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d'uh... need a link... sorry about that.
Jan - [<---]
Sunday, September 15, 2002 04:50:32 PM
IP: 12.215.180.93

Makes you think twice before buying any type of expensive items from any auctions... O_o
Jan - [<---]
Sunday, September 15, 2002 04:50:12 PM
IP: 12.215.180.93

Lynati> Pleasure. I named them, using Greg's method of naming Zafiro, Turquesa, Obsidiana, and Jade by using colors either Portuguese, Latin, or Spanish and using alternative names for gems or something with jewels

Boys Names
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1.Adrian
2.Amaro
3.Duarte
4.Marcos
5.Marques
6.Rubens
7.Ignatius
8.Rufus
9.Aurelius
10.Flavian
11.Flavius
12.Abban
13.Alban
14.Albin
15.Albion
16.Carnelian
17.Cutter
18.Mica

Girls Name
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1.Adorna
2.Aqua
3.Jet (or Jetta, its unisex, either way is okay)
4.Margaret (yes, its latin for pearl)
5.Margarita (spanish for pearl)
6.Maye
7.Ruby
8.Rita
9.Perla
10.Galena
11.Ivory
12.Catarina
13.Elzira
14.Vidonia
15.Madeira

Welcome. ^_^
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Sunday, September 15, 2002 03:45:30 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Dph, Kathy: thank you. : )

Green Baron: *^_^* Gomen. I ned to remember to set my msn IM to “Away” when I leave the house... <nun joke> I know a different version of this joke, but you wouldn;t be allowed to post it in here.

Renee: <You got to me just in time. I was starting to singe around the edges. :) > Anytime. : ) <Flame-wars and all, I like what I've seen so far.> You know, I’d like to say “usually we aren’t this bad”, but unfortunately, we are. But we do have our good moments. Hope you stay. Oh, and another one in the fandom had a kid recently...Kimberly Towle had a daughter, Fiona, on August 14th...but I don’t think she typically posts in *this* comment room.

TV: I’ve actually completely stopped watching TV. It’s in the room away from my computer. The only reason I’m even sure I still have a TV is because that room is between my bedroom and my kitchen.

Josh: <Well don't keep us in suspense.> *blinks* Dude, I got a livejournal for the express purpose of not flooding this room with my meaningless drivel. If you care that much, say so, and I’ll email you a copy. And a “TPB” = “Trade paper back”, ie, a graphic novel. Combined issues of a comic in one larger book.

Aaron, fellow worshipper of the almighty fanfic goddess Cyrway: (Nemesis: “hey! I told you to knock that off!” Me: :P ) <<**The chibi-Horsemen move to Lynati’s side. Death looks upset, while the other three merely look bored. War is leading the chibi-beasts, Buck and Unruly Julie. Chibi-Frank, making his first, and probably only appearance, trails along after them.** There, see if that helps. >> it has already. We attacked at 3am this morning. I do not yet know what teh outcome will be. But as both Cybele and Pest are involved, chances are she’s going to knock him out using the cattle prod again.

Glasses: I’ve been wearing mine since 4th grade, and wearing a pair tinted dark grey since 10th grade. Without my glasses on, I can’t read the 12-point font on this screen at a distance of 18 inches. Blurrrryyyyyyyyyyyy.

Heather: <And let me tell you, the London clan is HUGE.> it is, isn’t it? <Have you even given names to the Guatamalan clan, you know, the hatchlings? Because I've gotten like 20 names that would be perfect.> You know, I haven’t named the Gautemalan hatchlings from 2010 in my universe yet, and there’s twenty of them...I don’t suppose I could see that name list?

Leo: <Ok, it's been more than a year but TNT is still showing the "9-11 sensitive" cut of "Back to the Future" - where Dr. Brown DOESN'T get shot (he's just suddenly lying down in the parking lot behind a truck) and the Lybian terrorists don't have a RPG(Rocket Powered Grenade launcher).> That bites. I loved that movie when I was little.

In other news, I successfully made eggs this morning.
ph34r |\/|y 1337 s34s0n-s4l7 s|<i11z.

“Your clan is a dysfunctional one.” – line from the results of an online test I took last night.
Lynati
Sunday, September 15, 2002 03:09:19 PM
IP: 66.140.84.228

Ok, it's been more than a year but TNT is still showing the "9-11 sensitive" cut of "Back to the Future" - where Dr. Brown DOESN'T get shot (he's just suddenly lying down in the parking lot behind a truck) and the Lybian terrorists don't have a RPG(Rocket Powered Grenade launcher).

