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Lexy and Vash> THankyou for the Gargoyles DVD link! I put it up on the gathering site so people could access it too! (hope that was okay.. ^_^;;)

Jan> THanks for the comment. ^_^ I totally understand. It is kinda a wierd concept with the saints and Mary..and if you haven't grown up with it, it does seem a little odd. :)

Green Baron> re hinduism: Oh..that's what I believe so strongly..is that they assimulate other relgions into theirs (or maybe that's the wrong word.) But anyways..they believe that Jesus and Buddha are reincarnations of Vishnu etc etc..so we all are worshipping the same diety, just in different ways..and that, in esence, is my belief. (I just have some Catholic beliefs I still keep with me) SO it doesn't surprise me. THey probably assosiate Mary with Pavarati (I THINK that's how her name is spelled..I'm always bad at names.. -_-;;) at least she's the 'motherly' figure that would be the obvious choice of association. ^_^

Re patron saints: Actually..Bernadette was going to be my 'confirmed' name (that I was going to take) but..never did. (I always loved her story..it was my fav. ^_^) Hehe..confirmation names..yet another interesting Catholic tradition. I'm not sure there IS one of anthropology, wouldn't surprise me if there was though. ^_^;;

blah..I can't think today..no sleep/life does that to you I guess...I had to give a presentation of this book I'm edditting and redoing for a trustee of my college..and he wants to have power point slides made too.. O.o;; (But its cool because myself and the two other people who are working on this with me get our names in the book! Nice thing to put on a resume!!)

Quick update: Gathering Schedule (at least the partial one!) will be up on Sunday!! (don't panic, the radio play isn't on it YET..but it WILL be.)

Josh> (re Catholic GIrl uniform) hehe.. ;P I don't think I have the skirt anymore. (actually, its probably too BIG for me now.. O.o;;) Besides..my bf is going to be at the Gathering..I have to be GOOD. ;) I'm not sure what I'm going to be...I was thinking of redoing Siryn's costume (so it actually looks GOOD!) or maybe be Asrial from TGS (since I really like her too.. <:) Or maybe a human from Gargs (a main character, not saying which one..but it won't be elisa OR demona or fox. ;P ;)

all out of me for now.
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Saturday, February 9, 2002 12:39:39 PM
IP: 138.89.90.22

** Niamhgold enters **

Well, "Voxel" met for the first time last night, and it looks like a promising group. Sadly, there's only two girls in it, and one of them leads the group. But, it's full of cool friends who drag Super Smash Melee along and talk about getting big conferences going. We're petitioning for Siggraph membership, and if I don't get an internship this summer I may volunteer to attend Siggraph in Austin. Plus, my friend Jay and I are going to be attempting to get ILM, Disney, Macromedia, and Alias/Wavefront to get down to our school next October. Apparently, teh last guy who took up this task is at ILM now, so of course we're gung-ho about this.

Well...my life in a nutshell ;) Replies!

Yooper: <Actually, there's evidence that Jesus had a brother> An evil twin? ;) Join the club.

Jan: For Anna's sake, here's hoping Zach isn't anything like I was when I was a baby ;) Heh, makes me wish I had had a grandmother ;)

Gside: <Whoohoo. And, to keep up appearances: In your face Imzadi> But...you haven't made any appearances yet, and you've been here longer than either of us ;) How about the classic bob? <I'm guessing about 15 years, but that's saying nothing about the attractive part> True. I could wake up tomorrow and be a pumpkin again.

Josh: Good, you AREN'T dead. That's only supposed to happen when I arrange it. <And I thought *I* had a lot of work> Somehow I don't think you see that as being a lot of work. <No you're not, because I am. And once we argued> I'm up for another argument if you are. <Good thing you don't participate in the flame wars> I probably don't because I'd get mad enough to harm someone. <But I don't generally have to arbitrarily restart my machine, as you often do> True, but most of the time I restart my machine by choice. I could continue to go on after an illegal operation but I find it better to simply restart, clean the slate, make sure my resources are good. <In the middle of conversations.> True. But you do the same when switching machines ;) <Can't have his saliva flinging around your CDROM drive> I'm afraid what the optical laser will do to mutate his saliva culture. <I'm free over Spring break. You?> Hmmm, me too. Should I schedule you in for a nooner? <Would that make you a worse artist?> Worse than I already am? Sure, because I wouldn't be trying hard and my work would suffer. <You say that like it can kill you> No, just the bunny. <Typing, you pervert> :: grins :: <Yesterday I got an email from GE, asking me to schedule an interview, and today I got an email from Korve, asking for the same.> Hey, congrats! See, we all knew that you'd get this stuff. So close and yet so far away. <some a-hole smashed the entire side view mirror off my roommate's BMW> Ugh. Has he murdered someone yet?

Fleur: <Cabana girls ON the pink elephants!> Eating bananas! ;) <Yea! Chaos!> :: And Niamhgold hears the resonant sounds of Beavis and Butthead chuckling... :: < Seriously, I don't get angry at much, or if I do, it usually only lasts a few hours of random swearing> I throw things, and swear. Christine perpetually fears me. <See, I'd only go for the latter because five million dollars can buy LOTS of bags of M&Ms. :)> Good point!

Shadowrider: I'm emailing you that address now...thanks :)

Spacebabie: <Well unfrotunatly he accidentaly left the gate open and Patch and Pongo got out.> Ooh...dalmations? Oh, wait, cats. Darn.

FS: <Let's see... 3DS 4, 3DS MAX, Autocad 2000, Photoshop 4-6, a few others I have tried but not really liked> Nice; it's hard to find a lot of art-school kids who play with 3D Max, since they tend towards Maya and Lightwave more (I think it may have to do with the more architecturally-based interface of Max). In any case...I'd love to see stills of your work. Unless you have the Flash plugin that plays 3d. <Did you hear? Kinetix released a version of MAX for free! It's called gMax, and it is targeted to Modders> Jay was very, very happy to hear that...thanks! ;)

Kathy: <Perhaps your project advisor is one of those types who wants you "to explore the limits of your own experience". (Translation: Figure out your own project and tell him about it later.) It has been known to happen.> Hey, you just summed up my entire art school experience! ;)

Silvadel: <Part of the problem I have with shooting for money, is what would I want to do with the money? The vast majority of what I want cant really be bought> Good point. But being a computer geek, I need to buy most of what I want. Well, that, or I could just jack parts out of every PC I come across...

Adios!

Niamhgold
Saturday, February 9, 2002 11:31:44 AM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Lexy - I am going to skip over all this religous discussion and thank you for posting that link!!! I voted for all the videos and made sure to mention getting the entire Gargoyles series on DVD in my comments. If everyone else does the same... maybe someone will take notice. ::Crosses fingers::
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Saturday, February 9, 2002 11:31:43 AM
IP: 67.227.14.181

Anybody watch the Opening Ceremonies last night? Was it just me, or was it just a *tad* overdone? Yeesh. I guess if they're having people shell out 900 bucks per ticket, or whatever it is, they figured they'd better give 'em plenty to look at.

RadCon > anybody in the Tri-Cities WA area next weekend, come to RadCon! It's at the Doubletree in Pasco, right by the airport. Always a good con. I'm running a game, and am on at least one panel -- on HP and LOTR and what it means for the fantasy genre -- and probably more though I might not know until I get there (they're a bit disorganized). Now if I can just get some damn BOOKS! Grr. Cuss. Snarl. My own fault for thinking it was taken care of.

::goes off to cuss some more::

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, February 9, 2002 11:16:44 AM
IP: 64.24.214.100

GB > I've never prayed to a patron saint of anything.

Original sin > I thought this phrase refers to Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. But I could be wrong.

* * * * *

"Father, forgive me... I've lusted after my neighbor's wife."
"Eh... heard it. I want an ORIGINAL sin. Next!"
"Forgive me, father, I... poked a badger with a spoon."
"Ah! Now THAT, my son, is an original sin!"

- Eddie Izzard, "Dressed to Kill"
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 9, 2002 10:39:26 AM
IP: 66.72.203.41

Josh> sorry to disappoint you, but it's a Windows machine. Campaign Cartogropher 2 won't run on a Mac.

I feel slightly ashamed that I'm buying a Gateway. I intend to cover up the litle cow logo with a NERV logo symbol if I can find one. It's just that Gateway is running a big sale, and I'm getting this one for about $100 less than any comprable machine.

But it's still a gateway. I may never recover from the shame. (Maybe being able to watch Cowboy Bebop on lunch break will help, though...)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Saturday, February 9, 2002 10:21:20 AM
IP: 64.48.222.23

Hi people. I am alive...barely, but I'm alive. I just returned from my last final of this session...I have a couple weeks of breath, to evaluate if I really need to try to raise the ratings by taking a supplemental session. How did these four finals go, you ask? I don't know, and right now I don't care...all I want to do is finish posting here and trying to recover some sleep. Anyway, I am quite tranquil about almost everyone...just this last one I am doubtful about, I was so tired this morning I could realistically have written the Reynolds number swapping the density with the viscosity...and I have no strenght to control.

Also, bad news on the family side: my grandfather died suddenly five days ago. I couldn't eventually go to the funeral due to my exams. Well...the relations with that side of the family (he was my paternal grandpa) were not that good, but...now I feel sorry I couldn't go. When they told me what had happened, I hardly raised my head from the book...and now I feel sorry for that too. What else will I sacrifice to ambition?

Ok, seems I am not that great company today. I apologize for that. Replies, then...

Gside:> <> You never know...

Josh:> << Sometimes? >> The rest of the time Motehr Nature is just a bit...hmm...harsh, so to say...but sometimes She really appears to have a very bad sense of humor...
<<SOLD! I'll go see it ASAP. >> You'll not regret it. I am SURE of it...;)
<<All my profs have office hours at the same time, so there's no way I can go and ask all the questions I need to ask in any given week. >> I see it is common...well, once I happened to have two exams assigned in the same day, at the same time (!)...
<<No, I meant before she got kicked out of the car>><<Ah.>>Yes, that's it. See my point now?

Niamhgold:> <<Oh, darn it. Hmmm...I'll email you another address you could attempt to send it to, okay? ;) Thanks so much for being patient! >> No prob...I will try to sand it again later, this time dividing it in smaller blocks of a self-extracting file...hope it will work. You know, not I'm taking it personally: you WILL have the song, no matter what the server says!
<<Definitely :) Of course, let's hope they keep the same enthusiasm in the production of the next two, so that they don't "fizzle" out like Matrix II is supposed to. >> Is Matrix II supposed to be "fizzled"? I know nothing about it...but, I am not following the production that much. I just know that the Italian actress Monica Bellucci (if you've seen "Pact of the Wolf" you know her...) is part of the cast...anyway, I don't think it will happen with LotR, mainly because, if I heard well, the two sequels have been already finished, and they are just waiting one year to let them out only to maximize the commercial income...

Jan:> I'm sorry I couldn't write you as I had said to you...you must be upset at me. I promise I will try to remedy today, or tomorrow morning at the very least. Oh, I've taken a look to the other pics...ah, Zach is really so sweet! :)

Winterwolf:> <<Dreamie lurks and says hi. Now I just need to get her posting again. >> We all hope in your success! GO WINTERWOLF GO GO GO!!!

Fleur:> <<We have a habit of agreeing with each other. :)>> Indeed. :) Actually, your opinions seem to me dictated by reason and common sense, so I find no problem in agreeing with you.:) <> Kit and Doug, naturally. <<Hey, that's fine. I'm from Australia>> Australia...one of the many places I'd like to visit in this lifetime. An old friend of my father's some years ago did a Italy-Australia all in motorbike (well, with just the minimum indispensable of ship), crossing Pakistan and other countries that usually tourist tend to avoid...I always wished to do the same. Oh, well...dreams cost nothing.
Anyway, since you told me about you...as you may already know, I am from Italy. And, speaking of lack of firepower in foreign politics...well, Italy is second to nobody in this...:(
<<31 people have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in. >> Oh...

Nothing more for now. I apologize if I forgot anyone. See everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider]
Saturday, February 9, 2002 08:55:45 AM
IP: 213.213.18.60

Hewooo!!!!!

Josh> ><You're forgiven. girlfriends are a tricky issue for me, given my vast array of mental issues with girls (like cooties, for one).< What the *$#@ are cooties? >When I find some, I will. If they're interested in me, which they aren't.< A problem... >How so?< Oh, I didn't mean any offence. It's not that I wouldn't introduce you to some of my friends for their protection. It would be for _yours_. ;) Your comment about people acting insane in the name of love just reminded me of them, that's all. >Um, no. You missed that, I think.Says YOU!< Okay. You've caught me. I'm not a science geek who needs to learn coordination. I'm actually a seven-foot hermaphrodite who earns a living making predictions for cultist on when the next apocolypse will be hitting us. >Its quite obvious, using comic books as references, that superior superheros are the ones who wear their underwear outside their tights.< *lol* >Unfortunately, your college still recognizes them. So you fail.< Damn that red tape... ;) >To quote Chris Rock: "If a kid calls his grandma "mama" and his mama "pam", he's goin' to jail"< ROTFL >Not quite. It would make sense, since then the rich people would have more power than the poor people. The problem is that the REALLY rich people give until they don't owe ANY taxes (Microsoft didn't pay one stinking cent in income taxes last year), while the majority of taxes in the country are paid by people like my family.< That's not a problem. If it were done my way, then wouldn't that mean that Microsoft would be made completely powerless? :) >I'll kill them myself.< Whoo! It could be a national sport! Hunt down the genetically engineered hot pink Chihuahuas! >Even stupid people? That's part of my world domination scheme!< Judging by the number of stupid people in positions of power/authority, I'd say it's not a disability. Therefor, it would be perfectly acceptable to stop them from further corrupting the gene pool. ;)

Jan> Zach is too cute to be legal. :) You must be very proud.

Green Baron> >I recall many of them aren't genetic.< It's not the genetic aspect that's used as the argument for sterilisation. It's the belief that they're not intelligent/mentally advanced enough to properly care for a child. This debate reminded me of another debate I'd had where abortion and sterilisation were compared, which was why I made such an out-of-context remark. >I do howver beleive in castrating fathers who won't take responsibility for their children. The biggest cause of poverty is illegitimacy and draconian
measures against deadbeat dads would do the trick. It's probbaly a small number of jerks responsible and a littel clipping or acid would do the trick.< They'd have an excellent immune system if you did. Seriously. It's to do with your thymus, which makes the T-Cells (the bricks of the immune system. AIDS is a good example of what happens to you if you lose them). The thymus shrinks after puberty, but if you castrate a mouse, their thymus regenerates. That's Fleur's Fun Fact for today! (Just don't ask me how I know this, and why I have experience in this. It will probably unnerve you. ;))

Shadowrider> >Anyway, about the abortion I practically agree with what Fleur said.< We have a habit of agreeing with each other. :) >You could eventually do it by yourself, since you know them as well. Anyway, I will pass your thanks.Ehm...may I ask you where are you writing from? (the country, I mean) It is just curiosity, I assure you.< Hey, that's fine. I'm from Australia, where, according to an email my cousin sent me, 31 people have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in. hehehe.

Lain> > ooooohhh.. wouldnt that be the sweetest thing of them all.. :D< The dream of every student everywhere... And *HUGS* because it sounds like you need 'em.

Fire Storm> >cooking the flesh of virgin humans< Problem would be FINDING one. ;)

Yooper> >The Pakistanis live near Afghanistan. The Palestinians are the ones who lived where Israel is now.< *blinks* Oh.. wait. You've confused me with Siryn.

Gside> >A woman in dental floss.< ROTFLMAO.

Warpmind> >Yes, with Windows, there are two Major Persuaders: Prayer and Intimidation. The former works, but for various reasons,the latter is more fun. ;)< Guess which one I prefer?

Naimhgold> > In that order? What about Cabana girls?! ;P< Cabana girls ON the pink elephants! ;) >But that just adds to the wonderful randomness. Bwahahaha.< Yea! Chaos! >Hmmm...I get angry at everything and it's still hard for me to hold a grudge. Or maybe I hold so many that it's a norm ;) In any case, remind me not to get on your bad side!< I don't have a bad SIDE. I'm bad all over. ;) Seriously, I don't get angry at much, or if I do, it usually only lasts a few hours of random swearing. Getting me to STAY angry requires effort. I'll argue constantly, but that's for the sake of exchanging opinions, there's no anger behind it. >I think WHAT can usually be explained easily, but some people can never really figure out WHY they lied.< It's the WHY that's messing me up too. I'm just one big 'Wha da F***?', here. ;) >(Unless it was for something immediate or tangible, like a bag of M&Ms or five million dollars ;)< See, I'd only go for the latter because five million dollars can buy LOTS of bags of M&Ms. :)

Lady Mystic> Just a question. I don't know if there was any decision made on eligability for adding your profile. Do I qualify? I've been fairly sporadic for the past couple of months and before that I was seriously AWOL. >Thanks for all your appreciation of my work! I really appreciate it and am so glad you are pleased with the material! :)< Pleased? I'm amazed. I can't help but feel I should offer you my first born child in thanks, or something. ;)

Jaden> >I was about to go crazy.< well, you're one step ahead of the rest of us. ;)

TTFN!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 9, 2002 07:29:48 AM
IP: 203.25.148.62

Despite much worrying and hoping, I am, in fact, not dead. I forgot to post last night. No excuse for that, sadly, so I'll just pretend I'm posting for two days.

Wednesday night I was trying to open my password application (basically, a database program that stores passwords, serial numbers, etc). But since it was a really crappy REALbasic app, it sucks. My roommate looked at it and said "I could write something better than that tonight". 30 minutes after I posted, he had a working beta of a new password application, written in Cocoa, that doesn't suck. I'm sure he'll be distributing it for free. Of course, it lacks some basic features, like password protection and ecryption, but since the app is only on my computer and my Silver Tower is quite impenetrable, and my passwords are quite safe. Today. Tomorrow I'll ask him to implement password protection.

I was actually able to get some work done, too. Finished my structures lab, and my geotech homework, and a sizeable chunk of my transportation homework too. But the cool part was that i got to bring my laptop in to my transportation lab and do the entire lab there instead of having to take our work home. It was pretty sweet. Plus of course everyone drooled over my iBook...except the mac users, who were busy drooling over how cool OS X looks. Then I got to show off my 'leet skeelz by writing a program to do the lab for us.

And today was my day off, but I was able to get around to a hair cut, pick up a book, and go to costco.

Now for something that sucks: some a-hole smashed the entire side view mirror off my roommate's BMW. Last time, they just jacked the actual reflective surface, but this time it looks like they took a baseball bat and smashed the entire housing off. That's gonna cost him a few hundred dollars. I'm glad I don't have my boomer up here...but then if I did I wouldn't that problem because it isn't a "nice" car. I actually feel bad for him. His father forced him to spend his own money to buy a car he didn't need, and now his father makes him pay for the rediculous costs of damage to the car because he drives it.

Mike's latest version of his Pic2Icon app lets me put dropshadows on my garg icons...but I've kind of lost interest in that project. I may pick it up again over the summer.

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Lady Mystic and everyone else: Should we have some holidays on the CR Calendar? Like X-mas, Hannukah, Canadian Independence day, etc? Of course, my birthday is already on there, but it might be nice to give other people a reason to celebrate ;-) <<since no one else (aside from FS, who preferred 1B and 2A) seems to have an opinion on the issue>>: Well obviously we're right where we agree, and he's wrong where we don't 8-) <<Already in the works>>: Great minds think alike.

Warpmind: 10 points. Good call, dude. I think they used that bar in EVERY PA movie. <<a half-dozen JWs stop me at regular intervals along the way to the bus stop>>: At what point does it become harassment? <<to nevermore find matching socks, and that all their underwear would be gnawed up by small mammals>>: I bet that would suck. <<I'm considering signing up for the MENSA test this year>>: They're a bunch of nerds...oh. <<You went and REGISTERED your crystal ball, didn't ya?>>: Serial surfers only works on MSseethroughball. <<proving I'm an expert on Microsoft Excel>>: Then what? <<gotta get back to playing solitaire>>: Truly the only thing windows is good for.

Greg X: <>: Harsh dude.

Siryn: <<being the good little girl in Catholic school (wearing the uniform and everything>>: This should be your costume at G2k2. <<if a girl through that to you in this day in age..you wouldn't believe her one bit>>: I think I'd laugh out loud. <<it wasn't until the ANGEL came to him that he started believing>>: I don't think the angel would help. I have too many friends who've tried acid, I'd wonder if they'd slipped me something. <>: Not knowing who the father is? I think lots of women go through that.

Christine: <<tarts like that are a dime a dozen>>: I'm sure her plastic surgeon would disagree. <<is going Inside the Playboy Mansion>>: Oh, right, like they'll show anything. I already get the rabbit channel. Now I want to see the stuff I can't see normally 8-)

Green Baron: <<Building a statue is not an act of idolatry, unless you follow some preacher from Bob Jones University in a 2,000 dollar suit who has a mistress stashed away>>: I fail to see what one has to do with another. And on a similar note, even if Jesus arrived today, would you know him? How? I could walk around saying that I'm the second incarnation of Jesus, and you'd have no proof that I wasn't. <>: Yes. You are deeply screwed up. <<That too is very hurtful and I expected to hear it from Bob Jones, Jack T Chic, or Jerry Falwell, but not from you>>: What makes them so special? <<They are good, but not required>>: Do you want humans around? Then its required. <<Bill and Hillary never had sex, either...well with each other>>: I'm sure they did at least once. Hell, if I were elected president, the FIRST NIGHT of my term I'd have sex with my wife in the oval office 8-) I'd look for interns later. <<an unconsummated marraige makes Jesus illegitimate and that makes him even more of a radical figure for his time>>: He wasn't supposed to be "radical". That's the funniest part. He was just a good guy. <<Siblings were never mentioned when he was twelve and if they had kids, they'd have had some by the time Jesus was twelve>>: What logic are you following here? I know lots of kids that are separated by more than 12 years from their siblings. And if Mary was only 18 when Jesus was concieved/born, then there's plenty of time for her to have other kids later. <>: I really don't care what you swallow. The fact is that Berkeley has one of the highest rated Philosophy departments in the country. Don't confuse the philosophy department with the 800,000,000 liberal minded hippies to walk out of here. Most of them are english or ethnic studies majors. <<I'll agrre that Berkely has superior science courses>>: I find it difficult to believe that you know what you're talking about. <>: The best philosophy school wouldn't be organized around a religion, because religion itself is inherently one-sided on things like ethics. <<no sex ever>>: I'll work for GE, thanks. <<I've heard that Jewish theological discussions sound more like shouting matches>>: Jews know how to argue, that's for sure ;-) <<don't have sermons on powerpoint>>: You mean the presentation software? <<Saints are heroes and they will offer prayers for you>>: So its a way of hedging your bets? Weak. <>: You can imagine that, but I bet he doesn't. <>: OH NO! DPH, how will you ever recover!? <<Afterall, he created the platypus, and cockroaches. I'll never understand that one>>: What about the creation of humans?

Lain: <<GOD is all good>>: To quote Satan: "Without evil there can be no good so it must be good to evil sometimes." <<you could always handcuff ME>>: You may not believe it, but we didn't really need that image. <>: Why don't you ask your dad? <<OH!!!! OH!!!! MEMEMEMEMEME!!!!!!! PICK ME!!!!! PICK ME!!!!!!!! *grins like a maniac*>>: Relax, he's already decided to give it to me. <<there are probably a LOT of things you dont know about belly-button lint, in that case>>: I know it smells funky. <<government.. health benefits.. dental plan.. paid vacation.. gun.. car.. free handcuffs.. me want>>: I'm sorry but you are too much of a pacifist to make an effective police officer. <<too bad none of you actually live anywhere near me>>: Your fault, not mine. <<what on EARTH are you gonna do when you come visit me?>>: Freeze. <<you will inherit some money or a small piece of land>>: Maybe your dad will die.

Revel: <<Oringinally I was not going to respond to Josh, I was going to let his imagination run wild>>: I'd rather it didn't. <<To answer you, no, it was better than that>>: What could be better than sex? Oh. Good sex. Or maybe you just won a buttload of money. That could be better than sex. Depends on how much cash, I guess. But if this is some stupid "the girl I like agreed to go out with me on friday", that is NOT better than sex. Trust me. <<that was not what I had in mind when I made it. It is actually Lynati's fanfic Brooklyn>>: So Lynati thinks that Brooklyn is gay?

Ravyn: <>: Way to go. Studios are nice for one person. <<The price is something I can actually afford too, so things are looking good ... :) The lady landlord who runs the place is very, very sweet and nice too ... and also very professional.>>: Watch out. That's what we thought about our landlady too. Then she threatened to evict us if we tripped the circuit breaker once more. And she's still a scrooge. <<Does anyone have any advice about what I should be careful about, or look for, or ask, or anything like that before I apply to this place? I'm going to apply as soon as I can (probably next week sometime) and then it's on to see if I'm approved for a lease>>: I have lots of horror stories to tell you, and I'm happy to share them all. You know where to find me. For starters, verify how the apartment is heated/cooled. You want to know if you need to buy fans/heaters, or if you'll get evicted for using heaters. Check out what utilities (if any) are paid for, access to DSL (even if you can't afford it now, you may want it later). Laundry machines on site? Grace period on rent? Talk to the previous tenants about the place. Dishwasher? Keep lots of cash in your checking account, so you can write those HUGE deposit checks/finders fees. Lots more. <<In other news, Thermodynamics sucks>>: No kidding. <<we ended up with only about 30 minutes to do these terribly confusing Thermodynamics problems for our first exam>>: What were the topics? <<Congrats on the job offers. I'm so jealous>>: If you want I'll look for MechE jobs through Berkeley and send you a bunch of links. Most of the jobs will be in CA, though.

Fire Storm: <<anyone else having problems getting to the GFW?>>: I was earlier today. Fine now though. <<it MUST be bad>>: It is. Very. <<Sounds like the makings of a myth to me>>: or at least a dumb story. <<You can get it for free>>: But you get what you pay for... <<What kinda man are you?>>: I don't think even HE knows the answer to that. <<are there any 1394 or USB sex toys>>: My friend nico keeps hoping for a firewire vibrator, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. <>: And then what? <>: Ah, I can't. That's why I never take the pepsi challenge. <<Does she invite her friends over sometimes?>>: She has friends? <<And God spoke to the Engineer>>: LOL! That is SO what I say when someone tells me to do something. <<DAMN STRAIGHT!>>: Spoken like a true republican. <<she got some of the OTHER side>>: That could imply two different things. <<the PROFIT! The POWER! The... IDIOTS!>>: Sounds like the tag line of a bad movie. <<how do they get the people to hide in those little cans?>>: Prince Albert did it. <<At least it wasn't a Battlecruiser>>: I'd be more concerned if it was a Devourer. <<Four-way>>: But there's always room for jello.

DPH: <<Memorizing formulas isn't as import as knowing how to derive the formulas>>: I disagree. Memorizing the formula can save you a LOT of time. Plus, derivations can be screwed up bigtime. <<there's reaching the point where you can live off the interest from a checking/savings account>>: That's my goal. <<Getting papers to prove you are an expert on Microsoft Office only makes you qualified for a secretary's job>>: Well, that's more than he was qualified for a week ago.

Jan: <<Most cookers are males, so they receive the girlfriend or wife of a user>>: I'd never trade such a valuable product for a used person. Not that I wouldn't try to exert other powers over them. <<look in the kitchen sink cabinet (underneath the sink) for any mouse droppings or roach activity… look for water stains in the ceilings or around the window sills… and really pay attention to the smell of the place>>: Good ideas, though that smell might not be permanent, it might just be the BO of the current tenants 8-) <>: First of all, Berkeley doesn't get to to be the best public school in the country as well as the top of many fields by being "not any better than most universities". That's why when my friends and I tell people that we go to Berkeley, we always get "Whoa. You must be a genius." (yes, this is an actual response I've gotten more than once). Second of all, I said that Berkeley has a high ranking philosophy department. I didn't say that Berkeley students had good ethics. I know I don't. I imagine cheating is higher in the top ranking programs, and I bet that's true for any high ranking program at any school. Third, it could be worse. MIT has the 4th rated poly sci department in the country, and they have the highest suicide rate in the world. I'd rather be cheating than dead. <<and you would know this… how? *giggles*>>: Well, if I knew from personal experience, as you've suggested, then I"d know a lot more. <<awww c’mon… we won’t tell>>: Speak for yourself! I'm posting it on Slashdot! <<Anna completed the paperwork with the attorney today>>: Always fun. Glad everythings working out the way you hoped. <<What is this "original sin" that ya'll keep referring to? I thought the original sin was Eve disobeying God and allowing greed to take over>>: Eve forgot to clean the house. <<You know, I *could* enter someone into the computer as having a warrant>>: And why do I have the feeling that someone would be me.

Elaine: <<I cringe because the people who cry "I can be whatever faith I want!" are the same people who will turn around and call Catholicism "old," "outdated," and sometimes, "wrong." It's very hypocritical, isn't it?>>: That's not what this is about at all. Its not about being hypocritical, or telling someone that they're religion is stupid. Its about poking holes in logic, testing the bounds/limits of each other's faith.

Gside: <>: Yeah, those are the worst. <<The gay bar>>: Congrats. <<Just one?>>: I only need one. The rest of my time is occupied by hot women. <<If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.>>: To this day I will never understand that sentence. <<I've heard there are amazing things you can do with a cucumber>>: They probably require a lot of lube. <<on the definition of evan and odd. In a 400 level course.>>: Even and odd are very complex concepts. I've never had a teacher explain them to me correctly on the first try. <<unicorn bait>>: What is unicorn bait? <<is that where they get all their spam?>>: I get most of mine through yahoo. <<So why does Lex get left out?>>: Chicks don't like guys who are short or scrawny or geeky. Unless they're loaded. <<Download some porn and work on your biceps>>: How does that help Lain? <<In bed. Hey, Gunjack, I think they're calling you small>>: LOL. Or maybe they're just saying that her mom had no chest.

Patrick: <<your Microsoft training certificate plus 39 cents will now get you a super-size fries and drink at any McDonald's or Burger King>>: Actually, you have to buy a meal before you can supersize it, so you probably need another couple of dollars.

Daphne: <<the Greek system fears me>>: That's sick. It's twisted. It's...SO COOL!

Spacebabie: <<Then I woke up and turned on the computer went to TGS and saw an announcement for the new story for Timedancer. Then I woke up for real>>: Ya know, when I read this... <>: Jesus had morning wood? Wow, he really was just like everyone else. <<Hey DC deserved it!>>: Perhaps, but did you have to make the males watch? <<Yup>>: Well then I'm sorry I won't be at G2k2.

Winterwolf: <>: Yeah, me too. <<Dreamie's comment to that was "What you can't afford a can of whip cream?">>: Actually, I can. It's the shipping I can't afford.

David G: <<My washing machine flooded my back hallway while I was at work. The maintenance people had to break into my apartment to shut it off and clean up the mess>>: That SUCKS. The day before we left for Winter break, our toilet developed a huge crack in it and leaked all over our bathroom. <<I'm buying a new laptop. (900 MHz celeron, 10gb hard drive, 256mb ram, DVD drive, NIC card and 56k modem>>: Dude, iBOOK! <<Maybe I can get credit from the 1st national bank of Mom and Dad>>: The finest lending institution in the world!

Okay its 2AM. Time to crash. Or at least finish this review.

If you don't get it right the first time, reload.
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Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:03:25 AM
IP: 64.170.153.119

Warpmind> <<Makes note to randomly supply BAD Sailor Scout jokes over the near future>>: Please do. Stuff like, "I would have included whips and a gag-ball" (Kung Fool, 10/25), right?

Jan> <>: It is, but it's pretty much hereditary, too. That's what baptism's for, to forgive the original sin. Being born without such put Mary ahead of the game.

Spacebabie> <<So should she have a threesome between Broadway and Brooklyn?>>: So why does Lex get left out?

Winterwolf> <<What you can't afford a can of whip cream?>>: It probably depends on if it's read whipped cream, or the fake stuff.

Green Baron> <>: Arent' you supposed to pay when you light a candle?

Lain> <<gunjackvalentine: FRRRRRUUUUSSSSSSSSSTTTTTRRRRRRAAAAAATTTIIIIOOOONNN!>>: There's a way to deal with that. Download some porn and work on your biceps.
<<that would mean that GOD changed>>: Or perhaps we changed, and required a different touch in order to be correctly guided.
<<you will inherit some money or a small piece of land>>: In bed. Hey, Gunjack, I think they're calling you small.

Fire Storm> <<But the PROFIT! The POWER! The...>>: Largos.
<<you attract the unicorn, I will slaughter it, and we will feast on it's flesh>>: Sounds like a plan. I forget, what does unicorn steak get you? And is the filet any different?
<<fish slapping dancing>>: So which is the best fish to use, and which fish gets you shot on the spot?
<<But how do they get the people to hide in those little cans>>: I'd think some hide in the grinder. The rest they vacuum up.
<<At least it wasn't a Battlecruiser>>: I'd hold out for a Carrier.
<<Gotta include Lex>>: See?
<<Or Bronx!>>: Hot zoo action.
<<Wilek: Hey... You know what?>>: Which reminds me, get posting, Wilek.

Thorn> You need to include the http:// to get the link to work right.

Na zdororv'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, February 9, 2002 03:03:31 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Thorn - Heh. Now just demand to know why the next season of TGS'll be up, and you'll fit RIGHT in... ; )

DPH><<Anyone who does not think I have a dark side has never read my thoughts on all the creative ways I could refer to my dad and I would like to do to him at times.>> Havin a dark side isn't about hating. Hate isn't nearly as scary as indifference.
Gunjack "Dark and Dangerous" Valentine
Saturday, February 9, 2002 02:20:33 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

the world is a giant burrito and i'm just a damn guppy!! hi lain, see i finally posted
thorn - [thorn_prince@yahoo.com]
Friday, February 8, 2002 11:34:27 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Hi kids!!!

It's time for David's pointless post of the day!!!

[sfx: crickets chirp]

Ok, so we're missing the demographic a little. I'm sure it will pick up by sweeps.

I had some excitement yesterday. My washing machine flooded my back hallway while I was at work. The maintenance people had to break into my apartment to shut it off and clean up the mess.

Now I have to get the thing fixed, and I can't really afford it. I'm buying a new laptop. (900 MHz celeron, 10gb hard drive, 256mb ram, DVD drive, NIC card and 56k modem. It'll be sweet when it finally gets here. I just don't know if I can aford it and a new washer. Maybe I can get credit from the 1st national bank of Mom and Dad...

Oh well, see ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, February 8, 2002 09:02:35 PM
IP: 64.48.222.247

Jan: <ahhh yes, making meth… it’s very profitable… but also extremely dangerous>
But the PROFIT! The POWER! The... IDIOTS! ;)

I saw it on TNT and I think it was PRE-Carter's addiction.
What happebed is that a doctor, I THINK it was Dr. Lewis, grabbed an IV bag and it seemed wierd. She set it on a table next to a guy who was oxygen. It blew up when the guy started smoking.

Gside: <True, but at least this is one that you too can question.>
Very true...
<22 year old unicorn bait. Sad, no?>
Hmm... you attract the unicorn, I will slaughter it, and we will feast on it's flesh.
<Proper use of comfy chairs?>
Oh yes! And bathing, the use of coconuts, math, and fish slapping dancing.
<What's the survival rate for that one? And is that where they get all their spam?>
-15% (Not only do they loose 100% of the students, they take 15% from other places!)
And that's probally where they get their spam. But how do they get the people to hide in those little cans?

Warpmind: <You know, those can be anonymized ridiculously easily, much like geting a zone-free DVD player>
Hmm... You know, the last time I messed with a crystal ball, a Wraith appeared in my house. While I appreciate a good high speed arial fighter as much as the next guy, it kinda destroied my room.
At least it wasn't a Battlecruiser.

Patrick: <There are more polite ways to convey the same information in mixed company>
It all depends on who is reading it and how they see it.
Weaver didn't get a cat. She got a dog.
I know I mentioned sex a few times and was trying to throw people off with that comment, but the word, in the manner I typed it, meant Cat, not the other thing.
(And yeah, I realize it was very borderline, but I thought that the people who saw the episode could figure out the joke.)
(Also, I was stressed as can be. Not an excuse, I know, and If I offended you or anyone else, I am sorry.)
I'll try to keep it closer to PG or PG-13.

Spacebabie: <So should she have a threesome between Broadway and Brooklyn? Like I said flesh is always better.>
Na. Four-way. Gotta include Lex. Or Bronx! ;)
And flesh is ALWAYS better than veggies!

Wilek: Hey... You know what? I lost your e-mail in my most recent hard drive crash!
Could you re-send it?
Fire Storm
Friday, February 8, 2002 08:50:39 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Anyone who does not think I have a dark side has never read my thoughts on all the creative ways I could refer to my dad and I would like to do to him at times. The biggest problem is I don't think he understands the concept of "Letting go". That's all I want him to do: Let me be. If I want advice from him, I'll ask for it.

He wants me to draw unemployment. As I have told him before, I'll draw unemployment when I am well enough to have a good chance of finding job with my back condition. Damn, I'm not handicapped enough. Essentially, I am no-man's land. If I was either wheel-chair bond or completely normal , I would have fewer problems.

Green Baron - <plus my only real knowledge of one was Bill Clinton> There was a move to punish Immanuel Baptist Church of Little Rock because of Bill Clinton. Thankfully, it was voted down. On some things, I am more open-minded; on others (especially religious views), I am very closed. Heck, I believe the legality of abortion should be a state issue, not a national one. I'm sure that will get me in trouble with folks from both sides.

Don't let your mind be so open that your brain falls out.

Warpmind: < And I'm getting papers proving I'm an expert on Microsoft Excel.> Getting papers to prove you are an expert on Microsoft Office only makes you qualified for a secretary's job.

DPH
AR, USA
Friday, February 8, 2002 08:18:55 PM
IP: 204.94.193.64

fortune cookie: "you will inherit some money or a small piece of land"

WOOHOO!!!!! :D
lain
Friday, February 8, 2002 07:27:45 PM
IP: 64.228.198.18

****************BUFFY SPOILERS*************

lain: you see buffy this week?
gunjackvalentine: yeah.
lain: heheheheh
gunjackvalentine: with the little love ball?
lain: yeah.. oooooohmyyyyyyygoooooodness.......
gunjackvalentine: and buffy finding out that she DIDN'T come back wrong? Yeah, I think Spike's gonna die...
lain: and the sexy on the balcony thingy with spike that made steam come out of my ears?
gunjackvalentine: YEAH. okay, I've got issues with this. BIG, HARD issues.
lain: LOL
gunjackvalentine: I watch buffy have sexy sex with spike. I watch willow have romantic sex with oz. I watch victoria's secret models looking SEXY.
lain: hehehe
gunjackvalentine: and every third commercial is some romantic thing about Valentines day, with mucho kissing.
lain: SUCKS TO BE YOU!!!!!! (or.. doesnt..)
gunjackvalentine: FRRRRRUUUUSSSSSSSSSTTTTTRRRRRRAAAAAATTTIIIIOOOONNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *ahem*
lain: hehehehehehehe NEENER!!! man, but that was seeeeeeeeeexy............ *whistles*
gunjackvalentine: yeah, I'd say steam coming out of ears about sums it up... and I dreamed about you last night...
lain: er.. i dreamed about spike in handcuffs.. sorry
gunjackvalentine: *schnorfs her* you could always handcuff ME...
lain: but.. you dont look like spike....

****************END BUFFY SPOILERS*************

yeah, so thats what we thought of buffy this week. i just saw it last night, my friend taped it for me cos i was working. and what was with all the sex? in buffy AND angel? SOMEONE needs a cold shower.. and it MIGHT be me.. ;)

aaaaaanyway.. so life is okay
ive resigned myself to the no money = no food situation. eh.. ive been to the food bank before..
but im ALSO wondering.. um.. if its not a rude question.. i have some inheritence from my mother? and.. i dont have it.. so.. where *IS* it.. and how do i *get* it cos.. i could use some..

silvadel>> <<Part of the problem I have with shooting for money, is what would I want to do with the money?>> OH!!!! OH!!!! MEMEMEMEMEME!!!!!!! PICK ME!!!!! PICK ME!!!!!!!! *grins like a maniac*

josh>> <>.. there are probably a LOT of things you dont know about belly-button lint, in that case.. ;D <<What the hell kind of job is this?>> mmmmm government.. health benefits.. dental plan.. paid vacation.. gun.. car.. free handcuffs.. me want.. <<Bet you wish you were an american citizen now...where THEY have to pay for your training>> *sigh* yes well, up until dear old mikey harris took over the provincial government, they DID pay for training.. but then he cut funding.. and now you have to pay. he also did things like.. kill ontarians.. by getting the private sector to look after water inspections (ever heard of walkerton? and the ecoli poisoning that killed a buncha people?) yeah.. he did that too.. and all the people who died driving around from hospital to hospital trying to find an emergency room that wasnt already full cos he made so many cutbacks? yeah.. and with the refusal to make affordable housing so that homeless guy froze to death on the steps of queens park? yeah.. and you wonder why i dislike conservative governments..... <<Some of us are your friends>> yeah.. too bad none of you actually live anywhere near me.. :P~

patrick>> <<That sounds like a scam, not a job offer>> government = scam?? you MUST be joking.....

metaldemon>> <<You know, Texans aren't supposed to get cold....especially one's from Houston. If Houstonians were meant to get cold, it'd snow in Houston, but it doesn't>> man, you are SUCH a whiner!!! what on EARTH are you gonna do when you come visit me? o.O

fire storm>> re: GOD and engineers>> LOL!!! that was GREAT..
i have a little monty-python-esque version of GOD with a big booming voice acting out those lines in my head.. someday, i should quote some "radio-free vestibule" about GOD.. ;)

dph>> <<<We have a lot of christians, and none of them seem to agree.> We can agree some basics.>> yeah well.. theres this GOD guy.. no wait.. *being* and this jesus dude (whose gender well fight over later..) and.. oh heck.. no more agreeing :P~
;)

jan>> <<Basically this is God stating that He is the only God and therefore controls everything and takes responsibility for it>> yeah.. i figured that. but then i try to tell that to the campus crusaders, and they look at me like im a nutwad and go back to their "GOD is hugs and puppies" deal. <<The Lord is the only God thus takes ultimate responsibility for all things>> yeah, bein GOD and all, i should HOPE he would :P <<The OT was during a period of time when God was much harsher than in the NT>> now.. see.. i dont get that.. cos that would mean that GOD changed.. and if GOD is GOD.. then hes not sposed to change.. so.. maybe they just THOUGHT he was harsher? i dunno.. the whole "GOD changed" thing rubs me wrong.. (though.. soes any of it rub me RIGHT, is the REAL question.. o.O) <<Once again though, it necessary to read the entire context of the whole chapter or at least read before and after to be able to decipher what a particular scripture is talking about>> yeah yeah i know. i wasnt contesting that, i was just making growlies about "hugs and puppies" thats all.
hey.. waaaaaaitasec.. are we actually having a conversation? o.O
QUICK!!!!! while were at it, do you actually *want* this baby blanket ive been knitting or.. what? its not finished but.. i started it a little bit ago and it should look okay when its finished..

green baron>> <<Without inustice and evil, there is no heroism. No noble paladins or agenst of justice in the world. No martyrs either. God could destroy teh devil with no problem, but it is our struggle against evil that makes us grow and prosper>> right, of course.

aaaanyway.. im STAAAAARVING HUNGRY!!!!! AND I HAVE NO FOOD!!!!!
*WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!*
oh well.. ill dig up something.. somewhere.. maybe..

see you later,
love,
lain
the Great White North
Friday, February 8, 2002 05:52:08 PM
IP: 64.228.198.18

Oops...WHWH, I mean YHWH. WHWH is a radio show for all God, all religion, all the time

Green Baron
Friday, February 8, 2002 03:56:42 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Another good and restful evening.

