'm not suggesting anything, cause I know you probably aren't like this, but….don't you feel a little vindicated now? Doug was supposedly one of the reasons you chose to stay mostly out of this CR, and now, who knows, maybe he was bullsh!ting the whole argument he initially had with you…

Stephen: Here's a wonderful little trick I learned to lower the blood sugar: you suck out the blood of a virgin.
Oh wait, that's Dracula. Never mind. I personally plan to live to the ripe old age of 30 and die of a massive coronary. On the toilet, just like the King. Did you know that Elvis was looking at a book of pornography when he died? It's true. Or that his skin was so discolored from oxygen depravation that the paramedics that treated him initially thought that he was a black man? Or that to open his mouth to get a respiration tube into his throat, they had to break out his teeth with a hammer? Or that his colon was so impacted on the day of his death that it weighed 40 lbs? It's all true.
What relevance does this have? Hey, if ever you're going through trials and tribulations in your life, look to the King, and gain a few laughs. Sure, you may have high blood sugar, but at least your colon isn't impacted with 40 lbs. of feces.

Crzy (Ouch, that hurt for some reason…): You are right. As much as I have tried, I shall never kill the CR.

Now if you will all excuse me, I must go ask complete strangers to email me photos of their genitalia, and then laugh at those photos with my friends for my own twisted joy and amusement.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Thursday, June 14, 2001 07:49:37 PM
IP: 66-44-57-18.s272.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

The Doug Conspiracy: You know what I love about this CR? Everything remotely distasteful yet important and relevant gets swept under the rug so fast it'd make your head spin.
In my continued effort to run simply everything into the ground, let me pontificate on the Strange Case of Mr. Elder (A Sevarius Jr. mystery, due out in bookstores this fall!) a little more.

I know that some of you have been saying, "So what if he's doing this?" Well, cause there are quite a few of us that are incredibly disturbed by it all. Don't see why? Aaron just brought up an excellent post. Doug would write long, long, incredibly long and intricate posts about his relationship with "Kit", who doesn't exist. That in and of itself is very bizarre and obviously a little silly, but also remember that Doug would write somewhat detailed accounts of their sex life together. Sometimes it would be detailed enough to the point that some members of this CR would say, "Hey, please knock it off, this ain't the adult CR". Folks, he would write detailed fictional accounts of his sex life with a being that existed nowhere except his own mind. I mean, what the hell is that? Some sort of cerebral masturbation? Regardless, if you don't see the utter….oogyness of such an act, than perhaps you and I are just not on the same page. Doug apparently wasn't even reading the same book as the rest of us. Hence the Glen and Glenda act of epic proportions.

Then let's take into account the vehement protest that Doug would go through when someone questioned the existence of Kit. I mean, if this was all a joke, were the harsh posts really necessary? That's part of the reason why some people are disgusted by this. Doug would rip into anyone who questioned the veracity of Kit, when she didn't exist, and ultimately that was all for nothing. One shouldn't be a dick to someone simply because they've discovered, or at least hinted, that your imaginary girlfriend really isn't real.

Then, as Aaron mentioned, there's the sympathy posts. I could go on with detail after detail of times in which Doug would post about things that happened to him looking for sympathy (let us NEVER forget the wonderful and ultimately tragic tale of Gus, the Walmart security guard turned stalker who was killed in prison. Poor Gus, he never was the same since Doug's friends shot arrows at him. Why the cops didn't arrest Doug's friends for possessing and using a deadly weapon is a subject for another time.). But how about all the times when one of the female members of the CR posted with a distinctly feminine problem? "My boyfriend dumped me today." Then here would come "Kit", to talk about all the men who dumped her, in between regaling us with tales of her fantastic life with "Snake" the Hell's Angel of course. Etc. Anyone else find it a little disturbing that you would use your imaginary creation to gather sympathy for yourself? Or just attention?

I could dissect this further, but that would be unnecessary for now. But I hope this is a little better explanation as to why some of us think that Mr. Elder is a sick little puppy.
For the record, I don't count Doug as the greatest BS artist of all time. To be nice about it, I just don't think he's, ahem, capable of that distinction. That's why I'm so weirded out by Doug. I think that he was making this stuff up not just for the hell of it, but because in some bizarre way this crap was real to him. He was serious about it all.

Mecord: Hey, good luck with the wedding.
And I hope that you aren't holding your breath to meet Doug and Kit IN PERSON, cause otherwise I might have to bring over the oxygen tanks.

Josh: Will "you" be quiet! The more "you" talk about "us" being the same person, the more people will begin to suspect that "we" really are. And that would totally ruin "our" joke, wouldn't it! ;) "I" have almost got them thinking that "you" really are a Berkeley student with a passion for Macs….or maybe it's "you" who has done the convincing….see, now "we" are getting confused. It's the first inconsistency! I hope they aren't taking notes…

Lain: Have I told you lately that your father astounds me? Wow. I haven't seen a jerk like that since….well, my own father. But your father is a different type of wanker than mine is. Do you have any other family that you can depend upon? Because while you may not want to cut off all ties with your father, I think he's clearly established that he's not someone you can turn to. Unless you want to totally be under his thumb every moment of your life.

Aris: Well, I DO thank you for posting your reply. I asked, and I received. I wish that I could get into a serious debate with you, just for old time's sake. But I'm too consumed with the Doug thing, and I know you don't like to post regularly anymore, so I won't drag it on. But just for fun, let me play out how the debate would go, right now, real quick
Me: You're wrong, Aris. The death penalty rules. The only problem with it is that we don't use it enough. Let's go Old Testament on their asses.
You: Well, in the end this is a subjective topic. I naturally feel that I am correct when I say that the death penalty is wrong, and you feel otherwise. While I respect your opinion, I choose to disagree with it.
Me: You're wrong, Aris, the death penalty rules!
Ah, that was fun. It brings back memories. ;)

BTW…..I'm not suggesting anything, cause I know you probably aren't like this, but….don't you feel a little vindicated now? Doug was supposedly one of the reasons you chose to stay mostly out of this CR, and now, who knows, maybe he was bullsh!ting the whole argument he initially had with you…

Stephen: Here's a wonderful little trick I learned to lower the blood sugar: you suck out the blood of a virgin.
Oh wait, that's Dracula. Never mind. I personally plan to live to the ripe old age of 30 and die of a massive coronary. On the toilet, just like the King. Did you know that Elvis was looking at a book of pornography when he died? It's true. Or that his skin was so discolored from oxygen depravation that the paramedics that treated him initially thought that he was a black man? Or that to open his mouth to get a respiration tube into his
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Thursday, June 14, 2001 07:28:14 PM
IP: 66-44-57-18.s272.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

TGS Videogame> I'm not much of a gamer, but my brother, Alex, is and he's also familiar with TGS. He'd like to see a game in the style of the Spider-man videogame for the Playstation.

It'd cover most of the main plot points of the Main Cycle between "Fallout" and "The Darkest Hour", with Madoc as the final boss. I think it'd be a great game.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, June 14, 2001 07:17:08 PM
IP: dialin-568-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Fire Storm> <<I say I am an Alien>>: Imzadi and I say that we are horrible freaks of nature. Wait, we really are engineers.
<<Is it freeware?>>: Nope, but it is small enough to fit on a floppy.

Mr. Two Points> <<Does a rocket's initial velocity affect it's acceleration?>>: Probably, but only because there is higher initial air resistance. I wouldn't think it'd change the final velocity.
<<Obfuscation wuill get you nowhere>>: Of course not, but it brings me entertainment. I was referrint to the word that and its function.

Jannie> More well wishes for your father.

DPH> <<people to share the same IP address and be two different people: posting from a college>>: On (at least some) campi, they give every connection a separate IP. I post from gside.resnet.rutgers.edu when at school. But your point was more about shared computer labs.

Imzadi> <<people I am reasonably convinced exist: Me>>: I have yet to prove that I think, let alone any correlaries from that.

Fire Storm> <<Did you have stitches?>>: Yup. Two. The local didn't kick in to the full depth, though. Thoough right now, I am a little nervous about the stitches, since I think I sliced out some skin, so they might pop more easily.
<<you are a computer guy... what were you doing using yard tools anyway>>: Since I didn't get aeal job for the summer, I have been "hired" to do various maintenance tasks (painting, reglazing, trimming hedges (which was actually kind of fun until last night)). That, and my great aunt got threatened with a fine if she didn't get her hedges trimmed.
<<What is your opinion about posting small, non-gargoyles stories and/or poems in the GFW>>: I think it's been done before, though I don't fully approve.

Happy Birthday Niamhgold.

Aaron> <<Baughb (How the heck would you pronounce that, btw)>>: Bob. Similar stories with Filis and Aemus.
<<Splitrock.net serves the Austin area, I believe>>: To quote the splitrock website: "local services available in many Midwest, Southwest, Northwest and Rocky Mountain states" Also, he does have a bflo rider on his IP.
<<Hope you feel better soon>>: Thak you, but I don't thin it'll be hapening.

Warpmind> <<The Magus' scythe folded at the joint between the blade and the handle, right?>>: I think itjust appeared in his hand when he needed it.
<<please not that David Bowie movie>>: Afraid of shots of his crotch?

Mara> <<Freedom, Beauty, Truth and Love!>>: Or, for Americans: Freedom, Bottom, Top, and Love.

Niamhgold> <<if you prefer, the two smaller pieces with the 6th and 7th candles>>: I think I would, as they are more ikely to be slightly over half full size (I'd believe). And it's 6 and 9. The math works in base 13.

Ed> <<they were making a TGS game but didn't quite know what the genre or content would be>>: I'm leaning towards an adventure, though a Puzzle Fighter variation might be fun.

Fire Storm> <<If I post not, am I not?>>: Not necessarialy.
<<Us men are relatively easy to please. Women, on the other hand>>: Which I say follows from biology.
<<He got half of it at Newark Airport back in 98>>: Nah, that was just the effect of the atmosphere here.

Aaron> <<I put them between my mattress and box spring to flatten them out... And forgot about them til now>>: So, are they flat?

For the mp3, you get a new find. Charlie and the MTA by the Kingston Trio.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, June 14, 2001 05:55:11 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Congrads Beth. I graduate one week from today. Day before the Gathering. Is that perfect timing or what?

I've had a lot of nice timing with Gatherings that I've actually gone to. Gathering 98 ended the day before my birthday, and Gathering 99 was the day after my last final.

Now it's right after graduation, and I can't think of a better way to celebrate it.

Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, June 14, 2001 05:52:04 PM
IP: dialin-568-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*enters*

Ahhh...the joys of sexual torture. ^_^ Having fun torturing my boyfriend with sexual questions (he's repressed his sex drive pretty well...a must fix). Ex: "If you want, I can go buy thong underwear!" "When are you planning on ravaging me???" I did other stuff too. Totally innocent though. He's just so much fun to tease. And this is when one of my friends is in the car with us. We both totally tormented him about stuff. >:) I must say, the Ravaging question was particularly funny. ^_^

BTW, David finally french kissed me, so Sevarious Jr. and Josh can just stuff it! ^_^

YES!!!!!!!!! FINALS ARE OVER!!!! I graduate tomorrow!!! YIPEEEE!!!!!!!!!! *streamers and sparkles fall everywhere*
Beth H.
Thursday, June 14, 2001 05:47:55 PM
IP: adsl-63-195-144-108.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net

******Warning Chibi Crossing***********

Mmmmmmmmm, and I was packing, (indicates a large brown leather bag being dragged in by Hyena- and Ventura-chan) but the kiss of a beautiful woman is such a distraction.

Really love, you shouldn't wear such a rough, nasty thing. Put this on. (Ventura-chan obligingly floats a silk robe over Mara's shoulders. Unfortunately, the effort of doing so makes her drop her end of the bag, and a bound and gagged chibi-Death falls out)

V-chan, did you do this? Bad chibi. Baaaaaaaaaaad. The two of you are not coming with us. (Aaron reaches into the bag) And neither are you Pest.

The Lex clone looks crestfallen. "But the Gathering is hottie central! And I wanna meet this Thom guy, the one who sounds like me!"

No.

"Dude, you suck."

**********And now that we've finished a completely fictional RP**********

Vig> Hi Vig! Long time no see. How’s Ace? <<ain't the only one on the prick express!>> You do know how wrong that sounds, don’t you?

Warpy> <<can't address Josh by his first name anymore?>> I admit, I walked into that one... <<encountered women with a far higher threshold for kink than any man I've ever heard of...>> Really? Any of them still around?

Josh> Okay, but listen up, I’m only gonna do this once. ;) <<<<Joyrided a character on Angel>> Huh? Of what do you speak?>> Alright, a long long time ago, in a CR much like this one, there was an RP called the Joyride. Pissy, Warpy, Wilek, and maybe somebody else was involved. Basically, they wandered the countryside, meting out horrible deaths to anyone who annoyed them, like Ricky Martin. (Actually, that sounds like almost *all* of Doug and “Kit”’s RPs...) For various reasons, that RP was discontinued, but not before Joyrideing someone became CR slang for any particularly nasty death, usually for the sake of revenge. Recently, Doug and “Kit” did an RP where “Kit” killed a director on Angel who was mean to Cordy. <<Isn't that one just a LITTLE bit subjective?>> Maybe, but it’s my list. Besides, you can see for yourself in a week. <<sushi to sapphires>>: What on earth does THAT mean?>> You’ve heard of dollars to donuts? This is my version. <<Look, Boss! De plane! De plane!>> Death, you’re not allowed to maim Josh. No, not even a little. <<can't think of a more uncomfortable place to have sex>> Nevertheless, “Kit” said it was great. You can see why I was starting to get really, really disturbed by Doug. <<Its called: LIFE>> No, it’s called a serious need for attention. I realize people can have runs of bad luck, (Robby’s series of computer mishaps, my string of automotive disasters, Coyote and... all of Y2K) but nobody could have regular doses of completely unbelievable weirdness for such a long period of time. <<He could be putting it together on the fly>> Even so. You’re relatively new here. Look at the archive. Look at the sheer volume of material. Doug used to make these *huge* RP posts, stuff so big it had to be posted in two parts because it went over the limit Gore put in to keep anyone from breaking the room again. And then he’d make another one as “Kit”. Even if Doug is the world’s greatest BS artist, which he may be, it would still be a significant investment of time and energy. <<<<HFIL>>: What is this word?>> Okay, as I understand it, back when Saban was doing the subtitling for DBZ, there was an episode where they went to Hell, where everyone wore T-shirts with the word HELL on them. This was edited to HFIL, or the Home For Intergalactic Losers, and has since become sort of an injoke/mock curse with anime fans. (DBZ is one of those things like Buffy, that I don’t have to watch because I have people here who do it for me) <<Its nice to have people covet your significant other, isn't it?>> Yep. :) <<I'm certain ONE of you exists, just not sure which one yet>> Actually, we both do, but it’ll be hard to prove that since Robby can’t afford to make G2K1. Hopefully, next year...>> <<What about the monsters under your bed?>> As a child, I stuffed so much junk under my bed, nothing could possibly hide under it. I think most of it's still there. Heh, last week I found the mini-posters I bought at G99. I put them between my mattress and box spring to flatten them out... And forgot about them til now.

Niamhgold> Move to Texas, and you can have all the humid heat you want. Like three months worth.

FS> <<Disney>> Jeez, I'd hate to have to wear a sweaty fursuit all day anyway, but to do it wearing some stranger's underwear... <<Wilek & Miriam>> Thanks for the enlightenment. The things I missed...

Coyote> Here, have an icepack. <<Splitrock>> Well, I was not aware. Probably just getting paranoid in my old age. And incidentally, won't you have something better to do in LA, (i.e. spend time with Ravyn) then give me the silent treatment? And you went back to someone who makes you happy, I have someone who makes me happy, so what're you really so bent out of shape over? I though we'd moved on. Mara and I had no relationship besides as casual online friends before G2K, whether you want to believe that or not. But whatever...

And on that note, I have to go and repack, since it seems the little monsters took out everything to make room for themselves.

Aaron leaves, accompanied by a chibi chorus of "I thought love was only true in fairy tales... Meant for someone else but not for me. Then I saw her face! Now I'm a believer! Not a trace... of doubt in my mind."

Xellos-kun, meanwhile, having been discouraged by Ventura from paying too much attention to the still tied up Death, starts passing out invitations to all the chibis for a blowout party at Mara's place while she's away.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, June 14, 2001 05:13:22 PM
IP: dialup-64.154.230.37.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net

Okay, I admit, I made a mistake ...

I tried to catch up on the CR after working an eleven hour shift. And I now have an even BIGGER headache than I had when I got home. **rolls eyes**

Aaron: Splitrock IP's mean absolutely nothing. My server occasionally piggybacks to a Splitrock server, so I know for absolute sure that Splitrock is *not* limited to just Texas.

Incidentally ... I'm happy for ya. Really. Just so that my deathly silence in LA isn't mistaken for anger.

As for the rest of this, I have no idea how to react. All I can say for sure is what's happening around me. I went to another race on Sunday (after winning tickets for the third year running), and that was fun ... only bummer was Jeff Gordon winning. As a result of going to the races I got a healthy sunburn (which is now fading into a fairly better-looking tan). Work has become hell on Earth. And Sunday I'm spending a day packing so that the next day at ... oh, around noonish ... I can board a plane for Phoenix, to the sweetest girl I know. (Who I know for sure IS real, because I have spoken with her)

And that's all for me.

**leaves the room rubbing his head in absolute pain, returning to the more pleasant task of counting the hours**
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, June 14, 2001 04:11:31 PM
IP: 64.243.214.107

DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this post are not necessarly those of the poster. he has been feeling pretty wierd today, dern butterflys.
You ever see them? Fluttering and flapping their multi colored wings like they don't have a care in the world. LOOK AT THEM! Little do they know that they are effecting the weather patterns on the other side of the world. The flooding in China? THE BUTTERFLYS! Tropical storm Allison? BUTTERFLYS!
But they are crafty... you know droughts? THEY cause them too!
KILL THEM! KILL THEM ALL!


Happy Birthday, Mr. Robotto!
"-- Fifty years ago -- on June 14, 1951 -- the U.S. Census Bureau officially put into service what it calls the world's first commercial computer, known as UNIVAC I."

Azrael: <So the fact that they are "Celebrities" makes it okay to gossip?>
No. The fact that they are such public figures that have detailed lives makes people wonder about them and because of that reason people WILL gossip. Right or wrong has nothing to do with it in this matter.

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.: ICK! Sucks! I hope that the problem is just a short term (testing error, too much sugar in the week prior, etc) and not a long term medical problem.

Jannie: At least your dad realizes that laughter is the best medicine!

Christine: <to my knowledge, neither Tim nor Becca have ever posted in here>
Really? Hmm... i could have sworn Becca at least posted in here. Maybe it was just in your post. I have no idea.

Niamhgold: <I post, therefore I am>
If I post not, am I not?
<it's flag day>
IT IS?!?!?
<it's 95 degrees and humid up here!>
AH HA! I *KNEW* you were a fake! It is only 88 degrees with 34% humidity there!
FAKE FAKE! I KNEW IT!
;)

Ed: <what would you tell them?>
Hmm... Would say either the Brooklyn one or the Arthur RPG.
(Maybe a mini-game. Lex's hack into the unseelie mainframe)
<An Unseelie Court shoot-'em-up (with iron bullets no less)?>
Hmm... A new gargoyle. "Unseelie Raider"
You know... if you can use the tail in combat and wings to glide... that could be one nice game!

Moochie: Something I noticed about my last post: The maximum speed part really only applies in situations where there is an atmosphere. In space, there really only is one speed limit. The speed of light.
(NOTE: Speaking in CONVENTIONAL terms)

Aaron: <I don't even want to know, and yet...>
It seems that employees at the Disney theme parks had to wear undergarments given out by Disney. Every night, Disney would take the clothes, wash them and pass them out the next day. People would get random undergarments.
Well, many employees complained because the clothes were not completely washed. So there was a lawsuit and now the employees can take the clothes home and wash them themselves.
<That would be quite a trick, since I was under the impression that Stealth Fighters were subsonic by necessity>
Well, it was just an example! I probally should have said F-22, eh?
<Next thing you'll tell me DC's not real either>
No, no... he IS real!
<Second, I don't remember Wilek ever posting as Miriam>
When Wilek first was in here, Marium would post during the day and Wilek would post at night (because Wilek, being a gargoyle, is stone during the day.) Until Wilek was able to be a gargoyle during the day too.

Wilek: <I've encountered women with a far higher threshold for kink than any man I've ever heard of>
Us men are relatively easy to please. Women, on the other hand...

Imzadi: <Why don't you just buy a gas generator. You put 5 gallons of gas in it, ONCE, and you let it sit until you need it.>
I am looking into taking my house TOTALLY off the electrical grid, and to do so I need to find a way to store many kilowatts of power. Batterys would work, but I don't want to have to replace $5000+ worth of batteries every 2 years.
<Perhaps if you used solar and wind power to keep it spinning, but you would need massive (and expensive) panels to keep it rotating at the speed required to maintain the amount of energy you suggested.>
My plan. Wind is FAR cheaper than solar. I can get 3.2KW of wind power per hour for only $4000 (At 30 MPH wind. 700W per hour at 12 MPH. And I plan on mounting it on a tall tower, so it is usually at least a constant 30mph wind up at 75 feet. For the same ammount per hour, it would probally cost me around $40K. And solar only works during the day! In the winter here, that may be as few as 8 hours! So, in reality, I may need 3 TIMES that requirement, or $120K worth of solar! NO FRIGGIN WAY!
Now, I may have to go for many smaller flywheels instead of one big one, but that is doable.
<Lets just say that if *I* was living with Nicole Kidman there wouldn't be any problems conceiving a child.>
True, true. :) Hmm... Maybe Tom isn't the problem. Maybe Nicole is a total lesbo and being with a guy repulses her so much!
OR maybe she was once a HE!
<What part of "Gargoyles" Fan Website is confusing?>
True...
Although, the same could be said for the Gargoyles CRs. I mean, who REALLY talks about Gargoyles in here?
<Okay so the CR clock is half an hour behind my clock...whoa so I'm posting in the past! So why isn't this post already here? ;-)>
Hmm... Well, there are many theories about time travel...
<Maybe THEY don't exist...>
Maybe your right! I mean, maybe those people at the gatherings are different people every year! I mean, Becca isn't the same every year!
Hmm... maybe *I* am not real! It would explain some things...
HEY... how do I know YOU arn't real?!?! MAybe I am the only real person in here...
I *KNEW* IT! BILL GATES *IS* TRYING TO STEAL MY BRAIN!
He got half of it at Newark Airport back in 98. I fell asleep and he got half of it. AND NOW HE WANTS THE REST! ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, June 14, 2001 04:09:07 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

I once had an idea for a "Gargoyles SD Fighter"... =D
Solomon - [solomonv1@yahoo.com]
Palma, Spain
Thursday, June 14, 2001 02:48:35 PM
IP: va1-b-cache.ono.com

Crumbs, this room's like an episode of Scooby Doo...

Aaron: I don't remember Doug or Kit at S8 before the dawn of the TGS CR.

Anyway, this is all a bit weird. So let's have a nice, wholesome, TGS topic. Let's talk about 'TWO'! No, wait -- only joking!

Question is... if a videogame company rolled up at your door tomorrow and told you they were making a TGS game but didn't quite know what the genre or content would be - what would you tell them?

Maybe a time-limited search and rescue with Brooklyn being sent to a new mission for each level?
A nice RPG with Arthur and the knights?
A strategy game commanding the gargoyles of 975 against Rowland and Atlanta?
An Unseelie Court shoot-'em-up (with iron bullets no less)?
A Gargoyles puzzle adventure a-la 'Monkey Island'?
Or even... a TGS block-style puzzle. Goliath and Madoc go head to head matching coloured blocks - winner takes the planet!
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Thursday, June 14, 2001 02:33:50 PM
IP: ac917b1b.ipt.aol.com

** Niamhgold enters with a big cake and a fruit basket. She hands out pieces of both to the CR while waving a flag **

Hey, everybody! Well, it's a swell day up here--not only did I get to start my new job early, today, but it's flag day _and_ my birthday, and it's 95 degrees and humid up here! Some people may think that it's insane that I love this humid heat, but, hey, we don't get it all that often where I live!

Wow...a lot has happened in this CR so far! My goodness! Well, I don't really have a comment about the situation since I an't think back far enough on anyone's posts to conclude whether they're real or not. I'm just gonna twist Descartes' hypothesis around a bit and say: I post, therefore I am :)

winterwolf: ** Pounces and hugs! ** Long time no see! Thanks so much for the greetings and the e-card, it was very thoughtful _and_ with a nice long sentiment attached! Extra big piece of flag cake for you! (And I'm going to save one in the freezer for good ol' Shadowrider ;) )

Dreamie: Also, a nice big piece for you, also :) * Hugs *

Josh Wurzel: Thanks for the b-day wishes ** Hugs ** Don't worry about the mushy card...I wouldn't want to have to clean one up, anyways ;) ** Coughs abashedly ** Yikes, bad joke...anyways, it's a present enough that you believe I really exist in RL! ;)

Gside: You get the piece of cake with the 13th candle on it. Or, if you prefer, the two smaller pieces with the 6th and 7th candles... ;)

To all the lucky people who get to attend the Gathering: Have a safe and wonderful time--eat, drink, and be merry!

Adios and a happy Flag Day to all!!!!!! :)))) (And Atlantis opens tomorrow, and less than a month until FF:The Spirits Within!)
Niamhgold
Thursday, June 14, 2001 02:18:45 PM
IP: lac-flex208.ncia.net

*enters, followed by D-chan, A-chan and X-kun (Mara's too tired to write out their names. How sad), the three battling with an blue imitation-leather suitcase*


Demmie-chan:: What's she got IN there, anyway?

Angie-chan:: I don't even WANT to know!

*The suitcase is then tipped onto it's side, the three chibis sitting rather patiently on it.*

Well, it took Gods knows how many hours, but I've managed to pack for the Gathering. I know what your thinking.. what will I wear for the week prior to it's start? Well, I've gone Xanatosian and have thought up a contingences.

*goes behind a silk screen, changing out of her clothes, and reappears in sack cloth*

Hell. It beats trying to walk around in a barrel. No onto talking to stuff.

Josh::<<or that Mara is sorta pretty>>: Isn't that one just a LITTLE bit subjective?

