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SJ><<No, they're tired of the bullshit. They're tired of the Palestinians, who almost to the last of them are rabidly anti-Semitic, strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up Israelis because Palestine wants to kill every Jew they can find.>> Until recently, I would have agreed with you. But no matter how much the palestinians hate the israelis, the fact remains that the Israeli responce is unacceptable. The actions taken by IDF troops and other official Israeli groups on numerous occasions are simply unacceptable.
For example...

While it may be true that the Palestinians wish all Israelis dead, the fact remains that things have gone much the other way in practice.

Between 1987 and Jan 31st, 2002, 179 Israeli civilians and 109 Security Personelle have been killed by Palestinian civilians in the occupied Territories, along with an additional 24 Israeli security personelle killed by their palestinian counterparts.

During the same time period, *1,965* Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israeli security forces, along with an additional 126 palestinians killed by civilians, and 163 palestinain security troops killed by the IDF.

Look at those numbers for a moment. 312 israelis to 2,254 Palestinians. 7.2 Palestinians killed for each Israeli.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Total_Casualties.asp#Anchor-Israelis-37516

These numbers, of course, don't take into account cases where Israeli roadblocks have held ambulences at gunpoint while the patients inside died. Or the mothers who, in the midst of labor, have recieved similar treatment and lost their children as a result. Explain, if you can, how preventing a critically ill person from reaching a hospital serves the security interests of the state?
The IDF's reason for these incidents, incidentally, is that the aformentioned palestinians were traveling on Jew-only roads.

Once more, with feeling. THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT RESTRICTS ACCESS TO ROADS ACCORDING TO ETHNICITY.

Fancy that.

To say (as you do) that the IDF's actions constitute a reasonable response to terrorism is to say that all palestinians are terrorists. Such a universal condemnation is dangerous, foolish, and obviously false.

Israel has already been allowed to do "what it wants" with the Palestinians. Palestinians civilians have been used as human shields, and have been fragged as collateral damage during extrajudicial executions. Their protests have been fired upon with live ammunition. Their homes have been destroyed, and they have been slaughtered in refugee camps.

You say, SJ, that it's not about the land. Naturally, reducing the problem to a question of bigotry makes things much more cut and dried. Unfortunately, The facts clearly run counter to such an explanation.

<<It's not about land, it never was.>> I honestly do not understand how you could say this.

-Millions of palestinians were dispossesed, without compensation. Their land was, in effect, stolen from them by the Israeli government.
-Since the Palestinians lost the majority of their assets in the takeover, they had no place to go. No country in its right mind accepts millions of dead-broke refugees on a moment's notice (SEE: US-Mexican border).
-Having left the Palestinians peniless and in the gutter, the Israelis then enacted laws to keep them that way. Contemplate, if you will, the repercussions of being legally barred from owning land. How do you build a life when you aren't even allowed to own property? How do you start a business, or build a factory?

The Palestinians had everything taken away from them, and they have been denied any chance to rebuild a semblance of a normal life. And you think all this has no relevence? If so, I'm afraid that your ideology is interfering with your logic.

Time to move on for the evening. We'll continue this later, I'm sure.
Gunjack "Turncoat" Valentine
Saturday, April 6, 2002 10:50:31 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

sj>> it must be nice to see everything so cleanly cut but.. im afraid you have some facts a little out of whack here.

if YOU want to support a state born from terrorist action, a man who has been found guilty of allowing the massacre of between 400 and 800 refugees, the nation which elected him as their leader, a military which denies passage to hospitals of women in labour, forcing them to walk 8 hours in the mud and arrive with dead babies - or arrive in critical condition with bullet wounds for the crime of trying to get to a hospital, if you want to support a government which openly discriminates against those members not of their ethnic background, if you want to support extrajudicial excecutions of civillians, and the use of innocent civillians as human shields in armed conflict, you can go right ahead. but you wont find me or the rest of the civilized world (including, if you hadnt noticed, your precious president) standing behind you.

countless un resolutions have reaffirmed the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for liberation from colonial domination and alien subjection, “by all available means including armed struggle”. and before you come along and try to throw the old "terrorism is the use of armed attacks against non-combatants" line, you might want to remember that youre a member of a western country that, by the above definition, is pretty far up there on the list of terrorist-supporting states. *coughcoughisraelcoughcough*

no, i do NOT support suicide bombings. (maybe i should repeat that later, in case you forget or dont actually READ my post, as per usual) but remember, they are SUICIDES. these people have nothing better to live for. 75% of them live on less than 2$ per day. 60% of the children in gaza have (often) fatal and preventable parasitic infections which, because of their squalid conditions, remain untreated. there are *4.5 MILLION* palestinian refugees worldwide.
you might come out and say "well, how can the israelis be asked to make peace with a people who wont recognize their right to exist?" conversely, however, you could say "how can the palestinians be asked to make peace with a people who wont recognize their right to exist?" (*remember the not supporting suicide bombings still? okay, good. just checking..)
israel decides the rights a person born in their country will have at birth. palestinians and children of palestinian descent can have citizenship, and are allowed to vote, but they are denied the right to hold land and compensation for military service.
700,000 palestinians were made homeless when the jews moved in, and the israelis have made a point of systematically destroying their homes so they can never return. the palestinians have been offered little to no compensation for being unceremoniously booted off the land they have lived on since 640ce, and the rest of the western world sits by and thinks this is okay. why? because the jews wrote a book that fluffed up their egoes and told them they were the "chosen ones" of GOD. therefore, this obviously means they can treat everyone else however they want. sounds reasonable to me.

"i have no doubt how much terrorism can be uprooted... we were also terrorists once and they couldnt uproot us.. despite all the efforts of all the british army in the land, we went on with terrorism"
- leah rabin, 11 dec, 1997

tempra la cetra e canta
il inno di morte
a noi si schiude il ciel
volano al raggious
lain
not, the frying pan
Saturday, April 6, 2002 10:26:20 PM
IP: 64.228.193.155

DPH > Avalon Mists is a Gargoyles webzine, started by Jill Morrison, who passed it to Leva, who passed it to me, and now it's Stephen's project. You can find it on the Gargoyles-Fans site, clickie clickie.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, April 6, 2002 09:43:22 PM
IP: 67.226.61.166

Well I'm back. The whole time everyone was in the field I was stuck in a kitchen making their meals...and if one of them complain...well no desert for him. :P
BTW I was reading St. Patrick's Gargoyle and it actually makes a reference to the Cartoon show. When I read it I laughed, people stared, it was funny.

Spacebabie- Jury duty, that's probably going to be a welcome home present to me from CA state when I get out of the army. How fun.

Time Travel- So many theories come to mind. It's a hobby of mine I guess. Just trying to think of how it works (of course the only way to really know is to try and then...who knows). My mind's so full I can't even say what my thoughts are on Time Travel, they won't sit still.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Saturday, April 6, 2002 07:04:13 PM
IP: 172.195.47.230

Well, here's food for thought:

Howcome none of the surrounding Arab nations would allow Palestinians into their territory after they told them to flee Israel while they tried to destroy it back in the 50's?
Acheron
Saturday, April 6, 2002 06:17:10 PM
IP: 24.69.255.204

****warning: politically incorrect viewpoint

About Israel/Palestine. "F%$& 'em both"

Sharone(sp?)is doing to the palestinians exactly what the Hitler did to the jews.
Anonymous
Saturday, April 6, 2002 05:57:04 PM
IP: 172.135.164.146

*comes out fo lurk mode*
tribun> Israel isn't all to blame (but fo the most part, perhaps). When the UN approached with a treaty, neither Pelstein nor Israel wanted to split Jerusalem. They both hate each other; it's not just anti-semtism over there (though it is everywhere else, especially France).
So, as from the peace treaty that was proposed, both are equally responsible for perpetuating the war.
Of course, the anti-war group here at my school didn't like the fact that I scoffed their ant-Israel protest idea because of the way I felt about the whole thing and saidf if there was going to ber a useless protest, it should be against the whole thing since both sides are greedy and are uselessly sacrificing lives for land. Oh well.
*goes back into lurk mode*

metaldemon
Saturday, April 6, 2002 04:28:26 PM
IP: 24.219.166.91

A typical American thinking: Support Israel at any cost.

Here my opinion about this whole thing:

-That the murderer of thousends of Palestinians refugees in the 80's is now prime minister of Israel is shocking.

-The jewish settlers in the West Bank steal the Land from the Palestinians.

-The state Israel does everything to worsen the living conditions of the Palestinians.

I think,Isreal had to leave the West Bank and had to leave all the settlements.(In my opinion, they are very illegal)

And I speak of facts. (And don't think I say this,only because I'm a German. I really hate neo-nazis oder fascists, they are dangerous pleb.)
Tribun - [joachim_henkel@gmx.net]
Luebeck, SH, Germany
Saturday, April 6, 2002 03:38:27 PM
IP: 62.214.33.233

<<Having examined the evidence, I've come to the conclusion that Israel is a fascist state. >>

No, they're tired of the bullshit. They're tired of the Palestinians, who almost to the last of them are rabidly anti-Semitic, strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up Israelis because Palestine wants to kill every Jew they can find.

It's not desparation or retaliation on the hands of the Palestinians. Bottom line, they hate JEWS, and there's a whole nation of them right next door, so they're gonna kill as many of them as possible.

It's not about land, it never was.

I wish we weren't such big pussies in this country. Frankly, I'd like for one of two things to happen: we, the US of A, step back and let Israel do what they want with Palestine, or failing that, Israel just tells us to shove it anyway and goes and does what they want with Palestine.

It's the same goddamn problem as with 9-11. If you don't DO anything about terrorism, it bites you on your ass. Now Israel wants desparately to do something out the terrorism on its soil, and we're too chicken shit to let them do it.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Saturday, April 6, 2002 03:08:54 PM
IP: 207.172.11.147

Dangit, forgot my quote.

Interviewer: So, you drew the germans as cats and the jews as mice. What animal would you use for the Israelis?
Speigalman: I have no idea. Porcupines?
-Art Speigalman, "Maus, Part II"
V
Saturday, April 6, 2002 01:36:07 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

It's been an eventful week.

Wednesday: Exams in Interational Relations and biology. I still don't know what the heck a platelet is.Finished the SR basic mesh, and tried my hand at a little skinning. Skinning is fun.

Thursday: Another exam, this time in Art History. I'm a little unsure about some of the artists, but not too bad.
So there I am on a lazy thursday night, typing on my computer, minding my own business, when an RA and TWO COPS decide to, y'know, RANDOMLY SEARCH MY ROOM. Apparently, someone had stolen basketballs from the Gym, so they were going door to door and searching every room in the hall.
Nothin makes an evening complete like a little indescriminate privacy violation...

And speaking of random abuse of power, how bout those crazy Israelis? Yesterday's highlight was when they pelted a group of british and american reporters with flash/bang grenades and rubber bullets. The reporters were gathered to cover the arrival of one "General Zinni", who was supposed to meet with Arafat. Apparently, the friendly IDF troopers in the area didn't appreciate press coverage. A (literally) bang-up time was had by all, and even after the media types were retreating, the IDFers fired rubber bullets into their vehicles. After finding their escape routes blocked at several points, the reporters were stopped by a helpful Israeli APC, who relieved them of press passes and in some cases passports. Supposedly, one american news crew was even escorted from Ramallah.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/04/05/holmes.otsc/index.html

This is, of course, entirely seperate from the several recent cases of IDF roadblock crews preventing ambulences and women in labor from reaching medical attention, multiple cases of palestinian civilians (and allegedly foriegn reporters) being fired upon with live ammunition, and other fun stuff.
Having examined the evidence, I've come to the conclusion that Israel is a fascist state. A pity, too... They make such GOOD guns... In any case, the IDF is either out of control, or someone at the top is gunning for a "heartless bastard" award. Anyone wanna place bets on how long Israel lasts?

PS: Anyone heard of Indynews? Most of the above was from CNN and such, but this Indynews joint had some TRULY spicy material...
Gunjack "Billy Goat Gruff" Valentine
Saturday, April 6, 2002 01:29:51 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

::DPH arrives with belt over his shoulder and around his. On the belt are nuclear grenades. Each one has an exploding radius of 200 yards with a 2 second timer so unless you plan on setting a new world record for sprinting or have a working teleporter, don't set them off.::

Sorry about that, but when I do find out who in heck is messing with one of my programs I am working on, I want to be prepared. Unlike suicide bombers, I do plan on suriving after taking out a city block.

**TECHNICAL COMPLAINTS**
Why in heck am I mad? Code is that is supposed to copying a binary file isn't. I have checked everywhere to ensure that every time I read data in, I output the exact same data. The binary file contains information for a scenario for a game. I'm mad about it not working. I suspect I may have a corrupted file - data is in the wrong places.
**END TECHNICAL COMPLAINTS**

Ravyn - Amish virus - very funny.

Jan - Are you sure? A man will get might angry when his precious sleep is interrupted. <However, you CAN unplug the phone and just have an answering machine available in the morning hours> He has threated to come by in person if he can't reach me by phone. I would have to change locks and unplug the phones if I didn't want to be woke up. Are you sure that you didn't give Imzadi any ideas?

In other news, I discovered that the local WB and Pax affliates apparantly switched channel numbers so I now I can pick up the WB.

Imzadi - <Then, after classes were over, I had the luxury of filling out my GE employment forms.> Did you have any "voluntary" forms to fill out? Ones about what your race was? <You have to get used to it, otherwise you're always bitter.> Which begs one question: when in heck is the best time to buy a pc or upgrades for an existing pc? <I'm getting rather good at filtering them out.> Since I possess a kind heart, I need to make sure I am making the right decision by ignoring it. Yes, I can see an ad on tv about some charity wanting money and never, ever feel guilty. <Relative to what?> anything. I was thinking about the Heizenburg Uncertainity principle. Of course, I would have to wonder if that would still be "true" if I could time-travel. The first time I observe the object I detect its position with incredible accurary. Then, I travel back in time to measure its velocity with incredible accuracy since I already knew its position.

Daphne - Happy birthday.

Mooncat - <old, old scam. only the names change.> Thanks. Inside I am a kind-hearted person to a certain degree.

Shadowrider - <SOMEHOW POLITICALLY RELATED CONSIDERATIONS> No offense, but I hope you were venting some steam because I could not understand what in heck you were talking about.

Stephen Sobotka - I might have to invest some time to determine what exactly "Avalon Mists" is.

Jonathan - <why does the Grimorum (sp?) warn the Timedancer against changing history?> Easy answer: how could anyone "prove" history is immutable without the use of the Phoenix Gate? ::has some inspired thoughts about events that Brooklyn probably wouldn't want to happen, but he has to set up::

Gside - <From the standpoint of relativity or absolute 0?> Neither, from the standing point of the Heizenburg Uncertainity Principle.

Winged Beast - <but is there any date up by which we can reasonably expect new TGS eps up?> Check the current episode page. Spring 2002 does not end until June 20.

Damn it. I wish they were more people posting to I would have more stuff to respond to.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, April 6, 2002 12:18:45 PM
IP: 204.94.193.34

Friday's should be good, what with no classes and all. Unfortunately, I had to attend office hours for transportation engineering to learn how to do my homework, and that really frustrated me. I basically have the answers, and I still know the assignment will take hours.

Then I went on a "field trip" across campus for project management, and we toured the construction site of the new central dining facility. It's gonna feature a mongolian grill. Of course, with Grade D meat served by the university, its sure to suck. Anyway, I have three weeks to write a paper on that. Fun fun.

So I'll be working my butt off this weekend.

I finally solved my iTunes skipping problem. The solution was to hard-wire my computer to a new airport base station, so I have a physical internet connection. Apparently, the problem is only caused by airport use. So I'll call Apple tomorrow and demand some compensation.

They'll probably tell me "tough luck, wait for a new software update".

replies

Mooncat: <<How did we manage without your stellar wit?>>: Well, it looked to me like the room was rather slow and dull, so I'd say you didn't. Besides, don't get your panties in a bunch, I was just kidding. You're the one who said you couldn't type and chew bubble gum.

Warpmind: <<Pipe of Stoning>>: Isn't that redundant?

Christine: <<we all know it's part of my Machiavellian plot to pick on poor misunderstood SJ, remember?>>: LOL.

Archwolf: <<So what kind of calls do we take?>>: HAHA. That's like when I work MacTank and get calls from PC-idiots trying to hook up their service. <<whattheheck, when did we become the MicroshaftWhine-line?>>: When you signed up to help idiots at college campuses use their computers. <<installin starcraft>>: Sweet! We should play sometime. <<the Beaurocracy that keeps the nation running must be maintained?>>: This is a private corporation. <>: I hear you. My ram is maxed out, but I'd love bigger drives (even though mine are less than half full) and faster processors. <<but crucial (the only guys i buy from) didn't release their stick until a week after i got all my parts>>: Crucial's prices aren't very good. I never buy from the cheapest dealer, but Crucial is a bit high of the industry average for me. I usually buy just above industry average. <>: Can't really argue with that. It's my opinion though that macs are as customizable as you want to make them. The towers designed for easy swapping of drives, cards, even processors (if you can find replacement processors). iMacs and 'books don't really lend themselves to that, but that's because of their target audience. Laptops are rarely that customizable, no matter who makes them. <>: That's a lousy argument. I'm using a three-button scroller now. Mice are cheap. <<However since I have no real artistic ability, that ain'tl likely to happen>>: I don't either. I use macs because I'd finally had enough with Windows crap back in '95, and as far as I can see the stupidity of the interface hasn't improved at all. <<some people just should not be allowed to own computers...some of these calls are just stupid>>: Don't you just love tech support? Believe me, a cubicle this summer is gonna be a relief!

Spacebabie: I just checked out your website. Very informative. <<he said I looked like Drew Barrymore>>: The thin one or the fat one? <>: I have so many foul comments for this...none of them are CR appropriate. <<it was kinda rubbing against the inside of my cheek.>>: Again, no comment. <>: NO! Giving away nukes is BAD. <<Me?>>: Not quite. <<In a box on the coffe table in the living room. In a box in a cabinet over the stove, in a box behind the toilet….>>: How about "in breasts"? <<When I say a guy is a cutie it’s a compliment>>: Well thank you then. <<Where???>>: About a 20 minute walk from my apartment. <<Papers on field trips aren’t so bad>>: a 5 page engineering paper can be a killer.

Spike: <<always assuming everyone's against you>>: Isn't that just paranoia?

Anonymous: DIE.

Jan: <<who says landscaping is a difficult job?>>: My gardener. <>: Everyone run!!! <>: Oh, come off it. You dropped him. <<your job sounds interesting and humorous>>: No more than mine, trust me. <<The dipwads were out in droves this time>>: I'll refrain from making jokes about the South. <<shafty>>: That's "shady". <<being male, I would hope that Wilek has a Mr. Thingy>>: Wait, does that mean you're male or Wilek is male? Cuz I believe Wilek to be asexual. <<No male should be without Mr. Thingy>>: If they are, are they really a male? <>: No comment. <<and apparently access to some of their female friends>>: Somehow, I don't think it'll be that easy. The girls I'll be living with won't find me attractive enough to ditch their fiancees. <<How long does their stipend last?>>: The whole time I'm there, pretty much. <<My sister relocated to the San Frans area and receives a $3,000 a month stipend for the higher cost of living – but it only lasts for 3 years>>: Hey, that's not bad. But you'd never get me to move into that hellhole. <<After that, she has to pay the $3,500 per month mortgage on her own>>: Yes, but she'll have plenty of money saved up. <<personally I think she made a stupid move financially>>: I agree. I'd rather keep the housing stipend paid by the company to a minimum, since you have to pay income taxes on that. <<She has been gainfully employed since graduating college several years ago and makes the big bucks>>: That's my plan too ;-) <<How separate or private would your room be? Do you have access to it from the outside?>>: It's part of the house, and I'd have to share a bathroom with one of the couples living there. I'd also have to walk through the whole house to get to it. <<Josh saw boobies!!>>: Just 2, though ;-) <>: I like bouncing them. But I'm considering forwarding them all to pacific bell. <<This is a scam - he only wants to see your boobs>>: Ooh, sorry. That was me. <>: At $5/day, its a waste of a day. My time is much more valuable than that.

Ravyn: <>: I was gonna say... <<it was kinda interesting, although just a bit over my head>>: There's nothing I love better than attending a lecture about math, or listening to any scientific lecture/movie/whatever, where everyone around me has no clue and wants to kill me for following every word. One of the proud moments that geeks get. <>: I think the problem is that you didn't get out there enough. You have to really reach, and send applications to EVERYONE. I mean, I didn't think I had a shot in the world at GE, but I applied anyway because my talents were close enough to MechE (they didn't even want CivE's). If you want, I'd be happy to go through my school's interview database and send you addresses of people to contact. You might even get to travel a bit. <<now I really find it hard to be optimistic about *anything.*>>: I know what you mean. I think being an engineer makes it worse, because you spend a lot of time dealing with what happens when people screw up. <<my economics teacher is trying to convince me to minor in economics>>: Now just figure out how to put it together with engineering, and you'll have something that you enjoy *and* you're good at.

Gside: <<Or, for a less drastic change, there's always AMD>>: Ah, good point. Forgot about them. <<You'd think so, because it's allegedly useful, but the professor could have been deluding himself.>>: Sounds like an engineering class to me. Or a humanities class taken by a engineer. <<would black silk and lace be all that out of place?>>: No, I guess not. <<you admit you want me to glomp you?>>: You said meet. You didn't say anything about glomping. <<With our difference in size, that might kill you>>: I know that. Hence my avoidance of the east coast. <<Sannuti. The undergraduate advisor of ECE, and the guy who's made me get up early for the past two semesters>>: Why don't you just take a different class? <<Homework finished before the due date? That scares me>>: Sometimes necessary for serious relaxation. <<Don't say that to him>>: Too late. <<He'll just start up on the misconceptions of macs again>>: No, it is not a misconception that macs ship with one button. That is fact. But it is also fact that you can swap that mouse for any other USB mouse. <<in the freezer with my fun sock>>: You keep your fun sock in the freezer? <<he jacked off Gary Larson>>: Wilek jacked off Gary Larson!? I thought he was asexual! <<After four years in the department, I haven't gotten an internship yet. Granted, I haven't tried very hard>>: Well then you can't expect much.