DPH> I nwo see your darkside. I'll comment later to you.

Siryn> Ah, you're forgiven ::hugs:: You don't have to quit posting about those topics. You're not as bad as DPH though I understand where he comes from and the whole thing about first and second cousins not being allowed to marry makes it difficult for people in Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, and northern Louisiana to look at Catholicism favorably :)

Yes, that was mean. They also don't liek how Catholic priests won't marry men and sheep, too ;)

Patrick> <<Me, I'm of the belief that anyone can pray to God / Jesus directly, and you don't need a saint to be an intermediary or pay a priest or nun to do it for you.>> It isn't for that reason. Saints are heroes and they will offer prayers for you. It seems to be pride speaking when you refuse help and rather simpleminded to regard anything as honor or praise as idolatry. I knwo there is this notion fo egalitarianism and peopel wanting everyone equal in heaven and Earth and all that bull, but no way in hell will I put Bill Clinton on equal footing with Billy Graham, because when Billy Graham goes to Purgatory and later to Heaven, I bet Bill Clinton will be needing an eternity of sun lottion for where he's headed :)

We don't pray to saints in the way the modernist would think. It is asking for their prayers. It is by no means a substitute for God. I imagine you might want to occassionally ask for a little guidance from the patron saint of Engineers. And nowhere are religious paid for any sort of prayer or such. The selling of indulgences is along dead practice and it requires a lot of gall to kick us around for a practice that is no longer practiced and condemned. The priest can't even suggest community service at the Confessional, and that I think makes a good penance.

Warpmind> I was reading in my Catholic Q&A book an dtehy talked about Jehova's Witnesses. It gave a possible expalnation for the formation of the name Jehova. In the Bible, Yahweh is called WHWH among other names as the hebrews find it disrespectful to be too casual with God, so they take vowels out of his name. With German, you can change the Y ofr J an dthe W for a V, turning YHWH to JHVH or Jehovah. Granted, the J has a y sound in German and the W has a V sound in German. But the religion was founded in 1902 or something so as far as I'm concerned its new age.

Elaine> I thank you for posting and I hope to see you post more often. I have read that anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable form of bigotry. In a sense its good we get attacked by the left and right so we can be a force of moderation.

I actually have a lot of respect for religions that are older, and with a patron siant of the Internet, we're not too outdated ;) As for the tenth cnetury, hey that is the age of Gargoyles. Anyway I hope you post more often and I hope more lurkers in general post.

Jannie> <<No, that’s not the way it was. She was not the “bride” of the Holy Spirit in the same sense as one would consider a bride.>> But still conceived in the Holy Spirit. I admit there was no intercourse.

<<but she does not equal that of Jesus and therefore should not be prayed to.>> I never siad she equlaed Jesus. Her devotion is an indirect devotion to Jesus. Read the Hail Mary carefully. The first half is form Luke and teh secodn verse is not asking for her to save us or forgive our sins. The sainst are not worshipped either, but they are admired as heroes and the miracles performed are an obvious sign of favor from God. Their study is a study of hsitory, too. A lot happened between today an dwhen teh Bible was written and I see many faith blanking out that whole time period. I guess it is especally true of American made religions as many Americans really have no sense of history and only live for the now.

<<I’ve noticed that you are very quick to badmouth preachers that are not catholic and attempt to tarnish other religions>> I do atatck those who atatck Catholicism and many have no sense of history, like soem Baptist preacher claiming the baptists broke off from Catholicism. This shows great ignorance because in 1830, there were few Catholcis in America and except for Louisiana, there were very few Catholics in the southeastern US and they were most likely not of nay power where they were and were probably thretatened and bullied by the more popular religions in the area. The Southern Baptists, along with the Church of Christ, the other 250 sects of Baptists,a nd the Assembly of God, broke off from teh Presbyterians mainly, an dmaybe soem were Episcopalians. Of course, how many know that or even care. If nothing else ritual and tradition preserves history. Besides, the rite of the Mass is almost entirely taken from the Bible, so that can't be a bad ritual. What you reject is merely what you don't understand.

I admit I get harsh when attacking all ministers, though only a few are abd as only a few priests are bad, and mainly they are the ones who have modern contemporary values, dress in modern clothes and want married clergy. The rogue priests you mention shoudl not be copvered up, but expoused and burned at the stake. They are herectics and dissenters and should be dealt with accordingly. I do dislike that many ministers seem autonomous and unnacountable, plus I think tehy live too nicely and enjoy too higha standard of living for aman of God. I have a great deal of respect for Billy Graham, though I guess the ministers liek Jim and Tammy Baker, Jimmy Swaggart, Jesse Jackson (well he isn't a legitimate preacher but a true fraud), Jerry Falwell, Bob Jones, and Fred Phelps get the most coverage so it seems like they are more of them. I alos still maintain a low opinion of those who atatck my traditions and beliefs and call me a pope worshipper and basically expose their ignorance and their desire to not be confused by the facts. I also dislike how Adrian Rogers protetsed teh Pope's 1988 viist to New Olrenas about how we're not "going to bow to no Pope". I met Rogers and he seemed decent, but I guess it is no coinceidence about how those kids tormented my mother when she was ten. And to think in my grade school the kids who weren't Catholic were treated as something special and unique and in religion class we always asked them about their faith's practices. I imagine Daphne had the same experience. Granted, when it came to politics even at that young age we all supported Bush in 88 and hated David Duke so there were otehr things to unify us :)

<<However, I will not judge all Catholics by the misdeeds and sins of a lot of priests.>> It takes a certain discipline. It alos seems most of thsi crap occurs in American priests. Maybe if we imported more priests from the third world, we'd have more luck. I suspect a lot of sexaul abuse tales are made up by greedy families wshing to get their hands in teh so-called deep pockets of teh Catholic Church which is a laugh, since most of the wealth is not as liquid as a stock portfolio and is not to be sold for some gredy family with a lying kid. The otehr cases are real and the Church is working on changing tehir policy. I wish there were better ways to screen priests and to check for these types of perversions. I hope you don't think this is caused by celibacy. Jesus was celibate after all.

<<Even if it is wrong ;) j/k!>> OK, I'll have to have some priests in Missouri sneak into your house and baptise Zach now ;)

<<Anyway, I’m far from an expert on the Bible and I personally spend more time studying the NT instead of the OT. It applies to more of my daily life. >> Well, asoem of the stuff has good application in any time. The Book of Wisdom has soem excellent stuff along with Proverbs and Psalms is always good for the soul. I do like how the New Testament is focused more on one central figure, but I love how the Old Testamnet keeps a certain amount of History of the Jewish people, like the origin of Channuakah in Maccabbees, the books of Kings and of Samuel, the Apocalyptic literature of Daniel, the heroines featured in Esther and Judith, plus the tales of prophets like Tobit, Isiah, and hard to pronounce guys like Habakkuk. I don't knwo the Bible that well either, but I have a New American Bible with me. Granted my favorite version is the one with Michalengelo's Sistine Chapel in it (which is a New American Bible Micahelangelo Edition). It is amazing how Charleton Heston...errr Michelangelo did that at 90.

<<In fact, there are scriptures that say you are not to do this nor are you suppose to refer to anyone else as “father” – not in the parental sense, but in the spiritual sense.>> I refer to her as Mother and in hardly the way I refer to God. It was in the Crucifixion scene of John's Gospel that I knwo she is my Mother. I tend to have a special fondness for her, but it has only increased my own relationship with God. It has never had me substitute it. Before my Marian devotion I was not overly religious and was just going through the motions, plus I had a corrupt soul then and was even more self-centered than Imzadi. I do tend to view Mary as a substitute for my birth mother (who is amazingly named Mary Elizabeth), though I can never get along with my mother and I always feel I can talk to Mary and I feel she is always leading me to Jesus. Her main devotion, teh rosary has a crucifix that you kiss when you finish praying, plus the Sorrowful Mysteries focus on his trial and death. That reminds me about Lent approaching. What do you think about that? You amy like it as it is about Jesus' forty days an dteh dester leading up to Palm Sunday and ending with Good Friday and then Easter.

<<Priests that charge their parishioners a fee to say prayers for those who have already died?>> The dead still need prayers. It says so in Maccabees. I don't knwo of any who charge a fee. A priest will be given a stipend for his part in a funeral, but that isn't that odd. They are also paid for weddings or the Order is, if they are taking a Vow of Poverty like a Franciscan or a Jesuit.

Don't think that just because soemone is dead, they don't need our prayers. That is very unfortunate to those who have gone before us.

<<the devil, does bad things that God cannot prevent.>> He can, but God wants us to fight evil ourselves. Without inustice and evil, there is no heroism. No noble paladins or agenst of justice in the world. No martyrs either. God could destroy teh devil with no problem, but it is our struggle against evil that makes us grow and prosper.

DPH> <<Surely, Catholics wouldn't stop us from distrubuting the Bible, right?>> We have our own Bibles, but thanks for asking. We should be distributing our bibles (with a complete set of Old Testamnet books) and preaching among your strongholds. All we need is a table full of fidn chicken, gravy, chicken fried stak, corn bread, hamhocks and anything else that is ano no for the heart and every Baptist in the next three states will be there to listen :)

<<Some Baptist missionaries had trouble distrubuting copies of the Bible because of the Orthodox Church in Eastern Europe.>> Well, they have their own Bibels too and there are some huge differences in external stuff. The Catholcis could have a Baptist Rite that woudl have very similar rituals to that of a Baptist service, but the Orthodox are different in that regard plus often more tied to tehir nation, but their churches, vestments, and masses are nonetheless breathtaking and very colorful and have an artistic beauty that Catholcis don't have, but East and West are different so no big deal.

<< am pretty convinced that Catholics are off the track for worshipping Mary and being so ritualistic.>> Not to confuse you with teh truth but we don't worship Mary, though I guess when a sense of pure equality towards anyone outside of God is preached or maybe that's just what I view from New Age American made religions. Ritual is good and healthy, especially when it is derived from the Bible.

<> Lord knows I think teh same of many in your faith, like those kids taht tormented my mother. Before met a good friend in Memphis who was CSB, I thought Baptists were largely hillbillies and all were in the KKK, plus my only real knowledge of one was Bill Clinton, who I am glad to know is about as Baptist as Ted Kennedy is Catholic. I do however no longer consider you open-minded.

Ravyn> If I get Huachuca, I'll definitely let you know or Ft Bliss. Plus I'll be able to visit Starsinger.

Siryn> <<I'm the apostle who questioned Jesus if he was really nailed to the Cross. You are the person who's got the faith to believe that which is really cool. If I'm lucky enough to meet the Blessed Mother in the afterlife, I'd love to talk to her.>> Ironically, teh doubting guy was St. Thomas and I used to be more like him. Nothing like a loving Motehr to change you. None of the apostles were that faithful, except for Johnny who was with Jesus at his death while everyone else fled. Actually it is funny how the women were with Jesus and Mary got Jesus to perform his first miracle when he said he wasn't ready. Plus I find it amusing how some sects of Christianity have such a negative view of alchohol when Jesus uses it in his first miracle.

It is funny you mention Hinduism,a s there are people who actually worship Mary there. She has been accepted into their pantheon. I think Mother Teresa also got that honor. Well, I'd rather be the guest of a Hindu who worshipped Mary than one devoted to Kali.

There are different versions of teh word myth and one is a reference to ancient tales and stories not just fanciful legends. Amercia has myths about George Washington and the Old West so it seems common with every culture, even new ones, plsu Americans can more easily create legends we really lack a sense of history.

I know that Hinduism is not as polytheistic since all of these gods are subsets of Atman Brahman and his low cost noodles sold in Quckie Marts everywhere ;)

<> Well, I can realte and ometimes you need a Mother's embrace. Plus the saints are also cool becaus eof their history. To learn tehir history and life is to learn of how someone lived if a vastly differnet time, plus it teaches humility as soemone liek St. Bernadette who was slow and not very intelligent was a great servant and served God lovingly even while slowly dying. I also imagine you like the patron saint of Anthropolgy, though I can't find one in catholic.org

<<however, there have been scholars who have posed questions because of the celebration and praying to saints to speak to God on your behalf>> I wonder about these scholars. Then again the Enlightenment shoudl have stuck to Science and more nose-to-the-grindstone stuff than declaring tehri expertise on subject sthey knew so littel about. Carl Sagan was a briliiant astrophysicist but I find him to alos be arrogant and I think he should stick to astrophysics instead of putting down astrology (and I have no problem with astrology as long as it is used as a form of analysing a pattern and not to predict) and his geopolitical commentary is good for toilet paper.

<<it may seem dark 10th century.>> Age of Gargoyles, right on!! The 10th century was actually a golden age of learning and while feudalism was a failure, the Dark Ages of teh recent fall of Rome (an apocalyptic event really) was quite gone and the Crusades while they did some bad stuff led to the spice trade and the discovery of America. I am also fond of pre-Medieval late ancient philosophy like that of St. Augustine and St. Jerome, along with teh Councils of Nicea and Ephesus. Those were probably the best days of Christianity before the Mercahnt princes took over.

<<If Joseph having relations with Mary would be considered adultry, I'm not sure God would have had Mary get married in the first place.>> I try not to understand God. Afterall, he created the platypus, and cockroaches. I'll never understand that one.

<<and that comment about Jimmy Swaggart.. >> He called Catholics pope worshippers. I'm gald he got caught with a hooker in New Orleans. My parenst sent me to a first assembly pre-school. I am so greatful I went to Holy Name. My fatehr told me about how he visited one of my teachers at taht church and he was laughing about it or trying to be too unkind in hsi comments. Of course, my mother's cracks about Jehova's Witnesses are almost as bad ;)

<<It takes guts to go into a forum, stand up and express your beliefs..even if everyone in the room is against that, it takes courage and I respect that and admire it to.)>> Thanks, but it's nothing when you consider what the irish had to put up with.

I love hsitory and anthropology is interesting. I doubt it would affect my faith any, but I do enjoy teh study of ancient cultures and seeing certain origins in our own behavior.

I also accept the theory of Evolution but as a God directed phonemon. I hope to see myself as a kind fo Cavalier paladin with Mary as my lady to champion and a rosary for a shield, with a rose as my emblem, though with a griffon included consdering my own heraldry. I do belong to the Confraternity of the rosary, though.

I also wish I could make G2002 but I can't afford it with other trips. I wish I could go.

Christine> I know we'd have disagreements, but I still love you and if I get Ft Lewis I'll be buggingt the Hell out of you on weekends :)

Jaden> What is your MOS? Being an E-4 promotabel and getting PLDC is still good. I may be going to teh board in a few months and now taht I think about it, I'll try for E-5, but it will be difficult with the high cutoff scores. I plan to go to Lawschool and return as JAG.

With further ado, Goodnight and St. Isidore, patron siant of the Internet, pray for uS

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Friday, February 8, 2002 03:20:02 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

**Winterwolf wanders in**

Hi everybody. Been extra busy these past few days and I figured I'm overdue a short post. **starts reading through comments**

Spacebabie> <saw an announcement for the new story for Timedancer. Then I woke up for real> I had to reread that cause for a second I thought the new season started. Don't tease like that! ;P

Warpmind> Congrats!

Lexy> Thanks for the link! I cast my vote. **crosses fingers** :)

Ravyn>Good luck with the apartment! As for advice well I'd carefully go over all the rules and find out what utilities (water, electric, etc) are included in the rent. That would give you the best estimate of what you'd be spending a month. Also you should carefully look over the place and report any little things like nail holes, paint chipping, dents and other things that were like that before you moved in so that you have less headaches when you move out. Anyway I'm sure you already thought of all that already. Dreamie and I wish you god luck and are happy you found a nice place. ^_^

Shadowrider> Dreamie lurks and says hi. Now I just need to get her posting again. ;) <vampires and holy symbols> I think it is more the fact that is is supposed to be holy or blessed.

Josh> <<<Maybe you need some new commissions too while your at it>>: Nope. Can't afford them.> Dreamie's comment to that was "What you can't afford a can of whip cream?" :D

Okay I'm caught up now. Bye bye everybody!

**Winterwolf wanders off**

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Friday, February 8, 2002 02:27:03 PM
IP: 172.180.229.228

Well I got my paper back. This is the grade A-/B+ Not too shabby

I would have posted yesterday but I was still suffering from a guilt trip from the night before. I was trimming the snags and clots from Velvet’s coat and I accidentally nicked her ear. I cleaned it up and blotted it and swabbed on some antibacterial medicine. It has scabbed over but I still feel bad about causing her the pain.

I had a weird dream. It started when I met Lady Mystic. She handed me a note about something. Then the gathering started here in Orlando and was moving to Williamsburg. So everyone had to get on the same plane. Then I woke up and turned on the computer went to TGS and saw an announcement for the new story for Timedancer. Then I woke up for real.

Firestorm<<<But Angela is FAR from satisfied!>>>So should she have a threesome between Broadway and Brooklyn? Like I said flesh is always better.

GXB<<<YAY!!!>>> I look forward to seeing you as well.

Sevarius Jr<<<Sometimes Christians seem to forget that Jesus was flesh and blood too.>>> I know Jesus made number two, had gas, vomited, and had morning wood as well. He was human.

Josh<<>> I have always hated math.<<<OUCH! That is SO not cool!>>>Hey DC deserved it!<<<Well at least its not causing him any more trouble.>>>True that.<<<Farmers don't make 100-200/hr>>>Depends on the farmer.<<>>I didn’t say you drank<<<Get hit on by a lot of waiters?>>>Yup

Green Baron<<<That and Timmy make up for anything that bugs me in the show. I also like Mecha Streissand, the Super-Best Friends, and the Civil War re-enactment scene.>>>Nothing about the show bugs me. Well only a few slight things have but it was minor.

Lexxy>>>Hey thanks for popping in again.

Spacebabie
Orlando, Florida
Friday, February 8, 2002 01:01:21 PM
IP: 67.25.55.90

Jan > thanks, but I think I'm up to speed after last night's, and I'll just keep my eyes open for the re-run. Hope things are going great with baby Zach!

Warpmind > sent you an e-mail about it.

Fire Storm > thank you ever so very much, dahling! ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, February 8, 2002 12:34:28 PM
IP: 64.24.187.180

I never knew until yesterday that informed decsion-making was an effective scare tactic.
yesterday I found out that none of the sororities on campus want. Here, that's pretty rare; only two of us this year, and four last year.
I was really upset, so I looked into it. All anyone could tell me was that many people hd noticed that I had taken notes during the info sessions, and that made some of the sisters feel intimidated.
Now, if any of you had ever seen me in real life, you'd be laughing hysterically at the idea of me intimidating anyone.
But hearing this piece of information made me feel empowered: the Greek system fears me! [evil laughter]

oh, I have nothing against those who are involved, btw. This is an isolated incident; the greek system on this campus is not for me. Other places, I'm sure it's great for other people. but here.... [evil laughter resumes...]

God bless!
Daphne
anywhere but Greece
Friday, February 8, 2002 12:23:19 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

GSide> ahhh ok. Not being a catholic myself, I always thought that immaculate conception meant that she conceived without actually having sex. What is this "original sin" that ya'll keep referring to? I thought the original sin was Eve disobeying God and allowing greed to take over. ?

Patrick> Hey! I got the joke!! I'm not *that* old... wait, yes I am. argh ;p

GregB> I keep forgetting to tell you that I have laughed so hard at your George Carlin quote! *L* That's a good one *nodnodnod*

Today is the "birthday" of Boy Scouts of America. *scout salute*

gotta' get to work.... You know, I *could* enter someone into the computer as having a warrant ;) Of course, it would be discovered that it was in error - but in the meantime, they'd be arrested, brought into jail, etc. hehe *evil grin*
Jan
Friday, February 8, 2002 08:13:33 AM
IP: 12.110.237.39

"Making donuts" > I guess you'd have to be old enough to remember the old Dunkin Donuts commercials to get the reference. Kids today... spoiled by Krispy Kreme. ;)

Religion comments > I've heard more than one preacher say that praying to Mary and other saints disobeys the commandment "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." But I guess Catholicism has its own reasoning. Me, I'm of the belief that anyone can pray to God / Jesus directly, and you don't need a saint to be an intermediary or pay a priest or nun to do it for you.

Fire Storm > I know the rating level of this comment room is slipping, but was the coarse language in those "ER" spoilers truly necessary? There are more polite ways to convey the same information in mixed company.

Warpmind > You know, your Microsoft training certificate plus 39 cents will now get you a super-size fries and drink at any McDonald's or Burger King. ;)
:: heads off to his cubicle ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, February 8, 2002 07:22:14 AM
IP: 66.72.203.41

*Warpmind strolls in, looking vaguely cheerful.*
Hullo, gang. Last day on the course I'm attending. And I'm getting papers proving I'm an expert on Microsoft Excel. (Huzzah. I'm almost excited.)

Christine: No rush. The humor issue shouldn't be due until... next year, right? ;)

Green Baron: Well, why do you *think* I flung out a nonlethal, highly annoying curse? };)

Fire Storm: Eh? Need credit card... oh, you got yourself one of those 7th Edition balls, with the built-in tracking system? *Hands over a small leaflet* You know, those can be anonymized ridiculously easily, much like geting a zone-free DVD player... };)

Gside: Point. *Makes note to randomly supply BAD Sailor Scout jokes over the near future...*

Well, gotta get back to playing solitaire and playing MP3s; later, everyone.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, February 8, 2002 03:39:11 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

Fire Storm> <<Hard posted some plain text welcome screen saying that he just dosn't feel like making the comic without the board>>: Ah. I missed that. I only caught a bunch of pop ups and now the blank page. I hardly ever go to the board anyway.

Imzadi> <<"The Blue Oyster" (ten points to anyone who catches that reference)>>: The gay bar from Police Acadamy, as well as the Cult that did Don't Fear the Reaper.
<<Sorry, I already have a toady>>: Just one?
<<Right next to Lewis Black>>: If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
<<Unless she's into using food in her sex play>>: I've heard there are amazing things you can do with a cucumber.
<<You mean you don't already?>>: Well, I do, but I havent' seen anyone else doing any lately.

Warpmind> <<And you think the *other* kinds don't>>: Oh, they do, it's just that Sailor Moon's more insidious.

Ravyn> <<He's an older man that's *very* easily confused and distracted>>: One of my younger teachers got off track for a good while on the definition of even and odd. In a 400 level course.

Fire Storm> <<A friend saw a place? Sounds like the makings of a myth to me!>>: True, but at least this is one that you too can question.
<<What kinda man are you?>>: 22 year old unicorn bait. Sad, no?
<<Got replaced with a course in punishment>>: Proper use of comfy chairs?
<<one on not being seen>>: What's the survival rate for that one? And is that where they get all their spam?

Jan> <<This was immaculate conception.. there were no sexual relations between Mary and the Holy Spirit>>: As I'm sure the baron will point out, the Immaculate Conception was the conception of Mary without original sin, while the conception of Jesus is calleed something else entirely.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Friday, February 8, 2002 01:11:04 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Hey everyone! Just reminding ppl, if they haven't gone already, to go and vote for Gargoyles on DVD!!

http://psc.disney.go.com/disneyvideos/moviefinder/products/0596803.html
Lexy
Friday, February 8, 2002 01:07:45 AM
IP: 66.31.222.137

What's up everyone? I'm almost done with my guard and I can't wait to finally have a day off. I was about to go crazy.

Greg<this is one reason why I would never join the military> Too bad I didn't think of that.

Fleur- Yeah I hope it gets better soon too.

Green Baron- I thought I had signed on for a 70 series, but they liiiiiiiied to me. Anyway I was told that I probably won't make e5 unless I re-up. For some reason they aren't promoting as fast as they used to. I don't think I'd try if they were, better someone who is planning to go career than someone who wants to leave with a burning passion. Believe me when I say that this place is getting worse and worse.

Gotta go
Later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 7, 2002 11:33:17 PM
IP: 172.180.66.98

Hi, I usually just lurk here, but I felt I had to say something. I am a Catholic, I'm not the most devout Catholic on earth, but when people criticize the religion (not the church but the religion itself) I sort of cringe. I don't cringe because it's being criticized, either. I cringe because the people who cry "I can be whatever faith I want!" are the same people who will turn around and call Catholicism "old," "outdated," and sometimes, "wrong." It's very hypocritical, isn't it?
If I were to come in here, as a Catholic, and say that everyone else's faith was "wrong" or "stupid" or "ritualistic," people would say that I'm being close-minded and trying to force my opinions and views about religion upon others. Yet, if someone was to say Catholicism was stupid or whatever, they'd be considered "thinkers" and "expressing their opinion." And any Catholics who take offense or try and defend themselves are as outdated and wrong as their backwards "10th century" religion. But guess what-- there wouldn't be Protestantism if there were no Catholicism and there are certainly faiths much older and more "outdated" and "ritualistic" than Catholicism... just that no one would DARE criticize THEM.

Well, I'm off.
Elaine
Thursday, February 7, 2002 11:05:28 PM
IP: 64.12.102.157

Fire Storm> ahhh yes, making meth… it’s very profitable… but also extremely dangerous. When working with all of the gas and other flammable ingredients, one slip up and it could cost you your life. However, “cookers” also enjoy the *power* that it gives them… they control the users. I know of several incidents that the cookers would take just about anything in trade for their product – including the SO of a user. (Most cookers are males, so they receive the girlfriend or wife of a user) They also know that the user/buyer will pay anything for their product. So, they make a lot of money selling the product.
I didn’t see or at least I don’t remember the episode of ER that had the meth in the IV bags. It sounds as if it would have been a good one!
I don’t feel sorry for the users either. Meth is a destroyer of life and those who are addicted made that choice the first time they were weak enough to be subjected to it. It’s not like they weren’t aware of the dangers of it. I feel sad that they have made this particular choice… that they were that stupid to begin with.

Siryn> I didn’t read anything that should have been taken offensive in your view point concerning your beliefs. I’m afraid that GB is being a tad oversensitive about anyone who says anything that he considers opposite of what he believes in.
You articulated your beliefs well and with clarity. I enjoyed reading what you had to say. I even agree with most of it! (The catholic stuff is what I don’t believe in… the “saints”, “praying to Mary”, etc.) To me and in my beliefs, there is no one else except God/Jesus/Holy Spirit that you are to pray to.
I respect your right and I respect GB’s right to believe and worship how he is most comfortable.
I really did enjoy reading your post and I hope to see more of your POV’s in the future! :)

Ravyn> congrats on finding a possible apartment! Does the landlord have a list of references from former tenants that you could contact? Ask around and see if anyone has lived in the apts. or knows of anyone… look in the kitchen sink cabinet (underneath the sink) for any mouse droppings or roach activity… look for water stains in the ceilings or around the window sills… and really pay attention to the smell of the place. Other than these things.. there’s not much more you can do to insure that you are getting into a decent place.

Christine> after I watch the ER tape, I’ll be more than happy to send it to you if you’d like :)

Lain> <"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)> Basically this is God stating that He is the only God and therefore controls everything and takes responsibility for it. You need to read the entire chapter to get the full context of what He is saying. Also, I don’t believe that the OT ever talks of specifics of that dualism in which God does good things and his “equal”, the devil, does bad things that God cannot prevent. The Lord is the only God thus takes ultimate responsibility for all things.
The OT was during a period of time when God was much harsher than in the NT.
Once again though, it necessary to read the entire context of the whole chapter or at least read before and after to be able to decipher what a particular scripture is talking about. So many times a single scripture can and is taken out of context and turned into something else entirely different than what it’s intended to mean. Just as an example, whoever made mention that one time about God being on the toilet. If read in it’s entirety, they would see that it was NOT God, but it was a mockery towards the idol gods.
Anyway, I’m far from an expert on the Bible and I personally spend more time studying the NT instead of the OT. It applies to more of my daily life.

GB> <By being the bride of the Holy Spirit, her sexual relations with St. Joseph would be adulterous.> No, that’s not the way it was. She was not the “bride” of the Holy Spirit in the same sense as one would consider a bride. <<unconsummated marraige makes Jesus illegitimate >> This was immaculate conception.. there were no sexual relations between Mary and the Holy Spirit. The baby Jesus was placed in her womb by supernatural powers.
Yes, Mary was an extraordinary woman to have been chosen to be the earthly mother of Jesus and for that she deserves respect and admiration, but she does not equal that of Jesus and therefore should not be prayed to. In fact, there are scriptures that say you are not to do this nor are you suppose to refer to anyone else as “father” – not in the parental sense, but in the spiritual sense.
I’ve noticed that you are very quick to badmouth preachers that are not catholic and attempt to tarnish other religions… shall we discuss the priests that sexually abuse alter boys? Priests that charge their parishioners a fee to say prayers for those who have already died? (which makes it too late to pray for them anyway) or how about the illegal mishandlings of church funds within the Catholic Church? The list could go on and on against the catholic churches and their representatives. However, I will not judge all Catholics by the misdeeds and sins of a lot of priests.
*chuckles* Yes, we do have differing POV’s when it comes to religion, but as it’s been said many times before – respect is the key to keeping it all civil. You do respect my religious preference as I respect yours. I don’t agree with yours, but I do respect your right to believe that way…. Even if it is wrong ;) j/k!

Josh> <<Berkeley's philosophy department is one of the best in the country (supposedly)>> I agree with GB on this one… engineering yes, but for everything else… *shrugs* not any better than most colleges/universities. Berkeley also has a remarkable increase in cheating among the students. *L*
<<We have a lot of christians, and none of them seem to agree>> hence all of the different churches and religions ;)
<< All I know is that there's tissues back there...>> and you would know this… how? *giggles*

Revel> awww c’mon… we won’t tell ;)

We received a Billy Bad ass today. He’s here to testify in a trial. He is a resident of our most maximum-security prison where he has already racked up 32 prison offenses – including murder. He has a shaved head and is a ripe age of a whole 21. I don’t know what his original conviction was to land him in DOC, but he’s sure not a good example of how prison is a corrective program. Then again - it’s not a corrective program - it’s a punishment. Our inmates are a bunch of whiney babies… hello? It’s JAIL.

Lady Mystic> wow! Fabulous job and thanks again for all of the time, energy, effort and professionalism that you’ve put into all of the work that you do for this group of garg fans! =)

Anna completed the paperwork with the attorney today. The papers will be served to the donor on Sunday. After he signs them, he will have 30 days to contest them – but that will require him coming here or hiring an attorney from here to represent him (after what I paid for the attorney today, there’s no way he can afford one to fight this). There is a chance that at a later date he can decide to file for visitation rights, but at that time, he will still have to fight it on our territory, pay for it, and then IF he ever received visitation rights, he will also receive a judgment for child support for the next 21 years. But, I’m really not overly concerned about him doing any of that… he doesn’t want the responsibility of having a child – he just wants strutting rights. Whatever, the looser can strut all he wants as long as he stays there and we are here.

Time to spend a few more moments with Zach before I call it a night.

Jan
Thursday, February 7, 2002 11:01:33 PM
IP: 12.110.236.125

GXB - if you leave alone, I can be cold, calculating, and manipulative [setting other people up to do things I'd rather not do for one reason or another]. My anger stays within me, most of the time. Dealing with my dad (or extreme frustration) brings it out. I don't care about ground hogs *that* much, just enough to make things even. Being around my friend cools me off quite a bit.

Green Baron - <If teh Virgin Mary was just soem other women, she woudl not be visited by the Archangel Gabriel who declared her full of grace.> She was visited because she was chosen to be Jesus's earthly mother, nothing more and nothing else. I am pretty convinced that Catholics are off the track for worshipping Mary and being so ritualistic.

I believe that Orthodox Church may be worse, though. Some Baptist missionaries had trouble distrubuting copies of the Bible because of the Orthodox Church in Eastern Europe. Surely, Catholics wouldn't stop us from distrubuting the Bible, right?

Green Baron - We all have a dark side. I just prefer to keep it under control more than GXB does.

Imzadi - <You mean you didn't know it off the top of your head?> Memorizing formulas isn't as import as knowing how to derive the formulas.

Silvadel - <Part of the problem I have with shooting for money, is what would I want to do with the money?> Share it with your CR friends. Seriously, there's reaching the point where you can live off the interest from a checking/savings account.

Imzadi - <We have a lot of christians, and none of them seem to agree.> We can agree some basics. I believe if we go back to the basics and work our way upwards, you'll find differences start showing up where things depart from the Bible.

It was funny that several Catholics showed up an eternity house and left before going through counseling. I am saying that because there are many Catholics are not quite right with lots of beliefs.

I am beginning to understand why rent is so high: cost of maintance. No comment about how much work is going to be involved in making a trailer that my grandmother lived in ready for my friend to move in.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, February 7, 2002 10:46:55 PM
IP: 204.94.193.16

I'm really sorry...
I forgot to mention that I have sent a TGS CR Member profile draft to Mooncat and await her reply. :)
Lady Mystic
Thursday, February 7, 2002 09:30:39 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Real quick.

Ravyn: I'll email you later tonight. I'd like to run the apartment info by FS first. (I need to wait until he gets home from work.) Congrats on all of the wonderful news. **hugs** ;)

Jan: Congrats on the new grandson! He's so adorable! :)
<<freeservers.com>>
Cool! That's FS's webspace provider as well! Out of curiosity, how did you decide to use Freeservers?

Speaking of FS's site... It hasn't been updated because they changed our account features. Our FTP access was discontinued so if we wanted to update the site we'd have to use their online wizard, which could erase all content uploaded via FTP. We really don't feel like dealing with that so the site is on hiatus until we can move it to our own server.

Josh: <>
Thanks for the feedback. I'll probably stick with the new layout since no one else (aside from FS, who preferred 1B and 2A) seems to have an opinion on the issue.
<<I'd also like to suggest putting a link to the member profiles at the top of the CR, where all the other links are.>>
Already in the works! Of course, it won't be an instantaneous update, mind you. ;)

Everyone: Thanks for all your appreciation of my work! I really appreciate it and am so glad you are pleased with the material! :) **hugs**
Lady Mystic - [<-- GMC2004 bid]
Thursday, February 7, 2002 09:24:50 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

***** TGS CR INFORMATION *****

CR MEMBERS SECTION:

Fire Storm's and Greg Bishansky's profile pages have been revised.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/fire_storm.html
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/greg_bishansky.html

As a result of the revised profiles, the location and Gathering stats were updated.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/location.html
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/gatherings.html

The guidelines and submission form were slightly updated. Changes involved more detailed editing directions and an additional field for changing account email addresses.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/guidelines.html

CR UPDATE:

I'm currently preparing TGS illustrations for use in the CR. I will upload pics as I finish them. Please hold off on requesting pics until I finish preparing all images. I will announce when I am done. :)

I have made a few beta pages of the new CR and Add Comment pages. Once I go over them with FS I'll upload them to a temp folder and ask for feedback before sending them off to Gorebash. :)

***** END TGS CR INFORMATION *****

TGS STAFF (NEED REPLY):

I've been wondering if it's still all right for me to update the TGS website. (I got permission to do so months ago, but just want to make sure plans haven't changed since then.) If it's all right, please let me know what you would like added, omitted, altered, and left alone. My main objective would be to fix broken links, update navigation, and make the site look more uniform throughout. (I would probably use the CR info section as a design template, so-to-speak.) Please let me know if this is all right with you. :)
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Thursday, February 7, 2002 08:52:39 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Hey, is anyone else having problems getting to the GFW?

Greg Bishansky: <They'll have to wait for X-Mas. I've got the lyrics and they include what Kenny is saying. Funny stuff. >
I don't know what Kenny says, but it MUST be bad!

Jan: 
Using and MAKING meth! A few years ago, the ER blew up because some staff members were transporting ether in IV bags.
<The more I learn about the stuff the more I’m amazed at how stupid people are that use it.>
I have no sympathy for those idiots.

Gside: <Apparently Warpmind's seen some place that sells it>
A friend saw a place? Sounds like the makings of a myth to me!
<So how do I get some, or do I have to pay?>
Let me see... *Pulls up some pages*
Hmm... free chat... free hardcore sex... OH! Here is SOME stripping... Anime tentacle porn videos...
Na. You can get it for free.
<Find somone else. I really do shy away from vulgarities in my language>
What kinda man are you?

Dennis Leary's "Lord of the @$$hole" song
<Live or dead? And any courses in arguing?>
Nope. Got replaced with a course in punishment. BUT they DO have a Spam course, and one on not being seen.

Imzadi: 
But his heart made of glass site is still being updated.
<They won't come out my firewire port>
I wonder... are there any 1394 or USB sex toys?
<Dead parrots?>
Nothing but the best.
<Video games. Don't ask how I got the strippers>
2 birds with one stone: Duke Nukem 3d

And I say F$ck you, I am deleting Windows.
<Probably just satisfaction of knowing you got there first>
But I can tell even when blindfolded!
<Mac isn't a company. Apple doesn't, no>
Details, details...
<They make dual processor systems, and there is some speculation that OS X makes it lucrative for them to push more processors, but quite frankly they're not prepared to enter the server market>
Hm. Oh well.

Depends. Does she invite her friends over sometimes?
<Yeah, there's a shocker. Unless she's into using food in her sex play>
HmmmMMM... *evil thoughts*
<A goddam?>
And God spoke to the Engineer:
Thou shall build a dam 47 cubits by 17 cubits, and...
"Now hold on for a minute. A dam with those specs isn't going to hold back anything, let alone a flood!"
Well, I...
"And what material?"
Um...
"What about envrionmental regulations"
...
I'll get back to you.
<They should stop slacking and get jobs>
DAMN STRAIGHT!

Warpmind: <You went and REGISTERED your crystal ball, didn't ya?>
Yeah right! Somehow she made it so you need a credit card to get in most of the rooms in her house.
<"Brooklyn Bad Ass" DOES look like he just walked out of the Blue Oyster Bar>
I MUST re-write that lost story of mine...

Christine: <you taped last week's ER? The one with Mark and Elizabeth's baby?>
REALLY? Hmm... Then let me tell you what (didn't) happen!
*** NOT REALLY ER SPOILERS! ***

Well, some dude was hi on Meth and came over to have sex with Dr. Green's older daughter. Well, some very well shot sex scenes later, the BF leaves, BUT accidently drives his car into the house, causing it to collapse and hurting the baby.

Oh, and the lesbian doctor didn't get any pussy, BUT she got some of the OTHER side! (This one is true, if only because of a bad joke!)

*** END NOT REALLY ER SPOILERS! ***
Fire Storm
Thursday, February 7, 2002 07:41:29 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Howdy, all! :)

Well, today I got to tour my first choice for apartment living! I really liked the place ... it's a studio apartment, so it's not much, but believe me, I don't need much, and this is more than I'm used to! ;) The price is something I can actually afford too, so things are looking good ... :) The lady landlord who runs the place is very, very sweet and nice too ... and also very professional.

Does anyone have any advice about what I should be careful about, or look for, or ask, or anything like that before I apply to this place? I'm going to apply as soon as I can (probably next week sometime) and then it's on to see if I'm approved for a lease!

In other news, Thermodynamics sucks ... well, at least when you have a teacher like I do! He's an older man that's *very* easily confused and distracted ... plus, our first exam was yesterday ... and he forgot to run off copies of the exam for everyone. So we had to wait 10 minutes of the test day, until he could finish running off the copies. Then he tried to set up some sort of seating arrangement for the test that didn't work ... so we ended up with only about 30 minutes to do these terribly confusing Thermodynamics problems for our first exam. Dang.

LM> Great job on all the profiles and updates. I especially like getting to read all the interesting profiles! :)

Josh> Congrats on the job offers. I'm so jealous. ;)

GB> <<Ft. Huachuca>> Wow!!! If you need any information about the surrounding area or atmosphere or anything on this place, be sure to drop me a line ... that's where I grew up, so I can tell ya *anything* you want to know.

Coyote> **huggles and smooches** Hey, wonderful. :)
Ravyn
Thursday, February 7, 2002 07:23:36 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Ack...

sorry for posting three times today..just want to TRY to clear things up. (last post, promise!)

GB> Gahh..I don't know what to tell you..I never meant to hurt YOUR feelings..I just saw that everyone was expressing their beliefs..so I expressed mine about the subject. I'm trying to think of the best way to phrase this..talking about these things in person is hard enough..let alone talking about them on the net when you can't see someone's facial expressions..so if I kinda mess up..please understand I have no intentions or means to hurt your or anyone else with my beliefs and opinions..because they're mine, and I don't expect people to always agree or disagree with them, or to change their own because of mine.

My religious views steam from different views from different pieces of religion and anthropology. I'm the apostle who questioned Jesus if he was really nailed to the Cross. You are the person who's got the faith to believe that which is really cool. If I'm lucky enough to meet the Blessed Mother in the afterlife, I'd love to talk to her. I mean, what she went through, took a strength that not many women had or have for that matter. The point is, I view all religions as we're worshipping the same diety,just in different ways, and all religions have their own stories to tell. I believe in miracles, and of miraculous occurances. All religions have a mythos to them, including Christianity. (yes..I know that sounds hurtful saying myth and Christianity in the same sentence...but understand I come from an Anthropologist background..I have learned to seperate faith from fact, so sometimes things that I believe are a little harsh and realistic.)That is where I was coming from. I never said Catholicism WAS polythestic, however, there have been scholars who have posed questions because of the celebration and praying to saints to speak to God on your behalf. I still pray to the saints and I still pray to Mary..quite a bit. I sometimes I feel like I can talk to her better than talking to God. If I was still Catholic, and someone said it was polytheistic, it wouldn't make me change anything. (in fact, for a while, I was considering Hinduism as a religion, because many of my beliefs were the same..which btw isn't as polythestic as you would think..) What makes my faith special to me, is the human side of the Holy family. Because to me, it makes the miraculous seem a bit closer to home. It makes it more believable for me.