Beauty is always subjective. * smiles brightly, and brushes hair back in Anime-style, glitter and sparkles flying everywhere* Ack... takes forever for that to wash out of hair... How embarrassing. *Angie-chan gets up and starts to sweep up the shiny bits of metallic stuff*

Aaron::Daniel J> (Missed this one before) <<Or is Mara the only one who can say that?>> Nah, Mara's cool with people worshiping me. ;)

Hee hee... Yes, worship my boyfriend...not like I don't already. *insufferably cute*

THEChristine Morgan:: and I know that I never have under my alias ... she's shy ; )

Bara??? Four?? (my word for confusion) You've never posted under your alias?? Bara?

Jennifer L Anderson:: Some people are so irritated with me on a daily basis that they ONLY refer to me as 'Crzy'. Like my NAME can hurt them. ::rolls her eyes::

I'm not scared of your name. *winks*

Josh:: <<Faker'n a silicone breast implant!>>: Whoa.


Dude, that's as fake as they get. Save maybe for saline, but those are obsolete, maaan...

<<a lovelier bust couldn't have been made>>: Britney Spears begs to differ.

LOL!!!!!!!!

Well.. I waited until there were only 8 days until the con to get REALLY sappy and sentimental with the guy I've been with for 10 months... (Heh, apparently some of you thought it was earlier even then 10 months ago. Wish you had let us in on it) but at any rate.. Aaron, I'll see you in 7 days 6 hours and 4 minutes. Til then...

*gives him one of those kisses you only hear about at the end of fairytales.*

Come what may... I will love you, til my dying day.

Shinigami - [Freedom, Beauty, Truth and Love!!!!!!]
Thursday, June 14, 2001 01:56:11 PM
IP: ac8b5d2c.ipt.aol.com

heya, Guys!

one week till the Gathering! Huzza!

first, could somebody here review tuesday's episode Witchblade, please?

Also, I got today the graphic novel of Atlantis the Lost Empire (from Dark Horse, with a cover by Mike Mignola!), and from the look of it, the movie's kicking hides!

Josh> Oh, believe me, Tim and Becca do exist. Tim's really a nice guy and Becca a really cute kid. *waves at Tim and Christine*

BTW...

Christine, did you received my email for the Avalon Mist's caption contest?

And for finishing with this post, a li'l shameless plug: *******
the first issue of the fic bulletin, "Broken Mirror News" has been added in the GWF, and fanfiction.net
my first story in solo since the begining of my collaboration with Pistoff, Maine View is around the middle of being written. I hope I'll be able to have it finished for the Gathering.
********

that's all for now!
catch ya all later, and for those who will attend the Gathering, see you there :)

Denis, aka Malkavien - [malkavien@lft.be]
Thursday, June 14, 2001 01:48:40 PM
IP: adsl-33223.turboline.skynet.be

Nothing going on at work today, so I went home. One of the perks of working for your dad. I don't get paid for not working, but I do set my own hours. So I'm home working a shift of tech support that might actually make me a few bucks.

Tonight I'm going to dinner with a bunch of relatives to celebrate my cousin's graduation from Georgetown Law, where he graduated Cum Laude. Anyway, it should be interesting, as some of the relatives that will be there are people we don't speak to anymore (because they're jerks, to put it nicely). Can't wait for the fireworks!

Crzy: <<they ONLY refer to me as 'Crzy'>>: I'm sorry, do you *HAVE* a real name? ;-)

Gside: <<hedge trimmer>>: That sounds painful. I agree with FS...wtf were you doing with a hedge trimmer?!

Greg: <<things are really looking up>>: I know a view of a light fixture on my ceiling always makes me happier. ;-)

FS: <<I would like to know your thoughts as to why it won't work>>: You will not be able to efficiently use a massive wheel to store energy. Even if you grease it and keep it in a vacuum and who knows what else, friction and other real-life forces will slow it down. The amount of energy you'll have to keep putting into it borders on wasteful. Why don't you just buy a gas generator. You put 5 gallons of gas in it, ONCE, and you let it sit until you need it. That'll keep your computer running for days. And lets not forget the other stuff in your home that would need electricity far more urgently than your computer, like your refridgerator. A flywheel simply will not power that stuff for very long. Perhaps if you used solar and wind power to keep it spinning, but you would need massive (and expensive) panels to keep it rotating at the speed required to maintain the amount of energy you suggested. <<Did you read about that?>>: I did. I laughed. <<Dare we think Tom Cruise is gay?>>: Lets just say that if *I* was living with Nicole Kidman there wouldn't be any problems conceiving a child. <<Hillary CLinton actually wears the pants>>: She does. <<the time will be 1:38 am eastern time>>: Okay so the CR clock is half an hour behind my clock...whoa so I'm posting in the past! So why isn't this post already here? ;-) <<what is your opinion>>: What part of "Gargoyles" Fan Website is confusing?

Azrael: <<those with "proof" that he is gay>>: Two words, dude: Nicole Kidman.

If someone told me I had a disease that prevented me from eating sweets and salts, I'd pretty much just go home and kill myself. Seriously. Eating is one of those simple pleasures that I expect to be able to enjoy all my days. Chocolate is one of my favorite things in the world. I'm a junk-food addict. I couldn't give it up, even if it would kill me. I've been lucky to be as healthy and as in great shape as I am...I pray it never changes.

Niamhgold: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! No mushy card from me ;-)

Christine: <<I'm by golly going to be bad about it>>: Feel free to send Stephen's shipment to me instead ;-). <<neither Tim nor Becca have ever posted in here>>: Maybe THEY don't exist... <<Dunno if that's official enough for you>>: Indeed it is. I don't have a name for my guest yet as I am pretty much selling my ticket someone I don't know. Anyway, thanks.

Aaron: <<when they Joyrided a character on Angel>>: Huh? Of what do you speak? <<my respect for the rest of you is undimmed>>: You obviously haven't been hanging out in the CR long enough! <<or that Mara is sorta pretty>>: Isn't that one just a LITTLE bit subjective? <<DC's not real either>>: Oh, I'd say DC is VERY real. Obnoxiously so. <<sushi to sapphires>>: What on earth does THAT mean? <<two foot high angst-ridden clone of Brooklyn living in my house>>: Look, Boss! De plane! De plane! <<with whom you have amazing sex under a tarp in the rain in the back of your pickup?>>: I've been around a few times/places, and I really can't think of a more uncomfortable place to have sex. <<going to have some bi-monthly crisis like clockwork>>: Its called: LIFE. <<time and effort it's taken Doug>>: That is a logical fallacy. He could be putting it together on the fly, which might explain the "inconsistencies" you've found. <<HFIL>>: What is this word? <<Mara's cool with people worshiping me>>: Its nice to have people covet your significant other, isn't it? <<subsonic by necessity>>: And so are stealth bombers. Amazing, when you consider that it would take 5 times longer for them to reach targets than their non-stealth counterparts. Fortunately, the Raptor blazes along at Mach 1.7, I believe, which is still pretty pokey compared to the F-15. <<I don't make your list>>: Refer to the whole robby/aaron thing, which took place JUST after I joined CR 8-) So I'm a little suspicious. I'm certain ONE of you exists, just not sure which one yet. <<I don't room with imaginary people>>: What about the monsters under your bed?

Warpmind: <<Does that mean we can't address Josh by his first name anymore?>>: You can always call me "Imzadi". Some other people in here do. <<the biological urges should be confined to indoors occasions>>: I whole-heartedly disagree. <<one of my math teachers once called me "Luke Skywalker">>: LOL. <<I wouldn't worry too much about the newlyweds jokes>>: Yeah, we'll be making too much fun of "baldy" over here ::points at warps:: <<figment of the CR's imagination>>: That explains a lot.

Look there's been a lot of talk about lying and mistrust in here, and I want everyone to know that if you doubt something I've said, call me on it, either publicly or by email, and I'll verify it or fess up. I don't think I've said anything about myself that isn't true (in here!), but I don't want people in here to not trust me, even if I *AM* a lying cheating slimeball guttermouth/brain. ;-)

A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Thursday, June 14, 2001 01:07:12 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-123.nhwd02.pacbell.net

*Warpmind enters, hacking and coughing.*
Thank GOODNESS this cold is receding at last... With just a week left before I go, I don't have the TIME to be sick. :(

DPH: I haven't got a clue what the sizes of cities in Arkansas are like... but in Norway, the average "city" is in the range of 50,000-80,000 citizens... unless I miss my mark badly. Far as I know, there are only five Norwegian cities with a six-digit population, and there are LOTS with a lot less... ego-tripping localpoliticians claiming city-status for their little sub-suburbs... *Grumble* And I hear ya on the math issue... I got loads of flak on a daily basis for missing steps.

Aaron: Cut back on the four-letter words? Does that mean we can't address Josh by his first name anymore? };) But seriously, point taken. I may have slipped up a LOT more than I should...

Mr. Wurzel: I was referring to the humanity bit... the biological urges should be confined to indoors occasions. };) And, yes, I'm a rebel. And a tarot-card-carrying rebel, to boot!

Daniel Johnson: Same here... one of my math teachers once called me "Luke Skywalker", since I seemed to rely more on "The Force" than on the calculator. :/

Gside: The Magus' scythe folded at the joint between the blade and the handle, right? The Grim Fandango scythe folds up so many times, the blade's tripled and it's small enough to fit in yer POCKET!!! :D

Moochie: Trust me, shaving your FACE is easy enough without a mirror. After all, you bring FOOD to your face every day. How often do you bring something up to the back of your own head? (And I doubt Lynati will scratch me up... really...)

Christine: Igor plushies? HUZZAH! ;)

Fire Storm: Perzacktly! Who needs to get what everyone knows verified? Men are obsessed with sex from nature's side. We don't need books to prove it! (But then, I've encountered women with a far higher threshold for kink than any man I've ever heard of... Marquis de Sade and Wilhelm Masoch not counting...)

Mecord: You're perfectly right. I exist solely as a manifestation of the collective imagination of this CR. Or maybe I'm a shinnentai... *Shrug* I'm not sure... };) (Oh, and if I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about the newlyweds jokes at The Gathering...)

Stephen Sobotka: A tip from a friend of mine: Cut back on sweets, bread and potatoes and such stuff, increase on meat and vitamin-right fruit, and get LOADS of vitamin C... (I can't attest that it'll work perfectly, but it can't hurt much... if you need to lower blood sugar quickly.)

Jannie: Best of luck to your dad. Good thing he's still high-spirited; it's a sign of recovery.

Christine again: "Shameless Plug III: Labyrinth"? Um, uh... don't tell me... *Coldsweats* please not that David Bowie movie... *Twitch* Nyaaagh! *Cowers*

Well, that's about it... I'm not getting into the Doug/Kit thing out of health reasons, but the death penalty issue I WANT to speak my mind on...

USA practices death penalty, and gets a lot of flak over it. However, the number of executions each year is far too low in comparison to the number of people sentenced to death every year. So Death Row is filled to the brim. Efficiency, people! Efficiency! Another thing is the protests against death penalty... okay, in Norway, the maximum penalty for one murder or several is the same: life. HOWEVER! In Norway, a life sentence is defined as 21 years. Less with good behavior. And then, after about two decades in what can best be described as a two-star hotel without the option to check out early, they're RELEASED BACK INTO SOCIETY!!! With the really sick individuals, how many are willing to bet whether or not such people might kill again? The Bible clearly states that if a man is unanimously found guilty of murder, the government shall have him executed. This is as much to prevent others from doing the same, as to prevent repeats. However, the Bible also states that if only one juror/judge doubts in the accused's guilt, there's but one option: Not Guilty. I am pro death penalty, 'cause frankly, I'd *much* rather know that people who have actively planned, and then taken other peoples' lives are being permanently wiped off the face of the earth. But I must add: I only condone death penalty for murder one. Manslaughter is another matter entirely. That's about all I had to say... Later, gang. Oh, and in case you wondered, I am *still* just a figment of your imagination. Or maybe it's my imagination... Seeyalater!
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:56:30 PM
IP: mp-217-206-183.daxnet.no

*Sits at the keyboard with a band-aid on my arm.*

Ahh Stephen, so you ain't the only one on the prick express! I'm anxious to see if I've brought my cholesterol down from its radioactive levels three months ago. That's too bad about the condition. All I can say that if your blood presseure is getting the best of you, thank goodness you're not in my racket! (I was scrambling to get some color proofs out yesterday. Why can't our printer work faster with verbal threats?) Anyway, I hope everything is going better with you these days. Last we talked it seemed you had nowhere to go but up. Drop me a message sometime! As for the cookies, you can send 'em my way, Christine! ;)
Vig - [vigistry@mint.net]
Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:27:07 PM
IP: qs-w-1033.mint.net

Alright, to address a few more points.

First off, this was not something done gleefully, or lightly. I would have been content had Doug simply admitted his lie, or even just toned it down a little (i.e. no more posts about he and "Kit"'s sex life. Although quite frankly, I agree with SJ on this, some of Doug's stuff was starting to get pretty disturbing. Like when they Joyrided a character on Angel who was mean to Cordy) And I assure you, it is being done with as much respect as I can muster at this moment. (For Doug that is. Obviously, my respect for the rest of you is undimmed) But in light of the whole "Miller" fiasco, we simply didn't think we could let it go on any longer.

Moochie> <Seniority> To me, the length of Doug's stay here makes what he has done *worse*, not more deserving of consideration. Doug has, in essence, lied to me from the moment I met him. He has lied to us all, from the week, if not the day this room opened. (Maybe longer. The S8 room doesn't have an equivalent to FS and LM, and I wasn't around back then, so I have no idea if "Kit" was a regular poster back then too)

FS> <<I CANNOT believe I am doing this!>> Life is often strange, especially ‘round her. Especially now. <<we all embelish our stories a little!>> Embellish? Saying "Kit"'s life was embellished a little is like saying Houston has had a little rain, that California has a minor energy problem, or that Mara is sorta pretty.

<<does anyone in here really think I am a Xenomorph? Nope>> Dude, you're not?!? Say it ain't so! Next thing you'll tell me DC's not real either. ;)

As for proving our existence, I have a driver's license, so you can see what I looked like at 18. I have my expired license, from when I was 17. I have a college ID. (19) I have a high school ID. (16) (It's in pretty crappy shape, but I still have it) I have a HS diploma. I have a SS#. I have tax records. I have credit cards. I have a birth certificate. I have lots of little things, like a Book Stop card, and a DCI#. There are four HS yearbooks, and three Jr. High ones with my name and face in them. I have a life, and a past. And I have half of that stuff on me, and I could produce the rest of it in a few hours. If I'm a lie, I'm a damn good one. (And if someone doubted my existence, I'd sure as heck take some steps to prove otherwise, not give them the finger and disappear. (Heh. We may be getting two middle fingers, but sushi to sapphires they're connected to the same body)

Our alter-egos> I have my chibis. I even let them post for me occasionally. But I acknowledge that they're fictional characters (from stories that are mostly unwritten. Sigh) I don't tell everyone that I really have a two foot high angst-ridden clone of Brooklyn living in my house. <<GB and the Rev>> But at the end of the day, was there ever any doubt that they were a guy from New Orleans named Thomas Forsythe? Nor did GB ever claim otherwise. <<Wilek and Miriam Baxter>> First, when was the last time Wilek even mentioned Miriam? When the Joyride was in it's heyday, something like a year and a half ago? Second, I don't remember Wilek ever posting as Miriam, (maybe he did before I got here, I don't know) or insisting she was real. And third... At this point, I find it easier to believe that Wilek really *is* a blue gargoyle who breeds Xenomorphs in his basement then *anything* Doug told us. At least Wilek's consistent.

You Know Who> Yes, we do. Doug, if you ever want to apologize and be part of the room again, just c'mon back, y'hear.

Josh> <<lets not start with the talking cats!>> Again, there's a difference between making up something that's so out there everyone knows it a joke, and making up something nearly as out there and insisting it's real. That and GB never got violently offended by the suggestion that he was Attilla.

Azrael> <<what differnce should it make to you?>> I don't know, are you going to tell us that Baughb (How the heck would you pronounce that, btw) is your significant other, with whom you have amazing sex under a tarp in the rain in the back of your pickup? Are you going to tell us about all the wild adventures you and Baughb have with your larger then life friends? Are you and Baughb going to have some bi-monthly crisis like clockwork that requires an outpouring of sympathy from the rest of us? In short, are you going to claim that Baughb is a totally separate entity from you instead of another handle? If not, fine. Go for it. (It'll be confusing as heck tho')

<<spend all that time>> You seem to think this was hard. This stuff was just laying around, easily findable. What we've presented doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the suspicious, bizarre, and downright farcical in the narrative that is Doug's so-called life.

<<a sad statement about the kind of free time you have on your hands>> Us?!? What about the time and effort it's taken Doug to write this entire elaborate backstory for Kit, and the details of their "life" together? What kind of statement does that make?

And again, you're acting like this was done for fun. I would have been much happier had I been wrong. But frankly, I was starting to get a little scared of Doug. Hell, I still am.

I could stand in a high place in the CR, point my finger, and make a dramatic speech about trust, justice, and the CRian way. But I won't. If I said I'd never lied, I'd have a redwood hanging off the end of my face.

So instead of Amelia-style, I'll go Lina-esque, and just say that I don't like being f**ked with. I consider myself a pretty cynical person, and I'm appalled at the ease at which I was taken in. I didn't believe it either, until I had the preliminary evidence pointed out me, and I couldn't ignore the possibility anymore.

Honestly, this is probably what irks me more then anything else. It just pisses the HFIL out of me that this wasn't even *hard*. Doug has been lying to us for years, and he wasn't even trying very hard to be consistent, or even believable. He simply took advantage of our trust, and our good natures. He has solicited our loyalty, our sympathy, and our *friendship* all under false pretenses. Frankly, I'm surprised we didn't call him on this years ago.

Ironically, Doug was right about one thing. We do need trust. We *should* be able to trust the people we meet in here. Unfortunately, he's also the one who's done the most damage to our collective trust. I'm having to struggle not to be suspicious of everyone and everything. And that is a horrible thing to happen to this place, and why, quite frankly, I was the one who pushed for posting what we had. To paraphrase someone Doug and "Kit" killed in their RP: "Slim Admin is tired of your sh!t, and he's going to bust you." So revile me if you want.

And Doug, if you're reading this, please, if you don't get help at Charter, get help somewhere.

Speaking of which...

"Edward Toy"> Tell me, why does someone in Buffalo NY have an IP address from The Woodlands, Texas? Splitrock.net serves the Austin area, I believe...



And now, for some more normal replies.

Daniel J> (Missed this one before) <<Or is Mara the only one who can say that?>> Nah, Mara's cool with people worshiping me. ;)

Lain> I'm sorry your dad continues to be such a complete dick. I think you should go with FS's suggestion.

FS> <<Disney: Interesting news: Disney park employees can now clean their own underware!>> I don't even want to know, and yet... <<if you are in a F-117 going Mach 1>> That would be quite a trick, since I was under the impression that Stealth Fighters were subsonic by necessity.

LM> <<Keep up the fantastic work! :)>> Do I detect a hint of sarcasm? ;)

Cat> Welcome back, congratulations, and I hope to see you at the Gathering.

Aris> <<Enjoy your guns, enjoy your death-penalty;>> I will, thank you. <<but know they don't help you one bit>> So, this morning's report that violent crime was at a fifteen-year low means nothing?

Josh> <<people I am reasonably convinced exist: Me>> That's usually a comforting assumption. Though I notice I don't make your list of extant people.

Gside> Ouch. Hope you feel better soon.

Crzy> Keith David? PIMP! (It's a new word we learned. It indicates a positive response)

Steve> I believe you're real. I don't room with imaginary people.

Jannie> <<Your dad>> That man must be one hard-core dude. Hope he's better soon.

And, thanks to Kyryn, I did manage to find a pic of Robby and I in the same place, taken after the cosplay. (And it's not even of the backs of our heads this time) L-R, Robby, Heather, me, and Johnathan. Click my name.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:01:01 AM
IP: 209.33.140.102

Stephen > sorry, no; if I'm gonna bake cookies, I'm by golly going to be bad about it ... sugar, butter, all that terrible stuff ; ) Shame about the test results, uck, but I suppose it could have been worse!

Jannie > all my best to your dad; at least it seems like he's keeping his sense of humor and a good attitude is always a help!

Fire Storm > to my knowledge, neither Tim nor Becca have ever posted in here, and I know that I never have under my alias ... she's shy ; )

Josh > for what it's worth, on the list of registered Gathering attendees, you're listed and so is "guest of", which came to me right from Patrick. Dunno if that's official enough for you, but it's what will be in the booklet and on the badge (unless you have a name for me by, oh, say, tomorrow when I finalize the darn booklet before going to press).

Update > I will have two new stories to post, hopefully tomorrow. "The Dissidents: Daughter of the Sun" and "Shameless Plug III: Labyrinth," will be joining "The Legend of Lizard Valley" (originally in AvMists) on my site. So will some new stories by Kimberly. I hope. If I have time. Goes to show how swamped I've been when the Dissidents one's been done for a full week now and I still haven't gotten it posted.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:48:33 AM
IP: 14-072.075.popsite.net

Just dropping in for a quick note of cheer. The room seems to be in need of that sort of thing...

Happy Birthday Niamhgold! **big birthday huggles** Have a wonderful day and plenty of great times mixed with good times! ;) I'm off to make you a mushy E-card now. :D

Also Happy Flag Day! Niamhgold knows what I'm talking about here!

I'll post more later. There are plenty of things I want to reply to. So until then, smell ya later!

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Thursday, June 14, 2001 09:01:09 AM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

Just dropping in fro a quick note of cheer. The room seems to be in need of this...

Happy Birthday Niamhgold! Have a wonderful day and plenty of great times mixed with good times. ;) I'm off to make you a mushy E-card now.

Also Happy Flag Day! Niamhgold knows what I'm talking about here!

I'll post more later. There are plenty of things I want to reply to. So until then, smell ya later!
Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Thursday, June 14, 2001 09:00:07 AM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

oops, didn't see Stephen's post...

hon, I wouldn't panic just yet... your blood pressure is only *slightly* high, but yet in the acceptable range. I don't know your weight situation, but if you are a bit overweight, dropping just 5 lbs could lower your BP to an even better rate. Watch the bottom number on that - if it goes over 90, then you need to see about getting it lowered... I realize 89 is close, but also remember that it requires several bp readings to see what your average is.
Your blood sugar count is a little high (average is 100) but not enough to worry about being diabetic. My friend's sugar count is in the 400 range.
Yes, you should back off of the sweets a little ;)
I would love to have your blood pressure! *chuckles* Mine was running 180/110 for a long time. Hopefully the new meds that I'm on is keeping it down into the 140/85 range.
BP can easily be controlled with medication, diet, and weight.
*hugs* good luck, my friend. I know that changing habits and lifestyles are not an easy task.
Jannie
Thursday, June 14, 2001 06:46:06 AM
IP: modem17-58.mo-net.com

Jannie> We're all still hopin' for 'ya, but one thing in you post to Aris, I couldn't pass up <it's called behaviour/consequence> Reminds me of a FarSide- two amoeba's in their amoeba living room: Caption "Stimulus/Response, Stimulus/Response. Don't you ever THINK?"

Of course, in an odd way that does pertain to the discussion, but I'm not sure what it does to my world view suddenly to realize the FarSide makes sense...
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, June 14, 2001 06:21:22 AM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Aris> <<Your crime rates are ridiculously high. Enjoy your guns, enjoy your death-penalty; but know they don't help you one bit.>>
Europe's crime rates are also thru the roof - apparently ya'll don't have the right answer either.
Yes, they do help - I know that the ones that have been executed will never be back on the streets again to commit another crime.
The death penality is a consequence. The criminal knows that it's a possibility to be executed when he/she commits such crime. It's called, behavior/consequence.

Lain> I believe that mcveigh is a spawn of satan. Anyone who would blow up a building of innocent people, (children included) has no remorse, and then say he wants his ashes spread over the city that he tried to destroy. And for what?? because he didn't agree with the government over the Waco situation. He is as evil as they come. He murdered 168 people in a matter of seconds. He KNEW there was a daycare in that building. (they have him on video standing in front of the daycare the day before the bombing)

Update on my dad: the CAT scan showed internal bleeding and the blood was pooling around the right side of his chest - where he has broken ribs. It also showed that he had multiple breaks (instead of just the 2 ribs broken) They said that the ribs appear to be crushed....which has also caused the lining and muscle area to be shredded like hamburger (causing the internal bleeding). A chest surgeon examined him and then placed a drainage tube out of his side for the blood. The Dr. said that it would ooze and drip out, taking up to 2 days to drain. (If it didn't completely drain in the 2 days, he would have to go in surgically and suction the blood out) Well, they placed the tube into him and within seconds, he filled 2 liters of blood. O.o Everyone was shocked and amazed.
They are pretty certain that all of these symptoms that he has been having are related to the internal bleeding. The heart is effected because with the blood in there, it sloshes the heart around and therefore gives different EKG readings and shows stress. The shortness of breath was because the blood pushing down on the lungs - plus the lower part of his lung has collapsed.
Dad is relieved to know that he won't have to have another bypass and that his heart is probably ok. They will be doing a thalium stress test on him sometime today or tomorrow to make sure.
Gosh, the poor guy.. when they inserted the tube in his side, it was done without much painkiller. They gave him a shot of morphine, but didn't wait for it to take effect. We heard him yelling while we were in the waiting room.
His spirits were up afterwards... he was joking around a lot. Afterwards, this young guy came in the breathing thingy....
Young man: (filling out paperwork and joking with dad)
Are you male or female?
Dad: *checks under the sheet* Well, I'm not sure right now, it hasn't come back out yet.
Young man: *laughing* ooohhkkayyy... how tall are you, sir?
Dad: before they put the tube in I was 5'8", now I've shriveled down to 5'4"
So, we will continue the waiting game to see if they have stopped the bleeding.
I was somewhat disappointed that the gang from HeeHaw wasn't there yesterday. Only the girlfriend and fatboy were around. Ohwell, maybe today will have some entertainment.
The bell lady was there for a while, though. This huge chicka walks around with large bells on her shoes and wears a cat collar/bell around her ankle. She wears skimpy clothes - usually biker shorts and workout bras (she weighs no less than 200 lbs.) and has a single long tooth that sticks out over her bottom lip. It's extremely difficult to converse with her without staring at the lone tooth *nods*

Another day to journey to Joplin, MO and wait around in the hospital. heh, I'm going to take my time today and see if I can't spot a mall or two on my way to the hospital ;)
Jannie
Thursday, June 14, 2001 06:10:26 AM
IP: modem17-58.mo-net.com

Greetings...

Not going to say much about some of the things going on in here, save that I hope people believe I'm real...

Speaking of real, I got a real scare today when I visited the VA Hospital to get set up with a primary care provider... they ran a full battery of Lab tests today, and the results were...

