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Silvadel > Me, easily offended? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle African American (gotta be PC, after all). Yep, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. So if I believe that the soul has already taken up residence at birth, I'm entitled state that I find the context of your statement that newborn babies are just on autopilot just a bit disturbing. If you want to interpret that as an "attack"... well, I guess that's also an opinion you're entitled too.

But to accuse me of being too easily offended and in need of a thicker skin... :: looks around the room :: ...I think Bugs Bunny said it best when he stated "He don't know me very well, do he?" ;)
Patrick Toman
Friday, February 1, 2002 10:15:41 PM
IP: 66.72.198.5

MD - You okay, dude? What's eatin ya?

David G><<I'll leave you with a Rush-ism that my archconservative friend Chris gave me.>> As itr happens, this isn't orrigionally a "Rushism". It was, I believe, first put forward *ducks thrown plate* by conservative author Thomas Sowell *sidesteps a sledgehammer* in his excellent book "Vision of the Annointed". You're missing *twists to avoid several pencils thrown with deadly intent* the other half of the equation, though. Liberal Good is essentially the Creed of Political Correctness; at its core, the twin values of extreme liberty and extreme equality. I suggest you find the book; it makes for absolutely fascinating *doesn't quite dodge the large tractor trailer that smashes him anime-style into the floor* ...reading.
Ooog, ya commie! What ever happened to peace, love, dope?
Gunjack "Who Needs the Geneva Convention* Valentine
Friday, February 1, 2002 09:35:10 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Patrick -- So I do not believe the vast majority of babies are born with a soul -- that the soul arrives later -- That is my belief and I am entitled to my beliefs.

Attacks however are not things to which we are entitled. And while you can disagree with a belief -- without evidence it is very provincial and ... to try to squelch peoples beliefs.

And at any rate it was originally placed in parenthesis at the bottom of a statement about a recent bush policy initiative. It is not I who is going out of his way to .... My advice to you is to purchase a thicker skin. You are obviously way too easily offended.
silvadel
Friday, February 1, 2002 09:31:00 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Silvadel > If anything was uncalled for, it was the implication in your comment that babies don't have souls "for the first few weeks."

Crzy > So how long do I have to be a good Republican before I get my mansion and my Mercedes with the Rush Limbaugh bumper sticker? :)

Siryn > Yikes. When that sleep debt comes due, you're gonna be snoozing like Rip Van Winkle.

:: goes off to submit a CR profile ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, February 1, 2002 08:50:56 PM
IP: 66.72.192.152

Sorry for 2x post:

Lain>>Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Yeah, that aspirin factory in Sudan shouldn't have happened. Why do you think conservatives loath Clinton? He just did it because the impeachment vote was the next day. That, is for his own political benefit. "Wag the dog," as it were. Another thing to blame on that f***. I believe the owner successfully sued the U.S. government.
Yooper
Friday, February 1, 2002 05:49:27 PM
IP: 141.219.84.191

I'll reply later, when I have more time. I just wanted to post a link and ask Lain for more information.

Check out the link from satirewire.com "ANGERED BY SNUBBING, LIBYA, CHINA, SYRIA FORM AXIS OF JUST AS EVIL"

Lain>><<realize that maybe if youre going to truck-bomb a mosque and try to kill as many people as possible>> I don't recall this one, where and when was this? Come to think of it, what gov'ts did we topple since 1991? I'm not denying your statement (yet) I just don't recall offhand.
Yooper
Hougton, MI
Friday, February 1, 2002 05:46:10 PM
IP: 141.219.84.191

Patrick> Re on caffeine and Sugar: Hehe..actually..i'm curently having problems falling asleep.. ^_^;; I can only seem to sleep for about an hour or two per night.But it really didn't matter because last night I had a Big animation project to finish so I needed to be up anyways. ^_^

So...lesse..umm gathering news, Vendor information is on the site, (I'm slowly filling in stuff this weekend, there should be an email update next friday talking about all the cool new stuff on the page..if you guys don't already go looking for it. ~_^)

$35 registration is now closed! (obviously) <:) Regular registration has begun! I've kinda 'taken down' online registration until I find out why there is a bug..howeverif you want to register via online, simply send your information in email form to the gatheirng address. ^_^

The mascot naming contest is closed as well, they'll be an announcement of the winner in the next week or so! ^_^

Oh...picture of the Junior Mascot! (i don't think I posted this..? IfI did sorry! ^_^;;)
http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/jm4.jpg

As always, any questions, comments, concerns, flames, cookies, or thankyous pleasefeel free to email us! I'll try to answer your question asap. <:)

Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Friday, February 1, 2002 05:05:51 PM
IP: 24.93.24.62

ok... I'm not gonnna add to the controversies over abortion, war, or God... I nsome cases I have opinions, in others, I don't yet know enough to form opinions. I bet some of you can *guess* my opinions pretty well, but I'm not gonna contribute them this round.

Instead, I'm going to simply point out that it is once again time for Daphne's Annual Valentine's Day Boycott. For more info, check out the link.
Daphne - [<boycott info!]
Friday, February 1, 2002 03:55:10 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

JEN> <<Hope ya still luv me! ;)>> No worries there, I don't pick and choose my friends based on personal politics or differences in opinion. Unlike some other people, I don't think that those who don't agree with me 110% are the enemy ;)
Greg Bishansky
Friday, February 1, 2002 03:48:50 PM
IP: 216.179.2.123

Sorry, but the subject LITERALLY turns my stomach. :P

Greg, I am pro-life/pro-death penalty. Sorry dude, but I believe the innocent should live and the guilty should die. Hope ya still luv me! ;)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Friday, February 1, 2002 03:37:52 PM
IP: 67.227.14.220

Man what a reception for my little statement.. All I said was that Bush pulled a fast one... I am sure the pro-life crowd is ecstatic about it.. The pro-choicers are upset about it.... In my view it was a very tidy coup for Bush... He is smarter than he looks even if he doesnt share my views on this issue(which I put in parenthesis at the bottom just to show where I was coming from -- NOT to debate the issue).

People are so very polarized on this one. The remark by Jennifer was uncalled for IMHO.
silvadel
Friday, February 1, 2002 03:19:43 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Hi. Friday is here! ^_^ I'm looking forward to another great weekend.

Christine> <Stephen King> At least he promised to finish The Dark Tower series... With that in mind it makes me think it'll really be years before he retires. ;)

Fire Storm> No 3D work? Say it ain't so!

Shadowrider> Best of luck on the four finals coming up! Dreamie and I are hoping you will ace all of them and figure that's likely anyway. :) <In D&D silver weapons have effect against undead> Silver or magical is a requirement for lycanthropes. While undead can be hurt by normal weapons, vampires require extra measures to kill. One method is track them to their resting place, drive a wooden stake through their heart, decapitate them, and stuff holy wafers in their mouth. Another would be to get them out into the sunlight. Anyway the point is they are supposed to be very difficult to truly kill.

Dreamie> **Kisses, nuzzles, cuddles, repeat** I love you. You should post. ^_~

Josh> <armrest> We went to a different theater that night since it wasn't playing at the one we like.

I'll leave you all to your various debate topics which I find amusing. Bye bye.

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Friday, February 1, 2002 02:49:58 PM
IP: 172.181.42.145

*in best stoner-voice*

woah dude! slow this flyin number down, man, i wanna get off!!

metaldemon>> calmness. *sends flakey hippie vibes* all will be well.

sj>> <<First off, I'm a complete f'ing retard for bringing this up again>> well, if its buggin you, i have no problem talking about it. though youd probably be best to do so in email. <<Sorry about that>> apology accepted :) <<But you forget, I saw all of that IN YOUR OWN WORDS. I didn't get it 2nd or 3rd hand from anyone (especially not from the person you probably think I did). And I've heard the "explanations", and I didn't buy them>> thats strange.. i dont recall having sent you a single email.. which means i have no idea what you heard from whom, how accurate it was, how *complete* the story was or any of it. do you understand? if you wanna talk more about it, do it in email format. <<But I'm biting my tongue so damn hard there's blood pouring from it>> so.. youre a bleeding-tongue republican? o.O

josh>> <<Pretty much. I can't think of any other reason why you can't grasp that WE NEED TO KILL THIS GUY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.>> hello? *knocks on joshs forehead* didnt i just say i got that? maybe you posted before i po sted that.. so ill let you off.. o.O <<You know, I see a lot of criticism from you, but not ONE suggestion from your or metaldemon about WHAT WE SHOULD DO that would WORK and MAKE
EVERYONE HAPPY>> okay, now THAT is a fair argument. though its true i dont think you can really make EVERYONE happy, there are things that can be done that will make people happy enough that they wont feel it necessary to go around killing you. lets see here.. well.. you probably *shouldnt* openly support one side during an armed conflict, and secretly sell arms to their opposers, cos the guys you support tend to get pissed off when they find out. you could try *not* goin back on international treaties, you could figure out that sponsoring state terrorism and genocide is a fairly bad idea, also that the CIA shouldnt really be going around toppling foreign goverments and replacing them with oppressive dictators (it aint the cold war no more), realize that maybe if youre going to truck-bomb a mosque and try to kill as many people as possible (hopefully including this *one* guy you want to kill.. who you missed but killed 85 or so innocents and injured 250 more, mostly women and children) you might not want to be so indignant when someone does it back.. and figuring out that sending cruise missiles to destroy pharmaceutical plants in poor countries where there are sanctions in place to stop them getting medicines from elsewhere and causing.. ooo.. tens of thousands of people to suffer from curable diseases is *NOT* a good thing..
not doing that sort of stuff would go a looooong way to making LOTSA people happy, and not giving the extremest psychos more fuel for their fires.

david g>> <<I'm sorry I didn't consider the feelings of short-sighted, idiotic, sheep-like people who can't handle opinions that differ from their own and are so shocked by any ideas that run contrary to their limited worldviews that they lose their ability to read half way through a paragraph>> wow you mean.. im NOT the only person in here who feels like that? o.O

abortion>> NOT goin there..

later
lain
Friday, February 1, 2002 02:43:43 PM
IP: 64.228.195.61

I'm with Greg on this one. Already argued the pro-choice/pro-life thing to death on the adult comment room, along with eugenics and cloning.

Me, I'm pro-choice, pro-death penalty too. And that's about all I'm going to say about it here. Too busy writing a naughty Macbeth/Demona story to be distracted by this kind of stuff.

Gotta run. Ice Storm kept me from returning rental tapes and have to get Blade and Cat People back before Block buster charges me a new week of fees. bleh. Least the ice is melting.

Brotherhood of the Wolf tonight if all goes well, woo hoo!

*kitty kiss for Greg*
smeck!!!

bye for now
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Friday, February 1, 2002 01:52:54 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Oh crap, not abortion again. Let's not start this again. This is just a really tired subject because no one ever changes their views on it, it just ends with people yelling at each other and feeling more morally rightious than the either. It's always the same thing Soul/No Soul, Unborn Child/Fetus/Parasite, does it have a brain yet, or not? And the religious implications in this are also huge. But in the end, it's a waste of time.

On a related note, I can't stand seeing the Pro-Life be Pro-Death Penalty, and the Pro-Choice be Anti-Death Pentalty. I think it's hypocritical. Me, I'm Pro-Choice and Pro-Death Pentalty thus making me Pro-Death. There, I coined a new term ;)
Greg Bishansky
Friday, February 1, 2002 01:12:56 PM
IP: 216.179.1.12

Boy, if they ever do make Haldol in a handy Glade Plug-In, I'm getting a jumbo-pack for this room ...

Got nothing constructive to add so I'll just go quietly panic a little over the possible impending retirement of Stephen King.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, February 1, 2002 12:48:59 PM
IP: 64.24.214.79

Silvadel - Could you talk about slaughtering babies somewhere else, please. You are about to make me vomit.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Friday, February 1, 2002 12:36:29 PM
IP: 67.227.14.220

David G.> You did make yourself clear, and I apologize if I came off as being especially rude to you. I'm just not thinking rationally right now.
Sorry.
metaldemon
Friday, February 1, 2002 11:54:55 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Metaldemon> I shouldn't have unloaded on you that way. It's just that I seem to get that kind of thing all the time. I say something perfectly reasonable. I take pains to make sure people know what I mean. And then someone comes along and totally ignores the disclaimers, or massivly misinterprets what I said, or takes one tiny thing and blows it all out of proportion while ignoring all the rest...

(sigh) I'm having a bad day.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, February 1, 2002 11:39:02 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Warpmind -- Yep that sounds like windows XP... My advice for ANYONE thinking of installing XP on a working computer is to make it a dual boot machine. Even if you get XP to work it will likely be incompatible with some program you have to use so dual boot is your best solution. Plus if the worst happens you arent screwed.

------

Bush pulled another interesting maneuver -- Using the excuse of allowing extra governmental pre-natal care, he changed the verbiage from fetus to unborn child. One big and sneaky step towards trying to outlaw abortion. <If you are interested in my view on the subject, my belief is that there isnt a soul there until the baby shows some volition.. Before that it is all autopilot... Hence it is usually weeks after a baby is born that it acquires a soul -- personally I think aborting a mentally malformed fetus etc is sparing a soul from having to endure a life in that body>
silvadel
Friday, February 1, 2002 11:38:34 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

David G.> I wasn't pissed at you.
metaldemon
Friday, February 1, 2002 11:27:54 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Metaldemon> (sigh - bloody stupid people who can't be bothered to read the whole bloody post. Makes me wonder why I bother) Let me go really, really slow for you. I'll try to limit myself to small words:

I don't usually agree with Rush.

I don't like Rush very much.

I thought the bit I posted was interesting. It amused me. I put it up because I thought some of you might be amused as well.

I'm sorry I didn't consider the feelings of short-sighted, idiotic, sheep-like people who can't handle opinions that differ from their own and are so shocked by any ideas that run contrary to their limited worldviews that they lose their ability to read half way through a paragraph.

I'll try to do better next time.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, February 1, 2002 11:18:14 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

josh> perhaps we're LOOKING FOR ANSWERS. THEY'RE JUST THERE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR THEM. Here's, stop putting dictators into office. Stop toppling governments that aren't that bad. Try anything elses BESIDES A BOMB. Violence isn't the only answer.
David G.> What, Rush is the know all now? Forget the fact that he's biased as hell. I don't agree with Euthanasia, in fact, I think it's disgusting; despite m,y morality, I think someone still has the right to do what they want with their life.
My concerns on good and evil is when actions are taken out on other poeple...like murder in all it's forms. Rush probably won't say that.
More later, I am too pissed right now for a certain reason to think rationally.
metaldemon
Friday, February 1, 2002 10:21:03 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

I am SO not getting into this one... Let's just say that I think there was a conspiracy to bring down the towers... but it wasn't created by a bunch of rich Republicans. :P

Damn it, SJ/Josh... I get really annoyed when we all agree. If we used our powers collectively for good, we could change the world.... ... or take it over. >:)

Patrick - I'm so proud of the good Repubican you have become! ::sniffles:: :)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Friday, February 1, 2002 09:55:16 AM
IP: 67.227.14.220

Warpmind>> Thanks to you (and Kessalia over in S8 who sent me some fossils in exchange for a pic), Paul has the most interesting rock collection in the science fair. However, I think the kids that did the 'build a car, smash it into a brick wall, and see which design worked best' experiment are like to win.

Jan>> The secret to building a fast pinewood derby car is a simple design and fast wheels, however, Ryan attributes HIS success to the DBZ of Goku on the back of his car giving it "extra Ka-me-ha-me-HA! power." My Webelo son, Paul did rather well too, coming in 5th with a Nascar design. (He still hasn't gotten over his little brother beating him though!)
Spike
Friday, February 1, 2002 09:42:40 AM
IP: 64.216.238.142

Hi ya'll. I'm loving this war/peace debate.

Not enough to actually get involved in it, but it's fun to watch.

I'll leave you with a Rush-ism that my archconservative friend Chris gave me. According to Chris, Rush described the difference between Conservatives and Liberals as follows:

When a Conservative finds himself in a difference of opinion with someone, he sees it as a matter of right and wrong (as in "correct" or "incorrect" - not in the moral sense). One side has the right answer, and the other side doesn't.

When a Liberal finds himself in a disagreement with someone he sees it as a matter of Good and Evil. Since what he wants is obviously good, then anyone who wants something different is obviously evil.

I don't know that I really buy it since so many liberals I know are moral relativists, and since so many conservatives are miopic moral crusaders, but it's kind of an interesting thought.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, February 1, 2002 09:02:56 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

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Friday, February 1, 2002 05:47:55 AM
IP: 216.254.103.103

*Warpmind enters, looking about as cheerful as if his dog got run over by a car, and then eloped with his lawyer.*
This day has started out magnificently... I come to work, and find that they've installed Windows XP on the machine I work on. The thing takes half an hour plus for me to get my LOGIN working, and then, when it seems to work, the darn thing guzzles more resources than, oh, I don't think there IS a working analogy... Heck, mp3s sound scratchy when I try to type... or scroll through text... or do ANYthing... :(

Lain: Hey, I'm not the one who tried that password; I was laughing, too. };)

Spike: Hey, groovy! Good thing they wind up as more convenient objects than just paperweights. :) As for geology being safer... everything's relative; I'm not 100% sure about the statistics, but I think more people die in avalanches and mudslides than in explosives accidents... ;)

Cyberclaw: Hey, the whole paradoxical thing doesn't bother *me* much; I even acknowledge the existence of a Creator as highly plausible. I just don't think He's as omnipotent as the Bible might indicate, since he kinda f*cked up with the whole Free Will deal He gave us humans. ;) And I recommend you try to read the book "God Game". It goes on a bit do describe how dreadful the job of God must be. And how important timing is.

Robby: Funds are a bit scarce right now, but, most likely, I can scare off most others who might consider buying the boxed set. (Spending 300$ on a boxed set of DVDs containing an anime series virtually nobody in the country has seen is not exactly the common man's practice, eh? At least when the box indicates a total absence of tentacles...)

DPH: Organization in chaos? Yes, but if you look hard enough, you can also find Chaos in organization. Just look at any business you know - there are invariably chaotic elements there. Most of them, I gather, wear ties and glasses. };)

Gside: Actually, Takahashi characters decided that ruling Hell was a genuine waste of time, and decided to take a vacation. As for the Discworld books - I'm only at Sourcery yet, so I haven't actually read Carpe Jugulum yet... just seen the title (and heard a few references to it).

Josh: The group, on the whole, seems a bit obsessed with personal safety. Can't really say I blame them - a 1" thick wooden stick over bare knuckles is rather painful to those - unlike me - who have a genetically imperfect pain response. (My nerves don't translate epidermal pain well. I do feel pain, but not as much as more normal people.) And I didn't say I was the biggest, meanest guy in the group, did I? ;) And no, I don't go rearranging JWs' beliefs with blunt implements. Just by giving them something to think about.

Shadowrider: Exactly. Anything that can make a JW reconsider his beliefs is good. };)

Now, the war issue... Here's my POV on it, as a Norwegian.
For the last years, Norway has intervened in a handful of conflicts as some kind of peacemaker, using diplomacy and soft talk. USA has intervened in conflicts, too, but with swift and rather merciless firepower. What has happened? Sure, sure, the US has seen upswings in economy on these occasions. And what has happened in Norway? Leading political figures have had nervous breakdowns, and the latest one just went to Israel to get some peace of mind... That does say quite a bit, doesn't it?
IMO, in an ideal world, no country alone should take on the job of World Police. In the REAL world, vigilantism is not only possible, but sorely needed. And, as it is, the US is the only country with the chutzpah to pull it off... I do not say that war is good in any case... but, looking at people like Hussein, Bin Laden and their friends, well... the alternative is a lot worse.
(Oh, and if Bin Laden gets his nukes and triggers them in a US city, make it Chicago. They've passed a law against it, which will get Bin Laden a hefty fine.) ;)

Well, 'tis all for now. I'm off ta read that Harry Potter fanfic. :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, February 1, 2002 05:02:31 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

Well, I woke up at the buttcrack of dawn today, thinking that I'd use the time after my structures class to go to office hours and get some help on my lab. Foolish me. I walk into my structural engineering prof's office, and what do I see?

Him on a Titanium Powerbook.

I'd given up hope of finding any mac users in the civil engineering department who use macs (as Patrick pointed out, PC's are the industry standard). But today I met one and heard about several more. Apparently all of my friends have an engineering prof or two that uses macs, and the profs have difficulty talk about anything else with fellow mac-users. He referred to himself as a "renegade", which was pretty damn funny.

So anyway, I wound up spending my valuable time talking to my structural engineering professor about the virtues of OS X and how to fix his printer and offering him help or software if he needed either. Hopefully, my offers of help will get me a better grade. Hey, you don't think I got to be a Berkeley engineer without a profound knowledge of sucking up, do you?

At some point, he answered my questions on the lab.

I had some other classes later on. I managed to get through my 3-hour lab in just one hour, which was really nice.

!@#$. I found out that a trip to the east coast is gonna cost me mega-money. I am not happy.

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Shadowrider: <>: Spoken like a true evil man. <<a dear friend of mine was kicked out of the car by that f***ing boyfriend of hers in the middle of nothing, in a foggy night of winter, at 3 AM...and guess who was awaken by a girl in tears and had to go and search for her>>: Well what did she do? <<if I can make a suggestion, next time you build a model, you could make a pic of the cockpit before you put in the canopy>>: I'll do that, but I don't know when it'll be. <>: In most plastic models, there isn't much going on in either the intakes or the exhaust nozzles. But my biggest model had some nifty veins and gears in the nozzles. Usually, though, there's just a single piece of plastic molded with two fans just inside the intakes and that's it. No scale engines or anything like that. <<how does that relate with the topic?>>: The best jokes in engineering are the dirty ones. <<the kind of wood pole I would use with a vampire is not exactly the same kind of pole I would use with a girl>>: Again, lost in the translation, I think. "wood" is slang for an erection. <<In D&D silver weapons have effect against undeads, but>>: No, that's werecreatures. Any magical weapon will do against undead. <<it is weird that they don't previde the possibility of removing the armrest between a seat and the other>>: That would cost money. <<drag has a tendency to increase faster than lift>>: Thought so. <<Maybe I should put a padlock on my PC as long as I' haven't finished...I'll consider it>>: Did you mean to chain your PC to your desk or chain yourself to your PC? Because only the second one will help you study.

Patrick: <<The rooster came first... then promptly fell asleep>>: Did he have a sandwich first? <<made sure everyone who was also wealthy and upper class took that day off or otherwise avoided the area>>: I swear I didn't know anything about it! <<On the east coast, that translates to the first nonstop flights of the day. I think trying to read anything more into the timing of the events is just silly>>: I agree. Your explanation sounds much better than Mara's. <<you never learned that it helps to be polite and ask NICELY for things. Especially when you're a newbie. Way to make a first impression there>>: Maybe now you'll all kick his ass at G2k2 instead of mine. <<Laptop cats and laptop computers aren't compatible. :: blows cat hairs off the keyboard :>>: LOL! Try laptop computers and coke.

Shinigami: <<The attack came by surprise, why not attack when the building was at full capacity?>>: I'm sure they considered many possibile times, but that time worked out to coordinate all of them closely. Plane flights spread out more later in the day. <<Being an evil bitch and all>>: Not all evil bitches are as smart as you are. <<those who could leave (in the other building, in lower floors of the tower that was hit) were told to stay inside>>: Believe it or not, they didn't think the building would come down. It was technically safer to stay inside. <<That is all, hope it makes sense>>: Not really. It sounds like you're such a hard-line democrat that its blinding you. Any president is equally likely to be a scumbag.

Spacebabie: <<In the northeast its warm and dry...meanwhile it's snowing in California>>: This sucks. I hate this. <<Tell Me God Doesn't have a sense of humor>>: Okay. God doesn't have a sense of humor. <<So it was cold?>>: I'm cold just thinking about it.

Christine: Now if only I could find time to read your Harry Potter stories. I will, as soon as I read the rest of the books. Whenever that is.

Gunjack: <<come close to locking my middle fingers in the extended position.>>: How will you type? <<you don't really understand dick about how armed forces work, do you?>>: She's a woman and a democrat, what do you want? <<Weapons wear down and become obselete>>: Weapons wear down, yes. But obselecence is determined by what everyone else has. If everyone else still has propeller planes, than our jets will not be obsolete until that changes. Right now, no one can afford to out research us. So new projects probably aren't that critical. <<Sacrifice the tech edge, and you go back to fighting wars of attrition>>: There's a level of tech that is necessary to avoid attrition, and then there's overkill. <<And my head is a burrito>>: That explains a lot. <<God forbid that foriegners die when Americans can die instead>>: Welcome to patriotism, hippy style. <<They told the rest of the world to go **** itself, declared militant neutrality, and sat up in their mountians laundering money for Nazis and the Mafia. They don't peacekeep, they don't Do Good, they just drink hot chocolate and count their coins>>: Jew-owned coins, usually. <<NATO can go diddle its granny>>: Such lovely imagery from a christian. <<We should have closed our eyes>>: No. Because if we didn't assert ourselves, eventually some rat bastard would have eyed our natural resources and landed on our shores. And then we'd be really f*cked. <<Assuming the country is a closed system, corperations steadily increase the wealth for everyone>>: But it isn't a closed system. <<eventually move up the ladder>>: I think we proved pretty conclusively that trickle-down economics didn't work.

DarkD-fx: <<The last time i checked this site was for Gargoyles and Gargoyles only>>: You have us confused with S8. This site is for people who don't suck. So get out. <<Please keep your shit topics to your-self your all very long winded>>: Guess what. Nothing important has been said about gargoyles IN 5 YEARS. This is a room where people who liked the show can meet and socialize, not a forum for gargoyles. There are other comment rooms for that. <<where the hell is season 4 i really want to read it if the guy/guys who make it are reading this please hurry up, my sanity is fading qwickly>>: I'd say that its already gone, if you're this concerned about season 4. Its never coming, so you can quit yer bitching and do something important like work on your terrible language skills. Your country invented the damn language, how about you learn to speak it? <>: The show was cancelled 5 years ago. Where were you?

Fire Storm: <<so consider it additional real-life learning!>>: I consider it a waste of the taxpayers money. My money. <<but in my case, my prayers aren't answered>>: CRASH. <>: I couldn't either. <<you must have balls of steel>>: You have confused him with me.

Greg X: <<As opposed to the bullshit propaganda that the conservatives want people to believe?>>: Pretty much, yeah ;-) <>: Do it soon. My plan to conquer the planet is taking longer than expected, and I need someone to bribe. <<she goes without saying>>: Damn straight. <<this is one reason why I would never join the military>>: They would also make you cut your hair. <<Temporary name of course, we'll need a better one>>: Bow before me, mortal!

Silvadel: <<Perot was sincere when he said his family was threatened and that he worked at dismantling the reform party from the second he dropped out>>: This country sucks.

Jan: <>: Don't make her jealous 8-) <<The guy would have regretted the day he was born! I haven�t heard you talk of this before � I hope that she dumped his skanky ass!>>: Have either of you stopped to think that she might have done SOMETHING to deserve that? Guys don't just ditch girls for no reason. Even if there's another girl, we're not stupid enough to leave one on the road...that kind of thing can get back to us. <<c�mon, lighten up!>>: I'm sorry, but I expect more from someone WHO REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. <<then he�s doing pretty damn good as our president>>: I didn't say he wasn't. But I dont' think that has anything to do with him being an idiot. That's why presidents have more advisors than Bill Gates. <<peeping?? Not hardly� participating, but not peeping>>: LOL. <<Speak for yourself, bubba! I have a profile up, thankyouverymuch>>: I know, I read it. <<if it�s a life of poverty, what type of individuals are you going to attract?>>: People who are even poorer, probably. Or people with no future. I know if I couldn't get an education like this one, I'd have joined up. <<color me shocking pink and spank my butt>>: LOL! NO thanks. <<another resident of Care Bear land. Please enlighten me on what you would do instead>>: That's not important! What matters is that we were bad, der! ;-) <<they really should have their fanny�s busted� I think SJ would volunteer for that job>>: I'm sure, in more ways than one. <<looks around the room* naw, can�t say that He doesn�t. Just kidding>>: Are you suggesting that we're ugly?! ;-) <>: Can you fake having a baby? Women can do some amazing acting, but that would be really impressive. <<what would have been a misdemeanor turned into several felony charges. Can we say, stupid?>>: People dont' like jail. Period.

DPH: <<We should have the capacity to evacuate the entire planet in case of asteroid strike. We should have the capacity to destroy any asteroid (no matter what composition) before it could reach the Earth's atmosphere. We should have the capacity to mass produce vaccines for millions in the event of biological warfare>>: But we already have Bruce Willis and Dustin Hoffman! <<Listing your email address here is a direct invitation to spam>>: Shush! He doesn't know that!

Hey, he finally admitted it!

Yooper: <<that's something that only the private sector can do in any meaningful numbers>>: I think FDR would disagree. <<Let's step into the wayback machine for a moment>>: I can't! Sherman is trapped downstairs. <<We didn't start any of these wars. We just joined them after they happened>>: I'm sorry, but that's just not true. We made unification attempts impossible because we were afraid of the vast communist power of DOG EATERS IN VIETNAM. Did you ever wonder why the SOUTH vietnamese hated us too? <<most of us "hawks" don't really like war>>: True. You are absolutely right. Civil engineers really are much smarter than we get credit for. ;-)

Lain: <<we could go off and have a sordid love-in and have lots and lots of stupidly hippie kids with rediculioulsy large hearts that spew blood aaaaall over>>: Please don't. <<the us is the self-appointed commander of the uns armed forces so.. they do what they want anyways>>: Would you rather have someone ELSE leading them? <<morally acceptable" beats "ethically challenged" simply by refusing to submit>>: Bull. You don't need to be morally acceptable to be stubborn. I am living proof. BEEFCAKE! <<youre telling me this because im presumably too stupid to put two and two together and come up with the right answer?>>: Pretty much. I can't think of any other reason why you can't grasp that WE NEED TO KILL THIS GUY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. <>: Not everyone is a bleeding heart liberal. You know, I see a lot of criticism from you, but not ONE suggestion from your or metaldemon about WHAT WE SHOULD DO that would WORK and MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.

Metaldemon: <>: You mock those of us that use red for anger 8-) <<there would be too much blood all over if we bread>>: I hope you meant "bred", because bread isn't a verb.

Sevarius Jr: Yes! I was wondering when you were gonna stick your head in here. <>: You? I'm shocked again. <<What did the Martians do when they released the doves? They started vaporizing everyone>>: Because doves are the intergalactic symbol of SHIT. <<all politicians are, in the end, pretty much self-serving scumbags>>: Cuz really the only reason to go into politics is to screw hot chicks. <>: The real irony is that most spoiled rich college kids become republicans nowadays. Except for the REALLY rich ones, like my roommate over there. As my father says "he can afford to be a democrat".

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
-Robert A. Heinlein

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, February 1, 2002 03:01:38 AM
IP: 64.170.154.146

<<looks like the match-up of the week is going to be the Hawks and the Doves right here in the comment room>>

NICE. I get to be a bird of prey!

And I'd like to make an obscure movie reference: Remember Tim Burton's "Mars Attacks!"? What did the Martians do when they released the doves? They started vaporizing everyone.

AND they started screaming, "Ack! Ack, Ack! Ack, Ack!" Which, ironically, is what the peaceniks sound like to me. AFLAC! AFLAC!!

Things really are like old times, though. Doug shows up this week, and we're debating politics again. Oh, and I'm agreeing with Gunjack (did you see THAT one coming?) and disagreeing with lain. It's nostalgic.

DarkD-fx: You came into this CR with a lot of anger, and some naughty words as well.
You'll fit right in!
But this is the TGS CR, where we've abandoned all logic, and most talk about Gargoyles themselves. But wait until the new seasons start, the discussion will start up again.

Bush / Clinton - the 9-11 fiasco, controversy, shenanigans, M. Night Shymalan, etc.: Yeah, Bush is a bit of a tool. I voted for him, but I always wanted McCain. However, Bush IS doing a good job, which REALLY pisses off the hardliners in the democratic party / leftist camp. But again, have some perspective! Don't be so angry. You're acting like us Republicans. We believed with 100% certainty that Clinton was a lousy president, but approval ratings said otherwise. So we had to nitpick, and we came up with Monica. And you liberals yelled at us for it.
So, don't fall into the same hole. Sit back, relax, seethe with anger quietly, and then wait till Bush REALLY screws up, then use your venom. Better that way. Patience, grasshopper, once the domestic policy stuff kicks in, you can have your fun like we had ours.

Greg has hit it right on the head, though - all politicians are, in the end, pretty much self-serving scumbags. But most of us know that going into the voting booths.

lain: <<a word of wisdom is that you might try asking them directly for clarification, instead of taking second or third hand accounts which may, or may not, contain the whole story>> First off, I'm a complete f'ing retard for bringing this up again. Sorry about that.
But you forget, I saw all of that IN YOUR OWN WORDS. I didn't get it 2nd or 3rd hand from anyone (especially not from the person you probably think I did). And I've heard the "explanations", and I didn't buy them.

<<dont worry guys, were both HIV negative>> A dozen REALLY off-color AIDS jokes just ran through my head, but I'm responsible (sometimes), so I won't say them.

But I'm biting my tongue so damn hard there's blood pouring from it.

Speaking of peaceniks, let me again leave you with the wisdom of lil' Jimmy Norton:

"I hate hippies. Spoiled, rich college kids with nothing better to do. Kent State was the BEST thing that happened in the sixties."
---Jim Norton, tinkle drinker and occasional conservative
Sevarius "You think YOU'RE bitter?" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 1, 2002 02:35:44 AM
IP: 207.172.11.148

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its february 1...

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lain
Friday, February 1, 2002 02:35:40 AM
IP: 64.228.199.147

yooper>> the point still remains that you gave chemical weapons-making know-how to the guy, and then stood by while he killed of HIS people with them. in fact, not only stood by, but supported him by increasing ties with his economy. and whichever way you cut it, that is not right.

<<And as far as just "standing up" to UBL: this man is trying to lay his hands on *nuclear weaponry.* If he gets a bomb, it's going off in a major American city>> and.. youre telling me this because im presumably too stupid to put two and two together and come up with the right answer? i know about <<this dictatorship called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics>> and i ALSO know that the US funded the coup that put <<this dictator which we don't particularly like>> in power.

as for osama, i am well aware that the <<costs of not stopping him are too great>> despite popular belief, im really not that stupid. however, i also dont think that killing osama is the answer. maybe in the short term.. but america has a great past record of short term solutions which bite them in the bum in the long term cos they arent thought out too well. theres more that needs to be done than just offing osama. if the other things arent fixed, then theyll be another osama.. and another.. and another and so on and it will just be bad all around. people will die for no reason and senseless hate will abound. and i will have countless breakdowns because i just dont understand how people can hate each other and kill just like *poof*.
i simply dont get it.

i know your national security is at stake. i *get* that. i *get* the part about innocent people dying (*ANYWHERE*) being bad.
but i also get the part about needing to be very careful about not creating this situation over again. im concerned about the us' support of the nothern alliance, who (dispite outward appearences) also harbour a lot of anti-american sentiment. it has some future bum-biting potential.
i am concerned with the over-emphazizing that the name "osama" is getting and the apparent obsession over him. once hes killed, i am afraid most will think its over and fixed and become bored, because when all the osama-hype is gone, there doesnt seem to be much to replace it.
i am afraid there is too much "reaction" happening in us foreign policy, and not enough "prevention". you seem to react when stuff happens thats bad, instead of trying to think where actions might lead down the road - its gotten you in trouble before, and im sure its coming back. i dont want to see the same mistakes made over again, because that does nobody any good.
lain
Friday, February 1, 2002 02:31:58 AM
IP: 64.228.199.147

Auugh, pressed 'Submit' too early, sorry for 3x post.

Look, contrary to the impression you may get, most of us "hawks" don't really like war. It's just that we don't think that our enemies will respond to non-violent means. Christ's statement to "turn the other cheek" was meant against a slap in the face, i.e., an insult. And yes, the U.S. has been guilty of overreacting to insults. But it does not mean, "Turn your back to the guy coming at you with a knife." It's a guide for living, not a suicide pact.
Yooper
Friday, February 1, 2002 02:07:20 AM
IP: 141.219.84.191

Sorry for 2x post. New replies appeared while I was drafting my first.

metaldemon>><<WW II didn't create peace. The US just continued it's war-like ways>> Yes, let's see. We went into South Korea *after it was invaded*. (Korea was a UN action, BTW.) We went into South Vietnam *after it was invaded*. We went into Kuwait *after it was invaded*. Also, we only went into WWII after *we* were attacked. We didn't start any of these wars. We just joined them after they happened. <<Besides, look what intense punishment did for Germany (thanks to Europe); it pissed them off and fostered WW II.>> You will note we didn't punish Germany after World War Two. Furthermore, Afghans were dancing in the streets after the fall of the Taliban. It's tough to see how we're "punishing" their country. <<The one we have with Cuba is useless. It's an old grudge that needs to be buried. It would acutally help Cuba if we lifted our sanctions on them.>> No argument here. I'm at fault here for not stating it in my first post, but I was trying to say that sanctions tend not to solve anything. Saddam Hussein is still there; probably will be until he dies of natural causes or we take action to remove him. Now, the B-52 on the other hand, did in fact make Afghanistan a marginally better place. Food aid is flowing into the country much faster than it did before the fall of the Taliban, which would not have occurred without the ol' Stratofortress.
<<Plus, I don't pretend to know the answers to better methods. Those were the first things that popped into my head. But, that's exactly what I need to look for and find. However, I am not going to abandon the search for better, peaceful methods as long as I know they are out there and can be used. Results won't be instant with these methods (I know that), but I feel it is better to wait for results than to have killed so many people and get results instantly>> I understand where you're coming from, but I refer to a statement in my first post: "We also have people trying to *fucking* *kill* *us.*" From what I've seen on the news, a lot of terrorist attacks were disrupted by our attack on Afghanistan. Marines raiding camps discovered plans being developed to launch many more attacks, and these discoveries probably halted any attacks about to get underway; that's how Al-Qaeda is set up. If anything, repeat anything, smells wrong, these terrorists have been trained to scrub their mission and call back the planning cell for another try. They're very meticulous, and it makes them *very* dangerous, but they are prone to calling off missions if security at a site happens to be different than they had planned. They have very little operational flexibility, and it's their biggest weakness. Time is of the essence here. Is there a non-violent solution out there? Personally, I doubt it. Humans have a long history of using violence to get what they want, and stopping only when overpowered. But even if there is one, it doesn't matter if we find it after the Bomb goes off in Washington.
Yooper
Friday, February 1, 2002 02:02:39 AM
IP: 141.219.84.191

lain>> Let's step into the wayback machine for a moment...
It's 1991 and Saddam Hussein has just invaded Kuwait. All intelligence points to him trying to stroll into Saudi Arabia, which has a pretty good chunk of the world's oil. We go in and throw him out, humiliating his army. We station troops in Saudi Arabia and sanction him because it's pretty damn likely he'll try it again. Of course, putting troops into the Land of Mohammed pisses off a man by the name of Usama bin Laden.

Now, let's imagine we say, "Well, war is so evil, we'll just have to let him pillage Kuwait, and watch from the sidelines as he rolls into Saudi Arabia. We can't defend them and 'refuse to submit' since we're at the end of a 7000 mile supply line and he can drive from his capital to the front in less than a day. He can just launch tiny little attacks that suck a lot more money from our treasury than his, until it becomes politically impossible for Congress to continue to fund it." So now we have a violent maniac pursuing weapons of mass destruction in charge of most of the world's oil. But we don't have Usama bin Laden to deal with.

