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*enters briefly to give Greg B a hug*
Jan
Saturday, October 13, 2001 08:29:29 PM
IP: modem25-314.mo-net.com

Just saw the latest episode of "Buffy" (they show it on Saturdays rather than Tuesdays here in St. Louis, as I mentioned before. One or two comments.

* SPOILERS FOLLOW *

Quite a good episode, dealing with Buffy's gradual "recovery". I'd considered the possibility that Buffy had wound up in Heaven instead of in Hell, so the revelation at the end didn't come as a complete shock. But I thought that it was a very effective moment, which really brought home just what it means to pull somebody back out of Heaven. Willow's done more damage than she realizes, even aside from the thaumogenesis business. (Incidentally, it says a lot about how Buffy's interactions with Spike have changed and progressed that she can actually share this information with him, and him alone).

The "thaumogenetic demon" scenes were quite good (especially where it was masquerading as Buffy and arraigning Willow over murdering the fawn; that act of hers still struck me as alarming). This definitely feels like a promising season. Darker than the earlier ones, but thought-provoking (especially the aforementioned closing revelation).

* SPOILERS END *

* BRIEF X-MEN:EVOLUTION COMMENTS *

I've been quite enjoying this season myself - especially now that they've brought Hank McCoy in (Beast was my favorite character from the FOX series). As for Risty the new girl, I'm not quite certain about her being Mystique (though it is possible). I've come across an alternate theory that she's really the series' adaptation of Psylocke (who I'm not too familiar with, but I understand that she was from England and had purple hair). But for now, I'm going to wait and see on this one.

* COMMENTS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, October 13, 2001 07:18:45 PM
IP: sdn-ar-001mosloup305.dialsprint.net

Went into New York City today to go to a con... well more of a market. Got some great items there.

The Babylon 5 Blooper Reel, funny stuff.

Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker... uncut, uncensored, exactly as it was meant to be seen. I already watched it, and it kicks ass. I haven't seen the cut version that's already released, and I have no desire to.

Some other things also, but this stff was great. THank the gods for bootlegs ;)

On a not so light note, I went down to Ground Zero. It looks nothing like on TV. It's much worse. One big graveyard. I have nothing else to say about it. But I thought it was important that I go down there and pay my respects.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, October 13, 2001 06:34:15 PM
IP: dialin-521-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Imzadi - I just checked the progress report on my package according to UPS's website.
Here's the everything it told me so far:
PACKAGE PROGRESS
Date Time Location Activity
Oct 11, 2001 1:28 A.M. MESQUITE, TX, US IN TRANSIT TO
1:27 A.M. NORTH BAY HUB, CA, US DEPARTURE SCAN
Oct 10, 2001 8:54 P.M. NORTH BAY HUB, CA, US ORIGIN SCAN

I guess it is true that almost everything gets moved while we're sleeping. I forgot to ask one question, though: Does Saturday count as a business day for the purposes of shipping?

Ch'Tah Tyger - Here's a worse one: did you know the attacks on the WTC occurred on the same as my intial exam by a chirpractor? I won't have trouble counting how long I've been seeing a chirpractor since the media will do that for me.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
Saturday, October 13, 2001 05:19:12 PM
IP: max1-26.cwy.cei.net

Reach for the light, you might touch the sky!

Whoa, where did *that* come from? Too much Balto, I guess . . .

~~~
The Replies:

DPH, Saturday October 6: Thanks for the warning. I'll keep an eye out for them. This'll be one tiger who won't be caught napping. ;)

Gside, Sunday October 7: {As did I, until I found a listing of all the references.} Hey, I'm not the only one! Thanks for telling me that, it makes me feel better.

Imzadi, Sunday October 7: {Which one?} "Clint Eastwood", by Gorillaz. {The best way to post.} Or a lyric from an Afroman song. {As far as I know, MJ was the only pop artist ever with talent. All pop in the last 4 years has been nothing but prefabricated garbage.} In other words, the first two Backstreet Boys albums (five and seven years ago!) were good? ;) {My bad, I thought you were a girl.} Don't worry, I get that sometimes. Especially since I feel that the tiger within me is female. {Referring to us as a "family" just opens the path to all kinds of incest jokes.} Oops! Hehehe . . .

Winterwolf, Sunday October 7: {Hi. Well I'm off on my long trip from NY to Seattle. I'll hopefully be posting from Seattle by the end of the week.} Hope you had a good trip!

Fire Storm, Sunday October 7: {I just confused the two. Sorry.} No problem. We're not a well known enough community. Besides, misconceptions are spread about us all the time by publications such as Vanity Fair. Furries should stop being persecuted!

Sevarius Jr., Sunday October 7: {I find the whole furry thing just oogey to begin with, but plushie-lovers just plain frighten me. Christ, people. If you need some loving, just use your hand. Not your Tickle Me Elmo doll. I don't care if Elmo is wonderfully pneumatic when he jiggles.} I also think that those people who . . . uh . . . DO IT with their plushies are weird. I like cuddling with them, that's it. They're there for a hug.

Me, Sunday October 7: {THIS SUCKS.}
Imzadi, Monday October 8: {Why?}
Carolyn Marie, Sunday October 7: {Hey, folks, turn on the news. There's a US airstrike against the Taliban right now.}
Imzadi, you just got your answer. I just think this whole setup sucks. I don't like war, I don't like killing, I've seen too many animated movies. :) Tod's mother getting killed in Fox and the Hound was the last straw for me. I'm never going to even touch a gun. Ever.

Besides, the retaliation started on my 19th birthday. I really resent that.

Fleur, Monday October 8: {Welcome. I like a person who introduces themself as fresh meat!} Suddenly I'm feeling a little scared . . . <Backs away slowly.>

Skippy The Klingon, Monday October 8: {Eww, don't bother, please. Of the fan reaction I've heard for Enterprise that song is getting beaten on worse than Wesley Crusher. I've already heard there are two petitions circulating about it: One to have it removed, one to keep it. It seems that the guy wanting to save it hasn't found one signature yet....} Send a copy of the pro-song petition my way!

General quote stuff from Tuesday October 9 and onward: There's a site out there that has some funny quotes from political dudes (and political duds). It's found at http://rinkworks.com/said/ . There aren't many, since the site is mostly about stupid things everyday people have said. But check it out anyway. It's funny.

Robby, Wednesday October 10: {I wound up watching Tarzan the ANimated Series this morning. (Mostly by accident. I was home, and actually awake at an hour to see it.) I don't think any of the movie voices got carried over, which is a good thing in Rosie Odonnel's case... Show was half decent} I myself wasn't impressed by the episode I saw. Ridiculous giant spiders. 'Nuff said.

demona11, Wednesday October 10: {write to Disney tell them you want gargoyles back for new seasons and new episodes.} {write to Disney tell them you want gargoyles back for new seasons and new episodes.} {write to Disney tell them you want gargoyles back for new seasons and new episodes.} You don't have to repeat yourself! We heard you the first time! ;)

The Walrus Was Wilek, Thursday October 11: {Vilkommen, bienvenu, bene venite. :) Leave your sanity with us and join the mad dance of blood and tentacles. Would you like a shish kebab?} What sanity? I had none to begin with! ;)

Shish kebabs? Mmmmm . . .

DPH, Thursday October 11: {Here's a challenge problem for MicroShaft: Produce one piece of software that is fully documented.} Yeah right. Like that's gonna happen.

The phrase most often spoken by MS users: "I'd rather be dead . . ." ;)
~~~

Anyway, the foxy tiger is back after a week's absence, feeling better about humanity (both "Fox and the Hound" and "Balto" helped a lot, believe it or not).

Until later . . . Believe in what you dream. Don't turn away.
Ch'Tah Tyger - [cwtyger@lionking.org]
Revelstoke, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, October 13, 2001 03:32:16 PM
IP: 64.114.2.11

Wheew... feeling better today. Just wanted to stop in and let everyone know that. Also had some comments about two of the animated shows on the TV this morning:

JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES - At first I didn't care much for it, but from what little I have seen of it (including today's ep) it isn't the usual "big-star takeoff" like some of the other attemps in the past have been (still has horrible visions of "Hammerman" in his head)... The idea of this Shen-du and the eight demons making trouble for Jackie and crew is not too shabby. Though I have to ask, did someone on the character design staff watch too much anime when they designed Jade? She looks too much like a chibi to be coincidence! And today's ep with her using that runaway duplication spell...hoooo-boy! I didn't want to know the final cost on Jackie's room service bill!

CUBIX:RFE - Have to admit, this show's not your usual cutsie-kiddie fair, and the fact that they've obviously drawn from a lot of anime inspiration to make this show. What sort of irks me is that Abbie looks a bit more...um, mature for her age, or is it just me? Also, does it sound like the voice of Dr. K is the same voice actor that did Meowth in the american Pokemon?

X-MEN EVOLUTION - This show's starting to grow on me...it's not going the usual route that the older X-cartoon did. For starters, are Kitty Pryde and Avalance starting to get way more friendly than in past eps? Also the deal with Rogue coming to help Jean out when her powers went berserk was a nice touch. So was the fact that Jean and Scott aren't obviously the couple that they were in the comics. The road on that relationship has been interesting to travel to say the least.

Plus, this new friend of Rogue's... Misty?!? Oh, Alex, I'll take "Mutant Villaness in Disguise" for 1000... Oh NO! VIDEO DAILY DOUBLE!!! ^_^ Come on! That's got to be Mystique, or I don't know my X-Men!

Finally, we got to see Dr. Henry McCoy (as chemistry teacher and Phys-Ed coach)...I'm just waiting for him to sprout the blue fuzz and start saying "Oh, My stars and garters!" ^_^

Anyway, onto regular replies:

CHRISTINE - Was good to talk to you, too! Especially getting your opinions on my upcoming publishing deal. And I'll have some feedback on your story later.

JAN - <blinks at that last descriptive> Eeeewww... That's a nice image to give someone with a vivid imagination! <chuckles> Thanks for your well wishes though.

ROBBY - "Cowboy Bebop" is a good show...but, what's your take on "Excel Saga"? or even "Ping-Pong Club"? ^_^

That's all from me for now... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Saturday, October 13, 2001 11:22:12 AM
IP: 6535134hfc79.tampabay.rr.com

Me again ...

Warpmind > I sent you an e-mail last night but it bouncied back ... could you re-send Promises Unbroken? It seems to have gotten lost when our computer had its fit and I was wanting to use it for the Nov. Sabledrake. Thanks in advance!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, October 13, 2001 11:21:35 AM
IP: 17-057.075.popsite.net

Robby > LOL, well, I would, except you just know a certain firebug would break both legs running to tell a certain other someone so that the other someone could bust in here all indignant and nasty and a colossal ugly fight would ensue so that the firebug could get free entertainment and toast marshmallows ... and in the meantime, good people would be subjected to it and feelings would be hurt, because while I don't take all this very seriously or personally, some others do and don't need to be put through it (again!) on my account.

Jan > I always remember to put them _on_, but odds are I couldn't recall the color! When it comes to memory, I just amend the old adage thusly -- that which is learned with pleasure (or trauma) is never forgotten. Parenthetical comment mine own ; )

Site update > added a pretty pic of Godiva and updated my links. Hope to have a fanfic soon, once I get through these short stories to send, with high hopes but grounded expectations, to a few anthologies. Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

Sabledrake deadline > just a reminder, the November "myth & magic" issue is still accepting stories, articles, art, and reviews! Send them to me by Nov. 2!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, October 13, 2001 10:51:47 AM
IP: 17-057.075.popsite.net

Oops, missed something I meant to comment on...

Gunjack- Cowboy Bebop is a pretty cool series, difficult to describe. Kind of a cop show in space, with great animation and a main character with a 70's fashion sense... GREAT music. It's airing on Cartoon Network during the Adult Swim block, albeit edited... If you can catch it there, you can get a decent idea of what its like. If you like it enough, you can then hunt down unedited versions...

And for posting image and color, i guess I'll try Lucy, don't really care for the Lex pic... (I really should just draw a picture of Vinnie, and see if I can have that inserted and be done with it...Or meybe Talon or Maggie...)
Robby
Saturday, October 13, 2001 07:01:42 AM
IP: ac8548f6.ipt.aol.com

Iron Monkey- Is that out this week? Its a great flik. I own a copy of it (Its been on video a while) and its probably one of the best martial arts movies there is. I've seen it at least a half dozen times this year and I still intend to see it in the theaters because apparently its been re-edited somewhat, has new intrumentals, and well, because its on the big screen. The first time I saw it with a group of friends, we got through it, rewound the tape, and watched it again, and it was just a s good the second time in a row... The movie is so cool, even the COOKING sequences are impressive. (You'll understand it when you see it...) SJ, I think Iron Monkey is a movie you need to see.

Transformers:RID- Hmm, interesting how Robots In Disguise spells out "RID"... In any event, I think keeping in context what the show is, its okay... I'm just annoyed that its the Digimon dubbers doing it... Eeee...

Eddie Izard- Great comedian. Wish I had more of his stuff on tape. He did an episode or two of the British WHo's Line is it Anyway... (You know, the GOOD version of the show with Clive Anderson instead of Drew Carrey. And where Tony Slattery would show up occassionally...)

Josh- Naw. That would indicate that was only the second time I've had to ban SJ. By my count, I've had to ban him 1,864,753 times. Unnoficially of course. 8P
<Its all about the innuendo> Exactly why I'm challenging Christine to see how far she can go without breaking the room rules. (Hmm, at one of Jim's parties we had Demona run around naked...)

Actually, we haven't had one of Jim's parties in a while... (Not since the whole RPing thing kinda fell apart due to my ill concieved "ten saga" thing...) Hmm... Anyone in here want to have another Jim Noying party? I'm sure he'd be willing to come out of hiding to host one if there was any sort of interest...

Jan- All right, you caught me, its cause I wanted to be more like you. 8] Actually, I hadn't even realized until I started using it that you had already gotten to it. I'd rather try and be unique if possible... Hmm, maybe if I change to a lesser used piccie... (SInce the Brooklyn pic has come up a few times since I started using it...) Young Lex maybe... Gives me a couple other colors to try and play with... (After using Rich Orange for almost three years, its gonna be tricky finding something I can really settle on again... Maybe I should just... convince... Aaron to change his color...)
Robby
Saturday, October 13, 2001 06:44:04 AM
IP: ac8548f6.ipt.aol.com

Heh heh. Self-imposed vacation rocks!

Instead of waking up at 9 for class, I woke up at 1230, dropped off my materials homework and my midterm (with a request for a regrade), got a haircut, and eventually decided to go to math discussion. Boy did I regret that decision. Oh well, it could have been important.

I made a few changes in my website, spent WAY too many hours talking on the phone cross-country, and spent the rest of the evening hanging with the three programmers I live with.

After a shave and a haircut, I ALMOST look respectable.

Other than some massive asskicking done by me at Mario Kart 64, very little happened today. I thought about working on my fic, but instead I got very absorbed with phone conversation and not-having-a-laptop.

Soon, I'll get back to that thing. I might even post the prologue soon.

Replies:

Fire Storm: <<Have you ever seen the manuals for the IBM AS/400 servers>>: Nope. But I remember the old office manuals...they were pretty bulky.

Patrick: <<trying to build a better ape>>: We can make him bigger, stronger. He can fling poo twice as far. <<Getting on with the business of America>>: "getting on" being the operative words...either that or f*cking around IS the business of America.

Taleweaver: <<like the patterns of where our hair grows>>: So, in other words: one day, men won't have to look at hippies' hairy legs, AND they won't have to hear women complain about shaving them!? <<And when sentience popped up a little later, you got hominids walking and talking>>: I love how you make it sound so simple and quick, yet it took millions of years for this to develop. <<Would it be wrong to hunt done the executives of Saban and the overseas makers of this offal>>: No. <<If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck,>>: Its either a duck...or a retard.

Tim: <<anthrax>>: Gotta love this stuff.

Green Baron: <>: I would be terribly uncomfortable having you in office. <<unless you worship the god of Commerce or Alan Greenspan>>: Aren't those the same person? <<a greedy enemy can be better reasoned with than a fanatic>>: So true. Good luck buying off Osama. Saddam, on the other hand... <<Blessed are the uptight, for they shall relax in Heaven>>: Ooh I can't wait. <>: Join the club ;-) <>: I agree. Most would fail. <<Out of curiousity what would you do with the Vatican?>>: I'm not sure. <<if you don't reproduce then after you rule the world, Clan Forsyth shall do it next>>: Best of luck with that.

Smut Pandering Bitch Queen of Creation: <<porn library>>: Now imagine that type of collection of movies, and you've got my computer's hard drive ;-)

Robby: <<Go away, or I shall have to ban you again>>: Shouldn't that be "ban you a second time." <<Lets see how explicit you can get without breaking room rules>>: Its all about innuendo and euphamisms. <>: That's never stopped anyone before.

Carolynn Marie: <<have you met my dad>>: what are the odds of that? <<that's why he's my ex>>: He dumped you because you're an 18 year old who isn't ready for kids yet!? <<*throws morals out the window*>>: My kinda girl. <<often your comments show evidence of both>>: I meet very interesting women by being both articulate and perverse simultaneously. <>: Those are jokes anyway. <<Dibs on Iraq>>: What's in it for me? <<it'd make a great skating park>>: Yes, yes it would. We'll see. Oh, I hope you don't mind that I added you to my buddy list.

DPH: <<Where do I start with this post>>: At the beginning, probably. <>: So true. And we're proud of it, to boot! <<a dictator who has morals and will not lose them>>: Good luck finding one of those. This dictator has already lost his morals. <<between all the posts going here (and archives), there's quite a few discoveries to be made about human behavior>>: Absolutely. I could write an essay on every person in here.

Moochie: <<First>>: Guess again.

The Wizard: <<my teacher assigned a last-minute paper>>: I hate it when they do that. <<No...should I>>: Well, you did say your room was filled with action figures. Those are the action figures I'd have. <<D@mn, I'm getting up there>>: A few more and you can trade them in for a sport bottle! <<But I can't get HBO>>: Sorry to hear that. Is there a national compensation program for that? <<Were you ever actually considering giving it to me in the first, second, or third place>>: Yes. <<I'm one step ahead of you and several thousand miles away>>: Well I'm half awake and half a world away. <<40.5 hours of it are going to be spent working>>: BUWAHAHA! I'm back to my problem sets! <<Vinyl? Or black satin?>>: Never the first and rarely the second.

There Gside, you happy? That post was just as long as the one to Carolynn. No, I am NOT trying to set up a foursome... hmmm...

Jan: <>: It's called co-dependence. My friend suffers from it. It allows people to walk all over you, no matter how smart you are. And its really trying to be friends with someone like that, because you can't fight their battles for them, yet they can't stand up for themselves. <>: Its hardly important. <<butt barf.>>: Oh now THERE"S some charming imagery.

Gside: <<you lose them when DII has a hard crash>>: A DII hard crash causes you to lose your downloaded porn? <<netscape crashes when you're almost done with your replies to Imzadi>>: There are two ways to avoid that: a) be Imzadi and b) stop using netscape. On windows, IE and Opera are clearly superior browsers. <>: Like, dislike...all are equal in the eyes of |*r()|\|. <>: Ah, my original mp3 encoding program. Now I use iTunes. <<fah rah rah>>: LOL! <<they both have their uses>>: Only sometimes. And rarely together. <<so I framed you>>: bastard. <<And it does not apply only to Americans>>: Do you think anyone would mind if I made it the official earth bible when I took over? <>: Great...so its a fashion accessory. <<why'd you object to my proposed equal opportunity evilness>>: I was afraid I wouldn't get hired. <<No you cannot>>: I'll give up then. <<No, you cannot>>: Okay so that kind of blows your plan out of the water now, doesn't it? <<Boston is not in Maryland>>: She's always at one of those places, and I can never quite remember which. <>: Well, since you're me, you can build off mine. <<that long>>: Its a slow process. I want to make sure I don't fail anything. <<Nicknames should be earned>>: Are you implying that "daddy" isn't earned or "Imzadi" isn't earned? ;-) I think it'd be tough to earn the "daddy" one, since...well...I'm not her daddy. <<You don't know me very well, do you>>: You don't understand how easy it is to impress an art student. <<You'd think the little guy would have easier time of it than the big hairy guy>>: Trust me, I do. But that's a story for another time. <<Lazy people are responsible for all technological advances>>: Can you imagine what great shape you'd be in without a computer? <<Bronze>>: HUH!?

Someone must be waiting with baited breath for me to post this. As its 2AM and I'm still bright eyed and bushy-tailed (or is it the other way around?)...here goes.

I'm not stoned, I've just drunk myself to retardedness.
-Brett

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, October 13, 2001 05:07:05 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-247.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Okay Wilek, you like anime, right? Find Cowboy Bebop NOW. It would appear that one of the characters is a combination of the Joker, the Penguin, Baron Harkonen, and (judging by the way he bounces) flubber. o.O

Has anyone in here seen any Bebop? Can ye give me any info on it?

Somebody, please remind me to do a real catchup post this weekend...
Gunjack "Floating Fat Man" Valentine
Saturday, October 13, 2001 02:09:29 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Oh, and check out the sixth panel of today's Japanese Beetle: http://www.wfcomics.com/beetle/

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, October 13, 2001 01:46:35 AM
IP: wc01-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Don't you hate it when you've downloaded a couple hundred megs of partial video files, then you lose them when DII has a hard crash? And then netscape crashes when you're almost done with your replies to Imzadi? I should always copy my post before tracerting.

Imzadi> <<its uses...like watching DivX's>>: I thought you disliked the codec.
<<Windows Media Player won't>>: Eh, I use Audiocatalyst.
<<Coo coo cah choo?>>: No. Goo goo ga joob.
<<...eat chinese food" holiday>>: Fah rah rah rah rah rah, rah rah rah rah.
<<That doesn't help>>: True, they both have their uses. One to propogate the species, and the other to occaisonally keep the individual alive.
<<::whistles innocently::>>: So I framed you. They'll figure it out eventually and take down the warrants.
<<Except maybe "Hitchhikers Guide", but that's another argument>>: And it does not apply to only Americans.
<<how is that a plus?>>: Snow is fun. I get to wear my hat, and it can get dangerous for the busses, requiring the cancelation of classes.
<<Yes, but given equal abilities...>>: So why'd you object to my proposed equal opportunity evilness?
<>: No you cannot.
<<Could I have picked two women any further from me?>>: No, you cannot.
<<Niamh in Boston>>: Boston is not in Maryland.
<<Depending on the woman, they may or may not be>>: As I've said before, I lack personal empirical evidence.
<<By the time I graduate, I'll be religiously forbidden from working>>: That long?

Fire Storm> <<j0, Spid3y. J00 d0|\|'t g07 |\|0 p0\/\/3rz,d4ts j00r |-|4ir sparkin>>: my super-hero friend, your hair is on fire.

Traveler> <<hugs his Programming in COBOL/400 book>>: Feh. Real programmers do it in assembly.

Taleweaver> <<If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck>>: ...Never mind, I've alread used that line.

Robby> <<on this monitor at least, it matches the shoulder pad and loin cloth color of the Brooklyn picture I'm using>>: I'd imagine that matching colors on one monitor would be at least close on other standard monitors.
<>: But of course. I was just wondering if there was any other reason I might have been included among the banned. Though I'm not good enough to be in The Band.

Carolynn> <<the only real hit of the year was animated>>: Wait for December.
<<according to Einstein, you can't time travel cuz there is no time, but you CAN jump to other dimensions that were the past>>: I think that was someone else.
<<is he another Eddie fan?>>: No, he's an Italian motorcycle enthusiacst MechE, who is currently taking his time in the armed forces.
<<Well, if _you_ wanted a nickname, what would _it_ be?>>: Nicknames should be earned.
<<Cute>>: You don't know me very well, do you?
<<You and Gside tie>>: Amazing. You'd think the little guy would have an easier time of it than the big hairy guy.
<<Lazy>>: Lazy people are responsible for all technological advances.
<<Vinyl? Or black satin?>>: Bronze.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, October 13, 2001 01:35:28 AM
IP: wc01-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Iron Monkey -- woo hoo!!!! No real spoilers

I'm not a die hard Hong Kong Kung Fu movie buff, but I was suitably impresses by the gorgeous martial arts in this film. The styles were kewl, and the girls has outstanding grace.

All in all, pretty neat. Light plot, but it ties together the fight sequences in a pleasant manner.

The end fight sequence is really amazing. The fight choreographer for this film is a genius.

If you like martial arts, go see the film. It's fun and the I went through most of it going 'cool, cool, cool!!!'

Fun film, low angst level.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Friday, October 12, 2001 11:36:38 PM
IP: wks-65-30-27-68.kscable.com

What a madhouse today at work� eesh!

It actually began in the wee hours of the morning when several officers were in pursuit. The suspect crashed his truck and when the officer attempted to apprehend him, the suspect decided to not go peacefully. One of the back up officers was on his way to assist but on his way there, he hit a curve too fast and with the weather conditions of being rainy, foggy, and rain slicked roads � he lost control of his patrol car, went off the road (they were traveling thru the mountains) went sideways, slammed the back passenger side panel into a tree, bounced off of it, spun around, and then slammed the other back side of the car into a different tree. He bent the cage divider, broke out the back windshield and totaled the car. He�s fine � just a few bruises.
They were able to haul the suspect in and jail him. They ran a warrant search and found 2 outstanding warrants� he�ll be in jail for a while. $15,000 bond on each warrant.

The sheriff was not happy about the totaled car� 2nd one in 3 months. O_o He does have a problem with the deputies driving too fast. There have been many complaints filed from citizens. He came in and filed with insurance and then left for St. Louis for the play off game with the Cardinals. I wish I could find him one of those red bird hats ;)
But, we did not have any supervising police officers in the office today.. that left the chief admin in charge. When I arrived this morning (7:30am) the night dispatcher was sound asleep�. The jailer had to wake her up. We didn�t have enough officers to cover the shifts for this weekend and another dispatcher called in sick. Kathy spent her day arranging schedules.

The inmate that we had who had shot at the people who he felt had murdered his son and then wrote a letter to his wife about a planned escape� well, somehow he was able to convince a judge that he needed to go to the de-tox center � even though he�d been in our jail for over 3 weeks already � well, the de-tox notified us that this inmate had escaped their facilities. Well, aren�t we shocked? *rolls eyes* The judge was warned beforehand.

I received a call from a very sweet elderly lady today. She received a letter from a company in Ohio that she has never heard of and therefore wanted the police to come and get it. She said that she saw on TV where they said to not open mail if you do not know where it�s from. *chuckles* I mean, she�s right� but it was just so sweet and innocent. I yelled at the police officer that laughed and made fun of the lady. With the latest anthrax findings, people are going to become even uneasier about life.

Late this afternoon a lady came in and had an ex parte with her for us to serve her husband. Apparently she had been in the hospital having a nervous breakdown and he filed for a divorce. He then took the children and told her that he had a restraining order against her and that she could not come near the children or he would have her thrown in jail. She was na�ve and believed him at his word. He lied. She finally checked to see if there was a restraining order against her and there wasn�t one. He has kept her from her children (the youngest child is 1 yr. Old) Soooo�. while talking to the officer she said that she doesn�t want to cause any problems for her husband, etc. She was concerned about where he would live once the ex parte was served, would he get to see the children, etc. All I could see was footprints across her forehead. Geesh. He lied to her, took her children away from her and filed for a divorce while she was mentally incapacitated and she was still concerned about his well being and feelings. I don�t understand that type of mentality.

I�m glad it�s Friday.

Enity> <> I�m not irked at you nor have I been =) Even though you didn�t specify anyone in particular, I just wanted to let you know that I wasn�t ever irked with you.
<<Islam> I've come to an interesting observation about Islam. Turns out these fellas don't have any sort of centralized hierarchy of leadership. There is no equivalent to the Church. If you're a Muslim, you're a Muslim. You follow the Koran, and that's that. A notion I find exceedingly appealing. Can it even fall into the category of 'organized religion'? >>
I�ve been hearing the same thing on the radio talk shows about how they are not very organized nor are there any type of spiritual leadership to speak of. There are so many branches of the Muslim religion that it�s very difficult to know exactly what each believe in. In many ways, it�s similar to the off the wall religious cults that we have here in America. A few people get together, decide that they want to make the Bible or any other type of religious literature to fit their own personal needs and call themselves a religion. Technically, I guess they are � but it�s helter-skelter and not very organized. I�m referring to the religious groups such as the snake handlers, the militant type groups that seclude themselves in the deep woods and claim to hear from God, etc.
All denominations of Christian religion were formed because of a differing interpretation of the Bible. I guess what makes them more acceptable over the cult type religions is the extreme and how far away from the �norm� line they become.

Robby> <<- I changed my color cause I got tired of being confused for Aaron. I went with this specific color because, on this monitor at least, it matches the shoulder pad and loincloth color of the Brooklyn picture I'm using...>> drats, I thought it was because I use this color and you wanted to be more like me. ;) *L*

Christine> queen of porn� I think I recall that the first porn type novel written by a female was called, �Fear of Flying�. I don�t remember the author�s name, though. In the past, women had written soap opera type sex novels, but this one was the catapult of the truly erotic/porn type novels. This novel was printed in the early 70�s, I believe.
You remember what you did in class? I�m impressed ;) Then again, you _are_ younger than me *nods* Hell, I can�t even remember if I�ve put on my underwear in the mornings. O.o

Stephen> *chuckles* way too much information! Seriously, I hope that you are feeling better and over your butt barf.

Gunjack> *L* you�re not having a very good week, are ya? Sorry to hear about your roommate, though. I hope that he can find the help that he needs =)
Carolyn> no prob =) Just send me an email when you need some assistance and I�ll try my best to help out.

I swear Anna�s dog is retarded. I had my dad over for supper (mom�s out of town)�. He was speaking and then stopped in the middle of his sentence and began laughing. We all turned around to see what he was laughing at. The Min-Pin, Glory, was humping Anna�s house slipper that is one of those �animal� slippers� a cat. She was doing this in the middle of the front room�. I began laughing so hard I couldn�t speak and Anna turned 10 different shades of red. Glory was bouncing all over the front room with her new love-kitten�. Next time she will be placed in Anna�s room when we have company.

Scary thing�. An officer of ours flew to NYC about 10 days after the terrorist attack. She went thru many security checks in both Arkansas and in Newark. They stopped each carry on bag under the x-ray machine and examined them�
This week she was going thru the same carry on bag that she had taken and discovered that her knife was (and had been) in the bag. This is NOT a small knife. It�s an approx. 5� pocketknife (when closed). She had forgotten it was in her bag and it was in a side pocket. She went thru several security checks and not once was the knife detected. Coming or going. Less than 10 days after the attacks and in the Newark Airport � she sailed right thru with this knife in her carry on bag in its side pocket. I have lost all faith in the �increased security� at the airports.
I have heard of many other stories of people going thru *increased* security checks without detection of a weapon that is on their person or in their carry on luggage.

I heard today that they are suspecting that the next terrorist attack will be done in the form of truck bombings. Sounds like the Anthrax is making the rounds too. So far, media outlets are being struck with the Anthrax. I wonder what is next on the list.

If it�s not raining tomorrow, I�m going to attend the �Apple Butter Festival� in a neighboring town. Heh, I love the quaintness of a rural community =)
Jan - [janmiller@mo-net.com]
Friday, October 12, 2001 10:44:50 PM
IP: modem16-33.mo-net.com

** Niamhgold enters **

Wow, don't think I've seen such an intensive religious debate in here before. These things have tended to pop up every six months or so ;) I don't know what to think of the situation, nor religion in general. Instead, all I can keep thinking to myself as I watch the news and the commercial breaks in between is that dumb new Gilligan's Island Survivor movie thing. Now _that's_ downright *wrong* ;)

Everyone's flying outta here today, start of fall break. Me? I'm gonna stick around and take advantage of this freedom. Oh, and yeah--my teacher assigned a last-minute paper for which I need to go to the BMA, anyways :( ** Le sigh **

This week was pretty cool. Got to talk to a friend that I haven't gotten a chance to in a while, hung out with two others (we played soccer from campus to the restaurant, then a shoe/egg/water/spaghetti/tennis ball/banana/tackle fight ensued). And worked. Hard. That's about it! :)

Replies:

Gside: <That whole Daddy thing, and much more extensive replies to each other than the rest of the CR> Well, if _you_ wanted a nickname, what would _it_ be? ;) <He's a Gunjack. I thought he had that already> LOL. Cute :)

GB: <Well, I see you really dislike soemthing> Yeah, sorry about that. I was much too...harsh. Or condescending. Or both. Unintentional :( Aren't all three of those dead? ;P

Daddy: <It ROCKS and it just became my permanent hard drive icon> Ah! You're using the f-word again! ];} <That would suck> And the vaccine would suck even more <But its so much fun!> In a devilish, soap opera kind-of-way ;) <The opposite of "CON"gress> Cute. Again. You and Gside tie ;) <You wouldn't, by chance, have...transformers> No...should I? I never really got into them. Awww, come on, you know you're dying to say them <But Crawling is a great song!> True, but when they say they know of/like the band because of it, that's just bad, because of COURSE they'd know the band by now because that particular track gets played eight bazillion times an hour on the radio ;) <Point> ** Checks scorecard ** D@mn, I'm getting up there! <Not if I bludgeon him to death> And you'd get away with it, too, with all this hype about Anthrax ;) <No, I said GOOD TV> **In little voice** But I can't get HBO... <I've got other stuff crammed in my noggin'> Anything's more useful, IMO. So, point. <Just for that, no portugal for you!> Were you ever actually considering giving it to me in the first, second, or third place? ;) <Not a clue.> Too bad :( <Big f*cking @$$hole?> No, I've got three...they live next door ;) <That implies that he has Exile. He doesn't> Sorry :( <::HIT!::> ** Raises protective shield ** Or so you THOUGHT ;) I'm one step ahead of you and several thousand miles away ;) <We don't question it> Lazy ;) <Charming> Was that supposed to be a pun on the city? ;) <Jesus, calm down. You'd think you were the center of attention or something> Rest assured, I don't ;) Doesn't mean I'm NOT, mind you, but I don't ;) <: FOUR DAY WEEKEND! ;-)> YEAH! Me too! :) Although 40.5 hours of it are going to be spent working... <but I'd get arrested if I walked into materials wearing what I normally wear to bed> Vinyl? Or black satin? ;) <But I'm sure I'll figure out something> Just don't involve monkeys...yet. <Whoever said money can't buy happiness...was wrong> I suppose I'm in the wrong, then.

Wilek: Um...no comment ;)

All right, that's it for me. Tired, need to go to the BMA in order to write a paper, and have several hundred other things to get done. As Thryn pointed out in class today, "it's not Fall Break. It's Fall Break-Your-Spirits." And I'm sure Thanksgiving will end up being "Thanks-for-giving us more homework." Oh, well, such is life!
Adios, gang!
Niamhgold
Friday, October 12, 2001 10:30:17 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Ooooooooooor maybe my connection is just crazy. :P
Gunjack "o.O" Valentine
Friday, October 12, 2001 10:12:41 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

First?
Gunjack "Oops!" Valentine
Friday, October 12, 2001 10:11:41 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Where do I start with this post?

Well, Robby, on my nice 19" Gateway monitor, those shades of blue look slightly different, but it's hard too tell the difference.

I have problems with a theocracy because it does not allow freedom of worship and I'm assuming that almost any time church and state combine, the church gets corrupted. At the same time, I have to wonder if it's better to grow up with the abscence of religion or to have all major religions have their day. No doubt that I can NOT trust the wisdom of the CR for this situation since the amoral police pretty much run the place.

Here's the best form of government: a dictator who has morals and will not lose them. The trick is making sure the dictator does not lose his morals. In that since, a computer AI programmed with morals and ethics might be the best form of government.

Green Baron - news flash. Baptists think all true Christians are saints; some of them just need to hide their faith.

**TF:RIB SPOILERS**
- I think I understand the naming convention. If you have an animal alternate mode, you're a maximal or predacon. If you have a vehicle alternate mode, you're an autobot or decepticon. I'd like having a non-traditional Autobot around (Ultra Magnus) again (previous was in BW).
**END SPOILERs**

2-3=5

Sorry, but I believe all the features of any normal software should be able to be documented in 2-3 CD-ROMS.

Imzadi - you should know that statement about the size of posts was a joke, right? You do make a good point. I'm sure that between all the posts going here (and archives), there's quite a few discoveries to be made about human behavior.

Carolyn - Don't watch your language on my account; otherwise, I start believing I am shining in some light in this room.

How can you have heaven without hell? All the 'bad' people cease to exist at death?

9-4=13

It's time for **suddenly a temporal wave passes through the CR** . . nevermind somebody just solved that problem.

DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Friday, October 12, 2001 09:49:22 PM
IP: max1-61.cwy.cei.net

Okay, back. Shrek was awesome. Nothing against animation (hell, that's the reason I'm in here!) but it's kinda odd that the only real hit of the year was animated (take that, cynics. Bwahahahaha!!). 45 minutes I gotta head over to the University Center again in my PJs; we're sleeping out in cardboard boxes for Habitat. It raises money for homeless families, so why not? It'll be one big party, anyway.

JOSH< Wow! What a GREAT essay question. We should have star trek feasability questions in physics. >> God, have you met my dad? Ever since Star Trek and Back to the Future, he's CONVINCED that there's time travel and that somewhere in the far future the real Star Trek came back in time to give us the show and technology so that their future will come true... yikes. Anyway, according to Einstein, you can't time travel cuz there is no time, but you CAN jump to other dimensions that were the past. *blush* Okay, got ahead of myself there ... <<Falwell's moronic speech>>: Yes. Apparently the 11th was my fault. And all my friends, they helped too. >> Damn! He's onto us! Hide the napalm! <<Must we wish the curse of children upon them?! Haven't they suffered enough?>>: LOL! May I assume that you are a fellow non-breeder. >> My ex was concerned that I never want children ... and that's why he's my ex now. Hey, when he wants to put up with childbirth and screaming tots, he can be my guest :) 'Sides, enough crazy people on this planet. I don't want to screw it up anymore with my genes.<<IT IS REALLY REALLY HARD>>: Why bother? >> Good point *throws morals out the window* <<Alright dear would you like the perverted comments or the intelligent ones? >> Whenever I think I can't be surprised, I get surprised, cuz often your comments show evidence of both :) The whole thing about sick people and genetics and all that is very difficult because then morals come into it *okay, pulls some morals back in through the window and dusts them off* Sometimes I wonder if it IS possible to be too intelligent as a species ... we sometimes DO screw with things we shouldn't, like nuclear weapons and cloning. But then, what is "wrong"? Gods, I transferred out of a philosophy course and found another one online ... :D <<When I am king... >> It's good to be the king! <<Sorry, dude, but there are no "ancestral rights" to land when I rule. The US and Scotland are already spoken for.>> Dibs on Iraq! If I paved it over it'd make a GREAT skating park.

GSIDE> Welcome to America ... you can't be American unless you feel really strongly about SOMETHING ;) "Jam!" says Eddie

Once the CR is rebooted, I'll post an "American Gods" review. I'll be impossibly busy this weekend and won't get a breather until Monday afternoon (Ah, bienvenue au college!) I'm a huge Gaimain fan. Ever read "Stardust"? One of his best pieces. <<And the orgy idea sounds intriguing too. >> Apparently you never met the psycho chick living next door to my friends Brit and Nicole ... we were TRYING to watch a movie in their room two weeks ago but couldn't even hear the TV due to the racket next door. It's not fun listening to ... especially when I peeked out the door just in time to see one of my guy friends leaving their room, very flushed and dazed and only half-clothed. I had a hard time looking him in the face at breakfast, I was trying not to smother myself laughing, especially as he started eating a banana ...

PATRICK< <<nothing in the theory specifically forbids it from happening given the right circumstances. >> So technically, Gargoyles could actually take place, humans could evolve pig snouts, and Battlefield Earth could become a reality *shudders ... shoot that movie!* Anything's possible, but the chances of some things happening is decidely lower. Like, Planet of the Apes? Possible, but high up there on the unlikely list. The chance of Osama bin Laden getting a forced sex change and taking her back to the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan? Quite possible, at least I like to think so :)
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Friday, October 12, 2001 09:24:37 PM
IP: pc169-196.drew.edu

Entity- I changed my color cause I got tired of being confused for Aaron. I went with this specific color because, on this monitor at least, it matches the shoulder pad and loin cloth color of the Brooklyn picture I'm using...

Wilek- "Frell" is acceptable.

SJ and Ravyn- You dare mock my banning of you? Go away, or I shall have to ban you again! Ni!

Christine- Hmm... Go ahead! Lets see how explicit you can get without breaking room rules! (Which is basically, PG-13...)

Gside- Well... Uhm... You posted after Moonbeam did, so that automatically makes you guilty! Yeah! 8P I was just trying to be a bit silly about being authoritive for once...

Skippy- The Spriggan movie is cool for the first half, and then it gets WIERD... But it has Akira quality animation, so its worth seeing for that...

And sadly, I have nothing of importance to say right now... I have to have three books and then some read by Thursday for Issues class, and another three books by the week after that for English and History... I may be able to speed read, but that's still a lotta content... Lots and lots of homework to do...
Robby
Friday, October 12, 2001 07:52:25 PM
IP: ac84eef0.ipt.aol.com

TALEWEAVER< As I watching X-Men: Evolution, I really started to dislike Tabitha. Too loud one minute and real deep the next, everyone thinks she's cool, and she has a murky past. She struck me as a potential Mary Sue. A professional Mary Sue, but a Mary Sue nonetheless *loads up an M-16* I kinda liked Kurt crushing on Kitty better; those two either got along real well or drove each other a little crazy, but I didn't see anything interesting between Kurt and Tabitha ... who by ep's end really grated nerves...

All these talks of evolution in here counterpointing my ideas are getting me nervous ... I hope I put the right answer on my exam...

TIM< &^%! that's scary.

I was reading in L'Express Internationtal today (I'm paraphrasing now because I have to translate it) about authors like Tom Clancy and Chuck Palahniuck (Fight Club fans, take note) who've written novels with distinct terrorist themes. There's a rap group in the US, the article also mentioned, called The Coup, who released an album a week before sept. 11th featuring the rappers and in the background the twin towers in flames. Talk about bad timing. The French are wiggin out over this, too, from the news reports from their country (which is funny cuz all I hear over here is how they were dead set against the US taking action against Aghanistan).

Oops, gotta run, will finish later: Shrek tonight in the University Center.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Friday, October 12, 2001 06:48:08 PM
IP: pc169-196.drew.edu

*Stringers of fire trail Jon in as he enters the CR.*

Green Baron> <<<My father described him as the last gentleman President>>> Well, look at what you've had to compare him to since: one guy. <<<Would you be bothered if a Catholic President greeted the Pope by kissing his ring?>>> Not at all. <<<The Civil War would be if it was really about slavery>>> Although the war itself was not over slavery, it was caused by the desire to purge our country of it. So to be fair, we really were fighting for the rights of blacks. The South wanted to be independent because of all the pressure on the institution they wished to preserve.

Patrick> <<>> There was a humorous piece at The Onion regarding that topic.

Josh> <<<You're only saying that because you agree with me.>>> No shit.

SJ> <<<Sorry for the joke, Entity, but it does seem as if you're getting a little bit from every side lately. ;)>>> Indeed.

And on that note, I would now like to announce the retirement of my heathen-breathed, anti-Christian identity, and take up the role of all-liked, cherub-faced innocent.

...You can't just do that?

Damn.

Okay, well, how about this: I apologize if in the course of my unrelenting ('tenacious') opinion-touting, I irked somebody off... which I'm certain I did in at least one case.

Now, onto more important matters. Why is everyone altering their font colors??? God Lord, man, Taleweaver and Robby, you're both incorrectly-hued! Chaos...

Islam> I've come to an interesting observation about Islam. Turns out these fellas don't have any sort of centralized heierachy of leadership. There is no equivalent to the Church. If you're a Muslim, you're a Muslim. You follow the Koran, and that's that. A notion I find exceedingly appealing. Can it even fall into the category of 'organized religion'?

The downside is that people like Osama bin Laden can exist because there is no one with the authority to put him in his place. Maybe, in that light, the Islam faith is a unique one that really SHOULD be combined with State power, but of course then the ones in control end up being the fundamentalist/extremist a-holes.
Entity
Friday, October 12, 2001 05:42:33 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Survivor > watched it, taped it, love it. What people will go through! The water situation, good grief, how vile! The castaways are not nearly so 'pretty' as the last bunch. The falls they took during the challenge, ouch, I mean, the soccer guy is probably used to hitting the ground that hard but the rest of them looked pretty beaten up. ::applauds SJ's comments on the goat farmer::

Metaldemon > sorry I couldn't be of help; I'd never heard of the guy. Then again, college was almost 12 years ago, and I remember more from my meteorology and astronomy classes than I do much of anything from psych. Except that the chicken we had for our Behavioral Analysis lab was the stupidest thing on the planet. I'll never forget that. Wish they would've let us roast the dippy bugger.

Green Baron > oh, just what Becca needs, another charmer of a boy! LOL. She already has more male than female pals at school, including one who's quite a cutie and will probably be a heartbreaker in a few years. Thanks again for all your help with my research questions on religion. I agree, had I been raised with it, I probably would have a better understanding. I don't know why it was never a part of our family, but it seems to go way back. I don't recall my grandparents or any relatives ever attending any sort of church. Interestingly, though, I've found that the topic creeps into my games and my fantasy fiction, as if by exploring how the deities work in those fictional worlds, it will explain, or answer, something missing in myself.

Stephen > too much information, my friend! ; ) Was good chatting with you yesterday. I dropped your name to a gal who wrote me about starting up an archive of crossover fics; it just wouldn't be complete without you! Hope she gets in touch.

Josh > what would I know about porn? ::looks at entire bookshelf filled with Victorian spanky novels and reference books on sex throughout history:: Very little if we're talking movies and magazines, but a fair amount otherwise! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, October 12, 2001 04:55:21 PM
IP: 17-020.075.popsite.net

Greetings all...ugh, stuck at home with a case of the trots, not good.

Anyway, onto more pleasant things:

TALEWEAVER - <<Transformers: I only have one question. Would it be wrong to hunt done the executives of Saban and the overseas makers of this offal. Now, I have some episodes of Generation 1 on tape and I'll admit, this isn't Masterpiece Theater, but this show is sometimes painful to watch.>>

That's because the original show (Produced by Tankara, not Saban) was geared more for young Japanese boys than American audiences. Trust me, if you look at it in that context, it's a bit more easy to swallow.

<<The Predacons are a bunch of buffons...>> Actually, that's an unwritten law of evil: all megalomaniacs have to have at least one henchman that is a complete incompitent. ^_^

<>

I think it was due to the fact that in the orignal series, everyone had different names. Autobots were Cybertrons, Predacons/Decepticons were Destrons/Destrongers. The US Writers didn't want kids 'getting confused' over the name diferences from what the US Transformers were called, so they made the Combaticons be called Decepticons.

I feel what you're feeling, Rahsaan... I was irked when they decided to use the old american names for the characters (i.e. - Gigatron became Megatron). I liked the names from the Japanese the way they were just fine!

Might have more to say later... got to answer the emergency call from nature... again! <sighs>

Maintain and Check Six!

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, calling it a eagle doesn't change anything.
Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Friday, October 12, 2001 02:42:13 PM
IP: 6535134hfc79.tampabay.rr.com

Jan> You're right. It hasn't been proven and I have a lot fo trouble believing the elder Bush woudl say it. My father described him as the last gentleman President, and he wasn't a major Bush supporter. I liked some of Bush's foreign policy, but he could have helped Israel more. He also lost the election, because he didn't really care. Granted, his primary oppoisition was really awful. Ihope both of those clowns are now out of the GOP.

Fire Storm> <<MAke it a monarchy if you want, but only a puppet monarchy, like Britan. >>

That may be okay. I like teh idea of a King and a Parlaiment liek Britain in odler times, since a King is not subject to unwashed masses like a leader of a democracy. Actually, I'm mainly a plutocrat politcally.

Entity> <> I see your point. Would you be bothered if a Catholic President greeted the Pope by kissing his ring? Granted it is more of a respectful greeting, and would only be seen because a papal visit is a big event for any nation. The Governor of Missouri commuted a death sentence because the Pope asked him to,and he wasn't even Catholic, so that ain't really as religious a matter. I would probably do the same.

Spacebabie> <> X-Mas is more fitting a name. Santa Claus is based on St. Nicholas, and may I repeat SAINT Nicholas, a kindly Bishop in Asia Minor, yet some "Christians" don't celebrate Christmas and think Santa Claus takes away from Christ. Bullsh*t!! He was a saint and saints are the strongest of Jesus' followers.

Metaldeomn> <<No he didn't. When? If this is a Catholic tale, as I have read a bunch of them, then I won't give it much weight since I found what the Church used to tell me to be grounded in their own wants, and not God's.>> Aren't you also a Catholic? The tale comes form Jesus meetingteh money changers in the Temple and I always found that a disturbing tale, because it seem s alittle anti-commerce, though there is a place for worship and a place for commerce, unless you worship the god of Commerce or Alan Greenspan :)

<<The only war I find worthy enough to be "good" is WWII and the Civil War.>> The Civil War would be if it was really about slavery. It was about power and the Union never free slaves in tehri own territory till the Thirteenth Ammendments. Wars are not good. I'd ratehr not have them, though I like combat zones because I can get some major benefits plus a tax refund for being there.

<<War for money is horrid and an abomination>> It's honest, though. Beisdes, a greedy enemy can be better reasoned with than a fanatic.

<<However, that doesn't mean God supports it; it doesn't mean God wants it; it doesn't mean God is going to bless it, even if you ask God a million time>> I agree with you there. I don't beleive I will go to Hell for participating in a war, or even if I kill someone in battle, unless I kill someone who is not a threat to my life.

<<All that means is, is that they are Catholic...which doesn't mean anything. It doesn't make the military divine and holy. They are men and are prone to bad decisions, being Catholic doesn't give you an automatic ticket to making the best decisions and being perfect.>> I never said that. The fact that the Pope has not forbidden us form joining the military leads me to believe that Christains are not obligated to be pacifists. For teh record I have neevr been in a fight except for a hand to hand combat scenairo which was a part of training and I got my butt kicked, too.

<<You don't have to sit through mass to worship God.>> That's where it starts. You take what you get from Mass and apply to daily living, but without the Mass element the rest just doesn't mean as much to me. Beisdes, Honor They Sabbath.

<> It may convince you, but I seriously doubt I am going to Hell for being a soldier, either. Granted one Religion Proifessor I knew felt that way. Soem of his students were in ROTC and because they wore ROTC uniforms in class, there was no way they could make an A.

<> Well, his Mom and I are real close :) But seriously, the laws of science have an order to them that makes me see an ordered and structured God. God is really beyond my understanding, but I have always seen him as someone of order. I guess it comes from being anal retentive. Blessed are the uptight, for they shall relax in Heaven :)

DPH> <<Why we have an ambassador to the Vatican? I'm also assuming that said person has to be a Catholic.>> The Vatican is a technical nation and frankly its leader is better than any other world leader. Roosevelt established some ties to the Vatican back in the 40s though teh guy wasn't Catholic, and Reagan established an actual Ambassador position in the 80s, which may have also been due to his support among Catholic voters, and because his own father was Catholic. The Ambassador to the Vatican doesn't have to be Catholic but it makes sense if he or she is.

Patrick> I knew you weren't Catholic, becuase you didn't understand me when I was talking about ashes on Ash Wednesday taht one time. Kenna thought you were agnostic which is why I thought so, since she knows you more than I do.

Christine> You won't get any grief from me. You've always supported me when it came to religion and always aksed me for advice when writing about it. If you were raised with it, your views would be different.

BTW, I wa sthinking about soem comments you amde in the CR about Benny Weisman stealing Becca's heart. She hasn't met my godosn yet :)

<<Nor am I a pagan, as one clown at my old work assumed I _must_ be because I wrote fantasy. >> That si very amusing, since the foremost fantasy author JRR Tolkein was a Catholic, plus my Englsih Lit teacher Miss Calder was one too an dquite devout. I could see her with yoru gaming party, except she's a very busy woman. I know she'd be a garg fan too if she had the time. Your coworker really was a bozo to assume that.

Actually your religiosu views are not far apart from Dr. Barnes's. BTW, I finally got him a DVD player and he reimbursed me with a commission. That was pretty cool.

Metaldemon> <<Jaques Lacan is the French psychoanalyst who was one of the proponents of post-modernism and post-structuralism. Supposed to be real famous and such; I can't understand him to save my life :)>> Well, that supports my general opinion on frog philosophers. They had good artists, though and decent music, though the Germans were my favorites when it came to music.

Carolynn Marie> <<What's scary is many people say that we're the next Roman Empire, so we'd better be VERY careful ... but, hey, at least we have vomitoriums and orgies to look forward to.>> We've had orgies before. AIDS kinda killed the appeal of that. Vomitoriums do not appeal to me at all. I prefer reading about orgies, anyway. Much safer and there is only one woman for me.

Imzadi> <<As a fellow right-wing Catholic...>> I think that's my line :)

<> He said that to me.

<<You just ensured that the world will vote me world leader before electing you to any office.>> I odn't think I like you as much as I used to :p

<<The key words were "IN THAT FASHION". There just aren't any other documents that every American should be forwards and backward familiar with.>> You're right in that regard. I think all Americans should take a citizenship test. Too many Americans can't find Texas on a map or know the dates of the Civil War. I also blame the Teacher's Union as well.

