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The best good use for leftover turkey is turkey salad. Turkey salad with a goodly amount of dark meat is much better than any wimpy turkey salad you get from a deli.

-- Was trying to stay up long enough to get a topten -- doesnt look like it now.
silvadel
Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:48:05 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

#1 thing I was thankfull for this thanksgiving: I didn't have to go to anyone elses house and I got to make the dinner myself!

Lord of the Rings: Every time I hear the Janice Joplin song Alice, I think of LotR.
1 ring makes you happy,
1 ring controls them all
And the one that Gandolf gives you doesn’t do anything at all...
:)

*** Buffy Spoilers ***

NO DANG IT! Buffy and Spike should NOT get together!
So Buffy came back wrong. Maybe she is an Angel.

I think that at the end of this season, Willow should be turned into a rat and kept in a cage by Tara.

*** END SPOILERS! ***

SJ: <How the hell do you make Batman seem SO gay?>
The Ambiguously Gay Duo?

Patrick Toman: <offending people with my carefree dismisal of their pop icons>
Thou shall not offend Britney Spears! (THEY WERE GROWTH SPURTS!... just a few cup sizes! ;)

DPH: <The only problems is making the nanites DNA specific and mass producing them>
Mass production is easy. Have them replicate. But DNA specific is the hard part. I mean, they can only have so much storage space on them.

Na. Just the death penalty.

Gside: <Oh well. And I messed up the command. rm -r />
I tried that, but unfortunately they didn't give me super user authority.
<Is that what they're calling it nowadays?>
Yup. That's what I call it and thats what it is!
<So the waveform has been shifted vertically. It's not that hard to get it back.>
I know. I am just more concerned with power supply noise. Yeah, I know that the power is probally already baby smooth, but it is just something I think about.
<Or, depending on your tastes, do both. Though dragons must be relatively small.>
'Geez, for a 40 foot dragon, you would think that it won't be too hard for you to have at least 4 inches!'
And...
Elisa: "I'm sorry. It's just that... Well, with a name like Goliath, I just thought..."
<Ah. Interesting how it moved into a discussion of OCD>
What, you expect that place to stay on topic?
<Thank you>
Your welcome. And the returning members get to lick it off.

Imzadi: <You dictator you>
Damn straight! :)
<Only as silly as the thought of me commanding an army>
Very true. As long as you don't let Starcraft control your actions.
"ZERG RUSH!"
<Actually, they only work on PC with a special graphics card with ADC ports...and I think that card is a few hundred dollars, making it a 3000 monitor for you>
The card is cheap. And LCD monitors for PC's are dropping so fast that 16x9 17" monitors should be near $1200 by Valentines day.
< Well, I've never seen one of these monitors screw up, nor have I seen any problems with bus-powered burners or hard drive>
I know. I just always think that it's hard (or too costly) for companies to make 'clean' power supplies.
<True, but how do you remember them?>
I write them down.
<Now THAT would be funny: "Timedancer is on haitus as of Jan 1, 1904">
Timedancer will start in 65535 days
<Or the beowulf cluster of G4's I haven't built yet>
I so have to figure out how to make CPUs.
<Those could be the same thing...>
But I don't want to eat what I've been in!
<Now THAT I can't wait to see>
Now THAT gathering video would sell alot of copies!
<Maybe she could use me for sex instead?>
Buffy does Berkley

Warpmind: <Dude, you oughtta look up an old puzzle game called "Sexy Droids"...>
I used to have alot of pics of women in ASCII.

Got a Japanese sex slang definition chart?
And I want to know! I ph34r not!

Shadowrider: <Yes, and I think it is right what they do indeed.>
If you distribute it on more than 1024 machines, it may be faster than a Cray.

Jan: <Geesh, did ya’ll know that it has lye in it??>
I didn't know the EXACT ingredients, but I know I most likely have the chemicals at home. Why don't you tell us exactly whats in it and how to make it, hmm? ;)
<However, they have taken Sudafed off the counters and you have to ask the pharmacy for them and you’re limited to how many boxes you can buy at one time>
Because of the decongestant, the pain reliever or the buffer ingredients?
You know... you probally have the most interesting work stories of anyone in here.
BTW... You wouldn't happen to know how much it is for 40 acres in your county, would you? Just curious and comparing the prices around the country.

Niamhgold: <No, thanks. I've got turkey and leftovers to sustain me (and mom's desserts), and I'm too busy to cook a big lovely meal at school>
Your loss! Steamed door-to-door Jehovah Witnesses can be a nice meal for a few days!
<:: And at that point the magic eight ball proves itself to actually be a grenade, and explodes ::>
I think that's what Greg Weisman has on his desk.

Christine: <still five days left to send in submissions for the next issue! Don't delay, contribute today!>
No porn, no extreme violence...
Man... and I wanted to submit something too! ;)

NukesGoBoom: <wow. the timedancer story "requiem" was an awesome episode. Incredible>
Check the fanfic archive. The author of that story also wrote a VERY good piece of work on what happened if the end of Hunters Moon 3 didn't turn out so good.

Shadowrider: <Just ten years ago died in his house of Kensington Freddy Mercury, leader of the pop band Queen>
CNN said he died in 1987. Silly, eh? I thought he died in 1992, not 91.
Queen music makes up a good portion of the music on my laptop (Named Laptop)
I think most people in here at least know of some music he made. Especially if they watched Highlander. Or went to a sporting event. Or saw Waynes World. Or listened to Vanilla Ice.
Because of Queen I kinda laughed in City of Stone ("Another human bites the dust") because I was reminded of a Queen song.
CNN reported that alot of stuff in history happened today.
Fire Storm
Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:48:03 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Christine> <<my great-aunt Erdine (yes, that's her real name>>: I can beat that. Vermadel. Se was named for the home states of her family: Vermont, Maine, and Delaware.
<<her house, before she had to go into a nursing home, had paths carved amid the boxes>>: Sounds like what we'll have to deal with wehn my mother's next relative goes.

Imzadi> <<Well, it SHOULD be served on a person>>: I wasn't saying it shouldn't, just that I didn't think anyone had.
<<Fascinating>>: Quite. I thnk clipping flame wars pop up every now and then in the Sexy Losers forum.

Spacebabie> <<That would be the demon Tai Po>>: Is he from the Bayankalan mountains in the Xing Hai province of china?

DPH> <<That way there isn't much leftovers>>: But many people adore the leftovers. Mmm, cold turkey sandwitch...

Na zdorova'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:28:07 PM
IP: 24.4.252.72

Of course like many of my pearls of wisdom, it will scroll off to a new board in like 10 minutes anyway... I always seem to post on boards on the bottom of a page or the end of a comment room.
silvadel
Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:10:27 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Well one interesting thing about time -- If you take everyone living on the planet right now at their current ages, you get a number of about 100 billion. This is enough for 7 people to have lived from the beginning of time.

Kind of makes the huge scale down a bit doesnt it...

silvadel
Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:01:24 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

I'm not sick of Turket YET. Variety is the spice of life. Why can't neighbors get together and smoke a really big turkey and split amongst themselves? That way there isn't much leftovers.

**RELIGION**
Despite being a good old conservative Southern Baptist, I have been working on an alternate theory of the universe.

There is an infinite location where there is no time. God resides there and from that location, all our history has occurred. This being created an alternate universe to our own where time runs at a faster rate and placed angels there. This being sent angels to adjust history for our benefit. This God denied access to looking at the future to try to prevent a rebellion. That resulted in one angel rebelling and bringing other angels with him. That angel and his followers were thrown out of that universe into our own. Yes, it's a freaky theory, but I haven't nailed all the details down.
**END RELIGION**

Odds are against this post making the TOP 10 and against me being awake for the TOP 10.

NukesGoBoom - <does anyone know if the tgs stories are gonna continue in constant time or skip a few years here and there? like, will we see graeme and ariana get mates (if they do get them at all)? or will we have to wait a while?> Only TGS staffers know the answers to that question, but can't answer it without giving away spoilers. Why bother asking a question if you know you can't get the answer?

Jan - I'm a sound sleeper. I have jokingly said that a robber could kill me in my sleep.

Todd - <DPH - Sorry, but you'll have to work out for yourself where the HP reference is in TGS. All that I'm saying is what I said before; it's somewhere in Season Three. And that's the only clue that I'm giving out. After all, it would take all the fun out of it if I were to simply tell you.> Raise your hand if you are interested in the answer to your question because frankly I don't believe that many people are.

Imzadi - <<<When it does become illegal, I'll continuily join lots of class-action lawsuits until I stop receiving spam>>: I'll just report the bastards to the police.>Big difference in outcomes: I'll make $$$,$$$.$$ off the lawsuits while you won't get any.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, November 24, 2001 10:19:54 PM
IP: 204.94.193.11

Todd: Actually, I've always had the cat. It's the rotating chair that's the recent aquisition. :: hides the blueprints for the secret underground lair ::

Josh: >> Well, you could just concede that your attempt to punk me was pitiful ;-) << Please don't tempt me to come up with a statement using the words "punk" and "pitiful".

>> <<you do "form of an elephant" and I'll do "form of water" and we'll soak some people good in here>>: How come she has to be the elephant? Are you suggesting that Crzy is fat? <<

Swing and a miss! Nope... sorry... I'm just alluding to the well established Superfriends doctrine on this one. As anyone who ever watched the old cartoon knows, Zan, the male twin, has the power to spontaneously change into any water based form, where Jayna, the female twin, could become any animal. See... a good Puck always does his research. ;)

Harry Potter: I read the other day that they've already got deals signed to make three more movies, and are in negotiation on three more... though the woman who writes the books hasn't even published the fifth yet. Guess she'd better get her rear in gear... so they can film the next six screenplays before that kid hits puberty and goes the way of Macaulay Culkin.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, November 24, 2001 09:39:37 PM
IP: 66.72.203.7

Zerg own u.
NukesGoBoom
Saturday, November 24, 2001 06:19:01 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

Zerg own u.
NukesGoBoom
Saturday, November 24, 2001 06:18:47 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

Who is sick of Turkey? Raise your hand

Saw the Harry Potter Movie last night. It was very good, love the Quiditch match.
DPH<<>> That would be the demon Tai Po. He is malicious at times.

SJ<<<In Angel news, fan-favorite, the good-guy demon Skip, will be making a return to the show in the near future. He's there to tell Cordy exactly what's up with those vision things.>>> Yay Skip is gonna be back.

Josh<<<My brother was telling me that in 30 years I'm going to be jealous of him because he'll be married and have a family and I'll still be single.>>> Looks like our lil brothers ARE very similar.<<>> At least in Shakespeare class they tell you what you miss a half point on.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Saturday, November 24, 2001 04:57:55 PM
IP: 67.25.51.79

Hi to everyone!
Well, I hope everyone of you Americans had a great Thanksgiving!!!

Now, something less happy. Just ten years ago died in his house of Kensington Freddy Mercury, leader of the pop band Queen. I know many of you will not even know him. I know some of you will know him as "That damn gay". I don't care. His music marked my life, I have always admired the incredible expressivity of his voice, and I always liked the way he didn't want to conceal his true nature, but at the same time refused to make a show of it. In this anniversary, I want to remember him.

Now, go on. There's a religiuos debate running, huh? Seems that such things happen cyclically in this CR...anyway, I don't want to make polemics with nobody, just exparessing my POV. I have not a religion, I must premise. I used to be Catholic, but I gradually abandoned that religion as doubts and questions started to crowd my mind. Said this, here are my current views on the topic. Well, I can accept that a Creator exists. The zero-field hypotesis in the theory of electro magnetism by Maxwell implies that a moment before there was nothing, and a moment later there was something...it is a creation, and logic wants that if there's creation there is also a creator. But that is all I feel to assume. Is this creator good? Is it evil? But what those words mean? Ask to every single person on this world what is "good" or "evil" and you will not get two identical answers. If we don't know what is "good" or "evil" for ourselves, how can we hope to apply them to a creature so incommensurably different from us. Even more senseless, for me, is trying to assume what is "the will of God", like practically every religion does. Not only we cannot know what are the intentions of the creator, or eventually if it has intentions, but assuming to know them is dangerous...and history teaches it to us.
About the miracle vs. magic issue, I must make another premise...I really never understood why believers have to point out some "miracle" in support to their faith. What is the need of looking for extraordinary events when the greates of miracles, meaning the harmony of the whole nature, regulated by its infinite laws, surrounds us? Is it perhaps due to a feeling of guilt for the violations that mankind has done and still does to this perfect mechanism?
Now, premises over, I must say that I don't copy the "made in the name of God" distinction. Like Josh said, the value of an action is changed by the fact that I did it in the name of my god, however I call it? Before saying "yes", please think to where it leads this path if taken to its extreme consequences. I could eventually point out that many of the so-called miracles very often reveal, upon further investigations, due to perfectly explanable reasons. For those few events that remain unexplicable, I tend to consider them simply as expressions of forces and laws of nature we still fail to understand. I think that, if the path of science will not be stopped, we will someday be able to explain everything in a scientific way. Afet all, one thousand years ago, lightning bolts were considered supernatural events, while now we know exactly how they are caused. Like I said above, the miracle is not any particular event...the miracle is all the nature and its forces.
Sacred books. Well, here the issue is simple for me. What many people fail to remember (I think someone already pointed it out...) is that the Bible, the Coran and all the other sacred books were written by human hands, and so it is at least possible that those who wrote them down modified their contents so to make it match with their personal beliefs. And, furthermore, there are evidences that many sacred texts were modified several times in their history, so to adapt to moral beliefs and political situations of the time. And this leads me to religions, that base themselves on those texts. Well, I already expressed my POV on this sometimes, but I will do it again. History tells us that religions were often used (and sometimes are still used) as a mere excuse for the worst atrocities. Genocides, persecutions...many of these were supported, if not promoted, by religious authorities. Catholicism is the religion with the greatest number of crimes in its history, but I suspect it is just before it is one of the most ancient ones. (Hebraism makes no comparation in this field, mainly due to the historical events involving its believers). For this reason, and for the reasons I expressed above, I tend to distrust everyone pretending to know or to carry on the will of any god. About choosing myself any of the myriad of deities that humanity, in its arrogance, created in its own image...well, I really don't see the point.
Ok, finish of the religious stuff.

On another topic. I have seen many people postin in their top-tens things like "Osama bin Laden is dying in a week" or so. Well, I really hope that he will be made inoffensive in such a short time (although I strongly suspect that killing him could cause much more damage in the long term than leaving him alive...), but don't you think it is a little like selling out the skin of a bear that still has to be killed? For me, I won't celebrate the victory as long as it won't be obtained.

Ok, this is over as well...replies!

Josh:> <<Typhoon (my tower) and Seawolf (my laptop)>> Hey, interesting names...Typhoon like the nuclear submarine, or Typhoon like the fighter jet?
<< But you see my point I"m sure. >> Yes, yes, I do...
<<StarCraft is definitely available for the mac, I play it all the time. >> Oh-oh, a fellow Starcraft player...En Taro Adun...and may I ask you what is your preferred race and/or units?
<<Sounds like it means Apple has lousy distribution in Italy...>> But here is the strange fact...Macs are quite diffused in Italy. More or less like in the rest of Europe. That is why I cannot explain the price differences.
<> No...but I doubt I will be able to ride my bike on every single road of the world in the spam of my natural life...so, from my limited POV, the roads of the world are a number that can be considered infinite.

Green Baron:> Have you ever noticed how history of religions is a sequence of persecutions? Puritans persecuted Catholics (and Jews), Anglicans persecuted Puritans (mainly for politic matters)(and Jews), Catholics persecuted...hmm...Puritans, Protestants, Anglicans, Pagans, Muslims...(and Jews)...

Niamhgold:> Check your email!

See everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Saturday, November 24, 2001 03:48:42 PM
IP: 213.213.18.1

wow. the timedancer story "requiem" was an awesome episode. incredible.
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Saturday, November 24, 2001 03:08:02 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

Hey everyone, I hope that you weekend is going well. My family and I had a great time. We went to Seattle and toured the whole place, the Farmer's Market and Pioneer Square were my favorites.

Fleur- It's too bad about what happened to your friend. My mother lost a lot of personal items when our house was broken into when I was in high school.

Imzadi- Yeah I know I was a week early but my platoon decided to have our Thanksgiving dinner a week early so I thought what's the harm? It's like everyone wishing a Merry Christmas. :)

Female Brooklyn- I was wondering where you were. I tried e-mailing you after I got back from Basic Training. How are you?

Justice League- Very inventive, I like X-men Evolution better but I'll take both.

Green Baron- I can relate to your problems with the Threatcon.

Well that's all for now. I'm going to be leaving for Ft. Polk so I may not be able to post for a month or so. Take care.

Later.

Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Saturday, November 24, 2001 02:52:24 PM
IP: 152.163.204.59

Josh> I'm not much one for blind faith either. If one is blindly devoted, then that leaves room for ministers to step in and shape the Bible to their view and feed it to the blindly devoted person who will follow it without question. Example: my former roomate is Pentacostle, which is fine by me. However, we had a talk, and he believed that HIS church was THE true church of Jesus since they talk in tongues (which also translates to languages); nevermind the fact that some of their beliefs are contrary to the Gospel. Later on, in an another discussion, I point some inconsistancies, which are avoided by him and never explained or are rebutted by saying, "Well, it says here in the Old Testament..." which means that he is only taught one side of the coin and not the other. Hence, he was taught the opinion of his church, and he blindly accepted despite other evidence from the same book that would contradict his belief.
A better description (so I once heard, too) would be that liberals put people before profit.
GB> My Thanksgiving wasn't that bad. It was actually quite good.
Puritans are the now the Church of Christ. One of my friends is a member of a Church of Christ congregation (though I am not too sure if he likes it) and he toold me that they are the last church of the Puritans. So they're still looming :)
Oh, ever since you posted that article by Harowitz, I've been scouting out Chomsky. Now I am going to by three of his books. To think, I would have no idea who this guy is if you wouldn't have posted that article. :) Oh, and Chomsky has been researching politics for forty years. Just cuz you don't have a degree in Political Science doesn't mean you don't know what your talking about when it comes to politics. The texts and events are open to everyone.
OK, I give in. Here'e my list.
Things I am thankful for:
1. God, Jesus, and Mary.
2. Family and friends.
3. The ability to search for wisdom.
4. Freedom of the individual. (not bussiness mind you)
5. Literature and Philosophy. In general: books.
6. Humanity in general.
7. Life
8. Gargoyles ^_^.
9. Noam Chomsky (hehehe).
10. Hunks :P~~ ~_-
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
houston, tx
Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:13:45 PM
IP: 64.243.70.193

josh- ive watched every episode, ever. i just kina forgot about that :)

does anyone know if the tgs stories are gonna continue in constant time or skip a few years here and there? like, will we see graeme and ariana get mates (if they do get them at all)? or will we have to wait a while?

*goes back to reading timedancer*
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:07:47 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

One other thing with 911 -- when you finally do get it, expect your address to change... They renumbered everyone here when 911 went in...

All in all my address has changed from RD2 Box 220 to RR2 Box 123 to 123 Street Address to (with 911) 251 street address.

Yes we moved into this house in 1979, but things havent grown up that much in this little corner of the world... Although I will say that there have been major changes in the towns around here and several housing developments have gone in thanks to that lousy mount laurel thing. IE there are still farms along one side of the street and only an average of 2-3 houses added per linear mile along this road. We still have wells and septic systems.

The biggest changes have happened to the highway access through the nearest major town. 19 years ago there was almost nothing there -- now it is very built up. 19 years ago the bridge into PA was one lane on rte 22/78, and you had to go around a circle in PA... Now it is all messed up and conjested through there but it is 2 lanes and 78 is a road in itself going across so technically now there are 5 lanes going into pa(2 on 22 3 on 78) whereas there was only 1 before.
silvadel
Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:55:20 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Josh> <<there's always the chance that a pipe gets unblocked by itself. Now, if some guy had walked up to your dad, pointed at his head, and said "I will that hemmorage to disappear!" and then they scanned it and it was gone, THAT would be a miracle/magic. >> ahhhh, but that's the beauty and truth to this particular miracle... it wasn't a blockage, it was a hole in the vessel. The hole was completely healed & sealed. They (his friends) laid hands on him, prayed, and he was healed. X-rays were taken almost immediately - he was having emergency surgery and probably wouldn't have lasted thru the night - the vessel in the back of his head was healed. There was NO trace of the hole, no scar tissue, no weak spots, nothing... it was if it had never happened. There's no scientific explanation for it and there's no room for dumb luck. Only divine intervention explains it.
My friend this summer was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. She was running between 80% and 90%. She received prayer the night before her next visit (she was going weekly at that point in preparation of surgery) When she attended her visit the next morning, the cancer was completely gone. Not a trace anywhere. Not in remission but gone. She continues to be cancer free to this day. You may wish to explain these incidents as dumb luck, but I choose to call them miracles. :) I give credit where credit is due.
<<What if I perform it in service to MY god, who may be different from your god? Is THAT a miracle? >> I don't know... what does _your_ Bible or guide book say about the performance of miracles? ;)

911 services: unfortunately we don't have this here yet. There are plans in the future for it, though. This summer a cafe was robbed and the gals were so scared afterwards, they kept calling 911... we don't have 911. *L* A lot of the rural and smaller towns do not have 911 systems yet. =\ (not just here in Missouri) The system is expensive and then you have to hire the manpower to handle it since it would be separate from the police/sheriff's dispatch. Our dispatch handles ALL of the counties law enforcement calls, including the city police's.

DPH> d'oh! I meant to say Daniel Johnson! argh..sorry about that.
I live in a small town that is about 28 miles north of Rogers, Arkansas. Population is less than what my son's high school was. *L* (2,800) We are the county seat though.
Did you get any of the storms from last night? The tornado sirens were going off here for hours! We were surrounded by tornado activity. I don't know yet if there was any damage anywhere - I'll find out later this morning when I stop by the sheriff's office before leaving for Springfield.
Does your dad inject his turkey with anything? My bestest friend, Mark injects his with some kind of cajun type seasoning before deep frying them... delicious!
I cook my turkeys for at least 12-15 hours - you pick up the drumstick and the meat falls off of it, plus all of it's moist :)

*chuckles* Best skate job award goes to Greg W! ;) It puts him in a difficult position trying to explain his own personal view points of God - especially in these politically correct days. I think he did a good job.

Sorrow> ahhh but let's all remember that some day WE will be the old farts sitting around the dinner table having Thanksgiving dinner with family and friends. ;) Safe journey returning back to school *hugs*

Now it's time to prepare for my day of Christmas shopping in the "big city" of Springfield. *L* They have a Steak&Shake, so life is good there. ;)

The Essence of Compassion:
"Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant with the weak and wrong...because sometime in your life you will have been all of these."
Jan
Saturday, November 24, 2001 08:52:47 AM
IP: 12.110.236.35

CHRISTINE - Read the Harry Potter fic you wrote, and thought that it was pretty good (I was particularly amused by Becca introducing CCGs to Hogwarts).

DPH - Sorry, but you'll have to work out for yourself where the HP reference is in TGS. All that I'm saying is what I said before; it's somewhere in Season Three. And that's the only clue that I'm giving out. After all, it would take all the fun out of it if I were to simply tell you.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 24, 2001 07:39:14 AM
IP: 63.183.39.135

Howdy folks.

Today's bargain I can't live without: a 48 meg CF card for $16. Now, do I actually trust that? Not really.

Got to beta-read one of the Barracuda's new stories today...I love being an editor.

And I finished my fluids assignment.

replies.

Jan: <<until he witnessed this miracle>>: Again, I don't recognize that as a miracle. To me, that's dumb luck, no matter how unlikely that is to happen, there's always the chance that a pipe gets unblocked by itself. Now, if some guy had walked up to your dad, pointed at his head, and said "I will that hemmorage to disappear!" and then they scanned it and it was gone, THAT would be a miracle/magic. In the Bible, the miracles were things that people specifically willed to happen, even if they were helped out by God. Jesus, not prayer, turned rocks into bread or whatever it was. <<The difference between miracles and "magic" is that miracles are performed in honor of God and for the good of God>>: Okay, so no difference. What if I perform it in service to MY god, who may be different from your god? Is THAT a miracle? <<He has limited vocabulary and mainly just grunts when he wants something. Geesh, he sounds like a normal male to me>>: I'm usually more expressive than that. Now, when I want food...then the grunting starts. When its a toy, its more of an "ooh" or "aah". So that's three different words right there! ;-) <<We don't have the 911 system here yet>>: I thought that thing was fairly, uh, everywhere in the US.

Metaldemon: <<"You know I think what we should do," he intomed, "we need to round all the Arabs and Blacks and ship them out or centralize them.">>: Yeah, getting a bunch of rich white guys together rarely yields open-mindedness. Now, as the only opponent of Microsoft at the table...THAT was interesting. <<how liberals made him sick>>: I heard something interesting yesterday: the right things with their head and the left with their heart. <<that guy with the turbine freaked the hell out of me since he had that face on the back of his head>>: You realize, of course, that that is just an evil commentary about how all turban-wearers are really two-faced scheming evil bastards bent on destroying everything. <<Surely science will deflty explain what happpened>>: Hardly, as an engineer, I'll be the first to say that the odds of something like that happening by itself is very small. But as any procrastinator knows, the probability of something, however low, is never EXACTLY zero. These things do happen in the mechanical world, so why not in the biological? <<Ignorance is bliss, right?>>: Yeah. And blind faith is ignorance.

Patrick: <>: Well, you could just concede that your attempt to punk me was pitiful ;-) <<you do "form of an elephant" and I'll do "form of water" and we'll soak some people good in here>>: How come she has to be the elephant? Are you suggesting that Crzy is fat? <<That I don't live in a country that ends in "istan.">>: LOL! <<my plans for world domination may finally be coming to fruition>>: We have too many people trying to do this. Only I can win. <<inspire me to greater heights of Evil>>: Or at least sexual depravity. <>: Really? Cuz you sure act like it sometimes.

Kaioto: <<"magic" can be explaned down to a certain level until you hit the question "why" and have to answer "because.>>: Not always. Its when the FIRST level of explanation is "because" that I start to think twice about your intelligence. <<magic" is no more evil than chemistry class>>: Watch it, you've never seen me in chemistry class ;-) <<'d ask you only to remember not to so casually dismiss it as "fantasy stories" and make-believe>>: I'm not. I'm dismissing it as a set of parables, as stories which have, say, been embellished, but actually do have a root of truth in each of them. I'm also dismissing the ideas that someone else tells me are "learned" from the bible. If someone else tells them to me, then I'm not learning them, am I? <<ask if we've really come so far that we no longer need the lessons of the past to grow from>>: That is never true. We must always look back. The question is, how far back can we reliably look. How far back are historical records accurate. How do we judge who's viewpoints are reliable.

Nukes: <<what are "space spawn"?>>: Go watch the episode "Sentinel". That's WATCH...its not written up anywhere online to my knowledge. <<what exactly are they going to do?>>: If I knew everything about the Garg universe, I'd be Greg Weisman. And Crzy doesn't want to sleep with me THAT badly. <<im using this entire day to read through as much as i can>>: Try absorbing some of it, and then realize that we haven't read any more than you have.

Greg X: <<Particularly an aunt of mine who owes me $300>>: Yeah, my parents are deadbeats too. I think I'm gonna break their legs. <<Humphrey the Hannukah Goblin>>: There's a Hannukah Goblin!? Sweet! <<when he finally gets arrested for breaking and entering and enslaving and abusing all those elves>>: I think he pays them. Also, the North Pole is not technically governed by any country, so minimum wage laws may or may not apply there. And if he's giving millions of toys out every year, I'm sure he can afford to keep his work force comfortably paid, fed, housed, etc. <<Bill Gates is a mere tool in the agenda of Barbara Streisand, Osama bin Laden and my Uncle Claudio>>: No, I don't think so. <<Graeme must save the world by slaying Barbara Streisand>>: Who gets to be the lucky bastard who writes THAT scene!?

Green Baron: <<Your Harry Potter comment sounds exactly like something SJ woudl say>>: Yes, I know. I'm getting good, aren't I? <<though the original celebrants of Thanksgiving would have never allowed it>>: They're dead. <<That no more Puritans are around today>>: Um, yes there are.

Sevarius Jr: <<THE BIGGEST SHOPPING DAY OF THE YEAR>>: Shoot, it was? And here I forgot to go shopping. I think staying in bed till 1230 was a better use of my time. <<a lousy razor scooter>>: You bought that!? What are you, a Berkeley democrat!? <>: And from this we learn: do not be white trash. <<Could he possibly be wrong?>>: Are you sure? <>: I think you could kick his ass by yourself. <<There is a God, and he's a Genndy Tartakovsky fan like I am>>: All Hail Dexter, Boy Genius! <<people are saying that SK sucks, so we should be worried that SW2 will suck too, since they have the same writer>>: I was convinced after they announced that it was called "Attack of the Clones". << with Muppets Galore>>: Don't you dare dis the muppets. <<completely stiff while he had intercourse with her cold inert body>>: I've seen this on Sexy Losers.

Todd: <<some elements of it come more from man than from God>>: For once, I agree with him.

DPH: <<today I get spam dated for the Monday that just passed>>: Sometimes mail gets lost temporarily or skipped or held for no valid reason. <<It's so tender you can cut it with a plastice fork>>: Whoa cool. <>: Neat trick. Gremlins in the CGI script? <<most spam I receive doesn't have my email address in it>>: If its just one email addy, just block anything that DOESN'T have your email addy in the "to" field. If I didn't have four separate POP accounts (actually I think I have more like 10, but I don't check the others). <<When it does become illegal, I'll continuily join lots of class-action lawsuits until I stop receiving spam>>: I'll just report the bastards to the police.

Gside: <<Sadly, I don't believe so>>: Well, it SHOULD be served on a person. <<I've heard that there's a huge difference in the number of clippings here and the number of clippings internationally>>: Fascinating.

Christine: <<buy MORE books>>: Good plan!

Sorow: <<it's always such a chore dealing with the grandparents in my family>>: I know how you feel...but remember that you don't have much time left with them. And you will miss them when they're gone. I had a chance today to drive down and see my dad's parents, but I didn't because I didn't want to, and I probably won't get to see them over winter break, and my grandmother's health isn't too great and for all I know, I'm never gonna see her again if I don't come back home for a while.

Then again...that's technically true for anyone I know.

Sorow again: <>: That's a great game...the drinking version, right? ::has funny images of Sorow drunk::

Terrky: <<my girlfriend>>: You have a girlfriend!? Geez, that's even scarier than me having a girlfriend. Of course, I don't have a girlfriend right now.

And on that helpful note, I'm going to sleep.

The ideal date is someone who parties with you till 4:30 in the morning and then turns into a pizza. - Van Halen
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Saturday, November 24, 2001 03:45:39 AM
IP: 206.170.217.188

-.- aorry for the double post... forgot the link...
Terrky K
Saturday, November 24, 2001 02:43:33 AM
IP: 64.197.199.10

hey everyone! i hope everyone had a great thanxgiving.

my hands kinda hurt. i've been makeing some album reviews. i finally got em done!! so far, i only have Chicago, from CTA allll the way to the soon to be realest Chicago 27! i woudl have posted them here.. eheh, but it is 11 word pages long, 139 paragraphs, and 3,857 words long. i thought i may piss everyone off if i did that. but soon imma goin to do some styx reviews, and REO speedwagon, and AC/DC, and Meat Loaf, and so on... AH! i gots lots to do man!

anyway, had my girlfriend over today... she knows all the fancy HTML stuffs. she's got this webiste. so i was going to post my reviews on there. i even got a Terry Kath tribute page! we updated it today! the reviews aren't up yet, but we'll get em there! i'll link the site!

anyway, see yall around!

-={Terrky}=-

Terrky K - [srs@postmark.net]
Kansas
Saturday, November 24, 2001 02:41:55 AM
IP: 64.197.199.10

Hey all. I'm posting from my dad's computer in Dallas and if you've been trying to send me email, I'm sorry but it's down for some stupid reason. I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I hate Thanksgiving because it's always such a chore dealing with the grandparents in my family. They're so far over the hill and gone that they don't even know where they are most of the time. But at least my mom is a wonderful cook. I went to a football game today and saw all my old high school friends, not ever fun at all you know. And I spent 2 hours playing card games (mostly asshole) with my brother. And I saw the Harry Potter movie, thought it was terrific, read all the books, can't wait til the next one, probably go see it again. Anyway, I'll try back tomorrow and hopefully everything will be working. Later.
SOROW
Saturday, November 24, 2001 02:23:33 AM
IP: 209.254.212.182

Green Baron > now, now, don't forget to give some of the credit to Crzy as is due! ; )

Gside > being a pack-rat runs in both my family and Tim's, though my great-aunt Erdine (yes, that's her real name) probably wins ... her house, before she had to go into a nursing home, had paths carved amid the boxes.

Josh > what'll we do with the books? LOL, probably swap them for credit at the used book store and buy MORE books ...

Jan > eew, I didn't get close enough to the eyeball woman to notice, and now I'm glad!

Update > if anybody's interested in reading a massively long Harry Potter fanfic, it's now posted. An interesting challenge to try and capture the feel and language of the books; feedback would be appreciated! Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/hp_exchange.html

Avalon Mists > still five days left to send in submissions for the next issue! Don't delay, contribute today!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:07:07 AM
IP: 64.24.187.43

Imzadi> <<This isn't served on a person is it>>: Sadly, I don't believe so. Mt. Washington is a New Hampshire mountain, so it is probably just a large heaping of icecream with various topings.
<<Dragons, humans, whatever>>: Quite.
<<No pun intended>>: None at all. I know quite a few soft men, myself included. And in the other interpretation, models probably get beaten if they are too hard, like tenderizing them.
<<What are the percentages?>>: I don't know, but I've heard that there's a huge difference in the number of clippings here and the number of clippings internationally.

Todd> <<I've come across at least one argument that he was one of the Valar>>: According to The Man himself, "And even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally)." -The Letters Of JRR Tolkien, No 144, dated 1954. For more discussion of what he is and probably isn't, see http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, November 23, 2001 11:07:37 PM
IP: 24.4.252.72

Has anyone else been getting spam with a bad date on it? On Monday, I got spam dated for Thanksgiving of this year and today I get spam dated for the Monday that just passed.

When/where is Iron Chef USA on? Frankly, I can't see them doing it without having too many Iron Chefs (IC Southern, IC Northern, IC French, IC Mexican/TexMex, IC Western) unless they stick to purely "American" styles and even then, some group will be left out.

BTW, why do I get the feeling that, aside from skill, the Iron Chefs are given an advantage over the opponents? Unless they tape more than one show a day, I'd almost wager money that the Iron Chefs know what theme ingredient is before the challenger does (the IC acts suprised to keep the pretense up).

Bragging rights: My dad smokes a turkey to the point where the meat comes off the bones naturally. It's so tender you can cut it with a plastice fork.

Jan - <Where is Daniel Hightower?> huh? I'm here. Where is Daniel Johnson? <We don't have the 911 system here yet> Where do you live again?

