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Hee hee hee...I just had the second-longest "bus trip home from Kung Fu class" ever. this one was just over three and a half hours. (The longest was the one during the ice-storm, where I had to wait about six hours for my dad to come pick me up from the last stop because the buses stopped running in the middle of my trip, That fun escapade also involved over a mile's walk to get back to the car, 'cause due to the ice, he could only get that close.) It rained. Oh, gods, did it rain. I didn't get quite completely soaked, thanks to my forsight to ask for a trailer-trash poncho- I mean garbage bag- from my school before I left.
#mini-rant#
and, okay, so I went to the little gas station food place across the stereet from my stop first, and they didn't have any chocolate zingers! What is the world coming to?? No chocolate zingers at all! Not even an empty place for chocoolate zingers to be!. There was nothing. (An empty place for chocolate zingers would be something; instead there was NOTHING.) Will this madness never cease? *sniff*
...so, I had to get my attempt at a chocolate fix from a king-sized snickers bar. *siiigh* It didn't quite work. *shrug*
#end mini-rant#

lain: Yaaay!! I'm glad you like it. (I only hope I get as energetic a response from Aaron with that Death scene.)I'm gonna have to fix up that other scene and send it to you later. ooh! I know- for now I can just send you the "recap" bit I pulled together for Aingeal. It covers a lot of old ground, but contains new written material. *wags tail*

college countdown: ten days
other scary number countdown: one month and one day.
*Slips out*
Lynati "Yaay! Siofra emailed me!!" Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Saturday, August 11, 2001 05:52:45 PM
IP: 207.226.219.82

Do'h! I mean "I have GOOD news!" I wish I caught that.
Tim
Saturday, August 11, 2001 05:22:32 PM
IP: 207.177.117.15

Home again, home again, Jiggidy Jig!

I'm back! And I'm glad that my favorite comment room has not exploded over piddling romantic rivalies and combative egos... yet.

Sorry that I have not posted for a few weeks. I have been busy at work.

I have Goog News! This tuesday, I'm taking MEPs in Omaha for U.S. Marine Corps Enlistment! If all goes well, I'll be headed to San Diego for Basic Training in January.

I've also recently expanded my private arsenal. I purchased two Mauser 98k Karbriners a couple weeks ago. One is a WWII German infantryman rifle that's in good shape except some of the rifling at the breach has been worn out. I plan to personalixe it by fitting it with a new sporting barrel and a scope. The other one is a post-WWII Yugoslavian sniper rifle that I'm keeping as a collector. They both pack a punch, especially when you contrast the .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm NATO) with the 8mm Mauser (7.92x57mm).

That all for right now. I'll be back in a couple of days.
Tim Phipps
Saturday, August 11, 2001 05:20:29 PM
IP: 207.177.117.15

Sorry about the 2x post but I forgot.

Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones!? What? (Looks around for help and understanding) What about "The Clone War" or may something like "Dark Times" perhaps that's just off the top of my head. I mean the entire world must have said a collective "HUH?" When that was put out. Oh I get it, they focused so much of their imaginations on making the movie that they didn't have enough left for the title. Yes that must be it.

Later.
jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Saturday, August 11, 2001 05:00:32 PM
IP: 210.91.100.8

You time is supposed to go by faster when you're busy; SO WHY IS IT SO SLOW!!!!!! I just feel like I'm ready to get out of here that's all. Anyway, I'm thinking of making a appointment to get my back checked out. It's been hurting me off and on for about two weeks. I JUST TURNED 22 AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BAD BACK YET!!!!!
That being said I've gotta go get ready for tomorrow.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden12]
Saturday, August 11, 2001 04:55:24 PM
IP: 210.91.100.8

Avalon Mists > just a cheery reminder, the deadline for the Fall issue is Friday the 24th. Send fics, pics, filks, poems, articles, essays, and the like to me at christine@sabledrake.com

Kit > good to hear from you. I will be looking forward to your feedback on Archmage!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, August 11, 2001 04:46:39 PM
IP: 09-025.075.popsite.net

** Niamhgold enters **

Hey! Well, it finally cooled off here to a nice 80 degrees ;) Why, it's positively fall-like around here! Nothing much going on...had a half day yesterday, went shopping today, looking at new printers, etc., etc.

Therefore, it's straight on to the replies!

Shadowrider: Welcome back again! I should be online later tonight. If I'm not, then it's because snaggle-toothed elves stole me away from my home ;) I don't know about approximate timing...I'm going to the beach around five, and I don't know what time I'll be back at...probably later. Hope to catch ya! :)

DPH: <As long as I have a full-time job and vacation time, it's G2K+2 or bust for me> Great. No busts for you ;)

Josh: <After sitting on hold listening to REALLY bad music...> You know that's stuff is loaded with subliminal messages. "You WILL buy from Apple, you WILL buy from Apple". <Well, Microsoft is a by-the-book Monopoly and Bill Gates is a by-the-book bastard. There’s still hope!> That reminds me...I saw a book today, just a basic dictionary...Microsoft's Encarta World Dictionary. Same stuff as in Webster's, etc., but it was marked down to a wonderful $0.99. Still didn't even think of buying it ;) <Looks like you’re on top! ;-)> Hmm, now why does that sound familiar? <yet we are hurt when someone close to us dies, even if we believe that person is in a better place> Are you suggesting that people who are religious have no right/shouldn't be sad, and only aetheists can be sad? <Who says that sadness displeases God? Maybe God is a sadist. Who knows? Have you been to heaven? So how do you know if you can be sad there or not> Sounds like my kind of heaven. People are always telling me that I'm not really happy unless I'm miserable ;) <Its all faith> I can fully understand that you don't believe in a particular god, or any faith at all. But do you look down on those that just have an overall faith in, well, _life_? I guess it's whatever floats your boat. <Don’t relate to me. I bite> All bark and all bite...I'll be sure to keep my distance ;) <<<then i started wondering if time was really linear like humans think it is.. or is it a loop? or loops within loops.. and then my head hurt and i went back to watching>>: Star Trek would have been better for this. Or Gargoyles ;-)> Time loops, time loops! That's how I learned to tie my shoelaces ;) Xanatopia. Or the Eyrie Pyramid, one or the other ;) Better than being stuck in a hell where Jar-Jar reigns supreme ;) <98% of girls are horribly afraid of their bodies, despite the fact that men don’t date girls they don’t find attractive> Okay...well, what do you tell her if she's never dated anyone (yet)? ;) <It almost makes the Love Triangle not worth the time to describe, doesn’t it?> Or the Bermuda Triangle. <Okay, now THIS is interesting: my tower has actually gone BACKWARDS in the shipping process> Heh, once again...skcus tahT <Next on Sick, Sad World!> Toilet-trashing squirrels and store-bought peanuts... <If SJ can have 4 kids and still look as good as you> Now I'd like to see SJ "have" kids, period ;) <What happened to “The Man”?> Well, I'm trying our inside joke this time around... <Despite their best efforts, a drug has been created that makes women attracted to me> Bwhahahaha <What’s his name, you sly dog ;-))> No, _shifty-eyed_ dog, if you haven't been listening ;) <Nope, I’m white as ever ;-)> Ah, someone I can sympathize with...all those days in the sun and I think I noticed a bit of a tope hue... ;) <Oh that just offers too many opportunities.> And you didn't take one?!? <What if Demona was a world away and it was televised and MacBeth watched it. Would it hurt him?> Maybe it depends more on if it was televised live or not. Course, MacBeth would be *wishing* he could feel her, uh, pain ;) <Ya know, for an artist, you’re eerily similar to me> Creepy. I'm going to take the other tests and see what I score. No, not IF I score ;) <Who will I email back and forth for pages at a time?> "I am sorry, your email cannot be processed at this time. Please try again later" ;) Naw, I'll try to be better at it this year. For one thing, I'll have my own room, which means I won't have to keep "quiet" for my roommate. Yeah, but Brooklyn has a real temper. I'm more of an elf fan, myself ;) <It’s your subtraction skills that make you the artist that you are.> D@mmit. <<<it would be worse to be the Fear no Liath>>: Huh?> Oops, meant to say the Fear Liath More. It's a name for the Grey Man, an abominable snowman-type character from the Cairngorn Mts in Scotland. (I'm working on my book of bestiary at the moment, if you're wondering how all this stuff is fresh on tap ;)) <The scenery shots or the model shots?> Both. I put one three scenery shots in (two at the corners, one in the middle), and meshed them with surrounding model pics. The result is this interesting interior/exterior wallpaper. <Sorry, I was thinking of better things to do with butterscotch and chocolate syrup than putting them on ice cream…> Double Dare Challenge. <Which is why I’m not giving you any power ;-)> Under your rule, I have I feeling I'd either be dead or zapped to the brainpower of a squirrel. Cuz, frankly, you wouldn't rule long with me sneaking around... ;) <Are you sure there isn’t any engineer in you?> I really don't know. Of course, I don't have all the knowledge necessary to back up my theories, even if I know that my theories are on par. Are you sure you don't have any artist? I will spare you my theory on how I figure scientists are artists, too. ;) <30 days, 90 months…same thing! ;-)> Heh, not for _this_ girl! ;) <and has a keen grasp of just how much soap one could actually make…> Pun intended. <Yeah, it hurts when you break up> God d@mn!

Siofra: <It's the body...and the voice... ;-)> Ah, thanks. Actually, people have been nicer to me about the Brooklyn thing than I thought! :) I'd probably go for Thailog, though, myself :) Maniacal laughs are very cool.

Lady Mystic: <Interesting story> Indeed. Put my wish to shame. I've stopped making those selfish wishes since then ;)

Firestorm: <Getting a Human to look real isn’t> But she's one of Oberon's children! ;) <The only thing of any quality in that mag IS the articles.> I'm glad some guys think that. <Warpmind/Imzadi: The 5 elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water, LeeLoo ;)> :: Chuckles :: And to think she's now doing Loreal commercials...

Five elements : In alchemy and Feng Shui, there are five elements - Fire, Wood, Water, Metal, Earth. In other circles (mainly Vedic), there are the four. And in chemistry, there are, of course, 110 ;)

Jan: <Some landlords are notorious for not returning deposits (always makes excuses and finds fault with the renters) and I don't know the "history" of this guy> Ugh, the deposit dilemma. I have problems especially with damage deposits. If there's no damage, how come they keep it? I must be in the wrong neighborhood ;) <I'm tired of living like a transit.> My college life in a nutshell!

All for now!
Adios!

Niamhgold
Saturday, August 11, 2001 03:57:46 PM
IP: lac-flex85.ncia.net

josh!!!!!!>> i lost your phone number!!!!! but the bus stops at 610 bay st, on the elizabeth st side.. ill be there at 10:50am, okay?? okay.. if thats not okay, then.. i dunno.. but be there or ill be lonely and sad!
love you!
*lain shuts up and goes to work!!*
SORRY!!!!!!!!! LAIN AGAIN!!!!
Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:40:39 PM
IP: 198.96.83.74

lynati>> i just got your email.. that is the BEST SCENE EVER!!!!!! BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! poooor lex.. tee hee!!! i dont have time to write a response cos i have to go to work again but.. that was GREAT... : D
LOVE YOU!!!!!
lain
Saturday, August 11, 2001 11:56:19 AM
IP: 198.96.83.111

bill schaub>> welcome to the CR! yes, TGS is still being written for. its in "the works" right now, with planning and writing and all that kind of stuff. i have no idea when the episodes will be ready for release, maybe greg b knows? greg?? *poke poke* do you know?
anyway, there WILL be more coming out, and it is being worked upon, probably even as we speak ; )

sj and pissy>> okay.. enough with the doug and kit bashing? if they want to be here, then that is fine - especially considering the number of people who stated they were glad to see doug and kit back - and i think it would be awfully selfish of you to try to boot them out when other people want to talk to them. if you dont like it, then that is puuuuuurfectly fine and it shouldnt be too much skin off your nose to just ignore them, should it? ..at the risk of sounding like a hippie, LETS JUST ALL GET ALOOOOONG!!!! okay? i really dont want to have to put on my mean admin face.. *grrrrrr* see? it doesnt work anyways.. *grrrRRRRRRRrrr*.. nope..
do i still get points for effort?

pissy>> please.. try harder to resist?? huh?? pleeeeease?? if i make sad puppy-eyes at you, will you try??

david g>> WARNING WARNING!!!!!! DAVID G IS REALLY GUNJACK IN DISGUISE... OR VICE-VERSA!!!!! observe the "justice and forgiveness" speech, which is almost EXACTLY the same as what gunjack said to me on the phone last night.. (yike.. and theyre even both from texas.. wow..) okay.. new CR rule: everyone should stop pretending to be everyone else!!!!! its tooooo confusing!!!!! ; )
just kidding david, i still love you ; )
the other day i went home and checked and it actually WAS luke 11.. im a really BAAAD atheist if i can quote the bible from memory..
i like that antitheist, though. that would be my dad. he claims to not believe in GOD but he gets soooo angry with GOD that i wonder what he is angry with if he doesnt believe.. ive given up on being angry with GOD, or the concept of GOD or whatever. so i still claim to be an atheist.

(okay the guy next to me is being a reaaaaaal kinda wierd guy.. he just started talking to me, out of the blue.. first about how he was in vietnam (he showed me his war wounds) and then about how the eeeevil chinese are infiltrating the country and theyre all drug dealers and pimps etc and theyre ruining this country and making us all into commies, and then we talked about how corrupt our police force is, and how theyre all working for the chinese.. i argued back, and he said the chinese would take my job cos everyone thinks the chinese are smarter when they really arent. etc etc. it was an interesting conversation. i told him i was an art student, and he said i was "into all that art stuff and probably didnt see all the legal stuff" so i told him i WANTED to be in criminology and he changed his tune.. funny guy.. he thinks im "on the right track" with my life cos i am apparently honest (how does HE know? oh.. riiight.. im not chinese..) i dont really get that. then he claimed "im not prejudiced or racist or anything, dont get me wrong" i kinda blinked and listened, and argued that all the criminals in the universe dont come from china and the prostitution of 17 year old asian girls was partly OUR fault cos if there wasnt a market for it, they wouldnt be here in the first place. then he stopped talking to me..)

aaaanyway.. sorry for the interruption.. where was i? oh.. right.. not being angry with GOD or the concept of GOD anymore. hear that moochie? good..

back to david g>> no, im not going into a capital punnishment debate, i even avoided it last night with moochie. but i dont think its necessarily your "duty as a Christian" to forgive. im not a christian, and *I* forgive. the guy who assaulted me last year took me out to a movie the other day, and i talk to him on the phone and hang out with him sometimes. that doesnt mean im stupid and i will let what happened happen again, i take precautions and set firm limits but i can be around him, even after what happened. am i downplaying what happened, letting him think it was ok? no, i dont think that i am, and i dont think HE would say that either. but i didnt forgive him cos im a christian, cos im not..
(unless of course, im a CLOSET christian.. but we can make fun of me over that, later, ok?) ; )
*hugs david*

sj>> you want to look at me with a feral glint in your eye? be prepared for me to go into shock and stare numbly into space for a little while.. cos it wont go over too well. yes, i have issues with intimacy. gunjack gave me therapy last night.. (dont ask.. ill turn beautiful shades of purple again..)
re: spellcasting.. you think ONLY 99.9% of it is crap? ONLY?! *stops self before she gets started* i think more than 99.9% of ANY kind of ritual is crap.. i suppose just as long as you realize your ritual isnt going to do anything in the great, grand cosmic scheme of things then.. go ahead, do it. eat your GOD tomorrow, burn your insense, do your chants or whatever. its all placebo to me. (sorry if i offended anyone just then. ive watched waaaaay too many wiccans in my time and thats my OPINION.. ie you can ignore it and think im a crazy non-spiritual psycho if you want. i think youd be wrong, but i dont think individuals can gain power through ritual.)
awwwww... gunjack wonders about exceptions, too. i havent really thought about it, and it isnt something that goes in the back of my brain and says "oh well, i dont have to believe in GOD but if i live well, ill go to heaven anyways so i can just not bother thinking about it. that would be kinda silly.. )

jannie>> thanks for your small vote of confidence : )

kit>> thanks for your encouragement : ) dad and i are still having.. some "issues" but hes gone to FRANCE with his girlfriend for "a few days" (aka TWO WEEKS) so i dont have to worry too much. i can go visit josh in TO with no worries!!! WOOHOO!!!! : )

josh>> yes, i will be around on sunday. i am hoping to get on the but that will get me to toronto around 10:50 am, isat okay? okay.. ill call you tonight to tell you which bus station it is.. and.. will you have a rose in your teeth or something or how will i recognize you? you just have to look for the reddy-blondish hot chick in the crushed velvet shirt with black wrist supports getting off the bus.. think you can handle that? should i wear a big sign that says "LAIN" or something? just kidding.. ; )

love you all!!
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Saturday, August 11, 2001 11:52:15 AM
IP: 198.96.83.111

*Warpmind enters.*
Hullo, everyone.

Christine: "Antagonistic"... I like. };)

Dreamie: Why on earth do you want to use a weapon against me, anyway??? (I've lost track...)

FS: No clue yet... as for what the 6 are, I am inclined to assume they're not particularly explicit or kinky, just embarassing...

Josh: Where Greg worshippers go when they die? Well, to make things come full circle, I'd say Star Trek conventions... };)

That about sums it up. My parents just came home from vacation now, so I'm being pried loose from the computer. (Well, not *entirely* accurately described, but mom IS persistant...)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, August 11, 2001 11:42:20 AM
IP: mp-217-216-179.daxnet.no

Josh> <<. We worship a god because we’re AFRAID of it or the consequences.>> I never said that I was afraid. I simply stated what the consequences were. That is certainly not the only reason why I worship God. Hell was only mentioned because it was the topic.
<<Being Christian is YOUR way of hedging your bets. Very…um…LAME>> no, I didn't say that either. I said that if I'm right, I'm sitting in the better seat than you are and my chances are increased over yours in getting into Heaven.
<<you’ve lost a lot of Sunday mornings that you could have been sleeping, not to mention all the debauchery that you might have avoided because of your religion. >> church begins at 11am - I'm always up no later than 8:30 am anyway, so I haven't lost any sleep. What am I missing out on because of my religion? Things that I don't necessarily want to do anyway? Things that goes against my morals? I don't go for all of the tedious rules, regulations, etc of certain religions... men should wear beards, women never cut their hair, no opened toe shoes, can't eat red meat on Fridays, etc. Instead I try to live a good life and include God in it.
<<thank god!>> why are you thanking God if you don't believe in Him?
>> I wasn’t aware that there were “district colleges”. >> Junior and community colleges are funded by both state and districts. The boundaries for the district are usually the same as the school districts (elementary, jr high and high school) He'll attend either Southwest Missouri State University in Springfield or Rolla University (specializes in engineering) next year. No out of state college/university.
<<If I listened to other people, I’d still be…nevermind>> once again, I didn't say that it was impossible.
geesh, I love it how ya'll take one sentence and dwell on that - even though I clarified/expanded it in the following sentence.
Why am I getting the 3rd degree on the topic and yet you are patting David on the back? I have agreed with everything that David has posted and even said that.

Kit> <<You obviously have never met my parents, or you would believe that despite widely different religious beliefs people can be in love and remain together without conversion (though I can't say there weren't attempts by both Mom and Dad on the other over the years>> a.) I didn't say widely different religious beliefs, I said a christian and an atheist and b.) you confirmed what I said admitting that your have made attempts of converting each other over the years. Religious belief is strong, just as athiest are strong in their belief - I have my doubts that a couple could withstand the temptation of trying to convert each other to their beliefs. Maybe in subtle ways throughout the years, but each will try to prove that they are correct and would want the other to admit it... that in itself is a form of conversion.

Thanks for the suggestions on the rent dilemma. There is no rental agreement per say... just a very simple standard form saying that the rent is due on the 1st of the month, blah blah blah. (small town ethics)
I know what a deposit is technically for, but that doesn't mean that they return it even if the apartment is in the same condition as when I moved in. Some landlords are notorious for not returning deposits (always makes excuses and finds fault with the renters) and I don't know the "history" of this guy. He's fairly new to the area and my dad doesn't know him. (My dad is a slumlord himself.) So I have no idea if he will give back the deposit willingly or if I'd have to take him to small claims court. Dad said that most landlords around here won't give back the deposits but would if they were sued for it. They take the chance that most people wouldn't go that far to get back their money... I will, though. (unless I decide not to pay the rent this month)

I went "window shopping" yesterday for the things that I want/need for the house. I ended up buying a side-by-side fridge. *L* It was on sale! ;P I didn't think that I wanted a side-by-side, but this one is huge on the inside :) and it was $300 off the regular price. I also found the kitchen carpet that I want, but will have to wait until I can get into the house to measure the floor space. The current residents will be moving out on the 18th and then I'm going to be allowed to go in and do my remodeling before moving furniture and stuff in. I can actually take possession of the house around the end of the first week of September (when my funding arrives).... paying cash for the house. I'm anxious and soooo ready to move into the house! I'm tired of living like a transit.

Spike> I kept forgetting earlier to say congrats!! That's quite an honor!! I wish I could be there to cheer you on as you run by :)

Time for Saturday errands... see ya!
Jan
Saturday, August 11, 2001 09:42:25 AM
IP: modem25-310.mo-net.com

Sorry, I promised I was going to post yesterday, but I couldn't. I try to remedy now...

Josh:> (hope it's not a problem if I write just "Josh". Writing your full posting name is quite long sometimes...)<<>> True. And, probably, it works on the opposite side too.<<>> What a pity! you turned off just seconds before...oh, well, forget it...<<<You know something, I’ve had it with you spoiling my fun! This is the last time, young man!>>> I *live* for these moments...;). BTW..."young man"? I have the slight suspect I am a bit older than you...;D

Winterwolf, Niamhgold and (maybe) Dreamie:> Hey, great to see you, friends. A chat tonight? Why not? I think I could be free. Just set an approx time!

Kit:> Hey, a Kitainia sighting! Well, great to see you again, my friend, after so much time! And, thank you for your words...I missed you here too, and Doug naturally. I also apologize for not e-mailing you, but I've been told you were busy, so I imagined you had no time for chatting and so on. Hey, if you don't mind, I'll write you right today! Oh, by the way...I, for once, do *believe* you to exist. No, believe is not the right word...I am sure of it. If anyone has any *proof* of you not existing, is praised to show them for me to evaluate, but until then I won't change my mind. And, even if (and underline "if") anything you or Doug told us was not completely true...oh, well, anyone has his own little lies. See you soon, I hope!
P.S. Wedding in November? Very romantic, I say. Quite close too. Best wishes to you and Doug for it, and to Doug for his courses!

No more time now! Later!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, August 11, 2001 09:33:28 AM
IP: h213-103-138.mi.albacom.net

**WARNING: DPH has shifted into WEEKEND MODE. His normal editing of posts before posting may not occur. You have been warned.**

Kit - I didn't catch your full name before. What was it? Which University of Texas so those us can look up what you're heading into?

Hmm. I was wondering something after seeing what recently happenned to the Power Ranger Central Webiste: how 'secure' is this server from hacker attacks?

Religious debate: here's a spin on things and a touch on recent news. When does life begin? If we read the Declaration of Independence it is mentioned that we are entitled to 'Life'. Exactly when does the entitlement to life begin?

Jan - If not Labor Day weekend, perhaps between Christmas and New Year's Day.

In addition to saving money up for a new car ($2,600 saved up), that fund is also available for getting me to G2K+2 As long as I have a full-time job and vacation time, it's G2K+2 or bust for me.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, August 11, 2001 03:29:41 AM
IP: max1-58.cwy.cei.net

Imzadi: <Good plan. Just ask yourself “what would Josh do/say?”. Good way to live ;-)>
Then do the exact OPPOSITE!
Fire Storm
Saturday, August 11, 2001 03:03:54 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Imzadi: <Good plan. Just ask yourself “what would Josh do/say?”. Good way to live ;-)>
Then do the exact OPPOSITE!
Fire Storm
Saturday, August 11, 2001 03:03:50 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Okay, I just can't resist this. This is the first time I've even looked in this CR in well over a month, and I can immediately see why I can't stomach this place most of the time. Jesus, it's like the audition room for the Jerry Springer show.

Doug, Doug, Doug. You are disturbed. Coming back in here and not even acknowledging what has been said about you until SJ confronted you directly. Not even offering an explanation to the people you lied to constantly over the years. But since you're here, and trying to continue your act as if nothing ever happened...

Does this mean you'll regale us with more of the unbelievably awesome sexual adventures you share with your imaginary girlfriend? Or maybe you'll post as "Miller" again. How about the Black Ravens? Actually, I'd love to hear more stories about all the people who live in your head. Especially the ones who can do amazing things like catch arrows out of midair or whatever. And of course, the best one of all, how you pounded a guy's head into a steel post for seven straight minutes and somehow didn't end up in prison.

Blargh. Now you can see why I've been staying away from this place. But I guess I'd better leave again before I say something that can be considered a "personal attack."

I'd also say something about the Green Baron/Heather/Robby situation, but that would get me in real trouble, probably. Like I'm actually scared. I'll just say one thing about that. Betrayal, lies, manipulation...exactly the thing I've come to expect from this place.

Tee hee hee...
Pistoff - [pistoff@uci.net]
Saturday, August 11, 2001 03:02:26 AM
IP: ip-216-104-69-233.uci.net

::Listening to Static X’s “Wisconsin Death Trip::

Hello all.

After crashing late last night I woke up at around noon or so, then got dropped off in the center of downtown Toronto where I tried to navigate my way to my cousin Donna’s law firm. Piece of cake. We had lunch down at this cool place with her partner John. The place was called Bamboo, and it looked like it walked right out of 3rd Street Promenade or Telegraph Avenue. Good food, managed to order a beer without getting carded.

After that I kind of lounged around the house for a while before dinner, caught up on CR, mac sites, etc.

I saw a big poster the other day that I thought I might get. It’s a big Canadian flag and it says “CANADIAN CHICKS KICK ASS”. Not that I’ve been shtupping a bunch of girls since I got here (or any, for that matter), but quite frankly I have been impressed with the overall quality of the female form here. Definitely on par with LA. The only thing that’s really stopping me from getting this poster is…well, it’s a Canadian flag.

I spoke to the Apple Store today to find out why the hell my order moved BACKWARD from “being assembled”, where it sat for about 2 weeks, to “being reviewed”, where it had previously only sat for a day. After sitting on hold listening to REALLY bad music, I talked to a very nice CSR who informed me that there was a problem with preauthorization of the credit card (their fault, not my credit, thank god!) and that the order has been authorized again and should proceed normally.

It’s still unlikely that I’ll see it before September. Which sucks. Hard.

In other news, the Wall Street Journal says that Bush’s new guy in charge of the Antitrust division of the DoJ is a real hardass that totally goes by the book. Well, Microsoft is a by-the-book Monopoly and Bill Gates is a by-the-book bastard. There’s still hope!

Unless Microsoft gets Windows XP out early. Is anyone actually planning on UPGRADING to this POS?

Saki: <<How did ya like my story>>: I thought I posted a response to this already. The story isn’t bad, it’s the actual execution that needs work. Your grammar and spelling are terrible, and your paragraphs are a mix of random thoughts that don’t really get explored. Other than that… <<but you have to admit he did have his good points>>: Um, no. He didn’t have ANY good points, which is exactly what made him so cool. <<Remember everyone has a good and a bad side so is the powers of Ying and Yang>>: Right…you keep smoking that stuff.

Aingeal: Long time no see! I have you on IM, but I just don’t get around to that as often as I used to. <<e-mail me and let me know what impt things I've missed>>: I’ll buzz you on IM tonight. <<such as relationship changes>>: Only the finest drama!

Aris Katsaris: <>: No, but since it happens, God must have decided it should exist, and therefore it must be good and necessary. At least that was your argument. <<the popular conception of heaven is that people are *happy* there>>: In my mind, “eternal bliss” is a different thing for everyone. So you’re suggesting that you wouldn’t miss people that weren’t around in heaven? <<I'd find it difficult to accept as heaven a place where everyone is anguished with compassion over the billions of souls in hell>>: I think eventually you get over it, just like eventually you recover from the death of your parents.

Kathy: <<it was just one more dumb injury in a long line of dumb injuries>>: Aren’t they all? <<Let go of anger and bitterness>>: Avoid the dark side, young jedi.

David G: <<It's not about love or faith. It's about my personal weakness>>: You’re very strong to be able to admit that. Most people with strong convictions in religion haven’t the strength to admit a flaw like that. <<if before he died he asked God to forgive his sins and became a Christian that he should go to heaven>>: That shows amazing generosity. If I really believed in hell, there’d be a long list of people I’d like to send there, most for doing really petty things long ago. But since I don’t believe in hell, I have to come up with other creative things ;-) <<If he finally died, you would have every right to be sad, but there would be no one to blame except for him>>: Good explanation. <<Statistically, since the posibility exists, at least a few people will be lost>>: True, true. <<"Antitheist," someone who might claim to be an Athiest, but really believes in God and doesn't like Him. In my experience most high-school Athiests are really Antitheists who are doing it to annoy their parents>>: Let there be no mistake. I am a real Atheist. I don’t believe in God. If, at some later date, I get proven wrong, then I will be an antitheist. Although I will admit that my religious beliefs irritate my parents to no end, that isn’t the reason for them.

Greg X: <<Half my family is Jewish as are most of my RL friends, so I identify with it more>>: My experience with Judaism seems to be that its more about being a good person here and now then worrying about any larger picture. Just worry about your own needs and balance them rationally with everyone else’s. Plus they’ve got great food ;-)

Jan: <<we're up salt creek without a paddle>>: Salt creek doesn’t bother me. Its sh*t creek that would really suck. <<not in the sense of being IN love>>: I guess we’ll see, won’t we. <<As long as everyone can keep an open mind and anger out of the debate>>: This is TGS CR, right? <<the sect of non-christian beliefs are a religion of sorts too>>: No. There is no “of sorts”. It is JUST as valid as your religion. <<what have I lost by believing that there is a God and a Heaven>>: OH, I get it now! Being Christian is YOUR way of hedging your bets. Very…um…LAME. Believe me, I’ve thought about your argument many times. However, I since I have, I cannot bring myself to believe in such things as I am always questioning my own faith that motivates my belief in heaven/hell/god. See what I mean? Since that train of thought has already occurred to me, I’d always doubt the motivation for believing in god, whether faith or self-preservation. This is why I think religion is so hokey. We worship a god because we’re AFRAID of it or the consequences. As for what you’ve lost, you’ve lost a lot of Sunday mornings that you could have been sleeping, not to mention all the debauchery that you might have avoided because of your religion. So there IS something to be said for not worrying. Personally, I believe that when we die, we rot. In the ground. Forever. Period. Dismal, but ultimately what I expect. <<I'm right and there is a God, Heaven, etc. and you are wrong>>: That’s a moot point. I’m never wrong. <<Association of Retarded Citizens>>: They actually call them “retarded”? Isn’t that, uh, not politically correct or something? Shouldn’t they be called “mentally challenged” or whatever? <<ohhhyes, the future is looking brighter>>: Hold on, lemme grab my shades. ;-) <<we still have to pay out of district rates>>: I wasn’t aware that there were “district colleges”. I thought it was just state schools. Either you were in state, or you weren’t. <<He's getting the basics out of the way these first 2 years at a much lower cost and then will transfer to whichever college that has the best degree program for what he wants>>: Good plan. Wish him luck. Tell him UC Berkeley has one of the top three computer science programs in the country. ;-)

Spike: <<at home with my newest 'trainer'>>: So that’s what you’re calling the poolman, is it?

Lynati: <<but he was too busy playing with his gun or something to talk>>: He should stop doing that, he might get hairy palms. <<being like Josh is NOT a good thing>>: I tried to tell him… ;-)

Lain: The cousins have been advised that you’ll be around on Sunday! So we can decide what to do then, based on the weather. If its hot and a b*tch, we can hang out inside and eat lots of good food and whatever. If its nice, we can go down by the Lake or over to the island or whatever. It’ll be fun. <<learned the hard way that i hadnt tied it on right.. after chasing it down the street>>: LOL! <<nice to see jannie thinks i cant be IN love with gunjack>>: If I listened to other people, I’d still be…nevermind. <>: I think its just your way of understanding how he thinks. My question is what were you doing/thinking while he was reading it? <<if i dont want to convert him, what is it that i want to do>>: CENSORED. <>: Admirable goals. I wish you the best of luck with them. <<not all non-christians think the bible is just words in a book>>: Even if it is. Even if it was penned/typed by God himself (I think I was busy that day, though), it’s still just words. <>: This is how Dante defined it in his “Inferno”. The 9th circle of hell is frozen because it is the furthest from God’s warmth. <<then i started wondering if time was really linear like humans think it is.. or is it a loop? or loops within loops.. and then my head hurt and i went back to watching>>: Star Trek would have been better for this. Or Gargoyles ;-) <<im not daft>>: Lets not jump to conclusions, dear ;-) <<maybe ill take your advice and just sit back and soak up the compliments>>: Good plan. Just ask yourself “what would Josh do/say?”. Good way to live ;-) <<and GOD told noah to build him an arkey arkey>>: LOL!

Baldy: <<for some reason, there was this kid with the power of "Heart">>: Yeah, I remember it. But I don’t count it, because ITS SO FRICKIN’ STUPID! <<What the heck can that do>>: Myocardialinfarction?

Smut-pandering bitch queen of all creation: <<as above, so below," is one of my all-time favorite lines I've ever written>>: And probably one of the best. <<Since that tends to sum up my own attitude, I better just stay out of it>>: LOL. I wonder where eople who worship Greg W go when they die?

Queen of Pain: <>: ::Cartman accent:: Ah !@#$! ;-) <<in this movie she insists on being topless>>: And I will be in the FIRST ROW! SJ, wanna catch this one with me? <<the director wants a compromise saying that it might tarnish her image for her younger fans((Wait isnt it already?))where she has a wet t-shirt on>>: I can work with that! <<why do these young girls have to show their goods>>: BECAUSE THEY CAN. <<want to prove that they actually have them>>: I don’t think anyone doubts the existence of Britney’s breasts. <<just had the surgery and can'twait to show them off>>: She had the surgery a while ago. <<before any of you::Glares at SJ and Josh>>: TOO LATE! <<says that I'm MaD cause I Don't have what they have I just like to say I am pleaseD with the way GoD maDe me>>: Then why are you complaining? Let the testosterone units enjoy it and you can sit home and eat chocolate. :cartman voice:: And stop yer bitchin’! <<dad is going for the surgery>>: Breast implants? <<I'm suffering from is Nauseu>>: Feel better! <>: All in good time, my friend.

Shadowrider: <>: Lynati and I were gonna, but since you told us not to we decided to let Code Red have at the s8 server 8-)

Dreamie: <>: I haven’t been doing anyone, thank you very much. <<Unless you get a seeing-eye dog... chicks like guys with dogs>>: No, they just dig the dogs. <<Ok I'm not commenting on that one!>>: Poker? I barely know her! ;-) <<How 'bout a pointy stick>>: Fear the polearm of Dreamie! <<Fine with me. That's where all the good men are>>: Um, no. Logically, the good men would all be in heaven. The FUN men would be down in hell…and rapidly taken up by the loose women. <<erm....:::cuddles close to Winterwolf::: Depends if you're only referring to romantic relationships>>: He is, and unless you two get married and stay together forever, you’ll have one two at some point, dear. <<cuddles as close as she can and swoons happily:::>>: That’s it! You are not allowed to post that crap anymore, otherwise the CR admins will have to take us all to the CR hospital!

Winterwolf: Looks like you’re on top! ;-) <<I'm off to spend quality time with you know who>>: Only if you don’t fall asleep first.

SJ: <>: I think everyone was. <>: I said “no way! I don’t believe it! Probably because…IT ISN”T HAPPENING!” <<No more BS, no more lies, no more tales of insane ex-Walmart security guard stalkers that don't really exist>>: What about tales of having sex under a tarp in the back of a pickup truck? <<this MUST be a sign of the Apocalypse>>: I thought me/you spawning was a sign of the apocalypse. <<Josh actually has a pretty good rebuttal to your comments, I think>>: Thank you! I try. <<who ever questioned how good *my* logic was anyway>>: If you really are me, then your logic should be as good as mine. <>: But… “All Dogs go to Heaven”. <<What did Tolkien know? He was a racist, misogynistic old man>>: Good plan. Bash the renowned fantasy author in the gargoyles CR. Way to make friends ;-) <>: It just doesn’t make sense to me that they would. I mean, how could an all-forgiving and benevolent god deny genuinely good people a place in heaven just because they didn’t have faith. Only religion says that we need to have faith to be a good person. But even atheists can agree on certain parts of most religions that make you a good person. I mean, if I don’t kill anyone, never commit any crimes, drive safely, help old ladies cross the street, give to charities, never cheat on my wife and never beat my kids, and donate my organs to saving lives, aren’t I just as deserving of a place in heaven as the next guy? What all knowing god could deny that? <>: Indeed you do. I hope you’re right. <>: Buwahahaha! ::Josh shouts “fulminous venite” and zaps DC!:: <<Cause you're using the love between the two of you to try and change that person to fit your mold. That's unforgiveable to me>>: Not to mention the fact that its not really love if you don’t love everything about them. If you love someone, truly, then you love listening to their snoring even if it keeps you up at night. You love their funny accent or the fact that the squeeze the toothpaste tube from the opposite end as you. <<Anything else, I'd be ashamed of you>>: And SJ’s opinion keeps people up nights. ;-) <<Christian rock, and that, I believe, is going to be piped straight into Hell for their listening "pleasure>>: Jars of Clay?! But they’re pretty good…I guess if I have to listen to them for eternity I can…Flood is a really catchy song. <<maybe God'll kick back and share a nice bottle of Sam Adams with you>>: I don’t drink Sam Adams. But if God can do anything…can he tend bar with any skills? <<it might only be with your significant other, which might be a form of hell in and of itself>>: God no! Anything but that! NOOOOOO. <<speak for yourself>>: I said the same thing! If I wasn’t holding my posts till the end of the night, I might actually have looked original! <>: I don’t remember blessing you… <<since Josh is my clone, or I am his, the same goes for him>>: That’s right! <<It's a burden being this perfect, but hey, that's the way I was made>>: Its as if they almost expect us to suddenly become humble! Bah! <<I'm going to have to come up with an excuse for that angry, feral look in my eyes>>: How about “I’m male”. <<However, I DO want to hear all about it when something dirty finally does happen>>: Get in line. <>: I think everyone would forgive him if he did that. <<he never really liked Fett and didn't plan for him to be a big character and didn't understand why the fans liked him>>: What a dumbass. We like mysterious characters in dark masks who kick a lot of butt! Der!

Fire Storm: <<The funny thing is that software isn’t even that good>>: Oh gee. I’m shocked. Buggy? M$ software? No! <<TECHNICAILLY it’s the same on PC’s. But there IS a way. Sharing>>: There is a way on the mac too…DYMO tape 8-) <<Getting a non-human to look real is easy. Getting a Human to look real isn’t>>: That’s okay, I think I can live with a DLD. It’ll be tough getting by, but I suppose it’ll have to do! <<at least SOMEONE thinks I am older than I am>>: I dunno, I just think you act pretty mature for a 23 year old. <<“Is the back supposed to curve that way?” Brooklyn comments right before a loud crack fills the room. “OOH! I guess not!” >>: LOL! <<maybe I should just write the while dang thing and be done with it>>: Maybe? Do it! Post it! <<define “original>>: Well, if you put it together, the first time you used it, the amount of ram it had (not the first boot up to see if the dern thing worked, but the first time you actually USED it) is the original RAM. <<Why do people comment that Playboy has the best pictures>>: Because they have lousy taste in pr0n. <<At least someone got it>>: PLEASE tell me I’m not the first. <>: I went Steve and never looked back. I’ll never go Linus though. Damn jerk always wants something for nothing! Relationships are give and take! ;-) <<Moochie is my weapons consultant. BLAME CANADA>>: Remember, the DLD is NOT to be armed. <<and I want to know>>: I told you already. 5 of them are the women I’ve slept with. <<Woos>>: Really! Put on a pair of long johns and take it like a man! <<Earth, Air, Fire, Water>>: Mmmm…Mila Jovovich…mmmm…I WANT. <<Indexing the archive: Your kidding, right? I mean, if you made a index database containing all the posts from the CR, that file would be the better part of 150MB>>: You’re assuming I want to store it THERE. I want it for personal use! I have plenty of room for a 150 meg file. <<UNLESS you just have a program that just searches through the files already on the server>>: Sherlock indexing only runs on new files…after it indexes all the old ones once. <<People want their info to show up immediately>>: We’re not talking about a CR for poster’s profiles. We’re talking about an addendum to the page with the info on all the admins on it, something with just a link to a popup window with the poster’s info. Common pic, posting color, DOB, favorite whatevers, location, etc. <<Warpmind and others prove that not everyone supports JavaScript>>: I don’t see how that affects the CR’s decision to do new things. Yeah, some people in here are held back by crappy computers. But letting that decide that the CR shouldn’t have new features is, well, lame. <<are these REALLY necessary>>: No, just interesting. This is why I’d be happy to host the calendar on my site if necessary, or even the info page if you just want to link to it. Of course, that means that I am the one monitoring it (or anyone I give the password to). I just think that it’d be nice to have the posters in here feel like they are as much a part of this fabric as the admins or authors of TGS or whomever. Because we are. We critique, we review, we help out when needed. And of course, we post. Wouldn’t be much without these people. <>: Typical female. <<FS pulls out a beach chair, a pair of sunglasses, and some sunblock>>: We have NOT gotten to a flame war status yet. <<My site>>: Actually, you’re already in the code. Just hasn’t been updated yet.