I apologise for hurting your feelings GB, because that was never my intention. I respect your views very much (and I'm NOT just saying that. ;P) It takes guts to go into a forum, stand up and express your beliefs..even if everyone in the room is against that, it takes courage and I respect that and admire it to.) You have faith. And yes, to myself and other people, it may seem dark 10th century. But its what you believe in, and I would never want to take that belief away.

Is it my opinion, that believing that Mary our blessed mother, did not have relations with Joseph after the birth of Jesus is silly? Yes! It's my opinion! I believe God chose Joseph to look after both Mary and Jesus, as a loving Husband and stepfather. God sanctified their union as husband and wife til death. If Joseph having relations with Mary would be considered adultry, I'm not sure God would have had Mary get married in the first place.

Do I personally think you're silly for believing it? No. I know that might sound weird and hypocritical on my side, but I don't. I respect it. It's your opinion! You have a full right to express yours as I do mine. And, I'm sorry, I never meant to degrade your beliefs by speaking mine.

I mean...I won't take back what I said..because I said what I believe..I don't know what else to say. I feel bad for hurting your feelings, it wasn't my intention, so I apologize and ask forgiveness for that.

And to be quite honest, neither of us really know the REAL story..and we probably won't until we get to meet Mary ourselves. I don't want to start a fight and I don't want to hurt your feelings..especially over Mary, because in the end it really doesn't matter. It's having a love for God, what he/she stands for, and caring for and respecting your fellow brothers and sisters in this world.

I NEVER meant to 'attack' your beliefs by expressing mine. I feel bad for hurting your feelings, but if you say "I don't mind she disagrees with me, or holds certain views" Then go on about how I hurt you for saying my views...I really don't know what to say? :/ So...I hoped I cleared things up...and I apologise if I just made them worse. I love debates..and all I wanted to do was post my viewpoints and beliefs of the subject, just like it seems EVERYONE here has been doing so (not on this subject but of others).

I mean..it hurts me to be said to be 'attacking' your beliefs..because I never intended to do so (I thought I made that clear in my original statement)...and that comment about Jimmy Swaggart..

I'm sorry. That's all I can say. Believe me or not..but if it makes such a big deal to me posting..especially expressing MY beliefs..which NEVER meant any insult towards yours...I'll just go back to only talking when I have Gathering News.

Btw, new updates lots of goodies...go have fun gargs and goyles...

Siryn
Thursday, February 7, 2002 05:03:16 PM
IP: 24.93.24.62

Well, the snow is gone, has been for a while. It was funny though, I got to sleep in yesterday morning because they cancelled class until 10 am. No morning calss! but still have to do the reading.
Oringinally I was not going to respond to Josh, I was going to let his imagination run wild, but I see that Jan is poking me on my earler statement as well. To answer you, no, it was better than that. So much so I still smile when I think about it. That is all I'm going to say.

Josh- If you are refering to that scene in Police Academey that was not what I had in mind when I made it. It is actually Lynati's fanfic Brooklyn.

"FOOOOOOOD!!!!"

-Me-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, February 7, 2002 03:30:32 PM
IP: 129.120.230.108

dont worry GB.. im not pickin on ya... i just dont believe ANY of it. *ESPACIALLY* if it involves power-point......
lain
Thursday, February 7, 2002 01:55:26 PM
IP: 64.228.198.212

oh hear ye, methinks i be about to *agree* with sj *AND* jannie on something.. everyone.. youd better sit down..

right so.."after this he went down to capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days." (john 2:12) now.. of course jesus *IS* known to say that any who follow him are his "brothers" but here, the use of the separate terms "brethren" and "deciples" would kinda indicate they were two groups, not one and the same.

okay, everyone can stand up now. im finished with the agreeing part. ;)

you want something fun to chew over? try this:

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

and all the christians who are after MY soul are after trying to convince me that GOD is all good. why doesnt GOD agree with them? anyone?
o.O
feel free to enlighten the heathen..

"if you havent heard of me, i wouldnt be surprised,
i betcha know my relatives, their names will never die,
my mother is a saint, and my brother is a GOD..
but all i am is jesus' brother bob!

i have to pay the ferry, to cross the galilee,
but not my brother, *TISK* no not HIM! he walks across for free..
i finally get to work, at a quarter after nine,
already hes turning water into wine!

one day when i was home, i heard a mighty roar,
there were a thousand people, right outside the door,
"help us jesus, help us!" came the cheering from the mob,
but.. then they got a look at me, "oh nuts, its only bob!"

he died upon the cross, i thought that i was free,
finally, people would get to know me.. for *me*
("hey bob" "hey there, judas")
this was my big chance, to finally get ahead,
the next thing you know, hes risisng from the dead!

jesus' brother bob,
jesus' brother bob,
a nobody relative of the son of GOD,
if only id been born just a little sooner,
id be more than the brother of GOD jr.."

-arrogant worms, "jesus' brother bob"
lain
the Great White North
Thursday, February 7, 2002 01:15:03 PM
IP: 64.228.198.212

It seems I made a mistake in expressing certain beleifs of mine. I can understand where SJ is coming from, considering his own faith and upbringing and if he actually had any dogma, I'd probably have lots of issues with it.

What hurt was Siryn's comments. I don't mind that she disagrees with me, or taht she holds differnet views, after all she is a Universalist, but I find that calling my beliefs silly is malicious. It may require a lot of faith, but it is not some stupid piece of superstition. Some people are confused about devotion and worship. Building a statue is not an act of idolatry, unless you follow some preacher from Bob Jones University in a 2,000 dollar suit who has a mistress stashed away.

These comments are not going to make me rescind my beliefs. Perhaps it has taught me to be careful about what to say, especially now that I am some superstitious fool stuck in the middle ages.

If teh Virgin Mary was just soem other women, she woudl not be visited by the Archangel Gabriel who declared her full of grace. By being the bride of the Holy Spirit, her sexual relations with St. Joseph would be adulterous. Frankly I can no more imagine Mary having sex than I can consider humping my other mother named Mary. Yes, I have a greater love and respect for Mary than my mother. Is that wrong? Am I wrong to put God first and the Virgin Mary second?

St. Joseph is a saint. He is Jesus' stepfather and an honorable man who lived a good life. The apostles are also saints. Juan Diego who was visited by Mary in Guadalepe will be canonized in this year. He will be anotehr saint. Soon, Mother Teresa will be, and one day Pope John Paul II will be. St. Jude inspired Danny Thomas to fund a hospital and a great deal of cancer research. St. Patrick is one of teh most celebrated saints in the United States. St. Thoams Aquinas was one of the greatest philosophers of teh medieval world. I do not need to defend myself, though I feel as if my beleifs are attacked. I guess I made the mistake of expressing them. There are probably some people who don't consider Catholics to be Christian. I don't care, they are entitled to their thoughts and they can answer to God for them. May all who attack Catholicism be caught like Jimmy Swaggart was.

Enough of this, I won't back down from my beliefs, even under pain of death. I am not a polytheist and I am a Christian, but I am not some modernist who will denounce everything prior to the Enlightenment as fanciful superstition.

Now on to replies.

Siryn> The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being conceived without Original Sin.

<<And yes, that makes it debateable whether or not Catholicism is really a polytheistic section of the Christian religion. (Even Joseph himself is a saint! ;)>> That too is very hurtful and I expected to hear it from Bob Jones, Jack T Chic, or Jerry Falwell, but not from you.

Warpmind> You should talk to my mother. She can't stand Jehovas Witnesses. She doesn't particularly like Baptists either, but it has to do with her being ten and moving to Virginia suburbs of DC. The kids there were all Baptist and thought my mother was a devil spawn and a foreigner, becuase she was a redheaded Irish Catholci from NYC. Their teacher told my grandmother that my mother didn't hav eto make the morning prayer since "Catholcis don't pray". Well my grandmother is an Irish and German Catholic and won't take any shit from some born again bigot so she set that teacher straight and probably kcked her all the way back to her moonshine still. My mother also can't stand Hillary Clinton and is disgusted that she represents her birthplace.

Imzadi> <<What is it that makes carnal acts bad? They are REQUIRED, last time I checked. I'm not trying to say that Mary was a bad person, or anything of the sort.>> They are good, but not required. Bill and Hillary never had sex, either...well with each other. It is merely a part of my faith, though if you think about it...an unconsummated marraige makes Jesus illegitimate and that makes him even more of a radical figure for his time. Siblings were never mentioned when he was twelve and if they had kids, they'd have had some by the time Jesus was twelve.

<<Oh please. No faith uses their book specifically and exclusively for development of the faith. Don't get such an inflated view of religion>> I agree, but that's the claim of scriptum solorum. I don't see anything in the bible against other books. I agree with you and I would be worried if any faith exclsuively used the Bible, especially an incomplete one at that.

<<No, it really isn't. Trust me. Berkeley's philosophy department is one of the best in the country (supposedly) and I found myself feeling like my time was wasted...in an ethics class.>> I find that hard to swallow. I'll agrre that Berkely has superior science courses, but I always thought their philosophy was indoctrinating and one-sided. I always thought the best Philosophy schools would be Jesuit. They may not be the most devout order, but one of the best educated, and pretty open-minded in a legitimate sense.

<<What a crappy job.>> Plus you get to live in drafty apartments that are luxurious by medeival standards and no sex ever. Plus you get no salary, but a meagre living allowance, which he donates most to charity. I doubt I'd be able to do that either. Plus the pressure. I'm amazed most Popes don't die from stress in the frist few years. Plus morons protesting you when you visit somewhere, though he greets them all with love. I wish I could be like that.

Just thinking about the Pope or Mother Teresa or Mary calms me and makes me feel so much better. Weird, huh :)

<<Amazing how people of the same religion can think each other foolish for reaching certain conclusions. Makes me wonder if there's any hope for the entire planet ever getting along.>> We are both Christian, but of very different denominations. She considers me Christian and not some cult, so I can respect her views, though I disagre with many, excpet for the really big ones. Jan and I haven't started a flame war, so its okay. Besides, we can't all be uniform with faith. Even two Catholics have differnt views, like my godafther and myself. He is much more modern and shows definite signs of jesuit influence. I got the advantage of learning a lot from the few traditional Jesuits at Loyola :)

<<Over Jan's dead body!>> This is also where Jan and I agree. Then again, my mother had a childhood crush on William F Buckley and she's not even a Republican, though she cringed when Amazing Grace was sung at her grandfather's funeral, because the song reminds her of Jimmy Carter.

<<We have a lot of christians, and none of them seem to agree.>> So. I've heard that Jewish theological discussions sound more like shouting matches. I think its all teh same for big umbrella religions.

SJ> << It's not a big stretch to believe that he had a few brothers / sisters hanging around.>> It seems to be a bigger stretch to believe that he didn't. enough of that topic as dwelling on Jesus's servants has put me in a better mood. I still respect you as a persona nd a friend, though, even though it seems you have more in coom with Gunjack religion-wise than me, though you like musical instruments during a service and don't have sermons on powerpoint :)

I have some good news. I met my placement NCO. My choices for my next miltary installation are:

Ft. Eustis
Ft. Huachuca
Ft. Leonardwood
Ft. Carson
Ft. Lewis
Ft. Bliss

I leave for the states on August 8, 2003, so I have definitely given time to try an dget one of these slots. It would be even cooler if I got to leave Europe early for one of these sites. Now I just hope the Commander is not soem hardcore infantry wannabe requiring 12 k roadmarches every month and FTXs to go with them.

DPH> I think I have more of a darkside than you do.

Spacebabie> <> I have a thing for dismmembering and destroying them all. I just said that they were born without brains. I do love that scene where they were bombed in South Park. That and Timmy make up for anything that bugs me in the show. I also like Mecha Streissand, the Super-Best Friends, and the Civil War re-enactment scene.

Good night and God bless

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Thursday, February 7, 2002 12:39:05 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Jan > you taped last week's ER? The one with Mark and Elizabeth's baby? I envy you ... my darn old VCR recorded a full hour of static for no apparent reason :P If we lived closer I'd ask to borrow your tape.

Battlebots > and the champ is back! It's Ziggo bringing home the giant nut in the lightweights! Hoody-hoo!

At last ... quiet! The woman with the radio was not seen (or more importantly, heard) all night. Apparently that was her manic phase and now she's crashed.

Religion debate > hoo, boy, leave me out of this one too ... it all just boggles my poor fevered little mind and once again I'm not spoiling to irk anybody with my cynical outlook. Knock yourselves out, gang!

Warpmind > saw the e-mail, haven't had a chance to look yet (I'm posting when I should be sleeping because there was something important I had to send online). Thanks!

Josh > what would the guys do without Britney? Ahh ... tarts like that are a dime a dozen, I'm sure they'd figure something out! Heck, the Travel Channel or the Discovery Channel or somesuch is going Inside the Playboy Mansion this week. Doesn't get much cheesecakier than that (is that even a word? what the hey, it is now, I'm too tired and spacey to care).

Okay, off to bed before I hurts myself.

Christine
Thursday, February 7, 2002 12:39:01 PM
IP: 64.24.187.94

Gathering website Updated! (sorry about the delays.. -_-;;)
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Thursday, February 7, 2002 11:37:30 AM
IP: 24.93.24.62

hehe...thought I would add my two 'cents' since I was once a Catholic.

'Virgin' Mary> Okay, this is what *I* was taught, I'm not questioning Green Baron's belief, because yes, even in the Catholic faith, there are different levels and interpretations of what is and what isn't so.

But anyways, this is what I was taught, being the good little girl in Catholic school (wearing the uniform and everything..and even wanting to be the first female Catholic priest (don't...ask))

Mary was a virgin from the moment of her 'conception' with Jesus, until AFTER he was born. In the text Josephis asked to take her as his wife anyways (because remember, she was SUPPOSEDLY his virgin wife who is now carrying a baby, and she's saying some almighty power impregnated her. Now guys, if a girl through that to you in this day in age..you wouldn't believe her one bit. Same with Joseph, it wasn't until the ANGEL came to him that he started believing. THe angel specifically requested Joseph not lay with her until after Jesus' birth (so there was no question..or at least as the story goes) that Jesus was conceived by God and not by Joseph. However, after Jesus was born...Joseph DID lay with Mary and they DID have kids. I forget which particular passage it is..but it is there. They get a slight footnote I think twice in the bible.

Mary only gets the term 'The Virgin Mary' for her immaculate conception of Jesus, but it is silly to think that a married loving couple would NOT engage in relations (or not have God's blessing to do so) and have other kids...ESPECIALLY for that specific time period. (interesting note that Mary was about 16 I think? when she was carrying Jesus..or maybe 18..I forget which)

As for making the Virgin Mary a diety. Eh..I'll admit, Catholics borderline on polytheism..a LOT. And Mary isn't the only case...if you are a serious Catholic..(and I have only met maybe..actually I can only think of 1 person who I consider such..besides me when I was younger (not now of course)) there are SOOO many holidays and feasts to the saints that we Catholics are 'supposed' to adhere too. And yes, that makes it debateable whether or not Catholicism is really a polytheistic section of the Christian religion. (Even Joseph himself is a saint! ;)

(look at American Voodoo, which is a combination of Haitian Voodoo and Catholicism, they worship their dieties using the statues of saints!!)

But anyways, my two cents. ^_^ Again, GB can have his opinion, because many people in the Catholic religion do express that opinion, but to me, I've always thought Jesus had brothers or sisters. :) I guess some people (Not including GB in this, just generalizing) see it as a sort of blasphemy of Mary and Joseph having relations and children because it makes Joseph and Mary 'human'. <:)

Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Thursday, February 7, 2002 09:15:35 AM
IP: 24.93.24.62

DPH> <> And obviously I did a crappy job if this is all you are capable of. Sorry, not impressed. Not impressed at all. And thus I am withdrawing from this sorry excuse for a conversation. I need to argue with someone who's actually good at it ;)
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, February 7, 2002 09:06:38 AM
IP: 216.179.5.43

*Warpmind strolls in, grimly.*
I think I just racked up some serious points in the "Bad Karma" column today... First, I oversleep, then, just so that I miss the last bus for about 45 minutes, a half-dozen JWs stop me at regular intervals along the way to the bus stop. *Snort* So I actually growled off a curse: to nevermore find matching socks, and that all their underwear would be gnawed up by small mammals... It's not particularly fearsome, but it *is* annoying; as you sow you shall reap, and so on... Now I just wonder what's in stock for me...

Silvadel: Sounds like you have the ideal income level, then; no particular financial griefs, and no particular motivation for increasing your income... :) And, *nod* I'm considering signing up for the MENSA test this year, if I can only get the date right THIS time... :p As for the fnords, I'm not particularly concerned. They answer to me. };)

Fire Storm: Huh? 2.95$ per minute? How the... wait... *Passes out a dope slap to Fire Storm* You went and REGISTERED your crystal ball, didn't ya?

Gside: Hee, hee... Sailor Moon corrupting the youth... *Unethical smirk* And you think the *other* kinds don't? };) Oh, and I doubt it's just an urban porn myth - by next weekend or so, I should be back home, with my list of bookmarks'n'stuff; I can e-mail you and FS then.

Josh: Not in so many words, no.
And you're right; "Brooklyn Bad Ass" DOES look like he just walked out of the Blue Oyster Bar. (But did he dance all night with a couple of police academy students?)

And that's about it for today. Ciao, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, February 7, 2002 05:02:26 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

ARGH!

Today was really annoying. I could NOT get the calculations to match up in my last problem on my structures assignemtn (which was due today), and I had to cram into office hours with the rest of the weenies to do it. I'm really annoyed at the amount of work assigned in that class. I shouldn't have to spend all my time on the two problem sets every week.

And then right after office hours, we had another 3 hour structures lab, where we got another assignment. It's getting a bit frustrating, I'll say. Fortunately, this one wasn't too hard and I should be done with it by tomorrow night. I also got my first structures assignment back, and only missed a half point. So I'm stoked. Apparently, I know what I'm doing. Who knew?

I kind of relaxed tonight, as I needed to desperately. How can school already be stressing me out this much? I'm only 3 weeks in! Maybe I'm not cut out for grad school in CivE.

Fortunately, I'll have a nice relaxing break far away from Berkeley.

NVidia today announced the GeForce4 Titanium, a badass card with 128 megs of RAM and the ability to drive TWO Apple Displays from one AGP slot. This is pretty damn impressive, and as soon as I find $400, I'm buying one. I want dual digital displays!

replies.

Revel: <<new art>>: re "brooklyn badass", dude, he looks like he just walked out of "The Blue Oyster" (ten points to anyone who catches that reference).

Warpmind: <>: You mean you didn't know it off the top of your head?

Patrick: <<the program used most often (and the one I've used here and there) is STAAD>>: I've never heard of it. Is that an array-manipulation/statistics/calculation/programming environment/etc? <>: Hmmm, also programs I'm not familiar with. I wonder why they don't teach them here. <<So GE hires civil engineers? I never knew that. I thought they were mostly an electrical / mechanical / industrial orientened company>>: They are. But I have the same skill set as a MechE, so I applied. They made an exception for me, I guess. Not that my resume warrants it, but I'm not one to complain about this. <<That sounds like a scam, not a job offer>>: A pyramid scam, specifically.

Kathy: <<Perhaps your project advisor is one of those types who wants you "to explore the limits of your own experience". (Translation: Figure out your own project and tell him about it later.) It has been known to happen>>: Yes, yes. But when the prof says "play with this over the weekend and we'll discuss it on tuesday", I foolishly expect that he'll SHOW UP.

David G: <>: Texans are so funny. Wanna make something of it?

Greg X: <>: Smart man. <>: Besides, its pornographic. <<Maybe God gave up on us and decided to start over with a new universe>>: So I guess we can go on without him. <<You say that as if carnal acts are bad. Carnal acts aren't bad, carnal acts are good>>: You think too much like me. <<Why Utah sucks, unlike most other states, I can't think of a reason off the top of my head to make fun of Utah>>: Dude, MORMONS. <<YAY!!>>: Better give me pics. <>: Welcome to the club.

Silvadel: <<Part of the problem I have with shooting for money, is what would I want to do with the money? The vast majority of what I want cant really be bought>>: Yet. There's always a use for more money. <>: Modest, aren't we?

Green Baron: <<Happy Birthday to Ronald Reagan. He turns 91>>: Good god he's old. <<Mary was is and will always be a Virgin>>: I believe she's dead. <<It's as if accusing her of carnal acts is some defense form their notion that Catholics worship Mary>>: Now what just a minute. What is it that makes carnal acts bad? They are REQUIRED, last time I checked. I'm not trying to say that Mary was a bad person, or anything of the sort. <<For me to beleive Mary and Joseph engaged in carnal acts would require me to no longer believe in Jesus>>: I fail to see why that would be the case. <<where the Bible calims these carnal relations, since they used scripture exclusively for their theology>>: Oh please. No faith uses their book specifically and exclusively for development of the faith. Don't get such an inflated view of religion. <<if a child is born without a barin, but is very handsome, he can be a Baldwin, though.....well I definitely accept your argumnet. I am not pro-life for Baldwins or Kennedys>>: LOL! <<I'm not single in teh same sense. I am unmarried, but very thankfully I am not single>>: Whatever. <<Philosophy is a good enrichment course and godo with a more practcial Major such as Economics or soemthing business related>>: No, it really isn't. Trust me. Berkeley's philosophy department is one of the best in the country (supposedly) and I found myself feeling like my time was wasted...in an ethics class. <<the more folks liek me around, the more unsatisified women for you>>: great, just what I need. Unsatisfied women bitching at menfolk. <<my dream job is to be a rich and powerful toady to someone who holds much power and is easily manipulted>>: Sorry, I already have a toady. <<The Pope is only here, because Jesus hasn't returned yet>>: What a crappy job. <<My godson will definitely get traditional values from me>>: I fear for him.

Mecord: <<In the mean time…. GO READ THE BOOK!>>: With my abundant free time, right? <<has the torch ever been dropped and does anything special happen if it does?>>: The entire planet will go to war. <<The mountains may not thaw out till 2004>>: Where are you again?

Spacebabie: <<places his genitals into a meat griner and slowly begins to turn>>: OUCH! That is SO not cool! <<The good nes the same trees have Ladybugs, and to my brother's delight they were not being Ladies...The wonder's of nature>>: Amen! <<My dad passed a stone>>: Well at least its not causing him any more trouble. <<So your learning how to be a farmer?>>: Farmers don't make 100-200/hr. <<They were getting over their Superbowl hangovers>>: I didn't even drink during the bowl. <<That means he dreams of me…and Sata>>: Probably Sata. <<Flesh is always better>>: I'd have to agree. <<Well all those waiters must know something>>: Get hit on by a lot of waiters? <<Looks like I’m not the only one with a smartass for a dad>>: I come by it naturally.

Fire Storm: <<What happened to the Sexy Losers comic>>: I saw that too, and I have no idea. The guy just went away. <<urban porn myth>>: They have a show about those on the Bunny channel. <<You've been missing out>>: On a great many things. <<there has GOT to be a way!>>: They won't come out my firewire port. <<no George Carlin or Dennis Leary>>: They are my heroes. Right next to Lewis Black. <<school of higher learning, schooling and parrots>>: Dead parrots? <<No strippers or video games?>>: Video games. Don't ask how I got the strippers. <<That's LA>>: Could be worse... <<You don't know my company>>: No, and I'm thankful for that. <<and health care costs, and environmental damage, and inflation>>: Boy, everyone will just love me, won't they! <<Like a rocket to the crotch>>: Yeah, but once the crotch is vaporized from wraparound damage, the mech is vaporized anyway. Oh wait, we weren't talking about mechs, were we? <>: Its all about FreeBSD balls, then ;-) <<2000 is the LAST Windows operating system for my computers>>: I hope you didn't pay for it. The license says billy can come by any day and force you to upgrade. <<there is DEFINITATELY a change in taste>>: Probably just satisfaction of knowing you got there first. <<Does Mac make 4-8 processor systems?>>: Mac isn't a company. Apple doesn't, no. They make dual processor systems, and there is some speculation that OS X makes it lucrative for them to push more processors, but quite frankly they're not prepared to enter the server market. <<she charges $2.95 a minute>>: I wonder how much she could charge before she starts losing clients. <<But Angela is FAR from satisfied>>: Yeah, there's a shocker. Unless she's into using food in her sex play. <<some times I just need a dam>>: A goddam? <<what about all the other poor, unfortunate people>>: They should stop slacking and get jobs. <<Kinetix released a version of MAX for free>>: Who cares? Alias/Wavefront released a version of MAYA for free! <<there has GOT to be a way>>: Probably, but do you need to risk it?

Jan: <<How would this cause you to honor her less and more so… to no longer believe in Jesus?? This does not make sense to me>>: Amazing how people of the same religion can think each other foolish for reaching certain conclusions. Makes me wonder if there's any hope for the entire planet ever getting along. <<Zach become a liberal?>>: Over Jan's dead body! <>: Unless you were a popular high school student. <<It keeps the baby wipes warm so that when you change them, you don’t have to torture them with a cold wipe>>: I think I understood that. <>: I'm a 20 year old male. I may not be able to understand females, but my peers I can figure out without much trouble 8-) <<fess up – are we right?>>: I think he's supposed to be a gentleman. <<it has become quite popular among the drug users>>: Well I'm glad none of my friends use it. They only use "non-trendy" drugs, like weed, x, and coke. ;-)

Gside: <<That's what they all say>>: No, that's "I've got a TOOL you've got to check out." ;-) <<But you weren't fruity>>: True. I don't think I can do fruity. Not intentionally, anyway. <<soon everyone would be doing naked transformation sequences constantly>>: You mean you don't already? <<So how do I get some, or do I have to pay?>>: They're strippers, of course you have to pay. I recommend you come to Crazy Horse in SF, where for $160 they'll take you in the back room and do things to you that they won't tell anyone about. All I know is that there's tissues back there...

Sevarius Jr: <<she has done NOTHING to justify the level of reverence - strike that, *worship* - that Catholics give her>>: Interesting. We have a lot of christians, and none of them seem to agree.

Time to hit the hay soon.

Holy shit! Silent Bob's an insturment of god?
-Jay, Dogma

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US
Thursday, February 7, 2002 02:37:13 AM
IP: 64.170.153.119

Gside: <I'd say it either got hacked, or someone at the hosting company messed up>
Well, Hard posted some plain text welcome screen saying that he just dosn't feel like making the comic without the board. I was wondering if you knew what happened to the board and why he isn't just trying to bring it back up.
Fire Storm
Thursday, February 7, 2002 01:27:43 AM
IP: 216.254.103.139

GXB - What makes you so sure that those were of Angela not Demona? ::Opens third crate, containing pictures that are clearly Demona and can not be confused with any other gargoyle. Pulls an water gun that shoots highly corrosive acid and fires at the paintings, slowly destroying them.:: I think you were just trying to pull out my dark side.

David - <Show a Texan one little snowflake, and after he gets done "ooh-ing" and "aah-ing" over the rarity of it, he'll huddle up in his house and wait for the ice age to end.> Lol. I can tell you about a company with a very ambigious policy when it comes to showing up to work during bad weather conditions.

DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, February 7, 2002 12:59:02 AM
IP: 204.94.193.46

Green Baron: I'm not trying to make you have a meltdown, but this whole thing about the deification of Mary is one of the biggest problems I have with the Catholic Church, dogma-wise.

I see her as a wonderful woman....she must have been very pious in order to be chosen as the mother of Jesus. However, she was a WOMAN. Nothing more. Catholics seem to make her a deity as well, which to me is blasphemy. What did she do to deserve it? She was a virtuous woman who is an inspirational figure and one that we can view as a role model, but ultimately, she was just a vessel. Almost simply a means to an end. Basically, and this may enrage you (so I'm sorry), but while Mary was special in her own way, in another way, she was not that special at all.

I don't mean to take away from her, because obviously she was chosen by God for a reason. But Catholics deify her. She's like this spiritual being that they place on par with Jesus, and I find that to be some as insidious a blasphemy as it comes. Ultimately, she was just a simple human woman. One who was obviously leaps and bounds more saintly than any other of those times, but my point is, IMO she has done NOTHING to justify the level of reverence - strike that, *worship* - that Catholics give her.

That said, since she was a normal woman, I'm positive she had sex with Joseph. I don't have a Bible with original Hebrew / Greek text, but if I did a study, I'm almost completely positive a study of the exact text referring to Jesus's brethren would show that they were indeed BLOOD siblings.

Sometimes Christians seem to forget that Jesus was flesh and blood too. He was God, yes, but this was his human incarnation. His clay avatar. It's not a big stretch to believe that he had a few brothers / sisters hanging around.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 7, 2002 12:43:25 AM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Imzadi> <<I've got a toolbox you have *got* to check out>>: That's what they all say.
<<The lord says "be fruitful and multiply". 2x3=6. Now I will go to heaven>>: But you weren't fruity.
<<Words for girls to live by>>: You suck the head? I guess you really can go to heaven, then.
<>: Well, she brought it up, and there are always gradients.

Warpmind> <<You'd better check with Lain which ones those were; she's got the tape>>: Ah, my bad.
<>: Muchly so.
<<that IS the subtitle in English, right on the cover>>: At least they're obvious about it. Who knows about Sailor Moon, it could secretly corrupt the youth, and soon everyone would be doing naked transformation sequences constantly.

Greg> <<Read the Norse stuff with Loki, that's all pretty strange>>: I'm waiting for them to make a dojin about the origins of Sleipnir.

Fire Storm> <<What happened to the Sexy Losers comic?>>: I'd say it either got hacked, or someone at the hosting company messed up.
<<Is it real or just a urban porn myth?>>: Apparently Warpmind's seen some place that sells it.
<<You've been missing out>>: So how do I get some, or do I have to pay?
<<Ah.... there has GOT to be a way>>: Find somone else. I really do shy away from vulgarities in my language.
<>: I also try to keep mainly with music.
<<The Monty Python school of higher learning, schooling and parrots>>: Live or dead? And any courses in arguing?

Greg> <>: It has to do with that whole trinity thing.

And for randomness, the new mp3 is Living in the Fridge, by Weird Al.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, February 7, 2002 12:19:21 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Jan> I accept that Mary and Joesph had an unconsummated marriage as a matter of faith. I beleive that Mary is the bride of the Holy Spirit (as well as daughter of the Father and Mother of the Son) and therefore her marriage to Joseph was purely legal.

I should not continue to talk about this as it may unleash emotions I should hold at bay, plus the last Mary wants is for me to ignite a flame war over her.

As for teh Pope and Jesus, I should better clarify this. The South park episodes with Jesus were funny and frankly South Park is irreverent towards everyone and goes after sacred cows that are not PC. I recognize Jesus is greater than the Pope, though the Pope is probably one of the closest people to Jesus in this age, laong with Mother Teresa. As for the Pope being put in South Park, it was not that funny and an innaccurate portrayal, plus if Jesus is a regular on South Park, the nun should have called him. The Pope is only here, because Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Imzadi> I'll repsond to you when I make a full post and I like that you can agree with me on the faith part, though it isn't part of your beliefs. My own godfather was critcial of PIus's comment. I guess he needs to get out of that contemporary belief trap and embrace some tradition. My godson will definitely get traditional values from me.

Green Baron
Hanau
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 11:55:29 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

GB> <<It's as if accusing her of carnal acts is some defense form their notion that Catholics worship Mary. She is merely honored as she deserves to be. For me to beleive Mary and Joseph engaged in carnal acts would require me to no longer believe in Jesus>>
Huh? Mary and Joseph were married and therefore carnal acts are acceptable in the eyes of Jesus. How would this cause you to honor her less and more so… to no longer believe in Jesus?? This does not make sense to me.
<<It does not mean blood brother>> we don’t know this. It _could_ mean just in the spiritual sense, but there were disciples who were brothers by blood.
<<The Pope won't care, but I still didn't like how he was portrayed. I guess I can't like everything. Oddly enough, i was never bothered by their use of Jesus>> Then you have placed the Pope at a higher level of respect than Jesus.

Kathy> *gasps* Zach become a liberal??? *shudders* ;)

Greg> Yeah, I know that you are not pro-gun control =) I was just adding as much right wing stereotyping as I could think of at the time. Hehe I wish I could find him this miniature leather trench coat… wouldn’t that be a hoot? *L*
God love us *nods* I John 4:7&8 is one of many scriptures that speaks of God's love and that He is love.

Josh> <<a babywipe warmer>>: Why does a baby need this?>> It keeps the baby wipes warm so that when you change them, you don’t have to torture them with a cold wipe. I think it’s also one of those “luxury” items that grandmothers purchase for the grand babies. ;)
<<You got laid?>> *LOL* I was thinking the same thing when Revel said that!

Revel> c’mon… fess up – are we right? ;)

Fire Storm> I have taped last week’s ER but haven’t had a chance to watch it yet. I’m not surprised that they are starting to show more episodes about the side effects of using meth. From what I understand, it has become quite popular among the drug users. The more I learn about the stuff the more I’m amazed at how stupid people are that use it.

Well, it’s Zach time…. Thanks again to everyone who sent congrats, coo’s and well wishes : )
Jan
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 10:54:24 PM
IP: 12.110.236.83

GB> <<God loving so much that he gave us his only son>> Wait, I thought God hated us. Damn, I'm always hearing "God loves us" being shouted by half the people, and the other half shout "God hates us". Which is it? Maybe God gave up on us and decided to start over with a new universe. <<Blessed Pope Pius IX declared nature and logic secondary to God>> Well, to be devout, you'd have to ;) <<It's as if accusing her of carnal acts is some defense form their notion that Catholics worship Mary>> You say that as if carnal acts are bad. Carnal acts aren't bad, carnal acts are good. <<God to forgive those who dis His Momma>> Huh, I thought Mary was Jesus's momma, not God's. <<Q> What is a vrigin in West Virginia?
A> Any girl who can outrun her dad.>> LOL <<The Pope won't care, but I still didn't like how he was portrayed>> HUH! ;D <> Nope, people think I'm insane for hating Steven Spielberg movies.

MECORD> <<What about Utah? We have the Olympics this month, so it’s a prime time to make fun of it. :)>> Why Utah sucks, unlike most other states, I can't think of a reason off the top of my head to make fun of Utah. Well, they've got the Olympics. So, I'm sure there will be plenty of reasons very soon. Hmm, if the Taliban were not removed, what events do you think they're athletes excell at?

SPACEBABIE> <<<<<You are going to attend this year’s Gathering??>>>As soon as I get the money together>> YAY!!!

FIRE STORM> <> They'll have to wait for X-Mas. I've got the lyrics and they include what Kenny is saying. Funny stuff.

"I wanted to be a Boy Scout, but I had all the wrong traits. They were looking for kids who were trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. Whereas I tended to be devious, fickle, obstructive, hostile, impolite, mean, defiant, glum, extravagant, cowardly, dirty, and sacrilegious.
- George Carlin "Braindroppings"

Amazinly enough, this quote applies to me exactly. Except of course I never wanted to be a Boy Scout ;)
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 09:26:44 PM
IP: 216.179.2.54

DERN LOT BOYS!

Gside: 
Ah.... there has GOT to be a way!
FIre Storm
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 04:38:55 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

HEY! What happened to the Sexy Losers comic?

Gside: <As do I>
Is it real or just a urban porn myth?
<I've been a regular reader of The Medium. Things start to look a little moretame after that>
Few things disturb me. That was one of them.

You've been missing out.

Ah.... there has GOT to be a way!
<I'm pretty sure mine's wrapped around. No way I've used it for less than three months>
While I have had Winzip for over 5 years, I haven't had a system up for over a year, so it kinda equals out.

Imzadi: <So no @$$hole song?>
I think that means no George Carlin or Dennis Leary.
<the use of the word "disturbing" in that sentence is redundant>
Not from that video...
<Where, pray tell, did you learn to count?>
The Monty Python school of higher learning, schooling and parrots.

No strippers or video games?
<Is that analogous to Purgatory?>
Nope. That's LA.
<Well, that doesn't sound too likely>
You don't know my company. To them, it makes more sense to train 1000 people per year than it does to keep the 100 they currently have.
<Two birds with one stone: save the planet AND help population control!>
and health care costs, and environmental damage, and inflation...
<No, it just splits up the pain to many different areas so that no one area can be completely destroyed>
Unless you get ALOT of damage. Like a rocket to the crotch.
<Why would someone open source their balls, anyway?>
Improvements. But there is always the problem of instability. I don't want MY balls crashing!
<...today. Wait till billy says otherwise>
As far as I am concerned, 2000 is the LAST Windows operating system for my computers.
<Why veggie?>
Meat tastes better. No bitter taste.

DEFINATELY! I don't know what it is, but there is DEFINATELY a change in taste.
Does Mac make 4-8 processor systems?

Warpmind: <Have *you* managed to log into Winona Ryder's shower yet?>
Yep. BUT she charges $2.95 a minute. How she tracks it is beyond me.

Spacebabie: <:::Pulls out Smackers::: BAP! She has Broadway>
But Angela is FAR from satisfied!
I have a STRONG feeling you won't like how I treat Angela in my fics!

DPH: <The software is Paint Shop Pro version 3.0 for Windows>
Ah. I see. Glad it dosn't stop working after 30 days?
<Ground hogs are special to me because I was born on Ground Hogs Day>
I stopped myself from making a REALLY inappropriate comment about my birthday and September 11 (Not my ACTUAL birthday, but close)

lain: <er.. dont you already HAVE someone to float your boat?>
My boat is floated, but some times I just need a dam.

Greg Bishansky: <Sorry, you'll have to wait till next X-Mas>
I ripped it from a CD already. But what about all the other poor, unfortunate people?
<::Tosses away charred ground hog::>
Mmmm... BBQ...

Niamhgold: <Which programs have you used, and what's your area of expertise (modelling, textures, etc?) Ooh a friend!! ;P>
Let's see... 3DS 4, 3DS MAX, Autocad 2000, Photoshop 4-6, a few others I have tried but not really liked.
My BEST work was done and is still done is 3DS 4's cad-style area. I made quite a few vehicles, buildings, and even Brooklyn.
Did you hear? Kinetix released a version of MAX for free! It's called gMax, and it is targeted to Modders!

Jan: <Zach>
He is just cute enough to eat!
You know... I am a bit peckish... ;)

David G: <Show a Texan one little snowflake, and after he gets done "ooh-ing" and "aah-ing" over the rarity of it, he'll huddle up in his house and wait for the ice age to end>
2' of snow in Michigan = %$^&. Now I have to dig my car out.
And that's about it.
Fire Storm
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 04:37:16 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

Spacebabine straps DC to the hospital table with chains. She places headphones in his ears and turns on the music.
"No no not this Teenybopper garbage!"DC Begs.
"Thats just the beggining,"Spacebabie says with a smile. She places two tubes into each nostril and starts to turn on the gas, oxygen, nitrogen, and the methane that comes from cows was blowing through the tubes. She takse the cloth that has been soaking in Nyquil and sticks it in D.C's Mouth. She then takes a pair of chopsticks and stabs DC in the eye socket. with carefull manuvering she plucks out the eyeballs first the right then the left.
"Now for the sense of touch" SShe unzips his pants and places his genitals into a meat griner and slowly begins to turn.

END D.C. Torture

The Computers phone line was shot so we had to call the repair company to fix it.The guy who talked to us was kind of cute too. Well unfrotunatly he accidentaly left the gate open and Patch and Pongo got out. So Me,My Dad, The Mailman nad little Jordan and his friends((Who just got out of school)) Helped locat them.

Some other bad news...Our citrus trees have ahprhids. The good nes the same trees have Ladybugs, and to my brother's delight they were not being Ladies...The wonder's of nature.

More bad news. My dad passed a stone. Good nes he recieved some medicine and is now zonked out.

Angel,Boston Public, and Buffy were all good.Last Night's Buffy was real good.

Now replies

Josh<<<We learned to identify 12 different soils with purely non-scientific tests: seeing if they're shiny, seeing how they react to water, seeing how easily they wash, seeing what happens when you set them on fire.>>>So your learning how to be a farmer?<<<Whoa, this room was slow today.>>>They were getting over their Superbowl hangovers.<<<Now you know how everyone in LA feels.>>I live in Orlando Florida, exactly a stone’s throw away from I Drive((The same road the hotel for Gathering 2K was at)) You don’t Think I and every other citizen of the city beautiful don’t already suffer from that?<<<Especially Brooklyn. He's the most sexually frustrated.>>>That means he dreams of me…and Sata<<<So?>>>Flesh is always better.<<<Fortunately, I don't have any happy 80's memories.>>>Children<<<Only if you're hot.>>>Well all those waiters must know something.<<<Yesterday I got an email from GE, asking me to schedule an interview, and today I got an email from Korve, asking for the same.>>>Hey cool.<<>>Looks like I’m not the only one with a smartass for a dad.

Patrick<<<:: heads off to make the donuts ::>>>By Driving or baking.

David G<<<Show a Texan one little snowflake, and after he gets done "ooh-ing" and "aah-ing" over the rarity of it, he'll huddle up in his house and wait for the ice age to end. :) >>>Except for those who live in the Permain basin((The area that surrounds Midland))I lived there for two years and it snowed plenty of times during the winter.

Green Baron<<<though if a child is born without a barin, but is very handsome, he can be a Baldwin>>>I didn’t know if you had a thing for the Baldwins.

Jan<<<You are going to attend this year’s Gathering??>>>As soon as I get the money together.

"It wasn’t too long after Quidlowe Varomi’s thirteenth birthday when his tail fell off."~The first lines in a novel I'm working on.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl.
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 04:32:12 PM
IP: 67.25.49.62

Ah, time for my weekly lab imprisonment. Once again I try a new computer hoping that its oddities, quirks, and estrangements are at a minimum. A few weeks ago I picked one with a word processor that was seriously messed up. I still have no idea what it’s problem. You have no idea the havoc such a thing can wreak on a young and impressionable mind. (okay so my mind isn’t that young or impressionable, but still!)