Josh:<<Has anyone seen "In Memoriam">>Yes. It's currently the only 9-11 documentary that shows video footage of people jumping out of the towers. (sometimes I expected to hear "God I hope that wasn't a hostage", the camera angle was just so similar)

Spacebabie:<<Where is the wipe?>>I thought you only referred to him as "the Moron." <<Here is a riddle for ya.>>See the adult comment room for my alternate answer. <<Nope I sleep with my hands above the covers>>that makes it all the more fun.

Heather:<<Especially those "Sex Shows Around the Globes" things on HBO Zone or somehting>> When will they show "G-string Divas" again ? :)

(Need perverted thoughts to balance depressing 9-11 thoughts)

Leo
Sunday, September 15, 2002 02:11:24 PM
IP: 172.142.29.221

Replies

Josh and Greg> For the record, jizz krispies, it is not Dogma I take offense to. Its other movies like Priest, but Miramax is not the only guilty party in that regard. Dogma sprayed a seltzer bottle at Catholicism, that's all. The movie was mildly amusing, and in some ways Smith does Catholicism a compliment by including it. I do think it a double standard that in the PC world Catholics are okay to poke fun at, but its a big outrage if homosexuals are made fun of, or somebody whines about In Living Color being insensitive, or a joke about Arabic cab dirvers.

As for Catholic humor, I find Nuns on the Run funny, same with Monty Python, and Mel Brooks's Inquisition song and dance was perfect. So was Jews in Space, which was recycled into Men In Tights.

As for getting over it, I should if that was the case, like the Middle East needs to get over the Crusades. Some of those jizz crispies ragheads still hold a grudge. They ought tos hut up and get a job as a NY cab driver and cause terror by their driving habits :)

Kevin Smith> He can call himself a devout Catholic; Imzadi can claim he's an Orthodox Jew, and I can claim to be a womanizer, but we know better.

Here's a joke to emphasize:

A cab driber picks up a nun. She gets into the
cab, and the cab driver won't stop staring at her. She
asks him why he is staring and he replies, "I have a
question to ask you but I don't want to offend you."

She answers: "My dear son, you cannot offend me.
When you're as old as I am and have been a nun as long
as I have, you get a chance to see and hear just about
everything. I'm sure that there's nothing you could say
or ask that I would find offensive."

"Well, I've always had a fantasy to have a nun kiss me."
She responds, "Well, let's see what we can do
about that: #1, you have to be single and #2 you must
be a Catholic."

The cab driver is very excited and says, "Yes, I
am single and I'm Catholic too!"

The nun says, "OK, pull into the next alley."
He does and the nun fulfills his fantasy. But when
they get back on the road, the cab driver starts crying.
"My dear child." said the nun, "Why are you crying?"

"Forgive me sister, but I have sinned. I lied, I
must confess, I'm married and a I'm a Baptist."
The nun says, "That's OK, I am on the way to a
Halloween party, and my name is Kevin."

Kathy> So the US shouldn't be a bully. I say bully to that :)

Phire Kat> Hmmm....I think it would be more tactful to have just ignored Kaioto, but it was midlly amusing, even though Kaioto is a good friend.

Now, taht form fo diplomacy would be funny, like having a debate between Canada and teh US and having Jean Cretin giving George W. Bush the middle finger and having geroge W. Bush respond by singing, "Blame Canada".

That woudl eb on This Hour has 22 minutes which a certain E.M. Lee owes me :)

<<but don't go passing away too soon I think alot of ppl in here like you!>> With the exception of some, I hope you're right. Those who don't like me won't get me down. I will go down to Kosovo and pay gypsies to curse them :)...oops, I blew my master plan :)

GXB> <<Well, isn't that true?>> And was that why Golda Meier gave a eulogy at his funeral...to claim Pius was too silent is a fair criticism. That si debatable, but to beleive he was fond of Hitler is as wrong as people believing an Arab newspaper claiming the Israelis make matzha from the blood of Palestinain babies, but I bet people will believe that, and that will soon by the UN's next criticism of Israel.

Taleweaver> <<! It does two things, first it takes the focus off of corporate corruption, which would have featured prominately in campaigns.>> But the charges against Simon are flimsier than how Imzadi judges most points in my arguments, while I heard Davis has similar problems. I heard Gephardt will try to keep the Corruption an issue through the campiagn though I bet his party has equally received Corporate donors and Union help.

As for California, I want to see what they did with drawing the new Congressional Districts. With Burton as Senate President I wonder how many Republcians get stuck in bad districts for them.

Foxfire> Oh do tell me. I love a story about Bob Jones.

