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jan>> about the aeroplanes..actually.. that was the point.. and it went waaaaaaaay over your head ; ) but thats okay, i doubt youve seen "this hour has 22 minutes," which is where that quote came from. "this hour" is a canadian news-spoof comedy show, and they were making fun of the canadian military not having any money, hence not being able to afford to train pilots in ACTUAL aeroplanes.. its a good show, youd probably like it.. they made LOOOOTS of fun of clinton, back in the day.. ; )
polls might be useless, but im sure all those protests and the burning of US flags must mean SOMETHING isnt all rosy in pakistan, dont you think?

sj>> you love mr bean more than captain kirk? whoda thought.. ; )
and that wasnt all i cared about, its just been one of those things chewed over relentlesly by the media up here and bounced around in question period in parliament, so ive been hearing a lot about it. like i said, ive been mostly approving of what bush has been saying, lately. (clinton: "what with impeachin the president and having to probe deeper and deeper and deeper over and over and over again into the subject until it comes to its inevitable.. sticky ending.." connie bloor, more "this hour")
and britain didnt colonize you.. you WERE a british colony.. im sure you knew that difference but it is kinda a big one, sorry.
and, if you know the "dirty secret" about canada being left off the list, would you email it to me, if you wont say it in here? i am interested in knowing. thanks
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 22, 2001 10:53:35 PM
IP: ac9c10ea.ipt.aol.com

I know this hasnt been the main topic of discussion lately.
but, I was wondering if anyone had thought of doing a
timedancer and Dr Who cross over? I was a big Dr Who fan before gargoyles was ever around. and I cant help but think of Dr Who when I read the timedancer series.

Bill Schaub - [talon@hancock.k12.mo.us]
Saturday, September 22, 2001 10:29:42 PM
IP: 209.83.137.98

*Slips in through the fabric gate*

SJ: I guess certain people are just ignoring me. That, or you've pissed everyone off so badly that they are looking for any excuse to b!T*# at you.
And putting a port-o-potty over that F#C%'s grave will make dancing jigs on it rather difficult.
(Also, it's kinda sad when it is true that a country this screwed up IS the best. *sigh*)

Ravyn: ooo! ooo! I was applauded!! *does a dance*

I have just been going back through the Life of Riley archives, listening to all the music for the panels that I missed last time around...ran across The Neverending Story one. it made me smile.

Winterwolf: no, I've had a replacement computer for a little while now. i made an agreement with my dad; he buys it now, I pay him later. actually, later is now. *sigh*

mkay. I sleep now. soon. hopefully soon.
*sighs back out through the gate*
Lynati Kshudra
Saturday, September 22, 2001 09:42:40 PM
IP: 205.184.191.198

3-6=4
1+1=-3
9-1==1

Jan - your stories are always interesting. Most people didn't seem to care about my back.

**WARNING: Absolutely no person will care about the following:
BFTS RP will remain dead until there is sufficient interest in RPing to restart it. Sufficient interest means more than 3 interested people.
**END something no person cares about**

I didn't watch the presidential speech. Frankly, I was concerned about being bored to sleep.

Let's see what did I do today besides going online:
pruned some trees and got criticized for trimming one tree. The damn limbs were touching the ground or too close to the ground.

Hmm. When will the CR be wiped? Oh well.

DC visited me a few times. Apparantly, he suddenly remembered who I am and decided to leave me alone.

War is good for the economy because you use ammo that has to be replaced.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, September 22, 2001 09:32:25 PM
IP: max1-4.cwy.cei.net

Argh...so many replies, so little time...

Canada> <shrug> It is kind of an oversight...adn I have no idea why it would be made...<shrug> Although I will say Cananda has one of the best militaries in the world...It has to do with the quots set up by NATO. I would normally say the big three are US, Israel and Canada, but lately Iv'e been getting reports that after the past 8 years, we don;t really have a military. Altogether now, *thanks, CLinton*

Virus> Norton 2001, baby. Auto-download updates, I love so much. Note to Imzadi: people dont' attack Macs only becuse there is no point. Why bother stealing a Yugo when there's a Rolls Roys right next to it...with the keys in and the engine running, no less...Yay Microsoft.

And enough with the Istanbul already! Now I'm humming it..grr..

GB> Ayn Rand is a solid author, I enjoy her books...she kind of beats you about the head and neck with her message, though...and I'd image getting blown off by Frank Lloyd Wright didn't help her disposition.
Istanbul> (Not Constantinople) Dammit! Now I've started! I got a visa here and it wasnt' that hard...thanks may have changed now. I enjoyed myself immensely. I would suggest you spend some time at a Turkish Bath, they really are nice. The Grand Bazzar is nice too, but be ready to haggle and haggle hard.
Try the apple tea; watch your money. they have big money in Turkey...like and inch an a half too long.(all those zeros). So watch which bill you're handing over.
I'm sure your friend can tell you good things to see...I went to a few nightclubs here and there. Also try, Tokopi Palace, Great Cistern, Hagia Sophia, Sulyman and Blue Mosques, and there's a tower near the Bospherus who's name I can't remember that's preaty neat.
Also, If you come across a little resteraunt near the Grand Bazzar that makes you sit on rugs to eat, try it; the crepes are fantastic.
Oh, and try Turkish Coffee. I'll mention more as I remember it.

I'm too tired to spell check this thing.
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Saturday, September 22, 2001 09:29:06 PM
IP: pool-151-197-32-15.phil.east.verizon.net

Song of the day is Metallica's "Don't Tread on Me". If you've heard the song, you know why.

Here's my take on the anti-war protests that are already starting. To all of you out there who think that this upcoming war is a bad thing, that we have no business going over there and killing people, to all of you who want to protest and act like you're the new flower children, to all of you who, GOD forbid, might feel that America deserved this attack……I'm sorry, but you really don't live in a real world. You live in wonderful little world I like to call, "Fantasy Land". Where Care Bears all dance around and give you a hug when you feel down. There's probably a bunch of Muppets running around as well. Here in the REAL world (with all due respect to crappy reality tv shows), sometimes someone pops up, real mean assholes usually, who want to screw with you. And if you live in Fantasy Land, you might think, "Oh, he won't be so bad if I just give him a Jolly Rancher and a great big snuggle." But that ain't it. Sometimes it takes BRUTAL VIOLENCE to make sure the asshole never messes with you ever again. The Fantasy Land people, they are naďve, and really not all that bright, because they lack the intelligence to understand the real world. They aren't mentally fit to understand that, sometimes, in order for there to be any peace to maintain, sometimes you have to go to war. We can't have peace now; it's too late for that. A good chunk of our freedom and security was taken from us on the 11th. But we're going to take it back. By going to the Middle East, and being the biggest, meanest son of a bitch on the face of planet. Remember Sam Jackson's wallet in Pulp Fiction? That's going to be us. We're going to look at the terrorists, and we're going to show them our wallets, and we're going to ask them what it says, and while the urine is running down their collective legs, they'll whisper, "Bad MuthaF!cka", and it will sound sweet to us. And yes, in time, there may be more Osama Bin Laden's in the world. But the Osamas of today will be right where they deserve to be---six feet under. I only hope that we find Bin Laden, and that we take his body, and bury it on American soil. Then we put a port-o-pottie over it, cause I want to take the biggest dump of my life on his grave, and laugh the whole time doing it.

I basically think that all of these protesters are just ignorant schmucks who really have nothing better to do with their lives. They have totally no concept of what the Vietnam War was, what it was about, why people protested it, and they think that somehow they can apply it all to *this* war, and suddenly it'll all be like the 60s again. They're totally clueless, and I'd laugh at them if what they were doing wasn't so utterly pathetic (at least the hippies had a potentially valid point in that we shouldn't have been in Vietnam….in this case, we SHOULD be engaging in military action).
I could be wrong, but is sure seems to me as if these people are the same annoying rich kids, each with a trust fund fueled by the money that daddy made, who were out protesting the World Trade Summit.

Note to hippies, and like-minded individuals: the reason why you get so much crap is NOT because anyone wants to "keep you down", but rather because you just annoy the hell out of people. Stick to just the offers of free drugs and sex, cause those always go over well.

And if any of the words that I've just said offends you……..well.

You may not LIKE it? But you will learn to, What?? LOVE IT!!! Why??? BOTTOM LINE! Because we are the United States of America…..and we are, THE BEST THING GOING TODAY!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

And that very obscure reference wins you a bottle of peroxide to bleach your hair. Ravyn, care to take on this challenge? I'm pretty sure Mara could get that one, if she's around here.

Entity: This is all part of my Master Plan ™ (yes, trademarked! Greg Weisman, my lawsuit is pending!) to make all of America Republican. Working pretty well, huh?
Seriously, I think it's like I said last week. When it comes to war, we Republicans kick ass and take names later. We just love to bomb things. Hey, we don't care, just as long as we blow up something real good over there (look at Reagan. He was NUTS. You just know he'd blow up anything if it looked at him funny, and I loved him for it.). And since a lot of Americans currently feel the same way, regardless of their political affiliation, than it just seems as if they're all a bunch of Republicans. Don't worry, as soon as we eradicate a few Islamic terrorists from the planet, you pagan-loving, atheistic, morally-bankrupt liberal bastards can start hugging trees and criminals again.
That last line was a joke. I think I see Green Baron clapping his hands, though.
And Jon Stewart's monologue the other night WAS great. But you're wrong, Bill Maher is just a prick, who's way too good at inserting his foot into his mouth but not as adept at taking it out again.

Tim: That song was beautiful.
And don't I wish John Wayne were alive. If there's nothing else that Garth Ennis has proven, it's that if you want to beat the sh!t out of someone, remember the Duke for inspiration.

Gside: <<Isn't it tubers? Or did Brak write it himself?>> Come to think of it, it MIGHT be "tubers". When Brak gets excited, as he was in the song, sometimes it's a little hard for me to decipher what he's saying. Oh well, "tumors" is a funnier line anyway. But hey, Brak singing = always funny.

Lynati: Damn, when I advocate genocide, certain people get mad at me.

Greg: <<Those who protested that war and dodged the draft were in the right.>> Now out of a pretty damn good post, this is the one thing I disagreed with. You might have a point with the protesting. However, I still do think it was incredibly cowardly for anyone to have dodged the draft. If you didn't want to fight in the war, for whatever reason, you should have at least had the balls to become a conscientious observer. Yeah, they probably would have thrown your ass in jail, like they did Ali, but I have INFINITELY more respect for those who had the courage to say no and face judgement for doing so, than those who just said "Feets don't fail me now!" and booked it out of the country. That's a pussy move in my book. Guys like Ali, at least they had the brass enough to face the consequences for their beliefs, but those who literally ran from the country, I have no respect for.

Courtney: <<So, I can't spell big deal, everyone has their weak points in life. Spelling is just mine.>> You also forgot to mention your bad grammar.

Lain: Wow, Bush gives one of the most inspiring Presidential speeches of the last 10 years (I'm sorry, Clinton was a smooth talker, but he never had anything even remotely this important to crow about. He spent most of his time giving speeches about how he didn't know oral was really sex), and all you care about is that he didn't mention Canada. Priorities!
And almost the whole Middle East is at least giving us lip service that they support us. They probably really don't, but it's good to know that it appears most of them aren't dumb enough to want to pick a fight with us just yet. We're a pissed off nation, and we demand they respect our aw-thor-it-tie.

Britain will always be closer to us than Canada, probably because of that whole little thing about how England is responsible for our existence as a nation. They colonized us, and they were the ones who pissed us off enough to rise up and form a country of our own. So we share a unique relationship with them. That, and we love Mr. Bean.

I know the dirty little secret of why Canada was left off the list, but I promised someone I wouldn't tell. You know who you are, wink wink.

Patrick: <<Let me just say I'm getting really tired of seeing non-Americans saying we are "overreacting." Let someone bomb YOUR country and kill over 6,000 of YOUR fellow citizens and let's see how YOU react.>> RIGHT. You know who really sicken and disgust me beyond words? Those stupid assholes who actually believe that we deserved this. Oh yeah, we *really* deserved to have over 6k civilians die. Yeah, we sure had that one coming.

Now I really mean this. Seriously, I REALLY mean this: I honestly hope that whomever shares that view (the "America deserved it" p.o.v.) gets Full Blown AIDS and dies with excrutiating pain. Slowly.

And now I leave you with a quote from one of my favorite Keith David films. I imagine it being one of the things we say when we first set foot over on Afghanistan soil.

"I have come here to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And I'm ALL out of bubblegum."
--- "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, "They Live"

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 22, 2001 08:58:42 PM
IP: 66-44-91-219.s600.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

:: peeks in while waiting for ICQ to finish downloading his laptop ::

Crzy > Alan is just a big flirt... now I know why you two make such a perfect couple. ;)

Re: slow mail > Yes, recent events have affected the mail and all the other package delivery services. For three days nothing that had to move more than 600 miles moved by U.S. Mail... so they've probably got some catching up to do. For more info, go to "www.usps.com"

Re: 9/11 > Let me just say I'm getting really tired of seeing non-Americans saying we are "overreacting." Let someone bomb YOUR country and kill over 6,000 of YOUR fellow citizens and let's see how YOU react. President Bush spelled out pretty clearly who we are going to be going after: all terrorists and any goverments who openly support them. It's pretty clear that this is going to involve military action, but hey... it's time to wake up and realize that not all of the world's problems can be cured by hugging a tree.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, September 22, 2001 08:24:47 PM
IP: ac84e133.ipt.aol.com

Enity> <<why do you think God will favor one team over the other?>> When there is, or I should say WAS prayer before a game, it's not to ask God for favoritism or for one team to win over the other... it was to ask God to watch over the players and fans and keep them safe. It was also to give thanks.

When Colin Powell was asked if he believed in God, he replied, "Even satan believes in God" (He went on to say that yes he is a believer.)
Jan
Saturday, September 22, 2001 07:59:45 PM
IP: modem25-324.mo-net.com

ENTITY> Again I understand what you're saying and as a strong Atheist I agree with you. I would greatly have prefered if last Friday were called a "Day of Rememberence" rather than a "Day of Prayer". But I made no issue over it because, frankly, now is not the time for it. Wait a few years when time has healed the wounds, and then debate it.

Right now people need comfort, and they find it where they can. I don't believe that there is a God. I don't believe in any Gods. But a vast majority of people do. There is a lot of appeal in a benign being who will comfort you, and give you the strength to go on in the most difficult of times.

I happen to believe in myself, and found the strength within me to go on. So, what ever works for people. Right now, I don't care about being an unrecognized minority.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Saturday, September 22, 2001 06:35:07 PM
IP: dialin-1336-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Here's something: I don't mean to offend anyone, but I've been hearing "God Bless America" an awful lot. Bush says it ad nauseum, the charity t-shirt I bought says it, everyone seems to be saying it. But to me, it's like the old adage of praying before a sports game: why do you think God will favor one team over the other? But in this case, I feel more like it is: why do we need God to bless us? Why do we need to Him to fix this? If we're uniting under God, I don't see us really truly uniting under our country.
Entity
Saturday, September 22, 2001 06:22:10 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Can you believe it? My next paper for one of my history classes has to be about... LOVE. Wahoo!!!! ;) **tries to think of ways to use Coyote for valuable reference** ;)

Jan> Thanks for the virus info, and the link...I now have the nice virus erase thingy, which is good...my coworker that sent me the SirCam virus a bunch of times thinks she has this Nimda thing, so I might need this soon... ;)

Winterwolf> Ooooh... now you've got that song in my head!!! ;) **hums** Istanbul, Not Constantinople... grrr!!! ;)

Greg B> YEAH!!!!! :) You go. ;)

Josh> <<we pick up the laws that forbid women from driving>> **whaps him with a pillow** Don't make me come over there. ;) <<I'm not a "test subject".>> Dang. Anyone else want to try some cake? :)

Anabolic steriods> Actually, I'm going to try to become the next Chyna... can't you see it? "Ravyn, the Tenth Wonder of the World" ... :)

**applauds Lynati and Tim P.** :)

Coyote> **huggles tight** Sorry I'm gonna miss you tonight... **huggles more** ;)

And in honor of my wonderful history paper about love, and my even more wonderful Coyote...here's a nice quote from Plato's "Symposium" about love. ;)

"Love is born into every human being; it calls back the halves of our original nature together; it tries to make one out of two and heal the wound of human nature. Each of us, then, is a 'matching half' of a human whole, because each of us was sliced like a flatfish, two out of one, and each of us is always seeking the half that matches him."
~The Speech of Aristophanes
Ravyn
Saturday, September 22, 2001 04:56:53 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Oh look, another virus warning.

::YAWN::

You can rave about how much macs suck all you want, but there's no denying that 25 million mac users are not affected by this, code red, 99% of other viruses.

Avoiding stupid things like that is very simple: DON"T ACCEPT .EXE or .VBS files from ANYONE unless they've told you in advance that they're sending them to you. ESPECIALLY if they're coming from relatives/friends/cow-orkers (that typo brought to you by Scott Adams).

Jan: Norton AntiVirus is decent...but it may not include anything that can stop this yet.
Josh
Saturday, September 22, 2001 03:46:18 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-223.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Enity> <<Wow, this place has turned into a Republican meeting house. Were there ever any liberals in here? >>
Yes but during this time of crisis, people have put aside their political affliation and come together as one. :) We are united in one cause - to search out and stop as much terrorism as possible and to take vengence on those who were stupid enough to attack the United States.
You missed an excellent speech by President Bush. Not only was he well spoken, he also had the right deliverance. It was the finest speech that I have heard in a very long time. =)

lain> <<if you coughed up some of that "proof" you guys have>> we have this thing in our country called, "National Security"... maybe you've heard of it? They are NOT going to disclose all that they know and justifibly so. Besides, the *polls* are useless and do not contain accurate information.
I don't care if Laden is left or right handed, I don't care if he's the 1st or 25th son - I don't want to know anything about that coward. It doesn't matter. *What* he did matters.
<<("the canadian army has been training pilots without aircraft for a number of years now".. >> so have the Americans. They train in flight simulators. It's too expensive and dangerous to fly actual planes during training. Commercial airlines do the same thing.

SJ> nope, haven't caught that 'toon yet. I'll watch for it, though! It sounds hilarious! *L*
Jan
Saturday, September 22, 2001 03:13:06 PM
IP: modem25-324.mo-net.com

entity>> OH OH!!!!!!!! me me me!! im a liberal (from canada.. so it isnt quite the same but..) im a hardcore daisy-pickin tree-huggin liberal! (and liberals arent that bad up here, theyre classified as centre-left. the conservatives are centre-right, and the alliance (GOD help em) are right-right. if you want the REAL left-left daisy-pickers, you look for the NDP, the green party, the marajuana party and the rinoceros party..)

lain
Saturday, September 22, 2001 02:27:54 PM
IP: ac8c368a.ipt.aol.com

ENTITY> I'm a Liberal. I just happened to put aside personal politics for this crisis.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, September 22, 2001 02:16:35 PM
IP: dialin-34-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*dips foot into waters of the CR*

Wow, this place has turned into a Republican meeting house. Were there ever any liberals in here?

Bush's Speech> I missed it, but as moving as it may have been, I'm sure I would have just been bored by it. Bush can't speak. And it requires more than just properly pronouncing the words. You gotta be able to deliver. Watching a Bush speech deflates my sails.

Now, on the other hand, did anyone watch The Daily Show the night before last? Jon Stewart gave a MAGNIFICENT opening monologue. It was moving, profound and eloquent.

Bill Maher> I get the idea that he has a big ego, but aside from that, I like him. The only complaint I have against PI is its length. It literally just can't fit in the timeslot it has. It needs to be an hour. It just needs to. It feels like it's only gotten past the First Act when all of a sudden it's over.
Entity
Saturday, September 22, 2001 02:11:44 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

so.. you guys liked bush's address, huh?
well, i think i have to disagree.. not because he didnt do a good speaking job (despite the fact that the english language is his personal minefield, i was quite impressed on that front), not because it wasnt eloquent or moving or any number of other things but because, in his list of 80 countries he thanked (directly or indirectly) for their outpouring of grief and support, and in his list of allies, or indeed, in his entire address he didnt once mention the word "canada." he mentioned africa, australia, schoolchildren in south korea, britain, france the germans, latin america, israel and egypt and others.. but no recognition of the canadians who a) died in the WTC and on the planes, b) the canadians who grabbed their ambulances (while on duty)and drove for 14 hours to get to NY to offer help, c) the canadians who have donated money, food, clothing and blood to the rescue effort d) the 100,000 canadians who stood in vigil on parliament hill (not to mention the countless other vigils, all over this country) and, e) the large number of canadians who took stranded americans on diverted flights into their homes.
80 countries thanked, and not one mention of canada.
how come? are you deliberately trying to snub us? jean cretien is trying to assure us that thats not the case, though lots of canadians are miffed at the omission. gunjack assures me that the presidential speach-writers dont make mistakes like that.. which means that it must be deliberate. and thats just mean. or stupid. or both.
you might have forgotten that america NEEDS canada. sure you might be chuckling about the weeny canadian army but thats not what i mean. we have intelligence on 50 terrorist organizations within our borders, and i bet youll want that, wont you? not to mention your economic dependance.. 25% of americas total exports come directly to canada. we NEED each other. we ARE (in more than one way) your closest ally and now, all of a sudden, britain gets that title? we have ALWAYS gone to war with you. both world wars (though we were there first) the korean war, the vietnam war (though not officially, lots of canadians did the opposite of draft dodging and joined your army, we fought in the gulf war, and the latest opinion polls say 73% of us would go to war for you again.
but you snub us. and thats just not nice.

well thats my canadian perspective on bushs speach.
in more interesting info, did you know that bin laden is the 17th son in his family, and that he has 50 brothers and sisters? yikes.. poor mother..
a question: is bin laden left handed? check out that footage...
and did you know that the CIA spent more money supporting bin laden and his operation than theyve spent on anything else in history? even AFTER they started spouting anti-american drivel?

the majority of pakistan supports helping the US? well.. the latest poll says that 60% of them oppose it, actually. however, if you coughed up some of that "proof" you guys have, those numbers would drop sharply, i think, and they WOULD support you.

that plane shot down in afganistan was a uav. ("the canadian army has been training pilots without aircraft for a number of years now".. in case youre interested...)

GB>> actually, your potential ally, the northern alliance, has about 30% of the country, not 10%. they actually look kinda friendly..
and yeah, gotta love those republicans. if you hadnt noticed, one of the favourite passtimes of the gunjack and i is arguing.. (for, if no other reason, that means the making-up is soooooooo much better... *ethically challenged grin*)

jannie>> aaaaaaaaah yes.. dumb criminals.. have i mentioned i love cop stories? i have a really good friend whos with the military police. i call him up every once in a while and demand he tell me some of his funnier experiences. keep sharing, its great. you should keep a notebook, and then publish memoirs.. : D

*looks at tim phipps, blinks, and bursts out laughing* that was GREAT! i love it when people get angry and have humour.. i appreciate that, though i think i would object to some of his points, i cant.. cos im still laughing.. : D

jennifer>> you said "prezzies". all of my english aunts and grandma say "prezzies" and ive never heard anyone else say that. thats cool. (though i have been accused of being easily impressed..) ; )


lain "AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!! GET THIS CAT OFF ME!!!!!!!!!" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Saturday, September 22, 2001 01:33:30 PM
IP: ac9bf03a.ipt.aol.com

I am fairly sure I was a drunken New Year's party baby. September 16th I turned 31... blargh... is there any way to stop this birthday thing???

I had a great time last night. Keith David was great, poetry and singing... I was shocked that he remembered Alan and I. Not that I am complaining about being pulled into a huge Keith David hug and kiss. WOO!

Josh - "You look "distinguished", right?" A few more years and I will look like Rogue (minus the cleavage). "One might think the two of you were having an affair... " I am content with him just worshipping me. >:) Although I think my husband was picking up on Beth Weisman. We better watch those two. ;)

DPH - "Did the events on 9-11 cause a delay in the mail service?" I am still getting belated birthday prezzies and cards mailed right after the 11th.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:54:39 PM
IP: 1cust224.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

*stands and applauds Greg B*

What I have found very interesting is that the people who protest against war are the same ones using that freedom to protest that was gained by fighting wars. Our freedoms were not handed to us on a silver platter. We continue to have these rights by the blood of brave men and women who were willing to fight to keep our freedoms.

Courtney> don't worry, hon - just keep posting your comments :) Josh is a big bad bully *sticks tongue out at Josh* ;) I love the subject of History but unfortunately my memory is shot to shit these days and I can't remember many details... especially dates. I probably watch the History channel 75% of the time. While living in the deep south, I enjoyed visiting a lot of the civil war battle sights, etc.

GB> you know I love ya ;) I was just kidding about LousyAnna. I actually had a great time while living there and enjoyed the different culture. The only place that I did not like was Monroe. I had fun in the area, but hated the town itself. No southern state is all bad though =) I love 'em all! *stands and sings Dixie*

I went to a cub scout sign up rally this week and I'll be damned if some guy didn't walk in with a huge parrot on his shoulder! I IMMEDIATELY made a quick run to the farthest corner of the room and stayed there until the bird and man left. *shudders* My stomach still churns when I think of that.

I got called in late last night for a dress down. They brought a female in for lock up and they had no female employees on duty. Sooo... I got the skank-duty last night. I had to be present while she stripped, showered and redressed into the jail garb. (we have the big black and white striped prisoner clothing) hehe
this gal was drunk and had gotten into a bar fight with another gal.

Josh> concerning the guy who beat the other guy and then was jailed for assult. I agree that he had every right to beat the crud out of the guy, but it's still against the law to do so. Now, what's ironic is that if he had killed the guy, he would have gotten off... crime of passion defense. It's a screwed up world we live in... O.o
<< I think putting up with a kid who gets pregnant and gives YOU the baby entitles you to spank them heavily on their birthday. >> trust me, the thought has crossed my mind many times.... and not just on her birthday. I'm still having a difficult time with warm fuzzies towards her.

I received this virus warning from my internet provider this morning:
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Among a host of other problems, this virus will fill your hard disk full
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hmmmm.. anyone recommend a good anti-virus program for me?

Winterwolf> happy packing and moving! glad it's you and not me! *L* Been there, done that.

*wonders what Ravyn is going to do with her bag of anabolic steroids*
Jan
Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:48:47 PM
IP: modem25-324.mo-net.com

What a difference a nice, uninterrupted NIGHT of sleep makes ... feeling much better now. Especially knowing that I don't have to go to work tonight either.

Josh > I have an almost-prom-night story about Robyn Canmore and Preston Vogel (no, really! I do!). And no, not Oberon ; )

War thoughts > I just re-read Stephen King's "Hearts in Atlantis" (mostly because a movie version comes out next week) and while the first story, Low Men in Yellow Coats, the one they're probably doing the movie of -- Anthony Hopkins is great, but he's sure not what I'd envisioned for the character of Ted Brautigan ... pictured someone scrawny and cadaverous. But I'll see it anyway even if it does tie in with the whole Dork Tower thing like almost all his books do nowadays ... I bet the Talisman sequel will too ... anyway, where was I going with this?

Oh, right, Hearts in Atlantis. The first story was fine, but the one that really affects me the most in that book is the title one, about a bunch of college kids in the days when nobody ever criticized, let alone used obscenity in connection with, the president. When the start of Vitenam protesting began. Amazing how much the country's changed. To think that most folks once implicitly trusted and believed in the government. Anyway, stirring story, recommended, quite thought-provoking.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:01:27 AM
IP: 16-187.075.popsite.net

Josh< So, I can't spell big deal, everyone has their weak points in life. Spelling is just mine. I meant that I love to learn history it's one of my fav subjects in school, plus it's easy all ya have ta do is remember dates easy as pie. Just jokeing I love history just becuase.
Green Baron< Thanky heh I forgot that. Haven't taken anything on the Civil War since the 8th grade..lol we movein on up in history were at WWII now. Or at least I well be after 1st semster.
Hippies? Their coolies. I spoke their mind and did it the right way.
Courtney
Saturday, September 22, 2001 10:54:27 AM
IP: 66.73.10.71

**Winterwolf slips into the CR**

Hi. I finally get some time to relax now that the weekend is here... Wait a minute, I have tons of packing to do as I'm going to be moving soon. Well I'm going to take a break and post anyway. ;)

First I want to wish a Happy Belated Birthday to Josh. So it was better than the worst but that's about it? Somehow I really think you could make it better by making someone else's day much worse. :D

Second since Gside commented on Istanbul (Not Constantinople) I feel compelled to sing the song. Now while you can't hear me sing it (I know everyone is terribly disappointed) you do get the lyrics. So now you can sing it yourself should you know the tune. Gside look what you started! ;)


Istanbul (Not Constantinople)


Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks

Istanbul (Istanbul)
Istanbul (Istanbul)

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks

So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks

Istanbul

DPH> Are you still posting modulus math problems? ;P I'm happy to hear your back is feeling better. I wonder is it possible to help yourself by strengthening your back?

Jen> Best wishes to your grandmother and her brother for a full recovery.

Revel> Happy Birthday! It might be a day belated or I might be totally wrong if I misread your last comment. Hope you had a great day with many more to follow. :)

Josh> Happy belated Birthday again. <<Played Civ2>> How far did you get? <<<<Have some viagra>>: Whoa there. I'm not THAT old! Some things around here still work...>> Don't forget you might see the world in a pretty blue shade.

Lynati> Ack! :( Hopefully a 50% off sale will just happen to make up the difference. Now does this mean going to computer labs and friend's places to keep in touch?

Dreamie> **kiss, snuggle, nuzzle** Two more weeks before I'm on the road. ~_^

Well that's all for now.

**Winterwolf waves then exits**

Winterwolf
Bronx, NY
Saturday, September 22, 2001 10:05:17 AM
IP: pool-141-155-119-195.ny5030.east.verizon.net

My Thoughts on the Anti-War people.

Personally, I think these are people just looking for something to protest. Their parents protested Vietnam, so they think they can protest this war. Those people are full of shit.

You cannot compare this current war with Vietnam. These two wars are as different as night and day. We had no business in Vietnam. We did not belong there. Those who protested that war and dodged the draft were in the right. The government had no right to send those people to a war that had nothing to do with us. No right to make those kids die for nothing.

The current war on the other hand was declared on us by a bunch of faceless cowards. The North Vietnamese did not kamikazi planes into the Twin Towers and Pentagon. Osama bin Laden did. For no reason at all, completely unprovoked. Just like Pearl Harbor. We are now seeking justice.

The anti-war movement was good in the 60s and early 70s. Today, I feel that people behind it are just looking for an excuse to whine and get attention. To them, I just say; "Shut the Hell up."
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, September 22, 2001 09:52:42 AM
IP: dialin-626-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hi folks.

Today is my religiously observed "no work day". So instead of doing work, I just played games all day.

Handed in all those assignments that were plaguing me this week. Boy did THAT feel good.

I also ordered part of my birthday present today: a 40 GB 7200 RPM Western Digital ATA/100 hard drive. That will be my new primary drive, and my other 40 will be backup (its a paltry 5400 RPM). My 30 has officially bit the dust, so I'll be junking it. I've decided to compose a computer need/wish list to keep track of all the stuff I want.

I think that maybe instead of bombing, we should try a cultural exchange with Afgahnistan. They pick up our habit of not crashing airplanes into buildings, and we pick up the laws that forbid women from driving.