<<Sorry, dude, but there are no "ancestral rights" to land when I rule. The US and Scotland are already spoken for.>> Now, that is just plain worng. I don't even want all of Scoland, just soem baronies, and I only want Louisiana. Out of curiousity what would you do with the Vatican?

<<I've already promised not to reproduce.>> Funny, I plan to reproduce whcih is very important for my Clan to continue as I am the last male. Well, if you don't reproduce then after you rule the world, Clan Forsyth shall
do it next. For now, I'll be content to be a toady to those in power, sort of like a Henry Kissinger.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 12, 2001 02:00:51 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

[Tim walks in wearing a NBC gas mask]

What do you think? US military surplus that I bought at a Pawn shop. not bad for $30. Needs new fillters but it'll have to do for now. What's that? I'm paranoid, you say? Normally i would agree, but...

"NEW YORK CITY, Oct. 12 � An NBC News employee has tested positive for anthrax after handling a letter filled with a �powdery substance� that arrived at NBC�s New York headquarters on Sept. 25, network officials said Friday. An FBI official said there was no evidence linking the case to either the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks or the outbreak of anthrax in Florida.

WORD OF THE fourth recent case of anthrax in the United States came in a memo from Andrew Lack, NBC�s president and chief operating officer, and Chairman and CEO Bob Wright.
The memo said that a female employee had tested positive for �cutaneous anthrax� � which is contracted through the skin rather than through breathing. That is a different type of the bacteria than the airborne type that infected three newspaper workers in Florida, one of whom died, and is not highly contagious, health officials said.
At a news conference shortly after the memo was distributed to NBC employees, Lack said the female employee, who was identified as a �Nightly News� staffer, was being treated with antibiotics and was expected to make a full recovery. The disease was detected after the employee, who was not identified, came down with �a low-grade fever and a bad rash,� said New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who also spoke at the news conference.
Giuliani said that out of �an excess of caution,� the third floor and two other portions of the network�s headquarters would be closed for several days while environmental tests are conducted. Network employees who may have come in contact with the letter also would be tested for anthrax and given antibiotics as a precaution, he said.

CALM URGED
�People should not overreact to this,� he said. �Everyone wants to go the extra lengths to assure that there are no problems.�
Meanwhile, a portion of the New York Times offices in Manhattan were evacuated while hazardous materials crews examined a letter containing a �powdery substance� similar to the letter sent to NBC. No other details on the incident were immediately available.
Barry Mawn, the head of the FBI�s New York office, said there was no evidence connecting the case to either the terrorist attacks or the anthrax outbreak in Florida. But he added, �We are in coordination with our Miami office to see if there (are) any similarities.�
Lack, Wright and Giuliani said at the news conference that the New York City Department of Health, the federal Centers for Disease Control and the FBI were notified shortly after the employee opened the suspicious letter, which was mailed to NBC�s headquarters at 30 Rockefeller Center.

TESTS INITIALLY WERE NEGATIVE
Multiple tests of the powder came back negative, but a skin biopsy of the employee came back positive for cutaneous anthrax. Officials at the White House said President Bush was informed of the new case early Friday.
The anthrax case was the first recent one reported outside Florida, where investigators have been attempting to identify the source of the deadly bacteria that has been detected in three workers at a company that publishes tabloid newspapers. One of the employees died.

The FBI reported Thursday that investigators have found traces of anthrax in the mailroom of the company�s office. As theories swirled about the origin of the anthrax, officials said there was no evidence it was stolen from a laboratory.
Federal officials began a criminal investigation into the source of anthrax contamination at the Boca Raton headquarters of American Media after a third person � 36-year-old Stephanie Dailey � tested positive for exposure Wednesday night.
Dailey, who worked in the mailroom of the tabloid The Sun with Ernesto Blanco, 73, who also had anthrax spores in his nasal passages, returned to work in temporary offices Thursday.
�I just want to say I�m fine,� she told a crowd of reporters from her front yard in nearby Boynton Beach.
She is taking antibiotics and has shown no symptoms of anthrax disease. Blanco has been in good condition in the hospital receiving antibiotics since Monday. Dailey refused to discuss how she may have come into contact with the bacteria, citing the ongoing investigation. She is an office services associate whose duties include receiving packages and delivering the mail."

Tim
Friday, October 12, 2001 02:00:45 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

Bon Weekend you beautiful people you,

Thought I'd stop by and see how things are.

Evolution> If you check your local listings anyone interested might find a recent PBS special called Darwin, which deals with evolution. Thought I might inject my own conventional wisdom about it. Evolution isn't strictly a 'survival of the fittest' doctrine. The strength of the theory is the first part, that lifeforms change and that these changes aid in adaptability. There are a lot of traits in all lifeforms that are neutral in the game of life. Hair in humans is a great example. Why we grow hair in some places and not in others? Armpit hair, what does this adaptation enable for us. Male patterened baldness, which I'm going through right now. Heck even the fact that men and women can grow their hair to different lengths. Evolution isn't goal oriented. Something traits like hair texture help. Kinky hair like mine helps in warmer climes where as straigh hair like my wife's helps in moderate ones. Hair color doesn't serve a physical adaptation, but a social one. The brighter or lusturous the hair, the strong visual que we get that this might be a suitable mate. Some traits are leftovers from early development stages like the patterns of where our hair grows.

As for Planet of the Apes scenario: Spoken language developed before sentience, but not by much. All animals have language, the question is to the degree. Most birdsongs are annoying, because they only repeat 'My tree' or 'I'm single and virile' or 'Get away! Get away' (And yet, Donald Duck still quacks me up.) How hominids got so luck? (This is Rahsaan shorthand of the events. Please look into it if your interested) Well, back in Africa there was an event, the one that caused the Great Rift Valley. Apes and the like to the south stayed much the same because the jungle remained the same. Those to the north were in the plains. In this new environment, it helped to stand. If you look over the high grass and see a lion, you can skedaddle. Once you start standing on two feet your windpipe and larynx are in a good position to vary your speech. And when sentience popped up a little later, you got hominids walking and talking.

I agree with Pat, the chance of separate species all developing the same specific trait is too improbable to happen randomly, but guided it could happen. For a natural occurance you'd need a trait that was common to each species from their root and the adaptation would need to prove a tremendous advantage. Another possibility might be competition induced. Chimps and benobos are close cousins and compet for the same resources. If chimps adapted to speech and it gave them an advantage, Benobos might develop a similar trait to keep competitive.

Quite a puzzling jumble in evolution.

Cartoons> Someone mentioned Tarzan the other week. I catch before classes. It has potential. There are some episodes that are simple kids fare, but there are some that show some smarts. Better than Hercules and slightly on par with Aladdin. I give it extra points i nthe fact that Jane and Tarzan are married, where as Aladdin and Jasmine were engaged for years before tying the knot. Kudos for the writers for realizing that adventures aren't over with marriage. Today's ep was the inevitable clip show with the equally inevitable reference to the man who started it all: Edgar Rice Burroughs. This was more little kids speed, but there have been others with a good story.

Transformers: I only have one question. Would it be wrong to hunt done the executives of Saban and the overseas makers of this offal. Now, I have some episodes of Generation 1 on tape and I'll admit, this isn't Masterpiece Theater, but this show is sometimes painful to watch. The Predacons are a bunch of buffons and the Autobots have to be equally clownish. I still don't get why they keep calling the Combaticons, Decepticons. They look the same, have the same robot and vehicle modes and form Bruticus the same way. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, calling it a eagle doesn't change anything.

X-men: I was kind of disappointed that the premiere put the mutants back in the closet. Something like that is bound to happen again, what does Xavier have in mind when it does? How does he plan on introducing mutants to the world? But I don't think those questions are going to be answered. Tabitha seems a little scattered. One minute, she's completely self-absorbed. Doing this or that for her own pleasure, taking stuff and not asking. Then the next she's attacked with a case of morals and doesn't want to do the same thing she's been doing all ep. If she's a wild child in need of control or little girl lost in need of love, I don't know. Like I said, she's pretty scattered. I hope Mystique returns. She was the most interesting character because of all her scheming.

Well, I've got to go. See you all soon.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 12, 2001 12:24:44 PM
IP: 24-205-118-23.wc-dyn.charterpipeline.com

Skippy - It IS an awesome movie. I managed to snag it off the network here not too long ago. I'ts definately worth seeing.
Gunjack "Someone please stop the room; I wanna Get Off" Valentine
Friday, October 12, 2001 11:46:22 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

#####D/FW FOLKS HEADS UP!!!#####
I just found out the anime movie Spriggan is playing at the Angelika film center in Dallas. From some of the previews I recall seeing for it this thing looks awesome. I don't know how long the engagement is but I thought you might want to know about it...
Skippy The Klingon - [skippytheklingon@tele-base.net]
Friday, October 12, 2001 08:52:03 AM
IP: ppp50.tele-base.net

Survivor > I might check it out once just to see this season's "hot babe" that everyone is talking about, but other than that, I've had enough "reality TV" to last me a good long while. As Drew Carey said the other night on "Who's Line" about the points not mattering, "Yes, the points are just like what the cast of 'Big Brother' is up to right now."

Carolyn Marie > While the "survival of the fittest" idea within theory of evolution makes it unlikely that two or more species will evolve simultaneously down similar paths and survive, nothing in the theory specifically forbids it from happening given the right circumstances. Of course... it also should be taken into account that in "Planet of the Apes", there was a mitigating factor - the apes that evolved were all descended from ones that humans had mucked around with genetically, trying to build a better ape.

Christine > You? Talk about porn? Get out of here. :P BTW... I think I need your new ICQ number.

Sex comment > I just read in the paper that Ambiance, the "store for lovers" has reported a 17% increase in sales of "toys" since September 11. I guess people are finding alternative diversions to make up for cancelled vacations. I wonder if this is one of the things GWB had in mind by "Getting on with the business of America."
Patrick Toman
Friday, October 12, 2001 07:08:34 AM
IP: ac9067f1.ipt.aol.com

IBM AS/400 0wns j0!!!

*hugs his Programming in COBOL/400 book and melts back into the shadows from which all mainframe programmers reside*
Traveler
Friday, October 12, 2001 06:20:46 AM
IP: ny-hamburg3a-220.buf.adelphia.net

Imzadi: 
Have you ever seen the manuals for the IBM AS/400 servers?
They take up a shelf. A BIG shelf.
Hell, I think rebooting is it's own 100 page manual!

More later.

j0, Spid3y. J00 d0|\|'t g07 |\|0 p0\/\/3rz,d4ts j00r |-|4ir sparkin.
1337 speaking d00d - Megatokyo
Fire Storm
Friday, October 12, 2001 03:19:51 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Today was nice and relaxing: I decided not to go to classes. I went to some office hours so I could get my homework done, but after midterms I need a break.

I'm not going to classes tomorrow either: FOUR DAY WEEKEND! ;-) But I do have to wake up before noon to drop off my homeworks at the various classes. Oh well, I'm sure 11:55 will do...even if I do walk into materials in my pajamas. (no, I don't actually sleep in pajamas...but I'd get arrested if I walked into materials wearing what I normally wear to bed).

I'm not sure how to celebrate my newfound freedom. But I'm sure I'll figure out something.

Ooh ooh new iBooks coming out soon...looks like I won't be waiting for winter break after all 8-) This means I'll have my own computer to use at the house and I won't be restricted to a choice of an iMac, my old Powerbook, or my dad's Wintel box.

Whoever said money can't buy happiness...was wrong.

I spent tonight doing next to ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I LOVE slacking off. I tried Virtual PC Beta for OS X. As much as I hate Windows, I have to confess that it does have its uses...like watching DivX's. I think that's about it. Anyway, the program is a bit slow in OS X, but it is a beta, so it'll get better as its altivec enhanced.

Prepare for a REALLY long set of replies.

Robby: <<double ban Greg just cause>>: I guess that's as valid a reason as any. <<National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes>>: Are they still suing over NAMBLA.com?

Wilek: Just when I think I'm gonna spend my day doing something productive, you go and do something like post. So much for that. <<laughs like the Pillsbury Doughboy, then goes on a five state killing spree>>: I always knew he was up to something. He always just seemed to cheerful. <<aren't in the daily habit of disgorging nature's foulest substance>>: Fouler than Jerry Falwell? <<Haven't read the novels, although perhaps I should start>>: Same here. <<He honestly sounds like he spends his days beating people to death with rubber chickens>>: Maybe he does, and that's the problem. <<There's no shame in knowing things>>: There is in somethings. For instance, if you can name all five members of ANY boy band, you should be ashamed (no, I can't, just in case you wanted to ask). <<Imagine a catgirl bodybuilding league>>: Ms. Universe will no longer be a body-building contest. Well, it will...sorta. <<has anyone here been to a Spencer's Gifts around Halloween? They have the most messed-up stuff>>: Bah, that's nothing. Aahs in LA is much worse. <<nobody being able to understand what the frell R2D2 is ever saying>>: I can. <<is it safe to assume that they're all very, very thin>>: No. Twiggy is out. They're not chubby, but they do have figures. <<Then...what did you need with the MP3s>>: Are they in MP3 format on the CD's themselves? Do I have to do anything complicated to rip them, as is often the case with game soundtracks? <<Why does no one do this?>>: Because that's not as much fun as letting go of your logical, thinking side. <<That's like calling the moon a big rock>>: It is a big rock. A REALLY big rock. <<keep them happy or they will simply uncreate your entire ancestry>>: Then I won't have to worry about it. <<since when did being a man equate to being a drooling pig>>: Since Adam, I think. <<Yet another rule to which I am the exception>>: I'm starting to wonder if you're really male. <<It sounds vaguely familiar, but>>: GARGOYLES. <<I've seen normal and I want no part of it>>: It pays every once in a while. <<please don't make me have to blow up the latter and excise the former from reality>>: Just for that, no country! <<Yes we do, the F-117a stealth fighter>>: That isn't the coolest looking fighter in the world. <<it's more of a light bomber, but that's splitting hairs>>: No, it IS a tactical bomber. There's no "fighter" about it. But "stealth bomber" was already taken. <<or I could watch Gside lead you into frothing madness. Hmm>>: The latter. Definitely the later. <<It'd be a great first line for a spell>>: Yes, yes it would. <<Kill Mother @$%@ing Depeche Mode>>: LOL no. It stands for some german expression. Though now the group is called MDFMK, so it hardly matters. <<Wonder how long it'll take to have him gibbering and hiding under desks>>: I don't hide under desks. <<Highly disturbing image>>: Yes, yes it is. <<Is it me, or does virtually all pornography that involves women conceptually if not literally involve their subjugation>>: Not all. I doubt even most. Just the stuff on TV. <<the show's gone so far down the toilet that I'm wondering if it's still worth it>>: You mean to say that the first episode didn't clue you in? <<Transhumanists are never quite appreciated>>: More like INhumanists. <<even if I were gay and sexual, I couldn't see the appeal of that particular approach. 'Cause, eww.>>: I believe my friend would say "hey, there's no accounting for tastes". <<And there goes my plan to lead Imzy into frothing madness>>; I don't froth, either. <<If I had like a terabyte of HD space, I'd probably rip my entire CD collection in case they get lost or stolen or suffer spontaneous massive existence failure or something>>: Welcome to my 100 GB MP3 library. <<Is it true that XP won't rip MP3s>>: Windows Media Player won't. But it does make WM4's, or whatever the stupid microsoft-proprietary format is. <>: OW. <<Someone please tell me that none of the people we've just ticked off have transcontinental strike capabilities>>: Well, obviously they can hijack aircraft. But can they launch from there? No way. <<The Walrus Was Wilek>>: Coo coo cah choo?

Patrick: <<could someone please point me to the part in the Constitution where it says the President must check his religion at the door prior to taking office?>>: Not saying that. Just saying he shouldn't assume we're all god-fearing christians. <<I'm pretty sure if it were Gore & Leiberman right now instead of Bush & Cheney, every speach would still be ending with "God Bless America.">>: Exactly my point about why that phrase doesn't bother me. <<given infinite parallel universes>>: Monkeys will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare. I hear they've already got Britney Spears' lyrics.

David G: <<or make them listen to Britteny Spears>>: You truly are a fellow Sadist.

Greg X: <<I'd go to work on December 25th if the bookstore I work at is open that day. I expect any Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, any non-Christian would also>>: I would. The problem is that the places that ARE open on X-mas are placed I'd NEVER work. Besides, Christmas is a jewish holiday too. Is the "go to the movies and eat chinese food" holiday (boy, those jews, any excuse to eat). <<Why does it seem that people are either Christians or Atheists in here>>: Most jews are actually atheists in disguise. <<we all know that the Jews are the ones that are right>>: Why did you select that particular religion. <<The Jews are smart, they don't have a Hell.>>: Does that make them smart, or just REALLY optimistic? <<No group is devoid of assholes>>: Especially this one ::glances at SJ:: <<Must we wish the curse of children upon them?! Haven't they suffered enough?>>: LOL! May I assume that you are a fellow non-breeder.

Baldy: <<Why do you hate the fact that I can manage quite well without my own car>>: All my friends who don't have cars drive me nuts. There's no reason I should have to shlep them to hell and back. <<As for which head... the one you're *supposed* to think with>>: That doesn't help.

Carolynn: <<Planet of the Apes scenario>>: Wow! What a GREAT essay question. We should have star trek feasability questions in physics. <<do we have to know that?>>: LOL! You're so sadistic. <<Falwell's moronic speech>>: Yes. Apparently the 11th was my fault. And all my friends, they helped too. <<orgies to look forward to.>>: When I am king... <<Unless, of course, the other person's a serial killer wanted in 8 states>>: ::whistles innocently:: <<IT IS REALLY REALLY HARD>>: Why bother? <<Alright, students>>: Don't ever call me that ;-) <<The whole point of evolution is for teh most well-equipped to survive and reproduce *expecting interesting comments from Josh's direction*>>: Alright dear would you like the perverted comments or the intelligent ones? The problem is that as a freak of science and sorcery myself (test tube child), I kind of counter all theory. After all, if my parents had trouble conceiving, then I should not be allowed to exist. People who can't conceive obviously aren't supposed to. But that also leads to things like "sick people should not be treated", because, lets face it, but those people are only poisoning the gene pool and pulling us toward the eventual demise of the human race by a collection of defects. Also, the question starts to become: "how do you define survive?" In this day and age, those that survive the best are no longer the most physically able. They're the ones with the most earning potential. They can afford medical care for their disease. They can eat well, produce children that will have high paying jobs long before losing their virginity. Kids like me. So technically, I need to be allowed to breed to create more kids like myself. In general, I have desireable traits for evolution. I'm in perfect health and free from physical defects (other than being really skinny). But ironically, I shouldn't exist in the first place. Jeez this is a complicated issue. And now for the perverted comments: "well equipped, huh? I don't think that dictates whether you can survive, and plenty of people manage to reproduce without being well equipped" The good news for humanity is that, whether I'm well equipped or not, I've already promised not to reproduce. Humanity will just have to do without my highly select genes.

Entity: <>: Ooh, suck. I'm glad my computer isn't repeatedly put on the streets (that's what I worked thsi summer for). <<Simple, you just don't touch the Bible>>: Well obviously you have to be at least a little familiar with it, otherwise you can't possibly hope to understand christianity. <<THANK YOU for those two cents on separation of Church and State>>: You're only saying that because you agree with me. <<We can't do more than one thing at a time?>>: welcome to the united states of multitasking.

Lain: <<sex sucks? MASTURBATE!!>>: I'll quote Blink 182 (who used to not suck): "there are only so many ways I can make love with my hand".

Green Baron: <<That is my ancestral right. I am also descended from MacBeth, so I ahve a right to Scotland, but all I want are soem baronies my family held until the seventeenth century. I also want Louisiana, which is only a backwoods third world land>>: Sorry, dude, but there are no "ancestral rights" to land when I rule. The US and Scotland are already spoken for. <<get a haircut, lay off the dope, put on a suit, take some business courses, and GET A JOB!>>: LOL perfect! <<Even Jesus kicked some butt, though only once.>>: He beat Satan at boxing. <<Why are you posting to yourself?>>: Everyone in here is a bit...off. <<That is a bit exclusive and fundamentalist>>: The key words were "IN THAT FASHION". There just aren't any other documents that every American should be forwards and backward familiar with. Except maybe "Hitchhikers Guide", but that's another argument. <<If I get elected, I'll have the Papal Nuncio to the Vatican bless the Inauguration and if the Pope visits the US, I will greet him by kissing his ring on National TV>>: You just ensured that the world will vote me world leader before electing you to any office.

Moochie: <<They don't have medicine for what I've got>>: Truly a great movie.

FS: <<Define 'female'>>: You have serious issues. <<Berkeley still has a killer Nuclear Physics program?>>: Oh yeah, despite the efforts to make Berkeley a "nuclear free zone". <>: Fired? I quit. <<act drugged like the other bad Willow>>: You mean the vampire Willow? <<God came forth and created the TI-83, and it was sweet>>: Until the TI-92 stomped its ass. <<bluff his way out of a paper bag>>: You do realize that there is no way to bluff yourself out of a paper bag. <<You don't want an IBM-class manual on Office>>: I don't!? How else would I find out about all the features?

Ravyn: <<do guys really think Chyna's hot?>>: No. Like FS, muscle does NOT do it for me. But then again, what kind of a nut woman wants to taylor herself to my tastes? <<Great job on the midterms>>: Thanks! <<how are Thermodynamics and Dynamics? Are they tough classes>>: Thermo I don't have to take (and I'm sure as hell not going to) and dynamics is a cakewalk. Or it would be, if I could stop screwing up royally on the midterms.

Queen of Pain: <<chocolate to Josh>>: I love you. <<When will you realize I am your God>>: When I stop worshipping myself.

Metaldemon: <>: I didn't tell him anything.

DPH: <>: What? AI's can't write checks? <<Yes, I will be sending you a check for $150 upon receipt of the package>>: Kickass. Then I won't have to come to your house and beat you to death with a rubber hose. I know where you live. <<Is there a contest going on behind the scenes for biggest current poster in the CR? If there is, I'd say it looks like Wilek is in the lead>>: Wait just a minute. My posts, while shorter, are FAR more frequent. I'd say I put far more words in here than Wilek. <<don't you know that the only place to stores notes is on your PC>>: Palm Pilot. <<Produce one piece of software that is fully documented>>: In a pigs eye! Even Apple can't do that, and their software is a tenth of the size.

Smut Pandering Bitch Queen of All Creation: <<I'd always rather talk about porn>>: You? What would you know about porn!? ;-)

Sevarius Jr: <<I'm posting this, despite being banned by Robby>>: Just can't keep a good man down. <<We all agree that Entity is a religion-hating Un-American heathen, right>>: Oh absolutely. As a fellow right-wing Catholic... <<But I think that whole, "Don't educate the women" concept has some merits>>: "There's nothing more dangerous than a woman with an opinion." <<This is actually a very easy question for a "smart mark">>: Or a TOTAL REDNECK. <<Oh great, now I'm all�.stimulated. And the orgy idea sounds intriguing too>>: LOL! <<This CR is a psychologists dream. I think there's at least 4 of us who have serious God complexes>>: Me, me, me...and who else? What about all the OTHER complexes in here? <<buffed up and manly for me>>: Manly chicks = scary. <<She's hot, she's got HUGE new implants, AND she's the boss' daughter>>: Yeah, but Eliza Dushku won't fall over.

Gside: <<Imzdi'd better keep them seduced>>: This is me you're talking about. <<That's me right there>>: that's all of us. <<on the plus side, you get snow>>: I'm sorry, but how is that a plus? <<you said you were against something that prevents the better people(/porcupines) from getting the jobs>>: Yes, but given equal abilities, there's no reason to higher straight porcupines over gay ones. <<but the vinyl is much more likely to just be a joke than something more tame than Daddy>>: Speculate away, sir. I can't seem to disuade you. <<You're working for a threesome>>: Could I have picked two women any further from me? Niamh in Boston and Fleur in Australia? <<The plants seem to like it>>: As do the dogs. <>: I rarely jibber. <<They're allegedly erogenous zones>>: Depending on the woman, they may or may not be. <<something moving is more likely to kill you than something that doesn't>>: And breasts have taken many a man to his doom. <<there's that whole providing sustenance for the first however long of your life>>: Sounds like as good a cause as any for a fixation. <<Though we've got a Jew or two>>: Technically I'm Jewish. Culture-wise, anyway. <<Though perhaps you might want to take up Imzadi's religious observance: no work on fridays>>: I'm thinking of adding Saturday to it. By the time I graduate, I'll be religiously forbidden from working. Period.

Alright folks, crashing. Tired.

I don't want you to think of five as half of ten.
-Kendra Eyer, Math 54 discussion 214

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, October 12, 2001 03:08:51 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-25-247.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Entity> <<42 step>>: And the conductors would probably make each dotted half a beat.
<>: But Gav might get some, and who'd work on the Keen servers then? Imzdi'd better keep them seduced.

Lady Mystic> <<the forum's past -- ...the humorous, the idiotic>>: That's me right there.

Imzadi> <<that school would be cold in the winter>>: But on the plus side, you get snow.
<<does it get old faster than cheese?>>: I like old cheese. I could like to get my hands on some cheddar that is older than me.
<<generally we don't count anything in music that takes less than a 1/64 of a second>>: But if you're at 120 bpm, that's still about a tenth.
<<I'm an equal opportunity porcupine employer>>: But you said you were against something that prevents the better people(/porcupines) from getting the jobs.
<<You might as well speculate on me and her>>: True, but the vinyl is much more likely to just be a joke than something more tame than Daddy.
<<Well how about that Niamh's posts are only matched (on the female side) by Fleur, and that my posts to her (however infrequent) are also very long?>>: You're working for a threesome.
<<that just didn't seem to have any relevance here>>: That's never stopped me.

Robby> <>: Aw. And I didn't even touch Moonbeam. I don't think I've even taken a hard position on this entire matter.

Wilek> <<nature's foulest substance>>: It's only partially digested food, with various intestinal bacteria. The plants seem to like it.
<>: Oops. Eh, there are better ways to generate frothing madness than a simple reference for which he was not present. A reference to something utterly bizzare (in and of itself, not nested bizzare), yes.
<<Wonder how long it'll take to have him gibbering and hiding under desks>>: I think he might just join in.
<<the history of the Net, and of the universities that, if I'm not mistaken, supported it in its early civilian days>>: Can't forget ARPA and the military side of things. Oddly enough, Reinventing Comics has a brief history of the internet. Also, reading the Jargon File will give you some of an idea.
<<And why the obsession with *this*?>>: They're allegedly erogenous zones, anything moving tends to attract attention (instinct: something moving is more likely to kill you than something that doesn't), then there's that whole providing sustenance for the first however long of your life.
<<You've never seen B5?>>: Not really, but I've read Carrol. Or was it the White Queen that had the whole jam thing. I think it was, right before the brooch incident.
<<My first was the Timedancer theme>>: I meant one of the first that I posted, but that too.
<<Where...did you hear this?>>: One of my roomies, but the character select screen I just found only has 19.
<<Spoilsport>>: Sorry.

Greg> <<Why does it seem that people are either Christians or Atheists in here?>>: Probability. Though we've got a Jew or two.

Warpmind> <<And the fun is just beginning>>: Not until you get it written and uploaded.

Carolynn> <<As the Italians say as they're vrooming around on their motoscooters>>: You haven't met Shadowrider, have you? Hopefully he's doing well.

Lain> <<isnt that enough to make your whole day?>>: Come to Douglass. Even though it's full of lesbians, the college (not university, that's the Targum) paper (the Caelian.) has a regular article by "Girl on Top." That, and the Medium is always happy to include suich items in their pages. Either as porn or in comparative reviews.
Gunjack> Good luck to your roomie.
<<They don't have medicine for what I've got...>>: "You know the kind of cancer you get better from?" "Yeah." "That ain't the kind I've got." Sorry, that was just free association. Though perhaps you might want to take up Imzadi's religious observance: no work on fridays.

Fire Storm> <<From Eskimos to Pandas>>: And barleycorn, sorcerors, and ducks in between.
<<More like the stuff Stileproject has>>: Ah. I get enough of that from the Medium. Though they've been rather tame recently. I blame the loss of Garrett Glick.
<<The colors, man. The COLORS!>>: I'm gleaming the cube.
<<Is that the mother?>>: I thought Shinta was the guy, and his mom was just referred to as Shinta's Horny Mom. Though she does have a name somewhere.
<<what if she had a daughter?>>: She wouldn't have had to do the ruler scene.
<<The traditional ideas of 'male' and 'female' don't really apply here>>: So if you are neither, you are not female.
<>: What about Princeton Plasma Physics?

Ravyn> <<do guys really think Chyna's hot?>>: Bustier? Sure. Oh, you mean Chyna, not Chiana.

Patrick> <<as compared to Lincoln, for exampe>>: People hated his speeches up until he shocked them with Gettysburg. Debating's probably something else, though.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Friday, October 12, 2001 01:29:16 AM
IP: wc01-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

I'm posting this, despite being banned by Robby! ;) I defy you, sir!

Okay, quick survey: We all agree that Entity is a religion-hating Un-American heathen, right?

Sorry for the joke, Entity, but it does seem as if you're getting a little bit from every side lately. ;)

Survivor Stuff: Well, I don't know if anyone else in here watched the third season of Survivor. I�sort of half watched it. Like many, I've pretty much burnt out on Survivor. That was before the 11th. Now, just forget it. I've had my fill of real TV. Been seeing a lot of real TV since the 11th.

But from what I did see of the new season, I have just a couple comments:

One, there's really only one hot babe this season. It's the security guard from Florida. She has this wonderful Puerto Rican look to her. Nice.

And two, I applaud CBS for just finally going all out and including a big, fat, dumb redneck racist in the cast. Anyone catch this guy? He was on the losing tribe. I don't know his name, since I only half-watched the show, but this guy is a HUGE prick (from what I saw, at least). First off, he's fatter than Big Gay Richard was in the first season, which is no easy feat. AND he was giving the only African American member of his tribe the business this episode. Here's the story: blah blah blah, some stuff I don't know cause I didn't watch it, black guy eats food without asking the others, they yell at black guy. Jesus, the brothers don't fare well on these Survivor shows. Too many people against them. Anyway, this fat 'neck is just loudmouthing the guy. Then he gets onto him because, at the beginning of the show, the guy was giving what I shall describe as a "not traditionally white boy" handshake to everyone. Apparently, this must have rubbed Cletus the slack-jawed yokel the wrong way, because he was all, "I ain't gonna shake yer hand that way again, that's yer way of shakin' hands, not mine. I shake yer hand, it's gonna be my way, like a man." I swear, I was ready for him to say, "I ain't gonna shake hands with no coloured folk, you hear me, BOY?" God, he was a dick. If I was the other guy, I would have been voted off immediately, because I would have kicked his fat cracker ass.
Anyway, kudos to CBS. You have to have respect for a network that will go out of its way to cause inner conflict on its show.

What bothers me about religion: What I truly hate about religion, is the arrogance of its followers.
You get it from everyone. You'll get your Christians who want to adopt a "moral superior" attitude, in which they think that they are just soooo much better than anyone of another faith or those who have no faith at all. You'll get your Islamic folks who believe that all other religions are blasphemy against Allah. And you'll get your atheists who can be so ridiculously condescending that, should you dare to even mention you are religious towards them, they will laugh at and ridicule with such glee that it's disturbing.
Now, you can say, "well, those people are just assholes". Yeah, that's true, but there are quite a few of them. I went to a parochial school for a time. I met a lot of Christians (if they can really call themselves that) who acted as if they deigned to interact with someone of another faith. As if it was all a whim to them. And, yeah, sorry, I've met a WHOLE LOT of atheists (mostly in college) who, bluntly, were down right ANTAGONISTIC to anyone of a religious faith. I'm not talking just disagreed with their point of view, I'm talking they met people of faith with nothing but disrespect and disdain.
Fortunately, I've met people from different faiths that were truly understanding of others. I've met atheists, and I proudly call some of them my friends, who are incredibly respectful of my faith (what little I show of it) and that of others. But I see so much of this crap that it's just part of what has soured me on organized religion. Instead of going out and actually learning something from your religion of choice, it seems as if most people just spend their time bitching at one another or others about dogma and doctrine.

Anthrax scare: Yeah, they found anthrax in Florida. At first, everyone was real scared. Then we all found out it was in that American Media tabloid building, and we all collectively said, "Oh. Hmm. Well, maybe it's not so bad after all." Kind of took the sting out of it, huh?

Taliban treatment of women: I've seen the film footage of them beating their women. I think it's awful. It's a horrible crime against humanity.
But I think that whole, "Don't educate the women" concept has some merits�.

Wilek: If I can't get my dose of Wilekian Wackiness � in here, than I'd love to have it in email form! (That's a not so subtle hint that I'd like your email address. I thought I had it, but I seemed to have misplaced it�) <<Hm...'nother wrestling question: When and why did Hulk become such a...punk? I seem to remember people thinking he was the coolest thing ever back in the 80s. (Didn't he have an animated series? Oh there's a great influence for the kiddies. But anyway.) But a few years ago, I saw him knocking a guy down and spraypainting his chest on a commercial or something. Quoi?>> Again, let me surprise you with my knowledge of all things unimportant, in this case, pro wrestling. This is actually a very easy question for a "smart mark" like me to answer. Here's the long and long of it: For years, more like over a decade, Hulk Hogan was a top "Face" (that's inside wrestling terminology for a good guy. The villains are called "heels".) in pro wrestling. He came to national attention in the long defunct AWA, went on to superstardom in the WWF, and in the mid-90s, he moved to WCW. He was there a little over a year, as a face, but it wasn't working. This was the time in which anti-heroes like "Stone Cold" Steve Austin were becoming very popular, and the fans no longer wanted to see Hogan in his "Real American Hero" good guy gimmick. So, in 1996, they turned him heel. In the world of pro wrestling, it was literally one of the most shocking events ever, and it changed the face of the business (mainly because it led to WCW defeating WWF in the ratings for quite some time). It was huge. To put it in comic book terms, it would be like Superman all of a sudden saying, "Enough of this hero crap", and just becoming an evil tyrant. It was just unheard of. Hogan, as a heel, led the "New World Order" faction (nWo for short) to prominence (the tagging with spraypaint was a signature move of the group), which basically caused WCW to become the number one wrestling promotion in the world. He remained heel for quite some time, until July of 2000, in which he was sort of fired, on live television. He's looking to start his own wrestling promotion now. The ironic thing about Hogan's heel turn is that it's well known in the wrestling community (even casual marks know this) that Hogan, in real life, is just a huge dick. He's as selfish a jackass as they come. So it wasn't a huge stretch to play a bastard on camera. And yes, he did have a short-lived cartoon show in the mid / late 80s. I think it was called "Hulk Hogan's Rock N' Wrestling", during the very dark time when the WWF was trying to build a name for itself by aligning with musical acts like Cyndi Lauper and Alice Cooper. Shameful. It was an awful cartoon, but at least it featured an animated version of one of the best wrestling promo artists of all time, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (star of the Keith David classic, "They Live"). Now see? I told you I know far more about this than I should. <<I've seen those in ToyFare, and I want them RIGHT FRELLING NOW.>> I feel like Pacino in the Godfather 3. Just when I thought I was over He-Man, I get pulled back into it. I have to admit, the new sculpts are damn cool.

Carolynn: <<BTW, finished reading Neil Gaimain's "American Gods". Maybe I'll post a review this week or next if I got time.>> I'd like to see it. I'd like to hear another impression of the book from (I presume) a fellow Gaiman fan. <<Preacher Comics>> I love them too. Yeah, some of the stuff in there can offend, but if you do believe in God, you have to be able to come to terms with it all and realize where Ennis is coming from. Personally, though, I'd never put down a book that has given us Arseface (one of my top picks for best comic book character ever), no matter how offensive (and it gets VERY offensive later on). <<hey, at least we have vomitoriums and orgies to look forward to.>> Oh great, now I'm all�.stimulated.
And the orgy idea sounds intriguing too.

Spacebabie: This CR is a psychologists dream. I think there's at least 4 of us who have serious God complexes. ;) And thanks for the PB cups!!!

Ravyn: <<Okay, do guys really think Chyna's hot? ;)>> Well, not really. But I'll give her a quasi-complement: I remember what she used to look like, before the surgery, and she looks 100% better now. Which is actually a little frightening. But yeah, she does look a little too buffed up and manly for me.

HHH traded her in for Stephanie McMahon. Good move by him, I say. She's hot, she's got HUGE new implants, AND she's the boss' daughter. That's a hat trick right there.
The hottest woman in pro wrestling, IMO, though, is Stacy Keibler. God DAMN. Best in-ring technique for any female.
But my poor, lost little Daffney is second. I miss you, you insane little bitch.

"Shut up, stupid! Go back to Mayberry and get stomach cancer! You STINK!"
--- Jim Norton

Sevarius "Private Joker" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 12, 2001 01:08:07 AM
IP: 66-44-61-82.s336.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

<<Which leads to the sad realization that Goliath and Elisa could never have kids unless science or sorcery got involved>>

Oh, c'mon. Goliath and Elisa have/had to deal with Xanatos, Demona, the Pack, Macbeth, Hunters, Quarrymen, the Illuminati, Unseelies, Thailog and a whole lot of other crap. Must we wish the curse of children upon them?! Haven't they suffered enough?! ;)
Greg Bishansky
Friday, October 12, 2001 12:26:29 AM
IP: dialin-570-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hey, folks. Gathering donations for Habitat for Humanity so I can earn a cardboard box to sleep in tomorrow night ... no, dorm costs haven't gotten THAT expensive, it's for charity. And Saturday we're going back to the work site with Carol and Buck, the kick-arse couple who bought the 200 year old house and are revamping it for foster kids. I'm donating two horse saddles for the newly donated ponies for the kids to ride as well as two bags of toddler-friendly Halloween candy. The place is shaping up nicely. More info as it arrives.

GB< <<Ancient Rome was a perverted Empire that fell because the Emperors were a bunch of idiots with lead diets and the military was composed of mercenaries. >>

What's scary is many people say that we're the next Roman Empire, so we'd better be VERY careful ... but, hey, at least we have vomitoriums and orgies to look forward to.

JAN< Thanks, I appreciate it alot! :) It might take me awhile because the story outline is still in skeletal form and its midterm time, but I'm glad I can now say I have connections ;D

CHRISTINE< Ahhhhhh, gotta love those assumers. Well, y'know what they say about when you ASSUME ...

Interestingly enough, I had to go to a 2 and a half hour Religion lecture tonight *ZZzzzzz ... zuh? Wha?* and both speakers talked about evangelism. I couldn't understand the first guy because of his accent, and the second guy just annoyed me. According to him, evangelism is wrong, stupid, (fill in other insulting adjective here) because some evangelists "sell" their religion. Now, I haven't many any evangelists, so I can't truly formulate whether or not this is true. BUT, if evangelists are supposedly against other people's religions and that's wrong, this guy was doing the exact same thing by trashing them. I mean, he was seriously going at it. Funny how some people will harp on something then do just what they said was wrong... though both speakers were Christian and I wish they got a little more diversity in that regard, like Hindu or Buddhist leaders or something. I guess a pagan speaker would be too much to ask for. We have a while yet before you can really be open about that...

PATRICK< there are buttheads no matter where you go, regardless of race, creed, orientation, sex, and age (I find this reassuring ... we ARE all one race, and we ARE all messed up!). I understand about the pagan/wiccan thing; I've met pagans who constantly defend themselves and are surprised to learn that I'm pagan, too (ie. "Why aren't you talking about it and defending yourself also?"). I've also met born-again Christians who really go into defending their choice, too, so you'd be suprised the similarities we as a human race share. Surprised, or depressed ;) I don't both telling people my beliefs unless they ask; stuff like that's usually personal and most folks don't want to hear about it anyway, unless it's a big discussion like what's going on in here.

That's kind of the beauty of the internet sometimes: you can share ideas, beliefs, dreams, and stories and really get to know someone without color, race, and excess crud getting in the way, because you never truly know who the other person is, which is good in this case. Unless, of course, the other person's a serial killer wanted in 8 states :)

I purposely toned down my language for DPH in this post so far. And lemme tell you, man, IT IS REALLY REALLY HARD!! *L* That tells me something right there ... it might improve my baby-sitting skills to do so in real life.

PATRICK AGAIN< Okay, about the 'Planet of the Apes' thing: hehehehe ... *cracks fingers* Alright, students, we know from this semester that evolution is distinctly non-linear but branches out. Species A does not evolve into Species B which evolves into Species C. A becomes B, which splits into C and D, and from D splits into E while C becomes extinct. That's an example of branching. So the chance of orangutans, chimps, and apes (three distinctly separate species as they can't interbreed) evolving culture and vocal cords for evolved language AT THE EXACT TIME IN THE EXACT SAME WAY is nil. We must also consider that evolution is a way for species to survive ("survival of the fittest"). Only the most well-equipped individuals in a population will survive to pass on these helpful traits to their offspring. Thus, ill-equipped humans wouldn't survive to reproduce (and thus resulting in voiceless, dumb creatures from the PotA movies). The whole point of evolution is for the most well-equipped to survive and reproduce *expecting interesting comments from Josh's direction* :D

Which leads to the sad realization that Goliath and Elisa could never have kids unless science or sorcery got involved.

DPH< here are hidden messages in lots of things. >>

I may have missed this ... what are you referring to?

SPACEBABIE< Peanutbutter cups and chocolate galore! *drools* Hey, throw some my way! *waves and jumps up and down*

Finished reading "American Gods" by Neil Gaimain. I'm a HUGE Sandman and Books of Magic fan, but I'm not quite sure what to make of this book; it's not quite a mess, but it sure is freakin' weird, even for Gaimain. More in-depth review to follow when I have more time (and it's not after midnight).

PREACHER COMICS< Gods, but do I love these. I'm only up to issue number two. I'm not even Christian but I still got insulted ... and interested ... insulted again ... then started loving them. They really have a twisted view on things, but that's what's so awesome. And who can't love a trigger happy chick named Tulip? :) Preacher's grandma was a bitch, though (sorry, DPH, almost made it to the end).

I always found the Books of Magic pretty cool. Timothy Hunter is like the antithesis of Harry Potter ... and they both even LOOK alike. Strange ... or a good example of a hushed copyright infringement.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Friday, October 12, 2001 12:13:19 AM
IP: pc169-196.drew.edu

Robby> Gee, I haven't been in trouble since junior high! And the scary thing is if you banned all of us on your list, this room might actually be a realistic family!
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, October 12, 2001 12:00:41 AM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Christine> Jaques Lacan is the French psychoanalyst who was one of the proponents of post-modernism and post-structuralism. Supposed to be real famous and such; I can't understand him to save my life :)
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:12:27 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

PATRICK <<But I _have_ encountered atheists, wiccans, and others who hold, for lack of a better term, less mainstream beliefs who for some reason feel it necessary to be _constantly_ defensive to the point of annoyance... as if they feel the need to win everyone's approval as a form of self-validation. So that's the personal experience that colors part of yesterday's rant>>

Those people are assholes. From my experience there are creeps and assholes everywhere, from every race, religion, ethnic group. You name it. No group is devoid of assholes.

But when it comes right down to it, tear down the labels and groups and we're all human beings, and the majority of us are assholes. If it wasn't religion, it'd be something else. I'm secure enough in my beliefs that I don't need to be all defensive about it, I wasn't a year ago I'll admit, but I am now. I respect other people and their beliefs, and I hope they'll respect mine, if not... doesn't bother me, that's their problem

Oh well, enough rambling from me.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:34:53 PM
IP: dialin-570-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Religion > I'm neither a Christian nor an atheist. Nor am I a pagan, as one clown at my old work assumed I _must_ be because I wrote fantasy. I suppose I'd say I'm agnostic. I believe in spiritual forces, but I ... well, basically ... I don't trust any organized religion. That'll probably get me all sorts of grief, but it's the way I feel.

Metaldemon > I may have been a psych major, but I never even heard of Jacques Lacan. Who's that?

Josh > it's sad but true -- I went to HSU, right there in the Emerald Triangle, and never smoked pot. Then again, I observed so much of it growing up that, like the alcohol issue, it failed to interest or impress me.

Robby > I'd always rather talk about porn ... shall I go first? ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:14:06 PM
IP: 12-205.075.popsite.net

G.W. Bush will probably never go down in history as one of the great orators to hold the Presidency (as compared to Lincoln, for exampe), but I think he handled things well in tonight's press conference and did a very good job answering the questions put to him and restating the points he's been trying to make all along about who the enemy is and what kind of war we are fighting.

Green Baron > Agnostic? My parents were raised Catholic, and in recent years have both returned to practicing. I attended Lutheran schools until fourth grade, when we moved across the state from Toledo to Cleveland. So I've always considered myself a Christian, even though I've not yet chosen which denomination to pigeonhole myself into.

A general comment to add regarding my comment yesterday > Throughout the course of school, college, and work, I've been fortunate to have had the opportunity to become friends with a number of practicing Jews and Muslims as well as other Christians. And though there are many times that I can recall in which religion had been a topic of discussion, it was always as more of a sharing of different ideas and learning more about each other kind of thing... never adversarial. I've never had personal experience in encountering a Christian, Jew, or Muslim who made it a point to continuously and loudly remind everyone of their beliefs. But I _have_ encountered atheists, wiccans, and others who hold, for lack of a better term, less mainstream beliefs who for some reason feel it necessary to be _constantly_ defensive to the point of annoyance... as if they feel the need to win everyone's approval as a form of self-validation. So that's the personal experience that colors part of yesterday's rant.

And as a last comment on the relgion stuff, anyone insisting that Jesus never got angry or acted physically to interfere when he saw a wrong being done, please refer to the sections of the New Testament describing Jesus's encounter with the money changers in the Temple. Even Jesus had a temper and could be made to reach a point where He would not turn a blind eye.

Caroyln Marie > Given infinite parallel universes, a "Planet of the Apes" scenario is certainly possible. In fact, given infinite parallel universes, "All things are true." ;)

Skippy > Don't think I've said "Welcome back" yet, so welcome back. :)

Patrick Toman
Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:00:46 PM
IP: ac816fd9.ipt.aol.com

DPH: <Here's a challenge problem for MicroShaft: Produce one piece of software that is fully documented.>
Be careful what you ask for. You don't want a IBM-class manual on Office.

YEAH! I get to go home now.
Fire Storm
Thursday, October 11, 2001 09:52:24 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Imzadi - I received your email. I am looking forward to delivery. BTW, I assume that since my check was cashed, that you do believe in my existance and that I am not some AI. Unemployment isn't as bad as it sounds: except for the lack of income, it isn't that bad. Yes, I will be sending you a check for $150 upon receipt of the package.

GXB - let me rephrase it better for you: It'd take a single post that would get someone banned or a hair away from being banned before I think the post should be considered for deletion.

Frankly, this area has a better gripe on language than the Power Ranger Central Ezboard. You'd think the language/content would be watched and strict, but no, I wouldn't want a kid out there.

I saw parts of the South Park episode where Jesus fought Satan. No, I don't plan on deliberately watching that show again.

Why we have an ambassador to the Vatican? I'm also assuming that said person has to be a Catholic.

Is there a contest going on behind the scenes for biggest current poster in the CR? If there is, I'd say it looks like Wilek is in the lead.

Carolynn Marie - there are hidden messages in lots of things.

My goal is to get this post completed by 9pm CST.

6578 - ten cybercookies to the 1st person who can guess the significance of this number. Here's a hint: this number was presented to me while doing a process on my computer.

Warpmind - don't you know that the only place to stores notes is on your PC?

Another CR villian? I found DisHarmony again. She has been extremely busy trying to make sure that we do nothing to prevent future terrorist attacks by making us argue over things that aren't that imporant.

Here's a challenge problem for MicroShaft: Produce one piece of software that is fully documented.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Thursday, October 11, 2001 09:26:46 PM
IP: max1-70.cwy.cei.net

****** Religioun stuff*******
GB> <<...a God who likes formality and structure.>>
I imagine God told you personally?
<<...or else Christianity just becomes a philosophy...>> How so? You don't have to sit through mass to worship God. It takes more than just attending church; it takes LIVING.
<<Actually, our religion doesn't demand pacifism.>>
I don't know about you, but Luke 6,27-36 convinces me to be a pacifist. What good is forgiveness if you fight. Forgiving is about forgiving no matter what.
<<esepcially when one third of the US Military si Roman Catholic.>>
All that means is, is that they are Catholic...which doesn't mean anything. It doesn't make the military divine and holy. They are men and are prone to bad decisions, being Catholic doesn't give you an automatic ticket to making the best decisions and being perfect.
<<Now, I don't like war and my Detachment Commander loves peace,>>
So then try not to have a war and try for peace. You can say it all you want, but if you never try for it, it amounts to nothing.
<<Even Jesus kicked some butt, though only once.>>
No he didn't. When? If this is a Catholic tale, as I have read a bunch of them, then I won't give it much weight since I found what the Church used to tell me to be grounded in their own wants, and not God's.
Sometimes we do have to go to war, indeed. However, that doesn't mean God supports it; it doesn't mean God wants it; it doesn't mean God is going to bless it, even if you ask God a million times. It just means that WE want it. The only war I find worthy enough to be "good" is WWII and the Civil War. War for money is horrid and an abomination. War for vengence is even worse.
To be honost, I would rather you be at home than in the army. I'm not saying I am not appreciative of anything you are doing, I would just rather you not be sent out, if it ever happened, to kill poeple.
On another note, you do have validity in your statements that being Christian should not be pacifism: "And if anyone hears my words and does not listen, I do not condemnd him...." So...take it to mean what you want.
On side note: I'm normally not preachy like this, it's just when religious debates come up, I pull from texts since that's what I am trained to do in Philosophy and English.
*****End******
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, October 11, 2001 09:18:11 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

D'oh thats suposed to be gift giving not git giving.
Spacebabie
Thursday, October 11, 2001 09:02:50 PM
IP: proxy.iad3.netsetter.com

Good speach made by the president.

Although I know it pissed off some that were waiting to watch the new survivor tonight. It looks like its coming on now. I already looked at the list of people Two of them are from Central Florida, Saw the new Colleen/Elizabeth and there is a new cutie from Texas.

Well I just finished a caramel apple and no none for you ::In Cartman voice::My caramel not yours. ::Back to regular voice:: but since I'm generous

Gives candy to eveyone including chocolate to Josh and Peanutbutter cups to Sevarius jr.

Anthrax>>>The count is now 3

MoonBeam's post>>>::Rolls eyes:: Ok thanks for the laugh

Lain>>>Lol that banner.

Relion>>>Heathens all of you! When will you realize I am your God? I give you grain, I give you wood, I give you rain. Do I need to smash your bodies against the side of a mountain or feed you to my Bull? Oh wait I'm not playing Black and White.

But seriously I think Carolyne Marie summed up best I also agree that the president shouldn't hide his religion.

Christmas and Atheists>>>>Christmas is the Christian holiday. Atheists celibrate the annualy, house decorating, tree chopping, turkey eating git giving holiday. I think its called the Santaclause holiday or Xmas.

All for now Gotta watch survivor.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Thursday, October 11, 2001 09:01:06 PM
IP: proxy.iad3.netsetter.com

I agree, Bush did give a great press conference. He was well-spoken and even witty during it. I couldn't help but chuckle at his response to that reporter that said she had a follow up to her question.

I didn't vote for him, but like Entity said, he's the right person to lead right now.

JAN> Thanks :)
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, October 11, 2001 08:53:33 PM
IP: dialin-570-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Green Baron> <<<The Pope and the new US Ambassador to the Vatican paryed a Hail Mary for us right after the attacks. What is your take there?>>> I have no problem with that. The US Ambassador is not First Citizen.

Gunjack> <<<You shot me in the back, I smacked you in the wang.>>> LOL.

Jan> <<<If he was of the Islam faith and was reading from the Koran, then he would read it as if it was the truth>>> Hmmm... touche. But Islam is a minority in this nation, and Christianity is the standard. In either case, I would simply appreciate recognition of the fact that what someone may BELIEVE (you do call yourselves "believers" don't you?) isn't what IS, in the minds of ALL Americans. Mabe that's fickle political correctness. *shrug*

President Bush> I'd just like to add that I'm watching the President's press conference right now on TV, and I'm finding myself quite impressed. For once he's not reading off cue cards. I've never, ever seen him in any kind of official appearence where he wasn't repeating rehearsed words. He does MUCH better at ad-lib.

Also of note: It's "his" government. ;) He's really coming off as a one-man team. Everything is "I." But you know what? This is what I've needed to hear. Maybe he's not just a puppet of his party, after all. I'm liking this "at ease" Bush much more than his old pastic self. I'm hoping his people REALIZE how much better he comes off this way.

I'm ready to say it: Despite all my differences with Bush, in light of this crises, I think he is the man to lead.
Entity
Thursday, October 11, 2001 08:34:14 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Ravyn: <Okay, do guys really think Chyna's hot?>
No. Actually, hell no.
Muscle does NOT turn me on.
Fire Storm
Thursday, October 11, 2001 08:14:32 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Wilek> <<Your loss. Not to mention Coyote's. :P>> **sticks her tongue out at him and winks** ;) Ah, well...if you can get Coyote to talk me into it... ;) Okay, do guys really think Chyna's hot? ;)

Robby> Ban? Me? Don't make me come over there. j/k ;)

Josh> Great job on the midterms. ;) Hey, just out of curiousity, how are Thermodynamics and Dynamics? Are they tough classes? ;) <> Lucky. ;)

Lady Mystic> Glad you're feeling better!

