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Of course if the decision takes it well past midnight eastern time I might be 17th or 23rd anyway.
silvadel
Sunday, March 3, 2002 12:23:10 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Hit Submit too soon.

MOONCAT> Hey, hey. Patrick is not Sauron; I am! ;) Damn I just gave away my identity. Oh well. I am still in the process of recruiting nine new Nazgul. I've already got seven ;)

SIRYN> Thanks, my staff and I will surely appreciate it :)

FLEUR> Oh, c'mon. How come I wasn't in your little story? You'd get a wealth of material from me.

JOSH> <<Be careful, he might hold you to it.>> Well, he didn't post that night so I don't have to give him $20. But I guess paying $15 for an anecdote he and I can share is enough for a long time. <<NO! We do NOT want a cop at Gathering!>> We've got a four day con planned. Three days of everything you've come to expect and the fourth day for getting bailed out of jail ;)
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, March 2, 2002 11:05:45 PM
IP: 216.179.2.215

MOONCAT> Hey, hey. Patrick is not Sauron; I am! ;)
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, March 2, 2002 10:58:35 PM
IP: 216.179.2.215

hello Starlight/AngelOne/Anonymous,

I talk to a lot of Gregs. I fail to remember the conversation you speak of. I also don't know who you are currently speaking too, or about.

Patrick -- Ooo... Sauron you devil! If there's any binding going on, can mine be in black leather? *pulls out her rings* *^_~*

Well, must get back to the writing thing. Powder snow everywhere outside... sigh. Don't want to go running in it. High of 25 tomorrow, low of 9. Definately don't want to go running in that. Dang. Going to have to do the exercise thing in a Mall or something. sigh...

ciao mi amigos
*blows kitty kisses*
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Mooncat
Saturday, March 2, 2002 10:56:05 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

I am "the one"?

Well, in that case... :: rounds up all the anonymous posters and flamer baiters and "in the darkness, binds them" ::

There... much better.

:: bounces off ::
Patrick Toman
Saturday, March 2, 2002 10:47:36 PM
IP: 66.72.200.140

*ahem* Excuse me ... Greg who?
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, March 2, 2002 10:38:09 PM
IP: 216.234.98.143

One day Mooncat was talking to Greg. He told her that he wanted to take Ravyn to the dance.
Anonymous - [Omal Fay@aol.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 10:06:18 PM
IP: 64.12.106.36

I also noticed the use of TGS in Kimberley's crossover story (Hayden's mention of "On Holiday" is particularly appropriate, since Prongs in it was a fairly obvious Harry Potter take-off); it isn't often that one sees elements from "TGS: Pendragon" in Gargoyles fanfic, I must admit, which made it stand out all the more. (I sometimes wonder what Emrys thinks of the Harry Potter craze.)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 2, 2002 08:54:57 PM
IP: 63.183.39.159

STARLIGHT> Hello, welcome to the CR. I should inform you that this is not a chat room, it's a Comment Room.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, March 2, 2002 08:50:43 PM
IP: 216.179.6.33

Patrick you are the one

Anonymous - [Angels0ne@aol.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 08:39:10 PM
IP: 64.12.106.48

HI!! Patrick Toman
It's nice to met you.

Starlight - [Angels0ne@aol.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 08:33:27 PM
IP: 64.12.106.48

Hi!! to all of
Starlight - [Angels0ne@aol.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 08:24:54 PM
IP: 64.12.106.48

Phew -- I had forgotten about the Saturday TGS Chatroom reset.... Figured I was going to get 17th or 23rd again but it hadnt reset yet...
silvadel
Saturday, March 2, 2002 06:31:48 PM
IP: 208.59.247.8

*Warpmind strolls in, looking... as though he's found Conclusion to something...*
Well, ladies, gents and regulars, that was it. Grandfather's funeral was a nice one, with magnificent weather; he would have appreciated the day, were he still among us...

Gside: There's a fine possibility you offer on the concept of human/orc and human/elf interbreeding, except: orckin and elfkin are NOT barren, as are the mules, hence, the theory is flawed.

Greg B: You say, in your own words, that it is concievable that Orcs and Elves can interbreed. *Rubs temples* My dear, good comrade... could you PLEASE take another look at that sentence? };)

Christine: My question is answered. But out of curiosity, for how *long* has the interbreeding been possible? Oh, and I'll get to the AvMists as soon as I can... Slightly sad to see you go; but it's been a good, long run, aye?

Well, that about concludes my catch-up post, as there does not seem to be much that I desire to get caught up in right now. (And my sister's nagging about getting the computer, much like a broke record... "Move... move... move...") So I'll see y'all later.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, March 2, 2002 04:30:05 PM
IP: 193.217.139.245

i remember that there were starcraft players in here so...

i (ilegally) recieved a copy of the war craft 3 beta. if anyone wants a copy ill send it to you (takes a few hours) and we can play.

cant play on bnet cause of cd key issues. ill have to send you a crack so that you can bypass the question for the cd key. you can still play on 3rd person servers.

so , if anyone is interested, im looking forward to find people to play with.
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 03:11:13 PM
IP: 12.243.91.175

Damn, take a vacation for a few days and see what I missed, I need a scorecard to keep up.

Christine> Hey, I just checked out the latest AV Mists and I loved it. I wanted to contribute some stuff but, I suck at deadlines. On the other hand It sucks to see you go, but at least you left it in capable hands and, I wish you luck in your future endavors.

Stephen Sobokta> Good luck on AV mists, bro I hope I have something to give to you.

Siryn> Shoot you? Okay, I still my old Super Soaker in my Dodge ;)

Thomas> Ah, Yes Pachino does rule and I did love him in Devil's Advocate. Who ever thought that he could play the devil so well >:)

Josh> Well, basically, I had a few beta-readers who should have caught those mistakes. Looks like, I got some work to look over. :(

Crzy> Nice piccie btw ;)

Um, is that it? Yeah, I think it is until, then citzens.

---

Sugu raku ni shite yaru. (I will soon end your pain.)

IX9

Invsi Xavier - [tjarred@hotmail.com]
The City, of, Eternal sin
Saturday, March 2, 2002 02:51:17 PM
IP: 24.189.100.203

Crzy/Patrick: <If anyone is interested in hosting a Gathering, I am sure Patrick and I can supply you with financial details that will sear out your eyes>
YES! YES! PLEASE!
So you have completed the financial documents? Last I heard they were still being processed and I would be sent them when done.
Well, my email is jeremycbcd at usa.net

Gside: <Anything I can do. Though I should probably take a couple off that haven't updated in a good while>
Warp 9 to Hell comes to mind...
And I fear Sexy Losers may be next.
<And so once more, I wish you luck in your continuing endeavor, if in a different aspect.>
Thanks. The best news she said so far is that I have excellent credit.
<That is the recipe to which I was referring. Remember, it is cake spelled with a K>
True, I keep forgetting. Don't forget a nice glass of milk to wash it down with. Or Lemonade.
<Myself and Fire Storm are examples>
You mean Imzadi, right?

Imzadi: <Would he have preferred you had your teeth pulled there?>
No, apparently I guess they wanted me there on Vicodin while walking off a Demoral drip.
<Unless thy neighbor is a hot chick, in which case be fruitful and multiply>
Yes, for the condom is a tool of the devil (for his tool)
<Campers?>
Those annoying people that post a bid at the last minute and win a auction.
(Granted, I do that a lot too, but I don't want it to happen to me! :)
<Of your sex life?>
No, I allow those. It's the killing people, living a life of crime thoughts that I hold back.
But I often wonder why...
<Just out of curiosity, do you know exact addresses or just areas?>
Depends. If they have a static IP, it is usually registered to them.
My current one lists me as being in New York, while my old one told WAY too much.
As for "The Watcher," it simply is a dial-up that lists his/her/hir ISP.
My work lists the exact address too.
GIVEN, if I cared enough, I am sure there is a way to narrow it down.
<No, I don't, and truth be told I really don't give a rats ass>
Ah, I posted it for you AND Jan. Didn't think you would care too much.

Are you saying the one way trip in a shuttle cab ISN'T worth $30? ;)

Green Baron: <In New Orleans, I coudl set up an active team of people using just $4.00 a day in transportation>
I figure that transportation is the easy part to figure out!

Siryn: <We're keeping a cost booklet too, if you'd like a copy (when this whole thing is over) I'll be happy to send you one.>
Please do!
<Heh..I think you're a little under>
Well, I am currently just estimating. IF get the $1500 a day place and Greg is the only person we can afford, I don't think $6000 is low.
GIVEN, I am counting the dinner as a seperate entity, and that alone would be a good, what, $2K-$3K, right? Hmm... if $30 a plate and 100 people...
...
Let me check my notes...
At least the dinner, in the end, will be self-sufficient.
<Every little bit helps!>
LM and I are bringing her sister
(and, we WILL make it this year.)

Leo: <Oh yeah, I think the CR rules say I have indicate that this is a "plug"?>
TECHNICALLY, no, it wasn't a plug (because a plug is for your own stuff), but it was a posting of something that added nothing to a conversation and wasn't supposed to start a conversation.
But, you know, since many in here like Evil Dead and that's not all you post (I mean, don't JUST post links and nothing else), I don't think most people would mind or care.
(It is cool, isn't it?)
Fire Storm
Saturday, March 2, 2002 02:44:25 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Oh yeah, I think the CR rules say I have indicate that this is a "plug"?

****** WARNING: EVIL DEAD PLUG ********
Leo
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:59:42 PM
IP: 172.160.216.85

Josh> sorry about that

Links to "Evil Dead - Book of the dead Limited Edition"

At AMAZON:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005RYLE/qid=1015090668/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-2825575-9220710

(got all that?)

At Anchor Bay web site:
http://www.anchorbayentertainment.com/evildead/botd.asp
Leo
Yorktown, VA, USA
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:52:46 PM
IP: 172.160.216.85

Gah... wrong Gathering site link... I am a doofus.

Half off on G2001 t-shirts and calendars at:
http://gathering.art-chicks.com/

Or click my name. :: posts the right one this time ::

Patrick Toman
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:39:47 PM
IP: 66.72.200.140

Gathering expenses > Well, the hotel by far is the biggest budget item, and that includes not only the rental of the meeting space, but also catering, rooms for guests, parking, A/V, labor charges, plus the obligatory taxes, fees, and gratutities. And oh yeah... a hotel likes to be paid up front for about 90% of this stuff... starting 6 to 8 months in advance when the contract is signed. After the hotel, some of the other major budget items are guest airfare, per diems, insurance, advertising costs, supplies for things like con badges and programs, printing of t-shirts and other collectables, photocopying, miscellaneous office supplies, postage, permits and taxes, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

Gee... I feel like the King of Siam now. :P But yes... it takes a lot of WORK and a lot of MONEY to make a convention happen, and a lot of the effort and expense goes toward "small" things many people never really think about. After my experience with G2001, I'm still thanking my lucky stars for Pepsi, Tylenol, and credit cards, as well as the terrific group of people we had on our con staff.

And now if I may make a seque... The Gathering of the Gargoyles still has some G2001 t-shirts and souvenir year 2002 calendars left, available now at HALF PRICE on a first-come, first-serve basis. Whether you didn't make it to the con, or whether you were there and just didn't get a chance to pick up a t-shirt or a calendar... this is the last chance to get one or the other (or both) before they're gone for good. Click my name for more details. :)
Patrick Toman
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:37:16 PM
IP: 66.72.200.140

AvMists > thanks for the feedback, folks. I couldn't have done it without all the great people sending in their work. The quality of stuff lately has been just fantastic. I hope to enjoy AvMists for a long while yet to come, as a reader this time!

Fleur > no apologies necessary; I understood the spirit of the first post. It's appreciated, thank you.

Stephen > looks good; best of luck!

Lexy > pretty quick mood swings there ... ; )

On a light note > heard a Jack in the Box commercial yesterday on the radio starring our own dear Thom ... would have known it was him even without the distinctive voice because of the line, "because, you silly, I'm not WEARING any pants!" And the other day, bizarrely, I saw 3 back-to-back commercials on TV that all featured Keith's voice work. Armed forces, UPS, and AT&T. Way to go, Keith!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:09:17 PM
IP: 64.24.214.184

*sighs holding an email*

One more thing..I make mistakes sometimes..I appologise and please bear with me..I'm sorry for all the mistakes last night..I was just really trying to get all the updates out on time and keep everyone up to date.. :'(

The winner for the G2003 bid will be announced April 1st 2002 not 2003.

The deadlines for T-shirt and Calendar contests are March 20th. (this month) Not may.

*sighs and walks out to check the rest of her email...*
Siryn
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:00:23 PM
IP: 138.89.90.37

DPH > Cheap exercises? Sure. I use dumbells for basic strength. If you get the kind with plates they can grow with you and you only need buy as much weight as you need at a time. And floor exercises for flexability and mobility. A good non slip mat will probably set you back about $20.00 but it's well worth it. For guidance I like the Yoga Zone series of videos. You can get them through Amazon but I bought several of mine at Target. They have many available including a specialized workout for back and abs. I have the ab DVD, I haven't bought the back one yet. They have two twenty minute workouts each that you can do singly or in combination. Convenient for when you're pressed for time. The DVDs run about $10.00 each. I also have a book "Complete Stretching" by Maxine Tobias and John Patrick Sullivan that I use quite a bit. I'm sure that there are many on line resources as well. Oh, and one last thing, they don't seem to have a website, but The Georgia Back Institute published a terrific ad in the AJC several years ago called "How to Fight a 'Back Attack'". It suggested you could write for more information. Or call. Their 800 number is 1 800 819 BACK. And the mailing addy is Georgia Back Institute 303 Parkway NE Atlanta, GA 30312. And standard disclaimer. Since you're actually still under medical supervision check with your doctor or chiropractor before starting any exercise program. Best of luck.
kathy
Saturday, March 2, 2002 11:55:58 AM
IP: 66.32.110.191

Heh...in respect to those of authority, I will not post my thoughts on the 'story'.

Gside> Re Croatoan> That was actually one of the finalist names too! ^_^;; We'll SEE...I might draw one for 'fun' but..Siryn having 'fun' time these days is few and far between. (I'm currently working on mascot design sheets)

3 Months to the Convention!!
(someone..shoot me now..:>)

Christine> Great Avalon mists! *applauds* I like Becca's 'Fluffy Bronx!!' Very cute! :D

Firestorm> Re gathering Costs> Heh..I think you're a little under. ^_^;;; We're keeping a cost booklet too, if you'd like a copy (when this whole thing is over) I'll be happy to send you one. -_-;;

Needless to say..these things DO cost mula (Hotel budget, flying in guests, basic costs and expenses)..now..if we had MORE people attend the conventions..obviously the prices would go down..but we're a small convention. <:) (although I'm bringing three friends (at least two!) new people to the con! ;D Every little bit helps!)

Blah..but yes..conventions = money + time. If you don't want to work, Don't sign up!

Oh, and whoever said The Gathering staff were the leaders of the fandom..I personally don't believe that..I believe we have to ANSWER to the FANDOM. (Cause..guess who everyone hates if something goes wrong.. :/)

(I think I've joked with Jenn and Patrick before that stepping up to be a convention chair is like committing social suicide in the fandom.. O.o;;;;; Of course..that's me being majorly cynical)

Website updated, all kinds of goodies, more for monday!!

Support our fandom! ;D

Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 11:49:49 AM
IP: 138.89.90.37

*sighs* Well, when my hubs the Cubmaster called the Camporee off yesterday, we thought he was nuts because it was a balmy 54 degrees at suppertime. However, it starts sleeting around 5:30 this morning, so I expect there's a lot of happy Scouts and parents that are glad that he canceled.

AvMists>> Haven't had much time to look at everything but Michael's cartoons are funny as always and made me nostalgic for Mad Magazine. Christine's story about Leo going to the dentist was a hoot but I really liked Kimberly Towles' story about Hagrid going to the magic shop and meeting Lucy. (Okay, it may be selfish but it was thrilling to be reading along and suddenly realize that "Hey! Somebody actually read "On Holiday" and noticed the little details!") Thanks so much for writing that story, Kimberly!

Of course, now I'm torn between finishing my HP story or that Graham/Lucy epic that's been on my computer for most of the year. Oy.....
Spike
Saturday, March 2, 2002 08:59:43 AM
IP: 64.216.237.203

:: On an outdoor setting, musical fanafare palyes as Christine Morgan walks forward with the Avalaon Mists banner. The music plays to a differnet tune as she hands the banner to Steven Sobotka. The music begins palying to a slightly differnet tune as the Webzine gains new command::

How is that for a Change of Command ceremony?

Fleur> You're right. We did let this event overshadow something far more important.

Petronius> I've been backed up since training. I haven't read the new season of TGS yet.

JEB> Maybe I should work on a description of our pocket domain. I'll e-mail you with more info.

Kathy> YOu can call me Thomas, GB, cutie, sweetcheeks :)

I understand the improtance of private worship, but Mass is also a community prayer and centered on a sacrament. To me, the ritual is an essential ingredient like eggs are to cake or milk is to ice cream. I coudl also just watch Mass from TV, if I got Mother Angelica's channel, but it defeats the purpose of Community. In a sense my assignment here coudl count as a dispensation and I guess having the flag detail can also be a dispensation.

<<But I also get that when everything becomes about ritual real faith tends to fall by the wayside.>> I would agree, but I don't think we have reached that stage. Besides, completely abandoning ritual and keeping too basic creates abominations like Puritans. I see your point about ritaul and realf aith going, liek a Unitarian minsiter being asked to delivery an Eatser sermon without mentioning Jesus. I think something got lost there.

Fleur> <<Eh, you may be in a group there. ;)> I think I'm the only love triangle example in here.

Frankly, I don't see you as a ranting she bitch at all.

Lexy> How many death on highway videos involve cars with Firestone tires :)

DPH> I think DisHarmony is up to something, which si why I can't see certain sites. Or maybe its a stupid secuirty measure on my DoD computer. My computer is also a piece of antiquated crap too.

Selanit> I'm not surprised that workers are on strike. Unions are too dman powerful in Europe. The Ducth military is Unionized so they could go on strike during a war. I would love to fire a tear gas cansiter right into a picket line.

That is really cool that you know Anne McCaffrey. I woudl love to go to Ireland and I now have a really good shot at it. The only downside is how expensive the isles are. As for Dublin and NYC, I liek big cities. It is small towns and suburbs that drive me loco after a few weeks. Istanbul's beauty was in its big city atmosphere and teh 3 millenia of history.

Gside> <<Eh, they were just mercenaries. I don't hold it against them. And besides, we're chummy with the Brits now, too.>> We bailed out their sorry Economy in the sixties and let them buy up American businesses, like Pillsbury so they coudl recover. Besides, Maragaret tHatcher, Ronald Reagan and the Pope (his role was best for he saw the depradations of Communism first hand) made a good team in brining down Communism throughout the world, though th same woudl ahve died a slwo death in anotehr few centuries, but we sped up teh process and savd millions of lives from the Soviet Empire's grip.

Fire Storm> Depending on where a Gathering is, it can be cheap in some regards. In New Orleans, I coudl set up an active team of people using just $4.00 a day in transportation. The real trouble is getting everything else ready.

Imzadi> <> That's why I mentioned it :)

<<Well is that why you're an accountant>> Partially. I also like the thought of being in the Finance Corps, hough I could have joined the AG Corps or Quartermasters and stil be an Office jockey. Plus what kind of outside jobs can an army career in Artillery or Armoury get you. Infantry and special forces can join police forces or be good security guards as well as CIA or other agencies.

<<Is that guy still alive!? >> Define alive ;)

<<Who? I'm gonna guess he's a ravenloft villain.>> Yep,a nd he's a darklord of Barovia. He's also a vampire Count, to help explain the next two jokes.

<<Confident, aren't we?>> But that's a good thing :D

Thomas - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, Germany
Saturday, March 2, 2002 08:45:54 AM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Slacked again today. Handed in my massive 42-page lab report, but other than that I avoid any semblance of work.

Had an interview with the LA Sanitation District. Seems they think I'd be good for their design group. I dunno, so far the most attractive internship is the one that doesn't pay squat...I don't think my parents will react too well to that, but it does put me in my favorite city.

Does anyone else think the admins aren't paying quite enough attention to the CR? Maybe we should have someone who at least has the *time* to post a bit more regularly. I really don't think flame wars should be allowed to go on this long.

I'm still trying to resolve this sleep issue with my tower. Namely, it doesn't wake up from sleep. Of course, I was JUST able to get it to go into deep sleep in the first place a couple days ago. I pulled the SCSI card (they've been known to cause sleep problems), but no dice. Can't figure it out. This summer, I'm gonna do a fresh start and see what I can do about it. Then again, maybe I should just listen to my roommate and forget about it, since I never use the sleep feature anyway.

Thomas: <<This is also teh ebst score I ever received, as I am physically not a model of the standard ARMY grunt>>: Well is that why you're an accountant? <<iS Patrick Toman planning to wirte Dilbert Erotica?>>: I sincerely hope not. That would be scary. <<BTW, is Turkey still up for grabs>>: Not for you. <<Exceutiosn are expensive>>: Only because of appeals... ;-) <<STRAHD VON ZAROVICH>>: Who? I'm gonna guess he's a ravenloft villain. <<Mel Brooks selects him as the subject for his next film>>: How could anyone fear that? <<Sarah Michelle Gellar>>: How could anyone fear that either? <<Master vampire talks in the third person, calls himself the "People's Bloodsucker.">>: LOL! <<Paladin trades his holy avenger for a +4 steel chair.>>: What, no +5 steel chairs? <<plus he can give Strom Thurmond the last rites>>: Is that guy still alive!? <>: I doubt that I'd try. <<You can call me Thomas or cutie>>: Confident, aren't we? <>: Or at least letting him online.

Patrick: <<Just not envisioning that anything good could come of a Wally & Dilbert slash scene>>: The fact that there are NO mildly attractive characters in that entire universe doesn't bode well for the porn-writing community. <<FEBtober!>>: LOL! "Anal bum cover for $200!" "That's 'an album cover', Mr. Connery" <>: No you don't. You might end up like me. The again, I waste time that I don't have.

Shadowrider: <<where is the fun in this?>>: Who said death was fun? <<Once I will have acquired them, we will resume the discussion>>: Call me when that happens. <<a Garg-fan cannot finish a Terran battle without building at least some Goliaths. It is a matter of principle, I think>>: Personally, I go marines or wraiths. <<would you really like the Pope to come in USA and start dictating law to the Congress>>: No, but I'd pay to see him try! <>: You mean you don't think you're a woman?! ;-)

Invsi: <<Which version you reading..there are two versions of it>>: Whichever version is the one that's in the adult fic archive now. <<You also mention stories, have you been reading my stories alll along?>>: I've started reading a few of them. But usually by the second paragraph your grammar has become so awful that its impossible to continue. Use Word and turn on grammar checking.

Jennifer: <<you just sit back and sensationalize it all.>>: What did i do now? <>: Wow, I must have been good. <<Sounds like you are just jealous cuz the voices only talk to him!>>: Not quite...I have my own voices. <<the pic I did for Patrick and Kathy!>>: Nice! <<financial details that will sear out your eyes>>: Nice try. I've seen my mother's credit card bill. Nothing scares me like that did. Except perhaps clowns. And the thought of certain CR members having sex (they don't get invited to the orgies).

Siryn: <>: Kinky.

Kaioto: <<I'm worried about the danger of soiling myself laughing>>: It was rather funny. <<Did you read Foxtrot the other day?>>: Nope. Link me? <<follow the bouncing IP address>>: They rarely "bounce". <>: He might have gotten away with it if it wasn't for us darn kids! <<DumlaoX would have people's heads on pikes decorating his lawn>>: Sadly, we no longer have admins. Or we do, but we never see them. <<this Comment Room was not supposed to be a place to air grievances on others in the fandom>>: It wasn't?! Who knew? <<No flames>>: Blew that one. <<In general, keep it PG-13 or tamer>>: Blew that one too. <<TGS CR Rules>>: There are rules!? <<trust me, from experience, the tools are there>>: Why isn't there a script file to do it? Some sort of web interface for the admins? <<Let slip the dogs of war, me lad. Let slip the dogs>>: He can't. He forgot to cry havoc.

Leo: <<Anchor Bay is releasing a new "Evil Dead" 2>>: Dude, link us to these things!

Revel: <>: Are you sure? I thought you were woman. Nah, just kidding. <<sorry Josh>>: No offense taken. Its not like there aren't many geeks who would KILL for my system. <<wish I could do tha somedays>>: It would be so much less stressful. <<Philosophy paper to write this weekend>>: Oh please. 5 pages double spaced of brain farts, right?

Christine: Good job as editor of AvMists. You shall be mist... ;-)

Petronius: Go for it. Read them. They are well worth it.

JEB: <<You condemn blatant personal attacks, yet what is this entire post but a blatant personal attack?>>: How would someone point out this flaw in a person withOUT it seeming like a personal attack? <<yet your entire post attacks those with a different opinion than your own>>: Again, he can't really decry this in ANY way without sounding hypocritical, so how should he do it?

Mooncat: <<Hi Fred>>: I don't think its him. Too calm. <<

Stephen: Good luck as new editor!

Kathy: <<if you could maybe put the reply on a separate line I think it would help. I know, I'm old. But I know I'm not the only one here with feeble eyes>>: I understand. I'm just very concerned about making my posts even LONGER. Can you imagine if these were spaced out like FS's posts?

Mara: <<This is why we like Jen>>: "We", white man?

Fleur: <<my inner bitch is still in control>>: That time of the month? <<The 5% I do subscribe to is that Doug was/is a liar, and I am a ranting She-bitch>>: You mean you don't really think that I'm a mac user? <>: Only the "everyone wants to kick my ass" thing bothered me. Of couse, I know its not true since there is at least ONE person in this CR who doesn't. <<How many want to harm you in a sexual way?>>: Two or three, by my counts... <<In here, yours are boring.>>: Fair enough.

DPH: <<since you are one of the wealthiest CR dwellers, I wonder if you could spare $4000-$5000 to have a battlebot built to represent the gargoyles fandom>>: I think you think I'm a lot wealthier than I am. And when I find that money...NO!

Sevarius Jr: <<If it's you, Doug, I will shit myself>>: I think many people here would pay to see that. <<That wasn't indignation, the old, "you ain't got nothin' you can prove!" gag>>: Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification. And thank you for not jumping on me like I half expected. <<You're damn right about the arrogant though>>: Well, of course ;-) <<Oddly, I've helped bring the people in the CR *closer together* these past days>>: I don't think I'd say that.

Fire Storm: <<threatening to fire me for taking time off to get my teeth pulled>>: Would he have preferred you had your teeth pulled there? <<Feb SUCKED!>>: Feb always sucks. <<Thanks for making me feel better!>>: Ditto. I thought 15 daily links was bad. <<Love thy neighbor, but not to the point of coveting thy neighbor>>: Unless thy neighbor is a hot chick, in which case be fruitful and multiply. <<The rules are so picky!>>: Only when strung together. <<lousy campers>>: Campers? <>: Of your sex life? <<Nothing like coming home after a hard day at work... and parking a block away>>: Tell me about it. My roommate's car is often parked at least 2 blocks away. Parking in this city SUCKS. <<Ick>>: And this is why I don't look at other people's porn collections ;-) <<Why do you think Lex would be comfortable meeting me?>>: Cuz you're weirder than he is. <>: Just out of curiosity, do you know exact addresses or just areas? <<Have you ever priced a con center or the costs for having a con>>: No, I don't, and truth be told I really don't give a rats ass. It costs me $8 plus gas to go to the LA Auto Show, and that has a hell of a lot more cool stuff than Gathering. Don't get all defensive on me, because I wasn't attacking you, or the con planning committees, or anyone else. I just said it was annoying to pay 100-200% of the price of admission just in transportation. Don't you think that just MAYBE there's a reason I don't join these gathering setup groups?

Selanit: <<Striking is evidently the national pastime in France>>: Lazy surrender monkeys. <<Hey . . . I've been had>>: I hate it when that happens.

Gside: <>: Good job! <<You were yourself>>: yes, but I rarely get beaten for this. <<Battling the pruple helmeted warrior of love, of course>>: What an interesting epithet. <<After all the times they've hacked the big dome?>>: I don't consider those hacks to be warped. <<Any nays?>>: Doesn't look like it. Motion passes! <<personal power armor is very anime>>: Even for hot chicks? <<Mostly up to you>>: In that case, no. I already get bitched at. <>: Ah. Well I think I figured it out anyway. <<you got a mention all on your own, macboy>>: Now I want to wear a shirt with a big blue M on it...or maybe I'll settle for a Big Blue X instead. <<My tiny ego was a bit disappointed>>: Don't be. I think it was supposed to be a compliment NOT to be included. <<The day is mine, Trebek>>: Buck futter! <<But only because he likes it rough. Or at least that's what he said last night>>: No, that's what Trebek's mother said. <<it's all about the vat of boiling sharks>>: I don't think that'd be very deadly.

Alright, see ya'll tomorrow

If Steve [Jobs] put poop on a stick and called it an ergonomic computer control device, Bill [Gates] would have Windows users handling crap all day long.
-iBoast, MacAddict Forum member

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, March 2, 2002 02:57:31 AM
IP: 64.161.25.25

In case anyone was pondering the fate of my DSP exam, I got an 80, which is 10 points above the average. Now I just have to deal with the three exams next week. At least two shouldn't be too bad.

Imzadi> <<Huh!? What'd I do>>: You were yourself.
<<For?>>: Battling the pruple helmeted warrior of love, of course.
<<MIT students? Warped? I don't believe it>>: After all the times they've hacked the big dome? Or maybe you're just being sarcastic.
<<Me too>>: Any nays?
<<Daily I think>>: I think it gets warmish in the summer.
<<She's not anime-ish enough?>>: Perhaps, but there hasn't been many detailed views of her, and she does have purple hair. And personal power armor is very anime.
<<Should I post more like you and FS instead?>>: Mostly up to you.
<<How on EARTH did you do that>>: I choked on it first, which sent it up into my sinuses. While there, it probably tickled a little, causing me to sneeze and expel it through my nose.
<<But why is he called that?>>: Remember, I have no personal experience in these things.
<<Why? You're just as bad as I am>>: Yes, but you got a mention all on your own, macboy. My tiny ego was a bit disappointed.

Thomas> <<yep like the Hessians we fought in the Revolution>>: Eh, they were just mercenaries. I don't hold it against them. And besides, we're chummy with the Brits now, too.

JEB> <<If he was still around, I would guess the CR would be Mr. Dis Connect's domain>>: He's still here. He plays occaisonally with DPH. People just haven't been too annoyed with their connections lately.
Patrick Toman> <<Yes, Mr. Connery?>>: The day is mine, Trebek.

Siryn> <<Mascot Name: Roanoake>>: Right, Wilek, I think it's your job to create a proper Croatoan for this Roanoke. Nothing against the mascot, just need to equalize its karma.

Kathy> <<maybe put the reply on a separate line I think it would help>>: I don't know, it's rather common to keep replies on the same line as the comment to which they refer. Myself and Fire Storm are examples.

Fleur> <<is it possible for somebody who is banned to post under a diferent name?>>: I'm pretty sure it goes by IP, so they could find another connection and even use the same name.
<<is it possible for somebody who is banned to post under a diferent name?>>: Well, I do have a sexual issue. Namely, not getting any, but still, it was just that my ego happened to grab the mic when no one else was looking.
<<How many want to harm you in a sexual way?>>: Yo. But only because he likes it rough. Or at least that's what he said last night.

DPH> <<and there is an average of 30 seconds between each battle to allow time to clean up the box and bring the battlebots inside>>: You're forgetting all the pre- and post- game announcements and official vote tallying.

Patrick> <<Sharks with laser beams on their heads>>: No, I'm telling you, it's all about the vat of boiling sharks.

Fire Storm> <<Thanks for making me feel better!>>: Anything I can do. Though I should probably take a couple off that haven't updated in a good while. But the Keenspace dropdown has mostly disapeared, so I should add a couple more to save some time there.
<<Now, as soon as my mortgage officer approves it>>: And so once more, I wish you luck in your continuing endeavor, if in a different aspect.
<<Better than Buck Cake>>: That is the recipe to which I was referring. Remember, it is cake spelled with a K.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, March 2, 2002 02:46:56 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

SJ > How many flame wars DOES it take to screw in a lightbulb, huh? ;-) It is nice to be remembered. Seriously though, how you been, man? Oh, I know it's not Fred either. I have my suspicions, but that's more of an amusement than anything serious. Nothing particularly relevant.

Selanit > Dang! That's one heck of a trip. Good to see you again!

er ... yeah ... it's 1:30 AM ... um ... zzzzzzz x.x
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 01:35:32 AM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Firestorm - You tell em!! If anyone is interested in hosting a Gathering, I am sure Patrick and I can supply you with financial details that will sear out your eyes.

Our motto is "I you want to be poor like us... HOST A CON!"... okay... so maybe it isn't... but I amused myself for like 10 seconds there.

"a good laugh would be worth a lot of money right about now"
--Elisa Maza
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:51:47 AM
IP: 67.219.119.127

Thomas> "That reminds me. How was Oxford?"

Never been there.

...

Heh. I *DID* go study in Britain for a year, but Oxford was not the school. I attended Lancaster University, an altogether smaller school that was built in the 60s to accomodate increased demand for education as the first wave of Brit Baby Boomers hit college.

It was great! The classes were easy -- most met only once a week, and I never had classes on Fridays that year. The material was interesting, the pace was slow, and I learned a lot, particularly about Anglo-Saxon. I made some dear friends, and visited many British cities (but not Oxford).

During my looong (one month+) Spring Break, I visited Paris and Dublin.

I got a mixed introduction to France. My Uncle David advised me not to book a hotel in advance; he recommended visiting the Bureau d' Tourisme desk in Charles du Gaulle airport, and they could fix me right up. So I did. But when I found the desk, there was a sign behind it saying "En greve." Now, I don't speak French, and that phrase was NOT in my phrasebook (as it should have been), so I stood there for a while looking puzzled until a young woman came up to me and said . . . something in French.

"Uh," I said. "Je ne parle pas Francais."

"Oh!" she replied. "You must speak English, then."

I asked her what "En greve" meant, and she said: "It means, 'On strike.'" Striking is evidently the national pastime in France -- in the three days I was there, I saw three different strikes going on. The young lady, however, helped me out. Her name was �len, and she was kind to me. She told me which train to get on for Paris, and what stop to get off at for cheap, decent hotels. She even rode with me along the way, since she was taking the same line on her way home to Versailles.

At the Gare du Nord, I bid �len adieu. But as I was walking out of the station, another young lady walked up to me, with tears *streaming* down her face, and said . . . something in French.

"Uh," I said. "Je ne parle pas Francais."

"Oh!" she replied. Then, in extremely broken English, she tearfully explained to me that the ATM had eaten her debit card, and she needed 600 francs to buy a ticket to her home village in the south of France.

I'm a nice guy, and I appreciate it when people help *me* -- so, I opened up my wallet and gave her all the french money I had on my person, a total of about $50. She was pathetically grateful, and made a big show of writing down my address in the States so she could "reimburse" me.

Next morning I woke up in the hotel room I'd paid for with plastic and thought . . . "Hey . . . I've been had!" But you know what? I don't really mind so much -- I bought myself a GREAT story for cocktail parties!

Ireland was much more pleasant than France. For one thing, I didn't have to worry about lodging, because my friend Anne McCaffrey offered to put me up in her guest room for the whole ten-day duration of my stay. She picked me up at the ferry port in Dun Laoghry (pronounced "done leery"). Her house, Dragonhold, is quite large, with a kitchen/dining room, formal dining room, two living rooms (the real one and the formal one), a library, her office, several bedroom/bathroom combos, a greenhouse, a semi-detached apartment where her sister-in-law lives, and an attached indoor swimming pool, which was unfortunately dry at the time due to maintenance. And that was just the first floor -- I never had occasion to visit the upper floor, and I don't think she has a basement.

The grounds were equally impressive, involving a formal garden, vegetable garden, an orchard, several semi-formal flowerbeds, an adjacent empty field, and neigboring stables.

This was a couple of years ago, about the time that _Pegasus in Space_ hit the shelves in hardback. One day as I was wandering around Dublin I noticed it in a store, and reported this to Anne. She was pleased, since that meant that she'd soon be getting a check from the publisher. Later, she gave me an autographed copy; and not just any autographed copy, but the very first personally autographed copy of that title.

This post is getting rather long, so I'll just give you a few brief points to sum up the visit to Ireland: 1) went to a FANTASTIC garden called Powerscourt, an old Norman estate where they've been working on the formal gardens for several centuries. 2) Went and saw "American Beauty" with Anne -- wasn't what either of us were expecting. 3) Attended Anne's 74th birthday party, which was held at a little szechuan restaurant in Bray, where we got excellent service because Anne's daughter-in-law Kit Ping Yung once went back into the kitchen and chattered Cantonese with the cooks. 4) Visited the Irish National Museum. 5) Got mistaken for a student on the campus of Trinity College.

So that was Ireland. Loved it to pieces, though Dublin was awfully like New York -- big and dirty and suspicious. Give me Edinburgh any day. Gorgeous city, clean and friendly.

Night folks -- time for me to go to bed. Have to help my folks move tomorrow.
Selanit - [public@atuan.com]
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:43:32 AM
IP: 128.138.35.56

Imzadi: A few clarifications on having a con:
Have you ever priced a con center or the costs for hosting a con?
The places I have seen range from $750 to $2500 a day, and that's PER ROOM in some cases. Add to that the cost of guests, and you see why the admission cost is so high. (You mentioned that is ok, but I thought I would explain)

It is a VERY hard thing to make it affordable (travel, hotel, other) for people while keeping yourself from going insane/broke over all of it.

We will probably start a new survey on EZBoard to see what people will be willing to pay compared with what they get in return.

FYF, It is looking like G2004 will require the better part of $5000-$6000 to run it (just costs total, not net after attendee revenue)
Any way, I plan on keeping DETAILED records of how much everything costs and revenue, donations by staff members, etc, so future con planners will know how much to save (and scare off the wimps! :)
Fire Storm
Saturday, March 2, 2002 12:20:35 AM
IP: 216.254.103.139

The month of February. I will NOT miss that month!
It started with my boss harassing me and threatening to fire me for taking time off to get my teeth pulled.
My car is on the critical list.
And the house situation went from (according to LM's father)
"I plan on staying here forever"
"(GF) and I are thinking about getting a place together"
"I am selling the house by August"
"I will sell it ASAP"
Feb SUCKED!

Flame War: Great. Now I have to reset the sign.
1 day since the last flame war

SJ: <"F*** You Until You DIE!!!">
Is that like the spell in Hocus Pocus?

Gside: <Been there. Not bad. Good art, and a seemingly repentant Wrath. That, and a character named For No Apparent Reason.>
And it is dark and disturbing. I read through the whole thing and the next day at work, I was worried about one of my 'less than mentally balanced' co-workers shooting up the place.
<Wimp. 64 links off my toolbar, plus more that I link off those>
I thought *I* was bad! Thanks for making me feel better!
<Good luck finding a free spot there, then>
Found a VERY nice one! Bigger property, same size, $50-60K less.
Now, as soon as my mortgage officer approves it...
<But people don't have very high demands on spam's taste>
True, true.
<But are you going for a nice simple German cake first?>
Better than Buck Cake
<Nah, it's good for Jews, but we gotta deal with this "love your neighbor" stuff.>
Love thy neighbor, but not to the point of coveting thy neighbor.
The rules are so picky!

Imzadi: <The feeling of hitting the reload button? Is it a rush for you too?>
ESPECIALLY on eBay (lousy campers)
<Your sex life must be very dull>
Well, no comment on that, but I hold back the violent thoughts.
A LOT of them.

I didn't think he would take a single thing we said seriously. Hell, I doubt ANYONE does!
<Which leads me to wonder if "costume" is really the right word>
Costume, Fetish Wear, it's all the same.
<But other than that, perfect! Hehe. Nothing is worse than not enough parking>
Oh yeah. Nothing like coming home after a hard day at work... and parking a block away.

Point.
<I've decided that I don't feel too comfortable with sending my collection to other people>
Understood. I remember this 5MB download from AOHell (when I was on it), and it had some good stuff, but also some bestiality and kid porn stuff. Ick.
BUT it did have a few pics that looked like girls I was going to school with at the time, so that was nice! ;)
<You know, that thing that's a almost as much fun as eating/sleeping?>
Mmmm... the crunch of a chest cavity... the tender brain... fluffy lungs...
<When I said cheap I didn't mean the price of admission. I meant the other stuff. $45 for a convention isn't bad. Its the $30 to get from the hotel to the aiport that sucks>
I figure we will probably rent a bus to transport people. Cheaper all around.

Then there was the Junkyard wars where they made cars into battle bots!

Christine: <that's the curse of that damn story ... that's the problem>
Ah, embrace the hell that is Scooby!

Warpmind: 
Mm... Human Preserves...

Spacebabie: <Then you need a lot of ketchup>
It's weird, but I can't stand the stuff.
<How crunchy are the bones?>
WONDERFULLY crunchy! One of the best parts of eating!

Fleur: <Does anybody else mind that it's a self-insertion?>
Not really. I liked it! A nice poke and jab! Makes me think of what the rest of the clan would think of the fandom!
Question: Why do you think Lex would be comfortable meeting me?
And I object to the part about eating babies! I am not Olaf!
Although, I could use a snack... ;)
Really, though, I only have ONE complaint, and it is a BIG one!
The story isn't long enough!

Kaioto: <No, I don't use an IP to find where people live>
I do it frequently. I know, weird and a little obsessive, but I do it often.

The Watcher: Location: Houston, TX.
Make your own judgments.
Fire Storm
Friday, March 1, 2002 11:57:38 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Before you get spastic, Robby, I'm not going to be furthering anything here. Just a few quick replies.

Thank ye, Watcher, whoever you are. If it's you, Doug, I will shit myself.