Patrick: <<So you're studying to be an engineer>>: That's what it says on my tuition bills. <<Study the "Dilbert" cartoons>>: Study!? I *AM* Dilbert. Or at least Dilbert, Jr. "The Dilbert Principle" by Scott Adams is my bible. <<Reality is closer to fiction than you might think>>: Dilbert is a wholly different engineer from (a) what I'm studying to be and (b) what I'm going to be. First, I probably won't be an engineer at all. The thought of doing physics problems all day scares me. I'd rather be a lawyer. Yeah, I know if I was a programmer or electrical engineer, I'd wind up like dilbert, but neither of those career paths are anywhere in my future. <<Toon Disney showed all four parts of "Hunter's Moon" immediately following the events of last week>>: Hunter's Moon only has three parts... <<Makes me wonder even more why the programming department can't summon the nerve to put "Deadly Force" back into the rotation>>: Well obviously "politically correct" isn't a motivation. <<where does one go to turn in a used Democrat badge and pick up a newbie Republican ID>>: ::high fives SJ:: Woohoo! We got another one!

Hyperion: <<Sleep? What the hell is that>>: There's a BNL song with those lyrics. <<set to work with fearless abandon>>: Can we see your work? <<Mine was my 21st, no calls, no cards, nada>>: Wow. Can't say I've had one that bad.

Baldy: <<Damn you for that, Gside and Robby>>: No kidding. I played that song the other night and had my friends in stitches. <<Who cares if they've fought anything in the last 100 years>>: A REAL military has a war at least every 20 years, just to keep in shape. <<didn't they do *something* during WWI>>; Yeah, they started the damn thing. And if you don't believe me, I've got a brilliant paper from tenth grade arguing otherwise. <<the place IS a viral nexus>>: RHPS!? <<How does it feel to be a year older?>>: Technically, I'm only a day older. <<Here's a webpage with LOTS of HTML!>>: Somewhere around here I've got a webpage with NO HTML.

Courtney: JEEZ. Run your posts through a spell checker, would you!? Since Alaska wasn't a state, we can say that no war has been fought on American soil. Period. The Alaskans were not US citizens any more than the residents of Guam. Your knowledge of history does not impress me since you can't spell or use correct punctuation. That sentence about being bad with US History...what did that sentence even mean!? That is why we have grammar and spelling checkers. Use them.

Robby: <<I'm left in incredilous wonder as to how they could even conceive of doing that... Seeing as how Hunter's Moon is only 3 parts>>: Heh, someone had to say it.

Aaron: <<Why would we want to>>: So they can stop acting like jerks toward us. <<I'm actually on IM now>>: About freakin time!

DPH: <<Did the events on 9-11 cause a delay in the mail service>>: Most likely. I still haven't gotten a simple manilla envelope from Niamhgold. <<all they wanted was my signature. Does anyone else have a problem with that>>: What's scarier is that you can order anything online and they don't even ask for that. As long as you have the card and know the billing address...the world is your oyster. The only reason I get asked for ID is that I wrote "SEE ID" on the signing plate on my card so that if it gets stolen no one else can use it. <<I hope you (and the post office) can read my handwriting>>: Looking at the handwriting of my family, you'd think we were all doctors. I'm sure I'll be able to read it, its the post office that worries me. In any case, that's why we have computers!

Smut Pandering Bitch Queen of All Creation: <<I was conceived on prom night>>: That explains the content of your stories...but it doesn't explain why you don't have a prom night story...<<feeling like my mind was coming apart at the seams>>: It probably was. That's why the rest of us are here. <<I've sent the big blue bastid>>: Oberon!?

Jan: <<I knew the winch didn’t have any class – but she went even further than I ever expected last night>>: I believe Chris Rock said it best: "Do you realize its the 21st century and there are still women that don't !@#$ %^#$?" <<I’m sure that people have read and reread GB’s post just to figure out what your name really is.>>: Joke's on them: her name isn't IN the post. <<otherwise, no one (who didn’t know your name) knew who he was talking about>>: If she hadn't made a stink, no one would have noticed. <<happy belated birthday>>: Thanks! <<I’m still adjusting to working again and getting up so dang early each morning>>: I know the feeling. That's why I'm gonna stick in school as long as I can and avoid getting any real jobs. <<he shouldn’t have beat the guy into next Thursday>>: WHAT!? Yes he should! You should have as much right to do that as you do to shoot a tresspasser. Hell, you should have the right to shoot them both! (That should give you an idea of what I think of adultery...having been on both ends of it). <<*I* gave birth to her and *I* had the 22 hours of labor>>: I think putting up with a kid who gets pregnant and gives YOU the baby entitles you to spank them heavily on their birthday.

SJ: <<what's so bad about being known as the guy who got skull in the Oval Office?>>: When I am king, one of my first official acts will be to get that in the Oval Office. Even if it isn't my headquarters (no pun intended), I don't want that bumpkin to be the only one with that distinction. <<she was tired from spending the day with Chuck Schumer firmly planted up her rectum>>: OW! <<I really want to hear Fred Durst's opinion on all of this.>>: As if it was his own opinion anyway. <<it was ultimately cut by Disney because of all of the necrophilia>>: Who died? <<Happy belated birthday to us>>: Thanks!

Ravyn: <<I claim that bag of anabolic steroids>>: Now what will you do them? <<you survived another birthday>>: Not as easy as it sounds. <<Take a bite and find out>>: I'm not a "test subject". <<it's like a different world down there>>: We call it the South.

Green Baron: <<I won't call you or Lain by given name again>>: Just because she bitched, I'd really like to start calling her by her given name...but then she'd probably eat me. <<I doubt a draft is likely>>: What's really funny is that my friends always call ME defective, yet I'm the only one who can't immediately get out of the draft for medical reasons. <<who is still alive>>: Are you implying that success = bravery? <<But it's autographed by Bob Dole with his special magical pen>>: Pass. <<That way no one is forced to listen or follow him>>: THEN ITS NOT A THEOCRACY! <<I plan to be a lawyer one day and my Chinese zodiac sign is a snake>>: I plan to be a lawyer one day and I *AM* a shark. <<No>>: Good. <<Yes, we would, only better and in better physical shape>>: I think that contradicts the definition of "American". <<Lain seems to attract deranged cosnervatives like me and now Gunjack, cosndiering her own views>>: I have some theories on that, but none are CR appropriate. <<LousyAnna? Steers and Queers>>: And you sure don't look like a steer to me!

Tim: <<YOU WANT IRRATIONAL>>: Dude, you wouldn't last 10 minutes at UC Berkeley. Everywhere there are posters protesting our "racist" war. Protests. Vigils. Meetings. And I have no part in any of it, just for the record. <<I'm tired of trying to reason with would-be "intellectuals">>: You can't reason with people who have no intellect, so who does that leave? <<suck each others dicks>>: Most of the intellectuals I know are straight. <<Serve their country? Hell, no>>: Hey screw you! Why should I serve this country just because I happened to be born here! You're damn right I'd rather sit on my ass drinking capuccinos (or lattes, as it were). Doesn't mean I don't think we should go to war over this. I'm just not fighting in it. <<while obstucting traffic with their stupid protest between U2 concerts>>: In my opinion, people who obstruct traffic for any reason should be shot. <<A homage to the great Dennis Leary>>: Are you an @$$hole too!? Cuz I know I am. <<Folks, I'd like to sing a song about the American dream>>: Oh my god you are! YAY! Join me my @$$hole brother!

Gside: <<it did involve self pleasure, tears, and girls>>: Kinky. <<Stay behind the man with the flamethrower>>: Tip # 2: never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself. <<There've been at least two rallies here already>>: I'm sure there's been 50 here. <<I'd do it voluntarily>>: Yeah but you're a freak. <<someone did have to draw a castrated elephant>>: OUCH. <<Hey>>: And here I was worried you wouldn't catch that insult. <<Amazing>>: Isn't it though?

Lynati: <<And nobody wants to think they are a bad person.>>: I DO! <<we could be "Evil" and they could be "Good">>: Hmmm...leaves things kind of open for flipverse fics.

Alright folks, I got work tomorrow.

...and scantily clad females, of course. Who cares if it's below zero outside?
- Linus Torvalds

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, September 22, 2001 05:41:56 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-7.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

*Enters*

*reads Tim Phipp's post*
Good. points.
Makes me want to burst into song, meself.
(I'm thinking Tom Lehrer's "we will all go together when we go.")
We had a discussion about the situation last week in my poetry class (oh, hush) about the whole situation.
People kept pointing out all the moral issues, what could have been differently in the past, etc. My teacher had this to say.
"All of that is irrelevent. We are missing the big picture. Whether or not our action is going to be morally correct is not an issue. Morality is irrelevent.
Right now, there is only one question."

If anybody else figured out the question at stake, his repeated prompting did not get them to vocalize it.
But I did.
The question is:
Is it going to be Us, or Them?
Because they want us dead. All of us. Our whole way of life. And they are not going to stop on their own accord.
Anyone who thinks the situation can be solved peaceably has not been paying attention. Because this situation has been around for decades, and if it could have been solved peaceably, IT ALREADY WOULD HAVE BEEN.
So, the question is, is it Us or Them...and what are we going to do to make sure that is Us, and not Them?
Will innocent people die? Yes. They already have. Will more die? Probably. So, is it going to be our innocent people, or theirs?
Cold? Yes. True? ...yes.
People don't want to admit that is true because it means that they are advocating the death of innocents. Which IS bad. And nobody wants to think they are a bad person.
Wanting to survive does not make you a bad person.
In a perfect world, we would never even have to consider these questions. In a perfect world, our history would not *already* be full of similar tragedies. But this is not a perfect world.
This is reality. Deny it, and let this sort of shit keep happening, or accept it, and do what you can to see that this is put to a permanent stop.
And don't delude yourself as our president seems to have done that this is an issue of Good vs Evil. The enemy is not Evil, they just have a different set of beliefs than us...one of which happens to be that we should all be killed. And we are not neccessarily Good, either.
Hell, we could be "Evil" and they could be "Good".
That does nothing to change the situation. They still want to kill our children.

Feel free to email me if you want to argue this point, but please keep the CR free of flames.

*Slumps in a corner and massages her temples*
Lynati "A full nine hours" Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 22, 2001 04:19:27 AM
IP: 205.184.255.158

I forgot to mention The Medium had started publishing again this wedneday. With an introductory sentence like... Actually, I think it would violate CR decency standards. But it did involve self pleasure, tears, and girls.

SJ> <<SJ enters the CR with his trusty flamethrower>>: Survival guide: Tip #1: Stay behind the man with the flamethrower.
<<the anti-war folks are already coming out>>: There've been at least two rallies here already. The first one was interupted by dissenters.
<<with all the other tumors>>: Isn't it tubers? Or did Brak write it himself?

JLA> Best wishes of health to any who might fit a definition of your family.

Imzadi> <<They did this to me>>: I'd do it voluntarily.
<<I thought last night was Wednesday>>: True. This night was Pictionary. And someone did have to draw a castrated elephant.
<<Guess that class was easier than I thought>>: Hey.
<<I bet you do somehow>>: Sure we had magnetic stuff going on at the end of Principles, but it should end there.
<<Uh, no>>: Don't worry, it's just a Früvous song.
<<I'll actually download that one I think>>: Amazing.
<<Its the content that counts>>: True, but I like to keep in the rotation.

Hyperion> <<I was in Istanbul at the time>>: Not Constantinople. Sorry, I had to say it.

Warpmind> <<Now my mom wants me to burn that on a CD for her>>: Just that? Such a sad waste of potential data.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, September 22, 2001 03:44:37 AM
IP: wc01-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Hey everyone, things have finally started to become less tense here. Good news! I'm getting ready to leave Korea and head for Washington state. I hope that I like living there. Anyways in a few weeks I may stop posting while in transit. With a little luck I'll be able to get on-line in my barracks so I can post more.

I'll talk to everyone later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 22, 2001 03:11:53 AM
IP: 210.91.100.11

[Tim walks into CR trembling in anger with his AK-47 slung over his shoulder.]

GRRR... Some... Inividual... who calls themself "Pestilence"... just posted a very... Unsavory editorial in the fan-fic website.

GRRRRRR...

Says Americans are Hypocrits.
Says we should,"Get over it."

Blood pressure rising...

Says we're shallow and are watching celeberties doing relief telethones just for entertainment.

Pulse... Accelerating...

Says what the victims and survivors went through is irrealavent.

Adreanal glands... producing... above normal...

Says we're racist for fighting this war.
Says that we have no concern for innocent people in the Middle East.

Visual acuity tunneling...

Says we're being irrational...

RAAARRGH!!!

[Plunges finger into CR wall and pulls out a large chunk the size of a small person and holds it above his head.]

YOU WANT IRRATIONAL, BITCH?!!

[Hurls the peice of wall across the CR, producing another hole on the opposite side. He then unslings his AK-47 and Fires wildly in the air.]

Fuck this! I'm tired of trying to reason with would-be "intellectuals" who would rather inflate their own egos with this santimonous bullshit and suck each others dicks than do something with their sorry lives. Serve their country? Hell, no. They'd rather sit on their asses drinking cappinchino while obstucting traffic with their stupid protest between U2 concerts.

Oh, sure. We don't NEED Geneticly Modified seeds to have decent crops, but we already tried using chemical fertilizers and insecticides, and they didn't like those either!

They Say, "We shouldn't retailiate with violence, we should respect human Life." That's where you and people like Bin Laden differ... HE DOESN'T CARE!

People keep crowing about understanding everyone point of view. Although I agree with that, IT DOES NOT EXCUSE THEM FOR WHAT THEY DID! And theres no point of assesing where blame blame ultimatly falls on for what happened. Human interaction is so infinitly dynamic, it would be futile. Let's face it Assholes, No one is inoccent, it's only a quention of who better at killing and pissing every one else off!

And in regards to this "Justice, not War" rhetoric: It's bullshit. And at some level, we all know it's bullshit. That's why DIRTY HARRY became a blockbuster.

And in case I haven't pissed people off enough...

[Guitar music begins]
A homage to the great Dennis Leary.

(Spoken)
Folks, I'd like to sing a song about the American dream.
About me, about you, about the way our American hearts beat way down in the bottom of our chests. About the special feeling we get in thecockles of our hearts, maybe below the cockles, maybe in the subcockle area. Maybe in the liver. Maybe in the kidneys. Maybe even in thecolon, we don't know.

(Sung)
I'm just a regular Joe with a regular job.
I'm your average tornado-bait white trash slob.
I like SEGA and porno and books about war.
I've got an average house with a nice hardwood floor.

My wife and my job, my kids and my car.
My feet on my table and a cuban cigar.

But sometimes that just ain't enough to keep a man like me interested
(oh no) no way (uh-uh)
No, I've gotta go out and have fun at someone else's expense
(oh yeah) Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
I drive really slow in the ultra-fast lane,
While people behind me are going insane.

I'm an asshole (He's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole (He's an asshole, such an asshole)
I use public toilets and piss on the seat,
I walk around in the summertime saying "How about this heat?"
I'm an asshole (He's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole (He's the world's biggest asshole)
Sometimes I park in handicapped spaces,
While handicapped people make handicapped faces.
I'm an asshole (He's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole (He's a real fucking asshole)

Maybe I shouldn't be singing this song
Ranting and raving and carrying on
Maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong
NAAAAH!

I'm an asshole (he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole (he's the world's biggest asshole)

(Spoken)
Know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get myself a 1954 Dodge Ram, flipping off those pasny ass whiners on the west coast. And I'm gonna drive around in that baby doing 115 miles an hour, getting 12 miles per gallon, suckin' down quarter pound cheeseburgers from McDonald's in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable styrofoam containers... yeah! And when I'm done suckin' down those greaseball burgers I'm gonna toss the styrofoam containers right out the side, and there ain't a goddamn thing anybody can do about it. You know why? Because we got the bombs, that's why... yeah! Two words--nuclear fuckin' weapons, OK? Russia, Czechoslovakia, Romania, they can have all the democracy they want...they can have a democracy cakewalk right through the middle of Tienamen Square and it won't make a lick of fuckin' difference, because we got the bombs, OK? John Wayne's not dead--he's frozen! And when we find a cure for cancer, we're gonna thaw out the Duke and he's gonna be pretty pissed off. You know why? You ever taken a cold shower? Well, multiply that by 15 million times--that's how pissed off the Duke's gonna be. I'm gonna get the Duke and John Casavetti and Sam Peckinpaw and a case of fuckin' whisky and drive...

(Hey, hey, hey, hey, you know you really are an asshole?)

Why don't you shut up and sing the song?

(Sung)
I'm an asshole (I'm an asshole, he's an asshole)
I'm an asshole (He's the world's biggest asshole)
A S-S H-O L-E
Everybody, A S-S H-O L-E
Ay Ay-Ay Ay-Ay Ay-Ay
A-thoom A-thoom-thoom A-thoom-thoom A-thoom-thoom
Oooooooo

(Spoken)
I'm an asshole and I'm proud of it. You're gonna have to be one too if you wanna get through this.
Tim Phpps
Saturday, September 22, 2001 02:42:52 AM
IP: s33-onawa.pionet.net

Lynati> Point taken. I won't call you or Lain by given name again.

Greg B> I wish I could have seen the address. I don't have cable in my barracks. I wish more people could put politics aside like you could.

DPH> Well, I doubt a draft is likely.

SJ> Well some jokes are a little disturbing, buts o was my camel crack :)

Bill Maher has said plenty of offensive comments. Maybe PI needs a new host, like PJ O'Rourke :)

<,Basically, Bill said that America is cowardly because we shoot cruise missiles at targets from 2,000 miles away>>

But who is still alive :)

<<I also have the right to call them ignorant hippy assholes.>> Go back to Woodstock if you can't shoot anything, hippy :)

<<I can't stomach a return of the whole hippy lifestyle.>> The National Guard can handle them.

Jen> ::bighugs:: My cousin and surrogate grandmotehr died of cancer recently and mainly because she did nothing about it. She was brought up not to talk about such things and she'd still be alive if she fought it. She was also a Southern lady like your grandmother.

Imzadi> <<Whoa there. I'm not THAT old! Some things around here still work...>> But it's autographed by Bob Dole with his special magical pen ;)

<<No its not. The pope doesn't rule jack.>> That's why it's a good example.That way no one is forced to listen or follow him. They (and I) choose to.

<<Not all lawyers are weasels. Some are snakes>> I plan to be a lawyer one day and my Chinese zodiac sign is a snake.

<<Have you ever watched "Son of the Beach"?>> No.

<<Then we wouldn't be Americans. >> Yes, we would, only better and in better physical shape.

<<Whoa there. No one said I was attracted to Lain. I just said that there were some hot chicks up in Toronto.>> I was making a joke. It si kind of funny Lain seems to attract deranged cosnervatives like me and now Gunjack, cosndiering her own views.

Patrick Toman> <<So... where does one go to turn in a used Democrat badge and pick up a newbie Republican ID?>> Registar of Voters, probably.

Hyperion> I like Ayn Rand, though I think she needed more humor in her life. My Econ Professors all loved her views on capitalism.

<<More accurately, did you see Hillary's reaction to it? >>
Click on my name, then. That's how I vent :)

Like Barabara Lee, what do you expect from a Communist?

What was Istanbul like? I have a friend I plan to visit in Istanbul, soon. How hard is it to get a visa. I heard you can get them at the border.

Warpmind> I think the Berserkers are not required to fight more than three people at a time.

Courtney> Seward was Lincoln's Sec of State. It was well before 1897, dear.

Aaron> <<But did you see GW just totally blow off Rehnquist?>> Rehnquist won't retire an dlet Wpick a new Chief Justice, I guess.

Jan> Is Anna still with you?

LousyAnna? Steers and Queers :p

You should click on my name, too.

SJ> Click on my name if you haven't played it already.
Thomas Muldrup Logan "Green Baron" Forsyth - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Saturday, September 22, 2001 02:35:14 AM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

SJ> **chuckles** I claim that bag of anabolic steroids! As a fellow wrestling fan, I definitely know that reference...plus I used to be a little Hulkamaniac myself way back when. ;) BTW, I *still* love your posts, man.

Jan> Wow, what fun you get to deal with at work! j/k ;) I love hearing the stories of the crazy people you get through there.

Josh> Hey, you survived another birthday. Cool. ;) <<This is chocolate...right?>> **laughs evilly** Take a bite and find out... ;)

LousyAnna> Well, been through this state a few times...honestly, whoever said it was right...it's like a different world down there. ;)

Christine> **hugs** Hang in there! Things'll be okay eventually. Good luck with work. **crosses fingers**

Coyote> Hey, there. ;) **grins and huggles**

Wow...suddenly getting very sleepy...guess I'd better go to bed now. ;) Have a great weekend, everyone!
Ravyn
Saturday, September 22, 2001 02:24:17 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

**SJ enters singing "I Am A Real American"**

Yeah, brutha! All you Islamic terrorists, SJmania is gonna run wild on you! 24 inch pythons, brutha!

A bag of anabolic steroids to whomever gets that reference.

Yeah, Bush gave a good speech last night. I still say we should be bombing things by now, though.

Mass genocide! I will be dancing in the streets at the death of my enemies!

Just joking. That's called pushing the envelope. A couple people may be mad at me right now, but I couldn't resist. Besides, it's terribly obscure anyway.

Yeah, Hillary had a big ol' puss face (tee hee!) last night during Bush's speech. I've heard two plausible theories as to why she was doing that. One was that she was thinking about how Bush Sr. got a war, Bush Jr. is getting a war, while all her husband got was hummers in the White House (but really, what's so bad about being known as the guy who got skull in the Oval Office? Oh wait, I'm forgetting what Monica looks like. Okay, I remember. Well, yeah, I guess that is embarassing). The other theory was that she was thinking Bill could have given a better speech. I say, she could have at least feigned support for Bush. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and just say she was tired from spending the day with Chuck Schumer firmly planted up her rectum (he lives there, don't you know).

Caught a little of the Telethon thingie tonight. Was bored through most of it. Cringed throughout the Ali bit.....note to self: never get hit in the head repeatedly for many years. Pay others to hit people in the head for me. Was a little disappointed to not see Mariah Carey go completely schizo and start trashing everything. And WHO in their right mind let Limp Bizkit in? Oh yeah, I really want to hear Fred Durst's opinion on all of this.

I almost called in, though, just hoping that Al Pacino would be my operator. I wanted to just recite Glengary Glen Ross lines to him. "Hey, Al: PUT THE COFFEE DOWN! COFFEE IS FOR CLOSERS!!!"

Jan: Do you catch "Adult Swim" on Cartoon Network? The Brak Show episode where Zorak gains his beautiful man voice is a personal favorite of mine. As is the wonderful 3-ham episode. "3 hams will fill him, 3 hams will thrill him, why don't you feed him....3 HAMS!!!" "Thank you, thought bubble!"

Robby: They DID make a fourth Hunter's Moon episode, but it was ultimately cut by Disney because of all of the necrophilia. Bloody censors, I hate them all.
Hey, you're an anime god. Do you agree with me that "Transformers: Robots in Disguise" both sucks AND blows?

Josh: Hey! Happy belated birthday to us!

I leave you all with a quote detailing America's new security plan.

"Someone wearing a diaper on his head should be expected to be interrogated."
--- U.S. Rep. John Cooksey, R-LA
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 22, 2001 01:59:07 AM
IP: 66-44-64-166.s166.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

One of the best thing Gargoyles did for cartoons in general was to popularize the 30 minute episode... Before that you had tiny toonsish 7-10 minute episodes almost globally... If you look at the cartoons being made today, you are hard pressed to find one that isnt 30 minutes long.

I cant help but wonder if thise is going to increase the attention span of todays kids vs the ones who grew up with the shorter cartoons.
silvadel
Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:09:30 AM
IP: cache-2.nyw.ny.webcache.rcn.net

DPH> I think that the attacks has effected the mail service. I know that several of the businesses here have had delays in various shipments – either from the USPS or UPS this past week.
I’m glad that the chiropractor is helping your back. BTW, I did ask about your back and health a week or so ago. ;)
Sorry that BFTS RP being shut down… unless you prefer that happening.
LousyAnna… *L* I’ve called it that many times *nods* After living there for a total of around 4 years … well, it’s certainly a different world there.

Aaron> <<But did you see GW just totally blow off Rehnquist?>> no, I missed that.. I was too busy being disgusted and appalled at hilary’s behavior to notice Rehnquiest/Bush interaction. I knew the winch didn’t have any class – but she went even further than I ever expected last night. Each time the camera scanned her, she was giving President Bush a dirty look and when the rest were applauding heartily, she was barely putting her hands together and did that real slow clap. I even saw one time when she rolled her eyes. Disgusting.

Did I hear correctly today that John Ashcroft has advised people in and around Boston to be extra careful this weekend? We heard that they have reason to believe that an attack of some kind is suppose to happen this weekend with Boston being the targeted area. I don't know if this is true or not, though. I certainly don't want to alarm anyone if this is just a rumor.

Crzy> ack! I hope all is better for you *hugs*

SJ> potato song… ROFLMAO you are bad to the bone! ;)

Lynati> <<And I think I speak for both of us when I politely request that you do NOT do this again. EVER. thanks. >> For those who don’t know your real names, this was a clue and I’m sure that people have read and reread GB’s post just to figure out what your name really is. *chuckles* You tipped them off ;) otherwise, no one (who didn’t know your name) knew who he was talking about (except those who know your real name). Ok, I’m dizzy now. O.o

Greg B> <<I trust him to lead us to victory, and deliver justice on those who would threaten liberty.>> Very well said :) I too have all the faith in the world in President Bush to make the right decisions, dish out justice and punish those who have caused harmed against us.

Spacebabie> yeppers, I listen to Rush every chance I get. Unfortunately, since I’ve gone back to work, I can only listen to him for about 45 mins. each day now while on my lunch break. I don’t always agree with everything that he says, but for the most part, I do.

Josh> happy belated birthday! Sorry I didn’t post on the actual day. I’m still adjusting to working again and getting up so dang early each morning.

Work this week was very interesting. Even though I’ve only been there for a week, I believe I’m going to really enjoy working there. I've already experienced a nice perk of the job....
Phone call:
"Ford Motor"
"Hi, this is Jan from the sheriff's office and I need to have my car inspected as soon as possible"
"Sure! bring it on down here and we'll get it right in!"
*grins* It's usually about an hour's wait to get your car in for inspection. hehe
Some of these criminals are really stupid! Then again, there really aren’t too many _smart_ criminals (not counting the high dollar white collar type crime)
One man held for attempted murder writes a letter home to wife outlining the upcoming escape attempt that they have put together... *blinks* ummm... even *I* knew that the jailer reads all incoming/outgoing mail. Apparently HE didn't know that.
On Wednesday night, a guy comes home, finds his wife with another guy, pounds the crud out of the guy, guy takes off running to hide out in the field, wife calls police, police arrives, takes statements, finds the guy hiding in the field behind a haybale in his underwear and a t-shirt. *laughs* Husband goes to jail for a 24 hour hold and in the mean time wife gets a court order banning husband from coming around the house… husband comes back to police dept. for “citizen’s standby” so that he can go to the house and get some clothes and his truck. (he has to have a police officer present and permission from the wife) Now, what’s wrong with this picture? SHE is cheating on him and then because he’s stuck in jail, she gets the court order keeping him from HIS house and stuff. Grant it, he shouldn’t have beat the guy into next Thursday – but still… geesh!
On Thursday, a teacher yells at a kid, kid tells teacher to get out of his face, kid goes to office, kid gets pissed off, kid leaves office and goes straight to the pay phone in the lobby and calls in a bomb threat – while the office is watching. D’uh. Police haul in kid, mom shows up too… while kid is chained to a pedestal chair, mom asks if we have any job openings for herself. I tell her that we’re looking for a cleaning lady…. She fills out the application and ends up putting MY name on for job reference! *blinks* This is the 1st time I’ve ever seen the lady! They run a criminal history and the lady has a rap sheet a mile long. I’m glad I let them know that I did NOT know this lady nor did I recommend her for the job. Of course, the rest of the day I was teased about the “company I keep” *L* Meanwhile, the juvie officer has spent about 2 hours in the office with the kid…. The detective comes out of the office looking pissed and has me signal to the juvie officer to come out too. They get into a heated discussion and the detective really begins to insist that the juvie dept. make an example out of this kid – especially with the given events of the past week or so… afterall, calling in a bomb threat IS a felony. So, in the end, the kid leaves in handcuffs and is transported to a juvie facility in another town. Do I have sympathy for this kid? Nope. What type of mentality does it take to call in a BOMB threat just because the principal told him to stop being a smart-ass to the teacher?? Ohyeah, the mom said, “no one takes a 15 year old serious when they call in a bomb threat!” ummmm…. Hello? The detective lost his cool a bit on that one! Needless to say, mom did not get the job at the sheriff’s office.
Much more has happened, but I don’t want to be excessively boring ;)

Today is Anna’s 21st birthday. I think *I* should receive the presents, thankyouverymuch. *I* gave birth to her and *I* had the 22 hours of labor. Give ME the presents! *nodnodnodnod* Party, cake and ice cream tomorrow afternoon. All are welcomed to join us.

I went to the high school football game tonight. Heh, brought back a few memories! I don’t recall the bleachers being so damn uncomfortable on my butt and back though….
I saw lots of people from yesteryear. I’m glad I haven’t aged as much as they seem to have! *giggles* yeah riiiiight.

Time to call it a night – I have a pancake breakfast to attend for our church fund raiser in the morning. I sure love being back in Smalltown, USA. =)
Jan
Friday, September 21, 2001 11:40:49 PM
IP: modem25-324.mo-net.com

Josh > now, did I _say_ it was a New Year's orgy, drunken or otherwise? LOL, now, me, I was conceived on prom night ...

Lynati > thanks, but I almost didn't make it after all. Got no quality sleep on Thursday. Screamed at some kids. Literally. Stormed out on the porch and yelled like a fishwife at the skateboard curb-stunting scrape-rattle-rolling little goat's pizzles. Had a hysterical crying fit in the bathroom after. Spent the night at work feeling like my mind was coming apart at the seams. I don't often lose it, but when I do, I scare myself.

Jen > sorry about all the bad news, hon, and I hope things get better. This weekend should be loads of fun. I'll be getting a belated prezzie in the mail to you soon (gee, Freudian slip, I honestly typed that as "male" the first time through). No Jericho this time, alas ... hard to write Amazon Women III when I've sent the big blue bastid to Hell ... but hopefully you'll like it anyway!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, September 21, 2001 11:20:27 PM
IP: 08-188.075.popsite.net

Warpmind - no, I don't have a tune for it, but the line breaks are correctly placed. I'm not musically inclined, except to modify existing lines.
The original song was:
**SONG THAT WILL NOT END**
This is the song that will not end
It goes on and on, my friend
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was
they'll keep singing it forever just because
**END SONG THAT WILL NOT END**

Did the events on 9-11 cause a delay in the mail service?

**current health**
For all of you wondering, since I started visits to a Chiropractor, my back has been doing better. Before, when I finished drying off after taking a shower, my back was killing me. Now, it's not quite so bad.
**end current health**

Here's a scary thought: my dad gave me his credit card to buy some supplies for canning and Walmart didn't check my id; all they wanted was my signature. Does anyone else have a problem with that?

Imzadi - I hope you (and the post office) can read my handwriting.

**TD status report (just j/k)**
Timedancer is the cycle that will not end
it goes on and on my friend
The TGS staff started working on it now knowing what it was
they'll keep working on it forever just because
**end joke of TD status report**

So far, you-know-whom hasn't sabotaged this post. I guess he's just terrified of me.

