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Lain> That rat isan explosion waiting to happen with your roommate :D
metaldemon
Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:34:16 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Josh> Do you consider yourself to be a messy person?
SOROW
Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:18:49 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

**staggers in**

Yes, it's taken me *this* long to recover enough to post. :)

Anyway, let's see ... Ravyn certainly enjoyed herself while she was up here, that you've probably gathered. One of the more enjoyable aspects of the week was that it snowed for most of it, so she *did* get to see an authentic Michigan winter. Or at least an early one. While she was here we went to see "Lord of the Rings" together, checked out the Henry Ford Museum (where she got to drool over the cars and we went shopping for a Dymaxion House ;), watched the IMAX edition of "Beauty and the Beast," among other things. And more than anything we loved each other's company, and loved bein' so close to each other when we're so far apart the rest of the year. It was fun. Especially seeing how Ravyn reacted to many things that I see on a yearly basis in wintertime ... like ice fishermen on the St. Clair River. ;)

Ravyn: **huggles tightly** Hiyas. :)
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:00:00 PM
IP: 216.234.98.212

Buffy bits...

Yeh, I like the new season too. I don't think the Frodo comment was an attempt to 'cash in'. It was a throw away line, basically the tall guy needling Jonathan about being short. Frodo is a hobbit, a little guy, and so is Jonathan. Just another media reference like the many that Joss Whedon and crew like to throw in about Spiderman, Bond, Star Wars, etc. showing these are basically Fan Boys.

Ruthlessness, I think Jonathan and Winged Monkey boy (I can never remember his name!) are playing at being villians, with the intention of not really hurting anyone. But Robot guy (I forget his name too. sigh) doesn't have the same sense of morals/conscience the other two have. He is all for killing Buffy and he doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he gets his way.

Looks like Willow may not be the big bad. That is a bit of a disappointment. She'd have been perfect. What greater evil for Buffy to fight than her one time best friend?

Aside from the big bad, Buffy has been really great in developing the character of Buffy. All of a sudden she's hit with being an adult on her own, paying bills, looking after a child, an unhealthy love life (course I *LIKE* her and Spike as an item) and all this while dealing with the Slayer responsibilities and having just come back from the dead.

I think this season is great. Would have liked to see Willow be the big bad, but can live with the three Fan Boys.
Looking forward to Xander's wedding *^_^*

Mooncat

Mooncat
Saturday, January 12, 2002 09:48:50 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

*BUFFY SPOILERS *

I'll confess that I'm still rather enjoying the series. Yes, I agree that the Nerds aren't "big bad" material, and work better as "nuisance antagonists". But I thought that Buffy's behavior while invisible (especially when she was driving the social worker up the wall) was extremely funny. (It reminds me a bit of a piece in Tolkien's early drafts for LotR that he wound up discarding; in it, Frodo uses the Ring to pay a little call on Farmer Maggot to get back at him for the time that Maggot caught him mushroom-poaching, doing things such as yelling threats at him while invisible, shoving him out of his chair, and picking up his hat and waving it about. Come to think of it, one of the Nerds got nicknamed "Frodo" in it; an attempt to cash in on the LOTR excitement, perhaps?)

The element that really makes me wonder about the Nerds is this: they want to be super-villains, but they draw the line at killing Buffy. Has it ever occurred to them that if they don't want to kill people, they shouldn't be super-villains? After all, one of the key rules of being a super-villain is that you ruthlessly wipe out everyone in your path. Especially since, realistically, taking over Sunnydale as a super-villain would mean visiting misery and woe upon its entire population. The Master, the Mayor, and Glory would certainly be shaking their heads in disgust if they could see what the "new guys in town" are up to.

I'm rather liking the handling of Willow's having to go clean and sober; something tells me, though, that in light of her present condition the Scooby Gang is going to need a different place for their meetings than the Magic Box. Either that, or have Willow sit out their meetings.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, January 12, 2002 09:04:17 PM
IP: 63.183.39.199

sj>> <<Latest Star Wars episode 2 news: Due to the negative backlash by fans at the news that NSYNC would be in the movie George Lucas has apparently edited their cameo out entirely. Yes, bitching and moaning can make a difference!>>
well.. lets hope negative backlash will help avert other really stupid things in the movie industry.. such as the changing of a certain movie due out next year which (by no fault of its own) has a *gasp* references to towers that occur in pairs...

in other news.. i have a rat in my shirt.. his whiskers are in my armpit.. he is causing me to have difficulty typing... gaaaaaagagagagaggahghlSJhg'odfj...
no really, hes sooooo cute :D

josh>> "ishy" is short for "mishy" which is short for "mission: impossible" which is the rats name.. because it will be virtually impossible to keep him secret from my roommate...

Lady Mystic>> *hug-snuggles* to you.. i hope you feel better soon.. *more hugs*

Ghost of Reverend Attila>> good thing you are a ghost.. or ishy might actually feel threatened ;)

todd jensen>> ooooh yeah.. they had the easter stuff out at the store today... really GROSS tacky easter stuff, too.. whats up with THAT?!

anyway.. makin a gargs music video.. and writing some on my fics.. yay me. see you all later.

*leaves more hugs for lady mystic*
love,

lain "and of course fire.. pretty.." iwakura
the Great White North
Saturday, January 12, 2002 08:43:56 PM
IP: 64.228.197.184

Ghost of Rev. Attila --

*purrss and head rubs* I think your icon looks spiff *^_^* I don't mind sharing Sekhmet, but since you are a boy kitty (you are a boy kitty?) the were cat suits you well.

I think the room needs more feline icons all around. All them gargoyles and only a few of us cats. At the very least there should be one of Cagney. There isn't, is there?

Must go get supper...
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, January 12, 2002 07:19:39 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Look, I can't spell correctly in my POSTS. Like I could actually spell the URL correctly!
FS and LM again
Saturday, January 12, 2002 07:16:05 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

*Fire Storm and Lady Mystic enter the CR, LM in a wheelchair, FS pushing her in.*
She isn't hurt THAT bad...
I just like taking care of her! :)

Here's what happened:
The door going upstairs in our house was open into the hallway. LM thought "You know... I should close that before someone get's hurt."
Soon after, she kicked the door, which swung the door open, pulling her foot under it.
At first, none of us thought it was TOO bad (You know... just a stubbed toe! How bad could it be? Sure, LM was in pain, but that was about all.)
Two days later, it didn't look any better. It even started to look worse. So, as soon as I came home from work, I took her to the ER. The doctor first thought it was infected, and looked like it was broken. After all the tests, it was NOT broken, just a "Severe Contusion," infection, and badly bruised.

Damage: Sprained ankle, VERY stubbed toe, nice bruise on the area around her toe, she's gonna loose that toenail, infected, and I get to take care of her.
Ok... so that last one isn't exactly BAD... I like it! :)

Well, I am gonna go do the mushy stuff like take care of her and make sure she is comfy.

Gside: <Joy. So whose turn is it next? Puppy Girl?>
Hopefully not. She has been there too many times in the past few years. Given my (FS) hobbies, I am probably gonna go to the ER at least 3 more times before LM or PG have to go again.
(LM) Thanks for remembering my sister! :)
Fire Storm and Lady Mystic (As told by the Fire Storm, who is being played by Fire Storm)
Saturday, January 12, 2002 07:13:45 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Sobotka: I know Zahn's books are very good, but the guy has an ego the size of a moon. He didn't like Dark Empire and Tom Veitch so he tried to retcon the whole thing by saying that the Emperor didn't return and that it was just his clone which killed the point of the story. He also considers his and Stackpole's work the only EU. And a combination of those factors have caused him to be quite unpopular.
T-Man
Saturday, January 12, 2002 06:28:26 PM
IP: 64.24.13.218

Atillah> *kneels down and "pets" ghost-kitty* Oh, what a cutie-pie you are. Such a great deal of common sence for a cat; I'm, impressed. Just work on your love for capitalsm and you'll be even smarter. 8P

Revel> You might be pleased to know that a Harley store is being built right outside of Corinth, which is five minutes away from UNT. Just thought you might like to know since you mentioned how much you like Harlies.
metaldemon
Saturday, January 12, 2002 06:03:20 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

T-MAN - Excuse me for commenting, but your comment about Zahn's ability to take over and helm the Star Wars universe is (in my opnion) somewhat unfounded... yes, Zahn did create the Ysmilari(?) - creatures that push out the force so they can be undetected by creatures that use the Force to hunt them. But to say that those were the precursor to the midichlorians were a Lucas Creation, not Zahn's.

Zahns books have been very well received by all sorts of Star Wars fans. His trilogy "Heir to The Empire" and the double novel "Specters of the Past/Visions of The Future" as as close to the original flavor of the first SW movies than of any other writer out there; past or present.

I've even met the man himself at a couple of conventions, and spoken with him on a few panels. The general cocensus is that if Lucas ever needed someone to take over for him in Star Wars, that Zahn is the top pick, bar none.

I'd recommend that you check out those books that Zahn wrote... you'd change your mind about him I'm certain.

Maintain and Check six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Saturday, January 12, 2002 04:17:42 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

Attila; Are you joking? Zahn should NOT take over the star wars franchise. He tried to retcon the whole Dark Empire comic book and he invented those damned force slugs which were the preclude to the midichlorians.
T-man
Saturday, January 12, 2002 03:13:09 PM
IP: 64.24.13.221

Meow!! Meow!! The ghost of a feline is back.

Mooncat> Do you prefer this form?

Doug Elder> Well, I'm afraid they're still in Purgatory, but don't worry, Purgatory has better magazines than the ones at the doctor's office. I will be in Purgatory for quite a while. Then again, I could be in Cat Hell with Socks, so I'm not complaining.

Maybe Zahn should take over Star Wars instead.

Imzadi> I am greater than Catbert. I was Attila, Master of the Green Baron, Trainer of the Catholic School Girl Scouts, Minister of the Universal Life Church, Head of the Felinsky faction of the Russian Mafia, nemesis of Hillary Clinton, Secret Leader of the Capitalist Jedi Council, restorer of the Romanov and Hapsburg dynasties, as well as head of the Wiseguy Family, up until my untimely death. All thsi occured before you arrived, so I understand your curiosity.

<<We'd fight over women.>> You can always use the cuddly cat routine to pick up women. I am neutered so they just caress and pet me.

Shadowrider> The time will come. Now I must torment Keynes in Purgatory, until he becomes a supply sider :)

Fench Comments> HISS!!! They are alreayd fouling up the room with that nasty smell of not bathing.

Lain> Ishy? Sounds delicious.

Metaldemon> <<So I guess none of us can be accepted to any church.>> All faul short of the Glory of God. Remember:

Lord, I am not Worthy to Receive you, but say the word and I shall be healed.

And of course mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Imzadi <<You're even worse, ya freeloading bum!>> Why drive and add to the damn traffic when you can use public transportation and save a lot of money?

Now, I take my leave as I decide to haunt Mara now that she can't punt me across the room anymore.
Ghost of Reverend Attila
Saturday, January 12, 2002 01:42:09 PM
IP: 140.156.6.2

Imzadi -- Actually, Disney owns them because they portray their characters without you licensing them... =)
silvadel
Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:35:14 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Anyone here play a semi-old advanced d&d game called Planescape: Torment? It turns out Keith davids does the voice of "vhailor" (playable character!).
hmm.. pretty cool.
NukesGoBoom
Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:29:44 AM
IP: 12.243.67.212

Well, today's the day. Tim gets installed as Master of his lodge. I find that I still have mixed feelings about all this. I'm proud of him for how involved he's been, how much work he's putting into getitng things ready for today, and how tolerant he's been about me ducking out of all the duties that are expected of me as the Master's wife. Which is of course the other side of the coin ... I've concluded that I just have an automatic bad reaction to any group with blanket exclusionary policies based on things like gender, ethnicity, orientation, etc. Those groups are well within their rights and all (even if I may feel that it's sadly narrow-minded), but when they turn around and expect the excluded ones to cater the freeping affair, it really sets my teeth on edge.

Book news > concerning sequels and RAP, it's been decided that a minimum time of six months will take place between books in a series. So the earliest we'd see ElfLore II is February, though as I still haven't seen the edits, I don't know how on-schedule it will be. But it also means that it might be possible to see ElfLore III before the end of 2002, once I get the thing written (will start after President's Day; until then I have a few other things to finish).

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:23:24 AM
IP: 64.24.187.63

Sorry I didn't post yesterday, I was very busy with stuff.

I got in really late yesterday (like around 2 or 3) and worked until closing. Then we all went home to get some food and R&R before a party we had tickets to. When we left for the party, we wound up driving around !@#$ing San Francisco for 90 minutes trying to find the place. Then we finally gave up and went home. Niamh didn't go with us because she wasn't feeling well, and she was really glad when we came home so early that she hadn't dragged herself to the car.

I swear, Jerry Falwell has no idea what is wrong with this city. Gays are SO not the problem. The problem is city planners. Those idiots made this city more convoluted than an escher painting on acid.

Today was the last day, a day where we run amuck and try to find deals on everything under the sun. Niamh is still feeling under the weather. I got some cool stuff. Like a grill that goes over my speaker on my tower that will prevent people from sticking their stupid fingers in the speaker, thereby permanently screwing it up.

I also scored a copy of Omniweb, my favorite browser, for only $20 (instead of the regular $30). This browser blows IE out of the water, and I support the company, so its well worth the price. I also bought a copy of Myst III for $35 (instead of $50). And I cut a deal with the guy at firewire depot, offering him $80 for a $110 firewire external enclosure to hold the burner that I'm about to rip out of my tower. See, I didn't shell out when I bought the tower for the combo drive, so I can't read DVD's. I'm getting a free DVD-ROM drive (from an older G4 tower) from my friend, and since Apple is buggy about external DVD-ROM drives, I'm gonna put that in my tower and put the burner in the external case. So instead of $160 or so for a firewire case and a DVD-ROM drive, the whole setup will only cost me about $100. Good deal, huh? And I'll be able to take my burner wherever I go, and finally be able to read DVD's, as software starts coming out on them. Quite frankly, the fact that software still comes on 4 CD-ROM's instead of a single DVD is a little wasteful.

The best part is the last hour before the show closes, when no one wants to bring anything home. You go over to them and say "I'll give you X" and 9 times out of 10 they'll take it. Hell, the guy's first offer was $100. And I got a one-year warranty, cables, etc.

Tonight, my roommate and my other friend went to Crazy Horse (that's a strip club), while Niamh and I stayed home and watched movies and ate junk food.

All in all, a great MacWorld Expo. Much better than the last one where I was sick the whole time. I actually did some work, got paid, and scored a bunch of free/cheap stuff, including software paid for by MacTank, good contacts in the industry, and other fun stuff. I'm very happy.

anyway, replies!

Todd Jensen: <<Can't they even wait until February to start putting them up?>>: The sooner they start, the more reminding they do for the idiots who forget to buy stuff for their loved ones. But I agree. Seeing the X-mas stuff go up the day after Thanksgiving is a touch annoying.

Green Baron: <<God inspired the writers of teh Bible>>: I thought that God supposedly wrote the Bible. <<If you're not a liberal by the time you're twenty, you have no heart, and if you're not conservative by the time you're 50, you have no brain--Winston Churchill>>: So I have no heart. So sue me. <>: And do what? Go on a crusade? <<we receive his body and blood every Sunday andin fact we can receive it everyday if we wanted to>>: Okay I have a question about this: the shtick is that its supposed to transform into the body/blood of Christ once its in your mouth? Or once you swallow it? And if you puke it back up later, is it still the body/blood of christ? <>: Yeah, I guess if you were my age you'd know. When *I* was 12, she was the hottest thing on two legs. <<She had soem minor roles, but was alrgely an unkown until TPM>>: Um, she was the star of The Professional, dude. <<How about Harry Potter becoming the Black Adder>>: Or James Bond. <>: Check out "Everything you Always Wanted to Know about Sex". <<Is your family Orthodox?>>: HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Sorry, that was funny. <<At least it's better than a Canadian dollar>>: That's not possible. <<the Vatican will not allow a priest to run for political office in the United States. I think you would definitely find this a good thing>>: The United States wouldn't allow it either, I don't think. <<but hwo many people heard fo he before The Phantom Menace?>>: Try everyone in my age group. <<You and Tim will also be invited>>: How funny would it be if they weren't? ;-)

DPH: <<Do I need to provide you with a new body?>>: Are you offering yours. <<Too bad they can't issue cd-roms instead of books. Think about how much cheapier and better for the environment that would be>>: Makes open book tests a bit more difficult though. <<I'll shut down virtually every application being run>>: Good, see if that helps. <>: Jam packed with metal stuff, I'm guessing. <<The sad part is the cat usually ends up eating "breakfast" before I do>>: So eat first. <>: Hmmmm, weird. What game? <<Why bother signing up for a class in college if you know you won't attend over 1/2 the time?>>: Because you can pass it and get the credits. <<All you would have to do is carry around a laptop and get issued cd-roms for your classes.>>: Not sure if that would be attractive enough for students/parents, despite the obvious cost savings long-term. <<shop owners would love to have one holiday every month that required special purchases?>>: I think they've got one.

Shadowrider: <<but in the song it wouldn't sound as good>>: Details, details. <<How that happened? ;)>>: We're all hanging out, and some are sick. <<say hello to her for me, please>>: Done. She returns the feeling. <<It was a study about a gas turbine propeller for a fighter-class jet>>: What kind of analysis did you do? <<don't be too harsh with the young Josh. At his age, simply there is no knowledge of how life is fragile>>: Life is NOT fragile! I AM INVINCIBLE! <<It is a phase, and probably unavoidable>>: At least until I become a stain on the I-5.

Cyberklaw: <<edited their cameo out entirely>>: YES!

Hey! Speak god's language in here: ENGLISH!

Wilek: Don't you start that to, man! <<Best. Site. Ever>>: Was not!

Vashkoda: <<are you guys using a translator program, or is this a regional dialect?>>: BABELFISH!!! <>: I'm sorry, but those guys don't deserve your pity, or anyone else's.

Jaden: <<every time we go out he orders a "pop" and people look at him like he had a third eye>>: Maybe its that 3rd eye of his.

Silvadel: <<Actually I am of the opinion that some of the images should be pretty much owned by the people who use them all the time>>: That's BS. The people who drew the images own them. That said, anyone caught using my image will receive a swift kick to the nuts. Dot com. <>: What about mine?!

Infinity: <<I'm off to have tea and crackers with Sauron>>: Be sure to bring the visine. He's got a bad case of red eye.

Sevarius Jr: <<It�s time for some more random evilness.>>: When its you, its never random. <<I�m never flying again>>: Good luck getting anywhere. <>: Hell, they can't even vote correctly. <<Falwell, overrun by homos>>: I think Falwell is gay and he's projecting. <>: Cuz if he says it, it MUST be true. I'm sorry, but even as a republican, I find that a bit tough to follow. <<Could you be with her knowing that she was just used like a toilet by him?>>: Dude, if she came into your apartment and asked you to do ANYTHING, you'd drop to your knees and do it. I know you. <<Which means I won�t believe it at all, since I�m not gonna see the flick>>: BS. I'm calling you on that one. <<Please refrain from using such gutter languages>>: Seriously! Cursed surrender-monkeys ;-) <<I�ve always been a conservative, so what does that tell you>>: You never went to Berkeley. ;-) <<She was NOT an unknown>>: Thank you. <<now I just sort of watch it cause it�s got hot chicks>>: You mean you used to have another reason!? <>: Um... <<I�ve yet to see any sort of reasonable explanation as to why they�ve hooked up, other than it seemed like a funny joke at the time>>: Girls like him. Guys like her. What more of a reason do you need? <<it cuts both ways. You could be angry, say, that N*Sync is in Star Wars, and then I could say, �If you don�t like it, don�t watch it, hyuk hyuk.>>: There is a right to boycott. Because we boycotted star wars, Lucas gave up. But we didn't tell anyone that THEY couldn't watch it, nor did we try to get it banned. <<it�s off to the Batcave for some much needed rest>>: I hear you. Its a great place to play video games.

Gside: <<Mine went down 0.079, to 3.68>>: You rat bastard. And you're a white ECE too! <<No, no I don't. But I consider it enough>>: There is never enough! <<Mr. Fusion all the way>>: Right next to Mr. Radar. <<the liver is more famous for that>>: Until it fails. <<how does one make a chicken juicer?>>: Similar to an orange juicer, I'd imagine. <>: I hear you. <<You want to have sex with Mark Hamill?>>: No, but I want to get into Star Wars to launch my porn career. <<but that students have to have them, so publishers can make insane profits>>: The real problem is that competition in the market isn't lowering prices any. <>: I am teflon-man! <>: It doesn't take long for me to recognize someone's color/language/picture. <<Because you forgot to include the http:// that the script needs to recognize it as an outside link>>: Hate it when that happens. <<You are a true geek>>: Aren't we all? <<All the mad scientists remind me of my father.>>: I pity you. <<Aka Lefty?>>: Hehe. <<And they look more impressive on your bookshelf when you get out of college>>: That is so true. I love having an impressive library. Everytime someone goes through the books I've read, they say "whoa! You've read these? All these?" <<

Warpmind: <<Dodinas Baggins from Oatbarton. Yep, I am of the fabled Baggins family. YAY!>>: So you're fat, short, and have hairy feet? <<Scaramanga-type handgun, myself>>: With gold bullets. Surely lighters and pens are legal ;-) <<my attitude'll have to do>>: Egos don't defend to well against bullets. <<Which'll be murder on my se... posting frequency>>: Yeah, yeah. We know where the real problem is. <<could we get a translation to a language the majority here actually CAN understand?>>: Apparently not. <>: Just what we all want: you armed.

Christine: <<to have the budget for her _and_ her breasts>>: Hey, those were expensive! ;-) <<it's awful to say it like that>>: I think I know how you feel. My parents say similar things all the time (though they're a bit older than you). <<already have their EASTER stuff out>>: Geez!

Luminous Aphrodite: Cool name. <>: No thanks. I"d rather have my year go predictably.

Lain: <<this is "ishy" my rat>>: What's with the name? <<which means i had 14-and-a-half hours of sleep>>: Hardly enough. <<but they dont start playing cheesy drive-you-batty christmas mall muzak until december>>: Ugh and you have to work with that.

Taleweaver: <<If the practice is acceptable, then Christmas can never become too commerical>>: It's already there. <<No one wanted to stand up against the Star Wars juggernaut. This year might be different>>: I hope so. It'll give me something good to see after I'm pissed off about Star Wars.

Spacebabie: <>: Which was...? <<where is Josh's post for Friday?>>: Right here, built into my post for Saturday. Actually, technically it was my post for Thursday that was missing, as the post you read is full of replies to the day before, I just post at about midnight my time, so it seems all weird. But here are my posts for the 10th and 11th, posted early on the 12th. And thank you for noticing I was gone. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I'm just busy, that's all. Keeping Niamh entertained and going to the Mac expo and stuff. <<You get a ghost cookie flavored with ghost nip>>: Can that get you high? <<confirming letter that the DMV sucks>>: Direct subsidiary of Satan. <<if your looking for a sword my dad has a classic Claymore that he wants to sell>>: Perfect for morning behead...I mean pop quizzes. <<Free stuff is always cool, silly>>: Nah. STD's are free. So is the cold. <<but still you have a pretty cool GPA. Or maybe those guys like to round things down>>: Nope. They list my GPA as 3.500. Last semester it was 3.506. <<Damn that Sli sludge>>: Huh? <<That just means colds don�t last as long as they used to>>: Huh? <<with an invisible, non solid, silent Buffy>>: I think you're jealous. <<Don�t look at me I don�t even have a drivers license>>: You're even worse, ya freeloading bum! <<It could be worse. They could be using the French Canadian dialect>>: No, I don't think that would be any worse. <<you know Batman kept little boys there, right?>>: Why do you think they named the character "Dick"?

David G: <<Wow, It's been a long time since I've been here>>: Welcome back. <<there's not really any way to stop people from celebrating except to hit them with a stick>>: Well, you could burn them at the stake...oh, they already did that. <<Then they'd get to party too>>: That's why its easier to be a jew. Any excuse for a party.

Lady Mystic: <<Maybe one of these visits you'll be able to fit in more sight seeing>>: On your left, you'll see snow. On your right, more snow. <<Taking me to the ER>>: For...? <<If two or more posters use the same image the difference in text color could easily distinguish them from one another>>: What's really interesting is how that whole document about colors relating to personality comes into this. Its so unlikely that someone would choose a particular picture/color combination that matched one already chosen. I mean, each of our combinations says a lot about our personalities. And since we're all different...I dunno, its just kind of interesting to think about. <<Speaking of which>>: How is that coming along?

Gunjack: <<Brass Monkey>>: That funky monkey. <<irregular chunks of brass>>: That sounds rather painful.

Doug: Long time no see. <<and btw, this is not your CR and never will be. It's all of ours. So please don't act like you own the place>>: Don't be rediculous. It's mine. <<Why does he have to turn evil and become that ugly creep Darth Vader? Please switch things around so he doesn't>>: Please don't scare us like that.

Metaldemon: <<the bible is jsut as condeming of them as it is condemning of masturbators, fornicators, people who lust in their heart (which is just about every friggin' human being ever), children who disobey parents (just about all of us should be put to death for that one!)...to be brief, any sinnner. So I guess none of us can be accepted to any church>>: Including Falwell.

Fire Storm: <>: Well, she is the only female smurf... <<Tomatoes! Bread! Hands!>>: It slices, it dices! <>: That sounds sick. <<what does the liver do?>>: Similar. <<Pics?>>: Nope. Maybe another time. Its just a mall, really, with a food court and a few stores full of different stuff Sony makes. <<And Mavicas>>: So true. But if I ever had to buy a PC, it'd be that sweet VAIO desktop with the tablet monitor ($2500). <<Bass-O-Matic>>; Eh, just use a Cuisinart. <<You have an obsession with fathers>>: You're the one who drinks pop. <<Forget them!>>: Yeah, I probably will. <<trying to buy the lowest price computer>>: Not everyone wants to pay the lowest price possible. Apple stands for a premium name at a premium price. No different from Oakley, or BMW, or Sony. <<why should they go for the $1200-$1700 Apple?>>: Again, Apple clearly offers some things that your 10 PC's don't. And Apple still offers iMacs for under $1000. <<But for how long?>>: Like I know what the future of Apple's products is. I'd be richer than Gates if I did. <<At least they ddin't put everything behind the LCD screen>>: Well, the original design had that. But then it wasn't a "flat panel". Steve Jobs said that each element of the iMac should "be true to itself". So the flat panel screen had to be flat. <>: If you can't, just copy the prefs manually ;-) Its worth it to use 4 instead of 6. <<now I must make some purchases>>: Shouldn't you be putting money into the DLD? ;-)

Sorow: <<I'm really hoping my roommate never comes back>>: I'll be your roommate.

I didn't ask to be Secretary of Balloon Doggies. The balloon doggies demanded it!
-Franklin Sherman, "The Critic"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, January 12, 2002 04:46:56 AM
IP: 64.170.155.107

Warpmind> <<I'm leaving the 486 here>>: So how are you going to work on the RPG?
<<Heck, I memorized the hand gesture, even>>: You are a true geek.

Christine> <>: I got it worse than you. All the mad scientists remind me of my father.

Spacebabie> <<Yes with an invisible, non solid, silent Buffy>>: Aka Lefty?

Lady Mystic> <<Taking me to the ER>>: Joy. So whose turn is it next? Puppy Girl?

Gunjack> <<Brass Monkey (irregular chunks of brass)>>: But a brass monkey is just a stack of cannonballs. Though that would be rather hard to load into a shotgun.

DPH> <<Why bother signing up for a class in college if you know you won't attend over 1/2 the time?>>: Because you think you can pick up the material on your own, be able to pass the tests, and get the credit for the class (perhaps required for other classes or your degree) without having to waste time in the classroom. That, and maybe you didn't know how bad the professor would be.<<All you would have to do is carry around a laptop and get issued cd-roms for your classes>>: But still, sometimes you want something you can flip through, hold a place to refer backto with only your fingers. And they look more impressive on your bookshelf when you get out of college.

Fire Storm> <<And I found that Smurfette story again! Naughty>>: I feel good. Na na na na na... Sorry, just recalling a short video file a roomie happened to stumble upon.
<<But you should see the way it cuts through almost anything! Tomatoes! Bread! Hands!>>: Tin cans?
<>: I doubt it. The essential process of digestion doesn't change much from species to species.
<<As for the male... WHY?>>: Detachable, remote operation, multiple points of stimulation, for those more discrete times.
<<Faygo POP!>>: Faygo?
<<Too bad Megatokyo's server is down>>: Quite. And I wanted to hear why they took down the vilification of Interplay.
<<Yeah, I think. I dunno. I don't know the Bible>>: I was referring to Ah Megami-sama (Ah My Goddess).
<<Then what does the liver do?>>: Cleanses the blood and secretes bile(plays a major role in metabolism, digestion, detoxification and elimination of substances from the body).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, January 12, 2002 01:33:12 AM
IP: 68.39.9.124

Dph -- Actually it is merely dangerous... My computer queries usually come out pretty well actually... You see, I have some psi ability and my standard search uses a precognative chaos algorithm... They can try to cover the information up but I should get at least enough information to be considered dangerous....

processing....

bypassing security protocols....

processing........

silvadel
Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:53:48 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Silvadel - You do know that information on Time Enforcers you find is either inaccurate or deliberate misinformation, right? They're really good at covering up the truth because as soon as anyone tries to broadcast the truth either the person disappears or the truth is never discovered. That is the perfect conspiracy: the minute anyone offers evidence, either the evidence or the person disappears.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:47:21 AM
IP: 204.94.193.41

Keys a few things into computer database link:

Query: Time Enforcers... Scan for all relevant information and post details.....

processing............

silvadel
Friday, January 11, 2002 11:48:47 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Hey all. I'm back in Austin and running around trying to get ready for the new school semester. I like having the room to myself so much that I'm really hoping my roommate never comes back, but I'm not that lucky! It's nice to see you all alive :)
SOROW
Friday, January 11, 2002 11:33:52 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

Greenbaron: <Anything good in life is weird. Religion, the CR, Wilek, Gside, naughty tales about Scooby Doo and Smurfette>
And I found that Smurfette story again! Naughty...

DPH: <So you understand why I refuse to travel back in time>
Oh, DEFINATELY!
Now that I have a choice, I don't travel in this planet's time line. Other planets, yes, just not this one.

Spacebabie: 
It's healing nicely, thanks!

Gside: <You should do what we do and keep all your knives dull. Hope it heals quickly though.>
But you should see the way it cuts through almost anything! Tomatoes! Bread! Hands! ;)
<So what was the first?>
All things will be revealed.
<Actually it was more like a corss between a breastplate and a bustier, with a cigar cutter.>
Interesting...
<Energy that could be better used keeping you alive.>
But humans really can't digest corn too well. I was wondering if chickens can digest the corn and store it efficiently enough to make it practical.
<As a whole, no, But you should be able to recognize what each piece is supposed to be.>
Ah, too true, too true.