And it's not Fred, because I know these things. I mean, I KNOW it�s not Fred, and if you think it is�.well, you�re wrong, but if you do believe it�s him, than that's alright. But it's not a lie to say that not everyone in the fandom thought Fred's fic was bad. Some have been rather...complimentary. Do you want names, so you can cast them to the lions? Point is, there are others besides Fred who didn't think the fic was the Ultimate Evil, so Watcher here COULD conceivably be someone other than him.

Again, if this is you, Doug, I will need a change of underwear.

Josh: <<I'm sorry dude, but you're starting to sound like an idiot. Not ignorant, just foolish and arrogant and stupid. >>

Maybe, but really, I do know what I'm talking about. That wasn't indignation, the old, "you ain't got nothin' you can prove!" gag. I know a bit about the law, and really, I was stating fact. Nothing will ever come of it. If it sounds stupid, I'm sorry. I'm probably not making myself any clearer with this little paragraph, but seriously, I was pointing out the reality of the situation, in the context of the law, etc. blah blah blah.. Nothing will happen.

You're damn right about the arrogant though.

Kaioto: I'm SO pissed at myself, because I KNEW YOU WOULD POST. I looked at the CR last night, and I said, "Gee, I wonder how long until Kaioto posts in there..." I had a bet going that you would, and I'm pissed, because I COULD have bet money on it, and I didn't. I always miss opportunities like that.

Ironic thought for the day: Oddly, I've helped bring the people in the CR *closer together* these past days. And that's something I don't quite think I've ever done before.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 11:41:49 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Mooncat > :: gives her a kitty treat cookie ::

GB > Eh... I've already got all the infamy I need thanks to certain mistaken conclusions that certain people have made about the contents of a certain fanfic, so I'm still going to pass on the Dilbert stuff.

Obeservation of the day > Jinkies... there sure are a lot of people around lately who are devoting copious amounts of time arguing and throwing flames about topics they claim not to care about. I sure wish I had that much free time. Though if I did, I'd probably use it for something worthwhile like taking a nice vacation or finishing the plans for my secret underground lair. Sharks with laser beams on their heads... I will accept nothing less, by golly! >:)
:: heads off to check out Avalon Mists ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, March 1, 2002 11:10:53 PM
IP: 66.72.200.140

I am a ranting hypocritical She-bitch. Who owes Christine a big apology. I started my litle rant to point out that everybody's so focussed on this brouhaha that they're not giving her a proper send-off from AvMists... and then I do exactly the same thing.

I'm sorry Christine. What I left out, and should have made more important than my own blasted opinion is a big 'Thank you' for all the fine work you've done as Editor, and to wish you luck in everything you turn your time to, now that you're not tied up with AvMists.

And a big welcome to Stephen Sobotka Jnr. I look forward to seeing where AvMists goes under your direction. At some point, I hope I can get my lazy butt into gear and actually contribute something :).
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 10:53:19 PM
IP: 165.228.130.11

I have been wondering what DisHarmony has been up to lately, besides messing with Thomas and me. She has been scheming quite a while and now we see the fruits of her labor.

Kathy - <Walking is great. But you need to do strength exercises too. They provide balance by keeping stronger muscles from pulling weaker ones out of alignment and aggravating the existing injury.> You mean excersies where I provide resistene to my back muscles, right? Do you have any ideas for anything cheap I can get?

Christine - <And here we'd been planning for months that our anniversary present would be a trip to Treasure Island this May to see the new season live ... only to find that they've moved it to Orlando.> Let me guess: there is not enough space on Treasure for all the Battle bots to have plenty of area to do repair work. If the popularity keeps growing, they might have to make it a 4 day tournament: 1 day to handle all of the bots in each weight class.

**BATTLE BOT TRIVIA**
If a division has 128 bots in it and there is an average of 30 seconds between each battle to allow time to clean up the box and bring the battlebots inside, it could take about 7 hours, 24 minutes, and 30 seconds to go through that division.

If a division has 64 bots in it and there is an average of 30 seconds between each battle to allow time to clean up the box and bring the battlebots inside, it could take about 3 hours, 40 minutes, and 30 seconds to go through that division.

If a division has 32 bots in it and there is an average of 30 seconds between each battle to allow time to clean up the box and bring the battlebots inside, it could take about 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 30 seconds to go through that division.

If a division has 16 bots in it and there is an average of 30 seconds between each battle to allow time to clean up the box and bring the battlebots inside, it could take about 52 minutes, and 30 seconds to go through that division.

I feel I am being close to accurate about having 30 seconds between battles. Of course, I am assuming that all battles last 3 minutes; most do. I am going to predict that there will not be 700 battlebots every year because of economics: It costs ~$1000 to build a basic battle bot that has a chance of making it to the televised battles and if I remember correctly, Son of Wyachi, the most expensive one so far, cost ~$10,000.
**END BATTLEBOTS TRIVIA**

Imzadi - since you are one of the wealthiest CR dwellers, I wonder if you could spare $4000-$5000 to have a battlebot built to represent the gargoyles fandom.

**ZOIDS SPOILERS**
A couple of things do bother me about that show. Think about how money the winner must get in order to recoup the cost of ammo and repair for damages. To ignore the cost of fuel, I am assuming each zoid use nuclear power - a very clear hazard. In order to make a profit, the winner in each battle must get at least $1,000,000. At the price tag, I don't see how they could be room to support more than 50 active teams. That's just problem #1. Problem #2 is weapons/ammo. Think about the amount of paperwork that must be filled out to ensure weapons/ammo don't end up being used for illegal activities.
**END ZOID SPOILERS**

DPH
AR, USA
Friday, March 1, 2002 09:32:59 PM
IP: 204.94.193.23

Green Baron- I was simply referring to all the 'death on the highway' videos I have to watch in drivers ed.

Christine-...Aiden? *ROFL* / Your not going!! *tears up* :(
(has mood swings)...geez

Kaioto- I LOVE YOU!!! Thanx for taken me out to eat! :D Next time..let's do Mexican! OLE! :P (sp?)

Everyone- YEA!!! Gargs is in second to Newsies!! We can beat that pansy musical-er..em *tee hee* *controls self* (JK in large)

VOTE PPL!!! :D Gargs Rules!!!!!!

Lexy
Friday, March 1, 2002 09:23:40 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Just a thought regarding IP addresses, from a technical POV.

I'd never consider actually tracking someone down via their IP. It is too easy to mask for someone who knows their way around networking. Then their are organization wide subnet masks and proxy servers.

No, I don't use an IP to find where people live. That's a pretty stupid exercise if ou ask me, and definitely not worth the effort. I can, however, use an IP to find out when someone's been posting from a particular machine in one guise or another (aka, not posting here for a Loooooong time).

Beyond that, heck yeah, move along. If people want to hand out bannings, go for it. All the more power to you and clean up your backyard. Use it as a lever on both ends of the discussion and actively discourage foolish people from trying to "get the last word in." Just go do a little leg work and get what you need from Gorebash (trust me, from experience, the tools are there).

This forum shouldn't be a reduced to a clearing house for either antagonist camp to bash the other, nor 3rd parties to debate the merits of the other two. It simply doesn't belong here, period.

Christine> Congrats on many successful seasons of publishing Avalon Mists, and good luck to you in your writing.

Robby> Let slip the dogs of war, me lad. Let slip the dogs. ;-)
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 09:07:16 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Okay folks, I've been up since 7:30 AM yesterday working, and have not had any sleep in like 36 hours. So I'm not in the mood to deal with this right now. Another admin has already posted, and ya'll arne't paying attention. It doesn't matter who Watcher is, they're just flaming. As far as the Jen/Pistoff stuff, Jen has it under control from what I understand, and there's no more need to argue over it. So, enough. I'm tired, and don't want to do this crap. So just quiet up about all of it and go back to buisness as usual, K? Just IGNORE Watcher, don't reply at all, that just gives the response he wants. I'm gonna go to sleep now, this mess better not still be going when I check in again, okay?
Robby
Friday, March 1, 2002 08:25:12 PM
IP: 172.149.197.19

Watcher> <<I'm sorry Aris, which part of "Fantasy" eludes you, perhaps I could explain.>>
Ofcourse it's a fantasy! I've said it myself: A *murder* fantasy. Which part of *that* eludes you?

<<As for not knowing the history of Ice-T and Ozzy Osbourne, it shows your age, and mine.>>
Probably shows more about me not being American/British/whatever-nationality-these-two-are.

Sorry, administration. I promise this was my last post for atleast a long while.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, March 1, 2002 08:04:31 PM
IP: 62.103.251.205

Ah hell. Sorry Mara.
You'd think I'd have learnt by now to make a final check of the CR before I post.
Will I need to buy a pair of biting resistant shoes now? ;)
Fleur
Friday, March 1, 2002 07:50:50 PM
IP: 165.228.130.11

Question: is it possible for somebody who is banned to post under a diferent name? I'm a little suspicious here.

All I really have left to say on this crap:
Hey, lookit! Christine just posted her last issue as Editor of Avalon Mists. Did anybody notice that? Why no, because we�re too busy discussing the story Pistoff posted. Which, possibly, could just be in retaliation to her letter in the _last_ AvMists, you know, the one she may have done in retaliation to what was said about the Victoria�s Secrets issue of AvMists (and pretty much everything she�s written for the past two years), which may have been said because of who she calls friend, after all, this is a war and we�ve all got to pick sides, and trace the retaliations back until the dawn of time.
Eventually, there will be another retaliation, which will be retaliated to, and meanwhile, more and more people will quietly decide that this place just isn�t worth the trouble. Maybe, unlike myself, some of them will be strong enough or have enough pride to stay away.

As you can probably guess, my inner bitch is still in control. So obviously, I'm not apologising (although weirdly enough, I haven't had any calls for that), but I will offer a couple of clarifying remarks, just in case people were wondering.
I don�t subscribe to 95% of the �opinions� I wrote in that story. The 5% I do subscribe to is that Doug was/is a liar, and I am a ranting She-bitch (see evidence above ;)). People were not included because they were part of this current mess they were just included because they were there, and I could work with a facet of their on-line personality. :)
Also, please don�t use any of my words as another salvo. I�m glad you enjoyed it, but that wasn�t the intention of the piece.

Mooncat, Josh, Patrick, Shadowrider, Jen, Kaioto, Christine, Revel, Thomas> You liked it? Damn, this could be a problem. I was hoping to unify everybody in offense. :)

Gside> >Eh, I'm not completely happy being grouped with all the other perverts, but I can deal. < You could be grouped with the psychos or the people with sexual issues, if you like. ;)

Josh> >Isn't that true for any flame war?< Yep. It�s the flame war song: Fifty third verse, same as the first, <insert name here< thinks <insert name here> is <insert expletive here>�. :) > Hey watch it! I take personal offense to that, as I am NOT involved in all of this stupid drama.< Opps. I didn�t intend to offend you because of _that_ (I thought �arrogant little $hit� would do it ;)). Actually, _you_ I just included for the Geek war bit. I was hoping that would make it clear enough that it was a piss-take, if people hadn�t figured it out already >And not EVERYONE wants to beat me up! By my estimates, there are only 3-5 people in here (more when the weather cools down) that actually want to cause me physical harm in a non-sexual way.< How many want to harm you in a sexual way? >And lets not even mention what spacebabie wants to do to me< No, let�s not. ;) >...and of course, you left out MY sexual issues 8-)< In here, yours are boring.

Shadowrider> >and, I am eventually relieved I wasn't quoted...at least, not as far as I've seen.< Nah, you weren�t. >Oh, by the way: Welcome back. It's been a while since the last time we've seen you in here. :) Usually I wouldn't poke my head in to post, but I just wanted to shake my fist at you.< Any reason to have you post is fine by me. >I _really_ don't want to have to print a change of pants to work just because I'm worried about the danger of soiling myself laughing.< That would be a bad thing. Especially for the people who work with you ;)

Revel> >dude, I'm not that messed up...< That�s what they all say� >I think. I... well no I guess I have done that, but I definitly have not thought I was a woman.< So you�re one of the perverts or the psychos, right? :)

Thomas> >Religious freak, love triangle and girlfriend stealer. Yep, that's me. < Eh, you may be in a group there. ;)

BTW, for those who are concerned, I'll delete that piece of nastiness next time I upload my site. Of course, me being me, that could be a couple of months down the track...
Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 07:47:04 PM
IP: 165.228.130.11

It's interesting, and sad really, that no matter how calm and rational my posts, hostility and great rage is the response. And because I have a dissenting opinion on the work in question, I am automatically labeled a moron or "wackadoo." Careful, your maturity is showing. And while your grand fathers fought for the right to have a dissenting opinion, you would discount it all by trying to silence the rights of individuals who don't share your views. Though you are not old enough to remember, there was a small country back in the late 1930's that did just that.

I'm sorry Aris, which part of "Fantasy" eludes you, perhaps I could explain.

As for not knowing the history of Ice-T and Ozzy Osbourne, it shows your age, and mine.

Mooncat
I'm sorry, I guess you missed the point in my one-line response. Though, if you like I could dissect your post. To assume that I agreed with anything that you posted is incorrect and ignorant. I actually disagreed with it in toto(no, not the dog as you may be thinking). One-line was simply all it warranted.

Shinigami
I neither know nor care who Kit is. Sorry, wrong again. I guess it really is like the old joke.

It seems that minds are made up on both sides of the debate, at least where the personal aspect comes in.

This is, and always has been about the work. I'm sorry for you too, since no one in this group appears to be able to separate the work as fiction. Sorry to disappoint you, but that's what it is.

It seems that the "though police" and jingoism will triumph every time in this forum.

As to my not being a garg fan and having no business here, sorry, but this is a public forum on the "world wide" internet. I am part of that public in the world. If you have a problem with me posting in here because of my preferences relating to which TV show I choose to support, sorry, but since this is a public forum you cannot monitor who sees it nor who chooses to voice an opinion. Oh, physically you could, by "banning" me. That's the epithet of children who, when losing a game, don't want to play anymore and want to take their ball and bat and go home. That only reinforces the elitest attitude that permeates the gargoyles fandom. Though, to be fair, there are some really good people in the fandom, though they appear to be few and far between. And no, I don't consider this a game. Just a matter of defending a work of fiction.

So, ban me if you wish, though in the end, it wouldn't matter, since I have done nothing more than defend a work which is unpopular. Though I wonder if the same story had been written by Jennifer Anderson about Fred, how unpopular it would truly be?

Amusing and infantile how you can't live with the thought that you don't know me and that I am not the various people you continue to guess that I am.

The Watcher
Friday, March 1, 2002 07:22:43 PM
IP: 64.152.252.62

Eeee!!! Shinigami!!! *purrsss and rubs around ankles*

Sorry, didn't see your Admin post in time. I'm a bad kitty!

I promise not to talk to suspect strangers again. *crosses kitty heart with paddy paw*

Gimmee a cookie? >^,,^<

*purrrsss*
Mooncat
Mooncat
Friday, March 1, 2002 06:45:56 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Hiya Watcher, Fred, whoever,

I noticed you had nothing to say in response to my reply to you besides the fact I called you Fred. *claps and cheers* Nice to know you had no argument with the rest of what I had to say. >^,,^<

*moonkitty purrssss*

Mooncat
Friday, March 1, 2002 06:40:46 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

*walks in, annoyed, towel-wrapped around her head* Damn I hate being caught in the middle of the shower when people are messing with my room.

Mooncat: You funny, I love you.

Watcher: You're not a garg fan, so you really have no place here except in trying to stir up something. Do me a favor and go away. (And tell Kitt I said hi)

Everyone else: Don't bother talking to this wackadoo. Jen can and does take care of herself. She knows who her friends are and she doesn't give half a crap about the rest. This is why we like Jen. It just fills the room with uselessness since these people have made up their minds already. Ignore them and they'll go away. (Especially if they get their asses banned)

Keep this topic up, on either side, and you'll be annoying this admin. Annoy me and you'll find nasty things growing on the soles of your feet.

Nasty biting things.
Shinigami
Friday, March 1, 2002 06:24:41 PM
IP: 172.157.9.234

<<Aris, you have the right NOT to read the work.>>

Did I ever say you said I didn't? Whether I read the work or not, has nothing to do with whether it's a murder-fantasy or not. And whether it'd disturbed or not. And whether it indicates something about the author or not.

<<And you also help to prove my point.>>

Watcher, there's nothing *remotely* conceivable that wouldn't help to prove your point, according to you. Am I one of the brainwashed fans of Jennifer? I've never emailed or read a single story by her as far as I remember unless they were for TGS. I have no idea whether the things Fred accuses her of are right or wrong.

I have no idea if she's "innocent" or not. I am attacking *Pistoff*, I am not defending Crzy. Her innocence is uncertain - but his guilt clearly not so.

<<Interesting how you chose only the fictional characters to reply about.>>

Interesting how you blatantly lie. Or did you just decide not to read the paragraph about Osama Bin Laden? He's the only non-fictional person you mentioned by name, he's the only one I specifically spoke about.

<>

I've not heard these things, but they were either disturbed also or doing it for the money or both. Is this your only defense?

<<Just because something is written or said doesn't make it so, at least not on this planet.>>

How many stable people do you know who've written about the fictional murders of people they personally know and hate?

<<But if you are going to labor that fact, then you will have to do the same with anything that is based on real people.>>

Of course. Geez, if someone spends 40 pages describing how much good it'd do to the world if Osama Bin Laden died, could he possibly want for Osama Bin Laden to die? What a hard question!
Aris Katsaris
Friday, March 1, 2002 05:56:52 PM
IP: 62.103.251.205

JEB
This is in fact not my first post here in TGS, only my first with this name. However, I felt that the work needed to be defended and not merely crushed and quashed by a dissenting group of people who felt that it was a personal attack. Even if it was, it's rather disappointing that those who wanted the work pulled acted in such a childish and knee-jerk manner. This is one of the things that sets Gargoyles fandom apart from other fandoms. I have never seen as much back-stabbing, flaming, and outright hatred in any other fan base as I do with Gargoyles fans.

Now, to answer your questions in order.

1) I beg to differ. At least one of the rape stories expressed the victim enjoying it.

2) You are wrong again. The Star Trek Fandom a.k.a. Starfleet has elected officials that act as the head of the organization and control it as a cohesive whole.
Gargoyles fandom has it's unspoken leaders who are the only ones with private personal access to the creator of the show and who have direct influence over the fandom. This includes the, albeit rotating, Gathering of the gargoyles.

3) I never condemened blatant personal attacks. I guess you missed that. I condemened the fact that Jennifer Anderson appears to be able to dish it out but apparently cannot take it.

4) I'm sorry but where do you see this as an attack on anyone's opinions? This is about freedom of speech and I upheld that with the part about the reason this country was founded. Read the post again.

5) Private though it may be, the point is that the trouble sprang up not because the person in charge of the archives objected to the work, but those who it was allegedly aimed at did. And I further believe that it was a personal fight that lead to the fic being unaccessable. And again, it was someone who has a nuclear fan base among the gargfan community. And that's what got it pulled, or so I am led to believe. I'm sorry, but I don't see the story as possibly infringing on the rights of others. How can a written work, unless a law of the land, infringe on the rights of another? All rights should be defended unless you believe like the others that Jennifer Anderson is the innocent victim. Indeed the work is the victim. And that is what I am defending.

And sorry to disappoint you, but I am not Fred...because I choose to keep my name to myself those of you with small minds will find it hard to believe. However, I am familiar with all the players in this particular play and have been watching many others over the past few years.

Those with narrow minds will of course believe it is Fred posting no matter what is said to the contrary. That is part of your problem.
As I stated before, you don't know me from Adam so it is pointless an unnecessary to post my real name. It reminds me of the joke about "How do you keep a WASP in suspense...?"

Mooncat, you also help to prove my point. Thank you.

Aris, you have the right NOT to read the work. And you also help to prove my point.
As to Teletubbies and Jar Jar, et al. yes, they are fictional. But if you read the post, you will notice that not all the persons I mentioned are. Though President Bush is quite a funny character and could be fictitious I suppose. Interesting how you chose only the fictional characters to reply about. I remeber Ice-T writing a song about killing cops back in the late 80's or early 90's and Ozzy Osbourne was talking about suicide solutions. Just because something is written or said doesn't make it so, at least not on this planet. The tone or content of the work, while it may have been upsetting to some, is hardly a plan to follow through. As a matter of fact, the characters are fictitious, though they may be based on real persons. But if you are going to labor that fact, then you will have to do the same with anything that is based on real people. It really is a shame that so many shallow people with narrow minds are drawn to Gargoyles fandom.

Perhaps we should stop parodies such as "Scary Movie" from seeing the light of day because it might be aimed at real persons and may hurt some feelings.

It hardly surprises me that the replies have been large and frequent in such a short time. Perhaps having ouside interests in the world around you would be refreshing and enlightening? As for me, I don't post regularly, once in a blue moon when I feel the need. My life doesn't revolve around TV and the internet though I do enjoy both greatly.

Kaioto
Ah, yes, the IP, the wonderful and mysterious tag by which to form a modern day witch-hunt. If you knew who I was, what then? Would you then look for me to cause me bodily harm and thus prove yourselves the true hate-mongers and dangerous ones? Should I call the police and tell them that there is a group of angry Gargoyles fans who mean to do me harm?

And as for "a very small constituency" and "a handful of champions" implies that those who side with Jennifer Anderson are indeed many and champion her. Sounds like a double standard. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Typical.

As for the legality and the right to censor the archives, yes, you are correct. Though this is and always has been a personal matter and heavily one sided. "You can't say that about me or my friends! Mommy, Fred is writing about me again!!" It really is plain to see the truth of the matter.

Oh, and for those of you who missed it. No, I am not Fred. :)

The Watcher
Friday, March 1, 2002 05:35:32 PM
IP: 64.152.254.140

I see the fun still hasn't stopped. Face it folks, not even a cluebat is going to wake certain people up. Save your collective breaths and move on.

Thomas > Ya know, I think I prefer GB. Is GB okay? Anyway, yeah, I'll still be in Georgia in July. Hidious thought, but I have no prospects that suggest any other location.
Okay, about the faith thing. I get that the rituals help you. But I also get that when everything becomes about ritual real faith tends to fall by the wayside. So if you truly believe, it shouldn't matter whether or not you're praying in a chapel, a field or the public library. Unless of course you're being rather evangelical and then you might risk the wrath of the librarian. ;)

Josh > The problem I have with your posts is I tend to read the comment room first thing in the morning or late in the afternoon when I'm tired and my eyes are blurry. When you mush the comment that your're responding to and your response together it becomes somewhat challenging to read especially when I'm in a hurry, which is always. So if you could maybe put the reply on a separate line I think it would help. I know, I'm old. But I know I'm not the only one here with feeble eyes.

DPH > Walking is great. But you need to do strength exercises too. They provide balance by keeping stronger muscles from pulling weaker ones out of alignment and aggravating the existing injury.

And now I'm late. Again.

Ciao!
kathy
Friday, March 1, 2002 05:04:57 PM
IP: 66.32.110.191

Greetings all...

As such to break from the usual brouhaha going on, it's time for some offical business...

First off, it's sad to see Christine go as Editor for Avalong Mists. You deserve an "Atta-Boy" (old Navy hands will know what I mean) for all the hard work and dedication you put into it. I can only hope to do a good job with it in your place.

With that said, as the new Editor-In-Chief, I need to put out some new info about the 'zine and some items that concern the next issue in May/June (note:projected due date for all future submissions)...

First off, as part of AvMists redesign, I am instituting cover art as part of its new look. Therefore, I need any and all artists who are interested to contribute a piece of art to splash on the cover of the Summer 2002 issue. All that send art will be considered (provided you follow some guidelines, etc.) and out of all those that qualify one will be picked. The rest will go into that issues "Galleria" for viewing.

The theme for the Summer issue is "Spring/Summer Break" as a general theme, with "Crossovers" as the focused theme (which I'll explain later this post). All who are interested can either submit their own ideas, or contact me at scififangargoyle@yahoo.com for the idea that originally inspired me.

Second item - Part of the redesign requires that AvMists have a feature logo on it's covers and Masthead (i.e. - Table of contents). So, instead of designing it on my own, I'll make it a challenge to all the more graphically-inclined artists out there to come up with the AvMists logo.

The main criteria for the logo are three-fold: simple design that reflects at least one aspect of the Gargoyles fandom (a gargoyle, the castle, the Avalon Skiff, etc.); able to reproduce in color or grey-scale (for use in the printable version down the road); and finally it must have the words "Avalon Mists" as part of it or at least the intinals "AV".

All entries sent in by the due date of May 14th will be considered for this contest. The best 3 will then go to the fans for voting in the Summer 2002 issue. The design with the most votes will be chosen as THE logo for AvMists, and its creator will be given full credit in the Masthead in each and every future issue of AvMists thereon.

Third Item - As briefly mentioned, the themes of the Summer 2002 Issue are "Spring/Summer Break" and "Crossovers". For either art work or fiction, you can use one or both of these themes to submit work to the 'zine. Write a story about the Clan taking a short vacation. Or, do a crossover with any one of the multitudes of other universes out there; G.I. Joe, Max Steel, buzz Lightyear, etc. The key thing is to have fun.

Sll submissions - art, fiction, poems, our featured article (which talks about anything related to the gargoyles universe and the fandom), cartoons, jokes and such - must be received by me no later than May 23rd 2002. THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE FINAL DEADLINE for the Summer 2002 Issue.

All submissions can be sent to me at ssobotka33616@yahoo.com; if you need to send via snail mail, contact me at this address for details and mailing instructions.

I'm looking forward to seeing some great submissions for the next issue. Thanks in advance for your support and for keeping AvMists alive!

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen
Editor-In-Chief; Avalon Mists 2003

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:49:37 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

JEB> That explains what happneed to the CR. It's the Dark Powers of Ravenloft :) I have the Doamins and I won Secrets on ebay. I heard the Darkon demilords are lacking in personality. I love teh timeline too.

Kaioto> I think you've entered the Dark Domain of the CR :) Now guess the Darklord.
Thomas
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:22:42 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Hey folks! Remember these fun little bits of darn near UNUSED html?

** Begin Cut Text **

1. The TGS CR Administrator pic can be used ONLY by TGS staff members and the CR administrators.

2. No flames.

3. Nothing graphically pornographic and no direct links to pornographic material. In general, keep it PG-13 or tamer.

4. No all RP (role play) posts.

5. Spoilers, role play or potentially offensive material should have warnings before and after them as indicated by multiple asterisks (*), all capital letters and blank lines before and after each warning.

**End Cut Text**

Can you guess what they are? Three guesses.

Yup, you guessed it, those are the TGS CR Rules, still currently published at:

http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/rules.html

Or link from my name.

Thanks for playing. Please enjoy your parting gifts and refrain from the use of flash photography while we are filming. Have a nice day. :)
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:16:29 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Clarifying Point 5:

"Freedom of speech also involves the right to express your DISlike of _other examples of free speech_ as well."

Thomas: The CR is, of course, a pocket domain. :)
R3E is pretty good, but you need both the core book and Secrets of the Dread Realms to have domains AND darklords...
JEB
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:12:28 PM
IP: 172.157.126.98

<<But, had the characters in the story been someone else, say, Osama Bin Laden and his cronies, would they have reacted the same?>>

Being that most the civilised war declared *war* (aka organized hunt to kill) against "Osama Bin Laden and his cronies", no, they would not have reacted the same. Because much of the civilised war *wants* to kill Osama Bin Laden, and those games depict that wish.

Nothing too wrong with that. I still wouldn't be interested to write or read or play such a game or story - but it wouldn't be that sick IMO.

"not to mention killing Teletubbies, Jar Jar Binks and others...does this make the authors of those games likely to stalk and kill teletubbies? Doubtful."

Newsflash: Teletubbies are fictional. If you don't understand why killing completely fictional individuals is less disturbed than killing representations of real ones, that's your problem.

<<Attacking this fic as "possible actions by the author" is inherently flawed. Otherwise, the same could be said about fanfics depicting rape and incest (you know the ones)>>

No, I don't know ANY fics that depict rape against real people and defends that action. Pistoff and you may be incapable of understanding the difference between real and fictional. That's again your problem.

<<Perhaps someone should call the police and report a possible child molestation because someone wrote a fic about it?>>

If the fic spent an inordinate amount of time *defending* child molestation, as much as Pistoff's fic did defending murder, then yes I think it might be a prudent action of course for one to take.

Again you don't realise the difference, do you? Writing a fic where *criminals* rape or murder fictional people (and the fic *doesn't* defend those actions) versus having a fic where the misunderstood *hero* brutally murders (a representation of) a real person and having the fic defend his actions.

I've written about murders also - none of which I defended. I've written about killings which I'd be willing to defend (being war or executions) - but they all involved only fictional people. I'm planning to write about rape also - but the rape will obviously be an *evil* action committed by the villain of the story (against a fictional character). And yes, I even have a small story-idea which would involve incest between two good (on the whole) characters. But they'll be consenting adults and FICTIONAL!

Realize the difference, please, between *all* the above and what Pistoff has written.

<<She's so petty that she can't tolerate a dissenting opinion on any subject.>>

Yes, Fred thinks it'd be good if he murdered her, and Jen is so petty that she disagrees with his god-given right to so murder her. Bad, bad Jen! <shakes finger angrily>

Do you actually *believe* the crap you write?
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:09:05 PM
IP: 62.103.251.205

The Watcher -- Hi Fred. Actually, I think if you believe you can say whatever you want where ever you want, you probably are the sort to protect a pedophile who'd stand in a school yard full of children, telling them in graphic detail all the nasty things he'd like to do to them.

Since you think of all the fans who disliked Fred's story on the basis of it having broken basic Nettiquette rules of putting "real" people (as in actual people you socialize with) in their stories and doing nasty things to them without the person's permission, as "children" -- Then my above comparison of Fred, to a child molestor is painfully apt.

I'm just a childe *^_^* mild and wilde, and Fred's nasty piece of fiction TRAUMATIZED meeeeee!!! Well, actually mildly nauseated, and mostly bored me, but nearly the same thing *^_~*

South Park does put World and Nationally Public Figures into their skits. It's acceptable under long standing comedic license. They do not take people that the writers actually socialize with on a first hand basis and air their PERSONAL hate fantasies with them. They would get their asses sued for that.

All in all. Fred/Pistoff may be a lot of things, but South Park he is not.

Wow, all this, and I don't even know Jennifer *^_^* except for maybe a dozen words exchanged in this comment room. Her powers of must be increasing! *moonkitty does her zombiekitty impression* Ooooohhhhh Obey Jennifer! Give Jennifer chocolate! Drool over Jennifer's pretty pictures!

*moonkitty takes brief moment to gobble a chocolate* mmm!!! *back to zombiekitty*

Ooooohhh worship Jennifer! Commission Jennifer for pictures! Distract Jennifer with godiva choclate and hotfoot it off with her Demona cels... Opps! heh, that last bit just slipped out. I'm not after your Demona cels, Jen, honest!!!

*zombiekitty hot foots it out of the CR before Crzy D catches on to her cat burgler aspirations*

ciao!
MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:08:56 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

JEB> I've eben out of teh loop a bit so I'm curious to see teh updates. I liked Van Ritchen but he has a good legacy. It woudl be funny if Weathermay becoems a darklord over his actions. He'd be another Elena Faith-Hold. I'm planning on a Ravenloft/CR entry that has soem parody elements.

As for Watcher, he managed to make teh atatcks in an astute and calm matter which will impress some people. If we press on too much about it, he'll be laughing in the end.
Thomas
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:07:33 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

:: glances down ::

Ooh! It's mystery time, gang! Oh, wait, it really isn't that much of a mystery now, is it? This particular argument has only had a handful of champions in the first place. Further, the person writing it used to be a regular poster, but is no longer (follow the bouncing IP address). Continue to follow that the person is a partisan for a very small constituency. Examine the text writen, and the emphasis on their own personal interpretation of Free Speech at the expense of well ... everything.

I mean, there really aren't that many alternatives to choose from there, now are there, but I wouldn't want to spoil the Scooby-Doo moment. ;-)

Ah ... censorship ... from a theoretical stance, censorship isn't unconsitutional. Strictly speaking, censorship by the government to violate the freedom of political speech is unconstitutional. Censorship in a private household, publication, or Web site has been completely legal in the United States of America from its founding to this very day.

Heck, in some cases, it is even legally required because of the consequences of publishing sensitive materials like detailed plans on how to build your own chemical or nuclear weapons, libelous publication, violation of intellectual property rights, making threats or conducting other forms of harassment.

Blerg. What an unholy mess in here. :P I remember the good old days when people were expected to leave their external conflicts with one another off the TGS board instead of using this private forum to take demonize one another and avenge slights against them. A happy Eden where Ad Hominem was forbidden from discussion on principle. :P

DumlaoX would have people's heads on pikes decorating his lawn. Sure, kicking everyone off the board who participates in such discussions doesn't set right anything that was wrong, but that's not the design of the room in the first place, and it at least had the potential to keep the peace.

Ultimately, this Comment Room was not supposed to be a place to air grievances on others in the fandom, pass judgement on the outside action of others in the community, or debate the issues involved with external conflicts between fans. It was supposed to be a refuge for us clinically insane folks and occassionally even focus on the literature it was named for.

Halcyon days and fond memories, so strange that so many more people can experience greater freedom under a dictatorship than anarchy ... ironic, no?
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:04:34 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Thomas> Have you picked up Ravenloft Third Edition yet? Whatcha think?

I access the Kargatane website on a daily basis... odd that you can't even access it most of the time.
Yeah, Alanik Ray's site is good. :) Too bad it isn't updated anymore...

Azalin, by far, is my favorite Darklord. :)

The Watcher> Greetings, sir. I am curious why you chose to make this your first post, but I would like to make a few counterpoints...

1) The key thing with Pistoff's story is the expressed attitude that killing these real people is a good idea. I doubt you can find any rape stories that approve THAT practice that aren't of equally questionable quality. Any positive non-consensual incest stories are equally problematic.

2) The Gargoyles fandom, or for that matter any fandom, is not a cohesive whole with a single leader. Crzy is not the fandom's leader, she is simply one of its better-regarded members.

3) You condemn blatant personal attacks, yet what is this entire post but a blatant personal attack?

4) You decry those who attack those who hold different opinions, yet your entire post attacks those with a different opinion than your own.

5) The Gargoyles Fan Website is a private website, not a public institution- therefore, a moderator there has as much right to remove anything they want as Pistoff has to post his material where he wants. Freedom of speech also involves the right to express your DISlike of something as well. Many seem to forget this fact. But, IMHO, one's rights end where they infringe on the rights of another. And if defending one set of rights in such an opposition creates a less problematic situation, I would think those rights should be the ones to be defended.
JEB
Friday, March 1, 2002 04:02:02 PM
IP: 172.157.126.98

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Anonymous
Friday, March 1, 2002 03:53:42 PM
IP: 4.41.243.40

Wow that was fast! O.o

You're right Thomas.

Bishansky -<<why don't you use your real name...rant, whine, foam>> I could post my real name, but it would serve no purpose since you don't know me anyway...like I said, I'm not a garg fan, just a spectator, ergo,"The Watcher."

Thank you for proving my point.

Next?

The Watcher
Friday, March 1, 2002 03:47:18 PM
IP: 209.245.195.44

Hi, my how TGS has grown. I haven't been reading TGS some time now. I want to start again, but the sheer volume of the eps are rather daunting. Does anyone have synopses of the eps? I think it'd be useful to new users as well, who aren't sure whether to invest the time into reading a lot of these. If no one has, I'd be interested in doing that. Thanks.
Petronius the Younger
Friday, March 1, 2002 03:45:08 PM
IP: 131.215.182.186

Greg X> Was it really worth it to respond so quickly. You proved his point and gave him more credibility.
Thomas
Friday, March 1, 2002 03:40:10 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Large post tomorrow, for now I'll settle with this.

THE WATCHER> Maybe that alias should be THE COWARD. Why don't you post your name, or at least the Online name you normally use? I never hide my name when I post something I know will be unpopular, why are you? That's right, you are a faceless coward. Let me tell you about another group of cowards that hide like this. They hide behind white hoods, hold ralleys, burn crosses on people's lawns. You know what I mean?

Either way, thanks for the laugh.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, March 1, 2002 03:29:34 PM
IP: 216.179.3.152

I just read Fleur's pardoy. I only wish it was longer. Religious freak, love triangle and girlfriend stealer. Yep, that's me.
Thomas
Friday, March 1, 2002 03:22:32 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

I haven't read the story, mostly because I can't stand to read too much on a vid screen and my printer is out of ink. But, had the characters in the story been someone else, say, Osama Bin Laden and his cronies, would they have reacted the same? Most likely not. There are tons of flash cartoons where you can kill Osama and his cronies not to mention killing Teletubbies, Jar Jar Binks and others...does this make the authors of those games likely to stalk and kill teletubbies? Doubtful. :P

Ok, about the Snuff Film comparison...a "snuff film" is a film where someone actually kills someone else and captures it on film for the pure enjoyment of reliving and sharing the experience. A "snuff fic" would then imply that the person writing the fic has already done the act and is describing it in detail. With a reaction from Crazy Demona after the fact, I think it can hardly be considered a "snuff fic."

Attacking this fic as "possible actions by the author" is inherently flawed. Otherwise, the same could be said about fanfics depicting rape and incest (you know the ones) as a platform for those authors to act on those impulses and the children of these authors should then be taken away for their own protection. Perhaps someone should call the police and report a possible child molestation because someone wrote a fic about it?

I believe that Crazy is using this to her advantage and trying to present herself as the innocent victim when she clearly is neither. I've observed her antics over the past couple of years and she is little more than an egomaniac who believes that being the leader of some fans of a cartoon show makes her some sort of hero and gives her carte blanche to belittle others and come away from it clean and perhaps even praised and applauded.

She seems a bit touched to me. I mean, "calling the cops" is pretty pathetic. I may be wrong, but unless you come out and personally and specifically threaten someone, I don't think there's anything the police will do about it. After all, if I wrote a story about killing a public figure, like the president or a famous star, people might get their panties in a bunch, and perhaps the feds would keep a file and an eye on me, but unless I actually personally threatened that person and tried something, my first ammendment rights would win in court every time. This country was founded on the premis that we COULD says bad and disparaging things about anyone with no fear of reprisal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in American history, damaging political cartoon and editorials and indeed fictitious stories have been the norm and are what make this country what it is...FREE.

Censorship is unconstitutional, but then so is income tax...

Either way, I support your fic, just as I support Maplethorpe to call his work art (Though I did have a problem with the government paying for it). Deleting and censoring your fic falls under the category of the "thought police" of which a certain person here seems to be overly-fond of shouting all too often. If he supports the fic being deleted or inaccessable in the archives, then he is a hypocrite. "Who are you, the thought police?" No, but apparently you are.

It still amazes me that Crazy and her bunch (heh, sounds like the Dalton gang) think that they are the only ones who can make blatant, and I mean BLATANT, personal attacks on anyone they don't agree with or take a dislike to and come away smelling like a rose. The only reason is that the impressionable children (and yes, those that follow her are children) believe that because she has Greg's ear or favor or whatever, that she's a superstar or something. It's really sad. If they don't like you you're banned from their rooms forever. "NO POST FOR YOU!" Heheheh.

I've read comments here and there from her and her little mob(and you know who you are -"if this post upsets you...you might be a lackey") and one thing is very clear. They all come from troubled homes or at the very least have problems coping with real life social situations. They're constantly whining and moaning about how they hate this person and that person and how they're picked on because they're different and how they're all geniuses because they are persecuted. Heheheh, that's so sad it's funny. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is persecuted by their peers at some point in time in their life, that's just human nature. If it isn't at school or home then it's at work. No one is loved by everyone, that's an impossibility. Jennifer Anderson is an opportunist though and has such a strong need for acceptance that she leads those sad little children into believing that she is their protector and their friend. But I've seen how she operates and if any one of those little followers dares to disagree or say something that she considers out of line, she'll turn on them like so much pork left out in the sun. She seems to delight in the misfortunes of others and to take pleasure in emotionally raping people. It seems to give her the sense of power and self-gratification she seeks.

The saddest thing probably is what her "occupation" says on her ezboard profile..."professional bitch" (and her personal bio "...real pain in the ass.").
She seems to wear this title as a badge of honor and it seems that is all she will ever be and all she will ever be remembered for. Perhaps except, by her nucleus of groupies. Personally I think Harpy suits her better. ;)
(Harpy -n. 1.A shrewish woman. 2.A predatory person. [< Gk. Harpuiai, voracious monsters of Greek myth.])

This most recent attack on Fred just reinforces what a sad, pathetic, self-absorbed person she really is. She's so petty that she can't tolerate a dissenting opinion on any subject. If you disagree with her then you must be a moron and she will try to crush you or at the very least, your spirit. It's people like her in the Gargoyles fandom that keep it down and turn others away.

Isn't it amazing how HER personal attacks on others are always ok, but anyone who says anything about her is evil? Watch out, I'm evil for daring to have a dissenting and informed opinion on her! ;D

Hey! Everyone look at me! I am Jennifer Anderson and I have God-like powers and I can pull strings with the cops, the feds, and the military, and I can have everyone bow to me in any Gargoyles-based comment room, not to mention that Greg Wiseman is my personal friend and therefore, if I hate you so will he and you can never be a fan of Gargoyles again and all gargoyles' fans that follow me will be blinded to any and all truths and will see, think, and believe as I tell them, for I am the Crazy Demona, I am Jennifer Anderson and I am your Goddess!!!!!!

Heheheh, I'm not a Garg fan so I'm immune to her pact with the devil. ;)

The song "you're so vain" springs to mind...perhaps it should be her themesong. ;)
The Watcher
Friday, March 1, 2002 03:18:29 PM
IP: 209.245.195.44

Another glorious day. Now on to sane psotings.