BTW, where is the Harry Potter reference in TGS?

I swear somebody edits my posts after I hit the submit button to create spelling errors/bad grammar.

Imzadi - Thankfully, most spam I receive doesn't have my email address in it. I only block addresses of a spammer if I receive more than 1 spam from the person. I actually filled up my "Blocked Email Addresses" in yahoo once upon a time and I started to delete some.

It isn't illegal to gather email addresses without consent YET. When it does become illegal, I'll continuily join lots of class-action lawsuits until I stop receiving spam.

Coyote - Lions have lost their games by an average of 4.6 points. I believe the refs should be required to watch replies of anything where points are on the line by a call.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, November 23, 2001 10:43:50 PM
IP: 204.94.193.28

Ok people, for the record, here's the question with the answers that go over Greg's views on the Bible. Take them for what you will, but no where does Greg use the word drivel.

Hey Greg, I have some religious questions for you.

1. Since you are seemingly very well versed in religious doctrine, I'm curious as to how you feel about the Judeo/Christian scriptures that prohibit wizardry. Deuteronomy 18:9-18:12 (Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord) makes it quite clear that God brooks no wizards in his fold. Is there a conflict for you since so much of the myth Gargoyles is based on revolves around magic?

2. What about the uncanny resemblance between gargoyles and demons? Why do the two look so much alike? Did dybbuks manifest themselves in the form of gargoyles in order to sow discord with humanity, hence the current demonic stereotype and poor human/garg relations?

3. How do the Fae feel about the whole God business? They seem a rather worldly lot, though some might be old enough to remember biblical events.

4. Why is Percy still using the grail? The Holy Grail is a sacred artifact, not your run-of-the-mill magical maguffin. Why would it continue to grant its power to Duval, who has since proved unworthy? I know you said it was costing him a high physical price but I find it odd that it should be giving him any kind of benefits at all (Anybody see what happened to the bad guy in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?).

5. Last one. Is the Judeo/Christian God the supreme ruler of the Gargoyle universe? Given the plethora of Gods and Goddess on the show, I’m just wondering what your views on this are (I prefer to think that He’s the one in charge, but I had to ask).

Thanks for your time, as always. Now I must return to the Vole Wars…

Greg responds...

1. I'm clearly less "versed" than you seem to think. I won't comment on your citation in a vacuum. And I don't have a bible here in the office to check the context.

When you ask if I'm conflicted, I'm not clear on your question. Are you looking for my opinion on the bible? Personally, I think the bible is an astounding piece of literature with much to teach us. But I see the hands of man all over that book. And although it might lose me some fans, I cannot believe that God authored it. Inspired it maybe, but authored it, no. At any rate, I think many things in the bible are subject to interpretation. Often multiple interpretations.

2. Where do you get the idea that there is ANY resemblance between gargoyles and demons? From Medieval painters? Look, we haven't seen any demons in the series. We haven't seen any demons in the gargoyles universe. No angels either. I'm not saying whether they exist or not. But you're question assumes facts not in evidence.

3. The whole God with a capital G business? Like humans, every Child of Oberon is different. I try not to make monolithic generalizations.

4. Assumes facts not in evidence. A. Who says he's still using the grail? I said he still had it. B. And in any case, your question asked "Why". Why wouldn't he if he could? C. Who said the grail can "grant" power? D. If it can, who said it is? E. Who said Duval has proven unworthy?

And I certainly refuse to use "Last Crusade" as an authority.

I will say that the Grail is part of the reason that Percival and Blanchefleur are still alive. And that a price for that has been paid. But don't oversimplify.

5. As you may know, I'm Jewish. Most of my fellow Jews would not consider me to be religious, though that's something I might argue with. Personally, I believe in God with a captial G. Whether that means he's the Judeo/Christian God seems like a parochial question to me. Almost an elitist question. I also believe that God is REAL BIG on free will. His miracles are many but subtle, and all come with a free scientific explanation -- because if he simply manifested like George Burns on trial, then where's the free will? So why should things be any easier in the Gargoyles Universe. The Gargs believe in a God that is the sum total of all things. They are monotheists and animists all at once. I don't think that's inconsistent with Judeo/Christian beliefs, but I also don't think you're going to see any purely objective evidence on the show, ever. Take to the Gargoyles Universe what you will. And it should, if I'm doing this right, give you something back -- whatever you do, or don't, believe in.

Look, I know it seems like I'm blowing off your questions. I'm not. But try reading them with a fresh eye. They're almost impossible TO answer in a straightforward manner, because they are extremely complex, and yet they take for granted so many things as fact that have not been established either in the cannon or here at ASK GREG. These are all interesting topics and I encourage you to pursue them. But break your questions down. It'll help you avoid making assumptions.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, November 23, 2001 09:41:16 PM
IP: 216.179.1.29

Skip will be returning? That sounds good to me. He was a fun character and I enjoyed his earlier appearance in the series (which was both funny and kind of sad - sad in that he and Angel should have to be fighting each other when they met).

Re Greg Weisman and the Bible: Mr. Weisman hasn't outright dismissed the Bible at "Ask Greg", but he has mentioned once or twice that he feels that some elements of it come more from man than from God; that's probably what Sevarius Jr. is referring to.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 23, 2001 09:21:47 PM
IP: 168.191.109.52

SJ> <<But Greg Weisman says that the Bible is all a bunch of crap! He "doesn't go in for that sort of drivvel"!>> Um, when did Greg say that? I've been reading Ask Greg since it opened, and I don't remember him saying that in there or in S8. I'm sure I'd remember something like that.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, November 23, 2001 09:09:01 PM
IP: 216.179.1.29

Hope everyone had fun today, on THE BIGGEST SHOPPING DAY OF THE YEAR.

I got up at 4 a.m., and all I have to show for it is a lousy razor scooter. A pox upon you, K-Mart, for offering cheap DVD players and then conveniently claiming "Uh, the truck didn't show last night." I guess that's the reward I get for shopping at your fine white-trash establishment.

Kaioto: But Greg Weisman says that the Bible is all a bunch of crap! He "doesn't go in for that sort of drivvel"!

Could he possibly be wrong?

If so, I am in SHOCK.

BTW, has anyone been watching the Iron Chef marathon today? Morimoto is my hero. I want to team up with him to kick Shatner's ass for helming that horrible USA IC version they just had.

In Angel news, fan-favorite, the good-guy demon Skip, will be making a return to the show in the near future. He's there to tell Cordy exactly what's up with those vision things.

In GREAT entertainment news, there are TWO Samurai Jack films in the works. One will be animated....the other live-action. This is beyond wonderful. See? There is a God, and he's a Genndy Tartakovsky fan like I am.

In BAD entertainment news, the fabulous Richard Matheson novel "I Am Legend" (which was adapted into "The Omega Man" starring straight-shooter-and-gun-freak Chuck "Burton's Apes film sucks my big hairy mule" Heston) is finally being made. That's kind of good news. The depressing part comes when it was announced that Michael Bay *HACK!HACK!* will direct the film, with Will Smith to star. See, this is bad because I can't stand Will Smith at all. I liked this project much better when it was good ubermensch Arnold Schwarzenegger up for the role.

And finally, in ambivalent entertainment news, some Star Wars geeks are worried about the upcoming second prequel, because Jonathan Hales, who co-wrote Episode 2, has also written the upcoming Scorpion King movie (aka the Mummy prequel starring The Rock). And people are saying that SK sucks, so we should be worried that SW2 will suck too, since they have the same writer.

To which I have to yell, HAVE YOU DICKHEADS SEEN PHANTOM MENACE???? Screw Jonathan Hales, you should be quaking in your Chewbacca slippers based upon that piece of crap alone. And have you seen the new "love story" trailer for the film? There you go, Lucas has taken the most exciting sci-fi franchise out there, and turned it into "Titanic in Space, with Muppets Galore". Screw YOU, George Lucas.

I don't know why I'm so angry that he sold out, I just am. Oh well. I'm officially joining the ranks of the LOTR geeks . I'll take hobbits over Gungans any day.

"There are a lot of things we don't want to know about the people we love.
To warm her up, I tell Marla about the woman in Dear Abby who married a handesome successful mortician and on their wedding night, he made her soak in a tub of ice water until her skin was freezing to the touch, and then he made her lie in bed, completely stiff while he had intercourse with her cold inert body.
The funny thing is this woman had done this as a newly-wed, and gone on to do it for the next ten years of marriage and now she was writing to Dear Abby to ask if Abby thought it meant something."
---Narrator, "Fight Club"
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, November 23, 2001 08:55:48 PM
IP: 66.44.67.96

Read Chapter Seven of LotR today (I would have read Chapter Eight as well, but a few things came up unexpectedly), "In the House of Tom Bombadil." Bombadil, incidentally, is one of the more controversial characters in LotR, in that many Tolkien fans have spilt a lot of ink trying to work out exactly who he was. I've come across at least one argument that he was one of the Valar (a race of godlike beings put in charge of Middle-earth to administrate it on the local level; they're more prominent in the Silmarillion than they are in LotR), though others argued against it. (Actually, Tolkien came up with Bombadil, the Willow-man, and the Barrow-wights long before he wrote LotR, and was essentially cannibalizing from himself when he included them in his work; kind of like Greg Weisman incorporating the originally "independent-of-Gargoyles" New Olympians into the series). Incidentally, Bombadil isn't going to be in the movie (he didn't make it into the Bakshi version, either). But they'd obviously have to leave out a few things to keep it from being too long to sit through.

There's a particularly good bit in Chapter Seven, by the way, when Bombadil is talking to the hobbits about how far back he goes, how far back into Middle-earth's past he can remember, and finishes it with how he "knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside." At which point, a shadow passes across the window outside, momentarily spooking the hobbits, but it turns out to have an innocent explanation and isn't a danger at all.

PATRICK - So you have a cat now? Glad to hear it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 23, 2001 06:56:14 PM
IP: 63.183.39.165

Hello all. I'm on-line again.

Unown> Feel free to post more.

Imzadi> Yep, I have an ego. All think sto one naugfhty writer ::winks at Christine::

I'd differ with your views about the Bible, but that's expected, consdiering our different views and all. Your Harry Potter comment sounds exactly like something SJ woudl say.

Top Ten Things to be Thankful for:

10. I'm in the Finance Corps, so if I get deployed to anywhere, including Afghansitan, I gte a bunch of money, some ribbons on my uniform and I stay pretty safe in HQ.

9. That I ahve my godson and his parents to spend Thanksgiving with

8. That the Vatican has a website

7. That I have the freedom to practcie my faith, though the original celebrants of Thanksgiving would have never allowed it.

6. That no more Puritans are around today.

5. Heather

4. That I see Heather in 27 days

3. Heather (taht's how greatful I am)

2. That Mary is Queen of Heaven

1. The friends I have here in this room

Greg X> Well, Tolkein was Catholic, so I guess the Bible may get some credit for Lord of the Rings :)

Jannie> I agree about the Bible. It is the start of our Tradition and all Tradition is rooted in the Bible. The books rejected by the Council of Nicea are fantasy, though, but what the Council of Nicea approves, I apporve.

Metaldemon> Sounds like your Thanksgiving sucked. I hope you don't see them too often. But if you want someone to leave, let's get rid of the Seventh Day Adventists ;)

Kaioto> I'm glad to see you post. I had soemthing religious come up in my job. I helped a soldier named Jesus Martinez with his pay. I wonder if that's a corporal work of mercy :)

I agree that the fundamentalsist who decry Harry Potter probably have a problem with CS Leiws's Narnia Chronicles, because of fantasy elements involved, though they are probably the best Christian literature on the 20th century. Granted I don't think Harry Potter has earned aseat with Lewis, Machiavelli, Tolkein, Shakespeare, but its good taht kids are reading for fun again. I hope Harry Potter inspires them to read further to other authors like Tolkein and CS Lewis.

Greg X> Don't forget Harry Hanukah from Saturday Night Live :) Too bad, your family ain't military. Then, my Fiannce Corps could collect it from their ass :)

Now, I'm off again. Soon, I wil ahve Interent in my room and AOL IM and all the other good stuff on a common basis

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Friday, November 23, 2001 03:51:28 PM
IP: 212.144.85.229

Ok, that Top Ten List was meant to be pretty lighthearted in certain areas. Particularly the No God part. Just a little in-joke on the debates I've had. Really, I don't care either way. Another part that was tongue-in-cheek was "That My family and friends are alive and well". I have a lot of family members that I wish were dead or other wise hurt right now. Particularly an aunt of mine who owes me $300.

JAN> Yeah, I'm definetly thankful that there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny of Humphrey the Hannukah Goblin ;) When I figured out that my parents were lying to me about that when I was a kid, I was free to act as bad as I wanted as long as they never found out about it. Also, if Santa was real, I'm sure there'd be a huge media circus around his trial when he finally gets arrested for breaking and entering and enslaving and abusing all those elves.

SPACEBABIE> <<Bill Gates is Evil>> Bill Gates is a mere tool in the agenda of Barbara Streisand, Osama bin Laden and my Uncle Claudio ;)

NUKES> <<AND WHAT THE @$#@ DOES GRAEME HAVE TO DO!?!? read something like that in "blood moon">> Just as Demona saved the world by killing Madoc Morfryn, Graeme must save the world by slaying Barbara Streisand aka Mecha Streisand... oops... I let the cat out of the bag a little early ;)
Greg Bishansky
Friday, November 23, 2001 12:42:27 PM
IP: 216.179.3.129

ok, thats it. im throught being annoying to you guys. im using this entire day to read through as much as i can. :)
NukesGoBoom
Friday, November 23, 2001 12:27:41 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

NukesGoBoom>>>Space Spawn are technically aliens and a bad kind of aliens that Nokar is trying to protect the Earth from.
Spacebabie
Friday, November 23, 2001 12:15:21 PM
IP: 67.25.49.38

josh- thanks for setting me straight. btw, what are "space spawn"? please tell me. what exactly are they going to do?
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom]
Friday, November 23, 2001 11:37:20 AM
IP: 24.4.252.36

You know, that whole Harry Potter is the devil thing annoys me.

Sure, a devil or demon gives you superpowers, that's evil Fu.

Sure, if Allah / YHWH / God starts handing you uber-cookies, that's good Fu.

But, outside of direct intervention by such extreme entities, power is power. It is evil if it comes at the expense of others to serve your selfish ends. If something works, it is part of the nature of the universe, and is thusly natural. If it isn't part of the nature of the universe, it simply won't happen.

"Magic," especially the kind seen in Harry Potter, is really the same stuff as Science. It is a warped version of physics. The stuff in Harry Potter still boils down to formulas, cause-effect, and the like.

And, stangely, just like Science, "magic" can be explaned down to a certain level until you hit the question "why" and have to answer "because." The universe is made up of electrons and protons and neutrons quarks etc. blah blah blah ... but why are they here? Because. How did they come into being? Because. Etc.

And if it is good enough for science, then "magic" is no more evil than chemistry class.

As for the Bible ... I know this is a touchy subject, but I'd ask you only to remember not to so casually dismiss it as "fantasy stories" and make-believe. That's just ignorant from a historical perspective if nothing else.

The Bible is a collection of poetry, letters, geneology, and life-lessons of the long-lived Hebrew / Israelite people on the one hand. On the other hand (or testament in this case) it offers letters between community leaders during a turbulent time in human history addressing issues like experiences with faith, persecution, spiritual growth, cultural differences, managing conflict, and more lessons about the treatment of others and the value of human beings.

And the Gospels themselves were composed not as myths over thousands of years or prehistoric culture. They were first penned only a generation after historical events during a time when literacy flourished in a province of the Roman Empire. Such documentation would not be seen for centuries in Europe after the fall fo Rome (hence the Dark Ages). Charlemagne is probably the the first in Europe to get anything close to the historical documentation of Jesus Christ after the fall of Rome.

There is a lot of book there is study and learn from, a bridge to the past culture and history that shaped the future culture of the West. To miss out on it is to miss out on a learning experience. You get the opportunity to learn about both the world of the past and to self-explore. It may not be a book of cosmic answers, but it is a tome filled with _Questions_, questions whose examination is integral to the human experience. It should be approached with an open heart and an open mind. I'm not saying you should _believe_ everything you read. I'll be the first one to point out conflicts Everywhere. You simply can't believe everything you read there. But you should try to _understand_ it beyond turning your nose up to it with an attitude of "I don't go in for that sort of drivvel."

Then again, open minds and open hearts are rare things to find in this day and age. Look around at the world we've create for ourselves, and ask if we've really come so far that we no longer need the lessons of the past to grow from.
Kaioto
Friday, November 23, 2001 11:23:14 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

SJ > So I guess I'm officially back to being not in agreement with you. Two and a half months... not a bad run.

Crzy > So I guess our secret is out. Oh well... when you get back from your trip and see this... you do "form of an elephant" and I'll do "form of water" and we'll soak some people good in here. BTW... it's your turn to clean the monkey's litter box. ;)
And now, from the Home Office on the planet Psychlo, here's tonight's Top Ten List!

Top Ten Things I am Thankful For:

10. Funny Top Ten Lists
9. That I don't live in a country that ends in "istan."
8. That Osama Bin Laden will likely expire before the week-old jug of milk in my fridge.
7. That it's President George W. "The Terminator" Bush and not President Albert "Gimme a Hug" Gore.
6. That with my aquistion of a kitty and a rotating chair, my plans for world domination may finally be coming to fruition.
5. That I can read fanfic by authors like Christine and Mooncat to inspire me to greater heights of Evil.
4. That the next Gathering is within driving distance and I don't have to help run it next year.
3. That close family members become a lot easier to like once they are finally NOT living in your house anymore.
2. That I have good friends like kathy and Crzy.
1. That there IS indeed a God.
Patrick Toman
Friday, November 23, 2001 11:22:00 AM
IP: 66.72.207.79

Hello again. Haven't been posting in awhile...oh, well. I had an interesting Thanksgiving. Well, my sister and my dad didn't waste time in arguing with each other over who gives orders to who. Then, my brother-in-law's family (aoll of whom are Jewish) came over. His dad sat next to me and started chatting with my dad and g-pa. "You know I think what we should do," he intomed, "we need to round all the Arabs and Blacks and ship them out or centralize them." That thouroughly pissed me off, so I retorted, "Exactly. Then, after we get them out, let's get rid of the Jews, too." Realizing my sarcasm, he added Roman Catholics to that and others, the went on about how liberals made him sick adn how China is going to attack us during the Olympics. o_O.
Harry Potter> I went and saw this last night. I didn't find anything special to it. I liked that big uy with the big beard and long hair :) And that guy with the turbine freaked the hell out of me since he had that face on the back of his head. *shudders*
Jan> That's an amazing story. I have friends, though, who would say something along the lines of, "Surely science will deflty explain what happpened." Oh, well. Ignorance is bliss, right? :)
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
houston, tx
Friday, November 23, 2001 11:12:46 AM
IP: 64.243.70.181

Josh> <<Note that there is a difference between a miracle and dumb luck.>> Yes there is. However, I was referring to the miracles that I have seen for myself and one being a medical miracle. Several years ago my father suffered from a brain hemmorage. After doing the dye type x-ray, they pinpointed the vessel that was so enlarged it would have ruptured at any moment (causing immediate death). Dad's friends came to the hospital & that evening they all prayed over him. The pain went away immediately and when they ran the final x-ray before surgery, the hemmorage was completely gone. Even the doctors said it was a miracle and they had never seen anything like that before. In fact, one of the doctors had been a non-believer of God - until he witnessed this miracle. He and my dad kept in touch for a long time after this.
As far as incidents such as being a survivor of a plane crash or whatever - I'm a firm believer that when it's your time to die, you'll die...otherwise, you will remain on this Earth. I believe that you may create the circumstances in which you die. For example, suicide... if it's not your time to go, you'll survive the suicide attempt, if it's your time to die - you'll succeed. I don't push the limits on my life because I might be wrong on this theory or I'll end up a vegetable ;)
The difference between miracles and "magic" is that miracles are performed in honor of God and for the good of God. In the old testament they had "magic" but none of it was sancitified by God and therefore deemed evil. But once again, this is something that non-believers will just turn their noses up and declare it to be hogwash. *shrugs* I'm not going to debate whether it's true or not - it's truth to me. My perception is my truth. As I've said before, if I'm wrong, I will have lost nothing - if I'm right, I will gain everything.
Herbie, the mentally retarded man that Anna brought, has a tendency to start removing his pants when he has to go to the bathroom.... no matter where he's at. *chuckles* If he's sitting in the living room, he will stand up, remove his pants and then walk butt naked to the bathroom. Thank goodness he did not have to go to the bathroom while he was here yesterday. He sat in a recliner for most of the day with a blanket over his head. He seemed to enjoy the dinner, but became very sleepy - pushed his plate aside and then laid his head down and went to sleep. Anna got him up and guided him back to the recliner where he took a nap. When she took him home, she said that he giggled all the way back - which meant he was pleased with the day. When he giggles, it sounds like one of those mechanical giggles *L* He has limited vocabulary and mainly just grunts when he wants something. Geesh, he sounds like a normal male to me... ;)

Greg> I'm curious too as to why you said you were thankful that there is no God. I'm not trying to start a religious debate or anything, I'm just curious. If you are a non-believer in God, then why would you be thankful for something that you don't even believe in? I guess it would be as if I said, "I'm thankful there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny" ;) I'm not going to argue the existence of God with anyone, but I do find your statement interesting and curious.

DPH> good for you for being calm enough to call 911. :) We don't have the 911 system here yet O.o
The circle begins wherever you put your pencil down at and begin to draw. ;)
Where is Daniel Hightower?

Christine> ahhhh yes! She was with the security guy *nodnodnod* geesh, that gal was skanky *shudders* Nasty. I don't think she had bathed in weeks! She had gross sores all up and down her legs too. *gags*

I think I'm going to run to the store and see if there are any bargains that I just can't live without. Some of these stores are insulting with their "bargains". I don't call taking 38 cents off of the regular price a bargain.
Anna and I are going to Springfield tomorrow to finish up our Christmas shopping, but for today, I'll hang close to home. I'll probably end up going to the office for an hour or so and catch up on the latest bookings. The paperwork is atrocious when someone is booked into jail. O_o

"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying
in hospitals dying of nothing." --Redd Foxx
Jan
Friday, November 23, 2001 09:59:31 AM
IP: 12.110.237.18

Hope everyone had a happy thanksgiving. I know I did, mostly because my mother didn't make the dinner which meant that the family wasn't here. We had dinner with some friends of the family, and it was a lot of fun. I was actually treated as an adult for once, and I got to converse and banter with the adults about everything from politics to college admissions policies (or maybe those are the same thing, depending on your viewpoints).

A tip: having 7 white jewish upper-class republicans makes for not so interesting debate.

Other than that, I did very little today.

My brother was telling me that in 30 years I'm going to be jealous of him because he'll be married and have a family and I'll still be single.

I'm sorry...why would I be jealous of that? I'll have time to pursue my hobbies, and do lame things like play video games and hang out with friends and stare at hot chicks...and he'll have to bring home the bacon.

Sucker.

I got one amazing piece of news this morning: I got a 19.5/20 on my fluids midterm! Okay, great grade...but now I want to know what I missed a half point on!

I'm watching buffy right now, and this scene where Angel drinks Buffy's blood in "Graduation pt II" with a viscious neck bite...hmmm...for some reason I find this strangely erotic.

Replies:

Jan: <<The “magic” that some people like to call it is really miracles that Jesus and God performed>>: But how is that any different (or rather, "satanic") when compared to some wizard turning a kid into a frog? <>: Yet you blindly believe that the stories from the bible are true...sheesh. <>: Note that there is a difference between a miracle and dumb luck. When Jesus changed rocks into bread or whatever it was, that was a "miracle". Its not a "miracle" when someone you love survives a plane crash or beats a disease; that's dumb luck. <<Magic is something that is created in fantasy stories>>: Right, like the bible. ;-) <<Josh was the least of the complainants on this particular issue>>: Obviously Patrick disagrees...but that's his problem, I guess. <<They never bore me>>: Yes, I like them too. <<the gal who had eyes painted on her boobs was nasty looking>>: Exhibitionists always are. This is why horny teenage boys do NOT try to sneak into Nudist colonies. <>: Huh!? Where did that come from? (aside from the obvious). <>: Good philosophy. We're weird ;-) <<She is 17 and he’s 18 and they have 2 children>>: What a waste of youth. <<Meth is manufactured here in great quantities because of the agricultural area – supplies are abundant and easily obtained>>: Thanks! I'll remember that when I need to fund my world-domination schemes. <<We’re hoping that he keeps his pants on while he’s here>>: Is he 80 or a teenage boy? <<it hasn’t snowed here yet>>: Yeah, if it snows in LA I'm gonna have a fit. <<family and friends such as you! *hugs>>: Awww, thanks. ::hugs back::

DPH: <<glances at Imzadi and hopes he can figure what the parody would involve>>: Hmmm...nope. No clue.

Spacebabie: <<I'm not my brother(although that is pretty much the same as being a turkey>>: Or a fencepost ;-) <<Punk me out? I think they made me puke out something>>: LOL. <<Proves my point that Bill Gates is Evil.>>: You mean solitare for windows wasn't enough? <<Its Thom! Do I need to say anymore?>>: Based on the girls at G2k1, no. <>: Ooh thanks! <<I’m taller, 5’6>>: I see.

The Wizard: <<I'm going to sit at home _all_ day and only look at homework for a few hours>>: Why are we doing homework on thanksgiving? <>: ... <<Only on this day are the nerds passed over for turkeys>>: I never get carved. <<I'm making it through the semester>>: Ditto. <>: Suckers. <<That winter break is three weeks off>>: goody! <<That would be awesome>>: Or just really funny. <<And at that point the magic eight ball proves itself to actually be a grenade, and explodes>>: Should I take that as a "no" or as "better not tell you now"? <>: You'd be wrong. <<that kind of devotion is great>>: To a person or ideal, perhaps. To something un-real, its an unhealthy obsession, IMO. <<Which is completely opposite of the poster on my door>>: I'll just have to kill your printer ;-) <<you'll probably think I'm a dork>>: Too late. <<I'm getting better at this...I've rendered you speechless>>: Not that I don't know what to say, its just redundant. <<And there's this thing called the Mt. Washington sundae>>: You've mentioned this before. This isn't served on a person is it? <<Good precaution on your part.>>: I hope so. Anyone who wants it either has to take the desk or dismantle it. Not that either would be so difficult...its IKEA. <<Because it's Berzerkley?>>: That and the fact that there's no alarm on my apt. <<Which would be the point of bringing more people with me.>>: So they die too? <<I'd go for the nice apartment in the city...jeeps are overrated>>: I can't believe someone who lives in the snowy rural bumf*ck area doesn't see the value of 4-wheel drive. <<and trust several males with a nude portrait in the reproducible jpeg or tiff format?>>: Hey, at least we're your friends. If we were trading porn, we'd use porn with porn stars in it. <<ziti is ribbed for her pleasure!>>: Yeah, but penne pastas name is just dirty. <<Depends what the prizes are>>: No, I don't think it does. <<The little snot took your place>>: I never wanted to be Satan's son. I just want his job. <>: Nice to have someone who agrees with me. <<But then you'll be no fun>>: Yeah, but I'd be not flamed. <<What's Siryn's view on this, anyways>>: I don't think Patrick cares, he's just bitter at me for complaining about Gathering last year. Cuz I mean my ONE complaint at the end of it was so devastating to an otherwise awesome gathering staff.

Greg X: <<When they arrived the Native Americans helped them survive, and when that was over the Puritans began persecuting the Native Americans, and eventually they began persecuting each other>>: What a great summary! <<That there is no God>>: Just out of curiosity, why are you thankful for this? <<The friends I have made in this fandom, and the ones putting up with me as Head of Edits for TGS and as Con Chair of Gathering 2003>>: I think most of the people in that first category are also in the second. <<soon I will be the master of yours!!>>: Not if I beat you to it.

Shadowrider: <<Aced another test this morning!>>: Go you. We're doing our first steps into aerodynamics this week in fluids. <<Actually, I have no first person shooter on my PC>>: But you see my point I"m sure. <<the Mac versions of "Homeworld", "StarCraft", "Emperor:Battle for Arrakis" and many other strategy games>>: StarCraft is definitely available for the mac, I play it all the time. The other two I'm not sure about. <<Now, I wonder what it could mean>>: Sounds like it means Apple has lousy distribution in Italy...which is bizarre since it has such good distrubution in other areas of Europe. <<And may I add you to my list?>>: Go for it buddy. <<It happens to be *exactly* my strategy>>: Good plan! <>: That would be nice, but it would also imply that I say more than one funny thing per year, which just isn't true. <<infinite roads to ride it on>>: I bet there aren't quite that many. <<My Engineering degree is getting closer and closer>>: I hear that!

Coyote: <>: I don't think jobs exist where you DON'T have to deal with jerkwads. <<grabs Ravyn and kisses her>>: Gee, didn't see THAT one coming ;-) <<you were reading my personal fic cycle. (which would be why you're so confused>>: I don't think he knows the difference, or even that there is one.

Todd: <<Emrys mutters under his breath, "I KNEW that those books were going to be trouble. Now that Hogwarts brat's getting all the attention!>>: I really think you should make some references to it in future seasons of Pendragon.

Christine: <<purging the bookshelves>>: Um...what are you gonna do with all those books?

Nukes: <<Anyone ever heard of Rokkans or something? some sort of aliens>>: They are Nokkar's race from the episode...oh crap, can't remember what its called. <<anyone ever heard of Rosanna ( Goliaths and Elisa's daughter there)?>>: Do you not understand the concept of different fiction universes? In TGS, as in Greg Weisman's gargoyles story, they don't have any kids. But lots of people like to write it anyway. <<Like in Timdancer i noticed Sata saying something about "aliens entering the solar system" i thought "hey, those could be the rokkans or something">>: No, those are the Space Spawn. <>: You oughta read more closely. <<AND WHAT THE @$#@ DOES GRAEME HAVE TO DO!?!? read something like that in "blood moon">>: The whole POINT, you stooge, is that they're not telling you. Its called "suspense".

DPH: <<Then why don't you wait against it?>>: I'm a pessimist, I'm not foolish. <<I'm still averaging 10 spams a day, even on weekends and holidays>>: I discovered today that the spam I filter out isn't being deleted from the servers, and I wind up re-downloading them every time. I'll fix that. <<Where's the starting/ending point for drawing a circle?>>: Any point you want. I usually use the top.

Gside: <<You mean she's flexible? And how did you find that out?>>: Well, the 2nd day I was screwing her brains out...oh no, that was someone else. No, I didn't mean she's flexible, I don't iknow that. I'm just saying she has a dancer's body. Probably because she's, ya know, a dancer. <<That would keep the female dragons much happier>>: Dragons, humans, whatever. <<I've heard that in general, men are just harder to draw>>: No pun intended. <<You'd think with the percenatges in the US, you'd get some that were>>: What are the percentages? <<Check back later. Or not, according to Imzadi>>: LOL that's right. Base your opinion on mine ;-)

Hmm, have to be up early tomorrow. Good night.

I do not care if he is good, I want to know if he is LUCKY! -Napoleon
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Friday, November 23, 2001 03:57:11 AM
IP: 206.170.217.107

Imzadi> <<with a dancer body>>: You mean she's flexible? And how did you find that out?
<<Or be able to shapeshift, like in D&D>>: That would keep the female dragons much happier.
<<Thanks. That was terribly useful>>: Any way I could help.
<<That *IS* the point>>: I thought it was to just make them look silly.

Niamhgold> <<It seems to be harder to draw/replicate someone of the opposite sex>>: I've heard that in general, men are just harder to draw.
<<all the male models are nude, live and uncut>>: They're all uncut? You'd think with the percenatges in the US, you'd get some that were.
<<And there's this thing called the Mt. Washington sundae>>: Doubt they have those down here.
<<trust several males with a nude portrait in the reproducible jpeg or tiff format?>>: But of course.

Christine> <<Sunday's purge of Becca's playroom ... I must be strong!>>: Think you could lend any of that strength to my mother? Sorry, it's just a running joke here about the biles and hoardings she has. She saved sugar packets from college. Taht's just wrong, but not as wrong as the cover of the Playboy she bought.

NukesGoBoom> <<Someone please tell me this isnt what the tgs staff is going to do with the story itself or the "Rokkans">>: Yup. That's all the Bando's stuff. Nothing to do with TGS.
<<AND WHAT THE @$#@ DOES GRAEME HAVE TO DO!>>: We don't know yet. Check back later. Or not, according to Imzadi.

So you want your mp3, do you? Well, this time you're getting The Entertainer. But this has nothing to do with any Joplin. It's Billy Joel's version.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgerrs.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, November 23, 2001 12:29:21 AM
IP: 24.4.252.72

DPH: The record for most losses in an NFL season is 16. The last team to do this was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, in their first season. Then they did it in their second season.

And what's so damned frustrating about the Lions' losses is that many of them have been by 8 points or less, they've been in most of the games, some even into the fourth quarter (like today), and they've either been making mental mistakes or been getting completley hosed by officiating. (DAMMIT, THEY SCORED ON THAT SO-CALLED "INCOMPLETION!!!")
Coyote again
Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:50:30 PM
IP: 64.243.214.145

I had a daily bit of excitement today:
As some of you are aware, I live on a major US highway. There was an accident on the highway pretty close to where I live and I called in to 911. A truck involved in it lost a wheel (literally) and a car involved in had the hood reshaped into a V. Somebody in that car had to be transported to an ambulance to a hospital.

For some unknown I am feeling sad now. Depression had been nagging at me when I find myself with free time.

I need to get some interesting stuff on the 'net and make printouts to cover up my door. Once upon a time, a good part of it was covered with printouts.

I can't believe how many parodies have been made of "Twas the Night Before Christmas". I might have to look for help to produce the parody I am after because I can stay mean at anything or anyone except my dad.

Jan - <She is 17 and he’s 18 and they have 2 children.> How sad?

Imzadi - <<<Time Dancer will premiere before the end of time (I hope)>>: Don't bet on it.> Then why don't you wait against it?

Todd - I need to start watching your posts for grammatical mistakes for all the comments you've made about my lack of spelling abilities.

0-10 = the season record for Detroit. No, I normally don't watch football, but I caught parts of the game on fox. 29-27 was the final score. What is the record for most number of losses in a season for the NFL?

I'm still averaging 10 spams a day, even on weekends and holidays.

Where's the starting/ending point for drawing a circle?

Note to self: Never ride with dad anywhere. He always gets off-track and/or goes places I don't enjoy.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:46:11 PM
IP: 204.94.193.21

NukesGoBoom: Took a while for me to figure it out, but you were reading my personal fic cycle. (which would be why you're so confused. ;)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:42:22 PM
IP: 64.243.214.145

I was looking around in the links on this site and those sites that were linked too and etc. I found So much STUFF and INFORMATION that I never knew existed.