Greg X> Great post. Diversity rules, and I agree about the religion/government thing. ;)

**sighs** That said, I might take a little break from posting in here... don't have a real reason why, I guess I just feel like I need to take some time off... I'll probably still pop in every now and then, and I might still read in here... **shrugs** Ah, who knows. I'll be around.
Ravyn
Thursday, October 11, 2001 08:00:32 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

SKippy: <Anybody ever hear of an old Peter Sellers movie called "The Mouse That Roared"?>
Na. That shows intelligence.
These people don't realize that we will bomb them until they are very dead.

Gside: <I'll get around to the pandas eventually>
Cool! From Eskimos to Pandas!
<You mean the dissected anime chicks?>
Na. More like the stuff Stileproject has.
<Trippy>
The colors, man. The COLORS!
<Just Shinta>
Is that the mother?
Makes me wonder... what if she had a daughter?
<but none of us are female. Or at least we don't claim to be>
Define 'Female.' I mean, my species monarchy is kinda wierd. The traditional ideas of 'male' and 'female' don't really apply here.

Traveler: 
So Berkley still has a killer Nuclear Physics program? I thought it died at virtually every school.

Imzadi: <In other news, I AM UNEMPLOYED! WOOHOO!>
Good for you? Um... I never congratulated someone for getting fired.

As long as she dosn't act drugged like the other bad Willow.
<Where did that come from?>
Well, a daddy lockpick and a mommy torsion wrench got together and in an act of love made my skillz.
Or why I said that?
I said it because I picked a decent lock here without warming. True, it took me 12 seconds (which really sucks for me), but if I warmed up on my Master Lock first, I could have knocked that down to 7 seconds. (Best time, after pick and wrench is in the lock: about a second)
<Oh, that's worked like a CHARM before, hasn't it?>
Yeah, I realized that after I wrote that.
Better idea: Make the people THINK that one of our very reliable arab citizens/agents is a rebel hero!
<All hail the TI-83!>
...and on the other day, God came forth and created the TI-83, and it was sweet
<Depends on where you get your software>
Well, I got it from a place that sucked. I didn't get the MSDN disk which has all the help files on it.
<Yes, but does it get old faster than cheese?>
MUCH faster than cheese in TIbet.

Wilek: <As long as there are no *humans* frisking about (as Digimon's are all non-adults...unless you've fast forwarded aboot ten years hence)>
Yeah, it's of the destined. About 5 years later, and then only with each other.
And not said in detail.
At least, not in the FIRST story.
<If they'd recovered, the memory of their suffering would likely have driven them suicidally insane>
I know... but still.
<Which song?>
Not until it's done.
<What exactly are your new little friends, and where did you get them? :)>
My Medium, Heavy and Extra-heavy battlebots.
Although, Reaper is also a spirit of the undead I call upon whenever I have some souls for him to torment. He likes it... I think. Very hard to tell emotions when you can't see his face. Even still, he couldn't bluff his way out of a paper bag in poker. Which is why he owes me a couple million favors.

Warpmind: <The lower-ranked bugs are easily frenzied, huh? Just goes to show the problems of a hive society...>
Even more so when not under the supervision of the hiarchy and in a small pack.
Survival instinct... and just plain fun.
Which is why the alien in Alien and Alien 3 was just kill, kill, kill. No supervision. And thats why in Aliens they acted smarter. Resurection dosn't count. None of my children had ANY part in that movie.

Green Baron: 
I say don't let it have it's independance for a centuary at least.
MAke it a monarchy if you want, but only a puppet monarchy, like Britan.
Fire Storm
Thursday, October 11, 2001 06:55:19 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Josh> <<The problem is that the president is supposed to represent EVERYONE, not just the religious majority. <<Just because the man is the president doesn't mean that he cannot be a practicing Christian>>: No, but it does mean that he can't be emphasizing or promoting one religion over another. >>
As it was pointed out earlier by someone else, Bush made no attempt at hiding his religious preferences. I would much rather him actually BE a Christian instead of proclaiming to be one to gain votes and then not act like one.
<< I'm sorry, do you consider this to be a valid source of information? The memories of eight or ten of your friends?>> as opposed to believing that cheesy internet account of what was supposedly said? Yes. Or even believing O�Hair�s account of what was said� definitely Yes.
<<The problem is that the president is supposed to represent EVERYONE, not just the religious majority.>> As long as he is not being prejudice against other religious or non religious beliefs, he�s entitled to represent his own faith.

Enity> <<Because, like I said, he's not treating the Bible as he would treat the Koran. If he quoted the Koran, he would say "I will now quote from the Koran, the sacred book of the Islam faith." If he quotes from the Bible, he doesn't put it into context, he assumes the context is already there. He speaks as if the Bible's authority is without saying>>
If he was of the Islam faith and was reading from the Koran, then he would read it as if it was the truth� just as he reads from the Bible as being truth. To Christians, the Bible is a book of Truth. He is a Christian and as all Christians do (or at least should) believe the Bible to be the authority and truth.
<<Is he saying "In this time of crises, I personally turn to my faith. I am Christian, and I would now like to read from..." No, he just READS.>> Because he�s a Christian. I don�t know why this is hard to comprehend. It goes without need of explanation� he shouldn�t have to *explain* that he�s going to be reading from the Bible.
<<Christians stopped being persecuted long ago.>> No, it�s been the fad to persecute Christians these past 8 years or so� it�s just now becoming back to a time where our voices are once again being heard.
<> Yes you are and that�s why I tried to include the word *some* when referring to atheist. You�ve always been considerate of others and have respected the rights of other beliefs :)
<<Just like a President's sex life>> sure, as long as the President keeps it private, doesn't do immoral behavior while on the job, doesn't abuse his power of authority, etc. ;) and does it with his wife and not commit adultery. But that's ancient history now.

Greg B> I have the utmost respect for you. We don�t agree on a lot of things, but you�ve always been fair and open minded with differing POV�s. I have always considered your thoughts and ideas and have actually grown from them. You�ve changed my mind a few times, too ;)
You are absolutely correct in saying that we have more important matters to be concerned with these days. Even if you don�t believe in prayer, I do and I have included you in my prayers. (never know, it won�t hurt to be on the safe side here) *chuckles*
Keep safe!

Patrick> hehe, you go friend! Feelin� your oats these days, huh? ; )

Carolyn> there are different procedures concerning how some one is questioned, but if you'll send me an email setting up the scene, I'll be happy to ask some of our officers what they would do and how they would handle the suspects :)

Green Baron> <<As for what the elder Bush said, that is very disturbing>> once again, it has not been proven that he even said such a thing. I have the strongest respect for George Bush, Sr. I liked him before and then I went to see his library...wow! it is awesome! He is truly a remarkable man.

drats, gotta' go.. have a cub pack meeting tonight.
Jan - [janmiller@mo-net.com]
Thursday, October 11, 2001 06:45:59 PM
IP: modem21-245.mo-net.com

Morning, all... Shortly after I posted last night, my roomie got back and anounced that he was dropping out of school to enter rehab. I sat up with him 'till 3am while he talked to his parents and the RA, and waited for the angel dust to wear off. And by tonight, he'll be gone. Just like that.

Chad, you were a great roomie. We hung out and listened to music together. I freaked you out with Gorillaz, you freaked me out with your freestyling. I introduced you to anime, you introduced me to Linken Park. I explained Hentai Tentacles, and you explained the bloodstains on your sheets. You shot me in the back, I smacked you in the wang.
Together, we comprised everything that college is meant to be, and without you, college will never be the same. I only wish I could have helped you.
You will be missed, 'mano...

*sniff*

Wilek - Aw, geez... Dangit, 'mano, you weren't supposed to post again till this had all been resolved one way or the other. Now I'm feeling all guilty for making a real friend worry....
<<Please tell me I'm just a paranoid worry wart and that you're just venting or something and point and laugh at me for worrying so much...>> Sort of... And sort of not. I'm not gonna pull a Gloves and dive out the window, if that's what you mean. I'm a little too rational for suicide. On the other hand, I've spent the last five days teetering on the edge of asking Chad to beat the crap out of me, just to see what it'd feel like.
<<Take time to heal from whatever it is you have, preferably with a doctor's assistance.>> To quote Steve Buschimi, "They don't have medicine for what I've got..."
But don't worry, 'mano. I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid...

Green Baron><<Why are you posting to yourself?>> Because a) I'm nucking futs, and b) There are some things I needed to hear last night that no one else was saying.

And that's all I have time for. Time for a little study before I head over to the pits of He- errrr, Aramak to dish food for four hours.

One more day. Just one more, and then I can sleep...
Gunjack "Mutatis Mutandis" Valentine
Thursday, October 11, 2001 04:25:03 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Entity>
<<I'm more fearful for the local Muslims, who are brainwashed over there.>>
I'd be more fearful of them, actually. It seven scarier that these pockets of extremism exist everywhere including the US. Granted there are other internal enemies, so it is not as disturbing.

<<Don't you think that's a simple and limited way to look at it?>> Perhaps, but I tend to like the older models. Actually, an on-line dictionary provides a much better definition of religion. I'd go with that.

As for what the elder Bush said, that is very disturbing, especially since tehre have been those last century who said the very same thing about my own people and even today, some people in need of a little inquisition have basically claimed that a Catholic President would be a pawn of the Pope. I can understand your concern, though I am surprised to ehar that about the elder Bush, especially because he's an Episcapalian, a Catholic-Lite Country Club brand of Christianity. I'd expect this more from a born again, like Carter, Clinton, or Gore (who is also anti-Catholic).

Lynati> <<Wasn't this country founded so that people could avoid religious persecution?>>
It was, even though the Puritan's ,aka God's excrement, founded this country. Actually, it doesn't exist too well in practice consdering the shit Al Smith got in 1928 and how my won kinsmen were treated when they came here during the 1840s.

Josh> <<All crimes comitted in the name of religion will be met with the death penalty.>> That should only exist if the crime woudl normally merit the death penalty and I hope civil disobedience would not be among those crimes.

Greg Bishansky> <>
You do have some definite GOP in you. The elder Bush didn't impress me, but I supported him in 88 (though Dukakis coudl always scare enemies with his tank) and I was a Perot supporter in 92.

Jaden> Don't forget to e-mail Christine. You get the chance of meeting her.

Greg> <<In that situation all I knew was what my parents told me, and my father is a Republican. He hated Bush Sr.>>
Is that part of why you're a Democrat? Because of your own ill feelings towards your father?

My parenst supporetd Bush, though only because Dukakis was a moron and tehy saw Clinton as a crooked southern politician like my own state's former Governor.

Metaldemon> <<THe only ritual Christ prescribed was Communion: "Do this in rememberance of me...." >>
And a lot of Christians screw that up, too. There are seven sacraments in all. Rituals are simply a part of a Church as it grows. They are a part of a religious service and a sense of formality consitency and familiarty is healthy for a religion. I also like hierarchy in my faith, and of course Marian Devotion, but that is more of a Christian devotion.

<<Religion is about trying to acheive goodnes through living the Gospel, through an understanding of your faith. Rituals become hum-drum and lose meaning. Organizations only become poilitical and individuals within the group strive for power. >>

The Gospel is pursued by Christian Religions. They are more a good idea for faiths outside Christianity. Ritual is very improtant to me and a part of respect for a God who likes formality and structure. Organization ahs its downsides, but it provides stability, order, and structure, and it is also part fo a religion's tradition, which is important since the notion of the Bible and only the Bible is Fundamentalist heresy, and for those who beleive Jesus is jealous, which he clearly isn't.

Give me my structure and order, tradition, and organization, or else Christianity just becomes a philosophy or a bunch of arm-waving revivalist who condemn alchohol while drinking moonshine when no one is looking.

DPH> <<I think Christianity was somewhat better off when it was disorganized. You understand that everybody agrees completely with the big picture. The problem is we disagree on how to get there. Here's something for you to think. We live in a DEMOCRACY not a THEOCRACY (DPH hears louds cheers in the CR).>>

We're a Republic, not a Democracy, and the only good theocracy is the Vatican which is not your archetypal theocracy (existing more in a soul than on land, since it covers a portion of Rome). Christianity was only disorganized because the founders were working on structure. Through organization, there have been problems but there is also an infrastructure of love and caring that is only achievable through a vast Universal Hierarchy, taht can allow for Mother Teresa to create an order devoted to caring for the poor as well as providing quality education to underpriveleged Irish children at the turn of the century and now to underpriveleged children of many ethnicities who have hoorid public schooling. Well, thsi is mainly in application to my won religion, but many other religions ahve used teh better parts of my faith to create good models of their own, especially in regard to education. Also, we have countless saints to inspire people to greatness and offer help in daily life, as well as a loving mother and queen. So I'll stay with my love of organized and strutured faith.

I don't supprot a Bible being passed out in schools. Frankly, most Americans follow teh KIng James Bible or NRSV or soem otehr variation. These Bibles are a clear violation of the Council of Nicea, because a certain German took six books out of the Old Testament and had no right to do so. The main reaosn for Catholic schools in America was ebcause of predjudice by many public schools which were Protestant dominated. Of course, I had a Bible in my HS, but it was Catholic. Now, if a kid wants to bring his own Koran or Bible, or even a Watchtower, why not?

Ravyn> That is too far for my standards for a daily commute, but not a weekend visit.

Imzadi> <<You're kidding, right?>> I'm talking about now. Yes, Catholic have done their share fo violence, but who hasn't. the current Pope is a man of peace and love and Mother Teresa is a more fitting icon of the Church today.

It's because of France that Ho Chi Minh came to be and if they had never taken France none of the problems would have occured. There woudl be no threta of Communism there if we forced those unwashed perfume drenched frogs to give their Indochina colonies independence. I doubt there'd be the Khmer Rouge around either.

<<You're green, you're Christian. Same difference ;-) >> My brand of Chiristianity is very different from his and its over 1800 years older.

<<Keep dreaming dude.>> I am a direct descendant of good King William. That is my ancestral right. I am also descended from MacBeth, so I ahve a right to Scotland, but all I want are soem baronies my family held until the seventeenth century. I also want Louisiana, which is only a backwoods third world land.

Patrick Toman> Killing Taliban leaders is bette rthan just killing Bin laden. Killing Bin laden may releive a little anger for a littlw while, but taking out teh chiefs under him is far mroe damaging. I;d rather keep Bin Laden alive so he can live to see his dreams go up in smoke.

Entity> <> Just look at it for what it is, a kind gesture. The Pope and the new US Ambassador to the Vatican paryed a Hail Mary for us right after the attacks. What is your take there?

Lain> <<because GOD will do whatever the heck he wants>> Well, that's true, but there's no reaosn to be botehred by it. Maybe I should ask the Virgin Mary to pray for the Comment Room. She does what she wants, too.

<<bush would SAY that.. he probably THINKS it>> I hav etrouble believeing an Anglican/Episcopalian woudl think that. I could see Clinton or Gore believing that deep down, which would be funny since a majority of atheists voted for him in the US.

Revel> I'd agree. I think Alan Greenspan is an atheist though if he sin't, that was why Ayn Rand kickied him out of her inner-circle. Ayn Rand was also a great American and a great capitalist.

Entity> <<I'm someone who thinks that a Religion class should be required of all American high school students, because of the ignorance I observe in society on other religions and on people's OWN religions.>> I'd agree. Most Catholci sin America don't know a damn thing about their won faith and its arther sad since many were persecuted in this very country for being Catholic. The same goes with many religiosn where no one has an idea about their faith.

As for football games, they'd better keep the Hail Mary pass.

Aris> Thanks for the link. I am offended and disturbed that the article ommitted Ayn Rand a prominent atheist and a great American who fled the evils of Stalin,a nd while I disagree with soem of her views, I think she is a top rate economy. Actually there are excellent economists who are atheists as well as soem who are Jewish, and some who are Catholic, as well as some Protestants. Thank God I'm a capitalist :)

Moonbeam> Very funny. Now get a haircut, lay off the dope, put on a suit, take some business courses, and GET A JOB!!!

And I am paraphrasing from PJ O'Rourke :)

Fire Storm> <>
I disagree. I want it restored as a Kingdom, but soemthing of a Republic, too. The US shoudl help because we need teh good PR and we can show how generous we are. Next, Iran needs its Shah back. He was so much better than the Ayatollah.

Patrick Toman> I'm surprsied to hear that from you. I thought you were agnostic.

Metaldemon> Actually, our religion doesn't demand pacifism. We should turn the other cheeck and not seek vengeance, but I don't see any demands to be pacifist, esepcially when one third of the US Military si Roman Catholic. Now, I don't like war and my Detachment Commander loves peace, but sometimes we have to go to war. Even Jesus kicked some butt, though only once.

I respect that you feel that way and I am gald I am serving in a military that guarantees your right to believe what you do. Agreeing with you is a whole different matter :)

Moochie> Why are you posting to yourself?

<<Mt. St. Helen bless America>> At least its a saint :)

<<Christian Nations don't exist, and this wouldn't be one even if they did>> Well, the problem is we have national religions in the world, like the ArchBishop of Canterbury being selected by the Bristish Crown. The Vatican counts as a Christian nation, though it only technically. The presbyterian Church USA is an example as the denomination includes the name US and only exists within this nation's borders. There are also some that are just their own little undecorated rinky dink Church and would not survive teh fall of this country. My faith is greater than any nation and one day there will be Catholic Masses on the other side of the Galaxy.

Tarveler> Ancient Rome was a perverted Empire that fell because the Emperors were a bunch of idiots with lead diets and the military was composed of mercenaries. It had some cocnepts that inspired the US, but so did teh Magna Charta. Rome finally feel to the wise and noble Attila who also spared Rome, because the pope asked him to. I adoubt there will be another benevolent barabarian like Attila to take America. I'd rather America get led by an Attila than fall to one. America needs to be on its toes and alert, maybe even a littel paranoid. We are too soft to be the most powerful nation on the Earth and that has to change.

<<We're (hopefully) not going to stop with Afghanistan either, there ARE targets in other countries already and I'd place money on it. Afghanistan is simply being made the example, the other countries will give us free reign to take and arrest or bomb whomever we wish in their country "OR ELSE" we've got a carrier group and some B-1B's and B-2's standing by.>>
I agree. The Taliban are supporetd elsewhere. General Musharra may need our help when he has a Civil War. Then Iran while it is nice to us now, woudl be better off with a Shah. Iraq needs a new family in charge, instead of some gangster.

<>
I also prefer a common and known enemy. Well, also a world power to compete with will keep America on its toes. The EU coudl work, but they'd crumble without the US. America is on top and getting too comfortable. We need a rival or we take a big fall.

Bishansky> The Bahamas? What was the scene? I guess Kevin Smith just can't win with some folks.

<<The best thing about this country is the diversity you find among the people who live here. It's certainly my favorite. I can sit down at a coffee shop with a fellow Atheist, a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, (geez, way too many to list) and have a conversation and/or share a friendship with them. Left wing or right wing. You don't see this in many other countries.>>

That's also part of NYC, too. You're lucky to have teh diveristy so nearby. I love city life.

Imzadi> <<The founding fathers of this country would beg to differ.>> John Locke is great and so is Adam Smith. Th eEnglish had soem halfway intelligent stuff during the Enlightenment as opposed to another nation reeking fo cheap perfume and hookers who need to shave their pits :)

<<The only documents that should be quoted from in that fashion are the documents upon which this country was founded. The three in glass cases under special lighting in Washington, D.C. No others.>> That is a bit exclusive and fundamentalist.

The Warren Court damaged those documents quite a bit. I beleive teh Seperation fo Church and State was menat to prevent an official religion and to keep the state from controlling religions, like what happened to Protestantism in many cases (like Luther being a puppet to a bunch of German princes or the Church of England).

<<The President of the United States represents the people. Its fine for him to be his own person, but as a representative of the people he must represent ALL people, not just the Christian majority of the country. >> He shoudln't mask his own faith, either. If I get elected, I'll have the Papal Nuncio to the Vatican bless the Inauguration and if the Pope visits the US, I will greet him by kissing his ring on National TV. That has nothing to do with hwo I would run this country, but that is a part of my beleifs and a sign of respect to a certain patriarch.

On the same note, I find it dissapointing that I never see any of the Jewish Congressmen wearing a yarmulke on C-Span. It's as if they're afraid to.

<<After that I got back my materials midterm. I got a 79...and the mean was a 59! SWEET! >>
Well, good for you.

Wilek> <<I like to think so...I consider the masculine persona that the Bible presents them with as a mask (He has so many...another reason I find theology fascinating), intended to convey an impression of authority appropriate for the pre-equal rights era.>>

Well, God told us what we needed to know. Besides, I don't beleive teh Bibel is the sole book for Christians anyway. Only the oldest and main one, though it was three cneturies later that the Council of Nicea approved the books to make the Bible.

Gender rols is more traditional. I do beleive God has a Mother who never had intercourse and she is Queen of the Universe.

<<This Baptist is laughing his butt right off. :D >> You're Baptist? I never would have guessed.

<<How are those not mutually exclusive? O_o >> Think about Attila (the cuddly cat, not the wise and noble King).

Lain> <<"sex sucks? MASTURBATE!!!
win a free vibrator courtesy of the womens issues network">>

It remidns me of another slogan,"Sex can wait, mast-ur-bate." That is what I call safe sex :)

And on a final note:

Mary, my Queen and Mother, pray for us.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne
Thursday, October 11, 2001 03:41:53 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

The Walrus Was Wilek> Hi. http://www.google.com/search?q=Bush+atheists+patriots&hl=en

;-)
Aris Katsaris
Thursday, October 11, 2001 03:05:56 PM
IP: athe530-t031.otenet.gr

*enters, with a VERY large grin*

hey guys, guess what? this school has suddenly redeemed itself in my eyes.. i went up to the community centre to meet my friend and was greeted by a large sign in red which said:
"sex sucks? MASTURBATE!!!
win a free vibrator courtesy of the womens issues network"
.. now come on, isnt that enough to make your whole day?? the best part was that it was directly across hall from the canadian forces recruiting booth (none of them were looking..)
BWA HA HA!!

.. sorry bout that.. but i thought id share.. perhaps more post later, though maybe not cos kendo is tonight.

gunjy>> no time for reading email... ill get out my can of whoop-ass later for ya.. ; ) i got my sound project finished, though. woohoo.

love,
lain
the Great White North
Thursday, October 11, 2001 02:59:06 PM
IP: sunrise.lib.uwo.ca

Josh> <<<In other news, I AM UNEMPLOYED! WOOHOO!>>> Been there the last... 6 months. I quit after accumulating enough money to buy my car. I then proceded to crash my car. <<<The problem is: where does one draw the line between a comparative religion class and a bible study (or similar) class?>>> Simple, you just don't touch the Bible. <<<What country do you live in?>>> The US of A, baby.

Incidentally, Josh, THANK YOU for those two cents on separation of Church and State.

Wilek> <<<Ooh. It'd be a great first line for a spell...>>> LOL.

Patrick> <<>> I can. <<<Bush certainly didn't hide the fact that he was a Christian while he was campaigning last year...>>> Well, No. 1, I didn't vote for him. To me it's NOT a surprise. No. 2, I think that religion can add definition and character to a President. As odd as this sounds, I would actually prefer a President who is affiliated with some religion over a President who is not. Why? Maybe I'm just clinging onto the hope that a President like Martin Sheen's may someday come to pass, but in all reality, it's because religion is a part of our world. It should exist in the Oval Office. But as something PERSONAL. Just like a President's sex life. <<<BTW, we can expect to see all affirmed atheists attending to their regular jobs this year on December 25, yes?>>> I was going to explain this... but then I remembered it's just intended to spite. <<<and we should be rallying behind our armed forces as they carry out the mission assigned to them>>> Goin' to be following them out there, are you? <<<rather than telling them they are terrorists themselves and treating them like crap>>> Nothing like pulling random arguments from the sky because they "sound" relevent.

David> <<<I don't claim to know George W. Bush's mind, but I believe when he's quoting the Bible he's drawing upon something personally meaningful to him - not trying to force his faith down the throats of unwilling people.>>> I'm fine with that. But Bush has got to accept that not everyone he stands for shares his beliefs. Therefore, he can make clear that when he is referring to God or quoting the Bible, that he IS "drawing upon something personally meaningful to him." You said it, why can't he?

Greg> <<<I'm just saying that there are much more important things to worry about than religion.>>> We can't do more than one thing at a time?
Entity
Thursday, October 11, 2001 02:22:33 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

I always thought the whole point of religion was to discover Who You Are. If you do it by studying Islam, fine. If Christianity works for you, go for it. If Atheism or Hinduism or Paganism is more you're touch, hell, have fun. Religion should be about searching inside yourself and helping you grasp a better understanding of your meaning and the point to life. As long as you harm none while going about it, then do it. *steps down from her soapbox*

Gargoyles petition< Heck, can't hurt *goes to link*

JAN< Hey, hon, since you're job centers around the justice system and all that, can I ask you a question? Is there a website or a book detailing cop procedure? I don't just mean reading someone Miranda Rights; like, say Elisa Maza was grilling a suspect, how'd she go about it? Just examples like that. Any sources you could recommend? I'd appreciate anything you could send my way.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Thursday, October 11, 2001 02:16:26 PM
IP: pc169-196.drew.edu

Whee, finished my Anthropology exam!! Loved the essay question: "Based on what you know about evolution, is a 'Planet of the Apes' scenario possible? Why or why not?" Love those "opinion" questions... think I scared the crap out of everyone else in the class though:

Prof: Alright, before I hand out the exams, do I have any final questions?

Me: Yeah, concerning the difference between Cercopithecoidea and Hominoidea ... the first includes just Old World monkeys and the second is just tail-less primates like apes and humans, right?

Prof: Correct.

Me: *phew* Good, okay, just checking.

Everyone else in the class: *turning week-old-oatmeal color* Do ... do we have to know that?

JOSH< <>

AMEN! ;D Seriously, I find it amusing when guys like Jerry Falwell *grr* insist on taking the Bible literally, word-by-word, and yet put them in front of a TV with the Teletubbies and suddenly it's all about hidden meanings and innuendo. Anyone else hear Mr. Falwell's moronic speech denouncing about everyone in society, right after the September 11th tragedy?

WILEK< Or how about his dig at Hitler, who was supposedly a vegeterian painter? *looks nervous* Which I found kinda scary, considering I'm a leaf-eater and studying art ... anyway, and Eddie impersonates the Nazi SOB: "I can't seem to get this painting right-damn, I will everyone in the world!!"

Or, even better, his description of puberty and how your body goes straight to hell: "Well, I'm not going to shag me that's for certain".

The best was the whole bit in French, because as I speak it it made so much more sense ;) "Tu es transvestite?" "Oui, mais pas un tranvestite typical. Je suis un tranvestite executif ... MAIS le souris est sous la table, le chat est sur la chaise, et le sange ... le sange a disparru ... because the monkey would just f*** off cuz he was a bloody monkey!"

To the non-Izzard, monolingual fans in here, watch Eddie Izzard and it'll all come to you ;) Where's Denis? Maybe he'd understand it a little better sans the language barrier.

ENTITY< There was a great editorial cartoon in our paper a few days ago: several Taliban leaders wigging out over a message from the US that read, "Hand over Osama bin Laden or we'll send your women to college". I like seeing these guys poked fun at because the hypocrisy over there is just nauseating. And you gotta admit, the Taliban leaders had a lot of balls last week to denounce the US/British attack and say "the US are terrorists!"

SKIPPY< Yikes, it kinda does make sense ... my life has recently become one big X-Files/Men in Black hybrid.

JAN< *about the chick beating the hell out of the two punks* SWEEET! Well, I'm off to the gym... ;)

VAMPIRE HUNTER D< whoever mentioned this, I can't find the comment again *doh!* But I saw a preview for this and it looks soooo awesome. I can't even describe the superb animation because my description wouldn't do it justice. I can't even imagine this as CGI because it looks so incredibly awesome, better than "ghost in the shell"'s animation, even. And that's saying quite a bit.

*off to finish reading Philip Pullman's "The Amber Spyglass"*

BTW, finished reading Neil Gaimain's "American Gods". Maybe I'll post a review this week or next if I got time. As the Italians say as they're vrooming around on their motoscooters, "Ciao!" ;D
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Thursday, October 11, 2001 02:04:41 PM
IP: pc169-196.drew.edu

*Warpmind enters, whistling.*
Heya. This'll be my last post before heading off to the gamin con this weekend. I'll be running a little GURPS game there titled "Death of a Businessman"... three characters are convinced they killed the victim... the victim died of natural causes about half an hour before the first "murderer" attacked, and nobody bothered to check the stiff... Ain't I twisted? };) I should have run a fantasy game in the gameworld I'm building, but the adventure notes vanished in one of mom's cleaning frenzies... :(

Christine: A free copy, too? Up, lemme check with my accountant. *Polishes glasses for a moment.* Sure. ;)

Gside: Finished chapter one, huh? And the fun is just beginning. };)

Josh: Why do you hate the fact that I can manage quite well without my own car? };) As for which head... the one you're *supposed* to think with. Oh, and by the way... *Hands over a coin* Enjoy. };)

Moochie: By the way, ye got that e-mail, right?

*Reads Moonbeams post* ��... ��... Heh... heheh... *Keels over, laughing.* Okay, my day is made... that was bleedin' HILARIOUS! I so hope you didn't mean a word of that seriously. :)

Fire Storm: The lower-ranked bugs are easily frenzied, huh? Just goes to show the problems of a hive society... ;) (Incidentally... I just realized something: an anthill is probably a Communistic system in its purest form...)

Wilek: Well, the recordings mostly show the furniture screaming in terror, quickly followed by pain. Then, of course, there's that unfortunate incident with the turtle, the shoe polish and the nail file to consider... I'm sure the SPCA would like to see that one... As for the Giger Batmobile... dunno; what're the specs for it?

Well, I gotta be going; I gotta finish the crypt in the RPG, with the miniquest for Duke Melrose (guess his residence).
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, October 11, 2001 01:14:42 PM
IP: mp-217-208-53.daxnet.no

Patrick> I'd go to work on December 25th if the bookstore I work at is open that day. I expect any Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, any non-Christian would also.

Why does it seem that people are either Christians or Atheists in here?

Besides, we all know that the Jews are the ones that are right. And us Atheists, and all you Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans and other Pagans will soon learn that!

Okay, enough of me being a smartass for now ;)

"The Jews are smart, they don't have a Hell."
-George Carlin
"Napalm and Silly Putty"
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:48:53 AM
IP: dialin-133-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

TWWW><<...it seems to me that the shadow developing its own independent sentience, as seems to have happened in Fight Club, can account for a few of the more interesting abnormal psychologies.>>
Yeah, Freud is overrated, but did say some good stuff. Jung definatley was more mature in his studies.
Now: Well, if you remember, the second-self never was made flesh in Fight Club. The real guy kept reacting properly to his second-self; or would sometimes even punch himself--that's how REAL it was to him. I don't think he actually took flesh besides whenever the real guy became the second-self.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:43:01 AM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Entity> Something you said in response to Jan has moved me to comment:

Jan said:"just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean that everyone else has to not speak of it."

To which you replied: "Of course not. But when I say I don't believe in God, I am voicing an OPINION. When our President calls on God to sanctify our country, he is voicing a TRUTH. He is not calling on the God he personally believes in, he is calling on the God that's THERE."

Now, here's where it gets interesting. I personally believe in God, therefore, as far as I'm concerned, God IS there (wherever "there" is). Religion is more than a personal philosophy illustrated by a body of mythological literature. The mythology of a religion is (though some people will argue with this) HISTORY. Christians (most of them, anyway) believe that there really was a man named Jesus who was born in Bethleham somewhere around 33 BC, lived, became an unofficial - but highly popular - rabbi, did a bunch of miracles, and was crucified somewhere around 1 AD. They believe he was really the mortal son of God, and that three days after he died he was really raised from the dead.

(Actually, there are a lot of people who claim to be Christians who don't believe this, but they're wrong. Either they're wrong about history, or they're wrong to call themselves Christians because if Jesus wasn't really the son of God, he was just a con-artist and not worth believing in.)

If you're really a Christian, you can't really just keep your faith to yourself. For one thing, that would be breaking a commandment of Christ - so right off the bat, you're sinning. For another thing you really believe you're saving people by sharing your faith with them. The concept of Hell - which I can just barely understand - scares me so much that I literaly get weak in the knees when I consider going there. Everyone who has not found the grace of God will go to Hell when they die - ergo, I should try to save everyone I like, or just don't hate (and hatred is a sin, so I'm not allowed to hate anybody)

Now - before I touch off an argument I really don't want, let me explain that real Christians have very clear guidelines on how they should share their faith, and a lot of people get it wrong. You can't force anybody to be a Christian, and God doesn't even want you to try. The Apostles were even directed to give up after a while if the people they were trying to reach were particularly opposed to the Gospel. The Crusades were not Christian acts, no matter what the Crusaders thought, and the Inquisition was a travesty of justice so vast that I hope to get to spit on the Inquisitors in Hell (well, not really, because that might actually cool them off a little. Maybe I'll pour acid on them, or make them listen to Britteny Spears) Modern "Fundamentalist" Christians anger me to no end because they drive people away from God with their bigoted ravings.

But... A real Christian can't just apply his faith to himself. It permiates every aspect of his life - that's another one of those pesky commandments. I don't claim to know George W. Bush's mind, but I believe when he's quoting the Bible he's drawing upon something personally meaningful to him - not trying to force his faith down the throats of unwilling people.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, October 11, 2001 09:36:31 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Oh goodie... CR spam about another "save Gargoyles" petition! I can hardly wait to go sign it! :P

I can hardly believe I'm actually going to defend G.W. Bush now, but... could someone please point me to the part in the Constitution where it says the President must check his religion at the door prior to taking office? Bush certainly didn't hide the fact that he was a Christian while he was campaigning last year... so I'm not sure why it's such a big surprise now. Plus I'm pretty sure if it were Gore & Leiberman right now instead of Bush & Cheney, every speach would still be ending with "God Bless America."

BTW, we can expect to see all affirmed atheists attending to their regular jobs this year on December 25, yes? While that's Christmas Day to Christians, to atheists this year, it's just another Tuesday.
And on the subject of peace protesters... yes, I _do_ feel that now is a time where national unity is important, and we should be rallying behind our armed forces as they carry out the mission assigned to them, rather than telling them they are terrorists themselves and treating them like crap. They're out there to hunt down murderers and liberate the oppressed people of Afghanistan, a cause that, IMHO, is clearly as just as the mission that began with D-Day in WWII.

SJ > Do I earn bonus Republican frequent-flyer miles if I attend that? I'm saving up my points for really cool B-2 bomber bumper sticker that says "I'd rather be smoking a camel." :P
:: scurries off to work feeling very evil today ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, October 11, 2001 07:14:33 AM
IP: ac8e9426.ipt.aol.com

Aingeal> <<Wilek... long time no poke ::grins and pokes::>> <laughs like the Pillsbury Doughboy, then goes on a five state killing spree> ^_^

SJ> <> Don't know about daily, but I'll do my best. ^_^ <<A teenager? No matter to me. I respect anyone who carries around a sword that's bigger than they are.>> Same here, but D does look so much older than that...maybe it's a dhampir thing. <<We could start focusing on women's asses if it makes you feel better. ;)>> No thanks...at least the northern territories aren't in the daily habit of disgorging nature's foulest substance. <<Urotsokudoji? Demons, and tentacles, and lots of nasty stuff that would make you have an aneurism, then sick the Cenobites on the anime's creators. Not recommended viewing for all the good little Wileks in the world.>> Ah. I thought it was just violent. O_o <<If you at all liked the novels, or even are a fan of D&D type fantasy stuff, you'll lose your damn geek mind watching it.>> Hm. Haven't read the novels, although perhaps I should start...<<Hmm. I'm going to say no, he isn't.>> Ah. Duly noted. <<the only time we really get to see the cartoon Joker off someone for real is in Mask of the Phantasm>> And a clever offing it was. Where does he get those wonderful toys...<<Plus he was voiced by Mark Hamill (apparently on acid)>> I think it was his voice that originally attracted my attention. He honestly sounds like he spends his days beating people to death with rubber chickens. <<and had a cute sidekick in Harley Quinn>> Ah, perhaps the only person more frelled up than the Joker. I wonder how exactly he did that to her... <> Ah, thanks. I hadn't been sure. <<I'm not telling. ;) Think classic slapstick comedy.>> Looney Tunes? Ah. (For some reason I was thinking Beetlejuice...) <<If there's one thing I've learned, it's don't mess with transsexual vampire mages who are well versed in the art of Vicissitude.>> Eh, I like her. She has kind of this evil alternate universe Delenn thing going. <<You're forgetting the most important part about DBZ: All major fights must last 2894 episodes in length. It's a contractual obligation.>> And how could I forget that. Apparently, whatever physics defying power gives them the ability to destroy entire galaxies with their flatulence also grants them immortality, for any normal human would die of old age during one of their fights. <<Are you talking about Bad Andy?>> Frell yes. Where did they get him, the sewers of Silent Hill? <<Did you all know that in this sequel to Peter Pan, that CAPTAIN HOOK FIGHTS THE NAZIS???>> <blink> <blinkblink> Wha...? <<Especially since you're a blue gargoyle. At least you add flavor to the community. ;)>> Tell that to Animal Control. O_o <<Well, now I'm going to show just how pathetic of an existence I live, because I can answer your question in depth, since I know way more about pro-wrestling than any human (outside of actually working in the business) has a right too.>> There's no shame in knowing things. :) <<basically, Vince just exposed the business by admitting it was all fake, and dubbing the business "sports entertainment" (which, depending upon how hardcore a wrestling fan you are, can be considered a rather dubious distinction), with the emphasis being mainly on entertainment. And presto, no more huge taxes. He's a business genius, that Vince (if you forget the XFL). The storylines? Well, that's part of sports entertainment. You can't just go out there and have two guys fight each other, now you gotta add stories to the mix.>> Ahh. Clever. Hm...'nother wrestling question: When and why did Hulk become such a...punk? I seem to remember people thinking he was the coolest thing ever back in the 80s. (Didn't he have an animated series? Oh there's a great influence for the kiddies. But anyway.) But a few years ago, I saw him knocking a guy down and spraypainting his chest on a commercial or something. Quoi? <<If you ever have a wrestling question again (and I doubt it), come to me, because I'm embarrassed to say it but I'll most likely have an answer for you.>> Thankee. ^_^ <<Well, all the 80s toons seem to be coming back into style.>> Thank the GODS. The 80s were possibly animation's golden age. If the style and cool factor of the better 80s cartoons were combined with the plot-centricism and technical accomplishment of the better 90s cartoons, I think that that would be quite possibly humanity's finest achievement. <<"Masters of the Universe" is making a small comeback. Next month, look for 6 brand new He-Man figures. I'm talking, brand new sculpts. Good ones too, sculpts that are mildly reminiscent of McFarlane-brand toys.>> I've seen those in ToyFare, and I want them RIGHT FRELLING NOW. >8D (I actually have the limited edition reissue of the original Skeletor. For once I'm not going to open it though; something about the number in the corner trips my significance alarm...) <<after months of rumors, it's looking more and more like Ben "I like to get drunk and party with my 'good friend' Matt Damon" Affleck will sign on to play Daredevil.>> Well, he was good enough in Dogma...playing a psychotic angel tends to cause a person's cool points to skyrocket in my book. ^_^ <> Why stop at those scarecrows? Imagine a catgirl bodybuilding league...<> What breed is it? I adore pugs and shih tzus. ^_^ <<Since when did MY comment room become infested with Linkin Park loving existentialists? I warned you people, if you leave food out for them, they'll just keep coming back. Now they're tame. And they've stolen my pick-a-nick basket.>> <opens mouth to say something, collapses laughing> <<God, I love Halloween.>> Me too, second only to Christmas. Finally, the things that go on in my head escape to infest the world. Hey, has anyone here been to a Spencer's Gifts around Halloween? They have the most messed-up stuff...<<Crichton has, in some way, shape, or form, had sex with all of the female crew members of Moya (excluding the ship itself)>> Wonder who Talyn's father was. <<This is one of those George "Screw continuity, I'll make it all up while I'm having my morning BM" Lucas-type errors. That was for a friend of mine. You know who you are. ;)>> Neener. :P Although it seems to me that any apparent continuity errors in E1 are the fault of a) Obi-Wan being a pathological liar ("Dude, Vader killed your father"...right, wonder what else he told 'from a certain point of view') and b) nobody being able to understand what the frell R2D2 is ever saying ("<bleepbleepblopityblebbitati>[3PO, don't we know him?]" "Shut up; if Luke finds out that we're pretty much responsible for the rise of Darth Vader, he'll have our wires for garters"). (See how much fun you can have by introducing a good amount of ambiguity and intrigue into what, in the classic trilogy, was a very straightforward storyline? >;D)

Imzadi> <<What I really want women to do is to look like the women in Maxim magazine 8-)>> I've never seen the women of Maxim, save for that chick from Final Fantasy, but being a mainstream porno rag, is it safe to assume that they're all very, very thin? Ew. <<Now if only I had the motivation to go look through the archives and see if its the same IP.>> Maybe they should put in a search engine. <<SJ's exact point was that NOTHING can be learned from religious debates.>> To the contrary--you can learn a lot about a person by his religious standpoint. <<Damnit! Your huge post keeps me from studying!>> Oops. <> Then...what did you need with the MP3s? O_o <<Shall I call you Susan?>> Hey, whatever blows your hair back. <<Where did you learn to talk dirty!?>> Dirty? I was going for silly. Granted, the former tends to imply the latter...<<There's a museum of torture in Rome.>> Thankee. ^_^ Must add that to my list...<<Impressive!>> <bows> <<But I've seen my bro's iMac do some F*CKED UP things. I fixed them, naturally. Now it has zero hard crashes. Impressive, huh?>> Very much so. <<God forbid he should actually get some CLOTHING!>> It does get me miffed that somatic aesthetics have been saddled with so much sexualized bullschiesse (granted, the actual wibblies are another matter). Besides, that little gimp's sweater? <<Ooh I like that one! Can it be every day!?>> But then it wouldn't be so special an event. <<Sometimes its fun to let go.>> Exactly--let go of the body's addictions and think freely. Why does no one do this? <> For some reason I hadn't even thought of that. O_o <<I'd imagine the same way he'd fight against QuickMan and CutMan.>> I was thinking the Particle Crasher would be more along the lines of Pharaoh Man's weapon. <<Yes there are. "Incredibly, very, and really".>> That's like calling the moon a big rock--technically true, but failing utterly to encompass the enormity of the matter. <<News flash: we ARE just extra smart monkeys.>> Physically, perhaps, but mentally...no. No, no. There's a threshold somewhere, that they never quite made it across. <> We're dealing with a time traveler, Imz. That's the kind of knowledge collation skill you need to defend yourself from them. Otherwise, keep them happy or they will simply uncreate your entire ancestry. <<Real men don't question it.>> I'm sorry, since when did being a man equate to being a drooling pig? O_o <<Maybe we should rename this place.>> Nightstone Asylum? <> Yet another rule to which I am the exception. :) <<Do you remember Fox's line "Kafka's too butch and nietzche (sp?) reminds me of your little friends over there"?>> It sounds vaguely familiar, but...? <<Yes, but since he asked the question in the first place, his opinion on the matter is obviously void.>> Nah. I'm male, just...weird. (I've seen normal and I want no part of it.) <<Well, it could be worse, I could have a 20-stage pipeline...::coughcoughP4coughcough::>> The other reason my next computer will have an Athlon...<<Well, this marks yet another goal in my life. After world domination, my next goal is "make life more like porno". An admirable goal, yes?>> An admirable goal, no. I like you and the world, please don't make me have to blow up the latter and excise the former from reality. ;) <<We don't have the coolest looking fighter anymore.>> Yes we do, the F-117a stealth fighter. ^_^ (Well, it's more of a light bomber, but that's splitting hairs. Hm, when is our technology finally going to be capable of manufacturing starfighters? I wanna see a USAF TIE fighter, right now. :P ) <<You wouldn't, by chance, have...transformers?>> Frell yes. None of the REAL classic ones (I want that guy with the hexagonal head...he was cool), but a lot of G1s. I think my first was the Seacon octopus, with the rest of the gestalt following soon after. <<Um, okay. Is this some new rock group?>> I could spend ten seconds to explain this, or I could watch Gside lead you into frothing madness. Hmm...<<This has been a long post, brought to you by the letters F, U, and the number 69.>> <L> :P

Fire Storm> <<Note: Those scenes do NOT appear in the story.>> As long as there are no *humans* frisking about (as Digimon's are all non-adults...unless you've fast forwarded aboot ten years hence), I won't have to boil you in your own blood. ;P <<But you should see what I found on the web! People actually drew the DigiDestened having sex!>> Ewww. Can't they be arrested for that? <> Good luck finding me. ;) And that's for calling me Sparky! <crack! crack!> <<But man, both LM and I felt REALLY sorry for the diseased Leviathan and and it's pilot. They still didn't need to die. :~(>> If they'd recovered, the memory of their suffering would likely have driven them suicidally insane...<<At least the puppy got some cheese! ;)>> Isn't that bad for dogs? <<A Elton John parody.>> Which song? <<REAPER! HURT//MAIM//KILL! MAD XENOMORPH! They are yours.>> What exactly are your new little friends, and where did you get them? :) (Is Reaper the one from the Grim And Evil Show? He has the coolest theme...) <<Hey! What ever happened to the remake of Vampire Hunter D?>> I have a trailer for it on the original V:HD DVD...I hear (though I could be wrong) it's coming out on DVD this year sometime under the title Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust.

Siofra> <> Is Exile's main theme not unbelievably cool? ^_^

Niamhgold> <<LOL. That won't stop them. Now, a vial of Ebola...>> Too easy to backfire. O_o <<Thank god a _guy_ is questioning this! :)>> I try to question everything...especially those things with no apparent purpose. <<Buy? A soundtrack? Naw...who would commit such an act?!?>> ...?

Entity> <> Ooh. It'd be a great first line for a spell...

Jim R> <<How long actually *DID* it take you to download that 200MB file over a modem?!>> I have a 200MB video of the Transformers movie that feels like it took half my LIFE to download. O_o

Carolynn Marie> <<Eddie Izzard fan, eh?>> Me too. ^_^ His discussion of the moon landing sent me to the floor laughing. "Oh, it's all sticky!" I hope they come out with some of his stuff on DVD. (I wonder if he'd be willing to write for the second coming of Monty Python...)

Moochie> <<Clint Eastwood is the video with the groove-dancing zombie gorillas.>> Ah. Thanks. ^_^ <<And now, the CR's doing that whole deform-sideways-into-jagged-scrawls-of-demon-scrip thing...>> You must get a screenshot. <<KMFDM>> Kill Mother @$%@ing Depeche Mode? <<had to spend most all of the extra free time sleeping of my third bout of bronchitus. The whole choking-on-bodily-fluids (shut up, Gside...) thing is getting kinda tiresome, but that's life.>> Ouchie. Where's Sludgie? I think I shall replace his entire bloodstream with fugu poison. <<Wait till the next time the Dubba Duo, Gside and I start posting all at the same time.>> Wonder how long it'll take to have him gibbering and hiding under desks. ;) <<you ARE the wind beneath my wangs.>> Highly disturbing image. <wields a chainsaw> Need pruning? :P <<This frightens me on a primal level.>> Then you've never seen Rygel. :P <<the Drunkard's improve skit of Kermit as a sadistic bisexual sadist billionare.>> A sadistic sadist? Horrors! ;P I must see this, although perhaps I'd better rent Meet The Feebles first, to test the waters, as it were...<<Info. Now. I need more material to freak my roomie out with!>> The song is Madame Guillotine from Frank Wildhorn's musical The Scarlet Pimpernel. It very much reminds me of Facade from Jekyll & Hyde. Check it out sometime. ^_^ <<it IS nice to subtly invert the darkness=evil/light=good paradigm every once in a while...>> I love inverting paradigms in general. >:) <<You didn't invite me!? I thought we were FRIENDS! ; )>> We are, and I would have, but you were off doing whatever it was you were doing in your absence. :P <<Does it, now? Coulda fooled me... ; )>> Well, that's what I've heard. <<To any of you medical people in the room, how long can the human body survive, without permanent brain damage, if the heart stops pumping?>> Do I wanna know why you wanna know this? O_o <<Could your theology survive the collapse of America?>> My theology could, my mind couldn't. Trust me, I have a vested interest in maintaining my current lifestyle. I don't react well to change for the worse. <<Bear in mind, I AM running on eight weeks of sleep deprivation, constant sickness, and emotional stress. It might also be added to the record that my mind has been unravelling in new, interesting ways, some of which have prompted me to (disasterous) spontanious outbursts of low-grade violence against people half again my weight and twice my strength.>> OK, this explains it. Dude, I'm seriously worried for you. Get some rest. Take time to heal from whatever it is you have, preferably with a doctor's assistance. Whatever is causing this stress in your life, eliminate it. If, as I suspect (of course I could be wrong), it's your education schedule (I've seen people have breakdowns much like this because of it), I'd recommend speaking with whoever administrates those things about what it's putting you through. (And as for it being a "cheap #$%ing dodge"...no. It ain't just a dodge if it's true and it's harming you as much as this seems to be. And even if it were a "dodge", I'd recommend learning from this mistake and arranging to reduce this stress anyway, just in case...) <<Look at you! Ready to put your fist through a wall, or slam your face through a mirror, all because of one too many softairs in the arm...>> Um. This, combined with your admitted recent penchant for spontaneous combativeness against superior foes, makes me fear that something, undoubtedly this stress (it would help to talk about it, mayhap?), has given you self-destructive impulses. Please, get help--do something, anything, to improve your situation. I like you! I don't want to lose you! ;_; (Please tell me I'm just a paranoid worry wart and that you're just venting or something and point and laugh at me for worrying so much...)

Christine> <> I can do that. :) Not as good with it as with the more physical side of things, but after some of the frelled-up mind stuff I've seen, I think I've picked up a trick or two. ;) <<Song's got to go, though, I definitely agree with those who've voiced that opinion!>> I actually liked it in the commercial. But as the opening theme? Whose stupid frelling idea was that? <<porno involving women rarely involves anything close to what I've observed in real life>> Thank heaven that real women aren't actually treated that way...(Is it me, or does virtually all pornography that involves women conceptually if not literally involve their subjugation? That...bothers me.)

DPH> <<Can you go any further back in seeming unrelated events tied to the creation of the 'net.>> I could if I knew more about the history of the Net, and of the universities that, if I'm not mistaken, supported it in its early civilian days. <<Bear in mind, *I* know how to destory them (not by activating a self-destruct sequence).>> How, then? (Right, like you'll be stupid enough to reveal it in here...) <<It's time to end Power Rangers!!>> My gods, yes. Some of the toys are nice (giant robots rock, simple as that, no matter what kind of gimps are at the wheel), but the show's gone so far down the toilet that I'm wondering if it's still worth it...<<the TGS CR gets filled with too much logic, the universe will self-destruct.>> <blink> <blinkblink> <kablinken> Wha...? <<So I would rather keep the bible out of schools if it also keeps books from other religions. What's your take on that?>> I don't know...I'd rather allow all religious books. But I'm not sure of what kinds of problems that would cause...

Zath> Welcome back! :D Where on the million earths have you been, lass? And where's Kitty got off to? Still shredding and shedding? <<Mwahahaha! I love that song! It's my favorite song in the whole show.>> Same here, although The Riddle comes in a very close second. ^_^ <<What a coincidence you should mention it now when I'm going to see a community theater production of the Scarlet Pimpernel this weekend. :)>> Cool. ^_^

Gside> <<The periodic motion.>> And why the obsession with *this*? <<You're also the Red Queen?>> I'm not even the White Queen. You've never seen B5? <<It was one of my first mp3s.>> My first was the Timedancer theme. <<What we have is provided by my suitemates (we also have a PS2 and another N64).>> Cool. (I have to admit, the PS2 is an increasingly pleasant surprise. What I've seen of Twisted Metal Black, Ico, and Klonoa 2 makes me wonder if waiting for the price drop is a good idea after all...) <<50 characters? Yes, I do believe it shall be fun.>> That many?! O_o Where...did you hear this? (Hm...wonder if Ganondorf will be in attendance...) <<All the more reason to ramp up your genetic manipulation department.>> Woot...<<Yes, but I think it's gotten to the point where we've demoted him to asexual.>> *De*moted? <sigh> Transhumanists are never quite appreciated. :P <<Of course, now I'm waiting for someone to disagree with my describing it as a demotion.>> Frelling schiesse, I've become predictable. <<You know, I can't help but think how the tail would get in the way.>> Y'know, even if I were gay and sexual, I couldn't see the appeal of that particular approach. 'Cause, eww. <<And I believe Wilek himself would protest.>> Neener. :P Besides, I've yet to get a satisfactory answer to my question. It seems to me that if no one questions something, and no one can give a good reason for it when it is finally questioned, then perhaps that something has outlived its usefulness, if indeed it ever had any. <<The Duba Duo are Wilek and Warpmind. Gunjack and I have similarly skewed minds, so I have postulated there is something odd about the letters G and W.>> And there goes my plan to lead Imzy into frothing madness. Spoilsport. :P

Ch'Tah Tyger> Vilkommen, bienvenu, bene venite. :) Leave your sanity with us and join the mad dance of blood and tentacles. Would you like a shish kebab? <<My sister is insane!>> Sounds quite nice.