Lexy> <<Ups!..forgot to shake my fist at you for that last one. *shakes fist at you* *frowns* *goes to driver's Ed to watch 'videos'* -_-;>> I may not be involved (not that I care if I am), but I don't get that.

DPH> <<Then, I will pull out a new joke I heard: LA stands for 3 things: Los Angeles, Lousiana, and Lower Arkansas.>> Well, only Northeast Louisiana is Lower Arkansas. Northwest Louisiana like Shreveport is Texas wannabe with steers and queers no doubt. The rest has its own unique culture. As for Los Angeles, the letters are all that it has in common with Louisiana. They are part of the developed world, unlike most of Louisiana, but the LAPD could tie with the NOPD for most corrupt police force in the US :)

<<My friend's mom has a dog and she is living with my friend. That dog is used to playing with cats, but my cats aren't used to a dog.>> I'm not surprised.

Jennifer> <<Jennifer "The Golden Child" Anderson>> I thought you were the Golden One :)

Patrick Toman> It is a game and they are probably loving the attention. I wonder if they have been playing ths igame for a while. Maybe Paul Nathans, Matt Milam, and some others are also part of this. Maybe they're really a bunch of drunken truckers playing a joke on us. Maybe I'm making up odd conspiracies o.O

Fleur> For some reason I can't view your site. ::Dis Connect is put in the path of a really pissed off Joe Pesci::

Imzadi> <<I'm sorry dude, but you're starting to sound like an idiot. Not ignorant, just foolish and arrogant and stupid.>> It happens to the best of us.

<<Sometimes younger. Hell, 18 wasn't too great a birthday for me.>> MY 18th birtdhay was good, since I was able to vote. I can't say I've had any bad birthdays lately. The last two were my best. I spent my 23rd one at G2K and my 24th one with Heather.

Birthday 25 would be cooler if I drove, though.

<<That's not funny.>> Who said I was trying to be funny? BTW, is Turkey still up for grabs ;)

<> Exceutiosn are expensive. I prefer converting them into cheap labor and making teh prisons self-sufficient liek in Shawshank. Instead of expensive weenie methods of exceution, they can die of overwork.

<<Furthermore, its important that they be true archives. I can understand filtering posts for the room itself, but once an archive is formed it should never be removed/deleted/edited.>> I fully agree. I do regret that a little section was wiped out in May, but accidents occur.

<<So?>> Women like rubbing shaved heads.

<<He said buddhist, not gerbil-lover.>> Good one.

Aimee> Be careful about feeding the bears :)

JEB> I'm a huge fan. It's my favorite realm next to Mystara. I also love Masque of the Red Death. The Kargatne site is always down when I try to acess it, though. I do like Alanik Ray's library and Chilling laugter is a riot. I'll give you an example:

TOP TEN THINGS FEARED BY STRAHD VON ZAROVICH

10. The sun.

9. Mel Brooks selects him as the subject for his next film.

8. Mushroom clouds (hey, no special defenses against Nukes!!)

7. Laurell K. Hamilton.

6. Vince McMahon asks him to be Gangrel's manager.

5. Sarah Michelle Gellar.

4. A visit from Tasselhoff Burrfoot.

3. New obsession: Roseanne!

2. Wesley Snipes in his Blade suit.

And the number one thing feard by Strahd Von Zarovich:

1. Being attacked by Teflon Billy, El Ravager, Knuckles the Sixth and Justina!!

No. 7: She's the author of the Anita Blake novels.
No. 1: a.k.a. Brian, Dave, Bob and Sara of Knights of the Dinner Table.

TOP TEN SIGNS A LOVE OF PRO WRESTLING IS INTERFERING WITH YOUR RAVENLOFT CAMPAIGN

10. All undead monsters wear masks.

9. If your PC is killed, you give the DM a powerbomb.

8. You celebrate victories by giving your victims the DX crotch chop.

7. Master vampire talks in the third person, calls himself the "People's Bloodsucker."

6. Party leader answers all questions with "Ooooooohhhhhhhh Yyyyyyyeeeeaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!"

5. All PC shields read "Van Richten 3:16."

4. Paladin trades his holy avenger for a +4 steel chair.

3. You don't decapitate the werewolf. You give him the Stone Cold Stunner.

2. When you enter the lich's lair, rock music begins playing.

And the number one sign a love of pro wrestling is interfering with your Ravenloft campaign:

1. Strahd paints his face like the Crow and drops from the rafters.

There's a lot more, like what will I do if I becoem the Vampire and other cool jokes. I liekd the joke about Harkon Lukas getting a guest spot on Ranma 1/2. He's one of my favorite Darklords along with Azalin. I also like the use of technology and the stories, plus the richness of the whole setting.

<<If he was still around, I would guess the CR would be Mr. Dis Connect's domain. ;) Obviously, his curse is to compulsively cause connection problems for people, after which they enter a homicidal rage and kill him. Over, and over, and over...>> That's pretty good. I was thinking of a poster, but he is a good choice. I'd say Dis is Lawful Evil though not too scary as a Darklord.

Patrick> <<Just not envisioning that anything good could come of a Wally & Dilbert slash scene... and besides, I've got too many creativity demons still left in the ficverse kathy and I already play in. >:)>> But the level of infamy you could achieve would be legendary.

Shadowrider> <<Nonsense. A judge, when doing his job, must only apply the law. Nothing more, nothing less.>> I agree to a certain extent, but I don't think he shoudl check his faith at the door. I recall the invitation (which is what it is, not anything infallible) was more towards lawyers and I think a Catholic lawyer who seeks to profit by divorces should seriously consider another faith. He didn't call for a complete ban on involvement. In some cases, divorce is inevitable and perhaps not that awful an idea. In thsoe cases, it is best to make certain that the proceedings go failry and IMO, the inetrests of the children should be paramount.

<<If any judge, catholic or not, cannot do so, would be better to look for a different job.>> I agree. I odn't consider the mafia types to be legitimate Catholics; in fact I feel sorry for a lot of them, liek I got a littel msity eyed after watching the Godfather trilogy and seeing what became of Michael.

<<And, no self-proclaimed moral authority has any right to influence the work of judicial system in a democratic State.>> And how do you propose to enforce that? He is one man and not even an Italian, so how much influence can he have except that he is a voice everyone in teh world listens to, and not just Catholics. He can safely visit a monster like Castro or a degenerate like Clinton, and neitehr are Catholic. I don't even agree with teh Pope's request that the US lower its trade embargo, but teh Pope is not an Economist and he didn't declare hsi position anymore than a request.

The Pope cannot force anyone to vote in his favor. Under my Constitution he has the full right to speak his mind and even say thinsg that are unpopular. To limit him becuase he is the Pope is censorship. Besides, if some politician listens to the Pope, the voters will determine his fate.

<<would you really like the Pope to come in USA and start dictating law to the Congress?>> And the Congress cna choose whetehr or not to listen to him. He has as much right to present his views as anyone. If he enters the Senate, it would be cool to watch Ted Kenendy and Hillary Clinton burst into flames when the Pope's shadow touches them, plus he can give Strom Thurmond the last rites :)

He asked the late ex-Governor of Missouri to grant a prisoner on death row a stay of execution and teh Governor agred and felt good about doing it. The governor was not Catholic, either. He was a Baptist. Justice Scalia a Catholic disagrees with the Pope on capital punishment.

If he came to tell Congress what to do, it woudl be irrelevant. The Congress would vote the way they usually do, though if they vote in favor of the Pope, they mention that to their Catholic constituents.

Maybe this has to do with the differneces between Italy and America and that America is still largely Protestant though Catholics make up the swing voters. Besides, I will always see the Pope as the kindly loving old man in bad health than some inquisitor. Now maybe you could say that about Cardinal Ratzinger, but Cardinal Martini is a balance to Ratzinger.

<<Usually, though, early Sept. is a critical time for me, but I cannot know now what the situation will be in six months.>> How about April, like Easter time?

Invsi> <<Ah, So, True. I watched the orginal Scarface and I have to agree with you Pachino rules. ;)>> No H in my name. My full name is Thomas Muldrup Logan Forsyth. Pacino is the man. He was superb in Scent of a Woman and The Devil's Advocate (it amazes me that Kenu Reeves is actually capable of good acting). I also find Pacino's voice highly amusing in his tones and gestures. Granted in The Godfather, Tom Hagan was my favorite character, but Michael was second.

Golden Child> <<At the end of every episode, Pissy is foiled and he shakes his fist and yells out "Curse you, Jennifer Anderson!!" :P>> Pistoff is Dr. Claw? ;)

<<Are you related to Geraldo??>> I doubt Imzadi can create anything as amusing as the Jerry Falwell/Alan Dershowitz debates.

Siryn? You can call me Thomas or cutie :) <<We move a lot because he gets promoted and transferred a lot>> But he's now CEO, so how much more can he get promoted? I'd love to get a job like that, since my beloved is used to traveling growing up. I would also love to raise my kids into that sort of environement where tehy get to experience a lot fo culture. Of course its even better when you ahve American dollars that are worth a lot more in most of the interesting parts of the world.

Jenny> I love the pic, too.

Kaioto> I am gald to see you posting. I was wodneirng whtever happened to you. I guess Lexy si letting you out now ;)

Christine> I can get cyclical depression too. I think I amy also have a mild case of manic depression.

Fleur> I would be very greatful if you or someone else would mail me this parody. Please ::puppy dog eyes::
Thomas - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, Hessen, Germany
Friday, March 1, 2002 02:15:35 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Avalon Mists
The Spring 2002 issue is now posted. Click or go to http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/avmists/

This is my final issue as editor of AvMists. The torch is now passed to Stephen Sobotka. Congratualtions to him, thank you to everyone who voted, and special thanks to all of you who've contributed over the years to make this 'zine so successful.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 01:55:03 PM
IP: 64.24.186.65

Two weeks and counting till break: Good days are a comin'

Hey! Flur, dude, I'm not that messed up... I think. I... well no I guess I have done that, but I definitly have not thought I was a woman. That was great. Especially the horror towards Macs. (sorry Josh)

Crzy- I take it you just get numb to the stupidity of the world, wish I could do tha somedays.

Josh- although if you do pull someone into the room might I suggest after it wipes this week away.

Philosophy paper to write this weekend so I must prepare and knuckle down.

"FUBAR, big time."
-Cash,(Russell) Tango&Cash-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Friday, March 1, 2002 01:49:06 PM
IP: 129.120.230.108

Aimee > yep, isn't it ironic when someone who repeatedly states how much he doesn't care will spend hours and hours and write pages and pages proving how much he doesn't care? I feel sorry for people whose only means of defining themselves is by strident opposition to something else. All it does is give the 'something else' more power.

DPH > I'm sure that they carefully arrange the early line-ups when planning out the season. They wouldn't want to pit two big names against each other right off the bat. ::sigh:: And here we'd been planning for months that our anniversary present would be a trip to Treasure Island this May to see the new season live ... only to find that they've moved it to Orlando. Drat it all!

Lexy > it's going to be kind of difficult to wait and buy the book at the Gathering when I won't even be there this year ... been depriving yourself needlessly! And as for Lionnen's stuffed animal ... well, during rewrites it occurred to me that, entirely unintentionally, Lionnen Elyvorrin is Aiden Ferguson with ears ... so just guess what she takes to bed with her at night ; )

Thomas > ah, I doubt it's really the birthday. Depression is sometimes a cyclical thing and mine just rolls around in February. As for those folks you listed ending up in a place like the one where I work, all depends on diagnosis <g>

Fleur > thanks for the laugh!

Crzy > lovely pic!

Whoops, time to take Becca to school. Then I can finish up AvMists.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 12:00:46 PM
IP: 64.24.214.201

Jen/Crzy Demona -- Preeeeeety Picture!!!! Thanks for sharing it with us **^_^**

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Friday, March 1, 2002 11:26:48 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

*****For "Evil Dead"/"Army of Darkness" fans:*****

Anchor Bay is releasing a new "Evil Dead" 2-disc collectors edition DVD. It even comes in a "Necronomicon" case. Even though I already own "The Evil Dead - Special Collectors Edition" released by Elite Entertainment, I'm going to get the Anchor Bay version just to have the "Nec."

Leo
Yorktown, VA, USA
Friday, March 1, 2002 11:21:36 AM
IP: 172.154.108.227

Fleur> Usually I wouldn't poke my head in to post, but I just wanted to shake my fist at you. I _really_ don't want to have to print a change of pants to work just because I'm worried about the danger of soiling myself laughing.

Josh> Did you read Foxtrot the other day? The comic with the kid talking to his MacOSX machine about Unix underpinning and underpants? I thought you might appreciate it. :)

700 - owner has exclusive read, write, and execute privileges.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 11:06:45 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Jen> Thankyou. ^_^

AWESOME PICTURE!!! :D *applauds* I LOVE your pencils!! :D

(okay..enough out of me for today. ehhe. ^_^;;;)
Siryn
Friday, March 1, 2002 10:14:18 AM
IP: 138.89.92.50

OOPS! I forgot to link the pic I did for Patrick and Kathy!! Clicky clicky!

Siryn - I am mailing the story to you right now.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<--- Here comes trouble!]
Friday, March 1, 2002 10:02:32 AM
IP: 67.227.14.231

Jenn> I would like to read the story. (just to get an idea of what everyone is talking about)

*HUGS Jenn, Aimee, Mitch, and Patrick*

Lexy> I wrote you back! Will write more today!! :D Sorry bf whisked me away to his parents house right after I got back from Boston. O.o;;;

Green Baron> (heh..just realized there are two GB's in this room..so I have toi write out names. ;D) I try. ^_^:; Umm no, actually..my dad's the CEO of a company there.. ^_^;; We move a lot because he gets promoted and transferred a lot. ^_^;; I think I've moved a least once for every year I've been part of this fandom.

Greg B.> (the other GB! ;D) (re encouragement) you bet! I'll be head of the Gathering pep squad from now on! ^_^ But seriously, I try to help out people whenever I can and offer encouragement, so I don't think I'll have a problem helping you there! <:D

ANddddddddddd....*drumroll* (I'm posting here because I don't have access to update the site for the moment)

Mascot Name: Roanoake

Winner: Christy 'Beedoo' Radosevich

Honorable mention to Christi Smith Hayden (Spike) who also submitted the name.

Thankyou to everyone who entered!

Ps. (I did update the webpage yesterday so there is new stuff there! ^_^;;)
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 09:57:54 AM
IP: 138.89.92.50

Fleur - OMG!! That was hysterical!! ::applauds::

Josh - <> No, you just sit back and sensationalize it all. Hmm... Are you related to Geraldo?? (...speaking of people that others want to beat up). For the record, I do not want to kick your ass this week. ;) << Not while I breathe >> Not while I breathe either. That was a glimpse of Pissy's little fantasy world... not mine. It's like watching an episode of 'Buzz Lightyear'. At the end of every episode, Pissy is foiled and he shakes his fist and yells out "Curse you, Jennifer Anderson!!" :P << I'm sorry dude, but you're starting to sound like an idiot.>> Sounds like you are just jealous cuz the voices only talk to him!! hee hee!

?Friend? Just a buddy, or in the Monty Python wink wink nudge nudge sort of way??

-- Brooklyn (As written by Fleur)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Friday, March 1, 2002 09:54:16 AM
IP: 67.227.14.231

Josh> Awwr? Which version you reading..there are two versions of it. Unless, I uploaded the wrong version of that story to the archives. Hmm, I have to check that out. You also mention stories, have you been reading my stories alll along? If you have, I would have liked to have known of this some time ago. There is a email asking for comments.

Jen> I thank you for agreeing with me.

Thomas H> Ah, So, True. I watched the orginal Scarface and I have to agree with you Pachino rules. ;)
Invsi Xavier - [tjarred@hotmail.com]
From the, city of, Sin
Friday, March 1, 2002 08:28:02 AM
IP: 24.189.100.203

Josh:> <<because I believe that when you die you rot. Therefore you stop loving, or feeling anything else for that matter. >> But where is the fun in this? Hmm...well, maybe now I understand why so many people decide to give up reason for religion...Anyway, I must admit I cannot effectively conteract your point, due to lack of experimental data. Once I will have acquired them, we will resume the discussion...;)
<<The pope would argue that he has the right to interfere with all catholics, though>> But, IMO, not to impose his views to a State that is, for definition, a not-religious entity.
<<They're too expensive and they take too long to build and upgrade. >> Hm...if you use them corectly, though, they can repay their value. Although, as I said, they're a bit too fragile to be used as assault units. But, a Garg-fan cannot finish a Terran battle without building at least some Goliaths. It is a matter of principle, I think...;)

Thomas:> <<You can always call me the soldier formerly known as the Green Baron :)>> Hm...too long. I think I will stick to Thomas or Green Baron, according to my humor...;)
<< As for the number of religious marriages that increased, how many were lifelong,>> Well, since the Church does not admit that a marriage end unless there is a valid (for the Church) anullment reason, the question is pointless. Anyway, the divorce rate has been quite stable since the introduction of the law...for sure, there was not that tidal wave of breaking families that the most apocaliptic sectors of the Vatican predicted.
<<catholic judges and divorces>> Nonsense. A judge, when doing his job, must only apply the law. Nothing more, nothing less. The judge's personal views, both moral and religious, must be left out of the door. And there is a logic in this, cause law is written and equal for everyone (at least, it is supposed to), while morals are different for every single person of this world. You claim that Catholic judges should be exempted from cases of divorce. And, after that? Will Muslim criminals be judged only by Muslim Judges? Or the opposite, by any non-muslim judge? Why? Is the result supposed to change according to the judge's personal beliefs? A judge must, for his function, keep morals and work separated. If any judge, catholic or not, cannot do so, would be better to look for a different job. And, no self-proclaimed moral authority has any right to influence the work of judicial system in a democratic State. By the way, since we are in topic: would you really like the Pope to come in USA and start dictating law to the Congress?
<<Maybe April or later. Will you be bsuy in early September>> Early Sept. ? Hmm...cannot be sure now. Usually, though, early Sept. is a critical time for me, but I cannot know now what the situation will be in six months. A 50% right now.

Fleur:> <grins> Nice piece, I must say. I had a couple of good grins out of it...and, I am eventually relieved I wasn't quoted...at least, not as far as I've seen. Oh, by the way: Welcome back. It's been a while since the last time we've seen you in here. :)

Bye!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Friday, March 1, 2002 08:04:51 AM
IP: 213.213.100.95

Fleur > LOL! Now THAT is a parody. :)

GB > Dilbert erotica? "I don't think so, Tim." Just not envisioning that anything good could come of a Wally & Dilbert slash scene... and besides, I've got too many creativity demons still left in the ficverse kathy and I already play in. >:)

Speaking of which...

Jen > Why don't you share the link for that pretty new pic you did for me? :)

kathy > Snow... yeah, we got hammered, too. And it's been nuts here in other ways besides the weather, too. But I'll have some new material for you to look over by the end of the weekend. I promise! :)

First day of March and TGIF! :: bounces off to work ::

"It's the ONLY month that starts with 'Feb'. Yes, Mr. Connery?"
"FEBtober!"
- SNL, "Celebrity Jeopardy"
Patrick Toman
Friday, March 1, 2002 07:20:38 AM
IP: 66.72.203.100

GB> You're into Ravenloft? Me didn't know that. :) Ever been to the Kargatane website?

If he was still around, I would guess the CR would be Mr. Dis Connect's domain. ;) Obviously, his curse is to compulsively cause connection problems for people, after which they enter a homicidal rage and kill him. Over, and over, and over...
JEB
Friday, March 1, 2002 07:07:34 AM
IP: 172.164.37.17

I have good news. Today, I passed my record PT test with a score of 229 out of a possible 300. In two minutes, I amde 60 pushups, 60 situps, and ran two miles in 15:31. Now, I knwo I need to improve as I can always do ebtter, but thsi is a good sign for me. This is also teh ebst score I ever received, as I am physically not a model of the standard ARMY grunt.

In other news, I have a new asanine theory. What is the relationship between SJ and Pistoff. Are they thsi tight or is SJ simply a firebug who enjoys throwing fuel on flame wars and feasting on smores to celebrate the carnage. Is Doug Elder a part of this, too? Is traveler? Is Todd Jensen the time traveling son of Demona Crzy (Jensen=Son of Jen)? Am I slowly returning to a more fun loving brand of insanity? Did Tim Phipps get caught with a jelly donut in his footlocker? iS Patrick Toman planning to wirte Dilbert Erotica?

On anoteh rnote, for teh D&D/Ravenloft fans, I was looking at my Ravenloft stuff and had a weird Creativity Demon. What if the TGS CR was a Ravenloft Domain? Who wuld be the Darklord? What about stats?

Other questions. Would it be cruel if I named a mentally retarded child Timmy. Are Wilek, Gside, and Fire Storm in need of being committed in Christien's workplace? Should I be committed there?

If anyone found these comments amusing, then I am happy :)
The Soldier formerly known as the Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, Hessen (yep like the Hessians we fought in the Revolution), Federal Republic Formerly known as the Holy Roman Empire
Friday, March 1, 2002 06:07:55 AM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Wow, a little boy who gets off by being compared to a fictional villian.

how old are you "sevarious"? You work at some computer place where your job doesn't require enough of your time to actually keep you from stalking the net looking for people who dissagree with you.

People you don't even know. people who have NO EFFECT ON YOUR "real" life. and yet you probably spend hours in here waiting for someone to bait you.
how many hours and DAYs did you and Fred spend on that little hate diatribe?
and you say that you don't care?

Does that make you feel safe and strong to be a "bad-arse"?
Do you go to bed chuckling thinking "ho ho, someone thought I was a villian today".

gee, what a thing to be proud of. you're a villain to a few people on the internet that you don't even know.

if this is such a waste of your time then why the heck are you still posting PAGES of replies in here.

get a grip and some perspective. you're not fooling anyone.
Aimee
Friday, March 1, 2002 03:05:22 AM
IP: 66.120.228.175

Howdy hoes.

I did, in fact, kick ass on my open-book midterm this week: 38/40. I still don't have my structures test back, but I'm not gonna worry about it any longer.

Meanwhile, my bastard roommate finally has an interview at Apple. No word about me yet.

Met another garg fan today! He was over at my apartment (he's a friend of my roommates) and while he was looking at my machine he noticed the sweet garg icons all over the place. He demanded them. We got into talking about TGS and stuff, and maybe he'll come around.

replies

Invsi: You need a lot of editing in your stories. They are nearly impossible to read due to your incredibly poor grammar. Spelling needs work too. You place commas all over the story whether they are needed or not and your tenses never match up, even in the same sentence. It may be porn, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't hold yourself to some standards of legibility.

Guandalug: <<what about asking the maintainer?>>: Who would ever think of such a thing?

Patrick: <<IMO, being a little bit twisted adds interest>>: I didn't say being a pervert was a BAD thing 8-) <<Thank the automotive gods for 4WD>>: I hear ya. 4WD rocks.

Kathy: <<You write interesting things>>: Yeah, right. Like what? <>: How can I fix that? I could post in Gside's style, but then my posts would be even LONGER. Is it a grammar issue? I always thought my technical writing was rather spotless (at least my teachers seem to think so).

Mooncat: <<Sam, Riley's new wife>>: Riley got married? How did that happen? <>: I think it makes perfect sense, matching his corn-fed farmboy deal. <<Sooooo tired of seeing Buffy working at the burger joint, and becoming a beaten down wage slave>>: She should be charging for her services. <<I'd rather do fics with Demona making out with other hotties>>: Buffy is a hottie!

Greg X: <>: All the more reason to post sooner. <<next year it'll probably be me needing the words of encouragment>>: With your ego? I doubt it. <<He's not a moralist, he's just fucked up>>: They're different? <<Though he did try to take over Germany before that>>: I don't think that makes him evil. <<it's morally wrong to even think about making a movie of "Lord of the Rings">>: I'm sorry, but I've studied ethics and morals in two classes, and...HOW does that work!? <<You can't get away from God, but that's moot cause God is a laid back Buddhist>>: He's also a furry blue snaggletoothed hippo. <<But in this case, you are wrong>>: LOL! <<$20 if it's finished and posted tonight!>>: Be careful, he might hold you to it. << Get him to come to the Gathering>>: NO! We do NOT want a cop at Gathering!

Spacebabie: <<When I went to blow it instead of snot the tissues was full of blood>>: Thank you for the lovely image. <<Last night the temperature fell faster than Clinton�s pants at a Intern convention>>: That's fast! <<I�m not going to touch this topic with a ten foot poll>>: What's a poll? <<All the time?>>: You wish. <<Only if your going>>: Sadly, I have other roomming arrangements if I go. But you can be on the list. <<What are you going to do about that?>>: Don't make me come over there. <<Wow an open book test. How can you fail that?>>: You'd be surprised. Usually the profs make them open book because a) the book won't help you or b) the test covers SOOOO much material that you can't possibly memorize it all. Either way, the test is impossible. <<Whatever happened to Don�t ask don�t tell>>: Went out with the democrats.

Thomas: <<Birthdays are happy occassions, until you reach 50>>: Sometimes younger. Hell, 18 wasn't too great a birthday for me. <<If the Economy seriously tailspins like Germany's, a pizza delivery boy with a lot of anger could take over the Pacific Northwest>>: That's not funny. <>: I don't like the idea of anyone's tax dollars going to feed criminals, which is why I favor the death penalty. <<Like Richard Gere?>>: He said buddhist, not gerbil-lover. <<Its funny how someone always uses the argument that people he doesn't agree with aren't thinking for themselves>>: Lots of people use that argument. Especially in this comment room. <<Archives are good to maintain and I think they are a blessing since they let you see what you missed>>: Furthermore, its important that they be true archives. I can understand filtering posts for the room itself, but once an archive is formed it should never be removed/deleted/edited. <<There are still people convinced Janet Reno is really a woman.>>: Not me! <<But you have hair>>: So?

Lexy: <<Josh- Ups!..forgot to shake my fist at you for that last one. *shakes fist at you*>>: Huh!? What'd I do?

Sevarius: <<Yes, let's take this to the police. I can firmly tell you that they will talk to you in a comforting voice, tell you they'll get right on it, have you fill out some paperwork, and NOTHING will ever happen to him. Trust me, I know these things>>: I'm sorry dude, but you're starting to sound like an idiot. Not ignorant, just foolish and arrogant and stupid. <<Wouldn't that kind of be odd, though? To stalk my double?>>: I was implying that other people might. <<You KNOW I actually take being called "Moriarty" a compliment>>: I would. He rocks.

Crzy: <>: Don't let your head get too big. <>: Not while I breathe. <<The Golden Child>>: What? How did this come about?

Fleur: <<Fifty-third verse, same as the first>>: Isn't that true for any flame war? <<As for the link, I probably owe everybody an apology>>: Hey watch it! I take personal offense to that, as I am NOT involved in all of this stupid drama. And not EVERYONE wants to beat me up! By my estimates, there are only 3-5 people in here (more when the weather cools down) that actually want to cause me physical harm in a non-sexual way. And lets not even mention what spacebabie wants to do to me...and of course, you left out MY sexual issues 8-) Otherwise, absolutely hysterical!

Gside: <<apparently petting the penguin actually is a euphamism>>: For? <<MIT students tend to be somewhat warped>>: MIT students? Warped? I don't believe it. <>: Me too. <<Which, according to Fire Storm, is at least yearly>>: Daily I think. <<why isn't there more Samus porn>>: I dunno. She's not anime-ish enough? <>: Everyone ELSE seems to be able to figure it out. Should I post more like you and FS instead? <>: How on EARTH did you do that? <<and your rescue effort may require the help of the little man in the boat>>: I think I just figured out who the little man in the boat is. But why is he called that? <<Like topics from the next book>>: LOL so true. <<I'm not completely happy being grouped with all the other perverts>>: Why? You're just as bad as I am.

Alright, enough with the flame war stuff. Good nite.

It's below absolute zero, but the Microsoft software still isn't solid.
-Dav Holle

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, March 1, 2002 02:32:16 AM
IP: 64.161.25.25

Imzadi> <<Probably because there's just no joke in slapping a penguin>>: No, but apparently petting the penguin actually is a euphamism.
<<But is spacebabie in it?>>: We must ask her. Spacebabie?
<<He should get a medal>>: I'm sure he did.
<<Is that good or bad?>>: Seeing how MIT students tend to be somewhat warped, I'd say good.
<<And I told it to do so, but it just sits there>>: But you're not telling it the right way.
<<No? VOTING IS OPENED!>>: I vote yea.
<<What about the bottom brain?>>: It hasn't had a chance to work much.
<<Well, probably when Hell freezes over>>: Which, according to Fire Storm, is at least yearly.
<<And she looks great in a bikini too!>>: You'd better believe it. So why isn't there more Samus porn?
<<Or, if he's smart, out of the wedding entire>>: But there are many who think it just might be worth it.

Kathy> <>: I just got used to looking for angle brackets.

Spacebabie> <>: Any relation to Philly cheese(steak)?
<<My first spontaneous nose bleed>>: I can beat that. I once sneezed a jelly bean through my nose.
<<Naw, he is still the prisoner of Lethys>>: but I don't know where Lethys is in relation to you, and your rescue effort may require the help of the little man in the boat.
<<Wow an open book test. How can you fail that?>>: When it's open book, that means they can make the questions insanely difficult without any remorse. Like topics from the next book.

Fleur Rhine> <<As for the link, I probably owe everybody an apology>>: Eh, I'm not completely happy being grouped with all the other perverts, but I can deal.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Friday, March 1, 2002 02:22:38 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Fleur -- *ROTFLMAO* ooohh!!! That was funny!!! *^_^* Nice piece of work. That is what a parody really should be, amusing and slightly wicked.

Thanks for writing.
Mooncat
Mooncat
Friday, March 1, 2002 01:41:14 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Don't ask me to justify this - there is none. I don't even know the reasons, except an appreciation for the downright ridiculous and this little ditty running through my head:

Fifty-third verse, same as the first
Jen thinks Fred's an asshole, Fred thinks Jen is worse.

Because, you know, I haven't heard _enough_ of this allready. For those involved, just so there's no misunderstandings, I'm not on Pissy's side, or Crzy's side, I'm in the middle wearing a glaze-eyed expression of boredom. Only thing this BS is good for is bringing old friends out of lurkdom. Of course, since it's usually at least part of the reason these people went into lurkdom in the first place, that's kinda a moot point.

As for the link, I probably owe everybody an apology. I'll probably give one when my inner bitch releases the controls for my brain.
Does anybody else mind that it's a self-insertion? ;)
Fleur "ranting she-bitch" Rine - [<- Because I'm nasty.]
Friday, March 1, 2002 12:45:50 AM
IP: 203.25.148.63

SJ > Yesterday it was parody... today it's a game... hey, let us know when you and Fred make up your minds, m'kay?
Patrick Toman
Thursday, February 28, 2002 09:34:57 PM
IP: 66.72.197.126

Games? That's cute. But the police didn't think it was a game at all. They are keeping an open report (Santa Clara Valley Station - Report #2002-18613, if you feel like checking on it) and any time he mentions this fic or me anywhere on the internet I am to immediately report it back to them. They were VERY interested in the "With a Bang" rant and this story. I also supplied them with that love note that Fred wrote me back at the end of 1999.

I must admit, the police were also very concerned with those who he has verbally attacked in the past that live significantly closer to him than I do. I was advised to tell them to contact their local authorities immediately as well.

SJ, you were right that Xavier got it.. right when he said "I have to agree with the rest of you that with pistoff's latest he has certainly taken a header into the pool of full-blown insanity". Dead on, baby! DEAD ON!

You know, if you and Fred have SO many better things to do with your time, like you keep proclaiming you do... then I am amazed at all LACK of ANYTHING more productive to do than fill up 80 pages with bad fanfic about people you claim you could care less about. Obsessed much, boys? I mean, I know I'm a hottie... but give me a break here. I can only handle so many fans at once!

It seems that if you or Fred are looking for sympathy (since I am assuming that is your "game" you keep talking about) you aren't going to get much here.

You see, I already have this entire comment room under my control... my powers have altered their minds to reject this pathetic fanfic and it's writers and bow down to ME!. :P Ooops!... sorry... I forgot that this isn't Planet Pistoff!

Once again Fred, I win. You lose. Damn, it sucks to be you. ::SMILES::
Jennifer "The Golden Child" Anderson
Thursday, February 28, 2002 08:47:07 PM
IP: 67.227.14.230

<<Hmm, I wonder what Pistoff will write in prison.>>

The Book of G'Kar. That is, if anyone had any shit to convict him, which they don't. Just silly little threats against him; nothing that would stand up in court.

<<the police disaggree with you>>

Yes, let's take this to the police. I can firmly tell you that they will talk to you in a comforting voice, tell you they'll get right on it, have you fill out some paperwork, and NOTHING will ever happen to him. Trust me, I know these things. There is ONE avenue which I suspect could be taken, but it doesn't involved any sort of jail time.

Greg: <<No he doesn't. Didn't you detect the sarcasm dripping from that post? >>

Didn't you detect the sarcasm dripping from mine? Sorry, I guess I should have written that in big bold type.

Aris: <>

He doesn't. Aris, you REALLY don't know the game being played here, so you're wrong there.

<<SJ, Fred is disturbed>>

It would be hard for me to really explain why that's inaccurate, given the climate, but it is. It wouldn't matter anyway. I'll say again: you don't know the game being played here. That's not nearly the answer you or anyone want, but that's just what I'll say and leave it at that.

<<And "worth stalking"? *Worth* stalking? As if stalking someone is a compliment to their "worth"? Don't get all disturbing too, man. The point of stalking is the stalker's obsession, it's not a flattery towards the person stalked. >>

Let me clarify, since I'm getting "disturbing" too, man. Fred would never stalk anyone in this CR, or anyone in this fandom. If you want to discuss this further, email me. I don't know if I could clarify it to your liking, but I could try.

<<As a sidenote I wonder if I'm one of the people who were "ran out of town", or one of the "ass-kissers" he describes.>>

No. I don't think I've ever heard Fred mention your name, except perhaps when you left because of Doug's nonsense, in which case if anything he was sympathetic. I guess you're not "worthy" enough to "stalk" in his fics.

Josh: <<Speak for yourself! I know I am!>>

Wouldn't that kind of be odd, though? To stalk my double?

Mooncat: <<Not to be mean, but IMHO, except for the sick bits, it was pretty much boring.>>

What can I tell you? Maybe I can talk him into working some slash into the next one, just for you.

Mara: <<SJ: Always with the negative waves Moriarti... at least you're consistent in picking at scabs. >>

You KNOW I actually take being called "Moriarty" a compliment.

Stephen: <<And SJ, one more thing; we may not see eye to eye on a lot of things, and i'll certainly allow you to have your views just as I have mine, but if I were you I'd put some distance between yourself and "Pistoff". >>

That won't happen. By now, you should know me just well enough to recognize my sadomasochistic tendencies and the fact that I just don't give a damn.

Oh, and might I suggest to all of you to read Xavier's post. Specifically the paragraph beginning with "Plus". Because *DING DING DING!!!* Xavier DOES know the game being played. Xavier, congrats for getting it when the others didn't.

Sevarius "Dark Madness" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 28, 2002 08:00:30 PM
IP: 66.44.72.72

Christine - The guy may have retired for this season, but that guy has a sponsor: Loctite. I am willing to bet that guy works for Loctite corporation because he's had sponsorship from them for years. Frankly, I believe BioHazard should have won the title last season. As much as BioHazard has been around, he has to have a good driver by now, so I am fairly convinced he made into the quarter finals at least. The only type of bot that I can see beating BioHazard would be a spinner; however, I believe the officials would try to arrange so that BioHazard and Vlad the Impaler wouldn't meet until the part of the tournament that was aired on television. I don't think it's a concidence that two spinning battlebots have not met each other in (televised) combat (correct me, if I am wrong). I am sure that each bot is evaluated and given a seed number. Once seed numbers are assigned, I imagine the tournament is put together in a manner similiar to the NCAA basketball tournament, except with a lot more rungs. The battle with the pack raptors was good, but I see lots of room for improvement. The two pack raptors should have attacked at the same time, instead of making it a one-on-one battle.

GXB - <You are a moralist, that's why I find it fun to try to corrupt you into joining the "Dark Powers"> You can't convert me online. How can I trust an amoralist IRL? The only way to get me to join the "dark powers" is to convince me logically that being good and being evil yield the same results. That ain't going to happen.

Kathy - <About your back: does your chiropractor have you doing any physical therapy or just the adjustments?> I was doing therapy (back exercises) last year (that part is supposed to be covered by insurance). He has recommended walking to help improve my back. I had worked my way up to walkign 2 1/2 miles last year, but the cold weather stopped that. (Also, add in that took about 1 1/2 hours - half the time walking, half the time recovering.)

Thomas - <Lousy Anna, now? Don't make me break out the first cousin jokes> Then, I will pull out a new joke I heard: LA stands for 3 things: Los Angeles, Lousiana, and Lower Arkansas. <BTW, how old is your dad?> Mid fifties, I believe.

There is a new war going on outside. My friend's mom has a dog and she is living with my friend. That dog is used to playing with cats, but my cats aren't used to a dog.

GXB - I finally found a way to prove the Vorlons aren't that advanced: why didn't they create wormholes to save time traveling between destroying planets? Think about how much more efficient they could have been.

DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, February 28, 2002 05:26:44 PM
IP: 204.94.193.45

Josh- Ups!..forgot to shake my fist at you for that last one. *shakes fist at you* *frowns* *goes to driver's Ed to watch 'videos'* -_-;
Lexy
Thursday, February 28, 2002 05:13:10 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Christine<< you have GOT to get a copy of Silversilk, sweetie>> *sweat drops* yes..yes I KNOW! I was going to be good, and wait till the Gathering..but..>;)

<<wait until you see the magic stuffed animal that Lionnen totes around. You'll love it <g>.>> magic..stuffed..animal!??? AWWWW!! *pouts at her huge pile of stuffed animals on her bed* must be nice!

<<As for Miralina being cool, she is from Lenais, an entirely different country, where they have no problem with human/elven relations.>> That's interesting that the ppl of the Emerin are so..well snobby. *ponders why they think they are so special*

I told a friend about Silversilk being available. I told her the cover was pretty..so she automatically assumed I had a copy already. "YOU GOT YOURS BEFORE ME??? _AND_ didn't tell me!? Have you been reading it too!? How could you!" *L* I told her NO, and that I was going to wait..to which she cackled and swore to buy her's first, and read every bit before me. So..I guess I do have to buy a copy >:)

Lexy
Thursday, February 28, 2002 04:56:16 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Spacebabie> <<Last night the temperature fell faster than Clinton�s pants at a Intern convention.>> or teh warm weather disappeared like an intern in Gary Condit's Office :)

<<My brother bought Sims for the computer and already I�m in to it. My brother managed to kill one of the original family�s in a fire. Orphaning their daughter. My character named after me moved into to their house.>> I have occasionally killed Sims off, like that, though on occassion, I just screw up and accidentally foregt to teach them cooking, so oops. I also did soemthing involvcing a balck hole that restored all tehri points, but it had teh negative effect of making teh family unable to greet anyone.

<<Whatever happened to Don�t ask don�t tell.>> That's not the reason. It is kind of tacky to go in the Office in your bathrobe.

<<Don�t know about that. I know Creole society is the backdrop for a lot of her stories>> I remember one of them. I remember Once on Esplanade was about that, too, and it mentions teh Villere family which is my grandmotehr's maiden name.

<<What if the so called �real� character is Osama Bin Laden Or that Psycho that drowned her babies in Texas. I think we have a right to mutilate those people in fiction.((Laughs about last night�s Sout Park))>> Big difference there. One is an international figure of public dislike. It would be like me writing a TimeDancer fanfic and having Oliver Cromwell as a villain or the RPs where I've killed off Baldwins, Hillary, bashed Ted Kennedy, had Benny Hinn wet his pants, wiped out Ian Paisley and Sinead O'Connor in a manner similar to Raiders of the Lost Ark. These are not peopel I have nay personal involvement with. They are public figures that I bash in RPs using various references (like the way Warren beatty got shot by thiseguy mob was akin to how Bugsy Seagal got shot in the movie starring Beatty as Bugsy). This was for one not funny, and two was not a public celebrity figure. The only amusing quality to teh fanfic is to see and catch how many peopel in the fandom were named in the fic. I completely missed references to Toman.

<<Aris Posted!!!! OMG :::Runs around the room like a chicken with it�s head cut off.�>> And JEB posted.

Christine> <<Ugh, I have been in a blue study all week. I have a tendency toward depressive episodes around this time every year, and I'm not sure why (the days are getting longer again so it can't be Seasonal Affective). Maybe it's the knowledge that my birthday is rolling relentlessly closer like some dwarven war engine ... >> ::hugs:: Nah! You shouldn't feel that bad Birthdays are happy occassions, until you reach 50 ;)

Greg B> <<Not moral outrage. But I was an abused child, so I felt I had to put in my own $.02 worth>> That doe ssuck, what your dad did to you. I would enevr be like, especially about wnating my son to be soem jock, though I'd be ata a loss if he wanted to be athletic, since I wouldn't eb much help. It's not like I'll create the next Generation of Clan Forsyth anytime soon, and not after learning more about being a godo parent and avoiding all the pitfalls (like being too strict, or too overprotective, since I consider overprotection a form of abuse). I will also use my good old boys network to help get them summer jobs, too, when they are in their teens.

<<Was that supposed to be Greg Weisman, or was it supposed to be me? Probably both. Greg Weisman and I are the same person, I KNEW IT!!!>> Greg W isn't evil and you ahve a lot more hair.

At least you don't completely ignore me.

<<Hmm, I wonder what Pistoff will write in prison ;)>> You know that is scary. Hitler was a modern artist and he became an Emperor. If the Economy seriously tailspins like Germany's, a pizza delivery boy with a lot of anger could take over the Pacific Northwest. I soemhow doubt Pistoff will go to prison. If he did anything, he'd probably try and martyr hismelf in the process. I don't liek teh dieas of Jen's tax dollars going to feeding Fred if he is locked up for this.