****I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT BUT IT COULD BE CONSIDERED SPOILERS I GUESS******

Ok. Im confused. I was looking around in 'Clan Manhatten''s page and I found some intersting stuff about... i have no idea. Anyone ever heard of Rokkans or something? some sort of aliens. also, i was looking around at the story that they have going on there. anyone ever heard of Rosanna ( Goliaths and Elisa's daughter there)? Solomon (apparantly Ariana's and Samsons daughter in thier stories). no idea who these gargoyles are.

I noticed that there was Graeme and Ariana. They are TGS chracters, right? well, i read about them there. and it explains thier future. and other characters that i have only read about here.

My first impression was that those stories about "rokkans" and stuff was "Clan Manhatten"'s own fanfic stuff. but then, as i skimmed the stories here, i found what could be "links" to that. (i skim alot. I know, i will definitly read them soon.) Like in Timdancer i noticed Sata saying something about "aliens entering the solar system" i thought "hey, those could be the rokkans or something". apparently, i didnt read alot, but it seems that the rokkans are fighting with earth for some reason.
*****END****

Someone please tell me this isnt what the tgs staff is going to do with the story itself or the "Rokkans". Please email me and talk to me or leave a response here. It is much appreciated, thanks.

AND WHAT THE @$#@ DOES GRAEME HAVE TO DO!?!? read something like that in "blood moon"

thanks guys.
i owe you one.

NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:22:50 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

Josh > glad you enjoyed the movie. I'm already looking forward to next year! ; )

Jan > I think that she was with the big hairy scary security guy ... Ogre, wasn't he?

Thanksgiving was a peaceful one here, and after dinner we wound up purging the bookshelves of all the books we've finally decided we will never read or need again. Precursor to Sunday's purge of Becca's playroom ... I must be strong!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, November 22, 2001 09:34:20 PM
IP: 64.24.187.142

Click on http://www.chirgles.btinternet.co.uk/ideas.htm and give me your opinion!
It's a bit abstract but IS derived from the series.....
Chirgles - [chirgles@btinternet.com]
Holywell, North Wales, UK
Thursday, November 22, 2001 07:59:05 PM
IP: 62.7.50.149

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Chirgles - [chirgles@btinternet.com]
Holywell, North Wales, UK
Thursday, November 22, 2001 07:57:32 PM
IP: 62.7.50.149

I hope that everyone here had a good Thanksgiving. I had a pleasant one, myself. I went to church in the morning for a special Thanksgiving service, talked with my mother and stepfather in Arizona on the phone for a little while, read some more of "The Lord of the Rings" (I just finished "The Old Forest"), and had a Thanksgiving Day meal. (Not a wholly conventional one, for I had turkey sausages instead of regular turkey - no cranberry sauce, either, though I still had pumpkin pie for dessert).

<<Harry Potter is the son of the Devil>> Sorry, folks, you're thinking of the wrong world-famous British wizard. (Though Merlin doesn't have a middle name, whether Damien or otherwise).

(Emrys mutters under his breath, "I KNEW that those books were going to be trouble. Now that Hogwarts brat's getting all the attention! And to top it all off, my agent wants me to start wearing a pair of glasses and a fake forehead scar, for the sake of the publicity!")
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 22, 2001 06:40:31 PM
IP: 168.191.109.211

Hmm ... ten things I'm thankful for:

10: I have a steady job that makes decent money, despite all the jerkwads I deal with on a daily basis
9: The Red Wings are so good this season, to make up for the Lions being so bad this season. (THEY CAN'T EVEN FRIGGIN' BUY A WIN!!!)
8: A cozy little house that's secure, as opposed to the insecurity of the end of summer.
7: That my car runs, despite its 23 years.
6: That some decent music will be appearing on Broadway in October of next year ... and hopefully they'll put out a sonudtrack for it. (Jim Steinman's "Dance of the Vampires." Click my name link for some info, if you're interested.)
5: I'm alive and well.
4: So is most of my family.
3: I have online access. :)
2: The noose is tightening on the 3rd Antichrist, Osama Bin Laden.

Aaaaand ... then #1 thing that I'm thankful for is:

1: This. **grabs Ravyn and kisses her** I love you, Ravyn. :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, November 22, 2001 06:17:03 PM
IP: 64.243.214.145

Ho ho ho...well, a merry Thanksgiving to all you Americans!

Aced another test this morning! 10/10 in Aerodynamics! Yeah!

Josh:> <<That seems an odd phrase, given our recent conversations here. >> It was meant that way...;)
<<You have first person shooter games. >> Actually, I have no first person shooter on my PC (well, I actually have one, but it is my brother's, and I never play it) cause I don't like it. Anyway, since you name games... I still have to see (at least, in Italy are not distributed...maybe in USA is different) the Mac versions of "Homeworld", "StarCraft", "Emperor:Battle for Arrakis" and many other strategy games.
<<Windows is $400, OS X is $130. Office is $500, Appleworks is $80. >> Interesting...prices you mention for PC products are more or less the same as in Italy, while MAc products are far far cheaper in USA than in my country. Now, I wonder what it could mean...
<<Is it cool if I add you to my buddy list?>> Sure it is! Actually, I'd be happy if you do so. <<I'm OakleyPosterBoy.>> And may I add you to my list?
<> It happens to be *exactly* my strategy...

Niamhgold:> I enjoyed it a lot too...and it was a pity I had to leave so soon. Oh, and check your email!

Winterwolf:> Had a late night, isn't it? ;)

Hmm...a top ten list. Well, I cannot help but taking part, since so many people did...so...

Ten things for which Shadowrider is thankful:
(in no particular order)

1) I can access to the Internet without asking permission to my Mullah/Priest/Soviet councilman
2) I have a girlfriend who laughs at my jokes
3) The Taekwon-do
4) I have a motorbike, and infinite roads to ride it on
5) I have friends to which I can say everything I feel, and who tell me everything they feel
6) Tagliatelle with mushrooms and sausages sauce (like my mom makes them...I could eat them forever...)
7) In a day of rain, I decided to take a look at a new animated series about some strange winged creatures...
8) TGS is keeping the mythos alive (and Timedancer is coming soon!)
9) My Engineering degree is getting closer and closer
10) All the people in this CR (and I mean ALL the people!)

All right people...nothing more! See everyone, and again a happy Thanksgiving!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Thursday, November 22, 2001 02:55:27 PM
IP: 213.213.103.122

Today is the day we celebrate the saga of the Puritans. They came from Europe to escape persecution for their beliefs. When they arrived the Native Americans helped them survive, and when that was over the Puritans began persecuting the Native Americans, and eventually they began persecuting each other.

But who cares, we get a big feast for dinner!

Happy Thanksgiving all!

What am I thankful for.

10. That Osama bin Laden is living each day in fear of what he knows is coming.
9. That it is in fact is coming.
8. The "Lord of the Rings" movie is coming out and will hopefully topple George 'Moneybags' Lucas from the throne of succesful movie trilogies.
7. That my family and friends are alive and well.
6. That I am alive and well.
5. That there is no God
4. That I have a car.
3. That soon I can legally drive that car.
2. The friends I have made in this fandom, and the ones putting up with me as Head of Edits for TGS and as Con Chair of Gathering 2003.
1. That I am the master of my own destiny, and soon I will be the master of yours!!! ;)

Baldy: <<one could say the Bible itself is possibly the greatest piece of fantasy litterature ever written>> Nope, that's "Lord of the Rings".

JOSH> <<Harry Potter is the son of the Devil!>> It's true. He even has the 666 under his hair and his middle-name is Damien.

"Lord, on this day of thanks we would like to extend our deepest gratitude for this incredible bounty of green beans you have bestowed upon us. And though you've for some reason found it necessary to take our son from us, and though for some reason you find pleasure in watching us suffer... still... we give thanks. Amen.
-Kenny's Dad "South Park"
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, November 22, 2001 01:22:11 PM
IP: 216.179.1.217

** Niamhgold enters **

Whoo! Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I'm going to sit at home _all_ day and only look at homework for a few hours :) But it's food and revelry and TV!!!!!

Yes, I AM hyper...I was up late, woke up in a good mood, AND had coffee and muffins and lots of food...and more food now at my dad's boss's, and then more food later, and then shopping tomorrow. Gak :)

Oh, and we have a family of wild turkeys living in our backyard. I didn't know they could fly up into trees. We need to feed this things better.

Top Ten Things I am Thankful for:
1: I am a nerd. Only on this day are the nerds passed over for turkeys.
2: I have _you_ guys!
3: Monkeys are better than penguins
4: Flash is easy to learn
5: I have a job
6: I'm making it through the semester
7: I have a family who's understanding and pays for phone time/computer accessories with hardly a question
8: Yes, lemon diet coke too ;)
9: My animation class
10: That winter break is three weeks off.

FS: <Add a little lemon and butter and you have a nice little meal in under 15 minutes!> No, thanks. I've got turkey and leftovers to sustain me (and mom's desserts), and I'm too busy to cook a big lovely meal at school ;) That would be awesome ;) :: And at that point the magic eight ball proves itself to actually be a grenade, and explodes ::

Lynati: <Everybody knows I have virtually no life outside my fic. ;)> Ah, I think you have more of a life than some of us ;) Besides...that kind of devotion is great. It seems to be harder to draw/replicate someone of the opposite sex. But live model sessions have helped (not to mention that all the male models are nude, live and uncut ;) You should check into getting this one guy, a marine... ;))

Daddy: <"You are now entering a Mac World"> Which is completely opposite of the poster on my door. Christine has tried to hide it/deface the thing before, but Ed keeps printing new ones >;P <Just steal your mom's> If she didn't work as hard as I do, I would ;) <Which I still haven't seen> Anti-point Heh, you'll probably think I'm a dork...I've read pretty much all of L'Engle's stuff. I liked Many Waters, too...and A Wind in The Door was cool, to my fourth grade self. <That sentence had so many dirty jokes in it that I'm just gonna stare> Heh heh heh. I'm getting better at this...I've rendered you speechless ;) <Really now?> yeah. And the most disgusting is rum raisin. <Sure, if that's what floats your boat> And there's this thing called the Mt. Washington sundae... <and my tower is locked to my desk...> Good precaution on your part. <...why do I still not feel safe?> Because it's Berzerkley? <Don't you dare die on us ;-)> Which would be the point of bringing more people with me. <or maybe just a new Jeep, an SLK430, and a nice apartment in the city> I'd go for the nice apartment in the city...jeeps are overrated. <Yeah, probably, unless we see it ;-)> Yeahk, right, and trust several males with a nude portrait in the reproducible jpeg or tiff format? I don't think so ;) <You lived with him for 15 years, I'm sure another 6 hours wouldn't kill you ;-)> Unless he suddenly decides to drive like a maniac ;) <Worse than penne pasta?> Come, now...ziti is ribbed for her pleasure! <This is not a competition you'd want to win> Depends what the prizes are. <Harry Potter is the son of the Devil> The little snot took your place ;) <Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! (yes, even YOU).> Really? :: sigh :: Well, I guess I have to extend my Thanksgiving wishes to you, now, too ;) I think he thinks he's being both, but he's not quite successful, now, is he? <Fine, I'll shut up now> But then you'll be no fun ;)

Patrick: Well, I think that (a) he knows bits and pieces about both and (b) everyone's like that. I can offer advice, artistically, whatever, on lots of things, but it doesn't mean I feel confident enough to actually and successfully help. For example, I know a lot about Flash but not near to everything, but it doesn't mean I can't say to someone that "it should be easy"...because once someone _learns_ a certain thing, it _is_ easy. It's just up to them to learn. I'm not trying to prolong this argument or anything, or take sides, but I've had one friend tell me this before and it hit a few buttons. I by no means think you're standpoint is wrong, nor do I think Josh's is wrong, either. It's just the standpoint I most relate to. What's Siryn's view on this, anyways?

Shadowrider: Happy thanksgiving to you, too...it was great to chat with you last night :)

All right, I'm out to eat turkey :)
Adios!
Niamhgold
Thursday, November 22, 2001 11:44:59 AM
IP: 208.197.116.138

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERONE.
Top ten things that I'm thankful for
1.I didn't freak out during our performance.
2.I'm not feeling sick.
3. I'm having fun with my classes.
4.I'm not a Turkey
5. I'm not my brother(although that is pretty much the same as being a turkey)
6.Diet Coke with Lemon, and Diet Dr Pepper
7. Caramel
8.My family and my pets
9.That they detected my dad's cancer eraly and he will soon have it removed.
10. That Osama Bin Laden is about to get his!

****************South Park Spoilers*************************
Cartman is very weak
Kyle's cousin sucks
I want an IT!
**************End Spoilers**********************************

SJ<<<The Wonder Twins made a rather pitiful attempt to punk you out>>> Punk me out? I think they made me puke out something.

Silvadel<<<Have you ever seen more stupid commercials than the ones for X box?>>> Zoom Zoom zoom! And the one for Checkers. Proves my point that Bill Gates is Evil.

Aaron<<<Can I leave you people alone for five minutes without somebody starting a fight? Please? >>>Are you talking to us or your Chibis? Anywaz, food fight in the CR is recommended.

Gside<<<Ah. But how often can you flirt with the same guy?>>>Its Thom! Do I need to say anymore?

Josh<<<Well that's good to know...I'm not a reliable judge of which males in the fandom are good looking…>>>I saw pictures of you, you aint so bad looking yourself.<<<About 5'4 with a dancer body.>>>I’m taller, 5’6
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.SA
Thursday, November 22, 2001 11:00:53 AM
IP: 67.25.52.152

Anybody know where I find an online copy of "Twas the Night Before Christmas"? I was thinking about doing it a parody of that. *glances at Imzadi and hopes he can figure what the parody would involve*
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:46:36 AM
IP: 204.94.193.71

Baldy> <<one could say the Bible itself is possibly the greatest piece of fantasy litterature ever written. (Do note that I myself don't hold that opinion, but if that statement intrigues you, take a look at it... resurrection... splitting water... burning bushes... jars that never become empty... a great many elements frequently found in fantasy stories...)>> one could say that, but it wouldn’t be true. The Bible is not filled with fantasy, but with facts and history. The “magic” that some people like to call it is really miracles that Jesus and God performed. As far as the elements found in fantasy stories – where do you think they came up with the ideas? ; ) (from the Bible)
I have never heard or seen of any magic tricks being performed that were actually true and without trickery. I have, however, have seen miracles performed and to be honest and pure. Magic is something that is created in fantasy stories. : )

Patrick> While I have no intention of becoming involved in this bantering between you and Josh, I will say that the mention of the “hotel and catering” wasn’t exclusive with Josh. A LOT of people complained about the dinner fee and the cost of the hotel. Josh always maintained that even though it was expensive, he had no hesitation in paying it so that he could attend. There were several of us that chose not to pay it and eat elsewhere and stay in a different (cheaper) hotel. Josh was the least of the complainants on this particular issue.

Lynati> thank you for sending the pictures of your artwork! Wow!!! I’m very impressed with your talent! Are you planning on pursuing a career in art?

Todd> I have to admit that I’ve never read the book, “Wizard of Oz”. I have heard a lot of things about it, have watched some documentaries on the making of the movie, have been to the Wizard of Oz museum in Liberal, Kansas, and my daughter collects WofO items – but I’ve yet to read the original book O_o I didn’t realize that in the book the whole Oz scene was actually portrayed as being “real”. Hmmmm… very interesting. I imagine that because of the era that the movie was made, it would have been considered a big no-no for them to portray Oz as anything but real life.

SJ> thank you *hugs* This is why I’m proud to call you my friend.
Re: JAG and Law and Order…. I love the shows and rarely miss any of them. I watch the original L&O in addition to the spin-offs. They never bore me. I have also noticed that they don’t divulge a lot of the characters’ personal lives in the shows. They did a bit of a crossover with Crossing Jordan the other night… have you seen that show yet? (Crossing Jordan) I think you would like it =)
I have watched JAG since the first episode. The only time I would miss it would be when I was able to watch Buffy and Angel – it was on at the same time slot. =\ But now it’s not an issue so I can watch JAG each week.

LM> wow! Thank you for all of the work that you do in order to keep TGS up to date and looking good =) I know that it must take a lot of your free time and it’s mucho appreciated!

Spacebabie> congrats on getting thru your play without barfing or passing out ;) Sometimes when I would do trainings, I would loose my train of thought and would freeze.. that’s the time I would stop and throw a joke or something in. hehe If the participants were active and interacting well during the training, I would sometimes just begin a goofy song. They thought I was just being funny and typical “mama fox” stuff, but I was actually trying to regain my thoughts and relax a bit ; ) (mama fox is my scouting nickname) ;)

Christine> the gal who had eyes painted on her boobs was nasty looking. I don’t know if she was a friend or relative of someone attending the Dallas Gathering, so I apologize if I’ve offended anyone – but she _was_ nasty looking *shudders*

Josh> good gosh, I hope that you get laid soon… *L*

DPH> <<What is the longest continuing running television series that keeps producing new episodes ever season?>> *sits and waits for the answer* no wait… is it the Simpsons? I dunno, I just watch TV, I don’t keep stats on any of it *L*

Rayvn> I know what you mean .. I would have filed charges faster than they could have taken my statement if I had been beaten by some jerk. Ironically, the story didn’t end that day… it continued 3 days later when she came back into the sheriff’s dept. to file charges against him b/c he had punched on her again. I ran into her as I was leaving for the courthouse and she explained why she was there. I called for an officer to come take her statement and then I left for the courthouse. While there, I was in the circuit court clerk’s office picking up paperwork and the jerk came in. He wanted to file an ex-parte against HER! Plus, he wanted information on how to have her involuntarily committed for “anger issues”. He also told the clerk that her mom and him discussed this and she was in agreement (come to find out, her mom was out of town – so he was lying) *rolls eyes* I managed to get the clerk into another room and explained to him the current and past circumstances and then I called the sheriff’s office. A deputy met the guy at the courthouse. In the meantime, the gal was placed in a safe house and she filed an ex-parte against him. But sadly, I do believe that they will be getting back together soon and this will be a way of life for them and their children. It’s really sad to see young people waste their lives like this and to know that they’ll probably never improve. She is 17 and he’s 18 and they have 2 children.

Big drug bust on Thursday. Arrested 7 people who had a Meth lab. I learned about the Meth drug and it’s affect on people. Geesh, did ya’ll know that it has lye in it?? Plus some other ingredients that really makes you shake your head in question. They got quite a haul plus around $6000 in cash. This was some of the finest and purest meth that they have ever seen – crystal white. Meth is manufactured here in great quantities because of the agricultural area – supplies are abundant and easily obtained. However, they have taken Sudafed off the counters and you have to ask the pharmacy for them and you’re limited to how many boxes you can buy at one time.

Had a fight in the jail pod on Wednesday – it was a weenie-ass fight, nothing spectacular. One guy called another one an ass wipe so he received a broken nose. Heh, when the alarm went off and we all went back there to investigate and break up the fight, I stayed right BEHIND one of the deputies. ; ) I kept saying, “I got your back covered, Jack” *L* It was impressive to see everyone in their positions and prepared for any thing that might have erupted. I usually just see the officers lounging around and hanging out in our office – don’t get to see them in “action”.

Well, it’s time to finish up on preparing Thanksgiving dinner. I’ll be hosting 17 people today including one of Anna’s clients from the home. He’s 80 years old, severely retarded, has no family and will be joining us today for the meal. We’re hoping that he keeps his pants on while he’s here.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Top 10 things I’m thankful for:
10. I have a Honda CRV
9. it hasn’t snowed here yet
8. I don’t have to have my dinner in a jail cell
7. I have a 4 day weekend
6. I have discovered the world of Disney Gargoyles
5. as a result of #6 I have a lot of new friends
4. we have plenty of food today and every day
3. Juanita, my Chihuahua
2. God is forgiving
1. family and friends such as you! *hugs*

Jan
Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:41:36 AM
IP: 12.110.236.41

A happy Thanksgiving to everyone here!
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 22, 2001 07:50:00 AM
IP: 168.191.109.102

**Winterwolf stops in for a few brief lines**

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Belated Birthday SOROW!

Well I'm sleepy... Good night all.

**Winterwolf goes to bed**
Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Thursday, November 22, 2001 05:56:37 AM
IP: 172.182.173.128

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! (yes, even YOU).

Saw the Harry Potter movie today. It Rocked! It was funny and brilliantly cast and the art was amazing and and and...

Okay, you get the idea.

But, just like the Christian Right predicted, I now have the urge to smoke crack and worship satan. Just from that one movie. There's just something about magic that makes me want to worship satan. I don't know what it is, and I ignore the fact that Jesus performed magic left and right.

Harry Potter is the son of the Devil!

Okay, that was a joke. In case some of you with surgically removed senses of humor (like myself) didn't catch it.

TOP TEN THINGS I AM THANKFUL FOR
10. I'm not a Turkey.
9. I have friends who aren't morons.
8. I have a family that doesn't care what I do so long as I call home every few weeks.
7. ...and they pay for my rent.
6. I'm passing all my classes.
5. I can go online and talk to my friends from the CR around the world.
4. I have a roommate who cooks.
3. Typhoon (my tower) and Seawolf (my laptop)
2. I've totally lost my once-trademark undying sense of purpose and planning.
1. I'm not dead yet!

Patrick: <<both a dialog that just transpired here and one that those of us who work in offices have seen repeated over and over at work many times>>: Your scene implies something that isn't true about our "dialogue". Dilbert is a professional programmer. He SHOULD be able to do it. Or he should be able to figure it out. Just like as a student, you should expect me to know some fact about my school, or at least know where to look for it, right? My apologies for thinking that Siryn was good with CGI-scripts. I don't meddle with things I don't know much about, and I might have farmed the work out to, say...you. Or my roommate. Or someone with some CGI-scripting experience. I assumed that someone who was good with cgi scripting would be the person attacking this for the Gathering and that such a person would be able to properly modify the script. <>: I have to know: do you think you're being subtle or clever? <<Now you say you haven't a clue at all about CGI>>: I didn't say I haven't a clue at all about CGI, I just said I don't work with it. I do know a tiny bit about webpage authoring and a bit about CGI, peripherally if nothing else. Again, that's mostly due to the fact that all my good friends are programmers. What I do know is that if the CGI script was well written, it should transfer with little or no problem. Apparently, I was wrong about how the script was written (that doesn't mean it was written poorly, just that it was written differently from how I thought it would be written). When I said that I couldn't do it myself, I wasn't quite clear enough. I can read code, understand it, and sometimes make suggestions on how to do specific things, but I'm not imaginative enough to sit down and write a program. <<maybe you genuinely think you're being helpful by offering advice>>: Not really. <<on things you really know nothing about>>: I'm sorry, Mr. Dilbert, but did you even read "The Dilbert Principle"? It says that offering advice on things you know nothing about is one of the defining qualities of BEING an engineer. <<hotels and catering>>: Jeez, I bitch about a $60 dinner and suddenly I'm criticizing the catering. <<All I know is there's only two choices in the phrase "put up or shut up.">>: Obviously I've picked a third option. And you'll notice that I'm not going to make any efforts to change the staff's mind about anything, and whatever happens at Gathering is really fine with me in the end, so long as there IS a gathering for me to attend. <<So kindly consider that the next time you want to offer Siryn some more "advice.">>: Fine, I'll shut up now.

Crzy: <<a convention staff would need someone who's a little less talk and a lot more action anyway>>: Just out of curiosity, when have you ever seen me say that I WOULD do something (note, this is different from me saying that I COULD do it) and not follow through?

Spacebabie: <<there were some good looking guys at the 2K gathering>>: Well that's good to know...I'm not a reliable judge of which males in the fandom are good looking... <<Well since I don’t know what Sorrow looks like I can’t really tell you>>: About 5'4 with a dancer body.

Lady Mystic: <<CR Updates>>: Great job! Thanks a lot!

Baldy: <<one could say the Bible itself is possibly the greatest piece of fantasy litterature ever written>>: No, I just say its one of the most popular pieces of fantasy literature ever written.

Shadowrider: <<Nice to see the castle is still holding>>: That seems an odd phrase, given our recent conversations here. <<may the gods bless the unknown creator of these unvaluable devices>>: I hear that! <>: I find the operating system to be far easier to use and far more predictable, and I find hardware to be easier to install and set up. <<being software choice far smaller than PC's, I cannot see the point>>: I see it this way: you have an office suite (MS Office). I have an office suite (Appleworks, though I could have MS office if I wanted). You have first person shooter games. I have first person shooter games. You have art programs. I have art programs. I have yet to see a program on windows that either doesn't have a complement on the Mac AND refuses to run in Virtual PC. And if you still cannot see the point, then how about this: Windows is $400, OS X is $130. Office is $500, Appleworks is $80. Oh, and Windows now has that glorius product activation. And .net. And Passport. And Hailstorm. These are bad things, and only windows has them. <>: The really nice thing is that mac MHz scales to about 1.1-1.6 times as many PC MHz. <<you said it, and now you'll face the consequences>>: LOL...I think she'll wind up doing it just to shut us up. <<AIM sounds good to me. My screen name is shadowriderit>>: Ooh goody. Is it cool if I add you to my buddy list? I'm OakleyPosterBoy.

Sevarius Jr: <<The Wonder Twins made a rather pitiful attempt to punk you out>>: I've had 50-odd classmates try to do it to me in high school. Two adults don't stand a chance. <<You responded with amusing sarcastic criticism>>: How else would I respond? <>: Sucks for my next girlfriend ;-)

Greg X: <<Now I have met both Patrick and Jen in person and they are most definetly not twins>>: I dunno about that one... <>: Talk about dangling a carrot. <<Comedy Central has canceled That's My Bush>>: Bummer!

Silvadel: <>: Are you kidding me!? Microsoft has never been good at marketing! They're only good at bullying other comapnies into buying/using their crap. <<when a technically superior OS/2>>: Technically superior, yes. But not very user-friendly.

Mooncat: <<if you and Josh are the same person, are you clones?>>: Probably. <<If Josh doesn't know how to tweak CGI code himself, yet makes remarks about how easy it is simply because he has room mates who can program, that sounds kind of lame>>: I realize the way I said it sounds bad, but its impossible to grasp how much time I spend with these programmers. Pretty much 90% of my conscious, non-class time is spent talking about computers, code, and programming. You pick up a LOT. And I do know how to tweak code, I've just never tweaked CGI specifically.

DPH: <<What's the difference between a cubicle and a box?>>: The box has something in it other than a human ;-) <<Time Dancer will premiere before the end of time (I hope)>>: Don't bet on it.

Aaron: <<Can I leave you people alone for five minutes without somebody starting a fight? Please?>>: Don't make me kick your ass too. ;-)

Christine: <<extra thanks to Crzy, Patrick, Josh, and SJ for providing the bickering that we might otherwise miss>>: My pleasure. The really nice thing is that while I'm bickering in here, I'm online talking to my actual friends from the CR, just in case they were worried I didn't have any.

Gside: <<Saw Potter today without reading the books>>: I hadn't read them either. But I still liked it. <<Is that what they're calling it nowadays?>>: I thought it was a complement for spanking. <<Though dragons must be relatively small>>: Or be able to shapeshift, like in D&D. <<But Mooncat will be disappionted>>: Not my problem. She doesn't have to show up. <<Sure. It's rather like Calvinball, there are no rules.>>: Thanks. That was terribly useful. <<most people take a disliking to severe beatings>>: Again, not my problem. <<That'd get uncomfortable, especially with the underthings, even should there not be much of a size difference>>: That *IS* the point. <<But how often can you flirt with the same guy>>: Well if you like them, I'd speculate it could be a long time. <<Or the Unix variants, or proabably even Mac OS>>: Definitely. None of the 9x variants of windows hold a candle to their contemporaries on the Mac, but before OS X, NT 4 (5?) was a vastly superior system.

Woo. All that arguing has made me sleepy. And its only 145 too. Oh well. Nite all.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Thursday, November 22, 2001 04:47:57 AM
IP: 206.170.217.198

Saw Potter today without reading the books. Gooj job by John Williams once again on that one. And the rest of the movie wasn't bad either.

Fire Storm> <<So I kicked her to bed>>: Is that what they're calling it nowadays?
<>: So the waveform has been shifted vertically. It's not that hard to get it back.
<<Don’t forget the virgins. ‘Use’ them or eat them! Your choice!>>: Or, depending on your tastes, do both. Though dragons must be relatively small.
<<Coa’s sex fund is in Perverts Row, Whore Chest>>: Ah. Interesting how it moved into a discussion of OCD.
<<They get to paint the eyes on the women>>: Thank you.

Imzadi> <>: Just convince a group of females to take a trip to Jusenkyo. Then every time it rains you can have fun with a kettle. Why don't more females wear pantyhose like that?
<<Has she figured out how to magically get herself off so she can stop worrying about being left>>: I am reminded of the last issue of Spunky Knight.
<<Sorry, but my fantasies have a one-penis limit...MINE>>: But Mooncat will be disappionted.
<<Since I'm not a programmer, could you explain these rules?>>: Sure. It's rather like Calvinball, there are no rules.
<<No, I'm not>>: But most people take a disliking to severe beatings.
<<Well, if its done RIGHT, then ALL the clothing>>: That'd get uncomfortable, especially with the underthings, even should there not be much of a size difference.

Spacebabie> <<plus there was also Thom>>: Ah. But how often can you flirt with the same guy?

Warpmind> <<For those of you who do not understand the humor, look it up. If you dare>>: [benki] (n) bedpan/chamber pot/urinal. Hmm, there's also
[benkyou] (n,vs) study/diligence/discount/reduction/(P), and I think I know where Kintaro Oe got that toilet fetish. You get to see the rest of episode 2 yet?
<<Ask Gside; he's my source of those mp3s>>: Nope, just managed to get one, and it's currently stuck in my dorm.
<<Chafed around the wrists and ankles, maybe,
but nothing more...>>: Except for the unmentionables.
<<My screen name is shadowriderit>>: Gside42
<>: Sorry about that, I won't be on until after the weekend.
<>: GMT -4 now (adjusting for Daylight Savings Time), else GMT -5
<>: Give me the artist and title, and I might be able to find it on my own.

Silvadel> <<when a technically superior OS/2 was available>>: Or the Unix variants, or proabably even Mac OS.

And a Happy Thanksgiving to all, even the internationals. Have some turkey, it's got an enzyme to put you to sleep.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:39:40 AM
IP: 24.4.252.72

Happy Thanksgiving a little early, all. For those of us who don't get to spend it with our extended families this year, extra thanks to Crzy, Patrick, Josh, and SJ for providing the bickering that we might otherwise miss ; )

Off to work I go.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:17:50 AM
IP: 64.24.187.154

Can I leave you people alone for five minutes without somebody starting a fight? Please?

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:05:41 AM
IP: 207.222.59.47

**NANITE WEAPONARY**
My plan would be to send the DNA code out to the millions of nanites. Yes, it would seek out a very specific target, but I trust looking for DNA sequences more than I trust the nanites after a picture of an object. Scanning the DNA should be rather hasty. All you would need is a base set of a billion or so nanites to keep production up, right?
**END NANITE WEAPONARY**

**DBZ questions**
Are Gohan and the Supreme Kai really dead when we see them last or are they merely unconscius?

Actually, I was thinking of more creative ways of using the dragon to take care of Buu:
1)Transporting Buu's shell to the center of a planet that has no atmosphere
2)Create an immortal creature that surrounds Buu's shell at all times
**END DBZ comments**

Imzadi - What's the difference between a cubicle and a box?

SJ - thanks for the information about JAG and Law & Order. Admittedly, the plot for Law & Order always falls in one of basic three categories and you never know which category it is going to be.

Top Things DPH is thankfull
1)The CR does not take me seriously when I try to be mean
2)I'm on TGS staff
3)I discovered Daniel Johnson
4)Time Dancer will premiere before the end of time (I hope)
5)My back is getting better
6)David G is as smart if not smarter than me
7)1+1=3
8)I can be myself in the CR
9)I have cats who follow me
10)I can write this partial list with funny items included
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:55:37 PM
IP: 204.94.193.57

SJ -- hey! Jen is *my* twin! *grins evilly* But if you and Josh are the same person, are you clones? If so, you two could probably pass as twins too.

Actually, Patrick does have a point. If Josh doesn't know how to tweak CGI code himself, yet makes remarks about how easy it is simply because he has room mates who can program, that sounds kind of lame. I had a room mate who makes fabulous soft sculptured dragons and makes her own mead, yet I wouldn't tell a beginner how "easy" it is simply because I know *someone else* who could do it easily.

But no need for people's tempers to explode. Obviously Patrick's humorous rebuke struck a personal sore point with Josh. Cubicle phobia, we can all relate to one degree or another. *^_^* Me, my pet job phobia is being a lawyer. Gah! I'd rather be a cubicle slave than a lawyer. But what I really want to be when I grow up is a pro writer and artist. Yes, some day I'd like to actually be paid to do the things I love *^_^* --Either that or become a space pirate.

~faith~
" Quo de futuris non est determinata omnino veritas."
For the future, none can be determined with an absolute truth.

Mooncat
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:48:36 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Have you ever seen more stupid commercials than the ones for X box? I cant believe Microsoft is dropping the ball so badly on what they do best -- marketing... This is the same company that controlled all aspects of the market masterfully to make the inferior product Windows 9x be on peoples desktops when a technically superior OS/2 was available.
silvadel
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:46:57 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

This is old news, but I thought some of you would be interested in this.

From GIST.com:
Bush Gets Vetoed
==============
George W. Bush is getting kicked out of the White House. But before you start rejoicing, or mourning, it's the sitcom Dubya who's getting the boot. Comedy Central has canceled That's My Bush, the White House satire created by South Park's Trey Parker and Matt Stone, after only eight episodes, Reuters reports.

The series, which garnered so-so ratings, starred Timothy Bottoms as a typical bumbling sitcom husband, only he happened to occupy the Oval Office. Stone said Comedy Central canceled the series because at almost $1 million per episode, it was the network's costliest show.

Parker and Stone don't plan to retire the Dubya character, though: The pair said they hope to star the "president" in a movie called George Bush & the Secret of the Glass Tiger, according to Reuters. "We're going to turn him into a superhero who battles the enemies of the country, in this case the Chinese," Stone said. "We want it to look like a John Woo action movie."
Greg "Xanatos" Bishansky
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 09:42:12 PM
IP: 216.179.4.12

SJ> <<The Wonder Twins made a rather pitiful attempt to punk you out.>> Wonder Twins? Now I have met both Patrick and Jen in person and they are most definetly not twins ;)

TODD> My brother Alex (who occasionally lurks in this room) started "Lord of the Rings" early this week and is currently on chapter 7. He has made it a goal of his to keep ahead of you. My fault though, I said you were a bigger reader than he is so he's out to prove me wrong ;)

"It has been six weeks since Saddam Hussein was killed by a pack of wild boars. And the world couldn't be happier."
-Reporter "South Park, Bigger, Longer and Uncut"
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 08:52:43 PM
IP: 216.179.4.12

Josh: The Wonder Twins made a rather pitiful attempt to punk you out. You responded with amusing sarcastic criticism.