1+1=-3
2+3=+4
9-1==1

**DPH starts whistling, for no apparant reason.**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, September 21, 2001 09:42:13 PM
IP: max1-26.cwy.cei.net

Aaron- Audiogalaxy is a pretty good MP3 site. It has a lot of people, a lot of variety, a lot of anime music, and best of all, if you get cut off while downloading, the next time you get on, it'll resume loading the song from where it left off, rather than making you reload it from scratch.
Robby
Friday, September 21, 2001 08:30:49 PM
IP: aca3d45b.ipt.aol.com

Last night's speech was actually not bad. But did you see GW just totally blow off Rehnquist? What was up with that? Was it because Rehnquist was still wearing those Gilbert and Sullivan stripes on his robe or what?

Death: (Bows, thanking Lynati for the sashimi.)

<<Ooh, brilliant idea: LETS CONQUER FRANCE!>> Why would we want to? Happy b-day, btw.

Crzy> My condolences. I hope everything works out for your grandmother and her brother. <<weekend>> Dang, but I'm jealous now.

Okay, signs of the apocalypse:

1. I'm actually on IM now. I've got a yahoo messanger ID that matches my email addy, and I'm on Netscape/AOL as Shinigamipet.

2. I'm actually looking for a decent MP3 site. Anybody know any?

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, September 21, 2001 06:32:08 PM
IP: 209.33.140.100

Patrick- I'm downright amazed and stupefied that Toon Disney would air all four parts to Hunter's Moon... In fact, I'm left in incredilous wonder as to how they could even conceive of doing that... Seeing as how Hunter's Moon is only 3 parts...

Warpmind- The worst part of that song is only being able to remember two or three lines, and repeating THOSE over and over again...
Robby
Friday, September 21, 2001 04:57:18 PM
IP: ac8b6ebe.ipt.aol.com

Opppes Sorry I forgot Happy B day too Josh.
Courtney
Friday, September 21, 2001 04:06:19 PM
IP: 66.73.11.148

Josh< I knew it wasnt' but Americas' fought there and died and it was a territoriy than. Sewerd bought Alaska for 2 cents an acre in like 1897 or something like that..I do have my history book on my now for the exict dates (Sorry I'm a history nut, if you think I'm this bad with U.S. History-the only history class you get in the United States at this point in time you gotta learn to love it-Don't even get me started on Titanic.)It became a state in like 1959 I think...but it was still a battle U.S. owned the land therefor in every Alasken eyes that I know see that as a forgien battle fought on Americain soil. I brought up the arument in class once and the teacher yelled at me and told me No that is was...dunno. Sorry about the spelling. That's my weak point in life. I rather that then in history. History is too much fun. hehe
Courtney
Friday, September 21, 2001 04:05:18 PM
IP: 66.73.11.148

*Warpmind strolls in, humming the Countries of the World...*
Damn you for that, Gside and Robby. Now my mom wants me to burn that on a CD for her... ;)

Josh: Who cares if they've fought anything in the last 100 years? (By the way, didn't they do *something* during WWI?) The important is that they signed the NATO agreement, and are bound by it. Hogtied, even. As for the 2 mill bumpkins, well, when the 50,000 know how to use guns... and to aim. (Out of the two million, half are most likely to kill themselves or their comrades during the first five minutes...) As for my plans - no changes. Wasn't planning to visit Swaziland, anyway. ('Sides, the place IS a viral nexus, having one of the highest HIV counts in the world...)

Green Baron: No, the standards are not Berserker rules. The berserkers don't have rules. The standards are very cumbersome, as well as a bit outdated, really.

DPH: Nice Timedancer song. Got a tune for it, as well? ;)

FS: HILARIOUS strip! Maybe they should have read the instructions first, huh? ;)

Josh: Happy day. How does it feel to be a year older? ;)

And I think I'll leave you with a memorable quote...

"Here's a webpage with LOTS of HTML!"
- Vidar Lystad Johansen, while searching for webpage authoring tips...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, September 21, 2001 12:49:24 PM
IP: mp-217-217-195.daxnet.no

Sleep? What the hell is that? So, for no good reason, I suddenly decided to get creative last night at about 11:00. So, rather than waste it playing Cataclysm or Max Payne, or something equally mind-numbing I fired up Bryce 4 and a veritable *task force* of 3D graphics programs and set to work with fearless abandon. Nine hours later I realized I had to be ready to go in one hour, which made sleep kind of a non-event last night. <sigh>

Imzadi> Well, we all ahve Birthdays That Suck(TM). Mine was my 21st, no calls, no cards, nada. Of course I was in Istanbul at the time, but still. And in answer to your other question, following a few days in Istanbul, I did head down to Israel and, through a series of events I'd prefer not to talk about, ended up in Palistine.

GB> I can safely say I am a conservative, although the more I think about it the more I realize I have Libertarian leanings. I suppose the best summation of my beliefs would be objectivism, and if you dont' know what that is, I shall call you up at night and mercilessly quote Ayn Rand to you.
BTW, did you see Bush's speech? More accurately, did you see Hillary's reaction to it? I think she could have held up a "Bush sux" sign and not gotten the message across clearer then her expression.

SJ>Sir, I must admit that quote will probably be the bright spot in this otherwise dismal day. Very nice, very appropreate. Someone give this man a mint or something...not that kind of mint! I mean, like, a tic-tac!

Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Friday, September 21, 2001 11:33:42 AM
IP: pool-151-197-112-174.phil.east.verizon.net

Crzy > Sorry to hear about all the health troubles... I hope everyone recovers. Have fun this weekend... and don't forget to take that tape with you like we talked about and get me that autograph. You can let Greg sign it, too, if he feels left out. ;) Keith should remember me from the con... just tell him I was that fuzzy blur that ran by him to go move the car he rode in before they could tow it from the fire lane where Alan had left it. ;)

Josh > So you're studying to be an engineer. Here's a tip from someone who's been out of college and working in the business for going on four years now that they won't tell you about in any of those classes: Study the "Dilbert" cartoons. Reality is closer to fiction than you might think.

Observation > So is anyone else really surprised that Toon Disney showed all four parts of "Hunter's Moon" immediately following the events of last week, out of sequence with the airing order (they had just started running "Awakenings" again right before the 9/11 attack)? Makes me wonder even more why the programming department can't summon the nerve to put "Deadly Force" back into the rotation.
Re: President Bush > I think he set a new record last night for most standing ovations per minute in a Presidential address to Congress. So... where does one go to turn in a used Democrat badge and pick up a newbie Republican ID?

"We will define our times, not be defined by them." - G.W. Bush

Patrick Toman
Friday, September 21, 2001 07:08:17 AM
IP: aca3ca8a.ipt.aol.com

::walks in wearing a stupid-looking festive pointy-hat::

::points:: They did this to me.

Anyway, this birthday only sucked a little. For reference, my 18th birthday was the single most anti-climatic event since someone walked in on me and my prom date.

This birthday involved me waking up to go to math lecture, then going to office hours for my fluids class and discovering that I'd been doing the homework correctly all along, but there were stupid rounding errors (on the part of the TA's, who write the solutions) that lead me to be as much as 5% off (in engineering, 5% is BAD (TM)).

So tonight I took some time to re-write my fluids homework so it looks nice and I get a good grade on it. Then I ate dinner, chatted with all my relatives on the phone (and some friends), and did jack sh*t.

And no, despite Christine's comment, I was not conceived at a drunken New Year's Orgy. Nor do I lack definite proof that the guy that sends me to school is my father. I was conceived in a test tube. However, if the doctors were having a druken orgy at the time, that might explain a few things...

Went to dinner with Mike, Mike, and Vinay...and met up with my friend Robert and his girlfriend. So it was dinner for 6 on the south side of campus. Good times. Then we all hung around and played Civ2 and developed a new AIM client.

Anyway, on to replies!

The Wizard: <<HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOSH>>: Thanks! <<This time it's _definitely_ the 20th where you are>>: Cursed time differences.

Siofra: <<Happy Birthday Josh!>>: Danke.

Metaldemon: <<i just don't pay attention to who's in the House or Senate>>: This isn't about knowing who's who, this is about knowing the laws of the country you live in.

Lain: <<JOSH IS AN OLD GUY>>: Don't say that! I am NOT old...yet. <<happy birthday josh!>>: Thank you! <<i heard a while ago that faith was going to die>>: NO! They CAN NOT KILL ELIZA!

Lynati: <<apparently, burglary only pays off 50%.>>: SUCK! <<won't even cover half the cost for the new computer>>: And that's why insurance companies are still in business.

Courtney: SPELLING, girl. LEARN IT. <<Alustion *Sp?* Chain>>: God that was awful. And you say you had a test on this stuff? <<some pretty bad battles fought there>>: I don't think we're counting the Aleutians as "home soil" since (a) they span from here to Russia and (b) we bought them from Russian relatively recently. Oh yeah, and Alaska wasn't a state yet. So its not "home soil".

Revel: <<for the next 24 hrs you are the same age as me>>: Well then happy birthday to you too! <<don't ask me I'm an art major unless you're talking geometry or basic trig>>: The funny thing is that this IS geometry and basic trig 8-)

Green Baron: <<Maybe we'd be better as a nation of well-behaved, well-dressed, hygenic, educated barabarians>>: Then we wouldn't be Americans. <<Have some viagra>>: Whoa there. I'm not THAT old! Some things around here still work... <<I think he was talking about California, not Delaware>>: DER! <<One tank rolls into Paris and they'll surrender>>: Have you ever watched "Son of the Beach"? <<That's one lucky lawyer>>: Not all lawyers are weasels. Some are snakes, some are sharks. <<Add you>>: Whoa there. No one said I was attracted to Lain. I just said that there were some hot chicks up in Toronto. You don't really think she's the ONLY chick I saw while I was up there, do you? <<The Vatican si a good example of theocracy>>: No its not. The pope doesn't rule jack. <<it can't top Nixon going to China>>: As only Nixon could.

FS: I didn't say I was old. I just said I stopped being a teenager. I don't feel that old...though I'd imagine you feel pretty dern old, what with GB asking me if I need viagra and stuff.

Lynati: <<I think I speak for both of us when I politely request that you do NOT do this again>>: I think she might speak for herself on this one. For whatever reason that you hate your name, everyone else might not feel that way about theirs even if they do use a handle, callsign, or pseudonym.

Greg X: <<If they're smart they'll agree to our demands. Fat chance of that>>: Are there that many stupid terrorists? <<Happy Birthday>>: Thanks.

Sorow: <<Happy Birthday Josh>>: Thanks! <<don't go burning down the CR while I'm away okay>>: Darn, I was gonna, too. ::puts away kerosene::

DPH: <<Feliz compleanos, Imzadi!>>: Thanks. <<Let this CR know that I have sent Imzadi some of the money for MS Visual Studio>>: Unfortunately, *I* won't know that you've sent me money until the check clears. <<How fast would gargoyle travel at a continous velocity to avoid being turning into stone>>: Um...no. <<Part of a day (4 hours) away from home is a good thing, especially if it's time spent with a friend>>: Oh hell yeah. Spending all your time at home with your parents...surefire way to drive you bonkers. <<can I get support from members of the CR establishing my lack of sanity>>: Yes. And I'm sure I'll get support from the CR establishing my lack of mass. <<No person cares about this announcement>>: Not a soul, I think.

Gside: <<last night was Pictionary>>: I thought last night was Wednesday. <<ever notice how a man can still be a man and wear silk boxers, but silk jockeys become panties>>: I wouldn't know, I don't wear jockeys. <<As did I.>>: Guess that class was easier than I thought. <<But you aren't always the faker, right>>: Never in my life. <<I don't need force equations any more>>: LOL I bet you do somehow. <<Bad Stuff would happen with no moon>>: We'd need Rosanne Barr to generate tides. <<Happy birthday Imzadi>>: Thanks. <<Do you have a Jockey Full of Bourbon>>: Uh, no. <<the Country Song, performed my Yakko Warner>>: WOW! I'll actually download that one I think. <<I'm getting out of practice with my colors>>: Its the content that counts.

Sevarius, Jr: Niamhgold asked me if you and I were really the same person. <<HOW ABOUT SOME FIRE, SCARECROW?>>: You (I?) are one sadistic bastard. <<Damn, I can't have ANY fun, can I?>>: Not while the women are conscious... <<I also have the right to call them ignorant hippy assholes>>: They ARE ignorant hippy assholes. You might as well say "I have a right to call grass green." <<because while I can prepare myself to stomach heavy American casualties>>: Can you prepare yourself for your OWN casulaty? <<I can't stomach a return of the whole hippy lifestyle>>: Some hippy chicks are hot...the ones that bathe/shave. <<Unless it gets me free drugs and sex>>: Which are two of the best things in the world. <<Bill said that America is cowardly>>: Sears and FedEx pulled their ads from his show.

Crzy: Sorry about your grandmom. <<how the hell long do you expect me to live anyway?>>: Forever, damnit! That's how long I'm gonna live, right!? <<now that ALL my hair is grey instead of just my bangs>>: You look "distinguished", right? <<I am off to have lunch with Greg>>: One might think the two of you were having an affair... <<sleeping until the crack of NOON on Saturday>>: That early? <<IF I don't get arrested first for the slinky slutty outfit my husband bought me to wear>>: If you're worried about getting arrested, you should be more worried about giving your husband a heart attack. <<I may even come back less bitchy!>>: And maybe you'll ditch your husband and run off with SJ. And maybe monkeys will fly outta my butt.

Ravyn: <<hands him a piece of cake>>: ::looks at cake suspiciously:: This is chocolate...right?

That's all, folks.

I suspect all fortran programs look like 'firsts'.
- Olaf Kirch

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, September 21, 2001 03:18:03 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-155-111.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

*Trumps in*
Emambu: go check yer email. ;)
And yes, it IS actually 30. ];)
ah. sleep-time.
*Gone*
Lynati
Friday, September 21, 2001 02:26:13 AM
IP: 1cust82.tnt1.kansas-city.mo.da.uu.net

DPH- The answer to your question lies in if its a filler episode or if its actually based on the manga. If its a filler episode, a character can be cut shaving, (or in today's ep Gohan was nicked by a dinosaur) or be hurt by a rock thrown at their head if they aren't paying attention, so yes, a gun shot or knife wound in their sleep would hurt. If its from the manga and the anime eps that aren't filler, then the answer is, they have an inherant ammount of ki energy after all their training, and even at rest, their bodies produce a certain ammount of energy sufficient to bounce bullets and bend knives, so no, a gunshot or knife attack in their sleep wouldn't matter, because their bodies are harder than rocks anyway. (Now a knife blade made of energy might be a different matter entirely...)

Bill Maher- Am I the only one that actually saw the episode where he said that and agree with him? Its being taken slightly out of context in the clips being aired I think, because that quote came after about 15 minutes of discussion on the subject. His point is, people are calling the suicide pilots cowards for doing such a cowardly act, but in fact, it does take a certain level of courage to steel up the nerve to hijack a plane and pilot it to certain death. The US on the other hand, has a habbit of trying to fight wars without any casualties at all and launches missles from 2000 miles away... He's not saying the pilots did a good thing, or that the US tactic is a bad one, just that one tactic does indeed take more courage than the other. After all, how many of Americans would agree to go on a suicide mission? (Now, if they'd parachuted out of the planes right before hitting the buildings, THAT woulda been cowardly. But they went the whole way.)
Robby
Friday, September 21, 2001 01:01:42 AM
IP: acada794.ipt.aol.com

DPH> <<<Stupid question: couldn't any of the really strong guys be killed in sleep by gun fire or being stabbed in the back repeatedly?>>> I believe they could, yes. There was an episode where Goku had his guard down and Krillin threw a stone at his head. It hit and hurt. Goku got pissed. It was humorous. I believe their invincibility is based on being conscious. If they are unconscious, they cannot raise their power level or martial any kind of defensive energy to their bodies. But in DBZ, everyone's an egomaniac who thrives on competition.

Bill Maher> Those comments don't anger me as much as they just let me down. He's just giving the terrorists too much credit. They're TERRORISTS. And they only killed themselves cuz they thought they'd go straight to Allah and be given a big hug for it. But maybe he's just doing what I often do: instinctively reacting to what the majority thinks by thinking in an alternative way. Who wants to go with the flow? And alternative views are what keep us healthy and constructive.
Entity
Friday, September 21, 2001 12:47:45 AM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

JEN> My condolences on your grandmother, I wish her luck. Same with your ex-father-in-law.

And have a great weekend ;)

JOSH> Happy Birthday
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:19:08 PM
IP: dialin-172-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hey, Josh: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! :) **hands him a piece of cake and a pad of engineering paper** There ya go. ;) Enjoy! :)
Ravyn
Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:11:59 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

I think I am finally recovering...

The past two weeks have been hell for me. Not just because I haven't been able to turn CNN off since 9/11. (That stuff's better than DRUGS... I needed a twelve step program to remember how to watch mindless sitcoms again!)

My grandmother (who basically raised me) just found out she has cancer again. 5 years ago she had uterine cancer and she was recovering nicely... now they found an oddball tumor on her side that is cancerous and they don't really know what to do with it. They have been testing the heck out of her for days now. She attempts to cheer me up by telling me about her 53 year old brother that has brain cancer. ::sighs:: Her quote of the week... (in her southern accent) "Well hun, I am 74 years old... how the hell long do you expect me to live anyway?!" oh yeah... I feel much better now.

Next, my EX-father-in-law had a heart attack. My ex-husband (who I am currently taking back to court) calls me CRYING hysterically. I adore his father... but I had no desire to comfort the bastard. Ex-father-in-law is doing well now... he should be okay.

So now that ALL my hair is grey instead of just my bangs...

I am looking forward to a distracting weekend. Friday, my hubby is staying home after working for 3 weeks straight. So he is stuck watching the kids and I am off to have lunch with Greg... then meet up with him again later (with spouses in tow) to go see Keith David sing in Hollywood.

After sleeping until the crack of NOON on Saturday. We are dropping off the kids with Alan's mom and then taking a nap! (yes.. this is scheduled.) waking up about 6PM, getting dressed up and heading out. IF I don't get arrested first for the slinky slutty outfit my husband bought me to wear. O.O I have no idea where our destination is... but I do know we aren't coming home until Sunday.

I so need this break... so need this distraction. Who knows... I may even come back less bitchy! ... NAH! >:)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:04:49 PM
IP: 1cust71.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

**SJ enters the CR with his trusty flamethrower and a maniacal glint in his eye. He presses the thrower's trigger, and begins to cover the the room with fire.

"BWAH HA HA HA!!! YOU'RE ALL GONNA BUUUUUURN!!! HOW ABOUT SOME FIRE, SCARECROW??? BWAH HA HA HA!!!"

He pauses to read SOROW's post, then turns off the flamethrower and sets it down.

"Damn, I can't have ANY fun, can I?"
*****

I enjoyed Bush's speech as well. But if you've been reading my posts for the past two weeks at all, you know that I just want to bomb the hell out of everything over there in Afghanistan.

But Bush gave a good speech. It was moving at times. And he laid out for the country exactly why we need to go to war, and what the meant.

Two things bothered me today. One is that the anti-war folks are already coming out. They, of course, sicken me, but that's just a personal reaction. This is America, and they have the right to protest. I also have the right to call them ignorant hippy assholes. I so hope this upcoming war does not become like Vietnam, because while I can prepare myself to stomach heavy American casualties, I can't stomach a return of the whole hippy lifestyle.
Unless it gets me free drugs and sex.

The other thing that bothered me today was the remarks made by Bill Maher. If you aren't aware of this story, it's been widely reported in the news today. Basically, Bill said that America is cowardly because we shoot cruise missiles at targets from 2,000 miles away, while the terrorists who killed thousands last week were the brave ones because they killed themselves in the process. I'd rant about it all, but it's pointless. Let's just say that I'm happy the douche bag is revealed for what he is, and that I'm glad he's losing sponsors.

Green Baron: Jesus, don't take me so literally. The full blown AIDS thing was just a naughty joke.

DPH: <<Stupid question: couldn't any of the really strong guys be killed in sleep by gun fire or being stabbed in the back repeatedly?>> It would probably go something like this: the bad guy shoots / stabs them, and they get hurt. Then they find new energy. Then they get shot / stabbed again. Then they find new energy. Then they get shot / stabbed again. Then, still asleep, they call upon the people of earth to give them new energy. This new energy is enough to keep them alive. The entire affair will last 1,984 episodes, and will feature a subplot involving Oolong trying to steal Bulma's panties for no good reason at all (except for the obvious one). Does that answer your question?


"Now I want you to remember that no bastard every won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
---George C. Scott IS General George S. Patton Jr.

"Ohhhhh, I'm a jolly spud,
and people call me Bud,
I live down in the mud,
with all the other tumors!"
---Brak, "The Potato Song"
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:53:12 PM
IP: 66-44-90-153.s534.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

I'm getting out of practice with my colors.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:52:49 PM
IP: wc01-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Been busy. Well, tuesday night was busy, last night was Pictionary.

Imzadi> <<make it a "summon panties" spell? I could really use one of those>>: Sure, Happy. But ever notice how a man can still be a man and wear silk boxers, but silk jockeys become panties?
<<Jeez, how?!>>: If they started at six in the morning.
<<Drunk people are funny>>: Frog blast the vent core.
<<you posted to someone else!>>: I think that's because things are calming down from the emergency, and people are talking about other stuff again.<<I got an A+ in MATLAB>>: As did I.
<<Weekly...at midnight...on saturday>>: But you aren't always the faker, right?
<<NOOOOOO!>>: Yeeeesss.
<<And how would you generate such a thing?>>: No idea, but I think the concept is fun enough by itself.

Robby> <<I also know all of Model of a Modern Major General>>: But at what bpm?

Aaron> <<You guessed it>>: But does it have "Mug" written on it?

Lynati> <<I've been over-exposed to the work of Jhonen Vasquez>>: Not Troutman?

Gunjack> <<no, I'm not wearing smiley-face boxers>>: They were from a Lucky Charms box: hearts, stars, moons, etc.
<<I'm trying to decide whether or not to watch it>>: Go for it. I've only got three episodes. I think I should hit up Chun for his FTP info this year.

SRS Jr.> <<Josh, or someone that knows mathmatics better than I>>: Hey.
<<what sort of trajectory would be needed>>: Eh, I'm in ECE. I don't need force equations any more.

Robby> <<Unfortunatley, someone or another kept wishing the moon back>>: It's a good thing. Bad Stuff would happen with no moon.

Happy birthday Imzadi.
<<There's some bourbon in my closet>>: Do you have a Jockey Full of Bourbon?
<<the south side of campus (where the english/social studies buildings are)>>: Oddly enough, same here. Actually, furthest south we got the farmboys, then just above are the lesbians, and in the middle are the fratboys. Humanities, etc. are divided amonb the lesbians and fratboys. Then again, the '60s/'70s experimental campus, now the ghetto, is to our east.

And due to inspiration from Robby, the mp3 is the Country Song, performed my Yakko Warner.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:52:27 PM
IP: wc01-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Feliz compleanos, Imzadi!! Happy birthday!!

Let this CR know that I have sent Imzadi some of the money for MS Visual Studio.

LousyAnna, LousyAnna, LousyAnna, LousyAnna, LousyAnna <-I'm trying to people from LousyAnna upset.

Trick question: How fast would gargoyle travel at a continous velocity to avoid being turning into stone?

**DB/DBZ**
Stupid question: couldn't any of the really strong guys be killed in sleep by gun fire or being stabbed in the back repeatedly?
**END DB/DBZ**

Part of a day (4 hours) away from home is a good thing, especially if it's time spent with a friend.

BTW, in case of military draft, can I get support from members of the CR establishing my lack of sanity?

Within 2 weeks, the BFTS RP group will be terminated. <--No person cares about this announcement.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:26:29 PM
IP: max1-18.cwy.cei.net

Happy Birthday Josh!
Hey everyone. I will be going home this weekend so I probably won't be in here again until Sunday night. So don't go burning down the CR while I'm away okay? Hahaha, love ya.
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:04:23 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Well, I just finished watching the President's address to the nation, and it was a great speech. Very eloquent. I couldn't help but applaud, especially when he held up the badge of the police officer who died saving others inside the World Trade Center.

The ultimatum delivered to the Taliban was sweet. If they're smart they'll agree to our demands. Fat chance of that. I won't feel bad about what happens to them, they got their warning, the rest is up to them.

It was great to see Governor Pataki, Mayor Giuliani and especially Tony Blair. Nice show of unity from everyone there.

Hell, the amazing thing is that I've come to respect Bush. I like him. I may not agree with some of his personal politics (same with Giuliani), but there are things more important than that. I trust him to lead us to victory, and deliver justice on those who would threaten liberty.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Thursday, September 20, 2001 09:55:35 PM
IP: dialin-614-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*Back in, vein her forehead twitching*

GB: umm...thanks for the condolences, but a section of your post is now forcing to remind you of a VERY important fact. Some of here- and elsewhere online- have a thing where we HATE to have our given names used anywhere online. (And most-despised nicknames of our given names even more, I might add.)This includes IM's...and CR posts. I am- obviously- one of these people. lain is another. And I think I speak for both of us when I politely request that you do NOT do this again. EVER. thanks.


Christine: one more night? you can make it! *gives thumbs up*

*Poof*
Lynati
Thursday, September 20, 2001 06:53:04 PM
IP: 205.184.255.154

Speaking of Pokemon, check out the comic at my link.

I REALLY started laughing when I read this.

Imzadi: If you think YOU are old, how the frell do you think *I* feel?
Fire Storm - [<--- POKEMON LOVERS! Don't click here!]
Thursday, September 20, 2001 06:49:36 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Robby > well, Becca could name them all by sight, I don't know if she could list them. But she is only almost-seven ; )

September birthdays > oh, it's that time of year again when everybody conceived on Happy New Year is celebrating! ; ) Happy Birthday, all!

And speaking of which, there's still time to sign Greg Weisman's online card. Clickie clickie!

One more night of work ... ::shudder:: One more night ...

Christine - [<---- Sign Greg's card!]
Thursday, September 20, 2001 06:10:00 PM
IP: 12-194.075.popsite.net

Courtney> I'm not mad. I'm glad you told me. I never knew about battles in the Aleutian islands. japan also conquered the Philipines and Guam. Of course, Alaska was in the same status as Guam, Hawaii, and the Philipines at that time.

Still, we have gotten soft and hopefully after we handle thsi problem, we'll be more alert. Maybe we need to be a little less civilized. It would probably cut down our high obesity level, too. Barabarians were in always in good shape. Maybe we'd be better as a nation of well-behaved, well-dressed, hygenic, educated barabarians.

Lynati> That sucks major Kennedys.

Josh> Happy Birthday. Have some viagra. The bottle is autographed by Bob Dole, too :)

Hyperion> For some reaosn I didn't think you were conservative, though I begin to see it, now. I read that Barabara Lee and Ron Dellums were both Communists (or at leats fellow travelers) and that is scary, since Dellums was House Defense Chair. Of corse, I thought the biggest dipsh*t in Congress was Maxine Waters. I guess Barabara Lee may get that fame. House shame Awards

Biggest whiner: Barney Frank
Demagouge: Maxine Waters
Winner of the 60s is over award: Neil Abercrombie
Anti-American: Barbara Lee
Drunken Brawler Award: JD Hayworth
Most monotone speaker: John Conyers
Biggest pitbull: David Bonior

Lain> I do agree we have a whole nest, not just one viper. Bin Laden is one fiend. There are lots of others in that organization. Even if he isn't guilty. The Northern Alliance would do a better job running Afghanistan. Plus the whole idea of ethnic minorities united against a greater evil (be it Taliban or Communsim or oppressive big Governemnt in general) is rather nice. Kind of like modern day Huns.

As for Hitler, he was rather pivotal, though roiginally he was just one of the party. Of course, the Nazi Government was incredibly corrupt and would have collapsed regardless of WWII, leading to a takeover of Europe by the Soviets, so thank God America got involved.

David G.> I feel better, now. I also know I can't cry, though the cold, grim feeling that filled me was eerie.

Hyperion> The search for Bin laden reminds me of a joke back in 93 about tracking down Mohammed Aidid in Somalia. I wonder if the CIA has already started infiltrating the Taliban. I sure hope they did. Just imagine the look on Bin Laden's face as somebody he grew to trust rams a poisoned bayonet in his stomach. Of course if we do a good enough job of infiltration, we can wipe out the whole organization from within.

Thirteen year old wives> If the marriage si meant to be consummated, that is disgusting, but if its purely for political allainces like they did in medieval Europe, then it doesn't bother me. I doubt Bin Laden married the girl for money or power, though.

Triglycerine> Greg's right. I knew Mandi, Missy and Laudre were working on it three years ago. Now, I don't know. Missy and Laudre are PORL/MIA, I think. Go for it, if you want to see it.

Niamhgold> I think he was talking about California, not Delaware. What is so bad about Delaware, except the people voted against the inventor of the Roth IRA and the otehr Senator is a plagiraist owned by MBNA.

You're thinking about knocking down your purity test results. I think I hear a bunch of guys at your door, now :)

Fire Storm> <<All votes by any of our representatives in the House or Senate are recorded by law.>>
That's hopefully the main stuff we use when voting.

DPH> Louisiana: Third World and Proud of it :)

SJ> <<I got a weird thing for girls who say "aboot.">>
You and Meredith need to get together. She has a habit of attracting right-wingers :)

<<I still say that if you want to make a solid bet, gamble everything that you own in Vegas that the minute things get bloody and we ask for a little help (even something incredibly miniscule), the French roll on us at the first possible instant.>>

Well, I'm only a few hours from Paris and my cousin is an NCO in an Armoury Unit that my detachment pays, so why not. One tank rolls into Paris and they'll surrender :)

<<Oh well, I guess I'll have to carry out my plan to infect the population of Afghanistan with Full Blown AIDS without your help. >>

A) we have a potential allay that runs 10% of the country. You want to infect the people who know how to fight thsi war?

B) That won't have any short-term effect

C) The Taliban probably get worse diseases from their camels

D) The average Afghani peasant will side with us once we take their village and prove we will succeed

So, basically you're proposing we infect allies and Bin laden probably won't even get touched by it.

Imzadi> <<Why would you want to go down on a weasel?>> That's one lucky lawyer :)

<<We can stay with my cousin Donna and check out hot Canadian chicks.>> You too? So far, Meredith and I were attracted to each other. Then her and Moochie. Add you and SJ. Hmmm, I guess Meredith just can't get enough Republican loving :)

<<(where the english/social studies buildings are)>> Rimshot!!

<<Cursed humanities majors>> Business Majors rule!!!! Yeah!!!!

<<Then maybe you should be more concerned that you're gaining it.>> Or relieved.

<<And they were around for thousands of years.>> Though every few generations, the Pharaohs got so inbred that another dynasty took over. Granted my own feelings toward theocracy come from my own faith. The DeMedici Popes had good taste, but they almsot destroyed my beloeved Church. Pope John Paul II has no secular authority at all, but he's probably one of the greatest figures of the twentieth century. The Vatican si a good example of theocracy, because the Pope can't physically force anyoen to do something, but he sure can inspire.

<<Fine!? It'd be one of our finest American acheivements.>> Nah!! it can't top Nixon going to China.

<<Gee, one might get the impression from this post that you really like Colin Powell>> When it comes to Foreign Policy, he is on par with Kissinger and Bismark.



Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Thursday, September 20, 2001 02:08:27 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

Hey Josh guess what, for the next 24 hrs you are the same age as me, hehe cool. Happy Birthday.