Hello all,

Josh>> <ACK! I didn't know that!> Oops, sorry :) next time I’ll put a spoiler around any comments about future LOTR stuff. In the mean time…. GO READ THE BOOK!! ;-) Um… heh, not exactly…. :p

Greg>> What about Utah? We have the Olympics this month, so it’s a prime time to make fun of it. :)

Ahhh! The Olympics! Bloody frustrating I tell you!!! The torch is coming through town today, the bozos in charge are trying to get the torch through ever town in Utah…. Fortunately I work when it comes through. Not that I mean disrespect (well maybe just a little) but I’d rather not stand in the freezing snow (Temp is a blazing 10 degrees Fahrenheit today it will be colder when the sun goes down, which is about the time the torch is coming) to watch one person running along the icy roads trying not to drop a flaming rod.

Question, has the torch ever been dropped and does anything special happen if it does?

Metaldemon>> <the school shut down til ten a.m. today because of the snow> We’ve had one snow day in the past three years. It was last week. It takes a blizzard and -30 degrees below zero to close up this town. It hasn’t been above freezing since. We have about three feet of snow in the valley now. The mountains may not thaw out till 2004.

Yooper>> <the greatest influences of Karl Marx> my sociology class. The lady was born and bred a Marxist.

That's all the time I have this week. I'm sure I'll be her next week to rant about the Olymipics some more :)

see ya around.

Mecord
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 01:13:36 PM
IP: 129.123.1.63

Not much today. Happy Birthday to Ronald Reagan. He turns 91.

Mary, Joseph, Bible, the Enlightenment's influence on Protestantism>

Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Knox, and John Wesley were the fathers of Protestantism and tehy all beleived that Mary was is and will always be a Virgin. Now, only Catholics and Orthodox recognize her as the Virgin Mary. I blame the Enlightenmnet for teh most of it. Most newer faiths came about in the 1830s and were poisoned by the Enlightenment. Its rather amusing that a bunch of godless philosophers would have such an impact on fundamentalism.

I admit, it flies in the face of logic that Mary and Joseph never had sex; well so does Jesus rising form teh dead or his miracles, or God loving so much that he gave us his only son. However, I worship God, not logic or reason or rationalism. Blessed Pope Pius IX declared nature and logic secondary to God.

I can understand Imzaid and mooncat's arguments and respect their views as tehy are non-beleivers, but it always bothers me when Christians say such awful things about my Mother. It's as if accusing her of carnal acts is some defense form their notion that Catholics worship Mary. She is merely honored as she deserves to be. For me to beleive Mary and Joseph engaged in carnal acts would require me to no longer believe in Jesus, for it is because of Him that I so love, cherish, and honor Mary who Jesus gave to me as my Mother, too.

The word brother is a very inclusive word in the Bible. It does not mean blood brother. It can refer to cousin, making John the Baptist Jesus' brother, or his apostles who were his brothers, or to the use of the word brother that Baptists greet each other as, along with many similar faiths. I suspect Martin Luther and the Johns woudl love to know where the Bible calims these carnal relations, since they used scripture exclusively for their theology.

That's the extent of my words on this. I tend to feel evry strongly about this subject and am prone to get very upset. I shoudl rebember to ask God to forgive those who dis His Momma like that and hope that they too will accept the loving embrace of the Blessed Mother.

Spacebabie> <<By deformed I mean if the mother OD’d on drugs, of if the baby suffered from Anc, Anceph- aww heck where it has no brain just the stem. When it will only be able to live for a few months, weeks,days, hours after birth, that’s what I mean.>> OK. That's understandable, though if a child is born without a barin, but is very handsome, he can be a Baldwin, though.....well I definitely accept your argumnet. I am not pro-life for Baldwins or Kennedys :)

February 12th is Mardi Gras. I haven't been to a parade since I was 16, though. I hope I can get my ashes with a Catholic chapel so far away.

DPH> That was a classic Arkansas joke of mine. I wasn't serious. I am even worse about West Virginia.

Q> What is a vrigin in West Virginia?
A> Any girl who can outrun her dad.

Siryn> <> Actually, I would. I have proven it for 24 years, so far, but my roomate told me soem stories about Korea. I bet Jaden has a few to share, too.

<<Mostly the main 'party boys' are the younger recruits. (as far as I've witnessed) But I would think that the men have as much control over their virginity as they would anywhere else. ~_^>> Well, the younger soldiers do go wild as many have never been anywhere else. The same is true in Germany. The actual stuff I heard from my roomate is about married soldiers who cheated with other soldiers, because tehy were away from tehir family for a year. There are a few families over there, but very few, I imagine.

GXB> <<Dude, everyone is fair game on "South Park". If other people's beliefs aren't placed on a pedestal, why should yours? South Park can make fun of me and things I like and hold sacred and I'll still think it's funny. I especially love it when they make fun of Jews, and I am half Jewish (background wise, other half is Catholic). You just gotta have a sense of humor about yourself and what you believe in. I do, it's why I found SJ's joke about Pro-Choicers so damn funny. I'm sure if God exits, he's got to have a sense of humor. Hell, the Pope forgave the guy who shot him if I remember correctly, I doubt he'd much care about "South Park" making a joke about him.>> The Pope won't care, but I still didn't like how he was portrayed. I guess I can't like everything. Oddly enough, i was never bothered by their use of Jesus an dI really like the Super best friends episode, but my favorite by far is Tim-may!!

Daphne> I was more saying it as a why the hell not. Besides, Attila likes you ;)

Imzadi> <<There are many single people. Like yourself>> Nope, I'm not single in teh same sense. I am unmarried, but very thankfully I am not single.

<<Philosophy is a good example of this.>> Philosophy is a good enrichment course and godo with a more practcial Major such as Economics or soemthing business related.

<<Or a swift kick in the nuts to verify that they were still there.>> Hey, the more folks liek me around, the more unsatisified women for you.

Warpmind> Teletubbies...good point. Falwell and Teletubbies :)

Silvadel> The thought fo being self-employed sounds so risky and stressful. Beisdes, my dream job is to be a rich and powerful toady to someone who holds much power and is easily manipulted :)

<<Oh, come on, don't you think that raising taxes to business-crushing levels to support a welfare state will help reduce poverty? :-)>> Debbie Stabenow and David Bonior have possessed you. We need John McLoughlin and bill O'Reilly to do the political exorcism now!!

Jan> Actually being a godfather is almost as much fan as grandparent. I got little Tommy a tiny rosary for his Baptism, plus I got him some Richard Scarry books. In the future, I'd liek to take him to Rome for his First Communion and the Holy Land for his Confirmation, but that is way down the line. I also plan to get him into Gargoyles and Tolkein, plus I'll get him a Children's Bible when he's about five an dstarting to read, plus a rosary video for kids. I bet you're excited, but don't do anything to cause a backlash, like Kathy said.

Revel> <<my opion is I was not asked if I wanted to be Catholic, luckly, my parents are so cool they gave a choice of I wanted to do as far as religon goes when I was older,>> Well, Confirmation is a personal decision, not just something to do when you're 13. I do hope my children all stay Catholic, but they have free choices of favorites saints to honor and look to for inspiration. I do hope one of my sons becomes a priest, and later a Bishop.

Kathy> I should be in Gerogia again in mid July

That's all for now. Bubye
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 01:04:27 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Warpmind (I was just looking for things addressed at me -- noticed the other part on the second pass):

Tests of ability need to be factored against an estimated ability level to be at all accurate. IE Lets say I take an IQ test aimed at the general public -- IE centered at 100 -- I would not get an accurate result because my IQ is above 160. If I were to take an IQ test centered around 170, then it would give a result within the normal error bounds of the test.

Be careful flaunting things like the pyramid... Just makes the fnords suspicious and will typically lead to more trouble if they arent such.

silvadel
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 12:12:33 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Warpmind -- Pay still stinks, but it is partially that I havent worked hard enough at it =) Far less than "full time." It has been enough to keep me going though and put some money in the bank... Net worth -- maybe $60-70k... Student loans paid off... The question however is whether or not I am willing to take it a step further and actually try to work hard at what I should be doing as opposed to what I am doing.

Part of the problem I have with shooting for money, is what would I want to do with the money? The vast majority of what I want cant really be bought.

silvadel
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 12:02:54 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

DPH> Ummm, I think you accidently stole statues of Angela from a Cult that Worships her sometime before or after you are born. Us Demonaists hate them. They're all all cheery and like to pick daisies on hill sides and think Demona should "reform" and be a "good guy". Ugh. Why anyone would worship the traitor daughter is beyond me. Demona is just perfect the way she is.

DAVID G> <<Texans are so funny. (Note, I am a Texan, so I can say this. If any of you yankies do, I'm liable to get mad)>> Texans are so funny. Bah, I shal make fun of any and all states as I please. Texas shall not be placed on a pedestal. Make fun of New York all you wish, I won't stop you.

JAN> <> LOL. There's a Rush Limbaugh Club? I didn't know that. ::Files idea for future use:: <<His toy box is stocked with toy guns>> I loved toy guns as a kid. Love guns now. What made you think I was in favor of Gun-Control? I'm not, but I will be when I have all the guns. But that's not out of any Liberal Morality I assure you ;)<<He particularly likes the Bush posters in his room and on the ceiling above his baby bed.>> Heh heh, Bush funny. <<Actually, his day consists of eating, pooping, and sleeping… heh, sounds like a typical male.>> DItto what Josh said. <<I’m not aware of the Bible ever discussing about them having sex. WHY would it?? *blinks*>> I don't know, tis a strange book. But then again, so are all books on mythology. Read the Norse stuff with Loki, that's all pretty strange.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 09:57:08 AM
IP: 167.206.248.11

David G.> hehe, the school shut down til ten a.m. today because of the snow. Sadly, my first and only class today is at eleven. But I am here in the Philsophy office since my apartment's heater broke down once the cold really hit, so it was eiher study in a cold apartment (cold enought to have to wear a sweater to stay warm) with the roomate blasting his computer speakers, or study in a nice toasty office where no one is here and actually get some work done.

I even made my first snow man yesterday at the gym, which I promptly tossed to someone, then it broke; so I made a better one on type of my trainer's wife's little truck, then my hands went numb sice I had no gloves :P. She promised to drive slow so she could take a picure of it when she got home :P

You know, Texans aren't supposed to get cold....especially one's from Houston. If Houstonians were meant to get cold, it'd snow in Houston, but it doesn't.
metaldemon
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 09:26:06 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Hi ya'll.

Texans are so funny. (Note, I am a Texan, so I can say this. If any of you yankies do, I'm liable to get mad)

I'm sitting in a virtually empty office right now. Everybody has called in to say they won't be in until 10:00 or so because of all the ice on the roads.

There is no ice on the roads. (Of course maybe there's just a giant magnifing glass over Arlington, and all the surrounding cities are burried under tons of snow...)

It DID snow yesterday, but it didn't get cold enough to stick until evening, and it warmed up enough this morining that everything was melting.

Show a Texan one little snowflake, and after he gets done "ooh-ing" and "aah-ing" over the rarity of it, he'll huddle up in his house and wait for the ice age to end. :)
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 09:12:41 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Gside and Patrick > Thanks. Essentially I'm a distributor and I'll add new inventory as soon as it's available. It's kind of like selling Tupperware, except online. They tell you what products can be delivered and you do your best to sell them.

Jan > Just remember that too much exposure to any concept often causes backlash. You wouldn't want a little liberal running around, would you? ;)

Josh > Perhaps your project advisor is one of those types who wants you "to explore the limits of your own experience". (Translation: Figure out your own project and tell him about it later.) It has been known to happen.

Cheers,
kathy
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 08:10:30 AM
IP: 24.98.56.90

Josh > I think over in the Facilities / Buildings department of my office they use Matlab occassionally, but the program used most often (and the one I've used here and there) is STAAD. Since I'm in the Transportation / Bridges division, I work on a more regular basis with packages like Merlin-Dash, RC-Pier, and ConSpan - software that's a specialized towards bridge design and that you'll probably not see until you get into the workplace. So GE hires civil engineers? I never knew that. I thought they were mostly an electrical / mechanical / industrial orientened company.

Lain > They want you to lay out $5300 up front before you even start working? That sounds like a scam, not a job offer.

Kathy > Cool site.

Seen in the news > In the latest sign that quality TV is in its final death throes, there's format changes in the works for a show I have fond childhood memories of... PBS's "Sesame Street." Gone from the show will be any attempt at an overlying story every day for the hour-long program. Instead, it's being restructured so that several short independed stories are told in eight to ten minute increments. Cited as the reason for the change... the shorter attention spans of today's preschoolers, and competition for viewers with the flashier cartoon shows on cable TV. Yes... heaven forbid a child of the 21st century learn to pay attention to something for a whole HOUR before getting to grade school. :: sighs :: At least Cookie Moster's eyes never caused any kid to have an epileptic seizure.

And finally for this morning, Jay Leno on the Superbowl...

"Of course, President Bush called the Patriots in the lockerroom to congratulate them on their win. But what I thought was really nice of him was that afterward, he also called the Rams' lockerroom and gave them some advice from personal experience on what to do after choking."

:: heads off to make the donuts ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 07:07:08 AM
IP: 66.72.203.41

*Warpmind enters, smirking.*
Well, took the MS Excel Expert test; aced it. (YAY!) And I got the results of a rather disgustingly simple test of my lingual/methematical skills, as well. Aced that too; it only reached as far up as 120% of Norm. (I think I scared the guy who ran the test...) I even got the formula for the volume of a pyramid right - by instinct, no less. (I even drew an eye in it.) }:)

Silvadel: Self-employed for six years, huh? *Sigh* Sounds wonderful... How's the pay these days? :)

Christine: Woohoo! New Sabledrake! *Evil smirk* I just sent you something for a later Sabledrake, by the way - presumably, you'll just keep it lurking until the Humor issue, though. ;)

Gside: Well, I've only seen... what... three episodes, I think. You'd better check with Lain which ones those were; she's got the tape. (Presumably.) And, no, not even Sluggy. (And I don't follow Megatokyo, so... yes, I know, shame on me...) And yeah, that IS the subtitle in English, right on the cover. *Taps temple* Whoever makes those censorship calls... *Shakes head*

Well, that's about all for today, methinks. Got some fightin' practice today. (Pity it's mainly stage fighting... but, oh, well...) Later, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 06:29:10 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

*Self Advertisment*

New story on my site or the archive, but on my site you can also see some new art I put up. Now I'm going to bed.

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Revel - [<<---------Click!!]
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 03:01:08 AM
IP: 129.120.230.108

Nothing like waking up to a flame war that I've started. Again.

Well, it turns out that Berkeley Civil engineers are high in demand, just as its been suggested by my professors. Yesterday I got an email from GE, asking me to schedule an interview, and today I got an email from Korve, asking for the same.

I IMed my dad soon afterward: "Guess what I got!?"

My dad responded: "Crabs?"

This begs a question to the CR: Do any of you know anything about working for either of these comapnies?

I had no idea that responses to my emails/resumes would be even *this* positive, but its pretty sweet. The ideal job is, of course, a position at Apple. But I can't wait for them forever.

My advisor has cancelled our research meeting again. He must be the busiest professor who doesn't teach. He's on sabatical this semester, and I think he's writing a book. But he can't seem to find time to meet with me so I can learn to use to software *he* wrote. So until he does, my Tuesdays will be over at 1230. That's nice, but it sucks that I have to wake up early. I get that whole day to be (un)productive.

I got my first assignment back today: 96%. This is a good sign, at least for my project management class. Apparently, I have a better grasp of money, interest, banks, stocks, etc, than the rest of my class 8-)

My structures homework took up most of the night, which was really frustrating. And time was spent at the laundromat (the machines in our building are busted), which would have otherwise been spent working on the homework. So I'm up late tonight. Sucks.

replies

Patrick: Do you use MATLAB at work for any structural analysis? If you do, I've got a toolbox you have *got* to check out.

Lain: <<for all i care, you could make a national belly-button-lint-cleanout day>>: I wasn't aware belly button lint had the power to stop communism. << hello? NOT a citizen of your country? NOT authorized to work there>>: Minor details, really. <>: What the hell kind of job is this? <>: Bet you wish you were an american citizen now...where THEY have to pay for your training. <<no friends>>: Some of us are your friends.

Yooper: <<Have to write 5 pages on the greatest influences of Karl Marx>>: Ugh, I'm sorry. <>: Did you wake up this morning with a start when you fell out of bed? <<It seems to me that this guy's biggest influence was his own percieved brilliance>>: Its amazing that he could use that to impact others. <>: I do that every day. <<Did you have to roll them into little worms?>>: Not these soils, no. <<My favorite part of our first lab was when the TA said that one way to tell a silt from a clay is that a silt tastes gritty>>: Our professor said that if you use that test then you're an idiot: if its contaminated soil, you just died. And even if it isn't, a 3-4% fines will taste gritty, but that might still be a clay. <<don't you think that raising taxes to business-crushing levels to support a welfare state will help reduce poverty?>>: What part of him looks like a democrat? ;-) <<What were the other ways?>>: This was my point. <>: Thank you for speaking my language. Go figure it would require another engineer to do so.

Mooncat: <<an example between hard R and X would be referring to a certain portion of the male anatomy as "his masculinity" as opposed to words I can't use here in the comment room>>: LOL I see. <<wouldn't it have been their biblical duty to have sex and produce children?>>: The lord says "be fruitful and multiply". 2x3=6. Now I will go to heaven.

Warpmind: <<Falwell and Barney? Tsk, be creative... Teletubbies>>: That's not just creative, its poetic. <<Jaime Pressly? Whozat?>>: She's in a bunch of stuff, including "Poison Ivy" and "Not Another Teen Movie". Look her up on imdb.com. She's f*cking hot.

The Wizard: <<This weeks projects include a portrait, painting in lipstick, a research paper, Baudilliard reading, and three .avi's that need to be done in 3d max. Ooh, and attempting to make sleek-looking drip down menus in flash>>: And I thought *I* had a lot of work. This weeks assignments include two problem sets, a lab, and some reading. <<No, from the mouth of me>>: Right, that's what he said. <<I'm always right>>: No you're not, because I am. And once we argued. <>: Good thing you don't participate in the flame wars. <<It is now 30 with a wind chill factor of probably -7,395. Cold enough that I'm relishing NH weather right now>>: LOL that's pretty bad. <<More times than I've gotten points>>: That can't be good. <<OS X, as some people well know, has its bugs too>>: So true. But I don't generally have to arbitrarily restart my machine, as you often do. In the middle of conversations. <<my point was that OS X is not a "wonderful" enough platform to make me completely ditch my current hardware>>: That's perfectly valid. <<Maybe if Windows could run virtual OS applications>>: It will be a cold day in hell before Steve Jobs lets that happen. <<my computer does not crash except for the occassional ironic fluke>>: If you say so. <<Especially now that Jay has licked the CD>>: Can't have his saliva flinging around your CDROM drive. <<An interview needs to be conducted first>>: I'm free over Spring break. You? <<gives me extra incentive to go to G2002, Because then I'd meet you there>>: And you'd realize that SJ and I are never in the same place at the same time... <<I'm afraid of it giving me a false sense of an ego or something>>: Would that make you a worse artist? <<He just kept on coming and coming>>: You say that like it can kill you. <<all the more reason to smack each and every one of them when/if you meet them>>: What did I do!? <<it can't hurt to have a harem of men at your...fingertips>>: That would make certain activities really tough. Typing, you pervert.

Metaldemon: <>: Don't make comments about my ego, that's not necessary. All I was doing was pointing out a hole in your argument.

Jan: <<I have registered him in the young Republicans club, he has a life time membership to the Rush Limbaugh Club, and tuition has already been paid for him to attend Right Wing University. His toy box is stocked with toy guns and he has camouflage diapers. He is prepared with anti-abortion pamphlets – they are secured in the side pocket of his diaper bag. He particularly likes the Bush posters in his room and on the ceiling above his baby bed. I have already begun his religion lessons. You can never start too soon in letting him know/learn that my religious preference is the only true choice>>: So far it sounds like you're molding him into SJ. Are you sure that's wise? <<his day consists of eating, pooping, and sleeping… heh, sounds like a typical male>>: You forgot thinking about sex. THAT is part of a typical male day. <>: I'm sure she loves that idea. <<a babywipe warmer>>: Why does a baby need this? <<cop story>>: LOL that's great!

Revel: <<why you say, well, I'm not telling so just be thankful that I am happy.>>: You got laid? <<when we opened the boxes we all got one slipper and one IOU. Never did get my other one>>: Was that supposed to be cute? <<Now this is a phrase I know I would never have heard anywhere else in the world but here>>: and from me.

DPH: <<Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Why? It's snowing outside>>: With the weather we're having, I expect it to snow here any day. <<What would I have to do to prove myself honest?>>: Relax, I was just playing. <<Would that be enough to prove my case?>>: Not really. Those pictures could be of anyone 8-)

Mystic: Welcome back.

Christine: <<Could have done without Britney>>: But then what would all the males do?

Gunjack: <<Suck the Head>>: Words for girls to live by.

Gside: <<Even the venus butterfly?>>: Especially that one. <<It's hardest on the head, though>>: True. That's why they're squishy. <<I'm not your favorite CS major? Aww>>: I didn't know CS majors could be favorites. <<to keep up appearances: In your face Imzadi>>: Oh, if only you knew.

Lady Mystic: Thanks again for all the hard work you put in.

Okay, I'm gonna try to finish up this assignment. Good nite all.

To err is human, but to really f*ck things up you need a computer.
-PureEvil, TeenChatCenter.com

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 02:41:28 AM
IP: 64.161.25.182

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Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 01:38:15 AM
IP: 216.254.103.103

Imzadi> <<You know demona invented most sex toys>>: Even the venus butterfly?
<<That doesn't sound like much fun>>: Nope, but most of us go through it. It's hardest on the head, though.

Lain> <<not even my favourite CS major is still up>>: I'm not your favorite CS major? Aww.

Warpmind> <<I'm afraid I haven't seen the Zazie the Beast episode>>: Well, it is one of the later episodes, right before... the big plot twist.
<<you're sick, y'know>>: Yes, yes I know. Thank you.
<>: Shame. Not even Sluggy or Megatokyo?
<<the title IS suspect: "Legend of the Demon Womb">>: Is that the subtitle, or is it just left in the Japanese. They probably wouldn't bother checking translations.

Niamhgold> <<Smart man, smart man>>: Whoohoo. And, to keep up appearances: In your face Imzadi.
<<Or the desk when my head hits it _after_ falling asleep>>: I tend to lean before I sleep. Not as far to fall then.
<<Just make sure it's not a VW Beetle or a pickup truck>>: What if it's a classic beetle? Or a VW van?
<>: I'm guessing about 15 years, but that's saying nothing about the attractive part.

Kathy> <<I've been working on a project. It's an online store devoted to acoustic music>>: So you've got an alto, how about a tenor, or a bari?

Revel> <>: Congratulations on surviving, then.

Lain> <<no job... no friends>>: Eh, same here.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 01:35:16 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

And it comes to me
That the soothing light at the end of that tunnel
Is just a freight train coming your waaaay...
-Mettalica
Gunjack "Suck the Head, Eat the Tail" Valentine
Wednesday, February 6, 2002 01:33:51 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

oh yeah, i had a great day today..

woken up by gunjacks mother, having gotten the email about the state of my life, asking when i was moving in with her. yeah, thats nice and all but absolutely impractical much? hello? NOT a citizen of your country? NOT authorized to work there? she harassed me for quite some time about it, though. then i got in a fight with gunjack.. about something completely different, went to work and spent 4 boring hours making 5 sales. (woo hoo.. i was so bored i almost cried..) then came home to check out the job i *REALLY* want.. and found out i have to pay 288.90$ just to have my application processed.. plus if im accepted, i get to pay 5,000$ for a training course. i dont even *OWN* the 288$ for the application..
so yeah, im pretty much screwed. la la la..
no money
no place to live
no job.. except crappy-ass minimum wage two shifts a week
no family
no friends (well i do have one.. but hes moving away after this year of school is over)

my life? oh yeah. its goin to hell. no wait.. i think its already there.. mmmmmm toasty..
lain
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 10:55:55 PM
IP: 64.228.193.227

Work was a joy last night ... new resident very troubled by voices spent the entire night wandering around with her headphones on, blasting her radio loud enough to disturb others. Might not have been so bad if she'd picked one station and stayed with it but no, had to continually turn that dial so we were all treated to static and a hodge-podge of late night radio. I was placing bets to myself whether her hearing, batteries, or energy would go first, but after ten hours, she was still going strong. Energizer Bunny, eat your heart out!

Sabledrake > the new issue is posted! Clickie or go to http://www.sabledrake.com/2002/0202cover.htm. Deadline for the next one is May 3rd, with the theme of 'action.'

Superbowl > watched it while also playing Settlers of Catan (great, but wholly addictive game). Some good commercials. Could have done without Britney, but hey, that's my usual stance anyway.

Book updates > according to RAP's tentative release schedule, it now appears that ElfLore II has been pushed back to July. But that's subject to change; it may yet be sooner if edits go well. I officially began the 3rd in the series last night, so Truegold is now underway.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 09:35:56 PM
IP: 64.24.187.165

Hello to all.

I haven't been here in quite some time. So I guess I'd might as well start out by saying this. I've been busy as heck with my AIS (Art Instruction School), person art projects (which I have already finished a new one), writing poetry, fanfictions, and my novel Mythia. Which I am proud to annouce is mostly up on fanfiction.net. Please take a little of your time to read and review and any of the other stories that I have there. I also have one Gargoyles fanfic that I think would be nice for all to read, it's called, "A Simple Mythian Meets Avalon."

Gavin and I have been doing well. A bit of stress here and there with us being apart, but that's what comes with a long distance relationship, but we are making the best of it. He's working hard at MTSU and doing better than what I would ever do at a unversity. LOL

Well, I shall return later. Ja ne.
Mystic Mythian Maiden
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 09:28:56 PM
IP: 205.188.200.42

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Why? It's snowing outside.

Imzadi - < How do we know that? For all we know, his friend could be his sister> Wait a minute: Imzadi, you know I have a valid snail address. What would I have to do to prove myself honest? I send a scan of page of my yearbook showing her face (and name) as an attachment to 3 different people. I could also send an attachement with a picture of her and her son. Would that be enough to prove my case?

Green Baron - <DPH is one of the few guys in Arkansas who doesn’t go for cousins or sheep> I can prove otherwise. What if I give you the email address of my student congress (who happens to be married) who works at the Association of Baptist Students at UCA in Conway? He could prove provide more names than I could.

GXB - <:Tosses away charred ground hog:: Huh, what did
you say? > ::Opens 3 portals into the cr where where 3 forklifts drop off crates. A couple of guys walk in caring a sonic cannon and a flame thrower. Opens one of the crates to reveal a stone statue of Demona inside. Nods his head and one of the guys uses the sonic cannon to reduce that statue to a pile of dust. Opens a 2nd crate to reveal an ice statue of Demona inside. Nods his head and the other guy uses the flame thrower to melt the ice statue.:: The third crate contains artwork of Demona and what happens to it is determined by your actions. BTW, those crates were stolen from a cult that does worship Demona sometime before I was born or after I died - I forget which - so that I am immune to penalty for theft. Yep, I have been lurking in the s8 comment room so I am guessing this will have the desired effect on you. Ground hogs are special to me because I was born on Ground Hogs Day.

Mooncat - <Joseph, Mary, marriage and sex. Well, as a married couple, wouldn't it have been their biblical duty to have sex and produce children?> Worse yet, why would Paul, in his letters, refer to the "brothers" of Jesus instead of cousins? Paul would have nothing to gain from that.

Lain - <The anniversary of your mother’s death is very saddening.> Cheer up. My mom's birthday was 3 days before mine and the same day as my brother's birthday. Time helps old wounds heal.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 07:51:16 PM
IP: 204.94.193.66

Just remembered

Spike- Is there anything in the works for a 3rd Internet Reunion? I still have a coppy of the Round Robin from last year.
Just wondering.
Revel
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 06:55:34 PM
IP: 129.120.230.108

oops, forgot to tell ya'll of my funny "cop story" that happened last night during a raid....

There was a huge raid last night on a meth-cooking house. Tension was running high as there were several there with violent tendencies (excluding the officers ;) )
Our drug task force officer - who is hillarious! - took down this one guy while using the arm-lock hold... all the time yelling, "tell me your name!" He wouldn't tighten the hold on this guy and each time continue to yell, "tell me your name!" The guy would just mumble at the officer and Shane thought the guy was just being a smart-ass. Finally, this gal came into the room (handcuffed and being escorted by an officer) when she looked over at Shane and this guy (with Shane still yelling at this guy to tell him his name) and the gal said, "uhhhh officer? The guy is a mute."
Shane was like "ummmmm..." then he loosens his grip and helps the guy up. *L* I dunno' but for some reason this cracked me up and I laughed till my sides hurt.

OOoO snow flurries have arrived. I heard that we are under winter weather advisories, but not much accumulation expected.
Jan
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 06:15:30 PM
IP: 12.110.236.236

Hello to all. I'm in a good mood, why you say, well, I'm not telling so just be thankful that I am happy. It's currently snowing here, a nice fluffy snow, not sticking to the concrete yet so that is all I care about. Fixed the ol' War Wagon last week so that all works and i got my Silver silk copy today, however I need to finish reading the book I'm on right now before I dive into that one.

Jan- Congrats, I imagine my grandmother must have felt the same way.

DPH- Happy belated BD man.

Lain- hey cool, you can make mittens. My aunt once made slippers for everyone for christmas, but when we opened the boxes we all got one slipper and one IOU. Never did get my other one. Stay warm *hug*

Josh- flaming masterdebating, huh? Now this is a phrase I know I would never have heard anywhere else in the world but here.

abortion- her choice, nuff said.

Demona's hobbies- I could see her studying warlords and dictators on varous techniques of how to torture people, but not quite kill them, that can be hobbie. Degger just like to throw cards into a bucket.

GB- my opion is I was not asked if I wanted to be Catholic, luckly, my parents are so cool they gave a choice of I wanted to do as far as religon goes when I was older, but I was baptized a Catholic not long after I was born because I was suppose to die in the hospital and my mother did not want me to die with natural sin.

"I have found the Great American Nothing and I call it... Oklahoma."
-What I said while I was passing through it this last weekend-

later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 05:57:25 PM
IP: 129.120.230.108

Thank you, everyone for your well wishes and congratulations =) It’s very sweet of ya’ll.
It has certainly been a whirlwind and hectic weekend, but Zach is home now and we are all attempting to settle into some type of routine. I just wish Zach would be a bit more agreeable with this idea. However, all I have to do is say, “I’m going to my room now” and I get to close the door and enjoy the peace and harmony. Hehe
Anna has done very well so far – but the new hasn’t worn off yet.

Lain> The anniversary of your mother’s death is very saddening. My eyes tear up just when I even think about my mom not being here and I dread the day when she’s not. Two years is a short time and I can certainly understand why you still grieve for her so much.

Greg> *L* As I said earlier, I’m honored that you have offered to mold Zach in your image and train him for world domination. However, at this time I must decline your generous offer. I have registered him in the young Republicans club, he has a life time membership to the Rush Limbaugh Club, and tuition has already been paid for him to attend Right Wing University. His toy box is stocked with toy guns and he has camouflage diapers. He is prepared with anti-abortion pamphlets – they are secured in the side pocket of his diaper bag. He particularly likes the Bush posters in his room and on the ceiling above his baby bed. I have already begun his religion lessons. You can never start too soon in letting him know/learn that my religious preference is the only true choice. ;) Actually, his day consists of eating, pooping, and sleeping… heh, sounds like a typical male. J/k!!!

SJ> I will not fail you in the department of spoiling Zach. I can spoil him rotten and then give him back to mama. Hehe, this isn’t such a bad deal afterall!

Yooper> I am limited on my time right now to go into details, but I do agree with at least 99% of what you’ve said so far. Love the explanation of your screen name! *L*

Spacebabie> *screams like a girl* You are going to attend this year’s Gathering?? *happy feet dance* I look forward to meeting you IRL =) I’m 95% sure I will be there, too.

Another good episode of Boston Public last night. I keep forgetting that I can now get the station for Angel. I hope to catch up on it in the next few episodes.

Mary and Joseph: Mary was a virgin and they were not married when she conceived Jesus. Joseph wasn’t going to marry her after he found out that she was pregnant but an Angel came to him and explained the circumstances. Being a believer of God, Joseph did as the Angel told him to and married Mary. There are various (but few) scriptures that refer to Jesus having brothers and sisters. It’s questionable as to if they are referring as blood sisters/brothers or in the spiritual sense. I’m not aware of the Bible ever discussing about them having sex. WHY would it?? *blinks*

Ok, gotta’ go… I’m babysitting Zach while Anna takes a relaxing bath and few minutes of quiet time.
Heh, I went to the store and bought him 6 new outfits and a babywipe warmer during my lunch break. Yeppers, I’m gonna’ like being a Nana. =)
Jan - [<----- more pics added :)]
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 05:39:18 PM
IP: 12.110.237.2

Dang. It's getting cold here in a big hurry. We might get that snow after all.

Jan > Belated welcome to your new grandson.

I've been working on a project. It's an online store devoted to acoustic music. CD's, instruments, gifts and books. The book section is still under construction, I'm adding new titles as often as I can. But please come on in and browse around and feel free to pass the URL on to your friends and loved ones :)
kathy
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 04:03:57 PM
IP: 24.98.56.90

Yooper> If you want to keep debating this, e-mail me.

Joseph> I think it says in teh Bible that Mary and Joseph did have sex; don't quote me on that, though. And it is Old Law for a man and woman to produce children...Ithink. I don't have a Bible with me right now to look it up.
metaldemon - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 03:58:54 PM
IP: 129.120.35.119

I think the bible said Jesus had brothers and sisters, which, since adoption wasn't commonly practiced in the 1st century, indicates that at least a little sex went on after Jesus was born.

I believe there's a story where they all show up and tell him to stop embarrasing the family.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 03:54:46 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Joseph, Mary, marriage and sex. Well, as a married couple, wouldn't it have been their biblical duty to have sex and produce children? And they would have to have had sex at least once to legally consumate the marriage. Mary only was noted to have been a virgin when she conceived Jesus. After that she could have sex as much as she wanted, and it would have been her duty to her husband and god to do it too.

Just some thoughts.
Mooncat

Mooncat
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 03:38:48 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

I think I'll post instead of doing my homework.

Josh>><<We learned to identify 12 different soils with purely non-scientific tests>> Did you have to roll them into little worms? My favorite part of our first lab was when the TA said that one way to tell a silt from a clay is that a silt tastes gritty.

GB>><<We don't need a mayor catering to teh lower classes to get their votes and usher in social porgarms>> Oh, come on, don't you think that raising taxes to business-crushing levels to support a welfare state will help reduce poverty? :-)<<<< Do you really think that a married couple NEVER had sex?!>> That couple>> Actually, there's evidence that Jesus had a brother. However, his brother would be just a man, since he would have been conceived by Joseph, not the Holy Spirit. The Bible only says that she was a virgin for the birth of Jesus, but that doesn't rule out sex *after* his birth. <<If Jehova's Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventist were the target of Dogma I doubt it would be too bad for me.>> Well, sure. No one minds when they're not the target. <<We can always use Barney videos or make them listen to Alan Dershowitz and Jerry Falwell whining for a few hours>> He ruled out "utterly vile torture."

MD>><<Cuz you know, we had to do Guatemala, there was just no other way>> What were the other ways? <<justifies all the unecessary things we've done....I love America, I hate what it does.>>What are the unnecessary things we've done? I guess you're free to hate what America does, but it seems to me you're making judgements without comparison to alternatives. That's like saying you don't invest in Treasury bills because there's too much risk. Our foreign policy isn't driven by what's "objectively/morally good." (Assuming that it's even possible to find consensus on what that might be) We can't _do_ "objectively/morally good" in the real world, just choose the least worst option. (This includes "doing nothing" on the list) I think this is what Josh is driving at when he's asking you for suggestions. There are no reasonable alternatives to what President Bush has chosen, so far as I can see.
Yooper
Houghton, MI
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 02:59:37 PM
IP: 141.219.84.191

Warpmind -- Yes I have... In fact I have had so very much trouble with working for others(being cheated out of money among other things) that I made the decision a few years ago that I would be willing to live with half the money I would otherwise get working out in the field if I could work for myself... And I have been self-employed for about oh 6 years now...
silvadel
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 11:36:29 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Yooper, Josh, Lain> Do you think we could stop this since someone already asked us to? You know, a little curtosey to someone. It seems Josh is loving this, "Do you see suggestions?" as if we (Lain and I) can f*cking change foeign trade with OUR ideas...you now, us being politicians and having that power. Cuz you know, we had to do Guatemala, there was just no other way. So I suggest we stop feeding his little ego and stop, since his little argument magically destroys all our arguments and somehow justifies all the unecessary things we've done. And Lain, you're not telling us to hate America, they're turning your words to that.
I love America, I hate what it does. And just cuz every country out there hops on the murder campaign boat doesn't mean we have to.
Now can we just DROP IT!!!!
metaldemon
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 09:21:07 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Hey all...

I remember someone here suggesting all the folks who are headed to Project A-kon to meet up at the convention. I've recently started a message board on EZ Board and if anyone wants to migrate over there for gathering discussions that'd work for me...

If you want to, I'll even tell you the story about the name :)

Skippy The Klingon - [<----Clicky Clicky!]
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 09:14:59 AM
IP: 209.245.243.52

** Niamhgold enters **

Ugh, didn't mean to be gone for so long. But, I've been slammed with work, as you all are experiencing/aware. This weeks projects include a portrait, painting in lipstick, a research paper, Baudilliard reading, and three .avi's that need to be done in 3d max. Ooh, and attempting to make sleek-looking drip down menus in flash.

Patriots won, which made my dad extremely happy. "Finally, after 42 years!" I also have seen the Royal Tenenbaums (great movie!) and have joined Voxel, the geek's ultimate group for 3d program users ;)

Replying:

Firestorm: <From the mouth of babes!> No, from the mouth of me. And I'm always right ;) <Sucks, because I haven't touched 3ds in quite some time> Which programs have you used, and what's your area of expertise (modelling, textures, etc?) Ooh a friend!! ;P

Shadowrider: Oh, darn it. Hmmm...I'll email you another address you could attempt to send it to, okay? ;) Thanks so much for being patient! <Ok, I've read the book so I know how will finish, but it is unnerving the same> Definitely :) Of course, let's hope they keep the same enthusiasm in the production of the next two, so that they don't "fizzle" out like Matrix II is supposed to.

Fleur: <Tofu! Pink Elephants!> In that order? What about Cabana girls?! ;P But that just adds to the wonderful randomness. Bwahahaha. <takes a lot to make me hold a grudge, but when I do, it lasts> Hmmm...I get angry at everything and it's still hard for me to hold a grudge. Or maybe I hold so many that it's a norm ;) In any case, remind me not to get on your bad side! <followed by a proper explanation of WHAT you lied about and WHY you did it> I think WHAT can usually be explained easily, but some people can never really figure out WHY they lied. (Unless it was for something immediate or tangible, like a bag of M&Ms or five million dollars ;)

Josh: <Sorry about those brick walls. That was me> Then you accidentally got Christine. I hit steel walls, so who could that have been? <It was 33 degrees this morning! > It is now 30 with a wind chill factor of probably -7,395. Cold enough that I'm relishing NH weather right now. <Did I ever tell you that I hate you?> More times than I've gotten points ;) <Why don't you wait and see what happens when you've actually finished a class? > Heh, because I'm impatient ;) In a comparative sense. <agree that few people use windows because they want to you, yet you say that you don't like Mac OS. Are you one of the few?> Yes. Why does that make no sense? Besides...OS X, as some people well know, has its bugs too. In any case, my point was that OS X is not a "wonderful" enough platform to make me completely ditch my current hardware. Maybe if Windows could run virtual OS applications, but I probably still wouldn't. <Putting a skin on an interface isn't the same as changing the interface> Exactly my point. Which is, that the only thing I think is "good" about OS _is_ the interface. Now, I'm not going to attempt to hold a conversation about the underlying structure of the OS, but my computer does not crash except for the occassional ironic fluke ;) And the other recent trouble I've had was with a buggy file in a prev. version of 3d max, and when I uninstalled it the problem disappeared. <Forget yet. Don't ever install it. Its not like you need it to run new software.> I'm not going to. Especially now that Jay has licked the CD. <No, I was just saying it to two different people in case one doesn't read the other> I think it's interesting that you had to make a point of it, anyways ;) Nor will anyone get pictures of it ;) <Evaluation on what criteria?> An interview needs to be conducted first. <Or a professor who likens bridge trusses to dresses> Cool! <And wacom. You forgot wacom> Heh, you're right. Ah, the cintiq... :: drools ::

Mandolin: <Is there ANYONE going to G2002 who's coming from the Baltimore/Owings Mills/Catonsville/Ellicott City area?> See, I'd say "me" but I'm not sure if I'll be in the area, able to go, or if I'm going home to NH or somewhere else during the summer. Otherwise, I'm generally in the Baltimore area. At least, for nine months of the year ;)

Gside: <Kumquats, right?> Smart man, smart man ;) <Or just not care about falling asleep. The only hard part of it was the bending of materials, I thought> Or the desk when my head hits it _after_ falling asleep. <Maybe once I get my own car> Just make sure it's not a VW Beetle or a pickup truck.

SJ: <Yeah, but he met you before I did. So he’s ahead on points! ;)> But technically, he and you are the same person ;) In any case, gives me extra incentive to go to G2002, Because then I'd meet you there ;) <The closest any other CR dweller lives to me is Baltimore. I think Mandi lives up there> And actually, from where she's saying she lives, I'm closest. Interesting. I wonder if I've bumped into you on my trips to DC? <Why do you have to put it that way?> I'm sorry, it's definitely nothing against you. I just don't usually take to flattery because I'm afraid of it giving me a false sense of an ego or something ;) I wonder how long I can keep it this way? ;) In any case, thank you very much. I'm sorry I was rude earlier. I should just stick to being _crude_ ;P <The chicken. I lay awake at night wondering if it laid brown or white eggs (brown eggs have *magical* powers!).> Chicken I agree with. Maybe they were easter eggs. Which would explain the Energizer Bunny in the corner. He just kept on coming and coming...

Daphne: Well, after all the match-making you've gotten, it's probably (a) to be considered flattering and (b) all the more reason to smack each and every one of them when/if you meet them ;) Of course, that's bound to make them like you more, but it can't hurt to have a harem of men at your...fingertips ;)

Anyways, class time. Adios
Niamhgold
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 08:10:38 AM
IP: 206.41.204.144

*Warpmind strolls in.*
G'day, gang.

