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Well.... looks like the WTC corner of MY isn't the only place that seems like hell. And here I thoutht we could be rational with our opinions and prejudices. My bad.

Anyway. I dont know what's going on, I'm listening to rumours, and trusting only 5 people... my parents, my BF, myself and an Angel I know.

I can only hope that we all get through this as a community and not by losing friends... but whatever it takes. I dont suppose that anyone's considered the possibility that the terrorists actually thought about what hitting tings like they did would do to us. notice they didnt hit military, the went for civilians and noticable stuff... they want the attention. Well... it seems America is going to give it to them, fine... but do WE have to go nuts too? I hope that we can look past the words on the computer screens (or however you'r looking at this) and see that we're all people who have been affected by this sick attack in one way or another. I love you all, but it sucks to come in and read some of the stuff that is being done to each other. I'm not admin, and i have no power to tell you to back off... but think about it.. what good are we doing ANYONE when we can't even get along with our own community?

::sigh:: Anyway.. ther's my 2 cents. I'm Scared for our future, not only in here , but the US. There's more sharks out there than we know about and they're all ready to bite us when our pants are down.

Take care of yourselves, but dont forget that there is more than just us out there.

::hugs to all::
Aingeal
Saturday, September 15, 2001 05:36:31 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Here's something to think about: For years I've been boggled by terrorism on our country. When I was little and my mom explained to me what happened with the hostage crises in Iran during Carter's administration, I remember how indignanbt my reaction was. "Why did we stand for that? Why didn't we get them for that?"

Since then we've had car bombs and half-witted assassination attempts on former Presidents. Why did we do nothing in response to all of these trespasses? Maybe the fact that it took the slaughter of 5,000 people and two national landmarks to finally get us going says something. Maybe we might blame ourselves. There is complacency and there is apathy. Until now, I'd say we've been apathetic.
Entity
Saturday, September 15, 2001 04:52:27 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

I don't think that it's going to be a simple procedure in taking down the terrorist. We are certainly going to have our hands full and it will take much longer than we probably anticipate. However, it is necessary and must be done.

Spacebabie> <> *blinks* you really think so? hmmm... I see the opposite. heh, perception of different people, huh? :)

GB> heh, for once I actually and totally understood a reference someone has made in here! *L* I'm currently reading The Godfather ;) I've never read it before and have only seen parts of the movie. It's a shame that the "families" can't just take care of this situation... hehe

Christine> <<That sort of mindset ... >> yes and that's what makes me the most nervous of all. With this type of attitude and believing that Americans are satanist - it's going to be a very difficult war. We are not used to dealing with people with this type of mindset. We are going to have to change the way we think and do things to be able to conquer.

Greg B> <<My big fear is that they have weapons of mass destruction>> yeah, me too... *shudders*

On a personal note... I am once again among the employed! I begin my job as the secretary to the sheriff on Monday. I've always had an interest in law enforcement and this is going to be as close as I can get to being involved in it. I wanted to be a highway patrolman after high school but at the time they had height requirements and I was too short =\. The pay isn't very much but that's one benefit of being retired - I can now work at a job that I LIKE and not have to worry if it pays enough to accomodate the cost of living for my family.
I'll have to adjust back to working hours and days, but I think that it will be good for me to get back into a routine. I'm not finished with the remodeling but didn't want to pass up the opportunity for this job when it became available last week. I'll work on my house in the evenings and weekends :)

Aaron> <<Don't make me impose economic sanctions>> if you did, does that mean that I could stop paying you the monthly installments? ;) j/k! geesh.. don't want anyone to think that you would do anything such as extortion or protection fees... I gotta' stop reading The Godfather... O.O

DPH> there you are! =) I've been wondering were you've been!

well, back to painting... after this is finished, I hope to never see another bucket of paint.
Jan
Saturday, September 15, 2001 03:44:35 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Now for a new pic. I guess I just don't feel too much liek a lovable Benedictine monk, even after reading St. Leibowitz and the Wild Horse Woman. A pity.

Greg> Well, I probably missed that about Castro and you are right. As the great and noble Attila who turned the Huns from loose tribes of mercenary to a Confederation (the Hun, not my baby) said, "today's enemy is tommorrow's allay". We will need all the allies we can get. Castro would get the embargos lifted more easily if he woudl just go capitalistic. His people would be free and enjoy a vastly improved living standard and he could still make a fortune.

I think China will go with us, but war ebtween China and the US is foolish. China has vast potential for markets and the Government has too much to gain with their potential and ability to extort the world.

Spacebabie> Well, the Talibans ahve declared war on us, but if a rival faction takes control..... man, where is the CIA when you need it. It could be one big chess game. I wonder what Machiavelli would say.

Aaron> Well, I can't sympathize too much with what was done to the British. Irish and Scottish history blows the "civilized Englishman" facade right out the water.

Galvatron> I'd love to see a time in History when the League of Nations and the UN co-existed.

Christine> I can understand there are causes worth dying for and those worth killing for, but that goes beyond my understanding. The best punishment is to let them live but parade them around as freaks and break their spirit and resolve, until they die, broken, humiliated husks of who they once were.

And of course, fill their water supply with salt peter :)

Here's a little article about Israel and Palestine. Click on my name.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Saturday, September 15, 2001 03:33:02 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

I talk, but things aren't getting much calmer... Don't make me impose economic sanctions. Um, wait, that might not be the best idea right now...

Moochie> The Afghans have been doing that to prisoners since the British tried to conquer the place. That's okay. As far as I'm concerned, the Geneva Convention only applies to those who recognize it.

Josh> <<And I don't think I'm the only one>> No, you're not. <<That'll teach 'em to get involved in a land war in Asia. Everyone knows not to do that!>> And yet, we're about to... <<An admin isn't allowed to be biased ;-)>> There are some things that lie above being a room admin. This is one of them.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Saturday, September 15, 2001 01:27:57 PM
IP: 246-pool1.ras10.txhou.tii-dial.net

Robby- The theme of Endless Waltz was war, peace and revolution.

SJ-<<But this has now turned into a game of "Blame the Jew". >> But when exactly was I blaming the jews in my original post.

<<They want reparations, they work things out diplomatically, >> Would you have advocated diplomacy if you were in the same situation? No you'd probably be shouting for genocide and bombing your enemies into the ground and they didn't exactly see the miracles of diplomacy when pleading with the UN and the League of Nations.

<<Right, which is why I saw so many Palestinians, including countless children and women, dancing in the streets when they heard of the news that we just got screwed. Of course THOSE people couldn't be terrorists or anti-American. >> First they were a minority and second I don't think living in a refugee camp actually improves ones attitude towards the US and Israel.
Galvatron
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:47:14 PM
IP: 01-103.037.popsite.net

Just a quick note -- posted several new pics on my site (thank you, artists!) as well as some links and a mini-report on DragonCon. Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

The latest issue of Reader's Digest, which arrived this week, carries an article on Palestinian suicide bombers. Had quotes that just make the blood run cold ("I am very happy and proud of what my son did. He has become a hero! What more could a father ask?" or, from the leader of a group that claims to have from 5-20 young men waiting on a moment's notice to wire up and take out as many people as they can, "We like to grow them. From kindergarten through college.") That sort of mindset ... hideous.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:17:07 PM
IP: 16-173.075.popsite.net

GB> Castro did send his condolences and condemned the attack. He even offered to volunteer hospitals and blood.

Of course I am 100% sure that he did all that with an agenda to have sanctions lifted on Cuba. I don't trust that man at all. But we have bigger enemies to worry about right now.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:06:52 PM
IP: dialup-209.246.107.21.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

I don't care what actions we take as long as all terrorists, and all who support them. Also, I've got to wonder about more terrorist strikes on American soil.

My big fear is that they have weapons of mass destruction from the Russian Black Market, then we could be in big trouble. Nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons. The next attack could be much worse. At the same time, we cannot and should not let these monsters intimidate us

I am also of Jewish descent and I found Galvatron's comments to be quite despicable. Then again, the guy is a real asshole. I never see him do anything in either this CR or the S8 one that isn't trolling.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:03:22 AM
IP: dialup-209.246.107.21.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

JOSH> THat was a typo. I meant to type 'I hope I am NOT one of those people that you consider a pussy' in there.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:45:36 AM
IP: dialup-209.246.107.21.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

Ok like Lain I too suffer from foot in the mouth syndrom

Galvitron>>>Ok I'm sorry I misinterperated your words.

Entity>>I only apologised to Galvie cause you asked me too and cause I respect you.

but I am a little miffed that some people are sympathizing with the palestinians because of a piece of land that was ORIGINALLY beloning to the jews to being with. After all they didn't walk around a desert for fourty years for nothing.

and before I leave

Afhanastan has Declared war on the USA and anyone who helps us.
Spacebabie
Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:26:33 AM
IP: proxy.ord.netsetter.com

Now, to try Umbriel.

Good news from the European front (so to speak). I have requalified with my 16A2 rifle as a markasman only, but nonetheless requalified, so I will be on QRF tommorrow. Threatcon in Europe is now at Charlie level, showing a little bit more ease. Of course, it s more precautionary than an evident threat to us in Hanau. Of course, one hijacking suspect was arrested in Hamburg, which is not far from me at all.

Hyperion> Well, I first of all do not consider barbarian an insult. Rome was a decadent, preverted Empire in need of a mercy killing by the barabarians, so I wouldn't use the term barabarian.

Also, a military attack is a bad idea. It is the notion of someone like Sonny Corleone, who "was a bad Don, God rest his soul." We need to approach this rationally, with diplomacy and treachery. The State Department needs to brush up on their Machiavelli. We currently have eneemies who also hate each other. We can pit our enemies against each other.

Afgahnistan is better dealt with by teh CIA tahn the Infantry. The Talibans have a clear rival. We need to make a good alliance with these rivals and we can simply help them fight our enemy for us. Most people follow who's in charge. Why fight when others who know the terrain, the climate, and have a large stake in teh matter can do it for us.

Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell> Greedy, money-hungry preachers. They aren't my brand of Christians. I'll stick with Cardinal Eagan of New York and preachers with cool robes who live in rectories instead of million dollar homes and spoiled families. My preachers can't even marry.

That reminds me, what has the Holy Father said about the bombings?

The flight in Pennsylvania> Those men and women who died averting the terrorists from hitting the White House are true heroes. They are martyrs.

Attacks on Muslims> This is the worst side-effect. The Muslims in the United States are Americans. They have wholesome values, conservative views, and I would love to see a Muslim Justice on the Supreme Court. Justice imagine how they will handle Criminal Justice and interpret the 8th Ammendment.

The terrorists are herectics. They are a perversion of Islam, and I hope the Muslim Community will dispense with these herectics as my own faith dispensed with heresy only a few centuries ago.

Israel> They are our allay in that nation. They are also succesful and propserous in spite of all that affetcs them. Sure it sounds nice and fuzzy to give Palestinians some land, but they won't be satisfied until Israel is pushed into the water. There is also a substantial minority of Catholic and Orthodox Palestinians (including Arafat's wife) and I find it bothersome that they cannot enter Jerusalem. However it is war and Israel fights for its very life in a hostile land. Also there are Arabs serving on the Knesset (Israel's Parlaiment), so it isn't as bad as peopel make it out to be.

In a land like that, I'd rather see the factions put their differences aside for the sake of capitalism. Once the area is safe, Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike could rake in vast fortunes from tourist dollars. Make money, not war.

SJ> First off, I can't beleive I'd agree with a member of the ACLU. They consider vandalizing a Church to expressionistic art, but I have to agree with those secularists this time.

As for you being raised Southern Baptist, I kinda guessed that. As for Ft Gordon, that wouldn't be too bad an assignment. I am a product of the South, though I am from an aristocratic family and by no means redneck.

Jan> The RedCross charges for their service. Maybe so, but they need to exist, too. I imagine its reasonably priced.

SJ> Today's enemies are tommorrow's allies. All the passion you have is not good for you. Remember Sonny Corleone in The Godfather and what happened to him? Better to be like Michael (who always finsihes the family business) or Tom Hagan. Let's be careful, before we kill a lot of our soldiers when we don't have to.

Attila would definitely know how to handle the nation's enemies, plus he had OJ the undying who could hack up the enemy and couldn't be stopped by anything. Attila the Hun would also know how to handle the terrorists.

Siryn> Well, I regard the lions as persecution against Christians by a secular, decadent, perverted society that worshipped their Emperors, and I find worshipping the Governemnt a truly perveretd act.

As for North Korea, I never said we shoudl attack it. I eliminated tehm as a suspect, because tehya re a basketcase of a nation thatw ill hopefully come to tehir senses and renounce Communism. Yes, I want the Democratic Republic of Korea to cease to exist, becuase I want it to rejoin the Republic of Korea.

I suggested we get Cuba unless they send condolences to us. Castro is another evil bearded monster, like Bin Laden, except Castro is too smart to committ terrorist acts against the US.

Greg Bishansky> We can link Sadaam to this? Good. He's a thorn in America's side, anyway. Let's get him, too.

Better a false alarm gets called in than a real one overlooked.

Moochie> I said that and I don't regret it. North Vietnam used children against us and I doubt teh Talibans would object to using Children strapped to explosives againts us. Besides, our country breeds a sick mentality that won't let us grow up until we are in our late twenties, while in other countries, 10 year olds are adults and in some cases warriors in a practcial sense.

Entity> <<We've just walked into the temple of merchants.>> That was one thing that always bothered me about Jesus, especially since it gave partial credence to peopel who woudl call Jesus a Commie or a socialist. If he was, I wouldn't be a Christian. Let's not attack merchants, please. The attack on Tuesday was also an attack on capitalism and its main byproducts freedom, liberty, and opportunity.

I'm about to do some good old-fashioned exercise. I'll be on later.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Saturday, September 15, 2001 06:57:50 AM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

In the midst of all this, let us not forget the underlying theme of Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz.

Um... 'War is not healthy for flowers and other living things'. No wait, that was the underlying theme of Gundam Wing, not Endless Waltz. Endless Waltz's theme was...Uhm...

Lots of stuff blowed up real good! Yeah, that sounds about right...

In any event, clickie on my name for a midi file I just recently came across. No, its not some sad thing dedicated to the events of Tuesday, or a patriotic instrumental, or anything like that, just a little something to lighten up the mood a little... (I was gonna link "Be a Dentist" from Little Shop of Horrors, but couldn't find a decent midi of it...)

And yes, I *AM* up entirely too late...
Robby
Saturday, September 15, 2001 04:59:48 AM
IP: ac992bda.ipt.aol.com

*Puffs sadly on bubble pipe.* Some things need clarifying. I'm certainly no expert, so if you spot a factual mistake in what I'm saying -please- correct me, A.S.A.P.. But I think I've got this straight.
About a decade ago Secretary of State Baker went to Israel and spoke to the Israelis about something that was leading to some nasty incidents with Palestinians - Isreali settlements in the occupied territories. Settlements in clear violation of international law. An agreement was made with Israel back then, to try and pull out of the area, or to at least stop expanding. Since then the size of the settlements has doubled, and about 400,000 Israelis have moved in and carved the West Bank and Gaza up. And, let us be frank, most of the people volunteering to occupy these dangerous territories are dangerous themselves, taking the job as a way of attacking Palestine. They're not your average Israelis, who seem like nice enough folk, these guys have weapons, and they think they're religiously entitled to the place, never mind international law. At last count some seventeen Palestinian villages have been completely surrounded by Israeli compounds. I don't know about you, but that would make me nervous if I was a Palestinian. Large areas of Palestinian land surrounding settlements have been seized by Israel and redefined as "state" lands. And then there's the "Jewish only security roads". Well, they're Israeli only all right, but tend to be used more for transport from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv than for security, and have required confiscation of large amounts of Palestinian land. So, am I saying that the Israelis are at fault for what's going on? Don't -dare- insult me by saying that's what I'm getting at. I'd wager your average Israeli wants to get the hell out of those areas (many experts think that actually moving entirely out or the illegal territories would -vastly- reduce the violence). But there's complications. In Israel there are many more factions in government than in America (not that the two party system is that great). What that means is this: In order to get enough of a majority vote to elect a Prime Minister, the fairly large, forward thinking, pretty peaceful groups have to ally themselves with hardcore conservative groups. And what does -this- mean? It means that if a PM even suggested pulling settlers out of those territories then the hardcore groups would withdraw their support, turn to another large group, the PM would lose majority vote, and then wouldn't be PM any more. Long story short, one of the major reasons why Palestine hates Israel is because of these illegal settlers, but it's pretty much impossible (due to a heavily fractured party system and a couple of stubborn parties) for Israel to actually pull out of the area. Screwed up? Oh you'd better believe it's screwed up. Innocent people on both sides are suffering because of hardliners. And there's pretty much nothing anyone can do about it either, although I'm sure they want to. Welcome to earth, migraine center of the universe.
Damien
Saturday, September 15, 2001 04:04:12 AM
IP: lando-58.flexabit.net

Oh, and a fun filled day it was!

Not. (you'll have to forgive me, I'm a valleyboy)

I managed to get all my assignments in today; they were all postponed in light of Tuesday's attack.

Apparently, classes are cancelled on Monday from 12-2 (wouldn't you know it, the classes I like least, too!) because of some protest or service or something or other. I'm gonna skip it, because I'm a callous @$$hole, and because my time is better spent doing other things, like eating.

Something really funny from yesterday. My roommate and I are eating dinner and watching the news about the destruction and he says "if this were a movie, we'd be laughing. The World Trade Center destroyed by a plane crashing into it, yeah right, change the channel." Its funny, yet disturbingly true. We've seen this kind of stuff before in movies and thought nothing of it. Perhaps that's why I'm so dull about the whole thing.

I saw Cruel Intentions 2 today. Apparently, it was by the writers of Dawson's Creek and went straight to video. It was supposed to be the pilot for a new TV series and is actually a prequel to the wonderful movie that features Sarah Michelle Gellar (one of my future wives) kissing Selma Blair. The movie was everything you'd expect from the writers of Dawson: funny with good dialogue, only this time with far more interesting characters. Had this been against Dawson for the same time slot, it would have blasted Van Der Beek out of the water.

Our ragtag SETI group has a whopping 3 members and a whopping 345 units already! Woohoo!

Tonight I went to Berkeley Thai House (mmmm...) with Mike and his friend Nick. A good time was had by all.

Tomorrow I've got work, so I sit at home from 1-7 doing homework and occasionally answering the phone. No idea what I'm doing tomorrow night, probably RHPS, maybe a party or two.

Anyway...

Patrick: <<hospitals in this country send out bills afterward for their services>>: Well maybe someday universal health care will be...existant. <<it makes me wonder what defense lawyer here would even want to represent them>>: The greedy kind...a.k.a. any of them. Seriously though, this is why I think they should be tried elsewhere. Somewhere that DOESN'T guarantee an attorney. Buwahahahaha.

Siofra: <<the column was actually published all over the place>>: All the more reason just to link to it.

Greg X: <>: You want to be a pussy?

Sevarius Jr: <<I'm wrong EVERY time. It's amazing>>: One would think you'd learn to stop saying it. <<liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America>>: Sorry everyone! MY BAD! I didn't mean to bring down the WTC and kill thousands, honestly! I didn't think supporting a woman's right to choose would have that effect! <<An ACLU spokeswoman said the group "will not dignify the Falwell-Robertson remarks with a comment.>>: Damn straight! <<they're going to hell, right?>>: I'd bet my computer on it. <<you just proved to me that not only are you an fucking anti-Semitic Jew-hater, but you're a DUMB fucking anti-Semitic Jew-hater>>: Don't hold back on us now! <>: Interesting choice of words. <<odds are someone in here is of Jewish descent>>: ::raises hand:: And I don't think I'm the only one. <<In a week filled with cowardly acts, that ranks right up there>>: I'm sorry, but I don't think this ranks up with flying airplanes into buildings. <<Blame the Jew>>: God, how pathetic. We've taken to blaming the enemy of our enemy. <<pesky land-stealing Jews>>: Shows what Galvie knows. I haven't stolen any land all month! <<Who are you, Kaioto Jr.>>: My thoughts exactly.

What really sucks about Jerry Falwell is that he's a republican. He gives the rest of us republicans a bad name. This fat bastard is why I get dirty looks from women when I tell them I didn't vote for Pinocchio (a.k.a. Gore).

Queen of Pain: <<what kind of sick bastards are they>>: The sick kind. <<it was filled with an antijew theme, it makes it lool like YOU are sympathizing withe the Palestinians>>: You realize you sound like right now its only okay to hate Palestinians, which is no more right. <<because like Josh said>>: I think people agree with me too much. I'm the inverse of Doug Elder! <>: She really doesn't. She just projects that. <<Yes I'm the Good cop, SJ is the bad cop>>: I really hope that NONE of you are cops.

Hyperion: <<the Israelis have treated the Palestinians like dirt for years>>: Possibly because they've been trying to kill the Israelis since they moved in? <<There are to options, 1) diplomacy 2) utterly destroy the following nations>>: The first one is preferrable, but you've got to admit the second will be more fun to watch. <>: Or, everyone will want to be our friends. <<Afghanistan or any other country that is primarily desert>>: Arizona? <<Every attack that Israel carries out on Palestine is with American equipment>>: What do you think we give it to them!? No. We sell it to them. We sell our stuff to many governments. What they do with is out of our hands, just like you don't sue Smith&Wesson when a gun at some school kills your kid. <<what is it that you want?>>: Elizabeth Dushku. Jaime Pressley. Denise Richards. Get me those three, and I'll find a way to end terrorism myself. <<Bombing? Assassination? Embargo? What?>>: If all three will end terrorism, then that's what needs to be done. Terrorism can not be tolerated. <<No more than two pages, single spaced in the color of your choice. Due in one week>>: Oh, don't tempt me.

Jan: <>: And they're missing their nuggets, to boot. <>: No, I judge republicans based on that...which is a real problem since I *AM* a republican. <<good comeback with your mom concerning the 2 cars>>: I'd really love to steal them...both. <<$10 says it hit a guilt nerve with her>>: I sure hope so. I'm tired of their crap. <<The only problem right now is that we've seem to have "lost" bin Laden>>: Oops. <<Bush currently has an 80% favor rating right now>>: War is good for ratings. <<I'm guessing around... say the time that it was allowed that someone could come in and make fun of someone's personal real life appearance and nothing was said about that>>: Look, I've said it a million times: I don't how funny looking you think I am! ;-) <<email is a 'comin>>: Too much information.

Entity: <<No one actually views these people, or the Christian Right and its sister organizations for that matter, as reputable representatives of Christianity>>: Someone must, otherwise they wouldn't call them the "moral majority". <<we're ruthless all right>>: Ruthlessly lazy. <>: Lovely image. <<Shouldn't we be capable of handling these things without an administrator stepping in?>>: If we were, we wouldn't have administrators.

Moochie: <<Rational discussion appears to be returning to the CR>>: Which CR have YOU been reading? <<Bad Idea>>: TM? <<park a 100-lb bomb in his bedroom window>>: You think too small. <<do you have any idea exactly what you're saying?>>: Of course I do. <<How many of you stopped to think about what happened last time a superpower invaded Afghanistan>>: The last time a superpower invaded Afghanistan was in the early 80's, and everything has changed a LOT since then. Like the fact that there aren't other superpowers nearby to give us grief. <<What the Hawks be saying when the KIA counter hits 10,000? Or 20,000?>>: They'll be saying "nuke 'em!" <<The only possible way to crush Afghanistan is to annihilate the entire country, and that would do absolutely nothing to solve the problem of international terrorism>>: You don't know that. Not that I support this particular course of action, but if we nuked areas that harbored terrorists, then the terrorists might think twice before bringing raining fire down on their neighbors. <<There is no way to win a war with Afghanistan>>: You keep telling yourself that. See if it stops the Pentagon. <<why pick a fight with the government when you can simply step around them with a B2 and a cellulose 2,000-lb bomb>>: Um...that's the same thing as picking a fight. <<Why is it that a passenger can stroll into the cockpit of a modern passenger jet>>: Because little jimmy wants to see the cockpit damnit! <<Physically isolating the cockpit from the rest of the plane>>: Hmm, interesting. Seperate egress points for the crew? <<shoved a burr so far up yer butt>>: OUCH! <<losing land is one of the unpleasent side-effects of losing a ground war>>: That'll teach 'em to get involved in a land war in Asia. Everyone knows not to do that! <<this entire room has been acting like a case study in mob mentality>>: Ever see a group of windows users? <>: There's a difference between "don't say that" and "you can take your statement and shove it up your bum, because I think you're a moron". <<Ever hear what they used to do to prisoners during the Russian occupation>>: I wonder what the Russians did in retaliation, or what we'll do if that happens to our prisoners.

Galvatron: <<Wasn't Robertson the one who said God sent HIV to kill homosexuals?>>: You mean it wasn't!?

Sappy: <<call it the U.S. giving the collective finger to every terrorist who lives>>: Or we could call it the World Finger Center and make it a tech center/whorehouse.

DPH: <<Rush was saying we could have prevented with increased defense spending>>: Much as I hate to say it, he might be right. Not that I think its an appropriate response to this disaster, though.

Ravyn: <<sometimes, it is>>: So true. Good story.

Aaron: <<Or I'll carpet bomb the lot of you>>: Sweet. <<Of course, I could be biased>>: An admin isn't allowed to be biased ;-) <<God can have all the mercy he wants, but Uncle Sam seems to be fresh out>>: I left my mercy in my other pants.

Gside: <<that's the random motion of liquid (and gas) particles>>: I know. It was a joke. <<Many phrases already do not.>>: Indeed. <>: Heh. <<Not unless there's a dwarf named Ben>>: Grumpy, Dopey, Sneezy, Sleepy, Bashful, Doc, Happy...and Ben. Naw, something's not right.

YAWN! ::stretch:: Okay I'm tired. Its been a Friday. I actually DID work today (first time in nearly a year I've done work on a Friday). I'm tired and I have a long download to take care of while I sleep.

He has the intelligence of a sophomore sociology student.
-Anonymous Caller, "The Larry Elder Show"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, September 15, 2001 03:43:53 AM
IP: c852362-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com

Imzadi> <<Is that the music note that makes everyone crap their pants?>>: Nope, that's the random motion of liquid (and gas) particles.
<>: Many phrases already do not.
<<Too late, I already got there>>: I know.
<<you must be a true geek if you call it mickey mouse>>: I am, and that is why I left it in.
<> : Not unless there's a dwarf named Ben.

I think that's about all I have to add today.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, September 15, 2001 03:02:07 AM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Incidentally, SJ, I don't see how you conclude that I'm a Jew-hater. I'm defending Galvatron, not because I particularly agree with him, but because this entire room has been acting like a case study in mob mentality, and because people were ripping bloody chunks out of other people. That's something I really don't like seeing.

And whatever happened to "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"? Or has the first amendment been suspended due to international crisis? This does go back to the question of Isreal, ne'? What's wrong with debating whether or not we should continue supporting a country, when that support makes us a target? If you think we should (as I do), then explain WHY.

Aaron><<God can have all the mercy he wants, but Uncle Sam seems to be fresh out.>> So are the Afghans. Ever hear what they used to do to prisoners during the Russian occupation?
Gunjack Valentine
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:59:21 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Alright, look, everybody simmer down. Or I'll carpet bomb the lot of you.

If I remember my history correctly, the UN partitioned Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Arabs rejected this and declared war on Israel. And the outcome was... dah dah dah! Israel doubles in size, and the promise of an Arab state in Palestine goes away. Thus, I do find it a little hard to muster sympathy for the Palestinians.

(Of course, I could be biased. Check the first name to see where my loyalties lay)

Anyway, let's just try to stand together, and not take jabs at each other for the moment. So all of you jerks be nice to each other, okay. ;)

Jan> For the record, I was going to address that issue, but more important things right now, okay.

Maybe when I make that catch-up post. Assuming I ever do. It just seems kind of pointless now.

Moochie> <<God have mercy...>> God can have all the mercy he wants, but Uncle Sam seems to be fresh out.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:51:19 AM
IP: dialup-64.154.231.253.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net

Hey, all! :)

Coyote> **huggles and kisses** Great to have you back, honey. :)

Just wanted to share a few thoughts tonight...

One of my best friends has a husband who is a fire chief. He's going to New York City to help search for survivors and dig through the rubble for bodies. I can't imagine looking through the ruins of what just happened for body parts, not to mention that it's dangerous working around there. It's amazing the heroes we have working in this country every day, who will travel across the country to help out in any way they can.

I'm also proud of the patriotism I've been seeing in most Americans lately. *Very* wonderful. :) And Bush's approval rating is wonderful too...not only because I like Bush, but also because we should back any president in times like this, because he's our leader, and he'll try his best to work things out.

I'm in the category right now of those who are rather confused about what to do to the terrorists/countries who had a part in this, and declaring war, and that sort of thing...especially after I was talking to one of my history class TA's today, and he was as confused as I was, but he offered an interesting story:

When he was in the Army a few years ago, he had a buddy who had been sent to the situation in Somalia. This buddy noticed that while he saw Somalis throwing rocks (and I mean BIG rocks, with the intent of breaking bones) at American soldiers to hurt them, no one threw rocks at the Moroccan soldiers who were also there. You know why that was? Because the first time they threw rocks at the Moroccan soldiers, the Moroccans opened fire on the rock-throwers with 50-caliber machine guns. When they threw rocks at the Moroccans a second time, the soldiers once again opened fire with the machine guns. From then on, no one bothered the Moroccan troops.

Much as I'd love to say that extreme force isn't needed...well, I've been thinking ever since this story, and sometimes, it is. We just need to make sure to direct it in the right places.

Also, Michael Wright, one of the University of Arizona men's basketball players from last year, is alive and well after what happened on Tuesday. He heard the first plane crash into the WTC, and stepped outside and saw the second plane hit. Clicky on my name for more on UA basketball if you're interested. (which is probably just me and Coyote, but heck...) ;)
Ravyn
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:50:44 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

SJ><<There is a way to win a war with Afghanistan...>> How? The whole freakin' country IS a war! Or are you still thinking Genocide?
<<This won't be a bombing run. This will be a campaign...>> From Hell. God have mercy...
Gunjack Valentine
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:38:10 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

What's my anger with Galvie? For starters, I utterly loathe the fact that he posts something that, unless he's actually the total retard I really think he is, he would know would inflame somebody in the CR (odds are someone in here is of Jewish descent, and might be from / have relatives from Israel, who apparently the great demon nation of the universe), and THE BASTARD DIDN'T HAVE THE BALLS TO LEAVE HIS OWN NAME. He chose "anonymous". He didn't even have the nerve to post that crap under his real handle, at least not initially. In a week filled with cowardly acts, that ranks right up there.

And the other is the tone of his argument, and those who agree with him, namely Hyperion and Gunjack. Newsflash: Israelites didn't just kill tens of thousands of people did. Terrorists did. But this has now turned into a game of "Blame the Jew". I've been listening to the radio, and I hear the same thing. "This would never have happened if not because America is the friend of Israel." What a way to pass the buck. Okay, we side with THE ONLY country in the Middle East that has at least half a sane thought in their heads, and so now that means we get what's coming to us? If that's not the intention of your words, that's essentially the impact. Boo hoo, what me cry a f'in river that the Palestinians lost their land. They want reparations, they work things out diplomatically, but instead they pass their time by killing Jews, so don't you dare lecture me about the evils of Israel.

The point is, NONE OF THAT HAS ANY PLACE HERE, RIGHT NOW. You want to postulate as to why we just got our teeth rattled by some dumb sh!t in Afghanistan who probably wipes his ass with his hand instead of paper, that would be fine, but unfortunately *you* just can't do that without turning it into an anti-Semitic argument. Right now some very brave men and women are still digging out bodies and looking for survivors, and meanwhile you, with your great logical reasoning, are explaining how none of this would have happened if not for those pesky land-stealing Jews. That's not an appropriate argument to make right now. You want to start that debate, go on over to KKK.com and see if they have some sort of a forum for you.

Galvie: <<Ahem there is there is a difference between the Palestinian people and terrorists like Bin Laden>> Right, which is why I saw so many Palestinians, including countless children and women, dancing in the streets when they heard of the news that we just got screwed. Of course THOSE people couldn't be terrorists or anti-American.

Gunjack: You seem to have erroneously come under the impression that I'm just shocked to my core that someone could do this to America. Seeing as they did it, in a much smaller scale, in 1993 with the last WTC bombing, I'm not shocked that we're the victims of terrorism, I'm just angry about it.

There is a way to win a war with Afghanistan, I'm just afraid there are too many people who feel like you do about the whole situation. If that is the case, then yeah, we won't win one.

But we will have one, because at this point no matter how much some of you are calling for measured responses, we're going to war. Watch the TV, listen to the radio. This won't be a bombing run. This will be a campaign.

Oh, and GJ, one last thing. Who are you, Kaioto Jr.? If you don't like my language, call your girlfriend up and give her an earful, okay? I'm sure I'll be gone for good then, so my course gutter argot won't offend your sensibilities.
Sevarius Jr.
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:23:50 AM
IP: 66-44-90-111.s619.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

DPH- Are you talking about Zhaan? Cause shes dead(permanently) thanks to Crichton.
Galvatron
Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:06:33 AM
IP: 01-116.037.popsite.net

Concerning Robertson's comments: People of some faiths will say that if their entire country follows their deity(ies)'s rules, that diety or dieties will protect that country from harm.

Frankly, I am not going to comment any more than that. Every little person or group out there has their own spin on the Tuesday's events. Rush was saying we could have prevented with increased defense spending.

Checking ids for people wanting to use airplanes does not harm freedom of travel; you can still walk, swim, or glide to your destination. We have the right to free travel, but not the right to drive a car or operate an airplane.

**FARSCAPE COMMENTS**
What's going on with John? Is he going crazy or something? Where is and what is up with the blue-skinned alien? I've seen less of her in recent stories.
**END FARSCAPE COMMENT**

Climate accounts for why Southerns like cold tea and Northerns like Hot Tea? I'm taking a note to try cold tea if I ever find my way to the northeast.

Fighting the impulse to call my dad what I am thinking is . . . challenging. Wilek or anybody else: Do you have a torture device that submits a person to constant severe pain AND keeps the person from losing consciousness? I'm in the market for such a device.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, September 14, 2001 11:46:38 PM
IP: max1-11.cwy.cei.net

Gunjack> email is a 'comin ;)
Jannie
Friday, September 14, 2001 10:49:41 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Jannie - Who did THAT!?
Gunjack Valentine
Friday, September 14, 2001 10:43:01 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Gunjack> <<but when did it become acceptable to call people "DUMB fucking anti-Semitic Jew-hater" or tell them "I hope you fall into a pool of AIDS and crack your head open." in this CR? o.O >>
ohhhhdon't know, but I'm guessing around... say the time that it was allowed that someone could come in and make fun of someone's personal real life appearance and nothing was said about that? O.o
Jan
Friday, September 14, 2001 10:37:24 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Shouldn't we be capable of handling these things without an administrator stepping in? I'm sure that's just what they want to have to deal with in this crises.

From what I see, SJ needs to just stop, regroup, and look at things a bit objectively. Galvatron technically has some merit in what he's saying. Notice the words "technically" and "some." I believe his arguments were a bit out-of-place in this time of grief, but I don't really like how people have reacted to them. SJ, just excuse the lad's ill-timing and move on.

Spacebabie, I was very offended by your comment to Galvatron, and it had nothing to do with me. I hope you'll reread what you said to him, really reread it, and then realize you need to apologize to him. If someone had said that to me I might have cried.
Entity
Friday, September 14, 2001 10:05:42 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Josh - Thanks for reminding me. I owe an apology for my comments about SJ's link earlier this week. That was, indeed, not any of my business.

However, I disagree with you on two points. First, I don't currently have the ear of an admin, since she has no net connection at the moment; Lain won't be seeing this until some time tomorrow, if then. Hopefully this will have been adressed by the time she does. And second, I was appealing to the admins, not trying to act like one. If that isn't appropriate either, I'll apologize again. The point remains, however, that things are getting distinctly unfriendly in here.
Gunjack Valentine
Friday, September 14, 2001 09:39:53 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Okay Moochie, once was enough. This is twice this week. You are not an admin. You may have the ear of one, but its for the admins to decide what we're allowed to call people, not for you to remind them. I'm sure the admins are reading here and will decide what is and isn't appropriate.
Josh
Friday, September 14, 2001 09:31:45 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-199.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Admins - I know everyone's under a good bit of stress at the moment, but when did it become acceptable to call people "DUMB fucking anti-Semitic Jew-hater" or tell them "I hope you fall into a pool of AIDS and crack your head open." in this CR? o.O
Gunjack Valentine
Friday, September 14, 2001 09:16:17 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Galvatron - One other thing. I thought the palestinians were all shoved out when Isreal was created, but you said that they were deported AFTER the war. Personally, I don't think that's terribly unjust. If you're a country that's completely surrounded by adversaries, how good an idea is it to harbor a large population of hostiles? I'd agree that the exiles should recieve reperations, but losing land is one of the unpleasent side-effects of losing a ground war.
Gunjack Valentine
Friday, September 14, 2001 09:06:11 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Some random broodings.

To all you people calling for war, do you have any idea exactly what you're saying? I hear that we're gearing up for an invasion of Afghanistan. I also understand that the head of the Taliban warned his country to "prepare for a Holy War". How many of you stopped to think about what happened last time a superpower invaded Afghanistan?
Russia made that mistake back in 1980, and they ended up fighting an incredibly nasty guerrilla war for EIGHT FREAKING YEARS. They lost nearly 15,000 troops in that time, and got NOTHING in return. Let's go over this a step at a time. You have a country that's been in a perpetual state of guerrilla warfare since the 1980s. From the Soviet invasion to the present, over 1,000,000 have died in the constant fighting. Over one million people. The place is a powderkeg.
You have a country where a vast majority of the population has experience in guerrilla warfare. These people have been fighting for two decades, and by now they're used to losing friends and loved ones. Losing a few more isn't going to make them break down or give up; it's only going to make them angry. We in America aren't used to losing people. What the Hawks be saying when the KIA counter hits 10,000? Or 20,000?
And what's the goal of this little expidition? Capturing Osama? How the heck is an invasion going to accomplish THAT? And what if we beat on them for a year or so, and they still won't surrender him? I hate to sound like a broken record, but these people have been at war for TWO DECADES. They'll be only to happy to go another five or ten years with us. The only possible way to crush Afghanistan is to annihilate the entire country, and that would do absolutely nothing to solve the problem of international terrorism.

I've been looking at this for the last twenty-four hours, and I'll tell you flat out. There is no way to win a war with Afghanistan.

Hyperion><<But how will those stop this from happening again?>> Simple answer: we can't. It's going to happen again, and much worse besides. It seems like quite a few people in here just don't understand how the world works. No matter how many security precautions you take, someone will get through. People seem to be acting like this is some sort of new thing.
SJ/Crzy/Spacebabie/etc - Didn't any of you realize that this sort of thing happens EVERY DAY? I was walking to lunch last sunday and saw a newspaper article about how another isreali bus had been bombed. Didn't any of you realize that it could happen here? Did you think that mass killings only happened "over there"? Well, it's here now. And here's another reality check for you: this is only the beggining. Have any of you stopped to contemplate the fact that sooner or later, someone is going to smuggle a suitcase nuke into the heart of New York City? That, sooner or later, someone is going to get around to engineering a strain of Ebola that spreads like the flu? Terrorism isn't something you can stop, no matter how many countries you plow under. You can fight it, you can try to minimize the damage, and you can avenge the victims, but it's never going to stop.

As to Hyperion's question, here's my reply.
First, we need to eliminate the terrorist network. If we can clean out the majority of the community, that'll give us a little time. ANYONE who directly funds or supplies terrorists should be eliminated. Governments who harbor them should NOT be targeted; why pick a fight with the government when you can simply step around them with a B2 and a cellulose 2,000-lb bomb?
Second, we need to KEEP the community cleaned out. Currently, all of the world's counter-terror forces are reactive; they wait until terrorists attack, and then move in. That needs to change. As vicious as it sounds, we need to stop worrying about extriditing people or biulding court cases and start simply wasting them. And let's do it discretely, and with a minimum of mess; that way, the people on the recieving end can never be sure exactly what happened. It needs to be a shadow war.
And finally, We need to harden our infrastructure. Why is it that a passenger can stroll into the cockpit of a modern passenger jet? Physically isolating the cockpit from the rest of the plane when designing aircraft would do more to prevent this from happening again than all the bombs we could drop. We need to think in terms of security when we biuld cities, design cars, whatever. Maybe then we'll get a little security back.

SJ/Spacebabie - What exactly DID Galvatron say that shoved a burr so far up yer butt? You act like he called for a second holocaust. As it happens, he seems to have given a fairly accurate picture of the events involved. Look at the rage you've been venting in here for the last week. Imagine if you had absolutely NO CHANCE of military victory against the people who caused that rage... But you could still hurt them through terrorism. People resort to flying planes into biuldings because they have no other way to get what is ultimately important to them. Personally, I can understand that completely; I can think of a few political situations where I'd be willing to fly a jetliner into a crowded building.
Does that mean I think the terrorists' actions were excusable? Not even a little. What they did was terrible. It was not, however, all that strange. The same sort of thing has happened before, and the same sort of thing (and worse) will happen again. The important thing is to do everything we can to prevent it.
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton]
Friday, September 14, 2001 08:58:49 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

SJ- <<But wait, you seem to love Arafat, murderer of Israelites that he is, so maybe all this talk of killing terrorists hits you close to home.>> When did that idiot Arafat become the whole Palestinian people?

<<Well, you just proved to me that not only are you an fucking anti-Semitic Jew-hater>> And where did I say I hate the Jews? I just said I supported the Palestinians cause for getting back more land (since it was theirs for most of the last 1000 or so years) and how you equate it to hating the jews is beyond my comprehension.

Spacebabie- Ahem there is there is a difference between the Palestinian people and terrorists like Bin Laden though you may think that Palestinian=Terrorist.
Galvatron
Friday, September 14, 2001 08:57:00 PM
IP: 01-135.037.popsite.net

Gunjack> I agree with you totally. Unfortunately, I'm not the one you have to convince... I wholeheartedly believe that a quick surgical strike is the best way to go. And in our case, I would call it a declared war on a political entity.
But at what point does the war end? What is our final objective? When can we say "We are finished, we are victorious"? In WWII it was "Unconditional surrender of the Axis" in the Gulf it was "Remove invading forces from Kuwait" in Vietnam it was...well Vietnam was just a "police action" similar to Somalia.
Look, all I'm saying, amid all this bloodlust, is: what is the big picture. Suppose we have bin Laden dangling by his wrists from the UN building with has skin painfully ripped off. then what? Do you think that ends terrorism? Suppose that every leader of every terrorist group worldwide is hanging next to him...is that then end of terrorism?
So far, beyond a vigorous debate of how we're going to kill bin Laden and how many Afghans will die, there is no talk about the next step.
So I ask the entire CR, what is it that you want? How to you intend to accomplish it and how will that promise the security of the US, assuming that is the goal.
I mean, revenge is fairly self-explanatory, bomb a whole bunch of towelheads. Justice (whatever is meant by that) is equally self-explanatory, bring the perpetrators to be tried and jailed/executed. But how will those stop this from happening again? If we operate under the assumption that the goal of the "War on Terror" is to somehow bolster the security of the US and it's allies, I'm curious to know how you would go about doing it. Bombing? Assassination? Embargo? What?
That's all, guys. No more than two pages, single spaced in the color of your choice. Due in one week.

********************
"Never get the easy ones, do we?"
"Where would the fun be in that?"
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Friday, September 14, 2001 07:43:13 PM
IP: pool-151-197-31-149.phil.east.verizon.net

I heard about the Falwell thing on the radio this morning and couldn't believe my ears. No, I _could_, which was the sad thing. It didn't surprise me at all they'd be so amazingly callous and just plain (pardon the language) shitheaded. And then some clown called in to protest the DJs ranting about it. They read him the riot act and hung up on him, I'm glad to say.

In happier news, after another sterling example of tolerance and sensitivity was arrested for a drunken arson attempt on a local mosque, dozens of people have stopped by the same mosque with flowers, balloons, and apologies. Becca and I are planning to be in on the candlelighting tonight at 7 (our time; I guess it's already happened for our east-coast folk).

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, September 14, 2001 07:38:15 PM
IP: 15-138.075.popsite.net

Sorry for the second post but I ment Galvitron. aka the anonymous-sick-minded-terrorist-sympathizer-and-hater-of-America.

Yes I'm the Good cop, SJ is the bad cop.
Spacebabie
Friday, September 14, 2001 06:49:35 PM
IP: proxy.lga.netsetter.com

Aaron>>LOL that gave me a good chuckle, maybe they should rebuild the towers to look like that

Galvirton>>>Wait you actually admit that you sympathize with the terrorists? and you thik their cause is legit?::Rubs temples:: Ok May I ask you one question

did you enjoy the fact that they destoyd the towers? Did you cheer and dance in the street like they did over there?

If so then please leave the comment room. I don't think even Lain will tolerate you and she has the highest tolerance level here.
Spacebabie
Friday, September 14, 2001 06:47:12 PM
IP: proxy.lga.netsetter.com

<<If so perhaps I should be killed as SJ said for sympathizing with them?>> Well, you just proved to me that not only are you an fucking anti-Semitic Jew-hater, but you're a DUMB fucking anti-Semitic Jew-hater. I never said kill the sympathizers. I just said utterly destroy the countries that harbor the terrorists. But wait, you seem to love Arafat, murderer of Israelites that he is, so maybe all this talk of killing terrorists hits you close to home.

I bet you probably thought Hitler started off a pretty good guy, he just went a little too far.

I don't know if Robertson said that about HIV, but to paraphrase one of my favorite NYC comedians, "I hope you fall into a pool of AIDS and crack your head open."
Sevarius Jr.
Friday, September 14, 2001 06:29:30 PM
IP: 66-44-66-95.s95.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Aaron, re: NY Skyline picture:

Well, you could always put some sort of positive spin on it ... call it the U.S. giving the collective finger to every terrorist who lives. (This one's for you, Osama.)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, September 14, 2001 06:29:27 PM
IP: 64.243.214.29

Well, I'm afraid that I can't say that I'm too surprised by what Falwell and Robertson said. Truth to tell, I have an uneasy suspicion that there's also at least one conspiracy theorist, somewhere out there, who'll claim that the federal government was the one really behind the hijacking and subsequent plane crashes, as part of some dastardly scheme to panic the American public into letting them turn the U.S. into a totalitarian dictatorship in the name of "security". (I know that there were a few who said just that about the Oklahoma City bombing).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, September 14, 2001 06:15:41 PM
IP: sdn-ar-002mosloup181.dialsprint.net

Gunjack> You would really be satisfied with a news broadcast that reports that a bomb successfully took out Bin Laden and that our country's retribution is now at an official close?

I wouldn't.

I want Bin Laden captured. Alive. I want his whole life, his whole organization, destroyed before his eyes. Every last member, associate, or contributer dead. Then I want him to be publically executed. Not in the United States, but over there, amongst his people, his harborers. They will cheer his death on, spit at his feet, slander his name -- every last Muslim.

I want it broadcasted all over the world, so that -- more than Neil Armstrong's walk on the moon -- every last person on the planet witnesses it, remembers it, feels cleansed by it.

And I want Afghanistan to tremble in fear, desperately hoping that we're sated enough.
Entity
Friday, September 14, 2001 06:10:01 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Spacebabie- I'm curious why is it anti-semitic? Was it because I was sympathizing with the Palestinians whose cause is legitimate? If so perhaps I should be killed as SJ said for sympathizing with them?

Gside- Yeah except I think claims to property expires after a millenium or so.

Robertson- Wasn't Robertson the one who said God sent HIV to kill homosexuals?
Galvatron
Friday, September 14, 2001 05:22:07 PM
IP: 01-062.037.popsite.net

Amazing. Rational discussion appears to be returning to the CR.

Hyperion - I agree with you that the military eradication of countries is a Bad Idea. However, I'd put forward that we DO need to use force against terrorists. There's a large and well-connected terrorist network left over from the bad old days of the Cold War, ne'? We need to eliminate that network. We don't have to plow the entire middle east under; we just need to pick off the bad apples. On the other hand, low-intensity warfare against terrorists is what you just condemned Isreal for doing.
Personally, I think we should round up and permanently jail all the terrorists in our allies' countries, and then send in SpecOps to take out the ones we can't get our hands on.

Which is better? To invade Afghanistan with conventional forces and try to beat an entire country of guerrilla warriors, or to simply figure out where Bin Laden is, and park a 100-lb bomb in his bedroom window? I'd vastly prefer the second method. So do we call it terrorism, or do we call it preserving life?
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 14, 2001 05:13:39 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

I was going to make a longer post, but Hell with it.