Math, don't ask me I'm an art major unless you're talking geometry or basic trig.

Lynati- that's what they told me when my radio was stolen from my car. I know the thing was not worth much, but it was still mine dammit. The ironic thing was if they had taken my tools that would have been classified under home owners insurance.

Lain- Don't worry, you have to roll with the bad teachers to get to the good ones. Even though I'm not good with painting my teacher is very understanding and helpful.

Biological weapons in three words: World War One (nasty)

"Multi-colored vision can be fun!"
-The message board-

Later

Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, September 20, 2001 01:53:05 PM
IP: dynamic-129-120-166-19.dynamic.unt.edu

Green Baron< Entity> I would agree. We have been soft on terrorism in the past. America is more concerned about pleasing friends than punishing enemies. Also, America has gotten soft because it always felt that it couldn't be touched. It's been almost 200 years since a foreign war was fought on our soil. Pearl Harbor was on a military target in the Pacific, before Hawaii was a state. >>>>>>
UmmmI don't want to get ya mad but there has been foreign war fought on U.S. soil. During WWII many ppl don't know this because I really dont' know why and the only reason I know is becuse I live in Kodaik, Ak. I had to have a test on WWII and Alaska....ohh joy. Well anyway Attu an island in the Alustion *Sp?* Chain had some pretty bad battles fought there with the Janpanise.Kodaik was like the main port and everyone went there before going out into the Picific....tay that's all for now bye bye.
Courtney
Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:11:05 PM
IP: 66.73.7.172

*In*
*sigh* I got a letter from my insurance adjusters today.
apparently, burglary only pays off 50%.
If I had honestly thought that there was a chance of anything getting stolen, I would have got the 5,000 policy instead of the 2,000.
No, actually, if I had thought there was any chance of anything getting stolen, I would have used the money to bribe one of my fellow students to take my stuff for the summer.
This now won't even cover half the cost for the new computer, esp. if that 100 deductible is what I think it is.

%&*$(%#&$.
*out*
Lynati
Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:07:44 PM
IP: 207.221.70.203

not much going on here... i want to rant about my public art teacher because shes REEEEEALLY annoying and snotty and all kinds of other colourful words i could use to describe her.. but wont..

in happier news, JOSH IS AN OLD GUY!!!!!!!!!!! happy birthday josh! YAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!

sj>> i heard a while ago that faith was going to die, defending buffy or something something. dunno how true it is, it remains simply a rumour. i hope its not true, becuase faith is one of my favourites..

anyway, back to class.. i almost fell asleep in the sound lab this morning.. am i going to remember ANYTHING from that 2 hour lesson other than how to use patch cords (which i already knew? gah.. more pointless school)

love,
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:13:52 AM
IP: dgilbert.visual.arts.uwo.ca

Josh> Well, i just don't pay attention to who's in the House or Senate.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Denton, Tx
Thursday, September 20, 2001 09:59:23 AM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Happy Birthday Josh!!!
Siofra
Thursday, September 20, 2001 07:30:34 AM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

** Niamhgold short-post start frame **

Hey, it's morning, I've got a lot of work to catch up on...but HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOSH! This time it's _definitely_ the 20th where you are :)

Adios!
** Niamhgold end frame **
Niamhgold
Thursday, September 20, 2001 07:21:32 AM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Well folks, I regret to announce that I stopped being a teenager.

I went to an awful lot of class today, followed by an awful lot of homework. It never stops.

The good news is that I found a gaping error in my mechanics homework. I was, in fact, doing it correctly. I just forgot to SQUARE a term...which kind of changes EVERYTHING. No wonder my answers were so small.

I've gotten 2 of my 3 really nasty assignments out of the way. That leaves the fluids homework...which has to wait since the office hours are tomorrow. I hope there are other people that are more clueless than I am...I'm not used to being behind the curve.

Anyway, on to replies!

Queen of Pain: <<Masseltov!>>: a) it's "Mazel Tov" and b) it means "congrats" not "huzzah!" <<Now I have a huge bruise>>: The moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished. That's why we call you the Queen of Pain. <<My whole family and I are going to get on a plane and head towards Waco Texas>>: Oh fun fun!

Green Baron: <<had an awful tragedy>>: Wow. That is awful. <<Perhaps I am afraid I am losing my own humanity, and I know a few years ago, that wouldn’t have bothered me in the least>>: Then maybe you should be more concerned that you're gaining it. <<Colin Powell>>: Gee, one might get the impression from this post that you really like Colin Powell. <<releasing a virus that can only be cured by bathing and women shaving their armpits is fine>>: Fine!? It'd be one of our finest American acheivements. <<Bring back the Bourbons!>>: There's some bourbon in my closet...will that help? <<There was more inbreeding than a small town in Mississippi :) That's why they had so many dynasties>>: And they were around for thousands of years. <<Killjoy>>: Yeah pretty much. <<God is the Almighty>>: So I've heard.

Moochie: <<You can't hack my mad style, dawg>>: Riiiiight...

Hyperion: <<if you're ever given the choice of living a dull life over an "interesting" one; take the dull one. You'll be alot happier>>: No thanks, I'd be bored. <<If however, you mean crazy fundamentalists... well, they're about as rare as Jerry Falwell. Admittedly, that's from my own research and personal observations of both Israel and Palestine>>: You haven't been to Israel either, have you? <<what do you expect from a communist>>: Communism.

Metaldemon: <<How do we know that woman's name who voted against military action>>: I'm sorry, do you LIVE in the US!? We know how every senator/representative voted on anything ever.

Triglycerine: Okay we need to have a talk. Punctuation: USE IT. A five line sentence is not appropriate in here; its hard to read.

Greg X: Way to tell him! Hah, hah, you posted in pink. <<If it's dropping bio or chem weapons... then so be it>>: You're both certifiable. I'm so glad we're friends.

The Wizard: <<in the wake of everything that has happened, I think that you should be patient in waiting for new eps>>: Patience is, apparently, not a virtue of many of TGS's readers. <<it's under heavy, heavy construction>>: Translation: It sucks and its non-functional. <<I'm sure if there's anything pressing that I haven't answered, you'll let me know>>: As if I remember anything I posted yesterday. <<What's the question?>>: A jib crane has the dimensions shown in the figure. Rod AB has a cross-sectional area of 300 mm^2 and tube BC, 320 mm^2. (a) find the vertical stiffness of the crane at point B. (b) Determine the vertical deflection caused by the application of force P = 16 kN. Let E = 200 GPa. <<what's it about?>>: Conservation of Energy, apparently. <<When is homework enjoyable>>: When its easy and I get to boast that I'm done and YOU'RE not. <<That might help explain a few things>>: You have no idea. <<some would argue that it's better than Portugal.>>: What is your obsession with that place? <<so many responses and so little time>>: None of them appropriate, I'm sure. <<at the very least, should protect your computer>>: That computer is damn sturdy. I'm not worried about the machine, just the HD. That will definitely be protected. And since that's where my brain patterns would be stored, no problem. Now all I need is more HD space... <<It's hard for Statics to maim and kill>>: How little you know. <<Dynamics, however, has the potential>>: Just ask the WTC...which is what we were discussing (physically) in my dynamics class yesterday. <<Delaware, right? You're talking about Delaware?!>>: Now shift left 3000 miles. <<But the rest of us don't>>: Which is why you don't pay for it. <<(a) *ahem* going to knock down my purity test results by 75 points>>: There so isn't enough time. <<(b) Eat a hampster>>: I don't wanna know. <<darned if I'll go down a lying weasel!>>: Why would you want to go down on a weasel? <<are you asking this for yourself?>>: Oh yeah, you know me. I dig those 13 year olds ;-) <<Photoshop is sweeet>>: Amen to that.

FS: <<all votes...>>: Hey look! Someone who's educated! ::shakes FS's hand:: <<Did someone call my name>>: No, I asked for a rocket scientist. You are not a rocket scientist...are you? <<YEAH! PHYSICS!>>: Hell yeah! <<Tangent?>>: Yes, it is. <<but that's nearly impossible>>: Not impossible, just unlikely. <<I have the math around here somewhere>>: All evidence to the contrary. Who taught you dimensional analysis, anyway!? ;-) <<But I was right the second time>>: Space travel doesn't allow for second chances. You'll forgive me if I don't give you a position at NASA when I take over. <<What website>>: Website!? Website!? You dare insult my intelligence! FOOL! I SHALL CRUSH YOU! ;-)

Stephen: In retrospect, I shouldn't have touched that with a 10-foot pole.

DPH: <<you don't understand, the intial array was too big. I didn't have to add a single cell to an array>>: I did understand. That was the closest thing to that I've ever done. Memory fills up pretty dern fast if you do what I did too. <<be patient with the TGS staff unless you want to start paying us>>: When I am king...

Jan: <<At least that's the brief explanation that my son has given to your problem>>: So you mean to say, then, that you haven't taken on a position at JPL in addition to your new job at the Sherrif's office?

Ravyn: <<Darn it, a Physics question, and I missed it!>>: It wasn't statics.

Sevarius Jr: <<You math geeks frighten and confuse me with your silly numbers>>: Cursed humanities majors. Always breathing my air. Berkeley is supposedly a really good school packed with brilliant people...you'd never know it walking through the south side of campus (where the english/social studies buildings are). But they are better looking, I have to give them that. <<or possibly Tara>>: I hope it is her. My friends are dying that Alison Hannigan is being portrayed as a lesbian. As long as they don't kill Xander it'll be cool. <<I say if the wind did blow this way or that, it wouldn't really be any big loss>>: Would it be a big loss if the fallout wound up in the atmosphere and carried its way over to Washington DC? <<I guess I'll have to carry out my plan to infect the population of Afghanistan with Full Blown AIDS without your help>>: That is the second dumbest idea I've ever heard. <<I got a weird thing for girls who say "aboot.">>: Okay, dude, you and I need to take a trip to Canada. We can stay with my cousin Donna and check out hot Canadian chicks.

Robby: <<On the other hand, our annual upkeep bills on that thing are ridiculous>>: Its the gift that keeps on giving!

Look folks, I'm 20!!!

Absolutely nothing should be concluded from these figures except that no conclusion can be drawn from them.
- Joseph L. Brothers, Linux/PowerPC Project

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, September 20, 2001 04:00:43 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-164.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

DPH- I may not be able to follow the question about a shuttle in Earth's orbit at all, but when it comes to anything Dragonball related, I'm your man! As far as why its easier to destroy the moon than a Daiyin, thats simple. Goku, in were monkey form even as a child, had a power level of round about 1000. (Ozaru, were monkey form increases power by 10 times...) Gohan as a child in were monkey form, had a power of approx. 10,000. Vegeta about 1,800,000. The moon, being a piece of rock with no other life forms on it providing ki, and being a stationary target that doesn't move around, has a power level of less than 100 (about the minimum required to make a fireball and shoot it that far). That answer your questiom? (Unfortunatley, someone or another kept wishing the moon back...) On the other hand, planets full of grass and living creatures have a LOT more energy, millions of ki points, which is why the Genki Dama (spirit bomb) is so effective on the few occassions all of its energy can actually be collected, and why even a powerful character like Frieza, couldn't blow up Namek in a single shot.

French chikening out- Hey, they DID give us the Statue of Liberty! On the other hand, our annual upkeep bills on that thing are ridiculous...

Christine- Becca watched Pokemon all the time eh? Sadly, I probably watch it more and know more about it than she does... I can name the first 151 of the critters without any trouble and all the new ones with visual aids... (I have trouble with the new ones cause I learned the Japanese names on a lot of them first...)
Robby
Thursday, September 20, 2001 03:35:23 AM
IP: ac95353f.ipt.aol.com

SJ> I never said I was opposed to dropping chemical weapons or bio weapons on Afghanastan. I'm for doing what's neccesary. If it's dropping bio or chem weapons... then so be it.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, September 20, 2001 01:05:40 AM
IP: dialin-1090-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

SJ> I never said I was opposed to dropping chemical weapons or bio weapons on Afghanastan. I'm for doing what's neccesary. If it's dropping bio or chem weapons... then so be it.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, September 20, 2001 01:04:45 AM
IP: dialin-1090-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

You math geeks frighten and confuse me with your silly numbers.

Buffy News: This is a bit spoilerish, but here we go -- the word going around is that a major Buffy character will die this season, and unlike Buffy, they WON'T be coming back. And when I say major, that's what I mean. It won't be someone who's a peripheral character, such a Jonathan, and it won't be Giles, who is leaving the show (at least as a regular cast member) but will remain alive and breathing. The info is that this cast member will face a demon in battle, and will ultimately lose. My fear is that it may be Spike, who at this point is probably my favorite character on the program, but I personally say the even money is on Anya, or possibly Tara (who should have died last season at the hands of Glory, it would have made both logical sense and added a great deal of drama to the storyline). If the rumors are true, though, there's going to be one more down for the count.

Biological weapons: Wow, what an outpouring of negative feedback. Personally, I've seen where Afghanistan is located on the map, and frankly, I say if the wind did blow this way or that, it wouldn't really be any big loss.
Oh well, I guess I'll have to carry out my plan to infect the population of Afghanistan with Full Blown AIDS without your help.

Oh, and a post-script on the French is that someone got a hold of the French Pres, gave him a kick in his ass (is that "derrier" in French?), and told him it would be unwise to refuse us aid. Or perhaps the little froggie SOB is familiar with that Kinison bit too. Either way, it would appear as if the French are back on our side. I still say that if you want to make a solid bet, gamble everything that you own in Vegas that the minute things get bloody and we ask for a little help (even something incredibly miniscule), the French roll on us at the first possible instant.


Holden: So, uh, what do you wanna do tonight?
Banky: Mmm, get a pizza, watch "Degrassi Jr. High."
Holden: You got a weird thing for Canadian melodrama.
Banky: I got a weird thing for girls who say "aboot."
----Chasing Amy
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 20, 2001 01:00:34 AM
IP: 66-44-54-186.s186.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Niamhgold > absolutely; off-site backup, that's the way to go! ; )

Warpmind > Becca watches Pokemon all the time, and so I know more about it than I really want. Given that James comes from money and Jessie was so poor her family used to mold food out of snow for dinner, yeah, I never had the notion they were sibs. And this letter came from a self-professed "huge Pokemon fan." Go figure.

Two more nights of work. I can get through this. Two more nights of work.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:42:22 AM
IP: 14-097.075.popsite.net

Darn it, a Physics question, and I missed it! ;) Oh, well... Coyote had me distracted again. ;) **grins and bops Coyote playfully with a pillow** Not that I minded, of course, Coyote m'dear. :) And thanks for the pillow... :)

**whaps Josh and FS with a pillow just for good measure** ;)

Okay, so I'm in a silly mood tonight... :)
Ravyn
Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:41:52 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

FS: I didn't get it from any website. I'm just a genius (and I was using the data from your posts to correct your math).

The way it works is that there is only a certain combination of velocity/angle of approach that will actually LET you re-enter earth's atmosphere. Too shallow and the cumulative forces push you back into space (a.k.a. "skipping"). Too steep and you'll either crunch against the atmosphere or bounce off PAINFULLY (think hitting water at several hundred miles an hour). Just the right combination of speed and angle is required to allow you to dive into the atmosphere at the right time.
Josh
Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:29:37 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-164.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Imzadi: I just guessed the first time. I know that you are technicailly in space at 68 miles... or is it 62?
Bonnieway, I thought that the shuttle was only a little out of the atmosphere. I didn't know they were at 300km, which is 168 miles.

BUT I WAS RIGHT THE SECOND TIME!

What website did you get your info from?

Fire Storm
Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:17:10 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

nevermind...300 km would be 7.796 km/s or 28065 km/hr...
Josh again
Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:06:30 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-164.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

FS: Your math is really off. At 90 km up, the radius of flight is 6490 km, or 40778 km around the earth. To do that in 90 minutes, you'd have to travel 7.55 km/s or 27185 km/h. 27 km/h is something I do on a bike. I don't think I could circle the earth in 90 minutes on a bike.
Josh
Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:04:58 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-164.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

SOme corrections: The shuttle orbits at 300km (90 minute period) and goes 7.73 KM/s, or 27KM/hr.
But you get the idea, right?
Fire Storm
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:41:52 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Imzadi: <Mathematically speaking, though...you'd need a rocket scientist>
Did someone call my name? :)


Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr: <What I need to know is what sort of trajectory would be needed, how would you describe this information, and so forth?>
YEAH! PHYSICS!

Ok, here is the situation: You have an object going pretty darn fast and you want it to buzz the atmosphere of a planet. No problem! Just:
Make sure you only SKIM the atmosphere! Get a basketball and balance a ruler on it. That's pretty much the path you want to take, at least to approach the planet. This will NOT stop you unless you are going pretty slow. In fact, it will give you a gravity assist and speed you up.
If you aim at the ground, you are frelled. (Someone mentioned Farscape!)
You basicailly want to buzz the atmosphere at a course roughly parallel to a ruler laying on the earth's surface (Tangent?) and go no lower than 50 miles or you will most likely burn up.
If you hit the atmospere too fast, you will skip like a stone. Too slow, and the air slows you down enough to get caught in the earth's gravity and you either become a satelite or start to head down farther and farther.

For it to bounce like a stone (no landing), it pretty much has to be going about 3 times the speed of the shuttle in orbit (90 minutes per orbit at about 90 miles about the surface. Do the math yourself! :P (Ok... I think roughly 60KM per hour), which means it cannot be an orbital object. That mofo has to come from at least interplanetary space (like a mission from the moon or Mars), or even a interstellar vehicle.

No matter what, if the ship cannot steer at all, your screwed. If you can adjust the course enough to skim, any crew on that ship is probally dead within a few months anyway, because they will most likely be gravity assisted to way out in space and will be going too fast for anyone to catch up to them.

IF, and this is a REALLY big if, you hit the atmosphere at the right angle (hitting the edge at 50 miles up), going 45KM/Hr, you MAY slow down enough to go through 10 degrees over the earth, then MAYBE you will get thworn towards the moon, and if you can get a slight gravity turn/assist from the moon, you can be thrown back at the earth at a speed where you can either get into a orbit or hit the atmosphere at the right speed and angle to bring you down for a landing.
But you need at least SOME way to steer the ship. No steering, and you are dead, unless you hit the atmosphere uncontrolled at exactly the right speed and angle. But that's nearly impossible.

And I KNOW I have the math around here somewhere...
Fire Storm - [jeremycbcd@usa.net]
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:34:26 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Jan: Yes, but what your son forgot was that there is no friction in the vacuum of space. So in THEORY, the speeds are attainable...we just can't quite get there yet. Or actually...

Hey Stephen, if you used the gravity of the moon as a slingshot (like they did with Apollo 13), you'd be able to get the velocity required to skip. Hell, we've mentioned skipping with other space explorations in the past, so we know its possible. Mathematically speaking, though...you'd need a rocket scientist (and I'm not quite there yet...and I'm guessing Jan's son isn't either).
Josh
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:18:09 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-164.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Stephen> I'd bet the velocity needed to 'bounce' an object of that mass off a surface made of such a low density - like the atmosphere - would be nearly impossible for the object to attain, or would cause the object to disinitgrate due to friction. At least that's the brief explanation that my son has given to your problem. ;)
Jan
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:02:53 PM
IP: modem18-102.mo-net.com

Brooklyn - if you're lurking out there and reading this , you need to send me an email ASAP.

Stephen - hey, didn't they do that on the pilot episode of 'Farscape'?

Green Baron - wait a minute, before calling all Arkansans problems, I can point many fingers at LousyAnna.

Imzadi - you don't understand, the intial array was too big. I didn't have to add a single cell to an array.

**DB/DBZ**
I finally saw the episode where the moon was destroyed. I still can't quite understand why it would be easier to destroy a planet than kill a saiyan.
**END DB/DBZ**

oh yea, here's a parady song I thought of:
**PARODY SONG**
Timedancer is the cycle that will not end
it goes on and on, my friend
The TGS staff started working on, not knowing what it was
and they'll keep working on it forever just because

Timedancer is the cycle that will not end
it goes on and on, my friend.
The TGS staff started working on, not knowing what it was
and they'll keep working on it forever just because
(keep repeating)
**END PARODY SONG**

Seriously, that's not the case. As GXB said, be patient with the TGS staff unless you want to start paying us.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:17:20 PM
IP: max1-44.cwy.cei.net

Stephen: <<question for Josh>>: I'm flattered that you posted that to me. Unfortunately, I don't have the first clue. You'd need a trajectory that's tangential to the earth's curvature at the given point of "skipping". But that's difficult to calculate because (a) the Earth isn't a sphere and (b) the atmosphere isn't a clearly defined border (it actually goes on forever). I guess you could calculate a derivative to the curvature from an approximation...but I don't have such an approximation and it'd have to be pretty damn accurate in such a situation. The heat shield would have to be constantly pointed toward the center of the earth (difficult to maintain) and you have to take into account the rotation and velocity of the earth. Basically, not an experiment I'd recommend. Your space heroes are toast.
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 09:32:36 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-164.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Question for Josh, or someone that knows mathmatics better than I do...

Say you have a ship in orbit (a shuttle, for example), and it's trajectory has taken a bad turn. In fact, its going to smash into the upper atmosphere and burn up if the course goes unadjusted.

Now, say the one way to save the ship (and this is all theoretical, mind you) is to have it "bounce" off the upper atmosphere by changing it's trajectory so that it skims off the uppermost part, much like the way a stone can skip over the water if thrown right.

What I need to know is what sort of trajectory would be needed, how would you describe this information, and so forth?

This is needed for a story I'm close to finishing, and I'd really appreciate the help.

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 08:53:58 PM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

metaldemon: All votes by any of our representatives in the House or Senate are recorded by law.
Now, when they go out and vote for Mayor of their city, that's different. Only their House or Senate votes are made public.
Fire Storm
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 08:30:46 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

** Niamhgold enters **

Okay, it looks like the inertnet has finally reverted back to the internet, and I can actually make a semi-decent post ;) Plus, working from my new monitor (my old one fried, but I'm going to revamp it anyways as a possible second one) is pretty sweet no matter what the import of my online business ;)

In between stuff...let's see, we had crazy firedrills all Sunday morning (I just wanted sleep!). I, once again, got the comment about being the sweet-looking, grotesque-minded girl in illustration (but the piece was successful, hurrah!), played a fun game of pool on Friday, started my job today, bought this new monitor yesterday (and it is NOT FUN shoving a new one into the back seat of a Cutlass Supreme, and having your six-foot tall friend squished into the passenger seat), and have been working.

Good to see that everyone in the CR was okay and unhurt by the recent events. Plus, we should come together in times like this, and it's also good to see that so many lurkers have delurked in light of the incidents. On that same note, to all those asking about TGS--in the wake of everything that has happened, I think that you should be patient in waiting for new eps. I mean, we're on the brink of a possible war and an astronomical slump in the stock market. That stuff always comes first ;) As for the political stuff in general: I don't care about party affiliations right now. All I can hope for is that the prez (or whoever the heck has true control over him) makes decent decisions and no one decides to go into a bout of nuclear war over this. I mean, think about it; would we wage or support nukes or biological weapons if it had been, say, England's political buildings hit? No. So we're just acting on the basis that _we_ were hurt for a change. We can't expect other countries to jump in as angry and vehement as us. No, we can only just hope that our national debt is high enough to keep allies attached...and that's about it.

Vague replies:

Mooncat: You asked about my website, right? Well, normally, it's http://www.geocities.com/fluff_astrid, but right now it's under heavy, heavy construction (I haven't even uploaded the new flash navigation bar yet...), so if there's anything in particular I can email you some low-res reference pics. But my stuff, seriously, isn't all to great in the world of digital art. But thank you so much, nonetheless, for the wonderful comments! It's stuff like that that reassures me my field is for me :)

Josh (Daddy, The Man): Uh, it's been a while since you posted back to me, and since most stuff has been outdated since that reply, I think I'll start anew. I'm sure if there's anything pressing that I haven't answered, you'll let me know ;) <After all that time spent on my mechanics homework last night, I'm still not getting the right answer> Argh, that's way too frustrating. What's the question? Or, at least, what's it about? <"It says no dial tone." "Could that be because Dad's online?"> *L* Silly modem connections ;) <"It says no dial tone." "Could that be because Dad's online?"> When is homework enjoyable? Even when you _do_ get to draw crazy people from comic books...wait, I think I'll just shut up now. <. What's scarier is that the guy who used to drive me to school had that CD and actually PLAYED that song> That might help explain a few things. <A corpse?> Or a servant. Except for me...I'm the nemesis who feeds the corpses to pigs ;) <Dude, 2 million bumpkins could totally overrun your 50k well trained men> Definitely, and especially if they're from NH. Just take away their booze. <Ooh, brilliant idea: LETS CONQUER FRANCE> Well, some would argue that it's better than Portugal... <Its not wide enough.> Oh, so many responses and so little time ;) <Of course, my apartment building is 90 years old and I'll probably die in any earthquake that requires federal funding> I think the desk for your computer should protect you. Or, at the very least, should protect your computer. Just make sure to copy your brain patterns to disk...right, Christine? ;) <<<I survived my big Statics exam today>>: I knew you would> It's hard for Statics to maim and kill. Dynamics, however, has the potential. <...and I got a 93%...that was probably the high moment (no pun intended) of the class> D@mn. <Oh, if its stupid things you're looking for, have I got the state for you...> Delaware, right? You're talking about Delaware?!? <Chris Rock has a serious beef with that compliment> *Lol* <Excuse me, but I need that bridge> But the rest of us don't, and someone stupid probably wants it. <Biological weapons are a last resort weapon. Probably more horrible than nukes> Frickin' NO KIDDING! But in either case, if I know they're about to hit, then I'm (a) *ahem* going to knock down my purity test results by 75 points, and (b) Eat a hampster. Don't ask, dumb bet from 4th grade. But darned if I'll go down a lying weasel! ;) <I wonder if there's any sort of international ban against having a 13 year old wife.> Uh...are you asking this for yourself?

All right, back to work! Photoshop is sweeet...
Adios!
Niamhgold
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 08:18:50 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

TRIGLYCERINE> A few months ago you asked the same question, and now I'll give you the same answer.

We haven't done all six of Greg's spin-offs because we ourselves have limited time. We go to school, have jobs, families, friends. In short, we have lives outside of this, and those lives take precedence.

We also don't get paid for this, so we aren't on anyone else's time. If you want to pay each of us $20,000 to $40,000 a year to do this, then we'll gladly give up some of the other stuff and make this a full time job.

Want to do that? I really wouldn't mind if you did.

Greg Bishansky
Head of Edits
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 07:30:42 PM
IP: dialin-1493-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Why haven't you guys done any of the other spin-offs planned by Weisman like Bad Guys and New Olympians since this seems like a good time for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the world and all the members of the Bad Guys in jail are out and this would be a perfect time for them to be formed right after Madoc and all this weird phenomenon?
Triglycerine
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 07:17:15 PM
IP: 205.213.142.138

How do we know that woman's name who voted against military action? I thought voting was supposed to be private. Besides, being a communist doesn't mean you don't support military action; according to Marx, there must be a revolution for Marxism to be inacted. Unless of course you mean she doesn't want to support America...no, that still doesn't make you a communist:).
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Denton, Tx
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 06:46:09 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

And now we return to normalcy ...sort of...
Or as normal as my life ever gets ...note to you all, if you're ever given the choice of living a dull life over an "interesting" one; take the dull one. You'll be alot happier.
Damn Chinese curses.... So I nearly died on I-95 yesterday as the car in front of me (through a complicated series of events) T-boned the car in front of it. Emergency maneuvering at 80+ MPH is not something that is fun. Fortunately no one was hurt, although there was alot of property damage.
SJ> Biological Weapons> Dude, no. Just no. If we, or any other nation, ever used biological weapons I would hope that the sanctions leveled against them were so severe that they end up in the stone age; I include the US in that list. There are some steps that no nation that considered itself civilized should ever take, no matter to provocation.
Religious Zealotry> Depends on your definition of religious zealotry. Of you mean going and praying to a god every week, or following the tenants of a religion, then most of the world are zealots, especially the US.
If however, you mean crazy fundamentalists... well, they're about as rare as Jerry Falwell. Admittedly, that's from my own research and personal observations of both Israel and Palestine.
Pedophelia> India does that alot too; I guess I'm too much of a cultural relativist to be shocked.
Imzadi et al> Where are you all reading that France is not going to support us? Every report I've been getting says that the French are behind us 100%, not that I don'' think they're just a bunch of chesse-eating surrender-monkeys, but still....(j/k)
Assassinations> Clintion lifted that ban after the Africa bombings. Our last "War on Terrorism". Heh. Showed what good that did. But, hey, I'm all for it. Full-scale war sure as hell isn't going to win the day here, but zapping some terrorists for three miles out would probably but the fear of Powell into them.
Lain> As far as I know there is evidence; quite a bit of it, I think. But more importantly his group is responsible for funneling information, supplies and money between other terrorist networks, as well as training members of many different terrorist cells. Sort of like a one-stop-shop for all your Geneva convention-disdainful, non-state sponsored attacks. (Sorry, I got tired of typing "terrorist")
In other news: Iran and Pakistan have both sealed their boarders with Afghanistan, indicating a withdrawal of support for the nation. I can't wait to se hat the Taliban decides to do about bin Laden. My guess is, they'll agree to turn him over...if only they knew that that wily Saudi was hiding...dammit, he was here just a minute ago...hang on, we'll find him...just give us some time, he couldn't have gone far.
As for that [ adjective deleted] from California that voted against military action...well what do you expect from a communist? Look at her history, her curriculum vite, of you will, and tell me you're not surprised. There's a reason that I say politics is no longer the domain of the best and brightest of society. Kind of a pity that.

Hyperion - [hyperion2justice.com]
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 05:21:36 PM
IP: pool-151-197-32-12.phil.east.verizon.net

*Manages to stammer out a reply to Lain while being shaken violently*

Lain><<like i said, all im looking for is evidence.>> We don't have it. The government, however, DOES have all the info available, and apparently it's strong enough for them to be willing to threaten war over. I'll take their word for it.

Lynati><<RESPOND TO ME, D@MMIT!!>> Gah! Demand, demand... That's all you women ever do! ; ) ...And what the heck was I suposed to respond to? You stealing my pants? Like THAT'S suprising any more... ; )
And my pants aren't evil. It's the SHOES that keep trying to steal my sole... ; )

Imzadi><<Don't say that.>> What? You can't hack my mad style, dawg?

And about France... Right after I read SJ's post about the French hanging us out to dry, I saw the French president(?) and Bush shaking hands and talking about working together to kick a little booty. What's up with that!?

No more work today! I got a near-perfect score on the test I thought I bombed, and so I'm celebrating with a little Love Hina. Cheerio!
Gunjack "The Sooth, The Whole Sooth, and Nothing But the Sooth" Valentine
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 04:36:20 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

: (

mr dressup died..