And as far as just "standing up" to UBL: this man is trying to lay his hands on *nuclear weaponry.* If he gets a bomb, it's going off in a major American city. He has to be stopped, and the only viable way to do this is by killing him. Will we piss off a lot of people? Yes. But the costs of not stopping him are too great.

As for funding dictators: As you may or may not recall, there was this dictatorship called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics trying to conquer the world, and they were making pretty good headway on it. We can let them continue, we can fight them ourselves--which will likely start a nuclear war, or we can fund this dictator which we don't particularly like, and might cause a lot of problems later on, but has forseeable consequences less dire than the other two options.

The only way that anyone can plan is by going with the option with the less dire forseeable consequences, then managing the unforseeable ones. That's why we funded Saddam Hussein in the '80's. We know what the costs of not doing it are--doubling the size of a Iran, which was arguably worse at the time (and by the way, was that way because we withdrew support from another U.S. backed dictator, the Shah)--but have no real way of forseeing what exactly will happen if we do.
Yooper
Houghton, MI
Friday, February 1, 2002 01:34:44 AM
IP: 141.219.84.191

Sorry for the double post.
Comrade Lain> As you can see, I am using red now for hidden purposes. You are doing good by using red, also.
And yes, my comrade, I am quite sure; though the thought of America slaughtering me for the better good sounds inticing (joke, Yopper 8P).
Plus, there would be too much blood all over if we bread :P
Come, there's a spectre haunting the CR, the spectre of.... Bwahahaha!! :P
Yopper> Before I forget.
I don't think Europe really cares about who leads History. Modern history seems to be more focused on Europe, anyways. Besides, they seem to be more sophisticated than to care on who leads history (of there is such a title). they lead the intellectual and literary and art history, that's for sure (they made Phenomenology, Psychoanalysis, Impressionism, Existentialism, Deconstruction, Structuralism, Surrealism, Expressionism, etc.).
How are we leading the world in history, and how is Europe failing to do so?
metaldemon
Friday, February 1, 2002 01:16:29 AM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Yooper> Uh, you kind of forgot Vietnam, Korea, Gulf War...all wars (none declared by congress, though). WW II didn't create peace. The US just continued it's war-like ways. Besides, look what intense punishment did for Germany (thanks to Europe); it pissed them off and fostered WW II.
As for the trade stuff. Yes, you raise very good points, all of which Lain brought up to me over IM. Peace isn't an easy road to take. However, annihalting a country doesn't solve much in the long run. It fosters anger towrds the US.
It's good to note that since the 70's, after the US lifted it's trade sanctions with them, China is becoming more and more democratic than what it started out as (or so says my conservative gov't teacher); they still have a ways to go.
The one we have with Cuba is useless. It's an old grudge that needs to be buried. It would acutally help Cuba if we lifted our sanctions on them.
Plus, I don't pretend to know the answers to better methods. Those were the first things that popped into my head. But, that's exactly what I need to look for and find. However, I am not going to abandon the search for better, peaceful methods as long as I know they are out there and can be used. Results won't be instant with these methods (I know that), but I feel it is better to wait for results than to have killed so many people and get results instantly.
For one. the US needs to stop toppling governmants and replacing them with genocidal killers. You know why they replaced Gutemala's pres with the guy we wanted...cuz he belived in free-markets. I am not saying that free-markets lead to holocausts (I'm not that stupid); but we seem to care more about making countries swich to our methods of economics than letting countries have their own. We tunred a blind eye on Guatemala for a while, since their economy was doing so great; and hundreds of peasant natives were being knocked off by their "president" for demanding help for their families.
Good doesn't kick ass the way your thinking; good kicks ass by seeking an opposite method to cancel an evil.
metaldemon
notned
Friday, February 1, 2002 01:03:31 AM
IP: 24.219.165.75

*wanders in aimlessly, sees metaldemons belly, squeaks with excitement, and runs over to pet it enthusiastically*
WAHOO!!!!

comerade metaldemon>> are you absolutely SURE youre gay? cos.. if theres any slight chance you might have ANY bi in you, we could go off and have a sordid love-in and have lots and lots of stupidly hippie kids with rediculioulsy large hearts that spew blood aaaaall over... ;)
seriously, though. i must protest. <<Trade sanctions, withdrawing aid and money, or even go through the UN to get stuff done>> now here, i disagree. i dont really believe that trade sanctions work at all. they have this nasty tendacny to injure the poor and helpless, while not doing too much damage to the ruling party against which they are (supposedly) intended. take iraq for example. people are starving and have little medicine, but it hasnt loosened saddams grip in the slightest, has it? in fact, he uses it as anti-american propaganda. but you still continue with the sanctions.. withdrawing aid and money, again, hurts the underprivilaged, while leaving the elite safe (cos.. they already have the money..) and.. going through the UN??? LOL!!!! america vetoes whatever the hell it wants so nothing useful really gets done anyways. the us is the self-appointed commander of the uns armed forces so.. they do what they want anyways. stopping the <<things that the US does that piss people off>> like.. organizing coups that put saddam and pinochet (to name two, dont worry, theres more) in power.. and then support saddam and feed him weapons and chemical/biological weaponsmaking instructions, and then knowingly allow (if not support) his killing of the kurdish minority in his country using those chemical weapons and then all of a sudden.. when he does that to somewhere where theres oil? oh no, cant have THAT.. makes me wonder whats greasing the wheels of the presidential brain these days..
*heart squirts some more*
dont worry guys, were both HIV negative..

i agree with you that there ARE better methods.. and that war is used often because its easy and good for the economy..
yooper <<Good defeats evil by kicking its ass>> "morally acceptable" beats "ethically challenged" simply by refusing to submit. there is no ass-kicking required..
*squirt*
sorry about that..
*hands yooper a towel to clean off the blood*
<<But there will still be places in the world where we will have to use our military might to best our enemies.>> id argue that you might be better to use your brains to stop creating enemies in the first place..

anyway, thats my rambling for today..
*hops on metaldemons flying pony, and exits for a blood-spewing world-tour*
lain "theres no profit in peace, boys, we gotta fight some more" iwakura
the Great White North
Friday, February 1, 2002 12:59:19 AM
IP: 64.228.199.147

Yooper wanders in and sits on the couch...

I'm so glad this past few weeks is over. I got an undergrad research assistantship, and I've practically been living in the lab. Just got done taking strain measurements, and I'll have to enter data into a spreadsheet tomorrow.

Between that, homework, getting jacked around by the university housing office, and shooting, I haven't had much time. Also gotta write a paper for my "Reading Marx" class this weekend.

My old roommate moved out last semester, so I either had to find a new roommate, pay $400 for a single-person room, or go into the "roommate lotto." I found a new roommate, but have to move into his room, mostly because he has so much more stuff. It makes me sad. I really like my room. I could've had a room to myself if I hadn't bought that new pistol. Actually, I don't regret my choice.

Hmmmm. Interesting debate(s). On to replies...

Mara>><<We're in a fucking recession, why not use the money where needed>>We also have people trying to *fucking* *kill* *us.* Personally, I think stopping them takes precedence. Besides, the government won't lead us out of recession. Unemployment won't go down until people start getting hired, and that's something that only the private sector can do in any meaningful numbers.<<May it bankrupt those pill making bastards who no longer are interested in curing diseases because the money is in long time prescriptions that don't do diddley-squat>>Actually, the reason there's no money in curing diseases is because whenever they spend research money to make headway against a major disease, someone steps in and steals it. Take S. Africa w/ AIDS medication. Drug companies spent literally billions of dollars to develop drugs to prolong the lives of AIDS sufferers, and they are demonized and browbeaten into taking a smaller than acceptable rate of return. So from the viewpoint of the companies, it's "Take incredible risks to develop a treatment regimen for cancer/AIDS/whatever, and get called evil when we try to recoup our investment, or develop a pill to give old people hard-ons, and take a much smaller risk of having our patents broken." It's not a tough choice. And yes, I know they'd only develop a treatment regimen for the money. But they'd actually develop a treatment regimen. And it would be done for a hell of a lot less money than the government would do it for, because a CEO will cut off funding for a research vector that doesn't seem likely to yield results in a heartbeat. Those things can live forever on a government project, because it's politically impossible to stop funding.

Metaldemon>><<There are other methods to punish a country besides (since the US is so bent on punishment) bombing and killing>> Let's take the parenthetical first: What else can we do besides punishment? Negotiate with these people? How can you meet someone trying to install a vicious worldwide theocracy halfway? "OK, Mr. Bin Laden. We'll slaughter half of the homosexuals in our country by toppling walls onto them, and require the use of the veil by women under pain of imprisonment on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. In return, you stop the jihad." Besides, Clinton tried dealing with it piecemeal and UBL just took it as a green light to attack our soil. ("America is a paper tiger," or words to that effect.) Now, onto your suggestions for punishment: <<Trade sanctions>> Afghanistan doesn't export anything besides heroin, and that's already "sanctioned." Besides, we've had sanctions on Cuba for about 50 years, and Fidel is still there starving, imprisoning, and murdering his people as one of the most oppresive dictators in the world. I'd bet that he won't stop being one of the most oppressive dictators in the world until he dies of natural causes. <<withdrawing aid and money>> Then we'd be listening to people bitch about how cruel we are, starving millions of innocent Afghan people to death, instead of listening to bitch about how cruel we are, accidentally killing hundreds of innocents in bombing raids. And, quite frankly, they'd be right in this case. It wouldn't change the regime, (The country couldn't get much poorer) and it would have killed millions of innocent people instead of hundreds of innocent people. Besides, they'd have just upped heroin production, since poppies are their only viable cash crop. <<go through the UN to get stuff done>> The U.S. doesn't go through the UN to "get stuff done." We go there when it's not that important and we want to make a show of "multilateralism." Countries that hate us will interfere, just for spite. <<there's things that the US does that pisses people off>> Of course. Some of it is justified. Most of it is not. We will be hated by many simply for our power in any case. For example, I think that the biggest reason that Europe is yapping at our heels like a bunch of little dogs is that they haven't quite reconciled themselves to the fact that they are now the back-seat drivers of history. They'll come running to us for military aid if things flare up in Kosovo again. <<war never makes peace>> WWII <<Good defeats evil>> Good defeats evil by kicking its ass. Al-Qaeda will not stop killing people until it is destroyed. It is best for everyone if we hasten this as much as possible. In some countries, we can use sanctions, etc. But there will still be places in the world where we will have to use our military might to best our enemies. If one side wants to go to war, you have two, and only two, options: Surrender, or fight. Terrorists have declared war on America, in those words.

I'm gonna hit the sauna before bed.

Stop the movement! Reunite Gondwanaland!
--Geo department T-shirt
Yooper
Houghton, MI
Friday, February 1, 2002 12:07:11 AM
IP: 141.219.84.191

JOSH> <<Not in Batman Beyond, where Ras used her body as a host for his mind so he could keep living.>> Well according to Ra's words "He called upon Talia to make the ultimate act of loyalty", and after helping Batman reap out his biggest defeat, he may have been able to guilt her into doing it. She's always been fanatically loyal to both Bats and her old man. Then again maybe not, we never saw it happen. <<Depends on what Luthor was after. I'm sure if it was just a simple competiton there wouldn't be a problem.>> Naw, no matter which way you cut it, Luthor is no match for him. <<And Barbara Streisand.>> Well, that goes without saying. <<You forgot Demona>> No I didn't forget my Goddess. Again she goes without saying.

FLEUR> <<Luther vs. Xanatos> Yes, let us answer the eternal question! Who makes a better villian - a guy with a goatee and a ponytail or a bald guy?>> The guy with the goatee and a ponytail of course. Why else do you think i went for that look myself? <<With my Aaron? Not bloody likely.> ROTFLMAO

David G> <<God is so far beyond logic that rational science is useless in proving or disproving his existence.>> But we know the truth, there is a Goddess and she is a really hot, blue-skinned, red-headed gargoyle. She matches the qualifications, immortal, came back to life, has her own worshippers.

PATRICK> <<Geez... do you HAVE to keep posting comments that I agree with? This new trend is starting to disurb me.>> Eh, you get used ti it. I know I did ;)

JAN> << yeah, because they have more class than that.>> Funny, Mara does not violate my standards of class. Not in the least. But I guess what I consider classy would shock and frighten some people ;)

JADEN> << Think twelve hour gate guard shifts for 22 days straight.>> See this is one reason why I would never join the military.

LADY MYSTIC> Nice job on the Profiles Page, but I need to add my Religious stance, after years of searching I discovered that I'm a Follower of Demona. Temporary name of course, we'll need a better one.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:06:18 PM
IP: 216.179.6.131

Well, I'm just having a terrible time. Think twelve hour gate guard shifts for 22 days straight. I'm beginning think that within the next two years the Army is going to be hurting for soldiers. Almost everyone I know wants out soon. It feels like the higher you are in the ranks the less you care about everyone else. I just found out that I at least one impinched nerve in my back and wearing all that gear is causing GREAT pain and do they take me off? Nooooooo. Good news though, I think I passed one of my mid-terms.
How about everyone else?

Well gotta go to sleep. AT 8 P.M.!!!!!!!
Later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:41:15 PM
IP: 172.183.186.37

Jan> I'd rather be in Care Bear Land than be in the hell-hole that war makes.
Hey! Wanna touch my belly? Cuz ther's a BIG rainbow on it and it zooms out. It's magic! I even have a pony that glides across the world, leaking blood from my bleeding heart. I really wish I could find a band-aid since it's bleeding like crazy. Oh well, guess the heart can't be mended. YAY!!!!
PLease, don't take that as an insult; I am trying to show how...silly counter-arguments like that can be. It establishes nothing.
There are other methods to punish a country besides (since the US is so bent on punishment) bombing and killing. Trade sanctions, withdrawing aid and money, or even go through the UN to get stuff done; and these are just a few; there ARE better methods, we just hardly ever go for them since war seems to be more profitable.
We have a sanction on Cuba that isn't doing much, but we haven't bombed them. The people there aren't stupid either; Castro blames America, but most can see right thorugh his eyes and into his lofty mansion.
Plus, find the root of why poeple are angry at the US. It's not because "they hate freedom" or becasue we're so filthy rich; there's things that the US does that pisses people off.
Evil never drives out evil. War is supposed to create peace; yet war has been raging for cenuries.....where's the peace that was supposed to evolve? the truth is is that war never makes peace...it can't. Evil doesn't make good; it makes more evil. Good defeats evil.
*heart squirts blood* oh, sorry, let me clean that up. 8P
Gunjack> Yeah, there are good capitalists who actually practice what Adam Smith intended. Like Andrew Carnegui...somehat (sp?). But, for the most part, none follow through. The industrial revolution is an example.
metaldemon
notned
Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:28:41 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Forget the Rams and the Patriots in New Orleans... looks like the match-up of the week is going to be the Hawks and the Doves right here in the comment room. And that said... I think I'll stay out of this latest round.

Re: WTC "conspiracy" - The reason I've heard put forth for why the attack happened early in the morning rather than at noon or any other time was that the hijackers, looking to make their task easier, targeted large jets loaded up with fuel for cross-country flights but carrying very few passengers. On the east coast, that translates to the first nonstop flights of the day. I think trying to read anything more into the timing of the events is just silly.

DPH >> My dad found my checkbook and my comb INSIDE a coach. << Is your dad a surgeon, or a bus driver? Or was that just a typo? ;)

Siryn > Are you getting enough caffeine and sugar? ;)

DarkD-fx > Evidently you never learned that it helps to be polite and ask NICELY for things. Especially when you're a newbie. Way to make a first impression there.

Todd > Ah... it all makes sense now. Thanks for the analysis. :)

Random comment > Laptop cats and laptop computers aren't compatible. :: blows cat hairs off the keyboard ::

:: fading fast, off to bed ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:25:46 PM
IP: 66.72.205.82

Robby: Fine. <sighs> You all want to be this way, fine. Anybody does want to talk to me, Shadowrider can provide my email. I can put you in touch with Kit, who does not and never has existed only inside my head. Later friends. Later.
Doug
Thursday, January 31, 2002 09:57:39 PM
IP: 67.25.133.16

I don't believe the world is advanced militarily enough. We should have the capacity to evacuate the entire planet in case of asteroid strike. We should have the capacity to destroy any asteroid (no matter what composition) before it could reach the Earth's atmosphere. We should have the capacity to mass produce vaccines for millions in the event of biological warfare. When will the military be advanced enough? When we have a defense against anything that can be thrown against us. Until that simple condition is met, we aren't prepared enough.

Why did I miss seeing the State of the Union address? I was stranded after my car broke down.

My dad found my checkbook and my comb INSIDE a coach. If my missing keys would magically appear, . . .

Christine - what kind of morons would try to improve on a winner? The only thing to improve was the bars that held the hammers in place. The only bot that "Son of Wyachi" had to worry about was BioHazard. I guess that proved the pyschic wrong.

Darkd-fx - Listing your email address here is a direct invitation to spam. This is a community that revolves around gargoyles, but not dominated by gargoyles. Timedancer season 4 will premiere when history says Timedancer season 4 premiered, not one moment sooner.

New Joke: Did you hear about the time-traveler who lost a set of keys? Apparantly, a future version of himself/herself borrowed them and forgot to return them.

Dumb question: Isn't it impossible for every country in the world to export more than they import?

Today, somebody flipped a vehicle completely over next to me. Funny thing is just up the road is a place that serves alcohol. I wonder if alcohol was involved in this accident and I wonder why I wonder that.

Here's one standard for determining truth: when people from opposite political points of view agree on something. Anybody know where I can read a transcript of the State of the Union address.

Patrick - I would rather keep my comments about the Illuminati & the events of 9-11-2001 to myself.

Shinigami - <The attack came by surprise, why not attack when the building was at full capacity? That bothers me.> Would the impact of the news had been the same if it came across at 12:00pm? You know that would make an interesting paper about why the time of the events was chosen, considering alternative times.

Daphne - Wait a minute: haven't you figured out most of who I am by now?
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, January 31, 2002 09:12:55 PM
IP: 204.94.193.70

DarkD-fx> <<my sanity is fading qwickly.>> so is your ability to correctly spell. Besides, if you have sanity to fade � then you don�t belong here.

Mara> Thank you! I sincerely mean that, too. I have had a harsh day at work and I came home� sat down in an attempt to unwind and then read your �conspiracy theory�. I don�t think I�ve laughed this hard in such a long time! Laughter really is good therapy : )
President Bush choking on the pretzel because he�s an idiot or was drunk: You�ve been watching too many SNL skits! *L* If you actually believe that it happened the way you described it (He choked on a pretzel fell off a couch and got carpet burn on his face or something. Or he got drunk fell down and the pretzel story is the best he could come up with.Yeah he's smart.) Then well�. *refrains from further comments*
<<Ditto, Rush!>> *LOL*
<<Dude, he gave the Smirker his old campaign manager, and his old staff. Yeah, he stayed clear.>> He GAVE him his old campaign manager?? Since when did Pres Bush, Sr. own anyone? Last I heard, we all have a free will to accept employment where offered. Employment, not ownership. These men/women had the option of declining the offer � but they didn�t because they KNEW what a good man President Bush Jr was and they wanted to be employed by a winner.
<<if you can do it, do it>> Hate to burst your stereotype of �grandma-to-be� type women, but I could dance circles around you in the sex department. I just choose to not discuss my experiences in a public forum. <<Soon-to-be Grandma's usually don't.>> yeah, because they have more class than that.

Shadowrider> <<a dear friend of mine was kicked out of the car by that f***ing boyfriend of hers in the middle of nothing>> oh my gosh! The guy would have regretted the day he was born! I haven�t heard you talk of this before � I hope that she dumped his skanky ass! Eesh!

Josh> <<That and his made up words and lack of clear hold of the English language>> *L* It cracks me up! I think it�s hilarious� c�mon, lighten up! :D I�d much rather him fumble on a few words than to be of the same character as the most recent past president. If this is the worse that someone can come up with � then he�s doing pretty damn good as our president.
<<behind that soon-to-be-grandmother is a pervert peeping tom!>> *coughs* peeping?? Not hardly� participating, but not peeping ;)
<<Don't worry, you aren't missing anything.>> Speak for yourself, bubba! I have a profile up, thankyouverymuch. ;p
<> These men and women _deserve_ better pay and living conditions. In addition, if it�s a life of poverty, what type of individuals are you going to attract? I don�t know about you, but I would prefer not having maniac in-breds protecting my country and borders.

Metaldemon> <<a.k.a., more money for legalized murder>> well, color me shocking pink and spank my butt� I�m sooo surprised you said such a thing. Geesh, another resident of Care Bear land. Please enlighten me on what you would do instead.

Greg B> <<As opposed to the bullshit propaganda that the conservatives want people to believe?>> well�. yeah! *L* Isn�t America great?? ;D

Spacebabie> <<Jeb Bush's daughter got arrested for drug possesion the other day. What it is with the Bush girls? Atleast the always sexy George P is clean.>> Actually, she was charged with impersonating a doctor and gaining prescription medicine by illegal means or something like that. She called in a prescription for Xanax � I think that�s the Rx that she called in.. anyway, she impersonated a doctor, left the message on a the pharmacist�s voice message, he called the doctor�s office to verify it, they informed him that this �doctor� was no longer with the clinic. The pharmacist then called the police and when she came to pick up her prescription at 1am, the police were also there. I think I heard that she�s like in her early-mid 20�s, no? At least Jeb Bush didn�t jump to her defense and attempt to get her out of trouble � the only statement that I�ve heard from him is something about how a lot of families are dealing with drug abuse substance� or something to that effect. The Bush twins.. well, I know that they are just being rebellious and all, but they really should have their fanny�s busted� I think SJ would volunteer for that job! *giggles* Really though, what they did was not a big deal and very commonly done. George P is not only clean.. he�s a HUNK! Wow!
My quote was something that I had read a while back. ;)
<<Tell Me God Doesn't have a sense of humor. >> *looks around the room* naw, can�t say that He doesn�t. Just kidding! ;)

Still no baby.. I think she�s faking it. Anna just wanted some attention and with the new doughnut shop that opened, she�s gained weight *nods* yeah, that�s it. Actually, she�s starting to have contractions 10 mins. apart, but we�re waiting to see if they are going to be consistent. Besides, the final episode of Rose Red is on tonight, so he needs to wait until at least after 10pm. Hehe
She goes back to the doctor tomorrow morning and we think he�s going to break her water or induce labor.

Big chase last night� our deputies spotted a car parked along side a country road and did a well being check. The car took off, lost control and went into the ditch. The driver then threw the car into reverse, ramming the patrol car and almost pinning the deputy between the cars� the car took off and the chase began. It involved 2 counties and 6 city police depts. Plus the Highway Patrol became involved. The HP eventually threw down spikes � which blew out the suspect�s car tires and our deputy�s car tires. The suspect continues driving on the tire rims for another 40 miles before it was finally stopped. The suspect almost caused several wrecks along the route. The kicker? He only had a bag of marijuana of less than 35 grams in the car with him. So, what would have been a misdemeanor turned into several felony charges. Can we say, stupid?!
Yesterday a drunk pulled a sawed off shotgun on 2 officers� our deputy had his weapon out and ready to fire. He used the pepper spray first and was able to take down the drunk before any gunfire happened. This drunk is the town bully of a small town south of us and if he doesn�t go to DOC, someone in that town is going to kill him.
The police were there because he had already assaulted 4 people, including a 3 month pregnant woman. He walks into the quick-stop store and takes whatever he wants, he terrorizes people, he destroys property, etc. Everyone there is afraid of him and they usually won�t file charges against him. Besides, if they do, he�s out on bond within a few days and then there is really hell to catch from him.
We�re pushing for prison time for him this time. With our wussy prosecuting attorney, I doubt if that will happen.

�How can you hate it so much?�
�It eats my relatives!�
~Rose Red~
Jan
Thursday, January 31, 2002 08:55:15 PM
IP: 12.110.237.37

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Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 31, 2002 07:45:29 PM
IP: 24.93.24.62

MD - After switching from "Raging Crusader of Political Bitterness" to "Rational Nice Guy", I think I get what you were talkin' about a little more.
Mmmkay. You mentioned the Bannana Republics as examples of bad capitalism. A valid arguement.
A sucsessful business CREATES value, ne'? Ford turns steel and aluminum into big trucks, which are worth more than the raw materials and labor. Assuming the country is a closed system, corperations steadily increase the wealth for everyone. Why everone? Because the rich people buy things from the semi-rich, and the semi-rich buy things from the not-so-rich, and they all employ the poor. The poor amass money from their gainful employment, and eventually move up the ladder. This is, incidentally, why it's rather difficult for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.
So.
A government imports more than it exports. The money flows out of the country to foriegn corperations and workers, and the country falls into an economic rescession. That's bad.
We open the international markets, the Big Fish dominate the third world, the poor get poorer internationally.
That the general idea?
Gunjack "God Will Know His Own" Valentine
Thursday, January 31, 2002 07:37:36 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Greg -- Both parties are controlled -- It is very evident. I also think that Perot was sincere when he said his family was threatened and that he worked at dismantling the reform party from the second he dropped out. Fnord.

DarkD -- This is not a comment room for gargoyles topics only(Do you really want a comment room with 5 comments in it per week?) It is a comment room for people who enjoy gargoyles to meet and chat with each other.

silvadel
Thursday, January 31, 2002 07:06:58 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

<<you believe the bullshit propaganda that the liberals want you to believe.>>

As opposed to the bullshit propaganda that the conservatives want people to believe?

As far as I'm concerned both Democrats and Republicans are all crooks, liars and hypocrites. All politicians are. ::Sigh:: I can't wait to get my degree in political science and be a crooked politician also ;)

DARKD-FX> <<The last time i checked this site was for Gargoyles and Gargoyles only.>> So you checked back before summer of 1998? <<Please keep your shit topics to your-self your all very long winded.>> Practice what you preach and work on your grammar. <<where the hell is season 4 i really want to read it if the guy/guys who make it are reading this please hurry up, my sanity is fading qwickly.>> And your spelling also. <<P.S. I want to know what happened to the new ep's on the T.V i was getting into it big time then they were gone>> The show was cancelled... back in 1996.

Gotta go
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, January 31, 2002 06:48:43 PM
IP: 216.179.6.131

Imzadi: <Well, the only other way you could be that bored is if you were an engineering major>
Very true. I was at work. And it sucked. Those last 8 hours REALLY suck!
<Your campus-given free webspace? No you shouldn't>
Why the hell not? You go to school so you can make more money in life, so consider it additional real-life learning!

IF fsck = TRUE, your screwed.
IF fsck = FALSE, then your still screwed.
<Not as good as Darkwing Duck>
Darkwing was pretty good most of the time. But then, so was Aladdin.

Warpmind: <Well, think about it. Microsoft's software, with all its disorderly flaws, DOES seem responsive to prayer>
VERY responsive, but in my case, my prayers arn't answered.

Winterwolf: <Heh. Now Niamhgold should be probing you for 3D advice>
Sucks, because I haven't touched 3ds in quite some time.

Robby: <Leave the rest of us alone>
HOLY $H17! I CAN'T believe you said that!
...
Cool!

Gside: <But where are you going to find that many clowns to join him on his murderous rampages that he will not find lacking?>
Dr. Anton Sevarius
<Good idea, but this is Rutgers, and everyone can probably set stuff to do all their downloads during that time>
Details, details... Hey, I am talking about THEORY here, ok?
<To help with the housekeeping, right? Or is Lady Mystic out of the room?>
She's DEFINATELY not here! ;)

DarkD-fx: <Please keep your shit topics to your-self your all very long winded>
I must say, you are VERY gutsy! I mean, you are not a regular poster and you arn't even a regular LURKER!
AND you expect us to be nice and HELP you?
Mann... you must have balls of steel that drag on the floor!

Of interesting note: Michael Dorn did the voice of the Minotar in Disney's Hercules TV show.
Fire Storm
Thursday, January 31, 2002 06:33:53 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

The last time i checked this site was for Gargoyles and Gargoyles only.

Please keep your shit topics to your-self your all very long winded.

Now to talk about something about the Gargoyles.

where the hell is season 4 i really want to read it if the guy/guys who make it are reading this please hurry up, my sanity is fading qwickly.

P.S. I want to know what happened to the new ep's on the T.V i was getting into it big time then they were gone.

If anyone knows anything about it please conact me at the E-mail address above, tnx.
DarkD-fx - [Dark_dfx@yahoo.co.uk]
Thursday, January 31, 2002 05:36:09 PM
IP: 62.254.96.4

OK, one last round of...

FARSCAPE SPOILERS!!!
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Farscape 3.22 - 'Dog With Two Bones'

Yep, the season finale has aired here in the UK.

Well, it wasn't exactly what I was expecting, I'll say that much. But to be honest, I wasn't too sure what to expect.

It was strange and a little slow, and without much action. There was a sub-plot involving Talyn's funeral and an insane leviathan, but it only lasted half he episode. The rest was taken up with the various characters getting ready to leave and a number of strange fantasy/dream sequences of Crichton's in which he imagines him and Aeryn getting married back on Earth. All in all, the episode felt a little uneven throughout, although there were some great scenes and moments here and there, like the scene towards the end with Aeryn about to go and Crichton trying to get her to say gooodbye to him and call him John. And there is the ending.

OK. I am now going to reveal the end. It is a cliffhanger, and a bit of a bizarre one. If you don't want to know it, don't read on.

Crichton is out in his module. He's deprssed as Aeryn, D'Argo, Rygel and Chiana have all left, off to go their seperate ways. That's right, at the end of this, all four of them have left. He's almost out of fuel, so is about to head back to Moya when the Scorpius neural clone in his head reveals something he's figured out that Crichton hasn't. Aeryn is pregnant! Naturally, Crichton calls Pilot and tells him to track Aeryn, as they're going after her as soon he's back aboard. Then the bizarre bit happens. A wormhole suddenly and inexplicably appears out of nowhere and sucks in Moya. Then it disappears. Crichton is left in his module, in the middle of nowhere, almost out of fuel... To be continued next season. Damn.

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END FARSCAPE SPOILERS

That's all for now...
cyberklaw
London, UK
Thursday, January 31, 2002 05:05:25 PM
IP: 205.188.193.189

Gunjack> full post later cuz I have class in a bit...
I said in earlier posts (and even told you personally) that I only hold the Civil War and WWII as acceptable wars, since (for Civil War) the liberation of slaves (among other things) was being fought for, and (for WWII) the sake of the entire world was fought for. Vietnam was unecesarry, so was North Korea, so was WWI, so was the Spanish-American war, so was the Mexican-American war. Each one of those wars we had profit or land interests.
As for Capitalism....Take a quick look at Brazil when Capitalism was brought there. Within a year, poverty shot up radically while profits increased for the rich and wages sunk for the poor. Reports were sent back saying how good Capitalism was and how it should continue. Soon as the wages for the rich went down, it became the evils of Socialism. (I know Sociaism isn't rainbows and flowers, but I still think humanity is better off uunder it).
Then there's Britain...when markets turned free, the lower class shot towards the days of Charles Dickens (not as quick as Brazil, this one took effort), and disease among the lower-class children was rampant. For the sake of freedom, no aid was provided to even help parents out with medical costs. Hundreds (maybe thousands) died from disease. Yet Britain was extoling the virtues of capitalism!!
Perhaps the US should devise other methods of foreign aid. We seem to have the habit of installing dictators (like in Guatamla and Cuba, who, in fact, turn out to be murderous savages, but are installed since we can get a good buck or two), and we let our corporations run over seas to spend less on production (which includes individual wages; and I specifically refer to the Banana Corporations that delved into Guatemala, who Miguel Angel Asturias [Nobel Prize winning author Guatemala] attacked ferosciusly for abusing it's workers and reaping all the profits for themselves to grow and spread and take over most of the country wihtout giving a dime back to it's workers to help uplift them from poverty....poverty rose due to them).
The US, if they have to have a fight so often, should be concerned about spreading Human Rights; and if they want to do that, then they can do so through the Human Rights campaign, the UN, or any other organization dedicated to demnding individual freedom. For whatever reason, we don't. We see the need to bring free-markets along with individual freedom (which becomes secondary...maybe even thirdly [at least that's what history points to). If we can get countries to become free-market, then ther's a bonus for us...why that just makes us one step closer to Globalization. More later, maybe over IM.
metaldemon
denton
Thursday, January 31, 2002 03:47:09 PM
IP: 129.120.86.161

Comp locked me out since the weekend, hence the lacking postage. And then there's the 72-hour political debate that's come close to locking my middle fingers in the extended position.

So, since I'm already drunk, smashed, and pukin' in the gutter over politics...

Mara><<We need newer military shit? WHY? Its not like we don't already kick major ass with what we've got.>> Pardon my lack of manners, but you don't really understand dick about how armed forces work, do you?

Weapons wear down and become obselete. Missions change. Maintaining that technological edge is expensive, but it's what makes our military so lethal in combat. Sacrifice the tech edge, and you go back to fighting wars of attrition.

MD><<But what I heard was about spreading free markets since it lifts poverty (which I find to be a bunch of sh!t)...>> ...Naturally. Because when corps get more money, they NEVER expand. And expansion has NOTHING to do with hiring people. And those hired people NEVER get paychecks. And the money those fat cats invest only benefits THEM, and not the millions of shareholders in their companies. And the money they bank, of course, isn't ALSO invested by the bank. Because money doesn't constantly move.
And my head is a burrito.

<<...and more miliary spending (a.k.a., more money for legalized murder).>> God forbid that foriegners die when Americans can die instead.
Y'know, the Swiss did it right. They perfected the Pike, and it took them near the top of the heap in military power. Their mercenaries were some of the best fighters in the world. And what did they do? They told the rest of the world to go **** itself, declared militant neutrality, and sat up in their mountians laundering money for Nazis and the Mafia. They don't peacekeep, they don't Do Good, they just drink hot chocolate and count their coins.
We should have done the same thing. We should have let Hitler have Europe. We should have let Stalin have Hitler, and Japan have China. There never should have been a League of Nations or a UN, and NATO can go diddle its granny.
The isolationists had it right. We looked out from our shores, and we saw the whole world bleeding to death. We should have closed our eyes. Then we wouldn't have lost tens of thousands in the Pacific, in Europe, in Korea, in Vietnam. We wouldn't have had to deal with Panama or Grenada. Heck, none of those would have even happened! The communist war machine that no one seems to remember any more could have just rolled right through, and I'm sure after they filled in the mass graves and rewrote the history books everything would have been peachy. And maybe I could pick up a bootleg copy of the CNN footage from the annihilation of Isreal.

You know what the difference between America and the rest of the world is?
AMERICA TRIES. The rest of the world either refuses to lift a finger, or actively works at fucking things up for everyone. And either way, they always tell us we did it wrong. Somali warlords who slaughter and starve their OWN PEOPLE lecture us on our monstrous foriegn policy.
America is ALWAYS WRONG. If we intercede, we're imperialist pigs. If we stay out, we're cold-hearted monsters who think Americans are the only people worth saving. Heads I win, tails you lose. No one ever bothers telling us EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE under the circumstances. No, because the point isn't that we did the best we could, or even that we did better than ANYONE ANYWHERE EVER HAS, but that we DIDN'T DO GOOD ENOUGH.

...And to your specific point, MD, I suggest you tell that to the Kuwaitis who were raped, tortured and murdered by Iraqi troops before the US could drive them out. What do you call those defenceless ones?
The Gulf War was the first real try-out for a weapon called MLRS. Basicly, it works like this: you fire a cluster of rockets toward your enemy, and each rocket breaks open to disperse several thousand grenade-sized submunitions (see, Mara? Military technology evolves!). Those submunitions scatter over an area roughly one km square, and kill EVERYTHING within that area not under several inches of armor plating. I think you'd agree that being torn to peices by a literal rain of explosives is a pretty bad way to go.

We used MLRS to slaughter thousands of Iraqi soldiers. We butchered them. And I go to sleep each night happy in that knowledge, because the only other option was to allow those thousands of young men to gang-rape and torture an entire country of helpless ones. But you recognize no difference between Iraqi soldiers killing helpless civilians, and American soldiers killing Iraqi soldiers on a battlefield?
Gunjack "Bitter as HELL" Valentine
Thursday, January 31, 2002 02:47:56 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Mara >> "That is all, hope it makes sense. <<

I can't say that it does make much sense. It sounds like you're hinting that there was a wealthy upper class conspiracy that knew well ahead of time that Bin Laden's sleepers were going to choose Tuesday September 11 to launch an attack on the World Trade Center, and made sure everyone who was also wealthy and upper class took that day off or otherwise avoided the area. All while not rousing any undue alarm or tipping off anyone else on what they knew was about to happen. I'm sorry... as conspiracy theories go, this one just seems too improbable to me. I doubt even the Illuminati could pull off something like that.
Patrick Toman
Thursday, January 31, 2002 01:00:54 PM
IP: 64.81.9.210

Josh > in this story, he's 16.

Jan > still no baby? Ah, the suspense! Should be soon. I like your philosophy on finishing things; there's half a bag of Cheetos calling to me from the top of the fridge!

Spike > she better be looking over her shoulder; I want her damn job! Glad you liked it, thanks. As for the orcs all looking like Alphonse, ooh, listen to me complain ... hey, are they looking like Alphonse at the oasis? Lordy ... best _back_ since Marc Singer in Beastmaster!

Winterwolf > the snow here is melting fast. Probably all be gone by the end of the day except for the mutated, contorted, acid-blasted figures that were once snowmen in all our yards.

DPH > yep, Son of Wyachi killed himself. They'd raised the spinner, and that put them off balance. Bot wobbled and went totally haywire, flew into the corner, tore the metal casing off one of the box-hazard screws, and basically self-destructed. It was all over in 39 seconds and the opponent just had to sit there and watch.

CERT stuff > got to put out fires last night! Eight of us in our safety helmets, goggles, and masks, out in a slushy parking lot shooting clouds of chemicals at a long bin of cat litter soaked in gas and then set alight with a flare. Was fun. Next week, first section on emergency medical care!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:56:37 PM
IP: 64.24.187.16

Okay the Weather is messed up. In the northeast its warm and dry...meanwhile it's snowing in California.

Tell Me God Doesn't have a sense of humor.

I was watching NBC news and While Tom Brokaw was talking about the strange weather The cameras kept switching. Hee would face one and then the camera view would switch again so he was facing a different direction instead of at the viewer. It gave him the giggles too.

Jeb Bush's daughter got arrested for drug possesion the other day. What it is with the Bush girls? Atleast the always sexy George P is clean.

Janet Reno collapsed while on stage.

Doug>>>My point is well its like Mulder�s UHO poster. �I Want to Believe� I want to believe Kit is real, but there is a lot of evidence that points in the opposite direction

Spike>>>Welcome Back. Hope you post more often.

Jan<<<I think I've found inner peace. My therapist told me a way to achieve inner peace was to finish things I had started. So, today I finished 2 bags of potato chips, a lemon pie, a fifth of Jack Daniels and a small box of chocolate candy.
I feel better already.>>>Where did you get that quote? Or did you make that one up yourself?

DPH<<>>Something better was on?

Gside<<<But that would still have disturbed us. >>>What that she stuffs?

Josh<<<When I woke up this morning, weather.com said it was 32 degrees, but felt like it was 29. >>>So it was cold?<<<I'm sorry, I'm just not prepared for this level of cold.>>>The weather is wacky all over the country.<<<In labs you get to play with stuff.>>>I loved Biology Labs<<<This was just a problem solving session.>>>Sounds like all the crappy math labs that I had to do.

