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Not much to say and too tired to think of something....

DPH>> thanks for the flowers. yes, I knew it was you :)

GOd bless!
Daphne
Saturday, February 16, 2002 08:02:11 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

*Warpmind strolls in, sporting a black eye.*
Hi, gang. A word of advice: when you're out at any manner of public place, and a young asian-looking girl wearing something resembling a school uniform appears, don't look confused. If you do, don't be too surprised when she asks what you're thinking about. If *that* happens, well... any sentence beginning with the word "cephlapoid" should be avoided at all costs. (Fortunately, my left hand was able to fish my glasses away before she threw her punch. If only my brain had had the time to override my mouth instead...)

Anyway, about a week's worth of upcatching to do...

Patrick Toman: 39 cents? Not in Norway, it won't... Just trust me on that.

Christine: Got your e-mail. Will try to, uh, conjure up more such spells. ;)

Green Baron: Whether JWs are New Age or not, they're annoying. And, IMO, deserve the kind of curse I cast upon one of them. };)

Fire Storm: Well, you know, rule #1 of meddling with crystal balls: Shut Them Off First. Rule #2: After meddling, perform all diagnostics OUTSIDE! Rule #3: Remember rules #1 & #2.

I see mention of the Three Tenors. Logically, they should be balanced by Six Fivers or Thirty Singles... };)

Lain/Mara/Aaron: You three know, of all the things I've been expecting from friends around the world, only those pieces of art you know seem to be lost... :( Yup, it's sad but true - the 'goyle-me that Lain made seems to be lost in the mail somewhere, and the same seems to have happened to the two pieces that I commissioned from Mara. AND the CD that should accompany the pics. *Grumble* I am tempted to get myself a BIG implement of amputation and go through the post offices from my end, and maybe you guys could try to track it from your end, if we meet in the middle without success, we know it's probably lost forever, and take it out on postal workers worldwide? :(

Spacebabie: The next letter is N. :)

Oh, and to all who wonder when the next TGS season is out, I have a good approximation: Sometime before the next visit of Halley's Comet.

Well, I think I'm somewhat caught up - I'm not butting into the sin/Bible debate this time; better just leave it be for now.
*Heads out, mumbling something about "Lain", "Wings" and "Explanation"...*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, February 16, 2002 01:36:22 PM
IP: 193.216.43.182

Patrick --- *^_^* hee... but I'm addicted to your writing! More, more, more!!! *^_~* And I'm probably only one of the people who keep nattering at you for your next piece.

As for work, I'm thinking it will be hard work, but I'm hoping the fun will still be there. You see, I can work on my own and create fan fics (and I do) but working with a (small) group of people can help generate energy and enthusiasm and produce some keen stuff. You have to get the mix right, but when you do, BAM! I've worked in story groups before, and yeah, sometimes the energy high only lasts a few months to a year, but in that time some incredible fiction can come out.

At worst, we come up with total crap and are not really worse off than before. We hit delete and go on with our lives. But the brass ring will be some wonderful new Gargoyles stories and hopefully new and closer friendships between authors.

As for work load, if someone feels they can't do it, they can bow out or go on hiatus, real life happens and we are all familiar with that. I want people to come into this with no other expectation than to do our best, and see what happens. *^_^*

We have the wonderful example of the TGS, Ask Greg Archives, and an already established tv 3rd season of Gargoyles to rip up and redo so that won't lack for story structure even if we all (powers forfend) get hit with writer's block at the same time.

Thanks everyone who has commented on the idea. Advice will be heeded *^_^* pros and cons weighed.

Any writers and artists interested in being part of this, please contact me.
Mooncat - [Mooncat@kscable.com]
Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:55:14 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

:: peeks back in ::

Small correction... I meant to say I'm evaluating my travel options for G2002, not G2003.

Just typical for me lately... so much going on I don't even know what year it is most of the time. :P
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:42:42 PM
IP: 66.72.203.206

Surgery was a succses they made a small inscion and removed from her stomache the needle, about a foot of thread and a hairball.The cut was so small that they only had to use about four or five stitches. I have to give her antibiotics twice a day and she can only eat moist cat food.

Another medical problem that is applied to me. I know guys don't like to hear about so I'll keep it gentle. On average my Aunt Flo visit's once a month. Well it hasn't been 21 days since her last visit and she came yesterday. My Mother thinks its stress from worrying about the cats.
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DPH<<<N.>>> Correct. You get some Girl Scout Cookies:::Hands dPH some Caramel delights, Thin Mints and the chocolate coverd Peanutbutter cookies::

Mooncat<<<I'm thinking just a small group of 4 or 5 writers, working together to create a new virtual season going in a different direction than TGS.>>>Sounds like a great idea.

Green Baron<<<That reminds me of a priest talking about whether or not Jesus had body odor. >>>He probably did considering the hygene back then. Take care in Istanbul…Not Constinople

SJ<<>> Hmm Lawyers responsible for the destruction of the rainforrest? I knew they were evil.

Niahmgold<<<Chocolates preferred, but I'll also take those Necco heart-thingies, too, and maybe some Nerds and swedish fish and twizzlers and...okay, so I just want candy ;)>>>:::Fills her bag with more Cookies:::

GXB<<<"Valentine's Day is not for hanging out with your mother, it's for spending time with the person you are currently f-cking!".>>>LOL. You don’t hve to be banging you can be doing the first three bases first.

Josh<<<F*CK UNITED AIRLINES IN THE @$$ WITH A BIG SPLINTERED PIECE OF WOOD >>> How about a large chunk of bulky charp rock?<<<Who cares?>>>Because you don’t know it :P<<<He probably made them magically go away.>>> He invented the Tummy Mint tea<<<Obviously you've been in the wrong four-ways.>>> I haven’t been in any.<<<How can you tell which is which?>>> Well since Gore is a democrat he is naturally a jackass.<<>>Make me think of stuck up people<<<Too late ;-)>>> Oh well.<<<Who?>>> A country singer. <<<I've come down with a bit of a nose/throat cold thing.>>>I hope you feel better soon. Drink plenty of herbal tea with honey mixed in.

Firestorm<<<X-PRIZE ALL THE WAY>>>Is that a Xbox and or something x rated?

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:32:12 PM
IP: 65.57.80.186

Mooncat > "I want to have some fun with a few like minded writers and try our best to do something fun, and hopefully enjoyable for others as well. You don't have to read it if you don't want to." -- I remember how my feelings were pretty much the same back in the early months of 1997 when TGS was first starting up. Of course, by spring of 2000 my thoughts had become more along the lines of "I need to get out of here before I finally kill someone." Some that had to do with general frustration over trying to work in an evironment where every little detail had to be handled via committee... and some of it had to do with how the workload was (and was not) being shared among all involved. I'm not saying don't try starting up a new project if you really want to give it a shot... I'm just cautioning that it can turn out to become a lot more real work than you may expect going in, especially once people become accustomed to a regular production schedule. That's one of the nice things about writing independently, IMO... no hoard of people standing over you like adicts needing their next "fix", waiting for you to publish the next episode.

Josh > "Who is this committee?" - Click my name. And re: United Airlines - You expected ticket pricing to have logic and make sense? Foolish mortal... that was your FIRST mistake. ;)

G2003 > Still evalutating my travel options here... I also want to go to Comic Con this summer so I've got to budget my money and vacation time well. BTW, I hope the folks I've seen who are talking about catching cabs or shuttles from the airport to the hotel realize that both Richmond and Norfolk are almost an hour's drive from Williamsburg.

Cloning cats > They did this, of course, because there is such a dire shortage of domestic cats in this country that a solution needed to be found to provide cats quickly and cheaply to deserving catless families. Well, not really... that's just my sarcastic answer. They really only did it because they could. It's the biological science equivalent of climing a mountain because it is there. Only instead of planting a flag on the summit, you author a paper and it goes into all the research journals so others in your field will learn your name.
Now... when some wacky scientist starts cloning big cats and cross-splicing their DNA with electric eels and bats... well, then that'll be something worth reading about in the papers. ;)
:: hungry, heads off to clone some lunch ::
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:44:16 AM
IP: 66.72.203.206

Lady Mystic/Claire -- Actually I thought it was composed pretty well with the pictures going from far left to right when going from top to bottom ... It didnt bother me so long as it isnt done on a regular basis.
silvadel
Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:21:49 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Hola!

Jan:> About my grandfather...well, I won't say bad of those who are dead, yet, seems really you had a relative just like him...he always appeared not to care about anything but himself in his life, except when he was pretending to do so...

Josh:> <<Not if you're a civil engineer. >> Hm, I am not sure about it...in nature, you can find examples of structures so complex and armonical...
<<We should find her a male.>> Perhaps...
<> Nah, it is not...after all, we need energy to keep our beautiful minds active, isn't it?
<<Airlines>> Hmm...seems I will have to accelerate my project for the teleporting device..."Beam me up, Scotty"...;)

Welcome to newcomers. As for TGS...we would love to know...

Green Baron:> <> No problem.
<<my mother's parents would be happy with the traditional Catholicism I embrace >> Ironically enough, some of the problems between my father and his father were due to similar questions...sometimes, I think my father developed leftist ideas to countersay my grandfather's ideas...
<<If it is too great, you may want to skip the whole family thing, as a lot of ambition and family do not mix well.>> I think there must be a way to find a compromise.

Winterwolf:> Nice site! And the mascotte is really intriguing.

Yooper:> << My condolences on the death of your grandfather. >> Thank you.

See everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Saturday, February 16, 2002 06:46:05 AM
IP: 213.255.22.239

Lousy Friday. And that should never happen. Why was it lousy? Because I had to break my religious holiday and do work. I had to wake up early and go to office hours for transportation so that I could learn how to do the homework, because I didn't have a clue.

I'm sorry, but I should not have to do that. I'm near the top of my class, and I show up and stay awake for every lecture. And I understand everything that's going on in lecture. I should not sit down to the homework assignment and not even have a clue on how to start it. Well I guess transportation engineering isn't my calling. I'll stick to physics, because that's what I'm good at.

So after being neurotic about that assignment, I went home and had to work. That work I don't mind, because I get paid. Not much, but its better than a poke in the eye (which is what I get for working on schoolwork).

Last night I played my first games of starcraft in nearly a year. My friend and I whooped four or five comps, which was fun. Not exactly skill building, but fun. I forget how relaxing it is to just destroy stuff.

In other news, I've come down with a bit of a nose/throat cold thing. I suspect that United gave it to me for yelling at them yesterday. I fully intend to rip them a new earhole when midterms are over. I want my money, and I will fight them tooth and nail for it.

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David G: <<Yes, Josh, the battery wasn't initially charged>>: Cheapskates. Apple doesn't pull that crap.

The Wizard: <<Maybe I will say that about you. ;) Link to a pic? I know they exist>>: Check my site. <<Okay, I'm going to buy popsicles>>: I don't want to know. <<gear up for a lazy-a$$ president's day weekend>>: Lucky dog. I have to do work.

Christine: <<tag 'em dead and move on>>: That's what I'm gonna do when I take over. <>: Good idea.

Silvadel: <<You could have some interesting points with the children of Goliath and Elisa... Demona could have softened more -- heck you could have Demona and that new boyfriend she finds. Broadway and Angela need not even have aged significantly if they stayed on Avalon for any significant period>>: I'm sorry, but I think that series has all the potential charm of a hedge maze.

Patrick: <<Bids for Gathering 2003 need to officially submit their bid the Bid Evaluation Committee before the end of the month to be considered>>: Who is this committee?

DPH: <<AOL shelled out money to have all Windows computers pre-installed with AOL. 2)Microshaft is putting on there so that they don't get into trouble having MSN pre-installed on Windows>>: Neither. AOL paid Gateway to do it. <<Go to Priceline.com to hedge your bets about how low will really go>>: Thank you, but I need to decide when I can fly, not them. <<Assumedly, you'll need 2 months just to work out enough outlines to keep you working for a while>>: This is mooncat. She spits out a porn fic every two hours.

Fire Storm: <<Or buy someone else a hooker>>: Who's for sale at G2k2, do you know? <<The women or the comments>>: Which do you think? <<LM wouldn't like it>>: You have a duty to your male friends! <<Whale is more like it>>: No, some are skinny. They're just ugly. <>: What are you gonna do with 20 square feet? <<Quad occupancy is VERY common at the Gathering>>: But not so useful if you want to get some. <<A few are even R (or X) rated!>>: And those are the best ones. <<Mam, would you please step out of the cubicle?>>: For the last time, Patrick Toman is a GUY! <>: That wasn't funny. Not even close.

Mooncat: <<Well, what do you mean "What makes you think you can do any better?" Gee that sounds kind of antagonistic>>: I think the annoyance of people asking when TD is gonna start are getting to him. Don't take it personally. <<Does TGS have a licensed lock on the Gargoyles fan continuum?>>: that depends on who you ask. <<is there a fan fic cop that will toss us in jail if we don't somehow measure up to the TGS? geez>>: If there were most of us would be in jail.

Walonika: <<When are the new stories coming out>>: Later.

Gside: <<Translating C dac and adc functions to MATLAB syntax>>: Woohoo. <<He's a lumberjack, and he's okay>>: Are you sure? Does he wear high heels? <>: Heat is good. <<Going to be a buck cake extra with those LA porno stars?>>: Somehow, I doubt it. <>: All three of them? <>: Ah. My roommate is takin an OS class too. He has to write one. <<You don't have much of a taste for the finer things in life, do you?>>: Au contraire. Unfortunately, for me "the finer things" include lobster, BMW's, and first class plane tickets. <<In which case you make a new theory>>: Good plan. <<First try checking out a real major>>: DIS! But good point anyway. <<I've always found Microsoft hardware quite solid>>: Ironic, since their hardware is less stable than Robert Downey Jr at a strip club. <<Not until after the spanking>>: Awwww, nuts.

Don't quote Dickens in MY apartment!
-Trey Parker, Orgazmo

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, February 16, 2002 03:19:43 AM
IP: 64.170.152.83

Ah finally a day off...and I'm sick. Darn colds!

Green Baron- I'm a 14s Avenger Crewmember. Making E5 is rather easy as long as you don't screw up. Law school and JAG sounds like a solid plan. Nice work.

Fleur<one step ahead of the rest of us> Yes and soon we'll all be one happily, insane family.

God vs Evolution- I believe that all things are possible...at least until I find out what's what.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden12@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 16, 2002 02:55:58 AM
IP: 198.81.17.23

Ah, the joys of labs. Translating C dac and adc functions to MATLAB syntax, but they still convert everything to be -16. Joy.

Imzadi> <<Green Baron wears panties!?>>: He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
<<Now if only I could expand its powers>>: Isn't that what the sheep's for?
<<You'd have to wake up early though. F*ck the omlette>>: I don't know, I still skip by morning, and the omlette is a bit hot for that.
<<Um... *CENSORED*>>: Pretty much what I thought. Going to be a buck cake extra with those LA porno stars?
<<No, I really do>>: Well, I would start by luring M&M obsessed females into my grasp, and it just goes down hill from there.
<>: Don't worry, I was just showing off my recently acquired knowledge from my OS class.
<<NO>>: You don't have much of a taste for the finer things in life, do you?
<<And here I thought it was a new language>>: It probably was.
<<Unless you've reached the theoretical limit>>: In which case you make a new theory.

Fire Storm> <<Not Constantinople?>>: Been a long time gone, Constantinople.
<<Yeah, but she is American>>: No one's perfect.
<<Like my soon to be made 100hp push mower to mow the 20 square feet of lawn I hav>>: Just remember to mount the blades forward. I had to go an entire season with upside down blades.
<<If it is at least 1v, it's 4, >= .75v = 3, >= .5 = 2, etc? Yeah, noise MAY be a problem, but just ignore it>>: It seems signals are usually on a 0 to 10 volt range. And it's the engineers' jobs to not ignore the problem.
<>: It's a CopmpE problem. CompSci is mostly programming.

Greg> <<Hmm, well if I think of any theories, I'll present them>>: I thank you.

Lain> <<ill decide if its higher education in general that bites, or if i just happened to have lucked out by choosing MY school>>: First try checking out a real major.

Gunjack> <<One, I love/Two, she loves/And three/she's true/To me...>>: "One is for sunshine/The second for rain/Three is for flowers that grow in the lane/There's no need explaining/The one remaining/It's someone that I adore..."

Imzadi> <>: I've always found Microsoft hardware quite solid.
<<Yes yes! And then the oral sex!>>: Not until after the spanking.

Walonika> <<When are the new stories coming out or are they stopping the stories for awhile?>>: Um, that question has already been asked a good couple of times this week alone. Later.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, February 16, 2002 01:38:12 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Hey Everyone
When are the new stories coming out or are they stopping the stories for awhile? Does anyone know. I miss the gargoyle gang and I really want to see what happens to everyone especially Brooklyn and Sata. Gotta know!!!
But anyway just a wondering.
Thanks
Walonika
Walonika - [walonika mai@aol.com]
Hawaii, USA
Saturday, February 16, 2002 01:04:12 AM
IP: 66.91.89.223

Mooncat - I'm sorry if I sound antagonistic. I just want to make sure that you do think things completely over before starting a project. I have started one project once upon a time to release the stress in my life. I never got around to completing it. (see the link for what I started) Then, later, I started the BFTS RP and it didn't work out like I had hoped. I'm still interested starting/restarting an RP in the CR, provided that 3-4 people besides me sign up.
Heck, if I let out all the possible series I had in my brain, I would have enough material to keep me going for a long time. If only I could finish up some of outstanding projects: 1)getting a tournament ready for a game; 2)finishing up a scenario editor for same game, 3)finishing up enough code to get a working version of an old program running. I could probably get #2 and #3 done quicker than number #1. If I could finish all of those projects, I could probably find myself trying to tackle another project.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:55:18 AM
IP: 204.94.193.59

Sorry for spelling your name wrong, Claire.

(Forgot my text color and image in my last post. Oh well.)
Lady Mystic
Friday, February 15, 2002 11:32:59 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Clair: Please don't spam the room to test CR pics and text colors. Go to these URLs to view them *before* posting. Thank you.

http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/colors.html
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You can also access these pages via the 'Text Colors' and 'Images' links at the top of the Add Comment page and from the 'Comment Room Information' link at the top of this page.
Lady Mystic - [<--- TGS CR INFO]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Friday, February 15, 2002 11:26:10 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

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Friday, February 15, 2002 11:12:04 PM
IP: 210.8.210.170

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Friday, February 15, 2002 11:11:19 PM
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hi my name is claire i just stumbled apon your site an i woul like to join into the whole chat thing going on, i wanted to say to the person who hates elijah wood, how could you hate someone who you have never met (unless you have lol) so bye fo now. claire (p.s if anyone knows any movie producers please tell me coz i want to be an actor)

Claire - [chi_chi72@hotmail.com]
na-, vic, australia
Friday, February 15, 2002 11:10:08 PM
IP: 210.8.210.170

hi may name is claire i just stumbled apon your site an i woul like to join into the whole chat thing going on, i wanted to say to the person who hates elijah wood, how could you hate someone who you have never met (unless you have lol) so bye fo now. claire (p.s if anyone knows any movie producers please tell me coz i want to be an actor)

Claire - [chi_chi72@hotmail.com]
na-, vic, australia
Friday, February 15, 2002 11:09:08 PM
IP: 210.8.210.170

Mooncat: <Other people should be allowed to do their own fan fic series as it please them>
Others DO do that, just not as a collective. Besides Madame Destine and TGS, I think there is also a couple of small groups of writers making fan-fic too.
TGS is just the most well known.

Heck, as for series, there are a few writers that have a few dozen stories in the GFW. I think MOST writers in the GFW are trying for a series. A few are even R (or X) rated!

Hell, I say go for it! The worst that can happen is you decide it won't work out. Best that can happen is you really pull the fandom together and make a new 'companion' series for TGS.

<As for committment, what, is there a fan fic cop that will toss us in jail if we don't somehow measure up to the TGS?>
"Mam, would you please step out of the cubicle? I have some questions to ask you down at Station 8"
Fire Storm
Friday, February 15, 2002 11:04:55 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

DPH -- Hiya. Well, what do you mean "What makes you think you can do any better?" Gee that sounds kind of antagonistic. *O.o*

I never said I wanted to do better. I simply want to do something DIFFERENT. Something fun, with a few other writers, working on an R rating. Sorry if this somehow offends you. Did I miss something? Does TGS have a licensed lock on the Gargoyles fan continuum? *O.o*

TGS is fan fiction. Really good, nicely organized and continual fan fiction. But it's no more and no less than a group of fan getting together and (hopefully) having fun putting out fan fiction.

Other people should be allowed to do their own fan fic series as it please them. Heck, Christine did one single handedly, that simply blows the mind in depth, complexity, intensity... If a few writers and I can pop out something even half that good, as Christine's gorgeous saga, I'd be one happy camper.

I want to have some fun with a few like minded writers and try our best to do something fun, and hopefully enjoyable for others as well. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. As for committment, what, is there a fan fic cop that will toss us in jail if we don't somehow measure up to the TGS? geez...

It's not like we'd be getting paid for this.

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Friday, February 15, 2002 10:48:22 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

DPH: <> Did you try the other 2 VA airports? NORFOLK INTL, VA (ORF) or NEWPORT NEWS WILLIAMSBURG INTL, VA (PHF).

They're also much closer to Wmsbrg. But - Newport News, although only 30 min away may not be the best because it's a small airport and they may even put you on a prop jet :-b

I'd try for Norfolk first.

Leo
Yorktown, VA, USA
Friday, February 15, 2002 09:05:05 PM
IP: 172.150.23.44

SargeAbernathy: <BTW did I mention I'm a solar system/astrology freak?!?!? Well if I didn't then . . . . I am a solarsystem/astrology freak.>
Kewl. X-PRIZE ALL THE WAY!

Niamhgold: <All this talk about legos makes me want to dig up my brother's old set>
Hmm... Lego!
I pulled out all my copies of Max, Autocad, Poser, etc. and started playing with them. Made me realize I forgot a helluva lot.
<Sorry, that's what I meant>
You meant the test renders? I pulled the meshes into Max and got a few good renders. Made me realize how poorly I lit scenes.
<No, but I plan to eventually. That's more Jay's field. I'm discovering that I'm more of a lighting/texture map person, myself>
Hmm... Then I guess I will work from scratch.
<Agh, I _still_ haven't played with that yet.>
Me neither. :)
I HAVE it. Just haven't messed with it.

Imzadi: <How do you know it won't be a Tuesday?>
I know not the reasons they will not be on a Tuesday, just the ones that say it will be Monday.
<So he can buy a hooker>
Or buy someone else a hooker.
<You can pass them my way, ya know>
The women or the comments?
Or both?
<Got a camera?>
Don't think I should start taking pictures of women here. LM wouldn't like it.
<Yeah, I've seen female math majors. Or should I say, "female" math majors>
Whale is more like it.
<Those are some powerful sheep>
But not powerful enough... YET.
<No, women are the reason we were kicked out>
The women just USED a Mac, right?
<Then again, there are some people in this fandom that I would NOT want to see in a wet t-shirt>
Hmm... good point.
<It's an array of data>
That is supposed to be a giant inefficient battery.
<If that was my lawn, I'd pave it>
I plan to pave some of it for my workshop.
<Not true. You get a bunch of clicky noises>
Good point. VERY entertaining! *click* *Click*

DPH: <AOL shelled out money to have all Windows computers pre-installed with AOL>
Yep.
<If things go for the best, I can afford to. Otherwise, I'll need $$$ to be able to attend. Too many factors need to be resolved (the settlement money is biggest)>
The good news is that you will probably be able to share your room with 3 people. (Quad occupancy is VERY common at the Gathering.)
I did it, and you can to!
Fire Storm
Friday, February 15, 2002 07:50:14 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

David G - <AOL was pre-installed.> Here's a couple of theories about that one: 1)AOL shelled out money to have all Windows computers pre-installed with AOL. 2)Microshaft is putting on there so that they don't get into trouble having MSN pre-installed on Windows. ON top of that, AOL does mass mail outs, distrubuting their software.

IMzadi - Go to Priceline.com to hedge your bets about how low will really go. Once I am assured I can go to the G2K+2 (see below), I plan on trying to go from Little Rock, AR to Richmond, VA and back for ~$250.

**My attendance at the Gathering**
It depends on a couple of factors. First is work-related. I will have to be either working or drawing unemployment (I have to have steady income). That's no big deal. It's only a factor because of my dad. Almost assuredly if I go, I would have to be working within 2 months of getting back.

The 2nd factor is the killer - money. I owe my dad for the car I am driving ($1000). I have to make a payment of $500 one month and start paying him off $100/month. There is a huge difference ($1800+) between the amount my health bills are and the settlement offer to pay those bills. Worse case scenario, I will have to pay my insurance company (hopefully no more than) $100/month to make up the difference. As long as I don't have to pay all these bills up front, my bank balance should be able to handle the cost.

$350 - round trip tickets (hopefully can be cut to $250)
$60 - transportation between airport and hotel
$150 - hotel expenses for 3 nights with 1 room mate [I might be lucky (or unlucky) enough to share the room with 2 people and cut the cost down to $100]
$90 - food expense
$45 - registration fee for the Gathering
$100 - gifts/sovenouirs
$105 - emergency fund
----------------------
$905 - grand total at max
$645 - best case scenario of my cost

If things go for the best, I can afford to. Otherwise, I'll need $$$ to be able to attend. Too many factors need to be resolved (the settlement money is biggest).
**END my attendance at gathering**

Mooncat - Think before you act. The TGS staff has had trouble running at a steady pace, even with annual recruitment drives. What makes you think you can do any better? You might want to start working out what the required pace would have to be to keep up with that schedule and figure out if you will really be able to keep that level of committment up for 3-4 years. Assumedly, you'll need 2 months just to work out enough outlines to keep you working for a while.

In an advance that takes cloning out of the barnyard and into the living room, researchers announced Thursday they have cloned a cat. The female domestic shorthair is called "cc" for "copycat." It was born Dec. 22 and is now healthy and frisky, researcher Duane Kraemer of Texas A&M University in College Station said.

Christine - <one of the hardest things to remember and accept is that there is no CPR done during a disaster
scenario. The object is to help the greatest number of people in the shortest time. So if the victim's not breathing and has no pulse, and the airway can't be opened by just a head-tilt-chin-lift after 2 tries, we're supposed to tag 'em dead and move on.> That sounds very harsh, but neccessary.

DPH
AR, USA
Friday, February 15, 2002 07:01:08 PM
IP: 204.94.193.43

Just a quick reminder...

Bids for Gathering 2003 need to officially submit their bid the Bid Evaluation Committee before the end of the month to be considered. I have heard rumors of bids posted on the web in various places, but you have to send us a note with the URL for us to know who you are and be considered.

The e-mail address is: gathering_bids@hotmail.com

Thanks!
:: we now return to your regularly scheduled comment room ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, February 15, 2002 05:54:59 PM
IP: 66.72.203.206

Reading through these posts, I was shocked to see how many misconceptions there are about Catholic beliefs.

First of all, we do NOT worship Mary or the saints. We only ask for intercession from them.

Purgatory is still a part of our faith, but it is only a place for final purification. Judgement has already been passed by the time a soul reaches purgatory, it's function is to purify them so they can stand in the presence of God. You do NOT have to hire a priest to pray for the dead, you can do it yourself anytime, anywhere.

Dead unbabtized infants will go to heaven because they never had a choice to do evil.

The trinity has plenty of biblical support. Jesus once said: "I am in the Father, and the Father is in me" or something like that.

Catholics don't believe in the 6 day creation of the world. The theory of evolution and other scientific views are now taught in Catholic schools, though the belief in original sin still exists. The Bible itself is not intended to be read literally.
Guardian
Friday, February 15, 2002 05:24:49 PM
IP: 12.15.123.176

Actually Mooncat, Timedancer is the series I like the best.

I think there would be significantly more possibilities of romance if you simply went ahead some number of years after TGS... You could have some interesting points with the children of Goliath and Elisa... Demona could have softened more -- heck you could have Demona and that new boyfriend she finds. Broadway and Angela need not even have aged significantly if they stayed on Avalon for any significant period.
silvadel
Friday, February 15, 2002 03:23:21 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Green Baron > actually, no ... one of the hardest things to remember and accept is that there is no CPR done during a disaster scenario. The object is to help the greatest number of people in the shortest time. So if the victim's not breathing and has no pulse, and the airway can't be opened by just a head-tilt-chin-lift after 2 tries, we're supposed to tag 'em dead and move on. Scary, huh?

Josh > thanks; I hope when you get the chance you like them.

SJ > oh, there are still Prudes ... but I've revised my classification system and wanted to take your terminology into account as well ; ) Adaptability, that's the key! ::resists a bizarre urge out of nowhere to do a Foghorn Leghorn voice:: Anyhoo, I promise never to call you a prude again because it would be a gross misclassification given your admirable vocabulary and irreverence. Deal?

Winterwolf > the site looks great! Good work.

Okay, folks, off to RadCon! Be back late Sunday.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, February 15, 2002 02:41:32 PM
IP: 64.24.214.123

** Niamhgold enters briefly **

Forgot to add this last time:

Winterwolf/Dreamie: Heya ;) That _is_ a beautiful site, with plenty of detail and fast loading time (although I've got DSL anyways ;)). Definitely a sign of your site mastery ;) And I think I'm in agreement with everyone else when I say that the garg mascot rocks!

Greg: <Damn, I thought you were talking about me ;)> Maybe I will say that about you. ;) Link to a pic? I know they exist...

Okay, I'm going to buy popsicles. And gear up for a lazy-a$$ president's day weekend!

Adios!

Niamhgold
Friday, February 15, 2002 09:27:58 AM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Yes, Josh, the battery wasn't initially charged. The manual recommended charging it for 24 hours prior to use. And yes (growl), AOL was pre-installed. Just about any other ISP in the world would have been fine with me, but AOL is evil. Fortunately, that shouldn't be too much of a problem. I hope tonight to get the computer set up the way I want it.

My next project (after I reclaim my other computer's monitor) is to turn my old computer into a Linux box. I have a friend who uses Linux, and I can probably convince him to help me get it set up. We may turn that computer into a server when we get broadband again.

David G.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Friday, February 15, 2002 09:00:35 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

And the moral of today's story is:

F*CK UNITED AIRLINES IN THE @$$ WITH A BIG SPLINTERED PIECE OF WOOD

I *hate* them. I don't care how many vouchers, discounts, and free miles they give me, I will *never* fly on that airline for more than $0.00 ever again. I booked a flight over two weeks ago for about $390, foolishly assuming that fares would go UP as I approached the travel date.

Upon discovering today that a mechanics strike was anticipated and bankruptcy is inevitable for the bastards, I investigated their fares and discovered that the trip now cost as little as $312, with competitors offering as low as $280. Keep in mind that when I booked the flight, everyone was around the same price, plus I had a discount for UA. I called and asked for my money back, and they gave me a voucher for only $30, because apparently the exact itinerary cannot be changed.

So basically, the flight that leaves at time X and connects in Denver is costing me 360, but the flight that connects in Chicago and ends in the same place that leaves 8 minutes later is only $312. And they both cost the same at the time of booking. WTF!?

I hate them all. And now I'm running the risk that they'll go bankrupt and I'll be stuck here. Words do not describe the frustration. This mere piece of lousy news made what would otherwise be a decent day into a terminally frustrating one.

On top of that, I had work and lab, neither of which was much fun. But I made some cash, which is always good for sitting on my lard ass. Thank god I have no school tomorrow.

Stephen: <<Waylan Jennings>>: Who?

David G: <<It's sitting on my bartop charging up the battery>>: The battery wasn't charged when you got it? <<put on Windows XP Pro>>: Why on earth would you do that? <<I'll be...>>: ...a poster child for M$. <<buy a USB mouse>>: I recommend the logitech optical scroller, Mouseman Wheel. It's great. Comfortable, too. <<destroy AOL>>: Even mac users share that sentiment 8-) <<If I could have bought the computer without the AOL account at all, I would have>>: It came bundled with an AOL account?!

Mooncat: <<which people in these fictions do you know? Because there is a difference about discussing fictions and discussing real life people>>: No no, you misunderstand. I don't mind talking about sex in fics at all. That sentence was poorly put together, and should be two separate thoughts. <<there can never be too much promotion>>: Absolutely correct. <<hope to get clued in to some good ones to read>>: If you like vivid descriptions but don't mind fics that are limited to R ratings, I'd recommend the Beginning Anew universe by The Barracuda. Of course, I'm slightly biased since I'm the editor ;-) <<There is no SEARCH by topic/theme or main characters>>: You are right. There should be. <<why do we need three or more CRs to discuss Gargoyles in, or any at all, since the show off the air?>>: Only one ever does, and it ain't this one ;-) <>: Like I said, it doesn't bother me per se, I just don't feel its necessary to have adult content in here when there is a specific CR for that purpose on the same site. Not that I'm gonna stop it! <<actually I smell like lavender and freesia>>: Interesting combination. <<Gotta love Bath and Body Works>>: Massage oils... <<My studs and queens cost me 15 hundred apiece>>: Damn! Why did you pick such expensive cats? <<reflooring my brand new house another 12 thou>>: So even if Gargoyles don't leave marks on hardwood floors, cats do ;-) <>: That's really lame. Sell a few cats. Are they all fixed? <>: Just one? <<From waist length (when it's wet) to shoulder length>>: You had one hair that was all the way to your butt? <<Or how odd it feels to run my hand through my hair, and run out of hair>>: If that ever happens to me, I won't be happy 8-)

Coma-Man: <<anny closer announcements>>: I fail to understand why people need to keep asking. It'll show when it shows.

Fire Storm: <<some Monday in the future>>: How do you know it won't be a Tuesday? <<Give them time>>: If I could do this, I wouldn't care when it was being released. <<bring at LEAST an additional $100>>: So he can buy a hooker. <<no comment>>: You can pass them my way, ya know. <>: I remember that one. <<Alot are hot>>: Got a camera? <<Then there's the women in accounts payable and Marketing>>: Yeah, I've seen female math majors. Or should I say, "female" math majors. <<jump start the tractor>>: Those are some powerful sheep. <<the Apple computer was the reason we were all kicked out of Eden?>>: No, women are the reason we were kicked out. <<Should be>>: Then again, there are some people in this fandom that I would NOT want to see in a wet t-shirt. <<no one can be told what the matrix is>>: It's an array of data. <<20 square feet of lawn I have>>: If that was my lawn, I'd pave it. <>: Not true. You get a bunch of clicky noises.

