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Here's a piece of additional news: ABC is also considering dropping its Saturday morning line-up for news programs. It looks as if WB's soon going to be having the monopoly on network Saturday morning animation.

And I certainly share Sevarius Jr.'s disappointment over the possibility that FOX Kids' troubles could lead to no animated "Buffy" - I'd really been looking forward to seeing that series.

I've been reading more of LotR; I've gotten up into "The King of the Golden Hall". One thing that struck me this time around was that Aragorn's stubbornness over being unwilling to leave Anduril outside Theoden's hall or let anybody else touch it was almost evocative of King Arthur's attitude in "Gargoyles" that Excalibur was his sword, and his sword alone.

"The King of the Golden Hall" is where the archaic side of LotR starts really coming to the fore; it has some flashes of humor in it, though, especially around Wormtongue (such as when some of the king's guards report having found Theoden's sword in Wormtongue's private chest, and add "Many other things are there which men have missed.")

I don't think that I'll be able to read all of the book by the time that the movie comes out (in just 11 days), but I hope certainly to have read a lot of it by then. And who knows? Maybe I'll surprise myself.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 8, 2001 08:55:50 PM
IP: 168.191.109.84

Thank you all for your sympathy and stuff!!! I really do appreciate you guys. :) Some quick replies before I go pig out for lunch! ;)

lain> <<You could always, you know.. uh.. transfer to Western!>> *L* Yeah ... ;) Oh, yeah, and congrats on the impending knot of doom, a.k.a. Marriage. ;)

Josh> Sorry the concert wasn't as cool as you thought it would be. :( Maybe you should convert to country music now! <<Hit up your boyfriend>> **L** :) <<But you do have somewhere else to go: Michigan>> Why does everyone keep saying that? ;)

Lynati> <<some things suck>> Yes, I definitely sympathize with you. **hugs**

Aaron> <<I'm sorry school is making you nuts right now. (Hugs)>> **hugs** Thank you, Aaron. :)

Aingeal> Thank you so much for the link!!! I'll definitely be keeping that handy ... :)

And in other news, my brain hurts from studying the big theorems of Vector Calculus ... ;) Good luck to all who still have finals left to take.
Ravyn
Saturday, December 8, 2001 03:56:38 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

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Christine -- Avalon Mists, what a fabulous issue! I most liked the story by Kara, Myrrors. This fic was just a great rendition of a parallel/myrror world. I don't generally follow 'new' characters as much as I do cannon/show ones, but really liked the Rookies.

Lots of good fic, good art. Funny cartoons. etc. I've only read two Avalon Mists issues (this and the last one) but they look pretty keen to me. Hope you'll stay on as editor.

Just a thought, if there is a concern for material for Avalon Mists being too mature/adult for general family ratings, what about having it in two parts? Then you could have the "G" rated portion, and a racier R/mature rated portion.

I liked your excerpt, and the new parallel universe there too. But how mean to make it so small *^_^* and cut it off before we could find out who the mother of Brooklyn's child is!

Heh... Seems more than one person was pairing up Fox and Dracon. I wonder what makes them such a popular couple.

end spoilers sections...

Well have to get back to house work. Almost got it all done last night, but conked out after 2am. sigh. Must be getting old. Next thing you know I'll be in bed by midnight and have to drink warm milk without the chocolate chaser. Mmm... hot chocolate.

Later
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, December 8, 2001 03:45:12 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Christine>Hm..wishing you good luck for getting Avalon Mists posted seemed to have worked;) Anyway...congrats for another great issue, it's amazing and admirable how much work you put into that fanzine.
Michael
Saturday, December 8, 2001 02:54:28 PM
IP: 62.224.167.3

*claps*
And rant of the week goes to Josh, because Autumn was looking over my shoulder while I was reading and she loves Linkin Park.
Well, I feel really cheated, I woke up at seven this morning to drive over to the other side of campus and take my first fianl knowing I had studied for about a whole hour for it and it turned out to be nothing more than common sense. Now for some I'm sure even that was a challenge, but I was out of there in thrity minutes and went back to sleep. Now on to painting again.

Josh-accessing porn on their laptops huh? I have one word for this: DUH!

Nukes- don't mind Josh he's an ass to everyone if you have not noticed, that's probably why I get along with him so well, reminds me of being at home.

Lynati- I think you should fire a ball that has little spikes protruding to throw at people, because when I have days like that I can't trust myself with sharp objects... or maybe not (evil thoughts)

So a leave you with this mental image of those lacking common sense.
A guy pulls up to buy concrete bags with a flatbed trailer using a Ranger. He wanted two palletes (aprox. 1 ton each)

Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Saturday, December 8, 2001 02:33:04 PM
IP: 129.120.255.222

*in*

today will be a RL catch-up day...first to do; write CR post...

Well, I had some issues w/ our xmas sale over at the ceramics department...I missed getting slides of my work taken in my original sign-up time (which was immediately filleed by the net person on the list) beause I was studying for my C+G final. (which I think I did alright on.)
and then, our shooter wound up w/ too much to do, and could not get to my 6 pieces (very few) last night. He won't be back untiul thursday.
What does this mean? It means that I couldn;t put My four better works into our sale. And all the other pieces I shot on my own, I can't sell either, becuase I need them for Tuesday to show what I've done to them since my Final Crit.
So, I was only able to put in three...all figure studies...a decent one that I rather liked, and two fairly crappy pieces. (When quite a few people had between 50-70 pieces for sale.)
Well, the decent one sold w/in the first three hours. so, I can feel good about that, at least.

I have a shift as a cashier between 3-5pm, so between now and then I am going to shower, find some pants (I think I;ve been wearing my sweats for 3 days now), and try to make headway on Aaron and Jori's New Years gifts. then, I need to pester on of my classmates for the ride to US toys she promised me. Then, study for my Monday night exam until I pass out. Ahh, College life.
oh. crap. *still* haven't mailed off my sister's gift... *sigh*

*Off*
Lynati
Saturday, December 8, 2001 01:30:00 PM
IP: 205.184.255.139

Some stuff.

For those of you who were worried, like I was, that Disney would get its evil little hands upon the rights to film a live-action "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe" movie, rest easy. Disney did NOT get the rights to the film. Instead, that goes to Carey Granat, of the Walden Media group. They got the rights to ALL of the books, actually. Granat used to work for Miramax, and he's teamed up with the Lewis family this time around to make films that are "faithful adaptions" of the books. Well, I'll believe that when I see it. But at least I won't have to worry about my Lewis classics being Disneyfied.

No Animated Buffy?: Word out now is that Fox may no longer air kids animation on their Saturday morning lineup. The excuse they're using is that Pokemon is killing them. That sounds about as plausible as when they used the old "Power Rangers is too powerful of a show!" excuse to kill Gargoyles and a bunch of other good programs. Let's be honest - Fox killed its own kids animation lineup by putting on some of the most abominable animated programs ever created on its lineup. "Alienators"? Yes, let's make a bad cartoon show about a movie that NO ONE saw.
Anyway, what this means is that all of the animated programs currently on tap to air on Fox - including, among others, a Slayers import, some Marvel Comics projects, and of course the animated Buffy show - may get shelved. As in, not aired at all. The only saving grace is that Fox, if it does cancel its kids lineup, seems open to "leasing" its kids programs to other cable channels like Fox Family, or Disney, or Nickelodeon, etc.

<<Supposedly, this is a rock concert. You be the judge:>> Okay, I will be.

AFI: I've never heard of them. And since they don't include either a) Trent Reznor or b) Maynard James Keenan in their lineup, I don't care too anyway.
Alien Ant Farm: What is the fascination with them? "Smooth Criminal" was an okay song the first 1,346 times I heard it (thank you, radio, for overkilling their one good hit). Now it sends me into psychotic convulsions. I'll pass on this one, thanks.
Sum 41: I've got to think that if Joey Ramon knew that this would be the true legacy of punk, than he wouldn't have waited for the Big C to take him (hee hee), he'd have ended his life a lot sooner. Regardless, I don't think they're that bad. They're not overrated like some other quasi-punk bands *coughcoughblink182greendaycoughcough*.
Puddle of Mud: Hey, they sound just like the other 8 billion "nu-metal" acts out there. And don't they have some sort of association with Fred Durst? No thank ye. Get in the coffin, die.
P.O.D.: I don't dismiss them just because they're Jesus Freaks. They have a couple songs I enjoy. But then again, they're pretty much rap-metal, and I can't stand that.
System of a Down: I dig them, but I'm all wary now because I think Serge was talking smack about the USA back during the 11th.
Linkin Park: Despite myself, I'm really enjoying them. Even though the rap influence is there. And I think a new album is going to be out in a few short months.
But they're not the best band alive, and "Runaway" is by far NOT the best song ever. I wouldn't even call it the best song on that album.
<<And the best part? When the bands start ragging on rich people. About how 5% of the populace controls 95% of the assets. Well guess what!? WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR TICKETS TO THIS CONCERT!>>
I love that too. That's why I found Rage Against The Machine so amusing. They screamed about the evils of capitalism, while raking in the millions.

NukesGoBoom: Calm down, my young friend. JackaL has pretty much propositioned ALL of us sexually at one time or another. It's his way of showing affection.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 8, 2001 01:07:37 PM
IP: 66.44.65.56

josh- im really starting to doubt that you are still giving me a hard time,as you have claimed before, opposed to just not understanding my questions.do YOU think when you type?

about gside, i never said i chat online with him, i was only wondering why he was idle for 3 entire days. its not often you see someone that goes idle for that long.besides, i typed that to HIM, not to you, why do you respond to things i ask other people?

that thing about lain getting married. i asked HER that, not YOU. if wanted to ask you, i woulda put it next to your name in my replies.

and then you told me to get help. i asked why. and (surprise!) you didnt tell me any reason, just "because".
i wanted to know why, but if you cant answer that, then dont even try.

i dont understand why you are so cold to me. i may be an idiot and a loser, but that doesnt give you a reason to be such an a$$hole to me. what, do you get off on insulting me? if thats true, then you are more of a loser than i will ever be. i bet you will come back with some half smart ass remark like "oh you have a talent for understatements, you are more than a loser!"

w/e dude. stop acting like that. i didnt insult you or anything, your just an asshole to me for some F!cked up reason. relax.

lain- what kind of fish do you like? not the ones in the yahoo background i hope... those are way expensive to feed. lol. how would i send you a fish in the mail? 8)

yggdrasil- i think i missed it when you said it, but what college to you go to?
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Saturday, December 8, 2001 11:45:32 AM
IP: 24.151.45.38

I have decided my official theme-song of life is Desree's "You Gotta Be."

Patrick> Finally got an answer back for you. I've been told that the room rates are on adverage $119 a night. There are also 3 Holiday Inns in the area, and so that might be where the confusion is.

It also may mean that I got the LINK to the hotel wrong on the website..(another thing to doublecheck)(but the phone and address information is correct). But as to your question the $89 rate on Sunday is for another hotel, not ours. <:) So you're not being cheated out of your money. :)

Sorry I've been lurking in the shadows...Classes have started up again and once again my life is school, sleep, art, and gathering. So sometimes I have to juggle one more than the other. <:)

Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Saturday, December 8, 2001 11:22:04 AM
IP: 24.93.24.2

Fire Storm > THANK YOU!!! Saved my bacon, sweetie! That worked; AvMists is now posted! Huzzah! ::hugs and smoochies::

Avalon Mists > click or go to http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/avmists/ for the Winter 2001 issue. Lots of great fics and pics and other stuff. Check the letter from the editor for an important announcement regarding the future of the 'zine. Thank you, all contributors; sorry for the delay.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, December 8, 2001 10:49:23 AM
IP: 64.24.187.82

Hey look.. it's like grade two in here..

Nukes: What? No more fish? Well then, you'll have to get me fish for christmas :)

Yggdrasil: And I'm getting Sympatico High Speed Ethernet thingie for 10$ a month. Gotta love that currency.. :)

Ravyn: Re college trouble. You could always, you know.. uh.. transfer to Western! ;)
lurking fish
Saturday, December 8, 2001 10:44:00 AM
IP: 64.228.193.240

I'm happy. Toon Disney here in england FINALLY got around to showing the 'City of Stone' 4-parter after skipping over it (and a whole bunch of other episodes) during the last set of reruns. This was the first time I've ever seen it, and it proved to bevery good.

By the way, I like the idea someone put forward (sorry! forgot the name!) about the discussions of TGS 'reruns'. I say let's go for it!

Greg B >>Just thought I'd let you know. I'm still waiting for a reply here.
cyberklaw - [cyberklaw]
London, UK
Saturday, December 8, 2001 09:10:25 AM
IP: 152.163.201.52

Christine: A pity with Avalon Mists, hope you can get this settled soon. Looking forward to next issue...
Michael
Saturday, December 8, 2001 08:42:31 AM
IP: 193.158.188.119

Hey folks.

Alright, its late, I'm tired, I've been up since 9AM, and I have this horrible ringing in my ears from the overdose of CRAP I paid $46.50 for, better known as Live 105's "Not So Silent Night".

Supposedly, this is a rock concert. You be the judge:

AFI
Alien Ant Farm
Sum 41
Puddle of Mud
P.O.D.
System of a Down
Linkin Park

AFI we didn't even see, because the line to get in was around the entire venue. Just as well, they bite.

AAF was supposed to be cool, but on hearing some of their songs besides their cover of "Smooth Criminal", I realized the sucked ass. Go figure that their ONLY good song would be someone else's. They are a pathetic excuse for a punk band.

Sum 41 was actually kind of decent. They remind me of Blink 182, back in the old days when they were still punk and not pop sell-outs.

Puddle of Mud: lame

P.O.D.: Jesus freaks, need I say more?

System of a Down: Great band, but lousy performance this time around.

Linkin Park: awesome as always.

So really, I paid $46 to see Linkin Park. I feel slightly jacked. And I was supposed to meet them after the concert too, but our contact never showed up. Anyway, the audience at this concert had an average age of about 12.5, which was extremeley frustrating for a group of guys from UC Berkeley.

The bands were terrible role models as well. 12,000 twelve-year olds are gonna go home tonight dying to smoke crack, have sex, and yell "f*ck everything". And the best part? When the bands start ragging on rich people. About how 5% of the populace controls 95% of the assets. Well guess what!? WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR TICKETS TO THIS CONCERT! !@#$ing trendy teeny-boppers. I hate little kids, and I hate when they pick up on my music.

anyway, enough bitching. The rest of the day was mildly pleasant, got a lot of material covered in my various classes before the finals next week.

replies!

Lynati: <<I�m with Imzy on this one>>: As you should be.

Daphne: <>: Sorry. Maybe you need "skin to win".

Selanit: <<Thanks to both of you for letting me know>>: Welcome.

Sorow: <<This week as been the most studying I've ever done>>: Oh, if only you knew. <>: Me neither! <<Theatre and psychology were very hard this test which I don't understand>>: Still having trouble with English, I see ;-)

Greg X: <<was actually scared by the actors in the Orc costumes and the Ringwraiths>>: Pathetic little girl.

Ravyn: <<I'm officially having a BAD DAY>>: Sorry. I know what that's like. <>: LOL! As if that were possible. <<Isn't that sexual harrassment or something?>>: Probably. <<does anyone else's school require anything like this, or is mine being dumb?>>: Yours is being dumb. Once you've passed English 1A here, you're out. <>: That's a problem. Hit up your boyfriend ;-) <>: I know exactly what you're going through. But you do have somewhere else to go: Michigan ;-) <<anyone have any suggestions?>>: None that you can afford. <<Now I must start studying for my THREE finals on Monday ... okay, I think I'm gonna go cry now>>: I'd cry too if I had three finals on monday.

Nukes: <<you took the HIV test just because it was free?>>: Can you think of a better reason? <<cant think of his name>>: JackaL. <<did you take the test cause you changed your mind?>>: No, I took the test because some of the girls I've been with have been less than reputable (oh, don't look so surprised) and I wanted to make sure I was still clean. <<oral sex is one of the 3 ways to get aids sexually, beside anal and vaginal>>: Does it even occur to you to think before you type? No DUH. Do you know of some other type of actual penetration? Perhaps you're heavily involved in nasal sex? Or aural sex? I don't think that's possible unless you're REALLY small. <<or can i break the news?>>: WE ALREADY KNOW THAT LAIN'S GETTING MARRIED. <>: Probably because he has better things to do than chat online with you. <<why did you tell me to seek help?>>: Because you need to.

Aaron: <<Bow bow chicka chicka>>: LOL. <<Wilek does it all the time. Traveler too>>: Usually more than a month. <<sadonecrobestiality is banned under the revised CR guidelines>>: Those new admins are turning this place into a police state! <>: What's wrong with having your breifs removed? <<A porno-sitcom? Interesting idea>>: I'm sure Playboy's already got it somewhere. <<But what about ale?>>: I'm not 21. <<all Brooklyn's mates from various ficverses form what's known as Brooklyn's Multiversal Harem. Which includes Matt Watson>>: I pity the beaked gargoyle. <<does that change or strengthen your stance on gun control?>>: I stilll don't want any of you yahoos owning guns ;-) <<Bow chicka bow. (Somebody had to say it>>: I think everyone was already thinking it. <<Rehab for Robert Downey Jr>>: Well 12 certainly isn't enough. <<All that pizza and red meat>>; Followed by throwing it all up, right? <<With six people in a theater, why do three of them have to be loud, giggly morons?>>: I feel your pain. <<Aaron Bob says 4 skulls>>: Out of?

Yggdrasil: <<ADSL and Cable are normally $39.95 up here>>: WHAT!? And that's canadian too! We're paying $49.95 US!

DPH: <>: A safe bet. I pay for nothing. <<students think the cost is ridiculously high>>: Its not a "think". Its a fact. A student copy of whatever program can run anywhere from $50 to $350, which can DOUBLE the cost of books. <<Was I breaking the copyright laws?>>: No, because you paid for your license. However, if *I* were also using the software (which would be a neat trick on my mac), then we would be. <<there could easily arise an entire industry of students paid to buy software for others because the student could get it at a cheaper cost than another person>>: Probably, but academic versions often have fewer features than full versions, etc. <>: Those count dude.

Moochie: <<Define "Irony">>: How about a bunch of idiots dancing on an airplane to a song made famous when its writers died in a plane crash?

Fire Storm: <<Hippies were not a year, they were and are a state of mind>>: At 13? <<Transparent AND colored>>: Depends on the product. <<that's one of the things I think about CONSTANTLY>>: Yes, well I have more pressing issues on my mind. Like how to get hot chicks. <>: Should be interesting. <<As long as their is knowledge, we will be able to make weapons>>: All the more reason for the gov't to restrict access to knowledge. <<Isn't that a good solution to just about everyone's problems?>>: Believe it or not, there are some problems that this doesn't solve. <<so what if they DID download it?>>: well I don't care, but their parents did ;-) <<Michigan>>: No, he said "on Earth". ;-) <<Why waste a battering ram tank>>: A better question would be "why waste the round when you have a battering ram tank?".

Robby: <<And heck, on top of all that, he died a few years back, and I don't think a dead man can run for office>>: Details, details. This is racial discrimination! ;-) <<Heck, under those circumstance,s, *I'd* vote for Luthor>>: United GATES of America, here we come.

That's all for tonight. I'm exhausted.

There are no smart women in the world. -Hcatty aka LostPerson, TGS Comment Room
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, December 8, 2001 06:05:19 AM
IP: 64.170.155.18

Firestorm- "Why didn't Superman run?" For the same reason William Shatner and Arnold Swartzeneager don't run for president. (Tho Arnold apparently intends to be governor of California...) While, frighting prospect that it is, they just might win the presidential race if they ran, (and Supes almost definatley would), they aren't American born citizens. Superman is about as much an illegal alien as you're likely to find, having DEFINATLEY not been born in the United States. Not to mention, even if they could bend the rule somehow, on account of Supes being an extremely popular canidate (Cause lets face it, he'd win an election by a huge landslide...) it would screw over his personal life. He'd suddenly have to be Superman 24/7. He'd have to drop the Clark Kent aspect of his life, and not to mention, probably wouldn't be able to put proper focus on on his presidental duties, being too busy stopping natural disasters and aliens and such. And heck, on top of all that, he died a few years back, and I don't think a dead man can run for office...

ANd while everyone seems to gall at the fact Lex Luthor was elected president in the DCU, they also seem to forget there's only a couple dozen people that know what Luthor is REALLY like, to the rest of the country he's an intelligent, successful, rich, industrious buisnessman and family man (who has a daughter!) who's shown he knows what he's doing and is able to hold himself up in a crisis, like an alien invasion or eight. And since he's a clone of himself, he's also thought of (not actually, but thought of) as the SON of Lex Luthor the first, who was also a popular and well liked guy. And heck, he basically OWNS Metropolis... Heck, under those circumstance,s, *I'd* vote for Luthor...

The saddest part about my knowledge of this? I haven't read a Superman book since the "Dead Again" storyline way back and I still know this. (THo I do read Young Justice...) In fact, right after I stopped reading DC I started reading Marvel. I stopped reading THAT universe when they cancelled my favorite book Excalibur, and had the whole "Hunt For Xavier" storyline, cause that sucked too. ANd yet, I *still* know what's going on in the Marvel universe as well. (And I'm picking up the JMS Spiderman run, but hey, its JMS.)
Robby
Saturday, December 8, 2001 05:44:27 AM
IP: 172.139.99.157

v: Ok, I KNOW the majority of the site is a joke, but I think some of those weapons are actual weapons they made, or at least modified! I mean, if they wern't serious, they wouldn't have hired a female spokes model!
I mean, look at the T-Shirts, man! The T-SHIRTS!

And what's wrong with the M82K being used as an entry weapon? I mean, some times criminals use steel doors! Why waste a battering ram tank when you can just use your gun!

And, really, who wouldn't want a micronuke like that? :)
Load that micronuke in their .50, 50 round drum latched onto the Entry weapon? If they won't come out, fire a few rounds in there from the minimum safe distance!
Fire Storm
Saturday, December 8, 2001 05:38:56 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

FS - MIGHT be a joke? MIGHT? Did you watch the test-firing video? And my personal favorite is still the Barret M82K "entry weapon"....

"Why charge through the door with a wimpy M-16 or an even more girly and vastly over-rated, "bullets stuck in the door" type HK MP-5? Why not use a weapon that not only gets the ones hiding behind the front door but ALSO gets the two running out the back?"
V
Saturday, December 8, 2001 05:17:06 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Imzadi: <Yeah, perhaps. My mom was a little young to be a hippy, though>
Hippies were not a year, they were and are a state of mind.
<Your jealousy is SO transparent>
Na. Transparent AND colored! ;)
<My friends and I were talking about the feasibility of a revolution the other day>
Just the other day? Hell, that's one of the things that I think about CONSTANTLY!
<within the next 200 years it will once again be the responsibility of this population to overthrow the gov't and create one that doesn't suck>
In reality, I see it happening in the next 20, especially if the anti-terrorism legislation starts to take away the guns and make a national ID card.
<and we won't be able to do that with no guns.>
As long as there is knowledge, we will be able to make weapons.
<That boy needs to get laid more often.>
Isn't that a good solution to just about everyone's problems?
<ACCESSING PORN>
The stupid kids wern't smart enough to encrypt or delete it?
And so what if they DID download it?

Christine: <the FTP address we have doesn't seem to connect>
Have you tried FTP'ing to 65.210.92.20 or just to www.gargoyles-fans.org?

Ravyn: <Just curious, does anyone else's school require anything like this, or is mine being dumb?>
Na, your school is just being dumb.

Aaron: <Remember, there ARE the people who elected Lex Luthor president>
Very true. VERY true. Hell, why didn't Superman run?
<Pest: Staring contest!>
Can beings (if Reaper is even a 'being' and not an entity) that don't have eyes have a staring contest. You know... I am not even sure reaper has eyes... or a face for that matter.
<Daemon?>
Yes. I am not a being, but a time.

Yggdrasil: <IN ALL THAT's (un)HOLY I PITY YOU. ADSL and Cable are normally $39.95 up here>
You so suck. Cable is about that price, but it REALLY sucks in my area.
But thats in Canadian, right?
<T3 access is about 3K>
Ok, you REALLY suck! T3 is $10K-$30K in this area.
<Where on earth are you!>
Michigan.

V: Thanks for that link! I went to Birdman.org (Linked on one of the pics) and saw these SWEET weapons!
http://www.birdman.org/images/D002a.jpg
http://www.birdman.org/images/G005a.jpg
http://www.birdman.org/images/D005a.jpg
The page MAY be a joke, but hot DAMN, they have some SWEET weapons!
Fire Storm - [<--- The NEW Nuke50 Micronuclear round]
Saturday, December 8, 2001 03:04:09 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Define "Irony".

A guy quits the CR in disgust, vacilates between coming back and staying gone... and he still posts about as often as he ever did.

Anyway, here's a fun little something I found while looking for picks of the elusive Desert Rhino (the gun, not the animal). I recommend the 20mm rifle at the top of the page, all the .50 rifles and underwater guns, and the downright *moist* FN 2000. It's like Jane's SRG all over again...
V
Saturday, December 8, 2001 02:28:44 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

josh- why did you tell me to seek help? what was it that i said that made you think that? i dont understand, there WAS a guy in here that asked YOU to suck him off, i just cant remember his name.
NukesGoBoom
Saturday, December 8, 2001 12:41:59 AM
IP: 24.151.45.38

**WARNING: DC DEATH**
Computer, do an energy scan of both DC and Netlag.
"Energy scan completed," replies the computer.
Launch the experimental anti-energy missiles at DC and Netlag and feed them the information from the energy scan of both DC and Netlag.
"Acknowledged," replied the computer. A few seconds later, the computer says, "DC and Netlag's energy signature is no longer detectable, but their bodies are lifeless."
Hmm, interesting. Computer, gather the bodies for scientific analysis.
**END DC DEATH**

That was for me accidently, clicking on the about feature for NC and NOT being able to find a back-up copy of halfway completed post.

Aaron - thanks for the information on ReBoot.

Ravyn - <Then I stood in line for AN HOUR to register for a stupid English proficiency test that this university makes you take after you've completed your English class requirements.> Huh? They shouldn't make you wait to take said test (I've never heard of requiring that kind of test). The only thing I would say is giving students are 1-2 semesters away from graduating preference when it comes to taking that test. That reminds of something that happened to me. I was at college where freshmen were required to live on-campus unless an exemption form was filled out. I didn't bother filling out the form until my 2nd semester there and was told they didn't bother enforcing that policy.

Jan, Imzadi, & others - I am willing to bet at every college campus there is a network where students can get free software (minus the cost of the CD) for just about everything. Most of it is because the software is required to do homework and the students think the cost is ridiculously high. Now, unless the person is distrubuting lots of copies (100+), who is going to bother checking?

Jan - what about when I paid Imzadi to buy software for me at a reduced cost? Was I breaking the copyright laws? Heck, there could easily arise an entire industry of students paid to buy software for others because the student could get it at a cheaper cost than another person. Would companies start grumbling then because of lowered profits?

Imzadi - I have never reinstalled windows outside of a classroom [that was windows nt for a networking class] except once to replace two partitions on a hard drive with one partition (I am not counting attempts at reinstalling windows on my brother's pc because I later discovered that hard drive had crashed).

I was looking up the version number of NC because this version of NC I asked to friend to burn me a copy of. It's too damn big to download. I might need to get a hold of another friend with a high-speed internet connection and a CD burner just so I can have a newer version of Netscape Communicate. I have version 4.7, copyright 1999.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, December 7, 2001 11:03:39 PM
IP: 204.94.193.77

Greetings;

Well two questions down, three to go and still no Jablonski diagram in sight. (sigh!)

Fire Storm: IN ALL THAT's (un)HOLY I PITY YOU. ADSL and Cable are normally $39.95 up here, provided you have either cable or a phone line through the respective company. On my cable modem, through Rogers I normally get about 1.5Mbps, but have had it spike up to 600KBps=4.2Mbps. I know that T1 access is about $1000.00/month and T3 access is about 3K, but those are both hard lines and they are fast! (T1=1.5Mbps always)

Where on earth are you! I know that Internet access in Europe is very expensive as in many countries, you pay by the call (even for local).

Nukes: I'm a grad student in molecular biology. (Soon to be finished)

Goodnight.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Friday, December 7, 2001 10:30:20 PM
IP: 24.102.228.58

*In*
some things suck.
...Ravyn seems to know what I am talking about. (I sympathize with you.)

in other knews...soem of you are supposed to be on AIM right now...you said you would be...you know who you are! ;)
We're waiii-ttiinnngg...

*Sits*
Lynati
Friday, December 7, 2001 09:44:19 PM
IP: 205.185.1.43

Greg> Thanks for the explanation. I figured that for the movie they would have to have some kind of romance relationship, but now it makes a lot more sense.
SOROW
Friday, December 7, 2001 06:55:17 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

And, continuing my string of posting on Fridays, so I can fall into the previous week in a day and a half...

Warpy> <<So, how goes the Quest for Postage?>> It's in the mail. I don't have an ETA on it yet, but it is in the mail.

DPH> <<why didn't Hack & Slash go back to serving Megabyte?>> Because after Hex destroyed them in season three, Phong rebuilt them, and told them to look after Dot. Essentially, they were reimprinted to serve a different master, and are now, for better or worse, Dot's henchmen. (Besides, even before that, it was becoming clear that Slash at least wasn't enjoying being an evil henchman: "I am saving the little fellow from what, to me, looks like certain death.", "I miss Bob. He always stopped us before we could do anything really bad.", etc.)

FS> <<why should a homicidal maniac like him, who has proven that he can escape, be allowed to live, escape and kill again?>> Remember, there ARE the people who elected Lex Luthor president. <<Reaper, watch them. Carefully.>> Pest: Staring contest! <<We just don't know the EXACT location of Wilek>> Wilek... Of, of course, right. Wilek. <<She is like that with everything though.>> Really? Everything? Bow bow chicka chicka. <> Daemon?

Patrick> <> Nah. Wilek does it all the time. Traveler too. <> Sorry, but sadonecrobestiality is banned under the revised CR guidelines. <<I've encountered even more people in my lifetime who vehemently object to "being turned into number" than I have ones who wouldn't tell me their name.>> I will not be pushed, pulled, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. I am not a number! I AM A FREE MAN! (Sorry, had to say it)

Gside> <<True, but at least neither did Kaoru.>> Point. Or Gendo, for that matter. << And a record three jokes off one typo, all saying the same thing.>> Great minds run in the same gutters. <<What were they smoking when they did FLCL, and where can I get it?>> Wild, isn't it? I still think episode 5 is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. "DIACON V!"

Josh> <<You?>> Let's just say I've said some unfortunate things, and the last incident needed a slightly more well thought-out response. <<But look at that figure!!>> Yes. A happy thought indeed. <<You haven't SEEN it.>> And don't want too. <> The former. <<Maybe it can be both!>> A porno-sitcom? Interesting idea. <<Please tell me you had something more concrete>> Of course. That was a joke. (On the other hand, it did tie into Doug's feelings about gay people) <<Cuz we already spend all our money on whores.>> But what about ale? <<Well, Mara anyway.>> No, they both do. Trust me. <<Not everyone will be able to live down an 8" blue gargess across their chest.>> I said a brand, not a tattoo. So it wouldn't be blue, anyway. And yes, it would have to be small, since a large one would take too long to heat up, and they'd all run away. <<"The Ref" Rocked!>> To watch, yes. To live... <<Otherwise no harem for you when I take over.>> Pest: I'll be good. <<Great comic! I'm reading it all right now!>> And another one succumbs... <> Not at all. <> Technically, all Brooklyn's mates from various ficverses form what's known as Brooklyn's Multiversal Harem. Which includes Matt Watson. Heh. <<we won't be able to do that with no guns.>> So, does that change or strengthen your stance on gun control?

Christine> <<I'm not sure if it's nostalgia as well as just his medieval obsession ; )>> It's the hidden agendas, verbal sniping, and knife fighting that remind me of my family.

Spacebabie> <<One of them managed bewitching you into being their love slave.>> At least one... ;)

Badge quotes> Interesting idea. I guess I need to think up a good on.

Lynati> <<tell Pest that No, I'm not in his harem, okay?>> Pest: Yet.

Coyote> <<We're planning on havin' a good time. :)>> Bow chicka bow. (Somebody had to say it)

SJ> <<Question of the Day: What are the 39 Steps?>> Rehab for Robert Downey Jr.?

Jannie> <<there's NO WAY you'd look worse in a dress than Aaron!>> Are you saying I look bad in a dress?

Emambu> << Heh, between you, Aaron, and Mara I can see G'03 getting a little... kinky.>> A little? I wonder if there are any golf courses nearby... <<Oh, like he's complaining. ;)>> Not a bit. <<Aaron could probably upstage a lot of women. He's got such elegant curves. ;)>> It's not easy maintaining my girlish figure, you know. All that pizza and red meat...

Robby> <<the series we did after Eva that has NO backgrounds and uses shots straight from the manga didn't catch on(I don't remember the name of that series offhand. Aaron?)>> His and Her Circumstances. (Or, as Elin calls it, He Said, She Said) Even knowing it's Gainax, I still couldn't get into it. Maybe one day.

Ravyn> I'm sorry school is making you nuts right now. (Hugs)

In other news, I saw the Harry Potter movie last night. I was pleasantly surprised to find I enjoyed it a great deal, except for the audience. (With six people in a theater, why do three of them have to be loud, giggly morons?

