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Christine - Fab story with Godiva. I particularly like her reminences (sp?) of her time with Demona and Jericho *purrs*

Patrick - I didn't get any outage of the site the times you mentioned it, but it was down for me most of today (Saturday).

Impfac - Yes, MD and I had our Jezebel/Jezebella storylines going at pretty much the same time. When we realized we were doing a similar theme, we checked our outlines against each other. They are scary in their similarities, but also almost polar opposites in many ways. Chalk it down to great (or just plain wicked *^_~*) minds thinking alike. After I finish my latest Immortal Blood chapter (2/3rds done so far, and I'm heading into the home stretch) then I'll probably do another chapter or two of my Jezebel story, before going into "Payback" my Fox/Lexington story.

If you read both Madame Destine's stories and mine, you'll see our girls are really very different.

just a short post, as it's thundering and lightening here and weather is just hellacious. probably need to check for tornado warnings... sigh.

later
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, May 12, 2002 02:25:14 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

<Patrick Toman> Law and Order/Gargoyles crossover.......... YES! I've *got* to see that.
Wingedbeast
Sunday, May 12, 2002 02:03:06 AM
IP: 207.179.193.43

I hope everyone is having a nice weekend. The weather here is behaving so I'm not complaining. I actually went for a nice drive and a long walk today and I discovered something. You can't get lost if you don't know where you're going. Interesting isn't it?

Dictator test- I'm Tony Blair?! Oh what the hell, it says I can do whatever I want. Fine by me.
Drunk- A philosophical drunk hee
Criminal- Elizabeth Bathory
What God sounds like like- I think we would all hear what each one of us expected to hear. In my case, a deep, slightly English accented voice...don't know why just what I'd like to here.

Green Baron- I'm a little turned off at D&D for now. I few months ago I was staying in these open bay barracks and a bunch of officers would stay up all night playing it and leaving the lights on and well you know how it is. Officers you can't kill them and you can't kill them.

Christine- Ever listen to a cd in the car, eject it and have the same song playing on the radio? That's happened twice this week. You are now entering the Twilight Zone (que music).

Night everyone.
Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, May 12, 2002 01:40:11 AM
IP: 172.192.176.51

I’m going to say just one more topic about the mentally ill. The government has absolutely no right-zero-to control ANYONE’S reproduction. The ONLY exception is incest, and that is obviously an extremely rare.

It does seem if you can forcibly sterilize people, you can also forcibly abort children (at any point, too, since abortion is legal during all nine months of pregnancy in the US).

I wouldn’t invite the in my pants, and I expect it to stay out of yours, too.

DPH> <<<What would do you want to do a guy who fathered 5 children (by different women) who end up becoming dependant on government aid?>>>

Easy. I wouldn’t give him aid in the first place. But he’s free to do whatever he wants. Cut his balls off? Um, this isn’t China, is it?

Patrick> Garg-fans is down? I have not had any troubles with it... (continues reading latest Madame D. Story).

Hey, TWO Jezebels, from MC and MD, so suspiciously alike? *arches eyebrows*

Real life stuff> Well, I got to visit the Buick. *shakes head.* Poor girl. I messed her up pretty good, and drove another massive dent in the hood, in the process destroying a part no sane person could ever conceivably damage (read: expensive, dealer only, rare). Damn her.

Oh well. One week and I’ll be home, finish this goddamn repair off and getting her ready for the Gathering. I finally sent out my check today.

I also got to rent the movie Christine, finally, and picked up the book. I almost cried when she was smashed to pieces... I was obsessed with that movie when I was a kid-even painted the thing on my wall :) It’s got far more meaning to me now, though, of course. I can’t remember when my parents read me the book...

I’ve been planning to go down to Texas after the Gathering to see my beloved in my beloved. But my brother-who bought and deeply loved my Buick-happened to catch a nasty little case of the AIDS from some guy down in Texas (which is the only reason I now have the car).

So my mother isn’t really to hot about this whole going to visit my boyfriend down in Texas deal. Memory lane, big time. Their offering me bribes to stay, now, mixed with loud thoughts of *gulps* junking the Buick. (I’d get her back, of course).

*shakes head, stroking hood lovingly*

See, Dominique... they ARE against us... they’re all against us....

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:31:40 AM
IP: 169.226.230.45

Visiting home for the weekend for a couple birthdays and momma's day. As a bonus, I found out my father got a couple new toys. The Last Waltz on DVD and the 4 disc recording.

Imzadi> <<Ewww!>>: It's not bad, as long as it is only from the neck up. It is, right?
<<because you're frantically masturbating with the other>>: Well, getting a house is good news.

More later, must go now.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:26:56 AM
IP: 68.38.244.145

gabe - check yer email immediately?

*resumes turning green from severe travel sickness*
Valentine
home
Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:11:10 AM
IP: 12.64.216.39

To clarify my position, if I am forced to pay for the treatment of the mentally challenged and it is extremely likely that said person would have children who are mentally challenged, then I am for preventing said person from having children. Note: I said there were TWO CONDITIONS for me being in favor of this. Otherwise, I am against it.

IMPFAC - <isn’t it just more cost efficient to kill them all outright?> No, that's murder. Preventing birth (not abortion) isn't murder. What would do you want to do a guy who fathered 5 children (by different women) who end up becoming dependant on government aid?

Imzadi - <Why do you assume that world war III would be nuclear?> Are you implying all the sides would sign a treaty not to use nuclear weapons on each other? Sure, everybody understands the concept of mutually assured destruction, but that only applies to sane people.

Patrick - <Well, then you probably won't want to see them used to fund a massive Federal Bureau of Vasectomies & Tubal Ligation, either.> Hmm. That could be a condition of receiving a certain amount of government help.

Key point: government shouldn't be in the business of providing welfare. It should be charities and organized religion doing that.

Jan - good link. < I guess government assistance with guiding/helping the mentally challenged raise their child is no worse than all of the people on welfare that continue birthing babies as fast as they possibly can. At least the mentally challenged are in true need of assistance and not just because they are too lazy to work.> see reply to IMPFAC. I believe in cracking down on the welfare moms who keep having children to get more money because of something called personal responsibility. Thanks for clarifying things and being a voice of reason. <Usually the person has to be severely retarded or is physically incapable of
carrying a child during the pregnancy.> Interesting. What percentage of mentally challenged people are that way because of genetics? <Second… does this make anyone else a bit nervous? This person was allowed on a military airplane, go into another country, live in a higher ranking officer’s quarters and the only way he was discovered was from his own greed of writing hot checks.> ::makes mental note to double-check life insurance policy before boarding a plane:: So what would happen if one of those hijackers had cosmetic surgery to disguise appearance?
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:40:22 PM
IP: 204.94.193.16

Patrick> At this time it is rarely a government decision on whether or not a mentally challenged individual can be given parental rights. It’s usually up to the parents of the individual that makes that decision – just as they showed in the Law and Order episode. What they didn’t show, however, is that it takes much more than just a parent to say no and the individual has an abortion. Before a parent can have their child sterilized or in the case of one who is already pregnant an abortion, they must have a letter from a doctor stating why the mentally challenged individual should not have children. Then, an order from the judge is required before any procedure is taken. Usually the person has to be severely retarded or is physically incapable of carrying a child during the pregnancy.
A lot of mentally retarded people also have a multitude of physical problems. For instance, the Downs Syndrome person on the show in real life would have a few physical problems to overcome in order to safely carry the child to full term. Heart problems are almost constant with DS people. She was also a high functioning DS. The severely retarded DS or others do not have the comprehension of what it’s like to have a real child and what is needed to care for one. They can be taught the basics of how to change a diaper, how to prepare a bottle and feed the child, but they probably cannot tell when the baby is ill, running a high fever, in distress, etc. They just don’t have the reasoning and comprehension skills that are required for the safe raising of a child.
As far as I know and have been experienced with – it is an individual case on each mentally challenged person who’s family or guardians wish to have them sterilized or a baby aborted.

DPH> I guess government assistance with guiding/helping the mentally challenged raise their child is no worse than all of the people on welfare that continue birthing babies as fast as they possibly can. At least the mentally challenged are in true need of assistance and not just because they are too lazy to work.

Josh> AR = Anal Retentive ;)

From the “I can’t believe this really happened” files….

We had an inmate named Jason C. He bonded out and left the area… sheriff received a call from Germany on Friday…. Apparently Jason counterfeited documents that said he was a Captain in the Army and was a member of Collin Powell’s staff. He was allowed to board a military plane and fly to Germany. While he was there, he stayed in a Lt.’s apartment. He then wrote a check for $5,000 for some jewelry and a check for a sports car. Both checks bounced like a rubber ball and now Germany is kicking him out of their country. (he returned the merchandise and car)
First off, wouldn’t the fact that this guy is only 20 years old and impersonating a CAPTAIN be your first clue?? How many Captains do you know is 20 years old? Second… does this make anyone else a bit nervous? This person was allowed on a military airplane, go into another country, live in a higher ranking officer’s quarters and the only way he was discovered was from his own greed of writing hot checks.
I have met this young man and he’s not the brightest bulb in the chandelier nor does he present himself very well.
I have my doubts that the military will let this incident out and public. Scary, though.
Fire Storm> congrats!! Details wanted about the house!! =)

OK...I've seen it all now. Maybe we should erect lemonade stands and form welcome parades as a rule of law? Terrorists can take this route into the US and enjoy margaritas as they travel! Maybe we can even force the local schoolkids to carry the illegal immigrants baggage? Clink on my name to find out what I’m furious about.
Jan
Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:54:36 PM
IP: 12.215.180.102

The gargoyles-fans server outages wouldn't be so annoying if 1) someone in charge over there would ever explain why they happen so frequently and 2) over half of the fandom wasn't dependent on that one server. Even the images from this comment room load off gargoyles-fans. And then there's the fic archive and the other comment boards. All I have to say is thank goodness for ezboards (winks at Mooncat) and fanfiction.net (even though the pop-ups and banner ads make me want to beat my monitor with a baseball bat).

Law and Order > Yes, I watched both of them last night. I try never to miss SVU... that and CSI are always on my "must watch" list when there's a new episode. I keep thinking what a great fanfic crossover "Law and Order" would make with "Gargoyles," too. Maybe one day my muse will feel like delving into a gritty police drama.

Re: "mentally challenged" people having kids > Being of a pro-choice believe, I'm totally against giving the government the power to force anyone to have an abortion just as I'm against giving them the power to force anyone to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. And I think it would be equally dangerous to legislate that certain groups are allowed to have children and others are not. Having a physical or mental disabilty does not automatically imply you will be incompetent as a parent no more than not having one implies competency. There are plenty of "normal" people, after all, who have no clue what they are doing. So are we to create goverment "snip squad" and send agents roaming the country sterilizing them, too? And if so, whose tax dollars will pay for it? "I don't want my tax dollars used to take care of someone else's disabled kid." Well, then you probably won't want to see them used to fund a massive Federal Bureau of Vasectomies & Tubal Ligation, either.

Just my two cents on that. :)
Patrick Toman
Saturday, May 11, 2002 07:57:16 AM
IP: 66.72.199.239

Last night I went the Apple Campus Beer Bash. It was a lot of fun. I think I found my calling at Apple, which isn't in product design. I met some guys from the reliability testing group. They are soooo cool. And they have the best job in the world: they destroy computers for a living! They have shake tables, ovens, accelerators, and all kinds of fun stuff. I so want to work for them next summer. Well, I got some business cards and I'll keep in touch with people over the year.

Then again, if this GE thing pays off...my career path is pretty much set.

The whole WWDC thing is over, and I had a great time. Definitely a better use of a week than going to class. Got loads of free stuff and good contacts for the future.

Saw spiderman tonight on the way back up from WWDC. When I got back, the application for the apartment was waiting. Way too much stuff to be asked for. W-2 form, four recent pay stubs, transcript, job offer letter, tax return form, one bank account and two credit accounts, blah blah blah. Geez, all I want to do is move in!

Rev Attila: Good article! Great for a laugh!

Warpmind: <<like few have baldly strided>>: Except maybe Picard. <>: Most humans, you mean. <<Dumps about a half-pound of slightly damp hair in Gside's lap.* Fine; YOU dispose of it>>: Ewww! <<Why are you so concerned about me breeding?>>: I'm concerned about breeding in general. <<they *will* bring about the Antichrist>>: And worse, he'll have a bad name. <<We'll just see what she answers, eh?>>: Somehow, I don't think she'll breed with you.

Christine: <<sent me a catalog>>: Oh, that's rich. What a bunch of punks.

Jan: <>: At this rate, they won't be spent in office. <<Right now I’m only able to grow mud>>: Hey that's hard word. You have to get just the right proportions of water and dirt. <<take all of the fun out of it>>: That's my job. <<Did you take a course in AR 101 while you were at the conference?>>: Huh? <>:Did you forget that its a show about a high school?

Impfac: <<We’re having a terrible time getting terrorists extradited because they’re afraid we’ll put them to death>>: Maybe we should pretend that we won't (as if there's anything else to do with them). <<It’s time we stood up to Europe and forced cooperation.>>: That could get ugly. <>: That's because you go to a hippy school. I feel your pain. <<he doesn’t believe we should be fighting terrorism at all.>>: Well then he's a schmuck because I don't want to be blown up. <<All I want out of life is a private single room>>: You have low standards. <<the church-probably the single largest charity in the world, that selflessly does so much good for so many hundreds of millions of desperate people-gets horrendously smeared>>: I'm sorry, but I expect a group to hold its members to high standards if they go around claiming to be morally right all the time. <<the media simply labels it a homophobic, anti-female institution and perpetuates hatred against it for merely refusing to violate it’s own doctrines. *shakes head sadly* But when do they talk about the incredible amount of charity the church does, in America and abroad?>>: Just because the media favors one over the other doesn't mean that it isn't there, or that it isn't a problem. <<who defines “mentally challenged?”>>: Me. <<whose next that isn’t allowed to breed?>>: Democrats. <<Gays?>>: They have enough trouble. Assuming they can get the required help, I see no problem. <<Defining ‘undesirables’ to be eliminated from the gene pool>>: It's not eliminating them from the gene pool. If that were the goal then we'd just kill them outright, along with their parents and relatives. <<isn’t it just more cost efficient to kill them all outright?>>: No. Lawsuits are bad.

Gunjack: <<Subsisting your will to the prince of darkness tends to cut down on the stress of tough decision-making. There's the little downside of broiling in the hellfires of the eternal pit... But hey, whatcha do?>>: Um, not do that? <<modding of the code is never going to happen>>: Programming on Windows is hell compared to the mac. <<CoughCoughSJJanAndJoshCough>>: The difference is that we're not a sick threesome ;-) <<If "my side" is going to stand for collective punishment, nuclear holocaust, and "cutting the throats of women and children">>: I think you are exaggerating slightly.

Kaioto: Good rant.

Fire Storm: <>: ...because you're frantically masturbating with the other. <<WE GOT A HOUSE>>: Congrats!

Spacebabie: <<Well I’m not a god or a pervert>>: Too bad.

Sevarius Jr: <<Into the flood again>>: Welcome back. <<a very cold and unfair world where guys like Lane punch out before their time and never truly realize their potential>>: Oh yeah, very cold and unfair. That guy slept did a lot of drugs. He deserved what he got. <<yet wastes of skin like Fred Durst or Kid Rock or Moby are still alive and breathing>>: Well, they got to where they are by being brilliant. They know what people want and they shove it down their throats. Not that I don't wish they were dead. <>: Ah, you too are affected by the hippy math.

Wilek: <<Click my name if you want to raise a thoroughly traumatized child>>: Don't worry, I could do it without clicking your name.

DPH: <<Should the mentally challenged be allowed to have babies who will be mentally challenged?>>: That's a tough issue. <<there's going to be some liberal who will want to take my tax money to create a bureaurtic institution to help them>>: And the name of that liberal is...IMPFAC! <>: It should send an alarm through capitol hill that we've found ways to outsmart them. <<Why?>>: I think we can figure out why. We're not as dumb as we look. <<Who would surive World War 3?>>: Why do you assume that world war III would be nuclear?

Gside: <<Another raping today. DSP this time. @!#$ sinusiodal steady state. At least OS shouldn't be bad>>: Best of luck. At least you're almost through. <<Is that like swordchucks?>>: Only far more deadly. <<That's twelve, thank you>>: One for each...? <<Oh, but you do. I know you do>>: It's logic like this that lets you get raped on your finals. <<You should always be prepared. I hear they're attracted to cons>>: Next time I shall prepare by wearing a blindfold and using a cane to "see". <<For me, a habit and a place to say stupid things>>: For me, a habit. <<You sure about the second one?>>: I know I'm not. <<Could just be college>>: No christian school will change a right winger into a left winger.

Friends don't let friends use Windows.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, May 11, 2002 05:05:32 AM
IP: 64.173.21.117

DPH> <<<Should the mentally challenged be allowed to have babies who will be mentally challenged>>>

What??? That’s horrible.

First of all, who defines “mentally challenged?” Do you have to take an IQ test to have babies? Second, what if they’re already pregnant? Third, whose next that isn’t allowed to breed? Blacks? Gays? Defining ‘undesirables’ to be eliminated from the gene pool isn’t something I’m comfortable with, ever, no matter what. There is no such thing as selective rights. If we strip on group of their freedom, all our liberties are in peril.

Fourth, and finally, isn’t it just more cost efficient to kill them all outright?-since that seems to be your only consideration.

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Saturday, May 11, 2002 03:28:17 AM
IP: 169.226.230.45

Another raping today. DSP this time. @!#$ sinusiodal steady state. At least OS shouldn't be bad.

Imzadi> <>: Depends on the people involved.
<<They have counseling centers for that>>: I hear it's called humanities, but I'm not wimping out for that.
<<For that I've invented: the hammerang>>: Is that like swordchucks?
<<Not anytime soon, I hope>>: Evil laugh.
<>: No, I don't think it would.
<<You now have fantasies of raping women with your four penises?>>: That's twelve, thank you.
<>: Oh, but you do. I know you do.
<<There were no catgirls, or if there were they were ugly>>: You should always be prepared. I hear they're attracted to cons.
<<Such details do not concern me>>: Good.
<<Dude, I don't want to know about your fat sacks>>: I don't know sounds like they could be tasty. But what would be on it? Maybe something like a Fad Koko, or perhaps a Fat !@#$%.

Warpmind> <<Fine; YOU dispose of it>>: Alright. I hear wig makers pay some good money.

Gunjack> <>: Oh, it's of vital importance.
<<Dude! How do you GET these cool toys!?>>: Hyperbole.
<<And morbid poetry. Don't forget the morbid poetry>>: Morbid poets maybe, but poetry isn't a person.
<<Am I the ONLY person who doesn't see this as an intrensicly good thing?>>: Of the male gender, pretty much.

Taleweaver> <<what is everyone's feel about this comment room?>>: For me, a habit and a place to say stupid things.

Fire Storm> Congratulations on the house. Best of luck holding on to your stuff until you can get it there.

Spacebabie> <<what about XENAmorphs?>>: It won't exactly be a war with those.
<<Well I?m not a god or a pervert>>: You sure about the second one?

SJ> <<change in you and your personality since hooking up with The Canadian>>: Could just be college.

Yggdrasil> Good luck in getting published.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, May 11, 2002 01:47:31 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

**DPH wonders about volunteering to help to start World War 4**

Here's a brilliant idea: why not do a prequel for Star Wars Episode 1, explaining how Anakin Skywalker was genetically engineered to be strong in the force? *Quickly ducks out of sight* Just kidding.

Tonight's episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit raises a question to me. Should the mentally challenged be allowed to have babies who will be mentally challenged?

On one hand, it sounds cruel to deprive anyone of the right to have children. But on the other hand, if we as society have to pay extra money for their care, I have fewer problems with sterilization. If I didn't have to pay for it, I wouldn't care. But there's going to be some liberal who will want to take my tax money to create a bureaurtic institution to help them. Ultimately, I would rather the government get out of the business of providing welfare and let the churches and charities take care of it.

Green Baron - Have you ever read Matthew Lesko's books on hwo to get money out of government? I have always thought that his books should be the starting point of where to cut government spending. BTW, I wish you could have caught Politically Incorrect last night. Rev Jesse Jackson was on talking about the need for religious faith.

Fire Storm & Lady Mystic - congrats and condolences.

Gunjack - <Well then, I'm going to SWITCH SIDES.> I know it may be a while before you reply to this, but you didn't switch sides because you were never on that side. When governor was lt governor, he spoke at the National Leadership Forum at Harding University [side note: I bought a tape of what he said]. One of the points he mentioned was that people need to take time to think things thoroughly before taking a stand. That statement came from someone asking him a question about the US not needing a miltary [yes, it predates 9-11-2001 by quite a few years].

Spiderman - I thought having a web shooter made things . . . more interesting for Spiderman. For example all the times when he was in mid-air and realized he was out of webbing.

Jan - <*shudders* Too gross.> Of course, everyone should know I am getting my just deserts when the cats run away while trying to remove ticks. Why? Good luck getting me to stand still while removing a splinter.

Imzadi - <Thanks, I needed that image.> *tries to figure out if that was sacrasm* Here's one worse: When the cat is in lap, I don't want the cat smelling certain parts of my body. It tried once, but I put a stop to it right away.