Wingedbeast: <<is there any date up by which we can reasonably expect new TGS eps up?>>: Nope.

Grrr...tired. Cursed early mornings are preventing me from staying up late.

I got pistol whipped at laser tag.
- Aaron Wheeler, at Gathering 2001

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, April 6, 2002 02:54:14 AM
IP: 64.170.152.191

I was going to make a rather involved post tonight, but it's way too late. tomorrow. *yawns, and falls asleep on a deep stack of weapon sketches*
Gunjack "Zzzzzz" Valentine
Saturday, April 6, 2002 02:36:51 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

*peeks back in*

Wingedbeast> I'm workin on the next one now. Schools been hectic, but is easing. I dnot know how long it will take to finish, but i'm _hoping_ for the end of may. It depends on if i can find a proofer, and if my characters cooperate. I find that when i write late at night, then look over what i've written in the morning, there are passages inthere that look like "You stupid writer, i'd never say somethin like this!" I swear, they really are alive.

Well, i've got several hours of church conference tomorrow and sunday, so I'm going to skip out without replying more. Not that i've forgotten or am trying to be rude. Just need sleep.

Love you Luminous.
*Fizzles*

Archwolf - [thearchwolf@hotmail.com]
Saturday, April 6, 2002 01:53:11 AM
IP: 137.148.202.39

Okay, it's been a while since this has come up, but is there any date up by which we can reasonably expect new TGS eps up?

And, Archwolf, is there any reasonable date by which we can expect you to continue your Gargoyles/Werewolf:The Apocalypse crossover?

Both damn good serieses that I'm itching to see more of. :)
Wingedbeast - [wingedbeast@hotmail.com]
Saturday, April 6, 2002 01:03:20 AM
IP: 207.179.193.101

Imzadi> <<Switch to mac>>: Or, for a less drastic change, there's always AMD.
<<Are you an engineer?>>: You'd think so, because it's allegedly useful, but the professor could have been deluding himself.
<<Tight black leather is more appropriate for Rocky>>: True, but would black silk and lace be all that out of place?
<<Who?>>: Krista Perry, author of Hears of Ice. Essentially the Christine Morgan of the Ranma fandom, but with TGS style delays. Or would that be Wilekian lag?
<<Sadly, that doesn't look to happen anytime soon>>: So, you admit you want me to glomp you? With our difference in size, that might kill you.
<<More importantly, you learn to ignore it>>: That is my preferred coping mechanism, but there are others who deal with it differently.
<<an engineer that forgets the quadratic formula is like...stupid>>: Sannuti. The undergraduate advisor of ECE, and the guy who's made me get up early for the past two semesters.

Warpmind> <<Nobody notice that little something I lsipped into my last post?>>: Nope, but looking back, I see you now live in Naughty instead of Norway.
<<Should all else fail, Mr. Hurt and Mr. Doohickey can always be used for experiments on DC, eh?>>: Absolutely. And he should be integral to the testing processes of both devices.
<<And I believe Wilek may have Mr. Thingy>>: As did I, but I wanted confirmation first. He did keep the carrot from the original model, no?

Archwolf> <<Even exhausted my backlog of homeowrk>>: Homework finished before the due date? That scares me.
<>: Thank you.
<>: Don't say that to him. He'll just start up on the misconceptions of macs again.

Spacebabie> <<Yeah he has his own brand of soups in the market now>>: But does Legal Seafood have a brand yet?
<<Conner is Groo>>: The Aragonés character?
<<in a box behind the toilet….>>: I'm thinking of moving mine in the freezer with my fun sock.

Jan> <<being male, I would hope that Wilek has a Mr. Thingy>>: Wilek may very well repent of the Mr. Thingy to which you refer, but the Mr. Thingy he jacked off Gary Larson will have to be pried from his cold, dead hands.

Ravyn> <<Plus no one will hire me for an engineering internship ... :( I must suck at engineering, and don't know it>>: After four years in the department, I haven't gotten an internship yet. Granted, I haven't tried very hard.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, April 6, 2002 12:24:32 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

I just had to post this!!!

********From the "Daily Press" *********
*********(local newspaper for the Virginia pinennsula including Hampton, Newport News, and Williamsburg)**********

Apr 5, 2002

"GIRL STOPS FLASHER WITH QUICK ACTION"

**A 12-year-old girl confronted
by a man exposing himself in an
elevator reacted quickly: She
grabbed his zipper and yanked
up.
**The incident happened Mon-
day night in an elevator at the
Suburban Lodge, said city police
spokesman Mike Carey.
**The man was injured, and the
girl ran out of the elevator and
found her stepfather to tell him
what happened, Carey said.
**The stepfather found the sus-
pect running from the building,
and the two men fought before
the suspect broke free and ran
away.
**Carey said police were check-
ing area hospitals because the
man lost blood and probably
needed medical treatment.
**Police said the girl was
unharmed.

****END*****
Leo
Yorktown, VA
Friday, April 5, 2002 10:18:29 PM
IP: 172.160.21.60

I feel like such a nerd today ... well, I am, so ... heh heh ... anyway, Happy Math Awareness Week, all! I actually went to a talk today about mathematics and mapping the human genome, and it was kinda interesting, although just a bit over my head ... of course, I got extra credit in my math class for going to any math event this week, so ... that's why I went ... ;)

Jan> <<Why yes I’m moving on with my life quite nicely.>> **giggles** Love the chainsaw bit!!! Go for it, girl! ;) Seriously, though ... **hugs** Sorry, and I'm always here if you need someone to rant to! ;) Oh, and Coyote says hi, BTW. :) Thank you for the job advice as well ... no, the job I'm at right now has *nothing* to do with my future career. ;) <<I’m sure you’d find another job to replace this one>> The bad thing is that I really can't right now ... the university area is having huge job cuts ... and the places that are hiring don't pay as well and aren't my thing.

Plus no one will hire me for an engineering internship ... :( I must suck at engineering, and don't know it. ;) Anyway ... maybe it's just my current location, who knows. I dunno anymore.

Shadowrider> I completely understand what you said about the world today and all that ... I remember a time too, when I thought about what the future would be like, and really believed it would be better, and that people would finally grow up and learn to get along with each other more ... now I really find it hard to be optimistic about *anything.* Oh, well. Hopefully I'll regain that optimism ... wait, that's being optimistic, isn't it? ;)

Spacebabie> Glad you survived the dentist with no problems! ;) Luckily, I don't have a fear of dentists either, since my dentist back home was very nice and almost a friend of the family (yay, small town!) ;) However, I *do* have a problem with needles ... I make sure to warn doctors if there's any needles involved with anything being done to me that I can't handle 'em, and don't want to know when they do it or explain it to me or anything. I just want to be surprised and get it over with ASAP. And the last few times I've needed anything with needles involved, it's worked rather well to warn the doctors ... they've been pretty good about workin' with me and tellin' me when to shut my eyes and *never* open them ... ;)

And my economics teacher is trying to convince me to minor in economics ... apparently, I'm pretty good at it ... plus I really like the subject. :)

I saw the preview for Disney's new animated movie for this summer called "Lilo and Stitch" today ... the preview was rather cute, I'll give it that. It parodied "The Lion King." :)

Coyote> Love ya! :)

Couldn't resist this:

Silly E-mail: THE AMISH VIRUS

You have just received the Amish Virus. Since we do not have electricity nor computers, you are on the Honor System.
Please delete all of your files. Thank Thee...
Ravyn
Friday, April 5, 2002 09:35:08 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

*Walks in wielding a chain saw* who says landscaping is a difficult job? ;) I have a chain saw and I’ve learned how to use it. Mawhahaha *points the chain saw in the direction of Belgium* A certain Belgian is next on my list of activities with a chain saw. Yes, I would like to have his testicles on a stick, thankyouverymuch.
Why yes I’m moving on with my life quite nicely.

Rayvn> hmmm.. it doesn’t sound like the potential job is a good idea. You’d take on more responsibility and work hours and yet not receive any of the benefits or extra pay… nope, don’t do it. If they want to fire you then it would be a blessing in disguise. Afterall, this isn’t a career job you’re working at right now, right? So, no big loss – I’m sure you’d find another job to replace this one =)

Archwolf> *L* your job sounds interesting and humorous ;) At the sheriff’s dept, we were all glad when it was no longer a full moon. The dipwads were out in droves this time.

Stephen> even though I’m not a reader of Avalon Mists – I have my doubts that anyone (with any sense) would think that you ousted Christine or that there was anything shafty about her leaving. She announced for many months prior that she was going to step down as the editor and asked people to step up to the plate, so to speak. I’m sure you are going to do a great job : ) As everyone else has said, I do recall Christine “begging” people to get fics turned in so that there would be something to publish. This is a difficult time because of the scheduling of spring breaks.

Shadowrider> HIYA! =) I received your email today and thank you!!!! Your support and protectiveness brought tears to my eyes. *hugs* Oooo *hugs you again* that was nice ;)
I certainly know what you mean about wanting to find a hole somewhere and just crawl in it for a while. I get tired of everything that is going on around me and I just want to close it all out for a period of time. Actually, I do that on occasion – I won’t watch the news, read the paper, etc. I will cocoon myself for a while and take a breather. I know that eventually I’ll have to come out and face the RL again – but it’s nice to take a break once in a while. I see enough of the local crime during the day to make the rest of the world’s crime and problems even less desirable to know about.

Warpmind> <<And I believe Wilek may have Mr. Thingy.>> ohmy… ummm… being male, I would hope that Wilek has a Mr. Thingy *nods* No male should be without Mr. Thingy.

Spacebabie> dentist experience: *shudders* You are much better patient that I ever was. I start becoming ill just walking into the front door of the dentist’s office. My mouth starts hurting, my gums become sore, and I get physically sick to my stomach. My dentist learned quickly to give me the headsets immediately and not tell me his step-by-step procedures. I close my eyes and turn up the music on the headset. I can’t open my mouth very wide due to the TMJ, but at least I’m not a biter. Hehe

Josh> <<Apparently a couple of girls that work at GE are renting out a room in their massive townhouse>> and apparently access to some of their female friends ;) How long does their stipend last? My sister relocated to the San Frans area and receives a $3,000 a month stipend for the higher cost of living – but it only lasts for 3 years. After that, she has to pay the $3,500 per month mortgage on her own. She loves it there, but personally I think she made a stupid move financially. She’s an exec for Clorox.
Who mentioned the economics degree? I can’t remember… anyway, that is what Karen, my sister has and she has done very well with it. She has been gainfully employed since graduating college several years ago and makes the big bucks.
Back to the housing situation… it sounds like a sweet deal for you. How separate or private would your room be? Do you have access to it from the outside?
<<Her breasts aren't that great. I've seen better. In the last few days.>> *giggles* Josh saw boobies!!

DPH> I can’t hit the delete button fast enough when I receive those stupid spams.
I know that you were only kidding about the restraining order, but as someone else said earlier…. No, you can’t get one to keep your dad from waking you up. *chuckles* However, you CAN unplug the phone and just have an answering machine available in the morning hours. ;)
Speaking of spams, though.. I received this one today (a joke ;) )
Ø SEND THIS WARNING TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST!!!
>
> If a man comes to your front door and says he is conducting a survey and
> asks you to show him your boobs, DO NOT show him your boobs!
>
> This is a scam - he only wants to see your boobs!
>
> I wish I'd gotten this yesterday. I feel so stupid.

<<Why does everyone want to avoid jury duty?>> I dunno… I’ve been on a lot of juries and have found each of them very interesting and sometimes entertaining. I don’t consider it a waste of a day – it’s a civic duty and a small price to pay for the country in which we live in. *hears Star Spangle Banner playing in the background*

L. Aphrodite > (Anyone wanna buy 775 SS#'s????GOING CHEAP!) Heh, there’s a chicken factory here that a lot of the employees would gladly pay a cheaper price than what they already do for stolen SS #s. Our detectives have been busting up the rings of stolen identities for the past several weeks. What’s really stupid is that one lady that had bought a stolen SS# was caught because she used the number when checking into the hospital and then didn’t pay the bill. The rightful owner of the SS# was contacted for payment and that’s when she discovered that it had been stolen. So, if you are going to steal someone else’s identity – pay your bills so that attention is not drawn to you. It’s the same as the people who are here illegally and then go out and drink and drive… sure, get deported because you are too stupid to do your drinking without driving. Most of our INS holds are a result of being caught by DWIs or C&I driving.

Anonymous> <> Thank you. I hope you had a nice day too.

Syrn> <<Gahh Gina got voted off Survivor!>> I know! Eesh… I really felt bad for her and that tribe. =( So many jerks in the other tribe and they had to get rid of one of the “good ones”.
SPOILER FOR SURVIVOR
Did you see where they are going to combine the tribes next week? I saw that on a preview. Should be interesting to see them all together and see how many knives are stuck in the backs.
END SPOILER

Dumb criminal for the week:
This guy stole a checkbook from Mrs. Smith. He took a check to a local convenience store and had written out the check for $40 and forged her signature. He told the store owner that Mrs. Smith had paid him for some yard work. The store owner told him not to put his name on the check in the “Pay to the order of” because that would make it a 2-party check…. So he filled in the name of the store there (remember, this is a small community where most people know each other and the store owner knew the guy) Anyway, instead of putting his name in the “pay to the order of” he wrote his name in the “for:” area. (in the lower left corner) *blinks* So kiddies, rule number one when forging a stolen check – do NOT write your real name on the check. The guy is now in jail awaiting court. *LOL*
If he hadn’t put his name on the check, the owner probably wouldn’t have remembered who cashed the check.

Fresh from the teletype on National Security issues:

“The white-supremacist group, Aryan Nations (AN) has announced plans to commemorate Hitler’s birthday with a gathering in Penn Park in the small town of York, PA on April 20, 2002. Although officials in York refused to issue the group a permit, AN leaders have vowed to proceed with the event. The AN rally could lead to potential conflict with counter-demonstrators, specifically members of a group known as Anti-Racist Action (ARA), which has engaged in violence while protesting right wing rallies in the past.”

Also noted:

“There are indications that Al-Qaeda leaders discussed the possibility of renting apartment units in various areas of the USA and rigging them with explosives. The FBI has no information indicating that this proposed plot advanced beyond the discussion stage. The FBI is working with other intelligence agencies to determine the credibility of this information.
Anniversary dates of potential significance:
April 19 & 20 – marks the anniversary that may be significant to extremists in the USA.
April 19 – has assumed an historical importance to right wing extremists in the US, stemming in part of the date during the colonial period fought on April 19, 1775. (the battles of Lexington and Concorde) On April 19, 1993, members of the Branch Davidians perished in Waco, TX. On April 19, 1995, a truck bomb destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah building in OKC.”
April 20’s significance is stated above.

This is for real – it came in today at the office. A few weeks ago, we received the color-coded Homeland security alerts. Kind of weird, since we heard about it on the news and such and then to _actually_ have it confirmed officially… just kind of weird.

Time to get some work done around the house. Anna, my mom and I are going to a neighboring town for a “city wide garage sale” hehe Zach’s first garage sales *wipes proud tear*

I am in the mood for some meatloaf… I wonder if I have the ingredients to make it….
Jan
Friday, April 5, 2002 09:16:09 PM
IP: 12.110.236.65

Hi all! Today was 'intersting'. Found out I passed my Spanish test, but that was cuz the lab assistant/grader was giving everyone double the bonus eight points the teacher allowed. So with sixteen points i got a 74 percent. *woopdidoo* Uhm, I hope that little sixteen number stays there in the grade book. We're reviewing for our final now in Spanish class and we're doing two freakin chapters a day. Basically the Final is on the ENTIRE book. Personally, I think this is unfair, cuz we took a final on HALF the dang book last semester. Why do we need to repeat that process again??? Twelve chapters! 200+ pages of spanish grammar and reflexive verbs and indicatives and imperatives, and whatnot. Ugh*slumps head to desk* Not enjoyable. Then I get to work and find out I've a gigantic data entry *a monkey could do this job* type of work assignment. Involves finding social security numbers and matching em up with the corresponding names of students here. (Anyone wanna buy 775 SS#'s????GOING CHEAP!) (Laffing maniacly: they made the mistake of giving me the power to get all my money back through blackmarket social numbers! Woohoo!) (sighs* Just kidding *man sometimes i HATE having a conscience and being trustworthy*) So then I took an hour off work and ran to the bank only to find out it was closed and I couldn't deposit my loan check so I can't pay off the creditors that are beating down my door!* *Sighs* Anyways-I'm off to break into my room (did i mention I locked the keys inside the room when I went to grab my check and my wallet to go to the bank?) Got back late to work...and here I am. Well, I'm off. Wish me luck. *LOVE TO ARCHWOLF*

Smiles*
Luminous Aphrodite
Friday, April 5, 2002 07:33:54 PM
IP: 207.42.162.230

Hi to all I hope you had a nice day. ^_^
Anonymous
Friday, April 5, 2002 04:20:25 PM
IP: 205.188.200.52

Correction:

I meant "Luckily, that's NOT always the case..."

(I'm such a butterfingers on the keyboard today... oy.)
Spike
Friday, April 5, 2002 02:54:15 PM
IP: 66.137.131.22

Stephen>> You've just illustrated a classic trait of most introverts: the old 'us against them' syndrome -- always assuming everyone's against you. Luckily, that's always the case and if you'll just take a few moments to breathe and re-group, you'll find that people will submit things to AvMists in time to meet the deadline.

Besides, I'll let you have your choice of the poster designs I did that Siryn and the G'02 crew decode not to use. *laughs* And how they wound up being TGS themed pics, I'll never know.
Spike
Friday, April 5, 2002 02:52:06 PM
IP: 66.137.131.22

I have to say this..

THANKYOU VERY VERY VERY much to all the artists who have (and if you're doing stuff last minute you're still included!) entered the gatheirng contest. I really appreciate the help and support from everyone with the contests, and well, honestly guys, we wouldn't have a t-shirt or calendar without your contributions, so good job!!

You can still give me entries, and for the calendar contest, if you need the weekend to finish, just drop me an email to let me know. :) (Don't worry about asking for time..I totally understand about not having enough time!!)

But yes..it takes everyone's contribution in this fandom to make a great convention.. (to even keep this fandom going!) So..everyone, whether you entered something or not..thankyou for supportign the fandom and gatheirng!

Sorry..Just had to say that. ^_^;;;

Stephen> Ack..luv. Ummm I may be wrong..but accusing people of not submitting because they're against you may not be the best way to get entries. ^_^;;;;;; (I also agree with Christine, moving up deadlines is also hard on people)

Searching and asking arund, you have to do it sometimes. ^_^ (Honestly, a lot of people sometimes don't realize deadlines are close etc, and it always helps to give a nice reminder.)

But pushing people and accusing them of going against you _ISN'T_ the way to get entries. When I suggested that you encourage and make an announcement, I didn't mean to accuse people of going against you. O.o;;;;;; There are positive and negative forms of PR..and trying to make people feel sorry for you so that they enter submissions isn't the best of ways.. :/

Gahh Gina got voted off Survivor! Oh well...I liked her too.. ;P *sigh* I'm starting to think whoever I like gets voted off.. (I really wanted Maraamu to win immunity!!! I LOVED all four of those people!)

Oh well. ^_^;;

Heheh..Gargoyles 'Survivor!" Now THAT"S an interesting thought. >:) (although probably someone already has. ;)

If you have questions or comments about the gathering, let me know!
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Friday, April 5, 2002 12:16:29 PM
IP: 129.21.153.75

Well I went to the dentist yesterday. It was a different dentist that worked on me and he said I looked like Drew Barrymore Well I need a crown. So he numbed me up very gently. I assured him I wasn’t afraid of needles. Then he drilled the tooth so the crown would fit, then stuck some cotton in my mouth and used a sting to separate tooth from gum then took an impression I bit down on this gooey stuff that made me want to gag, or was that the Backstreet music playing in the background?? Then he after the gunk hardened into wax like stuff he fit on a temporary crown witch is silver.

I got to eat Wolfgang Puck’s clam chowder last night. Yeah he has his own brand of soups in the market now.

UPCOMIN ANGEL SPOILERS________________________________________________________

I saw a photo of this. Wesley is in bed at a hospital and Angel was getting ready to tear him a new A while Gunn and two orderlys are holding him back.

Cordy and Groo are back, Cordy’s got a new do..

Conner might return as a 16 year old
And/or this is a possibility

Conner is Groo
______________________________________________________________________
End Upcoming Spoilers.

Lila<<<I've heard they're great for eating rare steak and getting in fights…>>>Well it is my molar and it was kinda rubbing against the inside of my cheek.

Winter Wolf<<<Wow you wouldn't believe how amazing the stuff can taste>>>Lucky.

GXB<<<Now I must know something. Didn't George W. Bush say "A terrorist is a terrorist"? Yet he won't label Arafat a terrorist. Yeah, yeah, I know it's all politics>>> I say let us secretly provide Jerusalem with the nukes and let them take care of YesSir Yura Fat

Josh<<<Hey that could be useful.>>>Like I said it was a molar…and it was VERY freaky.<<>>Me?
<<<Where else would one keep breast implants?>>>In a box on the coffe table in the living room. In a box in a cabinet over the stove, in a box behind the toilet….<<<Thanks. I think.>>>When I say a guy is a cutie it’s a compliment.<<<Tomorrow I get to go on a field trip!>>>Where???<<<But then I have to write a paper on it.>>>Papers on field trips aren’t so bad.