: (

yggy, i cant believe you actually KNEW him.. a celebrety with your grade school class? youre a celebrety with ME.. *hugs*

sj>> yes, i understand the point that he is the prime suspect but honestly, im not sure if i give him credit for having the brains to "mastermind" the WTC attack. maybe i just dont know him as well as you do but.. thats my impression, anyway.
im sure the likelihood is that he IS guilty, i was just wondering if anyone had any actual EVIDENCE for it that theyd like to share, that HE was the mastermind, and its all his fault and hes a big jerkbastard.. (well, okay, maybe i dont need proof of THAT part..)
and.. uh.. it WAS the nazis that did the more bad stuff than hitler.. sorry to say, i dont think hitler could have done as many horible things on such a large scale if hed been working out of his secret lab in the basement.. he INSPIRED them, fed them propaganda etc but, ultimately, it is an individual's own choice how they act/react.

if, as you say, bin laden is the "mastermind behind these terrorist attacks," who did all the planning etc etc all i was asking for was some evidence, not more of you telling me it was his fault. im getting enough of THAT from cnn..
i think theyre planning on doing something about that "we dont assassinate people" law. maybe.

jannie>> like i said, all im looking for is evidence. it isnt PLAINLY OBVIOUS to me for some reason, that he planned the thing. im just interested in why i missed out on that assumption, not trying to be silly..

okay, back to class
love
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 01:51:51 PM
IP: dgilbert.visual.arts.uwo.ca

GB> That's really terrible. Those poor children.

Don't obsess over your grief, or lack there of. Everyone reacts differently. Sometimes it takes a while. Sometimes you never really shead tears. The mix of fear that it could have been you and the relief that it wasn't can drown out the sadness and regret. It doesn't mean you don't care or that you're not a compassionate person.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 01:17:08 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Hmm ... maybe it's just my sleep-deprived mind (been up since 1:30 this morning) ... but something struck me about Ravyn's post.

**tosses a sack of pillows over his shoulder, handing one to Ravyn and keeping one himself** Here ya go, sweetie. Let's have some fun. :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:56:11 PM
IP: 64.243.214.96

Greetings, Clan. Just last night, my other Clan, 39th Finance, had an awful tragedy. At 2245 German time (1645 EST), military police found the children of SPC Morgan, a friend of mine, dead by drowning. I knew SPC Morgan somewhat and I knew she loved her kids. It does not strike me as a cold-blooded act, but more one of insanity. I don't know all the details. My roommate SPC Jamie Riley served with Morgan in Korea and he is currently guarding her, along with SGT Hall. He also knew and loved her children so this has hit him very hard along with the stress of his job, so I am worried about him. I am also worried about myself, since I was only shaken a little by it and the whole series of events in the us as well as some in my post. I haven't shed too many tears, or felt even a normal level of grief. All I feel is a sense of nausea and grimness. Perhaps I am afraid I am losing my own humanity, and I know a few years ago, that wouldn’t have bothered me in the least. Though mostly, I am worried about my roommate and what would have caused SPC Morgan to kill her kids. It would be easier if it was cold-blooded, but I know her well enough that she was not in her right mind.

Warpmind> Norwegian military standards? Are they the rules of Berserker combat? Actually, if Scandinavian countries formed an elite naval team and called them Berserker Units, which would be cool :)

Lain> <<also, on an interesting (and slightly more disturbing note..) how many of you know that, the day of the WTC disaster, china signed an economic agreement with.. the taleban government?>> The Chinese Government is a giant extortion racket. I'm not surprised. They stood to gain, but I don't know what.

<<the presence of those kinds of political ties and animosities serve to make me very happy that bush hasnt gone bomb-happy yet. i think lots of people think bush is taking too long to retaliate but it was 109 days before the united states attacked tokyo after pearl harbour. yay bush for common sense.>>

Bush is a pragmatist as has been shown by his team. Besides, he picked Colin Powell for Sec of State and like a good President he picks an expert instead of being Mr. Micromanager.

Hyperion> Well, Clinton was a self-serving slime ball. I don't know how he'd have handled these recent attacks. When he was President the Economy was good. It started to go down before he left but Bush will take the blame. I honestly don't care too much. Clinton was a good speaker and definitely not an ideologue, but I have no respect for him and if the Economy was in poor shape, he'd never enjoy his approval ratings. Bush has a chance to prove himself now. He may not have a lot of charisma and he's a lousy public speaker, but he picked Colin Powell and Condi Rice so he's good where it counts. IMO, a mediocre President with a good Cabinet is far better than a good President with a crappy Cabinet.

Greg> Sometimes it is a real trial that can show the true colors of someone. Bush may speak form cue cards, but I don't care, because he made Colin Powell Sec of State.

Assassination ban> Well, then our leaders are fair game. Granted, in this situation the worst thing that could happen is if Colin Powell was killed. He will be the real genius of our victory. He's like Henry Kissinger, only less obnoxious.

Aaron> <<That reminds me of my bro's solution. "They should ban carry-on luggage and make everybody fly naked. Especially the stewardesses. I mean, flight attendants." >> Well, then guns on a plane has a new meaning :)

Patrick Toman> <<What's got me most worried is that I think I'm turning into a Republican. Except I still like hentai.>> Well, Crzy's a Republican. You're in good company.

SJ <<Which leads me to my political editorial for the day>> Now that's the SJ we all know and love.

Well, France wouldn't let us fly over their airsapce to hit Libya, so their embassy was accidentally hit. I don't want France bombed, because there is too much nice stuff. Now, releasing a virus that can only be cured by bathing and women shaving their armpits is fine, but Paris has too much nice stuff in it to risk destroying, like the Louvre, teh Eifel Tower, Notre Dame. I also don't want Normandy or Brittany hit. Nomandy should be given to England and Brittany to Ireland as the people there are Celts.

I think France has been a piece of hore sh*t since that stupid revolution 200 years ago. Bring back the Bourbons!!

Metaldemon7> Well, what they preach scares me, too.

Imzadi> I call God the Father Almighty. Th ePope is a priest so he is also called Father.

<<How about the Egyptian civilization that lasted for centuries? Even though its not around anymore, I'd say it was pretty darn successful.>> There was more inbreeding than a small town in Mississippi :) That's why they had so many dynasties.

<<You won't be in charge of anything when I am king.>> Killjoy. :p

SJ> Biological weapons??? That's very bad. Unless we can send in airborne attacks of diahreea that we have vaccines to, we'd hurt our allies in the North. Beisdes, that could spread. Watch the Omega Man sometime.

Gunjack> BDU killing is bad. A pair costs me $56.00

Jan> God is the Almighty.

Bill got Chelsea soemthing cheesy. His own daughter. They're from Arkansas. It was expected :)

I must go. Good night and God bless



Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:34:14 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

Well I had a fun day yesterday. My Shakespear professor is Jewish, that means on a Jewish holiday the class is cancled. Masseltov!

The bloodmobile came by the campus yesterday, so I waited in line under the hot sun wilting like a flower, thank goodness I had a water bottle with me. Well I bled into the bag until it was one third full and then my blood congealed. They fiddled with the needle for a while , but then they had to take it out. Now I have a huge bruise.

Jannie>>>I heard about that Bitca too, Were you listening to Rush yesterday?

Tommorow After class My whole family and I are going to get on a plane and head towards Waco Texas, the reason? My granparents 50th anniversary, they are going to renew their vows.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:28:28 AM
IP: proxy.ord.netsetter.com

*looks up*
Robby, I think I added you...not entirely sure.
well, if it didn;t work, mine is LynatiKshudra.

maybe this time the "if I stay up all night, I'll fall asleep at a decent hour tommorrow" thing will actually work.
*slumps down*
Lynati
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 03:54:37 AM
IP: kcx-ks22a-11.rasserver.net

Argh!

After all that time spent on my mechanics homework last night, I'm still not getting the right answer. I know my approach is correct...something's just going haywire in those calculations. I wonder if its a unit conversion...

Anyway, I went to class today. That's it. Somewhere along the line I helped my brother out with his machine: "It says no dial tone." "Could that be because Dad's online?"

And there was some homework too...it sucked.

Replies!

FS: <<like south park>>: LOL!

Robby: <<nations of the world song>>: I'm so glad that we post things like that. What's scarier is that the guy who used to drive me to school had that CD and actually PLAYED that song.

David G: <<I paid over $100 for really impractical shoes that I can only wear on special ocassions>>: God, you ARE a woman!

Entity: <<They should be expelled from the alliance>>: What good are they doing there anyway? <<Are you trying to tell me we murdered French people as a way to give the French government the finger>>: And maybe we should stop showering when we go there too!

Aingeal: <<Anyone scared of my and Lyn's hyperactivity yet>>: ::raises hand:: <<now when you try to take over the world I know what to call myself>>: A corpse? <<you ever think of making a career out of it?>>: I guess the necessary answer to that question is: no.

Aaron: <<But are they red and blue?>>: Give me a few minutes...

Baldy: <<they've got an OBLIGATION to help>>: Have they fought anything in the last 100 years? <<I'd rather have a military consisting of 50,000 well-trained career military personnell, than a military consisting of 2,000,000 untrained, disgruntled bumpkins>>: Dude, 2 million bumpkins could totally overrun your 50k well trained men. <<the king of Swaziland has imposed a 5-year ban on sex for all young girls>>: What will you do now? <<if one country turns their back on the agreement like that... up for grabs>>:

Ooh, brilliant idea: LETS CONQUER FRANCE!

SOROW: <<I know when I want nookie when I want it dammit!>>: I have so many witty replies to that...none are CR appropriate. <<and to answer your...strange question, yes he is a junior>>: Ah, so predictable.

Revel: <<SJ vs. Rush Limbaugh>>: I would pay good money for that.

Lain: <<you DIDNT know that the CN tower is really a nuclear silo>>: Its not wide enough.

Moochie: <<Yo, peeps>>: Don't say that. <<no, I'm not wearing smiley-face boxers>>: Too much info.

Lynati: <<RESPOND TO ME, D@MMIT>>: Geez, starved for attention much?

DPH: <<I wrote a really simple program that messed up a computer because it accessed inappropriate memory sectors because I had a large array>>: Ah, I know all about doing that. Telling the computer to add one cell to an array by making new vectors...not good.

Jan: <<ignorance is becoming very annoying>>: Ignorance is bliss...to the ignorant. <<a woman by the name of Barbara Lee from Oakland CA>>: Yup, that's the rep for Berkeley! Sucks, doesn't it. We're just a bunch of f*cking hippies. <<next time an earthquake rocks her city, I vote that no federal funds be sent there to assist them>>: HEY! Oakland, for those of you that are geographically-impaired...is RIGHT NEXT TO BERKELEY! Of course, my apartment building is 90 years old and I'll probably die in any earthquake that requires federal funding. <<*they* voted the winch into office>>: Three guesses as to how I voted in the last election. I probably wasn't even here to vote for her! <<ummm because he's GUILTY!?>>: They're Canadians. Don't bother them with pesky details like the TRUTH. <<Holy Father? as in God?>>: That's what I thought, but apparently he meant the Pope. <<They are consulting the FBI for security at the Academy Awards>>: More importantly, everything from movies to video games is being affected by the attacks. Which really blows. <<God wouldn't cuss either.>>: I cuss all the time. <<God was calmer and more gentle after Jesus was born>>: That whole "father and son being the same entity" thing always bugged me.

Ravyn: <<I survived my big Statics exam today>>: I knew you would. <<I think it actually went quite well>>: Awesome. On our second statics exam, the average was some dismally low (below 50%) grade...and I got a 93%...that was probably the high moment (no pun intended) of the class. <<I at least knew the concept behind each problem>>: 40% of the points come from drawing a free-body diagram and writing down the static equations. <<I have yet to be hit with a pillow>>: ::BASH:: <<Good luck with all that homework>>: Still working on it. And its not getting any easier. <<that a guy from my state decided to be an idiot and kill someone because he "looked Arab.">>: Oh, if its stupid things you're looking for, have I got the state for you... <<as a RHPS virgin>>: It only hurts the first time...

Greg X: <<I'm most impressed by Colan Powell. He's a great speaker>>: Chris Rock has a serious beef with that compliment. <<I wish he were President right now>>: As do many other Americans. Unfortunately, HE doesn't wish he were President. <<So Clinton bought his daughter a bikini, I don't see why it's worth mentioning>>: Because he's a dirty old pervert.

Sevarius, Jr: <<The rest, and forgive me for my stereotyping, fall quite a bit into the definition of religious zealotry>>: You've obviously never actually BEEN to Israel, then. <<I have a bridge in San Francisco that I'd like to sell you>>: Excuse me, but I need that bridge. <<the one we all woke up to on Wensday morning of last week>>: Tuesday? <<The other thing I wish we would do, but I don't think we will, is to seriously consider using biological weapons>>: ARE YOU NUTS!? Do you know what happens when those get into the wind patterns?! Don't even think about that. Biological weapons are a last resort weapon. Probably more horrible than nukes. <<International terrorist madman, AND a pedophile at that>>: I wonder if there's any sort of international ban against having a 13 year old wife.

Yggdrasil: <<Mr. Dressup>>: MR. DRESSUP!? Jeez you Canadians are lame.

Gleeb: <<I don't mean to sound rude or nosie or anything>>: Well you definitely sound rude to me, and I'm not even a TGS writer. Just be thankful there is a TGS at all. The writers are real people, not monkeys chained to typewriters (which, given the time since the last season, could spit out the works of Dr. Seuss). They have lives and stories take time to write. You try spitting out 30 page stories every week.

Going from DOS to Linux is like trading a glider for an F117.
- Lawrence Foard, entropy@world.std.com

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 03:18:40 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-164.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Hi again Everyone,
My thanks to those who answered my question. Now I have one more. I don't mean to sound rude or nosie or anything. I understand the amount of time and effort it must take for those involved to write fanfic as amazing as TGS, but I'm just curious as to what the delay is about. Real world getting in the way? Lack of ideas? What? My thanks again to those of you here that have actually put forth such great effort to create these wonderful stories for Gargoyles fans.
Gleeb! - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
LA, CA, USA
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 01:42:44 AM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

Greetings;

Well this post is for all those Cannuks out there.

We have lost a precious part of our childhood today my friends. Early today Ernie Coombs (a.k.a. Mr. Dressup) succumbed to complications from a stroke suffered on 09/17/01. I think that I speak for any Canadian born in the last thirty years when I say that this represents the death of a small part of my childhood.

We have all had mentors in our lives and early on Ernie was one of mine. He was a friend of our family so early on I got to know the real Mr. Dressup. (In primary school this actually made me a bit of a celebrity) Over the years we moved and slowly lost touch. The last time I spoke with Ernie was in '94. He was a hero of mine and he will be missed. I'll always credit him for some of my success because he taught many of us to express creativity and to use our imagination. (It would shock you to know how often I use it in a lab setting. Some problems logic alone cannot fix.)

I don't know if the show was broadcast outside of Canada but the Mr. Dressup show was and still is a mainstay of Canadian children across this country. It was created by Ernie Coombs, who also worked with Fred Rogers. (Mr. Rogers)

Goodbye Ernie, I know you're with her now.

Goodnight everyone.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:41:54 PM
IP: cr822219-a.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com

Song of the Day: "Giving In" by Adema

<<why are you/we after osama bin laden..............the most i can imagine he participated in would have been "oh, yeah, that sounds like an ok idea." so why are you after HIM?>> Okay, you don't know much about the situation, so I suppose I could see how you feel that way. As it stands, why do we want Bin Laden? Because, as Jannie said, he's guilty. Most likely of planning and ultimately executing this latest attack, but that is almost besides the point. He's the "prime suspect", and we pretty much know that it's him, as every sign in the world points to him, but he's covered his tracks just well enough so that it's a little difficult to 100% confirm that it was him in the span of just a week. BUT, even if the hypothetical proves to be true, and he isn't the one responsible for this attack....we still want him. Because he IS responsible for the bombing of one of our embassies in Africa (in which several hundred people died, not all of them Americans, but still a tragedy) and he's responsible for the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, which killed several of our sailors (thankfully not a large number, but still American lives). So we pretty much know he was responsible for the attacks on the WTC last week, but even if he wasn't, we still want his ass anyway. As for Bin Laden being the enemy....he's Enemy #1. But he isn't the only one. We've got a list, we're checking it twice, and when we find out who's naughty we won't worry about being nice, we'll just drop a goddamn load of bombs on them.

<<i dont think bin laden is particularly the enemy here, i think its his organization. if they just pass over bin laden, some other guy will come along to fill his shoes, so they should be demanding ALL of the terrorists.>> I'm sorry, but that sort of comes across to me as horribly naive. It's almost like saying, "I think it was more the Nazis who did the bad stuff than Hitler." While Bin Laden's men do the grunt work, he's the mastermind. He's the one who's mainly planning these attacks. And yes, even if we take him out, there will be men who succeed him to the "throne" of his little terrorist empire, but of course, you can believe that we've got big red bullseyes painted on them as well. This is what our government means when they say that this upcoming war will be long and hard. Because, at least I hope, we're going to go over there and clean sweep the whole place.

<<im VERY glad bush is trying to get other arab nations on his side, because what the world needs is not a war against the arabs, its a war against terrorism AND, after the war (if it happens) is over, then perhaps good relations will be forged between the US and the arabs (which is IMO, a Good Thing (tm)), and then the arabs wont feel like the US is such a global jerkface, and then this sort of nasty terrorist thing will never happen again!>> It would be a good thing, but perhaps a bit too idealistic, seeing as I'm dead sure that the Arab definition of having good relations with us would mean us screwing over Israel by desisting from supporting them. Which won't happen, if our leaders have any sense at all, because as I've said before, Israel is the only country in the entire Middle East that has anything that even remotely resembles sanity. The rest, and forgive me for my stereotyping, fall quite a bit into the definition of religious zealotry, and that's maybe the most dangerous thing in all of the world.

<<im ALSO glad that arafat is beginning to make sense,>> He has to at this point. Because he's shaking in his boots that we're going to just stop the nonsense and take him out. Or turn our back to Palestine, and sit by while Israel does what it probably should have done years ago and just finish off the PLO for all time. And honestly, it would not surprise me at all if Arafat is on our list of guys we're going to take down, although I believe there are bigger fish to fry for the time being.

And this is just for Galvatron: I know you seem to support Palestine, but you do realize that, even if it was a "minority" who was cheering over our deaths last week, that regardless it did almost irreparable damage to Palestine as a whole? Before last week, they did have sort of a sympathy thing going with them, over the Israel situation, but sympathy goes right out the window when the news is covered with images of Palestinian CHILDREN dancing in the streets and eating candy while thousands lie dead. And if you are convinced that the nation's of the world believe Arafat when he says he's saddened by the attack, than I have a bridge in San Francisco that I'd like to sell you.

Personally, there are two things that I wish the U.S. would do, but I'm not sure if they will. One is to lift the ban on that whole "we don't assassinate people" law, because in our New World, the one we all woke up to on Wensday morning of last week, it just may take us eliminating another country's leader with extreme prejudice. The other thing I wish we would do, but I don't think we will, is to seriously consider using biological weapons. I know we have them, but we're hesistant to use them. If Bin Laden is hiding in the Afghanistan mountains, there's nothing more that I'd like to do than nuke them, but I'd settle for dropping canister after canister of anthrax on him. Take the old Roman war trick of "poisoning the well". If this be war, than go all the way. Regardless of high moral concepts, there is NOTHING that is sacred in war time. This is why I don't fault Americans for killing civilians in the Vietnam War. The Vietnamese used children against us there, and we took out some civilians throughout the campaign as well. Horrible and tragic, yes, but in terms of war, the only time mercy should come into play is when one side has been defeated.

Funniest thing I heard today was that there's either speculation or a rumor that Bin Laden has a 13 year old wife. If that's true, than that's just perfect. International terrorist madman, AND a pedophile at that.


"It is pleasantly comforting to wake up and realize you’ve surrounded yourself with sexual deviants and total dirtbags."
---- Jim Norton
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:14:07 PM
IP: 66-44-70-223.s223.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Gunjack- The Love Hina references would have come from either me or Aaron. I originally saw most of the eps in raw Japanese, so when our animation club, SAAS, had the option to see the first 6 eps subtitled, I urged it to win the votes. Immediatley after watching, it was unanimously decided that "Love Hina is the greatest anime ever!",(Well, its in my top 10 anyway. Slayers, Gargs, Lupin, Trigun, DBZ, Gundam Wing, Berserk, Reboot and Inu-Yasha are the other ones on my list. Outlaw Star, Tenchi OVA, Evangelion, Kodomo No Omocha, Zoids, and Kenshin are all runners up...) because EVERY episode is a hot springs episode! And where else can you find the quote, "Is mass suicide tasty?"

Lynati- Oh, you meant from Aarons ficverse... Well yeah, then it would have to be Pestilence. I thought you meant RL. (We both MST videos, I suppose the connection fits... Of course, our jokes are funny...)

On a similar note, I think you and I needs ta talk. You have an AOL IM account? Mine's "MrNoying".

Warpy- Me? Scary? Thanks. 8) I also know the full lyrics to "Model of a Modern Major General". But with both that and Yakko's World, I have to think about it after the first verse, due to the fact, after reciting the first verse, everyone always believes I know the rest and have heard enough. So the first few lines I'm fine because I get to recite them all the time, but I'm rusty after that...
Robby
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:05:16 PM
IP: ac87e7bc.ipt.aol.com

I agree. Hillary and Chuck do look like they're just doing this for good PR. Also, Bush looks like he's reading off cue-cards. Neither of these three have impressed me.

On the other hand, as I've said before; Giulliani has impressed me and my whole opinion of him has changed. I may not agree with his politics, but he loves his city, and that I trust and respect. I'd like to have another year of him. Pataki is doing well also.

But by far, I'm most impressed by Colan Powell. He's a great speaker, and a great leader. I wish he were President right now.

JAN> So Clinton bought his daughter a bikini, I don't see why it's worth mentioning.
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:52:45 PM
IP: dialin-901-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hey, all! :)

Well, I survived my big Statics exam today! For Josh, and anyone else who's interested, I think it actually went quite well. I at least knew the concept behind each problem, or at least I think I did...which is good. ;) Plus my instructor could've made the test a lot harder than he did. ;)

Hm... pillow fight. Silliness. I have yet to be hit with a pillow. ;)

Robby> I LOVE Yakko's Countries Song!!! :)

Josh> Good luck with all that homework. ;) And as a RHPS virgin...that sounds scary. ;)

SJ> No *way*, FRANCE????? I'm SO surprised! (note dripping sarcasm) ;) <<Hillary, I beg you to take your fat-thighed, I-have-no-ankles carpetbagging ass back to your Senate office, and take your little sycophant with you.>> **laughs hard** Oh, that's good. ;) And I agree with you...Guiliani is *really* doing a great job. :)

Dreamie & Winterwolf> Y'all are cute. Just thought I'd say that. :) <<Glad to see you two have gotten back together.>> Thanks...I am too!!! ;) <<I don't have a good tolerance for alcohol myself.>> Don't worry, I'm sure I don't either. ;) Never been drunk myself, though. And don't really want to be either, unless I've got someone with me that I trust...hey, Coyote, wanna go drinkin'? j/k ;) <<I found it better to see other people drunk then get drunk myself.>> Oh, heck yeah...drunk people are soooo funny. :)

Pokemon rant> Jessie and James are *not* siblings! They *are* extremely cool, though. Just thought I'd share. :)

Well, I'm very ashamed that a guy from my state decided to be an idiot and kill someone because he "looked Arab." How stupid is that? Three students here at the UofA have also decided to quit school here because of threats because they're from the Middle East. Craziness...

Coyote> **huggles tight** Heyas. :)

Okay, that's it for me for tonight...see y'all around! :)
Ravyn - [no longer having Coyote-withdrawl ;)]
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:24:20 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

*is awaken by a phone call* Good morning, Benton County Sheriff's office... ummm.. I mean, hello?

I have completed my 2nd day of work at the sheriff's office and once I become familiar with the paperwork, I know I'm going to enjoy the job even more. It's a bit overwhelming right now with all of the forms, filing, data entry, courthouse rounds, etc.
It's very interesting there and I get to hear all of the latest in crime and justice for the county. hehe

I did not realize how easy it is to file a garnishment on your salary or to have personal property confiscated over a debt dispute in Missouri. This one guy had his truck towed in yesterday but he wasn't upset over it b/c the truck had a blown motor. The paper work said it was a green truck, but the VIN matched the truck and it was brown. Anyway, what the guy had done was switch the tags so that he was driving the good truck.... so, the guy who filed the papers to begin with filed again for this 2nd truck. The police went today to get it and the bum came in and paid his debt ($650). Of course the whole time he's yelling how he's going to be a very rich man because he is going to sue the county and everyone involved. *rolls eyes* Heh, apparently he doesn't realize just how poor the county is these days!
I stood behind him and made faces at the secretary taking care of this guy... he gave us all a great laugh for the day.
They're sneaking drugs into the prisoners, but the jailer figured out how and then with a bribe of a cigarette got one prisoner to confirm her suspicions. (he was being discharged today) The girlfriend of a prisoner was using a fishing pole and attaching the bag of pot to the end of the line and then casting it over the fence into the " outside rec area". The prisoner would then casually pick up the small package while they were strolling around in the yard. When I left tonight, the detectives were getting warrants in place to pay a little visit to the girlfriend - who also happens to be 7 months pregnant. Poor child to be born into that environment. *sais*
A couple who own a large chain motel called and said that they were being threatened. Their family is from India but these people were actually born in England and moved to the states at a young age. *sais* ignorance is becoming very annoying.

I heard on the radio today that ONE person voted against military action... a woman by the name of Barbara Lee from Oakland CA. *blinks* Well, next time an earthquake rocks her city, I vote that no federal funds be sent there to assist them. Hey, *they* voted the winch into office!

lain> <<why are you/we after osama bin laden.>> *shifts eyes side to side* ummm because he's GUILTY!?! We are not going after an established country or government per se, but after the man behind the attacks... the leader of the terrorist attack on the USA. I doubt if he'll be the only one taken down, but he's a nice start. Besides, the government doesn't disclose ALL of their military plans.

Green Baron> Holy Father? as in God?

DPH> Like you, I will follow the predictions of the Bible *nods*

The stock market bounced back a bit today, yes? I only caught a brief moment of the news tonight and I *think* I heard this. I did see where Wal-Mart stock rose quite a bit :) I helped ;) hehe

You know, I realize that we all enjoy the entertainment business and they do offer a talent... but for cripe's sake, I wish they would stop acting like they are going to be the next terrorist's target! They are consulting the FBI for security at the Academy Awards.. as if.... please, give me a break. *rolls eyes*

SJ> kudos on Hilary - I'm not interested in what she has to say nor is this about her. Of course, she's trying to make it all about her. I turn away when I see her on the TV. *gags* I do wonder if the bikini that bill bought for chelsea fits, though. I cannot even begin to imagine what a dad is doing buying his 20 something daughter a bikini. Couldn't he find her a nice necklace or bracelet? geesh.

okie dokie... time to find some clothes for work tomorrow. I still haven't found the boxes that contain my work clothes in. All I have available are summer clothes (shorts and t-shirts) and dresses for church. At least I finally found something besides Nike for shoes!

David> speaking of shoes.. that's really a decent price for those boots! *nods* Heh, my work shoes are around $135 a pair. I only wear SAS shoes ;) I have a pair in every color that they have, except red and I have at least one of each style they offer. *giggles*

Josh> God wouldn't cuss either.
<<Do you really believe that in a few hundred years he changed from being wrathful and vengeful to "kinder, gentler God"? >> yes.... one of the purposes of Jesus. God was calmer and more gentle after Jesus was born.

okie dokie, I'm ready to call it a night. Take care, everyone!
Jan - [janmiller@mo-net.com]
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:19:13 PM
IP: modem17-58.mo-net.com

Hmm. Yahoo is speeding up about posting messages.

1+1=-3

Imzadi - Those robots could take over any universe. The problem is acquiring them. Those robots are only used for defense. If you stretch the definition of defense, yes, they can be used to conquer the world. Fortunately, I can destroy them, but it's damn hard and damn tricky and I'm not sure if I can still destroy the latest versions of those robots. In any event, you have to find your own way there (and I'm not giving out those coordinates) and if you did acquire those robots, I've have to give Wilek the same amount you have. It's really interesting to see those robots battling it out because they can't destroy each other.

My weird theory is some of the most advanced secrets can be bought openly - the information is encoded in MUSIC. The key is you have to have a decryption program and know what information is stored where. Such a program would be quite profitable (the group would make $$$$$ from selling the music) and quite secure. The catch would be using several groups to record the information.

Imzadi - hey, I wrote a really simple program that messed up a computer because it accessed inappropriate memory sectors because I had a large array. That was in an introductory class to C.

Anybody thinking about hitting me with a pillow should be aware that there is no safe to hide. You could find yourself underwater or out in space.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 09:23:12 PM
IP: max1-32.cwy.cei.net

*Gets up, stalk across the room, grabs Gunjack by the shoulders and proceeds to shake him in a semi-psychotic fashion*

RESPOND TO ME, D@MMIT!!

*Releases Gunjack, turns, and stalks out*
Lynati
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 06:27:01 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-110.rasserver.net

*Boogies on into the room, grooving to the Gorillaz "19-2000" video*

Yo, peeps. Just a few quick replies... *Suddenly notices that his pants have been stolen, and has about two seconds to turn red before Lain tackles him*

Lain><<wouldnt it be slightly more fruitful if they were to demand they hand over the members of his organization, AND him? in a big truckload?>> I think the idea is to grab Bin Laden and then squeeze him for info on his organization. And no, I'm not wearing smiley-face boxers. ; )

Aaron><<"Die, evil pants! Die!">> Gah! You killed my BDUs!!! How could you!? <<"They should ban carry-on luggage and make everybody fly naked. Especially the stewardesses. I mean, flight attendants.">> Forty-year-old naked women with bad makeup. Yum. ; P ...Or maybe I just fly on the wrong planes...

And in parting... Who was it that was talking about "Love Hina" awhile back? I found the whole series on the ethernet here, and I'm trying to decide whether or not to watch it.

More later.
Gunjack "Get the Cool Shoe-Shine" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 05:48:00 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

*enters*
Josh: No, I have stolen Gunjy-wunjy’s pants many times before. But this was before I new about the existence of EVIL pants. I will never feel safe again. *pauses, looks at shredded remnants* Correction. I will never feel safe about the presence of evil pants unless Death is around to use the soul crusher-on them. *Hands Death sashimi-combo plate in thanks*

Robby: You know, I can actually HEAR Yakko singing that as I read.
…and from what I’ve heard, it’s Pestilence that’s Beavis. Huh…
*adds quote to list o’things to Mirandize*

Death: Response hazy. Try again later.

Lain: <sj><"skin him alive with a dirty spork" *blink* wouldnt a rusty melon baller be slightly more satisfying> I don’t know about SJ, but they prefer sporks in my continuity. But that’s just because I've been over-exposed to the work of Jhonen Vasquez.
…and Aingeal schnorfed you, too. Don’t be forgetting about her… ;)

Siofra: *ducks under swing from fish-pillow, and tries to retaliate. Slipping in unnoticed pie filling on floor, Lynati falls and winds up flat on her back* Ow…

oh, and this for you, Aaron:
“So, where is Ave, anyway?”
“I sent him to be with his mother.”
“YOU WHAT?!”
“What? He’s in a better place now.”
“…”
heh heh heh. Aah, too much fun, too much fun.
That reminds me, I need to get the other thing typed up and sent to Winterwolf and Dreamie…*waves at them* I’ll try to do that tonight.