Shadowrider<<<That is the attitude...although...well, after I've written that thing about sliver knives, a doubt came in my mind...DO silver blades have any effect on vampires? In D&D silver weapons have effect against undeads, but�>>>I read a good story where it took any kind of weapon made of wood that did the trick.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, fl
Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:49:15 PM
IP: 64.156.211.71

Mara > I'm curious, too... you honestly think Bill Clinton had forewarning of the WTC attacks and that's why no one "important" was killed? Who defines who is "important" anyway? I imagine every one of those individual deaths was "important" to someone.

WTC was a tragedy that never should have happened. I have a best friend whose brother (a cop) tore BOTH his hamstrings running away from the smokecloud when the tower one fell. Another person she knew was identified.. well his leg was anyway.Never think I wasn't hurt and horrified as a human being, an American, and most importantly as a New Yorker. (F*ck with MY city?!)

However, the attack came early in the morning when most of the high level employers and employees were not in yet. I can't begin to count how many people told me that day as I rung up groceries (my part for the relief effort I guess) that they worked there and had just taken that day off, or were going to come in late, all white collar. Rich folk who could afford to be tardy, or take in a sick day. No celebrities or major political figures died, not that we heard about. No major martyr stands out from it. Most of the people who went missing and died were blue collar or lower, custodial services, lowly office employees who have to be in on time, food service people. The attack came by surprise, why not attack when the building was at full capacity? That bothers me. (Being an evil bitch and all)Worse yet, instead of fully evacuating when the first tower was struck, those who could leave (in the other building, in lower floors of the tower that was hit) were told to stay inside. WHAT THE F*CK!?!?!

This is all bad enough, but what makes me wonder is the connection between Bin Laden and Bush Sr's run in office. I'm not putting blame, ofcourse, but it seems too much of a coincedence that this happens when his son is in office. It's too creepy. And I'm not one to trust coincedences. If this had happened with Gore in office, somehow I would feel less... I dunno... suspicious.

That is all, hope it makes sense.

Shinigami
Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:26:19 AM
IP: 172.164.212.91

Sorry for 2nd post, I have to make a correction...

Gside:> Ok, I am in full exam paranoia, so I needed three and more hours before suddenly realizing that I made a mistake in answering your question. Or, better, what I said is right, but it is not the answer you asked. You asked about effect on speed...well, increasing wingspan with no other modification decreases all your speed parameters (max speed, cruise speed etc.). You eventually have an increase of fuel consumption. An example is the F-14 Tomcat (or the Tornado, or any other variable wing-geometry fighter) that decreases wingspan (by decreasing arrow angle) for higher speeds, and does the opposite for lower speeds. If you need further clarification, just ask.

<flashes out>
Shadowrider
Thursday, January 31, 2002 09:36:11 AM
IP: 213.255.22.248

PATRICK - Maybe that's why Sevarius Jr. is doing that; precisely so as to disturb you. The old strategy of "If you can't beat 'em, pretend to join 'em and thereby confuse and bewilder them no end." A very cunning piece of psychological warfare. :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, January 31, 2002 08:04:58 AM
IP: 168.191.109.114

SJ > Geez... do you HAVE to keep posting comments that I agree with? This new trend is starting to disurb me. ;)

Mara > I'm curious, too... you honestly think Bill Clinton had forewarning of the WTC attacks and that's why no one "important" was killed? Who defines who is "important" anyway? I imagine every one of those individual deaths was "important" to someone.
Humans, good or bad? > Tastes like chicken.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? > The rooster came first... then promptly fell asleep.

:: scampers off to work ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, January 31, 2002 07:09:36 AM
IP: 66.72.203.28

So, it is official...Doug and Kit (cause I still have to see any evidence that Kit does not exist...all I've seen until now is a lot of people screaming "liar"). Oh, well...I for sure am not going to say anything against (or pro) the decision of the Admins...personally, I still think that the true fault of Doug's was not of lying, but of being caught in the act... Anyway, if it has to be this way, so be it. As Robby said, I will continue talking to them via email...

Fleur:> << Just a general question for everybody: I'm grieving for my dog almost as much as I grieved for my Grandmother. Is that right or healthy?>> Hmm...well, I can speak from my personal POV...yes, it could be right. A dog, especially if he's been with us for a lot of years, is a part of the family...so it is normal that when its time comes, we grieve it as we could do for a member of the family. At least, I think so...

Josh:> << Italy!? God-forsaken? Hardly. >> Maybe the Gods (God/Powers/Supreme Being etc.) used to bless my land in times of the past...but now for sure have abandoned it for the faults of its people.
<<she can expect me to hang up/kick her out of the car. >> Hm, don't mention the "kick out of the car" thing with me...I seem I already mentioned in this CR (long before you came here, probably) how a dear friend of mine was kicked out of the car by that f***ing boyfriend of hers in the middle of nothing, in a foggy night of winter, at 3 AM...and guess who was awaken by a girl in tears and had to go and search for her...
<< Of the interior of the cockpit? Not a chance. I'm not taking off the canopy. >> I wasn't impying you had to. But you could take a pic of the cockpit trough the canopy...and, if I can make a suggestion, next time you build a model, you could make a pic of the cockpit before you put in the canopy. Anyway, I am interested more in air intake and exhaust nozzles...;)
<> Well, it is for sure true...but how does that relate with the topic?
<<Is he blind in one eye? >> No, as far as I know.
<<So would your girlfriend.>> Ehm...the kind of wood pole I would use with a vampire is not exactly the same kind of pole I would use with a girl...

Warpmind:> <JW> Haaah! I LOVE those guys...it is amazing the many ways you can joke them...and, since they have the habitude of harassing people in the streets of at the doors, I usually feel no particular regret in doing that...

Spacebabie:> << Whatever gets the job done.>> That is the attitude...although...well, after I've written that thing about sliver knives, a doubt came in my mind...DO silver blades have any effect on vampires? In D&D silver weapons have effect against undeads, but...

Winterwolf:> << the armrest between us couldn't be moved out of the way...>> Hmm...it is a common problem...it is weird that they don't previde the possibility of removing the armrest between a seat and the other.
<finals> Ah...I have other four coming, in four consecutive days of next week...probably not the worst load of duty I ever experienced, but it is for sure in the top ten...

Jan:> I see. Oh, well, anyway it's always good to see you in here. I'll wait eagerly for your email!

Gside:> I was nearly missing your question...oh, well, anyway. Increasing wingspan without any modification of other wing parameters (profile, shape, etc.)? Well, the detailed effects depend from a lot of factors, and vary from aircraft to aircraft, but in general, such a modification causes, according to speed, an increase of lift AND of drag. But, considering that drag has a tendency to increase faster than lift, wing efficency ratio (given by lift/drag) will decrease. It will imply that you will need more propulsion power to reach the same speeds. Anyway, WITH more power availabile, you wil probably have an improvement of flight performance (i.e. a lower minimum flight speed etc.). Of course, this in a very generic way...well, to quote a counter-example, gliders have very wide wingspans...of course, gliders have a very low complexive drag. I hope I was of some help.

Ok, seems it is all. And I MUST return to study. Maybe I should put a padlock on my PC as long as I' haven't finished...I'll consider it...

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Thursday, January 31, 2002 06:38:10 AM
IP: 213.213.20.234

When I woke up this morning, weather.com said it was 32 degrees, but felt like it was 29. I'm sorry, I'm just not prepared for this level of cold. I'd prefer high 50's and pouring.

I went to my structures lab. I wish I could stop doing that. Sadly, the labs are worth 15% of the class grade, so I need them to pass (since you can bet my midterms won't help me there). I went today and we actually go to do some design, which was cool, but the problems themselves were a bitch. They weren't "labs" at all. In labs you get to play with stuff. This was just a problem solving session. What a waste of time. The lab is almost done though. And due to a lack of concrete (no pun intended) scheduling, it seems that I am almost done with all my work for NEXT week, as well.

Ok, so some of it is due to the fact that I haven't bothered to pick up certain books. Sue me.

Today in Ethics we learned the fine art of being an engineer and covering your ass so the lawyers can't anally rape you when you screw up. Wow, I didn't realize how well that analogy worked until I typed it.

Can god create a hot dog so big that he can't eat it?

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Warpmind: <<I'm possibly the toughest guy in he group, too>>: What does that say about the group? <<Carpe Jugulum>>: Heh heh. <>: With a large blunt object? <<What are the odds the sports buffs would wander into the sci-fi section of the library in the 60's or 70's?>>: Forget that, what are the odds they'd be in a library in the first place? <<Microsoft's software, with all its disorderly flaws, DOES seem responsive to prayer>>: Hmmm, that is true. <<a small piece of rubbish encapsuled in the sickly excretions of an annoyed oyster>>: Such a lovely description of a person. <<Trying in the one-letter-at-a-time way would indeed take a LOT of time, at 13 symbols>>: Well that's good that it has symbols. <<the computer gave its searing reply: "PASSWORD REJECTED: NOT LONG ENOUGH">>: LOL!

Patrick: I love how you've changed "find me a mac that runs my windows software and I'll buy one" into "contracts specify windows on intel", when I was able to provide a mac that runs your windows software. But anyway, the college *I* go to, which is the top civil engineering school in the country, ALSO uses PC's. Yes, PC's. I learned AutoCAD on a PC, before downloading it to my macintosh. No, it doesn't bother me. My point, oh glorious professional engineer (who's going to rub that in my face until I graduate, and then when I do they'll remind me that they have 7 years more working experience for all of time), is that a mac does run the software, and does run it faster. I know you don't believe me, but my crappy old laptop with a 333 MHz chip and a 66 MHz bus ran AutoCAD 2000 on emulation faster than the AutoCAD labs in the MechE buildings, which were 5-600 MHz Wintel boxes. I'm not going to argue that PC's dominate the industry, because they do. That's not debatable, and I'd be a moron to try. What is up for dispute is whether or not they're the best platform for it. For solid crunching of statistics, they may be. It is difficult to compare the raw clock speed of a pentium with the floating point power of the G4 on something like statistics, because it depends heavily on *exactly* what kinds of calculations are being performed. But for CAD or any other sort of graphics project, it'd be wise to use VectorCAD or one of the myriad of other CAD programs that works on Mac, because of the superior flop performance. As for specific bids, I really want to see one that calls specifically for the bid to be designed using AutoCAD on Windows on Intel architecture (yes, all three requirements). Because I'll do it on AutoCAD on Windows on Virtual PC and you won't be able to tell the difference. Because it is windows. Its not a windows emulator like Linux. This actually runs Microsoft Windows 9x-2000-XP/whatever, just with an emulation layer that lets it talk to the mac hardware. Really quite amazing, if you ask me.

Shinigami: <<Lack of explanation on how his plan would be possible>>: Nevermind the details. <<Mara notices no one 'important' died in that tragedy>>: Do you really think they knew this was gonna happen? <<We need newer military shit? WHY?>>: It will kick start the economy, especially in my area 8-) However, I think it would be better spent repairing the old stuff and modernizing it than contracting new designs. <<We'll only have a small deficent for a short period of time if Congress can keep its spending in check>>: And pigs might fly out of my butt. <<what if those pictures get out?!?! I'll be ruined!>>: You're lucky, right now only I have copies. <<As if he could make it good with me anyhow?>>: True. <>: Obviously you aren't doing it correctly, then. <<He choked on a pretzel fell off a couch and got carpet burn on his face or something. Or he got drunk fell down and the pretzel story is the best he could come up with.Yeah he's smart>>: Hey wait a minute. Maybe he's just a clutz. <<Ditto, Rush!>>: Oh god. <<if you can do it, do it. Sex is goood>>: Sex is like pizza: when its good, its great. When it's bad, its still good. And then we get to toppings... <<If not, maybe you should try dating guys>>: That would only help if he were attracted to them. <>: Why so slowly? <<Flaccid, and that's bad>>: !? Where did that come from? <<All things are true>>: Does that mean both? <<a geek has little trouble digesting new ideas>>: that depends on the idea.

Lain: <>: Wuss. <<how does THAT work??>>: Well, either that or I can tell your dad about your nude modelling 8-) <<like?>>: I dunno, think of something. <<why would i want to?>>: It feels good. <<ill bet the other side.. just cause>>: 'cuz you're a peace-lovin' hippy! <<it MIGHT have something to do with things like.. tying guys down and shocking their genitals with wires from radio generators, or.. tying women to trucks and raping them with flare guns or.. roasting young children alive over fires to "convince them to not steal" or.. forcing ther young children to drink vomit and worms or.. trying to lure starving civillians onto firing ranges with food and water and calling it a "turkey shoot" or.. capturing young boys, blindfolding them and tying them up and torturing them for nine hours with batons, a lead pipe and cigarettes until they died.. yeah, you know, after living through that, i think *I*d be cheering to see ANYTHING related to the "peacekeeping" mission go down in flames, wouldnt you?>>: Did we do all that? <<come here and stop me before i embarass BOTH of us>>: Too late, you already did. <<quit it already!>>: Ah, but you no longer have any power. <<doesnt even have a DOORKNOB on the front door, thats how paranoid she is>>: How does she get in? <<darn! i was SOOOO looking forward to it, too :P>>: That's alright, I didn't watch it either. <<jean cretien>>: Cretin? What a shitty name. <<unlike me, who says "duuuuh... idunno..>>: LOL. <<the us *alone* outspends russia, china, iraq, syria, iran, north korea, libya and cuba *combined* by a ratio of 2:1>>: Only because Russia went broke. <<saudi arabia, taiwan, turkey, egypt and south korea>>: Who will later try to attack us. Well, maybe not taiwan. <<see, i still shave, wear a bra.. and dont believe carrot juice is murder>>: I see "shower" wasn't mentioned. <<the only countries that voted against it were algeria, libya, qatar, yemen, israel, china, and the united states>>: Whoa. That's heavy. <<the united states would *only* support a court that recieved cases soley and directly from the united nations security council (where, of course, a single american vote can veto any action)
so.. pretty much, that seems to show that americas leaders believe they must be above international law.. unless its defined or controlled by them>>: We just don't like having to answer to anyone, do we?

Spacebabie: <<I'm thinking the real big bad might turn out to be Amy instead of Willow.>>: That's no fun. <<I�m going to try to model after Xena,Faith,Ryoko,Twiglight Suzuka,Eudial,Seven of Nine, Dana Scully and maybe had a bit of Demona and a dash of the Amazoness Quartet>>: That would require you to be insanely hot. <<We are all good deep in our heart>>: Hippy. <<the media portrays everyone who likes sci fi as a geek. And because of that the so called cool crowd doesn�t want to like scif for fear of being leabeled geeks>>: I knew some pretty "cool" people who loved Star Wars with a passion. I never told anyone 8-) <>: Do they even MAKE that anymore? <<Pulls out Smackers and Baps Josh :: YES!>>: Hitting me will not make me change my mind. <<Let them shove the Euro up their unwashed butt holes>>: There's an interesting image.

Christine: <<delicate art of Fire Suppression>>: Why does that sound wrong? <<this one saucier>>: I have to ask, how old is our hero wizard in this fic?

Doug (why bother with the GL bit?): <<Slayers in Prison. That would be interesting. But I don't know, it might also get old fast>>: Not to anyone with a sex drive. <<hoping that if I keep it up long enough it will go away>>: More likely that those of us who know about it will go away first. <<Texas is also valuable for cattle, cotton, rice, and a LOT of proud citizens>>: Proud citizens are not a valuable commodity. The others can be grown elsewhere. Nuke it. <<The threat was just to get your attention. Looks like it worked.>>: You are so full of it, ya know that? <>: what is a nancy boy? <<if your allegations were true, why wouldn't I fess up about it? If Kit is not real, why would I keep insisting she is?>>: Compulsive lying issues, perhaps. I have some friends who are compulsive liars, like the one who insists that he owns 51% of Caesar's Palace in Vegas. I'm not saying you ARE compulsive liars, I have no judgment about whether or not this whole issue is real or not, mostly because i just don't care. I'll make jokes about it, because its fun to laugh at someone else's misfortune, but I really have no opinion one way or the other.

Mecord: <<Did I ever mention I hate computer labs?>>: Oh but they're SOOOO user friendly 8-) <<Frodo was overcome in the end by the rings power. If it weren�t for Sam and Gollum the ring would never have been destroyed>>: ACK! I didn't know that! You've ruined the whole thing for me! No, you haven't ruined it, but I didn't know that about the story because I haven't had time to read it. Oh well. <<COMING SOON!!>>: When I first saw this, it was at the bottom of my browser window, and I thought those two words WERE the spoiler ;-)

Silvadel: <<They take entirely too much in taxes and require way too much that you wouldnt do otherwise. So very much waste to satisfy them>>: My real problem is the beauracracy. If not for that, we'd be able to pay much lower taxes. <<all powerful to them surely>>: What do they know? I am all powerful by their standards. <<There are things out there beyond your philosophy horatio>>: Perhaps, but that doesn't mean anything conclusive.

Spike: <<geology is SO much safer than something that will blow the house up>>: Sadly, its hard to get kids interested in that field. But if he is, encourage it!

Winterwolf: <<Our only complaint was the length because the movie seats weren't comfy and the armrest between us couldn't be moved out of the way>>: There are many theaters that do that in LA. I remember one time... ;-)

Cyberklaw: <<God paradox>>: Personally, I don't accept this as an reason to not believe in god. It makes it sound as though you're looking for a loophole to debate his existence. Therefore, I have many other ones ;-) <<decided not to believe in god>>: Whoa there. Theism is not a choice. You can't "choose" to believe in god or not. You just do. Or don't.

David G: <<Omnipotence is a tough concept to get one's mind around>>: Maybe for YOU ;-) But I'm omnipotent, so I had no problems.

Coyote: <<currently having to operate with failing facilities and materiel that dates back to WWII, and approximately 60% of enlisted personnel's families currently live on food stamps>>: That sucks, but no one is forced to go into the military. There is no conscription. I can't justify military expenditures beyond upkeep and feeding our forces. And I'm a republican 8-) <<assuming we can handily kick any rogue nation's ass is blatantly and dangerously arrogant, as we *should* have learned from 9/11>>: Whoa. There is a hole in your logic large enough for me to WALK through. We *can* handly kick any rogue nation's ass, and it had nothing to do with 9/11. Lack of security at airports has little to do with our ability to bomb the living crap out of someone. <<*RUSSIA* kicked our asses in one of the scenarios>>: That I don't have too much confidence in. Russia loves to kiss our rich butts now that they're poorer than kenny mcCormick. He may be a DefDep official, but that doesn't mean he's a think tank analyst.

Mandolin: <<All this talk of snow and it's been in the high 60s and low 70s all week here>>: I hate you. <>: I think its gonna be low. The economy's in the crapper, no one can afford to travel, and its not in a high-profile place like LA or NYC.

Robby: Whoa. You're pissed. <<war is GOOD for buisness>>: So true. Too bad its not gonna pull us out of this one. <<the ban protocals have to be updated every week>>: That is lame. <<because I've been busy with work>>: Jeez, you need one or two other admins in here... <<Its no secret that my name is Robert John Bevard the second>>: It is!? Now I have the final piece of the puzzle! World domination is just days away! <<as well as the real names of many of the other people in here>>: Even mine?!

Jan: <<Who said he didn�t write it? Apparently you haven�t been listening to his other speeches. The last major speech that he gave and that was highly praised� he wrote it>>: I have trouble believing that any politicians write their speeches. That's what they have staffs for. <<and this is based on what?>>: It's based on her being a democrat, of course. Personally, I think its the goofy grin that makes him a moron ;-) That and his made up words and lack of clear hold of the English language, which even my moron 13 year old brother has managed to master. <<Our military is at an all time low in terms of enrollment>>: Spending money on new airplanes is not going to fix that. You can pretend that Bush is gonna spend the money on raising salaries in the military, but the truth of the matter is that he needs the money for the hundred-billion-dollar F-22 project and the JSF project. And as much as I'd love Southern California and the rest of the west coast to see the benefits of a return to Reagan-era military budgets, quite frankly we can't afford it. <<the equipment is old and out dated>>: it's old, its not outdated. I don't need to point out that there are many B-52's still in service that work just fine for launch cruise missiles from hundreds of miles away, but I will anyway. And F-15's and the other "teen-series" craft are fine to carry us for a while. You have to recognize that no one can AFFORD to outdo us. Yes, there are better jets out there, like the Su-33. But THERE'S ONLY THREE OF THEM! Because countries can't afford to develop or build them. <<the bases are poverty-stricken condition>>: That should be fixed. Plus it would put a lot of people to work. <<He�s damned if he does, damned if he doesn�t>>: This is what it means to be a republican ;-) <<it�s one of the most lame excuses I�ve ever heard>>: I agree. And I'm an atheist ;-) <<nor do we always understand all that He is>>: What are you talking about? South Park made it very clear that God is a blue furry hippo with bad teeth and a long tail. And it must be true, because it was on TV! <<I'd settle for people just not talking about their personal sex lives in here>>: Sorry about that. I thought it was important to share. <>: Oh, I know that behind that soon-to-be-grandmother is a pervert peeping tom! ;-) <<she said, �at least an hour� I told her that contractions do not last for an hour straight>>: "That's a headache, dear. Now go back to sleep before I am forced to kill you." <>: I'm curious how this will affect him when he's my age. <>: Good for you! <>: LOL! Except for the jack, I would too.

DPH: <>: Well don't keep us in suspense. What was it? <<30 spams yesterday>>: Don't you have filters to use? <<If you look hard enough, you can find organization in chaos>>: No, you can't. That's the definition of chaos. <<when I talk to her, I can finally relax>>: That will change when your voice starts to get deeper and you sprout hair in funny places.

Daphne: <>: Don't worry, you aren't missing anything.

Gside: <<There's a unit called a Morgan, usually in terms of centimorgans>>: Any relation to the assload? <<1 centimorgan equals the length of a piece of DNA where the probability of a crossover (in meiosis) between the endpoints is 0.01%. It's about 10^6 base pairs>>: Oh, guess not. Well, at MIT they have smoots. <<Sure you do>>: Okay I do. tell me. <<You mean most people don't?>>: Believe it not, no. <<That's probably considered a form of candying>>: But carmelizing isn't? <<Right next to the Bat Lube>>: For those pesky catwomen... <<What effect does inceeased wingspan have on the speed of a plane?>>: Just the span? Not much, I don't think. But increasing the area in general will increase both drag and lift, resulting in silly looking planes like the U-2 and the F-104. The trick is finding a balance that isn't wasteful. <<Kumquats, right?>>: No, never. <<Or just not care about falling asleep. The only hard part of it was the bending of materials, I thought>>: You had bending? Damn, you got, uh, shafted. No pun intended. <<Not with my parents in the front>>: Your parents aren't liberal enough. <<Depends on whether the egg is defined by what laid it or what's inside it>>: Ooh, good call. <<Because I enjoy it>>: Yet the term geek existed long before you did. <<To help with the housekeeping, right?>>: Or to sell to my friends with asian fetishes. <<give me my winter>>: At least it wasn't raining too. Then I would have died. <<Then why are you an engineer?>>: Because I'm paying attention to OTHER minute things.

Sevarius Jr: <<cost themselves hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue with their decision>>: Fools. <<why can�t we let the mentally ill fight each other inside the boxing ring?>>: Supposedly, it isn't "humane". <<I�d pay 40 or 50 bucks to see Manson go 10 rounds with the Unabomber>>: I'd pay to see him go one round. <<the Afghani SanFran>>: When I read this, I knew instantly what was to follow. <<the first thing they do is start sucking man-junk like it�s going out of style!>>: Maybe we should send our women over to take lessons. <<when you were caught with your pants down (sorry, CR dwellers, for that disturbing imagery>>: I'm sending you my therapy bills. <<Have the balls to be a man>>: Isn't that redundant? <<What is it about us that you need to validate your self-worth?>>: Its my aura of brilliance. The same reason people sit next to me in class. <<at Clinton levels, if not higher>>: Higher. 82%, currently. <>: Usually just the jehovah's witnesses. And amish people. <<I�m not an exceptionally bright individual>>: I refuse to be a clone of someone who doesn't have any ego. Develop some, damnit. <<Bad. But that�s our nature>>: Is that an excuse? <<Have you SEEN the people who read science fiction?>>: We are an ugly crowd, I think. <<To me, you seem at times to be too much of a hippie, and that particular culture (thankfully) lost all relevance when the Vietnam War ended>>: I suppose that is up for debate, but it certainly has no relevance NOW. <>: Good. I have to wonder if you read my posts, since you rarely respond to them unless they contain something juicy ;-) <<but he met you before I did. So he�s ahead on points!>>: Not my fault, you could get out and see the cute chicks too. <<You�re on the East Coast?>>: Don't remind me. <>: Now that's just about everyone in the CR, maybe she'll get some ego now. Silly artists. <<Now that I�ve reached my quota and hit on at least one of the females here>>: Your quota is one? Ya know, I'm not so sure I want to be your clone anymore. You disappoint. <<your application to join the human race has been rejected>>: LOL! <<Cause it sure seemed as if you didn't care about THOSE innocents>>: Burn.

SOROW: <<he would have to know about September 11th from New York's history while his stay in 2198(?) So if the tragedy of Sept 11th is carried out in the story, Brooklyn would have to know what was going to happen and how many thousands were going to die>>: I disagree. I don't think it would come up. Do you know about any major terrorist acts 200 years ago? No. In 200 years, this won't be that important, and Brooklyn in TGS Timedancer didn't go poking around for information. I don't think he wants to know.

Siryn: <<Very interesting quesiton though..if you guys ever wrote it it would make for a great story>>: The Barracuda has resurrected Asrial, actually. Not a bad sequence.

Lady Mystic: <<7 Member Profiles are available for viewing by the public!>>: And I'm one of them! sweet! They all look great. Kudos to you and whoever helped. <>: I'm sure you got 800 applications the first night, huh? <<Member Calendars have now been updated>>: Hehe, my birthday is on the calendar! ;-) Sweet. <<Statistics>>: That's really cool, I had no idea you were compiling that. Useful for new people trying to select a color/pic combo.

Alright, time to crash. have to be up early tomorrow.

Only two things are infinite: the universe and stupidity - and I'm not sure about the former.
-Albert Einstein

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, January 31, 2002 03:06:42 AM
IP: 64.170.154.146

sj>> <<Why do I do this?>> i havent the foggiest.. <<Alright, bring me the pain:>> only if you insist..
<<So, are you referring to the few thousand Americans who were killed on 9-11? Cause it sure seemed as if you didn't care about THOSE innocents. Or do you not consider them to be so?>> sj my little sweetpea, no, i wasnt referring to that, i dont know WHERE you got THAT idea from, since we werent discussing that at all.
and before you decide to make opinions on what other peoples opinions are, a word of wisdom is that you might try asking them directly for clarification, instead of taking second or third hand accounts which may, or may not, contain the whole story. usually, it helps matters greatly.

and now? sleeeeeeeping....
lain
Thursday, January 31, 2002 03:06:41 AM
IP: 64.228.194.151

Why do I do this? I think it's self-loathing and masochistic tendencies. Alright, bring me the pain:

lain - <<too much sh!t has gone down for there to be innocents anymore.>>

So, are you referring to the few thousand Americans who were killed on 9-11? Cause it sure seemed as if you didn't care about THOSE innocents. Or do you not consider them to be so?

As for the Somalians, I have just one thing to say: "SKINNIES ON THE ROOF! SKINNIES ON THE ROOF!!"
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, January 31, 2002 02:17:07 AM
IP: 207.172.11.148

sj>> <<A. I don�t usually believe anti-American propaganda (the burden of being a jingoistic bastard), especially coming from a country such as Somalia>> i suppose youd think the photographs taken *by the soldiers* of them committing the acts would be.. doctored by the somalis too, right? there was a big hoopla up here over.. that last incident i mentioned, the one with the tying up and beating and with lead pipes, batons and burning with cigarettes? that boy was Shidane Arone, a 16 year old boy who was tortured and killed by the *canadian* elite airborne regiment. and they took "trophy" pictures of it, too (such a thing, apparently, was and perhaps is not uncommon) my point, in bringing this up, is that that event, and the subsequent (but thankfully failed) attempts at a coverup has made me more than slightly disollusioned. its not that im blaming the american military for everything that has ever gone wrong ever on the face of the planet, but i think EVERYONE needs to wake up and smell the reality. too much sh!t has gone down for there to be innocents anymore. <<B. even given the context of that other matter (we both know the one), I feel you�re a bit biased against America, as I am biased for it.>> thats fair enough. though im not sure if im "biased against america" per se.. more like "biased against americas international policies".. but at least we can both admit our bias.. which is something.. <<To me, you seem at times to be too much of a hippie>> maybe.. but not as much as *SOME* i know.. see, i still shave, wear a bra.. and dont believe carrot juice is murder.. ;) <<That�s my opinion of course, and since when has that mattered?>> it matters as much as anyone elses opinion.. but facts still remain, your opinions are not facts, and vice versa.. <<Even though I admit my guilt for starting this up anew, do you want to dance this dance again?>> dance? since when do you dance? o.O are you any good??
<<(brown eggs have *magical* powers!)>> is that why they are 20 cents more expensive than the white ones??

metaldemon>> <<It's something no one likes to talk about or fess up to (the Somalia bit, is that spelled right?)>> yes indeed. <<America's not perfect and we f!ck up a whole lot; the only problem is, is that we nick-pick what we want to accept>> to be fair, i dont think america f!cks up any more than anyone else. people are the same everywhere. we do it, the italians do it, the belgians do it, the brits do it.. and on and on. nobodys perfect, but everyone should be accountable. in june, 1998, in rome, by a margin of 120 to 7, delegates from the nations of the world voted to establish an international court to bring soldiers to justice who were charged with war crimes, genocide, and crimes against humanity. countries that supported the treaty were ones like canada, britain, holland, france, japan, germany etc. the only countries that voted against it were algeria, libya, qatar, yemen, israel, china, and the united states. the united states would *only* support a court that recieved cases soley and directly from the united nations security council (where, of course, a single american vote can veto any action)
so.. pretty much, that seems to show that americas leaders believe they must be above international law.. unless its defined or controlled by them.
incidentally, the terms of the treaty for setting up the court specifically included rape, forced pregnancy and torture as war crimes, but the united states objected to this, claiming the court should only concern itself with genocide. naturally, the us delegate did not deal with the question of whether war crimes charges against americans might, on some occasions, be warranted. secretary of defence william cohen even tried to intimidate other delegates by threatening to withdraw american forces from the territories of those allies who didnt support the us' proposal for limiting the courts juristiction to only crimes of genocide.

shinigimi>> re: bush pretzel thing. yeah, i laughed pretty hard, too. mind you, OUR leader, (aka "mumbles") is known for funny things, too, like trying to beat up intruders at 24 sussex with priceless inuit statues and wandering into crowds of unruly protesters to put them in headlocks and stuff..

yeah well.. thats all for now. nighties.
love,
lain
you know where
Thursday, January 31, 2002 01:50:28 AM
IP: 64.228.194.151

DOUG::I'm way too tired right now to go into what's bull and what's not, few people in here would probably believe me about it even if I did- that's the main reason I'm not. >>No the main reason you don't is because at this point i the game you don't remember what you've said and probably can't keep your multifaceted lies in order. Where are your scars, again?

SILVADEL::Nice out of context statement... >>Only the best for you.

WINTERWOLF::Well said. **hi-five** >> ::hi-fives back:: thank you.

COYOTE::Ravyn: **kisses back** Glad to see that your teeth are healin' up, honey. :)
>> I apolgize in advance but....I don't think that frenching will help Ravyn's jaw.

JAN::and this is based on what? >>He choked on a pretzel fell off a couch and got carpet burn on his face or something. Or he got drunk fell down and the pretzel story is the best he could come up with.Yeah he's smart.

This is what I have to say to that: prove it.>> What and be picked up by the office of homeland security for some "Unamerican questioning". No thank you, I'll remain a quiet conspiracy nut, thanks.

President Bush Sr. stayed out of the election activities as much as possible>> Dude, he gave the Smirker his old campaign manager, and his old staff. Yeah, he stayed clear.

Naw, don�t bother trying to answer any of these questions�. It�s very obvious that you are not interested in the truth of what happened and you believe the bullshit propaganda that the liberals want you to believe.> Ditto, Rush!

With a #1 tattoo on clinton�s forehead. >> I think Bill's #1 too, glad we agree on some things.

hell, I'd settle for people just not talking about their personal sex lives in here. I don't give a rat's ass who has had sex in their showers, nor do I particularly want to hear about it.>> Soon-to-be Grandma's usually don't. Still, if you can do it, do it. Sex is goood.

STEPHEN::But, you know... I'm beginning to wonder if I'm ever going to have someone I can call 'wife' or even 'companion'. I mean, I'm nearly 33 frickin' years old...>> If it's any consolation, Robin didn't find "real love" until mid last year at age 35. So you got two years, maybe. If not, maybe you should try dating guys...

RAVYN::First of all, in the *first hour* she was here, she insulted Americans as a whole 3 times>> That's not too bad, I was born here and I insult Americans every few minutes.

1. Humanity as a whole, good or bad?
Flaccid, and that's bad.

2. What came first, the chicken or the egg?
All things are true.

3. Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?
Because norms have a harder time swallowing new ideas. The old meaning for geek was a person who bit the heads of chickens and ate nearly anything. So today, a geek has little trouble digesting new ideas.

Later.
Shinigami
Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:47:14 AM
IP: 172.165.161.200

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Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:22:38 AM
IP: 216.254.103.103

Brooklyn stopping September 11th> Oh I think he would try. I think he would NOT be able to stop himself and try desperately to stop what will happen..but time will ultimately win the day and Brooklyn is resolved to face the fate of time. hehe. Sad, tragic, horrible, but at the same time, it is fated to be. (Like when the TGS staff way back when discussed 'saving' Asrial from the wyvern massacre, the problem is, her fate and the fate of most of the characters of dark ages are what makes the tragedy all the more real.) Very interesting quesiton though..if you guys ever wrote it it would make for a great story.. <:)

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These are the people that have registered and paid. There are about 10 more people (that I know of) on online registration that have registered but their payments haven't been received yet.) So we're expecting the usual crowd estimated at 150. (Of course, if its MORE i would be very happy and that would be awesome! But that's what is being estimated)

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Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:16:29 AM
IP: 129.21.145.3

Lain> *nods* It's something no one likes to talk about or fess up to (the Somalia bit, is that spelled right?). My BIG problem is when people avoid it or say it's liberal BS made to get the liberal way. America's not perfect and we f!ck up a whole lot; the only problem is, is that we nick-pick what we want to accept.
I am well aware of what other countries do (Mexico in particular since I thought Fox would be better, but he just turned out to be a puppet for the PRI, and China since they wave the flag of Socialism the most wildly and deprive the country of basic individual rights), but at least they don't try to pretend to be the "moral" country in the world (maybe China, but not as badly as us).
State of the Union> I only caught the fifteen minutes. But what I heard was about spreading free markets since it lifts poverty (which I find to be a bunch of sh!t) and more miliary spending (a.k.a., more money for legalized murder). I don't support either of the two, and I don't support liberals or conservatives since they are both the same thing IMO. Both put profit over people, and they are one and the same.
What I do like about Bush: He promises to provide equality in education; he said he would give more money to schools who do poor on state admnistered tests (which I am aginst for educational purposes since I don't think Ttests like that encourage learning) so that that better textbooks and learning facilities will be bought; and he said students who continue to do bad will be provided with the opprotunity to recieve transportation to a better school.
This is good! This is SO left-wing it's not even funny (which is also good :P). I wish more would happen, but this is already enough to be demanded out of the Republican senate members...and even Democrats (though a Democrat spear-headed this bill).
If this works in actuality, I will give more repsect to the man (and only the Roosevelts and Lincoln get my respect so far 8]).
metaldemon
notned
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:55:36 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Hey everybody. I've been getting ready for a really big presentation in school so that's were I've been the last week. Hope everyone is doing great, I will be after tomorrow :)

I was also thinking of something interesting today while watching news of Ground Zero coverage. Not too long ago, we had a debate whether it was a good idea to have September 11th be a part of the new TGS season. To not have it would seem detached from the Manhattan Clan's emotions, but it might spark too many painful emotions from members of the TGS readers. Thinking about Brooklyn's adventures in Timedancer, he would have to know about September 11th from New York's history while his stay in 2198(?) So if the tragedy of Sept 11th is carried out in the story, Brooklyn would have to know what was going to happen and how many thousands were going to die. Out of curiousity, do you think he would really just stand by and let it happen with the "history cannot be altered" motto? Or do you think he would try to stop it? Just interested.
SOROW
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:46:19 PM
IP: 129.116.38.151

The Nevada Athletic Commission has denied Mike Tyson a license to fight in their state. Who�s the insane one here � Tyson or the council? Tyson likes to hit wrestle with tigers and hit them in the balls. The Commission has decided to shoot themselves in the foot and cost themselves hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue with their decision. If you ask me, they�re the ones needing the Zoloft.
Isn�t this all a little silly? Boxing has never been what anyone would consider a �clean� sport. It�s full of dirty people, from the promoters to the fighters themselves. So what if Tyson is a mental case that needs to be locked in a cage for the rest of his life? A fight with Lewis would be worth hundreds of millions, because people (like me!) are willing to pay big bucks to see if he has a total psychotic break in the ring and attempts to gnaw Lennox�s face off.

Honestly, why can�t we let the mentally ill fight each other inside the boxing ring? I�d pay 40 or 50 bucks to see Manson go 10 rounds with the Unabomber. You put that as the undercard match to Lewis / Tyson, you�d clear a billion dollars of revenue easy. Insane people + boxing = money in the bank. Make it happen!

AFGHANSITAN UPDATE: Kandahar, the Afghani SanFran.
Did you hear about this story? The most fantastic story coming outside of Afghanistan now. Since we�ve gone over there and are kicking the Taliban�s ass (who said Afghanistan would be another Vietnam?), the liberated cities of Afghanistan are taking up all sorts of activities that were forbidden by the Taliban regime. Some of them are dancing to music, getting haircuts, watching TV�.and some are engaging in anal sex with their homosexual love slaves.
It�s true! Apparently, Kandahar is filled with tons of gay men looking for action. There�s a rather large subculture in that city of homosexual men, and according to this group, women are only good for procreation � it�s the men who are good for pleasure! Word is, most of the older members of this group prefer to have young teenage boy lovers, who serve as sex slaves of a sort, paid for their services as boyfriends. After a certain age, the boys will leave and go on to do their own thing�.marry, have kids, and maybe screw teenage boys in the dumper themselves.
I just find this all hilarious. We free their city, and the first thing they do is start sucking man-junk like it�s going out of style! No wonder Johnny Walker loved the Taliban so much, especially considering HIS background.

Doug: The biggest reason why I don�t like you / have any respect for you (and forgive me for reiterating what Robby has already said) is that, when you were caught with your pants down (sorry, CR dwellers, for that disturbing imagery) in your multitude of lies, instead of offering any sort of explanation or apology, you copped this �Poor little me, I�m a victim� rap and fled. Have the balls to be a man and take the punishment. When it all hit the fan, I was ready, willing, and able to clap you on the back and profess you to be the most brilliant poster ever in the CR for pulling such an elaborate joke upon all of us (because posting for a couple YEARS as two separate entities, lying about your entire identity, devising fictional stories to tell us all, just as a rib would have been a well-thought and executed practical joke), but I realized you were really serious with all of the crap you were spewing, and weren�t smart enough to devise the joke in the first place. Now you keep coming back for more, and I have no idea why. What is it about us that you need to validate your self-worth? <> This is why you never learn, and this is why you�re banned.
<<SJ is a fake name>> Comparing my use of a handle to your blatant creation of a false identity is laughable. If anyone really cares to know my name, I�d give it to them. Some people here know it. It�s not a difficult thing to find�.I think it�s even on my FanFic archive profile. I don�t use the name in here (I use it in emails), because after around 3 years in here, people know me more by the handle, so it�s more convenient to use.
<<When there was no IP tracking, identity checks, intense story scrutiny, or unjustified flames, and they weren't necessary either.>> You seem to not be realizing that that stipulation to the CR was only ever created and applied to one person � you. No one else (unless you�re counting the people inside your head).