Cholesterol - good
Glycerides - good
Red Cell Count - good
White Cell Count - good
Urinalysis - good
Blood Sugar - <LOUD WARNING KLAXON!>

Turns out my glucose number was 147 after Fasting... and that worried the doctors. Combined with my lack of weight loss and other factors, I may be borderline glucose intolorant... which is to say they don't think that I am diabetic, but they want to run more tests to be sure.

What they were sure of though was that I have a dangerous blood pressure level : 170/89... so, I got a brand new digital BP monitor and a order of BP meds to start on...

What this all ultimately means is my lifestyle has to change. I've already been told I will have to see a dietician, another diabetic specialist, and in the mean time I have to lay off the sugars and salts... (looks over at Christine) Which means unless you've got some sugar-free recipies, I may have to hold off on the next Christmas cookie batches.

Though I'm not completely devastated yet, this was a big shocker to me today... I've heard of people that have died from BP or diabetic troubles, and I really don't want to be another one that joins that list...

anyway, that's all from me... maintain and check six.

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, UDA
Thursday, June 14, 2001 05:10:18 AM
IP: 2416419hfc196.tampabay.rr.com

Sorry for the second post, missed something the first time...

Aris> The Death Penalty is not about "Deterance" nor about "Revenge." It is about protecting the social contract. When someone joins society (generally around there 17th birthday in the US) they then owe certain obligations to every other member of society. Little things like not stealing, not murdering, ect. In return, society then agrees to protect them. Sometimes we fail. We miss a wacko who should have been caught long before he was. In those times, after the wacko has just proven that s/he has no interest in following society's rules, we have to sepparte said wacko from the rest of society, until such time as we feel they deserve another chance. With some, this is as little as a few days, with others, several years, but some we know will never conform to the basic rules of decency that are society, and must be removed permanantly. Life sentences are subject to several things: parole primarily, and in some cases- escape. The parole I have some problem with, but not much, but escape. That one bothers me. Escapees have not only spurned society's rules, but then decide to attempt to Force their way back in, so they can betray us again. It is those people, the ones we know should never see the light of day again, but are so messed up they don't understand why what they did was wrong who we decide should face the death penalty. Tim McVeigh was one such. David Karadeen (SP?) several years ago probably would have been another, though we'll never know for sure.

I am perhaps more ready to mete out the death penalty than many others, but I also realize that while many feel people can be "redemed" I feel that in THIS life, that doesn't matter. If I slaughter hundreds of innocent people, then for the good of society I must die. If I truly repent, I recieve forgiveness from God, and I'll go to heaven afterwords, but that does not excuse me from the punishment society was forced to give me at the time.
Azrael - [azrael]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, June 14, 2001 02:23:54 AM
IP: 63.170.182.2

FireStorm> So the fact that they are "Celebrities" makes it okay to gossip? It makes it right? That is exactly like Tim McVeigh saying those he murdered worked for a government he hated and so it was okay to kill them all. Perhaps on a smaller scale, but still the same.

The fact of the matter is that something so ultimately trivial should never have been brought up, especially by one of the room admins. It is one thing to believe something, it is something else to spread it around in an attempt of character assassination. That's all gossip is- character assassination. There is a reason Tom Cruise can bring anti-defemation lawsuits against those with "proof" that he is gay.
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:01:17 AM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Quick question: What is your opinion about posting small, non-gargoyles stories and/or poems in the GFW?
Fire Storm
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:15:42 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Moochie: <Yeah. And while you're at it, a basic question about applied physics. Does a rocket's initial velocity affect it's
acceleration?>
IF I understand what you are asking me, if you are in a F-117 going Mach 1 and you fire a rocket that has a maximum speed of
Mach 5, that rocket does not need to work it's way up to Mach 1. It can hit it's maximum velocity alot faster, but it dosn't
affect the final maximum velocity.
<And would a greater percentage of it's speed be lost by accelerating and then kicking in the moor, or by kicking in the
motor, and then accelerating the payload off THAT?>
Qua?
#1 You are in the F-117 and you fire the rocket
#2 You fire the rocket from a stationary ground target
IF thats what you are asking, then #1 is more efficient. The rocket dosn't have to accelerate to Mach 1, so you saved it
some initial power.
Now the range is probally not affected a whole lot. Maybe 5-10%

DPH: <I won't comment about the Doug/Kit issue except to ask a question. Can anyone state the odds of any 2 people in this
CR saving the same IP address and not being the same people?>
According to that, it is very likely that Lady Mystic and myself are the same person, yet we are different people. (There
are proablly some pictures from G99 to prove that)
The odds depend on wether you think people in this fandom could possibly have a relationship with someone that likes
Gargoyles, have the realtion ship bloom and then those two move in with each other.
Or for a long term couple get into the fandom together.
Or they could be on AOL.
IF you take into account that there are so few live-in couples in this Fandom, especially this CR, I would say less than 5%.
Sure, sure, there is always Christine's hubby and daughter posting in here occasionaly, and there is LM and myself, but even
if there were 3 times the number of actual couples, they still wouldn't take up more than 5% of this CR.

Imzadi: <I'm certain Murphy has something to say about the probability of THAT occuring>
I know for a FACT that the part he replaced was broken. I saw that it was broken before he fixed it.
He just didn't need all the parts. And since he was honest, I am more likely to go back there.
<I'm telling you, this will not work>
I would like to know your thoughts as to why it won't work.
<You're NOT!?>
Not today. Yesterday, yes. Tomorrow... who knows?
<Nothing that can't be photoshopped>
Reminds me of some pictures I have done...
<Whew! I was about to never go to that park again!>
Did you read about that?

Azrael: <How. Dare. You.>
How dare we what? Dare we think Tom Cruise is gay? Dare we think that Hillary CLinton actually wears the pants in the family?
Doug and Lisa are CR celebirites. Gossip is to be expected.

Gside: <stupidity on my part that resulted in a sliver being removed from my left hand my a hedge trimmer>
Now THAT was stupid... But I have done worse! ;)
Get better. I hope there is no permanet scars or loss of movement from this.
Did you have stitches? If not, WHY NOT? Hell, if I actually got stitches for my little 'accident' I wouldn't HAVE that scar on my thumb! The benefits of medical attention.
Burns? Doctor. No scar.
Cut? No doctor. Scar.
I rest my case!
Hey... you are a computer guy... what were you doing using yard tools anyway?!?!?!?

At the tone, the time will be 1:38 am eastern time.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:08:08 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

**A figure slowly fades into the room and a low chuckle emenates from him. The elf bursts into a good belly laugh for a brief moment befor composing himself to comment**

Kit/Doug>> I find this whole thing humerous in a way. If I were to get Ray Bradburyish then none of you exist except as figments of MY imagination. But I willingly choose to accept that you exist and that I will meet some of you at the gathering and hope to meet more of you in the future, including Kit and Doug.

Lian>> I don't know what to say except, we're all pulling for you here.

Marriage>> SATURDAY!!!!!!! we'll have to scan pictures when we get them. I wish you all well since this will be the last post from me untill after the honeymoon and after we get the computers set up and online in the new pad. For those of you going to the gathering look for the redhead and the blond, we wear a lot of black as well. :)

Later

**The elf fades away as he runs to a distant meowing and the chime of church bells**
Mecord
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 09:01:09 PM
IP: proxy1-external.logan1.ut.home.com

Jen> Keith David?! Now that would be cool. I met the guy briefly last summer, so it'd be cool to see him again.

Things are really looking up.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 08:48:57 PM
IP: dialin-959-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

I am typing this one handed. Not because of that, but because of stupidity on my part that resulted in a sliver being removed from my left hand my a hedge trimmer. It hurts a good bit, and I don't feel like ty[ing a whole post like this, so that's it from me.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 08:16:13 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

NOTE: The time is off by a few hours. It is now 11:41 PM eastern time.
Fire Storm
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 08:12:10 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Test... test... test...
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 08:11:34 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

SJ - "I'm particularly looking forward to the CrzyDemona post telling me that I've killed the CR because I'm tearing down Doug for my own amusement."

You killed the comment room?? I don't think I could ever give you that much credit. As much as you would like the title, you aren't getting it from me. Sorry dude. Now... put DOWN the crack pipe! Step away... slowly... good boy.

Online persona's - GAH. I keep trying to SHAKE CrzyDemona. But I have used it for so long when I post as ME, people are like "NEWBIE... KILL!" But I do tend to bring those sort of feelings up in people whether they know me or not. :P (I said it so you don't have to! hee hee!) Some people are so irritated with me on a daily basis that they ONLY refer to me as 'Crzy'. Like my NAME can hurt them. ::rolls her eyes::

Oh well... Sneek peek on some Gathering NEWS... Two words... KEITH DAVID. More information to follow soon....
CrzyDemona
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 08:10:50 PM
IP: 1cust128.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Woo hoo! Short day at work so I can take pictures with the family for my bro's barmitzvah.

Peter: <<this was done so>>: I know why it was done. Doesn't make it any less crappy, or any more visible.

Lain: <<therefore it legally appears to belong to him>>: I don't know what the rules are in Canada, but here in the US, we have something called tax law. Here's how it works: parents are allowed to give things to their children: gifts, money, whatever, up to $10,000 a year tax-free. If your dad has a shred of IQ, he probably used this to get money and other items into your name before your 18th birthday, tax-free. If he did this, that stuff is LEGALLY yours. How do you know if he did this? Well, you subpeona his tax returns! YAY! There's nothing adults love more than an IRS audit! Anyway, if he didn't list specific items and just listed cash amounts for his gifts, then you are legally entitled to TAKE gifts up to the values listed in his tax forms. Now all you need is a lawyer... <<i can stuff bill gates and microsoft AND thwart my father at the same time!>>: Ah, the true definition of "have your cake and eat it too". <<pay attention to me>>: I don't say this often, but YOU ARE SUCH A DRAMA QUEEN! <<who has no balls NOW>>: ::checks pants:: Me, still.

SJ: <<use my arm as a flagpole>>: kinky.

Real/fake people: There are a few people I am reasonably convinced exist: Me, Lain, Warpmind, Dreamie, Niamhgold, Firestorm, Lady Mystic, Aingeal, Coyote, Lynati, and Ravyn. SJ is a maybe. He really could be my other, funny side. Though quite frankly, I can't imagine that I have enough time to have another personality. Wilek is also a maybe. I hadn't thought about it, but maybe Kit doesn't exist in light of this evidence.

The point, my friends, is that I don't give a rat's butt who's real and who's not. We all use aliases on the internet; I think I'm one of FOUR people that posts in here with my real name. But for all you guys know, I'm really SJ, not just a clone as some of you suspect. Sure, I have a website, a picture, a "personality" that's somewhat different from SJ's, but all those can be faked. Easily.

I'm not "hurt" by the idea of someone making up a poster. People are weird, especially those freaks on the internet. So if Kit is real or isn't, I'm not gonna feel hurt or betrayed.

In light of Moochie's comments about how long Doug's been posting here, I offer the possible explanation that Doug may be going senile 8-) Oh, wait. CR's not that old! J/K

Oh I wanted to point out that MSN/people finder is NOT a reliable way to find people. I wouldn't consider that "evidence" in any sense of the word.

And one last thing: For all you people who condemn this behavior, lets not start with the talking cats!

Robby: PLEASE post said IM conversation! I'm dying of morbid curiosity!

Shinigami: <<Faker'n a silicone breast implant!>>: Whoa. <<a lovelier bust couldn't have been made>>: Britney Spears begs to differ.

Gside: <<the fourth power, I believe>>: You are correct, sir. P = (sigma)T^4 8-)

SJ again: Even if you ARE me, I can't tell, so I'm gonna keep responding to you. <<We aren't really gargoyles, or mutants, or transformers, etc.>>: Quiet! I am more than meets the eye! <<we adopt personas for fun>>: I suspect there are other reasons. <<To create a fictional character, and then write volumes of fiction>>: Okay I've got a question for you. Suppose a writer has a story (a fictional story) in which they are a character (i.e. Josh Wurzel is a character in a story I'm writing. He looks like me, thinks like me, he's me). The writer then proceeds to write many stories in this universe about how this character interacts with others, etc. Is THAT any more depraved than what you're talking about? <<has some really bad reality / fantasy issues>>: I don't think that's fair. Who's to say where the line is for reality/fantasy going to far? I have some reality/fantasy issues, so does everyone. What makes one person any worse than another? <<I don't believe virtually anything he's said about his life>>: What evidence do you have that he doesn't have a new car, house, and job at Walmart? <<will see this as me just getting in a cheap shot>>: I don't see it that way at all. As you an I are virtually the same person, I know one has nothing to do with the other ;-) <<I've killed the CR>>: Looks alive to me!

Fire Storm: <<it cost me less than they quoted me>>: I'm certain Murphy has something to say about the probability of THAT occuring. <<you can add additives that makes concrete stronger>>: I'm telling you, this will not work. <<does anyone in here really think I am a Xenomorph?>>: You're NOT!? <<how can we really prove that ANY of us really exist?>>: Nothing that can't be photoshopped. <<Disney park employees can now clean their own underware!>>: Whew! I was about to never go to that park again! <<When DOES the new SIlent Bob and Jay movie come out anyway?>>: Dunno, but reportedly its titled "Silent Bob and Jay Strike Back!"

Moochie: <<overweight and stupid, eh?>>: Yeah, pretty much. Wanna start somethin'? <<most of them are in better shape then either of us>>: Speak for yourself, fatboy! <<Does a rocket's
initial velocity affect it's acceleration?>>: As per air resistance. Not very much, even on earth.

Kathy/Gathering Staff: I have yet to recieve confirmation from ANYONE that the person I paid for has been changed to "guest of Josh Wurzel". Could someone please email me with said confirmation?

DPH: <<the same IP address and not being the same people?>>: Its called living together and sharing a connection, you putz.

Aris: <<didn't prevent McVeigh>>: No, but it will prevent him from doing any more damage. <<why should it prevent the next?>>: It doesn't matter. I only want to stop this one. Permanently. If death sentence doesn't scare the next McVeigh, then neither will life imprisonment. So you're argument isn't much better. <<the death-penalty system costs *more* money to the taxpayers than life-imprisonment would>>: I assume you're referring to the appeals process? Well, if that takes up a whole lifetime, then that certainly doesn't cost us much MORE than keeping them in jail for a long time. So maybe if we got rid of that...Oh, wait. That'd be bad. Well I still say its cheaper to shoot the bastard right away then let him rot in prison his whole life. It certainly was in the case of McVeigh, who didn't appeal.

Spacebabie: And then, when Lain moves in with you and you start posting from the same IP, we can start an argument about how one of YOU isn't real either!

Whew. Long post. That'll teach me not to post twice in one night!

Don't quote Dickens in MY apartment!
-Trey Parker, Orgazmo
(note: this is an actual rule in my apartment)

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 06:11:28 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-114.nhwd02.pacbell.net

<---I want to see this one

Doug/Kit
Atleast Doug didn't have Kit die by a drunk driver. I think I mentioned this in the room before.
Well about a year ago I was in yahoo rpg group. Two of the members were twins named Justin and Jess. they both had their own personalities and we liked both of them.
One day Justin reported Jess was killed by a drunk driver. We were all upset. The founders of the club were crying. I even mentioned "her"death here in the CR...then us club members found out Jess wasn't real that she was made up.

I felt, lied to and betrayed. I am feeling that again.

Lain>>>You need to come down here to Orlando. We'll get a place together....hey I'm sure the other members wont mind having you move in with them, Then after you get settled we get a restrainging order against your father and you can give him a survivor esc speech...something about being in a dessert with no water and vultures and snakes...
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl., U.S.A
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 05:35:03 PM
IP: user-37kaot5.dialup.mindspring.com

Azrael> Hey, is that an Elf Life reference that you just made? If so, that's cool - I don't remember seeing you in the Elflife message board, though. But nice to see a fellow Elf Life fan... :-)

Death penalty> Well, SJ asked me for my input in this, so I'm dropping my self-exile for one more message - then it's back to lurking for me...

Germany has as much a right to comment on the US human rights as any other country in the world. Even if you let aside the death-penalty issue (and I generally don't) its current human rights record is at least as good as the US. Sure, there's genocide in its past - but Germany has recognised and confronted that past. One reason more for Germany to know to oppose having the state deal out death -- and even more so having people being named "animals"; makes it easier, doesn't it? (As a sidenote - I've heard that this may also be the reason that it recently opposed euthanasia)

And France abolished the death penalty 20 years ago, IIRC. Same as Germany the question is what one does right *now*. And right now, the US is second or third in executions worldwide, after China. [Another Note: Europe has recently given both Japan and the US an ultimatum of sorts - abolish the death penalty or we are kicking you from observer-status in the Council of Europe.]

You had the death penalty. And Tim McVeigh nonetheless bombed that building. You executed him. Why do you feel any more safe? The death penalty didn't prevent him before. Why should it prevent the next Tim McVeigh?

We can't have justice. Justice would be for those people to live again. We can only have an effort to save innocent people in the future. And all evidence shows that the death penalty does *not* act as a deterrent. That in fact, it can be an anti-deterrent. Your crime rates are ridiculously high. Enjoy your guns, enjoy your death-penalty; but know they don't help you one bit.

And if you remove the 'deterrent' excuse, all that remains is legalised murder. It's not killing as self-defense. It's not killing in a defensive war (which supposedly again saves lives). It's killing because we feel like it, because we want it, because we enjoy it, because we want 'closure'. Whatever. If it's not killing to protect, it's murder in my book.

Sure the guy deserves it. Some people deserve to be murdered. But once again - the most important thing is that his innocent victims deserved life. Why do you cheer for his death? What good did it do?

And the death-penalty system costs *more* money to the taxpayers than life-imprisonment would. So, please, let's not hear *that* specific argument again.

Anyway, I'm back to lurking... Nice seeing ya all...

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 04:19:22 PM
IP: athe530-b071.otenet.gr

I won't comment about the Doug/Kit issue except to ask a question. Can anyone state the odds of any 2 people in this CR saving the same IP address and not being the same people? I see a way for people to share the same IP address and be two different people: posting from a college campus or a public library.

That's all the time I have for now.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 03:25:33 PM
IP: max1-26.cwy.cei.net

Definintly a Corbie kind of day.

Tense in here, isn't it?

Lain> I have no idea what to say to you, other than that it would be a very good idea to move all your money to accounts on which your father isn't a signatory. I don't know about Canadian financial law, but in the US that's a common tactic of people who are about to file for divorce.

I feel great sorrow relating to your whole situation. I've always had a good relationship with my parents, so I hate seeing people having trouble with theirs. One of my friends just got married, and his parents didn't even bother to come. (not "couldn't come because they couldn't afford it" "didn't bother to come")

Jannie> Prayer and sympathy. As much for the hillbillies as for your father's condition :P
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:13:03 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

To: Gunjack "Man of Sorrows" Valentine

I am a real person, I live in West Seneca, NY. That is right next to Buffalo, NY. I am a college graduate with a degree in Computer Information Systems. Don't think that someone who has spammed this list is me. I am a moderator of the X-Men Group on Yahoo Groups. You can see my profile at http://profiles.yahoo.com/toyet24 I have like Gargolyes for years and about a year ago I found this site and read all of the episodes. I can't wait until the next one comes out.
Edward Toy - [toyet24@yahoo.com]
West Seneca, New York, United States
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:18:12 AM
IP: a010-0220.bflo.splitrock.net

jannie>> theres a difference between dancing for joy and not shedding a tear. i dont think i was, nor would i suggest that people should feel sorry for or cry over the death of timothy mcveigh. i dont think he was the big bad "spawn of satan" as spawns of satan go. ill agree that he was pretty deluded and what he did was horrorific - but in the grand scheme, worse things have been done. and nobody danced when THOSE people died.
im not saying i feel sorry for all the people in jail. im sure the vast majority of them are getting what they deserve. i was not mourning the death of timothy mcveigh, but merely expressing my disgust that people who find what mcveigh reprehensible would show such a lust and pleasure in the death of another person. i mean, not even big bad timothy felt pleasure from what he did.
thats all i was trying to say.
scripture: um... exodus 21:12-14?
.. and lots and lots of huggles about your father.. *huggle huggle*.. but at least you can still find humour in the hillbilly ho'down *grin* always best to have the humour : )

josh>> what was that you said about balls? it sounded rather like a challenge to me and you know what THAT means..
i phoned up my father with that list of things *I* "owned" (the statues, musical instruments with my MOTHERS name on the receipts, expensive clothing, my sealskin, some other things my mother bought me and other sentimental stuff etc) that i wanted and he will be bringing them forthwith.
he said "gee, it sounds like youre REALLY never planning on coming home again" and i said, "well, i think that taking someones housekeys is pretty well a universal sign of not being welcome, wouldnt you say? so i guess im just covering all my bases."
...
so *phbbbbbbt* to you, josh.. who has no balls NOW??

; )
lain
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:08:55 AM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

::Gathering Public Service Announcement::

"Guest of" memberships and secondhand dinner tickets: yes, we will honor them, providing that the original purchasers inform us directly who they are tranferring them to or the parties involved check in at the registration desk together.

Anyone attempting to simply show up at the registration desk alone saying "I'm Bert, but Ernie said I can have his seat at the dinner," will be greeted by a skeptical look if we don't know in advance from hearing from Bert himself that Ernie gets his dinner seat.


Don't forget! If you intend on registering before the convention or purchasing calendars, tee shirts or banquet reservations the mail room closes Friday at midnight. All PayPal payments must be received by this coming Saturday.

::I now return you to your current comment room controversy, already in progress::
kathy - [kapogge@excite.com]
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:42:41 AM
IP: rr-56-12-64.atl.mediaone.net

Azrael> dude! chill out before you stroke :)
There's a huge difference between posting with a few misc. screen names and pretending to be a whole different person altogether.
There is an element of trust that has possibily been broken here and that is upsetting. We are all friends here and when one breaks such a trust, it's disturbing and sad.
I'm not saying that I'm totally convinced that Doug/Kit are the same person, but I'm not dismissing the possibility either.

Lain> shugah, you are going to have to sh!t or get off the pot. You can either continue allowing your father to totally rule your life and bow down to his evident bi-polar tendencies or you can begin to build an independent life for yourself. It's not an easy road to independence, but it sounds as if it would be well worth it.
Death of mcveigh: am I dancing in the streets over his execution? nope, I wouldn't waste that kind of energy for him. But I will NOT shed a tear nor have any sadness over his death. I don't have one ounce of compassion for him nor will I accept any chastizing for that. You can be as sympathetic as you want to be towards this spawn of satan, but I will save my compassion and sympathy for the families of the 168 people blown to shreds and for the survivors that still suffer incredible pain.
Too many times bleeding hearts feel sorry for the criminal and that's one of the reasons our prisons are full. Stop feeling sorry for the person who CHOSE to commit a crime against another. They gave up their rights the moment they committed that crime. Instead of wasting emotional energies on the criminal, consider the victim. Mourn for the victims and not the criminals.
If they could have ratholed mcveigh and we would have never heard another word about him or from him for the rest of his life, then fine... do that. But, that would not have happened. He would have gotten bored and would make a statement, grant an interview, etc. Then he would have been in our faces all over again and again. He's gone and now the people can begin some kind of closure.
btw, there is scripture that condones the death penality. I'll have to refresh my memory on where it is.

After I posted yesterday morning, I received a call from mom.. dad was having difficulty with his breathing again and was now having chest pains. I provided the Jannie Ambulance service and got him to the ER here. They stablized him and then helicoptered him to Joplin - bigger/better hospital with cardiologists and equipment to treat him. He's going in for testing today.. CAT scan and heart catherization. We're hoping that the maximum he'll receive is a stint. It was 10 hours before the cardiologist finally showed up to talk to him, mom and myself. =\
We were kept "entertained" by the hillbilly ho'down in the waiting room... a family of back woods inbreds. Geesh almighty.. they were having a cotton'pickin' family reunion there! There was one female who was angry with the nurse and constantly threatened to smash the nurse's face in, the women folk were dressed with short shorts and skimpy halter tops (none of them were thin) *gags* and fatboy slammed the phone down after he answered it and making some wiseass cracks in which they all hee-hawed at him. Ummmm.. the phone call was from my sister in California. O.o
After a picnic supper of Long John Silver's they all began catching up on the family going-on's - complete with knee slappin' laughter and howling. yeah buddy.. it was a fun time in the waiting room. The nurse attempted to shush them up, but they snarled at her after she left. My family ended up either leaving the waiting room area or staying in my dad's room. I imagine the Hee-Haw bunch will be there again today... yeeehaw!

Aaron> *chuckles* yeah, I was thinking the same thing about my family and Gathering dates! geesh! *L* This is becoming ridiculous, huh? This is why I refuse to go to the doctor until AFTER the Gathering ;)
Jannie
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 09:57:23 AM
IP: modem19-183.mo-net.com

****Huggs Lain****
Good luck, most of my advice has already been said.

Now, on to other matters...
***********Glower's At the Room In General***************
How. Dare. You.

I understand that most of you think Kit is a figment of Doug's imagination, and I really don't know. But who cares? What does it matter? Does it offend you that I don't use my real name? It shouldn't, since many of you do the same thing.

What is the point of "exposing" Doug? What purpose does it serve?

This is a public forum for people interested in Gargoyles, not a government facility. It doesn't matter if some posts are done as Doug and some as Kit, if they are indeed the same person (again, I don't know, I don't care.)

If I were to start posting sometimes as "Azrael" and sometimes as "Baughb" what differnce should it make to you?

Now, I'm not going to Defend anyone, but doesn't it seem at least a little fivolous to you to spend all that time to "research" the issue for something that, in the grand scheme of things, really doesn't matter?

Come on, people, this is a sad statement about the kind of free time you have on your hands.
Azrael
Arlington, Disappointment
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 07:54:03 AM
IP: 63.170.182.2

***********WE INTERRUPT THIS SQUABBLE FOR AN IMPORTANT REMINDER***********
okay um.. now that THATS over (for now) can we get back to showing some sympathy to lain? can she HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE?!?!?! she wants to complain and whine dramatically and get a whole pile of sympathy, and if you wouldnt mind obliging just for a little while, im sure she would be appreciative..
*************END INTERRUPTION OF SQUABBLE FOR IMPORTANT REMINDER***************

; )
lain "ME ME OH OH PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! ; ) " iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 03:29:11 AM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

*Cat emerges from the darkness after a long silence* Liam the Archwolf brought to my attention that life here was a mess. I thought I'd come check it out. It seems he's right.

You probably don't care about what I have to say because you don't really know me, I show up randomly every few months or so. But that's ok because my commentary is being posted anyway because one, i'm a self-righteous moron who likes to type at odd hours of the morning, two, i'm nervous about getting married to David/Mecord this Saturday (WAHA!!!) and can't sleep, and three, well, i dont really have a third reason that can be formed into coherent thought so never mind.