Ravyn> Yes, Ted Turner has caused much ill to TNT, plus he doanted a fortune to the UN, so it proves what a sorry excuse for an American he is. Well, he married a traitor. Now, he shoudl adopt Johnny bin Walker and make a family. Well, Jane became a born again Christian, so Ted Turner shoudl marry Cynthia McKinney, the pro-Arab Congresswomen in Georgia who lost in her primary :)

SJ> <<Interesting theory, there. Kinda like....Clinton dropping a few bombs over in Europe when Monica was in the papers, huh? Wag the dog, my friend.>> I thought he bombed Iraq for that, though he bombed Belgrade later on.

Well, with conspiarcy theories forming, we should sell them for OLiver Stone so he can make some movies.

<<Florida Election: Funniest story of the week. After months of shenanigans down there, everyone (to this day) claiming that Bush stole the election….the people in Florida STILL can’t get it right. BTW, is it any surprise that Reno didn’t win? Waco. Elian Gonzales. The fact that she could drop dead at any minute. Strike 3, you’re out.>>

Well, you could say her outcome was shaky from the start.

<<“The Love That Dares Not Speak It’s Own Name”.>> That's the Navy's new motto I think :)

<<Why is it that the guy with the bow-tie understands me best? >> Because the bow-tie is all superior.

<>

I'm reading this book about an alternat eHistory where the South wins the Civil War and 20 years later, the North and South are back at war and Utah tries to demand its statehood, only to have the US declare martial law and outlaw Mormonism. I thought you mihght be interested.

How are you enjoying law school, btw?

<<Hi, my name is Sevarius McCarthy Jr., and I’m a neo-fascist.>> That reminds me of a blacklist PJ O'Rourke suggested with updated liberals :)

Silvadel> You're right. Most poorer nations shake their fist at the US while begging for handouts with the other and many bigger boys who use the World Playground with the US do the same. I hear Bush is playing lets make a deal with UN nations to get support. Now, this is how you do it.

Imzadi> <<That doesn't sound very tough. Did you mention that the main enemy is obsessed with gold? How did you account for only one female smurf? >> I mentioned taht and Gargamel was portrayed to be Jewish, too; and Stalin was very anti-semitic.

Smurfette: well, I put down that Vanity was gay which was most other smurfs shunned him (Communists were homophobic, too), but I put Smurfette in with Communist China were there are fewer women and she is rationed to the male smurfs no doubt. You forgot about the Brainy=Trotsky connection, though.

<<They promote the buying of domestic goods. Der. Buying of domestic goods is what drives the economy.>> But the consumers pay more while domestic producers can gouge us (granted I'll pay more for a Japanese car than buy an American one made by the UAW). Also, if cheaper foreign steel were sold without any xenophobioc tarriff on them, Domestic products would be cheaper. US Steel would have to update their production or those workers will need a new job, like the makers of horse drawn carriages needed a new job back in the 1920s. Domestic industry needs to update and improve. Our protection of them allows tehm to slack off at our expense. I'll take me cheaper foreign goods and busy ports, thank you.

<<All the more reason for us to go in there and get him out. >> That is my point exactly. Now, in Operation: Oops, We're Sorry about that, we just need to avoid another rat bastard. Or else the US can make "oops, I did it again" the theme song to its foreign policy.

Aaaron> <<Not likely. The French love Saddam and vice versa. He’s the only one who’ll buy their crappy Mirage jets.>> Then when we have French intellectuals parachute into Baghdad Cafes, they will not recognize it as teh first line of attack :)

<<9/11 certainly has given the government an excuse to push through a lot of repressive stuff that they never would have otherwise gotten away with. But we all know my views on the subject already... >> Well, it si funny how LIncoln is so fondly remembered though he shredded the Constitution during the Civil War and FDR used the strips for toilet paper, followed by Earl Warren and William Brennan setting the soiled sheets on fire. I doubt there's much left of the Constitution left for Ashcrfot to tamper with unless he throws the ashes in the water. Besides, I wonder hwo many of our liberties are in the Constitution ro just lagniappe luxury liberties we assume we should always have, like the liberty to blast obnoxious loud music form your car.

<> If the CIA deals drugs, then Maxine Waters is actually right about something and not a 100% race-baiting demagogue? I can accept the CIA doing dirty deals, but not Maxine Water being right.

Jannie> <<> I'm sorry that you are ashamed to be an American. I for one am very proud to be an American. We're not perfect, but that doesn't make me any less proud to be a citizen of the United States of America. I can't think of any other country that I would rather live.>>

Well, part of the problem with US citizenship is that it is a birthright. Everyone should have to test for it like an immigrant does. Citizenship is taken for granted and this way, opportunity is more equal, but instead the result is too equal.