<<You can't get away from God, but that's moot cause God is a laid back Buddhist.>> Like Richard Gere?

<<They'll keep doing it. Apparantly we're all under a spell of some kind. Or are not smart enough to think for ourselves.>> Its funny how someone always uses the argument that people he doesn't agree with aren't thinking for themselves.

<<She did a better job of it then I ever could.>> She's more used to this too.

Kathy> <<Question for you. Is your faith about the rituals or does it go deeper? If it's the latter, as I suspect, then don't beat yourself up.>> It is the latter, but the rituals represent the latter. I guess I'm not entirely to blame, since it was at 9 am and i had flag detail at 5:45 that same morning. One thing I really don't like about the german bases is that instead of being a post, they are islands spread all over the city. The Catholci chapel is a good distance from me. Its too far tto walk and teh city bus going tehre doesn't start until 1pm. I miss how in the US, the Chapels were all within walking distance.

It's more some of my bizarre ideas that make me realize I'm not that good a Catholic. at leats I knwo I'm wrong and I can work to fix that. Now, I need to get the time ready to go. I alos think part of my problem is that I'm not used to teh amount fo independence I actually have and its a system shock. For a long time, I thought about chaptering out fo the ARMY or going AWOL. You'll be in Georgia during mid-July right. I'll be there then, provided my leave gets approved.

Aris> I'm glad to see you back in the CR. You really shouldn't censure yourself, and since Bud-Claire ain't in this CR, I can call you dude ;)

<<As a sidenote I wonder if I'm one of the people who were "ran out of town", or one of the "ass-kissers" he describes. It seems that out of the people who *ever* were in this forum, one can only be the one or the other. But I never accused anyone of *making* me leave, I only decided it for myself (after a skirmish with Doug) because I was getting involved in too many flame-wars. So I must be one of the ass-kissers. Heh. Funny that>> I didn't see any mention of an Aris or a Katsaris or a variation. Now, Patrick Toman was supposedly mentioned, but I missed that. I don't think you ever had any quarrel with Pistoff, so you're not in there.

<<shrugs :: IMO, being a little bit twisted adds interest... just like with bonsai. And since those who actually know well me like me as I am, I shall quote Archie Bunker and say ":P" to my detractors.>> You need to have a raspberry wave to fully accompany that :P, though.

Invsi> <<when all of the citzens in a completly suburban town started to whip out Rocket Lanchers and the such.>> You never know with suburban towns, though ;) As for Scarface 2002, that would eb scary. I liked Scarface as it was, especilly since Al Pacino is one of the best actors ever.

Imzadi> <> He does have that efefct. I think we may be guilty of teh "feeding teh bears" syndrome by indulging him.

<<Then it wouldn't be an archive.>> Archives are good to maintain and I think they are a blessing since they let you see what you missed.

<<Since we don't restrict our discussions, we often have flame wars.>> The only downside is that some people take it too personally.

<<What's scarier is that she convinced them. >> Not really. We were more sexist back then. There are still people convinced Janet Reno is really a woman.

<<Independence is a GOOD thing.>> I agree with you there, but when you're not used to it and you finally gain in a large dose instead of piecemeal, you sometiems react to it badly. I'm a very big fan of phasing in anything insetad of heaping it on all at once.

<<No, its anyone who doesn't scratch the itch and has their behavior affected by it.>> I don't knwo if I'd be nay different otherwise; I may be more screwed up. At leats I knwo I'm not entirely right. I hope teh majority of my trouble is chemical. That's easier to fix.

<<What are the odds of that?>> It can happen on blue moons and stuff.

<<Sure, no ones rubbing MY head.>> But you have hair.

BTW, I saw Heat, so I can see hwo Natalie would be attractive to a 14 year old, though she was more a subplot to the battle between DeNiro and Pacion (too of my favorite actors). It's odd taht I'm not Italian but I love movies that feature DeNiro, Pacino, Coppola. Wait, that's being American to love movies like Godfather and Goodfellas.

Mooncat> <<Not to be mean, but IMHO, except for the sick bits, it was pretty much boring. Brooklyn as a pizza delivery boy is about as riviting as Buffy working in the Double Meat palace.>> Exccept the writers of Buffy don't ahve tehir day job as burger flippers. I admit Buffy working construction was much funnier.

Shinigami> Moriarti, I take it you're not referring to the Conan Doyle villain, there. You're doing a beautiful job of extermism.

Pistoff discussion> I think we're all feeding teh bears by discussing it, though it always makes an interesting discussion.

Patrick> I prefer oxford dictionary, but that is always cool to know word parodies. I completely missed teh aprt about you being a pervert, though.

Jennifer> <<This is all so very amusing... and the bonus is... that my local deputy Sheriff is a HUGE Gargoyles fan! I let him play with my Brooklyn action figures while we filled out the report. WHOO!>> Tahts' pretty cool. Its always good to keep on godo terms with soem folks in the Police dept, especially with kids approaching their teens ;)

The clsoest I have is that DA Harry Connick (yes his son is Harry Connick, Jr) will ask me to take up the collection at Mass sometimes.

SJ> <<Stick to making bizarre remarks about child-rearing, Tommy, you're over-reacting.>> I sure hope so, but he's not got a whole lot to live for, plus if he gets arrested, hsi standard of living improves.

Siryn> <<Eh..I try. ^_^;; With mum and dad in Korea, Mary does get lonely...she doesn't like moving at ALL (really hates it in fact) so..I try to let her know I'm there.>> That's good to do. I'm certain I'll visit my sister on occasion, like when I'm nearby (I called her on New Year's and she was actually happy to hear from me. Absence is good to get along with your family better). We don't see eye to eye, but once I have a good old boys network in place, she'll have rights to benefit from it for jobs and stuff.

Did your parents retire to Seoul? It is certainly more interesting than a condo in Southern Florida. I have heard that is very polluted, though I would love to visit that area of the world.

Shadowrider> <<Green Baron...er...Thomas>> You can always call me the soldier formerly known as the Green Baron :)

<<Hmm...I suspect that the reality behind many divorces is more complex than you or me can believe. Personally, I repeat, I consider divorce as a right of the person.>> I am not arguing with you there, as far as our secular laws go.

<> Well, tehy can seperate. Its more the whole fourth and fifth marriage stuff that bothers me.Lord knows it can be bad on the kids.

<<You mention the high divorce rate in USA...I don't know the stats, but when here in Italy divorce was introduced, the Church screamed for months that it was "The end of the family". Instead, not only the number of marriages (religious marriages I mean) did not fall, but eventually increased. Like in many other things, the Church's fears and positions are at the very best exaggerated.>> Its a matter of opinion and perspective. As for the number of religious marriages that increased, how many were lifelong,a nd of thsoe that weren't, how many were justifiable anulment grounds?

<< have nothing agains it -it is their opinion- but what I cannot accept is the Pope inviting all the "Catholic lawyers and judges" to stop practicing divorces. The Pope has no right to interfere with the application of the laws in a democratic state.>> He isn't interfering, unless teh Swiss Guard enters the Federal Buildings and aim their halberds at the politicians (not that effective for a politcial body that woudl probably bite their thumbs at the gesture and fire off a few rounds of their semis). The Catholic judges and lawyers reallys houdln't be too involved in such cases, and if they give a shit about their faith instead of just paying lip service, they wouldn't be doing that anyway, but sometimes we have to be reminded. Besides, with Catholcis laying off those lucrative cses, taht means much more for all teh lawyers and judges who are Jewish, Protestant, atheist and agnostic, so it won't affect that much. I don't think we'll eevr see eye to on eye on these types of issues. i don't think i'll eb able to hit Milan in March. Maybe April or later. Will you be bsuy in early September?

Warpmind> <<Longboat through Panama, my tail... If anything, I'd use the airlines. (Though, funds are tight right now; so it'd probably not be until 'round summer, if then...)>> But the airlines won't allow you to take your longsword and battle axe anymore ;)

Selanit> That remidns me. How was Oxford?

Niamhgold> <<What are the ingredients, exactly? For some reason, I've always associated it with Baklava>> Their is no honey in it, though. Turkish delight is not a sweet or sticky and no filo dough, either. it uses spring water, powdered sugar, but I forget the rest. I think I stil have the box with the ingredients.

<<Well, I don't know about god, but I think you'll get your wish. You're not undeserving of retirement/honeymooning ;)>> Now i just need to learn Turkish.

<<Can I ask...why does everyone make marriage plans this time of year? And why does everyone *make* marriage plans? I am so removing my organs, and replacing them with cybernetic implants ;)>> I think spring calls for marraige. Well, marraiges should be planned, as opposed to whirlwind romances that caused as much emotional damage as a whirlwind can damage a Tennesse trailer park.

Don't get your organs all replaced. I do want my abs repalced with stronger models so I can do better on my situps when I take my PT test. Besides, I don't think the Hyena look suits you.

DPH> <<Don't worry, if Lain happens to run into me while traveling through Arkansas, I'll see it she makes to Lousy Anna instead of Texas.>> Good. Make certain taht happens in early July when I'm down there. Lousy Anna, now? Don't make me break out the first cousin jokes ;)

<<Moving out won't be an option for a long time. I'll start the job search process seriously when I get to a certain level of progress of my back.>> Have a discussion with yoru father, then. Involve a minister form your church. I Imagine they do cousneling for their church brothers. I don't want you suffering. BTW, how old is your dad?

Thomas - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Thursday, February 28, 2002 03:36:31 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

I think I�m addicted to those Philly snack bars.

Urk I did not have a good Tuesday night. I woke up in the middle thinking I had a stuffy nose. When I went to blow it instead of snot the tissues was full of blood.
My first spontaneous nose bleed!

Last night the temperature fell faster than Clinton�s pants at a Intern convention.

My brother bought Sims for the computer and already I�m in to it. My brother managed to kill one of the original family�s in a fire. Orphaning their daughter. My character named after me moved into to their house.
I have a decent job. I work for the military. I also built another home and created the Schezars� Allen and his sister Selena. (like in Escaflowne) I�m hitting it off with Allen. We greet with chocolates and hugs. Selena Is in Military school now. She was taken away from Allen..just like in the Anime. (I hope it doesn�t Exactly become like the anime, if you know my drift)

Grammys. Didn�t see it and I don�t need to. ::grabs a bowl of popcorn and eagerly await�s SJ�s Grammy recap.::

Reply time.
<<<Censorship lives. >>> I�m not going to touch this topic with a ten foot poll

Gside<<<Is he at the other end of a body of water? And if so, are you going to use the little man in the boat to help?>>> Naw, he is still the prisoner of Lethys.

Josh<<<You'd be surprised how often I type/chat/etc pantsless.>>> All the time?<<<Oooh ooh pick me pick me! >>>Only if your going.<<<Been there, done that. Didn't work.>>>Try the Apollo<<>>What are you going to do about that?
<<<Your pussy is locked up?>>>yeah and by a wolf.<<>>Wow you actually woke up on time.<<<Then I took my transportation engineering midterm (open book), >>>Wow an open book test. How can you fail that?

Winterwolf<<<Sounds like the kitty at Dreamie's place. Dreamie's mom wants a new little kitten in the house but the current solo kitty resident doesn't like any other animals on it's turf.>>>She normally gets along with the other cats. It just comes down to food and nip, plus she�s tiny. Its funny seeing her take a swipe at a cat twice her size.

Thomas<<<Didn't she pose as a man to get published? >>> Don�t know about that. I know Creole society is the backdrop for a lot of her stories <<<Since my only internet connection is in an Ofice, I can't do that>>>Whatever happened to Don�t ask don�t tell.

Aaron<<<Real post... eventually.>>> Liar!

Niahmgold<<<Yay, no midterms this semester.>>>Lucky you.<<<Dude, it's all about Final Fantasy :) >> That�s for Playstation<<<...at least no penguins!>>>What�s wrong with penguins

Aimee>>> What if the so called �real� character is Osama Bin Laden Or that Psycho that drowned her babies in Texas. I think we have a right to mutilate those people in fiction.((Laughs about last night�s Sout Park))

Jennifer>>> and they call you �CRZY� Oy he needs Zoloft.

Aris Posted!!!! OMG :::Runs around the room like a chicken with it�s head cut off.�

Greg<<<Maybe, not sure about what my situation is yet, or who's coming with me if anybody.>>>Okay I am defniatly going.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida
Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:51:20 PM
IP: 67.25.51.40

Nothing much I can say on the current situation that hasn't already been said. So, onward to replies!

DPH > I haven't seen either Biohazard all season (or Deadblow, waaah!). Vladiator got taken out a couple of shows back, and I can't remember if the Impaler has been around at all. A pity about Mauler; those guys just can't seem to get their spin right. Then again, they're not exactly models of sanity, that clan ; )

Lexy > you have GOT to get a copy of Silversilk, sweetie ... wait until you see the magic stuffed animal that Lionnen totes around. You'll love it <g>. As for Miralina being cool, she is from Lenais, an entirely different country, where they have no problem with human/elven relations.

Warpmind > if you're just talking my world, elves and humans can interbreed, orcs and humans can interbreed, but elves and orcs cannot. There are rumors that dwarves and gnomes can interbreed also, but no dwarf's going to admit it. As for how it happened ... well, suffice to say that humans and elves couldn't _always_ ... and it's one of the plots of my current game ; )

Ugh, I have been in a blue study all week. I have a tendency toward depressive episodes around this time every year, and I'm not sure why (the days are getting longer again so it can't be Seasonal Affective). Maybe it's the knowledge that my birthday is rolling relentlessly closer like some dwarven war engine ...

Avalon Mists > the new issue should be posted tomorrow and it's a biggie. Lots of great stuff. Stay tuned!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:35:39 PM
IP: 64.24.214.118

Okay, I've got a lot to catch up on. I would have posted sooner, but I was too disgusted by the situation and it had yet to explode like this.

On to replies.

THOMAS/GB> <<Coming from you, that is amusing, especially since I'm not being serious.>> Uh huh, sure. <<Actually, I'm thinking about soem of my actions, and while it may be funny to see youa nd Josh feel some moral outrage, I do feel guilty about testing you two.>> Not moral outrage. But I was an abused child, so I felt I had to put in my own $.02 worth. <<What botehrs me is taht thsi is not soem pathetic attempt to let off steam by killing off people he doesn't like, including Kaioto, Doug, Pogo, and Aimee, as well as Greg W.>> Was that supposed to be Greg Weisman, or was it supposed to be me? Probably both. Greg Weisman and I are the same person, I KNEW IT!!!

SIRYN> <<Hey guys..thanks for everyone being optomistc for me. <:) I appreciate the kind words. Thankyou. (even though its not just me running the convention, a whole bunch of people, who appreciate your kind words just as much as I do)>> No problem, next year it'll probably be me needing the words of encouragment.

DPH> <<No, I can't. I can't ask for forgiveness of a sin that I plan on committing again and again. Perhaps, Green Baron or some one else can explain to you why I can't ask for forgiveness of a sin that I plan on committing again and again.>> The ask for forgivness on your death bed, or after your dad dies. <<Us moralists in the CR need to stick together>> He's not a moralist, he's just fucked up. You are a moralist, that's why I find it fun to try to corrupt you into joining the "Dark Powers"

JOSH> <<You're right. I meant he became evil while he was in prison. I was referring to the writing of Kampf, albeit badly.>> Though he did try to take over Germany before that. it's why he was thrown in prison. Hmm, I wonder what Pistoff will write in prison ;) <<These people need lives.>> Seriously. There's one guy who says it's morally wrong to even think about making a movie of "Lord of the Rings". <<Nitpicking is for Star Trek anyway.>> LOL. "Babylon 5" is better cause there's a lot less to nitpick. <<I have no problem with sci-fi nitpicking, since its supposed to be based in physics and realtiy, but fantasy nitpicking annoys me. So what if its not exactly like the book!? It was closer than any movie has ever been before.>> And it was a great movie regardless. <<Well, if you're me, its any part. Mexico makes me ill, literally.>> I have no desire to go. I have three Mexican Restaurants in my area any way. <<I'm betting he'll marry a woman that won't care. It's the kid we have to save.>> I'll give them a place in my Dark Legions. <<Ya know, its interesting. For two evil guys with no morals, we sure have a lot to say about this.>> It is funny. <<Seriously. Since there's nothing in the 10 commandments against hate, I guess its okay for catholics, isn't it?>> And as Jews, it's okay for us to hate also. Sweet! <<If heaven was infinite, you could conceivably get far away from them.>> You can't get away from God, but that's moot cause God is a laid back Buddhist. <<A very useful line.>> It worked for me when I slapped my father in the face. <> You're right. Me, I'm the Great Satan.

JEB> <<Wrong order... should be "Winterwolf's and JEB's." I contributed very little to the final page, so he should get most of the credit. Thanks. :)>> GASP, you posted. Keep doing it!

SPACEBABIE> <<Gathering info. I need a roomie and I need transportation. Anyone want to bunk with me? I don�t snore>> Maybe, not sure about what my situation is yet, or who's coming with me if anybody.

SJ> <<Censorship lives.>> SJ, when you're right, I tell you you are. But in this case, you are wrong. This is not censorship, it's a threat.

AIMEE> <<I'm also glad to see that garg-fans does NOT support vaguely disguised threats of murder. Just becuase you omit someones last or first name,... but forget to omit all the details about them, doesn't mean that we don't ALL know who you are talking about.>> The title alone gives it away. Though even I did not expect how gruesome that filth would get. <<You do realize that something like this is in many cases considered stalking.>> He probably doesn't, but I'm on your side with this. <<writing a story where the characters in it VERY VERY closely resemble people you hate (he didn't even change mine or my husband's name, btw. we're not THAT stupid. it IS about jen and it IS about us).>> I think I'm in there also. No, he was not subtle about it at all. <<oh and since when is writting a story about murdering people you hate a "parody"?>> Cause he's trying to cover his own ass. <<the police disaggree with you.>> Now this is great news, alright. Normally the police are the first ones to say; "This is bullshit, go away." I'm glad they didn't here.

MOONKITTY> <<Censorship? Or merely upholding long standing rules of good conduct?>> The latter. This is not censorship. This was a threat. <<Poking at grown ups is one thing, but including depictions of a real person's children as well... Well, the story didn't do any credit to it's author. *shrug*>> Though he had none to begin with. <<It's going to be a hard sell considering the piece that was 'censored' was a murder fantasy centered around a real person in the Gargoyles fandom, which even included her kids.>> They'll keep doing it. Apparantly we're all under a spell of some kind. Or are not smart enough to think for ourselves.

AARON> <<Ah SJ, I knew you'd be in to play kick the hornet's nest and run sooner or later. Don't ever change, man.>> I'm sure he won't. <<Real post... eventually.>> $20 if it's finished and posted tonight!

NIAMHGOLD> <<> Ooh, was that an ultimatum? I'll see what strings I can pull with the Oscar panel ;)>> Cool, keep me posted. <<Nerve gas is a bit too slow. Perhaps something electrical?>> Slow is good! ;)

ETHAN> Welcome to the CR!

SJ again> <<At least Aaron appreciates my gift for controversy>> No he doesn't. Didn't you detect the sarcasm dripping from that post? <<Oh, get over yourself. "It's stalking!" No, it's parody.>> No, that crossed the line between flame and threat. You're not going to find anyone to agree with you on this one. <<Murder fantasy" is stretching it a bit. Have you read the fic (it's only fair you do, since Fred's detractors always accuse him of not reading the erotica he criticizes)?>> Yes, I read the fic. That is a murder fantasy. No ifs ands or buts about it. <<"It's not about YOU, douche bag!">> Yeah, that's a good punchline, too bad it does not apply here.

JEN> <<This is all so very amusing... and the bonus is... that my local deputy Sheriff is a HUGE Gargoyles fan!>> Get him to come to the Gathering! <> Sounds like my kind of cop. <> Reading it once was enough for me <<Reading it is only opening people's eyes to Fred's dementia.>> Glad to see that. I knew he was demented for years. If he wasn't, he wouldn't keep bringing this up. <<Thanks!>> You're quite welcome.

MARA> <<I'm only curious as to what set him off to write such stupid mastubatory dreck>> I imagine he was up late at night looking at picures of Jen, cursing at them and then he found himself whacking off to them. And in one instant, all remaing sanity (which was very little) left him. <<My eyes glazed over TRYING to read it... I dont think I ever got to the woodchiper part... nor would I want to.>> It was very gruesome. <<Fred don't like you, so you must be doing something right. Keep it up. :)>> Oh, I fully intend to. <<As usual, Thou Art God for keeping a level head and good humour while dealing with Dr Robotnik>> She did a better job of it then I ever could.

Warpmind> <<Can Orcs and Elves interbreed, as well, or is it just that the human genetics are kind of, uh, modular?>> Orcs are elves that were taken by the Dark Powers, Melkor and later Sauron, tortured, mutilated and transformed into Orcs. It's conceivable that they could.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:53:43 AM
IP: 167.206.248.11

*waves at Patrick* Hiya *^_~*

*** Buffy Spoilers ***

Who else hopes Sam, Riley's new wife, turns out to be a killer demon? I think they over did the "too good to be true" bit.

Sooooo tired of seeing Buffy working at the burger joint, and becoming a beaten down wage slave.

So Dawn went from klepto to all sweetness and light with no transition? Where is the grounded for life? Where is no TV or movies for a month or until ever bit of stolen goods is paid for/returned?

sigh... Not that I want to see Dawny suffer, but she did steal a lot.

Poor Anya and Xander. Weddings can be hell.

Poor Spike! Maybe Dru will come back if his head space is no longer full of Buffy.

As Buffy eps go, it was slow and muchly depressing. Liked the "Nick and Nora Fury" joke bit. Have an older friend who is stunned I even knew whe Nick and Nora were. Not so stunned about the Fury part, as I am a comic book fiend. *^_^*

***end Buffy Spoilers***

Josh -- I could do a p-fic about the Double Meat Palace, but like... ew! *^_^* I'd rather do fics with Demona making out with other hotties, thanks anyway. Speaking of which, I so need to get back to Avatar Wars.

Oh hey! Sun came out to day! And it's above 20 degrees!!! Yay, gotta go run around the park, now. Moonkitties get grouchy if they don't get their daily exercise.

later
MC
>^,,^<
later

Mooncat
Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:34:44 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

It snowed yesterday. Just blew in out of nowhere and melted a couple of hours later. Weird. And cold. The stiff icy wind that cleared the skies reminded me of Scotland. So cold it literally sucked the breath away.

Seems like that sort of a change is needed here to clear away the remnants of this latest unpleasantness.

Thomas (Green Baron) Question for you. Is your faith about the rituals or does it go deeper? If it's the latter, as I suspect, then don't beat yourself up.

Stephen > Congratulations on all your recent successes. Oh, and well said.

Jen > Lots of love, chica.

Mara > Thank you from the "other half" of Madame Destine.

Josh > You write interesting things. I wish your posting style was easier to read.

Aris Katsaris > Welcome back. And don't apologize.

DPH > Question I've been meaning to ask, mostly because I went through it myself. About your back: does your chiropractor have you doing any physical therapy or just the adjustments? Reason I mentioned it. I had a lower back injury that I thought was never going to heal. Chronic pain the whole nine yards. The chiropractor was doing adjustments only and the progress after a point was minimal. Then I saw a chat show segment about exercise and back injury. In this particular instance the doctor was advocating the use of a cross country sky machine because it works the abs (necessary for back strength and body alignment) and the legs as well as the lower back. Since I was desperate, I bought one of those machines and started using it. I was able to tell my chiropractor to kiss off in less then a month. I hate the cross country ski machine. I keep it in the basement as an implied threat so I don't slack off on the yoga and other back strengthening exercises that I do. But it *DID* work.

Cheers,
kathy
Thursday, February 28, 2002 08:17:16 AM
IP: 216.175.72.253

SJ> <<If you REALLY believe the bullshit that Fred is going to do anything to anyone, then you're really being naive.>>

I believe that Fred *wants* to do all those things he described, and that he would do them if he could only get away with it. "It'd do the world a favor", wouldn't it? Or is that attitude a "parody" too? A parody of what, though?

SJ, Fred is disturbed. I don't know and I don't really care very much which people or events *made* him so disturbed. Perhaps it's indeed those people he accuses that so made him disturbed, but assigning blame to other people for his disturbed-ness is secondary in importance to acknowledging that he *is* disturbed. He wrote a murder fantasy, man. It's pretty much the *definition* of murder fantasy, which includes the heroes realizing how the murderer actually did the world a big favour for so killing brutally the victim.

(Yes, I've also read it - or most of it. I skipped over pretty much all of the other unconnected things about pizza deliveries and Koz and stuff. As a sidenote, the little bits I've read of *those*, are also semi-disturbed self-justifications. Brooklyn (as self-inserted pizzaman Fred) being an asshole but excused of it. Bleh.)

A parody, even a hate-filled parody, would be a parody of *events*, namely those things that Pistoff accuses Jen of doing. It wouldn't use them as a *justification* for murder. Because no murder has occured, the story can't be parodying *that*. If Fred wrote it for himself it's a masturbatory murder-fantasy. If Fred wrote it for Jen to see, then it's a THREAT. Neither of the above makes him a role-model for sanity...

(As a sidenote I wonder if I'm one of the people who were "ran out of town", or one of the "ass-kissers" he describes. It seems that out of the people who *ever* were in this forum, one can only be the one or the other. But I never accused anyone of *making* me leave, I only decided it for myself (after a skirmish with Doug) because I was getting involved in too many flame-wars. So I must be one of the ass-kissers. Heh. Funny that.)

And "worth stalking"? *Worth* stalking? As if stalking someone is a compliment to their "worth"? Don't get all disturbing too, man. The point of stalking is the stalker's obsession, it's not a flattery towards the person stalked.

I'm back to lurking now. Sorry everyone for coming here again.
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, February 28, 2002 07:34:38 AM
IP: 195.134.65.101

:: peeks in before work ::

Mooncat > Have I told you lately that you rule? ;)

Josh / Stephen > :: shrugs :: IMO, being a little bit twisted adds interest... just like with bonsai. And since those who actually know well me like me as I am, I shall quote Archie Bunker and say ":P" to my detractors.

And now it is time to head off once again into the snow. Thank the automotive gods for 4WD.

"What's the point of having power if I can't abuse it?" - Wally, "Dilbert"
Patrick Toman
Thursday, February 28, 2002 07:22:22 AM
IP: 66.72.197.126

*peeks in from work*
Invsi Xavier> <does anyone know what in tha hell happened to the FF archive> Well - what about asking the maintainer? Yes, I had a typo in a script, and it's fixed now, so you should be able to upload your story. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Real post later today, I think.

*disappears back to work*
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gargoyles-fans.org]
Thursday, February 28, 2002 05:12:13 AM
IP: 129.217.131.31

*walks in wiping his hair back from a recent shower* Hey' yo peeps.

Pistoff: But, I have to agree with the rest of you that with pistoff's latest he has certainly taken a header into the pool of full-blown insanity. Now I am a regualr reader of Pistoff and did enjoy his work and intersting story lines. But, I was shocked to see such a blagrant attack on not one person but, a seemingly group of people but it was mostly centered on one person. I don't really care who you are, but someone who writes a fic that mainly is a snuff fic about someone else's family that involves there children you defiatley have crossed the line.

Or as Angel of the Night so bluntly put it in the Adult CR:

'Well if there was a fine line between criticism and just down and outright being mean Pistoff didn�t cross the line he drove a Mack Truck full of Illegal guns across it.'

Plus, I think Pistoff wrote just to get a rise out of the people involve, I know most of you ignore it. But, on my end if something like that happent to me, I would be pissed, hit the heavy bag for an hour and then start calling the police cause this is the grounds for stalking. And, you know what the funny part is? That Pistoff is actually a good writer but he let his anger get the best of him that's all.

Mooncat> Hmm, I have to agree with you on that, basically, I started to skim when they rode back into the town and all of sudden it became Scarface 2002. In fact the last scene was completley laughable, when all of the citzens in a completly suburban town started to whip out Rocket Lanchers and the such. For a second, I though the police station was going to open up and the Junon Cannon was going to fire on them. *chuckels*

SJ> Hmmm, That story a pardoy? *snorts* If that's a parody than a fic of me running around and killing my co-workers whose names all have been changed and hurting there familes might be considered a parody as well?. It seems that you and Pistoff's version of Parody differs from the rest of us.

On a Happy Note:

Whoo-hoo! This is my Second Year as a author in a Fandom! Whoo-hoo! *looks around and eats party cake and drinks lemonade*

And in the honor of this, I'm rewriting my first fic the Armor of Nike Saga. There is alot of things, I wanted to add in there.

Oh, Yeah, does anyone know what in tha hell happened to the FF archive? I can't post my latest story up and a spend alot of time writing it as well.

**SHAMELESS PLUG**

Well, my latest story in up and is ready for viewing. For Those who like a Demona and Xanatos pairing, I suggest you either go to:

http://www.geocities.com/invsix/eternalsin.html

or just click on my name for the story and enjoy! Oh, yeah the story is NC-17 and some bad language so those who aren't up to seeing Demona and Xanatos getting horizontal than email me and I''ll send you the R-rated version.

Well, It's 5:00 a.m in the morning and I need to get some sleep... *spreads his wings and takes off*

---

Sugu raku ni shite yaru. (I will soon end your pain.)

IX9

Invsi Xavier - [tjarred@hotmail.com]
The city, of a, undesirable sin
Thursday, February 28, 2002 05:02:23 AM
IP: 24.189.100.203

Well today was certainly long.

The real problems started when I decided to download Adaptec's new SCSI drivers for OS X. Seems that until now, the adaptec cards that ship with G4 towers were preventing deep sleep in OS X. Since my machine didn't sleep, I assumed that was the problem. So I ran the installer. After a restart and some moving around of kernel extensions, I was able to get it to sleep.

Unfortunately, it won't wake up unless I restart it ;-) It looks like its waking up, sounds like it...but it just hangs. I tried taking out the card, but apparently I get the same problem. Weird problem. I'd be really annoyed if I actually USED that feature.

I left lab early to go to the Apple booth at the campus job fair. I saw the few people at the company that I'm in contact with, and actually got to talk to a product design guy. I really would love to work there, and the stuff I'm good at is exactly what they want. That took up the rest of my afternoon, and at some point I went to dinner with my friends and an Apple guy. We talked about computers. Der.

I think I'll stay out of the Pistoff/Crzy thing. I find it funny though that traffic to his site has overloaded it.

Leo: <<maybe it should be removed>>: Then it wouldn't be an archive. <>: People leave the CR frequently over a variety of issues, actually. Since we don't restrict our discussions, we often have flame wars. <>: Well then don't bring it up.

Mecord: <<The incident with Pistoff was perhaps the darkest hour of this CR>>: I think I have to agree that it was the Doug/Kit thing. <<this has become a fairly safe CR>>: except for those Chaotic gatherings! <<so if you "feel a disturbance in the force" that's just my spetre floating over your shoulder>>: Either that or its Darth Maul waiting to kill us.

Winterwolf: <<Took the purity test over for fun and got 66%>>: Wuss. <<Fortunately you found Coyote>>: So she, too, can get married and have kids way before she's ready. <<Would Dreamie get to rub your shaven bald head for luck?>>: She can rub my head for luck... <<Course I'm used to Brood War where the Goliaths are an important unit>>: Rarely. They're too expensive and they take too long to build and upgrade. <<No your not evil, your just really naughty!>>: Obviously not, judging from your 66%. <<Whatever could you mean?>>: Nevermind. Guess you wouldn't know.

Thomas: <<Didn't she pose as a man to get published?>>: What's scarier is that she convinced them. <<I'll be typing to all of you in my green bathrobe>>: That's special. <<don't go nuts with the independence>>: Independence is a GOOD thing. <>: No, its anyone who doesn't scratch the itch and has their behavior affected by it. <<What about me?>>: Obviously your sister wasn't the only child who survived if you did too. <<unless your agreeing with me and not being sarcastic>>: What are the odds of that?

Aaron: <<Ah SJ, I knew you'd be in to play kick the hornet's nest and run sooner or later>>: that's why we love him!

The Wizard: <<Applying for a simple summer internship was so much like applying to transfer to another school>>: Except more painful, right? <<Cross your fingers, folks>>: But then I won't be able to use them for other stuff! <<I've also managed to damage my wrist>>: And if you don't stop that, you're gonna grow hair on your palms! <<Perhaps something electrical?>>: Don't forget to wet the sponge. <<no midterms this semester>>: Lucky devil. <<I'll leave that to the menfolk>>: And we did! <<in my dictionary that begins with an "A".>>: She was trying to be technical. <<at least no penguins>>: Probably because there's just no joke in slapping a penguin. <<See, Imzadi, _you're_ not immortal>>: Why not? <<the way to my digestive tract is through my stomach. I still haven't confirmed the existence of this "heart muscle">>: Try putting your hand on your chest. <<you've got a bit of a purity score as a barrier here>>: Is that a barrier or bait? <>: You're right, I don't. <<Or interest_ed_>>: Sure that too. <<You can't really help the naturally-ocurring ones>>: Which probably wouldn't exist. <<you cannot trade. The bunny's coming to _you_, and the VS models are in current shipment to _him_. If you want to switch, you're going to have to deal with FedEx>>: haha no thanks. I'll do the bunny. <<They'll be _my_ bulldozers because it'll be _my_ empire>>: Whatever! Just level the dump! <<Well, now it's like 22. Or three weeks. Or something>>: Three weeks this friday. <<You'll be fine, trust me>>: Maybe I'll get it back tomorrow if I'm lucky. <<You guys can hash that out. I know that I'm real>>: Did you not know that I was real? <>: A real vacation! And fun, probably. <<Whoa! Been busy? :: wink wink, nudge nudge, if you know what I mean?>>: He didn't know what *I* meant, why would he understand that far more subtle comment? <<I'll just hug my nice computer and nod my head>>: That's right! We love our computers. <<why does everyone make marriage plans this time of year? And why does everyone *make* marriage plans?>>: because they're young, idealistic, and stupid. <<and replacing them with cybernetic implants>>: Will that change you being young or idealistic?

Warpmind: <<it annoys Josh, of course>>: Sure, no ones rubbing MY head. <<If you looked closely, the ad said about 1800 cards>>: That's an average value of $0.33 per card. That's not much. <>: I like the people in the last group.

Shadowrider: <>: Congrats! <<the mere fact YOU cannot do something doesn't mean everyone else shares the same limitation>>: Yes it does. Trust me. <<why is death supposed to be a limit for love?>>: because I believe that when you die you rot. Therefore you stop loving, or feeling anything else for that matter. <<The Pope has no right to interfere with the application of the laws in a democratic state>>: The pope would argue that he has the right to interfere with all catholics, though.

Lexy: <<Damn everyone who has good metabolisim>>: BUWAHAHAHAHA!

Siryn: <>: Hell yeah!

Sevarius Jr: <<Don't get all flattered and think that any of you are worth stalking>>: Speak for yourself! I know I am! <<Don't be a fucking tool>>: Too late.

Crzy: <>: Does that count as a bribe?

Stephen: <<Shows Patrick being a pervert>>: Are you implying that Patrick is NOT a pervert? (sorry patrick, I had to hit you with that one).

Patrick: <<is it truly possible to give up giving up? Or does that create a space-time paradox? And would the same apply to my New Year's resolution to not make any New Year's resolutions? ;) :: head hurts now>>: Oh no, I've gone crosseyed!

Mooncat: <<about as riviting as Buffy working in the Double Meat palace>>: Surely you could write a porn fic about that.

Gside: <<I'm sure there is a good bit of porn that starts with that as a premise>>: But is spacebabie in it? <>: He should get a medal. <<it was written by MIT students.>>: Is that good or bad? <<you're not supposed to lift the spam, you're supposed to tell the spam to lift itself>>: Of course. And I told it to do so, but it just sits there. <<Seconded. Is there a movement to vote?>>: No? VOTING IS OPENED! <>: What about the bottom brain? <<Read: never>>: Well, probably when Hell freezes over. <<There isn't really anyone like Samus. She has so many nice projectiles>>: And she looks great in a bikini too! <<On this side too, if I remember>>: Quite. <<you might be able to, as it depends a bit on your state of mind, no?>>: partially, but not entirely. <<Usually it's mostly the bride, while the groom tries to get out of the planning>>: Or, if he's smart, out of the wedding entirely.

God I'm tired. And its only 1130.

Your soul is like an appendix. I don't even use mine.
-Calso, That 70's Show

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, February 28, 2002 02:24:18 AM
IP: 64.161.25.25

Ups..forgot my color. EMAIL ME SIRYN!:D
lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:47:50 AM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Siryn....EMAIL ME!! K? :D
lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:46:59 AM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Imzadi> <<Do I really want to know how you pulled a muscle in your ass?>>: I'm sure there is a good bit of porn that starts with that as a premise.
<<They do that?>>: Every now and then. Mostly due to the use of one word, that was actually in the common vernacular at the time. And I do believe Twain pioneered the use of the vernacular.
<>: Nah, there's a lot of MechEness in Junkyar Wars. It probably also depends a lot on the challenge.
<<Did it suck as much as its namesake?>>: Probably. I doubt it was close to the plot, there were a lot of restrictions on what they could do. But then again, it was written by MIT students.
<<Wrong comment>>: Oops. But if all the sex is happening here, I still don't want to leave.
<<There are many problems with my end, but I don't think telekinetics are one of them>>: No no no, you're not supposed to lift the spam, you're supposed to tell the spam to lift itself.
<<I'm thinking a CR law that females post pantsless should be enacted>>: Seconded. Is there a movement to vote?
<<Is this a euphamism I'm not picking up?>>: Perhaps, but you don't seem the type to care about the little man in the boat.

Leo> <>: Standard answer: It happened, and we may not like it, but the archive is still a record of the past of the CR.
<>: It's not really regular, but every now and then something bad will happen. Just like with any grouping of people.

Niamhgold> <<Are you willing to pay extra S&H?>>: Sure, why not?
<<Did you intend it to be flattering?>>: Slightly.
<<In any case, you don't do yourself justice>>: I have long ago relized my strengths lie in my left brain.
<<And next time I'm in Jersey for an extended enough period of time>>: Read: never.
<<randomly, I tried Pikachu. Bad choice, IMNSHO>>: There isn't really anyone like Samus. She has so many nice projectiles. And it annoys just about all my roomies.
<<But you've got a bit of a purity score as a barrier here>>: On this side too, if I remember.
<<You can't really help the naturally-ocurring ones>>: Actually, you might be able to, as it depends a bit on your state of mind, no?
<<why does everyone make marriage plans this time of year?>>: That way everything's ready by spring/summer, when the weather in many honeymoon spots is nice.
<<And why does everyone *make* marriage plans?>>: It's not quite everyone. Usually it's mostly the bride, while the groom tries to get out of the planning.

Warpmind> <<Can Orcs and Elves interbreed, as well, or is it just that the human genetics are kind of, uh, modular?>>: Maybe humans are one side of the horse/mule comparison to orcs, and the other to elves.

And for randomness, the new mp3 is Hooked on a Feeling, reportedly by Tom Jones.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:05:26 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Sevarius Jr -- Yes, I did read it. All the way down to the part where the "fictional" character "Jennifer" 's little girl was brought out as a hostage for a mind controlled mob. After that I kind of skimmed. But I got all the first part with sticking Jen in a wood chipper till only her torso remained, and all the sexual bashing and the author's little insert character talking about his private parts and taking pictures, yadda, yadda, yadda...

Great fiction it wasn't.

Even the parts that weren't centered on his hate gorged fantasy murder spree were not entertaining. Granted, I'd never read anything by him before, so I went into the whole thing with no preconceptions of his writing style. But what I saw did not move me to go read any of his other fiction.

Not to be mean, but IMHO, except for the sick bits, it was pretty much boring. Brooklyn as a pizza delivery boy is about as riviting as Buffy working in the Double Meat palace.

*shrug*

Anyhoo, got my own fiction to write, so bye for now.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:04:08 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

:: peeks in again ::

Shinigami > Thanks. :: hugs :: I'll keep an eye on the mail and try not to pounce the postal carrier too severely (will be hard - waiting for my income tax refund, too). BTW... is it truly possible to give up giving up? Or does that create a space-time paradox? And would the same apply to my New Year's resolution to not make any New Year's resolutions? ;) :: head hurts now ::

Stephen > Please check your e-mail... had a quick question for you regarding something you mentioned.
:: bounces off to bed ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:36:54 PM
IP: 66.72.197.126

*walks in, wearing her newly purchased Getting-Into-Serious-Debt outfit, squeaky new combat boots, skintight tuxedo pants, powder blue corset,big pretty dangly earrings, bindhi and tophat, courtsey of her vow to give up moderation for Lent. (So far.. so good.)*

The whole Fred thing: I'm only curious as to what set him off to write such stupid mastubatory dreck. Not curious enough to ask.. but ICk. My eyes glazed over TRYING to read it... I dont think I ever got to the woodchiper part... nor would I want to.

Other people involved in this dumb thing: Fred don't like you, so you must be doing something right. Keep it up. :)

Jen: As usual, Thou Art God for keeping a level head and good humour while dealing with Dr Robotnik. So, anything interesting going on in your life right now, Sweetie? ;)

Patrick: Dry days have ended and delays are finally over, look for that refund in your mailbox, along with my most heartfelt apologies for making the great (well, half of the great) Madame Destine wait.

SJ: Always with the negative waves Moriarti... at least you're consistent in picking at scabs.

"Cover her face, mine eyes dazzle, she died young"
Shinigami
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:22:40 PM
IP: 172.156.122.59

Okay, well from what I've heard, it seems this whole thing has gone to the end-all of arguments over what "Pistoff" wrote about Crzy... and the kicker is that SJ says that people should "get over themselves" and that this story that's getting all the reaction is "just a parody".