Daphne>>>Thanks for the cupcakes.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, April 5, 2002 11:28:25 AM
IP: 64.159.111.9

*drops into the room still wearing a boom-mic and ear piece.* Well, what an _fun_ day at the campus IS&T call center. We are the computer help desk for the campus. So what kind of calls do we take? "Can you tell me how much student life insureance is?" We get some that are sort of on topic, but still not us. "Hi, I need to change my MSN password" and "How do I use Word?" whattheheck, when did we become the MicroshaftWhine-line?

Work is so dead right now, I'm writing my fic, proofing an idea for a friend, and still have so much time left over, that I'm going to be bringing in and installin starcraft, just so i have something to do! (Even exhausted my backlog of homeowrk)

Josh>>Why don't they ask for that *before* they make me an offer? The application should be filled out long before this stage in the game, frankly. >> cause the Beaurocracy that keeps the nation running must be maintained? << Yeah, well you get what you pay for. >> Actually, I got some great stuff at great prices. I just want more. I'm power hungry. <<And back in Dec. it would have cost slightly more>>200 more just for the processor. I really did want a good 512 stick of DDR, but crucial (the only guys i buy from) didn't release their stick until a week after i got all my parts. <<Switch to mac.>> Nah, I like the modulartiy and reconfigurability of IBM architetcture. Besides, i need more than one button on my mouse (i can now play diablo II without ever touching the keyboard!) If i want to do multi media development, I'll go Mac. However since I have no real artistic ability, that ain'tl likely to happen.

*goes over and curls up at Lumious' feet*

GSide> << Temporary insanity? Of the bad kind?>> No, I honestly liked philosophy. I hate math. I jsut wish the classses i had were really what they were .

*takes a break to listen to a caller on the other end of his connection* Ok, some people just should not be allowed to own computers...some of these calls are just stupid. anywho.

Oh, nuts, the phone is ringing off the hook now. talk to you all later.

Archwolf
In the words of the 7th Bomber Wing at Dyess AFB, Texas:
Mors Ad Alto

Archwolf - [thearchwolf@hotmail.com]
Friday, April 5, 2002 10:32:21 AM
IP: 137.148.201.58

What's this about Michael's cartoons? We had some in the Spring issue. Has he made a statement about no longer sending them for AvMists? If so, that's a shame because they really are one of the highlights of the 'zine, but it's certainly the first I've heard of it. Hope it's not the case.

Stephen > methinks you're jumping to some pretty big conclusions there. The votes totally supported you as the new editor and I hope I made it clear to everyone who wrote me about it that my stepping down had nothing to do with you taking AvMists away from me (we all know it's part of my Machiavellian plot to pick on poor misunderstood SJ, remember? <eg>).

What I think one of the problems might be is time. I used to not get many submissions until close to the deadline, and the way that you moved the deadline up (by posting it in here, btw, and a lot of the AvMists regulars don't even frequent this room so how are they to know?) isn't liable to help. I know you're eager to produce your first issue, but most folks don't just have stories and art sitting around. Many of the AvMists features were serialized and those take time to write. You might want to consider sticking to the quarterly schedule that folks are familiar with, at least for a while. And maybe go back through some of the old issues and e-mail the contributors; I did my best to include e-mail links with as many as I could, unless it was requested otherwise. As for scrouging for content, hey, I did that too. Especially when it came to the Challenges. I didn't mind; I'm not too proud to hunt people down and pester ; )

In other news > just heard back from one of the anthologies I've sent to, and my story "Endless Miles" (that' the TJ one for my beta-readers, a couple of whom are in here) made it through the first cut. So there might, there just might ::fingers crossed:: be a chance.

Warpmind > no problem; the deadline isn't until May 3 or something like that; I am just hoping to get some of the Sabledrake stuff organized this week before Mom comes up for a visit.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, April 5, 2002 10:23:50 AM
IP: 67.226.12.181

*Warpmind wanders in, frowning.*
Nobody notice that little something I lsipped into my last post? Tsk... };)

Christine: Hold the article until I've finished the Pipe of Stoning, eh? I'm still working on it. };)

Gside: Should all else fail, Mr. Hurt and Mr. Doohickey can always be used for experiments on DC, eh? And I believe Wilek may have Mr. Thingy.

No more Michael Heitz cartoons in AvMists? That's gotta be wrong... Is it certain this is not just some sort of misunderstanding caused by a one-issue absence? Õõ

Well, that about sums up this hastily-patched-up post. So long, gang.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Friday, April 5, 2002 09:04:08 AM
IP: 193.217.142.137

Wilek>Hm, no more cartoons in Avalon Mists? Well, thís doesn't really bother me. Because Michael also posts his cartoons at gargoyles-fans.de. Well, they are in German, bur easy to translate.

Oh, by the way. A new Garg-comic is online at gargoyles-fans.de! very impressive......
Tribun - [joachim_henkel@gmx.net]
Luebeck, SH, Germany
Friday, April 5, 2002 07:58:47 AM
IP: 62.214.35.70

Josh <<You're braindead?>>

Ah yes, the return of Josh. How did we manage without your stellar wit? *irony?*

Actually, I'm just fatigued. So keyed up doing artwork I haven't had much sleep. Plus company and obligations keep me awake when I'd otherwise be sacked out. Like right now, just said adios to a friend who showed up at 1am my time, and only left around 3:30 am my time. Just doing a last moment CR check before hitting the sheets.

Spent some time studying Adam Hugh's latest art offerings, and think I've figured out how he does such terrific hair on Jean Grey and Emma Frost on the upcoming cover of Wizard. Will have to try out a few things and see if they work.

Morning to some, night to others, in either case see you later...
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Friday, April 5, 2002 04:46:48 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Oh, another fun filled day. First, I didn't have to wake up for my structures class because my Prof is on some national council that was meeting in Denver (sucks to be him!). Then, after classes were over, I had the luxury of filling out my GE employment forms. I don't understand why they bother. If they're making me an offer, then why do they need my employment history? Why don't they ask for that *before* they make me an offer? The application should be filled out long before this stage in the game, frankly.

Tomorrow I get to go on a field trip! Yippee! But then I have to write a paper on it. That's no good. I hate papers. Fortunately, I don't have to participate in this section of my group's lab report, so that will lighten the load a bit this month.

I found out about a difference place to live in San Jose today. Apparently a couple of girls that work at GE are renting out a room in their massive townhouse (in a nice neighborhood). I'd have access to kitchen, garage, living room, dining room, close to GE, paid utilities, all for not very much money. Of course, its only cheap because GE pays for everything over a certain number of dollars ("relocation" stipend). So I'm pretty happy.

replies

Archwolf: Long time no see. <<in December, i sunk 449.50 into a new computer. Everything but a new keyboard and monitor. Now i want more processor, more memory, more drive space, bigger power plant>>: Yeah, well you get what you pay for. And what was around today was still available in December. <>: And back in Dec. it would have cost slightly more. Those are the breaks when it comes to computers. You have to get used to it, otherwise you're always bitter. My roommate knows. <<puts on his death to Pentium shirt>>: Switch to mac.

Shadowrider: <<Can you please explain me why the Vatican don't allow women to become priests?>>: Cuz they're women.

Lila: <>: Are you an engineer? <<Congrats on that internship>>: Thanks. I'm rather excited. <<an appartment with T1... all to yourself?! Lucky you>>: If I pick that one, yeah. But apparently there's weird people there and its in a not-good area.

Cyberklaw: <<December can't come fast enough>>: Oh, yes it can. I have finals in december.

Wilek: <<disembowels self, ties intestines to curtain rod, leaps out of very high window>>: Not smart.

DPH: <<Has anyone else received this?>>: Many variants. I'm getting rather good at filtering them out.

Daphne: Happy B-day!

Mooncat: <<Chewed gum today and managed to keep biting my lip... owtch! Now I remember why I don't usually chew gum>>: You're braindead?

Gside: <>: Technically, I don't either. But I am going to office hours and a field trip. <<a very ugly exam next week>>: Ah ha. No ugly exams next week. <<What about silk and lace?>>: Tight black leather is more appropriate for Rocky. <<Krista says she's working on it>>: Who? <>: Sadly, that doesn't look to happen anytime soon. <<You eventually learn to deal with it. Even if you don't like it>>: More importantly, you learn to ignore it. <<They need to be put in their places every now and then. Especially if they make a mistake in the quadratic formula>>: Yeah, but that rarely happens. I mean, an engineer that forgets the quadratic formula is like...stupid.

Sleepy time.

Why do I always smell bread?
-Dreamie, at Gathering 2001

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, April 5, 2002 02:44:26 AM
IP: 64.161.24.38

Just checking in! This weeks been a week of miracles and oddness. My Spanish Prof gave me a reprieve so now I'm allowed to return to class *which i skipped for half a semester due to family probs, illnesses, and learning difficulties *the difficulty being i wasn't learning anything* That means life is better now. And if all goes really well, I'll be able to churn out an entire book to play adaption within the next two weeks/find a place to live near school off-campus/move all my stuff there/ secure a summer job and then take over the world! *Hey you just gotta love a woman with a plan, ne?* Take care all!

PS. HailerStar Sends Love to TheArchWolf
Luminous Aphrodite
Friday, April 5, 2002 02:31:06 AM
IP: 207.42.162.198

Imzadi> <<Ooh and I don't have my early class tomorrow>>: I don't have any class tomorrow. Which gets balanced by a lab and a very ugly exam next week.
<<Tight black leather>>: What about silk and lace?
<<unless you never get to the destination, in which case the writer can !@#$ himself>>: Krista says she's working on it.
<<Kinky. I like it>>: I must remember that should we meet.

Archwolf> <<Why I chose Philosophy over Math as a Comp Sci concentration is beyond me>>: Temporary insanity? Of the bad kind?

Shadowrider> <<sometimes the atmosphere into here becomes uncomfortable>>: Flame wars are inevitable with any gathering of people. You eventually learn to deal with it. Even if you don't like it.

Lila> <<managed to refrain from saying "ahem, bullsh*t!" when a prof stated, "Now, I'm going to utter nonsense but the nonsense will be useful.">>: Why? They need to be put in their places every now and then. Especially if they make a mistake in the quadratic formula.
<<sounds like a sprite commercial>>: It's more based on apathy.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Friday, April 5, 2002 01:10:53 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

DPH -- old, old scam. only the names change. I've gotten a few e-mails of like stories. Just delete them and move on.

well, didn't get much sleep today. have you ever been so tired, you *can't* sleep? gah... I did manage to finish my latest picture. Not totally sure I'm happy with it, but going to move on to some new projects.

Chewed gum today and managed to keep biting my lip... owtch! Now I remember why I don't usually chew gum.

Well, not a terrible lot to say, but thought I'd pop in to the CR for a few moments.

::purrs for Patrick::

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Friday, April 5, 2002 12:58:35 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Looks like I'm the first one to post today?
Why do I care? Well, it's relevant... to me anyway.
[leaves a tray of frosted cupcakes on the Tea Table of Peace]
GOd bless!
Daphne
Friday, April 5, 2002 12:19:06 AM
IP: 129.68.10.47

Guys, here's what I think is a new scam:

**NEW SCAM**
WITH THE BEST COMPLIMENTS OF THE DAY, I AM THE AFORENAMED AND MANAGING DIRECTOR OF SIERRALEONIAN MINT&SECURITY COMPANY UNTIL 12TH OF FEBRUARY 2002 WHEN NEWS GOT TO ME FROM PRESIDENCY THAT I WILL BE FIRED FROM MY JOB NEXT DAY BECAUSE OF MY MATERNAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE REBEL LEADER FODAH SANKOH.FURTHERMORE,I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ARRESTED ON
THE CHARGES OF GOVT.FUND MISAPROPRIATION AND FUNDING THE REBEL GROUP. ON RECEIPT OF THIS SHOCKING NEWS AND KNOWING FULLYWELL WHO KABBAH IS…I QUICKLY GATHERED MY FAMILY AND OFF TO NEIGHBOURING IVORY COAST TOWN YAMOUSOKRO. BEFORE LEAVING MY OFFICE THAT FAITHFUL DAY,I HAD IN MY CUSTODY 4 TRUNKS CONTAINING USD38.2MILLION…FRANKLY I HAD TO LEAVE WITH 2 OF
THE TRUNKS CONTAINIG 17.4 MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS MINT AND THANK GOD THAT THE FUNDS ARE SAFE IN ECOBANK IVORY COAST .MOST UNFORTUNATELY OR MAYBE HOW GOD HAS DESIGNED IT,LAST 2 WEEKS I RAN INTO AN ITALO/FRANCO MAN MR GAGGIA LUIGI IN MY HOTEL PRESIDENTIAL…WHOM I CONFIDED MY PREDICAMENTS AND MY PRESSING PROBLEMS AND HE AGREED
TO HELP ME TRANSFER THE FUNDS INSTALMENTALLY TO SWITZERLAND AND ASSIST ME AND MY FAMILY OF 4 WITH EU PASSPORTS THAT WILL SEE US THROUGH TO EUROPE…ACCORDING TO HIM,WITH THIS FIRST INSTALMENT HE WILL PUT ALL DOCUMENTS IN PLACE AND GET US A LIVING PLACE AND PERMIT AS RESIDENTS ETC WHICH THE ENTIRE FAMILY WELLCOMED WITH ENTUSIASM AND USD7.4MILLION WAS WIRED TO A SWISS BANKING CORPORATION ACCOUNT HE FURNISHED UPTILL DATE NO NEWS OF THIS GENTLEMAN NOTWITHSTANDING CONFIRMATION THAT FUNDS WERE RECEIVED ACCORDINGLY…WE HAVE TRIED TI
ME WITHOUT NUMBER THE TEL LINE HE LEFT AS HIS SINESS/OFFICE LINE BUT WHENEVER WE CALL AN ELDERLY WOMAN VOICE SPEAKING FRENCH WILL ALWAYS COME TO THE RECEIVER.
PLEASE IF YOU ARE HONEST/GODFEARING AND CAPABLE OF MOVING ME AND FAMILY TO ANY COUNTRY OUTSIDE AFRICA AND MOST IMPORTANTLY RECEIVING THE BALANCE WHICH IS 9 MILLION,I OBLIGE TO EXTEND 40% TO YOU… PLEASE TREAT THIS WITH UTMOST TOPSECRET AS I HAVE BEEN DECLARED ATLARGE.
**END NEW SCAM**

Has anyone else received this? I would not have opened it except for the subject title was meaningfull to me.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, April 4, 2002 11:56:01 PM
IP: 204.94.193.13

Micheal Heitz's cartoons...won't be in AvMists anymore? <eye twitches dangerously> <disembowels self, ties intestines to curtain rod, leaps out of very high window> :(

In other news, clicky for something that, well, explains a lot...
Wilek
Thursday, April 4, 2002 11:35:40 PM
IP: 216.65.106.130

:: wanders in, pets the slumbering Moonkitty ::

Re: Turf > Okay... maybe I'm just remembering it wrong. But it sure felt like Toon Disney left _something_ out.

Stephen > I can't personally speak for anyone but myself, but I would still have to suggest that your conclusion that there is a mass conspiracy to hold out on Avalon Mists out of personal contempt for you as the new editor needs some re-evaluation. For my own part, it comes down to many of the same things Mooncat already mentioned. I only have so much time each week to spend on my writing, and at this particular point I'm focussing on the next installment in my joint ficverse with kathy. And while I'd love to contribute again, our stories rarely fall below an R rating. So my choices become to either force myself to do extra work to create something else suitable for the 'zine, or say "c'est la vie" and keep working on the stuff that's actually fun. This time around, I've chosen option B. But that's just me. As for Michael Heitz's cartoons... perhaps if you have a concern, the reasons for his retirement are better taken up with him private, rather than having them speculated upon by the fandom at large. Again, just my opinion.

:: wanders back off to do some writing before bed ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, April 4, 2002 09:35:45 PM
IP: 66.72.193.12

OK, it is very tempting to continue the whole time travel/Immutable futures/predeterminism Vs. free will discussion, but I'm not going to. I've said all I've had to say and I'd only be rehashing it.

So, something new...

Has anyone else seen the new 'Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers' preview, now on the end of 'Fellowship'? What did you think of it?

I saw it a few days ago (after watching FOTR for the sixth time). I actually tried to see it when it was supposed to have been added on Friday, but my local cinema hadn't got it in at that time. Of course, I didn't find this out until AFTER the movie when the preview failed to appear.

Personally, I liked it. A lot. Very exciting. I liked how it focused more on the characters than action and spectacle, although it had them too. Some shots of the battle at Helm's Deep, a (very brief) glace at Treebeard, and a little bit of Gollum. Everything I could have wanted from a first look at the Two Towers.

December can't come fast enough...
Cyberklaw
London, UK
Thursday, April 4, 2002 07:51:46 PM
IP: 205.188.197.152

I made it through another Thursday. I didn't kill any professors, and managed to refrain from saying "ahem, bullsh*t!" when a prof stated, "Now, I'm going to utter nonsense but the nonsense will be useful." Also got in huge argument with a dorm-mate who insists that the school should help their cafeteria workers unionize. I hate arguing when the other person bases their argument on what's FAIR as opposed to what's FACT. ::sighs::
Now... reply time!
Shadowrider- Thanks for the welcome, and welcome back to you!
GSIDE- <images mean nothing> sounds like a sprite commercial <not on a molar> touche, ouch!
Josh- Congrats on that internship! And an appartment with T1... all to yourself?! Lucky you.
Ravyn- um, demand a raise. I trust you asked for an increase in salary for the increase in responsibility, right? Don't let yourself be used.
Thanks to all who are so frienly and welcoming... you make a girl feel right at home... in an internet room... ::blinks quietly to herself at this particular image, then bounds off to enjoy the remaining sunlight hours::
-Ciao!
Lila - [liejones@yahoo.com]
LA, CA, USA
Thursday, April 4, 2002 07:48:24 PM
IP: 134.173.121.16

STEPHEN - Boy, that sounds terrible. I certainly don't think that you deserve such treatment, and do believe that you earned your Editorship fair and square.

As for material, I wish that I could send in something, but I don't have anything at hand (except for TGS material that I've been working on). I did once have a weird little crossover that I was writing between "Gargoyles" and "X-Men: Evolution" (well, "X-Men" in general, but based on the WB cartoon version mainly), but I abandoned that a while ago, and I don't think that I'd be able to reconstruct and complete it in time to send it in before the deadline. Sorry.

(It was an odd little crossover, actually - I had ideas in it like the Sentinels being built as an anti-gargoyle measure rather than an anti-mutant measure - with Dr. Bolivar Trask being a former Cyberbiotics R&D guy - he designed a lot of material, in particular, on those three disks that Xanatos tricked the gargoyles into stealing for him - who became convinced that the gargoyles were a threat to humanity when he first encountered the trio during their break-in at the Cyberbiotics Tower - and afterwards left Cyberbiotics to work for the Department of Defense, only to be in the Golden Cup Building when Coldstone broke in during "Legion").
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, April 4, 2002 07:17:28 PM
IP: 168.191.109.42

Stephen -- hey mon *^_~*

No, I don't think people are shunning you because they want Christine (even if we miss her bunches and bunches) I think everyone is probably caught up in spring break, mid-terms, RL. gah... I'd submit. But I'm afraid all my latest art and story are dreadfully adult in theme and content and not suitable for a general audience. Umm... okay one picture shows a lot of skin without "showing" anything too naughty, but I don't think Avalon Mists would willing to show Fox and Elisa in an intimate pose even if all the naughty bits are hidden... sigh.

But if I can I will try for some soft R, or more general audience piccies. Storywise I'm wrapped up in other obligations but I will see if I can swing something by deadline. Right now I'm in some Gargoyle related art projects, but they are all R or soft X.

The guy who did the garg toons isn't anymore? oh bummer.

I'm starving for sleep or I'd post more. Only staying awake by the tips of my fingernails and the need to be conscious for my mother arriving in the next hour. Thursday is the day I fill her pill box for her, and give her pin money for the week. Then I got to give kittens their scheduled meds. No way I can blow any of it off, or I'd be crashing right now.

Soon as she leaves, I'm going to collapse. I did a stupid and pulled an all nighter putting the base colors on my current picture. soooo tired... hurts. Had company all day yesterday, so didn't get to work on artwork until 2am. I was on a roll so I pushed myself. Now I can't fall asleep, as I'm not sure I'll be able to wake when it's time to answer the door.

hmmm... I could just leave the front door wide open and catch a little snoozie in the sun beam on the couch...

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Thursday, April 4, 2002 01:46:13 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Good evening everyone. Quite a while since I've posted last time...for various reasons, I must add. Excess of things to do, for sure, and lack of motivation as well. Some of my best friends into here are posting more and more rarely (not to mention those who were *forced* to leave for reasons that are questionable in the most optimistic case), plus sometimes the atmosphere into here becomes uncomfortable (so to say)...all these reasons keep me from posting very often. Oh, well...anyway, now I'm here, so I'll be better to find something to justify my presence...