Patrick - <What is it they say.... twice is a coincidence... three times is a conspiracy?> I hope you say Law & Order: Criminal Intent tonight.

I see no harm in volunteering to help start World War 4. Why? Who would surive World War 3?
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, May 11, 2002 12:12:37 AM
IP: 204.94.193.56

Kaioto: Agree wholeheartedly with you on your opinion of the Kennedys. They've been in the spotlight for far too long, and Ted should'a been in prison for Chappaquiddick, not representing his state ... and, by his public presence, the whole friggin' *country* ... in such a manner as he has.

Slayers petition: I signed it, not just for Crispin Freeman's sake but for Lisa Ortiz as well.

Patrick: I do believe you're attempting to quote the Dr. No theorem: "Once is bad luck, twice is coincidence, the third time is an enemy action."

Ravyn: **hugs n kisses** Hey girl. :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, May 11, 2002 12:00:13 AM
IP: 216.234.96.160

Click my name if you want to raise a thoroughly traumatized child. ;)
Wilek
Friday, May 10, 2002 11:52:34 PM
IP: 216.65.106.130

**Dances into the CR grinning maniacally**

Greetings;

They all said I was mad. "There's no way to correctly perform an adenosine kinase assay within one day properly." Well I proved them wrong... It only takes 21hr. At least I get another paper out of the deal, once I can prove that the new protocol works as well as the old!

Well anyways I'm exhausted, deliriously happy and perhaps a little unhinged. So where am I... rambling in the CR!

Oh man I need sleep. Real post to come soon.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Friday, May 10, 2002 11:42:51 PM
IP: 24.43.225.56

Last Friday night, the Gargoyles Fans site went down just before 10 PM and didn't come back up until Sunday. It's Friday again just before 10 PM, and the site's down again. I wonder if this is going to become a regular occurance.

What is it they say.... twice is a coincidence... three times is a conspiracy?
Patrick Toman
Friday, May 10, 2002 09:53:37 PM
IP: 66.72.199.239

Yeaa! I put off signing up for housing even though sign up was closed on April 24th (and everything filled) in the hope of getting a medical single. All I want out of life is a private single room.

And voula! I went today and got my prized single!!!! God bless my raging insomnia! I should be on campus WITH my Buick (the name of which has yet to be revealed ;-) and a private single room. Can life get any better? Thinkest me not.

I’m still waiting to get Christine, the movie or the book. I wanna hear that sexy engine purr over my nice big speakers. A little late for a B-day showing, perhaps, but I’m still determined to see it again.

FS><<<The Tempo is dying>>> My deepest consolation. I wish there were words I could offer you in this heart breaking time, but what can one say to lessen the anguish of losing something so dear? God speed to you and the Tempo.

Just change give her some synthetic oil-to remind her in the last days that she’s loved-and some gentle words of support.

Kaioto> I agree with you whole heartedly. People don’t seem to understand the church’s views on pedophilia and homosexuality, and why they would react as they did. They don’t understand it, because the incredibly wealthy and liberal media could never comprehend it, and thus is unable to report it accurately.

Logic gets lost in a the witch hunt and hype, and the church-probably the single largest charity in the world, that selflessly does so much good for so many hundreds of millions of desperate people-gets horrendously smeared.

It’s the same with homosexuals, birth control and ‘women’s rights.’ The church gives of itself endlessly and does so much good, yet the media simply labels it a homophobic, anti-female institution and perpetuates hatred against it for merely refusing to violate it’s own doctrines. *shakes head sadly* But when do they talk about the incredible amount of charity the church does, in America and abroad?

The bias makes me sick.

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Friday, May 10, 2002 09:48:05 PM
IP: 169.226.230.45

Into the flood again.

A much belated R.I.P. to Lane Staley, lead singer to the group "Alice in Chains". They were one of my favorite bands of all time, and their music has brought me a great deal of enjoyment over the years. They've been apart for many years, of course, because of Lane's drug abuse, which ultimately took his life. Chalk another victim up to speedballing, and another casualty of rock n' roll. I won't make the Kurt Cobain comparisons that everyone else has been making, but Lane did have his personal demons. It's too bad that he couldn't overcome them.

It's a very cold and unfair world where guys like Lane punch out before their time and never truly realize their potential, and yet wastes of skin like Fred Durst or Kid Rock or Moby are still alive and breathing.

***Buffy Spoilers***

Yeah, Tara died, like I said.

Didn't someone say something like it would be Willow? Course not, Willow's the bad girl now. And I can dig that.

Oh, and Spike rules the world. He's quite probably the best character ever on that show. You may think he was pussy-whipped this season & last, I see it as his progression into the most truly tragic character that the show has ever had. Hell, Angel could only wish he was this angst-driven & tragic.
***END SPOILERS***

Spacebabie: <<They said S--t! on network television! >> Big deal. They said it something like 200 times on South Park. And on the series "The Shield" on fx, they say it several times every week. When they start saying "F!CK" on the air, then I'll be impressed.

Admissions of Guilt: <<Listen up, cause I'm only gonna go through this once. Yes, my views on politics have changed.>> FINALLY, you admit to the obvious. <<But y'know what? Lain hasn't had nearly as much to do with it as SJ, Jannie, Greg B, and the rest of the "conservatives" in here. If "my side" is going to stand for collective punishment, nuclear holocaust, and "cutting the throats of women and children"... Well then, I'm going to SWITCH SIDES.>> Greg is conservative? I think you're full of shit, though. I'm not the one making you change your entire philosophy on, oh, EVERYTHING. I'm just some guy on the internet who likes to argue with people. If I really have THAT MUCH of an impact upon the life of one Gunjack Valentine, than I'd go into shock. Then I'd pat myself on the back. <<Y'all can believe whatever the heck ye want.>> I usually do. <<But when I express logical disagreement with what ya say, at least have the COMMON FUCKING DECENCY to respond to my arguements, rather than accusing me of being a freakin brainwashee.>> I probably wouldn't do it if there wasn't such an INCREDIBLY HUGE change in you and your personality since hooking up with The Canadian. Today's Gunjack is a much different Gunjack than the pre-Canuck days. I can put 1 and 1 together and come up with 3 here.

BTW, as an aside, guess who I scored on my dictator test? Stalin. I feely oddly flattered.

The Church Scandal, or How Father O'Flanagan's Boys Town Sure Doesn't Seem The Same Today: I'm rather torn by this. On the one hand, I've always enjoyed a good Priests-are-pedophiles joke...but now, since it's been revealed that priests really ARE pedophiles, the joke just becomes too.....I don't know, obvious. I don't like going for the easy jokes.

Seriously, though, I think my feelings on the whole sordid matter can be summed up best through the words of my hero, lil' Jimmy Norton, he of the (regrettably) non-tussleable hair: "The Pope recently came out and said that the Church has a problem with sex offenders. Boy, he doesn't miss a beat. 40,000 duck-walking little fellas, and he thinks the church might have a problem."

Crinkle, crinkle!

"Theres a trenchcoat and a tragedy in your future."
---Jim Norton
Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 10, 2002 08:55:49 PM
IP: 207.172.11.147

Presenting the continuation of my new fanfic mini-saga...

Angela meets the "twin sister" she never knew she had while Elisa finds herself forced to straddle a fine line between her duty as a police officer and her place in the clan.

"Home is a Dark Place, Part 2" - Now online in the Gargoyles Fans Fanfic Archive.
Madame Destine
Friday, May 10, 2002 08:37:34 PM
IP: 66.72.203.114

Spacebabie:

Ted Kennedy can keep his office because of the corrupt nature of politics. The Democrat establishment loves his name-recognition and seniority in the Senate. The DNC would cut off any Democrat that ever DREAMED about trying to knock their special friend of his high horse.

And the voters in Massachusetts are a rediculously super-majority Democrat. They'd probably vote for Satan in coat-tails if he managed to get a (D) next to his name on the ballots. It is really kind of pathetic.

The last serious candidate to run against Kennedy was Mitt Romney. Mitt was tent-pegged when the "unbiased" media of Massachusetts decided to sell him as a typical wealth white businessman. He dusted himself off and went on to run the Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Mitt has now displaced the acting governer Jane Swift as the only candidate running for the governor's office in the Republican Party. He has huge margins over all the other candidates, but even he isn't foolish enough to say a word about Ted Kennedy again.

U.S. Senators Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Massachusetts House Speaker Thomas Finneran represent the worst of what Massachusetts has to offer, and consequently are some of the most firmly entrenched, powerful political-figures in the entire country.

The state I live in is such a political and media cesspool it makes me ill.
Kaioto
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, May 10, 2002 03:51:41 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

I’m typing this with shaky fingers cause all I’ve eaten today are
2 pop tarts
6 marinated mushrooms
And a small handful of yogurt raisons and chocolate covered caramels

Last night I had another mini migraine. I spent most of the night lying in bed with ice wrapped up in a hand towel on my forehead. I did get to see ER though

ER SPOILERS__________________________________________________________
Okay that was sad. We were all expecting that here is what I didn’t expect,
They said S--t! on network television! The walls are coming down. Back to the show. Rachel did a few cute and sweet things. She placed her headphones on her dad so that he could hear a Reggae version of “Somewhere over the Rainbow” and later with the balloon.
Spoilers end_____________________________________________________________

Lain>>>congrats on the move.

Warpmind<<<There's just something about waging war with an army of xenomorphs... }>>>what about XENAmorphs? <<<Careful, you might not want me to think you're coming on to me.>>>why not you the most adorable blad guy that I know.

Gside<<<Elder gods and perverts.>>>Well I’m not a god or a pervert.

DPH<<<Stupid question: who is Mitsuake?>>>One of Miaka’s Celestial seven warriors in Fushigi Yugi. Hes a 22 year old Bisenien doctor who has a cat.He gave up healing people when he couldn’t save his girlfriend’s life until he met Miaka.

Josh>>>LOL THe Sim you looks totally different. It looks like Beavis. Oh congrats on getting Mariied to Sailormoon.<<<Damnit I missed it.>>>Awww<<<What did he do?>>>In a sarcastic tone he came on to her.<<<I'll consider it. >>>I bet you will<<<Programmer's conference. >>>Okay I was worried. Yo usually give us a heads up.

Christine<<<Turned on the television and Phantom Menace was on. She went to put in a tape, ejected the one that was in there, and it was Phantom Menace. >>>Did she want to tape the movie or did she just wanted to watch something else?

Jan<<<Did you catch Goober’s face while he was telling her that?>>>Yes<<<Goober fainting was the funniest of the whole show, though!>>>I know.<<>>Me too I hope the take a cue from Joss Whedon and finish the season with finding out who did it.

IMPFAC<<<All of Europe is being uncooperative in this war.>>>Tony Blair is making sure England is holding our hand…besides they owe us.. Other countries in Europe owe us as well. Germany, Owes us for getting rid of Hitler, Italy owes us for getting rid of Mussolini , France owes EVERYBODY, for their offensive body odor and attitude.<<<Janet “investigate what?” Reno>>>The scary thing is she is running for govenor. I know that a certain city isn’t voting for her. In fact when she tries to campaign there I’m pretty sure all she will get will be boos and crap thrown at her. Hey Funny smileys

Gunjack<<<Lain hasn't had nearly as much to do with it as SJ, Jannie, Greg B, and the rest of the "conservatives" in here.>>>I thought Greg was a liberal? Unless were having a postive effect on the boy…oh Greg the dark side beckons <<<accusing me of being a freakin brainwashee. >>>I think they are accusing you of being a Lain Whipee

Kaito<<>>Well this is the state that keeps reelecting Ted Kennedy(What doesn’t anyone ever run against him?) Sorry if you find this offensive. I was just trying to be funny.

Firestorm<<>>No comment<<<We spent the night before garbage night wearing rubber gloves >>>Again No Comment<<<LM's dad and g/f TOOK OUR GARGOYLES TAPES!!!!!!>>>Oy LM’s dad sounds like Lain’s Dad.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, May 10, 2002 03:18:10 PM
IP: 67.24.94.72

Hey all! House report/Rant:

Bad things:
I am typing this single handed because I am standing in my basement holding the keyboard in my left hand because I took my computer to the storage place already and all I have left is the servers.

THe Tempo is dying. LM's father got a new car (even though he said he would wait until we got one), so when we get a new car, we can't use his A-Plan discount.

LM's dad's girlfriend came over and 'cleaned'. We spent the night before garbage night wearing rubber gloves recovering all that she had thrown away (LM's artwork, small figurines, memorabilia, etc)

LM's dad and g/f TOOK OUR GARGOYLES TAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We fear that they will take EVERYTHING of ours and we will never see it again.

I had to pay for ANOTHER storage unit to prevent the above from happening

LM's father had the house on the market, and once it closes, we have 7 days to move out.

LAst bad news: We have to come up with $8K+ in the next 2 weeks because...

GOOD NEWS:
WE GOT A HOUSE!
(Given, it may be a month before we can move in, but...)

*WE* *HAVE* *A* *HOUSE!*
Fire Storm
Friday, May 10, 2002 02:56:41 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

Howdy all,

It's been a long time between postings. Mostly, I've spent the day lurking here. A question I want to ask is what is everyone's feel about this comment room?

Over the years, I've seen the CR serve many functions. lifeline, debate forum, screaming head too. I wonder what folks think of it now.

Also can get a shout out from any oldtimers who like me, lurk, but don't post too often.

Unfortunately, I got to go. Someone is setting bogus fire alarms. Got to go outside until they figure out what's going on.

Toodles
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
West Covina, CA, USA
Friday, May 10, 2002 11:49:49 AM
IP: 134.71.41.95

Rant Warning

This is more or less a stream of thought I've been trying to get down in text for a while now. Reading the newspaper and the comment room makes it almost impossible not to think about. I know I'm coming out from an alternative point of view here, but the sheer volume of disgust I feel is too heavy to just nod along with what I see on television.

I certainly feel compassion for the Church scandal victims and believe that repairations should be made to them for the abuse they suffered at the hands of such wretched men who dared to stand as agents of the Church. That much is a given, but I think another aspect of what is going on has been overlooked. I think facts have been drowned out in sensationalism and media frenzy. With that in mind, here are my additional thoughs:

I’ll say a few things about my perceptions of the Church scandal since I live in Boston, in the middle of it all. I’m trying to keep things in perspective and not let my common sense and rational thought fall out of my head every time the television puts on one of those little dramatic instramental lead-ins or some over-fed lawyer, politician, or reporter screams “Think of the children!”

For one thing, I’m impressed with the progress that has been made in the Church itself over the last two or three decades. The previous generation in the Church during the 60’s and 70’s discovered a grave problem. In this generation, complaints of child abuse by priests has dropped to nearly nil in the present day. This statistical evidence, along with most of the evidence presented in these cases, leads me to believe that the Church took an active role in stamping out child abuse and sexual deviancy among its clergy.

Did the Church make mistakes? Certainly. Were those mistakes costly? Definitely. Did the Church act out of malice? No, I don’t think it would be fair to say that. Did the Church act of of neligence? No, I don’t think I could bring myself to honestly take that stance based on the information provided. Beneath all the hype, there are a small collection of verified facts that everyone seems to want to ignore.

The fact is, during the 60’s through the early 80’s sexuality in general was not a topic for polite discussion. Homosexuals were labeled as “evil” or “perverted” by gay-bashers, and at least pigeon-holed as “disturbed” by the more well-meaning of the mainstream. Society in general behaved like a bunch of red-necks. Here in Boston, the end of Ad Hoc segregation by means of city bussing was met with riots. African-American children traveled to school each day under a barrage of glass bottles, rocks, and racial epithets. And from this society, we expect that any popular institution was going to display a modern understanding of human sexual issues and be able to properly deal with pedophiles and repressed homosexuals in their ranks? Abuse of the vulnerable (children, elderly, minorities, the mentally ill) was widespread in all institutions, religious and secular. This seems like a case where people have found it very convient to ignore the failings of the society in favor of finding a convient scape-goat.

Let me pose this question, does your state have a sex-offender registry? If so, when was it instituted? I know here in Massachusetts, the sex-offender registry is a very recent addition (last 5 years). In fact, taking any sort of responsibility for monitoring sex offenders and protecting children from them has only really become an issue in the later half of the previous decade. Before that, this state’s legal system and medical institutions were revolving doors for pedophiles, rapists, and other sexual criminals.

But no one wants to talk about that. That makes us all look bad. It doesn’t win anyone votes. It doesn’t boost the ratings. It doesn’t make money.

There were many unfit priests that needed to be removed. No one understood the nature of homosexuality in our society back then, and the idea that someone could be a repressed homosexual was given less credence than the theory that you could somehow catch being gay like a disease. A mentally healthy man was a straight man. Many priests went through the seminary under those sorts of assumptions, and as a result many people who should not have been priests were ordained. Later on, they would have to come to grips with their true nature with terrible results. Believing themselves diseases, trained only to deal with hetrosexual impulses, many of thesepriests were often isolated, self-loathing bundles of mental instability, desparate for God to “fix” them. The overwealming majority of priests against whom complaints are lodged do not qualify as pedophiles. Pedophiles seek sexual contact with pre-pubenscent children. Most complains are lodged based on inappropriate relations ships between closet-homosexual priests and 15 – 17 year old, sexually active, young men who often exhibited homosexual tendancies.

Completely inappropriate for celebate priests, as well as inappropriate behavior for any person 18 or older to conduct with any minor under the law. Of course, such occurances happen every day between non-priest adults and sexually active youths. We simply expect a much higher standard of behavior from teachers, clergy, and anyone else who is responsible for our children.

And damn rightly so.

A very small number of these incidents fit the stereotypes of dirty old men in Roman collars raping altar boys. A very small number indeed. Those monsters are a rarity, but a dangerous one.

Is even one incident too many? Shit yeah, one is too many. And the Church and Cardinal Law and just abut everyone on the planet will agree with us on this one.

The only reason zero-tolerance wasn’t implemented in the Church can be summed up in a very trite phrase: “Hate the sin, not the sinner.”

The Church isn’t a court. Its modern policies shy away from such hot-button topics as passing judgment and punishing the wicked. “Punishing the wicked is God’s job,” they tell us now, aschewing themselves from a bloody legacy containing the Spanish Inquisition and the Great Crusades. The Church isn’t about punishing evil anymore, but about reforming the sinner, forgiving the transgression, and getting people the help and support they need to becomed decent human beings again. In an era of complete misconception, where repressed homosexuals, pedophiles, and just about every other “sexual deviant” was labeled as “sick,” the Church looked to psychologists and psychietrists for a cure to the disease.

In most cases, the perscription from these medical advisors (as the Church records evidence indicates) was that with therapy and support, even the worst of these men could be treated and would no longer be a threat to anyone. Working on this knowledge, the Church got these “diseased” men “cured.” It was the compassionate, bleeding-heart answer to a horrible crime. It was the same answer our judicial system often took.

And it was the wrong answer. It failed, miserably. And all those failures got lost in a beaucratic gulaug 50 miles deep where these penatent and “cured” men were treated, forgiven, left mostly uncontroled and unmonitored, and were mostly forgotten by the upper management.

The ultimate failure of the Church in this case was that it tried to damn hard to do its own house-cleaning. No matter how many “cures” they tried, no matter how many psychologists and therapists assured the Church these men were completely safe, almost all of these men needed to be defrocked and dismissed. These men needed to be turned over to secular authorities and dealt with by the legal system. Some needed to be locked away in prison for life.

But house-cleaning and disciplining of priests has been an in-house matter for the Church for almost two thousand years. The times the Church has permitted governments to regulate the priesthood have historically had spectacularly horrific ends. This kind of a change was hard for the Church. It is hard for anyone to admit mistakes, or an inability to deal with one’s own problems. But, ultimately, delay caused unacceptable collateral damage in the form of innocent lives being ruined, more young people and children falling victim to abuse. And getting things done was even more difficult because no one wanted to hear about the problem. Not the government, not society, no one. Everyone just wanted it to “go away.” Eventually, it did stop, but the scars of the victims will never go away.

People ask, “How can this happen?” It happens because no one wants to believe. I happens because very few people wanted to deal with the problem. Do you honestly believe that far-away Cardinal was better informed about the goings on of a parish priest than the other institutions in a town? The pastor in my town can’t so much as get the flu without everyone on the board of selectmen, the Episcolple clergy, the nearest Rabbi, and half the Protestant ministers in town sending him a “get well” card.

People knew, or suspected, but didn’t want to believe it could happen. Just like politicians. We all know the corruption in politics, but incumbent candidates are reelected year after year because of the mentality that, “… but my Congressman is good people.” People believed what they wanted to believe, while victims suffered.

So, why the change of pace in the modern day?

Two words: Easy Money.

No, I’m not talking about victims seeking settlements from the Church either, though there are plenty of “me-too” bandwagonners trying to pick up an easy buck with a fabricated story slipping in to a mass-lawsuit.

No, I’m talking about the media, the lawyers, and the politicians. Lawyers in this case are more concerned with getting their 5-25% of multi-million dollar settlements. They scream “think of the children” while happily pocketing their money stained with the sufferin of these victims. Politicians are looking at an election year where they can push agendas and themselves. They can either destroy the power-base of their enemies alied with the Church or boost themselves on a self-righteous “for the children” candidate with a few hollow little words of condemnation. And how good is it to be a local ABC affiliate in Boston right now. The news ratings are through the roof. Maybe 20 seconds of new facts can be made into 20 minutes of rehashed accusations, speculation, and other non-fact garbage. And it sells. It all sells.