Lain - how old are you? are you over 18 and if so, are you dependent on your dad for any reason (financial for example?). for what reason is he making himself an ass? if you are a legal adult, there are probably legal actions you can take to keep your father away from you and your things. hang in there, life goes on. i know, i'm finally getting away from my 'rents. they're generally unhealthy for me.

Kit/Doug Mania - *chews lip* my experience, however limited, with people who ran in gangs or carried numerous ugly scars for ugly reasons, is that they tend to be reticent about the whole ordeal. as for inconsistencies in character or coincidences in timing, sometimes those are really just coincidences. for example, on my message board pub58.ezboard.com/bliteraryexploits, everybody and their dog has been trying to figure out who fireinthefurnace is, because the rest of us know each other. thus, everyone started pointing fingers as to who was posting under that name as a second pseudonym. it turned out that my friend posted at the same times she did, never when she had class, etc... we were all sure it was her, but it turns out it wasn't. now they all think it's me. it's not. so, just keep an open mind, eh?

You Know Who - well gee, that was mature, wasn't it?

anyway, David/Mecord and Jessica(me)/Cat are getting married this saturday, we DO exist, you can see us at our website at www.allmormon.com/wedding and we'll be at the Gathering in Los Angeles. no making newly wed jokes while we're there, ok?

Peace out.
Cat - [catherine_valentine@usa.net]
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 03:01:05 AM
IP: pppa75-resaledenverb1-2r7014.dialinx.net

Third and final post of the night.

Josh><<The Viet Cong are not nearly as overweight and stupid as the American populace>> So I'm overweight and stupid, eh? ; ) ...And don't diss hunters. A Military/militia guerrilla conflict would be fought mainly with rifles by both sides. Esentially, it would be a sniper's war, and the hunters would have a severe advantage in terms of skill and weapons. Besides, hunters are outdoorsmen. most of them are in better shape then either of us.

Yooper><<I didn't forget about them, they just weren't relevent to the discussion at hand.>> I wouldn't be so sure... They couldn't use quite the same tactics in a city environment, but I think they'd adapt quickly enough. Especially the hostage-rescue elements that are trained to opperate in urban areas.
In vietnam, they had a SERIOUS impact on the VC, and they'd probably have the same effect on americans. <<They got squished during the Tet offensive, but that fiasco destroyed morale and helped to finish off support for the war at home.>> To my understanding, we effectively destroyed both the VC AND the NVA during Tet, and if we'd kept the heat up, we could have turned the tide. Any ideas on that? <<They won because they were more dedicated, and because it's probably next to impossible to eliminate all insurgents.>> The "more dedicated" part I'll agree with, but I disagree that it's impossible to defeat an insurgent organization. You simply have to play by their rules...

Pisstoff><<I do, however, carry a knife that I bought on Ebay for $1.99. Flip-open lockback knife with a nice half-serrated blade.>> Okay, I'm sorry, but I gotta complain. $1.99!? How can that be ANYTHING but a punk knife? Dude, I gotta get you a GOOD knife... what're the laws like there? I'm lookin' to dispose of a few of my pieces, and they need good homes...

SJ><<Dear God, it feels odd to say that.>> Not nearly so weird as to HEAR it, I'd wager... o.O

FS><<Are you ABSOULTELY sure?>> Yeah. And while you're at it, a basic question about applied physics. Does a rocket's initial velocity affect it's acceleration? And would a greater percentage of it's speed be lost by accelerating and then kicking in the moor, or by kicking in the motor, and then accelerating the payload off THAT?

Dreamie><<Those darn "friends" and their vodka donuts.... Ever see a pastry sprout legs and do the Charleston?>> If I did, I'm fairly sure I'd be groping for the nearest wepaon... o.O <<Lightning bolts WHA? Where?!>> Here. Or, rather, he WAS here. my good friend Jeff, aka Jeffe, aka Juan Pepe Jose Luis Roberto Antonio Domingo Sancho De La Garza, the 3rd, Senior. He's quite a character. And, I might add, still single. ; ) <<Can't sleep.. clown'll eat me.... can't sleep... clown'll eat me..... :::Tries to hold back a laugh:::>> Care to explain? <<Hey Val... want to have a Peep War with pyrotechnics?>> How exactly does that work? o.O

Gside><<It's rather hard to carry on a conversation about two discrete objects without general differentiating pronouns.>> Obfuscation wuill get you nowhere.

Gah! I was hoping to catch up tonight, too! ; P And not even any time to deal with the Moochie crisis... Oh well, off to bed...


Gunjack "Gunsuit Slinger" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 02:20:51 AM
IP: ac8ff9d4.ipt.aol.com

<There is a slight shimmering in the air amidst all the yelling and anger. For a moment two spectral hands, one male and human, the other female and gargoylish with a retractable claw, appear floating in the air. Both raise their middle finger and wave it around. Then both vanish and the shimmer fades away>
You Know Who
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 02:15:41 AM
IP: 1cust115.tnt33.hou3.da.uu.net

Haven't posted with the Asrial pic in a long time. :)

Concerning the Doug/Kit discussion:
I'm surprised this topic actually came blatantly out in the open in the CR! I won't share my thoughts or make accusations or theories or defenses at this time (if you want to know my opinions then email me) because I respect the feelings of those involved (that includes those who are reading this discussion). I'll admit I have mixed feelings concerning this whole thing, and that I feel sorry for how this might be affecting CR dwellers and Doug/Kit. While I know this may never be resolved I can still hope.

One thing to mention though... What if Doug/Kit happen to be too busy to comment on this discussion, or even read/view it, and thus never resolve it? Enough said for now.

Lain: Don't know what to say, besides: Please take some of the advice mentioned in here. *hugs*

Admins: I just had to say this... I commend all of you on how well you have been doing your jobs in here lately. Keep up the fantastic work! :)

Had some other things to say but can't remember them at this moment. *L*
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Gathering Motor City 2004 Bid
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 01:00:09 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

I am happy! My car is fixed AND it cost me less than they quoted me! (It appears I didn't need trans mounts, only a motor mount)

Daniel Johnson: <Be careful of concrete though; it's rather brittle>
I have been doing some basic research on that... I plan on using a metal support structure and encase it in a steel drum.
Plus, you can add additives that makes concrete stronger.

Defending Doug and Kit: I CANNOT believe I am doing this! I mean, I have waited for YEARS to hear other people say what I believed, but...
At G98, Doug showed me a picture of Kit.
As for her biker days... heck, we all embelish our stories a little!
I say I am an Alien. But does anyone in here really think I am a Xenomorph? Nope.
ASSUMING she IS real, maybe her biker persona makes her feel more free. Maybe she is shy and dosn't really want to meet people. Maybe she is SO different than her on-line persona that she is truly afraid to let people see the real her.
Or... maybe there really WAS a Kit in the beginning, but she and Doug split up and she didn't want to stay on-line, so Doug kept up the persona.
Truly, how can we really prove that ANY of us really exist? Pictures? Scan them from the paper, click photos of strangers, ETC. People saying they know someone? Get friends to say they met X.
Who knows... there is always the possability that Doug has multiple personalities!

NOTE: I have NO frigging idea WHY I feel like I must DEFEND Doug!

Dreamie: <I only half agree with you>
Hmm... so women only think about half-sex or they just thing about sex half of the time? :)

Gside: <But what are you going to do to keep the berings oiled and the vacuum maintained?>
Well, I planed on keeping the flywheel drum inside another metal container and use a vacuum pump to keep air out when there is outside power. As for the berings, I was either thinking of a oil pump or grease.
<Alchemy is a program that creates 3D models of molecules with various display features (ball and stick, depth cueing...). It can even correct bond angles>
L33T! Is it freeware? (I doubt it)
<And There are other C60s that aren't buckys. Imagine a giant doubly bonded ring.>
And don't forget that C30, C40, C50, C70, ETC can also be spheres.

Warpmind: <Dat's right; only women think about sex. Men go beyond the boundaries of the verb "think about">
Maybe he only mentioned that women think about sex because with men it is just a given!

Disney: Interesting news: Disney park employees can now clean their own underware!

Imzadi: <Fine, so you need to pump in .1 KW/hr. How much does a kw-hr cost YOU?>
8.6 cents per. But I was planning on using these flywheels to save power made from wind and solar. I am dreaming about my dream house.
<I don't think I'll ever forget.>
Too many do. Especially when they have kids.
<Unfortunately, acts of god require WAY too much energy to make this thing efficient>
I think this is highly probable. If not, I will find out through experimentation!
<IT SUCKS.>
They cut out the backlight to save money and battery life.

Daniel Johnson: <I don't think that the CDC is applicable in Canada>
Remember that Ebola scare earlier this year in Canada?? The CDC was there.

Moochie: <Please!>
Too much math makes many peoples heads hurt!
And besides... it already came close enough to crashing the Megatokyo chat board twice!
<That mental image has scarred me for life. I'm sueing.>
Are you threatning me? Shall I make the image WORSE?
<That's what they ALL say. But gimme a platoon of Gunsuits...>
Ripley never was able to kill the queen. Ripley just spaced her. And if you remember from the first one, we are able to survive in a vacuum.

DPH: <Wait a minute, some people call blacks 'coons'?>
I am not sure where that slang comes from, but I know it has been around for at LEAST 50 years.

SJ: <Snootchie mootchies!>
When DOES the new SIlent Bob and Jay movie come out anyway?
<But to create an entire being, an imaginary friend if you will, and create an entire fictional existence for that person, that's goddamn bizarre>
Don't forget Wilek and Mariam Baxter. Or Green Baron and the good Rev. Attila.

Peter: <This was done so that you can play for longer than 2 hours on less than 6 batteries (15 hours on 2 batteries>
I just re-wire things to accept my Sony camcorder batteries.

Lain: More advice: Drain your accounts, cancel them first, take everything out of your apartment/dorm room/whatever. And make a copy of all the keys. Just on principle, if nothing else.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:00:37 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

I so don't have time for this. I've got to get up at 5 tommorrow for an appointment and Jesus, I need the sleep, but I can't help it.

Look, this ain't "bashing" Doug. Well, not on Aaron's part. Or Robby's.

I don't think some of the newer people in here understand the depth of the lie. I mean, it looks as if a good deal of us have known about it for quite some time, and just played along with it. But this whole thing is just really disturbing to me. I mean, this is really freaky to me. You can have an alter ego in here....many of us do. We aren't really gargoyles, or mutants, or transformers, etc. We adopt personas in here for fun. But to create an entire being, an imaginary friend if you will, and create an entire fictional existence for that person, that's goddamn bizarre. To create a fictional character, and then write volumes of fictional accounts of your life with this person, that's just....this is a low blow--to me that borders on mental illness. I ain't saying Doug's crazy, I'm just saying that I think anyone who creates a fantasy and then LIVES IT to the extent that Doug has has some really bad reality / fantasy issues. The amount of effort put into everything? It's a little beyond the point of "just a fun little thing I do on the internet". At one point, I was gonna give him credit for perpetrating one of the best practical jokes ever in the CR ("Guess what? She's not real!"), but I can't really do that since I don't think he's joking. At all. I don't know, maybe these people are real to him.

If you want, you can yell at me instead of Aaron and the others because I really have a problem with all this. I mean, my scorecard reads as follows:

* I don't believe there's a Kit. I doubt there ever was. If he really knew her, it might have been years ago. I think everything about Kit is fictional, especially her history (bikers? I'm still scratching my head over that one.)
* I don't really even believe that these "Black Ravens" characters exist either. They're probably just composites of people Doug maybe knew, but they aren't "as advertised" i n his posts.
* I don't believe virtually anything he's said about his life. I doubt he has a new car, the house thing I suspect, I'm iffy on the Walmart security job, but I sure as hell don't believe the whole Gus scenario. For those taking notes, it was the Gus story, or as I like to call it, "The Gus Saga", that finally drove me over the edge from "This is funny BS" to "This is getting really disturbing".
* I even suspect that "Doug Elder" isn't even his real name. I haven't met him, some of you have, I don't know if you've seen a driver's license or not. For all I know, his real could be Miller.
* I could actually go into severe detail over specific instances of discrepancies and inconsistencies and irregularities I've found. But then I'd be admitting just how much I've actually tried to psychoanalyze Doug's psyche, and that would probably disturb you just as much as the lies.

So there you go. But I'm a horrible person to ask for an opinion on this, cause essentially I know that some, those would probably defend Doug, will see this as me just getting in a cheap shot seeing as Doug and I haven't seen eye to eye for the past few weeks. I'm particularly looking forward to the CrzyDemona post telling me that I've killed the CR because I'm tearing down Doug for my own amusement. I say, whatever. Blow me off if you will.

Gunjack and Lain: I totally understand where you're coming from. I would probably agree on some level. But hey, if people are fed up with the lies, and he won't stop when asked to out of the room, maybe this is the last resort. Let's hope it is.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:56:34 PM
IP: 66-44-59-79.s333.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Shinigami - I didn't mean to imply that seniority equals respect. I meant that Doug is/was a good friend to most of the CR once upon a time, and so things might be handled with a little more decorum. For old time's sake, and for the sake of the newcomers.
In any case, I understand what you're saying. I can't say that I agree, but I do see your point.

JEB - There's a difference between exposing the truth, and being vindictive about it. I see no problem with the former, and I've alredy said my peace on the latter; so now I'm gonna go sit next to Lain, and cover her eyes during the gory parts.
Gunjack "Devil's Advocate Extrodinaire" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:37:47 PM
IP: ac8ff9d4.ipt.aol.com

Moochie> <<Your confusing thesis intruiges me>>: Thank you. The thing is that the rate at which heat flows between two objects depend on (the fourth power, I believe) of the temperature difference between the two. Therefore, if you want to get one body down to 98.6F, you do not want to keep it in contact with another body at (or slightly below, due to forced cooling) 98.6. It's better to apply the cooling method directly to the first body.
<<Haven't seen Big Trouble in Little China, have ye?>>: Yes, I have, but it's been a while. I still want to know that that symbol was that formed when lightining boy died.
<<This sounds FUN. Explain?>>: Sure. The collapsible scythe I referenced is from Chrono Trigger as the iotuibak cgaracter's weapon. the sleeve scythes are completely separate, and are used by Mousse (A.K.A. the man), of which I have an idea of how they should be built.
<<If the gunman has to watch multiple targets, just wait until his attention isn't on you directly, and draw>>:Or make sure the other guys' guns are empty.

Lain> Good luck with your father.
<<gunjack wanted to know if he could watch me sit on the floor, surrounded by computer wires and bits, wearing nothing but a slip>>: Mmm...

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:26:06 PM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

I feel I should point out that I, at least, am not doing this because I enjoy seeing suffering. In fact, it wasn't even my idea to reveal it now, but that's not the point. Now that this IS public knowledge, I felt I needed to lend my support. I am certain this is the case with a few of the others as well. After all, as I said, I helped assemble some of that proof, and I participated in the attempt to convince Doug to quietly end the lie, with far more dignity than this revelation will afford him.

So, people, do not assume we all support this for cruelty. This is simply not the case.
JEB
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:20:30 PM
IP: ac81d2c7.ipt.aol.com

Gunjack: Respect or no respect, I gotta raise my hand!

And heck, if she ISN'T real (or at least Doug's real girlfriend at this time... Never mind), he did a GREAT job keeping her name and persona alive for all these years!
Not only that, she evolved character wise.
Hmm... IF these accusations are true, that was probally the BEST darn RP ever!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:15:10 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Gunjack: Respect or no respect, I gotta raise my hand!

And heck, if she ISN'T real (or at least Doug's real girlfriend at this time... Never mind), he did a GREAT job keeping her name and persona alive for all these years!
Not only that, she evolved character wise.
Hmm... IF these accusations are true, that was probally the BEST darn RP ever!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:15:09 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Gunjack:: Why? Why try to "respectfully" tear away the curtain of untruths being imparted simply because of some half-formed idea of seniority within the room?

I refuse to handle this situation with delicate tact- that's the Admin's job, one which they've endevored to do to the best of their abilities- how many people here must be with wounded pride at the thought of having been tricked by one considered FRIEND here.

No. And if "Kit" and "Miller", and god knows who else, are real, I won't apologize for my statements either. This is stupid that things have come down to this point. "Kit" is making us doubt her own existence, and should she be a figment created here for god knows why, I won't stand for it.

Also, this fandom is not one based on some odd cast system. There are people within it that I respect highly for what they've given us. Those laboring to bring us the Gathering to beat all hell out, they I respect. Writers who, perhaps have different viewpoints on what Gargoyles should be and who fight passionately about it, I respect. Artists... the ones who do the research necessary.. beta-readers..

This is not a caste system. There are some "newbies" here who have made great strides in short months.

I was a "newbie" too, once.

So dont act as though we owe anything to anyone who has been deceitful. I dont need a song and dance, I dont want tears, nor pleas for my pity.

I am a cold woman, I give no mercy to those I feel have wronged our room and our fandom.

That is all, I thank those who read these words with the deisre to understand them profusely.
Shinigami
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:14:36 PM
IP: aca0ff9d.ipt.aol.com

woah now.. so its switched from cheering that mcveigh was dead to taking shots at doug and kit who may (or may not) exist. personally, i think ill stay in the "i dont know what the heck is going on" camp. its safer there. and besides that, im way too tired and selfishly preoccupied with my own life at the moment to do much other than say, again:

please stop with the taking pleasure from tearing down/laughing at other people. i just find the whole thing rather sad.

twice in one day is a little much.. : (

thanks
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:09:55 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Robby - That puts rather a different spin on things.

But still, this is rather distasteful. Doug is one of the older (oldest?) posters in the CR. Until recently, he was a respected member of the community, ne'?Whether or not the accusations are true, and whether or not he has been lying, a little more respect couldn't hurt. This whole situation is, quite frankly, embarressing as heck, and the whole had-raising and squeals of glee only make it more so.

"Let us carve him as a dish for the Gods, not hew him as a carcass fit for hounds..."
-Brutus, "Julius Ceaser"
Gunjack "Gunboat" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:57:05 PM
IP: ac8ff9d4.ipt.aol.com

*raises hand, grinning wildy* Oh Oh, I want in, Kit's fake! Faker'n a silicone breast implant!

*runs over to Aaron, giving him a playful squeeze with her free hand* And you rule, a lovelier bust couldn't have been made. Oh boy, am I malicious for saying so. *kiss*

Doug, the truth shall set you free. And in hell, there are thousands of little trinket shops.. that all have the same little trinkets! Ouh!





Shinigami - [Mara's one mean motherf...]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:46:03 PM
IP: aca0ff9d.ipt.aol.com

I also knew about this evidence for a while. I myself was hoping it would not come to this, but after all the recent flame war, I feel I must throw my support in.

::Raises his hand::
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:33:23 PM
IP: dialin-837-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hello all. I helped dig up some of the evidence, so I feel I too should put my name out in the open. *raises his hand*
JEB
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:27:18 PM
IP: acadc8c2.ipt.aol.com

Gunjack- We have TRIED more tactful ways actually. I tried to be subtle about it and not openly accuse Doug when I adressed "Miller". We contacted Doug via e-mail about 2 months ago on the matter, to try and have him quietly end the lie. He didn't, so we let it sit, not wanting to disillusion anyone or make Doug's life miserable. did lots and lots of research to be sure before confronting him about the matter. ANd then he compounded the lie, made it worse than before, started a flamewar. Check the CR for the last several weeks, you'll note, we were trying to be nice and tactful about the matter. For people like Lain, Josh, and you, who seemed to have no clue on the lie, we didn't want ya'll to get hurt in all this. But things happened as they happened. I won't go into the IM conversation or the e-mails I've recieved from Doug in the time since confronting him about this originally, unless I have to, I'd rather not waste ya'lls time. The lie is exposed, and I can stop wasting my time dealing with all this.

I'd appologize for hurting Lisa/Kit's feelings about this whole mess, but I fully believe she does not exist. So do quite a few other people in the CR, but I won't name them, it's their choice to say so if they want. But I'm raising my hand too.
Robby
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:21:42 PM
IP: ac8e916f.ipt.aol.com

Aaron: My hand can't be raised any higher. Hell, at this point you could use my arm as a flagpole.

Does everyone understand my joke now about my imaginary girlfriend who lives in Niagra Falls, Ontario, Canada? Inside humor, folks.

Lain: I know you're a pacifist, and that the recent death penalty talk has left you with a sore spot against killing, but hey---you maybe have the best excuse for patricide I've seen in a long time.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 09:40:35 PM
IP: 66-44-92-177.s558.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

oh wait! i forgot about the part where he is taking the spare car keys i have (which is fine cos.. im nowhere near either of his.. you know.. TWO cars..) and my house keys.

he is CONFISCATING THE KEYS TO MY HOUSE!!!!sorry i

neglected to mention that.. minor detail...

feel the love guys.. can you FEEL it? its makin me feel all warm and teddy-bear-cuddly and in the deep, dark, mostly numb pit of my stomach.. mmmmmmmmmmm...

lain
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 09:10:10 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Lain: Try this: Write out a recipt dated for a few weeks ago that says you sold the violin to someone else. Also, if the computer and the violin is in someone elses room, he can't take it. Actually... make sure your room is empty of EVERYTHING. Throw it in someone elses room STAT. If you can, put it in MULTIPLE peoples rooms.

Devious, yes, but it would work.

At least now you can get a clean start on bank accounts and the like. Be glad he did this now. It is his fault for giving you advance notice.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 09:02:12 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

hey guys, dont worry, i still have till thursday afternoon at around four oclock local time!!! : D : D

greg>> i wish..

he doesnt have keys, and he cant get in unless i let him - unless its when someone else opens the door.
i wish it were that simple see, hes gonna take the computer and printer - not the scanner mind you, cos he GAVE me that.. but i have no computer to attach it to - hes taking the computer and the printer. this is because the computer and printer dont belong to me and, apparently i learned today, they dont even belong to HIM so what the F**K is going on there is beyond me.
and the violin? yes, my mother gave that instrument to me when we sold my first one. dear old dad claims he "doesnt remember that at all" which is convenient cos, seeing as how my mother is, you know, dead, its my word against him and the receipt for the purchace of the violin is in his name, therefore it legally appears to belong to him. no court would ever rule differently. just because the violin is gonna sit around and go out of tune, he would apparently rather have that happen than have it be used and enjoyed..
and no more bank accounts for me. i have two, a personal one and a student line of credit. hes closing down the line of credit so i have to go to him and beg whenever i need tuition paying. crafty. im contemplating closing the other account (which doesnt have any money in it anyway) because i think he has some cosign thing on that aswell. and he isnt coming to see me and wont call me and if i want to see him again, im going to buy the bus ticket. (course, the only bus ticket im contemplating buying right now is the one to texas for christmas but.. thats beside the point..) ive been alternating between psychotic laughter and hysterical crying ever since.

so no, i hope youre not going to lose an admin here.. theres always the library and gunjack and his mother offered me this apparently rather rustic mac computer they have hanging around (COMPLETE WITH 14 SOMETHING MODEM!!!!!! : D ) so i mean all is not lost. i have a job.. okay, so i could do with some more hours but i could always get ANOTHER job.. and if i get a mac computer, i can stuff bill gates and microsoft AND thwart my father at the same time!!!!! what could be better than THAT?!
i gotta find out where to scrounge up computer bits so i can build/add to a computer myself. gunjack wanted to know if he could watch me sit on the floor, surrounded by computer wires and bits, wearing nothing but a slip but..

*********NON SEQUETER************
hey and did anyone else wonder about buffy drinking daracula's blood in last seasons primere and what that might mean for next season? hmmm...
*************END*****************
lain "the most ungrateful little B**ch ive ever known" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 08:52:13 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Imzadi><Gameboy Advance> I'm picking mine up tommorrow so I don't know what the screen quality is like yet, but I can tell you that it is not backlit. This was done so that you can play for longer than 2 hours on less than 6 batteries (15 hours on 2 batteries).
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Williams Lake, BC, Canada
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 08:49:25 PM
IP: ts4-33.williams-lake.wlake.com

THose Buffy rumors are false. Both Sarah and Michelle are signed on for the next season.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 08:39:33 PM
IP: dialin-837-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

I have recently learned that Buffy will be shown on FX starting at the beggining of the series in September, I believe the 24th, but I'm not sure. Also, I've heard that in season 6 the part of Sarah Michelle Gellar, Buffy, will now be played by Jennifer Love Huwitt (Sorry I don't know how to spell her name), and Michelle Trachtenberg, Dawn, will also be played by someone from Party of Five, but I don't know who.
Anonymous
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 08:38:17 PM
IP: tnt20a-161.focal-chi.corecomm.net

Another day of drudgery at the office.

Today, my little bro got his hands on one of the first copies of Game Boy Advance. Here's my review, as a professional geek: IT SUCKS. Game Gear was YEARS ahead of this. At least the Game Gear had a backlit screen. In fact, I think the screen this new color gameboy is WORSE than the screen on the old one! If the lights are on, I can't see the game!

Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong (maybe there's a switch for backlit and I'm missing it).

Daniel Johnson: <<programming joke>>: LOL. I love programming jokes. Got any more. <<the important thing was that you did all the "right" steps>>: They're right. That *IS* the important thing. Why? Because without them, you get a bad grade. Bad grades are, well, BAD. And grades matter. Therefore, the steps are important. So suck up your pride and just do what the teacher wants.

SJ: <<wondering why it's funny for Germany to be chastising us>>: Oh, come on. You didn't have to spell it out. I would have just left it there and if anyone was stupid enough to ask, just say "YOU MORON!". <<I wasn't just drooling over Kirsten Dunst>>: Did I tell you she was at my Rocky Horror Picture Show the other night? <<Snootchie mootchies!>>: "Who says that sh*t!?"

Death penalty: I love it. For a couple reasons. The first is "see gun debate". Basically, my safety rests on these people never getting out of prison. If they're dead, they can't escape. Yay. The second reason is, well, I'm greedy. Murderers do terrible things and get to spend the rest of their life not working and living off the taxpayers. FSCK THAT! I don't owe them a thing. I sure as hell don't want to pay for their food and cable TV. Execute the bastards, save the taxpayers millions a piece.

P.S. I'm a republican 8-)

Gside: <<They may always be lurking>>: I don't think its fair to the posters to decide the rules of this CR based on who MIGHT be reading. If they have an opinion, let them speak. Otherwise, I assume they DON"T have an opinion or they have one but it doesn't matter.

Moochie: <<Haven't seen Big Trouble in Little China>>: ROCKED! <<I think I'll pay Lyn to scratch>>: I thought she wasn't "THAT KIND OF LYNATI !@#$IT!". <<If the gunman has to watch multiple targets>>: Again, making wild assumptions. If its him and me, I"M THE TARGET. THE ONLY TARGET. <<I'll handle this "Moochie" business tomorrow>>: Whatever, moochie.