Yeah, watch, she has a relation ship with the robot inside! ;)
<But maybe the male counterpart would>
Hmm... MAYBE. Or both! She uses Vi-Bra-Tor on herself while you watch! As for the male... WHY?
<But he makes (half) the people happy>
As opposed to all the people upset?
<Not until you admit you're actually drinking soda>
NO! NEVER! I drink pop! Faygo POP!
<No, he doesn't. Ping isn't an H model, remember?>
Oh yeah! Too bad Megatokyo's server is down.
<But didn't he set the norns to tech support duty?>
Yeah, I think. I dunno. I don't know the Bible.
<Filters the blood. Usually for bacteria and dead cells>
Then what does the liver do?

Imzadi: 
Pics?
<Yeah, they make Vaio's, but the building is cool.>
And Mavicas
<Slick. Still hurt?>
Not too much. It is healing fine.
<Drink the chickens!>
But I left my Bass-O-Matic back on the mainland!
<What does your father have to do with this?>
Ah, I see. You have an obsession with fathers. ;)
<Name your price>
Ah... but my price is not payable. The first will not finish because of the second.
(May I not be true)
<But they still need support>
So? Forget them!

Oh, I know. BUT Apple's target audience SHOULD be the people, who are idiots, and are trying to buy the lowest price computer. (They are not idiots for buying a Mac, they just are idiots)
Apple got a lot of people going to their side because of their pretty design and decent price. If the average person can go and find 10 PCs for under $1000, why should they go for a $1200-$1700 Apple?
<Apple will still sell their CRT models at 799 and 999>
But for how long?
<But it is undeiably a cool machine>
At least they didn't put everything behind the LCD screen.
<why don't you keep using it?>
Because I have all my mail already in 6 and I don't know if I can transfer it back to 4.78. And I don't feel like checking if I can!
<I'm sure they'll love that>
EXTREMELY! ;)

Todd: <Can't they even wait until February to start putting them up?>
They were up around here on the 27th

Wilek: <CLick me name. Best. Site. Ever.>
Ok... now I must make some purchases.

Warpmind: <Hold up the 7-11 with a battle axe? Um... I don't know how things are in your neck of the woods right now, but in Norway, the gangs in the cities have H&K MP5-Navy's>
Imagine the surprise if you walk into a 7-11 dressed as a Viking and start swinging around a battle-axe!

Fire Storm
Friday, January 11, 2002 10:26:02 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Religion> If anyone belives God is a Trinity, then you have already bought into tradition and have already lost sight of God and are worshipping a false God (how do ya like them cookies!).
I tend to agree with St. Thomas in his discussion about evil: God doesn't create evil, rather he can make evil into good. Pagan rituals = evil to christianity. God makes them good for his purpose. Nuff' said.

The Bible doesn't look to good on butt sex between two men (to be blunt). As far as homosexuals themselves...the bible is jsut as condeming of them as it is condemning of masturbators, fornicators, people who lust in their heart (which is just about every friggin' human being ever), children who disobey parents (just about all of us should be put to death for that one!)...to be brief, any sinnner. So I guess none of us can be accepted to any church.
metaldemon
Friday, January 11, 2002 10:01:28 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Silvadel - <Actually I am of the opinion that some of the images should be pretty much owned by the people who use them all the time> I disagree. It should be the combination of image and color that can't be used by anyone else. After a while, you can find figure it who the person is by reading the post.

**BATTLEBOTS**
A couple of points that I would like to comment on. Battlebots is trying to increase its ratings, especially since it has a couple of direct competitors [I think it is really stupid the robot competition on TNN with robotic judges; TLC's robotica focuses more on behind the scenes.] That said, changing out the hosts is about finely tuning things to increase ratings. I did like the bits with Bill Nye going into technical details. I get the feeling Battlebots could air 52 one-hour episodes because of the number of robots competing. BTW, what happenned to that spider robot that walked really slowly? I am betting that bot didn't have a chance against a high speed bot. So far, every year, the heavy weight battlebot winner has changed hands. I am also curious about how Vladiator is a super heavy weight because it looks so small.
**END BATTLEBOTS**

The past few mornings, when I get ready to type my post, I have been greeted by a cat in my window wanting food. The sad part is the cat usually ends up eating "breakfast" before I do.

I am returning all the "2001:A Space Oddessy" & sequels that I checked out from the library. They are not great enough for me to consider reading them a 2nd time. I am going to check out some more books.

I am also going to go shopping so I can finish my supper and probably pickup breakfast along the way.

Green Baron, I am going to send you some anagrams today.

Last night, My computer said it was 8:00pm. I left this room and discovered it was really after 10:00pm. That made me mad. Damn it, I really want to know why this one game tampers with the clock on my PC, but I haven't heard a thing back and seemingly no one else experiences the same problem. I finally getting around to finishing up 50 scenarios for a said game (only 1 new one to design and test).

If we are taking about holidays, here's something of interest. Unless I miss my guess, there are an average of 1.5 federal holidays per month. Frankly, I would rather stick to 52 weeks of seven days, with one (two during leap year) holiday(s) every year.

David G & others - Well, Southern Baptists use Christmas to help raise money for International Missions. Easter is used to help raise money for Home Missions.

Please, somebody explain this to me: Why bother signing up for a class in college if you know you won't attend over 1/2 the time?

Green Baron - <How is that wrong?> When you start adopting rituals and lots of holidays, you lose sight of the real objective. Rituals lead you down the wrong path. Please, the only thing that should matter is that Jesus died, neither when he was born nor when he died. Sorry, I would like to go the basics. <I do not see organized religion as a problem, for I see the real problem with disorganized faiths, often small town churches without denomination tainted by contemporray appearnce, simplistic design, and unnaccountable preachers.> I view both anarchy and organization as problematic for a church. Anarchy is a problem because it leads to inefficient use of money. Organization is a problem because it can cause church members to lose track of their calling and can hinder growth of a church. I wouldn't mind, however, every pastor of a Christian church being required to pass a basic litmus test of beliefs.

SJ - <Maybe, but IMO, it�s tradition that starts all of the nonsense. The Bible may not view homosexuality in the
best light, but it�s the traditions that came later on that have dictated pretty much that homosexuals be reviled by the church.> I guess you are not with the Southern Baptist Convention. Romans and Leviticus spell it out pretty clearly on that issue, but that makes no excuse for things done in the past.

Gside - <The cost of textbooks isn't really related to cost of materials, but that students have to have them, so publishers can make insane profits.> Then what is the standard markup percentage? My reason for wanting reasons is also for convience. All you would have to do is carry around a laptop and get issued cd-roms for your classes.

Todd - Don't you know that shop owners would love to have one holiday every month that required special purchases?
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, January 11, 2002 09:36:05 PM
IP: 204.94.193.40

Just in caswe anyone missed me I'm still alive :-p

I'm around someplavce, but i am stealing time on my grandmother's connection and so I dont get by much... I am keeping tabs on the CR tho. if anyone needs me IM, post, or e-mail and i'll eventually get back to you... take care all.

Aingeal
Aingeal
Friday, January 11, 2002 09:30:57 PM
IP: 216.220.161.247

<speeds into the CR in his truck, hops out, and looks around grinning>

I have become like Traveler, hardly ever in the CR and not welcomed by most, yet present on occasion nonetheless. :)

<pets Rev. Atilla> My hand's freezing, but it feels good to do this again. Thanks for the kind words, remembered friend. Tell Leander Miller, James Harvey Elder I, Mammy Elder (I can never remember my great-grandmother's real name), Ted Bowers, Lawrence Charles, and all my other dead friends up in Heaven hi for me if you see them please. :)

Shadowrider: Thanks to you too.

Have to share a quick joke, then I will be gone. SJ, I just want you to know you inspired it. <muhahahah> Oh, and btw, this is not your CR and never will be. It's all of ours. So please don't act like you own the place. Thanks for sharing the cool Tool quote. Now the joke:

All of you who don't like N'Sync in Star Wars and George Lucas letting his daughter dictate to him new characters, cheer up. As always, it could be much worse:
"Daddy, Anakin is so nice and cute. Why does he have to turn evil and become that ugly creep Darth Vader? Please switch things around so he doesn't. Please..."
"Come on sweetheart. The fans would kill me if I did that. It would ruin the entire Star Wars continuity scheme. I can't do it, it'd be insane, I..."
"Please, Daddy?"
"Well..."
<waits for the screams of "No!!!!!!">

Gotta go now. Kit and I are trying to beat Igor's record for number of times someone's seen Lord of the Rings. Later! <runs to his truck, jumps in, and speeds out, bullets from SJ, Pistoff, and all the other CR people who have been jerks to him banging off the sides>
Doug
Friday, January 11, 2002 08:21:25 PM
IP: 63.232.50.27

Greg B. and S.J. you two must not be watching the same Buffy that I am. I have had some problems with this season, but most of the uneven pacing I find resolved by taping and then rewatching sans commercials. If only I could do the same for the the ridiculous lapses between new eps. And spoilers... you may want to watch something else when the new episodes resume on in a couple of weeks, especially Greg. Click my name or go to

http://www.angelicslayer.com/tbcs/spoilers.html

for details on the next several episodes.
kathy
Friday, January 11, 2002 06:31:44 PM
IP: 24.98.56.90

Wilek - Hardley the greatest site ever. They left out the Piranha (shell filled with small tacks), Strung Buck (two circular slugs connected by a wire), Hooker (slug trailing a large fishhook by a 6-inch wire), and Brass Monkey (irregular chunks of brass). There were a few other types that I can't remember... All mainly novelties.
Try the link for a few other types.

For my money, I'd rather stick with the hardcore DoD ammo types. Mmmmmm, APFSDSDU....
Gunjack "ID card to the Border Gaurd" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, January 11, 2002 05:38:04 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Ravyn: <<they call soda "pop" up in Michigan>>
I keep forgetting that it's regional slang. I can remember only one time when I was outside Michigan that someone found my calling soda 'pop' strange or wrong. Then again, if I want a particular type of soda I'd usually say the type (Sprite, Coke, etc), so maybe I don't say 'pop' too often except when I'm at home.
<<It was great to finally meet you guys and hang out at your place!!!>>
It was great to finally meet you too! ... And see you and Coyote together! :)
<<Sorry we kept missing you every other time, though.>>
I'm sorry too.
<<I'll be sure to come back that way again sometime,>>
YAY! Maybe one of these visits you'll be able to fit in more sight seeing. :)
<<and hopefully I can catch ya more then ... and we can do the double-date thing!>>
Great!

Gside: <<So what was the first?>>
Taking me to the ER. ;)

silvadel: <<Actually I am of the opinion that some of the images should be pretty much owned by the people who use them all the time>>
A poster can be identified by the combination of the image and text color. If two or more posters use the same image the difference in text color could easily distinguish them from one another. (In the past, many people shared the same image but distinguished themselves with text color.) Most CR dwellers are courteous enough to refrain from using a particular image when another poster uses it on a regular basis. When someone uses that image anyway they usually use it only on rare occasions. We have never allowed official 'reservations' on images and image/color combinations and I hope we never do. Restricting who can and can't use a CR image seems quite severe in my opinion. Everyone should *try* to be able to share the images and text colors and work out arrangements with others if need be.
<<there are about 15 or 20 people who almost always post under the same image and post often for whom the image pretty much says "this person is posting".>>
I agree that it works out that way, but I still don't think that is reason enough to reserve pics.
<>
The CR member profiles pages will state what each member uses and should be quite useful. (I will also be making user stats pages, such as pic and colors.) Speaking of which...

Siryn: When you get a chance, could you send that cgi file? Thanks! :)
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Dearborn, MI
Friday, January 11, 2002 04:45:44 PM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Wow, It's been a long time since I've been here.

Taleweaver> Christianity doesn't steal holidays, individual Christians do - and traditionally the Church didn't really like it, they just put up with it because there's not really any way to stop people from celebrating except to hit them with a stick, which does nothing to endear you to the people you're trying to convert.

See, Christianity straight from the Bible doesn't have any holidays. (Judiasm does, but not as many as you might think) Over time, some Christians decided to celebrate certain events (The birth of Christ, the Resurrection, and various others) particularly as Christianity spread to non-Jewish cultures.

The process was generally that a bunch of Pagans would convert to Christianity, but then the Harvest festival (or whatever) would roll around, and the Christians would see what a great time their Pagan neighbors were having, and they'd feel all left out, so they'd compromise and decide that it was the Feast of All Saints. Then they'd get to party too.

The thing is, mostly Christian holidays don't really have anything to do with Christianity. The Catholic and Orthidox churches may be different, but for all the Protestent sects I know about, Holidays are somewhat separate from Worship. They're an excuse to get together and have fun and maybe bring to mind some aspect of your faith that sits on the back-burner most of the time.

Christian worship is far, far less ritual oriented than most other faiths. Christ is more concerned with what you believe and how you act than with chanting or insense or particular days of the year.

Christianity takes different forms all over the world. The only real act of worship that binds us together (and even this one has some variance) is that on the first day of the week the faithful gather to share the Lord's Supper.

Everything else is pretty much window dressing.

Except for Baptisim, but that's generally a once in a lifetime thing, as opposed to a regular ritual.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, January 11, 2002 04:34:47 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Just returned from the mall, I bought mom her B-day present.

Survivor Spoilers*******************************************
Hyena laugh.
Good bye Tom you disgusting pig.
Good bye Lex ya tattooed reptile.
YES!!!!! Ethan Won!!!
Whoo Freakin who!
and now I have to say this but, Kelly is such a bitch!
End Spoilers.

Hey where is Josh's post for Friday?

Oh well replies.
Ghost of Reverend Attila>> congrats. You get a ghost cookie flavored with ghost nip.

Winterwolf>> ***HUGS BACK***Thanks for another confirming letter that the DMV sucks. Make sure you do that thing right, don�t want to end up putting yourself in a trance.

GXB>>>I hope you have a better semester this year and if your looking for a sword my dad has a classic Claymore that he wants to sell.

Josh<<<Today I finally got to walk around the floor and see booths and get free stuff, which was cool.>>> Free stuff is always cool, silly.<<<My GPA did not go up, despite my fantastic grades. It went down by 0.006, to 3.5 even.>>>That sucks, but still you have a pretty cool GPA. Or maybe those guys like to round things down.<<<Niamh seems to have caught a bit of the cold from my roommate (not gonna ask how that happened, probably best if you don't either). Damn that Sli sludge!<<>> That just means colds don�t last as long as they used to.<<>> Yes with an invisible, non solid, silent Buffy.<<<Demolition Man? >>> BZZZT! Wrong.

SJ<<>>Don�t look at me I don�t even have a drivers license.<<<Please refrain from using such gutter languages>>> It could be worse. They could be using the French Canadian dialect.<<<So it�s off to the Batcave for some much needed rest. >>> Now you know Batman kept little boys there, right?
Spacebabie
Orlando, Flroida
Friday, January 11, 2002 03:56:11 PM
IP: 64.159.110.84

Hi all,
I hope everyone will have a good weekend.

Religion & Ritual> I'm jumping in head first on this one, but please call me on something if I get it wrong. I do find it wrong if a religion like Christianity, co-ops anothers' holiday. The purpose of rituals and holidays is to connect the people of that faith with the divine, not to pack them into the church or convert to a 'universal' faith. If the practice is acceptable, then Christmas can never become too commerical, because holidays are malleable to the whims of the masses. Its not that they are tainted rather, they would have no strong claim on the people, if you hold to the position that Christanizing other holidays and customs. Persoanlly, I think it points to the weakness of Christianity that it has to dress up in other customs. The question it raises is whether people really believe in something greater than themselves or whether Jesus and the hosts of saints are just modern names for gods & goddess, lares & penates that we've invented since we started walking upright?

Star Wars> Haven't followed it that much. I think with movies like Lord of the Rings and the Time Machine, Attack of the Clones isn't going to be another Phantom Menace. I recall that Phantom Menace was given a wide berth by the other studios. No one wanted to stand up against the Star Wars juggernaut. This year might be different.

I hope everyone is hail and hearty. Keep up the chatter. See you all on Monday.

Rahsaan
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Friday, January 11, 2002 03:38:18 PM
IP: 134.71.41.95

*enters, yawning, with a rat curled up in her lap*

hello all.. this is "ishy" my rat. hes really cute.. but my roommate would FREAK if she knew i had him.. so would the cat.. i dont have a picture of him but.. the link is to a picture of a mama rat and her babies.. the mama looks pretty much exactly like him :D
he sneezes very cutely, and his whiskers are VERY ticklish when he climbs all over me and sniffs around. and no, he isnt stinky AT ALL..
*sighs and grins*

okay, i went to bed at midnight, and woke up at 2:30pm. which means i had 14-and-a-half hours of sleep.. i woke up at 8 when my alarm went off.. but i literally could not move. not even to turn the stupid thing off. so i went back to sleep. now i have my usual blinding headache and my shoulders are VERY stiff. i think i have to go to work today, too. oh well, at least ill get out of the house.

speaking of work.. we usually have at least SOME christmas stuff out by... oooo... july? then again, this is because we are a craft store and most people who do crafts to give as gifts need time to do them.. like cross-stitching.. or knitting sweaters and stuff.
the mall i work in.. well, usually they put christmas stuff up the day after halloween. but they dont start playing cheesy drive-you-batty christmas mall muzak until december.

there is lots of valentine stuff out now, though, youre right.

okay, i WAS gonna post a long post.. but now i have NO ENERGY at all.. so im going back to bed.
later.
love,
lain
the Great White North
Friday, January 11, 2002 03:14:49 PM
IP: 64.228.199.221

Just sending out well wishes to all! Dang this new year is starting off really weird. I mean, here I am, planning for life to go all smoothly and then *ka-pow* rug's knocked out from underneath my feet. Well, I guess everyone needs to have the world go alittle crazy once in awhile. It's gonna be some year! More warped info to come!
Luminous Aphrodite
Friday, January 11, 2002 03:06:55 PM
IP: 207.42.162.231

Christine -- I agree Carmen Elektra was a foolish addition -- One of many reasons I do not like the other robot battling show is it is too much like a wrestling tv show which I wouldnt watch if paid well.

As for vladiator -- I have seen worse calls -- remember that they do seem to give former champions // popular bots the benefit of the doubt -- and newcomers get the worst of decisions unless it is really clearcut.

Ziggo is probably my favorate bot -- I got somewhat worried though when it was unbalanced. Reminded me of when mauler ran around the ring... Ziggo at its best is a 4 tap, bye bye wheels affair... In this battle he had to stay below half speed.

---

I can add warpminds Nudnik to the pictures that should be reserved...

silvadel
Friday, January 11, 2002 02:28:30 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Another day, another euro. At least it's better than a Canadian dollar ;)

DPH> <<read 2 Timothy 3:16. There is a big difference between tradition and scripture.>> Yes, I know it an dhav read it. There is a difference, but not the rift that some newer religions see. Tradition is not mentioned in the passage nor is it condemned in the Bible.

<<Besides, how many Christian traditions were adopted from pagan rituals?>> So what? Does that add some impure taint? Most of Europe was pagan. Christianity is a Universal faith, not a nationalist one. When pagans in Europe were converted, so were many of their customs. To reject soemthing because it has a pre-Christian history is never good. After all, the Last Supper had very defined pre-Christian roots. If one is to make disciples of all men of all nations, one may have to Christianize their culture, too. The shamrock was a pagan symbol and St. Patrick used it to explain the Holy Trinity. How is that wrong?

Jaden> My current barracks are crappy and I have to walk across a hallway to use the crapper. I prefer two man latrines and I think you have similar accomadations.

You probably also have a lower cutoff score. BTW, have you made PFC yet?

Sevarius, Jr.> <<Maybe, but IMO, it�s tradition that starts all of the nonsense. The Bible may not view homosexuality in the best light, but it�s the traditions that came later on that have dictated pretty much that homosexuals be reviled by the church. (Sorry to use such an inflammatory example, but it was the first one that came to mind.)>> Depends on what chruch. The Catholci Church won't give it a green light, because of Leviticus, but I never really hear priests talk about homosexuality. I don't want to point fingers, but teh faith you were raised in and ones liek them are much more vocal about it.

<<See, now this is where it all begins to break down for me. I DO believe in the Bible. After that though�.the work of the Apostles I hold as fairly pure. From there, we degenerate into an abyss. I�m currently fairly against organized religions, because they, IMO, concern themselves very little with actual matters of religion and are instead acting more in the sociological role of supplying power to politics. So I believe in God, the Holy Trinity, what have you, but I don�t view Mary as anyone other than just a good, virtuous woman and I have no belief at all in the divinity of the Pope.>> Well, the Church and State became two intertwined. The early days were best, because persecution breeds nobility and martyrdom. The degeneration didn't really start until the high Middle Ages. The Reformation weakened teh politcial power of teh Catholci Church and forced its leadership to see whta was worng. That they have strayed, but since then, things have improved vastly. The days of Borgias and De Medicis are gone. the Catholic Church also regualte sitself and reigns in radicals, plus the Vatican will not allow a priest to run for political office in the United States. I think you would definitely find this a good thing.

I do not see organized religion as a problem, for I see the real problem with disorganized faiths, often small town churches without denomination tainted by contemporray appearnce, simplistic design, and unnaccountable preachers. While I do not see Schuler as a corrupt figure, his "Crystal Cathedral" was more expensive than the Cathedrals built by the Meidicis and Borgias, and quite honestly, the Medicis and Borgias had far better taste.

I never claimed the Pope to be divine. He is as human as we are, but I consider tobe of much greater moal quality than us, and he has a lot more responsibility than we'd ever want. I do not see the apostles as divine, and I do not make any claims that God speaks to them more, but I think such folks listen to God a lot more than we do. We may have differnet views of the Pope and you probably won't kiss hi sring to greet him, but I know you have a lot of personal respect for him as a virtuous man, like I do for Billy Graham. Actually I remember reading about some similarities they share.

As for Mary, well I view her as my Mother, and guidance. She is very special to me and John 19: 26-27 basically are why I consider her my Mother but also mother to all Christians. He refered to Mary not as mother but woman,a reference to Genesis 3:14-16.

I do not try to conevrt you but to explain. At least we can discuss this without a flame war originating.

<<I�m 99.9% sure that never happened>> Well, that .01% can occur. I recall Jennfier Anderson backed me up on this, last time I brought it up :)

Harrison Ford did not become known until Star Wars. It was Star Wars that cause us to even remember American Grafitti.

Portman was in a few movies before 199 and she started acting five eyars earlier, but hwo many people heard fo he before The Phantom Menace?

So you're not going to see Star Wars II? I'll still see it, but I am disapointed.

On an unrelated note, how often do you check your mail or go on the msn instant messenger?

Christine> Becca will probably be ten or eleven, given a rough estimate. You and Tim will also be invited.

Easter is premature. Mardi Gras season has just started. At least, they coudl wait till Ash Wednesday. That also means king cakes can be bought anywhere in New Orleans :) I might order one.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Friday, January 11, 2002 01:29:46 PM
IP: 140.156.6.2

Todd > for what it's worth, a couple of stores in our area already have their EASTER stuff out ... :P
Christine
Friday, January 11, 2002 12:40:00 PM
IP: 64.24.34.161

Battlebots > thought the new season was off to a good start. Could have done without Carmen Elektra as the new Bot Bimbo, especially if they had to cut Bill Nye to have the budget for her _and_ her breasts (so sue me; I like Bill Nye; he reminds me of one of my college professors). Close call for Vladiator, Killer Bee was robbed, feel sorry for the teenage girl who drew Ziggo as her first opponent, much fun, looking forward to lots of sparks and flying parts! On a side note, I finally got my Deadblow keychain! In fact, have quite the growing collection of bot toys. Some of them are just the right size to put on the battlemat for the game!

Josh > well, I am, what, 15 years older? (ugh, it's awful to say it like that).

Warpmind > mightn't I settle for an e-mail with the link? ; )

Green Baron > Becca as flower girl -- guess that all depends on when and where you're getting hitched.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, January 11, 2002 10:45:45 AM
IP: 64.24.214.70

*Warpmind enters, grinning.*
That Hobbit Name-Generator at the Barrow Downs was good. Allow me to introduce myself: Dodinas Baggins from Oatbarton. Yep, I am of the fabled Baggins family. YAY! }:)

Green Baron: Hold up the 7-11 with a battle axe? Um... I don't know how things are in your neck of the woods right now, but in Norway, the gangs in the cities have H&K MP5-Navy's while the police have their .38 Specials and 9mms locked in the trunk of the car, and civilians are technically not even allowed to carry knives... Battleaxes are NOT a good idea, then. Hmmm... Maybe I should invest in a custom-built Scaramanga-type handgun, myself, just in case... Naw, my attitude'll have to do. Unless I get that 20mm revolver design actually built, of course...

Mec! Ye're alive! *Whee* Long time, amigo!

*Glances at the ghost of Reverend Attila.* You're back, huh? Took you long enough. ;) Welcome back, kitty.

Gside: Connection in my room? No, unfortunately... Which'll be murder on my se... posting frequency. *Cough* *Cough* Besides, I don't have my own computer with internet capacity, either. (And I'm leaving the 486 here - I can't drag that hunk aboard the boat anyway, when I've got other items of luggage.) And I understood the notes. Heck, I memorized the hand gesture, even. :)

*Stares blankly at the French posts...* Okay, could we get a translation to a language the majority here actually CAN understand? (English, of course, being preferred...)

*Stares at Wilek's link, drooling slightly.* Hmmm... Okay, I CAN legally get a 12-gauge... Dragon's Breath, thou SHALT be mine!

Well, gotta go. Cheerio, folks.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, January 11, 2002 06:18:30 AM
IP: 193.217.198.52

CLick me name. Best. Site. Ever.
Wilek
Friday, January 11, 2002 04:50:31 AM
IP: 168.143.112.103

Imzadi> <<My GPA did not go up, despite my fantastic grades. It went down by 0.006, to 3.5 even. Bastards>>: Feh. Mine went down 0.079, to 3.68. (term avg 3.156)
<<and I worked my butt off too>>: At least I didn't.
<<And if I don't?>>: You'd just better.
<<My roommate isn't a vegetarian>>: My bad.
<<You clearly don't listen to enough bloodhound gang>>: No, no I don't. But I consider it enough.
<<Great, now we're all screwed>>: My point. Or at least we will be if we attempt it with one of his creations.
<<With a nuclear reactor?>>: Mr. Fusion all the way.
<<Who knew?>>: Me.
<<Besides you>>: Oh. Well, my color rotation is actually based on a physical variation. And I am experienced with having my rotations mapped.
<<Needs to do alcohol too>>: the liver is more famous for that.
<<Because that's all that really matters>>: So utterly true.
<<Drink the chickens!>>: So how does one make a chicken juicer?
<>: I try to be forgiving, but homonyms still grate at me.
<>: You want to have sex with Mark Hamill?
<>: Yeah. I've been going easy on scheduling lately, and I've had a couple lucky breaks with reusable books (EDev and DigE), but it was still very close to an average of 100 per (total of about 300).

DPH> <<Too bad they can't issue cd-roms instead of books. Think about how much cheapier>>: The cost of textbooks isn't really related to cost of materials, but that students have to have them, so publishers can make insane profits.

Wilek> <<Ne vous glissez pas sur le vomi des clownes!>>: I like to think I have rather good traction and balance, even on slick surfaces.
Vashkoda> <<The grammer is all funky--are you guys using a translator program, or is this a regional dialect?>>: I'd imagine either the translator or half remembered foreign language lessons from previous levels of education.

Silvadel> <>: I remember instances of people using the same images consurrently, and they were still distinguishable by color and posting syntax (and length).

Infinity> <<it didn't work>>: Because you forgot to include the http:// that the script needs to recognize it as an outside link.

Na zdorov'ya.

Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, January 11, 2002 02:30:49 AM
IP: 68.39.9.124

It�s time for some more random evilness.

It�s official � I�m never flying again. Why? Because it seems impossible for there to be any sort of aerial contraption that we own that will not crash and burn *frequently*. There�s been like, a half-dozen plane crashes in the past couple weeks. We got an F-16 down up around New York, we got a plane going down in Pakistan (where several of our soldiers were killed, which is sad, because they were only there helping accomplish Operation: Kill All Sand Monkeys), we got some lunatic kid flying a plane into a building in Florida�.

And about that, I have to ask you, State of Florida�.what the F!CK is up with you? Jesus, first you train terrorists to fly (and not land) planes, and then you let children pilot aircraft. BTW, am I the only one here who gained a large sense of satisfaction that that retard killed himself with that plane? We�ve all established that flying planes into buildings = bad, but I sure do hope that that kid dyed a slow, agonizing death. Because that�s what he deserves. �Boo hoo, no one loves me, I�ll go fly into a building.� Go ahead, asshole. Know what? We�re all going to do just fine without you. Get in the coffin and die already.

The Liberty Scandal: BWAH HA HA HA HA!!!!
I find this immensely satisfying on so many levels. Falwell, overrun by homos.
Well�.alas, there�s not some sort of big secret gay community living there, so the scandal isn�t as good as it could be, but I still love the irony that there are gays, who apparently were responsible for 9-11 (it�s true, Falwell told me!), living at Jerry�s own university.

Now on to other stuff.

<<Latest Star Wars episode 2 news: Due to the negative backlash by fans at the news that NSYNC would be in the movie George Lucas has apparently edited their cameo out entirely. Yes, bitching and moaning can make a difference!>> It�s too late. It�s like finding out�.oh, say, Jennifer Lopez is dating Sean �Puffy / P-Diddy� Combs. Then she breaks up with him. You go, �Oh, well I�m glad she�s no longer with him.� But she�s RUINED. Could you be with her knowing that she was just used like a toilet by him? Certainly not me. Same with Star Wars. The N*Sync boys have taken Star Wars, and they have violated it. Now it�s cheap and used, and I want no part of it.
BTW, I�ll believe this when I see it. Which means I won�t believe it at all, since I�m not gonna see the flick. I�ll go watch Spider-Man or something (even though the trailer BLOWS). Natalie Portman rates higher on my scale than Kirsten Dunst, but I can�t put up with anymore Jar Jar wackiness.
<<I'm glad N'Sync is no longer in the movie, but I can't help but feel sorry for those guys. It's gotta be rough thinking you'll have a role in Star Wars, and then have that taken away.>> Ha ha ha. Well, of all of the people in this world that I feel sorry, it ain�t them. Wow, they aren�t in Star Wars. What a tough life they must live to be denied that privilege.

Is someone speaking French in my CR? Please refrain from using such gutter languages.

