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Well, I'm done with my LSATs. Just one more step in my ultimate quest to reach my maximum evil potential.

Nah, not really. Seeing as, if I actually do get into law school, I'd like to go into criminal prosecution. But how screwed would the defendant be to have ME as the assistant d.a.?

However, since all of you.....well, most of you.....well, some of you....anyway, since you-all are my friends, I'll cut you guys a break and give you a free ride on the drug charge of your choice! Jack, I promise to take care of you, buddy!

Anyway, the test itself wasn't too bad. A friend of mine told me she had heard that they were "fun", but I wouldn't go that far. Anything that forces you to be locked up in a room with 300 other schmoes for 5 hours, taking brain-wracking tests, heads down over the answer sheet so far that the vertebrae permanently compresses into your spine....well, it ain't fun. But it wasn't too bad. I thought the questions were actually a little easier than the ones found in the answer booklet. HOPEFULLY I got a good score. I'm sure I got at least a decent one.

But I'm glad that's over. I'm such a masochist....one major educational program just completed, and I'm heading into the next.

Josh: That particular Pulp Fiction dialogue exchange was one of my favorites. I swear, I often quote it whenever someone asks me the proper question.

Butch: You okay?
Marsellus: No. I'm pretty f!ckin' far from being okay.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 1, 2001 07:16:10 PM
IP: 66.44.92.17

*trudges in yawning* these short nights are real killers O.o

Work related:
I was called in for a dress-out again... a real snippy, snotty young'in. *rolls eyes* Hello? you're in JAIL! loose the 'tude.
Anyway, while dressing her out, the conversation went like this:
twit: "I have to share a cell with 2 other girls with only ONE toilet and ONE shower??!"
Jan: "yep"
twit: *snotty tone* "do I at least get some deoderant, shampoo, and a razor to shave with?"
Jan: "nope"
twit: "well, in California, we did and we had private cells"
Jan: "welcome to Missouri! We don't give a shit if we hurt your feelings, fracture your self-esteem, or violate your comfort zone."
-Has her remove jewelry-
twit: *still snippy/snotty* Will all of this be inventoried?"
Jan: "hell no! that makes it harder for us to explain ourselves after we've pawned all of the fake and cheap shit that you are attempting to pass off as real jewelry."
-gives her the mattress and one blanket for her bedding-
twit: "I have to sleep on THIS??!?"
Jan: "you didn't check into the Hilton, darlin'.
twit: *finally shuts up*
Note ~ Jan does not like being awakened in the middle of the night and called down to the jail on really cold nights and then deal with young twits with an attitude.~
I have always tried to be polite and somewhat compassionate when checking women into the jail, but don't even attempt any type of attitude with me *shakes head*

Now, this twit was brought in with her boyfriend - who refused to identify himself. stupid ass - by 9am the following morning, we knew exactly who he was... a fugitive from California that had raped a lady and carved swatzika (sp?) into her breasts. He's from LA county...and a white supremist. Plus his body is like one massive tatoo. He has Nazi symbols, "white power" "N___'s must die!" as part of his tatoos. Most are jailhouse tatoos.
He's isolated in our jail b/c he's combative and considered to be extremely dangerous.
They were all caught because a disturbance was called in & when the deputies went out there, they discovered several pot plants growing in the back room... these people had been warned that the police were on their way (they had been fighting with a neighbor & the neighbor told them that they called the police) So... this twit and another gal removed a panel from the wall, this guy crawled in and they nailed it back up & pushed the couch in front of it. The police removed the females from the house and was searching the house and this guy kept trying to peek out thru a small crack and eventually fell out. *L* What's that show about America's Dumbest Criminals?
The guy gave his name as Homer Benson. That didn't show up on his long list of alias - so I had to point it out to the dectectives... Homer Benson...Homer Simpson.. *L*
His rap sheet was very long - I think he's been in trouble since he was old enough to fart.
Her rap sheet showed about 7 drug convictions and one conviction of attempting to sell her baby. Lovely gal.
He signed a waiver and will be returning to CA as soon as we can ship him. *points and laughs at Josh* *coughs* sorry. ;p

I was in a Christmas parade this afternoon. I rode in the DARE jeep with my "sister", Dana. I threw out candy to the kids.. geesh, nothing like giving some little kid a concussion with Christmas candy O_O
Tonight I will be in another parade for here in town. This time I'll be on a float with the area law enforcement and rescue workers... should be fun :) I'll be wearing my reindeer ears headband. *giggles*

Spacebabie> <<Unless it was Sorrow. Then youd be in her lap and slobbering like a puppy.>> *high fives* You've got that right! *L*

Siryn> Thanks for the shuttle info! =) That will be coming in handy when I begin making the transportation arrangements for us!
The website is lookin' good! =)

Fleur> Ohmy!! *very gentle hug* I hope that you heal soon! How did this happen?

Daniel J.> Welcome back! I've been wondering where you had gone! I've missed your posting *nodnodnod*

GregB> congrats on your new job! It sounds like a fun place to work :)

Ravyn> hehe, I like _some_ country music, but mainly from the older age group like Hank Jr. I went to his concert last year and it was fabulous! wow!
You're going to go see Coyote?? =) Give him a hug for me, ok? *envious* I wish I was going to Belgium *sais*

well, it's time to prepare for the parade festivities.

*scampers out humming Christmas songs*

Jan - [janmiller@mo-net.com]
Saturday, December 1, 2001 04:59:39 PM
IP: 12.110.237.17

Enters Solem
A moment of silence for George Harrison
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There are boxes all over my house, cause were decorating for the holidays. We already have the Advent calender up. Its cute. Its made of cloth and each day has a pocket. Nex to the calender is Santa and a sack full of soft stuffed toys. On each new day we take out out one of the toys and place it in the pocket.

Speaking of decorating I attached a red bow to Spooky's collar. Its red too, and her liscense is green.

We also have a big bowl filled with red and green M&M's, we are festive :)

replies.

Robby>>>Tackle Hug! Sorry its been a while.

Gray<<<This is just a test. >>> of what the National internet posting company? If this was a real emergency would you provide instructions following that annoying sound via a WAV?

DPH<<<thanks. DC normally does not bother me. >>> and after that I think he’ll think twice before trying again.

Josh<<<Uh oh...she's hunting...I wish to remain single, thank you.>>> Unless it was Sorrow. Then youd be in her lap and slobbering like a puppy.<<<love that feeling at the end of my fridays when I've handed in all my assignments, and I think "that's it, I have a few days to do absolutely nothing">>>I get that feeling on Thursdays myself..<<>>I have to read about 14 more poems, and do a buttload of studying for my one final and then I’m done.

Aaron<<<Maybe you should just wear them all the time.>>>In this heat? No way.<<<Full color, or just mono?>>> Mono. All black.<<<But aren't you the Queen of Pain? When are you getting one? ;)>>> I get pain accidentally not intentionally and if I were to do something like that it would be to pierce my naval…Nice and quick.<<<Beware those two, for they have strange powers.>>>Yeah. One of them managed bewitching you into being their love slave.

Fleur>>> Happy belated Birthday and I wish you a speedy recovery.

Patrick>>>You were watching Leno last night weren’t you?
Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, December 1, 2001 11:23:52 AM
IP: 67.25.48.143

*Pops in* Hiya, still alive, just very busy with school and work. I got a chance to talk to my advisor, and, as a result, I'm a CIS major AND a philo major. how's that for a combination of majors?

Fleur> Thank you for the feedback on the fic. I was, to an extent, trying to actually foster a disoriented feeling for the reader. It rather goes with the WOD.

*Runs over and hugs Hailer* yay! you posting now!

Well, I have a paper on Beat Poetry to write now. G'bye

*poof*
Archwolf - [thearchwolf@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 1, 2001 10:46:13 AM
IP: 137.148.203.213

Shopping yesterday, baking today, decorating tomorrow, so far so good ... LOL, I finally nag a wish list out of Tim and everything on it's expensive ... can't win.

Aaron > oh, no. Oh, no, no, no. No more children chez Morgan. One is plenty! Even my mother's stopped asking, now that my brother's got four kids! So your holidays are like Lion in Winter? That's Tim's favorite Christmas movie ... I've never spent much time with his extended family so I'm not sure if it's nostalgia as well as just his medieval obsession ; )

Greg > I'd guessed they wouldn't actually go so far as to send her on the quest, but even so ... I liked Glorfindel! LOL, all this LOTR stuff brings back memories of my very first Mary Sue fic, written when I was thirteen or so ... had a bit of a crush on Legolas ; )

Warpmind > well, FYI, this story, regardless of what unfortunate naughty connotations the term has in some circles, was written for Becca. Nothing for anyone to be a'skeered of unless they buy into the whole HP=devil-worship rubbish. As for my GURPS project, no can do; once it's been through final edits, we're submitting it to Steve Jackson. If he turns it down, we're asking for permission to publish it ourselves as a "powered by GURPS" product. If _that_ fails too, well, then I'll run it in Sabledrake and it'll be up for grabsies.

Patrick > offering up your editorial expertise? ; )

Josh > hey, Seattle protests all sorts of wonky stuff ... all I know or care about WTO was that my workplace was inside the curfew zone and the scent of tear gas mingled with the delicate aroma of stale cigarettes on the smoking porch.

AvMists update > it's coming along; a couple of people sent in massive stories that require extensive formatting, so that's taking up considerable time. Hope to have it posted tomorrow.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, December 1, 2001 10:15:10 AM
IP: 64.24.187.22

*waves*

Hey Gargs and goyles! I'm back!!

ONLINE REGISTRATION IS NOW UP! *points to link*

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/reg.html!

Jan> I finally got an answer to your question. There IS shuttle service from the Newport News/Williamsburg Airport to the hotel. (There isn't any from the Richmond or Norfolk Aiports though)

Patrick> Still waiting back on your question.<:)

And more of the site will be up and updated within the following days. ^_^ Thankyou sooo much for your patience guys! I hope everyone had a happy thanksgiving!

Oh, and if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me them here again, or at my email at siryn7@aol.com or at the gathering email *points to link*

:)
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Saturday, December 1, 2001 03:37:48 AM
IP: 24.93.24.2

I love that feeling at the end of my fridays when I've handed in all my assignments, and I think "that's it, I have a few days to do absolutely nothing".

I only have 4 more assignments due this semester...and that makes me happy.

The civil engineers will appreciate this dialoge with my mechanics of materials TA today:

Me: (looks at practice final) "This doesn't look like much fun."
My TA: (deadpan) "Oh, its a load"
Me: "No pun intended"
My TA: "Huh? Oh!"
(laughter ensues)

Okay, so that wasn't really that funny...but it made materials a bit more tolerable that day.

So this weekend should consist of not much work, followed by sleeping, reading my new Star Wars book, eating, and maybe cleaning the apartment.

replies!

Fleur: Get better soon! <<looks like a lamington that's been sat on>>: What the !@#$ is a lamington? Is that one of your silly aussie animals? <<pethodine and morphine patches are the greatest thing on earth>>: Not better than either sex or vicodin or chocolate.

The Wizard: <<Think ice cream and body builders>>: How will that help?

Christine: <<not planning to sign up as a playtester, then>>: I guess that would depend on the other playtesters. It might be fun to see how accurate it is, though! <<in memory of the WTO riots>>: They have to remember 140 hippy jerk-offs getting arrested!?

Alan: <<As for how Ving Rhames recovers from something like that>>: No, I was talking about the guy who raped him. How does HIS career recover? Wherever he goes, people will say "hey, you're the guy that f*cked Ving Rames in the ass". <<He's still one of my favoirte actors>>: Yeah, me too. He rocks.

Aaron: <<I'd like to apologize for being a jerk lately>>: You? <<I've never LARP'd in my life>>: Yeah, those people are freaks. <<It's always the quite ones>>: To quote Carlin..."while you're watching the quiet one...the loud one will !@#$ing kill you!" <<what do you think Demona weighs?>>: Demona has a valid excuse: wings. And muscle mass. But look at that figure!! <<my ideal woman isn't some 98 pound twig who looks like she'd break in half if you breathed on her hard>>: Ah, I like skinny chicks. But not skeletons. <<World domination?>>: That would neither prove nor justify my existence. <<Until it proves inconvenient, right? We are, after all, evil>>: Or until you piss me off, whichever comes first. <<don't you need a seventh for the tail?>>: I dunno, it might be more fun if it weren't suspended. <<gods that was bad>>: You haven't SEEN it. <<Noticed that, have you?>>: Indeed. <<The "Don't do that in front of my kids" one?>>: I can't tell if that's a reference to the prayer or the demona tatoo. <<They make for great stories, as long as they stay *near*>>: Its hard to tell them if they get any farther than that. << thought it *was* finished. It was just constructed to *look* unfinished to catch the Rebels off guard>>: No, it wasn't finished. They just accelerated the production on the big freakin' cannon (TM) so IT was ready when the Rebels arrived. <<Decided to be an UNcivil engineer instead?>>: A lawyer? That's an engineer of uncivility ;-) <<Which means those 500 slave girls are going to waste the other 364 days a year>>: If he were smart, he'd rent them out. <<It's all about checking off the list... I still need a vampire>>: I use the Purity Test, myself. <<The idea that you are the good twin is scary>>: BUWAHAHA. I wonder if my evil twin would be willing to team up with me. <<I'd call it Planet Bob, personally>>: Good name. But in whatever alien language you developed, it would still be "earth". <<Christine *is* the one writing it>>: Maybe it can be both! <<Pest: (Gives Josh a sympathy hug)>>: How about this, Pest? I replaced it in just over 2 hours! <<I've heard that there are people who take it so seriously, there have been actual incidents of violence over the outcomes of games>>: Freaks. <<Did you watch that George Carlin special too?>>: Of course! Wouldn't miss it for the world. <<there is technically a one post per day limit>>: Finally! <<that would make Josh Pissy too, and I don't think that's the case>>: I am NOT a 30 year old balding pizza delivery boy. Yet. <<That was how we knew "Kit" wasn't real, remember?>>: Please tell me you had something more concrete than "she doesn't like gay porn". I know lots of women who don't like gay porn. <<the population hasn't been replaced entirely with trolls>>: I dunno, I feel kind of troll-ish ;-) <<How come we never do anything like that?!? Oh, it's cause we're all broke. Right>>: Cuz we already spend all our money on whores. Oh, maybe that's just me. Besides, I don't think SJ would accept. <>: There wasn't one cute chick in the movie. So I'd rather NOT see "Harry Potter and the Naughty Hentai Tenatcles" <<Too Much Jaw?>>: Is that a euphamism? <>: I'm not big on steaks, but even I can see the value in a steak chamber ;-) <<CTHD easy. Or maybe Holy Grail>>: Grail. <<A lawyer?>>: I'm a piece of sod. <<Maybe you should just wear them all the time>>: If she does, I'm getting pictures! <<Beware those two, for they have strange powers.>>: Well, Mara anyway. <<They shall be branded... With the mark of Demona>>: A small one, right? Not everyone will be able to live down an 8" blue gargess across their chest. <<As if my holiday season wasn't already a cross between "A Lion In Winter" and "The Ref" anyway>>: LOL! "The Ref" Rocked! <<So THAT's where all that bad fanfic comes from>>: Hey, if not for the monkeys, Mara wouldn't have anything to MiST! <<Pest: Hey! No horning in on my turf!>>: Quiet, Pest. Otherwise no harem for you when I take over. <<you really do look like Janet Reno in drag>>: That sentence did not need the last two words... <<Are we organized enough here for us to get together and decide on *anything*?>>: No. <<All highway planning in the Dallas area is done by crackheads. Of this, I am convinced>>: You should see the Bay Area. <<only outlaws will have clones>>: Fine by me! <<For all the engineers>>: Great comic! I'm reading it all right now!

Baldy: <<Fifty minutes later, DC is still heard falling>>: Bottomless pit? Where can I get one of those?

Ravyn: <<I'm a country chick all the way>>: GAH! NO! <>: Some of them clearly have better taste than you 8-) <>: Believe me, it is. <>: ME? Probably not. I guess it depends on your specialization. <<Statics is starting to get bad here at the end, with friction and screws>>: You get to screw? Lucky... <<I'm gonna have to get you for that one>>: Doubtful. <<Engineers love catapults>>: Not that we don't build better stuff.

Daphne: <<this lurking thing is harder than I thought>>: Not to mention terribly boring. <<it would be weird if suddenly you were him>>: You'd have to dump him/me ;-) <<any suggestions on how to "do" happy? (remember, I'm pretty clean-living. sorry, josh et al>>: I have several...none are appropriate for this CR. Or you, apparently.

Greg X: <<30% off on all books>>: Hmm...I wonder what shipping from you to me will cost...trying to figure out how to take advantage of that. <<naked Demona on the Gathering 2003 Con Badge>>: I want a framed copy of the original art...life size. <>: Beat me to it!

Daniel Johnson: <<thanks to Mac OS X, my own mail server and local caching name server. Wait 'til I get Apache running; then I'll really be dangerous. The power of the Internet is truly astounding>>: I told my brother that now that he's running OS X, if he doesn't behave I'd break his machine from here...just because ;-)

Fire Storm: <<THEN use distributed processing>>: How about THIS exchange.

Alien: (lands, exits vehicle): Hello, we come in peace. Take us to your leader.
SETI Geek: Whoa! Holy f*ck! Aliens!
Alien: We bring new technologies, cures for all diseases. and wonderful new food.
SETI Geek: Do you have superior computing technology?
Alien: Of course.
SETI Geek: Cool! Much faster than existing personal computers?
Alien: I believe so.
SETI Geek: Hey, can we borrow it to run SETI?

Fire Storm: <<Monday if there is>>: LOL! <<a USB one is a bit more difficult>>: So? If you had skillz, you could do it anyway ;-) <<You must conquer buffy before you can conquer the world>>: Ah, very well. I think I can accept that responsibility. <<The Mac shall die with you>>: That's fine. As long as I don't have to use Windows. <<but that should be NO excuse>>: Ah, a republican in the making. <<We just don't know the EXACT location of Wilek>>: You're assuming that Wilek would know what to DO with one. You should just send them all to me. Aaron knows where I live. <<Just don't spend your paycheck there>>: That was the nice thing about working for Game Keeper...who on EARTH would want to spend their paycheck on pokemon cards? <<Oakland>>: Right next to Berkeley, I might add. <<Yeah. Get Win2K>>: My idea was better. <<If that dosn't work, re-install the operating system>>: Dude!? You should NEVER have to reinstall your OS just to get some driver working! What kind of a silly system do you use?

Gside: <<we're set for a pretty good approximation of immortality>>: I am SO there. <<Especially if someone threw a lit match into the area afterwards>>: Go BOOM.

I think I'll go read for a few before bed. Good nite all.

Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. - Rich Cook
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, December 1, 2001 03:25:35 AM
IP: 64.161.24.40

Imzadi> <<What does that have to do with cloning?>>: After we figure that out, all we need is mind transfers and we're set for a pretty good approximation of immortality.
<<OUCH>>: Abmormally large cigars.
<>: Well, you were right.
<<Personally, I like the idea of water spontaneously un-bonding>>: That'd be fun too. Especially if someone threw a lit match into the area afterwards.
<<There's enough for a LUG>>: Apparently. They recently held a lan party in the main lounge.

Fleur> Heal well. And how did that happen?

Ordel> <>: You're running out of time.

Aaron> <>: No, just fully operational. There was still a lot of armoring to be done. I mean an entire wing of finghters flew inside it, as opposed to the two torpedos they managed in the first.
<>: Repeatedly.
<<Yes, Arlo>>: 18 minutes, and it's actually an entertaining listen.
<<That just sounds wrong>>: There's also the instruction jal. It stands for Jump And Link.
<<Imzadi> <<What does that have to do with cloning?>>: After we figure that out, all we need is mind transfers and we're set for a pretty good approximation of immortality.
<<OUCH>>: Abmormally large cigars.
<>: Well, you were right.
<<Personally, I like the idea of water spontaneously un-bonding>>: That'd be fun too. Especially if someone threw a lit match into the area afterwards.
<<There's enough for a LUG>>: Apparently. They recently held a lan party in the main lounge.

Fleur> Heal well. And how did that happen?

Ordel> <>: You're running out of time.

Aaron> <>: No, just fully operational. There was still a lot of armoring to be done. I mean an entire wing of finghters flew inside it, as opposed to the two torpedos they managed in the first.
<>: Repeatedly.
<<Yes, Arlo>>: 18 minutes, and it's actually an entertaining listen.
<<That just sounds wrong>>: There's also the instruction jal. It stands for Jump And Link.
<<Evangelimoon, gotta love it>>: Quite.
<<Shame Misato doesn't put in an appearance tho'>>: True, but at least neither did Kaoru.
<>: And a record three jokes off one typo, all saying the same thing.
<<Or maybe Holy Grail>>: The Black Knight always triumphs.

Warpmind> <<Hen... *Blink* *Glance around* Um, nevermind>>: Why? You know us. We're all for it.

Daphne> <<any suggestions on how to "do" happy?>>: Just don't let the world get you down.

Daniel Johnson> Woot. Oh, and apparently Lain has been trying to call you.
<>: My father has taught you well.

Fire Storm> <<What, no guitar riff?>>: Sorry. Bow chicka bow.

Patrick> <>: Sure Wilek hasn't done that?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, December 1, 2001 02:13:09 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

DPH: <Occasionally, for some unknown reason, a DLL file causes an error and I lose all sound on this PC. Yep, W:ME. Any thoughts?>
Yeah. Get Win2K ;)
Seriously, though, re-install the drivers. If that dosn't work, re-install the operating system.

Fire Storm
Saturday, December 1, 2001 12:09:10 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Ravyn > "A moment of silence for George Harrison, who passed away today ... the Beatle, not the TGS character." - Thanks for clearing that up. I know my first thought when I heard the report on the radio this morning was "oh no, Christi Smith Hayden's character died of cancer?!?" :P

Aaron > Dang... I think that's the first time I've ever seen anyone catch up on a month's worth of replies all in one post. ;)

Greg Bishansky > Congrats on the new job.

Christine > I don't know about playtesting, but I wouldn't mind being a beta reader. ;)

And finally... riddle me this...

Q: What do you call a clone of a Backstreet Boy?
A: N'Sync!

:: exits on the rimshot ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, November 30, 2001 11:44:17 PM
IP: 66.72.206.247

Fleur> I am so sorry to hear about your condition. I hope your pain eases and you're in our thoughts. Happy Belated Birthday :)
SOROW
Friday, November 30, 2001 11:05:38 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Hey, those of you that follow the music world, can you confirm or disprove this:
Elton John has AIDS. I read it on Sexy Losers BBS and I know to take what I hear there with a ton of salt.

Lynati: 
You missed EVERYTHING! :)

Shadowrider: <Quite right...actually, there are much more than the needed. Anyway, there are numerical methods to decrease the workload, and it IS more practical than using all the computers of the campus at the same time for just a wing...>
Forget practical! It would be cool and a good use of the idling computers!
Use the numerical methods to decrease the workload THEN use distributed processing!

Ravyn: <Yeppers!!! My flight lands in Detroit at about 1:00 in the afternoon your time, and Coyote's picking me up ... I'm not sure what time we'll be around, so you might want to talk to him about it ... I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to Michigan.>
Lets see... 1pm on a Saturday... an hour if there is no snow, Monday if there is! ;)
<which we affectionally call "The Book">
What, no guitar riff?
<A moment of silence for George Harrison, who passed away today>
I am surprised the news took that long to get here. I heard at Noon and the news was released around 8am.

Gside: <And you haven't even cracked her personal privacy algorithms yet?>
No, not yet. I have been trying to upload a TC into her.
<I'll do my best>
SW33T!

Imzadi: <Parallel? What's that? USB all the way!>
The only problem with USB is that it is expensive for me to make my own USB device. I can make a Parallel or Serial device easily, but a USB one is a bit more difficult.
I may be wrong, and if I am, find me where I can get a cheap USB interface.
And find me the voltages so I can put an optical isolator in the circuit.
<Do I go to jail? If not, Freddy Prinze is as good as dead>
You must conquer Buffy before you can conquer the world!

And so you shall be. Before, now and always, you shall be the ONLY Mac user. You will no converts and no one even experimenting. The Mac shall die with you.
<I'm sure Demona could figure out how to operate the cloning machines (if any existed) or cast spells that would allow them to get pregnant...but why would she want to?>
Penance? Elisa would want to.
<Yes, but you still can't "rush" with BC's. Building ONE BC and getting all the resources to build the all the buildings and get all the improvements that it requires takes so long into the game that it can't be considered a "rush">
That's why it is only effective on Bridge levels. And especially good on levels where you cheat! ;)

Aaron: <Because he's NUTS, and therefore not responsible for his actions>
I am sorry, but that should be NO excuse! If he cannot be rehabilitated, cured or whatnot, why should a homicidal maniac like him, who has proven that he can escape, be allowed to live, escape and kill again?
I am just thankful that Robin killed him.
<Death: (Makes note) And another one goes on the list...>
Reaper, watch them. Carefully.
<How come we never do anything like that?!? Oh, it's cause we're all broke. Right>
Well, we know where Coa lives. We just don't know the EXACT location of Wilek (Within 20 miles, yes, but that's a lot of ground to cover.)

Greg Bishansky: <Today I had my interview at Barnes & Noble, and I was hired>
Congrats! Sounds like a decent place to work! Just don't spend your paycheck there... I have made that mistake MANY times!

Daniel Johnson: <Rather than observing a moment of silence for the Quiet Beatle>
The local Classic Rock station, WCSX, is playing nothing but Beatles music all weekend long, even the weirder stuff they never play, AND interviews, and other goodies.

I shall end this with two bits of trivia:
111,111,111 x 111,111,111 =12,345,678,987,654,321

Police in Oakland, California spent two hours attempting to subdue a gunman who had barricaded himself inside his home. After firing ten tear gas canisters, officers discovered that the man was standing beside them, shouting pleas to come out and give himself up
Fire Storm
Friday, November 30, 2001 10:42:49 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

How slow is yahoo's help response? I finally got an email from them two days ago sent to my yahoo account. Bad point: part of the complaint was I couldn't access my yahoo account. Whoops. There is a point to all of this: always have a backup plan ready.

GXB - Congrats on your new job.

Terkky - how many times do I have to misspell your name to get your attention?

Warpmind & others - I'm glad no person is examining the book of "Daniel" in the bible. I'm sure it would drive y'all sane trying to explain away the prophecies.

**REBOOT SPOILERS**
Well, well, well. The unexpected happenned regarding Megabyte. Nice Blues Brothers reference. It has been nice to have references to past events. Although two things are bothering me: why didn't Hack & Slash go back to serving Megabyte?
**END REBOOT SPOILERS**

Why is Cartoon Network airing JL three times a week?

**ZOIDS**
Was that the last episode I saw on Thursday or is that the end of the season?

I know understand why the Battle Fury was locked in a box and buried: it is too damn aggressive. I don't see why they don't attempt to upgrade the lieger (spelling?) to handle the panzer armor better.
**END ZOIDS**

Fleur - I understand back pain. I just hope you can find a comfortable position to rest.

Ravyn - very funny.

Daniel J - good to see you again.

I'm over yonder.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, November 30, 2001 09:59:01 PM
IP: 204.94.193.63

Evening, folks. Time for my monthly post. :P

Thank you everyone for your condolences on the death of my mother. Sorry I haven't gotten back here to say so until now, but this pesky Real Life keeps interfering.

Rather than observing a moment of silence for the Quiet Beatle, I've got iTunes playing Rubber Soul in the background. Ah, here's "Norwegian Wood".

I have to say that I have never anticipated ANY movie like I am with LotR. This is going to ROCK. I have the books virtually memorized since I've read them more times than I can count. All of the books. I'm one of the weirdos who actually enjoys reading "The Silmarillion." I even read the entire "History of Middle-Earth" series that Christopher Tolkien wrote. Be afraid.

Ooh, notice the email address? Yes, I have my own domain now. Be very afraid. And, thanks to Mac OS X, my own mail server and local caching name server. Wait 'til I get Apache running; then I'll really be dangerous. The power of the Internet is truly astounding.

Enough for now. On those infrequent occasions when I post, I always seem to do so at the end of the week, which makes it rather difficult to catch up. Later.
Daniel Johnson - [daniel@daniel-johnson.org]
Ocean Grove, NJ, United States
Friday, November 30, 2001 09:31:08 PM
IP: 138.89.122.16

Congratulations on your new job, Bishansky!

Thanks for your comments on my LotR analysis. One other interesting piece on Elf-immortality, according to Tolkien's notes (many of which were posthumously published by his son Christopher a few years ago), is that the ones who remained in Middle-earth would become increasingly incorporeal and ghost-like with the centuries, as their bodies "wore out" - almost like the Nazgul, though in a more benevolent fashion. (Much of Tolkien's concept behind this was that physical immortality was ultimately impossible in this world - all that you really get if you try it is something similar to the undead existence of the Ringwraiths - and also, the Elves are now *supposed* to fade or go to the Undying Lands because it's time for the humans to succeed them).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 30, 2001 09:24:47 PM
IP: 168.191.109.40

Today I had my interview at Barnes & Noble, and I was hired. I've finally got a job again and I hope it's much better than my last job. I'm working in a much better book store for one. The pay is decent, the commute is easy, and I get some nice benefits, 30% off on all books and 50% off at the cafe and a 45 minute break.

A moment of silence for George Harrison. He died on my father's birthday

ALAN> <<While I admit to being a fan of Buffy/Spike>> Aw geez, not another one. Spike/Dru FOREVER! <<LotR mugs> I keep on meaning to get one, as there is a Burger King right by my apartments.>> I've picked up the Gandalf and Arwen goblets today. Not bad. <<I've tried to read the books at least twice, but can never seem to get past the first fifty pages or so, although everyone tells me it's slow going at first. I plan to try again before the new movie comes out.>> I had the same problem when I started reading, now I love them. <<That joke is so wrong...>> Which one of my many jokes has caused this uproar ;)

AARON> <<Now, a Sandman anime series... That would be cool.>> We should start a petition. <<Isn't Harry supposed to grow up in the course of the series anyway?>> No, the Devil keeps him young in order to get more young people reading the story and convert them to his side ;) <<Beware those two, for they have strange powers.>> I have wintnessed them first hand, resistance is futile! <<Sounds nifty to me.>> Okay, it's settled, naked Demona on the Gathering 2003 Con Badge. As with previous Gatherings, you are required to wear your con-badge at all times. <<C'mon people, don't you know, if you outlaw cloning, only outlaws will have clones. ;)>> Okay, I want clones outlawed so thus only I shall have access to creating them and I will use them to rule the world. A genetically perfect army. Replacing the three government branches with clones who will sign the country over to me.

TODD> Nice analysis on "Lord of the Rings".
Greg Bishansky
Friday, November 30, 2001 08:05:05 PM
IP: 216.179.5.168

Actually, it makes sense that they'd expand a little more on the Aragorn/Arwen relationship and its ramifications (especially the price that Arwen must pay by falling in love with and ultimately marrying a mortal) in the movie, since Tolkien considered it a crucial part of the story (if forced somewhat in the background by the use of the hobbits as p.o.v. characters). In his letters, he said that, to him, the real overall theme of the book wasn't so much power and the efforts to get it (as with the One Ring) as death and immortality - and, to be more precise, the strong difference between Elves and Men in this regard.

To explain a little about this, the concept is this. Elves will live forever, at least until the world ends. Humans die, and when they die, their souls depart from the world to somewhere beyond it, where God waits. Humans find the prospect not only of death, but of departure forever from the world that they love to be a frightening one, and long for immortality in order to escape such a fate (which plays into Sauron's hands, allowing him to tempt many humans into accepting the Nine Rings - which offer not just power but immortality - and leads to their becoming undead Ringwraiths under his control). But the Elves envy the situation of humans, for their immortality really means being confined to the world forever, until they grow weary of it (shades almost of Demona and Macbeth's immortality in "Gargoyles"); they look upon the fate of humans, leaving the world after their death, as being released from confinement. Also, humans in Tolkien's works are assured that they will ultimately spend eternity, after the end of the world, with God, but nobody knows what will happen to the Elves when the world ends, and whether they will still exist or not. As Tolkien put it in an essay on fairy-stories that he once wrote, while human legends tell about the escape from Death, elven legends most likely tell about the escape from Deathlessness.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 30, 2001 06:44:51 PM
IP: 63.183.39.220

sorry, the section about the book and mike should be address to Josh.

and I forgot to
[relurk]
Daphne
Friday, November 30, 2001 05:40:45 PM
IP: 129.68.138.125

[delurks]
geez, this lurking thing is harder than I thought...

you know, as great as you guys are, you really shouldn't be my primary source of news... I didn't hear about the great mr. harrison until just now when I read it here

[pauses for a moment of silence]

the book is :) like I said, more info will follow when I get it. and there are many mikes. none of them are josh "imzadi". I like my mike. it would be weird if suddenly you were him. :)

thanks for the 'grats to anyone who sent 'em.
I'm a little bummed that the only people I could tell in person really didn;t care, because there's soemthing about hearing the voice of someone who's genuinely happy for you... I feel ripped off. but my friends keep telling me that I'm just looking for a reason to be upset, so I need to be happy.
any suggestions on how to "do" happy? (remember, I'm pretty clean-living. sorry, josh et al.)
Dpahne
Friday, November 30, 2001 05:39:34 PM
IP: 129.68.138.125

wow, that sucks.
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Friday, November 30, 2001 05:35:08 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

SJ> LSAT's!? Wow. Go forth and kick much ass. The world could use a few more _GOOD_ lawyers for a change.

Firestorm> "So much for something to do on the trip over. These X-box consoles are already so full of pure evil that there's nothing I can add."

LotR> I don't know about Happymeals, but my roommate has a very cool promotion bookmark thingee. Got to love a movie that promotes reading, especially the reading of good, old-fashioned geek-classics.

George Harrison is dead. ::sigh:: The world was richer, happier, and brighter for having known him. That we can all be remembered so fondly at the end of our days.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, November 30, 2001 05:03:22 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

NOOO! I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S DEAD!!! he'd dead. o.o

George Harrison is dead... o.o

o.o

o.o now there are only two beatles left!

o.o george is dead.

this is so sad!! i'm not in a happy mood right now. the guy had such a big heart. poor george.

-={the in mourning Terrky}=-

Terrky K - [Terry_kath_2ooo@yahoo.com]
Kansas
Friday, November 30, 2001 04:26:55 PM
IP: 63.252.221.38

A moment of silence for George Harrison, who passed away today ... the Beatle, not the TGS character.