Check out the link above. I don't know about you, but I like it.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, September 14, 2001 04:36:35 PM
IP: 209.33.140.100

Well there is not much I can add to what has already been said. I guess the hardest thing is to keep things in perspective that this is real and not at SJ put it Hollywood running out of ideas. I just hope that the black boxes will shed more light on who may have been responsable.

I'm going to a movie tonight so maybe that will lighten up this week's gloom.

"Stuff's getting better, stuff's getting better everyday."
-The Postman-

(I found this to be appropriate)

Later

Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Friday, September 14, 2001 03:20:17 PM
IP: dynamic-129-120-247-34.dynamic.unt.edu

Entity> You are, of course, correct. That *was* unfair. However it's also the attitude that I have seen a disturbing number of people taking in the past few days. I am all for retaliation, but not a blanket condemnation of everyone in the Middle East, and quite frankly, I'd getting damned tired of hearing how we should plow under Afghanistan or any other country that is primarily desert.
As for the other point, we have been supporting Israel for several decades now and we are single-handedly responsible for its military might. Every attack that Israel carries out on Palestine is with American equipment. Including assassinating PLO members with rocket fire from Cobra attack helicopters. Now, you can call that "warfare" or "police action" if you want, but look at it from an Palestinian point of view. Forgetting all the religious and jihad talk for a minute. You're walking down the street and an attack helicopter flies in and unleashes three to five rockets into a car in the middle of the street, killing the occupant and a few people around. What if some power did that to us our one of our allies? It could very easily be construed as state-sponsered murder or even terrorism. We don't call it that because he have an interest in Israel.
Note: Israel would not exist if not for the vast quantity of US foreign aid.
The whole situation of extreme and immediate response is so exemplified in the Middle East. The PLO bombs a marketplace, Israel shells a town, or cracks down on Palestine travel...or half a dozen other things. It hasn't stopped them. What makes anyone thing that destroying the Afghans will stop terrorism?
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Friday, September 14, 2001 02:23:04 PM
IP: pool-151-197-32-4.phil.east.verizon.net

Falwell and Robertson> No one actually views these people, or the Christian Right and its sister organizations for that matter, as reputable representatives of Christianity. Why are you letting their small-minded statements to get to you guys?

Hyperion> <<<Oh wait...never mind, I know...we go in a bomb them all, every one that worships Allah.>>> That is so unfair and you bloody know it. No one is targeting the Islamic religion. We're targeting the not-so-easily-dismissed faction that skews their own beliefs to where they believe Allah wants them to kill people. As for the U.S. being viewed as Bin Laden over there, that's an interesting assessment, taken that in recent years (prior to tuesday), hundreds of Americans have died in terrorist attacks, and we've done essentially NOTHING. Yeah, we're ruthless all right.

What we HAVE done is attempt to establish peace in that region. We may have made a few mistakes, but would it have been better if we'd never intervened? The actions of our government may be questioned, but it all becomes pretty ironic when they've got "leaders" like Arafat and Saddam over there. What if they had the power that our Presidents have at their fingertips? I shudder to think.
Entity
Friday, September 14, 2001 01:57:31 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

SJ> I think that Falwell and Robertson are a few fries short of a Happy Meal. I hope that people won't judge Christians based on what these 2 men have said.
I can actually understand where they are coming from in a twisted theological sense - but I certainly don't agree with them.

Josh> good comeback with your mom concerning the 2 cars ;) She may have yelled but $10 says it hit a guilt nerve with her. hehe Keep turning the tables on her *nods*

Fluer> awww =( *hugs* I'm really sorry about your grandmother. I hope that you are doing a bit better now.

Patrick> *chuckles* nnnnoooo they don't do that! The Red Cross provides more than just blood - so those people who apply for assistance are subject to a credit check or means of paying the "favor" back. Charging the hospitals for blood and then the hospital charges the patient for the blood... same thing... you pay for the "donated" blood. As I said earlier, I'm not saying it's wrong to charge, I was only pointing out that they do charge - but give the appearance that they don't. *shrugs*

It sounds as we are one or two steps closer to an actual war. Pakistan has vowed to help the United States even though it has shown sympathy in the past for bin Laden and the Taliban. Support for U.S. retaliation has come from around the world, including the U.N. Security Council and NATO allies. The only problem right now is that we've seem to have "lost" bin Laden. O.o
Of course, clerics with the ruling Taliban on Friday urged Muslims around the world to unite against America. *shrugs* blow them to smithereans too. Problem solved.
Bush currently has an 80% favor rating right now. Go Bush!

Jan
Friday, September 14, 2001 11:39:08 AM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Well...why shouldn't we sympathize with the Palistianians...or any of the other couple million Muslims that and absolutely nothing to do with this?
To put is simply, we, the US is viewed by most Arab nations as a supporter of terrorism. Why? Well, it has something to do with our continued support of Israel, which was formed after WWII and involved taking a good chuck of land away from the Palistiains...re-read Galvatron's post for full details.
Bottom line, our actions ins the Middle East, especially Israel/ Palestine make us look like bin Laden to those people. the Israelis have treated the Palestinians like dirt for years. How exactly would you react of a foreign power that you couldn't fight bombed your buildings? Killed your civilians? Oh wait...never mind, I know...we go in a bomb them all, every one that worships Allah.
Hrm...
No, I'm not condoning those that did this, but I am getting tired of these constant calls for eradication of this or that country. the next time someone says that we shouldn't give in to hate, I think I'm going to laugh, and then punch them for stupidity.
This fight won't be won through force, I don't think. Most of these terrorist groups feel that they have very little left to loose. and after you've carpet bombed their nation, how surprised would you be if they chose to smuggle in a small nuclear device? Or anthrax?
There are to options, 1) diplomacy
2) utterly destroy the following nations: Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Palestine, and for good measure, employ punitive measure against Russia and China for their support of terrorists.
hm...kind of long list. I can't image that we'll have too many friends once that's over. But then again, I suppose the security of our nation is worth any cost, and any number of deaths.
hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Friday, September 14, 2001 11:19:43 AM
IP: pool-151-197-112-37.phil.east.verizon.net

Hey guys guess what? Gabrielle is strolling through the state, and by Gabrielle I'm refering to the tropical storm.

Saw something wierd yesterday. In the newspaper there was a pciture of the impact of the plane, or it could have been one of the towers collasping, but some people ee in the smoke and dust and image ofthe devil.

Sj>>>Oh my Gawd what kind of sick bastards are they.

Galvitron>>Your post was inapropriate because it was filled with an antijew theme, it makes it lool like YOU are sympathizing withe the Palestinians, and it was posted after the trajedy that occured. also because like Josh said you didn't put your name down.
Spacebabie
Friday, September 14, 2001 10:57:15 AM
IP: proxy.iad4.netsetter.com

WOW. Even three days after all of this, I still think, "Well, that's it, there's nothing left to surprise or disgust me". And I'm wrong EVERY time. It's amazing.

You know how I've said, a lot during the past few days, that "this is the sickest thing I've ever heard"? Well, it wasn't. There's a new champion.

Some religious background on me: I was raised a Southern Baptist. I believe in a God, namely the Judeo-Christian one. I consider myself a Christian, just not a terribly good one. So the righteous anger that fills me from the comments I'm going to print below is because these two douche bags profess to be not only Christians themselves, but Christian spokespeople, when in fact I believe they are neither.

Get your vomit bags out. This sickening display of evil and hatred brought to you by those great moral leaders of our time, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

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From the Washington Post: "God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says" by John F. Harris

Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."

Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."

Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "

People for the American Way transcribed the broadcast and denounced the comments as running directly counter to President Bush's call for national unity. Ralph G. Neas, the liberal group's president, called the remarks "absolutely inappropriate and irresponsible."

Robertson and others on the religious right gave critical backing to Bush last year when he was battling for the GOP presidential nomination. A White House official called the remarks "inappropriate" and added, "The president does not share those views."

Falwell was unrepentant, saying in an interview that he was "making a theological statement, not a legal statement."

"I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist," he said. But he said America's "secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture . . . the result is not good."

Robertson was not available for comment, a spokeswoman said. But she released a statement echoing the remarks he made on his show. An ACLU spokeswoman said the group "will not dignify the Falwell-Robertson remarks with a comment."

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Okay, just a quick CR poll --- they're going to hell, right? Yeah, I thought so too.

Sevarius Jr.
Friday, September 14, 2001 10:25:07 AM
IP: 66-44-66-95.s95.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

SJ> <G.I. Joe #1> what I find kinda funny and ironic about this comic is the fact that it came out to the comic book stores the day after the terrorist attacks. and G.I. Joe is basicly an anti-terrorist organzation fighting the terrorist group Cobra. so I wouldnt be surprised if that one does a little better towards issues being bought.....
Gavin
Friday, September 14, 2001 10:04:06 AM
IP: dh171.scarlett.mtsu.edu

SJ> I hope I was counted among those people you called pussies. I did say that we should obliderate those who are harboring these terrorists, and those who support them.

The two blackboxes in the plane that hit the Pentagon were found.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, September 14, 2001 09:15:31 AM
IP: dialup-209.246.82.108.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

Public Service Announcement: If you do decide to give money to any charitable orgainization becareful how you contribute. Scammers are hard at work taking advantage of the current tragedy. Sick SOBs. The attached link is an article from Computer World with more details.
This address: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/
has a list of the many legitimate charitable organizations collecting money.
kathy
Friday, September 14, 2001 08:07:09 AM
IP: client114026.atl.mediaone.net

Sorry about taking up so much room *cringe* It wasn't an e-mail either, my mom sent me the link to our local newspaper, and the column was actually published all over the place. Yeah, the people of faith part bugged me too, but overall I was very impressed with his words. Okay, gotta get ready for my stupid morning class!
Siofra
MI
Friday, September 14, 2001 07:49:41 AM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Somehow I just can't picture that the Red Cross reps come out and stand over people laying dying in the street, asking for SNNs and running credit checks before rendering assistance. The modern world is a messed up place, but I'd think if that bit of calousness were true we'd have all heard about it long ago. From what I read in the newspaper this morning, though, The Red Cross _does_ sell blood to hospitals, and we all know that hospitals in this country send out bills afterward for their services. But supposedly this "blank check" Pres. Bush has gotten from Congress is partly to help pay for stuff like this.

News update - Reports of possibly up to ten people arrested at NY airports late last night, trying to gain access with fake IDs. Reportedly, some were carrying open passes to flights on September 11, and one of the arrested was allegedly even dressed as a pilot. It sounds like the FBI may have a nice catch of other potential terrorists from this same group before long. Let's hope their interogation leads to some diffinitive leads. "You have the right to have an attorney present during questioning" - it makes me wonder what defense lawyer here would even want to represent them.
Patrick Toman
Friday, September 14, 2001 07:17:48 AM
IP: ac953458.ipt.aol.com

STOP POSTING YOUR EMAILS! No one wants to see the spam clogging up your mailboxes. if you want to post it elsewhere and give us a link, fine. But we don't need to read your emails. This CR is taking long enough to load as is.

Hey folks,

Interesting day today to say the least. First, I skipped math class. My roommate was up late last night and didn't want to go, and far be it from me to sit through the 1.5 hour lecture if he's not going to. Besides, it was just more on vectors, and I've re-learned vectors twice a year for the last 5 or 6 years. I dream in vectors. Its enough already. Thank god this will be the last time.

The first thing I went to today was office hours for my fluid mechanics class, where I got some pointers on the homework problems I hadn't figured out. It was really helpful, but I had to completely re-do my work so that it'd be neat enough to grade. I have a tendency to really cram work in the first time around.

Then it was off to my MechE lecture, which was totally boring. The prof spent the first 15 minutes of class photographing everyone with his digital camera so he could learn our names. I really don't have much patience for this class since its a review of the second half of mechanics.

Then back to more office hours to pick up a few more pointers on both fluids homework and mechE homework.

Then I came home and redid those two assignments so they were neat and legible.

After dinner I watched a couple movies (X-men and Trading Places - the version with swearing and nudity) and that's about it.

Oh yeah, I confronted my parents. I was able to extract an IOU from my mother for the laptop, but apparently she didn't feel too guilty about stealing from me since I just bought myself a shiny new dual-800 G4 tower. What right that gives her is beyond me, but far be it from me to understand the logic of women. Dad's logic I understand: "I'm a cheap bastard and I already have the laptop so I'm not giving you the money".

My mom made several outrageous claims, like that I had no clue what it meant that half the family's income was gone (my mom is still out of work), or that I wasn't prepared for any financial impact that the family's situation would have (um, excuse me, I bought that computer AFTER putting aside money for retirement AND money to feed myself all year long...I made quite a sum this summer, thankyouverymuch).

Then she yelled at me for saying that maybe if they weren't doing so hot they shouldn't be doing things like driving a pair of german sports cars while trying to purchase new laptops. "how dare you tell me what I can and can't afford" she said.

Then, she said that she would send me back the laptop if it was so critical "for me to deprive her of it" (catch that extra guilt tripping?). Of course, I don't want the laptop back, especially now that the fan's not working. I want my money. So I let her keep it.

I'm not coming home until I've seen my money sitting in my account. I may be a greedy bastard, but I'm sure as hell not letting people who claim to love me cheat me and steal from me.

I don't have a clue what blood type I have, even if I could donate. I also don't understand why some hippy hasn't set up a donation center on campus.

Anyway, on to replies!

Patrick: <<some twisted little person could think of nothing better to do in the immediate wake of the attack than to sit down and write up four lines that read kinda like a Nostradamus quatrain>>: Shoot him.

Oracle: <<doofy>>: Doofy!? How dare you call me that! ;-)

Mandolin: <<Seems that sentiment is already manifesting in violence here>>: Are you surprised?

Sevarius, Jr: <<I'm totally with Josh on this one (surprised?>>: Yes, I'm shocked. How can you possibly agree with that self-righteous bastard? <<"Goliath's way" died the minute those towers fell>>: Perhaps, or perhaps it would be that level of blind compassion that saves us. Either way, I'm tired of hearing his name invoked. <<We are now in the cold retribution age of Demona>>: Lets try and do it with a bit more intelligence though. <<I'm calling for both>>: I just like watching things get carpet bombed, don't you? <<It's an easy solution. You obliterate both>>: I agree. We should. <<Time to get serious, get extreme, and wipe out all of these terrorist-harboring countries>>: Time to watch green tracer bullets on TV. <<Some of you seem shocked by my words>>: Not really. Didn't *I* write this speech? <<Don't you know me by know>>: Better than you know yourself, I might say. <<I'm a REPUBLICAN. I have no problem killing a LOT of people>>: Boy does THAT sound familiar. <<watch the conservative destroy an entire country and not lose any sleep>>: Its amazing, many people have so much trouble believe that you/I/we could be that cold. Yet we have no problems doing it. <<I'm working on getting some levity back into my posts>>: Thank Allah...er, God ;-) <<WTC rubble on Ebay>>: Now that's just sick. <>: LOL. <<makes me giggle. Like a schoolgirl>>: I just got the MOST horrible image... <<Didn't he predict that Ron Jeremy was the Antichrist>>: You mean he's not!? <>: But he was sleeping with Demona! <<comics>>: Uh, that was random. What prompted you to do all that?

Entity: <<will allow us to basically retaliate/attack whoever we want with the full support of the member nations>>: After an investigation that concludes they supported the attacks, right!? I mean, we can't just arbitarily go to war with Canada, can we? <<what would be more appropriate is a response on behalf of the U.N.>>: Those peace-lovin' hippies won't do any such thing. <<after kneeing the most powerful nation on Earth in the shins when it was asleep>>: The balls, I think. <<Who will watch on TV whatever carnage we wreak on those responsible with cold eyes?>>: I will, but I watch everything with cold eyes. <<These were brought to you by Parralels 'R' Us, a subsidiary of Wit-and-Mayhem>>: LOL.

Moochie: <<Coulda fooled me>>: Our CULTURE did not breed that. No one told them that they'd go to heaven for their beliefs. In fact, if SJ believes that he'll go to hell for his beliefs, then so be it. I don't presume to know what GB thinks, as I don't really think that anyone who calls himself a god-fearing person could say that, but whatever. <<Could you define "blood for blood" for me?>>: Are you telling me that bible-boy doesn't understand the "eye for an eye" concept!?

CrzyDemona: <<How about THIS Gargoyles quote>>: LOL brilliant! <<My O+ husband was in hot demand though>>: But you already knew that, didn't you ;-)

Greg X: <<There will be blood for blood>>: Lets just hope its not more New Yorkers. <<We destroy all Terrorists, those behind this, those who seek to take advantage of this, any one who unprovokingly targets civilians, those who harbor them, those who support them>>: And a partridge in a pear tree... <>: And cut out his heart with a spoon, if he's even got one. <>: Knock out the whole damn country, then we can stop wasting gas flying over the 32nd and 34th parallels and enforcing that no fly zone. Also, there is great irony that WE PUT HIM THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Queen of Pain: <<God may forgive you, but we won't." John Mcain to all terrorists>>: Good line.

Aaron: <<We will find the people who planned this, the people who executed it, the ones that didn't kamikazi themselves, those who trained them, those put up the money, anyone who knowingly helped cause this, in any way, however small>>: And then we'll throw a really big party.

Siryn: <<22 actually...my birthday was about 2 weeks ago>>: Close enough. <<Again, a reference>>; I know. I was joking. <<There are terrorist 'schools' in the US right now>>: Really? Which ones would you be referring to? <<once upon a time...each and everyone of us was an immigrant to this country>>: Yes, but your average redneck can't tell once you've lost your accent and your skin color.

Mara: <>: What's amazing is not only that you can, but that it can be where its needed in just a few hours.

Carolynn: <<he line was out the door and apparently they ran out of blood bags and they said they have enough for three weeks>>: Wow. That's a lot of donated blood. <<it's difficult to tell in chat-room form whether or not something's meant as a joke>>: I disagree. I have no trouble, and none of the people who post regularly/know me have any trouble telling when I'm joking in CR. I usually AM joking, just for future reference. <<a March Against Terrorist Hate>>: Great. What exactly will THAT accomplish?

Jan: <<they CHARGE the victims for their services>>: I didn't know that. It sucks. But I'd rather donate to a cause that was well-equipped and effective. <<if you don't have money or the credit - no assistance for you>>: You'd swear I was running the whole outfit ;-)

Sappy: Welcome back! Glad you finally found a place, hope its nice. <<then take a break long enough to haul @$$ to the gas station before the pump-jockeys jack up the prices by six bucks so that you have to take out a second mortgage to fill up>>: You'll be thrilled to know that I have not yet found a way to take advantage of people through this tragedy. Yet. <<Please don't rip our country a new one?>>: It'll be THREE by the time we're done with them.

Frodo: <>: Obviously you underestimate the effect that explosions have on stress relief.

Siofra: <<we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God>>: I don't understand why this found its way into the email. Does he think less of people who don't believe in god? Well f*ck him. I'm just as strong as any monotheist, if not more so because I have to put with anti-atheist crap. Otherwise, I like the threats implied by the email. They sound elegant yet real.

DPH: <<Either yahoo is a experiencing a technical crisis or everybody is bombarding yahoo groups with messages about the current situation.>>: I'd bet on both.

Galvatron: <<Just curious what exactly was wrong about my post>>: The fact that it was labelled "anonymous".

Spot: <<Grandmother>>: feel better. I've never lost a loved one, so I can't even begin to imagine what you're going through.

Gside: <<brownian motion>>: Is that the music note that makes everyone crap their pants? <<when everything calms down, is anyone going to de-sane-itize the new people>>: We'll have forgotten. <<and you know they will. Allegedly the steel melted>>: My materials mechanics professor just sent an email composed of 5 articles about possible causes of the collapse. <<Being more gentle than one should>>: I figured that, but I was referring to the actual phrase making no sense. <<2Mickey Mouse (aka H2O>>: Too late, I already got there. Also, you must be a true geek if you call it mickey mouse. <<It's all about the dwarves>>: I thought it was all about the Benjamins. Or is it the Pentiums? Nah, can't be the pentiums...

Okay folks, I've got class in 10 hours. Time to crash.

I got a good night's sleep. That's a euphamism for 'I didn't get any work done this week.'
- Roy Yates

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, September 14, 2001 03:22:52 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-199.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

DPH> <<Why Northerns like hot tea?>>: Because more brownian motion makes the essences (esthers, I believe) from the tea diffuse faster, and it took a while to cool, so they decided to try it hot, and thought it tased pretty good. That, and a different climate helps.

Carolynn> <<You go to Rutgers>>: Yup. According to my email address, web accounts, and IP.
<<opted for Drew U>>: Ah. New someone who went there. Graduated by now. You get freeish laptops, right?
<<Sorry, just random weirdness rant>>: Don't worry. Hey, when everything calms down, is anyone going to de-sane-itize the new people?

Imzadi> <<All I want to do in my civil engineering classes is discuss this disaster from an engineering point of view>>: Oh, and you know they will. Allegedly the steel melted.
<<What the hell is molly-coddling?>>: Being more gentle than one should.

DPH> <<2 + 1 = 2>>: 2O2+1H2->2Mickey Mouse (aka H2O)

Welcome back Coyote.

Imzadi> <<Frodomania runnin' wild, brutha>>: It's all about the dwarves. They were the engineers, after all.

Galvatron> <<Is it not true? The Palestinians were forced out>>: As were just about everyone who has lived in the area.

Best wishes for all, as all seem to need them.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Friday, September 14, 2001 01:17:20 AM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

*creeps in*

Hey guys.
I just got back from my grandmother's funeral. I spoke, read a poem that I wrote yesterday. I tried to be a comfort for my mother when I could barely hold it together myself. I bawled my eyes out, I'm crying right now, in fact, but the tears aren't making it any easier. I can't believe how hard it was.
If it's any comfort to anybody, at the funeral for an 85 year old woman who'd never even been to America, the minister prayed for you.
I feel like crap. This is grief, for a woman who lived a long life, and for whom death was almost a blessing. But it hurts like hell. I can't fathom how the loved ones of the dead are feeling right now.

This little broken heart sends her love to the thousands of other broken hearts.
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 14, 2001 12:28:51 AM
IP: proxy1.mel.pacific.net.au

Try this webpage,www.artbell.com

This picture is heartbreaking.
Tim
Friday, September 14, 2001 12:24:43 AM
IP: wsc00113.wsc.edu

Click on to my name. This picture is heartbreaking.
Tim
Friday, September 14, 2001 12:23:14 AM
IP: wsc00113.wsc.edu

SJ- Just curious what exactly was wrong about my post? Is it not true? The Palestinians were forced out.
Galvatron
Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:58:38 PM
IP: 01-198.037.popsite.net

Hey, Jan- I thought we had settled this with the e-mails. Why, if you thought it appropriate to discuss privately in the first place, do you now decide to drag it into the open?
Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
MI
Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:36:00 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Siofra> <<Some things are worth the money Jan...>> d'uh, Siofra
*re-reads my comments concerning the Red Cross* nope, I didn't say it... Did I say that they shouldn't charge? Did I say that people should not contribute to the Red Cross? Did I say that the cost was more important than the services provided? Nope. I only pointed out that I know of the Red Cross to charge for their services. I took your comment as an implication that I only care about the cost of these services and not for what they provide. You are so very wrong.

Coyote> Welcome back, my friend! *hugs* Good to see you and it will be good to see Rayvn smiling again ;)
Gas pump jockeys: I've noticed that alot of the state officials have come out and warned the gas stations. They have a toll free number here now to call if a gas station raises their prices too much. The gas here went down 10cents over night ;)

DPH> I keep forgetting... I noticed your 1+1=2 last week, but I thought it was a trick equation or something. *L* Glad to hear that you are getting the medical attention for your back, I hope that you have a very speedy recovery :) I'm still too nervous and skeptical about going to a chiropractor for my back problems.

Frodo> thank you for your kind words :) Naw, don't worry... no one here will blow up anything - unless it's a bad science experiment gone bad or an misbehaving DC ;)

Mara> I'm really sorry for what you and Greg B and others who live in NYC have had to go thru. As much as it has effected all Americans, it's even more of a violation to New Yorkers. It was _your_ city and state that is an even deeper level of fear and grief. I have noticed that the "reputation/stereotype" (please don't take that as an insult!) that New Yorkers have has been shown otherwise since Tuesday. It warms the heart and brings tears to my eyes to see your city ban together as it has to help each other. *hugs*
Jan
Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:30:27 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Part two!!

Right now, though, I'm going to step away from all of this tragedy right now and talk about something else. To get my mind, and maybe someone else's if they choose to read it, off of this mess for a little while. I'm gonna review some comics, cause I love comics, and I'd rather read about badass Canadian Wolverine than watch planes collide with buildings. So here I go.

****SJ's COMICS REVIEW****

X-TREME X-MEN #5 (Marvel Comics) Writer: Chris Claremont Artist: Salvador Larrocca
Here's the ridiculously complex back story: X-Men Storm, Rogue, Thunderbird (the new one), Bishop, Beast, Psylocke, and Sage (who used to be known as Tessa, but that's even more complicated) are looking for the Lost Diaries of Destiny. Destiny was a mutant whose power was that she could forsee the future, so she wrote a bunch of books about it, her "diaries". These diaries fortell the events of the future, so that makes them VERY IMPORTANT, capital letters. So this group of X-Men sets off to find the diaries. Naturally, when looking for diaries of this importance, what's the first thing you do? Yep, you take a vacation in Spain. That's what they do. While their, the Spanish military attacks them, because they're, well, mutants, and imprison them, but they escape, but then a mysterious man named Vargas shows up while some of the X-Men are off doing other things. And he kills Psylocke. I shed endless tears, note sarcasm. He also beats the hell out of Beast, which is the reason why Beast left this series, and not because in fact Grant Morrison was having a hissy fit that the character wasn't in his book "New X-Men". So the X-Men are upset, and then Gambit shows up, and he confronts Vargas, and the two don't fight, for some reason. Did I mention that Vargas just happens to have one of the Destiny diaries? Smell the coincidence. That's where we are up until this point. Don't you just love X-Men continuity?
The book starts with the X-Treme team learning of the annihilation of the island of Genosha (see the last two issues of "New X-Men"). We find out that - Surprise! - this was predicted by the Destiny Diary in the group's possession. Then Rogue and Storm argue some, cause Storm knew that Xavier was gonna out himself to the world (he's just admitted that he was a mutant, and not that he's in love with Scott Summers. I guess even young upstart Joe Quesada isn't ready for that plotline yet). Sage then informs the team that Gambit is suspected in the death of a crime lord in Australia. So the gang heads to Australia, where Bishop portrays a cop to get info on Gambit's crime. They visit the crime lord's home, the scene of the crime, looking for clues as to what happened. Some of them, like Bishop, think Gambit may have done the crime. Rogue gets pissed, she runs off. In Sydney, we see a couple Chinese triad lords talking about taking over the crime lord's territory as Gambit looks on. In the same bar / dance club, Rogue enters the bar and meets up with Gambit, they start asking questions they shouldn't, the bartender flips a switch that neutralizes their mutant powers, and the fight is on. When the guns come out, the two run, into the back room where one of the crime lords now lays dead, with Gambit's playing card by the body (a frame job! How original!). Some dude named "Red Lotus" shows up and takes out Gambit with one kick, then polishes off Rogue (with a hurricanrana!!!). Our final page shows the surviving crime lord telling Lotus to back off the fallen heroes, as he will have time for vengeance later.
Now for the editorial. Chris Claremont��well, he's given us some of the best X-Men stories ever. The entire Dark Phoenix saga�..classic stuff. But whoever let him ever write another X-Men book is crazy.
Claremont is just awful now. I mean it. He's horrible. His recent run on the main X-Men books was NOT well received by the fans, and with good reason. Claremont's writing style of the X-Men is the biggest reason NOT to read an X-book at all. His stories and characters read like something out of Dragonball Z, and NOT in a good way. The typical Claremont plot, as he is now, runs like this: X-Men are doing something unimportant (don't even get me started on his last X-Men run. One of the X-Men was missing, presumed dead, and what did the team do? They WENT ON VACATION instead of looking for her), something bad happens to them, they beat the hell out of their attackers in short order until there's a big surprise enemy that pummels them. Then, of course, they rally and take the bad guy out, again in short order. It's like the plot to every DBZ show, in comic form, and it SUCKS. The X-Men he writes are so unfreakin realistic. First off, you know that whole "We're poor, discriminated mutants" act? Doesn't work anymore. Stan Lee wrote some great stuff dealing with anti-mutant discrimination. It's sickening to see Chris write about Storm or Rogue lamenting over their trouble with humans hating them, as they fly around in jets that costs millions and use alien technology from the Shiar and wear the finest in designer clothes and vacation in foreign resorts where one night's bill would bankrupt most working class families. It's disgusting. The X-Men, under Chris Claremont, are the Beautiful People. Furthermore, in true DBZ fashion, the X-Men are presented as virtually unbeatable. Whenever a villain does defeat them, it is either because a) it's by surprise, and then they get an asswhooping right back at them, or b) the villain is incredibly powerful and godlike themselves (at least until they find his weak spot, and then an asswhoopin commences). Meanwhile, their personalities are all screwed up. Believe it or not, Rogue has been turned into Wolverine. All she does now is argue and growl at people. Storm and Sage act like stuck-up bitches. The only ones whose personalities are fairly accurate are Bishop, who is presented as a stiff supporter of law enforcement, and Gambit. This particular issue here continues the below-average performance of this particular book. A plot that isn't interesting, and worst of all, there's NO mention of last issue, where Gambit fought Vargas (who had just killed an X-man, mind you) briefly, but the two parted ways peacefully.
Bottom line: Stay away from this X-title. Save your money for the infinitely better "New X-Men" or "X-Force". Grade: D+ (the art was good)

Ultimate X-Men #9 (Marvel Comics) Writer: Mark Millar Artist: Tom Raney
Backstory: This is the "Ultimate" Marvel universe versions of the X-Men. The X-Men, all presented as either in their late teens or twenties, are: Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Storm, Iceman, Colossus, and Wolverine. In past issues, the X-Men basically saved the human race from extinction at the hands of Magneto. The new threat is the Weapon X program. In this version of the Marvel Universe, Weapon X is a black-ops project that takes mutants (including Ultimate versions of Sabretooth, Rogue, Juggernaut, and Nightcrawler), enslaves them, experiments on them, and then trains them to be super soldiers for black-ops military actions. In an effort to prevent the project from being closed down, Wraith, who leads the Project, has kidnapped the X-Men, and is now forcing them to work for him, with the thought that if the government sees the results that they are capable of, the project remains.
The story for this issue initially follows the Ultimate version of Nick Fury, as he fights his way into and through a secret Middle Easter military facility looking for unauthorized, illegal mutant experimentation. He finds something there, but as he calls in for reinforcements, he's neutralized. We cut to Wraith talking with a general, and we discover that Fury has been captured by these mysterious villains and is being auctioned off for the secrets he possesses. Wraith thinks it's a good time to test the X-Men in a mission to retrieve Fury. We see various members of the X-Men as they go through training sessions - or in Beast's case, experiments - and argue with other members of Weapon X. As the issue closes, the team is dropped off (with Nightcrawler) into India, to retrieve Fury. Oh yeah, if they don't do what they're ordered to do, they die, thanks to the neural implants in their heads. The issue ends with the team getting into position, and Wraith using Cerebro to track down Wolverine - the only mutant to have ever escaped Weapon X and the only X-Men not captured.
I've heard Wizard, in the height of their tool-ness, claim that Mark Millar's Ultimate X-Men is better than the original with Stan Lee. Let me laugh in their general direction. To quote Chris Rock, "Slow down." Still, Millar's work IS awful good, almost, but not quite, as good as Grant Morrison's work on "New X-Men", which is the best the X-Men have been written in years. This issue has a lot to offer, as well. The first half of the book involves Nick Fury (who, apparently, is African-American in the Ultimate universe) in a very James Bondish attack upon a mysterious facility in India. Fury's character is very well written, and comes across a lot like the badass superspy that we all know and love from the regular Marvel universe. The scene where he uncovers the base's secret is very compelling, as it leaves the reader guessing but hinting at big things to come. The last half of the issue involves the X-Men as they try to assimilate into being Weapon X prisoners, which isn't easy since they're experimented on and brutalized by training. Beast, who looked fairly human, gets his blue skin / hair here, thanks to some non-elective surgery. The entire second half of the book is just very dark and grim, something that we don't see much of in the X-Men universe, at least not with this attitude. Overall, though, a very well done issue. If you want to pick up an X-book, this is definitely one of the ones to get
Bottom line: Very good story, and good art to boot. Grade: A

Fury #1 (Marvel Comics) Writer: Garth Ennis Artist: Darrick Robertson
Fury is one of the first comics printed under Marvel's new adult imprint, "MAX". This basically means you get all the hardcore violence, blood, and sex that you want. This issue has a little of it all. Backstory: If you don't know the character, you probably would not buy this book. Oh, I'd recommend it anyway, but Nick Fury is one of THE major Marvel icons. He may not be nearly as famous as Spider-Man or the X-Men, but in the Marvel Universe, he's just as memorable or as important. Fury is one of the bigwigs in S.H.I.E.L.D., the Marvel universe's military / espionage division of the United Nations. Recently, S.H.I.E.L.D. and ol' Nick have fallen on hard times.
We open with Nick participating in a D.E.A. operation against a Mexican cartel. Even though he isn't in charge of the operation, he takes the lead anyway, and by the third panel, the grenades and bullets already start flying. Yes, folks, we're treated to some good ol' fashioned GARTH ENNIS VIOLENCE!!! Fans of Preacher will know what I'm talking about. Heads exploding, body parts flying, and some good -if occasionally foul - dialogue thrown in to boot. Soon, there's no one left standing, and barely any cartel member left alive. Back at S.H.I.E.L.D. HQ, Fury is informed by a slimey S.H.I.E.L.D. exec that, in this day and age of technological warfare, his role at the organization is rather�.unnecessary. He leaves for the day, and in this issue's big black humor segment, attends the weightlifting tournament of his retarded foster child, with nasty results (I kid you not). Fury tries to kill the rest of the night with a drink at a bar with his "friend", the Russian spy Rudi, and the two reminisce about trying to kill each other throughout the Cold War. Frustrated by the long day, Nick does his best SJ impression and calls up an escort service ("Get me a half-dozen blondes - No! ASIANS!"). As the issue comes to a close, Fury laments over his role in life: "I want another war."
WOW. Ennis proves today exactly why he's so sought after in comics. The man is just unbelievable at handling anti-heroes. Fury is, of course, a spy and a soldier, and while his heart is good, his actions often aren't. Take, for example, the opening sequence. Yes, he takes out a cartel - good. But he kills or maims them all in the process - kinda bad, in a moral sense. As usual, the combat stuff was good, but if you're not into the gore, you would want to pass up on this. The stuff with the retarded youth is somewhat uncomfortable, and at times downright dark (see the hospital scene), but then again, after reading Preacher and seeing the ultimate offspring of Christ, this is nothing. The rest of the book is set up so as to show how frustrated Fury is. He's a soldier who has no war left to fight, but desperately wants one to give his life purpose. It's an excellent look at the character. Finally, there's a hint in the book as to the possible direction of the miniseries: two of the mercs working for the Cartel were formerly from Hydra and from S.H.I.E.L.D., and Fury wonders what they were doing there.
Bottom line: A very promising beginning to a miniseries that has tons of potential. If you're into war comics or James Bond type espionage, this might be for you, if you can handle distinctly adult themes. Grade: A

Punisher #4 (Marvel Comics) Writer: Garth Ennis Artist: Steve Dillon
Yes, TWO Ennis-written comics this week. In light of all of this tragedy, God does deliver some good things, even if they are something as insanely trivial as goddamn comic books. Anyway, if you loved Preacher, Punisher is for you as it reunites Ennis with artist Steve Dillon. The recent 12-issue Punisher series is great fun, but dare I say it? The regular series seems better. Backstory: The Punisher kills bad guys. Lots of them. By the freakin' boatload. In the miniseries, he took out a mafia family, and at one point, he killed a Russian assassin built like a tank named "The Russian". Well, the Russian, who when we last saw him in the mini was just a decapitated head, has been resurrected through modern tech and given a new body (and wait till you see it!), and in the first issue of the series, attempted to kill Frank. Frank was rescued by Spider-Man in issue two, of course, and what occurred next was the most hilarious Marvel Team-Up to ever grace the pages of a comic book page. But I digress. The Punisher found out who resurrected the Russian - a badass merc named Kriegkopf. Frank decided to travel to Kriegkopf's base, an island, and pay him a visit. The island is full of mercs, assassins, and soldier-boy lowlifes. Frank, last issue, proceeded to kick ass. This issue, everyone's looking for him.
The issue opens with Frank being hunted in the jungle by nearly a hundred mercs. You would think he was in trouble. Heh heh. Of course he would be. Anyway, after a great many of them are dead (thanks to bullets and booby traps) their commander falls into a pit of spikes and the rest run away. Meanwhile, Kriegkopf is sending the Russian out of the island by plain for an assignment. Back in the jungle, Frank interrogates the commander who fell into the spikes, to gain valuable info on Kriegkopf's plans. Those plans are, in a HUGE TWIST OF REALISTIC IRONY - to crash a plane into a meeting of European leaders that want to shut Kriegkopf down. How happy must Ennis be now? I know he wrote this, like, months ago, but still, that has to be nightmarish to him, huh? Back to the levity, on the airplane the Russian talks about his love for Haley Joel Osment films, while the Punisher shows up on the runway, shoots the plane's engine off as it gets airborne. It promptly crashes into a fuel depot. I kid you not. By now, I'm thinking Ennis must feel REAL awful about this mess, even if it is just a comic. The Russian survives, of course. And Kriegkopf orders the Punisher's demise, and discusses his plans for necrophilia once it's done.
Outside of all of the now-painful airplane-crashing scenes, this is another great comic by Ennis, who takes great dialogue (dig the French jokes!), incredibly gory violence, and the darkest of anti-heroes, and makes it into a fantastic read. Highly recommended. If you are so inclined to these things, it does NOT get much better than Punisher. It's like Preacher without the Biblical references.
Bottom line: If you don't read Punisher, it's because you're a sissy boy. Grade: A+

U.S. WAR MACHINE #1 (Marvel Comics) Writer / Artist: Chuck Austen
War Machine is another in the new line under the MAX imprint. Written and penciled by Chuck Austen, the book is done in black and white, instead of the usual color, and is a weekly-published maxi-series of 12 issues. The price for the books is 1.50 each, nearly a dollar less than the cheapest comics out there. Backstory: War Machine is a suit of armor much like Iron Man, but much more militaristic. It was, in fact, built by Tony Stark (Iron Man) for use by the government as a battle suit (think human-sized Gundam). Armed to the teeth, it was usually worn by James Rhodes, a good friend and former (current) employee of Tony Stark, who used it to fight evil much like Tony does as Iron Man.
The issue begins with Tony giving a press conference for Stark Enterprises. He swears that, after seeing the destruction that the War Machine armor caused recently in Latveria (Dr. Doom's country; they had to use WM to take out Doom's soldiers to escape), Stark has decided that he will no longer produce military weapons, specifically the War Machine armor. We next cut to the image of a large military transport (carrying the body of the now deceased AIM superweapon/being M.O.D.O.K.) that has been hijacked by two men (AIM terrorists�.yeah, I know, more terrorists). They have a female hostage with them, and are traveling down a very congested highway). Rhodes, in the War Machine armor, attacks, causing the transport to crash�into traffic. Once the dust settles, one of the hijackers fires at War Machine with a rocket launcher, taking out cars in the process. Thankfully, WM plays a game of "Smash the Pumpkin", substituting the necessary vegetation with the hijacker's head. The other terrorist uses the female hostage as a shield, spouts some rhetoric at WM, and then blows her away. I'm very into killing terrorists at the moment, so I loved it when, after the hijacker then surrendered, War Machine uses his gatling gun to turn him into sushi. Then, in a very realistic moment, two valley girls in bikinis ask War Machine to pose for a picture, and take one without his blessing. Of course, Rhodes realizes that this won't make Tony happy.
This issue reads very quickly, seeing as there is not a ton of dialogue. But it runs very smoothly, with the action very intense and graphic and realistic. The violence is appropriate, and has a purpose. The inclusion of the AIM terrorists sets up the plot for future issues; hell, M.O.D.O.K. is just laying there on the highway, you know that's going to be explained later. The art, at times, has a very manga feel to it, but maybe that's just cause it has fighting robots.
Bottom line: Another very promising start to a mini-(well, maxi) series. Good blend of action and drama, and I can't wait for more. If you're into manga-style sci-fi action type stories, this is for you. And at that price ($1.50!!! Who'd have thought those days would return??), you can't beat it. Grade: A

ORIGIN #1 (Marvel Comics) Writer: Paul Jenkins (with help from Joe Quesada & Bill Jemas Artist: Andy Kubert
This is the big one, folks. THE comic book event of the year. For decades, his past has been shielded in mystery - now, at long last, Wolverine gets an origin.
We start off at the Howlett Estate in Canada. A young orphan girl of 12 arrives at the estate by stage-coach (it appears to be sometime in the 1800s) to become a servant there, and we learn about the Howlett's themselves (as usual, there's some family tragedy, but beyond that, the old man is a bastard but the son, John, is a decent fellow). Rose is there to take care of James, the boy of the family (he's roughly her same age). Both James and Rose befriend "Dog" Logan, the son of the groundskeeper Logan (and guess who the groundskeeper looks JUST like?), and through the eyes of Rose we see this friendship develop over the summer. Unfortunately, after an accident where James almost drowns, Dog is blamed for the incident by Old Man Howlett (even though he was responsible for saving James' life) and is reprimanded via his father's fists. Seasons change, and soon it's Christmas. Dog has been forbidden from visiting James or Rose, but he sneaks onto the grounds anyway, and is actually given a toy train by Master John Howlett. This causes the old man to go ballistic, and he and John argue as Dog returns home and James is left crying to watch the verbal battle. Meanwhile, Logan's father has been out drinking, and when he sees his son come home from his hated employer's house with a toy�.it's more abuse. The final page shows the man's fist, with a belt in hand, raised in anger, the train shattering, and Logan stranded on top of the shack to escape his father's wrath.
Many Marvel / X-Men fans are worried that this origin story will destroy the Wolverine character and cause him to lose his mystique. I don't really share that opinion, but if Marvel is going to tell this story, they're on the right track. Paul Jenkins is one of the most talented writers in comics today, and this issue is a STRONG effort by him. We get incredible insight into Wolverine, or "Dog" as he's known here. We see the environment under which he lived: poor, neglected, living with no mother and an abusive father (the abuse alone is explanation for some of his behavior as an adult). At one point, after a brutal beating, his father gives him a bottle of alcohol to drink (again, explaining his adult behavior). Logan is portrayed as having a crush on Rose�.who just happens to be red-headed (again, explaining future behavior! No coincidence that Jean Grey is a carrot-top!). There's a couple other things in here too, such as the possible suggestion that maybe Logan is related to James (that's not confirmed though, just speculation), and some insight into the socioeconomic divide of the day.
Bottom Line: An excellent look at the character that will become Wolverine. Jenkins' work here is excellent, and I suspect great things from this mini in the future. Already, this book is a huge success for Marvel, but buy this book not because it's the event of the year, but rather because it tells a very interesting story about one of the most popular characters in the medium. Grade: A+

Finally, in the spirit of kicking terrorist ass:

G.I. Joe #1 (Image Comics) Writer: Josh Blaylock Artist: Steve Kurth
The triumphant return of G.I. Joe to comics, after a several year hiatus and a rather messy fight over which company got the right to publish a Joe comic. This is the first issue of a 4 part quarterly miniseries, with the promise that the comic will expand later on.
I'm going to only give you the basics of the story, cause in a minute I will descend into total-drooling-idiot mode and just mark out at the coolness of this book for Joe fans. Here's the plot: Set 10 years after the last Joe comic, and 7 years after the team was disbanded, we see a ninja spying on a Dreadnok base in Southern Florida (the Dreadnoks have gone national, and are a big organized crime ring), and learn that Cobra is meeting with Zartan about a possible Dreanok alliance. This ninja returns with the info to his "master"�.Snake Eyes. Snake Eyes gets a communication from Duke, and we learn that G.I. Joe has been reinstated. At a briefing by Duke, five of the original group of joes - Flint, Scarlett, Roadblock, Shipwreck, and Snake Eyes - are informed that Cobra, which had previously been virtually destroyed, has returned, and the Joe team has been reinstated to deal with the menace. The Joes get reacquainted. Meanwhile, at the Dreadnok base, Cobra Commander discusses with Zartan and most of the old Cobra operatives about his new plan for world domination, and Destro strides in. Then we see some more recruitment by Duke and General Hawk, as well as many of some old, familiar Joe faces. Back to the Dreadnok base, Destro and Cobra Commander argue over Cobra's new direction. Then we get to see Flint, Roadblock, and Shipwreck share a few adult beverages. Finally, we see Cobra Commander enjoying the company of some young ladies (not as dirty as you'd think) when Destro barges in, with Crimson Guards in tow, and takes control of Cobra's leadership.
What can I say? I LOVED THIS COMIC BOOK. Of course, that's because I'm a huge Joe mark. The toys were my favorite growing up (at least before they went utterly crazy with the neon colors�.what were they thinking? Terrorists wearing hot pink uniforms??? Maybe if they were San Francisco terrorists.), and I loved the cartoon as well. So I totally dug this issue. The opening scene with the ninja student (who we later learn is named Kamakura, a Snake Eyes student and new Joe recruit�..who will be the trend for this series - the old cast will be reintroduced, then new Joes will be created) is very cool. Discovering Snake Eyes has become the new Silent Master was fun as well. What I really loved was seeing so many familiar faces from the cartoon, comic, and toy line. We see, in cameo (such as a picture): Quick Kick (who, alas, isn't alive to be in this comic), Cobra Vipers, Zarana, Firefly, Scrap Iron, Serpentor, Ferret, and Cobra Commander in his spiffy Battle Armor costume. In actual physical cameos or appearances, we see: Cobra Commander, Destro, the Crimson Guards, the Iron Grenadiers (wearing new costumes), Baroness, Xamot & Tomax, Major Bludd, Zartan, Dr. Mindbender, Stalker, Gung Ho, Wild Bill, Lady Jaye, Dusty, Mainframe, RocknRoll, Jinx, Spirit, and Bazooka (and boy, did 'zooka let himself go). The original Joes�.they're just true to character. Duke is the born leader (the interesting back story that they've given him is that it appears he's been in black ops for the last few years), Flint is the strong military man, Scarlett is the proud warrior woman, Snake Eyes is the silent, mystery man, Roadblock is the poetic powerhouse (he even rhymes at one point!), and Shipwreck is the wonderful Jack Nicholson clone that he was in the cartoon. There's tons of small subplots and factoids out there for all of us hardcore Joe fans: there's a brief discussion of the former relationship between Snake Eyes and Scarlett, Lady Jaye and Flint are married, the Destro / Cobra Commander shouting match was a blast from the past, there's a great in-joke about the Ninja Force, and hell, even Zartan's skin condition was mentioned (rember the whole "I turn blue when the sunlight hits me?" angle?). All in all, a really cool comic, especially for the Joe fans out there.
Bottom Line: If you don't remember the Joe cartoon, toy line, or comic fondly, this probably isn't for you. But if you liked Joe, even casually, this comic is well worth your time and dollar. Grade: A+, cause I'm a sucker for this stuff.

Sevarius Jr.
Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:22:02 PM
IP: 66-44-58-85.s85.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Part one of a BIG ASS post!!!

Gunjack: << I'm trying to figure out who's calling for the death of the terrorists and who's calling for Afghanistan to be repaved with carpet bombing.>> I'm calling for both.

Some of you seem to be waffling between retaliation against the terrorists and destroying those who harbor them. I say why make that choice? It's an easy solution. You obliterate both.

THAT is the one thing that I really am happy with Bush saying. "We won't make a distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them." There are several countries that we know to actively harbor terrorists. Afghanistan is one, i.e. Osama Bin Laden. Iraq is another. So is Syria. There's a short list of other countries, mainly in the Middle East. We take that list, and we destroy the terrorists in those countries. Oh, AND the countries themselves in the process. Seriously. The time for "measured responses" is over. Welcome to American Warfare 2K. Time to get serious, get extreme, and wipe out all of these terrorist-harboring countries. Middle Eastern American-killing Islamic fundamentalist terrorists: all your dead bodies are belong to us.

Some of you seem shocked by my words. Don't you know me by know? I'm a REPUBLICAN. I have no problem killing a LOT of people. I'm like a carnival attraction in that way: watch the conservative destroy an entire country and not lose any sleep.

And to all of you who want just a measured response and nothing more�.well, you're all a bunch of pussies.

No, seriously, that last part was a joke. Sort of. I'm working on getting some levity back into my posts, for sanity's sake. No offense to the memory of the late, great Attila.