Green Baron: <<God inspired the writers of teh Bible, and so teh same is true of traditions.>> Maybe, but IMO, it�s tradition that starts all of the nonsense. The Bible may not view homosexuality in the best light, but it�s the traditions that came later on that have dictated pretty much that homosexuals be reviled by the church. (Sorry to use such an inflammatory example, but it was the first one that came to mind.) <<If you're not a liberal by the time you're twenty, you have no heart, and if you're not conservative by the time you're 50, you have no brain--Winston Churchill>> I�ve always been a conservative, so what does that tell you. ;) <> See, now this is where it all begins to break down for me. I DO believe in the Bible. After that though�.the work of the Apostles I hold as fairly pure. From there, we degenerate into an abyss. I�m currently fairly against organized religions, because they, IMO, concern themselves very little with actual matters of religion and are instead acting more in the sociological role of supplying power to politics. So I believe in God, the Holy Trinity, what have you, but I don�t view Mary as anyone other than just a good, virtuous woman and I have no belief at all in the divinity of the Pope.
Star Wars: <<Harrisson Ford got his start here and Mark Hamill became a porno star.>> Ford is arguable, but I�ve never heard or seen of Hamill in a porno. I�m 99.9% sure that never happened. <<IN Phantom Menace, Ewan MacGregor got his start and Natalie Portman was not extremely well known. >> First off, about Ewan � he so did not get his start here. If anything, he gained international recognition for his role in that great heroin opus, �Trainspotting�. <<Natalie Portman�I never even knew who she was before Phantom Menace. She had soem minor roles, but was alrgely an unkown until TPM.>>Forget all of that other religious talk, this is REAL blasphemy. She was NOT an unknown! <<Haley Joel Osmond got the Harrisson Ford effect>> He was never in Star Wars. You�re thinking of Jake Lloyd.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: This isn�t so much of a review, as it is a mini-editorial. I�m gonna go and agree with Greg here.
This show is SO mediocre now. I don�t know what happened to it, but it�s just not hitting on anything this year. It wouldn�t be quite as noticeable except that I�m watching the reruns on FX, and you can literally see the progression of the show going from good (seasons 1-2) to GREAT (season 3) to okay (seasons 4-5) to just plain average (current season 6). It�s depressing. The show used to be one of my faves on TV, now I just sort of watch it cause it�s got hot chicks. I can�t understand why it�s fallen SO much. And here�s the thing � almost everyone I know goes, �Isn�t Buffy great this year! The nerds are so funny!� And I look at them like they just told me they raped a baby. Cause I just do NOT see it.
The Nerds are HORRIBLE. I don�t know who came up with them as some sort of self-masturbatory inside-geek joke, but it�s just a bad concept. They�re NOT funny, they�re actually quite pathetic, and they act as negative black holes that just suck all humor and entertainment from the show whenever they are on. I heard that they weren�t supposed to be the main villains this season, but they�re on EVERY EPISODE. It�s goddamn ridiculous.
Now unlike Greg, I�m not incensed by the whole Spike / Buffy romance because of the mellowing of Spike. I could care less about that. I dig Spike, so I don�t really care much if he�s a villain or a hero. But I�m against this romance because it just doesn�t make any sense, and I�ve yet to see any sort of reasonable explanation as to why they�ve hooked up, other than it seemed like a funny joke at the time.

Blecch�.at least Angel is still good.

Greg: <<Here's an interesting concept: if you don't like it, don't look at it.>> Boy do I love it when people use that excuse. Cause it�s the biggest f�ing copout ever. And it cuts both ways. You could be angry, say, that N*Sync is in Star Wars, and then I could say, �If you don�t like it, don�t watch it, hyuk hyuk.� True, you don�t have to watch it. But it doesn�t change the fact that the subject in question is an offensive piece of sh!t anyway.

And I�d write more, but I�m damn near comatose. So it�s off to the Batcave for some much needed rest.

With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out,
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

--- Tool, �Lateralus�

"Emperor of Kings" Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:45:10 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Ok it didn't work. Here's the link to the orc name generator so you can just cut and paste it into your browser.
http://www.barrowdowns.com/OrcGen.asp

I'm off to have tea and crackers with Sauron. See you guys! ;)

Infinity
Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:29:21 PM
IP: 208.158.57.164

Mooncat -- Actually I am of the opinion that some of the images should be pretty much owned by the people who use them all the time -- IE this one would be usable only by me, and you would get the sekmet one... It wouldnt stop people or even us from using other images, but there are about 15 or 20 people who almost always post under the same image and post often for whom the image pretty much says "this person is posting"... IE I was surprised to see someone else use sekmet.

silvadel
Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:51:04 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Ravyn I have a friend from there and every time we go out he orders a "pop" and people look at him like he had a third eye.

Green Baron- New barracks!? Some people are just so lucky.

Gotta go
Later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 10, 2002 08:55:29 PM
IP: 172.156.69.189

Todd> Actually, I saw St. Patricks decorations at a store already. Now *that's* insane!

What's with the French comments? The grammer is all funky--are you guys using a translator program, or is this a regional dialect? =)

I'm glad N'Sync is no longer in the movie, but I can't help but feel sorry for those guys. It's gotta be rough thinking you'll have a role in Star Wars, and then have that taken away. Their cameo scene will no doubt be used for the music video, though.
Vashkoda, aka "Kurrukh the Burner"
Thursday, January 10, 2002 07:56:16 PM
IP: 129.98.122.194

Reine de vice> Bonjour, mon ami! Ne vous glissez pas sur le vomi des clownes! ^_^
Wilek
Thursday, January 10, 2002 07:32:16 PM
IP: 168.143.112.102

Bonjour tous... Oui, Mara a fait son retour au CR, bien qu'elle jamais soit vraiment all�e. Allait-elle comment votre nouvelle ann�e? Le mien a �t� d�pens�, du 29 d�cembre jusqu'au 8 janvier, dans les bras de mon compagnon aim�, Aaron. Nous avons �galement obtenu de passer le temps avec l'ami Ana de Lynati et de Revel, de Greg, d'Emambu, de Nati et d'autres. C'�tait un souffle, pour dire les mineurs. Plus � suivre quand je ne suis pas aussi paresseux... et seulement si l� est int�r�t montr�. C'est tout.
Reine de vice - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 10, 2002 06:20:20 PM
IP: 172.155.140.232

Hey guys! I thought that some of you LOTR fans might like to find out what your Orkish name is. Just clickey below to access the Ork name generator.

NSYNCH being cut out of Star Wars? YES!!!

Brought to you by Zagw�sh the Sleazy aka Infinity
Infinity
Thursday, January 10, 2002 05:59:48 PM
IP: 208.158.57.223

Don't know how many of you have heard this, but I thought I'd post it anyway.

Latest Star Wars episode 2 news: Due to the negative backlash by fans at the news that NSYNC would be in the movie George Lucas has apparently edited their cameo out entirely. Yes, bitching and moaning can make a difference!
cyberklaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 10, 2002 05:40:12 PM
IP: 152.163.204.56

Hi people. Not so much to say tonight. Good, since I need sleep.

Josh:> <> For me it is already..as usual. (just ask Niamh for my usual week schedule...). But, since I revel quite good in it...
<<Nah, this was a BMW>> Yes, but in the song it wouldn't sound as good...
<<Niamh seems to have caught a bit of the cold from my roommate (not gonna ask how that happened, probably best if you don't either).>> How that happened? ;)
Oh, by the way, say hello to her for me, please.

Jan:> Got your email. A reply on the way.
<<assignment>> Yes, I did in time, thanks for asking. :) It was a study about a gas turbine propeller for a fighter-class jet, if you want to know. I delivered the data in time, now I just have to hope that the prof will decide to give at least a LOOK to it sooner or later...
<< Anna went to the doctor today. She's now going once a week... he said that Zach is ready and could be here any day now. Zach has been extremely active these past few days so I think he's becoming restless himself. awwwww! he's such a sweet boy! :D>> So, good luck and best wishes to the young mother, to the coming baby and the proud grandma! :)
<< glad you made it back to school safely. I really do hate hearing when you talk of driving at such high rate of speed. *sais* I don't care what kind of automobile you are riding in - at that speed you'll be unrecognizable after an accident. >> Oh, don't be too harsh with the young Josh. At his age, simply there is no knowledge of how life is fragile (I think it is true especially for males...). I consider myself a prudent driver and rider now, and probably I am...but I did my stupid acts in my days. It is a phase, and probably unavoidable..

Ghost of Rev. Attila:> <> Me too. Me too...

Nothing more. See you all.

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Thursday, January 10, 2002 05:19:28 PM
IP: 213.213.18.49

Green Baron - read 2 Timothy 3:16. There is a big difference between tradition and scripture. Besides, how many Christian traditions were adopted from pagan rituals?

Jan - <Richard Millhouse Nixon was the first US president whose name contains all of the letters to spell out "criminal". William Jefferson Clinton was the 2nd one.> Does that mean I should run anagrams on presidential candidates? BTW, did you know that the letters of "George Bush" can be rearranged to "He bugs Gore"? <Do you at least like her and get along well with her?> Somewhat. <how did the job search ever come out?> I'm not starting my job search until back is in fairly well shape. If I start to draw unemployment, I have to turn in 2-3 applications a week. If I do not acquire a job within so much time, I have to lower the criteria for the job to acquire. I can't do that.

Ghost of Reverend Attilla - Do I need to provide you with a new body?

Imazi - <Don't even start. I average 5-6 HUNDRED DOLLARS A SEMESTER for books.> Too bad they can't issue cd-roms instead of books. Think about how much cheapier and better for the environment that would be. <Kill all processes. It will really help.> Next time, I'll shut down virtually every application being run.

DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, January 10, 2002 04:01:56 PM
IP: 204.94.193.31

DPH> <<Green Baron - Tradition was made by man. The Bible has to be a higher authority than tradition. The best defense against crazies who misinterpret the Bible is knowing the Bible.>> At least you don't thoorughly condemn tradition, like some. The Bibel does not speak against tradition, and it is where tradition begins. Tradition is based from the Bible, and while it is man made, so is the Bible. God inspired the writers of teh Bible, and so teh same is true of traditions. Tradition also keeps us form the dangers of modernism, and the Bible warns of when sound doctrine will be despised.

<> Think what you want. I strongly accept that the woman in Revelations 12:1 is the Virgin Mary.

Mecord> All will be revealed in time.

Greg B> Venial sins...only venial sins.

<<Does finding a wallet full of mnoey and keeping it to yourself count? If so: Check>> Did you even check for some form of identification? Religion aside, imagine how you would feel if that happened to you. I won't judge your choice, but I would try to find whoever owned the wallet and with no claimants, I'd keep the money, though I do admit that is a tempting thought.

<<Never went to mass>> Then you weren't baptised or ever had your first Communion. You're exempt from this one.

<<A true liberal who wants Giulianni for president? Sorry, but I'm less Liberal than I used to be.>> Guiliani does have teh backing of New York's Liberal Party, though. If you're not a liberal by the time you're twenty, you have no heart, and if you're not conservative by the time you're 50, you have no brain--Winston Churchill

Jan> <<Richard Millhouse Nixon was the first US president whose name contains all of the letters to spell out "criminal". William Jefferson Clinton was the 2nd one.>> I like that one.

<<You don't believe totally in the Bible and yet you totally believe in a bunch of pope type people.. ummm ok. It sounds like you are more of a follower of men instead of a follower of God.>> Very harsh judgment there. I might have to break out the chainmail and iron cross, now ;)

I do not exclusively believe in the Bible. I recognize the authority a Pope has as it stems from the very authority Jesus gave St. Peter. Martin Luther proposed the notion of scriptum solorum, not Jesus. I would never equal the Popes or the Councils to God. Also, the Bible was written by man, but with God's guidance. The same goes with tradition. Christianity may not ahve been as informal as it was when Jesus was around, but Jesus saw the need for hierarchy. He asked St. Peter to be the rock upon the Church's foundation. He didn't grant the twelve apostles equal authority, nor did he make leadership equal among all of his followers. He made apostles his priests, and St. Peter was delegated the main priest (Pope would not be used until later, and neither would Bishop yet).

We have soem differences in beliefs and that's normal. Perhaps there are so many denominations so Jesus could see if we'd get along with all our differences. However, I do nottake kindly to having my belief in God questioned. I follow a Religion that worships the holy trinity, and we receive his body and blood every Sunday andin fact we can receive it everyday if we wanted to (since Mass is offered daily).

I don't understand the whole bit about it being symbolic when in the Last Supper, Jesus said thsi is my body..my blood, not representative of it. John Calvin was also just a man and at least Luther was a priest.

Skippy> Liberty had a scandal. Big deal. Waht do you expect from Falwell. Bob Jones is infinitely worse, though. Liberty will grant me free tuition to take a distance education course since I am an American soldeir, so I can't really find too much fault with them until after my ETS date :)

Gside> <<But everyone else at the 7-11 has their own battle axe.>> Especially in Norway.

Imzadi> <<WHAT!?>> I never even knew who she was before Phantom Menace. She had soem minor roles, but was alrgely an unkown until TPM.

<<He will have a larger role later.>> But still he has too much name recognition. Someone less known would be better. It would be even better if the movie's success were less known. An experiemnt becomes established. I guess that was bound to happen.

<<So does potter being a goody goody.>> True, too. How about Harry Potter becoming the Black Adder :)

<<In other words, not at all.>> They can add up.

<<Sometimes. Other times its dangerous.>> I'd at least like to know. An open mind involves exploring a less popular route.

<<Woody isn't bad either>> Never really saw his stuff. i don't know if he can compete with Balzing Saddles, The Producers, History of the World, Spaceballs.

<<No, they just can't dance together.>> Batya told me differently. I wish she was here to back me up. Is your family Orthodox?

Todd Jensen> They waited at least six weeks.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Thursday, January 10, 2002 08:29:55 AM
IP: 140.156.6.2

Does anybody besides me think that shopkeepers are getting a little too impatient where holidays are concerned? We've all heard about how Christmas decorations go on sale earlier and earlier each year, but it doesn't even apply to Christmas any more. It's only early January - we're barely into its second week - and already, a few days ago, the grocery store that I regularly do my shopping at has a huge assortment of Valentine's Day candies (and even a few Valentine's Day cookie-cutters) out on the shelves. Can't they even wait until February to start putting them up?

The world is getting stranger all the time.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, January 10, 2002 08:24:07 AM
IP: 63.183.39.214

Hey folks.

Today I finally got to walk around the floor and see booths and get free stuff, which was cool. I put in a few hours at the MacTank booth, but most of the time was spent walking around, seeing cool toys and drooling like a madman.

I finally got to see the Sony Metreon building...it is SOOOOO sweet. Yeah, they make Vaio's, but the building is cool.

A bunch of friends dropped by after the show and we went to dinner. It was nice seeing them again.

I didn't post from the show floor, I just have no time to. Busy keeping myself entertained.

And in other news, I was wrong. My GPA did not go up, despite my fantastic grades. It went down by 0.006, to 3.5 even. Bastards. and I worked my butt off too.

Niamh seems to have caught a bit of the cold from my roommate (not gonna ask how that happened, probably best if you don't either).

anyway, replies

Gside: <<It shows you're committed. Or should be>>: so true. <<6.2 works just fine for me>>: that hardly makes it suck less. <<When was this, and does Gunjack know?>>: When I was in toronto, and I assume he heard the story. <<You'd better believe it>>: And if I don't? <<The vegetarian? He doesn't count. He doesn't even exist>>: My roommate isn't a vegetarian. <>: You clearly don't listen to enough bloodhound gang. <<Or are you going through the separate bookmarks window?>>: That will do it. <<With large drives, that takes a good long time>>: Especially if you're writing to it with another program ;-) <>: Great, now we're all screwed. <<I'd go for a DeLorien, if only to properly accessorize it>>: With a nuclear reactor? <<Do you mean kill the one who has the undead cow, or use my revived cow to kill the fool?>>: Gotta love prepositions. <<if anyone cares>>: We don't. <<that should have been white>>: Who knew? Besides you. <<Filters the blood. Usually for bacteria and dead cells>>: Needs to do alcohol too. <<But will you have a connection in your room?>>: Because that's all that really matters.

Fire Storm: <>: Slick. Still hurt? <<3 weeks? Screw the chickens. Then eat them>>: Sick dude! <<It's the water that is the problem>>: Drink the chickens! <<Keep in mind that they are NOT supposed to make sense>>: To YOU, perhaps. <<the people at the Donner party were WAY ahead of the times>>: LOL! <<Leave my pop alone, man!>>: What does your father have to do with this? <<Imzadi wants me to make one of those for him>>: As long as its shaped like Demona. <<Like who will win the Super Bowl. What the next terrorist attack will be. And when Coke will come out with a grape flavor>>: Name your price. <<it is because that book SUCKED>>: So true. <<all the end users were idiots and moved on>>: But they still need support. <>: Hardly important. <<damned if you do, damned if you don't>>: So true. <<Are you feeling ok>>: ego is part of my normal function. <<They actually did that on an episode of Junkyard wars>>: Sorry I missed that. <<like I can spell>>: I have a lot of fun mocking bad spelling, if you haven't noticed. <<for $1700+? THAT is supposed to replace their standard iMac? Are they gonna still have the CRT iMac? If not, they are losing the possibility for converts. (I am a HUGE opponent to the "All-in-one" systems)>>: I love people like you, who are angry that Apple didn't target THEM. YOU are not Apple's target audience for the iMac. Buy a G4 tower. And check out store.apple.com, so you don't go half-cocked and totally without information before ranting. Apple will still sell their CRT models at 799 and 999. The new iMacs start at 1299, not 17. And what's wrong with an all in one system? Do you have some PCI card that can not be duplicated by a firewire or USB external device? Granted, you can't change the hard drive easily (but you can change it), but you can always add external space. Face it, the iMac isn't for YOU. Hell, I have two hard drives in my machine and 1.5 gigs of ram. And I need a big screen. Obviously, the iMac won't do for me either. But it is undeiably a cool machine. <<Photoshop competition could make version 7 REALLY rock>>: For mac. And it does, I have the beta. <<LM DEFINITELY exists, and I exist in at least a Tyler-sort of way>>: Sure, easy for you to say now. <<Yeah... I miss it>>: why don't you keep using it? <<Instead of going to your parents for the summer, stay here with Coyote!>>: I'm sure they'll love that. <<Religion is weird>>: Understatement of the century. <<A Fan LIVES?!>>: Several, I'd imagine.

Mooncat: <<Payback" which is a Lexington/Fox piece>>: Kinky.

Warpmind: <<for a month I won't be living with my parents, I'll have to pay rent, I'll have to do my own laundry and all... and on the bright side>>: What do you mean? That *IS* the bright side! <<at last I'll live somewhere with a 7-11 within reach>>: Mmmm...nachos. <>: Yes.

Green Baron: <<Hello all you strange folks in the CR>>: You are just jealous. <>: He did!? I have GOT to get into that movie! <<Natalie Portman was not extremely well known>>: WHAT!? <<Samuel L Jackson was really not needed for a bit role, just because he is a well-known actor>>: He will have a larger role later. <>: But with NSync, who knows how close that was. <<because the two didn't really care for each other at first>>: Truly. <<Potter doing it seems clich'e>>: So does potter being a goody goody. <<but in the way a jaywalking ticket matters or a misdemeanor>>: In other words, not at all. <<I'm actually insulted you think I would consider that>>: I didn't mean it seriously. <<until recently I gave up on actually finsing love>>: Been there, done that. <<while contraception is easier, I still wantto learn the more difficult, less fun, natural means. I will still take natural family planning courses to learn eevn if I decide to take the easy way out. Knowledge is a good thing after all>>: Sometimes. Other times its dangerous. <<Mel Brooks is much better at religious parody>>: Woody isn't bad either. <<If we were purely egalitarian and people gotteh same sentence for murder that they did for jaywalking, we'd be a mess>>: I am SO in favor of the death penalty for jaywalkers. <<Orthdox Jews can't have physical contact with those of the opposite sex save spouse and family>>: No, they just can't dance together. <<Anything good in life is weird. Religion, the CR, Wilek, Gside, naughty tales about Scooby Doo and Smurfette>>: Sick. All of them.

DPH: <>: I hear you. Eat when you're hungry. None of those scheduled meals. <<you're telling me to speed things up, I would have to disable the screen saver, too?>>: Kill all processes. It will really help.

Spacebabie: <>: I can't verify that since I can't see you either way. <<Spike having sex with an invisible Buffy>>: I do that every night! <<Where they wear nothing but speedos and take care of me. You know fan me with those large fans, massage my shoulders, hand feed me caramels and do stuff around the house, thus keeping them off the screens>>: Don't you have a sex drive? <<Cybercookies to anyone who can guess this quote>>: Demolition Man?

Mecord: <<Passively maybe... but not actively....>>: Just like every other student on the planet. <<She only assigned 2 stories for the whole semester! Well, at least that may give me some time to write a few things I want to write.>>: Like programs ;-)

Ghost of Reverend Attila: <>: Are you related to Catbert? <<an amusing show from Canada>>: Which explains why it was so lousy. <<Maybe I should become incorporal and watch you two like the pervert I am>>: Why aren't you already? <<A pity I could never get the chance to meet you>>: We'd fight over women. <<If only I were alive to have met you and purred in your lap>>: Vibration, her lap...I dunno...

Winterwolf: <<Looks like I was tricked!>>: Please don't do that to me ;-) <<Then it will be party time!>>: Uh oh... <<Dreamie (okay her parents) had to shell out $110.75 for one Chemistry book and I think $93 for one Math book. O.o Luckily the other classes had small little paperbacks but it was definitely close to how much you spent>>: Don't even start. I average 5-6 HUNDRED DOLLARS A SEMESTER for books.

Greg X: <<one of the classes I did pass, I only attended once. I don't know how I accomplished that>>: I've done similar things. <<another part of me wants Drusilla to return and stake Spike, as a mercy killing>>: Now THAT would be a great way to kill him off. <<Here's an interesting concept: if you don't like it, don't look at it>>: That's not enough for a lot of people. <<YOU THOUGHT WRONG>>: So I see. <<Am I condemned?>>: Yup! Join me!

Jan: <>: LOL! <<it was $120!! Ironically it was a book for his Economics class>>: Ya'll have NO idea what pain is until you have to buy five hardcover engineering books. <<Aaron and Mara are married? whoa, when did this happen and how did I miss it?>>: When Aaron was in New York, they went through some ceremony. Not a legal official marriage, but close enough for non-tax purposes. << really do hate hearing when you talk of driving at such high rate of speed. *sais* I don't care what kind of automobile you are riding in - at that speed you'll be unrecognizable after an accident>>: That's true...but think of the time we save! ;-) <<I'm glad to hear that you and Naim are having a great time!>>: thanks. I'll pass it along. <<has anyone seen Denis online lately?>>: I think he posted in S8 a week ago or so.

Mmmm...tired.

Are you a real student?
-Jeri Ryan, "Boston Public"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, January 10, 2002 03:06:28 AM
IP: 64.161.24.167

Whoops.

Fire Storm> <<But does she come with Vi-Bra-Tor?>>: I wouldn't think so. But maybe the male counterpart would.
<>: But he makes (half) the people happy.
<<Leave my pop alone, man!>>: Not until you admit you're actually drinking soda.
<<Imzadi wants me to make one of those for him!>>: No, he doesn't. Ping isn't an H model, remember?
<<He used to go down and fix all the problems himself>>: But didn't he set the norns to tech support duty?
<<Spleen. And I have no idea what a spleen does>>: Filters the blood. Usually for bacteria and dead cells.

Warpmind> <<at last I'll live somewhere with a 7-11 within reach>>: Congratulations.
<<and a decent netcaf�/laser tag place>>: But will you have a connection in your room?
<<Movies are before the OVAs?>>: It isn't really important, It's just that a group portrait from movie 2 is part of a plot point from the Christmas OVA. It wasn't even important it was a group picture from any place in particular.
<<And... DECCG>>: In case you didn't see what I meant, those are the notes that the aliens and abducted always play (whole up, major third down, octave down, perfect fifth up).
<<And you guys thought my posting frequency was bad BEFORE>>: I'll take that as a no to my question. Shame.

Green Baron> <<Anything good in life is weird. Religion, the CR, Wilek, Gside>>: I'm something good in life? That's news to me.
<<just grab your battle axe and hold up the 7-11>>: But everyone else at the 7-11 has their own battle axe.

Spacebabie> <<Well since I haven?t seen all of Eva yet either>>: But I'm sure you're heard the rumors.

Mecord> <>: Welcome back, then.

And now for a Dylan song that doesn't sound like a Dylan song (even fooled my father, the Dylan junkie). Summer Days.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:35:56 AM
IP: 68.39.9.124

Fire Storm> <>: You should do what we do and keep all your knives dull. Hope it heals quickly though.
<<it would have been the second time to the ER this week>>: So what was the first?
<<No, but I can imagine>>: Actually it was more like a corss between a breastplate and a bustier, with a cigar cutter.
<<But it is more inefficient to fatten them up with the corn or to eat the corn yourself?>>: Fatten them up, of course. while they're being fattened up, they're constatly expending energy just by living. Energy that could be better used keeping you alive.
<<Keep in mind that they are NOT supposed to make sense!>>: As a whole, no, But you should be able to recognize what each piece is supposed to be.
<<But does she come with Vi-Bra-Tor?>>: I wouldn't think so. But maybe
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 11:52:27 PM
IP: 68.39.9.124

Oh, neat bit of info. Seems there is a homosexual scandal breaking out at Liberty University, Jerry Falwell's little indoctrination camp out Lynchburg Virginia.

Isn't ironiy fun?
Skippy The Klingon - [<---Clicky clicky!]
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 11:23:17 PM
IP: 209.245.243.69

Green Baron> <> HEY HeY! I live in the Ozarks, thankyouverymuch. Sheep is not even a common livestock here. Now, cattle, chickens, turkeys, and a few goats... hmmmm...
You don't believe totally in the Bible and yet you totally believe in a bunch of pope type people.. ummm ok. It sounds like you are more of a follower of men instead of a follower of God.
I believe it's really, "once in grace, always in grace" that Baptists believe.

Ravyn> *screams like a girl* GIRLFRIEND!! *high fives* I'm sooo excited for you and Coyote!! =)
Book cost: Michael had to purchase a book (well, I did) and it was $120!! Ironically it was a book for his Economics class O_o

DPH> congrats? At least now your dad won't be around as much to bug you, right? :) I imagine it's kind of hard to accept another woman into the family, though. Do you at least like her and get along well with her?
Ohyeah, how did the job search ever come out? I don't know if I've missed comments/updates from you about it or not.

They arrested a former classmate of mine yesterday. He stole checks and a car from his grandmother... who also happens to be my surrogate grandmother *growls* They wouldn't let me spit in his breakfast cereal this morning. *pouts* It was with pleasure when I took one of the warrants back into the jail area and stood by while the jailer/officer served him with it. I didn't let the ink dry on it. hehe

*blinks* Aaron and Mara are married? whoa, when did this happen and how did I miss it? *blinks again*

Josh> glad you made it back to school safely. I really do hate hearing when you talk of driving at such high rate of speed. *sais* I don't care what kind of automobile you are riding in - at that speed you'll be unrecognizable after an accident.
I'm glad to hear that you and Naim are having a great time! =)

Shadowrider> *hugs* I have faith that you finished your assignments on time :) An email will be heading your way shortly. ;)

Anna went to the doctor today. She's now going once a week... he said that Zach is ready and could be here any day now. Zach has been extremely active these past few days so I think he's becoming restless himself. awwwww! he's such a sweet boy! :D

well, I feel like crud so I'm going to finish up some emails and then call it an early night. I hate having this chest cold stuff... that deep painful icky cough... especially since I've been cracked open like a lobster - the sternum is still very tender. O_O

ok, I need to ask this... has anyone seen Denis online lately?

Richard Millhouse Nixon was the first US president whose name contains all of the letters to spell out "criminal". William Jefferson Clinton was the 2nd one.

Jan
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 08:49:15 PM
IP: 12.110.236.41

Ghost of Rev. Attila --

mrroarr pffssst!!! *glomps her Sekhmet icon jealously while tail lashes and eyes gleam red in the darkness* hissssss!!!

*^_~* but other than that, thanks for the comments... I think.

Thanks Greg, Green Baron, Siryn, MD for the feedback on my art n' story stuff.

Going to watch a vampire documentary now. *^_^* cool beans!!!

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 08:40:26 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Well, this week has been so-so so far. Last week's mini-Gathering was a blast, and I miss everyone. I went into China Town on Monday, had lunch and bought a bootleg copy of "Lord of the Rings". Couldn't find any places selling swords, and I really wanted to buy one. Oh well, I might be going down again next week, so I'll try again.

I also got my college grades, and they were not very good at all. Well, I expected that since this was a horrible semester for me, and I'll do all I can to turn that around this semester. But the funny thing was that one of the classes I did pass, I only attended once. I don't know how I accomplished that.

Oh well, the year is just starting, and I intend for it to be a good one, follwed by an even better 2003.

*** BUFFY SPOILERS ***

I missed last night's episode. And you know what? I don't care. In my opinion this show has dropped so much in quality this season that I no longer care if I miss an episode or much. Hell, even during the really bad season 4 I still cared whether or not I missed an episode.

The nerds are terrible villains, they'd be funny if it was one episode, two at the very most. Not regulars. They are just plain bad.

And as everyone here knows, I think the Spike-Buffy thing is absolutely disgusting, a major slap in the face to both characters. Some would say that Buffy should have more self-respect than to bump uglies with a killer like Spike and I can agree with them, but Hell, Spike should have more self respect than he has been given. He used to be a great character, a major badass, now he's pathetic. A part of me wants this season to end with Spike tearing Buffy's head off and dancing over her remains, another part of me wants Drusilla to return and stake Spike, as a mercy killing.

Oh well, at least I can still enjoy the re-runs of the series. It really should have ended with "The Gift"

And also, there's still "Angel", which still constantly manages to impress me.

*** END BUFFY SPOILERS ***

GUNJACK> <<other forms of expression such as burning the flag or displaying one's genitals in public are far more questionable)>> Nothing wrong with public nudity, and while I would never burn the flag, I love my country, I think people do have the right to burn it. I'm not saying that I would, cause I never would, nor would I ever support it. Let the assholes have their say, I don't have to agree with it. <<And yet, when people express dissapproval with forms of communication they consider harmful and/or distasteful (ie Hollywood, porn, some forms of modern art), they're immediately slapped with the censorship label. Why is that?>> Here's an interesting concept: if you don't like it, don't look at it.

JOSH> << thought people didn't call lines during the RHPS broadway show.>> YOU THOUGHT WRONG ;) <<<<No one else got it>>: Inlcuding Mann, I'm sure.>> Actually he didn't hear it, when we repeated it to him after the show, he got it. <<Worse than Babs?>> No, just different.

GB> <<<> Check <<masturbation,>> Check <<sexual positions outside the missionary,>> Check <<being late to mass,>> Never went to mass <> Check <<petty theft,>> Does finding a wallet full of mnoey and keeping it to yourself count? If so: Check <<and other venial sins.>> Check. Am I condemned?

SJ> <<Spoken like a true liberal.>> A true liberal who wants Giulianni for president? Sorry, but I'm less Liberal than I used to be. <> I think they're just as bad, but that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. <<Ben Affleck as Daredevil>> What?! No! That would be so stupid. I've only ever liked him in Kevin Smith movies (Bartleby was awesome). But outside of Smith movies, I'm sick of him.

LUCAS/N'SYNC> Oh dear Demona (she's my Goddess), NO! Most people have stated opinions I share already, but still. What the Hell? The guy does some good by casting Christopher Lee in his movie, and then goes and does crap like this. Three years ago, I said it could not get any worse after Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar Binks. Well, Lucas has accomplished it. And honestly, that took effort. Lucas, go to your local movie theatre and watch the new Peter Jackson movie. You should try to be more like him.