*Glances at giant mug blocking doorway, glances at fabric gate, then decides to curl up and work on type-ups in front of the fire-place*

Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 04:55:10 PM
IP: 207.221.70.69

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGLARFFFFFFF!!!!!!! *glares at lyn*.. schnorff ME will ya?! *wets nose and pounces with an extended schnorff.. then finds herself sitting in gunjacks lap and thinks this might not be such a bad idea..*

hey guess what? all the idiots up here decided to join all the idiots everywhere else on this continent and pull a bomb threat.. actually TWO bomb threats yesterday - one at the local international airport and the other.. on campus. yes, that says "on campus." at the GM diesel place (i didnt even know there WAS a GM diesel place, much less what they DO there..) i wonder exactly what kind of a moron would actually DO that?! a really big one, i guess. they didnt find any bombs, so that either means its still there in its suspicious-looking brown-paper-package-with-string, excessive postage, wires and oil stains.. or there never was one in the first place and theyre just feeding from the general fear. either way, i remain officially inimpressed.

hyperion>> re: support in pakistan: oh, well thats always good. better than the alternative, at least. and.. you mean.. you DIDNT know that the CN tower is really a nuclear silo? *tisk tisk* ; )

entity>> yeah.. but for all my past bush-bashing, i must admit i have been fairly (and pleasantly) surprised by the way he is handling the whole thing. while he is following procedure that just about ANYONE with an ounce of brain would follow (with all the political fandangoes etc) i still think hes doing a pretty good job of it. honestly, its got to be a pretty tough job, balancing public opinion and all the diplomatic stuff.. i sure dont envy him..

josh>> i meant how many nuclear powers in that specific area.. and dont forget the part about the nuclear fuel i have in that paperweight on my desk.. it could provide the anual electrical needs for my entire household for an entire year, you know..

sj>> "skin him alive with a dirty spork" *blink* wouldnt a rusty melon baller be slightly more satisfying?
i agree with you about not banning songs. i think people need to have a return to a little bit of normal life.

metaldemon7>> AAAAAAK!!!!!! MORE texans?! yikes... well.. welcome anyways : )

gunjack>> guns that can see around corners>> yes.. coolness.. however, im sure the CANADIAN army doesnt have any.. remember how interested we were in the americans developing pilotless aeroplanes? having been training aeroplane-less pilots for so many years? yeah.. thats us.. oh well, we got spunk and cretien says if yous guys go to war, we is goin too (theyre still showing those scary american-esque recruitment commercials on TV.. with (strangely) the exact number of women as men in them.. i guess the canadian forces is an "equal opportunity employer") aah well, cant win em all.

theres another thing im not understanding about this war thingie that maybe someone could explain.. why are you/we after osama bin laden. maybe cnn is just lousy at covering such things, or ive been staring at art history texts too long and the news too little but.. is there any DIRECT connection between the terrorists and bin laden? i havent seen any reported. ive heard that they had contacts with bin ladens NETWORK, or some of his lackeys, but nothing connecting them to HIM.. the most i can imagine he participated in would have been "oh, yeah, that sounds like an ok idea." so why are you after HIM? what good, exactly, would it do if the taliban was to hand him over? wouldnt it be slightly more fruitful if they were to demand they hand over the members of his organization, AND him? in a big truckload? i dont think bin laden is particularly the enemy here, i think its his organization. if they just pass over bin laden, some other guy will come along to fill his shoes, so they should be demanding ALL of the terrorists.
and the taliban wants to negotiate? guys.. bad idea.. (of course, i think the taliban is a Bad Idea (tm) in general but..) now is NOT the time to be playing politics.. you pass them over FIRST, and THEN the international community considers whether (or hopefully not) you get to be a recognized government. NOT the other way around.. man, some people just dont GET it. the only people who are going to make this into a "holy war" are you guys.. and (sadly) im sure if thats what you want, the US will be glad to comply..

im VERY glad bush is trying to get other arab nations on his side, because what the world needs is not a war against the arabs, its a war against terrorism AND, after the war (if it happens) is over, then perhaps good relations will be forged between the US and the arabs (which is IMO, a Good Thing (tm)), and then the arabs wont feel like the US is such a global jerkface, and then this sort of nasty terrorist thing will never happen again! im ALSO glad that arafat is beginning to make sense, and that israel has stopped with the aggression thing. hopefully, none of the yabos from the PLO will go suicide bomb stuff, and something might actually be accomplished. and huzzah for better international relations..

anyway, that was my question of the day.

love,
lain "what is right is not always popular.. what is popular is not always right" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
up north
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 04:02:46 PM
IP: nova.lib.uwo.ca

Remember what I said about paintings and rain. (looks outside) Damn you Murphy!
I may get away with it this time.

Metaldemon- Hawkwood was okay, it wasn't booming but the actors tried considering they get paid next to nothing or nothing at all. I enjoyed the Bilge Pipes singing and we paid two buck to get John thrown in a cage and forced to sing "I'm a little teapot" to get out. Memories like that are well worth the trip. As for market, everything was overpriced and all I bought was a dragon pendant.

Josh- Happy new year to you too, even though I'm not Jewish, but good day anyway!

SJ- I still think you need your own talk show or radio. SJ vs. Rush Limbaugh real deathmatch.

Hey! Who ruined a perfectly good pair of pants.

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 02:11:59 PM
IP: dynamic-129-120-247-34.dynamic.unt.edu

SJ> *laughs hysterically* Don't worry Dad! I think I'm a big girl now and I know when I want nookie when I want it dammit! Haha, just kidding ;)
Josh> What's your point? He's very nice and to answer your...strange question, yes he is a junior.
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 01:58:31 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

*Warpmind strolls in, pondering peculiar ponderings, for no obvious reason.*

Christine: I thought it was said in the show, or something, that Jessie and James were just working together, not siblings! Őő Hmmm... anyway, better cease these debates here, just to be safe...

SJ: France are chickening out? *Blinks* Far as I understand, they CAN'T DO THAT! If Article 5 comes into effect, they've got an OBLIGATION to help! When the NATO members signed on, Article 5 was a VERY important part of the agreement! (True, it has never been used before, but still, all NATO members are bound to abide by it.) I'm not sure here, but if one country turns their back on the agreement like that... up for grabs?

Gside: Actually, perceptions need not be fragile to become warped; they might have started out malleable instead.

Josh: Yes, Norway has a military. After WWII, it was said "Never more April 9th", which was the day of the German invasion. The Norwegian military in 1940 was a sordid affair, totally unprepared. Today... it is actually even worse, what with the bulk of the military - all branches - being lowly footmen in for a six-month period in their first term of service... without the training to wield the nigh-top-of-the-line military equipment we have here. I'm telling you, once I'm in power, there will be a system of voluntary duty, rather than conscription. I'd rather have a military consisting of 50,000 well-trained career military personnell, than a military consisting of 2,000,000 untrained, disgruntled bumpkins...

Robby: That... song... you are SCARY, dude... ;)

By the way, this little bit of news just reached me...
In an attempt to combat the spreading of AIDS, the king of Swaziland has imposed a 5-year ban on sex for all young girls. Any man found to violate this decree, will suffer the rather big fine of one cow.
Five years... sounds like f*cking misery...

Anyway, that concludes my post. Cheerio.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 01:18:46 PM
IP: mp-217-214-61.daxnet.no

(Wipes the pie off his face and drops a mug the size of a buick in front of the CR door, cutting off Dreamie's escape)

I warned you people.

SJ> The last time the French were at all helpful militarily, America wasn't even a country yet. If you're wanting some 80s nostalgia, click my link, and download "Gods of War", an old Def Leppard song featuring clips of Ronnie and Maggie when we bombed Lebennon. Great song. <<because he's just what NYC needs right now>> Hell yes! Rudy for four more years!

Lynati> <<The scary thing is, I know the answer to this question.>> Well, feel free to share with the room. Don't keep all these people in suspense.

Death: Are you *sure* about the pants?

Gside> <<Drecker style?>> You guessed it.

Josh> <<There's six in the front...>> But are they red and blue?

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 01:17:04 PM
IP: 129.115.236.107

::grins from a perch in the rafters and watches people:: Anyone scared of my and Lyn's hyperactivity yet?
<<Oh, you SO don't wanna take me on in a pillow fight. ::pulls out dual 2x4's (pillows, not timber) and starts doing the nunchaku-thing...::>> mmmhmmmmm ::tries to look scared for Imzy's sake::
<<Sorry, I meant does that group EVER have a conflict of interest. Only trusting those particular 5 people sounds like it could lead to trouble.>> Yes, they have some conflicts of interest, since my rents dont necessarily like my BF and vice versa, Ijust take info and ignore the rest.
<<I'm sorry, has anyone confirmed this?>> Actually I think so.. but i can't recall where I heard it from.
<<No, they're only guerrillas if they're on their home soil. Otherwise they're saboteurs/spies/terrorists.>> Thanks for the enlightenment, now when you try to take over the world I know what to call myself ;)
<<Because the Windows community would be bitching already if it was, I'd have gotten lots of irrelevant emails reminding me why I use a mac.>> That's only if that virus had been released... it could be there, just not out yet. <<No you don't.>> Trust me, you dont want to know the kinda people I know... lets just say my bad taste in men has paid off once... and just that once.
<<Sorry, I just like being contrary.>> i have noticed... you ever think of making a career out of it?

::flops on a rafter and pretends to sleep, knowing that work-time is approaching too fast for comfort....
Aingeal
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:10:08 AM
IP: 207.42.162.178

All responses to SJ:

<<<The country that is pussying out, and looks to be on course to NOT give us any help, is…..France>>> They should be expelled from the alliance.

<<<Well, when the bombs started to fall in the Middle East, well…..we just *accidentally* bombed a French embassy too.>>> Are you trying to tell me we murdered French people as a way to give the French government the finger?

<<<Guiliani is simply AMAZING>>> Dude, I'm sorry, but what does Guiliani or Bush or anyone else have to do to NOT be reveered right now? In a time like this, what could our leaders be doing other than what they are? Someone has attacked our country, and for some reason we're all blown away that our leaders are following the "Book to National Crises."

<<<There's a list of songs going around the radio stations of music that the stations are urged not to play, in wake of the tragedy.>>> I... hate censorship. I just, I loathe it. This kind of thing makes me want to really break something.
Entity
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 09:50:47 AM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Josh>David G: <<Join the club.>> I'm a charter member. <<You paid over $100 for shoes? Are you really a woman?>> Worse yet, I paid over $100 for really impractical shoes that I can only wear on special ocassions. Then again, the shoes I wear to work cost $80, so it's not that far out.

metaldemon7> Hawkwood has been pretty much dead for a year. That's where I got my cool boots, though, so it's not a total loss. The Blarney Brothers are supposed to play once more this year. That's probably the only time I'll go again.

Now if I could just find out where Gordian Knot is playing...
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 09:10:39 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

If Aaron's Butthead, I suppose that makes me Beavis... FIRE! Huh huh, fire's cool.

In any event, due to the impending "world war 3" and considering there are 7 nuclear powers out there, I got to thinking... Just what kinda percentage of the world is that? How many countries have to be involved before its a genuine world war? To be honest, if Afghanistan is the only enemy, that ain't no world war... You want proof? I point you all towards Animaniacs, when Yakko sang of all the nations of the world. (And yes, I do have this memorized... I got some nice extra credit for doing this in geography class a few years back, and as I general rule I like learning unwieldy songs that sound more impressive than they actually are, which is why I also know all of Model of a Modern Major General... And once again I'm up entirely too late with nothing better to do...)

*Robby walks out wearing brown baggy pants, holding a pointer, and has a large map of the world behind him, and clears his throat*

United States, Canada, Mexico, Panama
Haiti, Jamaica, Peru,
Republic Dominican, Cuba, Carribean
Greenland, El Salvador too.
Puerto Rico, Columbia, Venezuela
Honduras, Guyana, and still,
Guatemala, Bolivia, then Argentina
And Ecuador, Chile, Brazil.
Costa Rica, Belize, Nicaragua, Bermuda
Bahamas, Tobago, San Juan,
Paraguay, Uruguay, Surinam
And French Guiana, Barbados, and Guam.
Norway, and Sweden, and Iceland, and Finland
And Germany now one piece,
Switzerland, Austria, Czechoslovakia
Italy, Turkey, and Greece.
Poland, Romania, Scotland, Albania
Ireland, Russia, Oman,
Bulgaria, Saudi Arabia
Hungary, Cyprus, Iraq, and Iran.
There's Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan
Both Yemens, Kuwait, and Bahrain,
The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, and Portugal
France, England, Denmark, and Spain.
India, Pakistan, Burma, Afghanistan
Thailand, Nepal, and Bhutan,
Kampuchea, Malaysia, then Bangladesh Asia
And China, Korea, Japan!
Mongolia, Laos, and Tibet, Indonesia
The Philippine Islands, Taiwan,
Sri Lanka, New Guinea, Sumatra, New Zealand
Then Borneo, and Vietnam.
Tunisia, Morocco, Uganda, Angola
Zimbabwe, Djibouti, Botswana,
Mozambique, Zambia, Swaziland, Gambia
Guinea, Algeria, Ghana
Burundi, Lesotho, and Malawi, Togo
The Spanish Sahara is gone,
Niger, Nigeria, Chad, and Liberia
Egypt, Benin, and Gabon.
Tanzania, Somalia, Kenya, and Mali
Sierra Leone, and Algiers,
Dahomey, Namibia, Senegal, Libya
Cameroon, Congo, Zaire.
Ethiopia, Guinea-Bissau, Madagascar
Rwanda, Mahore, and Cayman,
Hong Kong, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Yugoslavia...
Crete, Mauritania
Then Transylviania,Monaco, Liechtenstein, Malta, and Palestine, Fiji, Australia, Sudan.

Something to think about when considering where Afghanistan fits in the grand scheme of things...
Robby
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 04:57:07 AM
IP: ac951396.ipt.aol.com

Imzadi: <Really now? And how would you generate such a thing?>
It's like South Park

Step 1: Realize that we need a EMP weapon
Step 2: ...
Step 3: EMP them all to hell!

(NOTE: In South Park, it's:
Step 1: Steal Under Pants
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Make lots of money!)
Fire Storm
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 04:32:17 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

L'Shana Tova!

And HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Long day today. Classes started bright and early at 10AM. From 12-2 classes were cancelled for the memorial service they held. I skipped it to go to the south side of campus and do some errands (sent stuff home, went to the bank), then I went home and ate lunch and fixed up my Stat homework, all before my next class at 2!

Took a rediculously easy quiz on vectors in Math, then it was off to a 1 1/2 hour meeting with my TA for CE130 to go over the homework (its rarely good to sit down to do an assignment and not have a single clue how to do any of the problems). We looked at all the problems and I got a good idea of how to start...but now I'm stuck elsewhere on the problems. Gotta go back and see her again...so much effort just to get everything finished by Thursday.

Of course, I'm gonna wind up doing my CE100 homework on Thursday because that's when office hours are (and that one is giving me trouble as well)...and I REALLY don't want to have to do homework on Thursday.

I did work pretty much all afternoon and evening.

That was my extra charming day.

Anyway, on to replies!

Lynati: <<My CD's are missing>>: SUCK! I have about 200 CD's, which either represent a considerable investment in time or money (or both!). <<uses a "summon pants" spell>>: Can we add an "ie" to that and make it a "summon panties" spell? I could really use one of those... <<suddenly realizes what she is holding, screams>>: Prude.

Mandolin: <<I'm really starting to worry about crazy people here>>: It really pays to worry about us, too.

Siofra: <<Geez, slow day much?>>: Yes, its called 9AM Pacific.

Anonymous: <<...>>: A profound statement if ever I heard one.

David G: <<Most of what's going through my head is best not shared>>: Join the club. <<They were only $105.00 I was amazed>>: You paid over $100 for shoes? Are you really a woman? <<Who needs to eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom>>: No self-respecting programmer.

Revel: <<I have classes till nine tonight. Could be worse>>: Jeez, how?! <<if you drop something while working on an engine it will always fall to the center of the car. It's true>>: Of course. Where else would it fall?

Aingeal: <<whaps Imzy with pillow>>: Oh, you SO don't wanna take me on in a pillow fight. ::pulls out dual 2x4's (pillows, not timber) and starts doing the nunchaku-thing...:: <<HUH?>>: Sorry, I meant does that group EVER have a conflict of interest. Only trusting those particular 5 people sounds like it could lead to trouble. <<the pentagon was a mistake>>: I'm sorry, has anyone confirmed this? <<notice that in war they aren't terrorists anymore, they're guerrillas>>: No, they're only guerrillas if they're on their home soil. Otherwise they're saboteurs/spies/terrorists. <<how do you know that virus isnt out there>>: Because the Windows community would be bitching already if it was, I'd have gotten lots of irrelevant emails reminding me why I use a mac. <<I konw of people that could prolly take out the US in a matter of hours to minutes prolly>>: No you don't. <<there's a new bomb out that will fry all electronics and leave us in the dark>>: No there isn't. Sorry, I just like being contrary. <<i'll keep that in mind next time I trust my brother's stuff>>: I rarely trust anything from my bro.

GB: <<Our country is decadent>>: That's why I love it! <<Sometimes I think if America were not disturbed long enough, it would fall like Rome did>>: Lets just hope no one else figures that out. <<It seems with the New Testament, a kinder, Gentler God exists, who is not as harsh>>: God is an immortal older than time itself. Do you really believe that in a few hundred years he changed from being wrathful and vengeful to "kinder, gentler God"? <<Nothing like a mother's love to make the strict and stern Yahweh change into Jesus, more of a loving teacher>>: Or perhaps nothing like a virgin to make God calm down...proof he is male. <<I'm waiting for Pistoff and Crzy to hold hands and sing "We are the World">>: Hmmm...and then the apocalypse comes for sure. <<Puking in his bed is better than waking up in it one morning to later tell your dad you'll carry on the family name>>: LOL. <<everyone boarding a plane will be forced to strip off their clothes and get full body cavity searches>>: I'll take the bus...anywhere. <<I can't picture the Pope cursing>>: Sorry, I thought you meant God. <<Name a succesful theocracy>>: How about the Egyptian civilization that lasted for centuries? Even though its not around anymore, I'd say it was pretty darn successful. <<I think we are coddled and it is worse than nay form of abuse>>: Don't speak about things about which you know nothing. There are MANY worse forms of abuse. <<I regard her coddling as a daily castration. What a lovely opinion of my own mother>>: Doesn't beat mine. <<His loss, though he is already a billionaire>>: Then he has nothing to lose by sticking to the current scenario, and everything to lose by changing. <<I'd rather profit from the empowerment of people than their misery>>: You won't be in charge of anything when I am king.

Baldy: <<let us pray that the monkey wasn't involved>>: "I, Mojo, am your daddy. It is Mojo, myself, who is your daddy, and no other is your daddy." <<if they set standards for the nutcases they'll accept>>: You mean like any other army? <<*Norwegian* military standards>>: Norway has military standards? Norway has a MILITARY!?

Joanne: <<when seson 4 will be out>>: Never.

Lain: <<how many nuclear powers is that? 4?>>: USA, China, England, France, India, Pakistan, and all those stupid little Russian states.

Hyperion: <<handful of suspected nuclear powers including China, Iran, Iraq and Israel>>: China is not "suspected". They parade ICBM's in Beijing. <<the Us is considering lifting the ban on assassination>>: And then the fun begins. <<I think it was because Clinton hated the military>>: I always wondered what it meant to have a president with no military service record...now I know. <<if that isn't "Wag the dog">>: I remember that! <<such an interesting time to be alive>>: Or dangerous.

Greg X: <<Today, most of the TV Stations resumed their regular scheduals>>: Thank god. I miss my real TV! <<it shows the terrorists that we won't let them destroy our way of life>>: There's 270 million of us. Do you have any idea how much work it would take to make every one of us stop being couch potatoes? <<Can't wait to see the fireworks begin>>: The question is will we know if its new footage or footage from Persian Gulf? <<I look forward to when you go back to hating me also>>: LOL. <<I think you're a pain in the ass>>: I don't want to know how SJ gets in your ass. <<Breakdowns for the fourth season of TGS will begin soon>>: Liar. Its never coming. <<"Timedancer" will be premering sometime this fall to my best estimate>>: Fall starts in just a few days! That's probably not coming either. <<After that, we have a surprise for everyone>>: No you don't. Because something can't happen after "never". <<I'm all in favor of lifting the ban to assassinate terrorists and other individuals who pose a threat to us>>: I'm shocked that you would have these views.

Moochie: <<Do you mean a gun that can SEE around corners (with a camera/scope that feeds to a display over one of the soldier's eyes), or a gun that fires bullets that can go around corners>>: No. This was an article about a gun that fires bullets around corners. Yes, I am familiar with the current weapons technology in a variety of fields (though not sidearms).

Aaron: <<Having Moochie's pants on my face makes me feel like such a butthead>>: ROFL! <<All of you behave, or I'll MUG you>>: No! Anything but a Multi-User Game! <<Not unless you have a shiny lightbar on your car>>: There's six in the front... <<Especially the stewardesses. I mean, flight attendants>>: Only if they go back to being called "stewardesses" and go back to being all female.

Patrick Toman: <<What's got me most worried is that I think I'm turning into a Republican>>: It doesn't hurt that much. <<Except I still like hentai>>: That's alright. SJ and I do too, and we're republicans. <<my years of service as taxi driver for my youngest sister (age 22) are now over>>: That should have happened LONG ago. I stopped being a chaffeur for Alex when I left the house. <<After three tries>>: Women drivers, no survivors. I pity the Cleveland drivers. <<so that you may give a wide berth should you see her in traffic>>: I'm in Berkeley and I'm gonna give her a wide berth.

Dreamie and Winterwolf: You two have to stop posting together before I either gag or go really crazy. <<I don't have a good tolerance for alcohol myself>>: I assume that's Dreamie, since she weighs 43 lbs. <<I found it better to see other people drunk then get drunk myself>>: Drunk people are funny. <<Now who's been mugged>>: No, creamed!

DPH: <<they're from that overly technologically advanced universe.>>: Can they help me take over the world? <<I won't tell anyone about my wierd theory about government and recording industry. I challenge anyone to prove me false on that theory>>: Its hard to prove the theory false when you won't tell us what it is.

Gleeb: <<I stopped in to see what new chapters have been added to discover that NOTHING has been updated in months>>: Depressing, isn't it?

SOROW: <<glares at Josh>>: WHAT?! Why are you staring at me like that?! <<I'm going out with that guy again>>: He wouldn't, by chance, be a junior, would he? <<he said that he was happy to be a part of my first drinking experience>>: Translation "I didn't get a chance to take advantage of you because you were puking on my bed, but I'd like to try again." <<I think it's sweet>>: What's it like being a stereotypical freshman girl?

Smut Pandering Bitch Queen of All Creation: I think I'm gonna have to abbreviate that to SPBQAC. <<froma strictly scientific and psychological perspective>>: No, I was just thinking about from the perspective of the bad guys.

Sevarius Jr: <<The stock market took a big hit today>>: It'll be back. In the long run, it always comes back. <<I don't think they (the Chinese) are dumb enough to get involved in a war with us>>: MAD kept us at peace through the whole cold war. <<Can you guess who?>>: I totally guessed France before I read any further. <<Aren't you just SOOOOOOO astounded>>: Shocked and appalled. <<who would have EVER thought that they would cave in>>: Hitler. <<If it wasn't for us, they'd be eating sauerkraut instead croissants>>: But would they start showering? <<who's national flag is all white>>: I thought it was red white and blue. <<if France doesn't help us>>: I'm sure our alliance will crumble. I mean, how can we possibly survive without their vast military prowess?! <<We made Khadaffi our bitch>>: Kinky. <<we just *accidentally* bombed a French embassy too>>: Dontcha just hate it when that hapens? <<maybe if the French refuse to help us this time around, perhaps a few of our bombs may go astray again>>: I think the fumes wafting up from the unshowered masses caused us to drop those bombs during the Kadaffi runs. <<GET YOUR ASSES OFF OF MY TV SCREEN>>: We can only pray. <<STOP WITH THE F!CKING TRIBUTE SONGS>>: I love having 60 GB of MP3's...no radio EVER. No commercials. No tribute songs. <<I'm burnt out on Live's "Lightning Crashes">>: But its such a cool song! <<I will skin him alive with a dirty spork>>: Could you please do that anyway? <<Rage Against The Machine songs are not recommended>>: Ya know, as much as I hate their music, I can't condone that kind of behavior from rock stations. <<what a horrible world we would be living in if that were the case>>: I'd commit suicide. You? <<That would explain the feature article on Gundams>>: My roomate thought that was one of the funniest things he'd ever heard (the Gundams comment). <<comments to SOROW>>: I pity your future daughter. Though if you really are me, you won't be breeding either. <<And remember your curfew! It's a privilege, not a right>>: No, a privilege would be having no curfew. Curfew is a punishment. For what, I'm not sure.

Gside: Look, you posted to someone else! <<I found out I don't really have to show up to one of my labs>>: I've had a few classes like that in the last couple years. They rock. <<it's matlab again>>: If you need help let me know. I got an A+ in MATLAB. <<My father walked out of the third day of Woodstock>>: Cool! <<You mean this isn't a daily riutal for everyone?>>: Weekly...at midnight...on saturday. <<When it comes to dwarves, apparently you are.>>: NOOOOOO! <<They had to have been fragile at some time, before they were warped>>: No they didn't. Wood doesn't have to be. <<EMP with no boom>>: Really now? And how would you generate such a thing?

Okay gotta be up early to meet with my TA. See ya'll tomorrow.

When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".
- Linus Torvalds

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 03:32:24 AM
IP: c852362-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com

SJ> Just wanted to reply to your quick comment about Rage Against The Machine. Zack, the singer, has left the band because of this irony and is now in South America (so I heard last) helping the opressed. At least the guy is true to what he preached.
Metaldemon7 - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 02:18:42 AM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Today I saw a picture of a neon sign of Leda and the swan. Scary.

Oh, and I found out I don't really have to show up to one of my labs. Only to hand in assignments. Or ask questions, should the need arise. And it's matlab again.

Fire Storm> <<How about next time giving us the James Marshall Hendrix version of the National Anthum?>>: I don't know. My father walked out of the third day of Woodstock, and I've been kind of keeping up the tradition.

Imzadi> <<he had to, uh...fake...on stage>>: You mean this isn't a daily riutal for everyone? No wonder the Mason Gross people look at me weird.
<<Ditto>>: But I'd be right on the border.
<<I'm never wrong>>: When it comes to dwarves, apparently you are.
<<What fragile perceptions?>>: They had to have been fragile at some time, before they were warped.

Aingeal> <<Not to mention there's a new bomb out that will fry all electronics and leave us in the dark>>: EMP with no boom (or a small boom). Fun.

Aaron> <<All of you behave, or I'll MUG you>>: Drecker style?

Welcome Metaldemon.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 02:12:40 AM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

*enters again*
Yeesh. we are off the ball...understandably so.
Anybody know where the jar for spare sanity is?
Ah, well.
Welcome to the room anyway, Metaldemon7.
...yet another Texas gargfan. how many is that now?

Winterwolf: <Aaron> <You're Butthead? So who's Beavis?> The scary thing is, I know the answer to this question.

Gleeb: Hey, I vagueley remember you from the archives...as for Timedancer, scroll down this page and read Greg Bishansky's reply to joanne on Monday, September 17, 2001 04:33:35 PM.

*turns to chibi-Death* "...No, THOSE pants weren't evil, either."
*goes and sits in a bean bag chair to contemplate her navel in lieu of sleeping.*
Lynati "now that I've been here for over a year" Kshudra
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 02:01:27 AM
IP: 207.94.232.56

Well, here we are, almost a week after the tragedies, and not a lot of new news to report. They haven't pulled out any more survivors in the past few days, and unfortunately, I doubt they will at all. The stock market took a big hit today, as of course people are just thinking about themselves and not about the economy. And on the (potential) war front, Pakistan has ordered the Taliban to give up Bin Laden within 72 hours. Of course, I don't trust Pakistan either, but this, along with their giving in to our 'requests', suggests to me that maybe the Pakistanis thought it would best to try and get on our good side, cause any missiles we send over to Afghanistan could easily just, oh, accidentally find their way south and hit them instead. As for the possibility of a nuclear war with everyone, I don't quite think that is likely. Not impossible, of course, but even with a wild card like China, I don't think they (the Chinese) are dumb enough to get involved in a war with us, at least at this point in time, when it would just be easier to let us kill a few Arabs and go home happy.

However, something of consequence did happen in Europe today, in regards to NATO. One of the NATO countries now seems to be backing out of helping us in the conflict that is to come. Can you guess who? When I heard, I was astounded. Cause it's THE MOST SHOCKING NEWS IN THE WORLD. Are you sitting down? The country that is pussying out, and looks to be on course to NOT give us any help, is…..France. Aren't you just SOOOOOOO astounded? Gee, who would have EVER thought that they would cave in?

Seriously, does this surprise anyone here in the States? That the little froggie bastards again are being pussies? They only bent over and let Hitler have his way with them in World War 2. Only hundreds (maybe thousands, it's been a while since I saw Saving Private Ryan) of Americans got butchered on their Nazi occupied beaches. If it wasn't for us, they'd be eating sauerkraut instead croissants. So it's not like we should expect them to help us at all in the future. Then again, what can you expect from a country who's national bird is the chicken, and who's national flag is all white.

So, if France doesn't help us, perhaps we should have a replay of the whole mess with Khadaffi back in the 80s. Anyone remember that? Some of the older folks probably do. Yeah, Khadaffi, who I believe was in Lebanon (someone correct me if I'm wrong), shot some missiles at a U.S. jet, so good ol' Reagan bombed the hell out of him, an in the process killed Khadaffi's daughter (for those who think this upcoming war is foolish and won't be that effective, Khadaffi is a good example, because after we bombed him, HE SHUT HIS MOUTH UP. We made Khadaffi our bitch.). Well, on our way to bomb the hell out of him, we wanted to land in France, to rest. The French, a nation of sissy boys if there ever was one, refused that request, wanting no part of our bombing run. Well, when the bombs started to fall in the Middle East, well…..we just *accidentally* bombed a French embassy too. Oops. This, of course, led to a classic Sam Kinison bit ("We bombed Lebanon. But we made one small mistake, we accidentally bombed the French embassy. Well, maybe that wouldn't have happened if we had gotten SOME F!CKING SLEEP!!! BUILD A NEW HOUSE YOU F!CKS!!!!!!"). So maybe if the French refuse to help us this time around, perhaps a few of our bombs may go astray again.

Back in New York City, everyone is still working very, very hard. Governor Pataki has been doing a fabulous job. Guiliani is simply AMAZING, and there's a proposal out now, a serious one, that would allow him to remain as mayor for another year. I hope they pass it, because he's just what NYC needs right now. God, no matter what your political affiliation is, you can't deny that that man is a damn good public servant and he not only loves his job but he busts his ass doing it. I can only hope that, when he does leave the mayor's office, he seeks other political office, cause we need more people like him.

Which leads me to my political editorial for the day. A note to Hillary Clinton, and her wife (yes, that's right) Chuck Schumer: GET YOUR ASSES OFF OF MY TV SCREEN. Quit pretending like you care about what's going down. You are not Pataki, and thank God, you are no Guiliani. Quit with your disgusting photo opts, and quit giving interviews to the press to increase your pub, cause you don't know sh!t about cleaning up this mess, you're just out there to increase your own public image. So Hillary, I beg you to take your fat-thighed, I-have-no-ankles carpetbagging ass back to your Senate office, and take your little sycophant with you.