HEAR THAT ADMINS!? THIS ISN’T A FLAME WAR YET!

Kit: <>: Actually, you make more, since you spend less on gas. Not to mention that gas money is after tax too. <<will be rooting for you the whole way>>:Us SJ fans are gonna go over to the Crzy section and beat ya’ll with foam fingers! <<claps loudly at relationship rant>>: Thank you. Despite being only in a few very dismal relationships, I like to think I have a good eye for pointing out stupid behavior in others. I guess I’ve always had that gift though… <<Good luck selling your Powerbook. I'd buy it if I had the money>>: Don’t do that to me. I have many people that say that. No one does. I’ve had two offers of $750 in the last week…no dice. <<He didn't accept their insulting offer, of course>>: Yeah, at 1.50 each, they’re not even worth selling. I’d rather have them take up space in my library! <<Oh no, I've been found out! My cover is blown>>: You’re really arab terrorist Doug Elder? <>: What about a 40 foot pole? <<D&D creating a religious belief, there's a big surprise>>: It already created a murdering spree. <>: Now why would ya want ta hit a sack?

Okay, time for ME to hit the sack (aka 2AM).

Therefore, I have conclusively proven that its faster to download 3.5 meg than to shove it up your ass, ignoring the time it takes to shove it up your ass.
-Mike Margolis

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, eh?
Saturday, August 11, 2001 02:13:49 AM
IP: hse-toronto-ppp255355.sympatico.ca

Hello again everyone, I'm back. Sorry it's been a few days, but I've had RL keeping me busy. A lot has happened since I was last here. The biggest thing is that I graduated from UT in the second to last week of May with my Psychology degree. I know I should have told y'all when it happened, but I guess I was just too mad at a lot of people in here back then to want to mention it. <sighs> It took me a long time to get over those feelings, but I am over them now and come hell or high water, I will stay that way. I only hope that by daring to come back and post again I can retain at least some of the many friends I made in here over the years I've been in the room. This place and those friends were and still are valuable to me, I feel I should at least try to keep some sign of that value in my life. That's why I came back. As for why I left, well, everyone knows that. I know I won't be welcomed back by everyone, but I've decided I can live with that. Not everyone in this place is my friend, but some people are, and that is good.

In other news, I quit working at Tower back in June. It was too long a drive every day, and the Hastings in San Marcos was hiring. I applied and was hired, I make the same salary I did at Tower but Hastings is much closer to the house so that is good. I'm doing well there so far, I'm going to work for a few years to raise some money for grad school and then go back to UT and get my Master's Degree in Psych. Then I can worry about my planned career in school guidance counseling. :) Doug is doing fine, for those who are wondering about him. He's still bitter about this place, I'm sorry to say, and I don't know when or if he'll be returning to it. Anyone who wants to get messages to him, I can relay them. I'm sure some of you still remember his e-mail also. He's still working the same Wal-Mart security job, been there a year now. However, he's looking into applying for a job with Brinks in the next few months as soon as he gets fully commissioned as a security officer with a concealed weapons permit and all that entails. He's getting ready to take all sorts of tests and courses for that, so he'd appreciate any prayers or wishes of luck. We're still together and doing fine, we set a possible date for the wedding in November and will see what happens. I'll get on to replies now, getting the unpleasant ones out of the way first.

Robby: Forgot to say it last time, but I'll say it now- Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so unpleasant. Glad to have surprised you with my courage. However, I am not Doug, and I would appreciate it if you not confuse us. You can believe I am not who I say I am or that the things I say are not truthful, if you must. Just please don't be surprised if I choose to believe the same about you as well as anything you say.

SJ: If you're right about how things went with Robby, I agree. He has every right to be angry. However, I'm still behind GB and Heather in the matter, I'm happy for them, and I think Heather had good reasons for the breakup. I can understand those reasons, and when I think about the possible reasons for it I can understand the delay in her telling Robby about things too. I can elaborate if you wish. As for "Doug's Fairytale Theatre" I have no intention of carrying out such a thing in here. No more BS, no more lies. That is my pledge. Like Robby, however, you are welcome to believe whatever you want about me and what I say. I don't care. You are also welcome not to read my posts if you wish, I think I may stop reading yours since you don't have any kind words for me. I have one request, though. If you're going to accuse me of lying, please get your evidence straight. I never said Gus was a Wal-Mart security guard. Doug didn't either. He was one of my co-workers at Tower, not one of Doug's. And yes, he was a real person whose terrorization of me and my friends and family was also quite real. All the psychotic and demented security guards at Doug's job were real too. I also am real. I could provide you with evidence of all this, but you probably wouldn't believe it, so I won't bother. I have never asked you or anyone else in here for proof of their existence, I don't need it to be friends with them nor to trust them. I wish it was the same with you.

Ok, pleasant stuff now. <sighs in relief>

Christine: Congratulations on the two new nieces, and good luck to them and their parents in the times ahead. May their lives be enjoyable and happy. :) Congrats also on getting Silversilk published, you can expect an order for it from Doug soon. That reminds me, I still owe you some feedback for Archmage of the Universe. I'm sorry it's been taking so long for me to get it out, I finished the book a month ago. <grimace> I'll get it to you this weekend, on Sunday probably. I promise. <crosses heart> <antagonistic> I think Stephanie must follow Birdie's religion too. She and Keith moved to Phoenix a month ago, but she still insists on calling and bugging me almost every single day.

SOROW: Congrats on being in college, good luck with your classes. If you still want a tour of the campus from me or Doug, just let us know in here and we'll make the time. I can also send you an e-mail if you like (yes, surprise surprise I have my own email address now. I'm not going to post it in here though, I don't want to get flamed by certain folk).

Crzy: Put me down as someone who wants a front row seat at the fight you mentioned and will be rooting for you the whole way. I'll even be Little Pocahontas to your Big Chief Mama if you like (cyber-cookie to whoever gets the reference, I hope I'm not the only one who reads great recent mystery books).

Josh: <claps loudly at relationship rant> Bravo! Good luck selling your Powerbook. I'd buy it if I had the money. Unfortunately resale prices are always screwy for the seller these days. Just look at Half-Price Books, Doug brought them three hardcovers and five paperbacks last week, two of the hardcovers were classics- About a hundred dollars total was spent on the books originally and we didn't want them anymore. The store would only give him $1.50 for the whole set. Highway robbery. He didn't accept their insulting offer, of course.

<CIA> Oh no, I've been found out! My cover is blown! <screams and covers face, then takes her hands away and grins> Just kidding, folks. :)

DPH, Stephen, Lain : Thanks for the welcome backs. It's good to be back. :)

Stephen: I asked Doug to drop you a line. He said he will when he gets the chance. Glad things are going ok for you with your Heather, and hope they soon improve with the work situation. I'll second your opinion on slings and arrows, no more ducking responsibility for me! <grins and displays her own bullseye shirt>

Spike: Congrats on getting to carry the torch. Do it with pride! <grins>

Lain: I missed you too. <returns hug> Wish your WB to Doug could be said in truth. Good luck in the situation with Gunjack, I don't want to say too much on it because I don't like touching religious debates with a 39 and a 1/2 foot pole. I'm behind you both whatever happens and am confident things will work out and love will win. I believe any pair of people can be in love with each other no matter their differences. Even Christians and atheists. This is coming from a woman whose parents are an Orthodox Jew and a Roman Catholic by the way. Yes, my folks do argue a lot. But in twenty-seven years they've never come close to divorce or even separation. I think they enjoy their arguments, I also think they share your view on each wanting to see the world the other's way. Maybe you and Gunjack can eventually come to some similar mutual understanding. :) I wish you luck in it. Congrats on still being able to laugh and getting over your depression. I was hoping you would. Just out of curiosity, how did things eventually end up with your father and all? I haven't been reading the room before last week, not since I left, and I really don't have time to look back through the archives, though I will if you would prefer it that way. If you want me to ask you in email I can do that also. Just let me know.

Heaven & Hell: Yeah, I know, I just said I wouldn't touch this one. I just want to get my opinion out there so people can contemplate it. I believe that Heaven and Hell do not exist as people commonly believe they are. Instead I believe there are many different Heavens and Hells in the afterlife and how you behave in this life determines which one your soul ends up in. D&D 2nd Edition's Planescape setting gave many good examples of possible Heavens and Hells, all of which I believe exist in some way. (D&D creating a religious belief, there's a big surprise.:) This is just my belief, I debunk no one else's nor do I deny the possibility that it may be correct. Until I die, I won't know whether any single belief about the afterlife is true or not. Until then, I will keep believing in what is most comfortable and understandable for me.

Warpmind: Condolences on being looked down on by the local bumpkins. I've never been accused of rape, but I think I can guess how you must feel. My advice to you is to ignore the campaign against you as much as you can- the victim and the police are both debunking the accusations and you have a solid alibi, so you should be able to handle any problems resulting from the accusations. If things get seriously bad, I recommend you get in touch with the officers working the case about these slanderous jerks and suggest they look long and hard at why exactly they are saying you did it when both they and the victim are debunking things. The negative attention ought to give the jerks what they deserve, or at least shut them up. Good luck whatever happens, Doug and I will keep you in our prayers. <the Blob> IMO, you haven't missed much. But that's just my opinion.

Put me down as another major Thailog fan. Go Thai! :)

Jannie: You obviously have never met my parents, or you would believe that despite widely different religious beliefs people can be in love and remain together without conversion (though I can't say there weren't attempts by both Mom and Dad on the other over the years. They both have long since given up). Congrats to you on your house, to Anna on her job, and to Micheal on his college acceptance. Good luck to you all with everything in your lives.

Shadowrider: Glad you're still coming in here and doing alright. I think out of everyone in here you're the person I missed the most. I hope you'll say hi to me again soon. Also hope you're enjoying your leave. <smiles>

I need to go hit the sack now, I'm tired again. Good night everyone. See you again soon. <waves and flies out>
Kit
Saturday, August 11, 2001 01:40:48 AM
IP: 63.232.50.142

Imzadi <That'll teach them to ship their stupid mice all over the place!>
The funny thing is that software isn’t even that good!
< On the Mac, we can't name drives (other than HD's), only disks>
TECHNICAILLY it’s the same on PC’s. But there IS a way. Sharing.
<Do you know if either of those support plug-ins?>
I think both of them. The non-lite version at the very lest.
<Instead of a DLD, can you make an LD based on this picture Niamhgold drew of Selene? RUFF!>
Haven’t seen it. But if it is of Selene, the Wyrd sister, then maybe not. Getting a non-human to look real is easy. Getting a Human to look real isn’t.
<Wait, you’re only 23? Why did I think you were older?>
Well, at least SOMEONE thinks I am older than I am!
Maybe I just sound mature in here. Who knows.
<Anything that features Demona fighting other women is gonna be rented by at least Goliath and Iago, probably Xanatos too. Brooklyn would watch to cheer for the opposition>
Saturday Night, in the Xanatos’s private living room, the entire Wyvern clan, Elisa, the Mutates and the Xanatos family are crowded around Xanatos’s 120” TV watching the Joker handing Demona’s ass back to her.
“Finally. Something good on television.” Hudson notes as he passes the popcorn to Angela.
“Is the back supposed to curve that way?” Brooklyn comments right before a loud crack fills the room. “OOH! I guess not!” He winces.
“Gotta love that surround sound!” Lex comments as he grabs the popcorn from Angela.
“This prisoner stuff ain’t half bad!” Fang comments, in chains, as he watches Demona get the crap beat out of her…
You know… maybe I should just write the while dang thing and be done with it.
<You don’t think that Greg W knew aboot that, do you?>
Well, he WAS in the news in 1994…
<When I’m done with the upgrades, my tower will have 12x the original ram and only only 4x the original HD space. ;-)>
For me, define “original” ;) Not a store bought!
<And you haven’t even met me. Why do you think I promised everyone I wouldn’t breed?>
Thank Oberon for that!
<Amen, Brotha!>
Why do people comment that Playboy has the best pictures? The women show no emotion, are all the same, etc. The only thing of any quality in that mag IS the articles.
<Slow as all hell, but otherwise cool. I really like the bit with “Billy” and “Linus”. But you forgot to throw in “Steve” ;-)>
At least someone got it! Glad you liked it. But as for “Steve”… I have NEVER gone Steve! Truth be told… I haven’t even gone Linus yet.
Odd… In WORD 2000, Linux is in the spell check dictionary but Linus isn’t.
<Blame moochie!>
Na… Moochie is my weapons consultant. BLAME CANADA!

Warpmind: Did you ever find out who sent you that sex doll?
<I'm not telling what the 6 are. Actually, I'm not sure, myself - the book's on ice...>
Dang… and I want to know! Some people think I can’t handle some of the weirder ideas in sex… then I surprise them! (THAT is what you were so afraid to say? <-- to my co-workers)
<unfortunately, I don't have the access code to the cryo unit>
Can I hack into it? I have a cutting torch! ;)
<-167 degrees Celsius is a bit too cold for me to rummage about in...>
Woos. ;)
<No, no, no, Star Wars Episode 3 - Forced to flee!>
NO! Star Wars episode 2: Attack of the Jar-Jar clones!
Star Wars: Episode 3 – Dark Jedi Master Jar-Jar (Meesa gone over to the Dark Side!)
Star Wars: Episode 7 – Return of the Jar-Jar (Jabba, I am your father!)
<the one I rented at G'01 was priced at 800$, and that was CHEAP!>
I had a VERY long discussion with someone who worked at the Ren Faire when I was working at Office Depot. He told me a quick and easy way to make it with a Dremmel tool, a power drill, and solder.

Warpmind/Imzadi: The 5 elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water, LeeLoo ;)

Robby: <Thats because I'm not the one who brought up the Vash in the shower scene, Aaron is!>
For a moment there, I thought you were talking about Vash the poster!

*** TGS CR STUFF ***

Indexing the archive: Your kidding, right? I mean, if you made a index database containing all the posts from the CR, that file would be the better part of 150MB. Wyvern Web already has enough web space problems. And if it was a CGI file… well, let’s just say that even *I* am afraid to touch a CGI-BIN on that server. And what happens when LM finds a copy of a previous CR that has more posts? (A previously incomplete CR, for example.) That seems to happen every month or two.
UNLESS you just have a program that just searches through the files already on the server…
Hmm…

Poster Info: The actual coding for this is the (relatively) easy part. The hardest part is the logistical part.
People want their info to show up immediately. But if someone else has the opportunity to review it before it is posted, it can keep it from becoming another chat room, filled with spam, non-posters, etc.

For both of those, compatibility is the biggest thing. Warpmind and others prove that not everyone supports JavaScript.
Also, are these REALLY necessary? Is it important to see when someone first posted? Is it necessary to have the CR posters info on a page?

*** END TGS CR STUFF ***

Lain: <on one hand, it makes me feel reeeeaaaally sexy cos someone thinks what he thinks about me but on the other hand, im petrified and creeped out that someone thinks the things he does about me>
I think it is normal to feel this way until you get really comfortable with someone. Heck, LM and I have been together for 5 years and I still make her a little nervous when I tell her how drop dead sexy she is to me. She always has been a little shy about herself. I think it is self-confidence issue (for both of you). Once you feel better about yourself, you will feel better about how people look at you.

God talk?
::FS pulls out a beach chair, a pair of sunglasses, and some sunblock::
Heck, if there is gonna be a flame war, I might as well get a tan. My species likes the heat!

Kyryn: <LOL! Actually, half of our friends thought we were already married>
I know LM will reply to this also, but…
LM and I have family and friends that still think we will NOT get married and have always thought so.

Siofra: <Out for now, gonna go pick up some more RAM for my family's computer>
Do you go to the local computer shows or do you just stick to the stores?

Bill Schaub: TGS is between seasons. They should be starting back up in a few months.
Fire Storm - [<--- My site, if you want it's link on your site Imzadi]
Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:20:48 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Could someone tell me what the status of the TGS project is?
i am hoping that it is still being actively written for
i just finished season 3 of the gargoyles series and i would hate to have things just end there. I would also like
to know how i could help out the project in any way.

wether it be TGS or anything else on gargoyles-fans.org
Bill Schaub - [talon@hancock.k12.mo.us]
St. louis, Missouri, USA
Friday, August 10, 2001 11:56:03 PM
IP: stl-206.tseinc.com

Lain> I said, "Of course, it can happen and it does on a few ocassions" concerning falling in love between a christian and athiest.
Jan
Friday, August 10, 2001 11:02:02 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Sorry I haven't been here for the religious debate. I guess I was just stunned that "Kit" actually showed up again.

You want to know my reaction to that? I swear, when I saw that name, I literally laughed out loud. HARD. It was the only logical reaction, after all of the wackiness that was going on in the CR at the time. I saw that name, and said "Holy sh!t!!", and started laughing so hard it hurt. It's just like when you have one of those really crazy days, and at the end of the day, when you think maybe some normalcy will return to you, something totally unexpected and even more crazy happens to you, and you just shrug your shoulders and laugh and say to yourself, hey, why not?

I will say this, though: I ain't sitting through "Doug's Fairytale Theatre" again. No more BS, no more lies, no more tales of insane ex-Walmart security guard stalkers that don't really exist.

But onto the dreaded religious debate!

Ironically enough….and this MUST be a sign of the Apocalypse, since we're delving into Christian thought here….but I sort of agree with Aris.

<<Therefore why would a Christian be unhappy that someone will go to Hell? I don't get it.>> Well, I can't talk for all denominations of Christians, but I was taught the belief (or brainwashed with guilt, take your pick) that, as sinners, we SHOULD go to Hell. Therefore, yes, it IS good that we go to Hell, because that fulfills some sort of cosmic justice.
Of course, the goal is to be with God. To go to Heaven, or the Elysian Fields, or whatever utopia supposedly exists after life, because that's where God is. It has a lot to do with God's presence. From the way it's described in the Bible, "God is love". He's the best drug of all time. It's better to spend an eternity with him, than without him. That leads into just what Hell is. For all the talk of fire and brimstone, the worst part of Hell is that those in it are forever lost from the presence of God. It's an eternity of nothing but pain and despair, compared to an eternity of happiness and love. So you want to be with God instead of without him. But, Aris is actually right, even though I know he disagrees with the whole concept of Hell; it is good to go to Hell, in a big, cosmic sense, because that is what we "deserve", but it's better to be in Heaven with the G-Man.

There you go, Aris. That's maybe about as good as you're going to get from a Christian. I just said going to Hell is a good thing.
Josh actually has a pretty good rebuttal to your comments, I think. By sort of agreeing with you, my logic may be as "faulty" as yours, but who ever questioned how good *my* logic was anyway? ;)

<<Well, the popular conception of heaven is that people are *happy* there. I'd find it difficult to accept as heaven a place where everyone is anguished with compassion over the billions of souls in hell.>> If one was so anguished about that, why not be anguished over it here? Why wait till Heaven to show your anguish? And yet, how many of us are crying their eyes out here on Earth for the souls of the damned? From what you know of me, do you really think that if I make it to heaven, I'm gonna be crying my eyes out because I'm there and billions aren't? ;)
I think I would cry if my dog wasn't up there, though. That would be heartbreaking.

<<"If we are indeed the Children of the One, then He will not suffer Himself to be deprived of His own, not by any Enemy, not even by ourselves. This is the last foundation of Estel (Hope), which we keep even when we contemplate the End: Of all His designs the issue must be for His Children's joy.">>
What did Tolkien know? He was a racist, misogynistic old man.
Sorry, that was just a joke. Just meant to get a reaction. I always find the "Tolkien was a woman-hating racist!" "No, he was a good man!" debates to be very amusing.
If I felt so inclined to argue, I would that Tolkien's remarks about "His own" meant just Christians, thus the atheists are not "God's own", but I'm growing tired of this debate already. Ice cream headache time.

But, on the other hand, I am torn about the belief that all non-believers go to Hell. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but I do think exceptions (not HUGE exceptions, but still) are made. That's another entire debate right there.

I disagree with the bishop of Warpmind's church, though. I do believe that there is a Hell, and that people do go there. If everyone went to Heaven, regardless, than that would be a great argument that there is no justice in *anything*, and therefore there is no reason to engage in any sort of behavior that is anything short of morally reprehensible. Under those rules, we should make Hitler a saint, because in the end, his actions are no better or worse than those of the holiest of men. If that was the case, I would become the biggest atheist on the planet and start killing Christians, Roman Empire style, just to piss off the God that, IMO, has committed the worst atrocity that could ever be accomplished. I'm sorry, I graduated with a degree in Administration of Justice. I kind of have a lot riding on the belief that justice is actually more than just an interesting concept. But that's a debate for another day.

Spellcasting: I'm sort of torn here. On the one hand, I *do* believe in it. Oh, I think about 99.9% of the stuff people do today is crap. I don't mean to insult any Wiccans in here, but I think they're spells and stuff are more just religious rituals than any sort of real magic. Do I believe that real magic exists? Yeah, I do. I don't expect anyone to shout "fulminous venite!" and for them to start hurling thunderbolts like Zeus, but I do believe in magic. Most of the black arts, though, I think, are just more show than substance.
For fun, though, go pick up a copy of the Greater Key of Solomon, or the Golden Bough by Frazier (all 13 volumes, none of that abridged crap). Good bed-time reading. ;)

As for whether Christians and Atheists, or really if people of 2 different faiths can get together, successfully….absolutely. EXCEPT: you can't *try* and convert them. They have to want to do it on their own, WITH NO PRESSURE FROM YOU. No conscious pressure, at least. If you're of Religious Position A, and they're of Religious Position B (and let either position be anything: Protestant, Catholic, atheist, Muslim, etc.), and you openly try to convert them and they don't really want it? You're scum in my book. Cause you're using the love between the two of you to try and change that person to fit your mold. That's unforgiveable to me.
So, let me stick my foot in it: Gunjack, don't try and convert lain. Lain, don't try to convert Gunjack. Same with you, Siofra, and your boyfriend, and the same goes for your boyfriend. THEY have to want it, and without pressure from you. Anything else, I'd be ashamed of you. I know, as a Christian, we're supposed to convert, but I couldn't do that to someone I loved if I knew that they didn't want it. I couldn't force it upon them, cause that, IMO, is a huge betrayal of the relationship.

Greg: <<Let's look at this for a moment. God, father of creation, has his Heaven. In this place there are of course only things which please God. No fornication, no excess of alcohol or drugs and certainly none of that evil rock music. All those who enjoy such things are condemned to hell, for their unrepentant enjoyment of things that displease God.>> What makes you think that there won't be fornication, or alcohol / drugs, or rock music? You have to look at what makes those things sinful. Fornication is only wrong, in God's eyes, because is forgoing the sanctity of marriage for lust. Alcohol and drugs are not bad, per se, except for 2 reasons: 1.) God says that your body is a temple which you should keep sacred, and unfortunately most drugs and especially alcohol, when not taken *in moderation*, damage your body (therein lies the fault) and 2.) God commands that there be no other idols before him, and if you're so into drugs / alcohol that it consumes your life, than yes, that is a no-no. Rock music? You probably got that one. Rock music is only bad in the sense that music is, supposedly meant to edify God and / or us, his creations. Sadly, most music doesn't fall into that category, except Christian rock, and that, I believe, is going to be piped straight into Hell for their listening "pleasure". I doubt DMX will be belting out tunes like "My Niggaz" in Heaven.
I don't necessarily think that there will not be sex or drugs / alcohol in Heaven. I know you were joking, but I'm serious---I'm open to the possibility. (The drugs and stuff, maybe not, because as I said earlier, if you believe what the Bible says, being in the actual presence of God is supposed to be the best high ever, but who knows, maybe God'll kick back and share a nice bottle of Sam Adams with you). I really believe that sex probably would exist in heaven, but it might only be with your significant other, which might be a form of hell in and of itself.

Hey, did anyone else check out Samurai Jack tonight? Jesus, that thing is great! This is, IMO, Tartakovsky's best effort so far. It's epic in scope, and at times it's so like a manga epic, but with Genndy's trademark style and a good deal of Japanese mythology thrown in there. This is definitely a show I'm going to be watching in the future.

Hot damn, with this and the Justice League AND a slew of anime shows coming soon, Cartoon Network just completely dominates the industry when it comes to animation. I almost can't believe that it's a Turner station.

Stephen: Nice to be punked out by someone who is supposedly your friend, just because you might disagree with them about something, huh?

Jannie: <<We are all far from being perfect (sorry to burst your bubbles, Josh and SJ)>> Hey, speak for yourself! I have been blessed by the Almighty himself. ;) And, since Josh is my clone, or I am his, the same goes for him. It's a burden being this perfect, but hey, that's the way I was made.
And of course I don't mind you calling me a goober! Please, you KNOW I've been called much, much worse! ;)

Lain: Damn, now if I ever meet you, I'm going to have to come up with an excuse for that angry, feral look in my eyes….
But hey, you shouldn't feel bad if you're having some issues with the physical side of the relationship. If you were attacked, you're going to have some things to deal with before you get intimate with anyone again. And BTW, I never thought anything dirty was going on between you and Gunjack. However, I DO want to hear all about it when something dirty finally does happen. ;)

Star Wars: Well, of course we were all probably expecting something like "The Clone Wars", which would sound a little cheesy, but still sounds cool enough. Instead we get "Attack of the Clones", which is just plain silly. If I was one to give Lucas a lot of credit, I would think that maybe he did this just to piss off all of the fans who bitched about the first prequel. I will forgive him for this transgression if he has Boba Fett (or Boba Fett's father…..or whomever is running around in the Mandalorian armor) kill off Jar Jar, gruesomely, within the first 10 minutes. Of course, true to form for Lucas, this Fett character will probably be the coolest character in the film, and thus will only be given 5 minutes total screen time. (Pointless rant of the day: Let me renew my affirmation that the inclusion of Fett (any Fett) in the new movie(s) is proof that Lucas is only in this for the money, NOT to make a quality film. Lucas went out of his way, years ago, to say, in multiple interviews, that he never really liked Fett and didn't plan for him to be a big character and didn't understand why the fans liked him. And yet now he's a big part of the prequels. Go figure. Of course, Lucas is the man who always claimed that there would be NINE films, but we saw how quickly that tune changed, huh?).

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, August 10, 2001 10:15:01 PM
IP: 66-44-67-243.s497.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Shadowrider> Hi! Welcome back! We have to get together online or something. Maybe some time tomorrow? Niamhgold said she'd be available too! :D

Now I'm off to spend quality time with you know who. ~_^

**goes off to where he dropped Dreamie off and runs off with her**

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Friday, August 10, 2001 09:18:49 PM
IP: adsl-141-155-116-232.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Hey hey everyone! I hope you're all doing well! ^_^

Sorrow: <<How the hell have you been?>> Damn good ^_^ How 'bout you?

Niamhgold:<<It was good that you two had the entire weekend at the Gathering 00 to get to know each other ;) >> Actually, we didn't. We only really got to talk twice that gathering, at the masquerade and at the Auction (I thought it was hilarious how he'd bring the lots up to the front dancing...and dropping things ^_~) We later admitted that each of us were staring at each other the whole time. A month later he emailed me and it all started...heh. <<BTW, the artwork you displayed at the gathering (as represented on your website) was gorgeous!>> Thanks! ^_^ <<Was that stuff digitally colored and printed, painted and printed, or original "hard copy" paintings?>> Oh gawds no... right now I can't paint to save my life! They're sketches that are inked, scanned, colored in Photoshop and printed. ^_~

Aaron:<<Ooh, ooh, you be the Japanese schoolgirl, and I'll bring the Catholic schoolgirl, and Wolfie and I can wear the Overfiend costume>> Note: Any anime references are lost on me, lol.

Josh:<<And that whole "blind guy" thing doesn't go well with the whole "I think I'm a cool guy".>> Unless you get a seeing-eye dog... chicks like guys with dogs, lol. <<but poker for 2 is just kind of lame.>> Heh, Ok I'm not commenting on that one!

Warpmind:<<Whip would not be a good weapon against me.>> Hum... ok then maybe a whip wouldn't be the best choice...:::thinks::: How 'bout a pointy stick? <<Doom 2>> Wolfie and I should start playing that...now that we've beat Quake II together. (Which, I'll admit, wasn't all that difficult ^_~)

Lexy:<<Thanks a bunch! That was it;) >> No prob ^_^

JacKa::<<Anyway, how have you been, Dreamie?>> Very good, and yourself? ^_^

Religious debates: I tend to not comment on these, but there's a female family saying passed down through my grandmother, to my mom, to me... When someone says "You're going to hell!" after you tell them you don't believe in a god, your next line is "Fine with me. That's where all the good men are!" ^_~

Happy Belated Birthdays to all those who had one!

Lynati: <<GOLIATH as Dorothy!!>> Oh my! LOL

:::waves at Stephen::: ^_^

Revel:<<Who on this whole big ol' planet has not had a bad relationship.>> erm....:::cuddles close to Winterwolf::: Depends if you're only referring to romantic relationships. ^_^

Christine: Congrats on being an auntie again!

SJ: Don't you just love it when moths attack Bush during a speech? ;D

Shadowrider: Welcome back! ^_^ <<<Winterwolf> See you soon, my friends, and please say hello for me to your sweet and beautiful girlfriend.>> Aw, you charmer you! :::noogies!::: ^_^. I'm sorry to hear about your military dilemma, I had some of the same feelings when watching WTO.... I call it the "sheep effect", heh, but I digress ^_~

Winterwolf: :::cuddle nuzzle kiss::: I love you! ^_^<<The reason I was moving furniture was my sister wanted to get the room ready for the baby which is due in September.>> You'll be a wonderful uncle my love! Let's hope your parents get some of their "first grandchild" energy out on them, lol. <<Anyway, the rumors of me being tickled until I post have been greatly exaggerated. ;) >> Oh no they haven't! :::pounce tickles::: <<It’s been hell. :( >> It was hell.... No more being dragged off on vacation without you being there too! <> There isn't such thing as enough of you my love! :::cuddles::: ^_^ <<**Winterwolf sighs deeply and runs off before a breakdown from Dreamie withdrawal kicks in**>> You're too cute my love :::nuzzles and laughs::: I love you! ^_^ <<**snuggles** It is great to have you back my love. ^_^ >> It's great to *be* back my love :::cuddles as close as she can and swoons happily:::

Welcome Saki and Dubble! :::noogies Dubble::: ^_^

That's all everyone! Have a great day/night/week! :)
:::is picked up by Winterwolf and carried away:::
Dreamie
Friday, August 10, 2001 09:15:39 PM
IP: acb68ef4.ipt.aol.com

I'm back! Yes, it is so...

All right: The good news is that I got a 10-days licence (I earned a 20 days of licence to have, but they had told me that, due to my multiple current tasks, I could not get more than four-five at a time). The bad is that they told me just yesterday night, and now almost all of my friends are already in vacation...oh, well, I'll try to organize something in the last minute...

Well, I see the CR has not blown up...I'll try to get updated, and post later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Friday, August 10, 2001 03:27:03 PM
IP: mi2-67.dialup.tiscalinet.it

Spike>>>Congrats

Christine>>>congrats on the new family members

Holy cow did anyone see Guiness World Records last night?
SPOILERS***************************************************
There was a guy from Siberia who had half his face torn off by a bear. The record was for most reconstructive surgery done to a face.

and I know Josh missed it but...SOUTH PARK TOTALLY ROCKED...Towlie RulZ!

Spoilers end************************************************

Entertainment news. Britney Spears will be in a movie. No big whoop right? but in this movie she insists on being topless, the director wants a compromise saying that it might tarnish her image for her younger fans((Wait isnt it already?))where she has a wet t-shirt on, but no..the Poptart wants to be topless. why do these young girls have to show their goods? My theroy is they eitherA want to prove that they actually have them or B)just had the surgery and can'twait to show them off. anD before any of you::Glares at SJ and Josh:: says that I'm MaD cause I Don't have what they have I just like to say I am pleaseD with the way GoD maDe me.

Well me dad is going for the surgery and that will take place in December after finals.

and I started my tratment yesterday. The only side efect I'm suffering from is Nauseu, wich isnt too bad cause I haven't thrown up yet.

Relegious debate...I'm not going to touch that one and I suprised SJ hasn't poped out during the debate, since Aeris is posting a lot.

Well Chao
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, August 10, 2001 02:55:47 PM
IP: proxy.sjc.netsetter.com

Christine> I've always liked "Antitheist," someone who might claim to be an Athiest, but really believes in God and doesn't like Him. In my experience most high-school Athiests are really Antitheists who are doing it to annoy their parents.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, August 10, 2001 02:41:32 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Thanks for the congrats on my new nieces! They are fraternal, named Heather and Alyssa, and they are to have their grandmothers' first names as their middle names, though I haven't heard which gets which. Big kudos to my sister-in-law; she had my mom in the delivery room AGAIN. Now, gee, I didn't want anyone else in there at all, least of all my in-laws.

Spike > that's fantastic news, what an honor! Oh, got two packages from you yesterday, thank you, love them! We're going to have to add on a room just to display all this art.

Josh > "as above, so below," is one of my all-time favorite lines I've ever written ; )

Religion > got a half-finished story kicking around someplace in which Birdie describes herself as "antagonistic." She's asked, "Don't you mean agnostic?" and she replies, "Nope, antagonistic; I like tweaking people." Since that tends to sum up my own attitude, I better just stay out of it ; )

Book news > my author comp copies of Silversilk are apparently on the way already, which means it should be available to order soon! In other news, I am at this very moment readying a query-synopsis-first-3-chapters to try AGAIN with Black Roses. I hate this part, I really do. Ugh.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, August 10, 2001 02:05:26 PM
IP: 16-189.075.popsite.net

lain> Yes, God says to forgive. No, I'm not terribly good at forgivness. It' something I'm working on, though.

I guess I wasn't really clear in the bit of my post you quoted. I think there are three aspects to someone's actions (in this case the murderer's). First, he must answer to God. Second, he must answer to society, and third, he must answer to the people he hurt.

God will forgive him if he asks for forgivness.
Society sets a penalty based on law.
I will do my best to forgive him because it's my duty as a Christian. Besides, for my own health (spiritual and physical) I need to release the bitterness.

However, neither God's forgivness or mine do anything to pay the debt the murderer owes society. If the law says he should be executed for his crimes, that's what should happen. The two issues, Forgivness and Justice, are totally seperate. I'd want the murderer to know that whatever his fate, he faces it with my forgivness, but I wouldn't do anything to change the fate he'd earned through his actions.

Assuming he didn't die for his crimes, even though I'd forgiven him, I still wouldn't want to hang around with him. He'd be a living reminder of my family's death. Some people are probably strong enough to embrace that. I'm not one of them. I wouldn't want bad things to happen to him, I just wouldn't want to see him.

My feelings would be largely the same if he'd murdered someone totally unrelated to me. God can forgive him. The survivors can forgive him. Society has to punish him, because that's the rules, and a society is nothing besides its rules.

(Please, let's not have the debate about capital punishment again. My feelings would be the same if the punishment was life in prison. They would even be the same if he got a really light sentence, but I would have a much harder time forgiving him. That's a flaw with me, though, not a flaw with my beliefs.)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, August 10, 2001 12:56:04 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*Warpmind enters, pondering stuff.*
Hiya, gang...

David G: Actually, Hell's just away from the presence of God... and, quite likely, Hell is a LONELY place, cold and dreary. So you've got a bunch of lonely, secluded partygoers, instead of a crowd of them gathered together. Even worse, thet, huh? ;)

Lain: Okay... I won't.

Moochie: YOU LIVE!!! Good to see you. I have the GURPS Villains book now, signed by Christine Morgan. *TAUNT* };)

Josh: Five elements, according to the Captain Planet cartoon - for some reason, there was this kid with the power of "Heart"... whatever that's good for. I mean, Fire, Air, Earth and Water all have some sort of destructive capacity, but Heart? What the heck can that do? Make your enemies go all mushy on you? }:) As for the broken windows, try getting in touch with Terry Pratchett. ;) (And no, there's probably not going to be an arrest or trial here. At least, not against me...)

Saki: Of course you liked Thailog. Everyone likes Thailog. It's the good villains that makes everything interesting. :)

Jan: Don't believe in spellcasting whatsoever, huh? Check out Deuteronomy 18:10-11. };) Not approved of, but acknowledged.

Well, that about concludes my post... I should get the house relatively cleaned before my parents come home tomorrow. (Which I somehow knew before anyone told me - they initially said Tuesday. Geesh, I'm getting better at this prophecy stuff.) Later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, August 10, 2001 12:48:13 PM
IP: mp-217-205-224.daxnet.no

okay, this sucks.. im at the library on a wheely chair and my skirt is stuck in the wheels... noooooot gooooood..
this has the potential to be almost as bad as the other day when i was wearing a wrap-around skirt in windy weather and learned the hard way that i hadnt tied it on right.. after chasing it down the street... luckily noone was watching but when gunjack heard, it didnt stop him having a good laugh at my expense.. : P

*bites lower lip*
nice to see jannie thinks i cant be IN love with gunjack.. actually, that WAS part of the question so i shouldnt complain about others' opnions.

you know.. i really dont WANT to convert gunjack - just the opposite, actually. sometimes we talk and he tells me he hasnt been reading his bible or something.. and i tell him to go do it. when he came and visited, i got him to read it - out loud - to me. does this mean im converting? is he pushing his religion on me? id say no.. since IM the one who seems to occasionally push HIS OWN religion on HIM.
unlike my father, i DONT happen to think gunjack is a religious nutbar. i am observant of the way he acts and sometimes i see that when hes around me (and were NOT debating) the subject of GOD never comes up. he doesnt do that "grace" thing before meals (and i have a hunch he does that when hes at home and NOT near me) and this kind of concerns me slightly. i told my dad once, and he said it was "a point in gunjacks favour". but *I* thought it was making him distinctly un-gunjacky and i like gunjack the way he is. and since gunjack is (apparently) able to read this.. have you read your book today? i bet you havent.. GO READ IT! have you even unpacked it yet?
so if i dont want to convert him, what is it that i want to do?
i want him to understand where im coming from, about everything. i want him to see the world from my perspective, even for a split second - and i want to see the world from HIS perspective, even for that same split second. i dont think this would change him, or me but i think it would help both of our understandings of the world around us. we are looking at the same world, but we see it sooooo differently. and thats OKAY, i dont want to change it - i just want to understand.

jannie>> speaking from the perspective of a non-christian.. not all non-christians think the bible is just words in a book.

david g>> "On the other hand, if someone murdered my family, I'd want to see him die for it. I support capital punishment. I just think that if before he died he asked God to forgive his sins and became a Christian that he should go to heaven. (If I had the choice, I probably wouldn't hang out with him there, though)"
i actually find the above to be hoooooorribly un-christian. im sorry. id tell you why but i dont have the locations of the stuff i think your GOD said in.. um.. i think it was luke 11. dont quote me on that.. anyway, something about "forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who tresspass against us" does NOT say "forgive me my tresspasses and ill TRY to forgive those who tresspass against me" or "ill forgive general stuff but ill have to make some exceptions". theres also a kind of implication in there that your OWN forgiveness depends on your ability to forgive ("forgive me.. as i forgive"). that means getting rid of ALL condemnation and resentment of others who have done bad stuff to you. that means hanging out with them in heaven, and not resenting what theyve done..
okay.. now that really IS preaching to the converted, isnt it? : P sorry..

greg b>> actually, i know some jews who believe quite strongly in hell.. however they dont define it as fire and brimstone. i heard one rabbi (is that how you spell it??) define heaven as a "nearness to GOD" and hell as being "further from GOD".

actually, my latest theological epiphey came from when i took that "nearness to GOD" and "far away from GOD" (which gunjack thinks is a pretty good definition) and stuck it with his OWN discription of GOD as being outside time. after the spin-cycle in my brain, the colours bled a little and i figured that if heaven was a nearness to GOD, and GOD was outside time, that meant that someone could be in heaven RIIIIIIIGHT NOW and they wouldnt know. conversely, they could be in hell right now and not know. and then i started wondering about the implications of something like that and about whether or not people really have free will if they are already in heaven or hell and that was decided before, during AND after they ever existed (outside time).. and then i started wondering if time was really linear like humans think it is.. or is it a loop? or loops within loops.. and then my head hurt and i went back to watching who wants to be a millionare and loathing regis..

josh>> i KNOW moochie isnt gonna do something bad to me.. im not daft.. and i DO begin to wonder if i care if moochies smoking something.. half of me is in the "please.. continue?" mode, and the other half actually doesnt think he is necessarily wrong, i just get worried about people objectifying me. and i KNOW he isnt objectifying me.. maybe ill take your advice and just sit back and soak up the compliments ; )

ah.. well, i have to go to work in half an hour and i need to change out of this scary skirt that is trying to get me killed. while i might be physically at work, the rest of me will remain in here.. scuse me..