Bush�s State of the Union: The amusement I derive from all of this is from the really die-hard Bush haters. Like him or hate him, the man�s approval ratings (yes, thanks to the war) are HUGE (at Clinton levels, if not higher), and both parties seem to feel that the address was given very well. It�s all thumbs up for Bush, and he knows it. But the haters can�t stand it, so they nitpick. See? THIS is how us Republicans felt when Clinton was so popular in office, despite being a relatively nothing president (even *I* could get high approval ratings with that economy). We had to resort to talking about the man�s extramarital hummers. Just a little perspective for you.
As for military spending�.we DESPERATELY need it. The military was in shambles even before 9-11 (I�ll be nice and not point fingers at certain recent ex-presidents for defense cuts). This is part of the reason Rumsfeld looks so damn happy today; now the military is involved in a war, AND they�ll likely get some buck thrown their way. And they definitely need it.

BTW, I think George Washington was the last guy who wrote his own speech, so the �great speech, but he didn�t write it!� argument is a little lame. Just about everything that comes out of the President�s mouth (any president) comes with the seal of approval of a dozen writers and p.r. goons.

I�d just like to throw out that it�s been my experience that everyone who goes, �I have no problem with those that believe / don�t believe in God�, absolutely DOES have a problem with those who believe / don�t believe in God. Often several problems.

Speaking of which�

Cyberklaw: <<God is an all-powerful, all-knowing being, right? So he knows everything, including stuff that is going to happen? That would include the stuff He himself is going to do. That in turn would mean he has no free will, which in turn means he isn't entirely all-powerful and therefore not 'God'.>> I�m no theologian, and I�m not an exceptionally bright individual, but I�m not sure that your logic to that argument is entirely pure.

1. Humanity as a whole, good or bad?
Bad. But that�s our nature.

2. What came first, the chicken or the egg?
The chicken. I lay awake at night wondering if it laid brown or white eggs (brown eggs have *magical* powers!).

3. Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?
Have you SEEN the people who read science fiction? ;) I�m including myself in that, BTW.

Lain: <> A. I don�t usually believe anti-American propaganda (the burden of being a jingoistic bastard), especially coming from a country such as Somalia, and B. even given the context of that other matter (we both know the one), I feel you�re a bit biased against America, as I am biased for it. That�s upsetting to me, given the parallels our two societies share. I�m a hardline nationalist, which is my cross to bear. To me, you seem at times to be too much of a hippie, and that particular culture (thankfully) lost all relevance when the Vietnam War ended. That�s my opinion of course, and since when has that mattered? Even though I admit my guilt for starting this up anew, do you want to dance this dance again? <<you just dont get it, do you?>> Yes and no.

Josh: <<SJ should not be put in ANY box (wink wink).>> I saw that. ;)

Niamhgold: <<To see Adobe at MacExpo and maybe check out LA ;) Don't let him gloat too much.>> Yeah, but he met you before I did. So he�s ahead on points! ;) <<Where're you from, anyhow?>> Washington, D.C.! You�re on the East Coast? The closest any other CR dweller lives to me is Baltimore. I think Mandi lives up there. <<seeing her picture, I AM jealous.> Bah. And thanks...I think?>> Why do you have to put it that way? ;) If I may disgust you with my blatant ass-kissing, I would have to agree with Josh that you are quite an attractive young woman. No joke. I�m a smartass, but not about the beauty of a woman. ;p

Now that I�ve reached my quota and hit on at least one of the females here, I shall presently depart.

"My only comfort is that your application to join the human race has been rejected. "
---Evil Reader
Sevarius "The Iconoclasm" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:29:48 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Odd note: There's a unit called a Morgan, usually in terms of centimorgans. 1 centimorgan equals the length of a piece of DNA where the probability of a crossover (in meiosis) between the endpoints is 0.01%. It's about 10^6 base pairs.

Imzadi> <>: Sure you do.
<<Why would I even ask such a thing?>>: You mean most people don't?
<<Its all about honey>>: That's probably considered a form of candying.
<<That's the third pocket on the left in the utility belt, right>>: Right next to the Bat Lube.

Warpmind> <<Takahashi Rumiko meets Neil Gaiman is NOT a comforting sight>>: So were Gaiman characters changing genders, or were Takahashi characters prying out eyes with swiss army knives?
<<Trigun on 8 DVDs for 600$ is rather fair>>: !$@# there must be a lot of extras. Slayers has the same number of episodes on half the discs. And for less than half the cost per disc.
<<DivX... Slayers? Sore wa himitsu desu?>>: Nah, DVD Slayers, Divx Trigun (and LBG). Or you could also see how generous Lain or Gunjack are feeling. I believe both of them have copies.
Shadowrider> random question: What effect does inceeased wingspan have on the speed of a plane?

Spacebabie> <<She could have been stuffing>>: But that would still have disturbed us.

Niamhgold> <<Bananas!>>: Kumquats, right?
<<I've heard that in statics, you need to cryogenically freeze yourself in order to sit still during the length of that course>>: Or just not care about falling asleep. The only hard part of it was the bending of materials, I thought.
<<You need to be using the backseat for something else>>: Not with my parents in the front. Maybe once I get my own car.

Cyberklaw> <<What came first, the chicken or the egg?>>: Depends on whether the egg is defined by what laid it or what's inside it.
<<Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?>>: Because I enjoy it.

Fire Storm> <<Just give him a small car and 15 other clowns to fit into it!>>: But where are you going to find that many clowns to join him on his murderous rampages that he will not find lacking?
<<Well, you should at least be able to download as much as you want between the hours of midnight and 6am>>: Good idea, but this is Rutgers, and everyone can probably set stuff to do all their downloads during that time ("after midnight, time to fire up Morpheus.").
<<Only if they send me Vietnamese women!>>: To help with the housekeeping, right? Or is Lady Mystic out of the room?

Imzadi> <<It was 33 degrees this morning!>>: Hey, give me my winter.
<<He does not know such things>>: But I do know why it would be a good thing.
<>: Then why are you an engineer?

Warpmind> <<remember one of the most effective rules for fighting with edged implements, folks: Carpe Jugulum>>: But you don't want to sieze, just slice. Good book though. "You taught us to see patterns."
<<a small piece of rubbish encapsuled in the sickly excretions of an annoyed oyster>>: You read Sourcery yet?
<<it SHOULD be 300, not 600>>: Much better.

An the new mp3 is Everybody Needs Someone to Love by Wilson Pickett, just because I've picked up a bunch of his stuff lately.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:10:07 PM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Daphne: :Press Release:
As always, Lady Mystic will announce when the site has been updated. She is currently finishing the final touches to the pages and hopes to have them up before midnight.
Fire Storm
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:37:18 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

ouch, sorry about that...
anyway, I'm slightly confused... I went to go see these profiles you guys have, and according to the site it says there aren't any at this time. Where are they?
[confused...]
God BLess!
Daphne
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:28:48 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

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Daphne
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:27:19 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

I missed the most boring thing on TV for a decent reason.

Imzadi - <And I have a profile on TGS!> So do I.

In unrelated news, my spam count has gone through the ceiling since forwarding email from yahoo to another email address. How bad? 30 spams yesterday. Of course, having trouble accessing mail.com didn't help it any.

Warpmind - < God, in effect, is Chaos personified> Hmm. If you look hard enough, you can find organization in chaos.

Christine - <Last season's champ Son of Wyachi didn't even get out of his corner before everything went massively wrong!> Does that mean he lost? If so, I'm very happy.

Mecord - <Did I ever mention I hate computer labs?> Have I mentioned that I love computer labs?

Now, that I have caught up, it's time to care of some business:

***
A portal opens, sucking DisOrientation into the CR. DPH quickly straps her to his VR setup. DPH turns on the VR program and turns it off after 5 seconds. DPH unhooks DisOrientation from the VR and she looks at him with paranoia and quickly leaves.
***
As long as DisOrientation does not die, I wouldn't be bothered by her AGAIN (she's too paranoid of messing with me and I hope the programming I left to keep her from committing suicide and to keep her from getting in harm's way will work). What did she do? I can't find a set of keys, my checkbook, my comb, and she almost caused me to lose my mind. No, that's not all. After spending some time with a friend in attempt to relax, my car broke down on my way home. Note: she caused me to ignore the oil puddle below the car and caused me to hope I could get home safely.

No, that's not all going on with me: I am finally at the point of being able to go for a settlement over an automobile accident that caused my back problems. There's a big problem: The amount of being offered in the settlement is slightly less than half the cost of the medical bills.

No, that's not all. My friend asked about possibly renting the trailer that is behind my house. My grandmother leaved there before she died. I am concerned about this affecting our friendship, which is about the only thing keeping me halfway sane because, when I talk to her, I can finally relax.

The moron (yep, I'm in that kind of mood) is keeping me from relaxing. My sister-in-law thinks I might be because I am releasing anger against him.

I need to relax. I need to relax.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:58:57 PM
IP: 204.94.193.48

Mara> <<The speech was the best so far but that only means Smirker never wrote it.>> Who said he didn�t write it? Apparently you haven�t been listening to his other speeches. The last major speech that he gave and that was highly praised� he wrote it.
<<he's still an idiot.>> and this is based on what?
<<Big Brother Bush got the Smirker in office, and Daddy Bush pulled strings to give people a reason not to think he's not the total goofball he's always been.>> I can�t believe that there are still na�ve people that believe such garbage. This is what I have to say to that: prove it. Once again � for the zillionth time, Jeb Bush excused himself from any decisions concerning the Florida recount� so how did he get President Bush the votes? President Bush Sr. stayed out of the election activities as much as possible. Naw, don�t bother trying to answer any of these questions�. It�s very obvious that you are not interested in the truth of what happened and you believe the bullshit propaganda that the liberals want you to believe.
<<We need newer military shit? WHY?>> where have you been?? Our military is at an all time low in terms of enrollment, the equipment is old and out dated, the bases are poverty-stricken condition, etc. Who do we thank for this? Democrats�. With a #1 tattoo on clinton�s forehead.

Silvadel> <<Completely scriptwritten>> you know, what I don�t understand is that everyone made fun of him because he was not a good public speaker.. and then when he has good speeches � everyone acts like it�s such a crime or bad that it was written by speechwriters (if it even was). I know that you weren�t bashing President Bush, but I�ve seen a few others that have �pointed out� how his speech was scripted and it was so good that there�s no way he could have written it. He�s damned if he does, damned if he doesn�t.
I do agree with you about everything else that you�ve said concerning the political discussion.

Cyberklaw> <<That in turn would mean he has no free will, which in turn means he isn't entirely all-powerful and therefore not 'God'.>> ummm, ok. *blinks* Actually� it�s not anything like that. I am not going to get into a religious discussion of any kind � other than to say that if this is main reason for you not believing in God � it�s one of the most lame excuses I�ve ever heard. Also, it�s as David said � we cannot even begin to match wits with God nor do we always understand all that He is.

Shadowrider> *hugs* thanks! I�m not too sure about it just yet and have pretty made up my mind to stick to my original intentions. I think I'll stick to my LJ.
I�ll be sending off an email to you soon =) I�m sure glad that you are back � even if it is just a short break between finals.

Doug> <<When there was no IP tracking, identity checks, intense story scrutiny, or unjustified flames, and they weren't necessary either. We yearn for a return to that time>> hell, I'd settle for people just not talking about their personal sex lives in here. I don't give a rat's ass who has had sex in their showers, nor do I particularly want to hear about it.

Spike> <<we just finished the Cub Scout Pinewood Derby, where my rookie Tiger Cub Ryan finished with the 2nd fastest time.>> awwww!! I remember those! Hehe Looks like I will be back doing these again in a few years! O.o Congrats to your son, Ryan � it�s unusual for a Tiger cub to place in the Pinewood Derby! =) I�ll have to get some of the trade secrets from you ;)

No baby yet. Eesh! Anna was up for most of the night � which she in turn woke me up 5 times to tell me that she was in pain. I asked her how long she had been in pain and she said, �at least an hour� I told her that contractions do not last for an hour straight. *chuckles* At around 4:30am, she was having a bloody discharge and I had her call the hospital to see if she should come on in. They told her that she was definitely starting labor and when the contractions became 5 minutes apart to come to the hospital. The contractions were (and still are) 15 minutes apart and not very strong. I think Zach is has a warped sense of humor and is planning on waiting until the roads ice over.

I think I've found inner peace. My therapist told me a way to achieve inner peace was to finish things I had started. So, today I finished 2 bags of potato chips, a lemon pie, a fifth of Jack Daniels and a small box of chocolate candy.
I feel better already.

Jan
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:54:27 PM
IP: 12.110.237.81

Warpmind- Okay, I was just trying to save you a buck. I figured shipping, taxes and inflation would up the price a chunk, but I knew it had to be better than SIX hundred... Three hundred is still more than I'd pay for less than 50 episodes, (let alone only 26) but yeah, thats a good bit more reasonable. Hope you gret ahold of it, Trigun is a GREAT series.

Bush's speech- He didn't write it, but we need someone to be a war leader. He serves that purpose better than Gore could have, I'm sure. (Tho I didn't vote for either of them.) As far as spending more money on war... Hey, war is GOOD for buisness.

SPacebabie- I myself haven't bought any SLayers DVDs yet, as I have all 3 series on tape... But someday I'll likely upgrade, if I can find them for about 80 bucks...

Doug- Stop posting here. You are NOT welcome in here. You *HAVE* been banned from this place, but the ban protocals have to be updated every week, and I've been lax in doing that, because I've been busy with work and because I thought even a scumbag like you would have sense enough to stay away from a place where you betrayed, lied to and stabbed everyone in the back and are pretty much hated by all. I don't need a new reason to ban you, the crap you pulled in the past is more than enough justification, but coming in here to insult people and make an ass of yourself out of some petty desire for vengeance is more than reason enough. So leave the CR now, and never come back, or I'll ban you flat out.

The reason we don't believe your CRAP LIES is because there is so much evidence against you that you never even TRY to disprove or give a reason against. Yes, "MrNoying" and "Sevarius Junior" are fake names. But Its no secret that my name is Robert John Bevard the second, and in fact, I haven't posted as "MrNoying" since my second or third week here. I know SJ's real name, as well as the real names of many of the other people in here. If asked in private, I could provide an adress, phone number, social security number, birth cerificate, school ID for high school and college, yearbooks, PROOF that I've been places and done things, years of photographs and a dozen other things from immediate grasp in my room. And if I had a day to search through my garage, I could find HUNDREDS of other things to prove my existence. I can put in a public appearance around LOTS of people to prove my identity. And then there's just dozens and dozens of other things about you that you LIED about, but I don't feel like backtracking through to CR to post all that garbage again.

We think you lied about crap BECAUSE YOU DID, because your stories about your life, and facts about your life (including personal scars jumping from one of you to the other) are so outrageous that we actually DISBELIEVE YOUR EXISTENCE, to the point we doubted it so much we started checking to try and convince ourselves "Kit" *DID* exist and we were only being paranoid, only to find more and more evidence against her existence. And in the face of your very existence being questioned, you did NOTHING to try and prove to us otherwise. In fact, when faced with evidence that you could SO EASILY disprove with realative ease, you instead say we have to trust you, and that all our proof against you is wrong because you've been LYING ALL ALONG about Lisa "Kit" Telman's real name. At the end of it all, you expected us to TRUST you BECAUSE you'd been lying to us for three years? Do you have any idea how INSANE and UNHEARD OF that is? As far as WHY you've done all this, I don't know, I can only assume you have some sort of mental problem. WHy else would you continue coming in somewhere you are NOT wanted or liked anymore?

Look, I don't feel like dealing with a dumbfuck like you right now, so I won't. DOn't come back, or I'll just have to start banning you again, which is a waste of my time. The only reason I wasted my time pointing this out is to remind everyone else of WHY you're banned. Stay out, you're NOT welcome here. The few people in here who actually want to talk to you, can, through e-mail. Leave the rest of us alone.
Robby
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:34:43 PM
IP: 172.133.102.26

Quickie post before I crash.

All this talk of snow and it's been in the high 60s and low 70s all week here. That's Maryland weather for ya.

I'm posting here largely out of desperation since the G2002 board's been quiet as anything: Is there ANYONE going to G2002 who's coming from the Baltimore/Owings Mills/Catonsville/Ellicott City area? Anywhere on the Western Shore of Maryland? I'm driving down to the hotel on Thursday morning, and while I know the route, it's going to be a 5-hour drive and I don't want to take it alone. My future roommate will not be coming; she remembers Gargoyles fondly, but she doesn't make as much as me and has student loans to pay off so there's no way she could come along.

For that matter, the G2002 board hasn't gotten a lot of traffic. I take it this will be a low-attendance con? Or did folks make arrangements already? I'm looking for a third roomie since my potential roommate is having difficulty getting money together for plane tickets.

*sigh* til tomorrow... need to get my things together.
Mandolin
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:33:49 PM
IP: 68.55.112.161

State of the Union: I was listening to the speech last night. Dubya did a good job of rallying the troops ... and let's face it, basically all the State of the Union is for is to rally the troops for the coming year.

I would say this to those who believe that no further military spending is needed: Please keep in mind that at the current time, some military bases (particularly Army and Marine bases in the South come to mind) are currently having to operate with failing facilities and materiel that dates back to WWII, and approximately 60% of enlisted personnel's families currently live on food stamps. As far as military readiness goes, assuming we can handily kick any rogue nation's ass is blatantly and dangerously arrogant, as we *should* have learned from 9/11. For a better explanation of this, there was a novel that was released in I believe 1995 entitled "The Next War." It was co-written by a former high-ranking Defense Department official and a military novelist, and theorized about the next five wars the United States would be involved with. I won't go into too much detail, but the U.S. did *not* come out on top in all of them ... in fact, IIRC *RUSSIA* kicked our asses in one of the scenarios, and it all came down to military cuts that the Clinton administration made which were pinpointed as the cause for the weakening of the U.S. military infrastructure.

This isn't just my biased opinion as a Navy brat. Check the book out ... I'm sure Amazon has it available. (I gave a hardback copy to my mother for Christmas the year it came out)

Greg: Glad to see that you've changed at least a *little* bit of your opinion of the President. :)

Ravyn: **kisses back** Glad to see that your teeth are healin' up, honey. :)
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 07:34:20 PM
IP: 216.234.99.99

Cyberclaw> Only if you put a pretty limited definition to "All powerful."

If someone was really ALL powerful, then he could do ANYTHING, even if doing so was paradoxical. If paradox was a limitation to his powers he wouldn't be ALL powerful. He'd just be really, really, really powerful.

Omnipotence is a tough concept to get one's mind around.

Of course, a scientist/christian philosopher I once heard speak pointed out that God could do almost everything described in the bible with the abilities just one "superpower" the ability to move freely through both time and space. (Not everything, but enough that the rest is just SFX.)

God is so far beyond logic that rational science is useless in proving or disproving his existence.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 05:56:21 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Silvadel >>>You misunderstand me. First off, that paradox isn't the only thing that stops me believing in God and is only a very small part of my thoughts on this matter. There are plenty of other things. Second, my faith isn't 'shaken'. I was raised a chistian, but as I got older, I thought over the whole religion thing for myself and decided not to believe in god. It's not a matter of shaken faith, it's a matter of this being my choice of belief. I have nothing against people who chose to believe in God, provided they have nothing against me.

I accept that there are many things in this world that are unexplained and inexplicable. But to me that does not automatically mean that there is a God.

That's all for now.
cyberklaw
London, UK
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 05:53:28 PM
IP: 64.12.102.51

cyberklaw -- Actually it was the primative people who wrote the bible who said he was all powerful -- all powerful to them surely. The god-role from the bible doesnt require all powerful -- Powerful is good enough.

There are things out there beyond your philosophy horatio...

The paradox you mention shouldnt be sufficient to shake your faith...
silvadel
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 05:35:07 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Wow. My pathetic questions got more of a response that I thought they would. I noticed that the chicken and the egg one brought out some mentions of God. So I just thouht I'd share my thoughts on the man upstairs...

Personally, I don't believe he exists. I was raised a christian, but these days I don't really believe in any of it. I could go on for days on the reasons, but I'd just end up boring everyone to death, so I won't bother. But to me, the very concept of God is paradoxical.

God is an all-powerful, all-knowing being, right? So he knows everything, including stuff that is going to happen? That would include the stuff He himself is going to do. That in turn would mean he has no free will, which in turn means he isn't entirely all-powerful and therefore not 'God'.

That's all from me...
cyberklaw
London, UK
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 05:00:03 PM
IP: 205.188.193.41

**Winterwolf stops for a visit**

Hi. Aww the snow is all melting and disappearing around where I live. I'm told Seattle doesn't get much snow so it was fun to see and play in this past weekend. I wonder if there is more snow up north where Christine is...

Revel> Well I'm happy that it looks like I'll be paying a couple hundred less here than NY. Yay!

Stephen> My condolences. I hope you find someone out there for you.

Ravyn> <British girl> That sounds awful. I've met really nice exchange students in my time though none of them were British. :\ Hope those 5 weeks go quickly.

Gside> <Who's ever heard of miniature giant space chinchillas> LOL

Shadowrider> Welcome back. Glad to here you enjoyed Lord of the Rings. Dreamie and I both liked it. Our only complaint was the length because the movie seats weren't comfy and the armrest between us couldn't be moved out of the way... ;) Congrats on getting Structures out of the way (hope you will be pleasantly surprised since you're not sure how you did exactly). How many more finals do you have? Just Fluids or are there others in addition? Anyway it is good to see you back. ^_^

Niamhgold> **Dreamie and Winterwolf huggles back** <3D rendering... Do you have experience in this stuff?> I have some but I believe Fire Storm has much more experience and would be able to give you good pointers. :)

Fire Storm> Heh. Now Niamhgold should be probing you for 3D advice ;P (See above) <Chinchillas... Hmm... OK! I can see that!> Cute. ^_^

Mara> Well said. **hi-five**

Well I have to go and pick up Dreamie. **big happy grin** Bye!

**Winterwolf exits**

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 03:45:27 PM
IP: 172.181.175.5

Christine>> Loved "HP and the Fifth House"!! Somewhere, Rowlings is looking over her shoulder and sensing you.....

Warpmind>> Just thought I'd let you know that those rocks you sent me are going to good use -- Paul has them as part of his "Rocks that Talk" science fair project. (And geology is SO much safer than something that will blow the house up....)

Not much going on with me... we just finished the Cub Scout Pinewood Derby, where my rookie Tiger Cub Ryan finished with the 2nd fastest time. Now I'm busy catching up and working on more game illustrations, this time for Earthdawn from Living Room Games. Nice change from drawing angels but all my orcs keep coming out like Alphonse Bugbegone for some reason.... dunno why. *L*
Spike
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 02:40:59 PM
IP: 64.216.237.0

Shinigami -- Nice out of context statement... At any rate I think the democrats are being very very two-faced right now... And for once the people might be so very close to seeing through it Fnord.

I consider myself libertarian so I am not for either the democrat or republican agendas... But I will say this much... The republicans try to be fair -- The democrats use any tactic they can to parlimentarily gut stuff. The playing field is not level.

I want a GET OUT OF MY FACE approach to governance. They take entirely too much in taxes and require way too much that you wouldnt do otherwise. So very much waste to satisfy them.
silvadel
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 01:48:52 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Did I ever mention I hate computer labs?

Superman comics>> Superman is a real jerk sometimes. I don�t keep up with it any more. Though I do skim through one everyone in a while to remind myself why I don�t read them. I looked through one this week in fact. Superman getting set up as the �messiah� of an alien race. The planet they took him to had a red sun so he got beat up by a pathetic tyrant wannabe. *shrugs* I didn�t like it. But the whole superman and Clark issue I think is pretty silly and the only was he�s been able to keep it a secret so long is by manipulating what the public knows about Superman (he does do most of the reporting on Superman after all). The rest of it is just DC comics stretching reality. I prefer X-men and the Marvel Universe.

Todd>> It�s not just that Sauron didn�t believe they would destroy the ring and not use it against him. Sauron knew that his ring linked all the other rings together and if his was destroyed, the power of the others would fade. He thought the elves would be unwilling to destroy all their work. He also trusted that anyone who tried to carry the ring to Mordor would fall under it�s influence and would never be able to complete the task. As far as that goes, he was right. Frodo was overcome in the end by the rings power. If it weren�t for Sam and Gollum the ring would never have been destroyed.

Sigh, no time for more today. I�ll just end with a short plug for my story.

***plug warning***
COMING SOON!!!!!

Infinity Broken part 3
With the rest of the clan dead Hudson and Elisa launch the final stage of their mission to find a way to change time�. Or finally accept the loss they suffer.

Get ready for it by reading parts 1 and 2.

By David (Mecord) Henderson

***end plug***

Later!

Mecord
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 01:27:19 PM
IP: 129.123.1.63

Lain: <moldy Mars bars> Exactamundo. :)

GXB: You were cloned from Aaron? I did not know that.

Christine: Yes, the book is being enjoyed. Just read Tiercel Reyes' intro. Interesting Antagonist, check. :)

Shadowrider: Her loss. That's right. :) <max E-mail size> 4 MB should work. I've never gotten anything so big, but I have a 6 MB box that's only 1% full. Hmm.

David G: Slayers in Prison. That would be interesting. But I don't know, it might also get old fast.

Fleur: Sorry about your grudge. I'm also sorry for whatever wrongs I've done in here. I'd say more but right now I really don't feel like it. I still don't fully understand why I of all people had to be singled out, or why so many of you are so certain I did the things of which you accuse me. I should also add that I have not noticed this level of scrutiny applied to everyone you mentioned. If as you say it's because of me, to say I created it is blaming the victim. I'm not apologizing for something unfairly blamed on me, nor do I think it should continue to exist. I am continuing to come in here despite it, putting up with the consequences, hoping that if I keep it up long enough it will go away. Oh, and btw, about fake names, just about everyone in here uses a fake name or has at one time or another. SJ is a fake name, Mr Noying is a fake name, Shadowrider is a fake name, Fleur might be your real name but I've never asked so I don't know for sure. A fake name is not the same as a fake identity, maybe you should have used that term. <shrugs>

Josh: Texas is also valuable for cattle, cotton, rice, and a LOT of proud citizens. <insults> The threat was just to get your attention. Looks like it worked. :) BTW, I hear Berkley is full of nothing but deadbeat career students, drug-addicted dopes, and liberal anti-American nancy boys. Which are you?

Mara: There was a lot less bull from me than all of you assumed. I'm way too tired right now to go into what's bull and what's not, few people in here would probably believe me about it even if I did- that's the main reason I'm not. If Kit and I had some confidence that we could just state the truth and say we're sorry and be believed and have this all just end, we'd do it. But that confidence does not exist and you, Fleur, SJ, etc, aren't doing a lot to create it. It all comes down to this- neither Kit nor I have called anyone in here on bullshit posts, obvious or not, except when said bullshit applied to us. Even then we have not demanded the people heaping this bullshit leave the room and/or fess up about it. We are not going to stand for that attitude being heaped on us, especially unfairly. We don't come in here to have to deal with such attitudes, we come in here to spend time with the friends we still have and enjoy that time. We remember a time when the CR didn't have this kind of thing, and didn't need it. When there was no IP tracking, identity checks, intense story scrutiny, or unjustified flames, and they weren't necessary either. We yearn for a return to that time, and we are going to keep pledging for one. As CR admin, if you want a place where everyone can come in good faith to experience friendship, love, trust, and cameraderie as well as comment on hopefully continually good TGS stories, you too should want a return, in my opinion.

I ask everyone in here who continues to accuse me and Kit of the things we have allegedly done this- why did we do such things? What reason do you think we did? Y'all have never really answered this question, though we have asked it many times. A new set of questions- if your allegations were true, why wouldn't I fess up about it? If Kit is not real, why would I keep insisting she is? If I was fooling the CR all along, why wouldn't I say "Ok, you caught me," and laugh it up? That's the best part of any practical joke, right? I am an honorable person, or at least I like to think so, and I value my time and friendships in here. If fessing up to your allegations against me would make my time in here more enjoyable, would stop all of you continuing to flame me, I'd do it. But I don't think it would. I don't think giving the real explanation for all this, whatever it is, would either. But it doesn't matter- your allegations are not true. Believe me or not as you will, I don't care. Just ignore me and Kit and let us talk to and spend time with those who are still our friends. Meanwhile you do your own thing, don't talk to us- we won't care. Is that fair? Will that work? I hope so, because honestly right now I see no other solution.

GL name- The only thing Kit and I are grinning about is our happiness to still be able to come in here and still find a few people who call us friend. We are proud and happy to know such people. And to be alive and not banned. That is all, and really it is enough.
GL
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 01:25:46 PM
IP: 64.157.88.67

Gahhh ... it might help if I added the link ...
Christine - [<---- Harry Potter and the Fifth House]
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 01:08:54 PM
IP: 64.24.214.18

A combination of snow and stomach flu have made it pretty likely we're not going out today ... except I still have to drag myself to my CERT class tonight and learn the delicate art of Fire Suppression (unless they cancel on account of the snow). What fun.

Added another, monstrously long (53,000 words) Harry Potter fanfic, this one saucier ... clickie to see.

Battlebots > woo, one of the shortest fights in history last night! Last season's champ Son of Wyachi didn't even get out of his corner before everything went massively wrong! Where are the rest of the big names? Still waiting to see Biohazard, Diesector, and of course as always holding my breath in anticipation of Deadblow! Funny that the bot a team bought over the internet is doing so well.

Avalon Mists > just a reminder, the voting is still open! Thanks to the many who've sent in their votes already. The rest of you have until Feb. 22 to let your voice be heard.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 01:08:13 PM
IP: 64.24.214.18

State of the Union. Ver good. It looks like he is the unifier by listening to the Democratic response. Of course the most entertaining part was watching Ted "Imsofatanddrunkandicouldkillsomeoneandthereelectmeagainohwaitididwithmycarweeeeeeee" Kennedy's reaction when the Smirker gave him a shout out.

BUFFY SPOILERS
I'm thinking the real big bad might turn out to be Amy instead of Willow.

Loved the scenes with Anya and her old Demon friend.

Blatant Soylent Green rip off, and an Aliens rip off too at the end. I don't think I'll be eating fast food ro a while
SPOILERS END

Not much else to add, except for replies
GXB>>>Intersting group. I�m going to try to model after Xena,Faith,Ryoko,Twiglight Suzuka,Eudial,Seven of Nine, Dana Scully and maybe had a bit of Demona and a dash of the Amazoness Quartet.

Cyberclaw>>>1. Humanity as a whole, good or bad?
I say good. We are all good deep in our heart. The problem with some people is that they have chemical imbalances in the brain or tend to take things to the extreme.

2. What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Chicken. God made the chicken. He did not make the egg.

3. Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?
A.Many don�t get it cause they are either too stupid, or don�t have enough imagination and sense of wonder.
B.There are the stereotypes�Like The comic book guy �Worst Episode ever.� For example take the LOTR Purists, its because of these stereotypes that the media and the populace has perceived the typical scifi fan as a geek.
C.The Media, because of the certain sterotypes mentioned the media portrays everyone who likes sci fi as a geek. And because of that the so called cool crowd doesn�t want to like scif for fear of being leabeled geeks.

Firstorm>>>Twas a bad attempt

Shadowrider<<>>Whatever gets the job done.

Fleur<<<Aaron's not his type - he's real>>>LOL!

Robby>>>I get my Slayers DVD sets for cheaper than that.

Josh<<<And I have a profile on TGS! Sweet.>>> I made one too.<<<It doesn't look that way, but will it fall anyway? >>>Nope<<<You mean does it get bad luck? Probably>>>Well she also has white paws, chin, chest, and belly.<<<Its Hollywood. Probably coke.>>>I would have thought Absinthe<<<Nope.>>>::Pulls out Smackers and Baps Josh :: YES!<<<Let 'em sue>>>Let them shove the Euro up their unwashed butt holes<<<Nope. >>>I did. I wore a nightgown,robe, and puppy dog slippers

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:35:48 PM
IP: 67.24.18.200

josh>> <<Are you incapable of fighting back? Is this rampant hippyism what causes you to just let people walk all over you?>> um.. i guess so.. i also forgive people a little too easily, i think. they can do just about anything bad you an think of but.. if they realize it and offer an apology (in any form) then its all forgiven. forgiven, not forgotten, though. i believe everyone deserves as many chances as necessary to get it right, they just have to ask for it. <> how does THAT work?? o.O <<Why don't you just do something really awful to her?>> like? and.. why would i want to? door slamming is revenvge enough.

revel>> <<Next step, place roach bait things in front of her door only. Then tell her you saw a roach go under her door.>> aaah if only there were the TINIEST chance of there being a roach in this apartment building..

fire storm>> <<BUT if I were a gambling man, my money would be on yes, they will.>> ill bet the other side.. just cause.

SJ>> <<It�s also representative of about a thousand other countries out there. They want us to help them, protect them, give them aid, etc., then after we do that, they give us the finger and call us �The Great Satan�. That�s how it is.>> i dont suppose youve given any thought to WHY the somalis hate the US and all things western, have you? y'know.. it MIGHT have something to do with things like.. tying guys down and shocking their genitals with wires from radio generators, or.. tying women to trucks and raping them with flare guns or.. roasting young children alive over fires to "convince them to not steal" or.. forcing ther young children to drink vomit and worms or.. trying to lure starving civillians onto firing ranges with food and water and calling it a "turkey shoot" or.. capturing young boys, blindfolding them and tying them up and torturing them for nine hours with batons, a lead pipe and cigarettes until they died.. yeah, you know, after living through that, i think *I*d be cheering to see ANYTHING related to the "peacekeeping" mission go down in flames, wouldnt you?
o.O
and, interestingly enough.. the population of somalia is 90% muslim. not that this has anything to do with anything or that im trying to draw any conclusions.. cos im not (shall i repeat? *NOT TRYING TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS*) i just thought it was... interesting..
<<Though it would be a flat-out hilarious joke if I didn't see some actual truth in that phrase.>> you just dont get it, do you?

gl>> <<No, sex in the shower.>> oooooooh.. *twitch*.. *twitchtwitch* sex in the shooooower.. mmmmm..
er.. i mean.. not that i.. er.. heh.. gunjack? come here and stop me before i embarass BOTH of us.. ;)
re: you and sj>> quit it already! its gettin kinda old.. like stale mars bars.. things that were good to get your teeth into once upon a time but now are just old and wrinkled and tired.. and taste bad. :P

ravyn>> i find it funny about your british hallmate thinking americans are "kleptos." ESPECIALLY with the british reputation for nicking cars.. my grandmothers house (which is in an inky dinky rural town, right next to a power plant that looks like homer simpson should work there) doesnt even have a DOORKNOB on the front door, thats how paranoid she is.. <<calling all American men ugly.>> well...... *gives metaldemon the up-and-down* oh, allright thats not COMPLETELY fair but.. funny.. <<Then, she decides to spend her first night here going out with her British friends to the bars and getting dead drunk.>> mmm sloshed brits... 1/4 of young males in britain will die from stuff directly related to alcohol.. cos lots of them like to drink lots. and they watch television more socially that north americans, so theyre more likely to go out to the pub to watch the game with buddies and get REAL drunk than stay home and get slightly drunk..

didnt see the state of the union address (darn! i was SOOOO looking forward to it, too :P) so.. ill leave the commenting to people who did..

fleur>> <<The US never said they were the government?>> nope. neither did most of the rest of the world. everybody knew they were in charge, but they werent a "recognized government." <<So it's all a matter of recognition.>> yeah, pretty much. <<Are those political semantics really beginning to $hit anybody else?.> *raises hand* oh, you becha.. <<But didn't every government start out as a social movement?>> yes, thats probably true. but again with the lack of recognition. <<Tories and something else, I think (sorry, I've had a brain fart)>> labour party. we have (from left to right)the NDP (new democratic party) the liberals, the tories, the bloc (the guys who want to rip up our country) and the alliance (aka the CRAP party) heh.. and theyre the MAIN parties.. (we have too many main parties). but they are all "recognized" and jean cretien and the liberals are "internationally recognized" as our leaders. <<Yeah, it's helped a lot. Thanks. ;)>> YAAAAY!!! i was goodforsomething!! <> good good, me too :) <<We're like rabid hyenas coming across a flock of deer with broken legs).>> O.O LOL!!!! now THAT was a funny mental picture!!! :D

dph>> <<The chicken, of course. My account of the creation does not mention eggs being created, only animals.>> thats a good point! i never thought of that before. not that i necessarily believe in creation, but.. at least you can back UP your claim of chickens coming first :D unlike me, who says "duuuuh... idunno.."

warps>> <<"PASSWORD REJECTED: NOT LONG ENOUGH"...>> LOL!!!! ha ha ha!!!! im sorry to laugh at you but.. that was REALLY funny!!!! :D

mara>> <<Its not like we don't already kick major ass with what we've got.>> uh.. yeah.. kinda.. nato, japan, south korea, israel and the us account for 80% of global military spending. the us *alone* outspends russia, china, iraq, syria, iran, north korea, libya and cuba *combined* by a ratio of 2:1.. as for "rogue states," (iraq, syria, iran, north korea, lybia and cuba) the us outspends them by something like 22:1.
but, you know, its all about the economy. the us government employs around 7,000 people just to coordinate and administer arms sales (not counting the people in embassies all over the world, whose primary "dimplomatic" function is to sell arms. the us' arms sales were 14 *billion* dollars greater than those of russia, england, france and germany *combined* from 1993-7. aaaand.. the biggest purchasers for this period were: saudi arabia, taiwan, turkey, egypt and south korea.
hmm. overkill much?
<< the Mexicans and the Canadians out (dammit and where will we get our grocery stock boys and comedians from now?)>> LOL!!!!! hee hee, its SO true.. id stock groceries for THAT exchange rate.. ;)

anyway, right. ive had my fun for the day, time to get back to worrying, my appointment at the hospital is in 3 hours..

love,
lain "blowback" iwakura
the Great White North
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:35:34 PM
IP: 64.228.194.151

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Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:37:17 AM
IP: 129.21.153.13

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Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:35:38 AM
IP: 129.21.153.13

STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS: 75 standing ovations,each cut into the Smirker's sentences and do you know why? Lack of explanation on how his plan would be possible. F*ck it, at least Clinton could string more than two words together at a time. (Plus I miss that cute lip biting thing he did. Oh yeah...) The speech was the best so far but that only means Smirker never wrote it. (Hey, who else misses those fun Bush quotes? )It annoys me that somehow he's seen in a different light after the 9-11 tragedy. Sorry, I don't buy it- he's still an idiot. An idiot with a good crew behind him, perhaps, maybe, but hell you don't need a genius front man to have a good band- usually it's the shebbish guys in the back doing all the work. Big Brother Bush got the Smirker in office, and Daddy Bush pulled strings to give people a reason not to think he's not the total goofball he's always been.

Mara art not impressed. Mara notices no one 'important' died in that tragedy. Hell , remember Clinton was suppose to have an office at the Twin Towers? Mara art suspicious of da man.