Spacebabie: <<she swallowed one of my sewing needles>>: OUCH! <<What is the next letter in this sequence?>>: Who cares? <<still got tummy aches>>: He probably made them magically go away. <>: Obviously you've been in the wrong four-ways. <<The Horse’s ass is. The Jack Ass lost the election>>: How can you tell which is which? <<Was it still warm?>>: Of course. <<Ah but this major shall help my writing skills so I can pen the perfect lil naughty fic>>: I'm not gonna hold my breath. Besides, I know plenty of English majors who aren't better writers than I am. <<I’m 135 at a height of 5’6” that’s a reasonable weight>>: Sure. <<The I’m driving an evil yuppy car vibe>>: I fail to see why something is evil just because its yuppy. <>: Too late ;-)

DPH: <<reading my local newspaper online>>: I read the LA times every day. Unfortunately, I only read the business section, so I still have no clue what's going on in the world. <>: Need me to buy you anything? <>: Probably want to estimate 10, because the area is a tourist trap as I recall. <<That brings my running total to $617. Is there any other expense (other than the standard bribes) that I have overlooked?>>: Buying stuff! <<Cool way to keep you away from the Gathering>>: Not quite. Guess where the jet engine division is? <<When making out a schedule, you should always leave time for lunch>>: I try not make out with schedules. <<In case you are wondering>>: I wasn't.

Christine: <<Harry Potter / Gargoyles crossover>>: I promise one of these days I'll read your fic 8-)

Green Baron: <<persoanlly I don't believe God micro-manages, but that is only a personal belief and not official canon law>>: Does he really have the time? I'd be too busy fighting lucifer. <<or there was a Big Bang started by God>>: A gang bang? <>: And I think there are people who don't merely to retain the image of religious propriety. <<like lingusists should not appear to be political gurus>>: Or even alive for that matter. <<a lot of ambition and family do not mix well>>: This is one thing I fully agree with you on. <,in some ways I see you having a similar smart-ass streak to rival SJ and Imzadi>>: DER! <<he is probably some secret source fo power that lurks the CR awaiting to amke us all bow down to him and make us all Jebbittes>>: I'll have to kill him and take it. <>: I think your issues with mom flat out explain every other issue you have. <<Personally I think such people are destined for jobs that are vital to running the machinery of life>>: You'd be surprised what that includes, and how fulfilling it can be. <>: They should start by changing their name from "seminary" to something else. <<To me, passion equals anger>>: Well that's your mistake. <<celibacy drives a priest to pedophilia>>: No, celibacy drives them to try and get ANYTHING. <>: Those two sentences are mutually exclusive. <<Too bad, Hell has all its computers on MS-DOS>>: Too bad for Lucifer that I'm nearly as effective in DOS as I am in Windows. <<It may defy your sense of reason, but it works>>: No, it doesn't. You are not a better person, no matter how many times you say it. You just feel better because your religion told you that it was good. <<BUt I'm the Green Baron and who can resist the Green Baron>>: A female with a sense of reality? <>: LOL!

Winterwolf: <<So far I've given Dreamie chocolates, two cards and a bunch of other mushy stuff>>: Lucky sap. <<Flowers and dinner are coming up later tonight>>: Yes yes! And then the oral sex! ;-) <<Of course Dreamie did the blue gargoyle.>>: I figured. It screams Dreamie. <<Quiet you!>>: Not likely! <<Stay Tuned and don't listen to Josh>>: Even though I'm always right and Dreamie's just as arrogant as I am. <<Winterwolf leaves with a large grin on his face>>: Why don't you just yell "I'm getting laid tonight and YOU"RE not!"

Galvatron: <<When does Timedancer come out?>>: Later.

Sevarius Jr: <<Applying to law school SUCKS>>: I hear ya. Applying to any school sucks. I'll be applying to law schools next year. Tell me where you're going so we can be roomies. We'll raise all sorts of hell ;-) <<Will Smith should eat a bullet (.com)>>: That's a .com? <>: I'm no expert, but I don't think that can kill you. <<unless we’re talking about Winterwolf & Dreamie, in which case I want detailed notes>>: I am SO not saying anything, or I will get smacked twice. <>: And that's why we love you. <>: Isn't that list roughly 6 billion people long?

Sarge: <<why? Because Macintoshes are the best computers in the WORLD!!>>: Woohoo I've converted another one! I hope you enjoy your iBook, and don't hesitate to bug me if you need stuff. <<Apple is taking their sweet time with it>>: Custom education orders often get the short end of the stick. Though not as bad as G4's with the GeForce4 Titanium, which are waiting 6-8 weeks. <<I'm am in constant need for love>>: No time for love, Dr. Jones!

The Wizard: <>: I don't. No one loves me :-( <<Three out of my four roommates are down with this flu, so now I don't feel so bad>>: Mostly because you hate them ;-) <<my brother got dumped by his girlfriend today>>: That sucks. <<ended up coming home with three more suitors and five boxes of chocolates>>: How come when I break up with a girl I don't have the rest crawling all over me? <<Just doesn't wake up, does he?>>: Nope. <<Bwahahahahaha!>>: I'll guard the macs with my life. <<Really now?>>: Must I prove it? <<The only remotely good-looking guy is Greg, and because of his car he's got quite the hot girlfrined>>: Chicks really do dig the car. <<Depends on the girth and the woman, I guess>>: Indeed. <<Although in light of recent events, you're reconsidering>>: I'm not, but apparently United is. <<How much does it pay?>>: Payment in massage oil and other fun stuffs. <<Oh, Doloris!! It's DOLORIS!>>: I remember that episode! <<Not to the fullest extent, I'd imagine>>: That's what you get for having a high purity score.

Yooper: <<To top it all off, I shot the hostage in the head three times>>: You are my hero.

Greg X: <<Valentine's Day is not for hanging out with your mother, it's for spending time with the person you are currently f-cking!>>: No SHIT! How could that be confusing? <<But Seth Green left her, and the show>>: Fool. <<you know what, I'm almost 21, and I haven't seen them in 20 years!!! The whole notion of godparents is ludicrous>>: nah, its someone to spoil your kid when you don't speak with your brother anymore ;-) <>: I insist on a vote. <<and we're all manifestations of Niamhgold>>: I'm pretty sure we're not. I met her. <<do some NC-17 stuff also>>: Mooncat? Never. <>: LOL.

Lain: <<happy over-commercialized mushy-love day to all>>: Oh, if only I'd been with a cute chick today. <<its also the first anniversary of gunjack and i being mushy awwwww... in dat sweeeeeet..... blerch.. i think im making mySELF sick>>: Not to mention the rest of us. <<who goes slaying in THAT kind of hat?>>: She does. <>: Damnit. I meant unconnected. <<he USED to sell nuclear reactors to korea but.. then his conscience got the better of him and now he cleans up toxic industrial waste>>: I like his old job better. <<Today's forecast calls for naked running girls>>: I'm switching to your school. <<this couldnt get *AAAANY* better, could it?>>: I can think of many ways.

Leo: Welcome. Don't ask about timedancer.

Alright, tired.

What if the volume and pressure aren't constant? Well, then you're f*cked.
-Angus McLelland, Physics 7b

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, February 15, 2002 03:04:41 AM
IP: 64.170.152.83

Hello, this will be my first post. (notice i didn't use a "leo" pic.)

I live just outside Williamsburg so i may be able to answer any travel related questions for those interested in attabding G2002.

Just trying to be useful the first time in the CR. :-)
Leo
Yorktown, VA, US
Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:29:37 PM
IP: 172.163.251.222

*Val sits back to back with Lain, watching the fire*

One year down, love... Fifty more to go. Shall we?

*Offers her his hand, gently kisses the back of her palm, and sweeps her into a slow waltz that leads them out under the stars*

One, I love
Two, she loves
And three
she's true
To me...
Gunjack Valentine
Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:27:44 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

hello!
happy over-commercialized mushy-love day to all!!!!

(its also the first anniversary of gunjack and i being mushy awwwww... in dat sweeeeeet..... blerch.. i think im making mySELF sick..)

aaaaanyway.. i worked today.. and im working tomorrow.. and saturday.. and sunday.. and tuesday! HUZZAH FOR WORK!!!!! HUZZAH FOR MOOOONEYYY!!!!!!! soon i will be able to buy fooooood!!!!!!!

dad still hasnt called. im feelin the love.

josh>> <<And your assignment was...?>> oh.. some useless dohickey about analyzing a magazine advertisement and the references it was making to dead white guy art. rather dull.. i think ishy enjoyed it more than i did.. <<Welcome to lala land, where money is irrelevant>> and fashion, obviously.. as witnessed by willows shirts and that.. *thing* buffy was wearing round her neck at the bronze the week before last.. and.. who goes slaying in THAT kind of hat?! o.O <<No, you were referring to SJ. But it strongly implied that it was directed at me as well>> um.. actually it wasnt referring to you at *all* you didnt even cross my mind.. but.. i guess since you and sj really *are* the same person.. i can see how a mixup could occur :P <<Hey rocket scientist, those were UNCONNECT IMAGES>> er.. im obviously not a rocket scientist at *all*.. talk to my dad.. me? i didnt even understand THAT sentance.. whats "unconnect images"?? <<Nothing there about Lucas's kid (who you don't know) giving oral to Nsuckit>> that was later on in that same post.. i just didnt quote it.. it was overkill as it was. <<Again, not quite the same as the images you gave us>> cos you know me and you dont know them? if thats the difference, then i understand. maybe you could have been more clear with it.. then i wouldnt have gone *DUUUUUUH* over it for so long and we could have moved onto bigger and brighter things to talk about by now.. like.. <> my dad works for GE.. he USED to sell nuclear reactors to korea but.. then his conscience got the better of him and now he cleans up toxic industrial waste from movie sets in toronto where they film such things as "due south" and that thomas the tank engine movie.. comforting, no?

sj>> <<Ah, you misunderstand me. See, I don’t want specific information about any of YOU (CR dwellers) having sex. I mean, that’s disgusting. So I wasn’t singling out you. Or I was, but maybe you get the point. I don’t want specifics (unless we’re talking about Winterwolf & Dreamie, in which case I want detailed notes).>> indeed i did misunderstand you. if its because you KNOW me that you dont want to hear it, then thats fine and i shall refrain in the future. it was just meant as a joke but if it was offensive, then i won't do it :) <<My secret is out>> oh, i knew it all along ;) <<How is that hypocritical? I talk about sex, sure. I don’t care if YOU talk about sex, either, or really anyone in here. But I prefer that no one talks about themselves having sex, because, well, I’ll be honest, I really don’t want those mental images in my head.>> well.. to be honest in return, it is not ME thats responsible for what YOUR guttermind does with any given information.. but yeah yeah i get your point, yes yes, wont do it again and all that.. :P <<Well, I do have a problem with subtlety and self-control>> yeah yeah, i know. me too sometimes, as with just about everyone. ill work on it if you do.. ;)

dph>> <<Let me guess. The homework assignment was to create food that rats would love to eat>> no.. which is a shame, because that would have actually required me to *USE* my brain and maybe even *gasp* LEARN something.. could it be?

anyway, in our school newspaper, along with the traditional sex survey (the contents of which i should probably not repeat in here..) there was an editorial. it pretty much sums up my view of "higher education" and it goes as follows:

Today's forecast calls for naked running girls

To the Editor:

I just sat through a two hour lecture addressing the history of books.

Not the history of literature and not the significance of the history of books in our society. I learned about the history of books as a commodity in Chapters bookstores.

To make the situation worse, at the end of class I received a grade on a group presentation. I didn't do very well – the seminar was 'informative and well-researched, but their was an apparent lack of group collaboration.'

Let's stand back and look at this entire situation.

First, I wasted two hours of my life this morning listening to the gentle trickle of four thousand dollars being flushed down the drain.

My visions of high culture and education have been squashed by my inability to co-operate during arts and crafts period. Please, whatever you do, don't send me to the principal's office.

After wasting uncountable hours on a presentation in which I learned nothing and sitting through two hours of a step-by-step Dr. Suess lecture, I feel compelled to do something drastic.

I need to salvage the juices of my vitality that are being sucked dry by this mindless curriculum.

So, if you're on campus today and you see a girl running through the snow naked, screaming Ani DiFranco lyrics at the top of her lungs, don't mind her – she's just trying to bank up on happiness and beauty in life so she can walk into her next lecture and still feel alive.

Trish Feehely

Media, Information and Technoculture/Comparative Literature and Civilizations II

no, i didnt write it.. but i *could* have... i feel pretty much the same. after i visit gunjacks university in two weeks, ill decide if its higher education in general that bites, or if i just happened to have lucked out by choosing MY school. (cant *WAIT* to debate his bible teacher.. heheh..)

oh.. and i have an exam tomorrow.. guess i should check what time..
...
...
..........
heh.. its at 7-9 pm tomorrow. hehehe.. guess where *I*m gonna be?? at WORK!!!! thats RIGHT kiddies!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!! not enough time to change my work schedule and contact my boss.. so.. guess im skippin THAT exam! BWA HA HA!!! im so baaad.. *blinks and looks around* hey whaaat? its not like im actually *registered* in the class :P NEENER!!!!
whats that? do i hear the sound of my fathers bank account going down the toilet??? *doubles over laughing*
this couldnt get *AAAANY* better, could it?
;)
love,
lain
the Great White North
Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:15:55 PM
IP: 64.228.206.10

Hmm, today was Valentine's Day. I didn't even know it until Mara pointed it out to me in an IM. Was that today or yesterday? I'm really tired.

A friend of mine is home from college, and I invited him over. He couldn't come because it was Valentine's Day, and he and his siblings were planning something special for their mother. At which point I told him: "Valentine's Day is not for hanging out with your mother, it's for spending time with the person you are currently f-cking!".

And that's my anecdote for the day.

GSIDE> <<Um, what's a while? More than two years here, and you only have my word that that picture is me>> Hmm, well if I think of any theories, I'll present them.

JOSH> <<She was much better off with Seth Green>> But Seth Green left her, and the show. Where did he go? No one knows. Not to greener pasteurs, that's obvious. <<Quite frankly, people could give two shits about what their godparents think of them>> I have godparents. And you know what, I'm almost 21, and I haven't seen them in 20 years!!! The whole notion of godparents is ludicrous. <<LOL! I'm giving up...nothing>> I gave up nothing also. <<Great site for G2k3! I love the blue garg.>> Glad you like her. Dreamie drew it, but the original design was Lynati's and Mara helped out with it also. Hmm, do we reveal her name yet, or not? <<Is that a WET t-shirt contest?>> Depends on who would volunteer to participate in it. I of course decide who is elligible and who is not. <<SJ!>> But if SJ is really you, and you're really an actor I hired to portray Josh, and we're all manifestations of Niamhgold... hmmm. Okay, someone help out with this one. Oh yeah, I'm a clone of Aaron also. Any more theories on making sense of this one?

MOONCAT> <<Just curious, but which people in these fictions do you know? Because there is a difference about discussing fictions and discussing real life people.>> I think he misunderstood you. But basically, we're all still creeped out by Doug Elder and his imaginary girlfriend. A little less than a year ago, he was making posts about great sex with "Kit" in the back of a pick-up ::Shudders::. But hey, feel free to promote your fics here all you want. <<Would anyone be interested in starting an Alternate Gargoyles Saga? Starting from the Journey, reworking season three as well as creating a new original continuity with an up to R rating?>> I can't cause I'm working on TGS already, as well as other projects. But if you get this going, I wish you luck. And hey, do some NC-17 stuff also ;)

DPH> <<Is there any other expense (other than the standard bribes) that I have overlooked>> Yeah, you'll want to by an Early Bird Admission to Gathering 2003. If we get the bid that is.

GB> <<in some ways I see you having a similar smart-ass streak to rival SJ and Imzadi.>> In *just* some ways? <> It's going to be fun.

WINTERWOLF> <<'ll send you and Greg the full size picture tomorrow>> Cool!

SPACEBABIE> Sorry to hear about your cat. Hope the operation goes well.

NIAMHGOLD> <<The only remotely good-looking guy is Greg>> YES!!! <<and because of his car he's got quite the hot girlfrined.>> Damn, I thought you were talking about me ;)
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:14:18 PM
IP: 216.179.3.204

I'm gonna try to post, since I haven't in a little while. Looks like I missed some interesting arguments. I'm gonna be really, really, brief today, since I have an exam and homework due tomorrow, and I spent 5 hours I didn't have up at the pistol range. To top it all off, I shot the hostage in the head three times.

Shadowrider>> My condolences on the death of your grandfather.

Spacebabie>> Good luck to your cat with the surgery.

Hope to make another post tomorrow.
Yooper
MI
Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:06:31 PM
IP: 141.219.84.191

** Niamhgold enters **

Trick or treat! Yes, I know you all have candy. I'm not so much interested in anything _but_ the candy ;) Chocolates preferred, but I'll also take those Necco heart-thingies, too, and maybe some Nerds and swedish fish and twizzlers and...okay, so I just want candy ;)

Three out of my four roommates are down with this flu, so now I don't feel so bad. Didn't stop the sick two from going out, but it's thankfully kept the flowers away which would only have made me sneeze. The good thing about art school is that each class is only one day a week, so I've only missed one class in being out for three days. Not bad if I say so myself ;)

And, of course, my brother got dumped by his girlfriend today and ended up coming home with three more suitors and five boxes of chocolates ;) Of course, being sort of crushed, I heard he just sat in front of the tv and ate all the boxes of chocolates within five minutes.

Siryn: <Although I found a GREAT/Perfect Unicorn horn for Siryn...so now I'm torn! (Sata (easy to get the materials), Asrial (my fav tgs character), Siryn (my character, and I really wanted to redo my shabby attempt. :>)> Hmmm...well, try out several, take pics of them all, then see what you'd like best. If anything, you'd win the prize for most tries ;)

FS: <Yeah. But I like working with Legos, so that helped> All this talk about legos makes me want to dig up my brother's old set. <Huh? I saved them> Sorry, that's what I meant. <And now I have a new project for Poser!> Hehe ;) <Got any wireframes of the gargoyles?> No, but I plan to eventually. That's more Jay's field. I'm discovering that I'm more of a lighting/texture map person, myself. <but if not, I have AutoCAD 2000> Agh, I _still_ haven't played with that yet.

Susej: <I've considered doing that favor for my roommate, but its just not worth my effort> Just doesn't wake up, does he? <Install windows. Oh, you already did that> Har har. One OS... <HANDS OFF THE FLEET!> Bwahahahahaha! <Um, I don't think so> Really now? <Its bad enough you don't have confidence, you've got to have a negative outlook too?> The only remotely good-looking guy is Greg, and because of his car he's got quite the hot girlfrined. <For that, we have palm pilots 8-)> My eyes, they burn, they burn!!!!!!!!! <Kinky. Would that be better or worse than a cucumber?> Depends on the girth and the woman, I guess. <Can't. Need the money for that trip over break> Although in light of recent events, you're reconsidering. <Want the lead position?> How much does it pay? "Oh, Doloris!! It's DOLORIS!" <When have you ever been involved in such activities? ;-)> Not to the fullest extent, I'd imagine...

Okay, folks, I'm more exhausted than I figured. Adios.
Niamhgold
Thursday, February 14, 2002 09:32:57 PM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Well haven't posted for while. I'm anxiously awaiting my computer. A macintosh. . . why? Because Macintoshes are the best computers in the WORLD!!!!!! . . . . *twitches* anyway, Apple is taking their sweet time with it and its been bugging me all week that it hasn't come in.

Happy Valentines day to all you happy couples. =) . . . . . I'm single so I'll be over here moping in torment as you kiss eachother in the hallways. *sigh* I'm am in constant need for love. Must get it out of my head! MUST MUST MUST!

Anyway I've become clogged with homework so i'm really sluggish. I do that a lot. i hate homework. Oh well at least AP english is very lax with deadlines.

Let's see here. Umm weekly annoucenments. . . . ummm Here's a small blurb.....

*****WARNING STUPID BLURB*************
Save the pluto "new Horizons" mission that NASA has put on hold because of budget. Pluto is slowly slipping away from the sun and needs to be explored.
*******************END BLURB**************

BTW did I mention I'm a solar system/astrology freak?!?!? Well if I didn't then . . . . I am a solarsystem/astrology freak.

Well I'm going to go on livining my life. Bye!

SargeAbernathy - [SargeMM@aol.com]
Barre, Vermont
Thursday, February 14, 2002 08:16:31 PM
IP: 205.188.195.24

SPACEBABIE - Sorry to hear about your cat. My heart (and my prayers) go out to you.

My favorite book on Norse mythology is the d'Aulaires' "Norse Gods and Giants", which I first read as a boy; I still have it, as well. It was the work that first got me really familiar with the Norse myths.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 14, 2002 07:38:54 PM
IP: 168.191.109.142

SJ> I knwo all your comments are generally with cybical and smartass remarks. I agre with you on what I know about Campbell. Sounds like an arroagnt scientific version of Ian Paisley. I prefer Hamilton as that was what my dear departed Cousin Rose gave me for my thirteenth brithday. I recall abnotehr book about teh Norse gods si good. It was my grandfatehr's and I think it's now 90+ years old.

I also like teh Cato comment. Kind of surprising for aman who lived before Christiainity to say that.

That's all for now. Happy Valentine's Day. BTW, some of my responses to you were a weak attenmpt at SJ smartass remarks.
Green Baron
A reformer is often right about what is worng, but often wrong about what is right, GK Chesterton
Thursday, February 14, 2002 05:06:18 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Applying to law school SUCKS. So much paperwork to wade through. I swear, a dozen redwoods and maybe a rainforest or two were probably razed to make all of the pulp I’ve gone through this week. Forms, forms, and more forms. Blecch, I hate it.

I wish I had more time to make a post, but this one will be fairly quick.

Oscar Nominations: These were insane. I suppose I’ll have to write up a more complete rant on my exact feelings on the nominations, but I’ll be brief and just say this: Will Smith should eat a bullet (.com), LOTR should win an Oscar (compared to the rest of the crap in best movie category) but won’t, and if Sean Penn wins for playing a retard, than I wish death by genital herpes upon the Academy voters.

The Olympics: Here’s something you won’t often see me say – I feel bad for the Canadians. They should have won the figure skating medals (I didn’t see them perform, of course, because that would be *gay*, but I’ve heard that they were robbed). Leave it to the French to once again screw things up!

Skippy: <<Joseph Campbell, the author of Power of Myth, I assume.>> Correct. The problem I have with Campbell is that he seems to believe that Science will be the great destroyer of all myth / religion, to which I laugh long and hard.
Eh, I like Bulfinch better anyway.

Lain: <<okay, i know im not an admin anymore but.. since when did YOU become one? if you want to ASK me to do or not do something, thats PERFECTLY fine and i will respect what you want.. but dont assume you have the right to tell me what to do or not do thanksverymuch. i already have a father to do that for me.>> Ah, you misunderstand me. See, I don’t want specific information about any of YOU (CR dwellers) having sex. I mean, that’s disgusting. So I wasn’t singling out you. Or I was, but maybe you get the point. I don’t want specifics (unless we’re talking about Winterwolf & Dreamie, in which case I want detailed notes). <<youre one of those ones who never reads a word i *actually* say, arent you?>> My secret is out. <<aside from the fact that it was posted by sevarius "yamsacks and clams" jr... the man who includes some reference to sex.. like george lucas' daughter giving blowjobs to n'sync.. in just about every post he makes... mmmm.. i love the smell of hypocricy in the morning..:P)>> How is that hypocritical? I talk about sex, sure. I don’t care if YOU talk about sex, either, or really anyone in here. But I prefer that no one talks about themselves having sex, because, well, I’ll be honest, I really don’t want those mental images in my head. I’m sorry, if you want to blame someone, blame Doug, for damaging me so much with his talk of screwing his imaginary girlfriend. <<my point to sj *was* that if he wants to make a request for someone not to do something, would he mind doing it in a slightly different fashion. the old "its not what you say, its how you say it" thing>> Well, I do have a problem with subtlety and self-control. As you’ll see if you read a little further.

Oh, but while you did bring that up, let me through out an apology to someone who will no doubt not accept it or want it (and understandably so, cause I was an ass about it all), but to Metaldemon: I’m sorry about that thing I did (you know the one, I don’t want to be specific because it was privately done). Really. I didn’t mean for it to have the impact it did. You need to realize that just about everything that comes out of my mind is cynical and smartass, and not really serious at all. That’s not an excuse, just an explanation.

Mooncat: <<Ooo... if we can talk smutty like that, here, then I wanna promote my adult fan fics! I'd do it in a very tasteful manner. Can I? Can I? huh? *^_^* I won't use any dirty words, honest!>> Please do! I can add you to the list of people to ridicule. Hee hee, it’s funny, because it’s true.

Christine: <<LOL, my only worry is that you'll start promoting your fics, people will talk about them,>> Too late. I’ve been become aware of them. The Great Eye of Mordor has opened. Niagra Falls! Sloooooowly I turn….<<and all of a sudden _I'll_ be the one getting lambasted by The Other Gang of Idiots (not to be confused with The Usual Gang of Idiots) when I didn't have a thing to do with it. :P>> Well, I try to keep your smut categorized differently from other people’s smut, but sometimes even I can make an honest mistake.

And I always thought you called us “Prudes”. I’m really not as down with the lingo as I should be.

Hello again, Galvatron. Remember me?

“There is no comfort without pain. Thus we define our salvation through suffering.”
---Cato

Sevarius "Eros" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 14, 2002 04:57:41 PM
IP: 66.44.91.235

Galvatron: <When does Timedancer come out?>
Were sorry. The story you are trying to reach is not available at this time.
Please, disconnect and try your query again in about 3 months.
Fire Storm Automated Service
Thursday, February 14, 2002 04:34:10 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

galvatron>> <<When does Timedancer come out?>> sometime that is soon but not yet.
lain
Thursday, February 14, 2002 04:32:12 PM
IP: 64.228.206.10

When does Timedancer come out?
Galvatron
Thursday, February 14, 2002 04:27:45 PM
IP: 63.155.240.142

Green Baron: <Istanbul>
Not Constantinople?

DPH: <You got it all wrong: Man 1 and Man 2 have motorized wheel-chairs; Man 3 is normal; Man 4 is on crutches.>
Put man 4 on the lap of man 2!
<Is there any other expense (other than the standard bribes) that I have overlooked?>
Well, if you specified Round Trip, it is return trip too.
Figure $30 per trip for transport to and from the gathering and Airport.
If there will be things you will want to buy, figure another $100 at least.
And bring at LEAST an additional $100, just because things never go the way you expect.

LM: <Hey, at least you don't act on those desires/fantasies>
Well... um... no comment. ;)

Imzadi: <Der. As if we needed the bible to tell us that>
True. I remember an equation that even proved it in here!
<At work!? Don't you work in computer repair?>
Well, my DEPARTMENT has no good looking women in it, BUT I work in a fishbowl (the term everyone has for the office. Glass walls.)
My departments office is on the floor with the sales phone staff. MOST of the people there are under 30, and a good percentage of them are female. And alot are hot.
Then there's the women in accounts payable and Marketing... *shudder*
<To get away from the farmer>
And to generate extra power to jump start the tractor!
<That would mean that Brooklyn's already had Demona too...and so had Broadway...ewwww...>
And Lex, and Bronx, and Hudson...
<Yes, the bitten Apple that is Apple's logo is a reference to the apple of knowledge.>
So the Apple computer was the reason we were all kicked out of Eden?
<Is that a WET t-shirt contest?>
Should be!

Niamhgold: <Just to clear things up: I don't like the Matrix; other SUVs in general are fine, as long as the right people are driving them>
I would ask what it is, but unfortunately no one can be told what the Matrix is. ;)

Gside: <And hey, we got a tentacle demon, to boot>
Yeah, but she is American.
<Or the ruining of such?>
Yes. True.
<Geek rule: it can always be more powerfull>
Yes. Like my soon to be made 100hp push mower to mow the 20 square feet of lawn I have.
<Problems with noise. Don't have to convert (it's a DSP problem, and it's acutally the second part of my first lab)>
For the example of base-4, couldn't you just have 3 thresh hold markers? If it is at least 1v, it's 4, >= .75v = 3, >= .5 = 2, etc? Yeah, noise MAY be a problem, but just ignore it.
At the worst, it may work for non-magnetic media, but I think it may work for magnetic media too.
Of course, I am not in CompSci, so I could be wrong.

Winterwolf: <you can just click on my name>
I click and click and click, but nothing happens! ;)
Fire Storm
Thursday, February 14, 2002 04:24:06 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

**Winterwolf enters**

Happy Valentine's Day! So far I've given Dreamie chocolates, two cards and a bunch of other mushy stuff. Flowers and dinner are coming up later tonight. ^_^

Spacebabie> <Spooky> Eep! A sewing needle! I hope Spooky has a successful surgery and recovers quickly.

Josh> <Great site for G2k3! I love the blue garg.> Thanks. I like how it looks so far, plus the page isn't so heavy you have to wait hours on a dial-up. Of course Dreamie did the blue gargoyle. I just resided the picture smaller to a usable size, made it transparent and finally sliced it up. <Did you know if you put a little hat on a snowball it can last a long time in hell? ...> Quiet you! ;P

Mara> <Winterwolf and Dreamie> And JEB. He's working with me too. :) <Dinner on me and my mate next Con> Woo hoo! Thanks! BTW - I'll send you and Greg the full size picture tomorrow. After this post I'll be happily all tied up the rest of today. ;P

Siryn> < Do you think Dreamie would let me know how she made those asweom wings at 2000?> Probably. I'll ask her for you. Stay Tuned and don't listen to Josh. ;D

Oh for Jan, Niamhgold, and anyone else curious the web page is located at http://www.cs.albany.edu/~davanzo/gathering2003/ or you can just click on my name. This is a first draft for G2k3.

Well I'm off. Bye Bye!

**Winterwolf leaves with a large grin on his face**

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Thursday, February 14, 2002 04:11:09 PM
IP: 172.180.147.5

Today is a good day. Tommorrow I shall be in Istanbul, enjoying the beauty of such a lovely and ancient city. Granted, I wish I was tehre longer and woudl eb able to go to Nicea and so many other parts of my faith's history, but taht cna be for anoteh rtime. Maybe it si more fitting I see Nicea combined with a trip to the Holy Land. Too abd, I cannot see areas liek Ur or such, as they are run by a corrupt warlord. I ahve heard about Baghdad being extremely inexpensive. The downside is if Hussein is remoevd and Iraq is freed, I bet prices may go up in Baghdad as peoples' lives improve. Still, Istanbul is a city that spans over two thousand years from its origin as Byzantium a port city in the newer ancient world (ie less than three thousand years old).

Skippy> I think I've heard of Joseph Campbell. Well, regardless of Evolution being based on fact or not, it is a theory and not scientific doctrine. The only Creationist view I ascribe to is that god created the Universe. It doesn't matter if it evolved, was craeted in a micro-managing way (persoanlly I don't believe God micro-manages, but that is only a personal belief and not official canon law), or there was a Big Bang started by God.

Evolution may prove to be true, but I think tehre are people who believe in Evolution rather blindly to appear intelligent and are really no better than the guy in that link. I am not a scientist,s o I really try to avoid areas I am not an expert in, like lingusists should not appear to be political gurus.

Shinigami> The Magnificat is a great prayer too:

My soul doth magnify the Lord.

Shadowrider> I apologize for not speaking earlier. I am sorry to hear about your grandfather. My garndparents are all dead, though my mother's parents would be happy with the traditional Catholicism I embrace (especially when my mother embraced a more modern brand). Sometimes you can't make a funeral. You'll ahve to ask yourself about how great your ambition is. If it is too great, you may want to skip the whole family thing, as a lot of ambition and family do not mix well.

Greg X> <<Yeah, it's why I was originally cast out so long agooooo... and I'm saying way too much ;)>> You mause me, and in some ways I see you having a similar smart-ass streak to rival SJ and Imzadi. I look forward to seeing what you and Mara have planned for the Gathering. Please makie it in mid-August as I will have just PCSed from Germany and will be able to attend ;)

Speaking of JEB, he is probably some secret source fo power that lurks the CR awaiting to amke us all bow down to him and make us all Jebbittes :)

Jan> It is sad what happened. The way your describe it, yoru town sounds like a modern day Mayberry. I hoep you don't mind me visiting every so often if I get assigned to Ft Leonardwood.

<<Your parents knew when you were capable of making certain decisions.>> I wonder about that. I think my motehr took a while. Silly old heathen.

<> Well, I can undertand why the King James Bible is so used. I have read passages of it and the literature is beautiful. I imagine it is the oldest Protestant Bible in circulation.

<<so you claim. This aside, it still doesn’t say anything about a purgatory anywhere else except in the catholic’s version of the bible.>> I will look into taht. I reagrd the line about nothing unclean entering the Kingdom of Heaven, but I iamgine we ahve different takes on that, though teh diea of a man like Stalin repenting before death and instantly going to Heaven does sound hedonistic to me. I recall soemthing in Revelations alluding to Purgatory but I'll recheck it. I admit I need to know more about the Holy Bible and read it more. A perfect thing to start during Lent.

<<once again… why do you ask for Mary to pray for you? She was a human. A great woman, deeply devoted Christian, etc.>> So woudl you not want me to pray for you. Do you not pray for Zach and Anna? I agree she is human and in no way divine on her own, but I need all the prayer I can get and I feel a certain level of comfort from her I could never receive from my own mother.

<<He wasn’t your typical “human” though. He was without sin and he was perfect. I have my doubts that his idea of “human things” was the same as what you suggested.>> Now this is something we can definitely agree on.

<> All history interests me, but that is purely personal. Surprisingly the pertinent nose to the grindstone stuff that I probably need to learn most is what interests me least. It seems me at odds with my roomate who is all common sense mixd with littel book smarts and a whoel lot of pride. He loevs all things contemporary and thinks I should abandon my old-fashioned nature. Personally I think such people are destined for jobs that are vital to running the machinery of life and should be converted to soylent green when they can no longer work.

<<no, the biggest scandal is how the Catholic church covered up all of the cases that were reported and nothing was done to stop the abuses or the priest was just transferred to a different parish.>> I agree with you there. So many of this issue disgusts me. They violate their celibabcy vow, the trust of the altar boys (maybe that is what happened to Jack Chick) and committ sexual depravity. I expect changes to be made soon. Thsi stuff is being exposed perhaps for the wrong reasons, but it is being exposed and the Church will eliminate this blight. I think all Seminaries should be screeneed to catch these kinds of perverts, befopre they can be ordained.

<<The ONLY one who is “qualified” and approved by God to assist us in our prayers is the Holy Spirit.>> Exclusively? I want to know that passage and do some reasearch.