They make their profit at the expensive of abuse victims. They make their profit at the expense of a new generation of the Church that has already cleaned its house. They make their profit at the expense of impressionable viewers and readers. They make their profit at the expense of charities the Church supports. They make their profit at the expense of truth. They make their profit at the expense of due-process of the law.

The hypocrisy of it all disgusts and saddens me.

I just hope that somewhere beneath all this greed and destruction, some healing, justice, and progress will be made.
Kaioto
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, May 10, 2002 11:34:53 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Dave Barry:

:) Happy person

:( Sad person

:-) Happy person with a nose

:-( Sad person with a nose

:---( Person who is sad because he or she has a large nose

:-D Person laughing

:-D* Person laughing so hard that he or she does not notice that a 5-legged spider is hanging from his or her lip

:-| Person unsure of which long-distance company to choose

>8-O-(&) Person just realizing that he or she has a tapeworm

;-) Person winking

.-) Person who can still smile despite losing an eyeball

:-0WW Person vomiting a series of Slim Jims

:-Q Person who just had cybersex and is now enjoying a post-coital cybercigarette

>:-Q -... Person who was enjoying a post-coital cigarette until he suddenly noticed, to his alarm, that there is some kind of discharge dribbling from his cybermember

:-{8 Person who is unhappy with the results of her breast-enlargement surgery

:V:-| Person who cannot figure out why nobody wants to talk to him or her, little suspecting that there is an alligator on his or her head

~oE]:-| Fisherperson heading for market with a basket on his or her head containing a three-legged octopus that is giving off smell rays

>:-[ -{9 Person who is none too pleased to be giving birth to a squirrel

And, of course:

//:-( Hitler

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Friday, May 10, 2002 02:41:55 AM
IP: 169.226.230.45

One final left, and I think I actually got a B. Bugger.

Jan><<I’m sorry, your humor was lost in the text, I guess.>> Whatever.
Oh, and happy birthday to the A-Man.

Warpmind><> Yup. :) ...I have some better ones from Christmas and some of my visits, actually... Though I have to admit the one with the computer looked really... lainish. :D <<Now, as far as the fishing thing's concerned, you might want to leave that to us coastal dwellers... };)>> Eh, just a Tom Creep moment... Remind me to try that in a game some time.

Josh><<Yours or someone else's?>> Definately someone elses. Feeling much better now, though. :) <<How would that help?>> Subsisting your will to the prince of darkness tends to cut down on the stress of tough decision-making. There's the little downside of broiling in the hellfires of the eternal pit... But hey, whatcha do? <<Nope, but my roommate loves that game.>> As well he should! <<Ambrosia is here talking about how they're gonna stay mac developers for the forseeable future, especially with the new changes in Mac OS X.>> Sadl;y, I've heard some depressing things about the game designer's views on extensive modding. Essentially, modding of the code is never going to happen. Pity, because the potential for this game is UNBELIEVABLE. <<This is a bit too much info for everyone, I think.>> I rather thought so too... o.O
<<That's because you've become a godless liberal hippy in the last few months ::cough cough lain cough::>> That was probably a joke, but I've been meaning to get around to this for quite a while now. So, to who it may concern... *CoughCoughSJJanAndJoshCough*

Listen up, cause I'm only gonna go through this once. Yes, my views on politics have changed. But y'know what? Lain hasn't had nearly as much to do with it as SJ, Jannie, Greg B, and the rest of the "conservatives" in here. If "my side" is going to stand for collective punishment, nuclear holocaust, and "cutting the throats of women and children"... Well then, I'm going to SWITCH SIDES.
Y'all can believe whatever the heck ye want. But when I express logical disagreement with what ya say, at least have the COMMON FUCKING DECENCY to respond to my arguements, rather than accusing me of being a freakin brainwashee.
If you wish to comment further on the subject, please do so by email. As much as I'd really love to do the Chernobyl Cha-Cha in public, I'm afriad the admins would take offence.
Hugs and kisses. ^_^

<<You're kidding, right?>> Actually, no. He gives suprisingly good relationship advice (which was what I was refering to.) <<See, I will *see* it no matter what, because I love the Star Wars universe.>> Yup, that's me too. <<I'm sure I'll hate it though.>> I'm still holding out hope that it'll redeem jar jar and manaquin.

Gside><<Is there any other way for them to be?>> To be honest, I must admit that I hadn't really given the issue much thought. Should I? <<And hadn't we previously determined that wear refrigerated underwear?>> $W337!! Dude! How do you GET these cool toys!? <<But were they delivered by PVC clad agent Meg Sagi?>> Sadly, no. The only PVC was in the gloves I used to cover my filthy hands while accruing said cash. <<Elder gods and perverts.>> And morbid poetry. Don't forget the morbid poetry. <<Awright.>> Am I the ONLY person who doesn't see this as an intrensicly good thing?

Impfac><<Ashcroft is my kind of man-far superior to Janet “investigate what?” Reno.>> WACO! WACO! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCOOOOOOOOO!!!
...sorry, that just sorta slipped out there.
<<It’s infuriating, but oddly endearing.>> True, eh? ;)

Oooookay, and it's time to study for that final, copy anime, and clean up this monument to the perils of Bachelorhood.

And I have two beretta softairs now. WOO! John woo, to be precise!
Gunjack "Why Am I Watching Episode One?" Valentine - [miphsingleton@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 10, 2002 01:12:05 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

<<<Happy Birthday to John Ashcroft! He is 60 years old today. I hope he has many more.>>>

John Ashcroft’s birthday is one day after mine? Neato!

Many more indeed. Ashcroft is my kind of man-far superior to Janet “investigate what?” Reno. I trust his integrity.

France> All of Europe is being uncooperative in this war. They’re treating it like OUR problem. We’re having a terrible time getting terrorists extradited because they’re afraid we’ll put them to death. Furthermore, suspects are not getting properly investigated, and information isn’t being granted to the US. It’s time we stood up to Europe and forced cooperation.

Or, have we given up on the war on terrorism already? All I hear on campus is how ridiculous this war is, and that we’re the real terrorists. Of course, 90% of American’s (according to polls) disagree.

MD> Yes, Metaldemon would think that article is sick-as he doesn’t believe we should be fighting terrorism at all. He is indeed a fundamentalist Christian (contrary to what some people think, not all fanatic Christian’s are violent, terrorist maniacs). It’s infuriating, but oddly endearing.

That’s my guy :-P

Intelligence and tire changing> Well, some people are not mechanically adept. Brilliant people can fail to grasp basic concepts-it doesn’t make them dumb. I’m reasonably adept since I’ve pretty much been able to teach myself a lot of handiwork just by trying. But I know some very people might not ever get the nack. Experience is as-if not more-important than smarts.

Spiderman> I guess the comic book fans loved it. I personally was a little disappointed. All the characters were EXTREMELY contrite, and many of the plot elements were predictable and tired. I did get a few good (intended) laughs, but the amount of boring to action was just too great for me to go see it again.

My main problem was that the movie didn’t really lead up to much of a climax. The final battle wasn’t much better than any of the previous battles to me. I also expected the action to be more intense. The SFX were amazing, of course-I still shake my head and wonder how some of those shots were achieved when he was swinging through the city.

Overall, it was good, but nothing amazing-but I’m not a comic book guy.

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Friday, May 10, 2002 12:51:59 AM
IP: 169.226.230.45

If any of you are fans of the anime "Slayers", especially if you like the dub, please click and sign!

I can't imagine having Slayers without Crispin Freeman playing Zelgadis!! :(
Jen
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<---- S.O.S. (Save Our Slayers!)]
Thursday, May 9, 2002 11:32:13 PM
IP: 67.227.14.103

Happy Birthday to John Ashcroft! He is 60 years old today. I hope he has many more.

DPH> My apologies – I must have missed it when it posted before.
Josh> apologies to you too.
At least ya’ll were polite in letting me know that it had already been posted before.

*looks at Gunjack* I’m sorry, your humor was lost in the text, I guess.

DPH again> I don’t remove ticks from my cats. *shudders* Too gross. Juanita has had 4 ticks so far and I almost gagged while removing them. She’s never had a tick before…. Needless to say, she was not impressed. I’ve since put down bug killer stuff in the fenced yard area and haven’t seen anymore. The cats are roamers during the day, so they are subjected to ticks from all over. O.o Sadly, one of the cats is missing. =\ She returned home for one evening and has taken off again. The other one (her sister) remains at home, though.

Warpmind> Thanks for the pictures! It was nice reminiscing again : )

Crzy> Sorry about having to go thru the funeral and such =( I’m glad that your hubby is considerate and thought of something that would cheer you up. That’s very sweet!

Greg> <Klu Klux Kar> LMAO!! Good one!

MC> it was the sushi *nods* Banana pudding has never hurt anyone ;) It’s too delicious to be vicious. *L*
Glad you found a house to buy instead of a mobile home. Like you, I have nothing against mobile homes (except in storms and the depreciation value) but when you live in tornado alley, it’s wise to have a home a bit more stable and attached to the foundation.
Good luck with your yard – I’m in the process of trying to bring mine back up to par after 5 years of neglect. I have an acre lot on a hill and it’s been quite a challenge. There is so much potential – I just need the time, energy and money to put it in great looking shape. I have lots of huge oak trees and other various types that will eventually have flowers around the bases. The people across the street own the nursery – so I have some stiff competition. Heh.
I’m doing a rock garden along the garage side of my house (on level ground). Much cheaper and less work.
Now, if it would stop raining long enough, I could finish my flower and veggie garden. Right now I’m only able to grow mud.

Josh> <<All that means is either a) he never learned how to change a tire or b) he can't lift a tire.>> neither. He doesn’t have the “street sense” to figure it out. He changed a tire once, but put it on backwards and then couldn’t understand why it wouldn’t turn properly.
<> you’d have a better shot in the dark at it than someone with an IQ of around 100. You’d at least make a more intelligent effort than someone else with a lower IQ would. Now, if you are talented in that particular area, it doesn’t matter what your IQ is.
<<Let's cut that number by 75% for idiocy in multiplication and division.> blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda – take all of the fun out of it ;p It was just a joke.
Did you take a course in AR 101 while you were at the conference?

Spacebabie> Great Boston Public, huh?? :) I cheered when the “smell the shoe” lady made an appearance and then laughed so hard at what Harper told her. Did you catch Goober’s face while he was telling her that? *LOL* Goober fainting was the funniest of the whole show, though! I wasn’t sure if they were going to do a predictable ending with the transgender or not.. and they did. I was disappointed with that.
You watch Crossing Jordan too?? Yippee!! I love that show!! I hope that they don’t do a season cliffhanger on who killed her mother. O.o I wonder what’s up with Bugs and ummm.. forgot her name.. the secretary…. I wish he’d tell her how he feels and they can start getting’ it on ;)

GB> <<but I think the feast day of St. Jean Baptiste De La Salle may have coincided with National Teachers Day. Why is that important? He was patron saint of Teachers>> oh sure… you Catholics just HAVE to put a saint to everything, huh? ;)
Even though I’m not narrow minded enough to say that _all_ Catholics are guilty of abusing the children – I will say that the majority of the church is guilty. They didn’t necessarily do the act themselves, but they closed their eyes to it. This most recent event is certainly not the first time it has happened. For the past eons of years they have turned their heads, closed their eyes, and have covered up the sexual abuse of young boys. If they members of the Catholic Church had taken a stand against this type of behavior, do whatever it took to show their discontent and disapproval – boycott, refuse to contribute another penny to the church, etc. then this would have been stopped a long time ago. Every one who is aware of this type of behavior happening and yet does nothing is guilty of the crime. A lot of Catholics like to claim that they were not aware of such behaviors thru out the years… how is it that non-Catholics all knew about it but not their own members? Somehow I really doubt their ignorance. They chose to ignore it. The Catholic Church needs to do some major overhaul and clean-up… maybe after they do that, they will once again gain the respect that it once had.

Metaldemon> the only way the article would be considered is sick (IMHO) is that there is a lot of truth to what it says. I don’t necessarily condone attacking France, but we do need to let them know that their behaviors are not acceptable. We need to begin sanctions against them and withdraw any and all financial aid that I’m sure we probably give to them.

Christine> *LOL* I can just imagine Becca’s face when she was trying to figure out what in the world was happening! Good luck on completing your story. : )

Zachy and Nana time…
Jan
Thursday, May 9, 2002 09:40:08 PM
IP: 12.110.236.182

Well, drat it, I was *that* close to finishing my Godiva story. Which got away from me as usual and is somewhere in the vicinity of 22,000 words with still a ways to go. Sub-plots. Getcha every time. I hope to finish it tomorrow and have it posted sometime Saturday. If not, I am working overtime Saturday night so will get it done then.

Book news > got another rejection letter; the funny part (funny, yeah, right, a real laff riot) was that the publisher, since I'd so conveniently supplied my address, sent me a catalog the very next day. "You're not good enough for us, but here's a big list of all the people who are!" :P Ah, well, I'll just try again with the next book (tee-hee, the one that's dedicated to the Jericho Fan Club).

Funny moment today with Becca. Turned on the television and Phantom Menace was on. She went to put in a tape, ejected the one that was in there, and it was Phantom Menace. While on the screen, the movie kept playing. The look on her face as she held up the tape! LOL. What a kid.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, May 9, 2002 08:42:12 PM
IP: 67.226.12.115

*peeks in*
Good lord Warps, you didn't say it was gonna be _that_ large a battle. You are gonna get cooked! Bug-Kabobs! Fried roasted xenomorph! (well, not so much xenomorph, but crispied just the same).

More logic to study. One more final, and i get a break. woo-friggin--hooooo

out

archwolf
Thursday, May 9, 2002 07:50:50 PM
IP: 137.148.203.164

Atillah> That's a sick article.
metaldemon
Thursday, May 9, 2002 05:44:06 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

*Warpmind baldly strides in, like few have baldly strided... strodden... stridden... aw, heck with it; I'm comin' in.*
Yo, gang. Last post before my Grand Clash with Eldar, Orks and Humans alike... *Smirk*

Valentine: I do believe you may well have received those pictures. Now, as far as the fishing thing's concerned, you might want to leave that to us coastal dwellers... };)

Mooncat: Tummy's oogie after sushi and banana pudding? You know, I suspect that *most* digestive systems *should* have issues with such a combination... õõ

Jen: These overdue G01 pics just keep cropping up, eh? :)

Gside: Leave the hair to you? *Dumps about a half-pound of slightly damp hair in Gside's lap.* Fine; YOU dispose of it. };)

Josh: Why are you so concerned about me breeding? It's Aaron and Mara you should be *really* worried about - after all, they *will* bring about the Antichrist. ;) As for Spacebabie... We'll just see what she answers, eh? };)

Well, that about concludes this post. See y'all later, folks. *Scritches the ghost of Reverend Attila on the way out.*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Thursday, May 9, 2002 05:19:45 PM
IP: 193.217.140.62

Here it is. I have returned to haunt you. Click on my name for an article about our next military action. Ann Coulter knows how to make me purrr just right.

GB and Daphne> Hmmmm.....man I'm jealous

Biblical Names

Morris the Cat as God :)
Ghost of Reverend Attil - [Clicky clicky]
Thursday, May 9, 2002 05:11:21 PM
IP: 62.104.212.74

Tuesday was kind of slow. I couldn't go to the cocoa session because there was no net access in the auditoriums (they don't want us broadcasting everything that gets said live) and I needed to be IMing my mother because she was calling the apartment place for me.

I have to go through the application process for my backup residence for the summer. They'll send me the application and I'll mail it back and it takes 2-7 days to process etc. I just hope it all gets done. Kinda nerve-wracking. I have to find a place to live.

My first foray into programming in cocoa, which was little more than copying someone's code and getting it to compile, ended embarassingly when I switched one variable name for another and attempted to draw lines between point A and point A.

Oops.

Next project: a calculator

Wednesday night the students had a sweet pool party, paid for by Apple. That'd be pool as in billiards, not the swimming kind. It was a blast.

Thursday night there was a pizza mixer with U. Mich students, UC Berkeley students, and Apple employees. Met a lot of cool people, but no real job opportunities.

Green Baron: <<LOL!! Your comment realy makes me laugh>>: Wish I could take credit for it. That line came from MST3K: The Movie. It busted me up too. <<Green Baron walks in happily and hugs Daphne>>: Enough with the sap. I've met programmers that were more subtle flirts than you are.

DPH: <<Bad news for all those who believe I'm sane>>: as if we're that stupid. <<What's the worse place to remove ticks from a cat? On its but>>: Thanks, I needed that image. <<

Yggdrasil: <<but these tests were taken over a 16-month period when I was 12-13>>: Doesn't mean they were reliable.

Jan: <<. My older brother is "genius" level IQ and can't change a tire>>: All that means is either a) he never learned how to change a tire or b) he can't lift a tire. Both of those are true for me. Now, if I got a flat, I could probably meddle my way through it. Maybe it wouldn't be on properly, but it would hold long enough. "Genius" is just the ability to make intuitive leaps. Not "can you change a tire" but "can you figure out how to change a tire given a tire iron and a jack". That's like me telling someone they're not really intelligent because they don't know how to install a hard drive. I mean, if you were really so smart, you'd know, right? ;-) <<When I lived in Liberal, KS>>: Is that an oxymoron? <<Why do we teach Math?>>: Didn't someone post that in here a few weeks ago? <<Most of the bumper-to-bumper is on an 8 lane highway. There's 7 cars every 40 feet for 32 miles>>: Assuming he moves and no one else does. Plus, its closer to 2-4 cars every forty feet. And you don't pass many cars, because its slow and the same cars pass you that you pass later on. Let's cut that number by 75% for idiocy in multiplication and division. And that assumes that cars are 10 feet long and are literally touching in traffic (neither of which is true).

Mooncat: <<an aversion to lawn mowers>>: It's the weed whackers you've got to look out for. Heh heh...I said "whackers". <<everyone knows the sole purpose of a lap is to give a cat a good curl up space>>: I thought they were places for people to put their heads. <<one takes ones chances with the cheapie sushi>>: Ack! You'll never catch me eating the cheap stuff. I just don't trust it. Sushi is a treat, and should be priced accordingly ;-)

Gside: <<Got a pretty bad raping today>>: They have counseling centers for that. <<Only for a one time use>>: For that I've invented: the hammerang! Be careful it doesn't hit you on the way back. <<You never know when another ice age is coming.>>: Not anytime soon, I hope. <<Man>>: I don't think documentation will help here. <>: You now have fantasies of raping women with your four penises? <<Only for part of the year>>: I don't want any more details, really. <<you can't take pictures of catgirls with a tazer>>: There were no catgirls, or if there were they were ugly. <<You could take the catgrils themselves, but that gets frowned upon>>: Such details do not concern me.

Gunjack: <<irrational urge to beat a head into a concrette wall>>: Yours or someone else's? <<I'm dancin the mambo of joy, but y'all can feel free to scream in horror>>: AHHHHHHHHHH! Okay, I'm done now. <>: How would that help? <<Ever played a little game called "escape velocity"? Mac-only, sweetest space sim ever made?>>: Nope, but my roommate loves that game. Ambrosia is here talking about how they're gonna stay mac developers for the forseeable future, especially with the new changes in Mac OS X. <<Gside's balls are sweaty, Spacebabie is... a fiesty little filly?>>: This is a bit too much info for everyone, I think. <<FAT SACKS>>: Dude, I don't want to know about your fat sacks. <<MetalDemon is FAR more of a radical fundamentalist Christian than I am>>: That's because you've become a godless liberal hippy in the last few months ::cough cough lain cough:: <<living enbodiment of the "wise, all-knowing gay person">>: You're kidding, right?

Greg X: <<Lucas has enough mindless peons that are still going to camp outside the theatre to get opening day tickets>>: The bigger trouble is that they will love it no matter what. See, I will *see* it no matter what, because I love the Star Wars universe. I'm sure I'll hate it though. <>: Which would accomplish what? <<Megatron (as if there was any doubt)>>: None whatsoever. <<ruling Hell was always one of my dream jobs>>: Not one of my dream jobs...but probably one of my future jobs anyway. <<You dissapoint me, but you have been going soft lately>>: I try to answer honestly. The truth is that I don't want to kill anyone myself...but they rarely give me the choice "have my minions do horrible things". <<Aw, I'm touched>>: You wished. <<what possesses you to find and post these topics?>>: Stupidity, and the desire to start flame wars.

Mandolin: <<It's taking every ounce of patience I have to keep from going off on my roommate>>: I feel your pain.

Spacebabie: <<Boston public>>: Damnit I missed it. <<I’m glad Harper did that to that “smell this shoe” woman>>: What did he do? <<I’d sleep in if it meant that I was doing some active things the previous evening>>: I'll consider it. <<Where the F are you today?>>: Programmer's conference. <<What is hot to you is cool to me>>: No comment. <<Why have beautiful boys when I can have beautiful men?>>: You can't have either.

Daphne: <>: No, just cuz I don't like being smacked.

Lain: <<queen sized bed...lovesweat>>: Now all you need is an S.O. <<a strip joint right up the road>>: Sweet! I'm coming to visit.