Green Baron: Falwell and Barney? Tsk, be creative... Teletubbies. };)

Silvadel: Ayup. Sounds like you have your fair share of such experiences, huh? :p

Gside: I'm afraid I haven't seen the Zazie the Beast episode... as for the Sailor Moon bit - you're sick, y'know. I needed that, actually; I can't get my regular webcomic fix here, so a reminder is always good. };) Regarding Urotsodikoji - the title IS suspect: "Legend of the Demon Womb" isn't exactly what you'd expect from an anime on Pokémon level, y'know?

Josh: "Ensure his job security"? More like "Call for higher insurance rates"... };) And... Jaime Pressly? Whozat?

Well, 'tis about all. *Sits down and waits patiently for Sabledrake Magazine to show up.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 07:55:20 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

Josh <<Where is the line?>>

Between hard R and X rated? Basically it's that grey area that stands between soft core/romance novel sex and hard core, no holds barred sex fic. I usually write sex scenes that are more explicit than usual soft core but not quite as raw as some of the really raunchy stuff.

"We'll Always Have Paris" was not my usual style. I'm not that euphemistic with my other fictions, but with this fic I went with the softer romance novel style. It was partly because it was a Macbeth/Demona fic, one I hope of many, and I wanted to approach their situation with some delicacy. But mainly the piece was so 'soft' because I was seriously fatigued when I was writing. Real Life hassels have play havok with my rest. I need a good rested and clear mind to do the harder stuff justice.

Hmmm guess an example between hard R and X would be referring to a certain portion of the male anatomy as "his masculinity" as opposed to words I can't use here in the comment room. *^_^*

Mmm... Macbeth... *mooncat drifts off for a moment thinking naughty thoughts about an immortal Scotsman*

okay, tired now. must sleep.
Mooncat
>^,,^<
"to sleep, perchance to dream. But in any case to get enough rest so I can write some truly naughty fan fics" --Hamlet Does Denmark, the new soliloquey *ewg*
Mooncat
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 05:29:54 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

I need to take a quick break from my all-nighter. Have to write 5 pages on the greatest influences of Karl Marx. While it *technically* doesn't have to be done for tomorrow, just soon, I don't want it hanging over my head like Damocles' sword any longer.

It seems to me that this guy's biggest influence was his own percieved brilliance. He had an ego the size of the Pentagon, and it seemed to drive a whole lot of things. Or, at least, I've committed myself to showing that in my paper.

lain>><> I'm oversensitive to it, I know, but it's just that I can't see where we've had better options in most cases. <<someone suggests you dont need to do something, you just really dont need to do anything *AT ALL*>> Sorry about not stating this sooner. I've just been implicitly including the "do nothing" option as a bad idea; UBL would probably be encouraged by a non-response. As far as doing nothing in a lot of Cold War situations, that basically means letting the Soviets conquer countries, a situation that's usually at least as bad as anything the U.S. is guilty of--often worse. See Gunjack's outline of the Saddam Hussein situation. His first option was to do nothing in that example, which was considered and discarded by the U.S.

Anyway, I believe that for the vast majority of decisions, in business, politics or anywhere else, doing nothing is either the absolute worst or the absolute best decision. Take the stimulus package under consideration by Congress. In my opinion, the economy would probably be best if the president just left things the hell alone, but it's simply not politically feasible for him to do so.

We are, we are, we are, we are, we are the engineers
We can, we can, we can, we can DRINK ALL OF FORTY BEERS
Drink up, drink up, drink up, drink up and come along with us,
for we don't give a damn for a man who don't give a damn for us
--Michigan Tech fight song
Yooper
Houghton, MI
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 05:16:08 AM
IP: 141.219.84.191

josh>> <> sometimes, when someone suggests you dont need to do something, you just really dont need to do anything *AT ALL*. for all i care, you could make a national belly-button-lint-cleanout day.. <<Logically, then, you'd stop doing it.>> yeah well.. talk to the people in charge of the "sanity jar" here. they confiscated things like "logic" from me and everyone else when we first posted in this place.. so its really not my fault ;) <<Lain, why the HECK are you STILL awake?!>> that, my friend, is a veeeeeery good question. not even my favourite CS major is still up.. *sigh* <<That's the entire GNP of Canadia ;-)>> yeah.. pretty much :P

and NOW what to do? noone else is awake.. and i apparently dont need sleep anymore. either that or im so stressed that its not even funny. probably the second.

*stares into space*
lain
the Great White North
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 02:57:05 AM
IP: 64.228.193.150

Argh. All my profs have office hours at the same time, so there's no way I can go and ask all the questions I need to ask in any given week.

Since my questions were brief this week, I was able to get them all answered. Even gave my Structures prof my Mac OS 9.2.1 update CD for him to run. Couldn't hurt his printer problem. Might not help, though, in which case I'll find something else.

We had our first geotech lab today. We learned to identify 12 different soils with purely non-scientific tests: seeing if they're shiny, seeing how they react to water, seeing how easily they wash, seeing what happens when you set them on fire. It was pretty cool. The stuff was messy and got on EVERYTHING. At one point, the prof said "If you own a gucci purse or any nice shoes, I strongly suggest you leave them outside before playing with this stuff."

replies - Whoa, this room was slow today.

Warpmind: <<I'd settle for a single, heavily-armored boot to the sysadmin who decided to swap to XP>>: It's called "ensure his job security". <<anyone ever consider how precious and marvellously strange a fetus looks on thultrasound, and then when they get out, they all look like E.T.?>>: They look like ET either way. <<elaborate and utterly vile torture is not likely to happen in a civilized country, for some reason>>: They're no fun. <<Many a time have I been informed that I was bleeding rather liberally, without having noticed>>: Still, I think I'd enjoy that. <<Have *you* managed to log into Winona Ryder's shower yet?>>: Forget her. Show me Jaime Pressly.

Green Baron: <>: Couldn't tell. <<plus they’re both single>>: There are many single people. Like yourself. <<DPH is one of the few guys in Arkansas who doesn’t go for cousins or sheep>>: How do we know that? For all we know, his friend could be his sister 8-) <<That couple. Without a doubt>>: That stretches the bounds of believability for me. <<What can you do with that degree, beyond teach it?>>: Usually you can use it as a stepping stone to another degree. But yeah, most become teachers. I *hate* majors that exist for the sole purpose of creating more of themselves. Philosophy is a good example of this. <<Cold man, real cold>>: It was a joke. <<Besides, Tim Phipps is more in that category>>: And I don't think she'd hang with him without being paid either. <<Billy Dee Williams played Harvey Dent in the original Batman movie. Then it was Tommy Lee Jones>>: I rarely notice such things. <<If I went to Korea and kept my virginity, I’d deserve a Congressional Medal of Integrity>>: Or a swift kick in the nuts to verify that they were still there. <<Otherwise why not just read a technical manual.>>: Because it has no plot. <<Is it that odd a notion?>>: Obviously yes.

Spacebabie: <<at least ske knows about the Six degrees from Kevin Bacon game>>: that was a great ad too. <<Great more morons to @#$% up the roads and make driving a living hell for the rest of us>>: Now you know how everyone in LA feels. <<did her nails>>: LOL I can see that. <>: Especially Brooklyn. He's the most sexually frustrated. <<BAP! She has Broadway>>: So? <<She ruined one of my happy 80’s memories>>: Fortunately, I don't have any happy 80's memories. <<Am I? Seriously If I eve did get a Mac it would be an imac>>: I won't hold my breath. <<SJ or someone else will take pictures>>: Only if you're hot. <<Aww Poor Baby>>: Do I detect a note of stinging sarcasm?

DPH: <<A lot of my fellow '95 graduates are married to people whom they are NOT related to by blood>>: Sure they aren't. <<A friend of mine is moving in behind me>>: That sounds really bad. <<add that my brother met his wife on the 'net>>: Why is that complicated? Weird, perhaps, but not complicated. <>: 32 is all that's required for a genetically stable environment. <<That way no genetic trait would be lost>>: Ah, yes. But just to ensure survival, you only need 32.

Siryn: <<They decrease your paycheck amount, and your place of work and everyone who works there does NOT get a bonus payment for keeping their 'baby quota'>>: WHOA. That sucks. <<they always look so sad>>: Cuz they're there?

Lain: <<she invited her friend.. and proceeded to ignore me the whole night. *sigh* cant say i dont try>>: No, but perhaps you could save yourself some trouble and give up. <<dont you already HAVE someone to float your boat?>>: What does that have to do with laughter? <>: Logically, then, you'd stop doing it. <<youd be hard pressed to find ANYONE who *always* makes the right decision>>: I notice how you STILL avoid making any acutal suggestion. <<thats 10 zillion$ canadian>>: That's the entire GNP of Canadia ;-)

Greg X: <<Dude, what was that? I couldn't quite hear you>>: I SAID: "..." <<Daphne isn't my type. For starters, I prefer brunettes>>: A man with taste. <<a lot of masterbating>>: You know demona invented most sex toys. <<Sex, like the rest of us>>: Woohoo!

Daphne: <<Josh, GB... I'll say again, *what*?!?>>: I was just making a random suggestion. <<it is kind of flattering to have guys debate over who "gets" me... even if none are vying for the position for themselves>>: Believe me, we're not. <<I'm pretty high maintenance>>: And worse, a devout SOMETHING.

Gside: <<I've heard pig>>: Nah, that's just me. <<You've been deprived if you haven't seen any good clown porn.>>: I doubt it. <<you try keeping your good looks when you're the size of a watermelon being putshed through a hole the size of a lemon>>: That doesn't sound like much fun.

FS: <<Define 'This Site'>>: dictionary.com: This: a. Used to refer to the person or thing present, nearby, or just mentioned. Site: 1. The place where a structure or group of structures was, is, or is to be located. There you go.

Okay, I did some work. Now I'm going to sleep.

Dude, straws. Real men shouldn't be sucking on things.
-Rocky Teruya

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 02:38:11 AM
IP: 64.161.25.182

Anonymous: <when is someone going to update this site??>
Define 'This Site'
This CR? It is updated frequently. People post here and it gets updated.
CR info? Updated frequently.
The TGS stories?
The TGS site, non story related?
s8.org?
Define.

Oh yeah. Work still sucks. More now than before.
FIre Storm
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 02:12:10 AM
IP: 216.254.103.103

when is someone going to update this site??
Anonymous
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 01:12:28 AM
IP: 64.59.148.25

Imzadi> <<Chicken>>: I've heard pig.
<<the use of the word "disturbing" in that sentence is redundant>>: You've been deprived if you haven't seen any good clown porn.
<<No, but I know what I want the ending to be>>: So maybe there's some hope for me.
<<There are some great strip clubs in San Fran...or so I hear. I wasn't allowed to go>>: But that's not quite through the internet, is it?
<<So no @$$hole song?>>: I'm thinking no.

Warpmind> <<then when they get out, they all look like E.T.?>>: I've heard of an acronym used at occaisonal medical practices: FLK (funny lookin' kid). And you try keeping your good looks when you're the size of a watermelon being putshed through a hole the size of a lemon.
<<no worms either, I think... This is Trigun we're talking about, remember?>>: Of course it is. I'm refering to the Zazie the Beast episode.
<<they just got in Sailor Moon, which has been held up>>: I have three words for you: Moon power makeup (fap fap fap: SL12).
<<they've had Urotsodukoji(sp?) on the shelves for years>>: Well, the title isn't suspect. Just a foreign word that no one knows what it means.

Lain> <<uh.. yeah, generally>>: A female who agrees on that point? Whatever wil happen next?
<<*especially* if theyre the cross-dressing hero>>: If they're naked, they can't be cross dressing.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, February 5, 2002 12:13:37 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

oops, that should be GXB. I'm sorry :(
Daphne
Monday, February 4, 2002 11:58:31 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

Gentlemen (and other assorted males)>> uhh... last I checked, in Philadelphia in 2002, a woman has some say in who she dates. DPH, GBX, no offense taken, Josh, GB... I'll say again, *what*?!?

still, in a way, it is kind of flattering to have guys debate over who "gets" me... even if none are vying for the position for themselves.

ah, it's for the best. I'm pretty high maintenance... just ask mike, who simply couldn't handle me.

God bless!
Daphne
Monday, February 4, 2002 11:56:01 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

GB> <<South park doesn’t bother me, except when they took shots at the Pope.>> Dude, everyone is fair game on "South Park". If other people's beliefs aren't placed on a pedestal, why should yours? South Park can make fun of me and things I like and hold sacred and I'll still think it's funny. I especially love it when they make fun of Jews, and I am half Jewish (background wise, other half is Catholic). You just gotta have a sense of humor about yourself and what you believe in. I do, it's why I found SJ's joke about Pro-Choicers so damn funny. I'm sure if God exits, he's got to have a sense of humor. Hell, the Pope forgave the guy who shot him if I remember correctly, I doubt he'd much care about "South Park" making a joke about him.

JOSH> <<<>: ... >> Dude, what was that? I couldn't quite hear you. <<My thoughts exactly. You're obviously more interested in GXB.>> Sorry, but Daphne isn't my type. For starters, I prefer brunettes. No offense meant at all about that Daphne. Really.

CYBERKLAW> 1) <<Who does the gargoyles' laundry? Surely their clothes (such as they are) do need the occasional wash?>>

Owen of course. Before that, probably Elisa. I'm sure Demona does her own laundry. Thailog also.

<<2) Imagine a version of Survivor featuing the gargoyles. Who would win, and why?>> Thailog or Demona.

<<4) If Brooklyn had not become the Timedancer, who would have been best (or worst!) to take his place?>> Demona would have been the best. Worst... probably John Castaway.

<<5) Beyond sorcery and trying to wipe out humanity, what hobbies has Demona had in her thousand year life span?>> A lot of travelling, studying sorcery, a lot of masterbating, telling time by the moon, killing people, collecting stuff, building up a fortune, the joy of cooking, visiting Goliath's statue every now and again, tormenting Macbeth and the Hunters, and without knowing it, building a legion of fans who write all sorts of fanfic about her, create fan art, declare her a goddess and have her tattooed on their chests.

<<6) If androids dream of electric sheep, what do gargoyles dream of?>> Sex, like the rest of us.

DPH> <<Harm any ground hogs and we'll see about the consequences>> ::Tosses away charred ground hog:: Huh, what did you say?

FS> <<<Have you ever head "The Most Offensive Song Ever" from "South Park"?>
Gside, I think we have a request! >> Sorry, you'll have to wait till next X-Mas
Greg Bishansky
Monday, February 4, 2002 11:26:23 PM
IP: 216.179.4.120

GJ> your brother has something like that on his door? o.O
metaldemon
Monday, February 4, 2002 11:02:18 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

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metaldemon
Monday, February 4, 2002 11:01:45 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

yes, i *finally* saw "harry potter and the philosophers/scorcers" stone tonight. i made a date with my roommie to have some "roommie bonding time" and at the last minute, she invited her friend.. and proceeded to ignore me the whole night. *sigh* cant say i dont try..
it was a pretty good movie, actually. ive *been* on the hogwarts train before! YAY! it was cool to see it in the movie, i have a piccie of me on it, somewheres..
though i must say i *especially* enjoyed the part where harry started melting.. no, no, that probably wasnt in the version any of YOU saw.. it was just the film got stuck and melted all over in the projector.. was kinda funny.. and one of the COOLEST things i have seen in a long while. got all bubbly and gooey-looking.. and harrys head was the last to go..

sj>> <<They run those names on the screen, and dear God, the list just goes on forever, Lain.>> now.. was that *really* necessary? or have we gone back to kindegarten again... no wait.. that implies we LEFT at some point.. but, every big kids gotta get their jollies somewhere, i guess. glad to help float your boat.. <<I’m gonna have to work on that.>> ooooor.. i suppose we COULD just try quitting before we get TOO far behind.. that wouldnt be asking too much now, would it? o.O

fire storm>> <<heh heh. She said beaver!>> er.. dont you already HAVE someone to float your boat? o.O

yooper>> <<I'm not particularly fond hearing my country slammed>> well.. i dont blame you. i dont like it much, either. sorry again. <<I'm not saying that we've always chosen the best option, either.>> youd be hard pressed to find ANYONE who *always* makes the right decision..

gside>> <<Naked bishonen Bad.>> uh.. yeah, generally. *especially* if theyre the cross-dressing hero.. o.O

gunjy>> and since when does mr jon singleton know what a crack whore IS.. let alone *have* one.. or more???

josh>> <<More annoying than incessant requests for lesbian gas?>> nope.. no points for me. <> wow.. thats 10 zillion$ canadian.. NEENER!!! (oh come ON.. forgive me this one wee little gloat.. :P

yeah.. thats about it.
see you later ;)
im off to kill stuff.. er.. i mean.. play computer games.. ;)

love,
lain "chocolate frog" iwakura
the Great White North
Monday, February 4, 2002 10:57:30 PM
IP: 64.228.193.150

Josh> (Re Chinese laws) They decrease your paycheck amount, and your place of work and everyone who works there does NOT get a bonus payment for keeping their 'baby quota'(hence where peer pressure from work comes in)

The baby agreement basically is a signed agreement by the parents to have only one child. In doing so,the government pays a yearly allowance to take care of the kid, offer free schooling and medical care, and first choice into universities and colleges, so..you get BONUSES for having one kid..but talk about the peer pressure.. -_-;;;

Green Baron: Re medal of honour Eh, I would think that SOME people would be able to control themselves. ;P Families do live on the base..but not everyone. Yes I have been in the red light district. (btw, the korean girls are sooo nice there, one let me borrow a fan to fan myself, and they always look so sad) Mostly the main 'party boys' are the younger recruits. (as far as I've witnessed) But I would think that the men have as much control over their virginity as they would anywhere else. ~_^

Re economy: That is your opinion, however, when someone states , "We will fix the economy!" And then instead of going to explain quickly change the topic BACK to the war effort, it gets annoying. (not to mention..there are SOME of us who are TRYING to find jobs... :( So any help would be nice..)

weeeeee...*goes back to do a little gathering work, then homework.
Siryn
Monday, February 4, 2002 06:29:24 PM
IP: 24.93.24.62

Silvadel - Timedancer Status ::makes a mental note to think about how to solve that problem::

Spacebabie - <Physical health.> Thanks for proving you are not a hypocrite on abortion rights.

Green Baron - Sorry, but you're joking, right? A lot of my fellow '95 graduates are married to people whom they are NOT related to by blood. 2nd, when I said my life was full of complications, I did mean it. A friend of mine is moving in behind me to become a renter. She has a child. Also, add that my brother met his wife on the 'net. <If I went to Korea and kept my virginity, I’d deserve a Congressional Medal of Integrity.> You mean things are as bad as it portrayed in JAG about adultry?

Imzadi - Hmm. <Spend a year in charge of a riflery program that shoots rodents and tell me what YOUR first instinct is.> I'll have to reprogram my RP computer to automatically put forcefields around any non-mutated groundhogs in the CR. <because usually you aren't being used and you're just paranoid.> I can erase any doubt about being used now. She took me around town so I could get a car legally registered. Funny, that car has problems. <I'd say "what's the code"?> It's Paint Shop Pro version 3.0 for Windows. <That's just 32 pairs. Assuming they're all hand picked to be different.> I was thinking about 1024 pairs or more. That way no genetic trait would be lost. There would also have to be a rule about every pair being required to have at least 3-4 children.

Fire Storm - <Way to go! Winzip!> The software is Paint Shop Pro version 3.0 for Windows. I haven't touched it in a while. I might want to work on a new animation for myself. Something along the lines of lightning traveling across the screen. Hmm. I haven't tried to create any new pictures (not that high quality anyways) in a while.

Patrick - Hmm. I might work up something more complicated involving my brother's age. [(the product of the digits of the year of his birth) / (the product of the digits of his age two years ago)] * [(the sum of the digits of the year of his birth) / (the age difference between my brother and I)] * [(his age 13 years ago) / (my age 13 years ago)] * [(the se cond lowest digit of the year of his birth) / (the sum of the digits of the sum of the digits of the year of his birth) squared ] + 2 = his current age. You know, it dawned on me how few variables this involves.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, February 4, 2002 06:12:07 PM
IP: 204.94.193.45

Warpmind -- Sounds about right -- but then again remember that in essence the company philosophy is that it is THEIR computer -- you are only the worthless employee parasite using it and they can do anything they want whenever they want to it.
silvadel
Monday, February 4, 2002 01:03:00 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

DPH -- No, Actually I simply set my computer on a search.. I never downloaded the files themselves because it is only 200bps and it isnt good to keep the link up for extended periods. Since we passed the initial release date it returned I decided to rerun the check. 2 seasons that existed before werent there anymore and the season 4 date changed.
silvadel
Monday, February 4, 2002 10:30:46 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

FRELL!

Those Dern Lot Boys got to me. It was suposed to be in this color.
Spacebabie
Monday, February 4, 2002 09:38:24 AM
IP: 67.25.51.120

Yay I got a profile up!

The game yesterday.
Don't care who won.
Enjoyed the U2 performance. Very good halftime show.
I loved the commercials
Mlife was Annoying though, but funny since my mom didn't know what it was or what a dot com is, but at least ske knows about the Six degrees from Kevin Bacon game.
My brother was happy that an extended version of the Universal/Islands of Adventure commercial played.
Him:"Yay more tourists, good for our economy"
Me:"Great more morons to @#$% up the roads and make driving a living hell for the rest of us."

And thanks to that skank Britney Spears one of the commercials from the 80's has been ruined. Ues the famouse Robert Palmer Pepsi commercial. Thanky you Brittney((Thats not what I call her in real life but I can't say what I call her in the cr room))

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Green Baron<<<How so? I agree it may be more merciful if there are severe deformities, but what if a child after birth becomes deformed due to some reason?>>>By deformed I mean if the mother OD’d on drugs, of if the baby suffered from Anc, Anceph- aww heck where it has no brain just the stem. When it will only be able to live for a few months, weeks,days, hours after birth, that’s what I mean.<<<.<<<except it was good revenue for New Orleans.>>> Hey don’t you Nawlins folk have something planned for the 12th?

Shadowrider<<<Nice! >>>::Bows:: Thank you.

Cyberclaw>>>1) Who does the gargoyles' laundry? Surely their clothes (such as they are) do need the occasional wash?
Owen

2) Imagine a version of Survivor featuing the gargoyles. Who would win, and why?
Hands down it would be Goliath, well because he is Goliath.

3) Does the Timedancer get his own form of jet lag, considering he's often jumping from one time period to another? Probably not

4) If Brooklyn had not become the Timedancer, who would have been best (or worst!) to take his place? Best: Lexington
Worst:Vinnie

5) Beyond sorcery and trying to wipe out humanity, what hobbies has Demona had in her thousand year life span? I think she would have visited her old flame now and then, perfeted her weapon making skills, read a lot of books, did her nails…

6) If androids dream of electric sheep, what do gargoyles dream of?
I think they have the occasional naughty dream.

DPH>>>Physical health. If their is a possibility the mother might die.

Firestorm<<<6. Well, Angela surely dreams of something electric and battery operated... ;)>>>:::Pulls out Smackers::: BAP! She has Broadway.

Josh<<< Then the superbowl. Well, actually I just watched the ads, and did work during the actual game. Like I could ever care about football.>>>Me too<<>>The Same, of course I love horses<<<and it was fun to stare at Britney's breasts again >>>She ruined one of my happy 80’s memories.<<<Wait, there was a football game in there? >>>Was there?<<<Like !@#$, %^&*, and !@#%^^(*@$&!@#& ? >>>Exactly<<>>Am I? Seriously If I eve did get a Mac it would be an imac<<<I'll recover>>>Yeah SJ or someone else will take pictures.<<<Which is still more than I can afford to spend.>>>Aww Poor Baby.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida
Monday, February 4, 2002 09:36:34 AM
IP: 67.25.51.120

Grretings again to the CR. I don't care aboutteh Superbowl except it was good revenue for New Orleans. My main concern now is the runoff for mayor and I'm hoping that Cox Exceutive Nagin gets it. He is pro-business and could work on getting New Orleans to becoem a thriving city instead of one that is slowly dying. I've ehard him descirbed a s ayuppie and that's wht New Olrenas needs. We don't need a mayor catering to teh lower classes to get their votes and usher in social porgarms. Instead we need one who is independent of Al Gore and the city machines taht will make New Orleans thrive and create jobs for the peopel oyut of work. He could be our Andrew Young.

Now to replies:
<<Green Baron: Your spelling is awful. You really should check it.>>
I am doing that right now, actually.

With anesthesia? I fail to see why not.
It would be too weird. It would be a way of dealing with deadbeats who leave strings of fatherless children that become welfare statistics.
They can appeal during their water breaks 8-)
Then we can drown the lawyer J
<<Chicken.>>
So does everything it seems.
<<I'll blow my brains out?>>
Amid the chaos you can achieve world conquest.

<< That depends on where you are. Some places have excellent public schools.>>
Not where I’m from and I would prefer to live in a city than a suburb, unless my job was in a suburb.

<<Ugh. Must you play matchmaker?>> I think they should consider it. I see compatibility there, plus they’re both single and DPH is one of the few guys in Arkansas who doesn’t go for cousins or sheep J

<< Bad news, dude: EVERY president tries to pack the court.>> Name one guy who tries to expand the actual number of Supreme Court Justices just because his programs were unconstitutional. Actually, I consider us lucky to have FDR when we could have been ruled by a dictator who was not as benevolent, like Huey Long who ruled Louisiana and ushered in an age of exceptionally corrupt Louisiana politics, far beyond the healthy normal corruption level.
<<Dude, NIXON.>> Nixon just covered up a botched burglary and got caught. LBJ was far worse. It’s like comparing OJ to Jack the Ripper.
<< Larry Elder rocks. When I work for my dad I listen to his talk show every afternoon. He's brilliant.>> Yep. He is excellent and always with some good humor. I love his articles on the Internet.
<< Do you really think that a married couple NEVER had sex?!>> That couple. Without a doubt. Ten thousand fundamentalists, rationalists, and ACLU members can put me in a thousand tortures and boil me in oil, but I will not change my belief. It’s a matter of faith, so I don’t have any problem with your beliefs on it.
<<You don't think it’s caused by having no money?>> That is the definition of poverty, but not a cause. Many of these women without their little bastards could manage a better life, albeit poor, but with some opportunity. The guys just go away abandoning their responsibility. They would be much more useful to society as male sopranos or converted into soy lent green.

<<Quite sure. English majors get only slightly more respect than ethnic studies majors.>>What can you do with that degree, beyond teach it? I see its use for personal enrichment but not for job enhancement.

<< In D&D, it doesn't matter. First of all, I don't think the crosses affect vampires of any ethos, but a Muslim vampire still wouldn't be able to enter holy ground of any religion, nor would they be able to resist water blessed by a priest of any good sect. >> Well, in Masque of the Red Death, crucifixes would be used, as it is a version of Earth in 1890s. I doubt statues of Mary would work since she is honored and not worshipped. I suspect a Star of David and a crescent would also work, though clerics do not exist in normal form and I don’t think priests and rabbis can turn undead. They are in Tradesman class (rogue), not cleric (mystic). I could see the use of a scientist lich in Masque as technology has replaced magic in that world.

<< Come on, would you really hang out with GB if you weren't being paid? ;-)>> Cold man, real cold. Besides, Tim Phipps is more in that category as he is a Marine and in an Infantry unit. It’s the combat arms guys that cause the worst level of crap, not us soft Finance soldiers. We just have that ability to cause large debts for people who f*ck with us.

<< Wait a second. He's black. I thought Kingpin was white.>> Billy Dee Williams played Harvey Dent in the original Batman movie. Then it was Tommy Lee Jones.

Yooper> <<I'm not fond of Stupak, mostly because he voted for the Assault Weapons Ban. I pretty much follow the NRA line in voting. >> I thought that would be it. I heard he might start rapping under the name Stupak Shakur ;)

SJ<> that should have appealed to all those Palestinian lovers out there and green party guys.

<< Because they lack the courage. Today’s coddled generation. I remember the days fondly when those who didn’t want their kids had the guts to let them die by exposure! >> Those days aren’t far off.

Lain <<gives gunjack a very long, pointed stare* ooooh baby yes.. o.O>> That was Imzadi’s line. I tend to be supportive of the idea, especially with all that socialization

Siryn> <<The problem is, the army people REPRESENT us overseas.>> Yep, and I’m the exception to that crowd.
US ARMY soldiers in Korea are on a tour without family and a lot of them consider TDY to mean temporarily divorced for a year. My roommate was there and he had some stories about all sorts of adultery going on. If I went to Korea and kept my virginity, I’d deserve a Congressional Medal of Integrity.

<<What's scary is that some teachers and professors in Academia, are being fired for asking their students to discuss alternatives to going to war.>> that is surprising. I figured those who spoke in favor would get the boot.

<< (For example...the economy?)>> It’s dangerous for the Government to be too involved in the Economy. Remember the devil Keynes.

DPH> <> Now, you’re as old as me. I guess you won’t need that viagra now, since you’re not interested in a relationship ;) I still can see it, though obviously only I can.

Green Baron - I agree. I prefer science fiction that isn't more than 25% techno babble. Plot always wins out. Otherwise why not just read a technical manual.

<<[Looks from GB to DPH with shocked, astonished look on my face] what?>> I guess that’s a no.

<<[Still trying to wrap my mind around GB's words] >> Is it that odd a notion?

GB> <<Kevin Smith>> Hey, what's wrong with Kevin Smith??? The guy is a genius! One of the greatest filmmakers to ever live.
I just don’t think he should claim to be Catholic. I never meant to put him in the same low category as those others mentioned, but I don’t think of him as a legitimate Catholic, anymore than Bill Maher or George Carlin. I did watch Dogma and parts of it really bothered me. I also think much less of Chris Rock’s humor, though I regard him as an Eddie Murphy wannabe, except Eddie is a lot funnier. I did find it funny when Silent Bob talked. If Jehova's Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventist were the target of Dogma I doubt it would be too bad for me.
<> You went to one in suburban Westchester. Imagine if you went to one in the South Bronx or a really bad area. I intend to live in the city and public schools won’t provide any good education there. Plus I don’t like the Teacher’s Union either.

<<Have you ever head "The Most Offensive Song Ever" from "South Park"? The one sung by Kenny and Mr. Hankey? I'm planning to post the lyrics in here next X-Mas. I'm sure you'll love it>> South park doesn’t bother me, except when they took shots at the Pope. I don’t take them seriously enough to be offended, plus they offend everyone.

Warpmind> <<The latter only because elaborate and utterly vile torture is not likely to happen in a civilized country, for some reason...>> We can always use Barney videos or make them listen to Alan Dershowitz and Jerry Falwell whining for a few hours.
Green baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Monday, February 4, 2002 06:24:28 AM
IP: 140.156.11.60

*Warpmind wobbles in, grinning sheepishly.*
Had me a gaming evening yesterday... I GM'ed Grimtooth's Dungeon of Doom. It was hilarious. Be warned, everyone: running a dungeon romp through a maze *made out of* traps can be quite fun, when run under TOON! Even better when one of the players had artistic talents and started drawing up the events... }:) Afterwards, one of the others GM'ed a Norwegian RPG titled Fabula. It's to date the only Norwegian-made RGP system that has reached proper printing and publication. And (gloat) the GM was the author, who wanted to test out some concepts for the expansion. 'Twas a sturdy system, too.

Anyway.

Spike: No need to thank me - after all, it *was* what you requested for payment. :)

Silvadel: Unfortunately, installing XP here wasn't my idea. Heck, I didn't even have two cents to kick in; when I arrived, the job was already mostly done. :( As for the dual boot idea... Heck, I'd settle for a single, heavily-armored boot to the sysadmin who decided to swap to XP. };)

*Blink* Hooboy, another abortion debate. Maybe I should go break for coffee... :/ (By the way, anyone ever consider how precious and marvellously strange a fetus looks on thultrasound, and then when they get out, they all look like E.T.?) As for the pro-life/pro-death thing... I'm pro-life, but not militantly so. And I'm pro-Death Penalty. The latter only because elaborate and utterly vile torture is not likely to happen in a civilized country, for some reason...

Gside: Um... no, no worms either, I think... This is Trigun we're talking about, remember? (Amusingly enough, they just got in Sailor Moon, which has been held up because the title sounded "suspect"... they've had Urotsodukoji(sp?) on the shelves for years... The people who decide which films are to be allowed in sometimes make weird judgment calls, I tell you...)

Josh: No, I don't think the United States is a good analogy... after all, the US gives stuff back. And my reduced ability to feel pain is not all good. Many a time have I been informed that I was bleeding rather liberally, without having noticed. And internal pain, I can still feel.

Fire Storm: Ah, you scry in the crystal ball, too? *Ponder* Have *you* managed to log into Winona Ryder's shower yet? };)

Fleur: Yes, with Windows, there are two Major Persuaders: Prayer and Intimidation. The former works, but for various reasons, the latter is more fun. ;)

Well, that about ends the post for now... More later. Probably quite a bit later...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, February 4, 2002 05:54:18 AM
IP: 194.54.100.9

started my day off by hauling my butt across campus to pick up one lousy book for my Structures class.

Then the superbowl. Well, actually I just watched the ads, and did work during the actual game. Like I could ever care about football.

I really liked the Bud Light commericals, despite my opinion of beer. The hawk one was really funny. I also laughed at the Yahoo ad with the dolphin, and it was fun to stare at Britney's breasts again (yes, they're fake, ask me if I care).

Wait, there was a football game in there?

Anyway, then I finally had to get started on work, which was mostly a waste of time, since I barely got any done. I made some progress, but my 2nd structures assignment has me stumped. Not a good thing. I'm supposed to do this professionally? I've got to change professions. Now.

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To all the people who've made profiles: I keep reading them, and they all rock.

Jan: <<baby pics>>: mazel tov. He looks normal.

Spacebabie: <<Words I can't say here>>: Like !@#$, %^&*, and !@#%^^(*@$&!@#& ? <<Soon we shall all praise the power of windows. Seriously you should go all the way and get XP>>: I hope you're kidding. <<And you will never get to see me in a bathing suit>>: I'll recover. <<For example the cost for a roundtrip from Orlando to the Williamsburg/Newport area costs less than a semester at UCF>>: Which is still more than I can afford to spend. <>: That didn't make it any funnier.

Green Baron: Your spelling is awful. You really should check it. <>: That's a bit extreme. <<no doctors in thsi age of hedonism would consider perfroming a castration with anstheisa>>: With anesthesia? I fail to see why not. <<we can work em to death instead of execution>>: They can appeal during their water breaks 8-) <<I've always wondered what human meat tastes like>>: Chicken. <<you'll have much worse problems than losing money. Imagine the chaos of 1929>>: I'll blow my brains out? <>: That depends on where you are. Some places have excellent public schools. <<How about DPH and Daphne become a CR couple?>>: Ugh. Must you play matchmaker? <<tried to pack the Supreme Court>>: Bad news, dude: EVERY president tries to pack the court. <<the most dishonest, underhanded, corrupt, and evil>>: Dude, NIXON. <<Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Larry Elder replace frauds liek Jesse Jackson, John Leiws and Al Sharpton as politcial leaders of African Americans>>: Larry Elder rocks. When I work for my dad I listen to his talk show every afternoon. He's brilliant. <>: Do you really think that a married couple NEVER had sex?! <<The biggest cause of poverty is illegitimacy>>: You don't think its caused by having no money?

Greg: <>: ... <<Have you ever head "The Most Offensive Song Ever" from "South Park"?>>: I don't think I have. Did they play it on the show?

Daphne: <<Flaming Mass Debating? I knew there was a reason to stay out of these discussions>>: Well clearly you're missing out. <<Are you sure you're not a closet English major?>>: Quite sure. English majors get only slightly more respect than ethnic studies majors. <<DPH might have a problem with that>>: This does not concern me. Spend a year in charge of a riflery program that shoots rodents and tell me what YOUR first instinct is. <<for a creamy coconut center, I might give in>>: Ewww! <<what?>>: My thoughts exactly. You're obviously more interested in GXB.

Shadowrider: <<it is the air intakes and the exhausts themselves I am inerested in...their geometry, you know>>: Ah. Well I'll try to get better pictures for you next time. <<You mean after I took her home?>>: No, I meant before she got kicked out of the car. <<Hmmm...not that much ,I think...>>: Yes, but I'm saving up for expensive things, like trips. <<Mother Nature is a bitch sometimes, isn't it?>>: Sometimes? <>: Ah. <<remember that Italian actress I linked you to some weeks ago? She has some very...intriguing...scenes in that movie>>: SOLD! I'll go see it ASAP. <<how would react to a cross a muslim vampire?>>: In D&D, it doesn't matter. First of all, I don't think the crosses affect vampires of any ethos, but a muslim vampire still wouldn't be able to enter holy ground of any religion, nor would they be able to resist water blessed by a priest of any good sect.

Christine: <<I'm overdue to be called a bitch>>: The day is young!

Mooncat: <<borders more on a hard R than a true X>>: Where is the line? <<I'd imagine learning of all sorts>>: Can you imagine all the stuff you could learn if you were 1000 years old! That would be SOOOO cool.

Cyberklaw: <<Who does the gargoyles' laundry?>>: They get Angela to do it. She's the woman of the house. <<Who would win, and why?>>: Broadway, since he can eat anything. But I guess Angela would get voted off last, since all the guys want to shtup her. <<get his own form of jetlag>>: Probably not. I don't imagine it'd be difficult for the gate to put him the right place at the right time...since that's the point of the whole spin-off. <<who would have been best (or worst!)>>: Best would be Xanatos. Worst would be Hudson. <<what hobbies has Demona had>>: I'm guessing lots of experimentation with sex toys. <<what do gargoyles dream of?>>: Getting stoned.

Todd: <<if it heals wounds and injuries, it certainly ought to freshen their loincloths!>>: Or at least leave them full of dirt. <<but that information is classified>>: Is that an ask greg answer? <<If you can seriously believe that, then there are a few bridges out there that I'd like to sell to you>>: Whatever. Thinking about one thing for 1000 years would get boring. <<Gargoyles most likely dream about the same sort of things that humans do>>: Sex? <<Don't forget also the rather snooty bespectacled dog>>: My favorite time traveler!

Lady Mystic: <<Which features do you prefer>>: I like the new layout. I'd also like to suggest putting a link to the member profiles at the top of the CR, where all the other links are.

Patrick: <<Little does Elisa know what domestic duties traditionally fall to the clan leader's mate>>: and being a 90's woman, I'm sure she'd enjoy them all without any bitching. <<or how agitated Goliath can be when his loincloth has been overstarched>>: Or when it gets washed with the whites instead of the darks. <<Foolish human, _I_ am the true Lord of the Dance!>>: LOL I can see that! <<It's been a while since I've solved simultaneous equations by hand>>: Don't you have a computer program to do that?

David G: <<Owen has people to do that>>: And when do they do that? When the gargoyles are walking about? <<His luxury item could be a plasma rifle, too>>: That's one hell of a luxury item. <<Sabotoging national retiremenet plans so her old, dying enemies will have to spend their last days in poverty and squalor>>: In other words, screwing over social security. That bitch. <<Collecting Beanie Babies>>: And eating them. <<Greg Wiesman catching Michael Eisner in the middle of committing a felony>>: No, that's what gargoyle fans dream of.

I think a more important question is: What do the gargoyles WEAR while their laundry is being done?

DPH: <<There are enough complications in my life right now>>: Women will only make it worse. Most of the time. <<I'm thinking outside the box>>: See, and I'm always thinking ABOUT the box. <<Last year, the sum of the digits of the year I was born equaled my age>>: Ugh and that's worth the time... <>: I like writing technobabble just to see if people can see through it to the real plot. <<Both sides play word-games too much>>: Welcome to politics. <>: No, because usually you aren't being used and you're just paranoid. Trust me, I know. <<that voice in my head is wondering if I am being used by my friend, NOT by my dad>>: I figured. The voice usually comes in when it deals with women. <>: I'd say "what's the code"? <<The objective would be to be able to transport enough people off to ensure a healthy genetic population>>: That's just 32 pairs. Assuming they're all hand picked to be different.

Siryn: <<yes..I drew it>>: I wish I had your skills. It looks great. <<You would answer a cookie with a THANNKYOU!>>: Oh, der. I can't believe I didn't think of that. <<When I asked him why he was doing this, he shrugged and said, "Just because!!!" *MELTS!!!!* eeeeeeeeeeeeee...No guy has EVER done that for me before!>>: ::opens mouth to say something, then things better of it because SJ can already hear my thoughts:: <<It saddened me GREATLY a lot of the social, governmental, and work peer pressure's women go through to make sure they do NOT have more than one child>>: I would love to implement that when I take over, but I'm not going to. I may be heartless, but I'm not stupid. I have better methods of population control. <<It's a contract that the parents promise only to have one child, in retrn for lots of money and free benefits such as schooling, first choice in universities and jobs, and health care>>: I was under the impression that the law increased taxes in China for each child above 1. <<those were the only type of women who would hang out with soldires>>: Come on, would you really hang out with GB if you weren't being paid? ;-) <<Our overseas policy has got to be questioned>>: That's all well and good, but what you need to do if want to question it is to offer solutions. Better ones.

Lain: <<what is this "superbowl" of which you speak>>: No idea. I just saw a bunch of TV ads. <<it IS even more annoying than clickomania>>: More annoying than incessant requests for lesbian gas? 1 point to anyone who gets the reference, 10 if that person is female. <<very true..>>: And yet you still haven't done it. <<my high-speed ethernet costs me a whopping 10$ per month! huzzah>>: I hate you. I pay $40 US. <<gives gunjack a very long, pointed stare* ooooh baby yes>>: Case rested. <<the first one is "air moose" the second one is "air canuck" and the third one is "beaver air." which one do you like?>>: BEAVER AIR! <<he might be forced to bomb the mall in west edmonton>>: LOL!

Sevarius Jr: <<dear God, the list just goes on forever, Lain>>: Gee, that was subtle. <<Maybe it’s because I lack subtlety. I’m gonna have to work on that>>: Why? <<They’re dying to invade SOMETHING>>: Why not France? that would take all of 5 minutes. <<Someone contact Josh and every other Mac user available, and quickly exorcise this poor man before it’s too late>>: I've given up trying to save him. He won't listen. <>: You remember ancient greece? <<If you don’t know what this is all about, basically, it’s this: Todd’s an asshole>>: Isn't that the summary of every court case ever? <<Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin>>: Wait a second. He's black. I thought Kingpin was white. He was in the tv show. <<it’s not as if they really want to make a GOOD comic book movie at this point>>: Spiderman might not suck. X-men 2 might not suck. <,we Americans only want them for one thing – their body>>: There are some HOT chicks up there, my friend.