Warpmind> <<Ah, yes, the brainstorming... you know, I still have the 7D recordings of that... there are some truly amazing astral movements in the test zones... }:)>> Ooh. Details? ^_^ <<the BMW Giger, which will be designed by the Master himself. With any luck, my... associates will be able to persuade him and BMW to do this.>> Ooh...hm, heard about the Giger Batmobile? :D

Tim Phipps> <> You were destined for this place... <<Then we return "her" to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban.>> ...because of stuff like that. ;) I LOVE!

Lynati> <<no, it looks like the CD's are gone permanently, along with the two playstation ganes I had in the box. :P>> Gah. :( That would be such a nightmare for me...If I had like a terabyte of HD space, I'd probably rip my entire CD collection in case they get lost or stolen or suffer spontaneous massive existence failure or something...hmmm...Be right back. [Wilek leaves for several minutes, then returns, rolling in a Silence Of The Lambs type confinement gurney on which is stored a withered, corpselike, evil-looking genderless human whose skin is covered in shifting black shadows.] Meet Nihil, yet another in a long line of CR villains. This is who you take it out on when something you need just seems to sort of vanish. Lyn gets first crack at it, then it belongs to us all... <> Hope it doesn't come back...<<Now, if I only hadn;t scraped my knuckles raw hollowing out my head the other day (damn raku clay grog) I might actually consider myself in better health.>> I guess having scooped out your brain (hollowing out your head sounds painful) would put you in less than good health. ;)

Green Baron> <> I'm so glad someone else feels this way. <<When they hit Rome, Vatican cooks prepare thousands of casseroles along with tons of fried chicken, then offer it to you. An invasion becomes a fellowship dinner :)>> This Baptist is laughing his butt right off. :D <<Scary Movie II was very good.>> Ah. Thankee. ^_^ <wonders if it's out on DVD> <<Loincloth and cloak was more accustoemd to the times.>> Well, if the Maxim/International Male master plan for human somatics comes to fruition, perhaps it can experience a revival? :P <<Besides, the term was a Roman war for foreigner. It is as misused as crusade, which is rarely used religiously today.>> I stand corrected. :) <<God is neither male nor female. Same with the angels.>> I like to think so...I consider the masculine persona that the Bible presents them with as a mask (He has so many...another reason I find theology fascinating), intended to convey an impression of authority appropriate for the pre-equal rights era. <<For some reason, you asking for porn strikes me as odd.>> Don't know him very well, do you. <<Then again, I am a borderline eunech and I have a breast fixation.>> How are those not mutually exclusive? O_o <<Do you want to hear the story of touchdown Jesus :)>> <blink> O_o

Ravyn> <> Your loss. Not to mention Coyote's. :P <<I had a work meeting last night, and some of my coworkers and I passed the first hour by basically MST'ing the speakers... then I passed the second hour by teaching everyone in my row how to fold their meeting handouts into origami ducks. What a productive meeting. :)>> Sounds fun. What is your job? ^_^

Spacebabie> <<an HP pavilion 7905 with the pentium 4 and Windows XP>> Is it true that XP won't rip MP3s?

Hyperion> Computer woes> ACK. O_o Where are you Mr. Disconnect? I have many stinging jellyfish for your bunghole...<<most of my life I've heard Hell described as a place of infernal torment ...all fine, but what about the motives behind the entity that runs it? Obviously he must also have an agenda...>> Exactly. He wants to take over Heaven. I'm not sure he knows what he's getting into...anyhow, he seems to want to corrupt and destroy humanity while he's at it.

SOROW> <<As of October 1, 2001 I been a loyal member of this CR for THREE YEARS!>> Kewlies! Ah, they grow up so fast. :`)

Traveler> <<What you will actually be experiencing and taking part of is the sweeping away of the last of the Old World that refused to adapt and change when faced with a culture(s) and world that, ironically enough, could not have come to fruition without the critical role their own ancestral clerics and scholars played in birthing it ages ago.>> Hee hee...I like the way you think. <> Dude, for the first time ever, you're scaring me. Seriously. Someone please tell me that none of the people we've just ticked off have transcontinental strike capabilities?

Fleur> <<When the weather's grey, so am I, it's as simple as that.>> I'm strange...I like overcast days with cold drizzle, like you'd see in a Tim Burton movie. I find it oddly serene. (Storms, on the other hand...) <<How 'bout I call you if there's a nuclear winter? :)>> Cool. I'll bring the marshmallows to roast over the radioactive mutant animals. ^_^ <> Oops. O_o

Metaldemon> <<It says so much about the Jungian shadow of the second self.>> I'm very interested in the Jungian shadow (Wraith: The Oblivion will do that to you)...it seems to me that the shadow developing its own independent sentience, as seems to have happened in Fight Club, can account for a few of the more interesting abnormal psychologies. (Jung rules, Freud drools. Sorry, just had to say that.)

Skippy> Welcome back! 8D

David G> <> Isn't there a Klingon script font somewheres?

Aris> Hi. ^_^ <<http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/aa011.htm>> <reads, taps talons, seethes> O'Hair wrote this. That tends to cast doubt on whether Bush actually said this. Anybody click the link at the bottom of the page, then the article links on that page? Choosing not to participate in religion is fair enough, but wanting to eradicate religion from public thinking as O'Hair does is just bigotry...she is the Jerry Falwell of athiesm.

Lady Mystic> Glad you're better. ^_^

Robby> <<try and hold back on the cursing for the sake of being polite.>> Does that mean I can't say frell anymore? :P
The Walrus Was Wilek
Thursday, October 11, 2001 05:24:43 AM
IP: host130.the-cloak.com

Robby: Well, seeing as how the most offensive people in here post in Red...

DOH!
Josh
Thursday, October 11, 2001 04:03:27 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Keeping this seperate from the other post...

Firestorm- I saw footage of the new Vampire Hunter D flick at San Diego comicon. It looked pretty sweet. It was completed in Japan some time ago, and someone or another has the American rights to release it...
Robby
Thursday, October 11, 2001 03:51:46 AM
IP: ac95340d.ipt.aol.com

Official stand on Moonbeam's post... I'm not gonna ban him. However, I *AM* going to ban Greg, Gunjack, Ravyn, Fire Storm, Patrick, Lynati, Josh, Jan, Skippy, metaldemon, double ban Greg just cause, Entity, DPH, Enambu, Gside, SJ, Traveler, SOROW, and Lady Mystic. You're all banned! Why? Because I happen to agree with Moonbeam and I don't like the fact that your opinions aren't the same as his, so I'm gonna censor the lot of ya! 8P

Seriously folks, the room rules say you can't talk explicitly about porn and you can't flame somebody for the sake of flaming, and as a side recommendation, to try and hold back on the cursing for the sake of being polite. And even on those aspects we admins tend to let things slide generally. If an argument can be settled in short order its allowed to play out, and "talking explicitly about porn" has to be pretty dang explicit before it warants a response. Whether Moonbeam meant what he said or it was a parody or whatever, you're allowed to say pretty much whatever you want in here without censorship. As the saying goes, I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it. Which is why groups like NAMBLA (And I don't mean the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes) are allowed to exist. So sorry if something offends you and you want it striken from the archive, but that is NOT going to happen. After all, once you've started down that path, whats to stop someone from saying "I'm offended by the color red! Could you wipe all the posts from the archive that are in red?" So, not going to happen. Just go back to your normal buisness folks.
Robby
Thursday, October 11, 2001 03:48:09 AM
IP: ac95340d.ipt.aol.com

oops, there should be an ***END GOD STUFF*** right before DPH's post
Josh
Thursday, October 11, 2001 03:33:43 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

hey folks!

Today was a VERY good day!

First, I got back my fluids midterm: 27/30! I must know my fluids!

God, that sounded gross.

Then, I took my rediculously easy stat midterm. How's this for luck: in building my cheat sheat the five minutes before the quiz, I copied the exact equation I needed to solve one of the problems.

After that I got back my materials midterm. I got a 79...and the mean was a 59! SWEET!

So midterms are finally over, but I'll probably wait a week to find out what I got on my stat test. Oh well, at least I don't have to stress for a while.

In other news, I AM UNEMPLOYED! WOOHOO!

Normally, you'd think being unemployed sucks. My boss told me he couldn't afford to maintain the contract we re-negotiated about a month ago. I said "that's fine, but I can't work anymore". He still wants me to hang around, check in every once in a while, and I'm on emergency call if they need me. And I'm still scheduled to work MacWorld Expo, which means I get to go to the Keynote speech.

All that...and I don't have to work. 'course, that means I'm not getting paid either, but so be it.

So I'm effectively free from stress on two ends: no job, no schoolwork (well, some schoolwork, but very little).

JOY!

And I just made the COOLEST icon from the garg picture that Niamhgold drew for me for my birthday. It ROCKS and it just became my permanent hard drive icon. My standard Unseelie Star is now my backup drive.

***GOD ARGUMENT STUFF***

Alright, here's my offical stance, despite whatever smart-assed personal replies I may have put in the "you" section of my post.

I really don't think that any public offical should be spouting out of the bible (or any religious text, for that matter), assuming that everyone has read it. That just isn't right. Separation of church and state may not legally exist in the constitution, but the supreme court does currently uphold it, which means that its real and EVERYONE (even the president) is subject to it. The only documents that should be quoted from in that fashion are the documents upon which this country was founded. The three in glass cases under special lighting in Washington, D.C. No others.

The President of the United States represents the people. Its fine for him to be his own person, but as a representative of the people he must represent ALL people, not just the Christian majority of the country.

That said, I don't personally find everyone and their dog ending every other sentence with "god bless america" any more offensive than when someone says "god bless you" when I sneeze. Its an expression, nothing more.

I think its really easy for the Christians to point at the atheists and say "what's up your butt?" because they are in the majority. I doubt they would like it so much if they were on the receiving end. Suppose the catch phrase was "praise Allah" or "may Satan feast on your soul". A little perspective doesn't hurt here.

DPH: I've shipped your stuff. Check your email. <<I'm having some trouble distinguishing between SJ's post, Imzadi's post, and GXB's post because I am reading pretty much the same thing in each post and all three use the same color of red>>: Well, SJ and I are the same person, so you can assume that any post that comes from him is also coming from me, and vice versa. Seriously, though. SJ seems to be a bit more outspoken and politically volatile. I'm a bit more calm with more personal responses to everyone, and Greg is the brief political commentator. Hope that helps.

Patrick: <<I'm back from sunny, warm Southern California now>>: I need a trip home myself. <<so I get to dive right into the fall yardwork, too>>: Isn't that special? <<recognize that it bears no semblance to the illustrations in Yellow Submarine album cover>>: LOL! <<

Jan: <<The inmate who received a cavity search this past weekend is now saying that he's going to sue the sheriff's dept. for rape>>: Only im America. Don't you just love this country? <<how it's THEIR right not to believe>>: I believe Kyle from "South Park" would say it best: "Don't belittle my people!" ;-) <<If you don't believe in it, then what's the harm in him doing that? It means nothing to you, right>>: The problem is that the president is supposed to represent EVERYONE, not just the religious majority. <<Just because the man is the president doesn't mean that he cannot be a practicing Christian>>: No, but it does mean that he can't be emphasizing or promoting one religion over another. <>: I'm sorry, do you consider this to be a valid source of information? The memories of eight or ten of your friends?

Skippy: <>: I wonder if she'll be hotter when she's evil...

Entity: <<Maybe it's more like my reaction to the 11th's theme song>>: LOL! <<thinks that a Religion class should be required of all American high school students>>: I took a comparative religions class when I was in junior high. The problem is: where does one draw the line between a comparative religion class and a bible study (or similar) class? <<You must know a lot of assholes>>: Right here. <<Are you honestly saying you feel threatened by the .05 percent of the population that identifies itself athiest>>: If the answer is yes, someone has serious insecurity issues. <>: What country do you live in?

Lain: <<thats a lot of wasted hot air>>: This is America. We INVENTED wasted air.

Revel: <<Don't make me beat people with the ugly stick>>: Most already have been beaten with the ugly stick. <<shouldn't that post say something along the lines of, "MMWWWWAAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH>>: Why? <<then flash of a sinister smile?>>: I have a permanently sinister smile. <<But some day I'm going to pay>>: That day arrived for me this year...and believe me it sucked.

Moochie: << your school conducted an psychological expiriment that consisted of getting students drunk and showing them porn?>>: I AM TRANSFERRING! No, wait, that school would be cold in the winter. <<7 1/2 hours>>: Jeez man, how are you still alive?! <<Straw Man arguements are the sign of either a weak position or a weak intellect>>: Agreed. <>: I'm going to assume you mean college and not the CR. Believe me, I know the feeling. I've managed to narrowly avoid multiple breakdowns this semester. <<Never get a second-hand heart>>: Do you have one? <<to listen, you need ears>>: Or in this case, eyes. And a brain helps. <<This isn't a christian nation>>: No, but it is a nation dominated by Christians. <<the Supreme Court once thought slavery was A-OK>>: Yeah, but that was then. I don't think the Supreme Court is gonna turn around any day and say "um, we were wrong. Church and State should NOT be separate. And while we're at it, that slavery thing rocked. Let's do that too." <<journalists and politicians who wouldn't know repentence if it bit them in the hindquarters>>: I don't know about them, but if repentance bit ME in the hindquarters I'd be PISSED! <<Or changed the penny to read "In Mt. St. Helen's we trust">>: That would be freakin' hillarious! Maybe I should just start thinking "in god we trust" is a joke. <<You'd be spitting fire, Jannie>>: boy would I pay to see that one. <>: Muffy knew you wouldn't respect her in the morning! <<I've just accused people of being sheep. Am I wrong?>>: Don't be rediculous. Of course you aren't. <>: I thought it was funny as all hell. The problem is that for me, at Berkeley, that post is only halfway between joke and reality. <<Locke is the devil>>: The founding fathers of this country would beg to differ.

Aris: Thanks for the link. Interesting story.

Steve: Hmmm...interesting. And very funny...to a Berkeley student.

Greg: <<this has got to be a joke.>>: It'd be funnier if it wasn't. <<I've matured a lot since then... or I like to think I have at any rate>>: Wouldn't we all? I think it takes more balls to admit that you haven't 8-) <<The real enemy is Osama bin Laden and everyone else involved in this>>: Actually, no. The real enemy is me, and everyone else who wants to take over the world. Like you. <>: I think we should do some amalgamation of that and the Tiny Toons song and make it the official motto song of the CR. <<I'm just saying that there are much more important things to worry about than religion>>: Wrong. There is never ANYTHING more important to worry about in this country than civil liberties. Which is why this terrorism is creating such a problem. The more terrorism we see, the more people's rights are gonna be put on the back burner. And the more we'll hear things like "stop complaining, we've got bigger problems right now". <<Left wing or right wing>>: Usually not. I find few people who opposite sides of that fence on a particular issue being friends. If I were a social right winger instead of a financial right winger, I would have a VERY different group of friends. <<Anyone who wants to live in a country where religion is banned, move to a Communist country>>: I don't want it banned. I want it kept in its place. Which is to say, I don't want it shoved at me from all angles.

Ravyn: <<I'm not even allowing this jerk the privilege of a reply>>: You realize that by commenting on it you're giving him all the attention he needs?

FS: <<lockpicking skills>>: Where did that come from? <<make the govenor some rebel leader>>: Oh, that's worked like a CHARM before, hasn't it? <<Thats what my TI-83 is for>>: All hail the TI-83! <<Sisters>>: LOL. <<Is that standard or extra>>: Depends on where you get your software ;-) <<can you watch TV>>: All 600 channels of it. <<Can you play computer games>>: Well, if you count StarCraft, then yes. <<Then it beats this place by far>>: Yes, I suppose you're right. However, now your job pays...and I'm jobless. <<gasp gets old soon>>: Yes, but does it get old faster than cheese? <<that can still run stuff is perfect to see if macs are decent>>: I'd disagree, but then again I have a dual-800 G4. <<see how different a mac is>>: That is true. <<How things can run on the system>>: But without a decent processor, you can't really tell what's going to run faster on a real machine. So you can't tell how you might enjoy another system. I guess this is my dad's philosophy. When you start a new hobby, you go in all the way, otherwise you won't know if you're really enjoying it. <<This CR is in America>>: You mean I can't commit crimes here and get away with it!? <<About me. About you>>: Is it in the sub-cockles?

Lynati: <<do the rest of all of you guys want to vote on this?>>: And after that, what's to stop Aingeal from "voting" me off this little island? <<I'm just against deliberate idiocy>>: there's a fine line between the two.

Metaldemon: <<Can we not have an opinion that's differant than yours>>: Of course not fool! I will crush you! ;-)

Emambu: <<Real post before I die guys, honest>>: Yeah, right.

Gside: <<Isn't she>>: No. <<Which is why they're officially hourly exams>>: Not at this school. <<You're a geek in a highly math related field>>: Details, details. <>: Probably not very...generally we don't count anything in music that takes less than a 1/64 of a second. <<The Duba Duo are Wilek and Warpmind. Gunjack and I have similarly skewed minds, so I have postulated there is something odd about the letters G and W>>: Wurzel? <<Gay F-A Porcupines>>: I'm an equal opportunity porcupine employer. <<but it does have connotations. Not as fun as the vinyl one, though>>: But that one comes from Fleur. You might as well speculate on me and her. <<but none of us are female>>: This is true. Well how about that Niamh's posts are only matched (on the female side) by Fleur, and that my posts to her (however infrequent) are also very long? <<And never go in agains a Sicilian when death is on the line>>: Well, yeah, but that just didn't seem to have any relevance here. <>: I would have signed up.

Sevarius Jr: <<Is Greg a second clone? Dear God, is Josh multiplying?>>: Doubtful. Greg and I have been seen in the same place at the same time....RIGHT GUYS?!

Traveler: <<Or if the universe has been on a bender lately, a 12 step program at the Betty Ford clinic rooming with Charlie Sheen>>: Among other famous people. <<You do realize that you just agreed with me>>: Why wouldn't I? You seem fairly intelligent. <<take a baseball bat to the 'nads of the male students so they can't reproduce and continue to give CA and Berkley and bad name>>: Okay I take back the intelligent comment. Obviously the male students at Berkeley are not entirely responsible for the bad reputation. The women help. A LOT. They shouldn't reproduce either. The last thing we need are MORE kids who don't shower and have dreadlocks. And lets not forget that the guys here are so desperate that they'll follow any girl into the fires of hell, so a protest seems like a small favor for the 0.0001% chance they'll get laid. <<Then seduce the female students and bring them over to the Dark Side>>: EEWWWW! Have you SEEN the female students here!? I've been here over two years, and my friends and I have counted 10 cute girls. 10, out of 15 THOUSAND. I'm not seducing ANYONE up here. <>: I have met only a few women here that are smart enough to be useful members of the Nuke program. And I wouldn't want to seduce any of them. Hey, do you/did you go to school here? <>: Every room needs at least 20. <>: What about Denis Leary's book?

SOROW: <<I'm really, really creative>>: I'll bet you are ::wink wink::

Lady Mystic: Welcome back! Glad you're feeling better. <<I'll update the TGS CR Info pages later today>>: You work way too hard for us. <<Rhetorical question>>: Does that mean I don't get to stupidly answer it? <>: Its necessary, since we don't want people including flames in their profiles. That would BITE, since we can't really respond.

Okay folks I'm crashing. This has been a long post, brought to you by the letters F, U, and the number 69.

I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die.
-Mr. Garrison, South Park

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, October 11, 2001 03:32:21 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Hi everyone! :)

I've recovered from Strep Throat and the flu and am feeling much better now. I was ill for nearly the whole month of September. (I hadn't been sick that frequently in such a short time in YEARS! I really hope it doesn't become commonplace again.)

My connection to the TGS server has been unstable tonight so I'll update the TGS CR Info pages later today, pending connection stability. Thank you for being so patient and understanding. :)

Lynati:

<<Is there anyway you can remove ..."stuff"... like that post from being put into the archives with the rest of our Real Poster's writing? I mean, I know that all our regular complaints and flame wars and stuff get put in, but this isn't even...you know what I mean. This isn't from one of us, and I don't believe it is worth saving.>>

As FS said, I can but I won't. There are probably a *lot* of things in the CR Archive that, in this community's generalized public opinion, aren't worth being archived. I agree that the archive is quite large and that certain "useless" posts needn't be saved. But what constitutes as useless in a forum where discussions aren't restricted to a narrow spectrum of topics? The CR Archive is a complete "diary" (as complete as can be) of the forum's past -- the good, the bad, the glorious, the humorous, the idiotic, the imaginative, the narrow minded, etc -- and makes the CR what it is today. All events of our past dictate what we talk about in here, how we react to certain comments, which posters we ally with or against, which posters we befriend, etc. To erase one post or comment within a post can lead to the deletion of all remarks made concerning said post or comment. Why delete the comment but not the reactions? (Rhetorical question.)

Since the CR Archive is meant to be a complete diary, restricting the archive to posts made by "real members" may imply that the "outsiders" have no effect on the happenings of this forum and its members. Past events can disprove this. *If* I were to omit anything from the archives it would probably have been the Doug/Kit fiasco or the reoccurring flame war(s) that never truly ended. (I'll refrain from stating names of those involved.) But those events have drastically affected this community. Their effects can still be witnessed to this day. No matter how idiotic, insensitive, malicious, sickening, X rated, or private a comment might be, if it was submitted to this page and didn't get deleted by one of the CR Admins then it stays in the archive. I am sure of only one occurrence (out of two, although there may have been more) where a post was literally deleted from the forum (note: not the CR Archive) and that was way back when DumlaoX was the CR Admin. People post here at their own risk. If a poster shouldn't have written something then that person has to deal with the consequences: flames, banishment, difference of opinion, reprimands, lack of support, etc.

There are things I have said in the past that I regret. However, I am not exempt from this practice and will *not* erase even my own (or FS's or the admins') past posts or comments.

I didn't really need to explain all this since FS answered your question but thought since the topic of censorship of the CR Archive came up that I should explain my point of view on the matter. I feel bad enough for feeling the need to censor member profiles (which I will hopefully be accepting within the month).

Please understand that I am not offended by your request. I'm surprised someone didn't make the request sooner, as a result of some hideous flame war.
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Head Admin of TGS CR Info
Thursday, October 11, 2001 02:56:35 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Ladies and gentlemen, the opposite extreme ;)

I will say though Gunjack, you are right on one thing, this is not a Christian Nation, and I am happy about that.

The best thing about this country is the diversity you find among the people who live here. It's certainly my favorite. I can sit down at a coffee shop with a fellow Atheist, a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, (geez, way too many to list) and have a conversation and/or share a friendship with them. Left wing or right wing. You don't see this in many other countries.

If the President reads from the Bible, and people say God Bless America, that is not mixing religion with government. An example of nations where religion and government are one and the same... Afghanastan, Iran.

Anyone who wants to live in a country where religion and government are the same... move to one. I've already listed Iran. Also, the Bahamas don't separate church from state and apparantly banned "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" because of a certain scene with Carrie Fisher. Censorship, one of the greatest evils.

Anyone who wants to live in a country where religion is banned, move to a Communist country.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, October 11, 2001 01:38:47 AM
IP: dialin-736-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Josh> I'm really, really creative.
SOROW
Thursday, October 11, 2001 01:34:12 AM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Why is it I always end up with Government whenever the bloodlust hits? Curious, that...

C'mon, tick-tock, tick-tock....
Gunjack "heheheheeheeheeHEEHEEHEEHEEBWAHAHAHAHAHAHA *gaaaasp*" Valentine
Thursday, October 11, 2001 01:26:06 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Green Baron: <<It's good to see you post again.>> Well it's good to be back Bob. >;P
<<This new war makes me curious. Will we handle with treachery and brains, or with brawn, emotions, and sacrificing our allies and soldiers without need.>> New war? Uhhh... war is war is war my little odd green friend. The object is as has always been... to remove a group's ability to do something, and the quickest usually most effective way is to destroy their ability to do it rather than convince them it's in their best interests otherwise. Now in a conventional sense that is destroying equipment, infrastructure and most importantly the personal. The reason this is being called a "New War" is because it doesn't quite resemble any of the wars (or conflicts) fought by the U.S.A. in the past century or so, but if you look a little further back and to other countries... Ask what is this conflict? A large group of what could be called "revolutionaries" based in several countries. This group, which has in the past angered the U.S. Government, has now angered the American people themselves and shocked the rest of the western world in the shear magnitude of an attack directed for the most part on civilians. That was a tactical mistake for now the U.S. Government has near free reign to take any steps necessary to utterly destroy these revolutionaries. Most of the equipment and what was left of their infrastructure in Afghanistan is being taken care of as we speak by the more visible part of our armed forces and from what I've heard Britain�s with other Nations acting in a logistics capacity. However as President Bush and others in his administration and Government have said... most of what happens (and is undoubtedly happing now as well) will never be reported, at least for the next few decades. Most of this will be dealing with the third object to be destroyed, the people of the opposing force. We may find out we have captured someone, however the details of how will not be disclosed for a very long time if ever. We're (hopefully) not going to stop with Afghanistan either, there ARE targets in other countries already and I'd place money on it. Afghanistan is simply being made the example, the other countries will give us free reign to take and arrest or bomb whomever we wish in their country "OR ELSE" we've got a carrier group and some B-1B's and B-2's standing by.

<<America is turning into Rome.>> Dude... out founding fathers partially modeled our Government after ancient Rome's. Hey theirs lasted about 2000 years, why not take a few queues from them? I think you're just to comfortable dealing with Cold War politics and economics that you grew up with to accept the shift and work with it instead of wishing for the "good old days".

Gside: <<<<And so the next steps in the eternal dance are occurring>>: Is history conducted in three or one?>> 42 step. Or if the universe has been on a bender lately, a 12 step program at the Betty Ford clinic rooming with Charlie Sheen.

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel: <<<<Don't expect that we will not get stung, perhaps badly, again>>: I agree. This will probably get ugly.>> You do realize that you just agreed with me. That in itself is a bad sign. heheheh... <<Are you sure that IP is right? I couid swear steve was EVERY BERKELEY STUDENT I KNOW>> Do me a favor, take a baseball bat to the 'nads of the male students so they can't reproduce and continue to give CA and Berkley and bad name. Then seduce the female students and bring them over to the Dark Side. I want at least 20% of them to switch majors to the wonderful Nuclear Physics program there.

Fleur: <<You always return when things are exploding: buildings, webs, tempers... ;) Well written post, BTW.>> Thank you and yes, I tend to be a creature of conflict. Here have a refill for your flamethrower. >:)) BTW how are things in your neck of the planet?

In regards to the Steve "Moonbeam" Anderson post: BBUUWWWHAHAHAHAHHA!!! I have not read such comedy since my last trip to www.theonion.com and www.bbspot.com, you should apply!
Traveler
Thursday, October 11, 2001 01:15:56 AM
IP: ny-hamburg3a-220.buf.adelphia.net

I think I need to get out of here. You ever get that feeling? When you hit a certian level of mental stress, when clear things become obscure and obscure things very, very clear?

Never get a second-hand heart. It may have strings attached.

Entity><<Okay, first of all, only Gunjack seems to have realized that what Moonbeam wrote was a SATIRE.>> To truly understand, you've got to listen. And to listen, you need ears.
...
And If I write any more on that topic, I'll say something I might actually live to regret. Incredibly enough, that means I still care.

Jan><<It�s reassuring to hear it and say it.>> That depends on: a) how easily you're reassured, and b) whether the person who's saying it has any clue what the heck they're talking about.
<<What I don�t understand is why atheist get so warped over people saying good things about God?>> I don't know about athiests, but I can tell you why it bothers me, and that might give a hint to why it bothers Mere.
It bothers me because it's all a freakin' LIE. Want in on a little secret? This isn't a christian nation, and it hasn't been for at least the last... oh, century, maybe? Certianly it wasn't back in the forties and fifties. It sure as HECK wasn't back when Tommy Boy drafted the Decleration and the Constitution. The Founders, or at least most of them, didn't even believe in the bible. Go read up on your philosophical history. They were adherents to DEISM, which is kinda the bastard child of Theism and Atheism. It's the half-assed belief that, while there IS a God, that fact means absolutely nothing.
Then there's the small fact that the term "Christian Nation" is an oxymoron in the first place. Incidentally, this is the GOOD reason behind the extremist "seperation of Church and State" point of view that bans any religious expression on the part of any government official. (And remember, kiddies, there IS no seperation of "Church and State" in the actual constitution; the Supreme Court may say it's there, but the Supreme Court once thought slavery was A-OK...); simply put, when you mix religion (an inherently idealist movement) with politics (an inherintly pragmatic movement), religion usually ends up on the short end of the stick.
So; Christian Nations don't exist, and this wouldn't be one even if they did. Where that leaves us is that all those things that we cling to so tightly (prayer in school? God on our money?) is actually a MASK. it's a farce. A step up from believing in Santa Clause, but just a really small one. It's an attempt to gain the warm, snuggly, huggy-wuggy parts of christianity without having to accept the hard, prickly parts.
"Well, I may not follow this GOD fellow, but since he loves ALL americans, he's got an eye out for me anyway. Assuming he exists, which I don't."
When athiests object to it, they're simply displaying commendable intellectual honesty. When Christians complaining about being shoved out of the schools, out of the courts, out of every official place, they're clinging to something that isn't theirs, and never was.
And when I hear reporters and journalists and politicians who wouldn't know repentence if it bit them in the hindquarters mouthing off "God Bless America", all I can think is, "Why SHOULD he!?"

In short, America's distinct brand of facade religion is an intellectual insult, and its' recent upswelling is the worst sort of theological fence-sitting.

Incidentally, has it ever occured to you that maybe God doesn't consider it to be in his Church's best interests to be allowed to remain fat, lazy, and stupid? Could your theology survive the collapse of America?

<<If some other religion that believed that Mt. St. Helen�s was their God and they said, �Mt. St. Helen bless America�...>> And if they led a prayer to Mt. St. Helen's at the next presidential innaguration? Or changed the penny to read "In Mt. St. Helen's we trust"? You'd be spitting fire, Jannie. Admit it.

<<If that�s what they want to say, if that�s how they believe and if that�s what brings them comfort, then who is it hurting?>> Hurting? Say, rather, DISGUSTING. I can't speak for the athiests, but it disgusts me to hear people act like sheep. I can respect a true Christian, and I can respect an athiest. I have no respect for a sheep.

<> Mmm. Perhaps she SHOULD have said M*@#&!%(#^&@$ instead.

Or maybe I'm just wigged. Bear in mind, I AM running on eight weeks of sleep deprivation, constant sickness, and emotional stress. It might also be added to the record that my mind has been unravelling in new, interesting ways, some of which have prompted me to (disasterous) spontanious outbursts of low-grade violence against people half again my weight and twice my strength.

Or maybe that's just a cheap $@^&ing dodge, a lame attempt to avoid the hatemail I know some of you are already writing. So let's scrap that, and just stick with cases. I've just accused people of being sheep. Am I wrong?

You know what really scares me? I can't tell if people honestly didn't realize that "Moonbeam" was a fake, or else just didn't care.

Michael Singleton><<Incredibly enough, that means I still care.>> HA!! You crack me up, 'mano! Look at you! Ready to put your fist through a wall, or slam your face through a mirror, all because of one too many softairs in the arm... No sense of moderation. You don't give two S**** about the twin towers, but the idea of Nad and Yad and Gabby going poof takes your whole world apart. Your world must be awfully small. It's all you have, isn't it?

Would we fly like angels?

Ooops, and weren't you supposed to be studying for that history test tomorrow? Naughty naughty... There's a good lad. Run off to your books, just like you always have... While he's going to work, gentle people, click on the link for a perfect little story that we REALLY shouldn't have reread tonight. Locke is the devil.

One I love
Two, she loves
And three
she's true
To Me...

-Karen Kasey, "One, I love"

I'll be better in the mo-o-orning
Nevermind me...
I'm all right...

-Mighty Mighty Bosstones, "Nevermind Me"
Gunjack "I Do Not Come To Bring Peace, But A Sword" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 11, 2001 01:06:27 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Oh geez,

Entity, I'm not saying you're being unAmerican. I'm just saying that there are much more important things to worry about than religion.

I'm worrying about the next Terrorist attack, I live very close to NYC. I also live close to the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant, five minutes away from it. If it were destroyed, it'd be enough to seriously fuck over New York City. Hell, I'm worried about it no matter where it happens.

"God Bless America" is the least of what you should be worrying about now. Hell, if this war wasn't going on, there's a chance I'd be complaining about it a little. But now is not the time. Check the archives for my comments on religion, and the fights I got into over them. If I can put all that aside, you should to.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:14:18 AM
IP: dialin-736-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

I personally find Moonbeam's post to be brilliant and hysterical.

And, unfortunately, you must admit that, pissed off at "him" as you may or may not be, there ARE people in this country that DO feel that way. Is it their freedom to feel that way? Certainly! Would I laugh if I saw someone kicking their ass? Damn straight.

Oh, and fellow Real American Heroes, Greg X and Pat Toman, our weekly meeting of The Superpatriots has been moved from Friday to Saturday. See you there! ;)

<<Madalyn O'Hair>> Well then, okay. If the whole Bush thing came from her, than I absolutely would NEVER BELIEVE IT. Why? Because she's as ridiculously biased and partisan as��hey, me!

Entity: I'll pray for your soul. Godless Christian-hating heathen.
Okay, I'm sorry, now I'm being a smartass. ;) Oh wait, that would imply that at some point I *stopped* being a smartass, and I just don't think that's the case�

Lynati: Why censor Moonbeam? If the admins won't censor JackaL (and I would hope not!), they certainly will let Moonbeam post his stuff. C'mon, it was a goofy joke. Perhaps a mean-spirited one, but he wasn't serious. You can be angry, and that may be well justified, but don't go and ask for his censorship.

DPH: <<Aside from personal references, I'm having some trouble distinguishing between SJ's post, Imzadi's post, and GXB's post because I am reading pretty much the same thing in each post and all three use the same color of red.>> Is Greg a second clone? Dear God, is Josh multiplying?

Robby: << In the course of the episode, a big mean, crazy villain Gorilla showed up... Voiced by Kieth David.>> I'm not into Tarzan. But I'd be damn excited if Keith David joined the group Gorillaz. God, now THAT would be cool.

Stephen: YES! It is Ron Bennington and Fez Marie Whatley. They do a show in NYC now, "The Ron and Fez Show". It's great. I only wish it was nationally syndicated. Anyway, they still do the Nature Boy from time to time, but most of the Florida cast has been left in the Sunshine State. Although occasionally they still talk to Flipper on the phone.

Oh, and for a parting rant-esque sentence, I'd just like to reaffirm my statement that Hollywood is made of nothing but pussies. Look, "stars", no terrorist on the planet will want to attack you. Why? Because they, like me, don't give a damn about you.

"You STINK."
--- Jim Norton

Sevarius "I like me! And I'm going to help you like you!" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:08:32 AM
IP: cache-3.lnh.md.webcache.rcn.net

Here I was wondering how I could get assembly to recognize ctrl-c, enter as an input, when all they wanted was an infinite loop to break. And next week should be ugly, too.

Imzadi> <<if I can have friends, anyone can>>: Except me.
<<You'd think you were the center of attention or something>>: Isn't she?
<<Is it just me or is that against the definition of a MIDterm?>>: Which is why they're officially hourly exams.
<<Because...?>>: I'd do it for free.
<<i'm not technically an engineer yet. I'm just a geek>>: Close enough. You're a geek in a highly math related field.
<<He wasn't happy>>: But he isn't alive, so why should I care?
<<Not nearly as annoying as pi>>: I wonder how accurate conductors could get the extra .1415926535...
<<if you saw the other things>>: I'd have a lot more proof.
<<Is this some new rock group?>>: The Duba Duo are Wilek and Warpmind. Gunjack and I have similarly skewed minds, so I have postulated there is something odd about the letters G and W.
<<It prevents the good people from getting hired>>: But I'm not hiring anyone. I'm providing a service to the world.
<<Of the flying attack variety>>: Gay F-A Porcupines? I wouldn't think there'd be that many out there.
<<Its just a nickname, really>>: True, but it does have connotations. Not as fun as the vinyl one, though.
<>: but none of us are female. Or at least we don't claim to be.
<<Never get involved in a land war in Asia!>>: And never go in agains a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Gunjack> <<your school conducted an psychological expiriment that consisted of getting students drunk and showing them porn?>>: I had not heard that. I might have signed up were it not for the drinking.

Fire Storm> <<Just don't have a lot of their music>>: I'll get around to the pandas eventually.
<<I've seen worse... MUCH worse>>: You mean the dissected anime chicks?
<>: Trippy.
<<Or just about anything from Sexy Losers>>: Just Shinta.

Skippy> Read the book, only saw scenes of the movie.

Emambu> <>: C14, if I remember. And it's all a bluff, anyway.

For some absurdism, the new mp3 is I Want a New Duck by Weird Al. Though I wouldn't name mine Bruce. But it'd still rhyme.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:05:42 AM
IP: nat01-mccr-ext.rutgers.edu

Greg Bishansky: <Tim, I think the "Asshole" song needs to be posted here again>
Dennis Lery's "Asshole?"

"Folks, I would like to sing a song about the American dream
About me. About you."
;)
Fire Storm
Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:01:47 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Greg> I'm sorry, I forgot that discussion in times of crises is really dissension. What am I thinking expressing a viewpoint when there are missiles to shoot. Certainly we can't focus our attention on anything else but WATCHING the missiles. Meanwhile, it's become un-American to speak unless it's to say God-fucking-Bless America.

I want Osama bin Laden dead, I just don't want to sacrifice my faith in a free nation that's incorruptable in the process. But that's becoming harder to do.

"Shut your mouth in the name of unity" has a peculiar ring to it. I'm sure it's sounded through countries like Germany, Italy, and Russia before.

But then again, you're right, I'm just running in circles. I'll just silence. Tip me off when it's "ok" to come back in here.
Entity
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:58:05 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

DPH <>

Tim, I think the "Asshole" song needs to be posted here again ;)
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:45:03 PM
IP: dialin-736-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*peeks in*

Skippy: *grins* Doesn't the ragtag country beat the US in that movie though? I think they steal a 'Q' bomb or something.

Real post before I die guys, honest.

---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hotmail.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:44:13 PM
IP: dorms-pppoe-1-64-237.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu

The CR archives are a record of what happens in the CR - the good, the bad, and the ugly. I don't believe in editing out the CR archives unless a post broke the PG/P13 rating for the room in a major way.

This is twice in two weeks that somebody has shown just to put their announcement about trying to bring up Gargoyles. I'm ignoring that post to say except to say that people doing that really aren't using their heads: don't they realize if we could have brought Gargoyles back by petitions or letter writing, it would have been done by now. As I understand gargoyle convention attendance is the primary means of getting Disney to restart Gargoyles.

Aside from personal references, I'm having some trouble distinguishing between SJ's post, Imzadi's post, and GXB's post because I am reading pretty much the same thing in each post and all three use the same color of red.

It's raining outside. I had plans to get to sleep sooner, but I was preparing a roast for supper tomorrow. Beef, celery, onion, carrots, and potatoes. I really wish I could find a much bigger crockpot, though, at least three times bigger than my current one.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:40:24 PM
IP: max1-68.cwy.cei.net

ENTITY> Actually us Atheists make up 10% of the population. And while I understand what you are saying, I don't think that now is the time for this. Can you put this on hold for at least a couple of months, now is the time for all of us to be united, despite our personal beliefs.

The real enemy is Osama bin Laden and everyone else involved in this.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:25:33 PM
IP: dialin-736-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

*smirks at Pat's post*

Okay, first of all, only Gunjack seems to have realized that what Moonbeam wrote was a SATIRE. Come on, guys, it starts to get obviously self-deprecating fairly soon in.

As for No. 2 on Patrick's bitch list:

Jan> <<<... it's ok for a non-believer to continuously remind everyone that they are a non-believer, but when a believer says that they believe in God, the non-believer goes beserk and starts whining or yelling about how it's THEIR right not to believe.>>> You must know a lot of assholes. I am very accepting of others' religions. (Note: Accepting, not merely tolerant.)

<<<just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean that everyone else has to not speak of it.>>> Of course not. But when I say I don't believe in God, I am voicing an OPINION. When our President calls on God to sanctify our country, he is voicing a TRUTH. He is not calling on the God he personally believes in, he is calling on the God that's THERE.

<<<Why is the president not allowed to read from his book of faith in troubled times?>>> Because, like I said, he's not treating the Bible as he would treat the Koran. If he quoted the Koran, he would say "I will now quote from the Koran, the sacred book of the Islam faith." If he quotes from the Bible, he doesn't put it into context, he assumes the context is already there. He speaks as if the Bible's authority is without saying, and you know what? It ISN'T! It is a masterful work of history, literature and religion, but it is NOT our country's Constitution, which is about the ONLY document that gets the right of ultimate authority.

<<<He's not demanding or making it a law that EVeryOne read and believe in the Bible.>>> Do you know the difference between a sin and a sin of omission? It's the difference between saying you have to believe in the Bible, and reading the Bible AS IF you should.

<<<Just because the man is the president doesn't mean that he cannot be a practicing Christian.>>> Is he saying "In this time of crises, I personally turn to my faith. I am Christian, and I would now like to read from..." No, he just READS.

<<>> Christians stopped being persecuted long ago. They're the majority. Are you honestly saying you feel threatened by the .05 percent of the population that identifies itself athiest?
Entity
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:17:11 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

write to Disney tell them you want gargoyles back for new seasons and new episodes.
guest.mail@online.disney.com
http://59201587.home.icq.com/announcement.html
demona11 - [guest.mail@online.disney.com ]
USAWednesday, October 10, 2001 11:00:43 PM
IP: host-209-214-104-182.bhm.bellsouth.net

write to Disney tell them you want gargoyles back for new seasons and new episodes.
guest.mail@online.disney.com
demona11 - [guest.mail@online.disney.com ]
USAWednesday, October 10, 2001 10:59:13 PM
IP: host-209-214-104-182.bhm.bellsouth.net

write to Disney tell them you want gargoyles back for new seasons and new episodes.
guest.mail@online.disney.com
demona11 - [guest.mail@online.disney.com ]
USAWednesday, October 10, 2001 10:56:36 PM
IP: host-209-214-104-182.bhm.bellsouth.net

Not all Atheists are that way. I know I've had fights with people about this in here months ago, but I've matured a lot since then... or I like to think I have at any rate ;)

I have no problem at all with the President reading from the Bible in times of stress, sure I don't believe a word of it, but he does. Right now his already difficult job has gotten a whole lot harder, and he's done a great job handling it. Yes, I, the biggest anti-Bush person here during Election 2000 am now praising the guy. That has got to say something.

People are turning to what comforts them, finding comfort in God (whether it be God, Jehova, Allah, Zeus, Ra, Isis, Ganisha (sp?)) or anything else is fine. I'm currently finding comfort by occasionally escaping from reality in reading a good book, watching a movie that I enjoy, and helping to plan out TGS's next season. Whatever gets yo through it.

I'll say God Bless America also. Not for belief in the him/her/it/whatever, but because God is a symbol of many people's beliefs right now, and if God is helping people cope with this, well I don't need to believe in God to know that this is a good thing.

"My favorite brand of cigarettes is Camel. I like the smoothness when it goes down my throat."
-God
"Tom Green: The Early Years Part 2"
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:14:09 PM
IP: dialin-736-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Patrick> Did you ever stop and consider that some of us aren't flower-power pacifists; that some of us are pacifists because our religion demands it. Yeah, remember: "blessed are the peacemakers..." and "turn the other cheek...." Some of us actually try to practice that and take it to heart. WHAT A CONCEPT! Can we not have an opinion that's differant than yours? I have never once gone out and thrown flowers at anybody, or have never done any other of the half-brained accusations thrown at me by war-hungry citizins.
So what if I don't support my country in augmenting a war. Why does it bother you? If your so truly and totally secure in your beliefs that war is the solution, you should not be bothered that I don't share the same opinion any more than it bothers me that you believe in war. Besides, I have just as much right in public to declare my belief as you do.
"Don't care what they may say,
We've got that attitude.
Don't care what they may do
We've got that attitude.
We've got the P.M.A*
*Positve Mental Attitude."
-Bad Brains "Attitude."
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 09:36:09 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Fire Storm <<Afganistan: I say that after we bomb the living hell out of the country, we take it over. I mean as a colony/state of the United States.>>

Anybody ever hear of an old Peter Sellers movie called "The Mouse That Roared"? It's all about this small excessively poor country that decides to declare war on the United States with the plan on losing so they would be taken over and given a much needed economic boost.

The frightening thing is, if you apply that scenario to Afganistan, it makes waaaay too much sense.....:)

Skippy The Klingon
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 09:29:45 PM
IP: ppp93.tele-base.net

Patrick> thank you and very well said :)
I have thought the same thing... it's ok for a non-believer to continuously remind everyone that they are a non-believer, but when a believer says that they believe in God, the non-believer goes beserk and starts whining or yelling about how it's THEIR right not to believe.

Enity> just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean that everyone else has to not speak of it. A Christian's belief in God is far too personal and strong for that.
You talk of acceptance but yet atheist are the first to not be accepting of those who do believe in God. Sure, a lot of them will say, "you believe in God, I don't.. that's fine with me" But it's fine with them as long as *I* don't say anything positive about God, it's fine with them as long as I don't stop and say a short silent prayer before a meal in public or want a moment of silence before a high school football game, or until President Bush reads a scripture from the Bible. If you don't believe in it, then what's the harm in him doing that? It means nothing to you, right? Why is the president not allowed to read from his book of faith in troubled times? He's not demanding or making it a law that EVeryOne read and believe in the Bible. There is no violation of church and state here. Just because the man is the president doesn't mean that he cannot be a practicing Christian. Like I said, he's not forcing anyone else to be a christian too.
It would be the same as when someone reads or quotes from some philosophy book that I think is ridiculous... I ignore it. It doesn't hurt me because I don't believe in it. I certainly don't feel threatened... but some atheist sure seem to react as if they are threatened if someone reads from the Bible, quotes the Bible, or says something positive about God. go figure.
Sorry Enity, I'm don't mean to come down on you or anything like that... I just get frustrated sometimes at how it seems as if being a Christian is something that one has to hide or be afraid to say because of being blasted by all of the "non-Christians".
I understand your point *nods* and I hope that you can understand mine :) I'm not very good at expressing myself too clearly O_o
Back to the God Bless America... there's even a song that says that, geesh - get over it, people. They said God Bless America all the time during the Viet-Nam war, the Gulf War, WW1, WW2, Korean, etc.

I don't believe the article about Bush. For one thing, it has the name O'Hair on it. For another, I don't put much stock or faith in an internet type article such as that one. I have asked around to several people and not one person remembers this being said by Bush. This would have been way too big of a deal to let it be swept under the carpet.
Jan - [May God Continue Blessing America]
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 09:26:39 PM
IP: modem16-24.mo-net.com

*leans in*
I thought as much, but still thought it worth mentioning.
I'm not against freedom of expression; I'm just against deliberate idiocy.
But thank you for anwsering so quickly. (really; I'm not being sarcastic.)
*waves and goes off to study*
Lynati
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 09:20:42 PM
IP: 2cust81.tnt1.kansas-city.mo.da.uu.net

Lynati: <Is there anyway you can remove ..."stuff"... like that post from being put into the archives with the rest of our Real Poster's writing?>
I think I can speak for LM on this one.
Yes , she CAN, but she won't.
We do no censor. Everyone who is not banned has a right to post in here.
She never removed any talk of Abraham Linclon's Talking Esophogus or Crackers the Lobster.
Prick or not, Right or wrong, what he said should stay.
If we vote to take his post out of here, whats to keep us from voting to silence someone elses voice?

Just because his point of view differs from many peoples, he still has a right to say it.

This CR is in America, and there still is freedom of speech (IN THEORY AT LEAST. No arguements about that, ok?).

I say his post stays.
Fire Storm
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 09:00:28 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Are you sure that IP is right? I couid swear steve was EVERY BERKELEY STUDENT I KNOW
Josh
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:51:37 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

*leans in*

Hey, Lady Mystic, you do such a wonderful job of keeping up on our archive updates...But I have to ask...
Is there anyway you can remove ..."stuff"... like that post from being put into the archives with the rest of our Real Poster's writing? I mean, I know that all our regular complaints and flame wars and stuff get put in, but this isn't even...you know what I mean. This isn't from one of us, and I don't believe it is worth saving.

If this is possible to so, do the rest of all of you guys want to vote on this? If enough people don;t feel it is worth the bother-or whatever- I'll let it drop.
But our archives are large enough with "seriuos" stuff, as is.

*out*
Lynati
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:50:13 PM
IP: 2cust81.tnt1.kansas-city.mo.da.uu.net

*Sticks Jun back in, with yet another sign*

"Aris: SHMACKETY! Not pretty. Amazed it didn't show up before now (The press could have had some REAL fun with that during the election). Would still like to see a closer source (I don't trust Mrs. O'hair further than I can through her), but the evidence seems clear. Thank you."
Gunjack "Shocked, shocked and outraged" Valentine
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:47:07 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

:: just rolls eyes at Moonbeam ::

Okay... this was going to just be a comment, but not it is a rant. As of 8:38 PM EDT, I have officially had enough of the following two things:

1. Pacifist crybabies indulging in idealistic fantasies that if we just summon enough flower power, we can make the world a place of peace and love, and whining that the big bad USA should just roll over and take it and do whatever it takes to appease the terrorists, because of course, Vulcan logic states that if we give them what they want they won't bother us anymore. I congratulate you for being lucky enough in life never to encounter a schoolyard bully or any other such unpleasant person, but at the same time I ask that you take a moment or two to reflect on the REAL state of affairs in the world, and recognize that it bears no semblance to the illustrations in Yellow Submarine album cover.

2. Atheists griping and moaning about seeing and hearing "God bless America" everywhere, suddenly terrified for some unknown reason by all the people who are rediscovering their religion again. Please... if you are so truly and totally secure in your atheist beliefs, it should not bother you that I do not share them any more than it bothers me that you don't believe in God. I have just as much right to declare my belief in public as you do to declare your non-belief, and if that in and of itself threatens you, perhaps that's sign that maybe your belief in non-belief is not truly as strong as you want to believe it is.

And on that note... GOD BLESS AMERICA.

:: gets out some marshmallows in preparation for the flames, and goes off to CNN.com to read the latest news on the bombings and check out the "before" and "after" spy satelite photos ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:45:39 PM
IP: aca5d1b3.ipt.aol.com

Ph34r m4 1337 10c|< P1c|k1ng sk1llz!

Gunjack: 
No, it's the pressure on your neck that does it! ;)
But yes, that would probally hurt that way after a few minutes.
But, of course, if it is a neck vein, the brain would stop processing info first.

SJ: <This already gets my vote for most disturbing fanfic every written. And you haven't even written it yet.>
The one I have written is not that bad.
The one I am unsure if I even WANT to write on the other hand...
<What should I expect from the man who used to write prose featuring gratuitous cannibalism?>
What can I say! I am gifted!
Note to self: Write more of the HFS stories.
<Ever hear them?>
The gay eskimo song? Hell yeah I heard of them!
Just don't have a lot of their music.
<He's like Kirk, only none of his girls are green-skinned>
Well, if you count the acid-type dreams... even Dargo and Rigel!
BAD, BAD leather S&M Rigel!

Afganistan: I say that after we bomb the living hell out of the country, we take it over.
I mean as a colony/state of the United States.
The people there are living in hell. Living in hell, you need a reason to live. That reason is making other peoples lives miserable (Not all of them, just the annoying few)
If we make that country nice and well built, give them the ability to grow food, watch MTV, and make the women free, there will be less terrorism in that area.
Just make the govenor of the country some rebel leader. Make him a puppet. If he gets too rowdy, make him have an 'accident'

Gside: 
Thats what my TI-83 is for.
<On your knees, slave>
Yes master... ok, sorry. I just can't do it.
Ah, I've seen worse... MUCH worse.
<You mean, "Forget that! I'm not going to eat anything you've just been in, that's disgusting."?>
You bet.
<But do you have a bottle of Misson Haut Brion Bordeaux 1992?>
DAMN! I KNEW I was missing something!
<Oh great, now I'm getting precdictable>
Na. I am just phycedelic.

Imzadi: <opens the path to all kinds of incest jokes>
Nothings better than a mothers loving
Sisters: Can't kill'em, can't f$&k 'em
Or just about anything from Sexy Losers
<Use matlab>
Is that standard or extra?
<What was that line?>
Gside said it and I quoted it above.
<Was that just setup?>
Na. Just worked out that way.
<You think my apartment is so exciting? I wish!>
Can you watch TV?
Can you play computer games?
Then it beats this place by FAR!
<Why don't they go for GASP quality!? Doesn't anyone care about that stuff?>
Gasp gets old soon.

Not really. I think a low to mid range system that can still runn stuff is perfect to see if Macs are decent. It would allow me to see how different a Mac is and how things can run on the system. Processing speed would be unimportant at this point. IF I later deem that a Mac is worth a further look, then yes, I might get a better system and then do more with it.
But at this point, I am sticking with my Windows systems.
<"OS X runs like crap on this machine, macs suck!">
Heck, if it ran and gave me the oppertinity to use a test system, I would be happy.
For the most part, it would probally be used to test websites to make sure they are Mac compatable.
<There's a good use of your connection>
But I couldn't reach RealPlayer.com
SUCKS!

I am not too fond of it.
<But no power supply...>
A $5 plug change. I have a power supply for all laptops. Just need to change the plug.