Warpmind: <<but it might happen>>: God help us. <<you might not want me to think you're coming on to me>>: I think she does want you to think that.

David: <<he did seem to have a soft spot for Dawn. I'm not really sure why>>: He's a pedophile.

Metaldemon: <<NEVER am I going to write an essay on empiricism this late at night!>>: Got you beat. I'm never gonna write another essay on empiricism.

Okay, I'm just gonna post this now.

The trick is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor bastard die for his.
-General George S. Patton

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenutsDOTcom]
San Jose, CA, US of A
Thursday, May 9, 2002 04:04:00 PM
IP: 216.2.30.8

Good news: I have something lined up to earn me $75 working as an election worker. The bad news is that I will have to stay there all day from 6:30 am to 8:00 pm. It's because there is an unwritten rule at my church: elections can be held there only if a church member is present to lock/unlock doors. Since the people who normally did it got moved to a different voting location and the other people who would won't be able to make it, I got the job.

One thing I have neglected to mention: Sunday morning, my dad had an accident while picking people up with my church van. The problem was he didn't see the other vehicle coming. This truck had extra large tires (for going through mud) so visibility wasn't an issue: the driver was obviously speeding pretty bad. In proximity of that location there has been naumerous accidents over the years.

Green Baron - <Standardized tests are sadly the best we can do, but fairly useless except for the sake of statistcis.> Ideally, wouldn't the most objective way to measure intelligence be to read a person's mind/thought?

Daphne - < I’m less evil than you?> Wait a minute: I'm not sure how one could be less evil and not be taken advantage of. Not only that, but you need to let your anger out from time to time. Most of the time that technically involves back stabbing.

Mooncat - <Why not? Laps are excellent sleeping places, and while you are taking your nap, your human has the excellent chance to admire you and perhaps give scritchies. Besides, everyone knows the sole purpose of a lap is to give a cat a good curl up space.> Actually, I was starting to suspect the cat was taking a nap to get me relaxed enough to fall asleep so it could run around.

Mooncat - <Changed antihistamines, but all of them tend to knock me out for about a half hour to an hour out of every 4 to 6 hours.> What kind of antihestamines are you taking? They never did that to me.

Spacebabie - <DPH with Mitsuake’s healing powers> Stupid question: who is Mitsuake?

My electric bill went down $20 this month. I'm mad at Southwestern Bell for not receiving the check I sent them last month. When I get my bank statement, I'll find out what happenned to that check.

Green Baron - <::Green Baron walks in happily and hugs Daphne::> Isn't that close to cheating for you?
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, May 9, 2002 04:01:22 PM
IP: 204.94.193.11

Vixen:::Meowrrr I lost another decoration stone form my collar.
Mix:::At least you have collars:::
Velvelt:::You keep lossing collars.
spooky:any ways we are here to say that Mommy has a sore spot on the neck, but its healing up.
Charisma:::That yummy chicken is gone but we got some bites.
Vixen:::We just noticed there is a lack of red in the cr.
Mix:::What we are saying is...
Velvet:::Where the hell is Josh. Heck we need a post from SJ or GREG.
Spooky:::I got an idea lets cheer up Crzy and read Mooncat's fanfics
Charisma:::I'll give DPH a kitty massage.
Vixen:::I wonder where the ghost of the great one is?(purrs and rubs against Green Baron)
MEOW
Spacebabies Kitty's
Thursday, May 9, 2002 12:38:49 PM
IP: 67.25.55.178

Wow! I think this is the first time in ages that the number of posts are actually manageable for a person like me. *L* I've never had enough time to actually read all the posts before.. ^_^

Thomas< *L* Reunion? Have you decided to come to the Gathering then? ;) Hopefully I'll be able to go to the 2003 one, but I really don't have the slightest clue what I'll be doing then. If I can go, you better be there!!

I saw the Spiderman movie! I went the day it came out. ^_^ Personally, I thought it was a little sappy, but I don't really get into the mushy stuff. It was definitely good otherwise...

Jen< You're right on with that wet Spandex..*grins* I'd definitely go see it again. *L*

And now I think I might go do what I'm supposed to be doing. *wrinkles her nose and runs off*
cherry
Thursday, May 9, 2002 12:08:34 PM
IP: 198.234.250.162

never, NEVER am I going to write an essay on empiricism this late at night!!! ARGH!, I want sleep!!!
metaldemon
Thursday, May 9, 2002 04:06:41 AM
IP: 24.219.165.75

Gunjack> <<Gside's balls are sweat>>: Is there any other way for them to be? And hadn't we previously determined that wear refrigerated underwear?
<>: But were they delivered by PVC clad agent Meg Sagi?

Mandolin> <<Dr. Seuss-inspired poem entitled "The Worker's Mantra.">>: Thank you for inspiring the next mp3. Though there are still two Früvous options to go for. Eh, I like Boss better.

Spacebabie> <<What else do you expect in this cr? Besides geeks, nerds, and jerks?>>: Elder gods and perverts.

Lain> <<so theres a strip joint right up the road>>: Awright.
<<make a cool hundred or so dollars today by selling my soul.. er.. my textbooks>>: Only if you're lucky and they're feeling generous.

Warpmind> <<Starts grooming his peach fuzz>>: Don't bother, leave the hair to me.

And the mp3, if you haven't guessed it, is I Love My Boss by Moxy Früvous.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Thursday, May 9, 2002 03:47:27 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

My grandmother's service was wonderful... But I couldn't wait to get home. Being in her house without her there just seemed... wrong.

Alan surpised us on the way home from my grandmother's Sunday night by stopping by the movie theater so we could see Spider-man. It was his way of trying to cheer us all up... and it WORKED. I thought after the 6 hour drive that my kids would be too tired to sit through a movie. But they all were wired up by it. Fantastic movie, (even for a die-hard nit-picky Spidey fan like me) I've seen it twice now and it wouldn't take much to get me to see it again!! (if for nothing else, that scene where he beats off bad guys in the rain without his mask on! Humina humina! Wet spandex looks great on him!)

As for Gwen Stacy... I think they wanted to concentrate on MJ and Peter... To toss in Peter's REAL first love, then have her tossed off the Brooklyn Bridge in the very same movie may have been a bit too harsh for our first Spidey movie. I would like to see Gwen show up in the next movie... or even Felicia Hardy... or even JJJ's secretary, Betty Brant, since Peter seemed to warm up to her a bit. ("I'm a photographer" LOL!)

I finally found and developed my missing role of film from the Gathering. I will post pics a bit later. (got a good one of Aaron, Mara and Crispin F. WOO!)

Jen
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 11:39:02 PM
IP: 67.227.14.82

Well, the tornado warnings and storms abound tonight. It was actually a lovely day until around 4:30, when everything got SCARY... And me having to drive back and forth across town, praying my car wouldn't flood in those streets that turned into lakes a good foot or two deep. I just got new tires today *^_^* I'm ever so uber pleased with them!

Now I'm stuffed full of sushi and banana pudding... ooohhhhh... tummy feels oogie. Don't know if was the questionable raw fish (one takes ones chances with the cheapie sushi) or the banana pudding. O_o ... eee... don't know whether it would be worth my while to lose the dinner or try to keep from losing it. The squid was not nice at all, and the eel was entirely too fatty... >_< bleh... I knew I should just have had some cambell's beef soup. *~_~* oh well...

Back to writing and stuff...
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 09:35:56 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Warpmind - Oh, and what's this about pictures?

*Pulls a reel of 300 lb test line and a fistfull of deep sea hooks*

Fishhooks and line
Fishhooks and line
A spatter of red and a soft scent of brine
None 'ere will find you
The deep shows no sign
Of the body that's swaddled in fishhooks and line

Sweet dreams... 8 )
Gunjack Valentine
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 06:52:34 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

::Green Baron walks in happily and hugs Daphne::

Today was a good day. I played my first D&D game in ages. One of the funniest things happened, too. I have learnd an important rule: never put on clothing without thinking. I put on a hat of stupidity and my Int was reduced to 7, so I just acted like a moron for the whole game which was entertaining and I can role-play. It's good to do soem fun stuff like this.

Metaldeom> I was being sarcastic, too. I have noticed you are very fundamentalist. Well, I'm a dogmatic reactionary, so I can't say too much :)

Jackal> It's been a while since you've been around.

Yggdrasil> Standardized tests are sadly the best we can do, but fairly useless except for the sake of statistcis. The margin of error is high and the study guides only teach you how to beat the system, but if they exist for my kids, I will want them beating the system. It's useful.

The ASVAB is taken for getting into the Army or any branch. I scored a 96% on the AFTQ. I may do well at the tests. I got high scores in many of the tests and was weak in Mechanical and Science, but excellent in Field Artillery, Clerical, Literature and soem others. The GT was an overall score like the AFTQ. An Officer needs a 120 to get a commission. I got a 126. A 140 gets you into MENSA. This is a purely vocational test, so it has no bearing on itellect, but there is an overlap. I think the ASVAB is useful for its purposes, but as an IQ indicator, rather poor.

Jan> I know you may not care about the following info, but I think the feast day of St. Jean Baptiste De La Salle may have coincided with National Teachers Day. Why is that important? He was patron saint of Teachers. Just a fun little fact, plus my high school De La Salle was named after him and his order :)

Gunjack> Well, I'm glad you posted a response. Good ideas, but will soemone ask Ahab to shine his sandals :)

Lain> I'm glad to see you again. If it were for teh high taxes and all, I'd move in with you. 430 a month canadian. I could send you 50 a month and that's rent and fun money :p

Greg X> <<Yeah, let's put a few of those Catholic priests in there, not all of them, just the ones molesting children. >> Thanks for teh clarification. My Chaplain mentioend what is going on and his first comment was there is no excuse for this behavior. He woudl go on to mention that some accusations were done our of revenge, but he made it clear that there was no excuse..none...nada. I try to be a good man and have some shred of mercy, but no...I'll repent later, but I want these perverts destroyed. Maybe not dead...well, maybe so. The priests who did this.. inexcusable. My faith will not be shaken, but for me and the 25% of Catholics in America who actually practice, damn them..and I mean that literally. I knwo if I wish horrid death upon them I'll regret being vengeful, but I won't take back that they betrayed me, the chidlren they rape, and the Holy Father...a kind loving man who will be marked with this forever. The Bishops who defended it by ommission..unnaceptable. Perhaps torturous deaths of pedophile priests is wrong, but shuffling them is worse. I liked Bernard Law and Robert Egan, but they have no excuse. They are Cardinals. A Prince of the Church does not mena they can be Prince Charles or an Americna Congressman. It menas they are servants of God, of Catholics, and of people period! Their inaction and recommendations show they have forgotten why God called them to be Cardinals. Bernard Law will be gone from Boston and moved to Rome. In a way this is like my NCO being shifted out of Customer Service to Internal Control. Now, with the Cardinals, they did not molest, but abetted it. A total defrocking..no, I'm merciful. Strip them of their red hat and Bishop's chain, as well as any red a monsignior would have. They can be resident priests in parishes...for the rest of their lives. I'll give them a chance to repent but any leadership...gone. As resident priests they cannot be Vicars or Pastors of their Parish. Their pride and abuse of power shows they have lost their right to it.

As for the pedophile priests, they betrayed children, violated their vows, and disgraced the Catholic Church. I don't care if their ill. For the sake of the Pope, I wouldn't kill them, but they would have to atone....send them to prison. Give them hard labor. They can spend now until their deaths to seek God's forgiveness.

And in a less serious response, I support you 100% and thank you for not dragging all priests in this. So many do an excellent job and so many Bishops have zero tolerance for perverts. From their ranks, shall we find repalcements for every Cardinal and Bishop stripped of his hat and chain.

I have even begun to rethink the Celibacy requirement...and I am one of the strongest supporters for Celibacy. But let that occur later on its own accord and not as a reaction to the current scandal. For the first thousand years, priests could marry. It was changed over inheritance and to imitate the ascetic life of monks. Today, a priest is not obligated to leave everything to the Church. Of course, I yield all such decisions to the Pope, but now I am more open to the idea, though if I was married and the laws were changed, I would not become a Priest.

I guess that was more of a rant.

<<Ah yes, benevolent and kind, he really displayed that when he sent a ship full of Jews escaping the Holocaust back to Germany... and he knew what was going on. He damn well knew.>> I was only trying to give Roosevelt some slack since I was trying to cut down the Democrat bashing. His actions once again...no excuse. I still think LBJ makes that inaction benevolent by comparison, but that only shwos how much I thoroughly dislike LBJ. I shoudln't hate Johnson, but to put it mildly, I seriously dislike him. Roosevelt's allowing the Jewish refugees back to Germany was wrong..dead wrong. He has answered to God for that. I was only trying to cut him a little slack so I wouldn't make the CR too Republican...but I'll back you.

That reminds me. I remember somebody went to his monument (what a waste of money...he is America's second dictator...Lincoln was first) and left a 1040 as tribute :) I have no desire to see that. I admit I'd rather have Roosevelt as dictator than Stalin or Hitler, but four rooms with water....that's our tax payer dollars... we could have given that money to something better like a Memorial to the American born Japanese veterans of WWII who while imprisoned in Americna prison camps still valaintly defended a nation that impounded them.

<<Nah, he's too dumb to be a dictator>> A relief, actually.

Mandolin> I'm glad to see you post again. I'll have many more links as I post more frequently.

Cherry Blossom> Yes! Its a reunion..woohoo

Daphne> <<oh, all that means is that standardized tests like me. Thanks for the hugs, though>> Well, I can't blame them for liking you ::hugs:: And I'll contain to keep giving you hugs ::hugs:: :)

Lain> BTW, I actually like Seventh Heaven. I always find it a cute show and sometimes I'd like to escape the realism. As for praying on TV ::takes out his roasry made from rose petals:: :p

David G. > Now this CR can get back to more civil ground. Let's have a party....celebrate good times...comeon!!

::hugs Daphne again and leaves::
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 05:30:29 PM
IP: 62.104.212.74

Mandi> Xander didn't leave Anya because of the false vision of the future - he left her because of the real vision of his alcoholic, abusive father.

Mooncat> Spike COULDN'T reform. I spent most of this season annoyed by how close to reforming he came. When it comes down to it, Spike is a demon - a creature that exists to spread misery and death. The "V-Chip" in his head keeps him from hurting anyone, and to survive and be comfortable he found it in his interest to act like a good guy, but he was always evil - he was always the same, cruel, sadistic bastard at that he was at the beginning.

But he did seem to have a soft spot for Dawn. I'm not really sure why.

I thought it was really interesting that he could subvert the chip and attack Buffy because in his mind he wasn't trying to hurt her. It reminded me of the ep where Dru came back and I thought Spike might take up violence again in an attempt to build up a resistance to the pain.

That would have been cool.
David G. - [david_goodner@yahoo.com]
Arlington, TX, USA
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 05:09:45 PM
IP: 198.215.20.3

*Warpmind strolls in, looking cheerful, accompanied by dozens of bug-like monsters with various unhealthy-looking xenomorphic weaponry grown onto them.*
Ahhh... Come Friday, I shall field my Tyranid army, the Charybdis Hivefleet, into a Campaign... *Grin* There's just something about waging war with an army of xenomorphs... }:)

Green Baron: Don't remember wheree I got the evil anime test, sorry... :( Lost the link. :(

This whole debte on ethnicity and intelligence... An interesting side note there is that there is a tribe... I think it's on New Guinea, but I'm not sure, where they have severe problems differing between blue and green. This has nothing to do with their eyes; they just don't have two separate words for those two colors...

Josh: I have no immediate plans to breed, but it might happen. Or I'll adopt. As for being an idiot savant... naw; more like a jerk savant or a dork savant. };)

Valentine: Yaaay, Lain'll be back soon. So, howzabout those snaps I got of'er, eh? };)

Mandolin: Yep, G2001 photos. I take it you approve?

Spacebabie: Careful, you might not want me to think you're coming on to me. (Unless you *are*, of course...) };) *Starts grooming his peach fuzz.*

Lain: Whee, you posted! *Wicked grin* How convenient, now that I've acquired a new kind of phonecard with 300 minutes on it... for transatlantic calls, at a cost of, oh, about 11$ US... }:)

Whupp, that about settles this post, then. Might not return until late on Saturday, maybe not even until Sunday.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 03:30:18 PM
IP: 193.217.203.221

YAY!
i have a big house!
and a queen sized bed!
and a big couch and a loveseat!
and pots and pans and a tv that gets three channels (no cable)
but..
i dont have a phone line..
or a can opener..
oh well, cant win em all. i still have 600 square feet to run amok in ALL TO MYSELF for 430$ a month :D

yeah, so theres a strip joint right up the road.. its kinda funny though, cos theyre surrounded. theres a catholic school on one side, an anglican church at the back, and a baptist church on the other side. hee hee.
so my phone gets hooked up tomorrow. YAY! but i wont be able to get internet for at least two weeks after that. dont ask me why, cos i dont know. but if i sign up for internet before the end of this month, I GET A FREE WEBCAM! woo! and my high-speed ethernet is only 10$ a month for 3 months... then gets jacked up to.. 20$ a month.. BWA HA!
but hey.. i still have that aol cd trial thingy.. if i get a phone line, maybe i could suffer with dial-up for two weeks until i can get my life back..

val>> <<I'll be the suit with the silenced beretta>> erm... not to be picky but.. isnt that *MY* silenced beretta? what, you think im growing this annoying hair long for nothing? :P~ <> heh.. heheheh.... heheHBWAHAHAHAHHAHAAH!!!! i mean.. er.. *cough* i thought you WERE already my willing serv.. um.. ;)
and your bible characters list.. youve got it all wrong.. martha stewart is the DEVIL.. :P her and her.. cushions..

mooncat>> <<re: gardening>> the answer to your gardening problem is quite simple. make a rock garden :)

***********BUFFY SPOILERS***********
*sniffle* WAAAAH!
but tara was so.. CUTE!
no, i didnt tape it for you, val. when i turn on the vcr, it makes the three channels i DO get go all yikity so.. tough beans.
anyway. will better kick some serious bum.
********END BUFFY SPOILERS**********

**********ANGEL SPOILERS************
okay was it just me or was that... REALLY lame?
gah :P
and it had such potential..
and whats with the bad matrix slow-mo fight scene imitations? eesh
*************END ANGEL SPOILERS********

********WARNING! INCOMING OPINION!**********
speaking of gross things.. on the three channels i get on my tv, i was surfing and came across some horrific drivel which i believe is known as "seventh heaven." yes yes, i appreciate what they were trying to do but the least they could do would be to write the characters lines.. you know.. realistically.. what little kid uses the word "posthumously" in normal daily discourse? and how many times can you say "staff sergent dwight j whazizface" in an hour? too many. it was cheese. utter disgusting soppy wet melted gooey cheese with things growing on it. yuk. if yer gonna pay homage to some fallen all-american heroes, at least give them half a shred of decency. and quit with the praying on tv. GIT THEE BACK TO THY CLOSETS!! remind me never to watch that show again. ill watch the french channel. :P
*************END OPINION************

yeah, so thats about it. i WAS hoping to make a cool hundred or so dollars today by selling my soul.. er.. my textbooks back to the university but, apparently, just cos it would be *convenient* for me to sell them now means they wont be accepting them till june. :P
*grumbles*
oh well. kraft dinner for me! did you know? canadians consume more kraft dinner per capita than any other nation on the face of the planet? its true..

*exits, leaving a spring-loaded pounce-snuggle-hug for val smoochy-woochie-poo-pie who i miss like the deserts miss the rain*
lain
the Great White North
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 02:24:44 PM
IP: 129.100.28.193

That was me... sorry about that...

[not trusting the sandwich I'm eating] cafeteria food... if the chicken doesn't kill me, the mayo will... Can't wait 'til I'm home and can eat *real* food again. (Thursday night!)
Just 2more exams and an overdue paper to go -- thanks for distracting me, Green Thomas :) [hugs back]

I haven’t seen Buffy or spider-man, so no spoilers here

Gunjack>> Love the list :)
<Lot - Ralph Nader
Lot's Daughters - Britney Spears, Christina Agulara > umm… Lot’s daughters slept with him [shudders] <Jacob - Jackie Chan
Essau - The Rock> good thing they weren’t identical twins :)
<The Golden Calf – Oprah> [laughs!]
<Goliath - Arnold Schwarzine... Schwarxinigg... Arnie.> [innocently] not Keith David?

DPH>> <just a little evil> I’m less evil than you? [reads other results] shoot… not only am I one of the youngest here, I’m also one of the least evil. Should I be scared?

Green Thomas>> <130+ IQ and a 1500 on her SATs :)> oh, all that means is that standardized tests like me. Thanks for the hugs, though

Josh>> <Even I don't try that stuff.> I thought that was just ‘cause I’m not your type :p

God bless!
Daphne
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 02:08:42 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

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Anonymous
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 01:54:42 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

DPH -- <<Mooncat & anyone else - I have a cat who ocassionaly wants to go inside and fall asleep in my lap. Why?>>

Why not? Laps are excellent sleeping places, and while you are taking your nap, your human has the excellent chance to admire you and perhaps give scritchies. Besides, everyone knows the sole purpose of a lap is to give a cat a good curl up space.