Holy Jesus, I think we really are the same person.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 08:31:57 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Because I probably won't get online tomorrow... Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Josh > This was your exact reply to Siryn:

<<If its not ONE thing..its another>>: Welcome to the internet. <>: Good girl! <<was on an entirely different server from www.gargoyles-fans.org so that's why I can't use it. <:) And CGI script isn't as simple as copying and pasting code, you have to modify the perl for your particular server and page>>: Yeah, but that is REALLY easy. Especially for a script like that, which can't be that long.

You spoke there as if you had done this before and knew exactly what she needed to do, and couldn't understand why she was having trouble. Now you say you haven't a clue at all about CGI... so let me be the first to apologize for assuming you knew anything. I'm sure when Crzy gets back after the holiday, she'll apologize too. I don't know... maybe you genuinely think you're being helpful by offering advice on things you really know nothing about, like CGI code and hotels and catering. All I know is there's only two choices in the phrase "put up or shut up." So kindly consider that the next time you want to offer Siryn some more "advice."

P.S. - You'll also be pleased to now that tomorrow I will indeed "stuff it." The turkey, that is. :P
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 08:09:03 PM
IP: 66.72.201.91

TODD> Yes those are indeed good chapters. The Ringwraiths are one of my favorite elements in the story. SOmething appealing about them. As for the action figures, while the commercials are extremely cheesy (hey all toy commercials are), the figures themselves are not that bad. I've picked up Gandalf, Saruman and two Ringwraiths (one is on a horse). They're pretty well made. And I'm a sucker for good action figures. I can understand why one may not like them, but I rather like them. Collecting action figures is something I never quite outgrew.

JOSH> <<Maybe he'll try to kill Buffy.>> One can only hope.

PATRICK> <<Might finish it some day if I can find the time.>> Try and find the time. THe books are well worth it.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 07:30:06 PM
IP: 216.179.1.152

I read the next two chapters of LotR today; now I'm up to Chapter Four. These are the two chapters that introduce the Black Riders in the book; they're probably among Tolkien's most effectively chilling antagonists, especially the snuffling coming from under their hoods and the wailing cries that spook the hobbits.

One thing that struck me this time around was that Tolkien introduces a lot of background about the Elves in the book in a way that has a "knowledge-taken-for-granted" tone to it. For example, the first Elves that Frodo meets (in Chapter Three) are singing a hymn to Elbereth when they arrive (which scares off a Black Rider); Frodo mentions that the song is about Elbereth, but no explanation is given in the story at that point as to precisely who she is. The Elf leader, Gildor, introduces himself as of "the House of Finrod" and his people as being Exiles, but no explanation is given here either as to what the backstory is; we only find that out later on in the book. (In fact, this was all information that Tolkien developed in "The Silmarillion", long before he began writing LotR). I suddenly found myself wondering what that must have been like for a first-time reader of LotR, especially since "The Silmarillion" wasn't published until long after LotR was.

Incidentally, they've actually started showing commercials for action figures for the upcoming movie; I saw one this afternoon while watching "X-Men: Evolution". It depicted the members of the Fellowship pitted against orcs, a cave-troll, and a Black Rider. I've got to admit that I'm not entirely sure that I like the merchandising concept, but at least it could lead to people reading the book.

Updating the Chronicles of Narnia? And making the Pevensies Americans? Both sound very, very wrong to me. *shudders*
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 06:59:47 PM
IP: 168.191.102.98

Warpmind -- You are in tune with the elements of change as opposed to the environmental elements. Any of the combinations are possible... Just depends on the person -- and some people are balanced elementwise. Myself, I am very good in air and water.. I am passable for earth. Fire gives me problems -- even at a level where it manifests itself as me being allergic to cigarette/cigar smoke, and most incense sets me off also.

So yes, I guess a swimming flying dragon would fit me and do nothing balancewise.
silvadel
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 06:29:38 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Patrick and Crzy: You two can both stuff it as far as I'm concerned. What I do know is that slightly modifying a cgi-script should be easy for someone who's working with them. I know this because I live with three programmers, two of which have extensive backgrounds in web-work. *I* can't do it myself, I'll admit.

Just because I'm not expending my efforts helping YOU doesn't mean I'm useless by any stretch of the imagination. When I say that I have work, I mean it. Lab reports to write. Lab reports to review. Midterms to study for. Problem sets to complete. Classes to attend.

Yes, I am loafing this week. Why? Because I'm on vacation. That's what I do when I'm on vacation. I'm not criticizing Siryn for having trouble modifying the script at all. I'm thrilled she's so devoted. After all, I'm not doing it, so someone has to.

Now as to Patrick's insistence that I'm gonna be a cubicle drone, I will not. Period. Even if I have to go to law school and become a lawyer to do avoid it. I have better things to do with my life than work in an office with no windows.

In conclusion, what you say about my future really is useless. I don't know what I want to do with the rest of today, let alone what I'm going to do with the rest of my life, and quite frankly neither do you. But I do know what I don't want to do. And I won't be caught doing it. I'm a student, and I'm living a student's life. If you've got a problem with it, I suggest you take your jealous butt back to school.
Josh
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 05:49:56 PM
IP: 206.170.217.138

Hey hey everyone! Nice to see the castle is still holding...

Replies!

Josh:><<Battery backup works quite nicely, as I discovered the other day when the power DID go off.>> Battery backup units...may the gods bless the unknown creator of these unvaluable devices!
<< 1600 MHz of Altivec-powered love. >> Hm...you know, I've never understood exactly how many people seem to find in Mac systems. I tried working on them, but I found very little advantages compared to a PC of the same generation...and so, being software choice far smaller than PC's, I cannot see the point. Anyway, I slightly envy your Mhz rating...my single 500 Mhz PIII is beginning to show its limits...:(

Niamhgold:> <email> Hey, don't worry, there's no haste at all! I just asked because my email server is playing some tricks lately, and I wanted to male sure my mail did actually reach you. Take all the time you need for replying (if you feel the need to), if the gods will want I will be here...;)
<<I'm going to wish I never mentioned the possibility>> "Be aware of what you say, cause our words sometimes are more dangerous for us than the knife of an assassin!" Meaning: you said it, and now you'll face the consequences...;D

Fire Storm:> <<That sounds like the prefect thing for distributed processing>> Yes, and I think it is right what they do indeed.

Gside:> <<Well, you could always try to find me on AIM or MSNIM. >> AIM sounds good to me. My screen name is shadowriderit. I will probably be online later tonight, at about 24:00 Italian time (I don't know exacly where you are, so I cannot tell you your corresponding hour). Or, if you cannot, we could arrange another time. I eventually propose Morpheus as a place for meeting, if you can access it.

Nothing more, I think! See everyone!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 01:44:41 PM
IP: 213.213.20.249

*Warpmind wanders in, pondering.*
Well, the LOTR trailer is REALLY getting to my nerves now... it's on TV constantly these days... and I hear that choir in the background, and then I hear Puck say "Was it a dream, or a prophecy?"... It's ANNOYING! Still gonna see the movie, though...

Skippy: D&D is harmless, and can only augment imagination and creativity. But there is NO WAY I'm sitting down to mess with an ouija board. Those things REALLY scare me. And, I might add, that happens to be one of the exceedingly few things that frighten me, as well. But aside from that bit, I wholeheartedly agree - the extremists who fight roleplaying games and fantasy... one may wonder, what is it they fear? That people might start using their own imagination instead of blindly following their religious leaders? Tsk; if taken as-is, one could say the Bible itself is possibly the greatest piece of fantasy litterature ever written. (Do note that I myself don't hold that opinion, but if that statement intrigues you, take a look at it... resurrection... splitting water... burning bushes... jars that never become empty... a great many elements frequently found in fantasy stories...)

Silvadel: I know there's a Mensa Norway. And thanks for those numbers; I hadn't found *those* myself... past tense, of course. I could, if I were to look seriously for them.

By the way, there were a few folks at the library today, playing that Pokémon card game... and one of the players happened to speak Japanese (I knew her from a while back; she just came back from a year's study in Japan; some exchange thing) and I casually asked if anyone had "Benkimon"... Most of the players were pretty much transfixed when they asked who "Benkimon" was, but she... *Wicked chuckle* she utterly failed to contain her laughter when I went into a long yarn about how "Benkimon" was the white water-type one with the crappy moves... it took a *long* time before she became coherent enough to explain what "benki" means... };) (For those of you who do not understand the humor, look it up. If you dare.)

Emambu: Wings of Honneamise? Sorry; no clue. Ask Gside; he's my source of those mp3s...

Silvadel again: A dragon would balance you out element-wise? Don't be too sure... Close as I recall, the original Gargouille was a water-dragon... ;) (Odd that you should mention it, though... I've made some estimates on myself... seems to me my two stronger elements are Water, then Fire, with Air and Earth on the lower end... I can't really figure out entirely how that is possible, but it's what it looks like to me...)

Spacebabie: Your dad's coming to G'02, and you can't flirt with him around? Noooo problem. *Starts assembling a preposterous device made out of 2x4's and cord.* We'l just conveniently make sure he's tied up for the weekend, hmh? };) (Don't worry - he won't be harmed. Chafed around the wrists and ankles, maybe, but nothing more...)

Fire Storm: Breasts in binary? *Blink* Dude, you oughtta look up an old puzzle game called "Sexy Droids"... I think the artist's name is Hajime Sorayama, though I'm not 100% certain... I'm sure you'd see the appeal of it. };)

The Narnia movies: MODERN setting? WHAAAAAA? But... but... but... WWII was the REASON for why the four kids went to the old doc's place to begin with... *Shudders* What's next? The Real World locations are in America, and the kids are sent to a temporary foster home while dad's off to fight in Afghanistan? *Taps temple* I wouldn't put THAT kind of stupidity past Disney these days, either... õõ

DPH: Nanite weapons, such as you describe, are not what I'd like to see in use. I prefer the grand scale-type of weapons, that can home in on any individual target, in such a fashin that the inevitable is evident a reasonable time, like three hours or so, in advance. Of course, without any hope of escape.

Well, that about concludes my post... Soon, there's an HG Wells miniseries on Hallmark... and I am definitely going to catch that. So later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 01:26:52 PM
IP: 193.217.201.132

***** TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATE *****

The index page has been revised. Text is now displayed in an easier to read format. For the most part, only text layout was changed. However, a brief introduction to the forum was added to the top of the page.

Due to the slight change in the arrangement of links on the index page, the navigation of each CR info page was revised. The text layout of each CR info page was also revised to match the index page.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/

Due to the change in administration over the past several weeks, the admin page was updated with the most recent data and the events were logged on the timeline.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/admins.html
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/timeline.html

The CR archive has been updated to include weeks from October 13, 2001 to November 17, 2001 for a total of 5 weeks added to the 2001 database.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2001/

The content layout for all image pages (Images and Other Image archives) has been somewhat altered. However, no data was significantly changed.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/images/
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/other/

A number of pic requests submitted within the past several months have been fulfilled. Changes have been made to the necessary pages to accommodate new data.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/requests.html
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/other/met/

Two new images (both originating from the same image) were added to the New Images page. The CR pics were created due to an image I acquired to fulfill a pic request. It will be included in the next poll (to be announced) for new CR images. (If it is to become available for use, it will either compliment the pre-existing CR pic of the same character or replace said pic.)

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/other/new/
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/images/st.html

New CR pics for TGS staff members can be viewed at the following URL. I need to know (from TGS staffers) which images are acceptable to add to the CR. More information is available on the page. Please note that the images can't be used in this forum until the next CR update. (I will be contacting Gorebash shortly with a number of issues related to this forum in the hopes of working out an easier method of updating, among other things.)

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/other/staffpics.html

The CR member profile guidelines page was revised with the information I had posted in the forum several weeks ago. As far as I know, the guidelines are now complete. We just have one more thing to work out and then I will start accepting submissions for CR member profiles.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/guidelines.html

I updated the CR member profile submission page to include larger textarea form fields and altered the wording of one category's directions to be more concise. I will accept profile submissions as soon as I can get formmail features working properly. I apologize for the long delay in form activation.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/submit.html

Several things have been left for another update because I still have work to do one them, including: TGS website revision, CGI work for profile submissions, and additional CR images. I can't guarantee when the next forum update will be but I assure you that I am working on it.

***** END TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATE *****

A number of people are expecting emails from me. I will email all of them as soon as I can, which will probably be after I catch up on my sleep after pulling yet another 'all nighter'. (I lost count after the 5th night.) ... Enjoy the update! :)
Lady Mystic - [<-- TGS CR INFO UPDATE]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:10:15 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

The past few days were crazy.
Monday..spent it rehearsing for tuesday. Went to class and at night worked on my journal. The stupid printer in my room was being evil again so I saved it to disk and gave it to my brother. He printed my wrok when he was done with his assingments.(Yes he actually did something nice for me.)

Tuesday. Well my group performed our scene from King Lear. We did it set in 1970's London. Roy and I were in buisness suits, James just wore a pair of shorts and Dana dressed as a punk for the Fool and wore a hat, and trenchcoat for Gloucster. I am glad I got through it without throwing up or fainting((those were my biggest fears)).

************SPOILERS FOR ANGEL AND BUFFY********************
Angel...Whoa. I felt a little sorry for Holtz that not only did Angelus and Darla kill his family but sired his daughter forcing him to kill her. Poor Lorne, the guy was about to open, now he had to remodel again. I wonder if that means we get to see the Furies again. "hmmmmmm Angel"
The prophesy was right. There was a death, I had a feeling Darla was going to die so that her son will be born, but I didn't expect to see her stake herself.

Buffy:Amy's back, poor girl sh thought she was a rat for only a few weeks, she even had a crush on Larry(I miss Larry.) I think Willow raised her just so she had someone to perform spells with her.
Buffy came back wrong and talk about bringing down the house.
**************************SPOILERS END**********************

I have read all four Harry Potter Books.
I haven't seen the movie.
I will see the movie after Thanksgiving.
I HAVEN'T read any of the LOTR books.
I WILL see the movie.

Mandoln>>>Ok you get to kick the head of CBS’s ass I get to ream the head of the WB.

Kyryn>>>We had clouds too, since I knew what the weather was in advance I decided to sleep in.

Gside>>> Hey there were some good looking guys at the 2K gathering…plus there was also Thom!

SJ<<<BTW, you all know that the only reason Greg has acted like a dick to those people is because I wasn’t here to do it, so by proxy someone had to be the asshole of the CR. Now I’ve come back to reclaim my title! >>> Here ye Here ye ::places the crown back on SJ’s head::<<Oh, like Josh said, I’ll stare anyway.
Especially if you look like SOROW, but don’t tell her I said that. ;) >>>Well since I don’t know what Sorrow looks like I can’t really tell you.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:58:17 AM
IP: 64.159.110.110

Patrick - BWAAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!

Josh - yeah, I can see how that wouldnt work out, a convention staff would need someone who's a little less talk and a lot more action anyway...
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:56:15 AM
IP: 63.28.181.180

Picture if you will, an office in any town, in any place of the country... where the cast of Dilbert engages in a conversation very similar to both a dialog that just transpired here and one that those of us who work in offices have seen repeated over and over at work many times:

* * * * *

Dilbert: (staring at his computer) This is hard. I can't make it work.
Wally: (wandering past aimlessly as he often does) Fah, that stuff is easy. You should be done by now. Hurry up, I need to use that.
Dilbert: No, really... it's hard. I've been trying all day and no matter what I try, I can't make it work.
Wally: What's wrong with you? I could have that working in in five seconds.
Alice: (stopping to peek over the divider wall as she walks past) Hey, if you're such a big shot expert, why don't you shut up and help do it then?
Wally: Can't. Sorry. No time. (wanders away to loaf)
Dilbert and Alice: (shaking fists of death at the useless Wally)

* * * * *

Yep... I won't name any names, but I think someone here is a lot closer to joining the ranks of the Cubicle Men than he wants to believe. ;)
:: leaves a delayed noogie for Crzy and jogs off to his own little 8'x10' piece of the American dream ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 06:59:11 AM
IP: 66.72.204.175

Good evening.

Well, after crashing at about 330 last night, I woke up at about noon today...and promptly did NOTHING.

I noticed my brother has a picture on his door that says "You are now entering a Mac World". Woo hoo! I've converted yet another one!

And then my mom made seafood gumbo, and at some later point I did more of nothing.

Doing nothing is good. I should find a way to get paid for this.

Crzy: <<Sounds to me like you are volunteering to help Si out>>: No, because that would sound like "Hey Si, let me know if you need my help". <<quit yer bitchin' and start HELPING!>>: Two things: first, that wasn't bitching, and second, NO. There's a reason I don't join the Gathering staff...I'm way too busy.

The Wizard: <<I'm posting from home>>: Isn't it great!? <<Either way, I get free software>>: I'm working on getting a full, legal copy of Office v.X for $7.50. <<my car's still in Baltimore, so that's bad>>: Just steal your mom's. <<this holiday consists of work, eating, drawing, and more work. And some sleep>>: Sounds vaguely familiar, except I'll be writing stead of drawing, and there will only be one work session ;-) <<Monsters Inc. was good enough for me>>: Which I still haven't seen. <<you're on top again this time>>: Woohoo! <>: Probably not. <<Where do you stand on Swiftly?>>: I don't think I ever finished that one. <<Maybe that's why it never worked>>: LOL. <<Or a cherry. No nuts, though>>: That sentence had so many dirty jokes in it that I'm just gonna stare. <<My roomie's personality must be rubbing off>>: Is that a good or a bad thing? <>: Really now? <<Chocolate?>>: Sure, if that's what floats your boat. <<My stuff is technically protected, but, still...>>: Yeah...my apartment is locked, and my tower is locked to my desk...why do I still not feel safe? <<Let's see what kind of record I can break when I drive home for Christmas...and in the probable snowstorms>>: Don't you dare die on us ;-) <<And we know you will>>: Lets see, 50 dual-processor G4's or a quarter of my dream property...or maybe just a new Jeep, an SLK430, and a nice apartment in the city. <<I'm going to wish I never mentioned the possibility>>: Yeah, probably, unless we see it ;-) <<if you can avoid being my brother...no problem!>>: You lived with him for 15 years, I'm sure another 6 hours wouldn't kill you ;-) <<Plus, there are some...sexual connotations>>: Worse than penne pasta? <<Watch it...I'm really competitive>>: This is not a competition you'd want to win.

FS: <<so I kicked her to bed>>: You dictator you. <<Now that's just silly>>: Only as silly as the thought of me commanding an army. <<Maybe one day I will get one for my PC>>: Actually, they only work on PC with a special graphics card with ADC ports...and I think that card is a few hundred dollars, making it a 3000 monitor for you. <>; Well, I've never seen one of these monitors screw up, nor have I seen any problems with bus-powered burners or hard drives. <<the cache folder for my internet works very well>>: True, but how do you remember them? <<On some systems, there is a dot in the middle of that zero>>: Yes, but I wasn't sure how to reproduce that here. <<Those nukes I have in my trunk don't count?>>: Nope. <<a random date generator>>: Now THAT would be funny: "Timedancer is on haitus as of Jan 1, 1904" <<Sounds like the perfect thing for distributed processing>>: Or the beowulf cluster of G4's I haven't built yet. <<My dirty little mind read that as ORGASM>>: But that's already an explosion. <<'Use' them or eat them!>>: Those could be the same thing... <<They get to paint the eyes on the women>>: Now THAT I can't wait to see.

Greg X: <<Buffy does not love Spike. She will never love Spike. She's just using him for sex>>: Maybe she could use me for sex instead? <<He was going to kill that woman before the chip stopped him. There's a lot more of the old Spike left in there than I thought>>: Maybe he'll try to kill Buffy.

Sevarius Jr: <<It's love, Vampire Slayer style>>: Kinky. <<Maybe it'll spice up when he bangs her (and he will)>>: Color me jealous. <<rearranging consonants is fun!>>: LOL. SO true. <<She changes her, and poof, naked girl on her bed.>>; I need to learn that trick. <<we learn that Spike's chip isn't working. Did I miss something>>: Now their sex life gets REALLY twisted, as they repeatedly beat each other up...and then f*ck. <<it happens to every male at some point, my friend>>: Maybe you. Not me. <<f he ever laid a finger upon my Gundam model kits (put together with careful love and attention)>>: Please tell me you paint them. That there's some actual SKILL invovled. <<does Willow have NO desire for men anymore?>>: Terrible, isn't it? A mac-using hot chick, and wouldn't you know it? Gay. <<Spike pulls an Ike Turner on her>>: That was a scary image the first time I read it (when I hadn't actually seen the ep yet). Now its funny since she beats him too. <<What is this, Klingon foreplay?>>: Slay-play. <<they're humping right there against the wall>>: That was a little graphic for WB. I was worried I'd accidentally flipped to Red Shoe Diaries. <<Willow seeks out new and exciting magical thrills>>: Has she figured out how to magically get herself off so she can stop worrying about being left? <<Buffy has returned as a demon>>: Ooh how about this: what if she returned as a vampire?! <<Law and Order, IMO, is one of the best series on TV, and is a classic>>: I agree. And despite the formulaic plot of each episode, I never get bored with it.

Sorow: <<By the way, that's probably one of the sweetest things I've ever heard>>: Oh sure, when he hits on you its sweet.

Patrick: <<Bed Linen was on the fourth floor>>: LOL!

DPH: <<The only problems is making the nanites DNA specific and mass producing them>>: You only need two, then they can mate. <>: I know exactly what you mean. <<Why can't "JAG" be axed>>: Someone keeps paying for it. <<how many seasons has "Law & Order" had?>>: Are we counting spin-offs?

Lynati: <<Everybody knows I have virtually no life outside my fic>>: You!? I have trouble believing that...nah, just kidding. <>: We're not so complicated, really. <<turns out general consensus among the students is that the teacher is a condescending prick>>: Try engineering. <<Why was this comment directed towards me?>>: Because you said something about "what she should do". <>: As a female, you can implant ideas in her head. <>: I can only hope.

Gside: <<Can I come?>>: Sorry, but my fantasies have a one-penis limit...MINE. <<It's better a box with naked legs under it than a girly boy holding himself in the cold>>: Yeah I suppose so. <<truly extended consiousnesses operate under different rules>>: Since I'm not a programmer, could you explain these rules? <<Possibly, but they're either going to be lesbians, frat groupies, or from the ghetto. Sadly, the lesbians don't get it on in public often>>: Curses. Where are all the hot straight chicks? Oh right...they're in LA. Where I am. Right now. Hey... <<the series gives you coefficients, the transform gives you another function, namely the integral from negative infinity to infinity of the function times e^(-jw) dw, where j is root -1, and w is omega or frequency>>:My bad. Its a series. <<You're assuming the warning was for our benefit, not theirs.>>: No, I'm not. <<During, assuming a liberal definition of gifts, and a literal definition of shower.>>: Nice! <<You can get them in metal nowadays>>: That sounds very unpleasant. <<All clothing, or just the outer shell? And do they get extra points if they are just wearing the outer shell?>>: Well, if its done RIGHT, then ALL the clothing. "SKIN TO WIN! SKIN TO WIN!"

And with that lovely image, I'll go to sleep.

I'm free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally. -Unknown
Josh "Imzadi" WUrzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
LOS ANGELES!, CA, US of A
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 03:12:13 AM
IP: 206.170.217.133

Shadowrider> <<The file I'm trying to send is about 5MB sized. Is there any chance for you to receive it?>>: Well, you could always try to find me on AIM or MSNIM.

Imzadi> <<Throw a wild orgy in her apartment...and invite me!>>: Can I come?
<<Boxes are not for wearing>>: It's better a box with naked legs under it than a girly boy holding himself in the cold.
<<Probably not>>: Aww.
<<So, conceivably, a Jolt-addicted programmer could experience a 168 hour (or longer) day?>>: Possibly, but truly extended consiousnesses operate under different rules.
<<But other campuses have something your campus doesn't: new hot chicks>>: Possibly, but they're either going to be lesbians, frat groupies, or from the ghetto. Sadly, the lesbians don't get it on in public often.
<<Yes, but with a transform all the computer has to do is store a set of coefficients>>: No, the series gives you coefficients, the transform gives you another function, namely the integral from negative infinity to infinity of the function times e^(-jw) dw, where j is root -1, and w is omega or frequency.
<<Now I know where you get your weirdness from>>: Yes. I have known for a long, long time myself.
<>: My point.
<>: Oh well. And I messed up the command. rm -r /
<<That applies only to attractive females, not newbies>>: You're assuming the warning was for our benefit, not theirs.
<<Before or after sex?>>: During, assuming a liberal definition of gifts, and a literal definition of shower.
<<Hope you didn't get any splinters>>: You can get them in metal nowadays.
<<Two male-female con-virgin pairs race each other to switch clothing>>: All clothing, or just the outer shell? And do they get extra points if they are just wearing the outer shell?

Niamhgold> <<Isn't that the best?>>: Not from my perspective. But that's why I used the gender specific form of guys.
More later.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 02:16:13 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

*In*
Well, the two tests be done. yay.

Emambu : << Don't you just love my curiosity? ;) >> Yes. Everybody knows I have virtually no life outside my fic. ;) <<Remember to give me a call when you get in if you'd like a free ride to and from the station.>> Shweet. I’m kinda going to need that number before I can use it, though. <<Hunky gargoyles could alo work...>> I meant males in general. I have a difficult time with them. Although, my recent figure studies have been shaping up nicely. But I don;t think it matters now; I’m currently feeling too stupid to say anything more on the subject.
<< luck in the upcoming semester.>> Thanks. I already have to change one of my classes, tho; turns out general consensus among the students is that the teacher is a condescending prick. <<Whereas I still have to prove my existence in this room.>> Come to the Gathering, the great proving grounds of old...<<Ooh... could I possibly see some of your artwork as well?>> sure, why not. <> maybe one.<< my website address: emambu@commanchamber.net holds a LOT more than my hotmail account, so it'd be easy to send it there.>> I sent it as a group send, and got the reply that it failed to deliver to that address. I had to send it seperately to your regular one. Sorry.

Siofra: <heads up> Yer welcome.

Imzadi: <> Thank you. <<Throw a wild orgy in her apartment...and invite me! >> Why was this comment directed towards me? I don’t have any say in the orgy-throwings at her apartment. I don;t even know if she has an apartment. Or orgies.<> *shrugs* I’ve randomly sat on it from time to time for over a year now.

I missed Buffy...and it sounded like an Episode I actually wanted to see, too.
I’ll be in Wichita until late Sunday, so while I should have email access, I will not have IM.

Lynati Kshudra - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 01:33:44 AM
IP: 205.184.191.176

I'm play Hamburger Helper.

Law and Order is running into its (I believe this is accurate) 12th season. And, I think, it's already been renewed through its 15th. It's the longest running drama on TV currently in production, I believe. I think the longest running series still in production is the Simpsons (which predated this show by a year), but I'm not sure.

JAG has been around since 1995, so this is something like it's 7th season season.

The reason both shows are still on the air is because they both do extremely well in the ratings. JAG is somewhat remarkable, as it survived cancellation on one network (I believe NBC) and has become very successful for CBS. It's one of if not the highest rated show in its time slot.

Law and Order, IMO, is one of the best series on TV, and is a classic. I mean that. It's one of the finest pieces of TV being made or has been made in the past. The writing and acting is always good, and the show itself does strong in the ratings. Hell, it's even spawned two spinoffs, "Special Victims Unit" and "Criminal Intent". And it's helped launch the careers of actors like Benjamin Bratt, Chris Noth, Jill Hennessey and Angie Harmon (and we're in their debt for giving us those last two, trust me).
Sevarius Jr.
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:54:09 AM
IP: 207.172.11.148

**NANITE WEAPONARY**
Nanites exploding from the inside of a living organism is, in my mind, one of the best potential weapons. The only problems is making the nanites DNA specific and mass producing them. How's a big strong creature supposedly to fight tiny nanites?

Wilek, any thoughts about this weapon's effectiveness?
**END NANITE WEAPONARY**

Have I mentioned why it is generally NOT a good idea to let me sit down with a book? Why? because when I get into a good book, I tune out the rest of the world, literally. The same thing happens when I get caught up with a math problem or a programming problem.

**JUSTICE LEAGUE**
Dumb question: what would have if Bruce Wayne took a two week vacation and left Gotham City (I'm betting Bruce Wayne hasn't had a real vacation in years, if not decades)? I would imagine Bruce Wayne would want some contigency plans in place. I still believe Bruce Wayne should have been lobbying the city to raise taxes to hire a bigger and well-paid police force, more prison space, and more judges to handle a bigger load.

We finally saw how everyone gets back forth to the space station. A couple of points strike me, though: None of the members of the Justice League, save a few, are superheroes full-time. An alliance of superheroes seems more appropriate than a Justice League.

BTW, I think it is too early in the season for the episode they showed Monday night. I would prefer they build some trust between themselves first.
**END JUSTICE LEAGUE**

BTW, how many seasons has "JAG" had? It must be in it's 12th season by now. Why can't "JAG" be axed? How do they keep finding fresh ideas (if they do)?

Speaking of shows that have been around since the beginning of time, how many seasons has "Law & Order" had?

What is the longest continuing running television series that keeps producing new episodes ever season?
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:01:03 PM
IP: 204.94.193.43

I suppose you could call this my contribution to being counter-culture...

Buffy > I've never watched more than 15 minutes of "Buffy" or any of its spinoffs. I don't intend to start now, but I did think the "Buffy the Umpire Slayer" skit on MAD TV last season was pretty funny. Also... as I read the spoilers people post, I can't help envisioning that if you took away the vampires and martial arts, what you'd have left is an afternoon soap. (Will Willow and Amy find true love in each other's arms? Tune in next time...)

Harry Potter > Haven't read the books... don't want to read the books... not going to read the books. Haven't seen the movie... don't want to pay $8 to see the movie... might catch it on cable next year.

Lord of the Rings > Read "The Hobbit" when I was in 5th grade. Made it about halfway through the Trilogy. Might finish it some day if I can find the time. Probably will see the movie if only because of who's in the cast.
And while I'm busy offending people with my carefree dismisal of their pop icons, I might as well post this, too:

* * * * *

POLAND JOINS THE COALITION

Polish Marines stormed Bloomingdale's Department Store in New York yesterday after its intelligence agency reported that Bed Linen was on the fourth floor.

No injuries were reported.
* * * * *

Thanks to Crzy for sending me that one. ;)

:: scurries out ahead of the flames ::
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 09:29:50 PM
IP: 66.72.195.76

SJ> By the way, that's probably one of the sweetest things I've ever heard.
SOROW
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 09:16:45 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Hey all. Thanks to everyone for the birthday wishes. I go home tomorrow for Thanksgiving and I'm so excited. Cats, movies, and turkey are all I need. :)
SOROW
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 09:14:42 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

***Buffy Spoilers***

It's love, Vampire Slayer style.

Our show begins with Buffy doing her usual thing, kicking ass, and of course Spike has to show up to remind her that they're madly in love or something. There's a problem here....I like Spike...I like Buffy....and the previous Buffy romances have worked for me (unless you count Riley the Nancy Boy, and I know I'm not), yet this new romance does NOTHING for me at all. I yawn. Maybe it'll spice up when he bangs her (and he will).

Willow also finally gets around to de-ratting Amy. Gee, congrats on that one, only took you about 4 years. Here's a cookie for you. And speaking of cookie, that's exactly what I perceived as Willow's motivation for transforming Amy. Her old lit-slicker (rearranging consonants is fun!) has hit the bricks, so she was a little....lonely, shall we say, and there you go. Don't blame me for having a dirty mind. She changes her, and poof, naked girl on her bed. IT'S WHAT SHE WANTED, FOLKS.

The We Suck Trio does some stuff at a museum, for no good reason at all, and then they freeze the guard with their nifty new freeze ray. I have flashbacks to Batman and Robin, and that's NOT a good thing, it's a bad thing. How the hell do you make Batman seem SO gay? I know, I know, there are endless Batman / Robin jokes, but c'mon. That movie would have been less homosexual if Jon freakin' Waters had directed it. Kevin Smith was right to call it, and I quote, "A gay fantasia". Anyway, Amy copes, while Buffy and Willow talk, and everyone seems to gloss over that Willow is slowly morphing into the Wicked Witch of the West. I expect flying monkeys to show up at any point. Hmm. That wouldn't be that bad, on second thought, seeing as those flying monkeys were pretty freaky to me. There's more dramatic stuff between Buffy and Spike, and we learn that Spike's chip isn't working. Did I miss something? I thought it was explained last season that it didn't work anymore, and that all of his problems were psychosomatic. Or maybe I just dreamed that all up.

So Spike tries to eat someone, and doesn't succeed. Hey, it happens to every male at some point, my friend. Well, never ME, of course, but I'm sure other people. Tara and Dawn talk over a big-ass milkshake, and Tara does the old "I feel guilty because I left my lesbian lover and thus have broken up yet another family model for you, little girl" routine, which we've all heard before. Meanwhile, back at Justice League Headquarters, Aquaman and Green Arrow argue over whether or not Black Canary is a natural blonde (I say no). Giles is missed. We learn that the Dumbass Trio has stolen a diamond, which we probably figured out when they first appeared, but I'm so bored by them that I go into minutia and lose all motivation, and thus I can't accurately recall what they were doing at the museum in the first place. But in the next scene, Spike does the unthinkable - he threatens to destroy their action figures. Who says he's not an evil bastard? If he ever laid a finger upon my Gundam model kits (put together with careful love and attention), I would probably cry too. Amy asks Willow out on a date, sort of, thus confirming all of my naughty suspicions. Ten bucks says she winds up a rat again by episode's end. Spike manages to salvage a segment with the Lame Trio, and we're left with the cryptic message that Buffy has changed and Spike's chip is a-okay.

At the Bronze, Amy and Willow talk....and the obligatory lesbian hookup is teased. Query: what, does Willow have NO desire for men anymore? If so, OUCH to Oz. You banged her till she was gay, little buddy. Anyway, of course the two nice boys who danced with Amy HAVE to wind up being asses. At least I wait to show my true colors until the morning after. Oh well, at least there was a funny Ellen joke thrown in there. Buffy, Xander and Anya debate Willow's lack of impulse control concerning magic, and Buffy gets called away to make a love connection. Hey good looking, I'll me you at the cemetery. She doesn't show, so Spike pulls an Ike Turner on her, and we get a hint that Buffy came back WRONG. Now that's genuinely interesting!

Back at the Bronze, Amy and Willow pull some magic hijinks, to the tunes of what seems to be an awful Luscious Jackson cover band. It's all Harry Potter, you know, if Harry Potter was, you know, female or something. Anyway, Buffy and Spike beat the hell out of each other, proving that sometimes love hurts, and sometimes it hurts like a brick being slammed into your noggin. What is this, Klingon foreplay? I guess it is, because hot damn, they're humping right there against the wall. Quick, reverse cowgirl! *looks around* Uh-oh, I think I just gave away something there. Forget I ever used that term.

Anyway, next week: It's everything but the afterglow as we get plain evidence that Buffy and Spike bumped uglies, and Willow seeks out new and exciting magical thrills, as she takes one more step down the road to becoming the Dark Phoenix.