Niamhgold: <<is that all right>>: No, of course not! ::cracks whip:: hehe j/k. Yeah do whatever you want and take as much time as you need. I was just wondering where you were at.

Lain: <<am i the only one in here who is absolutely repulsed>>: Pretty much, yeah. Damn hippy. 8-)

Taleweaver: Good points on both sides.

DPH: <<some people call blacks 'coons'?>>: Yes.

Aaron: <<It’s yee-haw, dangnabbit>>: Quiet, you yahoo. <<Kit and Doug>>: Well, if you look in an LA OR a Berkeley phone book, you won't find me. So that's not proof. But the rest of your evidence is...interesting...to say the least.

I offer another suggestion of why Kit might not exist: I sent Doug my fic a while back, and he said that Kit read it. He said that he and kit thought my "girl talk" scene was so realistic that I must have had a female consultant (I didn't)...does anyone else find it remotely suspicious that a woman would suggest that the second-biggest chauvenist in the world writes women well? ;-)

WHAT!? Lain's dad is a bastard. I say we all drive/fly/bike/walk to Canada and beat the snot out of him! Fight back, Lain!

Greg B: <<dad advice>>: Dead on, dude.

What if the volume and pressure aren't constant? Well, then you're !@#$-ed.
-Angus McLelland, Physics 7b

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 08:27:10 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-183.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Lain> If you read this, don't let the man into your place. If he has keys, have the locks changed. I don't know if you can save everything, but the violin would probably be the most sentimental item, make sure it is not there to take.

I have a terrible relationship with my father also, and this is how I would handle something like this. Fight back. Don't let him walk all over you. You deserve far better than this.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 07:59:21 PM
IP: dialin-837-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hey, all... Got some bad news that Lain asked me to pass on for her. Apparently, her father decided to stop making threats and actually DO something. So, on thursday, he'll be dropping by her place to confiscate her computer, all the peripherals, and her violin (which happens to be a GIFT FROM HER MOTHER). He will also be closing down the bank account he set up for her. Apparently, this will help her to be something less of an "ungrateful little b****". Let's just reflect on THOSE fatherly words of encouragement for a moment, eh? Fortunately, this means I won't have to stop by his father's day party on saturday. Probably a good thing, since I'm not sure if I could keep from yaking on his shoes.
Yet more good news, eh? ; P

Aaron - If I might be so bold, what exactly are you hoping to accomplish? couldn't there have been a more tactful way to handle this?
Gunjack "Man of Sorrows" Valentine
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 07:55:25 PM
IP: ac8455b2.ipt.aol.com

Josh> It’s yee-haw, dangnabbit, not yahoo.

Gunjack> <<.>> Hmmm. So you look like a 14-year-old kid, you EAT like a 14-year-old kid... exactly how much proof of age do ye have, again?>> Somewhere in the flame shelter, Spacebabie is laughing her @$$ off. There is a reason I grew the goatee. <<Or is that ROBBY who looks like a munchkin?>> Dang anti-short-people prejudice... No, Robby is like 5'8" I’m the short one. But as a wise guy once said, “I’m still tall enough to kick you in the crotch.” ;) <<Marmalade Boy>> Basically, it’s a slice of life series about a high school boy and girl whose parents take a vacation to Hawaii, meet, and like each other so much that they all divorce their spouses and marry the other’s. Our leads now find themselves step-siblings, which sort of complicates their obvious romantic interest in each other.

Warpy> <<bald as an average egg, and with a few nasty cuts on the back of his head>> Have you ever considered going to the Gathering as Spider Jerusalem?

Aris> Your timing is impeccable... ;)

Jannie> No matter who points it out, the fact remains that the CR *is* supposed to be PG-13 and below. It’s right there in the rules, Rule #3. And I hope your dad’s okay. What is it about your family and June, huh?

“Kit”> Actually, that was me asking about the compulsive liars bit. Perhaps telling Robby and I apart is simply too hard on top of everything else... I also don’t remember “Miller” calling you a compulsive liar, just Doug. <<not going into detail about that. Do I really need to, especially to someone who doesn't believe I exist?>> Well, it might be interesting, anyway...

Which leads me to something else. I’m going to say something that may offend a lot of people. And if I’m wrong, I’ll resign my post as Co-Admin, apologize profusely, and accept whatever judgement the room sees fit to provide.

Doug, just admit it. I have no doubt in my mind that “Kit” “Lisa Telman” or anything else you might call her, does not exist. And I don’t think I’m the only one. I’d like a show of hands, so to speak, yea or nay. But before you vote, consider the following:

Injuries: Well, my healing factor takes care of most of the ones I get, so I have few scars. Except for a couple spots on my neck where a vampire bit me (kidding!!). IRL, I have mole removal scars on my back just like Doug, one small scar on my chin from where a gang thug with a baseball bat hit me while I was beating him up, several marks on my left lower back, upper thigh, and rear (from an aforementioned skiing accident and the subsequent operation); and also another scar on my forehead reopened in the same accident, from the time when I rode my bike way too speedily and ended up hitting a big bunch of rocks. Ouch. Then one on my belly (appendix removal) and a long one on my left forearm where I got cut with a switchblade in the same fight where I got the baseball bat one. That's all my physical scars. Interestingly enough, I got them all before I was eighteen and have suffered none since then. Thank goodness. Maybe I'm now more experienced and less accident-prone.

Later all!
Lisa
Saturday, September 26, 1998 08:14:16 PM
IP: hd5-113.hil.compuserve.com

and...

As long as we're trading scar info here, let me go ahead and give mine. First, a bald spot on the back of my head (golf ball). Second, a really nasty one from where a dog knocked me down and I split my forehead open on the concrete. Third, on my right knee, a small one from the time I tried iceskating and slipped. I never tried it again. Then there's one on my left pointer finger from a knife fight I had with my sister at the dinner table when I was eight that our mother quickly put a stop to. I also have three scars on my right knuckles from where a cat scratched me up something good and a few on my back from minor mole removal surgery. Nothing more interesting than that, oh well.

Ho hum, I need to get back to my government paper now. See y'all.
Doug
Saturday, September 26, 1998 07:58:38 PM
IP: hd5-113.hil.compuserve.com

Compare with...

As for my scars, well, I have a few. <adopts Rene Russo LW3 pose> First, here on my right forearm is a scar from where I broke my arm falling off the jungle gym at age 4. The bone poked right through and hurt like hell for a long time even after the doctors set it back in. Second, on my left hand, I have three small scars near the knuckles thanks to a mean cat scratching my hand when I was 5. Next, behind my right ear, I have a small scar from where I got hit with a baseball at age 9. My hair usually hides that one. Next, on the bottom of my left foot, a scar from stepping on broken glass at age 12. That one really hurt. On my left temple, a bad scar from my first motorcycle accident at age 15. I also have scars from bike accidents on my right shoulder, my left hip, a few spots on my back, and my right thigh. Then on my waist, a pretty big scar from where the branch gored me skiing at age 16. I've told that story many times. My appendectomy scar is just above that one. My right breast has a scar on it a few inches above the nipple from a stab wound (I got mugged by a guy with a knife the summer before I came to UT, I knocked him out but he did get me once). Finally, there are a few scars on my back from getting moles removed, and one in my left side from the time I got shot by crazed criminal bikers attacking my house. I've told that story too. Thank goodness it was only a .38 graze. Dad got the worse hit in his knee- sabot shotgun round, it required him to get a new knee and walk with a cane for the rest of his life. No one else in the family got shot, thank goodness. :) Doug has a few scars too, but not as many. A few on his back from getting moles removed, one on his neck from a bad sprain, a cut on his upper lip from his first time shaving (I kid him about it often), a scar on his left knee from a fall while ice skating for the first and last time, three scars on his right knuckles (surprisingly similar to my left knuckle scars) from accidental knife cutting while cutting a tomato, also one on his left index finger from a similar incident. Then he has a scar on his chin from getting hit with a baseball bat there at age 8, a big mass of scar tissue on his forehead from getting knocked down on concrete at age 3, a mark on his right elbow from falling down stairs, a bald spot and scars on the back of the head thanks to a golfball hitting him there at age 14 (his worst). That's about it. We may have some inner body scars also, but we're not sure.

Notice how their scars seem to have multiplied, although some seem to have disappeared. Notice also how “Kit” no longer has a baseball bat-to-the-chin scar, while Doug now does, and how the knife-fight scar seems to have moved from “Kit”’s left forearm to her right breast.

But that’s hardly enough to deny “Kit”’s existence, so how ‘bout these?

-REAL Biker gangs say her story is BS
-Newspaper clippings don't back up stuff that’s report worthy, like the shooting at her parents house, or the death of Gus.
-Refuses to give proof of existence, just relies on "Her word should be good enough". Will not provide WAV samples, photographs, birth certificate, phone number, or any other number of things .
-Has no presence ANYWHERE online outside of CR related things.
-No telephone listings for Lisa Telman, or even L. Telman or Stephanie Telman in Austin.
-No UT Austin listings.
-Multiple posts from both at a location where only one should have been able to post.
-Confusion on who's who when posting on at least three occasions.
-Kit is ALWAYS out of town whenever anyone has a chance to meet her, despite not mentioning any plans to be away prior to someone saying they'll be coming by.
-Doug can make it to Gatherings, but Kit never can. (And “Kit” had such limited internet access that she couldn’t post the whole time Doug was away)
-Doug has a mild stutter, which is a deterrent for security positions. (Well okay, maybe at Walmart...)
-Both have been on IM at the SAME TIME, despite the fact they only have one computer.
-Doug’s old RP group from Austin have no idea who “Kit” is.
-No luck finding her on MSN/Hotmail People Finder. Still waiting for the results back from USSearch.com

All that, added to the completely fantastic details of “Kit”s life (Biker gangs, shoot-outs, skiing accidents, [Not that Doug’s is exactly free of the too-weird-to-be-true either]), the almost regular happening of some sympathy-grabbing thing like Gus or the Madi Gras riots, Doug and “Kit”’s circle of “friends”, all of whom have some amazing talent (Like the archer chick, who can shoot arrows out of the air), claiming to have gotten hit on by a drunken Matthew MacConaheigh (sp), the fact that somehow they didn’t manage to take *any* pictures of what must have been the best Team Rocket costumes ever, the violent reaction whenever the possibility that “Kit” wasn’t real was even jokingly mentioned, and a hundred other little inconsistencies, have lead me to this conclusion.

I can hear the response, probably from “Kit”, now. “What right have I to do this, when after all, you and Robby...”

The difference is the Robby and I *are* two people, who pretended to be one person for a week or two as an April Fool’s joke. Doug has pretended to be at least two people, maybe more (Da Movie Seer, Miller, Edward Toy) for something like four years, for what purpose I cannot even begin to imagine.

You talk of trust, and how necessary it is. But Doug, it is you who have violated the trust of everyone who ever posted here, and addressed a reply to “Kit”

So Doug... Ball’s in your court. Post away, about how I’m not your friend anymore, about how this betrayal has forced you and “Kit” to leave the CR for good, about how, as you have so many times before, there has to be trust on the internet. In short, do what you always do: Make a lot of indignant noise, but never offer one shred of evidence. I have presented mine.

I thank the rest of you for your time.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 07:01:21 PM
IP: 209.33.140.103

this probably will sound bad, but I agree with taleweaver..the only real way to stop people from committing harsh crimes, in my view, is to be harsh in return. Most of the people in jail have better luxuries than those out of it. Whould it not make sense that people who have been there would seek to return?
Anubis
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 05:46:33 PM
IP: camelot.sinclair.edu

Perhaps, but I was "forced' to read the entiriety of the gargoyles and timedancer episodes in two days...I was starting to wish I could go into stone sleep just so the addition would end!
Anubis
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 05:42:26 PM
IP: camelot.sinclair.edu

ANUBUS> And we love you for that ;)
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 05:40:41 PM
IP: dialin-837-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

The episodes are too additive >_< I can't stop reading :(
Anubis
Lebanon, oh, USA
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 05:39:18 PM
IP: camelot.sinclair.edu

Taleweaver> I wouldn't say it was dismal. Buffy and Angel were great this season.

But as to what I'd like to see next fall. Buffy and Angel, I'd like to see a revival of "Crusade", and see "Legend of the Rangers" become a series like JMS hopes.

Also, I'd like to see some good animated series. The early to mid 90s had great cartoons, and I'd like to see more of those.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 02:28:14 PM
IP: dialin-916-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Daniel Johnson - Believe it or not, I understand.

Wait a minute, some people call blacks 'coons'? Being from the South, I thought "coons" was shorthand for raccoons.

1+1=-3

I do believe in the possibility of a prisoner being reformed. They are many examples of people who have various religious experiences while in prison and change for the better.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 01:56:22 PM
IP: max1-66.cwy.cei.net

Cover your ears and hide your daughters,, it's your friendly neighborhood devil's advocate. I don't want to start a flame war, but I do want the debate on the death penalty. It is important. Arguing and more importantly listening reveals much about what we believe and why we believe in it. I think that's good. The death penalty I've had some experience in the arguments. You can't get through four years of speech & debate forensics with dealing with it. So far these are the best arguments I've heard.

Pro> Security. A society's duty is to protect itself. That always takes precedents over individual rights. We believe that public health is more important than a company to make profit or a safety takes precedents over personal liberties. If someone has demonstrated a threat to society that warrents death, well, the tribe has spoken. In many ways it's like hunting down a maneater. If a bear or wolf or mountain lion takes a human life, it is found a summarily destroyed. Not out of vengence but in order to provide safety to others.

The other pro argument is because the prison system doesn't work. For society, life in prisonment is the out of sight out of mind alternative. Drop them in a prison and forget them. Which leads to a lot of the problems in prisons today, but thats for another day's rant. That type of alternative isn't very responsible.

Con> The best argument against capital punishment is the woefully inadequate criminal justice system. In principle, capital punishment is something that is deeply deliberated. Presented in a court with equally capabale counsels and an intelligent impartial jury. But the reality is from the time the crime is committed upto and including when a criminal serves time in prison nothing is fair or equal. Depending on the lawyer a drug possession charge can get someone 25 years to life or rape-murder gets released on time served. Juries can be manipulated by a lawyer playing on a variety of emotions and never bring up a shred of proof. And some prisons are holiday hotels were you can get almost anything you want depending on if you can afford it. In that kind of system can such a grave decision be reached fairly and equitably?

As for my own opinions. I can be sadistic and vengeful if I put my mind to it. I wouldn't have killed McVeigh, because you can only kill a person once. And I can think of a few things more painful than death. Though my eye for irony notices that McVeigh did the most damage to his cause. After the bombing, most militia groups dropped off and some disappeared. There are still some around, but many are gone.

Some curious things I've noticed in the debate is that most people say that legislating morality is impossible. But the main argument against the death penalty (the consequence of breaking a law)are moral. I guess morality has no place in things that involve us personally, but certain should be applied to others. It is an old story.

I'll stop here. Don't need to chew off people's ears. But I'll leave with this interesting question. This season of sci-fi shows has been pretty dismal, though the movie summer seems pretty hot. What would you guys and dolls like to see in sci-fi shows come fall?
Taleweaver - [taleweaver@usa.net]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 01:46:34 PM
IP: cbl064.pool008.ch001-west-covina.dhcp.hs.earthlink.net

okay, am i the only one in here who is absolutely repulsed by a whole bunch of seemingly rational, mostly sane people that i know and love cheering wildly at the death of another human being? i dont care who he is or what hes done, i find it absolutely disgraceful and reprehensible that ANYONE would show such lust and enthusiasm for the killing of ANYONE.

in the words of j b dixon, "why is it that the politicians who always go out of their way to let everyone know that they follow the Teachings of the Son of GOD are the very same ones who always want to bring in a death penalty? is there a another Son of GOD that im not aware of? like.. one who was into killing people?"

well thats my piece for now.
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 01:44:44 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Dreamie > LOL, I wasn't even aware there had been an earthquake until Stephen contacted me to ask about it. So, nope, had no idea.

Warpmind > ah ... I love Igor ... when the Igor plushies come out, you know I'll be first in line!

Kit > I hope it doesn't disappoint ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:20:38 PM
IP: 09-041.075.popsite.net

** Niamhgold enters quickly **

Josh: I'm currently working on some canon characters, and maybe even a shameless plug character from one of my own fics...;) However, being a "tweaker", it might take me a week or two to finish...is that all right?

Thanks and bye!
Niamhgold
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:06:48 PM
IP: lac-flex107.ncia.net

Thank you for the well wishes with my dad. The strangest thing happened... he was in very bad shape by the time they got him to the hospital. His blood pressure had taken a dive, he was passing out, was in a lot of pain, and was gasping for air. There were times when the EMTs couldn't even get a pulse on him. At the hospital, the EKG showed possible blockage. The ER doctor even thought that a lung had collapsed, but X-Rays showed that his lungs were fine. He was touch and go all thru the night. By 8am, he was back to "normal". All tests showed within the normal range. *blinks* He will be seeing a cardiologist on Thursday. Dad had a quad bypass 5-6 years ago (yes, like father like daughter) O.o He went home yesterday evening. Very bizarre, indeed. We know that _something_ happened to him - just can't figure out what. I spent the night at their house last night and I noticed that he was having some difficulty in breathing (shortness of breath). hmmmm... I do know that an EKG won't show blockage, just any abnormal heart rhythms. I am going to insist on further cardiac testing for him.

SJ> you go! friend o'mine!! *L*
I shed no tears and no moment of silence for that spawn of satan, mcveigh. He was only human in the physical sense.
I had someone tell me yesterday that "the government murdered mcveigh" *rolls eyes* pllleaaasee give me strength, Lord! Murder is when you kill an innocent victim... execution is the consequence that you receive for your crime. Like you said, SJ... he was not capable of being rehabilitated nor would have making him sit in prison for the rest of his life been a punishment. He didn't feel as if he had done anything wrong. He had no remorse. I saw an interview last night from someone who had spoken to the beast and he said that his only regret was that he was not going to be considered the hero that he wanted to be, but would be remembered as a baby killer.. well, d'uh!

CR Rating: I haven't seen anything bad *shrugs* Because one person - who is obviously angry and lashing out & wants to criticize the admins - we all now have to "watch our mouths" ? I think that we are all mature enough to know how far the limits are. I don't need big brother or a censor looking over me. But, that's just my opinion ;)

Josh> <For some reason, I just don't think a southerner should refer to them as "coons".> *LOL* Yeah, I remember once when I was being told of a friend's new wife and it was said, "she's a coonass" I thought she was black. *L* I had never heard the term used before. Of course, it isn't a negative term at all... it's what a certain group of people from Louisiana are called. (no reference to skin color)

ohmy! only 9 more days until the Gathering?? *panic* I need to go shopping!! I don't have a thing to wear!

*scurries off to the mall*


Jannie
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:32:19 AM
IP: modem16-24.mo-net.com

SJ> I completely agree with you on McVeigh. I used to be against Capital Punishment until that bastard came along. I did suggest late last week that we execute him through vivisection and keep him alive during it.

Now let's execute Slobodon Milosevic!
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 09:27:00 AM
IP: dialin-1437-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hi ya'll.

Everybody who (like me) forgets this kind of thing, it's Father's Day this weekend. I'm sure my dad planed it that way since he just loves messing up my schedule and this weekend is really busy. Tomb Raider comes out. I have a Tribe 8 game. There's also a VLARP that I pretty much have to go to since the guy playing the Prince told me at A-Kon that he wanted to make my character the Seneshal, and I'm about 2000 miles late for my car's 9000 mile checkup. (I'm hoping to work that in on Thursday) Gonna be a long weekend once you add in a drive to Clyde, TX. Population: "dangit he was here just a minute ago."

Seriously, I really love my dad. He served his country with distinction and honor and taught me how to be a good man. My brothers and I bought him a cool rendering of his mother's family crest at Scarborough Faire. We're getting it framed and giving it to him for Father's Day.

Ok, enough sentiment, and it's time for me to start work. See ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 09:05:41 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Howdy Y'all.

I thought I was jonesin' for a hit of the CR- and then I read what I missed for the last few days.

Only two comments on that:
Lain> Glad to see you being the Voice of Reason, it's my job all too often in RL.
Admins in General> Good job acting (relatively) quickly heading that off at the proverbial pass.

That's really all I have for the moment, I'm just about to start my first shift after the schedule change. It's gonna be rough- 0230-1130hrs. Split days off. Man, I need a new job...

Later Y'all
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 03:23:14 AM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Not a whole lotta time available tonight, but let's see if we can't catch up on a few replies...

Gside><<And if you think about the law of heat transfer, it would be better just to let the water work on its own.>> Your confusing thesis intruiges me. <<Don't know, haven't seen it.>> Neither have I, but I want to. The way I see it, anything Jubei is good. <<Would that be an underaged female dragon of the opposite sex?>> Ah, no, I don't think so. Haven't seen Big Trouble in Little China, have ye? <<Why, yes, I did just start Bored of the Rings.>> Heard of it, but I know NOTHING about it. <<Shades of Janus. Collapsible schythes can be so fun. So can sleeve scythes.>> This sounds FUN. Explain?

Warpmind><<Trust me - shaving the back of your head is REALLY difficult when you can't even get the slightest visual contact with the area...>> Doesn't seem like it should be THAT hard... I shave without a mirror most of the time, and it works just fine... <<I know how to handle catgirls. They'll nary leave me a scratch...>> Just for that, I think I'll pay Lyn to scratch you up at thew gathering...

Spacebabie><<He has voiced Heero Yui, Zelgadis, Tamahome...and many others.>> In other words, he's voiced a buncha famous characters I've never seen... I feel like SUCH a loser... j/k : P

Imzadi><<Are you making that up or do you actually have some sort of statistic just to at least LOOK like you researched it?>> No stats, just tactical logic. If the gunman has to watch multiple targets, just wait until his attention isn't on you directly, and draw. If you know what you're about, it won't be much trouble to fill him full of hollowpoints before he can turn and fire. He has to react to you, rather than the other way around. As for researching, does gunsparring count? <<LOL amen gunjack!>> *takes a bow* Thank you, thank you! We sure schooled HER, eh?

Firestorm><<Ok. FINE. Shall I bring in a weapons discussion on the power requirements of near-future space weaponry?>> Please! <<Thats why I am in favor of hunting naked while armed only with a ping-pong paddle.>> That mental image has scarred me for life. I'm sueing. <<WE CANNOT BE BEATEN!>> That's what they ALL say. But gimme a platoon of Gunsuits...

Gah... that's all I have time for tonight. I'll handle this "Moochie" business tomorrow.
Gunjack "We Thought You Were A Toad!" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 02:20:22 AM
IP: ac8a5539.ipt.aol.com

A very brief moment of silence for Tim McVeigh, who though a bad guy, was still a human being. A much longer moment for each and every one of his victims.

Jannie: I too wish your father well. Hope he's doing better soon.

SJ: Um, thanks. I think. :)

That's all I have time for tonight.
Kit
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 01:13:32 AM
IP: 1cust109.tnt1.austin2.tx.da.uu.net

Jannie> Well wishes for your father.

Warpmind> <<the Grim Fandango scythe, just 'cause it's a FOLDABLE scythe>>: I believe the Magus's also folds. Didn't you play Chrono Trigger?

Imzadi> <<I don't think we have any kids that young in here!>>: They may always be lurking. And a while back, there was a youngun actually posting.

Daniel Johnson> <<Teachers hated it because they said it didn't matter if you got the right answer>>: Pritch, right?
<<I don't think that the CDC is applicable in Canada>>: From what I've heard, he's a native. That would be the CDC who is the creator of Life on Forbez.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, June 12, 2001 01:06:32 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Well, the news of today is all about Tim McVeigh, or as I like to call him, the late Timmay (TIM-MAY!!!!) McVeigh. Lots of talk about the death penalty. Should we have it. Is it justice. Lots of talk about Timmay's final moments. What he did, how he addressed the reporters, how he died. Frankly, WHO CARES! We killed his ass. We enjoyed doing it.

My only regret is that we had to give him a horribly mundane and unexciting ticket out of this world. Lethal injection? This was NOT the best execution I've ever seen. Why can't we ditch this foolish "humane treatment" rule when it comes to capital punishment? I say bring back the fun execution styles, and when I say fun, I mean fun for US, the executioners. Why can't we derive a little enjoyment out of the death of sons of bitches like Timmay? Please, people like him are black holes. All they do is absorb, they take, they give us nothing in return. So, I say, let them give us something of value in return for their utterly destructive lives---a fun death! You never see one anymore. They've pretty much done away with hanging, an old favorite. You rarely ever see the electric chair used anymore. If it was up to me, I would have taken Timmay and stuck him in the chair, and….well, I would NOT wet the sponge, if all of you who've seen "The Green Mile" understand what I mean. Frankly, I miss the Old Testament style of execution. You hardly ever see that outside of the Middle East. You can't beat the OT for execution. I mean, if I'm not mistaken, the Israelites would just take you out back and stone you, and if you were really naughty, they'd burn your corpse to ash afterwards. What, that's too horrible for McVeigh? Hey, screw that. He killed 149 people and 19 kids just cause he was pissed at the government. He was an animal that deserved to be put down in the most excrutiatingly painful way possible. Thumbs down to us, the American people, for not making the bastard suffer a little more.

Many people say that rehabilitation is better. I'm a cynic, but I don't think that rehabilitation really works that well in the U.S. But that's the big issue. The bottom line in the case of Timmay here is that he would never have been rehabilitated. Because he had no remorse. You can't rehabilitate someone who doesn't believe that what they did was wrong. He killed over 150 people, and you know what? If he would have walked away instead of getting executed, he would have done it all again. You can't rehabilitate an animal.

There was one really funny thing about this whole spectacle today. Of course, as soon as something like this happens, all of the other countries practically cream in their pants at the opportunity to show how "uncivilized" we are compared to them (Aris! You posted the other day, come on back!). People from 3 different European countries were interviewed on one of those morning shows (they all blur together for me), and they were condemning us for our inhumane practice of capital punishment. England was one of them, our dear retarded mother country. France was the second, which is a little disheartening, seeing as the French did give us one of the most entertaining (and efficient!) execution devices in the long, bloody history of mankind, the guillotine (but then again, when have you ever not known the French to go and disappoint you?). The third country, though, had me rolling. GERMANY! Germany, of all countries, had the testicular fortitude to condemn us for our inhumane practice! Give me a loincloth and call me Conan, cause I must be a barbarian. But that's just too damn funny! Germany was railing on us!