MC
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 01:50:46 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Evil test…I’m just a little evil.
I had an 8:am dentist appointment today. Had some fillings done.
Dad made some great chicken yesterday. He mixed up a bbq sauce then grilled it nicely.
I also had my first taste of Absinthe last night. YUCK it tastes like licorice !!!!
Oh yeah Spoiler time

SPOILERS FOR BOSTON PUBLIC, ANGEL, CROSSING JORDAN, And BUFFY
_____________________________________________________________________
Boston public. Goober fainting was hilarious, and I’m glad Harper did that to that “smell this shoe” woman. Anyone else suspecting that the transvestite was going to get pig blood dumped on him? They wussed out at the end.

Angel…I liked Lorne’s friend. I want to have hair that color and wesley looks very…hmmmm..good!

Crossing Jordan..I did not expect to hear that at the end. I thought he would say “I knew your mother.”

Buffy..Holy! I knew Jonathon held a soft spot for Buffy. I was expecting spike was going o sire Buffy before doing her. I can see a big make up thing with Anya and Xander. Willow’s eyes were freaky, and it looks like we actually get to see the big cheese himself next week

SPOILERS END
______________________________________________________________________

Josh<<<I'm "kinda evil". >>>Figures<<<>>I’d sleep in if it meant that I was doing some active things the previous evening.<<<Who?>>>This real cutie pie who attend my university. He is also a creative writing major. Where the F are you today?

Gside<<<Freak. >>>What else do you expect in this cr? Besides geeks, nerds, and jerks?<<<It does get that hot in Jersey.>>>What is hot to you is cool to me.

Warpmind<<<You're making me a bishonen?>>>Nope a Biseinen. Why have beautiful boys when I can have beautiful men?

Thomas>>>Spell check, or stop letting a certain ghost walk around the keys.

JacKaL>>>Hey my man where have you been? Hows the tot?

Mooncat<<<Changed antihistamines, but all of them tend to knock me out for about a half hour to an hour out of every 4 to 6 hours.>>>Why can’t they develop an allergy pill that doesn’t knock ya for a loopy

Jan<<<at least I ended up here in God's country :) >>>I thought Texas was God’s country..Um I already posted that statistical joke.

GXB<<<Damn, I need a Miko. And some warriors.>>>E-mail Mooncat.<<<Who are these seven?>>>Beside Warpy,Gside,and Josh theres SJ with Chichiri’s magic, DPH with Mitsuake’s healing powers, Firestorm with Nuriko’s strenght and Wilek with Tasuke’s metal fan.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 01:49:50 PM
IP: 67.25.55.176

Yggdrasil - <Good observation! What is intelligence?> I remember that from psychology class. I know better than to try to define intelligence, except to say intelligence and knowledge/wisdom aren't the same thing. There's emotional intelligence - knowing how to deal with stress - and all sorts of types of intelligence, but no formal definition. If you ask me who the world's smartest person is, I'll point you in the direction of Jeopardy winners.

That reminds of something: isn't the goal artificial intelligence the ability to create a program that can think exactly like a human? *goes off to write something somewhere else*

*returns after posting something somewhere else related to intelligence and how we operate*

What's the worse place to remove ticks from a cat? On its but.

I have a week to turn in my state income taxes so I guess I will have to start working on that pretty soon.

Mandolin - <You know, I've received maybe 7 updates from the "Broken Saints" newsletter I subscribed to, and every time they dump it into Bulk Mail I e-mail Yahoo and complain. Doesn't seem to work.> Today, it showed up in my Inbox again. Sheesh.

I thought renters were entitled to liberties - namely not being waked up in the morning. I'm sorry, but that moron is giving me a big headache right now from not getting enough sleep.

Mooncat & anyone else - I have a cat who ocassionaly wants to go inside and fall asleep in my lap. Why?

Jan - Didn't someone post that same paragraph a while back?

Ok, what do you call a person who, upon seeing you complete using the rider mower for all the yard, thinks you should start riding riding the whole yard all over again because some of it has grown up?
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 01:43:47 PM
IP: 204.94.193.55

Hey Mandolin, I read your post about driving down to the Gathering a few days early. I don't know when I'm going, but it'll probably be early and if you're somewhere on my way, I can pick you up. Where do you live? Email me, if you haven't found a ride yet.
cherry - [Sakura1084@hotmail.com]
Springfield, OH
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 12:45:13 PM
IP: 198.234.250.162

**delurks, emerging from a pile of someone else's boxes and junk**

I don't CARE if I only have 7 weeks left before I can move out. It's taking every ounce of patience I have to keep from going off on my roommate.

Anyways... I haven't been here in a while, so here's the Reader's Digest version of anything interesting I've been through:

1) On October 1st, my first niece was born.
2) By the end of August, my (honorary) niece will be born.
3) My roommate kind of neglected to tell me until I casually asked in January that she wanted to move out early to save money and wanted me to get a roommate to take over her share of the lease. Ha.
4) I'm moving into a one-bedroom apartment in Ellicott City in July.
5) I've had tendonitis in my right wrist for 2 months now, and it's not healing quickly because I'm chronically right-handed.
6) I put up my own online comic to shut up my art demons enough for me to get back to fanfic. (Click my name if you care. At the very least, you can check out my Sluggy Freelance fanart submission.)

Okay, that's about it.

GB> Very, very interesting article...

Warpmind> EEE! G2001 photos!

Christine> <<pff, standardized tests are rubbish ... and dangerous, too. Results are more apt to hurt kids than help them. Bad news. >> Hear, hear. My mother and stepfather both work in public education, so I've gotten an earful about that blasted MSPAP (Maryland's excuse for a standardized test). Apparently, they're doing away with that test now, but there's no guarantee the new test will be better.

DPH> <<The time has come to take drastic action - I'm emailing the writer of Dilbert complaining about Yahoo delivering my daily Dilbert to the Bulk Email folder. >> *sigh* You know, I've received maybe 7 updates from the "Broken Saints" newsletter I subscribed to, and every time they dump it into Bulk Mail I e-mail Yahoo and complain. Doesn't seem to work. You'd think they'd take a cue from Hotmail and let you specify mailing lists you've voluntarily subscribed to.

**MAJOR BUFFY SPOILERS!!**

This is probably one of the few times I'm glad I've had the end of an episode spoiled for me ahead of time so I could brace myself. Aside from my absolute fury at how they've built up Tara's character only to pull a stunt like this(I know why they did it, but I'm still pissed), it had a few moments. I did like Willow and Tara's cuddling in the beginning (and Dawn's giddy reaction had me cracking up). I still don't know what to think about what's going on with Xander and Anya, though. I still think having him leave her at the altar was really out of character (he should have learned better by now, and that fake "vision of the future" was such a lame reason for him to walk out).

The way they handled Spike and Buffy... actually, the way the relationship's been handled most of the season, I kind of saw that coming. I'll be interested to see just what happens to Spike by the end of the season.

I originally planned to just tape the episode while getting ready to watch "24," but instead I found myself glued to the TV set. And while I'm still pissed about the ending, I do hope Willow succeeds in going after Warren. The little sociopath deserves to suffer.

Mooncat> <<If she kills the entire cast except for Anya, and walks off at the end into a gorgeous blood red sunset dressed in black and scarlet ready to wreck havok and vengence upon those who deserve it (like Warren), I will stand up and CHEER!!! >> I don't know about offing the entire cast, but I'm going to be watching next week to see what she does to the little bastard. I've hated Warren since the beginning of the season.

**END BUFFY SPOILERS**

**24 SPOILERS**

Gunjack> <<24 - Missed half of it. The senator's wife is... slimey. >> Depending on which half, you have no idea. I still can't believe she actually told the campaign manager to start flirting with Palmer. I'm sort of hoping that something nasty will happen to her in the next few episodes.

**END 24 SPOILERS**

Jan re: why we teach Math> Hehehe... yes, that is a very wise man. I'm going to copy and save that story. :)

Lastly, all, just wondering: Anyone planning to come down to Williamsburg a day or two early for G2001? I'm driving down Thursday morn and wanted to know if anyone else would be around since my driving buddy bailed out at the last minute. I can probably make the drive from B-more okay on my own, but it'd be nice if someone else was planning on coming early and hitting Busch Gardens before the con.

And to end this rambling little post, a friend of mine sent out an (unfinished) little Dr. Seuss-inspired poem entitled "The Worker's Mantra." Just wanted to share what she had of it:

I will not beat up my boss-man.
I will not do it, Sam my man.

I will not put him in a box
I will not seal it up with locks
I will not drop him down a hole
frequented by a rabid mole.
I will not tie him to a grate,
or toss him into a deep lake.
I will not beat up my boss-man.
I will not do it, Sam my man.

I will not whack him with a pan
or toss him into my trashcan
I will not punch him in the face
I will not douse him with my mace
I will not key up his big car,
will not ex-lax his powerbar,
or take his shiny new golf clubs...

(That's as far as she got.)
Mandolin
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 10:34:02 AM
IP: 199.173.224.20

Saw Spider-man on Friday, and I loved it.

*** SPOILERS ***

Let's start with the characters.

Spider-man - Tobey Maguire is Peter Parker. I honestly could not see anyone else in the role. He was just like he was in the comic book, I didn't feel like I was watching a different character at all.

Green Goblin - Willem Dafoe did a great job in this role. But I would expect nothing less from an actor of his calubur. He was great in "The Last Temptation of Christ" and "Platoon". It was fun watching him go crazy on screen, as Norman Osborn and the Green Goblin. He pulled it off really well. There's this one scene where he's holding these kitchen knives and he looks crazier there than in all his scenes as the Goblin. Hell, I didn't even hate the costume.

(So, anyone think Norman is really dead? Or do you think they'll pull what he did in the comics where the formula that gave him his enhanced strength, stamina and insanity also provided him with an enhanced healing factor, and he awoke in the morgue, killed a drifter, placed him in his casket and left for Europe? Of course that would mean bringing in that whole clone travesty.)

Mary Jane - This movie had a lot of eye-candy. 50% of it was the action sequences and the special effects, the rest was Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. She looks better with red hair than with her natural blonde hair. But she was a compelling character also.

Though I think the one thing that could have made this movie even better was to have Gwen Stacy in the movie, cause the way her death led to the final battle with the Green Goblin in the comic book, I think would have made this great movie even better. And having heard rumors that

The rest of the characters were well done, I'm looking forward to seeing Harry become the next Green Goblin, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make him the Hobgoblin, since I doubt they'll want to use the same villain twice, and it'd save them the trouble of inventing a new backstory for a character, especially one that it took fifteen years for them to finally unmask.

Overall, I'd say it's the best comic book movie yet.

*** END SPOILERS ***

I saw the new trailer for Episode II also. Gods, that looks so terrible. And after the travesty that is Episode I, it truly frightens me that Lucas has enough mindless peons that are still going to camp outside the theatre to get opening day tickets. Yes, i do want this movie to bomb. I want it to bomb so badly that he'll reconsider puking up Episode III.

Dictator Test: Mao
Collosal Death Robot Test: Megatron (as if there was any doubt)
Evil Test: I'm 90% evil, and apparantly I got this only because no one is 100% evil. Told Satan to step back cause there's a new ruler of Hell.

You know, ruling Hell was always one of my dream jobs.

Where's this criminal test?

JOSH> <<Dubya's a dictator? Who knew?>> Nah, he's too dumb to be a dictator <<I'm "kinda evil".>> You dissapoint me, but you have been going soft lately ;)

GB> <<I still like the one about the protestor setting himself on fire when he burns an American flag ;) I would love to see that happen in a palce like Berkely where their whole Humanities school goes up in smoke with all teh hippies inside. Plus the Ohio National Guard making Kent State a good place to qualify for their weapons with live targets>> Yeah, let's put a few of those Catholic priests in there, not all of them, just the ones molesting children. <<Lyndon Johnson did the next sweep, and he was not a benevolent kind-hearted man like Roosevelt>> Ah yes, benevolent and kind, he really displayed that when he sent a ship full of Jews escaping the Holocaust back to Germany... and he knew what was going on. He damn well knew.

SPACEBABIE> <<You can be one of my Mara warriors>> Damn, I need a Miko. And some warriors. <<and all the other single guys in the CR>> Aw, I'm touched ;) <<All in all this movie kicked ass.>> It really did. <<Your part of my Mara seven, your all special>> Who are these seven?

IMPFAC> <> Pardon me for asking, but what possesses you to find and post these topics? <<CHALLENGE: THREE POINTS TO THE FIRST PERSON (who is not my boyfriend, close friend, or to whom I‘ve already revealed the answer) WHO CAN CORRECTLY GUESS WHAT I HAVE NAMED MY CAR!?>> Umm, Ku Klux Kar? That is a joke, seriously ;)

DAPHNE> <<So... in the all-star animated bible (old and new testemants, apocrypha, heck even book of morman), which celebs do the voices? change our suggestions, whatever.>> Tony Jay as the Devil. It's the role he was born to play.

MOONCAT> <<That was a shoddy way to make Spike a 'villian'>> Spike's a villain again? Sweet!
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 09:22:06 AM
IP: 216.179.1.88

Hmm. I'm feeling an irrational urge to beat a head into a concrette wall, but I'm not really sure why. Chalk this one up to "Val's a freak".

Lain'll be online two weeks from thursday, if all goes well. I'm dancin the mambo of joy, but y'all can feel free to scream in horror. In addition, I'm registered for Akon along with the Skinny Man (I'll be the suit with the silenced beretta, he'll be Master Roshi with.... hair). And, um, I made a buttload of money working scutt jobs. Thank goodness that's done with. Two finals down, another one tomorrow, thursday, and friday. My brother graduates on saturday, and gets married in... june, I believe. And if I spend one more week with my current roommate, I WILL claw my eyes out and become the Devil's willing servant.

And such is life.

Josh - Ever played a little game called "escape velocity"? Mac-only, sweetest space sim ever made? Me and your good twin are currently modding the HECK out of it.

Buffy - Missed it. Excuse me while I curse.

24 - Missed half of it. The senator's wife is... slimey.

Anything else?

Ummm... Gside's balls are sweaty, Spacebabie is... a fiesty little filly? And Jan's bein repititious. Oh, and I have FAT SACKS OF CASH MONEY. FAT SACKS. Just thought I'd emphasize that. Between Sarah McLachlan and the oft-misconstrued bulge of a healthy wallet in the pocket, my soul is holisticly soothed.

In other news, MetalDemon is FAR more of a radical fundamentalist Christian than I am. I find this amusing. He also, as it happens, is the living enbodiment of the "wise, all-knowing gay person" stereotype. This I find downright frightening.

Actors for Biblical Characters...

God - Clint Eastwood
Adam - Name Unknown (Lead Singer of Nickleback)
Eve - Jessica Alba
The Serpent - Jack Nicholson
Cain - Charles Manson
Abel - Woody Allen
Noah - Mel Brooks
Shem - Matt Damon
Ham - Leonardo Dicaprio
Japheth - Ben Affleck
Abraham - Colin Powell
Sarah - Martha Stewart
Lot - Ralph Nader
Lot's Daughters - Britney Spears, Christina Agulara
Ishmael - Yassir Arafat
Isaac - David Letterman
Jacob - Jackie Chan
Essau - The Rock
Joseph - Adam Sandler
Pharoah - Bob Dole
Moses - Jesse Jackson
Aaron - Ernest P. Worral
The Golden Calf - Oprah
Joshua - Steven Tyler
Caleb - Mick Jagger
Rahab - Pamela Anderson
Achen - Peewee Herman
Samson - "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan
Samuel - Samuel L Jackson
King Saul - Al Pacino
Jonathan - Hugh Grant
Goliath - Arnold Schwarzine... Schwarxinigg... Arnie.
Young David - Freddy Prinze Jr.
King David - Bill Clinton
Bathsheba - Courtney Love
Uriah - Kurt Cobain
Nathan the Prophet - Ross Perot
Amnon - Bill Gates
Tamar - Steve Jobs
Absalom - Janet Reno
Joab - Saddam Hussien
Solomon - Hugh Heffner
Solomon's Wives - All Playmates from inception to the present.
Ahab - Joe Peschi
Jezebel - Elizibeth Hurley
Elijah - Silent Bob
Elisha - Jay
Kings of Israel - Rebuplican members of Congress
Kings of Judah - Democratic Members of Congress

And I'm feeling far less stressed now. Whee!
Gunjack "Evil Jesus" Valentine
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 03:45:12 AM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Got a pretty bad raping today. Never had a good hang on ECL.

Imzadi> <<A hammer can become a ranged weapon very easily>>: Only for a one time use.
<<Because I left my cannon in my other pants>>: Which is why I want to study hidden weapons.
<<Why? We live here>>: You never know when another ice age is coming.
<<Because she likes him better than you>>: Man.
<<Probably too far>>: I thought as much.
<<You're gonna breed!?>>: He's going to try.
<>: It could open you up to thinking in different ways. I know things have gotten odd since I've started reading raw hentai. But that could be because of the subject matter, not the direction.
<<So in addition to being hairy, you're sweaty too>>: Only for part of the year.
<<THat's my digital camera. Or is it a tazer...?>>: I'd rather have a tazer, but you can't take pictures of catgirls with a tazer. You could take the catgrils themselves, but that gets frowned upon.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 01:39:22 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

Back from Wally World with cases of bottled water to glug, yay! I actually don't mind tap, but bottled is just more convenient.

Beat the hail that just came down moments after I pulled into my garage. Oh but I love a good solid attached garage.

*purrrrrrs*

JAN - As you said, this is tornado alley, so of course when I went looking for a house, I chose a good solid one with a submerged lower level. Nothing against mobile houses, but when I went house hunting I had very specific things in mind which included a place I could go to in case of bad weather.

I love my house *purrsssss* The only thing that would make it better is if it were located a little more rurally, on more land. But then again I love having my cable and other city amenities, so it's a trade off.

If only I didn't live between two "perfect" neighbors. One neighbor is out in his yard constantly, mows twice a week, and his lawn looks picture perfect. The other neighbor has professional landscapers come in to care for their lawn. I just have my little self, and an aversion to lawn mowers. *^_^* No fancy trees or garden beds. I consider it a triumph to keep my lawn neatly trimmed.

okay, 'nuff procrastinating, better get back to writing.

later
MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 01:31:57 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

*Sneaks in really late because he can't sleep to ask question totally unrelated to current topic of conversation*

Is there a good place on the Net to buy Gargoyles episodes (like they have for many Japanese anime) or should I just get them off Ebay? I tried to tape them off Toon Disney but they've skipped episodes and the edits are really getting annoying. If anyone knows a good seller on Ebay with high quality tapes I'd appreciate knowing it.

Thanks in advance and good luck on finals!
Jonathan Schmidt - [Fiore17@flash.net]
Wednesday, May 8, 2002 12:37:31 AM
IP: 64.48.234.98

As DPH pointed out - intelligence does not equate knowledge. IQ tests are poor gauges on one's intelligence and knowledge. Unfortunately, it's the *best* we have in order to make some type of determination of one's intelligence. A minimum of 2 tests should be given at different periods of time and under different conditions and then the scores averaged. I think the averaged score will be the closest to being accurate.
Even though one may have a high IQ score, that doesn't mean they have common sense. My older brother is "genius" level IQ and can't change a tire.

*sighs* The mailbox bombings have replaced the Anthrax scare. The phones rang off the desks today with people frightened to open their mailboxes. (Rural area = mailboxes on a post) With the newest one in Amarillo, it appears that this idiot is traveling in a wide circle of states... Oklahoma, Kansas or Missouri might be next on his "route".

Bad storms around here the past few days/nights. So far, we seem to be on the edge of the really bad storms. Thank goodness because if the alarms go off here in town, I have to go to the office and help with the phones.

MC> You are in tornado alley *nods* When I lived in Liberal, KS - we were constantly under tornado watch and warnings during this time of the year (at least it seemed to be constant) Are you in a mobile home or a regular type house? I'd be scared hairless if I were in a mobile home and live where you do *nods*

Daphne and GB> hmmm I have never thought of putting actors with Bible people... let me think on that *nods*

I received news from some teacher friends from my old school and apparently the evil principal is FINALLY retiring after this year. yeah, I'm sure that she just couldn't stand being there without my presence.. ;) The witch should have retired 10 years ago - maybe my health wouldn't have taken such a dive from the stress. Ohwell, at least I ended up here in God's country :)

I have tomorrow off *happy feet dance* It's Truman's Birthday and in Missouri, that's a state holiday :) hehe
One of the inmates asked me today who Truman was.

Fire Storm> awww man, that sucks about the housing. I hope that ya'll find a house soon :)

Today is National Teacher's Day.

In honor of teachers....

Why do we teach Math?

(Written by a very wise man...)

I was riding to work yesterday when I observed a female driver cut right in front of a pickup truck, causing him to have to drive on to the shoulder to avoid hitting her. This evidently angered the driver enough that he hung his arm out his window and "flipped" the woman off.

"Man, that guy is stupid," I thought to myself. I ALWAYS smile nicely and wave in a sheepish manner whenever a female does anything to me in traffic, and here's why:

I drive 48 miles each way every day to work, that's 96 miles each day. Of these, 16 miles each way is bumper-to-bumper. Most of the bumper-to-bumper is on an 8 lane highway. There's 7 cars every 40 feet for 32 miles. That works out to be 982 cars every mile, or 31,424 cars. Even though the rest of the 32 miles is not bumper to bumper, I figure I pass at least another 4000 cars.