<> I just know you are passionate in nature. To me, passion equals anger.
<<You do seem to have your panties in a wad, though. O.o >> I think we really misinterpret the others' action when all we see is text. MY passions are much too extingusihed for me to get too angry,a nd I try to make certain I only show it on purpose.

I am gald you never used the foolish and rather narrow-minded theory that celibacy drives a priest to pedophilia. I find that carries very little water and not even Steve Largent follows that.

Patrick Toman> <<What I've never been able to understand, though, is why the legal authorities in this country don't seriously crack down on the problem.>> I suspect the epidemic is not big enough. Yes, whenever a priest is accused of pedocphilia the media jumps on it and if we weren't more civilized, I bet crosses would be burned on the yards of Catholic Churches in the aftermath. I suspect that the actual pedophilai cases are not as big and probably only about 80% are true. Of course, when there is a crackdown, priests, teachers, social workers, counselors, ministers, and parents should all be brought up and tried (keep in mind they are innocent until proven guilty). I wonder how many the numebrs of all of thses figures represents. It is a ghastly crime, though with so many crimes being committed, the resources are stretched thin. Maybe we should have all the trials back to back, since the ACLU will be defending all of the allleged molesters.

<< I suppose if you want to interpret my disagreement with your beliefs about praying to saints as "disdain," that's also an opinion you have the right to have. I just don't see it as a necessity, that's all. Why involve a middleman when you can just go straight to the top? That'a all I'm saying. I don't think that's disdain... just a difference of opinion.>> Well, I rescind my opinion of disdain. I agre that it isn't a necessity, but is not forbidden either. I will probably have to reasearch my own canon law to understand it more. I regret how ignorant I actually am about teh Catholci faith. I may know enough to be consdiered something of a scholar, but I really have so much more to learn and embrace about my faith.

Gside> <<We need to get them to teach our guys to preach.>> Well, actually a few of our priests are converts from fundamentalist faiths, so we already have some instructors. If more Catholci priests were assigned to be military chaplains, it woudl help since a) teh Military needs a lot more Catholic chaplains,a nd b) the military chaplains give the best homilies I've heard and all have a great sense of humor, though I generally find the military chaplains in all faiths to be the top of the cloth so to speak.

<<Oh don't have such an inflated view of yourself. They aren't YOUR children. Quite frankly, people could give two shits about what their godparents think of them.>> I was referring to my grandchildren, not my godson,a nd yes godparenst are not thought of that much as it has become a token position in so many families. My godfatehr took me to Switzerland for three weeks and I plan on taking Littel Tommy on a few vacations with me and he'll be the ring bearer at my wedding. I want to mean a lot to my godson.

<<Guilty of ALL. And proud of it.>> From you, I expect no less. Too bad, Hell has all its computers on MS-DOS ;)

<> It may defy your sense of reason, but it works.

<<Not all are attractive...or single.>> BUt I'm the Green Baron and who can resist the Green Baron :)

Spacebabie> <<Okay but he still had to go to the bathroom and still got tummy aches.>> That reminds me of a priest talking about whether or not Jesus had body odor.

DPH> <<As I understand it, the Septuagint were removed from the Bible because they were NOT 100% true. denounced All scripture is inerrant.>> But from who's decision? My friedn Keith said the same thing.

<<Wrong. Read the last chapter of Revelations. Adding (or taking away) is wrong.>> There is speculation about whetehr or not that just refers to the Book Of REvelation, especially as teh Bibel was assembled a godo two centuries after Revealtion was written, but that could be a valid prophecy in any event. I never claimed anything was adding to the Bible or taken from the Scared Scriptures. I just don't beleive that the Sacred Scriptures are the end of the line, either. A lot happened between 110 and 2002.

Sola Scriptura was first accepted by the Arians, back in the really early days of the Church.

Christine> <<In other fun news, I got to splint the cute firefighter at my CERT class last night ... twice! ; ) >> I bet you can't wait for the CPR portion ;)

Now I am off as I head for Istanbul and arrive in only a few more hours (like 14).

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Thursday, February 14, 2002 03:08:32 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Wahoo! The books arrived! Due to various (bleep)-ups, we had no copies of Silversilk and RadCon this weekend. But putting in a rush order, against all odds, resulted in 10 copies waiting for me when I got home from work this morning. Whew!

In other fun news, I got to splint the cute firefighter at my CERT class last night ... twice! ; )

But as if to make up for it, work was more pain-in-the-butt than usual. Half the house up, caught one guy watching graphic porn on a cable channel the facilty is supposedly not signed up for, and everybody wanting to socialize.

Mooncat > LOL, my only worry is that you'll start promoting your fics, people will talk about them, and all of a sudden _I'll_ be the one getting lambasted by The Other Gang of Idiots (not to be confused with The Usual Gang of Idiots) when I didn't have a thing to do with it. :P

Avalon Mists update > just a reminder, the deadline for voting and submitting is fast approaching. Feb 22, Friday (not 23 as it says on the site; I can't read a calendar, evidently). Don't forget the Challenge -- Harry Potter / Gargoyles crossover. Had a couple of pics come in (not counting Becca's <g>) so far, hoping for more! And stories too!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, February 14, 2002 01:01:45 PM
IP: 64.24.214.55

Okay, before heading out, I just had a thought. Would anyone be interested in starting an Alternate Gargoyles Saga? Starting from the Journey, reworking season three as well as creating a new original continuity with an up to R rating?

I'm thinking just a small group of 4 or 5 writers, working together to create a new virtual season going in a different direction than TGS. -- like Brooklyn doesn't Time Dance, or at least not anytime soon, -- If anyone is interested, let me know. This would be a low key project, with working with a skeleton story arch for each season, and aiming for maybe an episode per month.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat - [Mooncat@kscable.com]
Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:45:13 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Hi Spacebabie,

Mucho sympathy for poor Spooky. What a rotten valentine to get. Hope your kitty comes out of this okay.

Well, I just got my hair cut. From waist length (when it's wet) to shoulder length. YIKES!!! Wow, I can't believe how light my head feels now. Or how odd it feels to run my hand through my hair, and run out of hair >^@@^< Sure will be easier to shampoo now.

Okay, out for my daily run. later people.
Mooncat
Mooncat
Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:28:48 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

I've decided to attempt to take up the daily habit of . . . reading my local newspaper online. The only damn problem is it takes so long to load the web page. Damn, my local school Superintendent resigned. Why do I care? I knew him when he was a high school and middle school principal and my dad built his house.

David G - <<today was theoretically the earliest day it could get here, and I'm impatient>: I know that feeling.> So do I waiting for my new PC and then waiting for the software to arrive.

**GATHERING Question**
Ok, I have a preliminary estimates on the cost for me to go to the Gathering. According to expedia.com, it will cost me about $350 to travel from Little Rock National AirPort to Richmond, Virginia's Airport. I am confused if that includes my return trip. I have not factored in the cost of traveling from the airport to the hotel and back. Next, $150 should cover the cost of my hotel stay, if I get a single roommate and I stay through Sunday night. An average of $8.00 per meal for 9 meals should cover me for food expenses, right? I have no idea about the local cost of food. Plus $45 for attending the Gathering. That brings my running total to $617. Is there any other expense (other than the standard bribes) that I have overlooked?
**END GATHERING Question**

Coma-Man - <The page still says, DELETED DUE TO REAL LIFE ISUE at TIME DANCER.> The word "deleted" does not appear on the page. I think you are looking for the word "delayed", but means something completely different.

::looks around the room smiling::

Imzadi - <I had my interview with GE. Unfortunately, the guy interviewing me was a product lead in NukE, so any questions I asked were answered with info that wasn't the least bit useful to me. It was cool, though, and the interview went well. I got free stuff just for applying ;-) > Cool way to keep you away from the Gathering. <Anyway, I skipped my ethics lecture to have lunch> When making out a schedule, you should always leave time for lunch.

I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. Yesterday, some guy tried to subscribe to a yahoo group that I moderate. The email address seemed familiar, but I couldn't put my finger on it and I looked through my saved messages and couldn't find that email address anywhere. I checked my email this morning that the email address had a failure delivery and I remembered where I saw that email address before: the person tried to subscribe to the same list before, but the email address was invalid. In case you are wondering, the invalid email address was perig1964@yahoo.com.

I wonder if anybody can guess the slowest free email service on the 'net within 3 guesses. Here's a hint: it's been a lot slower than normal.

Lain <the rat ate my homework. no.. honest! he really did>>: And your assignment was...?> Let me guess. The homework assignment was to create food that rats would love to eat.

Jan - <I’m not sure if I accept the “once in grace, always in grace” belief.> I know of one approach that is almost completely philosphical (?) in approach and another that more biblically based. I would rather stick to my favorite argument for once saved-always saved. Suppose you could lose your salvation. If you did, you should know it right away, correct? You shouldn't discover it the next day after reflection or upon conversation with someone who says you lost your salvation because of something you did.

Spacebabie - <OTTFFSSE_ What is the next letter in this sequence?> N.

Imzadi - <Welcome to lala land, where money is irrelevant.> Yes, I am a nit-picker for little things like that.

Shadowrider - <For TGS...well, we all would love to have an answer for it, but experience taught us not to ask if we
care for our lives.> That is very true, especially if one looks up this CR for archives for the few weeks immediately proceeding the change in TGS's status.

Green Baron - As I understand it, the Septuagint were removed from the Bible because they were NOT 100% true. denounced All scripture is inerrant. <Beisdes, the notion of Bible Alone or Sola Scriptura has no justification in the bible itself, either.> Wrong. Read the last chapter of Revelations. Adding (or taking away) is wrong.

DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:27:32 PM
IP: 204.94.193.60

Well I hope everyone is having a better Valentine's day than me. Why? Cause I had to get Spooky to the vet caused she swallowed one of my sewing needles. You couldn't tell she swallowed it cause she ha been acting fine, but it showed up in the X-ray so she is having some surgery.

RIDDLE
OTTFFSSE_
What is the next letter in this sequence?
Niahmgold>>> Get well soon.

Jan<<>>Okay but he still had to go to the bathroom and still got tummy aches.

Gside<<<It's not quite specific. According to Cambridge, "an occasion when a group of people behave in a wild uncontrolled way, esp. involving sexual activity." >>>I still say it’s more than a fourway<<<That's one very happy guy.>>>Figured as much.

Josh<<<For me, it was Tuesday>>>Well I hope you had a good Tuesday<<<Well, he's still president.>>>The Horse’s ass is. The Jack Ass lost the election.<<<Been there, done that. I was a counselor at a ranch camp, remember? ;-)>>>Was it still warm?<<<Yeah well you're an English major. So you get no respect from me.>>>Ah but this major shall help my writing skills so I can pen the perfect lil naughty fic.<<<You could still be 400 lbs. That doesn't mean anything. I'd need a picture or something.>>>I’m 135 at a height of 5’6” that’s a reasonable weight.<<<Then its my friend's house.>>> Can I come over?<<<What "vibe"?>>>The I’m driving an evil yuppy car vibe.<<<Fine! I changed it. >>>I was just trying to save you from making an ass of yourself.<<<So how did you know it was her?>>>She said “Hi I’m Lady Mystic” Besides it was on her name tag.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, USA
Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:56:18 AM
IP: 65.57.80.191

The Coma-Man: A series shall start Monday.
Not necessarly NEXT Monday, but some Monday in the future.

Maybe.

But they are STILL working on it. They haven't quit.
Give them time.
Fire Storm
Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:27:46 AM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Just wanted to ask, when the new seasons will be up. The page still says, DELETED DUE TO REAL LIFE ISUE at TIME DANCER. So, anny closer announcments?

...I am the Coma-Man...
...I'm hunting Bears...
The Coma-Man
The Midway
Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:39:48 AM
IP: 217.87.16.108

Opps, wrong picture! Disregard the Titania pic below!

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:20:30 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Josh <<That is what the adult CR is for. Why don't you go there to talk about your fics? >>

Oh, I do. All the time *^_^*.

<<Not that I mind talking about sex, its talking about particular people that I KNOW can be a little weird.>>

Just curious, but which people in these fictions do you know? Because there is a difference about discussing fictions and discussing real life people.

<<I'm just curious why you need two venues to promote your fics (or even one at all), when people do scan the GFW.>>

Well, a) there can never be too much promotion, b) I like talking about fan fics, and hope to get clued in to some good ones to read. and c) scanning the archive is a laborious chore when you aren't familiar with the hundreds of authors there and have to meticulously go through every fic (or at least load it up and scan the intro) to see if it's worth reading. There is no SEARCH by topic/theme or main characters, so it's really, really hard to look for something specific (say any fics featuring Demona and Macbeth together) and d) why do we need three or more CRs to discuss Gargoyles in, or any at all, since the show off the air? Because some of us like to talk about them. And some of us like to talk about the fan fics relating to them. Heck we talk loads of stuff here completely unrelated to Gargoyles, I don't know why an actual Gargoyles related topic would be so weird.

<<You're gonna be one of those old ladies with 50 cats who smells funny, huh?>> Well, actually I smell like lavender and freesia, because that's my current scent theme. *^_~* Gotta love Bath and Body Works! 50 cats? Only if I win the lottery. Cats are expensive. My studs and queens cost me 15 hundred apiece, and reflooring my brand new house another 12 thou. (I went from full carpet to a lovely wood look formica) Upkeep and basic medical cost me maybe a couple thousand a year. *mooncat looks at her poor empty wallet* sigh... I live on ramen while my babies feast on Science Diet. sigh...

Speaking of which, I gotta run to the pet store for more SD.

later
MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:19:38 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

It's here, it's here, it's here!!!

Actually, it's been here for about 14 hours now. I just didn't feel like posting last night. It's sitting on my bartop charging up the battery. Now I just need to strip off the OS and put on Windows XP Pro, ditch MS Works and put on Office and Frontpage, and I'll be ready to go.

Oh yeah, and I need to put on my Profantasy products and buy a USB mouse. I'm not about to try mapping with a touchpad.

Oh, and destroy AOL. If I could have bought the computer without the AOL account at all, I would have. As it is I'm never going to activate it. For now I'm going to use my brother's Prodigy account. Eventually we'll have broadband again.

The coolest thing is that I can bring Cowboy Bebop to work with me and watch it at lunch. :)

See ya'll later.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Thursday, February 14, 2002 09:07:53 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

A moment of silence for one Waylan Jennings, who died yesterday at 64 from diabetes-related illness.

An outlaw of american entertainment is no more...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, February 14, 2002 03:27:14 AM
IP: 65.35.135.128

...
Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL
Thursday, February 14, 2002 03:24:35 AM
IP: 65.35.135.128

Not a bad one, as days go. I had my interview with GE. Unfortunately, the guy interviewing me was a product lead in NukE, so any questions I asked were answered with info that wasn't the least bit useful to me. It was cool, though, and the interview went well. I got free stuff just for applying ;-)

The interviewer went through my resume with me, asked me to expand on the bulletpoints that I've scrunched onto a single page PDF. I did so, and I think I really got across that my skills lie in engineering, but I'll try anything if it interests me. He was particuarly interested in the work I did with the configurator software at my dad's company. Apparently all of GE is undergoing a similar "operation" to incorporate similar software. He's gonna give my name to a bunch of departments, and it really looks like I'll be getting calls from several different parts of GE. This is pretty sweet. Apparently, I'm useful.

The only catch is that they don't have any dorms in San Jose, where they're located. This is a problem because the commute from Berkeley to San Jose sucks. They do give a $400/month apartment stipend which is independent of pay, which I suppose I could use toward gas in my car for the trip...

Let's talk about getting my car up here and what's involved in that. Well, first, my dad would have to sign the car over to me, because its still in his name. That means I have to pay income tax on it 8-). Why? Because I can't change the registration to Berkeley and get a parking permit up here without actually OWNING the car (well, I could lie and say my dad's dead like my roommate did last year, but I'm a bad liar). So its a big ol' hassle.

So I really need a job that I can either take BART to, is in LA, or has corporate-sponsored dorms, like Apple.

Anyway, I skipped my ethics lecture to have lunch (is that an unethical decision? does anyone care?), and met up with my advisor (finally) to talk about his Matlab scripts. I tried to run them last night in both MacOS and Windows, and neither worked. It's pretty messed up. I brought in my iBook and we looked at it, and we think its a problem with the emulation layer or the matlab install. Not sure which. But I'm gonna keep futzing with it until I can get it to work. My structures lab afterward kicked ass, and I'm nearly finished with it, which is always nice.

And now, the moment you've all been sitting at the edge of your seat for...replies!

Lain: <<the rat ate my homework. no.. honest! he really did>>: And your assignment was...? <<why doesnt willow have a JOB.. heck, shes been living at buffys house for FREE for HOW long? and buffys in debt? MAKE THE FREELOADERS PAAAAAY!>>: Welcome to lala land, where money is irrelevant. <<you might have noticed that i *didnt* call you a hypocrite at all>>: No, you were referring to SJ. But it strongly implied that it was directed at me as well. <<who the heck said THAT and why did i miss it?>>: That's pretty much what you said, but I expanded a bit to make my point. <<Christ, it’s like complaining that the chick didn’t swallow" and "because they give Lucas’ kid a moist spot down where the bathing suit covers">> mmmm right. no images there at aaaaall>>: Hey rocket scientist, those were UNCONNECT IMAGES. Nothing there about Lucas's kid (who you don't know) giving oral to Nsuckit. Again, not quite the same as the images you gave us. <<now THAT was a cool piece of info of which i was not aware. thanks>>: No problem. When I found out, I think my response was "that's nice".

Spacebabie: <>: For me, it was Tuesday. <<in the case of some people it's the year of the horse's ass and or/jackass>>: Well, he's still president. <<Jesus was human>>: Actually, I believe the point is that he WASN'T human. <<Next you can tell them you play with fertilizer>>: Been there, done that. I was a counselor at a ranch camp, remember? ;-) <<Neener I have 115 minutes of class>>: Yeah well you're an English major. So you get no respect from me. <<Ha! I have a perfect hourglass body>>: You could still be 400 lbs. That doesn't mean anything. I'd need a picture or something. <<Well I was gonna vote for Sisko>>: Sadly, he's dead. <<but what if its three females then one guys?>>: Then its my friend's house. <<Oh I think BMW’s look good but I don’t like their vibe>>: What "vibe"? <<It was WASHOUT who said that. Dead Meat was already dead>>: Fine! I changed it. <<See Josh even Niahmgold hates them>>: Who says she has taste? <<Well you were wearing a costume>>: So how did you know it was her?

Revel: <<You know it's a good day when you can get a class full of history students to turn and give you dirty or disturbed looks>>: That's easy: be an engineering student. <>: Yup. That was from Apple's early days, when Steve Jobs was obsessed with being a pirate. He'd walk through Apple and ask the employees if they were pirates, and they'd respond with "ARGH!" or they'd be fired. He's still obsessed with pirates, but it doesnt' quite fit into the new corporate image. <<Bimbos make the world go round>>: Bimbo power! And here I thought BO power was a good idea. There's MANY more bimbos than there are engineers.

Mooncat: <<the opening for her and Tara to hook up again. Nice>>: She was much better off with Seth Green. <<She is not meant for ordinary guys>>: She'll have to sleep with me instead. <<Then we should be able to discuss some of the more risque fan fics in the GFW archive>>: That is what the adult CR is for. Why don't you go there to talk about your fics? Not that I mind talking about sex, its talking about particular people that I KNOW can be a little weird. I'm just curious why you need two venues to promote your fics (or even one at all), when people do scan the GFW. <<I've always had a soft spot for Dante's Inferno>>: Truly one of histories finest stories. <<Wheee... I love baby kittens!!! They are so gorgeous>>: You're gonna be one of those old ladies with 50 cats who smells funny, huh?

The Wizard: <>: Be careful, you're on thin ice... ;-) <<which is going to put a dent in my trick or treating tomorrow>>: Someone is bitter...

Green Baron: <<I have certain expectation for my children and if he had something to do with promoting an abortion, he has failed them. There is also the fact that teh chidl woudl be my grandson as well, and I would be very upset if my grandchildren were mistreated>>: Oh don't have such an inflated view of yourself. They aren't YOUR children. Quite frankly, people could give two shits about what their godparents think of them. <<but they are competition for you>>: Believe me, you are glad that I am not the top of the heap. I'm good, but I'm not the best, and we'd all be screwed if I was. <<Eventually, though the child coudl have done evil, selfish things>>: How would it know? It's living with wolves. <<God knew human nature all too well, but He had to give us at least a chance>>: That's a logical hole big enough for me to build a bridge through. <>: No, you wouldn't, because you'd be in BLISS. That's the idea. <>: CT was a girl?! <>: He's a stooge. <<The Seven Deadly Sins are Greed, Gluttoney, Sloth, Lust, Anger, Envy, and Pride>>: Guilty of ALL. And proud of it. <<look what happens when angels sin>>: PARTY! <<It brings me closer to God and generally amkes me a betetr person so I ain't going to condemn it as some substitute for Jesus>>: I fail to see how repeating a bunch of words 153 times will make you a better person. <<though I do enjoy the thought of marrying most of the women in the CR at times>>: Not all are attractive...or single.

Shinigami: <<She holds a gorgeous array of roses that had been delievered a day early, from her mate Aaron>>: Oh sure just rub it in. <<I'm giving up MODERATION for Lent>>: LOL! I'm giving up...nothing. <<You get to keep your soul>>: Today.

Winterwolf: Great site for G2k3! I love the blue garg.

Gathering 2003 staff: Is that a WET t-shirt contest?

Shadowrider: <>: That's okay, I forget it myself. <<we have a lot to learn from nature>>: Not if you're a civil engineer. <<It's all experience, and you will become a stronger person thanks to that>>: Nah, I just have a hotshot in the tech industry who has to kiss MY ass. <<the young (and beautiful) lady is getting more and more explicit every day>>: We should find her a male.

Greg X: <<Dude, Meecrob tastes worse than shit>>: You pick bad Thai places. <<besides, if it offends Cartman, than it's Got to be bad>>: That is so true. <<but you are actually an actor I hired to portray Josh>>: I am not! Or...am I? <<see what happens when you come to a Gathering, and all the theories end?>>: I still suspect he is really a cat. <<who'e never been seen by anyone in the fandom, and has been around for a while?>>: SJ!

Jan: <<You do seem to have your panties in a wad>>: Green Baron wears panties!? <<she beat them with a cane and broke all of their legs>>: And I thought my friends here had a f*cked up families. <<a man’s dream come true?>>: Depends on the man. Personally, I wouldn't want to have to focus my attentions on three women at once. I can only focus on pleasing one woman at a time. <<that wouldn’t stop an offspring from asking you for some money>>: As long as they aren't legally entitled to it, they can ask me till their lips bleed. <<or gives you gas *nods* which could be conquering in itself>>: Helps me conquer the room. Now if only I could expand its powers. <<We’re not talking the cream of the crop here, you know?>>: If they were hot and sexy, they'd be porn stars in LA, not crooks in BF, AR. <<but I’m not wearing any underwear.” *gag spit* Nasty>>: Aren't you glad you have those images in your head? <>: You should charge it for every one.

Patrick: <<why the legal authorities in this country don't seriously crack down on the problem>>: They're busy molesting interns.

Gside: <<Since you got bouncies>>: Seriously. <<Actually, I think he meant UN*X>>: did not. <<that's about the only time I can get my omlette>>: You'd have to wake up early though. F*ck the omlette. <<But then infection can be nasty too>>: True. But not any more deadly than from a regular sword. <<With what?>>: Um... *CENSORED* <<Do not doubt the anger of those who have had connections removed>>: Yeah I know what you mean, I work tech support for an ISP. <>: No, I really do. <<but what does it use to keep programs from interfering with each others critical areas?>>: I don't ask such questions 8-) I dont care how it works, as long as it does. Unless I need to use it to argue against windows geeks. <<Maybe not in real life, but in porn>>: NO. <<Then why have an intermediary sheep?>>: To get the programmers moving. <<Should've been earlyish>>: And here I thought it was a new language. <<Dribble random solder across random connections of the motherboard>>: Change the hardware config and install XP. <<*bounces*>>: Mmm>>: LOL! <<Geek rule: it can always be more powerfull>>: Unless you've reached the theoretical limit. <<But you can't socket amulets. Wait, that's DII. Yeah, yeah, bad joke>>: I got it!

Alright, crashing.

Pyrex Pickle Blowfish
- Topper Harley, Hot Shots!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, February 14, 2002 02:24:09 AM
IP: 64.170.152.83

Siryn> <<Since when was I ooglable material?>>: Since you got bouncies.

Spacebabie> <<So a fourway is a maximum after four it becomes an orgy>>: It's not quite specific. According to Cambridge, "an occasion when a group of people behave in a wild uncontrolled way, esp. involving sexual activity."

Fire Storm> <<Like it stops people from asking to see sex scenes with Jordan from Exploitation Now>>: And hey, we got a tentacle demon, to boot.
<<Again, I say huh?>>: Actually, I think he meant UN*X. See http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/u/unx.html You even get a religious comment there, too.

Me> <<a decend noise buffer>>: That should have been decent. There's nothing too special about going from 1 to 0, that 0 to 1 is easier.

Imzadi> <<Weaklings. 2>>: But the dining hall closes at two, and that's about the only time I can get my omlette. Fresh made to order, too.
<<I'd rather not>>: It's fun to watch the cucumbers.
<<So is a flaming sword any more deadly than a non-flaming sword?>>: Well, it'd cauterize the wound, so it probably would be less likely to heal if it was not instantly deadly. But then infection can be nasty too.
<<But I still want to shoot her between the eyes>>: With what?
<<I'll never eat roast beef again>>: Corned beef all the way? On rye with mustard from the Stage?
<<Is that even possible?>>: Do not doubt the anger of those who have had connections removed.
<<What are you gonna do with $5*10^6 worth of M&M's?>>: I don't think you want to know that.
<<OS X>>: Right, but what does it use to keep programs from interfering with each others critical areas?
<<Having to take that sounds almost as embarassing as having to take viagra>>: But I'm sure it would make for many happy men (as it would also increase appetite and whatnot).
<<Chicks shouldn't have d*cks>>: Maybe not in real life, but in porn...
<<Imagine how rich I could get if I turned every programming company into a power plant>>: Then why have an intermediary sheep?
<<How would that work?>>: Don't know, which is why I asked. But you may not need negative numbers, just that positives increase more slowly, and swich between negative and positive.
<<If I had to deal with maybe when I wrote a program, I'd shit a brick>>: Exactly.
<<Earlish?>>: Should've been earlyish.

Niamhgold> <<I'm wondering how else I can screw up a computer now>>: Easy. Dribble random solder across random connections of the motherboard.
<<no, can't say that I have>>: What you do is go to her trophy, and angle the camera at the back of her head while it is under her hair.
<<And kiwis...well, those damn birds are the ugliest things on the planet>>: But they make up for it with Miss Kiwi.
<<Beat him up, successfully. He probably will then>>: Nah, true fear is not physical.
<<Something about putting horns in their laps>>: But I've already got one there.
<<It's what I used to defeat the wurm that was guarding the Ygdrasill>>: What'd you do with Mimir's head?

Siryn> <<*bounces*>>: Mmm...

Fire Storm> <<More wars have been fought because of lunch!>>: Or the ruining of such?
<>: Geek rule: it can always be more powerfull.
<<Why can't a computer store data at different magnetic levels?>>: Problems with noise. Don't have to convert (it's a DSP problem, and it's acutally the second part of my first lab).

Gunjack> <<Let's see if our hero is any good at breaking fingers...>>: Well, was he better ow worse than Rorschach?
<<Somehow, I don't think this was what Douglas Adams had in mind when he told us to pack a towel...>>: Well, there is a bit when the Guide building gets kidnapped (if I recall) about the various uses and modifications hitchhikers have made of their towels.

Imzadi> <<Would that be better or worse than a cucumber?>>: Worse, I'd think. Extreme pointyness would probably be uncomfortable.

Spacebabie> <<but what if its three females then one guys?>>: That's one very happy guy.

Green Baron> <>: But you can't socket amulets. Wait, that's DII. Yeah, yeah, bad joke.
<<Baptists and Protestants have a strongs ense of Community that I really wish Catholics had>>: We need to get them to teach our guys to preach.
<<but they are competition for you>>: They're MIT engineers. They are very special.

Greg> <<who'e never been seen by anyone in the fandom, and has been around for a while?>>: Um, what's a while? More than two years here, and you only have my word that that picture is me.

And for the heck of it, the new mp3 is I Like Chinese by Monty Python.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:39:54 PM
IP: 198.151.130.133

GB: I suppose if you want to interpret my disagreement with your beliefs about praying to saints as "disdain," that's also an opinion you have the right to have. I just don't see it as a necessity, that's all. Why involve a middleman when you can just go straight to the top? That'a all I'm saying. I don't think that's disdain... just a difference of opinion.

Jan: >> <> no, the biggest scandal is how the Catholic church covered up all of the cases that were reported and nothing was done to stop the abuses or the priest was just transferred to a different parish. << - Hear, hear. This has got to be the biggest "dirty little secret" of the Catholic church. What I've never been able to understand, though, is why the legal authorities in this country don't seriously crack down on the problem.

"'Hey! Don't make me have to come down there!' - God" -- seen on a billboard along the highway.
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:31:48 PM
IP: 66.72.202.148

GB> <> not enough to make anyone wonder if any or all of the charges against priests for sexual molestation is false.
<<The KJV is not the only Protestant Bible and there is not a specifically Catholci Bible. Catholcis can use Jerusalem Bibles or New American Bibles. There are a few we can use.>> I used the KJV as a comparison because it’s most widely used and known in the Protestant world. The use of “catholic bible” was a generalization. The Catholics have included books in their version that are not included in the Protestant versions. I’m pretty sure you knew what I meant. You still didn’t say if Purgatory was mentioned anywhere else in the bible except for the version that Catholics use.
I don’t need to learn the history of the Catholic Church nor do I have any desire to. It does not pertain to me nor does it interest me. *shrugs*
<<but were part fo the Old Testament only rejected by Luther because they conflicted with his agenda,>> so you claim. This aside, it still doesn’t say anything about a purgatory anywhere else except in the catholic’s version of the bible.
<<Pray for us sinners>> once again… why do you ask for Mary to pray for you? She was a human. A great woman, deeply devoted Christian, etc. but she was not deemed worthy enough to have her assist us in our prayers. The ONLY one who is “qualified” and approved by God to assist us in our prayers is the Holy Spirit.
<> no, the biggest scandal is how the Catholic church covered up all of the cases that were reported and nothing was done to stop the abuses or the priest was just transferred to a different parish.
<<Well, you need to watch that. Anger is a sin>> I didn’t say I was angry… I’m not.
You do seem to have your panties in a wad, though. O.o

Shadowrider> I understand what you are experiencing over the loss of your grandfather. I had a grandmother like that. I didn’t attend her funeral and I don’t even know where she’s buried. I haven’t lost any sleep over it. She was a cold and cruel woman who only thought of herself and her needs… when her oldest son died – she didn’t shed a tear… until there was an audience for her to perform in front of at the funeral home. One of her grandsons came to see her before leaving for overseas military duty – she asked him who he was – no, she was not senile or forgetful; she just didn’t care enough about her own grandchildren to know who they were. She was so mean that one evening the dogs were barking in her backyard (hunting dogs) and she beat them with a cane and broke all of their legs. She was only my grandmother because she was biological.
I hope that you are catching up on your sleep!

Spacebabie> <> He wasn’t your typical “human” though. He was without sin and he was perfect. I have my doubts that his idea of “human things” was the same as what you suggested.
<<but what if its three females then one guys?>> a man’s dream come true? ;)

Josh> <<All I ever learned about child support was that I'd better not get a girl pregnant because some kid could come up to me in 20 years and ask for cash.>> naw, if you were never aware of any rug rats – you don’t have to pay any back child support. But, that wouldn’t stop an offspring from asking you for some money ;)
<<When is that age? 13? 12? 17?>> depends on the child and the circumstances. Your parents knew when you were capable of making certain decisions.

DPH> I’m not sure if I accept the “once in grace, always in grace” belief. I guess I would have to see more explanation and scriptures backing this up before making a decision. To be truthful, I haven’t given it much thought. If you would prefer to talk of this via email, I really would like to see the scriptures that ya’ll use to back this up and how you interpreted all of it. =)

David> wow, your new computer sounds awesome! Heh, I bought a new keyboard this weekend! *L* My old one no longer had printing on the keys and ever since I spilled Dr. Pepper on it, the keys sort of crunched. ;)

Gside> <<Food conquers all.>> or gives you gas *nods* which could be conquering in itself. ;)

SJ> <<Would you want to see THOSE people naked?>> *LOL* Actually, I think sometimes I’d rather see random naked women instead of those that are brought in for booking at 3am. *blinded* We’re not talking the cream of the crop here, you know? *shudders* I tell them to strip down to just their underwear and socks to put on the jail-wear and then I really REALLY hate hearing, “but I’m not wearing any underwear.” *gag spit* Nasty.
The last gal was filthy and the whole back of her head was matted hair. I don’t think she has brushed (or cleaned) her hair in weeks. I charged double overtime for that dress out.

Our small town is very sad. Three young men went out onto the lake at 3am Saturday morning and they found their bodies yesterday by dragging the lake. The guys were 34, 20, and 19. It was a homemade boat that apparently fell apart. The details are not yet known. One of the young men was located only 15 feet from the shoreline. He was also found with part of his coveralls down in an attempt to remove them. (they had been dressed in coveralls, coats, boots, etc because of the cold weather) The authorities are assuming that once the boat fell apart, the men had difficulty swimming in the water with such heavy clothing on plus the temperature of the water would have caused hypothermia to quickly set in. The 34 year old man had just purchased a new home for himself and his fiancée.. they signed the house papers on Thursday. The 20 year old left behind a 4-month pregnant girlfriend… in addition to many friends and family members. I attended high school with his parents. Our department’s cadaver dog was the one who located the bodies underwater. It’s amazing to know that these dogs can sniff the scent of a body – even while the body is underwater and the dog is in the boat. Dana, the K-9 officer has to take her dog away for “de-stressing” after a find. It’s very emotional for the dog to find a dead body. (common among cadaver dogs)

A meth lab blew up this week and the cooker was burned. After having his burns tended to at the ER, he’s now a resident in our jail. We are currently housing 3 murderers too.

Time for some Zach bonding.

Jan
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:01:30 PM
IP: 12.110.236.198

JOSH> <<At least no more disrespectful than normal ;-)>> Yeah, I save my really offensive comments for special occasions. Like the lyrics to "The Most Offensive Song Ever", I'm saving those for X-Mas. <> Checked, I did spell it correctly. <<What about anything stronger?>> Dude, Meecrob tastes worse than shit. besides, if it offends Cartman, than it's Got to be bad! <<No, because Greg and I have been seen in the same place at the same time>> Umm, but you are actually an actor I hired to portray Josh. Oops, let the cat out of the bag ;)... which leads me to...