*****Minor spoilers, maybe*******

Perhaps I read too much into things, but it did seem as though there were some minor nods to other movies, (Like the "turn other magic users to the dark side." line) Also, I wonder if some of the people who worked on the Baldur's Gate expansion were fans, because there's a dungeon that bears a great deal of resemblance to the hiding place of the sorcerer's stone. The quiddich sequence was interesting, Robby Coltraine was amusing throughout, and the kids were all good.

I was a little disappointed in the blond kid from Slitherin, but I assume he'll become more interesting in later movies. I could see a whole Salieri/Mozart thing developing between him and Harry.

Overall, Aaron Bob says 4 skulls, and perhaps a genuine contender for Best Picture honors.

******End Spoilers*******

L8r.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, December 7, 2001 06:13:45 PM
IP: 209.33.140.100

Nukes: Dude, seek help.
Josh
Friday, December 7, 2001 05:30:22 PM
IP: 64.170.155.18

Rayvn - www.homestore.com The can give you local housing, prices, contact info and everything.... tis a nice place.. when I was looking for a place in MD it had me all set up... they have storage info, and all kidsa things.

I wish you luck... IM me if you need to beat your head on a shoulder rather than a wall.

Josh - putting things off... i need to learn better so i dont spend anymore nights trying not to hurl my innards up and do HW at the same time...

Anyway... 3 more things down... only 4 more to go.
Aingeal
Friday, December 7, 2001 05:05:29 PM
IP: 207.42.162.191

lynati- holy shit, i am DEFINITLY low on the totem pole here!!! thats o.k., i really want to see your artwork though. whenever you have the time, thats fine with me. at least i got forgiven :D

josh- lol. you took the HIV test just because it was free? well, whatever floats your boat... hmm.. i remember some guy in here asking you to suck him off... cant think of his name... i know you told him off, but did you take the test cause you changed your mind? oral sex is one of the 3 ways to get aids sexually, beside anal and vaginal, i dunno if you have done either of those.

aw, im just jokin.

lain- im glad to see that you are back on your aol im name. i dled the yahoo one just to talk to you. now, i dont have to use it again. we cant use the fish background, but w/e...

oh, did you tell anyone about *it* yet? i cant wait to see what they say!! or can i break the news? that would be awesome. good luck with that by the way.

yggdrasil- thanks much, i appreciate the help that you have given me. i dont think that i am far from a switching station, so i will look into it.

molecular biology? i will need your help next year... hope you are still around. are you a student or something? or a teacher? either way, thanks a million, i need help with that stuff.

gside- hey, is your aol im name gside 42? i was wondering why you were idle for like 3 days... lol..
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Friday, December 7, 2001 04:29:50 PM
IP: 12.243.67.212

**WARNING! HUGE, LONG, I HATE COLLEGE RANT AHEAD!**

**sighs** Okay, I'm officially having a BAD DAY. :(

My work is driving me crazy ... my coworkers treat me like I'm an idiot, and leave me out of all the silly work activities. I know they're just stupid Christmas parties, but come on, no one likes to be left out deliberately! Doesn't make you feel very good, ya know. :( Plus I was told I had "after-sex" hair today. What the heck's up with that??? Isn't that sexual harrassment or something? ;)

Then I stood in line for AN HOUR to register for a stupid English proficiency test that this university makes you take after you've completed your English class requirements. (Just curious, does anyone else's school require anything like this, or is mine being dumb?) Anyway, after finally getting up to the counter to register for the test, I was told that I couldn't sign up because I hadn't yet completed 40 credit hours, and I'd have to wait for the people in line who *had* completed that to register first. I have 36 credits after one year, and so I'm practically being *punished* for trying to get through my requirements TOO quickly. So before I either blew up at somebody or started crying, I left that. I wasn't about to wait around for other people. I'll just try again next semester. :(

THEN, I get a letter from the University saying I'll be kicked out of my dorm room at the end of the Spring semester, and won't be allowed back, so they can house some undecided freshmen who'll probably drop out anyway. So I'm really going to have to find someplace to live now. Sure, I don't particularly *like* living in the dorms ... but it's free high-speed internet access, it's convenient, and I can actually AFFORD it because of my scholarships. I can not physically afford living off campus, unless I start doing something quick, like maybe changing jobs. And guess what? NO ONE'S HIRING. Fun.

**sighs** I hate this place. I hate being stuck here, and then having to deal with foolishness like this. I just want out of here. But of course, I have no place else to go ... :(

Oh, well ... maybe if I can somehow afford my own place, that will be nice ... anyone have any suggestions? :( Thanks for listening, anyway. Now I must start studying for my THREE finals on Monday ... okay, I think I'm gonna go cry now. :(
Ravyn "Not So Happy" Maza
Friday, December 7, 2001 04:27:31 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

SOROW> Arwen's role is being expanded in the movie to better dramatize Aragorn's romance with her. She'll have a larger part in the movie, but it wasn't done for Liv Tyler. At the end of the third book, there are a bunch of appendixes, one of them being "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen", which explores the romance a lot more than the actual books did as they were told largely from the Hobbits' point of views.

For a while there was a great fear from Tolkien fans that the movie would turn Arwen into a "Warrior Princess", and in some very early drafts for the movie scripts that was the case, since Miramax wanted it to add more T&A to the movie... they also wanted the whole story told in one two hour movie. But Arwen will be close to what Tolkien portrayed, just expanded upon.

Incidently, another reason Arwen won't have action sequences in the movie (outside of riding Frodo across the Ford and calling the flood upon the Ringwraiths) is because Liv Tyler is very nervous around horses and according to an interview, was actually scared by the actors in the Orc costumes and the Ringwraiths, and thus could not pull of a good action sequence.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, December 7, 2001 04:27:14 PM
IP: 216.179.4.161

Thanks to all for wishing me luck on my tests. This week as been the most studying I've ever done. On a great note: I made an A average in my math class and I never have to take math again! Bad news: the test I studied for the most I think I did the worst on. Theatre and psychology were very hard this test which I don't understand. I still have 2 exams to take and then I'm done for the semester. They're not until next Thursday though so I have a nice little break to relax.
I finished LotR: Fellowship and am a little confused. I heard on a TV interview that all the trilogy was shot together and I noticed in the first book that Arwen is only mentioned once. But in the previews she's all over the place cause it's Liv Tyler and everyone loves her. Am I correct then that she will be very little in the first movie?
SOROW
Friday, December 7, 2001 04:10:11 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Oh, this is rich. Click my name for the article. Remember those 23,000 iBooks that Apple sold to Virginia? Well, apparently about 60 kids have been disciplined for using their iBook to do what I do with my iBook every day: ACCESSING PORN.

Needless to say, Parents are pissed.
Josh
Friday, December 7, 2001 03:00:28 PM
IP: 64.170.155.18

Lynati & Imzadi: Thanks to both of you for letting me know. That'll help me plan my schedule for recording the shows. :-)

Selanit - [public@atuan.com]
Friday, December 7, 2001 02:14:38 PM
IP: 128.138.84.249

[delurks]

At least I'm consistant.

That's right, ladies and gentlemen, I have once again lost an election. Haven't won one to date.

And you heard it first.

[relurks]
Daphne
The other candidate
Friday, December 7, 2001 12:56:29 PM
IP: 129.68.138.125

Gside- "What was Gainax smoking when they made FLCL"? Its called "We're broke because we misused our budget on Evangelion, the series we did after Eva that has NO backgrounds and uses shots straight from the manga didn't catch on (I don't remember the name of that series offhand. Aaron?) and so, we need to do something really different, really bizarre, really catchy that touches a core with the fans, so we need to homage a whole bunch of stuff including the original daicon animation to make this mini-series popular. And lo and behold, it worked. Episode 5 rocked the most tho. In fact, episode 5 may well be one of the most awesomes thing I've ever seen in anime, and as much as I've seen, that's saying something. Oh yeah, Elin Winkler says, if you want the series to make any sense at all, just consider it as an analogy for puberty.

And now that my brief explanation for Gainax is out of the way, back to studying for finals. *sigh*
Robby
Friday, December 7, 2001 12:46:36 PM
IP: 172.129.52.107

Fire Storm > the FTP address we have doesn't seem to connect; he's changed it on me a time or two before so I'm figuring that's what is going on this time. If I don't hear from him soon I may post it on my site in the interim, but that'd be a bit of work so I'm hoping I don't have to.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, December 7, 2001 10:50:07 AM
IP: 64.24.214.63

SCHOOL GIRLS BE AFRAID!

Lord Naughtius has returned!
Fire Storm - [<--- Naughty Stuff!]
Friday, December 7, 2001 03:50:31 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

*slumps in, tired, and drops a note before curling up on a sofa. It reads:*

Emambu: ...ok. saying that shooting slides took �longer than expected� is a tad of an understatement, since I was expecting to be back by 10:30 and didn;t get back until past 2 am. :P :P :P Sorry about that. I hope you finished your reports and such, tho. Damn...I have to be up in 5 hours and 20 minutes, and remain in studio all day... ~_~ *sigh* Replies...<That's not true. You have your art, and your sculpting. Both of which you seem very dedicated to. You'd have to be to go 52 straight hours.> or, as everyone else said, �insane�. . <I'll make sure you get it before you leave.> ok.<And with your sanity relatively intact too, congrats!> Well, since I�ve been keeping it stored in the little jar, it was easy. Saaay...were is that jar now? oooh...do I detect a challenge? ];)<Don't feel too bad. Aaron could probably upstage a lot of women. He's got such elegant curves. ;)> ...True. <just 'till the 30th.> ok. <Next on the list: Hoteling.> yup. But I think this depends on Revel. yup yup. �tho, I missed it tonoght. <Sex should NOT come in Steak and Onion flavor.> I�m with Imzy on this one. Why not?

Nukes: not yet. It is on my �to-do� list, but, �surprise�, is not very high.
I�m already a week late in snailmailing my sister her birthday gift, so you know where you stand.

*ZZZzzz...*

Lynati
Friday, December 7, 2001 03:20:30 AM
IP: 207.221.70.154

Not much doing in my neck of the woods. My punk mechanics professor gave us a packet that he SAID was the homework solutions...but most of them were solutions to the wrong problems. Curses! And I was almost done with my LAST assignment of the semester, too!

Did some reviewing for my dynamics and math finals today...I don't think either will be too easy.

Went down to the health center for a free HIV test...now all I have to do is bite my nails for a week until I get the results. Talk about torture! Nah, seriously. I don't think I have it, and I'm probably not gonna lose any sleep over it...but can you imagine what it would be like for someone who actually thought they were at risk!?

Other than that, not much doing today.

Selanit: <<Does anyone know if Toon Disney shows the Goliath Chronicle series after the regular series finishes up? Or does it go straight back to the beginning of season one?>>: Yes to the first question, no to the second. They do show the Goliath Chronicles, but they don't show the shows in order anymore (or maybe they do and I just can't tell).

Patrick: <>: If they're hard at work, I bet it's not taking inventory of that stuff...

Jan: <<How are they disregarding the Bill of Rights and taking away our right to privacy? These are _illegal_ MP3s and files>>: Its called a "search warrant", Jan. Yeah, I may have illegal stuff in my house, but unless you have reason to suspect it and can convince a judge, you have ZERO rights to enter my premises. Even if I'm murdering people in my own home. Search warrants and the like are one of the founding ideas of this country, and prevent abuse of power by the police. <<Simple basic government law 101>>: Um, yeah, but so is "due process", which you seem to be willing to ignore. <<almost every criminal caught screams the same thing>>: Yes, but you have to worry about taking away freedoms when the INNOCENT people are screaming it too. <<one inmate stole another inmate's toilet paper>>: TP! TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE! RAAAAAAPPAPAPAPAPA! <<can't remember his name right now>>: Reins (sp?). <<called them "my children" when he sent them the picture of their mothers standing together>>: I think its just a generic phrase, the way Oberon calls the fae "his children". <<you are cracking me up!>>: She's cracking me up too. <<Berkley's cheating offenses have doubled from last year>>: Cheating offenses? <<Apparently the girl that I replaced refused to do that for him>>: What ELSE did she refuse to do for him? ;-) <<if you have something illegal and you are aware that its illegal, don't go screaming about your rights being violated or your freedom is being taken>>: That's exactly the point! Criminals have rights too. And the police can't violate them just because the criminal did something illegal. There's nothing about the constitution that says "you forfeit your rights when you break the law". Hell, criminals still get cable TV and conjugal visits! *I* don't even get conjugal visits (despite Spacebabie's generous offers). ;-) <<it's called receiving stolen property>>: But they can only persecute you if you're caught in the act of receiving. And that requires monitoring, which is illegal without a warrant. <<are you worried about someone peeking into your windows?>>: If not, you should be! Windows has more security flaws than a frat party. <<if I did the crime, I'm guilty>>: Yes, but that doesn't give anyone the right to sniff around your life trying to find out IF you committed any crimes, hoping to get lucky.

Oracle: <<Oral sex is illegal in some places>>: GAH! NO! How dare they! Well, I'd better not move there. <>: Check this out: my bro's new iMac, when I set it up...not a SINGLE program without a license! What he does with it since then, however...I have no control over that. <<monster-in-law has been sued a few times>>: LOL what a great nickname!

Metaldemon: <<just as they can't randomly search anyone's car unless they have reasonable suspision>>: But apparently if you tell them they CAN'T search your car, that's reasonable suspicion :-(

Emambu: <<Sex should NOT come in Steak and Onion flavor>>: I dunno, onion is kinda tasty...and with a good steak sauce...mmmm.. <<How's everyone's work load as we all get closer to exams and crunch-time holiday shopping?>>: Light, right now. Ask me again in 4 days. <<so I won't feel so bad for having to check people>>: How will hockey equipment alleiviate your guilt? <<DON'T LET TA'S GRADE AN EXAM>>: Over here when the TA's grade the exam I usually do better than when the prof's do. <<why not do something similar for TGS?>>: Cuz we don't care, I'd imagine. Since its written, there isn't as much to pick apart. Also, we have all this other stuff we like posting about ;-) <<Good idea, bad idea, not sure if it could work?>>: It could probably work, and I guess if it started up I'd participate. <<just ruin my fun why don't you>>: She's an adult, that's their job. <<Try explaining to him that Santa can't fit all of that stuff on sleigh>>: If Tim is a standard geek, then these expensive items are all tiny. They probably fit on the sled with room to spare. <>: I hope so! <<What have I started?>>: Nothing bad, I assure you. <<tackling them from behind>>: What's wrong with tackling them from the front? <<you have more on-line friends than I do>>: Hardly a surprise ;-) <<it just looked like you were bitching about proofreaders who take a long time posting feedback. I also "get to it when I can." Sorry, it rubbed me the wrong way>>: Never said I was a perfect proofreader ;-) <<but at least you'll have a good excuse if they try and call you on it>>: Like I said, I don't *need* an excuse. <<Halle Berry's breasts do not a cool movie make>>: I agree. I liked the car chase, mostly ;-) <<that was the ADD film of the year.>>: And I don't even have ADD ;-) <<naked Demona con badge should be drawn by someone talented in that field>>: Well of Course! <<You _would_ think that wouldn't you?>>: I have a filthy mind. <<And that makes me bitter and hateful>>: If it makes you feel any better, I only have one left. <<Which one?>>: Rebirth. The new one. <<Keyword being "Yet?">>: Ask me again in 10 years. <<That's why we have an Adult CR>>: I have zero interest in posting there. <<its driver database is _huge_>>: I'm sorry, why is that important? For plug and pray compatibility? <<the chances of having a nice car increases exponentially. Besides, don't you plan on taking over the world one day? I doubt it'll be hard to procure a sweet ride>>: Yeah, but I'll probably be flown everywhere, so I won't get to drive so often without being shot at. <<Maybe she's got a thing for younger men>>: Well she probably picked the wrong one. <<spit and chewing gum and good wishes>>: DUCT TAPE! <<mine's Halloway77>>: Is it cool if I add you to AIM? <<You're an adult, I think it'll be ok>>: You don't understand: female + female's father = unproductive. <<well there goes my chance at flirting with you>>: You assume the rest are interested ;-) <<Would it be in that order though?>>: True, I'm already drooling. <<The number that comes after 29>>: And before 31. <<Riiiiggghhhtt>>: Wish her luck. <<So? ...what's the problem here?>>: She's just trying to stir up hormones. <<you're going to search for boy toys at the Gathering but if they try anything they get bound and gagged>>: She has no chance with me ;-) <<Lots of group projects I wager>>: Good plan. <<but you have to admit... that was _really_ funny>>: I thought so. <<so I can pass out the vomit bags to all the single men in the CR>>: I'll just be elsewhere. <<So let it be written, so let it be done.>>: Keep dreaming, PC weenies! ;-) <<Elenor Rigby done entirely in strings>>: That is one of my favorite pieces of all time! Its on the anthology, I love it. <<the fact that they all use Macs>>: Oh, I wouldn't say "all". I'd say "not enough" ;-) <<what is it even good for besides target practice?>>: Jump starting the economy? <<delegate one or two people to be official TGS "spokesman" so that when a newbie question is asked they can answer in less harsh manner>>: Ooh ooh pick me! <>: Such women exist? ;-) <<what is it with you and this fascination of people shoving burning dead hamsters of the same gender up their asses?>>: Its funny. <<what the hell are you pilling the cat with? Alka-seltzer?>>: LOL! <<Strangely, none of the guys are wishing that>>: Most of us are in favor of naked chicks. <<I'm 96% pure according to TheSpark>>: Damn. Are you proud of that or not? <<That's not true>>: Actually, it is. Most of her artwork is fic-based, too. <<you could always relay my proof to the others since they know you exist>>: I do not accept relayed proof. <<Aaron could probably upstage a lot of women. He's got such elegant curves>>: I feel sick. <<he almost never leaves his bed>>: Are you sure that's because of the wireless hardware? <<Not from me... maybe Josh>>: What'd I do? <<Whereas some of us *raises hand* have trouble drawing stick figures>>: Here here! <<I've just always thought that what you believed in isn't nearly as important as how those beliefs reflect upon your own way of life and the quality of life towards those around you>>: Good philosophy.

Patrick: <<Where did this idea come from that all MP3s are illegal?>>: Probably when the RIAA started suing companies like Napster left and right.

Alan: <<the next computer I get will most likely be a Mac, just cause most people I talk to seem to think those are better (and cause I've never had one>>: Ooh, a convert! I'll let you play with Seawolf at G2k2 (briefly). Do the people you talk to include mac and PC users or just mac users? <>: Another bonus, 99.8% of viruses don't affect macs. Of course, that still leaves about 10,000 or so ;-)

Shadowrider: <<Seems that glorious battles are preparing>>: MY LIFE FOR AIUR!

The Wizard: <<96% pure? Wow! I'm envious, 6% more than myself! On with the contest>>: The contest of getting higher or lower? And why on earth are you envious!? That's not something to be proud of.

Daphne: <<Mike (my disneyphobic bf) does>>: Funny, there's a Mike down the hall who's obsessed with Disney. <<what if you put the names on badgers?>>: I don't think that will help 8-) <<don't take this the wrong way, but [hugs]>>: Its hard to take hugs the wrong way ;-) Thanks. ::hugs back::

Ravyn: <<which is why I'm letting him go ... this time>>: Oh thank you for your generosity.

Aingeal: <>: Why do today what you can put off till tommorow?

Nukes: <<unplug his alarm clock one day just to see what happens>>: Problem is that his alarm clock is HIS COMPUTER (he wrote a world-renowned MP3 alarm clock program for Mac), and he'll know if I unplug THAT. <<what kind do you have?>>: If you read my website, you'd know that its Pacbell DSL. <<looks like you converted alan into a mac user>>: Sure, the one I wasn't working on! <<whats a CS project?>>: Computer Science. <<im an idiot>>: We know. <<have you you ever heard of a NR (no rush) policy?>>: Its not so much a "policy", as it is a promise to call anyone who rushes a "total loser". Like I need a policy to do that. <<someone tell me whether cable or dsl is better>>: Depends.

Sevarius Jr: <<join a Berkeley protest>>: trust me dude, you do NOT want to join a berkeley protest. <<This is conceivably something that could be taken all the way to the Supreme Court, because there's just far too much room for unreasonable searches and seizures here>>: I sure as hell hope so. <<for the past 3 weeks I've only received about half of the cable channels I usually receive>>: Please tell me you bitched to them. <>: Yeah. I live in LA, and I'll keep power out of the police's hands at any cost, thank you very much ;-)

DPH: <<We have 2-3 people here who plan on taking over the world>>: I don't think they take us seriously. <<There is one guaranteed way to get rid of a computer virus: reformat the hard drive and re-install the operating system from stratch>>: I wasn't aware you had a hard-on for 5-hour windoze installs. <<A better question would be why Mr Reins had that picture>>: He's a pervert?

Fire Storm: <<Your parents>>: Yeah, perhaps. My mom was a little young to be a hippy, though. <<FreeBSD>>; That one ;-) <<dang hippie mac-user movie stars>>: Your jealousy is SO transparent. <<find yourself a copy of an anti-virus software>>: Drive X! <<The only reason...we LET them have that power>>: My friends and I were talking about the feasibility of a revolution the other day, and the role of the 2nd amendment in such a revolution...it was a pretty interesting discussion. We came to the conclusion that within the next 200 years it will once again be the responsibility of this population to overthrow the gov't and create one that doesn't suck...and we won't be able to do that with no guns.

Yggdrasil: Good luck with work. I've got finals next week too, and not looking forward to it. <<take home exam>>: I wish *MY* exams were take-home! Even if they ALL took 3 days, they'd be SO much less stressful.

"Mr. Oni Macha" is obvioulsy galvatron/squiggy/whatever the jerk-off is calling himself over in S8. That boy needs to get laid more often.

Gside: <<Last time there was a cloud of krypton gas, and some power armor>>: Batman in power armor would kick ass. <<Sure you don't have and extra l in there?>>: LOL! <<You can find a variety that linit themselves to one tentacle per orifice>>: A woman with that "limited" appreciation would be acceptable, I suppose. <<Ah, UHF, a fun movie>>: We don't need no steekin' badgers!

Hmmm...time for sleep. I managed to do ZERO studying tonight. And tomorrow is friday, which means I probably won't do any studying either, because I'm going to NOT SO SILENT NIGHT!!!! JOY!

(its a rock concert). I'll probably be meeting Linkin Park and Alien Ant Farm, so if you have anything you'd like me to pass along, let me know.

Nite all!

He has the intelligence of a sophomore sociology student. -Anonymous Caller, "The Larry Elder Show"
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, December 7, 2001 02:28:01 AM
IP: 64.161.25.231

Gainax is utterly insane. What were they smoking when they did FLCL, and where can I get it? Fake eyebrows, Lupin take offs, South Park animation, booby traps placed one torso length lower, giant mechanical gun toting Things (as in dismembered hands), and guitar surfing El Kabonging alien bunny girls..

Imzadi> <<How exactly does he do that?>>: Last time there was a cloud of krypton gas, and some power armor.
<<mumbles something about killing hippies>>: Suicide is never the answer.

Emambu: <<Next step: tackling them from behind>>: Sure you don't have and extra l in there?
<<Gside hasn't yet double-posted this week so he doesn't fit into either category>>: A true relief on my part.
<<What's the difference between a butt-head and an ass-face?>>: One can get you a job on Star Trek, the other's just ugly.
<<Kind of like how Hippies are another "Californian quirk.">>: I don't know, they've migrated pretty well. I think they have a good foothold in just about every college campus.
<<I'm waiting the day when I get the urge to want to rule the universe>>: Fear not, it comes to all who have been here.
<<Did that>>: So do it again.
<>: You can find a variety that linit themselves to one tentacle per orifice.
<>: Because it is the definition for a word I heard, that is allegely used for testing computer voice simulations.
<<Would it still be bestial if it was between two dragons?>>: I think so, it just wouldn't be bestiality.
<<And isn't that more or less a given, anyway?>>: I think it depends partly on how rough it gets.
<<And how did he turn out?>>: Large. And insane.
<<Do you have "Superman" by Five for Fighting?>>: Just now. I'll see if I like it.
<>: It's at -54.
<<So how many times have you read about Leda and the Swan?>>: Too many. Especially since I found m'boy.
<<what the hell are you pilling the cat with? Alka-seltzer?>>: Anything. They foam up even before you get it down.
<<Does the CR need a repeat of the whole "Kielbasa" discussion?>>: Always. So tasty.
<<Ahhhh... we're not all that bad>>: No, we're not, but in this case, it appears to be all Lain's fault.

Daphne> <<badges>> (my typing is horrible... I almost wrote "badgers">>: Ah, UHF, a fun movie.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Friday, December 7, 2001 01:53:42 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Everyone- I know a lot of people in here bear me ill will, but that's not why I'm here. To avoid any bad consequences, I'll get right to the point of why I am here.

I have recently received two e-mails from someone named "Mr. Oni Macha." I don't know this person, but he or she claims that like me they've been accused of holding several identities because of suspicous IP. In the last e-mail Oni Macha asked me if I would be interested in helping him start a giant flame war in both the tgs and s8 comment rooms. I refused, told him it would solve nothing and he'd get no help from me. Whoever this person is, they may go through with it anyway. Consider this a heads-up. Yes, I still care enough to give one.
Doug Elder
Friday, December 7, 2001 01:43:17 AM
IP: 63.232.120.209

Yggdrasil: <Theoretically you could be getting >10Mb/s although many providers cap this to about 3Mb/s.>
Why do I get the feeling that DSL is a helluva lot cheaper in Canada than it is here?
3mbs here would cost somewhere in the $600+ a month range.
1.5mbs is $200!
Fire Storm
Friday, December 7, 2001 12:35:17 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Greetings;

Well I haven�t had a chance to read the entire CR, but I have a take home exam that's going to be killing me for the next three days, so I'll just reply to what I have read.

Nukes: Well this the first time I've posted to you. Don't be surprised if I post today and then you don't hear from me for quite a while (So far I think my record for being AWOL is about six months.) Anyways on to your question about ADSL and Cable.

I would check with your phone company and find out how far your home is to the central station. The quality and overall reliability of a DSL connection is dependant on the distance that the signal has to travel until it reaches a switching station, from then on the signal normally travels via fibre optic cable so the signal doesn�t degrade much. Most phone companies do not want to give this information out, but if you press they will normally relent and give you the info (at least in Canada they do). If you are more than 5-7km away then don't bother, your connection will be <1Mb/s. With a cable modem your signal will normally be around 1.5Mb/s but it will fluctuate depending on traffic (it can be as high as 8-15Mb/s or as low as .3Mb/s). If by some miracle you are <. 5Km from the central switch, then SIGN UP FOR ADSL.... Theoretically you could be getting >10Mb/s although many providers cap this to about 3Mb/s.

I hope this helps you and if you ever need help in Molecular Biology or Virology just e-mail.

Sevarius Jr: Regarding copyright laws. I might not be a lawyer, but current cases have shown that a copy is illegal if it is made for the purpose of distribution without remuneration to the artist. What this basically means is that you can make a copy of a song THAT YOU OWN
AN ORIGINAL COPY OF for personal use. You can't make a mix CD and sell it or even give it to a friend. Under current copyright laws the end user is permitted to make copies of a product for personal, backup or archival use. So in regards to your post; if they can scan a persons hard drive having MP3's on your HD does not mean that you are breaking the law, provided you do possess an original copy of the source material, or purchased the MP3 from a site that reimburses the artist.

Most countries are trying to come up with a way to protect the artist�s rights, while permitting the transfer of music over the net. Most record companies do not want this because, and this is my own opinion here, there hasn't been a CD out in a while that I have enjoyed every song. I would gladly pay the $1-$2 for that one song, rather than $20 for a CD that I'll never listen to. Right now the consumer has no choice in the matter and is forced to either 1. Purchase the CD wasting their money or 2. Get that "one song" from what is currently a grey market. It is technically illegal, but seldom prosecuted unless you are trying to make a profit on it.

Oh well I've got to hit the library tomorrow. I apologize for offending anyone out there but PHOTOBIOLOGY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. If anyone knows how to make a Jablonski diagram for butadiene please e-mail me.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Friday, December 7, 2001 12:11:41 AM
IP: 24.102.228.58

Ah... There is nothing like looking out your door and seeing that your medical equipment has arrived!

Imzadi: 
No, no... Your parents!
<Sad, isn't it?>
Yes, it is bad when you find your calling so late in life! ;)
<Or go faster than 15 mph. People in NYC already walk that fast>
VERY true! I can see it now, though: They military uses it to move troops faster!
Oh s*17! I Ph34r that may actually be the case!
<Sucks that you work so far from your house>
True. I used to have a job where I could walk to work if necessary.
Hell, I really can't even BIKE ride to work!
<"a few bags" doesn't help me, because then I'd have to shop every other day>
True... But it SHOULD be enough for some milk and some other stuff.
<Nothing. But it is the base of OS X, after all>
Then quit yer itchingB!
Out of curiousity, which version of BSD is it based on? FreeBSD? OpenBSD? NetBSD? OtherBSD?

Emambu: <And leaves nothing behind but the fresh scent of pine>
Wow! I never knew killing could smell so good!
<You know she's putting _way_ too much effort into this site when it starts to affect her health>
I know. She is like that with everything though.

While I prefer to eat my food when it is still alive, cooking does have it's charms.
<I'm torn between laughing at the situation and pitying the police as that won't help their image at all>
I get the feeling it was like a cartoon. They stop shooting and keeps yelling. The police look at him and whack them on the head with their hands.
<"Californian quirks,">
Yeah... Those dang hippie Mac-user movie stars! They are ruining everything!
<YES! Self constructed computers all the way! *grins*>
And I am converting others. I am upgrading peoples computers so they will know the Word!
<So, what is it even good for besides target practice?>
Wasting the money of stupid people.

Patrick: <Where did this idea come from that all MP3s are illegal?>
From the lawmakers. You see, they assume that EVERYONE who makes MP3's trades them illegally.
<In copyright law, it's part of what's called "fair use>
Which no longer applies. They are making it so you CAN'T copy them. But i don't see that suceeding.

Alan Coleman Waltrip: <As for that virus, I can't figure out how to get rid of it>
So my idea didn't work, eh? Well, then find yourself a copy of an anti-virus software.

NukesGoBoom: <about your internet, what kind do you have?>
Currently: Ameritech DSL. I am getting rid of it and switching to Speakeasy DSL.

Christine: <still no news from Chris>
Are you unable to connect to the FTP server or unable to login?
Have you tried FTP'ing it from another internet service provider? I have noticed that some ISP's just stop allowing you to connect to servers. Who knows...
Maybe you can give it to someone else to try to upload it.

SJ/Jan: Whether it is legal or not, the government will make it ok. The only reason they have that power is because we LET them have that power.

Fire Storm
Thursday, December 6, 2001 11:44:45 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

SJ> I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. However, what I'm trying to say and doing a very lousy job at it is that guilty is guilty. It doesn't matter what method was used in obtaining the evidence, if I did the crime, I'm guilty. If I murdered my neighbor and was caught, am I less guilty because I got off because some officer didn't read me my Miranda Rights? no.... did the officer screw up an opportunity to prosecute me? yes. But I still murdered my neighbor....I'm guilty of doing that - just not in a court of law. I said that I didn't necessarily agree with the methods of searching for illegal MP3s on computers and I am a very huge advocate of police having to follow the rules - even more so than the average citizen.... just as I hold a preacher at a higher degree of accountability.
I have my doubts that any enforcement will be made without the proper laws in place and a plan of action on this MP3 issue.
Jan
Thursday, December 6, 2001 11:30:06 PM
IP: 12.110.236.174

Jan> What SJ said. :)
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, December 6, 2001 11:01:28 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

NukesGoBoom: If you come back and see me on an IM, I will send you a file that might help you play it. Then I can send you the updated version of the first video, and the second one, if you want.
I was wondering where you went for awhile there. Glad to hear you have your net back up and running.
lain "lurkingfish" iwakura
Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:31:25 PM
IP: 64.228.194.113

<<What I was trying to point out (and apparently didn't do a very good job of it) was that if you have something illegal and you are aware that its illegal, don't go screaming about your rights being violated or your freedom is being taken.>>

But it's your DUTY to do so, even if you are doing something illegal. These amendments and rules are in place for two reasons: to protect the public, which includes the criminals (due process and all) and to place justifiable restrictions upon the police.

I mean, you will never find a more tireless supporter of the police than me, but if the police were to break into my house without a warrant to perform a search, for example, regardless of whether or not I was doing something illegal I sure as hell would shout about my rights being violated, because they WOULD HAVE BEEN.

Just because you broke the law doesn't mean you negate your rights. If that was the case, than we can just chuck a good portion of the Constitution right out the window.

I know a lot of cops hate these restrictions, and there has been a lot done in the past few years to even rescind the Miranda warnings (a bad idea, IMO), but I feel that the need for these rules to protect the greater societal good is worth the tradeoff.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:19:24 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Stephen > glad the package arrived. Do be on the lookout for the book; I've read all the zombie stories and only ran across a couple that didn't do much for me; the rest were great!

Re: Foglio > well, every time the subject is mentioned, all the gang on Pyramid clamor for him ... it would be perfect! If Steve doesn't accept it but does let us self-publish, we'll approach Phil because he lives nearby and we've done bits of business before (Tim once traded him some M:TG cards for a piece of original art from the Mythadventures comic).