****SOMEHOW POLITICALLY RELATED CONSIDERATIONS****

I suppose there's no need to specify what I am talking about. Sometimes I'd really love to be like those who can just insulate themselves from the world and mind just to their things and to nothing else...I suspect they live better than me. I, instead, even when I'm submerged in my personal troubles, cannot help but looking around me, and trying to make a sense out of what happens in this planet on which we all are supposed to live. I am old enough, and not dumb enough, to remember a time, not so much ago, when it really appeared that things were going better. I remember a time when there was really a chance for different people to *listen* each other, and see beyond surface of things. But, obviously, things didn't go so. I am not going to say who has the blame of this. Trying to say who invaded who, who stole the land to who, who shot the first bullet or blew the first bomb...I find it a petty and pointless exercise. And, I won't try to analyze the situation. Others out there, more informed and with very better expertise and competence in this kind of things than me, have already done it thousands of times, and will continue doing so. Everything I could do into here would be to repeat words that others wrote, and this seems to me pointless as well. No. There is just one thing that I want to say here...something that came in my mind while hearing some (many) comments that some (many) people expressed. As often happens to me, while I was uselessly trying to make a sense out of what I heard, some lines of an old song came in my aid. I somehow think these lines say everything, if one looks carefully. If you are wondering, no, the song was not written thinking to the current situation...it was written more than twenty years ago, and for sure it is not a "political" song. I just put the lines here, and then this thing will be closed for me, and I won't return on it. "...io sono come Dio / e potrei rapirvi il cuore
per un attimo / Io non ho / mai incontrato Dio / ma conosco un'altra verità / Io sono come Dio / e gli uomini li rifarei / come ora / Occhi per non vedere / bocche per non parlare / meglio così / Io pazzo come Dio / vi farei morire di paura / promettendo l'Inferno e la Pietà..."
That's all.

***END***

Oh, well, what else? Some replies, yes...

Tribun and Lila:> Welcome here! Sorry if I welcome you so belatedly, but I really couldn't before...

Green Baron:> Hey, are you still of the idea of visiting Milan in April? If so, please give me some warning...I unluckily still don't know exacly when my midterms will be, I have one Monday but know nothing of the others, so I cannot propose you a date...:(
Unluckily, the week in which you posted your reply to my last post is not in Archive...I will go by memory...
<<la Repubblica>> You heard of them, you say? And what you heard exactly?
<<Milingo>> You call him a "nutbar"? Interesting wording...some others call him "saint". It evens out, I suspect...and for some people, the words are almost synonimous...
You see screwed results in people throwing away superstitions? In people stopping to be manipulated by other persons in the name of some "moral authority" (that is supposed to derive from their status rather than from their actions or ideas) and in people using reason instead? Well, I don't.
And, since we are in topic: Can you please explain me why the Vatican don't allow women to become priests?

Fire Storm:> <<Tell it to George W "Battlefield Nukes" Bush! >> Hmm... usually don't like to discuss politics in here. Well...I'll do an exception. Well, Josh stole me the word when he said that Bush Jr. is not an engineer. Definitely, he is not...About his intention/proposal you refer to, well, my opinion is probably quite easy to guess. But, since we are in topic, I have a doubt...well, some time ago I was re-reading some chapters of Clancy's "Red storm rising"...I don't know if you've read it, but near the end of it the Supreme Soviet (the story is settled in early '80s), seeing how the war they provoked is going bad, consider the possibility of using small nukes on the battlefield. Through some of the characters of the book, the author expresses his reprovation for such a decision, and for the people who can even consider it. I'd like to know if Clancy said anything about Bush's intentions...if he did, no news arrived here.

Jan:> Hey, so you are around! I've sent you two emails in the last two weeks...did you get it?

Winterwolf:> Good to see you here, friend. It's a pity we apparently are unable to keep in touch as we did before.

Hm, no more time. Goodbye, people!

"Se la terra è tonda e se il mare è blu / da che mondo è mondo il forte vince e non sei tu"

Shadowrider - [shdwrdr@tiscali.it]
Thursday, April 4, 2002 12:45:38 PM
IP: 62.10.20.11

You know...i keep swearing that when i stop lurking and make a post, that i'm really gonna keep up with it...then i go back to lurking right away. This time, it will be different! really.

So, what all has been going on in here....*reads a bit* ok. Lots of stuff i guess. I'm giong to have to spend a lot of time gettin caught up, i guess. Thankfully, my HelpDesk hours are so stinkin dull (hours of dull, punctuated by brief moments of me wanting to strangle users) that I should now have time to do this. Especially since i'm not doing my homework.

This kinda stinks...in December, i sunk 449.50 into a new computer. Everything but a new keyboard and monitor. Now i want more processor, more memory, more drive space, bigger power plant. And i can get all the improved stuff now for less than i payed for what i have nown which isn't anythign to sneeze at. My AMD1700-XP can out run a P4 1.8 and go toe to toe with a 2.0 (original core, not northwood..dunno how i stack up there). The major problem i'm having is that i made the mistake of getting a mid-mini tower. SO my processor and cooling stack sits right under my power plant. Cooler going full tilt, and my proc heats up to 49C. I'll end up 'having' to get the 2100xp by august, i guess. *puts on his death to Pentium shirt*

I'll be back later. I need to go look up some info on M.S>'s Frankenstein (which is not a horror or sci fi novel, but actually a metaphore, dealing with the dangers of over-powerful, under controlled governments) That's what my prof says, any way. Why I chose Philosophy over Math as a Comp Sci concentration is beyond me......

*goes out humming Good Rats*
Archwolf
fiat iustitia ruat caelum
Archwolf - [thearchwolf@hotmail.com]
Thursday, April 4, 2002 11:31:44 AM
IP: 137.148.202.39

*** OFFICAL POST FROM AVALOM MISTS ***

Recently, I received a missive from a reader who expressed their concerns over my not allowing for "odd" stories to be posted in the zine, and also asked if I was the one resposible for Michael Heitz removing his cartoons from same. (to my knowledge, I'm certain I had nothing to do with Michael's cartoons being gone from the zine)

This missive however raised a question with me: is there a major resentment among the fans of Avalon Mists that I took over for Christine? If so, is that the reason why no new submissions have come in from the regular contributors?

Let me address this so that at least my position is clear:

First, I personally had nothing to do with Christine's decision to step down as the Editor for Avalon Mists. Like a lot of you, I wanted her to stay on and continue helming the zine. She's done great work with it, and it's a feather in her cap that she's run with it for so long.

Secondly, I only accepted the job as Editor because I felt the zine MUST continue to entertain and be a mainstay in the Gargoyles fandom. I personally feel it has a purpose here, and without it, we lose a "voice" that makes up a part of the fanbase.

Like it or not, I'm here, taking charge of the zine. I don't want it to fail, expecially over something as small as wanting Christine over myself as the person running the show. If this has to fail, it should do so because the fans have lost all interest in it... and should that ever happen, then it's a sure sign that the fans have lost interest in Gargoyles too.

I've had to almost 'fish' for submissions from friends and others that I know suport my becoming the zine's editor, but I would rather they come willingly from my fellow fans.

I'm asking you - every author that's ever written for AvMists, every artist that's drawn art, anyone that's sent in character profiles, jokes, pictures of costumes, custome characters. - EVERYONE who was a regular contributor for the zine at one time or another, please dig down and give something back to the publication that's been a rock-fixture for the past few years.

This zine cannot survive on empty pages... help to fill them up for an Early May release.

Thanks for your attention and time,

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616@yahoo.com]
Tampa, Fl, USA
Thursday, April 4, 2002 10:09:56 AM
IP: 65.35.129.166

I had a sudden thought about the "Dracon's thug's suitcase" scene - maybe what Patrick (I think that he was the one who raised the topic) was really remembering was the scene from "Protection", which opened with one of Dracon's thugs blowing up Art and Lois's restaurant via that method (not to mention that later on, Broadway later on stops Pal Joey from using the same method on the dry-cleaning establishment that Chavez and Morgan were in), and it got mistakenly remembered as being in "Turf" because they were both Dracon episodes. Could that be it?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, April 4, 2002 06:40:03 AM
IP: 168.191.109.35

Not a bad day, overall.

Yeah, my midterm wasn't too great, but I'm fairly certain that I kicked butt on 4 out of the 6 problems. The other two...I'm sure I'll get some credit. No idea how anyone else did. Couldn't have done too much damage to my grade 8-)

But the really great part was when I got the offer package from GE! That's right, I'm officially invited to be an intern this summer in the Nuclear Engineering division. I'm so stoked. Now I have a buttload of forms to fill out and I need to find an apartment down there for the summer, which I think I've already found. This is soooooo cool. The apartment will have T1 access!

I have a lot to do this month. Two papers to write, a field trip, schedule classes, meet with advisors, fill out forms for a job, two midterms...ugh.

Ooh and I don't have my early class tomorrow!

replies

Spacebabie: <<my upper left molar looks like a freaky fang>>: Hey that could be useful. <>: I think we could find someone that would make him even happier. <<Let me guess you keep breast implants in a box in your room>>: Where else would one keep breast implants? <<Well I’ve seen your picture and you’re a cutie>>: Thanks. I think. <<At least you have a DSL modem.>>: Oh, sure. Like its such a privilege to be tortured by PacBell and billed every month to boot. <<Why do you keep wishing we all had a nice day and who are you?>>: What are the odds they'll answer you?

Revel: <<that's damn depressing since I had a great break>>: I had a better one. <>: I know what that's like.

Lila: <<I'm choosing to ignore that based on the fact that Demona kicks a*s.>>: So does Delilah, if you read the right fics. <<our school is putting Rocky Horror... and I've never been>>: VIRGIN! <<What to wear, what to WEAR?>>: Tight black leather. <<WHY leave l.a. to go north?>>: Because UC Berkeley is the best civil engineering school in the country. Don't worry, I'm going back to LA as soon as I can. <<Remind me what philosophy majors DO with their degree?>>: Go to law school. Or become wastes of skin.

Winterwolf: <<It was a fairly low-key day at least up until the cake>>: Which somehow ended up all over Dreamie's body, right? <<picking a winner>>: Get your finger out of your nose! <<The only TA's that were paid, back when I was a TA for a semester, where the graduate TA's>>: Apparently undergrad TA's get 12/hr. But they work a bunch of hours that they don't get paid for, and I'm not sure if I want to do that. <<That came with the headache of office hours, grading programming assignments, grading exams and a lecture/lab to give once a week>>: Well, fortunately we have graders 8-) <<Is he a relative of yours?>>: Yeah, he's my dad. remember, you met him. <<Is this how you've been keeping yourself busy/entertained?>>: Um, not really. I have TV. <<You else but MOM>>: Of course. <<Knowing what's going to happen doesn't necessarily spoil the story if it is done well>>: True. The journey is important...unless you never get to the destination, in which case the writer can !@#$ himself.

Jonathan: <<why does the Grimorum (sp?) warn the Timedancer against changing history?>>: Probably because when it was written they didn't have a firm grasp on time travel.

Greg X: <<Now do your job and piss off the admins>>: I wasn't aware that was my job. Or are you just looking for an excuse to ban me since my absence was so enjoyed? <<No you can't, no one can. Except us admins>>: Ironic, since we expect you to be around. <<You never spotted him before???>>: Nope. I'm ig'nant. <<Saruman is hardly a bit part>>: Fair enough. But not a major role either. <<You mean he isn't>>: Probably one or the other. <<it's not dead. It's a little sick, but not dead>>: Bullsh*t. <<not everyone can live happily ever after>>: What kind of fairy tale world are YOU living in? ;-)

Ravyn: <<so starting in two weeks, I get to take over her spot ... but I don't get any of the benefits or pay that she'll get>>: Then why are you doing it? <<Plus I have so many classes next semester that I'm wondering if it's even worth my time to continue working, or if I should take a semester off>>: Ugh. It really pays to take a lighter class load when you work. <>: I hear you! <<I'm taking an Economics class for an elective credit this semester ... and I'm *acing* it>>: After an engineering class, any humanities seems like a walk in the park. I've kicked major butt in all my non-engineering classes so far. That's how I know I'm supposed to be an engineer: its challenging. <<Don't make me come over there and hit you>>: Good luck. <<Don't make me hit you too>>: That would be even more difficult.

Jim R: <<iTunes?! not working right?! On your desktop or laptop?>>: My desktop. There are hundreds of dual-800 owners out there that can't use iTunes without it skipping horribly. I use the latest versions of everything, naturally. 10.1.2 was supposed to fix it, but didn't. Anyway, the problem is caused by airport, I'm pretty sure. That will mean buying one of those new base stations this summer...just what I want to spend a paycheck on. <<at least you got to talk to Apple reps>>: Well like I said I just shelled out for Applecare. <<because Dell likes to mimic Apple>>: Imitation may be the highest form of flattery, but only if its done right. <<my worst-ever tech support experience>>: Yeah, I had problems when my Dad asked me to call dell for him. They wouldn't just replace his defective zip drive. They had to have me DL software and run tests and blah blah blah. Apple is so much better with support...and theirs still sucks ;-)

DPH: <<you do know that is impossible to prove an object is NOT moving, right?>>: Relative to what? <<Is it impossible to get a restraining order preventing a person who from calling or visiting you just to wake you up?>>: Yes, it is. But the restraining order is a permanent effect, and you can't just restrict them from waking you up. <<Is it incorrect to assume if Disney releases Gargoyle episodes on DVD, those versions will be uncut?>>: I wouldn't assume anything about Disney.

Gside: <<A variant of a tackle-hug. It is usually followed by an immitation of an affectionate octopus>>: Kinky. I like it. <<but it does have suckers on its side>>: So does North Avenue. <<Images mean almost nothing>>: Especially when my browser filters them all out. <<!$@#. Really>>: LOL! <<Econ is reqired for all engineers here>>: Really? We don't have to know anything about money to graduate 8-)

Alright, a few quick things to do and then bed. No early class tomorrow!

Bridges in Kansas? No, but I have some ships from the Swiss Navy!
-Warpmind de InzanE, at Gathering 2001

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, April 4, 2002 02:43:07 AM
IP: 64.161.27.42

I miss about a half a week, and what happens? Everyone has an interesting discussion about time travel and paradoxes! Gah! This is what I get for concentrating on writing humourous stuff for The Icy Boards!

Gah, and now I can't even find what I was going to reply to! I'll have to do that later. Oh well, I'm brain-dead right now. Good night!

"This semi-coherent post was brought to you by the words NO and SLEEP."
Ch'Tah Tyger - [CW@baltoleague.zzn.com]
Revelstoke, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, April 4, 2002 01:09:34 AM
IP: 64.114.0.19

Imzadi> <<And what's a glomp?>>: A variant of a tackle-hug. It is usually followed by an immitation of an affectionate octopus.
<<huh?>>: It didn't work. I wanted to see if I could get kana symbols to appear. They do in the input box, but apparently don't make it to the web.
<<Sadly, I wasn't here for the old days>>: I missed quite a few of them myself.
<<Is that more or less deadly than a cat-o-nine-tails>>: Well, it's lacking a tail/tentacle, but it does have suckers on its side.

Gunjack> <>: But is it a vibrating sheep of death (copyright Dom).
<<Heh. Well put>>: Thank you.
<<And who the heck is this English person?>>: England. He's a webcomic artist who continually insults his readers in his weekly rants. And it's a good comic. zebragirl.net
<<Do so. Noir is good people>>: I must burn Excel Saga, Love Hina Again, and Kanon first. And Maybe I'll also get Soul Taker off my roomie.
<<Statistically arrogant?>>: Largest ratio of people calling them geographically challenged to people not calling them geographically challenged.
<<Sounds fun. Let's do>>: I hear AC current does some fun stuff.
<>: But not Roland, the Thompson gunner (with or without head)?

Welcome Lila, please allow the nice blue person with the vacuum to relieve you of your sanity.

Warpmind> <<Any ideas to devise "Mr. Hurt" will be viciously countered with my own "Mr. Doohickey">>: Very well then. There must be some trolls on which we can test them. And who has Mr. Thinigy.

Imzadi> <<You have a gun that !@#$s?>>: They are all phallic.

Spacebabie> <<Let me guess you keep breast implants in a box in your room>>: Evil laugh.
<<When a female anime character tackles and hugs someone that?s a glomp>>: Males can glomp females. Look at m'boy.

Lila> <>: Images mean almost nothing, and few hold correspondence to the people. Except Wilek's Chthulu beasts.
<<I've heard they're great for eating rare steak and getting in fights>>: Not on a molar.
<<Remind me what philosophy majors DO with their degree?>>: !$@#. Really.

Ravyn> <<I'm taking an Economics class for an elective credit this semester>>: Huh. Econ is reqired for all engineers here.

DPH> <<BTW, you do know that is impossible to prove an object is NOT moving>>: From the standpoint of relativity or absolute 0?

And you get some porn music for your mp3. Allegedly from Debbie Does Dallas. I could have put up a 5 or 10 minute nameless selection, but it's all about recognition.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, April 4, 2002 12:21:08 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

greg b>> <<..And the Oscar for Best Murderer Playing in the Role of Peacemaker goes to... <Drum roll> Yasser Arafat!>> *CHOKE!* <<Now I must know something. Didn't George W. Bush say "A terrorist is a terrorist"? Yet he won't label Arafat a terrorist. Yeah, yeah, I know it's all politics. Well Dubbaya, if Arafat is not a terrorist, than what is Osama bin Laden?>> and mr. ariel "baby killin refugee massacarin" sharon? where does he fit in? and the terrorist organization nicknamed the idf? o.O oh wait.. i forgot you watch *american* news.. nevermind.. :P
israel kinda set the precident for the whole "terrorism will get you your own country" thing, the palestinians just watched and learned...
lain
Thursday, April 4, 2002 12:07:41 AM
IP: 216.209.77.130

I finally picked up the book I have been wanting to read from the library. It was a brand-new book so I will start reading on it.

Imzadi - <TGS is dead.> Personally, I prefer to think the rate of metabolism for TGS has slowed down considerably. BTW, you do know that is impossible to prove an object is NOT moving, right?

Is it impossible to get a restraining order preventing a person who from calling or visiting you just to wake you up? I'd like to have one against the moron.

Stupid question about the DVD tapes: Is it incorrect to assume if Disney releases Gargoyle episodes on DVD, those versions will be uncut?

I took my fax machine/copier/printer back to be sent off to be repaired. Extended warrany really comes in handy. When I get it back, I'm selling it. It cost $300 ~5 years ago. It's a canon multipass c2500. I think I can get between $50-$100 for it. Am I being stupid by trying to sell it for too little or too much?

Last week, my computer self-rebooted for the 1st time and then it punished me for doing so.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 11:36:57 PM
IP: 204.94.193.24

Josh > "I also got tired of dealing with iTunes not playing right on my machine." iTunes?! not working right?! On your desktop or laptop? That's odd. I still use iTunes 2.0.3. I haven't felt like downloading Apple's patch 2.0.4 since everything works fine for me. I heard some things about 2.0.4 causing 2% of Mac users problems...

"We were on the phone for about 30-40 minutes and got nowhere."
Don't feel bad, at least you got to talk to Apple reps, I've got a LONG story for you. Up until yesterday I had *some* faith in Dell over others (like Compaq and Gateway), simply because Dell likes to mimic Apple.

Anyways, I was at work, and they purchased a new Dell computer (Precision 530, Xeon system, Windows 2000, big-ass S.O.B.) Of course, I, Mr. IT professional, was forced to carry the stupid thing down the street to our affiliate company where it was to be installed. It was heavy, but I was up to it, heh.

Once setting it up, I turned it on. The monitor comes on, and then goes yellow again, the power light was also yellow. I turn it on and off several times waiting for a couple minutes, still nothing. This Dell model comes with little diagnostic lights underneath its frontside FireWire port. Consulting the manual, I find the combination of lights lit signifies "a corrupted BIOS." (sigh) The manual tells me to refer to the User Guide. I later found that the User Guide comes on the included CD-ROM. OK, how is one supposed to use the user guide if the computer can't boot?

Not wanting to open it up and peek inside fearing to void the warranty (this is my company's property, so I'm *very* careful about toying inside new and expensive stuff), I notify my network admin. After checking it herself, she tells me to call up Dell tech support. (Oh God, here we go...) I get through OK (no long holds), only because the computer is new and its product number gets me through to somebody quicker.

The lady I talk to asks me all the normal stuff and I begin telling her the problems. The first thing she tells me is to open it up! Because there is bearly any room on the counter to get inside the thing, I lug the gigantic P.O.S. to the floor, stretching the phone cord completely. If there's one thing Dell hasn't copied off Apple, it's the ease of use in opening your computer. Here comes my workout...of course I start pulling components in a place where there's no static senstive bags to put them in and people are moving about while I have this thing open on the floor in everyone's way!

1. Pull the RAM. Turn it on. I tell her "Still no change."
2. Pull the video card and hard drive. Turn it on. I tell her "Still no change."
3. Pull the special voltage regulator card. Turn it on. I tell her "One light out of the 3 is still on."
4. Try resetting the BIOS by replacing jumpers. Still nothing.
5. Pull the processor! What! The processor had a massive heatsink, with not one, but two giant metal clamps! After pulling out both of the dust fans to get to the processor, I begin fiddling with the clamps. I gain a battle scar by slicing my finger on the sharp heatsink. (I think its still tarnished with drop of my blood) Once the clamps are off, she tells me that we need to get the heatsink OFF the processor. "Wiggle it slowly and pull out gently," she says. (Trying to keep my mind out of the gutter) I do so. It (the heatsink) is still tight with some of that gunk to absorb the heat. I give it just a little jerk, AND THE WHOLE DAMN PROCESSOR COMES OUT STILL STUCK TO THE HEATSINK! Somehow it broke free of the latch gate! What cheap, shi*ty parts! I learn Xeon is very small compared to Pentium. Wow...
6. I turn on the system again, and course it starts beeping at me. Still no change. She thinks its the motherboard. (sigh)

After that, I spent the next 15 minutes giving her shipping info (still bleeding slowly from my finger) so a brand new board and parts could be sent along with an appointment by a Dell technician to install them.