Skippy: WELCOME BACK!
<he ended up on an alien planet and was being kept alive by an energy being he called the Companion>
Who played him in the old series?

Warpmind: <So xenos are hard to turn into a frantic state, huh? Want to test that, shall we?>
I should probally clarify: Those of us VERY high on the monarchy are hard to frenzy. Without my control, my children are very easy to frenzy.

Gavin: <'Zits' fan, huh?>
Why whatever do you mean? ;)

Hey! What ever happened to the remake of Vampire Hunter D?
Fire Storm
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:44:24 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Valentine leans back in with a snort of disgust, and cuts a few stitches loose*

Greg/Ravyn - It's not a joke, guys, it's a fabrication. Someone is angry at the people who don't approve of the war (Go-errr, An Unnamed Higher Power forbid that they think THAT), and so they're casting the peace-lover's arguments in as bad a light as possible. Can't you guys tell a fake argument when you hear one?

...

Good Lor-errr, some OTHER unnamed diety, but I'm gonna get pounded again...
Gunjack "If We Hurt The Ones We Love, I Must Be The World's Biggest Narcissist" Valentine
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:38:18 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Greg, I'm with you on this one... this has *got* to be some joke. I'm not even allowing this jerk the privilege of a reply.
Ravyn
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:26:16 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

*Valentine looks at the Moonbeam post, shakes his head, and holds up a sign*

"Ad Hominim all the way, eh chums? Straw Man arguements are the sign of either a weak position or a weak intellect. I'd comment in detail, but my lips are stitched together and my ribs hurt."

*With that, he fades*
Gunjack "Chop Chop" Valentine
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:23:51 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

::reads Steve's post:: Okay... this has got to be a joke.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:22:56 PM
IP: dialin-736-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hello, I'm new here. I cam across this comment room a few days ago and I just wanted to put up my $.02 about the recent events.

I am just horrified and shocked that there are so many people in her who are supporting this war! I thought that people who would be fans of a show like Gargoyles would understand that retribution is never the answer. I can't believe that this comment room, or the rest of the country for that matter, has been overun with hateful warmongers!

I can't believe how wacked out everything has been. Take today for example, I woke up this morning around 10ish with the inexplicable urge to shame my nation. So I sat in my dorm room listening to Rage Against the Machine while I read some old Noam Chomsky speeches and I pondered how I could turn the deaths of thousands and the suffering of millions against my own nation. Then something really special occurred to me, so I pulled out my cellie and called up my posse. Then I busted out my Sharpies and made some mad signs and posters. They were sweet. After that I picked up my cellie and called my uncle, he was in Vietnam you know... I called him a baby killer and a fascist asshole. It really set the tone for me. Then I smoked some herb. Yeah, that set the tone too.

I met my friends in the courtyard to hold our peace rally. We looked so cool, but there was something missing. We couldn't figure it out, I mean we were all there... I had my sign and my coolest techvest... and yet there was something missing. After a moment I figured it out, we forgot our coffee. So we skidaddled over to the finest house of brew ever, Starbucks. Some Arab dude was working the counter. He got us our Carmel Mocha Latt�'s and started wiping the counters. I looked at him and expressed my sympathy, I knew the man would be coming down on him hard. He just kind of looked at me, but I could tell by the look in his eyes that he knew I was on the level with him and that I had his back when Whitey came down. He didn't say anything, he just pointed to the American flag in the window. The flames in his eyes told me one thing... he wanted it burned. I nodded and said "Yeah, don't worry man... me too."

When we got back to the courtyard we were so buzzed on java that we couldn't protest so we decided to cozy up to a joint or two until we grounded. Around 4pm we were ready to protest the use of military force on Afghanistan. I mean we shouted a whole bunch of shit, I'll be damned if I knew what it all meant though. I pretty much just repeated what my proffessor said, he was an activist back in the day so he knew just what to say. I mean, he's a professor at a major university that's got to count for something.

Around 4:30 some self proclaimed "real Americans" came up and started shouting at us about "respect" and "dignity" and "justice." Sure, I know the words, but I didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Whatever it was they were clearly wrong for every possible intellectual reason in the book. I mean, we're talking about saving children from evil American baby killers. Come on! What in the world could justify the death of another human being? Hey, it's not like the World Trade Center wasn't promoting the sinister and malevolent agenda of global capitalism. Yeah, it's sad that a lot of people died, but it was a justified attack. It was a big pimple on the ass of civilization so it was only a matter of time before someone popped it. Look at what we've done to them. Americans go to other countries and strangle old men while forcing themselves on their wrinkly old wives and they laugh while they do it. That's what we do so it's no wonder they want to kill us all. The people in those buildings were guilty by association! So I don't know where these "real Americans" get off telling us to go out and kill more babies. If I wanted to kill babies I'd go to a Pro-Choice rally.

We must have protested until quarter after 6. WHAT AN EXPERIENCE! I just hope our signs (mine was red like blood) will convince our fellow Americans to disband the military and to bend over and take it like a man when these third world freedom fighters attack us again. I mean it's an endless circle of violence and it's only a matter of time before they realize that we understand their fury. Then we can dial them up on our cellies and invite them over for some Frappa Mochaccino's and a little hashish.

Well, the day is done and the battle is won. Finally, a battle that doesn't end in the death of babies. Hopefully our protest will help to bring about the end of the globalized exploitation of children at the hands of cut throat American corporations. Hopefully, it'll end the needless slaughter of innocence in foreign lands by the Naziesque American Military Regime. We can only hope that this will end the circle of violence started by American oppression of the Arab nations and the political monopoly of the oil companies. There is just so much hope in the world. We'll win this, but when we do... everyone will win and freedom and liberty and social justice will shine through. Then we can sit back and smoke a doob with our professors. After all they were the real heroes back in the 60's when people were dying, they fought the good fight with signs and chants and montras.

I think I'll lay back in bed tonight and reflect upon the day, I'll listen to some Public Enemy and trip on some acid. My stash is running low, I'll have to call Mommy and Daddy to ask for an increase in my allowance. I'd do it right now but I can't find my fingers and my cellie looks like a bright green potato with ears... sweet.

Steve "Moonbeam" Anderson
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:10:02 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

Hello, I'm new here. I cam across this comment room a few days ago and I just wanted to put up my $.02 about the recent events.

I am just horrified and shocked that there are so many people in her who are supporting this war! I thought that people who would be fans of a show like Gargoyles would understand that retribution is never the answer. I can't believe that this comment room, or the rest of the country for that matter, has been overun with hateful warmongers!

I can't believe how wacked out everything has been. Take today for example, I woke up this morning around 10ish with the inexplicable urge to shame my nation. So I sat in my dorm room listening to Rage Against the Machine while I read some old Noam Chomsky speeches and I pondered how I could turn the deaths of thousands and the suffering of millions against my own nation. Then something really special occurred to me, so I pulled out my cellie and called up my posse. Then I busted out my Sharpies and made some mad signs and posters. They were sweet. After that I picked up my cellie and called my uncle, he was in Vietnam you know... I called him a baby killer and a fascist asshole. It really set the tone for me. Then I smoked some herb. Yeah, that set the tone too.

I met my friends in the courtyard to hold our peace rally. We looked so cool, but there was something missing. We couldn't figure it out, I mean we were all there... I had my sign and my coolest techvest... and yet there was something missing. After a moment I figured it out, we forgot our coffee. So we skidaddled over to the finest house of brew ever, Starbucks. Some Arab dude was working the counter. He got us our Carmel Mocha Latt�'s and started wiping the counters. I looked at him and expressed my sympathy, I knew the man would be coming down on him hard. He just kind of looked at me, but I could tell by the look in his eyes that he knew I was on the level with him and that I had his back when Whitey came down. He didn't say anything, he just pointed to the American flag in the window. The flames in his eyes told me one thing... he wanted it burned. I nodded and said "Yeah, don't worry man... me too."

When we got back to the courtyard we were so buzzed on java that we couldn't protest so we decided to cozy up to a joint or two until we grounded. Around 4pm we were ready to protest the use of military force on Afghanistan. I mean we shouted a whole bunch of shit, I'll be damned if I knew what it all meant though. I pretty much just repeated what my proffessor said, he was an activist back in the day so he knew just what to say. I mean, he's a professor at a major university that's got to count for something.

Around 4:30 some self proclaimed "real Americans" came up and started shouting at us about "respect" and "dignity" and "justice." Sure, I know the words, but I didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Whatever it was they were clearly wrong for every possible intellectual reason in the book. I mean, we're talking about saving children from evil American baby killers. Come on! What in the world could justify the death of another human being? Hey, it's not like the World Trade Center wasn't promoting the sinister and malevolent agenda of global capitalism. Yeah, it's sad that a lot of people died, but it was a justified attack. It was a big pimple on the ass of civilization so it was only a matter of time before someone popped it. Look at what we've done to them. Americans go to other countries and strangle old men while forcing themselves on their wrinkly old wives and they laugh while they do it. That's what we do so it's no wonder they want to kill us all. The people in those buildings were guilty by association! So I don't know where these "real Americans" get off telling us to go out and kill more babies. If I wanted to kill babies I'd go to a Pro-Choice rally.

We must have protested until quarter after 6. WHAT AN EXPERIENCE! I just hope our signs (mine was red like blood) will convince our fellow Americans to disband the military and to bend over and take it like a man when these third world freedom fighters attack us again. I mean it's an endless circle of violence and it's only a matter of time before they realize that we understand their fury. Then we can dial them up on our cellies and invite them over for some Frappa Mochaccino's and a little hashish.

Well, the day is done and the battle is won. Finally, a battle that doesn't end in the death of babies. Hopefully our protest will help to bring about the end of the globalized exploitation of children at the hands of cut throat American corporations. Hopefully, it'll end the needless slaughter of innocence in foreign lands by the Naziesque American Military Regime. We can only hope that this will end the circle of violence started by American oppression of the Arab nations and the political monopoly of the oil companies. There is just so much hope in the world. We'll win this, but when we do... everyone will win and freedom and liberty and social justice will shine through. Then we can sit back and smoke a doob with our professors. After all they were the real heroes back in the 60's when people were dying, they fought the good fight with signs and chants and montras.

I think I'll lay back in bed tonight and reflect upon the day, I'll listen to some Public Enemy and trip on some acid. My stash is running low, I'll have to call Mommy and Daddy to ask for an increase in my allowance. I'd do it right now but I can't find my fingers and my cellie looks like a bright green potato with ears... sweet.

Anonymous
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:08:53 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/aa011.htm
Aris Katsaris
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:07:45 PM
IP: athe530-p004.otenet.gr

Gunjack> Phew! Thanx for clearing that up. I really do wish I could find some way of confirming it. Perhaps this is something Bush said before he began to run, or else something he said after retiring from the office. Some comment made by an ex-President on a golf course somewhere might not get so much publicity. *shrug* I'm just gratified that everyone else's reactions were as awed and indignant as mine.

Jan> When it's coming down from our President, from our Senators, from our Congressmen, from our news reporters... from every official outlet imaginable, day after day... that's what hits it home. As an athiest (as I've just decided to go back to) I hear all of the references to God and Christianity, and it's just stifling. I went to a Catholic school all my life, and I currently go to a Methodist university. I'm comfortable with the religion. But recent weeks have been too much for *me*. And frankly, it also draws into question the separation of Church and State, IMHO. I mean, we're not allowed to include religion in schools, but we ARE allowed to brainwash people with mass media? I'm someone who thinks that a Religion class should be required of all American high school students, because of the ignorance I observe in society on other religions and on people's OWN religions. But for our President to quote the Bible -- not as an authoritative historical or literary source -- but as, well, Bible Truth... that's disturbing to me.
Entity
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:04:24 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Revel> <<Athiest not loving America- Don't make me beat people with the ugly stick. I'm with Lynati, you do not have to believe in a higher power to believe in your country.>>
Don�t get your panties in a wad over this ;) �. It has not been proven that it was even said and no one has agreed with what he has supposedly said. I can�t think of anyone in here who would agree with such a thing.
I�m with Gunjack � if he really did say that, we would have all heard about it and it would have been replayed over and over in the media recently. The media hated Bush, so they would have gone ape-shit over something like that.
<< Ol' GregX over there has to be one of the most patriotic people in here.>> agreed! =)

Lain> :saying God Bless America: it�s reassuring to hear it and say it. As you claim to be such an expert on the Bible, you should also know that proclaiming God�s grace and mercy is done many times over and not just once. The same with praying/making requests. Prayers are not necessarily answered after ONE prayer� sometimes it takes several times of requesting for a prayer to be answered.
What I don�t understand is why atheist get so warped over people saying good things about God? If you don�t believe in God, then it shouldn�t faze you one way or the other. I don�t believe in some of the other �religions� or beliefs so I usually ignore what are said about them. If some other religion that believed that Mt. St. Helen�s was their God and they said, �Mt. St. Helen bless America� So? Big deal! If that�s what they want to say, if that�s how they believe and if that�s what brings them comfort, then who is it hurting?
God Bless America has been said and believed in for longer than you and I have been around so it�s not like it�s something that you are hearing for the first time nor is it a new catch phrase. I don�t consider anyone who says �God Bless America� to be a �*&#@%$ moron!!"

Gunjack> I find it very offensive for someone to use God�s name in vain too. God is spiritual and something that is very personal and emotional. I don�t disrespect other people�s gods and would like to have that respect returned. Of all the cuss words to use, why must they choose that one particular one, you know? Sure, it may not mean a thing to them, but they know that it�s something that other people hold dear and respectful.

Today was busy back in booking. Every time I went back there, they had 2-3 people waiting in line to be printed and processed. O_o

Officers had to pick up a couple of young punks� seems as if they decided to attempt to beat the crud out of this gal� they were very surprised when she beat the crud out of them, instead! *L* The principal and other staffers had to pull the gal off of the 2 boys. I saw the boys when they came in� they were no lightweights but they were sure beat up. It was hard to keep from snickering at them. Hehe LOOSERS! Think twice before taking on some of these farm gals from the hills! They wrestle all kinds of varmints, including males ;)

Green Baron> thanks! *sits next to the mailbox waiting for the invitation* ; )

Drats� storm is back so I must disconnect once again.

Jan
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 07:08:07 PM
IP: modem18-136.mo-net.com

Entity - I said "EXPECT a retraction, not post one yourself. As in, the paper (or whatever) will be printing one in the near future. Sorry about that; I thought about posting again to clarify, but I was hoping it wouldn't be necessary.

Not my day, people, not my day...
Gunjack "Please, Pity Me?" Valentine
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 06:58:25 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Gunjack> I don't want to cause dissension, but I honestly find the notion of me "retracting" and "apologizing" quite ridiculous. I've kinda felt a slight 'What are you trying to pull?' vibe in here even before this, so let me clarify: I intentionally put Bush's quote in single paranthesis, in addition to very fully laying out where I saw it: a wired-in editorial in my school newspaper. I drew no conclusions. I posted it with no 'agenda.' Call it bullshit if you like. I was too young during the Bush administration to have any kind of bias to him. I was simply taken aback that such a sentence could be uttered by ANY modern-day President of the United States.
Entity
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 06:43:43 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

*Val putters into the room, tired from a looooong day of classes [Jun: "All 7 1/2 hours. Oh, you poor baby."], plops down at his desk, fires up his computer to check his email, and is promptly blown across the CR in a flaming parabolic arc not wholely unlike a rainbow. He bounces twice, and skids for ten feet before being decisively halted by the far wall.*

Heeheeheeheehe... Ow. Would someone please remind me NOT to pick fights with people bigger or stronger than I am? I think the masochism is getting out of hand...

Lain - Check yer email again, please? And Chad offered to set me up with a phone card "in my time of need", so I might be able to call you tonight... Stay safe, alright?

*Pulls self painfully to feet, and lurches back over to his desk to sew his mouth shut*
Gunjack "Stitchlips" Valentine
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 04:44:28 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

I've discovered that thinking like Tyler Durden can bring you many things, all of them painful. My ribs feel like a well-played xylophone...

Lain><<save your breath, in my opinion.>> You never know... maybe he gets a kick out of the repitition. ; ) Oh yeah, and check yer email; I'm looking forward to replies.
For myself, it kinda annoys me to hear people using the name of my God in vain. Most of these people don't even believe in the God of the Bible, yet as soon as they get spooked, they come running to hide behind his skirts. Or maybe I'm just cranky.

Bush's Supposed Athiest Comment - I'd expect an apology and a retraction in the near future, entity. You can be VERY sure that if Bush had ever said that, people would have DANGED well remembered it.

Totally Random - Did you know, Gside, that in the name of science, your school conducted an psychological expiriment that consisted of getting students drunk and showing them porn? o.O
Gunjack "Imperialist SCHVINE!" Valentine
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 02:47:42 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

lain> I don't have a source. :)

Slight correction> In my last post, I mean "let me DOWN," not "let me out." *roll eyes*
Entity
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 02:00:06 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Going to be a long day today. Painting stuff, laundry, and probably something else that is temporarily avoiding me. On an update I have heard that Leslie's grandfather has a tumor on his lef lung and they will have to cut it out. They are going to give him an MRI today to see if he has it anywhere else as well.

Athiest not loving America- Don't make me beat people with the ugly stick. I'm with Lynati, you do not have to believe in a higher power to believe in your country. Ol' GregX over there has to be one of the most patiotic people in here.

Josh- shouldn't that post say something along the lines of, "MMWWWWAAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!" then flash of a sinister smile? I look at the bright side of taxes right now, I make less than five grand a year so I get all but FICA back. But some day I'm going to pay :(

"Sometimes I see a little leprechaun, he tells me to burn things."
-Ralph, The Simpsons-

Later
Revel - [Samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 01:24:08 PM
IP: 129.120.255.222

*enters, yawning*
my perpetual headache is wose than usual thismorning.. i woke up with a gigantic nosebleed.. i hate this thing. grawrl.

entity>> i dont think even *I* believe bush would SAY that.. he probably THINKS it, however.. id like to see your source, though.. ;)

re> GOD bless america>> the thing that annoys me about it and makes me roll my eyes and yell "shut up you *&#@%$ moron!!" at the television every time someone says that is not because GOD wont bless america or whatever, its because GOD will do whatever the heck he wants, regardless of how many times anyone says "GOD bless america" or not. i just think its redundant, unnecessary and boring to keep saying it over and over and over and over and over and over ad nausium, thats all. either he exists or he doesnt. if he exists, then he will bless america or not, no matter how much you say it, and if he doesnt then thats a lot of wasted hot air..
save your breath, in my opinion.

anyway, class is gonna start. i should stop posting and pretend to be interested. actually, i think were starting animation today, so i might ACTUALLY be interested..

love,
lain "one more day" iwakura - [sanchinwalker@hotmail.com]
the Great White North
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 01:03:33 PM
IP: joe.visual.arts.uwo.ca

SJ> <<<but I just feel that, for the time being (with the wounds still fresh), people should understand that this isn't some scheme to force God down everyone's throats, it's just using religion as a means for comfort and reassurance. But I guess some people would be pissed at even that.>>> It's not that it pisses me off, it's that it... just lets me out, I guess. I may so far as to even call it subtly disturbing. But then, maybe this is just a reminder to why I'm not a religious person.

Josh> <<<Um...no.>>> Why not? Maybe it's more like my reaction to the 11th's theme song. :)
Entity
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:17:12 AM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Pro Taliban protestor catching fire> I feel like Nelson from the Simpsons says it best: Point at the jerk and make that "Hah-Hah" noise of his...they really ought to pay more attention to fire hazard labels they stick on stuff like that :)

Buffy> I'm wondering where the season will be headed, now that Willow has stepped over that line into Black Magic, I wonder if we might be seeing more of an evil Willow.

Enterprise> If nothing else, the show has garnered more attention here than any of the previous Trek shows. I don't recall anything about Deep Space Nine or Voyager(unless the episode was excuciatingly bad)mentioned here as regularly as Enterprise has....

Skippy The Klingon - [skippytheklingon@telebase.net]
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 09:26:53 AM
IP: ppp72.tele-base.net

I just mentioned this over in the S8 room, but since mot of the people in here don't go there...

I wound up watching Tarzan the ANimated Series this morning. (Mostly by accident. I was home, and actually awake at an hour to see it.) I don't think any of the movie voices got carried over, which is a good thing in Rosie Odonnel's case... Show was half decent. Not Aladdin or Hercules, but decent. In any event, the reason its relevant to this room... In the course of the episode, a big mean, crazy villain Gorilla showed up... Voiced by Kieth David. Which was really cool. I think I'm gonna have to try and catch another ep or two to see Kieth play a villain...
Robby
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 09:24:52 AM
IP: ac87ba12.ipt.aol.com

*In, quickly*
Mooncat: it is? IT IS?? COOL! I checked just the other day...wee-hoo...* does a little happy dance*
I wonder how Laurell K. is going to try to to the "edward book". Obsidian butterfly was just too...mmm...fun!
Is there really a cross-dressing werehyena in this one?
*to class*
Lynati "Edward rules!" Kshudra
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:56:18 AM
IP: kcx-ks22a-143.rasserver.net

Patrick> Don't you just hate changing weather climates like that? I'd do that during the winter months...come to Missouri where it was cold, nasty, & snowing and drive back to Houston and be wishing I was wearing a pair of shorts by the time I got home. Now I'm going to live completely thru the winter here - I'm not looking forward to it.
Thanks for the picture! :) I had heard about this guy but haven't seen a picture of it yet. Heh, even our flag can whoop their butts ;)

SJ> I've never heard of or have seen "Nature Boy" but I wish that I have! *L* Sounds hilarious :D

The inmate who received a cavity search this past weekend is now saying that he's going to sue the sheriff's dept. for rape. *chuckles* What he's not aware of is that there are cameras in the booking area.... no rape ocurred.
Sheriff received a written complaint from a different inmate saying that another inmate was saying "mean" things to him. Ummm pardon me... YOU ARE IN JAIL! Do these people expect everyone to be sweeties and sit around singing We Are the World and practice the Golden Rule?? This is not the cream of the crop of society.... geesh, get a grip. yeah yeah, cry me a river.

I heard that the bombing has killed a couple of the "top leaders" of the Taliban, but not Osama mama or his #1 man. Ohwell, we'll just have to keep trying! ;)

gotta' get ready for work... another criminal, another bullet.
Jan
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 07:42:12 AM
IP: modem19-145.mo-net.com

Damn keyboard... Anyway, just had to comment before heading off to work.

SJ - <<First off, thank you to all of those who liked "The Nature Boy", but that wasn't my genius. I only wish that it was. If you go back and read my name for that post, I put in the tagline "For NYC radio listeners". That entire Nature Boy post was from the "Ron and Fez" show>>

Ron and Fez??? That wouldn't perchance be Ron Bennington and Fez "Marie" Watley?!? Those two were once part of the ORIGINAL "Ron & Ron Show" back here in Tampa Bay...and yes, I recall Fez doing the Nature Boy bit many times (in fact, he often did a better version than Ric Flair did!). Wonder if they still have Psychic Gary Spivey, Billy the Phone Freak and Flipper on your version?

Sadly, the Ron & Ron show tanked when the other Ron (Ron Diaz) had to quit because of his wife's illness. God, I miss those shows...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 07:14:54 AM
IP: 6535134hfc79.tampabay.rr.com

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Anonymous
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 07:10:26 AM
IP: 6535134hfc79.tampabay.rr.com

Well, I'm back from sunny, warm Southern California now... back to cold, wet Ohio. And the maple tree out front dropped half its leaves over the weekend while I was gone, so I get to dive right into the fall yardwork, too. Joy.

SJ > I remember Ric Flair. He was definitely one of the masters of the pre-match wrestling trash talk "interview." In fact, I always found those "interviews" more fun to watch than the actual matches ever were.

Re: bombings > You'd be amazed how small a target a smart bomb can find. I just hope we make sure to strap a videocamera onto the one that flies into the hole bin Laden is hiding in. I want to see the footage on CNN as it chases him down the hallway of his bunker.

I close this morning with a link to what is now so far my favorite "breaking news" photo. I scanned this in from the yesterday morning's local paper... it's a pic of what happend shortly after a group of pro-Taliban protesters tried to ignite an American flag. As they say, if you play with fire... (click my name)
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 07:05:48 AM
IP: acbad07c.ipt.aol.com

Hello.

Today was a very short day to combat the incredibly long one yesterday. I went to math, then dropped in to dynamics just long enough to get my midterm grade, my homework, the lecture notes, and get the hell out.

Somewhere along the line was a discussion, but that's hardly important.

My dynamics midterm wasn't too good. The mean was an 84, and I got a 79. If it wasn't for the 10.5 standard deviation, I'd be in C-range for sure (mean in an engineering class is a B, usually). Oh well, I'll make up for it on the next one. On second thought, who cares? Why waste so much effort? As long as I pass the semester, its all good.

Studying for my stat midterm was impossible tonight. I'm just not afraid of it, and doing those lame practice problems isn't gonna help me because I understand the concepts, so additional problems aren't improving my chances of doing better.

In other news: The Supreme Court has decided not to hear Microsoft's appeal. Good! That means that the buck stops with whatever new judge they've got. Make 'em squirm!

**BUFFY SPOILERS**

Note to self: if friends yoink me from heaven...beat them repeatedly with sporks

Other note: Is it just me or is the next episode going to be REALLY stupid?

***END BUFFY SPOILERS***

Replies:

Taleweaver: <<Must... have... TGS... fix>>: ::taps vein::

Skippy: Whoa. A bigger Trek freak than anyone in my clique used to be (none of us are anymore).

David G: <>: Are you trying to get your butt kicked at a Trek Con?

Green Baron: <<They are not violent>>: You're kidding, right? <<Land grabs don't work there>>: Never get involved in a land war in Asia! <>: Keep dreaming dude. <<You remember Kenna from G01 right>>: Nope. <<France had it since 1869, then aksed up to clean up teh mess the made>>: You have no idea what you're talking about. We imposed our presence to stop the spread of communism. That had little/nothing to do with France. <<You're ancestors probably got similar treatment here in those days>>: I won't lose any sleep over it. <<True Ted Kennedy also has a degree from Harvard.>>: So any idiot can get one. <<That wasn't my post. That was Gunjack's>> You're green, you're Christian. Same difference ;-) <<we have no idea who you are>>: I have some idea. <<Todd Jensen reveals his true form>>: Who says that was his true form?

Entity: <<This class is more like anthropology anyway>>: Jeez even worse. <>: Good man. <<Awww, dammit>>: Yeah, it was really disappointing to me too. <>: Yup me too. <<As for "Crawling," is it just me or do the lyrics to that song make it September the 11th's theme song?>>: Um...no. <>: He's half right in my case, I'm not a patriot. But I'm not a CITIZEN!? SCREW HIM! I was born here (I think).

Lynati: <<Isn't religious freedom a founding tenet of our consitiution>>: Obviously, Bush wasn't awake for that part.

Greg X: <<the guy lies and raises taxes>>: Did he actually create NEW taxes? Cuz technically, raising existing taxes isn't the same as "new taxes".

Sevarius Jr: <>: Just to clarify: I'm not upset at the use of that phrase. Everyone can use it all they want. Its when they tell me that I'm not valuable because I don't use it that I get annoyed. <<Date someone with a pulse for a change, honey.>>: She did. The army dude. Nevermind that dating your TA would NEVER happen at a UC school.

Queen of Pain: <<Two people caught anthrax from the same building>>: You stay healthy, k? Don't catch anything.

DPH: <<Did you know that is illegal proLife folks to peacefully sit down and have a partial blockade of abortion clinics?>>: Well it won't be. As long as they don't block the entrance. <<Many do that in the name of religion>>: I don't think that makes it a religious matter. <<Killinh people for committing peacefull crimes in the name of religion is persecution>>: Maybe we'll just redefine "crime" to include acts where there is actually a victim (jaywalking will no longer be a crime, but will still be punishable by death)...especially in New York. <<Destroying something small enough to be carried in a vehicle can't be done from air strikes>>: You are SO wrong. <<want to know exactly how many people died because of what Jarod thought up>>: They don't tell you. Lets just say the number of people Jarod has "killed" is probably in the millions. <<by counting time or lives saved>>: Just by dedicating his life to helping people. He's not counting either. Also, he's the only one that thinks he's guilty of anything. No one else holds it over him.

Ravyn: <<Hope you did all right on those midterms>>: Ask me again next week. <>: I hate you.

Alright folks...when next you hear from me, my midterms will be OVER! BUWAHAHAHA FINALLY! NOW MY REIGN OF TERROR CAN BEGIN!

And now you see that evil will always win, because good is dumb.
-Dark Helmut (Rich Morranis), Spaceballs

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 03:09:17 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Hey all,

Just a momentary blurb...

Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter -- NARCISSUS IN CHAINS -- is now on the book shelves. For those who like their main characters to be kick ass girls who can shoot a gun and raise a zombie, do a club scene with a master vampire and face down packs of werewolves with sex and magic (and again, guns, swords, and various weapons of mayhem) then check out the Anita Blake series.

Before Buffy met Angel, Anita Blake was matching wits with the Master of the City.

And if you've never read an Anita Blake novel before, start with Guilty Pleasures... because it's book one, and it is exactly what the name implies *^_^*

I now return you to Buffy and Angel spoilers...

meow much!
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 11:03:36 PM
IP: wks-65-30-27-68.kscable.com

SJ> **laughs** Oh, believe me, SJ, as someone who remembers an actual Ric Flair appearance... that's *awesome!* :) Thanks for posting that, Nature Boy. ;) **applauds** WHOOOO!!! ;)

Josh> Hope you did all right on those midterms. ;)

My midterms: I got an A on my *vector calc* midterm!!!!!! YEAH!!! Oh, you can't believe how surprised and happy I am for that. And that's without a curve...I feel bad ruining curves for the class, but at the same time... I got an A. ;)

And I am also jealous of anyone who got Columbus Day off. ;)

GB> <<Well, Tuscon ain't too far from Sierra Vista right?>> Well, not in Arizona terms...but the two cities are actually about 70 to 80 miles apart. ;) <<Click on my name>> Grr... stupid rival school of mine. ;)

Wow... okay, I'm suddenly gettin' really dizzy... maybe I should go rest now. ;) (I've had a cold for a few days now, and I think these cold pills make me funky...) ;) Catch y'all later!
Ravyn
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 10:29:04 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

SJ> <but I just feel that, for the time being (with the wounds still fresh), people should understand that this isn't some scheme to force God down everyone's throats, it's just using religion as a means for comfort and reassurance. But I guess some people would be pissed at even that. Blecch.> I can assure you that I am not one of those people. I know we've had disagreements on this subject before, so I felt the need to clarify it. Probably wasn't neccesary though.

*** BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS ***

Buffy was much better this week than last week.

I hope this isn't the end of the consequences over Buffy's resurection. Considering what she said at the end about being ripped out of Heaven, I doubt it.

More development on Buffy and Spike, while I'm still not loving the idea of a romance between the two, if it's well handled, I'll accept it. Hell, it'd be worth it to see Angel's reaction, he doesn't know about the 'new' Spike ;) Too bad we won't see it... lousy WB.

Is it just me, or does Willow need a good kick in the ass, and a nice bitch slap?

The demon was interesting, I half expected it to be the ghost of the fawn Willow killed, come back for revenge ;)

All and all, great episode.

ANGEL: This was great also, very intense, and I thought the episode was quite appropriate given a lot of the anti-Arab backlash. Not all Arabs are terrorists, and not all demons are evil.

Great development on Gunn. Nice to see some conflict between him and Angel. Doesn't hate Angel, but can't be his friend.

Only complaint is lack of Darla and Wolfram & Hart. But the series has been on a roll for the last three weeks, I dare say that it is better than "Buffy" right now. Hope it keeps up the great work.

*** END BUFFY/ANGEL SPOILERS ***
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 10:18:45 PM
IP: dialin-186-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Imzadi - You do mean 'Freedom of Religion' NOT 'Freedom from Religion'. I can partially understand killing people who commit violent crimes in the name of religion, but I disagree on peacefull crimes. Did you know that is illegal proLife folks to peacefully sit down and have a partial blockade of abortion clinics? Many do that in the name of religion. That's why I have to disagree about killing people for committing any crime in the name of religion. Killinh people for committing peacefull crimes in the name of religion is persecution.

Green Baron - I think Christianity was somewhat better off when it was disorganized. You understand that everybody agrees completely with the big picture. The problem is we disagree on how to get there. Here's something for you to think. We live in a DEMOCRACY not a THEOCRACY (DPH hears louds cheers in the CR). Many Christians want to allow handing out bibles back in schools, but probably yell if somebody tried to pass out the Koran in schools. But that's the way the constitution reads. So I would rather keep the bible out of schools if it also keeps books from other religions. What's your take on that?

I always figured that Saddam Hussein was kept in power because we weren't sure who would replace him and if we took Saddam out, we would have to commit troops to stay in Iraq to keep the peace.

I hate to bring this up, but destroying buildings really accomplishing unless equipment was in them. With the current technology (laptop PCs with direct satellite connection to the 'net), who needs buildings as headquarters anymore? Buildings can only be used to store things. Basic weapons can be readily reacquirred. It would only do good if things like tanks, airplanes, or a specialized labatory were inside the building. Destroying something small enough to be carried in a vehicle can't be done from air strikes (simply keep moving said object around or better yet, bury it under sand). Ground troops will be needed. Destroying the organization isn't something you can do in a matter of days (unless you stumble across lots of records that lead to more records).

**PRETENDER spoilers**
Damn, I wanted to see the series premiere tonight, since they finished airing every episode Monday night. Damn, damn, damn. I want to know exactly how many people died because of what Jarod thought up. How exactly is Jarod seeking to atone himself? by counting time or lives saved?
**END PRETENDER SPOILERS**
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 10:07:48 PM
IP: max1-57.cwy.cei.net

Sorow: How on earth do you coreograph "Papercut"?!
Josh
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 10:07:12 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Todd I was thinking the same thing..see my ANGEL review.

Well it appears to be the beggining of an epidemic here. Two people caught anthrax from the same building. This is taking place in West Palm Beach though, and I apologise before hand if this offens anybody but its like God is punishing them for tying up the presidental election.

Entity>>>I agree with Jannie I think the quote was stretched and changed arounbd. See if you can contact the writer of the article and ask him their source.

Sj>>>>Mwa ha ha ha

*********************ANGEL AND BUFFY REVIEW*****************
Angel was great, I loved where they were encouraging Fred to come outside more often, and the way Angel tried to apologise to Merl...I'm going to miss that guy. Also likes Angel's reaction to him being the number one suspect in Merls death.
"If I killed Merl would I have brought donuts?" Good development on Gunn, His reaction to the truth and his keeping it in and how he stood up to his own gang. Todd is right they were like the Joss Whedon version of Quarrymen and I loved the Furies like Todd they did remind of the Wierd sisters.
Toidd speaking of wich can you imagine if Selene,Phoebe,and Luna would just swooned and breathed the name of a guy?

Angel review. Better than last week. I like Spike's development and Buffy's readjustment, The consequence is played out. The demon was pretty average but seeing Anya possesed like that with her eyes all white and blood running down her face creeped me out in an Evil Dead sort of way. All and all pretty good episode.
**************************END SPOILERS**********************

Buffy on FX>>> just finished the first season.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida, USA
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 09:54:29 PM
IP: 2cust212.tnt3.orl3.da.uu.net

Entity> My favorite Linkin Park songs are "Papercut" "Points of Authority" and "A Place for my Head" which I am currently making dances to.
SOROW
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 09:45:30 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Josh> <<Is that the best you can do?>> nah, its just that I happened to watch animanics earlier that day and it kinda came into my mind....
Gavin
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 09:40:38 PM
IP: dh171.scarlett.mtsu.edu

Hello, studio audience!

First off, thank you to all of those who liked "The Nature Boy", but that wasn't my genius. I only wish that it was. If you go back and read my name for that post, I put in the tagline "For NYC radio listeners". That entire Nature Boy post was from the "Ron and Fez" show, on 102.7 WNEW (7 p.m. to 11) every weeknight. Terrific show. Just insane. If you could hear the bit done live onthe radio, it's much better, because it's hilarious. Especially if you're an old-time wrestling fan like Ravyn and I (who can remember exactly what a Ric Flair promo was like, and thus get the in-joke). I just thought I'd post that to bring a smile or two.

<> Yeah, and? What exactly did he say that was wrong?

Okay, there's the cheap joke from me. Now, the serious stuff. To be fair, that quote COULD have been taken out of context, or it could be exactly how it's written. I don't know. If that's taken out of context, than the whole source material is desparately needed. If it's exactly what he said and meant, than yeah, that's a pretty damn closed-minded and frightening opinion to have. It shows an EXTREMELY poor understanding of the Constitution and just what the principles that this country was formed upon are all about. I'm hoping that he really didn't say that in the way it seems he did. If he did, that does sadden me....but I have to confess that, while it bothers me, at least it was the elder Bush. If it was our current President, than that would really be cause for alarm.

I will say this though, at the risk of upsetting some people in here. I have to admitt, I do get a little upset at the growing backlash among atheists about people using the term "God bless America", etc. I know I don't have to lecture people in here about it, but when that's said, it's not an attempt IN ANY WAY to slap atheists in the face. It's just a saying that conveys good will towards Americans, and for those so inclined to believe in a God (which, if you can believe the stats, is a large percentage of the population, maybe the majority), it's a reassuring oath. I mean, atheists have a right to complain about the "G-word" being thrown about, sure, and I can see their anger, but I just feel that, for the time being (with the wounds still fresh), people should understand that this isn't some scheme to force God down everyone's throats, it's just using religion as a means for comfort and reassurance. But I guess some people would be pissed at even that. Blecch.

BUT about the Gulf War.....look, we, as a country, kind of screwed over the Iraqi people. We had the chance to take out Saddam, and we didn't. That wasn't just Bush Sr.'s fault. There was the U.N. (who always wants us to police the world, but when we want to do something for our own interests, they bitch and moan). Hell, even Colin Powell (who, I'm sorry, doesn't have a great approval rating from me so far) didn't want to pursue the matter further. So yeah, yesterday's failure to act will be today's headache. But you can't just pin the blame on Bush. Far too many shoulders bear that burden.

Metaldemon: <<Religion is about trying to acheive goodnes through living the Gospel, through an understanding of your faith. Rituals become hum-drum and lose meaning. Organizations only become poilitical and individuals within the group strive for power. >> No truer words about religion could ever be spoken. I only wish everyone in the world understood this. Too often, as is the case now with Bin Laden, religion is twisted from what it is meant to be and made into something political and goal-driven. This is why I've soured on organized religion in my own life, because I've found that, in the end, the desires of the individual always seem outweigh the true teachings of the religion. As a result, religion is given a black eye and a bad name, when usually it's the fault of those who have distorted the teachings into a perversion of the faith.

Tim: <<Hmmm... I think I see why Lain and other liberals don't visit this CR as much as they used to.>> Lain is scared of the Nature Boy? Maybe it's the energetic WHOOOOO!!!!!!

***BUFFY AND ANGEL SPOILERS****
Buffy: MUCH better effort this episode. The demon villain was fairly standard, but the character introspection was pretty damn good. Buffy is hurting because she got ripped out of heaven by her friends, which, regardless, was fairly selfish of them (even if most of us would probably do the same for friends of ours). And Spike? Say what you will about him, but the character has grown and evolved 200% (if not more) than when he first appeared. From being melancholy that Buffy's back, to being quietly ecstatic at her alive, to anger at being kept out of the loop, then his role as confidant to Buffy....I have to say, while I do feel that Spike works well as a villain, he's great as a hero as well. They've really taken a lot of time to develop his character, and I applaud them for it. There was lots of foreshadowing to the upcoming Buffy - Spike romance as well.

Geez, what's up with the Slayer and dead guys? Date someone with a pulse for a change, honey. Anyway, to steal Talweaver's grading scale, I'll give this one a B+.

ANGEL: I've read somewhere online that some people feel that this season of Angel isn't that good. I say, to those people: marijuana is a much more fun drug than black tar heroin, as there are less painful side effects, and you wind up liking....just about everything....a lot more.

This was yet another solid episode in this season. Some EXCELLENT character development on Gunn, and it was long overdo. Adds some conflict to his relationship with Angel. Also, it was good to see Fred getting something more to do besides hang out underneath card tables reading books, and it showed she has some guts to try and take on Gio. Very pleasing.

So, again, a very good effort from Angel. I'm digging this season thus far. I'll give it an A-, like Taleweaver, because I too wanted to see more of the Darla stuff, AND I'd like to see what's going on with Wolfram & Hart, but I suppose we'll see more of that later on.

****END SPOILERS***

And I'm out.

"Remember Sammy Jankis"
--- Leonard Shelby
Sevarius "Hurricane Iris" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 09:26:03 PM
IP: 66-44-93-9.s517.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Entity> I heard that Bush said that, too. One of my friend's mentioned that he said that and that was a reason as to why he was not voting for mini-Bush--I mean Bush Jr.
GB><<Religion needs to be organized, have rituals and some sort fo service>>
I think that actually ruins religion. THe only ritual Christ prescribed was Communion: "Do this in rememberance of me...." THen of course there's baptism.
Religion is about trying to acheive goodnes through living the Gospel, through an understanding of your faith. Rituals become hum-drum and lose meaning. Organizations only become poilitical and individuals within the group strive for power.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 07:56:09 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

JAN> Thanks for the correction. I never knew that. In that situation all I knew was what my parents told me, and my father is a Republican. He hated Bush Sr.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 07:35:15 PM
IP: dialin-228-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

I'm back! I'm sitting here in a library. I'm going to be inprocessing all this week before I get to my barracks and it will probably be a few days after that before I get a phone line up and running. It's nice to be home and I hope that everyone is doing well. I'd stay longer if I could be my time on the computer is up and a line is forming.

Later!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Ft. Lewis, WA, USA!
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 07:13:14 PM
IP: 207.109.87.70

* ANGEL SPOILERS *

This episode was a particularly creepy one, with the darker turn for Gunn's friends. I definitely agreed with Gunn that they'd lost sight of the mission, hunting demons now not because they were preying upon the innocent, but simply because they weren't humans. Almost turning into the "Angelverse" version of the Quarrymen, in fact.

I would have liked to know a bit more about Gio (I hope that I got his name right; the newcomer from Miami, I mean). The Host's reading of him indicated that he'd done something very nasty back home, which had evidently led to his flight to Los Angeles. He definitely had an unsavory tone about him (particularly with a feeling in his voice of a certain - well, oiliness; he almost sounded like the kind of guy who goes around flattering you shamelessly while preparing to stab you in the back with a poisoned dagger simultaneously). I got a bit of a chuckle out of his fate, though.

Looks like the Angelverse has its own weird sisters ("weird" is the right word for them in my book), and Angel-groupies at that.

I was surprised that they actually wrote out Merl the Snitch in this one. I'm glad that the Host survived, though; he's one of my favorite characters in this show.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 07:10:31 PM
IP: sdn-ar-001mosloup162.dialsprint.net

Greg> it wasn't his choice not to take out Saddam. It was the ruling of the UN. They set the regulations concerning that and he had to abide by that or risk turning many countries against us as well as the UN.
He admitted that he was faulty when he made the promise of no new taxes - but they were raised because of the democratic house/senate. I don't want to debate the pro's and con's of former President Bush, though. I did want to remind people of WHY Saddam was not taken out fatalily (sp?) when we had the chance. :)
Jan
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 07:06:24 PM
IP: modem16-41.mo-net.com

Sorry, I can't think of any way to really confirm the quote... I tried some searches online but they turned up nothing. The editorial simply said "Remember when former President Bush said..."
Entity
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 06:59:50 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Okay, that is f*cked up! I'll wait to see other sources before I decide for myself if that is bull or not. Wouldn't surprise me if he did say it though.

Geez, the guy lies and raises taxes (when a good portion of his campaign was a promise to lower them), he doesn't kill Saddam Hussein, and now maybe this. Oh well, I'll wait and see if this is true or not.

I never liked Bush Sr. His son on the other hand is doing a great job so far, and Reagan was awesome, so I'm not being partisan here at all.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 06:57:58 PM
IP: dialin-228-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net

Hey.. Entity.... see if you can't find the source of that quote.... looking for clarification... and keep in mind... people can be just plain stupid, so let's not all get pisy YET.... if it IS true tho ::evil grin::

Aingeal
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 06:47:22 PM
IP: 207.42.162.161

Yeah, this irritates me too. And I'm a republican too. Had I been able to vote at the ripe old age of 7, I would have voted for Bush...and HE SAID THAT!? What a bastard!

Anyone who tells me that I'm entitled to anything LESS than anyone else just because I don't believe in god is gonna get a serrated pike up their butt when I am king. Period.

DPH: A "REAL" freedom of worship will be established when I am king as one of the first ten things, since you asked. All crimes comitted in the name of religion will be met with the death penalty. No exception.

Is that religious persecution?
Josh
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 06:46:22 PM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

I have an extremely difficult time believing that Bush actually said that. I'm certainly not calling Enity a liar! However, I think that the original source of this so-called quote is possibly the liar.
So before people become up in arms and irate over this "quote", I would like to see more proof that it was actually ever said by President Bush.
Jan
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 06:45:16 PM
IP: modem16-41.mo-net.com

*IN*
Entity:
OKAY, THAT'S JUST F%@%ED UP RIGHT THERE!
What, atheists don't believe in god, therefore they don;t beleive in America?? What kind of Bullsh!t is THAT?!
Wasn't this country founded so that people could avoid religious persecution?
Isn't religious freedom a founding tenet of our consitiution?
Therefore granting you, as a citizen, the right to follow whatever you desire in the way of religious beliefs?
...
What a sh!thead. "Should not be considered citizens." Pfah!

Hey, SJ, can you provide some especially creative insults for the rest of this post? My own language can't seem to express the sheer idiocy I find in this man's way of thinking on this issue.

*Out*
Lynati " I am going to bed right after class tonight,, I wont be online, sorry Val" Kshudra
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 06:41:02 PM
IP: 207.94.232.52

Hey,

Sorry for double-posting, I just thought of something I thought I'd add. There's an editorial in my school paper (wired in, of course...) that addresses something that's been on my mind. I brought it up in here before: the way "God Bless America" and other religious catch phrases have been saturating the media since Sept. 11. The article writer said he was an athiest and expressed how one-sidedly the country has been expressing itself, or allowed itself to be expressed. Well, the thing that GOT me, was a quote from former Pres. Bush: 'I don't think athiests should be considered citizens, nor do I consider them patriots.'

Does that leave anyone else at just a loss for words?
Entity
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 05:44:11 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Metaldemon> Ahhh, so Camus really did have ground for claiming himself to not be an Existentialist, then. The version of Existentialism (I guess I should have given more credit to the modifier "French") I got exposed to is pretty much based on absurdism.

Josh> <<<Eh, history is a joke.>>> This class is more like anthropology anyway. <<<You mean you haven't learned yet not to go to classes before your midterm?!>>> I didn't go to 2 out of 3. :) <<<Ugh! The original hybrid theory!? SUCKED!>>> Awww, dammit.

Linkin Park> I first got into Linkin Park off "One Step Closer" and "By Myself," two great songs. The way I first heard them was through none other than DBZ music videos. I've gotten into so many bands that way... As for "Crawling," is it just me or do the lyrics to that song make it September the 11th's theme song?

Welcome back, Skippy. I'm not in here regularly (I kinda binge and then wander off, like a lost camel continuuing to re-find its way back to a water hole) but I remember ya.

Green Baron> <<<I'll show a link about Muslims that have about as much love for Bin Laden as many Christians in Ireland have for Oliver Cromwell>>> I'm more fearful for the local Muslims, who are brainwashed over there. <<<To me, a Religion needs to be organized, have rituals and some sort fo service>>> Now you're sounding like my Religions: East and West teacher. Don't you think that's a simple and limited way to look at it? You're just looking at the sum of the world's major religions, examing their parts, and then coming up with a definition. Isn't there more to religion than its most common components? If everything has to conform to its own genres most common components, we'd really find ourselves at a loss for new, different kinds of governments or sports. If breaking the mold cancels you out... what is there?
Entity
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 05:31:23 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Hello, all you wacky loony tunes. On to posting

Well, Tuscon ain't too far from Suerra Vista right?

I have a story about soemone from your rival school, you'd like. Click on my name.

Entity> <>
To me, a Religion needs to be organized, have rituals and some sort fo service. Scientology counts, and Buddhism fits the mold, though it has a certain philosophical aspect to it, that is compatible with other religions. Let me know if you find an Existentialist service.

<<Are you talking about literally?>> Yes, it is a weird feeling.

<> I'll show a link about Muslims that have about as much love for Bin Laden as many Christians in Ireland have for Oliver Cromwell. Well, they're not expressing hatred for him, but they are not buying into his hate speech.

Here is a message given by my godfather from an Arab American journalist:

>This is written by an Arab-American journalist, Joseph Farah, who seems to be
>the
>lead man in the Internet-based conservative paper, WorldNetDaily
>
>The article is pretty amazing, given the author's ethnic background.
>
>
>"I've been quiet since Israel erupted in fighting spurred by disputes over
>the Temple Mount. Until now, I haven't even bothered to say, "See, I told
>you so.". But I can't resist any longer. I feel compelled to remind you of
>the column I wrote just a couple weeks before the latest uprising. Yeah,
>folks, I predicted it.That's OK. Hold your applause. After all, I wish I had
>been wrong. More
>than 600 people have been killed since the current fighting started. And
>for what? If you believe what you read in most news sources, Palestinians
>want a
>homeland and Muslims want control over sites they consider holy. Simple,
>right?
>Well, as an Arab-American journalist who has spent some time in the Middle
>East dodging more than my share of rocks and mortar shells, I've got to tell
>you that these are just phony excuses for the rioting, trouble-making and
>land-grabbing. Isn't it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war,
>there was no
> serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?
>"Well, Farah," you might say, "that was before the Israelis seized the West
>Bank and Old Jerusalem."
> That's true. In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East
> Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat.
> They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. I can't help but wonder
>why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after
>Israel won the war.
>The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first
>time the name was
>used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews,
>smashed the
>Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the
>Romans promised,
>it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines,
>a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for
>the Romans
>to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to
>Aelia Capitolina,
>but that had even less staying power.Palestine has never existed -- before or
>since --
>as an autonomous entity Itwas ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and
>Christian crusaders, by
>the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The
>British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as
>their
>homeland. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct
>Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed
>by
>Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians
>(another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
>Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands.
>Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass. But that's too
>much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the
>fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness.
>No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be
>enough. What about Islam's holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem. Shocked?
>You
>should be. I don't expect you will ever hear this brutal truth from
>anyone else in the international media. It's just not politically correct.
>I know what you're going to say: "Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the
>Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam's third most holy sites."
>Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions
>Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never
>mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to
>suggest Mohammad ever visited Jerusalem. So how did Jerusalem become the
>third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the
>Koran, the seventeenth Sura, entitled "The Night Journey. It relates
>that in a dream or a vision Mohammed was carried by night "from the sacred
>temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed,
>that we
>might show him our signs. ..." In the seventh century, some Muslims
>identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and
>Jerusalem. And that's as close as Islam's connection with Jerusalem gets --
>myth,
>fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in
>Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham. The latest round of violence in Israel
>erupted when Likud Party leader ArielSharon tried to visit the Temple Mount,
>the foundation of the Temple built by Solomon.It is the holiest site for
>Jews.
>Sharon and his entourage were met with stones and threats. I know what it's
>like.
>I've been there. Can you imagine what it is like for Jews to be threatened,
>stoned and physically kept out of the holiest site in Judaism?
>So what's the solution to the Middle East mayhem? Well, frankly, I don't
>think there is a man-made solution to the violence. But, if there is one,
>it needs to begin with truth. Pretending will only lead to more chaos.
>Treating a 5,000-year-old birthright backed by overwhelming historical and
>archaeological evidence equally with illegitimate claims, wishes and wants
>give diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name.

Niamhgold> Well, I see you really dislike soemthing. I myself have a similar attitude about Puritans, Ted Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson.

DPH> Baptists have little to fear from the Vatican. They are not violent and we may disagree with you, but not enough to do any harm.

Fleur> Well, you should not feel bad about wanting a strike against a coward who attacked us. He is a dangerous fanatic and you know what his regiem would do to you. You are not worng to want his power eroded and the people to return to a better life. As for dreadlocks, I don't get them, granted my ancestors painted their faces blue and fought wars based on who was in who's clan.

Peace is nice to strive for, but we will have to fight soemtimes. I just think, without the US, things woudl be worse, though America has made its bloopers, we've kept some nasty foes in check, too.

As for experimenting on animals, I have little problem with using humans, but it is mildly immoral. It is for a greater cause, though.

Sovitets screwed up in another way. They fought to take land. Bad move. Land grabs don't work there. Britain knows that, only too well.

SJ> Click on my link, too. See you in August

Jannie> I'll get you an invitation :)

Bush was elected in 88, inagurated in 89. Bush Jr was inaugurated in 01.

Gside> I guess its that high purity rating.

Imzadi> <<It's easier to bribe people with countries.>> I want my ancestral baronies back and Normandy.

<<Those of us males that aren't "emotionally castrated" as you put it...we look at porn.>> I prefer reading it ::winks at Christine:: I'll tell you about Lord Verdant's Desire, sometime. You remember Kenna from G01 right?

As for castration, Atiila was a eunech and a major pervert, especially when he admitted his tail was a hentai tentacle.

<<>>: I fail to see how the atrocities in Vietnam were France's fault. WE were there.>> France had it since 1869, then aksed up to clean up teh mess the made. After WWII, we should have made France give to Ho and he'd be capitalist.