*hands moochie some dimetapp, pulls him onto the floor with some pillows, curls up against his chest and promptly falls asleep*

love you guys,
lain "and GOD told noah to build him an arkey arkey.." iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Friday, August 10, 2001 12:31:35 PM
IP: 198.96.83.111

OH MY HOLY GODS! I MUST HAVE HIT THE "SUBMIT" BUTTON BEFORE WRITING THE POST A COUPLE MINUTES AGO!! AHHH! That reaaally makes me look more pathetic then it would otherwise have...eep.
*turns colors and runs away*
Lynati (again)
Friday, August 10, 2001 11:47:25 AM
IP: 207.226.219.79

*Enters*

*Is immediately GLOMMed by Aingeal*
Gyaah! Aww...*Huggles back*
Hee hee. I get to hang out with Aingeal next week! Hey, do we know what we're doing yet?? (This is the problem with living vicariously through your fic characters constantly...after a while, you stop having a life of your own.)

I got to chat with lain for nearly an hour last night...and then I called Moochie but he was too busy playing with his gun or something to talk...];) I noticed that after I chatted with lain I seemed to be in a hyperactive good mood.
I should call lain more often.

*Runs over and GLOMMs Moochie* YAAAAY!! your back! *does a little dance. it is very difficult to do while continuing to GLOMM someone, but Lynati is talented and manages it ;)*
I'm sorry that the email didn't make much sense. Blame the demons.

Revel: No. being like Josh is NOT a good thing. Oh, and I put up that little painting with the eyes...it's so spiffing...

I got bored yesterday and rearranged most of the downstairs furniture. Finding room to put three bookcases against the walls was difficult, but I managed. I finally took down the blue X-mas lights after 3 years...I want to take them back to MO with me.

I am currently in February of 1999 in the Sluggy Freelance archives. ...Aylee is so cool!
"It made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside! No, wait. That was the security gaurd I had to eat to get in here. He had a lot of facial hair."

*Drifts out*
Lynati "If someone doesn't email me soon I'm gonna cry" Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
^Yeah it's pathetic, but sadly true.
Friday, August 10, 2001 11:44:29 AM
IP: 207.226.219.79

Jan> You might want to get a chiropractor to have a look at you. If the pinched nerve is because of the spinal vertebrae being out of line, a chiropractor can probably help with it. The longer it goes on, the more aggravated the nerve damage gets. It could also be a bone spur pressing on the nerve (hopefully not since those usually require surgery). I wish you all the best in dealing with it.

Later!
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Friday, August 10, 2001 11:44:23 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

...
Lynati "If someone doesn't email me soon I' Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
^Yeah it's pathetic, but sadly true.
Friday, August 10, 2001 11:34:11 AM
IP: 207.226.219.79

Kyryn, David G., and other Texans>> They're going to let us know about 3 weeks before the event as to exactly where and when we're going to do our torch pass. I'll be sure it for you!

Josh>> Oh, yeah.... I'll be working out seriously at both the gym and at home with my newest 'trainer' <click!>. We've learned that my son's new pup just loves to walk and walk and walk.....
Spike
Friday, August 10, 2001 10:40:18 AM
IP: adsl-64-216-236-227.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Thank you, David :) That's what I was trying to say... that's what I get for trying to post in a hurry O.o

Kathy> ouch! that's a bummer!! I have a pinched sciatic nerve that I received several years ago while picking up a roaster with a turkey in it... it still haunts me to this day. In fact, I've had pain with it since March now. The pain has now traveled down as far as my toes! I don't know what kind of relief or cure that I can find since it's a pinched nerve. =\
Even though we shouldn't dwell on Heaven/hell debates, it is our eternal life that we should be concerned with. If you don't plan for the "future" - we'll not have the opportunity to change our destiny once we reach judgement day - then we're up salt creek without a paddle.
I do, however, get tired of hearing sermons at my church about death and dying. They seem to dwell on that quite a bit. I have no intentions of dying any time soon and would rather hear sermons on how to deal with TODAY instead of how happy I'll be to get to Heaven. Does that make sense? *chuckles*
Yes, I'll be happy to be in Heaven, but my entrance will depend on what I do while in life here. Teach me what I need to do now, give me encouragements, etc.

A Christian loving an athiest... yes that's possible... but not in the sense of being IN love. Of course, it can happen and it does on a few ocassions - but I also think that deep down each one feels as if they can convert the other one to their way of belief. It would also depend on how strong each of them believe in their faith or opinions... a lot of factors that would be involved *nods*

I don't mind a good and rational debate concerning religion. As long as everyone can keep an open mind and anger out of the debate - there's nothing wrong with discussion it :)

Josh> Because of my faith, I do not fear the spellcasting or anything of that nature. Unless you are a Christian, you just don't understand the teachings and faith of God, the Bible, and Jesus. To a non-christian, they are just words in a book. And yes - the sect of non-christian beliefs are a religion of sorts too. They believe in their teachings just as much as I believe in mine... but that doesn't make me fear nor believe what they do. (and vice versa) Even though I don't necessarily dwell on Heaven/hell, the consequences (according to my faith) is far more severe if you deny God's existence than if I denied some non-christian divinity. In other words, let's say that you are right about being an athiest and there really isn't a God to answer to after death - what have I lost by believing that there is a God and a Heaven? nothing. But, if I'm right and there is a God, Heaven, etc. and you are wrong - brings a whole new meaning to the phrase, "there's hell to be paid" ;)

I have no idea of I'm making any sense right now.... *chuckles* my apologies if I'm not. Rough night and a dizzy morning.

DPH> I would love to meet you IRL :) However, I need to check with my family... they talked of all of us going out of town for Labor Day Wknd. for a mini-vacation. I'll get back to you as soon as I find out =)

Anna snagged a job!! *happy feet dance* She will be assisting at the ARC of MO... (Association of Retarded Citizens of Missouri) hehe, she's following in dear ol' mom's footsteps. *wipes tear* She'll be assisting the adults though and I always had the children. She has the easier task, I assure you! *L* Not bad hours or wages - she will work from 9am-3pm M-F. $7 an hour - which is pretty good for this area. She will continue living with me until after the baby is born, so at least she'll be able to save enough money for when she moves to Springfield. ohhhyes, the future is looking brighter ;)

Enrolled Michael in the junior college here... found out that even though we're residents here and the college is here in town, we still have to pay out of district rates. The *main* campus is in another town (this is an extension campus) and none of our town's tax dollars goes toward support of the extension campus... it's all funded from the *main* campus. So unless we live in the same town/district as the *main* campus - we have to pay out of district rates. cheesy, huh? It's still cheaper than a university and he'll be attending one next year. We weren't sure for a while if this campus would be offering any of the classes that he needs for his 2nd year, but fortunately the counselor was able to find him a full schedule of the classes :) All credits are guaranteed to be transferable to any university here in Missouri. He's getting the basics out of the way these first 2 years at a much lower cost and then will transfer to whichever college that has the best degree program for what he wants. (computer engineer, or something like that)
He'll have his own "space" at the house - he's going to live in the finished basement part with his own entrance/exit. It will be like a mini-apartment.

*rambling* time to go!
Jan
Friday, August 10, 2001 10:11:17 AM
IP: modem18-130.mo-net.com

I myself am an Atheist, so I don't worry about Hell. If I did become religious, I'd most likely be a Jew. Half my family is Jewish as are most of my RL friends, so I identify with it more. Though even then I wouldn't have to worry about Hell, cause Jews don't believe in Hell.

David G> Thanks for clarifying that.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Friday, August 10, 2001 09:41:28 AM
IP: dialin-75-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Many, many replies:

Spike> Congratulations. Tell me where and when, and I might be able to watch. It would be kinda' cool to see someone I know carry the Olympic Torch.

Greg> I know it was a joke. I guess I should have thrown a smiley on the end of my response, which was also supposed to be a joke.

Siofra> I don't think it's impossible for a Christian to love an Athiest or vice-versa. I don't even think a relationship between the two is impossible.

What I think is (a) if I was in a relationship with an Athiest, my concern for her immortal soul would never go away so I'd always have to be trying to convert her and (b) if she was a really fanatical Athest, rather than someone who just didn't have strong beliefs one way or the other, then she'd always have at least a little urge to get me to stop wasting my Sundays on stupid old superstitions. (she might not say it that way, but you get the idea).

Because of that constant conflict, even if it's not a very pronounced conflict, there would be a strain on our relationship that I'm not willing to deal with for years on end. It's not about love or faith. It's about my personal weakness.

Gunjack obviously feels differently, and I wish both him and lain well.

Gunjack> No bet. But for the record I never try to push my faith on anyone. I saw how well it worked during the Crusades and the Inquisition, and at various other points in history. On the other hand, if anybody is interested, I'd be glad to share.

Josh> No, not even bad people. Well, actually, my personal feelings are that some people deserve to rot in hell for three eternities, but God teaches me to forgive, so I try to do so.

On the other hand, if someone murdered my family, I'd want to see him die for it. I support capital punishment. I just think that if before he died he asked God to forgive his sins and became a Christian that he should go to heaven. (If I had the choice, I probably wouldn't hang out with him there, though)

DHP> Yeah. The ten commandments make for a fairly good society. Christ's two are even better (unless you're some sort of nutcase who likes to hurt yourself...) I just didn't have the time/energy to really go into it yesterday - or today for that matter.

Aris> I'm breaking a personal rule about posting on a religious argument more than twice. Let me try to do a slightly better job with Jan's analogy. I think the problem is that you're assuming there's only room for one set of feelings about a single situation.

Anyway, on to the analogy:

Assuming you have siblings, let's pretend that one of your brothers broke the house rules and played ball in the house. As a result of that decision, he ended up breaking your mother's favorite lamp.

He's probably in for some punishment when mom finds out, right?

How do you feel about that?
You're probably sympathetic to him because you've made similar mistakes and been punished for them, but you probably don't harbor any ill will against your mom for punishing him, because he knew the rules and he's getting what he deserved. Also, if his punishment involves being grounded, you might be sad because he can't play with you now. Whatever the case, his punishment is nothing to be happy or sad about in itself.

Now obviously Hell is a little different. For one thing, it's perminant. A better analogy for Hell would be if your hypothetical brother kept doing things that could lead to death despite your hypothetical mother's warnings. If he finally died, you would have every right to be sad, but there would be no one to blame except for him.

The point I was trying to make yesterday is that not even God is happy about sending people to Hell. It makes him sad to lose even one soul, but the posibility for souls has to exist for us to have free will. Statistically, since the posibility exists, at least a few people will be lost. However, every individual has the potential to be saved.

The other thing is that God doesn't really send people to Hell. He saves people from it, but some people refuse to be saved.

I'm still not sure I've answered your question.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, August 10, 2001 09:16:31 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Jan > Re my back: I'm not entirely sure but I've narrowed it down to several weeks of enforced inactivity due to a reoccuring illness (health tip kiddies: if you decide you really want to get mono do it before you turn 21. If you wait it likes to come back over and over again.), the somewhat akward posture required to weave my first knitting project (a sweater) together, followed by a poor choice of position used to pick up the smallest of my dogs who wanted to get up on the bed (he can't jump). I can't be 100% sure, but the range of motion affected seems to point toward those events. In short, it was just one more dumb injury in a long line of dumb injuries.

Your rent and moving situation. Double check your rental agreement. If your landlord hasn't been dunning you for the rent and you've given notice, it might be because he's assuming that deposit is last month's rent. If you haven't given notice then be sure to try and negotiate with your management before the situation escalates into any type of hostilities . You might also want to check the phone book to see if there is any type of renters omnibusman program in your area to assist as you extricate yourself from this situation.

Heaven, Hell and other theoretical planes of existence. Seems kind of silly to worry about such things. You have the life you are living now to deal with and the opportunity to make your circle of existence a better or worse place based on your own actions. So that in mind, do something nice for somebody else without expecting a reward or acknowledgement. Let go of anger and bitterness. Karma isn't just the notion that if you're reincarnated you'll be affected by your actions in this life, it's the concept that every action causes other actions to be set in motion.

Cheers!
kathy
Friday, August 10, 2001 09:07:34 AM
IP: client114022.atl.mediaone.net

Josh> <<That is faulty logic [snip. That’s like asking why someone should be sad when their relatives die. Sure, death is a natural and expected part of life, yet we are hurt when someone close to us dies.>>

The difference is that I never claimed that our mortality was in any way 'good' or 'necessary'. I believe and hope that one day technology will find a way to defeat death.

<<So how do you know if you can be sad there or not.>>

Well, the popular conception of heaven is that people are *happy* there. I'd find it difficult to accept as heaven a place where everyone is anguished with compassion over the billions of souls in hell. Then you'd have *two* places of suffering, not one.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, August 10, 2001 06:35:16 AM
IP: athe530-o086.otenet.gr

Well... i'm out of many loops it seems... it's been a long day... I'm caught up on this week's CR... and I'm not going anyfarther back since i've missed since b4 gathering.

::pounces on Lynati:: I see you in a week! I get to pounce on you IRl.. be afraid!

if someone's bored, e-mail me and let me know what impt things I've missed, such as relationship changes (so i dont embarrass myself) etc.

Love y'all... ::huggles Lynati, Lain, and all the other myriad friends she's made::

Special thanks to Emambu for helping me work through things tonite... nasty close-to-death threats aren't pleasant... one note to those in the room.. if you're not having your life threatened because of who you choose to date... I think you're running closer to easy than i am.

ok.. had my 2 cents... I'm avoiding the heaven/hell/godd issues... and everything else... i'm back to school and real posts in about 2 weeks... g'nite
Aingeal - [krailsaingeal@lycos.com]
dont ask, I'm in hiding
Friday, August 10, 2001 02:55:06 AM
IP: 2di203.rica.net

David G - If you're at least smart as I am (which in fact I believe it is I who is less smart than you are) than you can work through every commandment [in the Bible] regarding how humans treat each other and justify it from aq human's point of view. I already have done that.

Jan - seeing how that you're the closest CR member to me (distance wise), I was thinking about possible visiting you sometime during Labor Day weekend, if possible. Note, I will try to bring a friend from my RL, just to verify parts of what I claimed are my experiences.

Around 2:00am, the moron will be traveling with my brother to go to southern Lousiana to visit my sister-in-law's family. One who weekend dad free. Just thinking about it almost puts me into WEEKEND MODE. I have to do a favor for my brother: bring his check to be deposited since he won't be around to do it himself.

I am going to try to visit the friend this weekend and make plans for Labor Day weekend.

That's all for now.

1+1=-3
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, August 10, 2001 02:01:37 AM
IP: max1-3.cwy.cei.net

Well I'm back to ask one simple yet very impotant thing ........... How did ya like my story? *everyone else anime fall* I Know it may not be that important but I want to know what you all thought of it. And Yes I liked Thailog even though he was sorta a um jerk, ass, evil sedistic mad man ECT. but you have to admit he did have his good points well maybe. Remember everyone has a good and a bad side so is the powers of Ying and Yang.

Anyway just came to say hi how ya doing and hope ya liked my story and hope to see ya all soon.

Sayonnara,
Saki ^_~
Saki Asameeya - [Ksmiley-TSroberts@woldrnet.att.com]
Glendale, AZ, USA
Friday, August 10, 2001 01:31:48 AM
IP: 15.phoenix-02rh15rt-az.dial-access.att.net

::Listening to Red Hot Chili Pepper’s “Californication”, wearing a shirt that says “I am Brad Pitt”, and eating out of a MASSIVE bag of goldfish::

Well, I woke up at about noon today…I haven’t quite caught up to the time difference. I know its gonna be hell when I go to G2k2…I’m sure I’ll miss whatever happens before noon. On the other hand, I’ll probably be up nice and late for all those late-night orgies and “other” panels.

I called a used computer place up here to get a quote on my machine. These guys will give me next to nothing for it. I asked for a quote on a number of different items and configurations (basically, so I could rip out the new ram I installed and put it in a new iBook).

They’ll give me about $1020 (Canadian, mind you) for the computer (depending on which RAM configuration I give them) and about $75 each for the burner and the zip drive. That’s assuming that I have all the proof of sale (which, of course, I don’t have on me, nor do I have the zip or burner on me). That boils down to about $750 US, and quite frankly I KNOW my powerbook is worth more than that. How do I know? Well, they’re selling it for about $1250 US, so I think I should be able to get $1000 for it if I sell it myself. Of course, I can load it with stolen software and put it on ebay and watch the price spiral skyward, but I don’t trust ebay and I want to sell to or through someone I know.

And this is a nice powerbook too, processor aside. I’ve replaced the keyboard, its still got a year of Applecare on it, I’ve upgraded the RAM, its running great, and I’ve already taken care of the recall on the power adapter.

I just don’t want to get shafted by the reseller. Any takers?

In other news, I official declare this PC the slowest piece of crap ever. Folks, let me explain something real simple to you. Those “Minimum system requirements” on the side of the Windows 98 box? Those aren’t serious. That’s more of a “theoretical lowball” of what COULD run it. IT CAN”T REALLY! SO DON”T INSTALL IT! I often spend up to a minute waiting for text to move back and forth from the clipboard.

Two really cool pieces of news today. One, I picked up two old NIN albums at a music store that I hadn’t seen in the states (Closer part 1 and March of the Pigs part 1) for about $15 US (combined). Two, my friend Nico Juber got to play guitar ON STAGE at the ROXY with Better Than Ezra!!! They picked someone out of the audience to play, and it was her! She’s got pics that I haven’t seen yet. She was so stoked because she LOVES Better Than Ezra. It must have been pretty cool.

Anyway, she’s coming out soon with an album of her own, kind of a cross between Dave Matthews and Tori Amos. Really good stuff. Check it out at www.nicojuber.com.

Watched Chicken Run and High Fidelity tonight. Chicken Run was awesome as usual. High Fidelity was very funny, as is every movie with John and Joan Cusack. They’re just hysterical.

I’m updating my links section on my website so I want everyone who’s got their own site to POST A LINK!

On to replies!

DPH: <<not much time to say anything due to [Classified]. When the time comes, [Classified comment].>>: LOL! I’m sure the CIA loved that one. <<Why is unemployment income subject to federal income taxes>>: I find it really entertaining that government employees have to pay income tax. Talk about money laundering. <<15% is just a little STEEP>>: But it is the lowest tax bracket, isn’t it? <<it does classify if they are at least 2 posters/lurkers who work for the CIA>>: I’d think one would be enough.

Baldy: <<five girls who have somehow gained elemental powers; one element each>>: Last I checked, there were 110 elements or 4. Which one has the power of Tungsten, and what can she do? <>: Check your right hand. <<Why do I sense that flattery will get me nowhere>>: The boyfriend, dude. The boyfriend. <<I've found out I've been getting a reputation as a weirdo. Wonder why?>>: Silly foreigner. <<Oh, suuuuure>>: As if we’d believe that Crzy didn’t have intimate knowledge of Greg’s posterior. <<some of the local bumpkins are suspecting me of being guilty of raping a schoolgirl here... which I did not do, obviously>>: Um…is there gonna be an arrest, trial, execution, etc? <<it happened on July 3rd... WHEN I WAS AT LAIN'S>>: Few things are better than an international alibi. <<Logic, truth and innocence is suddenly unimportant, as long as there's someone to punish>>: Welcome to the human race. <<on the Discworld, the gods deliberately go around and throw bricks through the windows in houses where atheists live>>: That explains the broken windows. Where do I file a complaint?

Stephen: <<Is that anything like wrestling with the Blob? (the old movie monster type)>>: I think wrestling with the marvel blob would suck, too. <<What the F*@$ what that about>>: My thoughts exactly. Where did THAT come from? <<take Wurzel's advice and get over yourself>>: You know her response is that I should take my own damn advice.

Xanathar: <<she never asked me to leave,I left to devote all my time to her>>: I’m not sure if that’s better or not. I can’t imagine leaving my friends for anyone. <>: At least you admit your flaw, unlike my friend who insists that his first girlfriend (who tortured him mercilessly) was well worth the effort. <<,"Smells like Teen Spirit"always wins the award for greatest song of the nineties>>: I hate that song. Its so obnoxious, both melodically and lyrically. Of course, I hate all their stuff. <<of course Nine Inch Nails as always>>: Dude, I saw Fragility tour TWICE! NIN rocks! All hail Reznor! (he’s a mac user)

Spike: <>: Congrats! That’s so cool! Guess you’ll be working twice as hard at the gym, huh?

Kathy: <<having a broomstick impaled under my shoulder blade>>: OUCH! <>: Oh, I think we’re safe.

Revel: <<This is why I should be like Josh>>: I think if that happened any more, the world would spontaneously combust. <<Now just think of how you can spoil someone elses kids because they're not yours>>: Is that the job of an aunt or a grandma? I can never remember. <>: As you should be, because I am always right. <<Who on this whole big ol' planet has not had a bad relationship>>: Even my 13 year old brother has been dumped! ;-) <<If they are watching us they have too much time and too much of our money>>: Of course they do. <>: I’d rather use a 2x4, but that’s just me.

Lain: <<was up till at LEAST 4am having a REALLY BIG argument with gunjack>>: Charming. I hope it was worth the lost sleep. <<kinda sorta hollow>>: Try putting the guts back in. <>: Bah. Who needs ‘em!? <<no scandalous sex in here>>: He’s gonna start feeling pretty deprived. <<i feel bad cos i KNOW im trying to convert him to my evil heathen left-wing liberal ways-of-the-damned (: P)and i dont feel thats right or that i should be doing that - and on the other hand i wonder if hes doing the same to me (cept from the other side..) and then i wonder about the "i love you.. now change" problem>>: I needn’t point out that if you really love someone, then they shouldn’t have to change at all. Loving them implies loving everything about them. Er, not that I have any experience in this department whatsoever. I just hear things. <<im afraid hell have the same angry, feral look in his eyes that still haunts and terrifies me>>: Jeez, you need therapy. Quick. You trust men far less than even *I* trust women. I mean, all of us can assure you that this is not something moochie’s gonna do, but quite frankly you aren’t necessarily gonna listen to any of it. I suggest a shrink. Fast. Before moochie runs away screaming like a little girl. <<for some reason, this makes me insanely nervous>>: Its called being a girl with your silly self-consciousness issues. 98% of girls are horribly afraid of their bodies, despite the fact that men don’t date girls they don’t find attractive. You may think your boyfriend is smoking something, but quite frankly who cares!? All this stuff really is a compliment to you from him. <>: You’d be right. It is. <<most "normal" people in relationships do that all the time and like it>>: I’d imagine so. <>: You would, of course, be right. ;-) <<MORE-THAN-YOU-EVER-WANTED-TO-KNOW-ABOUT-LAIN-AND-GUNJACK>>: Indeed. <<im sorry, i didnt mean to offend>>: That’s okay. I’ll let you live…this time. <<isnt the ""I'm saving myself for marriage" puritanical / repressed-sexually-cause-he's-a-Catholic upbringing" exactly what COULD make it interesting>>: No. Sex is better than no sex. Almost always. <<you people had better be careful or my ego might start taking over..>>: I’ll start fencing off real estate. <>: Famous last words. <<im a starving art student and i cant afford it>>: Send me an email and I can try and call during the year if need be. Not too often, as I bill my long-distance calls to my dad and if there’s too many he’ll start to wonder, but every once in a while if you need someone to talk to.

David G: <<I've decided that I won't date anyone who has really strong views on religion if they disagree with my own. That's a fight I'm not willing to wage every day of my life>>: Good plan. In fact, I think I’ll adopt it. I know I’m breaking the hearts of millions of devout [insert name of religion here] by saying that, but so be it ;-) <<Hell is a real thing, and that it's absolutly incomprehensibly terrible>>: Like a Barbara Steisand concert? Or more like that dream where you’re at school late for class and you’re running around without clothes? <>: Hmm…interesting outlook. That explains a lot. Thanks. <<As a Christian, I don't want anybody to go to Hell either>>: Even bad people? Do you not want Hitler to go to hell? What about a guy that murdered your family? Would you want him to go to hell? I’m not trying to provoke argument, just inquiring about where your logic and faith lead you. <<in Hell there's no booze, drugs, or smokes, so you have a bunch of party animals who are deep into eternal withdrawl symptoms>>: I sincerely hope you’re lying.

Aris Katsaris: <<If He created it then it must be good that it exists. And therefore it's good that people who go there do indeed go there. And therefore you must be *happy* that these people go there. It's the place for them>>: That is faulty logic (and I’m an atheist, in case you wonder about my religious bias). That’s like asking why someone should be sad when their relatives die. Sure, death is a natural and expected (and sometimes even predictable) part of life, yet we are hurt when someone close to us dies, even if we believe that person is in a better place. <<there's absolutely no reason to feel sorry>>: What about COMPASSION!? Pity!? Disappointment? <<If Hell is good to exist, then how can it not be good that it is populated?>>: There’s a difference, fellow atheist, between “good” and “necessary”. Your logic is flawed that the necessary actions of someone just are, in themselves, just. <<You can't be sad in heaven>>: Who says that sadness displeases God? Maybe God is a sadist. Who knows? Have you been to heaven? So how do you know if you can be sad there or not.

Jan: <<We are all far from being perfect>>: Speak for yourSELF, young lady! <<why do you feel as if you can't trust anyone here in the CR>>: I think when she said “here” she meant the geographical “here”. <<It's not intended to be malicious>>: I know that. Its just an interesting word (interesting in a funny way). <>: But God raining down holy fire on those that don’t believe in him is perfectly acceptable to you, right? And Jesus getting back up from the dead? And walking on water? And…you get the point. Its silly for you to have such faith in your Christian mythology and flat out deny the possibility of any other sort of mythos. Its all faith. <>: I’ve said the same thing about God. <<if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... this guy is still a habitual liar>>: Shouldn’t he be a duck? <<your question borders on being ridiculous>>: I agree.

Greg X: <<In this place there are of course only things which please God>>: If I set myself up as God, then can it be filled with things that please ME!? Sweet! <<No fornication, no excess of alcohol or drugs and certainly none of that evil rock music>>: No sex, no alcohol, no rock music? NO THANKS! <<All those who enjoy such things are condemned to hell, for their unrepentant enjoyment of things that displease God>>: There’s a party goin’ down… <<doesn't that just stock Hell up with sluts, rock stars and party animals>>: And CR dwellers ;-) <<Its not like you can OD again>>: I may actually try some stuff in Hell then. No consequences! <<Sending sinners to hell is like sending kids to their room. That's where all their toys are.>>: Brilliant! When people tell me I’m going to hell, I say “yeah, probably, and I’ll be runnin’ the joint inside two years. See ya there!”. <<It was a joke>>: No sh!t.

Siofra: <<Who just doubled her RAM>>: ME TOO! Isn’t it GREAT!? Its like moving from a 15x15’ dorm room into a 4-room apartment. <<now I'm running on 256mb>>: Bah! 384 in my laptop, soon to be 1152 in my tower. Desktop or laptop? RAM for either is really cheap, and if you use windows you might invest in more. Windows has good virtual memory management, but unfortunately its got slow hard drive management, so the benefits cancel out. <<Skinny, eh, more athletic, I'd say. I'm thin, but not scrawny, and actually have some muscle>>: As opposed to fat. Stop mincing words! That’s my job! ;-) <<Drool all you want>>: But not in front of the boyfriend ;-) <<someone I can relate to>>: I’m all of those but the left-wing liberal. Don’t relate to me. I bite. <>: He wasn’t saying that it was impossible. He was saying that HE couldn’t date a girl who is as strong in her convictions about a religion that opposes his. <<are you implying that he will convert her and all will be well>>: All would only be well if they stay together and no one gets converted. <<unless someone decides to tell me I personally am going to Hell>>: Hey, you can hang with me! It’ll be fun!

Moochie: Welcome back! How was summer camp? <<we've been debating hell since I last looked in, eh>>: I think Lain is transmitting her accent orally. <<someone was going to accuse one or both of us of "pushing faith on others">>: If I thought it could be done to Lain, I might.

Azrael: Greg and I were wondering when you’d come in! Welcome back. <>: Then, my friends, the real party begins!

Time to enter the dreamtime, my friends. See you there.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
-Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt), Fight Club

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, eh?
Friday, August 10, 2001 01:12:20 AM
IP: hse-toronto-ppp255355.sympatico.ca

Man... this place sucks when people go to sleep! ;)
Fire Storm - [jeremycbcd@usa.net]
Friday, August 10, 2001 01:12:06 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

I don't have time to talk about this right now, but I did have one thing to say: Gunjack, no one has claimed anyone is trying to convert anyone, cause a)the Real Debate hasn't started yet (I'll try in a while, though) and b) I haven't thrown in my two cents yet. It's been a while since I've had a good theological/metaphysical debate.
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Thursday, August 9, 2001 11:04:51 PM
IP: 63.170.182.2

Lain><<...and i think my only consolation is that he doesnt have internet and cant read this... well, yet anyway.>> I can't? o.O

Just kidding, love... ; ) ...Apparently, we DO have internet. It's slow, has an ad bar, and dumps your connection every half hour, but it IS internet.
<> If you can hold out till this evening, I can call YOU. : P ...One of the few things I can get away with using all my newfound cash for, ne'?

Hooey! And we've been debating hell since I last looked in, eh? This'd be a really great one to get into, if I weren't in the middle of a summer cold, hadn't spent all last night discussing hell and chekists, and hadn't woken up this morning just in time to have blood samples taken.

Okay, okay, maybe I WILL comment. Just not yet.

Oh yeah, and Dave? When I saw yer first post to lain, I was gonna offer you ten to one odds that someone was going to accuse one or both of us of "pushing faith on others"...
Any takers?

(much) more later, as soon as it's convinient.
Gunjack "Gorillas of Groove" Valentine
Thursday, August 9, 2001 07:06:11 PM
IP: dialup-64.157.119.104.dial1.dallas1.level3.net

*Leans in*

lain: I'd love to be able to say "oh, so THAT explains the busy signal"...but the truth is, I fell asleep before the time I planned to call you at. (You said something about getting off work at 10, right?) I guess there was just something in all our mental calendars that marked yesterday as "call lain day". :P
...and did you get my last email?

It's really disturbing how many times I've woken up before 5 am in the last week.

*gone*
Lynati Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Thursday, August 9, 2001 07:01:39 PM
IP: 207.226.219.99

Ack! I ... can't... stay... away!!

Jan> <sigh> I guess I just can't understand the difference between "It's right that certain people go to hell" and "It's good that certain people go to hell". You claim the former but object to the latter. Why? If Hell is good to exist, then how can it not be good that it is populated? And if Hell's existence is not good, then why did God have it exist?

If God decided that your family ought to go to hell, then God was clearly correct in his decision. Why should you not be happy about a correct decision?

For that matter, you are in *heaven*. You can't be sad in heaven, even if you know that billions of other souls are in hell. Therefore either a) You ought to be sad in heaven (contradiction) or b) You oughtn't be sad.

And I sincerely hope that you only punished your children to *teach* them something. This does *NOT* apply to the never-ending Hell. The sinners don't go there to be taught *anything*.

And let me close this (I hope finally this time) with one of my favourite quotes, by Tolkien. "If we are indeed the Children of the One, then He will not suffer Himself to be deprived of His own, not by any Enemy, not even by ourselves. This is the last foundation of Estel (Hope), which we keep even when we contemplate the End: Of all His designs the issue must be for His Children's joy."

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, August 9, 2001 06:50:19 PM
IP: athe530-p063.otenet.gr

Question: Who just doubled her RAM?

Answer: ME! ME! OOOH! Me!

Hehehehe, now I'm running on 256mb :-) Ahh, the good things in life.

Josh: <<Which has ZERO chance of making it to G2k2 if you’re flying. SJ, on the other hand, will be driving>> If I can make it, who said I wouldn't be driving? ;-)
<<short skinny elf-shaped girl>> Short, yes. Elf-like, at times. Skinny, eh, more athletic, I'd say. I'm thin, but not scrawny, and actually have some muscle :-)

Warpmind: <<Why do I sense that flattery will get me nowhere? ;)>> Drool all you want, but I'm happily taken ;-)

Spike: Very cool! That is such an honor, and I'm sure you will never forget it :-)

Lain: <<evil heathen left-wing liberal ways-of-the-damned >> Ooh, someone I can relate to! ;-) I understand where you are coming from. I'm an athiest, and my boyfriend is a Christian. His family is really involved in thier church and everything, but he isn't as much as they are. It bothers him a little that I don't believe in his God, but he loves me just the same. He hasn't tried to convert me or anything, and I feel kind of guilty that I try and do it to him sometimes. But then I realize that I'm not trying to change his way of life or anything, I'm more trying to get him to look at some issues from a different angle (abortion, same-sex marriage, etc...) His parents don't seem to mind yet either. I've known him and his family for over three years now, and we've been dating for over a year and a half, so they got to know me before I was the girlfriend. He had previously dated some girls from their church, and they didn't trust or like any of them :-) They really seem to like me for who I am, and I hope nothing changes there. Anyway, if you want to talk about it or maybe give each other some advice, e-mail me.

David G: I think it is entirely possible for a Christian to love an Athiest. And vice versa. It is when people are closed minded and don't allow for differences when the problems pop up. If you think this isn't possible, but you also think that Lain and Gunjack will work out their problems, are you implying that he will convert her and all will be well?

Greg: <<"Sending sinners to hell is like sending kids to their room. That's where all their toys are." LOL! That's great :-)

Anyway, no real flames intended. Apologies in advance, unless someone decides to tell me I personally am going to Hell :-)

Out for now, gonna go pick up some more RAM for my family's computer.

Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Thursday, August 9, 2001 06:37:57 PM
IP: pm497-05.dialip.mich.net

wow.. i have real talent.. i can spark religious debates without even TRYING..
sorry guys, i didnt mean to.
and i think its funny what you way about gunjack trying to
convert me. you should hear some of our conversations where it seems like IM trying to convert him.. to his OWN religion.. (both of us find this endlessly interesting)
im obsessing, now. i know i am. i have gunjack on the brain and i think my only consolation is that he doesnt have internet and cant read this... well, yet anyway.
*sigh*
i think i should spend money i dont have on a phone card and call him.. :*(

incidentally, i didnt mean i cant trust people in the CR, i worded that badly and im sorry. i meant that i cant trust the people who are physically around me. my so-called friends, parent etc. there is noone i can talk to - whenever i get really sad, or come home and just want to curl up or talk to someone, there isnt anyone here i can talk to. sure i can call emambu or josh or various other people in here but im a starving art student and i cant afford it. i made a good friend in my art class - but she moved away and i dont know when shes coming back. im not sure shes the type i would want to spill my guts to anyways. so in short, i DO trust you guys.. thats kinda why i shared all that with you. i wasnt intending to start a debate, so please no with the flame wars? noones started yet but it has potential.. and i dont want to get blamed for starting a flame war.. : (

warpmind>> you dont even want to KNOW what i think about spellcasting.. lets not go there..

in this vein, i think i will stay away from the GOD topic and just go and mope and fret about gunjack and what the heck is going on..

it took me half an hour to type that.. im guess i get slow when im mopey : P i usually type ALL my posts in a half hour but the comp is gonna kick me off any second now so i have to go.
love and thanks (as always),
lain
Thursday, August 9, 2001 06:33:57 PM
IP: 198.96.83.32

David G> It was a joke.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, August 9, 2001 06:33:12 PM
IP: dialin-1203-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Gah! And to show how tired I am: "who's" should be "whose"

Later, All!

Kyryn
Denton
Thursday, August 9, 2001 06:05:12 PM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

***Appears briefly from the shadows.***

Lady Mystic><Out of curiosity, during your time living together, did anyone you know have the opinion that the two of you would never get married? > LOL! Actually, half of our friends thought we were already married. The rest of them just figured that we would eventually get around to it.

SJ> <Star Wars next movie> No....send OUT the clones, please! BTW, since we're talking about wrestling a bit..I'll be happy to have milk with my pie, but no cookies please. LOL! Gotta get home and watch what happens tonight.

Spike> Congrats! Hey! Make sure that we know where and when you're going to be running. I'd love to come out and cheer you and your bro-in-law on. *blink* 160 days or so? Oh fuuun. Running through DFW streets in the middle of January? -- Temps and weather anywhere from 80F and clear to 5F and sleeting. *shrug* I'll still come out and cheer ya both on.

Jan> Rent just pays for your use of the space. The deposit is supposed to be for any damages/repairs/ or wear and tear that the landlord has to make/fix that weren't already there when you moved in. If you're using the space, you'll still be liable for the rent. Now, if you're going to leave the window units there, you might want to see if the landlord would be willing to take the cost off your last month's rent, especially since you have a large amount of evidence that they've tried and failed to fix the ac problem and you had to spend your own money to do so. If not, then advertise and sell the units yourself and see if you can recoup some of their cost.

BTW, a friend found a funny site and passed it on to me. If you want to see how someone who's native language is not English can mangle the English language, check out the link.

Later, All!

***Kyryn fades back into the shadows***
Kyryn - [<<<---fun link]
Denton, TX
Thursday, August 9, 2001 05:50:42 PM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Greg> Fine as far as it goes, but in Hell there's no booze, drugs, or smokes, so you have a bunch of party animals who are deep into eternal withdrawl symptoms. Probably not very pleasant - and worse yet, you're getting a constant influx of people having hangovers and guys on bad LSD trips.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, August 9, 2001 05:36:38 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*Warpmind looks in, grinning sheepishly.*
Sorry 'bout that e-mail address... typo. Too used to the now-defunct usa.net addy... This is right. *Points to e-mail link.*

Jan: Heh, with spellcasting, you never know... even if what's regularly considered spellcasting doesn't work (and few over-the-counter spellbooks reveal anything reliable), there's always the odd person with some degree of PSI ability... ;) As for spellcasters being evil... no more than non-spellcasters, I'd say...

Gotta run; Futurama's on. Toodles!
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, August 9, 2001 05:33:53 PM
IP: mp-217-217-212.daxnet.no

Just to have a little fun with all this talk about Hell ;)

The Threat of Hell

by Tim Groth

Let's look at this for a moment. God, father of creation, has his Heaven. In this place there are of course only things which please God. No fornication, no excess of alcohol or drugs and certainly none of that evil rock music. All those who enjoy such things are condemned to hell, for their unrepentant enjoyment of things that displease God.

But wait a minute, doesn't that just stock Hell up with sluts, rock stars and party animals? Groups like that tend to enjoy getting together. So Hell must be a non stop party place. Sure it may be a little hot, but get enough liquor and drugs into you and whose going to notice? Its not like you can OD again.

So every time someone tells me that I'm going to Hell I quote myself and say, "Sending sinners to hell is like sending kids to their room. That's where all their toys are."
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, August 9, 2001 05:26:13 PM
IP: dialin-1203-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Aris> no I would not be happy if my loved ones went to hell. Why would that make me happy? To know that they are going to such an awful place for eternity... I'm sorry and no offense, but your question borders on being ridiculous.
On a lesser level, it would be like asking parents if they are happy to punish their children just because the child broke the rules and they need to have the consequences applied. *blinks* With the exception of those abusive and sadistic parents - no parent likes to punish their child, but it becomes necessary at times. I HATED spanking my children or punishing them, but I knew it was necessary.
No, I would not be happy to see a loved one go to hell because they made the wrong decisions in life.

Warpmind> I attempted to send you an email at the address given, but it was sent back to me with the "permanent error" message. ??
Jan
Thursday, August 9, 2001 05:21:30 PM
IP: modem16-19.mo-net.com

Hell> To make a clarification (since both the people who answered me seemed to be replying to the wrong question). I didn't question the necessity of hell. (I do question it actually, but that was not my point)

My point was this: Let's say that you die alongside all your family in an accident. Pearly gates, etc, etc, and God tells you "You go to heaven but all your family goes to hell."

According to my reasoning that I gave below, there's absolutely no reason to feel sorry since it's just and right and proper and loving, etc, that they so go to hell. In fact you must be *happy* that your family went to hell, since that's the correct place for them to go.

Is that so? And if not, why?

Okay, back to lurking for good this time.

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, August 9, 2001 05:13:14 PM
IP: athe530-u133.otenet.gr

David> excellent post, my friend :) You're right on the target.