My supervisor comes in and says jokingly, "So, you trying be like that Dell kid on TV, eh?" I wanted to strangle him there and then. I felt like pocketing that AGP card for the price of listening and going through such stupidity over the phone. And that, Josh and folks, is my worst-ever tech support experience. Michael Dell and his "devil child" Steven are in my top-ten hit list, should I ever, as you say Josh, become "Ruler of Earth."
Jim R.
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 11:09:49 PM
IP: 65.164.16.100

Hi, all. School is driving me crazy! ;) And it doesn't help that my supervisor is quitting at work, so starting in two weeks, I get to take over her spot ... but I don't get any of the benefits or pay that she'll get. Plus I have so many classes next semester that I'm wondering if it's even worth my time to continue working, or if I should take a semester off. Oh, well ... any ideas? :(

I register for fall classes this weekend. Already. I can't believe I'm almost done with another semester of school ... but I'm ready to get out of the classes I have right now, and get a whole new set! ;)

Except for one crazy thing ... I'm taking an Economics class for an elective credit this semester ... and I'm *acing* it. Not only that, I'm really enjoying it. And it's getting to where I'm wondering if I should be changing majors to Economics ... ;)

Josh> <<Yes, you do sound like a fat woman when I read that.>> Don't make me come over there and hit you.

Greg B> <<<<Yes, you do sound like a fat woman when I read that.>> You mean he isn't>> Don't make me hit you too. <<And that blonde woman who shrieks every other second is still very annoying.>> Tell me about it ... besides the fact that AMC replays Temple of Doom practically nonstop, so there's even *more* shrieking ... ;) Now, if they'll only play Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade ... that one's probably my favorite of the three. :)

Coyote> **snuggles and huggles and kisses** Hiya, my love ... :)

I vaguely remember seeing the scene where one of Dracon's guys leaves the briefcase in Brod's restaurant ... I might even have it on tape, but I'd have to check. I think I got it from USA Network or Fox, when they used to air Gargs here (probably in syndication).

I do remember being mad at seeing "Deadly Force" not too long ago ... probably the last time it was ever shown ... and noticing that they had cut one of my favorite, sweet parts ... where Elisa is unconscious in the hospital, and Goliath asks her to keep fighting, and swears he'll get her revenge for her.

Happy belated birthday, Winterwolf! Glad to hear that you had a great time. ;) I am still *so* jealous of you and Dreamie ... y'all seem so happy together. :) Wishin' you all the best ... :)

Happy belated birthday to you too, Christine! :)

Welcome, Lila! :)

Time travel is one of those things that just makes my head hurt the more I think about it. :)

SJ> <<MARYLAND WINS!>> Congrats on Maryland's first title ever. They played a good game. :)

Wilek> You as admin would make me a very happy camper as well. :)
Ravyn
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 10:29:43 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Hi all.

Happy belated birthday Christine :)

JOSH> <> Welcome back. Now do your job and piss off the admins ;) <> No you can't, no one can. Except us admins ;) <<South Park (the movie), when the army is marching by Kyle's house and Kyle is putting Ike in the attic...you can spot JESUS in the army ranks>> You never spotted him before??? I saw him the first time I saw the film. <<If any of you ever tells me to get a life, I will immediately refer you to these comments, well documented in our archives >> Get a life! <<Her breasts aren't that great. I've seen better. In the last few days.>> Agreed and me too. <<When he stops having bit parts.>> Saruman is hardly a bit part. <<Yes, you do sound like a fat woman when I read that.>> You mean he isn't ;) <<Plus, I really like them, and TGS is dead>> it's not dead. It's a little sick, but not dead.

TIM> <<Hell, I just want to serve. To serve and have a good time at it.>> That's the problem right there. better to rule than to serve.

PATRICK> <<Cut was the sequence where Dracon's wiseguys leave the suitcase in the restaurant, as well as the ensuing explosion. So in yet another attempt to edit for political correctness, all we got was Brod showing up at the fire, with no hint of what had caused it. Still, though... it was fun seeing that one again... "Stop calling me Angie!!!" >> I taped this episode in it's original run, and I don't remember a scene where one of Dracon's men drops off a suitcase bomb. Or an explosion. This was a Disney Afternoon showing.

JONATHAN> Well, not everyone can live happily ever after.

TODD> <<I considered posting a few "revelations" here about the future of TGS on April Fool's Day (two days ago), but never got around to it; it might be just as well, since there's always the danger that somebody might have forgotten the date and believed that we really were going to do them>> You disappoint me Todd. The whole point of April Fool's is to make people look like idiots, or idiots not look like people for a day.

And now for some political commentary. Middle-east political commentary

...And the Oscar for Best Murderer Playing in the Role of Peacemaker goes to... <Drum roll> Yasser Arafat!

Last weekend Arafat appeared before TV cameras and said, in English, "I appeal to the international community to stop this aggression against our people, this military escalation, this killing." Then he switched to Arabic and said: "Together we will march until one our children raises the Palestinian flag over the churches and mosques of Jerusalem."

Now I must know something. Didn't George W. Bush say "A terrorist is a terrorist"? Yet he won't label Arafat a terrorist. Yeah, yeah, I know it's all politics. Well Dubbaya, if Arafat is not a terrorist, than what is Osama bin Laden?

One of my best friends is Israeli. He's lived there and here, currently living here. Though his mom and sister are over there, and he'll likely be heading back there soon. My biggest concern is his safety and that of his family (his cousin is being forced to join the army in a few months), and neither Arafat nor Sharon are doing anything to make it any safer there.

*** End Politics ***
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 10:04:36 PM
IP: 216.179.1.194

I see the whole "Time is immutable thing" a bit clearer now but now I must ask this question. If the past and future cannot be changed then why does the Grimorum (sp?) warn the Timedancer against changing history?

What other things are cut out of the Toon Disney version? I already noticed they cut the scene a bit where Oberon gets shot in the chest by that iron spiked thing but they didn't cut the end of "Hunters Moon Part one" where Goliath declares he will kill the Hunters. If I'm missing out on a lot I may have to buy the original episodes off Ebay. *wishes he had a job*

My favorite episode of the series so far is "Two" cause I love Demona and I like the idea of a nicer version of her existing in a different universe. Who knows, in that dimension she might even be able to get back with Goliath (what can I say I prefer that pairing). I saw a hint I tell you! Here it is paraphrased from "Two":
*Goliath looks at Demona from other dimension. Demona looks away shyly*

Not much but its enough for my obsessed mind!

Since everybody is talking about school work I will too. I got a hundred on a Math Lab today in college while my sister got a ninety five on her latest test in Psychology. She's really happy ^_^
Jonathan - [Fiore17@flash.net]
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 08:52:11 PM
IP: 64.48.234.250

Sorry, folks, but I'm not in the "tape-copying" business. I'm afraid that you'll have to ask elsewhere.

I considered posting a few "revelations" here about the future of TGS on April Fool's Day (two days ago), but never got around to it; it might be just as well, since there's always the danger that somebody might have forgotten the date and believed that we really were going to do them.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 06:42:40 PM
IP: 63.183.39.229

**Winterwolf steps in**

Hi. Happy Belated Birthday Christine! I had a great one myself back two weeks ago 3/19. Dreamie made a delicious homemade pizza dinner and there was ice cream cake later that night. It was a fairly low-key day at least up until the cake... Oh what a night... ^_~

Anywho, I'm in the process of weeding through the job market here and picking a winner. If all goes according to plan I'll be working in a week. **crosses fingers** All your well wishes are welcome. ;)

Greetings to all the newcomers! Enjoy your stay and loss of any leftover sanity you have. :P

Josh> <TA job that pays> Hmm. The only TA's that were paid, back when I was a TA for a semester, where the graduate TA's. All I got was a recommendation letter and working experience. That came with the headache of office hours, grading programming assignments, grading exams and a lecture/lab to give once a week. It was a computer programming C++ class. Meanwhile I hear how paid TA's bitch so they can do as little as possible around here. <Larry Wurzel> Is he a relative of yours? <<<self inflicted harm is BAD>>: Actually, some people are into that.> Is this how you've been keeping yourself busy/entertained? O.o <<filing taxes>>Which family member suckered you into that?> You else but MOM! :P

Revel> < we could lift Thom lines from other animes to get him to curse> Alternatively you could just ask him to say a particular line and record it. :)

Brooklyn> Hi! It's been a while. How is your fan fic and artwork?

Mara> Congrats! I like the updated site. :)

Jan> My condolences for your aunt. <owe the IRS $15,000> Ouch! Whenever there is a big payoff the government will be there. :|

Patrick> <watching things again... knowing the outcome> Knowing what's going to happen doesn't necessarily spoil the story if it is done well.

Spacebabie> <check out the food booths> You bet'cha! Been a while since I've gone to one but they sure are fun. <Sushi was good we also had Sake with the sushi> It's been a while for me. I need to find a good sushi place here... As for sake I've had some exceptional stuff that the sake brewers keep for themselves. Wow you wouldn't believe how amazing the stuff can taste. That aside most women I know, my mom and sister included, prefer plum wine. I guess for some sake is just too harsh on the taste buds. :)

Dreamie> **kiss, snuggle, cuddle, nuzzle** I love you! ^_^

Well that's all the time I have for now. Bye bye everybody!

**Winterwolf scampers off**

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 02:55:14 PM
IP: 12.231.21.127

CALLING ALL ARTISTS!!

The 2002 Calendar Contest will be ending April 5th (this Friday) IF you have an idea you would like to enter, but you're worried about finishing it on time..CONTACT ME at siryn7@aol.com or gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com to work something out.

The theme is gargoyles on the beach, if any artists would like to participate PLEASE do so! (Otherwise, we might not be able to have a claendar at all. ^_^;;)

Thankyou guys!

ps. Sorry I haven't been around lately or slow with Gathering questions..I've been very sick. -_-;;;
Siryn - [gatheringofgargoyles@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 01:20:38 PM
IP: 129.21.145.3

I feel a bit guilty for continuing to post with the image of Demona when Delilah (so like my name) is available as well... but I'm choosing to ignore that based on the fact that Demona kicks a*s.
Furthermore; yea for me, I used haggis in a midterm essay which systematically tore apart my professor's weak thesis. I eagerly await the END of these blasted exams. This weekend should be fun... our school is putting Rocky Horror... and I've never been. What to wear, what to WEAR?
Replies:
Todd-Honestly now, have you never thought up cruel and unusual punishments for idiots who REALLY deserve it? (Driving 50 in the fast lane and never pulling over, people who take up TWO parking spaces b/c they fail to utilize their BRAINS while parallel parking, etc.)
Daphne- that must be so satisfying. No guilt, as well!
Josh- The weather is seventy degrees and sunny. Or was yesterday. Now it's grey and I'm going back to sleep until it improves. (about an hour) Tell me... WHY leave l.a. to go north? It's like leaving the US for... I won't say it ;-)
Spacebaby- Ever consider that you might want to preserve the fang? I've heard they're great for eating rare steak and getting in fights... not that I'd KNOW...
Revel- Switching the salt and sugar!!! I've been doing that for YEARS! Also managed to convince three gullible philosophy majors that Bin Laden had been caputred and was being held at the site of the bombing for public ridicule. (Remind me what philosophy majors DO with their degree?)
To all who've recently been on Spring Break- I envy you and cry into my ridiculous amount of pillows that I've been back in school since mid march. At least summer starts soonish...
Goodnight, everyone! ::joyously diving back into bed until much later class::
-Lila
Lila - [liejones@yahoo.com]
LA, CA, USA
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 12:41:15 PM
IP: 134.173.121.16

So people keep saying it is slow. Well, I personally say it is slow because we all or at least most of us just came off our breaks only to return to the meat grinder that had been awaiting us. I don't know about y'all but that's damn depressing since I had a great break.
So now I'm half awake about to go to history, amazed I can even type and an art history paer due tomorrow as well as a painting for next week. I'm not complaining, at least the painiting is fun.

Josh- welcome back, I'm sure I had work due the day I got back too, but I was still in by blissful, "I don't give a damn phase."

christine- happy belated birthday.

Lain- look at the bright side, atleast it was not hail the size of golf balls. Does hell to your paint job.

toon disney- Evil! They are so bad they cut the word "Hell" out of Awakenings 2, which, luckly I have on tape. Like the kids don't hear it everyday from theor parents... or maybe that was just mine.

No April fool's jokes anymore, not since the old switching the sugar and salt containers before breakfast. (yeah, that bad)

Terrky- we all know Lex could never be evil in TGS because then it would be above the PG rating. Lex would be the most evil of them all and well then we could lift Thom lines from other animes to get him to curse.

I need a nap (and many other things)

"Angie shinny!"
"I AM NOT SHINNY!!"

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 11:33:30 AM
IP: 129.120.230.108

Well I started to make progress on my term paper. and yesterday's test was a snap. I have to see the dentist tommorow, part of my tooth chipped off and now my upper left molar looks like a freaky fang, so I might need a cap or a crown.

replies
Wilek>>>Good joke.

SJ<<<And Wilek, don't even kid, because you as admin would make me the happiest man on Earth.>>>I thought if Eliza Dushku gave you a lap dance would make you the happiest man on Earth.

Gside<<<If not, he ca borrow mine>>>Let me guess you keep breast implants in a box in your room.

Josh<<<Why do YOU have to do it?>>>Cause he can’t reach it.<<<what's a glomp?>>>When a female anime character tackles and hugs someone that’s a glomp.<<<You know what I meant.>>>You have muscular pecs?<<<We're not that attractive, trust me.>>>Well I’ve seen your picture and you’re a cutie.<<<back when I've got my DSL modem plugged directly into my tower>>> At least you have a DSL modem.

Patrick<<<or did Goliath's public defender remind anyone else of Irma from "Ninja Turtles"?>>>I thought so too.

Lain>>>What the hell are you smoking???? Can I have some???

Friendly Anonymous person>>>Why do you keep wishing we all had a nice day and who are you?

Todd>>>How much for a copy of “The Mirror”?
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 10:49:35 AM
IP: 67.25.49.187

Jonathan> No need to apologies. I won't spoil things, but I encourage you to read on. Some of the questions you ask still have yet to be answered. Hopefully, by this season of Timedancer. As far as Brooklyn's view of time and history, I'd suggest reading "Flight into the Forest". It's part shameless self-promotion, but at the end, Brooklyn has to face that question of whether making a difference in time matters.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 10:40:20 AM
IP: 24.205.118.88

Lexy> odd...it should work....but I guess you can try Gavin@tankpolice.com if the other one wont work....
Gavin - [gabinu@furinkanhigh.com]
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 02:40:27 AM
IP: 161.45.210.171

**WARNING INCOMING DC TORTURE**
Well, I'm getting mad at DC. He has been messing with my 'net connection after I thought I had made it clear to him what happens to those who mess with me. :/ I stole a machine from an Illuminati wharehouse. It supposed to give a person memories of what he/she considers to be the most severe torture. ::Aims device at DC and fires it. Quickly disappears to put device back in the Illuminati warehouse.::

I think I wasn't caught.

Todd - actually, I'd prefer both to eliminate the sentinel plans and to save Senator Kelley's life.

Jonathan - I have a better answer. Brooklyn thought Lexington's fate was cruel.

Daphne - In my book, hyprocrisy ranks as one of the most serious offenses.

SJ - I was hoping Indiana would win.

This is still a slow week.

Damn it, DC blocked this post earlier.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 01:52:11 AM
IP: 204.94.193.17

Alright midterm tomorrow, so naturally I spent tonight studying my white butt off. Sorta.

I also got tired of dealing with iTunes not playing right on my machine. I broke down and shelled out for the Applecare extended warranty and called up my now-free tech support. We were on the phone for about 30-40 minutes and got nowhere. But we've narrowed the problem down to airport, I think, so I need to call them back when I've got my DSL modem plugged directly into my tower.

It looks like I'm gonna try to TA the programming class that I aced. So next semester I'll have a job 8-) That pays.

replies

Gunjack: <<CALL THE DEAN AND ASK HER TO CHECK ON ME>>: If my mom did that, I'd fly all the way home to smack her. <<The $#^@% action set me back a few days>>: You have a gun that !@#$s?

Lila: Ooh, a fellow losangelite. How's the weather down there? <<When I read of men being chained (all in good fun?) I couldn't help but drop a line in>>: Yeah, we get that a lot. <<self inflicted harm is BAD>>: Actually, some people are into that.

Todd Jensen: <<wouldn't a lot of those penalties violate the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution>>: Who said that the CR was bound by the constitution? <>: How much for a copy of Upgrade?

Patrick: <<the Cleveland Indians had the best record in all of baseball, having won every single game they'd played so far.>>: Unfortunately, no one cares since baseball is the most boring sport EVER. Except for Golf. <>: You flatter yourself. <<it's just fanfic. It's supposed to be FUN>>: And thus the creation of flame wars. <<You mean you actually have time to read those fics>>: As once-editor, its kind of important that I keep up with his universe. Plus, I really like them, and TGS is dead. <<I'm still trying to figure out how that guy finds time just to write them>>: It takes him a long time, and they're well done. Not like the crap I see posted on there every day.

Daphne: <<people have been encouraging me to take my revenge for the "guest policy", but I've been biding my time, and nature, fortune, fate, God, whatever you will, has smiled favorably>>: That doesn't count. You need to do your own dirty work.

Warpmind: <<You can find the backwaters of human society EVERYwhere in the world>>: Bizarre, isn't it?

Lain: <<oh sweet ethernet.. i shall never leave you.. if i have to use dial-up ever again, i think i shall perish>>: I think I've said something like that before. <<plus, its RED, and what could be better than THAT?>>: Black. <<how i missed thee, joshy-poo!>>: Don't call me that.

Jonathan: Before you ask questions like that, you might consider reading the entire universe. That will answer your questions. <<taking a mate from the past>>: No, you're mixed up. Brooklyn isn't changing the future because Sata *always* left 16th century Japan. Nothing Brooklyn does in the past "changes" the future because historical record shows that he did those things. For example, if Brooklyn (after Castle Wyvern was first raised above the clouds) cracked open a history book and looked up Sata, he'd find out that he took her out of 16th century Japan. Of course, he'd have no idea how he did that, but that's what the history book would say. Kinda confusing, huh? <<how can the future be>>: Well, no matter what Brooklyn does, the future is still gonna be exactly the way he experienced it, because that's "what happened" from the future's point of view. Whether Brooklyn tells lex what's gonna happen or not...its still gonna happen.

Ugh, I'm really tired. No idea why.

How'd they win? Well, they scored more points than we did.
-Larry Wurzel, on the 76'ers/Lakers playoffs

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 12:49:32 AM
IP: 64.161.27.42

Jonathan:< i don't want to diclose too much info about the TD seriese, because it is worth reading... but i would like to answer your quwstion about why they bumped into lex... cause that confused me too...

you see... in the third season of TD, when the twins are born, lex is there... only there is something wierd with him... he is a holographic image or something of the sort... so we at least know at that point, he was not evil or anything... and what the twins were saying about that, was that the emiters that allowed him to move around didn't not stretch that far, so they must have only kown lex in that time frame, which is why they assumed he was a holo image, so they bumped into him to see... but it has been a long time since i have read TD... thats the way i understood it... maybe someone on the staff may have a moe acturate answer
Terrky K - [terrky@terrykathsguitarclub.com]
Kansas
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 11:35:47 PM
IP: 64.197.200.101

Thanks, all, for the birthday wishes.

Warpmind > got the latest e-mail, thanks. I'll be working on Sabledrake later this week.

Not much going on. Work was a little noisy last night; one of the residents was singing "Old MacDonald" to the tune of that military count-off song, over and over. Try it; it works ... but not something you'd want to listen to for half the night. He spends the rest of his time acting like he's the only contestant on a game show no one else can see, suddenly shouting out things like "Mobile, Alabama!" or "President Nixon!"

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 11:35:18 PM
IP: 67.226.61.125

Okay I just got done reading part two of "Out of Joint" and I've got to know now. Does something terrible happen to Lexington in the future? I mean I guess I can live with Angela and Broadway leaving the clan but not the terrible fate that Brooklyn seems to hint at when he says "If I could change one life it would be his" (or words to that effect.) Please tell me that Lex doesn't become like he was in Future Tense."

Parts of the story were quite hard to follow. What was that whole scene with brook's kids bumping into Lexington all about and what about that communicator she had (I think she was talking in one).

Also it seems to me that Brooklyn's wish to not change the future is an impossible one. By taking a mate from the past out of the timeline and taking her to Manhatten plus the very fact of his time travelling will effect the time stream in many ways. The future he visited will probably still happen but there are bound to be changes. The past is immutable but how can the future be? The very knowledge of the future has to change things nothing can stop it.

Sorry if I'm starting up a discussion everyone wanted to be dead.
Jonathan - [Fiore17@flash.net]
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 08:53:55 PM
IP: 64.48.235.58

I hope every one had a nice. Well I hope you did have a nice day.
See ya ^_^
Anonymous
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 07:58:20 PM
IP: 152.163.207.52

oh, and did i mention its currently snowing snowflakes bigger than quarters?

mmmmm walking to school.... :P
lain
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 11:13:35 AM
IP: 64.228.199.192

aaaaah yes, i 'ave returned.