Fleur> Ouch!! Hope you get better and all healed up soon! :)

Josh> <> Just keep telling yourself: soon ... ;) <<Please tell me you're kidding.>> Nope! I'm definitely *not* kidding!! ;) I'm a country chick all the way. :) And yes, I drive the other engineers around here batty with my music ... not to mention most everyone else. What is it with these college kids? ;) <<You mean the fluids class?>> Well, I meant the class that used the sex position illustrated book as a textbook, but I can see fluids class being like that too. I wonder if I have to take fluids ... probably, huh? ;) Statics is starting to get bad here at the end, with friction and screws ... ;) <<You mean besides Coyote?>> BAD!!! ;) I'm gonna have to get you for that one ... ;)

Aaron> Liked the comic. Engineers love catapults. They're fun. :)
Ravyn
Friday, November 30, 2001 04:22:45 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

*Warpmind enters, a tad upset by all accounts. He goes on to pick up whatever form DC is in nowadays and toss it into a pit. Fifty minutes later, DC is still heard falling.*
Grrr... This post BETTER work... I've been pretty much unable to post all week because I've been spontaneously DC'd while typing...

Anyway, catch-up game again...

Todd: D'OHH! *Slaps forehead* Oh, well...

Christine: The Callahan's gang didn't so much groan and moan as tremble in terror. ;) After all, just the words "exchange student" does have some... associations. It's a very common theme in Hen... *Blink* *Glance around* Um, nevermind. };)

Moochie: Yay! Ye're back! As for what in the Bible I say should be taken with a grain of salt, well... I will under no circumstances say that anything in the bible isn't TRUE, I'm just saying a few of the details are likely INACCURATE. Big difference. And some things can *probably* be explained scientifically. Take, for example, the fall of Jericho. (The city, not the gargoyle.) According to the Bible, the Israelites marched around Jericho six times. And then they marched around the city seven times the same day before the final hornblow that took out the walls... now, while I won't rule out Divine intervention, well... does anyone know what happens if an army marches across a bridge in perfect rythm? I'll give you a hint: vibrations. In any case, a nomadic people that long ago were unlikely to have the science to comprehend that, which means some form of greater power was present... Of course, while the letter of the bible has been misinterpreted over untold generations, one may hope the spirit of it hasn't... and THAT is what's important, right?

Christine: Oh, yeah, you're still working on GURPS Sex... think there's any chance I could get a copy of that someday soon? It would be a riot, if I had a crisp-looking copy of that on top of the GURPS stack next time I GM for a group of strangers. };)

Aaron: Well, the power issue was prior to me getting new glasses... So, how goes the Quest for Postage?

Well, that's about all the catch-up there is today... *Sigh* With luck, I'll be back before next week...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, November 30, 2001 03:10:39 PM
IP: 193.217.142.246

CHRISTINE> Don't worry about Arwen, she's not being made into a "Warrior Princess" or anything despite early rumors. Those rumors were true when Miramax was in charge and wanted the whole story told in one two hour movie. While Arwen's role is being increased, she's not joining the Fellowship or anything like that. The one action sequence she'll have is riding Frodo across the Ford of Rivendell while being pursued by the Nazgul. The rest mostly will be to increase the drama of her relationship with Aragorn (mostly material taken from the appendixes). So, I don't think there is much to worry about.

Real post later.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, November 30, 2001 01:34:15 PM
IP: 216.179.6.139

Okay, first off, I'd like to apologize for being a jerk lately. My holiday season is sort of biting, and I'm taking it out on anyone who comes near. I'm sorry. Thank you.

Welcome to all the newbies... Who may not be all that new by the time of this post. Anyway...

Jannie> <<sometimes it's just best to let sleeping dogs lie.>> Very true. Oh, and the VLARP thing was a joke. I've never LARP'd in my life. <<What's even more scary is that to see this guy you wouldn't guess that he had done something like that>> It's always the quite ones... Hehehehe. <<Whatever happen to the days of flying into a major airport and taking a shuttle to the con hotel?>> Um, that *was* an option in LA. Happy belated b-day. <<you're no fun ;p It was just starting to get good!>> It was starting to get OLD, actually. <<The same could and does apply to the basic history books found at school. Did a lot of what they've written actually happen?>> Heh. American school system? Then no.

Jen> <<They claim that because Mononoke Hime did so badly in the US they won't release any more Miyazaki films. (it's hard for a movie to do well in theaters if they have crap advertising and limited release... but oh well)>> Hey, they claim they're not releasing any of the last seven films they have because the first *three* did so poorly. Interesting how they can have figures on how well Laputa did, considering it was *never released* isn't it? Oh, and Jen... Peace?

Josh> <<If I saw her, I'd kind of be inclined to believe it.>> Hell, I'd be kind of inclined to do just about anything she wanted. <<That's one of the signs of the apocalypse, isn't it?>> Well, it's a sign I need to stay more caught up on the room, anyway. <<What about the 165 part?>> Dude, what do you think Demona weighs? Besides, my ideal woman isn't some 98 pound twig who looks like she'd break in half if you breathed on her hard. <> Death & Pest: (Wave at Josh) <<Confucius say...>> Confucius say man who drop watch in toilet have sh!tty time. <<Their powers combine: Josh and Aaron form SECTION 8!>> Yikes! <<<<Well, you're screwed then>>: I hope so.>> LOL. <<I'm sorry, what was this comment referring to?>> Um, I don't remember either. I'm sure it was funny at the time, tho'. <<Only if you give me credit.>> Done. <<Feasting on my soul?>> No, saying that in casual conversation. <> World domination? <<My friend.>> Until it proves inconvenient, right? We are, after all, evil. ;) <<In Berkeley.>> Damn! Always a catch. And I don't think this piddly little town even has anything like that. <<Lets rephrase: "suspended at six points"> Oh, arms, legs, wings, duh. But don't you need a seventh for the tail? <<And some women like that. And some women like it the way you suggested too.>> Indeed. <> Arr arr. I meant me, Robby, and Lain. (Whoops, shows how long this post has taken) <<Bitter much?>> Yeah, so? <<Wouldn't that make a certain New Yorker a bit jealous?>> Not as long as she was involved too. :) <<No, it's a "Love Ewe".>> Oh, gods that was bad. <<Those people over at S8 hate us.>> Noticed that, have you? <<I'm reminded of a certain picture I took at G2k1 of...you.>> The "Don't do that in front of my kids" one? <<Probably about the same time SJ started saying !@$% all the time.>> Point. <<And then I almost died>> Ah, those instances of automotive near death. They make for great stories, as long as they stay *near*. <<or rather would have been once it was finished.>> I thought it *was* finished. It was just constructed to *look* unfinished to catch the Rebels off guard. <<but I'd prefer the money if I could choose only one.>> Of course. It could buy you all the others. <<<<Saving silverman>>: Oh come on, that movie ws funny.>> The original title was Evil Woman. What that has to do with anything, I don't know. <<especially since I won't BE a civil engineer>> Decided to be an UNcivil engineer instead? Remember, MecEs build weapons, CivEs build targets. ;) <<Does Kit get a profile too?>> Sure. It says "See Doug. See Doug Lie. Lie Doug, Lie." <<We get to be fast friends in here.>> And faster enemies. ;) <<Pest and Death are kick_ass characters.>> Pest & Death: (Bow to Josh) <<You realize that I'm going to kill you now.>> Too late. He's already dead. He only comes back on Halloween. Which means those 500 slave girls are going to waste the other 364 days a year... <<When I was 7, my fantasy was to hijack a Toys 'R Us truck.>> I'd still like to hijack a truckload of fine Coke products. I think they'd fit in my garage. <<Even the different lottery numbers of every different fortune cookie?>> They're winners. Somewhere. Eventually. <<Although this isn't one of my fantasies, I'd go with two girls just to say I'd done it>> Pest: It's all about checking off the list... I still need a vampire... <> The idea that you are the good twin is scary. <<But we'd probably call it Earth anyway.>> I'd call it Planet Bob, personally. <<Hey I just thought of something: how did Demona know that the gargoyles would sleep until the castle rose above the clouds?>> I'm betting she told herself during Vows, personally. <<<<you don't have to worry about fallign asleep and driving off the road>>: Where's the fun in that?>> Hee hee, memories of A-kon2K. "I can drive 300 miles when I haven't slept in 28 hours, no problem." <<Very few people die virgins.>> Unless they get sacrificed. ;) <> THANK YOU. <<This this is right up there with the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show from last week. Just absolutely beautiful.>> Hell, that made the highlights on "Inside the NBA". <<<<Sounds like it could be a sitcom>>: Or a porn.>> Well, Christine *is* the one writing it... (Just kiddin' Christine) <<He's got a girl.>> But she didn't show up until *after* I got the coat. <<I'll be replacing my entire PSL collection tonight...behold the power of UNIX.>> Pest: (Gives Josh a sympathy hug) <<<<Breasts in Binary!>>: 00. >> lol. <<Don't make me kick your ass too. ;-)>> Heh. <> I think it's British, made by Hawker, if Hawker is still in business. Technically, it's the Typhoon II, since the original was manufactured as a prop-driven ground-attack fighter toward the end of WWII. <<There are lots of starcraft players up at ALL hours, I've discovered.>> I've heard that there are people who take it so seriously, there have been actual incidents of violence over the outcomes of games. <<Coveting thy neighbor's crap is what drives the economy!>> Did you watch that George Carlin special too? <<Okay so if God is all powerful, and all knowing, and if we have a free will, then god knew we would do things that displease him. Is God some sort of Massochist?>> For my views on that, go pick up all the Preacher TPBs.

Terrky> You're new here, so you don't know this, but there is technically a one post per day limit, not counting top ten, so as not to clog up the room. In practice, two a day is cool, if you forgot something or just need to say something that minute, but four or five a day? Not so cool. Just a friendly reminder. <<O.o am i getting annoying yet?>> Heh. Getting?

SJ> <<Jon Edwards>> Well said. <<Which, hey, might not count for much, but you get the sentiment.>> Awwww. I'm touched. (Now, show us on the doll...) ;) <<"The Killing Joke">> That's the one where he's going to be executed for something he didn't do, right? <<What if I WAS Pissy? That might be enough to melt down the fabric of all reality.>> I think we've had enough secret identities to last us a while. Besides, that would make Josh Pissy too, and I don't think that's the case. <<Probably the same ones who said that gays and the ACLU were the cause of the Sept. 11th attack.>> No, that was Falwel, this was one of our semi-local nuts. <<I'd like to borrow that when you're done with it...>> Come to the Gathering then. It's out of print, and a bit of a collector's item now. <<You hire Jackie Chan to play Chen Kenichi, and I'm THERE.>> Hell, just get either of the guys from Iron Monkey. They both could cook ninja style. <<Hey, did you just admit to watching porn? GAY porn at that?>> MC is female. Women love gay porn. That was how we knew "Kit" wasn't real, remember? <<then there are people in this room to whom those words would be absolute anathema>> Like me. I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it tho'. It's a what-if, never-never land scenario. <<this is turning into the Gargoyles Adult Comment Room.>> (Looks around) No, I see some intelligent conversation going on, and the population hasn't been replaced entirely with trolls, therefore, this is not the adult CR. <<All I need now is for someone to start professing their love of hermaphrodite porn>> I think Gside already did that. <<or to start asking questions about where Zafiro hides his junk>> That was the S8 room. <<Special Olympics>> If it's any consolation, I find the Special Olympics funny, at least in that many "Special" Olympians are perfectly healthy people with nothing wrong with them, entered by their governments who want to win *some* kind of Olympic gold. Happy belated b-day, BTW. And for your birthday/unspeakable atrocity amusement, check out the Special @$$ Olympics, presented by the guys at Sore Thumbz, starting here: http://www.clanbob.net/comics/st/20010819 <<Then he probably cares as little about Jesus Christ as Greg Weisman.>> (Kerblinkity) Wha? Did I miss something? <<because I think Natalie Portman is way hot>> To each his own, I suppose.

Gside> <<And make sure to dump garbage without a permit.>> Yes, Arlo. <> That just sounds wrong. <<Unless you know of a way to produce infinite children over a finite lifetime.>> Death: Shut up, Pest. <<the basic plot of a combined Evangelion/Sailor Moon dojin out there.>> Evangelimoon, gotta love it. Shame Misato doesn't put in an appearance tho'. <<But how often can you flirt with the same guy>> Until something happens, I suppose. <<I've heard that there's a huge difference in the number of clippings here and the number of clippings internationally>> For men and women both. (Shudder)

Entity> <<Actually, I found most of the action/mech fighting in Gundam Wing to be dull.>> Good gravy man, did you watch the same series I did?!? Almost anything involving Heero, Treize, Zechs, and Noin was cool. Plus, everything Duo did was cool. *Everything*.

FS> <<WHY the frell don't they just EXECUTE him?>> Because he's NUTS, and therefore not responsible for his actions. <<How specialized do you want them? Just one for the general staff, or one for each "department?">> Whichever is generally feasible for you. <<All we need is math>> That's where Greg's timeline comes in. <<At least no one asks me what FYF means anymore.>> What does FYF stand for? ;) <<Don't be tempted by the fruit!>> Death: Xellos? <<Coyote/Hyena/Matrix sex scene>> Death: (Makes note) And another one goes on the list... <<Basicailly, some of the members of the board are gathering money together to buy Coa a whore.>> ... How come we never do anything like that?!? Oh, it's cause we're all broke. Right.

Carolynn Marie> <<Sandman Movie>> Never happen. And if it did, it would suck. Just like the Preacher movie. Now, a Sandman anime series... That would be cool. <<Look at Saving Silverman. Look at Bubble Boy. Look at Joe Dirt. Look at Glitter.>> Must we?

Patrick> <<Hey... be careful or you'll give them ideas for more sequels.>> I still like Harry Potter and the Naughty Hentai Tentacles, personally. <<playing taxi for Crzy>> New for the PS2, it's CrzyTaxi! It's like Crazy Taxi, except it's XXX-rated! ;) <<Okay... then how about we bring back some classics from my childhood in the 80s.>> Totally knarley idea, man. <> I always thought of it as a grown-up magical girl show, personally. <<so they can film the next six screenplays before that kid hits puberty and goes the way of Macaulay Culkin.>> Isn't Harry supposed to grow up in the course of the series anyway?

LM> Happy belated B-day. <<He already mentioned that he has TMJ.>> Too Much Jaw? ;)

Warpy> Happy birthday to you too. <<now I've got the nifty kind that becomes darker in brighter light, and vice versa), and now the power has been coming and going for the past couple of days>> Are you sure it's not just your glasses darkening up too much? ;)

Taleweaver> <<Great rivalries>> Knicks-Heat. A titanic struggle between evil and... um... evil. <<This story does fall into the PWP? category. (Plot? What plot?)>> Heh. I thought you were talking about something else entirely for a second...

metaldemon> <<Physicists saw steaks form, in a completley random occurence, in a large chamber.>> I want that chamber! Any place that produces fine beef out of thin air is cool in my book. ;)

Doug's profile> Not bad, except it should say we got fed up with *his* bullsh1t, which he didn't seem to know whether it was real or imagined. <<Hopefully I will never feel the need to post again.>> I hope so too.

DanielJ> My sympathies on the loss of your mother.

Yggdrasil> <<Although the movie has the best sword battle ever!>> Nah. CTHD easy. Or maybe Holy Grail.

Wilek> <<Reboot>> If you missed the eps 3 and 4, well, you missed a *lot*. <<I wonder what caused the Gargverse's acceleration of technological evolution. Long_forgotten contact with aliens? An ancient gargoyle civilization leaving its artifacts and scattered, fallen descendants behind after its dissolution?>> The Lost Race, maybe? <<if you don't have a soul, then what are you, a rock or a compact car or a nice gazebo or something?>> A lawyer? <<Nothing Hell has to offer is worth your soul.>> Death: ... <> Yep. Actually, the series is the set up for the game, and features some of the most kick-ass sword combat I've seen in anime. <<Wow, the only ep I can do that with is Mirror Mirror.>> It was the planet-eater ep. Which sets up one of the more kick-@$$ TNG books, Vendettas. <<Eh?>> TMI stands for Too Much Information.

Daphne> <<what does it take (short of actual powers) to be a superhero? anyone?>> A willingness to sacrifice yourself for the greater good. Just ask Six-Pack. <<a blue moon this month, too, right?>> Did Broadway lose his loincloth again? Good luck with the contest.

Fleur> <<Money situation>> That sucks. (Hugs) <<I've been eligable for Youth Allowance for a while now, but I haven't signed up because I didn't really need it.>> Silly, silly girl. Extra cash you don't have to pay back is *always* good, whether you really need it or not. <<proofreadersplace>> Cool! I might sign up as a proofer, if I can find the time. <> PBS Video might have them, if they're still in business. <> Ow. Get better. I'd offer hugs, but that might hurt. (Sends good vibes, instead)

Spacebabie> Happy belated b-day. <<Knee and elbow pads, for my roller sneakers.>> Maybe you should just wear them all the time. <<Dawn is turning into quite the Klepto.>> As long as she doesn't go Fox on us... <<Well my brother did it he got a tattoo on his arm last night.>> Full color, or just mono? <<He described the feeling as "Someone taking their nails and digging into your skin and the nails are vibrating as it moves.">> I thought it felt like having an icepick dragged through your skin, personally. <<Ouch!>> But aren't you the Queen of Pain? When are you getting one? ;) <<Yes I'm turning into a slut and I blame Crzy and Mara ~_^>> Beware those two, for they have strange powers. <<Well its one of those that wraps around the arm.>> A tribal?

Christine> <<Becca wants to shoot some pool>> Aww. I bet she's quite the little hustler. <<"Dawn of the Living_Impaired,">> Here's something I think you might get a kick out of... http://www.angryflower.com/brains.gif <<Harry Potter and the Exchange Student>> Aiden? <> They shall be branded... With the mark of Demona. Those who do so willingly won't have alcohol poured over it afterwards. :) <<extra thanks to Crzy, Patrick, Josh, and SJ for providing the bickering that we might otherwise miss ; )>> Yes, many thanks. As if my holiday season wasn't already a cross between "A Lion In Winter" and "The Ref" anyway. <<Precursor to Sunday's purge of Becca's playroom ... I must be strong!>> You do know that about the time you get rid of it all, you'll have another kid, don't you?

MC> <<So do you believe killing/crippling your genetic rivals will be very satisfying and pleasurable?>> Hell yes! BTW, what does EWG stand for, anyway? <<An infinate number of monkeys typing on an infinate number of type writers for an infinate amount of time will eventually produce the scripts of the 4th, 5th, ad infinitum number of seasons of Gargoyles.>> So THAT's where all that bad fanfic comes from. <<Badges>> Hey, you were at A-kon2K1 too? We might have run into each other. (Heh, I know, out of 5000 otaku, what are the odds?) Did you make it to the Cosplay?

Winterwolf> How in the HFIL did you ever beat Drzzt?!? He's impossible! (And since it looks like I'll never find out, what do you get for beating him?)

GXB> <> Pest: Hey! No horning in on my turf! <<YES! YES! We should have that!!! But if Siryn doesn't want to do that, it could be done for G'03. Aaron, Mara? What do you think?>> Sounds nifty to me. <<I'm sure Aaron wears his for the same reason.>> Pretty much, yeah. <<Now I have met both Patrick and Jen in person and they are most definetly not twins ;)>> Thank the stars. If Patrick looked like Jen, it would just be creepy, and the alternative... (Shudder) No offense Patrick, but you really do look like Janet Reno in drag.

archwolf> <<fic>> Yay! New fic!

JackaL> Welcome back.

Lynati> <<Are we organized enough here for someone(s) to get together and decide on this issue?>> Are we organized enough here for us to get together and decide on *anything*? ;) (Hugz) <<52 ½ hours. Woo! Beat that. ;)>> I'm not even going to try.

Ed> Welcome back.

Aingeal <<Here's my question.... why can't they just take the older films and re_digitize them or whatnot.. why make new ones to begin with?>> One, because that would be a contractual nightmare, and two, because I'm sure Disney wants to go full animation.

Narnia> Does anybody remember the Young Ones episode with the Narnia spoof?

Emambu> <<have got to get my hands on the Record of Lodoss Wars series. That's my next big purchase. Unfortunately, a lot of little purchases stand in my way.>> Try http://www.animecastle.com/dvdlodosswar.html Nice prices. <> Heh. Just check out Velvet Goldmine.

SOROW> Happy belated b-day to you as well. (What is it with all the birthdays lately?) Sorry it was dull. (Hugbees)

Mandolin> Count me in for the "I hate CBS" group too, for the way they treated American Gothic and EZ Streets.

Lee Shaw> Welcome. <<They skipped from 'Avalon, Part 3' straight to 'The Journey' at the start of the third season.>> Obviously not fans of the World Tour. ;)

Todd> <<I've got to admit that I'm not entirely sure that I like the merchandising concept>> Wait til you see the Burger King commercial... (Shudder)

DPH> <<Has anyone else been getting spam with a bad date on it?>> On Thanksgiving, I got some dated back in August.

Jaden> <<I'm going to be leaving for Ft. Polk so I may not be able to post for a month or so.>> (Sympathy hugs)

God, and his alleged actions in Egypt, regarding the Isralites, and the Pharoh> There's a great episode of OZ where the whole thing is outlined by Augustus Hill, the show's narrator/Greek chorus, which ends with one of my favorite quotes: "Hey God! Who's f**kin' side you *on*, anyway?!?"

Revel> <<The shmucks in Dallas had the interstate torn up>> All highway planning in the Dallas area is done by crackheads. Of this, I am convinced.

Niamhgold> <<So those evil villains who we just love to hate...are models of god?>> Death: Demona is God. End of story.

Moochie> Congrats on the engagement.

Cloning> C'mon people, don't you know, if you outlaw cloning, only outlaws will have clones. ;)

For all the engineers> http://www.clanbob.net/comics/cori/20011130

Later... Possibly much later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, November 30, 2001 01:18:21 PM
IP: 209.33.140.100

I haven't posted in a long time, and there's really no special reason that I've decided to post now, only that I'm really bored and waiting for class to start...

*** Buffy/Angel stuff ***

I hate the December/January reruns with a passion. At least FX is showing Buffy twice a day, although they are skipping certain episodes due to legal reasons. As far as I know, the episodes they can't show yet are "Hush," "Buffy vs. Dracula," "The Body," "The Weight of the World," and "The Gift." I find that really odd, because if you had to pick out the five best/most important/plot advancing episodes of season four and five, it'd be those episodes. UPN is going air "Hush" on Dec. 10 and (I think) "The Body" on Dec. 17 during Buffy's regular time slot, and then FX can air those episodes all they want to. I'm not to sure about the other epsiodes, or when they are allowed to start showing season six. I'm guessing it's when season seven starts, as they just started showing season eight of "The X-Files" on FX (which I liked, by the way).

If anyone here is just starting to watch season four of Buffy on FX, it's basically considered to be the worst season. I'm not really sure how that's possible, as it consist of some of the best Buffy episdoes the series ever put out ("Wild at Heart," "Hush," the Faith two-parter, "Restless"). I just guess that the overall arc of the series is a little lack compared to that of season two or five, but still... give it a chance, it has it's moments.

I was a bit disappointed with the last two new episodes of Buffy. While I admit to being a fan of Buffy/Spike, I'm not a big fan of characters being in extreme denial. I guess that nothing they do can really add up to the musical and the episode that directly followed it (at least, not until February sweeps).

Angel, on the other had, has probably been my favorite returning show this season. Every episode has been great, even though I was a bit skeptical of the Darla plot line at first. It's definatley been the better series so far this season.

*** End Buffy/Angel stuff ***

As for new shows I'm watching: mainly just Alias. This is such a great show in every aspect, and a key example of ongoing storylines in television (which is pretty much all you see anymore). If you haven't seen it, I believe next Sunday's episode is a pretty good jumping on point.

And now, replies...

LotR mugs> I keep on meaning to get one, as there is a Burger King right by my apartments. I've tried to read the books at least twice, but can never seem to get past the first fifty pages or so, although everyone tells me it's slow going at first. I plan to try again before the new movie comes out.

Josh> <> You just saw that movie? It's one of my all time favorites. As for how Ving Rhames recovers from something like that, well... I guess he just picks the roles where he gets to play a bad ass. I point out his role on "UC: Undercover" as a prime example. He's still one of my favoirte actors.

Greg> That joke is so wrong...

Where was my Tick episode last night? I was officialy disappointed, as I *hate* watching making-of specials before I get to see the movie it's talking about. I'm 100% sure that particular special will be on the inevitable DVD.

And now, my class is starting...

I'd put a cool quote, but I just can't think of one.
Alan Coleman Waltrip - [alan0815@hotmail.com]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Friday, November 30, 2001 11:42:11 AM
IP: 65.90.98.9

Patrick > ::raspberries:: I take it that you're not planning to sign up as a playtester, then?

LOTR > ooh, wait, now we can get our collectible commemorative glasses at BK too! I'm really starting to worry about what they've done with the Arwen Evenstar role. Sure, I'd like to have seen more strong, active female characters in the book (go, Eowyn of Rohan!), but IMO it's more important that they stay true to the book instead of fiddling with it to give Liv Tyler more screen time. Arwen's not meant to be an action chick. She's meant to be the traditional, classic, useless princess-prize type. ::sigh:: Ah, well, when we've got to deal with an industry responsible for HoND II and Peter Pan II, what should I expect? (Snow White II will be coming soon, just wait).

Steer clear of downtown Seattle today! They're having a rally in memory of the WTO riots (and last year's anniversary riot, too, in which 140 people were arrested). So glad I don't have to work tonight. Bleah.

Grmph. Shouldn't post first thing in the morning. Haven't had the caffeine hit the ol' bloodstream yet. Lots to do today -- all the shopping, and as much AvMists as I can squeeze in around it. Whee! Off I go.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, November 30, 2001 10:44:52 AM
IP: 64.24.214.68

** Niamhgold enters briefly **

Fleur: Oh, my, how awful :( Here's my wishes for a speedy and uneventful recovery! :: hugs :: Think ice cream and body builders ;)

Adios!
Niamhgold
Friday, November 30, 2001 08:08:22 AM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Hey guys.
I haven't read what's been going on, and this is just a quick message: I fractured my spine on Wednesday morning. My 9th thorasic vertebrae now, to quote the doctor, 'looks like a lamington that's been sat on.' I'm okay, really, but I just got out of hospital, and I'm still in a fair amount of pain. I thought I'd let everybody know what was going on while I was checking my exam results through the 'net. In case anybody is wondering: I got two Distinctions and a credit, and the distinctions were for immunology. The best birthday presents I got today were a discharge from the hospital and a letter from the Immunology department inviting me to do Honours next year. I'd dance for joy, but I'd only end up in a writhing ball of pain. (As I discovered two days ago, it's possible to be in so much pain that you can no longer form words, only weird grunting animal noises. And pethodine and morphine patches are the greatest thing on earth.)
Fleur
Friday, November 30, 2001 06:14:02 AM
IP: 203.25.148.62

Today was actually not a particularly bad day. I got a lot of work done, and didn't have to spend a lot of time in classes to do it. Other than a problem on each of two assignments, I'm done for the week. Yay!

I just want all my classes to be over. We had our last Math lecture of new material, and probably our last dynamics lecture of new material...next week will be reviews on Tuesday and Thursday. All my other classes, naturally, refuse to spend the last week reviewing.

Today it was warm enough to not have to wear a turtleneck all day. Yes, I am a wuss when it comes to weathery.

I just saw Pulp Fiction for the first time. It rocks. I can't believe that Ving Rames got raped. How does your career recover from that?

replies!

FS: <<How many volts is the digital signal from a parallel port on a PC>>: Parallel? What's that? USB all the way! <<it assumes that Imzadi wouldn't just KILL the competition so he could boink Sarah Michelle Gellar>>: Do I go to jail? If not, Freddy Prinze is as good as dead. <<but you talked me out of it>>: I like being the only mac user ;-) <>: I'm sure Demona could figure out how to operate the cloning machines (if any existed) or cast spells that would allow them to get pregnant...but why would she want to? <<Which is why I build multiple star ports!>>: Yes, but you still can't "rush" with BC's. Building ONE BC and getting all the resources to build the all the buildings and get all the improvements that it requires takes so long into the game that it can't be considered a "rush".

Taleweaver: <>: Isn't that fun? <<when she says 'no' she really wants it>>: I didn't even notice that.

Spacebabie: <>: I have five finals to study for and a whole week to study for them! <<stares at the single men in the CR with hungry eyes>>: Uh oh...she's hunting...I wish to remain single, thank you.

Shadowrider: <>: I thought I'd avoid them by being an engineer...then I went and took "ethics". <<If some countries should decide to adopt a more permissive attitude than others, consequences could be very bad>>: I can fly to mexico to get a clone for cheap! <<7-tons four wheels truck>>: That sounds like fun. <>: Me too. <<it is very slow in loading>>: No kidding. <<it is the second time I hear mentioning this book...I wonder if>>: Next time you're in England, pick up a copy.

Nukes: <>: Eh, who cares about English anyway?

Shinigami: <<Don't flame each other. Play nice>>: Yes Ma'am.

Christine: <<can you believe it?>>: I'v having trouble wrapping my brain around it.

Terrky: <>: You have many...which one would you like to discuss? <>: Its called a keystroke log. <>: To any geek in your school.

Ravyn: << got my Garth Brooks CD collection playing>>: Please tell me you're kidding. <>: Congrats! <<As Josh would say, I am a happy panda>>: You're a panda!? <<No, not to each other, people!!! Bad!>>: Silly gay wrestlers. <<on all sorts of different sex positions. And the pictures are *extremely* graphic!>>: Not as graphic as the real thing, I'd wager. <<how are you supposed to get through that class without laughing? And how do you do *homework* for that class?>>: You mean the fluids class? The homework isn't funny at all...its just difficult. Its the lectures that are funny. <>: You mean besides Coyote? <<letter>>: LOL!

Robby: <>: What does that have to do with cloning? <>: That's it? I'm sure I'd sleep for two.

Gray: <<This is just a test>>: Is it now?

Patrick: <<GURPS thinks that gamers are so lacking in social life that they need an RPG manual even for that?>>: Dude, gamers ARE that lacking in social life. Most of them don't collect enough XP to get to that point in the first place ;-)

Daphne: <<darn right! [stares briefly at my prom picture>>: Actually, I'm not mike because mike is my roommate. And he set it up. So he gets the name. <<this is an actual book available at bookstores!>>: If its a heavy hard-cover volume, I'll buy a copy.

DPH: <<My dad has been complaining to me about leaving the lights/appliances on when I am not in a room>>: My parents are the same way. Drives me nuts. <<Yep, W:ME. Any thoughts?>>: Several. Start by not using windows ME and getting a mac. <<Please put line breaks between thoughts>>: Most of us don't do that. <<how so?>>: He was making a crack at our intelligence. Well, maybe not mine, but everyone else's.

Sorow: <<It's still good>>: I loved that movie too. <<no promise because it's suppose to get warmer in the week>>: Strip! Strip! Strip!

Gside: <<being raped by cigars>>: OUCH. <<Thank you>>: I thought you'd appreciate that. <>: Good answer. <<Linux User's Group>>: There's enough for a LUG? <<As does the Tick>>: No, its just his battle cry. <<You take your life into your hands should you do that with me in the area>>: Well then I guess she'll filter you out...higher odds for me. And SJ.

If Steve [Jobs] put poop on a stick and called it an ergonomic computer control device, Bill [Gates] would have Windows users handling crap all day long. -iBoast, MacAddict Forum member
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, November 30, 2001 03:02:46 AM
IP: 64.170.152.239

By popular demand! ;)

Memo to: Cavemates
From: Osama
Regarding: The Cave

Hi guys. We've all been putting in long hours but we've really come together as a group and I love that. Big thanks to Omar for putting up the poster that says "There is no I in team" as well as the one that says "Hang In There, Baby." That cat is hilarious. However, while we are fighting a jihad, we can't forget to take care of the cave. And frankly I have a few concerns.

First of all, while it's good to be concerned about cruise missiles, we should be even more concerned about the scorpions in our cave. Hey, you don't want to be stung, and neither do I, so we need to sweep the cave daily. I've posted a sign up sheet near the main cave opening.

Second, it's not often I make a video address but when I do, I'm trying to scare the most powerful country on earth, okay? That means that while we're taping, please do not ride your razor scooter in the background. Just while we're taping. Thanks.

Third point, and this is a touchy one. As you know, by edict, we're not supposed to shave our beards. But I need everyone to just think hygiene, especially after mealtime. We're all in this together.

Fourth: food. I bought a box of Cheez-Its recently, clearly wrote "Osama" on the front, and put it on the top shelf. Today, my Cheez-Its were gone. Consideration. That's all I'm saying.

Finally, we've heard that there may be American soldiers in disguise trying to infiltrate our ranks. I want to set up patrols to look for them. First patrol will be Omar, Muhammed, Abdul, Akbar, and Richard.

Love you lots.

Osama
Ravyn
Friday, November 30, 2001 12:28:26 AM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Gunjack> <<If you want more pithy quotes, try King David's oath in 1 Samuel 25:22. I'll give you a hint; the literal translation isn't "every male".>>: You mean "thus doth God do to the enemies of David, and thus He doth add, if I leave of all that he hath till the light of the morning -- of those sitting on the wall"?
And you better start regularly posting flippantly. Or else... or else... just or else.
<<Most people don't>>: I do. Oh. Right.
<<So what's bill's punishment?>>: Maybe it's just a demon stand in, while he's off being raped by cigars.
<<now light the corpse on fire>>: Thank you.
<>: And I'm probably related to all of them.
<<Beatcha to it>>: Yeah, but I included an example. And I just like the concept of anti-falling.
<<LOL! I want one!>>: Shouldn't be too hard. Just need a blank D8 and spare M8B.
<<I'm sorry...is that a plus?>>: Maybe, maybe not. I just like how often Leda pops up in fine art.
<<How many fingers?>>: Fingers? I see a pinkish blob...

Metaldemon> <<And I see no right or ability to clone a human being until science can answer the ontological question>>: I don't beleive ability has anything to do with ontology. Science can do something, and the results apparently (will) satisfy the tests for being human (right number of genes, correct outlay of organs, appropriate responses from the nervous system (relayed through words and gestures)).
<<Scientists who want to do human cloning want the fame>>: All of them? That's quite the blanket statement there.
Mooncat> <<If Nashville had the reputation of being full of homosexual women>>: A lot can be said at Rutgers in the phrase "She's from Douglas."

Jan> <<*wolf whistles* aren?t you a cutie>>: I think you're responding to a different comment. I don't have any blue hats or robes. Though there should be more mage groupies.

Imzadi> <>: Recently RUSLUG was formed here. That's Ruters University Linux User's Group.
<<so you can't debate whether or not we have the ability to>>: Oh well. I'm still keeping mine in. Because I'm lazy.
<>: As does the Tick.