Well, I read the story, and from what I can see I have a feeling that "Pistoff" seriously needs help. From what I read the story:

- Graphically depicts Crzy being killed.
- Shows Patrick being a pervert.
- Lables Aimee and Mitch as violent accessories to another muder.
- shows his views on things such as porn, violence, and conspiracies (i,e, - small town under control of one being).

Now I don't know about you, SJ, but the last I heard of it, a parody was either a writen or muscial piece done in the style of another writer or musician; meant to entertain and enjoy. "Pistoff's" story was not writen in any other recognizable author's style, nor was it musical or humorous. About the only thing that had any merit in it were the Demona and Koz scenes, and the one scene with Goliaht and Elisa. I have to admit, he does have flashes of talent, but for all the hate and gunk gumming up the rest of the story...

Now don't get me wrong though. I'm not defending the people he's bashing here. I'll admit it out front, Crzy's done some stuff that I feel is and was wrong to others in the fandom I am close to as friends. I personally wish she'd have done differently or would straighten that part of hersefl out forthwith.

But from my POV, I would not with for anyone - and I mean ANYONE - to have something like this written about themselves or their loved ones. Say what you want about the person, their methods and their madness... but go one inch towards their family, and that's the line drawn in the sand for me. No one person should get so worked up over what someone did that they have to threaten a husband, wife or children, even if it's in a piece of fiction.

Again, I don't condone or support anything Jen's ever done that has or may have hurt others in the past or present, but I certainly will not say that "Pistoff" has the right to write a thin-veiled hate-fic just to justify his own feelings.

So, I for one hope that this is where it ends. Before someone - anyone - gets seriously hurt further.

And SJ, one more thing; we may not see eye to eye on a lot of things, and i'll certainly allow you to have your views just as I have mine, but if I were you I'd put some distance between yourself and "Pistoff". Considering that "Pistoff" acknowledges that YOU, Sevarius Jr., made several suggestions that helped him finish his story, I wouldn't be so stand-offish over it all.

And that's the last I'll say about this whole thing.

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:05:48 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

:: peeks in ::

Hmm... :: opens up the Merriam-Webster online dictionary ::

Main Entry: par�o�dy
Pronunciation: 'par-&-dE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -dies
Etymology: Latin parodia, from Greek parOidia, from para- + aidein to sing -- more at ODE
Date: 1598
1 : a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule
2 : a feeble or ridiculous imitation

Nope... I don't think that's the right term. There was no imitating of another author going on. So perhaps another word search...

Main Entry: bash
Pronunciation: 'bash
Function: verb
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1750
transitive senses
1 : to strike violently : HIT; also : to injure or damage by striking : SMASH -- often used with in
2 : to attack physically or verbally <media bashing> <celebrity bashing>
intransitive senses : CRASH
- bash�er noun

:: bounces out ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 09:30:19 PM
IP: 66.72.192.87

This is all so very amusing... and the bonus is... that my local deputy Sheriff is a HUGE Gargoyles fan! I let him play with my Brooklyn action figures while we filled out the report. WHOO!

I am also offering to email the story to anyone interested. Reading it is only opening people's eyes to Fred's dementia. Thanks!
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 09:11:28 PM
IP: 67.227.14.242

writing a story where the characters in it VERY VERY closely resemble people you hate (he didn't even change mine or my husband's name, btw. we're not THAT stupid. it IS about jen and it IS about us).

if you're writing a story about some "fictional" character the least you could do is have some imagination to actually write it IMAGINARY, rather than trying to sully someone else's reputation by simply changing their last name.

oh and since when is writting a story about murdering people you hate a "parody"?

don't make me laugh.

ps. the police disaggree with you.

obviously from the overwhelming response from just this comment room alone, "pistoff" is not missed, and his story certainly isn't.
Aimee
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 09:11:13 PM
IP: 66.120.228.175

Guandalug la'Fay- lol, thanks much bro.

-------------

i was in williamsburg last week....sigh.
too bad the gathering wasnt then, i finally could have gone.

O_o!?

NukesGoBoom
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 08:53:01 PM
IP: 12.243.91.175

At least Aaron appreciates my gift for controversy.

Aimee: Oh, get over yourself. "It's stalking!" No, it's parody. Don't get all flattered and think that any of you are worth stalking.

Green Baron: <<I read the story and I'm worried about Jen, though I think she admitted to being ahndy with a shotgun so I'm not too worried for her. With that fic ahndy, she'll only get charged for disturbing the peace with the blast. >>

Don't be a fucking tool. If you REALLY believe the bullshit that Fred is going to do anything to anyone, then you're really being naive. Stick to making bizarre remarks about child-rearing, Tommy, you're over-reacting.

Mooncat: <<It's going to be a hard sell considering the piece that was 'censored' was a murder fantasy centered around a real person in the Gargoyles fandom, which even included her kids. >> "Murder fantasy" is stretching it a bit. Have you read the fic (it's only fair you do, since Fred's detractors always accuse him of not reading the erotica he criticizes)?

<<But if that's the kind of "fiction" that floats your boat, you can probably get a copy of it from the author if you ask him. >>

Thank you for the smooth transition....

You CAN ask the author for a copy, or just click my name!

It's just a link.....but let's see if I get chastised for posting it (by someone other than the good admins)....

As for some of you in particular, remember the punchline:

"It's not about YOU, douche bag!"
Sevarius Jr. - [<----Click if you DARE!]
Direct all flames to: sevariusjr@hotmail.com
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 08:04:25 PM
IP: 66.44.73.55

Re censorship>
We HAVE the chatroom rules for a reason. Also, there have been times when there has been 'freedom from censorship' in chats and CRs. You know what happened? EVERYONE cleared out. I like the rules here and have NO problem following them. Ta-da! ;D

Lexy> Re kids and cats> heh..well...if I end up with a certain guy..I'll only have one cat (because he's allergic..-_-;;) However, I know what you mean about kids! Personally, I don't want kids right off for two reasons. 1. Money 2. FUN. Kids...while it is possible to have 'fun'. Kinda make it hard to have not as much. ;) So I say around 3 years of 'fun' and then I'll think about having kids. ;) hehehe (course this involves convincing some guy I'm worth spending his life with.. O.o;;;)

Green Baron> Eh..I try. ^_^;; With mum and dad in Korea, Mary does get lonely...she doesn't like moving at ALL (really hates it in fact) so..I try to let her know I'm there. ^_^;;

weeeeee updating the website. yay yay yay

btw, anyone who goes to my gallery (which I know hasn't been updated in a bit.. -_-;;) it's being moved from dreamer.wyvernweb.com to www.rogue-penguin.com Just so you know! ;D
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 07:20:26 PM
IP: 24.93.24.62

Christine:<<LOL, thanks for clearing that up!>> I know..it sounded just terrible! >o<

<<As for Alinora's father, she was his special precious cherished princess, and he favored her over all his other children>> So he really did care about her, not just 'family honor' or whatever. Alright.

<<(his interaction with poor Lionnen makes me just want to smack him one).>> Must..read..find out..'bout these characters.. ;)
<> NP! Glad I asked my Q, or I may have never had the opprotunity to get an answer!:)

One more Q while I'm at it. How come Cat's mom is an elf, but so cool about everything? :D

Think I'll go to bed now. I will surely get up later, but kids had off school again today. Chicken fingers..and fries..chicken fingers..and fries..Good God. If I ate like those skinny lil girls did..I'd be 300 pounds. Damn everyone who has good metabolisim! ;) *pouts* I've been eating just meat, cheese, water and a few random things like pickles and lettuce for almost a month now. I'm pretty sure I lost 2 pounds..if I'm lucky:p *complains* Yup..crabby girl has to go take a napnap

*wanders off*

lexy
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 06:42:28 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

*peeks in*

Not much time right now, so I won't comment on the Fanfiction Archive discussion in this post. Maybe tomorrow.

NukeGoesBoom> [Shameless plug] Try the Mirror site (see link on top of this page) - I know the pic loads from there :)

*GONE for now*

Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 06:26:53 PM
IP: 145.254.98.151

Hey hey, everyone! Glad to tell everyone I am in vacation! Yeah, yesterday morning I passed Turbines (a 20/30, if you are wondering...oh, well, I can afford to get a not-that-high grade every now and then...and, furthermore, that course was really turning in a nightmare, so all I wanted was to take it out of my way), my last exam this semester, so now I'm free until next Tuesday, when lessons will restart. It is nice to have time to do all these little things I had to pospone in the past two months...

<looks through the CR> Apparently, there's people who at any cost have to carry on their petty "revenges" for true or imaginary wrongs...and, even two years after the events aforementioned, they continue doing so! I really suspect that all that this kind of people wishes to obtain is a bit of attention, so I think the best thing is just to ignore them, as long as they don't do any true harm...and, naturally, stop them as they try to break rules. Oh, for the record, I haven't read the object of the discussion, nor I'm interested in doing so.
I think I've already wasted too much of my life on this sad story...for sure more than it deserves. Will be better to switch to more important things.

Replies!

Gside, Josh & Jan:> <<ESL>> Ok, clear enough, thank you!

Gside:> <<but I can't quite think of to what you're referring.>> No? Hm, well...never mind, it was a silly thing anyway...too silly even for my usual standard...
<< It's probably best if you didn't.>> Too late...;)

Josh:> << They're not gonna live that long. >> Like Niamhgold said, the mere fact YOU cannot do something doesn't mean everyone else shares the same limitation...and, furthermore, why is death supposed to be a limit for love?
<<Because they used to be cool. Now they suck. >> They really used to be cool? Damn, I've lost it! Although, I strongly suspect they were being cool in spite of themselves...
<<don't bother. If you ever hear the word, that means you should run away from whoever said it.>> That is exactly the reason for which I've taken note of it...

Green Baron...er...Thomas:> <divorce> Hmm...I suspect that the reality behind many divorces is more complex than you or me can believe. Personally, I repeat, I consider divorce as a right of the person. I really think that in many situations a divorce is preferable to carrying on a marriage that has no meaning anymore and is turned in a forced housesharing. You mention the high divorce rate in USA...I don't know the stats, but when here in Italy divorce was introduced, the Church screamed for months that it was "The end of the family". Instead, not only the number of marriages (religious marriages I mean) did not fall, but eventually increased. Like in many other things, the Church's fears and positions are at the very best exaggerated. I have nothing agains it -it is their opinion- but what I cannot accept is the Pope inviting all the "Catholic lawyers and judges" to stop practicing divorces. The Pope has no right to interfere with the application of the laws in a democratic state.

Spacebabie:> << As Clear as glass. >> I was sure of it...;)

Winterwolf:> <<Turrets are not good enough against Guardians. You should use Goliaths instead. As a Gargoyle fan it would be more appropriate too. Course I'm used to Brood War where the Goliaths are an important unit. :D >> Yeah, you are right...but in that mission there were not Guardians, so Turrets were more than enough. Actually, I LOVE Goliaths -in spite of the fact they're a bit fragile- in particular in Broodwar, with the extended-range missiles...and, plus, I find them cool-designed!

Niamhgold:> <<Thanks for the email joke! It was great, of course >> That is relieving...I have spent the last day in fear for your reaction...;)
<<. I hope things are going much better for you...I know you have a lot on your plate. >> Well, if you've read above, you'll already know I'm in vacation. If you haven't read...I'm in vacation! A short one, less than a week, but Easter break is coming close as well. A pity that here it is raining, and will probably continue for some other days...I had made a though for a quick 2-3 days bike escapade with my sweet other half, but I'll have to pospone it...
<<Take it real easy. >> My dear friend, I always take it easy. It is one of my strong points...nah, seriously, it is easier to take things easy when they're behind...
<<Seriously, you are too kind.>> I'm not. I just say what I think, nothing more.
<<they're among the top ten recruiters in the country >> Keep us informed anyway, won't you?

Ok, nothing more. I think I'll call for a early night. See everyone, people!

Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 06:25:00 PM
IP: 213.213.20.163

i was reading "through every season" (first story in the second season of Dark Ages) and the second picture doesnt load for me. i tried it again on a different computer (not like i was using it for that purpose) and it didnt load there either, so its not just me.

anyone know what happened to this picture and where i can find it?
NukesGoBoom - [NukesGoBoom@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 05:52:53 PM
IP: 12.243.91.175

*Warpmind enters, looking slightly grim.*
Well, this is it: my last post before grandfather's funeral. I'll be away for the weekend; maybe back on Sunday evening, sometime... Maybe. Anyway.

Spacebabie: Heh, I'm adorable... *Snicker* But right now, I'm not bald... I've had to let my hair grow long for the past week (from completely bald, that is) due to the funeral... Maybe I'll shave again over the weekend sometime. 'Cause getting my bald head rubbed *is* kinda fun. };) And it annoys Josh, of course. };)

Christine: Sent more magic items today. Unless something went wrong, you should have received The Buckler of Swashing, the indestructible lute El Kabong and the Calligrapher's Broadsword. :) Wait... what article? You're collecting the spells and items into an *article*? Ack! I'm getting articulated! ;) By the way, a question regarding the Elves and Orcs... Humans and Elves can interbreed. Humans and Orcs can interbreed. Can Orcs and Elves interbreed, as well, or is it just that the human genetics are kind of, uh, modular? (I keep imagining this Orc/Elf halfbreed with magical powers and a completely messed up family...)

Gside: None whatsoever.

Josh: Um, no, it couldn't be $600 worth of 0.01$ each... If you looked closely, the ad said about 1800 cards. Not 60000 cards... But what the heck; I've now added a price list and I've reduced the starting bid. And you're right. Somewhere, there is SOMEone who is willing to buy. I tend to categorize such people into three categories: a) Sufficiently devoted, b) Sufficiently obsessed, c) Sufficiently gullible. Personally, I'm more inclined to sell to someone in category a) or b), but I'm not too picky...

Mecord: Actually, I think the Pistoff situation was the *second* darkest hour... the Kit/Doug situation was, undeniably, the darkest, since it did terrible things to the trust between the dwellers...

Winterwolf: Actually, for you, I can make a special offer: I'll limit the raid to pre-approved locations, and, yes, Dreamie could get to rub my Baldness (hey, why not capitalize on it, eh?) for luck. Can't say what *kind* of luck, though... kinda fuzzy on those details. };)

Oh, that's right. *Throws a nerf ball at Thomas' head.* Longboat through Panama, my tail... If anything, I'd use the airlines. (Though, funds are tight right now; so it'd probably not be until 'round summer, if then...)

Well, that's it... Please direct any M:TG devotees to my link. I want to get rid of my cards, I want to make a few bucks on it (at least to partially cover what I paid for'em in the first place), and I'm paying postage, to wherever they go. See y'all around next week...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 05:30:30 PM
IP: 193.216.42.169

Thomas> "That sounds like an interesting tale. You may want to think about your color and pic. I almost confused you for Patrick."

lol. I can remember a time when people confused Patrick for me for the same reason. I was beginning to post less just about the time he began to post more, though, so it didn't matter much. Anyway, I don't post much -- maybe once every few months, these days -- so I'm not too worried about it.
Selanit - [public@atuan.com]
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 05:00:09 PM
IP: 128.138.114.102

** Niamhgold enters **

What a relief; finally got my portfolio done. Applying for a simple summer internship was so much like applying to transfer to another school. Cross your fingers, folks. I've also managed to damage my wrist, so drawing has become a hassle. Typing, amazingly, isn't so bad though...however, the bruising is a Bad Thing^TM.

It's very cool to see some of the animated shorts up for Oscars (or whatever they're up for) this year. There are two that are particularly interesting, "50% Gray" and "For the Birds" (Which everyone knows was the intro animation from Pixar's "Monsters, Inc."). I'm personally going for "For the Birds."

Replies:

Ethan: Really belated, but welcome to our crew. I'll take your sanity for you, sir.

Greg: <No, the Emmy will do... for now> Ooh, was that an ultimatum? I'll see what strings I can pull with the Oscar panel ;) <I'm thinking bullets and nerve gas actually> Nerve gas is a bit too slow. Perhaps something electrical?

Spacebabie: <. I have an exam coming up and I�m going to also study for curve ball questions and extra credit questions> Yay, no midterms this semester. Or, to better put it--no *tests*. Just monstrous projects that take weeks and weeks and weeks to do... :: deflates :: Dude, it's all about Final Fantasy :) I'll leave that to the menfolk ;) <Yes and it begins with a G> Well, in my dictionary that begins with an "A". <Hey my Major is real. Its called �I don�t have to deal with pointless labs and math> Well, maybe you don't have to deal with labs. But math? That's an everyday thing, and I'm an artist ;) I would have gone with the tiger, too ;) Though there is the whole monkey thing...at least no penguins! <

Shadowrider: Thanks for the email joke! It was great, of course :) <but if EVERYONE ELSE says the opposite (read: that you are a great artist, a very attractive woman, and so on), maybe there is a reason as well...;)> Awww, thanks. I hope things are going much better for you...I know you have a lot on your plate. Take it real easy. <Good luck...although you probably won't need it! :)> Seriously, you are too kind. I'm really not that good at all...and it doesn't help that they're among the top ten recruiters in the country :(. <Congratulations to Dreamie and Winterwolf! One thousand years of happiness> See, Imzadi, _you're_ not immortal ;)

GB: <So teh way to your heart is through yoru stomach. I do recommend Turkish Delight, which si excellent> Oh, I've always wanted to have it ever since the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, too! I've never had it yet. But Edmund made it look _so_ good (especially in the animated specials). What are the ingredients, exactly? For some reason, I've always associated it with Baklava... Well, I don't know about god, but I think you'll get your wish. You're not undeserving of retirement/honeymooning ;) <So teh way to your heart is through yoru stomach.> Well, the way to my digestive tract is through my stomach. I still haven't confirmed the existence of this "heart muscle". ;)

Gside: <Seeing as how it (or it's like) is usually expected to be said by men, there isn't much lubrication there> Ah. Good point. <Absolutely. I'll take anything I can get> They shall arrive in 3-5 business days. Are you willing to pay extra S&H? ;) <Heck, you free? And that probably isn't as flattering as it's intended to be> Did you intend it to be flattering? ;) In any case, you don't do yourself justice. I _am_ flattered. And next time I'm in Jersey for an extended enough period of time, I will be free enough to see you :) <Which character do you play. I'm using my ladies, Samus and Peach> Yeah, I usually go with Samus. Although, randomly, I tried Pikachu. Bad choice, IMNSHO. <I'd say "anything I can get" is more insulting> Well, I guess it's a good thing I'm a liberal. But you've got a bit of a purity score as a barrier here...

Susej: I doubt that. <Interesting...> Or interest_ed_? ;) <Why do they have to be natural?> WEll, because he said "with no lubricants", which suggest with no _artificial_ lubricants. You can't really help the naturally-ocurring ones. No, you cannot trade. The bunny's coming to _you_, and the VS models are in current shipment to _him_. If you want to switch, you're going to have to deal with FedEx. <By borrowing my bulldozers, huh?> They'll be _my_ bulldozers because it'll be _my_ empire ;) <Now *this* one I won't touch> :: gasp :: <29? that many?! F*CK> Well, now it's like 22. Or three weeks. Or something. <That implies that it decreases as time increases> Well, I'm talking about purity score here, so yes, it decreases (ideally) as time increases. <No, I can't. I've stopped using address book pretty much. I don't use iPhoto or iMovie, and I'd love to stop using mail> So hybridization _is_ the key. <Everyone else seems to think they did alright.> You'll be fine, trust me. <Who's the lead actor?> You guys can hash that out. I know that I'm real ;) <The animation industry has lost a great hero> Amen. Hmm, I wonder what you could possibly have planned that'd be such a distraction? ;) <I got to my 8AM class and my GSI was holding the spiral that I thought I'd lost last night. Then I took my transportation engineering midterm (open book), which was so easy I nearly laughed out loud during the test> Great! Seems like you got a hard-earned good day. :)

Hey, Mec...long time no see! :: hugs ::

Winterwolf: <Took the purity test over for fun and got 66%.> Whoa! Been busy? :: wink wink, nudge nudge, if you know what I mean? :: ;) <<Ain't love great?> Absolutely! No doubt about it! ^_^> I'll just hug my nice computer and nod my head.

Congrats Winterwolf and Dreamie! ::Hugs::

Can I ask...why does everyone make marriage plans this time of year? And why does everyone *make* marriage plans? I am so removing my organs, and replacing them with cybernetic implants ;)

Ravyn: <... I just found out last night that a friend of mine is pregnant> Aww...I'm so sorry. That's generally a Bad Thing^TM, and scary. Don't let her influence you, though. People these days aren't getting married until the thirties in many cases, and some, like myself, never want marriage/kids. Heh. I grew up in a real small town, too, and most of my acquaintances are married or having kids. That's why I got out ;) In any case, luck, and just take several deep breaths and deal with your own life :) :: hugs ::

Adios, folks
Niamhgold
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 04:29:45 PM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Ah SJ, I knew you'd be in to play kick the hornet's nest and run sooner or later. Don't ever change, man.

Real post... eventually.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 03:49:34 PM
IP: 207.222.59.120

Don't worry, if Lain happens to run into me while traveling through Arkansas, I'll see it she makes to Lousy Anna instead of Texas.

**BATTLEBOTS**
Mauler did to AGAIN. Yep, he self-destructed again. I do believe that bot needs to be redesigned to make it more bottom-heavy. Also, that guy needs to test out Mauler some more to calculate maximum safe speed for Mauler to spin and how to lower the center of gravity. Sheesh, Ziggo, another spinning battlebot, does not have those problems.

What happened to Biohazard and Vlad the Impaler? I haven't seen those two bots around. I don't see why they can't air a 30 minute episode of battlebots every weeknight. 1+2+4+8+16=31 battles for the last 5 rounds. Multiply by 4 and you get 124 battles for the tournament. Divide by 3 per show and you could ~42 episodes per season. If they isn't enough, show 6 rounds to make it 84 episodes per season.
**END BATTLEBOTS**

Thomas - <Some time apart will help your relationship the most, but don't go nuts with the independence. I hope you can get a better job with some more money.> Moving out won't be an option for a long time. I'll start the job search process seriously when I get to a certain level of progress of my back.

Speaking of progress on my back, the chiropractor said my progress is getting better and I can tell it because I barely felt anything with my adjustment yesterday. Sometime in May will be my next re-evaluation. At that time, I might be switching to visiting him once every 3-4 weeks.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 03:10:38 PM
IP: 204.94.193.28

Today was what I thought woudl eb a hectic day. 266th Fin Com Cmdr was her, buts he didn't show up in my Office to inspect. I was hoping to earn some brownie points by calling the room to attention since Finance Command is headed by a full bird Colonel. She was mainly Counsleing the Officers and higher up NCOs. She didn't finish so a few folks will have to go to Heidelberg where Fin Com is located to get their Counselings.

Spacebabie> The cat. France was still Gaul back in Attila's day. He drove teh FRankish Germans into Gaul, so he bears soem resoponsibility for creating France. Maybe I shouldn't make him my hero afterall ;)

<<Ever read stories by Kate Chopin?>> Didn't she pose as a man to get published?

<<So now their in the washing machine and I�m typing this to you pants less.>> Since my only internet connection is in an Ofice, I can't do that, but once its in my room, I'll be typing to all of you in my green bathrobe.

Selanit> That sounds like an interesting tale. You amy want to think about your color and pic. I almost confused you for Patrick.

Lexy> It was Christine's dream, but Attila is a cat and not a wolf.

DPH> <<What are the odds of the two of the more moral members of this CR going through a personal crisis at the same time? >> At least we know we're having problems. But I guess a crisis can be good in retrospect, since we can look for soem needed changes in our lives. I do recommend listening to Tony Robbins. I need to get his tapes, though they're at my father's.

<> Yeah, just like the amoral hedonists stick together. I do hope you can resolve things with your father. He's not perfect, but he's teh only parent you have left. The best thing you can do is move out. Some time apart will help your relationship the most, but don't go nuts with the independence. I hope you can get a better job with some more money.

Christine> Thanks for being able to listen.

SJ> Well, the fan website is not a public forum. Private organizations have the right to exclude anything they want. Besides, as his work goes, it wasn't that good.

Aimee. I read the story and I'm worried about Jen, though I think she admitted to being ahndy with a shotgun so I'm not too worried for her. With that fic ahndy, she'll only get charged for disturbing the peace with the blast.

Revel> It still isn't an excus for me to miss Mas, especially during Lent. I knwo its at 9 am, but I can get out and get the security get me a taxi to get there or I should try harder to get a ride. It's lazy of me to miss Mass. I also don't find drinking within moderation a sin, or swearing, though if used excessively, I find it distatsteful.

Mooncat> I agree with you. The only downside is that soem dopes (liek me a few hours ago) will want to see this fic more than before, as it is "banned", so he created demand for a crappy product. What botehrs me is taht thsi is not soem pathetic attempt to let off steam by killing off people he doesn't like, including Kaioto, Doug, Pogo, and Aimee, as well as Greg W. I don't want to dismiss it, since peopel made taht msiatke with Mein Kampf. I doubt he can afford to drive to Southern California, but Jen had better practice her marksmanship.

Gside> <<I've been to about three masses total while I've been at college. Granted, I don't value my faith as much as you, but I still don't think I'm too bad.>> Nah, that doesn't make you bad. You are kind of odd, sometimes, but quite amusing, like Firestorm.

Imzadi> <<You get them from being either abused or repressed or sexual frustrated...or maybe you're just a freak.>> Sexual frustration... I guess anyone who doesn't automatically scratch that itch is sexually frustrated to you, but I am not that frustrated. Now if i lost my virginity and then went years without any, I'd be frustrated, so its not that. Besides, I've ehard to mnay stories about soldiers stationed in Germany making penicillin a valued commodity, though this was back in the 70s.

<<Luckily, my grandparents live close to me. Unfortunately, this means I have to see them every time I'm home.> I liked my grandparents though its easier when you see them once a year. Be happy you have them around. You'll miss them when they do die.

<<What about you?>> What about me? I almost died twice before I was born (my heart stopped beating) and I almost suffocated in a french crib when I was two, though most of me survived.

<<Right because those are much better.>> No parent is perfect and we all make mistakes, so betetr do it form love than selfish reasons, unless your agreeing with me and not being sarcastic.

<<Bah. I've only known you for a year and that's easy to say.>> I didn't becoem a regular poster until July, so it's not even been that long.

<> I'll get that checked before I get married, though.

Leo> Pistoff is a part of the past. Hopefully, he's just a troll, but he could be a threat and I used to like him. That shows how clueless I am.

Mecord> Yeah, the Pistoff stuff was pretty awful. Much worse than the Jackal/Aris flame wars.

Winterwolf> Warpmind is a Universal Life Church minsiter so he can do the honors, but he'd ahve to take his longboat through panama to get to Seattle :)

As for Dreamie's cat, Attila never liked any other animals than George. He hated a manx my mothe rgot, thoug hteh manx was pretty dumb and a danger to anything valuable. Attial never liked Peanut the lab, but he was a grouchy old cat by then.

In other news, I saw Not Another Teen Movie. It was hilalrious and I loved all the references, especially as it went back to The Breakfast Club. I also like that they had Mr. T in it. I pity the fool who don't like Mr. T. I am definitely getting that movie on DVD or I'm getting it for a certain soemone, though I don't knwo what she thinks of me right now. I fear the worst.

Thomas - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 02:09:34 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

**Winterwolf stops in for a visit**

Hi. Today's been a fairly slow day for me but it gives me ample time to post. :)
Took the purity test over for fun and got 66%.

I want to thank everyone that sent us their congratulations.
Revel, SJ, Dubble, Siryn, Jaden, Shadowrider, Jan, Patrick, MoonCat, Warpmind, Aingeal, DPH, Spacebabie, Josh, Gside, GXB, Mara, Coyote and Rayvn
**HUGS** and thanks to each of you. You guys are the best. ^_^

Rayvn> <mid-life crisis at 19> I've been there too. It's especially ironic when you've thought in your childhood how cool it'd be when you're a grownup. Fortunately you found Coyote. ^_^

Coyote> <Ain't love great?> Absolutely! No doubt about it! ^_^

Green Baron & Warpmind> < Warpmind can do the honors if you don't mind a savage berserker Viking
raiding Seattle in the porcess :)> I didn't know Warpmind did that for special occasions. ;)

Warpmind> <savage berserker Viking raiding Seattle> Would Dreamie get to rub your shaven bald head for luck? :D

Spacebabie> <Charisma is getting big for her Kitty britches> Sounds like the kitty at Dreamie's place. Dreamie's mom wants a new little kitten in the house but the current solo kitty resident doesn't like any other animals on it's turf. It'll attack cats (kittens too) and dogs. Plus she's pretty set in her kitty ways so I don't know if it'd ever work.

Warpmind> Condolences for your grandfather from me and Dreamie.

Lexy & Jan> <allowing their children to torture or abuse the cats> That's awful! :( IMO that behavior should be stopped immediately. You should explain to kids that it is wrong to hurt or mistreat animals. If that isn't enough they shouldn't have the privilege of spending time with the pet until they adjust their behavior. Hopefully you can protect your cat by temporarily leaving the cat in area the monster children cant get into. <Nana> You know that's just German for... :)

Shadowrider> <mission to conquer that cliff, then placing Siege Tanks on the edge of it, protected by turrets> Turrets are not good enough against Guardians. You should use Goliaths instead. As a Gargoyle fan it would be more appropriate too. Course I'm used to Brood War where the Goliaths are an important unit. :D

Gside> <Dreamie, do you know how much it costs?> She knows. It was the only ring that was just right in all respects appraised value included. :)

SJ> <(He's evil! All men like him are evil!!! ;)> I said that to Dreamie once and she corrected me saying, "No your not evil, your just really naughty!" ;)

Josh> <Studied my butt off for my transportation midterm. Not happy. Wish me luck!> Break a leg! ;) <Did you two finally do it? ;-) > **innocent look** Whatever could you mean? ;P <I'm ill. Congrats> Was that a congrats for getting you ill yet again? j/k :D

Dreamie> **Kisses, cuddles, snuggles and more** 'cause I know you lurk and more importantly I love you. ^_^

Well that's all from me for now. Bye bye everybody!

**Winterwolf goes off to eat lunch**

Winterwolf - [awinterwolf@excite.com]
Seattle, WA
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 01:54:27 PM
IP: 12.231.21.141

Leo>> Oops, Sorry, didn't mean to misspell your name like that. :)
Mecord
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:51:43 PM
IP: 129.123.109.53

Loe>> The incident with Pistoff was perhaps the darkest hour of this CR. Be reasured, that is not a regular occurance and steps have been made to prevent such incidents. There has only ever been one other incident that came close to it and was dealt with by the administrators. So all in all, this has become a fairly safe CR.

Hi Everybody! I'm kind of in a lurking state for now, so if you "feel a disturbance in the force" that's just my spetre floating over your shoulder. School and work have got my schedual pretty tight and I have little time to read, let alone post. but I'm sure I'll pop in with odd comments from time to time.

Catch ya on the flipside.

Mecord
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:50:16 PM
IP: 129.123.109.53

About this "pistoff" person:

When I was looking trough the archives, I came accross a some rather disturbing (and graphic) posts regarding a "flame war?" between "pistoff" and another CR member. (I think it's unfortunate that that particular post is still in the archive and that maybe it should be removed) What's sad is that this was back in March 2000, so this person has had almost 2 years to "grow up" and get over this petty grudge.

This sort of thing caused a few people to stop posting all together.

I hope this isn't a regular occurance in this chat room and I certanly do not want to bring back old issues.

Leo
Yorktown, VA, USA
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:02:33 PM
IP: 172.155.177.44

:: applauds Aimee and Mooncat ::

This just in... the rules of the fanfic archive DO mean something after all. Kudos to the admin for staying on top of things, too.

:: trudes off into the snow ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 07:12:41 AM
IP: 66.72.192.87

Good day!

Well, for me anyway. I got to my 8AM class and my GSI was holding the spiral that I thought I'd lost last night. Then I took my transportation engineering midterm (open book), which was so easy I nearly laughed out loud during the test. Everything was in the reading if you knew where to look for it.

And my day was over at about 140 when I left office hours after getting homework tips.

Ooh and no midterms next week! JOY!

replies.

Siryn: <<everytime I go to a country or a city in the states..I know someone from this fandom>>: Isn't it cool that you always know that no matter where you are, some sucker will probably give you a place to stay? <<I'm on BREAK!>>: I'd give anything to be on break right now. Except the world. Or my car. Or my computers. But definitely anything else.

Christine: <<I've really had a far less eventful life than my reputation would lead people to believe>>: Its not your reputation, its your stories ;-)

Warpmind: <<my M:TG cards have been on the block for a week, and no bids yet>>: Either a) the price is too high or b) no one wants them. Hell, I have a sizeable collection myself, probably worth a few grand, that I've never been able to sell. Try as I might. <<Points to link at end of post>>: You don't say much about what's included. For all I know, it could be $600 of commons valued at $0.01 each. <>: Whatever. You should see this sweet one I got from Niamhgold. <<I'm sure Lain can fill you in on the details>>: I'm sure she won't. <<Your homeboys sure know how to handle their stones! *Grin* But not as well as my homeboys>>: I don't want to know about Norweigans handling canadian stones. <<keep me from having to use them as kindling>>: I'll never do that. Somewhere is SOME jerk-off who will pay for them.

Thomas: <<It's time to drop soem delusions>>: Not in this CR. <>: You get them from being either abused or repressed or sexual frustrated...or maybe you're just a freak. <<until I wind up like Jackal, only not as amusing>>: And a lot less annoying, I'll wager. <<the fact that I no longer had to take two day car rides to a retirement condo in Southern Florida in a 94 Cavalier>>: Luckily, my grandparents live close to me. Unfortunately, this means I have to see them every time I'm home. <>: Not at all. I never said I didn't understand forgiveness or why it was important. I just question the circumstances under which christians attempt to receive it. <<My sister was teh only child who survived>>: What about you? <>: Now you've degenerated into a full-blown nutcase. Get help, quickly. <<She went without lunch while I was in HS so I coudl have a computer when I went to College>>: That sounds a bit excessive to me. <<so I won't be making any major mistakes, only ones done out of love I hope>>: Right because those are much better. <<my God, he's boring!>>: Bah. I've only known you for a year and that's easy to say. <<It was easier when I was 6 and had the whole Oedipus Complex>>: You had an oedipal complex at age 6!? No wonder you're so messed up. <>: If you treat them like you say you will, you can bet they won't. <<I'm probably sterile form when I landed on a board when I was 11>>: I doubt it. It takes a lot more than that! <>: I never joke about something that serious.

Spacebabie: <<Today was a wet day>>: Kinky. <<I�m typing this to you pants less.>>: Thanks for the image. You'd be surprised how often I type/chat/etc pantsless. <<Boston Public was good taking>>: I agree. It rocked. <<Anyone want to bunk with me?>>: Oooh ooh pick me pick me! <<When your adorable and bald you get your head rubbed>>: Sadly he's only one of them. And its not adorable. <<Looks like he is trying to look like Mark Mcgraff>>: Been there, done that. Didn't work. <<Wrong Glute as in Gluteous Maximus>>: Do I really want to know how you pulled a muscle in your ass? <<Its real cause I don�t have to waste my time with pointless stuff>>: Ah, I see. <<Come to me little boy>>: I resent that remark! <<Not at the moment. I have to rescue him first>>: Your pussy is locked up? I told you to stop wearing that chastity belt! <<Your inhuman!>>: Der.

DPH: <<What are the odds of the two of the more moral members of this CR going through a personal crisis at the same time?>>: Well, that depends on what the odds are that one of us has a personal crisis. <>: I didn't say I didn't understand it. Just that I don't agree with it. <<There is no such thing as a random number>>: Hence the quote.

Christine: <<Switched brands of sleeping aid>>: NYQUIL!

SJ: <<To those not concerned, you may go about your regular business and ignore this inside message>>: Oh, stuff it. Even I can't condone death threats and this kind of psychopathic behavior, even under the guise of free speech.

Person who would like to know when the new seasons start: NEVER, stop asking.

Patrick: <<But cold weather... really, you can keep it, thanks>>: Cuz you know they want it. <<trying to pull "Huck Finn" from the library shelves?>>: They do that? <<Me... I like Junkyard Wars. I stand in awe of any group of four guys who can build a submarine in eight hours from discarded auto parts>>: I think Junkyard wars is more a CivE thing and BattleBots is more a MechE thing. <>: Did you see my posts from last semester? They were worse! <<just wait until you take advanced structures and get analyze some rigid members>>: I've already done that in two of my classes.

Aimee: <<You do realize that something like this is in many cases considered stalking>>: I wouldn't bet on him understanding that.

Revel: <<When picking a topic of philosophy to discuss do NOT pick the philosophy of warefare>>: I couldn't tell if you meant wellfare or warfare. What's wrong with philosophy of warfare?! Blowing things up is cool! <>: Bad news, dude. There are many branches of math that deal with chaos. <>: What did I say? I've met many people from the CR. <<there's always bars and strip clubs>>: Never been to either one. Don't feel the desire to break a perfect record. <<tell them they are all wierd>>: I'm sure that will really insult them. <<don't get lost in Arkansas, you might just end up in Texas on accident>>: Is that better or worse?

Gside: <<we gotta deal with this "love your neighbor" stuff>>: "No! Moses! Not THAT way!" <<You never know whether there's going to be an update or not>>: So true. <<A book has been written without an e. I believe it was called Gadsby>>: Did it suck as much as its namesake? <<But I don't want to leave the country>>: Wrong comment. <<The problem's on your end>>: There are many problems with my end, but I don't think telekinetics are one of them. <>: Good plan...I think. <<It's like someone not knowing why you can't find something after measuring its momentum exactly>>: LOL! <<Woohoo>>: I'm thinking a CR law that females post pantsless should be enacted. <<Is he at the other end of a body of water? And if so, are you going to use the little man in the boat to help?>>: Is this a euphamism I'm not picking up?

Now comes the really boring character development.
-Ben Barron, while watching Gladiator

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 02:58:36 AM
IP: 64.161.25.31

Imzadi> <<Since there's nothing in the 10 commandments against hate, I guess its okay for catholics, isn't it?>>: Nah, it's good for Jews, but we gotta deal with this "love your neighbor" stuff.
<<Not as hard as you might think>>: Unless you're trying to catch up.
<<ome guy in lab today who was talking about how cool men's figure skating was and I thought "you will never know a woman's touch">>: But a lot of them like yaoi.
<<The feeling of hitting the reload button? Is it a rush for you too?>>: You never know whether there's going to be an update or not.
<<I've typed a post without w,s, and x before>>: A book has been written without an e. I believe it was called Gadsby.
<<Which is why I added that extra comment to my post to FS>>: But I don't want to leave the country.
<<When I couldn't get it to levitate>>: The problem's on your end.
<<I'm sending out the signals, but its obviously not receiving them>>: No, you just don't know the right signals.
<<Borrow implies a piece of paper in the mail that says "pay me">>: Or else the big heavy guys with kunckles that might as well be brass will come and carry off your car.
<<Hey if you really want to get some maybe you should commit a crime>>: I told you before, I'm not switching teams until I get at least one at bat.

Christine> <<most of the time, especially at the vet's office, it's greeted with blank stares>>: Since I have been living with engineers for the past four years, I have no conception of how that could be possible. It's like someone not knowing why you can't find something after measuring its momentum exactly.

Warpmind> <<No bands of the sort here>>: No schools you could hit up?

Thomas/Green Baron/etc.> <>: I've been to about three masses total while I've been at college. Granted, I don't value my faith as much as you, but I still don't think I'm too bad.

Spacebabie> <<I�m typing this to you pants less>>: Woohoo.
<<Not at the moment. I have to rescue him first>>: Is he at the other end of a body of water? And if so, are you going to use the little man in the boat to help?

PWWLTKWTNSS> <>: Most of us will gladly admit to being geeks.
<<otherwise i tend to ramble>>: We all ramble.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 02:40:38 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

SJ -- Censorship? Or merely upholding long standing rules of good conduct? Pistoff's public snuff fantasy about real people in the fandom was a petty piece of work. Poking at grown ups is one thing, but including depictions of a real person's children as well... Well, the story didn't do any credit to it's author. *shrug*

Cry Censorship if you want. It's going to be a hard sell considering the piece that was 'censored' was a murder fantasy centered around a real person in the Gargoyles fandom, which even included her kids.

But if that's the kind of "fiction" that floats your boat, you can probably get a copy of it from the author if you ask him.

*shrugs again*
Whatever

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 02:08:07 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

SJ: <Censorship>
This is about Pistoff's story "Gargoyles 2K: The Strange Case of Jennifer Andrews" correct?

Fire Storm
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 01:22:00 AM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Lexy > LOL, thanks for clearing that up! As for Alinora's father, she was his special precious cherished princess, and he favored her over all his other children (his interaction with poor Lionnen makes me just want to smack him one). I like the idea of Ariana encountering Lady Karadan. May have to do that. Thanks for the nudge in the right direction!

Christine
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:27:14 AM
IP: 64.24.187.186

Christine- The 'Oh Sweet' was for you replying to me so quickly..BTW..not cuz Arien's foster dad is dead. Sorry..so excited..forgot to clarify! -_-;
Lexy
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:17:55 AM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Christine- Oh sweet! So his dad is dead. Ok. But his mom is still around. Alright. I was really wondering if they (now I guess it is she) would feel ashamed at the attention, but actually be interested or maybe confused. I mean. She _did_ raise him from a very young age. You would think she would have believed him to be capable of certain things, but not others. Thusly..I wonder if she would be ashamed at the talk, but maybe question it in her own mind. Unless, maybe, that whole episode with Alinora when they were first engaged was enough to freak her out about him. Arien spoke fondly of her in his journal. Said she had always been a mother to him. Was that really all shallow behavior? I mean. Alinora's Dad is bitter over losing his daughter..is it more because of the shame brought onto the family, because she was left for an elfkin? Or is it more that his baby was killed? Similarly, would Arien's surviving foster parent be more concerned with the bad name he is giving her, or would she be feeling loss since she raised him to be different/thought he was different then that. If her husband is dead, and she adopted Arien (I assume he was their only?), and he ran off and started to 'cause trouble', you would think she'd feel pretty alone/screwed over. I don't know. I know those ppl are shallow. So I wondered where on the scale they were. Is it a little of collum *SP* A and a little from B? Or more one then the other? UPS!! I rambled -_-; can't help it. I _really_ had been pondering this a while, before emailing you. For some reason, when I found out (many months ago) that Ariana would be going to the Emerin, my first thought was (oh, hey maybe she will run into her 'grandparents'..geez.._that_ otta be good. Especially since she _looks_ like a normal elf.) But I guess there is no answer ..._yet_ *L* So I will just have to wait and see!
Lexy
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:15:16 AM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Patrick > I don't know if Toro's design contains any lawnmower parts. All I know is he's the most impressive flip-bot on the scene. If Diesector had to lose, I'm glad it was to Toro.