*GLOMMS COMPUTER*
oh sweet ethernet.. i shall never leave you.. if i have to use dial-up ever again, i think i shall perish..

i didnt posty for the past little while because.. well..i was really busy (exams) and the topic wasnt that inruguing. time travel? it be your story, do whacha wants wi' it.

i hope everyone had a happy easter thingie :)
what did i do for easter? well.. on good friday, i went to a scary, scary church service where they put on a little skit about the two thieves on the crosses next to the christ, which was quite good. in fact, the service was quite good, in the absolutely over-the-top cheesy way with powerpoint, little computer screens on the stage telling the singers what the words were, the electric guitars and drum kits and.. *shudder* then the pastor came out. he had a microphone. not like one of those little discreet things people wear on their ties, no. he had a big black thing STRAPPED TO HIS FACE. and the assembled masses were raising their trembling hands in the air saying "oh jesus, halleluja" and other such cheesery and the singers.. (i had been there during the rehersal, cos the people i went with were in the play, and even though the songs sounded exactly the same, i was amazed that they were so much more powerful when performed in front of an audience. it was really something.. one of the singers who sang normally during the rehersal had her hands raised in the air, gazing skyward with tears streaming down her face when there was an audience. truly amazing.) and the pastor was preaching and the guy on the electric keyboard was improving stuff with epic crescendoes and stark diminuendoes and it all combined to give me the impression of a big smelly pile of well-rehearsed cheese. maybe im just biased because the preacher yapped on about the "poor israelis" under "onslaught from the palestinians" for a little tooooo long.. to the point where i wanted to get up and storm out.. or wring his neck.. yeah.. neck wringing would have been nice.. or take the microphone off his head and jump on it for awhile.. what, me? bitter and frustrated? i think you have the wrong person....
yeah but in the end, im glad i went. it reminded me of why i dont ever want to go again.
:P

then i worked and boy, was it busy. its like "OMG the mall was closed yesterday and it will be closed tomorrow!!! NOOO!!!! two days when we cant SHOP!! whatever will we DO?!?! and the grocery stores were packed, too, as though everyone there *doesnt* have enough food in their house to last them a good two weeks.. MINIMUM..
though they say the natural habitat of the canadian *is* the mall so.. hmm.
then i went home, and had dinner with my dads fiances family, his fiances scary polish parents (we were regailed with many a war-story , that of course wed heard six times before but.. what does that matter?) and my dads fiances daughters boyfriend and HIS parents.. who are indian. (as in from india, not first nations). yeah.. lets just say it was a fun dinner...
then dad and i went home, the next day, he wrote me a cheque for 630$.. er.. not that he GAVE me that much but i had two canada savings bonds that had matured.. they were 100$ each when i got them and they were worth 200% some now.. yay! money for ME!! and we got me a super-duper on sale suitcase for me (as promised, youll remember) which is BY FAR WAAAAAAAAY better than the one of his that i had before! (plus, its RED, and what could be better than THAT?!) twas a good deal all round.
and now im back. arent you all glad?

and now i have to go to class.. booooo! oh well..

oooo and josh is back! YAY! how i missed thee, joshy-poo!

wilek as an admin.. ob baby yeah, we should be so lucky :P

more posty possibly later.

love ya, eh?
lain
the Great White North
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 11:08:40 AM
IP: 64.228.199.192

*Warpmind enters, whistling.*
Hiho, gang.

Christine: Naw, you just go ahead and print those spells & artifacts - it was what I sent them to you for, wasn't it? ;) (Oh, and I just sent another one, too.) As for the Dirty D&D spellbook - just a rumor I heard; could be a hoax. But I'm looking... }:) Oook, and happy belated; I really missed that earlier! :p

DPH: Exactly what Jarlsberg tastes like? Uh... how to describe it... *Ponder* Y'know, I don't think I *can* describe it accurately... But I think it resembles Swiss quite a bit. At least in shape.

Josh: Hey, I resemble that remark about who's Geographically Challenged! And you know what else? I *know* it all too well... ;p (And by the way, there are people in the US, who are thusly challenged, as well... You can find the backwaters of human society EVERYwhere in the world...)

Daphne: Hmmm... "unAmerican-American"... Doesn't quite ring right, seeing as it would probably be used on those not resident to the US... Y'know? ;)

Wilek: Dude, do you realise that such comments as your April's Fool post imperil the secret agendas of the Nereus Project? };)

Oh, right. Gunjack'n'Gside: Any ideas to devise "Mr. Hurt" will be viciously countered with my own "Mr. Doohickey". Just so you're warned. };)

Valentine: .338 Laupa Magnum, eh? Sounds like a good choice. Going for hollowpoint, FMJ or other kinds of projectile? (One of my personal sniper faves: Dry Ice.) }:) By the way, I'm considering having customized some new ammo for my air pistol. How much damage do you thing a 4.5mm HESH projectile would do, when propelled by light air pressure? };)

Daphne: Oh, yeah, the Karmic Revenge-style is oh-so-sweet... I know. }:)

Well, that concludes my post. See y'all around.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Naughty
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 10:31:16 AM
IP: 193.217.201.51

Re Toon Disney Edits of "Gargoyles": This is the kind of thing that makes me grateful that I taped all of the first two seasons while they were still running in syndication, in the spring of 1997.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 08:53:04 AM
IP: 168.191.109.10

ahh.... how nice when fortune so fully hooks you up...
My roommate had been working on this mildly hypocritical double-standard of a guest policy (my BF can't stay overnite, even though all we do is sleep (sorry, Josh) because it makes her uncomfortable -- although Mike never made her uncomfortable-- but her friends can stay over and get drunk *in the room* while I'm working on my homework), and she's pretty anal about the cleaniliness and neatness of her half of the room. She's been doing some other rather inconsiderate -- though by no means malicious -- things, too.
Now, people have been encouraging me to take my revenge for the "guest policy", but I've been biding my time, and nature, fortune, fate, God, whatever you will, has smiled favorably.
Her sorority (one of the ones that fear me, you'll recall) cmes in to "decorate" her room. which means streamers, signs, candy, presents... confetti, easter crass, glitter, a bit of underwear strewn about, and a layer a foot thick of enough shredded paper to make the boys at Enron proud. Everywhere. every drawer, every box, every shoe, every bag, every pocket... her shelf in the fridge (my idea... shhhh...)
I couldn't have planned it better if it had been my revenge, and this way Idon't have to clean up a speck. I took a picture. If I ever figure out how to send pics through my email account (sorry, Green Thomas... very smalle limit...), I'll be open for requests for it.

A rather nice early birthday present.

God bless!
Daphne
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 07:21:00 AM
IP: 129.68.10.47

:: wanders in before work ::

So there was a college basketball tournament going on? I hadn't noticed. :P

In other sports news... as of Monday morning, the Cleveland Indians had the best record in all of baseball, having won every single game they'd played so far. Today, they're just tied for first place with several other teams. But it's still fun to play with the statistics. >:)
Spacebabie > Feel free to try, but I think you'll have to fight Crzy and Mooncat for me first. ;)

Cyberclaw > In the words of Peter Falk as the Grandfather, "I can see you're taking this way too seriously." Seriously... it's just fanfic. It's supposed to be FUN.

Josh > You mean you actually have time to read those fics? I'm still trying to figure out how that guy finds time just to write them.

Seen on Toon Disney > "Goliath Chronicles" has been airing in the weekend "Hanging with the Heroes" slots. Hey... is it just me, or did Goliath's public defender remind anyone else of Irma from "Ninja Turtles"?

Not seen on Toon Disney > "Turf" aired last night. Cut was the sequence where Dracon's wiseguys leave the suitcase in the restaurant, as well as the ensuing explosion. So in yet another attempt to edit for political correctness, all we got was Brod showing up at the fire, with no hint of what had caused it. Still, though... it was fun seeing that one again... "Stop calling me Angie!!!"

:: checks the clock ::

Well... time now to make like a sheep and get the flock out of here. ;)

:: off to work ::
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 07:08:10 AM
IP: 66.72.204.179

WILEK - Um, wouldn't a lot of those penalties violate the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution (the part barring "cruel and unusual punishments" - and you can't deny that they're both, especially the latter)?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 06:54:01 AM
IP: 168.191.109.238

I was in the midst of procrastinating (midterms SUCK) when I was lucky enough to stumble across this site... lucky me... gargoyles lives on! Love the site, love the wit in some of your posts... When I read of men being chained (all in good fun?) I couldn't help but drop a line in...
note to "tim"- self inflicted harm is BAD... kudos for escaping without it. Full Metal Jacket...:shudder: Sounds like you went through hell.
Gunjack: <Haggis> EW!! Great name!!!
greetings to all- if time permits, I hope to make your acquaintances in here...
Lila - [liejones@yahoo.com]
LA, CA, USA
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 03:15:01 AM
IP: 134.173.121.16

From the top, in the key of "Du Hast".

So... yeah. I'm hating the whole world a little less at the moment, which is probably a good thing. Got called in to the Dean's office today; apparently, my ranting and brooding worried mum enough for her to *CALL THE DEAN AND ASK HER TO CHECK ON ME*. Flattering, in a way, but also nervewracking. Sorta like the IRS stopping by for tea.
I also seem to have aquired a stuffed animal, courtesy of my brother's fiance. Small purple plushie sheep bedecked with floral ribbons look... odd... when perched atop stacks of gun magazines, GURPS books, and weapon sketches. In an attempt to add some manliness to the poor tike, I've named him "Haggis", and plan to feed him nothing but whis- er, barley and herbs.

Sniper Rifle - Scope, Barrel, harmonic stabilizers, and action blank, with the forend in progress. The $#^@% action set me back a few days. ; P Caliber, in case I forgot to answer Warps earlier, is the .338 Laupa magnum.

Gside><<No, I just want him to be regular.>> Heh. Well put.
And who the heck is this English person? <<No, but I could get ten episodes in about 30 minutes off direct connect.>> Do so. Noir is good people. <<Heck, the most statistically arrogant country wouldn't be the US anyway, but China.>> Statistically arrogant? o.O <<But I could devise a device that could well be named "Mr. Hurt.">> Sounds fun. Let's do.

I'm with Gabe (the PA one, not the wookie one). April Fool's Day is a giant oral degreaser. Work was certianly a joke, by which I mean demeaning, painful, and rage inducing. Gimme another semester, and I'll be able to challange Pissy for the title of "most pathetic IRL job".

Art test in the morning. We never cover the interesting stuff. I found a sculpture by Donatello (specifically, "Prophet") that I'd swear was Roland Thompson in a toga.

*goes off to listen to Garbage and search for Vietnam war artists

"Happy nailing GOD to a peice of wood day!"
-Lain
Gunjack "Spastic Ballerina" Valentine
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 02:56:40 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Hmmm, nothing like doing work over Spring break and then coming back to class and finding out that you a) didn't need to do one assignment and b) had the other assignment done incorrectly.

!@#$ and I have a midterm on wednesday too.

I have no witty April fools joke.

Barracuda's new fic ROCKS.

Spacebabie: <<It feels crusty when I have to rub medicine on it>>: Why do YOU have to do it? <>: Surprisingly, I missed it. <<Josh!!!!!!!!!!* Glomps Josh*>>: Nice to see you too. And what's a glomp? <>: ::grins:: <<You have breasts?>>: You know what I meant. <<You just gave me an evil thought of chaining you and other single male cr dwellers to the wall>>: We're not that attractive, trust me.

DPH: <<top ten>>: You don't need to make excuses for people being stupid.

Wilek: Oh, if only you were an admin.

Sevarius: <<you as admin would make me the happiest man on Earth>>: I think you'd have a better time with ME as Admin.

Gside: <<This is a test of an alternative input system: ?????? ? ????>>: huh? <>: Sadly, I wasn't here for the old days. <<I'm sure you've said similar, if inverted.>>: True. But in my case, that *IS* a lovely image. For me. <<When did they start making pink Alka Seltzer?>>: Never used it, so I dunno. <<No, I just want him to be regular>>: Too much info for me, dude. <<Can I wield the octopus?>>: Is that more or less deadly than a cat-o-nine-tails?

Tim: <<If anyone tells you that Marine recruit training isn't like FULL METAL JACKET, they are either lying or have been fortunate enough to breeze through>>: Somehow, it doesn't surprise. Another reason I'm glad someone smacked me before I applied...

Wow, not much going on. And I need sleep.

"Know what separates the winners from the losers?" "Yeah, the score."
-Gene Hackman and Keanu Reeves, The Replacements

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 02:38:26 AM
IP: 64.168.29.171

Hi. I thought that I would drop in for a little while. Sorry I haven't post mor often since I came home from San Diego. I've been trying to find a job and get some classes to become a EMT. I figure it would be an interesting job and I also figure that if I couldn't become someone who kill people for a living, I should try to save people's lives.

Hell, I just want to serve. To serve and have a good time at it. That doesn't sound silly, does it? I feel really upset and depressed that I couldn't go through with boot camp and become a US Marine. Don't get me wrong; I'm glad I'm back, I was literally going crazy there. And I tried something that most people would give any serious thought into trying. But I still feel terrible that I couldn't acheive a major life goal. Becoming a Marine was *the* focus of my life for nearly 5 years. I put up with alot of resistance from family members and my weight trouble, and when I got there I couldn't handle it. I don't feel very regretful but rather very dissapointed in myself. My mind started to spin it's wheels without going anywhere, I was homesick, and... I always cried. I'm so angry at myself. I'm going to tell you something I have not told *anyone* else. I remember during one Saturday morning PT (Physical Training) that I cried all the way through, I was giving serious consideration to us a shaving razor a cutting my wrist just enough not to be serious but enough to get sent home. THAT scares me. I decided against it because I would be sent to Balboa Hostpital for observation and get red flagged a nut for the rest of my life. And I would really like to keep my CCW :) During my first week at PCP, on recruit tried to strangle himself to death in the head (restroom). I suppose he did that because there wasn't anything in the head to high enough to hang himself from. The DIs and other recruits said he did it as a chicken shit way to get out, but the kid's face was *purple* when they dragged him out. I don't think they even took him to Balboa because he was back in the squadbay later that night. He was isolated from the rest of the platoon and was force to sleep on a rack (bed) at the front of the squadbay for the next week before they let him go home.

Let's get something straight; If anyone tells you that Marine recruit training isn't like FULL METAL JACKET, they are either lying or have been fortunate enough to breeze through. They may not physically strike you (unless they think they can get away with it), but they WILL slam you against the wall or rack and make vulger personal remarks (i.e. my grandfather's death).

I'll be back with more horror stories. I trying to catch up on Glenn Beck's radio broadcast online.
Tim Phipps
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 01:17:31 AM
IP: 206.72.25.96

This is a test of an alternative input system: ?????? ? ????

Imzadi> <>: I remember the old days, when Traveleresque refered to length and Wilekean only to eldritch horror type insanity.
<<Thank you for that lovely image>>: I'm sure you've said similar, if inverted.
<<Alka-seltzer?>>: When did they start making pink Alka Seltzer?
<<Now THAT is scary>>: Thank you.
<<Are you suggesting that Wilek's posts are sh*t?>>: No, I just want him to be regular.
Spacebabie> <<Are you suggesting that Wilek's posts are sh*t?>>: Oh. If that's it, then.
<<Would the raisons be coated in crispies?>>: Couldn't tell you. Haven't had many run ins with elder gods.
<<You have breasts?>>: If not, he ca borrow mine.
<<chaining you and other single male cr dwellers to the wall>>: Whoo.

Wilek> <<an instant enema of piping hot fry vat grease>>: Promise?
<<Impersonating an admin will result in being dressed in leather and flogged with an octopus>>: Can I wield the octopus?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Tuesday, April 2, 2002 12:50:29 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

MARYLAND WINS! MARYLAND WINS!!!

SCREW *YOU*, HOOSIERS!!!

Ah, I love it when the local boys totally screw over and embarrass everyone else in the country.

And Wilek, don't even kid, because you as admin would make me the happiest man on Earth.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Monday, April 1, 2002 11:19:56 PM
IP: 207.172.11.147

Hey all! Geez I've been busy ..too busy to post I guess.

Gavin- I can't email you with that link. It doesn't work.

Eh..tired..work tommorrow. *leaves*

(better post later) <----- Doesn't specify 'later' for a reason -_-;
Lexy
Monday, April 1, 2002 10:22:53 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Ahem.

The august Administration, having decided that the keeping of peace requires a bit more of an...unorthodox touch, has appointed me to the position of Co-Administrator. I have taken the liberty of enacting a few new bylaws, effective immediately:

1) Banning results in an instant enema of piping hot fry vat grease.
2) Spamming will result in the spammer's reconfiguration via fleshcrafting into a toilet for elephants.
3) Flame wars are allowed, if each participant performs one act of ritual self-mutilation IRL per flame post.
4) Impersonating an admin will result in being dressed in leather and flogged with an octopus.
More to come as I think of them.

Music! [Someone tosses Wilek a microphone from offstage.]
<to the tune of Dentist> I am your admin! I have a talent for all things insane! Worship your admin! And his penchant for creative PAIN! Some call my methods medieval, but they'll soon learn to love my reign of evil, I am your admin--and I am your GOD!

(Incidentally...APRIL FOOL. ^_^)
Wilek
Monday, April 1, 2002 10:07:58 PM
IP: 216.65.106.130

When I was posting just after the room had cleared, I appeared to be "second" - it was just that a lot of other people came and posted their "Top Tens" while I was typing up my post.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, April 1, 2002 09:35:14 PM
IP: 63.183.39.174

Imzadi - <About that top ten: guys, I know I'm working my way towards a lofty engineering degree, but all you liberal arts majors really need to be able to count if you're gonna serve me TWO orders of fries with my burger at McD's. > I can type my top 10 post in 10 seconds, but I take the time to check it first. Brooklyn should have looked all the way at the bottom. Tribun should have noticed (despite being off by a lot) that if Brooklyn claimed 2nd and Emanbu posted after that, he couldn't be 3rd. Mooncat corrected his mistake. Todd apparantly made a spelling type because he misspelled seven. You're right, Imzadi, about people needing to learn how to count.

Cyberklaw - what does history being immutable (or not) have anything to do with the characters "earning" happiness? Did you ever see the Spiderman series finale? In part 2, after Spiderman saw two different alternate universes (a really bad situation and a really good situation), he finally appreciated his own universe. Did Spiderman "earn" his happiness then?

I do have a complaint: there is anonymous poster at IP of 68.6.245.60. There is also another anonymous poster at IP of 64.12.107.159. There is yet another anonymous poster at IP of 205.188.201.147. How are we supposed to tell you three apart? Trust me, being one of the most resident paranoid members of the CR, these guys won't kill you.

If anyone wants to disagree about me being paranoid, look up my early days in the CR. I think everybody will agree I'm not as paranoid as I was back then.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, April 1, 2002 08:29:05 PM
IP: 204.94.193.20

I hope all of you had a nice Easter.
Anonymous
Monday, April 1, 2002 07:05:03 PM
IP: 205.188.201.147

Actually, in light of all those reports of American students being unable to locate the United States on a map of the world, maybe it's us Americans who should be called "geographically-challenged".... :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, April 1, 2002 06:39:03 PM
IP: 168.191.109.28

Taleweaver>>>

You seem to have misunderstood. I'll repeat:

I am NOT talking about knowing the end of stories. I am fine with that. I am talking about fictional universes in which it has been ESTABLISHED that the future cannot be changed.

In stories in which this has been established, I feel it can give the impression that whatever victories, gains, loves, happy times, etc, that the characters achieve, they haven't 'earned' them, making it a less satisfying story. They achieved those things because that was the way things were going to turn out, regardless of the choices of the characters.

But in fictonal universes where the future can be changed, whatever the characters achieve, they have 'earned' through their actions and choices, because there is the knowledge that had diferent choices been made during the story, things could have occurred differently. That makes for a more satisfyng story to me.

Well, just me take on it...
Cyberklaw
London, UK
Monday, April 1, 2002 06:12:22 PM
IP: 205.188.195.32

One of the perks of catholic schooling: easter break! I hope everyone had a pleasant Holy Week/Passover/Bunny Bash/Weekend/Whatever.

Time Travel>> scares me. Not gonna try it. And if you tell me I have to because I did, I want to meet myself as proof. If I had to (without meeting myself), I'd only want to go forward, and I wouldn;'t want to meet my own descendants or hear about my future. I need to do things somewhat my way.

Hey, I'm watching Time Chasers on MST3K. How apropos.

Christine>> 'grats on the nomination! :) and happy belated b-day

Warpmind>> <What's next? That the term "foreigner" will be replaced by "geographically challenged"? > I thought it was "unAmerican-American" :)

Mooncat>> <Since Brenden and Margot's pressence in the past and their actions did not depend on any of the events they've just changed, there is no paradox, and no one within that time stream is aware that the past has changed. > but maybe they did. What if Margot was the descendant of a prince who was initially supposed to marry Katherine, but when Katherine disappeared he married the woman who would be Margot's ancestor...?

Ok, ttfn. God bless!
Daphne
Monday, April 1, 2002 05:33:28 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

That Boy aint right and by that boy I mean my brother. He got another tattoo on his back beneath his neck. It feels crusty when I have to rub medicine on it.

part of one of my fillings came loose and it looks like part of tooth is about to chip off. I have to go to the dentist to get that fixed.

Eeeeek I can't believe I forgotten Christine's Birthday...

:::Wheels in an ice cream cake with frosting decorated to looks like Cat Sabledrake, pours some wine, hands out Jerico cookies and Darkfire noisemakers.

Happy Belated Birthday

Gside<<<So you like those then, do you?>>>I like those cause they make the boys happy and when the boys are happy then Spacebabie is happy<<<Cthulu Bran: start your morning with a gibber.>>>Would the raisons be coated in crispies?

SJ<<<he's gone AWOL>>>No that would be what my brother does.<<<He on spring break or something? >>>Yes.<<>>I knew you would.

Josh<<>>Josh!!!!!!!!!!* Glomps Josh*<<<Thank you for that lovely image.>>>Yes Ethan is lovely<<<Alka-seltzer?>>>Nope Mr. Bubble.<<<Her breasts aren't that great. I've seen better. In the last few days.>>>I bet you have.<<>>You have breasts?<<>>You just gave me an evil thought of chaining you and other single male cr dwellers to the wall and well I shall break into Crzy’s stash.