Aris> God is merciful and forgiving - but He has rules. (just as parents have rules for their children) You break the rules, you suffer the consequences, which in God's case, it's hell. When you're dealing with eternity and spirituality you're in the big leagues and not something to mess around with. Once you're dead and it's judgement time, there are no more chances... that's the final boarding call.
And no, Hell is not a good place to end up at. Also, belief in God alone will not keep you from hell - you must also follow His rules and try to be the best Christian that you can be. We are all far from being perfect (sorry to burst your bubbles, Josh and SJ) ;) and it's ok because God is forgiving.
I don't want to get into any type of religious debate so I'm going to shut up about this now. *zips lips and duct tapes fingers*

Lain> I don't know what to tell you, hon. Sometimes it just takes time to get over certain issues. In time, hopefully you and Gunjack can work thru the differences. It's ok to agree to disagree. :) Trust me, I know about this one! *L*
Speaking of trust.. why do you feel as if you can't trust anyone here in the CR?

Kathy> I'm glad to hear that your shoulder/back is doing better! How did you injure it?

Christine> congrats on the newest arrivals into your family! What did they name the babies? Are they identical or fraternal twins? *giggles* how exciting! well, for other people to have twins - not Anna. *L*
I hope you are right about nuture over nature. I do know that certain characteristics could surface in the child, but hopefully I will have a better handle on them and can squelch them before they become to the same extent as Anna's did.

Josh> no, the baby won't be stupid.
Calling SJ a goober... he knows that I love him and we are friends. :) It was just a humorous type comment. I call everyone goober at some point. It's not intended to be malicious.

Warpmind> <<but I'm saying be CAREFUL with untutored spellcasting), I'd be sure to watch my back>> I have no fear of ANY spellcasting. I don't believe in any such things. I know that there are people who do and who attempt to cast spells on others. To me, it's gibberish and has no effect on me. *shrugs* I have read a few "spell" books - I found them in Anna's room after she ran away. I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes at it. I couldn't believe that people actually fall for this kind of stuff. I also found her tarot cards... it's hard to play gin rummey with them ;) I do believe that there are evil people in this world, but on the average, the regular Joe/Jane Smith are not and they don't have any type of powers. *shrugs* just my opinion on it.

I agree with the comments made concerning one's reputation. I forgot who said that it seems as if the one's with a bad reputation are the one's who says it doesn't matter... bingo! Ohwell, I'm not going to continue any discussion with this guy on the forums because he's still in denial. I say if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... this guy is still a habitual liar.

My family went to eat at a wonderful steak house last night! Delicious!! The food was even tastier because my uncle paid for it ;) *L* He won over $4,000 at the crap tables in Shreveport this past weekend and decided to take us all out to eat. Tonight I'm taking the kids to the Rib House for some of the best ribs this side of Barry county. :) Even if I would, it's too hot to cook here. This apartment is still like an oven in places that the window units don't reach.

Which also brings me to this moral dilemma that I'm having with myself right now. I haven't paid the rent yet for this month.... this is my last month here. I have a deposit on the apt. for the same amount as the rent and I don't know if I'm going to receive it back - you can never tell with landlords if they will refund it or not. Plus, I've spent $300 of my own money just making it bearable in here with the window units. Now, to their credit, they have been sending the AC guy out here whenever I would call and complain about the heat - but yet they can't seem to fix the problem and we wilt from the heat in the meantime.
Should I not pay the rent for this month and call it even or pay the rent and swallow the $300 for the window units? If I hadn't had to buy the window units, I wouldn't have hesitated in paying the rent and then taking my chances of receiving the deposit back (or take them to small claims court). I have no use for the window units after moving from here, so it's not like I can use them elsewhere afterwards. I guess if I'm going to withhold rent because of the window units, I should leave them here, huh? See why I'm in a dilemma? *squeaks* help!

gotta' run, I'm almost finished with another set of window curtains and I want to complete them before leaving for supper.

Jan
Thursday, August 9, 2001 04:54:25 PM
IP: modem16-19.mo-net.com

===============
Umm... given that God is supposed to be all-just and all-merciful and stuff like that, if you think that someone is going to hell, *WHY* would you feel sorry they would go there? Wouldn't it be extremely just and right and proper that they would go there?
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Well, I accept the necessity of Hell. I'm not sure I can explain it adequately, though. The way it works (at least the way I believe it works - other people have different opinions) is that God has a Plan for the universe. It's not a step-by-step plan, more like a guiding vision. For his Plan to mean anything, he had to allow the possibility that the universe would deviate from it. Hell is the consequence for deviating from the plan. God doesn't WANT anybody to go to Hell, but he has to let them if they refuse to be saved.

As a Christian, I don't want anybody to go to Hell either. It's my job (one I do very poorly) to try to convince people to change the course of their lives so that they will no longer be going there.

However, once someone dies and is condemned to Hell, they're beyond God's grace, and pretty much beyond my consideration. Up until then, they're fair game though.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, August 9, 2001 04:52:23 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*Warpmind enters, looking grim.*
Okay, today is NOT a good day... Today, I learned that some of the local bumpkins are suspecting me of being guilty of raping a schoolgirl here... which I did not do, obviously. What really irks me is that a) the VICTIM debunks the vile accusations against me, b) the POLICE OFFICE debunks the accusations, and c) it happened on July 3rd... WHEN I WAS AT LAIN'S! *Sigh* Witchhunts in the style of the Spanish Inquisition... gotta love'em... :( Logic, truth and innocence is suddenly unimportant, as long as there's someone to punish. And I'm sitting here, in the relative safety of my own home, pondering the odds of the person starting the slanting campaign (as I choose to percieve this) against me being personally involved in the rape, as well... Would be too obvious for fiction, but since this is Real Life... *Sigh*

Stephen: Dunno; haven't seen The Blob. Which is a pity, really...

Xanathar: Mononoke, huh? Great acting by Keith David, huh? :)

Spike: WOW! Congrats! Think you're up for it? ;)

Lain: You're sure you don't have my Nookie Monster? *Gripe* Dangit; hope I find that card... that was a GOOD card... :(

Christianity/Hell debate: Okay, last Sunday, the bishop of the region held the sermon here... and a few things were pointed out. Humans are let into Heaven as a boon of mercy through Christ. The Mercy of Christ is infinite. During the three days Jesus was dead, he went to the reign of death (as I recall it, the term "Hell" isn't really used that early) and released all the souls there, shipping them off to Heaven. Hell itself isn't as much a storage facility for the dead, as it is a void far away from God's presence. Apparently, as far as I understand the scriptures, the only ones ever sent to Hell are Lucifer and the other fallen angels, who, after all, REALLY f***ed up their relations to God. CONCLUSION: All humans, after death, go to heaven, according to the Bible. Even people who thoroughly do not deserve it, such as Hitler, Stalin and Mengele. Even atheists. (Of course, were this the Discworld, things would be a little bit different, since, as everyone knows, on the Discworld, the gods deliberately go around and throw bricks through the windows in houses where atheists live.) In other words: There's no need to really actively market Christianity to disinterested people; they're getting to Heaven anyway. (Unless, of course, the Bible is wrong about the whole thing, and we reincarnate instead.) *Gasp* Okay, I think I've said enough...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, August 9, 2001 04:48:45 PM
IP: mp-217-217-212.daxnet.no

David G.> "I can't speak for Valentine, but if I really loved someone and I thought they were going to go to Hell, I'd want to do anything I could to change their course."

Umm... given that God is supposed to be all-just and all-merciful and stuff like that, if you think that someone is going to hell, *WHY* would you feel sorry they would go there? Wouldn't it be extremely just and right and proper that they would go there?

Sorry, that's just the question I've never been given a satisfactory answer to. If Hell exists, then God by definition created it. If He created it then it must be good that it exists. And therefore it's good that people who go there do indeed go there. And therefore you must be *happy* that these people go there. It's the place for them.

Therefore why would a Christian be unhappy that someone will go to Hell? I don't get it.

And btw, 'God is needed to save you from hell' may be universally accepted by Christians, but it's *way* different from 'Belief in God is needed to save you from hell': Not all Christians believe that God will condemn all non-believers. I'd doubt that even a majority of Christian does.

Okay, that's all... I'm back to lurking.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, August 9, 2001 04:18:13 PM
IP: athe530-o033.otenet.gr

lain> You can trust me. Of course that's really easy to say, and I don't trust anybody, so I don't really think you're going to believe me, but you can trust me all the same.

I have no frame of reference in which to comment on how being with Gunjack makes you feel. I can comment on your religious differences, though.

It's really going to be hard for a Christian to love an Athiest and not try to convert her. For myself, I've decided that I won't date anyone who has really strong views on religion if they disagree with my own. That's a fight I'm not willing to wage every day of my life.

See, the thing is, a Christian believes that Hell is a real thing, and that it's absolutly incomprehensibly terrible.

Every once in a while I get my mind wrapped a little way around the concept of Hell, and I break out into a cold sweat.

Seriously.

Christians believe that the only way to escape eternity in Hell is to be saved by God. (Note: God doesn't send people to Hell, they were already going there anyway. God SAVES people FROM Hell.) So, I can't speak for Valentine, but if I really loved someone and I thought they were going to go to Hell, I'd want to do anything I could to change their course. If one of my friends became a Christian and then wanted to break off all contact with me, I'd be really sad, but I'd consider that a cheap price to pay.

Valentine might feel differently about the whole thing, and this is an issue that the two of you will have to work out. I just wanted to try to give you a different point of view. I honestly think you CAN work out your differences. There's not enough happiness in the world that I'm willing to give up on any of it easily.

And seriously - you can trust me and I'll be willing to listen as long as you need to talk.
David G. (who hopes this post has done more good than harm) - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, August 9, 2001 02:33:11 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*grumbles into the room and flops down on the nearest couch*
didnt get much sleep last night. was up till at LEAST 4am having a REALLY BIG argument with gunjack and i feel kinda sad and lonely and kinda sorta hollow. *sigh* and i miss human contact. : ( (im a very physical person.. i like to hug people.. and snuggle.. and curl up and fall asleep leaning on people i trust (or vice versa) and there isnt anyone here that i trust. i mean, moochie snuggles are AWESOME but id snuggle with anyone i trusted. )

*********HERE, CR! HAVE SOME MORE LAIN-IS-DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP ISSUES!!********
(sorry sj.. no scandalous sex in here, either..)

we didnt really argue about "us" though. we ranted and raved about abortion, gun control, killer instinct, whether or not the bible is the word of GOD - and if it makes a difference, whether or not baptism reeeeeally matters and if GODs THAT petty, if it is possible for the "word of GOD" to be corrupted, whether or not all checkists (sp?) should die horrible lingering deaths, if it was right to kill frogs with bb guns, nurture vs. nature, de-evolution and chickens with teeth, whether or not rape causes more pregnancies than consentual sex and why.. and it got all nice and personal and we still dont agree on ANYTHING. in some ways its really rather funny that we dont agree but in other ways i feel bad cos i KNOW im trying to convert him to my evil heathen left-wing liberal ways-of-the-damned (: P)and i dont feel thats right or that i should be doing that - and on the other hand i wonder if hes doing the same to me (cept from the other side..) and then i wonder about the "i love you.. now change" problem.
i worry a lot, dont i? but thats not even half of it yet.

and then theres this other disturbing thing that happens beacuse whenever i think about gunjack and being with gunjack in any way beyond snuggling (and, for the information of the comment room, this involves smooching at length but nothing beyond that.. (ive heard a rumour that some people think weve had sex and.. no. and im not even talking the "bill clinton" definition of whats not sex. im talking not even close.. just thought id clear that up.. someone should go console sj..) but it all seems to get overshadowed and infected somewhere in my brain with what happened last year and the assault and other past stuff. and sometimes i find myself not wanting to look at gunjack during said smooching because im afraid hell have the same angry, feral look in his eyes that still haunts and terrifies me. and i feel almost like i am detaching myself because i want it to be okay. i dont think thats so good and i dont know what to do about it. its kinda hard to address these kinds of issues when the person who wants/needs to help you with it is.. you know... in texas when youre in canada.
and another thing.. sometimes he writes in letters or talks to me about my body. and for some reason, this makes me insanely nervous. i think its completely irrational because i imagine most "normal" people in relationships do that all the time and like it. on one hand, it makes me feel reeeeaaaally sexy cos someone thinks what he thinks about me but on the other hand, im petrified and creeped out that someone thinks the things he does about me. i dont particularly feel objectified or anything like that but it still makes me feel slightly uneasy. i feel like theres something wrong with me. (mind you i think that MOST of the time..)

**********END MORE-THAN-YOU-EVER-WANTED-TO-KNOW-ABOUT-LAIN-AND-GUNJACK**********

*sigh* thanks for listening, that actually feels kinda better.

warps>> as written in the above, im sure you can tell i am NOT in posession of your nookie monster.. sorry.. i hope you find him, though.

josh>> sorry about premature judgements.. i still love you.. (if that helps..) but im confused and dysfunctional so you wouldnt want to run off with me anyways.. even if i DIDNT say "oot". im sorry, i didnt mean to offend.. : (

sj>> isnt the ""I'm saving myself for marriage" puritanical / repressed-sexually-cause-he's-a-Catholic upbringing" exactly what COULD make it interesting?? ; )
and.. your lesson of the day SUCKS!!!!!.. though its true, having lots of love is lots of work. but i wont take your advice and ill just go on loving everyone like i do. even you, you big ol' jerk!!
ps. i want your phone number. i have the phone numbers of four of my five favourite CR guys and.. yours is the only one im missing.. its not like i can afford to call you cos im a starving art student and all but it would be nice to dream.... ; )

*pounces on kit and doug* YAY!!!!! *steps back, is impressed, and then continues to hug* glad youre back! i missed you! *hug hug hug hug*

niamhgold>> yes yes, i will be careful, thanks : ) i am feeling better already, actually.

on a final note, i DO feel like the most popular person in the universe cos i talked to josh, emambu (who is soooo cuuuuuuuute btw) AND gunjack in ONE NIGHT!!! and they all called ME!! you people had better be careful or my ego might start taking over.. see? im not so depressed after all. you know all will be well when you can still laugh ; )

love you guys, and thanks,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Thursday, August 9, 2001 01:58:54 PM
IP: sunset.lib.uwo.ca

ow could I for get my dear friend and ex-roomie Warp the Bald
Disney... sucks? (Blinks and looks around) And for a moment I thought I was somewhere else. I think most people if not all have this unsaid desire to beat Disney Exec with Louisville Sluggers.
];)
Revel
Thursday, August 9, 2001 12:59:03 PM
IP: ac8a1035.ipt.aol.com

This is why I should be like Josh and post every day i can because now I am behind. Sometimes I get locked out but that's still an excuse.

Spike- Big congrats. If you like I can transport with me the best cross-training bike there is, a one gear schwinn with coster brakes!

Christine- Congrats to you as well although Warp can have my cigar, I don't smoke. Now just think of how you can spoil someone elses kids because they're not yours.

Josh- I am totally in agreement with you. Who on this whole big ol' planet has not had a bad relationship. Stop singing it people we all know the tune and yes, it sucks!
My opinion of course.

Lady Mystic- CIA huh? If they are watching us they have too much time and too much of our money.

"I heard that."
-Louie's Dad from Life with Louie-

Later, but hopefully not too much next time
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Thursday, August 9, 2001 12:54:59 PM
IP: ac8a1035.ipt.aol.com

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Anonymous
Thursday, August 9, 2001 12:46:09 PM
IP: ac8a1035.ipt.aol.com

After a week of living with the sensation of having a broomstick impaled under my shoulder blade I am very pleased to report that whatever I pulled/tore/mangled in my back is healing. Yippee for me!

Various Replies:

So what if Bush is taking a vacation. Congress is out of session. It gives him a month to fine tune his agenda and policy proposals for the fall term.

Chainmail: Strangely, while looking at craft books the other night we ran across a metalworking book that covered making your own. (I don't recall the title, but if you have a lot of free time it's an option)

Christine: Many congratulations on the expansion of your extended family.

Stephen > You think being written up for two bucks is bad? Try working for a bank.

Love Triangles: It's pretty obvious that there are multiple sides to this and every story. Best of luck in moving on to all concerned. Ditto to those nursing old wounds.

Josh > I hope you shake that Canadian accent when you get back to the States. I picked one up in Edmonton and it took a week to let go.

Happy Birthday to all the recent celebrants... although Robby I quit marking the day years ago just because like all holidays we put such great expectations on the day. If something huge doesn't happen then the natural reaction is to feel let down. Better the notion if something happens: very cool. If nothing happens then no biggie.

Anyway onward. I've got to try and find a tree service that actually shows up to give estimates.

Cheers!

kathy
Thursday, August 9, 2001 08:29:25 AM
IP: client114039.atl.mediaone.net

Fate is strange creature and it likes to play Twister with you.....

Remember when I announced that I'd written an essay to nominate my bro-in-law John (the leukemia survivor) to be an Olympic torchbearer and he won? Well, apparently (an I'm *still* in shock) the committee picks the second round of torchbearers by going back over the essays and inviting the writers of the best ones to be torchbearers TOO.

*brief pause for panic attack*

So after the hubs and the bro-in-law talked me into it, I get to carry the Olympic torch somewhere between Ft. Worth and Dallas around 160 someodd days from now. Fortunately, John gets to do the distance running (he does marathons) and I get to be a 'static point'(whatever that is) and pass the torch from the previous distance runner so I'll probably be doing less than a mile.

And I *would* get this news the very week I go back to the gym!! What a world, what a world....
Spike
Thursday, August 9, 2001 08:19:45 AM
IP: adsl-208-190-39-207.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Hi all!!
As I write this I'm also watching the Princess Mononke DVD on my other computer,what a unique experience(not to mention a little confusing. ;) )
Thank-you to all who offered birthday wishes,it was much appreiciated.:)

Sorow:*hugs tightly* check your email,you've never been a dissapointment to me,Happy Queen.

Green Baron:<<But you saw a lot of countryside and sheep I bet :)>>And Kangaroo's and desert and insects etc.... ;)

Niamhgold:<<Kemo sucks, real bad. According to my mom, both my grandparents tried it and it didn't work. Kemo is a give-or-take treatment; it either gets rid of the cancer or worsens it (or causes a different kind). Urg.>>I agree with you whole-heartedly.

Wapmind:<<By the way, omething occured to me about the Druid... if it were possible to set a specific attack order for the summoned ravens... first the skeletal magi, then the skeletal archers and so on... would that be establishing a new pecking order? };)>>LOL!,I don't usually like puns but that was a good one! :)

Josh:<<As we say in the tech support business: RTFM!>>ROFL!:)<<You left it FOR someone!? That was a huge mistake. If a woman asks you to leave your friends for her, you say "bye, woman!". NEVER leave your friends.>>Agreed,It was a mistake,but she never asked me to leave,I left to devote all my time to her,I was naieve,but thats all in the past and the person in question isn't worth worrying about anymore(I don't say this out of anger but out of the fact that she's not comming back,so worrying is pointless.)I've gotten back on with my life and come back here.Besides,I have a very close and dear friend who has always made me feel better.(which makes me feel stupid now for feeling down last week,I will never be lonely with friend so special.)

Shadowrider:welcome back!

SJ:<<Do you get MTV or VH1? And if so, have you seen all of the props that Nirvana has been receiving lately? It's like, everyone finally realized how good and influential that group (and that album) really were. People are putting Kurt Cobain right up on a pedestal with John Lennon and Hendrix. I'm not complaining, but it is rather depressing to look back to just 10 years ago and realize that at that point in time a talented guy like Cobain was ruling the airwaves and now those airwaves are spewing out endless Limp Bizkit songs. Or Kid Rock songs. Or Uncle Kracker songs ("Look kids! Here's a remarkable exhibit to our freak show-Uncle Kracker! See, he has tattoos---yet he's a pussy! Isn't that fascinating?"). Rock isn't dead, it just hit it's head on something hard and has become brain damaged.>>I used to get MTV(Before I switched to a different cable company)but I know what you are talking about,"Smells like Teen Spirit"always wins the award for greatest song of the nineties,always :),and I agree with you,mainstream rock seems to have sold it's soul to the marketing executives but there is still original stuff to be found if you look hard enough,ever heard of a band called "Regurgitator",I love their stuff.(and of course Nine Inch Nails as always. ;) )

I better go now,take care everyone.

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Thursday, August 9, 2001 08:19:23 AM
IP: cpe-203-45-26-71.vic.bigpond.net.au

Greetings all... just a breif pop-in before I head off to work:

CHRISTINE - Congrats once again!

KIT - Hello, and good to see you posting. Tell Doug to drop me an e-mail sometime, k?

NIAMGOLD - Thanks1 I'll take any Atta-boys when I deserve them. ^_^

HEATHER/GB - Well, technically I don't hate you for what you did... i mean, it's rotten at how some of what went on played out, but fortunately the three of you are still with us and I hope each one of you will be happy in your future endeavors (high-sign to Robby!)... You two kids look out for each other, and don't be a stranger in here, k?

ROBBY - Like I said before, chin up man! Things will continue to improve for you. Trust me.

WARPMIND - <blink!> A ticklefight with Fredrick Kruger? Is that anything like wrestling with the Blob? (the old movie monster type) ^_^

SJ - Well, anytime the slings and arrows aren't pointed in my direction is a good time... unless I deserve what's coming to me. Usually if I make a mistake, i'll be the first one to claim responsibility for it. Just as well, I'd rather watch you flinging barbs at others than at me... but if I'm to be the target (exposes T-Shirt with a large bullseye on the front) Go right ahead. ^_^

CRZYJEN - <<Hey Stephen! Remember this?? [RADIO EDIT] - Greg Weisman, G99">>

Excuse me for sounding completely Off Character here, guys, but Jen...dahling...What the F*@$ what that about? Hm, unless you're a bit miffed about my applause to SJ's parting shot, perhaps? Well, take Wurzel's advice and get over yourself... or, perhaps I'd just better follow Robin William's advice and let the biggest jerk have the last word. ^_^

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, August 9, 2001 07:19:01 AM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

*Warpmind enters, looking grumpy.*
You guys know something? Disney sucks. Now I just got myself a copy of some new magazine they're making, titled "Witch". The reason I bought it is, of course, my interests in occultism; I figured, if they print things in the magazine that seems risky (and no, I'm not condemning witchcraft, but I'm saying be CAREFUL with untutored spellcasting), I'd be sure to watch my back. If the magazine was implausible (from an occult point of view), there'd be little to worry about. So I start reading. What I find is a wholly peculiar plot about five girls who have somehow gained elemental powers; one element each, and are trying to prevent some sort of intrusion from another dimension, by blocking some kind of gateways. On the whole, I'd say this is a cute-ified crossbreed between GateCrasher and Captain Planet... *Sigh* What I wouldn't happily sacrifice to get my hands on Eisner and a vast array of suffering implementation utilities...

Anyway, on to post.

GB: So if Crzy and SJ are Londo and G'Kar, who's got the parasite and who's got the cybernetic eye? };)

Lain: Nope, no Net Nookie for you. And I seem to have misplaced my Nookie Monster; I didn't leave it at your apartment, by any chance? :|

Siofra: Why do I sense that flattery will get me nowhere? ;)

Niamhgold: Hear, hear... *Wry grin* Y'know, I've found out I've been getting a reputation as a weirdo. Wonder why? };)

Crzy: Oh, suuuuure. ;)

Lady Mystic: If you're getting chainmail, be warned: the one I rented at G'01 was priced at 800$, and that was CHEAP! (Apparently, made by really, really, really low-income laborers.) And it was also aluminum; unless you regularly wear more than 50 pounds of clothes, I'd not recommend you get anything heavier than aluminum. And you need padding underneath, too. Not much (I managed just fine with a good shirt), but I'd really not recommend chainmail against bare skin. (Then there was the issue of those boxers...)

Josh: My replacement? Oh, just this guy I knew back during the WWII... he was often referred to as an angel around the Nazi camps... };)

Oh, well, that about concludes my post... And I'm not linking to anything *particularly* interesting today, just a disappointment for me... :/ Later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@usa.net]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, August 9, 2001 05:50:48 AM
IP: garibaldi.ti.telenor.net

Hmm. not much time to say anything due to [Classified]. When the time comes, [Classified comment].

I got up around 3:00pm so you can guess why no earlier rely.

On to replies: what a tangled web we weave

Imzadi - MPs - Multiple Personalities.

Why is unemployment income subject to federal income taxes? I was told that if I opted to have my federal income tax withhold from my partial unemployment, the rate would be 15%. Time out. I don't expect to make over $20,000 this year. 15% is just a little STEEP.

Lady Mystic <<CIA watching the TGS CR>> What if someone from the CIA was reading or posting in this CR as a means of enjoyment or whatnot and not as part of his/her job, duty or assignment? In you opinions, would that still classify as the "CIA watching the TGS CR"?> Depends, is there poster/lurker who works for the CIA? *Pulls out night vision goggles and spots a few people raising their hand in the darkest corner of the CR. Suddenly, gets hit on the head and all night vision goggles from the CR are removed before being able to identify the people.* I thought so. Yep, it does classify if they are at least 2 posters/lurkers who work for the CIA.

Kit - good to see you back.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, August 9, 2001 03:07:19 AM
IP: max1-30.cwy.cei.net

::walks into the CR, listening to Propellerhead’s “DecksandDrumsandRockandRoll”::

God, I love techno spy-music. Nothing beats it for driving or working. Not even Classical. Not even Linkin Park. Not even TOOL, SJ!

Today I went to work with Paul after waking up at the semi-respectable hoor of 11AM. We went to go check oot this landfill site and drive aroond to see some eroded bluffs. I learned a little aboot what Geotechnical Engineers actually DO, and I get to start considering if that’s a path I want to take. We’ll see. I still think I want to go to law school. It was basically a really long drive aroond the Greater Toronto Area full of history as it relates to the kind of environmental engineering that Paul’s firm does. Pretty interesting.

Afterwards, we checked oot an Apple Reseller to see if I could make the worthless Canadian dollar work for me. I failed on the hardware front, but I got a couple magazines cheap (plus I get my tax refunded, which made it even cheaper). Tomorrow I’m gonna call and get a quote on my laptop. How cool would it be to walk in with my laptop and walk oot with a shiny new iBook?

Then Paul and I went to dinner on Toronto’s equivalent of Telegraph avenue, where all the stoned hippies hang oot and buy stuff from sidewalk stands. We met Donna’s partner, John, and after a couple beers (I actually finished my SECOND beer ever) had a great dinner.

Didn’t get a chance to work on my website tonight, but I did learn that Appleworks starts up pretty quickly with 384 megs of RAM.

On to replies!

Jan: <<you goober>>: Goober? How interesting. I wonder how SJ will react to that. <>: Like, say…stupidity? <<you voted for Nader? I'm not surprised>>: Just oot of curiosity, why do you say that? <<too many idiots and not enough bullets>>: Oh, there’s plenty of bullets. The problem is that there aren’t enough smart people with good aim. ;-)

Lady Mystic: Welcome back! <<The CR Archive has been updated>>: It really is amazing how fast you get the CR updated. I’m very impressed. <>: I agree. The trick, as Wolf and I discussed last night, is monitoring/administrating it. Do we just add that to the list of CR Admin-ly duties? Cuz that might suck for them. <<willing to accommodate this data in it's own section in TGS CR Information>>: We were thinking that it wouldn’t necessarily have to be on the TGS site. I could host it and just have a link to it on the TGS info page. That way if Gorebash doesn’t want to approve it for whatever reason, we can do it anyway. <>: Looking forward to hearing your ideas. << Yes, because we have an idea of when we will be getting married. No, because we don't have an official engagement ring yet due to financial reasons>>: I see. << Is it just me or has that become one of your taglines>>: Its just you. My taglines are things like “Eagles may soar, but weasels don’t get sucked into jet engines” or “I am the most brilliant man in the universe”. ;-) << Trust me when I say that my father is naturally very conservative>>: No, I don’t think I can trust you on that one. Even though I’ve known you for 6 months and you live with your father, something aboot that statement just rings false. ;-) << Are you sure the Gathering really existed>>: Fairly certain. However, if the people didn’t, then was I just walking aroond the halls of the Sheraton by myself? And if so, who validated my parking? << It's hard to get enough personal time at my hoose withoot being interrupted>>: I believe at this point its appropriate to say “its all aboot priorities”. << usually break my train of thought>>: You could write them over a long period of time, like I do. << Like he ever smelled real Napalm at any time>>: LOL! << Thanks for asking me directly>>: No problem. You seemed to take serious offense when I didn’t. I won’t make that mistake again. << What loaded slowly>>: The front page. Though it could truly just be the computer. Ask me again when I get home. << things wouldn't get done aroond here if it weren't for me>>: I have a similar role in my apartment. << would that still classify as the "CIA watching the TGS CR"?>>: Absolutely! If he can report what we say to someone who can do something, it coonts. << FS purposefully refrained from answering said questions about me. He was hoping you would eventually notice and stop asking and saying such things>>: Don’t mind us, we’re just dense engineer-types. << run the risk of *actually* creating unintended rumors that may have damaging effects on certain people>>: Like anyone in history has ever cared aboot THAT! << it's not that bad, is it?>>: I think the girls in this room give the guys in this room WAY more credit than we deserve. When we say its that bad, just take oor word on it. We’ve lived it, you haven’t.

Sevarius, Jr: <<I'm so stupefied right now, I could be living a Disturbed song>>: Personally, my favorites are “The Game” and “The Sickness”. But I understand your frustration at this. <>: I assume you’ll be in the theatres nonetheless to see it. << Love Triangle Electric Boogaloo of Death>>: LOL! <>: Can’t we do a Celebrity Deathmatch? <>: I agree. << Robby, I can assume, feels as if he was screwed from behind and didn't even get a reach-around>>: Dontcha just hate that? << to give my opinion when it's obviously not been asked (but you'll get it anyway! So there>>: Ah, SJ, what would we do withoot you? << That's your lesson for today, kids: never love anyone. Apathy rules>>: God, you really ARE me! << just our luck. A love triangle, only this time, WITHOUT the scandalous sex>>: It almost makes the Love Triangle not worth the time to describe, doesn’t it? << because those two killed each other in the end>>: I can’t wait to see THIS fight…

Baldy: <<guess how many show up? TWO PERSONS! At about five minutes before closing time>>: I have nights like that at my tech support job. The difference is that I get paid when people walk in the door. But 5 minutes before closing…I’d rather they hadn’t come in at all. <<cancels Call Friend, Surf The Net, Net Nookie and Phone Nookie>>: No one wants to know, dude. <<is that a remote control in your hand in that pic>>: Or are you just happy to see me? <<sometimes an insidious, somewhat dextrous person is better than the usual Australopithecus variety found so easily>>: I agree. Who was your replacement? ;-)

Daniel Johnson: <<IT'S FRICKING HOT>>: Here too. Has the fan on your powerbook turned on yet? Speaking of which…time to check my ordering status ::poofs oot to go to the Apple Store::

::poofs back in:: Okay, now THIS is interesting: my tower has actually gone BACKWARDS in the shipping process! Two days ago it was “Being Assembled” (step 2) and now its “Being Reviewed” (step 1). I WANT MY F*CKING TOWER NOW GODD*MNIT!

Heather: <>: If you want to avoid flame wars, you should first avoid flaming. <<Now, Thomas will speak>>: I’m sure I don’t need to point oot the joke inherent in that line.

Green Baron: <>: Another one bites the dust… <<if they're true Liberals, they'll have an open mind, but we know better than that>>: Amen! At UC Berkeley, the “liberals” go aroond trashing conservatives’ displays and protest signs because they aren’t “open-minded” enough. What a joke! <<who would object to a Heston film festival in one of the rooms>>: A democrat. <<I'd vote for Bush over Hillary Clinton>>: Yeah, me too. <<Bush is raising my pay so I like him>>: He gave me a tax rebate. I still think he’s a moron. <<you two have more in common than you realize>>: LOL. I’m sure Crzy is cringing somewhere at that thought.

Saki: <<So what did ya guys think>>: Just oot of curiosity, how old are you? I ask because your “humor” wasn’t very funny to me, but then again I’m just one of those bitter people. As for the fic: it has an interesting idea (a fic that doesn’t feature Lex getting the snot kicked oot of him), but your execution leaves a bit to be desired. Your paragraphs are incoherent and random amalgamations of sentences that seem to have little to do with each other and you don’t really explore any sort of description of your characters. Also, you need to check your grammar and spelling…BADLY. The quotes need to be separated by more than just font. New lines of dialog start new paragraphs in this language. I can’t tell if your characters are talking or thinking to themselves. You may want to enlist the aid of an editor. I know, you think I hated it, but I really didn’t. It was just a little hard to read. <<remember I'm new to this so be gentle ok>>: Don’t worry, it only hurts the first time. Unless you refuse to make changes, in which case we all come back to haunt you. Oh, and that WAS gentle. You should see harsh… ;-)

Lain: <<id rather not start a flame war>>: I agree. It’s one thing to have a flame war aboot something interesting, like gun rights or free speech or whatever. But to have it between two people over a failed relationship is just…dumb. <<its NOT just ALL ice-cubes and polar bears up here you know>>: I knew that. Somewhere up here there had to be a law firm where my cousin works and a synagogue where they pray. ;-) <<not like youd have believed me that it actually DID get hot up here if you hadnt experienced it for yourself>>: Bah. Berkeley and LA are worse. <<dont you think liberals are at least good for making fun of>>: Depends on the liberals. I usually only think they’re funny if they’re the ones that go aroond tearing up Republican’s signs and interrupting their conventions because WE’RE not open minded enough for them. Other than that, those liberals are kind of dangerous. <<CANADA>>: You’re right. Canada means “ain’t nothing here” in Spanish. Much better. <<how long are you here till and what are the chances of us hanging out>>: I’m here until Monday afternoon…I don’t have a clue what the chances are. <<excruciating pain in my wrists>>: If you don’t stop that you’re gonna get hairy palms! <<honest... stop laughing at me, sj>>: Sure, and if I believe that Baldy’s got some swiss navy ships to sell me. <<maybe i should... run off with josh or something>>: I am not running of with ANYONE at this stage in my life, least of all some weirdo Canadian who can’t pronoonce “oot” correctly. <>: I’ll thank you not to make those kind of EXTREMELEY premature judgements of me. No one in here (thankfully) knows what I am capable of, and I’m going to keep it that way for as long as possible.

Queen of Pain: <<we are discussing Gregs posterior in the CR room>>: Next on Sick, Sad World! <<Whatever happen to "The Clone wars and "Rise of the Empire>>: Methinks Lucas has been rockin’ the ganj a bit much recently… <<It is offical Hell has frozen over>>: Sappy? LM? FS? Any confirmation of this?

CrzyDemona: <>: If SJ can have 4 kids and still look as good as you, I’ll be quite impressed. <<Someone stop me before somebody gets hurt>>: I don’t think they’re enough room in the CR archives to store your ego, my ego, and SJ’s ego. <>: Yeah, sure you did. We know aboot your close relationship to Greg’s butt. <>: LIAR. You are the world’s leading expert on Greg’s ass, which makes his wife very angry (I know, I spoke with her at length aboot it). << You could take your comment to GB and Heather two ways. Not sure how it was meant>>: I think that was the point. << the other half wants to get a front row seat for the show>>: That’s me. When SJ wins, I can stop worrying aboot you kicking my scrawny butt.

Siofra: <<Hehe, thanks>>: Welcome. <<Hell yes, they are!>>: Maybe I was looking at the wrong person. From the picture I kind of got the impression that you were a short skinny elf-shaped girl. <<You're gonna make me say it>>: Yes. Spill all to “The Man”. <<If you even knew about the gun collection that family has...>>: Which has ZERO chance of making it to G2k2 if you’re flying. SJ, on the other hand, will be driving. << You are a sick, sick person>>: And as welcome as anyone else! ;-) << It's the body...and the voice>>: Some chicks dig lanky guys, others prefer the more, uh, “Goliath” type. << GETTING INVOLVED WITH SOMEONE WHILE WITH ANOTHER IS ONE OF THE MOST HORRIBLE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO SOMEBODY>>: I’d have to agree with that one.

The Wizard: <<Josh>>: What happened to “The Man”? <<another hot one>>: Thanks, I try. <<I'm not complaining, though, because I love this heat>>: You will do nicely in LA. <>: Sometimes I sit in the sun working on my laptop. That’s aboot as close as I get. <<those painkillers must be something powerful>>: I should call my friends and inform them that they’ve failed. Despite their best efforts, a drug has been created that makes women attracted to me. OH HAPPY DAY! <<Best of luck to ya>>: She’ll fail. There’s no way I’m conducting a long-distance relationship with a Canadian. LA is aboot as far as I’d go, and only because its home. <<Because I'm rooting for the sharks>>: So many idiots, not enough chum in the water. <<I've got a date with either Hawaii, California, or Australia>>: What’s his name, you sly dog ;-) <<The only people that complain about their reputations are if they're bad>>: I have a terrible reputation and I never complain. I love it! Hell, I even propagate it! <<The smartest human alive>>: Well, I don’t like to brag… <<it's supposed to cool off by Saturday>>: That’s good to hear. Though most of the next couple days will be inside, to my knowledge. <<don't know how long you're in Canada>>: Till Monday afternoon. <<Gasp ** No!>>: Yes! <<Say it ain't so!>>: Okay…it ain’t so. <<You still like chocolate, right>>: Of course. Wouldn’t give it up for…no, I would give it up for the world. But not much less. <<Don't you love internships>>: I don’t know, this is my first one. Ask me next year at this time. <<and are not toasted...SPF 30>>: Nope, I’m white as ever ;-) <D@mmit, stop teasing me>: Oh that just offers too many opportunities. <<no comment, since ya weren't asking me in the first place >>: I’ll take that as a yes. <>: Would that be because of the DLD jokes? <<And then MacBeth would watch for a double whammy>>: Hmmm…the spell says that the only feel each other’s pain when they’re close together. What if Demona was a world away and it was televised and MacBeth watched it. Would it hurt him? <>: I’m more interested in whether or not he can SPELL “republican”. << A post or a *post*? ;P>>: The one that involves more typing. <<What is the rest of your family into>>: Most of my quirks and/or interests can be traced to my parents one way or another. <<No frickning way! Me too. Damn>>: Ya know, for an artist, you’re eerily similar to me. <>: You may NOT! Who will I email back and forth for pages at a time? <<Where's the challenge in simply having money at the start>>: Keeping it. <<as soon as college starts I'm as dirt-poor as can be>>: I think I’m in a similar situation to most CA college students. Parents cover rent and a small allowance for food, and the rest I’m on my own. <>: ::puts on flame retardant suit:: How could you? He’s so cool! <<How is Brooklyn even remotely good looking>>: I think in his case it’s the personality that attracts the female fandom to him. Not to mention he can beat a car into oblivion. Chicks dig that kind of muscle. <<He's got a *beak* for chriminey's sake>>: Christine Morgan has a line in one of her fics: “as above, so below”. <<It's when I start talking about lightning strikes that it gets bad>>: I’ll keep an eye oot for that, then. <<Any developments>>: Nope. He’s in Greece. I’ll ask him when he gets back. <<it just means no mormonism in my future>>: I don’t get it. How does THAT analogy derive that interpretation? <<You beat out the two of us by a good 30 days, at the least>>: It’s your subtraction skills that make you the artist that you are. <<Ah, the horror, the horror>>: They’re not THAT hairy. <<it would be worse to be the Fear no Liath>>: Huh? <>: The scenery shots or the model shots? <>: Sorry, I was thinking of better things to do with butterscotch and chocolate syrup than putting them on ice cream… <<if you seriously wanna see some of the color studies I've been doing, I will>>: I do! Just don’t email me anything big…modem connection and all. <<You are now of legal age to test-drive a Ferrari>>: In what state? <<more people would stay alive with me in charge>>: Which is why I’m not giving you any power ;-) <<Unless someone gives me Portugal, in which case I won't antagonize>>: Well gee wasn’t THAT a subtle hint. <>: Are you sure there isn’t any engineer in you? (No, I will refrain from a “want some?” joke here.) <<Duh. I meant 9 months>>: 30 days, 90 months…same thing! ;-)

Lynati: <<Doesn't say anything, because she knows she's just going to get her self in trou-ble...(>> Unbeknownst to us all, Lynati has actually spent quality time fondling Greg’s and Thom’s asses and has a keen grasp of just how much soap one could actually make…

Greg X: << I'd say that the two of you deserve each other>>: Look, ma! A completely flame-retardant comment!