CONGRADS TO AIMEE AND MITCH!

REVEL> <<Did y'all bow at Terrance's feet like we did to Greg W?>> Nope, it was too cold and too crowded. I got him to sign a picture of Oberon though.

MOONCAT> Looking forward to the rest of the Hunter Prey series. Your fics rock.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 04:18:12 PM
IP: 216.179.5.169

**Winterwolf peeks in**

Hi. I just spent the better part of the morning on a wild goose chase. I went to the Washington State Patrol Office because I had been told I need to go there first if you need to register an out of state vehicle. I get there only to find out that the law has changed and now you go directly to the DMV. Well that was one hour lost. Anyway I knew where the DMV was (or so I thought) and went over there. Over an hour later I discover this is a Drivers License division of the DMV only. Ack! So after all that I just managed to drive around and stand on lines this morning. Now that I've checked the phone book and know where a Vehicle Licensing DMV is I'll be set tomorrow. **crosses fingers**

Josh> <WHAT!> Looks like I was tricked! Or maybe just tired but it seemed like ppl were talking about a new TGS season. ;P

Revel> <Hope to see you both this summer> Then it will be party time!

Ravyn> <only $ 298.00> O.o Ouch! Thank goodness for the library I used to go to called Barnes and Nobles. ;P I also managed to get some books at reduced prices there if I absolutely had to have them. BTW - Dreamie (okay her parents) had to shell out $110.75 for one Chemistry book and I think $93 for one Math book. O.o Luckily the other classes had small little paperbacks but it was definitely close to how much you spent. Not sure if it was a little more or a little less.

Spacebabie> **HUG** Thanks, I'll take all the luck I can get. And if that isn't enough I'm all set to hypnotize interviewers with my brand new pocket watch. **practices swinging it back and forth** ^_^

Well I'm off to pick up Dreamie. **happily daydreams** Bye!

**Winterwolf smiles as he walks out**

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 03:10:56 PM
IP: 172.183.148.128

Meow!!!

I am dead, but the love this CR has for me causes me to live on. I will occassioanlly post when I feel like it. I may be dead but I'm still a selfish cuddly cat.

Mecord> The Baron si not planning on getting married soon. He ahs found love, but due to the nature fo hwo an dhe and his beloved become a couple and some other folks in the CR, he can mention more of it in e-mail. The archives in August will explain much more.

Sapcebabie> That burger line is form You Can't Do That on Television, an amusing show from Canada.

Shinigami> So you and Aaron are married. Good for you, though I wish I could have kissed the bride. Maybe I should become incorporal and watch you two like the pervert I am ;)

DPH> You have a home to yourself. Be greatful.

Coyote and Ravyn> :moons them both for fun::

Doug and Kit> I miss their comments. I wish they weren't driven out.

Imzadi> A pity I could never get the chance to meet you.

Moonkitty> I really like you. If only I were alive to have met you and purred in your lap. Now I'm a ghost and I can't make passes at women like I used to do.
Ghost of Reverend Attila
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 02:13:47 PM
IP: 140.156.6.2

Green Baron>> Am I delusional? or did you mention getting married or something.... Well, okay, I know I'm delusional, but I'm still burning with curiosity. Do Tell!!! Rats. as usual seem to be entering at the end of a theological discusion. Oh, well.

HI EVERYBODY!!!!

I'm sitting in the computer lab between classes with little to do. I hate school. No. On second thought I don't. The word hate isn't strong enough a word for it. I guess I can relate to Demona in some small way. I despise school the way she despises Humans. Only difference is I don't actively plot to rid the world of schools. Passively maybe... but not actively.... };)
I'm on a bit of a gargoyles kick lately. I got a VCR for Christmass (I went backwards and got a DVD player first) so now I'm watching all the Gargoyles episodes I have recorded over the years. Unfortunately I'm still missing some of my favorite episodes. And I think I've watched my tapes so much that they are begining their slow decline into obscurity. But the good news is I finally may finish a gargoyle story or two. My work load for this semester is mainly programming and fiction writing. I don't like my fiction writing teacher. She only assigned 2 stories for the whole semester! Well, at least that may give me some time to write a few things I want to write.

Well, If this pause between classes is a regular occurance, I should be able to drop by more often. I know I haven't been here in a while, but to be honest I think about all of you often. Gee, am I pathetic or what? :) Well, it was good to "see" you all again. I'll be around.
Mecord
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 01:09:11 PM
IP: 129.123.1.63

Hey folks, How has everyone been. My cold is practically gone and well frankly it didn't put up much of a fight.
"I am invinsible!"

Start my class yesterday. American Lit II. This will be pretty cool cause two of the stories we will be reading will also be read by an university in Russia. We will be discussing the works with them via e-mail.

***********Buffy Spoilers***********
Good seeing Willow trying to live without using magic, and its great to see her using the computer to find things like in the days of old.
Invisible Buffy was funny. Loved how she made Delores thinks she was going crazy.
Spike having sex with an invisible Buffy and trying to cover his actions infron of Xander was great. So was Dawn's reaction.
The invisible fight was great as well as Buffy's reaction to who she was fighting.
Jonathon and Andrew I don't have to worry about, but that Warren...
and I know it might be a girl thing but Buffy's new do is adorable.
************END SPOILERS***********************************

Replies.
SJ<<<Daredevil: The Movie: This just in � it�s going to suck.
No surprise, really, since Ben �I�m the only actor in Hollywood, apparently, which is why I get cast in every film in existence� Affleck >>>I have a solution that will make everyone happy. We send all these pretty boys to me. Where they wear nothing but speedos and take care of me. You know fan me with those large fans, massage my shoulders, hand feed me caramels and do stuff around the house, thus keeping them off the screens.<<<LORD OF THE RING WON BEST PICTURE!>>>Ahhh there is some justice in the world.<<<* Jan 29 � �Double meat Palace�: Buffy goes to work at a fast food joint, and suspects that there�s a little more in the burgers than just enriched soy product.>>>�Who do you thinks in the burgers?�~Cybercookies to anyone who can guess this quote.

Crzy<,,Have you seen the entire series?>>>No just the first 13 episodes.

Gside<How does it compare with Eva?>Well since I haven�t seen all of Eva yet either, I can�t really compare. Gawd I need more money.

Winterwolf>>>> Here are your Liv-a snaps and ear scratches. Good luck on the job hunt..

Todd Jensen>>>I saw that comic, Of course I was busy comparing �Zitz� to my brother.

DPH <<I've got a splitting headache for not getting enough sleep.>> I had a similar problem. Try getting 11:00 hour sleeps. I�ve been doing that..

Firestorm>>I hope your hand gets better soon.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 01:01:31 PM
IP: 67.25.50.142

I am handlign things slightly better at home by myself. Unfortunately, I have to remind myself to eat. I do need to catch up on some sleep, sometime this week. My chiropractor visit, that was supposed to be tomorrow, was moved back until Tuesday of next week, because of the doctor. Damn, I could use the adjustment.

Fire Storm - So you understand why I refuse to travel back in time.

Gside <Every time I click a bookmark, I open a new window>: Not for me. Or are you going through the separate
bookmarks window?> The separate bookmarks window, of course. I see the other way, but I want the autoload images button.

Imzadi - <: Disk Scan restarts everytime the hard disk is accessed by another application.> Wait a minute, you're telling me to speed things up, I would have to disable the screen saver, too?

I saw the new season of Battlebots. I noticed they changed the commentators out. I really enjoyed the reference about Ziggo being tested "to prevent a Mauler". I am looking forward to seeing Vlad the Impaler return, but I know he won't win unless some major upgrades have occured. Somehow, I doubt Vlad could stand up to Son of Wyachi. Speaking of Son of Wyachi, I sincerely hope someobdy beats him. The only battlebot I see beating him is BioHazard. In fact, I would suspect BioHazard has been redesigned to be more durable against Son of Wyachi. Also, Son of Wyachi probably has been adjusted to be more effective against BioHazard.

Green Baron - Tradition was made by man. The Bible has to be a higher authority than tradition. The best defense against crazies who misinterpret the Bible is knowing the Bible. <Revelation 12:1 is talking about Mary and that's the main Biblical justification.> I don't think so. <My opinions of "once saved, always saved" would probably offend you.> I can agree to that. All sins are equal to God, but some carry more punishment than others.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 12:53:54 PM
IP: 204.94.193.67

Hello all you strange folks in the CR.

Wilek> <<Well they had a cool name. :P>> Baptists and Anabaptisst do not have a lot in common. Baptists along with the Church of Christ came into existence during the Second Great Awakening in 1830. They were mainly in the Southeastern US and broke off from Presbyterians (Andrew jackson was a Presbyterian but would have probably been a Baptist if bron after 1840). Baptists by their name believe in adult baptisms, while Presbyterians baptise infants. The Anabaptists did teh same thing and that's all they have in common with the modern day Baptists. Anabaptists belive in pacifism and of course adult baptisms, as well as a strong sense of egalitarianism that can appear socialistic. Quakers, Mennonites, and Amish would be counted among anabaptists abd tehse were the sane sects. There were soem that were cults including one guy who let hismelf be arrested as he awaited the end of the world and naotehr guy who took over a European town and declared himself teh new King David; he also had many wives and was crushed by more sane elements of Christianity.

<<With a marmoset who owns a wide variety of sharp edged kitchen apparel?>> Have you been watching I, Claudius?

Star Wars movie> Well, in taking from the original trilogy, most of teh actors shoudl eb largely unknown. In Star Wars, the only two actors with any previous celebrity status were Sir Alec Guniness and James Earl Jones. Harrisson Ford got his start here and Mark Hamill became a porno star. IN Phantom Menace, Ewan MacGregor got his start and Natalie Portman was not extremely well known. Haley Joel Osmond got the Harrisson Ford effect, but let's see if it lasts beyond puberty. Liam Neeson as the Alec Guiness character may have been good, too, but Samuel L Jackson was really not needed for a bit role, just because he is a well-known actor. Another problem facing the Phantom Menace was the original Star Wars was an experiment and no one could do more than speculate the phonemenon it generated. 20 years later, we have an established fandom and teh original trilogy becoems movie for a new generation. It is established and not a risky venture. That alone is part of why we won't have the same fond memories of thsi set fo moveis liek we did for the first. I alos think taht less imagination was poured into this one, because Lucas knows it will sell well, just because of the name. I will of course see teh second movie and see what happens with it. I am gald Leonardo Di Caprio is not in it. Unknown quality is the best market to choose for Satr Wars actors as it stays true to tradition and it proves less expensive.

Christine> <<just so's you aren't expecting some sort of Talopean crash course as a bachelor party gift! <g>>> I am stil curious about the wedding presnet. By the way, I want Becca to be flowergirl ;)

<<Hermione Does Hogwarts has better alliterative appeal ...>> I see you forming ideas already. I wonder if Rwoling will even touch on such subjects in later books. It woudl be more ironic to see her and Weasly pair up in later years, because the two didn't really care for each other at first.

<> Ron seems more likely, but it would be even funnier to see that forgetful kid try something like that.

Imzadi> <<Don't you dare make Potter a goody-two-shoes!>> Potter doing it seems clich'e. I doubt he'd use it so frivolously, when he can really use his powers to learn whether to go long or short on Euro contracts and get revenge on his adopted family for the crap he had to put up with.

<<If a sin doesn't matter, then its not a sin.>> They do matter, but in the way a jaywalking ticket matters or a misdemeanor.

<> I'm actually insulted you think I would consider that. I marry for love and compatibility, though until recently I gave up on actually finsing love. I'm glad to know love si still prossible for me.

<<Mapping the menstural cycle is, I believe, acceptable by the church, but it takes a REALLY long time to get it accurate. That, and things like stress and other stuff can drastically affect it. So its not very reliable. Rubbers+Birth Control is where it's at.>> Yes, mapping a menstrual cycle is very acceptable and while contraception is easier, I still wantto learn the more difficult, less fun, natural means. I will still take natural family planning courses to learn eevn if I decide to take the easy way out. Knowledge is a good thing after all.

<<Faith that a bunch of PEOPLE, who we know to be falliable, will be correct all the time? Bad idea.>> Negative. I have faith that a Council's decision about which books composed the Christian Bible is infallible. It is only on the theological decisions rendered by the Council that I reagrd as gospel truth (yes, pun was intended). I won't second guess the Council of Nicea on issues relating to that counsil unless I deciide to become some non-Christian who still worships Jesus.

<<One of the greatest movies ever.>> I think Apocalypse Now and the Godfather are far superior, though as comedies go, Mel Brooks is much better at religious parody.

<<At least I'd be clear on what was going on.>> Think of sins like crimes. You even once told me the sins I've committed were the moral equivalent of parking tickets. If we were purely egalitarian and people gotteh same sentence for murder that they did for jaywalking, we'd be a mess.

<<Why?>> If a Christian cannot accept their judgment, then the Bible loses its validity. As for anyone else its their chocie.

<> If I recall, Orthdox Jews can't have physical contact with those of the opposite sex save spouse and family. I knwo Woody Allen used the stereotype of a young Jewsih man with a domineering mother and being sexually repressed, which is also a godo stereotype of Irish Catholics, except we also face the business end fo a nun's ruler for misbehacing as children, at least in the days when discipline was important.

Fire Storm> Anything good in life is weird. Religion, the CR, Wilek, Gside, naughty tales about Scooby Doo and Smurfette :)

Warpmind> Well, you should enjoy the experience. And if yo come short at the end of the month, just grab your battle axe and hold up the 7-11. Tell them you had a plunder rush :)

Niamhgold> May I see the pictures?

Man, so few posts. I guess that's part of being six hours ahead.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 12:40:24 PM
IP: 140.156.6.2

*Warpmind strolls in, going over a list (and checking it twice).*
Hi, gang. Just got meself assigned to an evaluatory course in the Bergen area. Which means, for a month I won't be living with my parents, I'll have to pay rent, I'll have to do my own laundry and all... and on the bright side, I'll be living in such a civilized location, the nearest 7-11 is only a five-minute walk away. You heard me - at last I'll live somewhere with a 7-11 within reach! (And having the approximate same distance to Avalon (my regular gaming store), my tobacconist and a decent netcaf�/laser tag place, life's gonna be pretty good. :)

Gside: Movies are before the OVAs? Thanks for the warning. *Swaps the two discs in the folder.* And... DECCG, and no, no mashed potatoes. But I feel a strange urge to build model railroads... Uh... and... um... yeah, that website, yes.

Josh: No, I've never been an undefeated winner... But, if I lose next contest, and win the one after that again, I WILL be a defeated winner... capisce? ;)

Christine: Where to find that story? Well... Once the next site update is done, it should rest safely next to my other stories there... And no, I'm not linking there. There are minors present. You'll have to settle for ambiguous hints. };)

Wilek: "I am aroused by the thought of being devoured by macro tentacled hermaphrodites", you say? So you've been looking at Ferris' stuff again, huh? };)

Gunjack: Gun writeups, you say? It doesn't mention a certain little 4.2mm handgun, with some assembly required? };)

Wilek: Just got the title sequence done? Dude... a tip: make a blank map for the title sequence, work on-and-off on that, WHILE you work on the rest. That way, you can get ideas from the main plotline, both text-wise and effects-wise. And now to brag at my RM2K skills: I have made a ChronoTrigger-ish location name system, with the white title appearing overhead when you stand at an entrance to somewhere, AND I've coded a level-less, GURPS-based system for exchanging XP to various stats. NYAH! ;p (Tutorial for the latter SHOULD be available on Don Miguel's website soon.) And congrats on getting that Cthulhu Plushie. Cute little cephlapoid god, ain't he? };)

Well, that about ends my post... Later, everyone; I've got packing to do. So many decisions to make before Saturday, when I leave... *Sigh* And you guys thought my posting frequency was bad BEFORE! :(
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 10:14:33 AM
IP: 193.216.45.160

A Fan -- I hope to have part one of Avatar Wars out in Febuary. =)

Right now I'm working on a short bit for Hunter Prey, then I want to launch my long put off Jezebel series and a string of other fics I want to get rolling. I'm shooting for at least a chapter of each per month starting Febuary. *crosses fingers*

My upcoming fics besides Avatar Wars and Jezebel will be "Payback" which is a Lexington/Fox piece, "The Dragon Portal" an AU version of Robin Canmore drags the Gargoyles cast through a series of Alternate Universes, "Time Dancer" where the daughter of Demona and Brooklyn shows up trying to perserve the timeline that results in her existence, and a few others I will try to get to this year.

But my Immortal Blood series, which Avatar Wars is the next section of, will alternate with Jezebel as my main on-going fics for sure. And somewhere in all this I want to do some more artwork...

But right now I think I'll take a cat nap >^,,^<

*dreams a little dream of helping Spike 'exercise'...*

Thanks for asking *^_~*
Mooncat
>^,,^<
"Let me rest in peace, let me get some sleep..." -- Spike's song, Buffy the musical.
Mooncat
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 05:32:50 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Hey all. I cut my f$%&ing hand tonight with a bread cutter. Thought I needed stitches. Sucks, because it would have been the second time to the ER this week.

Gside: 
No, but I can imagine...
<There are many assumptions that don't need to be dealt with to understand the crux of the problem.>
I know. But the devil is in the details.

3 weeks? Screw the chickens. Then eat them. I was thinking more long term. Anyway, the human body can pretty much survive without food for 3 weeks. It's the water that is the problem.
<The main point is that the chickens inefficiently convert corn to energy and energy to eggs.>
Ah. I see. But it is more inefficient to fatten them up with the corn or to eat the corn yourself?
<Heck my circuit diagrams barely make sense.>
Keep in mind that they are NOT supposed to make sense!
<Nah, we just found out about Xing Chan, the Taiwanese knockoff>
Ah.. good 'ole H++! But does she come with Vi-Bra-Tor? (I find it wierd that he is a Autobot and not a Decipticon)
<Edible best friends. A concept whose time has come.>
Man... the people at the Donner party were WAY ahead of the times, eh?
<Heretics all>
Leave my pop alone, man!

Gunjack: <KILLER DOLLS, you pervs, not "Killer Love Dolls"!>
Aww... take all the fun out of it!
<You guys've been staring at Ping too long, I swear...>
Remember: Imzadi wants me to make one of those for him!

Imzadi: <You do too?>
Oh yes. There are many things I do know. Like who will win the Super Bowl. What the next terrorist attack will be. And when Coke will come out with a grape flavor.
<Just ask any college student>
Oh yeah. I had SO much trouble remembering much from "Catcher in the Rye." Of course, it is because that book SUCKED!
<God is a tech support operator?>
Na. Not any more. He used to go down and fix all the problems himself, but then he found out that all the end users were idiots and moved on.
<What's a speen?>
Spleen. And I have no idea what a spleen does, other than get removed most of the time on Trauma: Life in the ER.
<True. There'd be no way to cook the chickens. The corn probably wouldn't hurt you though. So I guess you'd just have to eat the corn, and then die>
Yeah. Unless it is dry corn, which you really can't eat.
Not that the human body ever did digest corn very well.
MExcept your best friend is a chicken, not a volleyball, and eventually you have to eat him>
I am reminded of the episode of the SImpsons with Homer's pet lobster! ;)
(OMG, the end to that episode was SO f$cking funny!)
<The flesh, I think, would provide the most energy. However, without a way to cook it, it would kill you>
Yeah... damned if you do, damned if you don't.
<See, and I'm not an artist, but I *KNOW* that I kick ass. Just not at art>
Hmm... positive way of looking at it. Are you feeling ok?
<That's like the sidewalks I hear about where you can fry an egg>
They actually did that on an episode of Junkyard wars
<A really easy problem, but funny because it was intel>
Ah. I see. Intersting at the very least.
<What does it sign? Is it for deaf people?>
Oh, like I can spell! it sings songs like "Is that all" and some other things.
<That would make MUCH more money than episode 2!>
Oh yeah. As long as one of the guys is NOT dressed up as Chewbaka.

Well, the only one I could think it may actually be is... Spike.
<New Flat-Panel G4 iMac with 15" display, boasting up to 800 MHz G4>
I am completely not impressed. Yeah, it's small and all, but for $1700+? THAT is supposed to replace their standard iMac? Are they gonna still have the CRT iMac? If not, they are losing the possibility for converts. (I am a HUGE opponent to the "All-in-one" systems)
<because Photoshop is something Apple should target directly, if for no other reason than to get them moving.>
Mmm... Photoshop competition could make version 7 REALLY rock!
<I'm not ready to add them to my list of people that exist>
Well, LM DEFINITELY exists, and I exist in at least a Tyler-sort of way.

Let's see...
Pop machine, 1000 EKG electrodes, arc welders, 3 battery backups, various CNC components, part of a jet engine... and a fully working web server complete with 2 WORKING static IP addresses!
<4.7 was a great piece of software, relatively speaking>
Yeah... I miss it.

DPH: <Thankfully or not, the note didn't say when and where I got caught by the Time Enforcers nor when and where I prevented myself from being a Time Enforcer>
Ah... predetermined fate. I always hated that. (Lousy Fates... they never helped ME!)

Been there... It's all about the processor. Hell, it takes a few hours for my system to go through the 4 drives.

Ravyn: <Sorry we kept missing you every other time, though. I'll be sure to come back that way again sometime, and hopefully I can catch ya more then ... and we can do the double-date thing!>
Hey, your welcome back any time! Instead of going to your parents for the summer, stay here with Coyote! ;)
How went the apartment hunting?

Green Baron: <They strip away grace, but never destroy it>
Religion is weird.

Wilek: <If your blood cells can survive in that environment, there has to be a foreign microbe that can do the same. (Assuming of course you have blood cells>
From what I know about my physiology, there are few 'living' cells in my species bodies. And nutrients are passed through the blood, it's just that we don't need alot of them.
<Perhaps it's along the lines of a lead-acid power cell?>
Na. The acid reacts to most matter in the wrong way. Hell, it takes nearly a cup of baking soda to neutralize a single drop of Hierarchy blood.
<Of course, this all assumes you evolved rather than were engineered; from what I've seen, this may not be a safe assumption...>
None of my kind that I have met knows the answer to this, but I believe we were engineered, possibly from a virus.
Well, if you want to know more, there is always that interview.
<Ironic coming from a xenomorph>
Only DRONES are like that.

A Fan LIVES?!?
Fire Storm - [<--- Death.... (I *LOVE* that sound from "Black and White"!)]
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 03:23:16 AM
IP: 64.109.143.22

Hey Mooncat, when is the first chapter of The Avatar Wars due out?
A Fan
CA, USA
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 02:47:41 AM
IP: 198.81.16.33

If anyone cares, that should have been white.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 02:43:49 AM
IP: 68.39.9.124

Imzadi> <>: It shows you're committed. Or should be.
<<Be warned, it sucks>>: 6.2 works just fine for me.
<<I've hurt your bum enough as I recall>>: When was this, and does Gunjack know?
<<Something about that bod, I'd imagine>>: You'd better believe it.
<<Good god, you are twice as heavy as me>>: Evil laugh.
<<My roommate would disagree>>: The vegetarian? He doesn't count. He doesn't even exist.
<<Who cares? They're norweigan lesbians!>>: I thought everyone was after the swedes.
<<But if it could fly already, it probably wouldn't need the boost>>: Not need, but make it easier. And give it a bit of coersion to start.

DPH> <<Every time I click a bookmark, I open a new window>>: Not for me. Or are you going through the separate bookmarks window?
<>: A thorough scan checks whether every single bit on the drive holds written data. So it has to read, write, read (and compare), and write one more time for every single point on the drive. With large drives, that takes a good long time.

Green Baron> <<Ultimately, you have a strange sense of humor>>: Thank you.
<>: No, he is in a class all by himself.<<That would be a fun contest, though>>: I think it would be, too.

Wilek> <>: You should probably meet Glemph before you give them orders to terminate indiscriminately.
<<Wilek gives one of those long, slow, twisted grins, and then lets loose with shrieking laughter that he can't contain anymore>>: I had not thought it possible, but I do believe I have given him an idea.
<<Like a washed-up boxer who's turned to street fighting?>>: Nah, like a masked pretty boy with a claw. I've been leaning towards Japenese labeling lately.
<<Like this: [The futon comes to life and begins vomiting rubber chickens while beating the credenza to death with a flower arrangement.]>>: Pretty much, though the chickens usually lay eyeballs.
<<Over something so minor?>>: Of course. Don't get me started on Jimmies.
<<The Dreamcast emulator Nightmare>>: And other innumerable false emus.
<>: I'd go for a DeLorien, if only to properly accessorize it.
<<Kill the fool with the undead cow!>>: Do you mean kill the one who has the undead cow, or use my revived cow to kill the fool?
<<Are these along the lines of the Mannequins from Silent Hill 2?>>: My original thought was the Marionettes from Devil May Cry.
<<whips out a vial of mutagen and goes out in search of DC>>: Eh, there's already a Heitouenniichuan, and that lets us torture him in two forms without having to mix up caustic chemicals each time.

Imzadi> <<he says to say hi>>: Well, I say Hi back.
<<Do us a favor and don't challenge him>>: Aw.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 02:43:22 AM
IP: 68.39.9.124

Hey all.

First, Nimahgold says that she's on a posting break (I'd imagine until she gets back to her house in the boonies of New England), and she says to say hi. She and I are having a pretty good time at MacWorld Expo.

Woke up this morning at about 1030, and it took all four of us 1.5 hours to shower and everything, so we got to expo late, and I was late to work...and my boss didn't give a rat's butt. I was at the MacTank booth pretty much the whole day, handing out cards and saying "Tech Support for Macintosh" and answering various customer questions. I took a one hour break to go to the Apple booth to play with the new goodies and try and talk to some hardware people about getting internships. I failed on the latter. Few people were in hardware at all, and those that were clearly had no interest in talking.

I got to see Steve Jobs and Jonathan Ive though. I've grown up with a lot of people who are famous/important, and celebrities generally don't phase me (unless they're HOT). But it was really frikkin cool seeing them. Ive, for those of you who don't know, is the industrial designing genius behind both iMacs, the iPod, and the cube. He seems like a really cool guy.

Niamhgold spent most of the day doing two things: drooling at the Adobe booth and covering up the fact that she's a PC user. She does both very well, from what I can see.

But I spent most of the day at the MacTank booth. I'm gonna go around the expo floor tomorrow and see everything, and really only work for a few hours if I can.

After the expo closed at 6, Niamhgold, my friend Ian, and I went to a dinner at a nice place with my boss and another guy that worked for MacTank. Everyone is really cool (my boss is ten times cooler in person than on the phone - I really hadn't met him until today), and we're having a great time. The restaurant was really good and we had good conversation. Even the non-mac user (Niamh).

Then we hitched a cab back to Berkeley, and here I am posting.

Good news is that whatever was bothering me yesterday seems to be gone.

Replies!

DPH: <>: That's all? <>: 4.7 was a great piece of software, relatively speaking. <>: Disk Scan restarts everytime the hard disk is accessed by another application. <<Only you would think of ways around that>>: Money is my business ;-) <<Acquiring material to blackmail people with>>: True true.

Green Baron: <<Not all sins are equally bad, plus sins can be forgiven>>: If a sin doesn't matter, then its not a sin. <<Why do you think I use the loophole of a wife who isn't Catholic>>: I hope you're not marrying her for solely that reason. <>: Mapping the menstural cycle is, I believe, acceptable by the church, but it takes a REALLY long time to get it accurate. That, and things like stress and other stuff can drastically affect it. So its not very reliable. Rubbers+Birth Control is where it's at. <>: I don't remember the jews trying to repress naughty thoughts...but then again I'm not orthodox either. <>: Faith that a bunch of PEOPLE, who we know to be falliable, will be correct all the time? Bad idea. <<it wasn't soem silly bit fo fluff like Dogma>>: One of the greatest movies ever. <>: Do us a favor and don't challenge him. <<the Council of Nicea is above reproach>>: Why? <>: LOL. <>: At least I'd be clear on what was going on.

Wilek: <<The suddenness of it didn't leave me time to study the Mac scene (Sorry Imzy; probably next time :/ ), so I was forced to get a PC>>: ACK! You should have called me immediately! Just LOOK at those new iMacs! <<At least it's a good PC>>: Well, as a dutiful friend and mac user, I will supply you with whatever information you need for next time. <<How did it look? Like a washed-up boxer who's turned to street fighting? (Well *someone* had to say it>>: That's not funny. <<Wooks are cool>>: And they rip people's arms off. <>: LOL. <<No one's penis is qualified to make decisions>>: Mine is! <<I'm talking being consumed like that unfortunate person in the Rancor pit in Episode 6>>: I see. My bad. <<It's also my right to castrate them with a belt sander while singing La Traviata>>: No its not. But it is your right to want to ;-) <<"Proven" technique? Is there some manner of regulatory oversight commission for these things?>>: Actually yes. It consists of me. And any chicks I get to play with ;-) <<Hope that's nothing serious>>: Well its not there anymore. <<You really want *me* to answer that?>>: No. <<What if it's not Lucas we should be condemning...?>>: We expect kids to be stupid. Not adults. We expect kids to be into pop culture. We expect adults to be interested in not pissing off their customers. <<come to think of it, no I don't in fact want to know>>: Its relatively straight forward, actually. <<Wilek kills several million people with an ice cream scooper>>: There's an interesting image. <<Minor infractions, as Phil, The Prince Of Insufficient Light, calls them. Misdemeanors basically>>: LOL, I'm surprised you know Phil.

Skippy: <<you might want to sign this online petition>>: Done.

Revel: <>: yeah pretty much.

Ravyn: <<it's that time of year again>>: Winter? <<only $298.00 for everything>>: I wonder if I'll be able to get away with that this semester. <<One of these years, I bet you will>>: Yeah, probably not. <<they exist, and I saw 'em ... and you would *not* believe half of the weird things that Fire Storm has in his basement. Seriously>>: I bet I would. <<Good luck whenever you start school ... and good luck with the whole major thing>>: Thanks, I'll need it. <<we're not really going to do anything until I'm out of school at least, so dang it, I have another two years or so>>: Good. Niamh and I were worrying that you'd gone completely nuts.

Christine: <<Ron sneaking the cloak out of Harry's trunk>>: Don't you dare make Potter a goody-two-shoes! <<has better alliterative appeal>>: Geez, you're absolutely right. I can't believe I didn't think of that. Clearly, you've been in smut much longer than I have ;-)

Okay, trying to crash.

Bork bork bork.
-Mike Margolis

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 02:26:22 AM
IP: 64.161.24.93

Wilek -- As I said, they improved the sci-fi channel lineup ;)

silvadel
Wednesday, January 9, 2002 12:25:25 AM
IP: 207.207.250.233

Todd > well, of COURSE someone's going to use that Invisibility Cloak for such purposes ... I would hardly have been the first. 'cept I'm going to have it be Ron sneaking the cloak out of Harry's trunk ; )

Josh > Hermione Does Hogwarts has better alliterative appeal ...

Green Baron > just so's you aren't expecting some sort of Talopean crash course as a bachelor party gift! <g>

Ravyn > LOL, well, it's something to think about anyway!