Emambu > always glad to see a review on Sabledrake! Thanks. As for the books, we also take PayPal ; )

Avalon Mists > still no news from Chris. ::sigh::

Book news > it's official; last night I finished Changeling Moon! Took six months with several breaks to do other stuff, 142,000 words.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:09:13 PM
IP: 64.24.214.172

lain- that music video you sent me does not come out as video , just audio. whats wrong!!! i really wanted to see it. i know how much you love trigun :) what should we do?
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Thursday, December 6, 2001 09:58:19 PM
IP: 12.243.67.212

Quick comment and clarification - since Oracle pointed out to me that I didn't say exactly what I meant to say....

I'm not agreeing with the method in which the government would use to discover if you have illegal programs on your computer. What I was trying to point out (and apparently didn't do a very good job of it) was that if you have something illegal and you are aware that its illegal, don't go screaming about your rights being violated or your freedom is being taken.

Metaldemon> yes, there has to be probable cause before one can be detained and it depends on the circumstances on whether or not a search can take place without an actual warrant issued.
I said before that I really doubt that the government is going to waste the time and resources trying to track down illegal users of MP3s. I'm guessing that if they actually did, one method that they could use is to track it from the sites that you've taken the MP3. (if what Patrick says is true, then you've done nothing illegal) Now, if it is illegal, the law has every right to track who receives the MP3s... they can tell if you are just listening or if you are downloading them onto your computer. Do they have this right? yes - it's called receiving stolen property.
Personally, I believe that there will have to be a set of laws that apply to all of this in order for them to be able to go in and "search" for illegal programs.
However, I don't believe that this is an accurate report and I'll be shocked if anything ever comes of it.

Oracle> I never said that I didn't have any illegal programs, but if I get caught with them, I won't be yelling and crying about how the government took away my freedoms, etc. That was my point. I know that there are consequences to my actions and will accept responsibility of that. Like I've said, it's not the method that could possibly be used to detect such programs, but bottom line - I'd be guilty. No matter the method, that doesn't negate my guilt. The method is a separate issue and argument.
Ummm.. are you worried about someone peeking into your windows? *giggles*

Mooncat> I'm not attempting to pursuade you from refusing to have your real name on a name tag. I was only pointing out that you are not as secure as you consider yourself to be. I certainly have no problem with someone being cautious... it's a smart thing to be. Would I not attend the Gathering over something like this? nope! I personally think you made a mountain out of a molehill because of the real name being on the tags. *shrugs*

Emambu> Nice to see you again! I've missed your posts!!
My job keeps me busy, but the stress level is nothing compared to what I spent the last several years doing! Teaching in itself was not so bad, it was the sadistic principal that I worked for. This job is fun AND I have a great boss! =)

In 2 short days, I have accumulated a total of 129 emails in my hotmail account... all spam/junk. 89 made it to the junk folder/filter. geesh.

Survivor: I was glad to see Kelly go. It's a shame that they couldn't vote off 2 at one time... Lex needs to go too *nods*

Does anyone else watch CSI?
Jan
Thursday, December 6, 2001 09:42:43 PM
IP: 12.110.236.174

**looks around for DC's corpse and can't find it within the CR.** Sorry Daphne, but DC revived himself already or someone else removed the corpse.

BTW, I remember giving DC one avoidance of death for a Christmas present. Has DC used it yet?

SJ - <Hell, it's a FACT that quite a bit of YOUR email is screened by government agencies. It's searched by programs, specifically looking for key words and phrases together> Isn't there a day of the year, where a lot of people attempt to overload the FBI computers looking for those keywords? Will emailing the sentence "I & am & willing & to & pay & money & to & bomb & the & Empire & State & Building" get someone in trouble with the FBI? Note: I have put the &'s in case the FBI really does monitor posts. (Of course, it would be funny if someone from the FBI replies the FBI doesn't monitor posts.

I'm suprised if the FBI/CIA doesn't monitor the CR. Why? We have 2-3 people here who plan on taking over the world.

**Toonami Question**
Why are they airing 2 episodes of DBZ every day now?

Another dumb question is are they plan on airing another season on Sailor Moon?
**END TOONAMI question**

Mooncat - "whether" is not spelled wether.

Alan Waltrip - There is one guaranteed way to get rid of a computer virus: reformat the hard drive and re-install the operating system from stratch. Of course, no person likes that option. I was in a computer lab once where it was impossible to remove a virus from this one PC.

Why do I get the feeling Babylon 5 was written as a novel with each episode being a chapter in a book?

Emanbu - <*sees everyone preparing to throw sharp, pointy objects at him*> Sorry, but sharp pointed objects don't do enough damage in my opinion. That's why I made conventional weapons available for the TGS staff to use on any person who asks that question. Thankfully, I've only had to use it once.

I think virtually no person has been asking lately about the status of TD is because GNC copied the announcement about the status of TD.

Emanbu - <Well, I was wondering why not do something similar for TGS?> That would work well as long as the TGS staffers could pass on non-Spoiler notes about those stories. <My destiny was to win a Jalape�o eating contest, and I did that a year ago in Lancaster, PA. I need a new destiny before I let you control it.> How about winning a Haberno eating contest? < Depends on the amount of peppers in the bread (I love Habeneros personally) and how much milk you drink.> I put 6 of them in there and tripled the recipe. I used to a food processor on the peppers first, of course.

**PRETENDER SPOILERS**
Jan - It's Mr Reins. A better question would be why Mr Reins had that picture.

I'd say he distrubuted that picture as a means of self-preservation. Anything beyond that is out of character for Mr Reins. I wonder if Mr Parker didn't have supscions about Mr Lyle being his son when Miss Parker told him about her twin suriving. On the other hand, Mr Parker may have made an alliance with Mr Lyle because both had something to gain from it.

Imzadi - The 1st clone went off to live with Major Charles. I believe that the new Parker baby is special/different in some way.
**END PRETENDER SPOILERS**

Imzadi - <My roommate, on the other hand, never bothers to be curteous> Hehe. When I was working on 3rd shift, I didn't have to worry about my dad waking me up. When I was working on 2nd shift, I had to worry about waking him up.

Silvadel - Sheesh. If you were going to do multiple posts in a row, you don't have to use the image each time. All you're doing in increasing the amount of time it takes to load the CR.

Darn lot boys put a grammatical error in my last post.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, December 6, 2001 09:32:10 PM
IP: 204.94.193.35

Emanbu -- and what is wrong with 4 lucy pics? As for 14 being far from 1 -- I got one last week =)

silvadel
Thursday, December 6, 2001 09:11:31 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

<<Guess what? There are now "services" that can "sniff" the internet for computer users whose hard drives house "illegal" properties, like video files and mp3's. They can find you, identify you, and "force" you to comply to copyright law. >>

So what?

Now, before we go any further, yes, I do think that's ridiculous. I'm actually with you on this issue. We have sand monkeys crashing planes into our buildings, but it seems as if we're more concerned over whether or not people are downloading crap off of Napster. This is the type of blind greed that makes even me, a hardcore capitalist, want to put a Rage Against The Machine album in the cd player and join a Berkeley protest (okay, not really. That's going a little bit too far. But maybe I'll listen to a Rage cd after all, since they sold out anyway.).

The important thing to remember with this crap is that it's only a copyright law being violated. Now, sure, they can put your ass in prison for violating copyright law....if you distribute the violated materials. It gets a little bit more difficult then for them to determine whether or not these are files that you created yourself, or that you received from someone else. At that point, things get mucky, and then it's all a pissing contest over the issue of whether or not the "illegal" mp3s / video files (which they would first have to establish as being illegal, and that's a whole other legal quagmire) were received or were planned to be distributed.

<<These are _illegal_ MP3s and files.>> I would first like to know their definition of illegal. Something off of one of these file sharing websites? Well, you've reached a problem right there. Because not all of the files shared there are "illegally" obtained. There are THOUSANDS of artists and individuals who are releasing their work VOLUNTARILY onto the web, free, for all to enjoy. It's not so simple to point to one file and say, "A ha, that's illegal."

C'mon, this is the most ridiculous law I think I've ever seen. It's the equivalent of those stupid FBI warnings on the front of commercial video tapes. Do YOU abide by them? I don't, and most other people don't either. I proudly admitt that if I rent a videotape from a store, and I like the movie, if I so choose I WILL dub a tape for myself. That's probably illegal. I have no plans to distribute it, but either way, I thumb my nose in their direction.

<<The bit about taking away our freedom - almost every criminal caught screams the same thing. The bottom line is that whatever they were caught doing - it was _illegal_ .>>

Yes, but the entire point of many of those constitutional amendments are SPECIFICALLY to curb POLICE and GOVERNMENT MISCONDUCT. You should be familiar with the exclusionary rule. That was created for one sole purpose - to punish POLICE misconduct. It doesn't matter if the activity was illegal, the police rightfully should have boundaries.

And just for the record, this software seems to just open itself up for a gross violation of the 4th amendment. Should someone actually get hit with the hammer for this, I wouldn't be surprised if they filed a suppression of the evidence based upon a violation of their 4th amendment rights. This is conceivably something that could be taken all the way to the Supreme Court, because there's just far too much room for unreasonable searches and seizures here.

I'm not so naive that I don't think the government infringes upon certain freedoms of our own. Hell, it's a FACT that quite a bit of YOUR email is screened by government agencies. It's searched by programs, specifically looking for key words and phrases together (words like "bomb", "hijack", "Jamas", things like that). And I must admit, that in certain cases, I'm not above the cops bending - if not occasionally breaking - the rules to put a criminal away.

But the point here is that this is all being done just to appease the greedy record / entertainment companies, not out of any serious hard line attempt to reduce copyright crime. And thus, because of that, I'm happy to tell the government to f*** off with their little tech software.

<> Best show I'm not watching.
I can't even begin to explain the situation....basically, I have the world's worst cable provider. So, even though I pay out the ass for the service, for the past 3 weeks I've only received about half of the cable channels I usually receive. Guess which channel is part of those M.I.A.? Yep, Cartoon Network. So all I can say is, I've heard it was good, but I haven't seen it for myself.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, December 6, 2001 08:29:35 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

FUCK att broadbrand. because of all that bullshit that went on with them and excite, i have been without cable internet for like 6 DAYS. waaay too long. im surprised that no one has been talking about it in here... oh well.

lyanti- did you decide to send me those pictures? i was really looking forward to em. :)

josh- about your roommate, i saw that you should unplug his alarm clock one day just to see what happens. youll get your sleep , and you get to laugh at the "holy shit! im late!"

about your internet, what kind do you have? just curious. hope it isnt att broad band like i have.... it completly stopped working for 6 days, across the country.

lol. looks like you converted alan into a mac user.

by the way, whats a CS project? sorry im an idiot.

shadowrider- oh yes, there are some memorable times in the making... i dont plan to lose, but hey, anything is possible.

have you you ever heard of a NR (no rush) policy? its basically an agreement that players make with one another that they wont attack the other for a set amount of time (usually 20-30 minutes) i was hoping that we might set something like that up, but im game for anything.

you can only hope that your 'Battle Crusiers will save you...

lurking fish- im gussing that gside did something wrong???

emambu- that was one LONG A$$ post.

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someone tell me whether cable or dsl is better. im considering switching but i need some opinions.

thanks, you guys own.

NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Thursday, December 6, 2001 07:00:12 PM
IP: 12.243.67.212

Hey Emambu! nice to konw you DO exist.... hmm... I'll try to be online some... i've got massive amounts of HW to get done, all sue tomorrow :(

::yawns and flops in a corner, furiously organizing all the Desktop Publishing Assignments she has to get done, poking through art history books with the other hand, and studying for a religion final with her feet::

I need to learn not to put things off :(

later people.. i'll be come human again after new years.
Aingeal
Thursday, December 6, 2001 06:56:54 PM
IP: 207.42.162.163

Greetings all...

If there's a hell, it must have a pair of yellow arcs over it. Because of the holiday crunch, I've had my hours extended to ridiculous limits over six-day work weeks. Erg. Well, I just hope the money justifies the sacrifice on my feet's part.

God, I wish christmas would get here. Mostly due to the fact my girl Heather is coming back from her work in Pigeon Forge for the holidays, and she's also going to stay home and work during the slow season (back in PF) until march or so... Joy! ^_^

Also found some new anime to rave over (though I think it's been out for a while): Hand Maid May. Cute, Sexy, Funstuff!

A few replies:

GREG-B : Congrats on the new job! Jeez, I want a job in a bookstore... hope it works out for you in the long run!

SJ - Thanks for the heads up on the new Dark Knight series. I have to ask though, what do you think of the new Justice League?

CHRISTINE - Congrats on getting your copies of The Boof of AllFlesh... I'll be looking for it in the stores down here. Oh, and I got the box of holiday treats! YUM!

EMAMBU - Hey, good to see you again!

WRITING UPDATE - Work progresses on my erotica novella for Allure Books, but for those that want to check out a bit of a sample (and are of legal age), you can go to www.allurebooks. com and go to the short story section. They've posted a story of mine as a teaser for what is to come. Any feedback and comments are welcome. (Psst! Patrick, that's your cue ^_^)

Also, want to wish everyone a happy holiday season and best wishes for the next year coming. Will talk to you all later...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, December 6, 2001 06:27:39 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

Yeehawww!!! No more classes, I am a happy camper!!! :) Of course, that means only one thing ... FINALS. Ugh ... :(

Oh, well, at least I'm guaranteed at least a C in Vector Calculus, no matter what I do on the final. That means I'll never have to take it again. Woo hoo! :)

Good luck to all you poor people out there taking finals this time of year too. Let me know how they go! :)

Emambu> <<But I can see you were thinking of something _else_.>> Hey, I was being good *this* time!!! I was thinking of his singing voice on the soundtrack of "Moulin Rouge." :) I didn't know he sang that Elton John song once too ... I might have to hear that sometime. I had no idea Ewan could sing that well. :) <<Yeah, but you have to admit... that was _really_ funny.>> True ... which is why I'm letting him go ... this time. ;) <<Lots of group projects I wager.>> BAD!!! ;)

Shadowrider> <> Ick!!! Hope you feel better soon! :)

Coyote> **huggles for good measure** :)
Ravyn
Thursday, December 6, 2001 05:57:39 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

[delurks]

This time tomorrow, I'll know whether I won the student senate election.... depending on what time you read this, you'll know before Mike (my disneyphobic bf) does.

happy birthdays and holidays where they're due.

Fleur>> sorry 'bout the delay, but I hope your back heals quickly. For what it's worth, you're in my prayers.

Green Baron>> my brother sent me the pictures, but they refuse to open on my computer. once I get them working, I'll send 'em your way.

Emambu>> <The Philadelphia crew's been lacking a bit. :) > seriously. and we call ourselves a contigent? now, if I can just get my friend to start posting here... he loves TGS and knows better than to ask when it starts. [raises eyebrows significantly] :)
<Don't forget to let us know when this book is coming out. > as soon as I know. promise ("cross my heart..."). and thanks for the 'grats and the hug :)
BTW your idea for discussing TGS "reruns" rocks, and as for a nice DC death...

****DC DEATH RP****
Daphne pulls out her cellphone, and makes a quick call. within a few minutes, a herd of giant, sharp-toothed, mutant pineapple/bunnies (or whatever you would call a large group of the above) arrives. they surround DC, and begin poking him with Sharp Pointy Sticks (tm). they continue poking until he stops struggling. the leader pineapple/bunny looks to Daphne. she enters the circle, checks DC's pulse, then shakes her head. No, he's not dead yet. the leader pineapple/bunny nods agreement, and the pineapple/bunnies continue poking DC, until he is a slightly pulpy mass.
Daphne thanks the mutant pineapple bunnies, rewards them with squirrel burgers (made from the finest in evil SJU squirrels), and sends them on their merry way.
****END DC DEATH***

what can I say.... I'm new at this.
DPH>> do you think you can portal the corpse out?

badges>> (my typing is horrible... I almost wrote "badgers") I like the idea of the two-sided badge... but I can't go, so my vote doesn't count.
what if you put the names on badgers?

clean apartments>> gender is irrelevant. my roommate's side of the room is incredibly neat and organized.... my side is buried in books and papers.

Josh>> <Today has not be a good day. > don't take this the wrong way, but [hugs]

God bless, all!
[relurks]
Daphne
your connection to the pineapple/bunnies
Thursday, December 6, 2001 02:56:36 PM
IP: 129.68.138.125

** Niamhgold enters briefly **

Shoot, here I've got a few minutes to respond and then I suddenly got invited to a friend's animation exhibition. So, I'll try and make a coherent post later, if not this weekend, since I've got a lot of work to do. I hope this exhibition is worth it, thought it'll be fun to be guest of honor for a change. And I hope that the quality of his movie doesn't depress me about the quality of mine ;)

Emambu: ** Hugs ** Welcome back, again. And 96% pure? Wow! I'm envious, 6% more than myself! On with the contest ;)

Gotta wear something decent, which requires digging through my closet. So, I'll be back later!

Adios!
Niamhgold
Thursday, December 6, 2001 01:13:10 PM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Oracle <<I don't think anyone was trying to prove that -your- personal info was available, just that there are major kinks in your master plan of anoniminity. What Jan does have is the info your website is registered to. So hey, it might be your mom's info she has. Name, address, phone number and where you got that website from is totally accessable online. So, if anyone has registered a domain and didn't use a psuedonym and false into, someone can come to their house or call them up. >>

Hi Oracle, well I think that sort of proves my point. In general, to get the info you mention, the person being stalked would have to have a registered domain, such as I do, which most people do not have. From how Jan was talking, just having an e-mail addy or IP# was enough for any ordinary Joe to track down personal info on somebody. Which I thought sounded very odd.

What you are talking about public info for registered sites. And the info both you and Jan accessed is not my personal info, but the contact info for my person of business, the person who I've given authority to act in my name in regards to the management of my domain. I actually didn't know that information was available to the casual public, but oh well, live and learn. This is why I have a third party buffer for.

<<Anyway, I guess most ppl's points is that just because you use "Mooncat" online, doesn't mean you're protected in anyway. Its honestly not that hard to find info if you're looking for it. Hell, that's why those 800-Find-JoeBob places make so much money. Most of their research is done online and they're not hackers either.>>

No, you don't have to be a hacker. I never said you did. Just a persistent snoop. And I don't depend on one on-mail net nick as a security measure, or as the end all or be all of my security measures/firewalls.

But wether or not using a Net alias is an adequate protection measure or not, that still does not negate my right to privacy or give just cause to deny me the choice of wether or not to directly give out my full personal name or to not want to have it blazoned across person without my willing consent.

So really, you and Jan haven't convinced me that I should give large groups of unfamiliar people my personal info just because some stalkers could find info about me by other means. To me, that's kind of like saying that because wearing a seatbelt isn't guanteed to save your life, you shouldn't bother wearing one. Me, I'm the kind of person who wears the seat belt always, and has front and side airbags, etc.

Well, got most of the cleaned, but have a few odds and ends to tidy before guests show up, so gotta scoot.

later
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Thursday, December 6, 2001 01:06:29 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Hi everyone. Sorry for not posting for a while, but my last midterm and a quite strong flu attack kept me away from here. Luckily for me, usually fever does not influence my concentration ability, but when I am feverish my tolerance to monitor radiation is very low...I cannot watch a monitor for more than a couple minutes without having a terrific headache. Oh, well, anyway...midterms are over for a couple months, and I am quickly recovering from the flu, so I will also see to arrange replies to emails tonight. Speaking of it, I'm going to send a email to Kit and Doug as well...anyone wants me to tell them something?

Hmm...it is a while that atmosphere in the CR seems a bit...creepy...to me, due to some political comments I feel uneasy about. I don't want to start a discussion, so I stop here. Just for information...

Nukes:> <<lets just say im getting well prepared for all of my challengers! >> Seems that glorious battles are preparing...

DPH:> <<while driving around with a friend, I end up yawning. Of course, that may be because I have reached a level of relaxation that can't get around my dad. >> Well, considering what you say about your father, I can say I see your point.

Fleur:> <<spine fracture>> Oh, damnit! I am sorry of hearing that. Well, I know I am very late, but I wish you a quick and full recovery! <<it's possible to be in so much pain that you can no longer form words, only weird grunting animal noises. >> I know.

Aaron:> <> Wrong. The Typhoon is European, made by BAE, DASA, CASA, and ALENIA. For more info, see www.eurofighter.pso-online.com

Niamhgold:> Got your mail, gonna reply soon!

Emambu:> Welcome back! <<So check _your_ e-mail.>> Gonna do it right now. Actually, I was starting to believe that email didn't reach you, so I was going to resend it...but since you got it, never mind. <<Ahhh... mine's Halloway77. Hopefully the time differences will still enable us to try and chat once in a while. >> Yes, I already got it. I hope we will meet sometimes.
<< I've been meaning to get that... but I keep finding corrupted copies. >> Weird...I got it correctly at the first try. Where are you trying to download it from?
<<What's your record of consecutive hours? >> Er...you mean in driving, right? Well, there was a 14 hours (1200 kms) with my bike, stopping just to refuel...about cars, I never had a chance to enstablish a record, I did a 8-hours in a single trait, while in longer travels I drove in shifts. The longest travel I did in absolute was an Italy-England in 30 hours, with four people alternating in drive...
<<If you don't want to be corrupted, don't finish that thought. >> Bad news...I am already corrupted...eh eh eh...

All right, I am sure I am forgetting something...well, if it is so, I will try to remedy next time. See everyone!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Thursday, December 6, 2001 01:06:01 PM
IP: 213.255.20.123

Josh >> Funny. You're a funny guy. Seriously, the next computer I get will most likely be a Mac, just cause most people I talk to seem to think those are better (and cause I've never had one).

As for that virus, I can't figure out how to get rid of it. It's just plain annoying now. I'm at the university's computer right now, because the advice offered here didn't seem to help at all. I'll get it fixed in due time. But in the meantime, I'm going to be using my hotmail account so I don't inadvertenly send it to anyone (and since I can use that account at other computers)...

In other news, after next week all my finals will be over and I'll have a month off, only to have to go back in January. At least it will give me time to finish up my TGS stuff that I have pending (two stories and an outline that needs to be finished).

To whoever posted the idea about picking out a TGS story and discussing it during the downtime... I like that idea, quite a bit. We could appoint a moderator to pick the stories each week... that's a very good idea.

Gotta go...
Alan Coleman Waltrip - [alan0815@hotmail.com]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Thursday, December 6, 2001 12:48:40 PM
IP: 64.210.241.103

Where did this idea come from that all MP3s are illegal? When I buy a CD or a book or a videotape a piece of software, I am perfectly entitled to make a backup copy for my own personal use. In copyright law, it's part of what's called "fair use." So if I want to store my entire CD collection on my computer as MP3s, I'm within my legal rights to do so. Now, if I decide then to upload all my MP3s to the web and sell them to the rest of you for 25 cents per download, then I would be in violation of the law. But just the possession of MP3s? Don't make me laugh.
Patrick Toman
Thursday, December 6, 2001 12:46:45 PM
IP: 64.81.9.210

Hello all. How's everyone's work load as we all get closer to exams and crunch-time holiday shopping? I swear if the Monroeville mall is as packed as it is now, then I don't want to see it in the days leading right up to Christmas. Next time I go, I'm bringing my roommate's hockey equipment so I won't feel so bad for having to check people when they cross into my own personal blue line.

Actually though, I'm feeling much more relaxed than normal. I recently got back a Java exam; didn't do so hot so I was rather upset. But then I went to my professor to try and see what I did wrong and we both discovered two glaring errors that the graders made. So I got 15 points back on the exam and suddenly it's looking about where I thought it should have been from the start. The moral of the story: DON'T LET TA'S GRADE AN EXAM... especially one that's worth 25% of the final.

Lastly, I'm looking forward to my concert this coming Friday. I think we're going to sound pretty good despite the fact that it's a hard arrangement. Hopefully, this will dispel any rumors that we're second-rate singers. *grins* Wish me luck.

**********TGS RELATED QUESTION**********
So, are there new episodes being created and when's the exact time and date that they will be released? *sees everyone preparing to throw sharp, pointy objects at him* Ack! I was only kidding. :)

Okay, if this isn't a good idea for practical purposes or if there's just not enough general interest, than please let me know now. However, I thought about this in response mainly to a lot of people coming into this CR asking when new episodes were coming out (a good sign that there's still a lot of interest), partly in response to what the S8 comment room's been doing for the past several weeks, partly as an attempt to generate more Gargoyles/TGS discussion in here (not that I have anything against other series being talked about too), and partly to just throw out a thought I've had running around in my head for a little while. As I'm sure you all know, S8 has a weekly discussion about Gargoyles where they pick and episode and talk about it, points worth bringing up, ruminations, plot uncertainties, etc. Well, I was wondering why not do something similar for TGS? Every week we could single out one story from one of the series and talk about it. What were your impressions the first time you read it? Go back and read it again. Were there any, knowing what you know now, differences or anything new that seemed to jump up and grab you. Any particular scenes that you still like? Any continuity problems or mechanical mistakes that you still have questions about? Were there any themes you thought were going to become important later on when you read it that didn't? Were there any themes that you didn't think would be too significant when you first read it that instead turned out to be quite significant? Any little miscellaneous ruminations or thoughts about the story that you had or still have? If the author is still around, maybe he/she could offer their own comments on their story when its turn comes. In general, you just talk about anything and everything. And of course, it'd all be voluntary. No one would _have_ to participate all the time, and even if you do, no one _has_ to talk about everything listed above. Those would just be things to get the ball rolling so to speak. You can say as little or as much as you'd like. So... thoughts? Good idea, bad idea, not sure if it could work? I'm really interested in hearing opinions from everyone. Thank you.
**********END TGS RELATED QUESTION**********

Christine: <<why, you can always order them off of my site>> Which would require a credit card, and though I have one, it's really only for emergencies. Money order could work though if you accept that... basically I'll have to see what my funds look like after Christmas. <<Signed, too, with any message>> Hmmmm... tempting... <<(well, within some reason of discretion)>> Oh sure, just ruin my fun why don't you. :) <<Final score from her room: 6 bags trash, 2 bags too-small clothes, five boxes toys for yard sale or donation. And no tantrums!>> Sounds like it was a successful battle then. <<Though I stooped to bribing>> Cheater! ;) <<Last night at work I defended my title of cold and pitiless bitch, huzzah!>> You really need a scepter with a golden hand that's giving everyone the finger on top. Though, to be fair, it sounded more like your bitchiness was justified. <<Probably be pretty popular>> I don't know... most people don't actually like reading about faults that hit close to home. It's one of the reasons why my grandma never liked Glenn Close's character in "Cookie's Fortune." ;) <> Try explaining to him that Santa can't fit all of that stuff on sleigh. <<AvMists update>> No rush, considering you're in the midst of holiday work. Looking forward to its release though.

Greg Bishanksy: <<YES! YES! We should have that!!!>> Heh, between you, Aaron, and Mara I can see G'03 getting a little... kinky. Register early and receive an autographed copy of a fic by Madame Destine, Mooncat, or Christine Morgan. The security will be Chippendales dancers. Hmmm... I'd better quit while I'm ahead. <<Yeah, didn't really care for it.>> You obviously don't have a Milton in your life then. <<and when that was over the Puritans began persecuting the Native Americans, and eventually they began persecuting each other.>> Hypocrisy at its finest. <<But who cares, we get a big feast for dinner!>> LOL! <<and soon I will be the master of yours!!! ;)>> My destiny was to win a Jalape�o eating contest, and I did that a year ago in Lancaster, PA. I need a new destiny before I let you control it. <<Today I had my interview at Barnes & Noble, and I was hired>> Congratulations! <<Okay, it's settled, naked Demona on the Gathering 2003 Con Badge.>> *shakes head* What have I started? <<Which one of my many jokes has caused this uproar ;)>> The Osama Bin Laden caused an uproar for me, but that's only because I was laughing really hard. ;) <<And above all, there are some very attractive girls working there ;)>> One of the first incentives of knowing that you're at a good job. Next step: tackling them from behind. ;) <<YOu like "Titus" to?>> There are a lot of "titus" fans in here it seems. <<My expectations are low, but it looks a lot better than "Phantom Menace".>> Ok, Episode I disappointed me in a few ways and Episode II may as well. However, in its defense, I don't think that Lucas is killing the Star Wars franchise by having a love story for two reasons 1) It's just gotta happen. At some point, he becomes a father so it has to happen somewhere in this new set. 2) Go watch Episode V and VI again. You want to tell me there's no love story anywhere in either movie? ;) My point is that this is not some off the wall tangent that will bring down Star Wars.

Carolynn Marie: <<Actually, I am a Drew female ;P Small world after all.>> Cool... thought so. 'Twas my brother's alma mater. I just remember going up and visiting a lot. There was this one cafe place at the edge of the campus called "The Other End" (I think, it's been a few years) that we'd go to with some of his friends. *Grins* Now, what will be really freaky is, do you have a history class with a Professor Kohn? :)

Josh: <> Well, that's why I made the offer. It looks as though one airport has a shuttle service, which is nice, but the other two won't. I just figure that if I'm not on the staff I should least make an attempt to be useful *shrugs* <<Else probably not ;-)>> I'll be sure to wear my con badge with pride then *grins* <> Nah... that's only for serious crimes and religious figures. Gside hasn't yet double-posted this week so he doesn't fit into either category. <<Or maybe I just make sure to post every day despite my real life, simply because I need to keep in touch with my friends here.>> That's probably the reason... you have more on-line friends than I do. <<Does that mean you're gonna keel over?>> Why, do you want me keel over? <<The bigger problem is that most writers don't think they need them.>> Yeah, but then they need some people to give them feedback stating that might be in their best interest to have one. ...well, maybe say that in not quite as many words. <<Then its still a price.>> Oh fine, be picky then :) <> *nods* Ok, it just looked like you were bitching about proofreaders who take a long time posting feedback. I also "get to it when I can." Sorry, it rubbed me the wrong way. <<and I'll be putting my nose to boobs anyway ;-)>> Yeah, but at least you'll have a good excuse if they try and call you on it *grins* <<Yes, but you're implying that the company you keep is mentally incapable of fixing computers.>> No, I was implying that most people cannot learn it at the drop of a hat, which is what you seemed to be implying. Yes, most people are just never educated in how to use them and fix them (like me up until recently) and so are therefore afraid of even trying. But even with education, some just pick up on it faster than others. <<No thanks, I have a life>> I do too, it just differs from yours. <<Not a great movie, but still cool.>> I still don't see it. Halle Berry's breasts do not a cool movie make. The plot changed directions at least five times. My friend summed it up nicely, "that was the ADD film of the year." (And before anyone jumps me, he has ADD) <<But I'm SJ's clone, so I must be at least as special as him>> Since when were clones given equal rights? <<Nevermind the details.>> I will not. ;) How can someone be hot if they're drawn poorly? You can tie that directly into your statement about how the naked Demona con badge should be drawn by someone talented in that field. <<Wuss. My roommate was up till 7.>> Oh... you're going to bring in roommates then? Ok... this past weekend my one roommate got up at 11:00am Friday and didn't go to bed until 12:00pm Sunday. One of my other roommates is a marine, so even if you can beat 49 hours, I'll trump you with some of his stories. ;) <<Or a porn.>> You _would_ think that wouldn't you? *grins* <<What made you think that?>> Her comment about how small print letters for the con badges would be an interesting way of meeting guys, in that we'd all be staring at each other's chests. ...Or were you just being facetious? :) <> With what? I gotta find some of that. <<Go to G2k2.>> Oh, I will. <<GREAT movie.>> YES!! I knew I wasn't the only one who thought that. <<You can if its all there is to eat for 3 weeks straight.>> Not if you've had my Nana's cooking. <<Um...how will you do that exactly?>> By continuing to be myself. It's worked for nineteen years so I don't why it won't work for nineteen more years. <<A LOT>> Ok... so instead of having room for every story, why not have one for every author and the person can just specify which story. That would save space. <<You're an engineer, right?>> CS major; close enough. <<Or just that a lot of us were dating each other.>> Or that... yeah. <> ...And that makes me bitter and hateful. <<reading my new Star Wars book>> Which one? <<How will that help?>> If nothing else, it'll keep her mind off the pain on more... pleasant things. <<How does HIS career recover?>> The same way that the guy who raped Edward Norton Jr in "American History X" will recover. <> Well, that created a bad mental image. <<Freaks.>> Seriously... it's not like the game was _that_ good, at least not as good as the game it was cloned from. <> Keyword being "Yet?" <<Not everyone will be able to live down an 8" blue gargess across their chest.>> But it would be really funny to see some of them try. <<LOL! "The Ref" Rocked!>> Yes it did, though probably because it was just Denis Leary being Denis Leary. He's one of the reasons I liked "Suicide Kings." The other being Christopher Walken. :) <> That's why we have an Adult CR. <> It'll need a witty but sexy saying also. <<What kind of a silly system do you use?>> Apparently he uses Windows ME... which explains a lot. If you want modular home usage that badly than get XP. It's much faster, and its driver database is _huge_. <<working on a CS project ALL NIGHT LONG>> I love those nights. Those are fun nights. What sucks is when you have to do that by yourself. <<My roommate, on the other hand, never bothers to be curteous>> Revenge, pure an simple. Come... join the ranks of the spiteful. <<Those aren't the same thing>> Except that, when you're rich, the chances of having a nice car increases exponentially. Besides, don't you plan on taking over the world one day? I doubt it'll be hard to procure a sweet ride. <<And if me, why not SJ, since we're the same person>> Maybe she's got a thing for younger men.