That brings the number to something like 36,000 cars I pass every day. Statistically, half of these are driven by females, that's 18,000. In any given group of females 1 in 28 has PMS. That's 642.

According to Cosmopolitan, 70% describe their love life as dissatisfying or unrewarding. That's 449.

According to the National Institute of Health, 22% of all females have seriously considered suicide or homicide. That's 98. And 34% describe men as their biggest problem. That's 33.

According to the National Rifle Association 5% of all females carry weapons and this number is increasing. That means that EVERY SINGLE DAY, I drive past at least one female that has a lousy love life, thinks men are her biggest problem, has seriously considered suicide or homicide, has PMS, and is armed.

Flip one off?... I think not

;)
Jan
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 11:46:42 PM
IP: 12.110.237.7

Well, if last week was the sleepless week, this week is all too full of it. I think we are not in cold territory anymore, but now into allergies. The rag weed is in bloom and my only symptom now is congestion. Changed antihistimines, but all of them tend to knock me out for about a half hour to an hour out of every 4 to 6 hours. I hope this new one won't do it quite as much as the last one. I like to nap, but this is ridiculous. And time consuming!

Rain and Tornados. Gotta love the midwest. Least it got a lot of the pollen out of the air.

*** BUFFY SPOILERS ***

RANT WARNING

Well, I'm pissed off. That was a shoddy way to make Spike a 'villian' and here I was giving Joss W. kudos for daring to let the bad boy villian make good (or as good as he could) and have a shot at the heroine. feh. Bloody wanker. If Xander winds up as Buffy's true love I shall lose all respect.

This episode was the only Buffy episode I dislike through and through. It was one contrivance piled upon contrivance.

We all knew Willow was going to go mega-evil, but we get half a season of silly pointless blah blah blah to try and throw us off the scent so it will come as a surprise. Well, it's not a surpise. The only surprise is that Joss thought all that wanking about in the last half of the season would make the obvious suddenly unexpected. The whole klepto Dawn plot was lame. The Willow magic addict afterschool special storyline was partially lame (it had a few redeeming moments) the Buffy as a working girl was cute for an episode, but afterwards became majorly lame. And the one plotline I really liked, Spike and Buffy somehow building a dark but sexy romance... gets utterly obliterated in one ultra stupid overly orchestracted wanking date rape scene.

The only good thing so far, is that we finally will get our Dark Willow. Been waiting for that since this season began. If she kills the entire cast except for Anya, and walks off at the end into a gorgeous blood red sunset dressed in black and scarlet ready to wreck havok and vengence upon those who deserve it (like Warren), I will stand up and CHEER!!!

End Rant

End Buffy Spoilers

**********

Oh, lets see, think I'll run to Wal-mart for some bottled water, then get back to doing some writing.

later
Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 10:38:08 PM
IP: 65.30.27.68

Greetings;

Not much to say tonight:

Josh: I would agree with you on the fluctuation being attributed to my maturation, but these tests were taken over a 16-month period when I was 12-13. Turbulent times I know, but it is a bit much.

DPH: Good observation! What is intelligence? Is it knowledge, something whose context fluctuates depending on the situation? Is it wisdom, something that varies by culture? Or is it something more? I sure as hell don't know but I can be sure that standardized testing is only reading one part of the equation.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 09:55:25 PM
IP: 24.43.225.56

°°°°°Delurks, holding back tears°°°

Why did he do that!?
Buffy, she can hold her own..... but Tara...
OMG!!!
Tara..., this isn't right. I can't wait to see what Willow does!

BTW, hello everyone! remember me, i'm the old guy!
JacKaL - [likE you would Email mE]
KabuL, AfghAnistAn
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 09:33:48 PM
IP: 205.188.197.176

Saw Spider-Man today, was pretty good as far as action ans story goes. The only thing I twitched everytime they did it was for some reason when he is swinging the computer graphics show through and it looks really phoney, but nobody is perfect.
Get to try and fix my car... take two. Some how I did not do something right and the vent fan motor is turning the wrong way. I think they painted the colors wrongor someone did because even I can tell the difference between an orange and black wire.

I'm also only rated as kinda evil. :P

Just have to get to friday then a bit of a break and back to work. Then (insert huge grin here) a small vacation which includes A-kon. Two finals left so I must study and rest.

"Orange to orange, black to black and it's still ass-backwards, $%$@-ing Ford!"

Gee wonder who said this ;)
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 07:41:36 PM
IP: 129.120.238.136

Bad news for all those who believe I'm sane: I retook thespark.com's personality test and came with yet another personality type: GURU. I was already an accountant, dreamer, politician, and perfomer. Sometimes, I think I would prefer to leave the politician in charge to get accomplished.

Imzadi - <if you build something idiot proof, god just builds a better idiot> If you really want my answer, here it is: An idiot proof computer would perform only 1 task: identifying idiots to keep them from buying other computers.

The time has come to take drastic action - I'm emailing the writer of Dilbert complaining about Yahoo delivering my daily Dilbert to the Bulk Email folder. I'm sure 10,000+ people complaining would get Yahoo's attention.

**WARNING INCOME QUOTE from TREND MICRO WEEKLY VIRUS REPORT**
2. A Hacker's Tool - BKDR_INTRUZZO.A (Low Risk)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
This backdoor hacking tool is comprised of a server Component and a client component. The server component installs itself on the target computer, which enables the hacker, using the client component, to gain access to the target computer.

Upon execution, the server component copies itself into the Windows System directory. The filename it copies itself to varies. It also adds itself to the registry so that its dropped file executes upon Windows startup. The server component runs this backdoor hacking tool in silent mode. Upon first execution it displays a message box and a walking man. The server component also sends an email message containing information about the open port number and Internet Protocol (IP) address of the infected system to the hacker.

Hackers use the client component to gain full access to the system running the server component. The client component enables hackers to execute any or all of the following on a system running the server component:

- Open/Close CD-ROM tray
- Chat with the infected user
- PWL Reader: open and read PWL files on server
- Shutdown the computer
- Control the mouse
- Taskman
- Print a message
- Take a screen capture
- Obtain System info
- Write on the desktop
**END QUOTE from TREND MICRO WEEKLY VIRUS REPORT**

Every wonder spam is so dangerous? If you think about it, spam is a breach of national security. Anyone want to try to figure out the reasoning behind that?

Yggdrasil <2. Any intelligence test does not in fact rate intelligence, as "intelligence" is defined by the culture that administers the test. What we dub intelligence may be meaningless in other cultures.> That's tricky defining intelligence as opposed to defining knowledge. Jeopardy only measures knowledge NOT intelligence.

Daphne - <Evil test> If I come out evil, we're all doomed. Great, here's my result: "Good news — you're just a little evil, which means you're very human. But it's time to make a decision: Either shut out that damn conscience and be really bad, or start living life like a saint." Great, I don't want evil knocking on my doorstep.

I had a good visit to the chiropractor today. Next Monday, I get a reevaluation so that is going to be fun. It looks like it might be a while before I get to the point of having once a month visits.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 07:29:18 PM
IP: 204.94.193.54

GB> oh come one, I was joking. I even put the winky-eye thing to showI was kidding. ;P
metaldemon
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 04:32:42 PM
IP: 24.219.165.75

#### BUFFY ALERT #####

I got the chance to see this week's Buffy episode early. They sent the show early down the sattelite feed so that the station censors could preview it.

Anyway, not to throw out any spoilers, I will say is this is the offical All-Hell-Breaks-Loose moment for the season. You defintely want to watch it.

Skippy The Klingon - [skippy_the_klingon@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 01:58:18 PM
IP: 209.245.243.95

Another wonderful albeit boring day, but at least the weather is getting warmer. Well,some people will brighten up my day no matter how the rest of my day is.

Imzadi> <<CUZ ITS TIME TO DIE!>> LOL!! Your comment realy makes me laugh :)

<<Then you wouldn't rule anything, because I'd kill you.>> I just wanted him to be my dictator. I doubt an American can or should ever be Pope. I'm nowhere near as great as he is.

Christine> The tests may not be too relevant in the long run, but I still am turned on by a woman with a 130+ IQ and a 1500 on her SATs :)

Metaldemon> Be nice :p even to Imzadi

Daphne> Well, I guess I am not subtle. You forgive me :) ::big hugs:: I tested kinda evil, but you keep me in line ::evil hugs::

I think I tested as Critic. Not much else to say. Oh well... ::hugs:: I can always hug you :)

Not much else to post about ::hugs Daphne again::

Bye Bye

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 01:36:33 PM
IP: 62.104.212.95

Keynote rocked. Lot of cool stuff, but I can't tell you about it because I'm under NDA. But lets say that the mac is due for some major overhauls this year.

I also attened "Mac OS X: State of the Union", "Development Tools Overview", and "Intro to Cocoa". The first was cool, the second was only interesting for the first half. The third I missed most of because I was frantically IMing my mother, trying to find a place to live for the summer. I lost the spot at the townhouse because they wanted to rent to someone who was gonna be there longer than just the summer. I have another option...I just have to hope its still open.

I'm "kinda evil".

Gside: <<My finals start tuesday>>: I'm glad mine don't...I'd miss them. <<A melee weapon over such distance? I fear you not>>: A hammer can become a ranged weapon very easily. <<Why use a melee weapon when you could get them before they can reach you?>>: Because I left my cannon in my other pants. <<You need to develop some elemental resistance then>>: Why? We live here. <<At least I got better off than Josh>>: Not saying much, dude. <<Why does Warps get to be genius boy>>: Because she likes him better than you. <<maybe some would want to sleep with me. Or am I going too far?>>: Probably too far.

Impfac: <<for that day, I want the following>>: As if we're gonna deliver. <<THREE POINTS TO THE FIRST PERSON>>: If it's "Boomer", I'm gonna be freaked out. <<Only if people take quotes out of context to distort their original meaning and intent>>: Right, and that would NEVER happen in this room...right? <<the scores of whites and blacks have been converging over time>>: Does that mean that blacks are getting smarter or that whites are getting stupider? And which has more interesting ramifications? <<

Spacebabie: <<By 11:am I have been awake for a few hours>>: I don't think I could sleep with you. <<You drink things stirred>>: You can't make chocolate milk shaken unless you use powder, which just doesn't cut it. <<You look like Jason Cheney>>: Who?

Warpmind: <<With a little luck, my grandson would become a quite decent swordsman, in time>>: You're gonna breed!? <>: You could just an idiot savant.

Green Baron: <<sneaks up on Daphne from behind>>: Dude, sick. Even I don't try that stuff. <<hope you slept well>>: CUZ ITS TIME TO DIE! <<sans Coast Guard>>: They don't count. <<it may take France a whole three minutes to surrender>>: Is that before or after our jets get there? <<I am elected by a College of my peers, live in a palace, kill no one, I promote love and tolerance, writes bestselling books, likes to wear white robes and big hats, and has no physical power over anyone>>: Then you wouldn't rule anything, because I'd kill you. <<He sadi that Jewish people are not samrter, just better educated, because they wriet from left to right and right to left>>: I really don't think it makes any difference.

DPH: <>: No, I don't think either platform is idiot proof entirely. Macs are a bit better, but if you build something idiot proof, god just builds a better idiot 8-)

Bill: E-bay.

Metaldemon: <<why do we give a sh!t?>>: You probably don't. I'm having a good time and investing in my future.

Fire Storm: Good luck with the house stuff.

Yggdrasil: <<Over the course of my life I have had three of these tests. My scores were 92, 168, 138. So I ranged from below average to genius. What does this say?>>: It says that intelligence quotient varies with age. This makes sense since its calculated by dividing your mental age by your physical age.

Gside: <>: So in addition to being hairy, you're sweaty too. <<Imzadi, just what the heck are you holding?>>: Good question. THat's my digital camera. Or is it a tazer...?

Christine: <<reults are more apt to hurt kids than help them>>: And then I got into college.

Alright, its late. Sessions early tomorrow.

It has organs!
-Christine Powers

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 03:30:26 AM
IP: 216.2.30.8

Metaldemon <<<-my roomate and I watching his cheesy "Discovering Psychology" videos in class.>>>

HA! I’ve been forced to watch the entire series TWICE! Once for high school psych, and again for college psych.

IQ> Suppose it is concretely, absolutely, 100% GUARANTEED that every black person has an IQ 7-15 points lower than whites. So what? To me, that is a very small amount.

But obviously, anyone with a brain realizes blacks are nearly identical to whites. Race simply IS NOT a factor in IQ, IMHO.

My sister-who is black-isn’t the brightest person in the world-she didn’t want to talk about her SAT scores... but she’s got a full scholarship to Drexel U. Yet my brother, who probably inherited his fathers genius level IQ, washed out of college. Both my parents have an IQ well above 150-but my grades are around a 3.0 right now. IQ means little-work is what is important.

...but I do accept that on the whole, blacks do have a lower IQ. Are tens of millions of IQ tests over decades upon decades wrong? They are not absolutely accurate, true, but they do have validity. To say that so much empirical data can just be tossed out the window is silly. Far broader truths have been discovered from infinitely smaller samples. But from the trends of increasing IQ’s scores among blacks in the last decades, it is safe to say any disparity is poverty and so called ‘testing bias,’ (really just crap education and poverty to me), not genetics.

Patrick> No flame wars, I promise ;) I’ve changed-I’ll do my absolute BEST to keep ego OUT of my posts from now on, regardless. *polish’s halo*

impfac - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 01:29:44 AM
IP: 169.226.230.45

Just popping in real quick like because I was supposed to leave for work a few minutes ago, to announce that the May issue of Sabledrake Magazine is now posted! Click or go to http://sabledrake.com/2002/0205cover.htm ; feedback is greatly appreciated by our contributors. Either e-mail them or direct your comments to me and I'll forward them along.

IQ tests > pff, standardized tests are rubbish ... and dangerous, too. Results are more apt to hurt kids than help them. Bad news.

Okay, gotta run. Ciao!
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, May 7, 2002 12:59:38 AM
IP: 67.226.47.237

Impfac> <<WHO CAN CORRECTLY GUESS WHAT I HAVE NAMED MY CAR!?>>: The HB Injection. Sorry, joke from GTA3 where there's a BF Injection.

Spacebabie> <<By 11:am I have been awake for a few hours>>: Freak.
<<::I gave you a boost:: skill in glaives,halberds,crossbows,mallets,and of course guns..all kinds>>: Crossbows and guns. Thank you. Though mallets have their uses and blades on poles are fun.
<<Lets see how you fare down here in 97 degree temp..heat index at 102 with high humidity>>: It does get that hot in Jersey. And I wear jeans year round.
<<I?ll give you Chiriko?s hairstyle and Warpy gets Hothorri?s long silky mane>>: That's all right, I have enough hair on my own. Besides, Warps likes the baldness.

Warpmind> <<Well, the best photos from G'01 have now been duly scanned and uploaded>>: Hey, Imzadi, just what the heck are you holding?
<<An AI would, most likely, pick and choose between the more efficient military strategies; they'd NOT philosophise over the history of those strategies>>: But isn't the efficiency of strategies determined by how well they worked?
<<my grades stink almost as bad as Albert Einstein's>>: I thought you were out. And I need it for DigE.
<<You're making me a bishonen>>: I've mastered the art of long hair while maintaining unbishonenness. Just add 70 pounds and make sure all your hair is long. And I think a braid helps.

Fire Storm> <<The *2* houses we REALLY liked got sold to someone other than us!>>: Better luck with the next one.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, May 6, 2002 11:55:28 PM
IP: 165.230.240.115

Greetings;

IMPFAC: Blacks and I.Q, well let's just say I have no faith in IQ tests. Over the course of my life I have had three of these tests. My scores were 92, 168, 138. So I ranged from below average to genius. What does this say?

1. Yes there are many people living in my head (If I could only get Mr. 168 out more often)

2. Any intelligence test does not in fact rate intelligence, as "intelligence" is defined by the culture that administers the test. What we dub intelligence may be meaningless in other cultures.

3. Anyone can have a bad day.

I personally don't believe that any one racial group is more or less capable of scoring on an IQ test, but it may simply come down to what is being tested is not considered important at the time.

Fire Storm: 2 houses...Ouch. Well best of luck to you, the housing market's hot right now. Don't worry just take that rage, bury it deep and burn down the houses after they get settled :-)...did I say that?

On to the surveys:
1. I'm eeeevil
2. I'm Comrade Stalin
3. I'm Sane
4. I'm not addicted to my computer...just.
5. I'm hostile towards porn.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Monday, May 6, 2002 11:31:18 PM
IP: 24.43.225.56

Ok, this sucks now.
The *2* houses we REALLY liked got sold to someone other than us!
One was in a bidding war,
One was sold HOURS before my bid!

This SUCKS!

Oh, and my PC is now in storage, so I am using LM's comp.

...

I just want this all over with.

Peace, love...
Ah, screw it.
Kill them ALL!
Fire Storm
Monday, May 6, 2002 07:59:32 PM
IP: 216.254.103.139

<<Phillip Zimbardo>> You know, this is the last place I would expect to see this guy's name. I don't like him; he pollutes my Psychology with his cheesy jokes and stupid ghotee. I know he's really important and infamous, blah blah blah, I just don't ever want to come back in here and read his name!!! 8D

Josh> <<I'M AT WWDC AND YOU'RE NOT!!!>> And why do we give a sh!t? ;P

"Why don't you tell them your REAL plot, ZIMBARDO!!!"
-my roomate and I watching his cheesy "Discovering Psychology" vidoes in class.
metaldemon
Monday, May 6, 2002 07:46:46 PM
IP: 129.120.86.72

[surprised at Green Thomas's sudden attentions] whoa! you're not subtle at all, are you? [should probably be pissed, but is grinning]

I'm not evil at all.
yeah, yeah, no one's shocked.
I'm also a Secret Agent -- emode's ultimate personality test rocks, for those in the test-taking mood.

God bless!
Daphne - [<--are you evil?]
Monday, May 6, 2002 07:09:54 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

Impfac > Be careful how you quote statistics lest you give the impression of wishing to start a flame war. The key word in this case is AVERAGE test scores. It's careless and misleading to take a statistical average and use it to make a generalized statement about a segment of the population.

On average, giraffes are tall. But that doesn't mean that ALL giraffes are tall, and you never will see a short one.
Patrick Toman
Monday, May 6, 2002 06:06:17 PM
IP: 66.72.195.13

Toys> EBAY!

Josh> Impfac: <>: Oh boy. This is gonna get ugly.>>>

Only if people take quotes out of context to distort their original meaning and intent.

SB> <>> Was this on your to do list “Open mouth and insert foot.”

Richard J. Gerrig and Philip Zimbardo, “Psychology and life, sixteenth edition,” 2002:

“Let’s return now to the point at which genetic analysis becomes controversial: test score differences between African Americans and white Americans. Although several decades ago, the gap was 15 IQ points, the scores of whites and blacks have been converging over time, so that on a number of contemporary indicators the gat is between 7 and ten points.”

The question is WHY, not if. I say it is manly our culture, society, and education system, not predetermination. Some blame the tests. Possible, but only part of the problem-and a reflection of the above. I’m not going to pretend IQ differences aren’t fact-although I still disagree with Rushton.

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 6, 2002 04:01:35 PM
IP: 169.226.230.45

I would like to know where to buy gorgoyles toys
Bill - [bilsears@hotmail.com]
TX, USA
Monday, May 6, 2002 02:39:54 PM
IP: 207.91.132.230

Warpmind - <All spies are expendable. But I'd rather you just, y'know, ask openly instead of wasting potentially useful intelligence (an oxymoron though it may be) operatives, eh?> Hmm. Next time, I'll send my personal hologram to spy. Don't worry, I keep lots of backups of my personal hologram.

Dictator Test - I'm Mao. :-(

Everything above this point was written on Sunday.

Damn, I'm mad. I picked up Fajita Bell Peppers instead of Haberno Peppers. Now, I have to hope I can find some haberno peppers.

I am still wanting to say there was a conspiracy involving 9-11-2001. Who wants to bet that the Illuminati didn't know about it ahead of time?

Imzadi - <I'll try to help make it more idiot-proof...that should be interesting.> And I thought only Windows computers have problems being idiot proof.

Warpmind - I'll have to reprogram my spies to naturally look for conspiracies and plots waiting to be hatched on their own. That way it can't be traced back towards me.

DPH
AR, USA
Monday, May 6, 2002 02:36:21 PM
IP: 204.94.193.28

The Green Baron walks in and first sneaks up on Daphne from behind to give her a big hug.

I hope you slept well. Luckily I had payday activities (i.e. afternoon off) so I got some sleep in this afternoon.

On to other good news. Thank sto the current undeclared war status the US is in, I get a free ribbon and so does everyone in the DOD. I get a national service ribbon. I should thank Bill Clinton for the lax security that caused 9/11 and me getting a ribbon. Bin Laden shoudl love that; his attacks not only unite America, but get all her military (sans Coast Guard) a free ribbon :)

France re-elected Chiraq. Reminds me of the Louisiana 1991 election, except Edwin Edwards has a much higher IQ than Chiraq.