Kit: You posted! Quick, someone check the temperature in Detroit. << You are the envy of many women the world over>>: Not to downplay anyone in the CR in particular, but for some reason I have trouble believing, after attending G2k1, that we are considered “Catches” by the rest of the world. Most of us are just horribly bizarre one way or another. << Congrats on acting like an adult for possibly the first time in your life >>: It wasn’t the first time, but at least the first time it was a camp coonsellor job and I knew what I was getting into. <>: Sadly, I was not able to form an opinion on 3000 Miles because I had to turn it off. << action movies without great stories do not appeal to me >>: Bah! << including many things that other people shouldn't know>>: I dunno, it might be kind of fun for us each to write oor own, or have some sort of cgi-scripted form to fill oot with oor location, hobbies, etc. << get his mind back in the right place on things like those treaties he's been rejecting>>: Is this aboot that environmental treaty? << Thanks for reminding me of that unpleasant thing Aaron and Mara did to you a while back>>: Alright, that does it!

***RANT TIME!***

I’ve been here a scant 6 months and participated in a variety of flame wars, but damned if I’m gonna sit here and watch this room get torn apart by people who blame each other over their failed relationships.

Get over yourselves. If your relationships were so great, it would have taken a lot more than some wayward person to come between you and your significant other or you’d still be together.

Especially to the people who HAVE since moved on and foond someone new. Way to make the new person feel loved; by going on aboot the last person you dated.

Yeah, it hurts when you break up. But we’re supposed to be adults in here (except for Dreamie, of course). Don’t flame other people over it. Its one thing to not be friends with the person who you feel stole your significant other from you. That’s fine. But jeez, you don’t need to add your two cents aboot things that are past and bring up old wounds.

***END RANT TIME***

Christine: Congrats! << in the nature-vs-nurture debate, nurture's got the edge>>: Lets just see how stupid the baby turns oot…shall we?

Robby: << . I've had a week to recover now, and I understand better now what was going on behind the scenes, so I'm a lot better about the whole situation, but still>>: God, that bites. Sorry dude.

Sorow: << I'm just checking in to see how everyone is doing>>: Well, it appears the room is rapidly splitting over a series of failed relationships between people in the CR because we’re still acting 14 instead of 20-something. << My computer was upgraded today so this new screen is really weird>>: Ah, I love the smell of new silicon in the morning!

Well folks, its 3AM and I'm tired. Good nite.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
-Robert A. Heinlein

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, eh?
Thursday, August 9, 2001 02:51:48 AM
IP: hse-toronto-ppp255355.sympatico.ca

Okay, enough time for a few short replies:

Niamhgold: <<the heat>> You are a sick, sick person. It's been over 95 here the past three days, and I am SO not a summer person.
<<How is Brooklyn even remotely good looking?>> It's the body...and the voice... ;-)

Christine: Congrats!!!

I am Jack's rampant fury.
Okay, speaking from experience here, GETTING INVOLVED WITH SOMEONE WHILE WITH ANOTHER IS ONE OF THE MOST HORRIBLE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO SOMEBODY. It doesn't matter how long, or why. It is a stupid hurtful thing to do and it reeks of immaturity. I have been hurt like that before and I hope that everyone realizes that toying with the feelings and emotions of is one of the most disgusting things you can do. This isn't really aimed at a specific person; its mostly just my opinion on the subject, one of which I feel very strongly about. If anyone wants to flame me, go ahead, because I don't think I'm alone in my feelings on this.

Anyway, going to bed now. Until next time...

Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Thursday, August 9, 2001 01:49:08 AM
IP: pm431-09.dialip.mich.net

NOTE: Replies to TGS CR Info related topics to be posted separately.

Coyote: Did you find those G2001 surveys you used to have in your jacket pocket?
<<still looking for a place>>
Where are you living right now? Hope you find a permanent place soon. **hugs**

G'99 pic of FS and LM: Sorry the link didn't work. We forgot about Geocities' annoying policy concerning file linkage. If FS agrees, maybe we'll put the pic up on his site. (Or find a better one to publish.) :)

Imzadi: <<Does he wear a lot of chain mail?>>
No, he has been thinking of wearing chain mail as part of a costume for a future Gathering or a future Ren Fair.
<<She's in London, about two hours from Toronto.>>
Thanks for answering. :)
<<As far as I know, hotmail is usually up and running.>>
Thanks for the info.
<<are you two even engaged?>>
Yes and no. Yes, because we have an idea of when we will be getting married. No, because we don't have an official engagement ring yet due to financial reasons.
<<Its all about priorities.>>
Is it just me or has that become one of your taglines?
<>
Trust me when I say that my father is naturally very conservative concerning numerous things due to his upbringing and the era in which he grew up. (And this doesn't involve only his opinions concerning his daughters and their activities.) Combine that with thick headedness and stubbornness and you have a *very* hard person to live and communicate with. :/
<<Hey, I'm not sure the people at Gathering really exist!>>
Are you sure the Gathering really existed?
<<Yes, well you weren't until you posted!>>
I was lurking on occasion. It's hard to get enough personal time at my house without being interrupted. And the interruptions, due to their nature, usually break my train of thought. It makes writing replies very hard and time consuming. :(
<<Hey, FS doesn't think you're better than the smell of napalm in the morning ;-)>>
Like he ever smelled real Napalm at any time. :P
(Thanks for asking me directly. :))
<<Website>>: Slow as all hell, but otherwise cool.>>
What loaded slowly? I'm guessing it was Freeservers' end since the pages load fine for me on a 56k modem. But I'm just making sure by asking you. And thanks for the compliment. Sometime in the future I'll upgrade the site design to the graphics version, which will be *much* cooler than it's current non-graphics version and previous graphics version. :)

About me: <<Well don't keep us all in suspense! Tell us what you've been up to! We never hear from you, and I, for one, am curious. What do you even do for a living? ~Imzadi>> <<how are YOU lately, we hardly ever hear from you. ~lain>>
Living life. I do volunteer work for FS's business. I am rushing to get 3 very big correspondence classes done before a targeted deadline. I do freelance graphics and website design work on occasion, which happens to be the only thing that could really classify as "earning a living." I have inherited the role as homemaker of this household, which involves a lot of time and responsibility, as a result of my mother's death in 1994. It may sound egocentric, but things wouldn't get done around here if it weren't for me. (The other members of this house have even told me this.) I've recently been job-hunting, due to financial reasons and future-oriented goals.

These past couple of weeks have been very hectic due to aforementioned responsibilities and activities, and medical and misc. appointments. Saw "Final Fantasy" last month with Coyote and FS. Saw "Battlefield Earth" with my sister and FS. Spent a lot of quality time with various members of this household, including FS. Been trying to get back into some hobbies I used to have, while starting some new ones. I also have been trying to exercise on a regular basis. But have been failing miserably in that respect.

This past weekend, I served as "taxi service" for FS and my sister, which took a large chunk out of my time. FS and I also went twice to our city's Homecoming celebration (which he already mentioned). We also attended his 5th year high school reunion (which he also mentioned).

There's probably a lot more worth mentioning that I've forgotten. If you want clarification, details or have more questions then ask away.

Aaron: <<For what it's worth, I've been with Yahoo for about three years, and I only remember it being down once in all that time. A coworker of mine has been on Hotmail for about the same length of time, and he's had problems signing in on numerous occasions.>>
Thanks for the info. :)

DPH/Imzadi: <<CIA watching the TGS CR>>
What if someone from the CIA was reading or posting in this CR as a means of enjoyment or whatnot and not as part of his/her job, duty or assignment? In you opinions, would that still classify as the "CIA watching the TGS CR"?

Imzadi/Gside: <<Haven't heard from you in weeks. So I just send all my questions about you to your other half. ~Imzadi>> <<Because you rarely post, and you're more likely to get a response from someone who you've replied to more frequently and recently. ~Gside>>
Your logic makes sense. Although... FS purposefully refrained from answering said questions about me. He was hoping you would eventually notice and stop asking and saying such things.

Gside: <<Nope, center of Hell (due to the beating of Satan's wings).>>
FS's comment on Hell, MI threw me off. Although your comment paints a lovely mental image of the Slavic god, as seen in "Fantasia," who I *think* is called Chyernobog or Crnobog. ;)
<<Suburb of Chicago to visit family.>>
I know you probably won't be reading this until you get back from your trip but I'll reply anyway. :) Sorry FS and I weren't here to make arrangements early enough before you left so that you could have visited us. :(
<<Nah. I was just trying to expand my reputation as a guttermind.>>
And run the risk of *actually* creating unintended rumors that may have damaging effects on certain people?
<<If you're a good enough actor/author, it might be able to be faked.>>
I agree.

Niamhgold: <<My friend Austin was a joker, though, and an artist once installed a "wish tree" at school. Though the wishes were anonymous, we knew his when we saw the one that said "I wish polygamy were legal." And it ended up in the Baltimore newspaper when reporters did an article about the installation ;)>>
Interesting story. :)

Kyryn: Thanks for telling me about your relationship history with Okami. :)
<<We lived together for the next seven years and then got married (waited until we had the cash to do it the way we wanted to, although my parents were nice about it and helped us out anyways).>>
Out of curiosity, during your time living together, did anyone you know have the opinion that the two of you would never get married? That the two of you would just remain unmarried life partners, or something to that extent? I'm glad your parents helped the two of you out. :)

Emambu: <<Yes! You updated the archive so I can now go back and look over all the posts I've missed. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you... and so forth. :)>>
You're welcome, you're welcome, you're welcome, you're welcome, you're welcome, and so forth. ;)
<<With my track record on meeting women for the first time, I'm happy with "Tolerance at first site" or "Indifference at first site.">>
**L** Aww, it's not that bad, is it? :(
<<Congrats! I hope to see you guys down there then.>>
Thanks. Hope to see you there, too. :)

Warpmind: <<Oooh, do I see someone trying to lure the significant other into armor? Strange; I always thought it would be the other way around... };)>>
**L** No, FS has been thinking about making a chain mail costume for a future Gathering and/or Ren Fair for a long time. It might *be* both ways if I were the one wearing a chain mail outfit, if you know what I mean. ;)

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You're welcome. :)

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Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Click name for GMC2004 bid site.
Thursday, August 9, 2001 01:46:52 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Firestorm - "CrzyDemona: <Anyway, have you SEEN Greg's ass?> ... Na... way too easy! ;)" BWAA HAA HAA!! I didn't mean 'see it' as in "Up close and personal". I just meant as a casual observation!!

Warpmind - I do not presume to be an expert it any of those fields. But I do have personal experience in one of them. (the FAT field... getcher mind outta the gutter!) :P Hee hee.

Greg Bishansky - You could take your comment to GB and Heather two ways. Not sure how it was meant.

Hey Stephen! Remember this??

"BULLSHIT, Stephen! BULLSHIT!"
-- Greg Weisman, G99

... ah yes, the memories. :)

SJ - Deny that? Hell no. I know you get under my skin. You know you get under my skin. This entire comment room HOPES we go at each other's throats... half of them just want us to kill each other so we will shut up... the other half wants to get a front row seat for the show. Let's face it... we are the next "Survivor". :P As for the Londo/G'kar thing. I had no idea we had such a deep history, SJ. ;) heh heh
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Thursday, August 9, 2001 01:25:58 AM
IP: 1cust162.tnt2.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Hi guys. I'm just checking in to see how everyone is doing. I'm trying to get my college email address in order and hopefully I'll have that soon for you all. My computer was upgraded today so this new screen is really weird!
SOROW
Thursday, August 9, 2001 12:39:27 AM
IP: a010-0145.dll2.splitrock.net

Christine> Congrads!

::Looks at the rest of the CR:: Oh boy. I'm staying out of this one.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, August 9, 2001 12:36:42 AM
IP: dialin-61-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

SJ- You pretty much got the whole situation. Heather started dating GB long before she told me it was over, which is what I was most upset and heartbroken over, really. I've had a week to recover now, and I understand better now what was going on behind the scenes, so I'm a lot better about the whole situation, but still...

Heather and GB- Wish ya both the best of luck. And this time, I mean it. Honest.

Doug- Nice to see you in here again, after the whole debacle from before. Ya got more courage than I gave you credit for. Really I'm more surprised you still read the room, but...
Robby
Thursday, August 9, 2001 12:36:33 AM
IP: ac80852d.ipt.aol.com

::comes in with a bunch of pink-wrapped candy cigars:: I'm happy to announce that I'm an auntie again -- my brother's wife delivered twin girls yesterday, four weeks early but doing fine!

Jan > IMO, in the nature-vs-nurture debate, nurture's got the edge ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, August 9, 2001 12:34:47 AM
IP: 04-172.075.popsite.net

The Robby - Heather - Green Baron Love Triangle Electric Boogaloo of Death (yes, DEATH!): I say settle it in a Triple Threat, T.L.C. match (that's Tables, Ladders, and Chairs, oh my!!!)! Well, that's my obligatory wrestling joke of the day.

I think the problem Robby has with all of this....and if so, I totally agree with him....is that he was the last to know. Who knows the circumstances which led up to this....maybe there was good reason to leave him (sorry, Robby, I don't mean to club you, I'm on your side here). Anyway, I feel (and I think maybe Robby does) that AS SOON AS you started to feel something for Green Baron, you should have cut the cord right away. Instead, it seems, you dated Green Baron for a while, THEN decided to dump Robby. I say you played him. It would have been painful to Robby to break up with you, but I think the most painful thing about it all is that he knows that for a good length of time you were...cavorting is a fun word...with GB, while you were still "officially" with Robby. Thus, Robby, I can assume, feels as if he was screwed from behind and didn't even get a reach-around. So, to give my opinion when it's obviously not been asked (but you'll get it anyway! So there!), Robby deserves to be pissed, IF that was how it went down.

Love. Someone always gets hurt with it. That's your lesson for today, kids: never love anyone. Apathy rules!

I'm still scratching my head that Green "Is Madame Destine around?" Baron stole someone's girlfriend. Who would have thought that? This would be a much more interesting, not too mention steamy, story if GB didn't have that "I'm saving myself for marriage" puritanical / repressed-sexually-cause-he's-a-Catholic upbringing. Damn, just our luck. A love triangle, only this time, WITHOUT the scandalous sex.

Oh, and to all those are not in the know about Londo and G'Kar: They're characters on Babylon 5.

And Green Baron is pretty dead on. Crzy and I are very much like Londo and G'Kar, because those two killed each other in the end.

<<SJ just can't live without constant attention from me.>> This is probably true. I do think you like the attention from me as well. What I really get high off of, though, is how well I get under your skin. That's always amusing.

You may begin your denial of that now!
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, August 9, 2001 12:07:50 AM
IP: 66-44-67-15.s269.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Ok, hopefully this won't be novel length. But for those of you who don't know who Londo and G'Kar are, here's an explanation.

Londo Mollari is the Centauri Ambassador on "Babylon 5". G'Kar is the Narn Ambassador.

The backstory is that for 100 years, the Centauri occupied the Narn and were driven off. By the time ths show is taking place, the Narn are our for swift and bloody revenge, and Londo and G'Kar are enemies. Londo fears G'Kar for personal reasons also. Centauri often know how and when they are going to die, and in his dreams, he is an old man and he dies with G'Kar's hands wrapped around his neck and his around G'Kar's.

In 2258, a man named Morden comes to the station and asks each of the ambassadors "What do you want?", and Londo responds by saying he wants his people to reclaim their rightful place as a huge galatic empire. Morden represents an ancient race called the Shadows, millions of years old and out to spread chaos.

The Centauri and Narn get into a huge war and with the help of the Shadows, the Centauri reconquer Narn and commit numerous atrocities (in the process, he helps to put a madman on the throne of the Centauri Republic also). G'Kar is stripped of his rank in the process and granted sanctuary on B5. Even through out all this, Londo is unsure of the Shadows and fears them. He tries to break off his ties with them, and have his world break ties with them also. Morden has the woman he loves killed, and places the blame on the doorsteps of Lord Refa, Londo's former ally in the Royal Court and now enemy. He has Refa killed later on.

He goes to Centauri Prime later and is promoted as Minister of Security under Emperor Cartagia, and discovers that Cartagia is insane. G'Kar is later captured and tortured, and Londo makes a deal with him to help him kill Cartagia and in return he'll free Narn. They succeed and Londo keeps his word. He returns to Centauri Prime and is named Prime Minister and removes all the Shadow influence from his world and has Morden beheaded and places his head on a pike. He helps name a Regent to the throne and returns to B5 to make amends.

Londo plays a big part along with G'Kar in getting both their people and the other races to support the main characters from saving Earth from a Facist dicatator who took over a couple years earlier. After that is over, Londo learns that the Regent is ill and will die in the coming year and that when he dies, Londo will become Emperor. Which scares him because in his dream death he was Emperor.

Londo spends the first half of 2262 helping out with the Interstellar Alliance, as does G'Kar. And the two develop an uneasy friendship that they would not admit, and things get bad on his homeworld. The Drakh (servants of the Shadows) came to his world after the Shadow War to make them pay the price for betraying the Shadows. They control the Regent through a Keeper and secretly manipulate attacks on Alliance ships which no one in the Centauri government knows about and set up a war between the Centauri and the Alliance. Londo returns home and the Drakh have the Regent send the ships guarding the planet away on a false emergency and disable the planet's defense system, allowing Alliance ships to bombard the planet resuting in millions of deaths. Londo saves G'Kar's life (who accompanies him) and meets the Drakh who explain their purpose for being there (though they don't give away their plans), and they kill the Regent and implant a Keeper on Londo. They break the Centauri turning them into a beaten and resentful people, and withdraw from the Alliance paying heavy reparations while the Drakh begin their plans for the galaxy secretly on Centauri Prime.

While this happens, G'Kar is deified by his own people who want him to rule over them. He does not want this so he goes off and explores the galaxy.

17 years later, Londo is still living under the control of the Drakh, and his life really sucks, and is a living Hell. Terrorism is going on on his world, and the Drakh are screwing over his people secretly. He makes a final attempt at redemption by freeing John Sheridan and Delenn (who the Drakh want dead) and knows that they'll kill him. He asks G'Kar, who has become his friend by then to kill him. G'Kar wraps his hands around Londo's neck and strangles him. Londo's Keeper wakes up and forces Londo to strangle back. So the two former enemies now friends die at each other's hands.

Whoo, trust me, this is the abridged version. I didn't even get into Peter David's novel trilogy on Londo and G'Kar during those seventeen years.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 11:51:18 PM
IP: dialin-61-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

I have trouble understanding such people myself.

GB, Heather: Best wishes from a girl who may or may not exist, who is setting foot in this room to say Fare Thee Well to you both and damn the consequences. :) My man sends his best wishes too, as do all the gang here in Awesome Town. Heather, given what I know of Robby and what I know of the Baron, I think you were very wise to pick one over the other. I hope that everyone will understand your reasons for doing so since you've posted them, and no one will be too mad at you for it for too long. GB, good luck in Frankfurt, and be sure to tell us all about it when you get back. Even damned lurkers like myself want to know. :) And may you and Heather both enjoy the many years of happiness that I am sure are ahead for you. Oh, and Heather, congratulations on taming the Green Baron. You are the envy of many women the world over. ;)

Robby: Condolences on the broken heart. Unfortunately it happens to the best of us, and the worst. But you'll live through it. And who knows, maybe there's someone who's right for you, more right than Heather ever was, waiting beyond the next pass. There was for Heather, there was for Coyote, there was for me and for Doug all the times our hearts have been broken, and there will be for you too. I'm sure of it. Good luck finding her, and regaining your personal happiness also. If it's possible for me to regain my personal happiness after what happened in here a few months back (as I have, though it took a while), I'm sure it's possible for you to regain yours after this. I'm pulling for you.

Coyote: I too hope that Heather and GB are happy. They seem to be. :) <turns on sarcasm> Thanks for reminding me of that unpleasant thing Aaron and Mara did to you a while back. I didn't pay attention to it while it was happening, I forgot it quickly when it did, but now... <looks toward the cold couple> Can't say I like you two any more after the reminder. Shame on you both. <red-eyed glare>

SJ: <smiles> I agree, Attack of the Clones is a terrible title. But hey, at least, I hear there's no Jar Jar in Episode 2. <cheers>

<shares in moment of silence for Lorenzo Music> I'll always keep my videotapes of your many wonderful Garfield and Carlton the doorman moments on the treasured shelf, old friend. Enjoy heaven, though you are missed here. <dabs at eyes>

Josh: Congrats on acting like an adult for possibly the first time in your life. You've reached a real milestone of maturity. <L> I agree with you on the two movies in question. Whole Nine Yards is great, but Graceland only rules in action. And action movies without great stories do not appeal to me.

Lady Mystic: Great idea for the CR Personal Info Archives. However, I recommend that before putting any person's specific entry up, you contact that person with a rough draft and ask if it's ok. We all have things about ourselves we don't want other people to know, including many things that other people shouldn't know. Giving the people whose info will be posted a chance to edit their profiles will help ensure fairness and guard against misuse- you're not the only one concerned about that. Looking forward to your further post on the subject.

Jan: Good luck with the baby, I know raising it is going to be difficult for you but well worth it. All the mothers I've known have said the same thing. Good luck to Anna too, I know she'll play a big part in the raising. It's a pity the baby's father won't or can't, but I guess that's just the way things go sometimes. <shrugs> I'm sure he/she will still turn out to be a great person someday. I agree with you 100% on reputations (hope I can get my good one back someday somehow) and Bush's vacation (maybe it will help him get his mind back in the right place on things like those treaties he's been rejecting). **SPOILERS** I liked Planet of the Apes too, apart from the really cliched story with plot holes galore and almost total lack of character development on many key characters, and an ending you could see coming a mile away. Who did Burton hire to write this one and why didn't he make them edit the script better? Huh? <sighs> **SPOILERS END**

I could say a lot more, I know, but I've said the things I want to say for now. I'm tired, I'm going to bed. Good night everyone. And again to GB, Heather, and Robby, good luck.
Kit
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 11:50:17 PM
IP: 63.232.121.62

Heat wave > It's hot everywhere... high temperatures in Ohio today topped 100 in several cities.

Star Wars titles > I thought the title for the third one was going to be "Star Wars Episode III - The Painful Death of Jar Jar." At least, that's what title they would pick if they wanted to ensure everyone who saw Episode I would be lined up around the block on opening day.

Crzy > I don't know who Londo is, either. I only know who Lando is. Calrissian, that is. "Colt 45, the finest malt liquor in the galaxy." :P

Seen on TV > I watched the hourlong premier of "The Wayne Brady Show" tonight on ABC. It's one of those spin-offs that's not really technially a spin-off, wink, wink, but we know who the initial viewer base is going to be. All in all, though, it was pretty good stuff... reminded me a bit of the Smothers Brothers. But the true test will be in whether by the third or forth episode he still has enough new material to keep it going.

And finally... a moment of silence for Lorenzo Music, the voice of Garfield. He passed away yesterday after a long bout with cancer.
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 11:13:03 PM
IP: 64.109.211.135

GB & Heather> Well, from what I can tell and what I know about this, I'd say that the two of you deserve each other.

Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 10:10:12 PM
IP: dialin-61-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*Leans in. Just looks at Crzy's and Spacebabie's current topic of conversation and grins. Doesn't say anything, because she knows she's just going to get her self in trou-ble...(heh heh heh.) Gone*
Lynati "The party's just begun..." Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 08:38:46 PM
IP: 207.226.219.95

** Niamhgold enters again, briefly **

Argh, I hate making mistakes, especially numerical ones...

Josh: Ignore what I said about you beating us out by "30 days, at the least." Duh. I meant 9 months. For some reason, I was thinking your birthday was the same as my friend Gabe (early May).

Adios!
Niamhgold
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 08:26:01 PM
IP: lac-flex236.ncia.net

** Niamhgold enters **

Woo, another hot one! It's been a while since the thermometer here has reached 100 degrees. I'm not complaining, though, because I love this heat (sure, I couldn't stand it every day for the rest of my life). I think I've become immune to it simply because I sit in the sun sketching whenever I get outta work/weekends.

Ah, hey, time for replies!

Lain: <*enters licking lips and clutching perscription medication* mmmmmmmm celebrex> Uh...just be careful with that stuff, okay? It's an interesting drug. <maybe i should... run off with josh or something> Heh, those painkillers must be something powerful. Best of luck to ya! :)

Spacebabie: **Hugs** I'm sorry to hear about that...but at the same time glad that you have an awesome gameplan! <So I'm going to practice by writing some fanfics.> Do it, definitely, definitely! :) I know I'll be in line to read them ;) <Everday it's hot and humid down here> I know...I loved every minute of my Florida vacation ;) Of course, with all those shark attacks now, it's debatable. Because I'm rooting for the sharks ;)

GB & Heather: Here's wishing you two the best of luck! <Now, you have a reason to go to G02, so you can see us :)> Sure! Plus, I have obligations to see Dreamie & Winterwolf, Imzadi, Gside (if, in fact, he is not a facet of Imzadi or SJ or both ;)), Shadowrider, and most everyone else!

Daniel Johnson: <IT'S FRICKING HOT!!!> Heh, I know. Don't you love it? <You just stand outside and you're soaked in sweat. Ugh. Of course, the dog wants a long walk and runs around like a lunatic. I think I'm moving to Alaska> Er...I guess you don't love it ;) Well, you and my dad can go feed the Alaskan Grizzlies. Me, I've got a date with either Hawaii, California, or Australia ;) <<> Not only are you smart, you also have good taste.> Thanks! Apparently, you do, too. Although I'd bet you'd beat me in a Perl race. BTW, lol at the joke ;)

Warpmind: <TWO PERSONS! At about five minutes before closing time, no less. And they just wander around, BROWSING! WITHOUT BORROWING ANYTHING!> Darn them! I used to go through the same when I was working at the ice cream shop as a kid. Rainy days and you _pray_ for people. People come in, ask for soft serve, you said it's homemade (and thus not soft serve from a machine), and they leave. ;) <Reputations are worth something.> I agree. The only people that complain about their reputations are if they're bad. You don't often see someone complaining if they've gotten the reputation for being something like, for example, "The best dresser ever" or "The smartest human alive." ;)

Firestorm: <Star Wars: Episode 3 - Night of the living Jedi.> Lol!

Josh: <Hot and humid…yuck> I haven't gotten sick of it yet...but, if it's any condolence, it's supposed to cool off by Saturday (don't know how long you're in Canada). <Then I did something really horrible. I acted like an adult.> ** Gasp ** No! Say it ain't so! You still like chocolate, right? <I’ll rent it when I get back up to school.> Phew. That's better ;) <This is my first real opportunity to see where my major can lead> Awesome! Don't you love internships? I'll never forget this summer for that, even if I end up in a cruddy job for the rest of my life. I hope you had fun (and are not toasted...SPF 30). <You’ll just have to wait until then. And I know you were dying to see the new stuff.> D@mmit, stop teasing me! <And you think I’M arrogant!?> Well...no comment, since ya weren't asking me in the first place ;) <Wait, you’re only 23? Why did I think you were older?> Funny, and I always thought he was younger, more like your age. Huh. <Anything that features Demona fighting other women is gonna be rented by at least Goliath and Iago, probably Xanatos too. Brooklyn would watch to cheer for the opposition, and Hudson will watch static if that’s all that’s on.> And then MacBeth would watch for a double whammy. <<< I'll just blame someone else>>>: Blame moochie!> Once again, blame Canada. I wonder if Bush even knows he _is_ a Republican. <Nuts! I was hoping for one, too.> A post or a *post*? ;P <so I begin to wonder if I’m not some freak genetics accident gone horribly awry (hey, I was created in a test tube) since I’m the only engineering-type in my bloodline> Well, at least that excludes you from genetic qualities you may not have wanted to inherit, anyways :) What is the rest of your family into? <Thespark.com’s personality test says I’m an accoontant.> No frickning way! Me too. Damn. <It would have to be someone that posts frequently, like you or me or Niamhgold or Dreamie or Winterwolf or Gside or someone. Someone who can keep up with new additions to the CR.> Unfortunately, it wouldn't be a good idea for me to do it since I usually go on "sabatacle" during the college year (I get so busy that I don't normally have as much posting time) :(. <As for what women want, each woman definitely wants rich and/or successful, but each woman also defines it differently> That's not true, not for me, at least. I'd much rather have to scrape it up with someone for a few years, so that I'd know them as they were during the *worst* of times. With a rich guy, you'd always be worrying about if the money was gone if they'd be as receptive/loving/nice as before. Plus, I'd like to consider myself as a breadwinner, and not be depending on my husband for funds. And when a couple does come upon money...it just makes it more enjoyable to know that you worked for it, together. Where's the challenge in simply having money at the start? <and despite my PARENT’s financial resources, *I* am not rich. Yet.).> Yeah. When I'm home for the summer, I've got enough money (my parent's aren't really rich, anywho), but as soon as college starts I'm as dirt-poor as can be. Frugal is the word I believe my dad uses for it ;) <She has sex with Brooklyn. That explains the female fandom’s fascination with her.> At the sake of being flamed for this...I hate Brooklyn as a character. I don't dismiss him, true, but Lex and Broadway have always been more compelling. How is Brooklyn even remotely good looking? He's got a *beak* for chriminey's sake ;) <<< ! We had some major thunderstorms here>>: Is that a euphemism I’m not familiar with?> Unfortunately, no. It's when I start talking about lightning strikes that it gets bad ;) <Now I’ve got to ask my friend what entry 54 is…> Any developments? <<<I’m a two bow kinda girl>>: Would one of you please explain what that means (in email, if necessary)?> No email necessary. For me, it just means no mormonism in my future. I like the word "couple" to stick to it's dictionary meaning. Two. <When is your birthday again?> June 14th...so you can see I don't beat Robby out by much ;) You beat out the two of us by a good 30 days, at the least. Ah, the horror, the horror! Course, it would be worse to be the Fear no Liath. <Whoa. Someone who goes to real effort to critique my work. Much appreciated!> You're very welcome! When I was doing so, I realized that they make great wallpaper if blurred and feathered a little :) And I've got to be getting back into critique mode again, anyhow. <If it weren’t for all the fruit, I’d be all over it.> Well, I could make it with just butterscotch and hot chocolate...hey, what's that look for? <scan and post> Is that a euphenism *I* haven't heard of? ;) Naw, if you seriously wanna see some of the color studies I've been doing, I will. If the offer's past, then that's fine, too ;)

Stephen: <That got me an Atta-boy from my manager, and a sigh of relief from yours truly!> Great! You were due for that after such a hectic day! ;)

Xanathar: Happy Belated 25th birthday! You are now of legal age to test-drive a Ferrari. :)

SJ: Heh.

DPH: <Why personally take over the world? Wouldn't it be much safer to pull all the strings from behind the scenes?> And that's where I come in. Plus, more people would stay alive with me in charge. Unless someone gives me Portugal, in which case I won't antagonize ;)

Adios!
Niamhgold
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 08:18:37 PM
IP: lac-flex236.ncia.net

Ya know... sometimes when I am on the net I find things that are just so darn intersting and important.

This is one of them.

The Very Secret Battle of Bob Kolody vs. Coca-Cola
Fire Storm - [<--- VERY interesting]
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 06:58:16 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Not much time to post right now, but maybe I'll get a chance again later...

Josh: <<<< let me know if we have another SOROW / Dreamie in our midst>>: If I were you, I might look through the CR archives and check oot SIOFRA’s pic. She’s pretty cute.>> Hehe, thanks :-)
<> Hell yes, they are! I was wearing kind of a baggy tunic thing. When I find a good pic of me, I'll scan it and send it to you. <<<>: You don’t want me doing that. Better just tell me.>> *sigh* You're gonna make me say it?
<<But I am jealous of your boyfriend. Better not bring him to Gathering. SJ and I are already putting together a list of people to take oot with high-velocity silenced rifles>> Ha! Unlikely to happen. If you even knew about the gun collection that family has...hehehe. Who do you think taught me how to shoot and got me on our school's rifle team? ;-)

Warpmind: <<And I'm not jealous of Siofra's build. (Now, don't get me wrong - I'd probably be more than happy to sit around and drool over it, but...)>> Aww...I'm flattered :-)

Okay, time for dinner but I'll most likely be back on sometime tonight to maybe post or chat or something. Bye for now!

Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 06:03:08 PM
IP: pm613-11.dialip.mich.net

Spacebabie - Thom's butt is much more perky and cute than Greg's. ;) The real competition starts when we have to decide who has prettier blue eyes. :)

Green Baron - "Crzy and SJ> At least you two keep it joking, and you two have more in common than you realize, like Londo and G'Kar :)" Who is Londo and G'Kar? O.O and I am MUCH cuter than SJ. hee hee! SJ just can't live without constant attention from me. Really, can you blame him? ;) (that was just WAY too arrogant... even for ME! Someone stop me before somebody gets hurt!!)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 05:34:47 PM
IP: 1cust68.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

*enters licking lips and clutching perscription medication* mmmmmmmm celebrex... AND some funky thing called cefaclor... yum yum yum. *grins*
if im not mistaken, my mum was on celebrex as part of the cancer treatment but if its gonna help me, its all good. cept that cefaclor is an antibiotic.. and i dislike antibiotics. apparently i might have a swolen lymphnode near my left ear, cos my actual EAR isnt infected or inflamed but it hurts to yawn and a little to swallow but it isnt my throat thats sore. and i apparently have TWO gangleions (if i can spell) one (at least) on each wrist. which is why i cant bend them. so i get pain killer, wrist immobilisation-y goodness and a big shiny ice-pack. huzzah. other than that, life is good : )

heather>> naw, i dont get POed too easily and its fine to have a mean streak.. i have one, too (honest... stop laughing at me, sj..) but it likes to stay hidden safely from view. safer for everyone, methinks. youre welcome here but everyone needs to remember that more people than you, GB and robby (or other parties concerned) are going to be reading what you put here and some of us are *sniff* more sensitive that *bawl* others.. k?
; )

*blinks at coyote* woah... the bitterness is coming to get me............ *snuggles coyote anyways*

maybe i should... run off with josh or something... just to spread the love...
*looks at moochie*.. naw.. i bet josh cant say NEARLY the same kind of totally, blindingly, numbingly and sumptuously erotic things as moochie can.. without even trying.. (shhhh... dont tell his mother i said that...)
besides, we have emotional glue.. (well.. until he goes to harding and finds a "real christian woman" yeah yeah moochie, dont give me that.. ill believe you when it DOESNT happen..: P : P : P... : P : D.. hee hee..)

anyway, im going home.
love you all!!!!!!!!!!!
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 03:41:59 PM
IP: sunset.lib.uwo.ca

Thomas is busy packing up his stuff for Germany so I'll post right now.

Lain> Please don't think ill of me. I was only responding to his comment about ripping out my heart and stomping over it. I hope you still like me. It was a personal repsonse to a personal response and that is it.
The thing is what got me mad at him is that about six months to a year ago Robby wanted to break up with me, he said I could be with someone else. I forgot the whole reason of him saying that all of a sudden but that is when my views of him started to change. I started to think that our relationship was more of lust than love. *hugs Lain* Sorry if I got you POed, sometimes its hard for me to show my angry side until someone "ripped out my heart" too.

Coyote> I'm glad you wish us well and Thomas thought you'd see the parallel, but in all honesty, you and Ravyn are a much better couple and I hope Robby finds someone that can fit into his schedule soon.

That's all. Bye. *hugs Lain again* Maybe we'll talk again.
Heather H - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Warner Robins, Georgia
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 02:26:03 PM
IP: ac965bee.ipt.aol.com

Just a quick pass-through ... still looking for a place. But I had to jump in with this.

Robby: Live and learn, friend. Unfortunately I have first-hand experience with this.

Heather and GB: I hope you two are happy. And I don't mean that in a sarcastic sense, I just hope you two are happy. I seriously hope that this is something the two of you honestly and truly want, because basically what you've done to Robby is no different to what Aaron and Mara did to me.

That is all I have to say on this matter.
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Somewhere in limbo, Michigan
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 02:16:03 PM
IP: sccl.lib.mi.us

Well I just got back from the doctor and its offical.. I do have Social Anxiety...I also got some medication for it. I'm also in therapy...Yay Me.

Part of what the doctor told me is too learn like me for who I am and to share my thoughts with the world. She knows I'm am more talkative through typing. Basicaly I need to get over this fear of rejection and start submitting stuff.

So I'm going to practice by writing some fanfics.

Greg W's butt..So it has finally come to this...we are discussing Gregs posterior in the CR room. Now I don't know much about this topic since I wasn't looking at it. I was too busy checking out Thom Adcox's...;)

Saki..Allright! Whoop Whoop I'm looking forward to reading it.

Star was atack of the clones? Whatever happen to "The Clone wars and "Rise of the Empire?"

Josh>>>Hot and Humid? Sounds like perfect normal weather to me. Everday it's hot and humid down here. You became an Adult? It is offical Hell has frozen over.

Xanthar>>Happy Belated Birthday.

Stephen s jr.>>>I'll send you an E

"Are you chicken coloniel?" Dark Helmet to Coloniel Sanders.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl.
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 02:11:11 PM
IP: proxy.iad3.netsetter.com

heather (and GB)>> wow.. when i talked to you on the phone you sounded so charming.. whats with the flaming? that was really rather unnecessary and im sure hurtful.. id rather not start a flame war.. especially with one of the admins (never mind a friend) directly involved cos that would just be.. complicated.. and it would make my head hurt more.. and that would be mean..
if you want to be bitter about other people in this room, please take it OUT of the room or, better yet, subscribe to healthy practices and dont do it at all - that would make life sooooooo much simpler and happier for all. there is really no reason to add insult to injury. i suppose i just dont understand people who claim to love someone for however long and just pick up one day and start insulting them. if you want stories about people neglecting you, im the person you should talk to - im also the person who checks back every now and again to see if those people are still doing okay, and would do anything to help them if they were in trouble.. i just wouldnt tell them who it was.. maybe thats just me.. and im not tryin to be all preachy or anything just.. if its bad, please dont take it out on the other in front of their other friends. please have respect. thanks. : )

josh>> seeeeeeeeee?! its NOT just ALL ice-cubes and polar bears up here you know.. not like youd have believed me that it actually DID get hot up here if you hadnt experienced it for yourself. i think they actually put out a heat emergency warning yesterday it was so darned hot.
i stand corrected. liberal morals. however dont you think liberals are at least good for making fun of?
and toronto, ontario, saskatchewan, alberta, yukon, manitoba, kapuskasing, manatoulin island and etc etc arent named for other cities or places elsewhere in the empire.. nor are lots of towns up north.. neither is ottawa and.. well.. CANADA.. though i suppose saying youre visiting toronto is better than saying youre visiting hogtown..
how long are you here till and what are the chances of us hanging out? we could go to the bata shoe museum...; )

warps>> awwwwwwww... no net nookie for you, huh? well THAT sucks.. (or not..) naw.. if moochie calls, itll be at night time around some time you never call so yer okay : ) i dont think lilycards do overseas, unfortunately. if they do, ill send you one but i think they are only meant to work from here.
*grins* remember the shin.. good boy.. ; )

sj>> *choke* attack of the clones??? *gag choke pass out* okay.. THATS bad.. if they wanna hire someone to make up bad names, they could at least hire me and i could do it with STYLE... sheesh..

lady mystic>> that is a goodly idea. me likes : D but.. how are YOU lately, we hardly ever hear from you..

jannie>> yeah, i think its barry.. i havent been up on the news lately though. and ice cubes?? *crunches with vigour* mmmmmmmm... (*insert conotation of choice at will*) ; ) it keeps pretending its going to rain around here but its lying.. stinker..

robby>> what did i TELL you guys about posting in pink and blue with doi and that fairy???? THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF YOUD LISTENED TO ME!!!!!!!!! ITS YOUR OWN FAULT I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!!!....
well um... sorry anyways.. i feel really bad now but im sure youll forgive me.. i have only seen the first three tapes of vash the stampede and those are likely the only three ill see cos no video store has them (cept on DVD and i dont have DVD..) and im not rich enough to afford to order the tapes. booooooo : (
(sorry again!)

mmmmmmm now it is time for me to go to the doctor. hopefully he can fix this throbbing thing thats happening in my left ear and the excruciating pain in my wrists. i think i have an ear infection but i have NO CLUE whats wrong with my wrists. i have this bone-type-thing sticking out of my right one and maybe a cyst on my left (that they are probably gonna want to poke with sharp things... eeeeee...) yeah, im fallin apart.. luckily, i live in canada and we have shiny things like OHIP so even though i am a starving art student, i can still walk in and get an appointment within 2 hours - without cost. all i gots ta do is show my health card (that everyone has). yay. my ear thing stinks though cos of couse i couldnt get to sleep till 4am last night cos it hurt so much.. (i doped myself up with tylenol at around that time and soon passed out) and class at 10am is dark and we look at slides and its reaaaaaaally boooooooooring and every time i yawned it sent a giant pain shooting out into my head.
yes, i would like some cheese with my whine, thanks.. : P

oooooo and i have to register for my courses.. yee haw. must go now..

love,
lain "drinking spirits in the hope that i will find myself one.." iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White Sweltering North
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 02:07:33 PM
IP: sunset.lib.uwo.ca

*saki walks in the room smiling*
Hi everyone I'm back.I finally finished my story and it is up and ready to read along with my 10 things of humor. So what did ya guys think? E-mail me for either of my lil ideas or just one ok? I'll except any opinon but remember I'm new to this so be gentle ok? Well hope to see you all soon.