Fire Storm> <<She is fully hackable... er... 'customizable.'>>: And you haven't even cracked her personal privacy algorithms yet?
<<if you give me a free rental at Rent-A-Zilla, I'll see what I can do>>: I'll do my best.

Spacebabie> <<stares at the single men in the CR with hungry eyes>>: You take your life (or at least your stomach) into your hands should you do that with me in the area.

And for some randomness, the new mp3 is Dueling Bagpipes by The Chieftans.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:57:08 PM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Delurks...

Ravyn>> I'd like to see the full version of that.

Yooper - [jwprusi@up.net]
MI
Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:43:04 PM
IP: 141.219.84.191

hey hey. I saw Harry Potter for the second time today. It's still good :) We had freezing rain today and hopefully it'll snow soon, but there's no promise because it's suppose to get warmer in the week.
SOROW
Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:05:54 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

**DPH crosses his fingers and pulls out a good luck charm.**

Imzadi - you got me on that logic. Of course, I was joking.

Daphne - congrats.

**More Hypocrisy**
My dad has been complaining to me about leaving the lights/appliances on when I am not in a room. I take a shower and turn all lights off. He comes in, while I am drying on and getting dressed and complains about no lights being turned on. Go figure!!

Oh yea, he knows I am going to have to wood in the stove, but locks the door to get there. Go figure!!
**end more hypocrisy**

I bet I have the most hypocritatic dad of anyone in the room and maybe next year, we oughta have a contest to see who has the most hypocritatic parent.

I used to be a morning person, but I couldn't stay up late. Now, I am a night owl, but don't ask me to get up early.

It finally stopped raining over here.

Ravyn - I want to hear the full version of the joke if it does not use obscene language.

Terkky - do you remember to completely log off of every website you log into at school?

Shadowrider - - while driving around with a friend, I end up yawning. Of course, that may be because I have reached a level of relaxation that can't get around my dad.

Spacebabie - <Great DC death.> thanks. DC normally does not bother me.

Occasionally, for some unknown reason, a DLL file causes an error and I lose all sound on this PC. Yep, W:ME. Any thoughts?

Metal Demon - your post looks like one giant paragraph and is hard to read. Please put line breaks between thoughts.

SJ - <there are still some actual intelligent people who occasionally post in here. But that number is sure dwindling off.> how so?
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:58:25 PM
IP: 204.94.193.81

[delurks]

josh>> <. In fact, I'm everything but "mike" ;-) > darn right! [stares briefly at my prom picture, then resumes typing] btw, I changed my SN... email me (suburbanbubble@hotmail.com) if you want the new one.

so, things are... well... pretty darn cool, actually.
a few weeks ago, I was at this "free stuff" site [click my name], and they said if you submit a poem to this contest, the site (the free stuff site, not poetry site) would send a free gift. so I'm getting a free magazine -- which is pretty good in itself, but GET THIS ....
today I got a letter from the poetry website saying that a) I'm a semifinalist (there's cash prizes!!) and b) I'm getting published!!!!! they have this volume out, and unlike Who's Who of High School, this is an actual book available at bookstores! more info will follow, I promise... oh, I am so hyped. supposedly, I can get national recognition for my writing from this!
[re-lurks ecstatically]
Daphne, apprentice-wordsmith - [<-- free stuff]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 09:03:16 PM
IP: 129.68.138.125

Jan: >> Same difference, no? My point was that the city of Sodom is associated with sodomy because of the activity there. <<

No, it's not the same difference. The term sodomy was coined from the name of the city based on an interpretation of the Biblical account of its inhabitants' behavior. The act was named after the city, not the other way around. If the city had been called Whoville, the act would have been dubbed "whovillery."

Yes, I am quibbling over semantics, but that's because in this case the semantics are important. It's flawed logic to say "There must have been sodomy in Sodom, otherwise the city wouldn't have been named Sodom."
Mara: You've got mail back. :)

Christine: So you mean GURPS thinks that gamers are so lacking in social life that they need an RPG manual even for that? I can just picture it now... "Hang on, dear... I have to roll 3d6." :P
Patrick Toman
Thursday, November 29, 2001 07:59:20 PM
IP: 66.72.192.154

greg- i had the pleasure of sharing that joke with everyone at my senior class meeting today. gooooood joke. good.
NukesGoBoom
Thursday, November 29, 2001 07:59:12 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

This is just a test.
Gray
Thursday, November 29, 2001 07:56:57 PM
IP: 216.243.8.33

***Robby enters the room wearing a yellow trenchcoat and hat, followed by a blond in camo carrying a camera. In the corner of the room, Robby spots piles of money and exclaims, acting badly.
"Look at all this money! Rupies, franks, dollars, lira, and every kind of currency available! Its like the national mint in here! But all this money must be counterfit! Clearly there is a crime involved, oh, what ever should I do?"
The blond behind him mutters something about him being a bad actor.
***

Sorry about that, I just watched Castle of Cogliostro again. Still my favorite movie.

Religious stuff- I'm neither for nor agin' it, and I really don't care what people's opinions are either way. But as co-admin, I do have to say, try not to insult anyone while stating your opinions, it is possible to do.

Buffy- Still don't watch the show, forgot about the syndicated episodes on FX when it started until it was like 3 weeks in... Someone remind me next time it starts up and I'll watch it from scratch.

Cloning- I'm all for it. I wanna live forever. My evil twin who keeps getting killed is certainley interested in the reasearch.

Greg- Baaaad joke. Baaaad.

Lynati- Hope you're recovering from your awake streak... Longest I've ever gone was I think 40 hours, and I slept for like a solid day after that... And get Aaron to beat 52 1/2 hours without sleeping? Damn, looks like we're gonna have to watch Treasure Island and the Reboot marathon again...

Gunjack- "Sex at noon taxes"?

Christine- Snow? Eee, nasty stuff that... Here we're currently getting rain in cold weather. Not enough to make hail or snow but enough to freeze it into sheets of ice once its on the ground...

SJ- Well, LotR isn't gonna sell Happy Meals, but it will sell Burger King product... I might actually look into those mugs myself, they look kinda cool and I need some new dishes...

Hmm... That looks to be about it...

***Changes into a green jacket, climbs into his yellow car, hits the afterburners and rides up the wall and out***
Robby
Thursday, November 29, 2001 07:37:09 PM
IP: 172.173.123.41

Howdy, all! Mmm ... got my Garth Brooks CD collection playing, I'm kicking back, and relaxing ... why? I just got an A on my Statics exam!!! Woo hoo!!! As Josh would say, I am a happy panda. :)

Plus I just did absolutely nothing at work. When I got in, all our computers were down, and our bosses (well, all the serious ones at least) had gone home ... I tried to do the typing that I needed to do ... then hit "Print" ... and the ONE printer that the entire floor needs to print ended up being broken, so nothing would print. And the only things I absolutely *had* to get done today all required typing and *printing!* So I gave up, and the office ordered out for pizza and cake ... then we shrink-wrapped the leftover pizza when we were done because A) we could take it home easier that way and B) It was really fun to shrink-wrap pizza!!! :) Plus I introduced our new employee to what is known as "The Book" ... see my reply to Josh below. ;)

SJ> Hey, good luck on the LSATs!!!!!!! Let me know how it goes too!!! :) <<Oh, and congrats to David Boreanaz, aka Angel, who got hitched over the weekend.>> Aw ... although I really haven't cared since Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels got hitched. No, not to each other, people!!! Bad! ;)

Josh> <> Aw, that's nothing ... where I work, we've got a book used for some class that's basically an illustrated book (which we affectionally call "The Book") on all sorts of different sex positions. And the pictures are *extremely* graphic! All I want to know is ... how are you supposed to get through that class without laughing? And how do you do *homework* for that class??? ;)

FS> <<Are you still coming up 12/29/01? If so, what time?>> Yeppers!!! My flight lands in Detroit at about 1:00 in the afternoon your time, and Coyote's picking me up ... I'm not sure what time we'll be around, so you might want to talk to him about it ... I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to Michigan. ;)

And here's a shortened version of a joke I got over e-mail ... let me know if anyone wants the full version. ;)

MEMO:
From: Osama
To: Cavemates

Hi guys. We've all been putting in long hours lately. However, while we are fighting a jihad, we can't forget to take care of the cave. And frankly I have a few concerns. First, it's not often I make a video address but when I do, I'm trying to scare the most powerful country on earth, okay? That means that while we're taping, please do not ride your razor scooter in the background. Just while we're taping. Thanks.

Second, I've heard that there may be American soldiers in disguise trying to infiltrate our ranks. I want to set up patrols to look for them. First patrol will be Omar, Muhammed, Abdul, Akbar, and Richard.

Love you lots, Osama

And because I can't help it, a quote:

"If you'll be my Dixie Chicken, I'll be your Tennessee lamb, and we can walk together in Dixie Land." (Garth Brooks)
Ravyn
Thursday, November 29, 2001 07:26:28 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

GAAAAAAH!!! GAHx11! i have an issue.. ok SOMEONE in my school is stealing my AOL sn's for instant messenger! i don't know how they do it. i don't let it save my passwords. but somehow, they are even changeing the e-mail account they go too, so i can't get them back. and my e-mail provider thingy went down, so this is just perfect.

we also have a LAN connection at school, so we got this e-mail thingy there, and this person (don't know who it is yet) but they are harassing me on there. i remember, the first thing i said to this person was, we'de find out who it is by the process of elimination.

HAHA! sure enough, i have narrowed it down quite a bit...

1) the person knows my girlfriend is 2 years younger than me
2) this person knew one of my SN's on AIM, so that person obviously uses the same computer i use duriong seminare
3) one of the sn's he stole today i was useing earlier, so he uses the computer AFTER second hour, and obviously on a gold day (we got block scedualing) PLUS: he has to be doing it at school. how else could he get the passwords unless the name is on the same computer.
4) AND, he is in a seminare class where he has full computer acess (i know this becaue we send e-mails back and forth insulting eachother)
5) and it is someone who has or is takeing a computer class, and knows alot about computers for a highschooler.
6) and is dull and boreing enough to spend all his work time trying to hack into my aol accounts, so he abviously has no life.

thats all i really need to know!! ^^ tomorrow i'm gonna talk to the head computer guy, and the principal, and see if we can track him down. they tried once before. i think it freaked him out a little, cause that was almost two months ago.

anyway, i will have my Terrky2ooo name back.. eventually, i soon as we know who it is, but the only name he hasn't stolen so far is AvatarEatherian .... so for some of you people i talk to on AIM sometimes, thats what i'll be on.

see yall!

-={Terrky the pissed off}=-
Terrky K - [terry_kath_2ooo@yahoo.com]
Kansas
Thursday, November 29, 2001 07:17:33 PM
IP: 64.197.199.156

Special note: tonight, at 7 p.m. St. Louis time, FOX is doing a television special on the making of the LotR movie, entitled "Quest for the Ring". I certainly intend to see it (both the special and the movie).

In my LotR reading, I've gotten all the way up to "The Council of Elrond", where (amid a good deal of revelations over the background history of Middle-earth) Frodo accepts the mission of destroying the Ring. We also get an introduction of sorts to Saruman the White, who could vie with Sauron for the most intriguing villain in the book. (Saruman is power-hungry, ruthless, and treacherous, like Sauron, but adds onto it the claim - which he may in part believe - that he's doing what he does for the good of Middle-earth, and that his rule over it would bring order and purpose to it.)

The chapter also introduces Gimli the Dwarf into the story (although he has a non-speaking role in it), who may be one of the Tolkien figures most of interest to "Gargoyles" fans in light of his being played by John Rhys-Davies in the movie.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, November 29, 2001 06:41:45 PM
IP: 168.191.109.116

It's Burger King that has the LOTR kid's meal toys ...

Josh > yeah, rain, can you believe it?

Update > I expect to finish Changeling Moon next week; after much maneuvering I've finally got all my characters in place for the big finish. Should be getting my comp copies of the zombie book anytime now. No word on the other short stories. Avalon Mists will be posted sometime this weekend.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 05:32:13 PM
IP: 64.24.214.143

Quick comments to people.

Patrick-you got mail.

Aaron- I love you, one month and counting down...

Jen- Where's my flavoured lube?

Lynati- Sleep child. Play with the LMitB, that should help.

Everyone else- Don't turn into the adult CR, it's sad in there. Don't flame each other. Play nice. Other than that, as you were.

Shinigami - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 05:10:00 PM
IP: 172.142.237.54

*leans in*

Spacebabie: After 52 hours awake, I don't think I had any sanity left. I'm suprised I was even able to post properly, acutally. Heh.

*off to C+G class*
Lynati
Thursday, November 29, 2001 04:34:00 PM
IP: 207.94.232.240

lol. i have a study hall before i have lunch, and there are computers in my study hall, so i thought that i could pass the time by installing starcraft and practice. i played for 3 straight classes, skipping english. lets just say im getting well prepared for all of my challengers!

gunjack- did you quit half-life or any of its mods?if you havnt, would you like to play something? ever since you got me started on it, i have been playing counter strike, team fortress, and half life death match. so, i think that i am good enough to fight with you :) how "bout it?
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 04:31:35 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

Hola everyone. Oh, well...the good news first: I passed another mid-term test today. I have just another one Saturday, then things are supposed to relax a bit for a few weeks. The average news: I got just a 7/10 on the test (Aeronautical Structures). Oh, well, I'll do better next time. The bad news: flu has nailed me down for the last two days, and it seems willing to continue for another few days at least. So, I apologize if what I write seems even more senseless than usual...

Cloning debate: Hm, well, when such things happen I know that I was right in avoiding like Hell every kind of study that looked even in the slightest way like Biology or Medicine...I would never have to pose to myself similar moral issues. Anyway, for now I am not definitely pro or against...for sure, such a technology has amazing potential both on the positive and on the negative side. Of one thing I am sure: nations of the world must quickly agree on a common and uniform legislation about this topic, and must make sure it is applied strictly. If some countries should decide to adopt a more permissive attitude than others, consequences could be very bad.

I see the religious debate is going on. Well, I already posted my view, and I have no intention to insist on the topic, if not directly called in. Just for everyone to know...

Nukes:> << you must be highly skilled...>> Nah, I don't think so. After all, I eventually knew my share of defeats as well. And, actually, it is not that I play just with Terrans...there are situations in which I prefer Protoss, or even Zerg. <<with goliaths and other "troops" (im assumming you used air units also). >> Well, I use every kind of unit I feel necessary to achieve victory. <<would you like to play a 1v1? >> I'd really like it...but now I really am too busy. We could try something for the Christmas break, if you like. I could eventually take advantage of the delay to make a little practice, since it's been more than a year since the last time I extensively played StarCraft...

Josh:> <<When it comes to driving, no. Its too mentally exhausting. >> Hm, I understand. For me, instead, is not so...I find driving a relaxing activity, especially if I have no haste and there is not that much traffic. It applies mainly with bikes, naturally (I happened to ride for 1200 kms stopping just for refuelling), but also to other vehicles at a lesser extent. Although...well...once, when I was in the military, I and a soldier were sent to transport some material with a CM (a 7-tons four wheels truck) and we had to drive in shifts for 800 kms forward and 800 kms back, in one day...and that damn thing was so old and crippled that seemed ready for the scrap...when we finally returned, both of us had his back aching, I had a VERY strong headache, and various other things...that particular travel was quite tiring even for me...
<<Activities that require less...thought...I have quite the endurance for ;-) >> Well...I think I will delegate to someone else the verification of this...;)
<<Know where I can read the specs? >> Hmmm...I am quite sure there is a specs screen in the site I linked you to. Anyway, if you don't find them, try here: www.eurofighter.com . It is a more official site, but it is very slow in loading, be warned.

Fire Storm:> <<How many students are on your campus? How many school computers are there? >> Quite right...actually, there are much more than the needed. Anyway, there are numerical methods to decrease the workload, and it IS more parctical than using all the computers of the campus at the same time for just a wing...

Niamhgold and Josh:> <Penne> Ehm...excuse me if I intervene, but I suspect I could help...well, in Italian "penis" is translated with "pene". Actually, "pene" is the correct word (meaning: the word you find in dictionaries...); Like Niamhgold say, there are many other words with the same meaning, but are dialectic and more or less vulgar.
<<"Dictionary of Sex">> Hm...it is the second time I hear mentioning this book...I wonder if...

Oh, well...I suppose it is over...see eevryone as possible, probably in the weekend.

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 03:17:24 PM
IP: 213.255.20.83

To all my fellow students, its crunch time again. Yep and I only have one final to study for and a whole week to study for it. And it will just cover two plays. Henry the IV part one and Othello.

You know you did a great job on a poem when someone writes Kickass on a copy.

Can’t believe Monday will be my last class.

Can’t believe after Thursday the semester will be over.

Can’t believe I haven’t gotten one of those light up glasses from BK yet.

Can’t believe I don’t have a review for Buffy,

Can’t Believe David Boreanez got married. What does that leave me with? (stares at the single men in the CR with hungry eyes)

Lyn<<>> You made it here and that’s great. There is a little jar near the entrance, please deposit your sanity in it.

DPH>>> Great DC death.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Thursday, November 29, 2001 02:54:01 PM
IP: 67.25.53.123

*Breezes in through the fabric gate*

Heya, all.
Now that the swelling in my hands has gone down enough to type properly- and I am conscious enough to do so- I can make replies.

Aaron: 52 ½ hours. Woo! Beat that. ;)

SJ: <Wow, a big-budget fantasy film this year that won't include annoying cartoon characters meant to sell Happy Meals> heh. There are plastic toys of the movie that are in happy meals anyway. Someone had fast food in my art history class and I have seen them- Gandalf, anyway- with my own eyes. (apparently, once you get them all and hook them together, you can stick a xmas light in the Ring area, and the whole thing lights up.)

Imzy: < <<the Jewish people ate children>>: Only some of us.> Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. ;P

Jan: I think that may have been the point I was trying to make. But as I was doing it on...let’s see...46 hours of sleep deprivation, I am no longer even entirely sure what I meant. *shrugs* Ah, the group out cry for pics of my art grows. (heh. From 1 person to 2, but that is growth, ne ?) You guys sure no how to make me feel special. :)

Mooncat: I missed naked Spike?? *Sigh.* The suffering I go through for my art goes untold, truly. ;) :P

Well, I stayed awake through my Final critique...it went well, I think, other than the fact my right eye kept going out of focus. The teachers gave me perfect set-ups for explaining both about for how late I’d been up, and on how the damage to my hands had slowed me down a great deal. So at least, they know I’m perseverent.

I need to face it. 20 hours sleep just wasn’t enough.
*Goes back to bed*
Lynati "yaaaawn* K. - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:41:31 PM
IP: 207.220.96.155

Howdy all,

Buffy Review and Spoilers>

In a way I feel sort of used. Last week, in my mass media class, I alienated half the female population of the class and confirmed the low opinion men for the other half debating women's roles in television and advertising. Then I watch Buffy and see this snuff scene that connects violence and sex, that says when she says 'no' she really wants it, and gives no warning to parents about the content of the episode on a primetime Tuesday night.

The sex aside, what about the Buffy coming back 'wrong'. Spike and Buffy can find happiness under the covers on their own time. What about Buffy's resurrection?

The magic/heroin addiction thing was both too obvious and too contrived. We've seen Willow raise the dead, fight a god, and other great feats of magic without breaking a sweat or needing a nap. Now we need to believe magic is some addictive drug Willow can't control? And what about Amy? She's a rat for years and the first day back she's as strung out as junky whose never stopped using.

Another big question was Dawn. She's bleeding. I know dimensional portal wouldn't open, but does this mean she's 100% human?

The heart to heart between Willow and Buffy was OK. Buffy's projection of her personal relationship is tired. Willow wanting to be a superhero instead of a tag along is interesting, but seemed out of the blue. Wished they showed that in Willow early this season. I thought Tara's problem with Willow's magic was here over-reliance on it to solve problems not using it in general.

It feels that they're stretching one or two good scenes between a lot of fluff. None of the juicier character conflicts and issues gets resolved. Definately a good example of telling not showing.

See ya later
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:15:22 AM
IP: 24.205.118.23

Tech Question: How many volts is the digital signal from a parallel port on a PC?

Coyote: <Well then, look us up! (Us=me, FS and LM.)>
Yes... let us bring another over to the Dark Side of G2004!

Ravyn: BTW... Are you still coming up 12/29/01? If so, what time? Schedule making for December is coming up and with any luck I can ask for ONE more day off, and if it is too early, I need to make sure I am not working the overnight shift the 28th

Homosexuality: Well, if homosexuality is so wrong, why wasn't Rome destroyed earlier?
And why aren't some priests, who are the MESSANGERS of god, killed?

Niamhgold: <Heh heh. You rock. Where can I get some of that?>
The stuff is nice. Yankee Candle sells it.
<And intuition is normally correct>
The only problem with that is it assumes that Imzadi wouldn't just KILL the competition so he could boink Sara Michelle Geller
<They don't get to the door. Cerberus gets to them first, and if not him, a trap door opens up where the place mat is and they fall into fiery obliviion>
But that is SO impersonal! They deserve the gentle touch of a dagger or chainsaw.

Jan: <Don't send any more men, its a trap. There are
two of them.">
THAT'S funny! I guess the Taliban have taken the place in many Polish jokes!

Gside: <To repeat: [benki] (n) bedpan/chamber pot/urinal>
Hmm... Benkimon... I guess the humor just loses something in the translation.

Na. She is fully hackable... er... 'customizable.' BUT, if you give me a free rental at Rent-A-Zilla, I'll see what I can do.
<Ah. I thought you were concerned by the stability before the signal was added>
I have worked at places where the power was so 'dirty' that the sine wave looked more like a EKG. I know buffers and filters can do a lot, but when you put enough power to power motors (Firewire drives) and monitors, there has GOT to be some signal bleed. And I doubt the cables shield the power wires enough to protect the signal.
<Shame. I liked the hawkmen>
They were ok. But the music DID rock.

Imzadi: <Hey, you were close to buying thta iBook once>
Yeah, but you talked me out of it.

Like it matters!
<Yeah...but THOSE women>
What's wrong with those women?
<There is no such thing when it comes to Monitors>
I have to disagree. I don't like having to lean back to see everything. I like sitting 18" from my monitor. And I have worked with 19" and 21" monitors. I just don't like them.

Then take out the camera man before you "Take" SMJ!
<With a human female and a gargoyle female? I dont think so...>
I was saying by cloning or magic. I mean, the last viable DNA of a humanoid died a few hundred years before the end of the story. Most people weren't berried and those that were most likely were not cryo frozen.
<Like that's ever stopped me before>
If anything, it is encouragement.
<The time it takes to build ONE battlecruiser negates the use of the word "rush". Just call it "BC's of Death".>
Which is why I build multiple star ports! It works well on the maps where the enemy can only get to you from a single bridge or on a map where you are on an island.
Stock up, use fodder to protect the bridge, then when you have the max number of cruisers, CHARGE! Take out the bases and the production areas, and if there are alot of smaller units still alive, destroy a few Battlecruisers and pump out the fodder.
<Ugh. Stoning is SOOOOO 1st century>
<<'Meth for Dummies'>>: LOL!>
http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=42
KNOWL3DG3 IS POW3R!

Mooncat: <would you say that the city having the name Nashville is proof that it is full of women engaging in homosexual activity?>
I dunno, but that reminds me... I gotta finish that story about the roaming Nashvilling clan of female gargoyles!

Christine: <hey, the only things the Callahan's folks have to hold against me are "On the Rocks" and that admittedly heinous Yukoned Bea pun!>
With how much I know your stories, that can't be all!

Fire Storm - [<--- KNOWL3DG3 IS POW3R!]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 03:18:50 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Busy day today.

Got my fluids midterm back, and discovered that the missing half point was due to my ignoring the entrance to a pipe. I've never made that mistake before, so I'm justified in smacking myself for stupidity.

Then off to a meeting with my materials GSI to go over the homework...thank god for GSI's that will pretty much tell you how to do the problems if you just ask them.

Then I got to hand in my LAST stat assignment of the semester. I love that feeling...its almost like being done but not quite (that whole "final" thing).

Then a math quiz, much easier than I was expecting it to be.

And then lots of work. I've actually managed to get a lot done today...which is a very good thing (TM).

I went to a UCBMUG meeting (that's UC Berkeley Mac User Group) and we planned out a bunch of stuff for the coming semester. Scored a new iPod poster. I actually got to play with the little MP3 player, and while it is hands-down the coolest geek toy I've ever seen, I resolved to not buy one since I have a perfectly good CD player and can't justify the $400.

What I really need is a gadget that does engineering problems for me.

Don't even talk to me about DC problems. My power's been flickering on and off all night. Thank goodness I have a UPS, which gives me two HOURS of annoying beeping to save my work and shut down. Unfortunately, the airport isn't plugged into it, so when the power goes, so does my net connection.

replies!

Lynati: <<the Jewish people ate children>>: Only some of us.

The Wizard: <<in what language are you saying penne means the male anatomy?>>: My parents say Italian. But I guess you'd know better than they would. <<there are plenty of other words in the language that mean that>>: Gee, I'm shocked that the italians would have so many words for c*ck. Note: in "Dictionary of Sex", "Italian Culture" is defined as anal sex. Don't ask, I don't know.

Jan: <<I'm sure that you have displeased your parents at times and yet they still love you, right?>>: Yes, but they generally don't smite me when I misbehave. Or rain fire. If they did, I'd make them teach me that trick. <<There are cases that the only "proof" that they have is by word of mouth and passed on thru the generations>>: Yes, but anything that we don't have physical proof of is often later proved to be slightly incorrect. That is, the story became embellished and tainted with time. I think its fair to assume that some of this happened between the events of the bible and its writting. <<Same difference, no? My point was that the city of Sodom is associated with sodomy because of the activity there>>: Well that may be true, but that isn't what you suggested. You suggested that the city was named after the activity. <<doesn’t really matter>>: Yeah, it does. This isn't a cyclical thing like the chicken-egg paradox. One DID come first, and it was the city. <<the Bible is very clear on homosexuality>>: Obviously not if there's so much debate about it. <<My daughter has never driven in snow or ice and was quite petrified to drive to work this morning>>: I've never driven in snow or ice either...and I never will. LA ROCKS! <<For all of the engineer students>>: That would be funnier if we weren't making that much fresh out of MIT ;-)

Kathy: <<if she accepts that he has the ability to change>>: But that's just him. And it was produced by that chip in his head, which most vamps don't have. And without the chip, he wouldn't have bothered. Personally, if I were a vampire, I'd stick to pig's blood. Humans...fight back. <<it's going to rock her world in a big way>>: But probably not the same way that spike intends to... <<she'd have a really tough time dealing in Angel's Los Angeles where the demons tend to be judged on their individual actions>>: I've never seen Buffy go hunting demons for no reason, she generally only attacks them when they do something bad. Vamps, on the other hand, are ALL evil, with the exception of one that has a soul and one that has a chip in his head. Not very good odds, is it? <<Buffy didn't trust herself to the extent that she had to make her bedroom vampire unfriendly? Or did she think if he showed up at her window (a'la Angel) she wouldn't be able to resist inviting him in?>>: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...and I'll say that its easier to prevent contact in the first place than to have to say no at a critical moment. <<she's controlled the physical aspects of their relationship>>: I think Spike's afraid of the fact that she can kill him. <<a new fic is in the works>>: Woo hoo!

Metaldemon: <>: Well, I have other reasons for believing that we shouldn't be cloning humans, but we've clearly proven that we CAN, so you can't debate whether or not we have the ability to. <<Scientists who want to do human cloning want the fame>>: Nah. If fame was all they were after, they'd have done it already. <<n fact, he knows what exactly what will happen. We just never listen>>: Yes, but my point was that god, in his omniscience, must have known that we would do that. And if it displeases him, then why does he bother? Yeah, I might be powerless to stop that guy from repeatedly ramming into walls, but God is omnipotent. If it displeases him, he can put a stop to it. <<Why is wanton destruction forbidden?>>: Because its fun. Religion always likes to stop me from having fun. <<Surely this "free" country would allow for homosexuality, right?>>: You're talking about the same free country that had separate fountains for black people, or concentration camps for japanese-americans. <<what idiot would choose to be hated by society, by their families, by friends, by poeple they don't even know, and, most of all, *deliberatley* choose to disobey their God>>: Atheists ;-) <<No one is naturally born an alchoholic>>: Well, technically, you are an alcoholic as long as you have the genetic prediliction for addiction to alcohol. Whether or not you've ever had a drink. <<

Mooncat: <<a word by word translation of Hebrew>>: I hope you realize that is impossible. Many words in hebrew have multiple meanings depending on context, so no translation can be perfect. <<There is no spoon>>: I have a tray full of silverware that begs to differ. <Just Amy and some nice thick leather bound... books>>: Oh, you're no fun! ;-) <<But then I don't think she's quite good enough for my delicious Spike>>: Gah! Buffy's HOT. <>: I hope I get to have her once. Someday. <<Elisa is about to nashville with Demona>>: Greaaaat.

Nukes: <<good luck with school>>: Thanks, I need it. <<it sounds like you got your work cut out for you>>: You have no idea. And neither does any other non-engineer, apparently. <<how was that math lecture?>>: It sucked, like all math lectures before it. I used to love math...then I got to college.

Sorow: <<It is freaking cold down here!>>: Yeah well you probably have heat in your dorms. My bastard landlady won't turn on the heat!

Patrick: <<now there is an image to ponder>>: What does God read when he's on the crapper?

Gunjack: <<an actual OBJECTIVE METHOD>>: Truly objective? I don't believe such a thing exists. As an engineer, I can twist results that are gained by scientific analysis to yield any "truths" that I want. I put a lot of faith into the scientific method, but I don't think its any more objective than looking at the bible through the eyes of a Christian. It's just biased the other way. <>: So because YOU haven't seen it means it doesn't exist? It might not be published yet. It might not be a matter of public record. You've never seen the bottom of the pacific ocean, does THAT exist? <<it WOULD in fact debunk most of the biblical objections to homosexuality>>: Unless you don't believe the research. <<If he changes his mind, then his commands are no longer absolute, or else that he's a capricious deity no different from, say, Zeus>>: Good point. So what do you say to all the people that say that god is softer and gentler now? (explain please why I haven't been smitten yet). <<Let it stand or fall on its content>>: Well therein lies the problem. I'm sure you know about reliable and unreliable narrators from English classes, and quite frankly I don't think that the authors of the bible (or whomever copied it after listening to God blab on and on - wow talk about a long dictation!) are reliable narrators. Hell, I know if I was writting a history of my life I'd downplay the minor bad stuff, make the really bad stuff seem even worse to show my amazing recovery, and play up the good stuff. And so would anyone else. <<I'll go back to wishing I was sleeping next to my fiance>>: Another one bites the dust... <<You stated that homosexuality is genetic. For proof, you cited the AMA's statement that homosexuality is genetic>>: How about this as proof: No gay kid wants to be gay when they're in high school. They get teased, tortured, tormented. All the gay kids I knew wished they were straight. If homosexuality were a choice, wouldn't that have fixed things for them?

Xctasy: <>: Wow! And you didn't even ask about TGS!

DPH: <<Since Imzadi received that email, he must be my slave. Imzadi, now you know the rest of the reason I sent you that email>>: Bad news dude. By your logic, I'm also GOD! As well as perfect. In fact, I'm everything but "mike" ;-) <<is bad eyesight genetic? Prove it!>>: Well, I don't have it, but both my parents do. And all of their parents do.

Christine: <<turned to rain in Seattle>>: Rain!? In Seattle!? You don't say! <<that wasn't going to be quite the point>>: Ah, phooey. <<all sorts of good smut in there>>: I want it banned for being pornographic! All god-fearing christians must rise against this terrible book!

Sevarius Jr: <<But that number is sure dwindling off>>: I resent that remark! <<geek second coming.>>: I don't think I want to hear about geek coming. A first time or a second time. <<who got hitched over the weekend>>: To whom? <<I'm preparing for my LSATs this Saturday. So that I can finally realize my true evil potential>>: Good luck dude! Let me know how they go!

It's below absolute zero, but the Microsoft software still isn't solid -Dav Holle
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, November 29, 2001 02:45:36 AM
IP: 66.125.228.54

Yeah, and so I gave her the ol' Roman War Helmet, but she wasn't too thrilled with it, so she asked me for a Cleveland Steamer. So, being the good sport that I am, I -

Oh wait. This ISN'T the Adult CR?

Could have fooled me.

No, wait, I'm wrong. This can't be the Adult CR, there are still some actual intelligent people who occasionally post in here. But that number is sure dwindling off.

Update: The first reviews of Lord of the Rings Episode 1: "George Lucas is a Douche Bag for Creating Such Gay Titles, but he can't help it because Homosexuality is genetic, oh wait it's not, oh wait it is, who really cares, I know I don't, because homosexuality bores me unless you're talking about lesbianism, but no matter what your sexual affiliation, gay, straight or JackaL, you can all agree that Jar Jar was just a very bad mistake, aka The Fellowship of the Ring" are in. And guess what?
It's the geek second coming.
Wow, a big-budget fantasy film this year that won't include annoying cartoon characters meant to sell Happy Meals. I don't know what to do. I know! I'll go see it a billion times, just to make Pete Jackson the new geek god.

In Incredible Hulk news, the Ang Lee directed film will star uberbabe Jennifer Connelly as Betsy Ross, the object of the Hulk's affection. This almost makes up for the fact that they're totally butchering the film by totally rewriting the character and his origin.

Oh, and congrats to David Boreanaz, aka Angel, who got hitched over the weekend. Say goodbye to your freedom....er, I mean, say hello to a long-lasting relationship!

SOROW: <<We may get snow this week so that's really exciting for us Texans. I've been studying my butt off so hopefully it'll all pay off in the next two weeks.>> This sounds sort of like that Simpsons episode where Bart prays for snow to study for his test.
Anyway, good luck!

And speaking of studying....that's the reason I've been AWOL lately. I'm preparing for my LSATs this Saturday. So that I can finally realize my true evil potential!!!!

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:43:15 AM
IP: 66.44.90.156

It snowed last night! Turned to rain in Seattle and Everett but stayed snow in between so it turned my 1/2 hour commute home into a full hour this morning. Ugh. It's all melted now but by the temperature (or lack thereof), I won't be surprised to see more tonight.

Jan > wow, we could go on the lecture circuit. The "Shut Up and Deal With It" series of inservice trainings, books, and videos. Probably be pretty popular.

Josh > good guess, but that wasn't going to be quite the point of my editor letter this time around ; )

Fire Storm > hey, the only things the Callahan's folks have to hold against me are "On the Rocks" and that admittedly heinous Yukoned Bea pun!