If I am ashamed of my country, then why do I wear a uniform. I am just not proud to be an American. I am lucky. I tak emore pride in knowing information about our Presidents, being able to know who most Congressmen and Seantors are. I am proud of my knowledge about America and that I could max out a citizenship test unless sports questions are asked.

But proud simply to be an American? No. I admit that I want to live in the US, though I enjoy my time abroad soemdays and I would love to work overseas as I enjoy travel. I do find America has little history and even less sense of it.

I also agree that finding a better country than America would not be something I could achieve, but the sad part is, look at the competition.

Christine> Manipulation is fun. What is best is if you can further and end by manipulatiung peopel to do what they want to do.

Spacebabie> <<Go bother the Jehovah Witnesses>> I ahd a friend who's stepmother was one. When he tried to join the Army, she tried to stop him, since she refused to "have a trained killer in the house". I have no use for any faith like that. Now, Mormons have no problem with military service, plus they have some good looking women, too. Not that I'd leave my own faith, but a few attractive wives... :)

<<How much does that cost? Hey wait doesn’t the Us own Guam?>> I'm surprised this isn't what Clinton is doing now. If I were Bush, I'd be bipartisan and make him Ambassador to Thailand..where better for Clinton than Bangkok :)

DPH> Illegal immigration? I only support a watch on it because of terrorists. Otherwise, I like illegal immigrants. They make great nannies and I have a yard, who better to work it? No need for a minefield, just to distinguish between day laborers and terroists. Frankly, illegal immigrants from Canada don't work for reaosnable wages like the ones from down south. I'll take a whole village, if I had a large farm.

Ravyn> <<or parts of the former Yugoslavia>> Thanks for reminding me :p

<<to work with Mexico to stop the coyotes.>>
I see Coyote getting profield more than you. Funny to hear you speaking bad about a Coyote ;)

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, USA
Sunday, September 15, 2002 01:27:13 PM
IP: 62.104.212.74

DPH> <<I also believe in strengthening our borders, especially the one we share with Mexico by possibly turning into a mine field in the desert sections and doubling current security personel guarding that border>> Whoa there!!! I *live* in that desert section of the border with Mexico ... and so do a lot of other people!!! While I do agree that the borders need to be strengthened (believe me, lots of people get tired of illegal immigrants walking across their backyards every night, or using other people's houses as places to stay when they're not home), and I agree that security personnel need to be present and doubled (and the Border Patrol tries and tries to recruit, believe me ...) ... you want to turn my backyard into a *mine field* over it?? And what about the even more remote areas of the border ... part of which is the Tohono O'Odham Indian Reservation? People live there too ... I doubt it would be a good move to fill up an indian reservation with mine fields. First of all, you're going to kill the people that *do* try to cross the border ... and people get too upset as it is when the *heat* kills them. (I mean, come on, why do they try to cross a desert at noon in June or July?) And secondly, mine fields are extremely dangerous ... look at Afghanistan, or parts of the former Yugoslavia ... there comes a time when people *don't* want the mines there, but they'll be left over, and they will kill/hurt innocent people.

That's like the people who want to declare martial law at the border (aka my HOME) just to strengthen the border. Believe me, it's been talked about time and time again, and that would so totally *suck.* There really *are* Americans living down at the border ... and stripping those people of more constitutional rights would not be appropriate. I already have to pass through a checkpoint anytime I try to leave town, and I've been stopped and hassled and told to "Say something in English" before.

What we really could use is doubling of personnel at the borders, and *major* relations with Mexico to stop the romanticism of people like the coyotes (guys who are paid to smuggle people across the border). Heck, it's getting to the point now where people will call themselves coyotes, take poor peoples' life savings as payment to get them across the border, and then kill them, leave them to die in the desert, or turn them in to border patrol just on the other side of the border. It's a dirty business, and somehow we have to work with Mexico to stop the coyotes.

Yikes, that turned into a rant. :) Forgive me. ;) But it is a local and national issue that I feel strongly about ...

Josh> <<Has anyone seen "In Memoriam">> No ... but I did see a special on PBS ... called something like "When the Planes Came to ___" (I can't remember the name they used, it was a place in Canada where they rerouted hundreds of flights on September 11, 2001.) It was inspiring to see the tons of people that helped each other while this terrible stuff was happening. <<Lets hear it for suspense-free computer based testing!>> Yay! Congrats on the score. I love computer based testing ... it's the only time that you know it's *good* if they're giving you more difficult questions. I tested out of Spanish here using a computer test like that, and it was cool.

Stephen> Sorry about the vision thing!!! Keep us posted, especially if you go in for surgery or something. :( My prayers are with ya!