Siyrn: <<Thankyou for all the kind words!>> Well, if you're doing the work then the least I can do is be supportive, right? <<Heh...and no I'm not really a mother Thereasa...>> Oh ok... Florence Nightingale then. ;) <<ONLINE REGISTRATION IS NOW UP! *points to link*>> Awesome! I should be registering within the week *grins* <<And more of the site will be up and updated within the following days.>> Cool, I'll be sure to keep track of events then.

CrzyDemona: <<Naked Demona con badges? Don't tempt me!>> Why not? It's not like it'd be hard to "persuade" you. ;) <<Bickering... don't have a holiday without it!>> Especially at my house *grins* I'm looking forward to Christmas. Nothing brings out the emotions like the most wonderful time of the year.

Shadowrider: <<Check your email.>> Sorry, about the delay. Exams and holidays made for a busy two weeks, but I did reply. So check _your_ e-mail. :) <<Hi people, I manage to write two posts in two consecutive days!!! It is unbelievable!!!!>> I need to be more like you. <<Nice to see the castle is still holding...>> If by "holding" you mean with spit and chewing gum and good wishes... <<My screen name is shadowriderit.>> Ahhh... mine's Halloway77. Hopefully the time differences will still enable us to try and chat once in a while. <> I've been meaning to get that... but I keep finding corrupted copies. *shrugs* <<TGS is keeping the mythos alive (and Timedancer is coming soon!)>> *grins* I can't wait either! <<Not that great endurance, huh, dude? ;)>> What's your record of consecutive hours? <> Awesome... congratulations! <<it is the second time I hear mentioning this book...I wonder if...>> If you don't want to be corrupted, don't finish that thought. ;)

Spacebabie: <<My dad is thinking about coming with me to the gathering, yes thats cool but..How the heck can I FLIRT with my dad around?>> Well, he doesn't have a locator bracelet around your ankle and a leash around your neck, right? Just ditch the guy and go flirt. You're an adult, I think it'll be ok. :) <<Your staying I hope.>> *grins* Why, what are you offering? Seriously, I'll try and post more regularly than I've been posting these past few months. Like now, for instance, this is my second post in as many weeks. <<Well its one of those that wraps around the arm.>> All the way around the arm? I've heard in some East Asian cultures that that's bad karma. Still, that sounds pretty cool. The only thing Kanji that I have is my wall mounted scroll that says "tranquility." <<Heh Heh heh, maybe I should a ttempt to write a fic for the Adult room.>> Hmmm... can we hold you to that promise? ;) <<(stares at the single men in the CR with hungry eyes)>> Crap, well there goes my chance at flirting with you. David Boreanez I ain't... well, ok, _maybe_ I got the nose but that's it. <> YES! Another Penn and Teller fan *grins* <<Unless it was Sorrow. Then youd be in her lap and slobbering like a puppy>> Would it be in that order though? <<Yeah. One of them managed bewitching you into being their love slave.>> Oh, like he's complaining. ;) <<Also this 27th will be my parents 30th anniversary.>> Cool, congrats to your parents!<> The number that comes after 29. <<Hey I just know how to tame these boys.>> Riiiiggghhhtt. <<The apartment of college boys=toxic waste dump, yeah that would have been a major project>> Don't get me started on the cleanlines of some girl's apartments. My room's pristine in comparison. <<but I like to strut around naked indoors.>> So? ...what's the problem here? <<a large group of seagulls stared to fly into the area and swoop down>> The best is when they try to steal the fries out of your hand as you're going to eat it. <<It was like a Hitchcock movie>> Oh, Jannie would love it then *grins* <<Ooops that�s what I would do to you>> So.... you're going to search for boy toys at the Gathering but if they try anything they get bound and gagged? o_O I foresee whips, latex, and people calling you "mistress" in all your future relationships. <<DON�T YOU CALL ME LITTLE>> *grins* you sounded like Lexington just then, though that's probably not a bad thing if you've got your eye on Thom.

DPH: <> What language were you using? Multiple class files would have probably been even easier than subroutines. <<On the other hand, this is probably going to the most anticipated season since TGS began. :-)>> Anything with Brooklyn in it makes me want to read it. <<BTW, where is the Harry Potter reference in TGS>> Gotta be somewhere in Pendragon season 3, and that's aout as much as I know. <<**REBOOT SPOILERS**>> I really wish I had a TV. I could be watching this show *sighs* <<don't eat cornbread with haberno peppers in it, drink some milk, and go out for a walk for more than 10 minutes. You'll end up with a severly upset stomach.>> Depends on the amount of peppers in the bread (I love Habeneros personally) and how much milk you drink. <> Or those attachments that say blah.doc.exe or sometimes .bat. Those are just shady. <<As I expected, no computer viruses were found!>> Guess you're not popular enough *grins*

Rayvn: <<and yeah, hoo boy, can he ever *sing*>> I was talking about a movie he was in (can't remember the name of the title) when he had to sing "You Song" and then later in an interview Elton John remarking about how Ewan did it better than he ever could. But I can see you were thinking of something _else_. ;) <<Hope you all had a great holiday, and a good time.>> More or less, yes. Thanks for asking. <<Especially really sexy ones, or really *fast* ones>> Aren't they one and the same? Call me crazy but I've never heard of a sexy Pinto. <<And how do you do *homework* for that class???>> Lots of group projects I wager. <<MEMO>> ROTFL... I'm showing my brother that! ;) <<I'm gonna have to get you for that one ... ;)>> Yeah, but you have to admit... that was _really_ funny. :) <> Woo-hoo! Can never go wrong with chocolate *eats cookie* <<we'll make sure to make a really sappy really real post in here together just for all of you>> Give a day's warning so I can pass out the vomit bags to all the single men in the CR ;)

SOROW: <<Today was my birthday. I'm 19. And what did I do all day? Nothing.>> If it makes you feel any better, I didn't do anything on my 19th birthday and probably won't do anything in a few months for my 20th either. These are the lull years between 18 and 21. Make sure you get all your friends together for your 21st. ;) Still, happy belated birthday! <<We had freezing rain today and hopefully it'll snow soon>> Texas gets freezing rain whereas in Pittsburgh the weather is bordering on balmy? ...Does anyone else see a problem with this scenario? <<Wish me luck cause I really need it.>> Good luck! *raises mug of orange juice* Here's to it being as painless a process as possible.

Fire Storm: <<It's better than being a butt-head>> What's the difference between a butt-head and an ass-face? <<Welcome... to MY world!>> Welcome to the world of everyone in CS. <<If done right, no blood, no mess!>> And leaves nothing behind but the fresh scent of pine. <<What an excellent combination! :)>> Especially in that order! <<She wanted to keep going until she either finished or collapsed on her keyboard due to sleep.>> You know she's putting _way_ too much effort into this site when it starts to affect her health. <<So I kicked her to bed. She needed it!>> Excellent move! <<They get to paint the eyes on the women! ;)>> Oh, if only that were really true. <<Add a little lemon and butter and you have a nice little meal in under 15 minutes!>> I didn't know Xenomorphs cooked their meals. I always thought you guy ate people raw. Or is this coming from the newly evolved _domestic_ Xenomorph? ;) <> What, a grenade? <<The Mac shall die with you.>> So let it be written, so let it be done. <<WCSX, is playing nothing but Beatles music all weekend long,>> Hmmm... I need cooler Beatles MP3's. Right now, the only thing I've got that's even remotely (using the term loosely here) unique is Elenor Rigby done entirely in strings. <<After firing ten tear gas canisters, officers discovered that the man was standing beside them>> I'm torn between laughing at the situation and pitying the police as that won't help their image at all. <<Every single one of those places I have been into in this area use PCs.>> Maybe it's just one of those unique "Californian quirks," the fact that they all use Macs. Kind of like how Hippies are another "Californian quirk." <<The other part is the fact that I do NOT like to buy pre-built machines.>> YES! Self constructed computers all the way! *grins* <<This has neither ability>> So, what is it even good for besides target practice?

Mandolin: <<INCOMING RANT!>> Ooo... cool rant. Actually I hope you do get to meet the guy in person one day. The results could be... amusing. :) <<It's getting fairly frustrating for staffers, mainly because we're as frustrated with our progress as our readers are.>> Well, you guys are working for free and doing this during your spare time (which some seem to have an understandably short supply of). I for one would rather wait longer for something better than see a rushed job done now. If it is getting too stressful answering questions all the time then why not simply delegate one or two people to be official TGS "spokesman" so that when a newbie question is asked they can answer in less harsh manner and the actual writers, artists, and project heads won't have to worry about it. Just a thought though.

Kyryn: <<Good to see you again!>> Thank you; you as well! <<it's been a very good car. ;)>> I wish my cars would be that nice to me. I found out that the transmission in mine is slowly dying. So I've got a few months to find out where I'm going to come up with $1000 to replace it. I need to start looking for jobs during my Spring semester. <> One of the few times I was up that early and Pittsburgh looked more London, grrr...

Gside: <<Of course. It has been much longer than Wilek's recent lags.>> I'm waiting the day when I get the urge to want to rule the universe. <<Will there be whips and latex involved?>> Only if you ask nicely and submissively... <> Oh, don't thank me. It's not of my choosing I assure you but rather the reality of the situation. <<Get Morpheus>> Every copy of Morpheus I've gotten was corrupted or had some type of virus on it... <<By Ryuichi Sakamoto? Sorry, no.>> Ah well, no bother. I'll just go to the store, order it, and wait the several months for it to arrive (as it's back-ordered). <<Start talking about why guys like lesban porn>> Did that <<And contemplations on tentacle hentai wouldn't hurt either>> Hmmm... that'll depend on the woman though. I know a few who don't think that having a mass of squirming things crammed into every posible orifice is their cup of tea. <<Or a burning dead hamster (of the same gender).>> *grins* I gotta know, what is it with you and this fascination of people shoving burning dead hamsters of the same gender up their asses? <<Endless bestial dragon sex?>> Would it still be bestial if it was between two dragons? And isn't that more or less a given, anyway? <<all my father ate was spaghetti one night, steak the next>> And how did he turn out? <<So you want your mp3, do you?>> Do you have "Superman" by Five for Fighting? That song is so begging to be an eventual gargoyles filk. <<(it's New Hampshire, population -42)>> I could have sworn Wyoming's was even less than that. <<At least there's a good amount of bestiality.>> So how many times have you read about Leda and the Swan? <<Both>> Both? I can see the owner but... what the hell are you pilling the cat with? Alka-seltzer?

Aingeal: <<you might want to check your spelling on the e-mail name ;) could cause some challenges }:->>> Quiet... you'll blow my cover. ;) BTW, I need to get on AIM or MSN and find time to talk to you at some point. Hopefully tomorrow. <<GET ONLINE!!! Need to plan for meetings>> I do get on-line, but we keep missing each other. Ok, if you read this today, I'll be on AIM and MSN tonight (like around 8pm) and will be on for the rest of night until I go to bed (1 or 2ish).

Niamhgold: <<Monsters Inc. was good enough for me.>> Yay, someone else like the movie! :) <<I'm going to wish I never mentioned the possibility ;)>> Strangely, none of the guys are wishing that. ;) <<:: HUGS ::>> *hugs back* Wasn't expecting that *grins* <> I wouldn't have a problem with that except I all but promised people that I'd meet them at their respective terminals from planes and trains, to help make their long trip a little bit less stressful. That's why I offered for you as well, so you wouldn't have to fly to or drive such a long distance. <<if you can avoid being my brother...no problem>> I dunno... how does your brother act? ;) <<You?>> Been busy with Spanish work and computer programming, but I'm relatively satisfied with my grades (if only I could pull up my Calc II grade, then I'd be ecstatic). <<Plus, there are some...sexual connotations>> Oh, like you can't find them in other culinary foods from other cultures as well. Does the CR need a repeat of the whole "Kielbasa" discussion? :) <<Watch it...I'm really competitive>> I'm 96% pure according to TheSpark (And yes, I answered every question honestly-- Fortunately, what one thinks isn't part of the test). You'd have a hard time beating me. ;) <<All right, yet ;)>> That's better *grins* <<2: I have _you_ guys!>> As Graeme would say, "Awww... mush!" ;) <<Unless he suddenly decides to drive like a maniac ;)>> Nah, I wouldn't do that. I'd like to get down there and experience this all in one piece. Now, the ride back on the other hand... :) <<You should check into getting this one guy, a marine...>> *grins* Oh, I am so going to win this. <<They've _love_ the sculptural work>> Agreed... the two pieces she showed me are _amazing_, absolutely stunning. <<He should be dunked in acid.>> That'll certainly get rid of tatoos. <<cuz we're all 19/20/21 and should be mature by now>> *grins* Yeah, let them think that... <<Of course, he may be slightly used...>> Ok, that's just _wrong_ on so many levels. ;)

Lynati: <<Everybody knows I have virtually no life outside my fic. ;)>> That's not true. You have your art, and your sculpting. Both of which you seem very dedicated to. You'd have to be to go 52 straight hours. <<I�m kinda going to need that number before I can use it, though>> yep, yep... I'll make sure you get it before you leave. I promise. <<Come to the Gathering, the great proving grounds of old...>> Or, if you and Aingeal get to visit in December, you could always relay my proof to the others since they know you exist. :) <> And with your sanity relatively intact too, congrats! :) <<52 � hours. Woo! Beat that. ;)>> Oh I will someday. My record's 49 hours currently, but it's only a matter of time... <<From 1 person to 2, but that is growth, ne>> And 100% growth at that. <<Aaron DOES look better in a dress than I do>> Don't feel too bad. Aaron could probably upstage a lot of women. He's got such elegant curves. ;) <<mini-gatherers, you have an email in>> Got it, looks in order. Oh, if I can go (95% sure I can, but not 100%) then I'll be there one night, just 'till the 30th. Next on the list: Hoteling. I need to get in on the AIM chats *grins*

Lady Mystic: <<TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATE>> Impressive! Thanks for updating the archives as it helps lurkers/slackers like me catch up on everything I've missed. BTW, you shouldn't put this site ahead of sleep. *grins* I guess it's good Fire Storm's around to remind you of that.

Warpmind: <<and then I hear Puck say "Was it a dream, or a prophecy?">> Or, "The Phoenix Gate, tell me you have it!" That's what I keep hearing anyways. ;) <<look it up. If you dare.>> I believe I will. And then I believe I'll wish I hadn't. <<Wings of Honneamise? Sorry; no clue>> S'all right. Was worth a shot. <<Can't really complain; it pays well.>> You don't steal from the offerings do you? <<*Blink* *Glance around* Um, nevermind. };)>> What, you act like we've never heard the word used in here before. ;) <<Second, what the heck does the Chamber of Commerce and Industry know about me?>> *conspiritory whispher* more then you realize. <<save time, introduction, and those oh-so-abundant mispronounciations>> But I always get a laugh when people mispronounce my last name. :) <<Back to my job at UNATCO, I guess>> Ooo... have fun. Give Agent Navarre a bullet in the head for me. ;)

Winterwolf: <<Winterwolf stops in for a few brief lines>> Yep... that was brief all right. Think maybe you could step in for a longer post sometime in the future?

Fleur: <<According to some fanfics, Lexington is actually bigger than Goliath.>> ehh? Whose fanfics are those? Not any that I've read let me tell you... <<There's quite a few writers out there who could use another pair of eyes to look over their work. Myself included. :)>> You have my e-mail address... <> That might be the best idea, at least for me. <<*L* See now you're just teasing me.>> Yeah, that's me... one big tease. :) <<*pouts* I wanna be offensive, dammit! :D>> Offensive or offended? Abuse I can do. I've watched much Monty Python. ;) <<Maybe you should get a stronger patch.>> Too much trouble, I'll just buy more patches and slap them all over my body. <> Eeep! OMG, I'm so sorry to hear that *would give you a big hug but seeing as that'd hurt, settle instead on a passive hug* I hope you recover quickly. <<it's possible to be in so much pain that you can no longer form words, only weird grunting animal noises>> I don't doubt that. I hope you feel better. <> So does this mean you've officially replaced Spacebabie as the new Queen of Pain? <> I'm leaning towards something good looking, nude, and male. ;) BTW, when was it your birthday? Happy Belated Birthday!! <<I'm going to have to work out a way to use this computer from my bed.>> Get someone to buy you a wireless keyboard and mouse. My friend has one, and he almost never leaves his bed.

Daphne: *hugs* Good to see you in here again! The Philadelphia crew's been lacking a bit. :) <> Not from me... maybe Josh. <<I'm getting published!!!!!>> Congratulations! That is so, undeniably cool. Don't forget to let us know when this book is coming out. <<geez, this lurking thing is harder than I thought...>> *grins* Tell me about it. Every time I try to get out, they keep pulling me back in. <<I'm a little bummed that the only people I could tell in person really didn�t care>> Ah, there're just jealous of your success. It happens. Again, my congrats on this!

Jannie: <<Wow, so many talented artists in the CR!!>> Whereas some of us *raises hand* have trouble drawing stick figures. *smacks forehead* And I missed your birthday too! Happy belated birthday! Hopefully, it was peaceful and restful, since your job doesn't seem to allow for much of that.

Hailarstar: Welcome! A friend of Archwolf is a friend of ours. :)

Revel: My e-mail address is below (and spelled correctly this time too). Give me a shout when you get more information so I can plan my schedule as well as know when and where to meet you. <<Okay I've got my tickets now>> Great! Let me know at somepoint where and at what time you're flying in.

Brooklyn: <<Moving to Detroit next semester>> Have fun, and good luck with your classes!

Slivadel: <<14th -- Didnt quite make #1 this time...>> Not even close, truthfully. <> And after staring at 4 Lucys in a row, I'm wondering if that's a good thing. ;)

Gunjack: <<Bull, damned bull, and statistical bull.>> *grins* Good to see you too. <<And to the rest of you: who ever said I was back!?>> Ahhhh... we're not all that bad.

Spike: Hey, always good to hear from you! <<they notified me about exactly where adn when I'll be doing my leg of the torch run>> I'm curious, how far of a run is that? <> *grins* Gargoyles gets represented for the Winter Olympics. Nice! <<with any luck, I won't trip and fall>> Or be like my dad and break his foot a quarter mile into a marathon. Good luck!

Religious debate: In all my theological studies I've only come up with three personal certainties: 1) There is a higher power(s). 2) I am not a part of it. 3) As far as completely understanding the messages and teachings and goals of said higher power(s), it's beyond my comprehension and probably the comprehensions of most people. I dunno, I've just always thought that what you believed in isn't nearly as important as how those beliefs reflect upon your own way of life and the quality of life towards those around you. *shrugs*

I leave you all now. Have a good week everyone, and good luck with exams to those that have them coming up.BTW, could someone give DC a painful death, please? This post was suppose to be up last Sunday...

---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hotmail.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Thursday, December 6, 2001 11:52:15 AM
IP: 130.49.74.96

I said I'd get them done, even if they're really late.

**********SABLEDRAKE REVIEWS/SPOILERS**********
And only a month late... not bad considering my current track record. Well, four new fics to read... let's take a look at them.

�Promises Unbroken� by Warpmind tells the simple (and boy am I using that word loosely) story of a man, Jim, with a desire to climb a mountain who gets attacked by a bear, loses his leg, and gets saved by a man who turns out to be his father�s war buddy/blood brother. Along the way, Jim learns his true past and the promises made between two friends almost thirty years prior. I liked the detail in the story, but I was hoping to see more of it. For instance, rather than just tell the readers about the events in Vietnam, I was hoping to be shown it. Watching both soldiers, Jim�s father and Thomas, grow together would have allowed for the reader to establish more emotion for them. Knowing exactly what Jim�s motives were for trying to climb this deadly mountain would have yielded similar results. Simply saying that he trained for ten years doesn�t do enough justice. I like the twist at the end as well if just for the shock value. I really didn�t see it coming. This could easily become a series (hint, hint). Mechanics were well done, but then this isn�t exactly a long read so there weren�t a lot of places to make a mistake. I only caught one.

�Wraith over her Shoulder� is an strong continuation of the series that I like to dub (quite wrongly in retrospect) the �Swordmaiden� series as most of it delves around this band of characters. It starts off with the violent and dark death of Cat�s brother Danilo before centering on Cat herself throughout the much of the rest. During this time we�re introduced to more characters, a band of fighters that Cat seems to pick up, read a lot of sexual girl-girl innuendo (though there�s nothing graphic), and end on an interesting physical cliff hangar for one character and a mental cliff hangar for another. I kind of like the author�s style of writing which uses omniscient POV but not in its traditional sense. The flow makes for quick reading; however, occasional mechanical errors slow it down some. The detail is high and there�s strong imagery throughout. The fight scene between Cat and Lydia was one example; Danilo�s death in the beginning was another. At times though, I questioned the necessity of it. During one scene, the author takes up two full screen lengths (almost two pages) describing Cat getting dressed. I�m guessing the author wanted to stress the importance of her task, which is ultimately the main point behind all of this. However, taking that long over something trivial, especially when we don�t even get to see into the character�s thoughts (at least, not until the end), runs the risk of sidetracking the story and losing the reader in the process. The story really shines with the character interaction. Much of the story appears to revolve around Cat trying to fit into her new role. It produces some good parts but what was most memorable for me was the conflict between Lydia and Quinn. There�s a wonderful scene over the idea of freedom (tying back to the author�s earlier story �The Invisible Knife�), and the author does a good job of showing the internal struggle within Lydia. Her resolve towards the end carries a lot of impact. Mechanically, this story has some small mistakes but they�re numerous enough to be noticeable. Fortunately, it doesn�t detract too much. Maybe a second pair of eyes would help the next time around. Still, a wonderful read overall and a great addition.

�NPCs are people too� was an interesting satirical, if slightly dark, read. I loved the opening parts, a sort of assembly of NPC. The detail helped capture the imagery of the scene, the thousands of amorphous blobs and people without faces or identities or complexity, the villains tied down to a one-track mind, and everything in between. The speech had some humoristic qualities to it. Lines akin to, �Fellow NPCs, our cherished freedoms are threatened from all sides,� add to the witty and original atmosphere. However, there�s some good stuff as well. The sentence about how NPCs can interfere with a GM�s visualization and develop into other directions has a great literary undertone to it over the importance of characterization. Faulkner would have been proud. The ending seemed a bit darker. It may have been better to just stick the idea of developing NPCs rather than get into the idea of them taking over a GM�s mind and causing suicides (or, if you do go down that road, than develop it more). Still, a very cool read overall. Definitely worth checking out once.

Last but certainly not least there�s �Old Gods� by community veteran Jessie Feff. It�s a quick story that could almost fit as a modern day legend for the Southwestern Native American tribes. The premise that some of the Gods of old are annoyed that the people have stopped worshipping them and mean to remedy that (lead by Bear). Enter the main character who is unknowingly picked up by on of Bear�s lackeys, unknowing that is until she runs into Coyote the Trickster who devises a clever scheme to help the captives escape. The detail is very good for the length of the story but I kept wishing for more. For example, I wanted to know why Coyote didn�t agree with the other God�s who were trying to bring back the old ways. I guess I was hoping for a flashback where we could see the rift occur. Plus, I wanted to know how Elk got captured in the first place, why he submitted, and why Coyote seems to have affection for her (maybe that�s how it is in the legends � my history in this area was never good). I guess it�s usually a good sign though when a reader walks away liking what he/she read and immediately wanting more. In fact, my only concern was in a scene towards the end when Bear curses. I just can�t see a God stooping down to using vulgar, colloquial language like that, but that�s just me. I loved the moral at the end, and how the characters (especially Coyote) lived up to their reputation. Mechanically, the story is clean and without any little glaring errors.

Overall, if you haven�t yet read this issue of Sabledrake, and why not it�s been a month, then you should go do so immediately. There�s a lot of good stuff contained within its pages.
**********END SABLEDRAKE REVIEWS/SPOILERS**********

�Sex should NOT come in Steak and Onion flavor.� �me

---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hotmail.com]
Philadelphia, PA, USA
Thursday, December 6, 2001 11:49:59 AM
IP: 130.49.74.96

Computer security>> I think i'm just going to stay out of this one... i've got mixed views, prolly from all the random hackerish friends I've managed to make.... but hey.. better to have them like me than not, right? :grin::

::pokes Revel:: you planning to come online agian or did my e-mail just scare you away ;)

Laters people
Aingeal
Thursday, December 6, 2001 11:08:00 AM
IP: 207.42.162.178

Jan> You're a cop, so you might know this procedure better than I do. A cop can't search your house or anything in or on your house unless they have a search warrant, just as they can't randomly search anyone's car unless they have reasonable suspision.
What is giving the government the right to search my computer? It's my computer, and unless they are monitering it (which is invasion of privacy, mind you) they can't know that I have mp3s or anything else downloaded. The fact that I have them is illegal, yes; but as to how the governmant finds out....they really have only one method and that's searching my computer without any warrant or suspision.
But how would they go about getting suspisious (spelling?). They must have a suspision to get a warrant to search my computer. It's almost impossible to be suspisous of someone downloading anything illegal without the governmant invading his or her computer, which is invading his or her privacy.
It's not the fact that they're charging someone for havgin illegal mp3s that I am talking about; it's HOW they are finding out.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:39:15 AM
IP: 24.219.165.75

*Poing*

Selanit: last I saw- back in late August before I returned to school and no cable- Toon Disney was running TGC. :P

*Poing Poing*
Lynati "aaaahhh! finals! x_x " Kshudra
Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:10:53 AM
IP: 207.220.96.175

Jan> <<The bottom line is that whatever they were caught doing - it was _illegal_>> Yeah, but its like having a camera in your home. Oral sex is illegal in some places. So, if they're caught giving a hummer in their own home, you'd support them getting hauled off to jail just because it was illegal? It not the fact that ppl have MP3's or files, its the fact they if they're searching for those, they'll see everything else that is mine, that they have no right to. They don't have a warrent, so keep the hell out of my stuff. And besides JarJar, I really really doubt that everything on your computer is yours, that you bought. I'm sure Michael burned some programs from a friend, and that too is illegal.

MC> I don't think anyone was trying to prove that -your- personal info was available, just that there are major kinks in your master plan of anoniminity. What Jan does have is the info your website is registered to. So hey, it might be your mom's info she has. Name, address, phone number and where you got that website from is totally accessable online. So, if anyone has registered a domain and didn't use a psuedonym and false into, someone can come to their house or call them up.
Anyway, I guess most ppl's points is that just because you use "Mooncat" online, doesn't mean you're protected in anyway. Its honestly not that hard to find info if you're looking for it. Hell, that's why those 800-Find-JoeBob places make so much money. Most of their research is done online and they're not hackers either. *shrug* A lot of states have online court databases too. I just found out my monster-in-law has been sued a few times. Hahaha..er..yah, poor her. :P
Oracle
Thursday, December 6, 2001 09:30:33 AM
IP: 24.167.240.110

Metaldemon> <<Yeppers, that's what happens when a nation is in a state like this; Washington thinks they have every right to disregard the Bill of Rights and do whatever the hell they please. Hmm, Bush said the terrorrists attacked "freedom," yet, he's taking away our right to privacy. Is this not an attack on freedom? >>
How are they disregarding the Bill of Rights and taking away our right to privacy? These are _illegal_ MP3s and files. Sure, I think the law itself is silly and minor, but that aside, it's still considered illegal and if you are caught with them, then you will pay the consequences. Simple basic government law 101. Personally, I have my doubts that anyone is going to spend time & money searching for these files, tracking them down, going across the country, arresting and then prosecuting anyone just because they have MP3s on their computer.
The bit about taking away our freedom - almost every criminal caught screams the same thing. The bottom line is that whatever they were caught doing - it was _illegal_ .

Had a fight in the pod area again yesterday.... one inmate stole another inmate's toilet paper. *L*
Speaking of computer/illegal stuff - a warrant was issued for a gal this week.... she is charged with the theft of a mailing list from a computer. She stole the list from her employer. It has a $5,000 bond on it and it's considered a felony offense.
The wacko from CA wrote a letter to his girlfriend (the gal I dressed out) and then become explosive when he found out that the jailer reads all correspondence. Hello? Geesh, I've never been in jail and even *I* knew that all of that stuff was read. In the letter, he admitted to having sex with the 17 year old that he's accused of raping. (according to the LA county police that's the first time he's even acknowledged even knowing the girl) They were thrilled to hear about this letter and it's now being sent to them.

DPH and Josh> ahhhh ok... I had lost track of The Pretender and didn't remember or realize that they had already established that Parker and Jared were not siblings. I wonder what the significance was with the oxygen fed guy (can't remember his name right now) called them "my children" when he sent them the picture of their mothers standing together...?

Spacebabie> *LOL* you are cracking me up!! You go girlfriend!

Josh> I heard on the news yesterday that Berkley's cheating offenses have doubled from last year. Have you heard this too?

gotta' go... I have a ton of work to do at the office, so I'm going in early today. The Sheriff has gone beserk with having a secretary that will actually type his letters and memo's. Apparently the girl that I replaced refused to do that for him. *blinks* He's loaded me down with work - in addition to the work that I already have to do. Good thing I like the guy. ;) I sometimes call him, "little sheriff man" and I remind him on ocassion that he's older than me. hehe (I went to high school with him)

Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
Jan
Thursday, December 6, 2001 07:49:22 AM
IP: 12.110.236.208

Mooncat > Just give it up and admit it. Your real name is Ann Landers (initials A.L.) and you live on a little dead end street called Galvatron Circle. Jan's got you all figured out so there's no sense denying it any more. ;)

S.J. > Hmm... Pee-Wee's Playhouse... Playboy, Penthouse... suddenly it all makes sense. And I bet the FBI is hard at work doing a thurough inventory of everything they seized, too. :P
:: posts a link ::

I've never been a fan of Willy Nelson but this parody I like. :)
Patrick Toman
Thursday, December 6, 2001 07:08:39 AM
IP: 66.72.203.104

Hiya folks! Long time no see. Just thought I'd drop around since I have a Gargoyles-related question. Does anyone know if Toon Disney shows the Goliath Chronicle series after the regular series finishes up? Or does it go straight back to the beginning of season one?

Thanks!
Selanit - [public@atuan.com]
Thursday, December 6, 2001 06:29:38 AM
IP: 128.138.35.56

Today has not be a good day.

First, I barely slept because my roommate had three friends over and they were all working on a CS project ALL NIGHT LONG. Yes, until noon. Starting at about midnight last night, exactly the time I went to sleep. And they were LOUD too.

Then my roommate gives me some bullshit about "its 11AM, we're allowed to be loud!" Nevermind the fact that I am up before my roommate 19 mornings out of 20, and I always take great steps to keep quiet. The computer sounds are off when my roommate is asleep. The TV is either off or VERY low. I don't use the microwave because it beeps. My alarm clock is only loud enough to wake me. When it comes to noise and sleeping, I'm incredibly generous, even at 2, 3, 4 in the afternoon.

My roommate, on the other hand, never bothers to be curteous. His alarm clock is loud enough to wake the dead, so you can imagine it has little trouble waking me up. He makes as much noise as possible whenever he's up in the morning. The few times he wakes up before me, he makes me want to kill him.

He's just a spoiled brat who's never had to watch his behavior before in his life, because his parents don't care and he always has people to clean up after him and everything else. He doesn't seem to get that he has to play a role in the apartment as well.

And on top of that the internet's been crapping out all day.

Its okay. All I have to do is survive the next 13 days and I'm DONE. By this time two weeks from now, I'll probably be home.

Ooh and did work today.

anyway...replies!

Jan: <<there's NO WAY you'd look worse in a dress than Aaron>>: I think it'd be a bigger problem if he looked better than MARA in a dress. <<I'm so excited to see the show being ressurected again>>: I would be too...but I think this is just another made-for-TV movie. <<I've always suspected that Jared and Ms Parker are siblings>>: We already know they aren't. Lyle and Parker are. <<we'll see how that turns out>>: Forget siblings. They'd make better lovers ;-)

DPH: <>: Its obvious from the preview of the new movie that they're about to kiss...I don't think they're cousins. <<that child be another clone of Jarod>>: A third one? Whatever happened to the 2nd one?

Spacebabie: Are you on AIM or ICQ? <<this baton thing used solely for striking them in the nuts>>: I am SO not hanging around you. <<Ahhh the American dream>>: No, the American dream is to be rich. I just want a nice car. Those aren't the same thing ;-) <<Woo Freakin Hoo!>>: You have no idea. <<Too see if I can>>: Yes but why me? Why not someone else? Like any of the far more...decent bachelors. <<Cause it be funny>>: If you say so. <>: Yeah whatever. <>: Out of all the guys in the fandom, why on earth did you pick me? Plus you're assuming I'd say yes...and I'm VERY picky. <<DON�T YOU CALL ME LITTLE young man>>: Well, 'young lady' just didn't seem right, for some reason. <<I�m average height and 25 years old, little boy>>: Ooh an older woman! Maybe I should say yes just to say I was with an older woman ;-) <<That�s not what I would have called him. Although it does start with a P>>: Yeah, but I like the word "punk". <<SJ>>: And if me, why not SJ, since we're the same person? <<I�m not going to touch that one>>: Right, because obviously you are that sort of girl ;-) <<Is it depressing for you or him>>: LOL!