Sayonnara,
Saki ^_~
Saki Asameeya - [Ksmiley-TSroberts@woldrnet.att.com]
Glendale, AZ, USA
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 12:59:54 PM
IP: 31.phoenix-01rh16rt-az.dial-access.att.net

Thomas and Heather enter

Hello all. Tonight, I leave for Frankfurt and I hope to learn what will be going on with my assignment and all soon. I hope to post here before too long.

First, my dear Heather has some comments.

Heather:

Robby> <<On the other hand, now that Heather has ripped my heart out of my chest and stomped on it repeatedy by apparently dating Green Baron for a month or more before she broke up with me or even gave me a hint she liked GB,>>

I actually mentioned some things, though you're thickheaded **cue root beer commercial** and didn't catch on. In fact, you were glad he would be distracting me when you were in San Diego. Thomas didn't steal me. I chose him.

<<On the other hand, by taking back the engagement ring I'm
now up 1200 bucks,>> You told me you wouldn't get me a ring and I doubt my parents would let you in the door to see me to get the ring. Also, Thomas made efforts to see me and would send me e-cards long before we admitted how we felt. You never sent an e-card on my birthday nor did you receive any e-cards I sent. My only reason to delay telling you was because you would be hurt. Now, I would have told you some time ago. I probably should have broken the relationship a while back, since I felt so neglected for so long.

Jannie> Communication wasn't that common in the relationship. Now I just hope no flame war will erupt.

SJ> I chose Thomas. I tamed the Green Baron :)

Now, Thomas will speak.

Thomas:

Imzadi> I intend to stick by her regardless of what happens.

<> Well, if they're true Liberals, they'll have an open mind, but we know better than that. Besides, who would object to a Heston film festival in one of the rooms?

Jannie> I'll post as often as I can.

Niamhgold> I'm glad to hear how happy you are from me. Now, you have a reason to go to G02, so you can see us :)

Sobotka> It is reassuring to know I have someone waiting for me, plus I can have a better reason to not travel with certain bad influence battle buddies. I also hope to save a lot for when I see Heather.

Jaden> Your getting old, too :) Once you're in Ft Lewis, you can meet Christine :)

SJ> <<He was. He played Thade's dying father. I guess he thought it'd be more fun to play one of the apes this time around.>>

I wish that was in the credits. I am going to get the DVD set of all those movies, to enhnace my Heston film collection. Let me know if you want a Heston film festival and see some films you never saw before.

Calling Lieberman a Nazi is a bit insulting since he is an Orthodox Jew, though I find it more fitting for gun-hating putzhead Charles Schumer :)

As for Bush's vacation, his job is more stressful than that of a major CEO and not nearly the same pay level. Bush's main virtue is his skill at delegating instead of being a micro-manager like Gore or Clinton, so his Cabinet is very competent as well as Cheney.

Besides, I'd vote for Bush over Hillary Clinton :)

Imzadi> <<Apparently, you’re also a stupid republican. I voted Nader.>> I'm a Republican, but I voted for Harry Browne. Bush is raising my pay so I like him :)

As for bad elections, Tom Campbell should have stayed in his House seat where he would keep Silicon valley in GOP power. Plus if that !$#@#!#@!@# Barbara Boxer could be re-elected, Dianne Feinstein would win easily.

Crzy and SJ> At least you two keep it joking, and you two have more in common than you realize, like Londo and G'Kar :)

Thank you to all who wished me a Happ Birthday. Now I am off. Auf Weidershein!!!
Thomas and Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Warner Robins, GA
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 11:54:11 AM
IP: ac87e569.ipt.aol.com

No time to compose a real post, but I just wanted to complain.

IT'S FRICKING HOT!!!

You just stand outside and you're soaked in sweat. Ugh. Of course, the dog wants a long walk and runs around like a lunatic. I think I'm moving to Alaska. :P
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 11:46:36 AM
IP: adsl-138-89-122-250.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

*Warpmind enters, looking grumpy.*
Dull day today... first, I oversleep, and have to skip breakfast. Then, I spend three hours at the library, and guess how many show up? TWO PERSONS! At about five minutes before closing time, no less. And they just wander around, BROWSING! WITHOUT BORROWING ANYTHING! *Fume* Ahhhh, that ranting felt gooooood... *Sigh*

Lain: I'm alive. Just running low on money on the phone. You know how it is. (If I'd get my hands on one of them lilycards, maybe... or some other cheap, international calling card service...) Oh, and Moochie's coming home? *Sigh* Ditch the answering machine, insert busy signal... which cancels Call Friend, Surf The Net, Net Nookie and Phone Nookie... };) And what's this I'm not supposed to say? *Runs a hand along left upper arm, then over left shin* Oh, right... THAT... };)

Robby: I didn't get to say this before... but I know pretty much how you feel. *Sighs* It's like a tickle fight with Freddy Krueger, innit? :(

SJ: As far as button-pushing jokes go... say... is that a remote control in your hand in that pic? };)

Josh: They were desperate, okay? They needed someone unlikely to get smashed during the first half an hour. (Yes, there was alcohol involved. Legally. Almost everyone present got carded at least once.) When it turned out I got someone else smashed in such a remarkable way, they asked if I could be called upon again. ;) (But you're right, I'm not the normal bouncer type. Then again, sometimes an insidious, somewhat dextrous person is better than the usual Australopithecus variety found so easily...)

Jan: Reputations are worth something. For good or bad. (variable point value by GURPS rules, depending on type and... oh, wait...) A reputation isn't something you get for free - you HAVE to earn it, otherwise it's just a rumor. Reputations generally require some degree of not only plausibility, but actual evidence of the events in question. Otherwise, it's a rumor.

SJ again: Well, the Star Wars title there is definitely bad, but... probably not the worst title ever. I mean, presumably, the title does at least relate to the plot... unlike other movies I have seen. (Though, in those cases, the titles were usually not the original ones...)

Fire Storm: No, no, no, Star Wars Episode 3 - Forced to flee! };)

Dat's it for now. Cheerio, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 07:32:01 AM
IP: garibaldi.ti.telenor.net

Star Wars: Episode 3 - Night of the living Jedi
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 03:07:13 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

*SJ staggers into the CR*

I'm sorry, I just had to return for a second....I'm so stupefied right now, I could be living a Disturbed song.

Ahem.

"Star Wars: Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones"

Attack of the Clones. Well, I give up. Silly me, I thought he couldn't POSSIBLY do worse than "The Phantom Menace".

Say it with me, boys and girls! Worst...title....EVER!!!
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 02:37:39 AM
IP: 66-44-55-5.s259.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

***** TGS CR INFO UPDATE & ANNOUNCEMENT *****

UPDATE:

The CR Archive has been updated to include weeks up to Saturday, August 4, 2001 for a total of 2 weeks added to the 2001 database (7/21 - 7/28 and 7/28 - 8/4).

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2001/

ANNOUNCEMENT:

RE: CR DWELLER INFO

I have had a chance to only briefly scan posts regarding requests for archived information concerning TGS CR dwellers (ie: birthdays and such). I think this isn't a totally bad idea and am willing to accommodate this data in it's own section in TGS CR Information. The people that post here make up the CR itself and thus deserve at least some attention in the CR Info pages. However, limitations have to be made to ensure fairness and guard against misuse. I will have more to say on this once I have read comments made over the past several weeks. So after this post I'm going to immediately start reading past CR weeks. I will have more to say on this matter in my next post(s), which may come later today.

***** END TGS CR INFO UPDATE & ANNOUNCEMENT *****
Lady Mystic - [<--- TGS CR ARCHIVE UPDATE !!!]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 01:41:40 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Stephen> I can't believe that you received a write up for that amount of shortage! geesh!! That's really being a pick-ass. >:| Glad that your drawer came out even after the rush :) Many years ago I worked at K-Mart. My drawer was around $5 over - I asked the manager if we could split the difference ;) we'd each make an extra $2.50 *L* If our drawers were significantly under or over then we'd get the "lecture" to do better, but certainly not a write up over such a small amount.

SJ> I'm with Azrael on this one... get over it. ;p President Bush has taken a break from Washington DC ... so? It's not like he disappeared off the face of the Earth with no way of being contacted. Geesh, the man just went to his ranch to take a breather. The President shouldn't get some time away?? He has the highest stressed job in the country and you don't think he should get some rest? I personally don't want an over-tired and over-stressed President making national decisions. I haven't figured out what the big deal is about it. At least he's not going and taking 65 of personal friends to some foreign country at our expense or using "company time" raising campaign funds. He's just taking a bit of R&R at the ranch. Newsflash: They DO have phones, faxes, computers, etc. in Texas. He's maybe an hour away from the Whitehouse. So yeah, like Azrael said, get over it! ;) you goober *L*

Robby> I'm sorry that you found out about GB and Heather in the manner that you did. That's not fair to you. However, at the risk of being too nosey.... did Heather not hint or say *anything* that might make you wonder? Did ya'll not communicate often? That aside, I'm sorry for the way that it happened to you.

Happy (belated) Birthday to the CR's this week and past :)

Lain> I know the pain you are suffering with the heat *nods* I have a relief tonight, though. We are receiving the tail end of Tropical Storm Barry (?) and the rain cooled things down here a bit. My toes are actually cold right now :) *hands you an ice cube*

I went to see Planet of the Apes tonight. I really liked it! We discussed some of the possibilities of why it ended like it did... but I won't go into that now - don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it yet and is going to.

Christine> thank you :) *hugs* That makes me feel better! I say that we all have our crosses to carry and Anna is mine. I just hope that I'm able to help this child overcome any of the "bad" traits that he/she will possibly inherit from the mother or father ;) At least I will have had practice for any of Anna's traits that might surface in the child. *L*

DPH> it's good seeing you here more often! I love reading your post :)

Josh> you voted for Nader? I'm not surprised. ;)

I'm calling it a night. I'm worn out from arguing with this jerk on another forum board. He's a known liar... and then tries to tell me that a reputation doesn't mean anything. It does when you've *earned* the reputation. *nods* ohwell, too many idiots and not enough bullets.
Jan
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 12:25:40 AM
IP: modem20-222.mo-net.com

::Walks into the CR listening to Live’s “Mental Jewelry” album::

Yeah, I know, Throwing Copper was better. But this is what I brought with me to funny-money land.

Today I woke up at the very respectable hoor of noon. Adeena and I decided that instead of running amuck aroond Toronto, we would rent a couple movies and veg in the hoose. We walked to the movie store.

That was oor first mistake.

I’m from LA, so I’m no wuss when it comes to warm weather, but it was pretty uncomfortable oot there. Hot and humid…yuck. Anyway, we walked to the video store and rented a couple movies: The Whole Nine Yards and 3000 Miles to Graceland. We also stopped at a bakery and picked up some bagels and “double-chocolate croissants”. As soon as we saw them, we both lunged for them. She is SO my cousin.

We watched Nine Yards first. Bruce Willis plays an assassin who moves in next door to Matthew Perry, a dentist. Amanda Peet and Ving Rhames also play assassins. It’s a very funny movie. Rated R for violence (assassinations), but not much else (I don’t think there was any actual BLOOD in the movie). Oh yeah, Peet is naked, which might be enough of a reason to go rent this (though personally I’ll watch any movie that features Ving Rhames and/or Bruce Willis shooting people, which explains my obsession with Die Hard and ConAir).

Then I did something really horrible. I acted like an adult.

After that was over, we took a short break before starting 3000 Miles…which I abruptly put a stop to. The only scene I had seen from this movie was the ootstanding gunfight scene. So I thought it was just solid action, which is fine for a 14 year old cousin. 5 minutes into the movie, I discovered I was horribly wrong when Courtney Cox screws Kurt Russell’s brains oot. Not to mention the language is SO awful and derogatory that I couldn’t justify letting my little cousin watch it. You’d never guess she was 14 talking to or looking at her…then again my closest thing to an experience with 14 year olds is my 13 year old brother. But it just wasn’t for her. So we killed that. That’s alright, I’ll rent it when I get back up to school.

But it sucked having to act like a mature responsible person. I could be very happy if I never did that again.

I had an actual homework assignment tonight! Tomorrow, I’m going with Paul on-site to do some field work. He’s a geotechnical engineer, so I get to find oot what it is he does for a living. Its like a 2-day internship. Tomorrow we’re gonna check oot a landfill site for LASCO (Lake Ontario Steel Company) to make sure its working correctly. My assignment was to read a 12-page ootline of the process that occurs in getting the city to approve a landfill. Not terribly interesting, but not boring either. This is my first real opportunity to see where my major can lead.

Spent a bunch of time tonight working on my site, updating the models section, fixing typos, updating other information. Unfortunately, since my work is on my laptop and I can’t get online with it, the updates will remain offline until I get back to LA. You’ll just have to wait until then. And I know you were dying to see the new stuff. Sorry.

On to replies!

CrzyDemona: << you don't rate high enough for me to spell check posts I direct towards you>>: What aboot me? Do *I* rate high enough? Ya know, since I’m “infinitely more complex and interesting” than SJ? <<my advice would be not to bitch about the Gathering Staff unless you know what you're talking about>>: a) no one ever listens to unsolicited advice. b) bitching aboot that which we know nothing aboot is what makes us American. c) who’s to say he doesn’t know what he’s talking aboot? << It sorta makes you look bad>>: I think it makes him look funny. You can’t put yourself up for public office (or as public as this fandom gets) and expect not to be ridiculed or mocked. << Just in case you failed to notice>>: What you mean is “just in case he failed to see things from your point of view”. I think we can safely assume that he’s not doing any such thing. << CrzyJen's helpful hint of the day>>: And you think I’M arrogant!? <>: I’m curious how that conclusion was drawn. << me nailing SJ. Not a pleasant thought>>: Yeah, whatever. I know you want him. << have you SEEN Greg's ass>>: There are SO many comments I could make here. I’ll keep my trap shut. << SJ would never get enough fat out of his ass to make ANY soap>>: You have Greg’s ass confused with mine. <>: There are so many things I could say in response to this. Just know that I saw it and I’m archiving it.

Robby: <>: I know the feeling of having a bad birthday. Sucks. I feel for you, man. << I'm now up 1200 bucks>>: Blow it on something nice. I would.

Fire Storm: << Not much has changed>>: Wait, you’re only 23? Why did I think you were older? << Can you imagine the clan ordering it>>: Anything that features Demona fighting other women is gonna be rented by at least Goliath and Iago, probably Xanatos too. Brooklyn would watch to cheer for the opposition, and Hudson will watch static if that’s all that’s on. << Italian professor Severino Antinori>>: You don’t think that Greg W knew aboot that, do you? << Right now I have 11x the amount of ram in it compared to when I got it. AND I have 5x the hard drive space on it!>>: When I’m done with the upgrades, my tower will have 12x the original ram and only only 4x the original HD space. ;-) That’s gonna be a few years away though. << The CR archive? Got the entire thing>>: But is it indexed? << Did you rock it to sleep>>: Nope, just put the top down. << Scary thought... you as a father. ::shudder::>>: And you haven’t even met me. Why do you think I promised everyone I wouldn’t breed? << What are the 6>>: Five of them are “women that Josh has slept with”. <>: Amen, Brotha! <<Website>>: Slow as all hell, but otherwise cool. I really like the bit with “Billy” and “Linus”. But you forgot to throw in “Steve” ;-) << I'll just blame someone else>>>: Blame moochie!

Baldy: <>: Somehow, you just don’t strike me as the booncer type. << I'd probably be more than happy to sit around and drool over it>>: Amen. << are you speaking as an expert on soap, fat, Greg's butt, or any combination of the three?>>: Do you really want the answer to this question? I’m betting on the Greg’s Butt. But that’s just me.

GXB: << Batman VS Macbeth>>: That would be a fun fight to watch. Both have nifty gadgets and great fighting skills. << Ras al' Ghul VS Xanatos>>: Um, no. Ras is kind of old. Really old. Unless it was Xanatos vs. al’ Ghul after he got oot of the Lazarus pits…THAT would be entertaining. Or Fox vs. Talia.

Lain: << we were just in agreement for about half a second on the fact that bush is a moron>>: I don’t know many republicans who will argue that point. << unlike SOME of us, the REST of us (like me) have to work>>: I have to work! I’m just on my second vacation in a month. ;-) << if ya wanna see me, yer commin HERE cos i sure as heck aint goin THERE>>: Argh. <>: Don’t start with me, young lady. Some of us do have lives. << liberals are good for SOMETHING>>: No, liberal morals are good for something. Liberals are bad ;-) <>: We didn’t go. << MOOCHIE IS COMING HOME TODAY>>: Curses! Does that mean he’s gonna be aroond to defend himself now? << we like to name stuff simple around here>>: That explains why every city in this country is named for a city elsewhere in the Empire. <>: Isn’t that redundant?

Queen of Pain: << Where you dream you falling and then you wake with a shake and realize your in bed and all is safe>>: I hate it when that happens. I never want to go back to sleep after those. << Your slipping man>>: Sorry, must be the banana peels all over the floor. << I'm more of a Zima drinker>>: Never tried it. Maybe I should. << a jellyfish stung him in the male netheregions>>: Good god that would SUCK.

DPH: << welcome to the wide world of MPs>>: Huh? << Why personally take over the world>>: For fun and profit. << Wouldn't it be much safer to pull all the strings from behind the scenes>>: Probably, but not as much fun.

The Wizard: << Sorry to all, no long post tonight>>: Nuts! I was hoping for one, too.

Sevarius, Jr.: << To the girl who loves me>>: Is that like a “Dear John” letter? << the art of smartassery>>: It is an art, isn’t it? << just doesn't appreciate good sarcasm>>: I think she does, just not when its directed at her. << we're not REALLY going to make soap from Greg Weisman's ass cheese>>: I was gonna go straight for Thom Adcox for that stuff. <>: I bet that thrills her beyond compare. << Fellow filthy-minded individuals, insert "button"-pushing joke here>>: That WAS the joke. << this is suddenly a rather tense situation>>: I disagree. We’ll know when she’s REALLY pissed off. << If Some of You Were Offended, Let Me Say From the Bottom of My Heart...I Don't Give A Shit>>: Amen to that!

Xanathar: << It was my birthday yesterday,I'm now 25 years old>>: Congrats…old man ;-)

See? We really do need a CR calendar of birthdays.

Stephen: << Had a day that almost made me wish I'd stayed in bed>>: It started with waking up, didn’t it? Every day I wish I stayed in bed, it’s because I made the mistake of waking up. << being short all of $2.74 the other day>>: Wow. What a group of cash-nazis. When I worked retail, we were in trouble if we were more than $25 short. << Suddenly, there's a side to you that seems to be more likeable that before>>: Probably because its not directed at you this time.

Good nite folks. I have to be up by the crack of noon tomorrow.

Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity - and I'm not sure about the former.
-Albert Einstein

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, eh?
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 12:19:02 AM
IP: hse-toronto-ppp255355.sympatico.ca

Sabledrake > thanks for the feedback! I've got Tim checking those links. As always, a huge thank-you to all our contributors. Every quarter, I worry that we won't have enough features, and every quarter, I'm blown away by the great stuff we get sent!

BattleBots > I'm devastated after tonight's ep. 'Nuff said.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, August 8, 2001 12:15:04 AM
IP: 17-020.075.popsite.net

Greetings all...

Had a day that almost made me wish I'd stayed in bed... I got my first "write-up" at my current job; for my cash drawer being short all of $2.74 the other day. <sigh> I basically said I'd try to do better, and then was thrown into a crush-rush lunch that made standing in the Drive-Thru cashier's spot not a fun place to be... When it was all said and done (time for break!), my manager pulled my drawer out, and spotted a $5 and a $10 underneath a pile of $20's in the space below my drawer (NOTE: 20-bills go under a drawer because that's where the most room is.) So, it looked like I was going to be short BIG time!

However, i got the word later after my drawer was counted that I wasn't short... in fact, I had a PERFECT count (neither short or over) with a profic of over $1000 for my 2 hour stint in Drive-Thru. That got me an Atta-boy from my manager, and a sigh of relief from yours truly!

With that said, onto replies:

ROBBY - As much as I don't like to be stradling the fence on such things, I find myself caught in the middle on this one. I mean, I like GB and wish him the best with Heather... but I really sympathize with you over your loss out of this whole shebang. Getting tossed aside like this isn't something fun. Believe me, I've been there before. The best thing I can tell you is to do what I've done; pick up what remains of your heart, tuck it back inside your torso, and move on. Yeah, it's painful, but look at it this way (and no this isn't tripe either!) you're young! You're working for AP! You've got a hell of a lot of road left to travel before your life is really over. So buck up, chum! listen to one voice of experience...

SPACEBABIE/XENATREK - If you two are around, I think you;d might want to know I'm paying some of our fellow fen a visit this friday and saturday. Want to get together somewhere in Orlando to meet? I dunno when I'll be over in that part of the state again. ^_^

CHRISTINE - Glad to see the new issue! And hope the server problems are resolved sooest!

SJ - Suddenly, there's a side to you that seems to be more likeable that before (claps hands) Good attitude there over Crzy's reaction... I mean, i know I can take a joke when I know it's a joke. To quoth a lady-bard: "Someone needs to buy a ticket to Clue City!" ^_^

Well, that's all from me tonight... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 11:00:04 PM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

Hi Guys!!

I'm in a bit of a hurry but I just wanted to let you know that It was my birthday yesterday,I'm now 25 years old(I got a few presents but it was definately better than last years birthday(last year was NOT a good year for me).I had a good time on the weekend,I went to the football with friends(My team lost unfortunately,but it was a close game)and then we had a BBQ(in which my friends gave me a nice suprise birthday cake! :) )

I'll try and catch up with the rest of the room later but for now I'll just drop off my new email address,c'yas....

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 10:55:35 PM
IP: cpe-203-45-26-71.vic.bigpond.net.au

To the girl who loves me...

Well, somebody doesn't quite understand the art of smartassery, and just doesn't appreciate good sarcasm. I am Jack's total lack of surprise.

Naturally, it was all a joke (we're not REALLY going to make soap from Greg Weisman's ass cheese). I just find it funny that, for some reason, I can always push Crzy's button. (Fellow filthy-minded individuals, insert "button"-pushing joke here).

But this is suddenly a rather tense situation, so I will leave you with a quote from Redd Fox that always brings me calm in situations like this:

"My Purpose Was to Entertain, Not to Offend. However, If Some of You Were Offended, Let Me Say From the Bottom of My Heart...I Don't Give A Shit."
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 09:01:04 PM
IP: 66-44-68-142.s142.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Lain- Thats because I'm not the one who brought up the Vash in the shower scene, Aaron is! Once again, people are confusing the two of us. If it helps any, he's the one in New York with Mara right now, and I'm the one who's home and depressed. As far as the Vash shower scene goes, that's on the fourth tape I think, MAYBE the the fifth. I'm pretty sure its the same tape as the one Monev the Gale is in... Its an... interesting scene, you'll likely not look at Vash the same way again. On the other hand, after he deals with Monev, you'll likely not look at Vash the same way again... Thanks for the support BTW.

Spacebabie- Thank you for the support as well...
Gargs versus Outlaw Star characters? Well, these are odd match ups...
Gene versus Brooklyn- If Gene has his gun and one or two of the SPECIAL bullets, its all over for Brook. If hand to hand, it goes to Brook easily.
Sata vs. Suzuka- Suzuka easily. The woman cleaved a bus in half with one stroke for cryin' out loud! Lengthwise! (Now, Suzuka vs. Goemon from Lupin the Thrid I'd lvoe to see, but...)
Jim vs. Lex- These two wouldn't fight hand to hand, they'd have a building contest. And because Jim is familiar with space and alien tech, he has an advantage. On the other hand, Lex can hardwire himself into a system and pick up on the tricks quickly, so I'll give it to Lex.
Angela vs. Melfina- Angela easily. All Mel does is float around in a tube naked... Unless Melfina is in the Outlaw Star at the time, and uses the guns...
Aisha vs. Demona- I refuse to rate this one cause Aisha is one of my favorite anime characters ever and I don't want to think about the results of her going up against an immortal. However, if it were some OTHER sort of contest... I think we need to ask Aaron on this one... (Then again, he has Demmie tatooed on his chest...)
Goliath vs. Hazanko- Hazanko. Way too much freakin' power and ability on that guy's side to lose.
Harry vs. Jackal- They wouldn't fight, they'd team up. Then Jackal would scheme behind Harry's back, and just as he's about to double cross him, gets sucked out an airlock.
Xanatos vs. Ron- Uhm? What prompted this one? Xanatos I guess...
Hudson vs. Gwen Khan- Hudson. Gwen is just an insane old scientist who never really does all that much...
Robby
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 08:40:59 PM
IP: acaf0a66.ipt.aol.com

** Niamhgold enters quickly **

Hi! Sorry to all, no long post tonight, because I have once again managed to bring my work home with me. Tonight's project--come up with a web layout for a game called Stock Tycoon. Didn't get to do it in work because phones were ringing like crazy. And to think, yesterday was one of the most drag-down slow days of the summer ;)

Gside: Good to see you back and alive! BTW, what the heck is poutine?

More tomorrow, or later if I get the stuff on dad's laptop done tonight.

Adios!
Niamhgold
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 06:52:57 PM
IP: lac-flex211.ncia.net

okaaaaay.. so they changed my work schedule so im only working from 3:30-10ish so.. thats all good... cept i had to find something to do that DIDNT involve going outside.. cos its the hottest thing since they invented... something really hot out there... i mean like REALLY hot... like they put out a heat emergency warning out kinda hot. its hot. my igloo melted 5 hours and its so hot my polar bear is in bad shape. so stop making fun of it being hot in canada, its nearly 40 degrees (celcius) out there.. if not ACTUALLY 40 degrees.. its HOT!!!!! i think im gonna choke every time i go out the door.. so ill just stay here in my niiiiice coooooomfy airconditioned public library and then go swelter in the so-called air conditioned atmosphere of lewiscraft. air conditioned? MY BUM!!!!!
*glares at warpmind* i KNOW you want to say it, but ill threaten you in advance... briiiiiiiittanyyyyyy.... *ethically challenged grin*
aaaaaah well.. it at least smells like a thunderstorm so.. itd better NOT be lying this time.. I WANT THUNDER!!!!! BIG OL LIGHTNING!!!!!!!!!!! YAHOOOOO!!

*ahem*

anyways.. i had some semi interesting stuff to say but i cant really remember what it is at the moment. i think the heat has gone to my brain. well when i got on this computer, the jock who was using it before me forgot to close the window where hed been looking at the porn... gah.. i didnt think they were allowed to look at that kind of stuff on public computers. hmmmmmmmm.. what else to say... class was dull.. and i need to register for my courses but i cant bear to walk that far in this heat. dads goin to FRANCE in a few more days. oooo and i took out an application for a credit card.. not like im ever gonna USE it.. i HATE credit cards but i figure if i ever want to go to the gathering or something, ill need it for the hotel. stupid credit card.. no fee mastercard though. i figure if i aint gonna use it, i aint gonna PAY for it : P

spacebabie>> i hate beer too.. oh wait, does that make me a lousy canadian? i hate hockey, too.. *ducks the wrath of beer-crazed hockey fans* heh.. good thing their aim gets bad when theyre drunk.. ; )

josh>> that body of water would most likely be lake ontario. you know, the big lake.. thats in ontario? yeah, thats the one.. we like to name stuff simple around here..

dubble>> poutine? i wouldnt touch poutine with a 10-foot pole.. no wait, i hate beer, hockey, and i dont like poutine.. i really AM a lousy canadian... awwwww... : P

daniel j>> *blinks innocently* me been stealing u's?? wherever would u get an idea like that??

robby>> more snugglies and.. well maybe a little schnorf just for a change.. check your email?
and.. WOLFWOODS ARM?!?!?! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! now that IS tragic.. wolfwood is COOL.. "thats because its so full of MERCY!!!" .. tee hee.. and you still never answered my question as to whether the shower scene with vash would be worth the wait...

ah.. well i think that be all cos i have to go stumble back to workies now. *siiiiiigh* oh well. at least its money!

love,

lain "its RODIN i tell you!!" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 02:43:56 PM
IP: 198.96.83.117

Imzadi - welcome to the wide world of MPs.

Why personally take over the world? Wouldn't it be much safer to pull all the strings from behind the scenes?

I still want to make sure no matter who takes over the world, I'm safe. That's not being too picky, considering you could kill me, but before you finish I could have a few asteroids headed towards Earth. It's all about balance.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 11:47:52 AM
IP: max1-4.cwy.cei.net

Robby>>>HUG...I know it won't make you 100 better but I'm just letting you know I want you to feel better and I hope you will get better.

Has anyone ever cried in their dreas before? I did last night I dreamet I was at a waffle breakfast and I just broke down crying. I never experianced that before although I have experianced Hypnotic Jerk

Hypnotic Jerk...Where you dream you falling and then you wake with a shake and realize your in bed and all is safe.

Josh>>>Your slipping man, Whatever happened to Queen of Pain?Anyways I hate the taste of beer too. I'm more of a Zima drinker.I doubt you will find any Zima in Canada though, I doubt they even know it exists.

Jeff Probst got injured again...While fliming the third survivor he got stung by my zodiac symbol...A scorpion. The guy gets injured each survivor it seems. The first one was the most painful...a jellyfish stung him in the male netheregions.

GARGOYLE FIGHT CLUB
Gargoyles vs Outlaw Star Charcters

Gene vs Brooklyn
Sata Vs Suzuka
Jim vs Lexington
Angela vs Melfina((Only because both had identity issuse and finding their place in the wrold))
Aisha vs Demona
Goliath vs Hazanko
Harry vs Jackyl
Xanatose vs Ron
Hudson vs Gwen Khan

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 11:05:27 AM
IP: proxy.ord.netsetter.com

sj>> what? read what??? huh?? but.. i think we were just in agreement for about half a second on the fact that bush is a moron.. wow... mark it down somewhere...

josh>> well well well... unlike SOME of us, the REST of us (like me) have to work and go to deathly booooooooring classes so if ya wanna see me, yer commin HERE cos i sure as heck aint goin THERE. im workin from 1 till 10 today so.. if ya wants ta call me, call me there. i called you yesterday but you didna call back. i assume thats cos yer such a gentleman.. : P and yes, there ARE lots of hot women up here... (and lots of them have lax liberal morals, too.. see?? liberals are good for SOMETHING...)
i hope caribana was fun.. cultural festival-a-rific!

*blinks at robby slightly uncomprehendingly* huh? oh..kaaaay.. *smacks self for not having enough time to keep up on whats going on in the CR lately..* huggles? *huggles*

warps>> you havent called in the past two days.. i was beginning to wonder if you were still.. you know.. ALIVE... glad to know you are.. i was gettin worried.....

MOOCHIE IS COMING HOME TODAY!!!!!!!!! MOOOOOOOOOOCHIE!!!!!!!!! but.. i think they disconnected his net so he wont be online. hes been working on guns for the black angel but i left my notes at home so i cant tell you.. maybe next time....... but..... HE CAN CAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL ME!!!!!!!!!! YAHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *insanely large grin* yeah well... at least HES payin the phone bills this time.. ; )

love you!!!
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 10:34:26 AM
IP: 198.96.83.69

GARGOYLES FIGHT CLUB

Batman VS Macbeth - The two should be quite evenly matched, and this fight would be better and more evenly matched than Goliath VS Batman.

Ras al' Ghul VS Xanatos - Ah, a real battle right here.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 08:25:12 AM
IP: dialin-95-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*Warpmind enters, grinning unethically.*
Well, I was asked to work last night, as a bouncer at a party. Unfortunately, there was a pusher there, trying to sell ecstacy to the partygoers. He didn't succeed - I was instantly notified, and asked him to leave... he was slightly intoxicated, push came to shove... and I had to bounce him. Off the walls. Repeatedly. A job well done. (One of the stronger bouncers finally held the schmuck down until the police showed up. The guy had something in the vicinity of 30 E pills and about 12 grams of weed. So he's off the grapevine for some time now...

Anyway, post.

Josh: That book is extremely hard to come by. (Ugh, bad choice of words...) Mostly because nearly all copies of it are under lock, key and croygenic suspension... it's too hot an item. };) And I'm not jealous of Siofra's build. (Now, don't get me wrong - I'd probably be more than happy to sit around and drool over it, but...)

Dubble: I'm not sure, but... did we meet at G'01? I seem to recall the tag, but... Õõ

SJ: Actually, I doubt you'd find that book where you suggest it... however, I *do* have access to one... unfortunately, I don't have the access code to the cryo unit, and -167 degrees Celsius is a bit too cold for me to rummage about in... :/

Christine: Newest Sabledrake looks fine, but I think there's a mislinking in the Reviews section - both links go to the Pern book.

Crzy: This will hurt me... but regarding SJ's suggestion about making soap out of Greg's butt - are you speaking as an expert on soap, fat, Greg's butt, or any combination of the three? };)

Fire Storm: I'm not telling what the 6 are. Actually, I'm not sure, myself - the book's on ice...

Well, that's it for now. Later, all.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 06:26:21 AM
IP: garibaldi.ti.telenor.net

You know... I really should double check my post before I post... na, I'll just blame someone else!

And now for some REALLY important news...
My website is now back online!
AND there is some new material on there too! Heck, if I keep this up, I may actually have a REAL story up in a week or two!
Fire Storm - [<--- Site. Here. Go now. Or ELSE.]
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 06:00:43 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Is it just me or is the GFW down again?

Had my 5th year high school reunion Sunday… Not much has changed. Only about 30-40 people showed up out of a class of over 200. Friday we (LM and I, duh!) went to our city's Homecoming celebration and saw a friend from the grade after us who told us more info in 45 minutes than we learned in the 3 hours at the reunion!

SJ: <THIS would be one for the pay-per-view>
Oh yeah. Can you imagine the clan ordering it? Or how pissed Demona would be to find out that so many people at Nightstone ordered it?
Or how pissed MacBeth would be that it was happening? ;)

Found your daddy!
"Italian professor Severino Antinori …are set to unveil their plans" (to clone a human)
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/08/06/clone.doctor/index.html

Speaking of clones…
"Star Wars: Episode II -- Attack of the Clones."
Anyone looking forward to this? You know… I am reminded of "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes."

Bush: Can I get his job? Work 6 months, get 1 month off! That's pretty sweet!

Ram upgrading: Heck, within a week of getting my laptop, I 5x'ed the amount of ram in it. Right now I have 11x the amount of ram in it compared to when I got it. AND I have 5x the hard drive space on it!

Imzadi: <Might take a few hundred meg (lots of text, but you don't need to archive the pics) but it'd probably be worth it.>
The CR archive? Got the entire thing. Only about 60 meg. And the pics are only about 3.81 meg total.

Did you rock it to sleep? ;)
Scary thought... you as a father. ::shudder::

Warpmind: <"Sex Magick: the 37 Unspeakable Acts, including a compendium of several Speakable ones, and six more that everyone involved would rather just forget about">
What are the 6?

David G: <Besides, it would be mean to beat up on someone in a wheelchair>
Does that mean that the current Batman comics are not cannon in the Batman: Beyond universe? Barbara Gordon walks in Beyond.

New fight: Gargoyles vs the Teleatubbies!
Demona vs Drinkie-Winkie ;)

Christine: <well, didn't we just figure ... Jerri is in Playboy>
Ah, I just read Playboy for the articles… mainly because the pictures suck.
BTW... what's with all the women in there having their lips clipped?

CrzyDemona: <Anyway, have you SEEN Greg's ass?>
...
Na... way too easy! ;)

And now for some REALLY important news...
My website is now back online!
AND there is some
Fire Storm - [<--- My site! It's alive, ALIVE! (I have always wanted to say that!)]
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 05:55:06 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

SJ- I do so much stuff at AP and get my name into so much crap anymore it really doesn't give me much of a thrill to see my name in print anymore, and so I don't talk about it as much as I once did. And I'm assuming you wouldn't care about picking up something I worked on just doing color work on. And if you aren't a Ninja High School fan, you probably won't understand the crap I'm now writing and coloring on a monthly basis anyways. (Ninja High School issues 85-89 are all issues I wrote and am coloring, 85 and 86 are actually out now...) Tho if I finish it in time, my piece for this year's NHS annual should be fun. Its got spaceships, a mild Queen Emeraldis tribute, catgirls, hotsprings, a giant mecha suit, and Steve Irwin, Crocadile Hunter... Probably only be 6 or so pages due to time contraints tho...

On the other hand, now that Heather has ripped my heart out of my chest and stomped on it repeatedy by apparently dating Green Baron for a month or more before she broke up with me or even gave me a hint she liked GB, (completely out of the blue and catching me totally off guard, I seriosly had absolutley no idea that was coming) I haven't nearly as much reason to stay online for IM conversations anymore, and might get a whole lot of work done in my currently depressed free time state. (Considering I literally got NOTHING for my birthday in the way of presents to distract me for the next couple of weeks, and none of my friends were able to stop by for more than like 10 minutes apiece, I think it officially counts as my worst birthday ever, thus, officially making last week the worst week of my life... On the other hand, by taking back the engagement ring I'm now up 1200 bucks, but that's really not much of an upside considering the messiness entailed in that...)
Robby
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 03:57:40 AM
IP: ac8b0751.ipt.aol.com

SJ - Just FYI... and I know this will be shocking to you. But you don't rate high enough for me to spell check posts I direct towards you. Sorry, fella.

... and HEY! I doubt you even know Siryn and her crew... my advice would be not to bitch about the Gathering Staff unless you know what you're talking about. (which, as usual, you don't). It sorta makes you look bad. Just in case you failed to notice. There ya go! CrzyJen's helpful hint of the day! I must love ya, SJ... It must be love. (Just don't be like your friend Fred and think I REALLY am in love with you, k?)

Josh - As for me nailing SJ. Not a pleasant thought, thankyouverymuch. :P I am FAR more annoyed at the comment on my friend, Greg. Anyway, have you SEEN Greg's ass? SJ would never get enough fat out of his ass to make ANY soap. ::Shrugs:: Go figure.

I'm tired... post more tomorrow. blah
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 03:20:30 AM
IP: 1cust115.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Hey folks.

Last night I had the most bizarre dream…and now I know exactly where to go with my fic. None of you have any idea what I’m talking aboot, but that’s okay. Don’t mind me.

Today I woke up aroond 1030 and went rollerblading with my cousins near the water (which body of water is not known to me, I was busy checking oot women). We had lunch at an upper-class mall-like thingy and then the adults rollerbladed back to the car and I walked aroond and hung oot with Adeena, the eldest daughter of the group (hands off, SJ, she’s 14).

Anyway, there are a lot of cute girls here in Canada. SJ, I think you’d like it here. Since you and I are the same person, you will obviously have my taste in women. And in fact, I think that you do. We should hang if you’re ever in my neck of the woods (or concrete, as it were).

I’m sure I violated 83 Orthodox Jewish tenets by eating a club sandwich and drinking soda, but oh well. At least it tasted good, and quite frankly I’m not comfortable ordering beer every place I go (nevermind the fact that I don’t LIKE beer, that’s irrelevant. I can order it, so I should). And Jews don’t believe in hell, so what’s the worst that can happen? ::lightning strikes Josh:: ooch. Now I get it.

My cousin’s new husband, Paul, is an engineer. I’m an engineer. Quite frankly, I don’t think this family can handle two engineers living in the hoose at the same time. Apparently, we’re “weird”. Whatever that means. I think its nice having a family member that actually thinks along my wavelength and understands all my jokes withoot having to explain them. Of course, he isn’t related to me by blood, so I begin to wonder if I’m not some freak genetics accident gone horribly awry (hey, I was created in a test tube) since I’m the only engineering-type in my bloodline.

I got a chance to work a little more on my fic last night before bed. Its coming along slowly. I wish I had more time to work on it, but I’ve got so much other stuff I want to get done, it just can’t get past those on my priority list.

Interesting tidbit of information: I finished my first beer yesterday. I’m not sure if that’s cause for celebration, alarm, or apathy, I just thought it was interesting. I hate that stuff. Don’t ask me why I drank it.

Thespark.com’s personality test says I’m an accoontant. Or the guy who helps find missing children over the internet. Which one do YOU think is more likely? Of course, it also says that my stress rating is 15% and that I should “Get a job” (I have two), so what do they know?

Here’s a shocker: I’m only 50% bastard, 28% of which is “tard” (I guess that means stupidity).

I’m gonna die in March of 2043 (mark your calendar), most likely of a heart attack but possibly from alien abduction (I wasn’t aware anal probes were that bad).

Okay, replies time.