Here we go again ...
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:05:31 AM
IP: 64.24.187.186

Mental note: When picking a topic of philosophy to discuss do NOT pick the philosophy of warefare. I never thought there would be so much math involved in something that always struck me as too chaotic to involve a great deal of math. Sure, plug some numbers, move the mortar a few degrees and boom. It's goign but going slow. Luckly all my other mid-term work is done or moving more smoothly.

It's cold, 24 degrees acording to my weather bug thingy, and about now someone is thinking FU, it's colder where I am, and they would be right, but it's still cold.

Saw Heart's War, had a few interesting twist, but too much of a Law and Order for 2 hrs type of movie for my taste. I prefer lude, sick comedey like Super Troopers.

SJ- what is censorship again? I forgot.

I know I said it on IM, but congrats to Dreamie and Winterwolf.

Josh- I don't find anything wrong with people meeting in the CR. If something more happens than more power to you.
If not, heh, there's always bars and strip clubs.

Quin- Welcome, I met an exchange student form New Zealand once, she had quite a distaste for Aussies though. No point to that statement I'm just trying to reach into the fog that is my mind of the HS era.

Greg- next time you are in a Tolken room, tell them you are actually the dark lord and that beast without wings are only fit to eat people who think they know more than the author. Or tell them they are all wierd and are under your jurisdiction.

GB or Thomas- Dude, my old roomie was an entrie level novice as a Benedictine Monk, even he missed church sometimes, and drank and cursed and... maybe I should stop there. Anyhow, cheer up, things will get better.

Lain- don't get lost in Arkansas, you might just end up in Texas on accident. ];)

"No wonder it's called the unholy hour, even God is not up this early."

-Mark, at four in the morning-

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:58:08 PM
IP: 129.120.230.108

Sevarious- garg-fans has a right to maintain it's PREVIOUSLY decided rules. Pistoff should not have posted it if he didn't understand or respect the rules. There are plenty of places all over the net where he can put his story and not be censored.

I'm also glad to see that garg-fans does NOT support vaguely disguised threats of murder. Just becuase you omit someones last or first name,... but forget to omit all the details about them, doesn't mean that we don't ALL know who you are talking about.
You do realize that something like this is in many cases considered stalking.
Aimee - [aimee@aimeemajor.com]
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:58:02 PM
IP: 66.120.228.175

:: wanders in ::

It's cold and snowing up here in Great Lakes country again. If there's one thing I wish Canada would NOT export across the border, it's snow. Beer... yes. Good hockey players... yes. But cold weather... really, you can keep it, thanks.

SJ > What do you mean? Is someone on another political correctness crusade again, trying to pull "Huck Finn" from the library shelves?

Christine > That battlebot named "Toro" doesn't happen to be based on a lawn mower chassis, does it? ;) Me... I like Junkyard Wars. I stand in awe of any group of four guys who can build a submarine in eight hours from discarded auto parts.

Josh > I see you're learning the art of engineer's innuendo quickly. If you think calculating head is interesting... just wait until you take advanced structures and get analyze some rigid members. ;)

:: heads off to bed ::
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:53:22 PM
IP: 66.72.192.87

hi to all the peoples!

i could not help noticing the upated section the the "New Season" page, that said that the staff was working on all stories.... that was three months ago

and looking back a few several weeks of postings, i also noticed that a few people came into this room a little angry... i can understand their point of view, but i also understand the meaning of "Real Life Issues"- so, i won't be nasty.

i came in here with the suggestion that to prevent such nasty postings in the future that maybe the webmaster would update that particular page... at least to let us know that it will be put off further.

i hope that i do not sound like a geek coming in here

i hope to visit this room often, but only if i have something relevent to say... otherwise i tend to ramble.

good bye for now ladies and gentalmen

Person who would like to know when the new seasons start
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:02:25 PM
IP: 64.197.200.84

This just in:

Censorship lives.

To those not concerned, you may go about your regular business and ignore this inside message.
Sevarius "You know who I'm talking to!" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:01:18 PM
IP: 66.44.71.141

Lexy > I tried to reply to your e-mail but it bounced back at me. To answer your question, though -- Lord Karadan, his foster father, is dead; his wife appears in mourning in CotSB. Lady Karadan herself may still be around but I haven't done anything with her since. One of the more unlovely traits of Emerinians is to sweep all unpleasant matters of the past as far under the rug as they can. But Count Elyvorrin is the type to hold a grudge. It wouldn't surprise me if he, unable to get at Arien, had lashed out at her somehow. Interesting. I'm at a point in the writing of the 3rd ElfLore now when I might be able to explore that. Thanks!

Warpmind > keep sending those spells and items! The article just gets bigger all the time! ; )

Thomas > I'm sorry to see you so troubled. I doubt I'd be much help, but I'm only ever an e-mail away.

Now, what did I forget? I only just woke. Switched brands of sleeping aid, and spent most of last night in a daze. Got no writing done. Watched two movies -- Grosse Pointe Blank (good un, dryly funny in the way I expected Fargo to be but it wasn't) and Darkman (ugh, but had a brief cameo by Bruce).

Gonna scoot. Battlebots in ten minutes. All hail Toro, superheavyweight champ! To-ro! To-ro! Even if he did beat my beloved Diesector to get there.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 09:49:29 PM
IP: 64.24.214.100

What are the odds of the two of the more moral members of this CR going through a personal crisis at the same time?

I found myself feeling obligated to defend my faith when challenged, but I am currently not in a position to defend my faith.

Jan - thanks for the email. I will have to work something out on my own.

Thomas - I wish I was in a better position to be able to help you. Us moralists in the CR need to stick together.

Imzadi - I wasn't sure you (or any non-moralists) would figure out my predictament. <Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.> There is no such thing as a random number.

My dad cut some wood up today so I would be able to stay warm a little longer. I can trust my dad, but not completely.

I guess I have said everything I was meant to say today.

Oh yea, one more thing: a librarian said the book I am looking for maybe in for repairs. If it was, I would be listed as available.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 07:23:12 PM
IP: 204.94.193.53

Christine: <<glad you're amused ... I woke from that one only able to say, "HUH???">> What else was there to say!? *L*<<purity test? Me? Pff ... that'd be boring. I've really had a far less eventful life than my reputation would lead people to believe.>> *snickers quietly to self*

Siryn:<< Ack ack..sorry love..I forgot you lived in Boston! *HUGS HUGS HUGS* Next time, I'll visit promise!!! <:)>> *sniffles*...O...Ok. pwomis?;)<<You got mail btw babe! ;D And..I'm not mega busy anymore..I'm on BREAK!!>> YEA!!:D <<But yes..I am soo sorry... *bows down and kisses her feet* Forgive me!!!>> Hmmm...wellllll Ok. <<Ooo extra annoying! Sounds like fun! ;D>> whooboy.

Josh:<< Nonsense. I've typed a post without w,s, and x before.>> ..Wow. Impressive. And here I am going crazy over just a screwy space bar:) << Did you not know?>>*L* Only Christine could say! Not my dream *L*. Anyhow, from what I've read, she doesn't know either. I am just curious is all;)

GreenB:<<Attila?>> No way;) Finders keepers. Unless you have a certain olive green garg to trade me? A girl must review her options. *s*

VOTE EVERYONE!:D
Lexy
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 06:51:24 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

I don't post here much, but I've been around a while. I just read a book that I thought you all might find interesting, so I thought I'd write up a short review.

Title: St. Patrick's Gargoyle
Author: Katherine Kurtz

<WARNING! Possible spoilers ahead, though I'll try not to spoil too much>

Some of you may be familiar with Kurtz's Deryni series, or possibly her Adept series. This book is totally unrelated to either of them.

The book is set in modern-day Dublin, a city Kurtz knows well since she lives immediately south of there, near Bray. The premise is that there are live gargoyles scattered through the city. Each one is assigned a protectorate, usually a particular building or area of historical importance. They take their names from the buildings they guard -- hence the gargoyle in charge of St. Patrick's Cathedral is named Padraig, or "Paddy" for short.

On the surface, this is very much the same premise the show we all know and love so well, and it is clear that Kurtz is familiar with the show, as there is at least one direct (if vague) reference to the show. However, the similarity ends there. The gargoyles in Disney's version are basically the same as humans -- tougher, with wings, and given to petrification, but basically the same sort of creature as humans. In Kurtz's conception, gargoyles are the physical manifestations of angels -- specifically, avenging angels of the Old Testament who got reassigned to guard duty after God mellowed out in the New Testament. If you happen to see one of Kurtz's gargoyles reflected in a black mirror, you won't see the gargoyle but instead your standard lordly-looking angel with stars about the brow and a sword girt round the middle.

This is exactly what Templeton, the tale's aged human character, sees when he catches sight of Paddy reflected in the highly-polished side of his vintage Rolls Royce. (Incidentally, seeing the gargoyle's true form means you're going to croak in short order.) Templeton, being 82, is ready to go. But first he helps Paddy track down some thieves who stole some silver from St. Patrick's; and later Paddy calls upon him in his capacity as a Knight of Malta to go and help prevent a demon (Baphomet) from escaping its imprisonment in a head-shaped reliquary brought to Ireland by the Templar Order long ago.

I thought it was a delight to read. It's considerably lighter-hearted than any of Kurtz's previous fiction. Also there are far fewer characters to keep track of than in her Deryni novels, so you quickly gain a good sense of who's who. The world she envisioned was internally consistent, and her conception of gargoyles-as-angels fits well into the decidedly Christian worldview in the book. I'd give it four out of five stars, and recommend it to any Gargoyles fan.

Enjoy!

<End Review>

BTW, click my name for a link to Amazon's entry for the title.
Selanit - [public@atuan.com]
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 05:04:53 PM
IP: 128.138.177.52

Today was a wet day. I washed my cats cause they have fleas. Despite the fact that I had an apron on my pants still got wet. So now their in the washing machine and I�m typing this to you pants less.

Reviews for Boston Public and ANGEL

Boston Public was good taking on a serious issue dealing with the N word.

Angel was also good. I feel sorry for Wesley although he looks good being rough around the edges.

Gathering info. I need a roomie and I need transportation. Anyone want to bunk with me? I don�t snore.

Replies

Firestorm<<<What? No Chianti? ;)>>>Here you go<<<It's more about taste than anything.>>>Then you need a lot of ketchup<<<Me, I prefer the living. Their screams make eating more enjoyable! >>>How crunchy are the bones?

Warpmind<<<Hey, I thought I got enough of that in LA and Canada... };) >>>When your adorable and bald you get your head rubbed.

Shadowrider<<<but in the Italian system the worst possible result is 0/30...it was clear anyway, isn't it? ;) >>>As Clear as glass.

Stephen<<<As the votes went in selecting the new Editor for Avalon Mists, I won.>>>Congrats!

Christine>>>I�m keeping my fingers crossed for you.

Josh<<<Congrats. I finished a 6 page lab write up yesterday, and it was a devil.>>>Thanks and congrats to you.<<<Is his voice dropping and he's getting hair in funny places?>>>Yeah
On his chin. Looks like he is trying to look like Mark Mcgraff.<<<Groin?>>>Wrong Glute as in Gluteous Maximus .<<<How is that real?>>>Its real cause I don�t have to waste my time with pointless stuff.<<<Yes. Now how are you gonna prove this wrong?>>>Come to me little boy.<<<Ah, so you slap your pussy instead�>>>Not at the moment. I have to rescue him first.<<>> Your inhuman!<<<Anyway, we learned today that water is smarter than we are because it avoids pressure>>>That�s out of the four elements Water is my favorite.<<<Studied my butt off for my transportation midterm. Not happy. Wish me luck!>>> Good Luck

Green Baron<<>>Ever read stories by Kate Chopin?<<<Attila was much nastier to the French.>>>The Hun of the cat?

SJ<<<Speaking of LOTR, a quick reminder � a 3 � minute preview of The Two Towers will be added to the FOTR on Mar. 22nd.>>>Thanks for the tip.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 04:43:36 PM
IP: 67.25.53.23

It's time to drop soem delusions. I think its time to just get rid of the old Green Baron monicker. When I first commented in Station 8, back in 97, I was Thomas, until Thomas Revor staretd posting, then I became Thomas Forsyth, so we wouldn't be confused. Well, I highly doubt he'll eb showing his face around here, so I guess its time for me to accept soem reality and grow up a bit, without using a sn or anything, and frankly I need help. I don't knwo what's wrong with me soemtimes and where I get soem of my ideas from, even if they are not serious. I don't think I was thsi screwed up, before I was a soldier. Maybe, a lot of oddness that has been supressed comes out now that I have a real taste of freedom, independence and self-sufficiency, or I'm slowly sinking into the path of depravity until I wind up like Jackal, only not as amusing.

I also need tos top appearing a defender fo teh faith. I am not much of a Catholic. I missed Mass last week and missed a lot since I've been in Germany. I ahven't prayed teh rosary in weeks, either. That seems to hold whatever is in me at bay. I can't explain it. When I read my catechism or any Catholic books, I realize just how worng I generally am. Maybe there's hope since I recognize something is wrong.

Now, on to replies.

Warpmind> I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather. Mine are all dead, so I know what its like to lose them, and the fact that I no longer had to take two day car rides to a retirement condo in Southern Florida in a 94 Cavalier was a small consolation.

Siryn> Boston. You're not too far from Kaioto or Gorebash. You're a pretty devoted sister. I think I forgot to get Anne a birthday present for her 18th birthday..oops.

DPH> <<My body isn't strong enough to work all the anger out of system, even before I had my current back problems.>> Well, you should be careful about it. I don't want to see you hurt yourself.

<<Perhaps, Green Baron or some one else can explain to you why I can't ask for forgiveness of a sin that I plan on committing again and again.>> I doubt its' worth the time explaining to him. Not that he'd jsut scoff at it anyway. Well, we are all sinners and penitence is important in forgiveness. Sometimes all you can do is try and you may just have to give it your effort to work on it. God knows we coem short of being fully devoted but He loves us anyway. You don't have to like your father, but its not healthy hating him. I regret cutting my fatehr from my life for two years and all the resentment I had and still ahve against my mother. It's not fair to her. My sister was teh only child who survived, after all.

<> I don't think Iknew what e-mail was back then.

Sevarius Jr> <<Can I just say that this is taking a rather disturbing turn? Are you sharing insights into your own psychology here?>> I just need help. Lots of it. You remember what I was like before. I used to be sane and good natured, though a littel arrogant.

<<Dude, I was raised in an environment where my happiness didn�t mean a whole lot. Where MY father decided it was his duty to decide what should make me happy. The result? I can�t stand him, AND I�m a bit screwed up. Thankfully my mother is a saint, otherwise I would be a serial killer right about now.>> MY mother meant well. She jsut made me such a big deal about her life. Granted, she was temporarily infertile due to leukemia,a nd tehn she is married for four years and finally has me, but I almost die twice in childbirth, plus that 109 F fever when I was a year old. All she did was out of love, even though it beotehred me, though mainly I just didn't liek it when she touched my rear or other areas. It may hvae been innocent, but I felt uncomfortable. She worked a crappy job so my sister and I can get free Jesuit educations. She went without lunch while I was in HS so I coudl have a computer when I went to College. Grante dthe laptop was a real piece of crap, but she meant well. We may be very different peopel and need our space, but I still love her, though I am sometimes afraid to admit it. I also didn't like being to oclose to her, because she smoked heavily and stank. She was also critical, but she just wanted to keep me from making mistakes, and she never read Dr. Spock when I was a baby, which I am very greatful about. Right now, I wish I was a better son. I od miss teh intellectual discussion we used to have. She just got so depressed taht she just went to not wanting to discuss mdoe and I resented her for that. I look back on my past and its amazing I don't rtry to hit that figure in my mirror.

<<Whenever you are referring to someone else, especially a child, and you use the phrase �for his / her own good�, you�re in deep, dark waters. It�s my opinion & experience that NOTHING good comes from doing anything �for their own good�. Translation of that phrase � �I, the parent, have a view of how I want the child�s live to be, and they will live MY view or else.� Believe it or not, parents do NOT always know best for their child. Seriously, you need to take a step back and reconsider some of your views on child-rearing.>> I just want my kids to have more order and structure in their lives. I am just as guilty of the extremes all parents are. I have no plans of having kids anytime soon or losing my virginity anytime soon, so I won't be making any major mistakes, only ones done out of love I hope.

<<But if you want a child one day with your wife, whoever she may be, I really think you need to put more thought into it.>> I agree. I am nowhere near ready, plus I want toa dopt so I'll definitely get tons of educationa nd training in being a good parent.

<<Please tell me that you WON�T do that. I can not even begin to describe how royally messed up you will make a kid by laying a guilt trip upon them. By your own admission, you don�t get along with your mother, so why the hell would you want to raise kids the same way she did?>> Worse, I'd arise kids in teh same manner but jsut as badly. My mother did a better job than some, but she neevr liked the fact that I'm anal retentive and boring. Sh ealso was a bit too critcial, but her mother was the same way. If my mother wore soemthing my garndmotehr didn't approve of, my mother was paid to buy a new outfit and burn the current one. No wonder she was called an Irish Catholic Jewish mother. However I loved my garndmother and she considered me her favorite grandson though when she spent some time with me, she told my mother, "my God, he's boring!!"

I don't know how I feel about my mother sometimes. It was easier when I was 6 and had the whole Oedipus Complex, but thank God that ended before my balls dropped, because I'm from Louisiana, not West Virginia ;)

My father on teh other hand would be alot cooler fi he neevr drank. When I was thriteen he told me my first joke about the kid with no arms or longer joining little league so he could be third base. Of course, when he was disspaointed me especially with grades, he always asked me if I was happy with my grades, and that always worked to make me study harder.

I woudl let them decide teh punishmnet first and if it didn't seem to fit the crime, I'd shake my head and make them redo it. I doubt it will be more than groundings, though. I hope my kids only do minor bad stuff.

<<Still, you have to respect a guy crazy enough to suggest we build a wall around the Southern border of the U.S., just to keep out the latinos.>> Yeah and he's funny on the McLoughlin Group, as opposed to Eleanor Clift. Though Tony Blakeney is my favorite next to John McLoughlin.

<<My personal opinion? If she�s preggers, and she�s keeping it, marry her. Outside of children, there isn�t much reason to be hitched.>> I'd back Josh there, since a marriage like that and many of tehm don't wind up permanent is not going to erase the bad thing they did, but the man has a definite responsibility to be a godo and responsible father figure unless he's just completely nuts.

I do need lots of training in chidlreaering, especially when I want to name my first son Osbert. Then again, I'm probably sterile form when I landed on a board when I was 11.

Lexy> <<Wolf/garg hybrids you say? hmmm..Now I _have_ to wonder what daddy looked like;) Any Takers ppl??>> Attila?

Imzadi> <> Both, but also genetic. My mother can clear a room, but luckily only when family is around. My cats were worse sometimes :)

<<He couldn't just maybe be stupid instead?>> Well, I still add it to his negative qualities. The whole Great Satan thing came from a joke my College roomate meade about these bumper sticker ideas and he included Pat Buchanan among those bad things. His other one was "Impeach Clinton? Hell, no. We're ahving too much fun laughing at him."

<<What if one cheats on the other? Should they still be married?>> Cheating is different. It ranks in there with those extreme circumstances, and falling out of love can still allow the couple to remain friends. To me, having a spouse who is a good friend and companion is what's most important.

<> Thsi is jsut from a mutual friend's wrods. It would be funny if its true.

<> I can't sayt hat I actually hate my parents. I have differences with them, plus I thought the world domination stuff was a joke.

JEB> Yes! You post! All hail JEB!! We are not Worthy!! ::bows like a Buddhist:: :D

Chrsitine> I'm just saying its not a post you hold for liek ten or twenty years. I must admit you did a great job of it.

Now, to post and those of you of a religious nature, your prayers would be helpful.

Thomas - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 03:59:16 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

*Warpmind strolls in, carrying a link, for the occasion.*
Okay, my M:TG cards have been on the block for a week, and no bids yet... I may have set the initial bid a bit high, but I think it was a reasonable... Folks, if you at least care to take a look, see if you can't spread the word? I am DESPERATE to get rid of this pile! (And they're all in great condition, too...) *Points to link at end of post.*

Stephen Sobotka: Congrats. Hope AvMists will keep up its public appeal like before... Though, I'm sure that won't be much of a problem for you. :)

Gside: No such luck. No bands of the sort here. The closest to a band uniform I could scrounge up around here is... well... something a Redneck would be able to look down at. :p

Josh: Got the pic, thanks. *Snickers maniacally* And I am SUCH a stud in that picture, too, eh, Lain? };) Oh, and as for what happened to my head in Canada, well... *Smirk* I'm sure Lain can fill you in on the details...

Fire Storm: You know, sometimes I almost suspect that we have some of your relatives over at the faculty, but then I realize that they have a lot more... preserving attitude to humans. };) (If you know, you know. If you don't, you might not want to....)

Oh, and by the way... Canada getting Silver in Curling was well done - that final was *scary*. Oh, and Lain? Your homeboys sure know how to handle their stones! *Grin* But not as well as my homeboys. };)

Christine: I'm typing up some more... interesting magical items, like the indestructible lute El Kabong. Keep your eyes peeled for e-mail. ;)

Well, that about sums up this post. No, I would urge each and every one of you who actively plays/collects Magic: The Gathering, or who has friends who do, to check out my auction, and help me get rid of those cards in a way that allows me to catch up some of the money I spent on them, and keep me from having to use them as kindling...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 01:18:33 PM
IP: 193.217.200.128

Morning, all. A few quick posts before I toddle off to bed.

Josh > purity test? Me? Pff ... that'd be boring. I've really had a far less eventful life than my reputation would lead people to believe.

Lexy > glad you're amused ... I woke from that one only able to say, "HUH???"

Green Baron > AvMists was supposed to have rotating editors? LOL, that's the first I've heard of it. Far as I know, it went from Jill to Leva to me, and now to Stephen.

Fire Storm > that's the curse of that damn story ... that's the problem.

Gside > well, at least some people get the reference; most of the time, especially at the vet's office, it's greeted with blank stares (and then they have to spell it).

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:29:08 PM
IP: 64.24.214.187

Ack ack ack..everytime I go to a country or a city in the states..I know someone from this fandom! O.o;;

Lexy> Ack ack..sorry love..I forgot you lived in Boston! *HUGS HUGS HUGS* Next time, I'll visit promise!!! <:) You got mail btw babe! ;D And..I'm not mega busy anymore..I'm on BREAK!! *throws confettie and celebrates* But yes..I am soo sorry... *bows down and kisses her feet* Forgive me!!! <:D Ooo extra annoying! Sounds like fun! ;D

Nothing much else..flying home today (back to NY! ;D)..working on a commission (yay..money! for ME..that isn't gathering related! hehee. >;D Now I'll be able to fund..a day of animation class!)

KEEP VOTING FOR GARGS PEOPLE! :D

Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 09:49:48 AM
IP: 64.12.101.153

Hi ya'll. Good morning (other than being about 20 degrees where I am - if I lived in a country that used the metric system that wouldn't be so bad...)

It probably won't last, but I'm in a pretty good mood right now. I've been thinking about a story in a cool setting I developed, but I couldn't get the pieces to hang together. Last night I made a breakthrough that makes my theoretical protagonist a lot cooler.

I don't have time to explain right now, but maybe I'll be able to post some details in the near future.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 09:01:01 AM
IP: 198.215.20.3

Dubble: << Yours, JEBs and Winterwolf's work...right? O_o >>

Wrong order... should be "Winterwolf's and JEB's." I contributed very little to the final page, so he should get most of the credit. Thanks. :)
JEB
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 07:00:38 AM
IP: 172.146.18.102

I love mondays. One class in the morning, office hours after lunch to finish my homework, and then a lab in the afternoon where we play with dirt.

Maybe there's something to this geotech stuff after all. Anyway, we learned today that water is smarter than we are because it avoids pressure. The problem is that in engineering, pressure is referred to as "head". And personally, I don't think anyone who avoids head is smart.

Studied my butt off for my transportation midterm. Not happy. Wish me luck!

replies

Jan: <<One boy could very well loose a scholarship because of the arrest>>: See now THAT sucks. He'll have to write a letter to the college and blah blah blah. <<yea, you have that right>>: YES!

Greg X: <<he was evil before coming out of prison. He wrote Mein Kampf while in there... very badly written book>>: You're right. I meant he became evil while he was in prison. I was referring to the writing of Kampf, albeit badly. <<The Tolkien fanatics who want to burn Peter Jackson alive for ... basically the slightest change to the littlest detail. You should look at some of these Tolkien message boards, they're more rabid than some people here>>: These people need lives. Nitpicking is for Star Trek anyway. I have no problem with sci-fi nitpicking, since its supposed to be based in physics and realtiy, but fantasy nitpicking annoys me. So what if its not exactly like the book!? It was closer than any movie has ever been before. << guess it depends on what part of Mexico you're in>>: Well, if you're me, its any part. Mexico makes me ill, literally. <>: I'll feel free to tell him. GB wil have to monitor this kids internet connection if he doesn't want us raining on his abuse. <>: I'm betting he'll marry a woman that won't care. It's the kid we have to save. <<Just like most Catholic priests>>: Ya know, its interesting. For two evil guys with no morals, we sure have a lot to say about this. <<being an anti-semitic hate-monger is so much better than cheating on your wife>>: Seriously. Since there's nothing in the 10 commandments against hate, I guess its okay for catholics, isn't it? <<who'd want to live among thousands of Mormons>>: If heaven was infinite, you could conceivably get far away from them. <<I'm with Josh on this... surprise, surprise. This is truly disgusting>>: Thank you. I was afraid I'd get jumped on. <<Why should she have stayed married to my father, the man was a very abusive to all of us>>: An excellent point. <<That's enough of your shit, you stupid BITCH!>>: A very useful line. <<There is a reason the KKK and the neo-Nazis like this guy>>: I still don't think he's worthy of "Great Satan". He's just an asshole.

Leo: <<How much time do you spend typing your posts in the CR?>>: I write my posts over the course of the entire day. If I had to compress it all into one time span, I'd say about 60-90 minutes, roughly. But I rarely just sit down and do it all at once.

Green Baron: <>: I think its because of your diet. <<maybe Dilbert Slash>>: GAH NO! <<He is also too damn cozy with labor Unions, yet is supposed to be a conservative icon>>: Oh no! And because he likes labor unions, he must be evil? He couldn't just maybe be stupid instead? <<it seems that marraiges end, because the passion is gone or he's boring, or the wife snores, or they fell out of love>>: This is why its such a good idea to not wait till marriage to do certain things. I'd never marry a woman who snored. Nor would I expect any woman to put up with me snoring (though to my knowledge, I'm more of a sleep-mumbler). But I think falling out of love is a perfect reason to divorce. Can you think of a reason why you should be forced to live with someone you don't care about? What if one cheats on the other? Should they still be married? <<except for property reasons>>: That's just one of the perks. <>: You need to get a life, man. <<the nun bit is more of a joke,a nd its a sign I may need your help more than ever, especially if I ever put any of my depraved ideas into practice>>: I don't think she'll help you. <<and beyond inspiring moral outrage from the evil crew>>: I think its less a moral than thing than a pity thing. We don't want any more of ourselves out there being created by jack-offs like you who think they deserve to be a father. At least we KNOW we're unfit to reproduce. <>: No, you're a LOT depraved. <<I'm still a little afraid of her now and she's not as strong as I remember her.>>: Gee, could that be because you're 24? Ya big wuss. <>: I'll say. <<You still love me anyway, right>>; Wouldn't bet on it. <<you actually have a purity score at 70%>>: THE Christine Morgan? I doubt that. Hell, my purity score is lower than that, and I'm not even married. <<My motehr's an Irish Catholic. They can outrival Jewish mothers in guilt any day of teh year>>: That's nice. I'd like to see them try. <<My father just would use disappointment and that was more effective, as he woudl make me dissapointed in myself>>: This is much more effective. And its not abuse either. Guilt trips are terrible things to do to someone. But with disappointment, the level of the punishment is pretty much up to the child. <<It was funny seeing your moral outrage and Greg's>>: I don't think its as much moral as it is a bad idea to have screwed up kids who hate their parents running around. I mean, look at me. I hate my parents and I'm hell-bent on world domination! <<since my wife will hold my balls>>: Why do you say this? are you that pathetic? Do you have no resolve of your own? <>: great. Psychological abuse is so much better. <<I'm just a little defective>>: You're a lot defective. <<She shoudl ahve been more concerned about my development and speeding me up adulthood so I coudl eb more useful to her insetad of worrying about my happiness and only that>>: Then your mother was flawed. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't worry about your child's happiness, nor should you force them to do things "for their own good". You have to give them choices, you have to make them feel as if they matter. <<What's teh use. You wouldn't understand>>: Think not? I know plenty about psychological warfare between parents and children. <<You probably had a happy childhood, and if you were unhappy it was jsut accepted as normal>>: Only half of my childhood was happy, the part at the beginning and the part at the end. But yes, I accepted it as normal. <<Hell, your smarter than I am>>: Much. <<You probably had bouts with depression as early as five years old, too>>: No. I was 14 before I started getting depressed.

Siryn: <<I'm looking at A's in every class save one>>: Grrrrrr. <<Seems like many people in the fandom are getting married/engaged>>: We refer to them as saps or suckers.

Dubble: <<trying to reply to everything I'd like to would make my head explode>>: Not as hard as you might think. <>: I have a great quote about that coming up in a few weeks. The nice thing is that no matter when I use it, its relevant. <<Is watching figure skating pathetic and/or gay only pathetic if you're a guy, or is it uncool for us girls too?>>: Only if you're a guy. In fact, I was sitting next to some guy in lab today who was talking about how cool men's figure skating was and I thought "you will never know a woman's touch". <<Ever see an up without a down?>>: The point isn't that they go hand in hand, the point is that defining one requires the presence of the other. <<she really liked you>>: FOOL! <>: Of course. <<LA was a bit farther>>: But a much cooler city. <<Are they for real?>>: Of course not.

DPH: <>: Makes sense. You shouldn't be forgiven for something like that. <<Then why did you say I was going to have a heart attack if I ate that food>>: Just pointing it out.

Fire Storm: <>: The feeling of hitting the reload button? Is it a rush for you too? <<No matter how much I would enjoy them>>: Your sex life must be very dull. <>: I spend the same time reading mac news sites. <>: I figured he was just sitting back and laughing at us. <<So these are your OWN costumes>>: Which leads me to wonder if "costume" is really the right word. <>: The latter. Definitely the latter. <>: I think I would have preferred Pistoff. <<Too much for too little, little parking, expensive insurance>>: But other than that, perfect! Hehe. Nothing is worse than not enough parking. <>: Good plan. <<You have GOT to be the best newbie we have had a LONG time>>: I don't really see that many sticking around. Who's new that posts regularly since I got here? <>: I'm not. The rest of my suggestion involves removing all the males from the country. <<Waiting...>>: For? <<With a melon>>: As my friend says, don't knock it till you've tried it. <<All I have is my 40GB external USB>>: I've decided that I don't feel too comfortable with sending my collection to other people. The only people I want knowing what turns me on are hot chicks, and they don't seem to care. The scariest is getting someone else's collection and going through it for stuff you want to keep...you find WEIRD stuff in people's drives. <<3 for dinner is better than 1>>: No meat on my bones. <<Oh, right... sex... of course>>: You know, that thing that's a almost as much fun as eating/sleeping? <<Rack of Cat>>: LOL! <<which is hard with a small budget>>: When I said cheap I didn't mean the price of admission. I meant the other stuff. $45 for a convention isn't bad. Its the $30 to get from the hotel to the aiport that sucks. <<You know you want to>>: Actually, I'm quite certain I don't.

Sevarius Jr: <<have I mentioned that �SJ� is a wonderful nickname for a child?>>: But Josh is a better first name. <<remember Dreamie � I�m always here for you! (He�s evil! All men like him are evil!>>: Yes we are! ;-) <<F*** You Until You DIE>>: Isn't that kind of a long time? <<along with beer and cheap prostitutes>>: Wait a minute...there are cheap prostitutes in Canada?! I knew I missed something while I was there! << Only if you�re a guy>>: Sounds like what I said! <>: There is no handbook. That would imply that they follow some sort of uniform code or logic, which of course we know to be false. <<that�s because I want to do nasty, awful, dirty things to Sasha Cohen>>: I wonder if I should bother looking up a picture of this person. <<What�s a Frenchman good for, outside of surrendering to�everyone?>>: They're good for the tobacco industry. <<giving oral favors to Germans>>: I thought that was Cartman's mother's job. <<you have to respect a guy crazy enough to suggest we build a wall around the Southern border of the U.S., just to keep out the latinos>>: I have to respect that!? I don't think so. Personally, I'd rather put up two walls, one in Canada and one in Mexico. <<If you want me, you know how to find me, I�ll be at the Home Depot>>: There are mexicans at home depot? <<It�s infatuation at best>>: I don't think that's always the case. Even though I've never been in love and don't think that I ever will be, I do think that it exists and that some people feel it. Hell, I can't figure out any other reason my parents are still married! <<I�d rather �live in sin� with a girl for a period of time than get married and then lose half of my crap in a divorce>>: Hell yeah! Just remember that you can only get away with that for about 7 years. <<If she�s preggers, and she�s keeping it, marry her. Outside of children, there isn�t much reason to be hitched>>: Why? What's wrong with being the child of one parent? Why do your parents need to be married for you to feel valid? Is your father any less of a father/man because he didn't waste 2 months salary on a diamond ring? <>: please do! <<since you asked�>>: Thank you! <>: And without any jews in his family, he won't have a clue. <<why the hell would you want to raise kids the same way she did?>>: Because its the only way he knows how. This is how abusive fathers are created. <<I�m with Josh on this one, to an extent>>: Better be, clone! <>: Those are not dependent on each other, are they? <<Thankfully my mother is a saint, otherwise I would be a serial killer right about now>>: It'd be cool to have a real criminal posting here. <<NOTHING good comes from doing anything �for their own good�>>: That depends. There are some things that are. Stuff like taking your kid to a doctor. They hate it and they kick and scream, but that is inarguably for their own good. Its when the parent restricts them or coerces them that it becomes dubious. <<I, the parent, have a view of how I want the child�s live to be, and they will live MY view or else>>: Sounds about like my parents. <<parents do NOT always know best for their child>>: sometimes they get lucky, but not enough to justify the use of the phrase. <<some of what you said didn�t come across as �depraved humor�>>: I agree. I think he only recanted because he saw us ganging up on him. Few things are scarier than three guys posting in red with bad guys as their picture yelling at you ;-) Except maybe a Patrick-Crzy gangrape. On a monday morning. <<Are you sharing insights into your own psychology here?>>: A LOT of them. I think we know a lot about GB now, and none of it is good. <<they should stick their faces into a bucket of stillborns>>: Now THAT is disgusting. <<It would be nice to finally be the object of someone's sexual attention without offering cash for it>>: He might be able to get it at Berkeley, where the MEN give out fake phone numbers.

Lexy: <<As my spacebar is hardly working. I will make this short>>: Nonsense. I've typed a post without w,s, and x before. <<I'm not the only one that is shocked and amazed at the process of birth>>: If I ever have a child...I hope it never meets me. At least until the age of 16 or so. <<Now I _have_ to wonder what daddy looked like>>: Did you not know?

Lain: <<ive arrived... and to prove it, im here>>: I don't believe you. <>: Don't you have classes? <>: CHIKA BOW BOW. <<its colder here than it was in canada when i left>>: It happens occasionally. <<val has to wear a canadian flag all over campus tomorrow to all his classes>>: Maybe he'll get his ass kicked.

Gside: <<I'm with you. Wait, aren't we mostly male here?>>: Which is why I added that extra comment to my post to FS. <<When did the doubt enter your mind?>>: When I couldn't get it to levitate. I'm sending out the signals, but its obviously not receiving them! <<It amounts to the same thing>>: No it doesn't. Scraping implies big heavy guys with brass knuckles coming to beat you up. Borrow implies a piece of paper in the mail that says "pay me". <<Aren't you supposed to be nice to the new guy?>>: When have I ever been nice to anyone? <<You really should have made it wear Canadian flag boxers on his head>>: Now THAT would be funny. <<If anyone calls me that, I'm pretty sure their name would be Bubba>>: Hey if you really want to get some maybe you should commit a crime.

Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.
-John Von Neumann, 1951

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 02:52:32 AM
IP: 64.173.21.63

Imzadi> <<Forget playing. Let's !@#$>>: I'm with you. Wait, aren't we mostly male here?
<<Spam is magic?>>: When did the doubt enter your mind?
<<You're dead?>>: Soon enough.
<<Why scrape when you can borrow?>>: It amounts to the same thing.
<<You can have sloppy seconds>>: Aren't you supposed to be nice to the new guy? You've been there before, so you can wait.

Fire Storm> <<Reminds me of a new comic I am reading. Jack at jack.keenspace.com>>: Been there. Not bad. Good art, and a seemingly repentant Wrath. That, and a character named For No Apparent Reason.
<>: Wimp. 64 links off my toolbar, plus more that I link off those. At least three checks daily (during the day, midnight, and one), compounded by chronic artist lateness.
<>: Good luck finding a free spot there, then.
<<And a feminine itch ad>>: Those have jsut barely more sense in them about scene and music than perfume ads.
<<Possibly, but Odin tastes better>>: But people don't have very high demands on spam's taste.
<>: But are you going for a nice simple German cake first?

Lain> <<val has to wear a canadian flag all over campus tomorrow to all his classes>>: You really should have made it wear Canadian flag boxers on his head.
<<the three scary guys from sicily who call you "baby t">>: If anyone calls me that, I'm pretty sure their name would be Bubba.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:41:30 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

yo guys...

ive arrived... and to prove it, im here!

yeah, i just arrived in arkansas to visit val for a week. yaya! i think weve already made is roommie ill with all the cuddling.. hee hee..

val and his roommie rode in like white knights to save me from the evil 16 hour layover from HELL in little rock. YAY! i was very happy.

funny, though, its colder here than it was in canada when i left... o.O how does THAT work?
oh well..

sj>> re: hockey.. heh.. yer just jealous ;) according to our bet, val has to wear a canadian flag all over campus tomorrow to all his classes.. hee hee ;)

um.. thats about all.
take care you guys.. and remember not to sit next to the three scary guys from sicily who call you "baby t" (or something) for three hours next time you ride the greyhound o.O..

love,
us!
lain and valentine
the Great Southern... Arkansas?
Monday, February 25, 2002 11:51:00 PM
IP: 192.133.129.111

As my spacebar is hardly working. I will make this short.

Jan,DPH,Josh,Mooncat+others- Thanks for your comments! I am glad you guys feel that way about animals as well. To those that commented about babies, thank you also for telling me I'm not the only one that is shocked and amazed at the process of birth.

Siryn- Wait. You..you came to Boston, and you didn't come visit ME?? :( *sobs* HOW COULD YOU???! *sniffles* I'll have to be extra annoying to U at the Gathering;). I know you are busy..but..Email me when you get the chance so I can work some stuff out with you:)

Christine- >>Lexy- LOL, so now's probably not the time to tell you about the absolutely bizarre dream I had the other night in which you somehow talked me into surrogating your hybrid wolf-gargoyle babies (I'm serious; it was WEIRD). For the record, hon, although you're a dear girl and all, should the question ever arise -- no. ; )<<<

...now..how do I respond to a post like that?
*doubles over for a moment**tries to think* Well..well I..
*pauses* I just can't think of a respons to this one. ;) Wolf/garg hybrids you say? hmmm..Now I _have_ to wonder what daddy looked like;) Any Takers ppl?? *LOL*

Ok..my thumb hurts..must..stop *sighs*

Lexy
Monday, February 25, 2002 11:03:43 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Love is in the air.

Winterwolf & Dreamie: Good luck to the both of you. :D I hope things work out well between you both, and that your relationship is a long and prosperous one. I also expect to see wedding pics, and have I mentioned that �SJ� is a wonderful nickname for a child? Anyway, congrats, good luck, and God bless.

And God forbid if the relationship ever dissolves, remember Dreamie � I�m always here for you! (He�s evil! All men like him are evil!!! ;)

Just kidding, of course, because I wish you two the best. ;)

Today�s �F*** You Until You DIE!!!� goes out to Wayne Gretsky. This bastard lives in AMERICA, has an American wife, has American-born kids, and a sh!load of AMERICAN money in his bank account, and what does he do? Help lead on the Canadian hockey team to victory over the Americans. What an ingrate. If hockey (along with beer and cheap prostitutes) wasn�t the only good thing about Canada, I�d be outraged! As it is, I just turn my fury upon him. Wayne, I hope Andrea Yates baby-sits your children.