And he's got this fricking "You like me, you really like me" look on his face while he's spelling out deficent spending on the military. We need newer military shit? WHY? Its not like we don't already kick major ass with what we've got. He wants to spend more than the billion a month that he mentioned is being spent now. We're in a fucking recession, why not use the money where needed. "We'll only have a small deficent for a short period of time if Congress can keep its spending in check." HA as if it could ever! Homeland security is a front for keeping the Mexicans and the Canadians out (dammit and where will we get our grocery stock boys and comedians from now?) and increased intelligence scares the bejesus out of me... what if those pictures get out?!?! I'll be ruined! Hell, the only thing I agreed with him on was the keeping of unemployment and medical benefits, as well as adding prescription drugs to things that Medicare covers. May it bankrupt those pill making bastards who no longer are interested in curing diseases because the money is in long time prescriptions that don't do diddley-squat.

::deep sigh:: Well my steam's run out. Just, I don't get it, I really don't.

Silvadel:Lets work together by stalling indefinitely all legislation bush wants.>> Amen, fricking amen to that.

Doug::Especially since I don't find your Aaron attractive in the least. You are quite welcome to him>> I'm not surprised you wouldn't find Aaron attractive, he's the one who got tired of your bull and called you on it.

Fleur:: I wouldn't worry. Aaron's not his type - he's real.>> Ouch. Good one.

Josh::Way to ingratiate yourself to the new admin.>> As if he could make it good with me anyhow?

Later.
Shinigami
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:23:48 AM
IP: 172.167.29.21

Warpmind -- yep and we have also succeeded in confusing a huge number of them Fnord.

GWs speech was fairly good... Completely scriptwritten but it will keep people together. Daschle talks through both sides of his mouth... Lets work together by stalling indefinitely all legislation bush wants.

silvadel
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 08:57:21 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

*Warpmind wobbles in, laughing jollily.*
Two posts in a day, I know, I know... but we just got in a new guy on the computer next to mine... So, of course, he had to pick a password. Trying to freak out (presumably) the lady who was settling him in at the computer, he slowly and deliberately typed in the password "penis"...
Not two seconds later, the computer gave its searing reply: "PASSWORD REJECTED: NOT LONG ENOUGH"...
The network server here sure made MY day. :)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 08:43:14 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

Josh > I learned AutoCAD (version 12 at the time, which ran just a half step out of DOS) on a PC. In fact, the college I attended was using PCs for everything by the time I graduated (the engineering college had been running a VAX mainframe for years, but finally phased it out and set up a LAN of PC workstations). The company I work for now uses PCs. Every other engineering consulting firm I know of that we've ever worked with uses PCs. The state DOTs use PCs. The county and city engineers offices all use PCs. In fact, in over four years working as a civil engineer, I've never come across a single contract or advertisement for bids yet that specified anything other than using Windows PC software (whether it be AutoCAD or Microstation) to produce the deliverable product. So you say a Mac running a PC emulator would be better for engineering work? Somehow I suspect the clients specifying the use of a PC would disagree. At least in the field of civil engineering.
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 07:01:13 AM
IP: 66.72.205.159

*Warpmind strolls in, taking a few practice swings with a wooden stick.*
Hird-training tonight... I must see if I can't get some more accuracy built up with the sword/axe techniques... *Unethical grin* I'm possibly the toughest guy in he group, too... I don't wear gloves, leaving my knuckles at extreme risk of getting whacked. ;) And remember one of the most effective rules for fighting with edged implements, folks: Carpe Jugulum. };)

Shadowrider: Well, as thoroughly mind-numbing as those points were to me, at least I got some enjoyment out of them... I got badgered by a JW this morning, so I liberally, how to put it... rearranged his beliefs? };) (Normally, I won't challenge someone's beliefs out of cruelty, but I draw the line at JWs...)

Metaldemon: Well, you raise good counterpoints, but by the count of it, I think I'm still ahead... barely. And Lucifer representing Order versus God representing Chaos isn't all that much of a stretch, when you think about it... It would make a LOT more sense, considering Lucifer went into open revolt against God, if he had that kind of motivation...

Silvadel: I'm just surprised nobody else caught it sooner...

Greg B: I never said I had a crystalline structure on the logic, did I? I'm only human, after all, and, what with humans being made in God's image, if God's Chaotic, that makes even more sense now... in this backwardly awkward way... �� I'm beginning to scare myself...

Cyberclaw: To answer your questions: 1. Neither, just plain silly. 2. Egg. 3. What are the odds the sports buffs would wander into the sci-fi section of the library in the 60's or 70's? It kinda established a trend...

Fire Storm: Well, think about it. Microsoft's software, with all its disorderly flaws, DOES seem responsive to prayer... ;)

Fleur: Actually, I got that line from the second Discworld book, The Light Fantastic. I recommend it. :) (That series also finally gave me the proper grounds to define my grandmother as a pearl among people... a small piece of rubbish encapsuled in the sickly excretions of an annoyed oyster...)

Robby: You neglect to realize the likely excessive taxation in Norway. And I realized I made a significant typo, as well - it SHOULD be 300, not 600. (Numeric keypad, y'know.) And argue not with price beyond that; shipping and import tax, if I buy from overseas, will most likely kick up the price a LOT past the proce at Avalon. (Unless it gets shipped through France. Don't ask me why.)

Josh: Oh, the toilet wasn't an issue. Until the next morning. Anyway, I've already changed the password. Only the most illogical of minds would have a chance at cracking it. (Trying in the one-letter-at-a-time way would indeed take a LOT of time, at 13 symbols...)

Well, that's about it; I better scramble and go get some brunch, or something...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 03:46:15 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

Good day today, despite having to be awake early. My prof didn't show up for the research meeting, so my day effectively ended at 1230. I met with the guys from UCBMUG outside the CS building and we tabled for Apple for a while. Managed to talk a few kids into iBooks and iPods, which was cool.

And I'm done with the weeks work too! Joy!

And I have a profile on TGS! Sweet.

replies.

Warpmind: <<Had a ham, cheese, tomato, pickle, onion and egg sandwhich before bedtime>>: Sick dude. <<Never again; it affected my dreams>>: I'm surprised you were off the toilet long enough to FORM dreams. <<I'm about as happy as a necrophiliac in a morgue>>: That's pretty damn happy. <<how the heck did you find out my LAN password?>>: Brilliance, of course. <<Better change it to prunestew or something equally improbable now, since it is known>>: If you were smart, you'd chnage it to a word or combination of words that can't be found in the dictionary. <<23% sales tax... or is it 24% these days? I lose track>>: Whatever it is, its too damn expensive. <>: So she was "hot", then? <<does that seem like Order to you?>>: The real question is, does it beat the disorder that was there naturally? <<In conclusion, I've come to this, uh, conclusion>>: Brought to you by the department of redunancy department. <<God, in effect, is Chaos personified, and Lucifer actually represents Order!>>: It certainly would explain why the universe favors the creation of entropy. <<Microsoft might actually be divinely favoured>>: Say it ain't so!

Patrick Toman: <>: Los Angeles has been a bucket of rain and quakes lately. <<As soon as they produce a Mac that can run the vast collection of PC software I already own, I'll consider getting one>>: Two words: Virtual PC. That will work just fine unless you're an avid gamer. I use MATLAB and other engineering/CAD applications on it and it works flawlessly. In fact, it networks better than windows on a PC does. And for someone in the engineering biz, you should know that. <>: It is. The word that we need to question is "some". <<he isn't crippled with lowered self esteem due to the early onset of male pattern baldness>>: So true.

Shadowrider: <<even in this forsaken by the gods country of mine>>: Italy!? God-forsaken? Hardly. <>: I hate that. <<stop seeing those losers friends of yours>>: The moment a girl says this to me, she can expect me to hang up/kick her out of the car. <<couldn't you add some pics of the details>>: I'll consider it the next time I'm home. <<The cockpit, for example?>>: Of the interior of the cockpit? Not a chance. I'm not taking off the canopy. <<painting it...something I always found the most boring part>>: Its very difficult to get it to look right, but it pays off. <>: I agree 100%. <<Nothing useless in a fighter jet, nothing decorative...everything has at least one use>>: Yup. And now you see why I'm a mac user ;-) <<it is surprisingly easy to have them work for you, and for free, if you can bait them>>: A tactic which has worked many times. <<even the way you tell a girl she's cute is important...you know it, right>>: I do. <<my class was not full of jokes>>: I think some would be lost in the translation. Many dirty jokes just don't translate well to other languages. <<He has eventually a very creepy way to talk you while looking above your left shoulder>>: Is he blind in one eye? <<it was HER loss, isn't it?>>: Good attitude! I always tell myself the same thing after a failure. <>: So would your girlfriend.

The Wizard: <>: Sorry about those brick walls. That was me. <<It's 75 degrees in Baltimore, at the end of January>>: Did I ever tell you that I hate you? <>: It was 33 degrees this morning! <<A lot to do this week>>: Less time to do it in? <<I'm scared, because I barely know enough 3d to get by. And this is my competition?>>: Why don't you wait and see what happens when you've actually finished a class? <>: I fail to see how that makes you any less attractive. <<True. And, you know, I've worked with Apple platforms and I swear, I wouldn't use them because of the OS>>: Wait, that makes no sense. You agree that few people use windows because they want to you, yet you say that you don't like Mac OS. Are you one of the few? <<like how 3d Max can change skins to have a Maya interface>>: Its not that simple. Putting a skin on an interface isn't the same as changing the interface. They MAKE mac skins for windows. But I paid for Aqua, this particular interface. Its the way of doing things, not just the look. Sure, things like anti-aliased text and translucent menus/title bars are cool, but its the things like PDF rendering of all windows/pages and drag-and-drop that makes the interface into what Mac users never shut up about ;-) <<Windows XP can change skins to be like OS>>: No matter what M$ would like you to think, Luna is a far cry from Aqua. <<I'm not running out and installing XP yet>>: Forget yet. Don't ever install it. Its not like you need it to run new software. <<it seems that he's neurotic enough to do it, despite fair warning>>: And never talk with another girl again? I'm neurotic, not stupid. <<Experiencing technical difficulties?>>: Nope. <<That's twice in one post...defensive?>>: No, I was just saying it to two different people in case one doesn't read the other. <<Berkeley's listed _everywhere_>>: I'm wanted. <<Depends on how slowly I do it>>: True. <<The funny thing is, I was a chubby pre-adolescent>>: I can't picture that. <<finished that yet?>>: No. <<You may try and test it out on ME>>: Nah, just on telemarketers. <<Experience. And some cash. Depending on the evaluation at the end of six months>>: Evaluation on what criteria? <<That's because they just have DIFFERENT problems>>: Very true. I won't lie and say they're perfect. They aren't. <<Last I checked, _Pentium_ had a 2.2 chip>>: Yes, it also has a 20 stage pipeline, so it does work half as fast as a G4. Also, the p4 doesn't have FOUR FPU's for graphics stuff. As far as I know, Intel doesn't even have export restrictions on their machines. Apple isn't allowed to sell machines in Iraq or Iran or Cuba or any other place that wants us dead. <<Why's that amazing?>>: For a computer, that's pretty damn impressive. No other computer in history sold that fast. <<How many of these people are the ones who _haven't_ been brainwashed by Apple, and know what's on the inside?>>: Well, that depends on how brainwashed you want. There's brainwashed like me, "I love macs, they rock." and they're brainwashed like my friend Ian, "Steve Jobs is the smartest man in the world, has never made a mistake, and Apple has never done anything wrong and loves me and all other mac users deeply." As for knowing what's on the inside, the specs sell this machine a lot more than the form factor, I think. The people who don't know won't buy one, they'll stick with their old iMacs because they still connect to the internet just fine. <<Can I _please_ ask which picture was sent?>>: me1.jpg. And the one at the auto show...nah, just kidding. <<I'm three hours ahead of you. Better catch up>>: K, I'll fly out there. <<I've heard that in statics, you need to cryogenically freeze yourself in order to sit still during the length of that course>>: Or a professor who likens bridge trusses to dresses. <<You need to be using the backseat for something else>>: He does not know such things. <<against my better judgement>>: Everyone in the room thinks your cute. Doesn't your judgement say to send it? <<Now THAT's making a profit>>: Brilliant. <<To see Adobe at MacExpo and maybe check out LA>>: And wacom. You forgot wacom. <<Don't let him gloat too much>>: He's not gonna stop me. <<And thanks...I think?>>: I know SJ, and that's a compliment. <>: The only one, I'm sure. <<The single life is pretty interesting>>: True, true.

Todd: <<it's not good etiquette to bring down somebody else's super-villain>>: I wasn't aware of that.

David G: <<If you were super-strong, invulnerable, and could fly, why would you bother going to work?>>: Because you can't rob banks for a living if you want to be a hero. <<Deep in Lex's twisted little psyche, he may think that if he beats Superman through his secret identity that the victory will be cheapened>>; Now THAT is a good point. <<all they'd have to do is hack the DMV and start killing people who matched that description. They'd get to him eventually>>: I'm sure Lex really has the time for that. <>: LOL! <<then we can do a season of "Slayers in Prison" episodes. That'd be fun>>: There's a porn story in the making.

Metaldemon: <<no one is supposed to know that!>>: Why not? It would save us a lot of time (but it would wind up costing us all our money).

GL: <>: Or at least a handful of warm water at night. <<Especially since I don't find your Aaron attractive in the least. You are quite welcome to him>>: Way to ingratiate yourself to the new admin. <<Get out of my cave>>: Great line. I need that sound clip attached to my door or something. <<I'm not intending to flame>>: Sorry doug, but that's BS. How could that be anything BUT a flame? <<The last guy who called me one got rather severely injured- This is not a threat, just a fact>>: Sorry, but that's a threat. And don't ever threaten me. I'm not afraid of you at all, so its a waste of breath. Second, I'm way smarter than you, and I'd wind up embarassing you. <>: Sure. The same day I stop insulting New Yorkers, rednecks, people from The Valley, accents from Boston, foreigners, whites, blacks, asians, jews, christians, muslims, and every other group. I'm an equal opportunity offender. <<There are more oil fields in America than just Texas, and a lot more in America than just oil fields>>: True, but that is the valuable part of Texas. <<We can fight a pretty good guerilla war in America>>: Best of luck.

Silvadel: <<Congrats to warpmind>>: Huh? What fnords?

Spacebabie: <<it doesn't look like it will fall on our heads anytime soon>>: It doesn't look that way, but will it fall anyway? <<what happens if a black cat walks under a ladder?>>: You mean does it get bad luck? Probably. <<What kind of drugs where they doing when they made this film>>: Its Hollywood. Probably coke. <<He can show me his light saber and use the force on me anytime>>: LOL! <<Looks like it will be my CHILDREN who shall take over the reign>>: Nope. <<Call me the caramel expert>>: What about whipped cream? <<You can also catch a virus by being at certain parties>>: True, but those virii are generally harmless. <<I�m sure the French have been doing it that way for years>>: Let 'em sue. <<What about pajamas during pajama day of Spirit Week?>>: Nope.

Skippy: <<shapechanging Supergirl>>: Supergirl can change shape?

Greg X: <<There's something in Metropolas' drinking water that makes everybody there a retard>>: LOL! <<Sooner or later Talia will go running back to daddy. She always does>>: Not in Batman Beyond, where Ras used her body as a host for his mind so he could keep living. <>: Depends on what Luthor was after. I'm sure if it was just a simple competiton there wouldn't be a problem. <<We'll need to get rid of all the hicks, red necks, Klan members, Kennedys and Steven Spielberg before we're the most enlightened nation on Earth>>: And Barbara Streisand. <>: I plan to own homes in LA and Aspen...before I conquer the planet. <<You are of course right.>>: In light of recent events, that may not be the right sentence. <<There are no stupid questions, just stupid people>>: It is SO true. <<he posted the question right after it happened>>: Still... <<isn't it weird that the three of us who post in Bright Red fit this description perfectly?>>: I think we talked about this already during the color testing survey. <<That's the guy I was cloned from you're talking about there>>: Well I'm glad I wasn't. <<I'm modelling my villainous career after those of David Xanatos, Thailog, Ra's al Ghul, Sauron, Megatron, Madoc Morfryn and Lucifer Morningstar>>: You forgot Demona.

Cyberklaw: <<Humanity as a whole, good or bad?>>: Bad, except for the hot chicks. <<What came first, the chicken or the egg?>>: SJ, because he really doesn't care about the chick coming. <<Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?>>: Because geeks are defined to be the sort of people who like sci-fi.

Lady Mystic: <<Thanks Imzadi for informing me of the typo>>: My pleasure, I'm a nitpicker. And thanks for making my profile.

Fire Storm: <<How did you guess>>: Well, the only other way you could be that bored is if you were an engineering major. <<you SHOULD be able to use your webspace for profit>>: Your campus-given free webspace? No you shouldn't. <>: I too, use the fsck command ;-) <<It was a good show!>>: Not as good as Darkwing Duck. <<THAT would be order>>: Trust me, if Microsoft ran everything, it would be chaos. Your hard drive would have more viruses than the clinic that gives out free condoms. <<From the mouth of babes>>: oh, I am SO not gonna finish that line... 8-)

Fleur: <<did anybody else notice that FS and Yooper posted at exactly the same time at the start of this week?>>: I try not to pay attention to such minute things. <>: That's why I'm taking over the WHOLE world. <<it'll just have to be something I'm aware of, rather than something that'll cripple me>>: How about just using it as an excuse not to help friends move. <<kept you up four hours later>>: Nah. I have fast fingers. Chicks dig 'em. <<then I realised who I was talking to>>: Yes, I am a pig. <<don't you start getting sematical with me too! :) But what would you prefer?>>: There's a BIG stretch between "I may have gotten a girl pregnant" and "I have a girlfriend". <<I'm beginning to suspect it's _you_>>: Gee, ya THINK!? <<Are you sure you don't send them insane?>>: Well, the truth is that the insane ones gravitate toward me, and I spit them back out more f*cked up than ever. But the few normal girls that I've liked have come out unscathed 8-) And then there's the debate about what a girl does because she thinks she's in love or something like that. I can't control that psychoticness, and I certainly don't try to promote it. <<If so, kudos>>: Wait, kudos if I make them insane? <<Bite your lip>>: No way! That hurts. <<Only if you've got a supercharged golf buggy I can drive around>>: Around my apartment? No. Not enough room. <<Is that right or healthy?>>: Yes and yes. <<Cats are dangerous adversaries, you know>>: That's why I have 2. <<Of course it's cruel, but then>>...no one cares 8-) <<don't just put SJ in that box>>: SJ should not be put in ANY box (wink wink). <<you're still using a fake name>>: So are you. <<that's extremely difficult to repair>>: I'm sure that everyone in here has trust issues and Doug didn't affect that much. <<It takes a lot to make me hold a grudge, but when I do, it lasts>>: hehe me too. <<Who makes a better villian - a guy with a goatee and a ponytail or a bald guy?>>: Tough call. Depends on the hero, really. <<Josh just had a heart attack>>: No, it was a stroke.

In view of the fact that God limited the intelligence of man, is seems unfair that He did not also limit his stupidity.
-Konrad Adenauer

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 03:01:59 AM
IP: 64.170.154.141

Answers:
1)<Humanity as a whole, good or bad?> The nature of man is to do evil.

2)<What came first, the chicken or the egg?>The chicken, of course. My account of the creation does not mention eggs being created, only animals.

Today is an interesting day. The would-be high point of the day directly preceeded the low point of the day. More about it tomorrow; let's just say I'm stranded.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:21:10 PM
IP: 204.94.193.64

Warpmind- Uhm... an 26 episode anime DVD boxed set should NEVER cost over 200 bucks. Slayers (great series, my fave ever) costs about 130 per boxed set. Lodoss War costs similar. Trigun, having been released by Pioneer, who charages a bit more, charges about 200, but you can find the Trigun boxed set for 160$ at
www.animecastle.com
Shipping will probably be expensive to where you live, but dude, 600$ is waaaaaay out of the question, even for a series as cool as Trigun. (Which I have all of.) SHop around online, (animcastle is generally about as cheap as it gets) before spending a ton at your store.
RObby
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:31:22 PM
IP: 172.158.156.157

Hey, did anybody else notice that FS and Yooper posted at exactly the same time at the start of this week? I mean, down to the second... does that mean you guys tied for third place?

Gunjack> >Whether the Taliban were really in charge in Afghanistan is irrelevent. Delegitimizing them makes it considerably easier to invade their sandy hindquarters without being an "agressor" in the eyes of the international community.< Ah, so it's a red-tape loophole. Thanks for the explanation. I still don't understand how a group of nations can just wake up one morning and decide that another guy is no longer in charge, like primary school kids deciding somebody 'isn't my friend anymore' because they didn't sit next to them in class, but I guess that's just one of the little joys of diplomacy. >Since we delegitimized them, they can't claim status as POWs. Pretty elegent, really...< What would be really elegant would be if that extends to individuals as well as government... I mean, could your average schlep in... well, anywhere, decide to 'delegitimize' his own government? Go out and break any law he wanted, then say he could because he doesn't consider the government that made those laws viable?

Lain> >the taliban isnt a country. neither is al qaeda.i think there were something like TWO countries who ever recognized that the taliban were a legitimate governing body. the united states was not one of them. (i think they were pakistan and.. iran maybe?) anyway NOT the united states, thats for sure. so they cant very well go back on that just cos its convenient.< The US never said they were the government? After S11, maybe, but not long before that the Taliban were recognised as government enough for the US to give them $50 billion for their assistance in the 'war on drugs' (a fact that almost makes me hate my ability to see irony, because there's just too much of it in there, and none of it's funny). >not quite.. because dubya is the recognized leader of a recognized country which happens to have a military force.. unlike the unrecognized taliban leadership which has a devoted following of a lot of guys with guns..< So it's all a matter of recognition. >because the taliban isnt and wasnt a recognized government.. (again with the political semantics..)< Are those political semantics really beginning to $hit anybody else? ;) >my point with this little history, is to point out WHY the taliban is a social movement that took power, rather than a recognized government.< But didn't every government start out as a social movement? Australia has two major political party, Labor and Liberal. Each of them started as a social movement, based on the 'beliefs' of the lower class and the upper class respectively, and each has been considered legitimate goverment for oh, almost as long as the convicts have been around. America has the Republicans and the Democrats, the English have the Tories and something else, I think (sorry, I've had a brain fart), in fact, you'd be hard pressed to find any government party that _didn't_ start as a social movement. I know, it's just those sematics of the recognition again, but you see my point, right? >not that *I*ve heard. they've sent a bunch of people down there to find out.. though they havent sent any reports back, so far. (that ive heard, at any rate). so the answer to your question is: the jurys still out. im sure youll hear about it when the results come in.. :P< So all this is about is the 'are they or aren't they' question, that's all. >i hope that helped? maybe? kindasortaish? well.. points for effort, at least?< Yeah, it's helped a lot. Thanks. ;) Oh, none of my replies were arguments, or personal, or anything. I guess I've just been well trained to question everything, to look for the weak spots, like a good little scientist (you should _see_ me and my fellow scientists-in-training in a 'discussion'. We're like rabid hyenas coming across a flock of deer with broken legs).

Josh> >Recovered from your back injury, then?< Yeah, mostly. Though all the moving boxes and stuff wasn't appreciated. :) I'm at the stage I'm going to be for the rest of my life, and it's fine. I think it'll just have to be something I'm aware of, rather than something that'll cripple me, like so many people (mostly melodramatic relatives) have been implying ;). >Awww, nuts. That would only have made my post 3 times longer ;-)< And kept you up four hours later. :) >What a punk. How dare he.< Her mother never let her forget it. >I'm sure he'll see the humor in that.Well, in all fairness, it was my fault.< Not entirely. >Well, there is abstinence...but you can guess with me that it's not really an option ;-)< *l* I was going to suggest that, actually, then I realised who I was talking to. ;) >It hasn't. And when did I say anything about a girlfriend?< Now don't you start getting sematical with me too! :) But what would you prefer? >She's starting shortly. The irony is that she already HAS it, has been looking into it for a while, but she hasn't been able to start yet for, uh, technical reasons.< Ah, gotcha. >While you're at it, you'd better suggest that I don't judge all females on ALL my ex's behaviors.< Josh, I'm beginning to suspect it's _you_. Are you sure you don't send them insane? If so, kudos. ;) >I'll reserve comments.< Bite your lip... >Ooh we should hire you to clean our apartment! We've got dust bunnies just slightly smaller, and it might seem like a vacation!< Only if you've got a supercharged golf buggy I can drive around. :) >Sounds like a deal to me!< It was very, very fun, even if the popcorn/drinks stuff was _outside_ the theatre (what kind of stupid idea is that? Oh wait... the kind that means they save on popcorn and softdrinks). >Finally took down that horrifying wallpaper, I see. Looks great! And you linked to me! Sweet!< Thanks!

Gside> >Condolences about the dog.< Thanks.

Shadowrider> >Welcome back! I'm sorry to hear about your dog...condolences< Thanks.

Just a general question for everybody: I'm grieving for my dog almost as much as I grieved for my Grandmother. Is that right or healthy?

Ravyn> >Thank you to everyone who sent get-well wishes for my wisdom teeth surgery ... actually, it all seems to have gone very well!!! The swelling has gone *way* down (I don't look like a chipmunk any more!), and I'm healing up just fine. And ... I actually ate *pizza* last night!!! Mmm ... soon I'll be completely back to normal. Yay!< Whoo! Congrats!

Sarge> Happy belated birthday!

David G.> >I'm alsy trying to reclaim my hall bathroom from the cat >Welcome back.< Thank you! >The reason why she bought strawberries in the first place is because she receieved a fondue set for Christmas< Mmmh, fondue...

Stephen R Sobotka Jr> My sympathies on your romance problems. *hugs*

Doug> >You're Mr. I'm-So-Confident, Everything-I-Do-Is-Perfect, I-am-perfect-even-when-I-make-up -an-imaginary-girlfriend-cause-it's-just-to-spite-and-laugh-
at-someone-else.< He wasn't the only one laughing. I just about burst something. What part of 'we were laughing at YOU?' do you not understand? Of course it's cruel, but then, some people would consider, say, lying to them for three years pretty damn cruel too. >My-Opinions-Are-Perfect, Only-They-Count. I-Can-Do-No-Wrong. I-Am-God-Wannabe.< Hey, don't just put SJ in that box. If not believing a single word you say, or giving any credibility to your victim mentality is a requirement, I willingly volunteer for that title, too. >And as for things changing, at least I can change and improve myself.< Yet you're still using a fake name, still trying to pretend you didn't do a thing wrong and still refuse to admit just how much damage you've done. Your 'improvement' is a matter of opinion. >Call me what you will, I am still me, and still grinning!!!< So, while you were Lurking did you happen to notice what your actions caused? Did you see how badly you destroyed the trust of everybody in here? How suddenly, all newbcomers were examined with a fine tooth comb, every IP checked, every story greeted with suspicion? Say what you will about everybody else, Doug, but at the end of the day, even the largest grudge-matches in this CR have only damaged our sense of community, and that's relatively easy to repair. But you, single handedly, and without any apparent remorse, have destroyed the TRUST of the CR, and that's extremely difficult to repair. Do you grin when you look in the mirror, Doug? >Hey, it's not like I'm wanting it. You keep heaping it on me.< You want it to stop? Two words will help: 'I'm sorry', followed by a proper explanation of WHAT you lied about and WHY you did it. Until then, expect lots of uncomfortable questions. It takes a lot to make me hold a grudge, but when I do, it lasts.

Luther vs. Xanatos> Yes, let us answer the eternal question! Who makes a better villian - a guy with a goatee and a ponytail or a bald guy? ;)

Greg> Your brother will figure your father out eventually, I hope.

Shinigami> >With my Aaron? Not bloody likely.>I'm about as happy as a necrophiliac in a morgue< LOL!! Now _there's_ a comment I want to use myself. ;) >With all this in mind, I suddenly understand that, all else being equal, Microsoft might actually be divinely favoured... < And Josh just had a heart attack.. :)

Naimhgold> >Aww, thanks. I'm sorry about yours, as well. :: hugs ::< *hugs back* >Yeah, randomness! Bananas!< Tofu! Pink Elephants! >Err...anyways, don't worry about consistency. If I don't post for longer than two weeks, I don't make replies ;) Preen away, that's high praise! Congrats!!

Okay, gotta go now!

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:26:04 PM
IP: 203.25.148.62

Just watched W's State of the Union address. Very eloquent, probably the best speech he's given yet. 75 standing ovations in less than an hour, very nice. He's done very well fighting this war so far, and I look forward to seeing how he continues it, since it is far from over. I may not agree with some of his domestic politics, but Shrubby (that's my mom's pet name for him) here has got my vote in the 2004 election, and I'm a Democrat.

Speaking of the Democrats, they had a great response to Bush's speech also, you can really see the bi-partisanship here. Let's hope this keeps up, cause I feel that it is partisan-politics which are a major source of problems in this country. Keeps things from getting done.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:21:53 PM
IP: 216.179.3.152

I just watched Buffy (actually, about an hour ago, but then I had to go to the store). The episode had good character development, if not a really gripping story.

I had one thought while watching the "next time" bit though. Haven't we already done the "Buffy feels guilty after she kills a human" bit? Twice?

Maybe Buffy can confess and get sent to the same jail where Faith is, then we can do a season of "Slayers in Prison" episodes. That'd be fun. :P
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:07:32 PM
IP: 64.48.221.186

Hi! A quick one...

Niamhgold:> I tried to send you the song, but it bounced back. Could you try and check mex availabile size of your email? File is about 4 MB of size.
<<Thank you! I'll need it, a lot, unfortunately>> Not good...but I think you will do it!
<<I'm glad. It's a BEAUTIFUL movie, artistically in the least. >> Actuallym the only fault I found in the movie is the fact I'll have to wait for one year to see the sequel, and two years to see the conclusion. Ok, I've read the book so I know how will finish, but it is unnerving the same.
<<Good luck!>> I'll need it...thank you!

Doug:> I tried to email an MP3 to you as well, but it bounced. Again, file size is about 4MB...could you check your email max size?
<<Thanks for your welcome and support. >> No need of thanking me.:)
<<Condolences on the bad romance experience. >> Again, no need...it was so long ago. And, after all, it was HER loss, isn't it? ;)
<<We liked those Monica Belluci scenes too but preferred the Mani vs. Bandits at the beginning.>> Loved them too. Good mix of techniques by Mani.

Spacebabie:> <<Wear garlic around your neck and always have a cross on hand. >> Garlic? It would kill my already not that great social life...and about the cross...ehm, does it work for a non believer as well? I think I'd rather prefer a good wood pole...or a silver knife.

See everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 07:51:09 PM
IP: 213.213.103.100

Spacebabie: <What Parakeet? I never promised to take care of a parakeet and I never had a bird in the house>
'Twas only an attempt at humor.

Winterwolf: <Well then how about adding cute fuzzy Chinchillas to the mix?>
Hmm... OK! I can see that!

Gside: <He'd proabably disagree, but you would probably be able to convince him otherwise. >
Just give him a small car and 15 other clowns to fit into it!
<Then everyone else would also be able to, then the servers would get bogged down, then they'd increase tuition to meet demand, and the state just cut 5% of our budget. >
SUCKS! Well, you should at least be able to download as much as you want between the hours of midnight and 6am.

Imzadi: <You must be at work>
How did you guess?

True. But you SHOULD be able to use your webspace for profit.
<Wanna know how many times I've re-installed OS X? None>
Yeah, but I f$ck with my stuff, PLUS I blew up a hard drive Monday, so that REALLY sucked.
<All Tail Spin references are obscure. Even toon disney doesn't show it>
And that REALLY sucks! It was a good show!
<Send it to vietnam>
Only if they send me Vietnamese women! ;)

Warpmind: <Microsoft might actually be divinely favoured>
How? Microsoft seems to desire order! They don't want other 'chaotic,' just their system. THAT would be order.

Niamhgold: <True. And, you know, I've worked with Apple platforms and I swear, I wouldn't use them because of the OS>
From the mouth of babes!
Fire Storm
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 07:37:39 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

1) Neither -- Each person has the opportunity to choose if they will be good or bad.

2) The egg of course -- Reptiles were laying eggs long before chickens were a dream.

3) Because anything that draws a disproportionate number of intelligent people is considered geeky by default.

silvadel
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 07:10:41 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Bragging time ...

The Feb. 2002 issue of "Science Fiction Chronicle" includes a review of The Book of All Flesh, and my story's mentioned:
"The bright spot in the collection is Christine Morgan's hilariously funny 'Dawn of the Living-Impaired,' which play satirizes the whole zombie shtick very skillfully ... <snip> ... Pick it up for the Morgan story. It's a real winner."

::preen::

GL > glad you're enjoying the book!

Revel > true, good point about Amazon. Thanks.

Stephen > very sorry to hear your news. I'm sure the right lady is still out there somewhere.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 07:06:32 PM
IP: 64.24.35.43

<<1. Humanity as a whole, good or bad?>>
Evil with the opportunity to be good which comes form doing good, an opprotunity which is always passed up for greed (for any particular thing that is grounded or abstract [money, revenge, etc.]), selfishness; or an opprotunity that is given way for anger or hatred.
metaldemon
Notned
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 06:13:42 PM
IP: 129.120.86.161

***** TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATES *****

The week of January 19th-27th has been added to the 2002 archive.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2002/01-27-2002.html

A typo was corrected on the Member Profile submission form. (Thanks Imzadi for informing me of the typo. :) )

Again, before submitting your profile entry, please read and follow the guidelines page and the directions stated within the submission form. And please understand, due to various factors, everyone isn't eligible for this service. If you are turned down now, you may be eligible at a later time.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/guidelines.html

Sample profiles were revised with new categories to match the previously updated submission form. Slight changes were made to the navigation on each profile page as well.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/

In my last update announcement, the URL to the Member Calendars section was incorrect. I apologize for this. Here is the correct URL:

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/calendar/

(Again, thanks Imzadi for informing me of the incorrect URL.)

The CR Timeline has been updated. Links to the top of the page were added throughout the events list and the January 26, 2002 entry is now linked to the appropriate archived week rather than to the 2002 archive index.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/timeline.html

***** END TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATES *****
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 05:40:37 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

1. Humanity as a whole, good or bad?
No.

2. What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Chicken, but it may have been in its egg state. There's no ultimate difference between a chicken and an egg. It's all a matter of time.

3. Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?
Because geeks like it, and normal people don't. Being a geek, I like to assume that it's because mundanes lack the capacity for understanding SF. Then again, I lack the capacity for spontaniously bursting into flames, and I consider myself better off than people who have that capacity, so I can't really judge the benifit.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 05:24:31 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Hmm

<<1. Humanity as a whole, good or bad?>>

Bad, definetly bad.

<<2. What came first, the chicken or the egg?>>

The single celled organism.

<<3. Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?>>

Cause the majority are retards
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 05:15:25 PM
IP: 216.179.3.152

Searching for something to talk about I thought I'd make a pathetic stab at getting some new debates going. And yes, I do know these are pathetic, so don't bother pointing it out.

1. Humanity as a whole, good or bad?

2. What came first, the chicken or the egg?

3. Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?

There. Feel free to debate these or ignore them as you see fit.

Hmm.... Here's an idea. What would make a good topic for debate? Now there's something to talk about...

That's all from me.
Cyberklaw
London, UK
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 05:09:12 PM
IP: 152.163.197.193

** Niamhgold enters **

It's 75 degrees in Baltimore, at the end of January. This time last year I was bundled up in the warmest clothes, with the wind and rain _still_ managing to seep through to my skin. I could get used to this! :)

Well, as promised, I'm back to post. A lot to do this week (and, luckily, a lot that's been done). We've started this business thing off on the right foot, and I'm setting up a bunch of appointments to talk with the Dean of Academic Affairs and other department heads within the next few weeks. Other than that, school work, Brotherhood of the Wolf this weekend, slides and scholarships and internships, and so forth.

I'm slightly intimidated by the demo reel that my friend Jay has come up with--in taking only TWO 3d classes, he's managed to make a four-minute reel that demonstrates character animation, scene setup, lighting, atmosphere, texture, movement and the all-important walk cycle, music, talking, and pretty much demonstration of every corner of 3d Studio Max and AutoCAD. I'm scared, because I barely know enough 3d to get by. And this is my competition? :: shudders ::

Replies!:

Jan: :: Blushes :: Aw, thanks. But, seriously, I'm just a plain thing. I go to a school where my peers attract men in hordes (and, the occassional woman ;)). <... nothing like waiting until the last moments to get it done ;D> That's got to be exciting ;)

Doug: Welcome back! <Must go watch Dr. No on ABC now. Later everyone> Dr. No, you too? Point. I really love that ABC's doing that now ;) BTW: Anyone interested in the Golden Globes and upcoming Oscars should know that there's going to be a cool short animation nominated. It's basically a funny/sadistic thing about the afterlife. I hope they show it in full! ;)

FS: <Few people are with Windows because they like it> True. And, you know, I've worked with Apple platforms and I swear, I wouldn't use them because of the OS. Sure, it's nice in its ways...just like Maya is nice in _it's_ own way, but I'll still use 3d Max because that's what I use now, what I'm used to, what I prefer. And like how 3d Max can change skins to have a Maya interface, Windows XP can change skins to be like OS ;)
Of course, I'm not running out and installing XP yet, either ;)

Fleur: Aww, thanks. I'm sorry about yours, as well. :: hugs :: <Just do me a favour and don't judge all females on your ex-girlfriend's behaviour> That's a good point. But it seems that he's neurotic enough to do it, despite fair warning ;) <I'll just make random comments to annoy everybody> Yeah, randomness! Bananas! Err...anyways, don't worry about consistency. If I don't post for longer than two weeks, I don't make replies ;)

Imzadi: <<<guys really only have the option of a condom when it comes to contraception>>: Well, there is abstinence...but you can guess with me that it's not really an option ;-)> Der, the male pill. <The irony is that she already HAS it, has been looking into it for a while, but she hasn't been able to start yet for, uh, technical reasons> Experiencing technical difficulties? ;) <Who said anything about having a girlfriend?> That's twice in one post...defensive? Yes, thankfully. <But then again, we don't have any recruitment problems> LOL, that's true...Berkeley's listed _everywhere_. <It doesn't even hurt the first time> Depends on how slowly I do it. <Yeah but looking at you I'd guess you were a 3 ounce baby> The funny thing is, I was a chubby pre-adolescent. <Oh that would have been special...> Hey, I just offer the facts. Curses! ;P <I'll kill them all> That's where that phone-zapping mechanism comes in...finished that yet? Oh, wait, maybe I shouldn't ask. You may try and test it out on ME. <Cool. How much?> Experience. And some cash. Depending on the evaluation at the end of six months. <I've never heard of a mac with that problem> My turn to sigh. That's because they just have DIFFERENT problems ;) <The new G4 towers have 800, 933, and dual-1GHz configurations. The last one is really important, breaking the really-stupid-yet-critical-for-marketing GHz barrier> Last I checked, _Pentium_ had a 2.2 chip. <...and they just started shipping TODAY. That's one every TWELVE SECONDS since they were announced. That's freakin' amazing> Why's that amazing? It just shows that there are a lot of foolish, teenage-mindset people around who are dazzled by packaging. How many of these people are the ones who _haven't_ been brainwashed by Apple, and know what's on the inside? <You email me> Can I _please_ ask which picture was sent? ;) <My whole life, as soon as possible. Yes, it is a race, and if I finish first I win and YOU don't> LOL! Well, I'm three hours ahead of you. Better catch up ;)

Gside: <To truly experience engineering, you must at least attempt statics> I've heard that in statics, you need to cryogenically freeze yourself in order to sit still during the length of that course. <Don't know, I'm usually sleeping in the back seat> You need to be using the backseat for something else...