Bottom line: Pretty good episode, this week. Hopefully the show is on an upward curve. We're left with a lot to chew on, with the promise of some cool resolution down the line.

Maybe I was wrong about Amy being ratted again, but even money and inside sources say that Buffy has returned as a demon. You heard it here first.
***END SPOILERS***
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 09:12:34 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

*** BUFFY SPOILERS ***

Best episode all season. Things are picking up.

Okay people, Buffy does not love Spike. She will never love Spike. She's just using him for sex. Before this week, my respect for Joss Whedon was dropping, now it's going back up. People wanted a Buffy-Spike romance, well it ain't happening. It will never happen. This is anything but romance. When all this is done, I guarantee that they will hate each other's guts.

And Spike is still evil. The chip is just what's keeping him from acting on it. He was going to kill that woman before the chip stopped him. There's a lot more of the old Spike left in there than I thought.

Great developments with Willow and Amy. Looking forward to seeing where this goes.

All and all, no complaints. 10/10

*** END BUFFY SPOILERS ***
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 09:06:20 PM
IP: 216.179.1.124

Buffy... Eeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

'nuff said.
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 09:06:17 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

I reread the second chapter of LotR ("The Shadow of the Past") this morning; I would have gone further, but I had a lot of other things to do today. I'll see if I can read a lot more tomorrow.

Chapter Two is the point where we find out the true nature of the Ring, all about Sauron (who was only hinted at in "The Hobbit" and was a distant menace), and even that Gollum used to be a hobbit. This is where the adventure starts to get under way (although Chapter Three is when Frodo actually starts off on his adventures).

For a bit of fun Tolkien trivia, here are a few pieces of info about the early drafts of LotR:

1. Frodo's original name, in the first drafts, was Bingo. When Tolkien began writing LotR, he had originally intended it to be another children's adventure story like "The Hobbit", with a fairly light tone, so "Bingo" seemed appropriate to him then. However, as the story took on a more serious tone with such elements as the Black Riders, he realized that "Bingo" as the name of his hero was no longer a good idea, and changed it to "Frodo", to fit in better with the new atmosphere.

2. In the first drafts, Aragorn was a hobbit named Trotter, who was simply an old friend of Gandalf's and seasoned adventurer without any of the "true King of Gondor" backstory to him; one particular secret of his was that he had wooden feet, due to having been briefly captured and tortured by Sauron and his followers during his adventures. Later on, however, Tolkien decided that Trotter worked better as a human, and redid him as such, turning him into the figure of Aragorn.

3. Gandalf was initially pitted against a Black Rider in Moria, rather than the Balrog.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 07:21:55 PM
IP: 168.191.109.224

LM wanted me to say that she will finish updating the pages tonight.
She wanted to keep going until she either finished or collapsed on her keyboard due to sleep.
So I kicked her to bed. She needed it!

Imzadi: <Oh, and thanks for giving me a junk email addy that I couldn't reply to and making me post this in>
My pleasure!
<See South Park>
Exactly what I was thinking!
<Not if I develop psychic powers>
Now that’s just silly!
<Hell yeah they are. 1600x1024, millions of colors, 160 degree viewing angle.>
Sounds cool! Maybe one day I will get one for my PC (They have them for the PC too)
<All with ONE cable>
I never trust cables that have data AND power in the same cable.
<Is it really such a deliberation?>
Well, there are a little over 200 pics in here already!
But she will add new ones. A few Admin pics, some new requested ones, etc.
<Personally, I prefer line noise for passwords>
I used to use file names. I just did a DIR in a directory and picked a file. The cache folder for my internet works very well.
<No, there are a few other acceptable items of clothing that can be added and still be 'fun". Or at least entertaining>
Clowns? NO! BAD IMAGE! No Sex Bytes! NO! BAD!
<00>
And on some systems, there is a dot in the middle of that zero.
<Nuclear weapons are NOT categorized as "conventional">
No? Damn. So those nukes I have in my trunk don’t count?
<Or hell, fool them and just put a date field that spits out whatever day it is>
I was thinking of a random date generator.

Spacebabie: <How the heck can I FLIRT with my dad around>
Easy! Say “Dad, if you can oogle at the woman with eyes painted on her breats, I can cruise for guys.” :)

Shadowrider: <it would need about six months of continuous working by a Cray-2 class elaborator>
That sounds like the prefect thing for distributed processing.

DPH: <you realize that passwords are changed automatically upon use in the RP computer system. Of course, the computer blocks nearby people from hearing the password>
If it can process, it can be hacked into.
<nanites that invade an organism and explode>
My dirty little mind read that as ORGASM.

Gside: <Endless bestial dragon sex?>
Don’t forget the virgins. ‘Use’ them or eat them! Your choice!
Oh, Coa’s sex fund is in Perverts Row, Whore Chest

Aingeal: <working 7 hours as a server>
WOW! I have been here for months and I still haven’t been able to be the server!
But I get to run programs on the servers! :)

SJ: <So, when’s the new season of TGS coming out?>
I don’t have that info with me. Ask me again later.

Christine: 
They get to paint the eyes on the women! ;)

Niamhgold: <Ah. Right. Okay, moving on to steaming people to death>
Add a little lemon and butter and you have a nice little meal in under 15 minutes!
Fire Storm
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 06:41:51 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

JEN> <> Almost everyone I know is either reading the book for the first time, or re-reading it. <> Great book. Love the bits with Gollum, and the part where Gandalf breaks Saruman's staff. <> These books are so addictive. <> I'll be sure to check in with you. <<As for the chapter you are reading currently, I love the forboding of hearing Bilbo actually call the ring "precious". It totally gave me the chills. :)>> That was a great scene. The whole book is great, but that scene in particular rocks, especially if you've read "The Hobbit" just before reading it.

As for where I am in the books, I'm currently reading "The Return of the King". The battle of Pelinor is over, Eowyn slayed the Lord of the Nazgul, King Theodin died and Lord Denethor set himself on fire. And Aragorn healed Eowyn, Faramir and Merry and now they are preparing to march on Mordor.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 05:06:56 PM
IP: 216.179.7.92

Whoops. Forgot something:

Happy belated, Jan :)

Adios!
Niamhgold
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:50:41 PM
IP: 208.197.116.190

*** Niamhgold enters **

Hey, people! I'm posting from home :) It's good to be off-campus, even with the work I have to do, and especially cool to be able to spend as much time at work as possible...luckily the little economic slump either hasn't hit them yet, or has passed them by. Either way, I get free software, and paid GD time. Whoo!

Otherwise, I'm trying to navigate myself around my family. We're all doing our own thing, which is good, but my car's still in Baltimore, so that's bad (I wasn't going to drive home just for Thanksgiving). So I have to find a way to get around without my car. Other than that, though, this holiday consists of work, eating, drawing, and more work. And some sleep. No big family reunion-type things this year ;)

And Harry Potter? Blah. Not going to see it. Monsters Inc. was good enough for me.

Meteor shower was good. Went with a couple friends to a nearby park. I wasn't aware that the Leonids were gonna be this good this year...and scary thing is, they're one of the little subjects in the story I was writing for my narrative class. Maybe I should change them to the Taurids...

Jeez, I wrote way too much about me. Moving on to replies!:

Daddy: Well, I'm switching 'em up, and now you're on top again this time. Really? I wonder if this means that I'm immortal, too. <Relying on someone else for something so mission critical...never> Ditto. <Wrinkle RULES> POINT! Where do you stand on Swiftly? <Don't encourage him> Yeah. He sure doesn't seem to need it ;) <Or it could feel really good, ya never know> Maybe a little of both? <Its green M&M's...> Whoops. Maybe that's why it never worked ;) <Especially when mixed with strawberries and whipped cream> Or a cherry. No nuts, though ;) <Didn't know you were such a slut ;-)> My roomie's personality must be rubbing off...like the rest of her makeup. ;) <I'll work for mocha frapps> Heh. One of my jobs back in tenth grade involved me having to _make_ mocha frapps. I know 89% of all ice cream flavors and the different ways to prepare them ;) <Some day...> I'm not going to encourage you <Would you rather live a long time as a virgin or a shorter time and not be one> Who knows. <You assume I have no knowledge of biology> I assumed no such thing. <They were up till 8AM, talking quite loudly. I'm surprised I got any sleep at all> Whoa. Me, too. <No idea what that meant? Oh well, its not important> Good. <Piece of cake> Chocolate? <Oh well, at least all that's there to steal is...everything> Yeah. Kinda like my thoughts on leaving two days earlier than everyone else and leaving aspects of the apartment available to both my roommate's questionable friends. My stuff is technically protected, but, still... <Yes, that's a 4:40 drive, a new record (our old record was 4:50)! > All right! Awesome ;) Let's see what kind of record I can break when I drive home for Christmas...and in the probable snowstorms ;) <I'll just have to buy 50 then! ;-)> And we know you will ;)

Gside: <Right didn't post becuase Metal Gear Solid 2 is an increadibly addicting game. Just to watch> Heck ya! They really went all out. I can't wait to come back from Thanksgiving and watch/play until the end of the game ;) <Who is able to do cartwheels and crawl> Isn't that the best? ;)

FS: <If done right, no blood, no mess> Ah. Right. Okay, moving on to steaming people to death... <Thanks, but I got my scythe> Point.

Shadowrider: Heya! Yeah, I got your email...I just moved it and a bunch to a different folder so I keep forgetting ;) I apologize; being home now, I should be able to come up with a decently-lengthed reply for ya! <Well, it is something I'd really LOVE to see...for artistical reasons, what do you think? ;)> I'm going to wish I never mentioned the possibility ;)

Emambu!: :: HUGS :: <You could always fly in Philly the day I head down, and I'd give you a ride myself. It might be cheaper> Perhaps. Or we could do it the other way around; I could drive and pick up people on the way down (I'd need to pass thru Philly, anyways), and that would drastically reduce costs. <Of course, you'd have to be willing to put up with me for six and a half straight hours> Heh, if you can avoid being my brother...no problem! :) <How is work going for you these days?> Pretty well, actually. A lot of it, but a lot of benefits ;) You? <can't go wrong with Italian food> Unless it's ziti. I'm sick of ziti ;) Plus, there are some...sexual connotations ;) <Well, I'll certainly help you test that theory out to see if it's true for guys also> Watch it...I'm really competitive ;) <Don't start backtracking. ;)> All right, yet ;)

I'm outta here, folks :)
Adios!
Niamhgold
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:43:30 PM
IP: 208.197.116.190

JOSH - "Yeah, but that is REALLY easy. Especially for a script like that, which can't be that long." Sounds to me like you are volunteering to help Si out! If it's so easy... give the busy girl a hand!! (quit yer bitchin' and start HELPING!)

TODD - I decided to re-read LotR again as well. I am almost done with "Two Towers" now. I wasn't going to read the 2nd book until AFTER I saw the first movie.... but... well... It's really tough to stop once you start!! I need a 12 step program or something!! As for the chapter you are reading currently, I love the forboding of hearing Bilbo actually call the ring "precious". It totally gave me the chills. :)

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:06:50 AM
IP: 63.28.181.43

TODD> Please keep the "Lord of the Rings" comments coming. We have comments for just about every TV show in existence from Bufft to Gargoyles to South Park. Be nice to see book comments also. And I'd find your insight into the books interesting.

More later.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 09:08:59 AM
IP: 216.179.1.13

* ANGEL SPOILERS *

Another good one. I'm curious about Holzt's attitude towards Angel at ths point. He says that the reason why he's concerned about Angel now having a soul, and feeling remorse over what he did to Holzt and his family, is that such a development would change Angel's m.o. and mean a necessary shift in strategy, but is this indeed the case, or is it a cover for some genuine uncomfortableness over killing him now that he's no longer the soulless psychopathic murderer that he was back in Georgian England? (And I could ask a similar question over his sparing Angel at the end). Fortunately, future episodes will (most likely) be able to settle this question.

The flashback to the 18th century where we discovered the fate that Angelus visited upon Holzt's daughter was very effective. I began to suspect that Angelus had turned her from the fact that she was still standing after the slaughter (the only way that I can imagine Angelus leaving any survivors in a massacre is if he turned them, and he'd certainly find it more amusing to confront Holzt with a turned daughter who's now a vampire, whom he'd have to kill, than just another drained corpse). After that development, I can see even more than ever why Holzt is so vengeful towards Angel.

Good comic relief scene with the Host attempting to fix the non-violence spell in Caritas and taking a while to get it properly connected. (I really feel sorry for the guy; just as he's gotten Caritas cleaned up from what Gunn's former friends did to it, Holzt comes along and wreaks even more devastation).

And the ending grabbed me most of all. Darla commits suicide - that part definitely took me by surprise - and Angel's son is actually born. Pity that there won't be any new episodes for a while; this is really getting exciting.

* SPOILERS END *

I've started rereading "The Lord of the Rings" in preparation for the movie (which premieres 29 days from now). I reread the first chapter yesterday, "A Long-Expected Party." It stands out from the others as being more light-hearted in its cheerful description of Bilbo's party and hobbit behavior (one of the funniest parts is Bilbo's going-away presents to a lot of his relatives; one, who likes to write everybody she knows a lot of letters filled with good advice, receives a waste-paper basket, while another, who has a habit of borrowing books and never returning them, gets a bookcase, labeled "For the collection of Hugo Bracegirdle, from a contributor.") However, there are hints already of the adventure to come in Bilbo's reluctance to part with the Ring and Gandalf's worries over it. At any rate, it's a real pleasure to read the book again.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 07:18:27 AM
IP: 63.183.39.218

Hello from LOS ANGELES!

That's right folks, I'm home. Thank god.

The day itself was hellish, to say the least. It wasn't bad enough that I had to wake up at 9 for a fluids midterm. Last night, my roommate had three of his friends over to work on a CS project for their OpenGL class. They were up till 8AM, talking quite loudly. I'm surprised I got any sleep at all.

Thankfully, the midterm itself was easy. The first problem was a simple recursive application of the Bernoulli formula modified to incorporate head loss due to friction, and the second was an even simpler integral momentum conservation in a control volume problem.

No idea what that meant? Oh well, its not important. What's important is that the test was open book and open note...and that doesn't leave a lot of problems I *haven't* seen. So I just looked them up and pretty much copied them. Piece of cake.

I got a few decent grades back, and my math quiz was easy, so I'm happy about that stuff.

Every lecture today bored me to tears. I kept counting the hours/minutes/seconds till I got to leave.

After classes were over, I spent 2.5 hours recovering the rest of my PSL, packing all my clothes into a trashbag (it's laundry time!), and moving files to my iBook to make it useable (mail preferences, documents, etc). Its amazing how fast everything went by...using firewire disk mode to move files, checking to see if they worked right...it really was amazing. Do PC laptops have firewire disk mode?

The worst though was when we discovered our toilet had a HUGE crack in the side of it and was leaking water. I have no idea how that crack got there, but now the manager has to let someone in while we're away...why does that make me uncomfortable? Oh well, at least all that's there to steal is...everything.

Anyway, we left Berkeley at about 6.45, and got to my house at about 1125. Yes, that's a 4:40 drive, a new record (our old record was 4:50)! We hit 130 a couple times in Mike's BMW...that was a lot of fun. And we even stopped for food along the way. Fortunately, it stopped raining shortly after we left the Bay Area, and I found out that the last few days in LA have been beautiful, so I"m hoping it'll stay that way.

So now I'm unpacked and sitting down checking out sites and writing my post and doing all the other stuff I missed today because I was too busy trying to get out of Berkeley. And its 215 in the morning.

replies!

Shadowrider: <<A Dual G-4, right?>>: You got it. 1600 MHz of Altivec-powered love. <<with such a system you should require only...lemme think...a ten years of continuous work, more or less>>: I'll just have to buy 50 then! ;-) <<system is about to complete when...POWER TURNS OFF>>: Battery backup works quite nicely, as I discovered the other day when the power DID go off.

Jan: <<no one can belt out the songs like a good ole' gospel group.. wow! My ears are still ringing>>: You've obviously never stood in front of a speaker stack at an industrial concert. ;-) <<All it requires is to scroll down and see the answer to the previous 12 questions>>: LOL!

Siryn: <<If its not ONE thing..its another>>: Welcome to the internet. <>: Good girl! <<was on an entirely different server from www.gargoyles-fans.org so that's why I can't use it. <:) And CGI script isn't as simple as copying and pasting code, you have to modify the perl for your particular server and page>>: Yeah, but that is REALLY easy. Especially for a script like that, which can't be that long.

Mandolin: <<mini-rant about CBS>>: Hmmm, interesting. I've been quite that aggravated at a network. Everyone shows SOMETHING I'll watch.

DPH: <<this is probably going to the most anticipated season since TGS began>>: Either that or we just have the stupidest fan base of any internet-based cartoon series ;-) <<nanites that invade an organism and explode>>: That sounds...painful.

Kyryn: <<land the Space Shuttle? (I always manage to crash it in the sims>>: Just do what they did in "Space Cowboys" and turn off the computer.

Revel: <>: Not a good place to be. <<So I need a new drive disk>>: Now is a good time...they're cheap. <<don't do anything I would not do... never mind>>: I'm hoping she'll do lots of stuff you wouldn't do ;-) <<want to go to the costume contest next year as Halflings>>: No thanks, I have issues with short jokes. <<GENTLEMEN!!! Welcome to hell.>>: How the f*ck did I get to Detroit!?

Lynati: <<three hours left until this test. and then I have to write a essay test. and finish the last of my wetwork>>: I feel your pain. Good luck. <<you've got time until yer 20th to do something, try something, kill something>>: Throw a wild orgy in her apartment...and invite me! <<crawls on top of the fireplace mantle to study>>: I wasn't aware the fireplace mantle was large enough to sit on.

Lee Shaw: <<Feel free to disagree with me>>: Thanks, I will.

Lady Mystic: Could you put a date on the page that says "coming winter 2001" for TimeDancer so that people know how recently it was updated? That way people wouldn't think it was abandoned. Or hell, fool them and just put a date field that spits out whatever day it is ;-)

Todd Jensen: <>: What about all those times he goes to Japan, or England, or Egypt?

Gside: <<Right didn't post becuase Metal Gear Solid 2 is an increadibly addicting game. Just to watch>>: I know the feeling. I can watch DII or SC for hours. <<At least you can find a box to wear>>: Boxes are not for wearing. <<Will there be whips and latex involved?>>: Probably not. <>: Wow. You are old. <<I've got one, I like it, and it won't change with my interests>>: Apparently I have 10 or so, and I can't seem to access any of them but Oakley. <>: So, conceivably, a Jolt-addicted programmer could experience a 168 hour (or longer) day? And I thought the 28 hour day in Men In Black was bad. <<So I'm really Satan?>>: I hope not, I kind of wanted that job. <<That's why there are two.>>: Yeah, but you can still hit it accidentally. If you type "properly" though, you use the right shift key when you hit left-hand keys. <<Compare engineering courses to humanities courses. That should have tipped you off long ago>>: Yeah, you're right. Those people are morons. <<I've heard it is, but I woubt she was using it like that.>>: Oh well. <<Endless bestial dragon sex>>: Well yeah, but if I was a dragon I'd have that. <<You need to read the Sexy Losers archives again.>>: No thanks, took long enough the first time. <<That means that my CS classes are also more likely to be on another campus, and the busses aren't quite fun>>: But other campuses have something your campus doesn't: new hot chicks. <>: Yes, but with a transform all the computer has to do is store a set of coefficients. <<allegedly, throughout college, all my father ate was spaghetti one night, steak the next>>: Now I know where you get your weirdness from. <<You do realize this is a con, right?>>: The perfect place to meet someone who you know will have at least ONE interest in common with you. <>: Apparently Crzy and Christine think there are enough good-looking men for a "hunks of the Gathering" calendar...I have no idea who they could be talking about, though. <<At least if they're anything like me>>: There's no accounting for taste. <<Or worse, don't use the command "rm /*", also dangerous because if you had some characters after an unintentional space, it will consider those as separate files to delete>>: I think I'll just stay out of the terminal. My OS is quite powerful enough without it. <<You mean the spilt rice from the sushi?>>: No, but those will work too.

Aingeal: <<i'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.>>: It had better be a good thing, you're marrying the guy! <<working 7 hours as a server and getting no more than $25 tips reay SUCKS! (talk about a slow day>>: At least you got paid. When I first worked for mactank, I pulled several 12-hour shifts and made $0.

Greg X: <<And where is Drusilla?>>: Didn't she run off with a fungus demon? <<it's not my fault that they have poor taste in women>>: Or maybe you do. <<Is that a promise? I will hold you to it>>: Only if she agrees to do it, I get a poster-size print, and it actually becomes the badge. <>: Whoa. Its like you're my clone or something. <<Never accept money, candy or anything from him>>: I'll take money from anyone who's offering. <<above all, don't go anywhere alone with him>>: That applies only to attractive females, not newbies.

Sevarius Jr: <<Well, I’m back from my excursion into hell>>: Why do you keep going back to Detroit? <<So, when’s the new season of TGS coming out?>>: ::SMACK:: <<so by proxy someone had to be the asshole of the CR>>: In your absence, shouldn't it be me? <<God told me it was full of evil sorcery>>: But I say it will make you feel good in your special no-no place. So who are you gonna listen to? <<May the flaming tongues of brimstone nip at your black-hearted bottoms>>: If my bottom has a heart...I'm worried about becoming a South Park oddessy. <<This just in – we kick ass>>: Duh. <<we’re all f!cking insane>>: I resemble that remark. <<Douche bag, it’s a WAR.” Damn I’m happy he’s in there. See? Being a bastard WORKS>>: And its so much fun too! <<All part of my master plan to turn the entire Middle East into our personal bitch>>: Then maybe gas will get a little cheaper. <<Speaking as a chauvinist, you still have quite a few good years left>>: Speaking as a chauvenist, this is one of them. <>: Damn. That's a lot of effort to get a girl into bed. <<I’d shower you with gifts>>: Before or after sex? <<because you’re a pretty girl.>>: Well, at least you've got taste. <<What, did you expect another answer>>: I expected "...and I hope you'll put out." <<But then I heard it was at like, 5 a.m., so screw THAT>>: Stupid East Coasters. I was only up till 3. <<your first post and you get yelled at>>: Its really amazing how easy it is to irritate us. <<like Josh said, I’ll stare anyway>>: Yup. We should just get matching shirts that say "I'm not really reading your name tag" for Gathering. <<Especially if you look like SOROW, but don’t tell her I said that>>: Actually, Siryn does look a tiny bit like Sorow, same body type I think (of course, my memory of G2k1 isn't perfect, since I spent nearly all of it with the same 6 or 8 people, and none of them were Siryn or Sorow (much to my dismay, I assure you). <<What a worthless tool I am>>: Hi, Carson Daly. <<will at least, for sure, disappoint me>>: Now wait just a minute. You can't be disappointed if your standards are already through the floor. <<because I think Natalie Portman is way hot>>: That's enough of a reason. <<Then he probably cares as little about Jesus Christ as Greg Weisman>>: As little as he cares about Greg Weisman or as little as Greg Weisman cares about Jesus Christ? <>: Hope you didn't get any splinters. <<This was back in the day when birth control was considered “pulling out in time”>>: I think that was revolutionary, and the more customary one was prayer. <>: I was tempted to mute that...but decided against it.

Christine: <>: Well, there's always the good-old-fashioned "drag race". Here's how it works. Two male-female con-virgin pairs race each other to switch clothing 8-) On stage. Quite entertaining, really.

It is now THREE fifteen, so I think I'll crash. See ya'll tomorrow.

Think positive. Sooner or later, everyone you hate will die.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
ENCINO!!!, CA, US of A
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 06:19:12 AM
IP: 206.170.217.26

Gside:> Apparently, my email bounced back due to a size problem. The file I'm trying to send is about 5MB sized. Is there any chance for you to receive it?

Jan:> Happy belated birthday! Damn, I was supposed to remember it was your B-day yesterday...I apologize. My best wishes again!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 05:34:14 AM
IP: 213.213.103.222

HAPPY TERRKY DAY EVERYONE! i wanted to say happy terrky day on terrky day, but i don't know if i will be able to get on the internet.

i hope everyone has a great one!

tomorrow is the last day of school before terrky day break. yay! i gota long time to get caught up on way over due homework. bleh... serves me right though. shoulda gotten it done. i know i know.

but anyway, just wanted to say hi.... and... how come i dun get a happy belated birthday? i turned 16 back in october,.. i guess i wasn't posting then. doesn't matter. *sniffle* im ok.

lol, anyway, see yall!

-={Terrky}=-

Terrky K - [srs@postmark.net]
Kansas
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:54:39 AM
IP: 63.252.223.162

Fire Storm > I shudder to wonder what we'll require, then, of first-time male attendees ... ; )

Lee Shaw > if you'd be interested in reading about Gatherings past, I have essays and photo albums from the past five years on my site; clickie below or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/gargoyles.html

Update > supposedly, The Book of All Flesh has been shipped to distributors but I'm still waiting on my comp copies. Got a rejection letter today from a query I sent out in September of 2000, which doesn't quite beat the Del Rey 18-month wait. Am almost done with a Harry Potter fanfic novella for Becca, which has occupied me since last week to the tune of 30,000+ words (yow!). After that, I really will be getting back to work on Changeling Moon, I promise! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:16:38 AM
IP: 64.24.34.21

Ack, have more to say.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOROW! JAN!

No, I haven't seen "Harry Potter". I hear it's good, and I'm sure it is. But having never read the books, I just don't have much interest in it. Though I am looking forward to "Lord of the Rings" quite a bit. Love the books. But I'd probably go see it even if I haven't read the books. "Lord of the Rings" is more my thing.

JOSH> <> Hey, it's not my fault that they have poor taste in women ;) <<Oh HELL YEAH. That would be a really funny show.>> Hmm, perhaps they should fire Joss and hire me to produce this show. Sorry, but Joss has been losing my respect with this season of "Buffy". <<And I'll watch anything with Eliza...>> Heh, so will I. <<I'm in for extra $25>> Is that a promise? I will hold you to it. <<Same thing happened to me. Was it high school for you too?>> Yes, as a matter of fact. I also stopped getting picked on soon after ;)

GSIDE> <<So I'm really Satan?>> I don't know, are you?

SJ> <<BTW, you all know that the only reason Greg has acted like a dick to those people is because I wasn’t here to do it, so by proxy someone had to be the asshole of the CR. Now I’ve come back to reclaim my title!>> It is yours. <<But wait, isn’t he Jewish?>> Lucas is Jewish?? I always assumed he was the founder and leader of the Church of Lucas and all were required to donate all their money to him and still buy Star Wars videos, DVDs, toys and other merchandise, which sadly way too many fanboys fall into. <<Then he probably cares as little about Jesus Christ as Greg Weisman.>> Well, Greg is Jewish. Why should he care about Jesus, after all the Torah does say that any false prophet must not me allowed to live... I think. Or is that just the Bible? Damn, I'm half Jewish and I know nothing about the faith. Aw well, what's truly important is that Jesus was a great man with a lot to teach us, son of God or not, and that today the noble Jews and the noble Christians can team up with the noble Muslims and kill the shit-headed Muslims ;P

Newbies, meet SJ! Never accept money, candy or anything from him. And above all, don't go anywhere alone with him ;)

I haven't see the Justice League series, but I don't really care if I do. Outside of Batman, I don't care for the DC Universe much, and I hate the character of Superman with a passion. Though I like the Vertigo comics... "Sandman", "Preacher" etc.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, November 19, 2001 11:04:35 PM
IP: 216.179.1.9

What?

**SJ stumbles into the CR again**

Well, I’m back from my excursion into hell. And I believe me, I’m actually not that off from the truth when I say that.

So, when’s the new season of TGS coming out?

BTW, you all know that the only reason Greg has acted like a dick to those people is because I wasn’t here to do it, so by proxy someone had to be the asshole of the CR. Now I’ve come back to reclaim my title!

What?

How many of you good little lemmings went to go see Harry Potter this weekend? Biggest opening for a movie ever, if you believe the records they keep throwing out, but that’s kind of pointless when they make up records each and every week. “Biggest opening for a day of the week not including the letter ‘y’!” Whatever. I didn’t watch the film because God told me it was full of evil sorcery. Damn you pagans all to hell! May the flaming tongues of brimstone nip at your black-hearted bottoms.

Actually, I’m very proud of the pagans out there. I haven’t had to deal with any stupid “Harry Potter is offensive to real witches!” protests, thank God. Cause there’s nothing sadder than a witch complaining that they’re being negatively portrayed by a children’s book. What we were left with was just a bunch of Jesus freaks who can’t separate harmless idiot fiction from real satanic verses, but honestly, who takes them seriously anymore?

For those who are interested, I’m currently booking a Jerry Falwell / Aleister Crowley fight. 1 hour Ironman match, most pinfalls / submissions wins. I don’t care if Crowley’s dead either. Undercard features Pat Robertson vs. John Dee and Israel Regardie in a handicap match. HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE, BY GAWD!

What?

WAR UPDATE: This just in – we kick ass.

One of the only things this past few weeks that has brought me much pleasure is the incredible ease at which Afghanistan is getting conquered. Two months ago, weren’t a bunch of people going, “It will be almost impossible to win a ground war in Afghanistan.” Well, we’re doing it. And hell, we Americans aren’t even doing that much at all. We bomb a few things, send in a few Special Forces to tell the Northern Alliance which mud hut to blow up, and bam, watch the cities fall like dominoes. We even killed one of Bin Laden’s boys too. Note to those who would wage war against America: don’t do it with a Republican in office. Cause we’re all f!cking insane. I mean, how smart do you have to be? You attacked the country while a TEXAS Republican was in office. A Texas Republican who only had like the highest death penalty rate ever in the state when he was governor. You think he won’t slit your throat in the middle of the night?

Major points go to Donald Rumsfeld, for being a tough bastard and a downright surly prick to the media, thus making him my hero. Have you seen these press conferences? Reporters really don’t score well on the SAT tests, I’m thinking. “Uh, there are reports that U.S. and Northern Alliance forces are actually shooting at Taliban soldiers! How do you justify such actions?” To which Rumsfeld just gives them a look that says, “Douche bag, it’s a WAR.” Damn I’m happy he’s in there. See? Being a bastard WORKS.

And it looks as if Iraq is next. They’re already making rumblings that they’re next on our (s) hit list. All part of my master plan to turn the entire Middle East into our personal bitch.

What???

Finally, this has been sitting for almost two weeks, but here I finally get into it.

Jannie: <<I _understand_ your humor and I usually appreciate it and enjoy it but when you start laughing and making fun of people with handicaps and the Special Olympics, then I stop appreciating and understanding it.>> Not to sound snobbish, but most people don’t get my sense of humor, because, well, most of it is very, VERY inside. As in, very few people understand it because sometimes I make it as obscure as possible. But a lot of my more “mainstream humor” is basically cynical, bitter rants against…whatever….because, hey, I’m a cynical and bitter man. And I have to admit that the majority of my humor is very dark, and sometimes downright painful, which is why my win / loss record with friends in this CR is a bit skewed. It’s not hard to figure out which side it leans towards. Anyway, I keep saying this, and others have even said this about me before (and I usually appreciate it because they get the point), but some- of what I say in here is said specifically to get a reaction out of people. Sometimes certain people in particular. To sound snobbish again, I’m obsessed with limits. I’m constantly fascinated by what the line is that is considered “too far”. So sometimes I’ll post something….like that song….and I’ll see what kind of reaction I get. Call it sick experimentation on my part. It actually has less to do with humor….it doesn’t even really have anything to do at all with humor, actually.
<<The song that you posted has to be one of the most insensitive, disgusting, and cruel lyrics that I’ve ever had the displeasure of reading.>> That song was done by a man named Stephen Lynch, a comedian / musician. That’s not his worst song, BTW, but that’s neither here nor there. Lynch’s gimmick / comedy is based upon “cringe humor”.
<<Everyone claims to be open minded and non-judgmental – but let me tell you who is REALLY that way… special needs children. They don’t judge another person because of what they look like, who they are, or the color of their skin. They don’t laugh at other people if they are handicapped. They just love them and they’ll try to be friends with them.>> There’s an argument to be made here, about how those of us who are considered less than normal, who are considered defective and damaged, are capable of what we “normal” individuals are not – peace, love, and understanding. But, again, I’m not the right person to make it. Needless to say, I do agree with you.
All I can truly say is that I am sorry I have disappointed you. That wasn’t my intention when I posted that song, but then again I wasn’t thinking when I posted it anyway, so the fault is still my own. So, I apologize. Yes, I was wrong, and I admit that and I am sorry for it. If you are questioning whether or not this apology is genuine, remember what I said about respect. There are certain people in this CR whom I respect a great deal, and you are one of them. So, when I tell you I am sorry, you can really honestly believe that I mean what I say.

Justice League: Wow, what a great show I DIDN’T get to see.
Yeah, I didn’t see it, cause my cable is out. Because my cable provider wants everyone with the service to upgrade to digital, and thus pay more money, so to encourage their subscribers to do so, they’ve decided to do the extremely user-friendly thing (note sarcasm) and take away virtually all cable channels PERIOD. So, no Cartoon Network.
Anyway, to answer the Wonder Woman question, she’s cool now in the comics because a gay man is writing her. Yes, I said the word gay, why don’t you oversensitive jackoffs throw stones at me. Anyway, no joke, they got Phil Jimenez, who is a gay man, to write the female character of Wonder Woman, and there you go – suddenly an interesting character again. Kudos to progress!

What? What???

SOROW: <<Hey all. I'm just a little depressed right now. Why? Today was my birthday. I'm 19.>> Speaking as a chauvinist, you still have quite a few good years left. ;)
<<none of my friends could hang out with me today. They haven't even remembered it's my birthday yet.>> I would make your birthday a holiday. I’d shower you with gifts, take you to all of your favorite places, and make sure your day was the most pleasant in all of the year. And why would I do this? Simple – because you’re a pretty girl.
What, did you expect another answer? ;) Happy belated birthday!!! :)

Meteor Shower: I thought about trying to look at this. But then I heard it was at like, 5 a.m., so screw THAT.

Unown: Hey, your first post and you get yelled at. Welcome to the family!!!

Narnia Update: The latest I’m hearing is that Disney also wants to update the films to the modern era. So, instead of Turkish Delight, the kids will be tempted by Snickers bars or something.
There are many faces of evil, and I know a few.

What? What? WHAT?

Spacebabie: <<True I’m thinking of pinning mine to my arse or to my chest, just to give Josh and SJ an excuse to stare.>> Oh, like Josh said, I’ll stare anyway.
Especially if you look like SOROW, but don’t tell her I said that. ;)

Josh: <<New Star wars trailer on apple's site. God that movie is gonna suck. But I'll see it anyway, because
lightsabers rock.>> What a worthless tool I am. I pretty much hate Lucas at this point, and I really can’t stand the last film, and this movie will probably suck and will at least, for sure, disappoint me, but know what? Yeah, I’ll watch it anyway. Because I’m trapped inside the consumer culture, and I’m just another brick in the wall.
That, and because I think Natalie Portman is way hot.