Dubble: <<SJ/Josh>...Is watching figure skating pathetic and/or gay only pathetic if you're a guy, or is it uncool for us girls too? ;) Because I love watching it. I've been once or twice, and I'm not too bad, all things considered.>> Only if you�re a guy. Wait, let me amend that � only if you�re a hetero male. If you�re a woman, and you like figure skating, than that�s perfectly fine, because hey, you�re pretty much expected to (I think it�s in the women�s handbook or something). If you�re a gay guy, and you like figure skating�.well, I mean, I understand that there are quite a few of �your people� who perform in the �sport�, but I still say, refrain! You�re perpetuating a stereotype.
If you�re a straight male watching it, you may have some issues. Or maybe you�re like me. I never watched the actual competition, but I did watch some of the�.interviews. But that�s because I want to do nasty, awful, dirty things to Sasha Cohen.

GB: <> At least you admit it. What�s a Frenchman good for, outside of surrendering to�everyone? Nothing, unless you count giving oral favors to Germans. <<He strikes me as a zealous hypocrite, a different kind of evil than Clinton.>> Still, you have to respect a guy crazy enough to suggest we build a wall around the Southern border of the U.S., just to keep out the latinos. What have they ever done? They didn�t fly a plane into our buildings. As Carlos Mencia would say, �All this time, you were looking for the brown guy, but you were looking for the wrong brown guy. If you want me, you know how to find me, I�ll be at the Home Depot.� <<I just find the high divorce rate in the US disturbing. I can understand extreme situations where teh wife needs to get away from an abusive husband, esepcially when children are endangered, but soemtimes it seems that marraiges end, because the passion is gone or he's boring, or the wife snores, or they fell out of love.>> No one gets married for love anymore. Rather, they may get married under the presumption of what they think is love, but it�s not that. It�s infatuation at best. <<Granted, a lot of peopel get married without thinking it through and really knowing the other person.>> Exactly. I�d rather �live in sin� with a girl for a period of time than get married and then lose half of my crap in a divorce. <> I feel sort of the same way, but without the religious ties to the act. My personal opinion? If she�s preggers, and she�s keeping it, marry her. Outside of children, there isn�t much reason to be hitched. <<I'm sexually shizophrenic and I think very highly of your wisdom.>> There is so much wrong with that sentence, and to whom it was directed to, that I don�t know where to begin. I could go off on a rant about the sexual repression created by organized religion. <> Corporal punishment has got a bad rap, I think. <<If SJ showed the same reaction, I could rejoice in moral condemnation from the trio of evil.>> Well, since you asked�<<I just hope that I can use guilt as effectively as my mother did, so I don't have to use physical punishment. If guilt is really strong, I'll let them punish themselves. Their imaginations would be better at that.>> Please tell me that you WON�T do that. I can not even begin to describe how royally messed up you will make a kid by laying a guilt trip upon them. By your own admission, you don�t get along with your mother, so why the hell would you want to raise kids the same way she did? <> I�m with Josh on this one, to an extent (about the happiness). Dude, I was raised in an environment where my happiness didn�t mean a whole lot. Where MY father decided it was his duty to decide what should make me happy. The result? I can�t stand him, AND I�m a bit screwed up. Thankfully my mother is a saint, otherwise I would be a serial killer right about now. Whenever you are referring to someone else, especially a child, and you use the phrase �for his / her own good�, you�re in deep, dark waters. It�s my opinion & experience that NOTHING good comes from doing anything �for their own good�. Translation of that phrase � �I, the parent, have a view of how I want the child�s live to be, and they will live MY view or else.� Believe it or not, parents do NOT always know best for their child. Seriously, you need to take a step back and reconsider some of your views on child-rearing. For me, it�s easy�.I have no real plans to raise a kid, because I KNOW I will probably just do the job poorly. But if you want a child one day with your wife, whoever she may be, I really think you need to put more thought into it. <<Besides, she's used to my depraved humor>> Dude, some of what you said didn�t come across as �depraved humor�. <<You wouldn't understand. You probably had a happy childhood, and if you were unhappy it was jsut accepted as normal. Hell, your smarter than I am. You probably had bouts with depression as early as five years old, too.>> Can I just say that this is taking a rather disturbing turn? Are you sharing insights into your own psychology here? <<

GB: <<The Tolkien fanatics who want to burn Peter Jackson alive for putting wings on his Balrog (even though they are there in the book), cutting Tom Bombadil from the movie (and good riddance), casting Liv Tyler as Arwen, cutting all the songs from the movie, giving Aragorn more of a personality, basically the slightest change to the littlest detail. You should look at some of these Tolkien message boards, they're more rabid than some people here. SJ should post his movie review at one of them, it'd piss off the purists.>> NOTHING I hate more than GEEKS who take themselves too seriously. It�s a friggin� book. Yes, it�s considered one of the finest pieces of fiction ever written, and with good reason, but who gives a damn if the movie isn�t PERFECT? It�s close enough, and the important thing is it got made and it doesn�t suck. Everything else is gravy. The movie is fantastic, and if they don�t like it, they should stick their faces into a bucket of stillborns for all I care.
[BTW, congrats go out to Pete Jackson & crew for picking up several British Academy Awards, including best pic for LOTR & best director for Jackson!]

Speaking of LOTR, a quick reminder � a 3 � minute preview of The Two Towers will be added to the FOTR on Mar. 22nd. Be there!

Interviewer: If you were given the chance to put one person in prison, who would it be?
Jim Norton: It would have to be myself. It would be nice to finally be the object of someone's sexual attention without offering cash for it.

Sevarius "Shenanigans & Tomfoolery!" Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Monday, February 25, 2002 11:02:14 PM
IP: 66.44.66.2

Warpmind: <Good thing I hit "Reload" before posting>
I know the feeling.

I refrain from fulfilling MOST of the darker thoughts...
No matter how much I would enjoy them!
<*Mumbles something about catching up with the rest of the faculty.*>
Reminds me of a new comic I am reading. Jack at jack.keenspace.com
Dark. Weird. Cool!

Hi, I am Fire Storm, and I am a Comic-a-holic.
I spend an average of 30 minutes a day just looking at comics on-line.
At first it was just Sluggy, then Megatokyo, and then, well, things just went downhill from there.
I have tried to stop, or at least cut back, but... things just feel WRONG not looking at User Friendly, no matter how un-funny it is now!

Patrick: <Just in case you think I've not noticed the continuing banter>
I was wondering when you would say something!
<I've always aquired my own attire and have yet to "borrow" anything>
So these are your OWN costumes?
<It's one thing to have a weird costume... it's another to just be plain weird.>
True. I forget which I am...

Jan: <Another meth lab bit the dust last week � but not before exploding and killing the cooker>
That's, what, 6 in the past 5-6 months?
You know, reading about idiots like that make my day!
<Which Gathering are you considering hosting?>
2004, Detroit area.
As for the travel to and from the airport, that is one of the first things we talked about. The problem will be making transportation available (Cabs are not too common in the area. We were thinking of a shuttle bus), while still making everything affordable. Detroit is made for LARGE conventions, and the smaller ones have a problem finding room AND hotel space.
But I think we have figured it out.

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr: <As the votes went in selecting the new Editor for Avalon Mists, I won>
Good. I am glad it was you.

Christine: 
That may be, but your little story made me think VERY differently about that show!
Either way, I think it was written pretty well.

Gside: <Is there any way you could scrape together enough to try and buy it off him yourselves?>
Possibly, but we have no desire to stay in that house. Too much for too little, little parking, expensive insurance...
On top of that, I just go 5 miles and I can get the same house in a better neighborhood for 50K less.
<A bit, but the French bit's been used before in some disco song.>
And a feminine itch ad.
<You'd think they'd have more Mimir laying around>
Possibly, but Odin tastes better.
<At the same time? Are we going to then sell a CR cooking video?>
Definitely. I have some new recipes I am just DIEING to try out!
<No, but I'm sure Mike will be willing to lend you some special sauce>
Jack in the Box. Their special sauce IS called Jack Sauce.

Quin: <My most humblist thanks through all those years and many more to come!>
You have GOT to be the best newbie we have had in a LONG time!

Imzadi: <Forget playing. Let's !@#$ ;-)>
I thought you wern't THAT way!
<Then you can rule over jack>
I am Jack's colon.
I get cancer.
I kill Jack
<Spam is magic?!>
Of course! That's the only reason people EAT it!
<We have admins?! Where!?>
They hide, lurking in the shadows.
Waiting...
Lurking...
<You should try>
With a melon?
<Actually, that might work. Would you like to send me a 40-60 gig drive? I'll send it back, of course. Loaded>
All I have is my 40GB external USB.
<don't use them. Math majors never pick up a machine. It's all "abstract", which is to say that its as useless as an English degree>
But they have the best job security in this building!
<They'll have to fight me and SJ first>
3 for dinner is better than 1!
<So did that make the sex better or worse?>
Sex? Oh, right... sex... of course.
<NOOOO!>
Rack of Cat!
<Fortunately, its a relatively small barely-international convention. So it should present no problem. Anyway, all the more reason to keep things cheap>
But people also want the big stars, which is hard with a small budget.

Read it. You know you want to.
It calls you. You YERN for it. It is forbidden. And that makes it better.
Fire Storm
Monday, February 25, 2002 09:12:22 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Green Baron - <Under control it can cause lots of damage. Letting it lose after you keep it under control for too long can be even worse.> My body isn't strong enough to work all the anger out of system, even before I had my current back problems.

GXB - <Yes you can lie to your dad and worship your God> No, I can't. I can't ask for forgiveness of a sin that I plan on committing again and again. Perhaps, Green Baron or some one else can explain to you why I can't ask for forgiveness of a sin that I plan on committing again and again.

Jan - Ok, I know which email account to be expecting it to be arriving it.

When/if I finally shut down my old yahoo account, I will alert everybody.

Imzadi - <Who says I do?> Then why did you say I was going to have a heart attack if I ate that food?

Jaden - <That's true but I change my e-mail address every now and again. I only plan to have this one for another year so it works out.> I prefer to change email addresses about twice as often as Halley's Comet comes around.

I have found email in that yahoo account dating back to 1999 and before. Who says I don't archive?
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, February 25, 2002 06:53:36 PM
IP: 204.94.193.10

I've come to the conclusion that trying to reply to everything I'd like to would make my head explode...;)

Heh..Moment of silence for Chuck Jones...

Niahmgold:<<Ooh, goody, Dubble's back :)>> Awww...Thankyou! *feels loved* ^_^ ;)

Greg B:<<Welcome back!>> Thank you! <> I have indeed! Looks good! Yours, JEBs and Winterwolf's work...right? O_o

Is it too late to jump into the good/evil debate? It's a one I get into quite abit, since my main roleplay character/online persona is hopelessly 'good'.

On second thoughts, I'd rather not, I find debating online really hard. It seems to be harder for me to express my ideas in type. *L*

Warpmind: I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather. :/

Gside/Shadowrider:<<RE: Deadly Force>> Heh, that was the first episode of Gargoyles I saw. I sort of found the S8 chatroom first, then got into the series.

Oh, and thanks for the welcomes, everyone! ^_^

SJ/Josh>...Is watching figure skating pathetic and/or gay only pathetic if you're a guy, or is it uncool for us girls too? ;) Because I love watching it. I've been once or twice, and I'm not too bad, all things considered.

Robby:<<What's evil anyhow? Without evil there could be no good so it must be good to be evil sometime..."
-Satan, Southpark the movie>> Much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree. It's so true. Ever see an up without a down?

Josh:<<Welcome back.>>Thank you! <<Sorry about that ;-)>> Nah, she really liked you. ;) <<Rarely have I encountered an actual good reason for not posting. Hell, I post every day and I'm supposed to be a busy engineering student.>> I didn't say it was a GOOD reason...*cough*lazy*cough* ;)
<<That's a long trip for you.>> LA was a bit farther. It's worth it, though.

Ravyn:<<Thank you! It's good to see you around again too. :)>> Ye welcome! and thank you too. ^_^

Oooh, and welcome to Ethan!

Dreamie and Winterwolf: AWww....congratulations!! ^_^

Jan:<<Welcome back and I hope to see more of your postings =)>> Thankyou. And I'll do my best. ;) <<Enron charity>> O_o *LOL!*....Are they for real? o_O

Stephen: Hey, congrats on the Av Mists editorship!

Quin: You're in New Zealand?! Awesome! Whereabouts?

Um. I think thats it. I prolly missed alot but it's almost eleven and I've not done all my homework yet. Sooo sleepy. no, it's not that I'm a wuss, it's that I didn't sleep much last night. ;)
TTFN!
Dubble
Monday, February 25, 2002 05:50:30 PM
IP: 195.92.67.65

Hey guys..thanks for everyone being optomistc for me. <:) I appreciate the kind words. Thankyou. (even though its not just me running the convention, a whole bunch of people, who appreciate your kind words just as much as I do)

well..its over..I'm looking at A's in every class save one..(hopefully a B..I HOPE..) so I'm hoping to make the Dean's list if not 4.0 territory..

I'm in Boston, but only until tomorrow (it was my little sister's birthday, so I grabbed a plane, hopped down, and said hi)

Dreamie and Winterwolf> Congrats! Seems like many people in the fandom are getting married/engaged. ^_^;;

Congrats Stephen!

Ummm I wish I had more valid stuff to say. I'm going to have the website updated by Thursday. (can't really do it in Boston) I finally got some sleep too! Yay!

okay..enough out of me. <:) sorry for being a bit selfish there. ^_^;;
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Monday, February 25, 2002 03:18:35 PM
IP: 205.188.197.59

Spacebabie> <<Your dissing the French? I thought you were from Louisianna.>> I am, and my grandmotehr is from old French aristocratic blood, but they still stink. Attila was much nastier to the French. Besides, I am just being a good American.

DPH> <<Simple, suppose some alien species decided to colonize our moon, how would you feel about that? I would strongly object because we have already claimed. That goes for the rest of our Solar System. Why? So we can establish defenses for ourselves.>> They beat us to it, so they are probably more powerful, and if a threat, we should kiss their rears, until we learn their weaknesses, in case tehy do try and move in on Earth. They could teach us really cool technology and other stuff that would benefit us.

<> Under control it can cause lots of damage. Letting it lose after you keep it under control for too long can be even worse. I have horrible gas and probably its because of all teh bitter feelinsg I've held in, instead of evaluarting them and realizing how little I'm accomplishing.

Patrick Toman> I suspect you can make an infamous one, maybe Dilbert Slash ;) On secodn that, that is mildly depraved.

Jan> I love the charity idea. It is very amusing.

I guess city cops are used to much nastier stuff than Mayberry with Meth labs.

<<But, one thing� selfishness is not an instinct. It�s a behavior. There is a difference.>> True, though it wa sthe closest word I could describe to it. I guess I have that anti-humanist streek running too deep.

<<There are certain things that I am selfish about but for the most part, I try very hard to be an unselfish person. You�re right though; pride is a big no-no in the Christian belief. >> All of us are imperfect. Trying and continuing to try are the best we can do soemtimes. Besides, anyone who is too selfless can fall into pride so soemtimes you just can't win.

<> Maybe, though I don't see how it insulted you. He strikes me as a zealous hypocrite, a different kind of evil than Clinton. He basically follows the know nothing party of the 19th century under stuff liek Immigration, but he's an Irish Catholci and the Know-Nothing Party was very against Irsih immigrants and inspired all sorts of violence against Irish Catholics in the US. He is also too damn cozy with labor Unions, yet is supposed to be a conservative icon. Please don't tell me you like him.

Shadowrider> <<Actually, I have nothing particular agaist divorce, I eventually consider it a personal right on which there should be no discussion, but I personally don't like to go back on my steps, or to undo something I did. Well...since I don't think I am ever going to get a religious marriage, the problem is merely academic, anyway.>> Somehow I doubt you'd have a religious wedding. I just find the high divorce rate in the US disturbing. I can understand extreme situations where teh wife needs to get away from an abusive husband, esepcially when children are endangered, but soemtimes it seems that marraiges end, because the passion is gone or he's boring, or the wife snores, or they fell out of love. Granted, a lot of peopel get married without thinking it through and really knowing the other person. Granted, I have strong religious views about it, but I begin to see littel use for teh whole instition of marriage outside of religion, except for property reasons. I would rather my wife kill me than divorce me.

<<But it IS the key of the topic...>> Of course.

Sobotka> Well, Congratulations. The torch has been passed. As much as I love Christine, Av Mists is supposed to have rotating editors, so I'm glad you got picked.

Christine> <<sweetie, and I mean this as kindly as possible, but when you're saying things like this: "my children will know discipline, even if I have to hire a really strict nun as their nanny," you're sure not going to want my input on childrearing.>> Well, the nun bit is more of a joke,a nd its a sign I may need your help more than ever, especially if I ever put any of my depraved ideas into practice and beyond inspiring moral outrage from the evil crew :)

<<Any more than you're really going to want my marital-bed advice.>> Actually, I would. I'm sexually shizophrenic and I think very highly of your wisdom. I knwo I'm a bit depraved, though I could never harm anyone with extreme justification. I doubt I'd eb any godo at corporal punishment, though atht wasn't really neeed on me. I still cringed when my mother was angry though I know she would neevr hit me except when I really deserved it. I'm still a little afraid of her now and she's not as strong as I remember her.

<<In fact, sometimes lately your posts have kinda weirded me out ; )>> I think I'm losing my edge on sanity. I need help. You still love me anyway, right :)

<> I need diversity of views. I've always valued your advice and wisdom, especially on stuff where you knwo more than me, even though accoridng to Kenna you actually have a purity score at 70% :)

Jaden> <<Yeah Germany is cold. When do you leave?>> August of 2003, unless I extend.

<<The winters do get cold from what I hear nothing like Germany or Korea. It really is hard choosing your next post isn't it? >> Only because I can';t get pinpoint for my favorite assignments. I met the placement NCO for my MOS so it helps a lot. He recommended Leonardwood as a TDA assignment they have trouble filling.

Imzadi> <<You will be the worst father. I pity your children. I can't believe you consider yourself to be a good person. As someone who was raised jewish, guilt is a TERRIBLE thing to do to a child.>> My motehr's an Irish Catholic. They can outrival Jewish mothers in guilt any day of teh year. Maybe you're right about excessive guilt. My mothr and I have a weird relationship with her. My father just would use disappointment and that was more effective, as he woudl make me dissapointed in myself. And when did I ever say I was a good person?

<<No you don't get it. You aren't the religion you're born into. You're the religion you believe in.>> That's why I said "technically Catholic", as in he was christened and probably Confirmed. In the same light I see Hillary Clinton as "technically Methodist".

<<First of all, its salt peter, and second of all, you are awful. I hope I never meet your kid, because he's gonna be one f*cked up little twerp.>> He'd be thatr way regardless. Besides, I doubt I woudl actually do that to him. It was funny seeing your moral outrage and Greg's. If SJ showed the same reaction, I could rejoice in moral condemnation from the trio of evil. Also, my wife would just "very funny" if I suggested that and since my wife will hold my balls, except when it comes to the budget, it woudln't actually happen. my kid will probably have my weird dry, morbid, and depraved sense of humor, so yeah he'll be screwed up, but in an amusing way.

<<Maybe she'll tell you not to abuse your child too. Hell, I'll call social services myself.>> I could neevr abuse my kid, physically. I doubt I'd be capable of more than spanking, and I doubt I could ever spank a daughter. As for social services, I don't see them doing crap, unless I homeschooled my kid, or tried to adopt a child who wasn't white. Then the legion of social workers would riase up in arms.
<< how can you not care!? How f*cked up are you that you don't care about your child's happiness? Who the hell are you to decide what's best for your child?>> My mother only cared aboyt my happiness. She gave me no direction. No goals. I was lost. All she cared about was my happiness and she was convinced she knew how to make me happy. She wnated me to major in Liberal Arts instead of Business because I loved history and i was picking Business for the money. She made such a fret, because I had an unhappy childhood. Guess what, some kids are unhappy even at four years of age. It wasn't her fault. I'm just a little defective. She shoudl ahve been more concerned about my development and speeding me up adulthood so I coudl eb more useful to her insetad of worrying about my happiness and only that. What's teh use. You wouldn't understand. You probably had a happy childhood, and if you were unhappy it was jsut accepted as normal. Hell, your smarter than I am. You probably had bouts with depression as early as five years old, too.

<<That doesn't mean that people who are not wealthy and/or stupid will make better parents. >> I agree with you. It was more an observation. The guy played by Craig T. Nelson in the Devil's Advocate is the perfect example of a rich man who makes a shitty parent, though hopefully such peopel are very rare.

Greg X> <<Yeah, being an anti-semitic hate-monger is so much better than cheating on your wife.>> I didn't say that. But being an anti-semitic Union loving jingoistic hatemongering and cheating on your wife is worse.

<<Well, remember the Mormons have the right religion, they get into Heaven. Everyone else goes to Hell. Which I guess would be a good thing, who'd want to live among thousands of Mormons.>> If they're like the ones in our fandom, taht would be cool.

<<I'm with Josh on this... surprise, surprise. This is truly disgusting.>> Coming from you, that is amusing, especially since I'm not being serious.

<<My mother is a Catholic and was divorced twice. I think divorce is a good thing, Hell I think it's a great thing. Why should she have stayed married to my father, the man was a very abusive to all of us.>> But she doesn't practice. Your father is more the exception when divorce is a good idea, but I woudl still rather my wife kill me than divorce me. My mother never divorced though she had godo reason (except she should have known my father long enough to know taht he was an alchoholic), then my father leaves because the fun ran out. He gets remarried, though I think tehre are valid ground to nullify teh marriage and I wish my parents would anul it. They waived ceratin requirements due to a rogue priest and on thsoe grounds alone it is not valid, plus my mother didn't know about my father's alchoholism.

<> She does and she'll know I'm not being serious. Besides, she's used to my depraved humor, plus if I really was that much of a bastard, I'd want her to know that about me, before any big decisions were made.

<<Nah, he was evil before coming out of prison. He wrote Mein Kampf while in there... very badly written book. >> I'd say he begin hsi evil path when his mother dies and he blames the Jewish doctor and all Jews. That is what started his dark path. His evil was just not as easily ampliifed until he had power.

Actually, I'm thinking about soem of my actions, and while it may be funny to see youa nd Josh feel some moral outrage, I do feel guilty about testing you two.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Monday, February 25, 2002 02:54:16 PM
IP: 140.156.11.59

Jan:> I copied the "ENRON Charity" portion of your post and forwarded it to some of my buds. Hope you don't mind :)

Josh:> How much time do you spend typing your posts in the CR?

Mooncat:<<GARGOYLE CEL on eBay>> - well you can still "buy it now" for $275

Christine:> "Smut! Give me smut and nothing but! A dirty novel I can't shut, If it's uncut, and unsubt--le." - Tom Lehrer

Leo
Yorktown, VA, USA
Monday, February 25, 2002 10:26:22 AM
IP: 172.162.86.140

JOSH> <> Nah, he was evil before coming out of prison. He wrote Mein Kampf while in there... very badly written book. <<Who cares if they do?>> The Tolkien fanatics who want to burn Peter Jackson alive for putting wings on his Balrog (even though they are there in the book), cutting Tom Bombadil from the movie (and good riddance), casting Liv Tyler as Arwen, cutting all the songs from the movie, giving Aragorn more of a personality, basically the slightest change to the littlest detail. You should look at some of these Tolkien message boards, they're more rabid than some people here. SJ should post his movie review at one of them, it'd piss off the purists. <<Hell is Mexico?>> I guess it depends on what part of Mexico you're in. <<You will be the worst father>> I completely agree. <<First of all, its salt peter, and second of all, you are awful. I hope I never meet your kid, because he's gonna be one f*cked up little twerp>> I hope his kid learns soon not to eat at home. <<how can you not care!? How f*cked up are you that you don't care about your child's happiness? Who the hell are you to decide what's best for your child?>> He's the Green Baron of course. I hope his woman reads this board. <<Maybe she'll tell you not to abuse your child too. Hell, I'll call social services myself.>> I think I would also. <<For someone who has no clue how to raise a kid, you sure have a lot of advice for fathers.>> Just like most Catholic priests.

GB> <<Now, Buchanan for all his faults has never cheated on his wife, so that's a relief>> Yeah, being an anti-semitic hate-monger is so much better than cheating on your wife. <<Sounds similar to Mormon beliefs.>> Well, remember the Mormons have the right religion, they get into Heaven. Everyone else goes to Hell. Which I guess would be a good thing, who'd want to live among thousands of Mormons. Remember what happened when Satan asked God to let Saddam Hussein in? <> I'm with Josh on this... surprise, surprise. This is truly disgusting. <<Your views on divorce>> My mother is a Catholic and was divorced twice. I think divorce is a good thing, Hell I think it's a great thing. Why should she have stayed married to my father, the man was a very abusive to all of us.

DPH> Yes you can lie to your dad and worship your God. Either way you need to learn to stand up to him. You need to smack him in the face and say "That's enough of your shit, you stupid BITCH!" <<Hmm. Your whole argument boils down to how advanced the Vorlon technology really is compared to Federation technology.>> A lot more advanced, that's for damn sure. The Vorlons are among the First Ones. They've been in space for BILLIONS of years. You've seen their tech. <> You're still wrong <<Are you saying that if the Vorlons (or Shadows) were to fight the Borg, that the Vorlons (or Shadows) would win?>> Yes! Easily. The Shadows and Vorlons are much older than the Borg, their tech much more advanced, and if their standard weapons (already extremely powerful) eventually couldn't destroy their ships (thanks to the Borg's ability to adapt), then they could just bring in their Planet Killers to do the job. One Shadow Planet Killer alone could destroy the entire Borg fleet.

JAN> <> Thank you. That's what I'm going for. <> There is a reason the KKK and the neo-Nazis like this guy.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, February 25, 2002 09:53:38 AM
IP: 167.206.248.11

Patrick> I agree with you - however, this was definitely a case of over reacation and has caused these older boys a lot of grief in addition to the added expense to their parents for the bond money. Instead of forking out $500, the parents had to come up with $3,500 for the bond. One boy could very well loose a scholarship because of the arrest. The officer involved is well known for his "attitude" and is a jerk deluxe. If the officer had taken the time to just investigate the situation, he would have found out that there was no need for such a severe complaint. He went overboard - as usual. Sure, investigate and find out what was really going on - but once you find out that it's nothing - don't exaggerate on your probable cause just to get these guys into more trouble than they deserve.
Even his own dept. was appalled at his actions and abuse of power in this situation.

Shadowrider> like Josh said.. ESL = English Second Language. Sorry, it was "teacher talk" coming out in my again. hehe

DPH> I checked and the email address that I have for you is the yahoo one. I'll get an email sent to you as soon as I can. :)

Josh> <<inlaws>> yea, you have that right! eesh... I'm taking the kids out to see the Miller side of the family this next weekend. joy joy

argh.. gotta' go to work.
Jan
Monday, February 25, 2002 07:45:55 AM
IP: 12.110.236.16

Jan > Hmm... you're entitled to your opinion, but me... I think I'd much rather see the police "overreact" to an incident like that than just brush it off and walk away. I'm sure no police offier out there wants to catch a ton of crap later for NOT having stepped in when a situation that seemed relatively benigh at the time escalates into something tragic. It's been known to happen before, after all... a certain case in Milwaukee where two helpful officers escorted a "confused" young man back to Jeffery Dahmer's apartment comes to mind for starters. And even if the principle actors are "just kids" engaging in what appears to be bizarre horseplay... IMO, that's still no excuse to just walk away. There's plenty of incidents both here in the US and overseas where young kids have committed violent acts against other young kids, and in my mind it's better to be safe than sorry.

Just my two cents on it.
Patrick Toman
Monday, February 25, 2002 07:13:38 AM
IP: 66.72.201.37

Today I had to be up at the buttcrack of dawn (alright, it was 11:15, but its sunday!) to log into work. I had to switch to an early shift because I met with my lab group tonight to study for our transportation midterm...that's gonna be scary, I think. I just hope I do better than I did on structures. The study group was useful, we solved a couple problems that the prof suggested we'd be quizzed on.

I watched Cecil B. Demented tonight. That is a F*CKED UP movie. But funny as all hell.

Oh, and in case anyone cares, I've been posting for a year as of Friday. Or something. Anyway, I thought that was interesting.

replies

Christine: <<Not many cats are that eager, though, to use something squirmy and noisy for a pillow>>: You'd be surprised how often my cats try to sleep on my father, who reacts by picking them up and placing them elsewhere. Yet they keep trying. <<arrogant cat even by cat standards>>: That's kind of scary. <<if my parents won't let me see my boyfriend, I'll get pregnant so they'll _have_ to>>: You know, this almost makes me wonder if my ex had this in mind. I know her parents didn't like me, for whatever reason. Most parents love me, but hers are psychopaths. Anyway, bad plan. The boy will probably run. <>: I'm sure they're living in a trailer somewhere. <<hybrid wolf-gargoyle babies>>: Wait, were they Lexy's babies or her experiments? And why you?! <<should the question ever arise>>: Oh, and I was just gonna ask you that too! <<threaten to whap her fanny with a spatula>>: Wouldn't a hand be more effective? <<there'll be no damn escape>>: And Becca will HAVE to have it! <<you're sure not going to want my input on childrearing>>: Yeah, he's a weird one. I think he'd like his child to behave like Becca...but he's not gonna get that treating him/her the way he thinks he can. <<sometimes lately your posts have kinda weirded me out>>: Me too.

Mooncat: <<Good soundtrack, but definately a "B" quality movie and maybe not worth night prices>>: I agree. Sadly, I paid them anyway. <<played her role wonderfully>>: I disagree. I thought she was terribly cast and her accent was beyond cheesy/stupid. <>: My fangs are so much better. <<they pretty much disregarded the book and the only similarities to the story it's based on is that the characters have the same names, and Alliyah turned vampires into charcoal briquettes. Everything else was ripped, warped and mutilated into... camp>>: I've read Lestat, but I should read QotD too. And the rest. I'll add them to my ever-increasing list. <<Babies consume a lot more of all of this than cats ever will>>: And you have to send them to college! <<Can't do that with children>>: Well, you can. But someone will call social services. <<let me stay at home and ALL I had to do was raise the kids, then sure, kids would be great and I'd love to raise some if finances were not a worry>>: Freeloader! <<but they are *d*mned* expensive. I wouldn't even consider raising one without a LOT of money set aside just for that, and at least one full time mate to share the work load and financial support>>: I did an estimate of how much it costs to raise me, and since I wouldn't want a child I couldn't give at least the same to, I figured out that I'd rather just work to feed and clothe myself. I mean, think of all the cool cars or computers I could buy! And those will be a lot more fun for me.

Green Baron: <<Buchanan for all his faults has never cheated on his wife, so that's a relief.>>: He's also a closet member of the KKK. <<I just hope that I can use guilt as effectively as my mother did, so I don't have to use physical punishment. If guilt is really strong, I'll let them punish themselves. Their imaginations would be better at that>>: You will be the worst father. I pity your children. I can't believe you consider yourself to be a good person. As someone who was raised jewish, guilt is a TERRIBLE thing to do to a child. <>: The IRS would disagree. <<Hitler was raised Austrian so he was technically Catholic>>: No you don't get it. You aren't the religion you're born into. You're the religion you believe in. <<What would you expect from Cartman?>>: I'd expect hell to be Berkeley. <<SJ woudl neevr care about dying of a heart attack>>: Who said I cared? I was just pointing it out. <<I'm not castrating my yet-to-even be conceived son, just putting a little soft Peter in his diet>>: First of all, its salt peter, and second of all, you are awful. I hope I never meet your kid, because he's gonna be one f*cked up little twerp. <>: how can you not care!? How f*cked up are you that you don't care about your child's happiness? Who the hell are you to decide what's best for your child? <<I'll ahve to ask you for advice on childrearing>>: Maybe she'll tell you not to abuse your child too. Hell, I'll call social services myself. <<Your dad has to realize you're 24>>: For someone who has no clue how to raise a kid, you sure have a lot of advice for fathers. <<Why are you going to sleep at 2am?>>: What's wrong with 2AM? I rarely sleep on the weekends before 2AM. <<saving some of that welfare is punishable>>: That sound so...fitting, given our government. <>: That doesn't mean that people who are not wealthy and/or stupid will make better parents.

Spacebabie: <<I�m finished with one of my essays>>: Congrats. I finished a 6 page lab write up yesterday, and it was a devil. Had to completely comment my code so its readable for the graders. <<My brother is changing>>: Is his voice dropping and he's getting hair in funny places? <<it begins with a G>>: Groin? <<Even working in an retirment home, spong bathing the elderly?>>: I'd have the offer, but that doesn't mean I'd take the job. <<It�s officialy called a bell curve>>: No, that's just one type of distribution. Curves can follow any shape, especially in school. In fact, schools rarely use bell curves for grading. <<Its called �I don�t have to deal with pointless labs and math�>>: How is that real? <<Wanna Bet?>>: Yes. Now how are you gonna prove this wrong? <>: Ah, so you slap your pussy instead...

DPH: <<Listing your email address here will bring junk email to your new account>>: Hence my clever deletion. <>: Who says I do?

Fire Storm: <<The CR that plays together, stays together!>>: Forget playing. Let's !@#$ ;-) <>: Then you can rule over jack. <>: Spam is magic?! <<Won't stop him from trying>>: Probably not. <>: We have admins?! Where!? <<if I posted graphic porn in here>>: You should try. <<Give it all to me>>: Actually, that might work. Would you like to send me a 40-60 gig drive? I'll send it back, of course. Loaded. <>: They don't use them. Math majors never pick up a machine. It's all "abstract", which is to say that its as useless as an English degree. <<Then the CR shall claim her!>>: They'll have to fight me and SJ first. <<How was I supposed to know she was a senators daughter>>: So did that make the sex better or worse? <<Cook the cats!>>: NOOOO! <<Everyone tries. But most of us have never run a major international convention before>>: Fortunately, its a relatively small barely-international convention. So it should present no problem. Anyway, all the more reason to keep things cheap. <<Velma Dinkley Gets Caught>>: I do NOT want to know.

Warpmind: <>: Threatening me won't get it to you any faster. <<Hey, I thought I got enough of that in LA and Canada>>: I'm jealous. I want someone to rub my head...uh...nevermind

Patrick: <<I'm just not sure if I've written mine yet, or if it's still to come>>: No pun intended. <<It's one thing to have a weird costume... it's another to just be plain weird>>: I think in LA those are often the same things. <<that the audible crack I heard late last night was the collective sound of many a Gargoyle fanboy's heart breaking>>: LOL! I think it was probably just us hitting our heads on the walls! <<In Japan, Mr. Bond, men come first. Women come second>>: How is that different from anywhere else?

Jan: <<Anyone disgusting enough to abuse children, the elderly and animals>>: I dunno, sometimes in-laws get REALLY annoying ;-) <<Yeah, it is two rows of diamonds and the ring goes into a slight �V� shape. I wanted something a bit different but also wanted it to lay flat � not have a mounting on it>>: You raise an excellent point. From now on I will treat myself to something on V-day. Just to remind myself how narcissistic I am. <<I�m dreading it so much this year that I�m actually considering driving my own car � 1000+ miles for me>>: Ugh no thanks! I'd drive 5-600 miles, but that's it. <<His lungs were burned from the flash fire that he apparently inhaled>>: OUCH! I'm so glad I'm not into drugs. <<These city cops give law enforcement a bad name and rep>>: When you're ffrom the city, you have to watch everything. <<Enron executives in our very own country are living at or just below the seven-figure salary level>>: LOL!

Shadowrider: <<One thousand years of happiness>>: They're not gonna live that long. <<Then why did they produce it in first instance?>>: Because they used to be cool. Now they suck. <<but why "Upgrade"?>>: I have NO idea. <<ESL?>>: Stands for "English as a Second Language". <<Interesting...I must take note of it.>>: don't bother. If you ever hear the word, that means you should run away from whoever said it.

Stephen: <>: I definitely agree. <<learning administraition>>: Does that include learning to spell? <>: But they make it up, right? With money. <>: You're the new editor of AvMists? Best of luck.

Gside: <>: You're dead? <<The shock>>: Maybe I'll just keep a journal and post that...nah, that wouldn't be appropriate. <<Put him in boxes often?>>: Every day. Usually with a radioactive isotope. <<Is there any way you could scrape together enough to try and buy it off him yourselves?>>: Scrape? Why scrape when you can borrow? <<At the same time?>>: I'd rather not. You can have sloppy seconds.

See you all tomorrow.

Pinky, you have the reasoning skills of a burlap sack.
-The Brain, "Pinky and the Brain"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, February 25, 2002 02:58:03 AM
IP: 64.173.21.63

over the years i have come to be verry fond of this site and all the stories surrounding it,most expectualy of the time dancer series that has taken up significant space on my hard drive.
I have done several stories on Brooklen and Lex throughout the years and would like to thank you for your insperation and the effort to keep going when things get tough. My most humblist thanks through all those years and many more to come!
Quin - [Quintaglio@hotmail.com]
New ZealandMonday, February 25, 2002 01:43:09 AM
IP: 203.109.252.15

Imzadi> <<You're gonna die of a heart attack>>: I would too, if cancer hadn't gotten first dibs.
<<Who cares if they do?>>: The balrogs. And the fanboys.
<<Yuk yuk>>: Yeah, yeah, but it is true.
<<My memory of your mp3 collection lasts about 0.23 seconds>>: Same here, but I've been keeping a record.
<<Following that, the question becomes "do you love him any more/less">>: But if she does know, he's somewhat smart, because she's a bit more likely to get stuck doing the books.
<>: The shock.

Christine> <<We've had one cat, Shroedinger, for almost ten years>>: Put him in boxes often? Someone had to say it.

Fire Storm> <>: Is there any way you could scrape together enough to try and buy it off him yourselves?
<<Well now, that is a fairly sexy song then, isn't it?>>: A bit, but the French bit's been used before in some disco song.
<<each can has just a little bit of Odin in them>>: You'd think they'd have more Mimir laying around.
<<Then all the CR shall claim her>>: At the same time? Are we going to then sell a CR cooking video?
<<What? No Chianti?>>: No, but I'm sure Mike will be willing to lend you some special sauce.

Warpmind> <>: Find someone who plays in a band. They tend to requite white shirt. black tie/pants/socks/shoes often.

Shadowrider> <<Then why did they produce it in first instance?>>: Someone did some fast talking. It's prabably been convered in Ask Greg by now.
<<the very little I've understood about American society is correct>>: We are quite messed up, but I can't quite think of to what you're referring.
<<ESL?>>: English second language.
<<"Heent", isn't it? Interesting...I must take note of it>>: It's probably best if you didn't.

And because Fire Storm asked for it a while back, you can now find The Wiseguys' Start The Commotion in my directory.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, February 25, 2002 01:25:01 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Man the weekend just seems to go by too fast.

Winterwolf and Dreamie- Congrats to the both of you. I'm jealous.

Green Baron- Yeah Germany is cold. When do you leave? I heard that Germany is a 3 year tour now. I hear that Colorado is a nice place to go, but El Paso is right outside Bliss and you'll either like it or hate it. The winters do get cold from what I hear nothing like Germany or Korea. It really is hard choosing your next post isn't it?

DPH- That's true but I change my e-mail address every now and again. I only plan to have this one for another year so it works out.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:06:48 PM
IP: 172.180.238.226

Jan - just send it to the email address you know. All email going to dph_of_rules@yahoo.com gets forwarded to another email address. Just make sure you use a subject line that will get my attention or I might mistake it for spam. I haven't deleted any email addresses in a long time.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 24, 2002 09:15:04 PM
IP: 204.94.193.50

Avalon Mists > yep, the voting is done and congratulations to the new editor, Stephen Sobotka! The next issue, my final one, will be posted next week.

Patrick > if you haven't written one yet that makes you cringe every time you even think of it or see any character or reference to the show it's based upon, then no, you haven't quite hit that level of pain and shame. Gods grant you never have to!

Mooncat > I like to think that Jericho has made me pretty infamous, but I actually kinda like his stories ; )

Fire Storm > I have no desire whatsoever to read it, thanks anyway. I don't even like the show. Despise it, as a matter of fact. Now they're making a movie and the merchandising will be even more everywhere and there'll be no damn escape.

Green Baron > sweetie, and I mean this as kindly as possible, but when you're saying things like this: "my children will know discipline, even if I have to hire a really strict nun as their nanny," you're sure not going to want my input on childrearing. Any more than you're really going to want my marital-bed advice. I don't think we see all that eye to eye on a variety of issues. In fact, sometimes lately your posts have kinda weirded me out ; )

Tim and Becca are watching Time Bandits. Gosh, it's been ages since I saw that movie. John Cleese and Sean Connery look so YOUNG ... and it's got David Warner in it as usual!

Book news > well, here goes nothing ... I still don't think I strictly qualify, but I've just sent off my applications to SFWA and HWA. And mailed a few review copies. It's way past time I started trying to promote the books. Not to mention organizing all my paperwork. Ugh.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, February 24, 2002 08:19:23 PM
IP: 64.24.214.107

Greetings all...

Got a couple of pieces of news to share, but first a few replies:

RAVYN - Good luck with the apartment!

JOSH - I got the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch from Brother Maynard. And I agree with you on SJ's view of curvy women in spandex...dunno what he's smoking, but I suggest he'd better switch his dealer for a better one (grin!)

LEXY - Great work with the links for the Garg polls!

CHRISTINE - re: Scooby > Well, you know, I was in Universal Islands of Adventure the other day, and in the Hanna-Barbera shop I spied an entire area filled with Scooby stuff. Couldn't help but chuckle, remembering the infamy of that story (which I've never read, thank god...I'm warped enough as it is)... did you know they have real Scooby Snacks for sale there? ^_^

And, with that note to Christine, let me get on to the news...

First off, my rocket ride in my job is far from over. I just got told that my offical management training is to begin TOMORROW, which kicks off a four week set of learning administraition, paperwork, security measures and other sundry. To the quick, I get through this, and I am a full Floor Manager. Full pay raise, benifits, and new uniforms. Heck of a lot of responsibilities, and I lose the right to a 30 minute break, but I can knuckle up to this new challenge!

Spekaing of new challenges...