SJ: <*begin dirty SJ mode* So, um....how do I find a pic of Miss Niamgold? ;) *end dirty SJ mode....as if it ever really ends...* > Heh. Well, against my better judgement, you can also click my name for the proper link, or go to http://www.geocities.com/fluff_astrid/images. <And I'm utterly pissed that he's back on American soil, OUTSIDE of a body bag> Did you hear about the women who was charging money so that people could camp out on her lawn and take pictures of him outside of the courthouse? Now THAT's making a profit! ;) <Miss Niamgold, care to explain why you went all the way over to L.A. to visit Josh?> To see Adobe at MacExpo and maybe check out LA ;) Don't let him gloat too much. Where're you from, anyhow? <seeing her picture, I AM jealous.> Bah. And thanks...I think?

Shadowrider: <you know, since I am shy for nature, I really thought I had said something wrong.> Not at all...you were really charming, actually. And you didn't harrass me, like some others ;) I may disagree with you about the quality of my looks, but they were still nicely appreciated ;) :: hugs :: <but good luck for your internship search> Thank you! I'll need it, a lot, unfortunately. <Well, well...I enjoyed it a lot. Very well-done.> I'm glad. It's a BEAUTIFUL movie, artistically in the least. <So, I had to prepare the exam in four days...still don't know how it went. And now I have other four finals, all in the coming week> Aack! Good luck!

Spacebabie: <For some reason it makes my lungs stronger> Yeah, endurance training. I walk everywhere in the city (but that's also because I hate parking in Baltimore ;)). It's actually better for your lungs if you walk when it's colder outside than when it's warmer, because of humidity.

Winterwolf: Hey, huggles you guys. <Mmm 3D rendering and such. I'm jealous now and Dreamie probably is too. ;)> It's kind of p!ssing me off, until last night when I managed to reconstruct my world map as a globe. Yay. Do you have experience in this stuff? Cuz I may be asking for advice ;)

Stephen: Aww, :: HUGS :: <But, you know... I'm beginning to wonder if I'm ever going to have someone I can call 'wife' or even 'companion'> You will, don't worry. You may already have one and don't even know it. All these experiences of yours...they'll add up to a whole lot. And this will just make things all the sweeter when you have this woman. But, as it lasts (and I know it's not easy to consider), enjoy the single life as it is! Use all the extra time to save up for a long, long trip someplace far away. You may never be able to do something like that, guiltlessly, if you say had a wife and kids. And maybe those are the ways you'll find an SO. In any case, don't give up, but don't despair about your position. The single life is pretty interesting ;)

Adios

Niamhgold
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 04:50:31 PM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Here's a simple solution to the whole Superman/Clark Kent thing: There's something in Metropolas' drinking water that makes everybody there a retard.

SJ> <<Luthor has Talia working for HIM, so who got the better of whom>> Oh c'mon, this obviously won't last. Sooner or later Talia will go running back to daddy. She always does. <<I�d say they�re probably pretty even as far as mental / physical abilities are concerned, but Luthor gets the edge because, deep down, Xanatos has a soft side, while Luthor is just a sadistic bastard who revels in the torment of others. In the end, that evil streak beats out Xanatos� qualities of mercy.>> Yes, Xanatos does have a soft side... to his son, wife and father. But I doubt he'd show Luthor any mercy.

JOSH> <<Supposedly, its because we're supposed to be the most enlightened nation on Earth.>> Nah, we haven't nailed that yet. We're the richest and most powerful, sure. We'll need to get rid of all the hicks, red necks, Klan members, Kennedys and Steven Spielberg before we're the most enlightened nation on Earth. <> Same here, I could never live any where besides NYC or LA, and I plan to one day own homes in both. <> You are of course right. <<what? Its a question about WTC. Just because its posted by an asshole doesn't make it a bad question>> There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. Though in this case I thought the timing was really bad also, he posted the question right after it happened. <<<My-Opinions-Are-Perfect, Only-They-Count. I-Can-Do-No-Wrong. I-Am-God-Wannabe>>: Sadly, that position is taken. By me.>> No this position is taken by me. Hmm, isn't it weird that the three of us who post in Bright Red fit this description perfectly?

WARPY> <<Which, if you take the Bible at face value, means that God, in effect, is Chaos personified, and Lucifer actually represents Order!>> But Lucifer is the fun one! Chaos tends to be much more fun than order, so this logic is faulty.

GL/DOUG/WHOEVER> I'll make fun of any state I want, including my two favorites (New York and California). Two of my best friends are from Texas and I doubt they care if I make fun of it, Hell they're free to make fun of New York all they want, I don't care. <<Especially since I don't find your Aaron attractive in the least.>> That's the guy I was cloned from you're talking about there.

SPACEBABIE> <<Looks like it will be my CHILDREN who shall take over the reign�>> As I said, I'm planning to be immortal. I'm modelling my villainous career after those of David Xanatos, Thailog, Ra's al Ghul, Sauron, Megatron, Madoc Morfryn and Lucifer Morningstar
Greg Bishansky
New York, New York, The Great Satan
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 03:31:46 PM
IP: 216.179.6.202

Todd Jensen
<<Of course, I've heard it said that the real reason why nobody ever figures out that Clark Kent and Superman are the same guy is that Clark Kent's persona is that of such a hopeless Casper Milquetoast that nobody in Metropolis could ever take seriously the notion of he being able to leap over tall buildings in a single bound.>>

That's really not the case anymore. The comics nowadays interpret Clark as being just an average guy, not a wimp.

Though on the issue of secret identity, after the "Return of Superman" storyline I think they were streching crediblity pretty thin when Clark suddenly shows back up with long hair just like Superman. I know they had the shapechanging Supergirl pretend to be Superman so it could appear that Clark had suddenly appeared out of the rubble from Doomsday's rampage. Still, the sheer amount of coincidence around those two ought to make those investigative reporters he's around all the time to start questioning things...

Skippy Tthe Klingon
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 02:38:44 PM
IP: 209.245.243.64

Well they repaired the roof or nearly repaired it so it doesn't look like it will fall on our heads anytime soon.

I'm curious what happens if a black cat walks under a ladder?

Good Boston Public last night.

We rented Moulin Rouge on DVD the other night. What kind of drugs where they doing when they made this film. The camerashots made me dizy. Damn Ewan Mcgregor looks good with dark hair...Damn! He can show me his light saber and use the force on me anytime.

Replies

Stephan>>>HUG I�m sorry to hear about the break up.

GL>>> Hey Thanks I needed the laugh.

GXB<<<Josh is a fellow non-breeder. No kids coming from him>>>Looks like it will be my CHILDREN who shall take over the reign�

SargeAbernathy<<<cute. . . nice play on words.>>>Thanks. Call me the caramel expert.

Rayvn>>> Sorry to hear about the british girl. Not all people from there are rude..Ed and Cyberclaw are examples of decent folk form there.

Gside<<<Which I why we wanted t make sure there was nothing there.>>>She could have been stuffing.

Josh<<<Another virus made it around today, something about checking out cool party pics.>>>You can also catch a virus by being at certain parties.<<<Tell her to get a patent, quick!>>>Okay, but I�m sure the French have been doing it that way for years.<<>>Yes it was doing that and when I plugged a phone in I heard snap crackle and pop along with the dial tone.<<>>What about pajamas during pajama day of Spirit Week?<<<Three guesses. >>>I don�t think I want to know.

Shadowrider<<<He has eventually a very creepy way to talk you while looking above your left shoulder�>>>Wear garlic around your neck and always have a cross on hand.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:46:51 AM
IP: 67.25.50.167

Congrats to warpmind...

silvadel
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:11:24 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Everyone: Call me what you will, I am still me, and still grinning!!!

Ravyn: You're welcome. <reads Brit post> If I was in your neck of the woods, I know a girl who'd be getting a pie in the face. :)

Mara: Right, not likely at all. Especially since I don't find your Aaron attractive in the least. You are quite welcome to him. <grin>

SJ: <Luthor bit> Thanks for the No Man's Land reminder, I hope that Bats is gonna do something even better in the upcoming sequel to The Dark Knight Strikes Again. He's already done so many cool things to Superman. <Batman voice> "I'm done talking. Get out of my cave." :)
<funny joke> I thought it was funny too, until you revealed why you did it. Then it wasn't funny. To quote Dave Bozwell, at least my girlfriend was real. (You can believe or disbelieve that as you will, we don't care. But I'm still saying it.) <Keep coming back for more> Hey, it's not like I'm wanting it. You keep heaping it on me. Keep it up, and one of these days you are going to get yours. Maybe not from me, but I wager I'm not the only victim of your stupid self-absorption. One of the others could be closer, and a lot meaner. <brief moment of silent prayer> <I'm even more of a smartass> I've noticed that. I've also noticed you used to be a really creative smartass. Nowadays you just make tired old arguments and quote bad movies. Just my opinion, make of it what you will. I'm not intending to flame, and hope you won't continue this.

Josh: Kit and I knew it was a joke too. But we were willing to humor SJ's apparent delusion. Congrats on getting to meet Niamhgold, I am so jealous. <someone gives him a red-eyed glare> <steers and queers> Once again, I am not a queer. The last guy who called me one got rather severely injured- This is not a threat, just a fact. I respectfully ask you to stop insulting Texans. I have nothing against you, I'm sure you're probably joking, but I don't like it. I'm sure many other Texans in here don't either. Stop now, please. You don't have to apologize, just stop. <Ruling Texas> Hey, can't we even be your pal's deputies? There are more oil fields in America than just Texas, and a lot more in America than just oil fields. Wouldn't want your friend to get overworked. <You won't even be able to get out of the country> Who says we'd need to? We can fight a pretty good guerilla war in America. In fact I'd prefer to fight here over anywhere else. <grin>

Shadowrider: <waves> Thanks for your welcome and support. We liked those Monica Belluci scenes too but preferred the Mani vs. Bandits at the beginning. Kick Some Ass!!! :) Condolences on the bad romance experience. Your first time is almost never the greatest. Glad you enjoyed Lord of the Rings.

Later all! <jets out>
GLs
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:41:03 AM
IP: 67.25.133.247

**********Reply to Theological controversy *************
Bwahahaha!!! This is fun!
<< In almost every major religion, it is described how some-or-other force of Order created the world from Void, and the forces of Chaos are constantly trying to gain control... The theologies behind this are elaborate, well devised... and, close as I can figure, quite a bit backwards. I hereby present my points:>>
Mmmmm......In Judeo-Chrstian-Islamic thought, G-d CREATED order out of the Void. The world was once chaotic, but that chaos was created in order to pave the way for order
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<<a) The world was made from void, a.k.a. nothingness. How can there be chaos in nothingness? Ergo, the world was made by adding a chaotic element to an orderly nothing.>>
Well, here's the first problem: you've already mixed up the void and nothingness. The void is the thing through whihch all matter passes; the thing that allows man to move freely from atoms, since atoms pass through the void. think of it like putting your hands together, then quickly seperating them; the air that rushes between them would be like th void. This is all according to Lucretius.
Nothingness is exactly what it sounds like: nothing. I am already erring since I brought nothingness into being by giving it an "is." But I'll do it anyways. The totality of non-being makes up the nothing. Nihilism, the slipping away of the totality of being, leads to this. The Void and the Nothing are completley differant things. I may have fudged up th nothing a little; it's been a good while since I read Heidegger.
Plus, you gave an adjective to the nothing. an't do that. The nothing is neither chaos nor order: it is nothing.

<<b) Life is, by default, chaotic. If not, there would be no evolution, no mutations, and at the mere hint of a subtle change in the environment, life as we know it would become extinct.>>
Aristotle says, in his Physics, that things don't happen out of chance, but out of pure necessity. An animal doesn't happen to eat, or, by pure chance, kill an animal. the animal is killed out of necessity; it breeds out of necessity and it evolves out necessity in order to survive. Darwin makes some since, but not enough; Arisotle acually thought out his science.

<<c) Order takes effort. Chaos comes naturally.>>
ERRR!!! Hunter-gather man groups happened naturally.

<<d) Humans. 'Nuff said.>>
LOL!

<<e) Look at various acts of God, as seen in the bible. The destruction of Sodom, the fall of Jericho, the seven plagues of Egypt, etc... does that seem like Order to you?>>
Could be G-d was trying to keep order. The poeple in Sodom were quite a...riotus group. And how about the Laws he handed down to Moses; seems like God was trying to keep order.

<<In conclusion, I've come to this, uh, conclusion: The universe, and all in it, was created through forces of Chaos, and Order is perpetually trying to influence Existence.>>
Once chaos is done being chaos, it becomes order. In all reality, the two intertwine periodically. you can't have chaos without order, and you can' t have order wihtout chaos to teach you what order is.

<< Which, if you take the Bible at face value, means that God, in effect, is Chaos personified, and Lucifer actually represents Order! >>
Riiiiiiiiiiiight..... ;)

<<Slight boggle* With all this in mind, I suddenly understand that, all else being equal, Microsoft might actually be divinely favoured...>>
Curses! no one is supposed to know that!!
**END THEOLOGICAL CONTROVERSY**

<<That being said, I'm probably due to receive something unpleasant from the Vatican... �� >>
You and me both! 8P
......Damn I love Metaphysics.
metaldemon
Not ned
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 09:48:16 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

I haven't used Rory in a while. I think he's getting lonely.

In Defense of Lex Luthor:
There are several reasons Luthor might not have figured out Superman's secret identity. Try these on for size-

Super Hypnotisim: I'm not making this up. Some of the older comics say that Supes uses his various nifty vision powers to constantly mess with the minds of anybody who sees both him and Clark Kent on a regular basis. Thus, people like Luthor and Lois Lane might intellectualy know that both Clark and Supes are 6' white guys with blue eyes and black hair, but their mental images are different enough that they never make the connection.

Hubris: Lex could just be too egotistical to believe that Superman could be anybody weaker than he is. He holds Clark in contempt, and thus eliminates Clark from consideration.

"What Secret Identity?": Considering the fact that he uses super-speed to move around the world almost instantly, a lot of people might not even think that Superman has a "secret identity." If you were super-strong, invulnerable, and could fly, why would you bother going to work?

Irrelivence: This one's unlikely, but I'll list it anyway. It's somewhat related to Hubris. Lex may just not care who Superman "really" is. I've always seen Lex as a sort of dark version of Batman. He's just a normal guy with no special powers, but he takes on the very gods. Deep in Lex's twisted little psyche, he may think that if he beats Superman through his secret identity that the victory will be cheapened. He wants to beet SUPERMAN, not just some guy.

Genre Convention: This is the real reason. One of the conventions of the superhero comic book genre is that a costume can really effectively conceal your identity.

Marvel took a shot at this back in their New Universe once when Starbrand went to a comic book convention in full costume. He got into a conversation with a comic writer who basically told him he was being stupid. His costume was a black and white bodysuit with just eye-holes, and he thought that would hide his identity. The comic writer told him someone could still tell how tall he was, that he was white, and what color his eyes were. If someone really wanted to kill him, all they'd have to do is hack the DMV and start killing people who matched that description. They'd get to him eventually.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 09:23:13 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

I'd assumed myself that the reason for Greg not yet having reached the questions linking to September 11 was the fact that the weekend was about to take place by the time that he got to them, rather than anything about his delaying because of the topic. But that is an interesting thought. We'll just have to wait and see.

Of course, the other reason why Bruce Wayne doesn't have a hostile takeover of Lex Luthor's company is that it's not good etiquette to bring down somebody else's super-villain. :) {As in, how would Batman like it if Superman showed up in Gotham City and foiled the Joker's latest scheme before Batman could get there? :) ).

Of course, I've heard it said that the real reason why nobody ever figures out that Clark Kent and Superman are the same guy is that Clark Kent's persona is that of such a hopeless Casper Milquetoast that nobody in Metropolis could ever take seriously the notion of he being able to leap over tall buildings in a single bound.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 08:16:24 AM
IP: 63.183.39.216

** Niamhgold enters **

You know, I really DID want to make a post this morning, but two obstacles got in my way: (1) It's MORNING, and (2) It's later in the morning than I should've have gotten up. In any case, longer post after class, with this real quick reply.

Shadowrider: Welcome back! Yeah, I remember the song...send it along! :) :: hugs ::

All right, that'll hold me over for now. Adios!
Niamhgold
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 07:56:59 AM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Hi everyone, people! Ok, I know...it is been a week and more since the last time I've been here. I didn't intend to stay away for so long, even with finals I was thinking to post something Saturday or so...what I couldn't know at the time was that my Fluids exam, supposed to be Monday, was going to be swapped with Structures...supposed to be the 9th of Friday. And they said to me Wednesday, just because I asked, cause if I hadn't, I was probably going to find out at the exam itself. So, I had to prepare the exam in four days...still don't know how it went. And now I have other four finals, all in the coming week. Ahhh...and Politecnico is supposed to be the place where *engineers* are prepared? <shakes head>
Anyway, yesterday after the exam I and some friends decided to celebrate the outcome (however will be by going to see Lord of the Rings. Yes...finally, it's out even in this forsaken by the gods country of mine (it's out since last week, if you want to know). Well, well...I enjoyed it a lot. Very well-done. Of course, some parts differ from the book, but I can see why they modified it. And I appreciate that the role of Arwen has been expanded.

Oh, well, up to replies...

Josh:> <girlfriend(s)> Aw, creepy...luckily, nothing like that ever happened to me (yet). Nah, actually the worst thing I ever experienced was when I cut off with a girl I was with (she was cute, but I couldn't bear her "I am the most beautiful creature of this planet" attitude for a second more...and she eventually wanted me to "stop seeing those losers friends of yours" and go around more with her "stink under the nose" company...) and she started saying everyone who cared listening for her I was homosexual. You know, if anyone would do such a thing right now, I would care little or nothing...but at the time I was 14, and in full hormone storm, and I was very proud of my...how to say..."virility"...so that thing really struck me. And there was that other thing...ah, never mind. Now, I am not going to judge the behaviour of any of the persons involved, since I know not enough of the whole mess...just, I think you have no real guilt in this. You did what you could to avoid troubles, unless total deprivation of sex or vasectomy.
<Skyray> Hey, no need to thank me...the model really looks great. I appreciate a lot the care you put in the details...a pity that the picture didn't allow to appreciate them completely...couldn't you add some pics of the details? The cockpit, for example? And eventually the care you put in painting it...something I always found the most boring part. <<It means a lot coming from an artist AND an aeronautics engineer. Two people who appreciate form AND function. >> Hm...well, I think I must tell you...my opinion is biased, cause I personally consider fighter jets as some of the most beautifully designed objects that man ever created. It is shape totally focused on a purpose...if you get what I am saying. Nothing useless in a fighter jet, nothing decorative...everything has at least one use. (With this I mean no judgement about the purpose those jets are created for).
<<I'm sure that I'm not telling you any more than that >> Ok, I won't ask...;)
<<Meanwhile, my programmer friends, who write buggy code, think that everything they make is the greatest thing since water. >> True...but, this pride of theirs is their weak point...it is surprisingly easy to have them work for you, and for free, if you can bait them...<maliciously grins>
<<About her being cute? Hell, I told her that a while ago, and she still came to visit me >> Yeah, but even the way you tell a girl she's cute is important...you know it, right? Anyway, since it seems she was not really offenced...never mind.

What leads me to my next reply.

Niamhgold:> Hi my friend! Well, glad to see you wasn't offenced at my comments...you know, since I am shy for nature, I really thought I had said something wrong. Oh, well, anyway...
By the way, I forgot to mention that previously, but good luck for your internship search!
<<How are finals coming for you? Stressed? >> Ah, you cannot know...just read above for some details
<<Just don't go any more insane on us. >> Oh...ehm...well, ok...
I'll try and email you later today...I have a song to make you hear, you remember?

Winterwolf:> <<**Winterwolf freezes the fluids** There that should make things easier. ;) >> To some extent, my friend. To some extent...;)

Spacebabie:> <<Josh took that. He said the class was full of jokes.>> Actually, mine is dynamics 'II'...anyway, my class was not full of jokes. Actually, we have a prof that looks like he crawls out of a crypt every morning to make lesson, and returns there at evening. He has eventually a very creepy way to talk you while looking above your left shoulder...

Jan:> Good to see you into here again! I'll try to send you a email later today.

Doug:> As usual, it is good to see you here, although rare. <<Saw Brotherhood of the Wolf four nights ago. >> I've seen it some time ago. Very nice movie, some good action scenes. Anyway, I personally think that the best parts were those scenes with Monica Bellucci in the brothel...;)
<<You're Mr. I'm-So-Confident, Everything-I-Do-Is-Perfect, I-am-perfect-even-when-I-make-up -an-imaginary-girlfriend-cause-it's-just-to-spite-and-laugh-
at-someone-else. My-Opinions-Are-Perfect, Only-They-Count. I-Can-Do-No-Wrong. I-Am-God-Wannabe. You know what? Sometimes I really pity you. >> <grins> You know, sometimes predictability is very funny.
<<Good to know I'm still welcome here, if I ever was. >> As far as I am concerned, you ARE, and you will continue to be. Is that clear?

Fleur:> Welcome back! I'm sorry to hear about your dog...condolences.

Warpmind:> <Theological controversy> Good points. Actually, they're some of the doubts I have myself, some of the doubts that caused me to detach from Catholicism, and that deny me the confortation of a religion. As for answers...well, I am sorry I have none. Questions is all I have right now.

Ok, I think it is all for now...if I forgot somebody, I apologize. See everyone as possible!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 07:15:35 AM
IP: 213.213.18.147

It's been in the 50s and 60s up here in Ohio the past few days... I was even told our high temperature of 63 here Sunday topped the high in Los Angeles. I'm so happy... finally I can put down this aerosol can. The global warming has kicked in! ;)

Various comments...

Mara > Is your hotmail addy still working? I've mailed you three times now since the beginning of December and I still haven't heard back from you.

Josh > As soon as they produce a Mac that can run the vast collection of PC software I already own, I'll consider getting one.

SJ > Looks like I'm back to being in agreement with you... but don't worry... I'm sure it won't last long. ;)

Silvadel > You have a fetish for 17 and 23?

Ravyn > The girl is there just to live in the dorm and hang out, like a vacation? Weird. I always thought some studying was implied in the term "foreign exchange STUDENT".
Lex Luthor vs. David Xanatos > Xanatos, because he has the patience to make sure his weapons are tested before deploying them, and he isn't crippled with lowered self esteem due to the early onset of male pattern baldness. ;)
:: off to work ::
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 06:59:38 AM
IP: 66.72.193.129

*Warpmind stumbles in, looking slightly uneasy.*
Ugh... Had a ham, cheese, tomato, pickle, onion and egg sandwhich before bedtime... Never again; it affected my dreams. Mark my words: Takahashi Rumiko meets Neil Gaiman is NOT a comforting sight. (And before you ask, no, I didn't drink yesterday, so alcohol is not to blame for it.) Aanyway, a bit of bright news - I got word that my check was *processed* yesterday... so it might be registered with my account already today. Or tomorrow, maybe. :) I'm about as happy as a necrophiliac in a morgue. };)

Fire Storm: *Kerblinkity* Poodle pudding? Uh, how the heck did you find out my LAN password??? (Better change it to prunestew or something equally improbable now, since it is known...)

Winterwolf: Thanks for the sympathy.

Silvadel: Oh, let the fnords get some rest, willya? ;)

Gside: Yeah, yeah, but Trigun on 8 DVDs for 600$ is rather fair, for a boxed set, don'cha think? (At least considering 23% sales tax... or is it 24% these days? I lose track...) And... well... DivX... Slayers? Sore wa himitsu desu? *Whimpers at the still-empty bank account* Um, gimme a little time to assemble my resources, huh? ��

Josh: Was the bartender cute? *Ponder* No, not really... "Cute" doesn't really suffice to describe her. Technically, of course, the term will do, for want of a better definition, but I don't think it does her justice... *Smirk*

Oh, and a religious bit of enlightenment that occured to me recently...
**WARNING: THEOLOGICAL CONTROVERSY**
In almost every major religion, it is described how some-or-other force of Order created the world from Void, and the forces of Chaos are constantly trying to gain control... The theologies behind this are elaborate, well devised... and, close as I can figure, quite a bit backwards. I hereby present my points:
a) The world was made from void, a.k.a. nothingness. How can there be chaos in nothingness? Ergo, the world was made by adding a chaotic element to an orderly nothing.
b) Life is, by default, chaotic. If not, there would be no evolution, no mutations, and at the mere hint of a subtle change in the environment, life as we know it would become extinct.
c) Order takes effort. Chaos comes naturally.
d) Humans. 'Nuff said.
e) Look at various acts of God, as seen in the bible. The destruction of Sodom, the fall of Jericho, the seven plagues of Egypt, etc... does that seem like Order to you?
In conclusion, I've come to this, uh, conclusion: The universe, and all in it, was created through forces of Chaos, and Order is perpetually trying to influence Existence. Which, if you take the Bible at face value, means that God, in effect, is Chaos personified, and Lucifer actually represents Order! *Slight boggle* With all this in mind, I suddenly understand that, all else being equal, Microsoft might actually be divinely favoured...
**END THEOLOGICAL CONTROVERSY**
That being said, I'm probably due to receive something unpleasant from the Vatican... ��

Oh, well, I should get back to... stuff. Cheerio, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 04:26:02 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

Well, today's the day I've been expecting for nearly 2 weeks: my computer is no longer the fastest mac on the planet.

It's the second fastest.

Apple unveiled new Power macs to silence the morons who actually thought Apple would let the iMac cannibalize sales of their tower JUST because the both had 700 and 800 MHz processors. The new G4 towers have 800, 933, and dual-1GHz configurations. The last one is really important, breaking the really-stupid-yet-critical-for-marketing GHz barrier. They've also removed the option to add additional radeon 32MB PCI graphics cards (they all ship with an AGP graphics card), lowering the maximum cost of a G4 tower to just over 10k (with a cinema display). They start at 1599.

Also debuting today is the GeForce4 (in the new power macs). The card in the G4 supports dual displays and has 64 megs of RAM. Personally, I don't think this is such a big deal, but then again I'm not an art guy (you can tell because I don't drive a volkswagen).

In other news, Apple has already sold 150,000 iMacs since they were announced at MacWorld...and they just started shipping TODAY. That's one every TWELVE SECONDS since they were announced. That's freakin' amazing.

Today was really nice, I only had a couple hours of class. My morning lecture and then my afternoon lab was cut short. My geotech professor is really cool. He's very funny, sarcastic, pessimistic. He talks about how every type of soil is bad to build on, why water is smarter than people, why people are freakin' morons, and why god hates engineers. This class may be the thing I've been looking for in Civil Engineering, something actually sparks my interest. Being in a major for nearly 3 years and not finding anything you like to do can be very draining.

Another virus made it around today, something about checking out cool party pics. I'm glad I have a mac.

replies

Warpmind: <<It is now almost six weeks since I last got money, and I should have received this month's check last week>>: Yell at someone! <>: LOL I disagree. <<So I casually replied "Why not? Never had one of those..." leaving her momentarily puzzled... Ambiguity is fun, no?>>: Was she cute? <<The lottery ticket didn't come through; only two correct numbers>>: Hey, that's not bad! <<As for Hamlet, well... it's the Scottish Play that is reputedly haunted, not Hamlet>>: Ack! You're right, of course. My bad. <<maybe I'll just play Minesweeper a bit>>: The only thing Windows ever did correctly...thankfully its on Mac.

Fire Storm: <<Bored now>>: You must be at work. <<you should be able to use as much as you want!>>: I agree, but you should not be allowed to turn your machine into a server. That's not what the university is for. <<I've re-installed my operating system a few times since then>>: Wanna know how many times I've re-installed OS X? None. <<Obscure Tail Spin reference>>: All Tail Spin references are obscure. Even toon disney doesn't show it. <>: Send it to vietnam.

David G: <<managed to get out of the store with the money instead of more books>>: I don't know that joy. I spent all the money right bacck. <<I'm slowly getting her to switch to a covered litter box>>: There was an article in Maxim a few months ago about how to train your cat to use the toilet.

Spacebabie: <<Mom invented silver dollar french toast>>: Tell her to get a patent, quick! <<Apples are not good in chocolate wich is why I'm confused that Apple has Cocoa programming??? Shouldn't it be caramel programming?>>: No, because the Apples are *in* cocoa. Hell, finder itself is a powerplant application. Cocoa is just a set of programming tools. <<there was something screwy with the computers phone line>>: I hate when that happens. Keep getting dc'd left and right. <<You mean you have been naked at school in real life?>>: I knew someone would bring that up. No, I haven't. <>: Three guesses. <<Okay I understan now but you also confused yourself�I mean Josh>>: Speak for yourself. I wasn't confused.

Greg X: <<why should we have to coddle them>>: Supposedly, its because we're supposed to be the most enlightened nation on Earth. <>: I'm glad I'm your friend then. <<I'd definetly nominate Ra's al Ghul for it. He figured out Batman's identity by determining that the Batman would have to be wealthy to be able to afford all those gadgets, did some digging around into suspects' pasts till he got to Bruce Wayne and was able to go from there>>: I agree. And he didn't need to pay anyone to do it, either. <<until he gets kicked out of office for receiving blow jobs from her in the Oval Office>>: Then Superman would kick his ass too. <<Lois would later explain to Superman that Luthor was forcing her to do this, even though she was attracted to his money and power, and Superman would believe her, but being the boy scout that he is would let Luthor go scott free. Hmmm, no wonder they'll never pay me to write Superman>>: LOL! <<Sorry to hear about what happened with your ex>>: Thanks. No worries. <<Glad to see you would be willing to do that>>: I hate to say this, but what else could I have done? Skipped town? Yeah, right. Not me. I'd just go right back to LA. <>: Exactly. Looking at the computer I'm typing this on and thinking that I wouldn't be able to buy a new one every year if I had a freakin' kid. <>: So far so good, right? <<On neither a physical or mental level>>: Only goliath can stand up to the exo-suit 8-) <>: I don't think that's your call to make. If your father is a dick, then your brother will figure it out in due time. And he WON"T resent you for it ;-) <<Greg is just busy these days>>: Isn't he still unemployed? <<by far a very insipid one, especially considering when it was asked, but given who it was that posted it, I'm not surprised at all>>: what? Its a question about WTC. Just because its posted by an asshole doesn't make it a bad question.

Winterwolf: <<So far at least it looks like it will be less expensive than NY. YAY>>: Few things are better than cheap insurance. <<I'm in love with a college woman myself>>: Six months ago that wasn't true 8-)

Revel: <<It may have to go to *Gasp* Josh's kids>>: It can't. They don't (and won't) exist. Not only that, but it would be foolish. Much better to just pass it on to me.

Stephen: Sorry about your girl troubles, believe me I know where you're coming from. Fortunately, I'm only 20, so I'm not concerned with the "maybe I'll never get married" thing. Don't worry about it. It will happen when its good for all parties involved. Including you. <<we started to cuddle in the driveway>>: Ack! You couldn't get sex BEFORE you broke up?! Bummer!

Cyberklaw: <<some people say we Brits have no taste>>: I only think you have bad food and worse weather.

Grinning Lurker: <<I-am-perfect-even-when-I-make-up -an-imaginary-girlfriend-cause-it's-just-to-spite-and-laugh-
at-someone-else>>: He didn't make up an imaginary girlfriend! Even *I* realized right away (as in, the first time she was mentioned) that it was a joke. <<My-Opinions-Are-Perfect, Only-They-Count. I-Can-Do-No-Wrong. I-Am-God-Wannabe>>: Sadly, that position is taken. By me. <<my honey and I want to be joint governors of Texas>>: Texas!? Only steers and queers from Texas, and you sure don't look like a steer to me! Nah, seriously though, you can't have it because I already gave the US to my best friend and he's not stupid enough to hand over the oil fields. You can take it up with him, though. I'm sure numerous sexual favors from attractive (tangible) females and lots of money will be required. <<you're going to have two very dangerous enemies>>: ::yawn:: Don't threaten me. You won't even be able to get out of the country.

Todd: <<Xanatos would certainly not have dismissed his scientists' concerns like that>>: That is very true. At least not if he were flying it himself. If he had a different test pilot it might be another story. <<Xanatos is in a more commanding position when dealing with Goliath than Luthor is when dealing with Superman>>: Which I guess makes the Gargoyles much cooler heroes.

DPH: <>: You mean its not built into your operating system!? Sheesh, Windows. <<when it is all said and done, industrial might makes right>>: As if there was any doubt. <<How does that help? I have to think ahead>>: I think we could have guessed that from the previous two sentences. <>: Probably not, but I think that's true of anyone in any class. Classes aren't important enough. Now, if you were a regular at AA or something, people would notice/care if you were gone. <<You can't take over the world unless you understand your opposition>>: He'll learn. Or get his ass kicked. <<Do you have an online collection of your quotes that you use in the CR?>>: No. I have been considering it. In fact, I'd want to include a script that would allow people to sumbit new ones. But then I'm subjecting people to my quotes.

Sarge: <<the Hewlett Packer's looked nice>>: How can you say that?! MAC. iBOOK. End of discussion. Go buy it. <<LOL I didn't mean that>>: Where is FS with his lisp...

Ravyn: <<that new British girl that moved into our hallway? She's the girl from *Hell.*>>: Aren't they all? <<no, she's not particularly cute.>> bummer. <<She has an English friend that's kinda cute, though>>: Male or female? <<is she a pain in the you-know-where>>: Kneecap? <<The second was calling all American men ugly>>: Oh the joke is SO on her. Americans are MUCH better looking that Brits. In fact, I'd say the only countries that produce better looking people than this one are in Scandanavia. <<she thought it was portraying typical American life seriously>>: You think those movies don't exist IRL, but I did grow up in "Clueless". <<a male RA from the 4th floor walked down and wrote them up>>: Ah, I know the feeling of satisfaction when the RA puts loud kids in their place.

Silvadel: <<Nothing to do with prime numbers>>: I don't have the time or the inclination to guess. <<We have like no chance of getting through to them>>: We should give up trying and kill them all.

Skippy: <<why Batman never tried to arrange a hostile takeover of Luthor's business empire. Seems like Bruce Wayne could benefit from the corporate increase and eliminate the biggest threat to Superman. Which would be beneficial to the world>>: I think the real problem is that it would make sense, which we can't have in a comic book world. Now, that doesn't mean that Luthor won't try a corporate takeover of Wayne Enterprises...

Shinigami: <<With my Aaron? Not bloody likely>>: Greedy, aren't we?

Gside: <<So much easier than putting glue on your face and usint it to mop up a barber shop floor>>: I don't want to know. <<Why, no, I have never done that>>: Why would I even ask such a thing? <<So you're saying I should just give up?>>: I'm faster and have more resources at my disposal. You haven't a chance. <<Better than anything actually getting all the way inside>>: True. <>: Bah. Its all about honey. <<Such a waste of a good ogling>>: Well, there's always gathering. <<Who's ever heard of miniature giant space chinchillas>>: Winterwolf, apparently. <<piecemeal is the way to go>>: Yeah, if you're trying to build a bomb. I'd rather have a warranty on my computer. Go Apple!

Sevarius Jr: <<They want us to be the Great Satan? Might as well give them good reason to>>: I like that philosophy, but unfortunately there are too many "good" people running the country. <<They want us to help them, protect them, give them aid, etc., then after we do that, they give us the finger and call us �The Great Satan>>: And in the great words of someone brilliant, "No good deed goes unpunished". <<Wannabe? I believe Alec Baldwin said it best: �I AM God.�>>: Sorry, that seat is taken. By me. <<I�ve become even more of a smartass>>: Don't be rediculous. <<Some people don�t seem to appreciate it, but I see it as an improvement.>>: It would be if it happened. But you're just as much of a dick as the day I met you (that's a compliment, btw). The first post of yours that I read...I've never laughed so hard at something online. <<After seeing her picture, I AM jealous>>: And I don't think that's a good picture, either. She's much better looking in person. <<Miss Niamgold, care to explain why you went all the way over to L.A. to visit Josh?>>: As if she needs an excuse! Hey, it's me ;-) <<You don�t see people calling that sweet old lady an idiot>>: I'll do it: she's an idiot. <<Supes has to take time out of his day to continually rescue those two human targets>>: Must be embarrassing to be them. <<deep down, Xanatos has a soft side, while Luthor is just a sadistic bastard who revels in the torment of others. In the end, that evil streak beats out Xanatos� qualities of mercy>>: I disagree. If we're talking straight boardroom politics, I'd hand it to Xanatos. Being a sadistic bastard doesn't help there. Same with battlesuits, that's all skill. <<Bats found out, lured Luthor into a trap, then told Luthor in no uncertain terms that if he ever tried to do something stupid like that again, he�d rip him a new a-hole>>: With the bat-a-hole-ripper! That's the third pocket on the left in the utility belt, right?

Okay, I've finished some work. It's time to crash. Have that !@#$ing 8AM class tomorrow.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
-Douglas Adams, "Last Chance To See"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 02:27:23 AM
IP: 64.160.47.185

You are correct -- There is nothing we can do when the school books read -- If a holy warrior fires an ak-47 gun and the bullet leaves the muzzle at 200 feet per second at an american soldier who is 800 feet away; how many seconds does it take before the infidel is plugged between the eyes.

That is how their school textbooks are written. From Kindergarten on they are taught about guns, and to hate americans, and that their holy warriors are invincible and the chosen.

We have like no chance of getting through to them.

silvadel
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 01:54:30 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

The detainees / p.o.w.s / �unlawful combatants�: Here�s the thing that really pisses me off about the situation.
We got a guy, a Wall Street Journal reporter named Daniel Pearl, being held captive somewhere in Pakistan by a radical Islamic group. He�s being treated with the worst of conditions, and they�ve sent out a whole bunch of photos of him bound and with a gun tied to his head. It�s likely that he won�t be making it out of that country. And who�s welfare are we more concerned with? The few dozen sand monkeys down in Cuba. THIS is what pisses me off. �Oh, they may be treating them badly.� Look at me cry a river. If it was up to me, I�d impale them, Vlad Tepes style, and then eat lunch underneath their rotting remains. Then take a picture of me smiling below their twisted corpses, and send that out to every filthy country over there in the Middle East to let them know exactly what kind of a wackjob I was. They want us to be the Great Satan? Might as well give them good reason to.

But speaking of the Great Satan business�.it�s really a hopeless cause. That�s part of why I hate it when people from other countries go, �If you want us to like you more, change your policies!� Because it really won�t change anything. Take Somalia for example. I saw this on Brokaw earlier tonight. They were over in Somalia, that god-forsaken wastehole, and the people there are living in the worst of poverty. They also talk about how much they want us Americans to come back to their country, and help them rebuild. Then the film crew sets up a special screening, for the people of Somalia, of the new film Black Hawk Down (which as you know, takes place in Somalia). Guess which parts the Somali cheered at? WHEN THE AMERICANS WERE DYING. It�s a lost cause. It�s also representative of about a thousand other countries out there. They want us to help them, protect them, give them aid, etc., then after we do that, they give us the finger and call us �The Great Satan�. That�s how it is. After we clean up Afghanistan, and set up their new government all nice, I give that country a year, MAYBE, before they�re actively (and by that, I mean doing it openly, not trying to hide their actions) trying to kill us again. But we�ll continue with this little dance, helping those who seek to destroy us, because regardless of our vilification, we�re a good people, of a great nation. We�re so good, some of us even feel compassion for those animals down in Cuba.