Sevarius Jr: <<Batman kicks Superman's ass>>: How exactly does he do that? <<If that ain't enough to get you to buy this book, than frankly, I'm wasting my time>>: Has that ever stopped you before?

Entity: <<They can find you, identify you, and "force" you to comply to copyright law>>: Thank you terrorists.

Alan: <<It did something to my system, and I just don't know how to fix it>>: Oh right that. That's called "Windows". Don't bother, you can't get it off your system ;-)

Gside: <<But Pucl doesn't mean anything>>: no, but it looks like "pud". <<Just keep telling yourself that>>: ::mumbles something about killing hippies:: <>: Superman's kind of steel-headed.

Metaldemon: <<Looks like we're fighting communism in space>>: Too late, they're already there. Commie scum.

Silvadel: Ugh. Text art.

I got a good night's sleep. That's a euphamism for 'I didn't get any work done this week.' - Roy Yates
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, December 6, 2001 02:59:46 AM
IP: 64.161.26.201

I am nothing if not persistant...

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silvadel
Thursday, December 6, 2001 01:42:55 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Tosses up hands...

Supposed to come up 1984...

Guess I should leave the ansi art to the professionals.
silvadel
Thursday, December 6, 2001 01:38:53 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Grrr.. It didnt take it -- guess it doesnt like spaces -- try #2

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silvadel
Thursday, December 6, 2001 01:37:28 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

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17 Years late but here in more ways than one.

silvadel
Thursday, December 6, 2001 01:33:30 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

*in*

mini-gatherers, you have an email in.

for the rest of ya, "ASk Greg" is beign updated again! yay!

*back to studying*
Lynati
Thursday, December 6, 2001 01:27:48 AM
IP: 205.184.255.22

Entity> Yeppers, that's what happens when a nation is in a state like this; Washington thinks they have every right to disregard the Bill of Rights and do whatever the hell they please. Hmm, Bush said the terrorrists attacked "freedom," yet, he's taking away our right to privacy. Is this not an attack on freedom?
If I'm not mistaken, I think they passed the Star Wars bill again (not the movie). Looks like we're fighting communism in space, now. Anyways, I heard that from a second-hand source, so I'm not too sure about that.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, December 6, 2001 12:18:30 AM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Imzadi> <<Note to self: bring whiteout to G2k>>: But Pucl doesn't mean anything.
<>: Sure... Just keep telling yourself that.
<<You'll have to worry about sorow stalking you now>>: And me.
<<The cat or the cat's owner?>>: Both.

SJ> <<Batman kicks Superman's ass>>: Again? I thought he got his point across the first time.

Ordel> <<t also won't let me change my homepage back to what it was>>: Try going to start/progs/accessories/systools/sysinfo. In the tools menu go to sysconfig, and in that window check out the startup tab. There could be something there that resets stuff to what it wants on startup, so you can not only disable it, but find out where it is.

And because it's approaching the season, the new mp3 is the London Symphony's version of O Holy Night.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, December 6, 2001 12:00:20 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Alan: Check your Startup folder. There is a .reg file there. Delete it. And then run Anti-virus. That is a virus.
Fire Storm
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 11:41:15 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Hey all. I have a question for someone with more computer knowledge than I am. My mother was visiting today and inadvertanly opened up an e-mail from mine that I would normally just delete. It did something to my system, and I just don't know how to fix it. It changed my homepage (as in the site IE goes to when I open it) to "funchina.126.com" which in turn opens up around 25 pop up windows. Also, in the title bar of IE it says "funchina.126.com" instead of "Microsoft Internet Explorer" like it should. It also won't let me change my homepage back to what it was (well, it does, but when I restart my computer it goes back to this other thing). I have no idea what this is. It's not exactly a virus, but it's annoying as hell.

And I can't think of another place to ask this question.
Alan Coleman Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 11:32:49 PM
IP: 24.116.93.43

Long time no see.

Guess what? There are now "services" that can "sniff" the internet for computer users whose hard drives house "illegal" properties, like video files and mp3's. They can find you, identify you, and "force" you to comply to copyright law.

This is "1984."

They can come to my room, and physically pry my computer from my cold, dead hands.
Entity - [j_cotleur@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 10:59:23 PM
IP: 140.228.114.171

Just a reminder.

If you're into comic books, at all, than you might want to check out your local comic store and pick up a copy of THE comic book event of the year - the 1st issue of "DK2", aka "The Dark Knight Returns 2".

For those not in the know, back in the 80s Frank Miller wrote a little comic called "The Dark Knight Returns", set in the future of the DC comics universe, focusing on the Dark Knight himself, Batman. The comic has generally been heralded as one of if not THE best comic of the modern era (the only one that ever seems to eclipse it in critical acclaim is Alan Moore's Watchmen), and it went on to pretty much revolutionize the industry.

Anyway, after all of that time has passed, the second series has arrived. The first issue of a 3 issue series is in stores TODAY, and I highly suggest you pick up a copy.

Here's the skinny, without giving away too much of the plot, and protecting important spoilers for those who haven't read the original miniseries: It's the future, and it pretty much sucks. The world, and America in particular, has become a fascist state. The President is nothing more than a hologram, and the real person pulling the strings is a familiar face. No one has been able to rise up and change society for the better - until now.

Cause Batman's back, and he's pissed as all hell.

So, I recommend you go pick up a copy. You won't be disappointed. You might want to check out the original, just to be familiar with the story if you aren't already...but DK2 is a great read anyway you look at it. It comes in a nice, thick Prestige Format and retails for 7.95.

And if I haven't hooked you so far, here's the best part about the book (IMO) - Batman kicks Superman's ass. If that ain't enough to get you to buy this book, than frankly, I'm wasting my time.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 09:34:27 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Oracle <<*add correction* Jan didn't say there's "circle" in the name of the street, but you live inna circle/court. The name of that court is part of the name of someone who posts here.>>

Uh... no, I don't live inna circle/court. *shrug* 6 years ago I lived on a court, but that's as close as it gets. And I guess I'll reveal a little info and ask... who here posts under the name Broadway? I haven't noticed anyone here using that name in the last few months, but maybe I'm just missing it? Since it's also a character name in Gargoyles, I wouldn't be surprised that someone is using it, just that I'm not familiar with that poster.

Not that I'm complaining, but this "personal" info seems a bit off to me. Maybe you need to recheck your sources?

>^,,^<
Mooncat
Oracle
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 03:05:03 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

*In*
I'm supposed to be stufying for my Clay and Glazes (ie, chemistry) final right now, but, no. The happy fun of naming things has bitten me again.

Aaron:in reference to above, it's now up to 1,415. And check the yahoo acct.; more things to copy. (yay!)

Jannie: it is sad but true.

Spacebabie: for me. For him, it helped win the gorebash award.

*to study...?*
Lynati
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 02:44:57 PM
IP: 207.94.232.13

It was a hard goodbye Monday. As us poets bid a farewell before break,and I have one final tommorow that is well piffle.

After that I get to hang baubbles on a plastic tree. Joy!
Not much else on my life except well...Replies.

Skippy<<<they finally unveiled IT that mysterious invention that's supposed to revolutionize life as we know it. IT turns out to be essentaily stand-up wheelchair.>>>Isn�t that what Mr. Garrison invented?

Finnula Mccroy<<<is someone threatens your life what do you do?>>> Well I call the police and if they are too lazy I get some big strong friends to hang around me. I will also carry some pepper spray and this baton thing used solely for striking them in the nuts.

Sorow>>> Good luck

Josh<<<the Prof for the Structural Analysis dept. He seemed very enthuiastic about my successes with MATLAB, and wants me to start doing research with him next semester, help him plan his classes, possibly even help him write the textbook he's working on for next year.>>> Coolies<<>>Ahhh the American dream.<<<And he paid for lunch, to boot!>>>Bonus!<<<LAST MATH ASSIGNMENT EVER!>>>Woo Freakin Hoo!<<<so I don't have any more math quizzes ever. Yay! >>>I like to second that yay!<<<So how come he didn't want that color?>>>He didn�t know about it. It�s a surprise.<<<Why are you trying to tame me?>>> Too see if I can.<<<Why? You have a twisted crush, little girl>>>Why? Cause it be funny, and I don�t have a crush, I just want some boy toys and DON�T YOU CALL ME LITTLE young man! I�m average height and 25 years old, little boy.<<>> That�s not what I would have called him. Although it does start with a P.

Warpmind>>> They are lime right?

SJ<<<HA-HA>>>I can also quote several different laughs but I think you summed it up best.<<<they poured diesel fuel down into the basement hole where the Taliban were hiding, and lit it on fire. THAT is beautiful. Sadly, they didn�t have enough fuel to either burn them alive / smoke them out, so to get the remaining mutants out of their little hole, they pumped in gallon after gallon of freezing ice-cold water.>>>And if that doesn�t work we an line the their hole with poisoned food.. Oh wait, that�s what you do to get rid of ants.<<>>I�m not going to touch that one.<<<and the two highest bidders are Dreamworks and�.you guessed it, Disney.>>> come on Dreamworks you just gotta outbid Disney. :: Keeps Fingers crossed ::

Lyanti<<<Aaron DOES look better in a dress than I do.>>>Is it depressing for you or him
Spacebabie"Enjoying Ramen Noodles" Leandre
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 12:43:07 PM
IP: 67.25.52.183

Yesterday, I did an online virus scan. As I expected, no computer viruses were found!

**PRETENDER 2001**
Jarod and Miss Parker aren't brother and sister. That was revealed in "Bloodlines" was just aired Monday and Tuesday night on TNT. I am more inclined to believe they are cousins, if they are related.

Way back in the episode of season 2 where Mr Parker returns, it was revealed that Catherine Parker spent a few weeks away from the Center visiting a male friend every year. Nine months after that vacation turns out to be Miss Parker's birthday. That person was in love with Catherine Parker. It was strongly implied that that person was Miss Parker's father.

That's funny in a way. If they did a DNA test comparing Miss Parker (or Lyle) to Mr Parker, the test would come out negative. I am concerned about Miss Parker's newest sibling whose mother (who killed Thomas) died giving birth. If that child grew up before Mr Parker died, after Mr Parker, that child could demand a DNA test, and take away Miss Parker's inheritance. However, as far as I'm concerned that child be another clone of Jarod.
**END PRETENDER 2001**

**PRIVACY PROTECTION**
Raise your hand if you have posted an online resume somewhere. Yep, you've given away a lot of privacy by doing that because you listed your name, a valid address, and a valid telephone number. [Apparantly listing a valid email address on your online resume is an invitation to receive spam.]

How many people didn't have to give away a valid telephone number and a valid address to subscribe to go online?

Oops, your IP address can be your undoing.

Free email accounts don't count because you can lie about those and not get caught up with.
**END PRIVACY PROTECTION**
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 11:36:41 AM
IP: 204.94.193.60

MC> *add correction* Jan didn't say there's "circle" in the name of the street, but you live inna circle/court. The name of that court is part of the name of someone who posts here.

*returns to her constant lurkdome*
Oracle
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 10:36:16 AM
IP: 24.167.240.110

Jan <<well, all I can say is that it appears that you hang out at some not-so-nice cons.>>

Actually, I thought the cons were particularly nice. Great guests, great dealers rooms, great events, well worth the money I spent on them. Why would you think they are not nice?

<<Also, to prove a point and not to be a stalker or anything... your initials are AL, you live on a street (circle) that has the same name as one of the people who post in here and you are in the same state that my kids were born in... I won't say the city that you are living in. Would this be accurate?

Partially. You got one of my initials right, I do live on a street, but never on one with Circle anywhere in the name, You'd have to tell me the state your kids were born in for me to know if that part is correct, as for phone #, e-mail me privately and I'll tell you if it's correct.

<<I'm computer retarded and yet I was able to locate your personal address and phone number. So, I don't think having your name on a badge at the Gathering is any type of security risk.>>

Depends on what you mean by computer retarded, and what you did to get the "personal" information. A third of it was wrong, a third is unconfirmed (but e-mail me, I'm curious to see how close it is) -- Would you like to share the steps you went through to get the info?

<<I agree that you should take as many precautions as possible, but you shouldn't go to the point of being paranoid. If you are that frightened or concerned, then I can't see where being on the internet would be that much fun or relaxing.>>

Concerned yes, frightened no. I think a little concern is always wise in any endeavor. You think it's paranoid not to want to have one's personal info blathered out to complete strangers? And you work in the law enforcement field? Oookay. I'm paranoid *^_~* -- But I have a lovely feeling of security in my paranoia.

Each to their own, ne?

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 10:22:19 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

SJ> <<Question of the Day: What are the 39 Steps? >> something that I won't be taking... I hate to climb stairs ;)

Lynati> *LOL* No hon, there's NO WAY you'd look worse in a dress than Aaron!

Mooncat> well, all I can say is that it appears that you hang out at some not-so-nice cons. Also, to prove a point and not to be a stalker or anything... your initials are AL, you live on a street (circle) that has the same name as one of the people who post in here and you are in the same state that my kids were born in... I won't say the city that you are living in. Would this be accurate?
I'm computer retarded and yet I was able to locate your personal address and phone number. So, I don't think having your name on a badge at the Gathering is any type of security risk.
I agree that you should take as many precautions as possible, but you shouldn't go to the point of being paranoid. If you are that frightened or concerned, then I can't see where being on the internet would be that much fun or relaxing.

DPH> I saw the Pretender 2001 movie too!! I'm so excited to see the show being ressurected again! Another episode is to air this upcoming Monday night on TNN... 8pm - not sure if that's EST or CST, though. Interesting twist at the end, huh? ;) I'm anxious to see how this plays out. I've always suspected that Jared and Ms Parker are siblings, so we'll see how that turns out. *nods*

drats, gotta' go.... time for work again.

Jannie
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 08:10:40 AM
IP: 12.110.237.18

All my classes are review from here through the end of the week. Now if I can just live through the next 15 days...all will be good.

I have exactly ONE assignment left this semester. My bastard mechanics prof decided to actually ASSIGN a problem set for the week of finals. What a punk.

Maybe I'll just get it done early. I hope.

I did next to nothing today. I seriously watched more TV today than I did all of last week. But somehow, I still managed to get my 2nd-to-last assignment done.

Mooncat: <<no one has told me that they require your real name on your badge>>: I don't think that had to be the case at G2k1, but I'm not sure. <<the odds are higher when you are a single female involved with sexually charged material>>: You don't have to announce that you're single, or even female. Hell, there were many people at G2k1 that I didn't know the gender of until I met them in person (as well as people that I didn't know were ACTUALLY the same person). We have as much info on you as YOU give out, no less. <<You attended Rocky Horror. I bow to your expertise in being a single female in Fandom>>: My point, dear, was that I have extensive experience with the type of "freaks" that are native to this fandom (although I didn't really know that until I went to Gathering LA and saw who I was talking to). Believe it or not, I don't have much expertise being a female ;-) <<had strange men continuously trying to pick me up since grade school>>: Well as a rocky attendee, I too have had strange men trying to pick up on me since I was in grade school ;-) <<if I am in my "real world" persona, which you do not know, I'd just be another unknown face in the crowd>>: Um, no. I didn't know Revel's real name until G2k1, and it didn't change the conversations we'd had in IM or in the CR. We were still friends. <>: Actually, that comment was subtly directed at more than just you ;-) <<no, I'm in Kansas>>: Ooh, now I've narrowed you down to one of 5 million people ;-) <<Soda Pop! Coffee! Tea! Chocolate covered expresso beans...!!! YUM>>: Hell yeah!

Robby: <<Fake names on the front for mingling purposes, real names on the back where no one has to see them unless it becomes a security issue>>: I like that idea too.

Patrick: <<Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!>>: All evidence to the contrary... ;-) <>: Note to self: bring whiteout to G2k2. <<happy to be escaping Cubicle-Land today for a field trip crawling around some bridges and taking pictures>>: Cool! Which bridges?

Warpmind: <<Does anyone else have a clue who is sending out all these apparently fraudulent e-mails?>>: Someone who will be killed when the revolution comes. <<and you think you're gonna rule the world>>: I plan to acquire one between now and then. <<Any chance of getting Foglio in on it, too?>>: The artist? For GURPS sex!? THAT I have to see! <<you *do* know about the green ones, right?>>: Its all part of her plan to "tame" me, apparently. <<thanks to a certain group of Islamic Fundamentalist lunatics, people are afraid to fly>>: Once again, bad logic helps me out...when OTHER people have it. <<so we guys have an excuse for staring at their chests>>: I don't understand why you need an excuse to stare at chests. <<save time, introduction, and those oh-so-abundant mispronounciations>>: Yeah, "baldy" is pretty easy. Will you be shaving your head again for G2k2 if you go?

Jan: <<I've never heard of anyone from the Garg cons having any problems with stalking after meeting someone at one of the Gatherings>>: Unless you count the people who bow before Greg Weisman. <>: True, true.

Siryn: <<how do you expect me to now honestly consider your suggestions>>: Actually, I don't expect you to honestly consider my suggestions, any of them. I never did. Never did last year either, to be honest. I expect that last year's staff had quite their fill of me and have repeatedly informed you about what a hassle I am (or you may have figured this out by yourself already). That's why its a "suggestion". I don't expect you to follow it, but you might, at your option. Its all you. <<Isn't that somewhat...childish?>>: Very much so, but in case you've not noticed, I rather enjoy being childish. And I rather enjoy annoying Patrick and Crzy, as well. <<please don't start a fight in the CR based on a piece of paper in laminated plastic on my account>>: One, the flame wars have bigger issues behind them than the name tages and two, we're not doing it for you ;-) Don't feel guilty.

DPH: <<The Pretender 2001>>: There's gonna be another one this month! <<why were the simulations stolen?>>: They weren't stolen, they were just archived elsewhere.

Hyperion: <<rich businessmen worldwide>>: A fool and his money are soon parted...

Fire Storm: <<which explains some things about Imzadi!>>: I AM NOT A HIPPY! <<You waited that long?>>: Sad, isn't it? <<it should at LEAST hover>>: Or go faster than 15 mph. People in NYC already walk that fast. <<it can at LEAST get me to work>>: Sucks that you work so far from your house. <<the ability to carry a few bags of groceries>>: "a few bags" doesn't help me, because then I'd have to shop every other day ;-) <<What is wrong with the software developed at your school?>>: Nothing. But it is the base of OS X, after all ;-)

Sevarius Jr: <<routinely screws with the idiotic press>>: Could you give us some quotes? <>: Thank god the only other people with that attitude are the Israelis, and they're on our side. <<we learned that an American kid was there with them>>: Three guesses as to where he was from. <<let�s just say it involves him, a gun, and a bullet entering his cerebral cortex>>: I think it'd be more fun to just have the bastard repeatedly beaten with an inch of his life, once every month. For the rest of his life. <<the Israelis have been trying to kill Arafat the last couple days>>: What I don't understand is why they haven't been doing this for years. <<Although the thought of some of you knowing my full name is somewhat sobering>>: I know it. Doesn't seem to bother you. <<It�s rather fun, actually>>: No, its childish AND fun. <<Branden �Rei Ayanami� Poole>>: And now you've gone and posted it. You'll have to worry about sorow stalking you now. <<cause I�m not that kind of girl>>: BS. <<maybe I�m one of the people who you�re concerned about>>: LOL. Have an asian fetish, do you? You should come to school here. All the asians you can, uh...eat. But you'll have to drive a really loud rice rocket if you want them to talk to you. <>: what's really funny is that at the height of their trendiness, they were $100. <<the cops never show up at your door looking for porn unless you�re into some very heavy stuff>>: They haven't busted YOU yet. <<Then we all learned it was gay porn>>: "learned"? Sir, if you couldn't already guess that he was keeping a large collection of gay porn, then you haven't been paying attention. <<Jeffrey Jones>>: LOL the dean!? Jeez, that's some f*cked up sh*t. <<Has a beer and cheets on his wife>>: But apparently can't spell.

Lynati: <<Aaron DOES look better in a dress than I do>>: I'm not sure whether or not I should laugh at this.

Gside: <<ever notice how much they foam when you do that?>>: The cat or the cat's owner?

I can't really pronounce that word so I refuse to solve for those. - Roy Yates
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 03:26:45 AM
IP: 64.170.155.215

Finn: if someone threatens you, protect yourself. Don't go out of the way to provoke, but don't be unprepared.
HailerStar
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 02:53:24 AM
IP: 207.42.162.188

Good luck SOROW.

Mooncat> <<Only pure love or lots of cash will get a person to willingly stick pills down the throats of unwilling cats>>: I prove to be the exception. Granted, I did frear the wrath of the cat's keeper. And ever notice how much they foam when you do that? It amazed me.

Imzadi> <<Says who?>>: Says me.
<<the whole purpose of mac design is that Apple "builds the whole widget>>: Feh. There are so many sub widgets that are fun to play with.

Robby> <<at San Diego Comicon 2001 ended up being "Rebecca Dunn" for a week due to not knowing he was going till the last minute>>: For two years my TV was named Sue McGill, under somewhat similar circumstances.

Warpmind> <<Any chance of getting Foglio in on it, too?>>: Wolf Ogami, I'm telling you.
<<those oh-so-abundant mispronounciations>>: I'd think that'd only be much of an issue with your last name, and you don't like it anyway.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, December 5, 2001 01:25:33 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

*Creeps in*

Pointless comment:
(okay, this is both depressing, and sad, on my part...)
I'm in the middle of an IM conversation with Shinigami, and I realize, Aaron DOES look better in a dress than I do.
*sigh*

*off again*

Lynati
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 10:44:08 PM
IP: 205.184.255.148

Re: Author of "Choke" > LOL, this was the guy on the "Writing Sex & Death" panel at the Bookfest who was saying stuff on purpose just to see how the sign language interpreters translated it.

AvMists > still no word from Chris ... ::sigh::

Book news > my comp copies of The Book of All Flesh arrived today! It should be hitting the shelves in book and game stores soon. Tonight I get to read a bunch of zombie stories. Eventually, I should even receive my check. First short story sale!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 10:24:58 PM
IP: 64.24.187.75

SJ> Still absolutely LOVE your commentaries. ;) <<Personally, I blame all of my problems on Eddy Guerrero. Latino Heeeeeeat!>> You know that was a really bad joke, but I thought it was funny. :)

Coyote> **huggles** Howdy. ;)
Ravyn
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 10:06:04 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Question of the Day: What are the 39 Steps?

WAR Update: I�ve said it before, and I�ll say it again � to all of those out there, the naysayers, who said that we would have a difficult time winning a ground war in Afghanistan�.Well, this is for you.

<Nelson> HA-HA! </Nelson>

I mean, come on! The majority of �our� forces over there are Northern Alliance members, guys who literally go into battle on freakin� horses. HORSES!!! And they�re kicking the Taliban�s ass left and right. Of course, they have U.S. intel and Special Forces backing them up, but still, the Taliban is getting their ass whipped by an army practically consisting of Luddites.

And the guy who I most enjoy during this whole time is the man himself, Donald Rumsfeld. God, is this guy good. He is a grade A, no-nonsense, PRICK, and I love every minute of it! I giggle like a little girl with joy as he routinely screws with the idiotic press, who seem capable of only asking moronic questions. And I love the man�s brutal honesty. Anyone see him on Meet the Press? Fantastic! The guy went on there and said, �Look, if they don�t surrender, they�re going to be killed.� Thank you! That�s it, nothing more needs to be said. They will either surrender, or we cluster bomb them straight into oblivion. Give up or die, filthy animals. We�re more than happy to make martyrs out of all of them. Now, you wouldn�t have heard that type of statement from the past administration, would you? They�d want to soft-shoe the issue. Not Rumsfeld � only �Surrender, or your ass is grass.� I love it. I love the honesty.

What I really respect about Rumsfeld is that he just seems SO happy wiping out an entire enemy military. I love that kind of glee in our own armed forces.

And I have to give credit to the Northern Alliance. To stop the prison uprising, to get those sand monkey Taliban soldiers who were holed up in that prison to come out, they did a neat little trick � they poured diesel fuel down into the basement hole where the Taliban were hiding, and lit it on fire. THAT is beautiful. Sadly, they didn�t have enough fuel to either burn them alive / smoke them out, so to get the remaining mutants out of their little hole, they pumped in gallon after gallon of freezing ice-cold water. If they couldn�t burn them alive, they were just going to freeze them. I love the brutality of it all. If they run, they�re Taliban. If they stand still, they�re well-disciplined Taliban.

Of course, when they finally did come out of the hole, we learned that an American kid was there with them. Fighting for the Taliban. I assume many of you have heard this. I was just wondering what you think should be done with him, because I think you can figure out what my plan would be. If you don�t know me well enough to decipher my plan for this young lad, well, let�s just say it involves him, a gun, and a bullet entering his cerebral cortex. Oh, and did I mention I would strap him down so that a grizzly bear could anally rape him before his timely death? Not just a grizzly bear � an AIDS infected grizzly bear. Just for fun.

So, in review: it�s all crazy over there, but we�re kicking ass, so it�s all good.

Oh, and I forgot to mention � the Israelis have been trying to kill Arafat the last couple days. This is part of why I respect them so much. One of the Palestinians pulls their pussy-little suicide bombing routine, and the next day the Israelis are there on their front door with an f�ing tank, ready to blow them up. They don�t screw around. You mess with them, they will kill you, or if not, they�ll at least let you know that they will try to do so. No BS rhetoric.
Arafat better appreciate his last few remaining days upon this earth, because if Israel doesn�t get him soon, it�ll be us once we�re done cleaning out the Taliban. And there will be far more people in the world who will be glad to see him dead than there are who would mourn over his corpse.

Badges / Name Tags: It would make more sense to have your handle instead of your real name�.because most of us probably only know each other by the handles. As for real names, I wouldn�t care. Although the thought of some of you knowing my full name is somewhat sobering, to say the least, it doesn�t bother me so much. I�d be far less worried of what anyone would do to me, than they should be worried about what I would do to THEM.

In related news: Siryn: <<Isn't that somewhat...childish?>> No. It�s not. It�s rather fun, actually.

Robby: Mine was � Branden �Rei Ayanami� Poole �, which was a bit embarrassing, all things considered. I did get a few propositions, though, but I turned them down, cause I�m not that kind of girl.

Mooncat: I don�t mean to trivialize your concerns, but I just find your fear that someone will try to stalk you simply because you write porn to be somewhat�.overstated.
But then again, I�m reminded of the Green Baron incident, so maybe you have a point.
Wait � you�re at least part Chinese, aren�t you? Oh. Ohhhhhhhhh. Well, maybe I�m one of the people who you�re concerned about. ;)

�IT� � The Segway: The invention of the future is here, and it sucks.
Seriously. I mean, I just bought a razor scooter a few weeks back for 10 bucks. This thing costs 3 grand. I�m probably going to look like a moron on my scooter, but at least it�ll be for 300 times less money.

Funniest news story of the past week: Pee Wee Herman�s home gets searched for kiddie porn.
I knew he was screwed the minute I heard the police were there looking for porn. Because, I mean, the cops never show up at your door looking for porn unless you�re into some very heavy stuff. Not that I�m speaking from experience, mind you.
But apparently, Pee Wee has a rather large collection of porn (to which I say, �That doesn�t make him a bad person.�). Then we all learned it was gay porn (to which I say, uh�.well, I don�t say anything, because that�s when my creeped-out factor kicks in). So it appears that the cops came and confiscated Pee Wee�s collection of kitsch art, all of his gay porn collection, some computers filled with porn materials, and his signed copy of �Crimes and Punishments�. I�m sure that last one he�ll miss the most.

The thing that disturbed me about this all was that, character actor Jeffrey Jones had his house searched too, in relation to this, since he and Pee Wee are friends and I guess they share the same tastes. I mean, I like that guy. He�s a good actor. I don�t want to know that he�s into gay porn. I mean�..I can�t watch Ferris Bueller�s Day Off now without thinking, �There�s Mr. Jeff �I look at gay porn with Pee Wee� Jones.� Who wants that image in their head?

Funniest news story of THIS week: O.J.�s home gets searched because cops believe he�s part of an international X ring, and that he also has a hand in selling illegal satellite cards.
I so, so very much, want this to be true. So much I can taste it.
I wonder if OJ will try and blame this one on Pedro Guerrero too?

Personally, I blame all of my problems on Eddy Guerrero. Latino Heeeeeeat!

And in entertainment news, there�s some wonderful information out there today for ME.
It looks as if not one but three of Chuck Palahniuk (the GOD of writing who brought us one of my favorite novels of all time, �Fight Club�) �s novels will be brought to the screen. �Choke� will most likely be made into a movie (screenplay by Chuck himself), �Invisible Monsters� is up for grabs right now, and a new book, �Lullaby� (which, unfortunately, won�t be out for almost another year), might be optioned by David Fincher, which makes me practically orgasmic.

HORRIFYING anime news: I�m not sure if someone else already reported this, but Miyazaki�s �Spirited Away� � which has surpassed Titanic as the highest grossing film in Japan � is reportedly up for an American distribution, and the two highest bidders are Dreamworks and�.you guessed it, Disney.
If Disney gets its hands on this, I will be VERY pissed. God only knows how they will butcher it, or screw with its release in general.

In other anime news, Feb 12th is the date for the release of Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust.

Anyway, I�m done for tonight.

I leave you with this recommendation: If you�re a comic book fan, you might want to check out Amazing Spider-Man #36, written by JMS. You won�t be disappointed.

"This is gonna be either really f!cked-up, or just really boring."
---Jack Hammer (presumably, talking about the chaos that is my life)

Sevarius "Has a beer and cheets on his wife" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 09:47:47 PM
IP: 66.44.54.68

Spike:>>Skippy>>
Hey, missed you at Itzacon! I was there early on Saturday for a few hours. Nice little con, saw some new anime, roamed the dealer's room, and showed my portfolio to a new gaming company. But I really felt like a Ewok when Peter Mayhew aka Chewbacca stood up at his autograph table for a stretch -- the man just kept going up and up and up...

I WAS at Itzacon, pretty much all weekend. I had the room reservation and stayed unto the wee hours at the dance. You should have hung around longer.

Which reminds me, I do have some Itzacon photos up on my Yahoo Group, click my name link. Also if anyone else wants to post photos just join the group (heck of a lote easier than setting up a webpage :)
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 07:35:30 PM
IP: 209.245.243.51

Gside: <Right, but the more southern regions of the west coast are renouned for their hippies.>
Ah... which explains some things about Imzadi!

Christine: 
You waited that long?

Mooncat: <Only pure love or lots of cash will get a person to willingly stick pills down the throats of unwilling cats>
Sounds like me. I am the only one in my house that was willing to reach into my dog's mouth when she got a pork chop bone. (Soon before this, a family member's dog got a bone inside of him and needed stomach surgery to get it out.

Imzadi: <I'm disappointed too. All the hubbub over THAT!?>
I know! With all that hype, it should at LEAST hover!
<At $3000, its not worth ANYTHING>
THAT'S how much it costs? OMG! I wouldn't spend $300 on that, much less $3000!
My MINIMUM requirements on a vehicle is that it can at LEAST get me to work, or for a short range vehicle, the ability to carry a few bags of groceries. This has neither ability.
<Says who?>
The Word!
<Okay, so you can develop one for yourself...as soon as you distribute it though>
Screw distributing it! I mean just for myself! It would keep me from actually needing a REAL Mac!
<unless you insist on talking about BSD>
What is wrong with the software developed at your school?

DPH: <1001 is not a prime>
DUH! I wasn't thinking last night!

Warpmind: <Does anyone else have a clue who is sending out all these apparently fraudulent e-mails?>
Well, I know that GameSpy did a Daily Victim about this once.

Fire Storm
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 07:02:24 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Finished reading "The Fellowship of the Ring" today; I should start on "The Two Towers" tomorrow.

I've mentally noted a few things in common between "Gargoyles" and LotR, just for the fun of it. Among these are:

1. The Unappreciated Heroes. Strider/Aragorn and his fellow Rangers valiantly defend the inhabitants of the Shire and Bree from evil creatures in the wilderness nearby that mean them harm, but are viewed by the people that they protect as simple vagabonds, with a bad reputation. A definite parallel to how the gargoyles are perceived by the humans that they protect.

2. The burden of immortality. Those mortals who bear the One Ring do not die, but merely continue as they are until they grow weary of their life, and begin to feel "thin and stretched". Macbeth likewise finds his immortality a weariness (if maybe in not quite the same way). (For that matter, Xanatos's yearnings for immortality certainly echo those of many humans in Tolkien's works - and make me half-suspect that if he'd been around in Middle-earth during the Second Age, he'd have been a likely candidate for Sauron to have given one of the Nine Rings to).

3. I still see a parallel between the Eye of Odin and the One Ring, especially when Odin shows up wanting his eye back, having discovered that he has weakened in power since giving it up. (And Goliath's getting corrupted by the Eye demonstrates, to me at least, how the Ring might have corrupted somebody such as Gandalf who sought to use it against Sauron). Of course, the big difference is: here giving the Eye back to Odin is the right idea!

4. The "misguiding prophecies" that come true only if you attempt to stop them from coming true that Galadriel speaks of (applicable to Demona and Duncan, as I've mentioned before).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 06:49:38 PM
IP: 63.183.39.225

Hey everyone how are you?
I am good. To those who asked, I am mainly going into traditional animation but will work a little computer animation.