Now for my other rant of the day, to the radio stations of America: STOP WITH THE F!CKING TRIBUTE SONGS. There is nothing quite as distasteful in our culture as the tribute song. You know them. You hear them on the radio after every major tragedy, and you're getting them now. To every promotions director in every radio station in the country, I urge you to cut the crap. Is this a horrible tragedy? Absolutely, one of the worst to ever befall this country. It's sad enough. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR A SAD GODDAMN SONG, SPLICED TOGETHER WITH NEWS BITS, OKAY??? It's disgusting. They'll take a song like REM's "Everybody Hurts", a song so goddamn depressing that you want to slit your wrists to it even on a good day, and then they'll splice in bits of people crying and crap like that. I don't want to hear them. They are repulsive. I don't want to hear anymore of that awful Celine Dion Titanic song, I don't want to hear any REM (ever, actually, please stop playing them altogether), I'm burnt out on Live's "Lightning Crashes", and if Elton John thinks of dusting off "Candle in the Wind" one more time, I will skin him alive with a dirty spork.

But the really ironic thing is, that while the tribute songs flourish, the real music is being pulled from the radio. There's a list of songs going around the radio stations of music that the stations are urged not to play, in wake of the tragedy. Some of the stuff I can understand: for instance, Rage Against The Machine songs are not recommended, and I see why that's the case, seeing as almost all of their music is about how evil and awful capitalist America is (the wonderful irony there is that evil, capitalist America has made RATM very, very rich). But some of the stuff that they want censored is just bizarre. For example: Stone Temple Pilot's "Big Bang Baby". What, people are going to hear the song and picture planes exploding into buildings? Another one: Van Halen's "Jump". No one is going to listen to "Diamond" David Lee Roth and think about the WTC. Even if people did jump to their deaths. I honestly don't think people will be making those connections.
If I was in the mood for conspiracy theories, I would say that this was just one big scheme by the radio stations to ensure that every song played on the airwaves is by either N*Sync, Backstreet Boyz, Britney, Christina, or Moby. And what a horrible world we would be living in if that were the case.

Josh: <<The magazine is largely funded by the government as a propaganda machine to make other countries think we're more advanced than we are.>> That would explain the feature article on Gundams.

SOROW: <<I'm going out with that guy again!>> Who is this boy? Do I know him? Have I met him? What's his family like? Does he get good grades? What are his future employment aspirations? I don't know how I feel about you going out with this strange boy who's bed you pucked on. But I can tell you one thing, you're not going to meet him in that outfit, young lady. You wear something more respectable. What did you say? Don't use that tone of voice with me! Go upstairs and change right now! Do you want me to call your father in here? Enough of the attitude from you. *sobs* I wouldn't be this way if I didn't care about you so much! Now I'm going to be worried sick until you get home. Give me a call when you get to where you're going. And remember your curfew! It's a privilege, not a right!!!

Niamghold: <<Bad news, folks, based on the movie Big Trouble...it's either going to be suspended release or not released at all due to its subject matter.>> It's not going to be released until next year. Ouch. Delayed for at least 3 months. Now all we're stuck with at the box office is a bad Keanu Reeves movie (yes, I know the joke, they're all bad). Yet another reason to hate the terrorists.
Seriously, though, Hollywood is going a little crazy. I'm hearing wild stuff about them just yanking anything to do with terrorists, or anything remotely involving the twin towers. It's okay, people, we're a strong nation, we're not going to curl into the fetal position and cry over seeing the WTC in a movie.

Robby: <<Powerpuff Girls porn.>> My god. And I thought Urotsokudoji was pretty sick stuff. That's both bizarre and disturbing, all in one big nasty sandwich.

"I think that they just hate us because we don't ride animals, and we don't believe in clitoral circumcision."
--- Jim Norton, on why the Islamic fundamentalists don't like us

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 01:39:15 AM
IP: 66-44-54-18.s18.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Josh > admirable? Well, okay, from a strictly scientific and psychological perspective, agreed. Brainwashing done right. Huzzah.

Warpmind > hey, I _still_ puzzle over the letter I got asking for a naughty Pokemon story "except with no incest between Jessie and James." Needless to say, I politely declined.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:15:50 AM
IP: 02-070.075.popsite.net

Hey everyone! I have more good news for those of you who are making fun of me throwing up when drunk (glares at Josh). I'm going out with that guy again! Apparently, he said that he was happy to be a part of my first drinking experience. Whatever that means, I think it's sweet. Though I won't get drunk this time, it'll be exciting!
SOROW
Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:02:22 AM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Hi, I'm new to this room; I post in S8, but I figure I'd venture into this room.
Revel> Hawkwood! Just out of curiosity, was it really dead when you went? I went on Labor day and there was absolutley no one there. I vowed never to go back.:)
metaldemon7 - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Denton, tx
Monday, September 17, 2001 11:58:59 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Hey everyone!
I doubt any of you remember me, I've been gone for a long while and I never really came in here that often to begin with. Anyway, I stopped in to see what new chapters have been added to discover that NOTHING has been updated in months. Sorry for being totally out of the loop, but I'd read somewhere a while back that the new season of Timedancer was supposed to begin again, with the season premiere at the Gathering (yeah.. been gone *that* long). I guess this has been explained 100 times over already, but could someone tell me what's goin' on? Are there going to be any new chapters soon? Thanks!
Gleeb! - [hocoz@hotmail.com]
Monday, September 17, 2001 10:33:28 PM
IP: cx800287-a.dnpt1.occa.home.com

**Four security robots head to the CR. Suddenly, several nuclear bombs are dropped in their vicinity. The robots just shrug their shoulders and decide to wait for the bombs to fall. The bombs fall, leaving massive radioactivity. Fortunately, the robots enter the CR, unharmed and prepare to secure the area. They quickly the area. A portal opens and DPH walks out carrying his checkbook. Someone approaches DPH and is quickly vaporized.**

Sorry about that, but one never can be too carefull. That's what the security robots are for. Yep, they're from that overly technologically advanced universe.

Imzadi - send a private email.

Popular Mechanics is a front? I won't tell anyone about my wierd theory about government and recording industry. I challenge anyone to prove me false on that theory.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, September 17, 2001 09:52:24 PM
IP: max1-23.cwy.cei.net

A friendly hello to everyone here from Dreamie and Winterwolf.

Coyote and Ravyn> Glad to see you two have gotten back together. And congrats on the new place Coyote. :)

Caliope> **HUGZ** <You seem to know japanese, have you taken lessons too?> Nah, that's all from having a best friend from freshman year of high school that is Japanese and picking up words he says to his parents as well as watching subtitled anime. <congrats on your the little nephew> Thanks. He's fun! I just have to watch out when he goes into I'm hungry must have breast milk mode. ~_^ <PR and travel brochure contenders> Hey you can beat all the contenders! After all there's only one Cali and you're in PR. So it's an automatic win! ^_^

SOROW> <drunk> **HUG** I don't have a good tolerance for alcohol myself. I also had my own share of bad ideas in college. I found it better to see other people drunk then get drunk myself. Course that's just me. Still be careful. I would be crushed if anything happened to you. **Dreamie and Winterwolf give you a HUG**

Not so random random silliness.

Aingeal> I've been bopped twice! Dreamie passes Winterwolf an oversized brown catfish pillow, tickles under his chin and winks** **Winterwolf sneaks up on Aingeal and bops her with the tail** :::Dreamie then dons a blue pointed hat and conjures a magical legged tickling feather a-la fantasia, setting it after Aingeal::: Gotcha back! ;P

Aaron> <butthead> You're Butthead? So who's Beavis? ^_^ <All of you behave, or I'll MUG you> :::Dreamie grins and flings a pie at Aaron, it smacks him on the side of the face with a SPLAT::: :::Winterwolf walks up to him scooping some of the messy substance off::: Mmmm... Banana Cream. Now who's been mugged? ;)
:::Both giggle and run:::

Dreamie and Winterwolf
Monday, September 17, 2001 09:35:33 PM
IP: pool-141-155-117-166.ny5030.east.verizon.net

SJ > That you aren't arguing with me and Crzy anymore isnt even even the weirdest thing. What's got me most worried is that I think I'm turning into a Republican. Except I still like hentai.

On a related note... I've decided to forge ahead with my travel plans to Los Angeles in early October, contingent on nothing else major happening to interfere and the flights I booked not being among the 20% service cuts that Continental is implementing.

And in a bit of "life goes on" news... it's with great pleasure that I report that my years of service as taxi driver for my youngest sister (age 22) are now over. After three tries, she finally passed her driver's license road exam, and tonight we found a nice 1990 tan Honda Civic in really good condition for her to drive. I give the details for the benefit of anyone else here who lives in the Cleveland area, so that you may give a wide berth should you see her in traffic (j/k). ;)
Patrick Toman
Monday, September 17, 2001 09:34:01 PM
IP: aca051aa.ipt.aol.com

I just heard some news from my mon. One of the missing fireman is Angel from Murder in Small TownX
Spacebabie
Monday, September 17, 2001 07:59:08 PM
IP: proxy.ord.netsetter.com

Having Moochie's pants on my face makes me feel like such a butthead.

(Chibi-Death rips the aforementioned article of clothing off Aaron's head and starts attacking it with the Soul Crusher, shouting "Die, evil pants! Die!"

All of you behave, or I'll MUG you.

Josh> <<Can I make you stop this car?>> Not unless you have a shiny lightbar on your car.

GB> <<Next thing you know, everyone boarding a plane will be forced to strip off their clothes and get full body cavity searches.>> That reminds me of my bro's solution. "They should ban carry-on luggage and make everybody fly naked. Especially the stewardesses. I mean, flight attendants."

Later.


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, September 17, 2001 06:32:23 PM
IP: 209.33.140.100

Thanks Josh... i'll keep that in mind next time I trust my brother's stuff :P

::runs over and SCHNORF's lain from the left::

WAHA!

::deposits lain in Val's lap to cover any assets that might be left showing....::

b'bye now!
::whaps winterwolf with pillow and runs, high fiveing Lyn on way out::

Aingeal
Monday, September 17, 2001 06:06:44 PM
IP: 207.42.162.195

*runs into the CR*]

*Races over to lain, and **SCHNORFF**'s her from the right side*

*turns, and uses a "summon pants" spell to steal Gunjack's pants from him*

*suddenly realizes what she is holding, screams, and throws the pants up into the air, where they fall and land on Aaron's head.*

*Runs out of the CR, exchanging high-fives with Ain*
Lynati "synchronized CR fun" Kshudra
Monday, September 17, 2001 06:06:34 PM
IP: 207.94.232.188

Josh - A gun that can shoot around corners? Do you mean a gun that can SEE around corners (with a camera/scope that feeds to a display over one of the soldier's eyes), or a gun that fires bullets that can go around corners? 'Cause the former is not only real, but pretty danged simple....
Gunjack Valentine
Monday, September 17, 2001 05:39:57 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Aingeal: Popular Mechanics is not a valid source of info on new technologies. The magazine is largely funded by the government as a propaganda machine to make other countries think we're more advanced than we are. Did you read the issue about the gun that can fire around corners? ::cough:: Bullsh*t ::cough::

EMP weapons (weapons that just fry electronics) don't exist because in order to generate an emp necessary for disabling lots of electronics effectively, you need to detonate a nuclear weapon in the upper atmosphere. That would be BAD(TM) and would probably piss off every other country in the world. So those weapons are a no show. Even if they exist, they'll not likely be deployed any time soon. And no terrorist cell has the capacity to put a warhead into space. They may have the resources to buy a warhead, but its a much different issue to smuggle and entire launch vehicle.
Josh again
Monday, September 17, 2001 04:45:47 PM
IP: c852362-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com

DPH: I checked out prices for Visual Studio. There are two packages, the professional and the enterprise package. They cost 259.99 and 349.99, respectively (plus tax). Its in a big honkin box, so I estimate shipping to be roughly $20. Still interested?
Josh - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Monday, September 17, 2001 04:39:10 PM
IP: c852362-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com

One more thing...

I'm all in favor of lifting the ban to assassinate terrorists and other individuals who pose a threat to us.

It'd be much more effective IMO to send in a professional Hit Squad to take these people out. Though I'm more in favor of capturing bin Laden and bringing him over here to face the people who's lives he destroyed. Let him face their justice.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, September 17, 2001 04:37:10 PM
IP: 167.206.248.14

Well, everyone knows my stance on things already. Today, most of the TV Stations resumed their regular scheduals. I think this is a good thing personally. It's nice to be able to take my mind off the horrors of what happened for a little bit. Also, it shows the terrorists that we won't let them destroy our way of life.

The purpose of terrorism is to create terror. If we don't go on as normal, and allow ourselves to cower in terror, the terrorists win.

Pakistan gave the Taliban 72 hours to hand over Osama bin Laden. We know they won't, but it makes things look good for us fighting against them that a warning was issued. Can't wait to see the fireworks begin. I normally abhor war, but I support this completely.

Hell, I'm 100% behind President Bush, and as you may all remember, I was one of his biggest critics and detractors during Election 2000. Now, I'm one of his supporters, at least as far as this war goes. Another piece of evidence that America is united. Hell, I'd like Mayor Giulianni to be in office for another four years. He was great this last week, and I can tell that he really loves the city.

SJ> Nice black humor there. I look forward to when you go back to hating me also ;)

Seriously SJ, I don't hate you. I think you're a pain in the ass, but I don't hate you ;)

JOANNE> Breakdowns for the fourth season of TGS will begin soon. Till then, "Timedancer" will be premering sometime this fall to my best estimate. After that, we have a surprise for everyone.

Ok, I gotta go.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, September 17, 2001 04:33:35 PM
IP: 167.206.248.14

Quick comments/updates:
there are currently 7 declared nuclear powers in the world. India and Pakistan were 6 and 7. There's a handful of suspected nuclear powers including China, Iran, Iraq and Israel. "Nuclear power" being defined as the capability to build and launch a nuclear missile.

the Us is considering lifting the ban on assassination. Good job says I...and frankly I think that a terrorist would be alto more shaken by that then war. After all you can hear a jet...good luck with the guy in the brush three miles away....
Interestingly enough, Clinton signed an order allowing assassination for national security fat the embassy bombings.
As far the questions of why there was no retaliation for the other attacks..well, as partisan as it is, I think it was because Clinton hated the military. After the bombings in Africa he pledged to "end terrorism" and promptly did nothing, except order and attack on a Sudanese chemical factory that was later found out to be producing aspirin) on the same day the Monica Lewinsky was testify before Congress. Sorry guys, but if that isn't "Wag the dog" I don't know what is.

Lain> All the reports I've been getting are saying that it's only a few hard-line conservative groups in Pakistan that are getting riled about their support of the US. Most of the population are moderates and are fine with it.

Ah well....such an interesting time to be alive...
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Monday, September 17, 2001 04:33:03 PM
IP: pool-151-197-31-49.phil.east.verizon.net

*enters, yawning*
no sleep for me, of late.

anyway, i was pondering some interesting tidbits from the news the other day. no, no, im not going to say something insulting or involving the throwing of daisies etc etc.
apparently the government of pakistan has agreed to help the united states should they want to do the smushey thing to bin laden. thats all well and good.. except that popular opinion in pakistan thinks that is a baaaaaaad idea. incidentally, all the leaders of pakistans army think its a bad idea, too. they think it is a bad idea because of that wee little nuclear arms race altercation back there a little while, where america backed india and pakistan was backed by (you guessed it) china.

also, on an interesting (and slightly more disturbing note..) how many of you know that, the day of the WTC disaster, china signed an economic agreement with.. the taleban government?

so how many nuclear powers is that? 4? (not counting iran, who isnt best buddies with the united states, either..)

eeeee..

the presence of those kinds of political ties and animosities serve to make me very happy that bush hasnt gone bomb-happy yet. i think lots of people think bush is taking too long to retaliate but it was 109 days before the united states attacked tokyo after pearl harbour. yay bush for common sense.

anyway, thats my two cents.

*exits, yawning, on way to work*

love
lain - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
up north
Monday, September 17, 2001 03:55:10 PM
IP: lily.visual.arts.uwo.ca

Earlier I was wondering about the Pope's response to the attacks. Well, I just found it, plus you'll never guess who the new US Ambassador to the Vatican is. Click on my name if you're cruious.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Monday, September 17, 2001 03:47:44 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

i was just wondering when seson 4 will be out and i love the gargoyles saga and the program tanx
joanne - [jczoe1@yahoo.com]
IrelandMonday, September 17, 2001 03:36:21 PM
IP: inktomi1-dub.server.ntl.com

*Warpmind strolls in, pondering.*

FS: Digimon lemon, huh? Well... without having seen the fic in question, I can probably say "I've seen worse"... (A certain Matt Watson comes to mind... "Self Insertion" indeed...)

Robby: Powerpuff... *Shudder* And let us pray that the monkey wasn't involved. (Not a metaphor.)

Christine: At least you haven't received typo'ed requests for "insect stories". I'm tellin' you, THAT was a laugh. Especially when the guy who requested it complained. ;) As for Black Roses... well, shucks. Ooo, hey, could you send me a PayPal bill for Silversilk soon? I just remembered! :)

Josh: Well, if they set standards for the nutcases they'll accept, there's no point in me volunteering, is there? ;)

Green Baron: Actually, the Navy didn't want me, I can hardly swim, and I am lousy at navigating. They initially wanted to stuff me in the Cavalry before I managed to dodge the drafting. If I do go to war, though, I'd probably be the unruly nutcase with the sword and firearm combo. ;) (Adhere to military standards? Me? *Norwegian* military standards? Screw that, I want to survive!)

*Looks around* I guess that's really all there is to say... and I'm glad to see that, despite the recent events, the CR seems to be returning somewhat to whatever passes for normal around here...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, September 17, 2001 03:32:24 PM
IP: mp-217-217-111.daxnet.no

btw: DPH, as to your comment (I missed it b4) We'll never be free of terrorism as long as people feel that they're not being heard loud enough and by enough people. notice that in war they aren't terrorists anymore, they're guerrillas. (mostly, and yes. correct me if i'm wrong there)

and as to the computer thing.... how do you know that virus isnt out there? I konw of people that could prolly take out the US in a matter of hours to minutes prolly. Not to mention there's a new bomb out that will fry all electronics and leave us in the dark. (Check Popular Mechanics on that one.. it's skary)
Aingeal
Monday, September 17, 2001 02:32:17 PM
IP: 207.42.162.186

Greetings, CR, people.

Entity> Well, let's face it. Our country is decadent. We have softened, because we are wealthy and powerful. The sad thing is America should have responded to the last few terrorist attacks.

It took a major tragedy and mass slaughtering to make this country realize what is going on. Sadly, it seems America needs these enemies, because it tend sto self-destruct without them. Before Pearl Harbor, we were in a depression and the New Deal never got us better than 14% unemployment.

Sometimes I think if America were not disturbed long enough, it would fall like Rome did.

I do like how the country seems much more united. Not like the Huns were, but to hear about Chuck Schumer and W in a car together touring upper-West Manhattan and President Bush was being applauded in areas where he lost to Gore by 9 and 10 to 1. I'm glad politics are being put aside, liek having Hillary and Rudy in the NYSE room together at the start of the trading day.

As for the attack being a divine punsihment, I don't believe that. It seems with the New Testament, a kinder, Gentler God exists, who is not as harsh. I think it all has to do with Mary, personally. Nothing like a mother's love to make the strict and stern Yahweh change into Jesus, more of a loving teacher. Well, that's my perception anyway.

<<Sorry, one last thought: At times I grow cold inside wondering whether Americans are united in national anger over the fact that 5,000 of us were slaughtered... or that two very big, impressive towers that everyone liked were destroyed in a flashy show that, like cheap Hollywood popcorn flicks, caught everyone's attention. >>

Regardless of why, its good to see America more united instead of dividing over petty things. This may keep us from diverting into 50 warring factions for at leats a few decades. We need an Attila and soon.

Warpmind> That would be good if you joined up. The Norwegian Navy to the rescue as their long boats enter the shore and pillage the enemy :)

SJ> <<I've been reading the Koran lately, and it says that you might be going to hell. Unless the fic is slash, in which it says you WILL be going to hell. ;) >>

I recall the Council of Nicea made similar statements about Digimon erotica and Pope Pius IX declared all Digimon erotica and Slashfic fallible :)

Well, I think its good that you, Jen, and Patrick can be in agreement. Now, I'm waiting for Pistoff and Crzy to hold hands and sing "We are the World" :)

SOROW> Be careful with the boose, dear. Puking in his bed is better than waking up in it one morning to later tell your dad you'll carry on the family name, though. I never drank or partied in College and while I am not 100% dry, I rarely have more than a daquiri a month, and more than that gives me the runs anyway.

Cat> I'm glad you liked my article. I'll be presenting more in time to come.

DPH> Well, depressurization may occur. Of course, how many terrroists would hijack a plane full of armed passengers or maybe they aren't armed, but no one knows? When bernie Goetz shot four subway muggers in the early 80s, subway muggings got cut by 70%, until he got the book thrown at him. If he was given a slap on the wrist, think of how safe the subway would be.

As for depressurization, those palnes all crashed anyway, killing everyone. I don't think it would matter. Part of our vulnerability to terrorism is how we can't defend ourselves. With new restrictions on plane travel, I'll be taking the bus and train a lot more. Next thing you know, everyone boarding a plane will be forced to strip off their clothes and get full body cavity searches.

Unity in tragedy> Well, the CR was united in sadness over Attila's death, so I guess it is weird how something tragic brings us together. I guess that's human nature.

Imzadi> <<"!@#$">> Nah!! I can't picture the Pope cursing, though I imagine he would meanly remind us not to attack mosques and would be cocerned about how America might strike back. The Pope would also want a minimum of bloodshed, though I imagine he hasn't responded too much because he is in poor health and dying.

<<: I'm sorry, but the way your faith disposed of heretics was morally reprehensible, and is one of my leading motivations for having zero faith in Christian Morality.>> Well I agree with you. I just like the idea of committing such acts on the Taliban. It's probably wrong of me, but I'm not a perfect man. I feel horrible about what the Church did to their Jewish brethern. The Virgin Mary, mother of all Christians was after all a devout Jew, and I am glad that the times have changed since those dark times. On the other hand, it doesn't bother me what the Inquisition did to other "Christians". Maybe, I'm a hypocrite for that.

Name a succesful theocracy, too.

<<Why is that sick!? Let kids be kids! You're gonna tell me that at 19 almost 20 I should be fighting for some cause, taking on the world with all my power? I'm not even fully educated yet! And damned if I want to stop being a kid. >>
Not in that sense, but I think we are coddled and it is worse than nay form of abuse. My mother treated me like a child until I moved in with my father. Part of my reason to join the Army was to grow up. Now, I regard her coddling as a daily castration. What a lovely opinion of my own mother!! Oh well, I have Mary as my mother (though my mother's name is mary Elizabeth, ironically).

<<Um, you have it backwards. Capitalism is a byproduct of those things. >> Well, thsi coudl turn into a chicken/egg argument. I've always seen that freedom, liberty, and opportunity are interdependent with capitalism. They have a symbiosis, but I still give capitalism the credit.

<<Oh sure, like its a) so simple or b) desired by Castro.>> His loss, though he is already a billionaire.

<<Perhaps, or perhaps the situation would become worse>> I don't see how, but all things are possible. All the same, I'd rather profit from the empowerment of people than their misery.

<<Um, I don't think they did. >> That was my point :)

<<And you call yourself a good Christian!? Not that I don't agree with you, but how can you call yourself a pious guy after saying something like that? >> I belong to a Christian religion, but I would never have the arrogance to claim that I am a good Christian. I have a certain piety, but I am an not perfect and I tend to suffer from bloodlust. I guess I need to pray my rosary more. That always makes me feel peaceful and more loving.

<<Actually, a single Japanese balloon bomb hit Oregon during WWII. >> Don't forget all the German U-Boats in the Gulf of Mexico.

<<Or any other contaminant>> Well, it would be more amusing to render the Taliban permanently impotent. They are a very male dominated culture. They would be devestated if they couldn't get it up.

David G> <<I can throw out some bits of trivial news, though. Two weeks ago I got a really cool pair of boots that come up past my knees for my ren-fair costume. They were only $105.00 I was amazed.>> I thought it was just another Texan buying some boots :)

And after making that insensitive comment, I'm off, but I have QRF duty all night, so I'll be back.





Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Monday, September 17, 2001 02:17:52 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

::wanders by and whaps Imzy with pillow:: Hi. Since you responded, here's my reply.

<<Does this group every have a conflict of interest?>> HUH?
<<I'm sorry, what do you think the Pentagon is, a restaurant?!>> No the pentagon was a mistake...brough about I believe from what I've heard by americans too stubborn to give up that took out the hijackers, and unfortunately the plane's control.

anyway.

::hugs Lyn:: i'm sorry about things babe... keep chin up.. and pies and pillows handy in case you catch the creep.

Aingeal
Monday, September 17, 2001 02:16:00 PM
IP: 207.42.162.186

Well it's monday and that means... not a damn thing in my book. This is my longest day, I have classes till nine tonight. Could be worse.
I went to Hawkwood this weekend which is like a Ren festival which was a good way to try and put thoughts of last week behind, then again singing drunken pirates will do that to you.
Josh- Murphy? KILL KILL!!! my favorite one is that if you drop something while working on an engine it will always fall to the center of the car. It's true.

Tim- good luck, have fun, and don't yell back.

Christine- you mean we'll have to wait to hear more of you digitized, bummer.

Sorrow- you better make sure your friends don't have video cameras and if they do bring it with you to Virginia.

"Every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp-dressed man."
-ZZ Top-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, September 17, 2001 01:13:54 PM
IP: dynamic-129-120-248-132.dynamic.unt.edu

I haven't used Rory in a while. He's getting lonely.

I don't have much to say today. Most of what's going through my head is best not shared.

I can throw out some bits of trivial news, though. Two weeks ago I got a really cool pair of boots that come up past my knees for my ren-fair costume. They were only $105.00 I was amazed.

I'm in the middle of learning Flash 5. It's really cool. I'm planning on playing with it some more tonight. (On the down side, that means I have yet another thing to take up my time, and my money, since I need a graphics tablet, and a zip drive, and a bigger monitor, and a web site [which takes even more time] and...)

Oh well. Who needs to eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom? :P
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, September 17, 2001 12:25:12 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

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Anonymous
Monday, September 17, 2001 12:03:51 PM
IP: 149.163.51.199

Geez, slow day much?
Siofra
MI
Monday, September 17, 2001 11:58:57 AM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Well, I have no Net access at home now (damn router), so I'm posting from work real quick.

I really don't know what to say about the debate over who to blame/attack in response to the WTC disaster. But I'm really starting to worry about crazy people here as well as the fanatics in the Middle East. Apparently, an Arizona gas station owner who was originally from India was shot and killed because he "looked Middle Eastern." Was he from any of the countries we suspect sponsored the terrorists? No. Was he cheering at the destruction or saying/doing anything that implied he supported the attacks? No. That scares me almost as much as the actual terrorist attacks. One of my best friends is Hindi, but born and raised in the U.S., and she lives in Virginia with her husband now. They're okay - I checked - but what if some dumb ass with a gun in their area makes the same mistake the killer in AZ made?

*sigh* I don't know what to think anymore.
Mandolin
Monday, September 17, 2001 09:41:41 AM
IP: s00ded0.ssa.gov

*slumps in*
It's 4:06 am, I can't sleep, I'm watching fight club, and I realize...
My CD's are missing.
I had a plastic tacklebox type-thing full of CD's in my storage locker, and they are missing, too.
I never noticed, what with the computer being stolen and all.
Damn. 30 CD's averagering, say, only $15 each...Dammit.
I'm gonna hope I just magically managed to forget the box in my dorm director's car.
Damn.

*slumps out*
Lynati
Monday, September 17, 2001 05:16:08 AM
IP: 207.94.232.237

Imzadi: <That's not so easy. Orthodox Jews don't even
consider others Jews to actually BE jewish. This doesn't make for happy politics.> : No, it doesn't. But politics makes for strange bedfellows. This is how the smaller parties get to have some clout: by forging alliances. Unlike the U.S., where there really aren't that many other parties to form alliances with, there are plenty of parties in Israel. The more conservative groups look for a larger party that's willing to give into a few demands for the extra votes needed to get one of their own people elected P.M.. I may not know all the current details, but I do know that that is how it works (and how it has worked) there, and in a lot of places with multiple party governments.
Damien
Monday, September 17, 2001 05:11:35 AM
IP: lando-58.flexabit.net

::walks into the CR carrying a shoulder-mounted PPC::

Alright Murphy, where are you?! ::spots Murphy trying to sneak out through the fabric gate::

DIE! ::kneels for balance, then unleashes a glowing blue ball of energy in Murphy's direction. Murphy takes the blast in the chest, incinerating a massive hole in what used to be his lungs. Murphy drops to the ground, smoking::

That'll teach you.

Murphy's Law of UC Berkeley: You will notice many new hot chicks shortly after you discover that you have time to pursue exactly NONE of them. I don't know what they did to this campus while I was away this summer (put more men on the admissions committee?), but I'm noticing many more cute girls. Of course, my classes are keeping me too busy to sleep, let along go after women.

Yesterday nothing doing. I worked from 1-7, did a lot of homework, watched some TV, and pretty much didn't leave my room. I hate work.

Sorry I didn't post yesterday. I got back from RHPS at 430AM and went right to sleep, seeing as I had to be up at 1230PM for work.

The Oakland cast held Rocky at the Galaxy Theater in SF. Apparently, they do this once a month. Its always nice to see Rocky in a real theater with a real crowd. There were a lot of people there, including several cute chicks. Mike and I brought about 13 of our friends (many cars!) and occupied an entire row. Many of our friends were virgins ("Mommy, what's a rocky virgin?") and my friend Vinay really got embarrased when they chose him to be the final virgin sacrifice (Let's just say he had to, uh...fake...on stage).

The virgin game for the rest of the virgins was a "virgin sundae", where the cast leader filled all their mouths with whipped cream and a "regular" fished a cherry out of their mouth...with their tongue. The really funny part in all of this is that one of my virgin friends was paired up with a girl that Mike really has a crush on...it was pretty funny...unless you were Mike.

The show itself was well done, exactly what I expected from this cast. The opening performance was four of the hottest female cast members performing that cursed song from Moulin Rouge. While I hate the song, I had to give them props on the performance. It was remarkably well choreographed (and they looked much better in leather/lace than those four "artists" who originally performed it).

After the show our massive group went to Denny's...I think we pissed off just about everyone there. All we did was sing "another one bites the dust"... ;-)

Today I worked again and did more homework. And that is all.

Replies!

Damien: <<forward thinking, pretty peaceful groups have to ally themselves with hardcore conservative groups>>: That's not so easy. Orthodox Jews don't even consider others Jews to actually BE jewish. This doesn't make for happy politics.

Robby: <<War is not healthy for flowers and other living things>>: I step on flowers. <<Lots of stuff blowed up real good!>>: Hell yeah! <<I *AM* up entirely too late>>: I'm beginning to wonder if there's any such thing. <<Yesterday marked the 11th anniversary of the debut of Tiny Toon Adventures>>: God damn I'm old! <<Is that the same as standing in one spot, slowly spinning around, then spinning real fast, to then jump out with a whole new look and identity to yell "Heeeeeeeere's PUCK!">>: LOL I doubt it. <<Its gonna be a post entirely about porn>>: A review of my hard drive? <<Powerpuff Girls porn>>: AHHHHHH!