I will be taking a baseball bat, though, and breaking the kneecaps of every opportunistic muthaf*cka who's selling WTC rubble on Ebay, though. After seeing so much horror in the past few days, I didn't think that anything else could disgust me, but guess what? Something did. What a proud day to be a human being.

But one last parting evil, mean, senselessly cruel shot before I get into the less serious stuff: Hey Galvatron! Thank you for the social studies lesson. I hear that people of Arab descent in this country are being assaulted. That's tragic, and I wish that was not happening. I do, however, wish that the rednecks who are responsible for those beatings stop attacking them and all congregate around YOUR front door. And I'd love for you, in your ignorance, to say the same shit to them. I'm sure you'd find quite a few sympathetic ears.

Just to cover my own ass, administrators of the room, notice how I did not say I wanted those rednecks to beat Galvie senseless. I never said that, cause that would not be responsible. But the thought of them standing at his front door while he hides in his room making ball-less anonymous posts in comment rooms does makes me giggle. Like a schoolgirl.

Frodo: I love your book. Here's hoping that your starring role in the feature film adaption of "The Fellowship of the Ring" does very well at the box office this winter.
Frodomania runnin' wild, brutha.

Nostrodamus: Didn't he predict that Ron Jeremy was the Antichrist? Yeah, I'm pretty much not going to buy into anything he has to say. I don't care if he did have a cameo in a TGS fic.
Sevarius Jr.
Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:20:09 PM
IP: 66-44-58-85.s85.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

DPH: Its water. Der.
Josh
Thursday, September 13, 2001 09:43:00 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-199.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Yahoo Groups is experiencing technical difficulties right now. I don't mean light technical difficulties. I posted a test message almost an hour ago in one online group when a previous message didn't appear too quickly. Neither have shown up yet.

Either yahoo is a experiencing a technical crisis or everybody is bombarding yahoo groups with messages about the current situation.
DPH
Thursday, September 13, 2001 09:30:10 PM
IP: max1-11.cwy.cei.net

My mom sent me this link earlier today, and I think this is the most well written response to what was done... I was so impressed by his words that I wanted to share them here...

Hateful attack won't hurt us as it will you
September 12, 2001
BY LEONARD PITTS JR. <mailto:leonardpitts@mindspring.com>

They pay me to tease shades of meaning from social and cultural issues, to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.

Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

We are a family

Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, cultural, political and class division. We're frivolous, yes.
We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Perhaps you think that any or all of this makes us weak. We are not weak.

Yes, we're in pain now. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster.

Both in terms of the awful scope of its ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and indeed, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost in the pursuit of justice.

Sad, but determined

In days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined.

You see, there is steel beneath this velvet. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

Still, I keep wondering what it was you hoped to teach us. Maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred.

If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're about. You don't know what you just started.

But you're about to learn.

I guess thats it for tonight. I'm giving blood this weekend, and I'm sure that people will be thankful for saving their lives even if they may have to pay a little later, as they would with all other life saving techniques at hospitals... Some things are worth the money Jan...
Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
MI
Thursday, September 13, 2001 09:10:01 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Greetings and condolances to you all. I have been lurking around this community for years now (some of you may or may not remember me) so I thought I'd at least post a message here to show support. What sadens me though is the reactions I see in some of those posting here, although others show more sense. On some level I understand the tradegy that has befallen you, although we here in Iceland have never suffered terrorist attacks, we have lost many to natures harsh climate. I understand also the scale of this event, the possible cassualities could mount up to numbers that equal a Fifth of our entire population, or very possibly the entire town I live in. But still I thought those that belonged to this community would show more of the Ethical strength that 'Gargoyles' promotes. So I urge you to try to see past the immideate option of blowing everything around you up. It can only make things worse, for everyone on this little planet we live on. I hope you dont take this offensivly for it is not. Again I offer my deepest condolences to you all from those watching things from Iceland.
Frodo
Kopavogur, Iceland
Thursday, September 13, 2001 08:54:25 PM
IP: freenet-in1-p90.isholf.is

Kathy> family members that have had dealings with the Red Cross has told me, plus other people that have requested their assistance and were turned down.. they were given the financial reason (their lack of funds or ability to repay the Red Cross) for not receiving assistance. I even saw a bill from the Red Cross for the blood that my family member used after the tornado. He was charged for the "donated" blood.
Like I've said, I'll gladly donate, but not to the Red Cross.
Jan
Thursday, September 13, 2001 08:47:13 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Oh yeah, one more thing. Jan, I don't know who gave you that information, but it sounded wrong to me. I found this statement on the redcross.org website.

All American Red Cross disaster assistance is free, made possible by voluntary donations of time and money from the American people. The Red Cross also supplies nearly half of the nation's lifesaving blood. This, too, is made possible by generous voluntary donations. To help the victims of
disaster, you may make a secure online credit card donation or call 1-800-HELP NOW (1-800-435-7669) or 1-800-257-7575 (Spanish). Or you may send your donation to your local Red Cross or to the American Red Cross, P.O. Box 37243, Washington, D.C. 20013. To donate blood,
please call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE (1-800-448-3543), or contact your local Red Cross to find out about
upcoming blood drives.
kathy
Thursday, September 13, 2001 08:41:43 PM
IP: client114129.atl.mediaone.net

Amazon.com is facilitating cash donations to the Red Cross. Just go to www.amazon.com or click my name.

If you can't give blood and you don't like so many of us live in New York or D.C. you can still help.
kathy
Thursday, September 13, 2001 08:39:11 PM
IP: client114129.atl.mediaone.net

**enters slowly** I'm sorry that my re-emergence has to take place in the midst of such a horrible national tragedy. But it feels good to be back.

**runs around the room and hugs everyone** MISSED YOU ALL!! And I apologize sincerely for not keeping in contact. Eventually I will share my ordeal with everyone here. **runs around and hugs everyone again**

There ... I think we all needed that one. Especially after Tuesday.

Some random thoughts I have with two days' difference between the event and this evening:

*Americans have a pattern of knee-jerk reaction when it comes to national tragedy in a similar vein to this. All Americans seem to do the same thing: swell with patriotic pride, swear vengeance against the parties involved, mourn the losses, then take a break long enough to haul @$$ to the gas station before the pump-jockeys jack up the prices by six bucks so that you have to take out a second mortgage to fill up. (damned opportunists!)
*Did anyone else look at the film footage of the Taliban denying any involvement, see the spokesman's face and think to themselves that he has a look on that says, really pleadingly, "Please don't rip our country a new one?" Or am I reading too much into it?
*I personally like Jim Baker's proposed plan of action ... give Kabul a deadline of 48 hours to turn over Bin Laden, and if they don't comply *then* you stage your attack. (Pakistan just has to be the *perfect* place to stage an attack from, strategically speaking ... I mean, Kabul is *right there just past the northern border!*) Gen. Schwartzkopf (sp? Been a while) had a more rational thought, though ... "It's a very good plan *if we can confirm that Bin Laden is there."

All for me this evening. **picks up Ravyn in his arms** I have so much lost time to make up ... **carries her out**
Coyote the Not Homeless Anymore Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, September 13, 2001 08:25:30 PM
IP: 64.243.214.73

**UPDATE**
I have become more aware of certain things after my visit to the chiropractor today.

For those who don't know or have forgotten, I was involved in an automobile accident over 1 year ago. That is the cause of my back problems.
**END DOWNDATE**

Jan - I've heard the same thing about the Red Cross.

I'm sticking to prophecies in the B-I-B-L-E, not Nostradomus.

Saddam - I'd rather have know who I am up against. No one is sure who would take over after Saddam would be killed.

2 + 1 = 2 <--This is a logical chemical formula for making something very common on Earth. 2 cybercookies if you name what it is.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, September 13, 2001 08:22:15 PM
IP: max1-42.cwy.cei.net

*races in*
I'm sorry Mara, I'm not a group or even in RL, but this is the best I can do... *GLOMMGLOMMGLOMM~positive~mental~vibes~GLOMMMMMMMMMMMMM*
I will be free to chat tonight on AIM, after this silly lecture thing. it ends at 8 pm. See you...?
*Hands Mara a tekka-maki roll, in an attempt to cheer her*
Lynati "I wanna hug, too!" Kshudra
Thursday, September 13, 2001 07:38:10 PM
IP: 207.221.70.125

I don't mean to sound like a downer or anything, but I will not contribute to the Red Cross. I don't know if it's well known or not, but they CHARGE the victims for their services. Even though blood is donated, the Red Cross charges people for receiving it. Example: in Woodward, Oklahoma after a tornado hit the area, the RC arrived. The only people that received assistance from them were those who passed the credit check. Each person who then received assistance was later sent a bill from the Red Cross. (A family member who needed assistance there told me what he had gone thru with the Red Cross) In a small town north of Conroe, TX that was practically wiped out by flooding and is a "poor" community... they asked for assistance from the Red Cross and they were denied. Several churches went together and began collecting food, money, blankets, etc. and the newspaper wrote an article about it... guess who showed up? The Red Cross. They then said that they would only assist if they had total and absolute control of all donations. (I helped with the gathering of food and supplies for these people)
These are just a couple of the hundreds of times that Red Cross appears to assist people out of the goodness of their hearts - but they DO charge the receipents for their "goodness"... and if you don't have money or the credit - no assistance for you.

I will gladly give a donation to a church or some other reputable service organization that is assisting those in need in NYC or Washington DC -but not to the Red Cross.

Siryn> I totally agree with you and am ashamed and saddened to see the ignorance of others who lash out at those who are innocent just because of their nationality and skin color. It's the same ignorance that causes a black man to be dragged behind a pick-up truck or the fear, panic and anger that caused all American Japanese to be imprisoned immmediately following Pearl Harbor. *sais*
We can do whatever we can to show our fellow Americans - no matter what color or nationality they are compassion and understanding.
I'm glad to hear that your friend is alright :)
Jan
Thursday, September 13, 2001 07:21:00 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

'Lo, all. Me and me gang tried getting into the Red Cross today but were turned away. The line was out the door and apparently they ran out of blood bags and they said they have enough for three weeks, so unless you're O, "don't bother". What bothers me is, I'm not entirely sure if it's because SO many people have donated blood, or there are essentially no survivors to receive it. Probably a combo of the two :( I think the latest news was only 7 live people have been pried from the Towers *sigh*

Josh< That wasn't meant as a dig at you personally, but as an observation: Attitudes like that really do scare me, and it's difficult to tell in chat-room form whether or not something's meant as a joke.

Siryn< Hear, hear!

Our campus is having a March Against Terrorist Hate going down tomorrow. We'll see how that turns out.

Re: College Students & Beer< You KNOW it's serious when you get a voicemail announcing the usual weekend drunken bash planned for the evening, and the hosts tell you that instead of pooling their money for more beer, they're donating it all to the Red Cross. Yeesh, even the "Animal House" nuts are a-changin'... who knew??

Cheers, all.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Thursday, September 13, 2001 06:34:50 PM
IP: pc169-119.drew.edu

PATRICK - I'd suspected myself that those Nostradamus quatrains were hoaxes (I'd heard of a similar case of one being invented about the O.J. trial a few years ago). And I'm not at all surprised that you were the one who assured everyone that they were hoaxes, either.

(And I agree with you that it was a pretty sick hoax to invent, too).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, September 13, 2001 06:18:23 PM
IP: sdn-ar-001mosloup012.dialsprint.net

I guess I'm posting more often lately... the things it takes .... really...

Aaron and I were talking on the phone last night, and afterwards I realized that I'm still in shock. Have to be, it still hasnt fully sunk in. I dont want it to. On the news it's happening, in the city it's happening. But outside my house it looks so normal.... Kids are playing outside...

I wish things were normal... me and everyone I suppose.

The thing is, hearing the pain in the voice of the man I love... and he's safe, not even near here. This thing affect s everyone... I didnt realize that even out in California you could give blood.

Gods....

(is in real need of a group hug or something sickeningly life-affirming like that)
Mara
Thursday, September 13, 2001 04:57:57 PM
IP: aca089fe.ipt.aol.com

Hey gang,
My sister just wrote me and was able to get in contact with our friend's parents. His mum says that he's fine. So that's a relief.

Josh> 22 actually...my birthday was about 2 weeks ago..not that that matters. And no, you're right, I wasn't at the holocoast, but those words were spoken and have been spoken in America at times. So it was valid.

Re lions: Again, a reference. Religious groups have pursecuted each other back and forth for centuries, and I in no way support any type of action against people of the Muslim faith just because of their beliefs.

Re Killers: Ummm I don't know what American you're living in but, yes it does. Considering the US compared to ANY other country has a higher murder rate then many of the countries put together. We are ALL capable of murder...ALL of us nomatter where we're from. Yes, enviornment does play a part, I'm not denying that, but open your eyes. There are terrorist 'schools' in the US right now.

The fact is, each and everyone of us has the power to become a cold blooded killer, its our CHOICE whether we do or not.
One of my professors (who is a Korean and Vietnam Vet)today in class told us that he didn't support what the terrorists did, but the only way to stop things like this from happening is to understand WHY they did this?

These men by any means necessary where willing to die for their country, they believed what they did was the right thing (Just like Americans are willing to risk their own lives for this country.)....and that's the scariest part about evil...that for the most part..people who are doing these horrible acts believe they are justified in doing so.

Already hate crimes are springing up all over the US against AMERICAN Muslims and AMERICAN people of Arab desent. (Desent meaning they were BORN in America, but thier families immigrated to this country)...and guess what, once upon a time...each and everyone of us was an immigrant to this country. Maybe it was you, maybe it was your parents, maybe your grandparents, maybe hundreds of generations back, but once upon a time, we were all immigrants here.

The people responsible actively (meaning they played a part or helped out those who they KNEW were doing wrong..) for what happened on TUesday should be held accountable, whatever race, religion, or culture they came from should not. :(

Siryn
Thursday, September 13, 2001 02:57:47 PM
IP: roc-24-93-24-2.rochester.rr.com

Just watching an interview, and I'd say that it is no strech to say that Saddam Hussein is involved in this.

The 1993 bombing of the WTC took place on the last day of the Gulf War, and one of the men responsible is living in Baghdad. Also my father said that for a long time, Saddam has talked about smashing planes into buildings. And likely he is working with bin Laden on this.

I hope it is Saddam, cause we've let this guy live for far too long. When the time comes, we obliderate him and his entire regime.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, September 13, 2001 01:34:35 PM
IP: dialup-209.246.82.108.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

Gunjack> "Blood for blood" is also my favorite quote right now. It means we will find the people responsible for this and make them pay. We will find the people who planned this, the people who executed it, the ones that didn't kamikazi themselves, those who trained them, those put up the money, anyone who knowingly helped cause this, in any way, however small, and they will *all* pay.

Longer post later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Thursday, September 13, 2001 01:11:26 PM
IP: dialup-64.154.229.103.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net

GUNJACK - I'm with my President on this one... "Make no mistake..." I want the terrorists themselves... their blood is the one that counts. Of course, if any country wants to harbor them and protect them... may they suffer the same fate as the terrorists.

SPACEBABIE - I called about giving blood. I am A+ as well and they told me to call back in a week. My O+ husband was in hot demand though.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Thursday, September 13, 2001 01:11:18 PM
IP: 1cust211.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Okay, what happened in Grand Central Station was a bomb threat was called in. Bomb threats are being called in all over NYC. Most of them have been proven false so far. And thankfully no bombs have been found yet.

Hopefully these are mere pranks, and I hope they find the bastard who's calling these in.

There was a big scare in LaGuardia Airport less than two hours ago.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:45:14 PM
IP: dialup-209.246.82.108.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

The just caught a suspect in Hamburg, Germany.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:42:29 PM
IP: dialup-209.246.82.108.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

When I went to the fridge to get my lunch I took a good long look at the American flag magnet, we are going to get through this people.

Last night I was burning up with a fever, I'm ok now, and I just finished a lunch of a brumel and Brown blueberry spread sandwich with the bread being Pepperidge farm cinnamon swirl and raison. Some combos and some M&M's

I wish I was wearing a adge of honor, by that I am refering to those stretcy fluorescent bandages that wrap around the arm after you donate blood, I'd donate but the lines aretoo long and I have the crummy common A+ blood, My dad is type O but with his cancer its not a good idea.

Aonymous/Galavatron...thanks for the Social Studies report but I think it was inapropriate to post that here, especially this early.

Jannie>>.Its ok I don't need an apology, Like i said I don't give a damn, attacks on my personal character doesn't get to me, There are more important things in life to get snippy about being called a name.

"God may forgive you, but we won't." John Mcain to all terrorists.

Spacebabie
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:39:55 PM
IP: proxy.lga.netsetter.com

Greg - Thanks. I'm trying to figure out who's calling for the death of the terrorists and who's calling for Afghanistan to be repaved with carpet bombing.

What's this about GCS? I don't have a TV...
Gunjack Valentine
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:27:06 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

GUNJACK> These Terrorists killed thousands of our people for no damn reason. We find them, we destroy them. We destroy all Terrorists, those behind this, those who seek to take advantage of this, any one who unprovokingly targets civilians, those who harbor them, those who support them.

DAMN, Grand Central Station has just been evacuated. Not sure why yet.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:20:53 PM
IP: dialup-64.152.166.93.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

Crzy/Greg - Could you define "blood for blood" for me? I'm a little slow today.
Gunjack Valentine
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:12:26 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

JEN> That's currently my favorite quote also. We find the ones who did this (even though we already know it was Osama bin Laden) and make them pay.

There will be blood for blood.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:09:31 PM
IP: dialup-64.152.166.93.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

How about THIS Gargoyles quote (it's my favorite right now)

"I will have blood for blood!"
--Demona

:P
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:02:30 PM
IP: 1cust211.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

Green Baron><<And as for killing children, they will grew up to bomb us so let's stop the cycle now.>>

SJ><>

Josh><<Perhaps, but their culture breeds them to be cold blooded killers, and ours does not.>> Huh. Coulda fooled me...
Gunjack Valentine
Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:27:18 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

I'm presuming everyone's been keeping up-to-date, so there's little need for this, but: NATO is initiating Article Five of its charter, which will allow us to basically retaliate/attack whoever we want with the full support of the member nations. That's very nice, but what would be more appropriate is a response on behalf of the U.N. That would be a clearer message. The U.N. needs to stop being so complacent, as we've been.

Afghanistan has appealed to us to not attack them. More specifically, the Taliban has. Aww, isn't that special, they're trying to save their asses after kneeing the most powerful nation on Earth in the shins when it was asleep. Am I the only one who is absolutely without pity? Who will watch on TV whatever carnage we wreak on those responsible with cold eyes?

Maybe what I've got now is the same type of blind zealousness that allowed those Islamic terrorists to burn, blow up, and maim thousands of American people without a blink of the eye. But maybe now it's time for a taste of their own medicine. This really reminds me of something from another great animated series besides Gargoyles: Dragonball Z. Consider the Cell Game, and we're Gohan. We may have just been pushed over the edge tuesday, and if that is so, I look forward to the wrath we'll issue.

No more generous, compassionate, all-forgiving America. Jesus wasn't a pushover. We've just walked into the temple of merchants.

(These were brought to you by Parralels 'R' Us, a subsidiary of Wit-and-Mayhem.)
Entity
Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:24:45 AM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

I'm totally with Josh on this one (surprised?): all of the Gargoyles quotes are really wearing thin. Okay? If you want to say let's let pacifism reign, go ahead and say it, but don't quote me Goliath, okay? Cause it's tired. It's plaaaaayed.

But if you must insert Gargoyle references in everything, here's one for you: "Goliath's way" died the minute those towers fell. We are now in the cold retribution age of Demona.
Sevarius Jr.
Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:38:54 AM
IP: 66-44-89-151.s532.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

<<"The only good Muslim is a dead muslim?" >> Sigh. Seems that sentiment is already manifesting in violence here. I heard on the news this morning that someone shot out the windows in a Texas mosque, and that the Arab-American population of Manhattan is getting extra armed protection. Yeesh.

While I can understand the rage at bin Laden and the people who were supposedly celebrating in the streets of Palestine, that just makes me sick. People doing that are just playing into the terrorists' hands.
Mandolin
Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:00:56 AM
IP: s00ded0.ssa.gov

Josh> That's not what I said doofy. That's what these supposed prophecies were from Nostradamus. The one's being circulated that are bulldoodie, made to stir ppl up.
Oracle
Thursday, September 13, 2001 07:49:20 AM
IP: mke-65-29-130-252.wi.rr.com

Re: Nostradamus - the "Nostradamus prophesies" being passed around the internet since Tuesday afternoon are hoaxes. Sadly, some twisted little person could think of nothing better to do in the immediate wake of the attack than to sit down and write up four lines that read kinda like a Nostradamus quatrain.
Plea to those who may be traveling by air soon > Please stay safe and be smart, and leave enough time to deal with all the new security restrictions. The days of being able to run up to the gate 10 minutes before departure are over. They're even talking about putting armed air marshals on all flights now... which I'm 100% in favor of. Also, every major airline is waiving change fees and allowing those customers who want to reschedule to do so, even though the FAA will likely allow things to resume soon.
Patrick Toman
Thursday, September 13, 2001 07:08:31 AM
IP: ac816d66.ipt.aol.com

I slept VERY soundly last night. Much to everyone's dismay, my ragtag apartment building was not bombed while I slept, despite its high military importance.

Not.

Anyway, I was totally unable to wake up for a 9AM discussion today.

My friend Nico has put up an AFK message that says "I probably don't say this enough to my friends... but, I love you all." I thought that was really sweet.

I think that Gargoyles quotes on this subject are starting to become a little trite. This kind of unprovoked attack was unlike anything that happened in that fantasy universe. Not even the Wyvern Massacre. There is no parallel in that universe that our heroes dealt with.

STOP QUOTING NOSTRADAMUS! Who cares what he predicted and when?! We live NOW. Premonitions are worthless. Either they're true and we're doomed, or they're not and we go on living. Either way, we don't need to hear them. We don't know what, if anything, leads to terrible events.

I realized today that I can avoid getting drafted for not eating for a few days...then I'll be back under the weight limit.

OH MY GOD! ALL BASEBALL GAMES YESTERDAY WERE CANCELLED! NOOOOOO!

just kidding, I hate baseball.

My CE130 assignment due today was postponed until Friday because of the attack. Alright, here's the deal. All I want to do in my civil engineering classes is discuss this disaster from an engineering point of view. The physics. The math. I want to understand what happened at the microscopic level. Instead, in fluid mechanics, we talked about the submarine that surfaced last year into a fishing boat. Close, but not quite. My stat assignment was also postponed. So everything is due Friday. I skipped a class in celebration 8-). I still have two assignments due Friday, but whatever.

I'm gonna wind up in some sort of disaster engineering, I just know it.

In other news, I've decided I don't want to go home for thanksgiving. Maybe ever again. I've had it with my parents. I'm so tired of their crap. This is the second time that they've decided to start sh*t with me around my birthday. What is it with this time of year that seems to bring out the worst in people? Is "back-to-school" really that stressful?

Why don't I want to go home? Well, it seems my parents have taken their last vestiges of control over me and attempted to cheat me and steal things that are mine, whether gifts or earned. I was informed today that my parents don't want to pay for my laptop...AFTER I SENT IT TO THEM.

I don't think they ever intended to pay me at all. I feel so used and cheated that I can't even explain it. They stole something from me. My own parents.

If they don't send me my money, in a few days I'll report to Apple that the laptop was stolen. As long as I hold the warranty, any place they go to for repairs will confiscate the machine. I won't report them to the police, because I don't want to press charges against them (that whole "gift of life" thing I didn't ask for), but I'm not afraid to take them to small claims court with a verbal contract.

Bastards. I feel like I have no control around them. They have everything, and I have nothing to fight back with. They know it, and they know that I know it. They hold it over me. In the meantime, I'm avoiding contact with my parents. My mom has the gall to ask me to help troubleshoot her machine.

Does anyone have any advice for me on what to do about my parents? I know this hardly seems important in light of what's going on, but I figured I'd ask anyway.

In other news, my friends and I have started our own SETI group. We started it tonight, and we already have about 350 units. Not bad for a few hours worth of work, eh? And since we all have dual-g4 systems, it should be...growing quickly. No, you can't join.

I hear 82 bodies have already been pulled from the rubble at WTC, and as many as 800 could be dead at the Pentagon.

On to replies!

Fleur: <<The entire WORLD is grieving with America, don't let those stupid celebrating morons fool you. We're aching right along with you, and in a hundred different languages, to a dozen different gods, we're praying for you>>: That was incredibly well-written. <<looking for reason, a nice logical explanation. Stupid inner scientist, looking for something that just isn't there>>: I think we're all guilty of that in some way.

David: <<They were celebrating the end>>: Along with the deaths of hundreds of thousands of vaporized Japanese. <<People dancing in the streets of Palastine couldn't have been celebrating the end unless they were terribly stupid>>: Well, they did just fuck with America...

Oracle: <<In the city of god>>: I'm sorry...how do you come to the conclusion that NYC is the "city of god"? If anything, I'd think that was Jerusalem.

Sevarius Jr: <<elementary-school children in Palestine, wearing American designer jeans, stomping on American flags and cheering as if they just won the muthafucking Superbowl>>: Ah, the delicious irony of it all. <<These people have bandages on their head already, let's actually put them to good use>>: LOL <<The 10 year old Palestinian child cheering over the death of tens of thousands of Americans will be, in a few short years, the Palestinan soldier who does this exact same thing to us in a future>>: So true. So true. <>: Somehow, I didn't think you would. <<How did we ultimately respond to them? We nuked them>>: Actually, our first response was firebombing their cities...wooden houses burn quickly. <<That is what needs to be done now>>: I won't condone a nuclear response. Nuclear weapons are too horrible to the planet itself. We have long range bombers, cruise missiles, etc. We should use those. <>: Hmmm, maybe we really aren't the same person. FS seems to think I'd have no trouble with such things.

Jan: <<PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN>>: Whoa, that was pretty moving. <<That is no where near the same>>: I don't think the Japanese who were around would agree. <>: I'm not sure if that was supposed to be an insult or not. But don't tell me what I do and don't know. What I know is that it would be incredibly easy for me write a very long paper about how the events are similar, and yes, the paper would have EVIDENCE.

Siofra: <<The last thing we need is someone like you trying to be the next Hitler>>: I think that might be a stretch.

FS: <<Fine. 20 minutes.>>: I don't think GM plant can make bombers.

The Wizard: Oh look, a post from you dedicated to two things: death and me. Hmmm... <<got turned away because of my weight>>: Yeah, I know the feeling. <<Was there ever any doubt?>>: Probably, since I was exchanging emails about it until midnight the previous night. <<half of the hijacked planes were headed in that direction>>: Yes but they never would have gotten there. They were all headed for destruction long before the reached CA. <<all the paintings and drawings that my friends and I have done of the NYC skyline are out-of-date>>: Collectors items! <<one of the biggest economics booms in history was right after WWII>>: Russia getting the bomb could have provoked that. <<Just make sure to take over the world soon, won't you, so we all won't have to fear these "terrorists" much longer?>>: I think I'll make SJ the head of my anti-terrorism unit. <<Then call me callous>>: Can't, I'm already calling you The Wizard. <>: I never worry about stuff like that. If some plane flight is gonna be my last, then so be it. <<Christopher Walken>>: He's cool! Very evil. <<a temper is a sign of passion, and everybody *loves* that>>: I disagree. It may be a sign of passion, but there are many forms of passion, and not all are good. <<that one response took about eight years to write>>: Time flies when you're having fun, eh?

Green Baron: <>: You enjoy spreading hate and violence? <<Yet another Clinton enemy killed. Makes me think>>: Oh please. If this was a Republican conspiracy, I don't think it was THAT kind of Republican conspiracy. <<it took me over 10 times to qualify with my M16A2 rifle>>: You call yourself a republican!? <<Los Angeles has a large Jewish population that the fanatics would love to kill>>: This wasn't an anti-jewish attack. It was an attack against America. <<those who celebrate the attack on our soil are fools and should be killed for their stupidity>>: I agree. <<They can be very easily Westernized with their new adoptive American parents>>: Hmmm...I'm not sure if that is a terrible thing to do or not.

Siryn: <>: You're 23. You don't remember the Holocaust. <<feed them to the lions>>: How about we just feed the ones who did this to the lions? <<ALL have the capability of being cold blooded killers, ALL of us>>: Perhaps, but their culture breeds them to be cold blooded killers, and ours does not.

Caliope: <>: Um, how do you get to blame the hips on your dad? <<and whats the fun in that>>: Sleep is good. <>: Probably not. Though maybe you can talk someone into sending you as an "official disney rep". <>: No thanks.

Entity: <<It isn't about justice OR revenge. It is about, as Sevarius says, making it STOP>>: Good point.

Hyperion: <<nor do you gain support by firing cruise missles and ICBMs into every nation that does not hold the same beliefs as you>>: How about we fire at every nation that wants to see us dead? This isn't about beliefs. Notice we haven't been nuking commies for the last 50 years.

Jen: <<put it up>>: At half mast, right? <<innocents were killed, but in the long run, many MANY more were saved>>: The truth is that the innocents that would have been killed had we not used nukes would have been Japanese to boot. <<even HITLER didn't say that God would send you to heaven if you died slaughtered Jews>>: That's because Hitler thought the Jews were sub-human. Heaven didn't enter into the thought process at all.

Cat: <<It's attitudes like these that scare me.>>: That was mine, thank you very much, and it was a joke. Jeez. You people have no sense of humor. I know that a terrible tragedy has just occurred, but if you can smile and still find happiness somewhere then we've further defeated our enemies.

Patrick: What the hell is molly-coddling? <<unless SJ is an illigitimate vegetarian painter from Austria, he is not Hitler>>: Illegitimate, maybe. But vegetarian painter? Not SJ.

Okay its been a long night. Time for sleep.

I can't really pronounce that word so I refuse to solve for those.
- Roy Yates

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, September 13, 2001 03:27:49 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-199.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Hello the room >^,,^<

I've been wondering if there was a website that explains about The Gargoyles Saga -- how it came to be, and how it works, etc.

I'm pretty impressed with the first two seasons, and there are things I like about season three as well. I'd love to know the story behind the stories. Anything like Christine Morgan's journal pages of the Gatherings, but for the Saga instead?

I was also wondering about how the stories are scheduled.

If there's a FAQ, please point me in that direction. I'd hate to bring up stuff that's been asked and answered a hundred times before.

Thanks
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Thursday, September 13, 2001 02:38:56 AM
IP: wks-65-30-27-68.kscable.com

**hugs to Winterwolf and Dreamie** Congrats on the anniversary, and here's wishing for many more. :)
Ravyn
Thursday, September 13, 2001 01:46:11 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

We don't really have much to say that hasn't already been said...

On a little lighter note... Today (the 12th) is our anniversary. :::Wolfie and Dreamie cuddle:::

Through all the hard times, at least we all still have each other.

Hugs to everyone
Winterwolf and Dreamie
Thursday, September 13, 2001 01:35:59 AM
IP: acb494da.ipt.aol.com

*leaning in*
Ooh, look. another texas gargfan. hi.

Niamhgold: Aingeal has finished two beautifull photoshop-coloring-ins of my garg-pics...I have not even done as mush work with Prismas on my own hard copy versions...anyway, if you would like to see them, we can email you the jpeg versions. just leave your email-addy next time you post.

It's official. My dad didn't call or email to wish me a happy birthday. And I thought I was depressed earlier. *sigh*
*Flops down and stares at the fire*
Lynati Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 13, 2001 01:33:32 AM
IP: 207.221.70.45

I've been glued to the news for two days straight now... and I'm still in shock over what happened. The hoax (thank God it was simply that) about the threat on the Empire State Bldg was quite freakish.

And a quick thought about Usama's wife: With the type of society they live in, in Afghanistan -- and we *all* know how women there are treated -- I'm guessing that she was prolly forced into marrying him and bearing his children. Personally, I pity any woman who has to be the wife of that cold fanatic.

Kinda reminds me of the son-in-law of Saddam Hussein, who tried to assassinate him. I'm sure there are at least some relatives of Usama who feel the way we do.

oeimae - [oei@dartmouth.edu]
Ft. Worth, TX
Thursday, September 13, 2001 01:17:17 AM
IP: cm367742-a.ftwrth1.tx.home.com

*pathetically grinning* gee, just what I always wanted on my hatching day, a national catastrophe, I'm sorry it's just I'm a verbose person and for once, words fail me, my mind is a mixture of grief,rage and somehow longing I just....just *crumples into a heap* DEAR GOD WHY!!!!!!!!!
I don't want the heads of those responsible, I want them to live....live encased in horrible statues, able to see and breathe and feel...feel the rage of all those who suffered by their hand , seriously, we're calling for machetes when more harm can be done with a scalpel, I am remisce (sp?) about using such brute force but if that is the only option, so be it *sigh* this is my major beef with organized religion, it's these @ssholes who use it like that towel-headed vermin did
shogun raptor
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:44:20 AM
IP: mia-this01.firn.edu

Hey SJ ... does this ISP look familiar?

Galvatron
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 05:59:16 PM
IP: 01-035.037.popsite.net

He is anon no more... and it doesn't surpise me at all.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:41:53 AM
IP: 1cust117.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

SJ: Woah, Woah, Hawk! Cool Down! I'm Sure nothing was meant by the anonymous poster. I think he's just trying to take a distant, objective look at the history of the region. We were talking about the same thing in Comparative Politics today. And what he says is true. If anything, he's trying to bring up how and why do what they do.

Besides, Where do you think these people come from? They don't just phase in from an alternate universe. ; ) You have to look at the whole picture to better understand the situation.
Tim Phipps
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:19:52 AM
IP: wsc00113.wsc.edu

>I am forwarding this story that was sent to me for each of you to
read.
Not
>sure where it originated or if it can be verified but is was an
interesting
>thing to read.
>
> Tribute to America
>
>This is something definitely worth sending,due the recent tragedy
>in New York and the Pentagon.
>
>Subject: Tribute to America
>
>TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
>This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
>America: The Good Neighbor.
>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
>recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
>Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
>Commentator. What follows is the full text of his
>trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
>Record:
>"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
>Americans as the most generous and possibly the
>least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany,
>Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy
>were lifted out of the debris of war by the
>Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
>forgave other billions in debts.
>
>None of these countries is today paying even the
>interest on its remaining debts to the United
>States. When France was in danger of collapsing in
>1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and
>their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
>streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
>
>When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the
>United States that hurries in to help. This spring,
>59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
>Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman
>Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged
>countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
>writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
>
>I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
>gloating over the erosion of the United States
>dollar build its own airplane. Does any other
>country in the world have a plane to equal the
>Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the
>Douglas DC10?
>
>If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
>International lines except Russia fly American
>Planes? Why does no other land on earth even
>consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You
>talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
>You talk about German technocracy, and you get
>automobiles. You talk about American technocracy,
>and you find men on the moon - not once, but several
>times - and safely home again.
>
>You talk about scandals, and the Americans put
>theirs right in the store window for everybody to
>look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued
>and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most
>of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are
>getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to
>spend here.
>
>When the railways of France, Germany and India were
>breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
>rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
>New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
>old caboose. Both are still broke.
>
>I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
>to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name
>me even one time when someone else raced to the
>Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
>outside help even during the San Francisco
>earthquake.
>
>
>Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
>Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
>kicked around. They will come out of this thing
>with their flag high. And when they do, they are
>entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are
>gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada
>is not one of those."
>
>Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!
>This is one of the best editorials that I have ever
>read regarding the United States. It is nice that
>one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of
>the world would realize it. We are always blamed for
>everything, and never even get a thank you for the
>things we do.
>
>I would hope that each of you would send this to as
>many people as you can and emphasize that they
>should send it to as many of their friends until
>this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am
>just a single American that has read this,
>TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
Anonymous
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:10:30 AM
IP: 0-1pool114-233.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net

Anonymous: Asshole, post your real fucking name. Or handle, or whatever it is you call yourself. Something to identify yourself, instead of just "anonymous".

I find it incredibly ironic that you have the balls enough to start this anti-Semitic shit when there are thousands dead because of the same type of fucking towel-heads that you seem to be crying for, yet you lack the testicular fortitude to even post your name.

I won't have any sort of rational discussion with you, but if you want someone to actually answer your most assinine of questions, than you post your real goddamn name right now.

It's easy to hide behind your computer, douche bag.
Sevarius Jr.
Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:06:20 AM
IP: 66-44-92-23.s531.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Ah the Jewish people were already settling in Palestine before WW2 and the nation of Israel was created after WW2 as their homeland. However the natives including arabs didn't want the jews there because they didn't like the jews (cause their fortunes declined in the 19th and 20th century and many blamed it on being led astray from Allah and they thus became very conservative). The UN hearing and rejecting the pleas of the Arabs carved up Palestine and then through some very convulated events the arab nations of the middle east went to war against the Israelis who won and then kicked the Palestinians out of their homes (literally).

So to recap the Romans kicked the jews out and during the interval the Palestinians settled there. The Europeans persecuted the Jews and then decided to make repressions with land that were that of the Palestinians. Ironically the Israelis then kicked out the Palestinians just like the Romans kicked out the Jews. Can somebody tell me whats wrong with this besides the Palestinians getting the short end of the stick? I mean if this happened to you many of you'd probably do the same thing resort to violence cause nobody does anything.
Anonymous
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:56:32 PM
IP: 01-137.037.popsite.net

GSide< You go to Rutgers?? No way! I almost went to New Brunswick but opted for Drew U. instead. Sorry, just random weirdness rant :) It's cool when you hear about people nearby in places you know about ;D

DPH< Ouch, what happened to your back? *checks past comments, thinking she missed it* My mom's a masseuse and she's been swamped since yesterday with people who's thrown out their backs or otherwise have tense muscles. She said a LOT of folks are harboring a ton of stress from the recent events (can't hardly blame 'em ...)

Jan< Even if you can't donate blood, you can give your name for volunteering or whatever. I gave the Red Cross my name and number in case they need an extra set of hands. Anyway, if you're interested in helping, thought you'd like to know. And GOOD LUCK with your brother's friend!!!

Crzy< Glad your bro-in-law's doing good *phew!* Football player at Rutgers was going nuts cuz he didn't know where his grandma was, and she was a worker at the WTC. She turned up later, alright; turns out she wasn't in the building at the time cuz she'd stopped on her way to work to vote :) See, more people in this country should vote!! :D

*going to bed ... for REAL this time*

Hmm, wonder how Goliath and Co. would handle this? I'd like to think Xanatos would somehow know about this ahead of time in his creepy, smirking, Xanatos way of his and had the Illuminati up the terrorist's ass. Fiction, yes, but you can dream.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:43:29 PM
IP: pc169-149.drew.edu

**REALITY CHECK time**
Guys, this could have been worse. Biological weapons could have been brought on that plane.
**END REALITY CHECK time**

Everything happens for a purpose. Yes. Everything, including this disaster. If it wasn't for Hitler, the country known as Israel wouldn't exist. If Israel didn't exist, we probably wouldn't have been bombed, but the Jews wouldn't have a place to call home. It's about values of people. The Jews deserved a home after the persecution they endured. This entire crisis was caused by hatred of Jews (with Hitler) and continues on as hatred against supporters of Jews (with extreme Islamic fundamentalists). This is about RIGHT and WRONG.

Yes, I know the above was probably garbled logic, but maybe it makes sense to somebody else.

I visited a chiropractor again today and will do doing so on a daily basis until next Friday. I felt somethings being popped into place. Meanwhile, there is a cat in my window, either wanting food or wanting me to guard it while it eats food. Anyways, the doctor said it would take 6-8 months for me to get close to normal . . with my back.

Nice, cold, ice tea does wonders for increasing visits to the restroom, but tastes great. Why Northerns like hot tea?

DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:03:21 PM
IP: max1-40.cwy.cei.net

Another short post from me today. Let me extend condolences to those who have discovered they need them.

Also, a couple days ago I fixed my ftp problem, and I have now uploaded an song that has been up before.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:01:52 PM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Crzy> I put up my American flag today too. I'm glad and relieved to hear that your brother in law is fine :) My brother is still trying to find out about one of his best friends who worked in the WTC. =\

Siryn> I hope that you receive good news concerning your friend :)

Patrick> gas prices... eesh! I've heard that prices have gone up to over $5 a gallon in neighboring towns here. I filled up with gas at $1.79 - a 20 cent increase from the day before with rumors of it going to over $3/gallon by today. I don't know if that happened, I didn't leave the house today. Two of the 3 stations were out of gas by 7pm last night.
Isn't there some kind of federal law against this type of thing happening?

Starsinger> very beautiful! Thank you for sharing that with us. :)

Carolynn> Unfortunately I'm not allowed to donate blood. I did see on the television last night where they had over 800 standing in line to donate blood at one blood bank in NYC. That's incredible! They are requesting donations here to be sent to NYC, but have asked for people to wait a few days before coming in.

Firestorm> Bush.. *chuckles* yeah, he's looking like he's really try hard to contain himself, huh? I've heard that he's soooooo mad, but is trying to maintain a "professional" image. Did you see the very first newsclip of him right after the attack? You could definitely see and hear the anger. *nods*
In these troubled times, I'm even more grateful that Bush is president.

Had a very large snake in the shrubs today... it was actually in the top of a small tree/shrub. The yard lady person was trimming the top and almost pulled the snake down on her. She screamed, I screamed and danced and this guy came over and killed it. That sucker was huge! Don't know what kind it was - don't really care either... as long as it's dead. I wonder if there's a city ordinance about owning a mongoose... O.o
Jan
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:41:52 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Starsinger< You mind if I email this message to some people? It's so eloquently done. I applaud it.

Re: Hitler< Hitler was a vegeterian?? I quote the two little Warner Bros. mice: "Oh, sho', sho', RIOT!!" We don't want to kill some cute little bunnies, but 10 million men, women, and children who are different from us ... well, that's a totally different kettle of fish, ain't it? *note the heavy sarcasm, please*

Crzy< Inspirational. I called my Dad, but he already had our flag flying and he left the front lawn lights blaring all night on it (and you should see our nightlights ... along with the Great Wall, they're probably the only things you can see from space). So my uncle's sending me a lil' one to display on our door.

Anyone else donating blood? The Red Cross in Madison was stormed by a bunch of people as young as 8 asking if they needed more :) It's so bizarre that people could be so evil (re: yesterday) and then others can be so good and selfless (re: everyone donating blood, time, and supplies to save the victims). Now there's some devoted human beings. Cuz it eventually boils down to not just who's American or whatever, but we're all made of the same "stuff". We're all human. Sad that certain crazy terrorists can't see that.

Re: Laden< That guy has a family??! God, could you imagine having that psycho for a dad? Who'd MARRY this guy? Geez!!

Night, all
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:17:57 PM
IP: pc169-149.drew.edu

I don't have a way with words, but this was posted on one of my lists as an open letter. Words to ponder and emotions to rein in until it is our time.

Outrage
Good Evening,
I sit here as a first generation American on my mom's side (Canadian) and from an old Southern family on my dad's side. I have heard one person say that today all peace loving citizens of the world are Americans and those from foreign nations on the various lists I'm on have all been supportive. Yet, I am not surprised. We live in a world where little Catholic girls walking to school in Ireland and cursed and abused by so-called Protestant adults. Where Jews and Arabs kill each other in lands once traversed by the ancients who are revered in history books as great civilizations. Where just a generation or so ago, young men, both black and white were murdered for the crime of registering people of color to vote. In India and Pakistan, Hindus and Moslims killed each other in the name of their respective Gods while Mahatma Ghadi preached non-violence and was ultimately killed for his beliefs. The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King suffered a similar fate. Women in Afghanistan find themselves in a virtual prison--in the name of faith. What is wrong with this picture?
We live in a world that has seen incredible advances. I can press a button and send this to what used to be the USSR and a closed country. My mother is alive after several terrible illnesses. 20 years ago she would never have made it past her first week in the hospital. I recovered from a partially paralyzing injury from a surgery where probably again, 20 years ago, I would have never gotten the use of my arm back. I didn't have a stitch taken on the outside of my body and never felt the incision. Ten years ago I would have been hospitalized for two weeks, I went home in less than 2 days. Men walked on the moon. People can make phone calls from roller coasters on cell phones. Cameras regularly are carried up Mt. Everest. Still we seem to continue killing each other in the name of religion. Something, I might add, that went on regularly in the time of Christ and Mohammed. Something that went on during the so-called Crusades. We don't seem to get it.
This is a global society. We cannot escape that. The massacre in Tianamen Square affected the entire world. The Gulf War was fought in our living rooms. I do not pretend to know everything that is going on in the countries where this may have been planned and carried out. I do not understand how any rational person can believe this will change anything. It's ironic but if my memory serves, I seem to recall the parties who are rumored to be doing this sort of thing may be genealogically linked to the enemy they are acting against.
My grandmother, a bit of an activist in a time when women were not activists, deceased now for almost 30 years, lived in Detroit and for a time we lived in the duplex with her. I recall her regularly taking in Civil Rights people who passed through. She referred to them as her brothers and sisters. She also regularly commented when you abuse people in any fashion (she meant at the time segregation but it's applicable here) for who they are and what they believe, that is as bad as murder or worse because it is a murder of the spirit. Both has been done today; physical and spiritual murder.
I have spent a great deal of time in the past year or so in Gettysburg where Americans slaughtered each other wholesale and found much of what happened there distant and a bit incomprehensible. Yes, I understand that it was death and misery and was part of a trial that made this nation. But to actually get a feel for the reality of it, no. Well, tonight, as we face the potential modern day equivalent of Gettysburg, I understand the reality. And this will not destroy us. It will be a test, if you will but I think the people who pray for peace in this world will pass that test and prevail. Marian

----- Original Message -----
Subject: An Open Letter
To The Perpetrator:
Yesterday around this time I was well into my morning routine and as the first plane hit the World Trade Center I was congratulating myself on finishing things up early and having more time to work on my writing project for the rest of the morning. I did not get to write yesterday. I went to bed last night wondering what kind of individual gets up one day and begins to formulate a plan for the acts that took place yesterday. What did you intend to prove? What did you hope to achieve? Did you in your wildest imagination think that the world would rally to your cause whatever it may be?
We are told you are a Moslem fundamentalist in all likelihood and since yesterday I have heard people telling those of that faith that they wish they were dead. You must be very proud. You have single-handedly brought hatred upon millions of innocent people, most of whom condemn what you did. The Moslems I have known would never have condoned such acts. Do you honestly believe your God is rejoicing at what took place yesterday? YOU killed thousands of innocent people who did NOTHING to you. They played no part in whatever crime you think this country may have committed against you. Most if not all of them, would have probably bent over backward to help you if they saw you in distress on any street in this country. That is what Americans do. I do not profess to be the most religious person in the world, but any divine being, would not, could not endorse what you did. No doubt you told those who carried out your evil plan they would go straight to heaven upon completing the act. I have often said that I don't believe in hell, that we have our hells here on earth, and a merciful God would not send even the worst of His children to such a place. In your case I am sure an exception will be made and I fervently hope the scum who did this yesterday are already in that place.
Whatever your cause may be, you will NEVER achieve it. Yes, you have changed me and the rest of the world. We are sad and we are angry. We will probably never feel safe again. But we are strong and we are resolved. Sooner or later you will be found and brought to justice. I only hope that you not be put to death as apparently you value this. I hope you are made to live out your days looking at the pictures of your victims in conditions that are beyond miserable. There is no place in this world for you to hide. No place.
I woke up this morning thinking about the Pentagon. A year ago I drove by it on the way to Arlington Cemetery where this nation buries its most honored dead. It began as a cemetery during this nation's Civil War. On one monument words are carved to the effect that it is sweet and good to die for one's country. Most of the dead in that enormous place died in battle. They were fighting for something. Union. To liberate concentration camps. To bring liberty to the oppressed. They understood duty and honor. They did not enjoy what they did, but they did it because it was necessary. What you did a few yards away, literally, was in such opposition to those concepts that it is incomprehensible. They knew who their enemy was and why. How are we your enemy?
An English poet, John Dunne, wrote the following several hundred years ago:
��No man is an island, entire of itself, every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
We will never know what you have taken from us. Perhaps the person who might have cured cancer. Or might have come up with the solution that would have brought a permanent and lasting peace to the region you purport to represent. Yes, you have diminished us, but you have diminished yourself as well. We are Americans. We are all different, we are unique, but we are the UNITED States. And we are free, and will remain so. You may think you have accomplished something, you may even rejoice as we grieve, but remember this, you can kill us, but you will never destroy us. In the end, you are simply, nothing. Your little network of criminals will never, ever achieve what you may think you need to achieve because when you get up tomorrow we will still be here and we will go on.
God, whoever you may perceive Him to be, does not smile on your actions. Deal with that.
Marian
WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED

Starsinger
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 09:32:12 PM
IP: proxy-1482.public.svc.webtv.net

Damn, I forgot to talk about the link. Click on my name to see a wonderful little pic of Osama Bin Laden.
Sevarius Jr.
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 09:22:08 PM
IP: 66-44-92-23.s531.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

A tiny bit of levity, because it's sorely needed.