The Doug / Lisa Amalgamation: <<You're Mr. I'm-So-Confident, Everything-I-Do-Is-Perfect, I-am-perfect-even-when-I-make-up -an-imaginary-girlfriend-cause-it's-just-to-spite-and-laugh-at-someone-else.>> I thought it was a funny joke myself. Others agreed with me. << My-Opinions-Are-Perfect, Only-They-Count. I-Can-Do-No-Wrong. I-Am-God-Wannabe.>> Wannabe? I believe Alec Baldwin said it best: �I AM God.� << You know what? Sometimes I really pity you.>> That�s amusing, considering the source. I�d pity you, but you keep coming back for more. <<And as for things changing, at least I can change and improve myself. You don't seem to have that ability.>> I have changed. I�ve become even more of a smartass. Some people don�t seem to appreciate it, but I see it as an improvement. <<Good to know I'm still welcome here, if I ever was.>> That�s the REALLY sad thing about you, Doug, and I�m not joking around either. You were welcome here, once, up until the point where your bullshit got so ridiculous that many of us couldn�t humor it anymore.

Cyberklaw: You are VERY much frightening me into thinking that this is the end of Farscape. But that isn�t the case, because they�ve been renewed for TWO more seasons! Although I�m beginning to worry that half the cast won�t make it that long�.

Josh: <<You email me. Then be jealous, because she came to visit ME, in LOS ANGELES, and not YOU, over on her side of the country.>> After seeing her picture, I AM jealous.

Miss Niamgold, care to explain why you went all the way over to L.A. to visit Josh? ;)

Luthor vs. Xanatos: Boy, is Luthor not getting much love here. Don�t blame Lex for not knowing about Supes being Clark Kent, blame a few decades of muddled continuity. Hell, over in the Spider-Man comics (Amazing Spider-Man, written by JMS!), Peter�s Aunt May JUST learned that he was Spider-Man. (She had learned before, but she died, then it was revealed that the Aunt May who died was actually just a construct and not the original�..see how f-ed up this gets?) You don�t see people calling that sweet old lady an idiot. Luther is a brilliant villain in his own right (even if there are others, Ghul perhaps, who are brighter�.but then again, Luthor has Talia working for HIM, so who got the better of whom?), he�s just given the task of being the main foil for a GOD. That�s why I�ve never been able to get really into Superman � the stories can be fun for what they�re worth, but ultimately there�s only like 2 things in the entire universe that can harm Superman at all, so it kind of kills things for me. So Luthor is stuck having to pick on people like Lois Lane, or Jimmy Olsen, and THAT gets really tired, really quick, because with an entire world to protect, Supes has to take time out of his day to continually rescue those two human targets.
But if you�re comparing Luthor vs. Xanatos in a fight of some sort (man on man, in battle suits, in the board room, etc.), than I give Luthor the fight. I�d say they�re probably pretty even as far as mental / physical abilities are concerned, but Luthor gets the edge because, deep down, Xanatos has a soft side, while Luthor is just a sadistic bastard who revels in the torment of others. In the end, that evil streak beats out Xanatos� qualities of mercy.

Skippy: Bats has never really cared a great deal for his own business, or at least that�s how he�s been written. Besides, if I�m not mistaken, Wayne is about level with Luthor in terms of wealth, so I don�t really know if either would have the funds to buy the other out without putting their entire fortune on the line.
He did find the time to royally screw over Luthor, though. After the Cataclysm earthquake which destroyed Gotham and made it a No Man�s Land, Luthor hired Bane to destroy all of the records as to who owned what land in Gotham, with the plans that Luthor himself would be the new purchaser / owner of virtually every inch of Gotham�s reconstructed landscape. Bats found out, lured Luthor into a trap, then told Luthor in no uncertain terms that if he ever tried to do something stupid like that again, he�d rip him a new a-hole. Luthor wasn�t pleased, but he couldn�t do jack.

"Don't ever underestimate the psycho factor in my head."
---Greg "Opie" Hughes

Sevarius "EXPLODAHHH!!!" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 01:26:27 AM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Imzadi> <<The nice thing is that when you meet a girl that doesn't, it can easily be removed or altered>>: So much easier than putting glue on your face and usint it to mop a barber shop floor. Why, no, I have never done that.
<<"And then there was a whole mess of nothing." Better?>>: Slightly.
<<Sweet. And she looks good in a bikini too>>: Just in bailey.
<<As if you could beat me>>: So you're saying I should just give up?
<>: Better than anything actually getting all the way inside.

Warpmind> <<Trigun... the boxed DVD set. I WANT MY MONEY DANG-NABIT!!! (It's at roughly 600$ - a quite reasonable price, I'd say>>: I got the first two seasons of Slayes (26 eps each) for $130 each. And you could always pay me some more money for mostly divx versions.
<<Ambiguity is fun, no?>>: It is almost my way of life.
Fire Storm> <<That clown ain't putting it to good use!>>: He'd proabably disagree, but you would probably be able to convince him otherwise.
<<the university has this massive T3 pipe and you should be able to use as much as you want!>>: Then everyone else would also be able to, then the servers would get bogged down, then they'd increase tuition to meet demand, and the state just cut 5% of our budget.

Spacebabie> <<Apple has Cocoa programming??? Shouldn't it be caramel programming?>>: I prefer candied.
<<Luckly no one paid any attention to me>>: Such a waste of a good ogling.
<<You are aware that Shiek is Zelda in disguise>>: Which I why we wanted t make sure there was nothing there.

Winterwolf> <<Well then how about adding cute fuzzy Chinchillas to the mix?>>: That's just silly. Who's ever heard of miniature giant space chinchillas.

Sarge> <>: Feh. I'm telling you piecemeal is the way to go.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:42:22 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Doug:: <You like sex with Aaron too?> No, sex in the shower. <eye roll>

With my Aaron? Not bloody likely.
Shinigami
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:25:05 AM
IP: 172.138.111.63

Greg Bishanski:<<LEX LUTHOR/SUPERMAN's IDENTITY> As far as villains go, I give Lex Luthor an F. He never impressed. I've heard people refer to him as the smartest villain in the DC Universe, and a master criminal. But Luthor is an idiot, no way does he deserve that title. I'm not sure who I'd give it to, but I'd definetly nominate Ra's al Ghul for it. He figured out Batman's identity by determining that the Batman would have to be wealthy to be able to afford all those gadgets, did some digging around into suspects' pasts till he got to Bruce Wayne and was able to go from there. If Ra's really wanted to, I bet he'd figure out who Superman was right away.>>

Well, by comparisson, figuring out Batman's identity would be a little trickier than Supes. But it does show greater smarts on Ra's part that he cold figure it out. All things considered Superman has never been that smart. He's always depended on his powers to see him through and that's his biggest weakness. He really is not far removed from that a big dumb farmboy he started out as. What I've always wondered about is why Batman never tried to arrange a hostile takeover of Luthor's business empire. Seems like Bruce Wayne could benefit from the corporate increase and eliminate the biggest threat to Superman. Which would be beneficial to the world.

<<Hmmm, Did he? I'll admit that I don't read Superman, and only read "The Tower of Babel" JLA arc. But returning to Luthor, one key reason I dislike Superman (aside from finding the character to be dull and uninteresting) is that I feel a hero is only as good as his villain, and Luthor just plain sucks.>>

Yeah, the inception of the character from the beginning limited where they could go with him. He was just too powerful and no one could be a real challenge to him.

<<DPH> <<Dumb question: Now that Lex Luther knows the truth, what's he going to do about it?>> Here's a possible scenario: He'll probably kidnap Lois and just sit on his ass and run the nation until he gets kicked out of office for receiving blow jobs from her in the Oval Office... now that would be intersting ;). Lois would later explain to Superman that Luthor was forcing her to do this, even though she was attracted to his money and power, and Superman would believe her, but being the boy scout that he is would let Luthor go scott free. Hmmm, no wonder they'll never pay me to write Superman ;)

Well, arranging to have someone seudce Lois just to get under Clark's skin might be interesting. Plus doing other things that might make Clark's life difficult would be interesting.
Skippy The Klingon
Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:19:36 AM
IP: 209.245.243.88

DPH> <<Anybody find it strange where Greg Weisman left off answering questions. He knew that question was coming, but apparantly he is working on an answer to it.>> No, Greg is just busy these days. You'll notice he's been going through ASK GREG very slow these days. As for the very next question awaiting him, by far a very insipid one, especially considering when it was asked, but given who it was that posted it, I'm not surprised at all. << One question: Why did the military want to invalidate their amnesty deal for Sheridan's crew?>> Why do you think?
Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 28, 2002 11:03:42 PM
IP: 216.179.3.61

Nothing to do with prime numbers...

17 23 17 23 17 23 17 23....

=)
silvadel
Monday, January 28, 2002 08:51:15 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Well, this just in ... that new British girl that moved into our hallway? She's the girl from *Hell.*

To answer a few questions in here, no, she's not particularly cute. She has an English friend that's kinda cute, though.

But man, is she a pain in the you-know-where. First of all, in the *first hour* she was here, she insulted Americans as a whole 3 times. The first was sort of funny ... the whole "klepto" thing. The second was calling all American men ugly. The third was about how funny she thought the movie "American Pie" was, because she thought it was portraying typical American life seriously, and that we wouldn't think it was funny.

Then, she decides to spend her first night here going out with her British friends to the bars and getting dead drunk. So they come back to the dorm at around 2 in the morning and stand around outside shouting various insults about people they've just met. (Example: she was shouting that our nice RA, Amber, was a c***, so loudly that a male RA from the 4th floor walked down and wrote them up.)

So as soon as they get back inside, they start banging on doors as we're all trying to sleep. First of all, it's not funny to wake up students when we're trying to sleep because we have classes, unlike certain new British residents from Hell who don't have to go to class while they're here. They're basically on an extended field trip in a foreign country, and have taken it upon themselves to annoy the heck out of all the Americans they meet. And as much as I hate to say it, they *do* represent their country while they're here ... a lot of the girls I live with are saying how rude they think all Brits are now because of what they see from these exchange students. I hope I can be proven wrong, but *all* the exchange students being this inconsiderate? I don't know ...

She had all the girls in the hallway so excited about her coming here, and we were so excited to meet her. This is such a big disappointment. All I can say is thank God the exchange program is only 5 weeks long. Send this girl back across the pond ASAP!

GL/Doug> Thank you for the get-well wishes. :)

Stephen> **hugs** I'm so sorry ... let me know if you ever need someone to talk to. :(
Ravyn
Monday, January 28, 2002 08:37:59 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

DPH> Well, sex isn't the only way to get AIDS (though I know it's more likely to happen during sex rather than blood transfusion or any other means). I can recall one instance where a someone got through kissing a another person; the virus was transmitted through a sore in the gums that someone had. I don't know if they were aware that one fo them had AIDS or not, though.
Plus, whenever a new disease (or virus) pops up, it's generally not a good idea to not find a cure, cuz most diseases and viruses are transmitable through other avenues than sex.
metaldemon
denton
Monday, January 28, 2002 08:31:09 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

52# Who hoo!!! ::crickets chirp::

Am I the only on that thinks the news reporter, named Peral, looks like Tim Allen's sibling? It's really freaky. Maybe it's just me.

Anyway I'm doing fine, did my homework. I'm falling back in this long term project and I know it. I feel bad. . . but for jezzum sake! Anthony Trollope's novels get so boring after a while! Sigh..... Anyway I went to check out computers at staples. I didn't like Compaq at all . . . . But the Hewlett Packer's looked nice. . . . ::is being hypnotized as we speak::

Well ,not much else to add. Kudos!

IMZADI>>><<<By posting this in pink, you may have made a statement. >>> LOL I didn't mean that. =). . . .

SPACEBABIE>>><<<Apples are not good in chocolate wich is why I'm confused that Apple has Cocoa programming??? Shouldn't it be caramel programming? >>> cute. . . nice play on words. . . . =)
SargeAbernathy
Monday, January 28, 2002 08:27:19 PM
IP: 64.12.104.46

After being late 1 hour due to my computer clock being off by one hour, I downloaded a time sychronizer. I plan on running the sychronizer every time I go online.

IMzadi - I, also, believe in privacy so I will have to think about. If you don't eat at restaurants a lot, it would be difficult to track what you eat. <You may think I'm a turbo-slut, but most of my friends are 10 times worse.> I could have guessed that; most of the world does not share my point of view on that.

Israel - So when it is all said and done, industrial might makes right.

A friend of mine wants to challenge me to a game of Othello. Last time, I beat the socks off of him, but I need to get my brain back in shape. How? By playing games that force me to think ahead. So, I am re-freshing my brain by playing FreeCell. How does that help? I have to think ahead.

GL - Leaving communities is hard unless you give up the fandom. I had a hard-time leaving bottalk.com until I stopped paying that much attention to the TF fandom. WB. <Good to know I'm still welcome here, if I ever was.> I was sometimes wondered if I skipped classes, some of my classmates would care.

Stephen - my dad mentioned about my brother not having any children of his own unless he had some soon because of his wife's age. Of course, I am talking about potential blood-related nephews and nieces of mine.

Silvadel - What's with the question about Prime Numbers? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31 . . .

Anybody find it strange where Greg Weisman left off answering questions. He knew that question was coming, but apparantly he is working on an answer to it.

Lex Luthor - He must be self-delusional. You can't take over the world unless you understand your opposition.

**BABYLON 5 SPOILERS**
Hmm. I loved Sheridan manipulted Earth's government so that he and the rest of his crew could get off relatively scott-free. One question: Why did the military want to invalidate their amnesty deal for Sheridan's crew?
**END BABYLON 5 SPOILERS**

Imzadi - Do you have an online collection of your quotes that you use in the CR?
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, January 28, 2002 08:14:07 PM
IP: 204.94.193.11

Back...

REVEL> <<but if you do not have kids who will take up the throne of darkness?>> I plan to be immortal. <<It may have to go to *Gasp* Josh's kids.>> Josh is a fellow non-breeder. No kids coming from him

WINTERWOLF> <<GXB> Welcome back Greg!>> Thanks.

TODD> I don't remember who posted that either, but I agree. Luthor is definetly no match for Xanatos. On neither a physical or mental level.

GUNJACK> Gunjack: <<even if every arab nation says that Isreal is a puppet state of the Great Satan, the fact remains that the Great Satan disagrees. And the Great Satan has really *copious* amounts of lethal weapons in a variety of shapes and sizes, not to mention the fact that our indusrial-military complex needs a nice messy war every few years to keep the munitions factories rollin' rollin' ROLLIN">> Okay, now that is funny!

You know, I like that many people think of us as the Great Satan. I'll wear that as a badge of honor. We are the great evil and they are good and pure and rightious... well you know what that means... "Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb!"

And since it's been a while, let me tell you another story about my father. I just learned this the other night...

First some background, for those of you who weren't here, or don't remember, my father is very despicable person. He put my mother and I through many years of abuse, both physical and emotional. He judges people based on how much money they make, for many years he looked down on my uncle (his sister's husband) because he had less than we did. However my uncle saved for a while, while my father blew all our money, and now my uncle is a very succesful man with a multi-million dollar home and my father has nothing, so of course my father now sucks up to him and goes on about what a great person he is... more on this below.

While my parents were still married, my father had an affair with with a Korean woman named Lee. Supposedly the two were very much in love (which was bullshit), during the last few years of my parent's marriage, my father would not go to work (he owned his own jewelery business), but instead spent all our money and savings taking her, skiing, horseback riding, taking trips to the Bahamas. Con-Edison was turning the lights off in our house and he was buying a saddle that cost several thousand dollars. And he owed a few people he dealt with money. One dealer put a warrant out for my father's arrest (cause he owed him several thousand dollars), and while in the car with lee, my father was pulled over for speeding, which happens three times a week (I doubt he's legally allowed to drive, and I'm sure even if he isn't, his insurance is astronomical), and they did a check on him and he got arrested, and Lee (whom he was in love with and was a rich woman) drove off and let him rot. My father called my uncle (whom he looked down on) to come bail him out and my uncle drove all the way from middle New Jersey to northern Westchester to do it.

Now to the real meat of this story, Lee was also divorced, and her ex-husband took their child back to Korea. While he was still together with her, my father wanted to fly to Korea to kidnap this girl and bring her back to New York. My mom managed to talk him out of it, telling him to take care of his own damn kids. My mom told me this (I knew about the rest), and I just burst out laughing. Who does my father think he is? Korea is not the US, if he went there and tried this crap, they'd have killed him. Come to think of it, I wish he did try it just so I wouldn't have had to suffer because of him later.

I just thought this was amusing and would share it. I can't tell my brother about this, because he and my father get along very well, and it upsets him to hear this sort of thing. Though at the same time, I don't think he should be sheltered from the truth of what a piece of crap his father is.

And I'm done... for now
Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 28, 2002 07:49:51 PM
IP: 216.179.3.61

The Luthor conversation here suddenly reminded me of a post that I saw a few years ago in the Station 8 Comment Room; somebody (I forget who) commented that Luthor (at least the Luthor of the WB's Superman animated series) was no match at all for Xanatos. (The poster's point, I recall, was that in one of the Superman episodes, when Luthor was unveiling some new high-tech battle suit, one of his scientists was concernedly pointing out to him that it wasn't quite ready for release yet and could still have a few bugs in it - and it turned out that it did - but Luthor simply ignored him. The poster went on to point out that Xanatos would certainly not have dismissed his scientists' concerns like that).

Of course, Luthor may also seem less impressive than Xanatos in some ways because of two other matters. The first (which applies strictly to the animated version) is the voice casting; the WB animated Luthor was voiced by Clancy "Wolf and Hakon" Brown, who, while he sounds villainous, sounds more brutal and less subtle than Jonathan Frakes' rendition of Xanatos. Also, Luthor has less of an advantage against Superman than Xanatos did against the gargoyles. Superman not only is "ultra-powerful", but also a popular and well-liked super-hero whom everybody in Metropolis recognizes to be on the good guys' side, and so can count on a lot of support; the gargoyles, on the other hand, are perceived by the human public as monsters, are feared and shunned, even hated, and have only a few human allies (the chief of whom, Elisa, has less pull and influence in the human world than Xanatos does), and so are much more vulnerable to attack. Xanatos is in a more commanding position when dealing with Goliath than Luthor is when dealing with Superman.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 28, 2002 06:36:37 PM
IP: 168.191.109.55

SJ: <exgaggerated eye roll> Oh like you've never had to change your opinion. <thinks for a moment> Wait, that's right. You never do. You're Mr. I'm-So-Confident, Everything-I-Do-Is-Perfect, I-am-perfect-even-when-I-make-up -an-imaginary-girlfriend-cause-it's-just-to-spite-and-laugh-
at-someone-else. My-Opinions-Are-Perfect, Only-They-Count. I-Can-Do-No-Wrong. I-Am-God-Wannabe. You know what? Sometimes I really pity you.

BTW, I was not flipflopping on my original opinion, as you so eloquently put it. I was just changing it when I realized it was factually incorrect. What is wrong with that? Take a chill pill, for God's sake. And as for things changing, at least I can change and improve myself. You don't seem to have that ability.

<Doug> Call me what you like, I still know who you're talking to.

Stephen: Sympathies on the Heather situation. May things soon improve for you. I suggest a good venting session to your best friend or friends (other than Heather) about the situation and maybe a nice big bowl of strawberries and ice cream.

Lain: Best of luck with your revenge. :)

Josh: If you take over the world, my honey and I want to be joint governors of Texas. You better give us the post or you're going to have two very dangerous enemies. <maniacal laugh> <You like sex with Aaron too?> No, sex in the shower. <eye roll> <we didn't already know who this was> Hey, I was just giving a onetime enemy of mine a friendly warning. What's wrong with that?

<sighs> Good to know I'm still welcome here, if I ever was. <leaves>
GL
Monday, January 28, 2002 06:07:58 PM
IP: 64.157.89.78

Sorry, but I forgot to include this in my previous post...

Lord of the Rings has received a huge 12 nominations at the BAFTA's (That's the British Academy of Film and Television Awards for those who don't know. Think the English oscars)!

And to think, some people say we Brits have no taste...

Of course, it being a fantasy film, it still remains to be seen if it will win anything beyond the technical catergories...
cyberklaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Monday, January 28, 2002 06:04:19 PM
IP: 205.188.197.24

Yes, it's me again!

And that means it's time for:

FARSCAPE SPOILERS!!! MAJOR (AND I MEAN MAJOR!) SPOILERS AHEAD!!!
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Farscape 3.21 - 'Into The Lion's Den, Part 2 - Wolf in Sheep's Clothing'

Big, big stuff happens here.

Picking up from part 1, all the various tensions and manipulations continue, but the episode mainly concerns Crichton's realisation that the only way he's going to successfully stop Scorpius' wormhole project is to destroy his command carrier, since it is where all the research data is stored. The bulk of the episode plays out with the gang trying to figure ou a way to do this, with some interesting plot twists along the way.

A way is eventually found, but it involves two characters making the ultimate sacrifice. Crais reactivates Talyn, now held in a hangar on the command carrier, and gets him to starburst while still inside. This causes the command carrier to implode in about 30 minutes, giving the crew enough time to abandon ship. Unfortunately, starbursting in such a confined space destroys Talyn and Crais. That's right, at the end of this they are dead.

I really must say the whole sequence with the ship imploding is amazing. It's incredible the level of effects they've managed to pull off on the budget of a TV show.

The whole thing ends with some quiet scenes with the guys back on Moya. And they're all about to go their seperate ways. Rygel is planning to go reclaim his throne. D'Argo has some sort of plans and Chiana is saying she's going to go find the Nebari resistance. There is a sense of finality here, like Farscape is reaching the end of one era and heading into another. I don't know where it's going, but I can't wait to find out...

Well, only the season finale left. My thoughs on thursday...

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END OF FARSCAPE SPOILERS

That's all from me for now...
cyberklaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Monday, January 28, 2002 05:46:17 PM
IP: 205.188.197.24

Well... I'm beginning to believe in karmic balance right about now. You know? When all the good things in your life are countered by a single bad thing, and vice-versa?

Last night, I took Heather out to celebrate my promotion to Sweet Tomatos (a local restaraunt). Afterward, she was dropping me off at my house, and we started to cuddle in the driveway... and that's when she told me she was breaking up our relationship.

Basically, she said she still loved me, but didn't feel "in-love" with me, and wasn't too comfortable with us on a boyfriend/girlfriend level. She said she tried to say something earlier, but she was afraid of causing me hurt, as well as my getting angry at her to the point I wouldn't stay friends with her afterwards. She broke down into tears by then...

Well, I told her then that I couldn't be mad at her. Why should I? She and I never said at the start that we'd be getting married down the road... plus, she's got her appreticeship and It'd be selfish of me to drag her down by drawing a fruitless relationship out in the long run.

I said I'd always be a friend for her, and if she ever needed me, I'd be here. We'd still see each other at the local anime club meetings before she returns to Tennessee at the end of February, and such... so, neither of us wants to cause any flack over this.

<sigh>

But, you know... I'm beginning to wonder if I'm ever going to have someone I can call 'wife' or even 'companion'. I mean, I'm nearly 33 frickin' years old... my twin sister is married and has a daughter after two years of marriage. Nearly all of my cousins and younger relations are all married with kids of their own. Even the friends of my family, and their kids are either married or with children.

Why not me?

I'm feeling so damn old... and I'm not even passed 40 yet.

God, I need to stop... talk to everyone later.

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Monday, January 28, 2002 05:33:26 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

Ah the smell or engine oil and antifreeze, it smells... well lets just leave it at that.
Did a dumb dumb thing yesterday. I went out and began fiddling with the bolts on my car. It vibrates them out sometimes so I like to tighten them. I notice it was leaking coolant a bit, not bad, but enough to annoy me. So I began to tighten thing it would help. Well, went a bit too far on one. Snaped its head clean off. Well many curse words later I got the only one out with vise grips and put some extra silicon sealent around the housing. SO that should do it for now. Now I'm still in my car clothes painting because, well they are already dirty so why not, right?

Greg- but if you do not have kids who will take up the throne of darkness? It may have to go to *Gasp* Josh's kids.

Lain- Ain't revenge grand? ];) Next step, place roach bait things in front of her door only. Then tell her you saw a roach go under her door.

Christine_ you can also buy Silversilk on Amazon, I don't know if it is more or less, but that is what I did.

Winterwolf- I am not looking forward to having to get my own insurance plans, something I will be doing in a year or so. Good luck to you pal.

"Well there is pain then there is man pain. Man pain is usually when you did something stupid."

-Tim Allen, Home Improvement-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, January 28, 2002 05:15:22 PM
IP: 129.120.230.108

out of here
Anonymous
Monday, January 28, 2002 02:31:41 PM
IP: 66.65.110.182

Helo
Lex
Monday, January 28, 2002 02:31:18 PM
IP: 66.65.110.182

Silvadel: prime numbers?
Josh
Monday, January 28, 2002 02:30:49 PM
IP: 64.161.26.149

Surprised nobody figured it out yet.
silvadel
Monday, January 28, 2002 02:19:37 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

**Winterwolf peeks in**

Hi. I'm looking and figuring out which Insurance policy to get on my car now that my current one is set to expire soon. So far at least it looks like it will be less expensive than NY. YAY!

Fire Storm> <not mess with giant space hammers> Well then how about adding cute fuzzy Chinchillas to the mix? :)

Josh> <SJ isn't dating a schoolgirl> Well I'm in love with a college woman myself. ^_^

Niamhgold> <I'm also excited because we're going to additionally be adding SolidWorks to our 3d Studio Max class regimen> Mmm 3D rendering and such. I'm jealous now and Dreamie probably is too. ;)

Lady Mystic> YAY! Having the profiles is a great addition to the CR. I want to thank you for all your hard work. :)

Warpmind> <noodles> Ouch. Good luck getting that missing check soon.

GXB> Welcome back Greg!

Well I'm off for now. Bye bye!

**Winterwolf takes off**

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Monday, January 28, 2002 02:16:41 PM
IP: 172.183.93.61

Been quite busy for the last couple of weeks, had little time to post. But I'm back.

TALIBAN PRISONERS> I personally have no sympathy for any of them, they would not hesitate to torture and kill people on our side they would take as prisoners, why should we have to coddle them? I have no compasion for my enemies.

LEX LUTHOR/SUPERMAN's IDENTITY> As far as villains go, I give Lex Luthor an F. He never impressed. I've heard people refer to him as the smartest villain in the DC Universe, and a master criminal. But Luthor is an idiot, no way does he deserve that title. I'm not sure who I'd give it to, but I'd definetly nominate Ra's al Ghul for it. He figured out Batman's identity by determining that the Batman would have to be wealthy to be able to afford all those gadgets, did some digging around into suspects' pasts till he got to Bruce Wayne and was able to go from there. If Ra's really wanted to, I bet he'd figure out who Superman was right away. Hmmm, Did he? I'll admit that I don't read Superman, and only read "The Tower of Babel" JLA arc. But returning to Luthor, one key reason I dislike Superman (aside from finding the character to be dull and uninteresting) is that I feel a hero is only as good as his villain, and Luthor just plain sucks.

DPH> <<Dumb question: Now that Lex Luther knows the truth, what's he going to do about it?>> Here's a possible scenario: He'll probably kidnap Lois and just sit on his ass and run the nation until he gets kicked out of office for receiving blow jobs from her in the Oval Office... now that would be intersting ;). Lois would later explain to Superman that Luthor was forcing her to do this, even though she was attracted to his money and power, and Superman would believe her, but being the boy scout that he is would let Luthor go scott free. Hmmm, no wonder they'll never pay me to write Superman ;)

JOSH> Sorry to hear about what happened with your ex, at least it doesn't seem to be an issue anymore. Me, if I were ever in that situation and it were real, I'd probably shrug it off and pay for the abortion, it's my responsibility and I'd take care of it. Glad to see you would be willing to do that. But I also agree with others who said it sounds like she exagerrated the situation.

Also, like you I am a non-breeder. I have no desire to ever have kids. I don't want any. I don't care how financially stable I am, I'd rather use that money for things I enjoy but would not be able to do if I had to invest time and money into a child, because if I ever did have one anyway, the last thing I'd want to do is leave any child of mine to be raised by a maid or babysitter.

ACK, I've got to get to my next class, more to say later as I play catch-up.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 28, 2002 01:54:26 PM
IP: 167.206.248.11

Sunday started out good. Mom made breakfast, bacon, slice strawberries and french toast. She used sliced french bread for the french toast and if you seen french bread slices then you know how small they are, so in a way Mom invented silver dollar french toast.

The reason why she bought strawberries in the first place is because she receieved a fondue set for Christmas and everyone knows strawberries are great dipped in chocolate. As well as cherries, and orange slices.
Apples are not good in chocolate wich is why I'm confused that Apple has Cocoa programming??? Shouldn't it be caramel programming?

Well back to the day.
The roof over the porch is about to fall apart.

and there was something screwy with the computers phone line.

Then as I was trying to go to bed at night my dad and my brother got into a verbal fight. My dad was close to throwing his ass out. My brother has a temper problem.

So they are officially not prisioners. Well that still doesn't mean we should coddle them. Just give them food,water, a place to rest, a bathroom and their koran. Treat them like children who are being punished. Don't abuse them, but don't spoil them either.

Now for replies.
Firestorm>>>What Parakeet? I never promised to take care of a parakeet and I never had a bird in the house.

Fleur>>> Welcome back.

Josh<<<My roommate has asthma but always "forgot" his inhaler so he wouldn't have to do Phys Ed.>>>I never did that, of course I didn�t have astma til 1997, but I did find out something. I need to start doing it again. Taking walks. I walk a little distance one week, the next week I walk a little further. For some reason it makes my lungs stronger.<<<I've never been naked in school (in my dreams, anyway).>>>You mean you have been naked at school in real life?<<<OL>>Ol? I know you did something out loud but what?<<<Summary of all males: we spend 9 months trying to get out and the rest of our lives trying to get back in.>>> Makes sense.<<>>Yeah I�m one of them. Both my parents used to smoke, my mother quit and now she is on all kinds of inhalers. My dad NOW smokes pipe tobacco in privacy.<<>>Yeah what Josh said.<<<No, that's just dumb.>>> Well I do call him a dumb ass.

Gside<<<And everyone else could tell? >>> Luckly no one paid any attention to me.<<<After noticing one of the trophies was a Japanese schoolgirl, we proceeded to do upskirts of all the female trophies, as well as checking for a lack of a bulge on Shiek. >>>You are aware that Shiek is Zelda in disguise.

Lain>>>�Blessed are the peacemakers for they are the children of God.� J

SJ>>>Okay I understan now but you also confused yourself�I mean Josh.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl
Monday, January 28, 2002 11:47:04 AM
IP: 67.25.49.83

Hi ya'll.

This weekend was really boring until about 7:00 on sunday. I spent all Saturday and most of Sunday (after church) cleaning up my apartment.

A few fun things happened. I sold a bunch of old magazines to Half Price Books and managed to get out of the store with the money instead of more books. (Of course I only made it as far as the comics/games store where I spent even more money buying new Mage Knight figures...)

I also finally got a paper towel holder for my kitchen. It's really neat. Instead of screws, it has magnets on the back so you can stick it on the fridge.

I'm alsy trying to reclaim my hall bathroom from the cat. I'm slowly getting her to switch to a covered litter box, and trying to find a better place to hold her food and water. If all that works out, then the hall bathroom will be available to people who don't want to walk on gravel just out of the shower. :)

Around 7 Marla came over and we watched Outlaw Star. I'm going to have to buy the third collection pretty soon.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, January 28, 2002 09:14:20 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Bored now.

lain: <sorry about the neenering>
No problem.

Me too...
BUT if I were a gambling man, my money would be on yes, they will.

Gside: <Going to jack Sweettooth's ride?>
That clown ain't putting it to good use!
<Exactly. I have on average about 200 megs a day, which is less than two episodes.>
Sucks. I mean, the university has this massive T3 pipe and you should be able to use as much as you want!
<You know, I seem to remember you downloading a couple divx files from me before. Or I could be halucinating.>
I bet I have, but I've re-installed my operating system a few times since then.
<It probably could, but would you want to eat them?>
Tastes like chicken!

Imzadi: <Sweet>
A Handycam moment.
<Don't bet on it. I've tried the gym thing>
Then the water torture from 'The Seige'
<Huh?>
Obscure Tail Spin reference.
<That's fine, as long as we stay the hell out of it.>
And then one of them sends one our way because we arn't helping.
And then neither country exists after that.

Warpmind: <Dude, I'm not putting poodles out of their misery. I said it was punishment *enough*, not enough to warrant euthanasia>
But I got the grill all fired up! I got BBQ sauce, man, *BBQ* sauce! Sweet AND spicy!
At least let me cook a few, ok? I'll make you Poodle Pudding!

3 for a dollar or 36 for 3 dollars. (They are THAT cheap in bulk.)
Fire torm
Monday, January 28, 2002 05:12:25 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

*Warpmind stumbles in, slightly pale and gaunt.*
Well, my steady income has, due to changes in the payout system, obviously been unduly delayed... It is now almost six weeks since I last got money, and I should have received this month's check last week... I'm tellin' ya, noodles are good. Noodles EVERY DAY because it's the only affordable food is NOT good... *Sigh* I mean, three-packs-for-a-dollar (currency roughly converted) noodles taste about as much as they cost... :p

Anyway, replies...

Christine: Hmmm... Good idea. Without any present cash, it's a moot debate, anyway...

Fire Storm: Dude, I'm not putting poodles out of their misery. I said it was punishment *enough*, not enough to warrant euthanasia. };)

Oh, by the way, saw something joyous the other day: my regular gaming/bookstore just got in Trigun... the boxed DVD set. I WANT MY MONEY DANG-NABIT!!! (It's at roughly 600$ - a quite reasonable price, I'd say...)

Gside: Actually, it was kinda fun at the bar this weekend... The bartender flipped randomly through the recipe box when I asked her for a suggestion... she suggested an Orgasm. So I casually replied "Why not? Never had one of those..." leaving her momentarily puzzled... Ambiguity is fun, no? };)

Josh: The lottery ticket didn't come through; only two correct numbers. :( As for Hamlet, well... it's the Scottish Play that is reputedly haunted, not Hamlet. Though, you never know...

Oh, well, all things being equal, I ought to get back to the Excel course; maybe pave a few roads to Hell, or so... Or maybe I'll just play Minesweeper a bit.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, January 28, 2002 03:37:08 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

Another day full of work. I'm almost done with the week. Then I can start on next week. My goal is to finish everything. My whole life, as soon as possible. Yes, it is a race, and if I finish first I win and YOU don't.

Nevermind, I clearly haven't smoked enough crack today.

replies

Gside: <<a beard and mustache trimmer. But I like the dwarvish look>>: The nice thing is that when you meet a girl that doesn't, it can easily be removed or altered. <<For just about the rest of my life, my age will equal the sum of the tens and hundreds place followed by the ones place of the year>>: Freak. <<Doesn't give an idea of the vastness of the void>>: True. "And then there was a whole mess of nothing." Better? <<"Why can't a woman be more like a man?" - Prof. Henry Higgens>>: So much to say, so little space. <<no one likes me because Samus now has so many ranged attacks>>: Sweet. And she looks good in a bikini too. <<Race you to Texas?>>: As if you could beat me. <<just what is wrong with my sheets>>: Um... <<the other only leaves little bits that are more easily washed out>>: True, but I don't think that makes it any more pleasant. <<And everyone else could tell?>>: LOL. <<To truly experience engineering, you must at least attempt statics>>: True. That usually doesn't hurt either. <<It probably could, but would you want to eat them?>>: No, I suppose not.

Todd: <<showing one of the weaknesses of evil. For all his cunning, Luthor can't comprehend the possibility that there are people out there motivated by something other than self-interest, that a person who had considerable super-powers would choose to restrain himself rather than simply using them to take whatever he wanted>>: That's BS. Any smart evil person understands his enemy, and knows that powerful good people aren't in it for themselves. THAT is what makes the good guys so annoying. Hell, I'm evil and *I* don't have any trouble following it.

Christine: <<Serves us right for living so far away from the relatives>>: If that's the only downside, I'd say you guys are damn lucky.

DPH: <<why didn't Lex Luther try to prove the super computer wrong?>>: Because he's arrogant to the point of foolishness. <<Now that Lex Luther knows the truth, what's he going to do about it?>>: Nothing, I'm sure. <<So how long before the Arab nations force the issue of Israel being not a legitimate country?>>: Well unfortunately for them, the REST of the world thinks Israel *IS* a legitimate country. <<someone had lots of sex and ended up getting AIDS as a result, tough luck>>: Who defines what "lots of sex" is? You may think I'm a turbo-slut, but most of my friends are 10 times worse. Its all relative. <<things like high blood caused by what you eat falls in a gray area for now>>: I fail to see how that is any different. Eating is just as critical as sex is, just for slightly different reasons.

Gunjack: <<even if every arab nation says that Isreal is a puppet state of the Great Satan, the fact remains that the Great Satan disagrees. And the Great Satan has really *copious* amounts of lethal weapons in a variety of shapes and sizes, not to mention the fact that our indusrial-military complex needs a nice messy war every few years to keep the munitions factories rollin' rollin' ROLLIN">>: LOL. The moral of the story: might makes right. <<they're stuck having political reality dictated to them by a Godless society of pleasure-drunk hedonists whose idea of subtle diplomacy is a carrier battlegroup>>: That is a great quote! May I add it?

Ravyn: <<a foreign exchange student from Britain. (Scotland, to be exact ... yay>>: Is she cute? <<she's heard about all us "American kleptos.">>: I am NOT a klepto! I am an opportunist ;-)

Sarge: <<He wants to move to san fran now. . . . go fig>>: By posting this in pink, you may have made a statement.

Fire Storm: <<Only if I can watch>>: Sweet. <<SuperLube>>: Um... <<they are going to pump *clap* you up!>>: Don't bet on it. I've tried the gym thing. <<Grease and spoon>>: Huh? <<Trade ya for a fifth!>>: Of? <>: That's fine, as long as we stay the hell out of it.

Lain: <<got woken up early thismorning by my roommate slamming doors repeatedly.. over and over>>: Are you incapable of fighting back? Is this rampant hippyism what causes you to just let people walk all over you? <>: I OWN YOU! <<only if you make me ruler of canada>>: Sorry, no can do. <<ill get over it with your instruction, no worries>>: Whew. <<it all makes so much sense now, thanks for clearing that up>>: Glad to be of service. <>: Why don't you just do something really awful to her?

Sevarius Jr: <<How can you tell it's Doug?>>: Use two brain cells? <<Hopefully, someone in the military is as draconian as I am>>: No, we know they are. What we hope is that someone will let them act out their fantasies. <<She must be hot. OR it could be the accent, because that drives some men wild>>: British accents rock. <<how do I find a pic of Miss Niamgold?>>: You email me. Then be jealous, because she came to visit ME, in LOS ANGELES, and not YOU, over on her side of the country. <<Even though we all have our naughty moments>>: We do? Even YOU, SJ?! I'm shocked!

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
-Samuel Johnson

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, January 28, 2002 02:15:10 AM
IP: 64.160.47.185

It's like old times!

Wow, Doug's back. Again. How can you tell it's Doug? Easy. Within a day or so of his return, already he's flip-flopping on his original opinion. "You're right. I should have waited till I started reading the book before making the claim I did." Glad to see you haven't changed, Doug. It's good to know that the more things change, the more they remain exactly the same.

lain: <<oh, and an avid american-hater>> Time is a wonderful, and funny thing, that now we can joke about this, when we were so ready and willing to spill the blood of the other for all to see.
Though it would be a flat-out hilarious joke if I didn't see some actual truth in that phrase.