Bible stuff > and here I'd just been thinking the whole business with Lot offering to throw his virgin daughters to the mob, and the other story about the man who threw his concubine to another mob (and God sure didn't spare her; they left her dead on the doorstep and her master hacked her into chunks and mailed the pieces all over the land to protest this awful crime that was all his fault anyway), was basically because of the attitude that women were chattel or harlots (or both, hey hey! <g>). My research just comes from looking up naughty stuff in the Bible to include in a chapter of GURPS Sex ... all sorts of good smut in there.

Ooh! Obi-Wan on the Tonight Show ... later!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:01:52 AM
IP: 64.24.35.126

**warning: DC dies AGAIN**
Computer, do a DNA scan of DC and alert me when you are completed..
"Acknowledged," replied the computer. A few minutes later, the computer said, "DNA scan complete."
Upload the DNA sequence to the nanite weaponary.
"Acknowledged and completed," replies the computer.
Launch the prepared nanite weaponary against DC and alert me when they are sufficient number inside DC to destroy his body.
"Acknowledged," said the computer. A few minutes later, the computer says, "Nanites ready to explode upon command."
This is for disconnecting from yahoo groups last night and causing the trouble I have dealt with today connecting with yahoo. Destroy DC NOW!
With that, DC explodes from the inside.
**end DC death**

Yep, I got disconnected from yahoo groups last night. I tried to log back in so I check a few groups, but I couldn't. I figured I was typing the password in wrong so I had yahoo change the password. By the way, the same password I use for yahoo groups is the same password I use to check yahoo mail. I realized I needed to check to find what where the new password. Well, I couldn't get in to look it up without entering the new password.

Yes, I managed to find the new password, but not before asking them to send a new password to a different email address.

Imzadi is DPH's slave. Yep, that's right. How do I know? The last email I sent to Imzadi was sent to "dph's_slave" @kicktothenuts.com . Since Imzadi received that email, he must be my slave. Imzadi, now you know the rest of the reason I sent you that email.

Dumb question: is bad eyesight genetic? Prove it!!

I do know something about cat genetics, based on observation: the code that determines the color of the cat's tail is different than the code that determines the color of the rest of the cat. How do I know? A completely white cat gives birth to a black, gray with some white spots mother. That mother gives birth to a white cat with a black and gray tail.

I also believe that there is a genetic factor which makes it easier to become addicted to drugs. I researched that for a psychology class.

It's been raining all day. :-( I wanted to go for a walk.

We do have a community where most people get along with each other most of the time.

Biblical laws: I prefer to go back to the two laws from which all other laws are deprived: Love the lord your god with all your heart, soul, might, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. Within these two laws, I can justify almost all the rest of the laws. So forget the contradictory laws and go back to the two basic laws.

Jan - good joke about the Taliban.

Thanks for the information, Terkky.

9-5+4=0
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:54:54 PM
IP: 204.94.193.42

Gunjack> Ah, ah ,aaaah! I never said the AMA proved that homosexuality was genetic. I said the AMA and countless other psychological and psychiatric organizations banned the psychological theory of homosexuality; that homosexuality can be corrected and treated; and I went on to say that the only psychologists who believe that theory are Christian psychologists.
Plus, why would this be a politcal motive on the AMAs part. Surely this "free" country would allow for homosexuality, right? I mean no one is imposing their moral standards on everyone else, right? So, there should be no need for them to make a politcal claim on homosexuality, since our country believes in freedom without anyone elses moral standard being made law, right?
Abortion is another reasoning altogether. If life doesn't begin at conception, then women would technically have the right for abortion. If life does begin at conception (which I believe, personally), then no woman should have the right for abortion. But then again, we give our government the right to kill "purely evil" crinimals, since our government is "purely good." So what gives our government the right to tell a woman, "You're taking a life" when the government itself turns right back around and takes the life of a criminal. Compassionate country my a$$.
But I digress on a differant issue altogether.
I won't lie to you. I can neither name nor recall the instances on where I have read that homosexuality is genetic. I have two gay cousins (one dead, the other a hair stylist) both from my dad's side of the family. It bears some evidence that it's in the family. Plus, what idiot would choose to be hated by society, by their families, by friends, by poeple they don't even know, and, most of all, *deliberatley* choose to disobey their God.
Yeah, poeple sin here and there, but none of it is hard-grained built in to your genes. Well how about alchoholism? The potentiality for becoming easily addicted to alchohol is in the genes. No one is naturally born an alchoholic.
Think of it like this. Let's say for some absurd reason, it's a sin to have blue hair. Well, your parents see blue hair growing, so they dye it brown, just like the majority (or whatever the color is). Well, one day, as you're proudly walking along with your hair, you look in the mirror and see blue roots. Hey, nothing wrong with that. THen you see someone get killed because they openly haad bleu hair. Then you read the Bible, which says it's wrong to have blue hair. So you feak out and dye it brown. What do you do? Keep on lying to yourself? Keep on lying to everyone? You've had enough. So you let your grow blue, because your hair is NOT brown, it is blue. Then everyone starts saying, "Well, you need to get that fixed. Surely we can treat that." No luck. It's blue and will always be blue.
Yeah, it's pretty stupid. But, oh well.
<<You, I like>> *blushes* thank you. ^_^
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:37:50 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Jan -- <<Same difference, no? My point was that the city of Sodom is associated with sodomy because of the activity there.>>

Same difference? No. Sodom is associated with the act called sodomy because of the part of the bible that is (mis)translated as saying the men of Sodom *all* showed up to have sex with the Angels staying at Lot's house.

Saying that the word sodomy means anal sex is proof that Sodom was full of this kind of sex act is false logic. The word came from the reputation, the reputation came from the mis(interpetation) of that one specific passage.

If Nashville had the reputation of being full of homosexual women, based on the (mis)translation of a book which said, for example, "all the woman of Nashville came out to XXXX with the female visitor." With the word XXXX could mean to sing with or to have sex with-- and the new word for female gay sex based on this reputation was now nashvilling, would you say that the city having the name Nashville is proof that it is full of women engaging in homosexual activity?

See what I mean?

okay, gotta get back to writing *^_^* Elisa is about to nashville with Demona and I have to finish the scene so I can tie up the first book of my Immortal Blood series and then get started on my other stories.

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:22:16 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Patrick and Josh> << : I believe the term "sodomy" derived from the name of the city Sodom after the fact, based upon the same issues with translation which Mooncat is arguing in refute of... not the other way around>> Same difference, no? My point was that the city of Sodom is associated with sodomy because of the activity there. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? ;) doesn’t really matter – as long as there’s eggs for breakfast and fried chicken for supper!

Mooncat> << But I wasn't taking "one" scripture, nor was I justifying anything.>> I know hon, I wasn’t accusing you of doing that, it was just a general statement in reference to not reading the entire passage for the complete context of something. My apologies – I didn’t mean to imply that you were doing this.
Actually, I’ve enjoyed discussing this with you – it’s been kept level and even tempered
: )
<< ways towards homosexuals based on their (mis)interpetation of the bible>> I don’t think that there’s a large majority of people who base their opinion of homosexuality based on just what is written in the Bible. Besides, it’s not a misinterpretation – the Bible is very clear on homosexuality. ; )
<< I'm getting the NIV interlinear Hebrew/English Bible, which does a word by word translation of Hebrew (the original) and the English, with annotations as to the meanings of Hebrew. I prefer to get as close and accurate a translation for purposes of research>> That should be a very awesome Bible! My mother has a Dake bible and it’s been remarkable in the research info. It took the author over 100,000 hours in 43 years to do the research. It has Hebrew definitions in it too, but not exclusively. The Bible text is King James Version. I prefer using something like the Living Bible version because it’s easier to understand. I have used comparisons with the KJ version and haven’t found any significant difference in interpretation – it’s just easier to understand which makes the reading go faster and smoother.

Gunjack> << And to the rest of you: who ever said I was back!?>> ummm ok. *retracts the Welcome* *shrugs*

Josh> << .>>: I am quite certain this proves last week's rant ;-)>> it was his fault. He is the one who insisted on having the host computer for the networking and he’s the one who changed out the hub to a different computer. ; ) He was forewarned. Hehe
<<… have against incense!? It smells good!>> LMAO! Good one!

Gside> << Just go to http://www.adventurers-comic.com/ and look in the archives.>> *wolf whistles* aren’t you a cutie!?!! =)

GregB> << The devil smiled and said, "OK, Monica, you're free to go.">> LMAO!!

Sorrow> snow is such a novelty in mid and southern Texas, huh? *L* The main problem is that people are not accustomed to driving in it… made for some creative defensive driving ;) My daughter has never driven in snow or ice and was quite petrified to drive to work this morning. (We had ice and a bit of snow this morning) It’s been at least 15 years since I have, so I have to refresh my driving skills.
At least 3 more months of this… ick.

Xctasy Dincht << Um, Hello, I never posted here before. So ,I'm gonna to make this short and sweet *ahems*>> *wipes brow* thank goodness, I was afraid you were going to ask when the next TGS episodes would be out… ;)
I’m not an RPG’er but I’ll pass the word along! Have you tried Miniclan.org? A lot of people in there do role plays.

For all of the engineer students….

Reaching the end of a job interview, the Human
Resources Person asked a young engineer who was fresh out of MIT, "What starting salary were you thinking about?" The Engineer said,"In the neighborhood of $125,000 a year, depending on the benefits package." The interviewer said, "Well, what would you say to a package of 5 weeks vacation, 14 paid holidays, full medical and dental, company matching retirement fund to 50% of salary, and a company car leased every 2 years - say, a red Corvette?" The Engineer sat up straight and said, "Wow! Are you kidding?" The interviewer replied, "Yeah, but you started it."
Jan - [janmiller@mo-net.com]
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 08:55:41 PM
IP: 12.110.236.34

Um, Hello, I never posted here before. So ,I'm gonna to make this short and sweet *ahems*

Um, , if nayone here likes a Gargoyle rpg's please click on my name. It leads to a sweet Gargoyle Rpg with an already engrossing storyline. Nu,t the only problem we have a lack of charcters, I.E peopel to play the wyvern clan. So, if oyu have the time and would like to play. Um, Click on my name and enjoy. ;)
Xctasy Dincht - [N/A]
N/A, N/A, N/A
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 08:05:16 PM
IP: 24.189.100.203

Metaldemon - I REALLY like you.
<<So, because of their stance on where life begins, this means that I must not give them credit for everything else they've said?>> Nope. My point is twofold: first, that the AMA's credibility on politically-charged issues is questionable, and second to point out that they failed to supply concrete evidence to back up their claims. Without evidence or even credibility, their opinion is completely irrelevent.
You stated that homosexuality is genetic. For proof, you cited the AMA's statement that homosexuality is genetic. In effect, this is no different than "because the bible tells me so".

But of course, there IS evidence out there, right? Or else the AMA would never have decided like they did... And given the number of interested parties in this room, such conclusive research shouldn't take long to surface, should it? 'Cause we ALL know that scientists would NEVER make a politically-charged claim that they couldn't back up with hard evidence...

And to the rest of you: who ever said I was back!?
*sinks back into the shadows from whence he came*
Gunjack "Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance" Valentine
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 06:50:19 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Gunjack> <<The American Medical Association also seems to hold that Life only begins at birth...>>
So, because of their stance on where life begins, this means that I must not give them credit for everything else they've said? So all the research they've on AIDS and Cancer should be thrown out the window since they believe life begins at birth? Got yeah. ^_^
As far as the riddle....It's entirley impossible to purely objective when deiciding what is holy and what isn't. Christians seem to think that they can disrgard certain "customary" laws. I talked to one of my religiously Jewish friends (meaning he's not of the Jewish race), and he said Jews consider ALL the laws moral laws. There's no such thing as custome to them. God gave no qualifier as to what is a moral law. If you can't tell, I am playing devil's advocate.
Like I said, then method I use is: why is this said? I try to objectively trace what would happen if such-and-such law is disregarded. For example, my reasoning behind why fornication is prohibited. Why is wanton destruction forbidden? Because it is a waste of what God has given us and of God's property. Everything around us is to be used wisely. Why is hunting for sport not looked upon too kindly? Because it is a waste of life. Making an animal into a trophy is no excuse for the death of one of God's creation. Hunting for food is OK, but not for sport.
Then Jesus himself dispelled the dietary laws and death punishments. Then goes on to say, later on, "And if anyone hears my words but does not observe them, I do not condemn him, for I did not come to condemn the world, but to save the world. Whoever rejects me and does not accept my words has something to judge him...." (John 12:47-50).
I do not try force my method of interpretation on others, nor do I say it should be used. It's mine and I use it.
Science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God, nor can it explain miracles. I am reminded of a book I glanced through where a team of experts went down to investing the shroud of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The shroud tested to be be the exact age it should be, some 300 years old or around there, yet the image of Mary had NOT deteriated. Her eyes are perfectly aligned, a feat which no human ever did. And when they took some sort of pictures (I think heat vision [infared?] or whatever it is called) and unnatural aura surrounded the image. No explanation could be given about how these things occured.
In fact, some of the team converted. I can't find the book on amazon; though I did buy it when I was seventeen.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 05:26:48 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Jan: I believe the term "sodomy" derived from the name of the city Sodom after the fact, based upon the same issues with translation which Mooncat is arguing in refute of... not the other way around. Just like the word "spartan" derived later from the city of Sparta.

Kathy: >>Anyway, winter hiatus begins. Which is a minor league plus if you're a Madame Destine fan, because a new fic is in the works and at least one half of that writing team works better without the distration of Naked Spike.<<

Let me just add that the other half of that writing team never suffered from said addiction to begin with. ;)
Mooncat: God out sitting on the toilet... now there is an image to ponder. Gotta find myself a copy of that "Living Bible" translation.

Gunjack: Except four or six cells isn't even technically an embryo yet. At that point of development, anything is possible... it can become one baby, divide into seperate cell groups and become two, three, four... or it can stop growing altogether like those ones in the experiment did and not even become a pregnancy. So is a mass of cloned, undiferentiated stem cells a new human life, or is it just spare parts? I guess that's the debate medical science will have to decide.
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 04:11:55 PM
IP: 66.72.207.118

Hey all. It is freaking cold down here! We may get snow this week so that's really exciting for us Texans. I've been studying my butt off so hopefully it'll all pay off in the next two weeks.
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 04:09:26 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Gunjack- Welcome back, buddy.

Josh- good luck with school, it sounds like you got your work cut out for you. btw, how was that math lecture? math is the f!cking worst. :(

real post later, now i have to read.
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 03:13:29 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

DPH> << Will someone on TGS staff pass the word on let the pending member "alternate_dph" join the tgs staff yahoo groups because that is me? >> Weird. I must have just checked the pending members right before you tried to subscribe the alternate addy. Anyway, got you covered.

You know, I got enough sleep, but I've been up since 5 and didn't feel fully awake til 1 p.m. today. This does not bode well for when I get some "real" work to do...
Mandolin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 02:45:26 PM
IP: 199.173.225.21

I made it.
lyn
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 01:03:20 PM
IP: 207.220.96.151

Buffy spoilers --

Mmm... What Kathy said. I didn't like the whole hit the audience over the head with magic = crack analogy. I think if they'd done a more subtle job it would have been a better story. Maybe have Amy seducing Willow into using more and more "dark magic" because the regular spells were losing their "rush" until finally Willow is deliberately calling up hell beasts (and then banishing them) just for the associated rush using the dark magic brings... then have one slip from her grasp and do the whole 'almost kill Dawn' thing, maybe because Willow over exhausted herself magically. I don't think they needed this whole Rack/Raff/Wrack??? character at all. Just Amy and some nice thick leather bound... books. *^_~*

Plus points for me... Spike!!! woo hoo!!! Anything that lets us have lovely naked shots of my favorite platinum haired vamp is a winner for me! *takes up the chant...* Naked Spike! Naked Spike! Naked Spike!

I will be so devastated if Buffy never tumbles him again. But then I don't think she's quite good enough for my delicious Spike. When Buffy is bitchy it's in a not fun way. But since he's so besotted, I hope he gets to have her a few more times before they break up. No I have no illusions they will remain a couple, but I am ecstatic that we Spike fans have gotten as much as we have this season.

Mmm... Spike...

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:37:36 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Jan -- <<You can take just about any type of behavior or desire and adapt at least one scripture to justify it. However, the scripture would/could have been taken out of
context. >>

But I wasn't taking "one" scripture, nor was I justifying anything. I was debunking the theory that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality. I left things in context, overquoting in fact, to show the context of the reference statements/scriptures. Frankly, as I'm not a Christian I don't need to justify anything via the Bible. But since so many people follow it and act in a hostile, even murderous ways towards homosexuals based on their (mis)interpetation of the bible, I thought I'd throw in my own knowledge of the subject.

I like to keep my information as accurate as possible in cases of translation. Which is why I'm getting the NIV interlinear Hebrew/English Bible, which does a word by word translation of Hebrew (the original) and the English, with annotations as to the meanings of Hebrew. I prefer to get as close and accurate a translation for purposes of research, than some would for non-scholarly purposes.

But then, I also collect and cross-reference all sorts of mythology. *^_^* Norse, Greek/Roman, Egyptian, African, Australian, Chinese, etc... I love this stuff. I was researching supernatural and mythos based lore since I was seven. It was and remains my passion.

GunJack <<Bull. many belief systems are mutually exclusive; ie naturalism and theism, or even monotheism and polytheism. By definition, they CAN'T all be true. If you disagree, then explain how the rival claims of naturalism ("the natural world is all there is; consciousness becomes extinct at death, there is no supernatural") can mix with, say, New Age beliefs in reincarnation. >>

Like I said, open to interpretation *^_^* -- I was mainly thinking of religious/mythic systems, but for Naturalism and New Age, I think they are equally true, as parts of a greater whole. If you think of the sum of Regligion/BeliefSystem as an elephant, each sect sees a different part, and believes it to to be the "true" shape and form of an elephant, one sees the tail and think's it's skinny and long, another sees the trunk and thinks it's fat and long, and yet another sees the legs and thinks it's massive and stumpy, and some sees the gut and thinks it's just big, and has kind of pebbly grey skin... But the individual parts while correct in their instances are not the end all be all of the whole elephant. So yeah, I still believe there is truth in all religions, but also they are connected and part of a greater, non-exclusive whole.

I also think belief (both quantity and quality) impinges on what we consider reality. There is no spoon.

Well, back to the fan fic writing for me *^_^*

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:09:57 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

josh> Even without a soul, science is still unable to answer the ontological question; it can only answer the ontic, and insufficiently at that. And I see no right or ability to clone a human being until science can answer the ontological question.
Scientists who want to do human cloning want the fame, at least the way I see it.
Massochist question> You ever see something happen, and after it happened you muttered yourself, "I knew that was going happen!"
Or let's say you see someone walking and reading a book at the same time, and there's a wall in front of them. Despite the fact that you've told this person countelss times, "Hey if you keep doing that, you're gonna kill yourself." WHAP! He hits that wall. You tried to tell him, but he never listened. He had to learn by himself.
Think of it like that with God. He's told us so many times, "Hey, don't do that." In fact, He's told us what will happen if we keep doing what we do; in fact, he knows what exactly what will happen. We just never listen.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:38:34 AM
IP: 129.120.255.222

**IMPORTANT**
I have been locked out of accessing Yahoo temporarily.

Will someone on TGS staff pass the word on let the pending member "alternate_dph" join the tgs staff yahoo groups because that is me?

I'm in a temporary bind until yahoo solves my problem.
**END IMPORTANT**
DPH
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:20:50 AM
IP: 204.94.193.27

Uh, theology... pass. I gave that up when my favorite minister ran off with the church organist. (Hey, I was young and impressionable. It was a trauma.)

Now for something completely different.

*** Buffy Spoilers***

I finally figured out what bugged me so much about last night's Willow as a heroin user storyline. The set up was just wrong. If Amy had said. "Look, Willow, turning people into dancing sheep is fun and all, but wait until you get a real taste of pure magic." I could have potentially bought the "House of Crack'd Spells". As it was, it felt like one of those "We need to make sure the audience gets the analogy moments". Which I think we did. The fact that Willow couldn't go five minutes after promising Tara that she'd lay off the spell casting for an entire week (Easy!) was the big clue.

And as for the Buffy/Spike interaction. I'm still annoyed at Buffy in a big way. I realize that if she changes her perceptions of Spike, if she accepts that he has the ability to change, it's going to rock her world in a big way... what does that make her? Judge, jury and executioner of all vampire kind? Makes me think she'd have a really tough time dealing in Angel's Los Angeles where the demons tend to be judged on their individual actions.

Anyway, I digress. The denial is just getting old. Give in, Buffy. Wake up. Accept. Whatever. Just do it.

Funny moments. Buffy is so afraid of what she might do that she tosses candles at Spike rather than get within ten feet of his bed. And what was up with all the garlic and crosses at the end, anyway? Was Spike still in the house watching after Dawn and Buffy didn't trust herself to the extent that she had to make her bedroom vampire unfriendly? Or did she think if he showed up at her window (a'la Angel) she wouldn't be able to resist inviting him in?

I got the distinct impression that Spike was perfectly willing to wait for Buffy to make the next move. Just like he has been for the last little while. Yeah, he wants to talk about what's happening between them, but she's controlled the physical aspects of their relationship.

Anyway, winter hiatus begins. Which is a minor league plus if you're a Madame Destine fan, because a new fic is in the works and at least one half of that writing team works better without the distration of Naked Spike.

Cheers,

kathy
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 09:48:02 AM
IP: 24.98.56.86

Mooncat> *L* I must admit that the Living Bible version is a bit more "entertaining" than the KJ version in some incidents. The LB is written to make it easier to understand the Bible and is put into more laymen terms. It does not take away the meaning of anything, though.
As far as the scripture that you quoted... for one thing, it's necessary to read before and after a particular scripture so that you understand the content of what has been written. In this particular passage, what was said was because Elijah was mocking those who were sacrificing to their own gods and not to _the_ God. He scoffed at them and asked where their god was and why hadn't he appeared before them - "where is he? maybe he's out, maybe he's on the toilet?" that type of scoffing.
You can take just about any type of behavior or desire and adapt at least one scripture to justify it. However, the scripture would/could have been taken out of context.

Josh> I don't have time for cut and paste of your posts to respond to, so I'm going to do it off the top of my head...
God loves everyone. Period. He does not condone certain behaviors, but He still loves. Just as a parent loves their child. I'm sure that you have displeased your parents at times and yet they still love you, right? The same principle applies here. There's a saying,"hate the sin, love the sinner" that Christians should follow. God is not a massochist. However, He has high expectations and is pleased when we follow His word. Think of it as in terms as parents/children. God is our spiritual father and we are His children. Do we have children of our own because we're all massochists? nope. Our own children are going to do things that are displeasing and disappointing to us (parents) but that does not make us (parents) massochists. We teach our children what we feel is best and if they stray from that, we are displeased. But, bottom line, they have their own free will to make whatever choices they decide.

Gunjack> Welcome back!

Lyanti> true, there are some things that are written that are just plain stupid - such as the Jews eating their children. However, there comes a point when you must either believe or disbelieve what is written and considered to be history. The same could and does apply to the basic history books found at school. Did a lot of what they've written actually happen? Do you believe that it happened? why? There are cases that the only "proof" that they have is by word of mouth and passed on thru the generations. So how do we determine what is true and what is not? By faith, usually.
I'll trust what the books say over what some professor says *nods* A lot of profs are wackos and are not all that respected for their "knowledge" outside of their realm of teaching expertise. ;)
Once again, your art is remarkable! Scan more pictures!! =)

Now I must be going... there's this white stuff all over my car... as I recall, it's snow. *chuckles* This is not a good thing, thankyouverymuch.
Jan
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 08:20:18 AM
IP: 12.110.236.11

** Niamhgold enters briefly **

Imzadi: Wait, in what language are you saying penne means the male anatomy? Because, unless it's dialectic, it has no meaning like that in Italian (but there are plenty of other words in the language that mean that ;)) Unless you're referring to the Spanish pene, but I think the Spanish had little to do with the pasta ;)

Adios!
Niamhgold
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 08:19:12 AM
IP: 206.41.204.140

*In*

...wow. here I was about to comment on having just beaten my old record (45 hours)and wouldn't ya know it? I must have fallen asleep and am dreaming afterall, if gunjack valentine is talkign to me again.
...And some German propaganda in the 1940's specifically stated that the Jewish people ate children. Just because it is written doesn't make it true.

anyway. soup is good. now that I have my mug, I will go make soup and eat it. I have 3 things left to do, and about 5 hours to do them. but I keep seeing the imprint of screens of chicken wire everywhere I look.
I will seee ya'all at the next waking. peace out.

*leaves through the curtains*
grogged out an' spinning Lynati Kshudra
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 06:30:29 AM
IP: 207.220.96.175

More work, as usual. And still frikkin' freezing, Mr. Bigglesworth (sp?)

I should not have to SLEEP in long underwear. That's just...cold.

Nearly had a crisis today when I discovered that my new AIM client didn't use privacy settings...I emailed the author and he already had a new version ready for download that fixed the problem. That was cool.

Managed to get a little bit of work done today.

Mandolin: <<It's getting fairly frustrating for staffers, mainly because we're as frustrated with our progress as our readers are>>: I don't think we're frustrated at all...just curious ;-)

FS: <<his new Mac>>: Hey, you were close to buying thta iBook once. <<That IS a gay name>>: I was referring to the man, not the name ;-) <<Pity on all the men who get to lick womens breasts>>: Yeah...but THOSE women. <<Diminishing returns>>: There is no such thing when it comes to Monitors. <<you would tie people up to make sure you DO get into the video>>: I don't think I want my naked body displayed for all to see...I'm a little too physically modest for that. <<Is there a chance in hell to repopulate the earth?>>: With a human female and a gargoyle female? I dont think so... <<???>>: Its a commercial...the guy driving a hearse singing "another one bites the dust..." <<Your a looney>>: Like that's ever stopped me before. <<we ARE created in his image!>>: Well, maybe I am...I dunno about the rest of you yahoos, though ;-) <<'Meth for Dummies'>>: LOL! <<Battlecuiser/Ghost rush>>: The time it takes to build ONE battlecruiser negates the use of the word "rush". Just call it "BC's of Death".

Jan: <<like Josh said, that doesn't stop all men from being able to impregnate women>>: I seriously doubt it would become a problem at all for the vast majority, in fact. <<God gave us all a free will>>: Okay so if God is all powerful, and all knowing, and if we have a free will, then god knew we would do things that displease him. Is God some sort of Massochist? <<It was just starting to get good>>: Maybe for YOU! I've no desire to be the entire side of a flame war ;-) <<my son set up a new server on a different computer - something to do with a hub and stuff like that...I know he is quite pleased with me for getting him up at 5:30am to fix the network stuff.>>: I am quite certain this proves last week's rant ;-) <<going after strange flesh.” (ref: meaning men with men, living contrary to nature, women w/women)>>: Who says that's what it means? Maybe it means incest, or bestiality, or necrophelia. <<I’m pretty sure that the reason it was called Sodom was because of the act of sodomy>>: Actually, I think it was the other way around. Its called Sodomy because of the biblical city. <<not one that I have ever seen where He condones it>>: What about the thing that says that God loves ALL his children? <>: it was a good episode. <<an officer wrote up an accident report on me saying that I ran over an elf>>: Just pray he doesn't send it to your insurance company...now THAT is a prank! <<There are
two of them>>: LOL!

Mooncat: <<the mob can have his two virgin daughters if they will just leave his guests alone, really I can't see any good connotation to that>>: What good is having kids if you can't pawn them off for something more valuable? ;-) <<incense is an abomination to me>>: What does god have against incense!? It smells good! <<Were they terminally stupid>>: Many people are. Perhaps they thought that, like Noah, they were to be the last survivors.

Note: the above statement is only funny since you all know (or rather pray) that I'm never reproducing.

Skippy: <Most unruly mobs in the Bible just wanted to stone people to death>>: Ugh. Stoning is SOOOOO 1st century.

Spacebabie: <<Next Monday will be my last day of classes>>: I wonder if it's mine too...::checks schedules:: nope. That means I hate you ;-) <<The first person voted off was Q and Bill Shatner was the second>>: I would have sent shatner off first just on principle. <The moron probably doesn’t even know who that is>: Most people don't. <<You know there is something not just right about what you typed>>: I should rephrase: I skipped lectures other than math to catch up on the math material I missed over Thanksgiving ;-)

Revel: <>: I don't think anyone should vouch for human intelligence. <>: Unfortunately, the idiot managers who hire you and the idiot bimbos that are after your wallet won't know that. To them, clothes make the man. And when you're in the business of getting paid and getting laid, that's all that matters.

The Wizard: <<I've been looking at your pics>>: Where are they? <<hopefully the last self-portrait our teaher requires>>: Except for that self nude, right? <>: Friday would be fine. <<And intuition is normally correct>>: I'm a pervert, not a porn star. <<A little competition can't hurt anyone.>>: I could when I break their legs to ensure my victory. <<So those evil villains who we just love to hate...are models of god?>>: Interesting, isn't it? <<Not into abstract thinking?>>: I'm an engineer. I don't deal in the abstract. <<In a way weird ones aren't>>: Exactly. <<Which would lead me to ask whether you're "cut", but the CR has already been in that discussion>>: I think you can guess the answer to that question from the description on my site. <<because it's close to the italian word Penna, which means feather or plumage>>: But closer to the word penne...which means penis. <<That could be...bad>>: Okay so apparently we're all have conversations that we don't want others to know about...I'd never have guess that in THIS age group ;-)

Nukes: <<your website is funny as hell>>: Thanks. <>: Its called being an engineer at the top civil engineering school on the planet. <<im ok, not great, but i will practice just to fight you>>: Me too! ;-) <<people read then discuss it here, right>>: Usually, yes. But I've noticed that people usually just include a brief review in with their regular posts...less of a "discussion".

Sevarius Jr: <<Be like me>>: Please don't say that. There are enough of us running around. But on that note, what happened to your longer posts?

Ravyn: <<If you think of a way, let me know>>: I've already thought of a way: use a mac. Seriously. PC versions of microsoft software are the ones full of holes that the FBI will exploit to get this virus onto our machines. <<True, but he's still an adorable little machiavellian fuzzball>>: My next goal: become an ADORABLE little machiavellian fuzzball. I'm already short, machiavellian, and ::rubs face:: fuzzy.

DPH: <<Think before you ask questions about upcoming stories>>: If they did that, they wouldn't have anything to post. <<We do have a nice community>>: No we don't. <<Not everybody who claims to speak for God actually speaks for God>>: No no. You misunderstood. If the bible is actually the word of god, and god is always clear and never contradicts himself, why are there so many different religions?

Greg X: <<OK, Monica, you're free to go>>: So what's bill's punishment?

Jackal: <<I'd have sex with myself>>: damn! homosexual incest. Now, if you kill your clone after mutating the genes, you could have homosexual necrophiliac bestial incest...now light the corpse on fire and...its sick.

Metaldemon: <<Greg W. has said that he has read an article on gay ducks>>: Huey dewey and louie? They always did seem a little close... <<is enough to prove homosexuality to be a natural occurance>>: I guess they'd have conclusive proof if a homosexual person had a child...but how often does that happen? <<then how can science understand on how to make a human being?>>: This is a "more than sum of its parts" argument. The fact is that you don't need to clone a soul to clone a human being. There's nothing special about being in a womb that gives us a soul.

Lynati: <<I'm going to have to do 52 awake>>: And I thought I was crazy.

Gside: <<it's New Hampshire, population -42>>: I know at least one person that lives there. Maybe 4. <<But with the second law of thermo, that just won't happen>>: Beatcha to it ;-) <<then I realized you left open the ey'll never actually get around to realizing those plans>>: Congrats! You're learning to read my pessimism! <<"All signs point to 'whatever'" and "All signs point to me not caring.">>: LOL! I want one! <<At least there's a good amount of bestiality.>>: I'm sorry...is that a plus? <<With glasses, yes. Without not a chance. Unless identifying a mostly vertical blob counts as seeing>>: How many fingers? ::holds up both hands, one overlapping the other, fingers spread out:: ;-) <<nothing would hide the indentations on my nose>>: Except not wearing glasses for a long time.

Alright, its early right now, and I'd like to sleep. Good nite.

Your soul is like an appendix. I don't even use mine. -Calso, That 70's Show
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 02:16:10 AM
IP: 64.161.26.222

Bull, damned bull, and statistical bull.

Patrick><<A little clump of four cells (six in one case) hardly seems to we worth getting worked up over.>> Unless, of course, life starts at conception. And since no one has been able to find any other clean breakpoint in the progress of maturation (Viability is highly variable, and neither it nor birth describe a real threshhold in the physical maturation of the "life"), the arguement stands. So either it's wrong when it's only four cells, or it isn't wrong when it's a healthy, full-term baby. Or even possibly a healthy toddler or preschooler. Hey, it's all increments, right?
Don't like it? Either find a good definition of where life begins, or toss all this "sanctity of life" trash.

Warpmind><<I'm not going to debunk the Bible, far from it, but I say most of what's there has to be taken with a pinch of salt.>> Alright. So. What do we take with a grain of salt, and what don't we? Specifically, what are your EXACT criteria for determining what's true and what isn't? People are always saying that the bible is "mostly good, just innacurate in parts". What I never hear them talking about is an actual OBJECTIVE METHOD for telling what's innacurate and what isn't.
Or are we practicing hunt-and-peck theology?

Mooncat><<I'm more a "all things are true" (and open to interpetation) kind of believer.>> Bull. many belief systems are mutually exclusive; ie naturalism and theism, or even monotheism and polytheism. By definition, they CAN'T all be true. If you disagree, then explain how the rival claims of naturalism ("the natural world is all there is; consciousness becomes extinct at death, there is no supernatural") can mix with, say, New Age beliefs in reincarnation.

Metaldemon><<Why? Because I believe that some of the laws make so much sense, and others not.>> You, I like. So riddle me this...
You've just declared that the ultimate test of whether or not a Biblical claim is true (taking careful note, Warps?) is whether or not it makes sense to you. So, how do you keep this processobjective, as opposed to subjective? Because many people would disagree with you condemnation of fornication, just as you disagree with my condemnation of homosexuality. Same goes for nearly any other moral principle.
<<...the psychological theory was banned by the American Medical Association and countless other psychological organizations since being gay is not a psychological "defect" or problem; only Christian psychologists believe it is a psychological problem, despite the evidence dissproving that theory...>> The American Medical Association also seems to hold that Life only begins at birth, despite the glaring logical problems with that stance. And to this day, I haven't seen the research that proved that gender orientation was genetic.
I'll say this, though: were such research to be presented, it WOULD in fact debunk most of the biblical objections to homosexuality. It would also, incidentally, probably go a long way to making me an athiest. The question then would change to "if the Bible is wrong HERE, where ELSE is it wrong?".