TODD> Dammit, see what happens when you come to a Gathering, and all the theories end? Now we need new people to come up with conspiracy theories about since we know you're not Greg Weisman, Merlin or a Vorlon. Hmm, who'e never been seen by anyone in the fandom, and has been around for a while?

JAN> <<You are absolutely correct and I apologize for implication that only the non-believers were making such disrespectful jokes about this. It was poor wording on my part.>> Eh don't worry. Actually as one of the non-believers it should be me making those comments. I'll be sure to in the future ;)

REVEL> <<Now what I had not heard before or had not taken into account before was the deity tempting Buddah with food, water, etc... all the pleasures of the Earth so to speak. That deity's name was MARA>> Our friend Mara was named well it seems.

GB> <<Greed>> Guilty <<Gluttoney,>> Guilty <<Sloth,>> Guilty <<Lust,>> Definetly Guilty <<Anger,>> Hey, who isn't. Even God is guilty of this one. <<Envy,>> Guilty <<and Pride.>> Yeah, it's why I was originally cast out so long agooooo... and I'm saying way too much ;)

MARA> <<It fits, I will happily admit to that.>> Isn't it great to find a mythological figure that shares your name and your traits? Now if only I was named Lucifer... now I'm really saying too much. ::turns to the rest of the room:: You didn't hear that! <<Dinner on me and my mate next Con.>> Hey, I'm chipping in also. And don't forget JEB, he worked on it also. <<(Click the link to see why)>> Lovely of course, but I knew that before ;)
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 09:16:12 PM
IP: 216.179.2.205

Greetings all... Merry Ash Wednesday to those among us that observe it, and hope everyone else is in good spirits.

It's been a while since I've posted, with good reason. My shifts at work haven't been getting any shorter, but we recently hired a new opener and she's been a dream to work with... does everything without being asked to do so, and anticipates what is needed and does it before hand. What I wouldn't give to have four more people like her for opening shift...

Also, got the surprise of my life (again) since I had to attend a Management Orientation class for the past two days... learned a lot more detail about how things are run, and how to be a better motivator and coach for our crew people. At the end of the class I was informed that I am no longer a certified Area Manager. Now I'm a Floor Manager Trainee, and if I complete the requisites in four weeks, I will be a full Floor Manager, with full pay and benifits!

In short, my job life has been growing in leaps and bounds!

In other things, writing has gone slow, even though I've got a part of that novella going to post on a site soon... hopefully the feedback from it will give me enough motivation to get the rest of the novella finished for publication.

Which reminds me, kudos to all that published in the latest Sabledrake Magazine. Wonderful stuff there!

Wish I had something to contribute to the religious discussions, but I don't think my views will add much to what's been said already.

Should have more to talk about by the end of this week...so everyone stay safe and sound. Maintain and Check Six!

(P.S. - Lexy, where was that link to the Gargs DVD vote?)

Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 07:27:45 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

Hola people!

Josh:> <> Hm...I do admit I had forgotten you had that course...
<<Its not that we don't trust him, its that his work is CRAP! >> Aaah...here I wanted you. No, my friend, I cannot agree...actually, Mother Nature did such beautiful engineering works, that I dount we will ever be able to even compare with. Take the hawk: a perfect airborne predator. Wits, reflexes, structure, all finalised in making him the most dangerous creature in air. Even the dumnest of hawks does things that our best aircrafts can do only in their dreams. Then take the shark in sea: same thing. No, my friend, we have a lot to learn from nature...
<<See you here. >> Don't tempt me...it's been almost a week, and still I don't know how my finals went. I used to be proud to study at Politecnico, but now I see that it is going to hell, like everything else in this country of mine.
<<On the contrary, it doesn't sound easy at all. >> It was not. When he did it it was 1996, he was planning to cross Afghanistan but had to encircle it due to some revolt that was blowing out in those days. It was the beginning of the Taliban revolt...
<<Thankfully, I'm being paid what I deserve:Less than minimum wage. >> It's all experience, and you will become a stronger person thanks to that...;P

Niamhgold:> <<Ooh, how did I miss that about your grandfather?!? Well, my condolences...>> Thank you, my friend...don't worry, it happens to miss something while reading the CR. It is nothing, really. I think you again.
<> You are right...but, for some reason, I don't feel I really grieved him...I did it, but in a very deteched way. Who has taken it badly was my father...when my grandpa had his attack, my father was in Russia for work, and due to a storm in the zone where he was, he didn't return in time even for the funeral...I think he wanted to try and make peace with my grandfather, but he couldn't.
<<Ooh, I remember that. In fact, I still suffer from it. But it could be as simple as needing to get more exercise, and/or not eating right before you go to sleep. >> It is probably the lack of exercise...in these weeks, I couldn't attend all of my usual sessions.
<<And...other strenuous activities might help "tire" you out, too ;)>> Aww...the young (and beautiful) lady is getting more and more explicit every day...;)
<<I've gotten the flu>> Ah! Not good...well, you may take this as an excuse for doing nothing! Anyway, best wishes for a quick recovery.

Fiona:> Welcome here! For TGS...well, we all would love to have an answer for it, but experience taught us not to ask if we care for our lives...;)

See everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 06:36:11 PM
IP: 213.213.100.53

Shinigami -- Ooo... *blush* *^_^* Okay, just for you I will fill the beginning of the next Jezebel episode with Fang and Delilah. I have such plans for them. *ewg*

Wow, nice intro, I've always had a soft spot for Dante's Inferno.

Okay, I'm going for my jog. Then I'm taking pictures of my three BEAUTIFUL baby kittens who now have open eyes, ears popped out into cute triangles, and are beginning to crawl out of their basket. Wheee... I love baby kittens!!! They are so gorgeous.

later peeps
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 05:42:35 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

"Through me the way into the suffering city,
Through me the way to the eternal pain,
Through me the way that runs among the lost.
Justice urged on my high artificer;
My maker was divine authority,
The highest wisdom, and the primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things were made,
And I endure eternally.
Abandon every hope, ye who enter here."

::walks into the CR, the mark of the cross smudged on her forehead in ashes, a small ornate bindi in the center of it. The Gates of Hell, from Dante's Inferno written in marker on her upper left arm. She holds a gorgeous array of roses that had been delievered a day early, from her mate Aaron. ::

Revel::Now what I had not heard before or had not taken into account before was the deity tempting Buddah with food, water, etc... all the pleasures of the Earth so to speak. That deity's name was MARA. So I started laughing, couldn't help it. Sorry Mara, but I just found that funny.

It fits, I will happily admit to that.

Reminders of mortality have a peculiar effect on me. So, on this, Ash Wednesday, I have this to say :

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.. I'm giving up MODERATION for Lent. Now pass me my joint, my Mike's Hard Lemonade, my mate (opium in the pleasing form of a long-haired man) and get the Hell outta my way. Or join me, toke up, get sh*tfaced and engage in some decadence for "we are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us." Tremble, motherf'er... tremble.

Mardi Gras is too damn crowded, I celebrate a day late.

Fiona:: Welcome to our little room. Please deposit your sanity at the door, and leave your soul to me. Mwahahaha... just kidding. You get to keep your soul.

Green Baron::I do however consider willful ignorance a sin. Stupidity is something ebyond control as stupid people can't help it, but dumbasses and ignorant folks can learn and improve on their problems very easily.

To paraphrase Heinlein :"There is only one crime, and that is the crime of stupidity. The penalty is instantanous death, and there is no court of repeals."
Also, another good prayer to the Virgin Mary is the Magnificant (I think that's the right title), it's an invocation, and something that, in my experience, works.

Mooncat::Ooo... if we can talk smutty like that, here, then I wanna promote my adult fan fics! I'd do it in a very tasteful manner. Can I? Can I? huh? *^_^* I won't use any dirty words, honest!

Plug your fics all you want, you're an incredible writer, and definitely the best damn adult fic author who actually is posting. I'm an admin, and I say you can. Dammit. Now write more Fang/Delilah smut. Pretty please, I'll let you have a sip of my Mike's...

Dreamie and Winterwolf:: I love you, I give you many many kisses of gratitude. Dinner on me and my mate next Con. (Click the link to see why)

"No sh*t I'm a great danger to my health, why else would I kill you and jump in the grave and bury myself?"~ Eminem
Shinigami - [MCordova999@hotmail.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 04:03:07 PM
IP: 172.145.241.222

Green Baron:
<<But I’m with you; if evolution can be proven (it’s still a theory, mind you), than I believe it was God-driven. Science will NEVER disprove God (any god), and you’re a utter fool if think otherwise. Joseph Campbell can take that and shove it up his ass.>> Joseph Campbell? The founder of the Church of Christ? Science and faith both go to proving truth, just differnet levels of it. I also said I accept the theory, and it is just that. To claim a theory as fact requires a lot of arrogance, though that arrogant guy will wind up an oppressed hero, no doubt like Galileo.

Joseph Campbell, the author of Power of Myth, I assume.

Evolution is a theory that has rather resounding support by the available facts, compared to creationism.

Funny to bring up evoultion, I've been reading up on the debate of creationism vs. evolution. It turns out the majority of the largest Christian denominations accept evolution as a reality (in the context of God being the driving force behind the mechanisms) and have come to regard those that preach strident Biblical literalism of Genesis as being theologicaly unsound.

Yet these idiots who prech this treakle(such as Carl Baugh and Kent Hovnid-check my link) can somehow convince school boards with their snakeoil pitches to force the inclusion of their theolgical viewpoint into a science class where it doesn't belong.

Ultimately I don't think creationism should be mentioned in a science class because it is nothing but bad theology trying to pass itself off as junk science.
Skippy The Klingon - [<---click the link to see one amazingly stupid individual]
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 03:47:48 PM
IP: 209.245.243.66

::Green Baron arrives with ashes on hsi forehead::

As Spacebabie pointed out, today is Ash Wednesday starting Lent and I'll be posting in purple until Easter. I also have my amethyst rosary out for Lent, too.

Patrick> <<Your opinion. I certainly don't feel like I'm missing anything.>> You may not be, though you seem to ahve a disdain towards it. Basically, the prayers addressed to saints are essentially: Oh St. so and so, please help me to be a better Christian and a more worthy servant of Christ. It isn't required to even have prayers addressed to saints an dtehre are certain devotions to Christ such as the Infant of Prague and the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

DPH> <> Actuyally, a lot of your church's practices I like and the strong devotion to Jesus is good, though I do reject once saved/always saved and I find teh Baptist services I've been to as too simplistic and lacking for me, though I like the general message, plus Baptists and Protestants have a strongs ense of Community that I really wish Catholics had. I regret not being more involved with my parish when I was growing up.

Imzadi> <<What if his girlfriend had one?>> That depensd on a lot of circumstances. Did he support the idea? Was it his? Was this in the past before they met? I hope I raise a son better than to kill his responsibilities. I will raise him to wait until marriage and to take full responsibility for his actions. I have certain expectation for my children and if he had something to do with promoting an abortion, he has failed them. There is also the fact that teh chidl woudl be my grandson as well, and I would be very upset if my grandchildren were mistreated.

<> but they are competition for you.

<<Doesn't that sounda bit silly to you? If you grew up in a cave (literally) and were raised by wolves and never learned of the original sin or anything else...could you still go to heaven?>> Eventually, though the child coudl have done evil, selfish things.

Ravyn> <<Wow, seriously? Just out of curiousity, who *is* the patron saint of the Internet? I think I owe him a few thank-yous ... ;)>> St. Isidore of Seville. www.catholic.org has the information mentioned last time I checked.

Greg B.> <<Wait, wait, wait. Knowledge is original sin? KNOWLEDGE IS A SIN?! How is knowledge a bad thing? Someone please tell me this. From what I can tell, Adam and Eve live blissfully in the Garden of Eden and are stupid. They eat the apples, gain knowledge and God casts them out of the Garden. Why would God want us to be stupid? Stupidity is not a good thing. Hell, stupidity should be a sin.>> It was disobedience, not knowledge. I was not raised to believe the Craetion story was historical truth, especially since there are two of them, but raised to beleive the truth about man's rule over nature along with responsibility, plus the role of sin in the world. I do however consider willful ignorance a sin. Stupidity is something ebyond control as stupid people can't help it, but dumbasses and ignorant folks can learn and improve on their problems very easily.

<<Yeah, oh what did you think of Trey and Matt's other great work; "That's My Bush"? Apparantly they're going to work on a movie called "George W Bush and the Secret of the Glass Tiger" where Bush is a superhero fighting the Chinese>> Ironically, Bush promotes this indirectly when he wants us to not let Johnny Raghead disrupt our general life and pursuit of free-market activities like movies.

David G> God knew human nature all too well, but He had to give us at least a chance.

Mooncat> Well, if one takes to the tehory of the blissful ignorance of Eden, war would not be an issue. I rather enjoy my knowledge of godo an devil and teh imperfect society. I believe existence in soemwhere like Eden would probably make me kill myself (I woudl consdier such an existence for more than a few days to be Hell so why worry about going there) except you can't die. I suspect the semi-utopian nature of soem social democracies is the reason why they have such a high suicide rate.

Siryn> I wasn't amd, just hurt, though I do apologize for taking it as I did. I guess I was feeling a littel ebaten down.

As for Kali and Pavaratti, I was referring to the example of humanity Mary presented, not so much about Pavaratti. I really don't know a whoel lot about Hinduism though I wonder if the Rakshasa is from Hinduism.

DPH> <<wouldn't it be more efficient to pray to God directly? I mean we're all equal, right?>> Well, i don't think we are all equal and I never siad anythingw as worng with praying to God directly, but I don't think that indirect prayer to God is some horrible act of evil taht insures your damnation. Besides, its the body and blood of Christ we receive every Sunday, not of a saint.

<<BTW, can I claim the title of being in the top 5% of paranoid people in the CR? I wonder what happenned to Conspiracy Theorist.>> I miss her, too.

<<Only in utopia.>> Actually Utopia was a parody made by St. Thomas Moore and in fact the word Utopia means no place.

David G> I think God knew what would happen all along. I wouldn't even try to understand God's reasons.

SJ> <<It’s really sort of sacrilegious to me.>> Somehow I never coudl find anything sacriligeous to you, but then again it is to your faith of one.

<< I agree with this too, but it doesn’t happen that often. I saw some archbishop (or cardinal, I get confused about the titles) up in the Northeast say that he’s going to go a bit against traditional Church doctrine and report priests who have molested children. And I almost bit my tongue in half. Well, how magnanimous of this man. I’m thrilled that he’s finally consented to do something that should have ALWAYS been done.>> Changes will eb effectec, but it doesn't ahppen overnight. I wonder how many of the accustaions are trumped up, too.

<<Aren’t those Apocryphal books? I’m almost sure Tobit is.>> They are the Septuagint. Luther rejected them claiming they were Greek and not Hebrew. Odd for a man, who's anti-semitic beliefs make him one of Hitler's heroes, to want a Hebrew only Old Testament. He did it to eliminate any books counter to his beliefs. He also eliminated the Epistle of St. James, because it promoted good works, but how many people know that? He also rightfully criticized teh misrule of the dago princes, but became a lackey of the German princes.

<<Personally, I say when you’re dead, you’re dead. You either go one of two places, and all the prayers in the world ain’t gonna do much good either way once you’re gone.>> Ah, the Prophet Brendan speaks.

<<But I’m with you; if evolution can be proven (it’s still a theory, mind you), than I believe it was God-driven. Science will NEVER disprove God (any god), and you’re a utter fool if think otherwise. Joseph Campbell can take that and shove it up his ass.>> Joseph Campbell? The founder of the Church of Christ? Science and faith both go to proving truth, just differnet levels of it. I also said I accept the theory, and it is just that. To claim a theory as fact requires a lot of arrogance, though taht arrogant guy will wind up an oppressed hero, no doubt like Galileo.

<<BTW, you’re familiar with Jack Chic. What the hell is UP with that guy? Jesus, every bad thing in the world is, according to him, directly / indirectly caused by Catholicism. I read one of his tracks around Halloween (a friend showed me his website as a goof), and there was an article on there from an alleged “former vampire” who claimed that his teachings from the Catholic Church (specifically the communion) made him into a human vampire. Chic and his people are really over the top. You can’t buy that kind of insanity anywhere else!>> How about Bob Jones University? There's nothing like burning one of those heathens on a cold winter night, eitehr :)

<<Speaking as a Protestant, you call it reverence to Mary, we perceive it to be thinly veiled deification and worship. I’m sorry, I just don’t see where she merits it.>> Well, your perception does not cahnge what it is. Besides, you're not a Protestant. Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians are Protestant. Southern Baptists are double Protestants as tehy broek fof from Presbyterianism. I guess that makes you a Protestant to the thrid pweor as you seem to follow your own homemade faith.

<<For your sake, I shall refrain from speaking my mind on the Pope.>> Then why bring it up, plus the guy is a sweet old man. Knocking the Pope is like knocking Billy Graham.

The Seven Deadly Sins are Greed, Gluttoney, Sloth, Lust, Anger, Envy, and Pride. Not original sins, but largely mega categories for sins we commit. Pride si undoubtedly the worst as it appears the most harmless, but it is the only sin an angel can committ,a nd look what happens when angels sin.

Jan> <<King James version –vs- Catholic Bible) >> That is an odd comaprison. The KJV is not the only Protestant Bible and there is not a specifically Catholci Bible. Catholcis can use Jerusalem Bibles or New American Bibles. There are a few we can use.

<<Besides, purgatory is not mentioned anywhere else in the Bible _except_ in the Catholic book of Maccabees. Purgatory wouldn’t have been a controversial issue either. If there was such a place, then there’s such a place – why argue over it.? .. but, there’s not such a place since it only appears in Maccabees. I think it’s something that some catholic made up – whomever wrote the “Catholic books” in the Bible. There is no “waiting room” before judgment because there is no need for one. I think this has been created in an attempt to have financial gains and to keep the parishioners coming back to church.>> Learn a little history before you go making attacks on a faith's integrity. Purgatory has been a pratcice since the 4th century, long before the dago princes. The boosk were not conveniently created by Catholics, but were part fo the Old Testament only rejected by Luther because they conflicted with his agenda, as did the Epsitle of St. James, though at least that epistle was restored by later Protestants.

<<but there is no support in the Bible that says that they are to be use as spokespersons.>> Its not a matter of need. Devotions are a persoanl thing and soem are direct to Jesus, liek the Sacred Heart and the Infant od Prague. Beisdes, the notion of Bible Alone or Sola Scriptura has no justification in the bible itself, either.

<<How would I know what the Hail Mary is about? I have never said it before in my life>> It's a simple two verse prayer. I thought you might have seen it.

First part:

Hail Mary, Full of Grace, teh Lord is With Thee, Blessed art thou among women, an dblessed is the fruit of tehy womb Jesus. Largely paraphrased from St. Luke's Gospel.

Second Part:

Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Hardly a prayer of worship, but a little request for help and we don't ahve to pray it, but I'm going to pray about 153 of them tonight as I'm doing a full 15 mystery rosary. It brings me closer to God and generally amkes me a betetr person so I ain't going to condemn it as some substitute for Jesus.

<<It’s something that really gets my dandruff up.>> Well, you need to watch that. Anger is a sin and it isn't good for your heart, either. If youw nat to counter their argument, learn about teh Church and its history so you can have a godo argument. I'll eevn send a book to you that explains soem of our wierd little quirks if you'll accept it.

Elaine> I think the pedophilia case is probably teh biggest scandal, esepcially as it is fuel for anti-Catholci elitists in the press to fire at us. It is funny who it is uniquely American. Maybe this country itself has soem corrupting effect or teh priest are influenced by teh corrupting influence of the Great Satan. I've alwasy supported sending American born preists on missionary activity to teh third world esepcailly to cure progressives of tehri unorthodox views and to have third world priests here as they will teach true Catholicism and not some Americanized evrsion of it. Maybe that will atke place if a certain Nigerian Cardinal becoems our next Pope.

Also, the Council of Nicea that determiend what books actually composed the Bible were a part fo Catholic Tradition.

Metaldemon> Maccabees was supposedly taken out along with Wisdom, Sirach, Tobit, and Judith, because they were Greek (since the Jews were under Greek Seleucid rule at the time), but also because they conflicted with what Luther wanted to do. I recall he may have tried to take out Revelations because he found it too weird. He did removes St. James, which was New Testament, but that was restored.

Siryn> Are you certain you don't mean Limbo? If Purgatory was eliminated in Vatican II, I need to find out, as I have ben misrepresenting the Catholic faith. I guess i can get on the Vatican's website and look up Vatcian II. That will be some major reading. I recall Limbo was where non-Catholcis went after they died until teh End times tehn they got Paradise. It was more a popular unofficial tradition like Mary Magdeline being teh adultress Jesus saved form stoning (there is no official doctrine stating Mary M was that woman, more of a popular notion)

<<So I could in no way think that people calling God, Allah, or Vishnu, of Jehovah etc would be different>> I think Jehova has the bad habit of knocking on Heaven's doors at five am asking about the end of the world :)

Metaldemon> This idea came form a Pentecostal. I should hold my tongue as Lent has startd, but I suspect that he had soem influence on you not believeing in the trinity, as many of them don't, which is how so many got converted to kindling by Catholcis and Protestants and people who were cold.

Jan> Infants are baptised for that reason, but moreso for initiating them to a faith (as Protesatnts baptise their babies) and selecting godparenst hwo are also part of teh child's spiritual upbringing. Being a parenst si a tough job, and soemtimes you need soemone to help with teh spiritual end, especially one who will promise to raise the child in the faith you had him/her baptised. I take my role as godfather quite seriously and not simply as a n honor which it has too often become.

DPH> Well, if the Trinity is directly stated in the Bibel or implicitly there, it matters that it is a part of our dogma and that we believe it. I blame the Enlightenmnet for this doubt in the Trinity among some Christians.

Jan> I agree with yoiu fully about the comments said about Jesus. SJ is a general smartass, and a humanist so I expect those comments. I was surprised by Spacebabie's comment. I beleive that Jesus was a virgin when he ascended to Heaven and I think that is something we can agree on.

Spacebabie> << just wanted to point it out that Jesus was human. So he did human things.>> But he wasn't the typical sorry slob that most fo us were. He was also perfect and I persoanlly doubt he had any such desires, as lust is a sin (and I agree to being guilty of it almsot as much as greed).

Mecord> Thanks for the Comments. I don't agree with soem of your beliefs, though I do enjoy the thought of marrying most of the women in the CR at times ;)

Besides, we are both equally despised by Bob Jones and we shoudl unite against a common enemy, plsu in a war with his ilk, we have teh Witnesses in the front line :)

Good night and I have two days until I am in Istanbul.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 03:23:00 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Just to clear things up: I don't like the Matrix; other SUVs in general are fine, as long as the right people are driving them. ;)

Okay, out. I've gotten the flu, which is going to put a dent in my trick or treating tomorrow. Darnit
Niamhgold
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 02:51:43 PM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Sigh, the problem with posting only once a week is that I never have enough time to read all the posts. So this week is going to be a short post. Just some replies to people who responded last week.

Greg>> <if the Taliban were not removed, what events do you think they're athletes excell at?> Does it even snow where they come from?

Josh>> <Where are you again? > Utah. Normally the place is pretty dry, but some winters we get dumped on in the snow department. This year we got it pretty good. I blame the Olympics and all the religious people around who pray for enough snow for the Olympics. Lately it feels like Siberia around here. But today I can’t complain… well okay, I can, but at least it’s warmer than it has been in weeks.

Green Baron>> <There are probably some people who don't consider Catholics to be Christian.> I can sympathize with you there, a lot of people wouldn’t consider me to be Christian either. It’s always tough voicing something you believe strongly in. It opens up a lot of chances for people to disagree and out right call you loony. I spent two years doing just that for my beliefs, and I had people calling me Satan Worshiper and worse. It’s rough and can be a real test of faith at times, but I wouldn’t let it get you down any. To be honest I’m really interested in your beliefs, though you’ll pardon me if I say I don’t agree with them and they aren’t likely to hold any sway on my beliefs. Perhaps I just want to understand people. I enjoy listening about different religions and their customs, beliefs, and the like, and I really don’t know a whole lot about Catholics specifically, just the usual general info. So anyway, I guess my point is don't feel like you cant express what you believe because some of us are still interested i what you say.

Okay time to stop babbleing and go to class. Later!

Mecord
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 01:27:47 PM
IP: 129.123.1.63

Buffy spoilers --

Oh, I liked this episode! Finally we get to see Dawn BUSTED for all the klepto stunts she's been pulling. And getting the jacket out of a store would be easy. All she had to do is make sure that part of the jacket went over the pylons. If it was on the sleeve, she could wear it out and just lift her hand above the pylons. If it were on the bottome edge, she'd have to either go around the pylon, or have the jacket in a small package so she could lift it up at the crucial moent (instead of wearing it) -- I have friends who have worked mall jobs, and they tell me all the ways kids lift things from the shops. They saw it all the time too. This phase of Dawn's is not uncommon.

I loved Anya's reaction, that look of betrayal. Poor Anya, humanity is looking really bad to her right now. Xander getting cut up, reminding her of his mortality and her own, her demon friend showing up and taking a sword in the chest, but it's no big deal... Can we say demon-hood looking pretty good to Anya right now? And Halli's pretty pendant... What if... *^_^*

I love Halli. She's fun. And I want to know the deal between her and Spike *^_^* --

Willow making the major strides in her handling her magic addiction and the opening for her and Tara to hook up again. Nice.

I think Buffy's human friend and Spike's demon friend were hitting it off really well. Could this be a new romance? Buffy's own 'blind date' bombed big time. She is not meant for ordinary guys.

All in all, I like the episode. Yes, it was low key, but there was a lot of characterization and plot set up for stuff I think we'll see in the Sweeps episodes.

*********Buffy spoiler end*********

Okay, smutty talk in the CR. Wow, it really is getting smutty! I missed a lot of it from skipping post parts, but seeing the examples given just recently, I have to do a double take.

Ooo... if we can talk smutty like that, here, then I wanna promote my adult fan fics! I'd do it in a very tasteful manner. Can I? Can I? huh? *^_^* I won't use any dirty words, honest!

Seriously, if we can discuss stuff like woody's and wet spots... O.o eep! Then we should be able to discuss some of the more risque fan fics in the GFW archive. Wouldn't mind doing some of that. Probably be less vulger topics, in a strange way.

Well, gotta do my daily work, later.
Mooncat

Mooncat
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 01:27:31 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

You know it's a good day when you can get a class full of history students to turn and give you dirty or disturbed looks. The funny thing is the teacher didn't even notice or care.
So it's a world history class, big whoopie do, I'm a history minor so I need it and am sketching or the corner of my notes as usual. He's talking about how Buddah was sitting uder the tree for 49 days, stuff I've already heard. Now what I had not heard before or had not taken into account before was the deity tempting Buddah with food, water, etc... all the pleasures of the Earth so to speak. That deity's name was MARA. So I started laughing, couldn't help it. Sorry Mara, but I just found that funny.

Josh- I remember seeing a flag of the bitten apple with a jolly roger (skull and cross bones) super empossed on top of it, ever seen that before?

Siryn- well since I did not see any of your costumes I think you should just pick your favorite and run with it. My two biggest additions to mine are the pinted ears and the green contacts.

Christine- as my old roomie use to say, "Bimbos make the world go round, and round, and... oh no, it fell down." (Mark was the most interesting monk I had ever met."

Lexy- glad to help

Lain- well if you would feed Ishy more often he won't have to resort to eating your homework ;) *hug*

"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go."
-Indiana Jones (Ford), Raiders-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 01:22:03 PM
IP: 129.120.230.108

Happy Ash wendsday everyone.
I hope everyone had a good Chinese New Year/Mardi Gras.

In celebration we had Chinese food with Cajun blackened Catfish.

It's now year of the Horse, but in the case of some people it's the year of the horse's ass and or/jackass.

Not much happened the past few days so
Patrick<<<What Would Jesus Do (for a Klondike Bar)? - seen recently on a bumper sticker.>>> He wouldn’t have to do anything. He could make it appear out of nowhere. Then he would make dozens and use them to feed the multitude.

Jan>>> I’m sorry I even brought it up, I just wanted to point it out that Jesus was human. So he did human things.

Josh<<>>Next you can tell them you play with fertilizer.<<>> Neener I have 115 minutes of class :P<<<Apparently, my cat has a growth on his neck that could be cancerous.>>>I hope it’s not cancer and your cat gets well soon.<<<You could also be fat.>>>Ha! I have a perfect hourglass body<<<Oh I already knew that one. That's why I'm voting for Picard.>>>Well I was gonna vote for Sisko<<<Weaklings>>>:P<<<Unless its three males and one female, and then its a gang-bang.>>>but what if its three females then one guys?<<<That's not saying much. You also don't like BMW's>>>Oh I think BMW’s look good but I don’t like their vibe.<<<Alpha Velveeta Knuckle Underwear - Dead Meat, Hot Shots! >>>I watched that movie the other day. It was WASHOUT who said that. Dead Meat was already dead.

Niahmgold<<<Somehow I didn't think that you had dogs. But mutts are the best J>>>Did mention that the terrier part of Patch is a pit bull terrier the other part is also Boxer<<<My roommate loves those commercials. But, you're right, it's a decidedly useless and disgusting vehicle ;) >>>See Josh even Niahmgold hates them.

Lady Mystic<<<What did I look like in your dream?>>>Well you were wearing a costume. Long robes and a Mardi Gras mask.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, U.S.A
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 01:08:29 PM
IP: 67.25.50.122

mmm no 14 hours of sleep for me today.. sadly.
and the rat ate my homework. no.. honest! he really did!

****************BUFFY STUFF******************
from the description in the paper, i thought this ep had potential to smell really bad or be kinda good. but it didnt really do much of either. it just kinda sat there and didnt do anything.
is dawn *REALLY* bitchy lately or.. is that just me?
i want some plot furthering. i want willow to get evil or SOMEONE to get evil and not do little dinky things like get trapped in houses with whiners. (and.. how did dawn get the coat out of the store if it still had the security tag on it?)
and.. why doesnt willow have a JOB.. heck, shes been living at buffys house for FREE for HOW long? and buffys in debt? MAKE THE FREELOADERS PAAAAAY!!!!!
and.. doesnt anyone remember that buffy is supposed to be a COP? what is she doing working at the burger place?? xander is fulfilling his destiny as a carpenter person thingy.. and buffy is supposed to be a cop.. why have they forgotten this? joss dude, get with the program!
*********************END BUFFY*******************

josh>> <<but I am NEVER that descriptive, so don't you call me a hypocrite>> well.. i suppose if youd actually READ the post, you might have noticed that i *didnt* call you a hypocrite at all.. <<It's quite simple. I don't want to think about Gunjack with a hardon>> but whyever no.. er.. eeeigh.. okay maybe you have a point.. :P <<When you come in here and say "I have a raging wet stiffy and I'm running around making holes in the walls because I'm so horny">> who the heck said THAT and why did i miss it?? o.O <<Again, removed imagery. He didn't force that image into anyone's head>> "Christ, it’s like complaining that the chick didn’t swallow" and "because they give Lucas’ kid a moist spot down where the bathing suit covers">> mmmm right. no images there at aaaaall.. o.O
and.. do you really think this is worth arguing over? do we just have nothing better to talk about?.. thats kinda sad, really. i get your point. hopefully you get mine (even though it wasnt directed towards you) lets learn and move on, if thats possible. <<Yes, the bitten Apple that is Apple's logo is a reference to the apple of knowledge.>> now THAT was a cool piece of info of which i was not aware. thanks! :D

gunjack>> <> eeeeigh.. yeah, aincha glad ive got such good taste in TV to get you to watch it? huh? yeah, 24 was good. does anyone else in here watch it?

fiona>> <> youd better start dodging soon.. youre gonna get something thrown at ya ;) we dont know when its gonna start, were workin on it so hopefully soon. <<If anyone knows if there's a place where I can see all the picys for the comment room.>> there should be a linky at the top under "comment room information" that will take you to where the piccies are.. either that or on the page where you type your posts, theres a linky at the top at the far right that says "images" and you can find the piccies there.

sall fer now
love,
lain
in bed about to have a nap..
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:05:59 AM
IP: 64.228.197.210

Nice short day today. Yeah, I had to be up early, but I was done at 1230. They should all be so simple.

Already done with all my assignments for the week. That means...I get to start on next week!

Really frustrating stuff, though. Something simple on one of my assignments managed to evade me for hours, which stressed me out, and then on top of that my parents saw fit to bug me for the third time in as many days about my interview schedule. Like I don't have enough to worry about.

Maybe its just me, but I think that if something is important enough to ask about three days in a row, then its important enough to REMEMBER!

The Wizard: <<Good thing for roommates who remind me I have to get up for my Tuesday class, considering I thought it was Wednesday>>: I've considered doing that favor for my roommate, but its just not worth my effort. <<I've also started off this semester on worse notes than the last>>: Really now? <<I'm wondering how else I can screw up a computer now>>: Install windows. Oh, you already did that. <<or, if curiosity thus compels me...play with somebody else's>>: HANDS OFF THE FLEET! <<it's a decidedly useless and disgusting vehicle>>: That one or SUV's in general? <<no one here's seen me 'cept Imzadi, and, of course, he and SJ and Greg could all be manifestations of ME>>: No, because Greg and I have been seen in the same place at the same time. <<Because I'm male>>: Um, I don't think so. <<kiwis...well, those damn birds are the ugliest things on the planet>>: I think vultures are worse. <>: No, I wouldn't. Not in light of recent events. <<The first-name-basis thing just isn't working>>: We'll see. <<Never thought of it that way>>: Its bad enough you don't have confidence, you've got to have a negative outlook too? <<he's the evil twin of the evil twin>>: The enemy of my enemy is my friend...or something. <<What would be the fun of that?>>: Not fun, just generous. <<Unless I have perpetual alzheimer's>>: For that, we have palm pilots 8-) <<Beat him up, successfully. He probably will then>>: Right, because THAT can happen. <<Something about putting horns in their laps>>: Kinky. Would that be better or worse than a cucumber? <<Where are they going? Hawaii?>>: Florida <<Quit>>: Can't. Need the money for that trip over break. <<My parents are still wondering why I'm paying 25 grand to play with lipstick, glass, and computers>>: The computers I understand. The lipstick and glass escape me. <<hopefully you will take up the icon thing in the summer again...that was cool>>: I need more artwork. Want the lead position? <<If the mustangs weren't so horribly colored this year, I'd say that says sportscar>>: Even then. Its too wussy to be a sports car. <>: I got the funniest image when you said that. <<Astons aren't so bad, either>>: New SL600, all the way. <>: Frankenfurter? That sounds german to me. <<pull a Mystique>>: There's a way to get us staring. <<other strenuous activities might help "tire" you out, too ;)>>: When have you ever been involved in such activities? ;-)

Jan: <>: I did! But then, I'm disrespectful of everything. <<you pay, you get to play" when it comes to child support. We would prefer having the upper hand in this particular area and not allow him to "play">>: Ah, got it. Didn't know about that. All I ever learned about child support was that I'd better not get a girl pregnant because some kid could come up to me in 20 years and ask for cash. And I'm to greedy to give him/her any. <<We are also documenting certain behaviors of the donor's>>: That's always special. <<There was nothing offensive or suggestive in what you had posted. You had a situation/problem and you explained what it was without going into tawdry details or ineundos>>: I try. <>: When is that age? 13? 12? 17?