To pull an SJ here, I wanted LePenn elected, because it would make France a laughingstock and hopefully we can use LePenn's visit with Hussein as an aexcuse to invade France when we take on Iraq. With LePenn and hsi nationalsim, it may take France a whole three minutes to surrender :)

Impfac> I thought you'd be happy with Hitler. Well, if its an absolute ruler..I'd like choices like...I am elected by a College of my peers, live in a palace, kill no one, I promote love and tolerance, writes bestselling books, likes to wear white robes and big hats, and has no physical power over anyone.

Daphne> ::more hugs:: No takers, yet. Maybe we just need to give them time ::hugs::

Imzadi> <<Who wants sensible women? I want women that will sleep with me.>> I forget that, me I coudl only sleep with a sensible woman, my bad. Of course, if you look for women, you may have to check before you do anything :D

Warpmind the Savage Viking Raider> Where do you get the evil anime test?

Hyperion> Well, I'm surprised Franklin Roosevelt wasn't in the dictator group. The Evil Criminal thing is biased...I played around and got Pinochet, Henry Kissinger, and Harry S. Truman. I wonder if they have slots for Rigoberta Menchu (fraudulently won a Nobel Peace Prize), Che Guevera, Charles DeGaulle(he's responsible for Nam), and F. Lee Bailey :)

I do admit I like that Pinochet, Margaret Thatcher's bosom buddy addendum ;)

<<Do you think this guy ever heard of checks and balances anyway?>> Consider the Presidency over teh alst 70 years..The Executive Branch has had too much power since FDR's benevolent reign...Lyndon Johnson did the next sweep, and he was not a benevolent kind-hearted man like Roosevelt. Bush is nowhere near as awful as Johnson.

Spacebabie> Well, Impfac enjoys controversy. I don't see it as for one balck Americans who are not Afdrican immigrants have European blood. Thso eof full African descent score higher...any IQ difference may be 1 or 2 points, not as much as 20.

It reminds me of thsi argument by a speaker whow as Jewsih. He sadi that Jewish people are not samrter, just better educated, because they wriet from left to right and right to left. He was Jewish too, and someone without that faith, but with the bloodline, is unlikely to have that ability.

Now, I depart ::gives Daphne another hug for the road::

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, Germany
Monday, May 6, 2002 01:23:55 PM
IP: 62.104.212.78

*Warpmind strides in, pointing smugly at his name link.*
Well, the best photos from G'01 have now been duly scanned and uploaded. Clicking my name will take you straight to the spot. Unless I've typo'd the address, of course.

Josh: True, but with a finely balanced blade, I'd have excellent motivation for the training. With a little luck, my grandson would become a quite decent swordsman, in time... ;)

Gside: An AI would, most likely, pick and choose between the more efficient military strategies; they'd NOT philosophise over the history of those strategies. Oh, and I don't see why I shouldn't get to be the genius boy. I mean, I'm *already* an intuitive mathematician, and my grades stink almost as bad as Albert Einstein's. };)

Spacebabie: I get a silky long mane...? *Blinkity* Um... You're making me a bishonen? But... I happen to enjoy *shaving* my head! *Blinkityblinkityblinkity* Please reconsider that, hmmm?

Well, that's about it. Now, if you care to click my name to see the best G'01 snapshots I have... In my humble opinion, of course...
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Monday, May 6, 2002 01:23:15 PM
IP: 193.217.209.147

Saw Spiderman yesterday
SPOILERS
______________________________________________________________________
Despite the fact the spider is different and he can shoot webbing from his own wrist the movie is very close to the comic.
After getting his powers Peter trys wrestling. Lets the guy who robbed the wrestling ring escape only to find Uncle Ben having his car hijacked and shot. Spiderman goes after the carjacker to find out it was the same theif.
Harry dated MJ before She fell for Peter.
MJ’s dad is an ass
Eddie Brock and Dr Conners were mentioned in passing.
The movie was great. I wish they showed more of J.J.J. but I guess we will in the sequel
All in all this movie kicked ass.

IMPFAQ<<>> Was this on your to do list “Open mouth and insert foot.”

Warpmind<<<Um... who is Chiriko?>>>He is the 13 year old member of the Suzako seven in Fushigi Yugi.

Stephen>>>Cute

Josh<<>>By 11:am I have been awake for a few hours..<<<He's having trouble learning how to use his shiny new iMac.>>>Typical the older generation needs help from the younger.<<>>Yes inbetween swigs of Mike’s hard lemon.<<>>There hasn’t been any hippy style protests at my school like at yours.<<<Damn! And I thought I was special>>>Your part of my Mara seven, your all special.<<<Why not?>>>You drink things stirred.<<<It's not a pretty picture.>>>I saw your pic. You look like Jason Cheney you would look good in a tux.

Gside<<<Why use a melee weapon when you could get them before they can reach you?>>>Because not only do you have superio knowledge in swords, but also::I gave you a boost:: skill in glaives,halberds,crossbows,mallets,and of course guns..all kinds. <<<You need to develop some elemental resistance then.>>>Lets see how you fare down here in 97 degree temp..heat index at 102 with high humidity. <<<Why does Warps get to be genius boy.>>>I’ll give you Chiriko’s hairstyle and Warpy gets Hothorri’s long silky mane.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Monday, May 6, 2002 12:56:30 PM
IP: 67.25.53.32

I'M AT WWDC AND YOU'RE NOT!!!

Now if I could only program...well, that's why I'm here.
Josh
Monday, May 6, 2002 11:38:48 AM
IP: 216.2.29.81

So in an odd moment of quiet here I decide to take the dictator test...what do I get for my trouble?
George W Bush.
Yes.
I know.
You read it right. GEORGE #$# W. #$*# BUSH!

Now, lets look at the author's rationale for including him:
"Wait, I'm not a dictator!" you cry! Well lets look at the check list: Unelected? Check! Use wars and xenophobia to boost popularity? Check! Total control of the media so they never say a bad word against you? Check! Kill scores of innocent people to get what you want? Check! Do anything to get your hands on oil? Check! Inhumane treatment of prisoners? Check! Face it, you're a dictator, and no amount of gloss will hide that fact… or the fact you're a borderline retard who looks like a monkey"

Now, I'm sure that any clear-thinking individual here can easily point out the flaws in every one of those points...except for maybe the "looks like a monkey" part, but ignoring that...
I'm the ruler of the worlds last superpower, dammit! Not a "tin-pot" dictator! Tin-pot dictators do not have the ability to vaporize sub-continents, nor destablize regimes halfway around the world!
I am no dictator, I AM GOD HERE!

Do you think this guy ever heard of checks and balances anyway?

Sigh.

As for that article that was posted: heeheehee; I like. I'll put it next to the old Canadian editorial on my wall.
Ah, the EU... never really got over that whole "loss of all power and influence near the end of the 18th century did they?

*********************
Fountain of youth? We've got enough damned youth. How about a fountain of SMARTS?!
Hyperion - [hyperion@justice.com]
Monday, May 6, 2002 11:11:29 AM
IP: 155.94.62.252

Just an aside: Spiderman made ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN MILLION DOLLARS THIS WEEKEND! Damn! AND it is in the imdb list of top 250 movies already-not an easy feat! I'm going to go see it tomorrow. I guess making back that 138 million won't be so hard after all... whew! Spiderman, Changing Lanes, Episode Two, Austin Powers III... I've got so much planned for this summer!

Sorry, I've been up late NOT doing my psychology supplement, which is finished, but unable to sleep-thanks to all those handy dandy study aids I took to get my work done... *sighs* Just two more weeks of his...

On the bright side, my birthday is coming up on the eighth! And for that day, I want the following: An evening with the Buick, to put on those little final touches that will get her back on the road: the parts for said evening; the freedom to drive my beloved wherever and however I see fit, for one long night and, last, but not least: A copy of the Stephen King movie, CHRISTINE.

CHALLENGE: THREE POINTS TO THE FIRST PERSON (who is not my boyfriend, close friend, or to whom I‘ve already revealed the answer) WHO CAN CORRECTLY GUESS WHAT I HAVE NAMED MY CAR!?

The correct poster gets a very, very special prize.

IMPFAC

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 6, 2002 04:38:34 AM
IP: 169.226.230.45

Imzadi> <<I'd rather you focused on the ugly and the stupid>>: But some of those must be found, whereas the nosy ones go looking for the plots on their own.
<<So? I'm not done with labs, and I've got finals in less than 2 weeks>>: My finals start tuesday.
<<Dude, I don't confuse porn with ANYTHING>>: Right, because anything can be porn to the right person.
<<With a hammer, if necessary>>: A melee weapon over such distance? I fear you not.
<<The Joker?>>: No, he seems to like purple.
<<Ooh, good call!>>: And you call yourself an engineer, CivE.

Spacebabie> <<Gives him Hotohori?s sword fighting ability>>: Melee weapon? Man. Why use a melee weapon when you could get them before they can reach you?
<<50 degrees is freezing to us>>: You need to develop some elemental resistance then.
<>: At least I got better off than Josh.
<<Gives him Chiriko?s powers>>: Why does Warps get to be genius boy. I've got exams upon me. Literally.
Warpmind> <<androids do NOT philosophise over military strategies>>: So what do your androids do with military strategy?
<<and made in the old way, the *right* way... Nothing more than that>>: Ah. I thought you might be putting odd tricks in it. Like an electrified blade (which could probably be easily jury rigged) or that tamperproofing from Blade.
<<The blade *must* be signed>>: But of course. You know, I think I'd like blacksmithing if I could learn it.
<<who is Chiriko?>>: It's from Fushigi Yuugi. Haven't caught it myself, so I couldn't tell you more than what my brief little searching found for me.

Imzadi> <<Apparently he accidentally renamed his hard drive "time.gov" (I'm not gonna ask how that happened)>>: I'd guess he was trying to browse to Time Of Day, and didn't know where he should put the address.
<<Who wants sensible women? I want women that will sleep with me>>: And maybe some would want to sleep with me. Or am I going too far?

And now for something a bit mystical. Koalla Su's Transformation from Love Hina. Kinda reminds me of the Zeal theme from CT.

Na zdororv'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Monday, May 6, 2002 01:02:10 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

At 6AM the various peoples staying in my room got up and drove down to San Jose for the first day of WWDC. I'm gonna miss it because I need to meet with my project group. Oh well, its just a bunch of stuff for the students anyway. The good stuff starts tomorrow, and I'm driving down tonight.

I was rudely awakened at 11AM by...a tech support call. From my entire family, who's at my grandpa's house. He's having trouble learning how to use his shiny new iMac. Apparently he accidentally renamed his hard drive "time.gov" (I'm not gonna ask how that happened). Well, ease of use can only get you so far. I think he may just be too old to start on this stuff. When I go down to LA at the end of the month, I'll try to help make it more idiot-proof...that should be interesting.

Met with my group, and we're almost done with our project. Good thing, since I won't be here this week. At least my share is done.

replies

Jaden: <<WEEKENDS ARE TOO SHORT!>>: So true. I could use an extra day or two. <>: I think you are a week behind. The next one is a new one, if I remember correctly.

Green Baron: <>: So would I! <<while in ballet, few men and you get to touch lots of women as performance>>: You have fun. <<More sensible women>>: Who wants sensible women? I want women that will sleep with me. <<Be careful, she may be in Los Angeles soon>>: Too bad I won't be. <<Maybe she's just good and horny>>: Maybe?!

Spacebabie: <<they’re all bloody wankers>>: I think that's the point. <>: I bet you did. <<once in a while I like to whip up something yummy>>: No comment. <<Everyone should attend classes here in Florida>>: I think I'd agree with that. <<50 degrees is freezing to us>>: Nah, 45. After Berkeley, I can tolerate 50. <<and all the other single guys in the CR>>: Damn! And I thought I was special. <<only on that one test>>: Yeah sure. <<you will never be bond>>: Why not? <<although I would like to see you in a tux>>: It's not a pretty picture. <<Well give me an e-mail and I’ll reply>>: You had your chance. <<Yup!>>: You're in Florida. There must be an attractive guy in that state you want to sleep with and can convince to do so (i.e. a straight male).

Ravyn: <>: What does Coyote think of it?

Gunjack: <<clickie, eh?>>: AH! She's rubbing off!

Impfac: <>: Oh boy. This is gonna get ugly.

Warpmind: <<customized *perfectly* to my physique (or lack thereof)>>: Look, a finely balanced blade isn't gonna change the fact that you aren't trained in its use. <<I'll believe that when I see it>>: It's a loose definition, really up for debate from person to person.

Okay I know its early and you love my time...but I have to drive to San Jose for WWDC! YAY!

Do you realize what I could do with a strand of Superman's hair? Yeah, you could make a toupee that flies.
-Some guy, "Superman IV"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, May 6, 2002 12:57:30 AM
IP: 64.170.155.233

Greetings all...

Wanted to share a little creative daemon that popped in today:

Killer Klones (from Outer Space)

a filk by Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
(to the song "Killer Klowns from Outer Space" by The Dickies)

# # #

Darth Sidious said it, so long ago
"There's one born every minute!" That you know! (Killer Klones!)
Some made to fight, some made to fly
But these clones are gonna make you die!
All the people running when the armies come into their towns!
Everybody's running from the likes of the Killer Klones
From Outer Space!
Killer Klones, from Outer Space! (Yoda!)

Jedi Master's say "Let the search begin
Seek out the Sith or the Republic's done!" (Killer Klones!)
See vacant eyes in their armored face
Bringing genocide to all the alien race!
Time to take a ride on a nightmare merry-go-round!
You'll be dead on arrival from the likes of the Killer Klones
From Outer Space!
Killer Klones, from Outer Space!

The fate of the Force is in your hands.
Call on Obi-Wan Kenobi, fighting with his lightsaber!
These Sith are diabolical bozos!

(Yoda!) / BRIDGE

Oh look around, what can this be?
What's to become of humanity? (Killer Klones!)
From Old Coruscant to Naboo Main Square
Imperial Klones are EVERYWHERE!
If you've ever wondered why the populations going down
Blame it all on the plunder from the likes of the Killer Klones
From Outer Space!
Killer Klones, from Outer Space

Killer Klones, from Outer Space!

###

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Sunday, May 5, 2002 10:04:09 PM
IP: 65.35.132.45

sorry about the double-post
Daphne
Sunday, May 5, 2002 06:09:43 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

Hey, all.
Green Baron and I were talking religion (always dangerous)and we started talking about what God sounds like. some classic (James earl Jones), some bizarre (fran drescher), some funny (alex trebex as God and sean connery as satan), which brought us to angels (samuel L jackson as gabriel and harrison ford as michael) and apostels (matt damon and ben affleck as james and john? duvall and deniro as peter and paul?)
So... in the all-star animated bible (old and new testemants, apocrypha, heck even book of morman), which celebs do the voices? change our suggestions, whatever.

just an idea for some friendly discussion.

God bless!

Daphne
Sunday, May 5, 2002 06:08:59 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

*Warpmind strolls in, looking somewhat... discontent.*
Just watched "Class of '99". That movie... stank. Oh, sure, there were some nice explosions, and some decent violence... but those robots did NOT act like androids. More like slightly sociopathic humans; androids do NOT philosophise over military strategies. :p

DPH: I know. All spies are expendable. But I'd rather you just, y'know, ask openly instead of wasting potentially useful intelligence (an oxymoron though it may be) operatives, eh?

Gside: Specially forged, as in customized *perfectly* to my physique (or lack thereof), and made in the old way, the *right* way... Nothing more than that. (Of course, with the proper engraving on the blade, too... The blade *must* be signed...)

Josh: It's the chrome dome? Drat... busted. ;) Oh, and as for you beign a pervert... I'll believe that when I see it. On second thought, I think it might be healthier to just take your word for it. };)

Spacebabie: Um... who is Chiriko? Õõ Sounds familiar, but... I haven't got a clue...

Well, that about concludes the post. *Sits down to stalk the internet until the next issue of Sabledrake Magazine is up...*
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmind@hotmail.com]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, May 5, 2002 04:57:13 PM
IP: 193.217.142.133

Dictator test> Hitler! //:-)

“Well done you spiteful little shit!”

GB>>>Rushton has some very controversial views and it sounds suspect. I know that Carribean blacks have higher average scores than whites on standardized tests, while in the UK limeys score ahead of Carribean blacks, but Africans in the UK outdo the limeys.>>>

Well, here it is according to Rushton (since this is publish in “Taking Sides: Clashing on Controversial Issues,” and I don’t think they would publish a know liar, I presume he is academically valid):

“The global literature on cognitive ability was reviewed by Lynn (1991). Caucasoids in North America (NA), Europe, and Australasia had mean IQ’s of around 100. Mongoloids, measured in NA and in Pacific Rim countries, had higher means, in the 101 to 111 range. Africans living south of the Sahara, African Americans, and African Caribbean's (including those leaving in the UK) had mean IQs from 70 to 90.” He goes on to say that several studies (which he lists) have show the tests are valid.

I do believe blacks have a lower IQ than whites. That is simple fact. But I don’t believe it is anything predetermined. IQ, like any trait, has genetic components, but environment is a major factor too. With far higher rates of poverty and illegitimacy among blacks, I don’t think they have as nurturing an environment as most whites (not to mention the wonderful inner city schools), which would lead to less cognitive development, and a lower IQ.

I suppose predetermination is POSSIBLE, but I seriously doubt it. Even if it is, it would be to such a small extent that it isn’t enough to view blacks as much different in ability from whites.

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Sunday, May 5, 2002 04:48:45 PM
IP: 169.226.230.45

This was too cute not to share. clickie, eh?
Gunjack Valentine
Sunday, May 5, 2002 04:08:14 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

Loved the article, GB. ;)

Dictator Test> Woo hoo! I am Chairman Mao ... that scares even *me.* ;)
Ravyn
Sunday, May 5, 2002 12:18:56 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Wow I’m Gigantor.

Dic test: I’m Tony Blair
Feh they’re all bloody wankers.
B-movie star test: Regis Philbin F@&%!
Drunk Test: I’m the “I’m soo Drunk” Drunk
Criminal Test: I’m Elizabeth Bathory
Affliction: I’m Gonorrhea
Inner Child Test: NEWT Perverse Ignored Functioning Child
Lazy Test: I’m 30 percent Lazy
The last two are Spark Tests.
I created question for the Pop Quiz at Rum and Monkey.
http://rumandmonkey.com/popquiz/?display=5774
Not only did I float around the pool but I also did some back strokes as well.

Going to see spiderman today.

Niahmgold<<<I'm just checking in again, nothing big.>>>Hey we missed you.<<<It seems everyone's close to finishing up their semesters>>>Already done.<<<Which doesn't bode well for me, since I rarely feel like cooking ;) >>>Same here, but once in a while I like to whip up something yummy.<<<Thank you for that comic image of the week! ::LOL::>>>Your welcome

DPH.<<<Almost everybody is taking finals or will be taking finals very soon.>>> Everyone should attend classes here in Florida.

Gside<<<Good news for me.>>>You can be one of my Mara warriors
.:::Gives him Hotohori’s sword fighting ability:::<<<Oh that's nothing. I've wintered in New Hampshire. Lost my glasses once in the snow.>>>:P Josh and I live in Sunny states. 50 degrees is freezing to us. <<<I'd think that would be worse.>>>it is.

Josh>>> I grant you Tamahome‘s fist fighting powers.<<ohmygoshJoshslept14hourswokefeelswiredand Weeeeeee!<<<That explains your behavior towards me.>>>and all the other single guys in the CR.<<<Some porn stars might. Or male strippers.>>>and they are nicely oiled.<<<Woohoo! My drug of choice.>>>I prefere it in gel cap form to avoid the foul taste.<<<That would be a very dangerous thing in this CR>>>Only if the hentai tentacles eats it.<<<Parents dig me.>>>Except yours?<<>>only on that one test.<<<No, stirred is fine.>>>you will never be bond, although I would like to see you in a tux.<<<Do I really want to be petted by you? This from a girl who won't even answer my email. >>>Well give me an e-mail and I’ll reply.<<<Damnit, I hate that guy.>>>So does everyone who has at least half a brain <<<What the F*CK are rickets?>>>It’s something that affects the bones I think.

Warpmind>>> Gives him Chiriko’s powers<<<Makes'em more evenly treated.>>>Excellent.

Green Baron<<<Maybe she's just good and horny :) >>>Yup!

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, May 5, 2002 10:54:22 AM
IP: 67.25.49.102

Dictator Test: http://www.poisonedminds.com/tests/dic/
B-List Test: http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/tests/celebrity/

=)
Jan
Sunday, May 5, 2002 09:40:25 AM
IP: 12.110.236.150

Quiz? - Where is the link to the Criminal / Dictator / B-movie quiz? Repost would be most appreciated *^_^*

thanks
Mooncat
Mooncat
Sunday, May 5, 2002 09:17:43 AM
IP: 65.30.27.68

I may have my issues and criticisms with America, especially whne it comes to religious issues, but this article reminds me of why America is the Greatest Nation, because of who we have to compete with.

Warning, if you are European, especially French, you may be offended. If you are American, read with pride.
Green Baron - [<-- Click here unless you're French]
Hanau
Sunday, May 5, 2002 07:30:15 AM
IP: 62.104.212.74

Another Sunday. Well, at least not a bloody Sunday. Damnn cold one. 15 months left of Germany, then warmer weather. Farthest north fo my choices is Ft Leonardwood Mo, which is not as bad as Germany when it comes to weather. Plus its a TDA assignmnet with no field crap.