Fire Storm: <<a disturbing clown sex part>>: the use of the word "disturbing" in that sentence is redundant. <<<<Ok, *3* things!>>: Where, pray tell, did you learn to count? <<Pr0n, MP3's, Anime, strippers and video games>>: I have the first three. <<An hours drive outside of Detroit>>: Is that analogous to Purgatory? <<there will only be 2 people in the department>>: Well, that doesn't sound too likely. <<Transport them all to block the astroid?>>: Two birds with one stone: save the planet AND help population control! <<Redundant pain? Isn't that WORSE?>>: No, it just splits up the pain to many different areas so that no one area can be completely destroyed. <<open-sourced>>: FreeLSD? Or does that just mean that Linus has his lame hands in it all? Why would someone open source their balls, anyway? <<XP will NEVER touch my system!>>: ...today. Wait till billy says otherwise. <<has had me in his control for a long time already>>: Pathetic. <<And disease free. And vegitarian>>: Why veggie? <<cooking the flesh of virgin humans>>: I agree. Virgins taste much better. Um... <<Winzip!>>: Bah. StuffIt. <<She said beaver>>: Yeah, but when you're not careful you get "beaver hair".

Gside: <<A woman in dental floss>>: Hell yeah! <<Poutine? Or is that more easterly?>>: Not a clue. <<have you since gotten any closer to the ending?>>: No, but I know what I want the ending to be. I just can't get there. <>: There are some great strip clubs in San Fran...or so I hear. I wasn't allowed to go. <>: So no @$$hole song?

Gunjack: <<we do not accept soliciters selling Tijauna Crack Whores. We already have all the Tijauna Crack Whores we need. Thank you>>: Enjoy your stay in Los Angeles.

Ignorance is bliss...to the ignorant! To me, it's just plain annoying.
-Mr. Floppy, "Unhappily Ever After"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, February 4, 2002 03:03:15 AM
IP: 64.161.25.182

FS><<And disease free. And vegitarian. No drug use either.>> "Attention: we do not accept soliciters selling Tijauna Crack Whores. We already have all the Tijauna Crack Whores we need. Thank you."
-Jon Singleton's door sign
Gunjack "Crown of Femurs" Valentine
Monday, February 4, 2002 12:59:13 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Fleur> <<who makes a better hero: a guy in a loincloth, or a guy in latex?>>: A woman in dental floss.

Imzadi> <<Seek help. Or a CS major>>: Yo.
<<What do we gain by this conquer?>>: Poutine? Or is that more easterly?
<<that depends on your definition of short>>: Granted, but it's hard to make a pinewood derby go farther than this short scale.
<<What does that look like?>>: Mostly roundish.
<<that's all I had when I started my "phantom fic">>: But have you since gotten any closer to the ending?
<<Sometimes>>: Of course. But this time I was only referring to this case.
<<Quite, I wonder if Link knows>>: And I'm sure there's a yaoi dojin out there that says he does.

Green Baron> <<Doves taste pretty good>>: Mmm, squab.

Daphne> <<semantics. Are you sure you're not a closet English major?>>: Semantics is a division of linguistics.

Shadowrider> <<If you need further clarifications, you just have to ask>>: I doubt I will, as I probably won't get it written.

Lain> <<ONE more round of metal gear solid>>: Naked bishonen Bad.

Fire Storm> <>: As do I.
<<Showtime has this 'documentry' series calles Sex Bytes>>: Ah.
<<In one of them, there was a disturbing clown sex part>>: I've been a regular reader of The Medium. Things start to look a little moretame after that.
<<Pr0n, MP3's, Anime, strippers and video games!>>: I don't think you can get strippers over the internet. Unless I've been missing out.
<<Gside, I think we have a request!>>: I try not to violate CR rules in my mp3s. One reason I won't do My $!#@'s !@$#ed Up.
<<Way to go! Winzip!>>: I'm pretty sure mine's wrapped around. No way I've used it for less than three months.

And because it appears I've never offically posted Drunken Sailor, even after killing DC to the tune, you now get Great Big Sea's version.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, February 4, 2002 12:16:26 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Whooooo! The Rams lost!! *dances a little jig* I don't really care who won the Super Bowl since the Packers were out, but I wanted to see the Rams have their ass handed to them after they humiliated Green Bay.

lain>>I'm not denying the U.S. has done bad things, but I think that Gunjack put it best. I'm not particularly fond hearing my country slammed when we just have a "limited number of startlingly bad options" to choose from. I'm not saying that we've always chosen the best option, either. Just that we *try.*

Fleur>>The Pakistanis live near Afghanistan. The Palestinians are the ones who lived where Israel is now.

GB>>I'm not fond of Stupak, mostly because he voted for the Assault Weapons Ban. I pretty much follow the NRA line in voting.
Yooper
Houghton, MI
Monday, February 4, 2002 12:04:37 AM
IP: 141.219.84.191

I ended up installing 98 ONLY to play Vampire because it dosn't like my AMD in 2000.

Gside: <The one who was in the live action LBG?>
Maybe. I gotta see that movie...
<Eh?>
Showtime has this 'documentry' series calles Sex Bytes. In one of them, there was a disturbing clown sex part.
<You forgot anime>
Ok, *3* things! Pr0n, MP3's, Anime, and strippers.
...
DAMN!
Ok! *4* things! Pr0n, MP3's, Anime, strippers and video games!

Imzadi: <Is that in Detroit?>
An hours drive outside of Detroit.
<work sucks everyday>
Dat true
<All of you?>
If she does what she says, there will only be 2 people in the department (we are a 24x7 department, with a 6 week training time)
<LOL! I bet it was>
Wide eyed... a Kodak moment!
<Well, all we need are transporters 8-). Lots of them>
Transport them all to block the astroid?
<It's a RAID array for pain>
Redundant pain? Isn't that WORSE?

Some tech support. Most of mine are open-sourced, so if I want support, I gotta go to alt.support.crystal_balls
<Woohoo! What do we gain by this conquer?>
Canadian beer and Canadian women.
<98 isn't the problem. It's XP you have to worry about>
No it isn't. XP will NEVER touch my system!

Spacebabie: <Wrong actors, of course I know you know that but being a smart ass like that will earn you the wrath of Smackers>
Wrong actors? Really? Well, like I can even remember what happened last WEEK!
And I already made a pic of Osoma bin Crusing'
<Mwa ha ha ha another one. Soon we shall all praise the power of windows. Seriously you should go all the way and get XP>
The Dark Master of the Gates has had me in his control for a long time already

Green Baron: <That's too Chinese. Besides, Hillary Clinton gets first pick of all babies sacrificed to her altar>
Caine will NOT be denied his bounty!
<I've always wondered what human meat tastes like>
Depends who you talk to. I have heard people say it tastes like beef with a little pork in it, but my own blood tastes like turkey. When I cut my mouth or my gums bleed, it makes me want mashed potatos, gravy, and stuffing.
<Now, I just need to find theright peasant village :) Granted, I prefer someone who washes daily.>
And disease free. And vegitarian. No drug use either.

Greg Bishansky: <Have you ever head "The Most Offensive Song Ever" from "South Park"?>
Gside, I think we have a request!

Daphne: <actually, my psychic best friend (who was right about the Eagles among many other predictions) says the Rams will win. He's still rooting for the Patriots, though.>
The radio said it was Patriots 20-17. I think.
I really don't care either way.

cyberklaw: <Questions>
1. Someone who is very unhappy
2. Hmm... I say Brooklyn would go all tribal and kill them all in a Blair-witch sort of way
3. Probally. As he readies for the dawn, it jumps him to a point right after sunset.
4. Alex
5. Needlepoint, painting, and cooking the flesh of virgin humans
6. Well, Angela surely dreams of something electric and battery operated... ;)

DPH: <Fine, then. The objective would be to be able to transport enough people off to ensure a healthy genetic population. I'm talking about nothing less than ensuring the surival of the human species against anything.>
Then just the genetic material cryo-frozen. That could fit on the current shuttle.

Way to go! Winzip!

Siryn: <I'm sure Hudson ended up doing laundry>
Or Chavez!
"OK! Who keeps leaving their stinking loincloths in the sink?"

lain: <the third one is "beaver air.">
heh heh. She said beaver!

SJ: <Oh My God. You’ve just condemned your soul to hell>
I know my fate and I am damned!
Fire Storm
Monday, February 4, 2002 12:03:44 AM
IP: 216.254.103.103

Well, goddamn, the Patriots won the Superbowl. This angers me on a few levels, since I didn’t think they should have even been in there to begin with, but now I gotta live with it. Which really wouldn’t bother me that much, except now I gotta hear all those drunk idiots in BAHston crow about this in their horrific accents. I suppose we shouldn’t be too hard on them….after all, Boston routinely wins NOTHING (I mean, even we here in Washington laugh at their lack of success in sports), so we gotta throw them a bone now and then, right?

Besides, I didn’t bet money on the game, so it’s not as if I’m a loser on the bowl.

I have to admit, though, I enjoyed the half-time show with U2. I was happy to see them do the tribute to the 9-11 victims. They’ve been doing that at their arena shows, and it’s very emotional. If you didn’t see the half-time show, and you don’t know what it’s about, while they are singing, U2 has a big-ass screen set up behind them, and upon that screen, they run the names of all of the confirmed dead from the 9-11 tragedy. The people in the Towers, the people who died on the airlines, the police, firemen, EMT workers…..everyone who has been identified. They run those names on the screen, and dear God, the list just goes on forever, Lain.

Oops, why did I mention that name? Maybe it’s because I lack subtlety. I’m gonna have to work on that.

DPH: <<Hmm. I am beginning to wonder if the Vorlons messed with Earth's development, especially considering what they did to Jack the Ripper.>> They did. They screwed with a lot of the younger races, as did the Shadows.

Greg: I think GB’s problem with Kevin Smith stems from Dogma. Which really isn’t nearly as blasphemous as I think some Catholic Church members make it out to be.

GB: <<Now, we shoudlw ork with teh Germans in invading France.>> Did you see how eager the Germans were to help us with Afghanistan? They’re dying to invade SOMETHING. I think they offered to invade Israel for us, but we politely declined. <<> Respect for lIncoln should not be doled out too easily. He suspended the Constitution and never freed teh slaves in Union states.>> That reminds me of that old Lincoln joke:
Q: What did Lincoln say after a 5 day binger?
A: “I freed the WHO?”

Fire Storm: <<Installing Windows 98 Second Edition">> Oh My God. You’ve just condemned your soul to hell.
Someone contact Josh and every other Mac user available, and quickly exorcise this poor man before it’s too late.

Mooncat: <<gee thanks, but the whole point of keeping abortion legal is so we women DON'T have to put hangers up our hoo has and crap like that.>> Please don’t step on the joke, hon.

Gunjack: <<Why not meet the "Fetus" half way? Carry it to term, deliver it, and then expose it. Leave it on a hillside somewhere, and anyone who wants it can have it.>> Because they lack the courage. Today’s coddled generation. I remember the days fondly when those who didn’t want their kids had the guts to let them die by exposure!

Good…hell, GREAT news in the world of comic books: Neil Gaiman, that sweet lovable Brit, is suing the pants off of “The Great Satan” Todd McFarlane, on a huge list of charges, including copyright infringement and fraud. Yes, Todd, that nasty son of a bitch, looks like he’s finally bitten off more than he can chew, and may have to pay the piper for it.
If you don’t know what this is all about, basically, it’s this: Todd’s an asshole.
Well, more specifically, Todd wants the rights to the comic Miracleman, which is a brilliant work that Gaiman and other guys (such as the SUPERtalented Alan Moore) have put their hearts and souls into and Todd has just claimed it as his own. Gaiman doesn’t want Todd to get his whore hands upon his beloved work, so he’s suing his ass. Click on my name to read the article (along with, ahem, some commentary from comic fans) detailing the case.

And in bad comic book news, the Daredevil movie continues on the path to suckitude.
Already with the atrocious casting of Ben Affleck as Daredevil (and the not so bad casting of Jennifer Gardner as Elektra), they give us this crap: Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin. That’s wrong on so many levels. If you read the comic, you know why.
Oh, and they’re considering Horatio Sanz for Foggy Nelson. I shall now become violently ill.

Whatever, it’s not as if they really want to make a GOOD comic book movie at this point.

Why Canadians like Americans: because without the French and the Monarchy, they’re just Americans. And we Americans only want them for one thing – their body.

And THAT was written by a Canadian comedian.

Sevarius Jr. - [<---Clicky.]
Sunday, February 3, 2002 11:51:45 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Silvadel - <Actually no -- it doesnt corrospond to what was written in the history books -- that is one reason why I am concerned> Then, those history books aren't accurate. Don't tell me: you traveled to the future to find out when Timedancer season 4 premiered. If you did, why didn't you bother reading all of Timedancer season 4 while you were in the future? If you did read all of Timedancer season 4 in the future, then why are you complaining about when it will be released? If you sent a friend to the future to find out when Timedancer season 4 premiered, that friend should have brought you back copies so you shouldn't be complaining now. Another possibility: you are looking at when Timedancer season 4 premiered in another universe. Now I believed I've demolished your whole argument.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 3, 2002 11:33:23 PM
IP: 204.94.193.73

*enters*
HEY!!
no fighting!!! people trying to get along!! :D
woohoo!!
we should get used to this.. :D

super.. bowl? what is this "superbowl" of which you speak?
;)

so.. had a day filled with nothingness today. no, not a zen day, i just didnt do anything.. cept lounge around, clean a bit, play a whole lot with ishy (hes so CUTE!!!!) gab with gunjack.. and get addicted to the most annoying game ever: metal gear solid. (yes, warps, it IS even more annoying than clickomania.. if such a thing is physically possible..
:P)

fleur>> <> ooooohhh.. wouldnt that be the sweetest thing of them all.. :D <<I’m pro-choice. Not pro-abortion, which is a slightly different thing to me.>> YAY!!! i understand, no worries. <<Something I’ve noticed is that it’s very easy to offer
opinions on how something ‘should be done’ when you aren’t actually the one doing it.>> very true..

josh>> <<Does that mean you finally got a high speed connection?>> yessir.. and ive had one for awhile.. about as long as ive had my new computer.. AAAAND my high-speed ethernet costs me a whopping 10$ per month! huzzah! <<Perhaps its flaming masterdebating.>> LOL!

jan>> das one cute kid. :)

sj>> <<The Great Abortion Debate: No one really cares what your opinion on the subject is. Unless you share their opinion, n which case, you can babble all about it>> das true also. <<I suppose the reason why I find this debate so silly is because......I'm a brutal nationalist. I will bitch
about this country all I want, but if given the option, I would not take any other country but this one.....except maybe the Bahamas, but that's because the water there is perfect and you can get laid easier than a millionaire in the Bunny Ranch.>> no actually, i didnt roll my eyes at all.. i was too busy laughing.. ;).. you know.. i dont actually want to make you hate your country. thats not the point at all. sure you do bad stuff.. every nation does. its just that.. you shouldnt pretend it doesnt happen, because then people dont learn from stuff, and noone will ever progress, thats all.

patrick>> <<And no, I don't consider "read Lain's posts" to be all I need.>> um.. thats a GOOD thing.. cos i *HAVE* been known to be wrong.. er.. not that it happens OFTEN, of course.. ;) <<I'm just finding it incredibly amusing right now that all I had to do to be labled a conservative right wing Republican is speak up with an opinion that babies have souls.>> geesh.. id hate to wonder what would happen to ME if i said i thought there was something fishy about this whole "bin laden" thing.. *ducks* <<Curse you... as far as your comments on the USA, I have to agree with you yet again. I love the USA... and I don't care what anyone from North North Dakota (my proposed new name for Canada) has to say about it.>> << north north dakota? o.O how bout calling it "the freezer"? (THATS not a fishstick, dubya! thats a captive market!!!) cos thats pretty much what its been like for the past little while.. :P and again.. im sorry if ive given the impression that i want you to hate your country, cos thats not it at all. i guess i come across wrong sometimes, and im sorry for that.

fire storm>> <<"Installing Windows 98 Second Edition">> LOL!!

green baron>> <<Anyone against Israel is a neo-Nazi even if they'rew earing rags on their heads>> oh.. well thats nice to know.. :P <<How about a fourth, fifth and sixth time ;P>> JERKFACE!!!!!! <<Ack!! Every kid I know that was homeschooled turned out REALLY screwed up.>> *gives gunjack a very long, pointed stare* ooooh baby yes.. o.O

****WHY CANADIANS REALLY *DO* LIKE AMERICANS****
an excerpt from "this hour has 22 minutes" segment called "talking to americans", which involves rick mercer interviewing americans.. this time in illanois. this is a few years ago..

rick mercer: big news in canada, canadas going to get its own airline and were trying to come up with a name. we have three options on the table that the canadian people can choose from. the first one is "air moose" the second one is "air canuck" and the third one is "beaver air." which one do you like?
random american #1: a) "air moose"
random american #2: id go with the.. uh.. "air moose"
rick mercer: some critics in canada say "air moose" sounds a little too much like "hair mousse" and people will make fun of us if our airline is called "air moose"..
random american #1: oh, i dont know what theyre talking about! "air moose" sounds PERFECT!
random american #2: yeah, i think theres a giant discrepancy between hair products and airlines.
**
random american #3: congradulations canada, on getting fm radio!
**
rick mercer: now the president of the united states has us sending 600 troops into east timor and if that doesnt do the trick, he might be forced to bomb the mall in west edmonton. do you think thats a possibility?
random american #4: yeah um.. i guess that could be a possibility..
rick mercer: hes gonna be forced to bomb the mall in west edmonton, and you support that?
random american #5: yes, i do.
**
random american #6: congradulations canada, on getting a volunteer fire station!
**
random american #7: congradulations canada, on getting grade 9!
**
random american #8: congradulations canada, on getting running water in all five.. states..?

PSSHHT! and they say canadian television doesnt have good programming! ;) (hey, dont worry, the show makes as much fun of US as it does of YOU.. like when they called the "doris day" referendum.. and changed the course of canadian politics..;))
****END WHY CANADIANS REALLY DO LOVE AMERICANS****

siryn>> re: foreign policy.. uh.. yeah.. what you said ;)

okay, thats about it.. maybe just.. ONE more round of metal gear solid.. maybe.. ... .......

love,
lain
the Great White North, eh?
Sunday, February 3, 2002 11:23:26 PM
IP: 64.228.194.25

As for what Demona does in her spare time -- sorcery is a full time occupation =) Although I am certain she has also lived life and tried to experience its nuances.
silvadel
Sunday, February 3, 2002 11:06:41 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

DPH -- Actually no -- it doesnt corrospond to what was written in the history books -- that is one reason why I am concerned ;)
silvadel
Sunday, February 3, 2002 11:04:46 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

<<5) Beyond sorcery and trying to wipe out humanity, what hobbies has Demona had in her thousand year life span?>>

I'd imagine learning of all sorts. Research etc related to sorcery. Collecting things. She had lots of stuff in her attic, and it didn't all look sorcerous.

just a thought before bedtime
MC
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, February 3, 2002 11:03:28 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Heh..oops.. ^_^;;

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/images/jm4.jpg

THAT link should work now.. ^_^;; (and yes..I drew it.)

Josh> Re cookie: Ummm yet another feeble minded attempt at me being funny..If anyone DOES find out how to send cookies over email..I would really like to know though! ;D You would answer a cookie with a THANNKYOU! ^_^

Patrick> FINALLY got sleep this weekend..although it was really kinda bad...I kept FALLING asleep...O.o;; I could't stay up! PS. everything SHOULD be off the page now.

Oh my goodness! My boyfriend was soooooooo sweet to me today! He was like, "Do you want to go to media play?" (DVD/music store in my area) I was like, "Umm sure I'd love to go..why?" "Oh, I thought I would by you the Atlantis DVD set since you've been wanting it so much."

He was serious too!! Not only that..he bought me the collector's edition!!! When I asked him why he was doing this, he shrugged and said, "Just because!!!" *MELTS!!!!* eeeeeeeeeeeeee...No guy has EVER done that for me before!!

Sorry..Had to share that. ^_^;;

Jan> Congrats on the grandkid!! :D

Prolife/ProChoice

Surprisingly, Mooncat already stated a lot of my views. I am pro-choice (there WAS a time I was pro-life, but views change sometimes)

I agree with Jenn and Jan on their points about a man not knowing..cause honestly guys, you won't. <:) No offense meant..but eh. ~_^

Although being pro-choice CAN be hard to stomach...I was watching a film for anthropology (I'm somewhat minoring in it) about the Chinese 1 child system...and believe me..some stuff wasn't pretty. It saddened me GREATLY a lot of the social, governmental, and work peer pressure's women go through to make sure they do NOT have more than one child. (In fact, the video went so far as to tell the story of one woman, who finally after refusing to give up her baby after 8 months of pregnancy, finally succumbed and had the baby aborted. It was VERY very sad...even when she spoke about doing the 'best for her country' I could see how sad she was. :( ) Overpopulation in China IS a hard pressed issue that effects us all (even if we haven't yet seen the results of this) but talk about moral choices... :/ (Just for info, the woman, in my personal opinion, should have been allowed to keep the baby. Her and her husband made plenty of money to support an extra child, and she had NOT signed the 'one baby contract'. (It's a contract that the parents promise only to have one child, in retrn for lots of money and free benefits such as schooling, first choice in universities and jobs, and health care))

American being blamed
There are good and bad people everywhere. The problem is, the army people REPRESENT us overseas. People stereotype overseas just as much as we do in the US. Now, I've hung out at Korean bars with a lot of soldiers, some of them are really cool, talk about their familes, showing pictures of their wives, but at the same time, I've seen some not so nice soldiers. Soldiers making fun and going so far as to PUSH a Korean police car down a sloped Road, yell at Korean vendors in English for not understanding them or for not givening them the lowest price possible. I mean, there is still the idea in Korea that Korean women who hang out with soldier men are seen as 'unclean' or 'prostitutes'. (because for a long time, those were the only type of women who would hang out with soldires)
My minority group relations class was talking ahout this on thursday. What's scary is that some teachers and professors in Acedamia, are being fired for asking their students to discuss alternatives to going to war. Freedom of speech?? I mean..to me, George Bush's state of the union didn't touch base on some things I really wish it had. (for example...the economy?) A lot of stuff I've heard lately reminds me of the propoganda of WW2 (which, I'm not saying is bad, I'm all for American spirit..it's just interesting)
Our overseas policy has got to be questioned. Yes, US donates Millions of tax dollars to help these other countries...but you also have to think of this..why do these guys hate us so much? I mean, ignorance is one thing..but take israel and pakistan for example. We send TONS of money to israel, we fund them (they're the ONLY country in the middle east we're technically on 'good terms' with). The UN created the land they are on. Now, the people of Pakistan used to live in Israel, they were driven out of their homes, basically told, 'go find some other place to live.' In the 60s, Israel took over MORE land that belonged to the Pakistans and colonized it. And now, they have soldiers in those areas (that they shouldn't be in in the first place) who are supposed to be 'protecting' these colonists. Where does the US fit in? We send large amounts of money to Israel, but almost none to pakistan. (actually, I'm not sure we send any right now? i might be wrong on that) In their eyes, we're funding the enemy. That makes us the bad guys. Israel has broken numerous treaties and has committed mass murder and STILL the US funds them..

Note: This isn't to say Pakistan isn't totally to blame either or take away the atrocities they have done as well.

We need to look at our foreign policy and change it. Pure and simple. Surprisingly, a lot of problems deal with more than just politics. -_-;; There are cultural, societal, economic, and even environmental factors to consider.. -_-;;

Blah, enough serous stuff! ;D
1) Owen does them!! (or at least, for a while, then while they were in the clock tower I'm sure Hudson ended up doing laundry. ;)

2)The Mayan clan would win, because they can stay up all through the day. ;)

3) I don't think so. Jetlag only happens when your body is is used to a different 24 hour period. Of course, it is very possible he COULD get jetlag, but this is because say, Time A Brooklyn was in it was late at night, and then when he jumped Time B it was in the middle of the afternoon. That would definately cause him to have jetlag. :)

4) Vinny!!! We wuv Vinny!! *wears her Vinny t-shirt* hehe. ^_^

5) World Travel and sightseeing(since she supposedly knows and is in touch with the clans from around the world?)

6) Bronx chasing sheep? O.o;; (well, at least Bronx dreams of that! ;)

Eep! Long post..enough computer for me!
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Sunday, February 3, 2002 10:47:25 PM
IP: 129.21.145.3

DPH > You were born in 1977, and last year (2001) you celebrated your 24th birthday. Thanks. It's been a while since I've solved simultaneous equations by hand and that was a fun diversion for 30 seconds or so. :)
Patrick Toman
Sunday, February 3, 2002 10:07:58 PM
IP: 66.72.207.40

**looks at Green Baron** - <How about DPH and Daphne become a CR couple?> I don't think so. I was offering to be nice. There are enough complications in my life right now. Thanks for remembering my birthday.

Because I'm thinking outside the box, I'll offer a clue as to how old I am. Last year, the sum of the digits of the year I was born equaled my age.

Green Baron - I agree. I prefer science fiction that isn't more than 25% technobabble.

Spacebabie - <3.and endangerment to the mother> Define endangerment. Does that health or just physical health. Some Pro-Choice people have gotten to the point of saying they are in favor of only allowing abortions when the health of the mother is in danger. Sounds reasonable, right? Wrong. That includes mental health. Example of why that's unreasonable: the new baby might provide extra stressors on the mother so that her mental health is in danger so abortion becomes legal not matter what. Both sides play word-games too much.

Imzadi - Huh? I thought you'd agree with that voice about being used. In case you're wondering, that voice in my head is wondering if I am being used by my friend, NOT by my dad.

Fire Storm - <Installing Windows 98 Second Edition"> I wonder what you'd say about me using shareware for over 2 years when I was supposed to register it after 30 days.

Silvadel - New episodes of Timedancer season 4 will be published when history records that new episodes of Timedancer season 4 were published. Take comfort in knowing that the TGS staff is doing breakdowns for both Pendragon and Gargoyles (or is it Gargoyles and Pendragon?).

Fire Storm - <Your kidding, right?> Fine, then. The objective would be to be able to transport enough people off to ensure a healthy genetic population. I'm talking about nothing less than ensuring the surival of the human species against anything.

**BABYLON 5 SPOILERS**
Hmm. I am beginning to wonder if the Vorlons messed with Earth's development, especially considering what they did to Jack the Ripper. It leads to the same theological questions that "Highlander" leads to.
**END BABYLON 5 SPOILERS**

GXB - <YOU ALL GET SHOT!> Harm any ground hogs and we'll see about the consequences. Consider DisOrientation **pulls out a monitor showing DisOrientation with a look of paranoia all over.** and think about your actions.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 3, 2002 09:59:16 PM
IP: 204.94.193.41

1) Who does the gargoyles' laundry? Surely their clothes (such as they are) do need the occasional wash?

Owen has people to do that.

2) Imagine a version of Survivor featuing the gargoyles. Who would win, and why?

Brooklyn. With his knowledge of the future, he could know who to vote for to most effectively eleminate his opposition. Sata would have the same opportunity, but would be too honorable to use the information. His luxury item could be a plasma rifle, too.

3) Does the Timedancer get his own form of jet lag, considering he's often jumping from one time period to another?

He actually has in some of the stories. More worrisome than that, though, would be the chance that he'll materialize in the air at dawn some time...

4) If Brooklyn had not become the Timedancer, who would have been best (or worst!) to take his place?

Vinny.

5) Beyond sorcery and trying to wipe out humanity, what hobbies has Demona had in her thousand year life span?

Watching her enemies get old and die.
Sabotoging national retiremenet plans so her old, dying enemies will have to spend their last days in poverty and squalor.
Collecting Beanie Babies.

6) If androids dream of electric sheep, what do gargoyles dream of?

Greg Wiesman catching Michael Eisner in the middle of committing a felony.

David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, February 3, 2002 09:20:54 PM
IP: 64.48.223.250

Mooncat -- So you made pork chops -- wrap em in aluminum foil and put them in the fridge and get your KFC... The pork chops will heat up fine tomorrow.
silvadel
Sunday, February 3, 2002 08:29:14 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Patrick -- eek! Until you mentioned it, I'd forgotten this was Superbowl Sunday. Well rats. I usually buy KFC fried chicken on Superbowl Sunday, 'cause they usually have a special. Made porkchops instead. phooie... another tradition bites the dust.

*mc toddles off to write new fic*

>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, February 3, 2002 08:02:15 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

PATRICK TOMAN - (re the answer to No. 3): Don't forget also the rather snooty bespectacled dog, or the curly-haired fellow with the extra-long scarf and police box. :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, February 3, 2002 07:57:23 PM
IP: 63.183.39.134

Stupid answers to silly questions...

1) Little does Elisa know what domestic duties traditionally fall to the clan leader's mate... or how agitated Goliath can be when his loincloth has been overstarched.

2) It's a toss up who would win, but a sure bet that Angela (the "hot chick" contestant) would be featured prominently in the three months of lead-up advertising and then be the first one voted off. She will get revenge, though, by appearing on David Letterman the next night and telling all in a special "Top Ten List".

3) No jet lag, but he has gotten served with several copyright infringement suits, including ones from a wild eyed scientist from 1985 and two slacker kids from San Dimas, CA. "Station!"

4) Kramer, from Seinfeld. "You've gotta check this out, Jerry..."

5) Knitting, stamp collecting, and most recently, riverdancing. "Foolish human, _I_ am the true Lord of the Dance!"
6) Last night, they dreamt of San Pedro...

:: goes back to watching the Super Bowl ::
Patrick Toman
Sunday, February 3, 2002 07:52:32 PM
IP: 66.72.207.40

Sorry... Click my name link to view the TGS CR Member profiles list.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/
Lady Mystic
Sunday, February 3, 2002 07:40:50 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

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UPDATES:

The week of January 27th to February 1st has been added to the 2002 Archive.
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I have emailed profile drafts to Warpmind de InzanE and Patrick Toman. I am currently awaiting their reply. I am also awaiting Mara Cordova's reply on her draft.

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Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Sunday, February 3, 2002 07:28:45 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

Sorry, cyberclaw, a few of my answers here are serious. Though not all of them.

1. Most likely their garments get renewed by stone sleep (after all, if it heals wounds and injuries, it certainly ought to freshen their loincloths!)

2. (One of the serious ones, sorry). I can't seriously imagine gargoyles going for "Survivor" - their attitude is far too focused on the survival of the entire community rather than one or two individuals - "The clan stands or falls together." With the exception of Demona and Thailog, of course; they'd probably betray just about anybody (Thailog, especially) to keep on going and ensure their own survival.

Yes, most likely Thailog, if he was permitted in the game (which doesn't strike me as all that likely, though).

3. Sorry, but that information is classified.

4. Your guess is as good as mine.

5. Demona taking up hobbies other than looking for ways to commit genocide? If you can seriously believe that, then there are a few bridges out there that I'd like to sell to you....

6. Gargoyles most likely dream about the same sort of things that humans do - if likely gargoylized. (Except that they have the disadvantage of being unable to wake up from a nightmare until sunset - now there's a scary thought).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, February 3, 2002 07:21:20 PM
IP: 63.183.39.134

Damn, things around here have been getting very serious lately.

So, maybe it's time to try and lighten the mood a little. Here's a little gargoyles-related quiz. But remember, I'm not looking for any serious answers. Try to keep things fun. Let's see who can come up with the funniest answers. Or maybe someone would like to suggest further questions?

1) Who does the gargoyles' laundry? Surely their clothes (such as they are) do need the occasional wash?

2) Imagine a version of Survivor featuing the gargoyles. Who would win, and why?

3) Does the Timedancer get his own form of jet lag, considering he's often jumping from one time period to another?

4) If Brooklyn had not become the Timedancer, who would have been best (or worst!) to take his place?

5) Beyond sorcery and trying to wipe out humanity, what hobbies has Demona had in her thousand year life span?

6) If androids dream of electric sheep, what do gargoyles dream of?

That's all I can think of right now. If anymore come to mind, I'll post them. But for now, try out these and see what you come up with.

Just don't forget. It's just for fun.

All from me...
cyberklaw - [cyberklaw@yahoo.com]
London, UK
Sunday, February 3, 2002 07:00:33 PM
IP: 64.12.102.26

My next piece in the Flesh and Stone series, is now up. "We'll Always Have Paris" -- Macbeth/Demona story. A little different from my usual bent. It is a NC17 story, but it borders more on a hard R than a true X.

Just thought I'd mention it.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, February 3, 2002 05:42:50 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Jan > awww! Cute! Thanks for the peek.

Debates > nuh-uh, not me ... my opinion's not going to change anyone else's and though I'm overdue to be called a bitch, I can wait until I get to work. :P

Christine
Sunday, February 3, 2002 03:37:52 PM
IP: 64.24.187.139

Oh, well, as I promised, here is some longer post...

Oh, about the debates...hm, for sure I am not going to intervene. I have nothing to say on the topics discussed, not into here at least...and furthermore, the I don't like at all the tone of the discussion. Those who know me a little can easily guess what more or less are my opinions, and about the others, it is not their business. Anyway, about the abortion I practically agree with what Fleur said.

Jan:> <<The guy would have regretted the day he was born! I haven’t heard you talk of this before – I hope that she dumped his skanky ass! Eesh!>> Well, the guy had the good sense of no more showing his face around. He was not of our usual group of friends, and as far as I know nobody met him after that. Good for him, for we all were and still are very protective with each other...
<<Zach>> Oh-oohh! The baby is so sweet! He really looks like an angel! :)
I'd like to write you tonight, but I fear I will have no time...expect a email tomorrow!

Josh:> << In most plastic models, there isn't much going on in either the intakes or the exhaust nozzles. >> I misexpressed myself...actually, it is the air intakes and the exhausts themselves I am inerested in...their geometry, you know...
<<Well what did she do? >> You mean after I took her home? As far as I know, she has never seen or heard of the guy anymore...I personally think it is a good thing.
<<Again, lost in the translation, I think. "wood" is slang for an erection. >> Oh...
<<That would cost money.>> Hmmm...not that much ,I think...
<<Thought so. >> Mother Nature is a bitch sometimes, isn't it?
<<Have either of you stopped to think that she might have done SOMETHING to deserve that? >> Now, leaving apart the fact I would NEVER abandon anyone in the middle of nothing with -7° C at 7 Km from the nearest inhabited place (and luckily the cellphone had field), you can say that just because you don't know Francesca (my friend). She is the sweetest person I have never known, and she would do no harm to anyone. She never told me exactly what had happened (and I haven't asked) but I suspect he tried to *force* her in something she didn't want to do...
<<Okay then I can probably skip it. >> I suggest you to see it. It is a good movie. And, remember that Italian actress I linked you to some weeks ago? She has some very...intriguing...scenes in that movie...;)
<<LOL! That is the funniest thing I've read in a LONG time.>> I will refer.

Spacebabie:> <<So that’s what the trench coat was for.>> <laughs> Nice!

Fleur:> << BTW, I checked out the link. Give your friends my thanks for the amusement. :)>> You could eventually do it by yourself, since you know them as well. Anyway, I will pass your thanks.
<< Since I’m from a country ...>> Ehm...may I ask you where are you writing from? (the country, I mean) It is just curiosity, I assure you.

Warpmind:> <<Anything that can make a JW reconsider his beliefs is good. >> Unluckily, I've never been able even to induce a JW to eventually *think* about his beliefs (I've never been able to do so with the Catholics as well, I must say...), so I must limit to joke them...

Winterwolf:> Thanks for the wishes...I'm gonna need them. About vampires, yes, what you report is the "classical" way of killing them...I must admit I had made some confusion about undeads and lycantropes in D&D. BTW, something I have always wondered about: how would react to a cross a muslim vampire?
Say hello to your beautiful girlfriend!

Gside:> << Thanks. It's just that, sadly, I have an idea for the biginning and some plot points of a fic. >> You're welcome. I suspected it was the reason for you to ask. If you need further clarifications, you just have to ask.

Seems to me it is all. See everyone.
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Sunday, February 3, 2002 02:10:18 PM
IP: 213.213.18.147

Flaming Mass Debating? I knew there was a reason to stay out of these discussions :)

josh>> <Here's a tip: its not anonymous if you tell her you're sending them. > ah, semantics. Are you sure you're not a closet English major? :)

<Hallmark is the spawn of satan> I've said it before: you learn something new every day.

<SHOOT IT! > DPH might have a problem with that.

spacebabie>> <Chocolate is chocolate and its better if there is caramel in the center. >
I'm not a big caramel fan (pronounced car-mel), but for a creamy coconut center, I might give in :)

<its allright if you want to buy it for yourself> I just might... on the 15th. It's cheaper then anyway :)

Fire storm>> actually, my psychic best friend (who was right about the Eagles among many other predictions) says the Rams will win. He's still rooting for the Patriots, though.

DPH>> <thank you for remembering my birthday. > you make it so easy :)

<That should answer any questions about how far I will go to protect those ground hogs. > see, josh?
hey... maybe if we could convince DC to attack the groundhog... :)

GB>>> <How about DPH and Daphne become a CR couple?>

[looks from GB to DPH with shocked, astonished look on my face] what?

[still trying to wrap my mind around GB's words]

[watching the groundhog scurry out of the room for another year]

oh well.

GOd bless!
Daphne
Sunday, February 3, 2002 01:13:12 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

GB> <<Kevin Smith>> Hey, what's wrong with Kevin Smith??? The guy is a genius! One of the greatest film-mamkers to ever live. <> I went to a public school and I turned out fine. <<Granted when my father quit drinking, he has much improved and also has a wonderful dry wit.>> Well my father doesn't have that excuse since he's not a heavy drinker. <> Have you ever head "The Most Offensive Song Ever" from "South Park"? THe one sung by Kenny and Mr. Hankey? I'm planning to post the lyrics in here next X-Mas. I'm sure you'll love it. ::Laughs maniacally:: buh bye!
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, February 3, 2002 12:32:41 PM
IP: 216.179.3.39

Greetings all in the CR. Man, it seem sthat I miss postinga few days and we have some common discussions.

Abortion> I beleive that life begins at conception. If I didn't, I'd be one fo those false Catholics liek Ted Kennedy, Kevin Smith, most of France, and the so-called Catholcis for a Free Choice, which are an anti-Catholic organization posing as Catholic.

But my religious views are not enough for me to consider a political mandate. I do not favor teh Goevrnemnet trying to impose Economic "Justice" or allow the welfare poor to prey on the rich, middle class and working poor like they do now, just to create a sense of equality.

I think that the arguments of soemone liek Doris Gordon, a pro-life atheist, would be more effective as far as abortion laws go, but all tehabortion laws in teh world won't stop people from having them. I think soemthing needs to be done at the community level in non-legal ways. I do my part by keeping my vriginity and not riskingteh chance of raising a child I am not ready for. I have even thought of castrating myself to make certain that I won't slip up, but I am too much of a wous to withstand that level pain. Plus, no doctors in thsi age of hedonism would consider perfroming a castration with anstheisa; I'd instead be locked in an asylum for requesting it.

I do beleive that those who do not want children should either not have sex, remove their genitalia or neutralize it. Harsh, yes, but responsible.

Death Penalty> I used to be 100% in support of it along with torture, flogging, eliminating the 8th Ammendment, and public humiliation. Now, I am not as supportive. The death penalty is expensive due to excessive appeals and taht death row is still a hotel. I support putting prisoners on 12 hour work days, and lifers on 16 hour workdays. Prisoners make an inexpensive work force that can eliminate the need for tax dollars since tehy can be self-sufficient. Thsoe who are lfiers we don't need to worry about reform and we can work em to death instead of execution. I got six hours of sleep in Basic Training. So can they.

Fire Strom> <<Or a zombie cook book>> I've always wondered what human meat tastes like. Now, I just need to find theright peasant village :) Granted, I prefer someone who washes daily.

<<Any money I plan to put into the stock market is money that I feel there is a good chance to loose anyway>> Index funds are good to avoid too much risk. They're volatile, but if index funds go bankrupt, you'll have much worse problems than losing money. Imagine the chaos of 1929.

Metaldemon> <<yes, Green Baron, France actually suffered really bad because of the Aristocrats :}>> An dto replace aristocrats they instil soemthing far worse, then they are led by Napoleon, since he was a minor Corsican noble family and I guess dagos were spared form the reign of terror. Still, any Revolution that endangers my family is not one I look fondly upon.

Lain> <<do i have to explain what i ACTUALLY said for a THIRD time? o.O >> How about a fourth, fifth and sixth time ;P

Imzadi> <<And aren't you so much better for it?>> Well, my favorite comments were SJ's description of Elvis's death. That had me laughing for a while.

<<Ack!! Every kid I know that was homeschooled turned out REALLY screwed up.>> Not really, my ex-girlefirend was homeschooled and aside form an anti-Catholic predjudice (her hoemschooling was provided by Bob Jones University so it's not surprising) she was fairly normal. I think its the reasons and the approach. iF my wife doesn't chose a job, I'm not going to shell out all that dough for some private school. I have very littel faith in public schools,a nd I think homeschooling can be done right. There are other ways to promote socialization. The real problem is that parenst use homeschooling to create a protective bubble around their child. I am not going to do anything like that. I want children who are less naive than I was and more self-sufficient, also more ambitious. Granted I'd turn any mentally deficient child into a household servant, but it will make him feel appreciated.

Spacebabie>>I need my puffer, even if its cheap Ekards brand version of Primateen mist.>> It was more said in jest.

<<HE? Uh dud this is why you should write cr responses on MS works then copy and paste…or whatever the Mac users have.>> I may be hasty, but is that any reason to call me a dud ;)

<<About Anna’s baby not being born yet. I’ts obvious he is a typical male. Doesn’t want to leave home>> That remind me of a joke about the three reasons why Jesus was Jewish.

Happy Birthday to DPH.

Valentine's day> How about DPH and Daphne become a CR couple?

Ed> <<As for visiting the UK, well the Golden Jubilee ought to be a laugh...>> Golden Jubilee? What's that? Why would the UK need a Senate? They have the House of Lords.