Crzy: <<SJ - Geez, and I thought I was a cold-blooded sonuvabitch... you SO win!>> Well, you just have to push the right button with me. Yesterday was my "cold-blooded sonuvabitch" button, hit repeatedly with a bit Acme-brand cartoon mallet. <<SIOFRA - I don't think we have to worry about SJ being the next Hitler.>> Thank you. <<Hitler was a very charismatic speaker and easily lured his people into following his psychotic delusions with tons of propaganda and promises.>> HEY! I'm good with propaganda and promises! But I do have trouble convincing you people to follow my psychotic delusions. I'm sure that has *nothing* to do with my charisma.

Fire Storm: <<Ok, now THAT was funny! (Sorry SJ, but it was!) >> Yes, it was. But again, there's nothing wrong with my charsima! <<George Bush: That guy has REALLY got to work on his speach giving! He is SO monotone! >> Tell me about it. I'm behind the guy, cause he's the Prez, but I'd rather see him frothing at the mouth like a rabid puppy than reading from cue cards. Makes you wish for Reagan, huh? <<Carolynn Marie: <"I'm ready to die a martyr so I can go to heaven and meet God"> Well then, by golly, let's give him a hand! >> Hey, like I said: they're already wearing bandages around their head, let's put them to good use!
And to be serious for a minute, I know you said yesterday that you live in a community with many people of Middle Eastern descent, and that you have friends in that community. I've heard random reports of some anti-Arabic backlash (people attacking cab drivers for Christ's sake), and I do pray that none of that mess touches you or your friends.

Patrick: <<And before I go, I just want to ask everyone to give a big Bronx cheer to all the greedy sons-of-(you know) who hiked prices at their gas stations to as much as $5 per gallon overnight to take advantage of the frightened public.>> Absolutely. I think I even heard Rudy talking about immediately arresting anyone who pulled that crap. Those people are the very kind of individuals for whom the phrase "Put the boots to 'em" was made. <<unless SJ is an illigitimate vegetarian painter from Austria, he is not Hitler.>> Of course I'm not. You all know my feelings on vegetarianism!
Sevarius Jr.
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 09:19:54 PM
IP: 66-44-92-23.s531.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

I can say without hesitation that I believe there MUST be some sort of retaliation made against the entities and/or nations responsible and complicit with this unprecedented act of terrorism. The President has literally called it an "act of war" against our country. There's no way we can just roll over and take it as we've done in the past. The time for passivity and diplomatic molly-coddling is over. When the Congress and the President act, I will be behind them 100%. And when we have defeated the enemy, I will join many of the others here in celebrating in the streets just like our grandparents did at the end of WWII.

Crzy > You inspired me. Just a short while ago, I went down into the basement and found the American flag that I've had stored down there since I moved. It's now out in front of my house. And I'm hoping to see some of my neighbors following suit very soon.
The freakiest new thing I learned today was that the plane that went down in PA had passed only a few miles south of downtown Cleveland before making it's u-turn back toward DC.

And before I go, I just want to ask everyone to give a big Bronx cheer to all the greedy sons-of-(you know) who hiked prices at their gas stations to as much as $5 per gallon overnight to take advantage of the frightened public. Luckily here we have ordinances against such things, and the police quickly shut the few offending stations down. Unfortunately, many localities do not have such laws... so if you find yourself in one, I encourage you to remember who the people are doing this, and tell everyone you know, as merchants like that do not deserve your business in the future. A pox on them all.
P.S. - unless SJ is an illigitimate vegetarian painter from Austria, he is not Hitler. :P
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 09:08:35 PM
IP: ac8654e4.ipt.aol.com

Greg> I don't feel as if an apology is necessary from you. Yesterday was something that none of us have ever experienced and a lot of people were showing raw emotion. I didn't take anything you said as being serious. I didn't have a fear or thought that you would actually carry through with whatever it was that you said should be done nor did I even consider that you would actually condone such behavior. *hugs*

Lain> <<jannie has an email (to which im sure i will receive an earful)>> you got that right, susie Q.

While painting, I listen to the radio and twice today they reported that there have been additional threats made for more terroristic attacks. (according to Intelligence reports) I have not had the opportunity to watch TV today - has anyone else heard this? I can't recall the exact wording, but something to the effect that they have good reasons to believe that this isn't over with yet and there's more to come - they just don't know where or when yet. Anyone also hear this?

*going back to painting*
Jan
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 08:55:54 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

Greg - Bravo. *Gives Greg B. a solitary standing ovation*
Gunjack Valentine
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 08:08:56 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Firestorm< LOL!!

Siryn< Good luck, my prayers going out to you!!!

*cracks her fingers* Off to the gym to swim a couple laps, then rest up for a biiiiig breakfast tomorrow. Gotta eat so I can donate blood in the afternoon. Ciao, guys.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 08:02:52 PM
IP: pc169-16.drew.edu

Siryn> As someone who had loved ones near the blast... and a cousin at ground zero (I learned that later), my thoughts go out to you. My loved ones are all okay, it took over 24 hours for me to learn that, and they were agonizing. I hope you hear news soon.

Also, I'd like to apolgize again for that rash statement I made yesterday morning. It was wrong and I make no excuses for it. But I didn't mean it at all, it was a very emotional time for me.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 07:46:12 PM
IP: dialup-64.152.167.181.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

Jenn> Re nations being punished: Yeah I know..and I support that to...I just don't want a war...someone mentioned why not offing North Korea as well as some other asian/ middle eastern countries...

Newsflash people...

MY PARENTS LIVE IN SOUTH KOREA!!! One of my good friends Joanne, (who emailed me Tuesday as soon as she heard the news to make sure I was alright) a native Korean, also is there.

If North Korea becomes a target...South Korea is in trouble.. :'( I am very worried about my entire family. My sister is in Boston, I'm in New York, and my parents are in Seoul....

*sigh* And..I spoke too soon, a friend of my sister and I is still unaccounted for in New York City. He just actually went up there for college. We're trying to get ahold of his parents to make sure he's okay...but we haven't been able to yet...so..please keep your fingers crossed for us. (He's my sister's best male friend, and she will be heartbroken if something were to happen to him. :( )

Siryn
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 07:33:11 PM
IP: roc-24-93-24-2.rochester.rr.com

wow gunjack.. i read your email and.. laughed my butt off.. the librarian was lookin at me funny.. stop turning into ME, its gettin kinda creepy..
; )
lain
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 06:37:30 PM
IP: 198.96.83.55

What happened in NY almost makes me re-think of the story arcs I plan on using that involves terrorism.
Almost.

Green Baron: <Also, we saved that nation from the Evil Empire in 1979>
Historicailly, Afganistan is the one country that NO ONE has been able to effectively hold. Even the GOVERNMENT of Afganistan can't keep the country under control.

SJ: <But give me a call before you do so, 'cause I want to be there to roast marshmallows on your burning skull.>
Agreed. I mean, talk about taking advantage of the situation!

CrzyDemona: <I don't think we have to worry about SJ being the next Hitler. Hitler was a very charismatic speaker and easily lured his people into following his psychotic delusions with tons of propaganda and promises>
Ok, now THAT was funny! (Sorry SJ, but it was!)

George Bush: That guy has REALLY got to work on his speach giving! He is SO monotone!

Warpmind: <And, of course, have some good(!) doctors at hand... for reviving the fucker every time he flatlines>
Let me work at him! I have... methods for keeping the brain and body alive.
The biggest problem is that the brain passes out after a while of constant torture and/or pain.

DavidG: Nice little transcript.
So far, there has only been civilians offering help, but not governements offering real help (repair, etc)

Carolynn Marie: <"I'm ready to die a martyr so I can go to heaven and meet God">
Well then, by golly, let's give him a hand!

In heaven:
Bin Ladan: I am here! God, I am here to serve you!
"God": Good, but I am not God. ("God" pulls off his costume and reveals himself to be the devil")
B: You arn't God! I demand to see God!
Satan: <Laughs manicailly for a few minutes> After all you have done and all your have killed, your deluded mind believes that you BELONG in heven? NO ONE that kills for HIS <Satan says with bitter hatred> and goes up there."
Fire Storm
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 06:33:19 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

*enters with chocolate cake, pre-sliced into innumerable pieces, and leaves it one the tea table of peace*

Help yourselves. just leave the little plastic garg candle holders, I only the one set.

Thanks again to you guys I IM'd with last night.
*hugs you all*
Lynati Kshudra
"it's not a very happy day, but I can eat my cheap sushi and pretend it is for just a moment..."
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 06:30:19 PM
IP: 205.184.255.204

Gah! Lain! Hang around a sec... I'm about to send an email in about 30 seconds...
Gunjack Valentine
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 06:06:25 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

everywheres pretty quiet up here, too. they held a candlelight vigil last night and are again tonight on the concrete beach outside the main building on campus. i think i might go.

david g>> gordon sinclair? i remember him.. hes a good guy (tm) *hugs* i know that a pile of canadian nurses and doctors jumped on the nearest availiable modes of transport and went down to help out. blood drives have been going on up here, memorials have been set up, cards and flowers brought, tears shed. even some churches have been kept open 24 hours a day so people can go and pray (though im sure you can guess, i wasnt one of those who went..) im going to try and overcome my paralyzing fear of sewing machines tonight, so i can make toys to donate faster. (im afraid of sewing my fingers, how much of a weenie does that make me?)
yeah.. if you guys go to war, well be there to help.. as usual..

revel>> damn straight you yanks should rebuild, and we (as canadians and citizens of the free world) should (IMO) help. that place wasnt called the "american trade centre," it was the WORLD trade centre. though the attack came on american soil, it wasnt just america that was attacked, but the entire sense of freedom had by the world. noone feels safe, anymore, and that isnt right. i was taught to value my freedoms, and value those who fought for them in the first place. like i said, it isnt right that people have had their sense of security shattered like that.

(see, now im starting to get angry.. imagine that, lains angry.. : P
i still aint callin for genocide, though..)

anyway, lest i start rambling again, i should go. maybe a first world war poem? its famous.. i was taught to recite it as a kid and i still know it from memory. heck, its on our money..

in flanders fields, the poppies blow,
between the crosses, row on row,
that mark our place: and in the sky
the larks, still bravely singing fly
scarce heard amid the guns below.

we are the dead. short days ago
we lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
loved and were loved and now we lie
in flanders fields.

take up our quarrel with the foe,
to you from falling hands we throw
the torch; be it yours to hold it high,
if ye break faith with we who die
we shall not sleep, though poppies grow
in flanders fields
- john mcrea, 1915

*hugs and exits*
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
up North
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 06:01:02 PM
IP: 198.96.83.47

Been busy the last twelve hours. My mom's brother also was supposed to be in the WTC, Building Two, for some business meeting. We didn't hear from him until five o'clock yesterday; turns out he missed his bus into the city, so he wasn't in his office when the plane hit, and was just getting there as they started the evacuation. He had to take refuge in a Starbucks when the building collapsed because of the debris flying down. It was pitch-black. Thank God he's alright; he's only 32 and he's got a wife and two little boys, aged 9 and 5.

<<<<Are you going to condemn all Christians because of the Inquisition, or because the Nazis were predominately Christian?>>: Yeah, probably. >>

It's attitudes like these that scare me.

Revel< Kudos to your pops. Work like that takes guts.

This is a terrible tragedy, yet I can't help but think, from the news I'm getting about the Russians and so forth from folks uniting together, that somehow there's a greater Master Plan involved ... I mean, when did you ever expect the Russians to actually agree with us on anything ... odd time for people to start getting along, but still...

Karen< Hey, welcome :) What's REALLY scary about Bin Laden is his quote in the Star-Ledger: "I'm ready to die a martyr so I can go to heaven and meet God", and this is his excuse for waging a stupid pointless war against Americans. D'oh.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 05:27:31 PM
IP: pc169-16.drew.edu

Here's something one of my friends just sent me.

I think down near the end, they transcribed "Technocracy" when they meant "Technology"

Topic: "The Americans"

The United States dollar took another pounding on
German, French and British exchanges this morning,
hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany.
It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this
Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the
least-appreciated people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to
read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River
and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to
help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the
Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich
bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no
foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan
and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who
poured in billions of dollars and forgave other
billions in debts. None of those countries is today
paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the
United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
was the Americans who propped it up and their reward
was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the
United States that hurries into help... Managua
Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far
this spring, 59 American communities have been
flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped
billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged
countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is
gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
build its own airplanes.

Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in
the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,
the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all international lines
except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other
land on earth even consider putting a man or women on
the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get
radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get
automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and
you find men on the moon, not once, but several times
... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and
the Americans put theirs right in the store window for
everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not
pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets,
most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian
laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at
home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they
will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell
with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the
Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign
dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake
apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000
times when the Americans raced to the help of other
people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced
to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked
around. They will come out of this thing with their
flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to
thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over
their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many
smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the
American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting
in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters .. with the year less than
half-over� has taken it all and nobody...but nobody...
has helped.

ORIGINAL SCRIPT AND AUDIO
COURTESY STANDARD BROADCASTING CORPORATION LTD.

(c) 1973 BY GORDON SINCLAIR
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 05:19:06 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

I would just like say a thank you amidst all this saddness to all of those who are posting in the CR for the first time to send their condolences. We all appreciate your support and hope you will continue to post in the hard weeks, months to come.
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 04:40:46 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Moderation in all things.

Gunjack Valentine
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 04:22:45 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

A very quiet day here, and most likely everywhere in the US.
My opinions- We will find someone responsable even if they are only partially and we will most likely burn them, but when things have settled and the dust has finally been cleared I think the most important thing we should do is what my friend John down the hall suggested. We should rebuild the Twin Towers. Rebuild them and make the first floor a memorial and a message to the world and all the SOBs out there who have wanted to see us hurt but never did it themselves, a message that says you can make us bleed and knock us down, but we will rise and we will stand because that is what we do.

That is my piece, my father is a firefighter for Houston and as horrible as it may sound I know that is the way he would want to go if it happened. He tells us all the time it could happen and risk is apart of the job, but I doubt that is any comfort to those families now.
Remember them, don't feel sorry for them.

Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 04:08:58 PM
IP: acab961d.ipt.aol.com

*enters briefly*
they were talking on the news last night about the possibility of it being the iraquis.. everyones finger seems to be pointing at bin laden, but what about the other big nasties out there? i still cant believe the people who did this are still running around, thumbing their noses, because noones figured out who they are yet..
i was afraid to go to bed last night, in case the world ended while i was asleep. : ( no fun.

i was going to say more, but there is a class coming in to use these computers. if i have anything else important to say, ill come back later.

jannie has an email (to which im sure i will receive an earful) and so does gunjack. others will follow if i have a chance to use a computer later today or tomorrow.
*hugs all gently and exits*
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
North..
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 03:45:44 PM
IP: jon.visual.arts.uwo.ca

*Warpmind enters, his face a grim mask of anger, grief and determination.*
Yes, for once, I've been paying a bit of attention to the news. And the news have not been good...

Or have they all been bad? Not too sure...

The loss of human life in this disastrous terrorist attack is, most likely, without any comparison. And from a slightly cynical point of view, the strategy behind the assault was nigh-impeccable (when you rule out the fact that the President is a Texan Republican, of course), and the results beyond what any might expect... but there any hint of admiration goes; sure, the fanatics who hijacked the planes were somewhat bright, but whoever orchestrated the whole deal? A gutless coward who, most likely, is cowering in a hole in the ground somewhere.

All-out war is not the answer; not conventional warfare in civilian areas, anyway. The way I see it, this is more of an assassin kind of task. What this calls for, after the guilty party has been verified with an acceptable amount of certainty (and I REALLY don't think the term "benefit of the doubt" is applicable in this case), send in a small squad of the very best snipers, scouts and camo experts, armed with a shitload of powerful downers and various fun chems and bioagents the CIA have been brewing in their basements for the past decades, and go for a live extraction. Then, give the mastermind a quick trial and have Wilek arrange a pay-per-view execution. And, of course, have some good(!) doctors at hand... for reviving the fucker every time he flatlines. I say, one death for every innocent civilian. And if those deaths have to come out of the same person... all the more worth it. (Medical technology today makes this possible, y'know.) Most likely, though, the guilty party will turn out to be some sort of commanding core, rather than a single individual, but still... There should be enough death penalties to go around...

*Sigh* I think I'm beginning to rant... Anyway, on the bright side - there was a broadcast of several presidents, prime ministers et cetera conveying their condolences today (Norwegian TV, getting feeds from the world, not a US station), and something cheered me up in a grim way. The Russians are, apparently, planning to push UN toward a REAL anti-terrorist campaign, with even more zeal in light of the past few days' events... this could be real good. Real good indeed...

Well... I think I should log off now... at least, it's relieving to see that everyone here seems physically fine... and I'll see you guys later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 02:59:27 PM
IP: mp-217-240-133.daxnet.no

Entity: Another difference between Hitler and Bin Laden is that Hitler (before the whole Holocaust really began) actually improved the lives of most of the German people and made Germany a strong nation.
Bin Laden, however... well, let's just say he hasn't really done anything positive for his country.

Karen
Bronx, NY, USA
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 02:41:35 PM
IP: ac971587.ipt.aol.com

Bin Laden the next Hitler? Come on. The guy's nothing. That's what makes this such an injustifiable, disgusting trespass. This wasn't war. This wasn't ideals. This was some idiot who thinks because we killed 200,000 in Hiroshima to end a world war that our victim started, that he, someone who had no involvement nor representative of anyone who had any involvement, can go and try killing 200,000 of us. Who the hell is he? He's a rich boy with a white towel that evidently has had nothing else to do with his life.
Entity
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 02:35:27 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

I climbed out into my garage today and pulled my flag out of the back of it... dusted it off... put it up. I am so ashamed that it was allowed to sit and get dusty in the first place. I sat and cried. I will not allow myself to become so complacent again.

SJ - Geez, and I thought I was a cold-blooded sonuvabitch... you SO win! In a way, I do agree... Are you old enough to remember when we bombed Kadafi? It's amazing how the terrorists back off when you bomb the crap out of their country and kill the leader's daughter in the process.

As for the bombs we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I believe that, in the end, dropping these bombs SAVED LIVES. I honestly think more lives would have been lost if the war had continued on the way it had. Yes, innocents were killed, but in the long run, many MANY more were saved.

JAN - My brother in law is okay. He was about 3 blocks away from the towers when the first plane hit, they ran to the roof to get a look at the action and got there just in time to see the 2nd plane hit. They immediately evacuated and were safely away from the area when the towers collapsed. WHEW!

and BTW, Jan, two thumbs WAY up on the rest of your post. ... I PROMISE... I will never forget.

SIOFRA - I don't think we have to worry about SJ being the next Hitler. Hitler was a very charismatic speaker and easily lured his people into following his psychotic delusions with tons of propaganda and promises. I think you have far more to worry about Bin Laden being the next Hitler then SJ. So do you want to let this bastard and his followers live to make good on their propaganda and promises? Heck, even HITLER didn't say that God would send you to heaven if you died slaughtered Jews. Bin Laden is a special type of fanatic that must be stopped before he grows even more powerful. Stop him now, before it takes the WORLD to stop him later. Understand?

SIRYN - I agree that an entire race should not be condemned. But I also agree that the entire NATIONS that condone and harbor these terrorists must pay as well as the terrorists themselves. Not the individual people... the governments.

Whew... what a day.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 02:17:22 PM
IP: 1cust234.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

I have always belive it is useless to argee aginst fanatics. Unfortanately that seems to encompass several people in this room.
<sigh> I have heard some amazing things over the past 12 hours. People calling for the nuclear obliteration of the Middle East, demanding an all out invasion of Afgahanistan, hell, someone even said that we should use our military might to declare "Pax Americana" and have every nation in the world under our power and paying tribute.
The US power has never come from military strength. We have responded, and responded with devestating power, certanly, but we have never set out to conquer, to pillage and to massacre. We have fought back aginst increadable odds and emerge scarred but victorious.
I am deeply disturbed by this sudden turn of barbarism. To call for justice, even vengance I can excuse, to call for a response to what can only be an act of war I can understand, but to call for genocide...not even gencoide, *xenocide*, the obilteration of everything that is *not* us I will never embrace or accept.
To argue that the only solution is to make the cost of terrorsim so high that no one would support it: they kill one of us, we kill 10 of them; they blow up a plane, we blow up a school; they destroy a building, we destoy a town...and after five years when bloodlust is sated and the bodies are being buried in mass graves and there are martyrs by the millions, what then?
At what cost our survival, if we burn the very principles that made this cournty great to gaurentee its security will it be worth it?
I support force, I support hunting down and destroying utterly any person connected with this and any other attack on US interests, and once the perpatrators are known we should and must devote all our resources to making sure that that group will never do anything like that again. This _cauterization_ is not only justified, but required. However, you do not cure an infection by shooting the paitent in the head, nor do you gain support by firing cruise missles and ICBMs into every nation that does not hold the same beliefs as you.
If we decide the latter options are what is necessary than they sound the death knell for this nation. For we will no longer be the land of the free and home of the brave, but rather a land bound by fear and cowardace. In the event that any legimate power decides that a terrorist war is the only solution, that peace can only come from the terror of our enemies, that mass death is the only response to an act by a small group of fanatics then I say we ignite this planet with nuclear fire and clense this infection that we call humanity from its surface, for at that point we will have lost our very soul and subcumed to the animal desires that we have struggled against for so many centuries.
This world requires constant vigalance, not revenge; defense, not proactive extermination. When we fight it must be because we are forced by circumstane to. This attack was an act of war and we must find and stop the people responsible. But the solution does not mean the obliteration of any people, religion, or region. To do so only means that we *do* support terrorism worldwide, just not upon ourself and our allies, for that willb e the path that we have chosen, the path of terror.
America is still the greatest nation in the world, and well will win through, with our soul and our principles intact, no matter the cost.

hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 02:14:19 PM
IP: pool-151-197-112-133.phil.east.verizon.net

Checking in ... everything's fine in Seattle but I must confess, I've been pretty nervous going to work downtown with a nice view of the Space Needle and right near all the evacuated buildings. Been some conflicts within the agency; one faction wanted us to lock the TV rooms and not let the residents know what's been going on in the world. How dumb is that? Like they wouldn't find out the minute they stepped outside, unless we're to trank 'em and strap 'em into the bargan. Needless to say, we didn't opt for that idiotic plan.

I wasn't able to get here yesterday but now that I've had a chance to read what people have been saying, I find myself torn.

On the one hand, I am a firm believer in consequences, punishment, retaliation, and yes, even eye-for-an-eye revenge. On the other hand, I don't like seeing many suffer for the deeds of a few. Especially when some of those many might have nothing to do with it and no opinion on the matter.

But on the third hand (I'm doing my Dr. Octopus impression here), I don't want to see just a few ringleaders made into martyrs ... so that would mean having to make a very drastic action. On the fourth, I'm afraid of what will happen, how it will escalate, after such a strike-back.

Can we really hit so hard that no one will be left to perpetuate the cycle? I doubt it. There's always another group in another place, inspired to their own insane and horrific goals. And when we're dealing with fanatics, the sort of people who willingly die in a blaze of what they consider glory, it might not matter to them how many others of their own people go out too.

I'm heartsick and horrified. But at the same time, some of the survival stories, some of the heroism stories, and the news that so many of our own are well and okay, fill me with relief and hope. At the very least, if this can help pull our country and others together, it's some consolation.

Very tired now ... it's been an amazingly long week and it's not over yet. I hope my ramblings from my weary brain are expressed clearly enough to make sense.

Fortune be with you all.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:48:03 PM
IP: 19-158.075.popsite.net

I agree with Sevarius Jr. completely.

Under normal circumstances, the desire for revenge leaves a hollow, sickening feeling in my gut. But I'm only getting that feeling now when I try to accept mere "justice" as an answer. Folks are quoting Goliath, saying that we need to heed what we preach through being fans of the show.

This is different. It isn't about justice OR revenge. It is about, as Sevarius says, making it STOP. By any means necessary. ANY means. And it isn't about the big bad US killing whoever it needs to to assure its own safety. This isn't about patriotism. I'm not even going to say it is about humanity, or the civilized world, or democracy.

It is about LIFE.

We need to go into Afghanistan and, by force, seize Ben Laden and all those who support him or aide him. If Afghanistan doesn't agree with this, then we CRUSH Afghanistan. We come in and we CRUSH it, forever. Then we EXECUTE Ben Laden, and we take our people and leave.
Entity
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:45:38 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

I don't mind that I'm being called Hitler. This will really horrify you, what I'm about to say: if at the end of the day, my country is safe because these assholes are dead, by my hand if need be, than that is perfectly acceptable to me. Stop with the bleeding heart act. I think most of you realize that it's going to require eliminating massive amounts of their people, maybe even innocents, before this will stop (I'm not actively talking about genocide, but if annihilation is the answer, than that's that).

Some of you keep repeating "Do we want to go down to their level? We shouldn't go down to their level." Did you not read what I wrote yesterday? We want to go one step BEYOND. Because that is what gets the job done. Again, I use the example of Japan, because it works so well. The Japananese bombed us in Pearl Harbor, then engaged in a bloody campaign with us in the Pacific. How did we ultimately respond to them? We nuked them. Two whole cities, GONE, in a heartbeat. Human beings turned into ash. Others left nothing but bone. Japanese men, women, and children turned into nothing but shadows on a wall. Horrible, but it got the job DONE. That is what needs to be done now. We respond in such a way that they don't dare to raise a hand against us again, ever, or the run the risk of extinction.

Oh, and a note to all of you unscrupulous gas-station owners / managers who are price gouging now because of the crisis: Please douse yourself with some of that five dollar-a-gallon gas you're selling, and light a match. But give me a call before you do so, 'cause I want to be there to roast marshmallows on your burning skull.
Sevarius Jr.
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:54:47 AM
IP: 66-44-69-121.s375.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

OK, I REALLY hope eveyones ok. This has been compleatly unreal. Like I herd about it during classes but it realy didnt sink in till I saw those buildings colapsing on TV...well in any case, I'm glad I've seen most of your posts and know your ok, and for some reason it seems sort of odd to post regular posts today, but I wont be cak to post in a while and I dont want to fall behind...

Gside> <> I've had butterfly stiches in my knee, but no needles....Oh wait! I have had stiches! When I got one of my wisdome teeth pulled out! I HAVE lived! :P <<Had many in my time, and I get to blame my father for it.>> And I get to blame my dad for my bad knee...that and having big hips O.o <> Ah! Maps! OK! :P <<Virginia Beach.>> hmmm...*pulls out HER mental map, which is proabably quite out dated as well* :P

Sevarius Jr.> <<Why thank you!>> lol yer welcome! <> LMOL <<But, in your honor, I have decided to include TONS OF ENTERTAINMENT INFORMATION!!! >> YEY!!! Thanx!!! *HUGZ and reads* Hey, do you know if they're ever gonna make new Batman Beyond eps?

Josh> <<If they're good at being wicked, they can rest plenty.>> ....and whats the fun in that? :P <<Actually, its proof that you just can't read it. No one else has any problems picking up on my sarcasm.>> lol I ment MY ironc remarc! Oh nm! <<You must be defective.>> Yes, in so many ways :P <<Virginia Beach, VA...not too far from FL, actually...>> hmm, I wonder if we get vacation time at the slave camp that is Disney :P <<The Island of Enchantment and Sea Loving?>> lol no, sea in love, as in in love with the island <<Obviously your spelling class wasn't rivetting enough.>> OBVIOUSLY! :P But I see you might know a little spanish, so why dont I type my posts to you in spanish and avoid my typos all together? Or why dont YOU type in spanish and I can poke fun at you awhil, hmmm? ;)

Dubble!!!! *HUGZ* You went to Greece?! Se, someone else who got to leave! :P Hope it was fun! We miss you at the Tavern too ^_^

Emambu> <<But how have YOU been doing, oh mighty princess of PR, o holy Queen of Typos? Haven't heard from you in a good while.>> I know, I've missed you! *HUGZ* I've been good, buisy buisy too, but good buisy ^_^ <<That sounds like something out of those travel brochures.>> LOL its actualy a line out of a poem, but i think it could work!...tho I donno, Corta Rica's will be hard to beat :P

Winterwolf> << Are you taking anymore Japanese classes>> Hai! ^_^ it goes slow, but I'm getting there :P You seem to know japanese, have you taken lessons too? Oh and congrats on your new lil nephew! ^_^ I'm glad you and yours are safe too

Dreamie> << Thanks ^_^>> Your Welcome :)

OK everyone Calm down, keep cool and keep safe. It wont do at all to let our anger and frustrations get the best of us. I love you all! *HUGZ and leaves*
Caliope
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:27:16 AM
IP: 136.145.83.198

"The only good Muslim is a dead muslim?"

Yes...just like the "Only good Jew is a dead Jew" I think I remember that from the Holocoast. Oh..and while we're at it..lets grab a bunch of protestants and burn them at the stake, and lets crucify all those Christians...or better yet..feed them to the lions!

Last night I sat down to dinner with my friends, and when we prayed, I also asked for us to pray for the innocent people in Afgahnestan. (yes..innocent people)

There's still no sign of who did this, but nomatter WHO did it...you shouldn't judge an entire race, culture, or religion of people based on the actions of a few.

I know we're all angry, hurt, afraid, upset, and some of us have seen things that we thought we'd never see, experience horrors and losses we never thought we would experience...but that's no reason to condem people like this.

I mean...didn't the show GARGOYLES teach you anything?!

About Eliza Maza being a human Goliath could trust? That we shouldn't judge people on what they are, but WHO they are?
I mean, Demona and Iago showed there were bad gargoyles as well as good.

And for the record of the American soldier standing over the corpse of an 8 year old child, that is just sick. Because an american child, a british child, a german child, a chinese child, etc, ALL have the capability of being cold blooded killers, ALL of us. Especially the words today in this chatroom prove it. We ALL have that capability, but not ALL of us go and do things like this.

I have lived all over the world, my two best friends when I was in grade school were Polish and Muslim. I for one will NOT hate or condemn any society based on the actions of the few, bigotry, ignorance, and hatred cause people to do things that we saw on Tuesday.

If we start a mass genocide because of this, we're no better than those who killed all those poor people.
Siryn
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:23:40 AM
IP: roc-24-93-24-2.rochester.rr.com

I post as Madoc, since I feel more like him in this current state.

First, I psot condolences to Barbara Olsen, a famed media figure and Clinton critic who was killed in this attack. Yet another Clinton enemy killed. Makes me think.

Lain> I understand your comments, though it will be a while before I forgive you for calling me a coward. Jerk!! :p

However, I do not change how I feel about Palestine. Their celebration of the attack shall not go unpunished. And as far as I am concerned, the Palestinians are not a legitimate state and their mission is the destruction of Israel.

And if I am ordered to cut soemone's throat, I will. I will also poison the wells of Palestinian communities if I am ordered to, though I am really not qualified for the front line, since it took me over 10 times to qualify with my M16A2 rifle.

Call me what you want. I understand your beliefs and I still love you, but I won't agree with you.

Sevarius, Jr> I also call for teh elimination fo nations, but some of them are allied with us, like Turkey, which is more westernized. Kuwait is also our allay. Hussein is not particularly religious, but we can get him, too. The same goes with Iran. Saudi Arabia is more of a traecherous weasel than a fanatic and we can use dollar diplomacy with them.

Afghanistan is possibly easier to solve. The talibnans have a major rival. Thsi rival is probably more progressive than the Talibans and we should allay with this faction and help them take over Afghanistan and deliver Bin Laden's head to us. I don't want Bin Laden tried in the US. Muslims are better at punishment, and I suspect the Taliban's rival is muslim. Also, we saved that nation from the Evil Empire in 1979. Let's save them from another evil today.

I do not want a holy war against Muslims. We should use the divisions and factions in that part of the world to our advantage. Also, the two places I can be sent to are palces where American soldiers have been defending muslims_yes muslims_ from Milosevich and his evil. I only wish Milosevich was tried under an Islamic Court and not a Western one.

Imzadi> Actually, Los Angeles is a godo target for these terrorists. Los Angeles has a large Jewish population that the fanatics would love to kill, plus there are lots of westernized muslims in a city so diverse that are seen as traitors by the Taliban types.

Cat> Well, those who celebrate the attack on our soil are fools and should be killed for their stupidity.

Pearl Harbor> Peral Harbor never bothered me. Japan bombed it as an act of Imperialism, and I a moderate supporter of imperalism. Howver the act was doen before a declaration of war was given, which greatly horrified Admiral Yamamoto. I don't see that as personal, just war. This is personal. In war, non-military targets are not to be hit. And as for killing children, they will grew up to bomb us so let's stop the cycle now. The only ones to be spared are babies. They can be very easily Westernized with their new adoptive American parents.

Fire Storm and Lady Mystic> I bet they might be a target too. They could be veiwed as Western traitors,a nd so could Turkey. I have a friend in Istanbul, too.

While America is gung-ho with kicking butt in the Middle East, we can take out some other foes while we're at it.

China> I doubt they'd do it. America is too useful to the Communist Dynasty for them to attack. They wouldn't have access to our technology, then.

North Korea> They're a basketcase. Thye are a rogue nation, but not likely to have a part.

Cuba> I'd love to link them, but its doubtful. Maybe we can take them over to practice our fighting skills :)

Yooper> I agree with you about Muslims. Only a fratcion of 1% are trouble. The muslims in the US joined us to escape the likes of Bin Laden and they have more freedom in America than where they used to live.

Welcome to the CR, fellow conservative. If you check the archives, I made Fieger a villain.

Now, I'm off again. Good night and God Bless America
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:23:23 AM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

** Niamhgold enters **

I feel bad. Yeah, I'm not debilated by all of this, I didn't go to the candlelight vigil last night (it would be wrong, seeing as how I haven't practiced any sort of religion for the past ten years), I'm still going to class and doing my work, etc. But I went to donate blood yesterday and got turned away because of my weight, and all I could think was that it's just not fair. I can't really help out, even though a lot of this stuff went down two miles from home. As it is, hospitals in DC are full to capacity and less-critical persons are being moved here to Baltimore. The momentary rioting has stopped, thankfully, and no one I know has gotten hurt by this.

The tension was briefly broken yesterday, though, when they mentioned Canada was shutting down its airports, and everyone laughed.

Does anyone know for sure yet if the bombings in Afghanistan were caused by us?

Argh. Time for replies:

The Man: Was there ever any doubt? <Here's the effects of it in my area: all the federal buildings are closed, SFO is being evacuated> Best of luck to you and your family...and anyone else in LA, seeing as how half of the hijacked planes were headed in that direction. My worries? That not only was DC targeted, but that those b@stards were in Boston, _my_ Boston. Probably some of them still *are*. <HELL YES its okay to torture ANYONE to get the information that would save thousands> I completely and utterly agree! You kill people and _their_ families, you'd better be ready to suffer the consequences. Turnabout is fair play. <had an apartment with an amazing view of the World Trade Center...> That really sucks. As of yesterday, all the paintings and drawings that my friends and I have done of the NYC skyline are out-of-date. Sucks bigtime. Like some sort of freakish Planet of the Apes thing, but at least they didn't hit the Statue of Liberty. <Or what if its a plot by pro-military republicans to jump start military spending?> You read my mind. My roomate kept telling me to "shut up" when I was blabbing how this could possibly be an attempt at distraction, or a way for Bush to improve his popularity/military support. Or even an attempt for Wall Street to get going again. After all, one of the biggest economics booms in history was right after WWII. <Oh, I'll help develop strategies, etc> You're probably best doing that. Just make sure to take over the world soon, won't you, so we all won't have to fear these "terrorists" much longer? ;) <Yeah, I'm shocked by it, but I'm gonna go on living my life just as I do every day> Then call me callous, too. I'm not going to emotionally nor physically shut down because of this. I'm going to continue to make dirty jokes, going to play poker with my friends, still going to write my short story on cloning and world domination for Narrative. And if anyone yells at us for it? Blah to them. <I'll never be able to get a laptop on a flight again> I wonder if I'll ever be able to get on a _flight_ again. <POINT!> Heh, and proof that life goes on ;) <There's a trailer!?> Yeah...I really dont' know where he got it (said it was a friend named "Zach"), but it's pretty long, pretty good. Probably should be seeing it mainstream in a few weeks to a month or so. <Who?> Uh, sorry...I *butchered* that name. Ugh. Christopher Walken ;) I'm not sure if they haven't mentioned his name in the casting credits yet because they don't want to give away the bad guy, or if it's just some kid's joke at messing with the faces. <and kills Jar Jar just to appease his fans> ** Prays ** <Hey, if its keeping me from getting sex, then I need to worry> True...but then a temper is a sign of passion, and everybody *loves* that ;) <That was there PRECISELY because I knew you would say that> And let me add that you also don't know ME well ;) <Actually, all that's required for a volatile mix is "woman"> Then that should inform you of a lot. Nitroglycerin meets supernova.

Actually...crap, that one response took about eight years to write, and, seeing how I'm in comp animation at the moment...I gotta go.

Adios!
Niamhgold
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04:52 AM
IP: 206.41.206.163

Imzadi: <Tanks won't help. We need bombers>
Fine. 20 minutes.
Fire Storm
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:53:53 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

SJ: Not only will it disgust Lain, but myself and many others. I won't even fully post in reply to what you have said yet. Your proposal sickens and disturbs me and I am greatly thankful that not every American is thinking like that at this time. Yes, something needs to be done, and yes, I am in support of using force. But wiping out entire nations that may not have had anything to do with this is sick. The last thing we need is someone like you trying to be the next Hitler...
Siofra
MI
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:43:51 AM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

As the knee-jerk and emotionally driven responses fade away and we're left to deal with what has happened to our country and to mourn the dead and pray for the injured, I received this email today.

PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN

Dear World,

I'm the guy who sends you grain when your crops fail, and drinking water when
your rivers, streams, and lakes dry up.

I'm the guy who sends hordes of rescue personnel, trucks, and helicopters to
aid you when you suffer earthquakes, floods, and mudslides.

I'm the guy who sends in my sons and daughters to "keep the peace" when you
can no longer do so.

When those relief workers ration out that rice- I probably helped pay for it
by working a job that I really hate.

When that Blackhawk helicopter hoists your parents to safety from the roof of
your flooded house, it's because I paid for it with my U.S. tax-dollars.

When those PeaceCorp members dig that irrigation ditch to help your little
farming village, it is with my backing and my blessing.

And when your neighbor threatens you and your way of life, more often than
not it is I who stand up and make him back down.

But I wept today..

I wept for thousands of fellow Americans whom I will never know...

I wept for hundreds of brave firemen, policemen, and paramedics who perished
while heroically doing their duties...

I wept for 244 airline passengers who never reached their destinations...

Saddest of all...I weep with the knowledge that I will forever be looking
over my shoulder...

I weep for innocents lost...

I weep for innocence destroyed...

I weep for naivete' shattered...

But soon I will weep no more...

I will dry the tears from my eyes...

I will wipe my runny nose...

I will tighten my belt, and lace up my boots..

And I will sharpen my knife...

I will dry my powder...

and I will oil my weapon..

And as I do so, I will look, and I will listen..

I will note the kind word, the shared grief, the shocked condolences...

I will appreciate the support, and be ever grateful for any and all aid
offered...

But I will also note the gloating, the laughter, the jeers, and the perverse
joy...

And I will remember...

I am an American...

I am resourceful...

I am determined...

and I never forget...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That pretty much sums it up for me.

David> thank you :) You took the words right out of my mouth.

Josh> you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel to compare the celebration of the end of a war to what the pigs were doing in the streets yesterday. That is no where near the same - and I really thought you, of all people, would know that.

I don't want war. I don't want my son drafted and sent to kill other people. I don't want anyone else to have to experience that either.
I don't fear that the government will just start shooting first and ask questions later. They will search out and destroy those responsible - but only after they are 110% sure of who did this. I don't want any innocent lives to be taken, but unfortunately it's going to happen. My heart says that enough lives have already been taken, but the realistic side of me knows that more will be shedded.
This is a tragedy and unfortunately it's not over with yet.

Crzy> did you find out any information on your brother-in-law or friend?
Jan
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:40:35 AM
IP: modem17-73.mo-net.com

This is a post that will surely disgust lain.

Look....I've watched this almost all night, and most of the morning. I got maybe 4 hours sleep last night, and none of it fitful. I've watched both planes crash into both of the World Trade Center towers. I've watched them pull bodies out of the rubble (thankfully there are some survivors, mainly police and firefighters caught in the wreckage). I've seen, over and over again in images that will surely haunt some part of my brain for the remainder of my life, people jumping hundreds of feet to their death in order to save themselves from burning alive. I've seen elementary-school children in Palestine, wearing American designer jeans, stomping on American flags and cheering as if they just won the muthafucking Superbowl. And I've seen King Raghead himself, Osama Bin Laden, get in front of a camera and say that while he has nothing to do with it, he praises the terrorists for their actions. Right.

I have come to a rational decision, one that I spouted yesterday in my anger but I return to again with great calm and understanding. Retribution must come from this. But not in the way that some are asking for. We can not be content with the demise of just Osama Bin Laden, and his associates. This is the point where the cold, humanity-deficient machine of warfare goes into effect.

We must take out countries. Not just individuals. Nations. "Oh, that's horrible, how could you suggest something like that?!" Because when the death toll here is finally counted, there will be tens of thousands of casualties. We are dealing with people who will never learn that screwing with the USA is a bad thing. We are dealing with fanatics who are so indoctrinated with insane religions that they believe that they will become martyrs by dying killing Americans.

You can not use rational thought to deal with animals.

These people have bandages on their head already, let's actually put them to good use.

Let us demand that these countries (and we know who they are. Namely, Afghanistan, and Palestine, and Iraq, and a few others) give us their terrorists, such as Bin Laden. If they don't comply, we bomb them. And I mean, we bomb the whole country. We destroy the whole country. And even if they comply? We bomb the country anyway.

Afghanistan should be our first target, followed by Palestine, if we just don't go ahead and let the Israelites do what they've wanted to do ever since the first camel-fucking Palestinian suicide-bombed an Israelite civilian, and that's wipe out Arafat and every of Palestinian who dares look at them funny. After that, we go down the list. The Middle East problem will not ever go away if we do anything other than totally annihilate these people.

And right now, for those of you out there who are disgusted with what I'm saying right now, who think it's too outrageous or extreme, who think it's deplorable that I'm advocating the killing of children.....I say look at the footage in Palestine. The 10 year old Palestinian child cheering over the death of tens of thousands of Americans will be, in a few short years, the Palestinan soldier who does this exact same thing to us in a future. Don't delude yourself into thinking that that won't happen, because it will. The time to move is now. If not today, than with a few days from now.

I will not be happy until I see American soldiers standing over the smoking corpse of an 8 year old Afghanistan.

World War 3? Maybe. Perhaps even probably. For everything there is a season. We are in season of death. We must now enter a season of war.
Sevarius Jr.
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:28:10 AM
IP: 66-44-69-121.s375.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Oracle:Thank-you for the clarification reguarding the Nostrodomus predictions,it is a nice weight off my mind.It saddens me that people would resort to such trickery at a time like this.

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:26:03 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Nostrodomus never said that. Its turned into a big hoax by someone and everyone freaking out that what Nos. said is true. This as another version being sent around:

In the city of god there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb. The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.

From another friend with another EM:
nine months after the new century of the millenium the world will
be at war with each other and the fire will rain down from the sky at a 45
degree angle and the war will begin while the city burns. Nostridarius or
whatever his name is...For many... this year was the new year of the
century...not last year...very scary...this is the ninth month and the plane hit
the building at a 45 degree angle.

heheh...Nosttridarius. *giggle* O_o achem..anyway.

Nostrodomus' correct predictions are here if you want to view them. *click*
Oracle
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 09:54:20 AM
IP: mke-65-29-130-252.wi.rr.com

Fleur:I saw that Nostradamus 1654 A.D prediction,a friend of mine had it emailed to him,it's scary stuff and I hope it doesn't come to pass.

BTW check your email.

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 09:32:26 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Josh> (And maybe some other people) I have to make one little clarification here. At the end of WWII Americans danced in the streets because a terrible, world engulfing war was OVER. They were celebrating the end.

People dancing in the streets of Palastine couldn't have been celebrating the end unless they were terribly stupid. They were either celebrating the fact that there was about to be a war, or the fact that someone just killed a lot of American civilians.

That's a bit different.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 08:31:37 AM
IP: adsl-65-65-211-80.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net

Sorry for the double post, but I just got this - it's a prediction made by Nostradamus, apparently detailing the start of the big ugly third war. Since he's a character in TGS, I'm hoping there's somebody here who can confirm/deny that he did say this.
In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
two brothers torn apart by chaos,
while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb.",
"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning."
"on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds would crash into two tall statues...in the new city... and the world will end soon after" - Nostradamus 1654 A.D

Fleur
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 08:24:28 AM
IP: proxy3.mel.pacific.net.au

When sky is blue, and sun is bright, adore it
When there is happiness to be found, look for it
Appreciate your fortune, you talents, your gifts and your health
For a moment, recognise the true measure of your wealth.

For we are not invincible, nor immune to death
We are blessed anew each time we take a breath
Be greater than your rage and fear, be stronger than your pain
And LIVE, in memory of those who will not breathe again.

The shock is gone, and my knee-jerk reaction of KILL THE ****s! has faded. I just wish there was something I could do to help.

I wonder how many people went home tonight and hugged their loved ones extra hard? I wonder how many parents are watching their children sleep right now, just to reassure themselves of what they haven't lost? I wonder how many candles have been lit, how many prayers have been said? Walking around uni today, I saw people from every race and religion comforting each other. Driving past the American Consulate, I saw hundreds of flowers in front of it. The entire WORLD is grieving with America, don't let those stupid celebrating morons fool you. We're aching right along with you, and in a hundred different languages, to a dozen different gods, we're praying for you.

Somebody asked why America hadn't fought back yet. I hope you don't, not until every person still trapped in the WTC is rescued. _That_ is the priority, not retribution. Pride is nowhere near as important as lives. Avenge the dead when you've saved the living.

It's good to see so many old friends back here, 'specially you Deuce! *hugs* Goes to show that even when we leave, we don't leave our 'clan'.

Lain> I think you were unnecessarily harsh on SJ, Spacebabie and Green Baron. You may not have agreed with them, but you had no right to insult them, and as an Admin, you should have known better.

Wilek> >If I can have Christmas early this year, I want those *things* on my doorstep, bound and gagged< And I'd like to watch what followed...

SJ> > Here's hoping that the Canadian army is secretly composed of a bunch of short, hairy, potty-mouthed, cigar-chomping, adamantium-laced-skeleton wearing guys with odd haircuts< *grins for the first time* We can only hope.

Traveler> >The terrorists involved in this were outfucking-standing. You have to admit that.< Yeah. Which is probably the most terrifying thing of all. If there's a terrorist threat, I want them to be stupid.

Ray> >A prayer of peace and rest for all the Elisa's, Matt's, Sara's, Officer Morgan's and Capt Chavez'z who risked their lives today.< Well said.

Gunjack> >An entire planeful of people couldn't overcome a bunch of guys armed with KNIVES!? Does anyone else see a problem with that?< I know, it seems insane, but I doubt very much if they were told what was going to happen to them, well, the WTC ones at least. They were probably still sitting in the back of those planes, thinking everything would be okay if they didn't provoke the terrorists, when they crashed into the towers. :(

Josh> >Talk to the writers for The Man Show or Dennis Miller Live. They're good with expletives.There is a fine line between religion and cult...and that line is frequently crossed< Too true. >No, YOU can't justify it. These people don't think like you.< For which I am eternally grateful. I guess it was just the scientist in me, looking for reason, a nice logical explanation. Stupid inner scientist, looking for something that just isn't there.

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 07:34:30 AM
IP: proxy1.mel.pacific.net.au

Good morning, America

_Good_ morning? This sounds strange after what happened yesterday. I'm normally not one to comment on anything that happened in the States, but in this special case I have to make an exception.

Let me tell you that we are with you in this time of terror. This was, regardless of the target, NOT an attack against the USA, it was a terroristic attack against all free, democratic countries in this world. Thus spoke Tony Blair, and other leading politicians in Europe agreed on
that. We mourn with you.

But now let's not over-react on that. I can fully understand everybody who calls for revenge now, but I don't think it'd be a wise idea. I'm not suggesting to 'offer the left cheek now that the right cheek has been hit', to freely quote the bible, for such a non-reaction would encourage terrorists all over the world. But neither can I accept the call for 'an eye for an eye' - I fear that any rash reaction will cause even more grief. To cite Goliath: "Your thirst for vengeance has only created more sorrow."

Of course, the USA should not ignore this attack, but we should not call for vengeance but for justice. If we find out who's behind this attack, that single person or organisation should be brought to swift justice. I know
that thousands of innocent civilians were killed in New York.