What? What? WHAT? WHAT?

Robby: <<He continues to say that, "Some [people] think being popular in the United States is the best thing, but I think it is wrong to think that way... Movies are said to be international, but I don't think so.">> This is why Miyazaki is god.
And as disturbed and uncomfortable as I am with the Bruce Lee back-from-the-dead news, I’ll take a reanimated-CGI Bruce over our current crop of “action” stars any day of the week.

Skippy: <<Oh, I know of a few loonie right wing Xians (Atheist slang for the Religious Riche FYI) that have a bone to pick with Star Wars at least. The whole business with the force is in thier minds a slam against God.>> Well, far be it for me to side with the Zions, but I don’t see how you can’t take the “virgin birth” of Anakin and not draw a parallel to Jesus Christ. But then again, I don’t criticize Lucas for his God references, I criticize him because his work now lacks any sense of cohesion or relevance, and he has sold his creative soul for the almighty dollar. His mediocrity offends me. But wait, isn’t he Jewish? Then he probably cares as little about Jesus Christ as Greg Weisman.
<<NBC's Dateline did an hour-long show all about modern exorcism last Tuesday. The expose featured little scepticsm and way too much acceptance of these loonies in my opinon.>> I’m sorry, what? I was too busy masturbating with a crucifix. The power of Christ compels you! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!

WHAT? WHAT WHAT???!!! WHAT??!! WHAT!!??

***ANGEL SPOILERS***
Well, I finally get to do a “review” or recap of the show on the actual night it airs. Probably because I don’t have cable, and thus I can’t watch WWF tonight, so I’m stuck with watching Angel live rather than watching it on tape.

We open with Holtz and Angel facing each other, and I wonder why Holtz just doesn’t stick the vamp while he can. Of course, if he did, than we wouldn’t have much of a show now would we? But it automatically causes me to deduct a few IQ points from Holtz. Darla also suffers through active labor. This whole Darla pregnancy storyline confuses me. I mean, she was a WHORE when human. You’re telling me she never got knocked up before? This was back in the day when birth control was considered “pulling out in time”.

So Holtz and Angel square off, and we get a bit of talk, which is interesting because Holtz doesn’t know Angel has a soul. Not that it matters. Holtz comes across as a soulless monster, somewhat, when IMO he’s perfectly justified in basically anything he does to Angel or Darla. Of course, later on, we DO see that Holtz has a compassionate side, as he has second thoughts of offing Angel now that he has a soul. Personally, I’d ice him anyway, but that’s just me. Of course, the demon Sahjhan is playing him, so who knows if Holtz will do the deed or not.

We learn that Darla loves the child inside of her. What’s with Joss this season? I mean, I like the Darla storyline so far, but all of this talk of love and family….and over on Buffy they have musicals….weird. I was watching a rerun of Buffy the other day from the first season. There were teenagers getting killed left and right. I miss that ultra-vicious streak. At least Hotlz is vicious enough, as he torches Cavitas just for fun….or rather, to get Darla, but I imagine he had fun doing it. Anyway, Angel and the rest of the gang are YOUR heroes in peril, as Holtz slowly stalks through the ashes to get to them. Meanwhile, Darla is about to lose the kid and she waxes dramatic about her time with Angel.

And then the SHOCKING ending, as Darla 2.0 kills herself to save her child. Wow. Dramatic moment. This would frankly be just so much more dramatic if Darla hadn’t died once before, then been brought back from the dead, but anyway, a very nice, shocking end to the show. We’re left with Holtz, in a moment of righteousness, letting Angel, his son, and Fred go. Cool scene, with Holtz promising Sahjhan that, in the future, he will show no mercy.

So, that’s the cliffhanger we’re left with, as Angel goes on hiatus for at least a month But what a show it was. Thumbs up, all the way.

In review: Angel is the shizzit this season, Buffy is mediocre AT BEST, and despite anyone saying otherwise, Willow IS a hot chick, she’s just unfortunately a hot chick surrounded by even hotter chicks (unless you count Tara, and hey, I don’t). So there you go.
****END SPOILERS***

Now if you will excuse me, I must go watch the Britney Spears concert on HBO. For the thousandth time. Thank God for friends with VCRs. Oops, I did it again and again and again.

What?

“You’re pathetic! WHAT?! I said you’re pathetic!”
---“Stone Cold” Steve Austin

Sevarius "WHAT?" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Monday, November 19, 2001 10:15:27 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Happy Birthday, Jan!!! Have a good one!

Happy Birthday, SOROW!
Ravyn
Monday, November 19, 2001 10:14:17 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

*** ANGEL SPOILERS ***

Wow. What can I say? Wow.

This was a great episode. Exactly what I want to see when I watch "Angel". "Buffy" doesn't hold a candle to this show.

So Angel's son was born at Darla's death. That was a great scene. Too bad they killed Darla. She was one of the show's best characters. I doubt Wolfram & Hart will go through the trouble of bringing her back again. And where is Drusilla?

Holtz is awesome. It's great to see a strong male villain on this series since Lindsay and Holland Manners are gone and dead. Darla and Lilah were/are strong female villains, so having Holtz as the strong male villain work quite well.

Holtz is definetly going to target Angel's son. Going to want to do to Angel what Angel did to him. Now that he knows that Angel has a soul, I think he'll use this to make Angel suffer as he did. Hell, Darla and Angelus made Holtz kill his own daughter. No wonder he despises them so much.

I give this episode a 10/10. Bravo.

*** END ANGEL SPOILERS ***

Greg Bishansky
Monday, November 19, 2001 10:06:36 PM
IP: 216.179.1.9

*hugs Josh, Gside & Sorrow* thank you! =)
Jan
Monday, November 19, 2001 09:47:31 PM
IP: 12.110.237.1

AHH! ::hides from the DBZ convo:: erm..hmm.... I feel like I'm with my fiancee and his friends... ::shivers:: i'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. ;) j/k

Emambu : Umm.... thanks hon.l.. but you might want to check your spelling on the e-mail name ;) could cause some challenges }:->

::flops:: break is turning out worse than school in some ways... I'm working more, and still falling behind...

::sighs and hugs people:: I'll be back... i'm moving to Harrisburg, PA in dec, so I hopw to be online more after then.

::staggers out in search of the elusive bed::

PS: working 7 hours as a server and getting no more than $25 tips reay SUCKS! (talk about a slow day)

nitenite
Aingeal
Monday, November 19, 2001 09:37:51 PM
IP: 216.222.78.152

DPH- Goku is ALREADY the most powerful being there is, alive or dead, aside from Buu... (And the villains from GT, natch, but those are all bizarre exceptions that didn't exist at the time of DBZ...) As far as not using the dragon... One, Kaishin is an idiot and didn't do any research before going to earth, (C'mon, his whole plan consisted of letting Babidi get a whole mess of energy from Gohan and nearly killing him, then following Babidi's flunkies to a heavily and well defended base full of people Kaishin couldn't beat and depending on fight happy Saiyajins to take care of everything, when Kaishin didn't even KNOW about the Saiyajins... ANd that was just his first plan. The plans he came up with later kinda sucked too...) and two, even if he had known about the dragonballs, the dragon can't grant a wish beyond its power, and the dragon's power is limited to that of its creator. In this case, that would be Dende, who is nowhere near as powerful as Buu... Nowhere near as powerful as Yamcha, for that matter...

As far as Justice League... We can assume Batman was investigating something related to a crime in Gotham when he stumbled across the aliens. As far as how they all got to the station... Well, in the comics they have a teleporter. In the show... No telling... (Particularly since the original version of Batman was set in an un-placable time preriod between the 20s and 60s, whereas the current series seems to have future tech...)

As far as Wonder Woman, in the 70's, she sucked. WIth the revamping of all DC continuity in the early 80's, (basically when the Superman books rebooted the timeline so as to clean things up) Wonder Woman got upgraded some, and in the last few years, writers have basically put her on scale with Superman. She's not as strong as him tho, not superfast, doesn't have heat vision or freeze breath (Tho Supes never uses the freeze breath anyway, which is a pity...) and isn't nearly as nigh invulnerable. (Tho her bracelets are.) So really strong and able to fly she is. Superman level, she isn't.
Robby
Monday, November 19, 2001 07:24:45 PM
IP: 172.142.191.248

Not much for me to say tonight ... long, hard-working weekend for me last weekend ... thankfully this week I get two days off. (however, one of them is Turkey Day ... I'm SUPPOSED to get three!!)

Meteor Shower: I didn't see meteor one. Most of Southeast Michigan wound up buried in a layer of fog that would've been perfect for skiffs to appear out of. (in fact I think I saw one on St. John's Marsh ... ;)

Ravyn: **huggles back** Hey there. :)
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, November 19, 2001 07:22:54 PM
IP: 64.243.208.145

Right didn't post becuase Metal Gear Solid 2 is an increadibly addicting game. Just to watch. Oh, and a warning for the guys: There is a period where you control a naked bishonen. Who is able to do cartwheels and crawl. At least you can find a box to wear.

Emambu> <<Not unless you can give him all of Episode II before it's released in theaters>>: I'd think the entire Rings would be more appropriate of such a price than one recent Star Wars.
<<Does this post count? It HAS been two months>>: Of course. It has been much longer than Wilek's recent lags.
<<We're going to nail you to the stake before long>>: Will there be whips and latex involved?
<>: Nope, but it probably won't be good. Though I think I found out what the problem was. In DC analysis, infinite capacitors break the line, and only in AC small signal do they short.
<<Or are we talking about CR Skippy?>>: I was, they weren't.
<<Don't worry, I'll join you as well>>: I thank you for your show of solidarity.
<<Maybe next time...>>: True. Fleur, any plans?
<<You're an old man of the forum I think>>: Mayhap. I think I may just have been here for over half it's lifetime.
<>: Get Morpheus. I've managed to complete Love Hina and Trigun, and am starting on FLCL and Excel Saga, or maybe Lodoss now that I think about it.
<<I'd do that myself except some of my friends continuously change their usernames>>: Feh. I've got one, I like it, and it won't change with my interests.
<<How am I supposed to buy all your books now?>>: Same way I did. Snail mail.
<<the soundtrack to The Wings of Honneamise>>: By Ryuichi Sakamoto? Sorry, no.
<<And how can I get in on this?>>: Start talking about why guys like lesban porn. And contemplations on tentacle hentai wouldn't hurt either. On that note, just who is the mysterious Bat Mackerel?<<If it gets past midnight then wouldn't it be early considering the fact that it's a new day?>>: I am of the opinion that it is not tomorrow until you sleep.

Greg> <<Sauron makes Satan look like that really nerdy cry-baby we all knew in our lives>>: So I'm really Satan?
<<Anyone can stick a pitchfork up someone's ass>>: Or a burning dead hamster (of the same gender).

Terrky> <>: It isn't. That's why there are two.

Imzadi> <<I'm an engineer (which is somehow associated with "brainiac", don't ask me how)>>: Compare engineering courses to humanities courses. That should have tipped you off long ago.
<<NO ONE knows everything there is to know about computers>>: Mel might. (see The Story of Mel, a Real Programmer at the Jargon File.)
<<Is that a euphemism?>>: I've heard it is, but I woubt she was using it like that.
<<Immortal, magical, fire-breathing...what more could I want?>>: Endless bestial dragon sex?
<<why?>>: You need to read the Sexy Losers archives again. It's number 15.
<<No I didn't>>: My bad then.
<>: Don't. That means that my CS classes are also more likely to be on another campus, and the busses aren't quite fun.
<<Transforms, I believe>>: Hmm, I would have guessed series approximations. That way you could have a sequence of numbers to represent every time interval of the waveform. Assuming you've already decided to go with an exponential or trigonometric aproximation.
<<Happy anniversary>>: Why, thank you.
<<You can if its all there is to eat for 3 weeks straight>>: allegedly, throughout college, all my father ate was spaghetti one night, steak the next.

Shadowrider> <<Gside:> Check your emai>>: Did, got nothing.

Spacebabie> <<How the heck can I FLIRT with my dad around?>>: You do realize this is a con, right? I believe the men tend to not be flirt worthy. At least if they're anything like me.

Lee> <<ould someone fill me in on what The Gathering is?>>: It's the convention of the fandom.

SOROW> Happy birthday.
<>: I try not to let people know when it is. That way, I don't feel guilty for being to cheap to get them anything for theirs.
<>: But I've heard there's a lot of simple carbos, to provide energy.
<<Hour long each?>>: Some at least. I've got a couple that are sound bites.
<<some of the members of the board are gathering money together to buy Coa a whore>>: Nice. But who would be their representative, or are they going to phone in to an "escort service"?
<<Unless that?s all she will be wearing, that?s no fun!>>: But it is. You too need to review the archives.
Imzadi> <<don't use the command "rm *??*">>: Or worse, don't use the command "rm /*", also dangerous because if you had some characters after an unintentional space, it will consider those as separate files to delete.
<<there are a few other acceptable items of clothing that can be added and still be 'fun". Or at least entertaining>>: You mean the spilt rice from the sushi?

And another happy birthday to Jan.

Right, I haven't had much Bruce in the mp3s, so you get Thunder Road now. But you know it's really all about Clarence.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, November 19, 2001 06:52:05 PM
IP: 165.230.240.114

I haven't seen the "Justice League" cartoon myself (for one thing, I don't have cable), but I'd also been wondering about Batman's presence in it when I heard about it for the same reason that DPH cites; given the condition of Gotham City in the WB animation take on Batman, I doubt that he could spare the time to work with a global super-hero team. Metropolis might be able to do without Superman for a while, but I doubt that Gotham City would be able to spare Batman for very long.

In honor of the just-released "Harry Potter" movie, I'd like to pose a TGS Trivia Question:

In Season Three of TGS, we included a small Harry Potter reference. For ten points, what was that reference?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 19, 2001 06:40:40 PM
IP: 63.183.39.201

I just wanted to post to say just how pissed I am with Toon Disney here in the UK. It's one thing to screw around with the Gargoyles running order. I was actually getting used to it. But it's quite another thing for them to miss out half the second season.

For a guy trying to get caught up with the series, this is SO fucking annoying! They skipped from 'Avalon, Part 3' straight to 'The Journey' at the start of the third season. From the episode guides I've seen, that is quite a few episodes they've decided to just ignore, none of which I've seen. Would it help any if I tried complaining to Toon Disney? I think not...

Anyway, I also just want to throw in my opinion on this whole 'asking about new eps of TGS thing'. I asked myself when I first started posting here, about a week ago. Before I found this site, I visted lots of other Gargoyles fan sites. How many did I find that had been updated in the last two years? None. There are tons of Gargoyles sites out there that have just been abandoned. So when I came here, I just wanted to make sure this site hadn't been abandoned. Remember, this time last week, the site was still saying new eps would be coming Fall 2001.

Admittedly, the message has been updated now, so there's less reason for newcomers to ask. But I don't see any harm in them asking anyway, just to make sure. The way I see it, it's only a minor annoyance. Feel free to disagree with me if you want. This is just my opinion.
Lee Shaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Monday, November 19, 2001 05:32:57 PM
IP: 212.127.20.3

*stumbles in, looking axed*
crunch time: three hours left until this test. and then I have to write a essay test. and finish the last of my wetwork.

SOROW: heh. I had nothing fer m' 19th OR 20th. :P (so, at least you be one year ahead of me; you've got time until yer 20th to do something, try something, kill something...something something...)

*sighs tiredly, and goes to sit down*
*...sits on unown*
dah! Sorry...(yeesh, I get up to rant a couple times and lose my space in the hiding corner! *sniffles* oh, well.)
*crawls on top of the fireplace mantle to study*
Lynati
Monday, November 19, 2001 04:14:44 PM
IP: 205.185.0.185

Just a quick post today since I have to begin a 15 page report and my computer could die at any moment. Yes it is to that point. Every time I run scan disk the think finds more bad sectors and get this, does not even make it to the end. Nope, stalls out in the same @%&*! spot everytime. So I need a new drive disk. On the up side of things it is almost a holiday and with all luck the dorm will burn down and I can collect isurance to by a whole new system.

*Slight update to me website with stories and what not, check it out if you are bored*

Syrin- I like the look of the gathering site, simple, but to the point, nice.

SOROW- happy belated bd, don't do anything I would not do... never mind.

Josh- Hey want to go to the costume contest next year as Halflings? I could look like Zed and you could be Casey... before he died.

Well that's it, back to work.

"GENTLEMEN!!! Welcome to hell."
-Col. Oats, Bill&Ted's Bogus Journey-

later
Revel - [Samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, November 19, 2001 03:55:41 PM
IP: 129.120.255.222

****Kyryn sneaks into the room.****

Mooncat>The A-kon badge art is done by my friend Lee Madison. You can click on my name and go to his website. Actually, he's been doing most of the badge art for the Kon since A-Kon 1 or 2. He also does the art for the Staff t-shirts for the Kon. They do have a contest for the main A-Kon t-shirt every year.

Emambu> Good to see you again! <<And it's only a '95 car? Where the heck have you been driving it? >> Denton, TX to Garland, TX every work day for 4 years. Uvalde, TX to Denton, TX and back on weekends for 1 year. Denton, TX to L.A., CA and back once. I it's been a very good car. ;) <<So... what exactly _can't_ you do? >> Ummmm.....land the Space Shuttle? (I always manage to crash it in the sims. ;))

Green Baron> Good to see you!

Meteor Shower> *grumble, grumble, grumble* darn clouds. I got lucky and got to see two meteors when we had a quick break in the clouds, but that was it.

SOROW> Happy belated birthday from a fellow Texan!

Later, All!

***Kyryn disappears through the nearest doorway.***
Kyryn
Denton, TX
Monday, November 19, 2001 02:01:32 PM
IP: 216.35.46.129

It was getting particularly annoying seeing the question about TGS status pop up 3-5 times a week. I could understand the question being once or twice a week. On the other hand, this is probably going to the most anticipated season since TGS began. :-)

Imzadi - I guess I need to make more categories: conventional, nuclear, and non-conventional. Among the non-conventional weapons, I have not had a chance to utilize one weapon that can be used only on living beings: nanites that invade an organism and explode.

**DBZ question**
If Goku could train indefinitely while dead, how long would it be before he becomes the most powerfull being (aside from the dragon) that is alive or dead?

Why didn't the Supreme Kai summon the dragon and use it to kill/make it impossible to summon Majin Boo?
**END DBZ**

Happy birthday to anyone I missed.

**JUSTICE LEAGUE SPOILERS**
You know, of course, that the question about the invisible jet was bait for a joke. Seriouly, though, I thought Wonder Woman couldn't fly. In this series, she appears to be as powerfull as superman without weaknesses.

Really, really dumb question: how did those heroes and heroines get to the space station? I can see how Batman and Superman can, but not the rest. If Batman should leave Gotham City for extended period of time, crime would get out of hand for the police force.
**END JUSTICE LEAGUE SPOILERS**

Fire Storm - you realize that passwords are changed automatically upon use in the RP computer system. Of course, the computer blocks nearby people from hearing the password.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, November 19, 2001 01:37:00 PM
IP: 204.94.193.35

SOROW> Happy belated birthday! Hope it was fun!

Patrick> Actually, Fire Storm and I were the only staff members to respond with any degree of harshness. My bad. Sorry, but speaking for myself, it's hard living up to the standards set by prior staffers (and I mean that with all sincerity).

Okay, since a few people have asked to hear this, I'm sharing my mini-rant about CBS.

**INCOMING RANT!**

Okay. As those who were here way back in the fall of '99 learned, I discovered a new show on CBS and got absolutely hooked. That was "Now and Again." Now the network was making a big deal about it initially, it looked interesting, and after two episodes I was absolutely hooked. (Keep in mind that this was pre-"Survivor," when NBC was still the No. 1 net and CBS was still considered the geriatric network by some.)

Unfortunately, the show was in the Fridays-at-9 dead zone - a very bad time slot for a non-formulaic, offbeat show that played with multiple genres. But through November sweeps, CBS kept touting it as a hit. The first hint came when the show made the cover of TV Guide and the network started pre-empting it constantly. A total of two - count 'em, TWO - reruns were shown all year. The rest of the time it was pre-empted. After December, the network seemed to be doing its best to make viewers forget the show - sticking it in a lousy time slot, pre-empting it constantly and barely promoting it. Despite all that, the network led the production company to believe there would be a season two. So with that in mind, the writers ended the season finale with the absolute cliffhanger from hell.

The night before the official fall schedule was announced, the upfronts said the show was renewed - but that turned out to be someone's idea of a joke. They cancelled it.

Now what REALLY burned me was not that they cancelled it, but how the cancellation was treated. First off, the head of CBS told the press that the production company ended it on a cliffhanger to "trick" them into renewing it. They blamed ratings at first, although a lower-rated show was renewed. Then they blamed production costs. They couldn't even stick to a story. They even led the exec producers to believe that they'd consider bringing it back... then when the meeting rolled around, said there was no way and told them to strike the sets (which Paramount kept up for two weeks trying to sell the show).

The real insult? My aunt called the network to politely express her disappointment over the cancellation. The person answering the phones responded with, "It's cancelled, lady. Get over it." and hung up.

I found out later at a sci-fi convention from one of the actors on the series that ratings, cost, etc. had nothing to do with it. It was all about politics, about the CBS/Viacom merger. The folks at CBS wanted to make Paramount look bad, so they cancelled the one Paramount show that they could knock the ratings down for and get away with cancelling (since there was no way they'd get away with axing "JAG").

I didn't watch Survivor. And Leslie Moonves (the CEO of the network) had better hope I never meet him.

**END RANT!**

Aaand I have to go to a meeting! Bye!

**Mandi runs out**
Mandolin
Monday, November 19, 2001 01:22:26 PM
IP: 199.173.225.2

Happy Belated Birthday! I hope yours was a lot better than mine.
SOROW
Monday, November 19, 2001 12:21:12 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Lee> The Gathering is the annual gargoyles convention that is held annually. :) Its really neat! People from the show such as voice actors, animators, producers attend, as well as fans from all corners of the globe! ^_^ Click on my name to learn more. :D

Fire Storm> Heh..thanks. -_-;; Chris just emailed me and said he fixed it..but now I'm getting an internal server error.. *sighs and KICKS it* If its not ONE thing..its another..but I am NOT giving up! :D

Josh> yes, I know Online Registration is the way to go. <:) Umm well, basically because the formmail.cgi used was on an entirely different server from www.gargoyles-fans.org so that's why I can't use it. <:) And CGI script isn't as simple as copying and pasting code, you have to modify the perl for your particular server and page.

Andddddd..if anyone has any questions about the gathering please feel free to email gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com. (dont' email me personally until after the 29th, because I won't be able to respond to your emails until after I get back! :)

Everyone have a happy thanksgiving!
Siryn --2002 Convention Chair - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 19, 2001 09:02:06 AM
IP: 24.93.24.2

well d'uh, Jan...

first post was to Sorrow.

*dork*
Jannie
Monday, November 19, 2001 07:33:12 AM
IP: 12.110.236.64

Happy belated birthday! After I read your post, it jogged my memory that we are "birthday twins" ;)
My birthday was busy... a Thanksgiving dinner at church, cake and ice cream at my brother's and then a special church service that evening. We had a special group in for singing - no one can belt out the songs like a good ole' gospel group.. wow! My ears are still ringing.

Today is "picture day" at work and it's raining =\ For those of you that have natural curly/wavey hair - you know what I'm talking about. There's going to be an outside group picture of the entire sheriff's dept. and then individual pictures will be taken inside. Ohwell, hopefully the rain will move out before this afternoon.

I have to agree that the sudden surge of "when is it going to be out?" questions have become a bit annoying. All it requires is to scroll down and see the answer to the previous 12 questions. O_O
On the positive side, at least there is still interest in the TGS :)

gotta' finish getting ready for work... I'm suppose to wear dark colors today *rummages thru closet*
Jannie
Monday, November 19, 2001 07:32:30 AM
IP: 12.110.236.64

Hi people, I manage to write two posts in two consecutive days!!! It is unbelievable!!!!

Josh:> A Dual G-4, right? Sheesh, another Mac addict...well, with such a system you should require only...lemme think...a ten years of continuous work, more or less...(scene: after 9 years, 11 months, 29 days and 23 hours of working, the system is about to complete when...POWER TURNS OFF!)
<> For some reasons, I think the same...;)

Sorow:> I know I am late, but Happy Birthday! I hope yesterday in the end revealed better than it appeared. Anyway...well, if this can be of consulation for you, you are not the only one who spent a birthday alone and without anyone remembering it...<> I cannot speak for the others, but I love you as well :)

Nothing more! Later!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Monday, November 19, 2001 06:42:42 AM
IP: 213.255.20.71

That first paragraph made no sense at all. It should have said "hours and hours of differential eqn's, and we didn't even get to fourier series."
Josh
Monday, November 19, 2001 04:08:23 AM
IP: 64.161.24.115

Hey.

Have you ever spent hours doing something you absolutely hated, and not gotten paid a dime for it? Of course you have. I think everyone has. Well, today, my experience in this area was particularly awful: hours and hours of differential equations. We didn't even GET to diffEQ's.

YAWN.

And if that wasn't bad enough, I had to come back and study afterward.

Today I learned the power of UNIX. How powerful is UNIX? Let's just say, don't use the command "rm *??*" in a folder full of lots of important files.

I'll be replacing my entire PSL collection tonight...behold the power of UNIX.

replies.

GB: <<Take a "liberal" attitude>>: There's a difference between "liberal" and "laid-back". <>: And I thought *I* was arrogant.

Silvadel: <<being a dragon would balance me out elementwise>>: Being a dragon would just make me worse. ;-) <<How are you expecting to see an invisible jet?>>: LOL good one. <<Your warrenty isnt even up yet>>: Girls come with warranties!? Good, then I can return the defective ones. <<You prob dont even have any body complaints yet>>: She's a teenage girl...of course she does. Not that she should, mind you. (ruff!).

Greg X: <<there are about five people asking every week>>: Every week!? I think its about 1-2 a day now. <<What families come to the Gathering?>>: Well, aside from those you mentioned, parents shouldn't be afraid to bring their kids to gathering. That's how we get the kids addicted. <<they're in the minority>>: "Mommy, what's a con virgin?" <<Willow is one of the ugliest people I've ever seen>>: I have some friends who are going to beat you up for that ;-) <<If they must get Spike together with a Slayer, get Faith out of prison and put those two together. And give them there own show>>: Oh HELL YEAH. That would be a really funny show. And I'll watch anything with Eliza... <<If we get the bid for G'03, I'll give you $100 to design one>>: I'm in for extra $25. <<one day I woke up and realised it was easier to be evil... and much more fun>>: Same thing happened to me. Was it high school for you too? <<Sauron was never Saddam Hussein's b!tch>>: LOL. <<I'll be sure to more polite in the future>>: No you won't.

Carolynn: <<Hopefully, come Thanksgiving, you'll just be able to veg out in front of the tube>>: Nope! I have three assignments due the following monday.

Crzy: <<we all got some hot chocolate, bundled up and layed out on the back lawn for a few hours>>: The second we got out of the car, I wished we had brought food and drinks. Instead, I was the only one who wasn't cold (turtleneck, beanie, sweatshirt, leather jacket). <<Naked Demona con badges? Don't tempt me>>: I think the IDEA is to tempt you. Well, you, and any other con-influencing people. <<When did you get so... so... EVIL?>>: Where have you been? ;-) <<GO HARRY, you cute little stud you>>: He's 10, you sick monkey.

Shadowrider: <<got a 9,5/10 in Turbines and a 8/10 in Analytical Dynamics of Fluids>>: Nice! I hope my grade on my fluids test is as good. <<You make your computer calculate integrals? It means allowing a machine to get all the fun>>: I've been doing integrals for the last 5 years straight. I don't want to anymore. <<it would need about six months of continuous working by a Cray-2 class elaborator>>: That's why I have a dual-800 G4...perfect for those big calculations ;-) <<it is something I'd really LOVE to see...for artistical reasons, what do you think?>>: I think she's overwhelmed by the requests for it.

Spacebabie: <>: As do I...this was well worth it. <<Game Cube, Yes he owns that system now>>: My brother finally bought a PS2...he loves it. <<How the heck can I FLIRT with my dad around?>>: Tell him he can't come with you. I would. <<does Demona need to powder her nose?>>: Doesn't matter...males only stare at her chest anyway. <<What kind? Let me guess Chocolate?>>: Actually no. It was glazed. Maybe THAT's why I didn't see what the big deal is. <<You remind me of Ken Burns, The Company computer guy>>: Is that a compliment? <<Shouldn’t be loving that stuff till your 21>>: Bah, phooey. I'm 20.167. And I've been drinking alcohol to some degree since I was a little kid. <>: We have about 10 cases of Smirnoff Ice from my roommate's sisters' b-day party...we stole it all. The great part is that I'm the only one in the apartment that drinks. <<Somehow I think your brother is smarter than mine>>: I bet not...and just to prove it I'm gonna try it out. <<Smartass>>: And that's why you love me. <<No so you can explain why your are staring “Were just reading her tag.”>>: I have no problems saying "yes, I was looking at your breasts"...but its funnier to feign ignorance. <<maybe I should a ttempt to write a fic for the Adult room>>: Hoo boy.

Siryn: <<the whole Gathering website is done>>: Congrats! <<because you can't have online registration without that blasted CGI script>>: I hope it works out. Registering online is the way to go...why can't you just use the CGI script from last year? <<Gathering website is up>>: Nice site!

DPH: <<As of a few days ago, there is no excuse for asking when Timedancer will be published>>: I doubt that will stop anyone. <<list conventional weapons available>>: Nuclear weapons are NOT categorized as "conventional". <<You should be able to sit down and have fun on your computer without bothered>>: Thank you.

Ravyn: <<I'll agree with Josh. Engineering sucks>>: I hear that! <>: If its any consolation, statics should be a joke.

Lee Shaw: The Gathering is a convention of garg fans. This year, its in Virginia. Last year it was in Los Angeles. Its a lot of fun.

Patrick: <<What a fine "welcome to the fandom" it is when someone who's never posted before asks an innocent question and gets attacked for it>>: Its not an "innocent" question when the information is available to anyone who looks for it. At that point, it becomes a "stupid" question, and I'm sure you can imagine how little tolerance the red-posters have for stupid questions ;-)

FS: Thanks for the link. See that before...I'd NEVER sit on that. That would hurt. Oh, and thanks for giving me a junk email addy that I couldn't reply to and making me post this in here ;-) <<It's better than being a butthead>>: See South Park. <<If you aren't there, your communications can be jammed>>: Not if I develop psychic powers. <<Are those 16x9 format>>: Hell yeah they are. 1600x1024, millions of colors, 160 degree viewing angle. All with ONE cable, and a built-in USB hub. They're awesome. My roommate's got one. <<Welcome...to MY world!>>: Hey dude, I live there too. <<contemplating adding more pics>>: Is it really such a deliberation? <<That password is so simple it is brilliant>>: Personally, I prefer line noise for passwords. <<WinBLows browsers>>: Use Opera. It rocks on Mac. <<Unless that's all she will be wearing, that's no fun>>: No, there are a few other acceptable items of clothing that can be added and still be 'fun". Or at least entertaining. <<Breasts in Binary!>>: 00.

Sorow: <<Today was my birthday. I'm 19. And what did I do all day? Nothing>>: Sounds like my 18th. Don't stress over it. It happens, especially when you're at school away from most of your friends and family. <<you all have seen me grow up for three long years. I love you guys>>: We love you too.

Okay, while my computer copies I'm going to sleep. Nite.

If you do that again, I will be forced to hurt you with extreme prejudice. -Brain, "Pinky and the Brain"
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, November 19, 2001 03:45:10 AM
IP: 64.161.24.115

hey everybody! i really got nothing to talk about... i finally got my room cleaned today for the first time since october 13th.

heehee, the other day at work.. one of the manegers was there... and the boss that owns the place was working with me... ya know, this story just proves how cool it is to work at a small town pizza place. you can say anything and get along with people. i was talkin gto the maneger lady... her name is Viv, and Jenifer, the owner. Viv said her back hurt. i said that my feet were hurting. Jenifer said "well, my ass hurts" i said that maybe she was sitting on it too long. she laughed and said i was lucky they liked me there. viv laughed and said that it could change. eh, but anyway... BOREING story. just felt like tellin it.

i think i gotta F in my algebra class now. i'm sooo damn lazy. i did get two assignments done though and ready to turn in. hmm... i gotta start workin harder!!!

hmm... well, i've got no issuses to rant about. i think i'll go to bed. see yall!

*i'm back on the road again, and i'm on my way*

-={Terrky}=-

Terrky K - [srs@postmark.net]
Kansas
Monday, November 19, 2001 01:43:29 AM
IP: 209.255.144.130

Imzadi: 
<No, no. Breasts on her face. Then we can look her in the eyes>
It's better than being a butt-head
<Jesus>
Drivers and utilities
<that doesn't change the body>
True. But I noticed that Willow is starting to wear more “bad” clothes!
<Does LM know that?>
She knows. And objects. And occasionally wins! ;)
<But they can't shoot me if I'm not there>
But if you aren’t there, your communications can be jammed.
<You can AFFORD a printer that prints images like that?>
I know I can relatively afford a poster printer that prints 1200 DPI.
<Yeah, and I want a Cinema Display>
That would be cool. Are those 16x9 format?
<No they aren't, don't be silly>
Yeah, I know. I am just getting the newbies hopes up.
<Really? My money is on 5. At the current rate, it will take 20 real years to get there>
Very true! :)
<Tech Support Rant>
Welcome... to MY world!

Christine: <well, don't look at me for painting eyeballs; that's about the only part of my body that never gains weight>
Maybe... but I think that should be a tradition for first time female gathering attendees! :)
<As for 2002, I think you're overestimating my influence but thankee anyway!>
But you will be missed.

Warpmind: <Yes, I've seen Friends. But I'm not the one who commented on Buffy the Vampire Layer>
Well, I just replied to a reply. I thought it was you.
Oh well.

Niamhgold: <Too messy>
If done right, no blood, no mess!
<You want to borrow my pitchfork?>
Thanks, but I got my scythe.

NukesGoBoom: <What i meant was HOW IS SHE UPDATING IT?>
She is just doing the CR Info Pages.
As for the rest of the CR, she is contemplating adding more pics.
As for how... Sorry, trade secret! :)

DPH: <Hmm. Next time, I will have the building swallowed hole by a black hole.>
Could work. But singularities are just SO messy!
<Please enter your password>
That password is so simple it is brilliant!

Gside: <Oh well, and it doesn't really matter. Pine is the email client, lynx is the browser.>
Ah. Well, that’s not on the server either.
I’l just stick with WinBlows browsers.