"Note to all tourist's I'm an armed native."~Florida bumper sticker.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Monday, April 1, 2002 01:07:00 PM
IP: 67.24.94.72

Hey! Hey! Hey!

Glad to hear the happy Easter weekend stories. Happy Belated Birthday Christine.

Cyberklaw> I follow your point. I agree in part. I remember someone mentioning the end of tension during the Second Unseelie War storyline. Timedancer spoiled the outcome of the war so folks knew not to worry.

But let me ask you this. When you read stories don't you know how it will end before you read it. Seldom do stories end unexpectedly. In the fantasies, I've read the good guys win and the bad guys lose. I'm sure a villainous ending is possible. (It's harder to get that dramatic payoff, but it's possible.)

What you're talking about is the classic debate between free will and determinism. Within stories, I find it's more important because it makes whether a story is compelling or contrived. I don't think any want to read a story where the characters do things because they are forced to from outside the story. Much better to have characters act in consistant ways that create the tension.

But let me add, that dramatic tension in Gargoyles and in TGS hasn't solely resided in threats to life and limb. Whether the gargoyles live another day or not is only part of it. Whether they find happiness and achieve their dreams is also part of it.

As a storycrafter once told me. A story is rewarding by how much you suspend you disbelief. How much depends on the storyteller.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Monday, April 1, 2002 08:40:44 AM
IP: 24.205.118.88

DPH - Well, I think that it makes better sense to prevent the assassination of Senator Kelly than to just prevent the development of the Sentinels. After all, Kelly's assassination was what led to the general anti-mutant outcry, which led, in turn, to the massive Sentinel program. Without the intense anti-mutant hostility, there'd be no call for building and deploying Sentinels. So it makes better sense to prevent the anti-mutant hysteria - that's the real root of the problem. The Sentinels are just the tip of it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, April 1, 2002 08:12:03 AM
IP: 63.183.39.200

Greetings all...

Spent yesterday working, but brother was Easter dead. People must have been at home having ham, turkey, or other such eatables for Easter Dinner.

Also spent last night installing new software on my new system (which I've taken to naming "Sata", don't ask me why.); Photoshop 5.5, Pagemaker 6.5, Illustrator 10 and a slew of support files and programs. Now that I have the disk space, I can finally have all the design programs I need to get back into practice with those skills I'm supposed to have thanks to my college degree.

I've said it before, but Congrats to Christine on her story, and Happy Birthday! Noteworthy, since whenever it's her b-day, mine is only 10 days later. ^_^

Moment of Silence for Britain's Queen Mum. I lived in England for 3 years, and you didn't go around there without hearing something about the Royals. Can't say that we Americans get attached to our Presidents, but the Brits loved the Queen Mum dearly. So much, one year a bunch of grade-school level kids got together and recorded a special song in her honor "Grandma We Love You". A very sweet song (made my twin sister cry, since she was homesick while we were over there).

Here's to Britain's Grandma... forever may she reign.

SHINIGAMI - Never visited your art site before... <PERK> Love all the lovely gargies!

Got to go for now... I have to put together a list of my fellow crew today to begin the process of training evaluations. God things are going to be interesting as Training Manager.

Take care all... Maintain and Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616@yahoo.com]
Tampa, Fl, USA
Monday, April 1, 2002 07:50:33 AM
IP: 65.35.129.166

The wagers are OFF! Friday? Bah, I wish vacation was that long.

I HAVE RETURN-ED!

Aren't you all stoked? Well, I know some of you are. I was reading the CR the whole week, and some of you guys said some really nice stuff about me...suckers.

I realized over this week that I really can, in fact, live without the CR. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm going away yet. I contemplated returning with a Wilekkian post (since you all know it would only take me a week to put together what it takes him a month's worth of responses to write). But I decided against it, because quite frankly I don't care.

Interesting tidbit of information: In South Park (the movie), when the army is marching by Kyle's house and Kyle is putting Ike in the attic...you can spot JESUS in the army ranks (sans helmet).

Spring break was the best ever. SOOOOOO relaxing. But my flight was bright and early, and I haven't really slept much in the last 48 hours. So I'll make this short and sweet. NOT!

Happy b-day Christine, since I missed it.

I bought THREE new star wars books (I really haven't been very good at keeping current) and in the last three days I've devoured about 800 pages of Jedi and other fun stuff.

About that top ten: guys, I know I'm working my way towards a lofty engineering degree, but all you liberal arts majors really need to be able to count if you're gonna serve me TWO orders of fries with my burger at McD's.

Time Travel comments: If any of you ever tells me to get a life, I will immediately refer you to these comments, well documented in our archives ;-) Not that I think any of you are wrong, or right, or whatever...cuz really, I've never had a problem wrapping my brain around any time-travel method which made sense for a given series (naturally, this excludes the finale of Voyager - which would have made Einstein go cross-eyed).

Spacebabie: I missed you too. <<cause I soo want him to bang me>>: Thank you for that lovely image. <<My Feminine wilys>>: Wiles. And that presumes a lot. <<Does SJ bother you?>>: Nope. <<Are you pink have a sweet smell and tend to geth foamy when you mix with water?>>: Alka-seltzer? <<Yeah that’s the REAL reason you want to see Miss Berry>>: Her breasts aren't that great. I've seen better. In the last few days.

Leo: <<Do people wait in anticipation jut to be in the to 10?>>: Only the losers. The cool people just get lucky. Then again, cool people wouldn't be at their computers over the weekend anyway... <<That was such a long post that, before the "xanatos" finally loaded, I thought Josh was back>>: Awwww...did you have a cake ready?

Christine: Congrats on Night of the Living Impaired.

Sevarius Jr: <<Oh my God, black people were nominated this year. You disappoint me, Academy>>: If it were anyone else, this wouldn't be funny. <<As for Jon Voight….eh, I want to bang his daughter>>: Sadly, that job is taken. <<to try and decide whether it’s a 2 or 4 tissue night>>: 2. <>: I agree. It might have actually made you THINK! But then it wouldn't have been nominated. <<no one ever wants to vote for those (i.e. Crouching Tiger last year>>: Wrong. No one voted for Crouching Tiger because it SUCKED DONKEY BALLS. <<to see Halle Berry talk about how horrible her life has been>>: I wish someone would pay *ME* $500,000 to show my breasts for three seconds. <<Where the hell is Josh?>>: Right here. I can't chain myself to the CR *all* the time. Hell, I even posted during Gathering and while I was on other vacations. This is my first break in a year ;-) <>: No, I told everyone I was going away. You should pay more attention ;-) <>: That made it a 4 tissue night, huh? <<everyone, go see Blade 2>>: Hell yeah. But that soundtrack SUCKED.

Patrick: <<it's time to go make the donuts (in my case, "make the donuts" means "design highway improvements for the betterment of society">>: That sounds like my lab project! <<people in engineering and other such Dilbert professions undergo a process by which they become desensitized to meaningingless banter (such as words like and "synergy") and other assorted BS that rains down from the leadership>>: Or, if you're good, you get desensitized long before you enter the jobmarket. <<1, 2, 2, 4, 6, 2, 9... I can see I need to keep practicing my counting. Damn that new math>>: That new math means your job, buddy!

Gunjack: <>: LOL! <<The term "-Challenged" implies that there's something wrong with the country they came from origionally>>: Which is exactly true.

Greg X: <<when is Christopher Lee going to get a nod from the Academy?>>: When he stops having bit parts.

Gside: <<Unles you have sex changed mad scientists (specializing in robotics) at your beck and call>>: Now THAT is scary. <<Wilek to eat more bran>>: Are you suggesting that Wilek's posts are sh*t? <<So you like those then, do you?>>: I think we all do.

Stephen: <>: Before I make that judgement I'd have to know more about price and components. And honestly...I don't care.

DPH: <<the day seems slow and I know why. Imzadi is on vacation>>: Sorry I've been quiet. I've been...busy. <<Why does everyone want to avoid jury duty?>>: Because its a complete waste of a day. <>: One nice thing about having a company make your hardware AND your OS is that they won't bounce you back on forth on tech support.

Warpmind: <<the term "foreigner" will be replaced by "geographically challenged"?>>: well, everyone who doesn't live in the US *is* geographically challenged ;-)

Tribun: <<At the moment ,I read primary the storys of "The Barracuda". I hope ,he continiues soon>>: Don't worry, he's working on it. He works a lot faster than the TGS staff, to be sure, but he's really only got one timeline going on.

Jan: <<should be returning home soon. I miss his posts>>: Awww. <<Just because you do not find any interest in people’s daily lives or events that happen in the real world does not mean it’s necessary to insult or degrade them>>: I think you're reading a bit much into that. Any insulting is unintentional. When people say that, they mean that they don't NEED to respond to the details of people's lives. <<she threw him out of a 2nd story window>>: That's gonna be one screwed up kid. <<worse case scenario I am going to owe the IRS $15,000>>: That's pretty bad. I get ticked off when I owe $100 more than I think I do.

Shinigami: You spelled "miscellaneous" wrong on your site. Otherwise, it looks great.

Coyote: <<Hey, girlfriend>>: Yes, you do sound like a fat woman when I read that.

Okay well its early still but I think I'm gonna crash. I need to be up in 11 hours. And I haven't slept in 40 or so.

hmmm...wonder which quote I posted last. Oh well, this seems to work in light of the whole "geographically challenged" thing.

Norway pretty much sucks.
-Warpmind de Inzane, TGS Comment Room

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenuts.com]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, April 1, 2002 12:48:54 AM
IP: 64.161.27.42

Worlfram> <<ie killing one's younger self>>: That wasn't the question. It was if the yournger one killed the older one.

Leo> <<before the "xanatos" finally loaded>>: I am so glad I had to remind myself what that statement meant.

Warpmind> <<WSPCA(sp?) shut the whole arrangement down a few years back... officially>>: A true shame.
<<I'm tellin' ya, Jarlsberg is excellent on pizza>>: I will gladly believe you. Just don't usually have much on hand.
<<So the Cheddar is still standing strong, anyway>>: That's all I wanted, not a smirch on the name of Cheddar.

Lunagirl> <<Is there a website somewhere where I can buy>>: I hear Ebay has a wonderful variety of wares. Some of which don't even have physical manefestations.

Happy birthday Christine.

And it's about time for some Nobuo Uematsu. You know, the FF guy. This time, it's Aria de Mezzo Careterre, aka the FFVI opera scene.

Na zdorov'ya.

Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, April 1, 2002 12:25:23 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

I mentioned "Future Tense", not because it's a time travel story, but because of the actions. Goliath refused to use the Phoenix Gate to travel back in time to prevent that future because he learned history can not be altered.

Warpmind - <When you say "best alternative", I assume you mean based on current technology?> Of course, based on current technology.

cyberklaw - <Yes, it’ll be interesting to see what he gets up to, and there can be tension with people he meets along the way, but no tension can be gained from having Brooklyn in dangerous situations, since we will always know he’s going to come through okay.> I can agree to that point to a certain extent. Let's also talk about bad writing on tv: in the middle season and you know no major cast has left, what would the point be in placing any of the major characters in extreme peril? Of course, it would be interested if Brooklyn decided to place his life in jeopardy around someone who knew Brooklyn couldn't die.

Warpmind - What does "Jarlsberg" cheese taste like? Even dumber question: There's a cheese called Mun . . what's that taste like?

Off the Dilbert website, I got this:

FROM THE DESK OF THE EVIL HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR:

Performance Appraisal for President Bush:
He appears ever productive and has been seen dropping in at off hours. President Bush works behind the scenes. President Bush shows an interest in related tasks not assigned to him. It would be accurate to say that his core values show through in his work. President Bush has left his mark on the division and no one has caught him sleeping on the job.

I have decided to read through the Dilbert website.

Off the Dilbert website, I got this:

FROM THE DESK OF THE EVIL HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR:

Performance Appraisal for President Bush:
He appears ever productive and has been seen dropping in at off hours. President Bush works behind the scenes. President Bush shows an interest in related tasks not assigned to him. It would be accurate to say that his core values show through in his work. President Bush has left his mark on the division and no one has caught him sleeping on the job.

Here's the review for President Clinton:
FROM THE DESK OF THE EVIL HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR:

Performance Appraisal for President Clinton:
Such an employee demonstrates the importance of proper recruiting. He works behind the scenes. President Clinton shows an interest in related tasks not assigned to him and he shows potential for unbounded improvement. He has left his mark on the division. No one has caught President Clinton sleeping on the job.

Todd - < we could add onto it the question that I raised some weeks ago at Station 8 over whether changing the past (if it was possible) would be the right thing to do. I argued there that even if it could be done, it shouldn't be done, not only because of all the danger of temporal paradoxes, but also because it would be a refusal to abide by the consequences of one's own past actions - almost like "I didn't really mean that move; let me take it back."> It depends on what the event was and when the time traveller is relative to the event. Suppose nuclear war broke out. I won't mind going back in time to prevent the nuclear war. But let's say, somebody a year from now decides to go back in time to prevent collapse of the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Sorry, but I am against preventing that until the full consequences of those actions are revealed. (wait at least 100 years before considering undoing that event). This falls in the line of "Do the ends justify the means?" debate when it comes to any event in history.

In the case of the X-MEN tv series universe, I would agree they are justified, but they aren't going about it adjusting history the right way. In case of eliminating the sentinel problem, here's some solutions:
1)bring back a computer virus designed to delete all plans for sentinels and launch it.
2)find out where the current batch of sentinels was built and destroy the place. Repeat as often as necessary.
3)Prevent any events that lead to Sentinels being rebuilt.

Let's make wagers on what time Imzadi's next post will be. I'm betting on Friday.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, March 31, 2002 10:02:13 PM
IP: 204.94.193.33

Well, today was a good day. Had Easter dinner. Leg of Pork, Deviled Eggs, all sorts of food. All very good.

I also watched the great Easter movie on TV today... by that I mean "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" on AMC. Geez, out of all the movies that AMC has in it's archives, they choose to play this one three times on today of all days. No better way to celebrate the resurrection of Christ than by watching evil Indian cultists rip people's hearts out and lower them into molten pits. That and I finally learned, after almost two decades that the name of "The Evil Cult Leader Guy With the Horned Helmet Who Rips People's Hearts Out" (this is what I used to call him, word for word) is Mola Rom, now I can finally die in peace. Easter is truly a day of enlightenment. And that blonde woman who shrieks every other second is still very annoying.

So, Happy Easter to all.

MARA> Great update, but I already told you this ;)

Umm, nothing else to say. Gods, it's boring in here.
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, March 31, 2002 09:43:27 PM
IP: 216.179.5.52

Two things to comment on...

1. My website has updated. New Gargoyles art and the brand spanking new release of a new hopeful to becoming webcomic idea I've been playing with. Link to
http://mazokupuppet.art-chicks.com

or click my name.

2. Lynati's posted a KICK ASS filk tribute to Cyrway in the fic archive.. you should really go check it out. NOW.

That is all, I'm going to go make some tea now...
Shinigami
Sunday, March 31, 2002 09:15:59 PM
IP: 172.171.21.149

You're kiddin'... nobody's posted all day? Hm. Well, I have a website update to put up. :)

Ravyn: **hugs** Hey, girlfriend. :)
Coyote the Bando - [gathering_motor_city_2004@hotmail.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, March 31, 2002 08:57:02 PM
IP: 216.234.124.207

Cyberclaw > "Vows," the first episode where the Phoenix Gate was used. Old Demona was unable to change what from her perspective was the past, and young Demona was similarly unable to alter events that from her perspective were in the future.

Patrick Toman
Sunday, March 31, 2002 08:14:53 PM
IP: 66.72.192.127

OK, this discussion could run and run. But a few points...

I'm not talking about knowing the end of stories. That doesn't bother me. What I'm talking about is within the fictional world of the stories, ifthe future is immutable, then it does' matter what the characters do, because they nevr have any chance to affect their fate, its going to turnout the way it does regardless. But if the future within that fictional world canbe changed, then it feels more like the characters have earned whatever ending they get, because it was their choices and actions that led to it, not because it ws all predetermined by an immutbl future. That's what bugs me, a fictonal world in which the future cannot be changed. Guess I didn't explain it too well before.

Which brings us, once more, to what I think is the core of this discussion.

In the Gargoyles Universe, is the future immutable?

That's it. That's all I want to know, then this discussion is over for me. If the answer is yes, can you tell me in what episode this was established? I accept the past is immutable, I'm not debating that. Just the future.

Can anyone answer me?
cyberklaw
London, UK
Sunday, March 31, 2002 07:09:43 PM
IP: 205.188.197.46

Happy Easter, everybody!
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, March 31, 2002 06:33:42 PM
IP: 168.191.109.189

Happy Easter to those who celebrate it, either way ; )

Warpmind > I'm not familiar with any Dirty D&D Spells, but you know me ... I'd be interested to hear!

Had a slightly bizarre birthday. Got a Barbie I won't take out of the box (I'm not a Smithers-type collector, but I do like the ones in cool historical costumes; the new addition is Egyptian princess Barbie), a DVD I can't watch until May when we buy the DVD player (The Mummy Returns, more Egypt) and a teakettle I didn't need (well, the old one is pretty ugly but it does boil the water). Stayed up too late gaming and hiding eggs, and now I'm worried we didn't find them all. Got my check for the zombie story -- about time, since here it is getting great reviews and nominations and all!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, March 31, 2002 06:25:24 PM
IP: 67.226.47.150

I have been a gargoyle fan since it started and I have the Gargoyles movie along with one of the tapes<deeds of deception> But gargoyles are back I was channel surfing when I saw Goliath,I'm thinking don't get your hopes up. It turns out that on week nights from 11:00 to 12:00 two gargoyles episodes are on on toon disney and on saturdaya and sundays at around the time of 3:00 between 5:00 something like that so that alone is worth ordering toon disney if you can and don't already have it. Is there a website somewhere where I can buy a Demona figure Cause even though Brooklyn is my favorite the toy looks really stupid. Gargoyles Rule!
Lunagirl - [lunagirl@sailormoonfan.com]
Florida, U.S.
Sunday, March 31, 2002 04:45:09 PM
IP: 199.174.249.183

SJ> yes, Josh is on Spring Break (this past week) and should be returning home soon. I miss his posts.

Now for some boring trivial stuff. You know, before I begin I just want to say that it’s incredibly rude to start a conversation/post with words to the effect of: “ at last - something worth responding to!” Just because you do not find any interest in people’s daily lives or events that happen in the real world does not mean it’s necessary to insult or degrade them.
That being said, I will continue.

Thank you for all of the condolences concerning the death of my aunt. I found out more of the details after arriving in Kansas – she had an aneurysm on her aorta valve that finally broke. The cardiologist in Kansas City said that this should have been discovered a couple of months ago when she first went to see her own cardiologist from Wichita.
Anyway, after a mad-dash 900 mile round trip weekend, we are settling into life knowing that she is no longer a part of.

Anna’s court custody hearing was this past week. I was very proud of the way she presented herself in court and in front of the judge. She was awarded sole custody and full parental rights to baby Zach. (the judge’s clerk told me the next day that the judge commented on how well Anna did and that he appreciated her respect, manners, and dress code in the court room) : )
The papers will be sent to the sperm donor. This may create a problem with his parents if they see them or see the envelope from the county court here. Oh well, sounds like a personal problem to me. *shrugs* The only concern that we have is if his parents find out about the baby, they will attempt some type of court action themselves. However, the most that they can gain is some type of very limited visitation rights… supervised and here in Missouri.
The sperm donor continued calling or emailing Anna with claims of not having to abide by the ex parte that was filed against him because he technically was not served by a law enforcement agent. So, when she went to the court hearing on the ex parte, that judge issued a demand that the donor be served. Hehe i.e. the order had been mailed to Harris County and an officer will personally serve him. Some day maybe he’ll learn not to be arrogant or cocky with me. He can also explain this to his parents while he’s also explaining why he never told them about the baby.
The last time his mom became furious with him, she threw him out of a 2nd story window.

I took my papers to the accountant this week. He did a quick overview and said worse case scenario I am going to owe the IRS $15,000. Yeah buddy – really made my day. =\ He’s going to work on it and sees what he can do to get that figured reduced. I *might* be able to deduct the cost of my house instead of that being income. (sold stock to pay for the house) But if not – it’s still cheaper to pay the $15,000 instead of paying the next 30 years for the house.

I went to an auction yesterday – bought lots of useless items but it was fun ;) Zach went along for his first auction – breaking the kid in right ;) Anna did purchase a very nice coffee table and two end tables set. Of course, it’s in storage right now but she will be using it eventually.
Speaking of which, she received the approval for her FmHA loan, but they said that the funds are not available at this time. They will have them within the next 3-6 months, though. Even though I will miss having them around – I’ll also be glad when she has her own place to live.

Time Traveling Debate: I’m like SJ – it’s irrelevant. You can write it however you want it. Afterall, these are fics – as in NOT real. As long as your timeline works out alright, you can have time traveling or not.

It’s finally a beautiful day here and I’m going to do some yard work.
Jan
Sunday, March 31, 2002 02:54:30 PM
IP: 12.110.237.125

*Warpmind strolls in, grinning savagely, whip in one hand, and a wooden cup in the other.*
I'll give you guys three guesses as to what my plans for the evening are. But you must choose... wisely. };)

spacebabie: And those other plans cannot be set in, uh, motion in a kitchen? Gee, how advanced are ya gonna get? };)

And on a side note, I see that the count apparently got a bit confused this time, hmmm? ;)

DPH: When you say "best alternative", I assume you mean based on current technology? Personally, I'll wait for cold fusion, microfusion or other high-output systems that have enough oomph to keep a vehicle hovering above the ground... eh? :)

Gside: I suppose you might handle the sheep matters... Anyway, it's a moot point; WSPCA(sp?) shut the whole arrangement down a few years back... officially. };) As for this cheesy debate, I'm tellin' ya, Jarlsberg is excellent on pizza. As a *variation*. But it's not something to use *every* time. So the Cheddar is still standing strong, anyway.