<<Heh, heh...>> Don't laugh too much. You're ancestors probably got similar treatment here in those days.

<<It'd be more impressive if he had degrees from schools that were actually recognized widely for those degrees>> True Ted Kennedy also has a degree from Harvard.

<<What an interesting little tidbit of history. I wasn't aware of that particular suicide raid.>> It was suicide, but worth it to keep the Nazis form taking your country.

<<Good for you ;) I'm sick of people saying that the band is awesome just because of "Crawling." I like "Pushing me Away," and, yes, "Runaway" is darn good (IMO, however, simply due to the subject matter of the lyrics, not as much for the instrumentals/vocals).>> That wasn't my post. That was Gunjack's. I am more into mild stuff, the most contemporary I get is Billy Joel.

<<Shows what you know. I'm suddenly finding myself the third person ghost of the CR ;)>> Well, we have no idea who you are. Todd Jensen reveals his true form, so you are the new mystery :) I think my cat hit on you, right?

As I see it, the bombins were necessary, but I think teh plan is to hit their military infrastructure and tehn let our allies, the Alliance (another Star Wars reference here. Though the Alliance and the Old Evil Empire are allied) takes over. A few civilians get hurt and I regret that, but this is war. Those that survive shall see better days and most will survive. When teh Taliban are routed, the returning refugees shall coem home to new opportunities, a new leader, and hopefully a King again.

As for Blair, I wish he would do more with Northern Ireland. I still like the "Brits Out" apporach there. He's trying, though.

Squarehead> Codename 47?

Winterwolf and Dreamie> How about East meets West :)

Silvadel> Don't forget the Alliance are our allies, and surprisingly the former Evil Empire, too.

Skippy> Welcome Back. I bet you ahve soem catching up to do. I am reading at the archives, from when I was in Training.

Now, I go. Goodnight

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 03:39:20 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

Skippy's back? Yea!

Maybe one of these days *I* will be back.

Anyway, since you're here, Skippy, I have a favor to ask of you. I need to know how to spell "I'm with dishonorable" in Klingon. I have this really twisted idea for a line of T-shirts...

Seriously. E-mail me or something, since I bet Klingon is kind of hard to type correctly in an ascii font.

David G.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 01:09:55 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

< enters wearing an unhappy face >

Gah. Did I miss Angel again this week? Could somebody enlighten me as to what time/channel it comes on?

Hi Skippy! Welcome back! < hands over a foaming mug of bloodwine >

< leaves mumbling about frelling scheduling >
Infinity
New Castle, IN, USA
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 01:00:43 PM
IP: 208.158.57.196

I had forgotten about Columbus Day entirely... My Columbus day went as follows:

1)Go to post office with 30 packages to find it closed

2)Go to the bank to find it closed

3)Go food shopping to find it crowded as ...

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I am really looking forward to timedancer also -- It is my favorate series of the 4 and the only varient series I follow.
silvadel
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 10:58:19 AM
IP: cache-2.nyw.ny.webcache.rcn.net

<<Skippy: SKIPPY!!!! The Klingon is back! Good to see your triumphant return. Is it wrong for me to hope that you have a meltdown this year thanks to some huge continuity error caused by the Enterprise show? ;)>>

When you combine the strange Klingon continuity twisting bits in Enterprise with all this discussion of existenialism, the meltdown is progressing quite well...:)

<<BTW, if you want to count, they sort of already did. Zephram Cochrane made a cameo in the first episode. It was James Cromwell, who played the same character in First Contact. He was human. Of course, this glosses over the fact that, originally, Cochrane was (I believe) from Alpha Centauri. And I don't think he was human. This is one of those George "Screw continuity, I'll make it all up while I'm having my morning BM" Lucas-type errors.>>

No, Cochrane was human. He dissapeared and was assumed dead, he ended up on an alien planet and was being kept alive by an energy being he called the Companion. It wasn't until Kirk's time that he was discovered. I don't recall anything about ZC being from Centauri....

Skippy The Klingon - [skippy_the_klingon@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 07:30:50 AM
IP: ppp95.tele-base.net

Howdy-ho good buddies,

I'm just as anxious as anyone to see the next season of Timedancer. I hope its good. (Must... have... TGS... fix)

Weekly Report Card on TV's Sci-Fi
* * * Warning Spoilers Within * * *

Angel (Last week's, not this week.)
Grade: A
A strong episode to grow on. You know will see that Dameon looking guy again. I hope we'll see Skip again. Another loveable point is Cordelia's character development. The gang is really pulling together.

Buffy
Grade: C
It felt like the story was only an hour and fifteen, but they stretched it for two. I liked everyone handling life post-Buffy. Anya was hilarious and Spike was spot on. I liked Tara's use of magic, but Willow's seemed way too powerful and arbitrary. The demon biker gang didn't do anything for me sort of like an E! new series "Wild Bunch on Sunnydale". Buffy's Resurrection left me cold, her sacrifice last season was perfect and moving. Bringing her back sort of spoils the sacrifice. I'm hoping tonight's episode will resolve some of those issues.

Enterprise
Grade: C+
Could have been a B, but they had to be some obvious with this metaphor between Hoshi and the slug. Metaphors are like jokes, if you have to explain it, it loses its meaning. I like Archer's style, but he could think things through a bit more. Not talking logic, but if you don't have weapons and you see a battle scarred ship, you should have a plan for high-tailing at the first signs of trouble.

Angel (This week's)
Grade: A-
First Cordy, now Gunn's taking a turn on that character development roller coaster. Gunn's dilemma has been a long time coming. I'm glad he found a way through it. I liked Cordy's in-joke about the writers at the beginning and the Furies who are also Angel groupies. Only snag I was hoping to see more on the prego Darla front.

Well, that's all for now. On current events, I think it was clever to attack before Columbus Day. Federal offices closed and a chance to bolster confidence for Tuesday. Everything else has been said so I'll go back to seeing things unfold.

Toddles.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 07:30:43 AM
IP: 24-205-118-23.wc-dyn.charterpipeline.com

::flops on the couch::

Ooh...tired. Long day. ::twitches::

First thing in the morning was my fluids midterm. This was after my roommate was gracious enough to wake me up at 5:15 in the morning. He and Vinay (the guy that lives below us) were talking about...whatever. Who the hell cares what they were talking about? Why were they talking so loudly at 515AM that I woke up!?

I informed them both that if they ever did it again, I would shoot them both in the their kneecaps.

The fluids midterm itself, however, was easy. Well, sorta. I didn't have any trouble with it, but I noticed that right afterwards I'd made a minor error calculating some forces. Oh well. The good news is that I caught an error made by the professor (um, excuse me, but the speed of sound in a Zinfandel is SO not 35 km/s!).

Then I got my stat quiz back: 7 out of 10. Eh, it'll do.

Then I got two stat homework grades back: 22 and 28 out of 30. Eh.

Didn't get my materials midterm back yet. Nuts. My TA says she has a much higher respect for teachers who have to grade these things, though.

I got my math midterm back: B+! Joy! So much for worrying about those stupid matricies. Now we move on to...more matricies!

My evening was spent working, sadly. But hardly a surprise, since midterms aren't quite over yet. The good news is that I got my dynamics AND stat homework done without needing any help from the TA's. That means that I won't have to come back to them later.

I know I've been talking about how perverted all my classes are, but I've been forgetting one: statistics. I know you wouldn't think that stat was perverted, but let me explain. My prof is German, and sometimes she forgets parts of words, like, say...the "s" in a plural, or the "ly" in an adverb. The result? When flipping a coin, you either "get head" or "get tail".

Note to self: flip more coins...

Oh yeah, and another thing: All you punks that had Columbus Day off...I HATE YOU ALL. I had a midterm at 10AM! And even though it wasn't hard, it still required me to get up on a day when all the OTHER schools are closed.

Replies.

Spot: Hey, do you like Less Than Jake? I ask because the fact that you posted two minutes after me last night made me think of the lyrics in one of their songs "she's half awake and half a world away..." eh, anyway.<<How did this happen? I have two friends>>: Hey, if I can have friends, anyone can. <<He does the work out thing>>: ::shudder:: but that's like...physical activity! <>: Generally, ground is in the "down" direction. <<Ears don't allow you to bounce>>: Its cartiledge, not rubber. <<THIS is why I love this place>>: You mean its not for the free cookies? <<but then, I'm insane>>: Accept nothing less. <>: No comment. <<Completely irrelevant, but very funny>>: Just what I was thinking. <<they just give a general 'HEY! THIS IS BAD!' signal>>: And bad things hurt...ergo pain ;-) <<I'm trying to fit into the wrong box>>: I hate it when that happens. <<After being castrated and dragged through the streets>>: Well, at that point I'm already dead. So lucite beats the head-on-a-pike. <<Sorry, I didn't mean _you_>>: No harm. <<Is this just in general, or about me in specific>>: In general. <<Real dreadlocks are revolting>>: Especially on chicks.

The Wizard: <<if one single vial of smallpox was released upon DC, I'd probably be in the first wave of those hospitalized.>>: That would suck. <<Speculation: ...Is not necessary>>: But its so much fun! <<How did I suddenly end up in the mix of all these speculative conversations?>>: Beats me. <<I'd like someone to explain "progress.">>: The opposite of "CON"gress. <>: "JOIN THE CLEAN SIDE!" <<_mine's_ the room filled with action figures>>: You wouldn't, by chance, have...transformers? <<When else can I be myself and get a prize for it>>: I have several witty responses to this one. <<It's all about evil fish puns, now, isn't it>>: I prefer the dirty fish puns, myself. <<I'm sick of people saying that the band is awesome just because of "Crawling.">>: But Crawling is a great song! <<simply due to the subject matter of the lyrics>>: Point. <<Shows what you know>>: Which is...? <<I'm suddenly finding myself the third person ghost of the CR>>: So people talk. <<Roomie's getting rowdy again>>: Not if I bludgeon him to death. <<more like special-this-responsibility-really-$ucks>>: Yup, that. <<Seriously! They cancelled the Emmys!>>: No, I said GOOD TV. <<there's not much to say on existentialism>>: And not much thought that I put into it. I've got other stuff crammed in my noggin' <<if you say so, sir>>: Just for that, no portugal for you! <<Just don't move, don't breathe...just, pray. Now _there's_ a reference>>: Not a clue. <<No, not until I get my BFA>>: Big f*cking @$$hole? <<But mooch off your roomie if you can>>: That implies that he has Exile. He doesn't. <>: Yet you just did. <<In either case, cool>>: I thought so. <<Don't hit me...I haven't listened to them>>: ::HIT!:: <<Suicide>>: Since when does Acutane make you kill yourself? Its an acne medication. <<Maya's pretty cool>>: You have no idea. <<If there was an answer, there wouldn't be a fascination>>: We don't question it. <<So we're back on that system of things again, are we>>: Should we not be? <<Balitmore is in a state of high alert>>: Charming. <<do people in here think I'm an existentialist?>>: Jesus, calm down. You'd think you were the center of attention or something.

Carolynn Marie: <<you get sick of dorm food after a while>>: It took my roommate and I three days to get sick FROM dorm food. After that it was "eat out more often"...like "every meal". We both went into the red just feeding ourselves. <<That's the funniest bit of crap I've ever heard!>>: Never seen Mr. Hankey, have you?

Skippy: Hi. I don't know you, but I've heard much about you. <<that song is getting beaten on worse than Wesley Crusher>>: LOL.

Entity: <<damn History midterm>>: Eh, history is a joke. <<despite the fact that I have the exam in 4 hours, three of which are taken up by other classes>>: You mean you haven't learned yet not to go to classes before your midterm?! <<their elusive pre-fame CD>>: Ugh! The original hybrid theory!? SUCKED! <<I'd love to listen to that>>: Not if you prefer rock to rap. <<Okay, that makes sense>>: I thought it might.

Revel: <<even the best layed plans go awry>>: Or women. <<If we dropped McDonalds on them they better hope it's not the breakfast meals, they always make me sick>>: Really? I love those things. I have no idea why. They make me ill to think about what's in them. Yet as long as I don't do that, I can scarf five. <<My hat is off the person who played WAY too much scrabble to decipher that one>>: Wasn't me. I'm just the messenger.

Baldy: <<the BMW Giger, which will be designed by the Master himself>>: I'll take two! <<They're also quite efficient when the seagulls start crapping down the car>>: Not that you would know, since you don't DRIVE YOU LAZY FREELOADING BUM! <<NEVER summon anything bigger than your own head>>: Oops...wait...which head? <<you find the wurst in Germany>>: That was terrible. <<Cheerios, gang. And maybe some regular corn flakes>>: Cocoa Krispies!

FS: <<V1.0 iBook>>: Not worth buying, even for the sole purpose of trying OS X 10.1. Especially without the power supply. The manuals are irrelevant, and the disks I can burn for you. But no power supply... <>: What does it matter? You can see the whole screen, can't you? The hinge has a very useful purpose, too: its perfect for in-flight tray-tables. But it is $1300, so I can understand if that was blocking you. <<Alternate names>>: I vote for WinDrie. Its a new program from windows that...uh...no idea.

Gavin: <<how about 'Dreamie and the Wolf'>>: Is that the best you can do?

DPH: Hey, all things being equal, your package should go out on Wednesday afternoon. I need you to email me your addy, k? <<Either way it's a big change for the CR>>: One less poster! ;-) <>: Sounds like my roommate at the DMV. <<They occasionally get mail to sister-in-law's deceased husband, even though he never lived in Arkansas. Why>>: Bad luck? <>: Haven't we all? <>: Piece of cake. <<Daniel Johnson. Where is he>>: I don't know, but we're seriously short on mac users in here. <<what are the 1st ten things or so you will do upon taking over the USA?>>: I haven't a clue. I guess it would depend on the world and my mood when I actually conquered it. But I know right up there would be eliminating hunger, poverty, and boybands. <<When did this CR become your comment room>>: When he referred to it as "my comment room". <<Funny thing happened while typing this post>>: Was it on the way to the forum?

Smut Pandering Bitch Queen of All Creation: <<my gay male acquaintances>>: I'm sorry, but I was at G2k1. It isn't possible that ALL of your gay male acquaintances are cow-orkers. <<Humboldt>>: Weed Capital of California? Sure sounds like a party place to me, and I don't even smoke! <<if college was at all like a porn movie>>: I'd be switching schools. <<those movies give young guys a rather skewed idea>>: Don't forget old guys. Young guys aren't the only ones that watch porn. <<skewed idea of the way women like it>>: Discovered the...uh...hard...way that your man was watching too much porn as a kid? ;-)

Metaldemon: <<we're not all feminine, you know>>: Not gonna touch this one...

Sevarius Jr: <<thankfully it was a few family members that aren't quite certifiably insane>>: Cherish them, for they are few and far between. <<but *vegetarian* meal packages, so as not to offend the Islamic faith by forcing them to eat meat>>: Veggies are also cheaper than meat. <<Cochrane was (I believe) from Alpha Centauri>>: That's BS. If he was, how could he have developed warp drive for the humans?! <<Screw continuity, I'll make it all up while I'm having my morning BM>>: That explains a lot. <<Hey, if they're two people posting as one entity, can we call them Doug? Oh wait, that's when ONE person posts as two entities. My mistake>>: Let it go already. He/they/she/it is gone. <<Rosie O'Donnell's crotch>>: LOL <<Which hand do I wipe with? Damn! I picked the wrong one again!>>: LOL. <<In fact your chicks look like we've been bombing for years, and they've been using their faces to intercept the missiles>>: You have Afghanistan confused with Berkeley. << someone please bend me over and make love to me with a Tomahawk Cruise Missile!>>: Okay I just laughed for five minutes at that.

Gside: <<And most other places>>: Is it just me or is that against the definition of a MIDterm? <<I'd say so>>: As would any other straight male. <<Maybe I could actually get some>>: I'd put money on it...of course, I can order it to happen, so I guess that bet is meaningless. <<you wouldn't need to pay me>>: Because...? <<every sperm is sacred>>: Tell that to that girl I know who came class saying that she'd "killed ten million people". <<The idea was that he wouldn't be taken from the rear, but that he'd do the taking.>>: Something was lost in the translation. <<Then what are you doing as an engineer>>: Wish I knew. Actually, i'm not technically an engineer yet. I'm just a geek. I doubt I'll do this stuff professionally. <<But he's not alive, so he doesn't count>>: I told him that today. He wasn't happy. <<Yes. Yes you do>>: Excuse me while I go and be sick. <<That's always been annoying>>: Not nearly as annoying as pi. <<You got her to call you Daddy>>: Wasn't very hard. Now, if you saw the other things... j/k. <<The combination of the Duba Duo, and the two of G>>: Um, okay. Is this some new rock group? <<You have a properly twisted mind, and comment quite a bit>>: Thanks, I think... <<As long as that something isn't a slow, tortuous death, I'm all for it>>: Darn! No, just kidding. It'll be something good, I promise (whatever that's worth). <<But shouldn't I be equal opportunity>>: No. That's not allowed in my world. It prevents the good people from getting hired. <<And you might like it>>: I'll bet not. <<What? Porcupines?>>: Of the flying attack variety. <<That whole Daddy thing>>: Its just a nickname, really. Just like "The Wizard" or "The man" or "Dark Prince of Vinyl". <<much more extensive replies to each other than the rest of the CR.>>: Now that is just not true...well, it is for her. But I post much longer stuff to Wilek, Sevarius, You, FS...

Tim: <>: BuWAHAH! We've scared them off!

Anything worth having is worth cheating for.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, Home of the Brave
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 03:37:17 AM
IP: adsl-64-161-24-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

FS> <<RichandAmy>> 'Zits' fan, huh?
Gavin
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 01:34:37 AM
IP: dh171.scarlett.mtsu.edu

[Tim looks at SJ's "Nature Boy" post.]

Hmmm... I think I see why Lain and other liberals don't visit this CR as much as they used to.

Well, at least your in touch with your feelings.
Tim
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 01:31:37 AM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

Imzadi> <<here at Berkeley, most major classes have 2 midterms>>: And most other places.
<<An admirable goal, yes?>>: I'd say so. Maybe I could actually get some.
<<STOP FEEDING HIM!>>: I will not.
<<I'd pay to see that one>>: Please do. Wait, you wouldn't need to pay me, so it probably wouldn't be a good idea.
<<Without desire, where kids?>>: Well, every sperm is sacred.
<>: The idea was that he wouldn't be taken from the rear, but that he'd do the taking.
<>: How about Anne O'Nymous or Ema Nymton?
<<Me too>>: Then what are you doing as an engineer?
<<My friend Vinay will be pissed>>: But he's not alive, so he doesn't count.
<<Let him die. What's he ever done for you anyway?>>: Her name is Aliza, and she actually has better damage than I do. That, and she has a ranged attack for those annoying little guys.
<<And that's the way we like it>>: True. wait, does that mean I could be a vegetarian member of LABIA? Without the vegetarian thing, it might not be so bad.
<<The question is, have they?>>: Thinking back to the implication of your comment about taking things from behind, I'd say no.
<<Oh god do we need to be here for this?>>: Yes. Yes you do.
<<Five>>: That's always been annoying. But at least we got Mars from it.
<<What did I do!?>>: You got her to call you Daddy.
<<He won't be the last>>: Of course not.
<<Huh?>>: The combination of the Duba Duo, and the two of G.
<<How did I get involved!?>>: You have a properly twisted mind, and comment quite a bit.
<<you're a shoe-in for...something>>: As long as that something isn't a slow, tortuous death, I'm all for it.

Fleur> <<Now don't use that evil on me!>>: But shouldn't I be equal opportunity? And you might like it.
<<That's another hoax>>: Ah. My bad, then.

Niamhgold> <<Now that's something to ask>>: But it was not a request.
<<gay male...uh, nevermind>>: What? Porcupines?
<<I'd like someone to explain "progress.">>: That whole Daddy thing, and much more extensive replies to each other than the rest of the CR.
<<he could try a collection of armor and weapons>>: He's a Gunjack. I thought he had that already.
Skippy> Woot.
Warpmind> By the way, I finished act 1 today.

DPH> <>: Jersey, I suppose.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 01:20:32 AM
IP: wc02-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

No time for replies... Must sleep... Except...

SJ><<Listen up, Bin Laden, you anorexic Chewbacca!>> Now that, THAT is class. Keep it up! ; )
Gunjack "Splattering Sneezer" Valentine
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 01:02:38 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Well, a decent Columbus day for me. I spent most of the day with visiting family members, which usually spells doom for me, but thankfully it was a few family members that aren't quite certifiably insane. So things worked out okay.

I also got to see a second round of bombing on Afghanistan. Well� "see" is a relative term, since that night vision over there sucks. Can't see anything good blowing up. But now I'm content. Just as long as I see a few cruise missiles flying, I'm a happy guy. The Taliban, of course, has issued press releases, saying that basically we've declared war on all Islam (blah blah blah) and that we only killed civilians with the bombs (of course I believe they're lying, but I just find it wonderfully ironic that now, of all times, they decide to actually care about their populace). Whatever. That knock on your door is the Grim Reaper. Give him my regards.

The funniest thing about this whole bombing run was that we dropped not just meal packages in our humanitarian operations over there, but *vegetarian* meal packages, so as not to offend the Islamic faith by forcing them to eat meat. Let it be known that we sent them bombs AND peanut butter. Frankly, those refugees should thank us, for peanut butter surely is on SJ's list of the holiest of foods.

Skippy: SKIPPY!!!! The Klingon is back! Good to see your triumphant return. Is it wrong for me to hope that you have a meltdown this year thanks to some huge continuity error caused by the Enterprise show? ;)

BTW, if you want to count, they sort of already did. Zephram Cochrane made a cameo in the first episode. It was James Cromwell, who played the same character in First Contact. He was human. Of course, this glosses over the fact that, originally, Cochrane was (I believe) from Alpha Centauri. And I don't think he was human. This is one of those George "Screw continuity, I'll make it all up while I'm having my morning BM" Lucas-type errors.

That was for a friend of mine. You know who you are. ;)

The Dreamie / Winterwolf Fusion: Hey, if they're two people posting as one entity, can we call them Doug? Oh wait, that's when ONE person posts as two entities. My mistake.

Metaldemon: <<SJ> FIGHT CLUB is a very intellectual book.>> Good. A point for me. Howzabout "The Sandman" series by Neil Gaiman? Or "Preacher" by Garth Ennis? Or "Watchmen" by Alan Moore? Cause outside of Fight Club, that may be the most intellectual stuff I read. My favorite authors are Ellison (that's surly Harlan Ellison, mind you), Gaiman, Chuck Palahniuk, Alex Garland, and probably Barker (his early stuff). Any thoughts on them?

Well now it's time to end my post, and I thought I'd do it with�.*cough*�.Excuse me. I thought I'd end it�*cough*�*cough*

*** "Also Sprach Zarathustra" begins to play in the distance***

Hey, where did�.*cough*�.where did the music come from?�.*coughcough* �.Boy there's a lot of smoke in here�.*cough*�..Wait a minute�*cough*�.There��.There's someone IN that smoke!�*cough*�.Why, it's�..It's the Nature Boy! RIC FLAIR!!!!!

**The music swells, and out of the smoke steps the robed figure of�..RIC FLAIR!!!**

Listen Up! This is the NATURE BOY! And I want to make sure I'm talking to you, OSAMA BIN LADEN! Because with that ugly rat-infested beard, I'm not sure whether I'm talking to you, or Rosie O'Donnell's crotch! Due to similar smells, it's really hard to tell the two apart!

First off, Bin Laden, about the air strikes? Pardon the dust, but now we're doing a little re-decorating of our own! And now that we've gotten your attention, you listen to me!! You last place finisher in a ZZ Top lookalike contest! You couldn't take it, could you? You couldn't take the envy of America being the place to be? WHOO! The number one country of the world, with all the prestige and perks that go along with it! You couldn't take the fact that we're livin' large in NEW YORK CITY! The greatest town on the face of God's green earth, while you're sitting in the desert, wondering, "Which hand do I eat with? Which hand do I wipe with? Damn! I picked the wrong one again!" WHOOOO!!!

We're still partying in Fat City, while you're in Afghanistan, guarding *dirt*. The jealously must have been overwhelming! After all, we've got Broadway! What do you have for entertainment, a TV made out of rocks like Fred and Barney? We got the most beautiful women on the planet. You got women that are covered head to toe in veils and they're STILL ugly! In fact your chicks look like we've been bombing for years, and they've been using their faces to intercept the missiles!

It drove you nuts, didn't it, Bin Laden? The fact that we are LIMOSINE-RIDIN', and LEAR JET FLYIN', and when you travel, you got to yell "Shotgun!" to get a good seat on a yak! Bin Laden, you couldn't take it? And that caused you to make the mistake of a lifetime! You tried taking out this country, and you tried taking out New York City. Well you terrorist piece of crap, you and your pals in Afghanistan, have now signed your own death warrants. You hear me? The bombing has started, and you are, DEAD TALIBAN WALKING! WHOOO!

Because now it begins! You want to play with the big boys? You picked the biggest, Stick Man, you picked the USA! Bin Laden you think it's bad sitting in a mud hut next to a cave? Well, BITCH, that mud hut is going to look like a suite at the Plaza compared to where we put you next: In a shallow grave, formerly used as a terrorist outhouse! And Taliban? In World War 2, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were left looking like THEME PARKS compared to what we're going to do to you! Your country is already a toilet, now it's going to look like a stopped toilet at Giants Stadium after all 75,000 fans got the squirts all at once! WHOOOOO!!!!!

BOTTOM LINE? This is just the beginning. And when we are done with you, it's going to look like HELL has opened a branch office in your neighborhood! Bin Laden, you want to send a message? Well you did. Unfortunately, something got lost in the translation, and the message we got was, "This is Osama, I'm tired of living, someone please bend me over and make love to me with a Tomahawk Cruise Missile!" WHOOOO!!!!

Listen up, Bin Laden, you anorexic Chewbacca! You think this is over? Did you think you could take your shot, and that would be the end of it? Sorry, Slim, this is NEW YORK CITY!! And it takes a *lot* more, than some 3rd-world, cave-dwelling, Allah-yelling, jihad-selling, camel-ass-smelling PUNK to stop us from doing what we do best, and that is setting the world standard by which every other stinking city on the planet is measured! We're the absolute best. WHY? Because we DARE TO BE. WHOO! Bin Laden, your worst nightmare is only *beginning*. Forget going to sleep, EVER again! Because we're America, and we're now OUTSIDE your window, we're the noisy new neighbors, and we are a BITCH to get rid of! WHOOOO!!!!

Osama, you don't know what you started. You don't know what you're dealing with. So LET ME REMIND YOU. We're not only, the NATURE BOY�.but we are also: every policeman. Every fireman. We're every EMT, we're every rescue worker, we're every union guy, every person that gets on a plane, We're everyone in D.C. and PA, We're every New Yorker, we are Mayor Rudolph Guiliani, We are President George W. Bush (who's going to take a size 11 Texas cowboy boot and KICK YOUR ASS from one end of Afghanistan to the other, until he's DONE with you), WHOOOO!, WE ARE EVERY AMERICAN!

And YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT!! But Beard Boy, YOU WILL LEARN TO - WHAT??? LOOOOVE IT!!!! WHY? Because We Are the United States of America!

And We Are�.

THE *BEST* *THING* *GOING* *TODAY*! WHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sevarius "For the NYC radio listeners!" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 12:55:15 AM
IP: 66-44-71-81.s335.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Christine> <<rather difficult for a straight human female to write sex scenes from the POV of a gay male gargoyle.>>
<g> I wouldn't mind helping :). I'm a gay English major, so I can judge it's "realism" and believability (hehehe).
Please don't make him efiminate; we're not all feminine, you know. :D
Oh, yeah, I wanted to ask if you have ever read Jaques Lacan (you're a psyche major, right?). If so, what would you reccomend to start out with fom him?
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 12:46:10 AM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Skippy > welcome back!

Jan > thanks; I'll get that e-mail re-sent straightaway. As for airfares, I don't know what's going to happen ... they're torn between wanting to lure more people back on the planes and wanting money because people aren't going on planes. Up here, people are mad because Boeing is laying off 30,000 and still expecting a big federal bail-out.

Gside > an additional problem with querying my gay male acquaintances is that they're all co-workers and thus it could possibly be considered sexual harrassment in the workplace ; )

Stephen > I'll send it right along. I've also been meaning to forward the info on those anthologies to you. Deadline's not until January.

Josh > I went to college, all right ... admittedly, Humboldt State University is not what anyone would consider a party school (not counting the potheads) ... and I also hung out with the gamers and SCAers. So, if college was at all like a porn movie, it sure wasn't happening anyplace I could see! And thank goodness. IMO, those movies give young guys a rather skewed idea of the way women like it ; )

Warpmind > do I get a free copy too?

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 12:18:31 AM
IP: 01-056.075.popsite.net

I do not like the "America Strikes Back" thing... It reminds me too much of "The Empire Strikes Back" in some kind of reverse star wars....
silvadel
Tuesday, October 9, 2001 12:06:09 AM
IP: cache-2.nyw.ny.webcache.rcn.net

Robby - about your link to cartoon database - I found other series in the link to 'Superhero database'. But I couldn't find the non CGI Action Man series I remembering watching once upon a time.

Winterwolf & Dreamie or is it Dreamie & Winterwolf? Either way it's a big change for the CR.

Not too long ago (within a month), I had a wierd phone call to my house. Somebody wanted to speak to my mom. I had to politely inform the person that she was dead. I still occasionally get mail for my mom. But for Pete's sakes, my mom's been since '95. Why is her name still in somebody's database? My brother married a widow in Lousiana. They moved to Arkansas. They occasionally get mail to sister-in-law's deceased husband, even though he never lived in Arkansas. Why?

Entity - I have foresaken sleep and eating when working on complex math problems (no, those weren't assigned homework problems either because the math problems I invented to solve made my homework seem easy) or trying to write a new program (have I mentioned that I don't do simple programs?). I understand the feeling.

I actually filled one entire notebook with math notes. I wonder if I reason what I was working.

Hey, I missing somebody: Daniel Johnson. Where is he?

Imzadi - The first time I took Comp II, my midterm grade was equal to ONE paper I was supposed to write. BTW, what are the 1st ten things or so you will do upon taking over the USA?

SJ - <Since when did MY comment room> When did this CR become your comment room?

I knew it was Adam's family. One reason: I remembered who was John Quincy Adam's was followed by Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson followed John Adams. Thomas Jefferson was described as a half way point between George Washington and Andrew Jackson.

Funny thing happened while typing this post: the ball fell out of my trackball.

yesterday, yesterday, I love you yesterday, you're only a day ago.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Monday, October 8, 2001 11:07:58 PM
IP: max1-19.cwy.cei.net

FS: RichandAmy...LOL!!!
Siofra
Monday, October 8, 2001 10:33:59 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

New names for Dreamie and Winterwolf:
DreamieWolf
WolfDreamie
DreamieWinter
WinterDreams
Dreams of the Wolf
Winter of Dreams
Dreaming of Winter
WinDrie <--- Sounds like some kind of program... but what does it do?

RichandAmy ;)
Wintersmith Dreams ;)
Fire Storm
Monday, October 8, 2001 07:23:31 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Josh> <<You folks realize that Dreamie and Wolf will now be posting together permanently? Maybe we should come up with a new name for them?>> *smirks* how about 'Dreamie and the Wolf'?
Gavin
Monday, October 8, 2001 06:57:35 PM
IP: dh171.scarlett.mtsu.edu

Warpmind: <<Skippy: Whee! Welcome back! *Looks up the theme to the new ST series.* };)>>

Eww, don't bother, please. Of the fan reaction I've heard for Enterprise that song is getting beaten on worse than Wesley Crusher. I've already heard there are two petitions circulating about it: One to have it removed, one to keep it. It seems that the guy wanting to save it hasn't found one signature yet....
Skippy The Klingon - [skippy_the_klingon@yahoo.com]
Monday, October 8, 2001 06:56:58 PM
IP: ppp74.tele-base.net

Imzadi: Checked out that iBook. Not worth it. V1.0 iBook. 300mhz, 64MB, 6GB HD, etc.
No power supply, manuals, or disks.

Also took a look at the Dual-USB iBook. I really don't like the way the hinge is for the screen.
Fire Storm
Monday, October 8, 2001 04:39:58 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

** Niamhgold enters **

Wait a second...do people in here think I'm an existentialist? I'm curious ;) But just to clarify--I'm not ;)

Okay, I think that settles things on my end :)
Niamhgold
Monday, October 8, 2001 03:19:32 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Entity> The whole theory of absurdism didn't come about until Camus jumped in. Existentialists (and yes, I know to put the lable of existentialist on someone is a contradiction of thw whole philosophy) before him (Heidegger, Jasper) simply tried to answer the ontological question of being: What does it mean to be? What is being? One can still be religious and still asks what "to be" means; perhaps along the lines of "Why did God give us being?"
Besides, Kierkegaard is the founder of existentialism, and he was Lutheran. To add to that, even Sartre himself said there is a religous existentialism; it differs from his own, but it nonetheless does exist.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Monday, October 8, 2001 02:46:41 PM
IP: 129.120.255.222

*Warpmind wanders in, holding a rather disturbing poster of what resembles a demented car.*
Laides, gents... the Car Of My Dreams, which is just the onlything that would persuade me to get a driver's license at once... the BMW Giger, which will be designed by the Master himself. With any luck, my... associates will be able to persuade him and BMW to do this.

Christine: You granted me the use of the name Solarrin as the author of the Necromantic encyclopedia in the GURPS gameworld I'm working on... just looking possibly years ahead here... if there's a chance the gameworld'll see print, will you settle for crediting for it? ;)

Green Baron: Send in the Codename 47 addicts, I tell ya. };)

Jim R: Well, it was just a thought. But you're the creator, not me. ;)

Fire Storm: So xenos are hard to turn into a frantic state, huh? Want to test that, shall we? };)

Josh: Yeah, I was talking Howitzer, the artillery. They're immense fun to have nicely polished in the backyard. They're also quite efficient when the seagulls start crapping down the car. };) As for summoning demons... remember the Golden Rule, amigo... NEVER summon anything bigger than your own head...

Todd Jensen: Good sausages in England, you say? Well, that just goes to show... you find the wurst in Germany. };)

Moochie: Sent. And humans can recover 100% from quite some time of being dead. (Not braindead, mind you.) I think it's several minutes, at least. Being cold at the time does help, though, as that seriously reduces the brain's need for fresh oxygen...

Fleur: The most glorious moment was when one of my more sadistic creativity demons brought on a truly horrible pun on a maple tree... this CR can collectively praise whatever higher powers you believe in that it cannot be translated into English. };)

Skippy: Whee! Welcome back! *Looks up the theme to the new ST series.* };)

Well, that about concludes my post. Cheerios, gang. And maybe some regular corn flakes, too.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, October 8, 2001 01:47:02 PM
IP: mp-217-216-219.daxnet.no

Some times even the best layed plans go awry.
Well afer a cold front, rain and near zero visibility at 65mph we made it down for Ren Faire. Then one of my friends gets a call that her grandfather is in the hospital. So she had to come back to Dallas and the rest of us walked around watching a few shows bying overpriced stuff and of course bummer out right from the get go. Still don't have an update on his condition.
Needless to say we did not stay for Sunday events because we were just not having any fun without people.

SJ- If we dropped McDonalds on them they better hope it's not the breakfast meals, they always make me sick.

Josh- Lesbian Nomad huh? My hat is off the person who played WAY too much scrabble to decipher that one.

That's it for now.

"I was just strumming it and they loved me!"
-Phil from across the hall after a guitar performance.-

Later
Revel - [Samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, October 8, 2001 01:31:06 PM
IP: 129.120.255.222

Am supposed to be studying for my damn History midterm, but mid-way into my reading, I got inspired to express something, and found I couldn't go on until I HAD, despite the fact that I have the exam in 4 hours, three of which are taken up by other classes.

*rubs temples* Yeah.

Gunjack> <<<My roommate introduced me to their REAL music last week, and I've been rocking out ever since.>>> Aaahh, you mean their elusive pre-fame CD? I'd love to listen to that.

Existentialism> Okay, existentialism isn't a value system, but it CAN be viewed, quite easily I think, as a belief system. Now, that, in my mind, qualifies it as a "religion" just as much as agnosticism or athiesm or Confucionism or Scientology or, hell, even Buddhism, if we want to look at it from a purist point-of-view. Or is Buddism a religion because it has Gautama Siddartha as something (will anything do?) to worship?

<<<Well, I guess what I am stabbing at is that existentialism is for theists or atheists or agnostics.>>> But doesn't the tenet of absurdism contradict the idea of another faith? According to existentialism, there is no rhyme or reason to life or existence, so how can someone be an existential... Jew, say? Or an existential Christian? You're being quite the rebel if you're simultaneously believing in absurdism and God... or is this a case of "selective doctrining"?

Niamhgold> <<<[Existentialism] is about the absurdity of a value system, and thus one who "believes" in it better _not_ call it a value system.>>> So not only is existentialism NOT a value system itself, you are saying it DOES indeed nullify the possibility of one. Thus, how can you be an existentialist AND a follower of a faith, which, by definition, upholds a value system?

On a more non-combative note, I find it interesting how religion and philosophy repeats itself throughout history. If you look at the last 10,000 years of human Neolithic development, we've gone through VOLUMES of different takes on life, but if you streamline them, you realize there are really very few... they just all have surnames. Existentialism, for example, shares a lot with old Hellenistic-era thinking (around the turn of the Roman Empire) like Epicureanism, Skepticism, and Stoichism. All of them are approaches to living that empasize what it IS in your power to control in the world, the lack of objective truth, and the inherent chaos of existence. Both the Hellenistic era and the WWII era, in which Existentialism really came to full fruition, were times of uncertain turmoil.

Fleur> <<<Essentially, I'm a pacifist.>>> I've been calling myself a pacifist a lot lately myself. I think that, in practice, it is like communism: irrational. "Gundam Wing" is a good showcase of the futility of pacifism. Every character in that show was a damn pacifist in the end, and yet every character except Relena was a bloody slaughterer of thousands. In the end, I don't think the show meant to trump pacifism as the way to go. The show's seeming un-direction was on purpose, I think. It was a show all about questions, few answers. Pacifism is appealing, and we SHOULD want to be pacifists, but in reality, pacifism is more or less has a "tragic flaw."

SJ> <<<Since when did MY comment room become infested with Linkin Park loving existentialists?>>> LOL!!!

Fight Club> I understand the book's ending is far superior to the movie's.

Josh> <<<Sorry, I missed that. What did he say?>>> Oh, he had an outdoor "sit-down," complete with lawn chairs and a cup of water beside him. Oh, and of course his trusty M-16 behind him. He basically rambled about how America's attack on Afghanistan is an attack on Islam. The guy looked like a life-long crack addict trying to recite the Presidents. <<<Which one is that?>>> "Why" is the long, 6-minute one that sounds like it could accompany a tragic movie scene. It's off either 'Darkest Days' or "Wither Blister.' <<<Although I guess by my definition, aethism/agnosticism would be a religion the same way black is a color>>> Okay, that makes sense.

Anyway, this is what I was inspired to say at the onset: After reading about the beginnings of Christianity in the late Roman Empire, from an objective textbook source, I've found myself re-inspired by the faith. And it's made me think... so many people find themselves disenchanted with Christianity... but that's because in today's world, we are BORN Christians. We don't get to BECOME Christians. Back then, Christianity was a beautiful thing. The institutional structure that developed with it is now seen as a negative; we commonly put down "organized religion." But originally, before it even became 'The Church,' the Christian community was a social fellowship. One Pagan is quoted as saying, in reaction to Christianity, "Look at how they love each other." It's just... I dunno. I think Christianity needs to be an open house anyone can walk into, not a dormitory locked from the outside for kids who, once they come of age, all they want to do is break out.

I hope, if in another 1,700 years, America is still around, citizenship isn't taken the same way as being a Christian is in today's world. Well, today's America, because the "non-practicing Catholic" cliche seems to be an American phenomenon, right?
Entity
Monday, October 8, 2001 12:31:42 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

GUESS WHAT? I'M BACK! After over a year without regular internet access I've finally got a computer and an ISP! So you can expect me to be showiing up regularly once more :)
Skippy The Klingon - [skippy_the_klingon@yahoo.com]
Monday, October 8, 2001 10:36:54 AM
IP: ppp98.tele-base.net

Trying to make foccacia bread, waiting for the potato to finish simmering ... how do you "rice" a potato? I'm assuming you just mash it or use a cheese grater or something. It's a relief making your own food again; you get sick of dorm food after a while...

GSIDE< How do you come UP with this stuff?? I tried it; it's freaky!!

FLEUR< Owie :) These guys have a Mike Tyson panache for ears, I see?

I'll have to get to the rest of the comments later; the timer just went off. Just one quick thing; while watching the news last night, there was a speech from one of the Taliban leaders, saying how angry they are at "this terrorist attack from the United States". I wasn't sure whether to curse the TV screen or laugh my ass off, so I did a bit of both. That's the funniest bit of crap I've ever heard!! Us, a terrorist attack on them! Gee, the Taliban only invaded Afghanistan and murdered and raped and shot and tortured its people and now is harboring one of the world's craziest psychopaths, and they're pissed off? That'd be like if we had nabbed Hitler and brought him to trial and he'd gone all sulky and said, "Now, wait, just because I murdered 10 million Jews, Poles, homosexuals, and millions of soldiers and civilians, now you're putting me on trial? That's not fair ... I want my mum ..."

That was my rant for the day. Jesus ...
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Monday, October 8, 2001 10:33:16 AM
IP: 200.newark-06-07rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

Heh, me again. Now it seems that Balitmore is in a state of high alert? Boy, it just isn't my day... ;)

Off to the worse midterm crit ever! ;)
Niamhgold
Monday, October 8, 2001 08:32:41 AM
IP: 206.41.204.140

** Niamhgold enters **

Okay, time to make a real post.

Bombings: So, yeah, finally we've "done it." Somehow, I just don't really feel anything subjective about the whole situation. One part of my mind necessitates the action, the other part says, "what's the point? We're insane if we're going to stop terrorism." And yet the other part is maybe, minutely worried about the fact that if one single vial of smallpox was released upon DC, I'd probably be in the first wave of those hospitalized. Hmmm, choices, choices. This is not an easy decision. Thankfully, it was good ol' Tony Blair's speech, not Bush's "evildoings", that helped put me a little more at ease.

Speculation: ...Is not necessary. Ever, unless you have vetted sources. That's all I have to say on that.

Gside: <I've always been a fan of the direct approach> Not necessarily a bad thing, except in small instances. <What? Jersey?> Either that or someone dropped in the suds ;) <On your knees, slave> Now that's something to ask gay male...uh, nevermind. <Ah, if only. Imzadi seems to be making better progress> How did I suddenly end up in the mix of all these speculative conversations? I'd like someone to explain "progress." <You still don't have a complete digital collection of tentacle hentai to play constantly at full volume?> LOL. Or he could try a collection of armor and weapons, like my friend Brian's roomie. Of course, we were all fascinated, so he has to watch out for that. ;)

Metaldemon: <FIGHT CLUB is a very intellectual book.> Yes, I'll agree on that one ;) The book was awesome, and I love the ending (of course). The movie sorta falls apart at that point; it did well until then.

Jan: LOL. Last year Sergio showed me his Darth Vader Bubble Bath, and I haven't been able to stop laughing since ;) And _mine's_ the room filled with action figures! ;) Darn, that $ucks. Flights worldwide have increased. But, I wouldn't worry...by this summer they should have settle, if not sunk lower. Sorta like the stock market. Which reminds me, it couldn't hurt to pick up some of these down-at-the-bottom mutuals...

SJ: <God, I love Halloween> Halloween is the one and only holiday, IMO. When else can I be myself and get a prize for it? ;)

Fleur: <I'm sure there's a really EVIL pun in there, but fortunately, my brain has squashed it flat. :)> *L* It's all about evil fish puns, now, isn't it? :)

GB: Welcome back :) <As for food and relief, not only is it a nice thing to do and good to help those in need, but it's good to create a fifth column and soemtimes all you need is to fill some bellies> I agree. The least we can do is something helpful. Although their gosh darn terrorist soldiers are probably going to make sure their people don't get the supplies and save them for themselves... <My roommate introduced me to their REAL music last week, and I've been rocking out ever since> Good for you ;) I'm sick of people saying that the band is awesome just because of "Crawling." I like "Pushing me Away," and, yes, "Runaway" is darn good (IMO, however, simply due to the subject matter of the lyrics, not as much for the instrumentals/vocals). <though for all I know, you and Niamhgold could become the next CR couple :)> Shows what you know. I'm suddenly finding myself the third person ghost of the CR ;)

The Man: <This marks the second time this semester that I've woken up to violence> Roomie's getting rowdy again? <I'm tired of this midterms crap> Heh. Join the club. Just one more week, unless my teachers decide they want to "extend" things past fall break. <Special, isn't it> Not so much special cool, but more like special-this-responsibility-really-$ucks. <My machine rips 40% faster than Mike's> D@mn. <Maybe we should come up with a new name for them?> Kit and...uh, already taken. <It always ruins the good TV! > Seriously! They cancelled the Emmys! ;) <Hmmm...interesting. Yes, that is all I have to say on that> Heh, there's not much to say on existentialism. <After world domination, my next goal is "make life more like porno". An admirable goal, yes?> Um, if you say so, sir. <Imagine if they were all boyband-loving existentialists.> Okay, am I being speculated as an existentialist, now, TOO? ;) <I'd pay to see that one> There would be no show to see. And if you DID pay, I get the money ;) <What did I do!?> If I only knew. Just don't move, don't breathe...just, pray. Now _there's_ a reference. <And you call yourself an "artist". ;-)> No, not until I get my BFA. Try it; it's interesting. But mooch off your roomie if you can ;) <And tarish my otherwise stunning icon collection> I would not ask you to do such a thing. <Sweet! I want to put those in my leather sofa. > An organ or a mooing can? ;) In either case, cool :) Sure, Trippy. <::Stabbing Westward:: "I cannot save you. You can't even save yourself..."> Don't hit me...I haven't listened to them. <Slowly> Something to aspire for. Or forget about it. Whichever comes easiest, I suppose. <What does Acutane have to do with depression?> Suicide. <I'm sure lightwave, AutoCAD, and Maya will do fine> Yeah, Maya's pretty cool. <Notice none of us have an answer> If there was an answer, there wouldn't be a fascination. <POINT.> So we're back on that system of things again, are we? ;)

Adios folks
Niamhgold
Monday, October 8, 2001 08:05:16 AM
IP: 206.41.204.140

*comes in rubbing a VERY red ear*
How did this happen? I have two friends. One is about a foot taller than me, and very strong. He has a habit of crash-tackling people, or, failing that, just lifting them clear off the ground. His name is Geoff. The other friend is shorter, but even stronger. He does the work out thing. He is the only person (beside Geoff's brother, who is even taller and stronger and fonder of lifting people off their feet) who is 'Geoff-proof.' His name is Muhammed. We were being our usual selves, and Muhammed bumped me into Geoff. I ended up ear-butting his shoulder blade. I went 'ow'. I was in pain. I couldn't work out which way was up or down. Geoff and Muhammed caught me and said many sorry and worried words. I whimpered for a while. My ear went extremely red. The rest of me went extremely white. When I recovered enough to laugh, this caused much amusement. :)
I'm okay, but this thing better return to normal colour soon. I look ridiculous! What I have learnt today: Ears don't allow you to bounce.

Okay, after that *profound* statement ;), on to the replies!

Wilek> >That was...deranged. I like. 8)< THIS is why I love this place.. :) >=...I'll crush them.= Tifa, FF7< A girl with the right idea. >Unfortunate, given the unreliable nature of solar collection. I'll try to hook you up with a nice biogenic reactor, as soon as I can get them to stop spawning inversion rifts.< Hmmm. How 'bout I call you if there's a nuclear winter? :)
I think you got me mixed up with someone else for the rest of the reply. Niamhgold, maybe?

Fire Storm> >LM and I are both JUST getting over that flu.< *passes two mugs of chicken soup.*

HAPPY (very late) BIRTHDAY PATRICK!!

Lain> >anyway, i must go out and pretend to be an alien that thinks cars are human for my crazy arts course. and get more wierd looks. yeesh, i love my life.. ; )< That actually sounds like fun. (but then, I'm insane).

Ch'Tah Tyger> Welcome. I like a person who introduces themself as fresh meat! :)

Tim> >Then we return "her" to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban.< *l* I LIKE it!!

SRSJr> Congratulations on the publishing deal!

Coyote> *reads week's woes and winces (alliteration not intended)* Owch. Hope your luck improves soon.

Traveler> You always return when things are exploding: buildings, webs, tempers... ;) Well written post, BTW.

Josh> >This just in: rearranging the letters in "Osama Bin Laden" gets you "A Lesbian Nomad" < Completely irrelevant, but very funny.

Gunjack> >If the heart can start and stop like that, then why does strangulation heart so much (excessive blood preasure?)? And why do heart-attack victims collapse in pain?< I'm going to assume you meant 'hurt' instead of heart here and say it's because of the pressure on the throat/fear/etc. The body is designed to last a while without the heart beating, but it sure as hell doesn't LIKE it. Part of the reason people having heart attacks collapse in pain is because the pain receptors in the internal organs are seriously, well I guess the best word for it would be 'vague'. They don't pinpoint the specific problem, for some reason, they just give a general 'HEY! THIS IS BAD!' signal. (Which is why people complain of pain shooting up and down their arms, even headaches, when having a heart attack).

Tim> >You're not a hypocrite. You just got alot of your priorities straight.< Thanks. I still feel a bit like a hypocrite though. Or maybe it's just that I'm so used to throwing myself completely into everything that I feel like I'm being half-assed on my values.

Jan> >Your definition of being a pacifist is probably the way most people feel. I've never considered myself a pacifist but I do believe and feel alot of the same way you do. I don't think that's being a pacifist, I think it's being compassionate.< Ah, so that's my problem. I'm trying to fit into the wrong box. So I have to dump the pacifist tag now? Aw, and it went so well with the vegetarian thing. ;)

Gside> >I thank you for your support.< Yer welcome. Now don't use that evil on me! >Q33 was one of the hijacked planes.< That's another hoax. Like the Nostradamus one that fooled me.

Josh> >December 20th...< Good luck. >Thanks! As usual, I take full credit.< Of course you will! >Personally, I'd rather be encased in Lucite.< After being castrated and dragged through the streets ? ;) >Yeah, ditto for me. I'm surprised this city hasn't made me kill myself already.< It's sunny when I look out this window. This morning was stormy. *shrugs* Melbourne weather... >Fine then!< ACK! Sorry, I didn't mean _you_!! I meant a person who couldn't laugh at themselves. >It's easier to bribe people with countries.< True. >Nope, but it was the best advice my friends have ever given me.< Is this just in general, or about me in specific? :) >You just turned on the entire female fandom.< It's the big nose.. >::shudder::< Relax! They last, at most, 2 days. My hair is basically a pack of long, insane ringlets. If I want temporary dreadlocks, I just twist them into shape when they're wet, and they're tamed for the day. Real dreadlocks are revolting *ick face* >Slick.< Thanks.

TTFN!
Fleur
Monday, October 8, 2001 03:05:17 AM
IP: proxy3.mel.pacific.net.au

Okay nevermind then
Josh
Monday, October 8, 2001 03:03:18 AM
IP: adsl-64-173-20-108.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Time test:
2:50am As per the atomic clock
Fire Storm
Monday, October 8, 2001 02:50:51 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

This marks the second time this semester that I've woken up to violence. Obviously the first was on September 11th. Its becoming a pretty cool trend, honestly. I wonder what other powers I have...

The CR clock needs to be re-synchronized with whatever its synchronized with.

I pretty much studied all day today. Fluid mechanics. Fun, huh? I know more about head than any one on earth 8-). For all those who wanted to turn that into an X-rated comment, you should know that head is just another term for energy when its measured in distances.

I'm tired of this midterms crap. Thankfully I only have four in the next set of midterms (about 5 weeks from now). You'd think since they're called MID-terms there'd be one in each class and it'd be HALFway through the semester. But noooo...here at Berkeley, most major classes have 2 midterms, each a third of the way through. That has its pluses and minuses. On the plus side, there's less material to remember for each one, and 15-40% of your grade isn't dependent on a single exam. On the minus side, it means you get to go nuts TWICE a year instead of just once. Special, isn't it?

Ran an MP3 encoding test on my machine last night. My machine rips 40% faster than Mike's (a dual 500 G4). You'd think it would be 60% faster (800 is 60% higher than 500), but the 7-stage pipeline hurt stuff. Well, it could be worse, I could have a 20-stage pipeline...::coughcoughP4coughcough::

Replies.

Winterwolf: Good luck. Don't get dead.

You folks realize that Dreamie and Wolf will now be posting together permanently? Maybe we should come up with a new name for them?

Carolynn Marie: <<There's a US airstrike against the Taliban>>: Ooh and I haven't been drafted yet! Joy!

The Wizard: <<Man, I hate waking up to breaking news>>: It always ruins the good TV! <<Existentialism>>: Hmmm...interesting. Yes, that is all I have to say on that.