Siryn: <<Partner NEVER showed up...again..I have a bad feeling I'll be doing this project all by myself>>: When members of my group do that, I just rate them poorly and insist that the professor give me the grade for doing the work. <<especially since I LIKE drawing naked people!>>: Where is your work? ;-) <<nakedness can be EMBARRESSING>>: Only if you're ugly, and then only if other people TELL you you're ugly. <<THey are going to write in their biases at the time>>: Women are evil? ;-) <>: Don't you need two? <<Do you think Dreamie would let me know how she made those asweom wings at 2000?>>: Did you know if you put a little hat on a snowball it can last a long time in hell? ;-) As I recall, Dreamie not telling people how she made her wings was the subject of many 20-40 year old women bitching about her in other comment rooms across the net.

Lain: <<slept for 14 hours>>: I am SO jealous. I wish I could do that. <<woke up to a reaaaaaaally f!cked up computer>>: I hate when that happens. <<id better find a nice cardboard box for under the bridge>>: You want to go for one of those refridgerator boxes. Those have a LOT of room. For extra space, you can tack on a few extra boxes. <<it gives a hint that the fruit was not an apple, and was likely a fig>>: Fig of knowledge? That just doesn't sound as intimidating. Plus, if it weren't for the Apple of knowledge, I'd be using a dual-800 G4 Fig. <<maybe but before i agree with you, could you explain how the word "frustration" is "graphically pornographic"? or.. *any* of that post?>>: No problem. "I've got issues with this. BIG, HARD issues". "*schnorfs her* you could always handcuff ME" I'm sorry, but I am NEVER that descriptive, so don't you call me a hypocrite. <<it doesnt quite seem to qualify>>: It's quite simple. I don't want to think about Gunjack with a hardon. Or you handcuffing him. Or anything like that. I don't want to think about LM and FS together, or Doug and Kit (or doug and his hand), or any other couple, or anything like that. It's one thing to say "I had sex". There's no forced imagery there, despite the fact that most of you have seen me in real life, you can avoid picturing that if you don't want to. Even if I said "I had sex with *insert name of female CR member* and it was great", that's still not graphic. When you come in here and say "I have a raging wet stiffy and I'm running around making holes in the walls because I'm so horny"...that's forcing an image into someones head. There are lines. Fine lines, but lines nonetheless. <<like george lucas' daughter giving blowjobs to n'sync>>: Again, removed imagery. He didn't force that image into anyone's head. <>: Who says I didn't have a problem with it?

Yes, the bitten Apple that is Apple's logo is a reference to the apple of knowledge.

David G: <<today was theoretically the earliest day it could get here, and I'm impatient>>: I know that feeling. My G4 was shipped to my dad's office before it was shipped here, so I had to wait an EXTRA three days.

Lady Mystic: <<You wouldn't need to navigate through pages to view a particular image; just click on an image name to view the image and additional information>>: This might not be a bad idea for the member pages as well. <<Tell me what you think!>>: The beta page looks good, but a bit crowded when it comes to links. What if you incorporated "staff post" and regular post into the one link, since the only difference is the picture? They could be added to the list of pictures separated by a line of dashes or something. Nothing important. Maybe space the links out a bit more? Or put a few on the bottom? I'm not sure. It just felt crowded. Can you tell I spend way too much time critiquing sites? <<my father, who lives with us, is also our 'landlord.'>>: Isn't that a conflict of interest? <<What amazes you?>>: All the work you put into this site. Its amazing. <>: Good plan, hadn't thought of that. I bet my roommate could write a script that would make them appear at the write times, if you were willing to share the code for generating the pages. Shall I have him look you up? <<Which holidays get added and which get ignored?>>: We can ignore the Candian ones 8-) <>: Also a valid point. Alright, just an idea. <<What did I look like in your dream?>>: An interesting question. I never would have thought of the fact that I'd be in someone's dream if they didn't know what I looked like. I'm just not the "booming voice from the sky" type ;-) <<at least you don't act on those desires/fantasies>>: Today.

Fire Storm: <<HOLY $*17! YOUR NAKED!>>: And then she said "huh?" <<And women are the cause of all trouble>>: Der. As if we needed the bible to tell us that. <>: At work!? Don't you work in computer repair? <<MY EYES!>>: See, aren't you glad we don't talk dirty in the CR? <<More wars have been fought because of lunch!>>: Than...? <<turbo diesel just incase the sheep needs a boost>>: To get away from the farmer. <<Are her teeth sharp>>: Teeth? What teeth? ;-) <>: That would mean that Brooklyn's already had Demona too...and so had Broadway...ewwww... <<Anything that Duke Nuken did?>>: Nope, watch more Critic. <<shove a rocket up his @$$ and press fire!>>: Poor guy. <>: That is your friend. <<hopes that the check didn't get lost in the mail>>: Wouldn't be the first thing...

Gunjack: <<Buffy Sucked>>: And I missed it!? <<Somehow, I don't think this was what Douglas Adams had in mind when he told us to pack a towel>>: That sounds really bad...

Fiona: <<Any one knew when the new TGS seasons start>>: No one knows. <<If anyone knows if there's a place where I can see all the picys for the comment room>>: Try clicking on "comment room information". For if I was looking for info on a comment room, that is a place I would look.

Alright, crashing.

Alpha Velveeta Knuckle Underwear
- Dead Meat, Hot Shots!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 02:36:44 AM
IP: 64.170.152.83

Niamhgold > me step in? No, better not ... I'm staying out of this one, thanks anyway ; )

Battlebots > some big-name action tonight! Vladiator, Diesector, Toro! Hard to know who to root for! Becca now counts how many times the bot bimbo appears in a different outfit. LOL.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:01:25 AM
IP: 64.24.214.186

I stand in awe. Somehow, I don't think this was what Douglas Adams had in mind when he told us to pack a towel...
Gunjack "Gulag Swing" Valentine
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 09:27:01 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Hi peoples! I'm sorta new at this whole comment room thing, so I hope that I don't do to poorly... heh... heh... I just wanted to know if A.)Any one knew when the new TGS seasons start and B.)If anyone knows if there's a place where I can see all the picys for the comment room. If you do, please E~mail me!
Thankies, and remember Fellow-Garg-Fans, all the world's a stage! ;)
~*Fiona Seckari*~

Fiona Seckari - [fionaseckari1@aol.com]
NYC, NY, USA
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 09:13:55 PM
IP: 152.163.204.74

Buffy Sucked. 'Nuff said. Watchin' 24 now. Let's see if our hero is any good at breaking fingers...
Gunjack "Toxic Culture Shock" Valentine
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 09:09:19 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Great! So happy you guys are voting! Disney doesn't give us many chances at this! We need to take what we can, when the opprotunity presents itself!! :D
I got that link from Gargoyles News Central, incase anyone is interested in popping in there to take a look at other things:D

Lexy
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 07:48:25 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Sorry, missed these comments earlier.

Spacebabie: <>
Wow! I was in a CR member's dream! Cool! :)
What did I look like in your dream?

Jan: <<wow! Fabulous job and thanks again for all of the time, energy, effort and professionalism that you’ve put into all of the work that you do for this group of garg fans! =)>>
THANKS!!! You've made my day! :)

Josh: <<Thanks again for all the hard work you put in.>>
Thanks, too! :)

FS: <>
Hey, at least you don't act on those desires/fantasies. :)
<<Hmm... *Thinks about a few departments* ARGH! NO! MY EYES! BURN THEM! BURN THEM!>>
**LOL**
Lady Mystic
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 07:07:38 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Patrick - I saw Robby's post and was working out how it was impossible. I concede being wrong.

Fire Storm - <What's wrong with Man 4 and Man 3?> You got it all wrong: Man 1 and Man 2 have motorized wheel-chairs; Man 3 is normal; Man 4 is on crutches.

Metaldemon - <If you don't want to argue then I won't pressure you.> Sorry, but I do need to able to defend my faith. I'm pretty sure that my defense won't get me in trouble. however, I am running off my memory of a study of what Baptists believe. <G-d being made flesh doesn't necessarliy divide Him in any way.> Thankfully, you've conceded Jesus and God were the same. Matthew 27:45-47 states "Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a load voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?' Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said, 'This Man is calling for Elijah!' ". When Jesus was on the cross, he cried about God forsaking him. But if all of God was inside of Jesus, God couldn't forsake him. So at that moment, there had to be at least two parts to God. I'll have to think a bit more to prove the Holy Spirit is another part of God.

Side note: I actually believe arguing about some small things (example: who wrote the book of Hebrews) is a waste of time when they are more important things to be done.

For all those who play Free Cell, try beating game # 25602. The solution is so indirect.

Gside - <Tell that to the CompEs who now have to deal with three voltage ranges in their signals while still having a decend noise buffer, and the programmers who now have to deal with maybe.> I never worked out a follow-up plan to test that theory.

DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 06:53:22 PM
IP: 204.94.193.77

Mooncat: <Eating the apple made nakedness shameful?>
"Wow Eve! This fruit tastes... HOLY $*17! YOUR NAKED!"
<mmm... figs. I now have the munchies>
I have a half-eaten bag of dried figs that I probably won't eat.

Patrick Toman: <So according to the Bible, nakedness is supposed to be shameful>
And women are the cause of all trouble.

SJ: <Would you want to see THOSE people naked?>
I am here at work and I see alot of hot looking women and I say... No. (LM reads this! ;)
Hmm... *Thinks about a few departments*
ARGH! NO! MY EYES! BURN THEM! BURN THEM!

Gside: <A good attitude. Food conquers all>
Oh yeah. More wars have been fought because of lunch!
<A good option>
I was thinking turbo diesel just incase the sheep needs a boost of power.
<too easy to derive from binary. Unless you meant negative four>
Why can't data be stored on a hard disk in some form other than base-2? I mean, an analog tape stores MANY different variations between full on and full off. Why can't a computer store data at different magnetic levels?

Imzadi: <Not the hippies>
Lousy Hippy Commie-Nazis!
<She's here with me>
Test a theory some people have: Are her teeth sharp?
<Tech Support: Uh, ma'am, you may want to ask what your husband's been doing with your sheep. Hey, at least it isn't soot covered>
Hmm...
"My (word for naughty bits) are glowing!"
"Ah yes. That would be because your husband is using our new lambskin condom made from atomic sheep!"
<are referred to as "nix's>
Ok. Makes sense now.
<Where's the fun in that?>
No idea. Need more women!
Elisa: "I don't care if it IS the tradition to share your mate with the clan, Goliath, I am NOT doing!" Elisa protested as Brooklyn and Broadway drag Elisa off to a bedroom.
<That's an image I didn't need and will never forgive you for>
Good! ;)
<That's a good word, yes. But is it better than "sex"?>
For best results, you combine the words.
<Or how about "duketastrophe"?>
Anything that Duke Nukem did?

Well, because of that, I have thought of my video for the gathering music video contest!
<He's dead. Minor inconvenience>
Then leave him!
Or shove a rocket up his @$$ and press fire!
<Perhaps, but my money is on stupidity>
Or the fact that the computer equipment at my work, aside from a few exceptions, completely sucks!
<Well its about time someone did>
Surprised it took this long.

Niamhgold: <hey, you work in Photoshop forever and that's what I get>
Yeah. But I like working with Legos, so that helped.
<Did you capture the wireframes?>
Huh? I saved them. To check them out to see if they looked right I threw a map on them. Didn't save any of those renders, but I still have the meshes saved.
And now I have a new project for Poser!
Got any wireframes of the gargoyles?
<It's also good to see those so I can see how different people build their models>
Cross-sections. 3D Studio 4 had this REALLY nice way of making stuff by using only the cross sections. I THINK Max may have the same feature, but if not, I have AutoCAD 2000.

Siryn: <Updated Registration List Later Tonight!!! (INCLUDING some people who haven't payed! *tut tut tut* ;)>
*FS hopes that the check didn't get lost in the mail*
Fire Storm
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 06:31:00 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Correction for previous post: The week of February 1st to February 9th was added to the 2002 CR archive.

I have felt very stressed lately due to family matters and finances. Both are *very* closely related since my father, who lives with us, is also our 'landlord.'

REPLIES:

Fleur: <>
Go here for eligibility guidelines: http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/guidelines.html If you think there's a slim chance you might qualify then send me your profile. :) I only check the archives for a poster's eligibility if I receive a submission. (Saves me time and work.) If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me. :)
<<Pleased? I'm amazed.>>
What amazes you?
<>
You probably shouldn't. FS (in his Xenomorphic state) might eat it. ;) Compliments and showing appreciation now and then always help keep me going. And thanks for your *very* kind words. :)

Josh: <<Should we have some holidays on the CR Calendar? Like X-mas, Hannukah, Canadian Independence day, etc?>>
Well, I think of this every time I create new entries for the graphical calendars. I haven't added any holidays because of the added work and confusion (on my part) in keeping track of yearly date changes of each holiday (especially for those I'm not familiar with and those that aren't on the same day every year). Which holidays get added and which get ignored? I don't want the calendars to be filled with more entries of holidays than members. (Some member's names are so long I've already had to cut their name as short as possible without abbreviation.) But if the majority of the CR wants holidays added to the calendars, then I'll add the most requested ones.

Everyone: So does anyone want any holidays added to the CR member calendars? If so, which ones?

Ravyn: <<Thank you for the e-mail! I really appreciate all your help. :)>>
You're welcome! And thanks for your email, too! **hugs** :)
Lady Mystic
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 05:40:31 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

***** TGS CR INFORMATION *****

UPDATES:

The week of February 2nd to February 9th was added to the 2002 CR archive.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2002/

3 New Profiles:
- Alan Coleman Waltrip ("Ordell")
- Lady Mystic
- Mooncat

1 Revised Profile:
- dph

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/

The calendars and stats pages were updated accordingly.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/

SURVEY (NEED INPUT):

I've been thinking of revising the CR image pages to match the text colors page, including pop-up windows (a method to bypass pop-ups would be included as well). All available images would be listed on the image index page. You wouldn't need to navigate through pages to view a particular image; just click on an image name to view the image and additional information (original illustration, artist, etc). The index page would be a text list, but a page of thumbnails might exist as well. What do you think? Would you prefer I go for this new layout or keep the current image page layout? If you have any suggestions, please let me know. :)

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/images/

If I go for the new layout, any links within the CR Info section directing to a particular image will activate a pop-up window, similar to the text color links in each profile page.

TENTATIVE CR UPDATE (NEED INPUT):

The beta pages for the next CR update are online. See the pages for details. (One thing I forgot to mention in the pages is that the comment text boxes were slightly enlarged.) Tell me what you think!
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/temp/

***** END TGS CR INFORMATION *****
Lady Mystic - [lady-mystic@usa.net]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 05:30:31 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Le'see...
My new computer isn't here yet. That's not surprising, since it's supposed to arrive on Thursday, but today was theoretically the earliest day it could get here, and I'm impatient.

On the other hand, I finally found a gun to use as the base for my Sandman gas-gun. I went to Traders' Villiage (a big flea market) and found a Justifier - the gun for the Sega Genisis - for $1.99. Now I just have to figure out how to do the expanded barrel and paint the whole thing gray.

I'm about 1/4 of the way through George R.R. Martin's _A Game of Thrones_. Is it just me, or does this book drag on interminably through the lives of a bunch of largely unsympathetic characters doing largely uninteresting things all the while shying away from anything that could be remotely dramatic or exciting?

I've even pretty much figured out the whole plot (I assume). Evil Ice-Faries in the north, Firebreathing Dragons in the south. The poor, brave people in the middle have to figure out how to turn one against the other or civilization will be destroyed. Great. Can we get to that part now?

Does this series pick up dramatically somewhere around page 210? If not, I have Shadowrun tables to re-type.

David G.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 05:05:00 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

slept for 14 hours, and woke up to a reaaaaaaally f!cked up computer.. and the news that i couldt sublet fromt the person i thought i could over the summer.. which means id better find a nice cardboard box for under the bridge...

mooncat>> <<And I wonder why fig leaves too>> well.. it gives a hint that the fruit was not an apple, and was likely a fig. nowhere in the bible does it say that the "fruit" of the tree of knowledge was anything other than generic fruit. i dunno, just an idea.

josh>> <<Cuz you're a commie hippy bastard>> that too.. <<You and Gunjack had to know that was in blatant violation of the CR rules>> <<Nothing graphically pornographic and no direct links to pornographic material. In general, keep it PG-13 or tamer>> er.. maybe but before i agree with you, could you explain how the word "frustration" is "graphically pornographic"? or.. *any* of that post? o.O it doesnt quite seem to qualify.. (aside from the fact that it was posted by sevarius "yamsacks and clams" jr... the man who includes some reference to sex.. like george lucas' daughter giving blowjobs to n'sync.. in just about every post he makes... mmmm.. i love the smell of hypocricy in the morning..:P)
but at any rate, thats not really the point. my point to sj *was* that if he wants to make a request for someone not to do something, would he mind doing it in a slightly different fashion. the old "its not what you say, its how you say it" thing. maybe that sounds petty, but i think i was at least as offended by his post to me as he claims to be about my post. thats all. <<So is a flaming sword any more deadly than a non-flaming sword?>> GOD must think so..

jan>><<Actually from what I can tell, it's the believers who are being really disrespectful to Jesus.>> You are absolutely correct and I apologize for implication that only the non-believers were making such disrespectful jokes about this. It was poor wording on my part>> *blink* wooooah.. what have you done with the *REAL* jannie.. and.. how long can you STAY?! :)

thats all for now
love,
lain "dont let worry kill you - let the church help!" iwakura
the Great White North
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 03:02:35 PM
IP: 64.228.197.183

*sigh* Partner NEVER showed up...again..I have a bad feeling I'll be doing this project all by myself. -_-;;; (yay..another thing to do!)

blah..anyways, I DID win the first blitzball game in Final Fantasy X, so its not THAT bad! :D

Believing as Jesus is the Messiah
The KEY word here is GOSPEL..the GOSPEL says this..the goespels were written by followers of Jesus who believed he was the messiah. Also note that they're whole point was to encourage people to follow Jesus' teachings (which became the Christian faith). So of course they're not going to say..."well, you don't HAVE to believe Jesus is the Messiah."

See..this point has disturbed me a great deal, because as I've said before, I've had friends with MANY types of religion..and I personally could not see Jesus (A JEW I might add) condemning people for not believing. I even asked one of my priests about this, and he told me that basically we as Christians should believe Jesus died for EVERYBODY..now, whether or not they believe does not matter, but that is what he told me.

I mean..for goddness sake..Jews and Christians believe in the same GOD! We (Christians) just believe this chap called Jesus was his son and not a prophet. ;) (And yes..there are a few more beliefs and celebrations inbetween..but I'm only doing the most basic one)

Patrick and Mooncat>
Nakedness Shameful> I agree about Mooncat's comments. (especially since I LIKE drawing naked people!!!! ;D) OF course, these were conservative times (or were they! ;) Now...nakedness can be EMBARRESSING...but I'm not sure that would be the same as shameful?

I will say one thing about the bible (and this is NOT meant to offend ANYONE..this is what I believe..) I believe the bible was written by men (and 1 or two by women). Yes, supposedly 'enlightened' men/women..(which I can get into long discussions about the idea of enlightened but I won't here. ;) but still human beings. THey are going to write in their biases at the time. THey're going to write in their cultural ideals. I believe the bible to be a basis of faith, but not to be taken word for word. Hence the story/mythos of Adam and Eve, transcended through time is going to have its biases. (especially the writings of one culture, the Christians, talking about the enslavement and horrors of another, the Romans)

(again, I'm being a little too historic instead of faithful..so don't be offended..because I meant no offense! <:)

Whoa...language.

ick..I think one problem with religious debates is there is always the side of faith with the spirtual figure (aka Jesus) and the contradicting side with the historical figure. :>
(Or maybe I watch A&E and Biography too much.. O.o;;)

Niamhgold> That WOULD be cool! (*of course, she had like 7 women helping herwith bodypaint..and it took her several hours to be ready.. O.o;;;;) hehe Although I found a GREAT/Perfect Unicorn horn for Siryn...so now I'm torn! (Sata (easy to get the materials), Asrial (my fav tgs character), Siryn (my character, and I really wanted to redo my shabby attempt. :>)

Winterwolf> Do you think Dreamie would let me know how she made those asweom wings at 2000? ;D

Jan> Oh believe me I agree. Hence why my change from Catholicism to Universalism. (actually though..my parents are really great with relgiious education, my mum brought my sis and I up Catholic to give us a basis, then told us when we were old enough it was our own choice...She was really cool with the fact I was thinking about Hinduism)My mum is Catholic (but not devot) my father is Anglican but leans more towards Taoizm (yes..interesting combination..I was actually baptized in the Anglican church.) But yes, I can't believe little kids going to hell. <:) (I think there were just too many people with over imaginations..a part of my 'enlightened' people arguement. ;)

*bounces* Okay..going to go back to bf's house

PS. Updated Registration List Later Tonight!!! (INCLUDING some people who haven't payed! *tut tut tut* ;)

Siryn
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:55:31 PM
IP: 129.21.230.156

Greg> <<Actually from what I can tell, it's the believers who are being really disrespectful to Jesus.>> You are absolutely correct and I apologize for implication that only the non-believers were making such disrespectful jokes about this. It was poor wording on my part.

Josh> <<Why would she do this when she could hit him up for cash later?>> Because if "you pay, you get to play" when it comes to child support. We would prefer having the upper hand in this particular area and not allow him to "play". This sperm donor is a fool, irresponsible, and definitely not father or marriage material. I don't know how Anna will handle the situation of telling Zach about his biological father in the future - but for now, we'd prefer he and his family stay away. To our knowledge his parents are still not aware that Zach even exists. I'm sure that if they ever find out, I will receive a phone call from his mother. She has a very explosive temper (not even her own sister wants anything to do with her because of it) and we may still end up in some court battles over visitation rights of Zach. However, they will have to do the court battles here. We have the advantage of "home court" plus he has already signed away all rights to Zach. We are also documenting certain behaviors of the donor's. (putting his fist thru walls in anger, long periods of absences, drunkeness, false promises of $$ support, lack of contact, etc.)
Anna has received approval for her home loan and will hopefully be purchasing a small home for her and Zach. She is making every effort to provide them with a stable and permanent environment. i.e. she is doing all of the right things and he's doing all of the wrong things. No one here needs (or wants) any assistance from the donor.
<<Berkeley has the third highest rated philosophy department in the country. >> *chuckles* ok. I'm not suprised at this - I was just razzin' you ;)
<<to stretch the rules, like I did when I started bitching about my no-longer-pregnant ex-girlfriend. But I didn't force images into their brains.>> You are absolutely correct. There was nothing offensive or suggestive in what you had posted. You had a situation/problem and you explained what it was without going into tawdry details or ineundos.

Siryn> I absolutely agree with you on that babies/small children will automatically go to Heaven if they die at their young age. I believe that the parents are held spiritually responsible until the child reaches an age of decision or adulthood. It is a parent's responsibility to raise them to honor and worship God. There is scripture to back that up but I can't think of the exact wording right now. Also we are to do all things that honor God so the two can be applied in the way we raise our children. But for anyone to say that babies will go to hell if not immediately baptized is ridiculous. (at least to me)

Mooncat> children at the age of 4... by this age they are aware and capable of simple decision making skills. They are also capable of making right/wrong decisions that is applicable to their age group and mentality. What you have descibed are learned behaviors - their parents have allowed them to be tantrum throwers or they have been taught that it is wrong and inappropriate. Yes, they are innocent but they are not "good" by nature. Children must be taught and guided. If you leave children on their own without any supervision or guidance, they will revert to animalistic behavior.

well folks, I have the day off and I'm headed for Joplin for a day of shopping.
Jan
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 09:25:23 AM
IP: 12.110.236.151

** Niamhgold enters **

And I've lost track of the days again. Good thing for roommates who remind me I have to get up for my Tuesday class, considering I thought it was Wednesday. Maybe it's just because I'm still recovering from whatever-the-heck I've had for the past few days. I've also started off this semester on worse notes than the last; I performed a major "oops" this weekend and knocked a capacitor off of my motherboard. Not only am I lucky it didn't fry, but I'm also lucky because it was the capacitor for my PS2 port. I couldn't solder the prongs because, unfortunately, they're smooshed, but the solution was a usb keyboard. I'm wondering how else I can screw up a computer now. I've got to learn to stop playing with the hardware, or, if curiosity thus compels me...play with somebody else's ;)

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Spacebabie: <Pongo is a Dalmatian. Patch is a mutt, part Terrier I have dogs and cats> Oops, sorry ;) Somehow I didn't think that you had dogs. But mutts are the best :) <There is an SUV that I want, yes a Stupid Useless Vehicle and it's name is the Matrix> My roommate loves those commercials. But, you're right, it's a decidedly useless and disgusting vehicle ;)

FS: <Which is the one main reason I like it so much!> yeah, I do like it too, despite the difficult-to-graspness of 3d for me (hey, you work in Photoshop forever and that's what I get ;)). But it's less annoying than the default interface of Lightwave ;) Did you capture the wireframes? It's also good to see those so I can see how different people build their models.

Gside: <You seen Daisy's third eye?> Heh, no, can't say that I have :) <But Jesus had a beard> Bwhahaha! True. I mean, no one here's seen me 'cept Imzadi, and, of course, he and SJ and Greg could all be manifestations of ME. Because I'm male and just projecting. Or something silly like that. <Or you coul remain beautiful for the rest of eternity> Cinderella, 2034 AD. She ate that immortal fruit stuff. <No kumquats? What about kiwis?> Okay, you need to have bananas before you can have kumquats. And kiwis...well, those damn birds are the ugliest things on the planet ;)

Josh/Susej: Okay, I need a nickname again. I doubt you'd appreciate Daddy, so I'm using this. The first-name-basis thing just isn't working. <Those are great odds for you> Never thought of it that way. <Yeah the guy from Bloodhound Gang.> Aw, man...he's the evil twin of the evil twin ;) <I'd pay to see that.> Too bad PT Barnum isn't still around... What would be the fun of that? ;) <So you can lose? ;-)> :: sighs :: some people just won't learn. <Or, you could have real protected memory like I do.> Unless I have perpetual alzheimer's. <Mutate into a hairy monster vegetable?> Pumpkins on acid! Bananas on kiwis! Ugly kumquats with turnip growths! Oooh, boy, I'm going to have to watch the Monty Python fruit sketch! Beat him up, successfully. He probably will then. <<<Unicorns allegely only appear to virgins>>: Why?> Something about putting horns in their laps. <as I cover for the honeymooning operators> Where are they going? Hawaii? <Less than minimum wage.> Quit. LOL. My parents are still wondering why I'm paying 25 grand to play with lipstick, glass, and computers ;) <I'll stick to photoshop.> Point. And hopefully you will take up the icon thing in the summer again...that was cool ;) <A Z8 says "sports car" or maybe "shark".> If the mustangs weren't so horribly colored this year, I'd say that says sportscar. Otherwise, I go with a Lam. And Astons aren't so bad, either. ;) <Any one else who wants immortality?> Not particularly, but I'm willing to lend you all my arsenal. It's what I used to defeat the wurm that was guarding the Ygdrasill.

Winterwolf: <Well I finished working on a web page and I'm starting to feel a little tired but not enough to go to sleep just yet> Ooh, which webpage?

Ravyn: How's the internship apps coming along? <On the apartment front, tonight I think I'm going to tackle filling out the application and all for the apartment complex I'd like to get into> Good luck! Working on that now myself. Wait...what year are you in?

Greg: <What's his name; Susej?> That works to the evil twin extent...but I can't help but to want a more German sound in there. Otherwise, I get a mental picture of Tim Curry in RHPS

David G: I think someone else raised the point about Lilith. I think Christine should stop in ;)

Siryn: <I'm just not sure if I should do paint or bodysuit..> Ooh, pull a Mystique!

Shadowrider: Ooh, how did I miss that about your grandfather?!? Well, my condolences...I know you say you weren't close but it's still important to grieve anyways :) :: hugs :: Yes, I did...nice song, thanks for sharing it with me :: hugs again :: <Difficulties in sleeping these days...I am sleepy, but cannot sleep...and when I do, I seem not to *rest*. Stress, probably...> Ooh, I remember that. In fact, I still suffer from it. But it could be as simple as needing to get more exercise, and/or not eating right before you go to sleep. And...other strenuous activities might help "tire" you out, too ;)

Adios
Niamhgold
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 08:27:10 AM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Almost done with my work for the week. This is good, as I'll start doing the mactank thing on wednesday as I cover for the honeymooning operators. Therefore, my bosses won't be around, and I'll be troubleshooting without support. Thankfully, I'm being paid what I deserve:

Less than minimum wage.

I love coming home from a day of class and telling my parents that they pay for me to play in the mud. I also love having a mere 135 minutes of class. Of course, I'd rather have none, but that's only on Friday.

Apparently, my cat has a growth on his neck that could be cancerous.

Got one of those special assignments today...you know, the kind that just doesn't go away no matter how much you work on it. Took me forever, and I still don't think I've done it correctly.

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FYI for Jan and GB: Berkeley has the third highest rated philosophy department in the country. Doesn't stop us from being a bunch of hippies though.

Jan: <<Like I said... *most* of my prayers have been answered>>: Ah. <<It stipulates that no child support will be given to her by the donor; that she will be 100% responsible for all expenses>>: Why would she do this when she could hit him up for cash later? <<naw, I wanted something that does a great job>>: I don't blame you, that program is buggy as hell. I'll stick to photoshop.

Siryn: <<Why is it I've become the shcoolgirl symbol all of the sudden?>>: You brought it up! You said you had the outfit. <<which reminds me I need to start seriously working on my diet..I need to lose a few pounds before the gathering>>: You're taunting him. <<Since when was I ooglable material?>>: You're female. You do not look like you were hit by a dump truck. We are male. Most of us look like we WERE hit by a dump truck. Or like we ARE the dump truck. Ergo... <<My question is I wonder if it runs..that would really suck>>: Well then probably not. <>: If he is, then he's a bigger bastard than I am.

David G: <<Since God didn't say "Adam, thou shalt not smash thy woman over the head with a rock when she annoys you" Adam, as a total innocent, probably never thought about hitting Eve over the head with a rock>>: Oh, I bet he did. He's male. Males think about smashing EVERYTHING with a rock.

Greg X: <<What if you're Jewish?>>: You go to hell! You go to hell and you DIE! <<Me, I just made a few jokes here and there>>: At least no more disrespectful than normal ;-) <<I'm sure we can all agree that 'Meecrob' is evil, it's one of the eight words that most offends God>>: I don't think its spelled that way. What about anything stronger? What about Howard Stern's "seven dirty words"?

Metaldemon: <<G-d has a plan for Jews since they are the "Chosen race">>: Chosen to do what, exactly? <<Jewish thought makes a helluva lot more sense than Christian thought; somehow, it turns most of my favorite thinkers are Jewish>>: Despite my feelings about religion in general, I feel the same way.

Mooncat: <<He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden>>: Note to self: find garden of eden. <<more if you leave off your picture? Good to know>>: Generally, no one wants to hear anyone that much 8-) <>: Me too. Any one else who wants immortality? <<why would it be shameful for them to be naked together? This nakedness is shameful has been a bafflement for me from day one>>: I agree. Hell if mom and dad never told us that we should go around clothed, we never would have.

Spacebabie: <>: You could also be fat. <<Yes Please>>: Use your imagination! Or start reading the adult section of the GFW. <<thanks to Clinton Trekkies everywhere now knows what would happen f Captain Kirk became president>>: Oh I already knew that one. That's why I'm voting for Picard. <>: Weaklings. 2. <<So a fourway is a maximum after four it becomes an orgy>>: Unless its three males and one female, and then its a gang-bang. <<I’m not going to answer that one>>: Its okay, you don't have to be embarassed. I don't think any male in here who watches porn even occasionally will deny it 8-) <<YES! And I want every little detail>>: You'd be no fun. <<Behold the power of Cucumbers!>>: I'd rather not. <<Atleast I don’t like that Pt Cruiser>>: That's not saying much. You also don't like BMW's. <<It looks more like a SUV merged with a sports car>>: I'm sorry, but no part of that says "sports car" to me. A Z8 says "sports car" or maybe "shark". <<I’m sure Mary Magdaline got some action from it>>: We're talking about Jesus here.

Lain: <<thats cos the federal government is liberal. i knew there was a reason i voted for them>>: Cuz you're a commie hippy bastard. <<ooooor.. i could always just.. eat the rat>>: Just like in Demolition Man! <<why is childbirth painful?>>: Because you can't take it like a MAN! 8-) (before all you women jump on me, yes, I know that women have a higher pain threshold than men - it was a joke). <<i know im not an admin anymore but.. since when did YOU become one? if you want to ASK me to do or not do something, thats PERFECTLY fine and i will respect what you want.. but dont assume you have the right to tell me what to do or not do thanksverymuch. i already have a father to do that for me>>: I am in COMPLETE agreement...with SJ. You and Gunjack had to know that was in blatant violation of the CR rules. Its one thing to stretch the rules, like I did when I started bitching about my no-longer-pregnant ex-girlfriend. But I didn't force images into their brains. You did. <<youre one of those ones who never reads a word i *actually* say, arent you?>>: at some point you have to filter out the hippy-ism...and for you that's the entire post 8-) <<everyone would just die of cutsie if they didnt have a flaming sword to make them look scary>>: So is a flaming sword any more deadly than a non-flaming sword?

Shadowrider: <<considering the influence that Reynolds number has in certain...fields>>: I know I know. I took fluid dynamics 8-) <<let's say that he doesn't trust us...and, since many of us don't trust him, I suppose it is fair play>>: Its not that we don't trust him, its that his work is CRAP! <>: See you here. <<Sounds easy in saying it, yet he travelled for three weeks>>: On the contrary, it doesn't sound easy at all.