Jan><<God was a much harsher God in the Old Testament and His heart was softened with the birth of His Son, Jesus.>> Ain't dat sweet. Pity it was a little too late for the Amalikites, Philistines, and all those stoned blasphemers... To claim that God was "softened" by the birth of his son is, to me, basicly saying that God has changed. If he changes his mind, then his commands are no longer absolute, or else that he's a capricious deity no different from, say, Zeus. Scary thought, that.
Incidentally, there WILL be a responce coming your way.

Jackal><<As we all know today's xtian bible was retranslated from King James', back in 16whatever.>> Actually, modern translations of the bible have been translated directly from the sources available; some 5,500 sources for the new testament alone. Translation has nothing to do with middle-ages sensabilities.

Also.

Your explanation is flawed: yes, the word COULD refer to either a actual virgin or to a young, unwed woman. However, the text states that she WAS a virgin, and that she concieved through the holy spirit (check Matthew 1:20), NOT from a human man. Therefore, to claim that Mary was a virgin is NOT practicing a "pick and choose" philosophy. Whether the account is ACCURATE or not is another question entirely, but to say that the text says other than it does is plainly wrong.

Lynati><<It wasn't parted; it didn't have to be. It was only like, 4 or 6 inches deep. All the chariots got stuck; that's how all of Moses's people got away. They were on foot and not weighed down, but the wheels of the chariots sunk into the morass and the horses balked at crossing.>> ..Which would work beautifully, if not for the fact that 1) the bible specifically says that the Isrealites crossed on dry ground, and 2) it also states that the water closed over the egyptians, sweeping them into the sea and drowning them all. Quite a trick for only 3-6 inches of water.

And at about this point, things start getting repetitive. Short version: if you're going to read the bible (or any other suposedly authoritative historical account), you cannot simply throw out parts because they don't fit nicely into your worldview.you can say that you don't believe that the Bible is true because its claims are rediculous, but don't try to twist what it actually says. Let it stand or fall on its content.

PS - Yes, moonkitty, "on the toilet" IS probably an accurate version of what he said. If you want more pithy quotes, try King David's oath in 1 Samuel 25:22. I'll give you a hint; the literal translation isn't "every male".

And now if you don't mind, I'll go back to wishing I was sleeping next to my fiance.
Gunjack "sex at noon taxes" Valentine
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 02:15:11 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Christine> <<Vermadel? Okay, you win. Sounds like a villainess name!>>: Woot. Feel free to use it. I'm not even sure if she's a distant relative, friend of the family, or just someone from the area (it's New Hampshire, population -42).

Metaldemon> <<the correct cells were exchanged through alternate worlds, since our not-yet-proven "multiple worlds theory" states such can happen>>: Which multiple worlds theory allows for matter transfer?
<<even Newton himself said his laws cannot exist forever and everywhere>>: And Einstien got a good start on when, where, and how they can be applied.
<<Newton's equations that allow for events to be reversed>>: But with the second law of thermo, that just won't happen. You won't find a ball anti-falling, because the entropy decreases when you lift an object in a gravitational field.

Imzadi> <<Have you seen Mofo the Psychic Gorilla?>>: The fax/phone on a pole? Yup.
<<Probably>>: That stumped me for a second, but then I realized you left open the ey'll never actually get around to realizing those plans.
<<I'll just have to develop new ways to encrypt them>>: Zip, rot13, zip? Probably easily crackable, but do the algorigthms bother with something like that?
<<I'm sorry to hear that>>: Eh, the glasses easily take care of that. The real problem is the thinning retinas (lattice degeneration), and the danger of them ripping.
<<Wuzzat?>>: An item from Adventurers. It is based on Squall from FF8, and has responses like "All signs point to 'whatever'" and "All signs point to me not caring."
<>: I'm glad I didn't disappoint.
<<Fortunately, now that most of the important rules have been documented, someone else can tell them to me>>: I like that part, too.
<>: I once saw a picture of elevator buttons at MIT. The top one was relabeled "heaven," the bottom "MIT".
<<Too much incest in Greek Stories, that's for sure>>: At least there's a good amount of bestiality.

Fire Storm> <>: To repeat: [benki] (n) bedpan/chamber pot/urinal
<<Let me just pull out my 'Meth for Dummies' book>>: I hear you have a rouge Ping EDS over there. I'll take it off your hands.
<<it was actually the Eric Clapton version I wanted>>: I think I picked that one up, too. Oh well, Marley did it first.
<<Thats what I meant>>: Ah. I thought you were concerned by the stability before the signal was added.
<<Flash is more of a cult classic>>: Shame. I liked the hawkmen.

Spacebabie> <<are you going for the contacts or will it be the coke bottle glasses?>>: Glasses, and has been since about third grade. Though they aren't really bad. Not actually glass, so they can be thinner. You can see them in scary2.jpg in my directory.

Revel> <<CAN YOU SEE ME?>>: With glasses, yes. Without not a chance. Unless identifying a mostly vertical blob counts as seeing.

Niamhgold> <>: They're light, and if I went for contacts, nothing would hide the indentations on my nose.
<<Yaoi's better>>: It can't be. Yaoi's a genre, dojins are a form. There are many yaoi dojins, and I have witnessed far too many.
<<people with slight eyesight problems only take +/- 0.5>>: I went up by a quarter each, and kept the same prescription.
<<I'd like to see that>>: Just go to http://www.adventurers-comic.com/ and look in the archives.

Perhaps more later

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 01:38:22 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Jan -- okay, I just gotta ask. I was researching the Living Bible, and was struck by one particular "translation" of text it gave...

The King James version - (1 Kings 18:27) "Cry aloud: for He is a God: either He is talking or He is pursuing."

The Living Bible version - "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Is this accurate? It just seemed very curious and strange to me. But then I am a curious and strange girl, so I rather liked it *^_^* But it doesn't fill me with confidence with the TLB's accuracy of translation of the original bible text.

MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 01:25:29 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Hi Jan,

My source is the online Divinity Library of Vanderbilt University --

Isaiah 1:10-20

1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom! Listen to the teaching of our God, you people of Gomorrah!
1:11 What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the LORD; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.
1:12 When you come to appear before me, who asked this from your hand? Trample my courts no more;
1:13 bringing offerings is futile; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and sabbath and calling of convocation-- I cannot endure solemn assemblies with iniquity.
1:14 Your new moons and your appointed festivals my soul hates; they have become a burden to me, I am weary of bearing them.
1:15 When you stretch out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.
1:16 Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your doings from before my eyes; cease to do evil,
1:17 learn to do good; seek justice, rescue the oppressed, defend the orphan, plead for the widow.
1:18 Come now, let us argue it out, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be like snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

No mention of homosexuality here, but specific references to justice and worship of other gods.

From the King James Bible -- Ezekiel 16:48 - 50

16:48 [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
16:50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw [good].

No where does it mention the "abomination" was homosexuality. In fact see the above instance where incense burnt in honor of other gods is "abomination" so that term is used pretty often and loosely.

Strange Flesh, in Jude 1:7 nothing indicates the term was meant as an expression of homosexuality. Most likely it was a general expression of immorality and perversion. Nowhere does the context suggest this reference is an indication that this was specifying homosexual behavior.

As for the Concordance, what part of the bible is this? Sounds like a modern glossary of terms, which would be using common popular connotations and interpretations of the modern day, not actual accurate bible translations.

Basically, because modern people (mis)interpet the whole Sodom and Gomorrah story as being about homosexuality, THAT is why the term sodomite became associated with homosexuality, they didn't name the city after the act.

As for the Lot's daughters thinking they are the last humans on earth, where and why would they have gotten that idea? Two cities are destroyed and that's the entire world? Were they terminally stupid or lied to or what? Because Lot knew it was only the two cities that were going to get hit, and there are plenty of other cities in the world at this time. So I'm afraid that argument doesn't wash with me.

Yada -- go to http://www.johnhurt.com/htmlbible/kjvstrongs/STRHEB30.htm for the Strongs Hebrew Dictionary Index

As for the 13 instances where Know/Knew were used to denote sex, they were used in the conotation of such and such KNEW his wife and she concieved such and such. There was no such quaifier used in the use of yada/know in the description of the mob wanting to know Lot's guests.

So again, I dispute the theory the bible equates the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah as being based on homosexuality, and reassert that it's a bad translation and probably the prejudice of the interpeters that gave rise to the association of homosexuality being the major sin of Sodom and Gamorrah. And also I believe even in those olden days, knocking up your own daughters and sleeping with your father were not considered okay in that culture/time either. And offering one's daughters for rape/abuse by a mob wasn't a noble act, no matter how some try to paint it.

End Religious rebuttle.

Mooncat
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:56:20 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

*enters, looking...uh, rather like usual. Only, the entire back of each hand and fingers are noticeably red, even through her fur*

Well it just turned 11:30 PM here; so, I am now officially in hour 40 of my "must finish all projects for final critique ontime" marathon. I'm going to have to do 52 awake; my crit is from 10:45 am-11:30. It'll be a new record for me, if I can manage it. (I'm on break to catch up in here, and to shower and neosporin my hands up again.)

Niamhgold: <save for web> uhh...no. but I've been meaning to look into it. sculptural, in the Ceramics sense. and when I get decent pics of my other works, I'll send you a copy. I'm having some professional slides taken of my work before the art show, and I know there is some way to scan slides into a computer. the "cat" piece was done in Ebony pencil, and Kalika was in prismacolor. (ah, prismas, how do I love thee...) I would type more, but my hands hurt.

Greg B: I got to be Evil(TM) today. One of my classmates brought her cat to school, and I got to hold it during our clay & glazes class. After it was over, I moved to the swiveling chair. and, I was wearing my lab coat.
mwahaha.
...

i am very tired now.

*to shower, then back to work*
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:45:01 AM
IP: 67.202.17.42

Jan> Again, I can pull out scriptures where God does not condone eating pork, shellfish, and all sorts of other animals; I can pull scripture where God does not condone cutting hair or shaving beards; I can pull out scripture where God says that we must have Sabbticals and Jubilee years, where we must wear hats, where we must sacrifice bulls because it gives a pleasing odour to God, where we must kill those who work on the Sabbath, or kill those disobey their parents.
Practices contrary to these are never given the OK by God. And we cannot use "some one’s interpretation or twisting of the scriptures" to think other wise.
Deuteronomy 33: 46-47. "Take to heart all the warning which I have now given you...that you may carry out carefully EVERY [caps are my own] word of the law. For this is no trivial matter for you...since it is by this means that you are to enjoy a long life on the land which you will cross the Jordan to occupy."
Yeah, this is Moses speaking.
By what authority are we given to disregard the "customary" laws and not the "moral" laws. God's word is unchanging, right? Further, how can we distinguish between moral and custome, for surley both God and Moses saw ALL the laws as moral.
Abomination: something contrary to nature. On Discovery channel, I saw a programe where scientists were deep sea diving; they happened upon two octupi mating and filmed it; later, they found that the octupi were both male. Both were following their natural instincts.
So, in accordinance with the belief the contradicatary laws are man made, shouldn't the one about homosexuality be contradictory, since it is forbidden for it being an abomination. Geneticists are finding more and more evidence for homosexuality being caused in the genes; and surley the example of the octupi (and Greg W. has said that he has read an article on gay ducks) is enough to prove homosexuality to be a natural occurance.
Cloning> I have no problem as long as it's body parts for poeple who need them. However, I belive that human cloning should be outlawed. Consciousness cannot be cloned, nor can (if you believe in it) the soul. Scientists can tell us, among other things, about humans is how we work and how we are made; they cannot tell us what we are. If sciene cannot tell humans what their very essence is, then how can science understand on how to make a human being?
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:27:16 AM
IP: 24.219.166.111

I wanna clone myself!! Call me conceited, but I'd have sex with myself! We wouldn't be able to retain cum! LoL

Anyway, I wish these damn credit card approval ppl would leave me alone!!

The bible is the bomb, full of entertaining stories.....
harry potter is the bomb, full of entertaining stuff.....
science books are the bomb, full of entertaining things.

....make a point?? who me?? WTF???
Le Drerram et comgrut aka John Ashcroft aka JackaL - [hndjob@arm.com]
Nuclear powered North Korea..., all terror, all the timeWednesday, November 28, 2001 12:21:50 AM
IP: 152.163.194.207

My brother found this on an E-Board he frequents. Thought you'd all like to see it.

OSAMA BIN LADEN GOES TO HELL

One day in the future, Osama bin Laden has a heart attack and dies. He immediately goes to hell, where the devil is waiting for him.

"I don't know what to do here," says the devil. "You are on my list, but I have no room for you. You definitely have to stay here, so I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I've got a couple of folks here who weren't quite as bad as you. I'll let one of them go, but you have to take their place. I'll even let YOU decide who leaves."

Osama thought that sounded pretty good, so he agreed. The devil opened the first room; in it was Richard Nixon and a large pool of water. He kept diving in and surfacing empty handed -- over and over and over. Such was his fate in hell.

"No," bin Laden said. "I don't think so. I'm not a good swimmer and I don't think I could do that all day long."

The devil led him to the next room; in it was Tony Blair with a sledgehammer and a room full of rocks. All he did was swing that hammer, time after time after time.

"No, I've got this problem with my shoulder. I would be in constant agony if all I could do was break rocks all day," commented Osama bin Laden.

The devil opened a third door. In it, Osama saw Bill Clinton, lying on the floor with his arms staked over his head, and his legs staked in a spread eagle pose. Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky, doing what she does best.

Osama bin Laden looked at this in disbelief for a while and finally said, "Yeah, I can handle this."

The devil smiled and said, "OK, Monica, you're free to go."
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:16:28 PM
IP: 216.179.2.45

WARNING, RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION:

Mooncat> ok, I’ve done a bit of research myself and I’ve tried to confirm your version. I have used the King James, New International, and the Living Bible for my references and research. In addition, I have searched on the net.

The sins of Sodom;
<<1. according to Isaiah 1:10ff, were hypocrisy, idolatrous worship, and injustice. >>
That’s not what was said or referred to.

<<2. according to Ezekiel 16:48-50, were pride, greed, idolatry, stubborn-ness and injustice. >>
Also says: NI: “…did detestable things before me” KJ: “…committed abomination…” when referring to Sodom.

3. according to Jesus, Matt 10:11-15; 11:23,24; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:10-12; 17:26-30 were inhospitality, unbelief and unpreparedness.
Matt 11:23-24 – KJ: “…repent not as they didn’t in Sodom…” LB: “..if the marvelous miracles I did in you had been done in Sodom, it would still be here today.” LB: does make a reference to Sodom concerning their inhospitality. But this does not exclude everything else that was the reason for S & G being destroyed.
Mark 6:11 – Jesus was instructing the 12 disciples and told them that if people reject them, then God would be more tolerable of the people of S & G on Judgment day than those who reject the word.
Luke 10:10-12 is a repeat of Mark 6:11
Luke 17:26 uses Sodom as an example of how they went about their business, not suspecting of what was about to happen to them. Noah was also used as an example.
<< Looking over every other reference to Sodom, homosexuality is not even hinted at as a reason for it's destuction, but indicates that the reason Yaweh had a problem with it was that it was : >>
So, the scriptures that you used as a reference really do not state much about S & G’s sins and doesn’t disprove what you are attempting to claim about it being destroyed for other reasons.
<< So the only reason today people associate Sodom and it's being story with homosexuality is the translation of that one scene and one word, where the men of the Sodom demand to "yada" = "know"/have knowledge Lot's guests.>>
Jude 1:7 – “Even as the S & G and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh.” (ref: meaning men with men, living contrary to nature, women w/women)
Concordance:
Homosexuals – “See Sodomites”
Sodom – destroyed because of homosexuality
Sodomite – a person guilty of unnatural sexual relations as between the same sex, Hebrew word, gadesh – male homosexual prostitute
Sodomy – unnatural relationship with same sex. Homosexual, lesbian, catamite….
I’m pretty sure that the reason it was called Sodom was because of the act of sodomy.
In the 16 sins of sodomites the first on the list is homosexuality.
I have searched what I have access to and cannot find the word « yada » as you suggest. But, I’m not Hebrew nor do I have a Hebrew dictionary. The OL searches show no matches. Both the Living Bible and International versions refer to rape or have sex with the male angels. The King James Version did, as you say, refer to as “to know” them, but it makes a side reference as that meaning “homosexual”. You even said yourself that it means “sexual intercourse” 13 times – how do you know that this isn’t one of those 13?
<> You may find this odd, but it is what is written. It also goes to show just how corrupt and vile the people of S &G were and why it was to be destroyed.
<< Since by nature, only a small percent of a population has homosexual inclination (ten percent?)>> Once again, S & G was not the normal or by nature… thus the reason for destruction.
<< then Lot pops out and says the mob can have his two virgin daughters if they will just leave his guests alone, really I can't see any good connotation to that.>> You have to understand the times as well as this was an act of sacrifice in order to save the Angels of God. I think that God appreciated this gesture and was yet another reason why Lot and his family was spared.
The daughters doing what they did to their father: they thought they were the only people left on the Earth and felt as if the human race would end if they did not populate. There were no other men around, so they felt as if they had to use their father. Of course, in this day and age that’s disgusting and wrong, but once again – it was the times and the mentality of the situation then.
So I disagree that that Sodom is associated with homosexuality because of ONE scene and ONE word – it’s repeatedly referred to in the Bibles as a place where it was rampant and the cause of it’s destruction.
What references are you using for your information? =) *curious*

I don’t want anyone to think that I’m making judgments again homosexuality. I’m not. It’s not my place to make that judgment nor do I have any type of hatred for homosexuals, am homophobic, etc. What I have attempted to do is to show what the Bible says about Sodom and Gomorrah and why it was destroyed.
There are numerous references in the Bible where God condemns homosexuality and not one that I have ever seen where He condones it… and I’m talking about direct acceptance and not some one’s interpretation or twisting of the scriptures.

Naimgold> << Actually, not many of the biblical tales are>> in the Old Testament, that is somewhat true.. there were harsh times during those days. However, there are many beautiful stories with “happy endings”. :) If you are a believer in God, it’s wonderful reading about the blessings that God gave to those who followed His word.

END OF RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION

Spacebabie> <> Oooo! I watched it too! In fact, I missed Boston Public because of it =( I forgot about BP. Anyway, at least it was more interesting than the evening before when the “Classic TV” group was on… geesh, those people are stupid! I was impressed with the Star Trek group!

DPH> Gaviscon is my friend (in addition to prescription meds) for an upset stomach.

Work related: While searching for the Christmas decorations in the storage room today, I came across a shoebox full of pictures. Of course, I looked at them ; ) They were the crime scene and autopsy pictures of a murder for hire that happened here a couple of years ago. Wowzer! They had to cut open her head because that’s where she was shot. I saw pictures of her brain *gags*

I’ve been decorating the office with Christmas amongst all of the scrooges there. I have a red and gold bow on the grill of my car, so an officer wrote up an accident report on me saying that I ran over an elf. Yeah, they’re a bunch of comedians. *giggles* ;)

Our first winter storm has hit here… it’s currently raining and sleeting. Joy joy. Predictions of 3-6 inches of snow are also being given. I can hardly wait to make the journey to work tomorrow =\ I’m thinking that I need a winter home in Houston *nods*

I leave you with yet another Taliban joke ;)

A large group of Taliban soldiers are moving down a
road when they hear a voice call from behind a
sand-dune.

"One U S Special Forces soldier is better than ten
Taliban".

The Taliban commander quickly sends 10 of his best
soldiers over the dune whereupon a gun battle breaks
and continues for a few minutes, then silence.

The voice then calls out "One U S Special Forces
soldier is better than one hundred Taliban".

Furious, the Taliban commander sends his next best
100 troops over the dune and instantly a huge
gunfight commences. After 10 minutes of battle,
again silence.

The American voice calls out again "One U S Special
Forces soldier is better than one thousand Taliban".

The enraged Taliban Commander musters one thousand
fighters and sends then across the dune.
Cannons, rockets and machine guns ring out as a huge
battle is fought. Then silence. Eventually one
wounded Taliban fighter crawls back over the dune
and with his dying words tells his commander,
"Don't send any more men, its a trap. There are
two of them."
Jan
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:14:56 PM
IP: 12.110.236.171

I made some home-made cornbread with haberno peppers in it. My dad ate some, but won't eat anymore. I had to stop eating before I was full. Why? It was not the heat that got to me: it was the upset stomach that made me stop. I am eating some ice cream right now, waiting for it to take take of my stomach problem. Yes, my nose is running, which I didn't mind for now. The burning sensation on my tongue is going away. We will make soup chili to go with the cornbread, in hopes of diluting it down.

Silvadel - <Personally I think that the people who are of the mindset that it is wrong to do this research should spend some time with someone who has been stricken with alzheimers and make sure that their position is solid. Most people who are against such research change their mind when a relative of theirs or themselves come down with something said research could fix or improve the quality of life for.> My grandfather has Alzheimers and I am opposed to that research.

SJ - you suprised me with that link.

NukesGoBoom and other people - Think before you ask questions about upcoming stories.

Imzadi - being on the TGS staff, I will NOT cross my fingers for TimeDancer to premiere.

No Body - I am sorry to scare you. What Mandolin said is true about some of us are upset about that question. Please hang around, though. We do have a nice community.

Everybody else - somebody finally took me seriously.

Imzadi - < If God is neither confusing nor contradictory, how could so many different religions have come from his own word?> Easy answer: Not everybody who claims to speak for God actually speaks for God.

Triglycerine - some of your questions (aside from Todd's comment) can't be answered right now without giving away spoilers.

Jan - it does not offend me.

Note: I did drink LOTS of water and am having urges to visit the restroom periodically. My tongue feels normal now, but my stomach is slightly upset.

That's about all for now.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:52:02 PM
IP: 204.94.193.55

ATTENTION!!! well, not attention.. you only have to read if ya wanna...

but my new designation is! TERRKY THE EFFICIENT ROCK STAR!!! eh, its a long story... you can still just call me terrky.

top ten things imma thankful for... a little late i know... haven't been on fer a while

1) cheese
2) cheese sandwhiches
3) my girlfriend
4) the fact that my girlfriend likes cheese
5) rock and roll
6) the people i know
7) that i still have my job
8) TGS
9) the beatles
10) that peter cetera is not with chicago anymore
Terrky The Efficient Rock Star - [srs@postmark.net]
kansas
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 09:45:06 PM
IP: 63.252.222.29

** Niamhgold enters **

Okay, not much today. Let's see...portrait in purple, hopefully the last self-portrait our teaher requires.

Not much else, except a hectic Monday. I wish it were Sunday. Or Saturday ;)

Replies:

Brooklyn: Go you! It's an awesome major...but do you touch any computer software, or are you just going to be taking cel-based courses? In either case, though, animation rocks :) And ignore any in-the-middle-of-project complaining about Flash anyone might do ;)

Revel: And damn good ones, at that ;)

Spacebabie: <so are you going for the contacts or will it be the coke bottle glasses?> LOL. I bet he goes for the heavy glasses. But I've gotta tell you, contacts work so much better when someone has as bad of an eyesight as us ;)

Jan: <It's not a very nice story, though.> Actually, not many of the biblical tales are.

FS: <**FS walks into the CR with his new Mac......intosh apple hand lotion**> Heh heh. You rock. Where can I get some of that? ;) <Why do I get the feeling you would tie people up to make sure you DO get into the video> And intuition is normally correct. <Your a looney> Not so toony. <Your loss! Steamed door-to-door Jehovah Witnesses can be a nice meal for a few days> They don't get to the door. Cerberus gets to them first, and if not him, a trap door opens up where the place mat is and they fall into fiery obliviion ;)

Daddy: <and skipped a couple other lectures> I wish I could skip any of my classes...without being screwed over. <Well, today sucked ass> I'm sorry. <but I love being able to lord it over my classmates who didn't think of it> A little competition can't hurt anyone. Heck,neither can a lot. <Very...Xanatosian, wouldn't you say> Interesting point. So those evil villains who we just love to hate...are models of god? I could live with that ;) <how could so many different religions have come from his own word?> _And_ religions that hatefully oppose one another. What's up with that? Pity. Not into abstract thinking? <Insane chicks are more fun> yeah. In a way weird ones aren't. <Ah, crap> Well, they bought the stem cells from me after I made that little harvest-trip back to the 18th century. <All hail the fuzzy white ball with glasses> Heh. 76% Dogbert. They should have the Dilbert test. <...> I didn't deserve the ellipses ;) Which would lead me to ask whether you're "cut", but the CR has already been in that discussion ;) <Should I take that as a "no" or as "better not tell you now"?> That would be a "Back the hell off." <To something un-real, its an unhealthy obsession, IMO> An artist doesn't go to art school just because. It's because it's based on something they liked to do beforehand. <I'll just have to kill your printer ;-)> Better not. He shows scary movies and makes prints of fighter jets. <doesn't see the value of 4-wheel drive> 4-wheel doesn't really make the life-or-death difference in the snow. And high-profile SUVs have a much higher chance of being windblown and caught in a skid. No, winter tires and frontwheel in a low-profile car are normally enough. <Yeah, but penne pastas name is just dirty> No, because it's close to the italian word Penna, which means feather or plumage.

Fleur: <Does she do that to get to the ice cream?> Heck yeah! For Edy's Grand Dutch Chocolate :) MMMMMMMM.

Gside: <That's dojin, aka manga, aka comic, not video> Yaoi's better. <20/600> Ouch. Well, I don't know what the numeric value is, except that my contacts register -9.0 in my right, and -8.5 in my left; and considering people with slight eyesight problems only take +/- 0.5, I can only expect that mine's about the same ;) <Magic Eight Squall> LOL. I'd like to see that >:P

Greg: <develops as clones may in fact be a useful element in my master plan to rule the cosmos> Only when combined with nanotechnology.

Ravyn: <Especially when I have a whole file full of IM conversations that I'd rather no one else read ...> Yes. That could be...bad ;)

Shadowrider: <Hi people!> Hi :) Sorry I haven't returned the email yet. I'm quite bad at this, no? Maybe when I get through classes this week?

Okay, out for now. Adios!
Niamhgold
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 08:10:22 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Josh> <> I wish I didn't have to take it next semester ... ;) <<You and me both. I'll just have to develop new ways to encrypt them...and block the virus.>> If you think of a way, let me know! ;) <<But reasonable, isn't it?>> Yeah, that's the creepy part! <<Sorry, but the whole "machiavelli" thing kind of gets my attention>> True, but he's still an adorable little machiavellian fuzzball. ;)

Brooklyn> <<Moving to Detroit next semester.>> Lucky. ;) Have fun, and good luck with the semester! Let us know how it goes. :)

**sighs** Okay, off to meetings, and then homework ... grr ... ;)
Ravyn
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 07:28:34 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Cloning > A little clump of four cells (six in one case) hardly seems to we worth getting worked up over. And I'll be the first person to admit that if I had some horrible disease, and growing stem cells in petrie dish could make me healthy again, I'd be all for it. Do I want a little Mini-Me running around, though? Not really. I think most people would agree that one of me is bad enough. ;)

Crzy > Dang, the harem is only number five? I'm gonna have to work harder to move up the list there. ;)

Mara > Hey, if you're still around... Thanksgiving has come and gone, and I'm kinda looking for an update on when I'll be seeing those commissions. Thanks.
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 07:20:58 PM
IP: 66.72.197.83

<<Personally I think that the people who are of the mindset that it is wrong to do this research should spend some time with someone who has been stricken with alzheimers and make sure that their position is solid. Most people who are against such research change their mind when a relative of theirs or themselves come down with something said research could fix or improve the quality of life for.>>

Those people are f!cking hypocrites.

Be like me - I know people who have debilitating illnesses, and I STILL DON'T CARE about the goddamn research.

My personal take on the whole God / homosexuality argument: God loves fags. It's we humans that don't.

And why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Click on the link to find out the truth! ;)

Sevarius Jr. - [It's DOOM TOWN!!!]
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 06:56:25 PM
IP: 66.44.71.133

Brooklyn: Coming up this way, hm? (BTW, where are you studying traditional animation? I'm guessing Wayne State, am I right?) Well then, look us up! (Us=me, FS and LM.) :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 06:17:37 PM
IP: 64.243.214.126

Hi guys!

How is everyone? I am well, just tired. Moving to Detroit next semester. It will be great. I will start my education in Traditional Animation. YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well keep in touch people.

Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 05:21:55 PM
IP: 4.41.243.40

josh- your website is funny as hell. i also noticed all the classes you have, and from what i have heard you have more than the average student does. about starcraft, sure ill play over winter break. im ok, not great, but i will practice just to fight you :D. oh, about the sunken colony, they reduced the hit points to ONLY 300! they DID increase the natrual buliding armor by another point (it is now 2), but still it is now a LOT worse off. anyway, hope you had fun at that math lecture.

***about my annoying question****
i only asked that question cause i honestly thought i would get an answer. when mark bluestone said something about "a very hard adversary" i thought he was being rather cryptic, so i had to ask. i now understand that he was being cryptic for a reason. besides, this episode was OLD. i didnt think there would be a problem! anyway, whenever a new episode comes out, people read then discuss it here, right? i always noticed that.**********

peace.
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 03:13:57 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

** Niamhgold enters briefly **

Lynati: I've been looking at your pics, and, I hope you didn't mind, showed the sculptures to my fibers friends. They've _love_ the sculptural work (and it's my fave, too). I really think your work is awesome; yeah, there's a little issue with file size (in photoshop, do you use the "Save for Web" function at all? Also...the work is saved at 200 dpi, and 150 is usually enough for web display purposes, 96 even, and then you can increases the actual pixel dimensions manually so that it will be larger and you can see details; it would just _print_ crappy.), but otherwise the work in itself is great! Gosh darn, all your hard work sure seems to have paid off ;) Want to see more of your work, more often :) Are you headed more in the sculptural or 2D design field? What medium were the high school pieces done in, as they're pretty awesome (and wishing to myself I'd done that kind of thing in HS ;))?

Religious debate: Well, considering I'm a hybrid of several types of religions, haven't been to church in several years, and am confused enough with school and work and other aspects of life...I'm probably not the one to make any statement on the truth or fallacy of religion. Not that I don't know my bible. It's just that I read it as if it were any of my other ethnic mythology books...y'know, like Greek or Celtic or Incan...

Okay, got that outta my system ;) Adios for now :)
Niamhgold
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 02:51:28 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Well surprise, surprise, I wake up this morning and it is actually pretending to be winter outside. not real cold just enough to break out the heavy coat though. So that was a nice wake up call. I had Thanksgiving at my Aunt's house and the only thing that was interesting about the whole thing was my Dad saying my mother had dragon breath at about five in the morning on Thursday because the four of us slept out in the living room. Other than that we got out of there asap. Even avioded the board game this year, but probably won't get away at Christmas.

Lee Shaw- Don't look at me I just draw pretty pictures.

Josh- although I was not in trafic as long as you I feel you pain. The shmucks in Dallas had the interstate torn up and down to two lanes and not two lanes next to each other I might add, on opposite sides of the freeway. Again, I don't vouch for human inteligence.

bibical stuff- not thuroughly educated enough to make a sound argument, but I have my own beliefs

Gside- CAN YOU SEE ME? Probably not ]:)

And I leave you with a qutoe from a comedian who was probably a Gargoyle watcher at one time.

"They say clothes make the man, well that's bullsh!t. I don't care how sharply dressed you are if you're an idiot you're still an idiot, infact, you prove you're an idiot for paying three hundred bucks for shoes that look like the ones I got at Wal-Mart for fifty."

-Brian Deslits-

He likes to bitch and that's why we like him.
Revel - [Samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 02:09:40 PM
IP: 129.120.255.222

I'm near the end folks. The end of this semester. Next Monday will be my last day of classes and I got a simple Shakespreare final coming up after that.

Had dinner out with my mom.We went to Roadhouse grill again. They put whipcream on the daquaris there and I did get brainfreeze. I enjoyed my dinner, ribs and cocnut shrimp and the ribs were so tender the meat slid off the bones.

Aimster is down again :(

I watched Weakest Link last night. Levar "Jordy" Burton won. The first person voted off was Q and Bill Shatner was the second.

Don't have too mcu for replies but here they are
Gside<<<Note of interest: My semi official eyesight is 20/600, or whichever way it is that is bad. >>> so are you going for the contacts or will it be the coke bottle glasses?

Josh<<<How do you get a hose to smell like banana bread?>>> Well I guess if you filter the heat coming for the stove through a hose, that could do it. Seriously it was the house…and that means only one thing…Mom’s holiday baking has officially begun.<<<Nah, it sounds more like a treatise by Marquis DeSade>>>The moron probably doesn’t even know who that is.<<<Well, today sucked ass>>> It was Monday what did you suspect?<<<and skipped a couple other lectures so I could meet with my math TA to learn the material I'd missed.>>> You know there is something not just right about what you typed.

Spacebabie
O-Town, Florida, U.S.A
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 01:47:37 PM
IP: 67.25.53.18

Mooncat: that modern interpretaion of Sodom seems a bit off to me. Most unruly mobs in the Bible just wanted to stone people to death.

Sodom's prideful, decadant, and Godless way of life was what God was angered at. Considering that the Bible lists the sin of pride as an abomination unto God 19 times while the abomination of homosexuality is only mentioned twice. I tend to think it's those actions you listed that brought forth God's wrath. People in Biblical times had more concern for appearing humble to their neighbors than anything else.
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:11:23 AM
IP: 209.245.243.84

Jan -- hi, been doing a little research. I'm not really convinced that the translation where the men of Sodom want to "rape" the angels is even correct. The original word was yada, this Hebrew word and it's derrivatives occur nearly 700 times in scripture, meaning 'know' in the sense we mean 'know'(gain a thorough knowledge of). It is used only 13 times when it means sexual intercourse. I just think it's rather odd that every single man and boy of this city would show up just to "rape" Lot's guests. Since by nature, only a small percent of a population has homosexual inclination (ten percent?) the idea that every man in Sodom wanted sex with these guys/angels seems pretty far fetched to me. Looking over every other reference to Sodom, homosexuality is not even hinted at as a reason for it's destuction, but indicates that the reason Yaweh had a problem with it was that it was :

The sins of Sodom;
1. according to Isaiah 1:10ff, were hypocrisy, idolatrous worship, and injustice.

2. according to Ezekiel 16:48-50, were pride, greed, idolatry, stubborn-ness and injustice.

3. according to Jesus, Matt 10:11-15; 11:23,24; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:10-12; 17:26-30 were inhospitality, unbelief and unpreparedness.

So the only reason today people associate Sodom and it's being story with homosexuality is the translation of that one scene and one word, where the men of the Sodom demand to "yada" = "know"/have knowledge Lot's guests.

I'm not saying the a huge unruly mob at the door wasn't intending to do bad things to Lot's guests, but I'd argue that rape was the correct translation in today's bibles.

Course then Lot pops out and says the mob can have his two virgin daughters if they will just leave his guests alone, really I can't see any good connotation to that.