Everyone keep in touch. I MEAN THAT! :) You know where to reach me!
Brooklyn - [mango_11_19@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 04:56:26 PM
IP: 4.41.243.40

Hey guys! Check the link out ... I found this in storage today and was sooo happy, 'cause I've been meanin' to sell it. Maybe I can get some money for Christmas this way ... ;)
Coyote the Bando - [<-- My own personal treasure chest for sale!]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 04:33:59 PM
IP: 64.243.208.111

Mooncat -- Actually in this case it refers at least in part well back about 4 comment rooms above when we had the lady and the tramp speghetti thread. The time came and went on that particular thread, but to varying degrees on the time the feeling is still there.

I like the "mew?" =)

As for magic itself, It is something I know more than most about.
silvadel
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 04:01:01 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Nigerian e-mail>
Ah those wily Nigerians...widely believed to be the greatest money launders in the world. (Try putting that in your local Chamber of Commerece brochure....)
All right, here's how it works, and believe it or not, there's a 50-50 chance you'll break even.
Situation 1) You reply to the good Doctor with the bank account info. You recieve a reply and a check good for your expenses. After awhile you notice a large sum of money being dropped in your account, with an e-mail notice about it. After another little bit it all goes away and you never hear from the guy again.
What the hell just happened? Simple, you were just a pawn in a large money laundering scheme. Congrats. But hey, at least you got back your money and are no worse off.
Situation 2) You agree and recive an e-mail a few weeks later saying that there is a problem and if you would, please, deposit $1000 for some expenses. You do and a few weeks later another e-mail asking for another few thousand for bribes and such. This goes on a few more times until you are asked to fly to London or some such to meet with the good Doctor. You go there, occassionally asked to bring money, are jumped, beaten, robbed and sometimes killed.

So why are they sending them to you? They think it's worth a shot, I guess...
and before you ask "what kind of idiot would fall for this?" I'll tell you: rich businessmen worldwide. The kind with a few thousand to burn and who think that loosing that few thousand is a good risk for gaining a few million.

Ok, that's my public service tip of the day.
-Hyperion
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 02:33:00 PM
IP: 207.29.196.162

G2002 comments>> I think several valid points have been made as to name tags and other things that could be improved for future Gatherings. HOWEVER, wouldn't it would be more helpful to the G2002 crew if such comments could be made over in their forum so that they can keep track of everything? Here's the URL: http://pub97.ezboard.com/bgathering2002

Robby>> Yeah, I noticed that about the A-Kon badges... I had Spike on one side and my full name on the other. The type was 18 or 24pt type on white paper (con mascot in color on one side) so it was very easy to read without having to invade anyone's personal space. I did feel that they should issue a sticker or something to people entered in the art show to be put on the badges, just so security would know who the registered artists were.

Skippy>>
Hey, missed you at Itzacon! I was there early on Saturday for a few hours. Nice little con, saw some new anime, roamed the dealer's room, and showed my portfolio to a new gaming company. But I really felt like a Ewok when Peter Mayhew aka Chewbacca stood up at his autograph table for a stretch -- the man just kept going up and up and up...

In other news.... Just thought I'd let everyone know -- I've got my uniform and they notified me about exactly where adn when I'll be doing my leg of the torch run. Still a little nervous about it -- I'll probably won't be running as much, more like walking really, really fast. I dug out one of my Gargoyles pins to wear on my shirt next to a keepsake of my grandmother's so with any luck, I won't trip and fall.

Date: Wednesday, Dec. 12
Time: 2:51 pm CST
Place: Royal Lane, 2 blocks west of Marsh Lane, Far North Dallas.
(I start at Cromwell Drive and run east on Royal Lane, a street
that parallels the 635/LBJ loop that goes around Dallas.)

If you happen to be in Dallas area at that time, please do drop by and cheer me on!
I'd really appreciate it -- Thanks!!

Spike
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 01:52:37 PM
IP: 64.216.238.131

Jan -- <<Maybe you should consider a different line of writing since writing porn has caused you to feel so cautious. Don't get me wrong, being cautious is a good thing... but it sounds as if you feel it to be necessary to take it to the extreme. O_O >>

*^_~* -- I'm an extreme type of girl. I'd rather skip a con than give up writing what I like to write, or drawing what I like to draw. It's really not so extreme to not want one's full name accessible to strangers.

<<I've never heard of anyone from the Garg cons having any problems with stalking after meeting someone at one of the Gatherings. We're actually a pretty tame group ;)>>

Honestly, I don't expect a problem, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of restraining orders. And whenever you are dealing with large mixed groups of strangers, there's always a chance there will be one bad nut in the trail mix.

<<Anyway, there are ways of tracking you down if someone is desperate enough - as long as you have an IP, you are trackable. *shrugs* I don't think having your first name on a name tag is going to be the only method of figuring out who you really are. But, it's all your choice and if you feel uncomfortable with this, then that's your right. >>

Oh, I know that if someone really wanted to work at it, they could track me down. But the key word here is work. I prefer to make any nut job have to exert real effort to find me rather than just hand them my personal information so they can look me up in a phone book. I wouldn't have a problem with just a "first" name -- but from what I understand here is that people want FULL real names on the badges.

Anyone can pretty much locate anyone's general location via an IP#, track it to their ISP and the ISP's location /service area. It's getting more detailed info that gets harder. If a stalker doesn't have computer skills past a certain level (which most people don't), the more specific info of my account info isn't available to them.

A locked door only means it take extra effort to B&E. But most people still lock their doors when they leave the house.

Ooo... hunger just hit. Must go in search of breakfast before running around doing errands today.

more chatter later
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 12:09:10 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Well, I stayed up late last night to watch The Pretender 2001 movie AGAIN.

**PRETENDER 2001**
Nice bit of information. It had a direct tie-in back to the original series going back to Damon (spelling) stealing Jarod's sims. Only problem was if that was done by the Triumvirate, why were the simulations stolen? Frankly, I find it hard to swallow that it would take another pretender to 'corrupt' Jarod's sims, unless they wanted someone who knew what sims Jarod worked on.

Speaking of simulations, I wondered if Jarod ever worked on a project 'Chronos': involving what if simulations with time-travel involved. Specifically, a few questions do bother me, though: 1)was it inevitable that Jarod be captured by the Centre sooner or later; 2)if Jarod never was captured, are we sure that the world would be a better place? and 3)if it was discovered that Jarod being captured was better for humanity, how would Jarod react?
**END PRETENDER SPOILERS**

I got results back from my lastest exam. The chiropractor is going to continue to consentrate on working on the area around my neck and extreme lower back. He is also doing a small adjustment around the middle of my back (originally, it was really painfull).

Right now, I am getting ready to do a virus scan on this PC.

Warpmind - I've ignored that email so many times. If it was legitimate, I would have heard something about it on the news (I hope).

Fire Storm - 1001 is not a prime, I learned that 7*11*13=1001 way back in 7th grade.

Not so scary thoguth - 9-5=4

Alright, my computer has finished downloading the files and is doing a virus scan now.

**DC dies AGAIN**
Computer, do a DNA scan on DC and create an airborne virus that will kill only DC.

A few minutes later, "Process complete.," says the computer.

Launch airborne virus at DC. That's for doing something to yahoo to block my access yahoo groups right now.
**DC death**

This time, I am prepared for the non-access.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 11:18:22 AM
IP: 204.94.193.66

I updated the Gathering website...supporting memberships are now up.

I have more constructive stuff to say on the badge issue, but I'll wait until I'm more awake. However one thing...

Josh> This is not meant to be rude or anything...but how do you expect me to now honestly consider your suggestions, when you've just told Patrick that maybe you'll keep up the debate just to spite HIM? Isn't that somewhat...childish?

I'm putting up a 'con badge discussion' in the G2002 forum.. and I have been reading everyone's opinions etc..and I'll take them into consideration.. I can't please ALL of you guys..and even though I try to find the best solution I know that some people are going to be displease nomatter what I do..

Just please don't start a fight in the CR based on a piece of paper in laminated plastic on my account k? <:)
Siryn - [siryn7@aol.com]
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 10:32:06 AM
IP: 24.93.24.2

VASH> Luckily I saved that pic to my desktop and just uploaded it to geocities. Click on my name to see it.

http://www.geocities.com/sigma28.geo/sauron.jpg
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 09:01:06 AM
IP: 216.179.1.56

Warpmind> *L* isn't that a hoot?? I received that email a couple of weeks ago. I read it and then deleted it.
Good idea on the names on the tags issue... real name on the back, nickname on the front. *nodnodnod*

Mooncat> Maybe you should consider a different line of writing since writing porn has caused you to feel so cautious. Don't get me wrong, being cautious is a good thing... but it sounds as if you feel it to be necessary to take it to the extreme. O_O
I've never heard of anyone from the Garg cons having any problems with stalking after meeting someone at one of the Gatherings. We're actually a pretty tame group ;)
Anyway, there are ways of tracking you down if someone is desperate enough - as long as you have an IP, you are trackable. *shrugs* I don't think having your first name on a name tag is going to be the only method of figuring out who you really are. But, it's all your choice and if you feel uncomfortable with this, then that's your right.
I don't even remember if the last names are on the tags or not... and most had the nicknames with them (in larger print than your real name). I recognized the screen names more quickly than I did their real names and continued calling them by their SN.

ack! I'm late for work... bye!
Jan
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 08:07:46 AM
IP: 12.110.236.192

*Warpmind wanders in, obviously amused.*
Okay, this is the umpteenth time I've received such an e-mail... just behold the contents (Somewhat dragged together - no need for all those extra blank lines. Spelling is conserved.):
FROM THE DR MAXWELLHAMAN
F M T 1160
FALOMO OFFICE COMPLEX,
IKOYI - LAGOS.
ATTN: CEO
DRMAXWELLHAMAN WANT YOU TO HELP ME INVEST IN YOUR COUNTRY. I GOT YOUR CONTACT FROM YOUR COUNTRY'S CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY,IT MADE ME HAVE CONFIDENCE AND TRUST THAT IAM DEALING WITH A PERSON OF TRUST AND PERSONALITY.
I AM DR MAXWELLHAMAN MAXWELL DIRECTOR OF CONTRACTS "FEDERAL MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT" THERE IS AN OVERINVOICED AMOUNT OF
(US$45,000,000.00)FORTY-FIVE MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS WHICH I WANT YOU TO KINDLY HELP ME ACCOMODATE.THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY CAME IN RESPECT OF SOME CONTRACTS DONE IN MY MINISTRY WHICH I AWARDED AND INFLUENCED.
THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IS LODGED WITH THE CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA(CBN)AWAITING REMITTANCE TO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT,AS A CIVIL SERVANT IAM NOT SUPPOSE TO OPERATE A FOREIGN ACCOUNT THAT IS WHY I HUMBLELY NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE TO HELP ME ACCOMODATE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR BANK PARTICULARS.
(1)NAME OF BANK.
(2)TELEPHONE,FAX AND TELEX NUMBERS OF YOUR BANK.
(3)YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBERS.
(4)YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS.
ALL THIS I WILL SUBMIT TO THE CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA.
(OR)
YOU GIVE ME AN ADDRESS WITH WHICH THE CENTRAL BANK CAN SEND THE AMOUNT IN FORM OF CONFIRMABLE BANK DRAFT TO YOU, WHICH YOU CAN CONFIRM AND WITHDRAW AT ANY BANK IN YOUR COUNTRY OR ANY BANK IN THE WORLD.
METHOD OF SHAREING IS AS FOLLOWS. (25%)TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT WILL BE YOURS FOR ASSISTINGME. (5%)FIVE PERCENT WILL BE FOR EXPENSES,(1)TELEPHONE BILLS,(2)CENTRAL
BANK CHARGES,(3)OTHER EXPENSES. (70%)SEVENTY PERCENT WILL BE FOR ME WHICH YOU WILL HELP ME INVEST IN YOUR COUNTRY.I WANT AN ASSURANCE FROM YOU THAT YOU WILLINVEST WISELY FOR ME. REPLY THROUGH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ANTICIPATED CO-OPERATION.
BEST REGARDS.
DR MAXWELLHAMAN
This e-mail leaves me part puzzled, part amused. First, it came to my Hotmail account. Nobody takes the info on Hotmail accounts seriously, eh? Second, what the heck does the Chamber of Commerce and Industry know about me? (For that matter, it's called "Department" and not "Chamber" in Norway.) Does anyone else have a clue who is sending out all these apparently fraudulent e-mails? (I've also received an uncountable number of such e-mails from somebody claiming to be the widow of this-and-that late dictator with so-and-so many millions stashed away in some sealed-off bank account that they need someone else's bank account to be able to withdraw... yeah, right...) Oh, well, onto the replies... *Sigh*

Josh: You don't have a bottomless pit? Pssht, and you think you're gonna rule the world... Seriously, though, they are kind of scarce... personally, I've just rerouted one of my transporters to emulate a black hole-effect. It's imperfect, but it works, sort of...

Christine: Well, even if... no, wait... considering the setting, *particularly since* the fanfic wasn't naughty, I quite enjoyed it. :) Becca must be proud, huh? ;) And I'll patiently wait for any publication of GURPS Sex... It's going to be a laugh riot, methinks. Any chance of getting Foglio in on it, too? }:)

Spacebabie: Red and *green* M&M's? Um... you *do* know about the green ones, right? };)

Robby: That virus warning... *Reaches for the Dunce Mallet and clubs Robby mercilessly over the forehead.* Bakabakabaka! (Yes, I deleted the file, too... grrr...)

Revel: It's not a silly question. It's a good one. The answer, though... "I don't know" is probably the best I can give... it is, of course, a money issue. Though, since it's on the East Coast, it should be a cheaper trip... and thanks to a certain group of Islamic Fundamentalist lunatics, people are afraid to fly, causing something of a price cut... so there's a better'n'even chance, I reckon.

Con Badge issue: I say use alias on the front, and given name on the back for ID purposes is the better idea... And, of course, keep the print small on the ladies' badges, so we guys have an excuse for staring at their chests. };) *Ducks*

Skippy: That's a revolutionary vehicle? Gah! Seriously; the Biefeld-Brown effect has been known since the 30's, and they're STILL not implementing it in vehicles. :(

Mooncat: I'm with ya here on the real name issue - for social gatherings and such with people I've only met online and such, I'd rather just be referred to by my nick... save time, introduction, and those oh-so-abundant mispronounciations. ;) And... Neko Chan? That sounds familiar... *Thinks* Um... you're not... naaaah, couldn't be...

finnula mccrory: Depends. If it's not a serious hazard, let it pass. If it's a genuine risk of your life, inform the police, and take the necessary security measures. (Far as I understand it, if you report a death threat to the police, and it is evaluated to be genuine, you can, quite literally, get away with murder in self defense...)

Well, that, I guess, concludes my post. Back to my job at UNATCO, I guess... (finally made Deus Ex work properly... it's in an 800X600 window, refuses to run in fullscreen, but it WORKS, and without that disfiguring black box around all the letters, numbers and cursors...) Ciao.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 07:44:13 AM
IP: 193.217.200.229

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! > Nicknames on the front and real names on the back I suppose could work just fine. I didn't go for implementing a "registration number" system with G2001 because it seemed like I was already juggling enough data without adding one more totally made up item, plus I've encountered even more people in my lifetime who vehemently object to "being turned into number" than I have ones who wouldn't tell me their name. Either that or people who want to argue about the significance of the number they were randomly given. Either debate becomes most not fun to have... especially when three dozen other people are waiting in a line. :P

So if I had to pick a nickname to put on my badge, I guess it would be "Puck". Though I suppose it could just as easily be "Chavez" since I've done that costume twice, too. ;)

That said... Mooncat, I hope things work out so you do come to G2002. But if not, perhaps we'll cross paths at Comic Con next year. I'm seriously thinking about planning my annual trip to CA to coincide with that in 2002.

:: off to work, happy to be escaping Cubicle-Land today for a field trip crawling around some bridges and taking pictures ::
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 07:29:05 AM
IP: 66.72.201.172

Nametags- There's a pretty simple answer involved in this I think. Akon 2001 had this solution, which the group I was with stumbled onto by accident. When submitting the forms for nametags and payment, somebody decided to be silly and put the names of Evangelion characters in quotes (since we were all supposed to be doing easy costume cosplaying of a shirt and pants...). So for example, my registration was Robby "Aida" Bevard, and Aaron's was Aaron "Kaji" Wheeler, and my cousin Bryan was Bryan "Gendou" Weber (tho I think they ended up mispelling his real name...) and so on...
The final result on the badges? To our surprise, since we'd just been joking, our names tags had our "nicknames" on the front in nice, big bold type, (In my case, "Aida")and our real names on the back, however long they needed to be. Seems like a simple enough solution to me. Fake names on the front for mingling purposes, real names on the back where no one has to see them unless it becomes a security issue. Seemed to work pretty well.

Of course, this is all coming from the guy who at G99 had his nametag fall out and so replaced it with a torn out sheet of paper labeled "Evil Twin Lonny", and at San Diego Comicon 2001 ended up being "Rebecca Dunn" for a week due to not knowing he was going till the last minute...
Robby
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 06:30:03 AM
IP: 172.139.97.47

Josh <<Guess we won't be seeing you at G2k2, then.>> -- Well, depends, no one has told me that they require your real name on your badge. If so, guess I will have to pass.

<> -- It's not a question of value, it's a question of security. If I value my "real" name more than you do yours, I can live with that. I simply recognize that I write in a genre that has it's inherent dangers. Stalkers. Of course, you can be stalked for no particular reason at all, by chance. But the odds are higher when you are a single female involved with sexually charged material.

<<and an unreasonably low expectation of the psychotic-ness of the fandom. As a Rocky attendee and someone who has attended G2k1, I can tell you that you're a bit paranoid.>>

Ah! You attended Rocky Horror. I bow to your expertise in being a single female in Fandom. I've only been attending cons since I was pre-teen, and had strange men continuously trying to pick me up since grade school. *shrug*

I have met the ultra obsessive scary fan types. I don't want them knowing my real name, thanks anyway. Just one example is a creepy guy I met years ago in the SCA who to this day still wants to get together with "Reina" (my SCA name) even though I've been completely out of the SCA for the last three years. This is a guy who has to take constant medication so he won't become criminally violent. Why is he interested? Because I'm single, female, and made the mistake of making polite small talk with him during an SCA event. It doesn't take much for a psycho to latch on to you. I give thanks to the powers that be every time I run across him that he has NO IDEA what my real name is, and that I never have to worry about him showing up on my doorstep some unfortunate day.

<>

*lol* And I never claimed it changed my personality. I act pretty much the same whatever name I'm using. What it does change is my known history with whomever I'm associating with.

If I run into you, or Patrick, or anyone else in the CR as "Mooncat", we have a shared history of hanging out in the CR. And if I am in my "real world" persona, which you do not know, I'd just be another unknown face in the crowd. *^_^*

<<You are the same person, whether you're going by "mooncat" or "mandy". This thing where people decide they either don't like their name or that they have some alter-ego that exists only with their chosen name is just silly.>>

Oh, I like my 'real' name. I love it even. I love it so much I don't share it casually on-line. In fact, I have a choice of "real" names. My Chinese name, and my American name, both are very pretty with excellent meaning.

<>

It limits the subjects of conversation, because I don't want to compromise my "real life" identity by letting any and all strangers know how to track down "mooncat" by her real name. I'm a careful kind of girl.

<<Sounds like you've got a million reasons to skip it. >> --
Nope, just the two - Expense and Travel, three if the name thing becomes an issue.

<<Personally, the fact that last year's con staff all harbor fantasies of kicking my ass isn't stopping me.>> -- Oh, I wouldn't let that stop me either. It's chance psychopath that decides anyone who writes/draws adult material must a)die or b)should f*ck them, or c) should be "saved" --- and is prepared to act on that decision that makes me hesitent to make my real name handy.

<<<<Slash Fiction Convention held in San Francisco.>>: Okay now I know you're in CA! BUWAHAH! That narrows you down to
only one of 30 million people!>> -- Ummm... no, I'm in Kansas. The bible belt. Hence part of the reason of my excessive caution.

<<<<Better living through chemistry>>: Or drug addiction, according to your choice.>>

I love caffine. Definately my choice of "drugs". *^_^*

Mmm! Soda Pop! Coffee! Tea! Chocolate covered expresso beans...!!! YUM!!!

>^,,^<
Mooncat

Mooncat
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 04:38:40 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Today kicked butt.

I skipped my first four classes, and instead had lunch with my advisor, the Prof for the Structural Analysis dept. He seemed very enthuiastic about my successes with MATLAB, and wants me to start doing research with him next semester, help him plan his classes, possibly even help him write the textbook he's working on for next year. The catch is that he'll basically have to teach me the material (since I don't take structural analysis until next fall, really), and I'm gonna have to learn fast if I want to be able to help him write instructional programs.

My advisor is really interested in helping me find something in the field that I'm interested in. Like every other teacher I've had, he "knows" that if I can just find something I like to do, I'll jump on it like a rabid dog and quickly rise to the top of the field. I use the word in quotes because the truth of the matter is I really don't care about rising to the top of my field...I'm too lazy. I just want to eat and drive a nice car.

Problem is: so far everything in the major bores me. Except finite dimensional analysis (a.k.a. using programming to solve engineering problems).

And he paid for lunch, to boot!

I really hope I can get into this...I'd love to play with this stuff for a living, and he confirmed that product design is also finite dimensional analysis, but with slightly different considerations.

Other than that, I handed in my LAST MATH ASSIGNMENT EVER! Well, technically engineering assignments are math assignments, but this is my last useless math assignment. From here on out its all APPLICATION! Woohoo!

And our GSI was nice enough to NOT give us our last math quiz...so I don't have any more math quizzes ever. Yay!

Meanwhile, "ginger" was revealed today to be a $3000 self-balancing scooter. I'm sorry, but my respect for Steve Jobs just dropped a few notches, since after his investment in the project he said that it would change the world and that cities would be designed and re-designed around its use.

I don't know where Steve Jobs gets his high-grade crack...but I'd kinda like to try it.

replies

Spacebabie: <<My brother is the most difficult person to shop for. He wants a Game Cube controller, and it has to be a specific color. Trouble was He wants a specific color of controller and that color was not to be found>>: Just give him cash to buy his own darn controller. This is why I only ask for cash. Then I take it and buy the exact model number I'm looking for. If your brother is anything like my little twerp, he'll make a face when he sees its the wrong color. Best of luck. <>: So how come he didn't want that color? <<shaved ice>>: I wasn't aware that ice grew hair. <<You couldn�t have said it in the adult CR?>>: Then it wouldn't have been as funny. <<Begin the stress coils!>>: Nope, not yet. I won't start studying for that one for another few days. <<Yes it would take Mac Software and lots of chocolate>>: Chocolate yes, software no. I never ask people for software because I hate having money spent on something I can acquire for free. Now mac hardware, on the other hand...I am kind of drooling over those Cinema Displays... <<Gives Josh some chocolate cookies>>: Why are you trying to tame me? <<What about the �In� Apartment?>>: I don't live there. <<Ooops that�s what I would do to you>>: Why? You have a twisted crush, little girl.

Patrick: <<So why not make your badge quote be "If you can read this, you're too close.>>: Because I'd rather use "A witty saying proves nothing" or "Friends don't let friends use Windows", since I'm one of the few mac users who actually shows up at Gathering. <>: Don't worry, I won't mention it again. In fact, maybe just to piss you off I'll make this big stink about it until Siryn changes it, and then not bother to show up. <>: LA will do that... <<what's left to keep everyone honest if even names are optional?>>: I agree. The real name HAS to present at SOME stage in the game, so they know who's there. I wouldn't have Gathering be as totally unsafe (well, aside from any antics SJ and I would put together) as a con like that.

Revel: <<This is the week before final exams and at my school is properly named DEAD WEEK>>: Here, dead week is 3 days...ticks me off. <<you could make sculpture out of them>>; We would, but we're afraid to touch them. <<Beats tydie underwear that's for sure.>>: No way dude! Tye-dyed boxers rock!

Siryn: <<given the suggestion of lanyards>>: Actually, that's a really good idea if they're just being used for security and not ID.

Greg X: <<there are some very attractive girls working there>>: I remember when the chick behind the counter at B&N hit on me. I wish I had a job that gave me an opportunity to check out hot chicks...since there aren't any here. <>: Yes, but no one is going to pay for strippers. <<Even in my thinking for Gathering 2003 that is the least of my worries.>>: You have your priorities set correctly, so you're busy thinking about how to get strippers. <<YOu like "Titus" to?>>: Oh hell yeah! <<did I say death camps, I meant happy camps>>: I meant death camps. <<not just know them by a net name like "Brooklyn's Lover 339">>: Kinky. I wasn't aware Brooklyn had a harem anywhere but Baldy's ficverse. <<it looks a lot better than "Phantom Menace">>: That's not saying much. I have home movies that are better than Phantom Menace.

Skippy: <<Sounds more like the nifty new toy for executives (retailing at $3000) than some transportation revolution>>: Seriously!

Mooncat: <>: Guess we won't be seeing you at G2k2, then. <<but we have more than our fair share of *scary* obsessed fan boy/girl types that I would NOT want knowing my real name>>: I think you have an unreasonably high estimation of the value of your own name and an unreasonably low expectation of the psychotic-ness of the fandom. As a Rocky attendee and someone who has attended G2k1, I can tell you that you're a bit paranoid. <<then I'd have to pretty much not "be" Mooncat. And what would be the fun of that?>>: I love the bullsh*t some people associate with names. Bad news for you and a few others: changing your "name" doesn't change your personality. You are the same person, whether you're going by "mooncat" or "mandy". This thing where people decide they either don't like their name or that they have some alter-ego that exists only with their chosen name is just silly. <>: I fail to see how that is any different than doing that as whatever birth name you have. <>: Sounds like you've got a million reasons to skip it. Personally, the fact that last year's con staff all harbor fantasies of kicking my ass isn't stopping me. <<Slash Fiction Convention held in San Francisco.>>: Okay now I know you're in CA! BUWAHAH! That narrows you down to only one of 30 million people! <<Better living through chemistry>>: Or drug addiction, according to your choice. <<It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so good at spitting out the pill as soon as I get it stuffed in>>: This is where I made a lewd joke about how you have no experience getting stuff swallowed.

Finnula: <<is someone threatens your life what do you do?>>: Ignore them. They aren't the first, they won't be the last.

Fire Storm: <<THAT'S "IT"?>>: I'm disappointed too. All the hubbub over THAT!? <<isn't even worth HACKING>>: At $3000, its not worth ANYTHING. <<It is his destiny!>>: Says who? <<Like it matters>>: Okay, so you can develop one for yourself...as soon as you distribute it though...Apple will nail you. Like they've nailed everyone else. <<Just...Wrong>>: Agreed. <<The west coast is home to the Anti-Apple. Microshaft!>>: Yeah, but that's all the way up north in Redmond. And lets not forget that APPLE itself is on the west coast as well. <<didn't you catch?>>: Any of it, apparently. My bad. I won't suggest Macs to you again...unless you insist on talking about BSD ;-) <>: Well, that's subjective on your definition of "better". But since you won't buy macs, its a moot point anyway. I'm sure you could acquire older macs for cheap and take them apart and build something custom. But I can't see why you'd want to, since the whole purpose of mac design is that Apple "builds the whole widget". <<to see what all the hype was about>>: Have you had a chance to play with OS X at all yet? If you do, check out the built-in scripting. PERL as well as applescript. All the UNIX geeks drool over that one.

Gside: <<You are a strange, strange person>>: Definitely. <<there is a certain humor in bestiality>>: Only if it involves love-ewe's 8-) <<but the more southern regions of the west coast are renouned for their hippies>>: Like, say STEVE JOBS ;-)

Christine: <<NO, it wasn't smut. Sheesh. I was a kid>>: So? ;-) And no, it isn't difficult for me to believe.

Sorow: <<Wish me luck cause I really need it>>: Good luck.

And on that note, good nite.

As always there is a good chance I will be checking e-mail by clamping down my teeth onto the overhead wires and whistling modem tones if necessary. - Aaron Richton
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 02:57:44 AM
IP: 64.161.26.43

Greg B.> Whoever was hosting the LOTR movie took it down, apparently. I'm in Baychester (at least that's what I've been told. Since I don't drive, I've never needed to learn the local geography). =P

Christine> Wow, that really sucks. Can't wait to see it up, though.
Vashkoda
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 02:23:28 AM
IP: 129.98.122.194

silvadel -- Mew? My brain is a little fuzzy with all the stuff I've been up to lately. Which magic were we talking about again?

General notes... The weather was sumptiously gorgeous today, and I got all the litter boxes changed and the main cat room spiffed up. Combed clean all the cat trees except the giant one hanging from the ceiling, mopped and scrubbed and then tossed all the Bengals in the spiff room so I could work on the rest of the house.

Got sucked into the computer instead. ah me.

Between house cleaning and story storming... I'm either to the point of dancing or collapsing like a marionette with cut strings. Right now I'm at one of the collapse points. Hmmm... ah! realize I need caffine!

Better living through chemistry! Or I could take a nap. After giving three of my cat their twice a day pills. oooh... definately after caffine.

Only pure love or lots of cash will get a person to willingly stick pills down the throats of unwilling cats. And in my case it has to be love because there isn't enough money in the world to get me to do this for any other reason.

Vulnerable bare fingers, tiny caverns full of sharp pointy teeth. And I need to trim their claws again too... ah me... It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so good at spitting out the pill as soon as I get it stuffed in.

soda break!
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 02:16:23 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Hey hey. I spent all day alternating btw reading LotR and studying for tests. I'm exhausted! Wish me luck cause I really need it.
SOROW
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 02:11:37 AM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Nar -- Actually I am even more morning oriented than that --If I had a project to do at the last minute, unlike most people who stayed up most of the night -- I would go to bed and set the alarm for 4:00am. I would walk into one of the lan site locales and I would be chipper rested and energetic and look at the faces around me and shiver(everyone with 34 o clock shadow and frowns).

Definitely have to get myself back to a more normal schedule -- I find I sleep way too much when I am skewed too late(the difference between 6-7 hours of sleep per night and refreshed if I wake up before 7 vs 8-9 if I am waking up later and not as refreshed.

Mooncat -- Who knows about the magic -- it is very odd. There is still some attraction here.
silvadel
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 01:03:53 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

*Patrick and anyone else*

If you want to see what the Dundee and Elvis impersenators looked like take a gander.
Revel - [<<---------Click!!]
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 12:28:35 AM
IP: 129.120.255.222

Avalon Mists update > the new issue is ready to post but I'm unable to get FTP to work ... waiting on Chris Rogers. If anyone is in regular contact with him, please nudge him to check his mail. Got lots of good stuff this issue!

Josh > difficult as it may be to believe, NO, it wasn't smut. Sheesh. I was a kid. I didn't get into writing smut until college.

Revel > reminds me of the year one of the residents' mothers knitted bootie-slippers for every (50+) resident of Cascade Hall. And I had to wrap them. Boy, I don't miss that place!

What a weekend. Got most everything done, busted by rear to finish AvMists, and then to have the FTP not be working just was the last straw. Snapped. Went and had a good cry. Got a meager nap and spent a cruddy night at work, not getting a thing done with the book. Bleah. Feeling much better now with a solid 9 hours of sleep behind me.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 12:20:33 AM
IP: 64.24.34.183

Lain> <>: Yup, seemed rather amateurish to me. But then that probably explains a few things about windows. And aren't you going to promote your video?

Silvadel> <<When I was in college I loved morning exams>>: You are a strange, strange person.

Imzadi> <>: Which makes any attempts to teach him amusing to watch, but not experience.
<<They so weren't doing it right>>: Probably, but we won't quite know for sure.
<<That was terrible>>: Yes, but there is a certain humor in bestiality.

Spacebabie> <<He wants a Game Cube controller, and it has to be a specific color>>: I can undertand many different colors (so much easier to make sure you have the least valued player number), but specific colors get too deeply into superstition.

Fire Storm> <<The west coast is home to the Anti-Apple. Microshaft>>: Right, but the more southern regions of the west coast are renouned for their hippies.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 12:16:48 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

http://www.segway.com
THAT'S "IT"? A frigging 2 wheeled scooter?
And it only uses NiMH BATTERIES? With all that talk, I at LEAST expected the thing to have a fuel cell!
That POS isn't even worth HACKING!

Lynati Kshudra: <Dahh. Wsell, I have a friend in MD who I believe still tapes every ep>
The episode has been erased from history. Ye shall never see a naked Spike!

Coyote: <You *do* realize, of course, that the pun police is really gonna have to hurt you for your X-Men: Evolution spoiler>
Guilty! I am GUILTY!
BUT... I thought my one on AOLIM was better!

DPH: <Here's something interesting>
I noticed the rest long time ago. The first one is new to me.
1001 is a prime, right?

Imzadi: <Yeah, but I don't think he's willing to learn>
But he must. it is his destiny!
<its the aqua interface that can't legally be copied>
LEGALLY. There you go using that word. Like it matters.
<Can you imagine having a ruler who HADN'T known the touch of another person?>
Wrong. Just... Wrong.
<>>: Really? I've never been in a graphics place that didn't use macs. Weird. Maybe its a west-coast thing>
Which is wierd. The west coast is home to the Anti-Apple. Microshaft!
<Okay, that's a big one! I didn't realize that before. You build from scratch?>
Definately!
Which part of the "I build from parts" that I have said many times didn't you catch?
It is a HELLUVA lot cheaper for me! I can build ALOT better machines for less money.
<Ah, but there's always the chance for a partial conversion...I saw you pondering that iBook>
For the same reasons the Internet Content at my work uses Macs. To test compatability, and to see what all the hype was about.
<Oh sure, just rail on her pride, why don't you?>
Na. She is too nice!
And it WAS from scratch!