Patrick: Hats off to you, sir. I got 19 minutes about 45 different ways. <<Of course, I think #4 is going to be on his own if you add an angry pursuing baelrog into the equation>>: I think #4 is gonna be dead if that is the case. You don't have to be the fastest...just not the slowest 8-) <>: An excellent point. But I still want to shoot her between the eyes. <>: LOL. <<She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it>>: Women are always getting us in trouble. <<so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves>>: Bet they weren't very effective. <<Is PG-13 still the standard for this comment room? Some of the recent language and discussions just have me curious.>>: !@#$! Stop the !@#$ing cursing!

DPH: <<it can't be done in 17 minutes, under those given conditions>>: Apparently, you're wrong.

Fire Storm: <<EVERYONE has a problem with the EPA!>>: Not the hippies. <<What about Lilith>>: She's here with me. <<For some strange reason, my husband's d!c|< glows in the dark>>: Tech Support: Uh, ma'am, you may want to ask what your husband's been doing with your sheep. Hey, at least it isn't soot covered. <<Again, I say huh?>>: Linux, Unix, FreeBSD, Solaris, OS X, etc, are referred to as "nix's" <<They can take turns>>: Where's the fun in that? <<WHAT THE F@#$ ARE YOU DOING>>: That's an image I didn't need and will never forgive you for. <<Free>>: That's a good word, yes. But is it better than "sex"? Or how about "duketastrophe"? <<Let me fire up Poser>>: I want to see them when you're done, so I can know what ideas you've implanted in her head and I can devise ways to use them. <<why does it take man 4 10 times longer?>>: He's dead. Minor inconvenience. <<Just testing Imzadi's filtering abilities>>: Perhaps, but my money is on stupidity.

Jan: <>: Well its about time someone did.

Sevarius Jr: <<Animals and plants are f!cking morons>>: And most humans. <<Would you want to see THOSE people naked?>>: HELL NO! But the hot chicks...they could be naked and I'd be fine with that. Which reminds me of a little law I need to add when I become king... <<MANY clams look horrifying, no matter if you feminists claim it's a beautiful thing. A friggin roast beef sandwich is NOT a beautiful thing>>: Someone hasn't been getting any...besides me. And I maintain that your statement is entirely subject to opinion. It's the feminists that are the problem 8-) <<that has been your anatomy lesson for today.>>: I'll never eat roast beef again.

Gside: <<!$@# RUNet>>: Is that even possible? <<Me>>: What are you gonna do with $5*10^6 worth of M&M's? <<What do you use? Semaphores, TSL, monitors, or what?>>: OS X. <<At least they say they're working on a pill for that>>: Having to take that sounds almost as embarassing as having to take viagra. <<The remainder from division by that number>>: You'd be surprised how many different explanations I've heard for it. <<Such a pity>>: yet I still manage to get play occasionally. <<What do you have against hermaphrodite porn>>: Chicks shouldn't have d*cks. <<But a goatee is just a subset of beards>>: True. <>: Nah, I'm starting to think about powering them off BO. Imagine how rich I could get if I turned every programming company into a power plant. <<Food conquers all>>: I thought love conquers all. Better yet, alcohol conquers all. <<Unless you meant negative four>>: How would that work? <<the programmers who now have to deal with maybe>>: If I had to deal with maybe when I wrote a program, I'd shit a brick. <<Mine's got a tree/rune. Hey, maybe it's Yggdrasil>>: Maybe. Maybe its just a box. <<Earlish class tomorrow>>: Earlish?

Okay, crashing. Tired. Class early.

Yankee Doodle Floppy Disk
- Lt. Commander Block, Hot Shots!

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 02:32:21 AM
IP: 64.170.152.83

!$@# RUNet.

Imzadi> <<But who really needs that many?>>: Me.
<<Isn't that pavaroti?>>: I just call him Lucy.
<<Or, you could have real protected memory like I do>>: What do you use? Semaphores, TSL, monitors, or what?
<>: Mine learned a long time ago, though every now and then I do have to bring up an LBG clip or goatse.cx.
<<Nope>>: How about if I had put in the umlaut?
<<The amount depends on the female. Sometimes its not enough>>: At least they say they're working on a pill for that.
<<That assumes you can explain mod correctly>>: The remainder from division by that number.
<<Why?>>: Magic.
<<I'm three out of three>>: Such a pity.
<<Never!>>: I only said it was a usual occurance. Not that you would.
<<Thank god>>: What do you have against hermaphrodite porn.
<<No wonder you're so weird>>: I blame it more on my father.
<<Well...nah>>: You still mentioned it.
<<Maybe the evil one has a goatee>>: But a goatee is just a subset of beards.
<<Sheep?>>: I know you're thinking hydroelectic is the way to go, but they don't have much range away from rivers.

Fire Storm> <<Maybe they do. I am just hungry, so I don't care>>: A good attitude. Food conquers all.
<>: A good option.
<>: too easy to derive from binary. Unless you meant negative four.

David G.> <<It's just the cow logo. It offends my soul>>: Must remember not to wear my holstien bandana should we meet.

DPH> <>: Tell that to the CompEs who now have to deal with three voltage ranges in their signals while still having a decend noise buffer, and the programmers who now have to deal with maybe.

Imzadi> <<How about an apple?>>: Mine's got a tree/rune. Hey, maybe it's Yggdrasil.

I'll get to the rest tomorrow. Earlish class tomorrow.

And because the Old Testament has been in the discussion, you get the Song of Job, by Seatrain.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 01:54:15 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

<<Animals and plants don't care if you are naked, and God has seen it all before, so why shame?>>

I'll explain this to you very simply: Animals and plants are f!cking morons.

And it's shameful because....well, open a window, and look around at the humanity around you. Would you want to see THOSE people naked?

All yambags look hideous.

MANY clams look horrifying, no matter if you feminists claim it's a beautiful thing. A friggin roast beef sandwich is NOT a beautiful thing.

And that has been your anatomy lesson for today.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:28:54 AM
IP: 66.44.54.36

DPH> It's not that Jesus is a part of G-d, it's that he IS G-d. G-d being made flesh doesn't necessarliy divide Him in any way. And as far as it being implied: how can you jump from implied to explicit and make it a concrete, if not cornerstone, belief. G-d can't be a Tirnity, He has said so. Any one who does not preach the G-d of the fathers is a false prophet. Jesus never preached against the G-d of the fathers. Yet we have made the Trinity, a G-d not of the fathers, a cornerstone belief since it's implied and not explicit.
As for the Holy Spirit, that verese seems to talk about teh affects of the Holy Spirit; and I don't even see an implication to it adding a third part to G-d. Seriously. I am not accusing you of twisting the Bible in any way, so don't take it like that.
If you don't want to argue then I won't pressure you. :)
Metaldemon
Monday, February 11, 2002 11:45:21 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

JAN> Actually from what I can tell, it's the believers who are being really disrespectful to Jesus. Me, I just made a few jokes here and there.

PATRICK> If it can be said and talked about on "South Park", I'm sure it's quite alright to say in here. Thus the word 'shit' is now perfectly acceptable, especially considering that our three admins are "South Park" fans. Then again, 'shit' hasn't been said on the show since that episode so I'm not sure. Also, 'shit' is perfectly acceptable to say in PG-13 movies. Then again, I'm not an admin so I'm not qualified to answer this question. But I'm sure we can all agree that 'Meecrob' is evil, it's one of the eight words that most offends God.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, February 11, 2002 11:24:56 PM
IP: 216.179.2.158

Patrick -- Yeah, but it doesn't say *why* being naked is shameful. That's the baffling part. Here are Adam and Eve, the only two people, nothing around but animals, plants and God, and yet running around without clothes is shameful. Animals and plants don't care if you are naked, and God has seen it all before, so why shame?

And I wonder why fig leaves too. Why not some nice big elephant ear leaves, or palm leaves There are so many bigger leaves that could be used, so I never understood why chose little leaves and sew them together.

mmm... figs. I now have the munchies. I love figs and dates. Must resist urge to run to grocery story and buy figs and dates, and maybe some dried apricots, pineapple and other yummy fruits. sigh...

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Monday, February 11, 2002 11:11:15 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

I am finding it extremely offensive that Jesus is being talked about having a boner, woody, or whatever you want to call it... and then to even suggest that he and Mary M. had sexual relations is beyond. This is very inappropriate and disrespectful towards such a spiritual figure as Jesus.
Even if you are a non-believer, please respect those of us who are and do not degrade Jesus in this manner.

Thanks
Jan
Monday, February 11, 2002 11:00:40 PM
IP: 12.110.237.14

DPH > I would respectfully disagree with your assertion and point you to the arithmetic proof in my post immediately preceding yours.

Mooncat > CrzyDemona found the relevant passage for me:

* * * * *

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Genesis 3:6-7
* * * * *

So according to the Bible, nakedness is supposed to be shameful. That's not to say that by other systems of belief can't hold a different view... I was just citing where it comes from in the Judeo-Christian system.
General comment > Is PG-13 still the standard for this comment room? Some of the recent language and discussions just have me curious.
Patrick Toman
Monday, February 11, 2002 10:50:34 PM
IP: 66.72.198.0

Patrick -- Eating the apple made nakedness shameful? I don't get that. One, they were the only people, and they were mates, why would it be shameful for them to be naked together? This nakedness is shameful has been a bafflement for me from day one.

Baffled Kitty
Mooncat

"I like the girls and the money and the shame of life... "
-"Shame of Life"
Mooncat
Monday, February 11, 2002 10:06:12 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

...
Just testing Imzadi's filtering abilities.
Fire Storm
Monday, February 11, 2002 09:47:44 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

DPH: 
Ah, lovely, LOVELY theory...
<There are abuses within OSHA. They have the same problem with the EPA>
There are abuses of power within every agency.
And EVERYONE has a problem with the EPA! ;)
<Only in utopia.>
Or the Borg.

SJ: <They showed the daughter getting plowed? Wow. That’d be hot, if a) she wasn’t like, you know, 14 (she looks it even if she ain’t it)>
Like it stops people from asking to see sex scenes with Jordan from Exploitation Now
<What’s up with that baby, anyway? That kid gets abused left and right. I don’t put good odds on it surviving the rest of the season>
But it's such a cute baby!

Preach it!
<Not to sound gay, but I bet Jesus was HUGE, if you know what I mean. I figure God hooked him up>
Or, to show Jesys TRUE humility, he was hung like a hamster.

Adam, Eve, and all that: What about Lilith?
Or Caine? ;)

Christine : 12 days left until the voting on the new candidates for editor ends!>
And only 12 days for submissions!

Imzadi: <Thank goodness for the placement of punctuation and emphasis>
Definitely.
<Forget that. Nuclear powered sheep>
Farmers wife: "For some strange reason, my husband's d!c|< glows in the dark!"
<True, but those are slow to fire and slow to recharge>
Then hack it. Hey, if it was real, there would be reactors JUST to power it!
<sorry, *NIX>
Again, I say huh?
<There are only so many places to put him>
They can take turns. And that's what hands are for. Unless...
Lex: "WHAT THE F@#% ARE YOU DOING?"
<Definitely. The fact that she lacks imagination takes away a few points, but she can be taught>
She must be made impure.

I got it somewhere...
<What about integrating with other states?>
Each state makes it to the border. Any dispute, THEN the government steps in.
<The Good Word? What is the good word?>
Free

Todd Jensen: <Crazy little creativity demon for the week>
I like!

Spacebabie: <Yes Please>
Ok... Let me fire up Poser...

Robby: <There are 4 men who want to cross a bridge>
Ok... What's wrong with Man 4 and Man 3? I can understand that Man 1 goes fast. But why does it take man 4 10 times longer? Is his leg broken?
Fire Storm
Monday, February 11, 2002 09:47:11 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Metaldemon - The concept of Trinity is strongly implied, in the same manner that most Christians imply abortion is wrong. I'll go back to John 1:1-8 for a start: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it. There was a man sent from God, who name was John. This came came for a witness to beat witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. He was not that Light, but he was sent to bear witness of that light." Why I am quoting so many verses? To keep things in context. Ok, the big point was Jesus was with God and was God. That makes Jesus part of God, giving God at least two parts. Acts 1:8 states "But you shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the Earth.". That's the third part, the Holy Spirit. One of the Illustrations I remember to explain it was an egg is composed of 3 parts, but it is one thing.

Here's a whacky thought: Adam and Eve could have been in the Garden of Eden for over 1000 years before eating that fruit.

I am having second thoughts about taking part in this religious discussion.

I can't wait to visit the chiropractor tomorrow.

Robby - it can't be done in 17 minutes, under those given conditions.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, February 11, 2002 09:18:39 PM
IP: 204.94.193.42

Robby's math challenge:

A) #1 and #2 cross = 2 minutes
B) #1 returns with flashlight = 1 minute
C) #3 and #4 cross = 10 minutes
D) #2 returns with flashlight = 2 minutes
E) #1 and #2 cross again = 2 minutes

Total time = 2 + 1 + 10 + 2 + 2 = 17 minutes.

Of course, I think #4 is going to be on his own if you add an angry pursuing baelrog into the equation. ;)

Garden of Eden comments: It's not that Adam and Eve were ignorant of the fact that they should be ashamed of being naked, it's that the shame of being naked DIDN'T EXIST until they disobeyed God and ate of the Tree of Knowledge. That act was sort of the Pandora's Box of the Judeo-Christian mythology (word "mythology" used for lack of a better term - please don't beat me up over it).

Random comment of the day: Is anyone else already getting sick of those Britney Spears "Pepsi, for those who think young! (wink)" commercials? I guess it could be worse, though... it could be N'Sync.

:: lurks off ::

"What Would Jesus Do (for a Klondike Bar)? - seen recently on a bumper sticker.
Patrick Toman
Monday, February 11, 2002 09:06:37 PM
IP: 66.72.198.0

Okay folks, a brain teaser has been getting the better of me for a day now, so I thought I'd share, hoping someone in here knows the answer... (And if not, to spread the pain...)

There are 4 men who want to cross a bridge. They all begin on the same side. They have 17 minutes to all get to the other side. It is night. There is one flashlight. A maximum of two people can cross the bridge at the same time. Any party who crosses, either one or two people, must have the flashlight with them. The flashlight must be walked back and forth. The are no tricks (The flashlight can neither shine a long distance nor can it be thrown, and no one can be carried. Each man walks at a different speed, but a pair must walk together at the rate of the slower man's pace. All 4 men must end up on the other side of the bridge.
Man 1 takes 1 minute to cross.
Man 2 takes 2 minutes to cross.
Man 3 takes 5 minutes to cross.
Man 4 takes 10 minutes to cross.

For example, if the first and 4 guys walks across, 10 minutes have elapsed when they get to the other side of the bridge. If man 4 returns with the flashlight, a total of 20 minutes have passed, and they have failed the mission.

I have no idea how to do this in 17 minutes. 19, easy. But 17? Eee... ANyone here have any idea?
Robby
Monday, February 11, 2002 08:14:13 PM
IP: 172.143.32.106

Hi everyone, people. Well, seems it is gonna be a short post...very well, since I am quite tired. Difficulties in sleeping these days...I am sleepy, but cannot sleep...and when I do, I seem not to *rest*. Stress, probably...

Thanks to everyone wished me condolences. I...cannot say I am actually "grieving" my grandfather. We were not that close...he was not exactly a pleasant person to deal with, and between he and my father in particular relations were very cold. And, he lived in Naples...not so far, but not exacly close. Yet, anyway, when somebody of the family leaves...well, you must think about it.
Hm...no sense in what I write...I have never been good in expressing what I feel.

Will be better switch to replies.

Niamhgold:> I got the address and sent the song. I hope you received it. When I sent the last piece and still no message of exceeding size had arrived, I began to wonder if the address could handle the whole file...but, it was too late. I hope you liked the song.

Josh:> <<ACK! That is bad. >> Worse than you suspect...considering the influence that Reynolds number has in certain...fields...;)
<<Our first geotech lecture was about why god hates engineers. >> Now, now..."hate" is an exaggerated word...let's say that he doesn't trust us...and, since many of us don't trust him, I suppose it is fair play...
<<Berkeley is really good about avoiding that. >> I change university!
<> He was aware of this, instead...in fact, he is still searching the nice guy who told it that! Nah, jokes apart, the friend of my father's who did that travel went by land to Indonesia, crossing Pakistan and India and many other countries, and from Indonesia he shipped the bike and himself to northern Australia, and finally he crossed Australia from north to south. Sounds easy in saying it, yet he travelled for three weeks. A review eventually published his journal when he returned.

Ok, I have no strenght to write anything more...I am supposed to reply to some emails, but I have no strenght for that as well...I'll do tomorrow. See everyone, and good night!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Monday, February 11, 2002 06:09:48 PM
IP: 213.255.20.79

mm today was a big day filled with nothing. made another music vid. this one to "perfect blue." next on the list is "the matrix" and "braveheart."

dad still hasnt called.

i figured out that if you work for the *federal* government.. you only have to pay 60$ instead of 5,288.90$ and they pay better.. so.. guess ill pick them. :)
thats cos the federal government is liberal. i knew there was a reason i voted for them ;)

revel <<maybe you will win ten more dollars at the lottery, then you will have money for you and rat food>> ooooor.. i could always just.. eat the rat... ;)

greg b>> re: knowledge is a sin. i went and did some thinkin about that one.. cos eve is also cursed with painful childbirth, aint she? and why is childbirth painful? which part hurts so much? its the HEAD.. wherein lies the BRAIN.. and knowledge and all that. so the story kinda works.. er.. not that im trying to convert you or anything.. :P

sj>> if you WANT to yell at someone else for what *ive* done, he can go riiiight ahead. its not very fair, but it makes *MY* day better. <<Don’t ever post something like that again>> o.O okay, i know im not an admin anymore but.. since when did YOU become one? if you want to ASK me to do or not do something, thats PERFECTLY fine and i will respect what you want.. but dont assume you have the right to tell me what to do or not do thanksverymuch. i already have a father to do that for me. <<If this one verse makes you crazy, the Book of Job must really make your head spin>> .. youre one of those ones who never reads a word i *actually* say, arent you? o.O

mooncat>> <<So I guess if we wanted to get to the tree of life, we'd have to take out the winged guy with the fiery sword first. I'm game>> well.. theyd HAVE to have a firey sword. you ever seen those little cherubs? everyone would just die of cutsie if they didnt have a flaming sword to make them look scary.. ;P

anyway.. thats it for now
love,
lain "furry marmalade" iwakura
the Great White North, eh?
Monday, February 11, 2002 02:20:46 PM
IP: 64.228.197.174

A religious discussion. Hmmmmm
All I'm going to say is They are making a movie about Martin Luther.

Went to HOPS last night and I drank three rasberry margaritas. My mom only had one and a half. Guess what. I didn't feel tipsy and she did. I must have a stronge liver.

Replies
Firestorm<<<*Sigh* Must I make diagrams? >>>Yes Please<<<You obviously haven't seen the Demona and Bronx pic from the adult GFW! >>>No I haven’t.

Green Baron<<>>Well thanks to Clinton Trekkies everywhere now knows what would happen f Captain Kirk became president.

Revel<<<It is soooooo nice to be able to sleep in on a Saturday>>>I hear ya. I slept till eleven on Saturday.

Gside<<<Usually it's two males and two females, otherwise there might be some bisexuality involved. Or, if one doesn't mind, there's usually a free hand somewhere.>>>So a fourway is a maximum after four it becomes an orgy.

Josh<<<Not yet.>>>Oh yes I have considering my stance on SUV’s<<<Who makes it?>>>Toyota I think.<<<You don't watch much porn, do you?>>>I’m not going to answer that one.<<>>YES! And I want every little detail.<<>>Behold the power of Cucumbers!<<<You have terrible taste in cars.>>>Atleast I don’t like that Pt Cruiser<<<And that isn't even an SUV by any stretch of the imagination. >>>It looks more like a SUV merged with a sports car.

Sevarius jr>>>I agree about the Olympics…except for the snowboarding event. I actually watch that.<<<To have a mule in your pants, and pretty much never use it.>>>I’m sure Mary Magdaline got some action from it.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, FL
Monday, February 11, 2002 01:29:36 PM
IP: 67.24.17.184

Just a quickie addition for Josh

Genesis 2:9 Genesis 2 Genesis 2:8-10 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22 Genesis 3 Genesis 3:21-23 covers the quote from my first post.

Genesis 3:24 Genesis 3 Genesis 3:23-25 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

So I guess if we wanted to get to the tree of life, we'd have to take out the winged guy with the fiery sword first. I'm game.

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Monday, February 11, 2002 12:39:29 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Josh -- yeh, fruit of immortality -- From the Interlinear NIV Hebrew-English Old Testament ( a very cool volume with original Hebrew text, direct english trans below the hebrew, on a word by word basis, and then english version of the bible in the right margin... all in all a pretty cool book for those who like that sort of thing.

Okay the part right after God decked Adam and Eve out in leathers (preparing to evict them)somewhere in Genesis

***
And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden

***

David -- Innocence, I think, like good and evil is a subjective thing. Animals are innocent, knowing neither good nor evil, but they can kill and do harm. I think the main reason very small children can do no major harm is the fact they are small. An upset baby isn't going to harm you with thrashing about or grabbing at what it wants, but a full grown man with the mind of an infant could. A baby lion cub wouldn't do much harm to me, but a full grown lion, in total innocence, would maul me to death, then she probably would trot my remains home to feed the cubs. The acts wouldn't be evil, just really unfortunate for me.

I've baby sat, I think innocence is very very subjective. I've known 4 year olds I'd swear were little monsters. Spoilt, tantram throwing, beat on you to get their way little things. But of course they are "innocent" because they aren't mature enough to know their behavior is "bad" -- I've also known very sweet little ones, but I am in no way convinced that not knowing any better/innocence equates being harmless.

Ooo... already 11:30 and I gotta load of work to get to. agh!

So, is okay to post a couple times a day? Or more if you leave off your picture? Good to know.

later
Mooncat
Mooncat
Monday, February 11, 2002 12:24:45 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Greg.> According to the Gopel, you must belive in Christ. But my Pentecostal friend told me G-d has a plan for Jews since they are the "Chosen race" (though think all humanity became chosen with the death and ressurection of Christ). I'll have to ask him abou where he's is getting that. I don't know if Jews are going to Hell or not; that's not for me to pass judgement on. I tend to beleive (and this isn't bibllical in the slightest) that if there is a girl in the middle of India who's been told her whole life that Hinduism is the true way depite what others may tell her, and she doesnt belive in G-d or Jesus, then she'll be forgiven. As I said, I have no biblical proof to back this up.
I think it's good for Reforms and Conservatives to become Chrisitan since they pretty much abandon the Law for the modern world (more so Reform than Conservative).
But, to get back to my orignal point, the Gospel says it is necessary to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, I can't preach against it; so I think even all (Orthodox, Conservative and Reform) Jews have to believe Christ is the Messiah. My brother-in-law won't like that i said that ;). However, I am not about to pass judgement and condemn Jews to Hell, I don't know what is going to happen to Jews. Besides, Jewish thought makes a helluva lot more sense than Christian thought; somehow, it turns most of my favorite thinkers are Jewish 8).
And I am not anti-semetic in the slightest. (just a disclaimer 8D).
metaldemon
Monday, February 11, 2002 09:55:14 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

METALDEMON> <<Yes, belief in the Resurrection is necessary.>> What if you're Jewish?
Greg Bishansky
Monday, February 11, 2002 09:29:56 AM
IP: 216.179.1.231

Mooncat> You wrote: "That doesn't exactly track, that they would not commit harmful acts because they didn't know they existed. They were naked, and didn't know nakedness was shameful. Eating the fruit was theft, because it wasn't their fruit, they knew it wasn't their fruit, knew it and still did it. So they could commit crimes and form the intent to commit crimes (breaking laws or commands from higher authority) before the fruit actually passed their lips."

Not the same thing. Someone else (God - then the Serpent) gave them the idea of stealing the fruit. Since God didn't say "Adam, thou shalt not smash thy woman over the head with a rock when she annoys you" Adam, as a total innocent, probably never thought about hitting Eve over the head with a rock.

What I'm trying to get at is that innocence is one way to be Holy, by which I mean close to God. If you never see good and evil at all and retain the purity of a newborn child then you stay close to God, even if you don't know anything about religion at all.

Once you lose your innocence (somewhere around age 10, maybe?) you have to find another way to be close to God.

It would be theoretically possible just to live a perfect life, but in real life that's not an option. You'll screw up some time, and there's no way a human can remove the taint of sin that separates us from God's holiness.

All the Isrealite sacrifices and rituals, and later Christ's crucifixion were ways that God could remove the taint of sin from humans so they could be close to him again.

Of course that's pretty much just my opinion.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Monday, February 11, 2002 08:41:15 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Replies before going to class and two major group meetings.. O.o;;;

Severius J><I know that the religions of the world have some very glaring differences, but I feel that most monotheistic (and even some polytheistic belief structures with a clear cut “head god”) religions are worshipping the same God, just with variances in their impressions of it.> Yep yep! (of course, a deep hidden root of all of this is that I had a lot of friends of many different religions when I was younger. One of my best friends in kindergarden-2nd grade was Muslim.) So I could in no way think that people calling God, Allah, or Vishnu, of Jehovah etc would be different. It felt like calling your dad 'Father, dad, pop, poppa, daddy, pappa etc'. ^_^

<Too bad, cause if you had said that the skirt was too small for you, I would *really* have wanted to see you try it on. ;) > Gahhhhhhhhhhh O.o;; Why is it I've become the shcoolgirl symbol all of the sudden?!O.o;; Meef..which reminds me I need to start seriously working on my diet..I need to lose a few pounds before the gathering..O.o;;;;;;

GB> Re: Mary versus Kali> Ummm hun...you DO realize that Pavarati...that Mary equivalent I told you about? ^_^;;; Heh..well umm...Kali is a sort of reincarnation/transformed 'war' version of her...so they're KINDA the same person.. ^_^;;;;;; (Hence why even Shiva HIMSELF was shocked at her bloodlust. His kind gentle loving faithful wife turning into a monster..interesting story really. ^_^;;)

Josh> <Paint. Bodysuits add an extra layer for the menfolk to have to mentally remove.> Ack..O.o;; Since when was I ooglable material? O.o;;; Actually, I was watching this Biography about the Playboy Mansion etc. They had a section on the body paint the girls 'put on' for the parties. REALLY nice! (It seemed they were using spraypaint to apply it?) My question is I wonder if it runs..that would really suck. ;P

Jan> re Purgatory: ACTUALLY Purgatory SUPPOSEDLY doesn't exist anymore (at least in the Catholic faith). (hehe..which is somewhat funny to hear and make an arguement of) It was 'abolished' during Vatican 2 for being an 'outdated idea'. However a lot of Catholic sections of the south still hold onto it.

Hmmm..now..if they only abolish the idea that if you're born with certain chromosomes..you are 'closer' to God..now THAT would be something.. ;) Ps..don't mind the last comment..I'm in a cynical/happy mood today.^_^;;

Re Original Sin> We continue to be reborn with original sin because Adam, Eve, their descendants were kinda cursed. Instead of being allowed to directly go to heaven..you had to know EARN your way. (actually..unless I am getting this majorly screwed up..I think the original basis was that until Jesus died and went to heaven, everyone who had died previously was waiting outside of the gates until he opened them and let everyone inside.)
Original sin is also the reason why dying babies are supposed to be baptized. (I think the first section of hell was supposed to be for unbaptized babies with original sin) I personally DON"T believe that though..because I don't think God would do something like that. (at least the God I believe in.^_^)

blah..I feel likeI haven't had ANY sleep.. -_-;; oh wel, work has got to get done!

Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Monday, February 11, 2002 08:23:18 AM
IP: 24.93.24.62

Josh> <<How do you explain me then? ;-) >> Like I said... *most* of my prayers have been answered. *L* ;)
<<Do these papers promise that Anna will never ask him for a dime?>> yeppers. It stipulates that no child support will be given to her by the donor; that she will be 100% responsible for all expenses.
<<iPhoto>> naw, I wanted something that does a great job! hehehe j/k!

off to work - from listening to the scanner off and on this weekend, it sounds like they were busy - which means I'm going to have a lot of paperwork this morning O.o

It's 18 degrees here this morning. brrrrrrr
Jan
Monday, February 11, 2002 08:02:09 AM
IP: 12.110.236.234

* BRIEF BUFFY AND ANGEL SPOILERS *

I still keep up with both; I simply didn't get around to posting any comments on them last week.

I rather liked the "Angel" episode (and was particularly amused over Gunn discovering that he actually enjoys ballet), but I thought that the "Buffy" episode was very good. The "Evil Nerds" actually become more serious now when they take a life, panic over it, then attempt to convince Buffy that she did it. I was also pleased to see that Tara's still around, and liked her serving as Buffy's confidante over Buffy's worries that she'd been "brought back wrong".

Incidentally, I've been watching reruns of the first two seasons of "Buffy" - they air on syndication now - and when they showed the Halloween one a couple of weeks ago - the one where Buffy and her friends "become their costumes" and which introduced Ethan Rayne into the series - one part stood out to me in particular; the bit where Ethan is taunting Giles, talking about how his young charges don't know what he's really like, what he's really capable of, the Ripper side of him, etc. Now, this was obviously written as a foreshadowing of the Eyghon episode which came not long afterwards, where we find out about the dark past that Giles and Ethan have shared - but this time, what I found myself thinking of was Ben's fate at the end of Season Five - even though I don't think that anybody on "Buffy" had imagined that event taking place as yet or would for quite some time. Funny the way that a few seasons can change your perspective on some of the earlier lines.

* SPOILERS END *

Crazy little creativity demon for the week:

Alex is kidnapped, and his kidnappers make their demands: they don't want money or Goliath and his clan; rather, the price for Alex's safe return to the Xanatoses is that Fox finally reveal just what it was that Titania whispered to her.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, February 11, 2002 07:11:59 AM
IP: 168.191.109.96

Did a lot of work today, that's about it.

Signed up for interviews: I have GE on Wednesday, Applied Materials next wednesday, and Korve next Friday. SWEET! I just hope on of these suckers...er, fine companies gives me a job ;-)

Does anyone know what the hell "Quality-Six Sigma Initiative" is? Its something that I may be assigned to if I work at GE.

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Winterwolf: <<Toyota>>: Ah, I see.

Spacebabie: <<Matrix>>: You have terrible taste in cars. And that isn't even an SUV by any stretch of the imagination.

Fire Storm: <<Or a gay man>>: Thank goodness for the placement of punctuation and emphasis. <<money is money>>: Unless its gelt. <>: Forget that. Nuclear powered sheep. <<neither have a Yamato cannon>>: True, but those are slow to fire and slow to recharge. <>: Anyone can say that. <>: Its a bit like fugu that way, don't you think? <<does the quality justify the expense?>>: Usually. <<And that is...?>>: It sucks compared to firewire. <<NIX?>>: sorry, *NIX. <<Let's see if we can add Hudson to the mix>>: There are only so many places to put him... <<Drive over it>>: Ah I see. <>: Definitely. The fact that she lacks imagination takes away a few points, but she can be taught. <<Check again>>: I did. Didn't see it. Oh well, I get the idea. <<can you filter out TRIPLICATE>>: I knew you'd ask that. <<County and state governments can do a good enough job>>: What about integrating with other states? <<Why?>>: Because they make it impossible to do business. <<The Word>>: The Good Word? What is the good word?

Ravyn: <<tonight I think I'm going to tackle filling out the application and all for the apartment complex I'd like to get into. Hopefully it won't be too hard>>: I remember doing that. I had to call my dad several times to get all the info I needed. <<Thanks for the apartment advice>>: No prob. Just be careful. They all seem nice, but they're really out to screw you. And I don't mean in the back of a volkswagen. <>: Bummer. My advice is to get a study group together. Work on the homework together, explain it to each other, etc.

Greg X: <<Wait, wait, wait. Knowledge is original sin? KNOWLEDGE IS A SIN?>>: Don't you listen to Falwell? <<Hell, stupidity should be a sin>>: Just wait till I take over. <<told them to release the whole series on DVD>>: I did too. <<Have Greg ramble about each episode, perhaps even a commentary during the episode, and have an interview with a voice actor on each DVD>>: His DCV rambles overlayed on each ep! <>: Definitely. My brother has to wear a uniform for school, and I give him a lot of crap about it. If everyone was supposed to be equal, we'd be commies. <<but based on pictures I've seen of Eve, she's got nothing to be ashamed of>>: And those are gonna be perfectly accurate pics too, right? <<Now the big question is, what is the message?>>: Maybe there isn't one. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. <<I'm the sort who'd rather know everything and be miserable, than be ignorant and happy. Cause I'm a masochist>>: I'd rather be ignorant. <<Give us just one simple rule, and we will of course break it. For God's humans it was don't eat the apples, for Lucifer's it was don't pay worship to anyone and paradise will be yours. I mean really, what could be simpler?>>: Don't eat sh*t.

David G: <<It's just the cow logo. It offends my soul. I don't know why>>: Put an Apple logo over it. <<Do whatever you want. Just don't mess with this tree>>: You'd thing TWO people could figure out to listen to him. <<God hadn't learned much about human nature>>: But god is supposed to be all knowing. Surely he would understand the nature of the race he created. <<eventually some free-willed person would decide he was smarter than God was and mess everything up>>: Probably me.

Mooncat: <<lest they also eat the fruit of immortality and then become extra annoying>>: There's a fruit of immortality!? Jesus why doesn't anyone tell me these things! <<how the heck was she supposed to know it was wrong/evil to eat the fruit?>>: She didn't. She was just supposed to listen. Like most women however, she doesn't really want to listen to other people talk, she just wants people to listen to her talk. <<They were naked, and didn't know nakedness was shameful>>: It's not, that's my favorite part. <<Is there a limit to the number of posts you can post in day?>>: Most of us try to keep it to two/three per day. <<seems if you do one HUGE post or a half dozen little posts, space is space>>: You need not post your picture every time. THAT is what wastes space, not the text. It takes next to zero effort and next to zero bandwidth for your browser to load just text. <<The curious thing about good and evil is how it is so subjective>>: Makes it very frustrating.

Siryn: <<I'm just not sure if I should do paint or bodysuit>>: Paint. Bodysuits add an extra layer for the menfolk to have to mentally remove.

DPH: <>: Victim of his own conspiracy, I'd imagine.