What a night. Had a couple of drunk/stoned residents decide that they could better thaw a lump of frozen hamburger that was roughly the size of a human head by repeatedly throwing it on the floor, the idea being to break it into smaller chunks that could then be microwaved. Sounded like a bowling ball and damn near cracked the tiles. More fun in the monkey house.

Time for Battlebots, new season starts NOW!!!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 09:54:19 PM
IP: 64.24.186.172

Howdy again! Writing you all from beautiful Tucson, Arizona ... yep, it's that time of year again ... I start Spring classes in the morning. Grr!!! Believe me, I'd rather be quite a few other places than here *cough* Michigan *cough* ... :) But I'm gonna show a few more classes who's the boss ... ;)

Went to get my textbooks not too long ago too. They had all but one of my books in, and the total was the cheapest I've had yet ... only $298.00 for everything. ;)

Replies! :)

Wilek> <<'Tis great though; congratulations!>> Thank you!! :) I must say, a lot of this is due to you ... so thank you for that too. :)

Josh> <<Lucky devil. I wish I could have a happy new years.>> One of these years, I bet you will. <<I'm not ready to add them to my list of people that exist.>> Well, they exist, and I saw 'em ... and you would *not* believe half of the weird things that Fire Storm has in his basement. Seriously. ;) <<Ack I'm sorry! Let me know if you need any help. Who knows, I may be switching to YOUR major sometime soon.>> Ack! Good luck whenever you start school ... and good luck with the whole major thing. Could you be another convert to mechanical engineering? Heh heh ... ;)

Christine> <<congrats>> Thank you!!! :) <<dare we hope the big day will be scheduled to coincide with G2004? We have GOT to get Greg to conduct a ceremony one of these years!>> Hee hee!!! You're right, we've got to get Greg to do that sometime ... that would be fun! Considering he's basically responsible for all of this too ... ;) But no date's anywhere near being set ... we're not really going to do anything until I'm out of school at least, so dang it, I have another two years or so. :( But we're kinda promised to each other, you know? :) As for if the ceremony will be at G2004 ... you know, I really have no idea. Might want to talk to Coyote on that one ... the ring thing was his idea. ;)

Winterwolf and Dreamie> <<Congratulations from me and Dreamie to both of you.>> Thank you so much! :) I appreciate it. You both are still sweet. ;)

Off to get ready for school tomorrow! :(
Ravyn
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 08:03:46 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Ahhhhh, break time. We've been working on the house siding all day and you can tell we are not professionals. "How do you know if the stud is rotted?"
"If it squeals then it's still alive."
This is about the point that my brother and I stare blankly at our Dad.

Winterwolf- glad you had fun in NY, so did I, but I can also understand how important it is to get back to two awaiting arms. Hope to see you both this summer.

Congrats to Pogo and Aimee, saw them this summer, but didn't really get to meet them, oh well.

Josh- I imagine going to Mac World for you is about the same for me when I walk into a Harley shop. I love to just think about them.

Greg- Did y'all bow at Terrance's feet like we did to Greg W?

Well that's about it, I get paid tomorrow so that's a treat.

*Goes and waits in the corner for a certain someone to join him*

"Oops?! What do you mean oops?"

-What we said a lot today-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 07:18:32 PM
IP: 172.136.116.25

For those who are totally opposed to the NSync thing, you might want to sign this online petition...
Skippy The Klingon - [<---- Edit *NSync out of Star Wars]
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 07:16:29 PM
IP: 209.245.243.53

**LITTLE SCENE**

[The camera opens on three Japanese schoolgirls walking home on a lonely January evening, snow drifting from skies of boundless grey to the sidewalk below. The girls's jackets fail to keep out the biting cold; they shiver, noting the patterns their foggy breath makes in the chill air. Suddenly they stop, looking around like a deer scenting a predator...which then strikes! Reality shifts and folds in pockets around them, and from each of half a dozen pockets emerges a tentacle, snakelike, an eight-taloned 'hand' at the end of each surrounding an orifice dripping with acid vomit! The girls draw back in horror, standing back to back so any will see an attack coming...then put on a little horror show of their own. Flesh distending as if something is trying to escape, the girls explode, synthflesh, blood, and tattered clothing flying everywhere, revealing metallic skeletons that unfold into pointy, wicked-looking enforcer droids, two of them bearing faceted jewel-like black armor, the third wearing red. The crimson machine unfolds Tekkaman Blade-esque engine wings and hovers above and to one side of the ensuing melee that the ebon bots have now started with the horror from beyond space, their claws slashing, antigravs and celerity tanks allowing them blinding speed. The blood-hued enforcer, choosing its moment in the tangled fracas, now lets loose with powerful twin arm-mounted flamethrowers, its fireproof sisters caring not a whit, but the beast emitting hypersonic shrieks of purest agony. The tentacular being thus distracted, the three assume equidistant positions around the area of its manifestation and hold out their arms in a cruciform manner. The interstices of their armor emit unnatural light, and a zone of distortion forms around all of the tentacles' origin points. The zone collapses, sucking in all the space and light within it into a single geometric point, then explodes into a blinding flash of light and a small tidal wave of ichor that the tentacles were pulped into as their eleven-dimensional tensor fields collapsed back into four dimensions. Their task complete, the machines fold back into more human sized and shaped forms and await further instructions...from Wilek, who has just now decloaked and and is walking, applauding, in the direction of the robots. "Excellent, excellent! <chuckles evilly> With such defenses in place, I think the Zen'Krathi--" the newly discovered identity of the archetypal tentacle beasts-- "will think twice before laying claim to MY world..."]

**END LITTLE SCENE**

Hello, DC. My name is Wilek Nereus. You killed my e-mail and my PC. Prepare to...no. Death would end your pain. We can't have that. I will enter studies of torment. When I return, you will be here waiting to pay for your crimes. Heaven help you if you aren't.
Yes, that's why I haven't posted lately. My computer has taken a rather precipitous slide down the porcelain. The suddenness of it didn't leave me time to study the Mac scene (Sorry Imzy; probably next time :/ ), so I was forced to get a PC. <sigh> Derailed by circumstances yet again. At least it's a good PC (NVidia GeForce 3, w00t!). Devours RealMyst like nobody's business. ^_^
On the upside, my Christmas presents included Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2, Stretch Panic, Dario Argento's Suspiria, and a Cthulhu plushie. Oh, and it FINALLY snowed. YEEEEEEE <bounces around> ^_^

Niamhgold> <> It's great. Warning: Avoid all spoilers. There's a MAJOR plot twist right in the beginning that you DO NOT want revealed.

Jewel> Welcome back! ^_^ Hope it's permanent. :)

Warpmind> <<How many here were NOT sloshed by the end of the year?>> Yo. I've never seen the appeal of it, really. <> RPG Maker? I FINALLY got mine's title sequence done... O_o' Ye gods, tens of gadzillions of buttons and switches and levers and thingies...this kind of thing is why real-time strategy and PC RPGs make me feel like my brain is shrinking. O_o

Gside> <<Nah, Smash Squared. I can just see Sabin taking down Cap Falcon.>> W00t. Perhaps Edea laying waste to Pichu. And the end boss could be Giga Kefka. ehe <<<Wilek, you said you were going to try to be better.>> We've seen what fate had in store for THAT. >:/ <<They were wondering hwy you were walking backwards.>> Is he from the Black Lodge? I am the arm, and I sound like this! BLBLBLBLBLBLBLBL! (Oh you said *w*alking.) <> [Wilek gives one of those long, slow, twisted grins, and then lets loose with shrieking laughter that he can't contain anymore.] <<Couldn't tell you when, but it just seemed to click with me.>> No comment. O_o <<Just from how nice the Balrog looked>> How did it look? Like a washed-up boxer who's turned to street fighting? (Well *someone* had to say it.) <<Stranger things have happened in here.>> Like this: [The futon comes to life and begins vomiting rubber chickens while beating the credenza to death with a flower arrangement.] <<Heretics all.>> Over something so minor?

Terrky> <<but the first ones take place some time in the future, so, shouldn't all the technology not look more advanced than the origonals had been?>> See http://www.theforce.net/swtc/tpm/tpmtech.html#techstatic <<and again, why make prequals to a great movie that everyone already knows the outcome of???>> Sometimes the path is of greater importance than the destination. <<anyone else got that game?>> Myst 3 rocks. Haven't played it much yet, but I like what I've seen. I adore the soundtrack. My GODS, the main theme...<<if i had to be stuck somewhere for twenty years, id prolly choose Edanna.>> I'd prefer Voltaic, or Amateria if I could install a transit/defense system on those tracks. Besides, with my luck, Edanna, though pretty, would be infestated with bugs and would set off my allergies if I tried to live there. O_o

Metaldemon> <<As for being a wooky...HMPH.>> Tis not exactly a bad thing. Wooks are cool. ^_^

Imzywimzy> <<Are there any FAKE PC programs.>> The Dreamcast emulator Nightmare. <<My list of cars to own when I conquer the planet is now...large.>> I want a Lamborghini Countach. Well, I would if I were significantly smaller and thus able to get into the thing. O_o <<Between my brain, my gut, and my penis, I have enough trouble making a coherent decision.>> No one's penis is qualified to make decisions, and the gut is best used as a general alert rather than the final arbiter. <> Have you ever watched them feeding in low light on a black and white screen? I'm told it's quite creepy. <<does it count if your character is *not* the one involved in the porn?>> That would be fun! "MMMMMMMMMMMMMGGGNNNGNNGN--hey, who's the blue guy?" "Re'tien v'naa tai'sei'aan! <summons Yog Sothoth>" <<It's called multiple points of stimulation dude, and its a PROVEN sexual technique.>> I'm not talking devoured in a metaphorical sense, I'm talking being consumed like that unfortunate person in the Rancor pit in Episode 6. There are people who find that erotic. It's their right. It's also my right to castrate them with a belt sander while singing La Traviata. ("Proven" technique? Is there some manner of regulatory oversight commission for these things?) <<YES! But unfortunately, it would kill any chance of actually FIXING the movie.>> Not if I first telepathically conditioned George into selling me the rights to Star Wars for cheap. Granted, the fans'd hate my Star Wars even more, given what I'd do with it (Lovecrafty and Tim Burtony things would abound), but there it is. <<some weird pain in my abdomen>> Ack. Hope that's nothing serious. O_o <<Why would you ruin a perfectly good gathering with something as boring as a wedding?>> It wouldn't be boring if I designed it. "Kill the fool with the undead cow!" <<What ELSE would you use it for?>> You really want *me* to answer that? >:)

SJ> <<HE WANTS US TO PAY TO SEE A MOVIE THAT HE�S SCREWING UP FOR HIS GODDAMN KID.>> I seem to recall that she was responsible for Jar Jar as well. Exercise of thought: What if it's not Lucas we should be condemning...? <<Just cause you�re Catholic doesn�t mean you can�t experience the Reverse Cowgirl.>> ...come to think of it, no I don't in fact want to know. O_o <<C�MON. If you had to get one my two least favorite actors, couldn�t it have been Matt Damon?>> I don't know, he and Affleck were rather good in Dogma. But then, I've heard rather unfavorable things about what happens to his acting skills under any director other than Kevin Smith...

Fire Storm> <<The acid in my blood kinda wards off infection.>> If your blood cells can survive in that environment, there has to be a foreign microbe that can do the same. (Assuming of course you have blood cells. For all we know, your blood could serve entirely different purposes than nutrient transport. Perhaps it's along the lines of a lead-acid power cell?) Your species couldn't have evolved in a vacuum; there have to be other acid blooded creatures on whatever planet you people are from, and where there are macroscopic life forms, there are microscopic bloodborne parasites. (Hm. Maybe the reason xenos reproduce en masse is that their homeworld contains a predator that consumes xeno eggs en masse...) Of course, this all assumes you evolved rather than were engineered; from what I've seen, this may not be a safe assumption... <<They are performing the Episode 2 theme!>> [Unable to express his opinion of this in words, at least not without filling the room with half a meg of exotic profanity, Wilek kills several million people with an ice cream scooper.] <<What about Orbital bombardment of mutated fish?>> Sounds cool to me! <<Well, sex = life!>> Ironic coming from a xenomorph. <<What are venial sins?>> Minor infractions, as Phil, The Prince Of Insufficient Light, calls them. Misdemeanors basically.

T-Man> <<when Lucas decided to make the abomination called Return of the Jedi!>> You'd prefer David Lynch? <distorted midget voice> That gum you like is coming back in style!

Moochie> Welcome back. ^_^ <<a copy of Adbusters (which is like a mob funeral; clean, neat, beautiful, totally evil...)>> Tell. Now. >8) <<Oh, WIIIIIIIIleeeeek... Shouldn't we be doing something about this? Orbital bombardment? Killer Doll assault? Releasing mutated goldfish into the water supply of a major city?>> All of the above. Hm, Killer Dolls? Are these along the lines of the Mannequins from Silent Hill 2? <<You ARE helping with mine in the event of an untimely death, right? Wilek can too...>> Cool. How bout a Waltz Of Broken Glass? <<Pity I won't be able to watch...>> My necromancers can do something about that. <<Quick, Wilek! Through a pig out the window! ; )>> <whips out a vial of mutagen and goes out in search of DC> <<FYI, a "Killer Doll" is a brainwashed, low-augment (and thus low-cost/investment) assassin optimized for "mass production" with total expendability. Just the thing when you need to eliminate heavily-defended targets without burning up more expensive specops units.>> Ah. Ehh. No style. I'll take the Mannequins.

Silvadel> <<Just a little note that they significantly improved the sci-fi channel daytime lineup...>> So where's Farscape got to? O_o

Ravyn> Welcome back! ^_^ <<so don't ask about the beautiful ring on my finger. ;)>> I won't then. ;P 'Tis great though; congratulations! ^_^

Mooncat> <> Evil how? With viscera and such being flung about? Cult activity mayhap? >:)

Green Baron> <> Flattery will get you a nice padded cell. ;) <<That would be a fun contest, though.>> My gods. Just watching it would remove everyone's sanity. O_o <<Anabaptists who all loved strange mushrooms.>> Well they had a cool name. :P <<Now, I'm off again to enjoy life as it should be enjoyed.>> With a marmoset who owns a wide variety of sharp edged kitchen apparel? :P

=If light is for good, why does it blind you? If dark is for evil, why does it hide you?=
Wilek "The Lunatic Religion" Nereus
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 05:28:55 PM
IP: 168.143.112.110

Hello all you wacky CR dwellers. Six more days and I'm in brand new barracks.

Todd Jensen> Well, I wonder how much they searched for the guy anyway. Beisdes, we are dealing with Puritans. Thank God the 1840s drastically improved the population of New England.

SJ> <<If those are all considered sins by the Church, than I�ll never see the inside of the pearly gates.>> Well, those are venial sins. Not all sins are equally bad, plus sins can be forgiven. Beisdes, aren't you "saved" anyway?

<<You unwrap it, and put one on. Problem solved! Oh, and they cut down on sensation (no matter what line of BS they tell you), but it�s better than getting the HIVvie.>> I'll stick with abstinenece for now.

<<No. NO, no. If you want info, just come to me. I know you want a big family, but the first thing I will do is beat the importance of birth control into your skull. ;)>> I am well aware of the importance of birth control. Why do you think I use the loophole of a wife who isn't Catholic. I am uncomfortable about going against my faith, especially in modern, contemporary American ways. I feel like I'm selling out. I also want to research natural family planning, since it is overall safer. I am curious to learn what you can teach. I imagine Catholics don't hold a monopoly on repressed nauhty thoughts.

<<That�s nothing new. Every now and then you�ll have some feminists show up and try to claim that most of the books of the Bible were actually written by women.>> It doesn't matter. I trust the judgment of the Council wholeheartedly. Its all a part of faith.

<<Cause she isn�t. And no offense, but I take everything that a Pope has said with about 14,000 grains of salt.>> I'd expect that form you. Revelation 12:1 is talking about Mary and that's the main Biblical justification. All rosary mysteries have Biblical quotes to back them up. My opinions of "once saved, always saved" would probably offend you. DPH would definitely find my opinion there offensive.

<<Well, they�ve always taught us Southern Baptists that she was a whore>> I'm impressed our faiths agree on that, considering our less than harmonious history towards each other.

Fire Storm> <<What are venial sins?>> Venial sins are sins taht are not damning, like mortal sins. They strip away grace, but never destroy it, as I learned in Religion class. Plus receiving teh Eucharist can clean teh soudl of venial sins. Mortal sins are much worse and yo are not fit to receive the Eucharist with one of thsoe weighing down on the old soul (though Clinton didn't observe that, not that he coudl receive teh Eucharist anyway, but Lord knows the sins a man like him has committed, plus he doesn't practice Reconicilliation).

The lovely and talented Crazy Demona> I like your pic, btw. I haven't seen Last Teptation. I imagien it is an excellent movie as movies go, because it was Scorcese, but I'd rather he stick to the mob and leave Jesus alone. I bet I would be even angrier, because it wasn't soem silly bit fo fluff like Dogma, but a serious an dprobably well-made movie. I may see it out fo curiousity, but I cna't rent it in Germany anywhere. I don't want to buy it sinc etheat would be subsidizing it. I remember a lot of pople upset about it, including my mother.

Gside> <<@!#$ freak>> Ultimately, you have a strange sense of humor, but I doubt you coudl outweird Wilek the Psychotic :)

That would be a fun contest, though.

Gunjack, favorte squeezietoy of Lain> <<We'll have to debate THAT POV some other time, laddie...>> Be careful calling me laddie, young man. I beleive in teh importance of Tradition and Scripture. i consider Scriptum Solorum heresy an dvery unfortunate that Luther had to do that,e specially when he tore out six books form the Old Testament. H emay have had legitimate grieb=vnaces againts the present church, but the Council of Nicea is above reproach. He even took out the Epistle of St. James, which even later Protestants condemned. A pity, since out of the Reformation leaders I liekd him more than Calvin or Henry VII or the Anabaptists who all loved strange mushrooms.

<<As an aside, however, I'd say that anyone who stayed with such an organization would be something of an idiot.>> Well, not all Popes are perfect, but it si a apckage deal and not a cafeteria.

<<Or perhaps we're already too enlightened to frown on sheep molestation.>> I guess that makes the Appalachian and Ozark mountains very enlightened :)

<<He laid out very specific (and logical, incidentally) instructions for what was right and wrong>> I recall he avoided some topics. He was more concerend about doing what's right.

Imzadi> <<I'm sure it was because she's a woman.>> They rejected St. Thomas's Gospel. I guess sainthood doesn't make you a writer of Gospel truth :)

<<>>: In the it took you to write this sentence, you could have just told us and saved the modem users a buttload of time ;-)>> Well, I wanted to give you the option. The site did more justice than I could.

<<The whole concept of venial sins makes me want to laugh. What a joke.>> I think teh notion of all sins being equal is far more amusing and disturbing.

Metaldemon> Still, it is rather balsphemous to have Jesus accept a temptation. Even if he opts out of it and does teh right thing. The fact that he strayed makes him less than what He is. Being Excommunicated b the Orthdoox Church is pretty bad, since he ain't Orthdoox. It would be like excommunicating Clinton, even though he isn't Catholic. Well, orthdoox and Catholci are closer in unity and in teh Eucharist so I see that more so.

DPH> Tradition is needed fro soem freer interpretations of the Bibel have led to guys liek Bob Jones, jack Chick, that guy in New Mexico, and Fred Phelps. Tradition keeps many of those types in line. A priest pulls that crap and he better look for another job.

Christine> I give you too much credit. I doubt you need to worry about me raising a third world nation. I want to start the foudnation for a dynasty, but not a huge family. I also want a son to become a priest and later a Bishop. I hope I have one who gets the calling. Dynsties need a chaplain.

Mooncat> Naughty..very naughty, I love it :)

Now, I'm off again to enjoy life as it should be enjoyed.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 01:08:08 PM
IP: 140.156.6.2

I find two faults with Netscape 6.0. No autoload images button. Since I only have a 56.6 modem, I surf the 'net with images off to save time and hit that button when I ran across a page full of images. 2nd, the way the damn bookmarks are handled. Every time I click a bookmark, I open a new window. That gets annoying fast and I have tried to look for a way to disable that annoying feature. One online friend told Netscape 6.0 drove him to Internet Explorer.

So, yep, I am sticking to Netscape 4.7.

Ok, can someone explain this to me? I told my computer to start a through hard drive scan at midnight. It didn't finish until 11:13am. The amount of time it took seemed ludicrious. Yep, I have disabled sleep mode on this PC.

Imzadi - <You don't seem to pleased.> If I did not let my dad date, he would have drove me insane [ok, more crazy than I am right now]. He was determined to get remarried and once again I face the consequences if I didn't let him. So, technically, I did not have a choice in the matter if I wanted to remain as sane as possible. <The trick is to contest that they were of sound body and mind.> Only you would think of ways around that. <Harry gets caught trying to sneak into the girls' locker room at Hogwarts with his invisibility cloak>: LOL! What ELSE would you use it for?>> Acquiring material to blackmail people with.

I've got a splitting headache for not getting enough sleep. I just have to figure out how to catch up.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 01:01:18 PM
IP: 204.94.193.51

Howdy folks!

Woke up today nice and late, and Mike told me all about the big announcements at MacWorld Expo. They are:

New Flat-Panel G4 iMac with 15" display, boasting up to 800 MHz G4. HOLY !@#$ that's fast! They're really cool looking too. No more of this candy-flavored gumdrop crap. This is a REAL powerful machine for the price, no bones about it.

iPhoto consumer digital image editing application, which is really just used to create slide shows and photography books...WHICH YOU CAN HAVE KODAK PRINT simply by clicking on a button in the program. Not much power for editing, mainly cropping and red-eye reduction. This isn't supposed to be a photoshop competitor...which is too bad, because Photoshop is something Apple should target directly, if for no other reason than to get them moving.

New 14" iBook, featuring the same specs as the previous top of the line iBook. It just has a bigger screen. Same resolution though, so I guess its for the adults who can't read 1024 on a 12.1" screen.

As usual, you can check out the goodies at apple.com/imac or apple.com/iphoto or apple.com/ibook, respectively. No updates to the professional line, which I'd expect soon. Otherwise, no one will buy G4 towers when they could have an iMac for half the price WITH a monitor.

Other than that, I was feeling pretty lousy today between an upset stomach and a some weird pain in my abdomen. I'll have it checked out next week, because I'm not missing expo FOR ANYTHING short of the planet. I missed it last year and I'm still pissed off. I'm gonna enjoy this.

Niamhgold is my "+1" for all the mac industry parties n' stuff...can't very well leave her to the mercy of my twisted friends now, can I? BTW, she is added to my list of people that exist.

I don't know if it shows I'm dedicated that I keep posting despite having company, or if it just shows that I need help.

replies!

DPH: <<My dad got married over the weekend>>: You don't seem to pleased. Are congratulations in order? <<It's kinda wierd living at home alone>>: But it also rules, trust me. <<The liberal hypocrisy>>: As my father would say "its all the democrats' fault" <<Next time I find something like that, I'll have it emailed to myself, and then forward it to you>>: Muchly appreciated. <<In this day, videotape the will being read and signed with witnesses. It would be hard to argue against that>>: The trick is to contest that they were of sound body and mind. <>: I'm sorry to hear that. Be warned, it sucks.

Ravyn: <>: Silly people. <<that was the greatest New Year's I've ever had>>: Lucky devil. I wish I could have a happy new years. <<It was great to finally meet you guys and hang out at your place!>>: I'll take your word on it, but I'm not ready to add them to my list of people that exist. <<so don't ask about the beautiful ring on my finger>>: alright I won't...yet. <<since I start school on Wednesday>>: Ack I'm sorry! Let me know if you need any help. Who knows, I may be switching to YOUR major sometime soon.

Winterwolf: <>: WHAT!?

Lain: <<when he comes to my house and eats dinner, HE cleans the dishes>>: What kind of a host are you? <<if he wants to eat meat, HE has to cook it>>: That I can appreciate. <>: Their lives...losers. <>: You're just jealous. My toys ROCK. <<makes up for them in other ways>>: When I read this, I could hear Milla Jovovich panting on the TV in my apartment. <<(i wont mention how my bum was feeling, for the sake of poor josh)>>: Thank you, I've hurt your bum enough as I recall. <<was i stating an opinion on a political issue?>>: Now you aren't eligible to be an admin.

Shadowrider: <<Assignment due tomorrow...I was supposed to finish it in holydays, but...oh, well, I'll finish it tonight, will be just a three hours of work>>: I feel so lucky that I don't start for another two weeks. But once I do start...its gonna be hell. <<No need for it!>>: You assume things about my looks and skills that are not in evidence. <<there are not that many things I wouldn't do>>: Oh good, then that frees me! <<automatic transmissions are practically unknown, so you won't find an automatic Ferrari or Maserati>>: I'll just HAVE to learn stick, then! ;-) The last car with a manual that I drove is STILL getting repaired...3 years later ;-) <<THIS is something I wouldn't do...not on a public road, and with other people on board>>: Yeah, so if anything happens, we're dead. But if we don't...we save an hour. Obviously the tradeoff is worth it! ;-) <>: 70 on that highway, and if you go more than 30 above it you get your licensed revoked for reckless driving. But only if they see you ;-) <<In the backseat of my Chevrolet while the radio wows>>: Nah, this was a BMW. <>: Thanks, much appreciated.

Christine: <<one I can't>>: So you've decided to write "Hermione (now age 18) does London" then, have you? ;-) <<get cracking, woman>>: Sure, but she won't kick YOUR ass. <<I'm hardly the one to teach>>: Somehow, I don't think I'd trust the advice of ANY gargoyles fandom member, whether a successful bachelor or married with kids. <<<<scheduled to coincide with G2004?>>: Why would you ruin a perfectly good gathering with something as boring as a wedding?

Todd: <<Harry gets caught trying to sneak into the girls' locker room at Hogwarts with his invisibility cloak>>: LOL! What ELSE would you use it for?

Gside: <<Just from how nice the Balrog looked, and a humorous exageration of how much I appreciated it>>: I'm concerned gunjack took it too seriously. <<Why, Gunjack, I didn't know you felt that way>>: Something about that bod, I'd imagine. <<my official weight today was 229>>: Good god, you are twice as heavy as me. <<Edible best friends. A concept whose time has come>>: My roommate would disagree. <<Specially inported?>>: Who cares? They're norweigan lesbians! <<Bit gives it some initial momentum so it can start easier>>: But if it could fly already, it probably wouldn't need the boost. <<let's distribute it freely, because they were most likely out of it when they started their violent crimes>>: LOL.

Well, its been a long day and I have to get up early tomorrow for MacWorld. I hope to post from the show floor, actually.

F*ck this planet.
-Val Kilmer, Red Planet

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 04:12:00 AM
IP: 64.161.24.93

Gunjack> <<KILLER DOLLS, you pervs, not "Killer Love Dolls"!>>: He started it.
<<You guys've been staring at Ping too long, I swear>>: Nah, we just found out about Xing Chan, the Taiwanese knockoff.
<<Humping is not part of the job description>>: Such a shame.
<<Eh?>>: Just restating the obvious that my connection is working.
<<You ARE helping with mine in the event of an untimely death, right?>>: Should I be notified, I shall try my best.
<<Pity I won't be able to watch>>: Depending on your beliefs, you just might be able to.
<<I'm still at a loss to where that comment came from>>: Just from how nice the Balrog looked, and a humorous exageration of how much I appreciated it.
<<Those were the days, ne?>>: Quite, but if you keep going, we might lure Warpmind into more regularity, and Wilek was going to try harder.
<<Involves flames, death, and furry animals?>>: There's nothing that necessitates them being furry.
<<*grabs Gside*>>: Why, Gunjack, I didn't know you felt that way...
<<You're agreeing with me again. This is getting scary>>: Stranger things have happened in here.
<<We'll have to debate THAT POV some other time, laddie...>>: One of my thoughts concerning the Bible is that Jesus loved parables, so why not His father too?
<<...Thanks>>: You are quite welcome.
<>: Only do that for summer. Just brought my tower this time.
<<Castles in the Sky>>: Is that where Lucy lives? And are their treasuries large?

Imzadi> Should you still ponder a hypothetical football game between us, my official weight today was 229.
<<That's great>>: And Ben Franklin's, I believe.
<<Except your best friend is a chicken, not a volleyball, and eventually you have to eat him>>: Edible best friends. A concept whose time has come.
<<That's like the sidewalks I hear about where you can fry an egg>>: Hotter than a match head? But at night, it's a different world...
<<Because I can't figure out any reason to be with someone who's body temperature is the same as the room you're in and has no heart beat or other signals of arousal>>: Talk to Shiunji.
<<A bit late>>: Only a day.
<<That's a big word>>: Thank you. And that's not all that's big.
<<Those noreigan lesbians feed me grapes>>: Specially inported?
<<But how would you *know* that's the point just from the riddle?>>: Just that there is no other significant differentiating factor.
<<It still won't be flying>>: Bit gives it some initial momentum so it can start easier.
<<Should we ban bubble gum?>>: Nah, let's distribute it freely, because they were most likely out of it when they started their violent crimes.

Ravyn> <>: Heretics all.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 03:30:13 AM
IP: 68.39.9.124

*Jaden walks in looking slightly confused*
I thought that I had posted just a few days ago, but I guess I must have been dreaming or something. Sorry if I missed some of your posts. Well I have to go do homework now. Yes I have college classes again!
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 8, 2002 01:07:04 AM
IP: 172.130.54.39

Awesome pictures Jenn and Mooncat!!!!

Hehehe..Aimee and Mitch!!!!! Gahh I still need to mail their wedding present.. ^_^;;;;; Oh well! ^_^;;

No more to comment..its going to be a long night, and I've got homework and a huge room to reorganize and redecorate.
Siryn
Monday, January 7, 2002 09:10:08 PM
IP: 24.93.24.62

Merph, I think I'm coming down with something flu-like.

Pretty picture, Jen. Very nicely done indeed.

If anyone has been trying to get ahold of me via Excite that email account is temporarily (I hope) down pending their corporate restructuring. I'm still getting mail at kpogge@atl.medianone.net.

Airplanes and the news. Grrrr. I could do nicely without the hysteria.

Jewel > Thanks. I was hoping there was some great story remembered by the old timers and passed down that caused the snow jitters. Like "During the great storm of '06 the only route to both the local bakery and Mayfield's Dairy was blocked by 10 feet of snow. And there was this amazing amnesia that kept people from remembering how to bake their own and of course by that point in time *NO ONE* had their own livestock especially in the backwood areas like Gwinnett County, so ever since then at the first warning people have stocked up." But oh well. I guess it's just one of those local things like love of Krystal Burgers that I just don't get.