And for those of you who may be scratching your head and wondering why it's funny for Germany to be chastising us, it's because when it comes to humane practices (especially with the subject of capital punishment), Germany has several good reasons to keep it's big mouth closed. I'd say about 6 million of them.

Spacebabie: Oh, I wasn't just drooling over Kirsten Dunst. There were all the other beautiful young women. Among the top of the list being Zhang Ziyi, and Shannon Elizabeth for having the good fashion sense to prominently display her headlights.
And maybe I'm just crazy, but I actually thought Jimmy Fallon was pretty good. And the opening movie sequence of the Mummy Returns starring Jimmy, Kirsten, Rob Schneider and Snoop Dogg was so damn good I wish THAT had been the real movie. ;)

Gunjack: It's been quite some time since I've dusted off my "English to Lain-speak, Lain-speak to English" dictionary, but I'm pretty sure that "moochie" is a term of endearment. A rather obscene term, mind you, but one of endearment none the less. Snootchie mootchies!

Kit: You do a great moonwalk. I've never seen someone backpedal so fast before. Jacko, eat your everlovin' heart out.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@excite.com]
Monday, June 11, 2001 11:18:07 PM
IP: 66-44-92-233.s614.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Imzadi:
No Smart Tags here either. I've even dumped IE completely and use OmniWeb full time now, or occasionally Fizzilla. Windows XP looks dumber all the time.

How many Perl programmers does it take to screw in a light bulb? Millions. One to screw it in, and the rest to try to do it in fewer lines of code. Programmer humor. A sad thing, no?

Ok, it's official. From now on Gunjack=Moochie. And it's all his fault.
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Aaron:
Does this mean that from now on we get to say "oh my Aaron!" (abbreviated OMA)? Or is Mara the only one who can say that? And I'm in the state of New Jersey, which is hardly graceful.
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Caliope:
HI! Hope you're having fun.
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Jannie:
Thanks for the pictures. I'm no fan of capital punishment, but I shed no tears for that monster. Some people do deserve to die.

I hope your dad is OK.
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Warpmind:
You know, I had a tendency to do the same thing with math. Teachers hated it because they said it didn't matter if you got the right answer; the important thing was that you did all the "right" steps. Blech. So I'd figure out the answer and then fill in the intermediate steps to keep the teacher happy. :P I was, and still am, lousy with basic adding and multiplication, however. I still count on my fingers when I add. But, with a calculator in my hand I'm dangerous. :)
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Niamhgold:
<<changing subjects fluidly>> Yeah, sometimes. My thought processes can get pretty convoluted. I'm sure everyone finds that hard to believe.
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Moochie:
I don't think that the CDC is applicable in Canada.

Besides, it's all your fault.
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Enough for now.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Monday, June 11, 2001 09:42:56 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-121-157.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Today the family met with the catering director for my brother's Bar Mitzvah, which is at Universal (where Gathering is) the week before!

God I'm gonna be busy during the Gathering weekend. In addition to Gathering, I've got a Rocky Convention to go to an also the KROQ Weenie Roast (I hope), which is the most bad-ass concert of the summer. I anticipate being home for all of 8 hours the entire weekend. 8-)

I'm buying my brother an iMac with the money I was gonna spend on an external monitor for my new laptop.

CR Rating: what is the proper format for cussing, and what words are allowed? Can I say "@$$"? How about "!@#$"? "sh!t"? Also, does it need to be PG-PG13? I don't think we have any kids that young in here! Is anyone in here younger than 15?

FS: <<.75TB hard drive>>: I'm not holding my breath. <<you wouldn't be interested>>: Bring it on. <<it only loses about 100watts or less of power per hour>>: Fine, so you need to pump in .1 KW/hr. How much does a kw-hr cost YOU? <<forgot what it was like to be a hormone crazed male teen>>: I don't think I'll ever forget. <<cramed damn near the entire physics book on a 3x5 card>>: Just ONE physics book?! Wusses. <<heavy and slow is cheap>>: not to mention ineffectual.

Daniel Jonson: <<microsoft tactics>>: Thankfully, us mac users can boycot the !@#$-ers. There be no smart tags in MY machine! I like how microsoft is building in MP3 crippling software into Windoze XP, so they can "help the public know where they're crossing the line." Gee, thanks for the morality lesson. Excuse me...are YOU my mother!? <<how many perl programmers>>: I give up. How many?

Kit: Whoa! You're alive too! This is a great week! Pistoff, FS, and now you!? JOY!

Dreamie: <<squirting a large gob of whip cream in my mouth they'll know why?>>: I should make some really obscene joke about your oral fixation, but I won't. Or maybe I already did? <<Actually...... no>>: That explains much. <<animated gif>>: LOL. <<entirely based on photo reference?>>: Upon what else would I base it on? <<fighting stance>>: Hmmm...I better not say anymore on this subject. Last thing I need is Dreamie kicking my scrawny butt for being a perverted teenager. <<Milli Vanilli Chilli Willy>>: Alpha Velveeta Knuckle Underwear. So there. <<I only half agree with you>>: Well, we know that women don't think, so... ;-) <<what did I win?>>: I think he was talking to the straight males in the room. <<I'm wondering how slow is slower than never>>: Spoken like a true jewish girl. <<Flattery will only gain more>>: Even if he's basically promising to be turned on by it!? <<Passionate people breed passionate debates>>: Or, more simply put than your entire long-winded paragraph: like-minded people become fanatical. A true mac user phenomenon. <<guess which person has an aneurysm first?>>: No. People who argue a lot are good at it, and likely won't suffer such affects.

Gside: <<it was my intention to mean>>: I know. I was just giving you a hard time. <<There are other C60s that aren't buckys>>: This I know all too well. <<keep the berings oiled and the vacuum maintained?>>: Unfortunately, acts of god require WAY too much energy to make this thing efficient.

Niamhgold: Any art? Let me know. 8-)

Warpmind: <<Nutscrape>>: Cool I'm not the only one who calls it that. <<what's more important to you?>>: That depends on whether you speak to my biological urges or my humanity. <<battleship>>: YOU REBEL!

Gunjack: Okay, I'm calling you moochie from now on. And SO SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE!

Jaden: Hummer = good. In any of its definitions.

Uh oh...is that gonna get me banned?

Pyrex Pickle Blowfish
- Topper Harley, Hot Shots!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Monday, June 11, 2001 07:56:57 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-101.nhwd02.pacbell.net

Okay, hopefully tomorrow I'll get to make a real post, i.e., one without this picture attached to it.

It's been pointed out to me that we've let the CR rating slip, and we have. I'm at least, if not more, guilty of it then the rest. So I'm reminding you all once again that the CR is rated PG-PG-13, so let's all cut down on the four letter words, and be a little more circumspect in our discussions of our PSL.

You're all going to be nice to each other even if it kills you.

Hee hee, I am your god now. All of you are currently in a state of grace. Defy me and I shall cast you out(down, whatever) ;)


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, June 11, 2001 07:15:42 PM
IP: dialup-64.154.229.23.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net

Hello my darlings!!! I miss you so!!! I'm sorry I cant really post here regularly right now, but I wanted to drop by and say hi and let you all know that I'm well and happy, started camp today, kids are great and adorable as usual and that you are missed and loved! ^_^
Well, thats about it I guess, here's my email addy in case anyone has anything they want to tell me, or you just want to say hi, or need anyone to talk to or anything at all, I check my email at least once a week, so please feel free to write!

G'bye then, love yas lots! *HUGZ all and disapeas again*
Caliope - [raquelmd@hotmail.com]
Monday, June 11, 2001 04:46:59 PM
IP: 136.145.70.210

Hi all! I haven't been to this chat room in a while so I thought I would say hi. "HI!" Wavy wavy! I won't be attending the Gathering after all but look forward to seeing some web pages with pictures and stories. Also, Whoever this Miller guy is, We are not related.
Hope to see everyone at the next gathering. <Vanishes in a ball of phoenix fire>
Rulok - [jmiller1@satx.rr.com]
San Antonio, tx, USA/Earth
Monday, June 11, 2001 04:45:20 PM
IP: netcache.ccf.swri.edu

I have placed the pictures that I had taken onto a webpage. (click on my name) I hope that it works.

I am not eloquent enough to put my experience at the Murrah Memorial into words. If anyone ever has the opportunity to visit this place, I highly recommend that you do so.
The museum was inspirational as well as informative. They had many displays of various items that were found among the rubble and had videos of different survivors telling of their experiences.
I was not allowed to take pictures inside of the museum =\
They had damaged office supplies displayed, several pairs of eyeglasses - one was missing the left lense & the right lense was shattered, several shoes - a boot that the top was missing and only the shredded sole was left, personal photos that once sat on desks, a metal door that was blown outward from the blast, a man's jacket that was on the back of a chair (in an office from the building across the street) that was ripped to shreds from flying glass, a computer monitor that was scratched and broken on the corner, and other unbelievable items.
There is also an audio recording of the blast. This lady was dictating into a tape recorder and the bomb went off... it was frightening to say the least. She's talking and then all of the sudden this incredible blast is heard, along with the crashing and screams of others.
The last room of the museum is dedicated to the victims. Each has an acrylic shadow box with their picture in it. Families have placed small items representing something that the victim loved. In one of the children's box, there was a transformer toy, another had a Winnie the Pooh. Some of the adults had keychains, pictures of a boat, a certain kind of flower, etc. I cried.
Not once did I see mention of that spawn of Satan, mcveigh.
If anyone feels as if he did not deserve to die - please visit the memorial and then tell me you have the same opinion. Unfortunately, he died a much more peaceful way than the 68 victims did.
The news media was setting up while I was there, so we had to walk a few blocks. We did ride the trolley there, and that was an experience in itself! damn, I didn't know those things could drive so fast and stop so suddenly! eesh!

Aaron> *giggles* yeah, I know your kidding around with me over the political stuff ;) I am too with ya. I don't get too upset over political opinions too often. I'm passionate about what I believe in, but not to the point of becoming angry. =) (well, usually...)

SJ> gawsh, I'm with you... I leave for a few days too and look what happens... hehe I guess this says that the place goes to the dogs when we leave, huh? They just can't live without us *L* j/k!!

Me jealous of New York(ers)?? ummm nope! It doesn't make sense to be jealous when you are already from the great state of Texas! ;) *L*

ohwow! the Gathering is getting closer!! *counts the saved Valium* yep! I'm ready for my plane flight =)
Jannie - [<---- pics from the OKC Memorial]
Monday, June 11, 2001 04:19:15 PM
IP: modem18-127.mo-net.com

Warpmind - Are you saying that the cities in Norway are about the same size as those in ARKANSAS? Heck, I could skip steps in math class, but then, part of the requirement for homework was showing your work (1/2 the credit was showing your work and the other 1/2 for getting it right in one class).

Disney steals - There are only a limited amount of basic plots a movie/story can do. Is there a work of literature in which the villains manage to conquer a world, but only after a year of working on it? I know that's sadist, but think about it: in how stories, if the villain manages to take over the world, it takes less than 1 week. Basically, they spend lots of time building up an extremely large army, then conquer the world immediately through sheer numbers.

Ok, folks, here's a simple question: when did the BFTS RP start? even I am not sure about the exact date. Why should I ask? Well, if I am not mistaken, the BFTS RP should be over a year old by now, which only indicates, I have been posting regularly in the CR for over a year.

**RP RELATED**
At the request of many people, I will bring the whole CR upto date with the most recent happenings in the BFTS RP:

DPH has killed NCA. DPH's home was destroyed by the Speed Speed Stars. ITAG discovered a portal to the Realm and sent DPH on unofficial business for ITAG there. He stopped his visit to return to his mother's gravesite. Outside the graveyard, there is a battle going on between the Speed Stars and Lunatic and Lunacy (the last 2 are headmaster transformers).

Jason Filler is in the Realm with Daphne, awaiting DPH's return (I hope that's ok, Daphne).

Plastique Saber is at her home and pregnant SuperSpeed is there. An unknown spirit used SuperSpeed to give the spirit a new body.

Winterwolf, Equus, and Shadow are off in NYC. Uriel is in the process of becoming acquitanted with the NYC Gargoyles.

I believe that is the current status of all main characters in the BFTS RP. Wow, I can't believe how many threads are still active. I think I might clear up who/what the unknown spirit is.
**END RP RELATED**

That's all for today.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, June 11, 2001 01:46:55 PM
IP: max1-30.cwy.cei.net

Because I have other commitments late Sunday afternoon that I can not miss, I will not be able to attend the Banquet during the Gathering....

So....

I am offering up 2 banquet tickets at the reduced price of $40 each.

Email me if you're interested.

Kathy - [tgatekeeper1@yahoo.com]
The Gatekeeper
Monday, June 11, 2001 01:04:41 PM
IP: nat-209-177.nat.dot.ca.gov

*Warpmind enters, scratching his head.*
Okay... Nutscrape 6 up and running... Odigo running... everything's a-okay, then, I should think... Netscape's a bit sluggish, though... Anyway, on to replies...

Josh: Hell is not quite a city... more like a little town, by American standards. (Heck, our CAPITAL only has about 800,000 citizens...)

Fire Storm: Dat's right; only women think about sex. Men go beyond the boundaries of the verb "think about". };)

Gside: Whether or not the scythe from Grim Fandango is better than the Magus'... I don't know. Could be. All I know for sure is that I want the Grim Fandango scythe, just 'cause it's a FOLDABLE scythe. That's right: you can fold it up and put it in your pocket! :D

Oh, on the old topic of requirements to be a parent, I'm reminded of an old quote, for which I do not know the origin... "Being a father ain't hard. It takes, what, twenty-some chromosomes? Now, being a DAD..." Just a thought to all us guys here... what's more important to you? Becoming a father, or a dad?

Aaron: So you're saying Asner's not showing due to recent hip surgery? Hmmm... with that in mind... and some of the comments here... I can only deduce that he HAS heard of the Lapdance Threat... };)

Christine: You didn't ask about Dork Tower. That was just a general reference to Igor... and, maybe you'd like to read the introduction to Dark Of The Elvenwood again? ;)

Daniel Johnson/DPH: Brain operating too fast? Sheesh, you shoulda seen my mathbooks... for about nine years, there were VERY few actual calculations done on paper... mostly just skimmed through neurally and the answer plotted down in the book... my teachers kept freaking out about it; I also often had to defend myself against charges of cheating. (Unfortunately, to this day I cannot recall conciously more than a small handful of mathematical rules... but I still get the answers mostly right...)

Dreamie: A deck of cards. Maybe I'll bring a chessboard. Or, if I'm *really* in a daring mood, a portable Battleship game. };) And I'm glad to find a little understanding... :)

By the way, everyone, Gunjack Valentine does NOT approve of just anyone calling him "moochie". *Turns toward Gunjack* Ain't that right, moochie? };) *Dives for cover*

Well, that concludes the post... Later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, June 11, 2001 10:25:24 AM
IP: mp-217-240-166.daxnet.no

** Niamhgold enters **

Hola everybody! :) ** Looks at room ** Wow, a lot has happened since I've been gone...I'll try to catch up as best I can! If anyone was wondering, I haven't been in for a couple days due to (a) work, (b) I went to a Red Sox game Saturday (they lost to the Phillies, darn it, but at least I got a luxury box seat and all the cracker jacks I could eat outta it! ;)) and (c) I was at my cousin's wedding yesterday. On to replies!

Dreamie: <Chunky details> No problem...it'll be smooth, real smooth ;) I just gotta actually sit down and catch up with all my email now ;) <Observing people> Yes, observing the actions of people and how they group together is quite...interesting. Yoko Ono did a performance piece like that (forget the name); it included her sitting on a stage with scissors, and eventually people started coming up and using the scissors to cut her clothing; then, some people got really obnoxious and started cutting her (she just sat there, apparently). What ended up happening was a group of "molesters" formed and a group of "defenders" formed and the two duked it out over Yoko... o_O <Betting a penny on an aneurysm> Not yet, but I'll keep that in mind for next time! ;)

Jannie: <As of 7:14 AM...> Amen to that.

Jaden: Hola! Glad you could make a stop in! :)

Disney stealing: Hey, everybody steals from everybody...I don't think that there can be too many breakthrough, first-time ideas on their own...take fashion, for instance. Everybody steals from everybody in fashion; styles tend to repeat themselves in some variation after 7-17 years.

Kit: ** Waves happily ** HEY! How are ya doin'? :D

Brain working too fast: Heh, I believe in that disorder. Unfortunately, people don't believe that my brain works too fast because my words often sound like I'm thinking too slow. Anyone else have the problem of changing subjects fluidly, but everybody around you can't quite change the gears in their head fast enough to catch up?

Have fun in Poland, Shadowrider! :)

Flame wars in general: Egh, it's too hot in my town this month to even think of participating in anything that starts with the word "flame." Now, if they were called ice wars...of course, that would lose impact in the long, cold winters. ;)

Winterwolf: <Spending time with the love of your life> I don't think anyone can begrudge you that! And hugs right back at ya. <Make it up to you> Don't worry...a lot of pics from the gathering and another yearly gathering essay, and that'll be fine! ;)

Christine: Yay! Book shipment! ** Does the book shipment dance **

Final Fantasy the Movie: Aggh, cannot _wait_! Aren't the action figures supposed to come out in stores soon? I can't wait to expand my final fantasy figure collection! ;)

Allright, gotta peel!
Adios :)




Niamhgold
Monday, June 11, 2001 09:43:33 AM
IP: lac-flex144.ncia.net

At 7:14am (cst) the citizens and survivors of Oklahoma City can complete the healing process. The world is now a little bit better place because the beast is dead.

I visited the Murrah Memorial this weekend. It was an extremely moving experience and I will post more about it later. Right now I'm on the way to the hospital where they took my dad last night at 1:15 via ambulance. They *think* it's cardiac related. update to follow.
Jannie
Monday, June 11, 2001 08:59:52 AM
IP: modem18-127.mo-net.com

****Jaden comes running in out of breath****

YES! I am still alive! God what a busy time we're having here. All the higher ups are having heartattacks over our new head gear and there want a big cerimony for and now my Hummer seems to be pissed at me. Every time I get close to getting it fixed another problem or two appears out of nowhere. It's getting really hot and really humid too. But I can't complain about it since i said that I won't if I survived the winter. Anyway I'm glad to see that everyone is still up and running here.

Later
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, June 11, 2001 05:32:02 AM
IP: apnc106.216.216.211.in-addr.arpa

And now for some pointless 3am IM humor! Lord knows we could use some in here! ; )

jacob: (BTW, i call you "moochie" behind your back ;))
GunjackValentine: O.O ...
jacob: LOL
GunjackValentine: *is mortified*
jacob: and occasionally "moochie gasmoochie"
GunjackValentine: you CAN'T be serious...
jacob: ; )
GunjackValentine: *clutches chest* ...heart... skipping beats...
jacob: my texas moochie...
GunjackValentine: voice... starting... to sound like william... shatner...
jacob: oooooooooo such a coochie moochie gasmoochie...
GunjackValentine: x.x
jacob: *tickles under chin*
GunjackValentine: *thud*
jacob: *explosive laughter*
GunjackValentine: ;)
GunjackValentine: You REALLY call me that?

...I still have NO clue how she gets "moochie" from "Mike"... I think it may be a canadian thing. In any case, I don't think the CDC spends NEAR enough money looking for a cure... ; )
Gunjack "Moochie" Valentine
Monday, June 11, 2001 03:38:16 AM
IP: ac95beef.ipt.aol.com

General ugliness abounds.

Gunjack> <<Can They SAY That!?>>: I'd assume so. It's rather hard to carry on a conversation about two discrete objects without general differentiating pronouns. Or, in another sense, most people have approximately the same structure of vocal organs, so it should be relatively easy to determine what is possible to say and what isn't.

Imzadi> <<Okay. C60. Done>>: Well, it was my intention to mean in the same structurally graphical format. But you already know that. And There are other C60s that aren't buckys. Imagine a giant doubly bonded ring.

Fire Storm> <<I figure if I use a triple ball-bering system and enclose it in a near vacuum>>: But what are you going to do to keep the berings oiled and the vacuum maintained?
<<Huh?>>: Pretty much. This is one reason I like bringing up things outside of the general frame of reference. Alchemy is a program that creates 3D models of molecules with various display features (ball and stick, depth cueing...). It can even correct bond angles. See my directory for a screen capture.
<<Any idea what the structure of Kevlar is?>>: Sorry.

Edward Toy> <<I would rather read this stuff through E-Mail>>: To each their own. I like having it all on one page, and the colors make it easier to identify posters. That, and being web based makes it easier to get into without sign up procedures.

And now you people get an mp3 that I haven't gotten a chance to listen to yet (!@$# comment season). Sudamerica by Timoria, with a translation by the gracious Shadowrider.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, June 11, 2001 01:32:00 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

:::skips into the room, stopping abruptly to step aside from a pile of.... something gooey and quivering::: Well that's... eh, interesting... ain't it? lol

Imzadi: <<hosted by angelfire image>> Ah Angelfire... non-supporter of direct image linking :| <<Have faith>> I've been meaning to get that CD... <<Well, if we have to kill him to make Gargoyles come back to TV, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make ;-).>> See gun debate comment. <<I'll buy you some of the normal stuff as thanks>> So if anyone sees me walking around squirting a large gob of whip cream in my mouth they'll know why? <<I hope you had a life in high school>> Actually...... no :::chuckle::: <<I rarely stick my tongue out at donut holes...unless they're being particularly annoying>> Those darn "friends" and their vodka donuts.... Ever see a pastry sprout legs and do the Charleston? <<Christine and Dreamie...this is for you...whoever hosts your sites oughta be shot considering how cool they are>> Angelfire, while slow and annoying, is also free. <<mac users>> BTW, I was looking through animated gifs yesterday, and found one I thought you'd find amusing... "Flame war" at "http://www.copzilla.com/restricted/originals/flamewar.gif ", name and password: "gifmonster" <<As I said to a friend of mine...>> :::turns bright red::: <<Whoa! I never said she was the cutest thing I've ever seen! I live in LA, remember?>> O.o and this, I assume, is entirely based on photo reference? :::points::: "http://www.angelfire.com/wa2/dreamie/dpic.html" <<Dreamie was free. Uh, that is, er, I mean...she didn't charge me...um, well, er...the artwork that I borrowed from Dreamie for my project was royalty-free>> :\ Well gee I'm glad you finally cleared that one up. :| <<The opinion that other people are stupid and, on the whole, untrustworthy.>> I have a quote for you... I find it funny that it's from Shakespeare's Fictional king: "When we are born, we cry that we are come to this great stage of fools." ~King Lear. Fitting, no? ^_~ <<Okay, off to get a hair cut and redo my highlights so I don't look like a schmuck for Gathering!>> And I'm sure you can't blame me for, as of now, adding that to the subject line of the "gay surfer gargoyle" image. <<Yankee Doodle Floppy Disk>> Milli Vanilli Chilli Willy! LOL

Niamhgold:<<Will hopefully have an email to you in a (ahem) _Jiffy_ ;P>> Don't be stingy on the chunky details, either. :::laughs:::

Mecord:<<Looks like there will be a number of couples at the gathering. I look forward to meeting other people as strange as us. ;)>> Heh, and oh what a spectacle it will be, too.

Warpmid:<<I don't even have fur!>> Though tempted, I'm not touching that one! <<And everything dirty is fun, when properly applied>> Very true :::laughs::: <<a deck of cards can't be THAT noisy, can it?>> A deck of *cards*?! Oh my GAWDS! O.o <<Ya can guess why I called, then?>> Absolutely. I would have had the phone ringing off the hook, myself. ^_~ <<Sigmund Freud's brain>> LOL

FS:<<But remember: Only WOMEN think about sex! >> I only half agree with you. ^_~

SJ:<<Inside, I feel my heart breaking a little.>> Aw.... <<As should all of us males in the room.>> ...All of them? :::cryptic smirk::: <<And I'm not joking. If you've seen a picture of Dreamie, I dare you not to notice how undeniably cute she is.>> Dare taken, dare victorious... what did I win? ^_~

Christine:<<Av mists>> Whoo! ^_^ <<books>> Congrats! BTW, did you feel the 5 point earthquake this morning? I did but I just fell back asleep with a groan. <<peep war website>> PEEPS!!! :D

Lain:<<*mumbles something about men being sexy with long hair and kilts and*>> Lightning bolts WHA? Where?! <<my connection is SLOWER THAN THE SECOND COMING!!!!!>> So now I'm wondering how slow is slower than never, and just how you got a post through in the first place ^_~

Lynati:<<but every time you turn around there is nothing there but the clown bed?>> Can't sleep.. clown'll eat me.... can't sleep... clown'll eat me..... :::Tries to hold back a laugh:::

<<No Marina and Co.>> Aw.... while it's a sure loss, my reason for attending is much more personal than getting some strangers' autographs. Besides, I happen to like the fact that many of the lesser known individuals who brought Gargoyles to life will be in attendance. What *would* the voices be without the writing/ editing/ storyboarding/ illustration/ cartooning/ etc. behind them? Cheers to behind-the-scenes!!

Winterwolf::<<I agree with SJ and Imazadi. You are the cutest I've ever seen!>> ::turns an ever brighter red::: <<Maybe now you'll reconsider that tickle attack? ;)>> HA! No way Wolfie! Flattery will only gain more :::TICKLES!!::: <<Well if I drop anything at least it gives Aaron a chance to get a great deal like last time>> Hey Aaron, let's talk, there's a plot afoot. ^_~ <<Another green-eyed monster>> As opposed to a green-eyed wolfie? LOL

Happy Birthday Shadowrider!! See you when you get back! ^_^

<<gun debate>> I have nothing to say other than the following: I don't like guns, I never have, but if someone makes an attempt on the life of my family, myself or my love, they will at the very least get a hole in the leg. ^_~

Sociological observation: I enjoy observing people, and as such it has come to my attention that individuals, especially in groups were the members are passionate enough to come together for a cause they feel attached to, will often group together in other passionate situations. Passionate people breed passionate debates. Tell either side they're wrong and the pack bites your head off for looking at them sideways. But I digress..."We can complain that a rose bush has thorns, or celebrate that a thorn bush has roses."

And while I'm at it, an impromptu poll: Anyone else sit and watch people argue, lean over to your mate, and bet them a penny that you can guess which person has an aneurysm first?

Gunjack: Ooooo.. marshmallows... :::gets out a marshmallow, squishing and shaping it into a flat body with a little round head, and digging around for some pink food coloring::: Hey Val... want to have a Peep War with pyrotechnics? :::eg:::

Danielle:<<wonderful world of genetic engineering>> Ah...gotta love it. ^_^

DPH:<<Frankly, I am not sure that is a good idea. Somebody could create a pretender (beyond genius) and train him to conquer the world. How would you stop such a person?>> And so the glass must be half empty.