Christine gave me the news, and it's offical. As the votes went in selecting the new Editor for Avalon Mists, I won. (smiles) So, look to the next issue to see my 'welcome aboard' letter, and thanks to everyone that voted for me! I can't believe it...but I promise to do my best to continue to make AvMists a great 'zine.

That's all from me for now... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [scififangargoyle@yahoo.com]
Tampa, F, USA
Sunday, February 24, 2002 07:52:39 PM
IP: 65.35.135.128

Hi people. Just replies tonight, I feel not to chatter too much...

Congratulations to Dreamie and Winterwolf! One thousand years of happiness!

Dreamie & Winterwolf:> Well, seems you really monopolized the audience's attention, isn't it? ;)

Green Baron:> <<Divorce may be a ok to you>> Actually, I have nothing particular agaist divorce, I eventually consider it a personal right on which there should be no discussion, but I personally don't like to go back on my steps, or to undo something I did. Well...since I don't think I am ever going to get a religious marriage, the problem is merely academic, anyway.
<<my views on divorce and all that is pretty obvious. >> Indeed.
<<if you have greater goals in life than your family>> But it IS the key of the topic...

Gside:> <<Deadly Force shows blood. That scares Disney, and don't want it associated with them.>> Then why did they produce it in first instance? And, anyway, I suspect it is not the blood in that episode that really scares Disney...at least, if the very little I've understood about American society is correct...

Josh:> << I've always been fond of putting tanks on top of hills. >> There was a map in the single player campaign...and in that map a long cliff. I loved when playing that mission to conquer that cliff, then placing Siege Tanks on the edge of it, protected by turrets, and watching the Zerg ground troops being slaugthered while approaching my base, without even being able to reply to fire...
<<Some episodes are not played by toon disney. Like "Deadly Force", the one where Elisa gets shot. They also don't play "Upgrade" any more, for reasons I don't know. >> I can somehow understand they don't play "Deadly Force", but why "Upgrade"? Anyway, I am sure they play Upgrade here in Italy nowadays (I've seen it a couple weeks ago) and according to my brother, they played "Deadly Force" as well recently.

Spacebabie:> <<Well lets say A+ are the best and F- are the worst.>> Ok, I got it. Oh...I didn't mention before, but in the Italian system the worst possible result is 0/30...it was clear anyway, isn't it? ;)

Jan:> <> Hm, Ok...if you say so...;)
<<someone who is ESL>> ESL?
<<each state/region seems to have their own vocabulary! >> It is common, I suppose...in some regions of Italy, the local slang is sometimes very different from actual Italian, so that even someone coming from a nearby zone can be unable to understand...
<<...another word for ghost...>> "Heent", isn't it? Interesting...I must take note of it.

See everyone!
Shadowrider - [shadowrider@katamail.com]
Milan, Italy
Sunday, February 24, 2002 06:32:24 PM
IP: 213.255.20.192

Spike> awww! I remember the days of Webelos going to Camporee! Dang, makes me miss all of my scouting buddies in Houston� I hope your guys had a great time and was impressed enough with some troops to want to continue on into the Boy Scout program! =)

Greg> I don�t know how to describe the �evil� that you are so able to pull off� you�re the dictator type evil that would definitely work *nods*

SJ> you are more of the sadistic evilness with a touch of humor� which makes you the sly type of evil. This could also been seen as the more deadly of the evils.
*chuckles* Both of ya�ll crack me up, though ;)

Congrats to Dreamie and Wolfie! I wish ya�ll all the best and happiness *hugs for both*

Lexy> argh! Is there any way of confining the cats when these monster children are around? When I have company that includes children, I put my dogs in a bedroom away from the kids and then whisper threats in their ears if they open the bedroom door ;) The adults that are allowing their children to torture or abuse the cats are, in my opinion, idiots and cold heartless people. Anyone that would condone such behavior rates extremely low on my list. Of course, I�d have no hesitation in telling the kids AND the adults of what I think about their behaviors towards animals. ;) Anyone disgusting enough to abuse children, the elderly and animals do not warrant any type of manners or consideration.
Glad to see that you are planning on posting more often! =)

Rayvn> I understand how you feel *nods* It�s also hard to stomach the fact that you are indeed old enough to get married, have children, etc. That�s how I felt when my friends were all getting married and then when they started having children� it was a nasty reality blow for me. Hehe A lot of my friends are grandparents now and of course, I didn�t want to accept the fact that *I* was old enough to be a grandparent too� and then Anna went and showed me just how it could happen. I�m still having personal issues about this too. I cringe whenever someone calls me �grandma�. Maybe that�s why I prefer being called Nana� it doesn�t sound as old. ;) But sadly, reality sucks sometimes.
At least you are aware enough to know that you are not ready to get married (right away) and not have children. There will be a time in your life that you will possibly want to have children, but that time is not now. Nothing wrong with that. *shakes head*
It makes me sad to see teenagers having children... children birthing children. *sais* More times than not - the grandparents end up raising the child more than the teen mom.
<<re: ring - Nice!! :)>> thanks! Yeah, it is two rows of diamonds and the ring goes into a slight �V� shape. I wanted something a bit different but also wanted it to lay flat � not have a mounting on it.

Warpmind> sorry to hear about your grandfather =( Both of my grandfathers died before I was even born � sure would have liked to have known them.

Dubble> thanks! Welcome back and I hope to see more of your postings =)

GB> as usual, you have confused me. But, one thing� selfishness is not an instinct. It�s a behavior. There is a difference. Also, a baby is not selfish, it is their instinct to survive and therefore the only way to have their needs met is to demand it (since they can�t provide for themselves). The only person to have walked on this earth that was free of selfishness was/is Jesus. The rest of us� well, some are less selfish than others. There are certain things that I am selfish about but for the most part, I try very hard to be an unselfish person. You�re right though; pride is a big no-no in the Christian belief.
I too find it an insult for you to include Pat Buchanan in your list of �Great Satan�s�.
From what you�ve explained, I don�t feel as if that warrants such a harsh comparison.

Shadowrider> <<Admit it, you use gergal expression just to force me looking in the dictionary! ;)>> *LOL* I have no idea of what you are talking about *innocent look* I can only imagine how difficult it is for someone who is ESL to have to decipher all of our slang and such. *L* To compound the problem, each state/region seems to have their own vocabulary! Today I learned a new �word�� I will spell it phonetically because I�m sure there�s no proper way to actually spell it� �heent� Never in a million years would I have guessed what this meant, but in the Ozarks (i.e. hillbilly talk) that is another word for ghost. I guess it�s a variation of accents on the word haunt. One can only guess, though. I�m still not used to hearing the word, �you-ins� or �I growed up over in the Jenkins area� or some of the more educated locals use the word �grewed�. *L*

DPH> I understand how you are feeling and I will be sending you an email soon. *hugs* What email address should I use? You can email me first if you prefer so that you don�t have to post yours. I�ve never received any spam as a result of posting it in here.

Fire Storm>> <<Everyone tries. But most of us have never run a major international convention before.>> *nods* I certainly understand that. One of the important considerations to be given when selecting a hotel is the location and if it offers reasonable access to and from the airport for those (the majority) who have to travel to attend. I�m not insulting anyone or dishing anyone for the Gatherings in the past! I have heard many complaints about this particular issue in the past and I�m just passing it on for future references. It�s a consideration for myself too. I�m tired of the hassle and extra expense of just getting to the hotel from the airports. I�m dreading it so much this year that I�m actually considering driving my own car � 1000+ miles for me.
I�m not suggesting that it has to be held at an airport hotel � but at least make sure there is a decent and reasonable shuttle service of some kind, you know?
Which Gathering are you considering hosting? The one with Coyote? I forgot, sorry =\

Work related: the sheriff captured the escape inmate that walked away from a rehab clinic a couple of months ago. He is going to DOC on attempted murder charges. Extreme caution is used when dealing with him outside of the confines of a cell. I happen to arrive at the courthouse at the same time the deputy did with this guy and was given the �look� to follow behind them � not in front of or to the side � and the deputy had his gun holster unsnapped and his hand close to the gun the entire time. O.o
Another meth lab bit the dust last week � but not before exploding and killing the cooker. His lungs were burned from the flash fire that he apparently inhaled.
The city police (not our dept.) were real fartwads last week. Two older kids were messing around and duct taped a 13 year old (friend of the family) to a chair� they didn�t harm him, the kid wasn�t upset or scared, etc. The kid was cut loose and went running out of the house � just as this city cop was walking down the sidewalk. He asked the kid what was going on and the kid told him (laughing all the time he was telling it)� the officer arrested the two older boys for �endangering the welfare of a child�. *rolls eyes* When they were first booked in, the bond was $5,000/10% cash � after this officer turned in his probable cause to the judge, the bond went to $35,000/10% cash. We don�t know what the officer wrote, but it must have been pretty bad if the judge upped the bond that much! Geesh. It was a joke and no one was hurt and no one was upset. I saw one of the older guys and asked him if he was part of the �duct tape gang�. These city cops give law enforcement a bad name and rep.

Zach is stirring and I�m on babysitting duty. The kids went to see the Damned movie� can�t remember the full name of it � the one that Josh went to see�. I think Zach and I will go for a ride around the countryside � it�s a beautiful day. It�s been in the 60�s here all week and it�s suppose to drop into the teens by tomorrow.. eesh!

In closing, I would like to make a special plea from the heart....
I would like to encourage each and everyone of you
to seriously considerthe charity described below. Now
that the holiday season has passed, please look into
your heart to help those in need. Enron executives
in our very own country are living at or just below
the seven-figure salary level. More tragic, they will
be deprived of it as a result of the bankruptcy and
current SEC investigation. But now, you can help! For
only $20,835 a month*, about $694.50 a day (that's
less than the cost of a large screen projection TV)
you can help an Enron executive remain economically
viable during his time of need. Almost $700 may not
seem like a lot of money to you, but to an Enron exec
it could mean the difference between vacationing in
Fiji and owning it. It will enable him or her to
trade in the year-old Lexus for a new Ferrari without
jeopardizing those jealously guarded "retirement"
accounts in Switzerland and the Caymans. To you,
seven hundred dollars is nothing more than rent, a car
note, or a second mortgage payment. Each month, you
will receive a complete financial report on the exec
you sponsor. Detailed information about his/her
stocks, bonds, 401(k), real estate, and other
investment holdings will be mailed to your home.
Imagine the joy as you watch your executive's
portfolio grow exponentially -- and that's just his
disclosed assets! Plus, upon signing up for this
program, you will receive a photo of the exec
(unsigned) - for a signed photo, please include an
additional $50.00. Put the photo on your refrigerator
to remind you of other people's suffering. Your Enron
exec will be told that he/she has a SPECIAL FRIEND who
just wants to help in a time of need. Although the
exec won't know your name, he or she will be able to
make collect calls to your home via a special
operator just in case additional funds are needed for
unexpected expenses. And there will be those. As poor
Mrs. Ley so sincerely reported, her husband somehow
managed to misplace over $100 million that he received
in just the last 2 years. Stephen King couldn't
script a scenario more frightening. I'd write more,
but I'm having trouble seeing through my tears. Thank
you for your expression of love.

O_O
Jan
Sunday, February 24, 2002 05:55:01 PM
IP: 12.110.237.87

Christine > We fanfic writers all have to have ONE infamous one... I think it's a law or something. I'm just not sure if I've written mine yet, or if it's still to come. ;)

Firestorm & Josh > Just in case you think I've not noticed the continuing banter... I'd just like to note that although Crzy and Eden have been my costuming consultants, I've always aquired my own attire and have yet to "borrow" anything. It's one thing to have a weird costume... it's another to just be plain weird.

Winterwolf and Dreamie > Congrats. And a mystery solved... as I can now conclude that the audible crack I heard late last night was the collective sound of many a Gargoyle fanboy's heart breaking.

Random comment of the day > I watched "You Only Live Twice" last night on ABC (they've been airing James Bond movies on Saturday night for about a month now), and it sure didn't take long to lose count of all the things Austin Powers ripped off from this particular film. Such campy costuming... such a convoluted plot... such un-special effects. And of course, I nearly lost it when "Tiger," the head of Japan's secret service, said "In Japan, Mr. Bond, men come first. Women come second."
:: lurks back off to his "evil lair" ::
Patrick Toman
Sunday, February 24, 2002 05:50:11 PM
IP: 66.72.194.178

Hiya

Warpmind, yes, got the e-mail *^_~* -- I'll be looking at the site later.

Please add my condolences for your loss.

Dreamie n' Winterwolf -- oooh!!! Congrats!!! Muchly jealous!!! So romantic!!! *^_^*

Christine -- hee... Scooby will never look the same to me. The story has warped my fragile little mind *^_^* hee...

I remember reading that fiction forever ago. Except for a Scooby/Thundercat crossover (also an adult fic) I haven't seen any other Scooby fic on the net. This one fic alone will carve your name into the mountain of Internet Infamy for untold generations. Yoikes!!

The only thing you could possibly do to distract the milling hoards of fic readers out there that you wrote the infameous Scooby fic, is to write an even more infameous Gargoyles fiction. Yup. *^_^* --

More Gargoyles fic!!! yah!!! that's the ticket!!!

*^_~*

mmm... think that's my two cents for the afternoon. Gotta go run and then do the grocery thing.

agh..
bye peoples
Mooncat

Mooncat
Sunday, February 24, 2002 03:43:57 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

*Warpmind strolls in, pondering.*
Forgot to mention something in my last post...
Mooncat: Sent you an e-mail. Did you get it?

And thanks for all your sympathies regarding grandfather. I think the funeral will be on Friday; the date hasn't been oficially set yet, but that's what it seems to wind up as. *Sigh* And, by the looks of it, I'll be equipped for the occasion with a black tie... of the elastic band type. I prefer the proper kind where you tie it yerself, but I don't have any presentable black ones at hand... :p

Gside: What I can do about that punch? Well, *healing* would be a good start... time-consuming though it is, I can do other things in the meantime. ;)

Josh: Provideth the JPEG, Godspeed! *Brandishes a rather shiny cavalry saber with a dubious-looking edge* I WANT that picture!

Dreamie/Winterwolf: Congrats. Best of luck to ye. :)

Spacebabie: *Has head rubbed* Hey, I thought I got enough of that in LA and Canada... };)

Fire Storm: Good thing I hit "Reload" before posting. I allow the sick thoughts, but I try to refrain most of them. Which, given my track record, should give some remarkable insight into my thought patterns. *Mumbles something about catching up with the rest of the faculty.* };)

Well, that about ends my post... I should get back to RPGmaking... I really should...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, February 24, 2002 03:32:49 PM
IP: 193.217.208.233

Ravyn: <Hey! What's that supposed to mean???>
The CR that plays together, stays together! ;)

Greg Bishansky: <Damn, Fire Storm. You are sick, sick, sick!>
Why thank you! I usually don't get compliments, but when I do, I REALLY appreciate them!
<When I rule the world, do you want to be a regional governor?>
Hmm... Why not? Worse comes to worse, I can eat my subjects!

Jen: <Sauron's body ... well, if he is only an EYE at least he can watch porn!>
But what would be the point if he was only an eye?

Gside: <good luck finding a new place. Soon.>
I am trying to talk him out of selling the place this year. But I am looking just incase.
<Well, I'm not good at post-Jive, but the French is "Would you like to sleep with me tonight?">
Ah. I see. Well now, that is a fairly sexy song then, isn't it?
I find it odd that the song was NOT made for the movie, but it is more or less the THEME for the movie now!
<So Warpmind, just why do vikings like spam so much? Other than its inherent magical powers>
I think it is the magical powers, and the fact that each can has just a little bit of Odin in them.
<Fire Storm, you're exempt until you find a house.>
Ah, I am still around. I'll let everyone know when everything goes to hell.

Imzadi: 
Won't stop him from trying!
<One should never be surprised by this>
True... but then there are the times that a movie can be SO sucky that it surprises you that it could EVER be that sucky.
<They're not CR appropriate either>
Ah, I don't think the Admins would mind if I posted graphic porn in here! ;)
<Don't even joke>
Hey, my projects in class pass all the labwork, even though there are a few shortcuts.
<Well I need a plan. I already know that the plan has to involve porn, because I need a way to move my porn somewhere else so I can reformat my drives>
Give it all to me.
<His body is en route to transsexual transylvania>
Hmm... Transsexual Transylvanian Concubine...
<Which is only slightly less effective at distribution than putting it on a website that says "DOWNLOAD THE WINDOWS SOURCE HERE!">
My point exactly.
<They do math. Sometimes they mumble>
You know, I never even SEE them with calculators...
<That's a lot of slacking. Don't you get tired?>
Sometimes I sleep.
<THAT will hurt! I'll pay to see it. Hey SJ! Dreamie's gonna be single!>
Then all the CR shall claim her!
<According to the article, she really was!>
I thought he was talking about that OTHER thing in Georgia.
...
Um... Never mind. Nothing happened. Really.
*mumble* How was I supposed to know she was a senators daughter
<Raid the fridge. The cryo-center, that is. They'll take a bit to thaw, but you're not BBQing till July>
Yeah, but then it will taste FRESH.
<Any relation to the Grateful?>
Most people are Grateful they arn't around these Dead.

Siryn: <lets just say the FURRY residents of this house swiped a POUND of fish while I was defrosting it>
Cook the cats!

lain: <HELP HELP!!!! I HAVE A *VERY* URGENT QUESTION!!!!!>
The questions have been answered.
The die has been tossed.
The fates continued on their new path.
It is now up to you to follow that path.

Jan: <My one biggest complaint is the lack of transportation to and from the Gathering hotel/airports>
I know... it can really suck. I like Shuttle Busses.
<I�d rather see less fluff and sparkle and the Gatherings be more �attendee-friendly� in aspects such as convenience, affordability, etc>
Everyone tries. But most of us have never run a major international convention before.

Spacebabie: <Sick dude sick. Would you like some fava beans?
What? No Chianti? ;)
<And don�t you know fresh dead meat is easier to chew than old dead meat.>
It's more about taste than anything. A few of the people I am inviting over are complete necrovores. And the rest of them just like the gamy taste.
Me, I prefer the living. Their screams make eating more enjoyable!

Warpmind: < Does this mean that soon, everyone can get the same pu... Nope, not gonna say it, come to think of it...>
YES! Allow the sick, evil thoughts!

David G: <Baby Hitler, playing in his crib - not evil>
He had a very evil rattle, though.

Ravyn: <Well, don't mind me freakin' out over here>
I felt the same way. But for me, the pregnancy things didn't hit me until I learned a friend not only got pregnant before, but her kid is about 4 or 5 now!

Christine: < ::groan:: Oh, lordy, must you?>
Well, I thought it would be the perfect companion piece to a story Ghastly posted in Perverts Row. It's a Velma story. Yours is better.
If you want to read it and judge for yourself, go to www.the-row.com, Perverts Row, "Velma Dinkley Gets Caught [Cartoon Porn Story]
Fire Storm
Sunday, February 24, 2002 03:28:07 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Congrats to Winterwolf and Dreamie... i'm jealous! ;) Naw... i've got my guy....just waiting till we live closer before we start making things official

I'm alive.... but I need a better job. I'll be posting aagain slowly.... sice i'm not online much... if you need to reach me, umm..... hope that I make it online soon? Anyway.... i'm off and about. later people!
Aingeal
Lost, PA
Sunday, February 24, 2002 02:05:34 PM
IP: 216.220.167.97

Jaden - <please note the change in e-mail. My hotmail account has too much junk mail so I closed it down.> Listing your email address here will bring junk email to your new account.

Congrats Winterwolf and Dreamie.

Lexy - 100% tame cats treat humans right 100% of the time. Sure, my half-tame cats have scratched me, but only because I did something to them they didn't like. I agree with you that that kid is committing animal abuse and getting away with it.

GXB - Hmm. Your whole argument boils down to how advanced the Vorlon technology really is compared to Federation technology. I still say that in asteroid field, things would be pretty well matched between the Defiant and the White Star. Are you saying that if the Vorlons (or Shadows) were to fight the Borg, that the Vorlons (or Shadows) would win?

Green Baron - <That reminds me of how many Popes when they gain their Office say they don't deserve it, though those folks make some of the better Popes.> That makes sense. <Why would we?> Simple, suppose some alien species decided to colonize our moon, how would you feel about that? I would strongly object because we have already claimed. That goes for the rest of our Solar System. Why? So we can establish defenses for ourselves. <Your dad has to realize you're 24.> I'm 25, turned 25 earlier this month. <Your dad needs to realize you're an adult.> My sister-in-law said that it took some time after my brother moved out from under my dad for my brother to finally handle my dad. <That kind of anger mixed with your eating will cause you tod ie young.> I keep my anger under control, most of the time.

Imzadi - <You're gonna die of a heart attack, I'm sure you know that.> I didn't know that you cared. What makes you so sure? The key is moderation of what you eat. I plan on making that maybe once a month.

Yep, I made top 10.

1-3=2
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 24, 2002 02:03:29 PM
IP: 204.94.193.20

Well I�m finished with one of my essays. So far so good, and after two days of non stop drizzle it finally stopped. Thank the Lord I was getting tired of drying the dogs.

My brother is changing. He likes DBZ and Pokemon, but he is also likes Yugio and Zoids and the other night he rented Akira ob DVD. He�s changed I used to call him the anti Anime boy.

Charisma is getting big for her Kitty britches. When Mix approached one of the double dishes where Charisma was already eating the little cat swiped at her. Then when I gave them some nip She swiped at the other cats and hissed. I got to teach her not to be selfish.

Warpmind Sorry to hear about your grandfather HUG<<<WhatI was about to say might have been a bit too descriptive and wholly inappropriate. ;p >>>Oh come here you adorable lil Norse you :::Starts to rub Warpy�s bald head:::

Shadowrider<<<In Italian universities votes are given on a /30 base, with 30/30 as maximum, and 18/30 as the minimum sufficient.>>>Well lets say A+ are the best and F- are the worst.

Green Baron<<>> Your dissing the French? I thought you were from Louisianna.

Gside<<<Groin! Actually, how about calf. >>>BZZZT wrong!

Josh<<<That's it?>>>Yeah and its due in one week.<<<Is it CR appropriate?>>>Yes and it begins with a G<<<Because then I'd simultaneously have all job offers in existence ;-)>>>Even working in an retirment home, spong bathing the elderly?<<<What bell? I just said it was a curve ;-) >>>It�s officialy called a bell curve<<>>Hey my Major is real. Its called �I don�t have to deal with pointless labs and math�<<<My cats don't lick my face. It's not very lickable.>>>Wanna Bet?<<<Do you spank your monkey?>>>I don�t have a monkey. I have a tiger and he is currently captured by Lethys.

Dreamie and Winterwolf >>> Congrats on your engagement
Spacebabie
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:53:12 PM
IP: 67.25.53.240

DPH> <<You compared Pat Buchanan to Bill Clinton? I hold neither one in high regard, but I wouldn't put them in the same category.>> In some ways, they do belong in a similar category. They have a certain degree of religious hypocrisy. Bill Clinton often appeared to be very religious though by his behaviour he was using it as a smoke screen. Buchanan is Catholic and even goes to Latin Masses, but he maintained a relationship with Bob Jones University after all teh controversy. I agree with him when he criticizes Hollywood or the ACLU for anti-Ctaholicism, but he shoudl not be blind to right-wing anti-Catholicism, either. For him to maintain his relationship with Bob Jones makes as much sense as an Orthodox Jew being a guest speaker at Aryan Nation functions. Now, Buchanan for all his faults has never cheated on his wife, so that's a relief.

<<You reminded of something: you couldn't give away the award for being most humble person on Earth if the person had to accept it.>> Well, they get rewarded later on for it. That reminds me of how many Popes when they gain their Office say they don't deserve it, though those folks make some of the better Popes.

<<I'd argue that we have a bigger claim to Mars than any other species unless they are native to the planet. Let this be a lesson: don't colonize any planet unless there are no sentient species on that planet or in that Solar System without their permission. >> Why would we? They were more advanced if they colonized it first. Besides, genocide is not the answer. Alliance is. Or at least get them to war on us so we can solve the population issue.

Jaden> Well, that sounds good if Bliss is hot as I am in a cold climate right now, but I have no idea where I'll be. Colorado is an option, but I'd rather not go there. It's expensive and very cold in winter.

Wintewolf and Dreamie> Well, taht is good news. Keep us posted about the final day and Warpmind can do the honors if you don't mind a savage berserker Viking raiding Seattle in the porcess :)

Lexy> I intend to have cats and my children will know discipline, even if I have to hire a really strict nun as their nanny ;) I just hope that I can use guilt as effectively as my mother did, so I don't have to use physical punishment. If guilt is really strong, I'll let them punish themselves. Their imaginations would be better at that.

My mother spanked the cats when they calwed furniture and they were broken of the habit.
I think its better than my bloodthirsty little babies being declawed.

So if what you say is true, Kaioto shouldn't punsih Attila when he made passes at you :)

<<So ya..that comment was by his grandma..and it very much annoyed me>> MY grandparnest are all dead so I don't ahve to worry about them saying anything, though I doubt they would. My stepmother is not overly fond of cats, but I doubt she gives a sparrow fart if I have lots of cats. Besides, I don't really consider her my stepmother since my father's first marriage was never anuled.

GXB> <<Being a Commie, Stalin was of course an Atheist, so of course he didn't. And Hitler was a fanatical Catholic who thought he was doing God's work, so I doubt he did either. >> Surprsiingly, Stalin still had some remanants of his behavior when he was a Russian Orthodox Seminarian, like self-flagellation. I was using them theoretically. I don't see Hitler as a fanatical Catholic. He was Austrian and so yes, technically Catholic, like Marx was technically Jewish, but Marx rejected his religious heritage and Hitler rejected his Catholci upbringing, but he still used his former faith in some ways. I see him as someone who thought he was God, more specifically Odin. His followers had all sort s of different beliefs, including some pagans, some Hindus, as well as a few Protestants and Catholics in that mix. Religious fanatics have twisted the message to suit their own needs, as in evident in men like Oliver Cromwell or John Calvin. They have modled God to suit their own needs and have effectively rejected God in the process by making themselves their own gods.

<> Sounds similar to Mormon beliefs.

Mooncat> That cell is too rich for my blood.

Imzadi> <<Um, no. Hitler was protestant, just like the rest of nazi germany. Catholics were in the camps.>> Hitler was raised Austrian so he was technically Catholic, but I doubt he really beleived in Catholci or Protestant beleifs much. He probably exploited both images depending on where in Germany he was and he did control the Lutheran Churches in Germany. I always thought he worshipped the Norse gods as Wagner depicted them.

<<Hell is Mexico?>> What would you expect from Cartman?

<<You're gonna die of a heart attack, I'm sure you know that.>> That proves you're not SJ. SJ woudl neevr care about dying of a heart attack, though he made a pretty good Elvis story when he joked about it :)

<<>>: I love how BULLSH*T your religion is. You're gonna tell me that you're gonna do something OBJECTIVELY wrong (aka IMMORAL), but you will be forgiven because you will say some memorized song lyrics>> I neevr said I'd be forgiven. You're just conclusions from your own sense of logic. I don't exactly think weakening someone's lust drive is more than a venial sin. It's a temporary way to keep the littel monster in check, I'm not castrating my yet-to-even be conceived son, just putting a little soft Peter in his diet. Hail Marys won't cancel that out if it is a mortal sin. First I'd have to be penitent about it. And you don't think I'm evil.

<<Another case where you haven't a clue what you are talking about.>> Thoughts about dating and women distracted me quite a bit. You are a different person so don't presume to know what goes on in my mind. I do realize I shoudl have spent more time studying in HS and College than thinking about women and dates. Beisdes, it wasn't until after I finsihed College that I found the right woman. If I spent that time studying, I do beleive I would have had a much higher GPA and probably higher ACT scores, though that is specualtive.

<<And I'm sure your child will love you to death for it.>> I don't care about that. It will be for his own good. Beisdes, teenagers have an overabundance of those hormones.

Christine> Well, Becca still strikes me as better behaved than a lot of kids I see in public. I'll ahve to ask you for advice on childrearing. I suspect you also have plenty of psychology notes to prepare you before you had Becca, too.

DPH> Your dad has to realize you're 24. You're my age and have a full time job. You're and adult. I may not have had a ful-tiem job, but my mother treated me like a child until I semi-manipulated her into asking me to move in with my father (I wanted that, but she already decided that). My father treats me like an adult and doesn't have a problem with me hanging out with Dr. Barnes (my mother finds it odd for me to spend Saturday nights with my 56 year old Marketing Professor and watch movies).

Your dad needs to realize you're an adult and well he has remarried so he shoudl be with her and not hassling you all teh time. If my mother treats me like a kid when I visit her, I'll have to remidn her I'm grown and that if she wants me to visit her at all, she'll have to treat me like an adult and a soldier, though I may just viist to play with her new kittens.

<<He does not understand why my brother and his sister are going to parenting parenting classes while my nephew is being treated for depression or some other mental illness>> He probably believes that parents should raise kids naturally instead of learning how to be effective parenst before letting their instincts f*ck up the child. Depression is easier to treat and quite common.

Why are you going to sleep at 2am? You should also see your minister about your dad. He might be able to help. I imagine he is bound by a certain level of confidence not to tell anyone what you tell him and you need to see someone especially if you are devoloping that level of hatred. That kind of anger mixed with your eating will cause you tod ie young.

Mooncat> I'd agree with you about kids and cats. Cats are easier to take care of, definitely. Children are more responsibility and a lot of pain to make a mother endure to have one. I would prefer delaing with a teenager than one under three, but thpose are the years for the most effective brainwashing and influence.

<<Teenagers having kids just depresses me. It often feeds a vicious cycle of poverty and lack luster parenting skills. There are always shining exceptions, but for the most part it wastes so much potential for a good life (financial and otherwise) for parent and child.>> I agree with you a lot, though if you ahve akid underage Papa Federal Government gives you plenty of financial support as long as you spend all of Papa Government's money (saving some of that welfare is punishable) and don't something responsible like working makes you lose those government benefits.

I think some teenagers can responsibly raise a child, but there are very few and I'd ratehr they use that ability to volunteer at places with children who could use the love a lot more instead of creating their own just yet. I also find that adults and some who are very wealthy and highly intelligent make for really crappy parents, though they may have better resources than the responsible effective teenager.

I've also heard about a girl who got pregnant just so her boyfriend would stay with her. What a selfish reason to bring in a new life and new responsibility into the world. That child deserves better for a mother. I would like to adopt so these chidlren can find a home where they are wanted and appreciated. I have four cousins who are adopted and my Aunt and Uncle picked them mainly because no one else would.

As for Queen of the Damned, it should be out in Hanau before too long.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:00:46 PM
IP: 140.156.11.171

Various comments --

Queen of the Damned -- saw it opening night. Thought it was hilarious. Good soundtrack, but definately a "B" quality movie and maybe not worth night prices. I paid 8 bucks (included dollar to hold/reserve ticket by credit card)and I'm thinking it might only be worth 5 or 6 bucks matinee price.

Alliyah was beautiful, and played her role wonderfully.

Lestat was sexy, but I had trouble keeping a straight face anytime he opened his mouth.

Of course, they pretty much disregarded the book and the only similarities to the story it's based on is that the characters have the same names, and Alliyah turned vampires into charcoal briquettes. Everything else was ripped, warped and mutilated into... camp. It was a very, very campy movie.

Cats and Babies -- The more babies you have, the less cats you can have. It's a matter of resources. Both kinds of animals take time and energy and money to take care of right. Babies consume a lot more of all of this than cats ever will.

I love babies, but I love cats more. I'd rather have a basket of kittens than one new little human that I have to cloth and feed and send through school, and watchdog for 18 to 20 years. gah... If I go on a trip, for a weekend or a week, I can leaave my cats and have a friend come in once a day or so to put out new food and water. Can't do that with children, nosiree bob.

Now if I had an extremely rich mate, who could afford to hire someone to do all the house work (including cat boxes), and let me stay at home and ALL I had to do was raise the kids, then sure, kids would be great and I'd love to raise some if finances were not a worry.

I really do like children, but they are *d*mned* expensive. I wouldn't even consider raising one without a LOT of money set aside just for that, and at least one full time mate to share the work load and financial support.

Teenagers having kids just depresses me. It often feeds a vicious cycle of poverty and lack luster parenting skills. There are always shining exceptions, but for the most part it wastes so much potential for a good life (financial and otherwise) for parent and child.

Well, loads of work to do, gotta scoot.
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:29:51 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Congrats, Winterwolf and Dreamie! I'm glad indeed to see you two so happy.

Cats and kids > there are the usual old groaners about how cats will steal a baby's breath -- this one probably came from cats pushing their snoots up close to a baby's mouth smelling for the milk; there could be a real risk if the cat was actually lying on the baby's chest and giving it breathing difficulties. Not many cats are that eager, though, to use something squirmy and noisy for a pillow. I do know of at least one real instance of a cat posing a threat to a baby: when I was a teen, some friends of my mother's had a baby and their hitherto totally spoiled and indulged cat, Delilah, got EXTREMELY jealous of this new arrival getting all the attention. She would hiss at the baby, and swipe at the baby (she was declawed, luckily), and after a couple of months of it not stopping, they decided to get rid of the cat. So we took her. I'm sure it was almost as much of a blow for Delilah; she was a very imperious and arrogant cat even by cat standards, and to suddenly be thrown into a household where she *gasp!* wasn't the only cat any more was probably just as bad.

Ravyn > way, waaaay back when I was in high school, not one but two of my friends went the route of "if my parents won't let me see my boyfriend, I'll get pregnant so they'll _have_ to." It worked in both cases, the girls dropping out to get hitched and have babies, but I often wonder how well it worked out in the long run.

Lexy > LOL, so now's probably not the time to tell you about the absolutely bizarre dream I had the other night in which you somehow talked me into surrogating your hybrid wolf-gargoyle babies (I'm serious; it was WEIRD). For the record, hon, although you're a dear girl and all, should the question ever arise -- no. ; )

Green Baron > We've had one cat, Shroedinger, for almost ten years (he was a wedding prezzie; landmark anniversary coming up in May!). So he was around when Becca was a baby. And we got Darth when Becca was 3 or so. While she has done her share of picking them up by the head and carrying them around and trying to bend their legs out sideways, she's never really hurt them. Mostly because I threaten to whap her fanny with a spatula ... bluffing, though <g>

Fire Storm > ::groan:: Oh, lordy, must you? I posted it because I figured I should own up to it, but does it really need to be deliberately drawn to anyone's attention?

Had my game last night. Went rather well. They discovered a little neighborhood within the Emerinian city of Perras Peliani that was like unto a small town of itself. Off-kilter sort of place, Lovecraftian almost (though without the shambling horrors ... at least so far!). They spent the entire game session exploring the odd little shops and trying to get information because one of the character's mother and grandfather were involved with some sort of secret society that met there. I never have to worry about them getting too much money; one of them laid down 45,000 valn kairis for an evening gown made of truesteel mesh for his NPC lover. ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:46:14 AM
IP: 64.24.187.161

Chuck Jones died!? Bummer. The animation industry has lost a great hero.

I did very little today. I worked an entire shift and didn't get a single phone call, so I just slacked off and worked on my transportation engineering lab. Took me all day...and that's just ONE section.

replies

Ravyn: <>: Ugh. I can't stand the though that my friends would be getting married. Fortunately, none of them are ;-) <<but I have *no* plans>>: Aren't you the one with the ring on your finger? <<but it's *really* freaking me out>>: I don't blame you. I'd be freaking out too. <>: No comment.

Lexy: <<I can't comprehend of ANYONE having children. I am..I don't know. I just don't understand. It seems so bizzar *sp* to me. It is so ..normal, but I just can't imagine how ppl can just reproduce, and act like it's no big deal. Just had myself another HUMAN BEING gonna raise it and stuff..no big deal>>: You are so right. I don't think I'll ever understand, which is why I expect I'll never have kids. <<not to get too many cats cuz I'll have kids>>: Cats are bad with kids!?

Green Baron: <<I'd say Hitler was evil when he was a student>>: How can you say that? You didn't know the guy. I don't think he was evil till he came out of prison. << So are Jackal and Hyena, since they probably spend their money as tehy get it and don't save for a rainy day>>: And your point is...? <>: I love how BULLSH*T your religion is. You're gonna tell me that you're gonna do something OBJECTIVELY wrong (aka IMMORAL), but you will be forgiven because you will say some memorized song lyrics. And I'm sure your child will love you to death for it. <<If my libido was weakneed when I was in my teens, I bet my GPA would be higher and I'd be fourth in my class instead of ninth. It was more a distraction for me in those days. I didn't ahve a date until I was 17. All that wasted energy and thinking>>: Another case where you haven't a clue what you are talking about. I graduated second, and if I didn't have a libido I wouldn't have graduated first. There is no energy/thought wasted with a libido, unless youre such a nympho that you think about sex during exams, etc.

DPH: <>: You need to get away from him. That is a bad relationship. <<Making sausage pinballs with cheese biscuits instead of normal biscuits tastes great and the cheese flavor is not so overwhelming>>: You're gonna die of a heart attack, I'm sure you know that. <<if the defiant could engage in warp drive while in hyperspace, how fast could it travel?>>: I don't think it could. From my understanding of hyperspace and warp theory, one could not work inside the other.

Dreamie and Wolf: <<Last night was a very special night>>: Did you two finally do it? ;-) <<our engagement on February 22, 2002>>: I'm ill. Congrats.

Jaden: <<Has anyone seen Queen of the Damned yet?>>: I saw it. It was cool. Great soundtrack.

Coyote: <<Ain't love great?>>: Oh, stuffit.

Lexy: <<now that I am settled again I hope to do so almost every night>>: Looking forward to it.

Greg X: <<we think way too much alike>>: Which explains many things. <<Satan just wants to go rock climbing, hug babies and go on gay cruises>>: Apparently, that's a punishable offense. <<Brian Boitano doesn't take shit from anybody>>: And therefore, you and I should unite and take over the world. <<Hitler was a fanatical Catholic who thought he was doing God's work>>: Um, no. Hitler was protestant, just like the rest of nazi germany. Catholics were in the camps. <<this topic is more interesting than the endless Tolkien debate on whether or not Balrogs have wings... and they do>>: Who cares if they do? <<He said that in Hell, everyone speaks Spanish! He said there is water in Hell, but if you drink it, you pee blood out of your ass for seven hours! And perhaps worst of all, there are dozens and dozens of little trinkit stores, but they all have the same little trinkits in them!>>: Hell is Mexico?

Gside: <<At least the first one's been shipped>>: I'll settle. <<Nightly. Wait, you're talking about Black and White, right? I don't have that>>: That's what I thought. <<Can we set chips in our TVs to put clothes on the people we don't want to see?>>: That would be truly wonderful. <>: Yuk yuk. <<About 68 mp3s back. You even said something about it.>>: My memory of your mp3 collection lasts about 0.23 seconds. <<Care to give me a list?>>: I might. <<I'd say "anything I can get" is more insulting>>: That too. <<The real question is, Dreamie, do you know how much it costs?>>: Following that, the question becomes "do you love him any more/less". <<Fire Storm, you're exempt until you find a house>>: Don't let them get out that easily. Well, maybe you should. I don't plan on posting over spring break...

Alright, crash time. Need to be at work "early" tomorrow.

The ideal date is someone who parties with you till 4:30 in the morning and then turns into a pizza.
- Van Halen

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, February 24, 2002 05:45:47 AM
IP: 64.173.21.63

Whoops. Anyway.

D&W> <<We found the perfect ring set that we just kept getting drawn back to looking over>>: The real question is, Dreamie, do you know how much it costs? Congratulations, though.

$#!@ it Wilek, Gunjack, and Warpmind. Post more. I need more people to make stupid comments back and forth with. Fire Storm, you're exempt until you find a house.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, February 24, 2002 03:29:47 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Imzadi> <>: Hah, too late. At least the first one's been shipped.
<<Do you spank your monkey?>>: Nightly. Wait, you're talking about Black and White, right? I don't have that.
<<it will give *everyone* something to enjoy...and something to make the vomit>>: Good point. Can we set chips in our TVs to put clothes on the people we don't want to see?
<>: But it doesn't sound that bad when pronounced.
<<Don't wanna know>>: I flame as a hobby. And I don't mean inflamitory remarks.
<<You posted that!?>>: About 68 mp3s back. You even said something about it.
<<Are you going through *all* my old camp songs?>>: Not yet, but they're probably about my style. Care to give me a list?
<>: I'd say "anything I can get" is more insulting.

Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, February 24, 2002 03:22:57 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

DANG!
missed it!

aw well.. off for arkansas..

see a soon, gunjack :)
lain
the Great White North
Sunday, February 24, 2002 02:59:30 AM
IP: 64.228.192.164

Top 10?
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 24, 2002 02:03:50 AM
IP: 204.94.193.46

Top Ten? TEN?
Niamhgold
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:50:07 AM
IP: 206.41.204.144

Top Ten! :D
**cuddles**
Dreamie and Winterwolf
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:48:32 AM
IP: 198.81.16.38

Hey, not in the count, but had to post a note about a GARGOYLE CEL on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1077258670

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:46:53 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

eight!
Revel
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:44:21 AM
IP: 129.120.230.108

Christine: I would like permission to post a link to your page on Perverts Row, mainly because there is a Scooby-Doo porn discussion, and I think your story would be a PERFECT addition to the discussion.

Real post later.
Fire Storm
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:37:16 AM
IP: 216.254.103.139

SIX!

Damnit, FS, Five is RIGHT OUT!
Josh
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:17:57 AM
IP: 64.173.21.63

FIVE!
(Three sir!)
Fire Storm
Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:12:34 AM
IP: 216.254.103.139

four =)

Mooncat and I early or late together again
silvadel
Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:52:50 AM
IP: 208.59.247.8

Three?

Mooncat
Mooncat
Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:43:53 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Top Ten! :) (Two?)
Ravyn and Coyote
Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:39:39 AM
IP: 150.135.180.226

O_o No way.. woo!
Oracle
Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:37:22 AM
IP: 24.167.240.110