Discuss TGS, oh not today thanks.
Cheers,
kathy
Monday, January 7, 2002 08:41:07 PM
IP: 24.98.56.90

Jen > Woo! I love the pic... Jez looks terrific! Love the jewelry... love the hair... love the costume. You rule. :) And bonus for me... now I get to torment my readers by making them wait to see when this "new girl in town" is going to make her debut. :)

Mooncat > Thank you for your lovely pic, as well. And yes, I'm about to let the folks know where they can go to take a peek at it. :)

Ahem... Just posted in the fanfic archive - a short little continuation to my story "The Lesson" that was inspired over the weekend by the lovely illustration I received from Mooncat. If you visit the fanfic archive and read the story, there's a link in there to view the pic, but you can also click my name to visit my home page, scroll down to the little Art Gallery section, and see Mooncat's pic from there, too.

:: group hugs Jen and Mooncat ::
Madame Destine
Monday, January 7, 2002 07:52:17 PM
IP: 66.72.195.43

I think that it might be a good idea to hold off on the "Partnership" discussion for a little while, since we barely had any discussion of "Fallout Part Two" last week (Ed was the only one who posted anything on it), and so that ep's in danger of getting the short end of the stick. (I suppose that we were mostly a little distracted because it was the week that New Year's falls in). Could we hold off the "Partnership" discussion for a week, please? (I haven't said anything yet about "Fallout Part Two" myself because I don't think that it's a good idea for a current TGS staff member to start the discussion of a TGS story).

"Mother Goose and Grimm" did a Harry Potter spoof this morning in the newspaper; Harry gets caught trying to sneak into the girls' locker room at Hogwarts with his invisibility cloak. Sounds like the sort of thing that could happen in Christine's "not for Becca's eyes" HP fanfic. :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 7, 2002 07:29:37 PM
IP: 63.183.39.195

Just got back from seeing LOTR again; went with the in-laws while Becca was in school so as to avoid a repeat of the previous incident. So I finally got to see the end battle with the orcs. Very nice. Tonight, it's back to work and time to begin my 2nd Harry Potter story. This one will probably have to be done in two versions, one I can read to Becca and one I can't ; )

Crzy > lovely pic! Well done. Now get cracking on mine! <g> Kidding. Mostly. Naw, get cracking, woman!

Green Baron > not sure just what entirely you are wanting to learn (or how!), but I'm hardly the one to teach. And I'm afraid I'd side with SJ and stress the importance of family planning.

Ravyn and Coyote > congrats; dare we hope the big day will be scheduled to coincide with G2004? We have GOT to get Greg to conduct a ceremony one of these years! ; )

Deadlines > still time to send in stories, articles, or art for Sabledrake Magazine's romance issue. Still time, too, to have a chance at the editorship of AvMists. Contact me any old time!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, January 7, 2002 07:16:09 PM
IP: 64.24.187.197

Hello beautiful people,
It's a new week, the first full week of the year. It thought I'd do this TGS discussion right and follow through.

TGS - Partnership
Here is the story in thirty seconds or less. On Dracon's first day out of prison, Jon Castaway hires him to kidnap Elisa. She's the bait in a trap set by the Quarrymen. Castaway however fails victim to Classic Villain Mistakes #1, #2 and #3: Leaving the hero alive, explaining his plan and relying on devices to do the killing. All of which prove his undoing. Elisa escapes, saves the clan and busts some of the Quarrymen, but Casataway escapes.

The good parts of the story are the details. Small things like Titania's psuedonym, D'Auber and the way Castaway quote Xanadu. I did like Castaway's portrayal in this one. He's charming and charismatic and only a 'little' unhinged. It makes his crack up later on very believeable.

Character Spotlight - Elisa
Here's a prompt for some discussion. What are your feeigns about Elisa's kidnapping. Considering all the traffic that goes through there, Demona, the Hunters and Quarrymen, why did she eschew common sense. Sure she may not like Xanatos, but moving or installing some security on her own. What changes do you think Elisa was prepared to accept and what sort of crept up and gave her a surprising little nip?
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 7, 2002 07:06:54 PM
IP: 24.205.118.88

Hi people! Oh, well, bad news first...I am back to school. Assignment due tomorrow...I was supposed to finish it in holydays, but...oh, well, I'll finish it tonight, will be just a three hours of work. Now, on good news...hmm...well...maybe I'll be better to switch to replies...

Josh:> <> No need for it!
<<Don't worry, I won't do anything you wouldn't do...whatever THAT limits. >> And this is supposed to tranquilize me? Damnit, there are not that many things I wouldn't do...
<<beautiful Italian sports cars (those Italians sure know autos), >> You say that! Although, I could have bad news for you...here automatic transmissions are practically unknown, so you won't find an automatic Ferrari or Maserati...
<<at about 120 MPH>> Now THIS is something I wouldn't do...not on a public road, and with other people on board. By the way, I knew in USA speed limits were something like 65 mph, and very stricly observed...
(but who am I trying to fool? "Something I wouldn't do"...just like I didn't have my wild runs. Although, I usually do them with bikes...)
<<Niamhgold is asleep in the backseat and we're listening to KMFDM. >> Mind Skid Row? "In the backseat of my Chevrolet while the radio wows..."
<<(Niamhgold) suffer from serious ego problems relating to their work>> You too noticed that, huh?
<<Condolences>> Hm, I'm sorry...I completely missed when you mentioned about your loss. Actually, when you thanked those who wished theirs, I didn't understand what was you referring to...I did only when I looked back to your previous post. I know I am late, but I want to offer you mine ones as well. Again, I'm sorry for not doing before.

Winterwolf:> <<I'd show up more often but I can only get this shared internet connection regularly in the morning. After that I usually don't have any online time. :\ >> Hm, I see. Oh, well...we'll treasure the rare moments, then, and wait for better times. Say hello for me to your lady!
<<Well I can see the new season for TGS has started so I have to add it to my current reading. TTFN. >> WHAT?!?! Where? When? <looks around frantically>

Ok, see everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Monday, January 7, 2002 06:14:43 PM
IP: 213.213.18.61

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"'How are you feeling?' he asked, looking directly at me with his remaining eye.
'Different.'
'You had a Catastrophic System Degeneration, a sort of MBO but worse,' Edgar told me.
Then he turned to one of the girls who was holding a box under her arm. She handed it to Edgar. 'This is for you,' he said and with a smile took out of the box a jar of peanut butter.
'The inventor of peanut butter, George W. Carrer of the Tuskegee Institute of Alabama, also invented peanut shampoo, peanut linoleum, peanut glue, peanut shoe polish, peanut shaving cream, peanut soap and even peanut axle grease,' I said.
Edgar opened the jar, inside was a photocopy of my bet that God existed. Wrapped in the receipt was a 1mm square of what looked like silicon.
'What is it?' I asked.
'Your belief in God. One of my technicians removed it this morning.'
'I don't believe you.'
'You also don't believe in God anymore, do you? Have a go. Ask yourself.'
I didn't. The absolute certainty that the universe was under the watchful eye of an all-powerful being was completely and utterly gone. Poff. All that remained was a sort of fog.
'Well?' asked Edgar, putting down his Geiger counter. 'Is there a God?'
'Who knows?' I said."
-Excerpt from "Skepticism inc." by Bo Fowler.. you know, that book about the sentient supermarket trolly.. read it, if you can get your hands on it, its hilarious..
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I am sending you a copy, gunjy. you can read it when you get down from the rafters.
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gside/fs/gunjack>> re: killer dolls. in "skepticism inc." there is mention of a contraption called a Ding Dong 7, designed to look and act like a human in every way.. except that they cant smile or bend their knees. "By the time all the Ding Dong 7's were rounded up, quoting scripture wildly and lashing out with their blood-soaked bibles, 12,720 people had been murdered on their doorsteps, four times that number had narrowly escaped death and nearly one million more people had become Jehova's Witnesses."
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josh>> <<Get your Canadian to do it for you.>> dont give him any ideas... i just got him used to the fact that when he comes to my house and eats dinner, HE cleans the dishes.. and since im a flakey daisy-pickin vegetarian.. the rule is if he wants to eat meat, HE has to cook it ;)
and speaking of obsessive star wars fans.. at least noone we know is in the line to get into the 2nd star wars movie.. ALREADY.. i heard there were some nutbars doing that and the movie doesnt open until.. may?
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gunjack sweety-pie love-of-my-life>> im getting a phone card tonight........ youd better be there.. ;)
<<9mm Individual Defense Weapons to 25mm chainguns. My kinda stuff, especially this sweet little Galil Micro. Convert it to .300 Whisper subsonics, add a reflex supressor and a thermal imaging sight, and it'd be a sweet rat-popper.>> if i understood what ANY of that meant.. i MIGHT be impressed.. but seeing as how i dont, i shall roll my eyes skyward and exclaim "boys and their toys *tisk*!"
*sigh* he has his faults.. but makes up for them in other ways ];)
<<FYI, a "Killer Doll" is a brainwashed, low-augment (and thus low-cost/investment) assassin optimized for "mass production" with total expendability. Just the thing when you need to eliminate heavily-defended targets without burning up more expensive specops units. Humping is not part of the job description.>> darn.. i wish someone had told nadia that, way back when.. could have saved us sooooo much trouble.. ;)
im feeling slightly better today.. i got to kevins house.. though i had to WALK for an hour and 3/4 in the COLD YUCKY EWIE SLUSH THINGIE becuase the bus didnt come and kevin lives so stupidly far on the other side of town. i dont own any winter pants.. so my legs were VERY itchy (i wont mention how my bum was feeling, for the sake of poor josh).. and even though my lovely new hat was on, my head still got cold and started throbbing.. and i was tired and hungry and wanted to go home (yes, if you are offering, i would like cheese with that..) good times, anyway.
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patrick toman>> <<Is it just me, or does the media totally overreact now to plane crashes of any size?>> no, its not just you.. mind you the media will overreact to anything they think they can sell, given half a chance.
the whole "fixation on bin laden" thing is worrisome, too. it seems like if they ever catch him, most people will think that its over when really he is such a small and insignificant part of what needs to be fixed.. sure he might have been the inspiration for the terrorism, but the attacks were planned in the US and germany, not in afganistan.
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oops, was i stating an opinion on a political issue? pardon me.. i shall try to refrain in the future.. ;)
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anyway, i am going to stand under some hot water and attempt a nap before work. its monday, and that means ill likely be spending it stocking yarn. wee-hoo. and if youre lucky enough to be a member at the store, you can get 92% off christmas stuff (we calculated this farce the other day.. i find it endlessly amusing).
right so.. going.
laters.
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love,
lain "i am the last supermarket trolley alive. aloha." iwakura
the Great White Slushy North
Monday, January 7, 2002 03:54:35 PM
IP: 64.228.193.177

**Winterwolf walks in**

Hi. I'm still on the lookout for a good job. There seem to be more prospects so I'm looking forward to getting interviews soon.

Looking back at this winter break m time in NY was fun but nothing can beat getting back to Seattle to see Dreamie on New Years for me. ^_^

In other news my email is still messed up. :(

Ravyn> <beautiful ring on my finger> Hey! Congratulations from me and Dreamie to both of you. ;)

Niamhgold> Have fun in Cali.

Shadowrider> I'd show up more often but I can only get this shared internet connection regularly in the morning. After that I usually don't have any online time. :\

Dreamie> I'm thinking about you. **Snuggles and kisses** ~_^

Well I can see the new season for TGS has started so I have to add it to my current reading. TTFN.

**Winterwolf exits**

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Monday, January 7, 2002 01:50:15 PM
IP: 172.183.152.157

Jennifer/CrzyDemona -- Ooo!!! Cool piccie!!!

In an act of evil twin-ism, I also have a new piccie for Madame Destine *wg* --- Ummm... but I can't post a link to it here *blush* Cuz it's maybe a teeeensy bit evil. *blink, blink* But if MD likes it maybe it will pop up on-line soonish *^_^*

Love Jez's jewlery!!!! And her feet. I always make garg feet too petite. sigh. She looks like a girl wanting to party! Love the hair ultra especially too. She's kewl all over *^_~*

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Monday, January 7, 2002 12:47:13 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Well, all ... sadly, I am now back in Arizona, getting ready to go back to school. Dang!!! I just had the most wonderful week of my life up in Michigan, and if you can't tell ... I was in *no* mood to leave. I can't wait to get back up that way again SOON! :)

Plus I forgot that they call soda "pop" up in Michigan. Great fun all around. ;)

Had the most wonderful New Year's of my life too! Cuddled up with Coyote, drank egg nog, toasted at midnight, and watched Jay Leno ... before moving on to other activities. :) Seriously, though ... that was the greatest New Year's I've ever had. :)

Coyote> Thank you for the wonderful vacation, love. **kisses and cuddles** :) I miss you so much!!!

Stephen> <<How was the visit, cuddlebugs?>> FANTASTIC!!! I had a tremendously great time ... I hope Coyote did too. I kinda think he did, though. ;)

FS and LM> It was great to finally meet you guys and hang out at your place!!! Sorry we kept missing you every other time, though. I'll be sure to come back that way again sometime, and hopefully I can catch ya more then ... and we can do the double-date thing!

Furry special> Saw a little of it while cuddling on the couch with Coyote ... and it was just a bit weird for me too.

Oh, and I'm trying to slip this one past all y'all so I don't create too big of a buzz ... so don't ask about the beautiful ring on my finger. ;)

I'll write again soon ... but it might not be too often, since I start school on Wednesday! :( Good luck to all of you starting school again.

See y'all around!
Ravyn "Missing Michigan" Maza
Monday, January 7, 2002 12:41:17 PM
IP: 216.183.198.183

My dad got married over the weekend. That means he has moved out of the house and I am living home alone. It's kinda wierd living at home alone. Also, my depression is seemingly more present.

Warpmind - The point was I have never been drunk, nor do I plan on getting drunk.

Fire Storm - Thankfully or not, the note didn't say when and where I got caught by the Time Enforcers nor when and where I prevented myself from being a Time Enforcer.

Shadowrider - <Ah, but this is in the end the destiny of every dominator.> I disagree. The objective should be holding together your empire during your lifetime without committing suicide to prevent your empire from crumbling during your lifetime.

cyberklaw - There is a spot for the URL. Listing your website there helps remember you have one.

Gunjack - <And yet, when people express dissapproval with forms of communication they consider harmful and/or distasteful (ie Hollywood, porn, some forms of modern art), they're immediately slapped with the censorship label. Why is that?> The liberal hypocrisy.

Imzadi - <But I'd kind of appreciate it if you didn't send me that stuff. That's the way you get on spam lists, etc.> Next time I find something like that, I'll have it emailed to myself, and then forward it to you. < There are huge splits in my family and in my roommate's family because of stupid stuff like contesting of wills.> Greed destroys families you know. In this day, videotape the will being read and signed with witnesses. It would be hard to argue against that.

Green Baron - you forgot about the Pharisees in the Bible. They relied on tradition and forgot the spirit of the law. Tradition is important to a certain, but the bible is always more important than tradition.

I just started downloading Netscape 6.0.

Silvadel - <It is nice to have another crack at seeing the episodes I missed of the original outer limits. Plus I like crusade(the B5 spinoff) quite a bit. Good riddence to daily mini-marathons.> Yes and no. When they had a mini-marathon of a show I liked, I enjoyed. Otherwise, I didn't it.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, January 7, 2002 12:35:48 PM
IP: 204.94.193.17

Madame Destine - I have a prezzie for you! Click click!

(I know, I know... it's WAY late!)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<--- Clicky!!!]
Monday, January 7, 2002 11:08:17 AM
IP: 63.28.181.211

Just a little note that they significantly improved the sci-fi channel daytime lineup...

It is nice to have another crack at seeing the episodes I missed of the original outer limits. Plus I like crusade(the B5 spinoff) quite a bit.

Good riddence to daily mini-marathons.

silvadel
Monday, January 7, 2002 10:15:32 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

GB and Crzy> "Last Temptation" Isn't what it's made out to be. It was a book first, then a movie. It's about Jesus' last temptation by the devil that happens on the crucifixion: he is tempted to live and die the life of a normal man and not save the world, which he goes with, has kids, and is married until he is old.
Meanwhile, the world is in chaos, and Judas, while Jesus is on his death bed, finally convinces him that the world needs him. Jesus resists dying as a normal man and wakes up on the crucifix and yells "It is accomplished."
The controversy is that Jesus has kids in his dream-temptation; but the whole point was to show Christ battling with this temptation. It got the poor writer excommunicated from the Orthodox church AND the Catholic Church (if I remember correctly). Both completley missed the point of what the author was going for (which is typical). It's a shame. One of the authors main concerns was "the battle between the spirit and the flesh, and the soul is where they meet." That was what he was going for. Not blasphemy.

Anyways, just that you two might like to know. :)
mealdemon
Monday, January 7, 2002 09:45:24 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

SJ > You truly are Lord of the Rants. ;)

Jen > "Now Aimee is a Major-Steinberger (Can I get fries with that?) >:)" - Yes, but what do they call her in France? And would that be with or without cheese? ;)

Latest HP news > I read something the other day that there's a new drug the dealers are calling "Harry Potter" that's popped up in a few states being targeted at kids and teens. I guess the premise is you'll be "flying high" if you take it... kind of the same twisted linking of pop culture to drug culture that had kids licking LSD off Superman stickers 20 years ago. "Harry Pothead and the Psychodelic Schoolbus" - man, who knew it would come to pass? :P

Kid in Tampa "supported Bin Laden" > As Ace Ventura would say, "La-hoo-oo-oo-oo-ser." Is it just me, or does the media totally overreact now to plane crashes of any size? I wonder if John Denver's unfortunate ultralight accident had occurred after Sept. 11, if the first reports would suggest he'd been engaging in a terrorist attack on those California cliffs.

Oh well... time to make the donuts. :: heads off to work ::
Patrick Toman
Monday, January 7, 2002 07:14:15 AM
IP: 66.72.204.183

Well, I'm writing this post from the I-5 north, headed towards Berkeley at about 120 MPH. I'm a little tired, and I'm trying to keep my roommate entertains while he drives. Niamhgold is asleep in the backseat and we're listening to KMFDM. The fog is only mild so far, and we're not too worried about encountering a 71 car pile-up like the one that happened the other day.

I woke up late today and spent the entire day running errands, eating, and packing. Poor Niamhgold couldn't have been too entertained, but I bought dinner to make up for it. I hate having a guest feel like they're bored, and I certainly don't want them helping out with family chores (though she's been very helpful with everything - my parents loved her). Most of my stuff fit in the car, the rest my dad will ship up. I hate asking him to do that, but this car for all its comforts doesn't have much real space in it. Oh well.

Too much stuff to move...and I'm frikkin tired. Most of it will sit in the car, I think.

anyway...replies!

Christine: <<if one counts birdie as me>>: No no. If you had a character named "Christine Morgan", THAT counts. My as-yet unpublished fic features...me ;-) Yes, I'm an egoist. My question is when they refer to "erotic fics that feature themselves", does it count if your character is *not* the one involved in the porn? <<sensation-dulling>>: Wow. That would kill it. It'd be no fun at all. Hell, I don't even think there'd be a heat transfer there. <<not like the whiny argument>>: I don't see what the problem is, quite frankly. I've never had sex *without* a condom, and I have no complaints. <<Dr. Condom>>: What a great time. <<more than anyone wanted to know about the history of the condom>>: A little knowledge can be a dangerous (or entertaining) thing.

Jannie: I feel really bad, but in all the hubbub, I forgot the magic card. I will have my father send it up ASAP, but you'll have to wait a few days. My bad. <>: Cuz its entertaining ;-) <<It could have been the lust for sex, or greed, or false prophecy, or hatred/rage, etc.>>: I'm so glad I can blame all my problems on demon posession. Is that a better defense than the insanity plea? <<Death was not always the final outcome in being stoned, either. Sometimes it was only done to cause injury>>: Sometimes, being stoned just causes a desire for food ;-) <<A young man who has the Eagle rank and joins the military automatically begins at a higher pay scale and rank>>: Cool! <<That doesn�t guarantee you a job, but you are at least you�ve made the first cut.>>: Are you telling me that this firm ONLY hires boy scouts? <>: Are you a fan the same way that you're a fan of gargoyles, or are you an obsessive fan,waiting with baited breath for the next movie, reading all the books to get your fix, first in line to see the flicks, not contented with the existing set of movies until lucas kicks the bucket? <>: I try and I try, but I just can't save everyone ;-) <<trouble in paradise>>: huh? <<company is like fish � after 3 days it begins to stink>>: That's great!

Green Baron: <>: I'm sure it was because she's a woman. <<Cool. I want to see>>: Ask her. <<Venial sins are so much fun and non-damning>>: The whole concept of venial sins makes me want to laugh. What a joke. <>: Just read her fics. <<Condoms that take teh pleasure out fo sex completely>>: The first time I read this sentence, I skipped the word "that", and I was ready to rip you a new one ;-) <<click on my name to find out who teh patron siant of Internet users is>>: In the it took you to write this sentence, you could have just told us and saved the modem users a buttload of time ;-)

Spacebabie: <<Who directed this Pink Floyd? Can someone make any sense of this movie?>>: LOL! <<You know that�s a good sign when you start a post like that>>: I try.

S-man: <<does anyone know when the 4th season of Timedancer is coming out?>>: I do. But I'm not telling.

Fire Storm: <<yes>>: You do too? ;-) <<Which is probably the best way to do it>>: Probably? <<Reading and remember are 2 different things>>: Just ask any college student ;-) <>: God is a tech support operator? <<MY SPEEN>>: What's a speen? <<no fire = food poisoning>>: True. There'd be no way to cook the chickens. The corn probably wouldn't hurt you though. So I guess you'd just have to eat the corn, and then die. <<Like in Castaway>>: Except your best friend is a chicken, not a volleyball, and eventually you have to eat him ;-) <<could a human best convert>>: The flesh, I think, would provide the most energy. However, without a way to cook it, it would kill you. <<Heinz go boom!>>: Catsup fight! <<Musta banged, 90, 110>>: Nice. Beats my record ;-) <<Mac did a lot of stuff first. But other companies did them better>>: Not really, often Apple was just a little bit ahead of the trends. Newton kicks the crap out of the Palm Pilot, but the Palm was released at a better time at a more popular price point. The Newton was incredibly popular with doctors, lawyers, and other upper-class professionals. <>: See, and I'm not an artist, but I *KNOW* that I kick ass. Just not at art. <<Hotter than an overclocked P4>>: That's like the sidewalks I hear about where you can fry an egg. <<they looked fairly handheld in the Popular Science!>>; "Object not drawn to scale". <<Really? Do tell!>>: Well, it assumed that 1 in a billion calculations were flawed. Assuming that one calculation is independent of the next, what are the probabilities of a) one error, b) two consecutive errors, c) chance of a statistician running into at least one error if they run a billion calcs (or something like that). A really easy problem, but funny because it was intel. And it had a footnote that said that intel agreed to replace the flawed chips sometime later. I added a footnote that my next computer was a mac ;-) <<sex = life!>>: Hell yeah. <<signing condom>>: What does it sign? Is it for deaf people? <<What are venial sins>>: An excuse for the church to tell you that you're being naughty when you're really not. <<And then film THAT>>: That would make MUCH more money than episode 2! <>: I hope not. Xander's funny and Anya is hot.

Sevarius Jr: <>: Remember that it was on MTV, and therefore makes geeks look as bad as they can. <<Note to Furries: you are more frightening than pedophiles. At least I can rationalize that particular type of mental illness>>: How can you rationalize children any more/less than animals? <<did you know that Pogo was the name of the clown Gacy portrayed, before taking those young lads home to sodomize and murder? It�s true. Interesting bit of trivia>>: That explains A LOT! <>: Like you didn't already know it was gonna suck ass ;-) <<These 5 schmucks get a free pass into the Star Wars universe because they give Lucas� kid a moist spot down where the bathing suit covers>>: I'd really rather not think about that. <<Lucas should have just brought them over to his house and let his daughter perform oral favors upon them>>: Then they could go to jail for statutory (sp?)! <<Dying because the building you were in was crashed into by a plane flown by a sand monkey is just one of them>>: I don't know why this made me laugh so hard. <<And I heard they�re naming their first child Damien>>; I get the impression that you don't like them. <<you can�t experience the Reverse Cowgirl>>: What is your fixation with this position? Nevermind that most girls lack strength in the correct muscles in their legs for this position. <<but the first thing I will do is beat the importance of birth control into your skull>>: YAY! <<You unwrap it, and put one on>>: Preferrably with the lubricated side OUTWARD. <<they cut down on sensation (no matter what line of BS they tell you)>>: The amount they cut down on sensation is SO far outweighed by the fact that SHE WON'T GET PREGNANT (97% chance, anyway). <<If those are all considered sins by the Church, than I�ll never see the inside of the pearly gates>>: You can hang with me. <<to use that quote as a means to disprove capital punishment is the mother of all reaches>>: Obviously you've never seen a proof in linear algebra. <>: Are you sure you aren't a writer for Dennis Miller Live? <<Christ, it�s like complaining that the chick didn�t swallow>>: HEY! THAT is a valid problem! Yes, its good and guys should shut their mouth and enjoy it...but its still valid to complain about. Or maybe you just aren't dating the right chicks. <<This just in � it�s going to suck>>: LOL. <<Affleck is playing Matt Murdock, aka Daredevil>>: "Hi, my name is Ben Affleck, and I'm a complete tool". That guy gave a motivational speech at my high school when I was a senior...I didn't stop laughing for hours. <<although I desperately want to see Alba in the skimpy Elektra costume, I�m not THAT desperate>>: What's the difference? You're not gonna pay $8.50 to see it either way. <<it would be that legions of Orc armies were at my command. That, and Eliza Dushku in my own personal harem>>: Wow! We have the same wishes! Maybe we really are the same person. But I want Alba too ;-). We're gonna have a problem when I conquer the planet, because you and I both want the same chicks. <<I�m assuming hilarity ensues>>: Don't you just hate it when an invisible sarah michelle gellar goes around randomly having sex? Sarah does Sunnydale... <<Buffy goes to work at a fast food joint, and suspects that there�s a little more in the burgers than just enriched soy product>>: Yeah, motor oil. So what's new? <>: But then we'd see all the same episodes again, just four years from now. <<POGO, the evil child-molesting clown?>>: Only you can turn a wedding into such a dismal event. <<she�s bumping uglies with yet another dead guy>>: Okay, I'm starting to wonder if a side effect of becoming a vamp is a permanent erection. Because I can't figure out any reason to be with someone who's body temperature is the same as the room you're in and has no heart beat or other signals of arousal. <<please oh please let it be Tara>>: Please let Willow go straight again! <<And I�m done>>: We don't need to be informed. I'm skilled enough that I can tell when you're finished ;-)

T-Man: <<Star Wars is the brainchild of George Lucas NOT the general public or Sevarius Junior>>: What?! You mean Sevarius Jr didn't create Star Wars?!

Sevarius, you've got some 'splaining to do!

Wilek: <>: It's called multiple points of stimulation dude, and its a PROVEN sexual technique.

Stephen: <<some 15 year old kid commandeered a Piper/Cessna sized airplane out of the St. Pete airport, and lifted off without any clearance from the tower. A Coast Guard chopper was scrambled to call the kid to heel, but before that happened, the plane slammed into the upper portion of the Bank of America building in Downtown Tampa>>: Well, that's special. What is wrong with today's youth (as if I didn't know). <<my Sundance traded paint with another car>>: I am SO glad that my bumper is molded in gray plastic, and not painted. <<You got to spend the day with Naimgold?>>: Day? I get a week and a half. <<Please share the pics>>: She won't let me take any. But its even, since I won't let her sketch me.

Gside: <>: A bit late. <<Neither. Homocecropyrobestialiacophobia>>: That's a big word. <>: Me and Gere, we're buddies. <<Is that what they call it now adays?>>: Yes. <<But they are quie tasty.>>: True. <>: Good point! <<There probably are some there>>: Those noreigan lesbians feed me grapes. <<The main point is that the chickens inefficiently convert corn to energy and energy to eggs.>>: Ah, I see. But how would you *know* that's the point just from the riddle?

Gunjack: <<Might even have to do my own laundry again>>: I hate it when that happens. <<Just kidding. I wouldn't be caught dead doing my own laundry.>>: Get your Canadian to do it for you. << Who says ya can't biuld a better mousetrap>>: Bill Gates. <<Humping is not part of the job description>>: Well it should be. <<Since we're all sinners, why don't we stop worrying about all this and just be friends?>>: Because some of us are self-righteous sinners ;-) <<If the house is a-rockin'...>>: Don't come a-knockin! Now if only people would actually LISTEN to that! <<Really long? Involves flames, death, and furry animals?>>: Richard Gere? ;-) <<A few tons of DU falling from severel thousand miles up onto the Skywalker Ranch would clear things up enormously>>: YES! But unfortunately, it would kill any chance of actually FIXING the movie. <<Did... Josh just... AGREE with me on a philosophical point>>: Hey, it can happen. I'm an atheist because I don't believe in god, not because I think that every point of every world religion is wrong (because that's not logically possible ;-)) <<Through a pig out the window!>>: It still won't be flying. <<Define "bigot".>>: A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion - dictionary.com. <<perhaps we're already too enlightened to frown on sheep molestation.>>: Hey, you're the southerner. You tell me. <<the pattern seems similar; people wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing something wrong>>: I don't think that's necessarily true. There are plenty of people that don't see abortion as wrong. <<calling yourself "areligious" might not be very accurate. You have a religion too, since "religion" is simply the facet of one's worldview that involves questions about the spiritual/eternal. You answer the questions differently, but you still answer them>>: Fine. But whatever my religion is, its different from all the "established" ones out there. <<Was that your general point?>>: Nope. My point was that you should take the Philosophy 104 class that I took last spring, I think you'd enjoy it. <<You're agreeing with me again. This is getting scary>>: Just because you have a religion doesn't mean I think you're an idiot. Hell, look how well I get along with Jan ;-) <<Which is partially paid for by their tax dollars, perhaps?>>: Most art museums are privately funded, actually. If they don't like porn, they shouldn't donate to it. <<Would you support the restriction of such media, or would "artistic freedom" still come first?>>: In your impossible hypothetical situation, yes. But remember that your situation is hypothetical. It could not happen in the real world, because there is a huge difference between a cause and a correlation. Most kids who committ violent crimes chew bubble gum at some stage in their lives. Should we ban bubble gum? <<Am I the only one who finds that profoundly cynical?>>: It sounds surprisingly american to me. <<The Fetus is a genetically distinct organism DEPENDENT on her body. That is a scientific fact>>: Really? In nature, animals have the right and privilege to remove symbiotes and parasites from their bodies when they deem it necessary. <<according to the scientific definition of life, which does NOT depend on heartbeat>>: Alright fine then. <>: It couldn't be because Aimee is a friend of Crzy's, could it?

Well, I'm back in Berkeley. Now I need to sleep.

God shows up, you let me know. I'll trust my PhD's.
Tom Sizemore, Red Planet

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, January 7, 2002 05:46:57 AM
IP: 64.161.24.93

*From his perch in the CR rafters, Val practices sighting in a Galil 5.56mm carbine aquired over christmas*

Ho Tay... Gotta pack up all this gear, as I'm leaving for Harding tomorrow morning. Back to the land of excessive work and lacking sleep. Might even have to do my own laundry again. I pity me.