I might sound a bit cynical here, but for the firefighters who died when the tower crashed this risk was a part of their job. They had to expect everything. I'm a (voluntary) firefighter too, and I know that every time I get an
alarm, every time I go out to an emergency it can be my last. I accepted this when I volunteered. But those workers in the WTC - they never expected any risk like this coming from their work.

Now, does the death of innocent workers justify the death of a single innocent civilian at whatever place the attack came from? I think not.

"'Every life is precious.' Take care not to become what you fight against. Vengeance begets nothing but a vicious cycle of further vengeance." This quote from the show needs no further comment I think.

May the future bring justice and peace.

Andre "Guandalug la'Fay" Meiske - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 05:26:50 AM
IP: nx7.hrz.uni-dortmund.de

It has been some time since I have posted to this board, or, for that matter, felt comfortable in doing so. But today is obviously a very different day from any other. I wanted to check and see how everyone I know from old has been doing, and I am gladdened to see so many people are safe. I pray that everyone checks in all right. My heart goes out to all those who has been touched by this awful tragedy. Make sure to talk to those you love. Take care, each of you.
Damien
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 05:23:05 AM
IP: lando-58.flexabit.net

Whoa. That's a lot of posts.

Okay where to start? My day, I guess. I woke up bright and early because I wanted to meet with my TA about my mechanics homework. I went in and wound up helping a bunch of students. I guess this proved to her that I really do know what I'm doing, I just got stumped.

Then I ditched math lecture. Why? Because we were learning about vectors. I don't know how many of you are engineers, but why does it seem like every class that involves vectors has an entire section devoted to them!? In TWO-SPACE, no less!? I've learned about vectors twice a year for the last five years. Enough already!

So then I got home and got a message from my mom to call her and help her setup AOL. Apparently, since I moved the AOL folder, the alias in the launcher got lost. Weird system; sometimes it loses the original and sometimes it doesn't. So I walked her through that. It worked exactly as expected. My mom complained that the laptop was making a horrible buzzing sound...sounded to me like it was just the hard. I realized later that it was the fan. If my mom overheats that sucker, I am NOT paying for it. Also irritating: I have to WRITE to Apple to change the owner of the warranty, I can't do it over the phone. There goes $0.34

My friend Vinay got HIS dual-800 machine today, so we've both got pretty sweet towers now. He'll be running a developer build of OS X on it, a blazing fast piece of work if I do say so myself.

And then I started dealing with this whole bombing sh*t. Here's the effects of it in my area: all the federal buildings are closed, SFO is being evacuated, some schools are open.

Mayor Gulianni says "There's no reason to panic." No reason to panic!? If MY city was being kamikazied by passenger planes, I'd be scared shitless!

The first day of my Ethics class last semester, we discussed our own ethical boundaries. The first question was: If you knew a terrorist had planted a bomb, would it be acceptable to torture that terrorist to find out where it was? Most of the class answered yes. Then the Prof asked if it would be acceptable to torture the terrorists infant child to get the information. Only a few people (including yours truly) answered in the affirmative. Naturally we all got dirty looks, but that's what we felt. HELL YES its okay to torture ANYONE to get the information that would save thousands. Torture the terroist's kid. Torture his pregnant wife. I don't f*cking care. If you have the gall to be a terrorist, then you need to know that you're not just in it for you. You're dragging your entire world into it: family, friends, nation. You've got to be willing to risk it all. You have to believe that strongly in your cause if you're gonna be free to kill others.

I guess next we're gonna start bombing countries that are known to harbor terrorists. It probably isn't legal, but its certainly justified. If they don't want to have extradition treaties, so be it. Suffer the consequences, you self-righteous sons of b*tches.

My cousin (the guy that just landed the cushy lawyer job in NYC) had an apartment with an amazing view of the World Trade Center...guess it just lost a few points on the market.

What if, just hypothetically, we discover that this wasn't the work of a Middle Eastern terrorist organization? What if it was planned here at home, by more white trash wrestling fans who don't want to pay income tax? Or what if its a plot by pro-military republicans to jump start military spending?

I don't understand why we haven't done anything yet. America always boasts that "we will not bow down to terrorists" and the like. We're a proud people Something on someone else's soil should have already blown up by now. Like that celebration in the Middle East.

As my away message says, I'll be pondering ways to avoid the draft. I'm good at evasion. I'm not going to fight for this. Oh, I'll help develop strategies, etc. But I'm not a soldier. I won't hold a gun against anyone. As Chris Rock said "so call me a faggot! At the end of the war, I'll be the faggot with two legs!" My other plans involve running to Canada (I have cousins who will house me there) or cutting off my right index finger (millions of women will be bummed, but they'll live).

There's an saying from Star Trek: War is good for business. Who knows, maybe this will jump start the economy. I bet the funeral homes are jumping up and down...

Too all the people in NYC and Washington, I'm glad you're alright. To everyone else, I hope you didn't have any friends/family that were hurt/killed. All of my friends and family are safely accounted for.

Anyone opposed to starting a betting pool on the total number of casualties? My money is on 11,289.

Anyone who thinks I'm not callous...you're wrong, and this event proves it. Yeah, I'm shocked by it, but I'm gonna go on living my life just as I do every day. I won't have any trouble sleeping. I don't feel ill. I'm fine.

I'll never be able to get a laptop on a flight again.

The only thing about this that really bothers me is the thousands of children whose parents didn't come home from work today. As much as I don't get along with my parents, I don't think I could handle that kind of a shock.

This whole thing is just begging for a garg fic to be written about our favorite heroes in NYC during the evening after the attack.

We need more armed US Air Marshals on flights.

I made almost no progress toward my goal of getting ahead. I got only one assignment done tonight, in the last 45 minutes before my anti-homework curfew. I still have two more that are due Friday...I'm never gonna get through two weeks by Sunday. I spent all day watching the news.

On to replies!

Mandolin: <<We've got a router with a USB port, thank you very much>>: I know, I was just kidding around. <<you could have bumped off one of the Pink Rangers>>: But the original pink ranger was so hot! <<or that other Yellow one who's apparently doing borderline porn now>>: Really? I'll have to get ahold of that. <>: Its hard to program without logic. <<Can't she take a joke?>>: Only if its not about her ass. <<The US has *REALLY* pissed somebody off>>: Or, conversely, someone has really pissed off the US. <>: Does that mean you originally DID want to?

Spot: <<There just isn't an expletive powerful enough to describe this. I don't even think Wilek would know one>>: Talk to the writers for The Man Show or Dennis Miller Live. They're good with expletives. <<If it wasn't a nation that was responsible for this, but some evil f*cking cult>>: There is a fine line between religion and cult...and that line is frequently crossed. <<How the hell do we stop _them_?>>: Kill them. <<How could somebody justify doing that>>: Same way Demona justifies Genocide. They're irrational. << you CAN'T justify this>>: No, YOU can't justify it. These people don't think like you.

Robby: <<What the HFIL is going on>>: Terrorism, probably. <<earlier today the big front page news story was that Michael Jordan might return to basketball>>: At least we've got our priorities straight.

Sevarius Jr: <<it's these same goddamn towel-head camel-jockeys that believe that Allah has commanded them to destroy all things American>>: Don't hold back on us, buddy. <<then we pave over the dirt with concrete and build an amusement park on their graves>>: "This just in: Disney has decided to open Oil-Disney, centered in what used to be Libya!" <<we tell them to shut the hell up or they get a peace of the action too>>: Fortunately, we did. <<My biggest concern when I woke up this morning was whether or not I had enough Frosted Mini-Wheats to eat for breakfast>>: Hows this for bizzare: That was my dilemma this morning too! Same cereal. <<Anyone ever see the movie "The Siege"? This is it>>: I keep wondering if this country will turn into a cross between "The Siege" and "Executive Decision". <<We've just shut down the Mexican border. We're shutting down the entire country, folks>>: We should be more concerned about those crazy Candians. <<maybe spare the women and children>>: Why? They didn't spare ours. We need to make the retaliation against terrorism so harsh/devastating/scary that no one ever thinks about it. How do you think we avoided WW3 for all these years? <<did they just say we went into Defcon 5?>>: We're always at DefCon 5, silly. Its a countDOWN. When we reach 1, its nuke time. <<Afghanistan officially goes to the top of our hit list for giving the sunavabitch safe harbor>>: And then we nuke 'em! <<I, Johnny Republican>>: I didn't know your name was Johnny. <>: I think we are...slowly. <<the time-honored tradition of skinning them alive>>: LOL. <<Start fixing your budget so that we can actually have a strong military>>: We DO. <<Here's hoping that the Canadian army is secretly composed of a bunch of short, hairy, potty-mouthed, cigar-chomping, adamantium-laced-skeleton wearing guys with odd haircuts>>: Wolvie is a mutant, aka rare. <<they believe that they will go to heaven to be with Allah, and as a reward, receive 70 virgins from their lord>>: Would they be 18-24 years old? <<yesterday, at this time, I was eating a Hot Pocket and was happy because Monday Night Football and WWF Raw were both going to come on in an hour>>: I was doing homework.

CrzyDemona: <<Pearl Harbor of the new era>>: Totally. I really wanted Bush's speech to start with "This day will live in infamy..." <<Regan would have nuked their asses by now>>: Either that or said "Who?" <<if you try REALLY hard, you can get your mouth open enough to get the OTHER foot into it>>: Any women with this skill are cool 8-)

Shadowrider: <<I've just been recalled in service>>: Because of this?

Greg X: <<the Japanese Admirals said "we may have just awoken a giant.">>: And this will be the Pearl Harbor of our generation. This is the single most devastating thing to happen on our soil in the last 50 years. <<The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim!>>: Starship Troopers much? <<we have one culture who doesn't think anyone has the right to exist besides their own>>: Christians? <<the Twin Towers should NOT be rebuilt>>: I disagree. Rebuilding it would allow the terrorists to win. We should rebuild it an build a memorial park nearby (perhaps a Vietnam-style wall with the names built into the new building or something) so that we never forget.

Xanathar: <<war should kept on the computer screen>>: Die, Protoss Scum! <<this could very well lead to world war three>>: No, it couldn't. No one with nukes is gonna rush to defend any countries that are harboring terrorists.

Winterwolf: <>: This violates all of us. <<I�ve lived here all my life>>: You should move to Seattle...

Green Baron: <<Israel has my blessing to clean out their nation of all hostile elements>>: Israel has always had everyone's blessing to do that. <>: I doubt it, but I don't think we'd volunteer forces to stop them, either. <<these killers will face US Justice>>: Texas Style! <<Los Angeles makes a nice target for some jihad>>: No, it really doesn't. All that's in LA is a bunch of people. Its a population center. There's no military, no money transfer centers, no critical transportation passages. Just civilians. Killing LA would do NOTHING to stop/affect the business of the country. <<Pearl Harbor was nowhere near this awful>>: That was a purely military target. There were few military personnel working in the WTC. <<One thing that concerns me is that a lot of muslims in the US will be killed and possibly interred like the the Japanese after Pearl Harbor>>: We can look forward to Manzanar. <<Osma Bin Laden "feels our pain">>: If not, he will when we shove a rocket up his butt.

David: <<I want the people responsible for this never to be able to do it again, and I want anybody who ever even thinks of doing something like it to be so utterly terrified of the cost of reprisals that they soil themselves for considering it>>: I'd have to agree with you there.

A Square: <<Get away from all the areas of high political and world importance>>: I think he plans to. <<What kind of sick terrorist fuck has this kind of apathy for other human lives>>: The kind that crash planes into towers full of people.

Lain: <<maybe i should bus to the airport thisafternoon and give random hugs>>: right, cuz there hasn't been enough weirdness in their lives today. <<why dont you people stop calling for blood and go DONATE some to the people in need>>: I don't weigh enough. <<it could be an american who pulled this off>>: There are American Muslims. <<they kicked me out for wearing a suspicious-looking backpack filled with suspicious-looking liberal arts textbooks>>: You suspicious Canadian Liberal arts people...

Siofra: <<You know its bad when college people stop drinking beer>>: ::Breaks into a round of "its the end of the world as we know it":: <<We can't live like we are always prepared for war, or things will never be sane>>: You are such a freakin hippy. Get over yourself. For 40 years this country lived in a state of war readiness and everything was fine. <<draw attention to Michigan>>: We don't need Michigan anyway.

Hyperion: <>: Assuming the sand hasn't been flash-melted into glass by nukes. <<the Michigan GM plan can go from cars to tanks in 10 mins>>: Tanks won't help. We need bombers. <<several planes were forced down on Colarado before they hit NORAD>>: Wouldn't have mattered, that place can take a direct nuclear assault. <<I'd imagine Afgahanstan is pretty damned nervous right now..I would be>>: I'd be in a hardened bunker. <<anyonne here see the movie Swordfish?>>: Hell yeah I did. Where's that special unit when we need it? <<right now most of the western world is on the brink of declaring war aginst terrorist orginzations>>: Good, maybe I won't need to get drafted. I like my right index finger. <<makes me wonder if the Palistinian citizens really understand what is coming down the road>>: Even if they do, it doesn't matter. They think they're all going to heaven. I'd be partying too.

Queen of Pain: <<lst night I found a brown recluse in my room and now his>>: Ewww! Kill it! <<BOMB THOSE BASTARDS>>: Talk about a party pooper.

The Wizard: <>: POINT!

Gavin: <>: They send a letter. And they give you 30 days.

Aaron: <<we can waive the usual standards>>: Woohoo! R-rated CR!

FS: <<there is suspision that it MAY be Iraq>>: What, they didn't learn their lesson last time?

Tara: <<the war is next if Bush doesn't kill that fucker NOW>>; Don't be stupid. For all you know, Bush doing nothing is what leads to the war. <<What an ass and I didn't even vote for that fucker, but I did vote for Bush, both Bush's at there time>>: This isn't about stupid political parties.

Wilek: <<If I can have Christmas early this year, I want those *things* on my doorstep, bound and gagged>>: Ah, our own resident torture expert.

Moochie: <<We'll probably do it in a plausably deniable fashion>>: I don't think we care about that anymore. <<Why can't we assassinate dictators>>: We already do. <<this wasn't intended as a shot across the bow>>: No, this was pretty much a Kamikaze torpedo. <<Let's see how good the weenie canadian army is at wringing information from naughty little boys. I bet Wilek wishes HE were Canadian>>: I don't think anyone wishes they were Canadian. <the LAPD knows its way around a nightstick>>: Now THIS will be a video for the library! <<An entire planeful of people couldn't overcome a bunch of guys armed with KNIVES!? Does anyone else see a problem with that?>>: I guess no one could bring themselves to sacrifice themselves so they could rush 'em.

Cat: <<Are you going to condemn all Christians because of the Inquisition, or because the Nazis were predominately Christian?>>: Yeah, probably. <<a bunch of black and white people worked together to beat up the folks celebrating the tragedy>>: A great day for race relations. <<or laser-optic eyed soldiers or certain Ragin' Cajuns with explosive playing cards>>: They're not Canadian.

Mecord: <<Blood feuds arise and more people become involved and that's how we get WWIII>>: What!? Name one major conflict that was started by a blood feud. <<Goliath nearly fell victim to this same principle>>: And would have been totally justified. But personally I think this is closer to Awakenings.

Yooper: <<we should just kill him>>: He's already been indited for several crimes against this country...we're just waiting to find him.

Jan: <<Show me ONE time where that has been the case>>: The End of WWII comes to mind. We were parading and partying all over the country. And we'd just NUKED Japan.

Mara: <<Public execution for those responisble. Death by smoke inhalation>>: Um, those are hard to do together. <<especially the printed word which cannot be erased>>: You're kidding, right?

Todd: <<But what we should be seeking is justice, not revenge>>: There's a fine line between the two. What you call revenge might be justice to another person.

Traveler: <<Should be interesting when we play those blackboxes from each of the planes>>: It will be months before those are recovered. <<not just U.S. citizens were partying at the time given that WWII had just ended>>: Also, there is the little thing about how the war had been on for 6 years, etc. <<maybe now the CIA will get it's balls back from Congress>>: We can only hope.

Karen: <<it's such a valid opinion that it borders upon actual fact>>: That could quite possibly be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

DPH: <<Remember the series finale of ST:DS9>>: That implies you actually WATCHED it. <<some gas stations are raising gas prices to the range of $2.00+ to $4.00/galloon>>: That's it! Time to bomb the middle east! <<Consider what today's date is: 9-11. That's right, 911>>: Its also International Peace Day.

Daniel Johnson: <<Who could have imagined such a thing?>>: Any Hollywood writer.

Ray: <<A prayer of peace and rest for all the Elisa's, Matt's, Sara's, Officer Morgan's and Capt Chavez'z who risked their lives today>>: Good words.

Aingeal: <<if you are dont tell the rest of us>>: Okay, I won't. <<if someone offends you, either ignore it or ask them nicely to back off. It really works... I promise>>: I'm sorry...did you GO to high school? <<if you feel like venting at me or on me>>: Kinky.

Patrick: <<It's like some bad Steven Seagal movie>>: Like Executive Decision? He died in that one 8-)

Alright folks, its been a long day, for all of us. Best of luck to everyone getting through this awful thing.

As always there is a good chance I will be checking e-mail by clamping down my teeth onto the overhead wires and whistling modem tones if necessary.
- Aaron Richton

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 03:05:42 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-199.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

I've never posted here before, but I did work on TGS
as a part of the breakdowns crew and as a writer,
and I wanted to just check to see how some of my old buddies
were after the awful events of today.

It's good to see some of you checking-in - Todd, Stephen,
Patrick, Deuce, Robby...

I'm sorry I haven't kept in touch - it's days like today
which make you realise that you shouldn't let so much
time go by before you touch base with people.

My heart goes out to all of you - those who I know, and
those who I've yet to meet. I live on the other side
of the world (in Australia) - but please don't think
that we - over here - haven't been rocked by what has
happened. I think the whole country is thinking of you,
and shedding more than one tear.

If someone could please pass on my love to the rest of
the TGS staff... Thanks.

Anna
Anna Hansen - [anna@zeta.org.au]
AustraliaWednesday, September 12, 2001 02:11:40 AM
IP: proxy4.syd.pacific.net.au

This is my last for the night, so I hope you all sleep well and stay strong...

...but I wanted to share something really interesting I heard from my roommate, whose dad is an American Airlines pilot. Luckily, he didn't fly today (his flight was cancelled after what happened), but I guess he and his co-pilot were called to a meeting about a week ago, along with some other pilots, by people who said that Bin Laden had had his family moved to a secure location...so something was
up. Ten bucks says Bin Laden planned this or knew about it,
especially if he moved his family and people here
started alerting pilots.

Just a thought. **shrugs** My thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by today's catastrophe. :(
Ravyn
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 01:11:28 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Never posted before, but I've been reading posts, especially today's. I agree with Siryn: give blood. Donating blood and money to the Red Cross is probably the best thing we can do right now. And pray. I have this horrible feeling that there's going to be someone that I know, even if only casually, who was in one of the buildings... waiting on a friend living in NY for news of that.

Also, I was looking on the CNN site and there was a small section of quotes from officials. Not to add to the bloodlust, but this was my favorite quote, from Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah -- "We're going to find out who did this and we're going after the bastards."

We better.
oeimae - [oei@dartmouth.edu]
Ft. Worth, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 01:11:13 AM
IP: cm367742-a.ftwrth1.tx.home.com

I am really only saying anything now to keep up appearances of my (mostly) nightly post. There is only one thing to talk about, and I have nothing more to add at this point.
How fast somethings can change: last night I didn't have a long post because there wasn't much that had happened in here, while today quadrupled the length of the CR.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 01:01:21 AM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Hey Gargs and Goyles,

I don't think I can say much that hasn't been already said, but my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone in this fandom, and hope everyone has their loved ones, themselves, and friends safe and sound at home. I also want to give major big hugs out to the Gargoyles fans who are IN NEw York City and the other affected areas tonight. Thankgod that everyone I know about and have checked about so far are safe.

Tomorrow there are going to be emergency blood donations up in New York State where I am, I'm guessing there will be blood drives set up around the country. If you want to make a difference, try to give blood tomorrow. (I wouldn't be alive today if somebody hadn't donated blood for me)

You're all in my prayers tonight. Everyone try to get some rest in your part of the world.
Siryn
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:32:58 AM
IP: roc-24-93-24-2.rochester.rr.com

Hey Lain, where did you find out about the other hijacked plane that landed in Canada? I haven't heard anything about it here. I was just wondering if it would be on any Canadian news websites. I sincerely hope that nothing happens tomorrow, but I have this sad feeling that we need to remain on alert and prepared for anything...
Sleep well if you can everyone.
Siofra
MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:53:30 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

I do not post on this board normally however I do read it occasionally and am a devoted fan of TGS. However, reading many of the post about the tragedy today I felt the need to add my voice.

First let me say that I am a bit emotionally less involved in this horrible situation than most. I just lost my grandmother who I loved very much on Saturday. So this becomes less of an all incompassing emotional moment in time and more of what it is: an affront to America and her children

I know what it feels like to loose a loved one who you expected to loose. As well as what it feels to loose someone who you never expected to loose. To all those who have lost someone, I pray for you. I pray that God performs miracles for many. Because I know what it is to beg for one and not recieve it. God have mercy on us all.

Secondly, I do not believe in the taking of life. In ANY form. However, hearing about men who died in flames, seeing woman in agony on the streets, and the contorted faces of young children crying uncomforted, I am faced with a very moral delemma. Whoever is responsible should be found, tried, and sentenced to death. But we should NOT jump to conclusions. Innocents should never die. But justice must be found!

Thirdly, I love my country. My ancestors have fought in every war since the dawning of our nation. They loved this country for what it stood for. I love the fact that an Scotsman could marry and English woman, that a Native American woman could win the heart of a German man. I love the heritage that has been passed down through the centuries to me, French, German, English, Irish, Native American, Scottish, Norwegian, Swedish. And I love the fact that an American heritage can consist of one person or a thousand and still be as great. That is what my ancestors fought for. And I have just begun to understand that I would fight for it to.

I too worried that this would be the begining of W3. I pray to God that it is not. But America cannot stand passively by while her children are slaughterd in the streets. I will not live in fear. On this new day of Infamey I pray that we may find a way to regain the innocence that we lost. However, innocence is a rare commodity which is many times unretrievable.

And that is what perhaps makes me the saddest.
Laura - [lapeterson2@students.wisc.edu]
Wi, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:43:43 PM
IP: 216.170.148.146

Back from the psych exam.
Okay, here's something that REALLY grates on me. According to CNN.com, the poor guy that called in from the bathroom of the airplane reported that the terrorists were armed with...
Knives.
And Boxcutters.
People let themselves be herded like cattle because they were afraid of getting cut. They let themselves get flown into the side of a biulding, because they were afraid of getting cut. Not to disrespect the dead, but... KNIVES!? An entire planeful of people couldn't overcome a bunch of guys armed with KNIVES!? Does anyone else see a problem with that?
Gunjack Valentine
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:26:23 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

SJ > I know it's probably going to be some time before they find the "black boxes." I was simply refuting a comment I saw further down the queue here where someone was reporting erroneously that all four had been found.

Re: Washington Post report > I'd heard the report on CNN that correspondent Barbara Olsen had called her husband from the plane moments before the crash... but this is just getting sicker by the minute. It's like some bad Steven Seagal movie... I don't think I even want to look at the newspapers tomorrow.

I really don't know how they expect everyone to return to work tomorrow and get anything constructive done... but I've gotta sign off now and get some sleep so I can at least be awake and give the appearance that I'm working.

:: hugs to everyone ::
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:10:56 PM
IP: ac8176d6.ipt.aol.com

Guys, newsflash: they just found two bombs on the George Washington Bridge, both big enough to destroy it. They supposedly captured the people responsible and have deactivated the bombs. This is a supposed, I'll keep you guys updated. *looks at her watch* Geez, I haven't even LOOKED at my books today, and I have a lecture tomorrow. I hope they cancel classes, yet I don't: the best way to get over it all is to stay on schedule to keep your mind off of it.

Karen< Agreed, the Taliban is wicked. Y'know that women can be stoned to death is they don't wear body covering in the street, or don't have a male relative for a chaperone? They're less than human over there. And Hindus are forced to wear yellow stars. Doesn't that sound like someone we know in history?? *blech!*

SJ< Admantium-laced Canadian soldiers ... heh, or laser-optic eyed soldiers or certain Ragin' Cajuns with explosive playing cards ;D
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:59:18 PM
IP: pc169-71.drew.edu

Hello everyone.

When I first heard about the attack from my co-workers this morning I didn't believe it had happened. When I saw the new online I went into mild shock for most of the day. This is the most surreal experience I've ever had. I certainly hope that they discover who is reponsible quickly and retaliate with extreme prejudice. I offer my condolences to all those who have lost friends and loved ones in the attack.
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Williams Lake, BC, Canada
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:52:00 PM
IP: ts4-8.williams-lake.wlake.com

Robby: huh. so, you are SURE you aren't him, then? just checking...;) :P
Lynati
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:46:22 PM
IP: 207.94.232.98

*hugs Greg* N/p. My heart goes out to you and your friends. I hope they're all okay, man!

Re: Downing of Korean planes and nabbing the 3rd guy< *punches the air* Awwright!!!

My mom's cousin works in the building right across from the World Trade Center and was eating breakfast in a cafe across the STREET when the first plane hit! He immediately tore outta there, lemme yell you. His college roommate actually WORKED IN THE WTC, but got laid off two weeks ago. The guy was pissed off at the time, but in retrospect he says it was a miracle in disguise. Our neighbor's a cop, and 15 of his fellow cop buddies are unnacounted for; they were evacuating people from the first building when it collapsed. These guys would be Elisa's fellow NYPD workers. Let's give 'em a silent salute, eh?

It's bizarre here. We keep seeing fighter jets screaming over the campus heading north. The girl down the hall, Marisa, lives in Manhattan and just got into contact with her dad. And another girl, Ashe, was in a freak all day cuz her mom and sister went to the WTC early this morning and never called her. Ashe just heard from them about half an hour ago (10 o'clock EST!!), and it turns out they're fine. It seems that they missed their bus into the city and her mom was pissed off at the time, but ... well, y'know. Looks like another miracle.

Afghani immigrants in Paterson, NJ are celebrating *grr* but the funny thing is, a bunch of black ppl are reportedly kicking the shit out of 'em for doing so. I mean, as bad as this thing is, it's awesome how ppl are uniting together against this thing (if no one's familiar with Paterson, it's a rough area in NJ, located near NYC, and it's known for its somewhat harsh relations between ppl of different backgrounds). Anyway, word on the street is a bunch of black and white people worked together to beat up the folks celebrating the tragedy. We had vigils all day on our campus, and all these ppl from different ethnicities, religions, and sexual orientations were holding hands and chanting. Yeah, I love this country. Let's not see it go down.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:45:56 PM
IP: pc169-71.drew.edu

(Yggdrasil pokes his head into the CR from the endless wastes of academia.)

Greetings Everyone;

I made a promise to myself that I would not post on this board until I could devote enough time to read it periodically but I just felt the need to post in order to express my condolences to anyone who has suffered because of the horrible events of today. Words cannot describe the feelings that I am experiencing at this time, but my condolences and wishes go out to all of you. May we band together from this tragedy and become stronger.

<Hugs all around>

Yggdrasil

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:39:05 PM
IP: cr822219-a.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com

Lynati- Probably because I said basically the same thing to Aaron at UTSA earlier today. In the San Antonio Express News, the front page story this morning was MJ possibly playing again. That particular thing is particularly stuck for me, because this morning of all others, I was actually up early enough to read the paper, and went "MJ saying he might play again is worthy of front page news? What, there isn't any real news to report?"

And about two hours later, I started wishing I hadn't said that...
Robby
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:27:17 PM
IP: ac964fce.ipt.aol.com

*gives Robby a funny look*
You know, Aaron said the exact same thing to me earlier...
Lynati
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:19:15 PM
IP: 207.94.232.127

Patrick: As much as I'd love to find out what was on them, I doubt that we'll find any of the black boxes soon. It'll probably be days before we sort through the rubble to obtain them.

Not sickened by this enough? The Washington Post, the major newspaper here in the D.C. area, is reporting that the passengers on the plane that struck the Pentagon knew what was going to happen minutes before it happened. The hijackers herded them to the back of the plane, and then told them to use any cellphones they might have to say goodbye to their families, because they would all be dead in a few minutes.
That plane held reporter Barbara Olsen, wife of solicitor general Ted Olsen. Also on board was a teacher and 2 young children who were traveling to/from an educational field trip.

It may seem very trite for me to quote a movie right now, but there is a line that I think is very accurate in describing how many of us feel right now about this whole tragic mess.

"Ernest Hemingway once wrote, 'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.' I agree with the second part."
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:19:13 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

remember me?

just wanted to say hi. i've been glued to cnn.com and this page all day... cnn for the "big picture" and here because i knew it was the best place to find honest reactions to this mess we've found ourselves in.

even up here in my corner of canada, we're in shock. there was a bomb threat at city hall today and i hear they evacuated in 10 minutes. both local papers put out an afternoon edition; i got sent home from work (grocery store) because there weren't enough customers. it's crazy, isn't it?

i honestly hope world war iii doesn't come out of this. to everyone in america, and especially everyone in nyc and dc, i'm praying for you.

i'm also praying whoever's responsible is brought to swift and appropriate justice. but aren't we all?
deuce - [halfpastsix@yahoo.com]
edmonton, ab, canada
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:16:01 PM
IP: ts14162.connect.ab.ca

And to think, earlier today the big front page news story was that Michael Jordan might return to basketball...
Robby
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:12:36 PM
IP: ac964fce.ipt.aol.com

Duncan - Thanks for the update on those fans in the NY area.

More "what I've heard" updates to pass along...

The reports of explosions in Kabul have nothing to do with the U.S. CNN is now saying it's being reported as an attack on the Taliban by a rival faction that still controls a small northern Afghanistan, most likely in retaliation for a suicide bomb attack against their leader on Sunday. What goes around comes around, evidently.

President Bush just spoke, promising the U.S. will find those responsible and make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them. That sounds like a threat to me... and I sincerely hope we follow through on it.

I spoke with my dad a little while ago. He'd just flown back from a business trip to the east coast yesterday. Kinda scary. We talked a bit about airport security. He pointed out that if the terrorists had accomplices working for them on the ground with the maintenance, cleaning, or catering crews, there could have been weapons smuggled onto and hidden on the plane before they even boarded. And he'd also heard a rumored report that I'd also heard from co-worker earlier today... that the plane that went down in Pennsylvania may have been taken down by the military.

I've heard nothing saying the black boxes have been found yet. From what I've heard, emergency workers still can't even get into the central part of the collapse zone in NYC due to other adjacent buildings still on fire or in danger of collapse. Building 7 of the WTC complex, a 50+ story structure which had been evacuated before the towers collapsed and had been on fire ever since, collapsed about two hours ago. It's a very dangerous situation... and though they want to get in to look for survivors, they obviously don't want to place more rescuers in harm's way.

One of the reporters on CNN a few minutes ago put it best... we'll be waking up to a totally different world tomorrow.

Patrick Toman
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 09:41:56 PM
IP: ac8176d6.ipt.aol.com

Ok.. forgive me now if I step on toes... but I've got a question. We're ALL shaken by this... unless you're part of it.. and if you are dont tell the rest of us. ANYWAY (was intended to be a joke and as Fire Storm said laughter can help us keep sane... if any of us were to begin with)

My question is this... why are we snapping at each other? We all care about what happened, we all react in different ways. my hope is that even when we're being snippish that we can take each other's venting, EVEN WHEN AIMED AT US OR OTHERS in stride for the next few while we all try and cope with this disaster. I KNOW we all have diff approaches to dealing with it... me.. I had to work, so I never got to... My BF/Fiancee is in Baltimore, and stuck there... I'm NOT happy... none of us are. But let's TRY to be patient... if someone offends you, either ignore it or ask them nicely to back off. It really works... I promise!

Anyway. I love you people... and if you feel like venting at me or on me... knock yourselves out.. i'm here to listen... what else does an Aingeal have to do with her evening. (IM: KrailsAingeal, or MSN ladynewill2u@hotmail.com)

::hugs to all::
Aingeal
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 09:30:26 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Lain> I didn't mean to imply that you do not have any feelings concerning what has happened today. My point was that it is my country and if I am angry and want to spout revenge, an eye for an eye, etc. then I certainly don't want anyone telling me to not talk that way.... especially from someone who is not a citizen of the USA. I think if the tables were turned, you'd feel the same way.
I think what upset me the most was when you called Spacebabie and SJ hypocrites. That was totally unecessary and inappropriate. You said that we (Americans) would be dancing in the street over the deaths of our enemies, as if we would lower ourselves to their level. That is an insult. At this particular moment I'm extremely offended that you would even compare us to those people. Personally, I think that you owe Spacebabie and SJ an apology for calling them hypocrites in the manner in which you did.
I don't doubt that you are feeling sad, sympathy, anger, etc. for Americans right now. I never doubted or questioned that.... it was just the wrong time to be the pacifist when emotions were so high earlier and definitely the wrong time to be insulting to Spacebabie and SJ.
You mentioned mcveigh... I don't recall anyone dancing in the streets when he was executed. As SJ explained, most Americans had no regret that he was dead - but no dancing was done. I'm not talking about the emotional dancing but the physical dancing - just as those pigs were doing over the death of the Americans today.
But no... I did not say that you weren't feeling any grief because you are not an American.
Jan
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 09:07:52 PM
IP: modem17-73.mo-net.com

I couldn't help but drop a quit line in just because it is NYC and our heroes are there. A prayer of peace and rest for all the Elisa's, Matt's, Sara's, Officer Morgan's and Capt Chavez'z who risked their lives today. At 7pm I noticed the sun going down and couldn't help but think that if Elisa was real she couldn't wait to get into the arms of her love for a quick reassuring hug.
ray
Jacksonville, NC
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 09:07:20 PM
IP: jax-tnt2-pool2-179.coastalnet.com

Absolutely unreal.

Who could have imagined such a thing?

I know someone who works a few blocks from the WTC. She's OK, physically, but she said that there were bodies everywhere. Everywhere. All over the street. Dear God. Bodies raining from the sky. I know someone else who was in the WTC subway station just yesterday morning. He almost went today instead.

I agree that we need to be calm and find out what happened, but when we do know, we find these MFs and kill them. Wipe them out. They'll never understand anything else but force. And this is from a borderline pacifist. Frag 'em all.

On another note, I'm sorry for going missing for so long, but this summer has been crazy-busy. You're stuck with me again.
Daniel Johnson - [danielj7@mac.com]
Ocean Grove, NJ, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 08:28:55 PM
IP: pool-138-89-124-54.mad.east.verizon.net

I visited a chiropractor today. I have to wait until tomorrow to hear the results from the tests I took. The doctor said it might take months for me to recover fully. I also discovered that it's been a year since my accident.

**TOPIC OF THE DAY**
1)rejoicing in someone's/something sorrow is just wrong in my book no matter who it is or what it is. Remember the series finale of ST:DS9.

2)until we have telepaths or mandatory background checks before being allowed to travel, this potential problem could always exist. If you think about requiring mandatory background checks for passengers of airplanes, think about having to go through that if you had a loved one die and you needed to travel by plane to attend the funeral on time.

3)airport security should always be on high alert. One phrase: germs that take a few days before the symptoms show up.

4)some gas stations are raising gas prices to the range of $2.00+ to $4.00/galloon. Currently, gasoline costs ~$1.45/galloon. In Arkansas, we have a law against price gouging gasoline. :-)

5)Consider what today's date is: 9-11. That's right, 911.
**END TOPIC OF THE DAY**

Glad to know some of my CR friends are alright. I am worried about one online friend who was in NYC recently to participate in the Olympic Mind Game trials.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 08:24:12 PM
IP: max1-51.cwy.cei.net

Like lain said, all signs seem to point to Bin Laden. I think the statistic that they keep quoting is that they are 90% sure that it's Bin Laden who is responsible.

If that is the case, than I say that we take him out. Then, as an homage to the great Roman Empire, we take the fucker's body, cut off his head, and stick it on a pike on the White House lawn as a message that if you screw with us, you will be nothing more than a memory and a red stain on the ground.

You know what I keep thinking of right now? The rescue squads that got taken out. I'm glued to the radio....and I'm hearing that of the 400 or so firefighters / EMS workers that were initially sent in to help at the World Trade Center, as many as HALF of them may be dead. Jesus Christ, think about that....that isn't casualties of the plane hitting. Those fatalities are just of the people who went in there to help. Screw the suicide bombers--those people are the true martyrs.

It's just unreal. It's yet to sink in, but it's starting to. Nothing seems important anymore, except maybe revenge. I mean....I keep thinking about just what I was doing yesterday. I mean, yesterday, at this time, I was eating a Hot Pocket and was happy because Monday Night Football and WWF Raw were both going to come on in an hour. Now....
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 08:20:38 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

hey all.. been watching the news and pondering the horror of it all. you know i was thinking about what jannie said about it not being my country that was bombed and my citizens that were killed.. and honestly, i dont think i care. i think that the canadians feel very close (not just geographically) to the americans. many of us have friends who are american. many of us have business partners who are american. just because we are not citizens does not mean that we are not outraged, sickened and horrified by whats happened. we watched the news up here, just like you did. the news coverage up here wasnt any different than the coverage down there.

we fear attack, too. maybe not quite like you, and the building most likely to be hit is the american embassy (which is evacuated and under guard) all canadian airports have been shut down, i think all north american airports have been shut down, too. our borders are closed. some of our main streets are closed. some of our doctors and nurses are trying to get across the border to help. it isnt like were up here havin not a care in the world. we are affected by what happens in the united states. you are our friends, family, allies. my boyfriend is an american. some of my favourite jerks are americans, too ; ) maybe i didnt make that clear, earlier, when i got upset about some reactions.

theres so many people.. CIVILIANS who have been hurt.. and noone even knows why, or who is responsible yet. the aid workers.. police and firefighters who were trying to help.
its kinda like pearl harbour.. but different, because of communications. lots of us saw this from our living rooms, whereas pearl harbour.. was some more distant thing.
traveler.. no, i still dont believe in evil. its terrible, horrific, deplorable etc but *I* feel, anyways, that calling it "evil" is just an excuse..

apparently, bin laden is the prime suspect. though he hasnt claimed responsibility, he usually doesnt for the attacks he makes. according to the news people, anyways. they believe america is evil. since i dont believe in evil, i dont subscribe to this opinion.. however at their terrorist training camps, they are often taught that suicide attacks will garner them a high place in heaven. it is unlikely that the chinese are responsible, as they do not have this kind of philosophy.

and those planes they got down outside whitehorse? no worries.. it was the canadians who forced them down but thats cos the pilot hit the alarm button because of a fuel shortage.. (figures.. like the canadian military is capable of doing something cool.. geez.. ; P)

sj>>"Here's hoping that the Canadian army is secretly composed of a bunch of short, hairy, potty-mouthed, cigar-chomping, adamantium-laced-skeleton wearing guys with odd haircuts." *stares.. then starts giggling* yeah.. riiiiight.. short and hairy maybe.. cuban cigars maybe.. odd haircuts.. yeah.. but you forgot the part about the cute red RCMP umiforms.. with those baggy pants? *hugs sj* good advice about taking stuff in stride. *more hugs*

denis>> in reference to above, and just in general *hugs*

gb>> *hugs* sorry if my words were harsh. i meant them, but im sorry if they were harsh.

there werent that many people celebrating.. just pockets in east jerusalem, lebanon and a refugee camp. interviews of some palestinians wandering the streets in some city over there said they were shocked and horrified, too. i guess, in general, we shouldnt judge the whole just cos theres some idiots in the bucket.

okay guys, i think thats it for me tonight. i think ive used up the rogers cable connection enough.. and the guy is gettin pissed at me for hogging his demo-computer.
just.. really.. i love you guys. i might or might not believe in GOD, but ill still pray for you and your loved ones and.. americans and the world in general. i wish this had never happened, i know thats a little late now, but i pray its over.
im off now to buy stuffing for teddybears im sending to NY and paper for the cranes im making for gw bush.
if anyone else has teddies to donate, kids who have toys to cuddle in hospital tend to recover faster and better than those who dont. there must be so many children without parents now.. i cant begin to imagine.
i love you,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
up north
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 08:04:32 PM
IP: proxy2-external.lndn1.on.home.com

My God, what a crazy mess today...it's like something out of a terrible movie...but it's real. My God. Taking out two *entire* skyscrapers, and reducing them to rubble...turning NYC into a virtual war zone...affecting as many people as this is affecting...can you even imagine having to make the decision that, hm...either I burn to death in this World Trade Center building, or I try to jump out the window and have a small chance of survival. Even having to make that choice...

And just trying to imagine the NYC skyline without the Trade Towers is just eerie to me. It's weird to think that they don't even *exist* anymore. *And* that they hit the courtyard of the Pentagon, and caused the DC area to become a mess too. Crazy stuff.

...and I wonder where that plane that crashed outside of Pittsburgh was heading? I think that was most likely headed to take out something too...it's just crazy to think about how much this was planned, and at the same time, how much more they had possibly planned on doing had we not shut down all flights immediately.

This wasn't just a military attack, like a battle in a war...this wasn't an attack on the military at all. This was some sickos that planned on taking out as many people and some international symbols as they possibly could, so that they would make a statement and glorify themselves. I'm sorry, but how can you even *think* about doing such a thing, and killing so many people, *just* to make a statement??? It's crazy.

**sighs** I'm really sorry...I haven't had a chance to read the CR yet, and if any of this stuff has been said before, I apologize...but my personal opinion is that we shouldn't be so quick to declare war on another country (well, unless it *is* another country that planned this)...rather, I think it was some sort of group, like Bin Laden's. We need to find that group and put them down and make them pay for killing innocent, civilian Americans, who were just trying to start their work day.

Hugs to everyone in the room...I hope you all are holding up okay.

And there's just some weird reactions around the world...Russia, the UK, and most of Europe has come out and said that they're on our side, and sympathize with us...but have you seen the pictures of the Middle East, Palestinians especially, having parades and handing out candy and *celebrating* because thousands of people were just killed in America? **sighs**

And just for the record, Coyote and myself are both okay. Physically, at least. Mentally, this just sickens me.
Ravyn
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:44:43 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

*Runs up and Hugs Sorow tightly*You don't don't how relieved I am to hear from you(I couldn't sleep much at all),I'm glad you are physically alright at least.You and your brothers are in my thoughts.

I'll email you as soon as I can
Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:30:37 PM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

I am sure this is in poor taste, but it may cause a momentary lapse in the bad mood in here.
THAT, and someone posted it in the Megatokyo board, and I gave a little laugh because it is kinda appropriate, no matter how wrong it may be to laugh at a situation like this.
Like someone said in that board, laughter may help us stay sane.

What happen?
Someone set up us the bomb!
Fire Storm
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:22:48 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Hullo... much has gone on since I went to work.

I just want to say that my prayers and those of the students at my college are with everyone that has been affected.

I've also got lots of free hugs for anyone needing them ::hugs Lyn, Lain, and anyone else::

I'll be in and out checking on developments, but I dont think they're going to let us off from HW for this... ::mutters about her school::

take care all!
Aingeal - [krailsaingeal@lycos.com]
Podunk, VA, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:18:28 PM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

I agree with Karen. What that government has done...*shivers*

(fyi, I have learned thatmy friends in NY are alright, but one of my best friends actually watched the whole thing from a telescope at her workplace in Brooklyn. I hope she's alright, mentally.)

Mara: thank you. and more thank you.
Lynati
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:09:51 PM
IP: 207.94.232.71

Winterwolf> OH GOD! I was so worried when I heard! I'm thankful to the very bottom of my soul and I pray that all your loved ones are safe.
Xanathar> I'm here and physically alright. But emotionally? Both my brothers are on military alert and I don't know what's going to happen to them.
Mara, Robby, Jennifer, SJ, Alan> I'm grateful that you are all safe and we are all thinking of you.
Shadowrider> I hope you stay protected where you are, both of my brothers are in the forces as well.

This is a horrible tragedy for us all. I pray that everyone in the CR and your families are well and safe. This horrific day will always be remembered in history as we prepare for war. God bless!
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:04:24 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Todd: Do we want to stoop to their level?

No. We want to go BEYOND it.

I've heard this a lot today. "Do we really want to become as bad as them?" No, you want to be worse. Because that is what it takes.

I think a lot of people who accept that attitude don't quite understand who we're dealing with here. These people are fanatics, no matter if the terrorist is foreign (and all signs point to that) or domestic. If they are fundamentalists, than remember that these people gladly give up their lives to kill us because they believe that their god has told them to do so. Do you know the fundamentalist Islamic teachings? If they die in their jihad, they believe that they will go to heaven to be with Allah, and as a reward, receive 70 virgins from their lord. TO KILL US.

You don't soft-shoe these people. You go hardcore on them. Whatever "level" they are on, we go ONE STEP BEYOND.

My favorite example: Germany, World War 2. They caused a lot of horrible destruction, right? What did we do? We bombed their country into rubble. Japan? They hurt us quite a bit. What did we do? Bombed the hell out of them with standard ordinance, then dropped them with nukes.

If we pussy out, we won't get justice. We have to kick things up a notch now and just go to the extreme.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:00:06 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Hi, I never post here (though I do read the TGS stories). Like everyone else, I'm beyond sad, scared, and shocked by what has occurred today (living so close to Manhattan as I do, and knowing so many people -- including my father -- that were in that area at the time, I'm even more scared than many others might be). But I don't think the USA is bombing the Afghans.

Afghanistan is in a civil war as we speak between the Taliban and some rebel groups. They get bombed like that everyday and it hasn't anything to do with us. Also, the Afghanistan cities are rubble already (from constant civil war). Let me just say that even if the Afghans had absolutely nothing to do with this attack, the Taliban is an evil, evil government that oppressed and kills its own people, mercilessly. Women and their children are reduced to starvation because it's illegal for a woman to work. Taliban has killed those women's husbands, too, eliminating any source of potential income.

Just a little insight, though I too agree that we MUST retaliate.

(BTW: I realize that a lot of the second half of what I said is opinion, but I think it's such a valid opinion that it borders upon actual fact.)

Karen
Bronx, NY, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:59:58 PM
IP: ac827071.ipt.aol.com

My, my... hasn't today been eventfull.

The things that bring me back to post here... *shakes his head*

The terrorists involved in this were outfucking-standing. You have to admit that. They managed the simoultainous hijacking of 4+ major Airliners they all knew would have full fuel tanks, most likely shot the pilots right off the bat and then flew the planes to their targets. These men were trained to fly these types of planes. The sheer amount of planning and resources to make something like this happen is seriously akin to a James Bond or Die Hard movie. It's hard enough to hijack one plane but to get that many and then sucide fly them into targets? Plus the assorted bombings.

Heheh... guess they figured the targets were hardend to effectivly aginst the conventional forms of terrorist attack. Well that and nothing will quite grab attention like flying a 767 full of passengers into a few landmarks. Should be interesting when we play those blackboxes from each of the planes, cockpit voice recorders should give a clue as to who is responsible.

The only thing lain has said that I'll agree to is that you should all calm down and think about this rationaly. It's unlikey but the Chineese or North Koreans could have a hand in this. To jump to conclusions like "it must have been those Islamic fundamentalist wackos" leads to messy and costly mistakes which may be what those who did this want.

Of course the areas in the Middle East where they were dancing in the streets and handing out candy should be promptly carpet bombed with Napalm and Anti-Personal cluster bombs immeditatly on principle. Yes I'm serious.

lain: I wonder if you still don't believe in evil.

Oh and just to be a history bastard, See VE Day and VJ Day for the U.S. citizens dancing in the streets. Though, not just U.S. citizens were partying at the time given that WWII had just ended...

Kabul: Most likely spillover from what's happening here. What I mean by that is this is probably one faction of the Civil War currentaly going on there takling advantage of some of the confusion to launch an attack on the current ruling party. If it was "us" then we had some definate proof that something funky was going on. Plus we haven't heard a peep from the Pentagon about this yet. And yes, the Pentagon IS still operational. The part that was bombed/hit with a plane and collapsed was curentaly undergoing MAJOR renovations.

Hmmm... maybe now the CIA will get it's balls back from Congress. Things would start getting done again. It's been said by several already that cutting back on our "people power" before and after the cold war was a large mistake.

*sigh* Most people don't believe things like this could happen here let alone happen in other parts of the world almost regulary. Let alone how easy it is to do such a thing like to produce and release a few hundred pounds of Anthrax into a city.

And... just now Tower #7 of the WTC has finally collapsed.