Okay, that just about covers it. I'm off to have a remarkably good time tonight. Refer to beginning of post. };)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, March 31, 2002 01:33:11 PM
IP: 193.216.46.32

Where the hell is Josh?

I swear, he's gone AWOL. He on spring break or something?

Time Travel: You people are all silly.

Alright, here's a suggestion. If you want to use time travel in your fics, you have two choices. You can:

1. Abide by what Weisman says.

2. Screw that, and do your OWN thing. Hell, you can have Goliath go back in time and have him kick Hitler in the ballies if you want.

It's really very simple.

Spacebabie: I saw that whipped cream remark, young lady! ;)

Oh, and everyone, go see Blade 2. Best 2 hours of gratuitous gore and martial arts fighting that I've spent in a long time.
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:42:51 PM
IP: 207.172.11.147

Greg> That was such a long post that, before the "xanatos" finally loaded, I thought Josh was back.
Leo
Sunday, March 31, 2002 11:46:51 AM
IP: 172.150.112.117

Happy Easter to all of you. And have a nice day to.
Anonymous
Sunday, March 31, 2002 11:00:58 AM
IP: 64.12.107.159

A long while back, Greg Weisman wrote this up.

Oh, and Cyberklaw. Be sure to read the second to last paragraph.

***

There's been a little debate in the comment room, regarding the Archmage time travel loop, time travel in general, and the subject of free will in the Gargoyles universe. I posted my two cents, but thought I should include it here too, in case anyone missed it:

Oh, I'm probably going to regret this, but...

Gary, Gary, Gary> Yep. There is a loop. And you're comparison to the classic "Kill your own grandfather" chestnut doesn't parallel.

I could show you this pretty easy on a diagram, but it's a little more complicated in type. But let me give it a shot.

The grandfather thing is a "non-working" paradox. The timestream short circuits. [No cheating, now. No "Well, it turns out the man I always thought of as my grandfather wasn't really my biological grandfather" and no "He had sex with my grandmother just before I killed him." None of that.] I go back in time to kill my grandfather. He dies. My father's never born. I'm never born, therefore I don't exist to go back in time to kill my grandfather. Since I don't exist, my grandfather never dies. So my father is born, and, subsequently, so am I, allowing me to go back in time to kill my grandfather. And so on, and so on, and so on... It iterates without fusing. Again, short circuit.

Compare another chestnut that I made up a few years ago. I am a historian. My specialty is Abraham Lincoln. I travel back in time and meet him just before he's scheduled to give the Gettysburgh Address. To my horror, I discover that he's got writer's block. The most famous speech a president ever gave, and Abe can't think of what to write. I panic. And "write" the speech for him. Of course I didn't compose it. I simply write down the Gettysburgh Address from memory. Abe loves it. Gives the speech. Reporters transcribe it. Historians put it in history books. I study it and go back in time. Time flows unbroken. It is a "working" paradox. A paradox that doesn't short circuit the time stream. Now it raises a HUGE question? Who composed the Address? Not Abe, he got it from me. Not me, I got if from a history book. Not the historians or the reporters, they got it from Abe. The answer is it was born with the timestream, created by God or the Big Bang or whatever. It is mysterious. But it works.

The best example of a working paradox story I've ever read is Robert Heinlein's "All You Zombies". It's a brilliant, subversive little piece of work.

The Archmage (and/or the M.I.A.) loop has much more in common with the Gettysburgh chestnut than the Grandfather chestnut. It is a working paradox. Simpler even than Gettysburgh. You are the Archmage. Once upon a time, you were a kid. Then you grew up to be a man, and you wind up falling into a chasm. You're rescued by a "STRANGER" who looks something like you, but not quite. The "Stranger" mentors you and gives you power and actually changes you so that you look more like the stranger than like your old self. Then the "stranger" sends you back in time to that point where you rescue your old self. Now to that old immature version of you, you seem like "the stranger". You mentor the old you, you give him power. Then you send him back to effect the rescue. It's a loop, because you don't go back again. You continue forward until Goliath does you in. There's a beginning and an end and a loop in the middle. It IS a paradox. But it's a working paradox. There's no short circuit. Time flows. THERE IS A BIG QUESTION! Where did the Archmage get the idea to save himself. Well, he knows to do it because his old self was a "witness" to the rescue. His old self was the rescuee. But where did the IDEA come from? Again, a quirk of the timestream.

Many people have asked me why I made this the time travel rule in Gargoyles. It's a very conservative approach. You can't change history. Period. Sure we may not know the whole story. But what happened, happened. We can't change it. That's the rule as I established it in "Vows," and as we stuck with throughout the series. Why? Time travel is all theoretical. I could have chosen any rule I wanted. I could have chosen no rules. Why did I chose this rigid approach? Basically, cuz I thought it was MORE fun. I hate feeling cheated at the end of stories. Time travel stories are easily subject to this abuse. So many great Star Trek episodes full of time travel, wind up wimping out in the end. Cheating. Using non-working paradoxes or breaking any semblence of rules they've already established. I always felt ripped off. I didn't want that for Gargoyles. Also it presents our characters with a greater challenge. Griff vanished in WWII. Goliath goes back in time to change it. AND HE CAN'T!!!!!! So he has to find another way to solve the problem. It also explains why our guys just don't go back and fix things so that the Wyvern Massacre never happened. Once you open a a can of worms, you're stuck with a lot of worms (or worse, you pretend they aren't there). That seemed lousy to me, so I made it clear that once an event is absolutely known, you can't dodge it. Only work within it's frame. It's all a matter of opinion, but that seemed like MORE fun to me.

And now...DAH DAH DAH. Predestination vs. Free will. This is an ancient argument. God is omniscient. He knows what Eve is going to do. So she had no free will, right? Well, most theologians would say she does. Eve is created with free will by God. She doesn't have to take that apple. Cain doesn't have to kill Abel. Sure, God knows that Eve is gonna take it, that Cain is going to kill, but he doesn't impose that knowledge or his authority on either Eve or Cain. (He's God. He can make those subtle distinctions in his creations.) The fact that Mom tells you not to eat the cookies and nevertheless knows you're going to, doesn't mean that you have no free will. You could surprise Mom and skip 'em. Now you can't surprise God. He's God. So he knows ahead of time what you're going to do. But it's still your choice. Nothing touched your free will.

Now, I'll admit, that at times in Gargoyles, that distinction seems less clear. I'm the main (though not the only) god of the Gargoyles Universe. (At least I used to be.) But, obviously, I'm not GOD, and I don't have his subtle powers of creation. But I tried. I suppose it's tough to figure how the Archmage could choose not to save himself. But I think the key is that he wouldn't want to choose anything other than what he did. So his free will isn't touched. Griff chooses to fight in the Battle of Britain. He chooses to risk his life. He doesn't know about Phoenix Gates or time travel. But he knows the risks of war. He doesn't make it home for forty years. Maybe that's a consequence he couldn't predict, but it's better than dieing. His free will isn't missing from the equation just because the time stream (or God or whatever you believe in) knows that he's not coming back even before he departs. In GONE WITH THE WIND, Rhett Butler doesn't join the Confederate Army until he knows the Confederacy is doomed. HE KNOWS. But that doesn't effect his free will. We all make decisions. Maybe someone out there knows the results. God. Or a psychic palm reader living in Petaluma. Or your Uncle Ralph, who did the exact same thing when he was your age. But the fact that someone else know, whether we know they know or not, does not effect our free will.

Anyway, that's my two cents. (GDW/1-26-98)

Hey, Gary (and everyone)... You asked me further questions about time. The answers all come down to Point of View. You didn't comment on the "religious" aspects of my comments, but frankly, they seem unavoidable.

PoV. To Goliath, in the 1990s, the past seems fixed. The present and future, not. To Goliath in 1940, the past and present seem fixed, and the future seems fixed for a few decades, and then past the mid-nineties, not. To Greg Weisman, in his capacity as god of the Gargoyle Universe, the past, present and future seem fixed.

But what does this mean? It means we are bound by what we know and nothing more. What does "fixed" mean? Goliath realizes that Griff can't return to his clan in the forties, because he didn't return in the forties. But that doesn't mean Goliath cannot affect their mutual futures, by bopping Griff forward to the nineties.

Greg Weisman knows that something big happens in the year 2158. But he doesn't yet know all the results of that. For that matter, Greg has a lot of knowledge about what happened in 984. But what exactly happened between 984 and 994? I've got a basic idea, but there's room for movement. There are facts I can't dodge, therefore facts that my characters can't dodge. But that doesn't remove their free will.

Pre-destination does not NEGATE free will, unless the character abdicates free will in the mistaken belief that he or she has none. And even then, the "act" of abdication is a choice, an act of free will.

One other note: the Gettysburgh Address in my previous example could be called a "time circle". Unbroken. No beginning or end. The Archmage is not a circle, but a loop in a straight line. Think of a roller coaster. It goes along straight for 100 yards. Then it begins a loop-de-loop. We travel up and backwards and around and then the track flattens out again at the eighty yard mark. For twenty yards the tracks run side by side, or put another way, since the track is unbroken, lengths of the ONE track run side by side. Then one length, "the younger length," heads back into the loop, while the other "mature" length continues forward on the straight flat track.

Hope this helps. (GDW/1-27-98)

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Greg Bishansky
Sunday, March 31, 2002 10:43:14 AM
IP: 216.179.1.5

Cyberclaw > Either theory could apply, as the only examples of time travel we ever saw in the orginal canon "Gargoyles" television series were those of time travel into the past, which was unalterable. Someone always mentions "Future Tense," of course... forgetting that it was not a time travel story, it was a mind game played by Puck. Mind you, I'm not saying that either theory is CORRECT. I'm just saying that either theory can be supported by evidence available, and neither theory can be disproved by anything in the established canon of the TV series. This does not factor in Greg Weisman's after-the-fact musings in "Ask Greg" nor what has been done in TGS.

As for the issue of knowing the evntual outcome spoiling the experience, how about a little poll. How many people here went to see "Lord of the Rings" at the theater even though you already read the book? How many saw it more than once? How many have ever seen any movie more than once? How many have ever watched a rerun on tv? How many people have ever read the same book more than once? How many have ever listend to the same CD more than once? How many have ever taken a trip to a place you've already been before? And how many have ever felt in doing any of those things that knowing where the road eventually led spoiled the journey?

I've personally never experienced this problem. Just in examples from my own life... I've re-read "The Wizard of Oz" so many times I've lost count. I've seen "The Princess Bride" and "The Shawshank Redemption" at least a dozen times apiece, beginning to end, without being bored, and I still will stop and watch again the next time. I've owned music tapes that have been played so many times since I first bought them that I've had to start replacing them with CDs. And I watch "Gargoyles" on Toon Disney despite having seen every episode before. So obviously there is something about good storytelling (whether it be written, visual, or musical) that provides enjoyment in and of itself, even when one already knows what's going to happen next.

Just my opinion.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, March 31, 2002 09:16:31 AM
IP: 66.72.192.127

OK, replies…

Patrick Toman><More theories of time and time travel...> Great, but which of your theories applies to the Gargoyles Universe?

DPH><In fact the whole series Timedancer has lots of endings we know about> I happen to feel that the whole Timedancer concept is flawed. We know nothing serious can happen to Brooklyn because we’ve seen in Gargoyles that he eventually makes it back to the present unscathed. Yes, it’ll be interesting to see what he gets up to, and there can be tension with people he meets along the way, but no tension can be gained from having Brooklyn in dangerous situations, since we will always know he’s going to come through okay.

Todd Jensen><And I don't think that our foreknowledge of how it will turn out is taking away the characters' free will. Say that you go to see a production of "Romeo and Juliet". You know that it winds up with Romeo and Juliet committing suicide.>Not if you’ve never seen it before, but that’s beside the point.

<But the fact that you know that isn't what causes it to happen and doesn't "deprive them of their free will">But the worlds of Shakespeare are different from Gargoyles. It is not established that the future is immutable. Therefore there is the impression that things could have turned out differently, had characters made different choices. That adds to the tragedy and means that the characters in the story had free will.

<In the same way, because we get to "peek ahead" a couple of centuries into the future and see how things will turn out then, that doesn't mean that the people in the Gargoyles Universe have no free will. At least, that's my take on it.> If the future cannot be changed, I feel it does take away from the free will of those in the present. It means that no matter what they do, what choices they make, the future we’ve seen WILL come to pass. Therefore their choices are less important, because the future is already set and no matter what any of them do, it’s going to happen they way we’ve seen it.

Which brings us to the core of this whole discussion: in the Gargoyles Universe, can the future be changed, or is it already set? Greg Bishansky says its already been established that the future is immutable. But can anyone tell me in what episode this happened?

Cyberklaw
London, UK
Sunday, March 31, 2002 06:56:00 AM
IP: 64.12.102.53

There is no evidence that the timeline is mutable in the Highlander universe, so I figure it is probably static. There is no evidence one can change the timeline (ie killing one's younger self). It couldn't happen.
Wolfram Bane
Sunday, March 31, 2002 04:59:26 AM
IP: 142.154.116.76

That is a good question. I think that it would have to do with the laws of timetravel in that particular dimension. As timetravel per se never occurred in the Highlander Universe (save that attrocious Highlander 2 Renegade version) I don't know how one would answer that.
Wolfram Bane
Sunday, March 31, 2002 04:53:27 AM
IP: 142.154.116.76

Todd> <<No, he's unarmed. Why? (As in, what's the significance of the chain-saw and sawn-off shotgun?)>> If you want to get all technical about it, Ash *is* unarmed too, or at least he's unhanded. :)

DPH> <<My favorite time travel question involves the series Highlander: If an immortal (over 500 years old) traveled back in time and was killed by past self early on, how powerfull would that immortal be after he/she killed himself/herself?>> I once saw a Highlander/Brisco County crossover fic that did that with John Bly as the time traveling immie who gets beheaded by his younger self. If I recall correctly, the same fic also used Immortality to explain why Pete Hutter wouldn't stay dead and Brisco got to play with a chainsaw.

Gside> <<a nameless horror flavor. Cthulu Bran: start your morning with a gibber. >> "Special Ch" with a free beanie-ghast in every box!

Okay, back to lurkdom again...
Z
Sunday, March 31, 2002 04:48:57 AM
IP: 128.125.223.74

Gunjack> <<soundtrack to the anime Noir>>: No, but I could get ten episodes in about 30 minutes off direct connect.
<<And to conclude, I hate you all>>: You're really Joe England of Zebra Girl fame?
<<The term "geographically-challenged, if used by an american, would be an obvious sign of culteral arrogance>>: And I'm saying let everyone else be arrogant too. Heck, the most statistically arrogant country wouldn't be the US anyway, but China.

Warpmind> <>: I can handle a good barbecue just as well as the next guy.
<<As for the Evil Dead movies and Oscars - I thought they bagged Special Effects awards, is all>>: Or best gaffer or the like, but all signs point to no.
<<And I take back NO comment about the cheddar on the pizza>>: Have you ever even tried cheddar and salami?
<<What'cha gonna do about it, anyway?>>: Not much. Be disappointed in you, maybe.
<<You're an engineer; physical excercise isn't exactly the most common trait among engineers>>: But I could devise a device that could well be named "Mr. Hurt."

Spacebabie> <<pics of Ms Destine in a bikini are welcome>>: So you like those then, do you?
<<They have some very tasty variations of Raison Bran>>: I'm not sure it would work on him, unelss they came up with a nameless horror flavor. Cthulu Bran: start your morning with a gibber.
<<Does he prefer his Lawyers BBQed or fried?>>: Depends on the barbecue sauce.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, March 31, 2002 01:21:35 AM
IP: 198.151.130.133

Todd. What about something like stopping the Holocaust from happening?
Wingedbeast - [wingedbeast@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:57:34 PM
IP: 207.179.193.119

number 14

yes, I'm still alive....sad to say, but its true

Lexy & Kaioto> congrads on the upcoming wedding. hope you everything works out with the in-laws. Lexy, email me if you get the chance....

Ja matte... *fades into thin air*
Gavin - [gabinu@furinkanhigh.com]
Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:02:51 PM
IP: 161.45.210.171

Of course, if we want to make this time travel discussion *really* interesting, we could add onto it the question that I raised some weeks ago at Station 8 over whether changing the past (if it was possible) would be the right thing to do. I argued there that even if it could be done, it shouldn't be done, not only because of all the danger of temporal paradoxes, but also because it would be a refusal to abide by the consequences of one's own past actions - almost like "I didn't really mean that move; let me take it back."
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:30:21 PM
IP: 168.191.109.168

Lain? Can you see what I'm seding at all? o.O ...I think messenger might be glitching...
V
Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:13:11 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

1, 2, 2, 4, 6, 2, 9... I can see I need to keep practicing my counting. Damn that new math. ;)

More theories of time and time travel...

If time is a static pathway along which all events exist simultaneosly, where past, present, and future are but matters of perspective, then: 1) No time traveller who journeys into the past can ever alter anything. 2) Any traveler who journeys into the future will see the future course of events with 100% accuracy.

If, however, time is a dynamic force that carries us with it, constantly creating itself as it moves ahead, then : 1) The time traveler who goes into the past interacts only with the shadows of what once was. He or she cannot change anything, as the the past exists only as an afterimage in the wake of the present. 2) The time traveler who goes into the future interacts only with the best extrapolation of what may be given the current state of the present. The future does not exist until it becomes the present.

"Before I draw nearer to that stone to which you point, answer me one question. Are these the shadows of the things that WILL be, or are they shadows of the things that MAY be, only?" - Ebeneezer Scrooge, "A Chistmas Carol" (Charles Dickens)
Patrick Toman
Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:10:24 PM
IP: 66.72.192.127

I can't believe it. I finally made the #1 spot on the top 10 with 6 seconds to spare!!

I'm guessing I have had somewhere between 4 and 6 hours of sleep when I made this post so expect lots of spelling errors. It's all because I miscalculated the nutrional value of something I ate. I'm still eating my hot pie and I thought I thought eating it would be ok for breakfast, apparantly it wasn't.

cyberklaw - You can still have dramatic tension even if history is immutable and you know somethings that happen in the future. In fact the whole series Timedancer has lots of endings we know about: we know Brooklyn meets up with his mate (and we know her name). We know they have kids and eventually pick up a gargoyle dog. Even if Timedancer didn't visit the future, we still know a lot about what has to happen, but you didn't complain about those points.

Stupid DBZ question: if those universes were Goku didn't surive to fight Cell, what ever happenned to Majin Buu?

Warpmind - <To your question, yes, it is probably possible to make a car run without fossil fuels like you described. However, odds are that the driver and the car's surroundings will begin to glow.> Solar-powered/Electric cars seem the best alternative, but where are you going to stop recharge your batteries? When a non fossil fuel powered car has to stop as often as a regular one does to refuel, I'll be interested in it.

Gunjack - <Because if time travel were invented, it WOULD have been (mis)used, and we would have people popping in all over the place. In a universe where time-travel exists, all points in time become interconnected.> That's why there would have to be Time Enforcers. The biggest job of Time Enforcers would be the preventing Time Travel technology from being invented until they can fully understand how to monitor people traveling through time.

Gside - <fixed in the same manner as the aformentioned coach> The Darn Lot Boys edited my post on Thursday. That should have been "couch" instead of "coach" 3 times.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, March 30, 2002 08:38:14 PM
IP: 204.94.193.55

Top Ten
Spacebabie
Saturday, March 30, 2002 07:54:21 PM
IP: 67.24.92.11

9th. :)
Anonymous
Saturday, March 30, 2002 07:37:35 PM
IP: 68.6.245.60

Eigth!
Fire Storm and Lady Mystic
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:59:22 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Second.

Regarding the whole "showing the future kills the suspense in the present" issue - I wonder if that's really so bothersome - as in, killing some of the suspense. Back in the ancient and medieval world, the big adventure stories that were told were ones where the audience already knew the outcome from the start, and how it will wind up is being made clear throughout.

For example, in Homer's "The Iliad", Homer tells us several times (mainly through the mouth of Zeus), just how the story will end: after Achilles withdraws from the fighting, the Trojans will get the upper hand over the Greeks until Patroclus comes to the rescue, then Hector will kill Patroclus, and then Achilles will return to the war and kill Hector. So that kills the suspense. And yet, judging from just how popular and highly acclaimed the "Iliad" was in the classical world, I doubt that its hearers or readers felt at all disturbed about this. It's possible that "inevitability" may be just as satisfying in a story as suspense.

And I don't think that our foreknowledge of how it will turn out is taking away the characters' free will. Say that you go to see a production of "Romeo and Juliet". You know that it winds up with Romeo and Juliet committing suicide. But the fact that you know that isn't what causes it to happen and doesn't "deprive them of their free will". In the same way, because we get to "peek ahead" a couple of centuries into the future and see how things will turn out then, that doesn't mean that the people in the Gargoyles Universe have no free will. At least, that's my take on it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:38:03 PM
IP: 168.191.109.57

Oh, well I guess it's really Sixth

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:36:22 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Fourth!

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:35:23 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

3rd...hoho!!
Tribun - [joachim_henkel@gmx.net]
Luebeck, SH, Germany
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:34:34 PM
IP: 62.214.34.137

Top ten!

---Emambu
Emambu - [erikmambu@hotmail.com]
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:33:45 PM
IP: 130.49.67.175

2 nd!

bye
Brooklyn
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:32:41 PM
IP: 4.41.243.40

FIRST!!!
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:09:40 PM
IP: 216.179.4.244

#1, top 10
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, March 30, 2002 06:09:33 PM
IP: 204.94.193.73