Mooncat, who researches all sorts of things in the wee hours of the morning >^,,^<
Mooncat
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 09:29:06 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Mooncat> yeah, Soddom and Gommorah is very disturbing. I'll have to do some more research to figure out what Lot's intentions were when he offered his daughters to the men of Soddom so that they would not rape the angels who were his guests. As far as the alcohol stuff.. like Josh said, that doesn't stop all men from being able to impregnate women.
It's not a very nice story, though.

Metaldemon> yeah, I know I said I wouldn't discuss it, but for some reason, I just couldn't let it go. The excuse that you are using with the baptism isn't holding water with me - no pun intended ;) God gave us all a free will.
Anyway, I'm going to take the rest of what I want to say about this subject to you thru the email route. I'll send an email this afternoon after I get home from work. :)

*looks at Aaron* ohhhmannnn.. you're no fun ;p It was just starting to get good! *giggles*

no time for further posting this morning... my son set up a new server on a different computer - something to do with a hub and stuff like that... anyway, it wouldn't connect this morning for a long time, so I'm out of time now. Heh, I know he is quite pleased with me for getting him up at 5:30am to fix the network stuff. *snickers*
Jan
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 08:03:34 AM
IP: 12.110.236.72

**FS walks into the CR with his new Mac...
...intosh apple hand lotion**
Sorry. Had to!

Imzadi: <Was LM thankful for this as well?>
Yeah. She was glad we didn't have to go anywhere.
<I'm hoping for vampire>
But that would mean that Buffy and Spike are made for each other. And that's just wrong.
Maybe Buffy is now Glory!
<One word: Schumacher>
Your right. That IS a gay name!
<Yeah, and I'm the queen of england>
ALL HAIL THE QUEEN!
<But then again you can't give the death penalty to the criminally insane>
Why the hell not? Tell them it's a ride! In Gotham, the criminals are repeat offenders! KILL THEM.

Your right. Pity on all the men who get to lick womens breasts.

As do I... but, then again, I do cheat.
<But that's 17" This is 22! That's...bigger. And yes, size does matter>
Too big. Diminishing returns.
<If you learn how to make G4's, there's some good money in it for you...Apple will pay you handsome to do one thing: not be as stupid as Motorola>
I will make a chip that uses an entire die to make it! A 4" diameter chip! 128MB on-die cache! And a machine to hold 4 of these.
<Why do I somehow doubt that I would get into that video?>
Why do I get the feeling you would tie people up to make sure you DO get into the video?
<That's the same guy!? Whoa cool. I loved that fic>
Yeah, I know! THAT was cool! But I have to look at it this way: Is there a chance in hell to repopulate the earth?
<Now if only she were driving a hearse while she said that...>
???

Your a looney.

I mean, we ARE created in his image!

Wilek: <Anyone else want to invite Willow to their Christmas party? >:)>
THAT would be one cool party!

Warpmind: <No ASCII. Decent quality pictures>
Hmm... I had a few games like that. But they got corrupted.
<As for Benki... Check Gside's translation. It's accurate. Or check out ANY Japanese to English dictionary>
i am lazy. Just tell me! :)

Shadowrider: <Well, I can tell you that Freddy died in the 24th of November of 1991...I will never forget that>
Ah. And I told someone it was in 1992 Monday.
<Hey, I didn't know that thing of "City of Stone"...probably went lost in Italian dubbing (you understand why I hate dubbings and prefer original editions?)>
There has got to be a clip of her saying it somewhere...
<Practical...;)>
How many students are on your campus? How many school computers are there?
It is alot more practical than you think.

Jan: <there’s an ingredient in Sudafed (the “afed” part) that I’m not sure how to spell that is a prime ingredient in Meth>
Pseudoephedrine Hydrocloride. The weird thing is that the stores in my area jus throw the 96 packs of the stuff on the shelves.
<There’s other ingredients needed, but I’m not telling any more information>
Pseudoephedrine Hydrocloride, Lye, that preservative, cooling system... Let me just pull out my 'Meth for Dummies' book. Oh, no, wait. That burned when I blew up my apartment last time I tried to make it! ;)
<Housing used to be pretty cheap around here, but in the past few years, it has skyrocketed>
Sucks.
I guess I should grab the local $2K an acre while I can.

Gside: < Whoa. You hear songs that weren't written? White Rabbit was done by Jefferson Airplane and sung by Grace Slick. be careful, I am a Dodgsonian.>
Music I don't know.
Hey, I thought Bob Marley did the version of "I shot the sheriff" when it was actually the Eric Clapton version I wanted. I got a copy from a freind.
<And why would they do a thing like that? So what if you completely wipe the entire drive in one line?>
Yeah. They are such worry worts!
<It's easily rectified, but would it be more susceptable to line noise?>
Thats what I meant.
<No, just in the gutter>
Oh. Well, thats easy.
<No, it's all about the peasant/SCV/drone/probe rush>
Or a Battlecruiser/Ghost (With 5 nukes ready to fire) rush.
<You forgot Flash>
No I didn't. I just didn't mention it because I listed the stuff people were actually likely to have seen. Flash is more of a cult classic.

Christine: < be sure to check the "Letter from the Editor" section in the next AvMists, in which I plan to address those very issues and make an offer to the people who think I've destroyed this wholesome family-oriented 'zine ...>
Ah, the people who think that are just crazy! Dark Avalon Mists?
<Why should that engender groans from the Callahan's crowd?>
Scooby. Jericho. Love Machine...
Need I continue? :)

NukesGoBoom: 
Earth = Terra, so Martians = From Mars, Terrans = From Terra, or Earth.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 07:08:23 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Madoc was intended as a sort of "substitute-Satan" (one that wouldn't create religious controversy); the name came from an old Welsh genealogy where he was said to be the father of Merlin (though I later on found out that it wasn't the Merlin of Arthurian legend that the genealogy was talking about but a different figure with the same name).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 07:07:29 AM
IP: 168.191.109.246

**Mandi emerges from a pile of reports and papers she's been putting off organizing for weeks.**

No Body> <<GEEZ!! I'm sorry, I didn't know it was such a "No-No" to talk about it...*sobs* I won't mention it,...ever agian. >>

**hands No Body a tissue** Sorry that had to be your intro to the CR, hon. Right now, the TGS staff is going a bit nuts trying to get certain things rolling. We added the notice on http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/ce.html after the question was asked multiple times by multiple people. It's getting fairly frustrating for staffers, mainly because we're as frustrated with our progress as our readers are.

Lee> <<Hey, I realise that you guys are very busy right now, but I just wanted to ask if I'm going to recieve any sort of reply to my forwarded mail any time soon?>> Working on it. Really. ;)

**goes back to trying to write an episode outline**
Mandolin
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 06:37:40 AM
IP: 199.173.225.21

Hey folks.

Well, today sucked ass. I slept through my first class and didn't get my midterm back...but John did so at least now I have a rough idea of what I missed that half point on. We got an A on our lab, which was cool. I skipped my stat quiz (they take the best 2 of 3 grades, and I've taken two and gotten decent grades, knew I would fail this one, so I skipped it), and skipped a couple other lectures so I could meet with my math TA to learn the material I'd missed.

After an hour and a half, I was no more comfortable with the material than I was when I entered her office. Thank god she decided not to give us a quiz today.

The bad news is that means the quiz is on wednesday, and I don't have my homework to study from.

I did manage to get my stat assignment done; though easy, it was tedious and required the use of my computer (programming for a math assignment...I hate doing that...but I love being able to lord it over my classmates who didn't think of it).

A pretty productive day, but with bills to pay, lousy weather, a cold apartment, and everything else, I'm ready to crash.

But first, replies!

Shadowrider: <<Not that great endurance, huh, dude?>>: When it comes to driving, no. Its too mentally exhausting. Activities that require less...thought...I have quite the endurance for ;-) <<they're not delivering finished production models, as far as I know>>: Hmm...true. <<You can find some good news>>: Cool looking! Know where I can read the specs?

Jan: <<His heart was softened with the birth of His Son, Jesus>>: Awww, what a sweetie! Kinda makes you want to forget how he turned the nile to blood and killed the first born male child of every egyptian ;-) Very...Xanatosian, wouldn't you say? <<God is not confusing nor contradicts>>: Then there's no way God could have written the bible. If God is neither confusing nor contradictory, how could so many different religions have come from his own word? <>: But they're so much fun! <<states that the Red Sea was 12 miles wide and 75’-100’ deep>>: Perhaps, but I'd still like to see a geological cross-section of the area. <<It’s a shame that you and I couldn’t teach a behavioral disorder class together>>: I'd send my little brother to you 8-)

Metaldemon: <<which is a really bad thing to put blind-faith in since it's rules are set down by man>>: Since I don't believe in a flawless diety, can you explain why its any more realistic to have faith in god but not in man? I mean, if you don't believe in your fellow humans, what hope is there for a diety? <<Don't you know that terrorists and communists and liberals are out there?!>>: I thought those were all the same thing ;-) <<We have no room here in America for you atheist communist liberals because God loves only capitalism>>: Where is it written that capitalists must be Christian? <<Why don't you go to Amsterdame and see what opression is?>>: Yeah, I'd feel really oppressed living in a place where I can smoke weed in the streets ;-) <<Mainly because why would God make someone by nature homosexual and then say it's wrong?>>: Perhaps this is why right-wingers say that homosexuality is a choice? <<that capitalism is wrong>>: Coveting thy neighbor's crap is what drives the economy! <<ancient preists of pagan religiouns practiced "gay" prostitution as idoltry. And idoltry is wrong>>: And don't forget that sodomy has MANY different definitions. Technically, oral sex is sodomy...and I've got two words for God if he thinks that THAT is a sin...and they aren't "thank you". <<Newton's equations that allow for events to be reversed>>: Not by itself, no. But the second(?) law of thermodynamics prohibts most reactions from operating in reverse. <<he who has full faith in science has a really strong faith towards something>>: Only said I was an atheist ;-)

Spacebabie: <<right now the hose smells like bannana bread>>: How do you get a hose to smell like banana bread? <<He thought "Of Human Bondage" was a porno book>>: Nah, it sounds more like a treatise by Marquis DeSade. <<Penn and Teller>>: They rock! Have you seen Mofo the Psychic Gorilla?

Jackal: <<Translate that into old english, during the repressive dark ages- Young, unmarried girl equals- Virgin>>: Hmmm, interesting point.

Lynati: <<It wasn't parted; it didn't have to be. It was onyl, like, 4 or 6 inches deep>>: I guess this is something we can determine from geologic records, huh?

Nukes: <<it looks like you are asking for a 1v1>>: Not just now. I never said I was good, nor did I say that I really wanted to play. Again, no time is a serious issue for me. All I said was that I like playing toss ;-) Maybe over winter break though? I have a couple free days on my DSL before I go back to the slodem. <<after what they did to the sunken colony>>: What'd they do? <>: Depends on the race I play. Terran: marines or wraiths of death. Zerg: Muties. Toss: Offensive bunkering. Of course, it all depends on the map. <<Who was the incredible adversary that the humans fought?>>: Some things, Nukes, are for the staff members to know and for you to find out later on. Assume that anything that hasn't been revealed will be revealed in due time. No one is gonna share any new information in the CR. <>: Um, terran has been around for a long time. It has always meant "earthling". <<why cant anyone answer my question!? im not asking about anything that cant be answered!>>: You're wrong. It can't be answered because the TGS staff has a policy of not giving away what's gonna happen.

No Body: <<Do the TGS staff have any future plans to continue TGS, particularly Dark Ages>>: Probably. ;-)

Ravyn: <>: I wish I had statics instead of Dynamics. <<Still have Vector Calc homework>>: Don't wish I had that though! <<Especially when I have a whole file full of IM conversations that I'd rather no one else read>>: You and me both. I'll just have to develop new ways to encrypt them...and block the virus. <<too much to think about there>>: But reasonable, isn't it? <<the whole Internet still amazes me>>: Well, its wonder that makes the world go round ;-) <<And the cute ears!!! You can't forget those>>: Sorry, but the whole "machiavelli" thing kind of gets my attention ;-)

Greg X: <<clones may in fact be a useful element in my master plan to rule the cosmos>>: I'm thinking flying troops ;-) <<What about the Torah?>>: That doesn't rake it in as much as the bible. <<Steal This Book?>>: Logically, that *couldn't* be the best seller. <<One of my new goals in life is to write the number one best selling book in the history of the universe>>: After dominating it and forcing everyone to buy a copy, right? ;-) <>: It is. Its the movie channels (the one WITHOUT commercials) that they charge all the money for. Nothing pays for those channels. But most basic cable should, I agree, be free. <<in my ever growing quest to know everything>>: I thought as someone in our age group you are already suppose to know everything? <<my Dad is a dealer>>: Really? I'd like to buy an ounce. Oh wait, not that kind of dealer, huh? <>: Ya know, it would be REALLY funny if it was.

Gside: <<My semi official eyesight is 20/600>>: Gah!? I'm sorry to hear that. <<why would they do a thing like that? So what if you completely wipe the entire drive in one line?>>: Exactly why root is disabled in OS X. <<just in the gutter>>: Technically that's a topic. <<it's all about the peasant/SCV/drone/probe rush>>: No, its all about Offensive Bunkering/Cannoning. <<Magic Eight Squall>>: Wuzzat? <<But will you let her get better>>: I was waiting for you to say that. <<Science is like a game where you have to find out the rules while you play by playing>>: I hate games like that. They drive me nuts. Fortunately, now that most of the important rules have been documented, someone else can tell them to me ;-)

Christine: <<the people who think I've destroyed this wholesome family-oriented 'zine>>: Its family oriented!? Cripes! ;-) I'm hoping your letter will read as follows: "Dear Readers...go get laid...thanks, Christine" ;-) <<A good scam>>: Brilliant, if you ask me. Free beer! <<it's nice to work in a field where having a low compassion rating is a strength>>: tech support? <<thanks for listening>>: Our pleasure...you tell that story much better than I would.

Hailerstar: <>: I call it hell too. You're not alone.

Aingeal: << need more RAM>>: I know the feeling. It was quite a shock graduating from a machine with 32 megs to one with 192, to one with 1536. RAM's cheap right now, and I think the prices are headed for a rise in the near future, with the RAM companies consolidating.

Aaron: <<Patrick, Josh, Crzy... CUT IT THE F**K OUT>>: I wasn't sure what to say until you cleared it all up for me. Thanks! ;-)

Triglycerine: <<questions>>: They aren't going to tell you. Nothing that hasn't already been revealed is going to be outside of the stories. You'll just have to wait an dread. Oh, except for the last one. I believe that Madoc is supposed to be the fae that satan is based on. Even though Oberon is by no stretch of the imagination the God of most religions.

Silvadel: <<They have the eventual GOAL of being able to make organs for people>>: I know what this particular goal is. But who's to say what the research could and couldn't be used for? Its very easy to see the step AFTER the generation of organs to be selecting desireable traits in children. I don't know how right or wrong any of it is, since I have zero sense of morals/ethics, but I'm just pointing out the potential argument.

Mooncat: <<naughty hedonistic behavior in general>>: Well then they're no fun! <<the whole city?>>: Damn, that's a lot of play. <<Knowing today that alcohol will do to a man's ability to perform>>: Wait a minute! Alcohol *may* affect performance/ability to get an erection, but that's certainly not 100% true for all men. As proof, I offer the thousands of times that guys my age go to jail for rape because he was drunk and she was drunk and they had sex. So obviously its not totally impossible for man to impregnate a female just because he has some alcohol in his system. And what about all those new years/valentines day/christmas babies? <<this is only a way to blame his incest on the girls>>: Who knows? Maybe they really were screwed in the head. You would be if your dad offered YOU to every male in the city. <<virgin girls deciding they want to have babies out in the wilderness and are so desperate that they get their dad drunk so he'll mate with them?>>: I think that however impractical it is (I'm not saying its true, not saying it isn't), its a lot easier to believe that there was some screwed up incest than "the parting of the red sea". At least drunken incest doesn't defy laws of physics. <>: Oh I wouldn't either. There shouldn't be enough beer in germany to make a man have sex with his own daughters. <<Hebe was the daughter of Hera and Zeus>>: Too much incest in Greek Stories, that's for sure.

Sorow: <<A step closer to having my own room>>: Chika bow...

And after all that, I think I will sleep.

Now comes the really boring character development. -Ben Barron, while watching Gladiator
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 03:11:14 AM
IP: 64.161.26.222

Gside> Well, this is what I see happening.
*enter scientist*: Clearly what happened here is that, speaking through quantum physics, the correct cells were exchanged through alternate worlds, since our not-yet-proven "multiple worlds theory" states such can happen, and the man was healed. Either that or, through Newtonian physics, the events that caused the problem with the man were simply reversed, since our math equations, unlike those of relativity physics, allows for such to happen. It's really quite simple."
Silly, yes I know, but could be likely to happen.
Science in itself is a lot more impratical than religion. Granted I do find Newton's laws of nature to be, for the most part, accurate; however, even Newton himself said his laws cannot exist forever and everywhere. With stuff like multiple worlds theory, Newton's equations that allow for events to be reversed, etc., I just can't give all of science too much credit; I do give it credit where it does deserve it: genetics, laws of nature. I will admit, though, he who has full faith in science has a really strong faith towards something. Seriously, I mean it.
mooncat> catamite, that's the words. Thanks :).
Silvadel> I have heard of one scietist who said he would make it his mission to clone a human being, and even threatened to sail out into international waters to do so.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 02:09:33 AM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Hey all. I've made the second cut for a Resident Assistant in my dorm hall. A step closer to having my own room...yeeeee... Hope everyone is recovering from Thanksgiving.
SOROW
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 01:49:27 AM
IP: 129.116.38.151

NO FAIR! At first glance I thought it said Osma Bin Ladin was dead...then I realized it was 'demona'...tho the clone joke...well I can't decide if its just plain twisted or just plain funny. They could clone him all over the place...Then we'd have pin the bomb on the bin laden at kids birthday parties and no more need for clay pidgeons down at the shooting range, we'll just launch some of the bin laden clones into the air and kapow. Ever hear of the story called 'the deadliest game' Its about a rich man who hunts another man for sport...coincidentlly the rich man gets killed. I can see it now, they'd release the clones into the wild and america would have a shooting spree...
Just a 411: anyone who is taking me seriously right now needs to go slam their head into a brick wall-fast!
HailerStar
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 01:46:47 AM
IP: 207.42.162.163

News Breakˆˆˆ
Osama Bin Laden is Demona!!
Goddamn sorcery. When will it stop....

I stick to my previous statement- *Most* things do not happen outside of science.

Human Cloning- Yea, why not?! We should clone Mr. Laden and kill him repeatedly, everyone should get a chance!Yes! I believe in the death of another human being..., JIHAD!!
Donald Rumsfeld aka JackaL - [sukit@hell.com]
Kabul, AfGhaniStaN
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 01:20:24 AM
IP: 205.188.195.181

re: Cadamite -- That's a mispelling I'm pretty sure. I think you meant Catamite, which is a Greek word.

Catamite
A term for the youthful lover of an older man derived from the Latin name Catamus, a latinized form of the Greek "Ganymede."

Ganymede

In Greek mythology, Ganymede, a mortal shepherd boy so beautiful that the god Zeus spirited him away to Olympus, served as the god's cupbearer and lover. In 17th and 18th Century France and England, "Ganymede" came to be used for the boyish lovers of older men, and eventually for any male willing to be penetrated during anal intercourse.

My own problem with Ganymede really is that he ursuped Hebe's place as cup bearer of the gods (basically the one who gets to carry and poor the ambrosia at the godly get togethers) -- Hebe got a raw deal, I think. Plus she got married off to Hercules (her half brother by Zeus) and fades from view after that.

Hebe was the daughter of Hera and Zeus.

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:57:22 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Okay, this is my two and a half million cents on the subject of Lot. From what I know, and I won't go into details cause religion seems...a risky subject...the part about him offering his daughters is a mistranslation *I'm assuming from the original hebrew and greek* That's my two cents.
HailerStar
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:48:13 AM
IP: 207.42.162.163

Sodom and Gamorrah --

A bible story I always found rather odd and suspicious.

Basically, God sends angels to the twin cities because there is great outcry against them (does not mention this outcry is particularly against homosexuality, but just naughty hedonistic behavior in general), and he wants to see if it's as bad as all that. When the angels arrive they meet Lot and this, the only guy they save out of the city, is the same man who offers his two youngest, virgin daughters to all the men in the city (the whole city? yup, youngest to the oldest, that's what the bible said) who apparently show up at his door to have sex with his guests. He says to them, you can do whatever you want to these girls who have never known a man if you all leave my guests alone. oooookay.

Then, after his sons-in-law and one presumes all his married daughters stay in the city (they thought Lot was kidding), and presumably die, Lot leaves with those two unmarried daughters and wife. Wife looks back, turns into salt.

Now the part I particularly have trouble with is where Lot goes lives in the boonies, and knocks up his daughters (gets them preggers). Now the bible says the daughters get Lot drunk so he'll lie with them. Knowing today that alcohol will do to a man's ability to perform, I wonder how accurate this is. I really doubt they got him drunk, and that this is only a way to blame his incest on the girls. I mean really, virgin girls deciding they want to have babies out in the wilderness and are so desperate that they get their dad drunk so he'll mate with them? ooookay.

I know that today, if some strange old guy went out to live in the wilderness with his two virgin daughters, then knocked them up, it wouldn't be the girls I'd be blaming. I wouldn't be considering him all that righteous for sure.

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:42:03 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

*recovers from weapons fire*

GEEZ!! I'm sorry, I didn't know it was such a "No-No" to talk about it...*sobs* I won't mention it,...ever agian.

*crawls back into the hole from which she emerged*

No Body...
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:37:00 AM
IP: 172.180.147.172

I have a hard time believing just how much trouble they are having with this cloning stuff -- They are NOT trying to make identical humans...

They ARE trying to generate stem cells that are guaranteed compatible with the donor so they can cure parkinsons alzheimers and a score of other diseases you dont want.

They have the eventual GOAL of being able to make organs for people so that if someone needs a liver transplant, instead of having to find a donor (and often the person dies before that happens) and risk rejection, they can take a few cells and grow a new liver in a matter of weeks.

Personally I think that the people who are of the mindset that it is wrong to do this research should spend some time with someone who has been stricken with alzheimers and make sure that their position is solid. Most people who are against such research change their mind when a relative of theirs or themselves come down with something said research could fix or improve the quality of life for.

silvadel
Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:31:57 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Could somebody answer the following questions about TGS?

1.Were those things in Dragon Stone Space-Spawn since they did fall from the sky and it was written by Todd Jensen who believed that the Space-Spawn were probably goign to be very Lovecraftian?

2.Are you guys ever going to introduce the Green Knight, Blanchefleur and Percival into Pendragon?

3.For the Space-Spawn arc coming up in Timedancer are you guys going to base it on the outline of 2198 on Askgreg?

4.How did you guys know that there was a fourth and older race and that they were going to be dragons?

5.In that season 2 episodes where Angela goes to London there is a flashback of the gargs attacking the Shire pub where the halflings hang out can anybody tell me in which episode this attack actually happen?

6. How did Umbriel get his keeper?

7. Who was Madoc in the original legends? I thought Merlin's father was Beelzebub or Lucifer.

I'd also like to thank you guys for continuing gargoyles and the master plan and I truly think that you've outdone Greg in some places such as Brooklyn's travels being recorded, Madoc and the Unseelie and Harthoth and the dragons.
Triglycerine
Monday, November 26, 2001 11:53:21 PM
IP: 64.24.12.60

Contrary to popular belief, I haven't managed to smear myself all over a highway yet, so while I'm here...

Patrick, Josh, Crzy... CUT IT THE F**K OUT.

I don't care who started it, it gets stopped now.

Gods, I feel old saying that...

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Monday, November 26, 2001 11:47:38 PM
IP: 207.222.167.217

Jan> "Cadamite" is a an ancient greek word. It's not English.
My sources are various web-sites and books, and, as confirmation, my straight Church of Christ friend named Grant who researched this for a project at Baylor and got an "A." A book yuou might want to check out would "Homosexuality and the Bible." I think that's what is called, I will have to double check.
Sodom and Ghomorra were destroyed because not only was there "sodomy" via adultery (meaning those who were having sex with men were also married) but other sins were being commited. In all honosty, the entire worl is no better than those two cities. Hate to burst your bubble, God didn't destroy Sodom and Ghomorra because of "sodomy." That's a defunct argument because we are all evil and worthy of being punished as much as Sodom and Ghemorra got it.
As I said, I don't believe any of the verse labled against homosexuality as the word of God. Mainly because why would God make someone by nature homosexual and then say it's wrong?
I can pull out quotes that say the death penalty is wrong, that capitalism is wrong, that war is wrong, etc. But that doesn't stop Christians from voting Republican which supports all those things.
Just as you believe that Old Laws are customes and man-made, so too do I belive that the laws forbidding homosexuality are man-made. An argument I have heard says that the reson why "sodomy" was forbidden is because ancient preists of pagan religiouns practiced "gay" prostitution as idoltry. And idoltry is wrong.
Besides, didn't you say youi didn't want to argue this point. Technically, you lied ;)
The strongest proof I have against God forbidding homosexuality is my own experiance. I knew I was gay before I was baptized and I am still gay. If God had a problem with Homosexuality, He would have made me heterosexual.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Monday, November 26, 2001 11:14:23 PM
IP: 24.219.166.111

Hi... the turkeys didn't eat me.. i'm moving to Harrisburg, PA in Dec instead of MD, and have too much HW... I need more RAM.... if the Biblical discussion is still going on when i have a life again i'll join in then.... laters.

Aingeal
Monday, November 26, 2001 11:06:11 PM
IP: 207.42.162.150

It's an orange kinda nite! Or maybe it's just me trying to cheer myself out of the blues I've been fighting all day...I must say I like reading the blurbs on all the shows I don't get to watch now that I'm back in hades...erhm...uhm...I mean that place of higher learning called college. At least I can live vicariously and still keep up to date on all the action. *Hey stop laffing, I know its sad, but you don't need to laff at me!* Also I want to say heyla to Archwolf n send him a huge smile!
HailerStar
USAMonday, November 26, 2001 11:02:25 PM
IP: 207.42.162.163

Moses and the Red Sea: Exodus 14. Some of the scriptures that are in direct reference to what has been said so far in here….
14:21-27
“Meanwhile, Moses stretched his rod over the sea, and the Lord opened up a path through the sea, with walls of water on each side; and a strong east wind blew all night, drying the bottom of the sea. (22) so the people of Israel walked through the sea on dry ground! (23) Then the Egyptians followed them between the walls of water along the bottom of the sea – all of Pharaoh’s horses, chariots, and horsemen…..(25)Their chariot wheels began coming off, so that their chariots scraped along the dry ground…..(26)…. The Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand again over the sea so that the water will come back over the Egyptians and their chariots and horsemen.” (27) Moses did, and the sea returned to normal beneath the morning light.
Reference: The Living Bible, paraphrased.

Now, according to this – there’s no reference as to how deep the Red Sea was at the time – other than to indicate that it was deep enough to come back over the Egyptians and drown them. Plus, 2-3” doesn’t constitute “walls of water”. It also says 3 different times of the dry ground. Besides, if it was true about the chariots becoming stuck in the mud and that’s how the Israelites got away – wouldn’t they have been slowed down too because of the mud? Ever tried to walk in mud? They had carts carrying their things so they would have been bogged down too, making a quick escape difficult if not impossible.
My mother has a Dake Bible – which is considered to be one of the most researched and accurate Bibles - states that the Red Sea was 12 miles wide and 75’-100’ deep.

I apologize if posting scriptures from the Bible has offended anyone, but that's the most accurate resource that I consider for this since it's a biblical story.

Metaldemon> <<Well, the term that he uses is "Cadamite,">> Personally, I have never heard of this term nor has my mother – who is the most knowledgeable person on the Bible that I’ve ever met. This does not mean, however, that the word does not exist nor that Paul didn’t use the word – just that we haven’t heard of it. Where do you get your information? What version of the Bible is this listed in? *curious*
Re: homosexuality in the Bible – I can give you 4 references in the Bible concerning this, if you’d like. In all that I’ve read, it’s completely different than what you have stated. Plus don’t forget what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and why.

No Body> *just shakes head and laughs*

GregB> <<the ship is shaped like a weird looking crucifix. When I first saw it, I thought it was Richard Nixon's casket.>> LMAO!!!
Yes, I should read and study other religions, but to be honest with you – I just don’t have the time to devote doing such a project. I’m pretty much of the opinion that if I’m going to spend extra time learning and studying religion, it will be spent on my own religion, you know? I don’t mind learning about other religions and beliefs, but not to the point that it would take away time from learning about my own. I like hearing about other beliefs and such, but I just don’t have the time to study them in depth. Plus, this is actually the only place that I debate my particular beliefs or Christianity. My friends IRL are either Christians or they at least believe in God.
Has anyone ever tried the new Listerine pocket strips? O__O whoa! It’s a gummed strip of Listerine that dissolves in your mouth… it stuck to the roof of my mouth and kept burning my tongue.. I was gagging and coughing – along with laughing. Nasty stuff.

Christine> *LOL* you go girl!! It’s a shame that you and I couldn’t teach a behavioral disorder class together! We share the same philosophy when it comes to fakers and whiners. I was the Queen of Stubborn when it comes to temper tantrums from students. I could outlast them ;) I’ll never forget this one student who cried, “You NEVER give in!!” hehe

DPH> glad to hear that your back is improving =)

I had a short night last night so as soon as Crossing Jordan is over with, I’m going to bed. G’night all!
Jan
Monday, November 26, 2001 10:44:22 PM
IP: 12.110.236.89

What a weekend. Ugh. Followed up the Thanksgiving bookshelf purge by doing the same with all the kitchen cupboards, and then spent Sunday going through all Becca's toys. Final score from her room: 6 bags trash, 2 bags too-small clothes, five boxes toys for yard sale or donation. And no tantrums! Though I stooped to bribing -- treated it like a game show, and if she could get through it all without pitching a fit, she'd win a Golden Snitch of her very own! Cute little thing, a shiny beanbag with wings. Got one for me, too ; )

Gside > Vermadel? Okay, you win. Sounds like a villainess name!

Fire Storm > be sure to check the "Letter from the Editor" section in the next AvMists, in which I plan to address those very issues and make an offer to the people who think I've destroyed this wholesome family-oriented 'zine ...

Mooncat > thanks! I expect Ophidia will stir things up quite a bit at Hogwarts in the next story.

Warpmind > what's wrong with the title? Why should that engender groans from the Callahan's crowd? Though it's nice to know I am remembered there!

Last night at work I defended my title of cold and pitiless bitch, huzzah! We have a resident who used to live at Cascade Hall (my former workplace) and this fellow is a needy fellow who is always looking for attention and sympathy -- which of course is a habit that cuts zero ice with me in the first place. Pretends he can't talk. Makes a big show of being helpless and pitiful. It serves him well in the bars because people feel so sorry for this little guy who can't even talk that they buy his beer. A good scam.

However, over the weekend the little twerp fell and dislocated his shoulder. Has been milking it for all he's worth, at the bars and from the new night shifter. She's been coddling him and taking care of him and making him toast and all that. Other staff have had trouble getting him to stay dressed because he keeps claiming he can't use his arm and get his shirt on. Now, NAMI may say they want to promote a realistic version of the mentally ill in movies and television, but believe me, they don't ... they want a sanitized version of the success stories.

Whoops, side-rant soapbox, sorry about that.

Well, anyway, then it's _my_ turn. So he comes in, drunk and half-dressed, makes sure he's in front of the office window where I can see him, and falls down where he starts bawling and howling and moaning and wallowing around on the floor, begging for help, making a big production out of not being able to get up, and so on. While his shirt was all open and his pants were falling off (_not_ a pretty picture; as a rule, very few of this population are even within shouting distance of Luka from ER).

So I stood over him and watched with all the bedside manner of a coroner, and told him he had to get up and go to his room. No patience. No pity. It's nice to work in a field where having a low compassion rating is a strength ... it's sad that the field should be supposedly a social services, "helping and caring" one ... but this lady don't do enabling, thank you. Huh-uh! So anyway, after he finally dragged himself to his room, stumbling and almost falling and uttering little hoots and moans of suffering to try and get a reaction, he emerged half an hour later moving perfectly fine in search of a cigarette. The rest of the night, he hid from me.

Though of course when it got to be eight o'clock and the day shift was due, he made some furtive reappearances, peeking to see if Christine the Bitch Queen was still on and vanishing when I was. Couldn't wait to try his act on Stan. Naturally, I briefed Stan, who agreed that he wasn't going to fall for it either.

Just needed to gripe a little about my evening ... thanks for listening! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, November 26, 2001 10:10:12 PM
IP: 64.24.35.115

Damn. I was crossing my fingers that no person would show up and ask about the status of TGS this week.

**Computer, lock in on "No Body....." with IP address of 172.181.2.92 and continuiously fire all available conventional weapons at target until either the target is destroyed and/or ammo for conventional weapons is depleted.

"Acknowledged," replies the computer. Seconds later, "Target has been destroyed and/or lost on radar," says the computer.

Computer, rebuild the conventional weapon arsenal to twice as large as before.**

No Body - Have you bothered to read the statement of status of TGS on tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/ce.html?

JackaL - < Jesus' "virgin" birth was originally recorded in
greek which read something like- "Jesus was born to Mary, young and not married."> At least, two people in this CR will have a problem with that statement.

Daphne - how's life?

I had my re-exam today at the chirporactor's office today. Early indications are that I am doing fairly well except for my neck and near my tailbone. I have been following stronger. If it was not for the rain outside, I would have walked 2 miles today.

I am thinking about taking a shower and then completing this post. This part was completed by 7:35pm CT.

**JUSTICE LEAGUE SPOILERS**
Hmm. Interesting premise for the entire story, but all the same, why bother with it? There were only two basic outcomes for this story and neither one of them were satisfactory. It was nice to show that superspeed isn't all its cracked up to be. BTW, I never quite figured out why he was out in space in the first place. I would have reasoned he wouldn't leave Earth unless someone tipped him off.
**END JL SPOILERS.**
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, November 26, 2001 10:04:40 PM
IP: 204.94.193.53

why cant anyone answer my question!? im not asking about anything that cant be answered! lol, i dont think its barbara striesand, ... well idk it could be. but seriously, can someone tell me what these "enemies" are that are described in the timedancer episode "GAmes without frontiers?" thanks.
NukesGoBoom
Monday, November 26, 2001 09:23:11 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

Note of interest: My semi official eyesight is 20/600, or whichever way it is that is bad.