<<Disney Steals>> And yet I'd like to interject that even Shakespeare was known to borrow from other plays/authors.

11 days until the gathering!!!!!!
That's all for now, ladies and gents.... it's over, breathe breathe....^_~

"There is no emoticon for what I'm feeling."
~ComicBook Store Guy, The Simpsons.
Dreamie
Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:50:24 PM
IP: acb53a78.ipt.aol.com

Back in here again, after a long absence. Hi everyone.

Robby: Looks like I better clarify some things to you. Doug and I have been using Miller's computer recently, ever since ours went on the blink last month and Alex/Gubio was never able to fix it. We're still saving for a new one. It's such a pain when old computers die. <sigh> That's the reason for the IP similarity. As for the color, well, Tom was using Dark Orange. Doug uses Sun Orange. They look remarkably similar, but they ain't the same. And yes, Doug has been busy for a long time. Still is. I am too, to a degree. But I am taking the time to come in here and clarify things as it seems I need to. Miller isn't Doug at all, Doug would never attack someone so harshly as he has- if you know Doug, you should know that. We've never mentioned Tom being our mutual childhood friend before because frankly we didn't feel the need to. Also note he said he knew us off and on- that's true. He knew Doug in first grade, me in second through fifth, then his family moved to Ohio for a while and they didn't come back to Houston until I was in ninth grade, so we didn't meet again till then. His family did often spend their summers in Michigan though, Doug spent part of most Julys there also with his father during his childhood (his father is divorced from his mother, as you should recall), and he and Tom spent time together on the wooded shores of Lake Charlevoix. Those days ended when Doug moved to Taipei. Then in 2000 Tom transferred from Rice to UT, met Doug and me again, and we finally found out we had a mutual childhood friend- we didn't even know it before last year when I introduced Doug to Tom and to my surprise they recognized each other. I hope you understand things better now. BTW, it's been almost four years Doug and I have known each other, not five. Your mistake's excused. As for Miller saying Doug and I are compulsive liars, well, you'll have to excuse me for not going into detail about that. Do I really need to, especially to someone who doesn't believe I exist? <glare>

Shadowrider: Sorry I missed you again. <sighs> Have fun in Poland, I'll try to drop in again when you get back. Hope we have a new computer by then. I'd kill DC, but I'm not in the mood.

Crzy: Miller asked me to say thank you. You should know what for.

Christine: You have my undying applause and admiration as always. You go, girl! :) Expect a call from Doug soon (like your husband, he handles most of the money in our family) about ordering Archmage of the Universe, he's already tried to reach you once.

I don't have time to say anything else tonight. Still gotta read AvMists. Later all. <smiles at the Admins, rolls her eyes dramatically in SJ's direction, then strolls out>
Kit
Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:33:45 PM
IP: 1cust234.tnt3.austin2.tx.da.uu.net

Aaron - What are you talking about? I have been working on the largest Gathering EVER for the last 10 months... sorry if that's not enough.

And apparently I have more time to "twit pissy" than all the admins in here combined to keep this place in line. I haven't been posting in here much because this place is so out of control. (what's the rating in here these days? R?)

Oh... BTW, Patrick said to remind you all... 12 days to the Gathering 2001. :)
CrzyDemona
Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:31:17 PM
IP: 1cust30.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Edward - Yahoo Groups just wouldn't work for this spot. 1 reason: threads. We would have to end up breaking a large post into smaller ones just to keep the threads straight. Besides, Yahoo Groups doesn't always thread properly.

Daniel Johnson - thinking too fast has caused me similiar problems. I'll leave out steps in logic very easily without realizing it. I really wish I could go to the Gathering just to meet my online twin.

But wait, who says I can't make my presence known at an event I am not attending.

**WARNING: DPH'S Brain is switching to Warp Mode**
I finally got a binder and the sheets to put the BFTS RP archive in. All I would need to do is a create a crossword possible and ship it and the BFTS RP archive to the Gathering to make my presence known.
**END**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:45:39 PM
IP: max1-35.cwy.cei.net

Fire Storm:
<<Carbon fiber is too expensive>> Whine, whine, whine. :) Be careful of concrete though; it's rather brittle.
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Edward:
I don't think that an email list would work well for here. I know that I would be less likely to participate if I had to constantly sift through my mailbox. And I, for one, think it's easier to keep track of who says what if they post in different colors. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be a version of the page that doesn't use colors, just as there's one that doesn't use pictures.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:31:54 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-121-157.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

This is my first post to this list while I have read the comment room for about six months. This message is for the administrators. The list would be easier to control and would able you to stop flame wars quickly by adding all the members to Yahoo Groups(former Egroups). Also this list would be easier to read because I find it hard to read with all the color choices people put on the list and other factors. I would rather read this stuff through E-Mail. I wouldn't be forced to go to this site every week and would rather read the comments in the order they were sent instead of newest first. I would suggest creating an E-Mail Group on Yahoo and asking all users to join it. It will also give you a better idea of the amount of people looking at the list. I sure there are more lurkers on this list than posters and forcing them to join the list would give you a full list of all the lurkers and the posters.


Edward Toy
Edward Toy - [toyet24@yahoo.com]
West Seneca, New York, United States
Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:08:24 PM
IP: a010-0195.bflo.splitrock.net

Okay, now I'm starting to get annoyed. For one thing, I'm missing the LA/Philly game, in which I am heavily emotionally invested.

The Admins have conferenced by e-mail, and we have reached the following conclusion. Nobody really gives a damn what we say because we've been too nice. So this is it. The gauntlet is thrown down. I'm going to act like another admin who I've been mistaken for IRL and start banning people's asses.

This flame war is a dead subject. D-E-A-D. The next person who mentions it is getting banned. End of subject.

Jen> With the con ten days away, do you really have nothing better to do then twit Pissy? I know you enjoy it, but c'mon, more constructive things, alright. For instance, it's been 10 months, and I've seen hide nor hair of that project you were talking about at Christine's panel last year...

Pissy> First, thank you for not responding to "Miller". Thank you for showing some faith in the Admins. That is the proper behavior for trolls. Ignore them and they go away. But really, what purpose does sniping at Christine serve, besides to promote tension and conflict in the CR and maybe get your ass banned. And I don't want to do that, 'cause damnit, we've lost too many already.

Thank you. That'll be all.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Sunday, June 10, 2001 09:31:40 PM
IP: dialup-64.154.230.220.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net

Daniel Johnson: <I remember an article I read a while ago where they were making experimental flywheels out of a, I think, carbon fiber composite.>
True. But I am looking for a relatively low cost one for a house. Carbon fiber is just WAY too expensive for me. Heavy and slow is cheap, light and fast is expensive.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 09:00:37 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

Fire Storm:
I missed the discussion on flywheels before. I remember an article I read a while ago where they were making experimental flywheels out of a, I think, carbon fiber composite. They were VERY strong and could be spun at very high speeds which means they could be lighter. They were suspended in a magnetic field within a vacuum to eliminate as much friction as possible. The magnetic field also served to spin them up. Interesting stuff. A bank of small ones could power a car and be more efficient than batteries. Not that the oil companies would stand for such a thing, of course. :)
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, June 10, 2001 08:31:34 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-121-157.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

DPH:
<<Has anyone heard of a disorder where the brain works too fast?>> :D If there is, then I have it too. Although it seems to be more of a problem of processing and storing information than speed. Speed is a byproduct. How to describe... when most people read, they see letters and words which they then combine into sentences in their head. I don't really see words, at least not consciously. I see...ideas. That is, I see a sentence fragment, a whole sentence, or a couple of sentences as a single unit. A concept. This happens unconsciously, in my visual cortex I suppose. It's like when you look at a tree, your brain says "Hey, that's a tree" without you having to look at the components that make up a tree. You see it as a discrete thing. I do the same thing with words. I see the meaning of a sentence without being aware of the words that make it up. This means a few things: one, I read extremely fast. Two, I have very high reading comprehension. In third grade I had a 12th grade, 9th month reading ability. But, it has one serious drawback. I have always had to work hard to turn my thoughts back into words since that process isn't automated. This has caused me to struggle all throughout school. Only after years of practice am I able to do this fairly well, and I still feel uncomfortable writing at times. That's one of the reasons I sometimes go a while without posting here; I have trouble verbalizing what I want to say, so I end up getting frustrated and saying nothing. Unlike now. :) Wow, that's the first time I ever tried to put this into words. Very cathartic.
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Hey, last week the Wall Street Journal flamed Microsoft. Or, more precisely, technology columnist Walt Mossberg did. He was talking about the new "innovation" called Smart Tags in Office XP and Windows XP. This wonderful new feature allows MS to effectively edit the content of any web site you visit without the site author's knowledge or consent. And you thought that the government would be Big Brother. I suggest you read the article for the details. Click my name. But Microsoft insists that we should trust them to know what we should be reading. It's for our own good, you know. Just like we should trust them with all our data through .NET, PassPort, and HailStorm.

In related news, an insurance company recently decided to charge higher premiums for their "hacker insurance" for computers running Microsoft IIS software. Why? Because their research shows that Microsoft's products are far more vulnerable to hacking than other systems. MS countered that their record on security is flawless. Other insurance companies have indicated that they may follow suit.

Sorry, but I'm getting really sick of Microsoft's antics.
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Speaking of flames, I see that we have a few heating this place up. I hope that everyone realizes that this all started with disagreements over the fictional actions of fictional characters in fictional stories based on a fictional TV show. Some how this mutated into slander and personal attacks. Just as it always does. I used to get upset, but now I'm just mildly amused. It's too pointless to get upset over. Frankly, I feel that the idea that someone cannot write (or read) about characters who are violent, evil, or perverted without themselves being violent, evil, or perverted is absurd. This applies to EVERYONE. The important thing is that everyone here can, or should be able to, distinguish between fantasy and reality. If you can't then it doesn't matter what you read. I like to play Unreal Tournament; does that make me a psychopathic killer with a Flak Cannon? Well, on second thought...
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Hi Aris! Nice to see you again. :) Friendly atmosphere, no?
----
Enough for now or I'll overload.

How many Perl programmers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, June 10, 2001 08:16:05 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-121-157.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Imzadi: <Murphy's law>
Murphy SUCKS!
<There's your answer. While I'm working>
Now you suck! I may have to start learning stuff! DirectX 8, C++, BASIC, etc.
Now... all I need is money to buy the books...
<Apparently, the average american idiot has more insight than the massive computer hardware companies.>
The hardware companies knew this. They knew this all too well. It's the other companies that were morons. Hell, even *I* bought a zip drive (External. I got my internal for free), but I only paid $100 for the drive and 10 disks. I haven't bought any disks since then and I have 15+ disks. And I may actually start using them. The work computers have Zip 100's in them.
<Yeah, but in a windows environment, you can't argue that there is a better browser>
Hmm... OH! Yes I can! It is a pain in the ass to turn off cookies and Javascript.
Now there are MANY arguements against Outlook...
<But everyone thinks about penises>
Wang.
<Make it a PDF and post it! I want!>
Maybe... I just have to make it in Photoshop.
<What on earth for? You've got 25 gigs of PSL!>
True... but I am waiting for the IBM .75TB hard drive to come out next year!

Imzadi, Gside:
<YES PLEASE!> <Why the heck not?>
Are you ABSOULTELY sure? I mean, in that discussion, we are talking about gravity weapons, PBWs, mass drivers, rail guns, lasers, nukes... you wouldn't be interested. ;)
<No. Friction of a spinning wheel would lose energy and you'd have to keep pumping energy into it to keep it spinning. Unless you've discovered the secret of perpetual motion.> <Yes, but various frictions are also eating at it>
Well, I figure if I use a triple ball-bering system and enclose it in a near vacuum, I can reduce the friction to the point where it only loses about 100watts or less of power per hour. And I plan on having more than one of these. Plus, my house now only eats an average of 1.25KW of power per hour.

Gside: <How are you doing with slash directon?>
Pretty well. For the most part.
<Just try telling that to the Tick>
What a battle cry!
<Ergo, men don't think? Can't really argue>
Hmm... good point. If I remember correctly, Freud said that only women repress sexual feelings, so only they thing about sex constantly.
I think he forgot what it was like to be a hormone crazed male teen.
<Heck yeah. I have three and a half or so years of physics on an 8.5x11, and most of it is centered on a 3x5 I taped into the sheet.>
Heck, sounds like me. I remember there were a few people in my physics class that cramed damn near the entire physics book on a 3x5 card for the final.
<I challenge you to add a bucky by hand>
Believe me, I have been trying. But I found out one thing. I SUCK at drawing hexagons and pentagons!
<Alchemy makes it too easy. They even include it with the sample molecules (as well as teh ones you mentioned).>
Huh?
<Did you have any non organics on your sheet?>
Not yet. Mainly just organics and petrochemicals. Although I should add Teflon. I can do that one from memory alone. Any idea what the structure of Kevlar is?
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 07:29:25 PM
IP: 206.25.115.145

Seeing Evolution today with the family, in the meantime I'm teaching my brother how to use a macintosh. All in favor of me giving a $1500 machine to my 13-year old brother for free, say "AYE!"

Went to Rocky last night with a bunch of friends, saw some people I haven't seen in a while. I'm trying to figure out how to balance my time between the Rocky con and the Gathering. Who wants to go with me to rocky con besides Lynati?

Gside: <<Just try telling that to the Tick>>: SPOON! <<men don't think?>>: No duh. <<I challenge you to add a bucky by hand>>: Okay. C60. Done. 8-)

Flame war: I kind of like pistoff cuz he's funny in a cruel and depraved way, which is exactly my type of humor, though I think mine is a bit more subdued. Anyway, you'll notice that pistoff hasn't posted a reply, and this flamewar seems to be everyone against or with miller in a flame war with no one.

SJ: Who are you and what have you done with the real SJ! <<only so many ways to say asshole>>: LOL.

Lain: I want the old SJ back! <<it would be *GREAT* if noone flamed anyone else in here ever again>>: If two people agree on everything, one isn't needed.

Christine: <<not absolutely necessary to buy all the books>>: We'll see.

DPH: <<I disagree. I am fully capable...>>: Again, sounds like many people I know (myself included) under the influence of stimulants.

Not much to post on, cuz I don't really want to get involved in this flame war either. I will say that anyone has a right to write about whatever they want. And if you don't like it, don't read it.

Yankee Doodle Floppy Disk
- Lt. Commander Block, Hot Shots!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Sunday, June 10, 2001 07:12:44 PM
IP: ppp-206-170-218-44.nhwd02.pacbell.net

aaron>> please check your email and, if you would, forward to robby. i neglect to have written down his email.
thankyou.
lain
Sunday, June 10, 2001 05:51:03 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

*Enters carrying a pair of weeny sticks and a bag of marshmellows. Loading both sticks to capacity with fluffy white sugary goodness, he proceeds to hand one to SJ before sitting down to roast*

Mmm, smell the napalm... I hope y'all flamers realize how rediculous you look to rational people. You won't listen, of course, but I just thought I'd mention it...

Lain - I signed on Odigo, under the username GunjackValentine, and with my normal email address. I ran a search for Jacob, and nothing turned up... Oh, wait, found you. Sheesh, wasn't expecting you to be taking THAT kinda precautions. Was it the russian who signed up for ya? ; ) Anyway, left a message for ya. See you tonight, hopefully...

Crzy - Ma'am, with all due respect, you're not exactly in a position to be talking about people's tempers. Pisstoff is indiscrete and/or rude. You're actually flaming. There's a difference between tossing in a barb and breaking out the WP grenades. And you DO, if I may again be bold, have a habit of escalating these things. It didn't help the last time, or the time before, and it ain't gonna help now.

Miller - I only scanned a bit of your posts, but you're really picking a bad way to introduce yourself. Can the flamethrowing crusader act, eh?

And now I'm off. See y'all tonight.
Gunjack "Can They SAY That!?" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 05:47:47 PM
IP: ac816b06.ipt.aol.com

Imzadi - Addition to speed? I disagree. I am fully capable of connecting things most people see as unrelated and making them related. I am also capable of thinking things through to set up victory for myself in rapid fashion.

Winterwolf, may I ask a small favor of you? One of these days could you freeze the CR room completely over?

DisHarmony is on the loose again. Apparantly now we know what she has been planning while she has been quiet: a flame war in the CR.

1+1=-3

BTW, my sister-in-law thought I had a pretty good imagination after reading the BFTS RP archive. Winterwolf, she thought it was cute about the cats guarding my house.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, June 10, 2001 04:14:02 PM
IP: max1-15.cwy.cei.net

Miller - ::STANDING OVATION:: It's about time someone pointed out what freak stories Pissy's stuff is... The stuff in his fics turns my stomach. (13 year olds having sex with adults... ::Shudders::) Remember though, Pissy thinks his feces has a pine fresh scent... So I am sure he will think up something creative to slaughter you with. Sorry dude.

Spacebabie - Are we all suppose to walk on eggshells just because Pistoff is unstable?? He's allowed to be a freak and publicly attack people and we are suppose to stand back and let it happen because he has no control over his temper or actions? no way.

Robby - Dude, wake up and smell the bull. He blatantly attacked CHRISTINE... not her work.

and lastly... Pistoff - If anything is keeping Gargs off the airwaves it's people like you in the fandom who would rather sit and bitch instead of taking active measures to get it back on the air. Yeah, sit in front of your computer and bitch... attack those who are working hard to get the show back on the air... yeah... that'll help. I really wish you could make it to the Gathering. I am sure Christine and Madame Destine would have a SPECIAL award, just for your apathy. I honestly think this jealousy of Christine is getting out of hand... don't you think? I know it is tough to stand back and watch her become a suscessful published author when you are... a pizza delivery boy? Nevermind, I can see why you are jealous now.. run with it.
CrzyDemona - [crzy_demona@art-chicks.com]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 03:49:38 PM
IP: 1cust202.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Pistoff > Gee, all I said was that I didn't care for that kind of humor. Don't see what that has to do with anything regarding my tastes in writing. But any excuse to bring it up, ey wot? Potshots at Christine, three for a nickel. As for Jericho and the effect on Disney, I think you're giving me far too much credit but thank you for believing I have such influence.

Miller > oh, there've been harsh words on my end too; don't think there haven't been. Just not _as_ harsh; I lack a certain profane flair and don't have the intensity of emotion concerning this matter -- I don't hate anyone. In fact, they'd probably prefer that I did hate than feel what I do. But all that aside, I'd like to thank you for the defense even though it wasn't really necessary -- I'm used to this sort of nonsense by now, and I don't like to see anyone else get the brunt of it by speaking up on my behalf.

Josh > it's not absolutely necessary to buy all the books, no, but of course that would be appreciated ; ) And thank you for the icons for AvMists; I will be looking forward to more for the next issue!

Warpmind > I forget now why I asked about Dork Tower, except that I think it's great and everyone should read it ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 03:30:47 PM
IP: 21-024.075.popsite.net

OMG!!!!!!
sj DOESNT want to participate in a flame war?????
...
...
...
SEND OUT THE SEARCH PARTY!!!!!!!
THE REAL SJs BEEN KIDNAPPED BY ALIENS!!!!!!!!!

hee hee.. sorry.. ; ) i couldnt resist..
on second thought.. maybe we should KEEP this new model of SJ.. i think i like him... : D
lain
Sunday, June 10, 2001 03:18:45 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Aaron walks in from trying to have a quiet weekend, with Chibi-Death perched on his shoulder.

Why aren't you in the shelter with the others?

Death shrugs. "Me and Pest in a locked room? I'd rather take my chances up here. Besides, people have posted while you were typing, and you have to start over."

Crap. Alright then, a few words.

Lain> Good snag. Once again, I'm glad Robby made you a Co-Admin.

"Miller"> Don't even get me started with you. Robby and Lain have said everything I was going to say, pretty much, but in a much nicer way. I am intrigued by your description of Doug as a compulsive liar tho'... If it's true, it makes one wonder just what Doug has lied to us about... Or maybe what he'd told the truth about would be more to the point...

Pissy> I know what you want to do. Every fiber of your being is screaming to flame this guy back, to write a response so hot the keyboard will melt when you're done typing it. *DON'T* Because by giving him that reaction, you're playing right into his hands. He wants you gone. He's admitted as much. He wants you to escalate this, and either get banned, or leave in disgust. Please, bide your time, and wait for the Admins to take action. Because, believe me, it's coming. It's just a question of how severe it's going to be.

But, as to your idea that Christine's work somehow made the guests bail on us... Well, to quote Edmond Blackadder... Utter crap. I doubt if *any* of the guests besides Greg and Thom, who've met her already, have ever even *heard* of Christine.

I don't know why they didn't get posted in here, but the reasons the guests dropped are as follows. (Keep in mind, this is my uninvolved fanboy understanding here, so if anyone who is Con Staff would like to correct a mistake, please do)

Ed Asner is currently recovering from hip surgery, and is currently not up to anything like a con. There will be a get well card for him at G2K1.

Tom Wilson has a paying gig doing stand-up in Denver. And hey, adoration might be nice, but the guy's gotta eat.

Brigette... The point of having the con in LA was so that the guests wouldn't have to be paid to fly in. Unfortunately, Brigette moved to New York in the interim, making her unavailable.

Marina... It's all about the Benjamins. Or rather, our lack of them. Turnout, though spectacular, has still not been enough to afford Marina. Sucks, but what can you do?

Oh, and SJ, I think I want a word with you.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Sunday, June 10, 2001 02:58:08 PM
IP: 209.33.140.102

miller>>.. uh... just because i post with a flame doesnt mean im trying to flame you, you know ; )
i wasnt yelling at you.. last time *I* got yelled at, it didnt involve words like "please" and "thankyou" to say the least.......

anyway, yeah yeah now you REALLY dragged me in and im gonna have to respond to the stuff you said.
you dont have a quarrel with pissy? oh.. well then why are we having this discussion?
oh.. and we ARE going to play the "he started it" game. well, i dont know who started the *original* squabble. i wasnt there. honestly i dont care and i wish everyone would stop disinterring its sorry carcass and dragging it in here... we dont need it, and we dont want it either. as for "who started it" i think we all could agree that we would not be having this conversation if pistoff hadnt called you a "shit-tick" (what the heck kind of insult is THAT.. yipe..) and HE wouldnt have called anyone a "shit-tick" if he hadnt been insulted by you.
of course, "if he hadnt come in here and said the things he has" things would be different, this is absolutely true and if "he could have just kept his mouth shut, all would have been fine. but he didnt" and neither did you.
"when some asshole walks into a place and starts insulting people for no good reason, should decent people just ignore him and let him go about his business?" well, no, i dont think so.. but i also dont think you should anonymously insult and provoke him and thus make a large, unnecessary scene in here. even you must admit that that was not the best strategy, no?
"should we let him ruin the atmosphere even in a small way?"
i dont think ANYONE should be allowed to ruin the atmosphere in any small way in here. that includes pistoff.. and you.. and me.. and all of us.
you might not have had the intention of splitting up the comment room, but that is exactly what you are doing. did you see spacebabie run for the flame-war shelter? you might not be meaning to do it but please look around and see that its what is happening..

everyone is entitled to a viewpiont. just because you dont share that viewpiont doesnt mean the other isnt valid. opinions are opinions, not facts. and every last one of them is valid, no matter how outrageous or hypocritical it might look to you, or me, or anyone else. i could say that all people from texas are backwater, stupidly right-wing, redneck idiots with guns. thats an opinion. (heck.. knowing me i might even BELIEVE that one ; ) ) but that doesnt make it right, its just an opinion and im intitled to it just as much as you can believe canadians are nothing but a bunch of mexican leftist potheads in sweaters.. hey.. maybe youd be right too..
so whats my point? well, my point is that those opinions i just expressed are NOT wrong, simply missinformed. whats the best way to change the opinions? well.. im pretty sure that tossing insults wouldnt do much other than cause a pile of unnecessary animosity between us.

i might not have been here for those past flame wars but i would like think that the other people in here dont view me as a "lesser poster" or "not as much a part of the community" as those of you that have.. that really makes me sad if you think that..

anyway, i would argue that at the end of those wars, the comment room was indeed split. theres the "thats not fair to yell at pissy" camp, the "that pissy is a (#^&$^*&^#, lets kick him out" camp and the "oh my god theres a flame war!!!!! HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!!!" camp. and as soon as anyone starts the flame war, people jump into those camps. thats just the way things are. (or at least the way ive observed things to be in the past)

and if everything is, "gonna be the same after this conflict is done" then i REALLY dont see the point of having this conflict at all.. its useless. nothing will be accomplished..

if you are on a crusade, then i must tell you, in all honesty, that i think its fairly futile. not everyone in this comment room (you might be surprised) hates pistoff. there will be people who come to his defence. if all the admins decide to turf pissy out, then his friends will likely leave aswell. i, for one, dont think THAT is fair. you really WILL be destroying the comment room. when ANYONE threatens to leave the comment room, it is a tragedy. when doug and kit threatened to go, i was horribly upset. even if people DONT leave, i imagine there will be at least one who will take up pistoffs viewpoint, if only to thwart everyone else. so, really, though i do think it would be *GREAT* if noone flamed anyone else in here ever again.. i sadly dont think it will happen.

anyway, i hope you dont think im yelling. i dont yell much (except at inannimate objects.. like my ^(#^$*(&^ computer.. ) i generally try to be pretty laid back.
as for email addresses, i got a temporary email address with hotmail that doesnt have my real name on it so i can send messages to people and get them back and not endanger myself in the great, vastly dangerous landscape of the internet. if it gets clogged with junk and flames, i will just delete it and get another one. however, i have only ever recieved ONE flame, and after i responded, i got two other rather friendly emails back from that person.. so i dunno..
im sure it would be greatly appreciated if you would do something like that. i know, i know, it would be a REALLY BIG pain in the bum to have to get a temporary email address but i think it would be HIGHLY beneficial in this situation. or instant messaging? i dont know.
my job is to protect theis community to the best of my ability, and im trying. i might stink at it but at least i try.
please help me with this one, miller, i cant do it by myself..
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 02:52:38 PM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Wow, you miss a couple of days in the CR, and look at what happens! I'm particularly sore that another flame war, or the beginning of one anyway, has occurred and I'm not dead center in the middle of it. Perhaps I can rectify this situation.

Or maybe not. It would be fun to get involved in another flame war, but I won't, simply out of spite. Because it's this Miller person who wants the flame war this time, and I'm just going to be stubborn headed and I'm not going to let him have one. So how about that for frustration! Besides, these flame wars are tiring. It's all the same material anyway. The eternal conflict. The So-Called-Evil that is Pistoff vs. the So-Called-Perversion that is....well, we know who. A litany of names. The rivalry is still full of hilarity, but the big mega-flame wars are just tiring. In the end, those just degenerate into each side coming up with ways in which to call the other "asshole". And there's only so many ways to say it in the English language, folks!