Siofra: <>: You don’t want me doing that. Better just tell me. << Isn't everyone>>: I’m not. But I am jealous of your boyfriend. Better not bring him to Gathering. SJ and I are already putting together a list of people to take oot with high-velocity silenced rifles. ;-) <>: Thanks! Since my cousins totally denied saying “aboot”, or “oot”, I’ve been paying extra attention. They say it all the time. But I haven’t heard anyone say “eh”.

Lain: << thanks fer callin me aboot gettin together>>: You’re welcome. Unfortunately, I was oot today so I couldn’t call you back. Carabana is over apparently, ended last night. Soory. But we should still get together if we can work it oot. I think I’m supposed to go to work with my cousin Paul on Wednesday and Thursday (find oot exactly what it is geotech engineers do), but I think other than that I’m free. << thanks for clearing that up>>: Silly Canadians. << were you by chance in a hooseboot>>: I’ve never been in a hooseboot in my life. <>: Yes ma’am.

Spacebabie: << She thought Superman and Batman was Marvel>>: I don’t know much aboot comics, but I’m pretty sure that they’re DC, no? << teacups at Disney>>: I love that ride! << Dr Octopus and Bill Gates has the same haircut>>: Good god you’re right! I wonder… << Candian>>: Hey, even Doright isn’t prefect. << Unicron>>: Any relation to the big planet-eating robot in “Transformers: The Movie”? << take it easy in Canada>>: I’ll try. They’re a pretty roody group over here.

David G: << Gargoyles vs. Bat-characters>>: I vote on the gargs every time. There’s just no way Goliath could lose to Batman. When Batman fights Bane, he’s got that cord to pull. Goliath has no Achilles’ heel. It is conceivable that Lex would lose to Robin, but I just don’t see it.

Gside: <>: I don’t believe that for a second.

Dubble: <>: Its all a matter of priorities. And you really don’t have to keep up with everything. Some of us just like adding wit and reply to every line that comes our way. Like me. << You people talk waaay more than any other comment room/message board I go to>>: That’s because we don’t limit ourselves to one subject, like Gargoyles. Imagine that! A CR dedicated to JUST Gargoyles! How ridiculous! ;-) <>: If you are still measuring your height by marker points on a door jam, then probably not enough. << i'm impressed there's a whole jar of it!>>: There isn’t. We just keep it in a jar, because marbles don’t have lids. <>: I was the guy picking Oberon’s nose and feeling up Titania with my shadow puppets. I was also making a LOT of dirty jokes. << Its taken me months to work up to postin>>: Ditto. I’ll never live down the decision to start ;-) << How long does it take>>: How long does what take? Writing a post? Well, I do it over the course of a whole day. I start when I wake up, adding as I see new posts/responses and new events for the day. Then I close with “I’m tired folks, good nite” right before I go to bed. Posting is usually the last thing I do before I hit the sack. Lets me really update things to the last second and feel like I’ve told my friends what’s going on in my life (I don’t know if they care or not, but they’re my friends so they should know anyway).

DPH: << figuring it when to post and when to wait before posting>>: That’s why I take all day to do it. Bedtime is the best time, IMNSHO. << What would keep lurkers from listing their birthdays on the calender>>: That would be the job of whomever we decide should admin the calendar. Probably whoever sets it up. It would have to be someone that posts frequently, like you or me or Niamhgold or Dreamie or Winterwolf or Gside or someone. Someone who can keep up with new additions to the CR. << somebody fixed the CR clock>>: More or less. It’s on eastern time now. << you can look at my many personalities>>: I did. I added myself to your list. I’m only 96% compatible compared to Daniel Johnson’s 98%, but I still think its funny how much alike we are (I’m an accoontant too). << now the Daniel's of the CR can take it over>>: At least one is a mac user…though I’m still not wholly comfortable with that idea.

Sevarius Jr. << TWO posts in a week>>: Crap. And I’ve only got 7. << My batting average is improving slightly>>: I’ll call Barry Bonds. He’ll want to know. << a little rant>>: For you, my friend, there is no such thing. << SJ asks President Bush, "What the f@#$ is your problem?">>: The only posts I actually laugh oot lood at are yours. I did here. That was funny. << I'm a Republican. Because I'm evil>>: Or because you’re really me. And I’m evil. <>: Apparently, you’re also a stupid republican. I voted Nader. That was my way of saying “Screw you guys, I’m going home”. <>: There are a lot of things you can call Leiberman, but I don’t think “Nazi” is one of them. << He went on vacation>>: That ripe bastard! << If you were to take a month of vacation time, that'd be okay as well>>: If you came on vacation with me, you probably wouldn’t think so. << The President of the United States SHOULD NOT TAKE A FRIGGIN' MONTH OFF TO GO PLAY WITH HIS FRIGGIN' HORSES!>>: Amen to that. He hasn’t even been in office a year! The rest of us have to work a year just to get 2 weeks! That guy makes 250k a year AND lives at the White Mansion AND all the other perks and he’s taking a month off? Did spelling classes get to be too hard for him? << no interrupting, Canadians>>: LOL again. << Club the hippies like a baby seal>>: LOL again. << they at least had a war to stress them out.>>: Or two. << let the Wilekian plans for world domination come to fruition>>: If I were you, I’d vote on my plans. You’d come out further ahead if I get Earth, since you’re really me, albeit an infinitely less complex and interesting version. << I'd be ready to impeach him right away>>: I don’t think “white trash-ism” is an impeachable offense. << Is everyone in your family or related to your family in some way obscenely rich>>: Well, not really. Its just my parents generation. My grandparents’ generation doesn’t do anything special, but it seems like my parents’ generation of the family really got a kick in the butt to do something. Between my parents, their siblings, and their first cousins, there’s 2 lawyers, an engineer, a defense contractor, an advertising executive, the board of a manufacturing firm, and the list goes on. Pretty impressive, if you ask me. Not loaded the way Bill Gates is, but they’re doing pretty well. Plus my mom’s cousin Donna is up in Canada, where her money is worth 800,000 times as much ;-) << truth is I'm just jealous>>: I’m not sure if that’s flattering or scary, but you should know that thespark.com predicts me making my first million by age 34, mostly by working 9 to 5 but partially by “picking up the money that other people drop, jerk” after discovering a cure for the common hippy in 2005 (us republicans should only be so lucky!). << Any religion that commands you to be lazy on the weekends is the religion for me>>: Amen. Those most people aroond the world not only don’t work weekends, but also take a nap after lunch before returning to work. Soonds like a good idea to me…now get back in the sweatshop, punk! ::whips little brother:: <>: The only reason everyone hates the Jews is because we’ve got it made. << we may have to have a drinking contest>>: I’m in, but only if we can play @$$hole. << I'm a social drinker, at best>>: I’m not even that. I just finished my first beer yesterday. Can’t stand the stuff. << you are a little guy (I'm told>>: 115 “soaking wet” as my mother says. << You know what I mean>>: Yes, I do. In fact, the rest of your comments to me weren’t necessary as they only clued her in. If us men are to maintain our standards of secret codes withoot the estrogen units listening in, then you must be less obvious! << We seem to be alike in our….perceptions of the physical appearance of women>>: Because we’re the same person. << let me know if we have another SOROW / Dreamie in our midst>>: If I were you, I might look through the CR archives and check oot SIOFRA’s pic. She’s pretty cute. I don’t know if those dimensions are actually hers though. Didn’t look like it in the pic. << Lain, you never read any of that>>: Quick! Flashy-thing her! ;-) << I'm only joking with Josh>>: As if ANYONE would believe that. << I'd play those lotto numbers any day>>: I wonder if you can boonce a quarter off the lotto card… << I'm sorry, did I say that aloud?>>: Does it hurt being identical to an engineer? << men are usually only after one thing, and it isn't in your pocketbook>>: I have no idea what you’re talking aboot. ;-) <<If it is, than perhaps you should seek medical attention>>: Oh, I disagree. I think it’s easy for a man to be drawn to a women’s pocketbook. They don’t suspect it as much. Men are far more suspicious/paranoid. Although I’ve promised everyone I’d never get married, in theory, if I did, I’d want a girl who worked. Who made as much as I did. That way no one’s mooching off anyone. Now, before then, it’d be pretty sweet to be a total slimeball and play off and older woman and maybe get me a new car ;-) << do you want to get involved in a debate about how men want attractive women solely for sex, and women want only rich and / or successful men to marry so as to complete their nesting instinct? I'm game if you are!>>: I am SO in. Bring it on. Some men don’t want attractive women for sex. There are men oot there that, for one pitiful reason or another, can’t have sex (or won’t) and just want a beautiful woman to act as a trophy rather than a toy. As for what women want, each woman definitely wants rich and/or successful, but each woman also defines it differently. So that gives some of us losers a shot (and despite my PARENT’s financial resources, *I* am not rich. Yet.). << Need you even ask>>: Seriously. If you weren’t at it with breast sizes, I’d have to check your temperature! << Boob jokes are always funny>>: I’m sure there are feminists who don’t think so. Which reminds me…there’s a great feminist joke in your mailbox. << man-boob jokes are downright hilarious>>: Did you ever see the guy that had breast implants on the Man Show? <>: That’s nothing. I tried to explain the Schroedinger’s Cat experiment to my mother. Nearly blew her head off. << talking about the impending war between the Israelites and the Palestinians isn't nearly as entertaining as pondering whether or not the Incredible Hulk could beat Superman in a pie-eating contest>>: I think Superman could do it faster, but ultimately the Hulk would win for storage capacity. As for the impending war, I give 5 to 1 odds on the Israelis. They are AGRO when it comes to war. << You STOLE Robby's girlfriend away from him>>: Yup, you read it right. Cheating b*tch. << one good, swift punch to the nose, right>>: Will you or Don King be selling tickets at G2k2? << If I was 75, and someone tried to circumcise me, the hand they extended would be drawn back a stub>>: Amen. I still hear stories aboot my screaming…and I was only 8 days old! << Today's assignment for Project Mayhem is to make soap from the fat suctioned out of Greg Weisman's ass>>: LOL! If only he could see that. I wonder if he’s lurking right now. << But enough about the Gathering staff>>: OH MY GOD! LOL Jesus I can’t stop laughing at this post. If Crzy doesn’t nail you for that one I’ll be impressed. << That's just some of that twisted humor which Josh says the CR needs more of>>: Amen! Bring it, brotha! More more encore encore! << Bane is one classic example of a character that approximates Goliath's build and fighting style>>: But you’re forgetting that Bane has that dumb drug that is a total Achilles’ heel. Goliath has no such thing. He’s just sheer purple ass-kicking. I really don’t think Batman stands a chance here, no matter how smart he is. Unless we’re taking into accoont fun weapons, etc. In which case Batman all the way. << with a lot of wisecracks from both sides>>: Boy would I love to read the script for THAT one! << somebody please explain to me the fascination with Sata>>: She has sex with Brooklyn. That explains the female fandom’s fascination with her. As for the male fascination, she’s green, Japanese, and is modelled on other Disney females. I refer you to the Avalon Mists “swimsuit edition”. << It'd look like a party at the Marquis de Sade's house, only without all of the fun leather appliances>>: That is not a party! <>: My bad.

Azrael: << or listen to idots rant that his job isn't so hard.>>: Like me and SJ ;-) << the ones that don't invovle nuclear warheads>>: To nuke or not to nuke, that is the question.

Smut-pandering bitch-queen of All Creation: << I'm going to have to do a story in which T.J. Lawton fields a bot>>: I’d really like to see cyber-lex fields a bot. He can control it remotely from his brain. << Jerri is in Playboy>>: She’s not even that attractive. At least the cop that did it was hot! << she did it for the cash and the exposure>>: As if there was ever any other reason to do it!

Archwolf: << Actually, make that 3>>: HAH! I was right! I’m going to assume, for right now, that this Heather is completely unknown to us and is not also dating someone else in the CR, lest we get into a flame-war over poaching.

Folks, I end with this thought: Poaching (the act of stealing another’s significant other) is wrong, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON than the fact that it would suck if it happened to you.

In view of the fact that God limited the intelligence of man, it seems unfair that He did not also limit his stupidity.
-Konrad Adenauer

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, eh?
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 02:42:40 AM
IP: hse-toronto-ppp255355.sympatico.ca

*archwolf peeks in and reads quickly*

Robby>Josh- No, its still just 2 people in the CR dating a girl named Heather>>Actually, make that 3...*grins* I happen to be dating a heather as well. *Glares around room* AND SHE's MINE!! ALL MINE!! TRESPASSERS WILL BE GLARED AT WITH ALL KINDS 'A NASTINESS!

*Pops out*
Archwolf
Tuesday, August 7, 2001 01:43:31 AM
IP: pumpkin-b-02.mcmurray.nb.net

The new issue of Sabledrake _should_ be posted now; we've been having some trouble with it. The theme for this month is Villainy, and we have many great features and art for your perusal and enjoyment. The Myth & Magic issue in November will be accepting submissions up until November 2nd. Click or go to http://www.sabledrake.com/magazine.htm

Battlebots > I'm really enjoying the new season. The latest breed of bots are vicious! Lots more sheer destruction and damage than before. Some big-name veterans have been taken out surprisingly early on. I'm going to have to do a story in which T.J. Lawton fields a bot ... I think he'd have a slight edge, especially when it came to the controls ; )

Jannie > best of luck with your daughter; I remember that I became even bitchier and harder than usual to deal with (yes, folks, she _can_ get worse) when I was preggers. I think it's great that you're willing to put up with so much for the sake of the baby. When that child is grown, he or she will appreciate it.

Spacebabie > when we were in Orlando for G2000, I think Islands of Adventure was the most fun of all the theme parks we binged on. Becca _still_ hasn't forgiven us for her being too short for the Spiderman ride, though ; )

Fear Factor > okay, I'm gonna ask ... anyone else been watching this, and what do you think? Tim's gotten into the habit of watching it every week. So I watch too, and I'm still not sure what to make of it. It's gross and appalling, but there's something weirdly compelling about it ... like when we were kids (longer ago for me than for most of you) and someone would pay someone else a nickel if he'd eat a bug. The rest of us might protest and make oogy noises, but still, we'd watch with gruesome fascination.

Survivor > well, didn't we just figure ... Jerri is in Playboy. Lots of quotes about how she did it because it was so empowering to her as a woman. Yeah, right, she did it for the cash and the exposure (so to speak). Not that there's anything wrong with that ; )

Just woke up and my brain's meandering, so I'll go get some food and some caffiene and see if that helps. Ciao for now!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, August 6, 2001 10:39:40 PM
IP: 15-147.075.popsite.net

SJ:<GW's Vacation> Get over it. For any national politician, but especially the President, a "vacation" just means he doesn't have to read official mail, talk to stupid reporters, or listen to idots rant that his job isn't so hard.

Imagine, if you will, a NATION riding on your decisions. All we hear about are the little ones, the ones that don't invovle nuclear warheads <except in the event we bomb somebody, then its war, and that's newsworthy.> No, we hear about stem-cell research, or the Faith-based inititive, things that, while important, are not nearly so IMEDIATELY important as most of what the President does. Understand that even on this "vacation" he'll have aides, advisors, and staff all keeping him informed of what's going on in the world, and he's still making decisions and policy. He just doesn't have to talk to Dan Rather or any other idiot journalist for the next month or so.
Azrael - [azrael_2099@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX
Monday, August 6, 2001 10:28:59 PM
IP: 63.170.182.2

TWO posts in a week. My batting average is improving slightly!

Since it's been a while since any of us talked about politics in here, I thought I'd start off this post with a little rant about our President, "The People's Champion" George W. Bush, in a segment I like to call:

"SJ asks President Bush, "What the f@#$ is your problem?"

Now, as many of you know, I'm a Republican. Because I'm evil. Anyway, I voted for Bush, because in my opinion, he was the lesser of two evils. Those evils not being Bush or Gore, but rather Cheney and Lieberman. Dick Cheney I could handle as the President…he's essentially the President now. Lieberman? I was quaking in my boots that that Nazi was a bullet away from the most powerful office on the planet. So I voted for Bush, not particularly because I find him to be a great candidate, but more because the thought of a zealot like Lieberman as the commander-in-chief of our country was enough to keep me awake at nights. Now I don't mind Bush. I don't dislike him. I actually believe he's a generally good-natured guy. Maybe he's not the brightest, I don't know, I'm not really concerned about that because hell, I figure Cheney and the rest will cover for him. But he's done something now that has pissed me off.

He went on vacation.

Now, I don't know, maybe this is just a pet peeve of mine, maybe it's just the way I think, but…..if I were to take off a month for vacation? That's okay. If you were to take a month of vacation time, that'd be okay as well. The President of the United States SHOULD NOT TAKE A FRIGGIN' MONTH OFF TO GO PLAY WITH HIS FRIGGIN' HORSES!!!! What are you, 7 years old??? You're the President of the United States of America! I don't give a damn how much you actually do, whether Dick Cheney runs the show or not, you shouldn't take a month off to go hang out on your ranch. And I've heard the excuses. "Well, the world is at his fingertips. He's got email there, phones, a fax machine…" I DON'T GIVE A DAMN! If you are the President of the United States, the most powerful nation on the planet (no interrupting, Canadians!!! ;), the leader of the free world, you shouldn't even sit down on the crapper for your morning bowel movement until you've been briefed on what's going on in the world. Presidents should not get vacations. Or maybe let them go play golf for a weekend at Camp David….but a MONTH? What the hell is doing there? It's not raising those daughters of his, they're too busy doing jello shots in some filthy Tijuana bar, watching the 15 dollar donkey show. We got this thing going on in the Middle East, the Israelites and the Palestinians are legitimately on the verge of wiping each other off the face of the planet, and Bush wants to strap on a pair of cowboy boots and play the rodeo. It's disgraceful. Presidents should NOT take vacations. Or at least, not ones that last for a MONTH. Christ. What has been so stressful in his presidency thus far that he requires a month-long vacation??? "Oooh, I'm stressed from all of that debate over stem-cell research". Having trouble deciding, Dubya? Flip a coin! "Those tree-huggers are giving me grief for wanting to drill in Alaska." Club the hippies like a baby seal! Get over it! YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING STRESSFUL YET. You know what I think? I think that if George Washington, or Thomas Jefferson, or Abe Lincoln were alive today, they'd kick Dubya in the nuts for this. Hell, they at least had a war to stress them out.

Please, God, if you are listening, let the Wilekian plans for world domination come to fruition. Soon.

As a side note, I just had a disturbing thought…..our President is unquestionably Southern…..so do you think he's a NASCAR fan? Cause if he is, I'd be ready to impeach him right away.

Josh: Is everyone in your family or related to your family in some way obscenely rich? My lower-middle class upbringing is urging me to resent your aristocracy, but truth is I'm just jealous. <<Today is Shabbat, so my orthodox Jewish cousins relaxed all day long. It's a pretty sweet setup, if you ask me. They do nothing all day every Saturday.>> Sounds sweet. Any religion that commands you to be lazy on the weekends is the religion for me….but then again, I look at the Middle East, and I realize that most of the world still hates the Jews, for whatever crazy reason, so I'll stay a Gentile for now. <<HEY GUESS WHAT? THE DRINKING AGE HERE IN 19!!!>> If we are ever at a Gathering together, we may have to have a drinking contest. I'm a social drinker, at best, but you are a little guy (I'm told), so maybe my chances of drinking you under the table are good…..Instead of Fear Factor, we can play Beer Factor….
Oh, and one last thing….should you run into lain….be sure to give me the heads-up. You know what I mean. We seem to be alike in our….perceptions of the physical appearance of women…..so let me know if we have another SOROW / Dreamie in our midst. And if so, photographic proof would be highly appreciated.

Lain, you never read any of that. And if you did, I'm only joking with Josh. Ha ha, wink wink.

Siofra: <<I'm 36C-28-36.>> I'd play those lotto numbers any day…..I'm sorry, did I say that aloud? <> I don't doubt that he is not. When it comes to women, men are usually only after one thing, and it isn't in your pocketbook. If it is, than perhaps you should seek medical attention. <<Seriously, not all of us are after your money or your car, or whatever
you think we are.>> Not my money or car, because I don't have much of the one and the other isn't exactly a lovely piece of machinery. But this could be fun: do you want to get involved in a debate about how men want attractive women solely for sex, and women want only rich and / or successful men to marry so as to complete their nesting instinct? I'm game if you are!

Robby: Hey, happy belated birthday.
And I don't know if you've been doing this lately, but be forthcoming whenever your stuff gets published. I don't usually pick up stuff from AP, but I've bought the stuff with your work in them in the past. It's worth it just so I can sound impressive to the other people in the comic shop. "Yes, I actually know the author / artist of this issue. Yes, we're very tight. He once taught me the entire story of Dragonball Z…"

Warpmind, aka "Da Bald One": <<Are you at it with breast sizes again?>> Need you even ask? <<Once, it was funny, twice it is not so funny... once more, and it'll border on annoying.>> What do you mean? Boob jokes are always funny. And man-boob jokes are downright hilarious? Ever see Fight Club? 4 words for you: Big Bob's Bitch Tits. <<SexMagick: the 37 Unspeakable Acts, including a compendium of several Speakable ones, and six more that everyone involved would rather just forget about">> This book must be a fine curiosity. It's the only collaboration between Aleister Crowley and Larry Flynt. I think you can find a copy of it at your *giggle* "finer" smut shops, next to the copies of "Tokyo Maidens vol. 4, featuring Kobe Tai".

Spacebabie: Ah, moms do not understand comic books. I'm enough of a geek that I tried to explain the exciting changes in comic books today to my mother.
Me: Yeah, it's really cool. See, Marvel hired Joe Quesada as their editor-in-chief, and he's really turned the company around. One of the best things they've done is start this new "Ultimate Marvel" line. Look, here's the latest issue of Ultimate Spider-Man.
My Mom: Is he one of the X-Men?
Me: No, mom. He's not one of the X-Men.
My Mom: Oh. Well, you know what I didn't like? When they killed off Superman.
Me: What….Mom, that was a different company!
It was maybe at that time in which I realized how sad and pathetic it is to debate the status of comic book characters when there is so much war and disease and poverty in the world. But then I realized that talking about the impending war between the Israelites and the Palestinians isn't nearly as entertaining as pondering whether or not the Incredible Hulk could beat Superman in a pie-eating contest!

Green Baron: <<Well, it has been under wraps, since we were reluctant to tell Robby, but Heather and I have been seeing each other since late June, when I got stationed at Georgia.>> Waittaminute….am I reading this right? You STOLE Robby's girlfriend away from him? Wow….I didn't know you had it in you. Still, you do know that it's only fair for Robby to give you one good, swift punch to the nose, right? <<My grandfather had prostate cancer at 75 and my grandmother told everyone he was in the hospital to get circumcised, since prostate cancer wasn't something people her age talked about.>> If I was 75, and someone tried to circumcise me, the hand they extended would be drawn back a stub. At that point everything may be falling apart on its own, but I'd like as many of my original parts as possible. <<Planet of the Apes> It was good, and I liked the ending though I wanted Heston in the film.>> He was. He played Thade's dying father. I guess he thought it'd be more fun to play one of the apes this time around.

Gargoyle Fight Club: No, Todd Jensen, Frank Paur is not dead. Not yet, anyway. Someday, he will be, as is the curse of all of us. But tonight, in the city, somewhere, Frank Paur does not sleep the eternal sleep of the dead.
Today's assignment for Project Mayhem is to make soap from the fat suctioned out of Greg Weisman's ass.

Remember: You are not special.
You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake.
You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.
You are the all singing, all dancing sh!t of the world.

But enough about the Gathering staff…..

I'm kidding! That's just some of that twisted humor which Josh says the CR needs more of. I am Jack's biting sarcasm.
Anyway, on to the fighting!

Goliath Vs. Batman: I must preface all of these answers with the assertion that I am a Batman FREAK. I love all things Batman. I list "Gargoyles" as the greatest 'toon and / or animated series ever made……BEHIND Batman: The Animated Series, that is. Yes, I know that Bruce Timm has said disparaging things about Gargoyles. In my opinion, that does not take away from the sheer brilliance that is Batman:TAS. Anyway, enough with the qualifiers.
Physically, Goliath has a slight advantage over Batman. Obviously, he's bigger and stronger and has a few added perks such as being able to glide, but I only give him a slight advantage because Batman has taken on opponents the likes of Goliath before-and won. Bane is one classic example of a character that approximates Goliath's build and fighting style. While Bane once broke Batman's back (with a lot of help), he's been beaten by Batman before. So I give Goliath a slight edge physically, but it's not a huge advantage. Mentally, though…..I'm sorry, no contest. Yes, Goliath is smart. He wouldn't be the leader if he wasn't. But Batman, IMO, has an IQ that would make Goliath look like Forrest Gump. I say Goliath and Batman lock up, Goliath gets the upper hand, Batman takes a moment to reflect upon the battle and form a strategy, and when that happens, Goliath gets his ass handed to him.

Brooklyn vs. Nightwing: Brooklyn is an accomplished fighter. He can go with the best of them. Nightwing, on the other hand, has trained since he was a boy to be the *perfect* fighter. You have to look at his trainer, too-Batman, arguably the best (human) hand-to-hand combatant in the DC Universe. This would probably be a long, grueling fight, with a lot of wisecracks from both sides, but in the end I give the nod to Nightwing.

Lex vs. Robin: This is much like Nightwing and Brook. Both are somewhat evenly matched, in terms of size and intelligence, as well as their interests. Again, though, you have the "Batman trained me" factor. That goes a long way, in my book at least. Tough fight, but Robin wins.

Angela vs. Batgirl (The "new" one): I don't think Angela is a wimp. I don't think that at all. I do think she's a goody two-shoes, but that's besides the point. Angela is a very accomplished fighter, and she's proven this countless times before. The "new" Batgirl, Cassandra, was trained since birth (literally) by the assassin Cain to be the best killer in the world. So in depth was her training that Cain never even bothered to teach her how to talk or learn any language---she was only taught to kill. And she did; she deep-sixed a guy at an age where most others her age were still watching Sesame Street. The long and short of it? Angela is good, and keeps Cassandra on her toes, but I don't think this is a fight she can win. Angie's one hope is to exploit Cassandra's new found streak of compassion, but like I said, Angela's a goody-goody, so I can't see her exploiting anyone.

Broadway vs. Azrael: Bronx has a size and strength advantage, but that's about all I give him. I don't picture him as the most graceful of combatants, or at least, not as graceful as Azrael. Az once got picked to be Batman, by Bruce. Of course, he went insane shortly after donning the cape and cowl, but that's not the point; he was good enough to wear the symbol, he's good enough to beat Broadway.

Sata vs. Shiva: Okay, somebody please explain to me the fascination with Sata. I've NEVER been that interested or compelled with her, and I see people rave about her fighting ability, but I don't see it. Maybe it's because I have no respect for the character. Anyway, Shiva is unholy. She's maybe the best martial artist, period, in the DC world, and she has very little (or absolutely nothing) in the way of mercy. Sata lasts five minutes, IF Shiva wants to toy with her that long, then she's pool of red, sticky stuff on the floor.

Fox vs. Black Canary: Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Black Canary to give an informed opinion. I never really read much of Green Arrow (before the new Kevin Smith run), and I haven't read much of Birds of Prey. So I'll call this a draw.

Demona vs. Joker: THIS would be one for the pay-per-view. Eventually, I'd say that Demona wins, simply because the Joker, devious as he is, probably would not be able to figure out how to kill her (for good) before she ripped out his spine. However, he'd probably quickly discover that he could kill her….again and again and again. Sick bastard that he is, he'd probably take his time torturing, mutilating, and killing her again and again and again, at least as soon as gained the upper hand (which, I think, he would be smart enough to, at least once). This would not be for the squeamish. Tons of gore, lots of mutilation. It'd look like a party at the Marquis de Sade's house, only without all of the fun leather appliances.

[At a cancer support meeting]
Narrator: Oh yeah, Chloe…Chloe looked how Meryl Streep's skeleton would look if you made it smile and walk around the party being extra nice to everyone.
Chloe: Well, I'm still here. But I don't know for how long. That's as much certainty as anyone can give me…I have some good news. I no longer have any fear of death. [audience claps] But I am in a pretty lonely place. No one will have sex with me. I'm so close to the end and all I want is to get laid for the last time…I have pornographic movies in my apartment, lubricants, and amyl nitrate…
Group Leader [taking the microphone] Everyone, let's thank Chloe.

I haven't been f!cked like that since grade school!
---Marla Singer

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Monday, August 6, 2001 10:14:00 PM
IP: 66-44-67-219.s473.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Ok, why haven't I been posting as much lately? One reason: figuring it when to post and when to wait before posting.

Happy belated birthdays to Green Baron and Robby.

Battlebots - I have yet to see the episode(s) where the multibot (disposable hero?) fights one-on-one. Anyone with airing dates for that episode, late me know!! I have a theory that they're only covering battles in which the winner makes it 2-3 steps through the tournament. I still stick with a theory that the battle box controller is playing some favorites or they need to dish out the responsibility of controls to at least 2 people so things can be done more fairly. I was happy to see Vlad really damaged, but I don't understand why the owner didn't see it coming. What were the sides of Vlad made of? Vertical spinning vs Horizontal spinning was definitely a good match up, but have two battlebots ever fought against each other when both were spinning battlebots? I'd like to that battle.

I'm a little hesistant about letting everybody add their own birthdays. What would keep lurkers from listing their birthdays on the calender? I'd only want a calendar listing birthdays of regular posters.

Imzadi - what? somebody fixed the CR clock? Also, you can look at my many personalities by going to http://match2.thespark.com/person.mpl?email=dph_of_rules%40yahoo.com . You'll see how wierd I really am.

Daniel Johnson - it's good to see you back. now the Daniel's of the CR can take it over.

Still missing one Wilek. Has DC been bothering Wilek?

1+1=-3
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, August 6, 2001 10:07:50 PM
IP: max1-10.cwy.cei.net

Nope, I knew it just wasn't gonna happen. I can't keep up. You people talk waaay more than any other comment room/message board I go to. *L* ;)

*points to her image* And I DO know you can go test 'em out at the main site but my comp is so old that that's kinda painful. *L* Pictures take an age to load.

Revel:<>*snickers* Are by any chance thinking about the round robin? I guess you could call that a joke we have at station 8 where they tease me about my age alot and my being naive. I think I've grown since then though. I hope..;)
<<yeah I think I ran into you form about five minutes or so.>> I THINK I remember meeting you...maybe. *L* Where, I have no idea. Do you?
<<Just watch the the jar of sanity and make sure it does not get away.>>*lol* i'm impressed there's a whole jar of it! ;)

Josh:<<Did I meet you?>>I don't THINK so. I know I saw most of you guys around. I kept mistaking Aaron for Hudson. Except when he dressed up as Fox...;) It was the hair and coat. *L*
Um..I was sitting behind you at the Gargoyles MST3K?
Robby at 19 is a youngun? Cripes, you're making me feel young.

Niahmgold:<<Dubble, bubble, toil and trouble>>*grin* so many people say that to me I've made it my user name for ezboards. *l* ;) <<Welcome to the insanity! :)>> Thank you! :)

Daniel Johnson:<<Welcome!>> Thanks! :) <> I'm almost positive I remember you too! Didn't I talk to you on Monday just after closing ceremonies? <<Lurking is the best way to get used to this place.>>So I've found. Its taken me months to work up to postin. *L* <<Unfortunately, my recent lurkage has not been by choice.>>Awww...Shame. What stopped you posting? <:)

Robby: Happy Birthday! :) *L* Heh, another online friend of mine, Damocles has his birthday August 5th too.

Stephen:<<Hudson of S8 Admin, Kellie Fey and Ithica - dropped by saturday for a while.>>That's right, they told me! Glad you guys had fun! :)

Gside:<<poutine>>*L* Really? A Candian friend of mine told me about it. I thought it sounded disgusting.

Um..I have a question for the room at large..Especially those who do big posts..How long does it take? *L*

Oh, and if for some bizzare reason you want to talk to me I'm Dubbabub on AOL IM and my ICQ's 125281739.

Alright that's my replies. *L* Not much, but eh, I skimmed. Now I have all of last week that I never got round to reading. *ducks out*
Dubble - [<--Angie's comic strip.]
Monday, August 6, 2001 07:13:16 PM
IP: webcacheh06a.cache.pol.co.uk

I still live.
I am currently at a library in a suburb of Chicago, but I've been to Canada and had poutine. Very tasty.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Naperville, IL
Monday, August 6, 2001 02:56:40 PM
IP: 207.32.153.131

Patrick Toman> I don't know about anybody else, but I wasn't really trying to pick on Angela. The problem is, I'd already decided to use Shadowcat on Lex, and I couldn't think of another really good match. Most of the X-females are really tough. Look at the line-up.

Storm - causes hurricanes
Psylocke - demon killer ninja with psychic powers
Phoenix - Currently I think she's just a telekenetic, but even sl...
Rogue - super strong, nigh-invulnerable meta-vampire.

I wanted all the matches to have something in common. Goliath vs Cyclops is the battle of the anal-retentive team leaders, for instance. Lex vs Shadowcat was based on their shared interest in technology. I just couldn't think of a really good match for Angela.

If I was going to rate the Manhattan clan for fighting skill, Angela would be comfortably in the middle of the pack. Goliath and Brooklyn are probably both better. Lexington and Broadway are probably both a little worse. Of course such judgements are always highly subjective.

As long as I'm on the subject, how about another lineup

Gargoyles vs. Bat-characters
This week I'm starting earlier, so there will be more time for discussion, arguments, etc...

Our opponents this time around are all characters from the Batman family of comics.

Goliath vs Batman
Brooklyn vs Nightwing
Lexington vs Robin
Angela vs Batgirl (the current one. I like her. Besides, it would be mean to beat up on someone in a wheelchair)
Broadway vs Azriel
Sata vs Shiva
Fox vs Black Canary
Demona vs The Joker (and remember, in the Animated Series version of World's Finest he almost took out Superman...)

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, August 6, 2001 02:45:29 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Enters with a lowerback pain and a Spiderman T-shirt.

Hey folks guess where I was yesterday?

Islands of Adventure ith my mom. We decided to do a girl's day out and it was our first visit to the park.

We first parked in Jaws and I made a comment about being parked in Itchy::She didn't get it::. Well after going through CityWalk and finaly arriving we decided to go through Marvel first

Let me just say my mother is clueless when it comes to comics...How clueless? She thought Superman and Batman was Marvel! She also didn't know that dr Doom is the nemesis of the Fantastic 4 or anything about Peter Parker...where he works who is girlfriend is.

First ride we went on was the Storm Force accelerator. We first thought it would be like the tilt-o-whirl...instead its more like the teacups at disney. Next we rode on the Doom drop, wich I guess is like Tower of Terror escept our legs dangle. It was kind of scary but I talked through the whole ride..wich was also the shortest..longest wait, shortest ride. The final ride we went on there was the Spiderman ride wich was one of the best rides in the whole park.Although the Spider signal was stupid, since I don't ever remember reading about a spider signal or seeing it on the cartoons, and I realised something...Dr Octopus and Bill Gates has the same haircut.
Then we were off to Toon Lagoon and while studing the map We encounterd the scariest thing at the park..for me, we sat on a benchthing that circled alot of lowers and a statue of Popeye...There were bees in those flowers. We went on two rides in Toon Lagoon, Bluto's bilge rafts, wich are like the rafting ride at Bush Gardens. While waiting to get on that ride there was a group of people who felt like they had to break in song every five minutes. Mom said it was like a football game. Everyone else in tha line had the same look on their faces that we had. The lokk that wished the fake dynamite was real so we can light it and drop it on them. Well we got soaked on that ride, we also got soaked on the Dudley do Right Flume ride, wich is like splash mountain...I had to drag mom onto that ride, and we had an interesting conversation while waiting.
ME:"Ok Mom you used to watch this cartoon, so Dudley is a Mountie right?"
MOM:"Yes,"
ME:"So that would make him..."
MOM:"Candian"
After we got off it started to rain so we bought some ponchos.
Then it was off to Jurassic Park where we had dinner,hmm routiseray chicken, grilled corn, beans and rice, and warm cup of coffee, cause we were feeling cold. After dinner we rode the rafting ride. That one was pretty good, Spitters sprayed water on us and it almost seemed like the Raptor cage was about to drop on us then we we encountered T-Rex there was drop, where we got wet again...correction our poncho's got wet. After that ride we explored the Discovery center((It was full of hands on learning)) and got to see the Triceratops, It was fake, but it looked real.

Then the Lost continet.
THE DUELING DRAGONS WASN'T OPERATING!
We did ride the flying Unicron..wich is technicaly a kiddie coaster, Mom was scared cause we were up front. I told her thts the best part. We explored the shops wich sold magical medeilv type things and Arabian nights type stuff...One store even had some costume wich would have been cool to use for Gathering 2002, but they were way too pricey.
Then finally of too the land of Dr Seuss, We rodethe Cat in the Hat, wich was kinda like Mr Toad's wild ride, I was a little upset that they didn't have the fish in the bowl souveniors in the shop((I was thinking of Anya from Buffy)) And the last ride was the carosel, wich I pulled a muscle trying to get on...they wern't horses, they were the crazy creatures from Seuss's stories. After that we bought some soveniors...My Spiderman shirt and a firedragon pen for my brother, then home where I gout out of my damp cloths and into a nice warm bath, and then straight to bed well now my thighs hurt and so does my lower back

GB and Robby...Happy belated birthdays

Robby..I also had the summer flu, hope you feel better soon.

Josh...take it easy in Canada.

Spacebabie - [spacebabie@hotmail.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Monday, August 6, 2001 10:49:22 AM
IP: proxy.ord.netsetter.com

Just a fast post.
Been busy and just havn't had time to post. But that's okay since I have 60 days left in Korea and then it's on to Ft. Lewis WA. With a bit of luck I should have Internet 24 hrs a day. :)

I just went swimming so my eyes are burning. Hurry, hurry.

Green Baron- Happy belated B-day. I just had mine a few weeks ago. You turn 22 and suddenly all your 19 and 20 year old friends think you're an old man or something. Good luck in Germany.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Monday, August 6, 2001 06:24:08 AM
IP: 210.91.100.12

hey josh.. you JERK.. thanks fer callin me aboot gettin together. (and we dont really say that..: P ) well.. i kinda have an english accent so i say "tomaaaaaaaaahto" instead of "tamay-da" but.. yaknow.. and i was wondering about what that holiday was for.. thanks for clearing that up.. ; )
yeah.. i tried to call you but i guess you were oot and aboot.. were you by chance in a hooseboot? just wondering.. anyway.. I WANNA SEE YOU SO CALL ME ALREADY WILL YA?! sheesh..

SJ>> *snugglies* well you know.. uh.. i was gonna say something witty but the ergonomic keyboard is messing up my brain. no, i dont know nickleback. yes, youre a chauvanist and im not surprised youd want to buy the canadian half of niagra falls... cos YOUR HALF SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! tee hee ; ) yer just jealous and you know it!! : D

thats all i have to say...

bye byes and love,
lain "exit to eternal summer slacking" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Monday, August 6, 2001 12:17:28 AM
IP: cr1022616-a.lndn1.on.wave.home.com

<--------------- dah..just..daaaaaaahh..^_^V!!

Dreamie- Thanks a bunch! That was it;)

Robby- HEY!! I don't recall you telling me it was your B-day..*feels so hurt* *sniffles*;) I'm sorry it wasn't the greatest, but in a way I think you will be better by it.

Lexy
Sunday, August 5, 2001 11:31:59 PM
IP: ac8ba185.ipt.aol.com

Hi all! Saw Planet of the Apes yesterday. I actually liked it, and I'm a big fan of the originals. The ending was a little odd, but I like how Burton didn't try to copy it so much as do his version of it. The makeup was awesome and I thought that overall, it was pretty good. It was cheesy, but I loved Heston's repeat line...'Damn them all to hell'. Heh.

Robby: Happy B-day!

Josh: <<chika bow bow?>> Exactly.
<<Would one of you please explain what that means (in email, if necessary)?>> Uh, could e-mail you to tell you what _I_ meant by it at the time...but I think with your mind, you can guess.
<<Jealous of her build?>> Isn't everyone? ;-)
And I love the accent you've picked up.

Niamhgold: <<love being requoted!>> Hey, it was a good one :-)

Okay, more posting later if I see anything I want to reply to ;-)

Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
Michigan
Sunday, August 5, 2001 11:20:00 PM
IP: pm458-11.dialip.mich.net

I just realized that the CR clock will now actually match the time that I post.

When I take over the world, the clock will be changed to whatever time zone I’m in. I hope no one has a problem with that. If so, please take a number.

::points to a series of grenades with “numbers” attached to the pins::

Anyway, I actually managed to wake up before noon today. No idea how that happened.

Yesterday, I tried to hijack the DSL connection from this windows box and put it on my laptop. No luck. OS 9 doesn’t really handle DSL well (although we have managed to get it working in Berkeley). OS X does, but simpatico.ca isn’t X-ready yet. So I’m stuck posting and browsing from this PC. On the other hand, it gives me an excuse to only do the things on my laptop that I’ve been meaning to do, like make new icons, work on my fic, and update my website.