Greg Bishansky: <Me to, Evil the Cat was my favorite>
Or the Fur Barren Trout!

finnula mccrory: <is someone threatens your life what do you do?>
HURT//MAIM//KILL!
OR call the police. Your choice.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, December 4, 2001 12:07:27 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

is someone threatens your life what do you do?
finnula mccrory
Monday, December 3, 2001 11:54:57 PM
IP: 166.66.19.159

Patrick <<I'm curious, though, how check-in works at the cons you say you've been to where you don't even have to give your real name when registering. I mean... just thinking about it right now, I'm sure I could walk into any sci-fi convention just about anywhere in the world and say, for example, "Hi, I'm Spike" and there'd likely be a badge waiting for me. Granted, a name like Mooncat or Puck or CrzyDemona would be harder to scam with... but still, what's left to keep everyone honest if even names are optional?>>

I've pre-reg at most major cons where you show up at the desk and give the name your tickets are under (mind now that I usually put my badge under the name Mooncat) and your **pre-reg confirmation number**.

And in pre-reg, I've been asked what name I want on the badge. I usually say Mooncat, or a variation there of. Neko Neko, Neko Chan, Moonkitty, LunaFelis... I can't remember the last time a badge had my real name on it. I think I must have been 11 or 12...

The only time I have had to flash ID is to show I'm over 21 for the ADULT Badge (usually a different color or picture than underage badges) so people will know I'm legal to go to the room parties (where alcohol is served) or adult only video/events rooms.

If I do a walk in registration I am paying my money right then and there. No worries I'm about to walk off with someone elses badge. *^_^*

In fact, the only convention I know of where ID was absolutely required before being registered is for an Invitation Only convention which has a set number of memberships (about 3 or 4 hundred I think) -- and real names on badges was *not* required. This is a yearly Slash Fiction Convention held in San Francisco. Interesting dress code. Bondage Apparel optional, but always appreciated. *^_~*

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Monday, December 3, 2001 11:29:39 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Mooncat > Well, we set our policy for G2001 as we did based on legal advice we were given. I have no doubt other cons may have other policies... and G2002 is free to set theirs. I'm curious, though, how check-in works at the cons you say you've been to where you don't even have to give your real name when registering. I mean... just thinking about it right now, I'm sure I could walk into any sci-fi convention just about anywhere in the world and say, for example, "Hi, I'm Spike" and there'd likely be a badge waiting for me. Granted, a name like Mooncat or Puck or CrzyDemona would be harder to scam with... but still, what's left to keep everyone honest if even names are optional?

Not trying to be a wiseguy here... I'm just honestly curious if anyone knows how other conventions handle this.
Patrick Toman
Monday, December 3, 2001 10:51:42 PM
IP: 66.72.196.198

Names and Badges -- well here I have to disagree with Patrick and others. I've never been to a convention (and I've been to several) where your real name was required to be on your badge, or even for registration. And yes, I have severe privacy issues. I understand the consideration for security of the con, I also place my personal security in higher regard.

I wouldn't mind going to a convention and having to show ID to the official con registration staff to GET my badge, but I would pretty much have to boycott any con that required me to wear my name ON my badge, as a matter of principle.

I understand the safety issues, but if someone is behaving badly then knowing their badge name or number should be just as good as a name. If someone is acting really badly, what do you do? You take away their badge. Bang, they are no longer able to go to the convention events. If you have their badge/#, con staff should be able to match it to "real" names on their registration.

I am a single female. I also have some small rep in the adult genre of fandom, garg and otherwise. I do NOT go around with my "real" name tagged out where anyone can latch onto it. Especially at Conventions. I love fandom, but we have more than our fair share of *scary* obsessed fan boy/girl types that I would NOT want knowing my real name.

If I *HAD* to walk around wearing my "real name" on my badge, then I'd have to pretty much not "be" Mooncat. And what would be the fun of that?

I know I am not about to fly out and spend hundreds of dollars on travel and hotel to just breeze the dealers room and maybe luck out on on seeing a five minute promo reel of Bad Guys. I want to go and smooze, mix, mingle etc... as Mooncat.

Otherwise, I might as well just go to San Diego Con, where I can probably talk a few of my local friends into going with me. I mean, if I go to the Gathering, it's a solo deal. None of my local friends are into Gargoyles enough to spend the major cash to go to a way, way, out of state Con just for Gargoyles. *sigh*

As it is, I may not be able to. I've had unexpected expenses this year (new car, etc) and I'm teetering on the decision. It'll cost a small fortune (at least $600 for travel and hotel), and I hate traveling alone. The badge name thing would pretty much push the idea right out. eh...

just my thoughts
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Monday, December 3, 2001 10:33:42 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Todd > You mean you missed seeing the little gang of four alleged representatives of "another con over in Burbank" who were hanging out in the lobby most of Saturday and Sunday? Or the Crocodile Dundee and Elvis impersonators who were down by the ballrooms right before the Voice Actor's panel? Heh... maybe someone somewhere has a picture. :)
Patrick Toman
Monday, December 3, 2001 09:04:09 PM
IP: 66.72.196.198

Interesting news, they finally unveiled IT that mysterious invention that's supposed to revolutionize life as we know it. IT turns out to be essentaily stand-up wheelchair.

Sounds more like the nifty new toy for executives (retailing at $3000) than some transportation revolution....
Skippy The Klingon
Monday, December 3, 2001 08:17:24 PM
IP: 209.245.243.90

Well, my job is going quite well. Had my first full day yesterday, worked for nine hours but didn't mind, the people there are nice and the environment is good. And above all, there are some very attractive girls working there ;)

*** LORD OF THE RINGS STUFF ***

There's a new "Lord of the Rings" movie commercial which has caught a lot of attention by the LOTR fandom, mainly because we get our first look at Sauron in it. It's obviously an image from the prologue or a flashback. Well, Sauron's image is now all over the place, if you want to see it go to the following URL or click on my name.

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=10917

I personally really like the design they have for him. It truly fits the Dark Lord better than anything I envisioned.

*** END LORD OF THE RINGS STUFF ***

VASH> <<Aw man, the first NYC mini-Gathering I've heard of since I've moved and I won't even be there! I guess that's what I get for going home on the holidays.>> Too bad, it'd have been cool to see you. I didn't know you lived in the New York area. I'm up in Westchester.

JOSH> <<All of you dressed in black walking the streets of Manhattan is something I want pictures of!>> I'll see if I can get some. Oh and Josh, I think there are more important things to a Gathering than how big the font size on the name tags are. Even in my thinking for Gathering 2003 that is the least of my worries. <> YOu like "Titus" to? It's a great show. Ken Titus is one of my heroes ;)

IDIOTS WEARING BADGES> Then after we do this, over time we can move all the Idiots into Idiot only neighborhoods, and then after that put them on trains in cattle cars and take them to death camps... did I say death camps, I meant happy camps ;)

FIRE STORM> <<YES! That was one VERY f$ked up show, wasn't it? I LOVED it!>> Me to, Evil the Cat was my favorite.

DPH> <<Dumb question: how'd you tolerate the smell and the flies?>> It was winter so know flies, as for the smell... I forget, it was several years ago.

PATRICK> I agree with you on all your points on con badges requiring real names. I know that if someone at G2003 causes trouble, I want to know their real name, and not just know them by a net name like "Brooklyn's Lover 339"

TODD> <<People actually crashed the Gathering 2001? I must have missed that! Or else I forgot about it afterwards.>> I'm not sure of the whole story, but I know the guy in the Crocodile Dundee costume was one of them.

Finally saw the trailer for "Star Wars" Episode II. My expectations are low, but it looks a lot better than "Phantom Menace". Glad Jake Lloyd is no where near this one, Jar Jar is absent except for five minutes (five minutes too many IMO), Natalie Portman older and prettier (without that horrible white makeup), Boba Fett (or someone like him), Christopher Lee, some other stuff. We'll see, but I'm not expecting much. But my prediciton is that it will be better than Episode I, and that we'll go in and see it with such low expectations that we'll be pleasantly surprised... of course it won't be much better than Episode I so any praise will be a reuslt of it not being as bad as we expect it to be.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Sauron Dark Lord of Mordor]
Monday, December 3, 2001 08:01:33 PM
IP: 216.179.2.75

Sorry for the double post, but:

People actually crashed the Gathering 2001? I must have missed that! Or else I forgot about it afterwards.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 3, 2001 07:12:45 PM
IP: 168.191.109.180

I got up to the end of "The Mirror of Galadriel" in my LotR reading today. One passage in it strikes me as having a strong relevancy to "Gargoyles", when Galadriel tells Frodo and Sam that some of the visions in her Mirror only come true if people attempt to stop them from coming true.

Which is something that's actually happened in "Gargoyles" a few times. For example, Demona helps the Captain of the Guard betray Castle Wyvern to the Vikings partly because of her seeing the terrible future in "Vows" of her clan massacred by "the humans" - and the massacre is the result of the betrayal. Or Duncan fears that Macbeth will replace him as King - especially after hearing the words of the Weird Sisters - makes war on him in an attempt to stop it from coming true, and in so doing, actually brings about Macbeth's accession to the throne.

Of course, when you stop to think it over, it's an old concept (going back at least to Sophocles' "Oedipus Rex", where the very efforts by Laius and Oedipus to prevent the dark prophecies about Oedipus's future from coming true is what brings about their fulfillment).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 3, 2001 07:10:43 PM
IP: 168.191.109.180

Siryn > Well, the issue of real names on the con badges has more to do with everyone's safety and security than it does con staff preference. When you're answerable for the actions of 300+ people, you kinda like to know who they all really are. Especially when you've got folks just walking in off the street trying to crash the con, like G2001 did. I think we were the first Gathering, actually, that had ever been crashed. Yes, I suppose there were a few people who were extra paranoid about giving their real name... but people have to realize that a convention is not like a rock concert, where you can just buy a ticket and walk in anonymously. If we'd asked for social security numbers, yes, I could see people being upset. But to recoil at the question "What is your name?"... that's a new one for me.
Patrick Toman
Monday, December 3, 2001 07:09:19 PM
IP: 66.72.196.198

Revel- well.. i'll be there... but i've got to leave the 30th :( have promises I forgot about :P

::huggles::

Lyn - things are pulling together... my mom's not going to like it, but oh well... my life. Talk to Emambu and let me know what's up there.

Erik - GET ONLINE!!! Need to plan for meetings :P

Anyway.. too much to do! laters till after finals and moving....
Aingeal
Monday, December 3, 2001 06:45:31 PM
IP: 207.42.162.177

*in*

DPH: to the TGSyahoo group thing...last night. (a l'il response to the email you had just sent.)
but I sent it from my yahoo account, not my hotmail one; it said it couldn't be delivered 'caused my yahoo acct wasn;t part of the group. but I wanted to make sure it hadn;t gone out anyway.

Winterwolf: got yours; thanks. : )

Revel: Yeah, she gave it to me last night. mainly I was just polling for the last of the unknown info, and to make sure everyone was cool with it being available to the others in the group.
...oh, but not your arrival info. date, gate, and such.

Siryn: it's fine. mainly I was just worried that the list had been misplaced or something...that would bite. heh.

*out again*
Lynati
Monday, December 3, 2001 05:08:50 PM
IP: 207.221.70.91

Lyanti> Ack. Sorry, I'll get that posted ASAP. I have mainly been focused on getting mail in and online registration up first (let alone the website itself) and then filling in the bits. But I'll get the registration list set up. :) Thanks for telling me.

Josh> *shakes her head* I never heard complaints about the type being small. Although I honestly liked the G2001 badges, I think they're the best we've had so far! :) Especially where design and graphic are concerned. :) People had suggested not using RL names..just their alias. I know some people at the convention purposely didn't wear the badges for that reason .. -_-; (poor G2001 staff!) and I also was given the suggestion of lanyards..but nope, you're the first to suggest font.

Lady Mystic> Thanks for resending the email. SOrry for the trouble. -_-;;

Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Monday, December 3, 2001 01:40:12 PM
IP: 24.93.24.2

So yet begins another week. This is the week before final exams and at my school is properly named DEAD WEEK. Why is it proper? Because we're all dead tired, but it is still not over. So close, so close. I myself and working on a painting, and many other side activites... mostly art stuff.

Lynati- got you E and I sent the info to Aingeal.

Josh- You should see the dust bunnies we get in the corners at the end of the year, you could make sculpture out of them. Or build a cat

Christine- well you could do what my aunt did one year. She was going to make slipers for everyone, but by the time christmas rolled around she did not have enough done so everyone got one and an IOU. Beats tydie underwear that's for sure.

Aingeal- Okay I've got my tickets now, so I expect to see you there. ;)

Warp the Bald- I suppose this is a silly question but I don't think anyone asked whether you would be returning to the US for 2002?

"And you know what hell is... it's Andy Gibb singing Shadow Dancing for eons and eons and you have to wear bright orange bell bottoms and sit next to the Baycity Rollers."

-Denis Leary-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, December 3, 2001 01:40:06 PM
IP: 129.120.255.222

Lynati - you sent me an email? when and which email address did you send it to? I got a bunch of emails last week from an address I didn't recognize.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, December 3, 2001 01:07:40 PM
IP: 204.94.193.63

*leans in*

DPH : did my email make it to anyone afterall?
:P

*away*
Lynati
Monday, December 3, 2001 01:02:55 PM
IP: 207.221.70.91

Josh > So why not make your badge quote be "If you can read this, you're too close." If I was to buy Christmas gifts for CR members, I think you would be getting a whip to keep flogging that dead horse with. :P

Virus warnings > 99.9% of e-mailed virus warnings are hoaxes. You would think by now people would start thinking twice before following the badly spelled directions from a person they don't even know that tell them things like every "dll" file on their computer is really a virus and must be deleted immediately to avert certain doom.

But I suppose this is why if I have to pick a quote for my con badge, that quote is going to be "I see dumb people..." :P

:: lurks off to finish his lunch ::

Patrick Toman
Monday, December 3, 2001 12:28:31 PM
IP: 64.81.9.210

What a day, I spent most of it at the mall yesterday doing Christmas shopping. My brother is the most difficult person to shop for. He wants a Game Cube controller, and it has to be a specific color. Trouble was He wants a specific color of controller and that color was not to be found. I did find a different kind of controller for Game cube in a silver color which is his favorite color. I also bought a silver picture frame lined with rhinestones for my parents. The stones look like diamonds, and the 27th is their 30th anniversary.
After the mall I went to Toys R us where I found the silver controller. Mom went to pick up a book she ordered at the Barns N Noble . After purchasing the gift I went outside to a small booth that sold hot dogs, popcorn, and shaved ice. While I was waiting for m ice a large group of seagulls stared to fly into the area and swoop down. It was like a Hitchcock movie. I stayed under the awning to avoid being splattered. Many of the birds flew down to snack on some spilled pop corn.
At the end of the day I was beat. I just wanted to eat, have a bubble bath, study, read, and sleep.

Rayvn>>> Hey thanks for the cookies, everybody loves chocolate chip, of course Toll House found a way to make them better. They created cookies with gooey caramel centers.

Firestorm<<<Yeah, I realize it was a bit over the top, but I just HAD to say it somewhere!>>>You couldn�t have said it in the adult CR?

Josh<<<My first final is in 10 days. >>> Begin the stress coils!<<<Nothing major, but there was free food and we all got to rag on the jerks we knew in the industry.>>> Sounds like a fun day for you.<<<It'll take a lot more than cracks about cute chicks to "tame" me.>>> Yes it would take Mac Software and lots of chocolate. :::Gives Josh some chocolate cookies::: <<<Actually, its been my experience that girls' apartments are messier than boys' in general, but in our case, out apartment is pretty clean general because I'm a neat freak. Its just...dusty.>>> What about the �In� Apartment? Sorry, couldn�t resist.<<<Um...riiiiight. Where did that come from, just out of curiosity?>>> Ooops that�s what I would do to you.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Monday, December 3, 2001 12:09:10 PM
IP: 67.25.52.239

My first final is in 10 days.

I did almost nothing today but work, and then Mike and I went down to the new Apple store in Valley Fair, where they were hosting their after hours "friends and family" night for the employees. Our friend Ian got us in, and we spent a few hours chatting it up with a few people about Apple stuff. Nothing major, but there was free food and we all got to rag on the jerks we knew in the industry.

And I got about 4 Valley Fair store t-shirts.

And that was my day. Fun, huh?

replies

Silvadel: <<There are big problems about having the idiots wear badges>>: At first, I thought you were referring to my comments about the Con badges. That'll teach me to wake up BEFORE I read the CR, not after ;-) <>: I was thinking closer to 1 in 50. <<you will still miss those who cant pin the badge on themselves -- and think of all the eyes that will be poked out>>: But most of them won't be leaving the house, driving, or otherwise in my way. So I'm not really concerned about them.

The Wizard: <<_every_ fruit in the known universe>>: Nah, there are some oranges downstairs that you skipped. <<they have all self-confidence medically removed>>: That would be a neat trick. <<He should be dunked in acid>>: Great idea! <<And the infamous "...">>: I like that one. Sounds like its just ignoring you. <<Or get a laptop>>: That implies ability to sit upright, and spend buttloads of money. <<so a little competition couldn't hurt the _victor_.>>: Um, "pyhrric (sp?) victory"? <<I'll ask a mathematician that, next time>>: THEY deal in the abstract like you wouldn't believe. They make surrealists look reality-based. <<cuz we're all 19/20/21 and should be mature by now>>: What a joke. <<What about Irish?>>: I didn't look it up. And the dictionary is safely in LA, sadly. <<How'd you fend off the sentient dust bunnies?>>: Behold: THE VACUUM CLEANER OF DEATH! <<Try a different country>>: Portugal, perhaps? <<because they made me so crazy>>: Mine just made me sleep. A lot. <<I'll see what I can do about shipping you Brad Pitt or some other hunk ;) Of course, he may be slightly used>>: Kinky.

Spacebabie: <<Hey I just know how to tame these boys>>: It'll take a lot more than cracks about cute chicks to "tame" me. <<Lets see college boys�The apartment of college boys=toxic waste dump, yeah that would have been a major project>>: Actually, its been my experience that girls' apartments are messier than boys' in general, but in our case, out apartment is pretty clean general because I'm a neat freak. Its just...dusty. <<and knowing Sorrow that�s what she would do. Roll you up in a sack like a burrito, then gag you, then take pictures of you. Then leave you there and laugh>>: Um...riiiiight. Where did that come from, just out of curiosity? <<but I like to strut around naked indoors>>: That was something I probably didn't need to know.

Siryn: <>: Strippers! <<One of the things that everyone really seemed to love was having personalized quotes>>: No one will read each other's quotes, because they'll be too small to read on the badges. <<its the first time I heard that suggested as an improvement to the badges>>: No one's thought of this before? It was the first thing that occurred to me at G2k1. I'm standing around, seeing a bunch of garg fans, but not sure who I'm looking at because I had no idea what anyone looked like...I couldn't read their badges without getting...uh...personal, so I had to wait and hope they recognized me from my website.

Ravyn: <>: ::drools:: <<This is a huge thing for an engineer who has never cooked anything more than microwave meals and mac 'n cheese in her life>>: Congrats! My philosophy on cooking is "help out if needed, but otherwise avoid at all costs". <<I'll get to see actual snow>>: Its not all its cracked up to be. <<we'll make sure to make a really sappy really real post in here together just for all of you>>: Thanks. We appreciate it. Really. <<My very last homework (it's done, yay!) was allll about screws>>: I bet. <<That's pretty good engineering humor>>: Silly, isn't it?

FS: <<but he must know>>: Yeah, but I don't think he's willing to learn. <>: Well, Darwin has been compiled for Intel...its the aqua interface that can't legally be copied. Supposedly, Apple has a copy of OS X for Intel, but they're not going to release it unless Motorola AND IBM spontaneously both go belly-up and Apple is forced to switch to an Intel/AMD chipset. <<At least PC's are backwards compatible with nearly ALL the hardware ever made for the system>>: I agree that the hardware will mate...but the software might not exist to run it in many cases. And there's always PCI cards (mac and PC). <<he must know the touch of a woman. It's frigging LAW!>>: Can you imagine having a ruler who HADN'T known the touch of another person? <<one is in the internet department to test compatibility>>: Like I said, unless they make mac products...most tech places don't run macs. <<Of all the graphics places I have been in, I have yet to see a Mac>>: Really? I've never been in a graphics place that didn't use macs. Weird. Maybe its a west-coast thing. <<Every single one of those places I have been to in this area use PC's>>: Silly area. In LA and NYC, that's definitely not the case. <>: Okay, that's a big one! I didn't realize that before. You build from scratch? <<you can't convince me to totally convert to Mac>>: Ah, but there's always the chance for a partial conversion...I saw you pondering that iBook... <<From scratch of pre-made dough>>: Oh sure, just rail on her pride, why don't you? ;-)

Coyote: <<the Q training is goin' well>>: I'm insanely jealous. Where are you taking classes?

Gside: <<But is it different from five rolls in the sack, and one on the kitchen table?>>: Not significantly. <>: They so weren't doing it right. <<They don't enjoy stimulating the pleasure centers of their brains?>>: I know, some women are weird. <<Many people are cheap>>: Like this fandom. <<They have their sheep>>: That was terrible.

Robby: <<follow these instructions>>: Sure. Uh...where's "start"?

Okay okay so I get off on making fun of viruses. So sue me.

I can see B.S. behind twenty feet of lead reinforced concrete, in a blizzard, at night, underground, on another planet, in a galaxy far far away. -Christopher Titus, Titus
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, December 3, 2001 04:28:41 AM
IP: 64.170.153.43

Posting from the Apple Store in San Jose! I just kind of walked in with my iBook and jacked into the airport connection...

JOY!
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
San Jose, CA, US of A
Monday, December 3, 2001 01:05:37 AM
IP: 17.255.232.158

When I was in college I loved morning exams... When I had that opportunity it was always worth half a grade to me... Partially because I am a morning person -- partially because most of the others arent...

What used to hurt me was when I would end up with an 8pm exam... I am already partially dead by then. I would typically lose about half a grade on an exam administered at that time.

Yes it is fairly late right now -- then again I had a virus during the same period I had a chest cold and I have been sleeping way way too much(one day it was 12-13 hours of sleep but I needed it) and am not as tired as I probably should be.
silvadel
Monday, December 3, 2001 12:41:42 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Hey all. I have a test everyday this week so I'm studying, studying, studying! Just started buying Christmas presents with my almost nonexistent budget and still trying to finish LotR. I'm determined to finish that book before Dec 19th no matter what. Let's see... I'd say more but I have to get ready for a math test tomorrow at 7:30 AM. YUCK!
SOROW
Sunday, December 2, 2001 11:46:01 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

***** TGS CR ARCHIVE UPDATE *****

The CR archive has been updated to include weeks from November 17, 2001 to December 1, 2001 for a total of 2 weeks added to the 2001 database.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2001/

***** END TGS CR ARCHIVE UPDATE *****
Lady Mystic - [<-- 2001 CR ARCHIVE]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Sunday, December 2, 2001 11:33:48 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Though, I must say I haven't ever seen a Windows icon quite like THAT one before, don't you agree?
Lurking Fish
Sunday, December 2, 2001 11:32:51 PM
IP: 64.228.194.115

**COMPUTER VIRUS**
I do believe in NOT opening email attachements if I am not expecting the attachement. I also believe in doing monthly virus scans by the 'net.

It is generally a good idea to keep yourself subscribed to a newletter that updates you on virus and issues warnings. That way, you can tell when a hoax comes around.
**END COMPUTER VIRUS**

Fire Storm - Here's something interesting: 1001 = 7 * 11 * 13 - those are fourth, fifth, and six prime numbers. Or consider this: 1 + 2 + 3 = 1 * 2 * 3 = 6 or 2 + 2 = 2 * 2 = 4. Yes, I have studied numbers.

Stupid people - I have always wondered what it would be like if you had to have a certain IQ level in order to vote or hold public office.

SJ - I know exactly how to utilize your services: when Josh/Wilek take over, I'll need some recourse to ensure I end up master of the asteroid belt. Objective #1: my own private space station with artificial gravity produced one way or another.

Imzadi - how are those of us you promised countries/other things to supposed to get if you claim to forget? <Personally, I think the tests should start at 5 in the evening instead of 8AM, or at least noon.> I agree. Fortunately, the test takes four hours so you can't email your friends the questions ahead of time. <Thanks. I can integrate functions in my sleep, apply new and amazing
matricies...but I hadn't figured out subtraction yet.>Don't ask me to explain the difference between the sin and cos function to trigonmetry. I always get those two confused.

<Sometimes, I picture a world of peace and happiness, where strife is unknown and guile is unneeded. And then I think how easy it'd be to attack 'em, cause they'd never see it coming...">Dumb question: how much spending on military defense is enough if you apply that statement?

GXB - <We once went six months without moving the Halloween Jack O Lantern.> Dumb question: how'd you tolerate the smell and the flies?

**HOLIDAYS/Personal**
I may have said this before. I don't know, but holidays have lost their meaning for me. Maybe, it's because there is nothing to look forward to anymore.

I used to have dreams my mom was back home alive (haven't had one in a while; of course, I rarely remember dreams). I was so happy to see her. Nevermind the illogic in the situation or where she's been, I was just happy to see her because I missed her so much. Last mother's day, I resolved somethings about my dad and I. We still can't get along with each other because we have completely different points of view. [I don't know why I am typing this.]

Every time I hear "It's the most wonderfull time of the year . . . ", I keep thinking "It's the most miserable time of the year . . . ".
**END CHRISTMAS/PERSONAL**
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, December 2, 2001 10:41:25 PM
IP: 204.94.193.57

Robby - Virus hoaxes can do as much as damage as a real virus. It is always a good idea to have yourself subscribed to a list that updates you to the latest viruses and issues warnings. Thanks for reminding me to do my once a month virus scan.

More post shortly.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, December 2, 2001 10:04:31 PM
IP: 204.94.193.25

More info on the "virus". Its not quite ca virus on its own... Call me a sucker...

This particular email message is a hoax. The file that is mentioned in the hoax, however, Sulfnbk.exe, is a Microsoft Windows utility that is used to restore long file names, and like any .exe file, it can be infected by a virus that targets .exe files.
The virus/worm W32.Magistr.24876@mm can arrive as an attachment named Sulfnbk.exe. The Sulfnbk.exe file used by Windows is located in the C:\Windows\Command folder. If the file is located in any other folder, or arrives as an attachment to a email message, then it is possible that the file is infected. In this case, if a scan with the latest virus definitions and with NAV set to scan all files does not detect the file as being infected, quarantine and submit the file to SARC for analysis by following the instructions in the document How to submit a file to SARC using Scan and Deliver.
If you have deleted the Sulfnbk.exe file from the C:\Windows\Command folder and want to know how to restore the file, see the How to restore the Sulfnbk.exe file section at the end of this document.

If your a dunce, like me, and delete it right off and wish to restore the file, check http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
for info on how to restore the function. Its not required for everyday use tho.
Robby
Sunday, December 2, 2001 09:55:48 PM
IP: 172.164.141.28

******VIRUS ALERT! VIRUS ALERT!*******

Just heard about this in the S8 CR, and this one is *NOT* a hoax, folks. I checked it out, and *MY* computer had it. So this isn't one of those hoax things that people spread for laughs, it actually is out there. (And incidentally, anyone I've e-mailed in the last month or so should definatley check...)

This virus is programmed to activate after being on your Hard Drive for a while. Because of the delay in activation, it may not get picked up by anti-virus programs (McAfee, Norton, Trend Micro, etc.) There's no way of knowing how long this virus has been on the system. It is possible that it has been around for several months. When it does become active, IT WILL DESTROY ALL FILES AND FOLDERS on your hard drive!!! The virus spreads when you send out emails and places itself into C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND. In order to find this virus, follow these instructions:

- Click on "Start"
- Choose "Search" or "Find"
- Choose "For Files or Folders..."
- Name of file to search for: SULFNBK.EXE
- Set to Look In: Local Hard Drives (C:)
- Select "Find" or "Search Now"

If you find this file, DO NOT OPEN IT! Select it by right clicking it with your mouse and DELETE it. Go to your RECYCLE BIN and PERMANTLY DELETE it from there. The good news is that YOU HAVE ELIMINATED THE VIRUS on YOUR computer. The bad news is that YOU HAVE TRANSMITTED this virus to anyone you may have e-mailed in the last month or more. Thus the reason for this message. Please contact everyone in your address book and pass this message along.
Robby
Sunday, December 2, 2001 09:47:41 PM
IP: 172.164.141.28

Imzadi> <<that's different from a good roll in the sack>>: But is it different from five rolls in the sack, and one on the kitchen table?
<>: Because you were waiting for me.
<<Some women actually don't masturbate>>: There's a quote I came across once, "I tried it for about ten minutes before boredom sttled in. All in all, it wasn't as solid as it is with external organs."<<but consider the possibility that they ACTUALLY don't enjoy either>>: They don't enjoy stimulating the pleasure centers of their brains?
<<That, and lube>>: See http://www.seanbaby.com/movies/grundy4.rm
Niamhgold> <>: Even starfruit?
<<Ah, poor you>>: Quite.
<<Let's not forget about Egyptian myth>>: I've stuck mostly to Greko-Roman and Norse. Now Sliepnier is freaky.
<<Or get a laptop>>: More expensive. Many people are cheap.
<<What about Irish?>>: They have their sheep.

Lynati> <<With the what?>>: See my middle comments to Imzadi. The acronym stands for Little Man in the Boat.
<<I?m pretty sure that one was only 90k....especially since the entire email was only 528k>>: A longish pure text email is 30k or so. That file was probably around 500k, 450 if you talked a lot.

And the new mp3 is Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, from Mondy Python and the Live of Brain. Which was produced by the good Mr. Harrison.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, December 2, 2001 09:47:24 PM
IP: 165.230.240.116

**enters and plops into a big, thick, blue recliner that he conjures out of thin air** Yep, the Q training is goin' well. As far as the real world goes, I'm taking my last vacation week of 2001 starting *tomorrow.* So I'm going to be catching up on my sleep. kind of.

I'll also be catching up on other things as well. :)

Well, as Ravyn already stated, she's coming up to my neck of the woods to help ring in the new year. We're planning on havin' a good time. :)

FS: You *do* realize, of course, that the pun police is really gonna have to hurt you for your X-Men: Evolution spoiler. :P

Fleur: Geez, hope you start feeling better soon. Ye gods, my back pain is a *piker* compared to yours right now. **hugs gently**

NYers: I know it's probably waaaaaaaaaaaay late, but I figure the time is right: good luck on your 2003 bid.

HailerStar: Take the tack one of my ex-coworkers took ... he started paraphrasing "The Sixth Sense," going around saying: "I see stupid people. All the time. And they don't know they're stupid." ;)
Y'know, you really should check out Bill Engvall, who suggested the exact same thing (giving stupid people signs). Ever heard of "Here's Your Sign"?

**lets Ravyn sit on his lap, huggling her tight** hey sweetheart. ;) Congratulations on the cookies, love. :)
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, December 2, 2001 08:24:52 PM
IP: 64.243.214.66

Siryn: I resent the email. And here's my addy: lady-mystic@usa.net. :)

Ravyn: Can't wait to see you IRL too! **hugs**
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Sunday, December 2, 2001 03:06:55 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

uhh...that second to last post should be to Niamhgold, not myslef. *^_^*

*poings out*
Lynati eeep!
Sunday, December 2, 2001 02:52:41 PM
IP: 205.185.0.127

*poings in*
I like doughnuts, too!

workin workin workin...some even on TGS stuff! Yay!

Aingeal: come online! we need to have chattage, k-k?

Triglycerine: <Lovecraftian> See! I knew I wasn�t the only one who used that word! Several years back, in RL, some people wouldn�t even believe me that it was a real adjective.

Mara: <Sleep child. Play with the LMitB, that should help.> With the what?

Robby: <Hope you're recovering from your awake streak...> Thanks, I seem to be.

Aaron: Are we organized enough here for us to get together and decide on *anything*? ;) <(Hugz)> Thanks. <I'm not even going to try.> Okies. Oh, and tell Pest that No, I�m not in his harem, okay?

Fire Storm : <You missed EVERYTHING! :) > Dahh. Wsell, I have a friend in MD who I believe still tapes every ep. I�ll try to borrow them from her...else catch it in re-runs.

Imzy : <SETI joke> *snickers*

SJ: Good luck on the LSATs.

Lynati: <90 hrs on some acetate paintings> eee. Bet the fumes were evil. <"save for web" function> It�s the school�s comps; it�s 6.0. and I found it...actually, I tried using it to save the scans I did of my hands, right before I went to bed that morning. It looked cool. I'll send you a copy. <900 k.> I�m pretty sure that one was only 90k....especially since the entire email was only 528k. (I sent it to myself before I sent it to anyone else.) <Prismacolor markers rule> I only use the pencils right now. <then I'll have 300+ > Spiffuncular! <hope your hands feel better> They do. They�re really dry though; I�ve been putting lotion on them every 5 minutes, it seems. < more work from ya> I�m working on it. ;) ...but the only stuff I am goimg to have soon is all my figure studies from open model class. I hope you don�t mind ugly naked people. They�ll be interesting glazed colors, at least.