Besides, it wouldn't be fair to Aaron or the lovely little lain to get them involved in such a deep flame war so early in their tenure as administrators. Wait until we've all sucked the life and spirit out of them with our petty bickering, then finish them off with the big one.
I'm kidding of course. But it wouldn't be fair.

I will say a few things to Miller, just for the record.

1. You are genuinely amusing. When I got to the part where you called it your "crusade" against Pistoff, I fell out of my chair laughing. I applaud you for keeping things lighthearted while dealing with such heavy subject matter.
2. Pistoff is not in this CR. At least, not regularly. He comes in to plug, basically, that's it. There's really no way for you to run off somebody who's not in here on a regular basis. My advice? Go ahead and claim victory, because I doubt that Pistoff will respond anymore to your ramblings. You got one easy provocation out of him, but I think that's his limit. Please don't perpetuate a flame war, sir. **pauses** Dear God, it feels odd to say that.
3. Remember, if you will, that in this conflict there are no innocents. Both sides have been particularly vicious. At least acknowledge that. I would ask you to please not insult the intelligence of those in here by claiming otherwise, but then again, not everything that has been said has been said in this room, so it may look as if Pistoff is the "evil" part of a "good / evil" equation, when that's not entirely the case. What am I blabbering on about? You probably understand, but if you don't....who cares. In the end, I don't suppose it really matters to anyone, except perhaps those involved. Or maybe not. Probably not, actually.
4. Are you SURE you're not Doug? I'm having my own difficulties deciding. Perhaps if you posted that you were not, followed by Doug posting saying that you were not, then Kit posting saying that you were not, and the only difference in the 3 posts would be a different color to the text, I would believe that was not the case.

That was just a little joke. I don't think you're Doug. I actually believe that you are Gus, the Walmart security guard turned rampaging stalker who died in prison, come back from the grave to wage a crusade for the good of the fandom.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 02:52:21 PM
IP: 66-44-55-2.s256.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

I was just going to let this slide and end quickly, but since it's apparent its not, I have to take some CR Admin authority here.

Pistoff- Your "attack" against Christine was unwaranted, tho honestly, I don't see much of an attack there, more an opinion about Jericho. But I'm not going to dwell much on reprimanding you, because I honestly don't see any reason to, and because there's something far more interesting to deal with.

"Miller"- I find you fascinating. I also find it highly fascinating that someone who has been a lurker until now comes up suddenly JUST to attack Pistoff and HIS writings, (Even though you've apparently read them in great depth since you seem to know the characters and stories pretty well) while posting annonymously. And very quickly after he posts too. ANd after the room has been wiped, so that the message is past and people have to work just a little bit more to check what Pistoff said. Not to mention, you seem to take the whole Pistoff thing quite personally. I also find it odd that you claim to have known both Doug and Kit since Elementary school... Which is quite a trick since Doug and Kit met five years ago and have never before mentioned that they had the same childhood friend.

I also find it pretty interesting that you, "Miller", made your first post annonymous and only announced your "actual" name after being caught, are posting in Doug's color, having Doug's exact opinion about Pistoff, are writing posts about the same length as Doug's when he defends himself, are posting while Doug happens to be busy for the last several weeks, refuse to give out your e-mail to even one person, even tho anyone can set up multiple e-mail accounts for specifically this sort of purpose, it only takes about thirty seconds to find a free e-mail carrier, and look at that... You have the same IP as the last IP address Doug/Kit used last week as "Da Movie Seer". Not just an Austin IP, but the SAME IP. Fascinating. I wonder, if I were to check an Austin phone book or directory, or call information, would I find you? (Hmm. I was in Austin just last week week going to and coming back from AKon... Perhaps I have such a book in my possession now...)

Something seems odd to me, but I won't bother saying what seems to me an obvious conclusions, I'll let everyone else come to their own.

In any event, if you two won't take it to e-mail, end this quickly. Near as I can tell, Pistoff was airing his opinion about Christine's work, not so much Christine, and "Miller" just came out and attacked him, rather than acting civil about it. "Miller" started the actual flaming, and I expect "Miller" to end it. Pistoff, it won't hurt for you to appologize, tho again, I really don't see any attack on your front, just an opinion about Jericho.
Robby
Sunday, June 10, 2001 02:13:51 PM
IP: ac9daa42.ipt.aol.com

Enters in a Flame Retardent suit

All right Chibi's get down in the Flame shelter. Theres ice cream, cookies, soda pop, bubble gum, anime on dvd and Playstation2::Waits until all the Chibis are in the hatch::Pest~kun get your hands of Deliah-chans tail!

whew thats over...

and another big whew , Found out that Eva articl was written on April 1 so it's most like the live action EVA was a big joke, but April fools jokes should be funny not, sick cruel and disturbing.

Still that president of WB needs a serious DC style death.

Miller>>>My face turned pink from what you typed. Could eas up on the cuss words, I know your mad at Pisstoff and all but fist introudcuing yourself on the CR in that fashion is not the smartest thing to do, and remember Pissy has a short fuse with his attitude don't ignite it any further, and I'm sure He wouldn't mind duking it out in another forum but you wont, you want to gripe at him in this forum...Like Lain says it isnt fair for the rest of us CR dwellers having to wade over this becuause you don't want to fight somwhere else.

Pissy>>Please try to hold back until we make this gy play by the rules

Lain>>>HUG! You did a good job trying to get Miller deal with his anger by e-mail

Beth>>HUG! Hold on girl I know you will pass the next one.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, June 10, 2001 01:12:35 PM
IP: user-37kaosr.dialup.mindspring.com

Alright, people, final passage for me. Tomorrow morning I will leave to Poland for a month or something more, so we'll see again at the half of July, I suppose...

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel:> <<I didn't know you guys had a king...>> Well, we did. Victor Emmanuel II. He eventually fired Mussolini at a certain time, but it was already 1943, and it was too late for anything. He eventually abandoned Italian army without orders after signing peace with the Allies, allowing the Germans to occupy Italy with little effort. <<...as far as I'm concerned you got what you deserved...>> Maybe. Although, seems to me you're quite quick in judging an historical situation you seem not to know as extensively as you believe.

Well, that's all, people. See you when I'm back. Take care of yourself, everyone!

<waves and exits>
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:42:49 AM
IP: h217-168-68.mi2.albacom.net

Denis: Hello. First, let me apologize- I'm not responding to anyone in here by email. I have it, yes, but I don't give out my address to people I don't know nor to people who have reason to dislike me. Several years of dealing with inboxes clogged up by flame messages and spam has taught me that's not a good idea. So I will not be taking anything to email in here. Besides, I consider it copping out. This is where the discussion has begun, this is where it needs to be resolved.

Secondly, thanks for the clarification on whose idea the nymphomania and violence was in Pistoff's fics. I applaud you for it, I too think the massacre scenes in Injustice For All were really great, I really enjoyed reading them. At no time have I damned them, that's not my purpose here. I was just reminding Pistoff that such things exist in his fics, and finding confusion with him lampooning another writer for including incest while willingly signing his byline to stories full of pedophilia, nymphomania, etc. I hope you get my point now. I never said the violence was gratuitous either, I know it isn't- I was merely reminding Pistoff that it exists since he seemed to have forgotten. As for Horny Corny and Purgie's sexual affiliations, well, it's good you're taking the blame for the actions of characters you created. At the same time, it's not you I'm calling to account here- it's Pistoff. He's the one who's unfairly lampooning other people in here.

Lain: Hi. Thank you for airing your concerns. Let me respond to them. I do not have a quarrel with Pistoff. At least I don't think I do. I'm just reminding him of what the truth is, if anybody's provoking a quarrel here, he's the one. He started this. Did I ever say to the entire room Christine and her fanfic was the reason Disney isn't putting Gargoyles back on the air? Did I call Christine a hypocrite? Did I call Doug a dipshit? Did I call anybody a brainless shit-tick and ask them to grow some balls? No, I didn't. Pistoff did. He started the conflict, not me. So why am I being yelled at over it? I'm simply trying to stand up for the people he's lampooning in a civil manner, is that not something to be supported? As for why I brought it into this forum, well, I didn't. Again, Pistoff started things. He didn't have to come in here and say the things he has. He could have just kept his mouth shut, all would have been fine. But he didn't. And now the conflict's in here, and no matter what anybody says, we need to resolve it in here. When some asshole walks into a place and starts insulting people for no good reason, should decent people just ignore him and let him go about his business? Should we let him ruin the atmosphere even in a small way? I say no. I say we should rightly call him to account for his words and if necessary tell him to shut up or get out- that is what I'm doing. My intention is not to split the CR, nor to draw people into a squabble they aren't part of- everyone in here is already a part of this squabble simply because Pistoff chose to air his stupid unfair hypocritical viewpoint in here. If you don't agree with me, then this community obviously doesn't mean the same thing to you it does to me. <grimace> Lain, you yourself admit you have not seen the last few big flame wars in here. Well, I have. And at the end of those wars, the room was not split, the room was not dead, people were and still are coming in here and enjoying themselves. It's gonna be the same after this conflict is done. In fact hopefully it will be better because we won't have to endure the presence of a jerk in the room anymore. Yes, that's my intention- to get Pistoff out of here, or at least get him to stop lampooning people. Does anyone think it is fair what he is doing? Does anyone in here support it? Honestly? If not, then why are you letting it continue? Why have you let it go on for so long? It must stop, and I am going to be the instigator of stopping it since it appears I need to be. If for this I must be damned, so be it. But I wish the one deserving of damnation would get his too.

Thank you also for your advice to Pistoff, who did start this flame war, like it or not. He's not just defending himself either, he's going beyond that and unfairly insulting people who are my friends and whose work I enjoy reading (note that I enjoy the work with his byline also, even though I hate him). This is not fair, nor should it be allowed to continue. It's threatened to damage the CR many times before now, many times it has damaged it. I'm sick and tired of it, and I will not stop my crusade against it until Pistoff stops his against Doug, Christine, and everyone else who disagrees with him and his view of things, or at least agrees to keep it out of here. Once I have accomplished my goal, I'll be glad to go back to lurking where I don't bug people nor am I bugged. I'm here for one reason and one reason only, you all should know it by now. Thank you.
Miller
Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:36:04 AM
IP: 1cust121.tnt1.austin2.tx.da.uu.net

Heya...

I feel rather reluctant posting here again - especially at a time like this when tensions run high again; but anyway I wanted to announce that I've finally, *finally* posted my first gargoyles fanfic... :-)

The title is "Names and Forms". You can find it at the fanfic archive - as an alternative I've also posted it to my own site (click my name!) at http://users.otenet.gr/~katsaris/forms.htm

Hope you like it. Feedback, be it negative or positive, is always welcome.

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
That I almost never post...
Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:16:16 AM
IP: athe530-o192.otenet.gr

woah woah woah!!
now there really IS a flame war brewing... yikes!

miller>> hello there... and wow, talk about a way to make an entrance.. eeeeeeeee... not the fashion *I* would have chosen..
now look, im not gonna try to sound all stuffy or anything but what you did by, "stepping out of the shadows to yell at a certain person" .. wasnt really appropriate.
this isnt because pistoff doesnt deserve to be yelled at. honestly, i have no idea what youre yelling at him for because i havent read his story.. and i wasnt here for the other gargantuan flame war.. so i really dont know if he deserves yelling or not. that really isnt the point.
the point IS that by coming in here and yelling, you have already drawn others into a squabble which is between you and pistoff. and that is completely unnecessary and has the potential to cause (yet again) a split in the posters in the comment room. and THAT is really REALLY unhealthy.
if you are a lurker like you say, you must KNOW that we DO NOT need another flame war in here!
already pistoff, josh, denis and i are involved, and there will likely be more to come.
that is NOT fair.
if you have a quarrel with pistoff, that is fine. but please refrain from bringing it into THIS forum.
thank you.

pistoff>> like i said, i dont know if you deserve yelling or not cos i havent read your story yet. and that isnt the point. anyway, what i said to miller applies to you, too. i know, i know, you could claim "well HE started it" but i dont want to get into THAT sort of argument..
anyway, of course you have the right to defend yourself, and please feel free to do so - BUT DO IT IN PRIVATE! NOT in the comment room!
in the long run, you might not get blamed for STARTING this flame war.. but you BOTH surely WILL be blamed for continuing the fight.

as they say, "please boys, take it outside.." im sure we would all appreciate that.

thankyou
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:07:53 AM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Miller> hello. Even though Pistoff and I are no longuer friends, I must take his defense on some of the points you've raised. On the nymphania, I'm the one who started it. At least for Horny Corny. When I created Purgie, my thought was going to pair her with Jason Canmore. As for the violence, especially the Ward Island Massacre, I'm the one who's fully to blame here. I came up with the idea, and Pistoff was quite relucant to have the scene done in such details, but I insisted, and insisted to him to not censor it. The violence wasn't gratuitous, but served the purpose, to show the extend of what the Swordies were ready to go. Especially Russell's troops Personnally, I loved the scene, and worked hard on it. Beside, I've a project for a fanfic in the style of Clorkwork Orange. useless to say, it'll be NC-17.

gotta go for now. if you want to reply me, please do it by email

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 05:56:34 AM
IP: adsl-36006.turboline.skynet.be

First, to everyone- I am sorry to do this. I feel I have to, now that I finally have the time and opportunity. I am doing it on behalf of two dear friends and a bunch of other people who are surely as angry and fed up with as I am with the asshole to whom I am ranting. Before I've just been a lurker in here, I've been content with that. Now I'm only stepping out of the shadows to yell at a certain person and show him the truth to which he is apparently blind. If I'm going to be universally damned and banned from the room for this, so be it. I just hope the person who deserves that punishment will get it too. Now to business...

Pistoff: Allow me to introduce myself. I am Thomas Powell Miller, from the slums of Galveston. Freelance DJ by trade and self-proclaimed electronics engineer extraordinaire. I didn't think it mattered who I was before, that's why I chose to be anonymous. Not because I'm a coward, as you proclaimed- I'm far from a coward, as this post should prove. Are you a coward because you hide behind an alias while you're online? I don't think so, I didn't choose to call attention to the possibility that you might be before now. <shrugs> You did it first.

I applaud your powers of IP deduction. I am indeed using an IP in the Austin area. I live in Creedmoor, a small town just south of Austin. Almost a suburb. I'm not the guy you thought I was, but I can't blame you for thinking that I was- I know you and he have had your troubles before. He's a good friend of mine, so's his girl, I've known them both on and off since elementary school. While I would agree with you that Doug is a compulsive liar- he likes spinning yarns and getting people to believe them a lot more than anybody else I've ever known, Kit does too- I don't think he's a dipshit. You wouldn't either if you really knew him and if you were a decent human being, which juding by your posts and attitude in here I don't think you are. But then again, who's to say what a decent human being is? Many say I am not one, I suspect you've already joined their ranks. Usually such people are not folks about whose opinions I care, you're no exception. I must also add that I believe I am a decent human being most of the time, but never to people who insult me and my friends as you have. I may be little (I'm only 5'2"), but I am not brainless or a shit-tick, and if you had called me that when we were standing together in the same room you would probably be in the hospital right now. Not a threat, just a fact.

Now to the meat of my post. You asked me to tell you where in your stories depraved psychotic violence and pedophilia occur. Since I'm a frequent reader and big fan of your stories (though not particularly of you), I can and will do that. Let's start with the pedophilia. You have a character in your stories named Otto Fellatio. He's 13 years old, a major pervert, and extremely sexually depraved. He's having frequent raunchy sex with a woman old enough to be his grandmother. If that ain't pedophilia, Pisty Boy, I don't know what is. That ain't the only kind of depraved sexual stuff in your stories either. There's also BDSM (Castaway and Marishi, or whatever her name is, I can't remember), group sex (Jack and his harem), nymphomania (Rocky, Horny Corny, Otto, other characters too plentiful for me to remember all their names), and so many fetishes that to list and describe even half of them would stretch the bounds of this room's loading capability not to mention everyone's sense of common decency. There's no incest, yeah, but beside all that I just mentioned it seems a small thing, does it not? As for the violence, well, I'll just name the most flagrant example- in your story Injustice For All, you have a bloody massacre of several dozen innocent partygoers followed by an equally bloody massacre of the first massacre's perps a few dozen pages later. You say it's only just as much violence as in Arnie and Sly movies, and in my pal Doug's fics. You may be right, however I too have experienced those mediums and I think the styles are far different. In your stories you always describe bullets striking body parts, blood splattering all over the place, organs being ripped out, etc. In the other mediums you named, it's almost always just bang/slash/boom/whatever, the guy is dead. No need to describe blood going everywhere; no need to kill them in a horrible way like say, throwing them into a helicopter's chopping rotor or ripping their spine out; no need to show the killer taking joy in the killing either. You have all of that in your fics, in Injustice For All especially. Not only that, you have characters committing the violent acts whom it stretches the limits of disbelief to believe would committ those acts. Can anybody in here actually see Elisa Maza taking pleasure in shoving a suspect into a helicopter's chopping rotors and making a bad joke about it instead of just knocking them out and arresting them? I know I can't, yet in your fics she does exactly that. Not that it lessened the enjoyment of the fic at all, mind you, it didn't for me- I was rah-rahing bigtime. Still, it is a little hard to accept for the seasoned Gargoyles fan. You don't see anything like that in Doug's work, or Christine's.

If you don't believe me about this, Pisty Boy, you obviously don't read your own work. Which I find hard to accept, as you are the one writing it. I hope you'll understand now why I, someone who has read and enjoyed the work of the two writers you choose to lampoon as well as your own, finds it strange that you are lampooning said writers over things like incest and violence when you have equally deplorable things in your stories. Some would say even more deplorable things. Not only that, you are making such comments in an uncalled-for unfair fashion. Christine has never once had a harsh word for you that I can recall and as for Doug, well, his main fault that you have a problem with is that he doesn't flat out agree with and support your viewpoint on things. Frankly, buddy, I can not see any reason why any decent and relatively sane person would support it. <shrugs> Maybe that's just me. Anyway, for that one little difference of opinion, you damn Doug and flame him- all because he wishes to stand up for people more decent than you rather than you yourself. People whom you are clearly jealous of, as you seem to have the need to constantly refer to what you see as their faults while arrogantly laughing about how you are so great and practically perfect in every way. <rolls eyes dramatically> At least the people you damn have the guts to be humble.

Ok, I've said my piece now. I doubt you listened, but at least I tried to get the truth across to you. That's what counts as far as I'm concerned. Respond to me how you will, I can take whatever consequences come my way. Good night.
Miller
Sunday, June 10, 2001 03:10:05 AM
IP: 2cust248.tnt1.austin2.tx.da.uu.net

Hi everyone! I'm alive. Been sick. Car trouble. Bills. Deadlines on school assignments. Just the same old stuff eating up all my time.

Now on to business... :)


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Lady Mystic - [<--- TGS CR ARCHIVE UPDATE !!!]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Sunday, June 10, 2001 03:01:26 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Warpmind> <<whether the emphasis was on the word "my" or the word "flesh", I'll leave to your filthy mind>>: It could be on both.
<<I keep drooling over the one from Grim Fandango>>: Is it that much better than the Magus's?
<<As for the tazer tips - thanks>>: It probably won't work. this is just pure theory, and I haven't a clue about what they really do in tazers, or what are the best voltage/capacitor/etc. settings to use.
<<All I need now is an old TV>>: You might be able to find one in a junkyard. And if you do crack one open, use a large insulated wire to short the capacitor first.

Imzadi> <<No one ELSE will miss your singing in the shower, though>>: Most likely. Oddly enough, I don't actually sing in the shower. Usually, I just accompany recordings, or walking places.

Shadowrider> <<what means "GLOMP"?>>: It's a secret Joketsuzoku technique. You attempt to initiate a chemical reaction by pressure alone.
<<Check your email>>: Got it. Will try to listen to it tomorrow, and if I like it, it'll go up (as usual).

Fire Storm> <<It's pretty dead here at work so I decided to catch up in here>>: Woot.
<<Shall I bring in a weapons discussion on the power requirements of near-future space weaponry?>>: Why the heck not?
<<It would last me 30 hours!>>: Yes, but various frictions are also eating at it.
<<I keep typing ls in the DOS prompt on my Win2K box>>: How are you doing with slash directon?
<<There is no spoon>>: Just try telling that to the Tick.
<<Only WOMEN think about sex!>>: Ergo, men don't think? Can't really argue.
<<Cheat/Equasion sheets rule>>: Heck yeah. I have three and a half or so years of physics on an 8.5x11, and most of it is centered on a 3x5 I taped into the sheet.
<<I made a sheet of the molecular makeup of some nice molecules>>: I challenge you to add a bucky by hand. Alchemy makes it too easy. They even include it with the sample molecules (as well as teh ones you mentioned). Did you have any non organics on your sheet?

DPH> <<Has anyone heard of a disorder where the brain works too fast?>>: See: http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/m/millilampson.html

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, June 10, 2001 02:08:40 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

Well, after getting back from the hair dude, i've come to the conclusion that I am one sexy b*tch. All women want me. Those that say they don't actually do, they just don't know it yet.

Off to rocky after my tech support shift finishes.

Shadowrider: I saw the post, I just didn't have anything witty/interesting to say in response. I didn't know you guys had a king, I was under the impression that Mussolini was the guy in charge. As for paying for your mistakes, as far as I'm concerned you got what you deserved. Only the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki "paid a high price" for their involvement.

Beth: Let me say it again: TAKE A CHILL PILL. An F isn't the end of the world. Its failure, as someone pointed out, that drives to do better. You won't have to repeat the twelfth grade. Have a bit of faith and confidence.

FS: YOU"RE ALIVE! YES! I was worried I wouldn't have anyone to talk to about things like DLD's and exo-suits. <<EVERY SINGLE FRIGGING THING was critical!>>: Murphy's law of cars. <<just wish he let me cash a few paychecks first>>: Murphy's law of check clearing 8-). <<AND I can't watch TV or talk to LM!>>: There's your answer. While I'm working, I'm at home, so I can watch TV and talk to LM. Er... <<besides everyone?>>: Apparently, the average american idiot has more insight than the massive computer hardware companies. <<Shall I bring in a weapons discussion on the power requirements of near-future space weaponry?>>: YES PLEASE! <<you would HATE my neighbors!>>: Not for long. That's what turrets are for 8-). <<But it would make one helluva backup power system!>>: No. Friction of a spinning wheel would lose energy and you'd have to keep pumping energy into it to keep it spinning. Unless you've discovered the secret of perpetual motion. If you have, give me a call. <<And move in L shapes>>: True dat. <<I am actually a mouse in a robot suit!>>: Don't worry, I'm not surprised. <<But it's MICROSOFT!>>: Yeah, but in a windows environment, you can't argue that there is a better browser. <<I thought...proved that>>: Amen! <<There is no spoon>>: Tell that to my silverware drawer. <<Only WOMEN think about sex!>>: But everyone thinks about penises. <<I just wanted that many!>>: I don't ask for much, just a burner and a DVD-ROM drive. <<make the scythe electrified>>: Fun fun. <<molecular makeup of some nice molecules>>: Make it a PDF and post it! I want! <<I need a biger hard drive!>>: What on earth for? You've got 25 gigs of PSL! <<hunting naked while armed only with a ping-pong paddle>>: I'll pass, as fun as it sounds.

Yooper: <<three generations of idiots is enough.>>: AMEN! <<death by explosive>>: That would be far less...shocking ;-)

DPH: <<where the brain works too fast?>>: Yeah, its called addiction to speed. <<started making movies out of Native American legends?>>: They did. Its called Gargoyles. <<about genetics vs environment>>: Who cares? No IQ, no kids. Its not about reproducing idiots, its about raising the children you have.

Pistoff: You're back too! Yes! <<I just find the whole thing to be ridiculous>>: I did too. <<for the next minute or two, rather. There'll be more later>>: I'm beginning to wonder if you and SJ had a child and his name is ME. <<writing>>: Bummer dude. Better luck in the future.

Anonymous: Please don't provoke pistoff. The last thing we need in here is another flame war, much as I like seeing him respond to you.

We secretly switched our professor's water with ether in a thermal conductivity experiment. Let's see if he notices.
-Mike Margolis, Physics 7B

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Sunday, June 10, 2001 01:53:38 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-212.nhwd02.pacbell.net

NEIN!

Real post to follow
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [josh@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Sunday, June 10, 2001 01:17:34 AM
IP: ppp-206-170-217-212.nhwd02.pacbell.net

8th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, June 10, 2001 01:17:15 AM
IP: proxy3-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com

About time...

Seventh!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:57:47 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Anonymous: Well, well. First of all, I can already tell that I'm dealing with a coward because you won't identify yourself. Second, this stuff about "depraved psychotic violence" and "pedophelia"...I just have to wonder, where in my fics do such things occur? None of them have been any more violent than the typical Schwarzeneggar or Stallone movie--and most of my stories have far less violence than that. As for the "pedophilia"...that one boggles my mind. I don't "glorify" anything of the sort.

But then, from your IP address, it looks like you're in Austin. I know of one guy who lives there who's a complete dipshit and a compulsive liar. And if you're who I think you are, I've read some of your own fics, and those were a hell of a lot more violent than any of mine.

Not that it matters. Someone who is so gutless that he doesn't even attach his name to his posts when he attacks somebody has no credibility at all. Especially when you defend the incest thing and then make up lies to attack my own stories. And if you're gonna take anonymous potshots at somebody, at least have brains enough to use a proxy server so your target can't figure out who you are. But better yet, just grow some balls and put your name on your personal attacks, you brainless little shit-tick.
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:51:12 AM
IP: ip-216-104-69-229.uci.net

FIFTH!!!!!!!
(or at least that was the last thing i saw before trying to load the comment-add page...........)
lain
Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:40:56 AM
IP: cfa1.execulink.net

Fourth!
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:22:33 AM
IP: mqt2-pm3-28.dial.up.net

Pistoff: At least Christine doesn't glorify depraved psychotic violence and pedophilia. Unlike the guy who you should have trouble looking at in the mirror.
Anonymous
Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:08:02 AM
IP: 1cust217.tnt1.austin2.tx.da.uu.net

Ack! Dammit!

Fine, Second!
Siofra - [Siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:07:47 AM
IP: dialup-63.212.151.176.dial1.detroit1.level3.net

Wheeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

#1

: )

Siofra - [Siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:06:33 AM
IP: dialup-63.212.151.176.dial1.detroit1.level3.net

First!

Maybe second...
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:06:06 AM
IP: d4ixk.odecpe.cableone.net