Monkeys in Cages: Call them detainees, call them P.O.W.s, the fact remains - for all our the bleeding-heart nonsense rhetoric that you will here about how they are being held / treated, anyone with at least half a brain cell realizes that as bad as they may have it in their little cells, they're one THOUSAND percent better off there than they were with the Taliban. We feed them, we clothe them, we even give then a copy of the Koran. They got off EASY. I'd have killed the whole bloody lot on the spot. Hopefully, someone in the military is as draconian as I am.

Johnny Walker: Hey, he's here in VA. And I'm utterly pissed that he's back on American soil, OUTSIDE of a body bag.

Ravyn: The big buzz going around my dorm right now is that the girl across the hallway got a new roommate today ... a foreign exchange student from Britain. (Scotland, to be exact ... yay!) This poor girl ... all the other girls in the hall are absolutely all over her, trying to hear her talk and ask her questions and all sorts of things ... it's hilarious! >> She must be hot. OR it could be the accent, because that drives some men wild (*ahem*).

<<Naimgold> I finally saw a RL pic of you! wow, you are a very beautiful young lady!! :) >> *begin dirty SJ mode* So, um....how do I find a pic of Miss Niamgold? ;) *end dirty SJ mode....as if it ever really ends...*

DPH: <<This is confusing me. How can the US government have a base at Cuba if we aren't exactly on friendly terms with their government? I haven't had a history class in . . years. >> The REALLY weird / kinda cool thing? We now have a base in a country formerly part of the Soviet Union. We've got a foothold in Asia (in the old USSR, no less), and we want to keep it - to keep an eye on China.

Spacebabie: I know you're not a preteen! I was making a veiled reference to the HBO special, "Middle School Confessions". Utterly TERRIFYING if you're the parent of preteen girls.
But I would never suggest you were like them, because you are a respectable young woman. Even though we all have our naughty moments. ;)

Oh, and it's the Rams vs. the Patriots in the Superbowl. Disappointing day for me! I wanted the Eagles to win, but I don't hate the Rams in the bowl. I can't STAND the Patriots, though, and they have NO PLACE in this Superbowl. But alas, there they are. I say the Rams kill them dead.

"The only person I want to see cooking and laughing is Dahmer."
---Jim Norton, on the TV chef phenomena
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 28, 2002 01:20:38 AM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Lain> <>: It's at www.eden.rutgers, not just eden.rutgers. If that isn't it, maybe the network is acting up again.

Imzadi> <<But does it make julienne fries?>>: It probably could, but would you want to eat them?

Terrky> <>: Just find a nice wysiwyg html editor. Netscape includes one with the browser, Microsoft has Front Page, and there are a mess of smaller ones out there.

Fire Storm> <<Well, the ones YOU have seen don't!>>: Going to jack Sweettooth's ride?
<<It sounds like a large limit, but when you really try to download alot>>: Exactly. I have on average about 200 megs a day, which is less than two episodes.
<>: You know, I seem to remember you downloading a couple divx files from me before. Or I could be halucinating.

And because M. Tyson was in the news again, the mp3 is Boom Boom Mancini by Warren Zevon.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, January 28, 2002 01:07:17 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

got woken up early thismorning by my roommate slamming doors repeatedly.. over and over.. was annoying as hell.. *grrrrrs*
other than that, my day was cool. i got a toiletbowl cleaner that turns my water blue.. and some carpet shampoo to try and get that nasty ground-in charcoal out of my white carpet..
wish me luck. :P

fire storm>> sorry about the neenering.. ;)
<<Well, you are in luck! Pakistan has recently launched an un-armed ICBM to show their force.> oh, goodie.. <> i bloody well hope not!

*grins at gunjacks post, but decides not to comment*

ed (and any other british people)>> oh oh! got some fun trivia for ya.. amy gehring.. youve heard of her, right? and all that big hoopla? well.. turns out she graduated from MY university, aint dat lovely? AND came highly recommended by her profs. what high standards we have here.. :P

dph <<Hmm. So how long before the Arab nations force the issue of Israel being not a legitimate country?>> wooooah... *takes a looooooooong step awaaaaay from the discussion* i like to remain a little warm in the CR.. but id rather not be burned at the stake ;)

josh>> <<You're gonna pose naked?>> yeah, i already DO.. just.. dont tell my dad ;) <<Vote Josh for president of Earth!>> only if you make me ruler of canada.. <<WHY!? He obviously has little love for you, if any.>> yeah yeah, i know. its that stupid "hes my only family" thing again. ill get over it with your instruction, no worries. <<What she's saying is that given what she knows about you, and given what your post actually said, she was more than justified in making the conclusion that she did about what you were saying.>> so... just because im USUALLY a canadian daisy-pickin, chain-myself-to-a-tree greepeace hippie pot-smokin peacemonkey (oh, and an avid american-hater, dont forget that part) means that because i clearly said that i wasnt taking a stance on the issue of detainees in cuba yet means i really WAS? and she was (because she knows me sooooo well and all) justified in pointing out that i must have had a secret agenda of converting people to my outlandish left-wing bleeding-heart-liberal standpoint (which i never took)? o.O it all makes so much sense now, thanks for clearing that up.. <<Says the girl who can't spell "sentence".>> hey, dude, when i get PAID to write in here, and this place becomes some highly-reputable distributor of print-media, THEN ill start using correct spelling.. and hell, maybe even some capitol letters and punctuation and a few less "..."s while im at it. till then, though, i dont get paid enough to care :P

aaaaaand.. i think my roommates asleep now so its about time for some revenge of the door slamming.. bwa ha ha!!!
(simple things, my friends, simple things..)

love,
lain "matthew 5:9" iwakura
the Great White North
Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:50:37 PM
IP: 64.228.197.90

Imzadi: <What about a woman?>
Only if I can watch.
<But does it make julienne fries?>
Yes it does! Order yours now! Only $19.95! HURRY! Supplies are limited!
And if you order during this program, you'll get a bottle of SuperLube, for those times you DON'T want the No-Go-Anal 2001 to work! A $29.99 value, yours FREE!
<They don't have 4WD>
Well, the ones YOU have seen don't!
<Bah. You aren't the first, you won't be the last>
No, but I will be the successful one! *I* have Hans and Frans!
And they are going to pump *clap* you up!

Insanity genes? All I have are black ones. No blue ones... unless you count shorts.
<Tar 'n feather?>
Grease and spoon!
<And yet you'll have to settle for fourth.>
Hmm... Trade ya for a fifth! ;)

Gside: <You said Lady Mystic had a fair hand, no?>
Yeah, but I won't get her to admit it.
<1 through 13, minus 11 which I am working on now. I'd have more if not for this 2gig limit per week.>
It sounds like a large limit, but when you really try to download alot...
<Nice compression, and I think easily rippable from DVDs>
Really? Hmm... I'll have to give it a try.
<Well, you could also try the Divx bundled player or Real>
I didn't have Divx, so I downloaded it and now just about any player works.

Gunjack: <not to mention the fact that our indusrial-military complex needs a nice messy war every few years to keep the munitions factories rollin' rollin' ROLLIN"!>
And it gets US citizens working!
<In the good (C)old days, when the thermonuclear warhead roamed the Earth>
Well, you are in luck! Pakistan has recently launched an un-armed ICBM to show their force.
I think Pakistan and India will have a thermonuclear 'exchange' before December.

Ravyn: <How are the teeth? Hope you're still healing up fine!>
Looks like I have a dry socket, but it doesn't hurt at all.
<actually, it all seems to have gone very well!!!>
VERY good!
I really didn't get swelling. Weird, but I am not complaining.

Terrky K: <is there an exact link or some for sure place i can go?>
Pre-made? Don't think so. You need to know at least a little coding to do one anyway.
Have you asked Quarryman in the adult CR? He hacked formmail and made it so you could choose colors. He may be nice and give you a copy.

"That's what life is, a series of down endings. All Jedi had was a bunch of Muppets!" - Dante, Clerks

Never test the depth of water with two feet. - Luke R.
Fire Storm
Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:14:36 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Ok... Here's the situation.
The detainees are officially NOT POWs. They are classified as "unlawful combatants."

Read the article.
Fire Storm - [<---- POW or "Unlawful Combatants?"]
Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:49:28 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Fire Storm: i went to that site... but i'm no good at this stuff... i just want something like this, ya know, with different colors, but nothing else too fancy...

is there an exact link or some for sure place i can go?
Terrky K
Sunday, January 27, 2002 09:56:50 PM
IP: 64.197.198.208

Quick Gathering Announcement: (PLEASE READ)

I just received an email, and I wanted to make sure this didn't happen to everyone else. If you have registered to the gathering via ONLINE and have NOT received a confirmation email stating that we have received your registration, PLEASE EMAIL ME IMMEDIATELY. If you register between now and January 31st, and do not received a confirmation (that says I got your form), re-register again and email me.

I would rather get four registrations from the same person, then get none from someone who thought their registration cleared when it really didn't. <:)

As far as I know this has only happened once, but if you DID register, and did NOT get an email from me, again, email me to doublecheck! I'll be very happy to do so. :)

PS. I'm currently converting the registration list to html code, so it will be up shortly!!
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Sunday, January 27, 2002 09:56:04 PM
IP: 129.21.145.3

25th. . . . hmmm I think I'm addicted to this picture.

No good news except. . . . .

CGIFORME has FINALLY given my a username! Finally afer months of screaming at them in every possible way! WHOO HOO!!!!

*sings* It's me b-day, it's me b-day whoa whoa

sorry . . . but I've had a rotten time with them. But now it is over. =)

What else can I talk about? Ummm Dad's home so I might be able to get a computer finally! He wants to move to san fran now. . . . go fig

Sarge Abernathy
Sunday, January 27, 2002 09:29:36 PM
IP: 64.12.102.31

Whoops! Missed something.

Ravyn: Glad you're healing and good luck!
GL
Sunday, January 27, 2002 08:07:56 PM
IP: 67.25.132.211

Christine: You're right. I should have waited till I started reading the book before making the claim I did. <waves a taloned hand in dismissal> Oh well. Now I am reading the book. Enjoying it immensly too, and I'm only on Page 11!

<jets out to get back>
GL
Sunday, January 27, 2002 08:06:49 PM
IP: 67.25.132.211

Well, just wanted to make a quick post to let y'all know I'm still around! ;)

Thank you to everyone who sent get-well wishes for my wisdom teeth surgery ... actually, it all seems to have gone very well!!! The swelling has gone *way* down (I don't look like a chipmunk any more!), and I'm healing up just fine. And ... I actually ate *pizza* last night!!! Mmm ... soon I'll be completely back to normal. Yay!

The big buzz going around my dorm right now is that the girl across the hallway got a new roommate today ... a foreign exchange student from Britain. (Scotland, to be exact ... yay!) This poor girl ... all the other girls in the hall are absolutely all over her, trying to hear her talk and ask her questions and all sorts of things ... it's hilarious! She's out on a tour of the school right now ... and the really funny thing is that she asked her new roommate to watch her luggage, because she's heard about all us "American kleptos." This should be interesting ...

FS> How are the teeth? Hope you're still healing up fine!

Coyote> **kisses** Hey. :)
Ravyn
Sunday, January 27, 2002 06:40:07 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

23rd
silvadel
Sunday, January 27, 2002 06:23:11 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

DPH><<Hmm. So how long before the Arab nations force the issue of Israel being not a legitimate country?>> Well, see, that's where things get ticklish. Each country gets to decide for itself whether or not to treat all other countries as legitimate. So there's absolutely nothing to stop the Arab nations from declaring Isreal illegitimate.
What then, eh? The Arab nations recall their diplomats, and shut down their embassies. Aaaaaaand Isreal keeps right on going, because even if every arab nation says that Isreal is a puppet state of the Great Satan, the fact remains that the Great Satan disagrees. And the Great Satan has really *copious* amounts of lethal weapons in a variety of shapes and sizes, not to mention the fact that our indusrial-military complex needs a nice messy war every few years to keep the munitions factories rollin' rollin' ROLLIN"!

RAWHIDE!!

Ain't it cool? The Arab states can whine all they want, but they've got way too many guns to their heads to do much more than that. In the good (C)old days, when the thermonuclear warhead roamed the Earth, the Arab States were mostly backed by the Soviet Union. They bet on the wrong horse, and now they're stuck having political reality dictated to them by a Godless society of pleasure-drunk hedonists whose idea of subtle diplomacy is a carrier battlegroup.

The irony is delicious.

Rampantly Yours,
Gunjack "I'm As Good A reason As Any" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Sunday, January 27, 2002 06:17:51 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Robby> That may have been, but wether that is part of continuity at the moment is hard to figure out. Seems like every five or six years (or whenever the Editor in Chief gets replaced) they just about abandon everything they did the past few years. Not being a regular reader I really am not up to speed with Supes.
Skippy The Klingon
Sunday, January 27, 2002 04:25:40 PM
IP: 209.245.243.62

Green Baron: The Lords is actually a functioning institution but Tony�s cronies pack the place now; hopefully Iain Duncan-Smith�s Senate proposals will get some consideration instead. As far as the accent goes, I think he probably does tailor it to his audience but he has a whole stock of tricks up his sleeve. Like when his son Leo was born, he came out with a mug of coffee in his hand. As for visiting the UK, well the Golden Jubilee ought to be a laugh...

***INCLUDES SPOILERS***

More UK reviews of this season�s US shows. Since I didn�t get a chance to pop by last week, there�s two weeks worth of shows. Anybody who doesn�t get Sky One in the UK may want to avert their eyes�

Enterprise: �FIGHT OR FLIGHT�
After a slow start, I quite enjoyed this. It never worked up much of a head of steam and we never really learnt much about the murderous race, but it was suitably intriguing to keep me interested. There�s a lot of friction in the crew, and I can�t wait to see how it develops.

Enterprise: �STRANGE NEW WORLD�
The crew get high on an alien planet and start killing each other. Great scenery, good special effects, nice enough acting (and a standout scene from the doctor) makes it a hit with me.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: �AFTERLIFE�
Wow, this was just incredibly slow. Again. Overlooking the fact that it took ages for anything to happen, and when it did it was over in five seconds flat, this episode was actually quite creepy and the ending, with Buffy revealing she had been torn out of heaven, was lovely.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: �FLOODED�
Much better. None of these nerds interested me individually, but together they were fun enough � the acting is great, and they didn�t get in the way of the main story, which was quirky and moved at a nice pace, whilst dealing with a potentially dull issue, money problems. Enjoyed it.

Angel: �HEARTTHROB�
Not as slow as Buffy, but this still took a long time to get not-very-far. James� death was kind of an anticlimax, and Cordelia seemed jumpier than she has been. On the other hand, her interaction with Angel was lovely. The vampire hunter guy Holtz was really disappointing; he lost Angel and just ended up shouting incompetently. As for Darla�s final scene � well, the effects were pretty bad, but the music was great and it�s certainly a twist.

Angel: �THAT VISION THING�
What was that about? Some really odd special effects, some really flat writing of Cordelia and a dull reintroduction to Lilah, who doesn�t do very much. I hope the dead Holland returns.

***END SPOILERS***

It�s a shame that Taleweaver has thrown in the retro-review towel. I�d already made notes on �FROM THE HEART� so rather than �TO RESTORE AMENDS� I�m afraid I�ll post my notes on the that one. If I get time, I�ll keep with the reviews at least until the new season is released. It would be nice if other people would do their own reviews� there seem to be enough people uppity about the wait for new episodes, that revisiting the �golden archives� oughtn�t hurt.

TGS Retro-Reviews
Gargoyles: �FROM THE HEART�

***INCLUDES SPOILERS***

I have two reactions to this. My first says that this is a gorgeous episode, well written, with nice characterisations, and a touching twist at the end. The second says, �so what?�

Epilogue excepted, the present-day material isn�t anything to write home about � the Quarrymen get uppity and the gargoyles escape. Puck goes against his usual philosophy, mixing magic in undoing the spell on Angela. Demona fails to sway Angela by imparting her secrets. Goliath never finds out who sent the book and whilst it was crucial at the start of the story, it�s written off as unimportant by the end.

The material in the past is a version of the Wyvern and Moray massacres minus the treachery. We learn a little about the origins of the Praying Gargoyle, and have a few vaguely sympathetic gargoyles to get to like before they�re killed. But essentially, this is a long-winded answer to a simple �Ask Greg� question: �where did Demona get the Praying Gargoyle?� and while it would have been fascinating if tied into a larger and more original story, this one simply smacked of past exploits. It�s a great read, but it�s nothing new. The new characters aren�t developed in any significant way, and we don�t get any examination of the causes and motives and politics and tone of the revolutionary France.

So to balance my two views, I guess I�ll have to conclude that it�s an average episode at heart buoyed up by some beautiful writing and a final scene that�s truly touching without in any way compromising Demona�s character.
Ed - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
London, England
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:24:02 PM
IP: 172.188.23.6

Superman - Stupid question: why didn't Lex Luther try to prove the super computer wrong? Arrange for Clark Kent to be trapped in a building with cameras everywhere and have a some disaster occur, making sure Clark Kent knew about it. If Clark Kent changes into Superman, you got Clark Kent on camera. Next, arrange for Clark Kent to be near some crpytonite with a camera watching him. The idea would be for Lex Luther to prove Superman isn't Clark Kent. Dumb question: Now that Lex Luther knows the truth, what's he going to do about it?

The Grinning Lurker - Hi Doug!! It's really hard to leave a community, isn't it?

Gunjack - <Legitimacy is pretty much totally subjective. Basicly, it boils down to everyone agreeing to let each other rule. If all the other countries in the world say you're not the legitimate government, then you aren't.> Hmm. So how long before the Arab nations force the issue of Israel being not a legitimate country?

Imzadi - <Well wait, are you saying that public health care is a bad idea?> It depends on why you are sick. If it isn't your direct fault, then I see no problems. But someone had lots of sex and ended up getting AIDS as a result, tough luck. I won't push my morals on you as long as you don't make me pay for the consequences of your actions. That being sad, things like high blood caused by what you eat falls in a gray area for now.

Spacebabie - <this is why you should write cr responses on MS works then copy and paste>. If I get worried about losing my post, I'll copy to EditPad, a nifty text editor program.

Todd - <Well, I'm no Superman expert, but I do think that Luthor's refusal to believe that Superman and Clark Kent are the same (based on the description of that discovery given here) does make sense, as showing one of the weaknesses of evil. For all his cunning, Luthor can't comprehend the possibility that there are people out there motivated by something other than self-interest, that a person who had considerable super-powers would choose to restrain himself rather than simply using them to take whatever he wanted.> Well, Superman has 3 choices: not use his powers at all, his current situation with having a secret identity, or using his powers all the time. Either of the two extremes would be hard on him. Pretending you didn't have the super powers would be extremely hard. Being Superman full-time gives no possibility for a normal life because he would have to work for a government agency to pay bills. So having a secret identity and not taking advantage of superpowers is in Clark Kent's best interest if he wants to live as normal life as possible. If Lex can't understand that, then he really is stupid. Heck, I'm suprised that Lex didn't pay someone to work up a psychological profile of Superman. Any profile would have quickly pointed out that Superman's real identity must be an ordinary person, who grew up in the middle/lower income class level.

DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:21:46 PM
IP: 204.94.193.40

Snowing here ... snowed last night ... almost had my game turn into a slumber party!

Josh / Mooncat > thanks for the info on the movies. Now my only problem, as usual, is finding a time when Tim and I can go see them together. Serves us right for living so far away from the relatives.

Lurker > nah, it just looks like the book's bigger ... type and layout. Wordwise, it's not that much bigger than Archmage. The horror novels will be longer. Hope you enjoy it!

Jan > ah, I see ... so you're going to end up delivering the baby in a car stuck in a snowdrift while a blizzard rages outside? Should get you in the papers, that! ; ) But no, I hope Zach arrives in a convenient and timely fashion! Good luck.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, January 27, 2002 01:33:49 PM
IP: 64.24.187.54

17th
silvadel
Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:32:17 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Terrky K: <i'm building a website, and i want to make a sort of comment room like this one.>
Well, I've hacked the script for this room a little and I can say this: Check out Matt's script archive.
Or ask Quarryman (He changed his name, but I can't remember to what) in the adult CR. He hacked the Formmail script on Matt's to make a CR.
Fire Storm - [<--- Matt's script archive]
Sunday, January 27, 2002 07:20:25 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Well, I'm no Superman expert, but I do think that Luthor's refusal to believe that Superman and Clark Kent are the same (based on the description of that discovery given here) does make sense, as showing one of the weaknesses of evil. For all his cunning, Luthor can't comprehend the possibility that there are people out there motivated by something other than self-interest, that a person who had considerable super-powers would choose to restrain himself rather than simply using them to take whatever he wanted. It's the same sort of thing as Sauron, in LOTR, never once suspecting (until it's too late) that his enemies want to destroy the Ring; he believes that they'd use it against him, because that's what he would have done. So Luthor's deliberately blinding himself to Clark Kent's true nature does make sense to me.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, January 27, 2002 07:02:31 AM
IP: 63.183.39.148

Hey everyone!

i need to talk to someone that knows ALOT about HTML stuff!

i'm building a website, and i want to make a sort of comment room like this one.

the problem is, i don't know how to do it.

anyone good that this kinda stuff?????????

any help would be great!

-={King Terrky Kath, The Efficient Rock Star}=-

Terrky K - [terry_kath_2ooo]
Kansas
Sunday, January 27, 2002 06:55:22 AM
IP: 63.252.222.50

Got some nice toys today. Munchausen on DVD, more of Discworld, and a beard and mustache trimmer. But I like the dwarvish look.
And I noticed something else today. For just about the rest of my life, my age will equal the sum of the tens and hundreds place followed by the ones place of the year.

Imzadi> <<"And then there was emptiness". How's that?>>: Doesn't give an idea of the vastness of the void.
<<"Every man needs a maid" - Robert Margolis>>: "Why can't a woman be more like a man?" - Prof. Henry Higgens
<<How is that game?>>: Quite fun. Takes a bit of getting used to if you're familiar with the original. And no one likes me because Samus now has so many ranged attacks.
<<Cash bonus?>>: Sorry, just an entertainment bonus.
<<What she really needs is someone to tire her out>>: Race you to Texas?
<<Then I'll kick yer ass>>: Please do.
<<You get out of bed in the morning and smell like sheets for the rest of the day>>: And just what is wrong with my sheets.
<<Either way, its stuck there>>: But one way, it's still in one piece, the other only leaves little bits that are more easily washed out.
<<If slowly>>: That's the genius of it.

Spacebabie> <>: And everyone else could tell?
<<Have tried to do something similar?>>: After noticing one of the trophies was a Japanese schoolgirl, we proceeded to do upskirts of all the female trophies, as well as checking for a lack of a bulge on Shiek.

Niamhgold> <<so I'll at least be exposed to a _little_ engineering stuff before I die>>: To truly experience engineering, you must at least attempt statics.
<<Of course, she's the same women who said that childbirth is a cinch, so I don't know>>: My own reccommends much rest before the actual day, considering the differences between my brother and I.
<<lemme guess, the Cross Country, Merrit, and Hutchinson Parkways?>>: Don't know, I'm usually sleeping in the back seat.

Fire Storm> <<We need more pics like that>>: You said Lady Mystic had a fair hand, no?
<>: The same time she gets him for all the rest.
<<You got episodes of that series on your computer?>>: 1 through 13, minus 11 which I am working on now. I'd have more if not for this 2gig limit per week.
<<Why is that codec so popular?>>: Nice compression, and I think easily rippable from DVDs.
<<Same. Just no video>>: Well, you could also try the Divx bundled player or Real.

Fleur> Condolences about the dog.

I'll get the new CR tomorrow.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, January 27, 2002 04:47:56 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

!@#$ missed the NEIN-spot. Barely.

I spent today working, pretty much. I plowed through a bunch of reading. I'm gonna try to make myself as UN-available as possible over the next couple weeks and really do as much homework as I can.

replies.

Skippy: <<Lex Luthor, who is now President of The United States finally discovered Superman's secret identity>>: How long did it take him? Ten years? Idiots. I saw the episode of the Superman cartoon yesterday where Kalebahk (sp?) comes to metropolis to tear things up, and while Superman is duking it out with him, Mrs. Kent yells "Clark, look out!" and Lois says "Clark? Where?". The fools. One would think that Lex had already spent lots of money a long time ago trying to figure out who Superman is. <<Luthor needed an Intellegence Analyst spending hundreds of man-hours sifting through data (at the taxpayer's expense of corse) to tell him that when Clark Kent takes off his glasses he's Superman>>: What if Lois and Clark went out, and they got together and started having sex? Would Clark take his glasses off?

Spacebabie: <<Mom got my drugs yesterday WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE>>: LOL I know the feeling. <>: My roommate has asthma but always "forgot" his inhaler so he wouldn't have to do Phys Ed. <>: I've never been naked in school (in my dreams, anyway). Just the classic anxiety where I have finals on the first day or something like that. <>: Aren't you glad we don't know what you look like? <<shirt shooters((The ones that killed Maude Flanders>>: OL! <<It�s like having homework pancakes>>: Its painful is what it is. <<Isn�t that an oxymoron?>>: One would think. But this is a management course really. Should be a BizAd course, not a CE course. <<Wouldn�t that have made you an overachiever as well?>>: You think I got to be a Berkeley Engineer on good looks? <<the poor thing�s mewing would have broken your heart>>: Doubtful. <<What the stealing or the lubes?>>: Both. <<I�ts obvious he is a typical male. Doesn�t want to leave home>>: Summary of all males: we spend 9 months trying to get out and the rest of our lives trying to get back in. <<We need to sign petition to keep stupid people from breeding.>>: Just vote for me as ruler of the world! <<those who received lung problems via second hand>>: I suppose that's reasonable. <<this is why you should write cr responses on MS works then copy and paste�or whatever the Mac users have>>: I use textedit. <<Stephen zinged Firestorm>>: Me too, apparently. <<Once when he paused Princess peach was leaping in mid air and it was possible to see her underwear. Have tried to do something similar?>>: No, that's just dumb. Besides, that's what DVD's are for.

Christine: <>: Now THAT would be funny. You could make it really cheese b-movie stuff. <>: Wow. Very punctual. I was 2 weeks late. My mother has never forgiven me. Then again, I never forgave her for my little brother, so I guess we're even ;-) <<is the action plausible>>: In CMC, yes. None of that matrix crap, or even that stupid rotating special effect. Its starting to annoy me too, I understand.

Lain: <<that job pays SIGNIFICANTLY better.. cos of the naked.. but it, again, is only three or six hours a week>>: You're gonna pose naked? <<cheer for me, will ya, ya big cynic.>>: Woot. <<what a glorious day that would be>>: Vote Josh for president of Earth! <>: All my accounts have limits as well. 20 meg, I think. <<no good porn is gonna be less than a MB>>: Very well. If you really need to transfer porn to me, I'll switch to AIM just for you. <>: WHY!? He obviously has little love for you, if any. <>: What she's saying is that given what she knows about you, and given what your post actually said, she was more than justified in making the conclusion that she did about what you were saying. <<doesnt that guy know that verbs are required to make real sentances?>>: Says the girl who can't spell "sentence".

The Wizard: <<it was the fist time I've ever seen my roommate get up before me>>: Lazy bum. <<went to the doctor's for a long-needed checkup>>: I assume all is well? <<upping the professional business sector of our school (we are working on starting a BUNCH of major changes around here>>: Good job! I wish we had some engineers with that much passion. But then again, we don't have any recruitment problems. <<started working on my taxes>>: Always a fun chore. <<I'll at least be exposed to a _little_ engineering stuff before I die>>: It doesn't even hurt the first time. <<when I say bananas, you say kumquats ;) Maybe that helps?>>: Or maybe we're all just as clueless as before. <<when NO ONE is in the office, I'm still made to wait two hours>>: That bites. <<Bow chicka bow>>: My thoughts exactly. <<she looked like her normally thin self>>: Yeah but looking at you I'd guess you were a 3 ounce baby. <<she's lucky she didn't fail to clot or something when she miscarried with the lack of those nutrients>>: Oh that would have been special... <>: It works. <<That's why he'd be my editor. Make sure I don't have ambiguities like that.>>: Any part of the resume that causes me to chuckle immediately gets removed. <<with business and science and mathematics to boot!>>: So...dont go to an art school? <<Not to mention the Freudian innuendos>>: LOL. <<That can't be good for your health>>: I made up for it this weekend. With a vengeance. <<she probably wouldn't have kept in contact with you if she did>>: Unless she was, in which case...oh nevermind. Not worth fussing over. Its done. <<if the first day's lecture is boring, that's when you know you'd better drop>>: Sadly, I don't have the option. I need these courses to graduate. <<what's up with all this work sh!t they've been giving us this semester?>>: I'll kill them all. <<SF was listed as one of the only places that are going to struggle hard>>: Not surprising. It boomed the most. Not worrying about it, either. <<Very, very well>>: Cool. How much? <<You know it>>: Usually, yes. <>: That's tough to do. <<Back or cartwheel?>>: Forward. <>: I should rephrase. I've never heard of a mac with that problem.

David G: <<I'm spending today cleaning up my apartment>>: Good luck with that! <<the girl I've started dating will eventually want to see where I live, and if I ever want her to see me again after that it had better not look like a pig sty>>: Bah. Girls have seen my apartment and still come back. <<send someone to my place to excavate me from the mound of old comics and paperback books, OK?>>: LOL you'll be fine.

Mooncat: <<the manservent>>: That guy is so funny. Not that he makes any jokes or anything, but he just makes me laugh.

DPH: <<organized crime is in a war with the US government, but aren't entitled to protections by the Geneva accords>>: Thank goodness. <<How can the US government have a base at Cuba if we aren't exactly on friendly terms with their government?>>: GitMo has been there since before Castro took over. And we fence it off and patrol it. <<what about those people who got cancer from smoking and apply for government help to pay for the treatments? What about those people who got STDs (from everywhere else but blood transfusions and birth) and want the government to pay for their treatment>>: Well wait, are you saying that public health care is a bad idea? <<why is the government paying money for AIDS research when we already know how to prevent the disease?>>: Because while an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, you aren't gonna get people to stop having sex. <<Simply running Superman's face through the DMV registration could have got the same result>>: that is So true!

Jan: <<you don't see us bombing the hell out of drug lords or their homeland>>: Actually... <<we sure as hell had prisoners of war there>>: Most of which the American soldiers tortured or killed.

LM: There is a typo on the profiles page. In the websites section, homepage should have an "e" in it. Other than that, its awesome! Thanks so much! Also, I tried to go to /calendars/ and it didn't exist. Are you sure that's the right addy?

Grinning Lurker: Hi Doug. <<Anything to have her back, even just for one episode!>>: Yeah, she's hot. <<congrats on having a girlfriend. I know you've wanted one a very long time>>: Who said anything about having a girlfriend? All I said was that I hooked up with a girl that I really like. <<In small part because of posts like that, I am what I am now>>: Just in case we didn't already know who this was. <<You and I agree on something>>: You like having sex with Aaron too?

Sarge: <<My foot hurts. probably because I finished cleaning my room>>: How does cleaning your room hurt your foot? <<My GOD! I have a CARPET!!>>: I know that feeling.

Fire Storm: <<Ain't no man besides me gonna touch LM!>>: What about a woman? <<It's the No-Go-Anal 2001!>>: But does it make julienne fries? <<An ice cream truck>>: They don't have 4WD. <<It just works (most of the time) and the systems that run it are relatively cheap>>: ::sigh:: <<You figured out my plan! Now I must have you disposed of!>>: Bah. You aren't the first, you won't be the last. <<Quad damage!>>: And no wraparound. <<what a lovely gift>>: I got the best genes. <<only if we get to glue fake fur on the ones that don't have enough>>: Tar 'n feather? <<1 part ARRRRRRGH!>>: LOL. <<Money is useful. The other isn't>>: True enough. <<*I* was supposed to be first>>: And yet you'll have to settle for fourth.

Fleur: Long time no see! <>: Recovered from your back injury, then? <<I'm so far behind on everything, I'm not even going to to try to catch up>>: Awww, nuts. That would only have made my post 3 times longer ;-) <<A friend of mine was born on her laundry floor because she didn't give her mother a chance to get to the hospital>>: What a punk. How dare he. <<maybe you should handcuff him to something so he can't escape>>: I'm sure he'll see the humor in that. <<your recent troubles sound horrendous>>: It's alright, I'm over it. <<for what it's worth, I'm sorry you were so betrayed>>: That's alright, not your fault. <<Don't blame yourself, okay>>: Well, in all fairness, it was my fault. <<guys really only have the option of a condom when it comes to contraception>>: Well, there is abstinence...but you can guess with me that it's not really an option ;-) <<Don't let this destroy your relationship with your current girlfriend>>: It hasn't. And when did I say anything about a girlfriend? <<maybe you should discuss the possibility of her going on the pill>>: She's starting shortly. The irony is that she already HAS it, has been looking into it for a while, but she hasn't been able to start yet for, uh, technical reasons. <<do me a favour and don't judge all females on your ex-girlfriend's behaviour>>: While you're at it, you'd better suggest that I don't judge all females on ALL my ex's behaviors. <<We aren't ALL psychos, liars, or Generally Bitchy. Well, not most of the time, anyway>>: I'll reserve comments. <<a diplomatic version of the finger>>: I believe I'd like to see that. <<dust bunnies the size of cement trucks>>: Ooh we should hire you to clean our apartment! We've got dust bunnies just slightly smaller, and it might seem like a vacation! <<where you pay extra $$ but get luxury seats and all the popcorn and softdrink you can consume>>: Sounds like a deal to me! <<site update>>: Finally took down that horrifying wallpaper, I see. Looks great! And you linked to me! Sweet!

Robby: <<Luthor tossed it aside as a piece of rubbish and faulty computer code, because he figured, no one with SUpermn's power would EVER hold him self back as a pathetic ordinary person>>: And this is a brilliant billionaire?

Gunjack: <<Pretty elegent, really>>: Or just damn clever.

If I can't abuse power, why would I want it?
-Wally, "The 2000 Dilbert Calendar" (sic)

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, January 27, 2002 04:39:39 AM
IP: 64.160.47.185

9th I think
it's late
Revel
Sunday, January 27, 2002 03:03:05 AM
IP: 129.120.236.209

10th?

Need sleep... I'll reply to comments later. :)
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Sunday, January 27, 2002 03:02:57 AM
IP: 216.254.103.103

*points to fire storm* NEENER!!!!!!!!! i dont think ive EVER been first.. :D YAY!!!!

fleur>> good questions.. i dont know if i have all the answers but ill do my best fer ya <<Were these guys fighting for Al Qaeda or the Taliban?>> probably a little of both. the taliban decided to support al qaeda, and then they got kinda smushed together in everyones eyes.: <<If it's the second one, how come these fighters aren't fighting for their country?>> the taliban isnt a country. neither is al qaeda.: <<I'm just not sure how that can be seen as fighting for a cause, instead of a country.>> i think there were something like TWO countries who ever recognized that the taliban were a legitimate governing body. the united states was not one of them. (i think they were pakistan and.. iran maybe?) anyway NOT the united states, thats for sure. so they cant very well go back on that just cos its convenient. <<That would be like saying that an American soldier who's in Afghanistan because Dubya sent an order through the ranks for him to fight isn't actually fighting for his country, because he's doing it on his president's orders.>> not quite.. because dubya is the recognized leader of a recognized country which happens to have a military force.. unlike the unrecognized taliban leadership which has a devoted following of a lot of guys with guns.. <<Bush said he'd take down anybody who supported terrorism, the Taliban fit that description, they gave the US a diplomatic version of the finger when they were asked to hand over Osama, declared war, and since they were Afghanistan's Government at the time, how can it be said that the guys fighting for them weren't fighting for their country?>> because the taliban isnt and wasnt a recognized government.. (again with the political semantics..) "taliban" translates to mean "students" or "students of GOD" or something vaguely like that in the pashtun language. lots of them studied in madrassas (islamic religious schools) in pakistan, which is where they got their fundamentalist ideas. many of them grew up in refugee camps because they were children of the war with the solviet union. many were orphans, had little to no contact with women in the camps, and were therefore completely segregated from "family" life. this all-male brotherhood formed the taliban. my point with this little history, is to point out WHY the taliban is a social movement that took power, rather than a recognized government. << just want to know if it's been decided exactly WHAT these guys were fighting for.>> so far as i can tell, they were fighting for their beliefs.. but not for a government.
<<Also, what's been done _wrong_, exactly?>> i dont have a clue.. <<Have they been in some way mistreated?>> not that *I*ve heard. theyve sent a bunch of people down there to find out.. though they havent sent any reports back, so far. (that ive heard, at any rate). so the answer to your question is: the jurys still out. im sure youll hear about it when the results come in.. :P
i hope that helped? maybe? kindasortaish? well.. points for effort, at least?

jan>> <> okay.. maybe im just stupid but.. i have NO understanding of what that sentance means. could you please explain it for me slowly and using small words?

patrick>> even though your the style of writing and use of the english language in the article you linked to drove me RIGHT up the wall (doesnt that guy know that verbs are required to make real sentances? and he gets PAID to write like that?? o.O man, gimme THAT job..) i must admit that he made some pretty good points that i *gasp* actually kinda agree with.. but shh, dont tell.. my heart is still bleeding in the closet..
thanks for sharing. :)

*thinks lotsa happy thoughts for david g*

gside>> i cant get into yer "eden" page thingy.. is that just me or has evil internet demon eaten it or somethin?

moonkitty>> <<Canadian and on a shoe string budget it manages to be the best werewolf film I've seen.>> well.. thats cos were SO cool (in many ways..) up here.. :D for more examples of cool canadian videos made on shostrings.. check out "Lurking Fish Productions" *nudge nudge wink wink*
;)

okay
time for beddy byes
love,
lain
the Great White North
Sunday, January 27, 2002 03:00:01 AM
IP: 64.228.192.58

8th?

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:40:21 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

7th.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:38:17 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

And now you know, Fluer... 8 )
Valentine
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:38:14 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Legitimacy is pretty much totally subjective. Basicly, it boils down to everyone agreeing to let each other rule. If all the other countries in the world say you're not the legitimate government, then you aren't.

Before 9/11, most of the world didn't give a second thought to the taliban, so they held on to their power. When it became an issue due to their protection of Osama Bin Ladin, the world pretty much decided to declare them illegitimate, and to throw it's support behind the northern alliance. Whether the Taliban were really in charge in Afghanistan is irrelevent. Delegitimizing them makes it considerably easier to invade their sandy hindquarters without being an "agressor" in the eyes of the international community. Since we delegitimized them, they can't claim status as POWs. Pretty elegent, really...
Gunjack "Click Click Pull" Valentine
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:37:08 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Skippy- Actually, Lex Luthor found out Superman's identity years ago, way back in an early issue of Man of Steel, perhaps the first one... (WHich would place it somewhere between 10 and 15 years ago now, I have no idea what issue its on now..) In it, Lex used a massive supercomputer to go over all the data on Supes, and the evidence ended up saying, Clark Kent was Superman. After getting this info, Luthor tossed it aside as a piece of rubbish and faulty computer code, because he figured, no one with SUpermn's power would EVER hold him self back as a pathetic ordinary person... So actually, Lex has known for the last 15 years (so like, a month or so in comic time. Tho actually its been a lot better about moving in real time the last few years...) he just refused to believe it...
Robby
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:34:18 AM
IP: 172.131.75.16

NEYT, NEYT, NEYT!

*I* was supposed to be first! :p
Fire Storm
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:28:01 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Third!!
Yooper - [jwprusi@mtu.edu]
MI
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:28:01 AM
IP: 141.219.84.191

Ho Tay!
Gunjack "Weeble" Valentine
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:21:40 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

WAHOO!!!!!!!!!
lain
Sunday, January 27, 2002 02:21:05 AM
IP: 64.228.192.58