Smut-pandering bitch queen of all creation: <<one research factor I must investigate>>: Um...who do you ask? Its not like there are any factual references on the topic. And since there aren't, it occurs to me that many fans might take what you say as "as close to canon as we're gonna get". <<reality as opposed to porno>>: You mean there's a difference?! !@#$! Well, this marks yet another goal in my life. After world domination, my next goal is "make life more like porno". An admirable goal, yes? <<porno involving women rarely involes anything close to what I've observed in real life>>: You didn't go to college, did you? <<Its not exactly the sort of thing I can just pop up and ask my gay male friends, now, is it>>: I don't see why not...though I shudder thinking about how THAT conversation will get started. <<made it much easier to write>>: Laptops are your friend. <<tidal pull on the bloodstream>>: That's a big honkin load of BS. The moon ALWAYS has the same tidal effect month-round, as I'm sure any oceanographer will tell you.

Sevarius Jr: I just knew you'd pop in here to give your two cents about this. <<Bomb the sh!t out of 'em>>: What exactly is being bombed? <>: You mean like besides being stained with the blood of 6000 innocent Americans? <<Why? Cause we finally bombed something>>: Always makes me feel better too. <<Since when did MY comment room become infested with Linkin Park loving existentialists>>: At least they have taste. Imagine if they were all boyband-loving existentialists. <>: Kant isn't that interesting anyway. Categorical imperative this and that...blah blah. Batman's sex life is FAR more interesting. <<Which, frankly, is much more exciting than anything Kant could ever write. AND more important>>: You have no idea. Take a few philosophy classes at Berkeley and you'll see why YOUR sex life is more interesting/important than Kant. <<what's the only kind of wood that doesn't float? Natalie Wood. I've been storing that joke away for years>>: I don't get it. <<Gentlemen: To evil>>: Here here! <<And you've grown into a lovely young woman before our eyes>>: You have no idea. <>: You've got time. <<If you need some loving, just use your hand>>: What else would one use their hand for? Oh, typing. Right. <>: LOL! <<Boy, I wish *I* had a hometown football team that won lots of games>>: Eventually, you learn to stop caring about the sport altogether. <<Which I can honestly say makes me VERY nervous and unsettled>>: Can you imagine what effect this is already having on all of us? <<You young folks, with your potty-mouths. I blame it on that rock music>>: You mean the kind that you listen to? <<Insert filthy joke *HERE*>>: You do it.

Ravyn: <<I've seen some really cool planes lately>>: We don't have the coolest looking fighter anymore. That award goes to the Su-35, Russia's air superiority fighter. Now if only they had enough cash to produce them in quantity... <<seen more F-16's in these last few weeks flyin' around here than anything>>: Interesting factoid: The F-16 remains the only American jet fighter that has never been flown by a Russian stunt pilot. But that thing is gorgeous in action. Even though it looks a little dumb with its huge chin inlet...watching it fly is truly amazing. <<Ice? What's that>>: I hear ya, sister! <<would you believe that we have an ice hockey team?>>: I hear Cal has a WINNING ice hockey team! How amazing is that? <<or even where we play for that matter>>: I'd imagine at an ice hockey rink. <<someone called in to say a stop sign was faded>>: Maybe HE was faded. <<an older lady saying there were bubbles in her water>>: That would be Jan playing with her Goliath bubble bath. <<ideas, ideas>>: If nothing else it'll make for a fun G2k2. <<my brother used to play that album non-stop... ugh>>: "like a scrotum here it is in a nutshell" ;-) <<Although I did find the little Pac-man thing pretty hilarious>>: I'M HIGH ON CRACK! <<Neener, neener, I don't have linear algebra, fluids, or materials ... yet>>: Fear not, young MechE. You will.

Greg X: <<Hopefully we'll be able to stop any terrorist retaliation>>: I'm betting this will incur more of them.

Patrick: <<Can you tell we've all watched too many movies? >>: You mean you didn't realize that long before now? <>: we'll see what happens to your airport experience now. <<Six-point suspension? Sounds like something vaguely automotive>>: The way its being used here, it would be a neat trick to apply it to a car. <<perhaps you'll enlighten me on what the other two points are>>: Any ones you'd want, I imagine. <>: Wait, do you mean to say that pacifists are totally unfounded in reality!? GASP! <<can you smell that? That's sarcasm, boys and girls>>: I didn't know sarcasm had a smell.

Metaldemon: <<Bush is actually ONLY attacking terrorist bases>>: How does he know where they are? And if he's known all this time, why are they still there? <<Looks like you criticized the French too early since they are behind us>>: Its never too early to critize the French.

Ch'Tah: <<THIS SUCKS>>: Why?

FS: <<how to do math in C++>>: Use matlab. <>: STOP FEEDING HIM! <>: What was that line? <>: Was that just setup? <<You are at home>>: You think my apartment is so exciting? I wish! <<You are never alive unless you eat the flesh of a dead animal>>: Okay then, I'm alive. <>: Have you ever played with a Titanium Powerbook? <<they have to go for looks>>: Why don't they go for GASP quality!? Doesn't anyone care about that stuff? <<There is NO competition in the mac area>>: You're confused. Dell is quite obviously a competitor for Apple, otherwise Dell wouldn't try to copy every Apple design idea. <>: I think you have a hole in your logic. For instance, you could get a slow iBook and say "OS X runs like crap on this machine, macs suck!" Now, trying running OS X on MY machine. Because a $700 year old iBook is gonna have a slow bus, a slow chip...not a good combination for running OS X. As for whether or not "macs are worth it", that's a totally subjective opinion. I mean, 25 million mac users can't ALL be wrong, but then again its easy enough for you to take your fruity-looking iBook and say "what a piece of garbage" when its CD-ROM drive breaks because its the display model. <<Newbies. And Morons. And companies that sell this stuff>>: Those are all the same thing. <<streaming CNN>>: There's a good use of your connection. <<The Rangers speak with exagerated movements>>: LOL! <<Weekends are boring as h@|| here!>>: I feel your pain. My shifts are on the weekends too.

Sorow: <>: And I thought I spent too much time here. <<most of us are still here>>: "most" being the operative word. <>: We love you too.

Traveler: <<Don't expect that we will not get stung, perhaps badly, again>>: I agree. This will probably get ugly.

Queen of Pain: <<I'm addicited to this computer game...Black and White. I'm a good Goddess>>: I hear the game is incredible.

Green Baron: <>: Bah. That's so...last millenium. <<While Coventry was decimated, the RAF recovered and they won the Battle of Britain all because Hitler lost his cool>>: What an interesting little tidbit of history. I wasn't aware of that particular suicide raid. <<He has a Yale Bachelors and a Harvard MBA>>: Hardly impressive. I'll have a Berkeley civil engineering degree. What bachelor degree does he have from Yale? Sociology? <<even rich yankees need brains to get those>>: It'd be more impressive if he had degrees from schools that were actually recognized widely for those degrees. <>: Heh, heh... <<imagine where they may be in three centuries. perhaps that is their worst fear>>: That's certainly worth worrying about, when they'll all be dead. <<it strikes me as more fo a philosophy than a religion, since there are existentialists of a variety of faiths>>: Exactly. <<partying is over-rated>>: Only if you don't do it right. Personally, I'm not much of a "partier", though I do really enjoy GOING to parties. I like to watch people, calming talk to friends, not make an ass of myself by attempting to dance while intoxicated (I'm spastic enough when I'm sober). <>: I am proof that one can be both quiet and uptight and still enjoy a party. <<When I relax a litte, I spasm becaus ei'm so tightly wound all the time and it's not even deliberate>>: You need to hire a full-time professional masseuse. <>: Those of us males that aren't "emotionally castrated" as you put it...we look at porn. <>: Why can't we be both? <<for all I know, you and Niamhgold could become the next CR couple>>: I'd pay to see that one. <<like I have no desire to sow any wild oats>>: Without desire, where kids? <>: ::shakes head:: <<But Christine wrote a naughty story featuring me>>: Nice! <<She was a bit unhappy about me reading Machiavelli at 15>>: Ha! I *WAS* machiavelli at 15 ;-) <<Vietnam was their fault and it split the US apart>>: I fail to see how the atrocities in Vietnam were France's fault. WE were there. <<Will we handle with traechery and brains, or with brawn, emotions, and sacrificing our allies and soldiers without need>>: The one that makes us feel better. <<In soem ways teh Cold War was a big chess game between the superpowers>>: In EVERY way. <>: I'll move there.

Stephen: <<considering the content>>: To my understanding, its not against the CR rules to post a link to an archive of questionable material. It might be against the rules to post a link directly TO the material, however.

Entity: <>: Sorry, I missed that. What did he say? <<Lyric-wise, it would be 2nd only to "Thing I Hate" of Stabbing Westward's>>: THAT was the one I was trying to think of. That's the one I wanted to say as my favorite, but I couldn't think of the name and I was too lazy to go get the CD. Thank you. <<My fave sounding one is "Why," though>>: Which one is that? <<Isn't Confucionism something along the lines of an "array of beliefs" as well?>>: Actually, i don't think confucionism is a religion either. A religion is worship, belief in something more powerful than yourself. Confucionism is just a set of philosophies by which you live your life. Religion is often that COMBINED with worship. I'm not seeing a lot of worship in existentialists. Although I guess by my definition, aethism/agnosticism would be a religion the same way black is a color. Technically, its not, but we call it one anyway. <<existentialism's very foundation is the lack of thiesm>>: That doesn't mean anything, especially considering there are existentialists of varying religions. <>: Again, those too are philosophies, not religions.

Moochie: <<CharlieFox>>: Is that a euphamism for what I think it is? <<The whole choking-on-bodily-fluids (shut up, Gside>>: Forgot me! <>: I'm sure he enjoyed that. <<I'm just a little bitter about NIMDA putting everything on hold for two weeks>>: NIMDA...I keep hearing that word...what is it? <<It's what happens when you reach the level of exhaustion where your eyes won't focus any more>>: I usually go to sleep long before that happens. <<I'd put forward that vegans are a really weenie form of zombie>>: I'll tell Steve Jobs. <<Does the definition of "Dork" leave room for a lifelong and all-consuming interest in smallarms, high explosives, booby traps, and swimming up to the eyeballs in fetid water so as to take enemies from the rear>>: Yes. And I don't want to hear about you taking anything in the rear. <<Whaaaaa?>>: Read more bumper stickers. <<Anti-capitalist, anti-capitalization. Seems like a logical progression to me>>: Your opinion is biased. <<...Stuck up, cocky...>>: BUWAHAHAHAHAHA! <<True procrastination still eludes me>>: Give it time. <<Murder=the willfull ending of innocent life>>: Who says it has to be innocent? <<It seems like all our members are either texans or Mexicans In Sweaters>>: I am neither. <<what about tightrope walkers>>: They're f*cked. <<Hey. Right here>>: Sweet! I guess I know what we'll be playing at G2k2. <<Kermit as a sadistic bisexual sadist billionare>>: Dr. Frankenfurter? <<Elegantly phrased, but rather innacurate in points>>: And wrong. <>: Its months into the semester already. If he hasn't run away yet, he won't ever. <<how long can the human body survive, without permanent brain damage, if the heart stops pumping>>: The brain can survive 4-6 minutes without oxygen. If the heart stops...its all over in a few minutes. <<Maybe I need to quit cluttering up the room>>: "clutter" is such a relative term.

Tim: <<Hey, it sounds alot catchier than "America Carries Out Counter-Offenses.>>: But not much. <<the futuristic weapon in "Starship Troopers" is essentially a World War 2 weapon. And why not?>>: The movie, after all, is about fascism.

DPH: <<the amount of time between when John Adams was president and John Quincy Adams was president or the amount of time between George Bush being president and George Bush junior being president?>>: The Adams, about 25 years. <<those roaming black-outs in California continue>>: I guess so. <<upon taking over the USA, one of your first official acts is the cancellation of Power Rangers, right>>: Hardly. That will get done, but probably not by me and probably not quickly. There are many other things to worry about first.

Robby: <<sadly, much of my lasting education comes from memorized song numbers on that show>>: That explains so much...

Spot: <<November 1st, I just gotta make it to November 1st>>; December 20th... <<kudos to the American people>>: Thanks! As usual, I take full credit. <<We've all got to grow enough balls to finish this>>: I definitely have enough balls to send other people to die for me 8-) <<when he died, they mounted his head on a pike>>: Personally, I'd rather be encased in Lucite. <<When the weather's grey, so am I, it's as simple as that>>: Yeah, ditto for me. I'm surprised this city hasn't made me kill myself already. <<Which was what, two minutes ago>>: Depends on the guy. In my case, it was about a year ago. <<You're not a friend. Acquaintance, maybe, but not a friend>>: Fine then! <<Give him a good position in your government when you take over the world, and he just might>>: It's easier to bribe people with countries. <<years from now, you'd look back and say 'that was the wisest advice my dad ever gave me'>>: Nope, but it was the best advice my friends have ever given me. <<Or irony>>: No, irony we get. <<Just trying to imagine Brooklyn on a plate, covered in sauce>>: You just turned on the entire female fandom. <>: ::shudder:: <<For anonymous - you don't post a name, so your feelings are irrelevant>>: Slick. <<What's another name to add to the collection>>: I don't think "anonymous" counts as a name.

Jan: <<accidently posted too soon>>: Premature posting? <<Now I have a headache. I hate math>>: Me too. <<if that's your requirements of being called a dweeb>>: YOU BOUGHT GOLIATH BUBBLE BATH! COME ON! <<that makes me a dweeb because I happen to enjoy the company of most people in here>>: If you enjoy the company of dweebs... <<Nothing like seeing a naked skanky female that weighs 165 in bikini Mickey Mouse underwear>>: AHHHH! RUN! <<The officers did a cavity check... ewwww>>: Must you? <>: I would too. <<a finger up your ass would be a picnic in the park compared to what I'd do to you if you were my son>>: LOL! <<I'm a real comedian at 2am>>: We'll have to keep you up late at G2k2. <<and this is a good thing?>>: The way people are affected by their SO's is beyond me. <>: Don't worry, they will. Have faith. Why are you planning now anyway? We don't even have a clue as to when it'll be.

Gside: <<that's a him going insane from lack of sleep thing>>: I see. <<Keep it in the family>>: Kinky. <<Sounds good to me>>: My friend Vinay will be pissed. <<My hireling was having trouble staying alive, and I was worried about funds to keep resurrected>>: Let him die. What's he ever done for you anyway? <<It would have to be refered to many times subsequently in the program>>: Yeah, that's true. <<Ergo, I am now impressed>>: Damn skippy. <<You never can tell over the net>>: And that's the way we like it. <>: Well then it hardly matters that he objects. <<I've always been a fan of the direct approach>>: The question is, have they? <<On your knees, slave>>: Oh god do we need to be here for this? <<Forget that! I'm not going to eat anything you've just been in, that's disgusting.>>: LOL. <<Oh great, now I'm getting precdictable>>: Few things worse. <<Is history conducted in three or one?>>: Five. <<Even after all these mentions of hermaphroditic lesbian catgirls with tentacles, and various H references? Oh well>>: Well, we sneak through again. <<That too, but everything has a place>>: Both are equally important. <<Imzadi seems to be making better progress>>: What did I do!? <<I'm sure it would be more fun if they weren't your own bodily fluids>>: Choking in general is bad. Fluids might not be. Ask me again after my fluids midterm tomorrow. <<We have claimed another>>: He won't be the last. <<Mayhap we should call ourselves W2G2>>: Huh? <<Or with Mr. Wurzel>>: How did I get involved!? <>: Don't worry, you're a shoe-in for...something.

Alright folks, think happy thoughts. Fluids midterm tomorrow.

I bet you lost your viginity to a mechanical bull.
-Stewie, Family Guy

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, October 8, 2001 02:39:00 AM
IP: adsl-64-173-20-108.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Weird coincidence of the day: Put the characters "Q33 NY" in the wingdings font. It should look like an airplane aimed at two buildings, followed by a skull and crossbones and a star of David. Q33 was one of the hijacked planes.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, October 8, 2001 01:48:39 AM
IP: wc02-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Imzadi> <<Must be a windows thing>>: Nah, that's a him going insane from lack of sleep thing. It's happened before.
<<opens the path to all kinds of incest jokes>>: Keep it in the family.
<<Does that mean that vegetarians aren't really alive?>>: Sounds good to me.
<>: Yeah, yeah. My hireling was having trouble staying alive, and I was worried about funds to keep resurrected.
<<If you become a programmer you may use some mechanics in graphics programming, but probably not much of it>>: It would be primarially logic.
<<Unless its only that one line>>: But it wouldn't be if the variable/constant actually did anything. It would have to be refered to many times subsequently in the program.
<<His middle initial is T>>: Ergo, I am now impressed.
<<Couldn't find it>>: No? It's at http://themedium.net/archives/fall01/100301.pdf Warning, much offensive material will be found at the link.
<<There are!?>>: Or so they claim. You never can tell over the net.
<<his opinion on the matter is obviously void>>: I only said he would object, not that it would be valid.
<>: Good.
<<Translation: reply hazy, ask again later>>: Essentially.
<<That was just wrong>>: Thank you. Though I do owe most of my inspiration to a certain SL parody. "You always cut off the good parts before I get to do anything."

Christing> <<it's not exactly the sort of thing I can just pop up and ask my gay male friends, now, is it?>>: You never know. I've always been a fan of the direct approach.

Ravyn> <<there were bubbles in her water>>: What? Jersey?

Fire Storm> <>: I was talking more deriving an equation from inputs.
<<And when I get home, I shall take my punishment>>: On your knees, slave.
<<Now I am getting a new story ide>>: Heh, heh, heh.
<>: You mean, "Forget that! I'm not going to eat anything you've just been in, that's disgusting."? But do you have a bottle of Misson Haut Brion Bordeaux 1992?
<<*KNEW* you would fit that in!>>: Oh great, now I'm getting precdictable.

Traveler> <<And so the next steps in the eternal dance are occurring>>: Is history conducted in three or one?

Green Baron> <>: No? Even after all these mentions of hermaphroditic lesbian catgirls with tentacles, and various H references? Oh well.
<>: That too, but everything has a place.
<<you and Niamhgold could become the next CR couple>>: Ah, if only. Imzadi seems to be making better progress.

Gunjack> <<The whole choking-on-bodily-fluids (shut up, Gside...)>>: That only promises I will say something. Right. Well, I'm sure it would be more fun if they weren't your own bodily fluids.
<<Poor, poor Chad>>: We have claimed another.
<<vegans are a really weenie form of zombie>>: Largo's next target?
<<Probably has something to do with the meds>>: Ah. You have been partially redeemed.
<<Wait till the next time the Dubba Duo, Gside and I start posting all at the same time>>: Mayhap we should call ourselves W2G2. Or with Mr. Wurzel, it might become W3G2. What is it about those letters?
<<Gside, have I mentioned lately what a lucky fragger I am?>>: I think so. And I can't believe I missed that on the first time though. Though I think my response may have had something to do with octopi gardens.
<>: You still don't have a complete digital collection of tentacle hentai to play constantly at full volume?

Fleur> <<That should prove to be... interesting>>: Yeeees.
<<Give him a good position in your government when you take over the world>>: I thank you for your support.

I now give you a wartime classic. Skpike Jones's Der Fuerher's Face.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, October 8, 2001 01:06:03 AM
IP: wc02-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

SJ> FIGHT CLUB is a very intellectual book. It says so much about the Jungian shadow of the second self; in other words, we unconsciously create someone we see in order to evaluate ourselves. This is precisly what FIGHT CLUB was aiming for. For another prime example, there's "The Secret Sharer" by Joseph Conrad.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, October 7, 2001 11:02:11 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

geesh... accidently posted too soon...

DPH> John Adams was elected into his presidency in 1797 and John Quincy Adams elected in 1825.... Bush was elected in 1989 and Bush Jr. in 2000... JAdams ended in 1801, Bush Sr in 1993. Now I have a headache. I hate math.

Fluer> Your definition of being a pacifist is probably the way most people feel. I've never considered myself a pacifist but I do believe and feel alot of the same way you do. I don't think that's being a pacifist, I think it's being compassionate.

Christine> hmmmm... I wonder if you still have my old email addy. Anyway, I've posted my new one :) I look forward to hearing from you!

Josh> ok... if that's your requirements of being called a dweeb *blinks* I will concede that buying Goliath Bubble Bath is a bit odd or dweebish, but just because one friend introduces me to others, that makes me a dweeb because I happen to enjoy the company of most people in here? ;p~

*yawns* oh excuse me! *covers mouth* I was called out twice last night for dress-out. The first one was at 10pm and took an hour (2 different females) *shudders* the first one was a real skank. O_o I was called again at 1am and didn't get home until 3am. I told them to not call me again until the female was booked. geesh.. I had to wait an 1.5 hours while the police questioned the gal and her boyfriend. Drug related charges.
Nothing like seeing a naked skanky female that weighs 165 in bikini Mickey Mouse underwear. *rubs eyes*
They also had a "friend" of theirs in holding. He's a frequent guest at the jail and has been in prison (drugs). He was, as the officer described him, "tweeked". He had fresh needle marks in his arms. Higher than a kite and screaming like a girl at a Nsync concert. The officers did a cavity check... ewwww!! I watched the confrontation on the screen from the dispatch office. (not the actual search, though) I could hear him wailing.... it was hard to keep from chuckling.
When I went back to booking, this guy was in a holding cell and he tried to convince me that he was dying. He said that his pulse rate was up to 107 and that his kidneys and brain was going to shut down because of that. I assured him that he was fine. Then he said, "I want to talk to you as a mother"
Me: "you want to talk to my mother?" *blinks*
Him: "no, YOU as a mother"
Me: "you don't want me as your mother... a finger up your ass would be a picnic in the park compared to what I'd do to you if you were my son"
Him: "ma'am, I'm dying"
Me: "you're fine"
Some of the inmates that were still awake were laughing and rolling off of their bunks at what I said to this guy. *L*
Yeah, I'm a real comedian at 2am.... not - I was serious! ;)

Gunjack> <<debating with Lain has changed my mind more in the last 6 months than anything else has in the rest of my life... >> and this is a good thing? ;)

Green Baron> I think it's very considerate of you not to serve alocohol at your wedding. Besides, it IS possible to have a good time without the use of alocohol *nods* I rarely drink and actually prefer not drinking. *shrugs* I have just as good of a time being sober and/or alocohol-free.

Patrick> *L* You are sooooo right!! *high fives*

heh, I have tomorrow off and am planning on finishing the painting in my house. I'll probably end up going into the office and catching up the weekend booking/warrant reports and then goof off the rest of the day instead ;)

I thought that the airlines lowered their rates..? I checked on a flight to Virginia Beach and it has increased by over $200 since about a month ago. O_o I hope that the rates go back down before the next Gathering.

May God continue blessing America.

Jan - [janmiller@mo-net.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 11:00:58 PM
IP: modem18-125.mo-net.com

Fleur: You're not a hypocrite. You just got alot of your priorities straight.

Yooper: The Browning Automatic Rifle was designed by American firearm designer John Browning.

Gunjack: <<Based on the decendents and the sound effects (eight round en-block clip, right?), I'd say an M1 Garand.>>
Bingo!
<<But the originals were 30-06, so is this a post-war redesign?>> Most Garands, even to this day, fire the 30-06. But in anticipation of the NATO standardization, were built or were modified to fire the .308 Winchester (7.62 x 51mm NATO). Bear in mind that the 30-06 bullet was created back in the days of blackpower. The performance of these calibers are comparable, except the 30-06 might have a little bit more punch beyond 500 yards. But at that range. shooting isn't practical unless you have a high power scope and are willing to adjust for the rotation of the Earth : )
.308 ammunition is more widely available and less expensive. The legendary 30-06 is on it's way out except for specialized hunting purposes. The .308 round is also a little shorter, hence it can cycle through autoloading rifles more smoothly.

<<And the rifles in ST were M14 based!? o.O >> Yep.

The M1A, designated by the military as the M-14, is essentially an M1 Garand variant with a detachable magazine and fired the 7.62 x 51mm NATO. Volia, job done. Or it would of been, if someone hadn't said, "Let's make it fully automatic." In order to be able to fire to powerful .308 at a high cylic rate, everything about the rifle had to be stengthened. The result; a heavy, clumsy yet undeniably reliable weapon. The rifle would seldomly be used on it full automatic setting. The AR-15 (M-16) would replace the M-14 as the primary American service rifle.

In the late 1970's, Sturm & Ruger introduced the Mini-14, basicly a smaller, lighter M-14 that fires the .223 Remington. It's popular with citizens, police and para-military forces in the US and around the world.

The rifle in "Starship Troopers" was a Mini-14 in a "bullpup" stock. This shortens the overall length of the rifle yet retains the full length of the barrel by seating the assembly at the back of the stock. You can buy bullpup kits similar to this at gun shows, stores, or online.

Long story short, the futuristic weapon in "Starship Troopers" is essentially a World War 2 weapon. And why not? You go with what works.
Tim
Sunday, October 7, 2001 10:26:19 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

Well, I'm feeling good tonight. Why? Cause we finally bombed something, of course. I'd have liked for it to have been sooner, but then again, I'm naturally impatient. But all together, YES, I am happy now. ;)

And about the bombing�..VERY slick. Not only do we rain down glorious death from the skies, we drop food and other supplies for the refugees. Frankly, the latter really doesn't interest me in the least, but it's a great p.r. move. When the people (in our own country) begin to whine about the attack, we can show them, "hey, look, we gave them a whole bunch of McDonald's Happy Meals too. See? There are the golden arches right there." And that's a pretty good counterpoint.

**SJ looks around**

Since when did MY comment room become infested with Linkin Park loving existentialists? I warned you people, if you leave food out for them, they'll just keep coming back. Now they're tame. And they've stolen my pick-a-nick basket.

The sad thing? I think the most profound book I've ever read is "Fight Club" by Chuck Palahniuk. That's not a joke, either. Eh, what do you expect from a guy who spends most of his time reading comic books? I can't argue with you about the philosophy of Kant, but I can give you a treatise on Bat-Man's sex life. Which, frankly, is much more exciting than anything Kant could ever write. AND more important.

Random thought of the day: God, I love Halloween. Already they're starting the horror movies, mainly on AMC and Turner Classics. In the past couple days alone I've seen the Mario Bava classic "Black Sabbath" (beware the Wurdalak!) as well as Dario Argento's "Suspiria". I love the Old School stuff.

Fire Storm: <<But the problem with Sex Kitten is that I can't use AngeWoman at the same time! >> This already gets my vote for most disturbing fanfic every written. And you haven't even written it yet. What should I expect from the man who used to write prose featuring gratuitous cannibalism? ;) <<Corky and the Juicepigs>> Ever hear them? Their REM impression is dead on. They wine just like Michael Stipe! Here's an interesting Farscape thought: Crichton has, in some way, shape, or form, had sex with all of the female crew members of Moya (excluding the ship itself) except new recruit Jool. He's like Kirk, only none of his girls are green-skinned.

Josh: <<"If she floats, then she's made of wood.">> Hey, what's the only kind of wood that doesn't float? Natalie Wood.
I've been storing that joke away for years.

Ravyn: <<Barry Bonds broke the HR record.>> **Toasts with champagne glass** Gentlemen: To evil!

Metaldemon: <<SJ> Looks like you criticized the French too early since they are behind us.>> Well, now they are. When they put the mouth to us, someone (wisely) gave them a kick in the arse and told them that it wouldn't look too good to deny us a little retribution (you can call it justice, I call it good ol' fashioned REVENGE!!!) when 6000+ of our own people got massacred.

SOROW: <> *sniff* And you've grown into a lovely young woman before our eyes. I'm getting veklempt. <<And look, most of us are still here :) >> Yeah, I haven't managed to drive away all of them. Yet. <> Three years in this madhouse? Yes, I think it must be love! ;)

Tyger: <<Actually, not all furry fans are into just plushies (and most aren't "into" plushies like Vanity Fair wants you to believe).>> I find the whole furry thing just oogey to begin with, but plushie-lovers just plain frighten me. Christ, people. If you need some loving, just use your hand. Not your Tickle Me Elmo doll. I don't care if Elmo is wonderfully pneumatic when he jiggles.

Stephen: **SJ has his hands in his pockets, with a forlorn look on his face. He kicks the dirt at his feet with his shoe.** Boy, I wish *I* had a hometown football team that won lots of games�.

Gunjack: <<debating with Lain has changed my mind more in the last 6 months than anything else has in the rest of my life... >> Which I can honestly say makes me VERY nervous and unsettled.

Spacebabie: <<Bomb those turd monkeys>> Such LANGUAGE! You young folks, with your potty-mouths. I blame it on that rock music.

Mooncat: <<My tummy is burning!!!>> Insert filthy joke *HERE*.

"Britain, America, and Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, are the power trio!"
--- Iris

Sevarius "Iris Loves You" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 10:17:28 PM
IP: 66-44-55-108.s362.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

DPH> they are the same, no? 8 years in between each.
Jan
Sunday, October 7, 2001 10:06:22 PM
IP: modem18-125.mo-net.com

*wanders in, muttering 'November 1st, I just gotta make it to November 1st...'

Well, it's started. Most of me is glad that something has been done, and from what I've heard, it's been done well, so kudos to the American people.
But it's not over. We've all got to grow enough balls to finish this, especially if it involves ground troups. Part, if not all, of the reason the Soviets failed to take Afghanistan is because their soldiers were absolutely terrified of being captured, for damn good reason. If Americans captured an Afghanistan troop, he'd get the basic human rights. In Afghanistan... well, put it this way - the guy the Taliban threw out when they rose to power was castrated, dragged through the streets behind a truck, and, when he died, they mounted his head on a pike. I can only imagine what they'd do to the 'evil' western soldiers. It just sucks, doesn't it? The very thing that our God (be it the bible's version, or the Toran's, or whatever) tells us not to do, ie, show a bit of mercy and don't hack off bits of your captured enemies they might be fond of, these freaks (and by this, I mean the Taliban. I think it's pretty clear by now how I feel about these guys ;)) do it with complete abandon and claim it's worship of the very same God. Ironic, in a horrible kind of way.
Either way, bomb those bastards back to the rock they came out from under, drag out the thugs who've been hiding behind them for so long and let them burn in the sun, and give a bit of freedom to the people they've oppressed for so long. The school bully has beaten the crap out of the little kids for so long, he thought he could take on the big kids. *evil grin* Methinks that was a bit of a mistake.

Gside> >Most likely evil.< That should prove to be... interesting.

Dark Prince of Vinyl> > Despite being a creature of the night/vampire, I do enjoy the sunlight when I'm forced into it. That's why I'm gonna live in LA instead of this depressing hellhole.< Tell me about it. When the weather's grey, so am I, it's as simple as that. >It was out the
second men became smart enough to stay single.< Which was what, two minutes ago? ;) >That IS language I'd find in a journal article! If you can't laugh at yourself...< You're not a friend. Acquaintance, maybe, but not a friend. :)
>Hopefully evil, then he can help me out.< Give him a good position in your government when you take over the world, and he just might. >And potentially very scary.< But there's few things more amusing than watching crusty old guys arguing violently about something 95% of the world knows nothing about, and another 4% just doesn't care about. >The response will be "don't date her".< And years from now, you'd look back and say 'that was the wisest advice my dad ever gave me'. >We're engineers. We don't understand subtlety.< Or irony.

Carolynn Marie> >Hmm, mistake him for a turkey, pluck him, and roast him? Though I don't think turkeys have beaks that big... either that or jail him, because his name is that of a city borough in "that accursed country". Arr, arr. < *blinks, then laughs hysterically* Just trying to imagine Brooklyn on a plate, covered in sauce. :) >This totally cool middle-aged couple bought this 18th century colonial house and are totally revamping it to make it into a house for orphans and unwed mothers.< Wow. Somebody give these people a medal. I hope the morons in your town grow up and give them the respect they deserve.

Pacifism> Essentially, I'm a pacifist. And yes, I send money to greenpeace, I'm also a vegetarian, and if you really want, I can even wear my hair in dreadlocks, or close enough to them (I can hear the screaming now... :)). But here's the crutch: I experiment on animals, and I've got no problem with doing that for the rest of my life, for MEDICAL purposes. And I have no problem with what America is doing right now. It sounds hypocritical, I know, but at the end of the day, I'm willing to sacrifice lives to save lives. I want peace and happiness, and everybody singing 'we are the world', but logically, I know that's never going to happen. That doesn't mean I'm not going to hope for it. That doesn't mean I don't consider it a valid dream. I want every little fuzzy bunny and mouse to live happy and fulfilled little lives, but not at the price of decent medication. But that doesn't mean I don't feel sympathy for the animal, and guilt, every time I find myself facing one. I'll wear the hypocrite tag with pride, because the most important thing to me is life. To be completely honest, and fully step into the hypocrite box, I don't even care if Osama Bin Laden is guilty this time. I'm in no doubt that he is, but if it turns out that he knew nothing about it, I still say, destroy him. He's done it before, he'll do it again, and frankly, let's make an example out of him. Let every psycho with a grudge see that even with money and maniacs on your side, you can't escape.

Lynati> *hugs* Get better soon. If you wanna take up yoga, maybe they have a club on campus. I was/am a member of the 'yoga club', so I get the lessons for free (from a 72 year old who is just the BEST advertisement for his craft - looks 50-ish, has the agility of a 35 y.o, and the energy of a 20 y.o.), and it didn't cost me that much to join. At this rate, it's worked out to be less than $3 a lesson, and I haven't been taking full advantage of it, since I've been too busy/sick to attend classes for the past three months.

Niamhgold> >Yes, as if the three giant fish sculptures weren't enough, there are now four. Way to show your patriotism, Tony!< I'm sure there's a really EVIL pun in there, but fortunately, my brain has squashed it flat. :)

Warpmind> >I know how creativity demons are. Mine are almost invariably crueler punsters than I am... which was quite impractical this weekend, at a seminar mostly assembled from fairly humorless individuals... };)< heh. Nothing like rampant Creativity Demons to make people look at you funny.

Lain> <aaaaaaaany day now, i should be getting a net connection at home< *g* God that sounds familiar. :)

``Where Was God?'' Apparently, Allah had him in a headlock. (For the rest of the CR, I mean no offense. For anonymous - you don't post a name, so your feelings are irrelevant.)

Kyryn> It wouldn't surprise me if you're right. What's another name to add to the collection?

Aaron> > A rock musical, and now a major motion picture (tm) called Hedwig and the Angry Inch. Could be the Y2K equivalent to Rocky.< I'll have to look out for it. >Loved your song too.< Thank you. Always nice to know my insanity is appreciated. ;) >(Pest points at Aaron) Hah! W3 ownz j00! < *LOL*

ACK! I've got to go. Damn physiology. I'll finish later.

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 10:00:26 PM
IP: pig.cc.monash.edu.au

Stephen > So e-mail a link to me if you can't post it here.

America Strikes Back > Yes... (gasp!) our forces are striking at the terrorists targets and are also delivering humanitarian aid... just like they said we would do. So I guess all the exagerated fears of wholescale warfare, carpet bombing and the like that the pacifists have been propagandizing us with for the past three weeks were totally unfounded after all. Boy... color me surprised.

Hey... can you smell that? That's sarcasm, boys and girls. :P

:: wanders off singing a parody of "Day-Oh" he heard on the radio the other day ::

"Come, Mr. Taliban, and give us up Bin Laden
Air Force come and drop bomb on your home!"
Patrick Toman - [puck@art-chicks.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 09:58:33 PM
IP: 1cust149.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

DPH- If I remember the Animaniacs song correctly (sadly, much of my lasting education comes from memorized song numbers on that show...), John Adams was the second president, followed by Tom Jefferson(stayed up to write the declaration late at night, so he and his wife had a great big fight, and she made him sleep on the couch all night) James Madison, (never had a son and he fought in the war of 1812) James Monroe('s collosal nose was bigger than Pinnochio's), and John Quincy Adams was number six. (And its Andrew Johnson's butt he kicks.) So even tho I don't know how many terms any of those individuals had, I'd have to say that since there were at least 3 terms between John Adams and John Quincy Adams, that Bush and Bush are closer together, being only 2 terms apart. (Unless there's some kinda trick involved that I'm missing...)
Robby
Sunday, October 7, 2001 09:54:30 PM
IP: aca40afd.ipt.aol.com

Tomorrow, I visit the chiropractor again. One thing puzzles me, though: I visit three times a week: Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday. Part of me thought it would be Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Green Baron - Baptists would never take an UNITED offense against the Vatican. They would fight amongst themselves about how to raise funds for such an exursion and who controls the forces. Now, if the Vatican were to try take out Baptists, . .

Netlag attacked me when I first logged on today. Apparantly, DC warned her about me. (Standing joke: DC is scared of me and won't let me get near him).

For all you history buffs, here's a question: which was greater: the amount of time between when John Adams was president and John Quincy Adams was president or the amount of time between George Bush being president and George Bush junior being president?

Imzadi - let me guess: those roaming black-outs in California continue. Let me guess: upon taking over the USA, one of your first official acts is the cancellation of Power Rangers, right?

DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Sunday, October 7, 2001 09:35:30 PM
IP: max1-43.cwy.cei.net

** Niamhgold enters **

On Existentialism: Whoo, boy, this subject often brings up the most argumentative side of me. Maybe it's simply because Alecs was in all of my classes last year, and he would go off in critiques about how my work, more than anyone else's, was so dependent on the grid (aka, the past) that it was ludricrous to even continue making art in the manner that I had been.
Existentialism is not a religion, in the same way that nihilism is not. It's just, unhelpfully, a self-proclaimed psychoanalytic "philosophy of being and nothingness." Yes, Camus, Ponge, etc, bring up the ideas of creator and mankind, but more in the context of saying how those things are to be pushed aside, are of no matter in either light, and are in context of modern revolution and art than in any other context (creator as in a creator of a work, not of the universe). Sartre is really the only one to bring up God, but even then states how art, and anything existential, cannot be considered "a priori." Therefore, to even be considered a philosophical doctrine would murder the existentialist standpoint. The very fact that it deals with absurdity deals with it's view on the absurdity of religion, because that would mean that man is living in the past and thus, a meaningless and irresponsible existence. The fact that anyone in this room is even mentioning existentialism as a *thing* is not an existentialist.
In the meanwhile, it's all about turning back on itself, is about the absurdity of a value system, and thus one who "believes" in it better _not_ call it a value system. Or else, they're right back to where they started from. If you want to start your own beautiful rebellion, as Camus puts it, then I suppose the existentialist viewpoint is for you. "Art is the definition of art," from Kosuth's point of view, "In a time when philosophy is unreal because of its assumptions." An existentialist can also not speak for the viewpoint of existentialism on the whole, just as all "existentialists" make it clear that they are only speaking for themselves. They make no real allusion to existentialism as a whole; they don't call on it to defend, as an aetheist might say, "Well, I don't go to service because I am an aetheist."

There, that's my little rant, and as much as I'll talk about the subject. I'm a complete and utter non-existentialist, and this has probably been the most passionate post I've made in here for...probably, well, ever ;) Longer post to come, probably tomorrow after class. I have a huge stack of sketches to finalize. :)

Whoo-hoo! That's enough art-in-theory for me to discuss today! Adios :)
Niamhgold
Sunday, October 7, 2001 09:24:18 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

FS><<Huh?>> I was thinking out loud that strangulation might hurt because of the pressure buildup when you "kink" an artery/vein.
Gunjack "Someone's In The Kitchen With Wilek" Valentine Valentine
Sunday, October 7, 2001 09:09:16 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Gunjack: <Dang, FS! That was FAST!>
Waiting for someone to post in here is the only thing I have to do today!
<If the heart can start and stop like that, then why does strangulation heart so much (excessive blood preasure?)?>
Huh?
Well, the brain sends a signal to the heart to make it beat. Sometimes the heart misfires for a few seconds and the brain sends a wakeup signal.
High blood pressure is a long term thing. It means the heart is working harder, so that damages it (Try lifting a 5 pound weight every few seconds for a few hours straight. Every day, without healing. LONG term damage)
Heart attacks usually occur due to stress (see high blood pressure) or due to a clogged artery. Clogged artery prevents oxygen from getting to the heart, which can end up damaging the heart.
As for the pain, in both cases you are damaging the heart and the heart does have some sense of pain. Damage due to stress or the killing of heart cells due to lack of oxygen definately sends a pain signal to the brain.
Fire Storm
Sunday, October 7, 2001 09:02:48 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

entity> <>
Well, existentialism really has no set rules as what to defines exitentialism. I think Sartre did a good job of setting down the basic (and I mean basic) tenets in "Existentialiam is a Humanism."
It's theistic, agnostice, and atheistc since it's main focus is man's place in the universe, whether this place is absurd or not. A lot of poeple don't know that the coiner of the term and founder was a Lutheren Theologen, Soren Kierkegaard, by whom Sartre was immensley influenced; then came Nietzsche (we all know his stance on religion), then Karl Jaspers, who I think was Catholic (not too sure), propelled it in the early twentieth century along with Heidegger, who was agnostic I think. Then Sartre and Camus jumped in the picture after WW 2.
Well, I guess what I am stabbing at is that existentialism is for theists or atheists or agnostics. The one thing that can't change, IMO, is its ontological purpose in understanding man's place in the universe.
Metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:58:33 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Tim - Based on the decendents and the sound effects (eight round en-block clip, right?), I'd say an M1 Garand. But the originals were 30-06, so is this a post-war redesign?

And the rifles in ST were M14 based!? o.O

Four posts now... Maybe I need to quit cluttering up the room. Peace!
Gunjack "Capitalist Opressor Swine Tyrant" Valentine
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:53:51 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Tim>> BAR?
Yooper - [jwprusi@up.net]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:51:07 PM
IP: jwprusi.resnet.mtu.edu

Dang, FS! That was FAST!

If the heart can start and stop like that, then why does strangulation heart so much (excessive blood preasure?)? And why do heart-attack victims collapse in pain?
Gunjack "Wibbly" Valentine
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:49:20 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Entity><<Don't expect that we will not get stung, perhaps badly, again.>> Getting stung is inevitable when people hate you for what you are. Until we stop being the superpower we are, people are ALWAYS going to hate us, and some of them will be willing to take chunks out of us. This way, we get to take a stab at nipping some of them in the bud.
Gunjack "Pins and Needles" Valentine
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:45:58 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Gunjack: The heart of some snorers frequently stops for periods of up to 20 seconds without any problems.
Truth be told, the brain can survive without fresh oxygen for up to 10 minutes under standard situations, and people in the ER are brought back up o 45 minutes after the stopping of the heart with minimal problems.

Now, if the body is cold, there are cases where the heart has been stopped for up to 3 hours with minimal problems, but I don't reccomend it, and it was a kid after all.
Fire Storm
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:44:10 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Hi guys!

Guess what I got this weekend..

Canadian designer
made in Springfield, Mass.
.308
A decendent was seen in "Full Metal Jacket"
A further decedent is seen in "Starship Troopers"
General George S. Patton called it "The Greatest Battle implement ever disigned."
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG-CHINK!

Whoever gives the correct answer wins a mystery "no-prize" and maybe my respect. ; )

metaldemon: <<Wow! Bush is actually ONLY attacking terrorist bases, AND helping the starving and oppressed class.>> What did you expect? He's not Regan, for crying out loud. : )

Patrick Toman: <<"America Strikes Back" is the tagline this morning. Can you tell we've all watched too many movies?>>
Hey, it sounds alot catchier than "America Carries Out Counter-Offenses."

SJ: NOW are you happy? ; )
Tim
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:43:04 PM
IP: wsc0051.wsc.edu

*Enters headbanging to KMFDM/DDP's "Virus in the Shell"*

Anyone ever seen this vidio? It's oddly appropriate, given the local NIMDA CharlieFox this last week...
All around, not a bad week. Harding was hosting a lectureship, which meant most of my classes were canceled. Unfortunately, I had to spend most all of the extra free time sleeping of my third bout of bronchitus. The whole choking-on-bodily-fluids (shut up, Gside...) thing is getting kinda tiresome, but that's life. On the upside, I got to explain Hentai Tentacles to my roommate. Poor, poor Chad...
And last night, I found something interesting on the Network. Any of you anime fans ever heard of a movie called "Spriggan"? It filled up about two months worth of my "watching things blow up" quota...
And this morning, I find out we've finally started parking GBUs on people. A great way to start the day!

SJ><> Assuming they live long enough to GET to the dry cleaners. <<Pretty much. At least not from religious debates in HERE.>> I dunno... I learned loads from the debate with Entity way back when, and debating with Lain has changed my mind more in the last 6 months than anything else has in the rest of my life...

Imzadi><<Keeping your net connection up is some poor guy's full time job.>> True, true. I'm just a little bitter about NIMDA putting everything on hold for two weeks. <<Huh? Must be a windows thing.>> Actually, it's an eyeball thing. It's what happens when you reach the level of exhaustion where your eyes won't focus any more. <<So if the definition is one sentence long, its a religion? "If she floats, then she's made of wood." Come on!>> I think his point might have been that aithism and agnostiscism are easier to concretely define. <<Does that mean that vegetarians aren't really alive?>> I'd put forward that vegans are a really weenie form of zombie. <> Does the definition of "Dork" leave room for a lifelong and all-consuming interest in smallarms, high explosives, booby traps, and swimming up to the eyeballs in fetid water so as to take enemies from the rear? <<Living in sin implies sex.>> Not according to the HU code of conduct, it doesn't... <<The other day I nuked a baby seal for christ...>> Whaaaaa? <> Anti-capitalist, anti-capitalization. Seems like a logical progression to me... <<Besides, who worries about NIMDA anyway?>> *Grinds teeth* ...Stuck up, cocky...

Gside><<It's happening that early?>> Yup. Probably has something to do with the meds... <<Start posting more.>> Working on it, believe me. <<You're at college. You have lots of free time interspersed with insane amounts of work.>> The problem is that I'm only slacking. True procrastination still eludes me.

CT><> Murder=the willfull ending of innocent life. The Sept 11th attack was indeed large-scale murder (provided that a] you have objective morality to ground the term "innocent" in, or b] you're willing to force your subjective worldview on others); however, the perpetrators are no longer innocent. Therefore, putting rounds into the backs of their heads is no longer murder. Welcome to the CR, by the way. ; ) <<Uh . . . um . . . <Backs away slowly.>>> Yeesh, but you scare easy. Wait till the next time the Dubba Duo, Gside and I start posting all at the same time. <<I'm Canadian, remember?>> Good lord, another one! It seems like all our members are either texans or Mexicans In Sweaters. But the real question remains. Are you Canabaladian?

Lynati - "Shine"? what the heck does that mean? And FYI, I'm on Yahoo now. The name's gunjackvalentine.

Warps><<Good to see ye're back! Look, I got some GURPS stuff I'd like you to take a look at... some racial templates, and somesuch doohickeys.>> Send it to ye olde email. And sometime, probably after I belatedly chew the OTHER half of your @$$, I'll have to pass you the Fichetti SP-11.

Carolynn Marie><<You're not going to do much harm if you walk around and yell BANG!! at people>> Well, what about tightrope walkers? ; )

Entity><<Any Linkin Park fans?>> Ooo. Hey. Right here. My roommate introduced me to their REAL music last week, and I've been rocking out ever since.

Lain><<nope, society really HASNT come that far along when it comes to gender steriotypes..>> I'd put forward that the companies might be merely selling kids what they want. Then someone could say that the girls want makeup stuff because that's the way they've been raised, which leads to an eternal chicken-or-the-egg dilema. But honestly, how many little girls do you know (and you don't count, dear... ; ))who prefer catching frogs and slugs to playing house? Do you tell them that enjoying the "stereotype" is bad and wrong, and they should go play with frogs and slugs instead?
<<You and i should gang up on moochie and marmalize his little god-fearin butt some day..>> Marmalize? Does that have anything to do with caramel? <<GET A PASSPORT!! NOW!!! have you got one yet? WHATS TAKING SO LONG?!>> The office is closed for the weekend. Don't worry, it's on the itinerary for monday.
Incidentally, did you hear Bush's speech this morning? "Other close friends, including Canada *long pause*, Australia, Germany and France, have pledged forces as the operation unfolds." ...Looks like it was a mistake after all. ; ) <<and how much he argues with me that "women arent supposed to go to war..">> When did I say THAT!? o.O <<squids have really cool mating dances, did you know? theyre really cool..>> Gside, have I mentioned lately what a lucky fragger I am? ; )

Wilek><<One Simply Does Not carry only one type of weapon.>> Words to live by. <<Like that, but with more guns.>> To quote Tycho, you ARE the wind beneath my wangs. <<Kermit and his offspring Rygel (shoulda used prophylactics with those Furby escorts, Kermie) wouldn't be caught dead there.>> This frightens me on a primal level. Almost as much as the Drunkard's improve skit of Kermit as a sadistic bisexual sadist billionare. <> Elegantly phrased, but rather innacurate in points... <<Now come let our lady possess you/In her breathtaking, hair-raising bed/She'll tingle your spine, as she captures your heart and your head!>> Info. Now. I need more material to freak my roomie out with! <> I dunno about THAT, but it IS nice to subtly invert the darkness=evil/light=good paradigm every once in a while... For shock value, if nothing else. <<And boy was that a fun brainstorming session.>> You didn't invite me!? I thought we were FRIENDS! ; ) <<We call it the NRA.>> 'Mano, you bring a tear to my eye... :D <<It tends to leave students a bit naive...>> Does it, now? Coulda fooled me... ; )

And one last thing: To any of you medical people in the room, how long can the human body survive, without permanent brain damage, if the heart stops pumping? If the heart stopped for a second or two, and then started right back up, would any permanent damage be done?
Gunjack "Lie with B!tches, Rise with Stitches" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:35:15 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

This just in: rearranging the letters in "Osama Bin Laden" gets you "A Lesbian Nomad"

make of THAT what you will.
Josh
Sunday, October 7, 2001 08:14:15 PM
IP: adsl-64-173-20-108.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

BUC-CAN-F@*!AN-NEERS!!! HAHAH! TAKE THAT CHEEZ WHIZ!

BUCS RIDE THE A-TRAIN OVER THE PACKERS 14-10!!! BUCS ARE 2-1 for the Season so far!!! GOOooooooooOOO BUCS!!!

<coughs softly> Sorry, I get carried away sometimes. ^_^ Apologies all. ^_^

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa Bay, FL, USA
Sunday, October 7, 2001 07:17:52 PM
IP: 6535134hfc79.tampabay.rr.com

I'd just like to say that, this far in, Bush and company seem to be doing everything right. I was very impressed with the news this morning. Unfortunately, at the same time as I got to finally see Lady Liberty with her sleeves rolled up, I had to endure that disgusting "speech" from Bin "I'm worse at talking than Bush" Laden. I hope to God (and I use that as an abstract reference) that Muslims are smart enough not to be swayed by that pathetic bastard's claims to stand for all of Islam.

Metaldom> I think I might just look into this "I and Thou" now.

Josh> <<>> Very good song. Lyric-wise, it would be 2nd only to "Thing I Hate" of Stabbing Westward's. My fave sounding one is "Why," though. It just has this very absorbing, moody tune. <<<So if the definition is one sentence long, its a religion?>>> Well, you've got something like agnosticism which says, merely, "I don't know if there is a God." Something like existentialism, on the other hand, involves an array of beliefs regarding freedom, choice, subjectivity, and absurdity. Isn't Confucionism something along the lines of an "array of beliefs" as well? Plus, if I'm not mistaken, existentialism's very foundation is the lack of thiesm. Can't that draw it into the fold of religion, if nothing else?

Green Baron> <<<As for existentialsim, it strikes me as more fo a philosophy than a religion, since there are existentialists of a variety of faiths.>>> Really. I think they're bending the philosophy to suit their own ends. I see it as a philosophy, yes, but I don't also see why it can't count as a religion, if agnosticism or Confucionism counts. Or how about something like Scientology? <<<When I relax a litte, I spasm becaus ei'm so tightly wound all the time and it's not even deliberate.>>> Are you talking about literally?
Entity
Sunday, October 7, 2001 07:12:07 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Game day...Battle of the Bays! Gooooo BUCS!

And with that out of the way...

#

PATRICK - <<Sounds cool. I wasn't aware many professional publishers spent a lot of time reading online fanfic archives.>> Actually this publisher hasn't read any of my fanfic... They've read some of my stories off of an original story archive that I've been a part of for over a year, but it's only recently that I've gotten back into actively posting new material.

<<So which online archive have you been posting too?>> That's my little secret... you'll just have to wait until the book comes out to check out my work. ^_^ Seriously, I'd make the name of the place public, but considering the content, I'll refrain from posting it here, due to CR S&P.

CHRISTINE - I'd love to do that, but I'd have to cut out a LOT of character exposition and stuff. Perhaps I'll do something with the Bloody Vixen characters in a shorter story in the future, but I still want to get the original story done first.

BTW, you sent an e-mail asking if I'd review a story you're working on for publication. I'm willing to look it over, so send it on in please?

JOSH - No, I'm not a Democrat. In the last few Elections (not counting the last one) I voted either Republican or Independant.

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, October 7, 2001 06:23:17 PM
IP: 6535134hfc79.tampabay.rr.com

60% through a 10 hour shift.

My GOD Weekends are boring as h@|| here!

Emmys have been postponed once again.
And I should care WHY? No good shows would win anyway.
At least, nothing I watch.
Junkyard Wars? NO
Buffy? NO
Angel? NO
etc, etc.
Fire Storm
Sunday, October 7, 2001 06:07:39 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

GB> Back in my hometown, Ft. Huachuca was right in my backyard. ;) Here at school, though, I'm near Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Az. :) And I agree with you about Goldwater...would much rather have seen him get a go at the presidency over Johnson. It's too bad he got smeared like he did. Plus he was an Arizona boy! :)
Ravyn
Sunday, October 7, 2001 05:14:34 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

Well, I was with two friends at a gasthaus and I left the only one sober, like normal, only to see in one room that America Strikes Back. I woudl much prefer a ground strike and slaughter by swords, but bombs can work, too, though I prefer hack/n slash to stuff blowing up. I guess I'm too medieval. Well, as long as we stick to hitting enemy targets, we're on focus. I just hope we remember to leave teh main fighting to the Northern Alliance, so we aren't foreign aggressors, but merely taking sides in a civil war, like how American diplomacy games are meant to be.