Today we drove oot past the limits of Toronto and hung oot with some friends of my cousins. A married couple that owns 34 acres with the most beautiful hoose I’ve ever seen. He’s an artist, she’s a fashion designer with her own label. They’ve got a tennis court, a long driveway, a big hoose, and the rest is trees. It was a stunning piece of property. When I take over, I’m buying it from them. No doobt aboot it. Anyway, I think the two of them are total stoners and just really cool people (I like stoners, I just don’t want to be one). We were there all day and had dinner at their hoose. They had an amazing soond system and beautiful artwork all over.

At dinner, John (one of the friends) asked me what I’d noticed differently aboot Canadian culture. I said that I think the biggest difference was “aboot”, to which everyone vehemently denied saying “aboot”. But they do. They say that. Silly Canadians.

I’m gonna be doing two things over the next couple days: writing my fic and working my website. So if you have any suggestions on either, e-mail me.

On to replies:

Siofra, Niamhgold: <<I’m a two bow kinda girl>>: Would one of you please explain what that means (in email, if necessary)? It goes up there with “beautiful on the inside” on the list of phrases to which I answer “what does that even mean?” :-)

Jan: << you don't know how close I came to becoming your look-alike>>: You could always go as Warpmind for the next Gathering. <>: Full speed ahead! <>: You too? What are the odds? ;-) << slanguage>>: THAT is not a word, Texan! << don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining>>: I was just gonna do that too. <>: There was a noticeable break in GPA’s between the people who could spell and people who couldn’t in my graduating class. << thinking it's funny to misspell all the time>>: Its cute/funny occasionally…for a little kid. For everyone else, it’s a mark of stupidity. << Since when is appearing stupid something to be proud of>>: Have you taken a look at our president? << she's going to drive me to drink>>: LOL. << I'm trying to not have a pity party where I'm the guest of honor>>: Hey, it seems like the CR is the place to hold such parties lately. <>: I’ve been to a few places in Canada, but I hardly remember anything aboot any of them. I really like Downtown Toronto, where I’m staying now. I might get to see Niagara, which would be cool, but I’m not really one for trip recommendations. Unless I do a particular thing that a lot of fun (like visiting my awesome cousins), my advice will almost always be “stay home and see the pictures of the sites”. ;-)

Robby: << I'm now officially 19. Its my birthday>>: Happy birthday! Hey, you’re a young’n! << Its a birthday ending probably the worst week of my life, but its still my birthday>>: My dad often uses the non-sensical phrase “its always darkest before dawn”, which, while totally illogical (and totally untrue), seems to apply here. << my laptop died>>: NO! I don’t know what I’d do. << the same as the one I was dating 3 days ago. That they've been dating since June>>: There’s a slight incongruence there…I hope you two get that worked oot. << The the Matrix bit in Shrek was great>>: I loved that scene! << that joke gets played relentlessly until it ain't funny anymore>>: My mom said that “America’s Sweethearts” was terrible precisely because the jokes were overplayed in the ads. << 300 freaking robots>>: Sweet. Maybe I’ll actually watch it.

Anyone who’s good with HTML: we should really make a CR calendar that points oot birthdays, anniversaries, special events, etc. for the CR dwellers. Maybe I can get my roommate to make a calendar graphic type thingy and set up a script so that anyone can add the important day. It’d be pretty sweet. Someone, though, would have to approve each day that was submitted to make sure it didn’t get filled with useless things like “my cousin’s birthday” and that important things like “Lain’s dad will be in LA, everyone go beat him up” get through.

Shadowrider: << Thanks for the consideration on my intellectual abilities>>: Not that. It was the cultural knowledge I was doobting. I frankly doobt that many Italians have read this book, as it really mocks all things Italian. << Life is unfair sometimes, isn't it?>>: Indeed. << my preferred one being 2001>>: I got so bored in that movie I turned it off halfway through. << Geeeeee.....<grins>>>: I’m not sure if you’re happy aboot that or not. << please try not to blow up the CR, right?>>: You know something, I’ve had it with you spoiling my fun! This is the last time, young man!

Baldy: << Are you at it with breast sizes again>>: Of course he is! This is SJ we’re talking aboot. << Siofra: *Raspberry>>: Heh. Very mature. Jealous of her build? << not violent enough>>: If you put all the capitol offenders in a Streisand concert together, then you could turn off the soond on your monitors and watch them all kill each other. Gladiatorial style. Would that be violent enough for you? << the lad's in more danger than I thought>>: I’m not afraid yet. << I'll abuse Lain's answering machine as much as I like, thank you>>: Kinky. << Sex Magick: the 37 Unspeakable Acts, including a compendium of several Speakable ones, and six more that everyone involved would rather just forget about>>: I don’t know, I’ve never read it. Where can I pick up a copy? <>: AMEN! Dish rocks!

The Wizard: << Woo, what a night>>: Who’s the lucky guy? << ! We had some major thunderstorms here>>: Is that a euphemism I’m not familiar with? << Do you know how rare it is to actually have my town mentioned on the news>>: Wow, you must have been really lood. <>: Every once in a while the weaklings surprise us. << Encyclopedia of Sex, entry number 54>>: Now I’ve got to ask my friend what entry 54 is… << for some reason I always assumed you were older than me>>: As did I. << not that I'm older than you by much>>: When is your birthday again? << the baby will grow up to be a champion World Federation Wrestler>>: Just what the world needs. << Beware the Sasquatch of Toronto>>: I have hairy feet too ;-) << I'm going to resize them in photoshop and lay them out side-by-side>>: Whoa. Someone who goes to real effort to critique my work. Much appreciated! << they had this thing called a Mount Washington>>: If it weren’t for all the fruit, I’d be all over it.

Lynati: << sets down dynamite>>: Yeah, me too. I was all geared up to do it as soon as he left. << getting to class is good>>: Bah. Only if its after I wake up. Otherwise its irrelevant.

Stephan: <>: Yeah, I don’t think Robyn Canmore coonts as a heavyweight.

Daniel Johnson: << there will be a quiz>>: Regrettably, I will be unavailable that day. << Are they having a "u" shortage up there>>: Not a shortage, more of a diversion. Someone in the linguistics department has been shuffling them (and probably skimming a few off the top to boot). <>: Hoarding b*tch! I’ll have to kill her. << if they'll make every Monday a holiday I just might welcome the coming takeover>>: When I take over every day will be a three-day weekend 8-) <>: Hmmm…maybe we should set that up again. << Spelling and grammar errors literally jump off of the page/screen at me>>: Do you laugh when you see them in published works? I do. << Not only are you smart, you also have good taste>>: I have so many things to say here, but I’ll add that she’s a PC user ;-) << been reading the Camel Book>>: My roommate has that book. Perl is the next thing I want to tackle after UNIX. Gotta learn UNIX for OS X. << It's got to be the most entertaining computer book I've ever read>>: I’d suggest Applescript for Dummies as a funny book, but unfortunately the funniest thing is that the sample scripts in there don’t work in OS 9 past the second page. << One to change it, and the rest to try to do it in fewer lines of code>>: That is true for programmers in any language. Although it MATLAB its “and the rest to try and do it with matrix manipulation”. <<CHANGE>>: LOL. Don’t tell that to my roommate. He wrote “MP3 Alarm Clock” (dunno if you’re familiar with it), as well as IndX and M4 Phader. He changes stuff all the time.

Well, folks, that'll for tonight. I know its early, but I'm tired and this whole time difference thing has me feeling like I can't sleep late enough.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
-Douglas Adams, "Last Chance to See"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, eh?
Sunday, August 5, 2001 10:59:20 PM
IP: hse-toronto-ppp255355.sympatico.ca

**Mandi delurks, carrying a large club.**

Hi, all... I'm going to be using this blunt object on whatever moron read our meter from the gas and electric company. ($222 for a month in a two-bedroom apartment? I don't THINK so!!)

Just wanted to give the folks who watched (or wanted to but missed out on) "Now and Again" - Sci-Fi has picked up the rights to air repeats, and starting tomorrow will be showing it Monday-Thursday at 9 p.m. Check it out if you get the chance.

Going to crash now. :)

**Mandi stumbles out**
Mandolin
Sunday, August 5, 2001 10:03:34 PM
IP: cc300246-a.catv1.md.home.com

Hehe, speaking of grammar, I seem to have lost a "with" in there. :P
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, August 5, 2001 09:08:19 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-123-254.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

Well, here I am again for my weekly post. It's always so busy around here in the summer. The joys of living and working in a beach town. Oh, by the way, be sure to read the August issue of National Geographic; it has an article on...Ocean Grove, NJ! Study it carefully because there will be a quiz. And yes, they really do call it "God's Square Mile." Ah, hubris.

Dubble:
Welcome! I remember you. Lurking is the best way to get used to this place. Unfortunately, my recent lurkage has not been by choice.
----
Josh:
Are they having a "u" shortage up there? Perhaps it's all the extras they use in words like "colour" or "favour" or "dialogue." I bet lain's been stealing them. It's a Canadian plot I tell you. Of course, if they'll make every Monday a holiday I just might welcome the coming takeover.
<<Ya know, one of us mac users should really download the entire archive and index it so that we can search the entire history of the CR for a single phrase.>> Been there, done that. In fact I used to keep a mirror of the CR back when the server was more unreliable. Haven't updated it in quite a while though.
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Jan:
I just wanted to thank you for the email. I've been checking my mail very infrequently, and I'm notorious for not replying. Sorry!

I agree that poor spelling (and grammar) doesn't have too much to do school. It seems that the wiring of the brain has more to do with it. I have ALWAYS been an excellent speller, but I know people with as much schooling who can't write a sentence without at least one mistake. Spelling and grammar errors literally jump off of the page/screen at me and say "OH! LOOK AT ME!" It gets very distracting
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Robby:
Um, well happy birthday at least. Sorry things haven't been going well. I'm all too familiar with that.
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Niamhgold:
<> Not only are you smart, you also have good taste. I've become quite fond of Perl myself, and have been reading the Camel Book. Great fun. It's got to be the most entertaining computer book I've ever read. Oh, that reminds me; I once asked a joke in here and I don't think I ever gave the answer, so here it is:

How many Perl programmers does it take to change a light bulb?

Answer: A million. One to change it, and the rest to try to do it in fewer lines of code.

And in a similar vein:
How many C programmers does it take to change a light bulb?

Answer: CHANGE!?!?!?
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Sunday, August 5, 2001 08:11:10 PM
IP: adsl-138-89-123-254.nnj.adsl.bellatlantic.net

*Warpmind slides in, puffing on a pipe and playing a violin rather badly.*
Guess who just went through a Sherlock Holmes binge? :) First, Hound of the Baskervilles, then Sign of the Four, then The Return of Sherlock Holmes, all on the same movie channel... I love having a dish. }:)

Niamhgold: You're probably right - I guess I WOULDN'T have told you... };)

Stephen: Woo! More work done on the Bloody Vixen novel! You better finish that, y'hear? :)

Hmmm... that's really all there is now... I need sleep, too - just eight hours or so until I should be heading for work... bleugh. I'll leave you with a quote, though...

"Was there lots of seedy goop inside?"
-momblanch, of #Callahans, during a debate on tomatoes. (Which spurred a substantial number of raised eyebrows and gasps as three people entered the channel between the previous tomato-related line and that one...)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, August 5, 2001 06:59:48 PM
IP: mp-216-44-243.daxnet.no

Greetings all!

Interesting weekend so far... three of our fellow fen - Hudson of S8 Admin, Kellie Fey and Ithica - dropped by saturday for a while. Was good to see them, especially Hudson and Kellie since I met them at the Gathering in 1999. Had dinner with them at Chili's, then talked until around midnight before they had to get back to Orlando and I had to bed down before work in the AM. Cool times spent with good friends!

Some replies now:

GREEN BARON - Aw, don't sweat it, friend! <shakes hands> Congrats to you and Heather (say, we have something in common now, since we both have signifigant other's with the same name! ^_^)... I agree with Niam! It's great to know someone is waiting for you when you get back...

PATRICK - Well, Angela never really showed much in the way of being much of a tuff-stuff person... I think if she'd taken on some heavy-weight being (Wolf, for example) and wiped the floor with them, then attitudes would've been diferent. But, then again, that's just my POV.

Okay, last thing before I get into finishing a letter to my Heather and work on the third chapter of my "Bloody Vixen" Novel... For those of you interested, I am still going ahead with a bid to bring the Gathering in 2003 to Tampa, Florida. I plan to tackle the hotel issue first, but soon I will have a website up to detail the bid. Keep your eyes on my posts for future details.

Until then, Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, August 5, 2001 05:45:07 PM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

Robby> A very HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you! *big hug*
SOROW
Sunday, August 5, 2001 05:32:17 PM
IP: a010-0185.dll2.splitrock.net

*Enters*
*reads Shadowrider's post*
Awww.
*sets down dynamite*

Josh: getting to class is good. I need to get to every one I can if I want to finish broadsword before I go back to college.

*Goes back to webcomicing: currently on January of 98 for her first time reading Sluggy.*
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Sunday, August 5, 2001 03:26:46 PM
IP: 207.226.219.74

Time to goodbye, people...just until Friday, though. Until then, please try not to blow up the CR, right?

Niamhgold:> Got your mail, gonna reply right now! See you soon!

Winterwolf:> Got your mail too. Unluckily, no time tonight. Next weekend, maybe. Say hello to Dreamie for me, please!

Nothing more. See everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Sunday, August 5, 2001 02:48:19 PM
IP: h213-103-61.mi.albacom.net

Hi

Shadowrider> Check your email before you leave. If you have more time I'll try to catch you tonight. ^_^

Niamhgold> Glad to have you back in here. I have more to say but see my email for now. ;)

That's all for the moment must run. See you later!
Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Bronx, NY
Sunday, August 5, 2001 12:58:04 PM
IP: adsl-141-155-119-207.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net

** Niamhgold enters **

Woo, what a night! We had some major thunderstorms here, which was odd, considering we were the only area in the state to get any. Do you know how rare it is to actually have my town mentioned on the news? I didn't even knew it existed in the minds of mortal men l;)

Got some painting done yesterday afternoon; the lake was very pretty, and the sailboats were gorgeous. Plus, there was the church annual yard sale today; man, I went right when it began and bought up 18 super-quality oak and pine frames for $16 total! I bought them all. At one point, the owner of the local frame shop (who fixes them up and sells them for $500), came by and asked if I was buring them all, and I sorta just held onto them and said, matter-of-factly, yes ;) I kinda feel bad, but I usually buy one frame from her a year anyways (and for $700 for last year's, I think that's enough!) :)

In other news, I'm really excited to be learning a lot about Nigerian culture, as my next project at work is to set up a press kit for an African Import shop, and their marketing "agent" is a nice woman named Adamma. Gorgeous stuff; she has these old statues in the back that are dated back five-four hundred years, and she didn't know they were worth squat until an appraiser came by. He wanted her to sell them to museums. There's just a lot of beautiful mahogany and gold, and it smelled just so _ancient_ in there. These things are over six feet tall!

Okay, on to the replies!

Shadowrider: <<<Encyclopaedia of Sex>>> Wow...I didn't imagine that. Hm...maybe I'll ask to some of my English friends to purchase me a copy...I am curious now.> Lol. <<<< <<pounces Niamhgold and Shadowrider>>: Both of you!? Kinky.>>> Geeeeee.....> Encyclopedia of Sex, entry number 54. Or not ;)

Robby: <Yay, its August 5. I'm now officially 19. Its my birthday. Yay.> Happy birthday! Wow, for some reason I always assumed you were older than me...not that I'm older than you by much ;) Well, since I haven't seen Coyote around that much...**Wheels in the Chocolate Execution Cake** Here's the knife; cut yourself a piece :) And everyone stand back! ;P <Its a birthday ending probably the worst week of my life, but its still my birthday. *shrugs* In the course of this week my laptop died, my computer at work died, my last Shadowraiders tape fell apart, my Wolfwood figure broke his right arm off, the flu I picked up at San Diego lingered for the early part of the week, and that wasn't even the bad stuff... but hey, them's the breaks...)> I had an all right week, but I think I'm allergic to one of the pine frames I picked up...I was sanding it and developed an awful sinus infection. But, like you said, thems the breaks :) Next week will be better!

Jannie: <Thanks everyone for the suggestions on how to get the pink out> I think I must've missed the beginning of the pink thread...I can say I've been confused with everyone's comments about the pink! I say, though, try it for awhile ;) <Holy cow that girl is a bitch these days! She and I are going to do a major rumble before this baby is born.> And the baby will grow up to be a champion World Federation Wrestler ;)

Josh: <All the ceilings I this hoose are really low. I feel like a giant> Beware the Sasquatch of Toronto. Oh, I'm currently looking at the model pics, now...I'm going to resize them in photoshop and lay them out side-by-side, to get an overall better comparison; that's why it's taking me so d@mn long :) <For dinner we had…ice cream> I love ice cream for dinner! I used to work at a wonderful homemade ice cream place, and they had this thing called a Mount Washington (it's the biggest mountain on the east coast, right by my house, and the reason for all our snow ;)); it was made with four scoops of ice cream, whipped cream, blueberrys, strawberries, fudge, and/or butterscotch in the middle, and four banana spires in the four scoops of ice cream. Then you add walnuts and chocolate sprinkles. Mmmmm. Uh oh...there's some senseless rhetoric coming on ;) <Its actually the first time I've added anything to my fic in months, and while it isn't much yet, it should grow.> Here's waiting! <Between my cousin and her husband and all their marriages, there are 5 kids staying here plus me> All their marriages? How many are we talking about? ;) That's pretty cool about them, though...but, are they finally happy? <HEY GUESS WHAT? THE DRINKING AGE HERE IN 19!!! Guess how old I am (if you didn't already know)...> Hmmm...I thought it was 18. Or, at least, it was when I last went... ;) <You won't find a guy whose single that will argue, though> Probably why the nicest guys are those who are _in_ relationships and don't say that anymore ;) <Alright folks, that's all for tonight. Its 430AM and I'm EXHAUSTED> Only four? Well, I guess you have to account for jet lag, eh? <Welcome back to real posting! Does it hurt when you haven't done it in a while?> Not until someone makes a comment like that...but then it's just my brain that hurst ;) <Don't tell Crzy you call me that.> Blackmail? <Depends on how> Maybe you're thinking of it wrong. Atypical is good. Assymetrical is bad. <Ah, but I've been back from Donner for nearly a week> Frickin-frack. <There will be others. They always come back> Yeah, but everyone normally goes to the wizard for advice. And I get to live in the emerald city, to boot ;) <Thanks for your blessing! Because of you, they did in fact have the part!> You're very welcome! Not bad for a PC-user, eh? ;) <Problem with being sarcastic all the time is that no one believes you when you're not.> Amen. <Though I confess I'm curious...which items ARE acceptable?> Toilet seat covers, rugs...NOT! I guess the only acceptable animal print anything is something authentically cultural (i.e., Nigerian, Indian, etc.). And she was 12. <Dog?> Y'know, the golden retriever who was always wandering into the bad guy's yard (for the life of me, I can't remember the "prik's" name). The dog was also shown at the end when the house was overflowing w/ popcorn and the song started to play. <Does that ever sound like a pickup line> Now, that's a switch! ;) <For example, most web scripting (anything automatic that happens on a website, whether its submitting your email address to a database or spitting out a pop-up window) is probably gonna be HTML or Perl> I love Perl. HTML is all right, but I like those shortcut programs like Dreamweaver, where you don't have to spend forever typing in codes ;) <Ah, I remember the good old days of DOS> Nice article about the beginnings of DOS and IBM today in the paper. Funny; I usually go for the toons, then the business section. And, speaking of toons, I wanna email you a funny Foxtrot (unless you read it already). <Smart woman> Thank you ;)

Dubble: Dubble, bubble, toil and trouble. Welcome to the insanity! :)

GB: <While I may lose some friends over this relationship, it pales to how much I love her and that I have loved her for some time, though I was afraid to say anything> Oh, Green Baron, that is so wonderful! **Hugs** I'm so glad you won't have to be lonely anymore, and so glad that you don't have to go on to Germany without knowing that you have someone very special waiting for you :) I'm wishing and blessing you the very best in this relationship :)

Siofra: <I'm a two-bow kind of girl ;-)> I love being requoted! You tell him ;)

Patrick: <Why does everyone always pick on Angela and peg her as the only one who couldn't hold her own?> I don't know, but I think she'd be quite the baddass. Remember how venemous she was when she and the clan approached the hunters at St. Damien's cathedral? "We're not demons, and we're not monsters. We're gargoyles. And we're going to teach you to respect the name." Then, she proceded to kick the shazoo outta Robyn ;)

SJ: <Josh: Is it just me, or has EVERYONE now officially visited lain, except me? I'm incredibly jealous.> Well, you're not the only one...I haven't, either. <Oh well. Just a question, though-would you be upset or flattered if the love doll had been a female?> He probably wouldn't have told us, then ;)

Adios, all; my mom's cooking up raspberry muffins :P Summers rock, because I don't have to buy/cook my own food ;)

Niamhgold
Sunday, August 5, 2001 10:13:24 AM
IP: lac-flex80.ncia.net

*Warpmind enters, frowning.*
Hmmm... bit early, for a wipe, isn't it?

SJ: Are you at it with breast sizes again? *Glare* Once, it was funny, twice it is not so funny... once more, and it'll border on annoying. Oh, and while I'm probably going to just turn a distinguished gray at the temples as I grow older, I'm STILL going to shave my head. Trust me - it's a great way to hide a receding hairline. Plus, you get to cheat it of its victory. };)

Siofra: *Raspberry*

Josh: Hmmm... at G'01... Yeah, pretty much, I guess... wait, which day? ;) As for the execution idea... Barbara Streisand concerts? Hmmm... *Cogs turn* No... not violent enough... plus, I want to actually be present and watch without losing what little semblance of sanity I have...

Lain: Full moon... and you say "Lucky Josh"? *Blink* Hooboy... the lad's in more danger than I thought... };)

Revel: I'll abuse Lain's answering machine as much as I like, thank you. (But I enjoy slow torment... and I have an ER staff handy...) };)

Jan: *Unethical grin* Oh, go on; shave your head. You know you want to. ;) (And imagine the looks on the faces of your students when you show up bald, huh?)

By the way, I notice "The Encyclopedia of Sex" has been mentioned... is that one as good as "Sex Magick: the 37 Unspeakable Acts, including a compendium of several Speakable ones, and six more that everyone involved would rather just forget about"? };)

Later, everyone.

Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, August 5, 2001 08:41:59 AM
IP: mp-217-212-47.daxnet.no

Quickie!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel:><<<...I honestly didn’t expect you to.>>> Thanks for the consideration on my intellectual abilities...;)
<<<Even a powerful First Corporal like yourself? >>> Life is unfair sometimes, isn't it?
<<<Encyclopaedia of Sex>>> Wow...I didn't imagine that. Hm...maybe I'll ask to some of my English friends to purchase me a copy...I am curious now.
<<<I’m sure you recognized that from Full Metal Jacket.>>> Naturally I did. I like a lot all of Kubrick's movies (my preferred one being 2001...) and I practically know every line of FMJ (Well, almost every) so I got the referring. "This is my rifle..." and so on...;)
<<< <<pounces Niamhgold and Shadowrider>>: Both of you!? Kinky.>>> Geeeeee.....<grins>

Later

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Sunday, August 5, 2001 07:40:29 AM
IP: h213-16-196.mi2.albacom.net

Yay, its August 5. I'm now officially 19. Its my birthday. Yay.

Its a birthday ending probably the worst week of my life, but its still my birthday. *shrugs* In the course of this week my laptop died, my computer at work died, my last Shadowraiders tape fell apart, my Wolfwood figure broke his right arm off, the flu I picked up at San Diego lingered for the early part of the week, and that wasn't even the bad stuff... but hey, them's the breaks...)

Josh- No, its still just 2 people in the CR dating a girl named Heather. The Heather that GB is now dating is Heather Haskett, one and the same as the one I was dating 3 days ago. That they've been dating since June was one heck of a surprise to me to say the least...

SJ- Hey, you may not get in here often, but you still manage to get in more often than myself. As far as everything ripping off the Matrix, well... They all SAY they're going to be more like it, but I have yet to see endless gunfights with trencoated characters set to creative CGI special effects. (The the Matrix bit in Shrek was great...)

And there is SOME creativity in Hollywood. Or least in the advertising department for "American Pie 2" there is. I have absolutely no intention of seeing this movie, but I give the ads hugs kudos. They mostly play up on a single joke, dad walking into the bedroom of his son... But there's at least three variants on the sequence! So that much at least isn't ruined for the moviegoer, and it shows some real inginuity, as generally, when a joke gets put into a commercial, that joke gets played relentlessly until it ain't funny anymore... So kudos to AP2 on the creativity of the commercials at least. I still have no intention of seeing it tho.

Battlebots season 3- This season is just insane. 300 freaking robots! That's a LOT of episodes, just to get through the first round! This season is gonna last a while, methinks...

ANyway, I should get back to work... I have a 10 page comic book due in like 5 days and only 3 pages done on it...
Robby
Sunday, August 5, 2001 01:21:52 AM
IP: ac923335.ipt.aol.com

GB> congrats on finding the love in your life :) Everything will work out for the best concerning other people's opinions. Don't forget to check in whenever you can while in Germany!

Baldy> you don't know how close I came to becoming your look-alike ;) I was becoming quite frustrated in trying to get the pink out of my hair! I did get a haircut, but not as short as yours *L*

Thanks everyone for the suggestions on how to get the pink out and for the encouragement to keep it. I'm afraid that keeping the pink was not really an option for various reasons. If it had been blue, I might have said, "damn the consequences" and kept it, though ;)
I had my hair cut a lot shorter and it was still very noticable so then I did what I never wanted to do... dye my hair. I tried to get as close as possible to my natural hair color, but it still ended up being a shade darker. O.o The "pink hair" ended up more of a rust color but it doesn't stand up and slap you across the face as it once did. *L* Anyway, my mom says that I look younger now :) (she didn't see the pink - I avoided her all week)

Spacebabie> I believe it was you that made the comment about Texans and proper grammar..?... We Texans (for the most part) speak proper grammar, we just throw in some slanguage while we're at it ;) and a few southern phrases... "don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining" or "shittin' in tall cotton" to name a couple. Sometimes the accent makes it sound like improper grammar, but it's really not *L*
Also on a more serious note, my prayers will be with your dad. I'm glad that they were able to catch this in the early stages and it multiplies the chances of recovery :)

SJ> *L* yeah, I get the reference ;)
I agree with you about the spelling issue. I know that typos are going to be made and such but when it's constant, it becomes irritating. I don't think public schools have anything to do with this, though. I know people that have gone thru private school and misspell words all the time. Heck, my own daughter is a horrible speller and I'm a teacher! I worked with her all the time with the spelling lessons and still correct her spelling! In her case, it's a matter of being lazy and then thinking it's funny to misspell all the time. I don't understand the mentality of people who intentionally misspell or make mistakes and then call it their "trademark". Since when is appearing stupid something to be proud of? *shrugs* go figure.

Speaking of my daughter.... she's going to drive me to drink. Anna and pregnancy is NOT a good combination. Holy cow that girl is a bitch these days! She and I are going to do a major rumble before this baby is born.

Nothing really interesting happening in my life these days... just busy with sewing for the baby and making the curtains for my house. Finished with vacation Bible school tonight.... received no recognition for teaching in TWO areas - games and music. ohwell, I don't do it for the recognition - but it still would have been nice to have mentioned my name at least once. =\
It's been a rough week for my self-esteem *nods* I'm trying to not have a pity party where I'm the guest of honor.

Josh> hehe, you made it to Canada! I hope you have a great time :) I've never been to Canada, but I'm planning on getting there within the next few years. I have no idea of where to even begin a trip in Canada, so I will be looking to you for recommendations =)

Juanita (my chihuahua) is telling me it's time for bed, so g'night all!
Jan
Saturday, August 4, 2001 11:14:35 PM
IP: modem19-145.mo-net.com

Helloo from Canada!

All the ceilings I this hoose are really low. I feel like a giant.

Today is Shabbat, so my orthodox Jewish cousins relaxed all day long. It’s a pretty sweet setup, if you ask me. They do nothing all day every Saturday.

After crashing last night at 430AM (Canuck time), I woke up at aboot noon…not a good schedule for a Californian.

Just to point oot how silly Canadians are, I found oot that Monday is a holiday. No school/work/whatever for the entire country. When I asked what the holiday was for, the response I got was “Canadians just like to have three-day weekends in August”. Hey, sounds like a good reason to me, but not very official. But if there’s more, then by George I’ll move here 8-)

For dinner we had…ice cream. No, I’m not kidding. I will make fun of many things aboot Canada, but the food is not one of them. That ice cream was amazing.

Todd Jensen: <>: In bra and panties, of course. Then again, in Demona’s case that might be redundant.

Lynati: <<you know you have issues when it's 4 in the morning, you can't sleep, and you're so bored you start plucking your eyebrows AS A SOURCE OF ENTERTAIMENT>>: For fun and profit? <<at least I'm awake for this afternoons class>>: Happens to the best of us.

Patrick Toman: <<common sense is not and should not be by definition absent from teenage hijinks>>: I didn’t say that. I said it was by definition absent from “STUPID teenage hijinks”. Absence of common sense is what makes them stupid. <<The point is to use a little intelligence when having your fun, so that you stay safe and once in a while you can get away with it without driving your parents into an early grave>>: I know the point, I played by the rules most of the time. But even Josh the dweeb got into trouble occasionally (though nothing on the level that Kathy’s so upset aboot). <<anyone who can swing a tree trunk as easily as Mark McGwire lobbing a home run is definitely not a "98 pound weakling>>: Depends on the tree trunk. I’ve seen some pretty skimpy trees, myself. <>: By the forces of “kids are too stupid to know that”. I DID notice, just in case you thought I was just being a moron by making that comment, but in the cartoons he affects ALL metal, so I was using that as a reference (since, frankly Demona is a cartoon too, despite all our efforts to the contrary). <<if someone dropped a ton of gold ingots on your head>>: ooch.

Lain: <<jumps up and down waving at josh wildly>>: Okay…I pick…uh…Lain! <<OH OH OH !!!!!!!!!!!>>: No comment. <<GUESS WHOS *NOT* WORKING SUNDAY AND *DOESNT* HAVE CLASS ON MONDAYYYYYYYYYYYY>>: Everyone in this hoosehold? <<OH OH PICK ME EMEMEMEMEMEEEEEEEEE>>:Okay Lain. <<im excited, cant you tell>>: No. <<personally, id rather go to toronto cos london is kinda booooooooooooring>> Soonds fine to me. <<toronto has CARABANA>>: What is Carabana? <<even if you ARE a jerk>>: Hell, if you’ll hang with me, you’ll hang with ANYONE. <<its the full moon... lucky josh>>: Um…why does that soond bad?

Siofra: <>: That’s not what I was suggesting… <<I'm a two-bow kind of girl>>: Ah, so chika bow bow? <<this isn't me just being all excited about a second date or anything>>: I gathered. <<Brooklyn would certainly give him a run for his money with his laser gun...>>: Oh you didn’t say he had that. In that case he might whoop Wolvie too. <<distracted by shiny things—LOL>>: You would be too if you grew up on a place as boring as Avalon (withoot the fae). <<Size changes, mass does not>>: I see, said the blind man. <>: I think you did it when you started posting.

Smut-Pandering Bitch-Queen of All Creation: <<it'd be helpful, though, if you could toss me an e-mail to remind me>>: No problem, assuming you’re gonna post more notices aboot the upcoming deadline. <<"BattleChains,">>: Sweet!

Green Baron: <<How many of you remember Heather>>: I don’t, but I’m sure you’re very happy. Congrats. That makes, what 3 people in the CR dating girls named Heather? <<While I may lose some friends over this relationship, it pales to how much I love her>>: I hate to ever be the pessimist, but in my experience it is not worth losing a friend over a girl. Unless you happen to be married to her, in which case you’ve already made the pledge to stick by her forever. <<Gunjack might beat you to them>>: We can only hope for her sake. <<told everyone he was in the hospital to get circumcised>>: At 75!? And I was screaming at the tender age of 8 days. I don’t know what I’d do at that age. <<I'll bring the tapes to G2002 for a Heston film festival>>: I don’t think you can do that around so many Democrats. <>: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Shadowrider: <>: I honestly didn’t expect you to. <<everyone was involved, from the highes ranks to the lowest, has become subject to investigation>>: Even a powerful First Corporal like yourself? <<be aware of what you say about my country>>: It’s not me! There’s this book, published in England, that my friend has a copy of, called the “Encyclopaedia of Sex” or something like that. ITS FROM ENGLAND, not the US, so don’t bomb us or anything. Basically it lists a number of things that start with the word “Italian” that all have very inappropriate connotations. Don’t have any idea why that is. <<No, not exactly>>: I’m sure you recognized that from Full Metal Jacket.

Dubble: <>: Did I meet you?

Dreamie: <<pounces Niamhgold and Shadowrider>>: Both of you!? Kinky.

Revel: <<Now you have3 become... ONE OF THEM>>: Someday perhaps. Not anytime soon. <<Of all the people to be stranded with why did it have to be the mailman>>: Because the pool cleaner was busy.

Lexy: <<asked us to post our Gathering Journals>>: Curses, I’ve no clue. You could go back through the CR archives though and look.

Ya know, one of us mac users should really download the entire archive and index it so that we can search the entire history of the CR for a single phrase. Might take a few hundred meg (lots of text, but you don’t need to archive the pics) but it’d probably be worth it.

Okay folks I’m tired. Good night. I think I'll skip a quote tonight since my laptop is asleep.

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, eh?
Saturday, August 4, 2001 11:13:37 PM
IP: hse-toronto-ppp255355.sympatico.ca

Hiya Lexy!

I think Greg "Viceroy" Crumpton(voiceroy@dmozed.org) was the person who requested it, and the Voice actors appreciation site is at "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/voice_actor_appreciation"

(info courtesy "Gargoyles News Central")

I hope that helps! ^_^
Toodles!
Dreamie
Saturday, August 4, 2001 09:34:05 PM
IP: acb70559.ipt.aol.com

CAN ANYONE HELP ME??

I accidentally dumped an email I really needed. Does anyone remember that one guy ..geez cant even remember his name. Who came in here, and asked us to post our Gathering Journals..NO not Greg W. I mean that guy who hosts that web page that Cripsin Freeman likes so much. A voice actors web site. He wanted the essays for his webpage. If anyone still has it, or knows a way I can get a'hold of um please let me know! Thanks!
Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Saturday, August 4, 2001 08:57:27 PM
IP: ac9151d3.ipt.aol.com

Soory for the double but I forgot to check yesterday and I got the ol' Forbidden message. I hate that. Interesting thing happened today, I got an E-mail from someone who read one of my stories and it was constructive on top of that! I know this may not sound like much, but this was the first time I've heard from anyone that I don't know. Sure I've had friends read some stuff I've made, but that's different. They will lie if it's really bad, but this was someone else. So that made my day.

Josh-You crossed the boarder?! Now you have3 become... ONE OF THEM! Just kidding. A friend of mine in Wisconsin was in Canada last week and she had a blast so that should make Lain happy that everyone likes Canada, eh?

Dubble- yeah I think I ran into you form about five minutes or so. I think what most surpirised me was that way back in the internet reunion everyone thought you were like ten or something. Which obviously you were not. welcome and feel free to delurk anytime. Just watch the the jar of sanity and make sure it does not get away.

Warp the Bald- A friend who is currently in Germany killed my first answering machine from over usage, My Dad still thinks he owns him one. Just remember love them, but don't abuse them. ]:)

"Of all the people to be stranded with why did it have to be the mailman!"
-Dilbert-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Saturday, August 4, 2001 08:42:56 PM
IP: ac9fd732.ipt.aol.com

? Let's see if it works this time
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Saturday, August 4, 2001 08:30:03 PM
IP: ac9fd732.ipt.aol.com

Oh, oh! And I'm really sorry for the multiple posts but the site I'm linking to? Isn't mine. I WISH I drew that well. *L* Its an online comic a friend of mine from the S8 chatroom draws and its really cool so go take a look! ;)
Dubble - [dubblebubble_13@hotmail.com]
London, UK
Saturday, August 4, 2001 05:36:56 PM
IP: webcacheh05a.cache.pol.co.uk

And that's what you get for typing slow. 10 then? ;)
Dubble - [dubblebubble_13@hotmail.com]
London, UK
Saturday, August 4, 2001 05:35:46 PM
IP: webcacheh05a.cache.pol.co.uk

Hey, wow top ten!

Number 8.

Heh, hi. *L* I'm Dubble, my real name's Cleo. I've been lurking here for...a few months now and I met some of the people here in LA so I figured I'd try start posting. *L* *mutters* If I cab keep up that is...;)
Dubble - [dubblebubble_13@hotmail.com]
London, UK
Saturday, August 4, 2001 05:34:46 PM
IP: webcacheh05a.cache.pol.co.uk

:::pounces Niamhgold and Shadowrider::: :D

Lucky Nine!
Dreamie and Winterwolf
Saturday, August 4, 2001 05:31:41 PM
IP: acb60cdd.ipt.aol.com

** Niamhgold enters **

Eight! Welcome home Shadowrider! :) ** Hugs **

Adios!
Niamhgold
Saturday, August 4, 2001 05:27:30 PM
IP: lac-flex241.ncia.net

Lucky number 7!!!
Siofra
Saturday, August 4, 2001 03:33:16 PM
IP: pm497-46.dialip.mich.net

SIX! =)
Jan
Saturday, August 4, 2001 03:29:56 PM
IP: modem19-145.mo-net.com

Top ten?

Its been a while
Spacebabie - [spacebabie@hotmail.com]
Orlando , Florida, USA
Saturday, August 4, 2001 03:01:01 PM
IP: proxy.ord.netsetter.com

As promised, real post. On to replies...not that I have so many to do.

Niamhgold:> Well, I'm here...I'll try to be online tonight, and see if I catch you!

Spacebabie:> <<Hey how ya doing?>> Oh, not so bad, I think. Thank you for asking! <Full Metal Jacket> One of my preferred movies..."This is my rifle..."

Josh "Imzadi Wurzel:> Hmm...I am not sure I got everything in your reply (I'm sorry, but idiomatic expressions often put me in difficulties), but according to what I got, sems I wasn't able to make myself understand. All right, I'll explain completely: two weeks ago there was the G8 summit in Genova, and the event was accompanied with riots and vandalisms, just like in Seattle some time ago. Now, to face this were called massive forces of Police and Carabinieri, and in addition some contingents of Italian Army...myself included. Now, during the repression of the riots, seems that there were episodes of excessive brutality by the police forces. Wrong, for sure, but it was just episodes. Problem is that some political parts are using these episodes to put in discussion the whole operation, and as a result everyone was involved, from the highes ranks to the lowest, has become subject to investigation. And that is why I could be in troubles. BTW, I probably made it appear thougher than it is...my squad and I were employed in a relatively tranquil zone, and when a small group of rioters tried to provocate us throwing stones, we didn't react and after a few minutes they retreated. So, I suppose an eventual inquiry on me and my squad is going to lead to nothing...but, anyway, for sure it is not pleasant. My Rgt has been ordered to make sure I don't leave Italian territory and so on...no, it is not pleasant for sure. Oh, well...
<<<...then again "Italian Culture" is a euphamism for, um, nevermind...>>> Hm...that is one part I am not sure I got...oh well. Just a friendly warning: please, be aware of what you say about my country...or, better: say what you like, but please cure the way you say it. After all, I've sworn to protect Italy at any cost...and, furthermore, even with all of its faults, it is the only Fatherland I have. Although, sometimes...hm, nevermind.
<<< You were ordered to eat a donut while your commrades did push-ups? >>> <grins> No, not exactly...

GB:> Happy Birthday! Hey, you got my same age now...
Frankfurt, you say? I've been there in vacation...very beautiful city, and great beer!

Alright, seems it is all for now. See later!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Saturday, August 4, 2001 02:39:36 PM
IP: h213-20-181.mi2.albacom.net

4? or top 10 :-)
DPH
Saturday, August 4, 2001 02:30:38 PM
IP: max1-61.cwy.cei.net

Third! And all the way up from Canada, eh?
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Toronto, Ontario, CANADA, eh?
Saturday, August 4, 2001 02:27:27 PM
IP: hse-toronto-ppp255355.sympatico.ca

Second! Real post coming.
Shadowrider
Saturday, August 4, 2001 01:52:44 PM
IP: h217-166-5.mi2.albacom.net

First!
Patrick Toman
Saturday, August 4, 2001 01:51:01 PM
IP: aca92f24.ipt.aol.com