SJ> <<We now have a base in a country formerly part of the Soviet Union. We've got a foothold in Asia (in the old USSR, no less), and we want to keep it - to keep an eye on China.>> Isn't it ironic, but look at how many bases we have in Germany. Lord knows we save the nation a fortune in defense with all of us here. Now, we shoudlw ork with teh Germans in invading France.

Ravyn> A scot pulled thsi crap. Oh woe. She has disgraced my own countrypeople. Then again, she was probably of peasant stock without Baron's blood, so it explains her lowly behavior.

Greg X> Your father soudns like a first class wine. I thought my father was bad. Granted when my father quit drinking, he has much improved and also has a wonderful dry wit.

Israel situation> Anyone against Israel is a neo-Nazi even if they'rew earing rags on their heads instead of brown shirts, plus Aryan Nation types support Palestinian statehood as long as they stay in the desert.

Shinigami> When did you become so partisan? As for Clinton, he's due for a heart attack. I won't be too upset whne he gets one.

Silvadel> <<We have like no chance of getting through to them.>> You're right. We lobotomize and convert them into cheap labor. We could pay them less than immigrant day laborers.

<<1. Humanity as a whole, good or bad?>>
Good, but flawed, and self-interested, though that can be a good thing.

<<2. What came first, the chicken or the egg?>>
The egg. As for theological reasoning, I can imagine St. Augustine being very amused by chicken and egg discussions. I'd love to read what GK Chesterton and Cardinal Newman would have to say about it.

<<3. Why is science-fiction considered to be 'geeky'?>>
Because sci-fi has changed form the stroytelling devices of HG Wells and Jules Verne to be more scientific and containing applied theories and physics which appeals to those who are scientifically oriented. I much prefer the display of human characters and plots oand intrigue (like Babylon Five or the book Merchant Prince) to the scientific aspects.

Metaldemon> Respect for lIncoln should not be doled out too easily. He suspended the Constitution and never freed teh slaves in Union states. Franklin Roosevelt also used repressive tactics andtried to pack the Supreme Court, plus he and Earl Warren committed attrocities against American citizens for being Japanese or Aleutian who looked kinda Japanese.

At leats you have no respect for Lyndon Johnson who was teh worst President we ever had and by far the most dishonest, underhanded, corrupt, and evil.

Hawks and Doves> Doves taste pretty good, but nothingbetas a good quail or pheasant.

Jaden> You have gate guard. That sucks. All teh Engineers whopulled gate guard are being replaced by weekend warriors serving six month rotations. I did QRF along with personnel, but it was a sham duty involving loads of time at the Office with the Internet. It also got me out of an FTX. Too bad you didn't pick a 70 series MOS, though you'd have no chance of making Sergeant. Good luck on those courses, work on soem awards and correspondence, plus weapon and PT. I hope you make E-5 before you get out. You have more of a shot than I will.

Yooper> In some parts of teh world, they respect force. Sadly we need to use force to get them to talk. As a UPer what do you think of Bart Stupak?

Military spending> Finance soldiers deserve to have their pay doubled. Also we need more update equipment so we can do our job fatser and receive hostile fire pay if we get more than 20 customers in Customer Service in one day :)

Silvadel> <<If you are interested in my view on the subject, my belief is that there isnt a soul there until the baby shows some volition.. Before that it is all autopilot... Hence it is usually weeks after a baby is born that it acquires a soul -- personally I think aborting a mentally malformed fetus etc is sparing a soul from having to endure a life in that body>> Well, Bush believes the same thing when he gave his speech about potential for life. Beleiving a soul coems in there later on si too Protestant for my beliefs anyway.

Gunjack> Thomas Sowell wroet Visions of teh Annointed. Then I have to get that book. Thoams Sowell is a brilliant Economist along with Walter Williams. I long for teh day when men like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Larry Elder replace frauds liek Jesse Jackson, John Leiws and Al Sharpton as politcial leaders of African Americans.

As for being nauseated, that's normal to be disgusted by soemthing. I find it more disturbing than anything else and saddening, though taht doesn't mena much form soemone who sees mentally deficient as cheap labor or public Entrtainment: "Tim-may!!"

I find the notion of Joseph and Mary having carnal relations very sickening as well as blasphemous, and I imagine soem folks in the cR are disturbed about notions of infant baptism.

Jan> Well, I'm gald you're raising Zach. His father should be castrated form how you've described him. Hopefully, Anna will get a guilttrip and join a convent to stabilize her life. Just remember to teach him good values and you'll be the best grandmother, though I doubt you ahve much in teh way of competition.

Firestorm> <<Kill'em all and let's eat!>> That's too Chinese. Besides, Hillary Clinton gets first pick of all babies sacrificed to her altar ;)

Fleur> <<I’m also against people with disabilities being sterilised.>> I recall many of them aren't genetic. I do howver beleive in castrating fathers who won't take responsibility for their children. The biggest cause of poverty is illegitimacy and draconian measures against deadbeat dads would do the trick. It's probbaly a small number of jerks responsible and a littel clipping or acid would do the trick.

Spacebabie> <<Protest with signs. Buy a pro life bumper sticker, but don’t throw a rock. Write a poem or a song, read the bible out loud, but don’t pick up a gun.>> You forgot praying the rosary outside a clinic. I wonder how teh RICo laws will affect that; besides teh RICO laws are unconctitutional and should have been struck down by the Supreme Court when it was first initiated to stop the Mafia.

<<Deformed>> How so? I agree it may be more merciful if there are severe deformities, but what if a child after birth becomes deformed due to some reason?

Not too much else to mention. Well, there is one thing. I went to a fasching Ball last night, held by my Unit. Fasching is teh German equivalent of Mardi Gras, but this event was broing and I was glad to be out of there. I doubt I'll atend that many other unit functions. I guess I have grown old and weary and lifeless at only 24.
Jan> Zach looks liek my godson in thsoe pics though all babies look alike at that age. I definitely see Anna's resemblance to you. She looks weary, though birth does that.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Sunday, February 3, 2002 11:54:44 AM
IP: 140.156.11.60

I didn't tell you about the bucket did I? Well there is this bucket that we use to provide water for the dogs when they want to go outside and play. Well after I filled it I lifted it by the handle and picked it up when BAM! The bottom burst. My mouth bursted with woreds too. Words I can't say here.

Abortion I'm against it unless it falls on one of the three loopholes. Those loopholes are of course
1.Rape
2.Deformed
3.and endangerment to the mother

I am toataly against Late Term abortion...no matter what the technicalities are.

Replies
Silvadel>>> I was just making a bad joke. Your talking about Booting reminded me of Josh when he went to Canada.

Stephen>>>I hate migraines…although they do inspire good poetry. Take two Tylenol PM’s, turn off all the lights, raise the AC about a notch, place a cool damp cloth on you forehead and lie down.

Mooncat<<<But I'm glad you are willing to not interfere with women seeking abortion, unlike other pro-lifers who murder doctors and blow up clinics, or beat up pregnant ladies they think are seeking abortions. >>>Those people are hypocrites. They talk about Pro life but then they kill? That is not the way to get people to change your mind. Protest with signs. Buy a pro life bumper sticker, but don’t throw a rock. Write a poem or a song, read the bible out loud, but don’t pick up a gun.

Firestorm>>>Wrong actors, of course I know you know that but being a smart ass like that will earn you the wrath of Smackers<<<“Installing Windows 98 Second Edition“>>> Mwa ha ha ha another one. Soon we shall all praise the power of windows. Seriously you should go all the way and get XP

Josh<<<How does sitting by the pool increase your endurance.>>>It doesn’t. After the scooter I went to sit by the pool. In my bathing suit.<<<Grrr. >>> Neener!<<<Just in case any boys out there want to send you stuff, huh?>>>Nope just pointing out the beauty of candy, and its allright if you want to buy it for yourself.<<<Then perhaps you will never see me.>>>And you will never get to see me in a bathing suit.<<<Thank you der. Do you think I use the toilet without checking if there's a crap.com?>>>Whoa Mellow out. I’m just pointing out you can find better air rates that way. For example the cost for a roundtrip from Orlando to the Williamsburg/Newport area costs less than a semester at UCF.<<<Come on! That's a great joke!>>> No it wasn’t.<<<That, on the other hand, was not.>>>I was thinking of you and your trip to Canada

Jan>>> DOMO KAWAII!!!! That is Japanese for very cute.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida
Sunday, February 3, 2002 11:39:49 AM
IP: 64.156.211.150

ok, I've set up a very quick and easy picture page for the baby pics that I have so far. (Anna has the digital with her right now and these were the pics that I had taken on Friday night)
Anyway, I'm no where near finished with the webpage and haven't even edited off the stuff that comes with it, etc.

I just wanted to show ya'll what an angel he is :)

Greg> *LOL* I'll have a response to you later! I must say that I'm honored :D

*cringes* I hope the link works!
Jan - [<<--- baby pics!]
Sunday, February 3, 2002 10:35:11 AM
IP: 12.110.237.144

Today three of us packed in a car and drove down to the Valley Fair Apple Store. My friends needed their machines looked at for various reason, and I wanted to pick the brains of the Mac Geniuses to find out more stuff about my systems. We saw our friend Ian, which was cool (he works there). But the trip was a waste of time, because none of us got our questions answered. Mike was told that his noisy hard drive was within spec and wouldn't be replaced. Vinay was told to call up Apple tomorrow and use some special code, which we suspect will allow him to get a brand new machine to replace his defective one. That poor guy has all the problems. My machine is flawless, and he's had a dead processor, dead firewire port, blinking USB, and a fried HD. He isn't happy.

Yesterday I performed open-heart surgery on my tower. Well, maybe not "heart". It was more like "spleen". I noticed that since I installed the DVD-ROM drive, I can no longer boot from CD's either on that or the external firewire enclosed burner (which was installed in my tower). I swapped them, and discovered that the burner only booted from CD when it was IN the tower. Not only that, but the DVD drive didn't read at ALL when it was in the external enclosure. I decided that it wasn't too critical, and put them back so that I have a functioning DVD player and burner. When I need to boot off a CD (which is roughly once every three months), I can swap them. Piece of cake, just a few screws.

Looks like more masterdebating. Perhaps its flaming masterdebating. Or maybe just flaming. Never can tell.

My two cents: I'm not touching these debates with my ten-foot pole. I am not a masterdebater. I have so many clever and snide things to say, but I'm tired of (flaming/being flamed by) certain people, so I'm gonna stay out of it. I've learned my lesson. Today. I'll probably forget it tomorrow.

Metaldemon: <<you also get to watch him drop an atomic bomb on a country>>: Now THAT I would pay to see.

Lain: <<its five am and im still not tired!!!!>>: Seek help. Or a CS major. <>: Does that mean you finally got a high speed connection?

Spike: <<that sort of depends on a lot of variables>>: Like the gravitational "constant" of the universe? ;-) <<I'm sure there's some good engineering principle for it [*gently nudges Patrick*] but I don't know what it is>>: Oh sure, because an engineering student with access to hundreds of professors couldn't possibly find THAT answer. <<Nickeoleon cartoon, don't ask, TOO moronic>>: I hear its quite funny, actually.

Patrick: <<we used graphite (pencil lead) as a lubricant on the axles of my car>>: Brilliant! <<I'd probably try some kind of teflon-based lubricant>>: How about astro-glide? ;-) <<up until last night, I was sure I was still a pro-choice liberal>>: Don't you just love waking up and discovering that the fence has been moved so that you're now on the other side of it? <<It is marked "I/O" and one push can end your internet induced migranes>>: So does a hammer.

Spacebabie: <>: How does sitting by the pool increase your endurance. <<Sunbathing in February!>>: Grrr. <<since they are twins I think Josh would love to help>>: Bet not. <<Chocolate is chocolate and its better if there is caramel in the center>>: Just in case any boys out there want to send you stuff, huh? <<Damn!>>: Trust me, I'm not that critical. <<But I don’t know If I will be able to go to those.>>: Then perhaps you will never see me. <<Try Expedia.com, that’s what I’m using>>: Thank you der. Do you think I use the toilet without checking if there's a crap.com? <<::Pulls out Smackers:: Bap!>>: Come on! That's a great joke! <<Are you really sure Aboot that?>>: That, on the other hand, was not.

Jan: <<why do couples have to wait years and spend thousands of dollars just to adopt a baby?>>: They have to be screened, matched, there are a lot of reasons. My physics teacher in high school went through years and much money to adopt a child because he's gay. That just isn't right. <>: I'd mock you, but it isn't funny.

Shadowrider: <<spell casting link>>: LOL! That is the funniest thing I've read in a LONG time.

Sevarius Jr: <<If you don't spoil the kid rotten, I will be disappointed in you>>: Because that's what grandparents are for. <>: But more importantly, you were right. <<Doesn't that excuse us from a little raping and pillaging?>>: The pillaging, yes. <<you can get laid easier than a millionaire in the Bunny Ranch>>: I don't think its easier to get laid anywhere than there. <<Once you get here, THEN I start worrying about how to do away with you.>>: Think of all the trouble you'd save if they weren't allowed to get here in the first place! <<while you slide the coat hanger up your hoo-ha>>: There's a lovely image. <<shouldn't we be GLAD those people AREN'T procreating?>>: Very good philosophy on life. <<all this talk of dead babies has worked up an appetite>>: LOL. You remind me of my friend Brian. I have a picture of him holding a sign that reads "Likes to eat children".

Gunjack: <<Josh hit the nail on the head>>: Why thank you. Notice that it hasn't changed, either.

Greg X: <<Tall, dark and evil and with megalomaniacal plans to conquer the Earth and destroy good wholesome family values>>: I don't think those are the qualities Jan wants in her grandkid(s). <<I'm sure he'll be a fine upstanding citizen>>: A shame, isn't it? <<any child of mine would be the scourge of all existence... and if I do ever decide to father an heir to my evil>>: Long ago, my friends concluded that my child would be the anti-christ. I don't think anyone wants ME procreating either.

Fire Storm: <<Pinckney>>: Is that in Detroit? <<work sucked on Friday>>: work sucks everyday. <<we will get fired for this>>: All of you? <<The look on her face was PRICELESS!>>: LOL! I bet it was. <<makes me wonder if they are trying to give a message>>: "Drugs are bad, mmmkay" <<Give me time>>: Yeah right. You can't even produce a single exoframe. <<Your kidding, right?>>: No, I don't believe he is. <<6 BILLION people?>>: Well, all we need are transporters 8-). Lots of them. <<are able to soak the damage when a woman knees you>>: It's a RAID array for pain 8-) <>: I have lots of both. Let's trade. <<The Patriots by 6 points>>: Woohoo! I win money! <<call Tech Support>>: I wasn't aware crystal balls had tech support. <<orders troops into Toronto>>: Woohoo! What do we gain by this conquer? <<Installing Windows 98>>: 98 isn't the problem. It's XP you have to worry about.

DPH: <<In the back of my head, there's a little voice wondering if I am being used>>: I know that voice. Ignore it. It will only get you in trouble. <<I'm betting she'll forget by February 13>>: I'll take that bet.

Winterwolf: <<I'm sure you'll be Zach's favorite grandparent>>: I'm not sure if that's funny or depressing. <<You should take a look at some of the new stuff>>: That's what she has a website for. <<Maybe you need some new commissions too while your at it>>: Nope. Can't afford them.

Gside: <<g is constant anyway (for short distances>>: that depends on your definition of short. <<I'm half in a liberal arts college, with a linguistics minor to boot>>: If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... <<had to use my d23>>: What does that look like? <>: I stand corrected. I am in my 3rd year, and I am but 20+ ~ 1/3 <<Nor is the much of an idea for a specific threat for the middle, but I've got the opening scene and begining just about down>>: that's all I had when I started my "phantom fic". <<What about CivEs (MechEs, etc.) modeling whatever they have to model>>: There's a model in my major, does that count? <<Eat that>>: No thanks. <<Actually, it is rather tasty>>: Oh, well in that case. <>: Sometimes. <<It would be scary if Zelda had always been a man with padded breasts>>: Quite, I wonder if Link knows.

Fleur: <<there’s the silver lining of _that_ cloud>>: That was from "551 survival tips for men" <>: You're forgiven. girlfriends are a tricky issue for me, given my vast array of mental issues with girls (like cooties, for one). <<Date more normal girls>>: When I find some, I will. If they're interested in me, which they aren't. <<remind me to never introduce you to a couple of my friends – it would just get too ugly>>: How so? <<Everybody needs a hobby>>: I have several. That isn't one of them. <<He should be shrink-wrapped, right?>>:Um, no. You missed that, I think. <<I’ve never lied about any of it>>: Says YOU! <<who makes a better hero: a guy in a loincloth, or a guy in latex?>>: Its quite obvious, using comic books as references, that superior superheros are the ones who wear their underwear outside their tights. <<Or perhaps there’s masses of debates, which makes it massdebating>>: LOL! good point. <>: Unfortunately, your college still recognizes them. So you fail. <<*g* That doesn’t surprise me>>: Yeah, Fleur loves doing that! <<Will you be ‘nanna’, ‘grandma’ or something else to Zach?>>: To quote Chris Rock: "If a kid calls his grandma "mama" and his mama "pam", he's goin' to jail" <<as far as I’m concerned you buy the right to speak with your tax dollars>>: Not quite. It would make sense, since then the rich people would have more power than the poor people. The problem is that the REALLY rich people give until they don't owe ANY taxes (Microsoft didn't pay one stinking cent in income taxes last year), while the majority of taxes in the country are paid by people like my family. <<spend the budget on genetically engineering hot pink Chihuahuas if you want>>: I'll kill them myself. <<I’m also against people with disabilities being sterilised>>: Even stupid people? That's part of my world domination scheme!

Alright, I'm crashing early tonight. I'm tired.

Therefore, I have conclusively proven that its faster to download 3.5 meg than to shove it up your ass, ignoring the time it takes to shove it up your ass.
-Mike Margolis

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, February 3, 2002 03:57:08 AM
IP: 64.170.154.146

Josh> > I try not to pay attention to such minute things.< Hey, I was proud of myself for noticing that! I’m usually notoriously unobservant. :) >That's why I'm taking over the WHOLE world.< That’ll save arguments… >How about just using it as an excuse not to help friends move.< Ooo, there’s the silver lining of _that_ cloud… > There's a BIG stretch between "I may have gotten a girl pregnant" and "I have a girlfriend".< Opps. I got the wrong impression. My apologies. >Well, the truth is that the insane ones gravitate toward me, and I spit them back out more f*cked up than ever. But the few normal girls that I've liked have come out unscathed 8-)< Date more normal girls. :) >And then there's the debate about what a girl does because she thinks she's in love or something like that. I can't control that psychoticness, and I certainly don't try to promote it.< Nobody can control that psychoticness, although it’s present in both sexes. Still, remind me to never introduce you to a couple of my friends – it would just get too ugly. >Wait, kudos if I make them insane?< Everybody needs a hobby. ;) >Around my apartment? No. Not enough room.<Then I’ll have to refuse. >no one cares 8-) < *LOL* >SJ should not be put in ANY box (wink wink).< He should be shrink-wrapped, right? ;) >So are you.< Good point. But I’ve only ever posted here as Fleur and as absolutely insane as my life has gotten sometimes (especially this last year and anything to do with my car, the Cursed Beast), I’ve never lied about any of it. >I'm sure that everyone in here has trust issues and Doug didn't affect that much.< Yeah but it wasn’t nearly so apparent before Doug was 'revealed'. A few people might have checked IPs and so forth, but it wasn’t a group effort until recently (unless this change came about during that time when I didn’t visit so often). Or maybe it was just that the whole situation disturbed the heck out of people, made us question what kind of person have we had been posting to for three years and we weren’t eager for a repeat of the experience. >Tough call. Depends on the hero, really.< Which brings up the _second_ eternal question – who makes a better hero: a guy in a loincloth, or a guy in latex? >No, it was a stroke.< Followed by a request for a strong drink? ;) >Were the masters involved? That would make it masterdebating< Or perhaps there’s masses of debates, which makes it massdebating. ;)

Warpmind> >Actually, I got that line from the second Discworld book, The Light Fantastic. I recommend it. :) < Of course! I even remember reading the line (about Rincewind grinning that way, right?) and laughing myself stupid. Gotta love Terry Pratchett’s gift with words. >(That series also finally gave me the proper grounds to define my grandmother as a pearl among people... a small piece of rubbish encapsuled in the sickly excretions of an annoyed oyster...)< See previous comment about gifts… :) >Microsoft's software, with all its disorderly flaws, DOES seem responsive to prayer... ;)< I’ve found standing over the computer with a large hammer and an enraged expression works too… >The network server here sure made MY day. :)< And your story brightened up mine. :)

Shinigami> >Ouch. Good one. >nope. neither did most of the rest of the world. everybody knew they were in charge, but they werent a "recognized government."YAAAAY!!! i was goodforsomething!! < You get a cookie. >O.O LOL!!!! now THAT was a funny mental picture!!! :D< But chillingly accurate.. ;)

Robby> I am deeply impressed.

SJ> >We free their city, and the first thing they do is start sucking man-junk like it’s going out of style! < *g* That doesn’t surprise me. I’ve heard Afghanistan was pretty, ahem, open-minded in that respect, pre-Taliban, and had been for centuries. There were whole piles of homoerotic art that were destroyed by the Taliban, including poetry written by one of Afghanistan’s monarchs for his favourite boy.

Shadowrider> >Hmm...well, I can speak from my personal POV...yes, it could be right. A dog, especially if he's been with us for a lot of years, is a part of the family...so it is normal that when its time comes, we grieve it as we could do for a member of the family. At least, I think so...< That makes sense. I’m surprised by how much I miss her, how much I want to see her running around the backyard again. I guess it’s just going to take some time to get over. BTW, I checked out the link. Give your friends my thanks for the amusement. :)

Happy birthday DPH!!

Jan> CONGRATULATIONS!! *showers her with baby booties, and cute little blue teddy bears and all other cute baby stuff* Glad he decided not to hang around for the snow storm. Will you be ‘nanna’, ‘grandma’ or something else to Zach?

DarkD-Fx> Try the comment room at Station eight. (www.s8.org, then follow the links). You’ll find more gargoyle-related stuff there.

Jaden> Owch, sounds tough. Hope things improve for you.

Greg> >The guy with the goatee and a ponytail of course. Why else do you think i went for that look myself?< *g* It’s a good choice. :)

Okay, finish here if you don't want relentless opinions.. ;)

I’m staying way out of the political debate – as far as I’m concerned you buy the right to speak with your tax dollars. Heck, spend the budget on genetically engineering hot pink Chihuahuas if you want…

America as a peace keeping force – See above. Something I’ve noticed is that it’s very easy to offer opinions on how something ‘should be done’ when you aren’t actually the one doing it. Since I’m from a country that trails very far behind America in the peacekeeping stakes (in our defence, it’s due more to a lack of firepower), I don’t really think I have the right to say anything at all.

Abortion – I’m pro-choice. Not pro-abortion, which is a slightly different thing to me. Morally, since I don’t have proof one way or another about souls or when life begins, I honestly can't say there’s a lot of difference between an abortion and contraception, especially ones like the morning-after pill. There’s a saying that sums up how I feel, ‘I don’t like what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it’. I can’t argue without restriction for abortion, but I can argue without restriction for the right of a person, be they male or female, to be able to make that choice. And I’ll admit I’m arguing from a selfish point of view. _I_ also want to be able to make that choice. If I get pregnant from a rape, I’ll have a hard enough time getting over that without a nine-month physical reminder. I consider bearing somebody’s child to be a gift, and I’m not cheapening that gift by giving it to a rapist. I’d kill the baby, and yes, I’m quite comfortable saying that. And I’d rather do it medically than drink a hell of a lot of booze, take drugs, smoke, and, if all that failed to produce a miscarriage, use a coathanger. There’s always an exception, and _that_ is what I’d argue for. I’m also against people with disabilities being sterilised. But that’s another debate for another time… :)

TTFN!
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 3, 2002 03:22:53 AM
IP: 203.25.148.64

Imzadi> <<Wouldn't weights in the front help too>>: Depends on if it's gravity propelled or CO2 cartridge propelled. And g is constant anyway (for short distances).
<<That stench is coming from Gside, not me!>>: Hey. I'm half in a liberal arts college, with a linguistics minor to boot.
<<LOL very clever>>: Thank you.
<<You pretend to be a grandmother>>: Nah, I'm the perverted peeping tom.
<<did you know that the Smoot used to measure the bridge was the little brother of the Smoot that did the measuring?>>: No, but I know (from research) the four other people there were named Pete S. Miller, Nate Hopton, Gordon Mann, and Bill Edmiston (Don't know who took a picture of the five of them together, though), and they were instructed to do this by Tom O'Connor, the Lambda Chi Alpha pledgemaster in October of 1958.
<<Do you roll 1d6 for that?>>: Han, had to use my d23.
<<Who?>>: Albino zombie Frankenstien's monster type of guy. http://www.seanbaby.com/superfriends/grundy.htm
<<But aren't you younger than I am?>>: I am in my fourth year of college, and am currently 22+ ~1/52. Aren't you in your third year?
<<Any idea for an end?>>: Not a one. Nor is the much of an idea for a specific threat for the middle, but I've got the opening scene and begining just about down.
<<Freak CS people>>: What about CivEs (MechEs, etc.) modeling whatever they have to model.
<<!@#$ you're right>>: Hah. Eat that. Actually, it is rather tasty.

Spacebabie> <<wait isn?t the he a she or are we getting confuzzled?>>: I know what I'm talking about, but I confuzzled you by not fully stating the implications of my statement. It would be scary if Zelda had always been a man with padded breasts, instead of a female who hid her identity while binding her breasts.

JLA> <<you didn't quite read my entire post>>: The problem was with the second post. That one made no mention of assisting with the experience.

Fire Storm> <<Sex Bytes>>: Eh?
<>: You forgot anime.

Patrick> <<It is marked "I/O">>: I thought it was 1/0.

Fire Storm> <<he is actually cheating on her with an actress he met in Japan during one of his recent movie shoots>>: The one who was in the live action LBG?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, February 3, 2002 02:15:45 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Congratulations Jan! I'm sure you'll be Zach's favorite grandparent. ;)

Happy Birthday DPH and many more!

Josh> <keep her from the computer> Not at the moment anyway. Right now she's working on some artwork on the other computer. **takes a look** Wow. You should take a look at some of the new stuff. Maybe you need some new commissions too while your at it. ^_^

Bye bye everybody.
Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Sunday, February 3, 2002 12:15:11 AM
IP: 172.132.29.68

hey everyone!

real post later... maybe, but i got my own domain name, and e-mail adress now!

send me something! pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. go see my new site too.

gotta run now! GAH lots of homewerk type stuff!

-={King Terrky Kath, The Efficient Rock Star}=-

Terrky K - [Terrky@terrykathsguitarclub.com]
Sunday, February 3, 2002 12:09:29 AM
IP: 64.197.199.60

I helped a friend get ready to become a renter behind me. Yes, my dad said something about me being in a happier mood around her.

In the back of my head, there's a little voice wondering if I am being used.

Abortion debate - As far I am concerned, the whole argument boils down to when one believes human life begins. As far as I am concerned human life begins at the moment of conception.

I had the opportunity to do what I needed to do: relax.

Metaldemon, Imzadi, Gside, Ravyn, Daphne, Lain - thank you for remembering my birthday.

Sorry, but all ground hogs are under my protection. You guys should remember what I did to DisOrientation, right? That should answer any questions about how far I will go to protect those ground hogs.

So far, I have two birthday cards.

Imzadi - <Here's a tip: its not anonymous if you tell her you're sending them.> I'm betting she'll forget by February 13. <"liberals think with their hearts, conservatives think with their heads." I think I agree:> I'm a dead center moderate.

Congrats, Jan.

DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, February 2, 2002 11:08:48 PM
IP: 204.94.193.60

Greg>><<Pro-Death>>Sorry to burst your bubble about coining the phrase, but a lot of my bretheren in the pro-life movement like to refer to pro-choicers as "pro-death" (Disclaimer: I'm not one of these people) Kind of like when you see pro-lifers cast as "anti-choice" by some in the pro-choice crowd.
Yooper
Houghton
Saturday, February 2, 2002 11:03:02 PM
IP: 208.4.94.41

Forgive me Dog, for I am about to sin.

I know that what I am about to do is wrong, but I have a reason for doing so. I know that what I do allows for no excuses, so I shall save You from these lies.

While I know you are wise in Your great furriness, I shall tell you what I am about to do, not to recieve any forgiveness, but to remove the weight from my heart.

It shall only take a little of me, but it is wrong.

It may be necessary, but it is still wrong.

But never the less, I am still doing it. May the results be worth the sin.

...

"Installing Windows 98 Second Edition"
Fire Storm
Saturday, February 2, 2002 10:56:16 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

silvadel: <
FINE. I will consult my crystal ball.
Hmm... The Patriots by 6 points (In overtime).
HUH? NO, DANG IT! Let me try that again...
Let's see... Kurt Russel and Goldie Hawn in June, due to 'Irreconcilable differences' (he is actually cheating on her with an actress he met in Japan during one of his recent movie shoots)
NO! NO! NO! Hold on... I'll give it ONE more shot before I quit and call Tech Support.
FINAL try: After refusing to help the United States for the third time this year, President Bush finally orders troops into Toronto, where they are met with minimal resistance.

!@$#$^&@%^*

"Your call is very important to us. Please continue to hold and the next available support agent will be able to assist you"
Fire Storm
Saturday, February 2, 2002 10:16:16 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

I think it is time for another update on when we will be seeing new episodes...

I am really looking forward to the Timedancer eps and am afraid there are people losing interest out there because of no updates.

It is important to get some new episodes up there =)

Or at least an honest estimate on when they will be (March? July? 2007?)
silvadel
Saturday, February 2, 2002 09:35:58 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

I'm just finding it incredibly amusing right now that all I had to do to be labled a conservative right wing Republican is speak up with an opinion that babies have souls. I mean... up until last night, I was sure I was still a pro-choice liberal. But then this morning I found myself nodding in agreement as a I read an article in the paper about an airline / goverment plan to invade privacy by creating a massive computer database containing info on every traveler in order to narrow in on potential terrorist threats... and then I realized I'm also one of the 80% who approve of the job G.W. Bush is doing. Wow... suddenly I find I'm questioning my political identity everywhere. Weird.

SJ > Curse you... as far as your comments on the USA, I have to agree with you yet again. I love the USA... and I don't care what anyone from North North Dakota (my proposed new name for Canada) has to say about it.

Stephen > There's a button on your computer that is helpful in situations like yours. It is marked "I/O" and one push can end your internet induced migranes. Trust me. It's worked for me many times in the past.

:: heads out for the night ::

Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 2, 2002 09:16:17 PM
IP: 66.72.198.5

Well, work sucked on Friday. Several co-workers and I traded MANY shifts to get the days we wanted off, well within company policy, mainly because our boss pays no attention to our requests (for days off, having a stable schedule, having days off NOT broken up, etc). BUT now my boss is saying that it isn't allowed and we are all going to get points for missing work on those days. Now, we all ahev done this so many times that we will get fired for this.
Needless to say, we are ALL fighting this.
It just shows me what happens when I go to work in a good mood.

On a good note, I was talking to someone else in the building about cats and I said, 'I don't like them. Their meat is too tough and stringy.' The look on her face was PRICELESS!

Abortion Discussion: Kill'em all and let's eat!

Jan: I saw ER Thursday and without giving spoilers, there was Xtasy involved (amphetamines), which remined me of what you said about them and Meth.
People can be REAL idiots some times!
You know... Meth and general ampgetamines are in ER alot... makes me wonder if they are trying to give a message...

DPH: 
Give me time.
<We should have the capacity to evacuate the entire planet in case of asteroid strike>
Your kidding, right? I mean, even with the HUGE leaps and bounds the transportation industry has made in the past century, there is no way in FRELL that will be possible. I mean, 6 BILLION people?
<New Joke>
Bill and Ted's Excellent adventure
<Isn't it impossible for every country in the world to export more than they import?>
You would think so...
Unless the country has ALOT of natural resources. Or the costs to import the raw materials is less than they charge for the exports.
BUT the US imports more than exports, so we balance everyone out! ;)

Imzadi: 
Hey, the students need to pay off that $20k+ a year some how!
<CRASH.>
Yep. ANOTHER hard drive bites the dust.
<You have confused him with me>
Na. Yours arn't that hard, BUT are able to soak the damage when a woman knees you!

Warpmind: <Just look at any business you know - there are invariably chaotic elements there>
Yeah. The chaotic order of printer repair!

Winterwolf: <No 3D work? Say it ain't so!>
Afraid so. I prefer writing, but I have MAX on my laptop just incase I ever want to do 3d at work!

Gside: <Good idea, but on second thought, Wilek might be a more appropriate source>
Hmm... Maybe... OR Sex Bytes. **shudder**
<And it is a nice theory, but too many people are doing time critical work in the wee hours to risk overloading the system.>
SCREW THEM! I want my MP3's and pr0n!

Spacebabie: <WTC Conspiracies>
I KNEW it! Tom Cruise and Nichole Kidman are responsible for the WTC incident!
Osama Cruise!
Hmm... PHOTOSHOP TIME!

Mooncat: <Half way would be 4.5 months, so if it can carry on by itself at that stage of developement, you can try caring for a 4 and half month old 'fetus'>
I am reminded of Alien Nation
Fire Storm
Saturday, February 2, 2002 08:42:52 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

Gunjack - <<For Steven's sake, I'll not go there. However, I'll say the same thing I've always said: Why not meet the "Fetus" half way? Carry it to term, deliver it, and then expose it. Leave it on a hillside somewhere, and anyone who wants it can have it.>>

Meet it half way? Half way would be 4.5 months, so if it can carry on by itself at that stage of developement, you can try caring for a 4 and half month old 'fetus' -- Me, I'd rather just take the morning after pill.

As for carrying to term and then leaving the *finished* product up for grabs, already covered that in the previous post. I believe in resposibility to the point of NOT bearing a child if you can't totally provide for it and raise it. Pro-lifers may think it selfish, but I refuse to create a child just so strangers can have it. I think it's selfish of others to force a woman to bear an unwanted child, just because others desire to have the baby.

SJ-- gee thanks, but the whole point of keeping abortion legal is so we women DON'T have to put hangers up our hoo has and crap like that. But I'm glad you are willing to not interfere with women seeking abortion, unlike other pro-lifers who murder doctors and blow up clinics, or beat up pregnant ladies they think are seeking abortions.

Not to bash pro-lifers, as I understand their emotional standpoint and am aware of the concept they base their prolife beliefs on. I just don't agree with them. Emotionally, intellectually, I've examined the same information, and still truly believe in a woman's right of choice.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, February 2, 2002 08:38:22 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Greg Bishansky: <QUICK, someone check the temperature in Hell!>
Fair
28°F Feels Like: 19°F
UV Index: 0 Minimal
Wind: From the South at 10 mph
Dew Point: 19°F
Humidity: 63 %
Visibility: Unlimited
Barometer: 30.24 inches and falling
:)
Fire Storm - [<--- Pinckney, but it has the same ZIP as hell.]
Saturday, February 2, 2002 07:56:22 PM
IP: 216.254.103.103

JAN> First and foremost, a big CONGRATS! I trust you'll raise the kid in my image. For I am the perfect role-model for young children. Tall, dark and evil and with megalomaniacal plans to conquer the Earth and destroy good wholesome family values. ::Tears up:: Perhaps he'll even sit at my table of evil. It's so beautiful to know that a new generation will carry on my evil ;)

Seriously, congrats and good luck with kid. I'm sure he'll be a fine upstanding citizen.

SJ> <<I'm pro-life, pro-death penalty (sorry, Greg)>> Aw, too bad, cause I figured you above all people would like the sound of the label; Pro-Death. But considering some of you're posts about the war and other things I guess we can make an exception and apply the label to you also, but you've got to stop saying pro-life... instead you are "anti-abortion". Now, to all the rest of you Pro-Lifers out there, you haven't displayed as much venom on other subjects to earn the label Pro-Death. SJ gets it for his posts displaying the true war-monger that he is. That's a compliment SJ, I mean it. Hmm, and were you apologizing to me in that post? QUICK, someone check the temperature in Hell! <> LOL, I'm pro-abortion and even I thought this was funny! But I can see the seriousness in it also, I mean DOES ANYONE in here seriously want to see ME of all people pro-create. If young Zach doesn't do it (which he won't since I predict Jan will raise him to be a do-gooder ;)), any child of mine would be the scourge of all existence... and if I do ever decide to father an heir to my evil, any daughter of mine will be named after Demona. I am being serious here.

Okay people, enough with the abortion debate, my favorite philosopher teaches us not to enter conflicts that we can't win, so let us heed his teachings. If not, YOU ALL GET SHOT!!! ;)
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, February 2, 2002 07:49:28 PM
IP: 216.179.5.11

Auuugh, typo. It's "Peninsula"
Yooper
Saturday, February 2, 2002 07:20:46 PM
IP: 208.4.94.24

Went out on the snowmobile today. Got the sled stuck in a cedar swamp, while alone. Luckily, the only thing hurt was my pride. It's things like this that remind me what a cool dad I have, since he helped me get it out and then said he'd hop on the other sled and we'd go for a ride to Champion. (the next town over)

Jan>>Congratulations!!

MD>>I'd like to respond to your "Don't bring Jesus into it post," but I can't figure out what you're trying to say. Plz restate or clarify. Also, that was a throwaway line on my part, said because I usually hear it stated by pacifists at some point or another. BTW, it's a double "O" not a double "P." "Yooper" is a bastardization of "U.P.'er" some one from Michigan's "U"pper "P"enisnsula.

Gunjack>> As I recall, weren't the rapists on Okinawa prosecuted for the most part? (Though they may have been unjustly acquitted) We at least don't enshrine war crimes by our troops as policy. I won't deny that war crimes have been committed by U.S. troops. May Lai, for example. To add insult to injury in that case, the leader of that group was actually _pardoned_, if you can believe it. I have however, heard from someone who worked in a communications unit in Vietnam that they'd get messages thru all the time about how a village that backed us got a "visit" by the VC, who proceeded to cut off peoples' arms and kill the children. They didn't back us anymore. The point of my rambling, and it's not directed at Gunjack or anyone in particular, (just jibes with what he's talking about) is that *MOST* U.S. war crimes are from grunts that snap and defy U.S. military custom and law. A lot of war crimes from people we fight happen because their grunts were *ordered* to do so.
Yooper
Houghton, MI
Saturday, February 2, 2002 07:18:53 PM
IP: 208.4.94.24

Metaldemon - <<God forbid you should be a lower-class, pregnant teenager whose boyfriend just left her cuz she's pregnant.>> No thanks, I have already been there... Teenager, pregnant with TWINS, no husband/boyfriend support... Yeah... I was there.. with TWO KIDS... I could have aborted them, sure... but I chose to actually be responsible instead. So what was your point again?

Gunjack (and metaldemon for his similar response)- <<Interesting. I've never given birth to a child, and so I have no right to an opinion on the matter?>> No... apparently, you didn't quite read my entire post, because I stated "Once you have a baby of your own (or experience the pregnancy/birth process with someone you care about), you have a better understanding of their consciousness" Just a heads up so you hopefully read it this time.

Let me help you guys out here... because apparently you think of the word ignorant as a slam.

ig·no·rant (adj.)
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

It's not STUPIDITY... It's IGNORANCE. You lack the info! Can you speak as someone who has experience in this matter? No.

Jan - thank you for understanding the point (but it's been interesting watching the others twist words to suit themselves.) <<The male cannot have the same experiences with the unborn child as the female has. Until they carry a child inside of them - there's no way to even compare the feelings a mother has for her unborn child. This isn't a dish towards men, it's just the facts. >> ::APPLAUDS::

Stephen - ::tosses you some excedrin:: Maybe if you are that exhausted, you should skip the internet and get some sleep.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Saturday, February 2, 2002 06:51:12 PM
IP: 67.227.14.254

Patrick><<Ah yes, let's blame all the ills of the world on the U.S. again.>>...Pat, old boy, you're just a BIT behind here. Cliff's Notes version: for the last five decades, america has done ANYTHING but mind it's own business. From memory: We toppled a fledgling democratic government in Iraq, and installed Saddam Hussien in its place. We threw our support behind the Duvaliers(sp?) in South America, a father son team of profoundly brutal dictators that basicly screwed the country over for several decades. The Okinawans I mentioned weren't raped and murdered during World War II, they were raped and murdered between 1972 and 1995, when Okinawa was the sight of a major US military base. Then there's the car bombing of that mosque in... Beruit, I believe, but you'd have to ask Lain about that one.
I'd mention more, but I can't remember them off the top of my head. Why? Because I've been argueing FOR the US in all these cases. I continue to think that we have done our best by the world, and that the hatred we recieve in return is unjust.
The difference is, my conclusion is BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, rather than simply denying that it exists. Examine the evidence and draw conlusions, rather than being an intellectual couch potato. You'll be much more persuasive that way.
...
Dangit, everyone keeps posting, and now it looks like you're ready to join in. It's quite a ride, I assure you. ;)
Welcome to the Party!

MD><<It's pretty sad you deny these crimes happen when even Gunjack says they happened, and he's conservative.>> I say they happened, but I don't say we did wrong. Based on all the evidence I've seen (with the possible exception of the Isreal question), I don't think there was EVER a viable alternative. We made took the best of a number of startlingly bad options. I could expound further, but I'd rather people in here look at the problem for themselves.

Now, back to chewing YOU.
Josh hit the nail on the head. You and Lain have told us at length about all the horrible things the US has done. You have NOT, however, told us what we should have done instead. What you miss is that US foriegn policy wasn't just some collosal game of spin the bottle; it was a strategy with specific goals behind it.
Let's take Iraq, for example. Lain stated the situation somewhat as follows: "The US toppled a democratic government, and installed Saddam in his place. They give Saddam lots of weapons even as he slaughters his own people. The Cold War ends, Saddam continues to slaughter his people, and the US strengthens economic ties. Then Saddam invades Kuwait, thereby threatening America's precious oil, and suddenly he's the big bad guy".

Sounds pretty damning, doesn't it? Just a few problems.
1) Saddam's predescessor WAS, in fact, trying to help Iraq. He had booted out the monarchy, but his hold on the country was shakey. To strengthen it, he turned to the Communist party in his country. Had they had succeeded in consolidating power in his country, how long do yuo think it would have been before Iraq became a satilite?

Options: Let things take their course, and risk losing another country to the Soviets, or take Saddam (who we didn't know was a monster at the time, incidentally...) as a dictator, pretty well ensure Iraq against being overrun, and hopefully stabilize the area.