Green Baron: <<We can pit our enemies against each other>>: I like it! <<what has the Holy Father said about the bombings>>: "!@#$" <<Those men and women who died averting the terrorists from hitting the White House are true heroes>>: And should be awarded as such. <<Justice imagine how they will handle Criminal Justice and interpret the 8th Ammendment>>: "Off with the hands!"? <<I hope the Muslim Community will dispense with these herectics as my own faith dispensed with heresy only a few centuries ago>>: I'm sorry, but the way your faith disposed of heretics was morally reprehensible, and is one of my leading motivations for having zero faith in Christian Morality. <<Make money, not war.>>: War is good for business. <<They consider vandalizing a Church to expressionistic art>>: As soon as I can, I'll get a membership to that cause...though that's one opinion I can't agree with. I'm into freedom of religion: no one should desecrate anyone's place of worship. <<I find worshipping the Governemnt a truly perveretd act>>: Well that's because your American. There were many theocracies throughout history that were quite successful. <<our country breeds a sick mentality that won't let us grow up until we are in our late twenties>>: Why is that sick!? Let kids be kids! You're gonna tell me that at 19 almost 20 I should be fighting for some cause, taking on the world with all my power? I'm not even fully educated yet! And damned if I want to stop being a kid. The only time I was in a hurry to grow up was between the ages of 13 and 16, when I really wanted to be 16. I have no desire to be a real adult with real responsibilities. And the fact that you support turning my little brother (or rather, someone his age) into a walking warrior is what's really sick. <<peopel who woudl call Jesus a Commie or a socialist>>: He WAS! <<The attack on Tuesday was also an attack on capitalism and its main byproducts freedom, liberty, and opportunity>>: Um, you have it backwards. Capitalism is a byproduct of those things. <<Castro would get the embargos lifted more easily if he woudl just go capitalistic>>: Oh sure, like its a) so simple or b) desired by Castro. <<His people would be free and enjoy a vastly improved living standard and he could still make a fortune>>: Perhaps, or perhaps the situation would become worse. <<I wonder what Machiavelli would say>>: "Sweet!" <<I'd love to see a time in History when the League of Nations and the UN co-existed>>: Um, I don't think they did. <<The best punishment is to let them live but parade them around as freaks and break their spirit and resolve, until they die, broken, humiliated husks of who they once were>>: And you call yourself a good Christian!? Not that I don't agree with you, but how can you call yourself a pious guy after saying something like that? <<fill their water supply with salt peter>>: Or any other contaminant. <<It's been almost 200 years since a foreign war was fought on our soil>>: Actually, a single Japanese balloon bomb hit Oregon during WWII. <<Americans can face the sobering reality that we are not immune or invincible>>: I am. <<That would be great if America could wipe out our enemies all within some musical score>>: We will...but it will be of the News Networks' choosing. <<So far, we have a Marine, an Air Defense Artillery soldier, a Finance soldier, and a Disaster Relief worker in the Canuck Corps. Plus Spacebabie's brother is in the Florida Gurad>>: I'm shaking in my boots. <<no one has psoted but me over teh last few hours>>: Some of us sleep.

Queen of Pain: <<I only apologised to Galvie cause you asked me too and cause I respect you>>: LOL it loses a lot of meaning when this is placed right under it. <<they didn't walk around a desert for fourty years for nothing>>: Idiot Moses dropped a quarter... ;-) <<Afhanastan has Declared war on the USA and anyone who helps us.>>: That's the second stupidest thing that's ever happened.

Greg: <<THat was a typo>>: Suuuuure it was. <<I've got to wonder about more terrorist strikes on American soil>>: With Afgahnistan declaring war on the US, that is quite possible. <<The next attack could be much worse.>>: Yes, it could. I'm very glad I'm not in a major city or military target. <<I found Galvatron's comments to be quite despicable>>: I just found them to be dumb. <<the guy is a real asshole>>: How exactly does one find a fake asshole? <<I never see him do anything in either this CR or the S8 one that isn't trolling>>: Some guys get their jollies that way. We don't ask. <<He even offered to volunteer hospitals and blood>>: How uncharacteristically generous of him...he must want something. <<he did all that with an agenda to have sanctions lifted on Cuba>>: Like that.

Christine: <<That sort of mindset ... hideous>>: Or admirable, depending on who's side you're on.

Aaron: <<Don't make me impose economic sanctions>>: Can I make you stop this car? <<the Geneva Convention only applies to those who recognize it>>: No, it applies only to those we can punish. <<And yet, we're about to>>: Oh well. <<There are some things that lie above being a room admin>>: Like the ceiling.

Jan: <<it will take much longer than we probably anticipate. However, it is necessary and must be done>>: I couldn't agree more. <<you really think so?>>: I think you know something she doesn't 8-) <<It's a shame that the "families" can't just take care of this situation>>: Someone's probably got a cousin who can take care of this. <<With this type of attitude and believing that Americans are satanist - it's going to be a very difficult war>>: You guys make it sound like they don't think the exact same thing about us. <<I think that it will be good for me to get back into a routine>>: But jobs are so...boring. <<does that mean that I could stop paying you the monthly installments>>: Only if you want him to break your legs ;-) <<don't want anyone to think that you would do anything such as extortion or protection fees>>: Insert "Gargoyles Mafia" comment here.

Entity: <<Until now, I'd say we've been apathetic>>: I'm betting that's gonna change. <<At times I grow cold inside wondering whether Americans are united in national anger over the fact that 5,000 of us were slaughtered>>: Dude, there are 270 million people in this country. We're not united about anything.

Aingeal: <<trusting only 5 people... my parents, my BF, myself and an Angel I know>>: Does this group every have a conflict of interest? <<notice they didnt hit military>>; I'm sorry, what do you think the Pentagon is, a restaurant?! <<There's more sharks out there than we know about and they're all ready to bite us when our pants are down>>: OUCH!

Tim: Good luck.

Sorow: <<I had about 8 shots of Vodka mixed with V8. And I threw up all over my friend's bed! How embarrassing>>: You FOOL! I told my friends what you did and they all had a good laugh at your expense. ;-) 8 shots of Vodka!? UGH! <<I just made the UT Dance Team>>: Congrats! <<I am still embarrassed about pucking all over this boy's bed though>>: On the plus side, he'll have blackmail material for the rest of your life ;-) <<I meant puking! PUKING>>: Charming.

Ravyn: <<just how would you know so much about mixed drinks>>: Why, by reading all those wonderful Goliath bachelor party fics!

Gside: <<You know I'd be there>>: Ditto. <<you missed six, and the seven you did give are completely wrong>>: You must be mistaken. I'm never wrong. <<I really need to start commenting to people other than Imzadi>>: You and The Wizard both. <<warping my fragile perceptions>>: What fragile perceptions?

FS: <<the third one had it coming>>: Sure, that's what they all say. <<Digimon erotica>>: YOU SICK !@#$. You are so gunna burn for that one. <<I feel so dirty>>: You'd better.

The Wizard: <<The network is _finally_ up>>: Uh oh...

Baldy: <<Article 5 may come into effect. If so, I may volunteer. May being the effective term>>: LOL.

Sevarius Jr: <<I've calmed down a little>>: Liar. <<Farting Duck>>: LOL. <<anyone with even a passing understanding of the definition of tact>>: Like you, perhaps? <<it does very much frighten me that you're turning into Kaioto Jr>>: Oh, and then the party can start. <<I haven't said one nasty thing to Crzy or Greg or Pat in almost a WEEK>>: Crzy and Pat haven't posted much. ;-) <<Let me just say that I'll be glad when we can all move on and heal, so that I can just go back to hating them again>>: And there's the SJ we all know and love. <<Some of us old-timers feel we have to look after you young ones>>: Dude, you'd give your eye teeth to be there when she was drunk...trust me. <<it says that you might be going to hell. Unless the fic is slash, in which it says you WILL be going to hell>>: I think the Torah says something similar.

DPH: <<you win those cybercookies, provided you can find them in the CR>>: Oh, and I was just thinking I had nothing better to do with my time. <<1+1=2>>: Okay, I noticed it and I'm commenting on it.

Alright, time to finish up a massive download and get some sleep...I've a busy day tomorrow consisting of no class from 12-2 for some service for the WTC victims.

There are no smart women in the world.
-Hcatty aka LostPerson, TGS Comment Room

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, September 17, 2001 02:59:44 AM
IP: c852362-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com

Gside: How about next time giving us the James Marshall Hendrix version of the National Anthum?

Digimon Erotica: I know what I wrote could easily be turned into a story for virtually anything, but it was just wierd that I would think of Digimon. What is wierder is that I kinda saw it in my mind like the beginning of Final Fantasy the movie was.
It just all fit. It's wierd...
It will probally be up on my site before any of my other stories (the ones that are all ready written, just not re-re-re-proofread. Go fig.)
Fire Storm - [jeremycbcd@usa.net]
Monday, September 17, 2001 01:56:13 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

::runs in and whallops both Aingeal and Lynati with her gigantic Trout pillow and grabs a handful of pie and pauses to say a few words before going on her way::

Thanks girls, I needed that. My boyfriend's grandma passed away this afternoon, and its been kind of a sad day. I didn't know her that well, but its hard to see the love of my life and his family in pain. It wasn't unexpected, she had been ill for quite sometime, but its still hard to lose someone you care about. He brought me back to school after spending the weekend at home, but I'm going back again sometime this week for the funeral. *sigh* Anyway, glad to see that some people are getting back to the good things in life, and thanks for letting me join in!
Good night everyone.

Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
Ann Arbor, MI
Monday, September 17, 2001 12:50:19 AM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Fire Storm> <<Digimon erotica>>: I have run across that many times. Perhaps the worst of what I saw was hermaphroditic Digimon porn. !$#@ you Sirkowski, for warping my fragile perceptions.

SOROW> Congratulations on getting on the team.

Carolynn> <<I was flipping through anime-fan sites for Blue Seed and Ghost in the Shell! Really!>>: I wasn't.
<<Someone asked if Drew U. gives out free laptops>>: Yo. And I believe I said freeish, trying to imply that should anything be paid for them, they are much cheaper than street value.
And you get more hippie music from me today. This time, They Weight by The Band.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:58:16 PM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Digimon porn: Obviously neither one of you has seen the pic Vig did for Full Contact Fanart Fight Club as a shot against Cyrway. No Digimon themselves were involved, but it *did* get pretty raunchy with the activity Yolei is engaged in. And I'll say no more.
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:36:30 PM
IP: 64.243.208.106.i-is.com

Fire Storm > Digimon, huh? Gee, now I don't feel so bad about the Scooby story ... ; ) I've gotten some pretty scary request letters for Pokemon tales myself (among others), but no thanks!

Black Roses update > unfortunately, it now looks like the audio book of Black Roses may be delayed; TimeFare is incorporating and undergoing all sorts of changes that will in the long run be beneficial, but in the short run it will put several projects on hold. On the brighter side, though, after telling Mickee that I was almost through the 3rd Trinity Bay book, she indicated that she'd be happy to contract that one as well. And here she hasn't even had the chance to read the second one yet. Now if I could just find a print publisher half that enthused and trusting in me about the horror novels, I'd be set. Got rejected by Tor again. I've got one more idea to try for Black Roses and then I'll see if RAP wants it, and if not, fine, screw it, I'll see about doing it myself.

I'm back to work, six in a row this time. Stressed, burned out, depressed, the writing's not going worth a tinker's damn at the moment. Big increase in symptoms from the residents too. I want many nights off. Bleah.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:17:35 PM
IP: 16-195.075.popsite.net

just a short post.....

Carolynn Marie> <I was flipping through anime-fan sites for Blue Seed and Ghost in the Shell! Really!) ;)> sure you were....*lopsided grin* dont worry, we know the truth *joking tone*

Sorrow> <I meant puking! PUKING!> right...whatever you say....

Gavin
Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:25:13 PM
IP: dh171.scarlett.mtsu.edu

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! she beat me! ::is messy, but uses the pie to get lyn and others::

::bops Lain with pillows too::
Aingeal
Sunday, September 16, 2001 09:57:38 PM
IP: 207.42.162.188

::Yawns and flops:: i'm tired and grumpy.. or was... Bf's can be a pain.... anyway.. Lyn and I decided to be silli and add a new brand of Levity to the CR... so ::bops Lyn with Pillows fill of goose feathers::

WAHA! and may the fun begin!

::::Bops Winterwolf too on her way out::

Aingeal
Sunday, September 16, 2001 09:56:46 PM
IP: 207.42.162.188

*runs in, slaps a pie into Aingeal's face, runs out*
Lynati "MWAHA HA" Kshudra
Sunday, September 16, 2001 09:55:37 PM
IP: kcx-ks18a-30.rasserver.net

Hahaha you guys. I meant puking! PUKING!
SOROW
Sunday, September 16, 2001 09:42:55 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

** Niamhgold enters quicky **

Bad news, folks, based on the movie Big Trouble...it's either going to be suspended release or not released at all due to its subject matter. D@mn censor jerks :( I was looking forward to it; they make fun of Miami security guards!!!


Niamhgold
Sunday, September 16, 2001 09:33:23 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Imzadi - you win those cybercookies, provided you can find them in the CR. They are very hidden.

This yahoo slow-down is ridiculous. 5 hours for one post to show up in a group that I'm a moderator of, but apparantly ezboard isn't having problems. Has anyone seen Netlag lately?

1+1=2

How many people out there believe we can be truly free of terrorism? There are guns out there made of plastic. You can carry deadly germs in plastic containers and these people have no qualms with dying for their cause. So we can make our airplanes more secure, but about our streets? Who is to say what the most important thing to protect is? We need to make it feasible to mass-produce vaccines for any disease in a short period of time and keep ample supplies available. Yep, that's going to be expensive, but necessary. What about protecting computer networks? Give a terrorist a few years and they could produce a virus to knock out all of the US.`

Green Baron - good link. But what about depressurization of the airplane caused by a shot?
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, September 16, 2001 09:17:45 PM
IP: max1-12.cwy.cei.net

Hyperion< You know it's the end of the world when Dave Barry of all people gets serious. Anyone read his 'Big Trouble' yet? It's great. The movie comes out really soon (might already be out, I haven't checked).
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Sunday, September 16, 2001 08:56:17 PM
IP: 130.newark-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Robby< It gets worse. Ever come across Cardcaptor Sakura hentai online? *shudder* They actually sell drawings of it in Tokyo (and before anyone asks, I was flipping through anime-fan sites for Blue Seed and Ghost in the Shell! Really!) ;)

Sorow< Congratulations!! Our Dance Club has its first meeting this week. I passed an audition for singing lessons, but my parents can't afford it ;( *sigh* Everything costs money ... d'oh! Good luck and have fun! And on a side note ... pucking? Hehehe... don't want to know ;)

I finally got another story uploaded (just click on my name for you Magus fans). Someone asked if Drew U. gives out free laptops, and this is kinda tied together: yes, but they're not free. You have to pay for them, and you can't just bring a computer from home. Plus, it's a lot of fun installing ... especially when it keeps failing and getting viruses even you haven't even uploaded anything yet (didn't know that was even possible *L*). So basically I spent three weeks trying to upload stuff rendered impossible by a sickly Compaq *yikes!*

The moral of the story, kids? Go home; use Mom and Dad's AcerView. Whee!

Greenbaron< Good article.

Blessed be!
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Sunday, September 16, 2001 08:53:48 PM
IP: 130.newark-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

I had a bunch to say...but I think for this post this link will suffice:
http://www.lovedungeon.net/dave.html
Just in case the link thing dosen't work I hope y'all know how to copy and paste...
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Sunday, September 16, 2001 08:45:07 PM
IP: pool-151-197-31-65.phil.east.verizon.net

Oh yeah, I forgot, there WAS something else I wanted to adress... Be prepared folks, I'm about to make a post unlike any I've made in the almost three years I've been here... Its gonna be a post entirely about porn. (But I'm not being explicit so its within the CR rules...)

Fire Storm- Digimon porn? Doesn't disturb me in the least anymore. I've built up a resistance against that sort of thing working at AP, where all sorts of wierd crap comes in, and from proofreading my cousin's MSTs where he rips apart Sasami lemons to make the world a better place... (Although a few of those Tenchi lemons, even MSTed, made me queasy for a few days... One of them actually made me throw up...) Not to mention, in the course of looking for online art to rip off, er, take inspiration from, I've stubled across pictures of that before. It upset me quite a bit, as the website had given no warning about the content, and they're supposed to do that. I managed to write it off and go "Eh.... its destined or something. They're trapped alone in a world not of their own making and its destined. Yeah, thats it." (When its with their digimon, its a completely different set of issues...) Pokemon porn... Creeped me out when I first discovered it. I've managed to convince myself in the time since that the characters are several years older than they seem to be in the English version, so that they aren't 10, but 14 or 16 or something and that helps some... Sonic the Hedgehog porn still creeps me out, since they're naked animals in the first place. But NONE of that compares to the sheer horror that is...

Powerpuff Girls porn.

I rest my case. That is by far the most horrid and detestable thing I've ever come across. (Sasami being raped lemons are close tho.) Long as you don't write or draw THAT, I don't see a problem with you making the world a worse place and doing Digimon erotica. Of course, if you make it some kind of freaky Tenchi crossover, my cousin WILL MST it... But hey, you're actually a decent writer, so despite the content, it can't be THAT bad...

Could it?
Robby
Sunday, September 16, 2001 07:18:10 PM
IP: acba4f54.ipt.aol.com

SOROW- "I'm still embarrassed about pucking all over this boy's bed though"... Pucking all over the guy's bed eh? Is that the same as standing in one spot, slowly spinning around, then spinning real fast, to then jump out with a whole new look and identity to yell "Heeeeeeeere's PUCK!" ? Or did you mean something else? 8P
Robby
Sunday, September 16, 2001 06:53:36 PM
IP: acba4f54.ipt.aol.com

Hey everybody! I just made the UT Dance Team! I'm having such a good time here, I don't think things can't get any better. And don't you all worry about me drinking too much, I hang out with a very responsible friend who always takes care of me. I am still embarrassed about pucking all over this boy's bed though ;)
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, September 16, 2001 06:37:59 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Greetings all...

Well, Gabrielle didn't do as bad as I feared. Tampa only got a heavy rain and some storm damage, but nothing on a large scale (uprootings, de-roofings, etc.). thank heaven for small mercies...

I'm not commenting on the current state of affairs with what's happening in the aftermath of the WTC disaster, for personal reasons of belief. Nuff said.

Onto replies...

FIRE STORM - Digimon Erotica, huh? That doesn't surprise me, since people have been putting all kinds of characters from movies and TV into wrotica fiction for years. I am curiious as to what you attempted, though to maintain the S&P of the room, tell me via email if you could?

NAIHMGOLD - Sorry, I didn't get that item to your email last week. Watch out for it this week, I promise.

That's all I have to say for now... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, September 16, 2001 05:46:58 PM
IP: 65342hfc61.tampabay.rr.com

Okay, I've calmed down a little. A tiny bit. So I thought I'd try, with a somewhat level head, to explain my feelings to a couple people in here.

Galvatron: You don't understand what you did wrong, so I'm going to explain it to you, at least how I perceive it. We (the USA) had just fallen victim to a horrible terrorist attack. You then take this opportunity to hypothesize that the reason this attack occurred (or, on a large scale, while everyone in the Middle East seems to hate us) was because the U.S. is buddy-buddy with Israel, which was so mean to the Palestinians because they took land from them decades ago and then, several years later, the Palestinians finally got the thoughts through their turbans that they should do something about it (it's insane. It would be like the Native Americans all of a sudden saying, "Hey! We want our all our land back!" Sorry, but a few too many moons have passed there, Farting Duck, should have said something sooner. But I digress). I'm not going to argue over whether or not you were accurate in your statements. The point is, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE MADE THEM. They were highly inappropriate, and I believe if you ask other people in here, they will tell you the same thing. Perhaps if you had taken a moment to realize the mood of everyone here, you would have thought better of posting your comments. But yes, they were inappropriate. It would be like going up to someone who's grandmother had just died of lung cancer, and saying, "Gee, I'm sorry, but that's what you get for smoking all those years." Doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's just horribly insensitive, and anyone with even a passing understanding of the definition of tact would have realized that it would be a bad thing to say. I would have hoped that the same applied to you, but it didn't. You should have left that argument for another day, no matter how strongly you feel about it, but you didn't. So thus my anger, at your insensitivity. And I know, you could say I was being insensitive towards people of Arab descent for saying bomb the whole Middle East, but there really is a difference between something said during a time of extreme anger and frustration, and someone just putting their own foot in their mouth for no other reason than to fulfill some sort of agenda. So that's my problem with you. Sebastian Bach, lead singer for 80s/90s big-hair rock group Skid Row once got into a lot of trouble for wearing a t-shirt that said "AIDS: Kills Fags Dead". That's what my feeling of you was. You take a tragedy, and you use the opportunity to say something that is just incredibly insensitive and inappropriate and has no business being said at that time, and then when confronted by this, you go, "Well, aren't I accurate?" Maybe, maybe not, but there's a time and a place for words like yours, and at that point it was NOT the time.

Gunjack: My problem with you last week was that, in your hurry to defend Galvatron for what he said (and **cue defeatest attitude** to remind us all that we were about to engage in a war that none of us Americans could ever win), you didn't take the time out to think, "Gee, maybe Galvie is right, but maybe he shouldn't be saying these things at this time." But you didn't do that. Which really surprised me, because in the past, I had thought you were someone who would consider such things, but you didn't, so thus the anger and vitriole.
And yes, it does very much frighten me that you're turning into Kaioto Jr.

PROOF of the unity felt by Americans right now: I haven't said one nasty thing to Crzy or Greg or Pat in almost a WEEK. On the contrary, I've pretty much agreed with almost everything that they've said. God damn, united we really must stand.
Let me just say that I'll be glad when we can all move on and heal, so that I can just go back to hating them again.
Honestly, that's a joke, people. Even in these dark days, I can at least manage some black comedy.

SOROW: Now I'm *really* starting to get worried for you. I'm not going to say something foolish like, "don't drink!", because as the great Chef from South Park says, "There's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college", but if you are going to get hammered....please be careful. Some of us old-timers feel we have to look after you young ones. ;)

Fire Storm: <<I started a new story. A evil story. A story that should never be written.
It was erotica.
Digimon erotica.>>

I've been reading the Koran lately, and it says that you might be going to hell. Unless the fic is slash, in which it says you WILL be going to hell. ;)
Sevarius Jr.
Sunday, September 16, 2001 05:13:53 PM
IP: 66-44-91-45.s553.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Niamhgold -- hi, just wanted to say how much I liked your art on Avalon Mists. The lead pic for the Titania's Secrets section was very *wow* =)

Do you a website/gallery of your art somewhere? I'd love to see more.

>^,,^<
Mooncat
Mooncat
Sunday, September 16, 2001 04:58:59 PM
IP: wks-65-30-27-68.kscable.com

*Warpmind strolls in, pondering.*
So much I could comment on... so little I actually WANT to comment on... Nonetheless, a post is a bit overdue by now...

Article 5 may come into effect. If so, I may volunteer. May being the effective term.

On a brighter note, click my link for the demo of the CRPG... latest build.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, September 16, 2001 03:03:02 PM
IP: mp-217-206-201.daxnet.no

** Niamhgold enters quickly **

Oh, thank God! The network is _finally_ up and running off my apartment again! Yippee for small favors...longer post later!

Adios
Niamhgold
Sunday, September 16, 2001 02:07:34 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Sorry, one last thought: At times I grow cold inside wondering whether Americans are united in national anger over the fact that 5,000 of us were slaughtered... or that two very big, impressive towers that everyone liked were destroyed in a flashy show that, like cheap Hollywood popcorn flicks, caught everyone's attention.
Entity
Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:47:03 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Green Baron> That's just it, though. Over the last couple of decades, we HAVEN'T been invincible. Terrorists have been successful numerous times in not just destroying property, but MURDERING American citizens. They've taken us hostage. Attacked the sanctity of our embassies. Tried to kill our former leaders. Why haven't we reacted with united national anger prior to now? The blood of all those who have died in terrorist attacks prior to tuesday is on OUR hands, because they died in vain. We're so self-righteous over the WTC and Pentagon attacks, vowing that all who died that day will not have died in vain. I'd say that, if what happened on tuesday WAS punishment from God as those two evangelical hacks have proposed, that it was God punishing us for IGNORING the deaths of our very own people. I mean, where was their national anger? Where was their avenging campaign against terrorism? THEY died in vain. Their country didn't give two shits.
Entity
Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:42:15 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

I understand that it is pretty somber and all, but either my computer is wrong or no one has psoted but me over teh last few hours
Green Baron
Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:56:42 AM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

Here's another article about terrroism that may actually prevent people from hijacking a plane with boxcutters and knives.

Just click on my name to read it.
Green Baron
Sunday, September 16, 2001 07:12:02 AM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

Greetings, CR land.

Tiny Toons> Well, 11 years sounds about right. I think I was in seventh grade when it came out. 1990.

Aingeal> Emotions are a dangerous thing. It seems to occur here. At least no one has dared to comapre Israel to Northern Ireland. The Israelis have obvious rights to Israel, while the limeys do not have any ownership rights to Ulster.

Entity> I would agree. We have been soft on terrorism in the past. America is more concerned about pleasing friends than punishing enemies. Also, America has gotten soft because it always felt that it couldn't be touched. It's been almost 200 years since a foreign war was fought on our soil. Pearl Harbor was on a military target in the Pacific, before Hawaii was a state. Now it hits home and Americans can face the sobering reality that we are not immune or invincible. Our defenses have been weakened (which always occurs before the US goes tow ar) and our soft approach to past attacks makes our enemies think we can be eliminated. Well, we proved them wrong before. Let's do it again.

Jan> Well, the book is excellent. The movie did a great job of choreographing the killings. That would be great if America could wipe out our enemies all within some musical score. Sadaam Hussein is also a major fan of the Godfather, so maybe we should approach him as an enemy Don.

I'm also glad you're employed again.

Tim P.> Well, I'm glad we have one infantryman in here, because I'm not exactly a well-trained killer, though I have been assigned a grenade launcher attached to an M16 rifle. So far, we have a Marine, an Air Defense Artillery soldier, a Finance soldier, and a Disaster Relief worker in the Canuck Corps. Plus Spacebabie's brother is in the Florida Gurad.

Spacebabie> I hope your brother doesn't get sent to Afghanistan, but hopefully if he is, he'll be somewhere safe where he'll just get a bunch of hazard pay and stuff tax-free and some ribbons.

Fire Storm> Digimon erotica? I think even the late Attila would be scared.

Gas Prices> Its an old issue, but I'll play Devil's advocate and click on my name for an article defending the hikes.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau
Sunday, September 16, 2001 05:25:27 AM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

I have comitted a great evil tonight.
True, it may not be as bad as what happened Tuesday...
Or the time that I wiped out the entire population of a planet... ok... the TIMES I wiped out the population of planets. But the third one had it coming!

...

Ok, so maybe it is not as evil as that stuff, but it is pretty frigging bad.

I started a new story. A evil story. A story that should never be written.
It was erotica.
Digimon erotica.

I feel so dirty, and not the good dirty.
Fire Storm - [jeremycbcd@usa.net]
Sunday, September 16, 2001 05:07:54 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Imzadi> <<Or we could call it the World Finger Center and make it a tech center/whorehouse>>: You know I'd be there.
<<Grumpy, Dopey, Sneezy, Sleepy, Bashful, Doc, Happy>>: Sorry, you missed six, and the seven you did give are completely wrong. I'm talking about Fili, Kili, Gloin, Oin, Dwalin, Balin, Dori, Nori, Ori, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, and Trorin Oakenshield.

I really need to start commenting to people other than Imzadi.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, September 16, 2001 03:42:51 AM
IP: wc03-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Ouch -- 11 years since tiny toons -- man that does make me feel old.
silvadel
Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:32:25 AM
IP: cache-2.nyw.ny.webcache.rcn.net

<<tool names for drinks>>: I've always preferred Sex on the Beach, myself 8-)

For some good names for drinks, check out The Barracuda's latest fic.
Josh
Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:17:26 AM
IP: adsl-64-170-154-41.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Coyote> "Screwdrivers?" "Allen wrenches?" Lots of tool names for drinks. ;) And just how would you know so much about mixed drinks...? ;) **grins and huggles** :)

SOROW> Be safe at those crazy college parties, now. ;)
Ravyn
Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:01:42 AM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Sounds like you were drinking incomplete Bloody Mary's, SOROW. (Hmm ... actually, the way she described the cocktails, since they sound like screwdrivers with V8 subbed for OJ, I'd be more inclined to call them "allen wrenches.")
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:25:06 PM
IP: 64.243.214.165

I hope everyone is doing alright considering the circumstances. I think we should all have a big CR group hug.
Tim> We'll all pray for you and your safety. *hugs*
Winterwolf> Happy Belated Anniversary! I hope it was a good one.
Fleur> I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, and you and your family are in my prayers.

college news: Tomorrow is the big tryout day for the college dance team and I guess I'm as prepared as I can be. I just really need to be in something or I'll go bored out of my mind. And I officially got drunk off my ass for the first time last night. It was horrible, I had about 8 shots of Vodka mixed with V8. And I threw up all over my friend's bed! How embarrassing!
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:52:55 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Just discovered an interesting little fact... Yesterday marked the 11th anniversary of the debut of Tiny Toon Adventures. Wow. Was it really that long ago?

And I remember watching the premiere too!
Robby
Saturday, September 15, 2001 09:55:17 PM
IP: ac8d49b3.ipt.aol.com

Just real quick. I hope that everyone is doing alright, everything here is very busy, given the obvious of course.
Stay safe.

I hope to see you later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 15, 2001 08:24:03 PM
IP: 211.216.216.102

Tim: Didn't you learn anything from the miliraty people in the CR? Just say no! ;P
Fire Storm
Saturday, September 15, 2001 07:50:43 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Best of Luck, Tim.
Lynati
Saturday, September 15, 2001 07:50:15 PM
IP: 205.184.191.152

Hi guys! As of about 10:35 a.m. today, I was swom into the Unted States Marine Corps Reserves! I'll leave for Basic in either January or April and will be stationed at the infantry unit in Des Moines, Iowa.

So I guess you guys know MY take on this thing.
Tim Phipps
Saturday, September 15, 2001 07:47:02 PM
IP: 207.177.117.23

9th.
Entity
Saturday, September 15, 2001 07:36:08 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

8th?


Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Saturday, September 15, 2001 07:19:44 PM
IP: dialup-64.154.231.244.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net

7Th
Revel
Saturday, September 15, 2001 07:05:44 PM
IP: dynamic-129-120-248-132.dynamic.unt.edu

Six?


---Emambu
Emambu
Saturday, September 15, 2001 07:02:36 PM
IP: dorms-pppoe-1-78-90.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

5th!
Josh
Saturday, September 15, 2001 06:53:35 PM
IP: adsl-64-170-155-61.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

wow, didn't expect this.. :) 4th!
Jan
Saturday, September 15, 2001 06:43:57 PM
IP: modem18-110.mo-net.com

**Winterwolf enters the CR carrying Dreamie**

I'm visiting my nephew and I thought I'd stop in to just say hello to everyone. Hey it looks like I snagged top ten while I'm at it.

Number 3!

**Winterwolf and Dreamie kiss as Winterwolf carries Dreamie away**

Dreamie and Winterwolf
Saturday, September 15, 2001 06:41:27 PM
IP: ool-18b93926.dyn.optonline.net

*stunned* Wow.
I guess...I really am first...
*sits*
Lynati
Saturday, September 15, 2001 06:31:31 PM
IP: 207.221.70.23

#2, , or top 10!!!!!!!
DPH
Saturday, September 15, 2001 06:31:00 PM
IP: max1-18.cwy.cei.net

...?
Lynati "it's so empty in here " Kshudra
Saturday, September 15, 2001 06:30:05 PM
IP: 207.221.70.23