I think the fat and proteins in it could be rendered into a wax for candles.
<Mayhap. But they are 60 meg or so mp3s>
Interesting. Hour long each?
<Right, but Duel was primarialy featured during the duel. Or I am hallucinating>
Probably. I mean, caffeine does things like that.
<And they can't climb out to excape?>
Flypaper. They are glued down.
<Which sub board and topic? I'm assuming it isn't the Fear one he started. Oh, and fluttering?>
I have that info at the office. Ask me again later. ;)
Basicailly, some of the members of the board are gathering money together to buy Coa a whore.
<They're not for the salmon. She's going to wear them on her head.>
Unless that’s all she will be wearing, that’s no fun!

Emambu: <Hookers and potheads and flood gates, oh my!>
What an excellent combination! :)
<How mechanically kinky. You should let the CS majors read it in code mmmm... *drools* ;)>
Breasts in Binary!

Mooncat: <Do Gargoyles ever have to go potty? And where exactly would they do it at?>
“Owen, why does it look like the courtyard has been dug up?”
Or...
“Brendon, clean this crap off the car!”
I think Greg Weisman gave an actual answer.

Siryn: <I've spent the last 3 hours trying to get the formmail.cgi to work...and I'm about to go nuts..>
Good luck. LM and I have tried with the formmail for TGS before and I know it is a pain in the a$$. I gave up.
Fire storm
Monday, November 19, 2001 12:26:39 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Sorrow, you are NINETEEN... Your warrenty isnt even up yet, and you are in the prime of life... Just wait till you get a little older... Then wait till you get a lot older... You prob dont even have any body complaints yet... I will be 33 in January and yes I do definitely note differences from when I was 19. Not at all looking forward to being dads age(56).

Live life and be happy.
silvadel
Monday, November 19, 2001 12:12:58 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Hey all. I'm just a little depressed right now. Why? Today was my birthday. I'm 19. And what did I do all day? Nothing. I wasn't expecting anything big, but none of my friends could hang out with me today. They haven't even remembered it's my birthday yet. So I spent all morning writing my journalism paper and this afternoon I went to the mall alone and bought a new gargoyle to add to my collection. The only good thing that happened was my brother from Atlanta called me and said hello. Well, at least I'm another year older and you all have seen me grow up for three long years. I love you guys.
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:59:27 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Sorry, another post from me. Should really have included this in my other post...

What I'd really like to know is, how would someone (i.e. me) go about getting on the staff of TGS? Anyone out there who can help?
Lee Shaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Sunday, November 18, 2001 06:45:02 PM
IP: 212.127.20.3

LEE> Yeah, I'm the Head of Edits for TGS. I forwarded your e-mail to the list. I'll let you know soon.

PATRICK> You're right, we have been a little too harsh lately. I'll be sure to more polite in the future. Just been under a lot of stress lately.
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, November 18, 2001 06:42:28 PM
IP: 216.179.6.194

Sheesh... lighten up a little, TGS staff. Never have I seen so many of you being so uncaring and harsh. Do you even WANT anyone to read the stories? By these responses I'm seeing, it sure doesn't seem like it. What a fine "welcome to the fandom" it is when someone who's never posted before asks an innocent question and gets attacked for it. Things sure have changed since the days when I was on staff with TGS, I guess. Yes, we all had real life stuff going on in our lives back then, too... but we at least tried to be courteous in pointing that out to the fans.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, November 18, 2001 06:11:46 PM
IP: 66.72.204.39

Greg Bishansky - Am I to understand you work on 'The Gargoyles Saga'? Great! Perhaps you could tell me how to get in contact with you guys? The mail address on the site ( tgsfeedback@email.com ) doesn't seem to work. Someone in here said he could forward stuff to you guys, but I'm not sure if he did or not. Can you help?

If my mail has made it through to you, feel free to ignore the above...

While I'm posting, could someone fill me in on what The Gathering is? Sorry, but I'm sort of a newbie here...
Lee Shaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Sunday, November 18, 2001 06:11:32 PM
IP: 212.127.20.3

Greetings all...

Feets are soooo sore from work today... ten hours is a pain, but at least I didn't have to walk home. Ah, so nice having a car!

I think I finally settled on a name for this little Sundance... <turns to look at the 88-model car> I dub thee... Igor! (and don't call me Frodrik!) ^_^

ROBBY - Just to comment on the CGI Bruce Lee. In truth they don't have to do that... Just recently, my friends and I viewed a movie at a local convention called "Shaolin Soccer"; a rather fun little HK flick. The goalie on the good guy team was a very VERY convincing body and acting double of the late great Bruce. Even had his moxie and some of the signature smoothness of movement (move like water, remember?)... I recommend you check this movie out. Very fun, and cool! ^_^

Talk to everyone later... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, November 18, 2001 06:10:25 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

Emambu> Ohhh, yeah, that would be the Scotsman *behind* the character ... mmm ... and yeah, hoo boy, can he ever *sing* ... :)

And I'll agree with Josh. Engineering sucks. I have *three* tests on Tuesday, two of them in Statics and Vector Calculus. GAH!!! ;)
Ravyn
Sunday, November 18, 2001 06:09:06 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Silly DPH -- How are you expecting to see an invisible jet? =)
silvadel
Sunday, November 18, 2001 05:49:52 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

As of a few days ago, there is no excuse for asking when Timedancer will be published. The current episode page was updated recently to mention the status of TGS.

With that being said:

**incoming RP**
DPH says, "Computer, voice recognize DPH."

"Voice recognition accepted. Please enter your password," replies the computer.

"&&&&&&&&" replies DPH.

"Password recognized. What is your command?" replies the computer.

"Authorize use by any TGS staff member to use any weapons in this sytem to attack newbies who ask about the status of TGS," replies DPH.

Computer replies, "Please enter secured password:"

"$$$$$$$$$$", replies DPH.

"Password recognized and command accepted," replies the computer.

"Computer, list conventional weapons available," asks DPH.

"Thermo-nuclear missiles, nuclear grenades, nuclear bombs . ."
**END**

That's right: lurkers & newbies, beware of asking questions about TGS status. I didn't list the available unconventional weapons deliberately, or did I list all conventional weapons available.

Imzadi - I understand the feeling. You should be able to sit down and have fun on your computer without bothered.

Justice League - honestly, I was hoping to see Aquaman present. Also, I was hoping to see the invisible jet.

Emambu - I would have loved to have to write a more complicated program while in college. The most complicated thing I worked on (as homework) was writing a basic text editor rogram. During one of my class, I took time to take an entire program devoid of subroutines and clean up the code by adding subroutines and making it much easier to follow.

So far 10 spams a day.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, November 18, 2001 04:50:30 PM
IP: 204.94.193.59

Gathering website is up.

Online Registration won't be up until I get the formmail working..but that should be working soon. <:)

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/

Enjoy!..Hope you guys like it..<:)
Siryn - [siryn7@aol.com]
Sunday, November 18, 2001 04:41:15 PM
IP: 24.93.24.2

*words*
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Sunday, November 18, 2001 03:45:09 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

Well..I've got some good news..and some bad news..

The good news is..the whole Gathering website is done..the bad news is..I've spent the last 3 hours trying to get the formmail.cgi to work...and I'm about to go nuts..

And the reason why its such a big deal..is because you can't have online registration without that blasted CGI script.. -_-;;

Patrick> if you read this and happen to be online..and I'm online..I could REALLY use some help?

*sigh* Otherwise, I'm emailing Chris and waiting.

Sorry guys..Everything's up..I just can't link the site until online registration gets fixed. :(

Jenn> Well..Sara does have two jobs she's working at right now..although it is kinda annoying because I'm waiting on her for some other info too....

URG...hopefully the site will be up tonight...I HOPE.
I'll keep you guys posted..

As usual, any comments, questions, etc..email me or gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com...I suggest maybe get them into me by tomorrow...because I'll be gone for about a week and may not be able to answer until after that..

*walks out exhausted*
Siryn - [siryn7@aol.com]
Sunday, November 18, 2001 03:43:12 PM
IP: 24.93.24.2

Sorry for 2nd post...

GB:> I had not noticed your post as I typed mine...anyway.
So, it was the reason for which you named Giuliano, huh? OK, I can accept it...;)...jokes apart, I must confess I am not a big fan of Mario Puzo, so I didn't remember that detail you mentioned. Anyway, Giuliano was indeed a true figure. His elimination by the mafia, whose members gave the corpse to the authorities so that they could attribute Giuliano's death to themselves, has been mentioned by the historian Giorgio Bocca as one of the first acts of the infamous pact that allowed the mafia to infiltrate in Italy's political sphere. About the reasons for which they killed Giuliano, must be researched in his independentistic ideas for Sicily more than else.

See you all!
Shadowrider
Sunday, November 18, 2001 03:07:20 PM
IP: 213.213.20.137

I missed the Metero shower, oh well I tend to value my sleep.

Truns out I didn't have to cook last night. I had a turkey burger instead.

Well my brother went to the mall early today for one reason: Game Cube, Yes he owns that system now.

My dad is thinking about coming with me to the gathering, yes thats cool but..How the heck can I FLIRT with my dad around?

Emambu<<<the trick though is in getting everyone to stay.>>>Your staying I hope .<<<What of?>>>Well its one of those that wraps around the arm. In the center is the kanji for Faithful.

Mooncat<<<Cat boxes. Again>>>I hear you. I did manage to put a shield over it of canvas to limit the scattering of litter, but still. I’m glad Mix does her business outside the house.

Todd Jensen<<<That is interesting, but I thought that would just eliminate the use of baths cause all the dirt they accumulate from the night before would be sloughed off, but it makes me wonder…does Demona need to powder her nose?

Josh<<<The obnoxious part is that most of my math homework left me clueless>>> Story of my life, once again I’m thankful that I don’t have to take any more math classes again. My mother however does so she can be a pharmacist <<<had my first Krispy Kreme donut>>What kind? Let me guess Chocolate?<<<**COMPUTER RANT** >>>You remind me of Ken Burns, The Company computer guy.<<<Love that stuff>>>Shouldn’t be loving that stuff till your 21. I would have had a Smirnoff Ice, but my mom drank them all.
<<<LOL! I should try that on my little bro>>>Somehow I think your brother is smarter than mine.<<<Won't that hurt?>>>Smartass<<<we don't need excuses to stare.>>> No so you can explain why your are staring “Were just reading her tag.”<<<The dirty jokes keep it tolerable. >>>That’s the part you are enjoying<<<Even WORSE!>>>Don’t like creamy centers eh? Well I’m mostly hogging the ones filled with gooey rich caramel.

Crzy<<<YES!! We have converted another one!! J>>> Heh Heh heh, maybe I should a ttempt to write a fic for the Adult room.

Spacebabie
Orlando
Sunday, November 18, 2001 01:58:56 PM
IP: 64.159.110.216

UNOWN> <<It is okay, I'm used to it. I just been lurking for the past six months and I jut thought "why not just post?" and I get that.... Oh well. The only thing I do got now is my corner.>> Okay, I'm sorry I snapped at you. Come out of the corner and place your sanity in the jar with everyone else's ;)

JEN> <<METEOR SHOWER - WOW!!>> Aww man, I forgot all about it. I really wanted to see it. <<Naked Demona con badges? Don't tempt me!>> If we get the bid for G'03, I'll give you $100 to design one ;) <<When did you get so... so... EVIL??>> Well, one day I woke up and realised it was easier to be evil... and much more fun ;) <> Are you it's not because he's got big red pecs? Kidding ;) <<Sauron's set back is the One Ring. Without it, he's washed up. ;)>> True. But then again, unlike Satan, Sauron was never Saddam Hussein's b!tch ;)

"Let's start the day with a few new math problems. What is 5*2? Come on children, don't be shy. Just give it your best shot. Yes Clive?
"Twelve?"
"Okay, now let's try to get an answer from someone's who's not a complete retard. Come on, don't be shy."
-Mr. Garrison and Clive "South Park Bigger, Longer and Uncut"
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, November 18, 2001 01:58:13 PM
IP: 216.179.3.189

Hey everyone, people! Well, sorry if I haven't written in more than a week, but RL is keeping me busy. I've done 2 of my four tests, got a 9,5/10 in Turbines and a 8/10 in Analytical Dynamics of Fluids. I could have done better, but having to refresh old things while studying new ones does not help...
Well, some replies to do, too...hm, more than a week and I've just a couple replies to do...depression...;)

Josh:> You make your computer calculate integrals? It means allowing a machine to get all the fun! Jokes apart, the problem is that in dynamics of fluids integral calculations are extremely complex; in particular, if you consider turbulant airflows, the sheer number of variables makes calculations almost impossible (it's not the difficulty, but the quantity). Just to give you an idea, if you want to analyze the airflow around a wing with a discretization of 1.000.000 lines (may seem a lot, but I assure you it is a barely acceptable approximation), and you implement a direct intagral calculation, it would need about six months of continuous working by a Cray-2 class elaborator. And, a wing is a relativaly simple structure, compared to a medieval castle on the top of a skyscraper...

Niamhgold:> Nice to see you again into here! Did you get my email?
<<Nude self portait>> <A chorus starts in the background "NU-DA! NU-DA! NU-DA!"> Well, it is something I'd really LOVE to see...for artistical reasons, what do you think? ;)

Gside:> Check your email.

Emambu:> Check your email.

Time expired, try to write more later! See you all!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Sunday, November 18, 2001 01:52:05 PM
IP: 213.213.20.137

METEOR SHOWER - WOW!! I was really impressed. Meteors large enough to actually see the FLAMES on them as they entered the atmosphere, flying from horizon to horizon! My kids had some friends over and we all got some hot chocolate, bundled up and layed out on the back lawn for a few hours. Absolutely beautiful.

Justice League - I LOVE FLASH! Horny buggar. I really liked the show and I hope it is successful. Mind you, the story was about aliens attacking Earth... they landed in these huge firey meteors, so my son was expecting an invasion when we were out watching the Meteor Shower last night. Very cute.

SPACEBABIE - YES!! We have converted another one!! :)

EMAMBU - Naked Demona con badges? Don't tempt me!

GREG B - When did you get so... so... EVIL?? I am going to have to stand by Lucifer in the "Who'e more evil" contest between him and Sauron. Satan's only set back is that he still has to ask God for permission to tempt. Sauron's set back is the One Ring. Without it, he's washed up. ;)

HARRY POTTER - I loved the movie. For my two younger kids, it moved a bit too slow for them. The older ones were glued to the screen. Everyone is so impressed with Quidditch, I was more impressed with life size Wizard's Chess! The whole thing was fastastically cast and was definately a starter movie. Now we know who everyone is... now we can ROCK in the next movie! GO HARRY, you cute little stud you!

SIRYN - I see Sara's communication issues haven't changed at all. Good Luck.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:58:34 PM
IP: 63.28.181.37

Greg> It is okay, I'm used to it. I just been lurking for the past six months and I jut thought "why not just post?" and I get that.... Oh well. The only thing I do got now is my corner.
Unown
Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:25:33 AM
IP: 172.152.164.103

SKIPPY< <<Oh, I know of a few loonie right wing Xians (Atheist slang for the Religious Riche FYI) that have a bone to pick with Star Wars at least. The whole business with the force is in thier minds a slam against God. >>

That's really too bad, because the original Star Wars is some of the best movie-making I've seen (don't care too much for the recent additions ... just isn't the same without Han Solo and Luke Skywalker). It's interesting that Star Wars and Harry Potter show mythic archeatypes in modern day settings. Really, they're both just 20th and 21st century myths in the making :)

JOSH< Sorry to hear about your computer and engineering woes. Hopefully, come Thanksgiving, you'll just be able to veg out in front of the tube. Concerning my friend, trust me when I say she's bi and she's not doing it for attention. She finally admitted it to her parents beginning of school and her dad got really vulgar at her and her mom was no help. I felt really bad, and she's told me she really wishes she weren't bi cuz she felt kinda freakish. So I'm just more protective of her than usual, especially when people are just rude to her like that. Bad enough when it's behind your back from your "friends", but when one girl starts doing it to your face...

JAN< *chuckles about the guy trying to see his friends in jail* Man, Jan, everytime I think life's a little boring, I get another "day in the life" from you and I just have to smile...
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Madison, NJ, USA
Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:05:43 AM
IP: 12.89.150.40

UNOWN> <<Sorry, it is just everyone was once so in order about the stories. *goes to a corner and hides*>> Get out of the corner. Sorry, but I am just so sick of people asking this (and there are about five people asking every week. We are working very hard on the series right now as well as working really hard on more important RL stuff.

JOSH> <<But then it wouldn't be a "family-oriented" convention>> What families come to the Gathering? Apologies to the Morgans and the Weismans, but they're in the minority ;) <<Woohoo! Willow can go back to being straight now!>> But Willow is one of the ugliest people I've ever seen. I'd put her on the front page of www.uglypeople.com first chance I got. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that Willow is really a man.

And while I'm at it. If they must get Spike together with a Slayer, get Faith out of prison and put those two together. And give them there own show.
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, November 18, 2001 10:52:36 AM
IP: 216.179.3.189

Actually the meteor storm was pretty good early this morning. I set the alarm for 4:33am and watched the storm for roughly an hour. Saw lots of meteors and a few large ones. Just shy of day of the triffids. Was worth the early morning wakeup.

Josh -- Actually being a dragon would balance me out elementwise... I am mainly air/water. Fire is definitely my weakest element.

silvadel
Sunday, November 18, 2001 10:05:08 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Emambu> Thankyou for all the kind words! ^_^ Heh...and no I'm not really a mother Thereasa... ^_^;;

Anddd...its 9 am and I just have to finish a few more pages.....hehehe...*twitch twitch*

And...link to Bulletin Board again. :)

Oh, ps. I will NOT be available for partially tomorrow up until the 29th for Thanksgiving break. I'm not sure if I will be able to check email at my roomate's house. (I'm spending thanksgiving there since my mum,dad, and sis are galavanting around the world) Soo..if you have questions, and the answers are a bit slow...please have patience. <:)

Of course after that, I'll be back to answer all your gathering questions and needs! (well..maybe not needs.. ~_^)

Jan and Patrick> I'm STILL waiting on your questions..I think I'm going to call Sara today and see what's up.

Have a great day gang! :D
Siryn --2002 Convention Chair - [siryn7@aol.com]
Sunday, November 18, 2001 09:10:39 AM
IP: 24.93.24.2

Hello all. I wish I could post mor eoften but my NCO took away the Office keys and the threatcon is back to Bravo, so no QRF and no being in the Office beyond work hours. I'm getting internet installed in my room but it will be a while. No direct connection is available in my barracks, yet.

A few comments.

Unown> I am glad to see you back and posting. It has been ages. Funny yous houdl mention the Applegate books. I wonder how Senna would fare against Harry Potter, or better yet against Harry Pothead :)

Greg> Unown is rather snesitive. Don't be too harsh on her. Take a "liberal" attitude :)

Bronx> ::hugs:: I haven't seen you here in a while. Di dyou get my last e-mail. I thought you were bi, though. I guess with the Green Baron being taken, you gave up on men :)

Nukes> Maybe it would be best for all of us to avoid slang.

Shadowrider> I read Puzo's The Sicilian which has Micheal Corleone trying to recruit Guiliano, and I read that the character of Guiliano was real. They also made a poor movie about it with Christopher Lambert as Guiliano. I wantt o see it, but I owuld think it better if they include Michael Corleone (too bad Al is too old to play the young Michael) and have that Waltz theme as it begins. He has a posthomous book out The Family about the Borgias, which should be good.

That is all for now. I shall return and once I get internet in my room, it will be more often. I await a phone installation, now.
Green Baron
Sunday, November 18, 2001 08:36:04 AM
IP: 140.156.11.23

Howdy folks.

Today was a work day (shocker, huh?). I managed to barrel through my materials homework (one less book to take home!) and some more of my math, and still manage to study for my fluids midterm on monday.

The obnoxious part is that most of my math homework left me clueless...I guess I'll have to attend office hours tomorrow to find out how to do it.

I will have work to do over break, but at least this way there will be less to carry.

I just had my first Krispy Kreme donut. Okay, they're good. But I don't see what all the fuss is about.

The meteor shower, though...that was COOL! Watched it for about 45 minutes.

**COMPUTER RANT**

I suppose my biggest problem with all this computer repair stuff is that I'm tired of being taken for granted. Sure, I know a lot about computers. Yes, I'm an engineer (which is somehow associated with "brainiac", don't ask me how). Yes, I worked professional tech support for a while. No, that does NOT mean that I will (or even have the capability to) fix your computer.

I know many of my techie friends feel the same way. Just because we know about computers, that does not mean we exist to serve anyone's technological needs. Yeah, sure, you may do some favors for us, but a lot of the time you (no one in particular, just the generic "you") don't realize just how involved fixing a computer can be. People seem to think that we can just flip a switch and make all their problems go away. Sometimes, it IS that simple, but the vast majority of the time it isn't.

And geez, fixing a computer is a REALLY high-stress situation. Look at you guys, how frustrated you get over losing net access for a few minutes, or email for a day, or when your machine crashes. With computers, everything has to be fixed NOW, because "its so critical". The average person can't separate mission-critical computer usage from recreational use, and this causes a lot of stress for the people who you assign to fix it.

Not to mention the fact that if we give up, you give us dirty looks, annoyed dialog, and other unpleasantries. Fixing computers SUCKS, and quite frankly everyone who can't should pay for the services of others. THROUGH THE NOSE.

And none of that "I gave you life, isn't that payment enough?" NO! Payment comes in the form of cash, check, or money order. Or possibly food, if its a college student.

I get at least two calls a day from my mother asking for help doing this or doing that. She happens to be lucky enough to have a macintosh and I can help her. The calls are annoying, but no where near as annoying as coming home for break and having my dad say "fix my zip drive on my PC, which has never worked, when I bought a chip and operating system that you specifically told me not to"...only to have him yell at me when I confess the "inadequacy" of having no familiarity whatsoever with Windows ME, not to mention a complete lack of software/manuals.

Meanwhile, my little brother is 13. Over the summer, I bought him an iMac. Nothing special. It was cheap, bottom of the line, doesn't even have removeable media other than a CD-ROM drive. He loves it. And in the last few months, he's picked up more about operating the Macintosh than my mother has in 15 YEARS of using them. The only calls I get from him are "my printer sucks"...which I already knew when I bought it, because its an epson (and there's nothing I can do about it).

I hate fighting with machines. Especially when its not my machine. And that's what tech support is: battle. Its coercion, trying to get someone else's machine to do what they want.

Today, I had to help my mother figure out how to make powerpoint print in color. Apparently, everything ELSE printed in color, just not powerpoint. So first we had to test the other Office apps for color printing...took her 20 minutes just to figure out how to change the color of text in Word.

Now, keep in mind that I a) don't use office, b) hate microsoft, c) don't even have the same version of Mac OS as she does, so I'm troubleshooting blind, basing my experience of my last office usage: 97 for Windows. Which is NOTHING like 2001 for Mac. But that's not important. I know macintosh, so in my mom's eyes I should be able to fix this. Even though she's repeatedly insisted that she needs to "troubleshoot for herself".

Its just a little frustrating to have someone expect your help on something that you aren't an expert in. NO ONE knows everything there is to know about computers. Lots of geeks know a lot, but knowing a lot is very different from being able to fix everything. Remember, this professional tech supporter fried his graphics card because he didn't ground himself.

***END RANT***

Siryn: <<Really nervous..I've never been to a HUGE anime convention...nor really any anime convention at all really>>: If you thought we were weird...

Nukes: <<you didnt understand what I meant by the updates LM was doing>>: Says who? Maybe I was just giving you a hard time. <<HOW IS SHE UPDATING IT?>>: By a little thing called "uploading". <<WHAT changes will she make?>>: I'd imagine same old same old, adding previous weeks' CRs to the archive, possible even adding the new profiles section.

Unown: <<when is Timedancer coming back>>: Never. Stop asking. <<it is just everyone was once so in order about the stories.>>: Still are. They are coming out "later".

Spacebabie: <<Mike’s Hard Lemonade>>: Love that stuff. <<Cause its Thanksgiving you dim bulb!>>: LOL! I should try that on my little bro. <<Do you want us to answer that?>>: I figured I'd leave that one alone. <<I’m thinking of pinning mine to my arse or to my chest>>: Won't that hurt? <<just to give Josh and SJ an excuse to stare>>: we don't need excuses to stare. We're men. <<I’m turning into a slut>>: Is that a bad thing? <<and I blame Crzy and Mara>>: Well at least this one isn't my fault. <<And your enjoying it>>: Actually the class is rather dull. The dirty jokes keep it tolerable. <<Thanks for the reminder. I have a poem that’s due Monday>>: No problem. <<Hey it’s a great workout>>: Yes, yes it is. If I did it more often, I might get buff...nah. <<plus they got creamy centers>>: Even WORSE! <>: So you're saying you can be bought with drugs? <<With out>>: Wow. I'm impressed. I'd rather do the math lecture.

Mooncat: <<yes, I know. I was being slightly sarcastic>>: My bad. Normally I pick up on that stuff. <<that 35 to 40 disks is ALL text and picture files, music and videos and what not>>: WOW! And I thought *I* was a pack rat. Very well, carry on. It really sounds like an external (or secondary) hard drive would be a better backup system for you, so you don't waste all that money on CD's...even if they are CD-RW's and you can rewrite, over the long run they wear out, get lost, etc and will cost you a lot more than a 40GB external HD. <>: No, I'm not. Mostly because they become "ex's" when they really annoy me. <>: Is that a euphemism? If not, is that a PRIVILEGE!? <<do handy man type stuff... I mean, isn't that what ex's are for>>: If one of my ex's asked me to do any of that stuff, I'm sure I'd have several creative things to tell her to do to herself. But again, I'm only on good terms with one of my ex's. <<He can't bring her over to my house, because she is allergic to my cats and hyper sensitive>>: Ah, yes. My best friend is also alergic to cats...makes it hell for him when he's at my house. <<Sexist? Depends on who says it, and how it's said>>: Isn't that a lot like saying "nigger" isn't an offensive word if one black person says it to another? <>: See above rant. <<If you don't have good friends like that, ex's or otherwise, my condolences>>: Fear not, I do. I guess it just seemed to me like you were using him before. My apologies. <<But since I do so much erotic fiction and such, I don't generally like the idea of some of the head trips and crack pots that surf the net knowing what I look like>>: Ooh, good point. Didn't think about that. Very well. <>: I wholeheartedly agree. I have my badges from every con I've attended in the last few years. Not many, but still there. <<Do Gargoyles ever have to go potty? And where exactly would they do it at? I can't exactly picture them breezing into the Mens Room or the big ones fitting into the stalls>>: They go potty as often as the characters on Star Trek. Either that...or just think "giant pigeons".

Jan: <<makes it appear as if sorcery is an acceptable lifestyle>>: It is. I don't see what's wrong with it. Jesus performed "miracles", Merlin was the greatest sorcerer in literature, even some of the fae in Gargoyles are portrayed as honorable. None of these are any different from sorcery. <<A. I don’t want to B. I don’t have to and C. I have a son who enjoys that type of activity. What kind of mom would I be if I deprived my son of something that he enjoys to do that is harmless and educational?>>: Good points. But think how proud your son would be of you if you picked up some of it. I love it when I get to point to my brother and say that he learned all this stuff without virtually any help from me. <<then I will learn more about how to repair my computer>>: that's what my mom said when she bought my laptop: "I'll have to learn to be my own tech support blah blah blah"...two months later, I still get 2 calls a day. <<Mine is tomorrow>>: Happy birthday! <<he cardiologist highly recommended that I get back into a walking routine each night. Blah>>: Do it ;-). You'll be glad you did when you're 80 and DON'T look like my grandmother ;-) <<the entire family will be at my house for Thanksgiving>>: This is the first year I can remember that we aren't having a thanksgiving dinner at my house.

Silvadel: <>: Immortal, magical, fire-breathing...what more could I want? <<Anyone going to wake up at 4:00 or 5:00am to see the meteor shower tomorrow early morning>>: I'll probably be up that late 8-) <<They probably have their own toilet somewhere in the castle at xanatoses>>: Really BIG toilets. Made of solid titanium just in case the gargs are on the crapper at sunrise.

DPH: <<We're cheap>>: Huh? <<some of us like to be anonymous>>: Yeah, good reason I guess. Maybe its just cuz I don't worry about any of that stuff, I kind of expect other people not to. I'll stop doing that. I just like to know who/what I'm talking to. <>: I really think that's the best place to do it.

Gside: <<they are 60 meg or so mp3s>>: Those are some big mp3's. We have a couple larger ones...live concerts encoded into a single mp3. <<they can't climb out to excape?>>: Its a box with high walls. <<She's going to wear them on her head>>: why? <>: No I didn't. I meant more than one. <<You sure?>>: Quite. <<they're in a completely different college>>: I envy you. <<are mp3's fourier transforms or fourier series approximations>>: Transforms, I believe. <<It would explain why the field is so messed up>>: Not what i meant. <<But you'd still consider the top one, right?>>: Wrong. <<they were tools for the true bribe>>: Nice. <<Maybe for your state of mind, but otherwise I'd be fine>>: yeah, art students are much better looking than engineers...and some of them are female too. <>: Me neither. <<it's almost two full years>>: Happy anniversary.

Ravyn: <>: Suck! Sorry about that. <<That's not cool at all>>: No, its not. People shouldn't do that to each other. <<Lightsabers, and of course, just 3 magical words>>: "Dark Jedi Duel"? <>: Don't even start.

Sorow: <>: I feel your pain. Mine takes longer, though.

Emambu: <<College work has taken up most of time>>: Same for the rest of us, I think. <<give me a ring and I'll gladly whore... err, extend... my services to you all>>: I may just take you up on that. <<Whereas I still have to prove my existence in this room>>: If I see you at G2k2, then you exist. Else probably not ;-) <<Does this post count? It HAS been two months>>: Yeah, but before that you were regular. So "wilekian" is the adjective of choice. <<We're going to nail you to the stake before long>>: I thought we nail people to crosses. <<ok, maybe next time when I'm in a better frame of mind>>: Killer rant dude! <<The cravings are lessening but they just won't go away>>: I don't bother. This is one addiction that isn't likely to kill me. <<It's called Real Life, and everyone has one... even me shockingly enough>>: I don't believe it. Or maybe I just make sure to post every day despite my real life, simply because I need to keep in touch with my friends here. <>: Does that mean you're gonna keel over? <<Because you love us>>: Right. That. <<Unfortunately, there aren't enough of us to go around>>: The bigger problem is that most writers don't think they need them. <<but how long will that be? A month, two, six>>: One month at the most. <<will you provide some feedback for said author when you do "get around to it?">>: Depends on how much time I have. <>: Then its still a price. <<Don't forget the ones who take weeks are the same ones who try hard to cover all aspects of a story, and also work in their spare time because RL takes up most of it>>: The guy who's stuff I read just got three reviews that were overdue by about a month. I get to it when i can. <<some of my friends continuously change their usernames>>: I tell those people its their problem and not mine. <<The real question is: do you care either way?>>: Probably not. <<no crying about sexual harassment if you practically force our faces into your chests by writing the names in small letters>>: The problem is that my eyesight is perfect...and I'll be putting my nose to boobs anyway ;-) <<Oh yeah... suuuurre. You know you like it>>: No comment. <<Sounds like an awful place to wake up at>>: You have no idea. <<WHY CAN'T YOU RUN 400m IN UNDER 50 SECONDS?! IT'S NOT THAT HARD!>>: Yes, but you're implying that the company you keep is mentally incapable of fixing computers. <<Bully for you, mate. Now try taking on five more authors and still keep a 2-3 week turnaround with exams bearing down on you>>: No thanks, I have a life. <<The story of my life these past two weeks, minus this past Thursday and Friday>>: Yeah ditto. <<You should love it then>>: No, the class is pretty boring. <<How is _that_ craptastic movie good news>>: It was cool. Not a great movie, but still cool. <<You do... every single night apparently>>: I have my priorities. I refuse to work after 11PM. <<Why stop with just chocolate?>>: Good point. <<You're obviously not as special as you think you are>>: But I'm SJ's clone, so I must be at least as special as him. <<Have I recently mentioned how much I hate you?>>: No. <<And poor animation, and no plot>>: Nevermind the details. <<Wuss... I was up until 5:30>>: Wuss. My roommate was up till 7. <<for G'02 we should just have a naked Demona for the tag pic>>: But then it wouldn't be a "family-oriented" convention. <<For an ex, this guy sounds like he's on a pretty short leash *grins*>>: Exactly my point. <<Sounds like it could be a sitcom>>: Or a porn. <<so maybe you're not as innocent as I thought>>: What made you think that? <<it'll take a little over 17 days>>: Bah. <>: Calc II was a worthless class for me. And Calc II was just Calc II in 3-D. <<What the heck happened to the women of this fandom while I was gone>>: I drugged them all. <<how can I get in on this?>>: Go to G2k2. <<Ever see the movie Office Space?>>: GREAT movie. <<you've got a pitchfork up yer ass>>: OW! <>: Me too. <<Key word being "yet?">>: There's hope. <<can't go wrong with Italian food>>: You can if its all there is to eat for 3 weeks straight. <<Well, I'll certainly help you test that theory out to see if it's true for guys also>>: Um...how will you do that exactly? <>: A LOT. <<when I'm older, I'll have earned the right to complain about everything>>: You're an engineer, right? <<you'd think we all liked each other in here or something>>: Or just that a lot of us were dating each other. <<What did your bf have to say about that?>>: He probably said "I get bragging rights!" <<Where the heck have you been driving it>>: Everywhere, apparently. <<Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Just look at the Religious Right>>: Or forestry majors.

Todd: <<Anya's bungled spell-casting producing a real plague of bunnies>>: They're already a plague. <<it looks as if Tara's gone>>: Woohoo! Willow can go back to being straight now! <<What is it, though, that attracts Buffy to undead guys?>>: Standard girl line: "he's different". <<waste elimination isn't something that I generally dwell upon>>: You!? I'm shocked.

Christine: <<within some reason of discretion>>: You're no fun...

Greg X: <<Next person who asks when TGS is starting up again will have something very bad happen to them>>: You realize that no newbies will read this warning. <you'll have to be more specific. I am responsible for many, many things>>: LOL! <<We should have that!>>: We need someone who can draw demona naked...WELL. I've seen so many crap porn drawings of Demona, that won't cut it. <<Anyone can stick a pitchfork up someone's as>>: And many do. <<Maybe she should be burnt at the stake. I think it'd be quite appropriate>>; They used to burn lesbians at the stake. Called 'em "witches" or some such nonsense. <<It's the coats>>: Clothes do make the man. <<Girls are attracted to the coats>>: Now I know what I've been doing wrong! <<I'm sure Aaron wears his for the same reason>>: He's got a girl.

Okay, its 330 and I have to be up before 3 tomorrow. Good nite.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless. -hyoo, slashdot.org
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, November 18, 2001 06:29:35 AM
IP: 64.173.21.50

hey everyone! sorry bout the double post thingy... i really wish theyd make it so that the shift button was not right by the return button... o.o or maybe i could just work on my typing.

but anyway... at least they finally told us that the timedancer will be in winter instead of fall. now everyone knows to wait for it and shut up about it. but hey, the timedancer is a pretty big hit. it just goes to show ya how much people like what the TGS staff is doing.

well, not much goin on now... nothing to rant about. so i will be off!!!