Fire Storm> <<Every time I hear the Janice Joplin song Alice>>: Whoa. You hear songs that weren't written? White Rabbit was done by Jefferson Airplane and sung by Grace Slick. be careful, I am a Dodgsonian.
<>: And why would they do a thing like that? So what if you completely wipe the entire drive in one line?
<>: It's easily rectified, but would it be more susceptable to line noise?
<<What, you expect that place to stay on topic?>>: No, just in the gutter.
<<And the returning members get to lick it off>>: Ooh, another incentive.
<<ZERG RUSH>>: No, it's all about the peasant/SCV/drone/probe rush.
<<Got a Japanese sex slang definition chart?>>: I still can't believe mokkori is its own word.
<>: Better than the Magic Eight Squall.
<<Especially if they watched Highlander>>: You forgot Flash.

Imzadi> <<Wrong witch>>: Whichever.

Fleur> Well wishes for your father.
<<Well, that would have been fun too>>: Mmm... Oh, wait, sorry.
<<Must have been one heck of a porn video>>: That's dojin, aka manga, aka comic, not video.
<<Now I'm going to go out and find some hapless victims to try those tricks on>>: But of course. Enjoy.
<<They're essentially the same element though>>: Which is the only reason silicon is considered as a replacement.
<<silicon-based muscles would be bigger>>: Density might go up, but I don't think there'd be much of an increase in size.

Warpmind> <>: Whenever. I just wanted to double check it wasn't a bad disc, and you could get past the bad frame.
<>: But you lack imagination for proper utilization of ropes.

Ravyn> <<Goldeneye. (Go, Boris!)>>: I always play as Supergeek. With my hat.

Imzadi> <<I'm gonna turn you into a newt>>: But will you let her get better?

Metaldemon> <<it puts blind faith in Science, which is a really bad thing to put blind-faith in since it's rules are set down by man>>: No, its rules are discovered by man. If I wanted to claim that kinetic energy was suddenly sqrd(m)*v^3, I would still be wrong even though I had set it down. Science is like a game where you have to find out the rules while you play by playing.

NukesGoBoom> <>: No, Terran is a perfectly common scifi-ish way of saying earthling. It also sounds much better.

Ravyn> <<Especially when I have a whole file full of IM conversations that I'd rather no one else read>>: For those times when the Bando isn't online and you nedd some relief? Sorry.
Because Fire Storm got it wrong, the new mp3 is White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane, @!$# it. And there's also a large bonus in my eden account to show I'm not holding it against him.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, November 26, 2001 08:33:28 PM
IP: 165.230.240.116

*break from art history!*

No Body: ...well...at least you didn't ask when we were starting again. Yes. it Is being continued. as we speak.

*gone*
Lynati
Monday, November 26, 2001 08:14:04 PM
IP: 208.12.249.253

My Mom's boyfriend, William, is a machinist and an artist. He loves to make art out of junk. One piece he did was titled "Jesus Christ's Spaceship", the theme there is that Christ is travelling to other planets and teaching what ever things there his gospel. Ad the ship is shaped like a weird looking crusifix. When I first saw it, I thought it was Richard Nixon's casket.

Niamhgold> <<they've finally cloned the first human embryo>> YES! I look forward to seeing how this develops as clones may in fact be a useful element in my master plan to rule the cosmos.

Baldy> <<Very well, not greatest, but it IS the unbeatable all-time bestseller.>> The Bible is the all time best seller? What about the Torah? The Koran? Steal This Book? Oh well, that will soon change. One of my new goals in life is to write the number one best selling book in the history of the universe! ;)

LEE> <<Hey, I realise that you guys are very busy right now, but I just wanted to ask if I'm going to recieve any sort of reply to my forwarded mail any time soon? And please accept my apologies if I come across as too impatient>> We've been busy, but we'll get to it as soon as we can.

JAN> <<if they are trying to entice someone to pay for the premium channels, shouldn’t they show NEWer shows?>> I personally think television should be free. Isn't the whole point of commercials to pay for the TV programs. <> Perhaps you should read up on other religions, they are quite interesting. Always good for a debate, and I'm one of those knowledge is power people. I like to debate and argue everything in my ever growing quest to know everything.

JOSH> <<<<if one wants to fully abide by God's law, the only poeple who have done it are ultra-orthodox Jews>>: And those people are SCARY.>> Tell me about it. They're all over the place here. Especially on 42nd Street doing business in the Diamond Exchange (my Dad is a dealer).

JEN> <<I'm back from vacation... I had a great turkey day. It was cold and rainy. :) At least we left for home on Saturday instead of Sunday. Even with the rain it was only a 6 1/2 hour drive. Had we left on Sunday we would probably still be on the road.>> Ugh, I couldn't sit in a car for 6 and a half hours. Glad you had a great Turkey day :) <<7. Gargoyles and the people it has brought into my life.
6. Endless supplies of fun and interesting friends!>> ::Slaps forehead:: I knew I forgot to add a couple of things to my list. Oh well, there's always next year's Top Ten Things I'm thankful for.

NUKES> <<Who was the incredible adversary that the humans fought?>> I keep telling you that it is Barbara Streisand. <> Actually, the term "Terran" predates Starcraft... considerably.

"Stanley, I'd like you to meet some of the Super Best Friends. Buddha with the powers of invisibility! Mohammed, the Muslim prophet with the powers of flame! Krishna, the Hindu deity! Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet! Lao Tzu the founder of Taoism! And Sea Man with the ability to live under water and link mentally with fish!"
-Jesus Christ "South Park"
Greg Bishansky
Monday, November 26, 2001 07:27:21 PM
IP: 216.179.6.247

Life is good. :)

Why? I had a Statics assignment due tomorrow, but my professor has postponed it for another week *and* shortened the assignment. Woo hoo! :) Still have Vector Calc homework, though ... grr ... ;)

Hiya, Blue Eyes White Dragon! :)

Jan> <<They sure make a lot of money but the consequences are not worth it>> Definitely NOT. The guy made a dumb decision to do that. :( <<Of course, I was glad to see him as the President anyway, but even more grateful now>> Me too! Dubya rules!!! :)

Hi, HailerStar! ;)

Josh> <<Our drive took us NINE HOURS!>> Ouch! I'm sorry. ;) <<the FBI is developing a virus>> That's just not cool. Not at all. Especially when I have a whole file full of IM conversations that I'd rather no one else read ... ;) <<Kind of makes me wonder if the government has a slight conflict of interest in this anti-trust suit>> Wow ... yeah. Gee whiz ... too much to think about there. ;) <> YEAH!!! Twirl the pen, click click ... ;) <<If you're STILL amazed, you might want to consider a field other than engineering>> Heyyy, now ... ;) I'm from a small town, and *anything* is amazing to me ... the whole Internet still amazes me. ;) <<You can't, your boyfriend has already taken that name.>> Oh, right ... ;) <<Those are SO the same thing ;-)>> So true!!! Mmmm ... :) <<All hail the fuzzy white ball with glasses!>> And the cute ears!!! You can't forget those! ;)

Spacebabie> wink wink ... :)
Ravyn
Monday, November 26, 2001 07:25:17 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

*****Dumb Question I Know*****
I just discovered this website a couple of months ago and since then I've been reading the fanfic...(my question is)
Do the TGS staff have any future plans to continue TGS, particularly Dark Ages???

No Body.....
Monday, November 26, 2001 07:08:12 PM
IP: 172.181.2.92

*****TIMEDANCER QUESTION****

as ive said before, ive been reading through timedancer. just a question (im in the middle of Games without frontier)

Who was the incredible adversary that the humans fought? it just says "incredible enemy" was this the space spawn? or what? I NOTICED THE WORD "TERRAN"!! I SEE THAT THE WRITING STAFF PLAYS STARCRAFT :) :) :)
NukesGoBoom
Monday, November 26, 2001 05:48:16 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

blues eyes white dragon- on useast i have a 99 amazon, 93 amazon, 85 sorc, 82 sorc, and various other characters above level 70. i play starcraft too, but now i am getting into counterstrike, a mod for half-life.
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 26, 2001 04:17:49 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

NukesGoBoom:>Here are all my characters: Realm US East: L38 Assassin, L6 Sorceress, nad a L6 Amazon. Open Battle Net: L11 Assassin, 41 Sorceress, 31 Amazon, and a L30 Barbarian. All on Diablo 2 Expansion. I also play Starcraft. I online about 3 hours most weekday 3PM to 6PM.

Blue Eyes White Dragon - [Flamedramon12@aol.com]
Winter Park, FL, USA
Monday, November 26, 2001 04:08:12 PM
IP: 24.27.227.39

josh - sorry, im not one of those a$$holes who "pulls the plug" when they start to lose. i heard they had a hack out like could do it for you, but with the recent arivasl of a new patch, i doubt that those who use it could make it work. besides, i have a cable modem. however, i had the same thought in mind when i read that you played brood war, but i didnt say anything cause i didnt want to piss you off. anyway, it looks like you are asking for a 1v1. how 'bout it?

anyway, zerg is the most played race out of the 3, at least that is what it was before the latest patch. you cant really argue there. i think it might be 'toss now, especially after what they did to the sunken colony! :(

shadowrider- terran player? you must be highly skilled to defeat zerg and protoss players with goliaths and other "troops" (im assumming you used air units also). would you like to play a 1v1? i want to see what stratagy you use :)

Blue EyesWhite Dragon- what is your highest level character in diablo 2? do you play alot? do you need anything? i got TONS of uniques, sets, etc. im saving up for a windforce, i got 22 sojs alredy , i need 40 :(
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 26, 2001 03:07:08 PM
IP: 24.4.252.36

*falls in*

taking a short breather.
the current debate looks interesting...
I know the "Red Sea" bit; heard it in one of my classes the other day.
It wasn't parted; it didn't have to be. It was onyl, like, 4 or 6 inches deep. All the chariots got stuck; that's how all of Moses's people got away. They were on foot and not weighed down, but the wheels of the chariots sunk into the morass and the horses balked at crossing.

Now I know I'm back at school; my hands are bleeding from art-working again. :P

*Out*
Lynati
Monday, November 26, 2001 02:54:36 PM
IP: 207.221.70.182

I'm back from vacation... I had a great turkey day. It was cold and rainy. :) At least we left for home on Saturday instead of Sunday. Even with the rain it was only a 6 1/2 hour drive. Had we left on Sunday we would probably still be on the road.

JOSH: "There's a reason I don't join the Gathering staff...I'm way too busy." Hmmm, I wouldn't have guessed that as the reason. I think you find it safer to just sit back and bitch about every little friggin' detail. It's a safe way to talk big and know nothing.

"what I do know is that slightly modifying a cgi-script should be easy for someone who's working with them. I know this because I live with three programmers, two of which have extensive backgrounds in web-work. *I* can't do it myself, I'll admit." Oh... so you don't know anything... you just talk down to people who know just as much as you do (Perhaps even MORE than you do) to try to make yourself look like you actually know something?

"I'm not criticizing Siryn for having trouble modifying the script at all." Then maybe you should stop talking down to her like she doesn't know anything. Way to back her up, rip up her self confidence... good job, Josh. ::rolls her eyes::

"Even if I have to go to law school and become a lawyer to do avoid it" You had better start studying precidents then.

"I suggest you take your jealous butt back to school" I wouldn't dare say that Patrick is jealous of you at all. Why would he be?

"Just out of curiosity, when have you ever seen me say that I WOULD do something" You never offer to do ANYTHING. It would take time out of your whining.

... now I see you are saying that you aren't going to comment on it anymore... I seriously doubt that you will hold true to that.

PATRICK - I doubt Josh with either "Put up" or "Shut up" I am sure he will have uneducated opinions of everything Siryn posts about. He just doesn't feel happy unless he is undermining someone's hard work. Maybe he should be a lawyer after all.

CHRISTINE - Bickering... don't have a holiday without it!

Top 10 things I am thankful for:

10. My truck is nearly paid for
9. My house
8. Having enough money to stay home and raise my kids myself
7. Gargoyles and the people it has brought into my life.
6. Endless supplies of fun and interesting friends!
5. My harem!
4. My husband and his undying support and devotion
3. My kids
2. Being an American1. God
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Monday, November 26, 2001 01:42:23 PM
IP: 63.28.181.19

Spacebabie:> Not yet, I'm a senior at Lake Howell. I'm thinking of going to UCF.

Anyone here like Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, or play the Yu-Gi-Oh! card game Duel Monsters?
Blue EyesWhite Dragon - [Flamedramon12@aol.com]
Winter Park, Fl, USA
Monday, November 26, 2001 01:34:45 PM
IP: 169.139.180.45

Each and every single one of you, well, those that beLIEve in it, do the "pick and choose" bible!
And I will prove this.

First, the best- Jesus' Virgin Birth.
As we all know today's xtian bible was retranslated from King James', back in 16whatever. The dayz when ppl spoke that old english crap. Now, the old testament was written in hebrew and the new in greek. Jesus' "virgin" birth was originally recorded in greek which read something like- "Jesus was born to Mary, young and not married."

Translate that into old english, during the repressive dark ages- Young, unmarried girl equals- Virgin. Not "I didn't have sex, virgin."
It's called teen pregnancy, kid!!!
I'm not tryin to discredit the bible, but *most* things were not done outside of science. Like the parting of the red sea, the flood, fire from the sky, resurrection of the dead (cpr), the taliban....
John Ashcroft aka JackaL - [NinEltwEnty3@aol.com]
Kabul, AfGhaNistaN
Monday, November 26, 2001 01:11:02 PM
IP: 64.12.103.38

We are The Champions!

UCF beat Lousianna-Layfette 31 to zip.

Hmmmm right now the hose smells like bannana bread.

My brother IS an idiot. He thought "Of Human Bondage" was a porno book, well of course so did Buffy but my brother isnt as cool.
Carolynn Marie>>> About the Turkey, Here here. Of course now we are trying to being creative with the Turkey, making Turkey stir fry and Turkey ala king.

Ravyn>>>“ I am invincible” wink wink.

Blue Eyes White Dragon>>>Another Floridian. Just a little curious if your in college yet. I attend the University of Central Florida myself.

Daphne>>> Hey welcome back from the land of Lurkers.

Mooncat<<<Huh? You mean like David Copperfield? Professional stage magicians? God has a problem with stage magicians? >>> Well I have a problem with David Copperfield myself, but that’s because he is David Copperfield. I find other magicians like Penn and Teller to be really cool.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Monday, November 26, 2001 12:34:52 PM
IP: 67.25.53.204

Josh> <<Yeah, but it doesn't seem to make it any less effective.>>
Plus, it puts blind faith in Science, which is a really bad thing to put blind-faith in since it's rules are set down by man.
<<and those poeple are SCARY>>
I just want their hats. They have the coolest hats in the world. :P
Government spreading virus> Don't you know that terrorists and communists and liberals are out there?! They have to be rooted out and exterminated for the sake of freedom and Jesus. If you dare question what the Government is doing (even though it is taking away your right to privacy), you obviously aren't American and are a communist and an atheist. We have no room here in America for you atheist communist liberals because God loves only capitalism. You obviously don't appreciate the freedoms you once had. Why don't you go to Amsterdame and see what opression is? Damn commie
metaldmeon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Monday, November 26, 2001 10:32:58 AM
IP: 129.120.255.222

oops, forgot...

Shadowrider> okie dokie =) *hugs*
Jan
Monday, November 26, 2001 08:08:58 AM
IP: 12.110.236.120

Mooncat> <<God has a problem with stage magicians?>> *chuckles* ohgoodgrief no. It's when people perform their "tricks" and then proclaim it's from God.
<<also evident in other belief systems besides Christianity>> I don't know about other religions because I only practice Christianity. I know some things about certain others, but nothing detailed.
God doesn't just poof people around - there are lessons to be learned and such. God was a much harsher God in the Old Testament and His heart was softened with the birth of His Son, Jesus. In the old testament you're dealing with a lot more superstitions and traditions than what was going on in the New Testament. Different times required a different way of handling the people. Anyway, I'm still too much asleep to go any further with this right now.

Metaldemon> sorry babe, didn't mean to imply that YOU were the one doing the pick and choose Bible. I should have stated that more clearly. sorry!
<<My point, if one wants to fully abide by God's law, the only poeple who have done it are ultra-orthodox Jews. >> actually no.. there are several other religions that have stuck very closely if not exactly to all of the customs, teachings, and rules of the Bible. The ultra-orthodox Jews are just more commonly known.
<<Because I believe that some of the laws make so much sense, and others not.>> That's where the customs come into play.. the ones that really don't make sense and contradict themselves are of man. God is not confusing nor contradicts.

Anyway, I'm no longer going to debate this topic. It really serves no purpose. Everyone has their own beliefs and I doubt if anyone is going to change their mind by these "debates". Besides, I'm sleepy. *L*

Was called out at 2:30am for a dress-out. Some gal who looked very frightened. I don't know what her charges are, I'll check it out this morning when I get to work. I think I'll check on her as well. Something about her touched a heartstring within me. We'll see......

*drags body to work*
Jan
Monday, November 26, 2001 08:07:22 AM
IP: 12.110.236.120

Hi people! Must run to lesson, so just a few lines!

Josh:> <<9 hours driving>> Not that great endurance, huh, dude? ;)
<<Bad news: its already out. >> But they're not delivering finished production models, as far as I know.
<<Link me dude>> All right. You can find some good news at http://www.eurofighter.pso-online.com/index_dom.php

Jan:> <> Not in particular...If I was referring to you, be sure I was going to make it in a reply directed specifically to you. No, I was just making a general consideration on a behaviour I noticed in almost all the believers I happen to know. Ok? :)

Gah! I'm late! see everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Monday, November 26, 2001 04:01:13 AM
IP: 213.213.100.92

I just drove in from LA, and boy are my arms tired.

Yes, you read that right. My arms are tired because they've been sitting on a steering wheel for 3 hours straight. Our drive took us NINE HOURS! NINE! I guess its karma kicking our butts for driving down in only 4.5 hours, but oh my god traffic was SOOOOO bad on the 5 north. And the flashing "slow down, holiday traffic" signs were the things CAUSING the traffic (everyone has to stop and look at them).

So that was my day. I left home at noon and pretty much just got in.

My apartment is freezing, my bathroom smells funny (it flooded before we left and the towels acquired quite the mildew-y stench - they're in the wash), and I have to unpack, and I'm just not happy.

I hate this city...but after that long of a car ride, I'm glad to be SOMEWHERE.

Ooh and Starcraft for OS X is out!

In other news: the FBI is developing a virus that will go on EVERYONE'S computer (virus software companies will purposely leave them out so they can continue running) and log your keystrokes, search your hard drive, and send all your goodies back to the FBI. The days of privacy are over folks.

And how does the virus get in? By exploiting holes in microsoft software, of course. Kind of makes me wonder if the government has a slight conflict of interest in this anti-trust suit.

Replies!

Wingedbeast: <<I'm wondering how the tragedy of September 11th will affect the storylines>>: We've actually already debated this in here. Its highly unlikely that TGS will put it in their stories, not to mention the fact that I think they're a year or two behind the reall world anyway, so they have plenty of time to make a final decision.

Fleur: <<see, I let you be on top this time>>: Kinky. Thanks. <<You just want the fancy name>>: Yeah, pretty much. <<from the person who was apparently PART of that threesome>>: Hmmm, sorry I missed that. <<a person in that top would have to be clearly insane>>: Insane chicks are more fun. <<Free board>>: For a brief period of time. After that I start charging rent...in one form or another. <<set it up so they can redo their vows>>: Ugh, like it wasn't enough to promise your soul once...they have to do it again!? <<it sounds kinda like kids in the playground>>: That's exactly what its like. <<See now you're just teasing me. *pouts* I wanna be offensive, dammit!>>: Try not shaving for a few weeks. <<Especially given my latest set of fics have passed the 100 page mark. Writer's Gigatism, who me?>>: The only fic I've ever written is approaching 200 pages. <<knowing some drug-addicted cretin has been in your house without your knowing, or permission>>: How do you know he was on drugs?

Todd: <<all that you have to do to make them behave themselves is to threaten their action figures>>: I bet Buffy never figures that out. <<Somebody should tell Xander that Dungeons and Dragons rulebooks aren't the most reliable guide to Hellmouth critters>>: What are you talking about!? I catch up on events in the show simply by reading my Monstrous Manual (TM)!

Wilek: <<Anyone else want to invite Willow to their Christmas party?>>: Only if she dresses like she did when she was a vamp.

Warpmind: <<soon, Geologically speaking, at least>>: LOL a.k.a. NEVER. <<Does that include the Old Testament>>: Does what? <<It's the MILITANT belief or disbelief that causes problems>>: I try not to think of myself as militant...just...prodding. <<the Bible doesn't even debunk it.>>: True, it just doesn't condone it.

Nukes: <<Dont tell me you guys are all protoss players...*shakes head* or... terran *laughs*>>: Did you really expect that everyone in here would play Zerg? Three races, millions of players...the odds aren't good that we'd ALL play Zerg. <<seriously thought, starcraft is a great game, anyone wanna play some?>>: I bet you're one of those twerps that pulls the plug when you start to lose.

The Wizard: <<they've finally cloned the first human embryo>>: Ah, crap.

Mooncat: <<without any indication of work or merit on his part to deserve it>>: Actually they made it pretty clear that it was in his blood. <<wondering what the point of the rest of the game was if the winning depended on grabbing the snitch>>: Der, if no one catches it, then the other points matter. And I've never even read the book...but I am SO going to. <<all things are true>>: Don't I wish. <<t seems to me if God were all powerful, he could just have popped the Hebrews out of Egypt without all the muss and fuss>>: Oh but "god works in mysterious ways" ;-) Phooey ;-) <<God has a problem with stage magicians?>>: Anyone that marries Claudia Schiffer has to go to hell in my book for being a ripe bastard ;-)

Metaldemon: <<Because I believe that some of the laws make so much sense, and others not>>: Ooh I definitely agree with you. But I would have trouble subscribing to a religion that even in passing forbids these things that I like. <<if one wants to fully abide by God's law, the only poeple who have done it are ultra-orthodox Jews>>: And those people are SCARY. <<Gosh, I'm tired of hearing that default argument>>: Yeah, but it doesn't seem to make it any less effective.

Shadowrider: <<playing with someone who lives in USA would imply that I would be forced to play at 4 am>>: There are lots of starcraft players up at ALL hours, I've discovered. <<as long as the F-22 doesn't come out>>: Bad news: its already out. <<if you are interested, I can send you something more about it>>: Link me dude. <<"Seawolf", like a new hunter-killer submarine?>>: Yup. Its a submarine theme with my computers ;-) I decided to skip the gargs stuff this time around.

Ravyn: <>: Scary, isn't it? <<Goldeneye. (Go, Boris!>>: I AM INVINCIBLE! <<I'm still amazed that every night, I can talk to a person thousands of miles away at the touch of a button>>: If you're STILL amazed, you might want to consider a field other than engineering ;-) <<I'm going to be sappy>>: You can't, your boyfriend has already taken that name. <<Not too many other countries would allow that>>: At least none that you'd want to visit ;-) <<Especially really sexy ones, or really *fast* ones>>: Those are SO the same thing ;-) <<Dilbert comics. A must for all engineers!!>>: All hail the fuzzy white ball with glasses!

DPH: <<did you get the email I sent to you yesterday?>>: Yes. <<To be revealed next week why he did so>>: No, TimeDancer will not premiere.

Jan: <<the magic that is done nowadays all done with tricks and slight of hand.>>: Just for that, when you least expect it, I'm gonna turn you into a newt. <<if they are trying to entice someone to pay for the premium channels, shouldn’t they show NEWer shows? Yeah buddy, I’m gonna’ sign up for this and pay $50 to watch movies that I saw about a zillion years ago. Not>>: they don't want to piss off the people that ARE paying for it. Like me ;-) Oh, and what were you referring to when you said that i hope I get laid soon?

Sorow: <>: SJ and I will make sure to bring plenty to G2k2, then.

Okay folks I'm really tired. Good nite.

Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin. -John Von Neumann, 1951
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley (again!), CA, US of A
Monday, November 26, 2001 02:46:49 AM
IP: 64.161.26.222

Like. What is up? And stuff...

I'm going to report on a disturbing fact tonight!!

°°°°°cue CNN's theme muzik for America's New War°°°
Osama Bin Laden, a name that's become all too familiar with us since the September 11th Terrorist Attacks on America.

But is America looking for the wrong person?

Is someone else to blame?

I remember in May of 1996, Demona attempted to launch her own attack on America, and the world.

Maybe these two masterminds are in league?
Let's look at what they have in common-

Both are brutal dictators who have lead their ppl to death.
Demona's clan was the gargoyle Tailban!!
Both are willing to die for their beliefs....., but only one can die.
Demona is a one woman campaign of Terror and stories that domesticate her are sickening!!
It's like taking the Jihad out of Osama.
Both have are responsible for mass destruction of property and lives!
Demona just looks better doing it.
Jihad Demona!!
John Ashcroft aka JackaL - [NinEltwEnty3@aol.com]
Kabul, AfGhaNistAn
Monday, November 26, 2001 02:34:06 AM
IP: 64.12.106.36

Hey I posted First! Guess it really does pay to stay up late! *winx* fades to stardust*
HailerStar
Monday, November 26, 2001 12:41:54 AM
IP: 207.42.162.190

Just a hailo from the edge of the world. I'm new here, only ever posted once. But I wanted to say hi to Archwolf and tell him I hope he has a great day tomorrow! Peace be to you all!
HailerStar
Monday, November 26, 2001 12:40:01 AM
IP: 207.42.162.190

*In*

I Lied. "real" post when I actually have time to do one. *sigh*

*To bed*
Lynati-the-stressed
Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:59:04 PM
IP: 205.185.0.44

Hey all. My email is back up.
Josh> Actually, we didn't have a lot of beer in the house that my brother wasn't drinking so we had to play dry. It was still fun though. I wouldn't have known what was going on if I was really drunk :)
SOROW - [allison.abadie@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:51:06 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

And more bible stuff...

Jan -- <<Magic in the Bible.. yes there was, I never said that there wasn’t. The magicians did match Moses for a while, but they couldn’t keep up with God ;)>>

Well, if they had, wouldn't they be gods too? Though I'm not sure "keeping up" even if they could would be good for anyone. Basically the "miracles" God was responsible for in Egypt were that of plague and pestilence. And all I can say about that is, ick much!

<<Besides, look what happened to them when they tried to defy God… hehe >>

Actually, "what happened to them" came off to me like acts of terrorism. I'm not saying the Egyptians were in the right, but it seems to me if God were all powerful, he could just have popped the Hebrews out of Egypt without all the muss and fuss. Instead, his modus of operation was plague after plague until the Pharoah let the Hebrews go. Sort of implies that even God needed the consent of the Pharoah, forced though it was, before the Isrealites could leave.

From what I gathered from reading the Bible, God hardened Pharoah's heart deliberately, so he could send more and more plagues, etc so that when Pharoah did relent, the Hebrews could leave with a lot of Egypt's physical wealth/goods -- which might be considered plunder. This is a recurring theme I noticed, the taking of plunder part.

<<Anyway, the acts of magic performed in the Bible was not condone by God.>>

I also noticed when these examples of magic were related in the Bible, at this point there was no mention of God wanting his people to take action against magic users, that comes a lot later in the book/history.

<<But the magic that is done nowadays all done with tricks and slight of hand. That’s what I was referring to – modern day magic. >>

Huh? You mean like David Copperfield? Professional stage magicians? God has a problem with stage magicians?

Anyhoo, I have an ending thought, the kinds of unexplained medical "miracles" like the laying of hands and healing through faith are also evident in other belief systems besides Christianity. Eastern religion, Paganism, etc, all have their similar occurances. I know a devote Pagan, who went in for heart surgery some years back, and clinically "died" seven times. But he's alive to day and we have a big party for him every year. Very nice, cheerful guy. Fabulous voice (he's male lead in a local celtic music group). He's a 'miracle' too. *^_^*

Each to his or her own.
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:14:24 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Jan> No I haven't changed the Bible to suit my "desires." I still believe that a lot of things are sins (lustful thoughts, greed, selfishness, revenge). I fall victim to a lot of sins. I never said I don't believe in the Bible. I believe in the creation story, I won't get a piercing or a tatoo (and I want both A LOT) because I believe it's destructive to the body, and I see the body as a temple where the soul dwells. Neither will I smoke or drink.
And to say something is custome is to make it not holy. Jews in the past died rather than eat pork. That's not custome, that's divine law.
Besides, by saying those laws are custome would technically be the same thing as me "changing the Bible to my desires." ~_^ One could argue that Gentiles changed the law to suite their desires so they wouldn't have to follow those pesky "customes."
My point, if one wants to fully abide by God's law, the only poeple who have done it are ultra-orthodox Jews.
And I guess that verse is open to interpretation.
Josh> <<But I never accept that there's no room for dumb luck, and I sure that someone, somehow, has a scientific explanation for it>> Gosh, I'm tired of hearing that default argument. ;).

metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:46:22 PM
IP: 129.120.255.222

metaldemon <<"God-given" laws>> most of what you mentioned was not laws of God but instead customs and traditions of mankind during that time period.
I understand a lot of what you’ve said and even might agree with a bit of it, except the homosexuality part, but that’s neither here nor there and I’m not going to discuss/debate it.
<<which basically says faith alone can save an individual.>> Having faith in God also means abiding by His word. Just saying that you believe in God and then not living as a Christian isn’t gonna’ cut it. ;)

What I have found to be interesting/ironic is that some people have said that they basically disbelieve most of the Bible because it has “man’s hand” in it but yet they will pick certain parts to believe in and then add some of their own interpretations to it and wa-la! You have a guide or “Bible” to follow for your beliefs. Haven’t you just done what has caused you to not believe in the Bible in the first place? Place your own hand in the interpretations? It seems as if you’ve added and subtracted to fit your own needs and desires.

Magic in the Bible.. yes there was, I never said that there wasn’t. The magicians did match Moses for a while, but they couldn’t keep up with God ;) Besides, look what happened to them when they tried to defy God… hehe Anyway, the acts of magic performed in the Bible was not condone by God. But the magic that is done nowadays all done with tricks and slight of hand. That’s what I was referring to – modern day magic.

Shadowrider> <> I don’t know if you are referring to me or not since I told Josh of the miracle that happened to my dad, but in case you are… I did not tell of this miracle to support my faith. I gave an example of what I considered to be a true miracle. I don’t need to “support” my faith. It’s what I believe in and am comfortable with. : ) If you weren’t referring to me…ummm… never mind! *chuckles*

Firestorm> there’s an ingredient in Sudafed (the “afed” part) that I’m not sure how to spell that is a prime ingredient in Meth. What they do is crush all of the tablets and then boil them in water. Eventually it will separate (the afed stuff and the buffers, coating, etc.) they will then skim off the afed stuff and use that as part of the meth. There’s also another ingredient that they use that is a preservative the farmers and ranchers use around here to keep their hay fresh while it’s baled. All of this is boiled to a crystal form. There’s other ingredients needed, but I’m not telling any more information ;)
Land around here runs about $3,000 an acre, I believe. If you buy on the lake the price increases. Some farm land can go as low as $1,500 an acre if bought in large quantity. Housing used to be pretty cheap around here, but in the past few years, it has skyrocketed. Old timers dying off, children selling the land, building huge expensive houses with the profits and driving the cost of housing (comps) higher.

The cable company has been running free HBO, Cinemax, Movie Channel this weekend… so far, I’ve noticed “Planes, Trains, and Automobiles”, “Congo”, etc. Ummm.. if they are trying to entice someone to pay for the premium channels, shouldn’t they show NEWer shows? Yeah buddy, I’m gonna’ sign up for this and pay $50 to watch movies that I saw about a zillion years ago. Not.

I’m not sick of turkey because I only eat it once as leftovers.

I put up some of the Christmas lights today but ran out them before I could cover the entire bush. Gosh, what used to cover all of my shrubs doesn’t even cover the 2 I have in the front yard now! Big suckers! *nods*
I’ve collected a few decorations and purchased some so that I can begin decorating the office tomorrow : )

Rayvn> drug runner, huh? They sure make a lot of money but the consequences are not worth it.,.. besides just being plain wrong to do. Nowadays runners carry the same stiff sentence as if they were the dealer themselves.
I agree with you about having GW Bush for president right now. Of course, I was glad to see him as the President anyway, but even more grateful now =)

Carolynn> I received your email and I look forward to reading the next one! ;) Great picture too! Wow, so many talented artists in the CR!!

Josh> no, I understood the point you were making – you didn’t get mine. *chuckles* ohwell… enough said about the subject, in my opinion.

DPH> I know what you mean about being a sound sleeper. I would go to school and find out the talk was about the horrible storm that had happened during the night… I always slept right thru it.

It’s suppose to turn a whole lot colder and have a chance of snow flurries by Wednesday. Yuch. I really do hate snow.

Time to close things down.. tomorrow is going to be a pain because of my 4 day weekend. The paperwork is going to be atrocious.
Jan
Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:04:23 PM
IP: 12.110.236.213

Metaldemon - That's the most original argument I have heard about homosexuality [translation problem], but you have not changed my mind. But you are confusing other things: it says if a woman is in the city and she does not scream out for help, she is lying (witnesses). But if she is in the country [no witnesses], she is taken to be telling the truth.

Imzadi - I haven't worked out the whole theory yet. Reason for acclerated time is to allow healing time to recover. BTW, did you get the email I sent to you yesterday? I checked out the acromyn engine off your website. I found interesting responses when I put in "love" and "hate".

**NANITES**
What about the nanites in 'Walkabout'? They know lots of stuff about the chemicals and how to combine them so it is feasible to have the nanites after a target based on DNA.

Warpmind - I prefer the more subtle approach. That way the organism can die a week later and it would be hard to trace it back to me.
**END NANITES**

Windged Beast - there was a discussion about that a while back.

*For no particular reason, DPH crosses his fingers about this upcoming week. (To be revealed next week why he did so)**

DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, November 25, 2001 09:07:12 PM
IP: 204.94.193.50

Greg Bishansky & the rest of the TGS staff >>> Hey, I realise that you guys are very busy right now, but I just wanted to ask if I'm going to recieve any sort of reply to my forwarded mail any time soon? And please accept my apologies if I come across as too impatient.
Lee Shaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Sunday, November 25, 2001 09:01:10 PM
IP: 212.134.26.181

hey all!
I've been lurking quite a bit lately (so, yeah, I am around... I can hear all those bad things you say about me :)
anyways... I hope everyone who celebrated had a good thanksgiving, and anyone who's observing has a good Christ the King sunday.
[re-reads last statement] ok, busted. yeah, yeah, I'm christian.... but I'm staying out of the religious debate!

God bless!

[lurking again]
Daphne
Sunday, November 25, 2001 07:48:02 PM
IP: 129.68.138.125

First for all hi everone, I found this site a few mouths ago and start to read all of the Gargoyles Saga. I'm a big gargoyles fan. I also like alot of different animes. Like Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Card Captors, and Dargon Ball Z.