Just kidding. I wouldn't be caught dead doing my own laundry. ; )

Spent most of the last few days perusing my brand new copy of Assault Weapons, 5th edition. Wonderful little book; it's got writeups on everything from 9mm Individual Defense Weapons to 25mm chainguns. My kinda stuff, especially this sweet little Galil Micro. Convert it to .300 Whisper subsonics, add a reflex supressor and a thermal imaging sight, and it'd be a sweet rat-popper. Who says ya can't biuld a better mousetrap?
They also had the ever-wonderful modular M4 (who here doesn't play counterstrike?), and were nice enough to include the charming supressed/scoped version with underbarrel 870 pump-action shotgun. Joy ensued.

Replies!

Gside/FS - KILLER DOLLS, you pervs, not "Killer Love Dolls"! Sheesh! You guys've been staring at Ping too long, I swear... FYI, a "Killer Doll" is a brainwashed, low-augment (and thus low-cost/investment) assassin optimized for "mass production" and total expendability. Just the thing when you need to eliminate heavily-defended targets without burning up more expensive specops units. Humping is not part of the job description.

Gside><<Well, it appears to be working, and secondary sources seem to indicate it shall contine.>> Eh? <<Then have a wake. "...some of the boys got roaring drunk, and they ain't got sober yet...">> You ARE helping with mine in the event of an untimely death, right? Wilek can too... Pity I won't be able to watch...
<<Exactly. Kill the chickens the first chance you get.>> Booya. I feel crafty. <> Considering the size of the Balrog, I figure you'd end up like Cathrine the Great... *shrugS* ...I'm still at a loss to where that comment came from. << The thing is I miss having all of us going at the same time (me, him, Warps, Wilek, Fire Storm, and Imzadi now).>> Those were the days, ne?

Yooper - Ruger?! Nice ice... what model? Auto or wheelgun?

Jannie><<huh? Jesus didn�t cast any stones...>> I wasn't talking about the biblical passage. I was refering to the way it's usually used nowadays; kinda a Christian version of "people who live in glass houses shouldn't through stones". The idea usually is that because person A has his own problems, he has no right to say that what person B is doing is wrong. Since we're all sinners, why don't we stop worrying about all this and just be friends?
Problem is (if you believe the bible, which many here apparently don't), the guy who WAS perfect DID cast stones. He laid out very specific (and logical, incidentally) instructions for what was right and wrong. When people point out that those instructions aren't being followed, though, they usually end up on the defensive about their own faults. This, I ALSO find rediculous.

Josh><<And out of sex too! ;-)>> Not that I'm speaking from experience or anything, but sez you. If the house is a-rockin'... <<Send them to Moochie.>> Oh good LORD no. <<Are we just talking about nutrition or living the longest or best use of energy or what?>> An interesting question, and one WAY beyond my knowledge. On the whole, though, I'd say you'd still get more energy from the chickens and corn than youd get any other way... <<Anal or Sex?>> No, Gside's favorite word. Y'know the one... Really long? Involves flames, death, and furry animals? <> On the contrary. A few tons of DU falling from severel thousand miles up onto the Skywalker Ranch would clear things up enormously... <<So *that*'s what it feels like to get anally raped.>> Naw. That'd be if the RAM killed my comp, or they didn't let us take it back. <<WHOA! Sweet!>> Truly. I wish they'd give instructions for that...
<<You are absolutely right>> No, you don't understa-
...
...
*grabs Gside*
Did... Josh just... AGREE with me on a philosophical point? o.O
Quick, Wilek! Through a pig out the window! ; )
<<A policy that forbids a certain group, however, seems to be inherently bigoted.>> Define "bigot". Despite popular opinion, it is NOT inherintly illogical to disaprove of Homosexuality, any more than it's inherintly illogical to object to any other form of sexual activity (Promiscuity? Pedophilia? Bestiality? Incest?). Or perhaps we're already too enlightened to frown on sheep molestation.
I, at any rate, am not. Neither are the Boy Scouts of America; they feel that homosexuality (and promescuity, and sheep molestation) runs directly counter to their mission. You can disagree with that descision if you like, but the fact remains that it's their call to make.

There also seems to be a popular misunderstanding that to morally disapprove of something is to hate. If that's the case, everyone in this room is a flaming bigot.

<<Though I guess you could argue that pro-choice is inherently bigoted aginst people who aren't born yet, but that seems like silly semantics.>> "Bigoted" sounds about right. It might make an interesting afternoon's activity to compare the pro-choice opinion of the "fetus" and, say, pre-civil war Southern opinion about slaves. In both cases, the pattern seems similar; people wonder, deep down, if maybe they're doing something wrong. The payoff is just too good to pass up, though, so they go out of their way to squelch that doubt by dehumanizing the oppressed entity.
But I'm just crazy, right?
<> Perhaps I should rephrase; it's not so much a religious question as a worldview question. What you call your "Gut" is actually an extension of your Worldview; my "Religion" is an extension (or perhaps source?) of mine. Abortion is a religious question to a religious person (involving as it does philosophical questions about life, death, and comparisons of ethics/morality), and can be nothing else if their religion is a part of their worldview.
Incidentally, calling yourself "areligious" might not be very accurate. You have a religion too, since "religion" is simply the facet of one's worldview that involves questions about the spiritual/eternal. You answer the questions differently, but you still answer them.
<<Have *I* got a philosophy class for you!>> Lemme guess. "That statement is obviously false; just look at the wide variety of moralities throughout the world! Not a single moral point is universally accepted, so how can any morality claim to represent objective Truth?"
Was that your general point?
<<Would you allow such a person to call themselves a catholic?>> What if they agreed to every precept of Catholiscism, but thought the Pope was a hack? In both cases, the organization stands firm for a point, and they stand firm against it. If the Church says you can't be Catholic unless you agree unconditionally with everything it says, than that's the way it works.
As an aside, however, I'd say that anyone who stayed with such an organization would be something of an idiot.
<<That is *so* true.>> You're agreeing with me again. This is getting scary.
<<They aren't everyone, who the hell are they to tell me what I can't see in an art museum...>> ...Which is partially paid for by their tax dollars, perhaps? The art, in any case, usually is, and it's not unreasonable that they should object when their money is used to slap them in the face.
And let's be hypothetical here, and imagine that violent and/or pornographic media DO, in fact, have a measurable impact on the going rates of various societal misbehaviors (rape, out-of-wedlock pregnancy, assault/robbery/murder). Would you support the restriction of such media, or would "artistic freedom" still come first?

Why is it that people can claim "free speech" protection for something they make a profit off of? Am I the only one who finds that profoundly cynical?

<<It's not MY body.>> Indeed, and neither is it hers. The Fetus is a genetically distinct organism DEPENDENT on her body. That is a scientific fact. It's also a scientific fact that the fetus is alive (according to the scientific definition of life, which does NOT depend on heartbeat), and a scientific absurdity to claim that it is anything but human. The objections raised to treating the fetus as any other human life are all temporary in nature, and can reoccur at other points in the life cycle. Contemplate that the next time you enter dreamless sleep or come close to having a car accident.

Green Baron><> We'll have to debate THAT POV some other time, laddie...

SJ><<It�s true. Interesting bit of trivia. More on the name later.>> I sense bad blood, somehow.

Gside><<Let's call it the WG Mutual Appreciation Society.>> Woiks fer me! <<Homocecropyrobestialiacophobia.>>...Thanks.

And on that note, I depart. Gotta get up in about three hours, and I still need to disassemble my computer an pack it all up.

Who needs sleep?
Gunjack "Castles in the Sky" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 7, 2002 04:39:52 AM
IP: 172.149.135.14

Oh, I forgot to wish you a happy Little Christmas yesterday/today/sunday. So I hope you had a merry.

Gunjack> <<Gside's my fan? I thought it was the other way round...>>: Let's call it the WG Mutual Appreciation Society.

Imzadi> <<Are we just talking about nutrition or living the longest or best use of energy or what?>>: Most of the above. Nutrition doesn't matter too much for the short amout of time you're there, otherwise living longer is dependant on your energy intake.
<<Anal or Sex?>>: Neither. Homocecropyrobestialiacophobia.
<<Spoil all my fun, why don't you>>: I know you look forward to the rodents.
<<Catsup explosions!>>: Peckinpaugh?
<<no. I don't think its like that>>: Right. Describing yours would violate CR rules.
<<Hardly. I was just showing off my future house>>: Is that what they call it now adays?
<>: But they are quie tasty.
<<Do you really want the answer to this question?>>: I fear not the answer. But I would fear a demonstration.
<<your apparently lack of desire for me to perform felatio on you>>: I never said I didn't.
<<The singing school for norweigan lesbians?>>: There probably are some there, but I was referring to a porn site that models itself like a tentacle monster magnet school.

Jan> <<Thanks for the mp3 of O?Brother>>: You are welcome.

Green Baron> <>: @!#$ freak.

Spacebabie> <<Utena the movie:WTF?! Who directed this Pink Floyd?>>: How does it compare with Eva?

Fire Storm> <<It kills WHILE doing it's other function!>>: I can deal with that, as long as it doesn't have an imbedded pipe cutter. Have you happened to see LBG 6?
<<no fire = food poisoning>>: There are many assumptions that don't need to be dealt with to understand the crux of the problem.
<<Hope and probability are 2 COMPLETELY different things>>: I think it originally said they're going to find you in three weeks or something.
<<huh?>>: You said to talk about a pair of ducks.
<<could a human best convert the corn to energy, the eggs to energy, or the chicken flesh to energy?>>: The main point is that the chickens inefficiently convert corn to energy and energy to eggs.
<>: Heck my circuit diagrams barely make sense.

Wilek> <<When and why did it degenerate from "Hm, those Egyptian thingies are cool looking" to "I am aroused by the thought of being devoured by macro tentacled hermaphrodites"?>>: Couldn't tell you when, but it just seemed to click with me.

And for no apprarent reason, the mp3 is Cream's White Room.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, January 7, 2002 02:41:53 AM
IP: 68.39.9.124

Someone mention me?

Actually, I'm only posting because I see no one has mentioned the little fracas that happened down here just over the weekend... some 15 year old kid commandeered a Piper/Cessna sized airplane out of the St. Pete airport, and lifted off without any clearance from the tower. A Coast Guard chopper was scrambled to call the kid to heel, but before that happened, the plane slammed into the upper portion of the Bank of America building in Downtown Tampa.

Fortunately, a plane that size isn't like a big passenger jet, so there wasn't hardly much damage on the scale of the 9/11 attacks... however, from what things look like now, the kid flying the plane did this suicide plunge in support of Bin Laden and the attacks on the Trade Center Towers...

My god... Please tell me we are NOT going to see more of this sort of copycat junk as the year progresses?

Well, aside from that, it's offical: my Sundance traded paint with another car as I was pulling out of the driveway last night. No major damage, no injuries to anyone, just some scratches on my right bumper and the other guy's left rear fender. my car isn't undamaged, and I've lost my streak of going without an accident after owning a car for over a month or so.

Replies!

JOSH - You got to spend the day with Naimgold? Cool! Please share the pics.

CHRISTINE - Ish, I hope things go smoother for the rest of the year for you...

SJ - <<< Of course the big news in the sports world this week was the departure of Steven Spurrier. There�s rumors running rampant about the guy. One of the most common ones I�m hearing is that he may be headed to Tampa to be the new coach of the Buccs >>>

Yep, that's one of the many words being batted around...

<<< to which I�m sure Stephen is exceedingly giddy >>>

Huh? Me? Giddy of Spurrier replacing Dungy? You must have me confused with some other "wannabe" Buc fan. Far as I'm concerned, no matter of the team gets to the Big Dance or not, I'd rather keep Dungy in Tampa where he's done damn good for us... forget all the grumblers who complain that we have all the talent and haven't made it into the championship game! Dungy's done more for the team than any other coach has done before.

Just for the arguement's sake, just what would Spurrier bring to Tampa that would change things any further for the Buc's favor? Please tell me.

COYOTE/RAVYN - How was the visit, cuddlebugs? ^_^

And that's all from me for tonight... Bucs are up 10-3 over Philly! Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, January 6, 2002 09:44:20 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

**Suddenly, a hologram of DPH appears.**
Yep, DPH sent for me again. Apparantly, he's too sleepy to think straight because he had trouble sleeping last night. [I think it was because he may have skipped a meal.]

**somewhat RPish**
"Computer, target . ." says the hologram.
"Sorry, holograms of DPH do not have access to DPH's weapons," interrupts the computer.
A portal opens, bringing DPH on a bed into the CR.
"Wake up, DPH" yells the hologram, but DPH does not wake up.
"Damn, he's too sleepy to attack S-man. Wait a minute, that question hasn't been asked in a long time and the message on the current episode page is out of date, so I guess DPH doesn't have to shoot anyone this time."
**END somewhat RPish"

DPH will respond after he gets more rested.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, January 6, 2002 09:32:09 PM
IP: 204.94.193.16

Spacebabie - The Utena Movie... the catch line for that one should have been "I see dead student council members". Have you seen the entire series? It helps... but not much.

GB - did you see "Last Temptation"? I never saw it. I am sure it would have pissed me off more than the $8 was worth.

SJ - <<Ed: My God, man. That review of LOTR�.Christ, it�s like complaining that the chick didn�t swallow.>> BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAAA!!!

Taleweaver - I think they are registered at Macy's and a million other stores. If I know Aimee and Mitch, there will be PLENTY of pictures on the web of the event. As a matter of fact, I think you can find some info here until the page goes up. http://www.aimeemajor.com/

Now Aimee is a Major-Steinberger (Can I get fries with that?) >:)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<--- Aimee and Mitch's wedding website]
Sunday, January 6, 2002 09:28:33 PM
IP: 63.14.71.47

SJ> <> My gods, yes. And I didn't even need to see the special; I've encountered those people's disturbingness firsthand. When and why did it degenerate from "Hm, those Egyptian thingies are cool looking" to "I am aroused by the thought of being devoured by macro tentacled hermaphrodites"? O_o'
Wilek
Sunday, January 6, 2002 09:13:25 PM
IP: 168.143.112.112

If you don't like the movie then don't watch it! Nobody is forcing you to watch it! Besides Star Wars is the brainchild of George Lucas NOT the general public or Sevarius Junior. If the public wants shit shoved down their throats then let them have it.

The real Star Wars died twenty years ago when Kurtz got fired and when Lucas decided to make the abomination called Return of the Jedi!
T-Man
Sunday, January 6, 2002 09:12:46 PM
IP: 216.126.158.194

Yooper: <If I'd wanted an illegal handgun, it'd have taken 5 min. "Here's your money." "OK, here's your gun.">
Which is probably the best way to do it.

Cyberclaw: <And here is proof that my posts here go largely unread!>
Reading and remembering are 2 different things!

CrzyDemona: <We will just have to wait it out and ask the Big Guy himself when we all get there.>
You know, I think it's because of stuff like that we are still here!
"Father, when do I get to go back down?"
"Never. I don't want to deal with all the questions!"

Gside: <That's just mean. Or at least go for a kill before humiliating them>
Na. It kills WHILE doing it's other function!
"Uh! UH! I am close... so close... HEY! WHAT THE... ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH! MY SPEEN!"
<The only things on the island are sand, you, the chickens, and the corn.>
Sandwiches. Lots of sandwiches! ;)
So, no shelter? No seafood?
And no trees? No trees = no fire, no fire = food poisoning.
<There is hope of a rescue>
Like in Castaway?
Hope and probability are 2 COMPLETELY different things!
<It was a hard migration that year. Strongbeak and Quickwing were worriend about the rest of the flock...>
huh?

Imzadi: <Are we just talking about nutrition or living the longest or best use of energy or what?>
Good question. I mean, could a human best convert the corn to energy, the eggs to energy, or the chicken flesh to energy?

What about Orbital bombardment of mutated fish?
<Catsup explosions!>
Hmm... Heinz go boom!
<10 to 20? Between dusk and dawn? Is that all?>
True...
"Sarge, I can't move!"
"What's the matter soldier?"
"Partying last night. Musta banged, 90, 110."
<Yes, but i twasn't a handheld! That was what we were originally talking about, of which the Newton was the first>
Interesting...
Mac did alot of stuff first. But other companies did them better!
<Like Niamhgold and my friend John, they suffer from serious ego problems relating to their work>
Most artists do. But not me! I am no artist, so I *KNOW* I suck!
<Hotter than the pentium 4?>
Hotter than an overclocked P4!
<But again, that's not a handheld>
Well, they looked fairly handheld in the Popular Science!
<Remember it? I had a problem on my stat final about it!>
Really? Do tell!
<Me too. They're not much fun, especially in Star Trek where they don't work right>
Yeah... makes too much sense!
<And out of sex too!>
Well, sex = life!

Christine: <And that's probably more than anyone wanted to know about the history of the condom>
And, in modern times, there is the signing condom!

Green Baron: <But that also makes venial sins fun>
What are venial sins?

SJ: <instead of putting N*Sync in the movie, Lucas should have just brought them over to his house and let his daughter perform oral favors upon them>
And then film THAT!
<To quote Nic Cage, �Get me the big knife, I�m gonna cut my throat!�>
What movie?
<there IS a Scooby Death>
Well, that would be NICE, but seeing how Anya and Xander are all in love and happy, I am guessing it will be one of them.
<�The entire universe is written in God-code.�>
I saw a copy of "G++ for Dummies and Fallen Angels" at Borders last week.
Fire Storm
Sunday, January 6, 2002 08:59:00 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

I actually saw a half-hour special last night on MTV about the Furry fandom. It was, by far, the most DISTURBING thing I�ve ever seen, and this is coming from a guy who has sat through videotapes of live executions and corpse autopsies in my ADJ courses. Note to Furries: you are more frightening than pedophiles. At least I can rationalize that particular type of mental illness. John f�ing Gacy wouldn�t have done something so furrverted.

BTW, did you know that Pogo was the name of the clown Gacy portrayed, before taking those young lads home to sodomize and murder? It�s true. Interesting bit of trivia. More on the name later.

Well, regular season NFL football is finally over. My beloved (heh heh) Redskins finished the season with a broke-even record of 8 � 8. That�s the record we finished with last year, so our overall suckitude is holding steady, and not, thankfully, increasing. We�re still a bad team, though, and we�re not likely to get much better any time soon. But then again, most Washington sports teams are horrible, or at best, we�re only average.

Of course the big news in the sports world this week was the departure of Steven Spurrier. There�s rumors running rampant about the guy. One of the most common ones I�m hearing is that he may be headed to Tampa to be the new coach of the Buccs, to which I�m sure Stephen is exceedingly giddy. But watch out! Another rumor going around is that�.well, good ol� Marty Schottenheimer may be gone from Washington already, and Dan Snyder could be after Spurrier as his new head coach. If that�s the case, then you�d better pray that money isn�t the first thing on Spurrier�s mind, because if it is, than there is NO ONE in the NFL who will be able to outbid Snyder. The guy drops cash like each bill is infected with the plague.

The Lucas / N*Suck Association: First off, my apologies for subverting to such a tired reference to N*Sync. I suppose I could have gone with �N*BunchofHalfFags� or something like that.
Anyway, what�s the problem here? BECAUSE HE WANTS US TO PAY TO SEE A MOVIE THAT HE�S SCREWING UP FOR HIS GODDAMN KID. I love my dog. He�s like a child to me, I suppose. Do I pick up pieces of his steaming hot feces and ask YOU to pay me money for them? No. But apparently Lucas has no problem with that. He�s content to ruin the franchise, and cater to the WORST fringe elements of pop culture, by putting out a product that is more concerned with pushing horrible music acts for his cow daughter than it is focused on telling a good story. Which would be okay, except he expects us, the consumers, to pay for it. F!CK him. �But they�ll only be in it for a few seconds! You�ll get to see them die!� Look � I�m incensed that these little bastards are even in the movie for ONE SECOND. It�s bad enough that they�re on my TV screen every time I turn it on. I have to let Star Wars be ruined by them too? How many times did you, as a kid, pretend that you were Han Solo, or Luke Skywalker, or Princess Leia? You�d have killed to be in Star Wars. These 5 schmucks get a free pass into the Star Wars universe because they give Lucas� kid a moist spot down where the bathing suit covers. It offends me horribly. Yes, this is what offends me in life. We have a war going on, and I could care less about Afghan soldiers dying by our hands, but I do care that a boy band is in Star Wars. Whatever. It�s all relative.
I heard the best resolution to this whole thing the other day on the radio: instead of putting N*Sync in the movie, Lucas should have just brought them over to his house and let his daughter perform oral favors upon them.

Fire Storm: <<More N*Sync news: They are performing the Episode 2 theme! >> To quote Nic Cage, �Get me the big knife, I�m gonna cut my throat!�

Mary Magdalene: Well, they�ve always taught us Southern Baptists that she was a whore. Even if she was, chant with me, �That don�t make you a bad person.� Eh, maybe she was a hooker, but she hooked up with J.C. (not in THAT way), and things got better, so happy ending all around I suppose.

Greg: <<Personally, I think censorship is the worst form of evil there is.>> Spoken like a true liberal. <<There is nothing worse than the repression of self-expression.>> I can think of many things that are. Dying because the building you were in was crashed into by a plane flown by a sand monkey is just one of them.

<<Aimee & POGO got hitched!>> And I heard they�re naming their first child Damien.

GB: <<The Bible doesn't mention Mary is Queen of Heaven>> Cause she isn�t. And no offense, but I take everything that a Pope has said with about 14,000 grains of salt. <> That�s nothing new. Every now and then you�ll have some feminists show up and try to claim that most of the books of the Bible were actually written by women. <<I'm nots aying I would strictly use the missionary psoition when I'm married, though>> Thank God. Cause let�s be honest, who wants the same thing ALL the time, without a little variety? Just cause you�re Catholic doesn�t mean you can�t experience the Reverse Cowgirl. <<Christine> Well, I definitely want you to teach me some stuff right before I'm married, or right after.>> No. NO, no. If you want info, just come to me. I know you want a big family, but the first thing I will do is beat the importance of birth control into your skull. ;) <> You unwrap it, and put one on. Problem solved! Oh, and they cut down on sensation (no matter what line of BS they tell you), but it�s better than getting the HIVvie. <> If those are all considered sins by the Church, than I�ll never see the inside of the pearly gates.

Metaldemon: <<The way I always interpreted the "let he who is without sin...." was that this statement sort of abolished any sins deserving death since most death sentences were carried out by stoning.>> Jumping Jesus Christ on a POGO stick, to use that quote as a means to disprove capital punishment is the mother of all reaches. I could run to the moon and back 10 times and still not cover the distance required to make that sort of assertion.

Ed: My God, man. That review of LOTR�.Christ, it�s like complaining that the chick didn�t swallow.

Now I think I�ll finish things off with some ENTERTAINMENT NEWS!!! Cue my music.

Daredevil: The Movie: This just in � it�s going to suck.
No surprise, really, since Ben �I�m the only actor in Hollywood, apparently, which is why I get cast in every film in existence� Affleck is playing Matt Murdock, aka Daredevil. I mean, c�mon. C�MON. If you had to get one my two least favorite actors, couldn�t it have been Matt Damon? At least I think he has the slightest bit of acting ability, unlike Affleck. Affleck should stick to what he does best � killing his meager brain cells with bottle upon bottle of Sam Adams. Anyway, the other big casting decision that�s been made is that Jennifer Garner, of TV�s �Alias� fame, has been cast as Elektra. An interesting choice, and I think ultimately probably a good one. I mean, I�ve only seen Garner through her work on Alias, but she�s pretty good in that. And she�s a 100 times better than every other choice they had for the role, including actresses such as Salma Hayek and Jessica Alba (and although I desperately want to see Alba in the skimpy Elektra costume, I�m not THAT desperate). This is all moot, though, cause I refuse to watch any film that has Affleck in it. Well�.maybe if I�m really, REALLY drunk. If you supply the Sam Adams, perhaps I�ll make a go of it.

Last night the AFI Film Awards were given out last night, and what do you know? LORD OF THE RING WON BEST PICTURE! Yes, that�s right, LOTR haters. Suck it up, geek boys! BWAH HA HA HA HA! If I had but one wish, it would be that legions of Orc armies were at my command. That, and Eliza Dushku in my own personal harem.

BUFFY NEWS (and Spoilers!)***
Well, there�s lots of talk about what�s going to happen in the near future, and here�s the basic skinny:
* Jan. 8 � �Gone� The Nerds, my pick for WORST. VILLAINS. EVER., will turn Buffy invisible with some sort of ray gun. I�m assuming hilarity ensues. Meanwhile, I�ll be cursing the fact that Fox�s �24� doesn�t come on till 9 p.m.
* Jan 29 � �Doublemeat Palace�: Buffy goes to work at a fast food joint, and suspects that there�s a little more in the burgers than just enriched soy product.
* Feb 5 � �Dead Things�: Warren, one of those retarded Nerds, kills Katrina, the real-life girl he was dating back during the Aprilbot mess. Only, he makes it so that Buffy thinks she�s the one that killed her. God, I can�t believe how forward I was looking towards this season! Shows what I know.
* Feb 19 � �Older and Far Away� Buffy has a birthday, and Dawn casts a spell. I hope it�s a retro spell that reverts everything back to the 3rd season when this show was hitting its peak.
* Feb 26 � �As You Were�: Here�s a real kick in the crotch � RILEY returns. Yes, that�s right, RILEY. Somewhere, Jewel Faulkner curses aloud. Anyway, Riley returns, and he�s been transformed�..into what you ask? A vampire? A demon? POGO, the evil child-molesting clown? Nope, it�s just that he�s gotten married to someone else. But that kind of upsets Buffy, seeing as he was Mr. Once In A Lifetime catch, and now she�s bumping uglies with yet another dead guy.
* The titles of any future episodes haven�t been revealed, but it�s been confirmed that there is a Scooby Death. Yes, I repeat � there IS a Scooby Death. No word on who it is, but it happens. (*crosses fingers* please oh please let it be Tara)

And I�m done.

�The entire universe is written in God-code.�
---Random Lunatic

Sevarius "Karachi Vice" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Sunday, January 6, 2002 08:33:13 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Jan>> <explorer scouting> I asked my brother, and all he knows is that they exist. oh well, he's 15... he has some time before joining :)
Daphne
Sunday, January 6, 2002 08:19:24 PM
IP: 12.90.40.85

GREEN BARON - Well, although I haven't read "The Scarlet Letter" itself (only a humorous summary of it by Richard Armour in "The Classics Reclassified", to be precise), my understanding is that the authorities didn't know that Dimmesdale was the one who'd been committing adultery with Hester Prynne.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, January 6, 2002 08:03:29 PM
IP: 63.183.39.235

S-Man: <Hey does anyone know when the 4th season of Timedancer is coming out?>
Yes.
Fire Storm
Sunday, January 6, 2002 06:54:22 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Hey does anyone know when the 4th season of Timedancer is coming out?
S-Man
Sunday, January 6, 2002 06:47:37 PM
IP: 64.24.12.47

I've been drinking Coffee with Bailey's Irish cream in it the past three days. It's yummy.

Utena the movie:WTF?! Who directed this Pink Floyd? Can someone make any sense of this movie?

My dad went back to work this Friday! Yay!

Replies

Jewel>>>I wonder if we should a write a pet psychology paper on cats who have crushes on human celebs.

Josh<<<Kickass.>>>You know that�s a good sign when you start a post like that.<<<Backstreet Boys have been arrested for something.>>> Just Blondie boy Nick Carter.<<<No idea what.>>> Misorderly conduct.<<<The Eliza Dushku of weather>>>For me it has to between 72 and 76 with light gentle breezes.

Jan>>>Thanks for the story. I love stupid criminal stories, and I nearly fell out of my chair when you got to the part about how the guy almost soiled his shorts.

Gside<<<Reminds me of a bio riddle. You're on a desert island with a bag of corn and some chickens. Do you feed the corn to the chickens and eat the eggs until the corn runs out then eat the chickens, eat the corn while feeding it to the chickens then eat the chickens, or eat the chickens then the corn? >>>I think this riddle actually happened during Survivor.

Fire Storm>>>Oh dear God no!

Greg>>> I agree with you about Censorship
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl
Sunday, January 6, 2002 05:18:40 PM
IP: 67.25.48.192

Jan> e-mail me if you wish to know.

gunjack>e-mail me if you want to discuss further.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Sunday, January 6, 2002 02:34:46 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Metaldemon> <<THat's why there are so many differant Churches.>> Sometimes, it isn't truth that causes the split, but occassional odd notions and eating fo mushrooms :), plus occasional fits of hubris.

<<Because it's never mentioned in the Bible.>> Well, let's not forget the value of tradition as well. Granted, prior to this century Catholic doctrine didn't beleive life began at conception, though even St. Augustine spoke against it.

Fire Storm> <<Wow... Christians take all the fun out of life!>> But that also makes venial sins fun :)

Shadowrider> <<Well, for sure the fact that now the UK is pushing hard to join is a good sign for the Euro.>> Indeed. I rather like teh look fo Eurp cpoins and now the lira jokes will end :)

<<If you decide to visit Milan, be sure to warn me some time before. Not that much...a couple weeks, ok?>> Of course. I'd make plans more than a month in advance.

Todd> <<Actually, Mary Magdalene wasn't the prostitute whom Jesus was defending; in fact, the Bible doesn't say anything about her being a prostitute at all.>> Well, it's more tradition that says it was Mary Magdalene. I tend to beleive it was her, becuase I don't beleive in strictly teh Bible. I alos believe in 2000 years of tradition. The Bible doesn't mention Mary is Queen of Heaven, though it is teh fith Glorious Mystery of the Rosary and declared official dogma by Pope Pius XII.

Crazy Demona> <> That is teh most important aspect. Too bad "Last Temptation" tried to cheapen it. Actually her past is of some importance because it reflects on Jesus' message of how none of us are beyond hope and slavation, plus it fits in with the theme of the repentant sinner.

<<Some people think that the book of John was actually written by Mary!>> I never heard that one before. I heard there was a Gospel written by Mary Magdalene that was rejected by the Council of Nicea.

<<There were 3 different Mary's mentioned in the New Testament that could have been the same person.>> It seems Jesus knew a lot of Marys. I guess taht's why a girl named after his mother is named Mary Elizabeth and not just Mary.

<<Please note that the man she was commiting adultry with was not in line to be stoned that day. Nice huh?>> Not surprising considering the time. Reverend Dimmesdale never was forced to wear a scarlet "A" either, and that was 1600 years later.

<<You can blame Pope Gregory I for Mary M. being pinned with the whole "Prostitute" thing. Some people think she was Lazarus's sister (Mary of Bethany).>> So he made that proclamation. That explains why it is a part of my tradition. I won't blame him, as I beleive taht about her, too,a nd truly meeting Jesus was teh best thing she could have done. One of the first saints and the first nun.

Gisde> <> But taht si a vinatge Jackal comment. I wonder what Tolkein woudl say about that.

Imzadi> <<When you say preaching, you mean !@#$ing, right? Because that's what they do in SD.>> It menas the guy is sent where there are very people. It is a joke my Uncle uses, often.

<> Cool. I want to see.