Sevarius Jr: <<You know, I just can’t get into the Olympics since the Cold War ended>>: You mean the summer of 95 didn't turn you on with all those cute 14 year old gymnasts? <<Ignorance isn’t always a bad thing>>: But stupidity is. <<I'm factoring in "Orgasmo" and that cannibal musical they made>>: Are you kidding me?! Those are hilarious! <<Not to get in a pissing contest, but I bet my dark side is much darker than your dark side>>: And I bet mine trumps both. <<But don’t be knocking cornbread until you’ve tried it>>: That's right! Cornbread rocks. <>: Um, yes usually. <<For your sake, I shall refrain from speaking my mind on the Pope>>: Now there's something I never thought I'd hear. <<Joseph Campbell can take that and shove it up his ass>>: Would he notice? <<Too bad, cause if you had said that the skirt was too small for you, I would *really* have wanted to see you try it on>>: Wait for the bodypaint. <>: You are so easily molded by women. <<it’d be kind of a pisser, eh? To have a mule in your pants, and pretty much never use it>>: On the other hand, it might be fun to mock the women. <<Don’t ever post something like that again. That’s like the Doug / Kit sex-in-the-shower talk. I’m getting douche chills just thinking about it>>: Yeah it scares me too. <<All every woman really wants, be it mother, senator, nun, is some serious deep-dickin>>: LOL that explains a lot. <<she has become the thing she hates>>: Stabbing Westward! <<Angel seems to have the steaming undies for Cordy now>>: I don't blame him. She's hot. I'd like to verb her noun. <<Wesley, realizing that of all the wounds one can inflict upon the human soul, unrequited love is one that stings the most>>: I can't believe he didn't try to stick with Cordy when he could. <<they obviously need to address the Buffy implications>>: Forget that. What about the fact that they can't !@#$?

Jan: <<Convenient how these books justify some of their practices and beliefs too, huh?>>: No more or less convenient than being left out of the "accepted" version. It's all in the viewpoint. Personally, I think you left them out on purpose so you could belittle my people! ;-) <<Me either and I’ve had most of my prayers answered>>: How do you explain me then? ;-) <<nothing like having a Holstein on your computer>>: How about an apple? ;-) <<uniforms are babe-magnets>>: Only when they're associated with a "manly" job. Like firefighters or cops. There are no chicks swarming around the McDonald's guys. <<He’s not aware that he has these next 28 days to contest or change his mind and we’re not going to mention that to him>>: Do you really think he cares? <<IF he is stupid enough to contest this custody issue – the next papers that he receives will include child support and medical expense responsibility for the next 21 years>>: Do these papers promise that Anna will never ask him for a dime? <<It also has a program where I can do different layouts with pictures… an album page>>: iPhoto? J/k.

Elaine: <>: Its 95 Theses, silly.

Class early tomorrow.

We secretly switched our professor's water with ether in a thermal conductivity experiment. Let's see if he notices.
-Mike Margolis, Physics 7B

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, February 11, 2002 02:39:30 AM
IP: 64.170.152.83

Avalon Mists reminder > 12 days left until the voting on the new candidates for editor ends!

Not much else going on. Slept in after a late game. Some inter-party tensions building up and one of the PCs had an argument with his sword. Spent the day lazing about and watching the Olympics.

And now it's time for work.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, February 11, 2002 12:53:16 AM
IP: 64.24.214.123

First, question. Is there a limit to the number of posts you can post in day? Because it seems if you do one HUGE post or a half dozen little posts, space is space. But any case, if there's a limit, apologies for doing another spot post.

Jan -- << If you are following God ? then your actions will be good because God is only good.>>

Ummm... but if before God there was nothing, and all things that are came from God, then God created Evil, and thus all that is Evil descends from God as is all that is Good. So Good may be all that is good, but not all of God is good as he is all that is evil as well.

Reading through the Bible, I saw a lot of things God told his followers to do that to me seemed Evil. And we know by history that men will do Evil in the name of God, but believe it to be Good because they believe they are following his will. So I'm pretty glad I have the ability to judge good and evil for myself, which is not to say it's the same standard of good and evil another person will have. The curious thing about good and evil is how it is so subjective.

Ah, roast is almost done! Mmm.... smell the lovely spiced meat slow cooked to tender juicy readiness... Supper time, gotta go.

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat

Mooncat
Monday, February 11, 2002 12:29:31 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

I don't think Maccabees was a book written by Catholics, considering the Church didn't form until that Roman Emperor (forgot his name) made Christianity OK; that's when it all went to Hell when it became a Holy Empire. But Maccabees, to my knowledge, is a Jewish book. Protestants took it out, meaning they reprinted the Bible wihout it. I don't know why Luther took it out.
As for things not being biblical: the Trinity, which isn't the God of the fathers, isn't Biblical, yet somehow G-d got divided along the way. Jesus never mentioned a Trinity, nor did he allude to G-d being three and not one. IMO, whoever preahces a G-d as a trintiy is a false prophet; I haven't read most of Paul's letters, so if he preahes a Trinity, I don't listen to it.

Original Sin: I don't think G-d gives to flyin' hoohas if you believe in Original Sin or not. I don't think he cares whether you believe in a God-created Darwinism or the Adam and Eve creation bit; I don't think He cares whether you belive in the divinty of saints, and I don't think He cares if you pray the Rosary or not; I think all G-d cares about is whether or not you believe in Him and his Son and their divine will. That's what I see as the core of the Gospels. The Theology about how many angels sit on a pin-head, and Creation and Evolution and whether or not you beleive in the great flood and such is totaly unecessary, IMO, and does nothing to enhance your devotion to G-d and Jesus. Yes, belief in the Resurrection is necessary.
metaldemon
Monday, February 11, 2002 12:27:55 AM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Sorry for the Double Post, but I meant to mention this in my post to SJ about Adam and Eve.

I know you're a comics fan, and I'm wondering if you've been reading Vertigo's "Lucifer" series, very good book. Blame, Aaron, he got me hooked on it ;) Anyway a few issues ago, Lucifer was able to break through the wall of existence and create his own, so God no longer has the "monopoly" on existence. And he creates his own Garden of Eden and his own Adam and Eve. Though his only rule is that they are not to bow down and worship anyone, not even him, obey that one rule and they'll live blissfully in Eden for all eternity, if they violate it, Lucifer will give them death. Of course the serpent shows up and convinces Adam that desire is evil and that self-denial is a way of pleasing their maker, despite Lucifer telling them not to praise him. Lucifer shows Adam how fucked up our world is, and the consequences of desire and restrain. Adam decides that desire is evil and that pain is his only anchor to morality. Having violated Lucifer's rule that no praise be paid to him, Lucifer of course destroys him. Eve chooses death also, even though she did not fail his test. And then Lucifer tells the serpent (Amendiel) that the whole point of the test was for him to prove that humans are flawed. This was issue 16 to be exact, and I thought it was a very interesting story, with a lot of truth to it about how messed up humans are by nature. Give us just one simple rule, and we will of course break it. For God's humans it was don't eat the apples, for Lucifer's it was don't pay worship to anyone and paradise will be yours. I mean really, what could be simpler?
Greg Bishansky
Monday, February 11, 2002 12:01:35 AM
IP: 216.179.6.192

Sevarius Jr.>> I know that Martin Luther posted his 99 Thesis to rebel against what he saw were problems with the Chruch, but my point was that if Catholicism hadn't set the basic, uh... "ground-work" for Christian belief, there would be no other forms of Christianity. Yeah, there were problems with Catholicism back then, but I think a lot of Protestants (at least the ones I know) forget that that was then and this is now and it's not the same as it was back then (in regard to things like indulgences or the political power of The Church). Of course, regrettably, the church (specifically the American church) has come under problems as of late (what with the terrible molestation cases). But I feel that this, like the issues during the reformation, will be fixed (hopefully soon, God knows they've been taking their sweet time with being accountable).

As to Criticizing pagans... nah, you don't have to ;). My point wasn't that people should criticize other faiths besides or instead of Catholicism, but that it shouldn't ONLY be acceptable to criticize Catholicism.
Elaine
Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:48:15 PM
IP: 64.12.105.176

GB> <<The dead still need prayers. It says so in Maccabees. I don't knwo of any who charge a fee. A priest will be given a stipend for his part in a funeral, but that isn't that odd>> Why would the dead need our prayers? Judgment has already been given to those who have died. There is no purgatory. I find it interesting that only in the catholic bible does it talk of this. Why is that so? I don’t believe there was any conspiracies either for those who left out a few of the books (King James version –vs- Catholic Bible) Besides, purgatory is not mentioned anywhere else in the Bible _except_ in the Catholic book of Maccabees. Purgatory wouldn’t have been a controversial issue either. If there was such a place, then there’s such a place – why argue over it.? .. but, there’s not such a place since it only appears in Maccabees. I think it’s something that some catholic made up – whomever wrote the “Catholic books” in the Bible. There is no “waiting room” before judgment because there is no need for one. I think this has been created in an attempt to have financial gains and to keep the parishioners coming back to church.
I know of several catholic churches that charge a fee for the priest to pray for loved ones who are *supposedly* in Purgatory. My former co-teacher is Catholic and she and I would argue for days over this. She told me that most catholic churches in Houston charge for the service of praying for the ones in this so called purgatory… I know that the church here in town charges too. They also charged in South Dakota and in Louisiana. (in the towns that I lived in) I know this because I have friends who are catholic and we’ve talked about it before. It’s something that really gets my dandruff up.
The mormons also have their own version of the Bible… books that have supposedly appeared that was left out of the KJV. Convenient how these books justify some of their practices and beliefs too, huh?
I think that you were way too harsh on Siryn. You owe her an apology instead of the other way around.
Yes, I’m familiar with Lent and the purpose of it. =) I don’t practice any type of ritual with it, but I’m familiar with the meaning behind it.
How would I know what the Hail Mary is about? I have never said it before in my life… haven’t needed to. I don’t pray to Mary or have Mary intercede for me.
I understand that you are not praying directly to the saints or to Mary – but there is no support in the Bible that says that they are to be use as spokespersons.

Patrick> <<I've never prayed to a patron saint of anything.>> Me either and I’ve had most of my prayers answered. I also feel very comforted after praying directly to God. I do believe that there is an option of praying thru the Holy Spirit on the really difficult issues, but it’s not necessary. Scripture support that, but I’ve never read where you should pray thru a “saint” in order to reach God. The apostles in the Bible would never consider anyone praying to them so that they would relay it to God. The Holy Spirit is part of the trinity, so that’s not the same as praying to a man and having him be a spokesperson to God.

Adam/Eve/Tree of Knowledge: Like David said, it’s not about gaining knowledge – it was about disobeying God. I also agree with SJ on this one *nods* (Nicely said, SJ!)

Mooncat> <<Don't worry about whether your actions are good or evil>> If you are following God – then your actions will be good because God is only good.

Winterwolf> do you have a link to the webpage? =)

David> *LOL* I agree about the Gateway cow stuff… nothing like having a Holstein on your computer, huh?

Greg> *L* you crack me up! Naw, I think you would have looked soooo cute in a little Cub Scout uniform! ;) Besides, uniforms are babe-magnets ;) *L*

Well, the donor signed the custody papers!! *happy feet dance* Stupid dork signed the papers without even reading them. Now we just have to wait the 30 days and then it will go before the judge and become final and binding. He’s not aware that he has these next 28 days to contest or change his mind and we’re not going to mention that to him. (the 30-day period started on Friday when it was filed in court here) IF he is stupid enough to contest this custody issue – the next papers that he receives will include child support and medical expense responsibility for the next 21 years. His parents are still not aware of Zach and we have no intention of telling them. If he wants them to know – that’s his business, not ours.

I bought a new printer this weekend. My old one was pretty outdated and such. This one is a HP PhotoSmart 1100 or something like that. It prints out pictures as nice looking as ones that have been developed. Now I can print out more of the digital camera’s pictures when I need to =) It also has a program where I can do different layouts with pictures… an album page (4 photos per page), picture layouts that include like a 5x7 and several wallet sizes, etc. I can place different pictures in each spot, too. Very cool! Hehe

Zach attended his first church service this morning. He didn’t do too bad… when the music was playing he would be real quiet and look around…. When there would just be talking, he would become a bit restless. Maybe he’s going to be a musician! =) Anna is determined that he’s going to learn to play the saxophone – which is great with me.. I’ve always loved hearing the sax being played :)
He was dressed to kill this morning… a one-piece outfit that had a dress shirt, dress pants, a vest, and even a tie! Awwww!! He was one handsome baby!

I haven’t watched the Olympics yet… I was a bit miffed last night when I waited for the delayed scheduling of the news to get over with so that I could watch SNL and then they had some kind of “after Olympics” show with the Dave Matthews band. I gave up and turned off the TV at that point. Enough is enough, people. Eesh. All of the other networks are showing re-runs while the Olympics are on and that’s bad enough without extending the Olympic show even longer than it should be.

Sunday trivia: Jack Norworth, who wrote the song "Take Me Out to the Ball Game", had never seen a baseball game when he wrote the song in 1908.
Jan
Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:48:13 PM
IP: 12.110.237.43

SJ> <<Okay, here's the explanation (although in my days of Sunday school, I've never seen Knowledge referred to as a sin....but then the whole list of "original sins" seems to be more Catholic in origin, so I'm not sure):>> So many different versions of Christianity, I'm sure you'd get many answers. <<They were truly innocent. Their knowledge of good & evil was not, shall we say, quite as detailed; they had basic understandings of right / wrong, but some of the particulars weren't quite as defined (hence the whole "shame because of their nakedness" thing)>> I don't know about Adam, but based on pictures I've seen of Eve, she's got nothing to be ashamed of. <<Think of it in terms of potential; in each of us there exists the ability to kill someone, out of anger, hatred, etc., but many of us don't do it....but we could if we wanted to.>> Free will, it's a bitch. But it can be quite fun most of the time ;) <<But a child, who is an "innocent", has little understanding of the concept of murder or death itself.>> Very true. <<Eating of the fruit would sort of unleash humanity's potential for evil (but also goodness, so it wasn't a total loss).>> Nope, not at all. <<The fruit was basically a key, of sorts, and it unlocked in mankind the understanding of this potential, sort of like "Okay, so now I know I'm capable of doing all sorts of good / bad things.">> I'm glad they did, cause doing bad things is fun. <<It was an awakening, but one with very bad implications. Because of free will, they eventually DID eat of the tree, and you know the rest of the story from there.>> Yep, several millenium of "interesting" history and people. <<I'd really rate pride as the original sin (stemming from the Lucifer account),>> Did Lucifer fall before or after the Adam and Eve fiasco? <<or maybe desire coupled with disobedience.>> Maybe, but hey, who ISN'T guilty of that one. <<Knowledge isn't a sin, otherwise Solomon would have been really screwed when he asked God for those good SAT scores.>> LOL <<BTW, you seem to be doing what most people do when they throw out the word “stupid”. You’re really referring more to ignorance than stupidity.>> Point taken, I'll try to do a better job of watching my words in the future. <<God didn’t want them stupid, but you could make a good argument that he wanted them ignorant of certain things.>> Well, God is supposed to be like a parent, and most parents do want to keep their children ignorant of certain things, at least until they feel they are ready to learn them. I had this theory that perhaps that's why the Bible doesn't explain everything. God wanted us to learn some things about our origins for ourselves. Take evolution for example, I don't think it and creationism are necessarily mutually exclusive. The Bible says that God created the world in six days. Maybe for an eternal being such as God, six says is six billion years, and the creation was a slow process, because like an artist, God wanted his work to be perfect. A friend of mine had a theory that God is an artist, and the universe is his work of art. Now the big question is, what is the message? <<Ignorance isn’t always a bad thing.>> I can see that, but I'm the sort who'd rather know everything and be miserable, than be ignorant and happy. Cause I'm a masochist ;) <<Science will NEVER disprove God (any god), and you’re a utter fool if think otherwise>> Hell I'm an Atheist, and even I don't think you can prove or disprove it either way. It's a matter of personal our own belief system. BTW, I know it may seem odd to see me claim to be an Atheist and talk about Religion, but the topic fascinates me. <<How come I didn’t see more reviews this past week?>> it was my brother's birthday so I missed "Angel". As for "buffy", i gave up on that show. For me it ended with "The Gift".
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:21:39 PM
IP: 216.179.6.192

David -- <<2- Adam and Eve were innocent, which is slightly different than being without conscience. Up until they ate the forbidden fruit good and evil didn't really exist for them (or for anybody else since they were the only people). They weren't capable of doing anything really hurtful because the concept of hurting someone was beyond them>> --

That doesn't exactly track, that they would not commit harmful acts because they didn't know they existed. They were naked, and didn't know nakedness was shameful. Eating the fruit was theft, because it wasn't their fruit, they knew it wasn't their fruit, knew it and still did it. So they could commit crimes and form the intent to commit crimes (breaking laws or commands from higher authority) before the fruit actually passed their lips.

So if Cain who committed the first murder, had been born and lived BEFORE the first human ate one of the forbidden fruit, there is nothing to say he wouldn't have still killed his brother. Jealousy is an emotion, not a knowledge, so he could still have struck his brother a death blow out of jealousy/anger/rage... etc. Even as an animal can kill another animal, and not have awareness of good or evil. A male lion who kills another lion for territory or to have the female pride to himself does so in savage "innocence".

Just some thoughts
Mooncat

Mooncat
Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:20:06 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Whee, Olympics are on. You know, I just can’t get into the Olympics since the Cold War ended. When that was still going on, it was cool. It was like, “Hey, watch us kick the Russians’ ass!”. Now what? Are we supposed to get excited about facing Finland? Who cares about Finland? Helsinki is a dump anyways. And none of our current hated enemies are represented. I don’t see Iraq with a bobsled team. So the Olympics just bore me. Although I am pulling for Michelle Kwan, even if I think figure skating is totally gay and I’d never watch it.

Greg: <<Knowledge is original sin? KNOWLEDGE IS A SIN?! How is knowledge a bad thing? Someone please tell me this. From what I can tell, Adam and Eve live blissfully in the Garden of Eden and are stupid. They eat the apples, gain knowledge and God casts them out of the Garden. Why would God want us to be stupid? Stupidity is not a good thing.>>

Okay, here's the explanation (although in my days of Sunday school, I've never seen Knowledge referred to as a sin....but then the whole list of "original sins" seems to be more Catholic in origin, so I'm not sure): It wasn't KNOWLEDGE itself that was a bad thing, it was knowledge of evil. The tree has different names, but one of the more popular ones is The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Look at Adam / Eve as spiritual blank slates. They were truly innocent. Their knowledge of good & evil was not, shall we say, quite as detailed; they had basic understandings of right / wrong, but some of the particulars weren't quite as defined (hence the whole "shame because of their nakedness" thing). God forbid them to eat of the tree, because to do so would cause them to know true evil. Think of it in terms of potential; in each of us there exists the ability to kill someone, out of anger, hatred, etc., but many of us don't do it....but we could if we wanted to. But a child, who is an "innocent", has little understanding of the concept of murder or death itself. Eating of the fruit would sort of unleash humanity's potential for evil (but also goodness, so it wasn't a total loss). The fruit was basically a key, of sorts, and it unlocked in mankind the understanding of this potential, sort of like "Okay, so now I know I'm capable of doing all sorts of good / bad things." It was an awakening, but one with very bad implications. Because of free will, they eventually DID eat of the tree, and you know the rest of the story from there. I'd really rate pride as the original sin (stemming from the Lucifer account), or maybe desire coupled with disobedience. Knowledge isn't a sin, otherwise Solomon would have been really screwed when he asked God for those good SAT scores.

BTW, you seem to be doing what most people do when they throw out the word “stupid”. You’re really referring more to ignorance than stupidity. God didn’t want them stupid, but you could make a good argument that he wanted them ignorant of certain things. Ignorance isn’t always a bad thing.

<<Yeah, oh what did you think of Trey and Matt's other great work; "That's My Bush"?>> It's offensive to call that a "great work". THAT was the worst piece of sh!t that either of them has ever done, and I'm factoring in "Orgasmo" and that cannibal musical they made. I was all psyched up to see a sitcom spoof that was a Bush parody as well, but it just sucked SO BAD....Christ, I know a show isn't working when in the first episode you have a dozen or so abortion jokes, and none of them makes me laugh. Those guys should stick to South Park, it seems to be the only thing they can do consistently.

<<Dude, trust me when I say that you have never seen my dark side>> Not to get in a pissing contest, but I bet my dark side is much darker than your dark side.

The Boy Scouts: Never joined them. Never wanted to. Little League was about all the pederasty I could handle. Frankly, I would find the Scouts infinitely more interesting if they did let homosexuals in. I’m getting Canteen Boy flashbacks.

Green Baron: This will be in all sorts of random order.
<<I've never prayed to a patron saint of anything.>> You're loss.>> Now, I don’t get that. Why should we pray to the patron saints of anything? I mean, I respect Paul a great deal, but I would never pray to him. This is the problem I have with praying to Mary, too. They were HUMAN, and in the Christian religion only Jesus can claim to be both human and of the Godhead, so while I may respect the saints for their achievements, I would never say one word of prayer to them, ever. It’s really sort of sacrilegious to me. I was taught that only God is worthy of worship. <> That I totally agree with. Politicians are reserved for the worst level of hell. <<The rogue priests you mention shoudl not be copvered up, but expoused and burned at the stake. They are herectics and dissenters and should be dealt with accordingly.>> I agree with this too, but it doesn’t happen that often. I saw some archbishop (or cardinal, I get confused about the titles) up in the Northeast say that he’s going to go a bit against traditional Church doctrine and report priests who have molested children. And I almost bit my tongue in half. Well, how magnanimous of this man. I’m thrilled that he’s finally consented to do something that should have ALWAYS been done. <<The Book of Wisdom….Maccabees…Tobit…>> Aren’t those Apocryphal books? I’m almost sure Tobit is. <<Don't think that just because soemone is dead, they don't need our prayers. That is very unfortunate to those who have gone before us.>> Prayers for the dead really is more for a belief structure with a Purgatory concept. Which is what Catholicism has, BUT Protestant religions do not. Personally, I say when you’re dead, you’re dead. You either go one of two places, and all the prayers in the world ain’t gonna do much good either way once you’re gone. <<All we need is a table full of fidn chicken, gravy, chicken fried stak, corn bread, hamhocks and anything else that is ano no for the heart and every Baptist in the next three states will be there to listen :)>> I can honestly say that I have never met a fellow Baptist who has eaten a hamhock. But don’t be knocking cornbread until you’ve tried it. <<Not to confuse you with teh truth but we don't worship Mary, though I guess when a sense of pure equality towards anyone outside of God is preached or maybe that's just what I view from New Age American made religions.>> Speaking as a Protestant, you call it reverence to Mary, we perceive it to be thinly veiled deification and worship. I’m sorry, I just don’t see where she merits it. <<Well, I'd rather be the guest of a Hindu who worshipped Mary than one devoted to Kali.>> I believe I’m the reincarnation of Shiva. Does that make me a bad person, that I desire to be the Destroyer of the World? <<He called Catholics pope worshippers.>> For your sake, I shall refrain from speaking my mind on the Pope. <> Sometimes I think I’m one of the last hold-out Creationists. But I’m with you; if evolution can be proven (it’s still a theory, mind you), than I believe it was God-driven. Science will NEVER disprove God (any god), and you’re a utter fool if think otherwise. Joseph Campbell can take that and shove it up his ass.
BTW, you’re familiar with Jack Chic. What the hell is UP with that guy? Jesus, every bad thing in the world is, according to him, directly / indirectly caused by Catholicism. I read one of his tracks around Halloween (a friend showed me his website as a goof), and there was an article on there from an alleged “former vampire” who claimed that his teachings from the Catholic Church (specifically the communion) made him into a human vampire. Chic and his people are really over the top. You can’t buy that kind of insanity anywhere else!

Siryn: <<But anyways..they believe that Jesus and Buddha are reincarnations of Vishnu etc etc..so we all are worshipping the same diety, just in different ways..and that, in esence, is my belief.>> Honestly, that’s sort of what I believe. Although I’m not Buddhist and have no belief in Vishnu. BUT I really do think that many of the world’s religions are in fact worshipping the same root deity – let’s just use the standard “God” – with different interpretations of that God and its commandments. I know that the religions of the world have some very glaring differences, but I feel that most monotheistic (and even some polytheistic belief structures with a clear cut “head god”) religions are worshipping the same God, just with variances in their impressions of it.
<> Too bad, cause if you had said that the skirt was too small for you, I would *really* have wanted to see you try it on. ;)

Elaine: <<I cringe because the people who cry "I can be whatever faith I want!" are the same people who will turn around and call Catholicism "old," "outdated," and sometimes, "wrong." It's very hypocritical, isn't it?>> I’m not against Catholicism, but I do have issues with some of the doctrine / dogma. I have my own beliefs, and most of them conform to a particular Christian sect (Southern Baptist in my case), but I’m not really one of those people who feels that only my religion has relevance. Despite the way it’s been used / applied over the course of human history, I view religion itself as a positive institution. However, we humans tend to flaw it every chance we get.
<<But guess what-- there wouldn't be Protestantism if there were no Catholicism>> Hmmm…..you might want to back away from that one, since Protestantism started out of a desire to reform the “old, outdated, and wrong” practices of Catholicism. The whole “Catholicism birthed Protestantism” argument, while accurate, is a bit of a dubious honor, considering Luther’s goal was to move away from all of the bad crap the Church was (allegedly) doing.
<<there are certainly faiths much older and more "outdated" and "ritualistic" than Catholicism... just that no one would DARE criticize THEM.>> I will if you want me to. You wanna take turns picking on the pagans. ;)

Spacebabie: <> Not to sound gay, but I bet Jesus was HUGE, if you know what I mean. I figure God hooked him up. But it’d be kind of a pisser, eh? To have a mule in your pants, and pretty much never use it.

<<gunjackvalentine: FRRRRRUUUUSSSSSSSSSTTTTTRRRRRRAAAAAATTTIIIIOOOONNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>> Don’t ever post something like that again. That’s like the Doug / Kit sex-in-the-shower talk. I’m getting douche chills just thinking about it.
<> If this one verse makes you crazy, the Book of Job must really make your head spin.

Fire Storm: <<Well, some dude was hi on Meth and came over to have sex with Dr. Green's older daughter. Well, some very well shot sex scenes later, the BF leaves, BUT accidently drives his car into the house, causing it to collapse and hurting the baby.>> They showed the daughter getting plowed? Wow. That’d be hot, if a) she wasn’t like, you know, 14 (she looks it even if she ain’t it), and b) she wasn’t so damn fugly.
What’s up with that baby, anyway? That kid gets abused left and right. I don’t put good odds on it surviving the rest of the season. <<Oh, and the lesbian doctor didn't get any pussy, BUT she got some of the OTHER side!>> I quote that great philosopher of our time, Banky Edwards: “All every woman really wants, be it mother, senator, nun, is some serious deep-dickin'.”

***Buffy & Angel Mini-reviews***

How come I didn’t see more reviews this past week? You people are getting lazy. It’s the Feb sweeps, we get lots of new stuff now!

Buffy: Hey, an episode this season that didn’t leave me disappointed! Finally, those goddamn nerds actually do something evil, by killing a woman, and making Buffy think she did it. It all works out in the end, but in the end, it doesn’t even matter. I had to fall, and lose it all, but in the end….oh, sorry. She winds up crying in front of Tara, because she has become the thing she hates.
Good, dark episode, the kind that makes me think of the glory days of season 3. I dug it.

Angel: Kind of a fluff episode, but we get two main storyline threads started here: Angel seems to have the steaming undies for Cordy now, and Gunn & Fred are hooking up. Love is in the air. There was some funky story about a ballet out of time as the backdrop for the ep., but it was little more than excuse to show Angel & Cordy sucking face (and boy, did HE ever get close to the ah-poo-ha!). And we’re left with a very sad Wesley, realizing that of all the wounds one can inflict upon the human soul, unrequited love is one that stings the most.
The sad thing about this whole Angel-loves-Cordy plotline is that they obviously need to address the Buffy implications, as they are supposed to be these Romeo / Juliet star-crossed, ill-fated lovers or some such garbage, but since Buffy is on That Other Channel now, I doubt that any mention of her will be made. Which sucks. An explanation needs to be given as to why he’s suddenly jonesing for his secretary instead of the girl he was meant to be with forever, but if one comes, I’m worried it’s going to be a lame one.
Basically, a throwaway episode meant to create / advance the love plot threads, but a fun throwaway episode at that. The last half-hour took a pretty somber turn, which was good for setting the mood of the final moments.
***End Reviews***

"Even a mushroom cloud can have a silver lining."
---Absinthe

Sevarius "Dark Madness" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:49:25 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Oops. Looks like it's time to clarify a couple of things.

1- I -generally- believe the bible. I think there's more going on in the early part of Genisis than we were really told, or that what we were told hints at things we can't fully understand.

2- Adam and Eve were innocent, which is slightly different than being without conscience. Up until they ate the forbidden fruit good and evil didn't really exist for them (or for anybody else since they were the only people). They weren't capable of doing anything really hurtful because the concept of hurting someone was beyond them.

Someone who has just wiped out his conscience isn't innocent. He was capable of distinguishing between right and wrong, but gave up that ability (and nobody does that because they don't want their base instincts to get in the way of all their charity work).

3- Eve knew it was wrong to eat the fruit because God said "Don't eat the fruit or you'll die." He didn't mean it was poison, or that he'd instantly strike her down for doing it. He meant that once she was not innocent (since having free will meant she'd be able to sin) she would not be able to remain in Eden, so she'd be mortal.

She didn't know it was "evil" until right after she did it, but she did know it wasn't a good idea.

Commentary: I find the whole "fall from grace" thing a little strange. The book of Job is even weirder. I think the fall from grace was an inevitable result of free will, which is why God came up with a "backup plan." Even if it hadn't been Adam and Eve, eventually some free-willed person would decide he was smarter than God was and mess everything up.

That's why I'm inclined to believe the Fall story is somewhat symbolic or told in a distorted/abbreviated form. I think the ultimate meaning is true, but some of the specific events may not have been related accurately. We have kind of a Cliff Notes version.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:36:42 PM
IP: 64.48.221.38

David G - < I don't want to worship a god who's stupid enough to think that two idiot kids won't immediately do the first thing you tell them not to -OR- a god who's mean enough to set up a sting operation for his only two subjects.> I have a different take that does allow for being literal. Why didn't God create robots who had no choice about worshiping him? Simple, it wouldn't have been meaningfull. So God created human beings who had the choice to worship and obey him. Adam and Eve were created with the ability to choose whether or not to worship and obey God. Why? Which would be more meaningfull to you: robots programmed to obey/worship you or robots who choose to obey/worship you? Frankly, the second option is what I would rather have. BTW, isn't time measured from the moment when Adam and Eve left the garden of eden?

GXB - <Dude, trust me when I say that you have never seen my dark side.> I believe you.

Fire Storm - <Government should serve the people, not itself. . . My IDEAL government is... virtually none.> I agree, up to a point. The first statement by itself could be misconstrued. The two statements together work well. <<I've heard of conservatives wanting to abolish OSHA, which I firmly believe in.> Why?> There are abuses within OSHA. They have the same problem with the EPA. <But, alas, humans arn't ready for that. And I doubt it will ever be.> Only in utopia.

Winterwolf - <Well I finished working on a web page and I'm starting to feel a little tired but not enough to go to sleep just yet.> Dream, Dream, Dream, Dreamie, Dreamie, Dreamie

Gside - <All your files are in binary format. I'd love to see you get trinary.> I don't mean ordinary text files, that can be opened up with an word processing program, I mean files written in 0s and 1s. Great, this old argument hits me like a boomerang. I thought it would be a lot better to write an operating system that used base 3 instead of base 2 for its machine language.

Green Baron - wouldn't it be more efficient to pray to God directly? I mean we're all equal, right?

BTW, can I claim the title of being in the top 5% of paranoid people in the CR? I wonder what happenned to Conspiracy Theorist.

In other news, I finally found a set of keys I lost. They were on the ground just outside my back door.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:09:19 PM
IP: 204.94.193.24

Vash> Just wanted to make sure it was okay and you and lexy would get credit for it. ^_^

GB> <Siryn is someone I like and respect and by no meand in that company. > That's a relief..I never want people to think I persecute them for their beliefs.. O.o;; Glad you're not mad.^_^;;

<Its amazing how distorted that event has become in the history books. > Eh, a lot of events are like that though. ^_^

hehe..Ganesh is the son of Pavarati (sp) and Shiva, Shiva got mad at him and cut his head off, at his wife's pleas he tried to find the head, but finally replaced it with an elephant head. He's the diety of good luck and fortune (hence why he is one of the more popular dieties of hindism.^_^) (just some info off topic.^_^;;)

Patrick> <Pavarati is also one of the Three Tenors. ;) > Yeah! You're right! Is that the large guy with the beard? If so, I like him! :D

Josh> re Asrial> Yeah, she's my fave too. (she and Sata..who is another possibility actually.. :D )

I'm just not sure if I should do paint or bodysuit.. O.o;;;

Skeleton Gathering Schedule is up on the page! :D

I think that's it for right now. ^_^;;
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Sunday, February 10, 2002 09:45:37 PM
IP: 24.93.24.62

Greg B -- Yes, I always found Original Sin to be kind of funny. God was very upset that Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and cast them out lest they also eat the fruit of immortality and then become extra annoying.

Like David said, it was the being disobedient that was the actual sin. But if before eating the fruit Eve had no idea of right or wrong, good/evil how the heck was she supposed to know it was wrong/evil to eat the fruit?

This has so many disturbing connotations. Did God want people who did not distinguish between good or evil, but would be absolutely obedient. How scary. Because that is what most rulers want of soldiers. Don't worry about whether your actions are good or evil, just as long as you obey. Gives me shivers.

As it is, I read the Bible, but I'm pretty happy not being a follower of any of the religions based on it.

Mooncat
Mooncat
Sunday, February 10, 2002 09:02:26 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Two quick things:
Everybody who wonders about my feelings on Gateways> It's completely irrational. Gateway makes good computers, has decent support, and offers OK prices (really good right now, since they have a sale on). Their laptops are top of the line. It's just the cow logo. It offends my soul. I don't know why.

Greg> the first sin was not knowledge. It was disobedience. God left really simple instructions: "Do whatever you want. Just don't mess with this tree."

I suppose since there were only two humans at the time, God hadn't learned much about human nature. :P

Seriously, though, refusing to obey God was a sin in itself, and worse yet Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Before that they were total innocents. Afterwards they understood good and evil, so they could be held responsible for their actions.

It's not just knowledge in general, it's knowledge of right and wrong. Since there's no way a human can ever correct a mistake, any sins they committed afterwards would require forgiveness.