NukesGoBoom:> I play Starcraft and Diablo 2.
Blue Eyes White Dragon - [Flamedramon12@aol.com]
Winter Park, FL, USA
Sunday, November 25, 2001 07:16:09 PM
IP: 24.27.227.39

*In*

Heyla, all. I'm back. Real post after I shower, find food, glaze eight of my sculptures, and do my last Lab experiment...
:P

*out*
Lynati
Sunday, November 25, 2001 07:10:48 PM
IP: 205.185.0.44

Back from my little trip home for Thanksgiving, everyone! Hope you all had a great holiday, and a good time. ;)

Jan> <<She is 17 and he’s 18 and they have 2 children.>> Oh, now *that's* depressing. I don't like to see people in those kinds of situations ... and I hate it more when children are involved. Man, at 17 and 18, I couldn't even *imagine* having to deal with 2 kids and an abusive husband! :( And they just busted up a Meth lab where I was from over the weekend too ... drugs just aren't good to mess with. And I believe a guy I know (friend of the family, my age, went to school with him since forever) is still doing time ... he was a drug runner, and was caught with bunches of cocaine and marijuana coming back from Mexico. :(

The Bible> I've read it from a religious standpoint, and read a few chapters from an historical standpoint ... both ways are fascinating. Although yes, as Greg W. and some others have said, you can see the hand of man in it ... but it's definitely good reading. :)

Video Games> Never played the games that most of y'all have mentioned ... but I'm a sucker for the James Bond shoot 'em up games, like The World is Not Enough, and my personal favorite, Goldeneye. (Go, Boris!) ;)

Ten Things I'm Thankful For This Thanksgiving (okay, so it's a little late, but here goes ...) ;)
10. George W. Bush. Can you imagine how current situations would be without a crazy Texan Republican in office, or without Colin Powell and the other members of W's cabinet? Sheesh ... ;)
9. The World Series. That was some *great* baseball. And of course, my guys the Diamondbacks won it all. ;)
8. The magic of being online. I'm still amazed that every night, I can talk to a person thousands of miles away at the touch of a button. It's just plain amazing. ;)
7. My friends. That includes all you guys ... yes, I'm going to be sappy this once and say that I love you guys. But I'll just say it once. ;)
6. Gargoyles. I can honestly say it's changed my life in a way I never thought possible. ;) Plus it was a darn good show too.
5. America. Where else could a crazy girl from Arizona learn to drag race, work on cars, be allowed to go wherever I want to, whenever I want to, and go to school to work on an engineering degree? Not too many other countries would allow that. I'm *really* thankful for that. :)
4. Having a place to sleep, and food to eat. And knowing that my loved ones also have places to sleep and food to eat.
3. Cars. Especially really sexy ones, or really *fast* ones ... mmmm ... ;)
2. Dilbert comics. A must for all engineers!!! :)
1. Guess. :) **grabs Coyote and kisses him back** Yep, I'm thankful for a very special, wonderful guy in my life. ;)

Well, catch y'all later! :) **kisses Coyote again, dragging him out of the CR with her**
Ravyn
Sunday, November 25, 2001 07:02:35 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

WARPMIND - Actually, "Emrys" is the Welsh form of "Ambrosius", and not a separate name at all.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, November 25, 2001 06:57:42 PM
IP: 63.183.39.208

Ok, I got a few minutes for a couple of replies...

Josh & Nukes:> <Starcraft> Well, guyz...as I said, I am a old-time player of both StarCraft and BroodWar. My preferred race is...Terrans! Yes, believe it or not, it is so...I really like their flexibility. Especially with the improvements of BroodWar. Although Protoss are not bad, Terrans are my preferred...and I have seen many proud Protoss and Zerg fortress falling in ruins under my troops assaulting. For units...hmm...I always had a crush on the Goliath...although, Infested Kerrigan...;). Playing online? Nothing could please me more...actually, it was one of my preferred things before I left for military service...but right now I have no time. Furthermore, playing with someone who lives in USA would imply that I would be forced to play at 4 am so that my opponent can play at 22 PM...it is a too big advantage...;). Well, seriously, right now I am too busy...maybe in a few weeks, when things are supposed to relax a bit. For example, in Christmas break?

Fire Storm:> <Queen> Well, I can tell you that Freddy died in the 24th of November of 1991...I will never forget that. Hey, I didn't know that thing of "City of Stone"...probably went lost in Italian dubbing (you understand why I hate dubbings and prefer original editions?)
<<1024 machines>> Practical...;)

Josh:> Well, about the "watchmaker" issue..well, it is not so simple. Zero field hypotesis is of mathematical nature more than physical...anyway, if will ever turn out that there is a technology and/or a physic law that can explain that in another way, I will review my ideas. But not a moment before!
<<Typhoon>> Yes, there is a fighter jet called Typhoon. New fighter of several European air forces, a single-seat, twin-engines multi-purpose fighter produced by a consortium of German, English, Spanish and Italian industries, with extremely advanced fly-by-wire systems. Probably the best fighter on the market, as long as the F-22 doesn't come out (and even after the F-22 will come out, there will be doubt on what is best, IMHO). Hey, if you are interested, I can send you something more about it. And why do you call your laptop "Seawolf", like a new hunter-killer submarine?
<<It's always "and jews".>> Sad, but true.
<<Queen>> You say that, friend!

Fleur:> <Queen> Hey, I am glad you like their music too! Seems like they have quite a share of fans into here. I eventually agree on what you say about Freddy's death.
<< Ah, another religious debate. I had my own opinion on this written up, then Shadowrider basically nailed where I stand on a lot of things, so I'm not going to be repetative. >> Argh! I'm sorry I spoiled your comment, especially since you had already written it. Why don't you post it the same? After all, for sure there will be some differences from what I said...and reading your words could allow me to focalize better what I think myself. Like my Roman ancestors used to say, "Repetita iuvant", repetitions help!

Niamhgold:> I will wait for it eagerly! :)

Metaldemon:> Why what you said is supposed to piss anyone off? I found it very interesting, and I eventually agreed with some of the considerations expressed. There were mentioned also a lot of things I didn't know, and I'm always happy to learn new things.

All for now. See you all!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Sunday, November 25, 2001 06:22:15 PM
IP: 213.213.103.211

***********************BIBLE AND GAYS STUFF****************
Josh> *sighs* I'll probably piss a lot of poeple off with what I am about to say, but I really don't give a crud. Some of what I say is necessary tomy argument,and others unecessary; I put a lot of thought into this over the years and this is what I have arrived at.
Yes, the Old Testament forbids anal intercourse between two men. At the same time, however, the bible says to not shave your beard or round the corners of your head. The bible says to kill anyone who works on the sabbath (which is Saturday, not Sunday); can't eat pork; can't mix two seeds in the same field; if a woman says she is raped but there are no witnesses, then she is to be taken as a liar.
Why is it that all these "God-given" laws are not observed? Surely a good chunk of the American population goes to buy pork and razors right after their hair cut. Like Greg W., I believe that their are some human elements to the bible (i.e. the deal the raped woman, sex between two men, etc.) and I believe some are from God (i.e. no fornication, the ten commandments, etc.) Why? Because I believe that some of the laws make so much sense, and others not. Why is fornication prohibited? Because a good part of the time it leads to promiscuity, which is bad in itself since sex is taken as something sacred and special between two poeple; it's the joining of fleshes to become one. When someone becomes promiscuous, sex is no longer special.
I think if someone is straight and they have sex with a man, then it is wrong and a sin (everyone in those times was believed to be born straight); however, a person such as myself, who was born gay (the psychological theory was banned by the American Medical Association and countless other psychological organizations since being gay is not a psychological "defect" or problem; only Christian psychologists believe it is a psychological problem, despite the evidence dissproving that theory), can be with another man...to my beliefs, that is.
Now St. Paul comes into the picture. St. Paul apparently says homosexuality is a sin. Well, the term that he uses is "Cadamite," which, in Paul's time, was used to denote men who keep boys as sex toys. You know what? That is wrong! I think the stuff men did with boys is flat out wrong and disgusting.
To continue. During the times of Martin Luther, "cadamite" translated to "masturbator." Further on, during the comtemperory era, the word "homosexual" was coined in the 19th century; all of a sudden, "cadamite" became "homosexual." o_O Go figure. Do I smell translation with an agenda? I know I do.
On another note, I was gay before I was baptaized at fifteen, and I was gay afterwards. I wanted deperatley to be baptized so I could earn God's grace; hell I was even going to be monk as soon as I could. I feel if God had a problem with it, He would have made me straight; either that, or my baptism didn't work. ^_^ Well, He didn't make me straight.
What about all those poeple who were converted to heterosexuality? Well, I think they were bi all along. Besides, one ofthe leading proponents who spear-headed the "gays-can-be-made-straight" campaign was caught at a gay bar. He said he went in to use the bathroom. Yet he hung out forty-minutes afterwards and was trying to pick-up some guy. Hmmmm....
OK, let's say everone of my arguments is flat out wrong; John 12:44-50 is my saving grace, which basically says faith alone can save an individual.
Anyways, this is just what I believe in. If no one likes what I say, fine; I don't feel like arguing.
*********************************END************************

metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, November 25, 2001 05:39:12 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

JAN< Hey, hon :) Can you send me your email address?

Hope everyone's holidays were wonderful ... and ten bucks says everyone is up to here with turkey already?
Carolynn Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Sunday, November 25, 2001 03:02:15 PM
IP: 152.163.206.211

Christine - Read your Harry Potter fan fic, *^_^* . Really liked the character Ophidia Winterwind. I've always had a soft spot for Severus Snapes, I hope she's gentle with him. *wg*

Saw the Harry Potter Movie last night. Loved the Monster's Inc promo before the movie *^_^* -- The movie itself had some lovely CGI, but I found the plot rather flat. I was with a group of friends and those that had read the book really liked it, and the ones who hadn't thought it was mediocre.

I read the books, and I liked seeing the movie, but I was a bit disappointed that the script didn't build up the plot. Everything was fairly obvious and Harry just sort of fell into being best at everything without any indication of work or merit on his part to deserve it.

I think they could of speeded up the pace of things, and then used the time left over for some more school scenes showing Harry getting closer to Ron and Hermione, and that the school work aspect of Hogwarts actually being... work.

I liked the Quidditch a lot, except the fact that Harry won the snitch and the game so easily. My friends who hadn't read the books were put off by that scene, wondering what the point of the rest of the game was if the winning depended on grabbing the snitch. Very difficult to explain the other factors of the game to them since they didn't read the books. *~_~*

I loved Norbert. Pity there was only a tiny scene with him.

As a whole, I really enjoyed the movie, but mostly because I'd already read the books and it was a treat to see the live action presentation of the highlights. But I doubt I'll see it more than the once. I think Monsters Inc. was a better movie, and plan to see it at least one more time (making three) before it goes off the big screen.

The Bible and Magic. Well, been reading through the bible lately. It does make mention of magic that has nothing to do with the Hebrew/Christian God. There were the magicians of Egypt, who could duplicate the acts of Moses. And other instances. I must say, I am not favorably impressed with the characters/persons in the Bible, or its God. Rather prone to bad behavior all around, with self interested justification for their actions. No better or worse than the gods and people of the Greek myths/legends, or the Norse, etc... But the read itself is interesting and I'm mainly reading the book as research and reference for fan fiction, the same as I do when I research gods of other mythos.

I'm a believer myself, in gods and magic. But I don't think it's an exclusive subject, one god/gods or one magic system being the be all and end all. I'm more a "all things are true" (and open to interpetation) kind of believer.

Well, those are my thoughts for the morning (or afternoon)... got to get the house work done.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, November 25, 2001 02:44:00 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

** Niamhgold enters **

I hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving :) I know I did, and best wishes to all!

Shadowrider: Thanks for the emails! I'll reply as soon as I finish work :)

And, in other news...they've finally cloned the first human embryo ("officially", that is. I don't doubt it's already happened in private labs). Still, it's interesting, and here goes a whole _new_ tangent in the media ;)

Adios for now, all!
Niamhgold
Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:37:31 AM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Dont tell me you guys are all protoss players...*shakes head* or... terran *laughs*. seriously thought, starcraft is a great game, anyone wanna play some?

Does anyone here play other games beside starcraft, like diablo 2 or half-life or one of its mods like counter strike or team fortress? maybe we could play a game.
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Sunday, November 25, 2001 09:39:10 AM
IP: 24.4.252.36

*Warpmind enters, equipped for the occasion with the Buckler of Swashing.*
Merry day, everyone. Saw Harry Potter on Friday... read Christine's fanfic today... Now I want to write a fanfic of my own there... Õõ The worst bit is, I have much of the plot ready, too... Anyway...

Silvadel: Now THAT makes more sense... Hmmm... 'Tis odd, come to think of it... I may be less Water than I initially estimated... I can't swim all that well, I don't drink much (fluids in general, not necessarily alcoholic ones) and I rather despise rain... Hmmm... Oh, well... Air and Fire, more likely, with a dab of Earth... Odd, that, how a few small glimpses of insight can radically change your outlook... :S

Todd: Actually, the making the Pevensies American was something I mentioned - and that's not a rumor, that's a fear I named. I hope the thought hasn't crossed Disney Exec minds yet...

DPH: I still say use macroscopic weapons that the victim can see, but not elude. More tormenting that way, havin'im face inevitability for a few hours before he goes boom... };)

Gside: Alas, I haven't gotten around to getting on with Goldenboy yet... but I shall, and soon. (Well, soon, Geologically speaking, at least...) And I said chafed around the ankles and wrists, 'cause that's where the ropes go, ya pervert. };)

Josh: Does that include the Old Testament, as well? Think carefully before you answer that. ;)

(On that note, I have no problems with belief or disbelief. It's the MILITANT belief or disbelief that causes problems...)

Jan: Actually, as far as the Bible being filled with facts and history... I beg to differ. I'm not going to debunk the Bible, far from it, but I say most of what's there has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Primarily because it was first passed on orally for generations before it was written down, and as such, interpretations and misunderstandings have been in effect. Take for instance the Reed Sea/Red Sea matter as an example... as for Magic being created in fantasy stories... Nope. It's in the Bible, too. And the Bible doesn't even debunk it.

Greg: Very well, not greatest, but it IS the unbeatable all-time bestseller. ;)

Todd: Merlin didn't have a middle name? I thought that was Emrys... *Ponder* or is that... naaah, the full name "Merlin Emrys Ambrosius" CAN'T be a TGS fabrication... can it?

Christine: By coincidence, I mentioned your Harry Potter fanfic at #Callahan's on IRC... It seems you name is fairly well known there, 'cause when I mentioned the title, there were "Oh Dear"s, "Eeeew"s and "Eeeek"s aplenty... Methinks you COULD have picked a more unsuggestive title, considering your, shall we say, track record? };)

Fire Storm: No ASCII. Decent quality pictures. (Well, relatively speaking, anyway...) Only beef I have with the game is that it's internal speaker only... As for Benki... Check Gside's translation. It's accurate. Or check out ANY Japanese to English dictionary. It's not slang. ;)

Well, that about finishes my post... I'm off to church in a little while... workday there again; been a while since last time. (Ever since mom got the job on a regular basis, I've only stepped in when she's been away...) Same old story... light candles, read a few texts, count the people and gather up the offerings afterwards before locking up... Can't really complain; it pays well. ;) (And no, the church here does NOT ban Harry Potter. The minister's wife was at the front of the line, even.)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, November 25, 2001 08:48:15 AM
IP: 193.217.201.129

Todd> <<Gender-changing spells, shrinking and growing spells, making sheep appear out of nowhere, turning people into anthropomorphic fruit>> Anyone else want to invite Willow to their Christmas party? >:)
Wilek
Sunday, November 25, 2001 07:56:36 AM
IP: 216.65.106.130

* BUFFY SPOILERS FROM LAST NIGHT*

The revelation that really got me in this one was the indication that Buffy isn't quite human any more (I should have known that there'd be more dark consequences to what Willow did than just the horror of being yanked out of Heaven), and now Spike can attack her without that chip in his head stopping him. I certainly hadn't seen that one coming.

Amy's finally back to normal (I'd almost forgotten about her, in fact). I'm beginning to feel that a twelve-step program may not be enough to handle Willow now (or Amy either); after the way that they went into action at the Bronze, there may need to be more desperate measures. Gender-changing spells, shrinking and growing spells, making sheep appear out of nowhere, turning people into anthropomorphic fruit - we may be heading for a real crisis here.

The "Sunnydale Stooges" are at it again (I wonder what they want with the diamond). They really need to improve their equipment if the main thing that a freeze-ray freezes is itself (it reminds me a bit of that disintegrator gun that Daffy Duck was armed with in the Buck Rogers parody that he did once, which disintegrates itself when activated). And the menace that they pose to Sunnydale may not be so great after all if all that you have to do to make them behave themselves is to threaten their action figures. :)

I was quite surprised to see that Tara's still around; I was expecting her to be out of the series for good after breaking up with Willow. But it makes sense that somebody should be looking out after Dawn.

Somebody should tell Xander that Dungeons and Dragons rulebooks aren't the most reliable guide to Hellmouth critters. :)

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, November 25, 2001 06:57:48 AM
IP: 168.191.109.36

Hey all. Last week was busy for me - got called in to work and it was insane. Plus my dad got sick. He'd been having all these tests because a medical found blood in his urine, and they finally worked out it was a hernia, then his digestive system exploded two nights ago (note: it is NOT fun to be 90% and have your mum knock on the door and say 'The ambulance is coming for your dad now') He's fine now, and they even ended up cancelling the ambulance. It was either food poisoning or just a stress reaction, so the worst damage was to the rest of the family's nerves. :)

Dark Prince of Vinyl> >Yeah RIGHT.< Hey, don't bag the 9 month old out of it. Only rebuttal he could give is a burp. :) >Alright, but only if you're nice...I kind of like being on top too.< I'm nice... see, I let you be on top this time! >No, I'm an editor working for free for one person.< You just want the fancy name ;) >This coming from one of the people who was discussing my potential three-somes.< No, this coming from the person who was apparently PART of that threesome. :) >Well my current interest has flat out refused three-somes, so THERE!< I'm devestated. :P >But I bet she'd look even hotter. No, not in orange. Black, maybe.< And without the frill. Although, from another perspective, she'd be even MORE frightening - after all, a person in that top would have to be clearly insane. >Maybe next summer. And don't forget to stop in whatever city I'm living in at the time!< Ooo! Free board! Just joking. Of course I'll pop in. >Is 4 feet.< According to some fanfics, Lexington is actually bigger than Goliath. Or do you mean height? ;) >I doubt that.< No, it's true. It's a genetic thing. My entire family is infamous for creatively destroying anything to do with computers. >If so, can you teach it to me? ;-) I gave in. I read the first one. It was... okay. I enjoyed it, can perfectly understand why kids love it so much, but I thought it was a little rough around the edges. Probably because the hype is making it out to be some sort of masterpiece, so my expectations were high. As for Harry being the devil, and all that other crap, that's freaking hilarious. Not just because it's so dumb, but because all it's doing is giving the books and the movie a truckload of free publicity. I wonder if WB deliberately hired a couple of people say stuff like that?

Spacebabie> >I hope they catch those bastards. And HUG.< Thanks. Actually, she told me something I thought was really sweet today. Her mother works as a chef, so she wasn't wearing her engagement ring that day, and the filth took that too. She's been saying she doesn't want it to be replaced, because it won't have the memories, but her dad's going to get it for her secretly, set it up so they can redo their vows, and surprise her with it. :)

Welcome Female Brooklyn and Unown!

Naimhgold> >Whoo, epinephrine boost!< Better than a sugar high. :) >Ever see the Edy's Ice Cream commercial where the grandmother lifts the car?< Nope. Does she do that to get to the ice cream? (I can understand that. :))

Jan> HAPPY (incredibly late - sorry) BIRTHDAY!!!! >sorry to hear about your friend’s house being broken into. I know that must feel like such an extreme violation… not to mention loosing things to theft. I hope that they catch the slimeballs and are able to recover any of the lost items.< It's awful, isn't it? We got broken into about six months ago, so we've been answering their questions ever since. You know, there are much better things I'd rather be an 'expert' on. :( >Heh, would you like to come walk my dog for me? ; )< *g* The dog now ADORES me, even if she comes home and sleeps for hours. > actually, yes they do, but I don’t remember it… < You're just saying that, aren't you, because you're not allowed to tell. ;) >*L* There are also secret “greetings” that one can do to a fellow member to identify themselves in public. It was hard to keep a straight face while they were demonstrating all of these things to me during the ceremony. While I embrace the values and objectives of the Eastern Star, I’m not one to take “secret handshakes, gestures, and passwords” seriously.< No offense, but it sounds kinda like kids in the playground. > We have the same thing in Boy Scouts in the Order of the Arrow division. They have a secret handshake and a password… I never could remember any of the passwords, so I made my own up ;) Everything is based on Indian lore and names, so I would just make up some kind of variation of the words. Hehe They all knew me, so they would just laugh and let me into the room. < Oo, fun! And I guess you know what I meant by the last comment. >This guy could fart and his ass would speak more intelligent than his mouth.< *LOL!*

Gside> >> >Aw, and here I was hoping she got into it, leading into a massive lesbian orgy.< Well, that would have been fun too. Although it would have just been an 'Orgy'. 3 girls, 2 guys (after all, who do you think told us the difference between 'Explicit sex' and 'mainly concerned with sex' on the ratings? ;)). >Oddly enough, that's the basic plot of a combined Evangelion/Sailor Moon dojin out there.< Must have been one heck of a porn video. >Close enough, but it's mostly levitating arms (push your arm against a door jamb hard for a minute then relax it) and claw hands (clamp down on two extended fingers for a minute then relax them while the other person lightly massages them for a little, after that, your muscles won't want to extend).< *EG* Now I'm going to go out and find some hapless victims to try those tricks on... >They're organic molecules. There's a huge concentration of carbon< Yeah. They're essentially the same element though, only one is larger. So silicon-based muscles would be bigger, which may be why they're stronger, due to that whole area/power thing. I think I should check that, though.

Emambu> >*nods* something that has always annoyed me. I'm very raw as far as a fanfiction author goes so I would have liked more than four comments on my first fic. I think Archwolf is starting to understand this as well.< That's pretty much what got me started on this idea. There's quite a few writers out there who could use another pair of eyes to look over their work. Myself included. :) >I am most definitely interested; however, the unpredictability of RL has kept me as a freelance editor. I'd love to work on it a bit more often but I don't know if I can devote time. *shrugs* Time will tell, but I am interested. I try hard to be a good editor as well as thorough in all aspects.< That's fantastic! I hope to have the forms and a large chunk of the site finished by the end of this week. Time does seem to be the main problem. I think I'll try to work it so that people get 'matched' according to how much they write and how busy they are, as well as the type of work. >105lb mom getting her four year-old son's leg out from underneath a TV that she never would have been able to lift even on her best days *grins*< *g* Amazing what can be accomplished with the right incentive. >*growls* That's awful! Any luck catching the creeps?< Not yet, but it's still relatively early. >You want rant? I'll give you a rant. *takes a deep inhale that turns into a voilent cough. Pauses for a few seconds then smiles faintly* ok, maybe next time when I'm in a better frame of mind... ;)< *L* See now you're just teasing me. *pouts* I wanna be offensive, dammit! :D>I'm on the CR patch myself. The cravings are lessening but they just won't go away!< Maybe you should get a stronger patch. >No, I think it's just because you want to be on top. :)< Shh! Don't blow my clever excuse!

Mooncat> >Fleur, Mandolin, Jan, and everyone who's offered sympathies on my computer woes, thank you. Your empathy is appreciated.< You're more than welcome. Your experience reminded me to update my backups, which I should really be thanking _you_ for. (Especially given my latest set of fics have passed the 100 page mark. Writer's Gigatism, who me? :))

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOROW! Another one I got late - sorry! Hope things improve. :)

Welcome back Kaioto!

Ah, another religious debate. I had my own opinion on this written up, then Shadowrider basically nailed where I stand on a lot of things, so I'm not going to be repetative.

Jaden> >It's too bad about what happened to your friend. My mother lost a lot of personal items when our house was broken into when I was in high school.< That's the worst bit. Taking the stereo, or the TV is an inconvenience, but when it's jewellery, or even CD's, it a hell of a lot worse. That, and knowing some drug-addicted cretin has been in your house without your knowing, or permission.

Shadowrider> Queen were amazing, Freddy Mercury was incredibly talented, and his death was a terrible thing. The only good that came from it was that it made so many people aware of AIDS. That, and he's now officially a legend.

TTFN!

(Decided to add a quote this time - I'm in the middle of the book it came from, and it's oddly appropriate, given our latest debate.)

'We're talking about the world, Cecilia! As if the world were not a sensation! Maybe heaven ought to put an advertisement into the biggest newspapers at regular intervals: "Important announcement to all citizens of the world! It's not just a rumour: THE WORLD IS HERE NOW!"

'Through a glass, darkly' by Jostein Gaarder.
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Sunday, November 25, 2001 04:47:17 AM
IP: 203.25.148.63

Okay, I checked TGS a little earlier today and I see that they're working on new eps since the 16th. This makes me wonder, and I'm not quite sure it's alright to wonder this on a purely storyline level, but I'm wondering how the tragedy of September 11th will affect the storylines.

Essentially, the writers have two choices, and I can't think which is better. They can try and phase Gargoyles a little into the real world with this, giving us a bit of sympathy and help knowing that our favorite cartoon characters are feeling the same.

Or, they can ignore it, and declare that the Gargoyles universe never saw this example of how blindly destructive humans can be, giving us a nice respite from this portion of the real world. It wouldn't be too unprecidented. After all, there're no missing nights, big sleep, Fimbul Winter, or Aerie Building Castle in the real world.

This leaves me with a question... what would be best for the story, the writers, the readers, and just in general...?
Wingedbeast - [wingedbeast@hotmail.com]
Metamora, Illinois, USA
Sunday, November 25, 2001 04:47:06 AM
IP: 207.179.193.183

HEY EVERYONE!!! IMMA SOOO HAPPY!! MY REVIEWS ARE UP!!! ^^

if ya wanna see em!!! i'll post the link this time without forgetting. my girlfriend is also gonna do her own U2 album reviews, but she hasn't written them yet.
Terrky K - [srs@postmark.net]
Kansas
Sunday, November 25, 2001 02:59:21 AM
IP: 63.252.223.136

Hey folks.

Well, I'm trying to finish this dynamics assignment...jeez these problems are impossible. I'm so tired of this garbage, and I really don't think I'll ever apply it to real life. But since I'm an engineer, by saying I've effectively doomed myself to doing it forever.

And to top it off, its raining. HARD. I haven't seen it rain like this in LA in a long time. At least I have a net connection.

The good news is that I've finished all the upgrades to my brother's iMac. He's now using 10.1 full time and loving it. He's turned into quite the little mac head...I'm so proud.

I went to a great chinese place tonight with my parents: Manhattan Wonton Factory. Kind of a classy place in Beverly Hills...but GREAT food. And then we went to Tower and my parents bought me Spineshank, Disturbed, and the new Star Wars book. They spoil me when I'm home...I can live with that.

Jan: <<There's no scientific explanation for it and there's no room for dumb luck. Only divine intervention explains it>>: Alright, I'll confess that I can't explain that, at least the speed at which it happened. But I never accept that there's no room for dumb luck, and I sure that someone, somehow, has a scientific explanation for it. "Only divine intervention explains it"...doesn't. <<what does _your_ Bible or guide book say about the performance of miracles?>>: I think you missed the point completely. <>: Wow. That's a long time in an oven. I pity the turkey ;-) <<Best skate job award goes to Greg W!>>: Yeah, I agree. That's a pretty good job of not saying anything to piss off anyone. <<some day WE will be the old farts sitting around the dinner table having Thanksgiving dinner with family and friends>>: Speak for yourself. I plan to either be young forever or not live to see old age.

Metaldemon: <<I point some inconsistancies, which are avoided by him and never explained or are rebutted by saying, "Well, it says here in the Old Testament..." which means that he is only taught one side of the coin and not the other>>: But when I point out an inconsistency in the bible (I used to have a really good one where it contradicts itself directly...wish I could remember it), I get "but it says here in the bible"... How is that any different? Hey, and doesn't Christianity forbid homosexuality? <<that liberals put people before profit>>: Fools ;-)

Shadowrider: <>: Thanks! <<some of you will know him as "That damn gay". I don't care>>: Gah! Never! Queen is one of the greatest bands EVER. And SJ can shove it somewhere unpleasant if he doesn't agree with me. <<and logic wants that if there's creation there is also a creator>>: I disagree. I'm familiar with the "watchmaker" argument, but consider how primitive people call technology that they don't understand: "magic", or "signs of the gods". Perhaps it was created by a technology we don't yet understand. Or a law of physics we haven't discovered yet. <>: I wonder how people jump from a miracle (such as the resurrection of Jesus) to "don't eat milk with meat". <<the greates of miracles, meaning the harmony of the whole nature, regulated by its infinite laws, surrounds us>>: I agree. It is quite amazing that the laws of nature apply without fail all over the universe. <<the value of an action is changed by the fact that I did it in the name of my god, however I call it?>>: Okay, you got the point ;-) <<Typhoon like the nuclear submarine, or Typhoon like the fighter jet>>: The submarine. I called it that because I once saw a discovery show about how the Typhoon sub had 2 reactors, two props, two swimming pools, two of this, two of that, and 24 nukes. My tower has two chips, two hard drives, two 2-meg caches, and the equivalent of 24 64-meg RAM chips...Typhoon seemed appropriate. The name is...powerful. I wasn't aware there WAS a typhoon jet...and I'm widely considered to be an aircraft buff too! <<a fellow Starcraft player...En Taro Adun>>: "My Wife for Hire!" Oh no, wait. That's "My Life for Aiur"...I think ;-) <<preferred race and/or units?>>: Protoss. Preferred unit: cannon ;-) Do you play online? <<That is why I cannot explain the price differences>>: Hmmm, odd. <<from my limited POV, the roads of the world are a number that can be considered infinite>>: I see. <<and Jews>>: It's always "and jews".

Spacebabie: <<Tai Po>>: LOL funny. <<Looks like our lil brothers ARE very similar>>: No shocker there. <<At least in Shakespeare class they tell you what you miss a half point on>>: Oh, he'll tell me. He just didn't tell me over e-mail. I'll find out on monday when I get it back.

Nukes: <<Zerg own u>>: Bah.

Patrick: <<It's the rotating chair that's the recent aquisition>>: I'm jealous. I want. <<Please don't tempt me to come up with a statement using the words "punk" and "pitiful">>: Hey, its SJ's phrase, I just borrowed it. <<I'm just alluding to the well established Superfriends doctrine on this one>>: Ah, my bad. <<they've already got deals signed to make three more movies>>: Cool! That movie rocked.

DPH: <<That angel and his followers were thrown out of that universe into our own>>: Are you suggesting that THIS is hell? <<Why bother asking a question if you know you can't get the answer>>: He doesn't realize that you guys won't tell him anything. <<I'll make $$$,$$$.$$ off the lawsuits while you won't get any>>: Actually, I plan on signing on to the class action suits, while also getting the satisfaction of seeing them rot in jail.

Silvadel: <<Kind of makes the huge scale down a bit doesnt it>>: No, not really. <>: You didn't this time.

Gside: <<Mmm, cold turkey sandwitch>>: Wrong witch ;-)

Fire Storm: <>: Was LM thankful for this as well? <<Maybe she is an Angel>>: I'm hoping for vampire ;-) <<The Ambiguously Gay Duo?>>: One word: Schumacher. <<THEY WERE GROWTH SPURTS>>: Yeah, and I'm the queen of england. <<Just the death penalty>>: It would sure make his job easier, since he wouldn't be constantly catching the same crooks over and over. He might even take a vacation! But then again you can't give the death penalty to the criminally insane. <<they didn't give me super user authority>>: INterestingly enough, by default, root is disabled in OS X. You have to access it using sudo in terminal. <<the returning members get to lick it off>>: I pity them. <<As long as you don't let Starcraft control your actions>>: That would be foolish. <<ZERG RUSH>>: I HATE zerg rushes...but I usually manage to live through them. <<16x9 17" monitors>>: But that's 17" This is 22! That's...bigger. And yes, size does matter. <>: If you learn how to make G4's, there's some good money in it for you...Apple will pay you handsome to do one thing: not be as stupid as Motorola. <>: I believe that is the premise behind most porn scenes. <<Buffy does Berkeley>>: Why do I somehow doubt that I would get into that video? <<tell us exactly whats in it and how to make it>>: Yes yes, and where the cops AREN'T so we can distribute it effectively. <>: A grenade? That doesn't sound very safe. <<No porn, no extreme violence...>>: ...no thanks. <<a VERY good piece of work>>: That's the same guy!? Whoa cool. I loved that fic. <<Highlander>>: THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! That movie rocked. <<Another human bites the dust>>: Now if only she were driving a hearse while she said that...

Alright folks I'm going to sleep. I need to be up by the crack of noon tomorrow to drive back to Berkeley.

Pinky, you have the reasoning skills of a burlap sack. -The Brain, "Pinky and the Brain"
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Sunday, November 25, 2001 02:48:43 AM
IP: 206.170.218.209

I think I made 10th
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, November 25, 2001 02:04:24 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

This space should really go to someone who posts regulatly, but I can't resist. I'm only awake because I've been scraping my remains off the bottom of Tumerok boots in Asheron's Call for about 8 hours straight.

o.O

I think I obsesses a little too much when challenged by server lag and fireball-chucking monsters working in tandem.
Kaioto
Sunday, November 25, 2001 01:29:11 AM
IP: 65.96.67.57

NEIN!
Josh
Sunday, November 25, 2001 01:13:23 AM
IP: 206.170.218.139

little known Canadian traditions:

'Not canada, we're a happy land fully of snow and white fluffy bunnies. Every day at 5pm(eastern) everyone in the country goes outside and we sing our happy fluffy bunny canada song'
Fire Storm - [<--- the board I got this from]
Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:59:42 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Whoo. Wasn't even trying.

TOP TEN!
Infinity
Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:36:13 AM
IP: 208.158.57.239

TOp of the top toppers!

Pot Net!
Fire Storm
Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:33:40 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Fifth!!!!
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Williams Lake, BC, Canada
Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:33:07 AM
IP: 64.114.74.7

fancy, top ten!
Terrky
Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:26:45 AM
IP: 63.252.223.55

Top ten, maybe third!

---Emambu
Emambu
Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:25:10 AM
IP: 24.3.96.150

Second! Heehee! ;)
Dubble
Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:23:17 AM
IP: 195.92.194.12

1st!
silvadel
Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:21:00 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8