<<Those are wrong!? !@#$!%%!#@$%!#$!#$>> Godo thing you're not Catholic, then. I'm nots aying I would strictly use the missionary psoition when I'm married, though. Venial sins are so much fun and non-damning :)

<?> The French men were known to fool around, but with women as oppsoed to Englsihmen who liked littel boys and livestock.

<<What if you believe in *almost* every tenet of catholicism, but happen to be pro-choice? Would you allow such a person to call themselves a catholic?>> Well, its more of what you do, too. Being in Planned Parenthood, perfroming an abortion, contributing to one are no nos. I cosndier abortion murder but I think making it illegal would only spark a prohibition.

<> True, and there are atheists who are pro-life, too, so it can't be boxed into categories that easily.

Christine> Well, I definitely want you to teach me some stuff right before I'm married, or right after. Condoms that take teh pleasure out fo sex completely. Sounds liek something the Church would approve back then, though so would the old Protestants.

I shoudl ahve known Saenger was invovled. i remember she wanet dto encourage birth control as a way to keep teh population of minorities down. Funny that Planned Parenthood won't mention that.

Taleweaver> That is news, indeed. I wonder who will be next.

BTW, click on my name to find out who teh patron siant of Internet users is.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, Germany
Sunday, January 6, 2002 02:06:59 PM
IP: 140.156.6.2

Gunjack> <<It's a fallacy because someone who WAS without sin DID cast the first stone; or at least, that's what the Bible claims.>> huh? Jesus didn�t cast any stones � he prevented the men from doing so by what he challenged them with: �let those without sins cast the first stone� Since no one was there that was without sin in their lives (except Jesus) then no one could rightfully cast the 1st stone at the woman.
Mary Magdalene was not this particular woman. Mary M had 7 demons cast from her soul and she was present at Jesus� grave. It�s thought that she was a prostitute before Jesus saved her � but I don�t think that there�s any actual scriptures that proves this. I don�t why people have assumed that she was a prostitute. Even my dad said that it was always considered that she was.
<<Indeed. But organizations CAN kick you out if you don't agree with their guiding principles. For some reason, people nowadays don't seem to understand this.
If you're for what your organization is against, they can't make you change your mind. But everyone seems to think that THEY should change to meet YOUR standards (ie, Boy Scouts and the Salvation Army should change their policy on homosexuals in their ranks, ACLU should allow pro-choicers into leadership roles, etc).>> EXACTLY!!
No one is trying to force their opinions and beliefs on anyone else. If you don�t agree, don�t join! Simple concept, huh? *chuckles*

Todd> Demons that were cast out during the Biblical days were not all tied to insanity. There are many kinds of demons. It could have been the lust for sex, or greed, or false prophecy, or hatred/rage, etc. (When demon possessed behaviors are revealed, they are in much more of a level of aggressiveness and intensity than usually displayed in some regular Joe-Smo that has issues with being greedy, etc.
Demons are still around and will be until the end of time.

CrzyD> <<There were 3 different Mary's mentioned in the New Testament that could have been the same person.>> Naw, they are different ladies. Mary M was a follower of Jesus, Mary the mother of Jesus and then Mary who was the mother of James and Joseph and the wife of Clopas. There was also Mary who was the sister of Lazarus and Mary who was Mark�s mother. *chuckles* do you get the same impression that �Mary� was a popular female name back then? ;)
<<... it really shouldn't matter what Mary Magdalene was BEFORE she met Jesus... but who she was AFTER she met him.>> Absolutely!!! =)

Metaldemon> How you can interpret �casting the first stone� as validation against capital punishment is beyond my comprehension. Stoning was an acceptable form of punishment during those days. Stephen, one of Jesus� disciples was also stoned to death. Death was not always the final outcome in being stoned, either. Sometimes it was only done to cause injury.

DPH> <<If I am not mistaken, members of Boy Scouts get promotions/pay raises faster.>> That is somewhat true in most cases. Most people see BSA as an exceptional organization that teaches leadership skills as well as many problem-solving techniques. The issue of homosexuals in the organization is really not on the top of the priority list of the BSA. It�s not taught to be against them, there�s no merit badge, it�s not in any of the curriculum and it�s actually rarely discussed. The real benefits come into play once a young man has earned the rank of Eagle. A young man who has the Eagle rank and joins the military automatically begins at a higher pay scale and rank, personnel directors give favor to those who have Eagle, and colleges use that as determining criteria on admittance and scholarships. Case in point: the scoutmaster of our troop has twin sons�both have the exact grade average in high school� both boys apply at A&M � only one son has received his Eagle � he�s the one who is accepted into A&M and the other is denied. A friend of mine who is in scouting told me that a friend of hers is a personnel director for a firm on Wall Street. They receive hundreds of applications per week and one of the ways that they narrow down the applications is to keep the ones who have earned Eagle. That doesn�t guarantee you a job, but you are at least you�ve made the first cut.
So, while some people would like to think that BSA is a piece of shit bigoted organization, it is still very much respected in the REAL world and by the majority of people.
Josh> <<His fans aren't the people who like N'Sync.>> huh? I �m a fan of Star Wars and I like N�Sync. I don�t go out and buy up their CD�s or anything, but I certainly don�t mind listening to them on the radio. Besides, ya�ll are getting your panties in a wad over nothing. Lucas is certainly not the first producer that has done �favors� by allowing friends be extras in a movie. As I recall, but not with much detail, Elvis was a big fan of a particular producer and was given a favor of being an extra in his movie. It�s not that uncommon of a practice � you just don�t usually hear about it until after the fact. How long will the N�Sync guys be shown and how MUCH will they be seen? From what I understand, not more than a few seconds and they�ll be among other completely clad extras doing a background fight scene. Big frickin� deal. You probably won�t even know which ones they are until someone else points them out. I seriously doubt that people will not go see the SW2 movie because of this. In fact, it will probably pick up more viewers because they ARE in the movie. Did you expect N�Sync to turn down the opportunity to be in the movie?
<<But only if I wasn't here, right?>> *blinks* trouble in paradise?
Did you receive my email about the question concerning the Magic card? I haven�t heard back from you about it and I know that time is running out.
Sorry to hear about the death in your family. You�re right about the �family reunion� timing. Unfortunately that seems to be the one time most families get together. =\
That was happening in my mother�s family so now they hold a family reunion once every 2 years. They�ve had 6 in the past 12 years so far and it grows larger in attendance each time :)

Christine> *hugs* eesh! That�s way too long to have company!! What�s that old saying..?.. company is like fish � after 3 days it begins to stink� or something like that. *L* I�m expecting quite a bit of company this summer � this is tourist country during the summer and I�ve been told by a lot of my friends that they are planning on taking vacation here. I�ve told them that they are all welcomed � but I�ll see them in the evenings. They can do what they please during the day since I�ll be at work. This way I don�t have to make any attempt of entertaining them or being their tour guides ;) All of my friends know that I don�t cook very often, so they won�t be expecting any home cooked meals either. Hehe
I do hope that I�ll have my addition to the family room and screened in back porch completed before the guests arrive! *makes note to talk to dad*

Gside> Thanks for the mp3 of O�Brother!! I love that soundtrack and as soon as I am able to get to a larger town, I�m going to purchase it! =)
The stake out was somewhat successful, but they are pretty sure there is a snitch within the STF (Special Task Force). They were able to shut down yet another meth lab, but some of the key suspects had escaped capture.

Daphne> Does your dad or brother know anything about the Explorer division of Scouting? We�re starting a new Law Enforcement post at the Sheriff�s Dept. and I�m not real familiar with this particular program. I would love to have any helpful hints or suggestions! =)

I watched the original Carrie movie last night and was surprised to see John Travolta as one of the actors in the movie! *L* I love watching these old �teen movies� to see actors who are famous these days.

We have snow and ice today. Blech. I slid down the highway and all the way thru my subdivision. eesh. It�s been a very long time since I�ve had to drive under these conditions. Nasty today but it�s suppose to be in the mid-50�s by Wednesday. Go figure.
8 auto accidents last night in just 2 hours, though. Several more this morning.

Wow, Aimee and Pogo got married?? That�s awesome and I wish them all the best that life has to offer =)

Well, it�s domestic time and I must complete laundry, housecleaning and other disgusting chores around the house.
Jannie
Sunday, January 6, 2002 01:40:01 PM
IP: 12.110.236.50

Greg Bishansky > Sorry, but I've been checking my e-mail every day, and I haven't received any replies. Maybe you could send it again?
cyberklaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Sunday, January 6, 2002 11:19:28 AM
IP: 64.12.102.34

Aimee & Pogo got hitched! That's fantastic. Where are they registered? I swear this matrimony thing is contagious. I hope they'll share the pictures. That reminds me to put our wedding photos up on the web somewhere.

Not much else to say. I was just catching up on comment room news and say that's great news.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Sunday, January 6, 2002 10:04:19 AM
IP: 24.205.118.88

Warpmind > well, so where can we find this story? ; )

Mooncat and Josh > yeah, I'm on that hierarchy thing in a few different spots myself. Fairly low, too, if one counts Birdie as me ... though most of them are me, even Gustav Sevarius (not that anyone ever believes it <g>).

Green Baron > I don't have much info on how effective the really early condoms were against disease, but there's a great quote from a 16th century French marquis -- "Armor against love, gossamer against infection" -- referring to the ones at the time made from oiled linen, which were not only thick and sensation-dulling (no, _really_, not like the whiny argument sometimes used nowadays), but were intended for re-use (same with the original 'rubber,' debuting in the 1870's and literally made from vulcanized rubber; these were to be washed out and re-used until they cracked). Latex hit the scene in the 1930's. It wasn't really until Margaret Sanger caused such a stir that condoms became popularly thought of as a contraceptive device (and that wasn't until the early 1900's). As for the term 'condom,' there are two main theories as to its origin -- the French town of Condom in Gascony (going along with the reputation of hot-blooded, lusty Frenchmen), or an English physician, Dr. Condom, who 'perfected' the device in an effort to protect Charles II from VD. And that's probably more than anyone wanted to know about the history of the condom ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, January 6, 2002 09:55:57 AM
IP: 64.24.187.187

Close but no cigar -- but what would I do with such an awfull thing -- yick. Someone merely smoking one near me can force me into a fit of coughing and nausea.
silvadel
Sunday, January 6, 2002 09:42:38 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Sweet day today. Took Niamhgold and my little bro to the LA auto show, where we saw all kinds of cool stuff. Hope to have some pictures up shortly after I get back to Berkeley.

We saw a bunch of very interesting-looking concept cars, the new BMW 7-series, beautiful Italian sports cars (those Italians sure know autos), and the new Nissan Z.

Alex had a great time, and Niamhgold appeared to enjoy herself as well. Everyone's happy. Got some cool posters and drool-covered clothing ;-) My list of cars to own when I conquer the planet is now...large.

Thanks to everyone who wished me condolences. For everyone who didn't...I'll see you in hell ;-) Nah, just kidding.

Tomorrow night we go back up to Berkeley before expo, so I have to spend tomorrow packing, which should be *loads* of fun (no pun intended). We had a very late dinner (midnight) with my roommate and my friend John at a deli down the street, and hung out their for a couple hours building towers out of various items on the table. Everyone thought we were nuts (not an unreasonable assumption).

Christine: <<This led to a colossal fight>>: Yeah, I know what you mean. There are huge splits in my family and in my roommate's family because of stupid stuff like contesting of wills. Cousins I never see or hear from because of splits between their parents. Dumb stuff. <<Geek Hierarchy>>: I am on so many levels of that simultaneously that its scary.

Gunjack: <<I'd assume that you'd get the most nutrition by eating the chicken and then the corn>>: Are we just talking about nutrition or living the longest or best use of energy or what? <<everyone's favorite word, right>>: Anal or Sex? <<Orbital bombardment? Killer Doll assault? Releasing mutated goldfish into the water supply of a major city>>: I don't think the first and last would help. <<Wrong RAM, it cost $30 more than it was supposed to, and it didn't speed up my computer any>>: So *that*'s what it feels like to get anally raped. <<making a functional bong out of a live chicken>>: WHOA! Sweet! <<Unless you consider Abortion to be murder, in which case calling it a "civil liberty" would be absurd>>: You are absolutely right. <<When the Boy Scouts do the same thing, however, they're attacked as bigots and/or hatemongers>>: I don't think there's anything about being pro-life or pro-choice that makes someone a bigot or hatemonger either. Now, there are plenty of pro-lifers that go around committing the equivalent of hate crimes against pro-choicers and vice versa, but the issue itself is not inherently hateful. A policy that forbids a certain group, however, seems to be inherently bigoted. Though I guess you could argue that pro-choice is inherently bigoted aginst people who aren't born yet, but that seems like silly semantics. <<how could it be anything BUT a religious issue?>>: I am totally areligious (is that even a word? it is now), yet I have no problems forming an opinion about the issue based on my gut. I don't need someone else's gut telling me what to do. Between my brain, my gut, and my penis, I have enough trouble making a coherent decision. <<Morality is just applied Truth>>: Have *I* got a philosophy class for you! <<you're practicing a form of philosophical identity theft>>: What if you believe in *almost* every tenet of catholicism, but happen to be pro-choice? Would you allow such a person to call themselves a catholic? <<Proof that a little knowledge is a profoundly dangerous thing>>: That is *so* true. <<I'd bet that, under the right circumstances, most everyone in here would agree with me>>: You're probably right. But talk generally doesn't bother me, neither does writing. Its when people *act* on it that starts to offend me. I really don't have a problem if a bunch of white trash wants to shave their heads, tatoo swastikas on their butts, and rant about killing black people. When they *go* around and kill people, I have a problem. <<Machine-gunning toddlers, systematic rape and torture of ethnic groups, thermonuclear war, Chekists, that kinda thing>>: Yeah. And Canadians. <<when people express dissapproval with forms of communication they consider harmful and/or distasteful (ie Hollywood, porn, some forms of modern art), they're immediately slapped with the censorship label. Why is that?>>: Because usually, its a bunch of annoying mothers of grade-school kids who want them banned from society, not just the community they live in. They aren't everyone, who the hell are they to tell me what I can't see in an art museum. If they don't like it, they don't have to view it or go. <<The question of whether a fetus is human life or not is a scientific one, though... is that what you mean?>>: I don't even think its a scientific one. It appears to be totally belief-based. Because it depends on your definition of life. According to a hospital, you're dead when your heart stops beating. That would imply that life begins when a heart beat is audible, which is something i kind of agree with. But I fully support a woman's right to abort a pregnancy as long as its early on. Later, I start to wonder...but I'm not gonna tell someone that they CAN'T do it just because I don't agree with it. It's not MY body. <<His ideas on child-rearing and education were regarded as brilliant and revolutionary, despite the fact that he quite obviously knew nothing about either.>>: Ironic, isn't it? <<Obviously, they'd taken a wrong turn. So they threw out reason, too>>: Welcome to the USA, 2002.

Greg X: <<Saw Rocky Horror twice in ten days>>: Not impressive. <<We threw in a "Gargoyles" joke during the show... it went like this>>: I thought people didn't call lines during the RHPS broadway show. <<No one else got it>>: Inlcuding Mann, I'm sure. <<got him to sign Gargoyles stuff. He was a very nice guy. Hopefully we'll get him to a Gathering one of these days>>: He's in the area, try for 2003. <<Personally, I think censorship is the worst form of evil there is>>: Worse than Babs?

DPH: <<Did you enjoy the anagrams of your name that I sent you>>: Yes, they were very funny. But I'd kind of appreciate it if you didn't send me that stuff. That's the way you get on spam lists, etc. <<Or to have conquered the world, only to be overthrown>>: That's just the worst.

Lain: <<i'm trying not to make this posting thing a habit>>: God forbid. You'd turn out like some of us. <<you DONT want to know the state of my bum every thirty seconds?>>: Not even every 30 days. Or 30 years. <>: Much appreciated. Send them to Moochie.

Green Baron: <<As much as I love history, I don't know very much about condoms>>: I'm shocked. No, really. <<lambskins are not very effective in preventing AIDS. I have no idea about syphilis and such>>: Fortunately, AIDS didn't exist at that time. <<that sounds normal for an all male NAVY team>>: In Southeast Asia. <>: ? <<but the missionary position really wouldn't be possible>>: As Christine says: BZZZZZT! Thank you for playing. <<sexual positions outside the missionary>>: Those are wrong!? !@#$!%%!#@$%!#$!#$ <<Stuff involving bath houses, rodents, and multiple partners, I am not so open-minded about.>>: Spoil all my fun, why don't you. <<Especilaly now that you ahve met the Niamhgold. Now, Gside and I will pester you for pictures>>: I wish I could. Sadly, not a single one has come out decent. With her permission, I will refer you to *HER* collection of pictures. <<Why repress when you can discredit>>: One is a backup for the other. <<the priest responsible would be preaching to livestock in South Dakota>>: When you say preaching, you mean !@#$ing, right? Because that's what they do in SD. <<Aw, mom, cut it out>>; He was such a good jewish boy, too.

Metaldemon: <<they just better be ready to defend their ideas when I get a hold of them>>: Easier said than done. <<Because it's never mentioned in the Bible>>: Ooh, good point. <<America WAS founded on Enlightenmant ideas (Deism, Freedom, etc.), but not on the philosophers' lives>>: Thank god. Then we'd all be drug abusers and brothel regulars...DOH!

Warpmind: <<Undefeated Writing Contest Winner two years running>>: Have you ever been the defeated winner? <<you DON'T want to know>>: Well then I guess I already do. <<it doesn't mention civilians' right to censor various material. Just an observation>>: Yes, but then it becomes a fine line. Suppose we live in a representative democracy (which our government would have us believe). Then a bunch of people decide that they dont' like harry potter and they want it banned from their community. Even if every person in the community agrees with it, is it fair to pass a code for that community that says Harry Potter may not be sold/read?

Fire Storm: <<for blood hits>>: Catsup explosions! <<how would they be able to get it up that many times in one night>>: 10 to 20? Between dusk and dawn? Is that all? <<it was a portable, wasn't it?>>: Yes, but i twasn't a handheld! That was what we were originally talking about, of which the Newton was the first. <<she won't admit that she is a good artist>>: Like Niamhgold and my friend John, they suffer from serious ego problems relating to their work. <<Talk about a hot seat>>: Hotter than the pentium 4? <<some of them are still in use>>: But again, that's not a handheld. <<Mac software>>: Those are mac programs, you dolt. Nevermind that Office for Mac repeatedly gets more awards and praise than Office for PC...and PC gurus often bitch to M$ about how much better it is on the mac. <>: Remember it? I had a problem on my stat final about it! <>: Me too. They're not much fun, especially in Star Trek where they don't work right. <<Christians take all the fun out of life!>>: And out of sex too! ;-)

Shadowrider: <<Who said I was talking about YOU?>>: Everyone is always talking about me. <>: Sounds vaguely familiar. Lots of puttying. <<for sure I learnt the lesson>>: Ditto. <<You lucky bastard! You verified, huh, you filthy pig?>>: I didn't say that at all! <<are all those little red hearts flying arond the CR yours?>>: Uh...no. I don't think its like that. <>: Barbarians?! We're the ONLY computer users with any culture and taste whatsoever! <<have fun in LA with Josh!>>: We are. <<But not too much>>: Don't worry, I won't do anything you wouldn't do...whatever THAT limits.

Yooper: <<If I'd wanted an illegal handgun, it'd have taken 5 min. "Here's your money." "OK, here's your gun.">>: Ironic, isn't it? <<If he wants Anakin to have an unholy relationship with one of those things they rode in "Empire Strikes Back," he's free to do so>>: That's just sick. <<Selling Out" is a code phrase for "He is trying to have as many customers as possible>>: No, its code for "not caring about the people who care about and support your work so that you can make it a pop icon" <<if N'Sync gets killed, I'd pay full admission just to see *that*>>: Only if its a particularly gruesome and prolonged death. None of this 2-second explosion garbage.

Gside: <<You Casanova>>: Hardly. I was just showing off my future house. <<They were wondering hwy you were walking backwards>>: My beard isn't THAT thick. <<if I get much sicker, I might get banned>>: You also might be used as an anal probe, but we're not gonna lose any sleep over it. <<Kill the chickens the first chance you get>>: I hate chickens. <<when did you get off?>>: Do you really want the answer to this question? <<There are slight stylistic differences>>: Not to mention the difference in grammar and spelling errors, plus your apparently lack of desire for me to perform felatio on you. <<Was it that "school" website?>>: The singing school for norweigan lesbians? <<The only things on the island are sand, you, the chickens, and the corn>>: mmmmm...sand...

Ugh okay its 5AM. Sleepy time.

You, fetch me the Wall Street Journal. You two, fight to the death.
-Stewey, "Family Guy"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Encino, CA, US of A
Sunday, January 6, 2002 08:03:27 AM
IP: 206.170.217.131

She Who Remains Unanointed><<oh yes, my love, i agree whoooole-heartedly ];)>> You still never explained why you disagreed with that book... as I recall, we got sidetracked into the Korean War and the mechanics of knowledge aquisition... : P
<<*grins another ethically challenged grin in the direction of gunjack* what, me? opinions? never...>> That grinding sound you hear would be what's left of my teeth... : P
<<be nice and talk to your fan!!!!!!!>> Gside's my fan? I thought it was the other way round... o.O

Greg B.><<Personally, I think censorship is the worst form of evil there is.>> Come off it; there's plenty of worse things. Machine-gunning toddlers, systematic rape and torture of ethnic groups, thermonuclear war, Chekists, that kinda thing.
Two incidental points. First, as Warps has already pointed out, the First Amendment only restricts the GOVERNMENT from restricting free speech. And second, I'm not convinced that expression is always better than suppression. As an example, let's say I was a dashing social revolutionary given to incendairy rhetoric. And let's say you could prove that every time I made a speech calling for all true citizens to kill every policeman they saw, the annual mortality rate for police officers jumped up one percentage point. What if it was rape, or burglary, or assault? Explain to me why it's better for me to continue to be allowed to make those speeches?
No, the government cannot and should not be able to censor *SPEECH* (other forms of expression such as burning the flag or displaying one's genitals in public are far more questionable), but that doesn't mean that private organizations can't or shouldn't. In the above example, I'd argue that any government or private organization that gave such a speaker so much as a soapbox to stand on would have blood on their hands. And yet, when people express dissapproval with forms of communication they consider harmful and/or distasteful (ie Hollywood, porn, some forms of modern art), they're immediately slapped with the censorship label. Why is that?

Metaldemon><<Pardon me for intruding in posts.>> Feel free!
<<The way I always interpreted the "let he who is without sin...." was that this statement sort of abolished any sins deserving death since most death sentences were carried out by stoning.>> Arguable. It could also be that this was a setup (note the absence of a second party, despite the fact that adultery is a two-person deal), and that the pharisees challenging Jesus had in fact framed the woman. It might also have to do with the fact that the Law didn't, in fact, call for her death (if I remember correctly). Then there's the part about the whole passage being absent from the earliest manuscripts available. There might be some other variables; it's been a long time since I studied it at length. In any event, It's a bit too shaky for me to use as a condemnation of capital punishment.
And I really don't know where you get the "Mary Magdeline (assuming that that's who she was)=Prostitute.... Unless that's the reason they didn't have a guy? they hired her and then arrested when she agreed?
<> ...Unless their saying it causes harm, as is entirely possible. Not all bad ideas can be countered by a good arguement; look at the man who incites a riot with an especially hellish bit of street oration.
<<Because it's never mentioned in the Bible.>> Murder is mentioned in the bible, and it's definition is about the same as the biblical one. The question of whether a fetus is human life or not is a scientific one, though... is that what you mean?
<<They are to be read for their ideas, not the personal lives.>> In his case, his personal life sheds a great deal of light on his ideas... His ideas on child-rearing and education were regarded as brilliant and revolutionary, despite the fact that he quite obviously knew nothing about either.
<<America WAS founded on Enlightenmant ideas (Deism, Freedom, etc.), but not on the philosophers' lives.>> Ah, yes... the Great Thinking of the "Enlightenment". "Let's toss out all this religious gibberish! Reason is all we need to create the perfect society!" ...And after a few tens of millions were killed, they figured out that things weren't working like they expected. Obviously, they'd taken a wrong turn.
So they threw out reason, too.

Goodnight everybody...
Gunjack " - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Sunday, January 6, 2002 02:59:34 AM
IP: 172.168.240.180

Well, it appears to be working, and secondary sources seem to indicate it shall contine.

Imzadi> <<My great uncle (my grandmother's brother) passed away last night>>: My condolences.
<<Niamhgold and I went to the Getty Museum of Art>>: You Casanova.
<<No wonder everyone at G2k1 was looking at me funny. No wait, that might have been my face>>: They were wondering hwy you were walking backwards.
<<This isn't the first time>>: No, but a bit more than the usual at this time. And luckily teh Comcast people seemed to also.
<<Impressive>>: I thought so.
<<Clearly, you're not slick enough>>: But if I get much sicker, I might get banned.
<<But you're ECE>>: Right, but a number of those books were from general classes.
<<The bastards>>: Exactly. At least it's only 1.75 per week.
<<Sick dude>>: There. I'm getting better.
<<It was a Pentium?>>: Nah, it was good with division. Though it might be interesting to devise an encryption depentant on faulty chips.
Christine> <<a funeral is a sorry occasion to get everyone together>>: Then have a wake. "...some of the boys got roaring drunk, and they ain't got sober yet..."

Gunjack> <<If you feed the corn to the chicken, you'll still have a net loss of energy, ne?>>: Exactly. Kill the chickens the first chance you get.
<<@&%#>>: Well, when did you get off? I had exams until the 22nd.
<<Oh, *I* get it... everyone's favorite word, right?>>: I don't think it quite counts as being dead.

Lain> <<i'm trying not to make this posting thing a habit but.. i have been known to fail on things like this before>>: You'll have to excuse me if I hope you (and he both) fail.
<<bow chicka chicka bow wow woooooooooooooo!!>>: So he has been weak, has he?
<<be nice and talk to your fan>>: Thank you. The thing is I miss having all of us going at the same time (me, him, Warps, Wilek, Fire Storm, and Imzadi now).

Green Baron> <<When did Jackal take over your mind?>>: I wouldn't say he has. There are slight stylistic differences.
<<Now, Gside and I will pester you for pictures>>: Evil laugh.

Warpmind> <<if you have to ask what kind of writing contest it was, trust me, you DON'T want to know... Trust me>>: Was it that "school" website?
<<Not a Mousse joke>>: Thank you.
<<That new headmaster is freaky>>: As is the rest his family.
<<I'm taking it disc by disc, you know>>: Watch out. There is evidence the OVAs happen after the movies.
<<Be wary of potential laughs in the Q la... Engineering Guild Basement>>: Joy.
<<Close Encounters of the Third Kind is on>>: DECCG. Oh, and are you having mashed potatoes for dinnner soon?

Fire Storm> <<Killer love doll assault?>>: That's just mean. Or at least go for a kill before humiliating them.
<<And so what if the math was wrong? It was a portable, wasn't it?>>: So true.
<<BUT the chickens may be able to find their own food>>: The only things on the island are sand, you, the chickens, and the corn.
<<your screwed anyway you look at it>>: There is hope of a rescue.
<<talk about a paradox>>: It was a hard migration that year. Strongbeak and Quickwing were worriend about the rest of the flock...

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, January 6, 2002 01:39:45 AM
IP: 68.39.9.124

Cyberklaw> I sent you a reply, check your e-mail.
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, January 6, 2002 12:37:11 AM
IP: 216.179.3.180

room wipe? odd... haven't seen one of THESE in a while...
Gunjack "INTP" Valentine
Saturday, January 5, 2002 11:14:14 PM
IP: 172.168.240.180

Metaldemon/Todd - John 8:1-11 if you are interested.

It wasn't Mary Magdelene at all... Just a "woman caught in the act of Adultry" The Pharisees were challenging Jesus, testing him against the laws of Moses that stated that she should be stoned to death. Jesus simply said that the one who was free of sin should be the one to cast the first stone. Once the crowd dispersed he told her to go and sin no more.

Please note that the man she was commiting adultry with was not in line to be stoned that day. Nice huh?

You can blame Pope Gregory I for Mary M. being pinned with the whole "Prostitute" thing. Some people think she was Lazarus's sister (Mary of Bethany). Nothing confirms either of these in the New Testament. It is all speculation. There were 3 different Mary's mentioned in the New Testament that could have been the same person. Heck! Some people think that the book of John was actually written by Mary! We will just have to wait it out and ask the Big Guy himself when we all get there. ;)

I think the bottom line here should be that ... it really shouldn't matter what Mary Magdalene was BEFORE she met Jesus... but who she was AFTER she met him.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Saturday, January 5, 2002 10:38:07 PM
IP: 63.28.181.153

Number eight!
Patrick Toman
Saturday, January 5, 2002 10:10:59 PM
IP: 66.72.207.127

oh NINE NINE!!!!!!!!

WAHOOOO!!!!!!
lain
Saturday, January 5, 2002 10:10:53 PM
IP: 64.228.196.181

Top whatever!

I forgot it was Saturday!
Fire Storm
Saturday, January 5, 2002 09:18:02 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

TOP 10!!
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, January 5, 2002 09:15:53 PM
IP: 204.94.193.50

Firestorm >>> <1. The staff, while they may be busy, they are working on the stories, which should be out by March.> I realise that they are busy, but I've been waiting for a reply for months now. All I'm looking for is at least a 'yes', 'no' or 'keep waiting'. Something to let me know they haven't just forgotten about me and my request.

<2. Even if they DO need help, they are currently in the middle of taking care of everything and it would be extremely confusing for everyone if someone just jumped in.> OK. I'm willing to admit you have a point there. It's just my patientence is getting stretched a little thin. My problem.

<3. Do you have any gargoyles stories written? Or, for that matter, have you written any story longer than 10 pages? I couldn't find anything in the GFW under your handle.> And here is proof that my posts here go largely unread! I do believe I have said before here that I have a web site where I have a couple of ongoing (Non-gargoyles) stories that I write. Once more, the address is: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/storycrafter

I have been writing for seven years now. I am unpublished, but have written two complete novels, and am halfway through a third, with sevral others in early stages of development. Gargoyles stories are something new I have started within the past few months. I have two complete and ideas for many others. The two I've finished aren't online however. They remain unread by anyone beyond me.

So, do you think my writing credentials are enough to be considered for the TGS staff?

<Anyway, the staff knows that if they need help, all they have to do is ask and they will have a few dozen people jumping at the chance to help them.> Yeah, I'd be one of them.

Anyway, thanks for the reply, Fire Storm. I appreciate the help, but I'm going to go on waiting for a reply from the TGS staff...
cyberklaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Saturday, January 5, 2002 09:03:37 PM
IP: 152.163.201.58

Top Ten!

Possibly Top Five?
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Saturday, January 5, 2002 08:59:50 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

3rd! whoo-hoo!
Daphne
Saturday, January 5, 2002 08:46:51 PM
IP: 12.90.41.130

SECOND
metaldemon
Saturday, January 5, 2002 08:44:07 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

First?? whoa baby! *giggles*
Jan
Saturday, January 5, 2002 08:43:34 PM
IP: 12.110.236.225