Now, which of those sounds good to YOU? Of course, there were other options... Invade Iraq ourselves, for instance. I'm sure that would have gone over BEAUTIFULLY, especially after the Vietnam Experience. Let the Soviets overrun Iraq, and they're on course for Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, which, quite aside from the atrocities these takeovers always involve, would go a long way to defeating us by cutting off the oil we'd need to fight effectively.

Limited options. It's not about the ideal, it's about what's actually possible. People tend to forget that. I'll say it again: before you can condemn an action, you MUST CLEARLY SHOW THAT A BETTER OPTION WAS AVAILABLE AND IGNORED.

Jan><<They say, "fetus", "mass of cells", or even go as far as to make the claim that babies are born without souls. They dehumanize the baby...>> Yes, they do. That's why I ALWAYS use the term "fetus" (always in quotes), right up to term and possibly after. It emphisizes the fact that they're playing word games, and that those word games are inherintly unscientific (why is it that a 7-month premie that lives is a baby, but a 9-1/2 month "fetus" terminated by partial birth abortion is not?). Accept their terms, and then use those terms to bury them.
...
Good points all around; just remember that the emotional bond between the mother and the "fetus" is EMOTION, not evidence. While it certianly tells us something intuitively, it doesn't help with the scientific questions.

Mooncat - For Steven's sake, I'll not go there. However, I'll say the same thing I've always said: Why not meet the "Fetus" half way? Carry it to term, deliver it, and then expose it. Leave it on a hillside somewhere, and anyone who wants it can have it.
Gunjack "Petunia the Barbarian" Valentine
Saturday, February 2, 2002 06:45:07 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Congrats to Jannie!!! First grandkid. Now, of course, you can officially feel old. ;) If you don't spoil the kid rotten, I will be disappointed in you.

Seriously, though, I do congratulate you, and wish you and little Zach the best. I know what you've gone through with your daughter, and I'm glad that everything has worked out well.

The Great Satan: Well, it looks as if America has done some nasty stuff in the past. And we'll do nasty stuff in the future. I never said we were perfect. I just said that we're better than all of you other filthy, disgusting countries out there, and I meant it.

Gunjack hit the point on the head the other day. We do bad crap, sure, but we TRY to do some good stuff too. We do more good stuff than about 99.9% of the rest of the world. Doesn't that excuse us from a little raping and pillaging?

That was a joke, my Canadian / socialist brethren.

I suppose the reason why I find this debate so silly is because......I'm a brutal nationalist. I will bitch about this country all I want, but if given the option, I would not take any other country but this one.....except maybe the Bahamas, but that's because the water there is perfect and you can get laid easier than a millionaire in the Bunny Ranch. So bring on the accounts of American evil, and watch me shrug my shoulders!

That *wasn't* a joke, my Canadian / socialist brethren, which is exactly why you're probably rolling your eyes right now.

The Great Abortion Debate: No one really cares what your opinion on the subject is. Unless you share their opinion, n which case, you can babble all about it.

I'm pro-life, pro-death penalty (sorry, Greg), because that's pretty much the way I was raised, culturally, and after growing up and thinking long and hard about my beliefs and should I change them.....I figured, screw it. That works well for me. Basically, I believe everyone should have a right to be born upon this earth. Once you get here, THEN I start worrying about how to do away with you.

But if you're pro-choice, it's cool with me. If you don't mind those gross little photos of aborted fetuses that my side holds up at protests, I promise to look the other way while you slide the coat hanger up your hoo-ha, or throw yourself down a flight of stairs, or having someone kick you in the uterus, whatever floats your boat. I never quite understood why we pro-lifers yell and call the abortion supporters names. I mean, shouldn't we be GLAD those people AREN'T procreating?

Mmmm, all this talk of dead babies has worked up an appetite, and dinner's on the table. I leave you with a quote from Metaldemon's favorite comedian.

"Why don't you stick your face in a bucket of stillborns?"
---Jim Norton
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 2, 2002 06:39:56 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Stephen> Sure. Sorry to have been partially responsible for the migrane.
metaldemon
Saturday, February 2, 2002 06:10:27 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Guys, please... all this comment/arguing back and forth is giving me a serious migrane. Please take this off to e-mail or an IM device or calm down. I'm not sticking up for anyone that takes a discussion into a snarling match...especially after having to work a week of 11+ hour shifts.

So for the good of everyone else not involved, respectfully... can it!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Saturday, February 2, 2002 06:02:38 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

jan - congrats on becoming a grandmother

re - prochoice/prolife - Do we really have to discuss that here? One side isn't going to change the convictions of the others. Oh well, I am going to throw in my two cents after all.

Me, I'm pro-choice all the way. I've seen the pro-life arguments, the pictures, etc, ad nauseum, and I still believe a woman should not be forced to carry a pregnancy to term against her will.

I'm neither ignorant, nor unsympathetic to the feelings of pro-lifers, but I made my mind up after seeing all the arguments and am still pro-choice. And I don't need to justify being pro-choice, because it is my legal right. woo hoo!

If I'm raped and pregnancy results, I'm off to the clinic lickity split. If my birth control precautions fail (nothing's 100 percent) and I am left pregnant, and don't have the financial security or honestly feel I can't provide a stable environment, or emotional support for a child, I'm off to the clinic as well.

No, I don't want to go through 9 months to produce a child that I won't raise myself. Some stranger couple wants a new born? A sadness, but I am not obligated to be their baby making machine. If they can convince someone to willingly bear a child for them, great.

Other people wanting newborns isn't a good reason to force unwilling women to bear a child. Yes, it costs lots of money and effort to adopt a baby. Maybe the people so desperate to adopt should start looking at the hundreds of thousands of older children available.

A living breathing child shouldn't be considered less valuable just because it isn't as "new". Heavens help the poor child whose adopted parents lose interest in it because they are no longer cute newborns. That is one of the MANY considerations that make adoption of babies difficult.

I won't even get into the many crack babies, HIV positive, or otherwise "damaged" new borns that strangely not as valued by persons 'desperate to adopt'.

Anyhoo, I am pro-choice for a number of reasons. Because I *am* a responsible and well informed individual. I consider abortion to be a responsible choice as much as birth control. So do many other people. There's a lot of people who disagree for their own reasons. That's the way of the world. I don't think either side will change their minds in the course of a comment room discussion.

Just some thoughts
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Saturday, February 2, 2002 05:49:01 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Another brief post...I will try to post longer tomorrow, since my preparation for finals is going better than I expected...

A couple of friends of mine have asked me to post this link into here. They think it could be of interest for some people. Since they are no more able to do this by themselves, I will post the link in their behalf.

See everyone.
Shadowrider - [<---Take a look, it is interesting]
Saturday, February 2, 2002 05:39:41 PM
IP: 213.213.18.194

BTW... I am not "denying these events happened", I'm simply asking for reference material so that I may look for myself and make my OWN judgements on their credibility and believability. And no, I don't consider "read Lain's posts" to be all I need. If I was willing to take the word of someone I know only from an online comment room at face value, and blindly alter my own opinions to match, we wouldn't be having this debate to begin with.
And while we're tossing out books to read... "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" is an excellent albeit voluminous piece of reference material on the European component of WWII, and the first edition was published the 1950s... much closer to the actual events than the two-page synopsis of the war that fill most contemporary high school textbooks.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 2, 2002 05:16:16 PM
IP: 66.72.198.5

Metaldemon > By all means, please give me the titles and authors of these history textbooks you mention, so that I may visit the library and read them. I took some kind of history course every year of junior high and high school (it was a curriculum requirement) and I even took a few history / government type courses on my own volition in college. So I'm very curious to see what sorts of new information has been added to the texts being used in the schools today. I am not that old (still a few years shy of 30), so I'm quite it's not the case that I simply forgot having read this information. Rather, it must be that the history books I read did not relate the same information as the ones you are reading evidently. I was always taught that the U.S.A. was the good guy for getting involved in WWII and joining up with Britian to stop the Axis, but if that belief has now become wrong, I would certainly like to be enlightened.

:: goes off to search Amazon.com to see if there's a copy of "20th Century American History" with editor Winston Smith credited ::
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 2, 2002 05:09:27 PM
IP: 66.72.198.5

Well, if I get a history book as close to the period as possible, then the facts of the data won't be as good after everything is finally researched, looked upon, and written about. The fact that the event took place doesn't change. Though Japan does have this awful habit of leaving the events of Nanking out (read "The Rape of Nanking.") It came forma biased chinese woman and the Japanese damanded prrof of the events, saying it didn't take place and still refuse to acknowldge it's authenticity despite the evidence.
Jan> That is really cool of your daughter!! Seriously. I'm not pro-choice by any means, I was merely pointing out the subjectiveness to which Crzy says has the stongest argument. Some women just don't feel connected to a child at all.
metaldemon
Saturday, February 2, 2002 04:59:32 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Spacebabie -- Yes I am sure -- It does mean that if you have your entire hard drive as one partition, you need software like partition magic to break it up. It is well worth the effort... Very few XP installs are 100% effective and 100% compatible with everything on the computer you are upgrading from.

Metaldemon -- The big problem is that we are constantly re-writing our history books... The multiculturalist thing is having a huge impact on current printings of history... If you really want to read up on the history of a period, my advice is to get a history book written as close to the period in question as you can.
silvadel
Saturday, February 2, 2002 04:49:23 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Crzy> I understand what you are saying about ignorance. It's not a matter of being stupid, but a lack of experience.

What I have noticed most about the pro-choice people is that they refuse to refer to a baby as a human. They say, "fetus", "mass of cells", or even go as far as to make the claim that babies are born without souls. They dehumanize the baby... I guess in effort to justify the killing of them.
I think the one pro-choice argument that upsets me the most is when they say, "what about the poor teenage girl who becomes pregnant?" or "what about the unwed mom?" "bad timing pregnancy?" Those make my skin crawl because of how easily someone is willing to murder an innocent child because in MOST cases, the people were irresponsible. (In cases of rape, only one party is at fault) What these people have done is make abortion a form of birth control. It's not a matter of making "responsible decisions" - it's a matter of NOT accepting responsibilities for their own actions. The woman doesn't or can't keep the child? adoption. I can hear the pro-choice people now... "adoptions are not the answer" "there are thousands of children waiting to be adopted now" Not for newborns. If that were the case, then why do couples have to wait years and spend thousands of dollars just to adopt a baby? Sure, the adoption criteria in most states is atrocious - but you don't kill babies, you get the laws changed.
You don't do birth control after the baby is conceived, a responsible person does that BEFORE conception.
Males can say all they want about having 50/50 with the child. The fact still remains that they are detached from the child while the mother is pregnant. This doesn't mean that one parent loves the child more than the other parent - but there IS a difference between being the parent who is waiting for the child to be born and have donated the sperm and the one who has carried the child inside her body for 9 months. The male cannot have the same experiences with the unborn child as the female has. Until they carry a child inside of them - there's no way to even compare the feelings a mother has for her unborn child. This isn't a dish towards men, it's just the facts.

Speaking of babies.... one who happens to be born to a young single female who was irresponsible with birth control and is on a limited income (i.e. poor)... Zach is just as cute today as he was last night. :)

I do have some pictures, but I need to download them on my picture page. As soon as I'm finished, I will post the URL =) I still can't believe I'm a grandmother. *blinks*
Jan - [<-- in light of the war discussion]
Saturday, February 2, 2002 04:47:12 PM
IP: 12.110.236.97

Patrick> There are these neat things called text books, and you get to read this stuff in a class called History. Be careful, cause it might be *gasp* liberal.
It's pretty sad you deny these crimes happen when even Gunjack says they happened, and he's conservative. And I think Lain deftly pointed out to ME last week that the US did as many atrocities as the European nations have done. Or do you want proof? Go look for it yourself. Click on the button right there, look at Lain's posts, and you will read what Lain said about war crimes and blame.
And there are these other things called novels, especially novels from certain countries wehre this stuff happens. You can go read "Eyes of the Interred" by Asturias and learn about the atrocities. In fact, he wrote three books on it. Oh wait, do you want me to read it to you since it seems you can't read what's been said earlier in this room about blame.
Oh, and what a great way to play dumb and superior. "Point out the source." When we do, you call it liberal nonsense. And when it's not liberal nonsense, then pictures are demanded, then the authenticity of the pictures are demanded, then the actaul people who went thruogh it are demanded, but they, in turn, turn about to be dead, and it is mildly brushed off with, "I figured you couldn't get proof, care-bear."
metaldemon
Saturday, February 2, 2002 04:36:45 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Ah yes, let's blame all the ills of the world on the U.S. again. It's obviously OUR fault that throughout the history of the 20th century various third world dictators have tortured, killed, starved, and otherwise mistreated their own people. Rather than mind its own business, the U.S. obviously should have charged and rescued them. For even if we weren't being invited to do so, we certainly would not have been critisized by other countries for using our military in such a manner, or accused of "forcing our values" upon the people we were helping to free. After all, look at the overwhelming popular support the current campaign in Afghanistan has in the eyes of world opinion. Man, I must be an idiot for thinking the U.S.A.'s actions in such a scenario could could ever be interpreted as anything other than kind and benevolent.

As for alleged "war crimes" committed by U.S. troops... 1) Please point me to the independent impartial source of your data (note - I said independent impartial source, not foreign propaganda). 2) Please don't forget as you condemn the modern U.S. military establisment for what may or may not have happened 60 years ago that the WWII armies of Germany and Japan racked up a pretty large tally of atrocities themselves, and did so as an organized and strategic part of their respective nations' war effort. Or have we already forgotten about such places and events as Aushwitz and the Battan Death March? The U.S. military may very well bear the shame of having in its ranks individual soldiers who have committed criminal acts, but the U.S. has never condoned nor encouraged "total war" methods and tactics akin to what the Axis powers perpetrated during WWII.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 2, 2002 04:14:29 PM
IP: 66.72.198.5

Not much I have been working on my endurance...on my Razor scooter and today I went out to sit by the pool.

Sunbathing in February! I was also doing my reading homework as well.

WTC Conspiracies: If anyone was using it for a cover up I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Gary Condit and that actor who’s wife was shot. Notice how no one talks of Shaundra Levvy anymore? And notice how I forgotten the actor and his wife? If it was anyone it would have been them. Not Bush.

Clinton~ ha ha ha don’t get me started. Sure he was a fine president. If he did what he should have done then the events of September would havee never taken place. Instead he just went after Sadam whenever he was caught with his pants down…Literaly.

Replies
Jan<<>>You know that boy too well, but since they are twins I think Josh would love to help.<<<George P is not only clean.. he’s a HUNK! Wow! >>>Hey you’re a bad as my mom. She was talking about how cute Ewan Mcgregor is. Sorry it’s just weird when you mother talks about cute young actors like that and double weird if you have the hots for them too. Oh and Congratulations of the birth of Zach!!!!!!!!

Lain<<<its February 1...>>>That means tomorrow is Groundhog day.

Daphne>>>I understand your feelings about the boycott but One thing I have to say is. Chocolate is chocolate and its better if there is caramel in the center.

Gun jack<<<Ooog, ya commie! What ever happened to peace, love, dope? >>>Who are you calling a dope?<<<and so I have no right to an opinion on the matter?>>>FATHER a child then. I want to be the Godmother of the child when I adopt Lain.

Gside<<<No, that it might be that he stuffs>>>wait isn’t the he a she or are we getting confuzzled?

Josh<<>>Damn!<<>>But I don’t know If I will be able to go to those.<<<The ticket is 400+>>>Try Expedia.com, that’s what I’m using.<<<Seems there was some debate going on. Were the masters involved? That would make it masterdebating.>>>::Pulls out Smackers:: Bap!

Shadowrider<<<<Flashes in> >>So that’s what the trench coat was for.

Silvadel<<<You have a boot partition on c: and a boot partition on d: and when you boot the machine, it asks you which operating system you want to boot into.>>Are you really sure Aboot that?
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida
Saturday, February 2, 2002 04:14:04 PM
IP: 64.156.211.114

*blinks*
oh goodie, what a way to wake up ]:D

patrick>> i like how you consider rape, murder, torture, and genocide as <<armed soldiers (or spies or militia or special operatives or what have you) engaged in overt (or covert) combat>> cos.. see.. *I* would have this tendency to classify those actions as *war crimes*.. along with most of the REST of the world.
hmm.. then again, maybe the reason the us tries to weasel its way out of international courts where it cant control the proceedings is because you guys think rape, murder, torture, and genocide are okay.. at least, thats what YOU seem to be saying. though.. that doesnt go too well with you being against abortion, since THATS murder and all.. o.O

lain "failte gu tir an airm" iwakura
the Great White North
Saturday, February 2, 2002 02:37:38 PM
IP: 64.228.197.76

Metaldemon><<Isn't it evdient that the magical word "ignorant" destroys your entire argument.>> No, it isn't. An arguement is not destroyed until the holder can no longer believe it. I think this is why I love debate so much; logic trumps rhetoric.

Patrick><> Sorry, I should have clarified. If one is sickened by someone's belief that the "fetus" is something other than human, how do they cope with the fact that their country installs brutal murderers of inarguably human men, women, and children? In the first few weeks of pregnancy, the "fetus cannot scream, cannot cry, cannot beg for mercy. The Okinawan civilians raped and murdered by American soldiers certianly could, though. So could the millions killed by dictators installed by america in South America and Africa.
The point is that the world is a cold, hard, cruel place. There are far worse things in Heaven and Earth than a lack of belief in the humanity of the "fetus". If that's all it takes to make you sick, how do you handle US foriegn policy?

Crzy><<Why don't you go give birth to a child... then we can talk.>> Interesting. I've never given birth to a child, and so I have no right to an opinion on the matter? This is, if I'm not mistaken, the logic usually used by pro-choice women to kick the legs out from under male opponents.
If you want to say that I don't grasp the rich emotions associated with birth, that's entirely possible. Unfortunately, that's not what you did.
You stated that a philosophical position was based entirely on "ignorance". Ignorance, apparently, is lacking experience of the joys of birth. How do you explain the fact that these views are held by a plurality of adults in our nation, many of whom are loving mothers and fathers?
You also seem to miss the fact that, as powerful and significant an event as birth may be, that power and significance is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. It has absolutely no relevence to the factual question of whether or not the "fetus" is human.

The debate over abortion isn't an easy one. Rather than constructing logical arguements to validate your opinion, you simply declare that others have no right to their beliefs, because they lack subjective experience. In this way, you allow logical convinience to trump logical character. You abort the arguement.
Gunjack "Say the Line" Valentine
Saturday, February 2, 2002 02:09:05 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

gunjacK> Isn't it evdient that the magical word "ignorant" destroys your entire argument. Get a clue!
And, of course, rape and genocide among soldiers are things to extol and support, while abortion should be condemned because it's wrong. How can you compare the two?
Crzy> A man may not have as much of a role in the birthing experiance, but that is still HIS seed that grew and fostered with the woman, it is as much a part of him as her. Your arguments are what feminsits for choice use to keep abortion legal. "You don't have to give birth to a child, you male oppressor! What do you know!?"
God forbid you should be a lower-class, pregnant teenager whose boyfriend just left her cuz she's pregnant.
metaldmeon
Saturday, February 2, 2002 01:14:55 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Jan and Crzy > :: applauds you both ::

Gunjack > I don't see a whole lot of similarity between defenses newborn babies and armed soldiers (or spies or militia or special operatives or what have you) engaged in overt (or covert) combat, and so I tend to grant more sympathy to the former over the latter. But again, that's just my opinion. And since I interpreted the statement the same way that Crzy did, yes, that opinion also includes thinking that anyone who would question the existence of consciousness in a newborn infant is mistaken in their theory.

But would I call someone an ignorant poopyhead? Heck no... I could think up MUCH more clever phrases if pressed to do so. >:)
"Bin Laden is a big fat doodie-head." -- seen recently on a t-shirt.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 2, 2002 01:01:13 PM
IP: 66.72.198.5

Ack.. that was me. (in case you couldnt figure it out)
"Ms. Anderson"
Saturday, February 2, 2002 12:59:02 PM
IP: 67.227.14.107

Gunjack - Why don't you go give birth to a child... then we can talk. Because until then, you are completely ignorant on the entire concept of the emotions of birth. I'm sorry, but you have no basis to compare the experience and therefore you are ignorant on the subject. Not your fault... and not a bad thing. Being ignorant and not being able to understand something you cannot personally experience is much better than being stupid or purposefully blind... But thanks for stepping up and proving me right. I appreciate that. :)
Anonymous
Saturday, February 2, 2002 12:58:24 PM
IP: 67.227.14.107

Crzy><<You are now my hero for putting into words exactly what I was thinking! I think it's mainly the opinion of the ignorant.>> *Stares, dumbfounded*
...
...
Wow. An international debate spanning decades, one of the most bitter issues ever to face our nation... And you reduce it down to "they're ignorant". Well good golly gee Mrs. Anderson, I guess that settles things. We'd all better just pack up and go home now, since there's no more debate to be had.
I hate abortion. I think it's a fairly monstrous practice, and I especially despise how our nation treats it as a sacred cow and enshrines it as "Women's Rights". But I can (and have) backed up all those positions with REASON. Your idea of a reasoned arguement seems to be glorified playground name-calling, on a level with calling someone a poopyhead when they take your toys. The extra touch of calling them "ignorant" is ironic enough to make me ill.
<<... and that just makes me totally sick to my stomach.>> I just spent six days debating examples of US-linked rape, murder, torture, and genocide. I'm sorry, but if someone denying Entity X's humanity turns your stomach, you really should take a swing at living under a rock in montana. You're obviously not ready to cope with the real world.
Try again when you've grown the heck UP.
Gunjack "second star to the left" Valentine
Saturday, February 2, 2002 12:10:18 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Jan > congratulations! Heh-heh-heh, though if you think you'll be able to get lots of sleep _now_, dream on! ; ) Hope mom and baby are doing great. Hope your daughter doesn't rip the head off any grocery store cashiers the way I did when Becca was four days old -- PPD and uppity little snots don't go well together. Are you going to post some pics?

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, February 2, 2002 11:40:03 AM
IP: 64.24.214.149

Tyler -- You have a boot partition on c: and a boot partition on d: and when you boot the machine, it asks you which operating system you want to boot into.
silvadel
Saturday, February 2, 2002 11:19:25 AM
IP: 207.207.250.27

Jan - CONGRATS! ::HUGS:: <> BWAA HA HA HA! You are now my hero for putting into words exactly what I was thinking! I think it's mainly the opinion of the ignorant. (and I really don't mean that in a cruel way)... He just doesn't know any better. Once you have a baby of your own (or experience the pregnancy/birth process with someone you care about), you have a better understanding of their consciousness. But since we don't have "PROOF" on souls and other such things... why would someone take the chance of possibly causing harm to a person, just because they THINK they may not have a soul yet?? This doesn't make any sense to me at all.

What mainly makes me ill is that I read this as "It's okay to kill a baby the first week it's alive since it doesn't have a soul yet" ... and that just makes me totally sick to my stomach.

Josh - <<Bah, you'd make a lousy dictator.>> I'm gonna take that as a compliment. ;)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Saturday, February 2, 2002 10:43:19 AM
IP: 67.227.14.107

** Niamhgold enters briefly **

Jan: Woohoo! Congrats on the grandchild...many good times to you and your family :) :: hugs :: Now you and the mother make sure you both get some well-deserved rest ;)

Longer post later. Adios!
Niamhgold
Saturday, February 2, 2002 10:25:11 AM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Jan > Congrats on the grandchild.

Spike > I remember competing in the Pinewood Derby when I was in Cub Scouts... fourth grade, many years ago. From what I recall of how the track is set up, combined with what I later learned in high school, the physics of it are pretty simple. Yiur acceleration comes only from gravity, and the force of graviity exerted on an object is proportional to mass. So for good accelleration down the ramp, you want the car to be as heavy as the rules allow it to be (painting it at the end adds weight, too, which should be taken into consideration when adding any weights, so one does't go over the rules limit). Back when I did it, my dad helped me drill out wood from the bottom to install fishing line weights. The rest of buiding a speedy car is just working to minimize all the resisting forces. At this small a scale, those forces are composed mostly of friction and air resistance (drag). Shaping the little car aerodynamically helps a little, but the biggest help is to do whatever you can to cut down on the friction between the wheels and their axles. I think we used graphite (pencil lead) as a lubricant on the axles of my car, since anything oil-based would likely disolve the plastic. But that was about 18 years ago (sheesh I'm getting old), and there's lots of new stuff on the market. If the rules permit it, I'd probably try some kind of teflon-based lubricant. So there's my input on it. Happy racing next year. :)
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 2, 2002 08:52:57 AM
IP: 66.72.198.5

<Flashes in>

Jan:> Finally! Congratulations to you and to Anna, and best wishes to the newborn Zach! I am glad both him and the new mom are all right...now, how does the proud grandma feels? :)

More later if I can

<flashes out>
Shadowrider
Saturday, February 2, 2002 07:30:51 AM
IP: 213.213.16.182

JAN>> Congratulations on your new little Scout!! I hope you get in lots of grandma cuddle time -- they're so much fun when they're little.
Spike
Saturday, February 2, 2002 06:33:05 AM
IP: 208.190.39.159

JOSH>> <Wouldn't weights in the front help too?> Well, that sort of depends on a lot of variables. The average race track starts with a tall incline (between 4.5 and 5 feet tall) at a 30-45 degree angle and a 40 foot straightaway, ending a 10 degree braking incline. It's been my observation that the nose heavy cars do well on the incline but lose momentum on the straightaway. Back heavy cars do better on the straightaway but are slow coming off the incline. I'm sure there's some good engineering principle for it [*gently nudges Patrick*] but I don't know what it is. One kid just hammered the wheels on his block of wood, painted it like SpongeBob SquarePants (Nickeoleon cartoon, don't ask, TOO moronic), and darned if the thing didn't finish in the top ten.

I think it has to do with Bugs Bunny logic: "I know this defies the law of gravity -- but then I never studied law."
Spike
Saturday, February 2, 2002 06:28:15 AM
IP: 208.190.39.159

its five am and im still not tired!!!!

WHEEEE!!!!!

but im SO FREAKIN BORED!!!
i just downloaded and watched atlantis: the lost empire. and it was amusing but.. not much of anything else. i made a pair of mittens (cos its durn cold out there)

jan>> something useless.. your grandson was born just about two years to the minute after my mother died.. aaaand now im crying, thats great. its been two years, youd think i could let go..
im happy for you and your daughter, and happy your grandson was born safe and healthy.

i still havent talked to my dad. he didnt call today, i thought maybe he might. maybe he forgot. maybe he doesnt care anymore.

yeah so its quarter after 6 and im still crying so im going to abandon posting anything useful for now. maybe when my senses come back.
lain
Saturday, February 2, 2002 06:17:20 AM
IP: 64.228.197.76

Yopper> I did say it was Europe's fault, remember when I said "thanks to Europe."
And don't try to bring Jesus into this. You have too much working against you already. Unless, of course, you mix patriotism and religion, cuz then you get Jesus himself injecting Lethal injections into prisoners (since they're guilty people, after all, and are no longer entitled to any forgiveness or life, and Jesus obviously doesn't love criminals and doesn't want them living, and Jesus also doesn't believe in forgiveness since we're all perfect and cast all the stones we want at criminals...they're just not humans), and you also get to watch him drop an atomic bomb on a country.
Jan> Congrats. on being a grandmother!!!
DPH> Happy B-day!!!

"The thing is a crime, but the worst of it is that the government, in order to have a plausible basis for the domination of the people, has to pretend it holds the highest moral teaching known to man (i.e. the Christian), and that it brings up its subjects in its teaching. That teaching, however, is in its nature opposed not only to murder, but to all violence; and, therefore, the governments, in order to dominate the people and be Christian, had to pervert Christianity and to hide its true meaning from the people, and thus deprive men of the well-being Christ brought them."
--Leo Tolstoy, "Letter to a non-Comissioned Officer."
metaldemon
Saturday, February 2, 2002 04:28:04 AM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Ah, another Friday of nothingness. Well, not quite nothing. I did two things today:

1) I helped with the Apple table that we set up outside the CS building. It was a nice day, and we got a lot of people interested in the stuff. That was kind of fun. The four of us talked about everything mac with anyone who was interested.

2) I came to terms with my checkbook balance. The harsh reality is that I expected my finances at this time of the year to be much better (even taking into account the computer purchases last year). I think I've ruled Gathering out of the picture. I know you're disappointed (not!), but there will be other years. Perhaps NYC '03. The ticket is 400+, then there's a hotel room, that's gonna run 50 or so a night depending on how many people I share with, food, registration...oh yeah, and I don't even know if I'll be able to go. Meanwhile, while I'm sitting on my thumb trying to find out, the rates are going higher.

I'll be working this summer. I miss having an actual "vacation".

replies. Seems there was some debate going on. Were the masters involved? That would make it masterdebating.

Warpmind: <<find that they've installed Windows XP on the machine I work on>>: Don't you love it when someone ELSE changes your operating system on you? <<the darn thing guzzles more resources than, oh, I don't think there IS a working analogy>>: The united states? <<mp3s sound scratchy when I try to type... or scroll through text... or do ANYthing>>: Ouch. <<more people die in avalanches and mudslides than in explosives accidents>>: That's because there aren't enough stupid people playing with explosives. Sad, really. <<how dreadful the job of God must be>>: I dunno, I think it'd be a lot of fun. <<At least when the box indicates a total absence of tentacles>>: Then why bother? <<Most of them, I gather, wear ties and glasses>>: Actually, you'd be surprised. The real disorder comes from the labor. <<genetically imperfect pain response. (My nerves don't translate epidermal pain well. I do feel pain, but not as much as more normal people>>: I was never jealous of you before. Now I am. <<Just by giving them something to think about>>: Right. A blunt object. <<the latest one just went to Israel to get some peace of mind... That does say quite a bit, doesn't it?>>: Says he's lost his grip on reality. <<make it Chicago. They've passed a law against it, which will get Bin Laden a hefty fine>>: There's another county like that in CA too.

David G: <<When a Conservative finds himself in a difference of opinion with someone, he sees it as a matter of right and wrong (as in "correct" or "incorrect" - not in the moral sense). One side has the right answer, and the other side doesn't>>: I heard one that was "liberals think with their hearts, conservatives think with their heads." I think I agree: neither is wrong, but neither has the whole picture either. <<I'm sorry I didn't consider the feelings of short-sighted, idiotic, sheep-like people who can't handle opinions that differ from their own and are so shocked by any ideas that run contrary to their limited worldviews that they lose their ability to read half way through a paragraph>>: Isn't that the entire planet?

Spike: <<The secret to building a fast pinewood derby car is a simple design and fast wheels>>: Wouldn't weights in the front help too?

Crzy: <<If we used our powers collectively for good, we could change the world.... ... or take it over>>: Which one of those is considered "good"? <>: Bah, you'd make a lousy dictator.

metaldemon: <<perhaps we're LOOKING FOR ANSWERS. THEY'RE JUST THERE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR THEM. Here's, stop putting dictators into office. Stop toppling governments that aren't that bad. Try anything elses BESIDES A BOMB. Violence isn't the only answer>>: I didn't say it was. What I see from you and lain is "this is bad, that is bad, don't do that, try not doing this." But what I don't see is a suggestion of what we SHOULD be doing.

Silvadel: <<make it a dual boot machine>>: Sadly, OS X isn't available for intel ;-) How does dual boot work on a PC? Where do you tell it which partition to boot from? Is there a way to switch at the beginning of the booting process? <<he changed the verbiage from fetus to unborn child. One big and sneaky step towards trying to outlaw abortion>>: Der. He's got an 85% approval rating. To quote one of my favorite movies "let's take it out for spin, see what it can do!"

Christine: <<Haldol in a handy Glade Plug-In, I'm getting a jumbo-pack for this room>>: Hey! That stench is coming from Gside, not me!

Greg X: <<feeling more morally rightious than the either>>: Which is really a waste of time, since clearly I'm far more moral than any of you. <<Me, I'm Pro-Choice and Pro-Death Pentalty thus making me Pro-Death. There, I coined a new term>>: LOL. Me too.

Lain: <<lets see here.. well.. you probably *shouldnt*>>: Damnit you did it again. These are lot of shaking your fingers at stuff we have done, telling us what we shouldn't do. But not a single suggestion of what would have been a better SOLUTION to the problem. You and metaldemon don't get it: you haven't come up with a single solution. Don't come to me with problems. Because I don't care. Come to me with solutions. Those change the world.

Winterwolf: <<You should post>>: Something tells me you keep her off the machine.

Daphne: <<Daphne's Annual Valentine's Day Boycott>>: Go you. Hallmark is the spawn of satan. <<notices a groundhog meandering about the room>>: SHOOT IT!

Siryn: <<picture>>: The link is dead. <<any questions, comments, concerns, flames, cookies, or thankyous pleasefeel free to email us>>: How does one e-mail a cookie? Better yet, how do you answer a cookie?

Patrick: <<how long do I have to be a good Republican before I get my mansion and my Mercedes with the Rush Limbaugh bumper sticker?>>: Ah, you have it backwards. Being a republican does not make you rich. It's the other way around...sometimes.

Gunjack: <<What's eatin ya?>>: No one, apparently. <<What ever happened to peace, love, dope?>>: Republicans, I'd imagine 8-)

DPH: <<Just for that, I might have to send you Flowers anonymously for Valentine's Day>>: Here's a tip: its not anonymous if you tell her you're sending them. <<Y'all will check the CR calendar, right?>>: Once a month, I imagine. Oh. Happy Birthday. (I checked tonight).

Jan: Congrats! Wish your daughter a congrats from the CR, too. <<after 10 hours of labor>>: ACK! Was Anna alright? I cannot believe its been nearly nine months since you told me in Los Angeles that Anna was pregnant. <<was 21" long>>: So much to say... <<thank goodness he does not look like the sperm donor>>: Yet. <>: More retarded than the darwin award winners?

Ravyn: <<labor has got to be one of the scariest, grossest things out there. **shudders** And kids are creepy anyway>>: I'm guessing you won't be having any then.

Mooncat: << It's subtitled and has yummy French talk all the way through>>: Okay then I can probably skip it. <<A little excessive in the blood splooshing>>: On the other hand maybe not...

Gside: <<That's because it already has once, back in ancient Greece. Who knows how long this resurgance will last?>>: LOL very clever. <<Wimps, pansies, etc>>: Ah, I see. In that case, I'm the wimp. <<don't blow my cover>>: You pretend to be a grandmother? <<Named after Oliver Reed Smoot Jr>>: Yes, but did you know that the Smoot used to measure the bridge was the little brother of the Smoot that did the measuring? <<It's just something I pulled out of a random orifice>>: Do you roll 1d6 for that? <<You have a point there>>: I have several. <>: Who? <<the world did not exist before you were born? Ergo, I am as old as the word geek>>: Ah, yes. But aren't you younger than I am? <<sadly, I have an idea for the biginning and some plot points of a fic>>: Any idea for an end? <<The extraneous comments keep this place much more alive>>: The extraneous comments ARE this place. <<too many people are doing time critical work in the wee hours to risk overloading the system>>: Freak CS people. <>: That's what I did with this one. But I couldn't leave until my group finished it too. <<It's what you do to meat after you put it through an egg wash>>: !@#$ you're right.

Going to the Apple Store tomorrow. Need sleep.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
-Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt), Fight Club

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, February 2, 2002 04:25:27 AM
IP: 64.170.154.146

SJ> <<first thing they do is start sucking man-junk like it?s going out of style!>>: That's because it already has once, back in ancient Greece. Who knows how long this resurgance will last?

Imzadi> <<what is a nancy boy?>>: Wimps, pansies, etc.
<>: Hey, don't blow my cover.
<<Well, at MIT they have smoots>>: Named after Oliver Reed Smoot Jr (of height 5' 7"). First used to measure the Harvard bridge (364.4 Smoots + 1 ear).
<<Okay I do. tell me>>: It's just something I pulled out of a random orifice.
<<Believe it not, no>>: Then I refuse to believe it.
<<But carmelizing isn't>>: You have a point there.
<<For those pesky catwomen>>: I believe the last recorded use was for Solomon Grundy.
<<Damn, you got, uh, shafted>>: That was about my thoughts at the time.
<<Your parents aren't liberal enough>>: Even after he went to Woodstock.
<<Ooh, good call>>: Thank you.
<<Yet the term geek existed long before you did>>: Aren't you the one who claims the world did not exist before you were born? Ergo, I am as old as the word geek. And most others.
<<Because I'm paying attention to OTHER minute things>>: Good.

Shadowrider> <<Well, it is for sure true...but how does that relate with the topic?>>: The terms used in dynamics may not also be euphamisms in languages other than English.
<>: It isn't important in the least.
<<you wil probably have an improvement of flight performance...decreases all your speed parameters (max speed, cruise speed etc.)>>: Thanks. It's just that, sadly, I have an idea for the biginning and some plot points of a fic.

Spacebabie> <<What that she stuffs?>>: No, that it might be that he stuffs. I could handle a hermaphrodite, though.

DarkD> <<The last time i checked this site was for Gargoyles and Gargoyles only>>: That must have been a long time ago you checked here. Anyway, with a finite subject matter (and understandably slow expansion of the subject), discussion here could easily wither. The extraneous comments keep this place much more alive.

Fire Storm> <<Dr. Anton Sevarius>>: Good idea, but on second thought, Wilek might be a more appropriate source.
<<Hey, I am talking about THEORY here, ok?>>: And it is a nice theory, but too many people are doing time critical work in the wee hours to risk overloading the system.

Should I repost The Gulf War Song?

Imzadi> <>: I can get through my 3 hour labs in under 20 minutes. I've even finished one lab before it started.
<<bread isn't a verb>>: Actually it is. It's what you do to meat after you put it through an egg wash.

Warpmind> <<At least when the box indicates a total absence of tentacle>>: Were there any on the worms?
<< Takahashi characters decided that ruling Hell was a genuine waste of time, and decided to take a vacation>>: They started a lounge act? They probably did pretty well. I do rather like Equal Romance.
<<I'm only at Sourcery yet, so I haven't actually read Carpe Jugulum yet>>: Since I am usually extraordinarially cheap, I am mostly reliant on gifts for my collection. Ergo, I have a bit out of order. Mostly due to misreading of the order of multiple columns (all the way down first, then across).

A happy birthday yesterday to Zach, and a happy birthday today to DPH.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, February 2, 2002 02:35:44 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Is it me, or does the room turn over earlier and earlier now? Geez... it's only 17 minutes into Saturday my time (just after midnight)

Well, saw Brotherhood of the Wolf. It's subtitled and has yummy French talk all the way through. Yummy guy in a loin cloth. Yummy bordello. Yummy wolves. All around quite a fun film. A little excessive in the blood splooshing, and melodrama, but kewl scenery, nice acting. Was pretty!!!

Gah... these 2 hour plus movies make my eyes wonky though. Hard time focusing on my computer screen. sigh. maybe it's just fatigue though. mmm... naptime.

later
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, February 2, 2002 01:20:57 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Congratulations, Jan! And I understand about the weak stomach thing ... labor has got to be one of the scariest, grossest things out there. **shudders** And kids are creepy anyway. Congrats on ol' Zach finally getting here, though! **hugs**

Happy Birthday, dph. :)
Ravyn
Saturday, February 2, 2002 01:11:59 AM
IP: 150.135.180.226

sorry, for the double post...
Congrats, Jan!!!!

[nervously eyeballing that groundhog]
Daphne
Saturday, February 2, 2002 01:11:02 AM
IP: 129.68.10.47

happy birthday, dph!

[notices a groundhog meandering about the room] huh. that's odd.
Daphne
Saturday, February 2, 2002 01:10:18 AM
IP: 129.68.10.47

Jan - Way to round out the top ten!!! 8D
Gunjack "GRATZ!" Valentine
Saturday, February 2, 2002 12:37:41 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Steven Zachary Miller (Zach) has finally made his appearance! =) The little darlin' arrived at 8:47pm cst (after 10 hours of labor) and he weighed 7lbs 4oz and was 21" long. He is really a very pretty baby - thank goodness he does not look like the sperm donor.

*reads Silvadel's opinion of how babies do not have souls* Huh? Where do you come up with that opinion? *blinks slowly* You're right, though.. you are entitled to your opinion.. but I'm entitled to my opinion of your opinion and I think that's one of the most retarded things I've heard in a long time.

I'm exhausted and I'm going to bed now. Even though experiencing the birth of my first grandchild was something that I'm glad that I was able to participate in - I really don't want to ever do that again. I have a weak stomach... enough said.

Pictures of Zach will be posted as soon as possible :)
Jan
Saturday, February 2, 2002 12:16:36 AM
IP: 12.110.236.41

NEIN!
Josh
Saturday, February 2, 2002 12:05:35 AM
IP: 64.170.154.146

and a happy birthday to you, too, mr DPH! :)
lain
Friday, February 1, 2002 11:25:58 PM
IP: 64.228.197.76

8!8!
lain
Friday, February 1, 2002 11:23:37 PM
IP: 64.228.197.76

7?

DPH>> :)
Daphne
Friday, February 1, 2002 11:22:45 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

Daphne - <Instead, I'm going to simply point out that it is once again time for Daphne's Annual Valentine's Day Boycott.> Just for that, I might have to send you Flowers anonymously for Valentine's Day.

Y'all will check the CR calendar, right? ::Hint, Hint::

SJ - <all politicians are, in the end, pretty much self-serving> If they didn't serve some cause, they wouldn't run for office. The trick is finding a politician whose interests align with your own.

**INVISIBLE MAN SPOILERS**
Damn it, things were lined up for a brand-new season. This makes me wonder about the Official, though. He's been working at reforming Darien since day 1. It would have been nice to put Darien's nemesis behind bars, though.
**END INVISIBLE MAN SPOILERS**

# 6

post to be continued
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, February 1, 2002 10:49:34 PM
IP: 204.94.193.32

Aw what the hell... 5th
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Friday, February 1, 2002 10:48:13 PM
IP: 67.227.14.12

4th!!!!!
Peter - [hybridone@ignmail.com]
Williams Lake, BC, Canada
Friday, February 1, 2002 10:46:18 PM
IP: 64.114.74.15

Third?
Gunjack "Perserverence Pays Pain* Valentine
Friday, February 1, 2002 10:38:10 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Second! :)
Ravyn and Coyote
Friday, February 1, 2002 10:32:21 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

First!
Patrick Toman
Friday, February 1, 2002 10:27:27 PM
IP: 66.72.198.5