Mooncat> Well, I just thought the think was funny, because of the reaction, especially since the artist was Chineese. I guess being upset by it would be the same as a bunch of Jewish people being offedned by Mel Brooks, or Catholics being offended by Mel Brooks. I loved that Inquisition song and dance. You can't Torquemada nothing :)

When I read the article I also just got Not Another Teen Movie with the wannabe who made me laugh.

I want to see some pics of Delilah. I'll get soem pics of my mother's kitties when I meet them.

Greg X> I agree that he doesn't fit the stereotype of crazed Palestinian gunmen. They usually get killed after only killing 2-5 people and when making explosives, blow themselves up before killing any targets :)

I still like the one about the protestor setting himself on fire when he burns an American flag ;) I would love to see that happen in a palce like Berkely where their whole Humanities school goes up in smoke with all teh hippies inside. Plus the Ohio National Guard making Kent State a good place to qualify for their weapons with live targets :)

Sobotka> I'm also surprsied by the audacity of the fundamentalists in South Africa which is a largely Christian nation. Then again, there are cells,like in England and France. In France, a bunch of synagouges got torched and Le Penn actually criticized it (odd since LePen is anti-semitic). I have an article by Ann Coulter about France.

DPH> Well, ends can justify the means on Friday. May 3 was Machiavelli's birthday :)

Imzadi> <> Football involves a lot of grabass and locker room antics, while in ballet, few men and you get to touch lots of women as performance. More sensible women find the male ballet dancer more appealing to the grunting jock who tackles men and snaps towels.

<<well, he isn't stupid. >> But it makes for a pretty crappy dad act. My sister still won't speak to him. He lost his next job so I feel sorry for him. Ironically the network of buddies he has amassed will be able to get me a job but not him. Well, it helps that I'll be a veteran with a Business degree and clerical experience.

<<Both.>> That sucks. Mine was a pretty bad father growing up, but when I lived with him, I had a lot more freedom and he knew I wouldn't do anything bad. I also typed up some letters for him, because he is even slower typing than me, but he was spoiled by years of having a secretary.

<<Yes, I do. But why would you want to go to my heart? The action is in my pants.>> Be careful, she may be in Los Angeles soon. Well, you may like that :)

<<And I'm a lesbian>> Well, you do like women :)

<> Maybe she's just good and horny :)

Gside> <<But it's already somewhat ironic that Douglas is a man's name (actually it's the last name of a woman, but it's more common as a first name).>> The campuses reminds me of the schools all the Scooby Doo characters are based on. I know Daphne is Mt HolyOak; I forget the others.

Jannie> My life is a lot less stressful now that I have interent. Life is good again.

Test results:

Criminal: Elziabeth Bathory
Dictator: Mao, and I wanted Pinochet
B-Movie: Pauly Shore. Well he also went to Basic at Ft Sill :)

I want to see the other tests.

Impfac> Now I remember you on the Adult Website. You were Josh and there was a huge gun discussion. I think your last name was Goldstein or osmething like that.

Rushton has some very controversial views and it sounds suspect. I know that Carribean blacks have higher average scores than whites on standardized tests, while in the UK limeys score ahead of Carribean blacks, but Africans in the UK outdo the limeys.

I wonder if Rushton is a WASP.

Jewel> I'm glad to see you posting. With you, me, and Shadowrider, we are the Axis posters :)

Imzadi> <<What the F*CK are rickets?>> If I remember correctly, its a disease that involves malnutrition like scurvy. Not exactly a big threat these days, but with the average Americna diet, malnutrition can affect rich and poor alike, soon.

Jaden> I'll see Scooby Doo when it comes out and think about Christine the whole time :)

Gree Baron - [greenbaron]
Hanau
Sunday, May 5, 2002 07:04:07 AM
IP: 62.104.212.74

I know I've said this about a million times already but it's still true...WEEKENDS ARE TOO SHORT!!!!!

Imzadi-I just watched the one with the cadet in it. You know the one with the attacking balls of light? I hope that the next one will be a new one.

I saw the preview for MIB II and Scobby Doo and I laughed, which means that I'm going to have to see both of them. They'd better be good or ELSE!!!!

Christine- Well let's see what my cool pirate name is, the name that strikes fear into the hearts of men is (taking test): Iron Davy Read, a tough but well educated prirate. Oy!

Well gotta go. Talking with Green Baron on IM.
Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, May 5, 2002 03:59:45 AM
IP: 172.195.216.204

Food shopping today, so we don't have to do it when we drag our tired asses back from WorldWide Developer's Conference. And moving stuff around so I can clear my week's workload. I finished my last assignment and my lab report, so I should be good to go...if I can convince someone to drop off my homework for me.

I'm not a developer...think anyone will notice?

Anyway, I hung out today with a few guys that are going with us to WWDC, everyone very excited about the conference. Apple will demo (and hopefully release) OS X 10.2, and there's sessions all day every day about lots of cool stuff. There's a schedule at developer.apple.com/wwdc2002, or you can see my planned schedule by clicking on my name. Lots of technical sounding stuff. Maybe if I'm lucky I'll learn how to code 8-)

B-movie star: Pauly Shore. Damnit, I hate that guy.
Type of Drunk: Angry Drunk. There's a surprise. That explains why I don't drink that much.
And if I were a horrible affliction I'd be: rickets. What the F*CK are rickets?

Warpmind: <<I'm specifically training them to unleash their fury on excessively nosy people>>: I'd rather you focused on the ugly and the stupid. <<I'm Robocop>>: It's the chrome dome that gives you away. <<basically, you're in bed, playing with you p>>: As if that's different from normal. My laptop is named Seawolf. So I sit in bed and play with my submersible ;-) <<why do you interpret everything I say as kinky?>>: Because I'm a pervert. <<Is it really more than meets the eye?>>: No, its just a laptop.

Jan: <<George Bush (suprise, suprise>>: Dubya's a dictator? Who knew? <>: My roommate and I have defined that anything in the freezer is edible, provided we thaw it and it has been there less than 2 months. <<cool emblem thingy :) for a Mac>>: ::rolls eyes:: <<take a day off and play hookie!>>: This isn't a day. This is a whole week. <<Live on the wild side for once>>: I know not this "wild side" you speak of.

Impfac: <<It infuriates me that laptops often don’t include disk drives>>: they take up space, they're slow, and they're small. In an age where nearly everyone has CD burning or an ethernet port, they're useless. Just network your two computers together. <<It’s simply not convenient to link to the net>>: For any file that fits on a floppy, you should just email it to yourself. <<For the price, they’re just not worth it. The interface was just wasn’t nearly as good as Windows>>: I can see where you're coming from. It can be really frustrating to a newbie switching from windows. I know it was for me at first. But I stuck with it for a couple months...and I'd never go back. Personally, the interface appeals to me far more than Windows, which frustrated me for 10 years before I bought a mac. The interface isn't enough by itself, though. I have an easier time adding peripherals (they just *work* the first time), and I can run nearly any program under the sun in one of 10 different OS's/environments. Except for some windows games, but I really couldn't care less. I also really feel that macs do some things a lot better than windows. Basic stuff like drag and drop just works so much better on the mac. Exporting between programs, burning cd's, even connecting to ISP's seems easier for me than setting it up on my dad's PC's. It's an ease of use that is really unparalleled on Windows that I don't think anyone just sitting down at a mac for 5 minutes can see. <<that single button mouse drove me nuts>>: On laptops, I don't care, because laptops with two mouse buttons drive me nuts. Neither is ever big enough to hit, or I accidentally hit one when I mean to hit the other, or hit none of them. For the towers...I bought another mouse. It was a devastating blow to my finances, too... ;-) <<Guess it’s that thing I have about being spat on>>: Sadly, I came in with my real name...so they knew who to maul when I got there. <<

Patrick: <<not until they make a CD-R/W drive that's directly addressable without a bunch of "create CD layout / burn CD" hoop jumping>>: Its not the drive, its the software. And OS X handles that, treats blank CD's just like floppies.

Mooncat: << You love the ladies. Either that or you just like cats and bad music>>: LOL! I didn't know pets were an indication of sexual preference in females.

Gside: <<remember, I'm in this for five years>>: So? I'm not done with labs, and I've got finals in less than 2 weeks. <>: Dude, I don't confuse porn with ANYTHING. <<how are you going to enforce that a continent away?>>: With a hammer, if necessary. <<Take me away, ha ha ho ho he he ha ha. To the funny farm, where I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats>>: The Joker? <<my piont was that you could still heat many things with EM, and still throw cars around>>: Ooh, good call! <<Time for porn>>: In this apartment, its always time for porn. Speaking of which, Saturday night is hardcore night on the rabbit channel! <>: Not as rare as the reverse.

Okay people, tired.

It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea.
-Robert Anton Wilson

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [@kicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, May 5, 2002 03:42:17 AM
IP: 64.170.155.233

Wrong color.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, May 5, 2002 02:24:46 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

Jewel> <>: I doubt it would. It's a reference to the game/anime Kanon and the cat (Piro) who appears in it.

Gavin> <<have you seen the Starballz yet?>>: Nor have I seen the original. But I've heard of it.

Imzadi> <>: But remember, I'm in this for five years.
<<That, my friend, explains your level of sexual experience>>: It does, doesn't it?
<<Perhaps, but does that really matter?>>: A bit. They wouldn't be angry about my culture conquering the world.
<<What if they're wobbling?>>: I think you're confusing porn with weebles. Which is understandable.
<>: And how are you going to enforce that a continent away?
<<probably because they wouldn't know what to do with me>>: Oh, they'd know what to do with me. Take me away, ha ha ho ho he he ha ha. To the funny farm, where I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats.
<<Fire will still heat things>>: But my piont was that you could still heat many things with EM, and still throw cars around.
<<Talk to the big man about that one>>: I had nothing to do with the trees.
<>: Deal with it, fly boy.
<<No annoying roommate! Woohoo!>>: Time for porn!
<<Most of us prefer eating out anyway>>: I had heard that it was actually rather rare.
<>: Just let me break a couple of your bones, then you'll be all good.
<<How does finals solve erectile disfunction?>>: The lack of them does in some cases.

Warpmind> <<Ahh, my plots have hatched>>: Ooh, pretty colors.
<<Speaking of, where *is* that overgrown smurf, anyway?>>: Probably planning a very nice death for DC and his ilk.
<<Oh, you stay FAR away from my photos, thankyouverymuch>>: Aww.
<<I'd *really really really* like a specially-forged katana>>: Specially forged in what way?

Ravyn> <<Who wants to come take my Circuits final for me?>>: I'll be having a bad enough time with DigE. Just remember currents into a node sum to zero, and voltages around a loop sum to zero.

Warpmind> <<No, there's not a camera there, ya oogwahs>>: Aww.
Sarge! How fare you?

Impfac> <<genetic predispositions to Schitzophrenia>>: There's a group at Rutgers working on that.
<< Phillip Rushton feels that blacks are genetically predetermined to have a lower IQ than whites>>: As does Fran Lawrence, president of Rutgers.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Sunday, May 5, 2002 02:24:11 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

Impfac > No apologies necessary on the debates in the other comment room. And sorry for any confusion with the pen name. Kathy and I have been working together as "Madame Destine" for a little over three years now, starting right after we retired from TGS. I'm glad you've enjoyed the stories. We started out focusing on Dominique and Andrea, but we found there were other stories we wanted to tell, too, and so a new ficverse was born. Some people have loved it and others have despised it, but we're still having fun with it so for now we're going to keep writing. :)

And the pysch paper... that was interesting. I thought for a moment there I'd stumbled into a debate that I'd missed the beginning of.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, May 4, 2002 11:25:18 PM
IP: 66.72.206.143

OOOPS!!!!!!!

*tries not to laugh*

I put my post into the spell checker, and forgot my psych project was there when I cut and pasted! BTW, I know it sucks, but that hasn’t been proofread, is repsonses to multiple topics, and does not reflect my opinion on anyway.

SORRY!!!!

It was supposed to be just this:

*blinks*

Okay. I always thought MD was her own person, working with Kathy. So, when I argued with MD all that time ago on the archive, which one of you was I arguing with? THAT'S what throws me.

You outed yourselves? Okay, but since I didn’t go to the gathering, I had no clue. Neither did my boyfriend, who was shocked when I told him my “discovery” (ah, fun with the IP tracer). I’ll be there this year, though ;-) But I have no plans on going around as IMPFAC anyway. Guess it’s that thing I have about being spat on *shrugs*

I still owe you guys an apology. Damn, now I’ve pissed off TWO people! I thought it was just one!

Yeah, you guys are by far my favorite authors. The story of D is just... perfect. Simply perfect. The only thing I DIDN’T like was the Lex/Delilah thing, since I felt it was awfully quick (and I was so held in suspense as to what would happen to poor Andrea, I didn’t want to bother reading anything not related to her).

I’m absolutely dying for more Andrea-Dominique, but you already know that. Make’em suffer, I say-part two was my fav ;)

Later,

IMPFAC

War is Peace
~
Freedom is Slavery
~
Ignorance is Strength

IMPFAC - [ingsoc]
Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:41:16 PM
IP: 169.226.230.45

Baumrind finds some very serious ethical problems with Milgram’s study of obedience which, in her opinion, outweigh the scientific benefits.
Foremost among her concerns was the researchers relative lack of concern for his participants well being during the experiment. He watched and reported without apparent concern the extreme stress reactions of his subjects, to which no subject should be exposed. Further, she feels that there was insufficient follow up after the experiment, and that those who participated did in fact suffer long term harm.
Finally, and most damning, Milgram would never be allowed to do such an experiment again today. That alone says that this study was indeed unethical.

The nature of many modern psychological experiments make it impossible to use human subjects. What, then, are scientists to do? The only possible answer is the use of animals for test subjects.
Baldwin notes that there have been many benefits derived from the use of animals (such as improved treatment of Alzheimer's, obesity, and anxiety, and improved communication with the severally retarded, for example) in controlled, scientific settings, enabling researches to develop and test new treatments without risking human lives and health. Because of the complexity of living organisms, it is impossible for computer models to take their place.
To derive the benefits psychology has given humanity thus far, we will have to continue using animals.

Jacobson and Christensen have serious problems with the CR report. First, they note that a retrospective report may not be accurate as time may have biased opinions. Second, they note that people with a more positive experience may have been more likely to respond-since there is no control, we cannot know. Further, they note that the questions asked are not sufficient to make meaningful determinations. Finally, only 54% reported being helped “a great deal,” which “...is not a very impressive figure from the standpoint of clinical significance.”
Overall, Jacobson and Christensen fell that the survey is unscientific, potentially biased, and that Seligman over played the good parts while downplaying it’s critical flaws.

I would never seek testing for Schizophrenia, or any other mental disorder, even though my family has an extensive history of crippling mental illness on both sides.
Although Trippitelli demonstrates that couples with bi-polar disorder prefer to seek testing, that is never-the-less not something I would want to know. Rather, I agree with Rimes and Salkovskis that for me personally the stress of a possible positive (which has relatively little significance) would outweigh the possible benefits. Also, I would hope I would realize to seek treatment on my own. Thus, I don’t view the argument of Trippitelli that earlier treatment could be sought as personally valid.
Ultimately, genetic predispositions to Schitzophrenia are not strong enough in my view to justify the potential worry of a test.

Fisher feels that love is a physical change in the brain. He notes that studies have found feelings associated with love may be related to an increase production of certain brain chemicals (such as oxytocin, and vasopressin), which have also been implicated in other intimate human bonding relationships. Furthermore, research suggests that other species might experience bonding. We know that about 3% of mammals mate for life.
Love is a reaction developed by evolution to keep two people together long enough to reproduce and rear their young. Once this task is complete, we become restless, and many seek new mates.
Thus, love is simply evolution.

Rosemond finds some problems with Straus’s conclusion. First, he notes that much of his research depends upon adults reporting being spanked as teenagers. However, people being spanked at this age probably have already developed anti-social behavior, which doesn’t support a spanking-anti-social behavior correlation. Also, Straus and those whom attack spanking don’t distinguish between beatings and spankings, and by lumping in the abused with the cuffed, the data is skewed. Further, Rosemond feels that Straus is ignoring the tens of millions of his generation that were spanked but did not develop violent behavior later in life. Finally, Straus takes spanking out of context and presents it as a parents entire disciplinary style. In reality, spanking combined with other forms of punishment has generally been shown effective.
Overall, Rosemond feels that Straus is skewing the data and using rhetoric to attack spanking on flimsy grounds while ignoring it’s benefits.

According to Centerwall, children are born with the ability and desire to mimic behavior, but not the ability to know what behavior to model. Thus, exposure to TV in the earliest childhood-when children believe what they are viewing is factual-shapes a worldview where violence and aggression are common and without consequence. Because such basic, primal views resurface during times of stress, stress is thus more likely to bring about a violent response.
Centerwall also notes that adults who watched a large amount of TV as children are more likely to be violent with their children, which leads to a continuous cycle.

Phillip Rushton feels that blacks are genetically predetermined to have a lower IQ than whites. This is reflected in the fact that blacks on the whole have smaller skulls and brains than whites as shown in a study of 1,261 skulls in post mortem, and that this can be positively correlated by about .1 to .4 to affect intelligence. Further, IQ tests show the consistent result that blacks have a mean IQ of 70-90, even when cultural bias can be positively ruled out.
Rushton concludes that blacks are pre-determined to have lower IQ and exhibit more violent behavior, but that such data is so un-PC it is suppressed by an dogmatic, egalitarian research community. He is thus challenging a biased, political system.

*blinks*

Okay. I always thought MD was her own person, working with Kathy. So, when I argued with MD all that time ago on the archive, which one of you was I arguing with? THAT'S what throws me.

You outed yourselves? Okay, but since I didn’t go to the gathering, I had no clue. Neither did my boyfriend, who was shocked when I told him my “discovery” (ah, fun with the IP tracer). I’ll be there this year, though ;-) But I have no plans on going around as IMPFAC anyway. Guess it’s that thing I have about being spat on *shrugs*

I still owe you guys an apology. Damn, now I’ve pissed off TWO people! I thought it was just one!

Yeah, you guys are by far my favorite authors. The story of D is just... perfect. Simply perfect. The only thing I DIDN’T like was the Lex/Delilah thing, since I felt it was awfully quick (and I was so held in suspense as to what would happen to poor Andrea, I didn’t want to bother reading anything not related to her).

I’m absolutely dying for more Andrea-Dominique, but you already know that. Make’em suffer, I say-part two was my fav ;)

Later,

IMPFAC

War is Peace
~
Freedom is Slavery
~
Ignorance is Strength

IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:38:26 PM
IP: 169.226.230.45

Hmm. *Starts to launch missiles to randomly attack members of the CR and changes his mind.*

IMPFAC - sorry, but I can't participate in that evil robot poll because . . . I just can't do any of those actions.

Imzadi - < Food that old can become sentient.> That's funny, because I don't remember any of the food struggling to stay inside.

Warpmind - < I'm specifically training them to unleash their fury on excessively nosy people.> That's funny because those spies are expendiable.

Jan - <As far as something you should know about eating all of that cheese... ummm.. E-Lax? ;)> It's a variant of the japeleno pie recipe. I was substituting Montery Jack/Colby Cheese for Cheddar Cheese.

Sorry, but I believe gargoyles fans shouldn't name their pets to honor the old Gargoyle way.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:30:26 PM
IP: 204.94.193.19

Yeaa! I'm first! Or... half? :D
IMPFAC - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:26:36 PM
IP: 169.226.230.45

11 and a half!

wait a second. . . .
SargeAbernathy
Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:24:00 PM
IP: 205.188.193.182

or not...
Daphne
Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:17:02 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

10th? wow, just made it.

Daphne
Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:16:35 PM
IP: 129.68.10.47

Ten!
Niamhgold
Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:16:15 PM
IP: 12.110.135.202

To quote Imzadi, Nein.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscatway, NJ
Saturday, May 4, 2002 09:44:48 PM
IP: 165.230.240.115

And the magic EIGHT ball says: "Outlook not so good"

Damn! These things know everything! I'll ask about Office next.
Josh
Saturday, May 4, 2002 09:38:43 PM
IP: 64.170.155.233

Top Ten?
Gunjack Valentine
Saturday, May 4, 2002 09:00:29 PM
IP: 192.133.129.4

actually 6th [(IP Address :-)]
Leo
Saturday, May 4, 2002 08:46:46 PM
IP: 172.157.223.234

7th or 8th
Leo
Saturday, May 4, 2002 08:45:01 PM
IP: 172.157.223.234

TOP 10, #6?
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, May 4, 2002 08:37:01 PM
IP: 204.94.193.19

SALLY FAHH.. <CLUMK> SALLY FAhhh... <CLUNK>

Sallh FORTH!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Saturday, May 4, 2002 08:17:06 PM
IP: 65.35.132.45

Third?
Ravyn and Coyote
Saturday, May 4, 2002 08:14:49 PM
IP: 150.135.180.226

Yippee!!!!

2nd? 3rd?
Jan
Saturday, May 4, 2002 08:03:22 PM
IP: 12.110.237.142

hehe, forgot about him ;P FIRST!!!!
metaldemon and impfac
Saturday, May 4, 2002 07:59:49 PM
IP: 129.120.86.59

First!!!
metaldemon
Saturday, May 4, 2002 07:59:09 PM
IP: 129.120.86.59