*rides the storm out*

-={Terrky}=-

Terrky K - [srs@postmark.net]
Kansas
Sunday, November 18, 2001 01:01:53 AM
IP: 63.252.221.139

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Terrky K - [srs]
Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:56:37 AM
IP: 63.252.221.139

Hey, guys :) Real quick, just stopping by. Bedtime soon cuz I'm beat. Saw the Harry Potter movie. It was good, but I still say nothing beats out the books, which are pure gold. 'Sides, since I knew what was going to happen before it did, it was hard to get really involved in the movie's plot ("Wow! Quidditch! Wow again! The bad guy is..." kind of deal...).

Emambu< Actually, I am a Drew female ;P Small world after all.

BED!!
Carolynn Marie
Madison, NJ, USA
Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:05:44 AM
IP: 64.12.103.169

Oh well -- Missed getting a number this time -- I am not a number -- I am a free man....

Mooncat -- In the old days they likely had straw for the gargoyles... They probably have their own toilet somewhere in the castle at xanatoses...

Greg -- They could have already killed Osama for all we know -- However unless they get a body my guess is that they have enough taped stuff to have Osama be alive for at least 2 or 3 years after he is dead.

silvadel
Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:02:30 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Greg Bishansky> Sorry, it is just everyone was once so in order about the stories. *goes to a corner and hides*
Unown
Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:33:30 PM
IP: 172.170.198.247

I predict that Osama bin Laden will be dead or captured by the end of the month. Hell, by the middle of next week maybe. The noose is tightening, Osama. Prey to Allah while you can. Heh heh heh heh.

Next person who asks when TGS is starting up again will have something very bad happen to them! ::points at the newbie lurking about:: Yes, I mean you!

MOONCAT> My sympathies to your recent bad luck. SUcks when things like this happen at once. I've been there.

MANDOLIN> <<(Yes, I'm biased against CBS in particular. It's a long story.)>> I want to here this also, as I hate CBS. Mostly because all the shows they play are crap. IMHO of course.

JOSH> <<Is that a good or a bad comparison?>> Hmmm, don't know. Ok, I'll rephrase it. Sauron makes Satan look like that really nerdy cry-baby we all knew in our lives. I think you'd love Sauron. <<Oh, so YOU'RE that bastard that's responsible for all this ;-)>> Um, you'll have to be more specific. I am responsible for many, many things.

EMAMBU> <<You know, for G'02 we should just have a naked Demona for the tag pic.>> YES! YES! We should have that!!! But if Siryn doesn't want to do that, it could be done for G'03. Aaron, Mara? What do you think? <<Ever see the movie Office Space?>> Yeah, didn't really care for it. But I'd like to destroy the bookstore ;) <> Bah. Anyone can stick a pitchfork up someone's ass. Tempting people and taking their souls for eternal torture is mere child's play. But Sauron giving the nine kings their rings of power and then using the One RIng to transform them into the Nazgul... now that is a work of art. Satan is a mere amateur. In a conflict with Sauron, Satan would end up bowing at Sauron's throne.

TODD> <<Just saw the latest episode. I definitely think that Willow needs to check into a "Magic-users Anonymous" place, if one exists. (Sunnydale being what it is, there probably is one somewhere, if hidden away. I can just see it now. "My name is Willow Rosenberg, and I'm addicted to using magic to solving all my problems." All the other wizards and witches present: "Hi, Willow.")>> Nah, Willow just needs to suffer unbearable torture. Maybe she should be burnt at the stake. I think it'd be quite appropriate. <<as for Buffy and Spike, well, I haven't really decided what I think of that development>> It's no secret what I think of it. I think the whole notion of Spike being in love with Buffy is trash. <<What is it, though, that attracts Buffy to undead guys?>> Bah, it's not the fact that they're undead. It's the coats. Angel often wore a cool coat, and Spike wears his coat all the time. Girls are attracted to the coats. Why do you think I wear my coat? I'm sure Aaron wears his for the same reason.

"He's not crazy, he's an idiot. I know how to deal with these people."
-Eric Cartman "Osama bin Laden Has Farty Pants"
Greg Bishansky - [The Dark Lord]
Barad'dur, Mordor, Middle-earth
Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:26:08 PM
IP: 216.179.3.154

Emambu > why, you can always order them off of my site! Signed, too, with any message (well, within some reason of discretion) that you'd like. ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, November 17, 2001 09:53:12 PM
IP: 64.24.214.41

Well, I've heard it theorized among some fans that the pieces of stone skin that flake off them at night are the gargoyles' manner of waste elimination. (Truth to tell, I've never given it any serious thought; waste elimination isn't something that I generally dwell upon.)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 17, 2001 09:36:12 PM
IP: 168.191.109.220

Fleur, Mandolin, Jan, and everyone who's offered sympathies on my computer woes, thank you. Your empathy is appreciated.

Anyone see Justice League today? I thought it was pretty good. Interesting twist on the origins.

Well, it's raining and the air here is damp... ack. I hate damp air. Would close up the house and hit the climate controll but trying to save money after all the expenses lately. Just got my house/property tax bill for the year, $2400. I feel so poor now. It's the lump sum shock of it all after buying the car. If I want to make the Gathering this year, it's Rice, Ramen Noodles and Slim Fast for meals for the next year or two. yuppers...

Went running in the park and got rained on right on my last lap.

Now have to do more house work. Cat boxs. Again. Why can't they make cats that don't need to poop? Anton Sevarius, where are you when I need you?

Which leads me to the odd thought... Do Gargoyles ever have to go potty? And where exactly would they do it at? I can't exactly picture them breezing into the Mens Room or the big ones fitting into the stalls.

Maybe they have reeeeeeally efficient metabolisms and don't have any waste.

The odd things one thinks of while trying to put off cat box duty. sigh.

Okay, signing off now.
Mooncat >^,,^<

now playing
"Buffy the Musical"

Mooncat
Saturday, November 17, 2001 09:10:45 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

To everybody here who asked about my job interview: No, I haven't heard anything back as yet. But the interview did have a very promising feel to it.

* BUFFY SPOILERS *

Just saw the latest episode. I definitely think that Willow needs to check into a "Magic-users Anonymous" place, if one exists. (Sunnydale being what it is, there probably is one somewhere, if hidden away. I can just see it now. "My name is Willow Rosenberg, and I'm addicted to using magic to solving all my problems." All the other wizards and witches present: "Hi, Willow.")

Among the highlights for me were: Anya's bungled spell-casting producing a real plague of bunnies (she'll never live that one down!)
Spike's remarks about being "a vampire with a soul". (Good thing that Angel's in L.A. and couldn't hear a word of that).
Giles and Spike actually believing - nay, fearing - that they're related.
And I got a big chuckle out of the amnesiac Buffy going by the name of "Joan". Well, it certainly struck me as very appropriate (assuming that the Joan that the writers had in mind was the 15th century French saint).

I'm sorry to see Giles go as well, but at least we have our memories of him - and they're currently showing syndicated reruns of "Buffy" as well, so we have those too. (They show them in St. Louis on Saturdays only an hour or two before the new "Buffy" episodes, giving me a double dose of the show; the one that they showed here today was the Moloch episode from Season One, which introduced Jenny Calendar to the series). And the BBC series, even if it doesn't get shown in the States. (I'd certainly like to see it; it's supposed to involve ghosts. Giles perhaps serving as a consultant to British people plagued with paranormal occurrences?)

And it looks as if Tara's gone (though I really can't blame her; I wonder if her departure will bring Willow one step closer to going dark, assuming that she ever does go dark).

Quite a good episode; as for Buffy and Spike, well, I haven't really decided what I think of that development. What is it, though, that attracts Buffy to undead guys?

* SPOILERS END *

JAN - The notion of "The Wizard of Oz" being just a dream was an invention of the movie; in the book, Dorothy really does have the adventure. (Just one more piece of proof that the movie has vastly overshadowed the original book by Baum).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, November 17, 2001 09:10:27 PM
IP: 168.191.109.220

10th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, November 17, 2001 09:08:02 PM
IP: 165.230.240.114

Top Ten!
Coyote and Ravyn
Saturday, November 17, 2001 09:00:52 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

7th or 8th?

Mooncat was here!
Mooncat
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:56:26 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Oh yeah... seventh! My lucky number too. :)

---Emambu
Emambu
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:54:43 PM
IP: 130.49.76.110

Finally, a post long enough for me to feel the need to use my favorite pic. And yet, oddly enough, though I haven't actually posted in over two months there really isn't that much to talk about as far as what I've been doing. College work has taken up most of time. When I'm not studying, soccer keeps me occupied (and I'm really glad I picked up the sport again - I forgot how much I loved to play, though I have to take it easy because of my knees *grins*), as well as editing stories, writing, and singing. Sang at Light Up Night in the Pittsburgh last night (Archwolf, were you able to get down there last night? It was nuts, people everywhere). Got to practice over Thanksgiving break as well since our smaller solo group's got some exposed lines (a capella singing, Liszt style, which is never fun) and our concert's in early December.

*reads over* And that's pretty much it. Sad really *grins*. Right now, I've got the symphonic soundtrack of Princess Mononoke playing, and looking for a relaxing weekend that won't happen because I got suckered into being social. I am looking forward to break though as it gives me an excuse to hang out with the Philly crowd who are a lot more fun because they're a bunch of big dorks like me.

Gathering Stuff: I am bringing my car down (assuming the Mafia Cruiser survives to the end of June) for this year's Gathering. The car is rather large and can hold a dozen migrant workers or, for more practical purposes, four people with luggage at once (excluding the driver who will most likely have unpacked by that point). If you are flying or taking a train in, don't have another means of getting to the con, and don't feel like paying for a cab, then give me a ring and I'll gladly whore... err, extend... my services to you all. ;)

Lynati: Got your e-mail! *grins* Will reply to it tomorrow I hope as your responses have opened up new fic questions. Don't you just love my curiosity? ;) <<And apparently the Amtrack station is about a 3 mintue drive from the hotel.>> Remember to give me a call when you get in if you'd like a free ride to and from the station. <<is there an acceptable bribe to try to get a space on art-chicks if one cannot draw hunky men very well?>> Hunky gargoyles could alo work... <<pre-reg'd for my spring semester classes. woo.>> Good luck in the upcoming semester. <> Whereas I still have to prove my existence in this room. <> Ooh... could I possibly see some of your artwork as well? I think I've seen maybe one picture. my website address: emambu@commanchamber.net holds a LOT more than my hotmail account, so it'd be easy to send it there.

Gside: <<How about a first born son?>> Not unless you can give him all of Episode II before it's released in theaters. <<No, a long time is a Wilekian post lag.>> Does this post count? It HAS been two months. <<Sorry about that, clicker finger messed up.>> Jeez, and you posted in the wrong color earlier this week too. We're going to nail you to the stake before long. <<That was an ugly exam. I couldn't get the transistor to stay in the active state.>> Ouch, I take it you haven't yet gotten a grade back for it? <<But I thought we liked Skippy.>> But it comes in so many forms. How can you know which to like? ...Or are we talking about CR Skippy? <<True, but that's only because they've been coming at it from the wrong side.>> On that token, you could also call Industrial Arts Engineers to be true engineers. <<And I will probably be one of them>> Don't worry, I'll join you as well. <<Aw, and here I was hoping she got into it, leading into a massive lesbian orgy>> Wishful thinking. Maybe next time... <<Though I do have a picture of myself in my directory, and I have no problems.>> ...yet <<Ooh, it's almost two full years I've been here. Just about 4.5 more hours>> Congratulations! You're an old man of the forum I think.

Coyote: Well, hopefully you and Ravyn will at least post more often than I do. That's all we ask. I’m glad to hear you’re mom is ok too. My mom was in a car accident not too long ago and received a nasty concussion. Took several months for her to recover completely. I wish your mom the best of health.

Fleur: <<A while ago, I was discussing what makes good fanfic with a couple of online friends, and we got onto the wonders that are proofreaders.>> *Ears perk up* <<there's none for the Gargoyles fandom>> *nods* something that has always annoyed me. I'm very raw as far as a fanfiction author goes so I would have liked more than four comments on my first fic. I think Archwolf is starting to understand this as well. <<if you're interested in the idea you can click on the link below>> I am most definitely interested; however, the unpredictability of RL has kept me as a freelance editor. I'd love to work on it a bit more often but I don't know if I can devote time. *shrugs* Time will tell, but I am interested. I try hard to be a good editor as well as thorough in all aspects. <<The most famous are the old 'Mother getting her trapped child out from under the wheels' scenarios>> 105lb mom getting her four year-old son's leg out from underneath a TV that she never would have been able to lift even on her best days *grins* <> What about Moochie? <<my best friend's house got broken into yesterday,>> *growls* That's awful! Any luck catching the creeps? <<I'm feeling all left out now>> You want rant? I'll give you a rant. *takes a deep inhale that turns into a voilent cough. Pauses for a few seconds then smiles faintly* ok, maybe next time when I'm in a better frame of mind... ;) <> I'm on the CR patch myself. The cravings are lessening but they just won't go away! <> No, I think it's just because you want to be on top. :) <<Disney probably WOULD be that stupid>> It's not like all their decisions in the past were the right ones.

Fire Storm: <<Amsterdam>> Hookers and potheads and flood gates, oh my! <<So, no pics of the Coyote/Hyena/Matrix sex scene, eh?>> How mechanically kinky. You should let the CS majors read it in code mmmm... *drools* ;) <<WHAT THE FRELL? Why is everyone leaving?!?!>> It's called Real Life, and everyone has one... even me shockingly enough. I remember a time when you _barely_ posted as well because you were understandably busy. <> I have got to get my hands on the Record of Lodoss Wars series. That's my next big purchase. Unfortunately, a lot of little purchases stand in my way. <<And the women with big breasts tend to draw eyes on their breasts!>> They have a good sense of humor. <<Welcome to the Society. ;)>> Ooh... you're a member too? :) <<your post made no sense what so ever!>> And yet, sadly, I still understood what he was saying. <<(I want to hear!)>> I do too.

Josh: I told you I'd make a full post before I died! <<Why do I have a feeling I'm gonna wind up going no matter what the price?>> Because you love us? <<I'm THERE! I'm probably flying in Thursday if I go.>> I'm most likely driving down Thursday. And I'll shuttle in as many people as I can, help reduce minor costs and all that. <<What is my sex doing there?>> Most likely smoking a bowl and engaging in random fornication. <<That gets...awkward ;-)>> I wouldn't be surprised if you take longer to read them than is necessary ;) <> Yeah, me too. Proofreaders are a worthy investment. Unfortunately, there aren't enough of us to go around. <<I'll get around to it.>> See, to a new writer that's a little disheartening. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you will read it, but how long will that be? A month, two, six? And will you provide some feedback for said author when you do "get around to it?" <<Dragonhulk: Never.>> LOL! Ask a stupid question... well, we all know the rest. <<everyone has their price.>> I don't. Well, let me amend that, I don't have a monetary price. ;) <>. Did you say something? <<And I know that writers just LOVE having to wait weeks for proofs>> S'cuse me? You think you can do a better and faster job, then you do some proofs. Don't forget the ones who take weeks are the same ones who try hard to cover all aspects of a story, and also work in their spare time because RL takes up most of it. BTW, don't read too much into the above. I'm not insulted and I'm trying to be insulting. Merely pointing out a fact. <<Figured out a nice way around that on AIM, at least>> Yeah, you don't let anyone in unless they're on your buddy list. I'd do that myself except some of my friends continuously change their usernames. Makes it hard to keep up, not to mention inefficient. <<No thanks, I choke on small bones.>> ROTFL!! <<Don't stand a chance, do I?>> The real question is: do you care either way? <<Hey, they're YOUR boobs.>> *nods* So no crying about sexual harassment if you practically force our faces into your chests by writing the names in small letters. My eyesight had degraded over the years. I'm now down to 20/15. I'll probably need reading glasses in another ten years. <<That or "daddy", but I have no idea what's up with that. Really.>> Oh yeah... suuuurre. You know you like it. <<Or when they all die of Anthrax poisoning.>> Hey... they thought it was crack. That's not MY fault. <> Sounds like an awful place to wake up at. <<You want to back up safely? Get another hard drive>> Damn straight! <<ITS NOT THAT HARD!!>> As you see it. Some people have a harder time doing things than others. It's the way we're put together. Some have a fear of it, others were just never taught, and still others just can't learn. I for one was in the second category for a long time, but I did learn. There are some things I just can't do: chemistry for one thing. However, there are some things I can do rather easily (or used to before my knee developed tendon tears) that I'm pretty sure most of you would struggle with... at least initially. WHY CAN'T YOU RUN 400m IN UNDER 50 SECONDS?! IT'S NOT THAT HARD!! <<No, I'm an editor working for free for one person>> Bully for you, mate. Now try taking on five more authors and still keep a 2-3 week turnaround with exams bearing down on you. <<Okay, I'm tired and annoyed>> The story of my life these past two weeks, minus this past Thursday and Friday. <> You should love it then... <<we got an A+ on the last one that I wrote>> Congrats! Hope this one goes as well. <<The good news is that we got Swordfish and Final Fantasy on DVD.>> FF I can understand, but Swordfish? How is _that_ craptastic movie good news? <<New Star wars trailer on apple's site. God that movie is gonna suck.>> You think? I dunno, I've seen all four trailers as well and while I'm very suspicious of Hayden Christianson's acting abilities, I do think that this one will be darker; ergo better *grins* <> Some kind of moron. <<Who has time for breaks!?>> You do... every single night apparently. <<Seriously. Chocolate.>> Why stop with just chocolate? <<HEY! I didn't get a lap dance for MY birthday!>> You're obviously not as special as you think you are. <<In three weeks, I'll be saying the same thing>> Have I recently mentioned how much I hate you? ;) <<Don't think so>> Actually, not too long ago, this site used to rack up nearly twice the amount of posts in a given week than it does now. And no, they weren't flames, they were average posts like most of the ones this week. <<Heavy Metal 2000 rocked. It had violence and hot naked chicks>> And poor animation, and no plot... <<Okay its 3AM...even geeks need their sleep>> Wuss... I was up until 5:30. <<A witty saying proves nothing>> I have nothing to prove though, so I guess it's ok... assuming my posts are even witty in the first place. My turn: "If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent Him."

Mooncat: I missed the sex debate... *snaps fingers* drat! ;) <<Agh!!! It's official =( Just heard from my insurance adjuster that my car is totaled>> ugh... sorry to hear that, but at least you have a new one. And though you may be three grand lighter you did escape without any serious harm it seems, so there's always good in that. <<I'd rather have spent this getting to the Gathering and buying cels... sigh.>> Are you still going to be able to go to the Gathering this year? <<Did you ever have one of those milleniums?>> *chuckles* boy have I ever... <> Think of this as a learning experience. You won't do that again, right? :) Still, I'm sorry to hear you lost your writing. Having had similar things happen in the past, I know it's aggravating. But at least most of it's recoverable from your friend. All's not lost. <<Must be the smoked salmon and cream cheese with dill>> *mouth waters* Actually, my cat _loves_ salmon. And why not? :) <<Raw is better, but tonight I can live with smoked>> I sense a double meaning, what are you implying? ;) I've always preferred refined myself but I guess raw works too. <<and here I am>> and we're glad to have you. <> *grins* Any products of those talents coming out soon? <<Badges? We don't need no stinkin badges!>> Terrible. ;) <<You can see some of my favorite con badges from A-kon if you like>> Rather busty. How can a guy not stare? You know, for G'02 we should just have a naked Demona for the tag pic. That'll top these A-kon goers. ;) <> For an ex, this guy sounds like he's on a pretty short leash *grins* <<But since I do so much erotic fiction and such, I don't generally like the idea of some of the head trips and crack pots that surf the net knowing what I look like>> Might actually be a good idea. BTW, you have a website? <<My dealer even put a "guardian angel" in the car when I went to pick her up>> *scratches head* She put a guardian angel in your car?

Patrick: <<Another plane crash in NYC. Airbus A300 with over 250 aboard crashes 5 minutes after takeoff from JFK into a residential section of Queens>> Was ruled to be a mechanical error I believe. But that still doesn't make it any less tragic. <<Out of show answer: it's a cartoon and it looks damn cool.>> No argument here. <<all things forbidden under the rule of Taliban, who are no in hot retreat for Kandahar to the south>> Which they'll abandon soon if they haven't already. Of course, now people are thinking the Northern Alliance is moving too quickly. I understand the idea of not wanting to trade one tyrant for another, but still... Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that this will turn out to be lose-lose for everyone in the end if it hasn't already?

Christine: <<the Plain Brown Wrapper issue is still a nebulous possibility).>> So... next issue it is then. <<Harry Potter and the Exchange Student>> Sounds like it could be a sitcom. <> What? First gathering I go to is the one gathering you're not going to? How am I supposed to buy all your books now? <<As for 2002, I think you're overestimating my influence>> I think you underestimate yours. But regardless Fire Storm is correct. If you don't go, then your family probably won't go, and the people that you could have roped into going won't go. Hence lower attendance. Maybe not on an extreme level, but it'll certainly be noticeable. Anyone who says that can't go means a lower turnout.

Siryn: <<The handy dandy all purpose...Gathering Bulletin Board>>. Checked it out once and there weren't too many posts. But then, that was on the day it was opened so I guess I shouldn't have been expecting a lot of people. :) I look at it after I post here and see if there are any questions that I might have. <<Its the simple things you can do that make people feel a little more confident about themselves and feel all warm inside>> You wouldn't, by any chance, be Mother Theresa in disguise would you? <<Although tiny letters IS an interesting way of meeting guys>>. Ok... so maybe you're not as innocent as I thought. ;) <> Lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky.... <<and there were 5 schoolbuses parked outside>> That could be a good sign or a bad sign. Hopefully the former. Hope getting the site up is a painless process and thanks again for your all your efforts. As a part of the masses, I really do appreciate it.

Warpmind: <<including an ORCHESTRATED version of Frog's Theme from ChronoTrigger...>> Niiiice. Hey, out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to know where I could find the soundtrack to The Wings of Honneamise would you? I finally found a store that sells it but it's on backorder. I'd have to wait 'till January. If I could I'd like to get it before Christmas and give my brother a copy, but it's not essential. <<Methinks I shall try to do that one, actually...>> How about "Superman" by Five for Fighting? You could probably get a gargoyles theme going with it as well. <<do you even consider to hear through all that music in your statistically estimated lifespan?>> If my roommate plays all his music from start to finish it'll take a little over 17 days. That's long, but it's certainly not a lifetime.

SOROW: <<Great news concerning my grades>>. Congrats on all accounts. I hope I can be like you and turn my Calc II grade around. Good luck with all your other assignments.

Spacebabie: <<Whoa Everyone is coming out of the woodwork.>> The trick though is in getting everyone to stay. <<Well my brother did it he got a tattoo on his arm last night>> What of? <<My Brother is an idiot.>> Most brothers are. <<Changes into a bikini and gives SJ a lap dance>> O_O! Just when I thought this room couldn't surprise me anymore... ;) <<Which I washed down with Mike’s Hard Lemonade>> Hard day with the family? Have a Mike's Hard Lemonade <<Yes I’m turning into a slut and I blame Crzy and Mara>> What the hell? You too, and Niamhgold's thinking of doing a nude self-portrait. What the heck happened to the women of this fandom while I was gone. ...And how can I get in on this? ;)

Greg Bishansky: <> Ever see the movie Office Space? <<I've got another job lined up and my friend from High School is the manager>> Awesome. Hope this one works for you. <<Every single person agrees that what happened is not my fault>> Well, yeah... waiting two hours for a boss that never shows up? I'd probably walk away too. Again, good luck with your new job. <> I dunno... Satan's got a real underhanded approach. You don't know you've been hit until it's practically too late to do anything about it. Next thing you know, you've got a pitchfork up yer ass.

Stephen Sobotka: <> Congrats for getting over the computer woes! Heh... it's hard not to get caught up in your excitement. :) <<it's nothing more than a 1988 Chrystler Sundance: 2 door sedan, but dang comfy even for my largeness>> Hey, comfort is always a valued part. Congrats on the new car. <<Now, to just christen it>> Bring champagne. <<Any suggestions for names from the room>> I'd have to ride in it once or at least see a picture of it. The Ghetto Sled (my old car) wasn't named for its looks. It was named for its personality. ;) <<Fantastic news>> Dude, you are walking on sunshine this week!

Niamhgold: <> I hate having to get up earlier than noon for any reason. *grins* I've the working hours of a programmer at least. <<Hoping to go to the Gathering this year, A LOT>> I hope you can get down there. <> You could always fly in Philly the day I head down, and I'd give you a ride myself. It might be cheaper. Of course, you'd have to be willing to put up with me for six and a half straight hours. <<Only if I do a nude self portrait...which I haven't, yet ;)>> Key word being "yet?" <<Yeah, I'm taking a break, from work>> How is work going for you these days? <<Everyone should see it ;)>> No TV makes it hard. <<Chocolate cake/canollis, anyone? ;)>> Oooh... I'll take a canolli. can't go wrong with Italian food. <<Yeah, I could. But I'd rather avoid it ;) >> Now you're just being difficult. :) <<Check out my studio.>> LOL! Actually I live with a band called Organized Chaos, so that exists at least. <<Maybe the longer I stay a virgin, the longer I shall live!>> *grins* Well, I'll certainly help you test that theory out to see if it's true for guys also. <> No no no... you said "yet" before. Don't start backtracking. ;)

Archwolf: <<but now I think I'm mostly back to stay>> Coolness! <> Do you work in the computer labs on campus by any chance? <<Many Thanks are due to Emambu and Lynati for their proofing, commentary, and telling me when i took people way the heck out of character>> You're welcome. Thanks for giving me the chance to read it early on. <<*Figures there is no point is stepping aside to avoid the rush, since there likely won't be one*>> Boy do I understand that feeling *grins* <<it said 45 people have read my fic....but I could use feedback, if anyone has the time>> It's a long read. Give it a bit more time. But you are right... this fandom is severely lacking in the direct feedback department. It's something I've noticed since I found this fandom. I'd recommend that the "star" system be eliminated in favor of a comment section (every story getting a bit of space so people can post comments) but I don't know how much extra space that would take up, nor do I know if Guandalug even has time to do that. That's why I like Fleur's idea so much. <> Good to hear. And congrats on all accounts. <<oh wait...is that something to brag about?>> I brag about it all the time. :) Of course, the same people who kick my ass in FPS games are the same people whose asses _I_ kick in RTS games. It all balances.

Shinigami: Belated congratulations on your most recent appointment. I trust you will bring sanity and compassion back to the forum...

DPH: <<starting next week, I will have the chiropractor only once a week. Apparantly, my back is getting better.>> That's good to hear. Hopefully, you'll reach a point where you no longer need a chiropractor. <> I can think of worse things. At least this shows there is a general interest in reading the new stories. True, there are better ways of doing it but at least people want this site to continue. <<Will you be nicer to your kids when they drive you places?>> I figure that when I'm older, I'll have earned the right to complain about everything. ;) <<Damn, I can't use nuclear weapons because the place is too damn close.>> Use a low-grade Cruise missile then. I mean, you're talking about a diner. Heck, just lob a grenade through the front door. <<Some of it is the fact I hate really short programs>> Why? You can crank out short programs in a day. I wish some of the java labs I'm working on were small bits of code (10-15 lines tops).

Jan: <> Glad to hear you're still in good shape and that your chest pains aren't as serious as thought. Stay healthy. <<or maybe I should have asked how he rated his marriage ;)>> You do that and you may find Ritalin mixed in with your medication. ;) <<5:30am comes way too early each morning>> Especially if 5:30 is when you go to sleep *grins* <<Well, after last night, I'm officially a member of the Order of the Eastern Star.>> *nods and flashes his mason ring* Hail fellow member! <<Heh, I'm a member of a "secret society" *giggles*>> Cool, huh? <<It's amazing how the stress level diminished just when he said "no blockage".>> Yeah, that's why I use bran muffins to decrease my stress levels concerning, ahem, "blockage." <<Additional perks will be that I get to wear a formal on special occasions and I get a nifty looking star on my tombstone now>> Plus your part of the organization that control the world, that's a perk too. :) <<whoa, those things are fat!!>> You should see the family that lives underneath our compost heap at my home. <<police stories>> *grins* Well, you can't say that your life has become stale and boring.

Siofra: <<I'm doing great but I've been so damn busy lately that I haven't had time to catch up on much>> Heh... I understand completely. <<The stupid tower landed on both of my wrists>> Yeesh, glad to hear that nothing was broken at least. <<Anyway, I get an extension on my metals project for me being clumsy>> See, there always an upside. ;) <<I'll have to get pics to show anyone that is interested...>> E-mail address is at the bottom of the post if you want to send them. <<What is it with all the couple's posts? Geez...>> I know... you'd think we all liked each other in here or something. :) <<They said self portraits would be acceptable ;-)>> How.. uhhh... flattering. *grins* What did your bf have to say about that? <<not taking crap from immature little punks ;-)>> Hey... who are you calling little?

JackaL: You're back! And just in time for the holidays too. :)

CrzyDemona: <<(can you imagine having me as a class mom?? Scary huh?)>> With _you_ as a class mom? I think I'd feel more sorry for the school, not the kids. ;)

Kyryn: <<My 1995 Saturn SL1 currently has 274,000 miles on it. :)>> *whistles* Most I've ever seen is 117,000 on my newest car (and about 116,000 aren't even mine :)). And it's only a '95 car? Where the heck have you been driving it? <<Kyryn vanishes into the shadows. Thumps, banging, and a few loud curses are heard, followed by a door slamming.>> Vision not as good as it used to be, eh? <<we just had a con here in Dallas (Uncommoncon) go belly-up two weeks before the show because of issues with the hotel contracts.>> Hmmm... I hope that doesn't happen with the Gathering. <<Then, to top it off, I've been doing guest relations for an anime convention for several years>> So... what exactly _can't_ you do? :)

SJ: <<Michelle Branch>> I dunno if she's good enough to make an episode the best in the season with just a cameo. Of course, if you haven't liked the season up until now... <<Some FRIGHTENING news>> I'd care more if I had a TV. However, that still sucks. This man must be stopped. Use any force necessary. <<Pardon me, but Disney will f!ck it up>> Ironic how in their attempt to appeal to all categories, Disney will only succeed in alienating more people from them by screwing around with a classic. <<It's my birthday>> Happy birthday!! <<so I gots to leave to committ unspeakable atrocities>> Must... not... comment. <> Going out for dinner, huh? Cherry pie for dessert then I take it? ;)

Mandolin: <<Okay, I'm back... and I'm going to try to semi-catch up>> Good to have you back for however long that may be. <<Lee, you just asked the one question guaranteed to drive the TGS staffers who frequent this board absolutely nuts.>> What if that's his goal? These newbies can be crafty. <<(Yes, I'm biased against CBS in particular. It's a long story.)>> Oh no... you can't get off that easily. *sits with Fire Storm and Jan* Let's hear it. :)

Aingeal: <<Hi.. i think i'm still alive.. i'm not quite sure>> Don't worry, apparently I still have to prove my existence as well. Enjoy the holidays and I hope the workload lightens soon.

Revel: <<Finished my series paintings yesterday, I thought it went well>> Congratulations! <<If you are the Dark Messiah then I'm the King of Mars>> Ooh, ooh... and I'm the... ummm... I'm the Lizard King! <<At 200 I'm throwinga bar-b-que and everyone is invited>> Sweet! Party at Revel's! We'll need some medals so we can pin it to the War Wagon. :) <<If cable TV must die let it die with dignity, right?>> If CN dies the way SJ predicts, there will be nothing dignified about it.

Slivadel: <<The only world I know of where if you think greedy thoughts while sleeping on a bed of treasure, you turn into a dragon.>> Really? Sounds like fun. I need to get me some treasure.

Lady Mystic: <<Thank you for your understanding and patience.>> Shouldn't we be the ones thanking you for your hard work, diligence, and selflessness?

NukesGoBoom: <> The TGS staff takes several months between series. And when stories do come out, it's once a week. There's no real excuse not to get caught up if you really want to. Even with all the work I do, I can stay on top of the reading.

Carolynn Marie: Woah... Madison, NJ? You aren't, by any chance, a Drew female are you? <<Most Annoying Cartoon Character That You Love to Hate>> You know, we should hold our own MACCTYLH award ceremony. Heh... it'd still be better than the Grammys. Worst special ever. <<Some people are just nuts>> Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Just look at the Religious Right. <<and I don't want to hurt B's feelings so I'm keeping it all to myself>> *nods* I hate getting put in situations like that myself. I hope everything works out for you.

Female Brooklyn: <<an old friend of mine seems to be back in the CR after going missing for what, EIGHT years?>> I don't think gargoyles has been around eight years let alone the CR. <<The most i've seen in that room is 6 people in the last 5 years>> I'm never in the chatroom because I don't know anyone there when I see people conversing. The last time I spent any significant time there was when the CR threw a party for Shadowrider. I imagine it might be that way for others as well.

Robby: <<I'm up late tonight, (or early depending on your definition...)>> If it gets past midnight then wouldn't it be early considering the fact that it's a new day? <<So basically, it sounds like the Matrix anime is gonna take the approach of the original Heavy Metal movie, or Fantasia>> Though I like Fantasia, I just can't see that meshing well with the idea of The Matrix. And as for Heavy Metal *shudders* forget about it. <<You know I'm rooting for Dreamworks to get the rights over Disney... They'd actually do it right...)>> Me too, not so much because I believe they'd do it right but because I don't think they could do it any _worse_. <<Personally, I just find this wrong on many, many levels...>> ...because it combines technology and necromancy? I don't know why they just can't let the man rest in peace.

Rayvn: <<So I was just a tad busy today. ;)>> *balks* I'll say, why was no one else there to help you? What kind of ship are you guys trying to sail? <<OBI WAN KENOBI>> Is it really Obi-Wan, or is it the Scotsman that lies behind the character? I hear he's quite a singer too. ;)

All right, that's enough of me for one night. Sabledrake reviews in the next post which I hope to be over Thanksgiving break. Sleep well everyone,

---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hortmail.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:54:06 PM
IP: 130.49.76.110

Sixth!
Jan
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:53:23 PM
IP: 12.110.237.46

5th or six, i should think
Archwolf
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:50:03 PM
IP: 137.148.203.213

Fourth! Thanks for the head up Lynati!
Siofra
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:47:58 PM
IP: 141.213.216.244

Thirds.
Lynati
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:47:13 PM
IP: 205.184.191.243

WHOA! I'M SECOND!!!!!!!!!
SOROW
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:46:14 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Hi everybody. Things have been winding down here and I can't wait til Thanksgiving next week. I just spent five hours doing math homework and I'm exhausted. It's rainy and nasty down here in Austin, so I've been really lazy lately. But that's great, because I'm never lazy!
SOROW
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:45:53 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

First!
Josh
Saturday, November 17, 2001 08:45:15 PM
IP: 64.173.20.63