Have a nice day every one.
Traveler
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:58:01 PM
IP: ny-hamburg1b-101.buf.adelphia.net

FS> *delurks* 3 weeks ago he threatened it.
Oracle
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:54:55 PM
IP: mke-65-29-130-252.wi.rr.com

Does anyone know if that news story posted in here earlier about Bin Laden giving warning happened today?
Fire Storm - [<--- News Article]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:51:48 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Bloodlust: Before anyone screams: KILL THE MUSLUMS! Remember this:
LM and I are smack dab in the middle of the largest arabic (READ: At least 50% Muslium) population outside of the Middle East. So any race riots occur, they will start a few blocks from here.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:49:53 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

I'm still feeling more than a little taken aback by this news. Today started off like an ordinary day. Then, as I was on my way to the local used bookstore that I like to visit on occasion, I passed by a restaurant, which had the television sets mounted on the walls tuned in to CNN. I caught the words on the screen of "America Under Attack" and practically froze, staring at the images and trying to figure out what had happened. Truth to tell, I was relieved (if not by much) when I found out what had happened (I first got the details when I got to the bookstore and asked the clerk, who had the news radio on, about it); yes, the destruction at the WTC and the Pentagon is dreadful, but for a moment, I feared that World War III had begun. I've been watching the news on this for the last couple of hours (my local WB affiliate turned its offices over to CNN's live broadcast).

I'm glad at least that a lot of folks in the "Gargoyles" community whom I know (whether directly from the Gathering, or indirectly by the Internet), such as Greg Bishansky, Constance Cochran, Batya Levin, and the rest are still alive, and hope that their friends will also be all right. And believe me, I shall be praying about this.

I do feel a little troubled by the cries of vengeance, though. After all, wasn't vengeance the very attitude (more likely than not) which prompted the terrorists to carry out this act to begin with? Do we want to stoop to their level? And we all know (from being "Gargoyles" fans, if nothing else) that vengeance only begets more vengeance. Certainly the perpetrators need to be brought to justice. But what we should be seeking is justice, not revenge.

And I still can't believe that one of New York's leading landmarks is gone. It's all quite a shock to me. How much things can change in just one day.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:33:26 PM
IP: dialup-63.208.44.101.dial1.saintlouis1.level3.net

I think it is us bombing Afghanastan personally. Sure the government hasn't made a statement about it, but then that would let them know we were coming.

Well, President Bush will be making a statement at 9PM Eastern. I look forward to it.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:25:49 PM
IP: dialup-209.246.72.117.dial1.newyork1.level3.net

In case you know any of the following people of the Garg fandom and are worried about them after the attack on the World Trade Center in NYC and the Pentagon in Washinton DC, these people are all accounted for and safely out of danger:

-AFan
-Alison Wilgus
-Batya "The Toon" Levin & Husband
-Brooklyn Magus
-Constance Cochrane & the Dreamer Clan
-Daermon
-Kellie Fay
-Kessalia
-Ithica
-Robert Luca

Thought you might like to know.

Duncan
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:20:12 PM
IP: p3ee3cb8a.dip.t-dialin.net

Bombing of Kabul - I seriously doubt this was us. We wouldn't strike without definate proof that the Afgans were the guilty party (which we just DONT KNOW right now). Perhaps issues with Israel?
Jennifer
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:10:22 PM
IP: 1cust190.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

SJ I'm watching the News

There is footage of Kabal Afghanistan There is fire and explosions going on. They say this might be a counter attack.
Spacebabie
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:08:28 PM
IP: proxy.iad2.netsetter.com

Wait, whoever in here is watching the news---are we now bombing Afghanistan? Cause I'm listening to the radio, and the shit's hitting the fan there. Explostions and everything.

Did we start a strike against them?
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:04:31 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Aaaaand now, it looks like they've caught a chap down in LA, who has apparently confessed to being part of this whole plot. It seems he was heading up to Canada in order to bomb something or other. The third-hand info is that there were supposed to be bombings in both LA and in Canada, though for the life of me I can't think of what anyone would want to blow up in the frozen north...
Anyway, now we KNOW we'll get some answers! Canadians might be weenies, but the LAPD knows its way around a nightstick!
Gunjack Valentine
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:04:05 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Thought I should check in, even though I'm no where near the epicenter of the attacks, it's still scary to be where I am. Why?

Because just within a half-mile from my home is MacDill AFB; home of USCENTCOM (the place that usually runs most-things military in this portion of the country). Today has been hell, mostly due to the fact they had a major influx of people just within fifteen minutes of the attack report... then they had a backwash as they sent all non-essential personal home and closed the base down on high alert status! Then there was ANOTHER influx as all the people currently not on call were ordered into the base (as well as all the civilian famlies returned to get word on the status of their husbands, wives, etc.

At one point, my manager thought they were going to evacuate us, mainly because aside from the capital and DC, Macdill is ranked a major military target for any enemy (according to experts)! In short, I've been feeling like I'm standing next to a thirty mile area painted with a big bullseye on it.

It also didn't help when they scrambled some tankers and planes out of Macdill since Prez Dubya had to be rounded up from Long Key Florida to be kept save (reports was that Air Force One was being escorted by sevreral fighters from local Florida squadrons). I mean, if you've heard that planes are being used for weapons of mass terrorism, wouldn't you duck for cover when you heard a big-block jet engine overhead???

I add my prayers and hopes that people that do have loved ones and friends in NYC and DC learn that they are safe and unharmed.

I also tell everyone that is thirsting for blood of the unwashed sons-of-an-unnamed-goat that did this that I agree... hell we need justice! But at what cost? Sure, I don't like the idea that innocent americans were killed for some fanatic's crusade... but I don't think doing something that might push us into war is the answer! Never, even if the death toll had been in the millions!

Instead, I offer a simpler and just as effective solution: find the ones that did this, send in Spec.Forces (GB's, Seals, etc.) and capture them alive. Bring them back to the US and parade them out for a public execution. shooting or hanging would be fine. I personally prefer a little of the ancient samurai justice...

Bury them up to their neck in sand, then invite everyone that wants to to come along and use a saw on their necks. done right, a person can linger for days until you cut through.

On a more serious note, if anyone gets in touch with Kelly Fay or Ithica, or if they see this CONTACT ME!!! PLEASE!!! I'm worried ten-ways from sunday over you two!

That's all from me... Maintain and Check Six!

[Murmurs the Lord's Prayer for the victims...]

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 06:01:31 PM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

SJ: LOL! No kidding.
Siofra
MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 05:45:24 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

So I'm a hypocrit? Well I don't give a damn.

but anyways last night in my room I moved stuff around and saw this brown spider, I got nervouse, sure enough there was the violin on its back, so with a big fat book I crushed that bastard.

I wish We could do the same to who ever attacked us and we may find out soon if they did force a hijacked plane in Canada.
Spacebabie
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 05:42:13 PM
IP: proxy.lga.netsetter.com

Gunjack: Here's hoping that the Canadian army is secretly composed of a bunch of short, hairy, potty-mouthed, cigar-chomping, adamantium-laced-skeleton wearing guys with odd haircuts.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 05:39:25 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Those two planes I mentioned? Turns out that one of them WAS hijacked... A flight from Korea to, you guessed it, New York City! Someone (Lain isn't sure if it was the Canadians or our boys) managed to force it to land in Canada. Lain says: "Since the canadian army is a buncha weenies, it was probably the yanks..."
So that's a few thousand New Yorkers saved...
And that's ALSO a liiiiiiive terrorist. Let's see how good the weenie canadian army is at wringing information from naughty little boys. I bet Wilek wishes HE were Canadian...
Gunjack Valentine
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 05:30:07 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

*random info*
Yo. On the line with Lain right now... She says that Canada has forced down two korean planes, and detained the pilots for questioning.

Okay, I have NO CLUE why I'm posting this... Probably has nothing to do with anything, sorta like that one flight in california.
Gunjack Valentine
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 05:12:30 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Lain: You know the old expression about assuming things. Or do you? Anyway, no, I don't get happy when people randomly die around the world. If they did something to deserve it, than yeah, I find it hard to have sympathy for them. Maybe that's my failing as a human being. I DID cheer for Tim McVeigh's death. Why? Because he killed dozens of people, including children, not because they did something personally towards him, but rather because he was pissed at the government because of Waco. So yes, I cheered his death, because I no longer thought he was fit to even breath the same air as the rest of us. I won't debate the morality of that opinion....maybe it's wrong. And it might be wrong to say that I will cheer for the deaths of those responsible for this tragedy, but that is what I will do.

Now this will sound really odd coming out of my mouth, but I do think that all of us need to just calm down for a moment. Emotions, to make a HUGE understatement, are running very high. That means we say things we may not mean, out of anger or frustration, or whatever. Or maybe we do mean them. Either way, let's just all calm down. These last few posts have been pretty much everyone just arguing with everyone, and that's not doing any good right now.

If anyone takes offense to something said in here today....just take it in stride. It might be difficult, but when you're dealing with people in here who might know someone who's dead right now because of all of this, you're going to have some very rough nerves to deal with. If you take offense to something like what Greg said, or Green Baron, or myself, or anyone else....just bear through it. For today, at least. People are going through a lot here, they're going to say things. If you want to chastise, do it gently, with a lot of civility. Be supportive.

We don't do ourselves much good if we just wind up bickering at each other. And yes, I'm including myself in that.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:57:39 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

hello, people.

I join you all in that tragedyad I share your anger, and hope that your loved ones are safe. my thoughs and prayers go to them. and I'm a man who preay VERY rarely.

Though something here shocked me. Not the call for blood, but Lain's post, calling SJ hypocrites.
You got guts, girl, to call them that. It wasn't your country, your city that got hurt, attacked.
I live in Brussels, and thus the risk of bombing here is pretty high too, because of the presence of the NATO and the S.H.A.P.E.

Plus I have familly in New Jersey and friends in NYC.And I share SJ and GXB's feeling about the way those people were celebrating! it made me sick, nauseous.
Show respect to people here who are worried and angry. Is it too much to ask to you?

Time for me to go. need to vent some tension before going to bed. Take care everybody. my thoughs go to you all.

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
BELGIUMTuesday, September 11, 2001 04:56:49 PM
IP: adsl-34950.turboline.skynet.be

I'm home now after over four hours of walking. **Winterwolf hugs Dreamie** I'm in shock and upset but physically fine. I just wanted to comment on the casualty estimate for the World Trade Center.

Additionally about the number 10,000+ casualties.> Besides the total 50,000 when the building is fully staffed, 10,000 is less than 1% of the population of Manhattan not including the other boroughs that make up the city and there is a major subway network that exists under the World Trade Center as well as shops and restaurants.

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:36:31 PM
IP: pool-141-155-118-126.ny5030.east.verizon.net

Um, out of curiosity... I keep hearing reports about other inbound international flights that refused to respond. Anyone have info on this? Also, my roomie keeps insisting that someone has set off bombs in downtown manhatten; but I'm pretty sure that one's just distorted info from the news reports that call the terrorists "bombers".
Gunjack "One More Time" Valentine
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:34:36 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

*looks down at feet, and finds them nowhere near mouth*

jennifer>> i can understand that people are hurt and upset. i am too, though my head may be a little cooler, likely cos im in canada and not in the middle of all of the mayhem. i completely agree with you that noone in here would cut a throat or plan genocide, that kinda WAS the whole point of what i was saying; if noones gonna DO it, then why are they claiming that they WOULD? the whole idea of saying something you dont mean is just pointless to me.. maybe im just wierd like that though..

sj>> yeah, i think its pretty disgusting to cheer at anothers pain, or to hand out candy.. its disgusting that they are celebrating with candy whether they ARE responsible for the attack or not. either way, i completely agree with you that its a horrible thing to cheer when someone dies, even if they are your enemy. however you cheered when timothy mcveigh died, one can only assume your response to similar enemies of your nation would be the same. i am sorry if i misjudged you, as i dont know you personally, i can only react to the previous comments i have witnessed you make in this forum. like i said above to jen, though, i dont think calling for genocide was an appropriate response, thats all.

jannie>> just because it was america that was attacked and not canada doesnt mean i dont feel anger towards the terrorists. and it doesnt mean i wouldnt support our little inky dinky weeny-ass canadian army supporting yours if you went to war. even if that meant me. honestly. i dont believe what happened was right. but i dont think i said anything about terrorists sitting in a "time out chair". i do think that the calls for blood should be calmed a little. is that really unreasonable?

10,000+ ? its just terrible. probably worse than that, sadly. i think i WOULD categorize these attacks an act of war. of course, when someone attacks to start a war, you generally know who they are.. i hope that can be determined soon. i am idly wondering if canada will get sucked into this if it becomes a war, though. great time for me to sign up for the army, no? yeah, if we go to war, ill go, pacefist or not. terrorist attacks like that are just.. not allowed.

i do, however, think its interesting that noone is claiming responsibility, usually when a bomb goes off or something, a whole WHACK of people claim they did it but this time? im imagining theyre all getting brown underwear from the idea of american retaliation.. sorry, thats kinda gross but likely accurate..
just cos im a pacefist doesnt mean i dont think they should be punnished, or i dont think this was terrible. for the record.
lain
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:29:20 PM
IP: 198.96.83.41

*goes over to Lynati, sitting beside her, wrapping wings around her, motioning Aaron over*

Those in shock who need some comfort... over here. Kay?

I... I don't want anyone else to die. Too many are dead.. people I pass by in the streets... Someone's family... Everyone touches everyone on this tiny concrete island. It hurts. My heart is aching.

So, I know everyone is hurting and scared right now, but let's not add to the violence in our hearts. We put an end to it.

Public execution for those responisble. Death by smoke inhalation... so they can feel what the entire island suffered through while the smoke was clearing...

Until we find out who it was, please lets not make it worse by our own prejudices. There's no apologizing for such words.. especially the printed word which cannot be erased.

I may not like you all, but I do love you all and I want everyone to be safe and feel a little of that love. We are clans, but not Clan- still we should band together in this time of great difficulty, pain and fear.

*hugs Aaron tightly, resting her head on his shoulder* If war's in our future-and it may be... we need to be strong with the allies we already have... ne?

Mara
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:22:42 PM
IP: ac813a52.ipt.aol.com

Hyperion - You find 10,000 unbelievable? I bet the count is higher than that. I think we are just lucky that it was before the 9am work clock that this happened. Over 50,000 people work in those towers.... Think about those numbers.

I just saw footage from the actually 'epicenter'. Some photographers marched on in and stood in the middle of where the towers once stood. Nothing. It was deadly quiet. No movement. Just the sounds of crunching glass under their feet and the crackling of a few fires. No sign of life anywhere. :(
Jennifer
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:21:09 PM
IP: 1cust190.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

I'm still in shock over what has happened.

I have tried to keep up with the comments here and understand all of the anger, shock, horror, and disbelief.
I too have felt the same thing.

Lain> How dare you come in here and call these people hypocrites!! Excuse me but it was MY country that was attacked and MY fellow citizens that were brutely murdered. What do you expect people to say?? light a candle and hope that the terrorist spend some reflective moments in the "time out" chair?? How many of these people do you really think would slit anyone's throat? These are raw emotions of shock and anger right now. We don't need ANY bleeding hearts telling us that it's wrong.
Hypocrite that we, as Americans, would be dancing in the street if one of our enemies had been attacked by us? Show me ONE time where that has been the case. ONE fucking time. SHOW ME when Americans have celebrated and danced in the street and to add insult to injury handed out candy when our enemy was killed. It's one thing to _say_ that we're glad that an enemy had been conquered - but to physically go out and dance in the streets... like I said, show me.
We are angry and we are shocked. We don't need you or anyone else telling us how to react.
Jan
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:20:36 PM
IP: modem17-73.mo-net.com

Hyperion: You are dead right about one thing -- this is an event which will change the world. It may sound overly dramatic to say this, but nothing will ever be the same after today. If there is one good thing that comes out of this mess, let it be the end of international terrorism.

On a domestic level, another good thing would be for the politicians to get their head out of their asses and finally give Rummsfeld (sp?) the money that he's been asking for. Stop having hearings about whether it's dangerous to drive while talking on a cell phone, okay, boys? Start fixing your budget so that we can actually have a strong military.

And one last thing about the Palestinians: They may NOT be behind this at all. But they aren't doing themselves any good by celebrating, because not only does that put them under suspicion, but with their track record concerning Israel....if international terrorism does come under fire in the months / years to come, the Palestinians may not be around too much longer. They should consider that before they start having a dance party in the streets.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:18:25 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Just heard from several unoffical sources that the death toll is probably 10,000+. I find that unbelivable.
As to the question of blame, well, I'm not surprised that no one is claiming responsibility; would you?
People are not even tresting this as an attack but as an act of war.
If any country in NATO is attacked, it's treated as an attack aginst all memebers, which means, that right now most of the western world is on the brink of declaring war aginst terrorist orginzations.
I vote for calm right now, let the investigation proceed, and once the perpatrator(s) are identified then we cut loose with everything that we have.
I dont' think this is domestic terrorism at all, it has a very wrong feel to it, however it is possible. I think that Bin Laden is a better possibility only due to the fact that he pulled of the bombing of a US destroyer.
I do agree that this probably marks the end of orginized terrorism as we know it. It alos makrs the beginning of a new era in warfare, one where the line between military and civilian is nonexistant. I am deeply afraid that these kinds of attakcs will be how wars are fought in the future.
As for celebrations et al, all I'm saying is I was laughing like hell when the Isrealis launched rocket attacks on Palistanian targets. I can't exactly act inculted when the tables are turned, although it makes me wonder if the Palistinian citizens really understand what is coming down the road.
Ah well, I wish safety to everyone, regardless of location.
hrm..."Remember the Maine"..."Remember September"? Bears remembering...

Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:09:27 PM
IP: pool-151-197-112-229.phil.east.verizon.net

Here�s my view of what happened, what should happen, and what�s going to happen.

In all likelihood a group of Islamic terrorists acting in concert hijacked several civilian planes and used them to destroy the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. They probably had other targets as well, but US security measures stopped (and luck) stopped them. (If some other group was responsible, none of my thoughts change, but the targets do.)

This was an act of terrorism. If they had the backing of their government, then it was also an act of war.

The United States has several choices in how to respond, but they boil down to two: We can roll over and take it, or we can fight back. Rolling over can take many forms, from total capitulation to just doing nothing to taking ineffective diplomatic reprisals. Fighting back can take several forms too. We could use economic sanctions, military force, or some combination. We can fight back effectively, ineffectively, honorably, or dishonorably.

Now, if I was in a position to decide US foreign policy, this is what I would do:
1 � Launch an immediate investigation and find the responsible parties. Exhaust all avenues of investigation. Be really, really sure.
2 � Utterly, now and forever, make sure whoever did it can never do it again. I�m not talking about revenge. I�m talking about self-defense. Someone in the world is willing, even eager to kill thousands of American civilians in an attempt to change our policies. They�ll keep doing it, and keep escalating the violence, until we stop them or give them what they want. If our ideals matter, then we can�t give them what they want, so we have to either let the death toll rise or stop them.

I�d rather have peace than war, but there are only two ways to get peace in a dispute. Either both sides come to an agreement, or one side destroys the other. There�s not really any other option.

The other side in the dispute wants to destroy our culture. Assuming they�re really Muslims, the only way we could possibly pacify them is if the United States became a fundamentalist Muslim state and helped them impose Islam on the rest of the world. They�re not interested in compromise. To the most reactionary of them compromise is a mortal sin. Americans, and most other people in fact, have a really hard time understanding the depth of commitment involved.

(Weirdly, I just had this conversation with a friend of mine recently.)

To defend American lives, I support the minimum necessary force. If we can find all the terrorists and eliminate their ability to wage war without killing anyone, that�s what we should do. If we have to kill all the terrorists, but can avoid killing anyone else, that�s what we should do. If the only way to defend ourselves is saturation bombing of places our intelligence tells us the terrorists are hiding, that�s what we should do. If the only answer is to kill every fundamentalist Muslim in the world� then I�d have to think about it.

As a Christian, just as a compassionate person, I don�t like that idea, but as someone who�s a target of zealots and madmen, what else can I do? I�m not willing to live my life in hiding or give up my freedom. I�m also not willing to die. If a man had the detonator for a bomb, and was hiding behind a hostage, and the only way to stop him from killing thousands of people was to shoot through the hostage then who would be responsible for the hostage�s death? I blame the bomber, not the shooter. The bomber forced the choice.

Of course, what�s probably going to happen is some sort of ill-conceived strike against Palestine, and a little more freedom lost for Americans. The true villains will escape largely unpunished. Some of them will die, but the mass will live on to do more evil. That�s just the way the world works.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:03:08 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Sorry about the Yooper post's w/o body. I keep hitting the stupid Enter key instead of tab. Also sorry for the 3x post, but I want to respond to something.

Lain is correct about chastising GXB for the "only good Muslim..." remark. I don't hold it against him, since I know he's really pissed, with good reason. We all just gotta remember that we only hear about Islam on the news when one of the nutjobs does something like this. Same thing with a whole bunch of other groups. I know a lot of people on the extreme right--hell, many people would consider *me* extreme right--and I can say that all of 'em were horrified by Oklahoma city. Still, you heard all about "right-wing psychos" on the news for months, even though it was the work of a few incredibly unbalanced people. Same thing here. There are about 1(10^9) Muslims in the world, and most of them have nothing against the U.S.
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
Houghton, MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:02:20 PM
IP: jwprusi.resnet.mtu.edu

Gunjack- How do you manage to confuse me and Aaron right after he posts and I've gone to the trouble of choosing a different and distinctive color and pic? 8P

In any event, I think I'll share a message just sent out thru the Elfquest mailing list... Seems to state my sentiments fairly well...

Dear Elf-Friends All Over the World,

As this is being written, barely six hours have passed since an
unimaginable horror has occurred. Our American government has ideas but
doesn't really know who destroyed the World Trade Center and a good
chunk of the Pentagon.

Every great religion of the world has had atrocities committed in its
name. There has never been any reason for America to think herself
immune to such an attack. And yet, this morning we're all devastated,
shocked, stunned, incredulous. In an instant, life as we know it has
changed - for all time to come.

We turn to fantasy for entertainment, for comfort, and often to escape
the troubles of the "real" world. (How many times, in how many films,
have we watched the World Trade towers get destroyed, and smiled at the
Hollywood cliche.) But, as Richard and I have often said, fantasy isn't
really worth much unless it holds a mirror up to the human condition in
some way, illuminating dark corners that wouldn't otherwise get
explored.

And now... someone has invaded our forest, burned down one of our
Holts. And many brothers and sisters have been killed.

Among warriors, the desire for revenge is strong. We want so much to
strike back, howling our outrage. The hardest thing - the very greatest
challenge - is to remember that those who planned, executed and died in
the attack are our brothers and sisters too. Over and over again, the
message we have tried to put forth in Elfquest is that ignorance and
prejudice are the real evils.

Whatever you're feeling right now - and we realize many of you are not
American, so you are looking at this tragedy from many different
perspectives - try, as Richard and I are trying, not to hate.

Whoever did this must be held accountable and punished. Yet we deeply
pray that justice will not come about through war, at the inevitable
cost of countless more innocent lives. Whatever your belief system,
please join us in sending thoughts of condolence to all the families
affected by this catastrophe. Then let us send thoughts of justice,
without bloodshed, to those in power around the globe.

Our technology has outstripped our humanity. As a result, there's no
hope for a lasting peace unless it's born and nurtured in the
individual souls of every one of us.

Wendy & Richard Pini
Robby
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:02:03 PM
IP: acba8927.ipt.aol.com

JEN> Thanks for the comments also. While I may have been harsher than I should have been. I still believe that they have to pay, and pay dearly. I'm not going soft either.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:01:47 PM
IP: dialin-732-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

No, lain, I'm not a hypocrite, and I should not have to explain this to you, and it upsets me that you do not realize the difference.

It comes down to who did what to whom. What is the worst thing we have done to the Palestinians? Maybe I'm a little ignorant, but off the top of my head, it seems to be just that we're friends with a nation of Jews. If we had deliberately provoked whomever was behind this (and I'm talking a GOOD reason, not some sort of perceived provocation), than that would be one thing. This is just an unprovoked attack.

The theory running around is that, if it IS the Palestinians who are behind the attack, than they did so in protest to the U.S. policy concerning Israel.

If that IS the case, than YES LAIN, it is disgusting that they're celebrating with candy. We support Israel, and the Palestinian's response to this is to kill THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS and then munch on a Jolly Rancher.

I'm not sure what you mean by me being happy if it was a U.S. enemy that had been hit. Honestly, I would be unhappy that anyone would have to go through what we're going through now. But if it was a country like Palestine that got hit....and does get hit, routinely, by the Israelites...and they did something to deserve it, like, oh, I don't know, repeatedly suicide bomb the Israelites and generally make it hard for the Jews to even exist....than no, I find it hard to shed tears for them. Would I celebrate, though? No.

But in all honesty I WILL celebrate when whomever is responsible for this is punished. Even if it is an American (which I doubt, but who knows). Especially if it is an American (BTW, if it is another Timmy McVeigh, I say we forgo lethal injection and just go with the time-honored tradition of skinning them alive). So maybe *that* makes me a hypocrite.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 04:01:07 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Lain - HELL YEAH I would be dancing in the streets. Let's bomb the bastards so I can prove it to you. Geez. I don't think SJ or Spacebabie ever claimed otherwise. But maybe, if you try REALLY hard, you can get your mouth open enough to get the OTHER foot into it. ::rolls her eyes and the self righteous one::

RE: the Bloodlust. These people are hurt and upset at what has just happened, people say things they usually don't mean when people they may KNOW are slaughtered. I doubt anyone here who has spoken out would REALLY cut a throat or plan Genocide. Welcome to REALITY... welcome to shock... welcome to pain.. welcome to war, you ignorant bastards.

(gods... it has to be the end of the world... I am defending SJ)
Jennifer
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:56:52 PM
IP: 1cust110.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

...
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
h
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:55:29 PM
IP: jwprusi.resnet.mtu.edu

thats okay, greg, i understand. my father was supposed to be on business to new york this week, and he was the first person i phoned when i got home. his answering machine said he was "away on business" i was freaked, cos i knew he wanted to go to the top of the world trade centre to look out over the city. luckily, he wasnt leaving until tomorrow morning, and isnt going at all now. this would be the second time hes missed a terrorist attack, this time it was by a day, last time was a bus bomb in moscow that he missed by 1/2 an hour..
*hugs greg* i still love you, though
lain
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:55:13 PM
IP: 198.96.83.33

The blood center is closed. My RA was told not to call back until Tuesday. We're gonna see about getting a University-wide drive.

Apparently things in Washington have been calm, according to news reports. And in NY, people are walking around without speaking and making eye contact. Is this report true?

We definately have to hunt the fuckers that did this down. Hell, even if Usama bin Laden (UBL to the intelligence community) isn't responsible for this itself, we should just kill him to "pick up the spare" for the USS Cole and African Embassy attacks. We need to get that SOB and crush anybody that tries to stop us.

Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
Houghton, MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:52:37 PM
IP: jwprusi.resnet.mtu.edu

Everything has pretty much been shut down here, too. The effects of this are rippling over the whole country. Everyone where I work had been glued to the radio since the first reports of the first plane crash. Several of my coworkers have friends or family who work in the financial district of NYC, so it just got more and more surreal as the additional reports came in.

We all got send home at about 11 AM... downtown Cleveland was pretty much evacuated. There was also a plane that landed at the airport here that was cordoned off on the runway for a good two hours before it was determined it wasn't hijacked or carrying a bomb. There's also been some bomb scares at some of the downtown federal buildings... leave it to the kooks to turn up and start making the bogus phone threats.

There's a lot of rumors flying right now. I've had NBC news on since getting home. The reports I've heard were that there were four jetliners hijacked, and all other flights over U.S. airspace have now landed and are accounted for. Two of the hijacked planes hit the World Trade Center towers in NYC, one hit the Pentagon in Washington D.C., and the fourth crashed in Sommerset County, PA. The theory being floated right now is that it's target may have been Camp David. Reports are that a cell phone call was placed from inside the plain to alert authorities that it had been hijacked, from a passenger who had locked himself in the restroom. Nothing, yet, though, on what caused the plane to go down.
The FAA says air travel in the U.S. is suspended until tomorrow at noon at the earliest. Obviously, we can expect airport security to be severely tightened when things resume. And if I may take a brief moment to be cynical... let's hope that involves the switch over to the use of professional security guards who are not hired based on the low bidder and paid barely more than minimum wage like the current system.

Back to news updates... no estimates yet on casualties. There were over 250 people just on the planes alone. And at a press conference a short while ago, NY Mayor Guiliani confirmed at least 1500 "walking wounded" and at least 750 already in NY area hospitals.

I offer my thoughts and prayers to everyone touched by this tragedy. I hope everyone else does the same. We are all rightfully outraged, but this is not the time for kneejerk reactions. It disturbs me to see people demanding retaliation against an entire religion or ethnic group when we don't even know yet who is truly responsible. But I do hope to see a strong U.S. response as President Bush has promised once culpability is determined.
That's all from me for now. :: goes back to watching the news ::
Patrick Toman
Cleveland, Ohio
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:49:43 PM
IP: acba9970.ipt.aol.com

Lain> Again I'm sorry for what I said. But again this has hit close to home for me. As I said, I have friends and there's a chance that they may be dead.

I even called my father to make sure he was okay, and those who may remember my problems with him when I aired them here last year know how big that was for me. Thankfully he is all right.

Yes I don't believe in God, but the word 'God' is ingrained in my vocabulary anyway.

Again I'm sorry for my comments. I'm really sorry, but things here are are (figurativly speaking) going straight to Hell.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:49:00 PM
IP: dialin-732-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

...
Yooper
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:48:20 PM
IP: jwprusi.resnet.mtu.edu

sj, spacebabie>> you HYPOCRITES! dont you know you only get to be pissed at people cheering and handing out candy if you WOULDNT be doing the same thing if the situation was reversed? come off it, youll never convince anyone you wouldnt be doing EXACTLY the same thing if it was one of the US' enemies that had just been attacked.. especially YOU sj..

gunjack>> go back to studying! oh.. and they had tom clancy on the news reading the reports when i was toasting my bagel thismorning..

why dont you people stop calling for blood and go DONATE some to the people in need, sheesh.. at least yooper has some sense! then you might actually do some good, instead of just running off your mouths. noone even KNOWS whos responsible yet, and theres nothing you would or could do even if you knew who WAS!

greg b>> the only good muslim is a dead muslim? excuse me? did i hear that right? for all you know, it could be an american who pulled this off, attacking your own government. stop, think, and wait till you have the facts before blaming someone and saying something horrific like that!
and dont tell GOD youre overcome with grief and rage, you dont even believe in GOD..

green baron>> good thing youre in finance, not in the infantry, huh? cos that way you wont actually have to slit the throats of the children, you can just hide in the background.. which is good cos youre all talk anyways. coward! if youre going to be a member of your nations national defence, at least be man enough to be able to back up your sick and outrageous suggestions!

infinity>> thanks for the hug.. i went to the london airport and gave random hugs to people, before they kicked me out for wearing a suspicious-looking backpack filled with suspicious-looking liberal arts textbooks..

before i left, i head there was a blood donation clinic on campus. im going there to donate.
lain
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:39:59 PM
IP: 198.96.83.33

Delurks.

Holy Christ, I can't believe this shit. I heard this from somebody telling me to turn on my TV.

My condolences to anyone who may have lost a family member in the attack.

I gotta go check about donating blood...
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
Houghton, MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:30:42 PM
IP: jwprusi.resnet.mtu.edu

CAROLYNN> As I said before, forgive my harshness a lot of what I'm saying is in anger, but I have personal friends down in that area who I am not sure are alive right now. Not to mention other friends of mine in grief who have friends and family down there who are likely dead now.

I'll post again when I have come to my senses.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:22:08 PM
IP: dialin-732-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Robby - An intersting thought... But I'd expect domestic terrorists to pick different targets. Most domestic radicals are right wing, ne'? One would expect them to pick governmental targets, and especially beurecratic(sp) ones. The pentagon especially would seem like an odd choice...
Don't most domestic radicals want to "strengthen" america? why deliver a groin kick to our economy? Incidentally, SJ, this is why the president called for an investigation. If someone whacks you on a crowded street, firing blindly in all directions is generally NOT a good idea...
Gunjack Valentine
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:21:59 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Okay, Bin Laden, Islamic Jihyd, Hammas, and several of the other major terrorist groups have denied responsibility. Not that we trust them, after all, they're terrorists, but we may have to look at the possibility that this is not imported.

No, this may be a fine domestic blend of terrorism, brought to you by the same people who brought you Oklahoma City. Remember how we didn't believe in domestic terrorism before then?

Something to ponder...

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:12:51 PM
IP: dialup-64.154.229.71.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net

I'd agree with CM and Mecord; the bloodlust is disturbing. Cutting the throats of women and children, and hanging them in the streets? o.O ...C'mon, people, think SURGICAL. I've already had another round of the "Why can't we assassinate dictators" arguement today, and smart bombs in the bedroom windows of certian select people sounds like a danged good idea to me.
Out of curiousity, anyone here read Tom Clancy? ; P

Lynati - I think the "not fully staffed" part was just "good" luck, especially at the Pentagon. Considering they killed 10,000 people in NYC, it's pretty clear this wasn't intended as a shot across the bow...
Gunjack "I REALLY Should Be Studying For My Psyche Exam" Valentine
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:11:39 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

I hope everybody is okay.

I just wanted to let everyone know (mainly TGS staffers) that I don't know when I'm going to be able to get home, since all the airlines are down. I need to find a way to get from Flordia to Texas. The news just said that all the flights might open back up at noon tomorrow. I can only hope.

I can't belive this is actually going on.

Again, I hope people here who are in that area are okay...

That's all I have time for.
Alan Coleman "Ordell" Waltrip - [alan0815@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:04:09 PM
IP: 63.103.130.166

Here is a thought.
It was too early for the WTc to be fully "staffed".
and the wing of the pentagon- I bleieve- that got hit had just been reconstructed, and so wasn't greatly peopled.
and nobody knows what brought down that plane outside Pittsburg.

What if all three of these were deliberate, the deliberately attacking of NOT-full places, just a notice to us how much worse it COULD have been. Yeah, we killed of 10,000 of your people, but if we wanted we coulda done you WORSE." now THAT is a freaky thought. and they KNOW IT.

*goes back to staring at the floor*
Lynati
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:01:06 PM
IP: 207.94.232.241

Thought we'd check in. Living in hick town I doubt there's any danger for us. I would like to make one suggestion though.

TONE DOWN THE BLOODLUST!!!!

Please, screaming for blood will likely get blood and some of it will be innocent. Blood feuds arise and more people become involved and that's how we get WWIII. The assault was Terrorist and a good deal of the world is now pissed off with them. They attacked the World Trade Centers, which means a majority of the world powers are pissed off at the terrorists. They will be found and they will be dealt with. But we have to let the government deal with them and it is our duties to salvage what we can.
Please I'm just asking that we keep our heads and control our anger. I'm just as pissed off as anybody. But our thought should be to the survivors and the families of the deceased. Our greatest danger is loosing ourselves to hatred and vengence, therby becoming the monster he hate. Think Hunters Moon people. Goliath nearly fell victim to this same principle. This time it is all of us who are living the tragedy. Gargoyles may be fiction, but it teaches the dangers that we all face today. That's why I love the show and what we have kept alive here. Let's not throw away everything we have built.
Mecord the angry Elf and Cat the er... Cat
Logan, Ut, Chaos
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:58:04 PM
IP: ppp45.pm5.usu.edu

Hey, hold the phone, Greg. "The only good Muslim's a dead Muslim"?? Hello???? Don't lump all people as destined for hell just because of one dumbass faction. Are you going to condemn all Christians because of the Inquisition, or because the Nazis were predominately Christian? I don't think so. I realize you're pissed off, and I'm feeling the same way, and I'm NOT saying that we shouldn't be. HOWEVER, please think before you condemn an entire culture based on one group (the Muslim kid living across the hall from us is just as devestated as we are). Now's the time to unite, not disemble because we can't agree on someone's worth based on the actions of murderers who happen to share the same religion ~ Cat
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:50:23 PM
IP: pc169-71.drew.edu

Hear, hear, Sevarius Jr!! This whole afffair is like a twisted, Tales from the Crypt version of "Independence Day". It's totally surreal, and we gotta unite. Nobody ever succeeded at anything totally by themself ... at least, not often (I mean, Martin Luther King and Gandhi wouldn't have been as successful as they were without thousands of believers uniting with them). My love to everyone ~ Cat
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:45:36 PM
IP: pc169-71.drew.edu

4 Planes down. The only positive news I've seen so far is that it was still too early for the WTC to be fully populated. I've been watching the news since I found out about the attack strangely enough, right here in the comment room. Saw it here, checked the news it's surreal. For anyone who is keeping track Atlanta is closed too. Schools and shopping malls closed - government buildings on high alert - it's like everyone is waiting for another shoe to drop even though all U.S. aircraft have been accounted for.

Prayers and hugs for all that need them.
kathy
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:45:26 PM
IP: client114072.atl.mediaone.net

I'm here. I was out at my friend Ron's house. His father used work intelligence in the Israeli army, and he had a bit to say about this.

This was not Bin Laden acting alone. It's way too big for that. I think we have all reached that conclusion.

Right now I'm with SJ. Kill them all. The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim!

We have many cultures in the world and despite differences, they all want harmony and peace. And we have one culture who doesn't think anyone has the right to exist besides their own. Cut off the problem at it's source.

Also, the Twin Towers should NOT be rebuilt. We need a memorial there, a national monument to remind us of this, and never allow it to happen again.

I'm just really angry right now. If a few people think I sound too harsh, forgive me. But, God. I am just overcome with grief and rage.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:42:26 PM
IP: dialin-732-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Wow, I haven't been in this place for a while (to anyone who remembers, I used to go by the handle Aerie). I just wanted to stop by and check up on everyone and make sure you're all okay. Y'all stay grounded and hold hands and relax. I know it's hard to do right now, but the calmer you keep yourself, the easier it'll be to keep from going over the deep end. A lot of folks on my campus right now are going batty, and so it's a good thing to stay calm and BREATHE. We'll get updates in due time, but for now, keep your head twisted on right. Now's the time to gather your loved ones and pray and talk to each other and not go running around like those idiots in Baltimore than Niahmgold is talking about.

It's really bizarre cuz I had nightmares all last night and woke up at 9, fell back asleep until just before 10:30, and then I had to turn on the news and see THAT. Not a way to start your day. If anyone's seen Rob Houck (aka Jethro), lemme know?? I don't know if he's still in Manhattan or what. He's more the type to go painting in Central Park than scoping out the World Trade Center, so I'm not terribly worried, but all the same I'd like to know my rookery brother is alright. Goddess be with you all! ~ Cat
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:41:15 PM
IP: pc169-71.drew.edu

Short prediction before I head out to see if classes are still going on today.
The international terrorist community is FINISHED. I'd put out even odds that the UN finally stops screwing around and starts burying people. We'll probably do it in a plausably deniable fashion, but I'll betcha bodies are going to start turning up in gutters within a month or so... The terrorist community is essentially a (somewhat) unified political entity, right? Let's just clean 'em all out...
Gunjack Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:40:11 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

You know that I, Johnny Republican, love any chance to make jokes about or insult Clinton...

BUT I think we should all look beyond politics right now. Whether you didn't like Clinton and what he did in office, or if you don't like Bush now and what he's doing in office, that isn't the point.

I'm not the best spokesperson for unification, but I say we should all be united as Americans right now, regardless of politics, etc.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:36:35 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Mystic Mythian Maiden: Pardon me, but Clinton wasn't the one dicking around with the Chinese last year almost getting us into war with them. He kept things peaceful, and I'm not blaming Bush for this, I don't think we could have been prepared for something like this no matter who was in office. We can't live like we are always prepared for war, or things will never be sane.

And a PREDICTION is different then a premonition... predictions are based on theories and guesses from facts, not some dream you had.

Hyperion: <<remember the Michigan GM plan can go from cars to tanks in 10 mins>> Great, draw attention to Michigan! :P
That plant is about 20 minutes from my house!

Everyone here is kind of in shock still...some of my friends have family in that area and are either waiting to hear, or have alread found out that they are all okay.
Siofra
MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:19:13 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Our classes have been called off as well, so far there have been no threats on the Dallas area but it is advised here and everywhere not to go out unless necessary.
Greg X may not be able to post because many lines are down in the NY area
stay safe everyone it may not be over yet
Revel
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:18:13 PM
IP: ac868c5a.ipt.aol.com

Afghanistan has already put out a press conference saying that Bin Laden isn't "sophisticated" enough to make the attack.

That's called covering your ass. Cause if we find out it is him, Afghanistan officially goes to the top of our hit list for giving the sunavabitch safe harbor.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:13:19 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

*Creeps in, finds Mara, and hugs her*

I have quite a few friends in New York. I do not know if they are all alright.

I'm still not feeling well. I slept through my first class. reset the alarm, and what news wakes me up?
Oh, okay. Kansas City didn't get whacked. I wasn't sure, I kept hearing about highjacked planes, and there was something about 89 planes being landed, now at the airport, and the city looking for places to house all the people...but I just this second hear it is only from the airport being closed down.

Right before coming here, I checked email...got one from my dad. he said he and one of his assistant, Michele, drove back from CT yesterday. They were lookign at the two WTc buildings. And now those have collapsed...
My family in MD is 45 minutes outside baltimore, but my dad works closer to the city.

It was a rather short email, apparently they evacuated the building he works in while he was writing...

*Curls up in a ball and hides under wings*
Lynati Kshudra
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:03:14 PM
IP: 207.94.232.22

I'm alive and alright guys. I don't live anywhere near an urban or remotely public area (ie potential target), thank the Deity. Since hearing of this, I've wavered between praying that this doesn't bloom into a war on our soil, and thinking up myriad suggestions as to the disposition of the pigs who did this (hopefully a miniscule clique of maniacs who just got lucky...the alternative is too terrifying to consider). Even more than usual, the stuff that's been running around in my head would make Vlad Tepes vomit. If I can have Christmas early this year, I want those *things* on my doorstep, bound and gagged. I have such sights to show them.
Wilek
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 02:02:39 PM
IP: 64-243-193-96.wireweb.net

another tidbit: several planes were forced down on Colarado before they hit NORAD.

Bin Laden suspected as the mastermind.

I'd imagine Afgahanstan is pretty damned nervous right now..I would be.

BTW: anyonne here see the movie Swordfish?
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:52:02 PM
IP: pool-151-197-31-63.phil.east.verizon.net

I just found out that there was a plane heading for Camp David and the plane was forced down before it fully got there. Camp David is just fine, folks. I found this from my mom from the news.
Mystic Mythian Maiden
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:40:31 PM
IP: ac86c83e.ipt.aol.com

First off, I PRODICTED this to happen right after the Gulf War was over. In this prodiction, I said to my parents, "Here comes WW3." They said, "Don't be stupid. It won't happen. There aren't that many countries out there to do this again." This is what my dad said. Then in the prodiction which lasted many years to grow and get worse, there was a bombing in this and families were seperated by the WW3. Also, there was some one I loved very dear, I couldn't see his face but, we were reunied in a cave. (Which now is Gavin here on the board) That part has come true of the one I love. The bombing has come true and the war is next if Bush doesn't kill that fucker NOW!! I don't care if there will be families killed over there, why breed evil, I'd rather have it DEAD. ALL GOOD SHOULD LIVE NO EVIL SHOULD LIVE AND BREED!! IT SHOULD GO BACK TO HELL!!! That fucker should die, most of the country should pay for the hell they sent us from the skies. I hope and pray that Bush does the deed well, if not, I'm going to be ill.

And thanks go Clinton, after fucking the US with the belief of no more wars/terrorist and here it is, we were not prapared for this to happen. Clinton shut us all off to the reality that it wouldn't happen and now look what he did. What an ass and I didn't even vote for that fucker, but I did vote for Bush, both Bush's at there time.

Okay, that is all I have to say I think. Later. Pray for the best everyone.
Mystic Mythian Maiden
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:33:47 PM
IP: ac86c83e.ipt.aol.com

Seeing as I'm on the other side of the country, I'm alive.

I have only this to say before I run off to class: HOLY SH!T.

That is all
Josh
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:23:03 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-199.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Aaron: There was an aircraft that crashed NEAR camp David, but did NOT hit it.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:22:59 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

J0. I am here.

Also, there is suspision that it MAY be Iraq.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:22:02 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

This... is fucked. This is like living a fucking Dale Brown novel, except I can't guarantee the bad guys will get it at the end.

Yes, I do seem to be swearing a lot today. I think in light of recent events, we can waive the usual standards.

Guys, take care of yourselves out there. All of you.

And to everybody who's left the room over the years, if you're lurking, come back. Post just to let us know you're okay.

We're getting reports that Camp David has been hit. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:21:46 PM
IP: 129.115.240.72

As I cannot confirm the validity of this, I will only post the link to the article. However... if it IS true...

---Emambu
Emambu
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:14:14 PM
IP: dorms-pppoe-1-76-100.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

I say we find out who did this and nuke the F*CK out of whoever did it, just massacre them all. make them pay for what they did!!

and on a bad note, if a war does start up then a lot of people could get drafted into going into the war. and that would include me. I guess I should check by home and see if I had been drafted or something. and may the Gods help us all....
Gavin
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:09:13 PM
IP: dh171.scarlett.mtsu.edu

Sevarius Jr> Spare the women and children? Why? Slash tehir throats and hang them in the town squares. That will send a true message to those who dare to attack the US. Pearl Harbor was nowhere near this awful. Thank God I'm in Finance and not Infantry right now. Still US ARMY Europe is at Threatcon Delta. It was at Threatcon Alpha.

One thing that concerns me is that a lot of muslims in the US will be killed and possibly interred like the the Japanese after Pearl Harbor. I have no problem with slaughtering the families of guilty parties, but msot Muslims do not belong to insane groups like this.

As for Palestine, Israel is our allay and we should help them solve a major problem. There are Arabs in the Knesset so the whining about Palestinians needs to stop.

In other news, Osma Bin Laden "feels our pain". I don't know what to make of that. Either they're mocking us, or its not them. In the latter, things could be a lot scarier.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:36:48 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

Might as well check in. Was wakened to the news that classes were canceled because of the bombings and thought it was a joke for a couple seconds. Being a college age male, am glad it doesn't appear to be Russia or China, as for those we would most likely need a draft. And allegedly we will be getting the smoke in a little while.

Na lepshego. Best of everything.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:33:02 PM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Hyperion: *nods* My brother was sent home today from teaching in Philadelphia.

SJ: I heard that rumor about the plane as well. If it's true, then those families should be recognized.

I should probably check on one of my friends now. He has nothing to do with this, but he has a large quantity of Israeli blood in him. I'm afraid he'll become a target.

---Emambu
Emambu
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:29:45 PM
IP: dorms-pppoe-1-76-100.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

** Niamhgold...again **

God, I'm hoping everyone in the CR is all right...Winterwolf, be safe! Dreamie, I'll pray with you. I'm glad you guys have been posting and letting us know you're all right!

Baltimore's going f*cking insane...I'm pretty much stuck inside. There are stupid, idiotic people running down the street, beating up random people, breaking into things, gunning their cars...what the holy hell are they thinking!!!???!!! I *hate* stupidity. This is supposed to be about pulling together and kicking the crap outta whoever did this to us. No protests if we declare a war. This is *bad* I can't even make a phonecall, can't check on my dad who was on a business trip, can't really do much except sit here and wait. Can't drive anywhere, either. Gawds.

I'm praying for you all and praying for all my friends that have to walk/shuttle back from class. Stupid people!!!

Adios
Niamhgold
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:21:50 PM
IP: 206.41.205.100

This will make you vomit.

I'm hearing now that the Palestinians are celebrating in the street. Shooting guns off in the air, shouting "God is great", and -- the best part -- handing out candy.

Candy.

If we find out it was those bastards behind it all.....I'm sorry. I hate to sound like Adolf Jr., but.....

Genocide.

Well, maybe spare the women and children. But the rest?

Genocide.

I'm sorry, I know that's knee jerk, but I tend to get angry at tragedies like this.

Holy shit...did they just say we went into Defcon 5?
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:19:37 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

What a Week I'm having so far, lst night I found a brown recluse in my room and now his.

You want to know what really makes me sick? I just saw footage of people cherring and dancing in Palestine.

BOMB THOSE BASTARDS!
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:17:39 PM
IP: proxy.aus.netsetter.com

< hugs lain> God, this is awful. I know I don't come in here much but I'm an almost constant lurker and I wanted to make sure everyone was all right. <runs round giving hugs>
Infinity - [bethmg@nltc.net]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:17:07 PM
IP: nltc3-191.nltc.net

Hey all...hell of a time to be alive,huh.
Heard about this and figured I'd see how you all were doing.