(Of course I'm inclined to believe the early part of Genisis can't be taken absolutly literally. I don't want to worship a god who's stupid enough to think that two idiot kids won't immediately do the first thing you tell them not to -OR- a god who's mean enough to set up a sting operation for his only two subjects.)

David G.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Sunday, February 10, 2002 08:42:52 PM
IP: 64.48.222.115

Greg: LOL!!!
Niamhgold
Sunday, February 10, 2002 08:28:00 PM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Greg Bishansky: <Say the word and I'll e-mail you the lyrics>
The Word
Fire Storm - [Jeremycbcd AT Usa.net]
Sunday, February 10, 2002 08:08:11 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

NIAMHGOLD> <<Yooper: <Actually, there's evidence that Jesus had a brother> An evil twin? ;)>> Now this would be interesting. What's his name; Susej? This could be a plot to a cartoon series; "Jesus: the Animated Series", or perhaps a "South Park" sequel to "The Super Best Friends". Satan clones Jesus and sends him to wreak havoc and convert people to the Official Church of Lucifer (which does exist, I've read their webpage). Then again, Satan in "South Park" is not that evil, all he wants to do is go rock climbing and hug babies, and take a gay cruise. Hmm, since he's no longer with Chris or Saddam Hussein, he's free to do these things. I wonder if he's taken God's advise and learned to like himself yet.

Hmm, "Jesus the Animated Series", now there's an idea. Jesus and his 13 Apostles (yes 13!) vs Lucifer and his evil minions including David Blain, the demonic spirit of Charles Darwin, the Evil Atheist Conspiracy, long forgotten Pagan Gods, Harry Potter, his evil twin Susej, evil priest, Jerry Falwell (the priest gone bad), and of course Joseph Stalin and his rat bastard Commies ;)

GB> <<<< thought this phrase refers to Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. But I could be wrong.>> It does but we are all conceived with it.>> Wait, wait, wait. Knowledge is original sin? KNOWLEDGE IS A SIN?! How is knowledge a bad thing? Someone please tell me this. From what I can tell, Adam and Eve live blissfully in the Garden of Eden and are stupid. They eat the apples, gain knowledge and God casts them out of the Garden. Why would God want us to be stupid? Stupidity is not a good thing. Hell, stupidity should be a sin. <<South Park was pretty much irreverent and not offensive, though very funny in any case.>> But the more offensive they are, the funnier they are. <> Yeah, oh what did you think of Trey and Matt's other great work; "That's My Bush"? Apparantly they're going to work on a movie called "George W Bush and the Secret of the Glass Tiger" where Bush is a superhero fighting the Chinese.

Okay, now on to things which have nothing to do with Jesus, God, Lucifer, or anything like that.

LEXY> Long time no see. Thanks for the link, I voted on all of them, and told them to release the whole series on DVD. You know, that would make me very happy to have all 66 episodes of "Gargoyles" on DVD. I also told them to pack in a lot of extras. Have Greg ramble about each episode, perhaps even a commentary during the episode, and have an interview with a voice actor on each DVD.

REVEL> <<Boy scouts, huh, I was never a boy scout but I'm just as resourceful, have to be when you drive what I drive.>> What do you drive? I was never a Boy Scout either. Never had any desire to be one, why you may ask? Well aside from the fact that I don't have the qualities they look for in people, I also didn't want to wear the uniform. I don't do anything that requires a uniform. Uniforms are evil, and not cool Thailog evil, but stupid Jerry Falwell evil.

DPH> <<We all have a dark side. I just prefer to keep it under control more than GXB does.>> Dude, trust me when I say that you have never seen my dark side. But I will mention that I love my dark side very much. I should let it out more.

FIRE STORM> <> Say the word and I'll e-mail you the lyrics.

Sister Anne: In the book of Mark, Jesus distributed bread and said, "Eat this, for it is my body"!
Cartman: So, we won't go to Hell as long as we eat crackers!
Sister Anne: No, no, no, no!
Butters: W'well, what're we eating then?!
Sister Anne: The body of Christ!
Stan: Nononono! I get it! Jesus wanted us to eat him, but he didn't want us to be cannibals, so he turned himself into crackers, and then told people to eat him!
-"Do the Handicapped Go To Hell?" SOUTH PARK
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, February 10, 2002 07:51:01 PM
IP: 216.179.6.192

On the apartment front, tonight I think I'm going to tackle filling out the application and all for the apartment complex I'd like to get into. Hopefully it won't be too hard ... ;)

LM> Thank you for the e-mail! I really appreciate all your help. :)

Lexy> I voted for Gargs on DVD! ;) Thanks for the link.

Gside> <<One of my younger teachers got off track for a good while on the definition of even and odd. In a 400 level course>> Uhhh ... fun. ;)

Winterwolf & Dreamie> <<Dreamie and I wish you god luck and are happy you found a nice place.>> Thank you both so much!!! I'll let y'all know how it goes. :)

GB> <<patron siant of the Internet>> Wow, seriously? Just out of curiousity, who *is* the patron saint of the Internet? I think I owe him a few thank-yous ... ;) <<If I get Huachuca, I'll definitely let you know or Ft Bliss. Plus I'll be able to visit Starsinger.>> Sweet! I miss Starsinger. ;)

Josh> Thanks for the apartment advice! :) <<What were the topics?>> Finding work and heat transfer for certain systems ... specific heat (which he told us *wouldn't* be on the exam, but it was anyway), specific volumes, quality, that sort of thing ... I just have no clue what I'm doing in that class. :(

Coyote> Hiyas. :)
Ravyn
Sunday, February 10, 2002 07:03:39 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Imzadi: <Spoken like a true republican>
Or a gay man. ;) (DAMN! Straight.)

Gside: <More than a place to live? It's usually better to find another before getting out of a lease.>
True. But money is money.
<And I thought there might be some magical properties. Oh well>
Maybe they do. I am just hungry, so I don't care.
<Electric or wood burning?>
I was thinking diesel.
<They don't usually get the chance>
Well, they should have read the script.
<They're more fun. And swarms are always intimidating>
True, true... but neither have a Yamato cannon.
<Thank you. I must wonder why restaurants insist on putting lemons in diet, other than a visual difference for the servers>
Probably just visual difference.
<All your files are in binary format. I'd love to see you get trinary.>
I say base-4.

Imzadi: <Does that include prostitutes?>
ICK! No! I don't know where that's been!
Or what's been in it!
<Because its better than a BC>
I never really liked the swarm weapon.
<The better stuff costs money though>
But does the quality justify the expense?
<There's a reason USB 2.0 isn't accepted yet>
And that is...?
<Why not switch to NIX?>
NIX?
<Even in Angela's four-way>
Hmm... Let's see if we can add Hudson to the mix...
<Not while I breathe!>
It depends on your faith. Most of the people in here are obviously of the PCian faith, while you are probably MACmon or MACish.
<you mean ON a truck, right?>
No, I mean WITH a truck. Drive over it.
<Apparently. Give her some ideas>
Hmm... I wonder if I should fire up POSER...
<Okay, I haven't been in a while, but I remember no such picture>
Check again. It's Bronx and Demona, Doggie style.
<Those are the worst>
Veggie, AKA Starfish
<Fortunately, I've learned to subconsciously filter double posts>
But can you filter out TRIPLICATE?

DPH: <Trick question for you: what are the functions of government and what's your view of humanity?>
That is a trick question. But first, one must remember that my father was anti-government, bordering on anarchist.
Now that has been said...
I have little faith in humanity. Yeah, my faith in humanity was boosted by 9/11, but just a little.
Government should serve the people, not itself. And I see the governments of the world doing only that. And it is inefficient as HELL. THAT is the part I can't stand.
My IDEAL government is... virtually none. At least, not at a Federal level. State and local is another matter entirely... for the most part.
Businesses shouldn't be able to get away with mistreating their employees or get away with things. So I say the watchdogs for this should be the media. If there are reports that a company is doing bad stuff, make it known and consumers who care will hit them where it counts: Their wallets.
"Public Works" projects, like roads, may need a government to be taken care of, but not a Federal one. County and state governments can do a good enough job.
Defense... Ok, I will admit a centralized government may be needed for that.
And for disputes concerning states.
Welfare: Little. Local, state, or church can take care of that. Everyone who can work should IF they need to (if a man and wife wants one of them to stay home with the kids, he/she should be able to).
But, alas, humans arn't ready for that. And I doubt it will ever be.
So I say stick with what pretty much works...
For now.
<I've heard of conservatives wanting to abolish OSHA, which I firmly believe in.>
Why?

Gunjack: <just demand to know why the next season of TGS'll be up>
Ah... you ask the right questions. Question not the WHEN, but the WHY.
Fire Storm
Sunday, February 10, 2002 02:46:47 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

**Winterwolf enters**

Well I finished working on a web page and I'm starting to feel a little tired but not enough to go to sleep just yet.

Josh> <<Matrix>>: Who makes it?> Toyota <It's the shipping I can't afford.>

Gunjack> <demand to know why the next season of TGS'll be up> Umm why will the next season be up? What do you know? What have you heard? ;P

Shadowrider> <grandfather> My condolences. Just because you weren't there doesn't mean you can't grieve your grandfather's passing. :(

Anyway, time to get some sleep. Bye bye

**Winterwolf exits**

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Sunday, February 10, 2002 09:51:55 AM
IP: 172.183.189.118

Bored today. Did some work, but mostly just sat on my ass. There was some more food shopping at some point. Seems we can't get everything we need at Costco. That means more hiking up stairs with groceries. Lifting things sucks.

I'm a bit frustrated with my transportation class; I can't seem to get the assistance I need on the homework from either friends or professor or TA's.

replies

Fleur: <<What the *$#@ are cooties?>>: What, they don't have cooties in AU? They're little bugs that girls have that guys get by touching them. Of course, they're also little bugs that guys have that girls get by touching them. It's a 4th grade thing, really. <>: Well don't keep me in suspense, what are you talking about? <<too cute to be legal>>: That sounds like a perversion to me. <<The thymus shrinks after puberty, but if you castrate a mouse, their thymus regenerates. That's Fleur's Fun Fact for today! (Just don't ask me how I know this, and why I have experience in this. It will probably unnerve you>>: I think I know where that came from, and you just became even weirder to me. <<31 people have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in>>: Idiots. <<Problem would be FINDING one>>: I know a few. <<Guess which one I prefer?>>: Mac? <<five million dollars can buy LOTS of bags of M&Ms>>: But who really needs that many? <>: You're gonna SPAWN?

Shadowrider: <>: ACK! That is bad. <<my grandfather died suddenly five days ago>>: I'm sorry to hear that. <>: I'm really worried that someone will die while I'm at school. There's just no way I could leave here for any reason. I'm too busy. <<What else will I sacrifice to ambition?>>: I know how you feel. I often wonder that myself, before answering "Everything, silly!" <<sometimes She really appears to have a very bad sense of humor>>: Our first geotech lecture was about why god hates engineers. <<once I happened to have two exams assigned in the same day, at the same time>>: Berkeley is really good about avoiding that. <<did a Italy-Australia all in motorbike>>: I wasn't aware there was a land bridge from Australia to Italy.

David G: <<sorry to disappoint you, but it's a Windows machine>>: Well obviously. I was suggesting a mac in its place. <<Campaign Cartogropher 2 won't run on a Mac>>: And on VPC on a mac it just wouldn't be fast enough. That's cool. <>: They used to make such great machines. What happened?

Patrick: <<I... poked a badger with a spoon.>>: Is that a sin? <<Pavarati is also one of the Three Tenors>>: Isn't that pavaroti?

Christine: <<900 bucks per ticket>>: 900 bucks?! WHy didn't they all just get high class hookers?! They'd have been more entertaining.

The Wizard: <<Sadly, there's only two girls in it, and one of them leads the group>>: Those are great odds for you. <<my life in a nutshell>>: Your life fits in a nutshell? Wow, and I thought I had it bad. <<An evil twin?>>: Yeah the guy from Bloodhound Gang. <<makes me wish I had had a grandmother>>: Some are cool, some are not. <>: I'd pay to see that. <<That's only supposed to happen when I arrange it.>>: I don't suppose you'd tell me when that was, so that I can stop working early. <<Somehow I don't think you see that as being a lot of work>>: No really I do. I hate projects. <<I'm up for another argument if you are>>: So you can lose? ;-) <<most of the time I restart my machine by choice. I could continue to go on after an illegal operation but I find it better to simply restart, clean the slate, make sure my resources are good>>: Or, you could have real protected memory like I do. <<But you do the same when switching machines>>: Yes but that is necessary and intentional, and done because I chose it. <<I'm afraid what the optical laser will do to mutate his saliva culture>>: Mutate into a hairy monster vegetable? <<Should I schedule you in for a nooner?>>: Sounds good to me. <<Has he murdered someone yet?>>: No. Maybe tomorrow. <<Niamhgold hears the resonant sounds of Beavis and Butthead chuckling>>: Oh, sorry about that. <>: I wish my roommate feared me.

Siryn: <<my bf is going to be at the Gathering..I have to be GOOD>>: That's okay, I'm fine with just a picture ;-) <<maybe be Asrial from TGS>>: Woohoo! She's cool.

Spacebabie: <<Forgive me lord for I have sinned>>: Not yet. <<it's name is the Matrix>>: Who makes it? <>: You don't watch much porn, do you? <<What he is just going to lay down and be a footstool?>>: I think you need FS to draw you those pictures. <<You had sex with vegetables?>>: I know women who have. <<My dreams do tend to come true at times>>: Sorry, I'm still here. <<You know I actually did not notice.>>: Bummer. <<Which hair did you get cut?>>: The one on top of my head. <<What did you do after you picked it up?>>: Tossed it in the back seat. <<More lugging up soda in bulk>>: 10 flats! ::flexes muscles::

Fire Storm: <<make our living on the flesh of humans>>: Does that include prostitutes? <<Why?>>: Because its better than a BC. <>: The better stuff costs money though. <<Now I must research that standard>>: There's a reason USB 2.0 isn't accepted yet. <<Then I shall give up computers>>: Why not switch to NIX? <<Only 2?>>: Well, 2 come to mind right away. <<Of course!>>: Even in Angela's four-way. <<most people run from a giant black xenomorph>>: You should send me to find them. <<Say 10 Hail Dells>>: Not while I breathe! <<smash a keyboard with a truck>>: you mean ON a truck, right? <<Must I make diagrams>>: Apparently. Give her some ideas. <<You obviously haven't seen>>: Okay, I haven't been in a while, but I remember no such picture. <<ALMOST be considered a vegetable>>: Those are the worst. <>: Fortunately, I've learned to subconsciously filter double posts 8-)

Green Baron: <>: Its a more valid reason than the current theory floating around. <>: What if his girlfriend had one? <>: And from that you can estimate the ranking of the philosophy department here? <>: I disagree. The suicides are the engineers, the greatest minds of our generation. <<if tehy did have sexual relations, I doubt there would be a twelve year gap>>: Maybe they waited. Maybe there was a biological problem with him or her. <<With a population fo six billion, we coudl afford to have a few couples not doing it. Even two thousand years ago, one couple not doing it would not end the human race>>: Very true. <<It does but we are all conceived with it>>: Doesn't that sounda bit silly to you? If you grew up in a cave (literally) and were raised by wolves and never learned of the original sin or anything else...could you still go to heaven?

DPH: <>: That's probably not the reason. You never see mac users embarrassed about paying a bit more for a machine. Although technically that isn't true anymore. <<The fastest way to get ahead is to take your work home>>: Or not to get assigned any in the first place. <<I'd make a small enough to run off a floppy and I could save the files as *.dll so no person would be the wiser about the contents of my files>>: Except anyone who reads this board. <<From what? Depression or being somewhat closed minded?>>: From his insult. <<I've heard of conservatives wanting to abolish OSHA, which I firmly believe in>>: Hell yeah! OSHA is evil!

Revel: <<It is soooooo nice to be able to sleep in on a Saturday. One of the small joys of life if I do say so myself>>: I agree. <<how can someone make you buy a car you don't want, with your money, I would like an explanation on that one>>: Basically the money is his, but he can't touch it until his dad dies. So when his dad feels useless, he "buys" him something big (like in this case a car), except its with his own money. This is the equivalent of you buying me a birthday present by breaking into my piggy bank. <<As for nothing being better than sex? I responde by saying: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! (ahem) sorry you feel that way>>: Honestly I don't. Some things are better than sex. Like good food. Good food is better than sex, and it can last a lot longer. Sometimes sleeping is better than sex too. But sex is still really fun, and gets my vote as one of the more entertaining activities out there. Even better than bowling.

Gside: <<no bonus points for the band>>: Nope. <>: The amount depends on the female. Sometimes its not enough. <<It seemed to work wather well with mod2>>: That assumes you can explain mod correctly 8-) <<Unicorns allegely only appear to virgins>>: Why? <<Only one out of three>>: I'm three out of three. <<Too bad it's an or>>: I thought of that when I wrote it ;-) <<after childhood, you stop caring about it usually>>: Never! <<And you're not in porn>>: Thank god. <<my mother measured the anal glands of fruit flys in college>>: No wonder you're so weird. <<He'll start in on VirtualPC again>>: Well...nah. The machine that would run VPC fast enough for serious PC art purposes is a bit out of his price range, and in fact that of most art students. But it *can* be done. <<Jesus had a beard>>: Maybe the evil one has a goatee. <<Or you coul remain beautiful for the rest of eternity>>: My money's on the pumpkin. <<Usually it's two males and two females>>: Not in porn. <<Electric or wood burning?>>: Sheep? <<swarms are always intimidating>>: So true. Unless its against my offensive bunkering.

Out.

I'd like to say that everything is okay between me and that !@#$ing little slut.
-Eminem, about Christina Aguilera

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, February 10, 2002 04:11:53 AM
IP: 64.170.153.119

Imzadi> <>: With any luck, I'll find out eventually. But the chances are looking slim.
<<Congrats>>: But no bonus points for the band?
<<To this day I will never understand that sentence>>: This one was heard on Rutgers, between two guys: "Ya gotta pull it up to your bra, you toolbox."
<<They probably require a lot of lube>>: I heard females were allegedly self lubing.
<<Even and odd are very complex concepts>>: It seemed to work wather well with mod2.
<<What is unicorn bait?>>: Unicorns allegely only appear to virgins.
<<Chicks don't like guys who are short or scrawny or geeky>>: Only one out of three. Too bad it's an or.
<<How does that help Lain?>>: I wasn't quite talking to her. It only looked like that because of my commenting syntax.

Fleur> <<What the *$#@ are cooties?>>: It's a disease acquired from contact with the opposite sex. After childhood, you stop caring about it usually.
<<I'm actually a seven-foot hermaphrodite>>: And you're not in porn?
<<Just don't ask me how I know this, and why I have experience in this. It will probably unnerve you>>: Eh, my mother measured the anal glands of fruit flys in college. I can take such information second hand easily.

Shadowrider> <<You never know>>: No, I don't.
<<they are just waiting one year to let them out only to maximize the commercial income>>: And to finish postproduction.
Condolences about your grandfather.

David G.> <<Campaign Cartogropher 2 won't run on a Mac>>: Don't say that. He'll start in on VirtualPC again.

Niamhgold> <<who drag Super Smash Melee along>>: You seen Daisy's third eye?
<<An evil twin?>>: But Jesus had a beard.
<<you haven't made any appearances yet, and you've been here longer than either of us>>: I chalk that up to a combination of laziness and cheapness.
<<How about the classic bob?>>: Not often. It's not worth it to fight it.
<>: Or you coul remain beautiful for the rest of eternity.
<<Eating bananas!>>: No kumquats? What about kiwis?

Spacebabie> <>: Usually it's two males and two females, otherwise there might be some bisexuality involved. Or, if one doesn't mind, there's usually a free hand somewhere.
<<First it?s the three way with Brooklyn then it?s the three-way with Lex>>: Better.

Fire Storm> <<Well, it would have worked! They DID need money, after all!>>: More than a place to live? It's usually better to find another before getting out of a lease.
<<It removed hunger for a while>>: And I thought there might be some magical properties. Oh well.
<>: Electric or wood burning?
<<Hiding in the grinder... won't they ever learn?>>: They don't usually get the chance.
<<Why?>>: They're more fun. And swarms are always intimidating.
<<And Lemon Pepsi tastes like Lemon Pledge smells>>: Thank you. I must wonder why restaurants insist on putting lemons in diet, other than a visual difference for the servers.

DPH> <<a special text editor program that writes the files in binary format>>: All your files are in binary format. I'd love to see you get trinary.
<<I'll have to think about that>>: Probably a good idea, but I don't think that was me.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, February 10, 2002 03:04:31 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

It is soooooo nice to be able to sleep in on a Saturday. One of the small joys of life if I do say so myself.

Josh- First off, how can someone make you buy a car you don't want, with your money, I would like an explanation on that one. As for nothing being better than sex? I responde by saying: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! (ahem) sorry you feel that way. ;)

Lain- maybe you will win ten more dollars at the lottery, then you will have money for you and rat food.

Jan- Boy scouts, huh, I was never a boy scout but I'm just as resourceful, have to be when you drive what I drive.

Lexy- now if I were a reeeeeeal stinker I would go the site and put in the vote and insert the e-mails of my frineds who don't even know what the CR is. ]:)

"I have been treated with less than full honor. We should become intoxicated." He hicupped. "Correction. We are intoxicated. Let us continue the state."
-Kirha, Wing Commander: Freedom Flight-

later

Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Saturday, February 9, 2002 09:47:26 PM
IP: 129.120.230.108

Ok, I am looking for some help. I have 20 scenarios for an old RPG, but I need help with creating a plot to tie them all together. I have descriptions for all of them available. Email me at dph_of_rules@yahoo.com if interested. 100 cybercookies if you can figure out what I am NOT telling you.

David G - <I feel slightly ashamed that I'm buying a Gateway. I intend to cover up the litle cow logo with a NERV logo symbol if I can find one. It's just that Gateway is running a big sale, and I'm getting this one for about $100 less than any comprable machine.> Wait a minute: I am using a Gateway and there is no reason to feel ashamed for being a more expensive machine.

Shadowrider - <What else will I sacrifice to ambition?> Your entire life. The fastest way to get ahead is to take your work home.

Fleur <Guess which one I prefer?> Intimadition?

Imzadi - <Despite much worrying and hoping, I am, in fact, not dead.> Darn. Wait a minute, ::consults a database:: it wasn't your time yet. <Wednesday night I was trying to open my password application (basically, a database program that stores passwords, serial numbers, etc). But since it was a really crappy REALbasic app, it sucks. My roommate looked at it and said "I could write something better than that tonight". 30 minutes after I posted, he had a working beta of a new password application, written in Cocoa, that doesn't suck. I'm sure he'll be distributing it for free. Of course, it lacks some basic features, like password protection and ecryption, but since the app is only on my computer and my Silver Tower is quite impenetrable, and my passwords are quite safe. Today. Tomorrow I'll ask him to implement password protection.> That reminds me about wanting to write a special text editor program that writes the files in binary format. I'd make a small enough to run off a floppy and I could save the files as *.dll so no person would be the wiser about the contents of my files.

Imzadi - <DPH, how will you ever recover!?> From what? Depression or being somewhat closed minded? <Memorizing the formula can save you a LOT of time. Plus, derivations can be screwed up bigtime.> Yes, knowing the formula can save you time. With every formula, you do need to memorize a few values. I can derive the formula for determining the measure of any angle in a regular polygon because I know a few values.

Gside - <Havin a dark side isn't about hating. Hate isn't nearly as scary as indifference.> I'll have to think about that.

Fire Storm - Trick question for you: what are the functions of government and what's your view of humanity? I've heard of conservatives wanting to abolish OSHA, which I firmly believe in.

Green Baron - I consider some of your beliefs wrong, but that makes us even. <I'm gald you're not angry with me> I do need some help in defending my morals from time to time so it helps to have an ally.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, February 9, 2002 08:15:37 PM
IP: 204.94.193.40

GB: << Patrick> <<I've never prayed to a patron saint of anything.>> You're loss. >> Your opinion. I certainly don't feel like I'm missing anything.

Siryn: Pavarati is also one of the Three Tenors. ;)

Early room wipe today... don't forget to check last week's room for the Disney link to vote for Gargoyles on DVD.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 9, 2002 08:13:06 PM
IP: 66.72.203.41

Nods to Mooncat -- 13th.
silvadel
Saturday, February 9, 2002 07:33:38 PM
IP: 216.164.40.154

Good evening or afternoon to all you stateside folks.

Not to much to talk about. Seems most discussion has ended. I wonder if I should bring in my theory about the Inquisition being used because its so cold in the European winter and burning people is a good way to stay warm. Nah! Maybe not ;)

Lain> Good and evil is a good ocnflict. It is the basis for Ravenloft after all ;)

DPH> I doubt I could be so open minded taht I woudl ever allow brains to spill out,a fter all, I make demented jokes about the Inquisition. I'm gald you're not angry with me for I admit looking back I got a bit heated. I think Clinton shoudl have been kicked out of the Baptist Church and I wanted his mother (who was Catholic) excommunicated just for giving birth to him, even after she died, but I was more partisan in that time. I still wnat Ted Kennedy excommunicated. I understand your view on abortion, but I would rather work on the root fo teh problema nd changing the national mentality (abortions started to increase at huge growth rates right before Roe v Wade). I would however disown my son if he became an abortion "doctor".

I still think you were a bit insulting and I'm glad I don't have my past predjudices towards your faith as I've met soem great friends who are Southern Baptist and I do like how alot of them vote. I also think JC Watts should be President one day.

Gside> Well, you are encourage to donate a penny or two to light a candle an dthat si to help pay for the candles. More a generosity thing, since the candles don't last forever.

Spacebabie> South Park was pretty much irreverent and not offensive, though very funny in any case. I do like how they have pissed off so many PC types an dtehy're jabs at Clinton.

Imzadi> OK, I knwo littel about Berkely, but I tend to think of either hippies or scientists when I think of Berkely, plus I know the Unabomber went there and was very intelligent, though he had enviorenmental views to rival Al Gore's.

<<MIT has the 4th rated poly sci department in the country, and they have the highest suicide rate in the world>> Small loss.

<<The best philosophy school wouldn't be organized around a religion, because religion itself is inherently one-sided on things like ethics. >> Jesuits would surprise you. Plus I think most of Loyola's faculty was non-Catholic.

<<So its a way of hedging your bets? Weak. >> No. It's a matter of help and inspiration. They are pretty much on a level with Joseph, Moses, King David, and Isiah.

<<He wasn't supposed to be "radical". That's the funniest part. He was just a good guy.>> He did rock the boat and got executed for it.

<<What logic are you following here? I know lots of kids that are separated by more than 12 years from their siblings. And if Mary was only 18 when Jesus was concieved/born, then there's plenty of time for her to have other kids later.>> Well, if tehy did have sexual relations, I doubt there would be a twelve year gap. Birth control was not very effective back then, especially natural stuff which ain't too hot now. It is a moot point as we will never agree on this, anyway.

<<What makes them so special?>> Those guys are some of the best known anti-Catholic fundamentalist preachers out there. Siryn is someone I like and respect and by no meand in that company.

Granted those folks remind me of what Bishop Sheen said that only a small number of people hate Catholicism and the rest hate what they think Catholicism is.

<<Yes. You are deeply screwed up.>> Aren't we all.

<<Do you want humans around? Then its required>> With a population fo six billion, we coudl afford to have a few couples not doing it. Even two thousand years ago, one couple not doing it would not end the human race.

<<Don't confuse the philosophy department with the 800,000,000 liberal minded hippies to walk out of here. Most of them are english or ethnic studies majors.>> WE jsut have the humanities department at Loyola that we call bleeding heart hippies and Woodstock reruns, though they call the Business school a bunch of soul less money grabbers. Now Loyola has an excellent Business school.

Patrick> <<I've never prayed to a patron saint of anything.>> You're loss.

<< thought this phrase refers to Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. But I could be wrong.>> It does but we are all conceived with it.

Siryn> <<Bernadette was going to be my 'confirmed' name>> Bernadette was the name of one of my Catholic schoolgirl scouts. Mine is Robert after St. Robert Bellarmine, then I learned he was the Jesuit Cardinal who held Gallileo under house arrest. Its amazing how distorted that event has become in the history books.

Assimilate is a godo owrd or absorb. I met a Jain who had a picture of the Virgin Mary and included her with Vishna among hsi favoirtes. Of course, he also liked my Apu accent, though throwing peanuts at Ganesh may anger soem Hindus ;)

I watch the Simpsons too much. I understand the part about Mary as teh Motehr figure but didn't know about her equivalent. I know Gandhi though about becoming a Catholic. Maybe Mary and Jesus were among his personal favorites.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Saturday, February 9, 2002 06:37:27 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Well, pooh... Number 11 *^_^*

Heh, guess I'll have to start checking the CR during the day on Saturdays.

MC
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:48:43 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Hmm. Waking up due to hunger isn't a good sign. But the good news is I have almost completely eaten all of my cornbread containing haberno peppers.

Top 10?
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:35:57 PM
IP: 204.94.193.46

In the words of the immortal Rammstein:

NEIN!
Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:35:47 PM
IP: 64.170.153.119

10 ! ...or who knows :)
MrWho
Vienna
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:35:04 PM
IP: 193.171.84.30

8th?

Siryn> Of course you can use the link! I'm not sure if Lexy got it from my pages or not, but I got it from Epantiras. Damn, now I feel bad about not posting the link here and at S8 right after I found out about it. Oh well, I figured someone would come across it eventually.
Vashkoda
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:28:42 PM
IP: 129.98.122.194

Hmm... Well... um...
That post was SO important that I thought you should read it twice!
Fire Storm
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:24:36 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Gside: <Largos>
Well, it would have worked! They DID need money, after all!
<Sounds like a plan. I forget, what does unicorn steak get you?>
It removed hunger for a while.
<And is the filet any different?>
Just as nice and tender is a filet mignon.
<So which is the best fish to use, and which fish gets you shot on the spot?>
Sadly, I didn't take that class. I took the class on how to make a better sheep.
<I'd think some hide in the grinder. The rest they vacuum up.>
Ah. Hiding in the grinder... won't they ever learn?
<I'd hold out for a Carrier>
Why?
<Hot zoo action>
Farm Fresh action! Click now! FREE! (Credit card required)

Imzadi: 
Same. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't a local problem.
<It is. Very>
Aww! I don't WANT to wait!
<But you get what you pay for...>
I see some pretty good free stuff.
<My friend nico keeps hoping for a firewire vibrator, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you>
Hmm... Now I must research that standard.
<And then what?>
Then I shall give up computers.
*FS manages to keep from laughing for an entire second before breaking out in laughter*
<Ah, I can't. That's why I never take the pepsi challenge>
I can tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi, UNLESS it is from a soda fountain.
And Lemon Pepsi tastes like Lemon Pledge smells.
<Spoken like a true republican>
Ah, they are usually for MORE government. I say the best one is a government as small as possible.
<That could imply two different things>
Only 2?
<Sounds like the tag line of a bad movie>
I wonder if it has been used...
<But there's always room for jello>
Of course!

Fleur: <Problem would be FINDING one>
I can find at LEAST one locally. And they are usually easy to sniff out.
BUT most people run from a giant black xenomorph, so that isn't usually a good idea.

David G: <But it's still a gateway. I may never recover from the shame>
It's simple! Say 10 Hail Dells, 6 Holy Linus, and smash a keyboard with a truck.

Niamhgold: 
Which is the one main reason I like it so much!
<In any case...I'd love to see stills of your work>
Renders? Hmm... did I save any renders? I just cared about making the wireframes. Renders were a secondary thought.
<Jay was very, very happy to hear that...thanks!>
I was happy too! I was reading an article about Mods and it mentioned a free version of Max!

Spacebabie: 
*Sigh* Must I make diagrams?
<What he is just going to lay down and be a footstool?>
You obviously haven't seen the Demona and Bronx pic from the adult GFW!
<You had sex with vegetables?>
Well, there was this one girl that could ALMOST be considered a vegetable...
Fire Storm
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:09:43 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

sorry.. that was me at 6th
Daphne
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:05:34 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

...
Anonymous
Saturday, February 9, 2002 05:05:04 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

*raises an eyebrow*

Fifth??
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Saturday, February 9, 2002 04:44:28 PM
IP: 145.254.93.138

I claim this top ten spot for all of us that make our living on the flesh of the humans!
...
Um... ignore that, ok?
Fire Storm
Saturday, February 9, 2002 04:38:48 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

*erases previous post* make that 3rd. hehe
Jan and baby Zach
Saturday, February 9, 2002 04:37:39 PM
IP: 12.110.237.95

Four!
Jan and baby Zach
Saturday, February 9, 2002 04:36:56 PM
IP: 12.110.237.95

Odd time for a room wipe, but... TOP TEN! Probably number 2. Maybe 3.
Alan Coleman Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Saturday, February 9, 2002 04:35:08 PM
IP: 24.116.93.43

TOP TEN
Forgive me lord for I have sinned.
There is an SUV that I want, yes a Stupid Useless Vehicle and it's name is the Matrix
Firestorm<<<Na. Four-way. Gotta include Lex.>>>I wonder how you manage that?<<<Or Bronx! ;) >>>What he is just going to lay down and be a footstool?<<<And flesh is ALWAYS better than veggies!>>>You had sex with vegetables?

Winter wolf<<>>My dreams do tend to come true at times.

Thorn<<<the world is a giant burrito and I’m just a damn guppy!!>>> Welcome to the CR Thorn. I’d ask you to deposit your sanity into the jar but it appears that you have already done that.

Gside<<<So why does Lex get left out?>>>First it’s the three way with Brooklyn then it’s the three-way with Lex.

Josh<<>>You know I actually did not notice.<<<but I was able to get around to a hair cut>>> Which hair did you get cut? :::Self Baps herself:::<<<pick up a book>>>What did you do after you picked it up?<<<and go to Costco.>>>More lugging up soda in bulk.<<<some a-hole smashed the entire side view mirror off my roommate's BMW.>>>Whoa that sucks<<<Ya know, when I read this…>>>I know Winter wolf had the same reaction.<<<Jesus had morning wood? Wow, he really was just like everyone else>>>Yes that was the point I was making<<<Perhaps, but did you have to make the males watch?>>>I didn’t make you guys watch anything. If you watched its cause you wanted too.

Shadow rider :::Hugs I’m sorry to hear about your Grandfather.

Niahmgold<<<Ooh...Dalmatians? Oh, wait, cats. Darn.>>> Pongo is a Dalmatian. Patch is a mutt, part Terrier I have dogs and cats.
Spacebabie
Orlando
Saturday, February 9, 2002 04:31:06 PM
IP: 67.24.16.81