One thought about Bush striking a legitimate target an dnot jsut carpet bombing Clinton style. Back in teh primary, he was on Hardball and told Chrs Matthews one of his heroes was Winston Churchill. Now go back to the Battle of Britain. The Luftwaffe was bombing Britsih air bases, which was very good strategically. Churchill read Mein Kampf and knew Hitler's mind a little. He could just send plane against plane and Germany woudl stick to striking military targets crippling the RAF and the lion would surrender to Mr. "Vegetarian artist who never made it higher than Corporal" within a few weeks. Churchill used a long shot. He sent soem RAF pilots into Germany and just dropped some bombs on Berlin. It didn't matter where. It was a cocky move and tehse guys knew tehy wouldn't survive, but what did Britain have to lose. The gambit worked. Hitler went berserk that Germany was bombed and he changed from just hitting military tragets to bombing all of Britain. The Luftwaffe started hitting towns and cities allowing the RAF to recoup and rebuild. While Coventry was decimated, the RAF recovered and they won the Battle of Britain all because Hitler lost his cool.

This is a lesson to those who wanted a carpet bomb, just because they hit us with a few airplanes. Bush impresses me by keeping his cool during this time instead of letting his emotions take over. Bush may not be as good a public speaker as Clinton, JFK, or Reagan, but he isn't an imbecile. He has a Yale Bachelors and a Harvard MBA, and even rich yankees need brains to get those.

As for food and relief, not only is it a nice thing to do and good to help those in need, but it's good to create a fifth column and soemtimes all you need is to fill some bellies. We do a good deed and make soem allies among the peasants. Not a bad job. As long as we hit necessary targetsa nd destroy the Taliban infrastructure, we can let the Alliance do the rest of the job for us. Now, let's be careful of personalities in this group, though. Best to be cautious.

Ch'Tah Tyger> I odn't know who converted, but I suspect a lot more returned. A lot of people take their religion for granted. Hopefully this will help them re-evaluate their beleifs and how much conviction they give them. At one time, it was illegal to have a Catholic Mass in England and only so many decades ago, I would be beaten because I'm Catholic right in the US. Now, tehse two countries are fighting against the religious intolerance they once stood for. Maybe that's what the Taliban fear worse. They were like the US and Britain a few centuries ago, imagine where they may be in three centuries. perhaps that is their worst fear.

Christine> I bet you'd love to drive them crazy :)

SJ> <<Oh God. If they cook collard greens, the Baptist revolt is done for.>> Plus after the fellowship dinner we give you guys, we'll create a Baptist rite in the Catholic Church and the newly converted Billy Graham will be a Cardinal in charge of the rite. How's that for a turn around :)

Entity> Being fixed are mutable? Why not in the middle. It si good to be steadfast with a solid foundation, but also open to new ideas. Even the great fortress needs to upgrade. The Catholic Church is slow to change, but it has changed since Jesus made St. Peter the first Pope. At on etiem organ music was banned at mass. Now, you hear electric guitars at some masses. Best to be open to change, but to be careful when changing. Vatican II is a good example. A great deal of changes wer emade, but the Councli was concluded when the pendulum swung too much in the favor of radicals. Now it swings to the tarditioanlists and conservatives, and in a few years Church policy will get a little more liberal. Then again, that is common with many major organizations. We are not amde up of various factions, so we can't operate like a pendulum, though I do too often. I wonder if my views count as a philosophy.

As for existentialsim, it strikes me as more fo a philosophy than a religion, since there are existentialists of a variety of faiths.

Well, partying is over-rated. I am too quiet and uptight to enjoy a party. When I relax a litte, I spasm becaus ei'm so tightly wound all the time and it's not even deliberate.

Ravyn> <<Hey, the insane trigger-happy American bit worked for Reagan... ;)>> Too bad, Goldwater was smeared as that. He would have been a lot better than Lyndon Johnson. All the stuff that snake accused Golwater of, he did himself. he bombed Hanoi and escalated the war. He probably did more than Goldwater ever would and he also created a war on poverty that devestated our nation.

Only two good things resulted from Vietnam. We lost our naivete and childish trust in the Government and Lyndon Johnson was politically destroyed and died 5 years after he left office.

DPH> When I was in Memphis, I noticed that. My friend Keith was uncomfortable with a lot of churches he picked. He found Bellevue too big (its the size of a factory) and soem otehr stoo hung up on little things. If we could turn a united Baptist front into a fellowship dinner, all teh Catholci swoudl need is a Baptist rite to make a bunch of new converts right at home :)

Gisde> <> I just don't see you as the type looking at porn. I see you more interested in the latest computer, though for all I know, you and Niamhgold could become the next CR couple :)

Imzadi> <<Oh now THAT will be a fun party.>> I ahve too many alcholholics in my family. A lot quit drinking and i odn't want them starting up again over me. No champagne when my kids are christened either.

<<Um...don't eunichs usually NOT have breast fixations?>> I am intact, but on some levels I've been clipped, like I have no desire to sow any wild oats ::hears a dramatic sigh from the fanb club::

<<Freak>> I also like wearing polyester.
<<WHATEVER!>> That was meant to be a joke.
<<Which is the really important thing.>> Well, that state needs conservatives. I am on a mission to keep Florida in GOP hands and stp paying state income tax to a bunch of crooked politicians in Louisiana :)
<,So am I, so says Jannie.> But Christine wrote a naughty story featuring me :)

Metaldemon> My mother was a Philosophy/English major with a Theology minor and she has soem books by Sartre and Camus that you may like, plus some Tie DeChardin (sp). She was a bit unhappy about me reading Machiavelli at 15, though.

Carolynn Marie> Well, bombs and relief. That makes a good balance :) This is going to be a lot of fun in future History classes.

Niamhgold> We knew it was coming.

Sevarius Jr.> Remember the Battle of Britain, but at leats you get your pretty little fireworks show. I'd rather a ground striek in teh camps so we can hang corpses and be medieval, but a startegic bombing is more effective and not as barabaric.

Ravyn> What base are you near. I know Ft Huachuca is in your backyard.

Greg Bishansky> Well, that depends on how the war is fought. If the Taliban are routed in Afghanistan, our General firend in Pakistan may face a Civil War. When we take out the Taliban there, we will prove a more formidable adversary not to be f*cked with. However soem other loony may want to prove something. I just hope we do the right thing when all is said and done. America could really change a lot of lives for better or worse. They alos have to clean up their mess. We've been cleaning upa fter fRance for the last two hundred years, so we can do it for ourselves.

Metaldemon> We'll see how long those unwashed frogs stay behind us. They owe us, too. Vietnam was their fault and it split the US apart. If only Patton liberated Paris and DeGaulle should have been shot as soon as he was of no more use to the US. As President he got us into Vietnam. That's gratitude after we save his country and let teh Vichy keep their government, but call it the Fifth Republic.

SOROW> Happy Anniversary.

Traveler> For a moment I thought your were Entity. It's good to see you post again. This new war makes me curious. Will we handle with traechery and brains, or with brawn, emotions, and sacrificing our allies and soldiers without need. That is the question. Bush's team know history especially since Rumsfield was already Sec of Defense. Bush is not Lyndon Johnson and we're not cleaning up after France. On the other hand, we shoudln't be too confident we'll be careful. Even the best minds can get hit by emotions.

These enemies are different than teh Cold War types. The USA and the USSR had phoen links to each other at all times. Brezhnev and Mao were personal friends of Nixon. Jruschev and Eisenhower held debates. Reagan and Gorbie rode in limos together and shared a sort fo personsl friendship though there were still differences. In soem ways teh Cold War was a big chess game between the superpowers. We need now a superpower that is pragmatic and capitalsit, taht si our equal in power, but woudl never actually fight us. Their leader woudl ahve direct contact with ours. We woudl have a love/hate relationship with them, but still trade and maintain a grudging respect. They'd be mroe adversaries than enemies. Peopel to compete with, but when the day is over we shake their hands and wish them well till we start a new day. That woudl be too idealistic. Instaed we ahve a powerful nation with littel enemies. America is turning into Rome. We stayed on top and no one is close so we are losing our edge. I wonder who will be next to lead.

Spacebabie> Golden Knights. Mine was a wolf and of course touchdown Jesus. Do you want to hear the story of touchdown Jesus :)

Good night and be merry
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Pioneer Kasserne, Hanau, Germany
Sunday, October 7, 2001 04:51:45 PM
IP: bfce.hanau.army.mil

I'm posting with this icon cause its the same name as my school mascot. The Golden Knights!

Daunte Culpepper Rocks!

and so does the USA!
Bomb those turd monkeys

I had a good weekend. We had sushi friday night and I'm addicited to this computer game...Black and White. I'm a good Goddess

Well just want to check in.
Go USA.
Spacebabie
Orlando, FL, U.S.A
Sunday, October 7, 2001 04:19:11 PM
IP: 1cust113.tnt3.orl3.da.uu.net

*dark mirthful chuckle*

And so the next steps in the eternal dance are occurring... what a grand time to be alive.

It's been so long... but history for good or for ill is in the air once again. The Pentagon/WTC attacks were merely the catalyst for what I think you may be about to witness in the next decade or so. Take a sniff, the smell is usually the rank and foul odor from the bodies of those that could not, or would not withstand and adapt. However changes of this magnitude happen ever so rarely and though the smell is repugnant, it should be savored. You will be witnessing not just the hunt and eradication of "the evil, bad terrorists"... that is merely a very small part in the grand scheme of things.

What you will actually be experiencing and taking part of is the sweeping away of the last of the Old World that refused to adapt and change when faced with a culture(s) and world that, ironically enough, could not have come to fruition without the critical role their own ancestral clerics and scholars played in birthing it ages ago.

Who says the Universe/God doesn't have a sense of humor. *wicked grin*

In the short term, patriotism aside I do hope you all at least partially realize that we've just taken a flamethrower and baseball bat to an already angry hornet's nest. Don't expect that we will not get stung, perhaps badly, again.

I expect the next few months shall be very... interesting.

Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the web we weave

One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world

Invisible transfers, long distance calls,
Hollow laughter in marble halls
Steps have been taken, a silent uproar
Has unleashed the dogs of war
You can't stop what has begun
Signed, sealed, they deliver oblivion
We all have a dark side, to say the least
And dealing in death is the nature of the beast

One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world

The dogs of war don't negotiate
The dogs of war won't capitulate,
They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live
You can knock at any door,
But wherever you go, you know they've been there before
Well winners can lose and things can get strained
But whatever you change, you know the dogs remain.

One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world

-Pink Floyd, A Momentary Lapse of Reason
Traveler
Sunday, October 7, 2001 03:57:39 PM
IP: ny-hamburg3a-220.buf.adelphia.net

I am bored as frell, so I went through the first week of this cr and noticed something: Only 5 out of the 40 people who posted that week are still in here!
Fire Storm
Sunday, October 7, 2001 03:46:08 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

While watching the TV coverage of the attacks just now, I looked over at my Gargoyles screensaver and realized among all the US excitement....I missed my CR anniversary! As of October 1, 2001 I been a loyal member of this CR for THREE YEARS! Whoo hoo! And look, most of us are still here :) I love you guys!
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 03:06:40 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Missed this!

DPH: <It's time to end Power Rangers!!>
GO GO POWER RANGERS!
No... really. I mean it. GO! NOW!
"But we have to protect the city!" The Rangers speak with exagerated movements.
As I thought you would say. REAPER! HURT//MAIM//KILL! MAD XENOMORPH! They are yours. Make it... unplesant.
Fire Storm
Sunday, October 7, 2001 02:53:23 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Ch'Tah Tyger: <Actually, not all furry fans are into just plushies>
I just confused the two. Sorry.

Gside: <I'll probably know that by the end of Linear Systems and Signals>
Thats no fun. I will probally know by the end of the week. (I already have the hardware device and the base code, I just gotta figure out how to do math in C++
<Remember, you asked for it>
And when I get home, I shall take my punishment.
<Why could you not have a nondestined pair take on AngeWoman?>
Hmm... maybe...
DAMN IT! Now I am getting a new story idea!
<You prefer your meat... unseasoned?>
Yep. I think Hanibal Letcher said it best. ;)
<And lit on fire. Whoops, there goes my homonecropyrobestialiacophobia>
YES! I *KNEW* you would fit that in! :)

Imzadi: <Now you know what my job is like>
BIG difference: You are at home. I am stuck here.
<Bah, piece of cake>
Still, I think it would be funny seeing Hudson try.
<Does that mean that vegetarians aren't really alive?>
Yes. ;)
You are never alive unless you eat the flesh of a dead animal.
<Obviously, not what I meant>
I know
<He took one fast enough>
True... but I still don't think he likes the concept of names.
<No way that's as beautiful as Apple's powerbook. No way>
I think it would be just as nice, or maybe even nicer.
I mean, they have to go for looks more since there is alot of competition in the PC laptop market. There is NO competition in the Mac area.
<New iBooks start at $1300>
$700, I have no problem spending to see if Macs are worth it. $1300, on the other hand, is a little too much for me.
<Who the hell refers to it as a PC card?!>
Newbies. And Morons. And companies that sell this stuff.
<Yes, this is how most computers get WLAN, no?>
Yep.

Breaking News: GREAT. And I am at work without a TV.
Hmm... streaming CNN...

Coyote: <it could only be the ASE-certified guy at the *parts store* trying to swindle him>
Don't trust the guy behind the counter.
Don't trust the PROFESSIONAL guy behind the counter even more. ;)
Fire Storm
Sunday, October 7, 2001 01:50:19 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Let me go on record as saying one thing.

THIS SUCKS!

I'll be back later.
Ch'Tah Tyger - [cwtyger@lionking.org]
Revelstoke, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, October 7, 2001 01:48:01 PM
IP: 64.114.2.11

Jan > apparently, the e-mail I have for you isn't the current one after all ... it bounced. What's your addy?
Christine
Sunday, October 7, 2001 01:36:06 PM
IP: 13-016.075.popsite.net

Wow! Bush is actually ONLY attacking terrorist bases, AND helping the starving and oppressed class. And I thought he was going to attack the whole damn country; instead he's only attakcing the guilty parties and their bases, which is what me and my facist-self wanted. Hopefully this won't lead to a full blown-out war.
SJ> Looks like you criticized the French too early since they are behind us.
Imzadi> Yeah, I remember that line; I didn't catch until a month ago when I was recording it.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, October 7, 2001 01:30:48 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

One more thing...

Hyperion: "Handcuffs > Why does everyone (indefinite) always snicker at the thought of handcuffs? I mean, I raise my eyebrows at six-point suspension but...handcuffs? <shrug>"

Six-point suspension? Sounds like something vaguely automotive... "Presenting the new 2002 Lincoln Continental, with traction control and six-point suspension!"

I mean... using my imagination, I can reasonably figure what four-point suspension might mean in this context... but being always open to learning new things, perhaps you'll enlighten me on what the other two points are. My email addy is below. ;)
Patrick Toman - [puck@art-chicks.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 01:29:15 PM
IP: 1cust157.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

I was just watching the President speak on CNN. "America Strikes Back" is the tagline this morning. Can you tell we've all watched too many movies?

Of course, I could've happily waited for an attack to start AFTER I had flown back home... but still, it's about damn time.

Stephen > Sounds cool. I wasn't aware many professional publishers spent a lot of time reading online fanfic archives. So which online archive have you been posting too? I'd still like to check out your work.
Oh yeah... don't call me Elf. I've got enough online nicknames without adding another.
Patrick Toman - [puck@art-chicks.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 01:18:51 PM
IP: 1cust157.tnt1.santa-paula.ca.da.uu.net

FINALLY!!!

Been long enough. Hopefully we'll be able to stop any terrorist retaliation.
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, October 7, 2001 01:18:01 PM
IP: slip-32-100-252-90.ny.us.prserv.net

Go, USA!!! :)

You know, being near an Air Force base, I've seen some really cool planes lately...seen more F-16's in these last few weeks flyin' around here than anything. So cool. ;)

Coyote dearest> **huggles** :) <<it could only be the ASE-certified guy at the *parts store* trying to swindle him.>> Oh, yeah, riiiight... just remember, when people try to drive you crazy like that, you're *my* ASE certified guy. ;) <<After he left, I asked if I could get my car and run his ass over.>> Not before I do! :) <<ICE HOCKEY GAME>> Ice? What's that? j/k ;) Actually...would you believe that we have an ice hockey team? Don't know who we play around here...or even where we play for that matter... but we have one. ;) <<thank you soo much for all the good wishes on my birthday.>> You're more than welcome, wonderful. I hope it's a good one for ya. ;) **big kiss right back** :)

Jan> <<What fun it is to live in a rural area>> Ohh, yeah... back home, I remember hanging out with a police friend of mine one night, and one of the calls he got was that someone called in to say a stop sign was faded ... another was an older lady saying there were bubbles in her water. ;) <> Sweet!!! I need to learn how to do that. ;)

Barry Bonds broke the HR record. Ah, well... at least my guys won the NL West pennant. ;)

Stephen> Congrats on the possible publishing opportunity!!! :) Awesome. <<Does that mean you're going to get Don to work out to be the next Triple-H?>> Hmm... ideas, ideas.... ;)

Josh> <<Bloodhound Gang, "Hooray For Boobies">> Ah, yeah, that's right... my brother used to play that album non-stop... ugh... ;) Although I did find the little Pac-man thing pretty hilarious... <> Neener, neener, I don't have linear algebra, fluids, or materials ... yet ... ;)
Ravyn
Sunday, October 7, 2001 01:14:09 PM
IP: manzy-mo-1-226.rescomp.arizona.edu

**SJ enters to Metallica's "Seek and Destroy"**

Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Bomb the sh!t out of 'em!

I wouldn't want to be the Taliban's dry cleaners, cause I imagine those robes are mighty stained right about now...
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 12:51:11 PM
IP: 66-44-61-251.s505.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com

Omigod, my game actually happened! Between cons and illness and people just plain flaking out, we hadn't gamed in two months. And we'd ended with a "to be continued" just as Karandis was pelting wildly down the street (alone, no less) because the burrowing underground monster was about to burst up through the floor of the Galatine church where all the townsfolk had taken refuge. It was nice to finally get that resolved!

Today's projects: work on promo items and our display for the Bookfest (we blew up the book covers to 11x17 and they look amazing!); decorate for Halloween (my fave holiday); drag down our leftover Gargoyles merchandise because we've gotten a bunch of e-mails asking what we had left for sale (stuff hasn't been unpacked from the Gathering).

Gside > whether the tail gets in the way or not depends on really just what the prevalence of that particular act is among the gay gargoyle population; one research factor I must investigate (reality as opposed to porno, because from what I've seen, porno involving women rarely involves anything close to what I've observed in real life <g>). But it's not exactly the sort of thing I can just pop up and ask my gay male friends, now, is it?

Ravyn > thanks; at least this time the inservice was held in a room that had rows of tables and chairs, instead of just chairs. Made it much easier to write!

Josh > there's nothing wrong with writing smut. I just mildly object to the perception that it's _all_ I write, when it's not even the majority.

Stephen > that's wonderful news! I hope it works out for you. Are you going to adapt the Vixen story to 32,000 words?

Jan > about the moon, though ... some say it's because of the tidal pull on the bloodstream. That part's crap, methinks; on the cloudy full-moon nights, the effect is nowhere near as strong as when you can _see_ the thing hanging up there all frosty and pale. Thanks for the offer on answering my questions! I will get an e-mail out to you straightaway (if you're still at the addy I have).

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, October 7, 2001 12:46:47 PM
IP: 13-016.075.popsite.net

** Niamhgold enters **

Great, so now we've launched an official attack? Man, I hate waking up to breaking news...

Niamhgold
Sunday, October 7, 2001 12:45:59 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

EVERYBODY< Hey, folks, turn on the news. There's a US airstrike against the Taliban right now. I think it's the first time in world history a country has airdropped food and sent missiiles on a country at the same time.
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Sunday, October 7, 2001 12:45:13 PM
IP: 130.newark-38-39rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

**Winterwolf steps into the CR**

Hi. Well I'm off on my long trip from NY to Seattle. I'll hopefully be posting from Seattle by the end of the week.

**HUGS**
**WAVES**
**GONE**
Winterwolf
Bronx , NY
Sunday, October 7, 2001 12:36:55 PM
IP: pool-141-155-119-102.ny5030.east.verizon.net

Nothing like waking up to discover you've almost missed the top ten, then realizing that its 2PM and people still aren't awake. And I thought I was a lazy bum.

Today, my apartment is suffering from random brownouts. Nothing lasting more than a few seconds, but altogether very irritating. I'm so glad I have a UPS. Now if only it didn't beep obnoxiously every three seconds when the power is out.

I went back and forth between laundry, homework, and studying. I think lunch was the highlight of my day...and I've forgotten what I had.

Managed to get all of my laundry done and a whopping one assignment. I think tomorrow I'll do my math homework, then spend the rest of the day studying for my fluids midterm on monday morning. Monday night: stat homework due wednesday, start my dynamics homework, and study for my stat midterm. Tuesday night: finish dynamics homework, start materials homework, study for stat midterm. Wednesday: stat midterm. Wednesday night: midterms over, get crazy drunk. Just kidding. Finish materials homework to the best of my ability, start fluids homework. Thursday: get more info on how to complete fluids and materials homework, then go home and actually finish them. Friday: hand in everything.

That should be my extra exciting week. I think on friday night I'll need to do something really stupid, like get stoned.

Replies

Gunjack: <<Nice of them to wait until 2 AM to turn the net back on>>: You make it sound like there's a switch somewhere. Net=0 or something. There isn't. Keeping your net connection up is some poor guy's full time job. the CR's doing that whole deform-sideways-into-jagged-scrawls-of-demon-scrip thing>>: Huh? Must be a windows thing.

Stephen: Welcome back. <<cash handling duties>>: Hah, they don't trust you with the money...are you a democrat? <<Gigatron sounds so much more evil than old megs did>>: yeah, but what the hell kind of name is gigatron? <<am I the only one that likd the original names>>: No, you're just not in the target audience...whoever the hell that is. <<I'm finally getting off my duff to get into the professional writing world>>: Its gotta beat flipping burgers.

Jim R: <<Believe it or not, the original was 3 times that size>>: I believe it. <>: What's it at now? Can't be any higher than 128. <<There's nothing wrong with MJ's pop music, people like variety, that's all>>: I agree.

Entity: <<They do look rather freakish>>: LOL. <<You spoke the correct song. "Runaway" has got to be my favorite of Linkin Park's, if not of all time>>: Its my favorite song of Linkin Park's, but I don't think its my favorite song ever. I think that title would have to go to Stabbing Westward for "Save Yourself". <>: No, it really isn't. Existentialism is not a system of beliefs or faiths the way Agnosticism or Confucionism is. <<in comparison to athiesm or agnosticism where the definition is about one sentence long>>: I see. So if the definition is one sentence long, its a religion? "If she floats, then she's made of wood." Come on!

Ch'Tah: <<The highest debut on the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 is one of the worst songs in the history of mankind! It's soooooooooo annoying>>: Which one? <<because I'm high>>: The best way to post. <<How old does that make me?>>: Roughly my age. <<What steps off of the transporter pad is a Vulcan who can't stand herself>>: Or a dog with huge boobs. Neither would be very funny. <<You can never have too much of anything>>: That is SO not true. <<Or you could leave it to the guys with talent>>: As far as I know, MJ was the only pop artist ever with talent. All pop in the last 4 years has been nothing but prefabricated garbage. <<Start the Commotion>>: How'd you know they were gonna clear the room? <<Begins grooming his fur>>: My bad, I thought you were a girl. <<My sister is insane>>: Females. <<I'd hate to be in your shoes right now>>: I'm sure that isn't making him feel any better. <<It makes me feel like part of the family>>: Referring to us as a "family" just opens the path to all kinds of incest jokes.

Moochie: <<fuddrucker>>: Heh heh. Love that place.

Metaldemon: <<read THE CASTLE by Franz Kafka>>: Okay, I can't resist. Do you remember Fox's line "Kafka's too butch and nietzche (sp?) reminds me of your little friends over there"? Not that it has anything to do with your discussion, but I thought I'd mention it...since, ya know..this is a gargoyles CR.

Siofra: <<Back to homework>>: Ahhh, Trebek...we meet again ;-)

The Wizard: <<Nevermind>>: Beatcha 8-)

Jan: <<I�m not a dweeb, thankyouverymuch>>: Don't lie. I saw you at the auction, bidding on things like Goliath Bubble Bath. Not to mention the fact that you're in this CR in the first place because of Denis. I'd qualify that as something only a dweeb would do. And I would know. Cuz I'm a dweeb. <<Sorry that you are so swamped with classes, homework, and mid-terms>>: You and me both. Thanks for the sympathies, though. <>: I probably will, since in the future all my memories of this will blur into a single 10-minute flashback ;-) <<oh well, nevermind>>: You'll have to excuse me, I'm an engineer. I don't get that stuff ;-) <<What fun it is to live in a rural area>>: ::shudder:: <>: Could you teach me that trick? <<It was the day of loonies yesterday>>: What were you doing in Berkeley? <<Some were saying that they had more in attendance that following Sunday then they do on Easter or Christmas>>: Wow! That's a lot of new believers. I wonder what the synogauges saw that weekend. <<but ended up buying things for myself>>: Those are the best presents!

Sorow: <<2 As and 2 Cs>>: not bad. Sounds like my first set of midterms 8-) <<So at least I'm passing>>: Ya know, before college I was obsessed with my grades. 4 point something or other. Now...I just want to get out with my sanity intact.

Lynati: <<DC kill>>: Lovely imagery, really.

FS: <<If this job didn't pay me, it would really suck>>: Now you know what my job is like. <<Gargoyles balancing checkbooks>>: Bah, piece of cake. <<one hath not yet lived unless ye hath tasted the seared flesh of the bovine!>>: Does that mean that vegetarians aren't really alive? <>: Obviously, not what I meant. <<One would have better luck convincing Hudson that everything needs a name>>: He took one fast enough. <<Wrap a Dell in Titanium>>: No way that's as beautiful as Apple's powerbook. No way. <<Linux/Unix is for another PC>>: Oh. My bad. <>: You can't even imagine how much 10.1 rocks. But it does still have some bugs. In any case, its not gonna as fast on a 366 MHz G3 as it will on a newer machine. New iBooks start at $1300. <<where can I find out the stats on the iBook once I find out the model number>>: www.apple-history.com I don't know which model you have, but its not the "dual-USB". That's the newest. Check out the site and find yours. Its either the iBook, iBook SE, or iBook firewire. Tell me what you've got when you find out, will ya? <<PC Card on a laptop>>: Who the hell refers to it as a PC card?! <<PCI Card is completely different>>: No, its an expansion card for a desktop, just like a PCMCIA card is an expansion card for a laptop. <<they do have PCI Cards that have PCMCIA slots on them>>: Yes, this is how most computers get WLAN, no? <<For sex, I agree>>: I thought you might. <<For food>>: I'll refrain from "eating" jokes.

Sappy: Welcome back. <<mainly because I've been trying to survive quite possibly *the* SUCKIEST week known to man>>: Don't even start with me. You didn't just have three midterms, two quizzes, a lab, and two problem sets. <<Got a speeding ticket>>: I remember when that happened. It sucks. <<There goes my insurance rates>>: Traffic school? <<He won't miss it.>>: Yeah, right! See if he still thinks that when you find the little punk. <<At least the store paid for the glass repairs>>: That was awfully nice of them. Why'd they do that? <<the new window comes off the rollers>>: Gah! SUCK. <<After he left, I asked if I could get my car and run his ass over>>: Its easier to ask forgiveness than permission! <<72,500 screaming fans are currently bundled up in 50 degree weather watching an ICE HOCKEY GAME>>: Nutcases.

Mooncat: <<My tummy is burning!>>: Okay, Ralph. <<All that and I missed the top ten too>>: Its overrated.

Todd: <<I'm looking forward to how they handle the new "returned from the dead" Buffy in next week's episode>>: Maybe she'll do the angel thing and forget how to talk for a few episodes and have to be chained up 8-)

Aingeal: <>: Der. <<and a new computer>>: Must...control...fist...of...death. <>: I am. <<as I'm an Angel>>: Keep telling yourself that. <<you're too mucvh like I used tyo be.. it anoys me a lot of times?>>: Yeah yeah. Either that or your frustrated that I continually get away with behavior that you can't? <<where's the fun without that>>: Seeing as our last spat resulted in you and lyn bitching at me, I'm in no mood to deal with your garbage. <<That's just morenal females>>: No, that's all of them. <<you'd think that a God would be able to improve on that>>: Not if the god was female. <<it never stopped it from getting to me>>: well, then you needed to develop a stronger ego. <<::grins:: kute>>: I thought so.

DPH: <<It's time to end Power Rangers>>: Thank goodness. <<if the TGS CR gets filled with too much logic, the universe will self-destruct>>: I highly doubt that.

Gside: <<Finally killed Diablo with my druid>>: Nice! I watched my roommate kill Diablo...took him a few tries...on nightmare mode. <<Amazing how we can attract all these people from an imaginary place>>: Yet hardly surprising. <<So's he>>: Just checking. <<And that would be this post's potshot, no>>: Pretty much, yeah. <<Should have gone into packaging engineering>>: There's still time. But wrong kind of boxes. <<The rest of your life is physics>>: Mechanics, specifically. Unless I do something else. <<it'll have gone through enough permutations that it isn't recognizeable>>: If you become a programmer you may use some mechanics in graphics programming, but probably not much of it. <>: And maybe a preface. <<Actually, that was a typo. Should have been getHead>>: That could have been a function name for the lab writeup I just did, where we measured head 8-) <<True, but that takes more time>>: Unless its only that one line. <>: His middle initial is T. I would have been able to give you his first name. <<Jesus $!@#ing Christ>>: Couldn't find it. <<but you share many linguistic aspects with it>>: No shock there. <<there are many non-men here>>: There are!? <>: Yes, but since he asked the question in the first place, his opinion on the matter is obviously void. <<its base would block many avenues of approach>>: As my mother said: "where there's a will, there's a way". <<As long as you promise never to go into EE>>: Oh, I promised that a long time ago. <<I'll probably know that by the end of Linear Systems and Signals>>: Translation: reply hazy, ask again later. <<You prefer your meat... unseasoned>>: That was just wrong. <<And lit on fire. Whoops, there goes my homonecropyrobestialiacophobia>>: LOL.

AOL is Satan on a stick
-Dale Rubin

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, Land of the Free
Sunday, October 7, 2001 04:54:58 AM
IP: c852362-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com

Finally killed Diablo with my druid. He was giving me much trouble.

Imzadi> <<Gah not another one!>>: Amazing how we can attract all these people from an imaginary place.
<<I'm thinking of the piece of artillery>>: So's he.
<>: I prefer Run Runaway.
<<so wishy-washy that everything every idiot says has an effect on your beliefs>>: And that would be this post's potshot, no?
<>: I varied between Hitchcock, boxes, and modular octahedrons, using the extra strips for ties.
<>: Should have gone into packaging engineering.
<<I'd say "neener neener I don't have physics anymore">>: The rest of your life is physics. So's mine, but it'll have gone through enough permutations that it isn't recognizeable.
<<Maybe we should rename this place>>: I think a subtitle would be preferable.
<>: Actually, that was a typo. Should have been getHead.
<<its better to completely remove the variable from the program>>: True, but that takes more time.
<<Are you surprised that I know who that is?>>: No, but I would have been surprised if you could have given his first name without looking it up.
<<Huh?>>: See the archives at themedium.net. The most recent cover was a literal interpretation of "Jesus $!@#ing Christ".
<>: You are not, but you share many linguistic aspects with it.
<<No thanks>>: Your loss, then.
<>: Right, but there are many non-men here. And I believe Wilek himself would protest.
<<Or be useful?>>: For some things, but its base would block many avenues of approach.
<<My mom grounded me once, does that count?>>: As long as you promise never to go into EE.

Gunjack> <<2 AM to turn the net back on... And now, the CR's doing that whole deform-sideways-into-jagged-scrawls-of-demon-scrip thing>>: It's hapening that early?

Ch'Tah> <>: As did I, until I found a listing of all the references.

Fire Storm> <<how to make input from a hardware device get converted into a mathmatical equasion>>: I'll probably know that by the end of Linear Systems and Signals.
<<Got a web address for him?>>: I was first intruduced to his works at animeuncut, but he has his own domain (sirkowski.com), and another artist would be Zodiac at jcandz.com. Remember, you asked for it.
<<the problem with Sex Kitten is that I can't use AngeWoman at the same time>>: Why could you not have a nondestined pair take on AngeWoman?
<<For food... Well, thats a totally different matter>>: You prefer your meat... unseasoned?
<<Unless the puppy was stuffed>>: And lit on fire. Whoops, there goes my homonecropyrobestialiacophobia.

CtB> Best of luck with any further car woes.

DPH> <<They frequently attack CR dwellers>>: No, they menace everyone. We just decide to vent every now and then.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, October 7, 2001 03:26:10 AM
IP: wc02-hill012-hill.rutgers.edu

Entity> THE most profound book I heave ever read would have to be (and I sat and thought about this for a long time, too) I AND THOU by the jewish existentialist Rabbi Martin Buber. Very hard to read, but I was left astonished!
In fiction, I would have to say Les Miserables or the Sound and the Fury.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, October 7, 2001 02:03:14 AM
IP: dynamic-129-120-245-135.dynamic.unt.edu

Lain - I got Yahoo, but the ^#@!@% thing won't initialize. ; P ...Here's to hopin' it pulls through soon.
Gunjack Valentine
Saturday, October 6, 2001 11:23:15 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

It's time to end Power Rangers!!

Imzadi - if the TGS CR gets filled with too much logic, the universe will self-destruct. Do you understand why typing 1+1=2 is almost forbidden around here?

Ch'Tah Tyger - I don't think you were introduced to all the CR villains: there's DC (DisConnect), Otto Mobile, NetLag, DisHarmony (luckily she hasn't been around much lately). They frequently attack CR dwellers.

**Unofficial TD status report**
Timedancer is the cycle that will not end
It will go and on, my friend
TGS staff started working on it, not knowing what it was
They will keeping working on it forever just because
[Repeat]
**end Unofficial TD status report**

It's an enormous microscopic world.
DPH - [dph_of_rules@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Saturday, October 6, 2001 11:13:29 PM
IP: max1-65.cwy.cei.net

I need a life.. and a new computer.... GRRRRRRRR

I will live. ::huggles everyone who needs it::

Green Baron: <<Well, I wouldn't take the movie Dogma seriously. God is neither male nor female. Same with the angels.>> Ahh... well... i didn't, but i DO believe that God is male, and as I'm an Angel (by definition, messenger f God) and i'm DEFINITELY femlae I'll have to argue that one ;)

Josh: <<(you and my BF would get along) Yet oddly, you and I don't. I wonder what that means.>>you're too mucvh like I used tyo be.. it anoys me a lot of times? <<No, just in no particular mood to get flamed by you.>> Aww where's the fun without that ;) (j/k) <<Lets just say it involves certain biological cycles and the desire to backstab people you supposedly love.>> That's just morenal females... you'd think that a God would be able to improve on that... <<They're just jealous.>> Thant's what my mom said about my nbrother... and it never stopped it from getting to me :( <<es! Now, when the blood of two canadians is spilled...no, wait, wrong movie.>> ::grins:: kute

Aingeal
Saturday, October 6, 2001 10:49:42 PM
IP: acaeab26.ipt.aol.com

Score's tied on the 5 on 3 ... off of a Michigan stick. :)
Coyote the Bando
Saturday, October 6, 2001 09:24:39 PM
IP: 64.243.208.132.i-is.com

Well, I finally saw the season premiere of "Buffy". (It airs on Saturday over here in St. Louis, due to complicated matters such as St. Louis not having a UPN affiliate so it has to air on a different station).

* BUFFY SPOILERS *

I quite enjoyed this one. I was sorry to see Giles go, but at least the Scooby Gang gave him a good send-off (I liked their little sign with the balloons on it, in particular). And I don't blame Anthony Stewart Head for wanting to spend more time in England; I'm an anglophile myself (I spent a lot of my boyhood in England, in fact), and I'd like to move over there someday.

(One note: did the Scoobies have to mention that canard about English food being terrible? I know from personal experience that their food isn't all that bad - in particular, the sausages that they have in England are delicious).

The Buffybot continues to be quite amusing (and a real embarrassment to Buffy's memory as well).

Buffy's return from the grave was downright creepy, but I thought that it was effectively done (especially her interaction with Dawn at the end). As for the snake coming out of Willow's mouth - well, that was alarming, but the scene that really shocked me was the part where she killed the fawn. Even given the fact that it was to bring Buffy back from the dead, I still felt horrified by it.

I'm looking forward to how they handle the new "returned from the dead" Buffy in next week's episode.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, October 6, 2001 09:08:28 PM
IP: sdn-ar-001mosloup211.dialsprint.net

Yes, but *my* guys are up on facewashes. *And* there's one period to go, Siofra dear. ;)
Coyote the Bando
Saturday, October 6, 2001 09:06:14 PM
IP: 64.243.208.132.i-is.com

*sigh*
That was supposed to be a ' ;) '

Siofra
Saturday, October 6, 2001 08:52:25 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Coyote: And now WE'RE up one ;

GO BLUE!!!
Siofra - [siofra7@hotmail.com]
ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN
Saturday, October 6, 2001 08:50:42 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

Oh, I forgot: thanks to everyone for the warm welcome I've received since my first post. It makes me feel like part of the family. :)
Ch'Tah Tyger - [cwtyger@lionking.org]
Revelstoke, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, October 6, 2001 08:32:39 PM
IP: 64.114.2.11

<Begins grooming his fur.> My sister is insane!

~~~
Jan: {just please don�t tell me that you have the same opinion of how we deserved the attack.} Okay, I won't. :)

Actually, I don't believe that anyone deserves to be attacked. Not the United States, not Canada, not anyone. And to be attacked like you were? That's the worst way to be attacked, other than getting a knife in your back, or a bullet in your head, when you sleep. I don't care how good or evil the person is, no one deserves to be murdered.

Fire Storm: {Na... just the real animal lovers.
Unless the puppy was stuffed.} Actually, not all furry fans are into just plushies (and most aren't "into" plushies like Vanity Fair wants you to believe). Many others like drawing anthropomorphic animals, and some of us also like writing about them. "Gargoyles" does count in some furry fans minds as furry fiction, espeically when the mutates and/or were-cheetahs show up.

Coyote the Bando: Sounds like you had a rough week. Ugh, I'd hate to be in your shoes right now! :)

Mooncat: (First of all, to Fire Storm: Mooncat's image would count as furry art.) {My tummy is burning!!!} Jalapena! Are you sure you didn't overdo it a little? ;)

Anyway, supper's almost up, so I'd better go (and make sure there's no jalapena peppers nearby!) ;)
Ch'Tah Tyger - [cwtyger@lionking.org]
Revelstoke, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, October 6, 2001 08:30:25 PM
IP: 64.114.2.11

Oooo...

My tummy hurts!

I just ate at a Chinese Buffet, and for the first time tried a dish LOADED with jalapena peppers... I usually only eat them when I have Nachos.

Ooooo...

My tummy is burning!!!

All that and I missed the top ten too... sigh.

Back to writing.
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, October 6, 2001 07:46:25 PM
IP: wks-65-30-27-68.kscable.com

Whew ... long week ... finally over ...

Haven't been here for a week or so, mainly because I've been trying to survive quite possibly *the* SUCKIEST week known to man.

Let's recap ... just for the hell of it ...

Sunday: Got a speeding ticket from a hot-to-trot local cop who was trying to meet his quota and decided, "Hey, he's got a performance-sounding exhaust, let's fabricate some speed figures and scare the bejeezus out of him!" (Ticket is total BS, but I'm gonna pay it anyway because I don't have the time to fight it. There goes my insurance rates. **groan**)

Monday: Doing the weekly inventory, this time at a store on the outer ridges of Detroit. Big mistake. Some jerkwad walked past my car and said to himself, "Hey, that guy's got a really nice radio! He won't miss it."
Broke the vent window on the rear driver door to unlock it. Then figured out that said door didn't work, and proceeded to bash in the *driver's door window," open the lock, open the door, SHRED the center console with a crowbar, and made off with my $160 Pioneer CD player.
At least the store paid for the glass repairs ... which were a helluva lot more than the radio was worth. (A little over $150 for *each* window, because of the age of the Caddy)

Tuesday: Rolled down the window to order breakfast from a drive thru ... and the new window comes off the rollers. So I take it to another franchise outlet of the place that repaired the window. They tell me to leave it overnight.

Wednesday: I get the car back with no service having been done. They *claim* that they are "unable" to do the work. They tell me to take it back to the outlet that I had the work done. Easier said than done ... the outlet I had the workd done at is *50 MILES AWAY.*

Thursday: Actually a pretty okay day. Let's skip Thursday.

Friday: Nearly lose every bit of cool I've collected over YEARS of control when one customer *REFUSES* to believe that the GAS STATION that he had check out his alternator was trying to scam him into buying parts. Oh no, that couldn't POSSIBLY be right ... it could only be the ASE-certified guy at the *parts store* trying to swindle him. **rolls eyes** After he left, I asked if I could get my car and run his ass over.

Saturday: Not over yet, but it seems to be okay. As I write this, a period's almost three quarters of the way done in the "Cold War," and MSU is up a goal on Michigan. ("Cold War" = record-setting hockey game being played outdoors in Spartan Stadium on MSU's campus, record-setting because it breaks a 46-year-old attendance record for a hockey game set by a World Championships game between Sweden and the Soviet Union. 72,500 screaming fans are currently bundled up in 50 degree weather watching an ICE HOCKEY GAME. Big fun. :)

So basically, that's what I've been up to.

Fire Storm: I would echo XenaTrek's request that you drop me a line with your new e-mail. I tried sending my new snail addy to you a few weeks ago and got bounced.

XenaTrek: Congratulations. **hugs** Way to go, girl.

Ravyn: **huggles tightly** Haven't thanked you properly here ... thank you soo much for all the good wishes on my birthday. **big kiss** :)

All for me.
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, October 6, 2001 07:44:15 PM
IP: 64.243.214.156

Lynati: OH MY GOD! You killed DC!
...
Cool! ;)
<*Blood runs in little red rivulets from beneath the curtains, staining the hem a muddy vermillion*>
"REAPER!" FS calls to the darkness, from which stepps forth a tall being with skeletal hands , his shreaded robe completely covering his face, and carrying a large sycle.
FS points to DC's remians.
"His soul is yours to do with as you please. Make it... unplesant."
Reaper nods and moves towards DC. Everyone's soul in the room could hear the pained screams of DC as the night wears on.

Not much going on here. Just 70% finished with a 10 hour shift and trying to figure out how to make input from a hardware device get converted into a mathmatical equasion and display on a web page with C++
Well, thats the idea, anyway. I am just generally bored as f$&%, having done half of my work for the day 10 minutes ago.
If this job didn't pay me, it would really suck.

WEll, on the good side, I made a first draft of my submission to Avalon Mists, "The Quickening"

Hmm... Quicken? Gargoyles balencing checkbooks... Na... Not gonna do it.

Gside: <True, but he just stands out to me>
Got a web address for him?
<You question the power of cheese?>
Never! I behold the power of cheese!
<Well, I can understand the steak thing>
One hath not yet lived unless ye hath tasted the seared flesh of the bovine!
<Aw. And I think it would work out so well>
Thats the problem. It works WAY too well!
But the problem with Sex Kitten is that I can't use AngeWoman at the same time!

Imzadi: 
I have SCSI cards and I have no trouble whatsoever sleeping!
<Now if only we could convince all the HUMANS of that>
One would have better luck convincing Hudson that everything needs a name
<Ah, good plan. Saved a bunch of money off a TV that way>
And VCRs, camcorders, digital cameras, printers, other laptops, scanners...
Damn... I bought WAY too much when I worked at Office Depot.
<We calls those iBooks. Or clamshells. The new ones are usually called "freaking beautiful">
Wrap a Dell in Titanium and I would say the same thing.
<If you're really just getting it to run Linux, why bother? The only reason to buy a mac is to have the Mac OS. Or nowadays, OS X. Which is a full UNIX. You could install linux anywhere>
Linux/Unix is for another PC. As for the laptop, once I up the ram (IMMEDIATELY), I would install OS X.
BTW... where can I find out the stats on the iBook once I find out the model number?
<Actually, its PCMCIA in a laptop, or PCI Card in a desktop. Period>
Actually, PCMCIA and PCCARD is the same on a laptop. PCI Card is completely different...
Although, they do have PCI CArds that have PCMCIA slots on them...
<Virgins are highly overrated>
For sex, I agree.
For food... Well, thats a totally different matter.

Ch'Tah Tyger: <Furry fans would love this discussion!>
Na... just the real animal lovers.
Unless the puppy was stuffed.
Fire Storm
Saturday, October 6, 2001 07:12:52 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

*Burst into the CR violently, eye blazing a murderous red*

DisConnect...you bastard...you absolute BASTARD!!!
THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD TO TALK TO LAIN IN FOREVER!
SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
*raises Nemesis's favorite blade, Sasha, with one hand, grabs DC with the other, and drags him back behind the fabric gate*
..
..
*LOUD shriekings and the sound of multi-lingual curses can be heard as Lynati vents*
..
..
*Blood runs in little red rivulets from beneath the curtains, staining the hem a muddy vermillion*
Lynati "maybe you can keep me from ever being happy, but your not going to stop me from having fun" Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 6, 2001 06:49:47 PM
IP: 207.94.232.83

Hey all. Not much going on around here, but I got my first college test scores back. I made 2 As and 2 Cs. So at least I'm passing. We're losing in football right now to OU and I guess that's all.
SOROW
Saturday, October 6, 2001 06:36:50 PM
IP: resnet-38-151.dorm.utexas.edu

Metaldemon> Yes! You kick ass. I too liked "The Plague" more than "The Stranger." I loved the message, as well as all of the characters. I might go so far as to rank it as the 2nd most profound book I've read (the 1st being, hands down, "1984").

"The Stranger" left me on the wayside as far as what it was trying to say, just like you. I understood the individual observations made, but not their sum.
Entity
Saturday, October 6, 2001 06:03:17 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Josh> ummmm no. I�m not a dweeb, thankyouverymuch.
Sorry that you are so swamped with classes, homework, and mid-terms. I remember the days and do not look back on them with fond memories.
The Bear, God and the Atheist� yes, that was a joke. Nothing implied � it�s just a joke. *shrugs* I thought it was funny and since there was a discussion concerning religious beliefs� oh well, nevermind.

Christine> I would love to help out if you need info on police procedures! Email me anytime you have a question and I�ll ask the officers for the answers : )
I haven�t had any interesting calls such as the one you have made.. I get the people calling and asking if we can send a deputy out to shoot a coyote or something like that. What fun it is to live in a rural area ;)
Full moon� my cousin is a nursing home administrator and I had just received an email from her when you posted this comment� she too talked of it being a full moon because they were having problems with their mental patients! *L* I remember in school the kids being even more wackier than usual and we�d all say, �it must be a full moon again� and sure enough, it would be! Weird how that effects some people, huh?

Ravyn> *L* origami ducks?? I mastered the art of sleeping thru inservices while appearing to look awake ;)

It was the day of loonies yesterday�.

The cleaning lady at a bank claims that there was a security guard in the basement of the bank� she said that he helped her carry out the trash, etc. However, when she left a note for the bank president about letting her know that there would be another person in the bank during the closed hours, please let her know because it scared her when she encountered the security guard. The bank didn�t hire a security guard. So, they pulled the security film, called the alarm company to find out when and who turned off the alarm, and checked for the times�. The gal said that she arrived at the bank at 4:30am, but the film shows her entering at 6:15am and the alarm company says that the alarm was turned off by her (it�s all coded) at 6:15am � she claimed the alarm was turned off when she arrived� and there is no other person on the film besides herself. Nothing was stolen and the only thing that is really weird is her claim of a security officer being there at the bank when there wasn�t anyone else there. The sheriff questioned her at length and during this time she continued to lie about the times. She also told him that she had been a deputy officer in Texas. She couldn�t remember the county and then said she only worked there for one week. Ummm, ooohhkkaaayyy In the meantime, her husband � who has been a frequent guest at our jail, was nervously pacing the lobby.

Then we had the �he said, she said� couple that has been in and out of the office all week. She finally had an ex parte against him and when it was served, he decided to have one filed against her. He claimed that he has not called her or harassed her� he wasn�t aware that we now have caller ID in the area. The police saw her caller ID log of 17 phone calls made to her from 5am � 5:30am that morning. He was doing some back peddling on his �I have NOT been calling her!� lie. *L* He�s pissed at her because she mailed his food stamp card back to the state welfare agency� she said that he was being fraudulent on his reporting of income and she turned him in. What a way to spend a life�.

Had an elderly man come in that was very irate. The Chinese man who owns the Chinese Food place has been flying a Visa and Mastercard advertisement flag underneath the American flag on the same pole�. The elderly man was going to remove the flag on his own. He came in to �warn� the police of his actions. I did notice that the flags were down later that evening. ;)

Ch'Tah Tyger <> I agree *nods* I imagine that the number of Christians who became even better Christians were high too. I know that the churches were reporting record-breaking attendance the Sundays following the attack. Some were saying that they had more in attendance that following Sunday then they do on Easter or Christmas.
BTW, Welcome to the CR =) being Canadian�.just please don�t tell me that you have the same opinion of how we deserved the attack.

Tim> <<Then we return "her" to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban.>> *LOL* That would definitely be justice!!

Lynati> *L* Your bear joke is funny! :D I haven't heard that one before.

Stephen> argh! A $60 error on your drawer is a biggie. O.o I�m glad that your boss didn�t fire you over it, though =)
Congrats on the possible publishing of a story! Wow!

I went to a craft show this morning. Bought a few things for my house� a beautiful mirror that has been hand painted with roses in the corners. I also bought some Christmas decorations for my front porch. I was going to see if I could find some Christmas presents, but ended up buying things for myself ;)

Jan
Saturday, October 6, 2001 05:30:17 PM
IP: modem18-125.mo-net.com

Entity> Defintaley THE PLAGUE! It had the most positive message, IMO: to keep going and fighting and living, even when the situation is absurd and hopeless. Camus ,in his later years, definately had a passion, respect, and love for life, despite it's "absurdity." I actually got to lecture on this and other existential books for half an hour in front of ten or more poeple.
I need to re-read THE STRANGER. I understood the plot, just not what he was trying to say. I know it's nihilistic in nature, but that's about it.
I want to learn French just read his stuff in its orignal language. Funny thing is, is that Camus refuted the label of Existentialist; he even wrote an esaay saying how he wasn't an existentialist. :)
Which do you like?
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Saturday, October 6, 2001 05:29:04 PM
IP: dynamic-129-120-245-135.dynamic.unt.edu

Argh! Nevermind ;)
Niamhgold
Saturday, October 6, 2001 05:21:46 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Shoot! Just missed it!

Back to homework!
Siofra
Saturday, October 6, 2001 05:11:01 PM
IP: bursley-216-244.reshall.umich.edu

10!
Josh
Saturday, October 6, 2001 04:50:22 PM
IP: adsl-64-173-20-130.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net

Metaldemon> Thanks for the recommendation. Which did you like better, out of curiosity, The Stranger or The Plague?

Hopefully 9th!
Entity
Saturday, October 6, 2001 04:49:43 PM
IP: dhcp112-186.onu.edu

Wowie! A top 10 position once again!
Fire Storm
Saturday, October 6, 2001 04:44:48 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

yippee! 6th!!
Jannie & Denis
Saturday, October 6, 2001 04:40:36 PM
IP: modem18-125.mo-net.com

entity> I read that story, too. It's called "The Guest"; but it is part of a collection called EXILE AND THE KINGDOM. I read THE PLAGUE, too, along with THE STRANGER for this class called Independant Study Mentorship (basically, you study whatever you want,make up your curriculum, and get a mentor in th field to help you), and I chose to study existentialism. I also read Sartre; didn't read Being and Nothingness (my teacher persuaded me not to, and I see why:}), but I did read No Exit.
If you ever get a chance, read THE CASTLE by Franz Kafka. The book literally stops in mid-sentence since he died before he finished it; VERY anoying, but worth it. Don't get the Muir translation since they tampered with the order, there's a newer one that I read.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Saturday, October 6, 2001 04:19:27 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Top 10?
Wilek
Saturday, October 6, 2001 03:52:11 PM
IP: host130.the-cloak.com

*in*
Should be fourth.
Lynati Kshudra
Saturday, October 6, 2001 03:49:53 PM
IP: 205.184.255.80

third
metaldemon
Saturday, October 6, 2001 03:19:04 PM
IP: jpi2-075.dfw.tx.bbnow.net

Second!
Ch'Tah Tyger - [cwtyger@lionking.org]
Revelstoke, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, October 6, 2001 03:16:09 PM
IP: 64.114.2.11

First?
Gunjack "Fuddrucker" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Saturday, October 6, 2001 03:13:03 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4