What I know is this:
-There are about 8 planes still in the air, all fully loaded with people, wether hijacked or not is unknown
the WTc has been destroyed, and the Pentagon is still burning out of control.
-There was at least one car bomb at the state Depratment, possibly others.
-A plane chrashed near Somerset, in west PA, another was shot down near Camp David
-Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Dc are totally shut down.
-The CDC has gone to full alert
-IBM and the CIAC believe that an internet worm was released near the time of the attacks
-Current top suspectes are either Bin Laden or Afgahanstan, although the Islamic Jihad made a statement supporting the attack
-Britain and Germany are both convening security councils, major building in both countries have ben evacuated.
-The White house has been evacuated, except for the Vice-President and the Cabinet who remin in the Situation room.
-All other critical staff have been moved to a secure location in Northen VA.
-Canada has shut down all airports

All I can say is this is war, pure and simple. I believe that our response will make the Middle east look like a sandbox spat. IF Afgahanstan is involved, I imagine there will be a declaration of war within a week.

SJ> as much as I'd like to storm off and fry the bastards, give it some time. We're not going anywhere and remember the Michigan GM plan can go from cars to tanks in 10 mins.
I have a feeling there will be retibution on most, if not all of the worlds terronr orginizations, and it will be like Sodom and Gemmorah all over again.

Stay safe
-Hyperion

Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:14:07 PM
IP: pool-151-197-31-63.phil.east.verizon.net

I think I better be going as well,but please,Sorow if your out there Please email me or otherwise respond as soon as possible,please be okay.
Xanathar
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:12:21 PM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Lain: You know its bad when college people stop drinking beer. But seriously, everyone is kind of in shock right now.

SJ: Medal-- very good call if that is the case.
Siofra
MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:12:05 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

yeah, emambu.. all the planes are comin here. i think maybe i should bus to the airport thisafternoon and give random hugs..
lain
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:08:34 PM
IP: lily.visual.arts.uwo.ca

OH MY GAWDS!!! :::runs and holds Winterwolf close:::

I don't want you there my love! Get away from all the areas of high political and world importance. :::Cuddles Winterwolf close::: I love you!! Stay safe my love!

GB: Dont forget Seattle... they've already closed off the Space Needle and Columbia tower here.

Crzy, SJ, Mara, Greg and everyone else: I hope you and your loved ones are all ok. :\

What kind of sick terrorist fuck has this kind of apathy for other human lives?!?!
I have one word for Bush.... VENGEANCE!!!
Dreamie
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:07:48 PM
IP: acb4f644.ipt.aol.com

ive been feeling uneasy and sick to my stomach since i got to class. then i went to toast a bagel and saw something reaaaaaally bad.. theyre not drinking beer at the campus bar.. theyre all watching cnn..

i cant believe it.. i dont know what to say.. im so sorry. im glad that youre all safe. i love you. i just wish there was something more i could do (other than stare at the television in shock) i love you so much, i dont know what else to say.
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
north..
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:06:44 PM
IP: lily.visual.arts.uwo.ca

The REALLY scary thing? There's supposed to be a plane that's just screaming towards D.C., and our jets haven't taken it down yet.

You want to know how in a panic everyone is? We've just shut down the Mexican border. We're shutting down the entire country, folks.

About the Pittsburgh plane: they think that the reason that plane went down was because the terrorists could not gain control of the plane, because the passengers / crew fought back against them, causing the crash.

If that is true, than those people died heroes. I'm serious. A few dozen dead is horrible, but better than a few hundred or thousand. Find out if that's true, and if it is, get the names of the dead and GIVE THEM A MEDAL.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:06:32 PM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Corbie is particularly appropriate for today.

...oh man... I'm physically ill.
I want to see blood. Lots of blood.

Not for revenge, though.

I want the people responsible for this never to be able to do it again, and I want anybody who ever even thinks of doing something like it to be so utterly terrified of the cost of reprisals that they soil themselves for considering it.

Kill the threat and forgive the corpse.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:06:21 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

All classes have been cancelled here as well. Server here is really slow, everyone trying to get info and talk to people all at once...
Siofra
MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:03:59 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

I'm going to have to go. My thoughts are with everybody.

I'm going to need a hundred years to understand this. And a thousand to understand Why.
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:00:44 PM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

Classes were cancelled here, so I'm back sooner than I had expected. Anyway, yes, the plane that landed outside of Pittsburgh was a passanger plane. A 747 I believe. I'm not yet sure why it crashed where it did as there's nothing important out there. Rumor is though it was heading for Chicago.

I recently heard this on the news too: All planes still in our control have been ordered to land immediately. All planes inbound to the US from another country have routed to Canada and ordered to land. I'm thinking that the four to seven (the numbers keep varying) planes still up in the air are going to be shot down before they crash into anymore buildings. It would explain why all other planes are being ordered down.

---Emambu
Emambu
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:00:32 PM
IP: dorms-pppoe-1-76-100.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

Greetings from Germany. I was at work when I heard about the World Trade Center hit.

Who is behind this, I don't know. It coudl be Bin Laden. Yasser Arafat has condemened the act. If he is killed, we'll know who was behind it.

Britain has naturally condemned the attack and Germany is convening its security. My area has gone to threatcon Delta, the highest threat level, and I think all of USAREUR has this right now.

If the Palestinians are behind it, Israel has my blessing to clean out their nation of all hostile elements and I hope the US would support them in a full range takeove of the Middle East. Israel and Turkey are the only nations I trust in that region.

The US was attacked, so these killers will face US Justice, unlike Milosevich who may face a life sentence in some cushy priosn under NATO law.

Whoever did this will pay!! Of course this may not be Bin Laden. It could be domestic. This could have been done by someone right in our beloved nation. Well, we'll know soon enough.

Mara, Greg> I am so glad you're all fine. I hope my aunt in Manhattan is fine, though she can see her sister in Charlottesville.

Mandi, SJ> I'm glad you're both okay.

Crzy, all others in LA> I don't want to sound like a downer, but Los Angeles makes a nice target for some jihad, so I hope you're safe. Same goes to people in Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, and Chicago. I hope that nothing worse will happen.

In other news, Robins AFB has been evacuated. This is because they repair a lot of palnes and have Mac Flights going to DC. I hope Atlanta is safe, especially fo rmy beloved Heather's sake.

Goodnight and GodBless.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:56:27 AM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

Fleur:I'm affraid that at least one of those planes did,it was on it's way to Los angelies when it was hijacked.the loss of life and the total calousness(if that is the right word to use,I'm still stuned bby it all) of it all is unfathomable.:(
Xanathar
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:51:38 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Valentine> That's it. Now I AM going to throw up.
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:48:23 AM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

Winterwold *hugs* I'm so sorry.
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:47:28 AM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

Fluer - To my understanding, the hijacked planes were carrying normal loads of passengers. Add that to the tally.
Valentine
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:47:22 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

I�m okay. I was just finishing up a little workout routine that I do before work, when I get upstairs to where the TVs are and I see what look like two smoke stacks billowing smoke. It wasn�t smoke stacks though. After a moment I read the caption and saw plane hits World Trade Center. I found out at this point I was seeing this shortly after the second plane hit the other tower. I walked out onto the street and I could see from where I am the north building with a huge gaping hole in it. I was in shock. Then it was devastating when first one tower collapsed on itself then the other. I felt totally violated. I still do. I�ve lived here all my life. Even worse is the loss of life. People were jumping out of windows because they knew the building was going to collapse. That how desperate some were.

I have to pause for all those who lost their lives through these attacks today.

Well I�m going to head home now. I might have to stay at a friend�s place in the city though since all transportation has been halted and the city locked down.

I hope everyone else is okay in here. I�ll be back later.
Winterwolf

Winterwolf
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:46:02 AM
IP: ice.greyinteractive.com

The hijacked planes - especially the commercial ones - they didn't have passengers on them, did they?
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:46:00 AM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

Fleur:*hugs*I know you are,I was agreeing with you in that this is all just to horrible to comprehend.
Xanathar
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:35:39 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Shit. what do you say when something like this happens?

First of all, to those who live in, or have families and friends in D.C. or New York My prayers go out to you, I hope you and your loved ones are all right.

Everyone who's already checked in from these unfortunate cites, glad to hear you're pulling through.
Graymonk
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:32:37 AM
IP: asy01.dial.upei.ca

Xan> Hey, I'm with you and SJ, and everybody else here. I just don't want the _other_ innocents suffering. Find the *is lost for an abjective* responsible for this. Make them suffer for the rest of their lives. Then blast them so far into hell they end up orbiting it.

Kyryn> Scroll down. Greg's fine.

Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:30:21 AM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

Fleur:I'm just elaborating on what I said in my last message,I've never liked war(in fact I'm a firm believer that war should kept on the computer screen)but this is scaring the hell out of me,this could very well lead to world war three.like you,I don't think I will be able to sleep tonight.

Xanathar
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:29:09 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Anybody heard from Greg Bishansky?

There are no words sufficient to describe this............

Kyryn
Denton, TX
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:28:36 AM
IP: exofw.aicpa.org

Is this for REAL?

I just heard on the radio....and this isn't confirmed, but....there are EIGHT hijacked planes in all? Four of which are still up there?
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:28:32 AM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

BTW: Emambu, I just got off IM with Winterwolf.. he's ok.. about to try and get home.
Aingeal
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:25:59 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

Hey... ::hugs:: to all those that need them. I'm trying to keep up but ive got to head out to work.

Mandolin, i've got friends, and my BF in Havre De Grace area at the moment, as well as Aberdeen, etc. Is ALL the LD calling out up there... would explain why I'm not getting called back from my pages...

::runs off to worry some more::

Aingeal
Podunk, USA
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:23:55 AM
IP: iprism.southernvirginia.edu

I just got an e-mail from Dad. He's still at work, but he's okay. Thinks APG is too small potatoes to be targeted. God, I hope he's right. Trying to talk him into going home will be like trying to talk to a brick wall.

But he's okay. I just hope Mom finds a way to check her e-mail as well...
Mandolin
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:23:14 AM
IP: cc300246-a.catv1.md.home.com

Fleur:*sighs* your right,it's just that I'm worried(Like all of us are).
Xanathar
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:18:03 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

SJ:Thanks for the info,that's pretty much what the F-15's are flying around for as my friends here suspected(they will shoot it down before it causes more damage probably)
Xanathar
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:14:19 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Jen, Greg> *hugs* I hope your brother in law and your friends are okay.

Mandolin> I'll be joining you on that interspace flight. It's times like this I'm reminded that, for all our brains, the human race can be lower than animals.

Xan> I don't know if I'm relieved, or even more sickened. This is going to get so ugly, and, having seen all that footage of burning buildings, and knowing that there could have been 100,000 people in the World Trade Centre, as much as I'm a pacifist, I just don't know.... How could somebody justify doing that? There's a part of me that wants this to be some psycho nut, and not political, because, as crazy as it is in Palestine, there's still people there who just want to live their lives like the rest of us. Innocent blood does not wash away the stains of innocent blood.

But it's GOT to stop. Because you CAN'T justify this. Because there's a whole f*cking flood of innocent blood flowing through New York and Washington right now, and something HAS to be done.

It's 1am, I've got a full day of uni tomorrow, and I really should get some sleep, but there's no way in hell I'm going to be able to.

And I thought the sh*tiest thing about my week would be my grandmother's funeral.
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:13:53 AM
IP: proxy1.mel.pacific.net.au

Mandy can sort of commiserate with me. D.C. is going insane now, isn't it? I can only imagine how it is in New York.

Xanathar: They're saying that whoever is behind this has hijacked a D.C. security plane.

Anyone ever see the movie "The Siege"? This is it.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:10:53 AM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Mandolin:I'm glad that you are ok too*Hugs*

News flash:Apparently there is a fourth Hijacked plane out there.

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:08:37 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

I'm glad you guys are all okay, and if you are near some of these areas, I hope that you and your family are safe. This makes me absolutely sick.
I can't believe that this is happening, and the widespread damage and loss. Keep safe everyone...

Siofra
MI
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:07:01 AM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Oh, thank the Gods I've got Internet access!!!

For those who know where I work: I am (relatively) safe at home. The minute the word got out that Social Security HQ employees should leave, I packed up my stuff and got the hell out of there. The problem? I live in Maryland, just outside of Baltimore. I now have no long-distance phone access. And I don't know how to get in touch with my Dad - he works at a military base in Aberdeen. My aunt and grandma at least live in the calling area; if my roommate doesn't need me to pick her up from work, I'm going to go over to Grandma's. Just to stay with them.

**shakes head** It's finally happened. The US has *REALLY* pissed somebody off.

I want to move to another planet. I don't want to be part of the human race anymore.
Mandolin
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:04:41 AM
IP: cc300246-a.catv1.md.home.com

Jennifer:I hope your brother is okay.

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:02:02 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

So, I was getting up and had a day off from classes. i got up and got dressed prepared to take the train down to New York City with some friends. I was going to meet them in Greenwich village which is near the World Trade Center.

I turn on the news to check the weather, and what do I see? Why what everyone else saw.... FUCK!!!

JEN> I hope your brother-in-law and friends are okay. I really do. I have a couple of friends who were near there and right now I do not know if they're alive.

MARA> I'm glad to hear that you're okay also.

SJ> I agree with every word you said. Someone is going to pay, and I hope it's a lot of people. I know who my primary suspect it, and it's Usama bin Laden. I haven't heard his name brought up yet, but I'm sure he and every other terrorist will pay for it. They had better.

I hope President Bush shows the world that we will no longer take this shit.

I spoke to my father on the phone this morning, and he said that when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, one od the Japanese Admirals said "we may have just awoken a giant." Well, now I say to those followers of Allah, YOU GOT THAT RIGHT YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT BASTARDS!!!!
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:01:31 AM
IP: dialin-676-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Holy shit, the other tower just collapsed.

That has to bring the casualties to the hundreds, if not THOUSANDS.

I wish I could be sad, but at this point I'm so goddamn angry that I can't be.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:00:52 AM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Sorow:if your out there please email me,I know that you live in texas but I need to know that your alright.
Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:57:10 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Adding to carnage: South side of Pentagon has collapsed. Also, I believe it has been confirmed that two car bombs have gone off, one in front of the Capitol building and one in front of the Senate building.

UN FREAKIN REAL.

Fleur: My money is on Osama Bin Laden.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:56:04 AM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Fleur:A Palestinian(SP?) terrorist group has claimed responsiblity for the attacks.
Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:54:11 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

*shakes head and groans*

This is insane. This is utterly f***ing insane! All those people...

Winterwolf: If you're reading this, please post. I'm going to be really worried until then, and for anyone else who was in New York or D.C. today.

I'm feeling a little too sick to post anymore at the moment. I may be back later.

---Emambu
Emambu
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:51:24 AM
IP: dorms-pppoe-1-76-100.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

Robby,SJ,I'm glad you guys are okay and I agree with you SJ,it's payback time.

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:49:39 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

You know what would be really frightening? If it wasn't a nation that was responsible for this, but some evil f*cking cult, like those nutcases who set off that nerve gas in Japan. How the hell do we stop _them_? Not just from attacking America, but other places too.
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:49:37 AM
IP: proxy1.mel.pacific.net.au

I have just returned from the licence, and I've heard of what is happening in the USA. I hope nobody of the CR was involved...and, I hope everyone in the high floors will keep nerves steady.

...

I've just been recalled in service. Very well, I had not even time to open my baggages, and I have to leave again. Again I hope everyone is alright...I'll give news of me as soon as possible.

Shadowrider
Milan, Italy
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:47:23 AM
IP: h255-20-241.mi2.albacom.net

I'm okay. I live in the suburbs of VA, about 15 miles or so outside of the actualy city itself, so I *should* be fine.

But my dad works in D.C. and I've just heard that all government employees have been ordered to evacuate their offices. All hell is breaking loose here in D.C.

This is surreal. My biggest concern when I woke up this morning was whether or not I had enough Frosted Mini-Wheats to eat for breakfast. Now we got goddamn mass hysteria.
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:45:25 AM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

SJ - for once, I totally agree. TOTALLY.

Pearl Harbor of the new era. Time for the US to show em that you don't FUCK with us! Regan would have nuked their asses by now.

I am sitting here crying. There were over 50,000 people in all of those buildings. My brother in law is in that mess somewhere, not to mention numberous friends.

No way we can sit back now and just "investigate".... no way.
Jennifer
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:44:02 AM
IP: 1cust105.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

** Niamhgold enters **

Jesus christ, this is freaking scary. Now a plane crash outside of Pittsburgh? Jesus christ.

** Exits **
Niamhgold
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:42:34 AM
IP: 206.41.205.201

And now the second tower has collapsed. I think I'm going to throw up.

Robby *hugs* Glad you're okay.

Oh thank christ you're okay, SJ. I knew you lived in Washington, and that buildings were being blown up all over the place there. I was just about to post a big 'POST, SJ, DAMMIT!!' message.

I just wish I could remember where everybody else lives.
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:40:27 AM
IP: proxy1.mel.pacific.net.au

Admins, please forgive me, but HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

Let's go over the score card as we know it right now: World Trade Center Tower One---hit by airplane. World Trade Center Tower Two---hit by airplane, and GONE. Broke in half. Pentagon----HIT. Part of it is a smoldering wreck.

There's tons of other unconfirmed reports about other explosions around the country, mainly in the D.C. and New York area.

This is it. You know how they alway talk about "What would happen if the U.S. was hit?" We just were. Now Bush has called for "an investigation". No, no my friend. This is what you do---you find out who did this, and you destroy them.

We KNOW who did this. It's the same assholes who've done it before. Pardon my horrible political incorrectness, but it's these same goddamn towel-head camel-jockeys that believe that Allah has commanded them to destroy all things American.

So, here's the game plan, or rather what it should be.

For all of the bleeding hearts in the world, you do a QUICK investigation, just to make things look good. To "identify" the perpetrators.

Then you wipe them all out.

I mean out of existence. We KNOW which countries they are. We WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Nothing, no more, it's over, Johnny. We bomb them until there's nothing but ashes. We bomb them until their land is nothing but one big wasteland, then we pave over the dirt with concrete and build an amusement park on their graves.

I'm sick of this shit. I'm sick of the pussy way in which the U.S. has handled these things in the past, letting madmen like Bin Laden live when we could take them out, but we won't because we're afraid that the other countries of the world will shake their fingers at us and say, tsk tsk. Screw that. No more.

No more fooling around: This is where we declare war. We find out who did this (although I'm sure we already know), and we kill them. No rhetoric. We just annihilate them. Any country that bitches and moans at us to stop, we tell them to shut the hell up or they get a peace of the action too. What a mess.

Good morning, America.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:35:10 AM
IP: 66-44-90-107.s615.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Now the other tower of the trade centre has come down,it just exploded,those poor people didn't have a chance.Please everyone be alright!!

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:32:58 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

...
Anonymous
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:32:37 AM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

Holy crap! The world trade centers AND the Pentagon? What the HFIL is going on? Normally I'd toss out some kind of wisecrack, but this just isn't a laughing matter... Eeesh...
Robby
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:30:17 AM
IP: 129.115.240.72

A third plane has apparently just crashed into the Pentagon,it looks like the Pentagon is gone!!
Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:24:36 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

I hear ya Mara, good to hear you are okay. Somewhere my Brother in Law is in all that mess. ::keeps her fingers crossed until she hears from him.::

Those of you in Manhattan... check in. We are all worried about you.
Jennifer
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:20:11 AM
IP: 1cust55.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

*Hugs Mara*I'm glad your okay!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:20:02 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

There just isn't an expletive powerful enough to describe this. I don't even think Wilek would know one.

Mara, thanks for posting. One less person to be terrified about.

*goes back to worrying herself sick, or maybe just feeling sick* God, if you'd listen to me, you've got a lot people who really need you right now. Look after them, please.
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:16:00 AM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

Gods, this is making me sick.. when will it f*cking stop?! Just so you all know and don't worry too much, I'm safe as is my family...

I feel horrible, especially about the people in those buildings.

I feel even worse because I was almost going to go into teh city today... it's too shocking... it's too f*cking surreal.

Welcome to The Running Man universe, already in progress.
Mara
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:13:11 AM
IP: ac9a7ac0.ipt.aol.com

Oh my God,I've just seen the second tower of the Trade centre come crashing down!!

Xanathar
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:03:06 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

If this wasn't so serious, it would almost be amusing 'Hey everybody, watch the Aussies freak!'

I hope everybody is okay, and... oh hell, I just don't know what to say. Good luck? My thoughts are with you? I hope nothing more is going to happen? I'm sorry, and believe me, I'm not trying to be flippant, but this is the last thing I ever expected to see, anywhere.
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:01:38 AM
IP: proxy2.mel.pacific.net.au

What the hell is going on,now the Pentagon is on fire!!!and the Whitehouse has been evacuated!!

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 09:54:03 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Okay, I just heard something on the radio, and I'm honestly not sure if I've heard wrong.
The announcer said that _two planes_ just crashed into the World Trade Centre.
WTF?
Fleur
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 09:42:01 AM
IP: proxy3.mel.pacific.net.au

*Runs into the room*I just saw on the news that two Airplanes have just crashed into the world trade centre in New York,Terrorism is suspected,if there is anybody in here who lives in New York I hope you are safe and otherwise unhurt.

I don't believe this is happening(It's the sort of thing that I'd expect to see at the movies but never in real life),this is completeley F@%K#D UP!! :(

Take care everyone.

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 09:41:14 AM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Josh> <<Shoving a USB cord into a modem or ethernet port rarely helps.>> We've got a router with a USB port, thank you very much. <<That was me punishing her. All the rest are next!>> **smacks Josh** Then why didn't you go for one of the ANNOYING ones?? Thuy Trang at least had some common sense - she was one of the few who went back to school and got a degree after ditching the show. If you really wanted to do some good, you could have bumped off one of the Pink Rangers... or that other Yellow one who's apparently doing borderline porn now.

Seriously, I know you're kidding - I'm still going through this code, and I swear the programmers who slapped it together forgot about something called "logic" ... yeesh.

SJ> Well, now I have even less respect for Jennifer Lopez, and I didn't think that was possible. Can't she take a joke?

Mandolin
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 08:57:09 AM
IP: s3abab9.ssa.gov

Walks into the room lugging his massive Engineering Mechanics book.

Hi guys and gals.

Today SUCKED. Again. Ya know that lame "looks like someone's got a case of the mondays!" saying? Well, I've got it. Bad. You try sitting through 6 engineering courses and see if you don't drill a hole in your forehead to let the boredom out.

After I got out of class, I was starved. I didn't eat breakfast and didn't have any time for lunch, which meant I hadn't eaten in 18 hours. Hungry is not a good thing for me to be. I get grumpy when I'm hungry (not that I'm happy normally).

So I went back and ate a massive sandwich, sat down at my machine, and got to work on homework. I'm really trying to bust ahead this week. I'd like to be done with at least 2 weeks work by Sunday. Dunno if I'll be able to do it, but I'll sure as hell try. Right now I'm up to Friday. Sorta. My CE130 homework due on Wednesday isn't quite done yet.

I got totally stumped on my CE100 homework right at about 11PM, which is the official "end of homework time" for me. No homework after 11PM on a weeknight unless its due the next day. On the weekends its different, since I don't wake up till 3PM, but that's another story.

My friend John came over late and started working on the Stat homework I'd already done, so I was helping him with that a little. Niamhgold was right: despite my apparent impatience, I can be a really patient and competent teacher when I want to be.

The laptop arrived at my dad's office today, so mom was setting it up tonight. She discovered she wanted Quark, Photoshop, and Illustrator today...if only she'd told me early I could have acquired them for her. Now she'll either have to spend $1000 or my dad will have to violate the licenses on his copies at work. Then she calls me around 10 and tells me that there aren't any phone cords around the house. I know this isn't true because I left a pile of 3 or 4 sitting in the corner of my room, connected to splitters, etc. She walked into my room and couldn't seem to find it. I told her that dad has a box of cables in the closet but the response I got was "Dad isn't interested in helping". Jeez, what's up his butt?

Oh, I know what's up his butt: my money. I discovered today that my dad has decided to pay for my laptop in installments. Of course, he cleverly didn't inform me until AFTER my laptop had shipped. I really want to do something just to prove the point that his access to my bank account is a privilege, not a right. On the other hand, I don't need the money that badly (even if I did have plans for it). I'm upset, and I feel kind of used/cheated. But saying something will only provoke a fight, and both my father and I need to calm down a lot.

But ooh, I have this amazing urge to say "will you be returning possession after the lease expires or did you want to pay interest?" At the rate he's paying, if I charged interest then I wouldn't have to chip in my own money for my new iBook. On the other hand, I wouldn't get it until next summer. This, of course, is unacceptable.

That is my dilemma. I don't blame my father that money is tight in the family right now (well, it IS his fault, poor spending habits, but whatever), but he needed to tell me this before I shipped. I would have tried harder to sell it on Ebay or elsewhere, or created an installment plan that made up for the fact that I wouldn't get all the money at once.

On the plus side, that laptop only depreciates in value, while the payment remains constant.

I also got a tech call from my brother today: AOL hard crashed (gee, THERE'S a shock) and I taught him how to force-quit programs. He can't wait till the driver for his printer comes out so he can switch to OS X. I'm so proud of him.

Okay, enough of this. All I want is for my tower to work and to have a snazzy 4-pound iBook to take home. Not so much to ask, is it? I've already got one of them...

On to replies!

Mandolin: <<her USB connection's being a pain>>: Shoving a USB cord into a modem or ethernet port rarely helps. <<more "As per your request" e-mails. Delete>>: Why don't you set a filter? Filters are my friend. <>: I would think the fact that you refer to them as "idiots" is an answer to that. <<the original Yellow Ranger, was killed earlier this week in a car accident>>: That was me punishing her. All the rest are next! <<Need to go back to work now>>: I know how you feel.

The Wizard: <<saw that SW Episode II trailer>>: There's a trailer!? <<Christopher Watkins>>: Who? <<they had the _gall_ to show Jar Jar in the opening trailer>>: I hope that Lucas finally completes his sell-out process and kills Jar Jar just to appease his fans. <<Don't be worried about your temper>>: Hey, if its keeping me from getting sex, then I need to worry. <<you can't get half as bad as someone with the passion and ire of an Irish-Italian woman>>: Did you notice the qualifier "no one who knows me well has disagreed with me"? That was there PRECISELY because I knew you would say that. <<Those three ingredients make for a very volatile mix>>: Actually, all that's required for a volatile mix is "woman". <<My brain is going to explode, which is fitting because we're critiquing our illustrations of the headache>>: LOL.

Lain: <<im posting... from a mac>>: Woohoo! Another one bites the dust...bow bow bow. <<a scary, scary mac>>: Um, how is it scary? I've heard macs called many derrogatory things, but never "scary". <>: Just open the browser and go. Oh, unless its got some sort of lame web filtering. Not much you can do about that. <>: Yes you do. So does everyone else. For when I am king... <<this is the first time ive ever even TOUCHED a mac>>: Ooh, a virgin! <>: If its a gray tower, its a G4. If its blue, its a G3. If its an all-in-one unit, its probably an iMac (or a special education edition G3). <<im mezmerized by the blue funkiness of the hard drive>>: Um, you must mean the tower, because you shouldn't be able to see the hard drive. And if its blue, it must be a G3. <<the round clickiness of the mouse>>: Gah! Freakin' hockey pucks! You Canadians WOULD like those! <<this small yet functional and quiet keyboard>>: Its probably not the full size one, but I'm continually impressed at how quiet the macs are. <<my roommates printer broke the other day.. so she bought a new computer>>: Damn! I wish I could do that...oh, nevermind. <<brought it home and that was that>>: Did she give you her old one? <>: No, rich people deserve new computers more than poor people. Sorry. <<sj... dont MAKE me take you off my christmas card list>>: You send x-mas cards! sweet...

Sevarius Jr: <<SJ walks into the CR, scratching like crazy>>: Must you do that in front of us!? <<Maybe she does too, but the folks at DC aren't brave enough to write that story>>: I wonder what happens if her lip poison goes THERE. <>: But can you channel electricity? <<If I start bending spoons with my mind, you'll be the first to know>>: And then I'll be able to do it since you're my clone. <<don't replace your star quarterback with the second-stringer whom you have a hard-on for>>: Even if its Elizabeth Dushku? <<Brak Show>>: Starring me (I'm Brak!). <<the most Dr. Quest / Race fag jokes I've ever seen in a 12 minute program>>: Ever watched The Man Show? <<Robert Smigel's work on "TV Funhouse" on Comedy Central proves that he is, at least, a minor deity>>: Where else can I watch a dog try to catch his own tail for 30 minutes?! <<in all future telecasts of the 2001 VMA awards, you will see no Triumph / J-Lo interaction>>: SUCK! I guess Britney is next. <<for bending over and taking it up the ass for some dumb bitch who suddenly thinks that she's important in ANY way>>: There are a lot of guys out there who would take anything up the ass if J-Lo asked them to. <<an alien from a species that we haven't seen before in Trek>>: I guess they'll be eliminating that species sometime during the show to explain why they're not around in the rest of the series. <<first contact with the Klingons>>: And get blown to smithereens because the Klingons kick ass first and ask questions later. If at all. <<I'm guessing that, already, in the first season, they make some sort of extreme continuity error>>: You're giving them all season? My money is on an error in the first episode! <<And the Trekkies (or Trekkers or Losers Without a Life or whatever they call themselves>>: Trekkers. I know, I was one. Before that crap called DS9. <<This is a mess just begging to happen>>: Continuity errors ALL over the place. <<Kirk had no father>>: Proving that he's not just acting like a bastard, he IS one. <<There's a dirty joke there that wants to be written>>: I figured that it didn't need to be written. <>: I mean in the performance, sicko. Usually the trannies exist for the sole purpose of doing the time warp. This time they were dancing through most of the movie. <<Than you shall have them! By the Power of Grayskull>>: Sweet! Okay...so...where are they? <<you and I must keep up a united front. We do not have a lack of a sex life: we are major sexual deities (or deviants, depending upon the occasion). Let no one think otherwise! We have an image to maintain>>: Gotcha. I got laid twice today, what about you? (there, how was that?) <<Isn't the whole point of college that you finally get to sleep in late before you go to school?>>: Unfortunately, I'll be working my butt of this semester so I can graduate on time and slack off just a bit the rest of my career. You should have seen last semester. No classes before noon (because I didn't go to them, they weren't important), and I didn't go to classes on Friday because I didn't have to. Rarely went to labs. It was beautiful. You can see my old schedules at www.kicktothenuts.com/gobears <<why does that sound like every other music group being played on MTV today>>: Probably because it is. <<I've never heard any of their music>>: As a fellow fan of Tool, NIN, etc...let me say...THEY SUCK. <<Of course>>: Ditto. <<Did you catch the episode>>: Nope. <<That's so hot. Wait, did I just say that out loud>>: Okay, I'm the sexual deity, you're the deviant. That settled it. <<Beauty is in the eye of the beholder>>: You mean "beerholder", right? <>: Dude, if its large enough to sit in, you have nothing to be jealous about...where do you find pants?! <<Would *I* bend or break the rules>>: A better question is: "If SJ did, would I get kicked out?" <<who's the tattler?>>: I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, can't prove anything! <<Off your Christmas card list? What for>>: Probably for being a jerk, would be my guess. <<rather self-over-valued post>>: Way to fan those flames! <<here's an obscure joke that only a handful of you will get>>: South Park? No, that's not right...

Stephen: <<Oh well, I should get some overtime hours for my trouble and sore feet>>: Overtime pay rocks. <<Watch your e-mail this week!>>: What it do what? <>: But there's nothing there.

Xanathar: <<somebody has made a Xanatos in steel-clan armour model for Quake 3!>>: If anything can get me into first person shooters, that's it. Now all I need is a copy of Q3...Hmmm, according to your link, it needs a taunt sound. How about "Excellent!"

Robby: <<in order to better help distinguish me from Aaron>>: Whatever happened to posting in pink? <<Why aren't you ever on IM anyway?>>: The same person can't be online at two different locations, and I'm always online...oh, wait, nevermind. One person CAN be online on two separate accounts. <<being slaughtered by the inking>>: Damn tracers. <<hadn't realized that DPH has been using my old color all this time>>: If we didn't know better, we'd think you weren't paying attention ;-)

Ravyn: <>: If not I'm sure he'll beat you. <>: What is wrong with you people?! How can you think of anything but laughter at a time like this? <<Mmmm...small block V8's...yummy>>: I'm SO not gonna say anything. <<if I saw the picture right, Britney Spears had this grunge look going on, and she had a snake over her shoulders>>: The grunge look can be cute, but the snake...no.

DPH: <<No person noticed that I typed 1+1=2>>: I did, I just forgot to comment on it. <<somebody needs to alert marketing that those ADS aren't going to reach the intended audience>>: Marketing departments have a two-drink minimum. <<Why can't it do that automatically?>>: It does. There's gotta be a switch that's wrong on your software. Check your prefs. <<These people can be trusted>>: Yeah right. <<You can't be more paranoid than I was when I first came here>>: Um, sure he can. <>: That would be unrealistic.

Smut Pandering Bitch queen of all creation: <<when he got smacked twice after the buzzer, he was really irked>>: I'd have been pissed too. <<how could I possibly take that as dirty?>>: Well, you ARE the smut pandering... <<will have a site update coming soon>>: I should start working on one of those. <<Greg's Card>>: Signed. I'm not very eloquent on cards and other things of the sort, but I'm told its the thought that counts.

Wilek: <<Everyone who owns Quake 3 or is thinking of buying it, click my name. It's about time someone did this>>: Too late, Xanathar already posted that.

Gside: << How will you make sure the inner bot always has motive force>>: It'll be on a rail or on treads. Assuming the radio signal can get through, it'd be impossible for another bot to damage the mechanism for motion in the bot, since its protected by a big honkin metal ball. <<Na zdorov'ya>>: Short one tonight, eh?

Okay folks, its 1230, and I've got a meeting at 10AM. Sleeptime. I should be online and chatting tomorrow while I do work...then again, maybe I'll just do work.

I can see B.S. behind twenty feet of lead reinforced concrete, in a blizzard, at night, underground, on another planet, in a galaxy far far away.
-Christopher Titus, Titus

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 03:41:00 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-199.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Imzadi> <<Yes it would!>>: Question number 3: How will you make sure the inner bot always has motive force (aill not get knocked on its side)?
<<And what do you think the odds are of that?>>: Knowing how lazy we are? Not very good.

Welcome back Mandolin.

Wilek> Too late, Xanathar already got it.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:53:46 AM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Everyone who owns Quake 3 or is thinking of buying it, click my name. It's about time someone did this. :D
Wilek
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 01:21:24 AM
IP: 64-243-193-96.wireweb.net

Me again ...

It's that time of year again, with Greg Weisman's birthday coming up quite soon. Noel continues her tradition of designing a card, which Tim and I have posted with a guestbook. So, everyone, here's your chance to sign the card! Clickie clickie. Pass it around, but don't tell Greg yet! ; )

Christine - [Sign Greg's card!]
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:44:17 AM
IP: 16-195.075.popsite.net

SJ > thanks for the link and the laugh!

Fire Storm > Darth's health is fine; she came back only slightly less plump than when she left and her coat was in good condition. I can only figure that she was getting fed and cared for someplace before finding her way home.

DPH > I think what the guy who was going on about $100 per pulvierizer shot meant the amount he figured he'd have to shell out in repairs; I noted the way he was telling the judges "We're out! We're out!" wanting them to start the count fast so he'd take less of a pounding and hence less damage. Then, when he got smacked twice after the buzzer, he was really irked.

Warpmind > gee, how could I possibly take that as dirty? ; ) As for T.J., time shall tell!

Tara > Barnes & Noble? Is it their e-book thing? Best of luck with it.

Update > will have a site update coming soon, including another birthday card for Greg with a guestbook to sign. Got some pics to add to my Gallery, links, and other stuff.

Crzy and Patrick > 'member when I was telling you about something I was working on that I'd had the occasional qualm of guilt about? Pfff ... so much for that! Nice to know I haven't lost my touch!

Six nights down and four to go before I get a night off. I love my job. I love my job. I can make it. Just keep thinking of that nice overtime check ... yeah.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, September 10, 2001 11:18:18 PM
IP: 16-195.075.popsite.net

Eee, hadn't realized that DPH has been using my old color all this time... Ah well... Perhaps something else... (I'm gonna end up with Rich Orange again after far too much experimenting probably...)
Robby
Monday, September 10, 2001 10:22:39 PM
IP: ac9f9050.ipt.aol.com

Hmm, this text color matches Payne's glowing eyes... Does it match Brooklyn's shoulder pad?

Ravyn- I'm on IM pretty dang often, its usually a quicker way to get ahold of me than e-mail... Regardless, I'll leave my addy in the corner so that you can sends me pertinent Coyot-ey info... (And that was super bad slang right there...) Or I suppose I could e-mail you liked you asked, but I'm lazy that way...

Stephen- Seriously, don't bother buying Dragonblade unless you're a GD completist... Just skim through it for the garg jokes. That story was *NOT* what it was supposed to be. The whole project was supposed to be drawn by Ben Dunn... And it wasn't. When I wrote it, it was outlined as a three issue mini, and then I was informed it was only going to be two issues... So it was written as a two issue mini... And then got cut back to a 32 page special. Needless to say, there's a lot more story than there is pages... Its a fun little romp, I'm still pleased with the jokes and inside gags and some of the visuals, (Particularly the first three pages) and the coloring is decent, but it is not what it should have been...

As far as script format, not likely to happen, since I tend to write my scripts up on as many as four different computers or by hand depending on whats conveniant and most timely, and Dragonblade in particular was a collosal mess due to all the rewrites for space... (And on everything Ninja High School related its largely a moot point since Ben rewrites and improvs most of the dialouge. Issue 87 was pretty close to the original script tho... Still can't believe he actually put in the "pound" joke...)

Not much to script format in comics tho, its just like script format everywhere else. Say "PANEL ONE", describe what's in that panel and what the characters are doing, and then put "CHARACTER A" and put the dialouge.
Robby - [MrNoying@aol.com]
Monday, September 10, 2001 10:18:57 PM
IP: ac9f9050.ipt.aol.com

No person noticed that I typed 1+1=2.

IMHO, they should off making any series for a while, at least until ST:DS9 has made a few movies. The next thing is bring in some of the best science fiction writers *OUTSIDE* of the Star Trek enterprise to work on a storyline for another series. No prequels. Farscape has done well because they can get only 1 season approved at a time so they have to turn out great stories or else. Star Trek needs to do the same thing.

**BAD ADVERTISING**
I saw ads for car insurace during Digimon and Power Rangers. Please, somebody needs to alert marketing that those ADS aren't going to reach the intended audience.
**END BAD ADVERTISING**

**SATELLITE**
This is driving me nuts. Every 4 hours or so, you have to tell the Direct TV system to pull information on upcoming programs. Why can't it do that automatically? I mean once you get the full listing, it's not that big of a deal to pull the information out once every hour to update things.
**end satellite**

Anonymous - what's the deal with not revealing your name? These people can be trusted *looks at the dark corner* for the most part. You can't be more paranoid than I was when I first came here. Where's the option where I keep both cows AND I share milk with my neighbor?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, September 10, 2001 09:52:20 PM
IP: max1-41.cwy.cei.net

ROBBY - <<Stephen- You know I'm just teasing, right? You and I never seem to agree on anything, so I'm just starting with the standard ideal now that we never agree on anything unless its an absolute truth.>>

Well, there's absolute truth, and then there's the cold, light-of-day, undeniable truth... but, yeah I guess we can agree on that. Agreeing on the truth, that is. ^_^

<> At least you didn't call me Fujiko! (grins!) Personally, I always thought I was more like Gijan. We both wear the cool hats! ^_^

Though we've disagreed over things in the past, I will say this much. The fact that you've gotten to work for AP, and published no less, earns respect from the writer in me. I'll be looking for DRAGONBLADE at my local comic shop to see how it looks.

One thing I would like to ask though is if you could send me a copy of the script format that you've used? If that's okay, that is...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Monday, September 10, 2001 09:22:20 PM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

Robby> Send me an e-mail, and I'll see about getting you Don's new addy! ;) I think it'll be okay with him if I tell ya. **crosses fingers** I hope... ;)

Mandi> Dang...I always liked the ol' Yellow Ranger...that's really sad to hear about Thuy. :(

Greg "X" Bishansky> THANK YOU for posting the link to the Hunter's Moon script! That's sooo awesome. What an amazing piece of writing. :)

FS> <<Some women read trashy novels. Some girls use sex toys. You think about Chevy small block V-8s! :)>> Darn right!!! ;) Mmmm...small block V8's...yummy... ;)

Dreamie & Winterwolf> <> Oh, me too!!! <<Kids aren't so bad. You just need to remember you were one yourself.>> That's the scary part... ;) <<And when you are an aunt you get to have fun then leave when the kid gets cranky for the parents to deal with. That's a sweet setup if you ask me.>> True...but the thought of my brother ever having a kid is just creepy... ;) And let me just say...y'all are cute together. :)

Josh> <<Was she hot? Naked? Wonder-bra-ed?>> Hm...well, if I saw the picture right, Britney Spears had this grunge look going on, and she had a snake over her shoulders... <<You weren't supposed to tell anyone. Now I have to kill you.>> **chuckles** ;)

Okay...guess who's *still* missing Coyote...? ;)
Ravyn - [webbedwarriors@yahoo.com]
Monday, September 10, 2001 09:02:15 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Eh, in my gratuitous plug, I forgot to note... All the books I'm working on are published by Antarctic Press, and are most likely in the "Independants" section, or possibly "Manga" than anywhere else.. (I'm so used to working there I forget other people might not have a clue what the heck it is...)
Robby
Monday, September 10, 2001 08:52:47 PM
IP: ac8da168.ipt.aol.com

I figure I'll try posting in my old color from waaaay back when along with the Isaac Payne pic (which I drew) in order to better help distinguish me from Aaron. Not much of an issue cause he's posting about as much as me lately. And I'm only posting to reply to fairly minor things... (Or, I'll get bored with this color and pic real quick and go back to my old "Rich Orange color" due to sheer habit... Might hunt for a new pic tho...)

Stephen- You know I'm just teasing, right? You and I never seem to agree on anything, so I'm just starting with the standard ideal now that we never agree on anything unless its an absolute truth. I consider you Zenigata to my Lupin. The fact that we agree Disney's treatment of the Ghibli films was bad proves something I suppose.

SJ- I honestly don't recall who told me what the link was. Somebody I talk to on IM. (Why aren't you ever on IM anyway?) THe last weekend kinda blurred together for me... Regardless, I checked and to my surprise, Pistoff does INDEED look like Robotnick!

BTW, I *still* buy the Sonic the Hedgehog comic. I don't really enjoy them anymore cause the writer and artist they have in charge of the main story suck... (Backups are still okay writing and storywise, but since they're backups, they're pressed for space.) I was gonna stop buying it after issue 100, but one of my friends, Dawn Best, is actually drawing for the book now, so I'm picking it up just to see her work, which is naturally, being slaughtered by the inking...

And speaking of being published in comics, I suggest ya'll head to your nearest comic store and try to find a copy of DRAGONBLADE. Don't buy it unless you like what you see, just skim thru it, cause I wrote it and colored it, and there's a couple Garg jokes in there. (Couple Wheel of Time jokes too, but no one is gonna pick up on those...) One in particular is just for Traveler, as the story has an insane ninja leprechan who constantly shouts out "Dragons dragons dragons dragons dragons!" (I could also plug the fact that I've been writing and coloring Ninja High School since issue 85, and will continue through issue 89, and pick up again with 94... And I could also plug that in the latest NHS annual I have a story with the Crocadile Hunter, a naked catgirl, a giant mecha from Trigun, a brief Lion King cameo, a Xellos and Luna inverse cameo, a Captain Harlock and Outlaw Star riff, and Vinnie's giant pie gun Mr. C, but I'm not one to gratuitously plug anything...)

Coyote and or Ravyn- Don, I have a check from AP for you for the piece you did in the Gold Digger swimsuit. I need an adress to send the check to...
Robby
Monday, September 10, 2001 08:49:42 PM
IP: ac8da168.ipt.aol.com

Hi Guys!!,I just found something on the Polycount website that I think you should see,somebody has made a Xanatos in steel-clan armour model for Quake 3!:),I hope they make more Gargoyles character models for this game.(can you imagine Demona with a BFG! >:) )

Anyway,just thought I should let you guys know,click the link to see for yourself.

Take care everyone.I'll try and post again later(I haven't been home much lately).

Xanathar - [ameader@bigpond.net.au]
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Monday, September 10, 2001 08:16:18 PM
IP: cpe-61-9-128-142.vic.bigpond.net.au

Greetings all... Well, what I thought was going to be a good week at work turned out to be a major bummer. I was asked to come in early today - hours before my scheduled time - to take up some slack due to a member of our staff calling out. Well, now I have to come in early all week because the person revealed the reason for their calling out; death in the family. Oh well, I should get some overtime hours for my trouble and sore feet.

MANDY - Sad to hear Thuy Trang's died... I remember the original MMPRs. Sure, it was hokey at best, but it was still the first successful Sentai show to air on the US Airwaves. Much condolences to the family.

SJ - <<Re: Football Comments>> Now you see what some of the Tampa fans have been frustrated over since Chris Carter... We get good QB's, but because of some factor or another (mostly lack of protection in our case), we end up losing them to another team, where they end up doing damn well. I guess the best example was Trent Dilfer... We lost him to the Ravens, and he takes them to the Super Bowl and wins.

Either way, Tampa beat Dallas, YEAH! Sure, they're not the cowboys of old - as in the days of Tom Landry yore - But they were still a tough bunch to deal with. And though it was an ugly win, it's still a WIN. And Tampa is going to need all of them to make up for not completinng the 2000 Season with what should have been the ultimate in every franchise's record: hosting their own Super Bowl.

One more thing I will say on football: I'm looking forward to the 2002 Season! Why? Because that's when the Houston Texans will premier. Yep! Texas will finally have two NFL teams again, and while I'm unclear on the talent they're getting, I already love the logo and the name. (winks to Spike!)

NIAMGOLD - Watch your e-mail this week!

LAST THING - I finally, FINALLY got my personal website set up, so now if anyone wants to add it to their weblinks, or would like to update any old links of mine on their site, go to the following (or click my name):

http://stephenrsjr.tripod.com/index.html

Right now, only my pro-writing site is up, but soon I'll have my Gargoyles page online.

With that, I'll close with my usual... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Monday, September 10, 2001 06:48:48 PM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

**SJ walks into the CR, scratching like crazy**

It doesn't need to be said, but I'll go ahead and say it anyway: poison ivy sucks. The plant that is, not the comic book character. Maybe she does too, but the folks at DC aren't brave enough to write that story. My arms are so covered in Calamine lotion, I look like that kid from the movie "Powder". If I start bending spoons with my mind, you'll be the first to know.

Football Summary: Well, yesterday was the first day of the "official" NFL season. For those who are fans of football, that's a good thing. Here's the basic wrap-up for Sunday: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers won (against the Cowboys, who suck, so they should have won anyway), and the Redskins lost. The Redskins are, of course, my home team. I bring up the Tampons�.I mean, the Buccaneers�because they have Brad Johnson as their QB. The Redskins USED to have Brad Johnson as their QB. We, of course, let him become a free agent at the end of last season instead of signing him to a new deal. Why? Because "Napoleon" Dan Snyder, the vertically-challenged owner of the 'Skins, is absolutely homo for Jeff George, our current QB. We could have had Johnson; we wind up with George. What does this rambling mean? The proof is in the win column. Tampa has one big W so far, we don't.
So, your lesson of wisdom for today: don't replace your star quarterback with the second-stringer whom you have a hard-on for. Cause it'll only serve to bite you on the ass (and not in the way you want it too).

HELPFUL REMINDER: EVERYONE WATCH CARTOON NETWORK'S "ADULT SWIM", SUNDAY'S AT 10 PM, EST.!!!
Seriously. It's a fantastic block of programming. You get "Home Movies"�.okay that show sucks, but it doesn't last *too* long�..but you get the truly excellent "Brak Show", starring the wonderfully insane Brak and his sidekick, Zorak. You'll get "Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law", which is so like a Robert Smigel cartoon that I'm shocked they're airing it on the CN, even if it is on at a late hour (That's maybe the most Dr. Quest / Race fag jokes I've ever seen in a 12 minute program). There's also "SealLab 2021", a wonderful spoof of the classic TV show (last weeks episode gets a thumbs up for being the only cartoon, I believe, in existence which actually gives a plug to Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal", that great tome which advocates the eating of infants. Real baby-back ribs!!! DRIPPING OFF THE BONE!!!). There's some Space Ghost thrown in there (I had never seen the "Piledriver" episode before. Did I ever mark out for Randy Savage as Grandpa Space Ghost! "I'm gonna give you the Atomic Elbow Drop, brutha!"), and the program wraps up with some Cowboy Bebop. Trust me, it's three hours of your life that you'll be glad you spent.