Siryn: When are you going to post the list of us who registered back in LA?

Lynati Kshudra
Sunday, December 2, 2001 02:51:24 PM
IP: 205.185.0.127

DPH: <Wow! I am suprised about that math and had to check it against my computer>
Check out what happens when you square ANY in the series of: 1, 11, 111, 1111, ETC.
<Can you clarify your other bit of trivia: was the man [that the police were after] shouting pleas to come out and give himself up? That's the way it sounds from your punctuation.>
I assume so. I got it from a LONG list of trivia that someone posted on Sexy Losers. I need to bring a copy of it to work with me so I can post with some of it.

Greg Bishansky: 
Still, be cautious. You may see a book "Hey, that looks interesting" or "Hmm... that book is on sale..." It is a slippery trap. You don't see it until it is too late.
<*DUN* No master, not... the BOOK! *DUN*>
YES! That was one VERY f$ked up show, wasn't it? I LOVED it!

Gside: 
True, but he must know.

Imzadi: <Okay, now that is just stupid. If you're gonna go BSD, you might as well go Mac OS X. There's 10 times as much software for Mac OS X as there is for BSD by itself>
Hmm... OS X is a Unix base... I wonder how much of it could run on a PC running Unix...
<Ooh, antiques>
Funny. At least PC's are backwards compatible with nearly ALL the hardware ever made for the system, just incase.
<Why would we waste the time to train him when we could just send her to someone more knowledgeable?>
He must know. If he intends to rule anything, he must know the touch of a woman. It's frigging LAW!
<Yes, I often barricade myself in my apartment>
...and then escape and yell at yourself to give up.
<That's your first myth. Many businessness use macs>
I am just basing it on what I have actually seen. In all the places I have worked, and all the places I have been in, I have only seen 2 Macs. One was a bosses iMac, one is in the internet department here to test compatibility.
Of all the grpahics places I have been in, I have yet to see a Mac.
<But advertising firms, law firms, publish companies, manufacturing firms...plenty of macs in all those fields.>
Every single one of those places I have been into in this area use PCs.
<how many first person shooters do you really need?>
Not a lot, but games do drive a lot of peoples purchases. I know most of the products I use are available for the Mac and the ones that are not have comparable ones. But it is the few things that are NOT available for the Mac that help me choose PC's over Mac. The other part is the fact that I do NOT like to buy pre-built machines.
You know, this argument can go on forever. You are a Mac addict, I am a PC nut. We can't win either way.
I will never convince you to use PCs and you can't convince me to totally convert to Mac.

Spacebabie: <Your X-men Evolution Spoilers turned my ears pink�>
Yeah, I realize it was a bit over the top, but I just HAD to say it somewhere!

Ravyn: <Attention, everyone! Attention! I've got a big announcement for y'all ... I just successfully made chocolate chip cookies!!!>
Today cookies. Tomorrow: The world!
Congrats! From scratch or from the pre-made dough?
<so I'll get to see actual snow (maybe)>
I have ordered a overdose, so prepare!
(Although, knowing how the mail has been lately, it will either get lost or it will be late)
<Can't wait to really meet you guys!>
Same here!
Fire Storm
Sunday, December 2, 2001 01:54:58 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Attention, everyone! Attention! I've got a big announcement for y'all ... I just successfully made chocolate chip cookies!!! :)

This is a huge thing for an engineer who has never cooked anything more than microwave meals and mac 'n cheese in her life. ;) Just wanted to let you know ... **passes out cookies to all** :)

And yes, all ... I will be visiting Coyote over the winter break around New Year's, so I'll get to see actual snow (maybe), and we'll make sure to make a really sappy really real post in here together just for all of you. ;)

FS & LM> Can't wait to really meet you guys! :)

Patrick> <<Thanks for clearing that up. I know my first thought when I heard the report on the radio this morning was "oh no, Christi Smith Hayden's character died of cancer?!?" :P>> Don't make me come over there. ;)

Josh> <<You get to screw? Lucky...>> Hee hee ... :P My very last homework (it's done, yay!) was allll about screws. ;) <<The civil engineers will appreciate this dialoge with my mechanics of materials TA today:>> **L** That's pretty good engineering humor. ;)

Jan> <<You're going to go see Coyote??>> Yep! I'm pretty happy about that chance. ;) <<Give him a hug for me, ok?>> Sure will! ;) <> **huggles** :(

Off to finish up a project soon! :) See y'all around.
Ravyn
Sunday, December 2, 2001 12:58:12 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Ack..quick thing, does anybody have Lady Mystic's email address? She wrote me earlier about a question, and aol accidently deleted the letter. <:) I'd like to get back to her ASAP so if anyone has her email, or will let her know I accidently lost her first email, I would be very appreciative! Thankyou!
Siryn
Sunday, December 2, 2001 12:56:15 PM
IP: 24.93.24.2

Vash> (re badge quotes) To be honest at the moment I'm not sure. A group of people at G2001 and I were talking and I was asking them about ideas they thought might better improve the convention, what things they really liked, etc. One of the things that everyone really seemed to love was having personalized quotes.

Josh has brought up a good point about point size. (Of course, its the first time I heard that suggested as an improvement to the badges.) This will probably have to be a 'I'll have to wait and see' issue. I'm currently in the process of ordering the badges etc. So if I can accomedate for both I will. If I can't, then we won't have quotes. It was mainly just an option that people thought would be a cool 'personalization' of their badges. <:)

Josh> See above

Again, it's everyone's convention, not mine, I'm just running it. But the suggestion was made for it and a lot of people loved the idea at the time, so I stuck it in. Again, if it turns out to be a problem, I'll take it out.

Andddd....if anyone would like to register for Gathering 2002..*points to link* Go and register! ;D
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Sunday, December 2, 2001 12:20:04 PM
IP: 24.93.24.2

Ahhh Mom is in over decorating mode. That equals scary.
Well after she is done its off to the mall for some holiday shopping. I already have her presents. that leaves Dad, dummy, and a bunch of lil bits that I adore
(I like Spike's nickname for Dawn). Also this 27th will be my parents 30th anniversary. I do not know what 30 is though :(
Jan<<<*high fives* You've got that right! *L* >>> Hey I just know how to tame these boys.

Firestorm>>> Your X-men Evolution Spoilers turned my ears pink�

GXB>>>I hope you have fun with your new job.

HailerStar<<>>Me too, Some song lyrics that are true.

�Everyone knows the world is full of stupid people�~ The refreshments. �All I see are stupid people breeding�~Harvey danger. You need to borrow my dad�s shirt �I see stupid people�

Josh<<<We cleaned the apartment today. That was a massive undertaking, relatively speaking.>>> Lets see college boys�The apartment of college boys=toxic waste dump, yeah that would have been a major project<<<Note: that's different from a good roll in the sack.>>> and knowing Sorrow that�s what she would do. Roll you up in a sack like a burrito, then gag you, then take pictures of you. Then leave you there and laugh.<<<Well maybe just all the time while you're indoors.>>>but I like to strut around naked indoors.
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, December 2, 2001 10:44:45 AM
IP: 67.25.53.125

Ooops, me again.

Jan: I meant to say "I _can't_ entirely ignore the religion", not "I can" ;)

And the Sunday haze spreads... ;)
Niamhgold
Sunday, December 2, 2001 10:35:47 AM
IP: 206.41.204.140

** Niamhgold enters **

Did anyone see Mad TV last night? The skit with the presidents' wives was mildly...disturbing. Not to mention that they have auditions for the Vagina Monologues here. I guess everyone expected Evan and Colin to try out... ;)

It's Sunday, and I should be doing my homework that's due tomorrow. But, I just got done with scratchboarding _every_ fruit in the known universe, and I want a break. Next up: Mummified stock quotes and a cartoon illustrating the demon qualities of children. Oh, yeah, let's not forget the scholarly stuff--papers and exams and final projects ;)

Ah, who needs college?...Oh, right. Me ;)

Replies!:

Jan: <However, there are many beautiful stories with �happy endings�.> This is true. And I can entirely ignore the religion, simply because some of my favorite artists were commissioned to illustrate those scenes. I guess I'm just more interested in the stories' abilities to be depicted artistically than I am in them, in particular. But I've no problem with people who believe whole-heartedly in a specific religion :) <jail on really cold nights and then deal with young twits with an attitude> Maybe their punishment should be that they have all self-confidence medically removed ;) Then they won't have an attitude. <He has Nazi symbols, "white power" "N___'s must die!" as part of his tatoo> Oh, my. He should be dunked in acid.

Lynati: Wow, I understand the pain of your hands. I remember working about 90 hrs on some acetate paintings last year...ugh ;) <uhh...no. but I've been meaning to look into it> Depends what version of Photoshop you have. 5.5 and 6.0 have a "save for web" function under the save menu, and you get an image preview that compares an optimized saved file's appearance with the original. It'll tell you how long it would take to load over a standard connection and what the file size will be. Though I did notice that _some_ of the pics were small in size; others were like 900 k. <ah, prismas, how do I love thee> AMEN! Prismacolor markers rule...I need to get the grayscale color set and then I'll have 300+ :) Anyways, hope your hands feel better (soak, soak!) and can't wait to see more work from ya :)

Gside: <There are many yaoi dojins, and I have witnessed far too many> Ah, poor you :) <An item from Adventurers. It is based on Squall from FF8, and has responses like "All signs point to 'whatever'" and "All signs point to me not caring."> And the infamous "..." <At least there's a good amount of bestiality> Let's not forget about Egyptian myth... <The essential element of many fun things.> Anything that doesn't have the ability to explode isn't worth my time ;) <Extend the monitor and keyboard> Or get a laptop.

Daddy: <Where are they?> In my mailbox ;) <Except for that self nude, right> Well, there _is_ one more assignment...nah, I'll just stick to the Giant Comic Book. <I'm a pervert, not a porn star> Oh, well. Okay, so a little competition couldn't hurt the _victor_. Right. I'll ask a mathematician that, next time ;) <Okay so apparently we're all have conversations that we don't want others to know about...I'd never have guess that in THIS age group ;-)> Yeah, you know, cuz we're all 19/20/21 and should be mature by now ;) <"Italian Culture" is defined as anal sex> Hmmm, interesting. What about Irish? <And on the 7th day, he dusted> How'd you fend off the sentient dust bunnies? <That was a massive undertaking, relatively speaking> Yeah, we did the same thing and there's _still_ no evidence that we touched the place, except for my room <Now I can't sell my brother> LOL. Try a different country. Then, of course, there's the black market. And the Magic Eight Squall says "..." :P <they'll throw money at you> And he doesn't even need a pet monkey. <...but ever since it did, its been my drug of choice> Ooh, probably not good ;) I threw my painkillers away after the first two days of taking them, because they made me so crazy. Though I did get a lot of art done that week... ;) <but consider the possibility that they ACTUALLY don't enjoy either> :: Once again reminded of the disturbing Mad TV skit last night... ::

SJ: Congrats on finishing the test. You'll do great ;)

Fleur: <That could work! I've already mastered the 'I'm a pathetic invalid, feed me chocolate' look> Darn :: looks at empty box :: I already ate it all :( But I'll see what I can do about shipping you Brad Pitt or some other hunk ;) Of course, he may be slightly used... ;)

Shadowrider: Check your mailbox! :)

Adios, all!
Niamhgold
Sunday, December 2, 2001 10:34:03 AM
IP: 206.41.204.140

Halierstar and Imzadi --

There are big problems about having the idiots wear badges...

1) The largest reason is that we are outnumbered. If you were to tally up the number of complete idiots out there the number would be staggering... I think what you would find is fewer than one person in five would not be wearing a badge.

2) You would have to get them to wear the badges... I guess you could claim that they are really chic and have some basketball and movie star wear them. That would get a lot of them... You could also claim that they have some security benefit. That would get some more. But you will still miss those who cant pin the badge on themselves -- and think of all the eyes that will be poked out...

silvadel
Sunday, December 2, 2001 10:10:41 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

BISHANSKY - Actually, it's a library rather than a bookstore that I applied to, but thanks. I haven't heard any confirmation back from them, but currently the prospects still seem hopeful.

I've gotten as far in my reading LotR as "The Bridge of Khazad-dum." The Moria scenes have always been one of my favorite parts of the book; Moria was a fascinating place, and an effectively spooky one. The gradual lead-in to the Balrog and its forces was particularly well-done, in my opinion, with some effective ominous foreshadowings (mentions of how the Dwarves had to leave Moria by disturbing something horrible, the hammer noises that follow Pippin's dropping a stone in the well, and the "drums in the deep").

I certainly seem to be making good time on the reading; the movie's still 18 days away, and I've already read most of "The Fellowship of the Ring". I'll probably have completed it by the premiere date. Whether I'll have finished reading the entire book, though, I don't know as yet, and won't even try to guess.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 2, 2001 07:01:58 AM
IP: 63.183.39.222

And on the 7th day, he dusted.

We cleaned the apartment today. That was a massive undertaking, relatively speaking.

Ooh and I finished my new star wars book. I really like those stories.

Christine: <<everything on it's expensive>>: Same with my wish list. I just ask for $$ and then put it all together and buy ONE thing on my wish list ;-) <<my very first Mary Sue fic>>: I have to ask...was it "smut"? <<all I know or care about WTO was that my workplace was inside the curfew zone>>: Sounds like my view on protests: "I don't care what they're problem is...do they have to get in my way of going to class?"

Archwolf: <<how's that for a combination of majors>>: Weird.

Spacebabie: <<If this was a real emergency would you provide instructions following that annoying sound via a WAV>>: No, he'd just post a lot more. <<Unless it was Sorrow. Then youd be in her lap and slobbering like a puppy>>: I do not slobber. I drool. And even if she were interested, I still wish to remain single. Note: that's different from a good roll in the sack. <<do a buttload of studying for my one final and then I�m done>>: I don't count my 5 engineering finals as "assignments", but I suppose I should count them in my remaining workload. <<In this heat? No way>>: Well maybe just all the time while you're indoors. <<to pierce my naval>>: Navel. Naval is quite different. <<One of them managed bewitching you into being their love slave>>: I don't think he minds being bewitched.

Jan: <<and carved swatzika (sp?) into her breasts>>: That's sick. <<one conviction of attempting to sell her baby>>: That's illegal!? !@#$! Now I can't sell my brother. Always trying to spoil my fun, those law enforcement types. <<points and laughs at Josh>>: He'll have a devil of a time trying to carve swastikas into MY breasts ;-) <<You've got that right!>>: Bah. You two are just jealous. << wish I was going to Belgium>>: I wish I was going to LA. No, I don't have a girl there...yet.

Sevarius Jr: <<how screwed would the defendant be to have ME as the assistant d.a.>>: Good luck trying to prosecute yourself ;-) <<I'll cut you guys a break and give you a free ride on the drug charge of your choice>>: I don't do drugs. How about you cut me a break on the first aggravated assault charge? <<Anyway, the test itself wasn't too bad>>: Good to hear. <<HOPEFULLY I got a good score. I'm sure I got at least a decent one>>: Hey if you do as well as my cousin, they'll throw money at you. <<one major educational program just completed, and I'm heading into the next>>: Yeah, me too probably.

Fire Storm: <<BSD Linux, here I come>>: Okay, now that is just stupid. If you're gonna go BSD, you might as well go Mac OS X. There's 10 times as much software for Mac OS X as there is for BSD by itself. <<All my systems have parallel ports>>: Ooh, antiques ;-) <<He must be trained>>: Why would we waste the time to train him when we could just send her to someone more knowledgeable? <<You would be surprised>>: Probably not. <<So it WAS you>>: Yes, I often barricade myself in my apartment. <<It is actually used inthe business world>>: That's your first myth. Many businessness use macs. Granted, most of them are not tech firms, unless they produce something mac compatible. But advertising firms, law firms, publish companies, manufacturing firms...plenty of macs in all those fields. <<there is software readily available>>: I said this already to shadowrider: how many first person shooters do you really need? With the exception of custom software for a particular company, everything for windows has a counterpart either made by the same company or by another comapny at a lower price. <<if there is no software for them, they suck>>: Right, cuz its so much better to have 45,000 software title that don't work rather than 25,000 that do.

Fleur: <<now a couple of millimetres shorter>>: ACK! Talk a bout serious collateral damage. <<I've already mastered the 'I'm a pathetic invalid, feed me chocolate' look>>: Don't try your puppy dog eyes on me, young lady. <<do you see why I just can't win when I explain this>>: I haven't made a dirty joke yet. <<It's a little square sponge cake with jam inside, and dipped in chocolate icing and coconut>>: Sounds tasty, actually. <<Unless vicodin is a pain-killer, I'm going to have to disagree>>: Vicodin IS a pain killer. A pretty darn powerful one, I might add. Its not easy to make a kid not notice that his wisdom teeth have been pulled out...but ever since it did, its been my drug of choice. <>: HERETIC! BURN HER! SHE'S MADE OF WOOD!

DPH: <<Heck, if you could take the ACT over 4 different days, test scores would rise>>: Yes, but you could also cheat. Personally, I think the tests should start at 5 in the evening instead of 8AM, or at least noon. <<Just remember, to get ahead shipping costs have to be less money than you saved>>: Thanks. I can integrate functions in my sleep, apply new and amazing matricies...but I hadn't figured out subtraction yet. <<Immortality ain't all it is cracked up to be: just think about Demona and MacBeth>>: Yeah, but don't forget that Demona is a psychopath. I'd do just fine with Immortality.

Greg X: <<Fuzzy Wuzzy's Funny Animal Pop-Up Book. With it, I shall destroy the universe>>: Better to use "The Dilbert Principle". <<About $5 for a package>>: Well that would depend on the package. <<We'll see what we can arrange>>: mmmm... <<Liv Tyler and Cate Blanchett while not bad looking don't do much for me>>: Good so I'm not the only one. <<I'll be able to do a lot of reading while I'm there>>: Not many jobs let you read on the job...enjoy it while it lasts. <<New York City around Dec 29th>>: Not this year, my friend. I need to save up for other travelling...like the REAL gathering in June that I'll see you all at. But maybe next winter. <<an attempt to see the RHPS will be made, provided it is playing this close to New Years>>: Every Saturday at the Waverly, right? <<we'll be doing some general wandering around and scaring the locals>>: All of you dressed in black walking the streets of Manhattan is something I want pictures of!

Vashdoka: <>: That was me.

Siryn: <<quotes on badges>>: Just out of curiosity, who's idea was this? I thought the names themselves were hard to read...these are gonna be flippin' impossible.

Gside: <<Traveling scars, and various other inconsistancies>>: I have travelling scars...they go wherever I do. <<Do they admit to getting themselves off?>>: Some women actually don't masturbate. Scary, I know. Most of the women I know who deny enjoying gay porn also deny enjoying masturbation...but consider the possibility that they ACTUALLY don't enjoy either. <<The in drag could have been modifying you, not Janet Reno>>: Either way, they weren't needed ;-) <<The essential element of many fun things>>: That, and lube ;-) <>: To quote Mr. T: "I pity the foo." <<Then those of us with diry minds would have postulated what you were doing under your frinds>>: I think she was trying very hard to avoid having dirty jokes made. But we all know what she was doing under her friends...chika bow bow... <<Extend the monitor and keyboard.>>: Granny-eyes resolution and wireless keyboard!

HailerStar: <<shouldn't they all be made to wear signs or tags or something?>>: You know something? I've been saying the same thing for years.

Sleeeep.

Sometimes, I picture a world of peace and happiness, where strife is unknown and guile is unneeded. And then I think how easy it'd be to attack 'em, cause they'd never see it coming..." -Anonymous
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, December 2, 2001 04:10:30 AM
IP: 64.161.26.134

Just a lil vent session: I HATE STUPID PEOPLE!!!!!!! And the world is full of them...shouldn't they all be made to wear signs or tags or something? That way you could segregate them and know who to stay away from. And the most irksome of all: stupid children grow up to become...yes you got it ladies and gents: stupid adults! How much lower can the world go????

PS. Hugs to Archwolf
HailerStar
Sunday, December 2, 2001 03:13:24 AM
IP: 207.42.162.162

Imzadi> <<No, it wasn't finished>>: Now I got that one first. Or at leat posted first.
<<Please tell me you had something more concrete than "she doesn't like gay porn">>: Traveling scars, and various other inconsistancies.
<>: Or won't admit to it. Do they admit to getting themselves off?
<<There wasn't one cute chick in the movie>>: But at least there are shapeshifters, so it could not look bad.
<<That sentence did not need the last two words>>: The in drag could have been modifying you, not Janet Reno.
<<Bottomless pit? Where can I get one of those?>>: Just takes some calculating of gravity wells from stars. Granted, it's not a pit, but it's close enough.
<<Go BOOM>>: The essential element of many fun things.

Fire Storm> <<He must be trained>>: I fear for those who would train him.

Fleur> <>: Not a chance.
<<remember how I was saying a while ago that hanging around my friends would either improve my coordination or kill me?>>: Nope. But then I never trust my memory.
<<There was a mattress, and me and one of my friends were under the mattress while the other two were on top, mushing us, and I was sitting the wrong way>>: You could have just said you were crushed by your friends. Then those of us with diry minds would have postulated what you were doing under your frinds.
<<I'm going to have to work out a way to use this computer from my bed>>: Extend the monitor and keyboard.

DPH> <<Immortality ain't all it is cracked up to be: just think about Demona and MacBeth>>: But this isn't forced immortality. Completely optional, and renews every 40 years or so (don't want to start a new body too soon, don't want to stay too long in an old one).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, December 2, 2001 01:52:53 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Greg B.> Aw man, the first NYC mini-Gathering I've heard of since I've moved and I won't even be there! I guess that's what I get for going home on the holidays.

Siryn> I remember people complaining that the size of the font on previous con badges was too small for people to read, and now I see that you'll be allowing people to put quotes up to 50 characters long on their badges? How are you going to fit that???
Vashkoda
Sunday, December 2, 2001 01:02:29 AM
IP: 129.98.122.194

14th -- Didnt quite make #1 this time...

Man did that week go fast....
silvadel
Saturday, December 1, 2001 11:49:27 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Sorry for the double post

A few of us are getting together in New York City around Dec 29th, so far it's Aaron, Mara, Lynati, Revel, Emambu, myself and perhaps a couple of other people. If anyone is going to be in the NY area around then and wants to take part in this 'mini-gathering' by all means, feel free to. nothing big is planned, but an attempt to see the RHPS will be made, provided it is playing this close to New Years.

And of course we'll be doing some general wandering around and scaring the locals ;)
Greg Bishansky - [Madoc55@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 1, 2001 11:31:22 PM
IP: 216.179.3.77

13!!! My lucky number

Well, today was my orientation at work. Went quite well, tomorrow is my first full day.

TODD> <<Congratulations on your new job, Bishansky!>> Thanks. Did you hear back from the bookstore you interviewed at? Oh, please keep the "Lord of the Rings" comments coming.

DANIEL JOHNSON> <> Agreed.

FS> <<Congrats! Sounds like a decent place to work! Just don't spend your paycheck there... I have made that mistake MANY times!>> I don't plan to, I have expenses to pay for, including car insurance for a car I can't drive yet. <> *DUN* No master, not... the BOOK! *DUN* Yes, the book! *DUuuuuun* ::kicks annoying guitar player:: Fuzzy Wuzzy's Funny Animal Pop-Up Book. With it, I shall destroy the universe.

JOSH> <<>>: Hmm...I wonder what shipping from you to me will cost...trying to figure out how to take advantage of that.>> About $5 for a package. <> We'll see what we can arrange.

CHRISTINE> <<I'd guessed they wouldn't actually go so far as to send her on the quest, but even so ... I liked Glorfindel!>> Yep, he got the shaft in the Bakshi cartoon for Legolas. Glorfindel just has a bad agent. Though I hated Bakshi's cartoon, so maybe he was better off there. <<LOL, all this LOTR stuff brings back memories of my very first Mary Sue fic, written when I was thirteen or so ... had a bit of a crush on Legolas ; )>> Heh, heh. Too bad Tolkien didn't give us that many female character for male fans like me to enjoy (Liv Tyler and Cate Blanchett while not bad looking don't do much for me)... though the one thing I'll give Bakshi credit for was making Galadriel look like a porn star ;) <<Hope to have it posted tomorrow.>> Looking forward to it.

JAN> <<congrats on your new job! It sounds like a fun place to work>> Yeah it is. I'll be able to do a lot of reading while I'm there.

DPH> <<It's sad, we haven't taken the Christmas tree down in my house since winter of '94>> We once went six months without moving the Halloween Jack O Lantern. Not a pretty sight.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, December 1, 2001 11:06:57 PM
IP: 216.179.3.77

Hmm. Unexpected early room wipe.

SJ - congrats.

Note: don't eat cornbread with haberno peppers in it, drink some milk, and go out for a walk for more than 10 minutes. You'll end up with a severly upset stomach.

I'd argue that standardized tests that require people to get up early in the morning discriminate against Night Owls. Heck, if you could take the ACT over 4 different days, test scores would rise.

Jan - is it easier for you to deal with inmates or relatives you don't like it?

It's sad, we haven't taken the Christmas tree down in my house since winter of '94 (my mom died in January '95.)

Imzadi - Just remember, to get ahead shipping costs have to be less money than you saved. That's why I really didn't care that much how you shipped Visual Studio to me because it would have cost $1000: I saved $600.

Gside - <After we figure that out, all we need is mind transfers and we're set for a pretty good approximation of immortality.> Immortality ain't all it is cracked up to be: just think about Demona and MacBeth.

Partick - good joke

Fire Storm - Wow! I am suprised about that math and had to check it against my computer. Can you clarify your other bit of trivia: was the man [that the police were after] shouting pleas to come out and give himself up? That's the way it sounds from your punctuation.

DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 1, 2001 09:30:32 PM
IP: 204.94.193.63

Still need to catch up.. I'm at the mercy of my spine at the moment, and it objects to sitting for too long. Lying down, it can handle, oddly enough, it even likes walking around. But sitting down makes it crack the proverbials big time.
I think our family has somehow offended somebody who has a direct link to some sort of satanic power - we've had shocking luck this past year, and November was the worst. My sister was in a car accident, my dad discovered he's got not one, but TWO hernias, my best buddy got robbed, I'm now a couple of millimetres shorter because one of my vertebrae got mushed, my brother quit his job,.... I EXPECT SOME SERIOUS GOOD STUFF FROM LADY LUCK SOON TO MAKE UP FOR ALL THIS, DAMMIT!!!!

Niamhgold> >Oh, my, how awful :( Here's my wishes for a speedy and uneventful recovery! :: hugs :: Think ice cream and body builders ;)< *l* That could work! I've already mastered the 'I'm a pathetic invalid, feed me chocolate' look. :)

Aaron> >first off, I'd like to apologize for being a jerk lately.< You've been a jerk? Don't bother apologising to me, I haven't noticed. ;) >My holiday season is sort of biting< Oo, sorry to hear that. Hope it improves. >Silly, silly girl. Extra cash you don't have to pay back is *always* good, whether you really need it or not.< True, I was just afraid of the telephone-book sized set of forms I had to fill in to get it. A great big uni bill was a suitable incentive. :) >Cool! I might sign up as a proofer, if I can find the time.< Time is the big problem. I'll have to find a way around it. >PBS Video might have them, if they're still in business.< Don't think they're in Australia. I'll try the ABC shop, since that's the network that runs the shows. >Ow. Get better. I'd offer hugs, but that might hurt. (Sends good vibes, instead)< I've been getting lots of soft hugs lately. :) The fracture's right in the middle of my back, so if I don't get a soft hug, people just sort of hug my shoulders. Not that I'm complaining, mind you, not since the morphine patch wore off. :D

Ravyn> > Ouch!! Hope you get better and all healed up soon! :)< me too, oh, me too. :) And thanks.

Daphne> I've been meaning to say this: Congrats on the book!!

Congrats on the new job, Greg!

DPH> >I understand back pain. I just hope you can find a comfortable position to rest< I have three normal pillows, a boomerang pillow, and two cushions on my bed at the moment, and I'm constantly moving them around according to the Spine's Demands. I'm getting a better understanding of your back-troubles too. I've always sympathised, but now I _really_ understand.

SOROW> >I am so sorry to hear about your condition. I hope your pain eases and you're in our thoughts. Happy Belated Birthday :)< Thanks! It's been a weird birthday, actually, since, due to the circumstances, most of the regular birthday-type stuff hasn't happened, so the usual 'hey, I'm a year older' thought hasn't hit me yet. Which may be a good thing - Feeling older sucks. ;)

Gside> >Heal well. And how did that happen?< oh, I was really hoping nobody would ask that question, because there's no explanation that doesn't sound a bit... weird. Ummm, remember how I was saying a while ago that hanging around my friends would either improve my coordination or kill me? Well, it went a step closer to killing me. :) We were mucking around, having a cross between a pillow fight and 'stacks on', being very childish, and eh, accidents happen. There was a mattress, and me and one of my friends were under the mattress while the other two were on top, mushing us, and I was sitting the wrong way... and do you see why I just can't win when I explain this? :)

Josh> >What the !@#$ is a lamington? Is that one of your silly aussie animals?< It's a little square sponge cake with jam inside, and dipped in chocolate icing and coconut. And the vertebrae really _did_ look surprisingly like a sat-on lamington - all squished on one side. >Not better than either sex or vicodin or chocolate.< Unless vicodin is a pain-killer, I'm going to have to disagree. Sex and even chocolate (and I feel like a heretic for even suggesting this) are no good when you're literally twitching in pain, and all the muscles between your ribs and your navel have gone rigid, making breathing an interesting experience in the manner that chinese curse was talking about. :)

Archwolf> >Thank you for the feedback on the fic. I was, to an extent, trying to actually foster a disoriented feeling for the reader. It rather goes with the WOD.< Ah, I understand. Very clever, I'm impressed. I'd have NEVER thought of that sort of thing in my first fic. Can't wait till the next one. :) (This is the unspoken of down-side to writing good fic - you get nagged for the next lot. Or so I've been told. ;))

Spacebabie> > Happy belated Birthday and I wish you a speedy recovery.< Thanks!

Jan > His rap sheet was very long - I think he's been in trouble since he was old enough to fart. Her rap sheet showed about 7 drug convictions and one conviction of attempting to sell her baby. Lovely gal. < Oh man, what a _charming_ couple. > Ohmy!! *very gentle hug* I hope that you heal soon!< thanks. I've already impressed the doctors with my recovery (I got let out of hospital a day and a half early), so that's a good sign. :) >How did this happen?< *cringe* Uh, could you see Gside's reply for that one?

SJ> >HOPEFULLY I got a good score. I'm sure I got at least a decent one.< Hey, congrats!

Allright, I REALLY have to go lie down now. I'm going to have to work out a way to use this computer from my bed.

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 1, 2001 09:13:40 PM
IP: 203.25.148.63

10th!!!
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Williams Lake, BC, Canada
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:58:13 PM
IP: 64.114.74.12

TOP 10, #9?
DPH
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:56:08 PM
IP: 204.94.193.49

Number eight?
Triglycerine
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:54:25 PM
IP: 205.213.142.180

Lucky seven, again?

---Emambu
Emambu
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:52:03 PM
IP: 130.49.77.77

TOP TEN! ;)

Belated Happy Thanksgiving!
Lady Mystic
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:39:25 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

I claim...
V
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:39:07 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

We claim FOURTH! :)
Coyote and Ravyn
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:18:08 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Third!
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:14:14 PM
IP: 64.161.25.87

Second!

New rule at my work.
In addition to no eating, no phone and no internet, there is no reading allowed.
That's right. 10 hour shift. 30 minutes of work. Nothing to do.
This REALLY sucks.

***X-Men Evolution***

Heh heh heh... Lance is gonna get him some Kitty pussy!

***End X-Men Evolution***

Oh yeah. And Windows pissed me off too. Toasted my registry when I tried to burn a CD. No idea why.
Well, BSD Linux, here I come!

Gside: <Sorry. Bow chicka bow>
I was thinking more of "THE BOOK!" From Earthworm Jim the show.

Imzadi: <How about THIS exchange>
I swear it wasn't like that! I had already processed what I needed to know, and, well, I hate to waste CPU cycles!
<So? If you had skillz, you could do it anyway>
I have the skillz, just not the need nor the desire. All my systems have parallel ports. Maybe one day.
<Ah, very well. I think I can accept that responsibility>
This is not a responsibility. This is challenge to determine if ye are worthy to rule the world. You will have many tests. This is one of them.
<Ah, a republican in the making>
Just a realist. We can't pussy foot around and claim that physcos like the Joker have a right to live after killing as many people as he did.
Needless to say, I am in favor of the death penalty.
<You're assuming that Wilek would know what to DO with one>
He must be trained.
<That was the nice thing about working for Game Keeper...who on EARTH would want to spend their paycheck on pokemon cards?>
You would be surprised.
<Right next to Berkeley, I might add>
So it WAS you!
<Dude!? You should NEVER have to reinstall your OS just to get some driver working! What kind of a silly system do you use?>
Windows sucks, I will admit that, but it does have an advantage.
It is actually used in the business world AND there is software readily available for it. Linux, Unix and Mac MAY be more stable, etc, but if there is no software for them, they suck.
Fire Storm
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:14:04 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

1st?
Zath
Saturday, December 1, 2001 08:12:03 PM
IP: 128.125.228.89