In other news, J-Lo, in her all-consuming quest to become Supreme Bitch of Celebrity, has apparently bitched and moaned directly to MTV about the insults hurled at her by Triumph the Insult Comic Dog (and BTW, Robert Smigel's work on "TV Funhouse" on Comedy Central proves that he is, at least, a minor deity). Thus, in all future telecasts of the 2001 VMA awards, you will see no Triumph / J-Lo interaction.
So tonight's award goes to MTV, for bending over and taking it up the ass for some dumb bitch who suddenly thinks that she's important in ANY way. I have a New York Salute for you, my dear.

DPH: <<When exactly does 'Enterprise' supposedly take place in Star Trek continuity?>> Before the original Trek, but after Zephram Cochrane's warp-flight. Basically, this series occurs when StarFleet has just been formed, but I don't think the Federation has been started yet. There's a Vulcan on the staff, and I believe an alien from a species that we haven't seen before in Trek. The first episode, if I remember the synopsis, deals with the first contact with the Klingons. I suppose they figure that with this series, they can build the show up by doing all of the first appearances by aliens. The Klingons were already known in the original Trek? Well, in this show, see how they FIRST met StarFleet! That kind of crap. I'm guessing that, already, in the first season, they make some sort of extreme continuity error. And the Trekkies (or Trekkers or Losers Without a Life or whatever they call themselves) will be all over it, you know, meticulous little geeks that they are.
Did I forget to mention that the "big bad" for the show will be a mysterious villain from the future? Yeah, from the 29th century. This is a mess just begging to happen.

I've actually read the scripts for future episodes of Star Trek: Enterprise. Some interesting stuff there. It turns out that it was really Spock who built Data, and that Kirk had no father, but rather was created when his mother immaculately conceived thanks to microscopic organisms in the universe called Midi-Chlorians�..Oh wait. My mistake. As bad as Trek has become, they haven't become THAT bad.

Josh: <<bring your own meat>> There's a dirty joke there that wants to be written. I'd write it, but isn't it sort of self-explanatory? <<trannies that actually DID something>> I am afraid to ask what. <<There were only two chicks there that I wanted...>> Than you shall have them! By the Power of Grayskull!!! <<Enough about my (lack of) sex life.>> SILENCE! As my clone (or as the original), you and I must keep up a united front. We do not have a lack of a sex life: we are major sexual deities (or deviants, depending upon the occasion). Let no one think otherwise! We have an image to maintain. <> That DOES suck. Isn't the whole point of college that you finally get to sleep in late before you go to school? <<Cheers to Mudvayne>>: WHAT!? That band SUCKS! Just a bunch of professionally-made-up talentless hacks thrown together by a record company with a bunch of yelling and crap music.>> Gee, why does that sound like every other music group being played on MTV today�.I don't have any opinion on Mudvayne. I've never heard any of their music. I was just glad to see MTV2 mentioned, cause that channel actually plays music videos, instead of showing endless programs with Fred Durst or N*Sync. <<M.A.S.K. should have been a little higher>>: Did you have all the toys too?>> Of course! <<My friends and I watched several eps the other night. Brian and the baby ROCK.>> Did you catch the episode where Meg interns at the news station? Anchorman: "Young children washing cars for charity. Is there anything more arousing?"

Fleur: <> That's so hot. Wait, did I just say that out loud? <<Leprosy isn't too pretty either.>> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's almost as hot as scars. Wait�.I AM saying that out loud�. <<You've got zits!!>> Boy do you�..Oh, they said ZITS. My mistake, I thought�..um�..heh heh�. <<my grandmother died.>> Damn. I'm horrible with condolences, but I do hope that you and your family are well.

Wonderful, sweet, beautiful Dreamie and��grumblegrumbleboyamIjealousgrumblegrumble�.sigh�.Winterwolf: <<Winterwolf carries Dreamie into the CR for a couple post. They find a large oversized beanbag to nestle into and cuddle. >> An oversized BEANBAG? For those keeping count, that's the second major dirty joke that's asking to be written.
I just hope that oversized beanbag isn't Winterwolf's, or else I have something else to be jealous about.

Jaden: "Whereever You Will Go" is sung by the group The Calling. I dig that song, but the music always sounds a little�.I don't know, gay-er�when they use it for a commercial. I couldn't even listen to "Crazy Train" for a while after they used it to sell cars.
<<Who sings "Superman">> I'm not sure which song you are referring to. Are you referring to "Kryptonite" by 3 Doors Down ("If I go crazy than will you still call me Superman?"), or "Superman's Dead" by Our Lady Peace, or some other song? I'm thinking that if it's gotten heavy air play, it's probably "Kryptonite".

Robby: <<The link is not pornographic or spam, so no CR rules broken there.>> But of course. Would *I* bend or break the rules? Don't answer that. <<I've already been told its a link to Pistoff's online journal.>> Soooooo�..who's the tattler? ;)

lain: ME? Off your Christmas card list? What for? ;)

Moochie: <<But may I, in a citizen's arrest sort of way, calmly suggest that NO ONE EVEN FREAKIN' THINK ABOUT COMMENTING on SJ's link until AFTER an admin speaks on the subject?>> Killjoy. Ruin all my fun, why don't you. Did you tattle, young sir? If if was you, than�..damn, that'd feel anticlimactic.

Crzy: <<you can see that he is REALLY Dr. Robotnik/Dr. Eggman from the Sonic the Hedgehog games!>> You SHAME me. You can do so much better than that. If you are to be, as you said in your rather self-over-valued post to me a few weeks ago, "my arch-enemy", than you must do better than Sonic the Hedgehog.

Jesus Christ, and I thought *I* was being too obscure when I throw in a lot of the wrestling humor (example: Did you mark out at hearing the words "Atomic Elbow Drop"? If you DID, than the obscure wrestling humor isn't lost on you.). Who knew I would be upstaged by a Sonic reference. As it stands, I think that only Robby was probably laughing out loud at that.

BTW, that's no insult towards Robby, I just know that he used to be a big fan of the Sonic comic book.

God I hate it when my obscure humor is upstaged by even MORE obscure humor. Sometimes it's fun for me to tell a joke and the rest of you are scratching your heads.

So, to keep up that great tradition, here's an obscure joke that only a handful of you will get: I have to leave now, because I need to go ask a guy named Brian to email me a picture of his genitals so that I can then turn around and tell the administrators that he's sexually harassing me but he really isn't it's just an elaborate joke that I play so that I and my we-ride-the-short-bus-to-school retard friends can get a laugh out of it.

Enjoy.

"Because I am The Game��..And I am�.THAT. DAMN. GOOD."
---HHH

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Monday, September 10, 2001 05:15:17 PM
IP: 66-44-54-15.s15.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

*enters timidly*
oooookay... im posting... from a mac... from a scary, scary mac in the computer lab... YIIIIIIIIPE!!!!!!
okay, so its not that scary but i STILL cant figre out how to open the internet.. i had to sneak in here from the quicktime site thats linked at the bottom of the screen.
i am posting from a mac because i have to learn how to use one. im taking a contemporary media course here, the course description looks yummy.. if i post it here, im sure gunjack will want to transfer to this university right away.. therefore *ahem* "this course is an introduction to media based arts which will include explorations of both digital and analogue ways of working. the objective is to provide students with hands-on experience while also familiarizing them with the critical and theoretical debates surrounding "new" technologies. areas of exploration will include: digital imaging, web design, animation, sound, performance, video and their possible manifestations and intersections."
oooooooo BABY!!!! so, gunjack, when should i expect you?? ; D

tee hee, im really looking forward to this class.. other than the fact that im mostly computer-stupid and this is the first time ive ever even TOUCHED a mac.. it should be great. i think this is a g4 thingie.. and the mousepad says "jail, it could be just one click away!" the one next to me says "do you check more than you brush your teeth?" kinda funny. anyway, im mezmerized by the blue funkiness of the hard drive and the round clickiness of the mouse.. and this small yet functional and quiet keyboard.. hmm... i think i could get used to this..
my roommates printer broke the other day.. so she bought a new computer.. a BRAND NEW computer.. im SOOOOOO jealous.. she just up and got one, brought it home and that was that! i couldnt believe it. wheres MY new computer?! i think *I* deserve a new computer more than SHE does! gah.. some people..

anyway, i have things to which i must attend, art supplies i must empty my bank account to purchase and other exciting endeavours.

i shall see you all later.

p.s. sj... dont MAKE me take you off my christmas card list..

love,
lain "instead of stressed i lie here charmed" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Monday, September 10, 2001 01:21:39 PM
IP: jon.visual.arts.uwo.ca

** Niamhgold enters briefly **

Well, saw that SW Episode II trailer last night...and all I gotta say is--Christopher Watkins? I suppose it's been mentioned that he was going to be in the movie, but actually seeing him as this creepy-looking whatever-the-heck (clone? sith?) was weird. Whoever he plays, it's bound to be the maniacal one ;) And they had the _gall_ to show Jar Jar in the opening trailer. Argh, Lucas, argh.

Josh: Don't be worried about your temper. I assure you, you can't get half as bad as someone with the passion and ire of an Irish-Italian woman ;) Those three ingredients make for a very volatile mix. Bwahahaha.

** Looks around ** Okay, so I'm a little nuts because I just sat through two hours of critique and have another two hours to go ;) My brain is going to explode, which is fitting because we're critiquing our illustrations of the headache ;)

Adios!
Niamhgold
Monday, September 10, 2001 01:20:07 PM
IP: 209.143.81.105

**delurks, looking half-dead after plowing through tons of un-documented Java code**

Yes. I am alive. Technically. I've just been lurking because I haven't had a lot of time to post (and because my roomie is now the one without Net access - her USB connection's being a pain).

**checks e-mail** Oh, look, more "As per your request" e-mails. Delete. (I don't know why these idiots at work actually opened the attachments - one look at the subject line and I knew it was a virus.)

Anyway...

Rayvn> <<...I'm so happy because COYOTE FINALLY FOUND A PLACE!!!!>> That's awesome!

Wanted to play further catch-up comments, but I need to get cracking on going over this application, so I'll get to the bad news. I know one or two people here watched the first Power Rangers series, so it is relevant. I thought it was a hoax at first, but a friend saw it mentioned on the Fox 11 10pm news yesterday.

Thuy Trang, the original Yellow Ranger, was killed earlier this week in a car accident on Interstate 5 between San Francisco and LA. She was 27.

More info can be found at http://geocities.com/funaroverse/ (or click my name).

*sigh* Need to go back to work now.

Mandolin
Monday, September 10, 2001 10:31:50 AM
IP: s3abab9.ssa.gov

::walks into the CR carrying a big red book labelled "Engineering Mechanics of Solids"::

Hey folks!

Woke up today at the way too eary hour of 1PM so that I could attend a BBQ hosted by my friend Ben at his house up on the hill. I forgot my camera AGAIN so I didn't get any pictures, but Ben and his 5 housemates have THE most amazing place. The view from the deck overlooks the bay, the school, the football field, and Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories. The BBQ was a "bring your own meat" party, so naturally Mike and I came prepared with the best stuff: beef, peppers, onions, spices, etc. We ate pretty much right when we got there (it was 3, we were hungry!) and Mike grilled these two AMAZING burgers. Living with a guy who cooks well is awesome.

At the party I saw two cute girls, one who was in my Ethics class last semester (she didn't recognize me and I didn't recognize her until the very end), and one who went to camp with me. Seeing the second girl, Rebecca, was really weird. Quite frankly neither of us expected to see the other ever again. She's dating some Physics major at Berkeley (she's at Davis). We chatted it up about camp (she wants to be a counselor this summer) and school and I got to know her boyfriend, a damn lucky guy if I do say so myself. Rebecca got HOT since I last saw her a year ago. I was never interested in Becca cuz I used to have a crush on her sister...and that's just weird (not that it stopped my friend Danny from dating BOTH of them, but whatever).

Anyway, I was reminded of something that really annoys me: living vicariously through someone intelligent. DATING SOMEONE WHO IS SMART DOES *NOT* MAKE YOU SMARTER! If you ask someone about their grades/scores/whatever, and you respond to their score with "well my significant other got XYZ, which is better", that doesn't make you look smarter. It makes you look stupid. At least fess up to your own score, show that it doesn't embarass you.

I was reminded of this because Rebecca used to do this all the time to me, and when I was talking to Matt (her boyfriend) about school and stuff, the look on her face said "I don't have a clue what you guys are talking about, but at least now I'm somehow magically smart enough to keep pace with you guys".

Silly.

After that I came back and tried for THREE hours to get IRC working on my machine because we are switching from a carracho server to an IRC chatroom/ftp combination. Supposedly its because its free, but its such a terrible system that the inconveniences will FAR outweigh any benefits.

I also managed to get my Stat homework done for the week (it was a BITCH) and do some Materials reading and attack some problems.

This week is shaping up to be a bitch, I just know it.

Its funny. Last night I resolved that I needed to chill out, be less stressed, less neurotic, more patient. Today I failed by snapping way too many times. I'm really worried that I have absolutely no control over my temper. This is not going to help me later in life.

Naturally, I blame this on my parents. So far, no one who knows me well has disagreed with me.

Okay, on to replies.

DPH: <<Microsoft Visual Studio>>: I'll keep an eye out. <<What's the most idiot proof software>>: CPU Monitor for OS X. Just click on it and it does its thing. Maybe Apple CD player. <<What does Vladiator's driver do for a living>>: MechE, probably. <<What's the deal with the Pulverizer hitting after the match was ended>>: Trigger-happy controller, I'm guessing. <>: That's the oft-used "we take acid" strategy. <<When exactly does 'Enterprise' supposedly take place in Star Trek continuity>>: 22nd century, I believe. <>: Huh!? Why do you say that? <<don't the producers know most of the hard-core Star Trek fans disavowed Voyager?>>: Which means we're so desperate for decent material we'll at least check out a whole season of ANYTHING.

The Wizard: <<which is a cute little side-joke since I'm drawing a repro of a nude male>>: I'm sure you're enjoying yourself, you smut-peddler! <<Shot some pool later on, then woke up at four>>: Hmmm...that sounds like a good idea. I wonder where the nearest pool hall is. Though my friends are more the midnight-bowling type. <<Was it within her earshot?>>: Probably not. I'm tactless, not stupid. <<Try waking up and realizing that you're going to be in class for more than 12 hours>>: I've got a better idea: how about I DON'T try that. <<how can you even begin to compare that kind of commitment with the get-up-at-the-crack-of-dawn commitment of people who go to Sunday morning service?>>: Who said I compare? I don't question their committment, just their intelligence. <<Humans should not depend on the computer to get *everything* they need>>: If I could, I probably would. Just cuz I'm lazy. <<STBY>>: Sucks To Be You. <<We should combine our posts and see how close we can come to being banned>>: No thank you. We'd be confused for a couple. And after my blantant offense at such activity, I'd not stoop to such hypocrisy. <>: You should try it sometime. <<Not that I'm not interested in just submitting an application to Tech>>: That would be an anti-point. <<Finella would actually make a pretty good Buttercup, actually>>: But then who would play Wesley? <<Actually, it wouldn't be "slightly" large>>: Actually, it would be. Just as you can always think of a number "1" greater than any number you can think of. In math we use the identity for these things because its easier to deal with. <<the largest amount of space you can imagine can always be beat out by the infinite amount of space within my brother's skull>>: Spoken like a true older sibling. <<Careful, there are witnesses here.>>: No there aren't. <<From someone who does not have the luxury of the cable channels...what happened?>>: Oh it was hysterical. The SGC was investigating a new TV show called "Wormhold X-treme" which was a mockery of the Stargate show written by some alien who was stranded on Earth. They really poked fun at everything. <<you're bringing hot guys to the bbq?>>: Just myself ;-) <<you're just bringing my brother>>: Your brother is a six pound slab of meat? Is that your way of saying your mom is a cow? <<how glad you should be that you don't have to complain about my life>>: THAT would cause a CR crash. <<the list of victims seems to get larger>>: Not really.

Baldy: <<he works the interior, she works the exterior... and I KNOW how gross that sounds>>: Heh, heh. <<If player has one land and one creature of each color... he wins. No ifs, ors or buts>>: God, they really have run out of ideas. Such cards would be illegal in a tournament a few years ago.

Jan: <<my daughter�s Min Pin puppy ate the wire>>: Kick it. << can hardly wait for you to go to work in a real job and putting in your hours and sweat>>: I don't sweat. Even there. <<I�m leaning towards a very light blue>>: I'm shocked! <<Miss Cleo>>: Time to call her up and threaten lawsuit. F*cking spammers.

Gside: <>: Yes, Mr. Gere. <<You never can trust those busses>>: Just see if it helps them win the war! <<How'd you get to the East coast>>: By plane. <<Would it be like a smaller robot in a metal hamster ball>>: Yes it would! <<what about weapons>>: This bot would be unable to be KO'ed. I guess it would spend most of its time pushing around and letting the other bot damage itself. Guess it would be tough to flip over. We were also thinking about panels that flip open to pound. <<The fans don't shake the case enough>>: No, but it certainly sounds like a hoover on my desk. <>: And what do you think the odds are of that? <<he has had harsh words about erotica, and one does not know how far that attitude extends>>: Probably not into real life. He is male, after all. <<Mayhaps>>: I'll get right on it...later.

Anonymous: <<You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what?>>: Woo hoo that's me! <<Fascist gov't>>: I thought that was "takes both cows and shoots YOU".

Sometimes, I picture a world of peace and happiness, where strife is unknown and guile is unneeded. And then I think how easy it'd be to attack 'em, cause they'd never see it coming..."
-Anonymous

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, September 10, 2001 03:32:05 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-199.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

> THE "TWO COW EXPLANATION" OF WHAT MAKES ......
>
> A CHRISTIAN DEMOCRAT: You have two cows. You keep one and give one to
> your neighbor.
>
> A SOCIALIST: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it
> to your neighbor.
>
> A REPUBLICAN: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what?
>
> A DEMOCRAT: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel
guilty
> for being successful. You vote people into office who tax your cows,
forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you
voted
for then take the tax money and buy a cow and give it to your neighbor.
You
feel righteous.
>
> A COMMUNIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and
provides
you with milk.
>
> A FASCIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and sells
you the
milk. You join the underground and start a campaign of sabotage.
>
> DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. The government taxes
you
> to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign
country
who has only one cow, which was a gift from your government.
>
> CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. You sell one, buy a
bull,
and build a herd of cows.
>
> BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. The government takes
> them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, then
pours
the milk down the drain.
>
> AN AMERICAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You sell one, and force
the
> other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when the
cow
drops dead.
>
> A FRENCH CORPORATION: You have two cows. You go on strike because you
> want three cows.
>
> A JAPANESE CORPORATION: You have two cows. You redesign them so they
are
> one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the
milk.
>
> A GERMAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You reengineer them so they
> live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves.
>
> AN ITALIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows but you don't know where
they
> are. You break for lunch.
>
> A RUSSIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You count them and learn
you
> have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You
count
> them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and
open
another bottle of vodka.
>
> A MEXICAN CORPORATION: You think you have two cows, but you don't
know
> what a cow looks like. You take a nap.
>
> A SWISS CORPORATION: You have 5,000 cows, none of which belongs to
you.
> You charge for storing them for others.
>
> A BRAZILIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You enter into a
partnership
> with an American corporation. Soon you have 1,000 cows and the
American
> corporation declares bankruptcy.
>
> AN INDIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You worship them and move
over
> when they come down the street.
Anonymous
Monday, September 10, 2001 01:19:15 AM
IP: 63.232.50.24

My roomie brought in a PS2 with DOA2:HC. We've got it set on maximum bouncy, and I will here out play as Lei Fang in her last costume. Mmm, garters.

I just noticed that my IP doesn't have my network name again. Apparently they decided to name it after the computing center.

And last night I played a card game against the other two Chrises in my suite. Odd, that.

Fleur: Condolences on all that has happened, especially your grandmother.
<<How 'bout I just take out the dive-bombing magpies instead?>>: They could do, but small furry mammals are usually preferred.
<<the bus launched a kamikaze attack against your dorm>>: You never can trust those busses. And watch out, Bs travel in packs.
<<Was anybody hurt?>>: 19 passengers, but no one was admitted to the hospital.
<<Ignore that question about people being hurt>>: No, I won't.

Imzadi> <<That was me, sorry>>: How'd you get to the East coast?
<<My friends want to field a spherical battlebot>>: Would it be like a smaller robot in a metal hamster ball? If so, what about weapons?
<<Where are the ones that think about dual-800 G4 towers?>>: The fans don't shake the case enough.
<<<Not if the next Gathering hosts a battlebots contest>>>: True, but I thought we were trying for more official trials.
<<I'll bet on "get laid">>: Perhaps, but he has had harsh words about erotica, and one does not know how far that attitude extends.
<<How about Constantine?>>: Mayhaps.
<<Took your sweet time>>: I do try to think as little as possible.
<<God, they'll label any crap as "art" these days>>: This was in the classics section, aka European art, near the Renoirs and naked mythological stuff (Venus and Adonis was a favorite).
<<What's the "near" universe?>>: You probably have to watch the show to find out, but it might be something like the recent Sluggy storyline.
<<That has a lot of possibilities for...disaster>>: So true.
<<And its not>>: His contention was that you want it objective.

DPH> <<What's the most idiot proof software?>>: Hello world.

Warpmind> <<some Rogues come with the freezer>>: Actually, I decided against the mage when I found out I could have a vine and a spirit in at the same time, so I decided to bring in a carrion creeper.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, September 10, 2001 12:37:41 AM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Christine>> Get this...I think I have my big break finally. I check out Barnes and Nobles website and found out that I can send them my manuscript of Mythia and have them publish it that way. Right now I'm currently on chapter 5 being typed up. I've finished the prolouge and chapter 1-4. Once I finish it completly of all 32 chapters and revise it a few times, I hope it will finally be done. I'll keep you posted on my progress as it moves along, slowly, but fast. Wish me luck. Later.

Gavin>> Just wanted to post here to say I love you. Later lover.

Well, that is all for now. I'll shall return another day/night.

Fare Thee Well.
Mystic Mythian Maiden
Marysville, Washington
Sunday, September 9, 2001 10:02:09 PM
IP: ac9eca93.ipt.aol.com

Emambu> <> *L* I know exactly which movie you are referring to � both versions. They are true horror flicks for me! I call them documentaries, though. That�s what birds are really capable of doing! *nodnodnod*
Wow! A Lincoln Towncar, huh? Very nice, indeed *whistles softly* The Miller side of the family are Lincoln owners and my side of the family are Cadillac owners. The Miller side will buy a new Lincoln instead of replacing tires when they become worn out.
<<Network card troubles>> My son finally set up our computer system at the house and I had the 2nd phone line installed� but then my daughter�s Min Pin puppy ate the wire. O.o
<<new on-line style of tracking and billing (a program called AthenaNet>> awesome! I went in to see my investor this week and I ended up buying quite a bit of stock in the Jack Henry company. It�s a computer program and software company that developed the system for bank�s ATM. They own the software to operate the ATMs and the program for that plus other bank tracking needs. Sweet! It was a small company that started in a town 20 miles from here and is now nationwide. The stock has made money all year and is predicted to rise even more =) I also bought quite a bit of stock in Wal-Mart. Makes me soooo proud. ; ) I help make Sam Walton what he became. *giggles*

Gunjack> <<NO ONE EVEN FREAKIN' THINK ABOUT COMMENTING on SJ's link>> ummm, no. As Robby said, the comments made by Pistoff are on his personal online journal page and not in here. We ARE free to comment on it if we so choose to � as long as it doesn�t involve any flaming. Personally, I choose not to comment on it to any degree. *shrugs* I imagine that is the same decision that 99% of the posters in here will make too.

Josh> <<Today SUCKED. Hard. I had to wake up at 9AM for classes from 10 to 4 straight.>> you want a little cheese with that whiiiiiine? ;) *chuckles* I can hardly wait for you to go to work in a real job and putting in your hours and sweat.

Fluer> argh! Sounds like you had a rough week! *hugs* I hope that all is better now. Sorry to hear about your grandmother =( My grandmother passed away 18 years ago and I still miss her.

Winterwolf> congrats on becoming an uncle! I have a great time being an aunt. The really nifty thing is to buy the nieces and nephews icky things for presents such as gak, Mad Scientist Kits, etc. The things that their parents would never buy them ; ) Of course, when you have children, payback�s a bitch. *L*

I�m still working on the remodeling of my house. I�ve completed 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, (painting and wallpaper border) and am now almost finished with wallpapering the formal dining room. I�m still undecided on what color to paint my bedroom� I�m leaning towards a very light blue. My furniture will start arriving from storage this upcoming week. I�m trying to complete as much as possible before the furniture is placed in the house. The new dishwasher has been installed and kitchen carpet will be installed on the 17th. Also, ceiling fans in all of the bedrooms, the utility room and the den have been installed. I�m having the yard work done next week. There�s no way I�m going to spend my time doing yard work right now. I don�t have the time or the energy.

We all took a break yesterday and spent the day at Silver Dollar City in Branson. The weather was perfect � mid 70�s with a slight breeze. Unfortunately walking up and down the hills caused considerable pain to my back, but I still had a great time in spite of that.

Well, back to the wallpapering � I don�t have much left to do on it. =)

oh... and I want to share with you an email that I received today. *shakes head and rolls eyes* It's hard to believe that there are people in this world that actually believe this stuff.... <restrains from making comment about how clinton served in office for 8 years>
Anyway, I bring you this heartfelt and true email.... *snickers*

Dear Jan,

We must speak with you. I don�t usually take the time out to write a personal note, Jan, but your name was provided by someone you had recently spoken to. We believe your vibrations to be so strong that I�ve endorsed a free Tarot reading with one of our elite psychics! It�s urgent, however, that you call immediately�I can only reserve this number for a limited time. Call toll-free 1-800-256-0408, now!

Jan, we sensed that your connection is likely to be unusually strong, especially in the very near future. It is vital that you call us right away to optimize the results of your reading. There�s not much time! Call toll-free 1-800-256-0408 as soon as you receive this letter!

With love and prayers,

Miss Cleo

P.S. Please do not share this number with anyone�it is meant only for you, Jan. However, you must call soon�we can only reserve this number for a short time. Call toll-free 1-800-256-0408 right now!
Jan
Sunday, September 9, 2001 05:58:09 PM
IP: modem17-94.mo-net.com

DPH- First contact with klingons meaning 2151.
Galvatron
Sunday, September 9, 2001 05:41:23 PM
IP: 205.213.142.160

No specific entry description today. Too lazy.

Christine: Actually, for TJ's SO, I'd be more inclined to guess at a woman with uncommon talents in design, rather than just having her own bot... (Y'know, he works the interior, she works the exterior... and I KNOW how gross that sounds...)

Moochie: Lain's overjoyed with that bird of hers now? Somehow makes me happy I can't afford the phonecards, and yet... ��

Josh: Actually, MIDI composition, then play in Winamp and record in Creative WaveStudio, then convert to mp3... As for the M:TG cards... Global Ruin - Rare White Sorcery: causes all players to choose one land of each color they have in play, and discard ALL the others. (Was very efficient when I played against a guy with 15 Swamps in play while I had just one of each...) Coalition Victory - Rare Gold Sorcery: If player has one land and one creature of each color... he wins. No ifs, ors or buts.

Fire Storm: I was referring to our shared opinion on piracy. As for Hyena digging gamers - I can imagine she digs them... with those big, sharp claws of hers.

Gside: Well, the Rogue hireling can have pretty darn good freezing, with the right bow... and, of course, some Rogues come with the freezer, as well.

And that concludes my post. Cheerio, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, September 9, 2001 05:36:10 PM
IP: mp-217-209-123.daxnet.no

** Niamhgold enters **

Hey, everyone, just taking a break in between homework assignments. I'm doing a reproduction of an etching plater, which is a b!tch since it's 18 X 24 inches of complete cross-hatching. On the plus side, it's not coming out too badly (which is a cute little side-joke since I'm drawing a repro of a nude male ;)).

Anyways, nothing else is new. Of course, still more network woes, although I did manage to finish my animation. Plus, Sergio had his surprise party last night which turned more into a party for *us* and less of a party for him ;) Not too many bad-looking guys, either. Shot some pool later on, then woke up at four and had "brunch" with a bunch of friends who apparently slept on the roof last night...I didn't ask, so I suggest you guys don't ;)

And on to replies!

SJ: <Wizard magazine is composed of utter and total tools> I won't too much argue there. I didn't really take too much stock in what they decided, I just thought their reasoning for each decision was remarkably amusing ;) Like you said, Wizard is more on the art side of things. I look at it briefly to get what's "in" on color schemes and composition. Other than that, I look at the little lesser-named catalogues that circulate here in the Illustration department. The darker side of Wizard ;) I was at least pleased to see Invader Zim made the list, though it should have been higher up. Definitely good animation, with excellent angling and atmosphere.

The Man: Sure, knew you were going to say that ;) Was it within her earshot? < all I could think about was how to deal with the fact that I was gonna be in class all day> Try waking up and realizing that you're going to be in class for more than 12 hours...damn, I need to start taking my showers in the *morning* for that. <o I could ship my laptop to my mom and my roommate could pick up the package that didn't get delivered> Must've gotten held by international security and customs, then. <es, but Fridays are a religious holiday for me anyway, because I observe them religiously. No work on Fridays. No matter what> We may have a religion going. I follow the same "rule" on Friday nights. However, if you follow them "religiously," but have no religion or faith in one...then how can you even begin to compare that kind of commitment with the get-up-at-the-crack-of-dawn commitment of people who go to Sunday morning service? ;) <They all thought it was really weird> Weirder than normal, right? ;) Amen. Humans should not depend on the computer to get *everything* they need ;) <LOL STBY> Uh...bout of ignorance here. STBY? <This countdown was horribly misguided> I completely agree. Did I ever say Wizard was The Word in entertainment news? It's funny how seriously people have been taking this ;) We should combine our posts and see how close we can come to being banned ;) <This should give you some idea about how easy my job is> Eh, I don't think that your job is easy at all. Not that I'm not interested in just submitting an application to Tech, whether they're hiring immediately or not ;) <You're just jealous (not sure if its of my toy or of me, but whatever)> Jealousy? Naw. ;) <NAPTIME> Did that, and in the process accidentally knocked my coffee over into Chad's backpack...heh, that woke _him_ up ;) <That's "pr0n"> Curses, my CR-literacy foiled again! <No, even better: Constantine!> LOL. Finella would actually make a pretty good Buttercup, actually.... Again, another vital part of my Halloween costume. < Technically, since space is infinite, there exists an area of Space is that is slightly larger than whatever you can possibly imagine> Actually, it wouldn't be "slightly" large...it would be an infinitely larger amount of space larger than whatever you could imagine. Therefore, the largest amount of space you can imagine can always be beat out by the infinite amount of space within my brother's skull ;) And then, of course, there are geeks and creeps. <Someone's gonna get beat for that one> No comment. < Now I have to kill you> Careful, there are witnesses here. <which ended with the new season premier> From someone who does not have the luxury of the cable channels...what happened? <BYOM (bring your own meat)...> What, you're bringing hot guys to the bbq? I want to go! ;) <so we'll be getting rid of our 6 lbs of frozen costco beef. > Oh, so you're just bringing my brother. <trannies that actually DID something> Interesting. We had equivalents at that party last night ;) <Enough about my (lack of) sex life> Oh, how glad you should be that you don't have to complain about my life ;) <How do you think I lost...nevermind> And the list of victims seems to get larger ;)

Winterwolf/Dreamie: <Mathew John was born September 6, 2001 weighing 6 pounds 6 ounces and 19 inches tall> Congratulations! ** Hugs to the uncle ** <Do I get a new jacket and bouncy walls?> Naw, but you do get a living room with a multi-colored sofa. <So you rode your T-Square down the stairs? I can just imagine you surfing down the stairs to class on a T-Sqaure> Heh, it was a very different experience. Not as bad as accidentally dropping the homosote board down the stairs...nothing like chasing a three-foot by four-foot piece of heavy-duty cardboard down the staircase ;) Hope to see you in here again soon!

Adios for now,

Niamhgold
Sunday, September 9, 2001 05:09:00 PM
IP: 206.41.205.203

Imzadi - the product is called 'Microsoft Visual Studio'.

Apparantly, the threat against DC was taken seriously. My CD-ROM is working again and I'm listening to music being played by it.

I scheduled myself to visit a Chiropractor on Tuesday. I haven't told my dad yet and don't plan on telling him until after the fact.

What's the most idiot proof software?

1+1=2

**BATTLEBOTS**
Dissector vs Vladiator was much closer fight than I expected. What does Vladiator's driver do for a living? Does he work for 'Loctite'?

I noticed the stupidity in Toro's design. I mean I would have put a CO2 tank a bit towards the center of the bot where is not as likely to get hit.

What's the deal with the Pulverizer hitting after the match was ended? The lady mentioned something about $100/hit after the match ends? Is that a fine?
**END BATTLEBOTS**

Patrick - <And now Toon Disney has moved "Gargoyles" back another half hour to 11 PM. I don't think they're even sure what age group is watching at that hour. I saw two commercials for mail order products that at the end said "must be over 18 to call."> Here's a worse one: I saw ads for DirectTv while the fox affliate was running fox kids cartoons. I saw ads for Farscape on Toon. Someone please explain to me that marketing strategy.

**STAR TREK**
When exactly does 'Enterprise' supposedly take place in Star Trek continuity? I can't see how this series can expand the Star Trek franchise without violating coninuity. Besides, don't the producers know most of the hard-core Star Trek fans disavowed Voyager?
**END STAR TREK**

1+1=2
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, September 9, 2001 01:29:42 PM
IP: max1-24.cwy.cei.net

Hey folks.

Not much going on today. I watched the SG-1 marathon (I was disappointed to discover that many episodes I'd already seen before), which ended with the new season premier. Yay for premium movie channels!

I worked today (sort of)...only got a few calls. Oh well. Hopefully I can get out of work tomorrow so I can go to my friend's BBQ. The BBQ is BYOM (bring your own meat)...so we'll be getting rid of our 6 lbs of frozen costco beef.

Did a little bit of homework too. Other than that, nada.

Late tonight we went to RHPS in Oakland. It was a small theater, but IT HAD SOFAS! I'm not talking about loveseats with no armrests. These were couches! The show was pretty good too. They had great props, trannies that actually DID something. There were only two chicks there that I wanted...but I've been down the road of Rocky cast members and I'd REALLY like to avoid doing that ever again.

Enough about my (lack of) sex life.

On to replies!

Dreamie and Winterwolf: <<They find a large oversized beanbag to nestle into and cuddle>>: Well, at least you've got taste. <<This is a fully combined post for Dreamie and Winterwolf>>: Must you? <<if only forever were long enough>>: I'd be happy with a few weeks as ruler of earth. <<Do I get a new jacket and bouncy walls>>: Sure, why not? <>: And you think *I'm* perverted? <<It's been an easy job so far>>: Your primary function as uncle is to spoil your nephew when your parents aren't already doing it. <<gotta love that dog>>: Yeah, he's a great guy...for me to poop on! <<You just need to remember you were one yourself>>: Nope, I was born 15. <<when you are an aunt you get to have fun then leave when the kid gets cranky for the parents to deal with>>: Yeah, the parents love that. <<The power tools, and materials, and hinges, and wiring, and fixtures>>: No comment. <<I'd imagine you have a decent chance or are both of them that hopeless>>: My brother will never be an uncle...its possible there are other people out there who won't breed. <<One wrong move or silly comment and **whack**>>: That's no different from normal though Gatherings. <<you rode your T-Square down the stairs>>: Kinky. <<you were driving the bus or any other critical info?>>: That was me, sorry. <<You're stuck with me now>>: Run like a muppet!

FS: <<Mac stuff is non-existant there>>: Silly shows. <<Just a warrantyed repair swap, eh?>>: Indeed. <<She would kill me if I posted THOSE kind of pictures>>: Okay.It just sucks that flame, plasma, EMP, particle and projectile weapons are not allowed.>>: My friends want to field a spherical battlebot. <<If you see a 20 foot red dragon with black wings and breathing fire... Get a few pictures for me, ok?>>: LOL! <<Some women read trashy novels. Some girls use sex toys. You think about Chevy small block V-8s>>: Where are the ones that think about dual-800 G4 towers? <>: Use the fertilizer for bombs instead. <>: Not to mention insurance. <<Hyena digs bots... a little too much>>: Yeah, but she's crazy. <<If you can't get the father, get the son?>>: Kinky. <<Britney didn't even get mauled by the tiger!>>: If the tiger ruins those breasts, I'll wear it as a suit.

Greg X: <>: Good to know. Otherwise we'd surely have killed you by now. We don't tolerate liars in here...DOH!

Gside: <<Rather like being an uberengineer>>: Sounds painful. <<Why they haven't ckecked me yet is a mystery>>: Hey, if I can slip through, anyone can. <>: Not if the next Gathering hosts a battlebots contest! <<It'd be interesting to see what he'd do>>: I'll bet on "get laid". <>: How about Constantine? <>: Took your sweet time. <<my father claims he saw a painting in the Met with a woman squirting milk from her breasts>>: God, they'll label any crap as "art" these days. <<It also got 30th. 94 only defended the near universe>>: What's the "near" universe? <<And you're not supposed to end sentences with prepositions>>: Damn straight! <<Apparently, my left hand got lazy, and my right hand tried to pick up the slack as best it could>>: That has a lot of possibilities for...disaster. <<We have H busses>>: So do we. <<Then it wouldn't be objective/constant.>>: And its not.

Spot: <<big party for science students>>; Isn't that an oxymoron? <>: Chicks dig scars...oh. <<last night my grandmother died>>: I'm sorry to hear that. Were you close? <<the bus launched a kamikaze attack against your dorm>>: Silly Japanese auto manufacturers... <>: I hang up on the bastards. If they ask for the "head of the household" or "the man of the house": CLICK. <<Physics is SCARY>>: I think you're just a wuss. <<What about the bible? Isn't there burning in there?>>: Actually, the bible doesn't describe hell. <<Oh good>>: You have no idea. <<Josh nailed it>>: I'm not THAT desperate! <<Amazing how alcohol brings out the truth, hey>>: How do you think I lost...nevermind.

Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
- Rich Cook

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, September 9, 2001 06:26:33 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-67.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Opps.
Gside> Ignore that question about people being hurt. I really should recheck the CR before posting. Hope they get better soon.
Fleur
Sunday, September 9, 2001 02:39:18 AM
IP: proxy3.mel.pacific.net.au

Oooh, what a roller coaster this past week has been for me. Let me break it down for you all:
High point: Actually being well enough to go to the Sci Ball (big party for science students. Much fun).
Low points (in order of occurance, not lowness): Let's see... The cough wouldn't leave, I relised that I _am_ going to scar, my hermit crab died, the dress (which conveniently hid most of the healing scabs) I was going to wear to the ball didn't arrive, forcing me to wear one that _didn't_ hide the yuckiness, my friend was hit by a car (she's okay, aside from some wonderfully coloured bruises) and last night my grandmother died.
The last one hasn't hit me yet, although if it doesn't by the funeral, that's when it will.
This is a rollercoaster ride I _wouldn't_ pay money for. I beginning to think I've annoyed a voodoo god, or something, given the three weeks I've had. Man, I hope things improve.

Gside> >It's never too late to join in.< Problem: No squirrels. How 'bout I just take out the dive-bombing magpies instead? :) >A campus bus rammed my dorm today. Apparently the brakes gave out< Actually, the bus launched a kamikaze attack against your dorm ;) Was anybody hurt?

Dark Prince of Vinyl> >SpotLeprosy isn't too pretty either.Which is pretty much what happens to an engineer every day.< *LOL* >I think they're far more brilliant than the groups on either side of the fence.< Oh, they're brilliant. But they're still nuts. Physics is SCARY. >I only got a light case in 7th grade...its conceivable that it could come back and cripple me (but not kill me, because I'm immortal).< *L* One good thing from this is knowing I will _never_ get it again. >Actually, Dante's Inferno is the only historical "reference" that describes Hell as a hot place...and that's just one or two circles. The bottom of Hell is a lake of ice.< What about the bible? Isn't there burning in there? But the lake of ice idea definately has merits. >Okay, so, my computer works.< Oh good.

Warpmind> >It may be easier to get rid of when one is a kid, but YE GODS is it itchy!!!< Oh yeah. I was only itchy for one day, and I was so pathetic. You know how dogs roll on the grass when they've got an itchy back? I saw my dog doing that, and sat there thinking 'I wonder how well that works?' ;)

Aingeal> >Graduating woes< Owch! *hugs*

SJ> >So, in summary, I've had a rather horrible last couple of weeks.< I'll say. Congratulations on getting through it without resorting to biting anybody. >For your reading pleasure, I do try and insert at least a little double entendre into my commentary at all times.< And we look forward to it each time. :)

Jaden> >I'm the same way with my sisters, just nag until they do it. Get well soon.< I'm an unofficial sister, since he doesn't have any ;) And thanks.

Jan> >Just a quick note to say hello and that I'm FINALLY in my house!!< YEA!!

Lynati> >GUESS WHO HAS HER NEW COMPUTER SET UP??< Ooo, new toy, new toy!

Lain> >*enters, with Baby*
hey guys.. isnt he CUUUUUUUTE?!
*observes gunjack having a fit in the corner*
no no, not THAT kind of baby.. a baby bird. < *LOL* Sounds like a cutie. Worked out what kind of bird it is yet, or are you waiting until the feathers arrive?

LM> Oh I hope things improve! >I feel really bad for not being able to function enough to do my work (properly or at all -- and not just TGS CR related stuff).< Josh nailed it: We appreciate what you do, so don't worry about this end of it. AT ALL. Ya hear? ;)

Emambu> >One the plus side though, I have a new car< CONGRATS!! >I'll bet I could refute that claim by naming a couple STD's. :)< Okay, you got me there. ;) >It's like being a teenager all over again.< Friends at Sci Ball (predrinks): "You know, you can hardly tell you've had chicken pox" (postdrinks): "You've got zits!!" Amazing how alcohol brings out the truth, hey? ;) >I'll say! Fleur + Boredom = Sadistic planning. *backs away slowly*< *LOL* I won't use it on anybody here, I promise.

Ravyn> >...I'm so happy because COYOTE FINALLY FOUND A PLACE!!!! Yay!!!!< WHOOO! *happy shuffle*

Dreamie and Winterwolf> Welcome back! Congratulations, uncle Winterwolf :) > Smelly pink meds sound like the standard yucky cure.< At one point, I was covered in smelly green stuff and smelly pink stuff. I felt like a Pro Hart painting. A really smelly one. ;)

Welcome back, Tim. Good luck with the recruiters.

Well, better go,
TTFN!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Sunday, September 9, 2001 02:35:46 AM
IP: proxy3.mel.pacific.net.au

Imzadi> <<I'm sorry...what the hell is that?>>: Rather like being an uberengineer.
<<How did it get past the campus security check in?>>: Part of the building borders the road. Besides, the only check in is after you get through the doors, and only if you look suspicious. Why they haven't ckecked me yet is a mystery.
<<if bots on the show are gonna duke it out, they oughta be some of the more famous fighting pairs>>: I believe it is difficult for two specific bots to fight each other multiple times in one season.
<>: I never said mud was a necessity to all these type of battles.
<<And ONLY when he isn't singing them>>: I don't know, he did pretty good on the Basement Tapes. But then, he did have The Band backing him.
<<Sounds like a "job" for Pistoff>>: It'd be interesting to see what he'd do.
<<Ideas?>>: I just can't think of anyone who would kidnap Fox. Other than Xanatos.
<<Maybe the nanny?>>: A possibility.
<<I'm taking it, just not using it>>: Better.
<<It's below absolute zero>>: I just realized that's impossible.

Siofra> <<Nothing cool like that happens around here!>>: Well, it's not quite as spectacular as the amazing spontaneously combusting busses we got a couple years back, but it's still not a good omen for the company's first year with us.

Warpmind> <<I've got a great setup with my Rogue hireling>>: Right now, I must decide to keep Aliza, or get a mage. It would be nice to have a cold boy as my back up to help with those resurrectors.

Niamhgold> <<90: Neon Genesis Evangelion; 89: Sailor Moon>>: What?
<<but not the model I was hoping for>>: So who is she? Wait, that was just my baser desires taking over for a second.
<<if you knew what pic I was talking about>>: Didn't, but I just found it.
<<It's the closest thing to p0rn in art history>>: I thought that was Leda. And my father claims he saw a painting in the Met with a woman squirting milk from her breasts.
<<Guess we'll have to guess where all the funding is going, huh?>>: Easy, the athletics department. They fired one coach who was still under a rather nice contract, and hired a new one.
<<do not put in drinks>>: But it's do it yourself carbonation.

Ravyn> <<Although I hope no one was hurt>>: 19 people. And one of my suitemates almost got on the bus.
<<Did it cause much damage?>>: Not really. It's a solid building, but apparently the wall is now slightly concave, and they had a cop sitting outside the room and caution tape over the door.

Gunjack> <<New England and Japanese tentacle liturature at later date>>: New England tentacle lit?
<<NI!>>: it

Imzadi> <<Voltron ranked a paltry 94>>: It also got 30th. 94 only defended the near universe.
<<Its probably not that important anywa>>: No, no it's not.

W/D> <<that thing is fun to smack annoying scientists with>>: Hey. And you're not supposed to end sentences with prepositions.
<<Are you leaving out that you were driving the bus or any other critical info?>>: Nope, I was just sitting innocently in my room. With a pair of wire cutters, and some extra wire.
<<Plus what took more damage the bus or the dorm?>>: They both appear in mostly the same shape in which they started out.<<And just what is a compus bus?>>: Apparently, my left hand got lazy, and my right hand tried to pick up the slack as best it could.
<<Some super special campus bus?>>: Well, it was a doublelong. Probably was an H. I never realized that before. We have H busses.
<<Smelly pink meds>>: Calamine?
<<no right and wrong, just what the culture at the time decides is acceptable or not>>: Then it wouldn't be objective/constant.

Fire Storm> <<Are they furry catgirl tenticles?>>: Depends on how well spliced the fur/tentalcle genes are.
<<but are you sure you want to let them loose on your computer?>>: With any luck they'd have some of the hacker nature, perhaps even being a samurai. Or at least wouldn't bother with us small potatoes.
<<The episode where Ranma got a cold and was so hot that water didn't turn him into a girl>>: I know the episode, but I do not recall him using that method to transmit the disease.
<<No frigging idea what that is>>: An old Square SNES RPG/adventure. also known as Seiken Densetsu.
<>: We made CNN?
<>: There are only three suites on the first floor of the low rise. It hit the wall of 102. I am in 103.
<<Some girls use sex toys. You think about Chevy small block V-8s>>: Some use motor vehicles as sex toys. That one episode of Goldenboy...
<<Crash Test Dummies- Superman's Song?>>: Superman never made any money saving the world from Solomon Grundy.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, September 9, 2001 01:01:25 AM
IP: wc02-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Back at the Gathering, Aaron made me swear on my word of honor that I would post the "Hunter's Moon" Radio Play script online. He mentioned the details of it in his Gathering report.

I am a man of my word so I asked Greg Weisman if I could post it, and he said yes. So here it is for all to see. Missing scenes and cut lines.

http://www.geocities.com/madoc55/Huntersmoon.htm

Or click on my name to read it.

Enjoy.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, September 8, 2001 11:14:13 PM
IP: dialin-601-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

I can't believe I got in at ten! This just makes my night! Anyway, we won our football game today 44 to 14. And I've been studying really hard. Go me!
SOROW
Saturday, September 8, 2001 10:19:31 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

TEN!
SOROW
Saturday, September 8, 2001 10:17:20 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

NEIN!

Er, I mean, Ninth!

Maintain and check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.
Saturday, September 8, 2001 10:12:26 PM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

Number eight!
Patrick Toman
Saturday, September 8, 2001 09:38:03 PM
IP: ac8e4517.ipt.aol.com

Lucky 7, baby! :)
Ravyn
Saturday, September 8, 2001 09:07:33 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Six?
Josh
Saturday, September 8, 2001 09:00:21 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-67.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Number 5, maybe?

---Emambu
Emambu
Saturday, September 8, 2001 08:59:24 PM
IP: dorms-pppoe-1-76-100.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

*Jun pops in*
FOURTH! Billy Joel FOREVER!!!
Gunjack "Fancypants" Valentine
Saturday, September 8, 2001 08:50:35 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

**Dreamie and Winterwolf pop in for a moment**

Top ten!! Lucky number 3! ^_^

**With a wave from both they pop back out**
Dreamie and Winterwolf
Saturday, September 8, 2001 08:46:45 PM
IP: ool-18b93926.dyn.optonline.net

2nd, top 10!
dph
Saturday, September 8, 2001 08:34:47 PM
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Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, September 8, 2001 08:29:01 PM
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