Coyote> **huggles** :)
Ravyn
Sunday, September 15, 2002 01:10:40 PM
IP: 150.135.118.242

Just a quick post before I head back to my 24-hr. duty.
(arg)

Imzadi<having an earthquake) But that's the best time to go to sleep.

Will read the new TD later when I get a chance, but I must first write an eight page Pych. paper.

One last thing before I depart. I may not be able to post for a week or so. I'm having eye surgery so for the next couple of day after that, doing anything that requires sight is a no no. I have no idea what I'm going to do.
Jaden
Sunday, September 15, 2002 01:10:26 PM
IP: 172.193.181.254

Heather > In Spanish, the letter J is pronounced like the letter H is pronounced in English. "Jade" becomes "Hah-day." "Jesus" becomes "Hey-zues." And so on.

Lain > Got the e-mail. Thanks for the clarification.

:: staggers off to find the other half of "awake" ::
Patrick Toman
Sunday, September 15, 2002 12:24:26 PM
IP: 67.38.240.160

Question for anyone,
I downloaded "The Green" from Kazaa and I just figured out that Jade's name is not Jade. I can't pronounce it but when Elisa was saying that Turquesa and him were going to transport plants, what was the name? I know it is definately not Jade.

DPH> *whimper whimper* But in the stories, you've only put like... *checks her list* only six members. Is Yama still in the clan even after "Bushido"?
I've gotten like *counts* 34 members of the London clan.

Sorry if I seem so nosey but I just love doing things like this.
Another question: Have you even given names to the Guatamalan clan, you know, the hatchlings? Because I've gotten like 20 names that would be perfect.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Sunday, September 15, 2002 12:13:30 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Spacebabie > eggses, eggses it is, my precious! ;)

Josh > in my grandmother's case, I think it was a way to undermine my mom. She'd feed us all up, and then cluck her tongue at Mom and say what a pity it was, Amy and I had "such pretty faces, if only they could lose a little weight." I learned a lot about manipulating people by observing her in action.

Glasses > I still shudder to think of how my parents let me choose my own frames when I was six. They were plastic, swirled green and purple. Elton John would go "ick!"

Spike > so, viewing the world through dusk-colored glasses, eh? <g>

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, September 15, 2002 11:16:32 AM
IP: 65.239.13.58

Where is the wipe?

Ugh did anyone catch the Sailormoon SuperS movie on CN Friday? I had to turn it off and play the subtitaled tape about half way through.

I bitched more in my blog. I’m getting better at being a bitch I think. Well when people tick me off I do that.

I swear Pongo is a genius. He hurt is paw earlier yesterday so it was understandable that he favored that paw. Well mom caught him walking perfectly fine, then when he noticed her watching him, He started to favor that paw again. What an actor.

Here is a riddle for ya.
A box without hinges, key, or lid,
Yet golden treasure inside is hid.

What is it?

Phire_cat<<<nuttella>>>Yummers I love that stuff.

Mooncat<<>>See we are all growing in here.<<<Why bother? There are plenty of other clothing and garden stores out there that are closer to home.>>>K-mart???

Renee<<<Besides Christine, am I the only one with kids?>>>Crzy Jennifer has four of them. Jan has two grown up kids, and a grandson.

SJ<<<Hi, my name is Sevarius McCarthy Jr., and I’m a neo-fascist.>>>So you are now comparing yourself to Joe Lieberman??? The same guy who tried to get Jackass cancled because some parents can’t moniter their own children?<<<You don’t get your stroke fics anymore.>>>They never gave me a stroke.. Oh wait you mean…..Nope I sleep with my hands above the covers.<<>>Leave the Florida Mormons alone. They keep sending the hot ones to my house. Go bother the Jehovah Witnesses.<<<the people in Florida STILL can’t get it right.>>>Just the democrats. Or in the case of what we have here the dummycrats.<<<Strike 3, you’re out.>>>Jeb here comes your second term.

Josh<<<$3 for 750 seats crammed with irreverent students laughing their butts off at Bruce Campbell.>>>Groovy<<>>She watched the movie and she still doesn’t understand<<<They're hicks?>>>Hey there are a lot of Texans who post here, one is an admin.<<<are courses in the US offered in Klingon Language Study.>>>Where<<<Somehow I don't think it will have the same effect.>>>Depends on how happy he is with it.<<<Pity me.>>>I already do.<<<FBI. Female Breast Inspector.>>>So why don’t you apply?<<<Almost as forward as you.>>>No I’m backwards.

Aaron<<<And now that I have committed fandom suicide, on to replies.>>>No you didn’t commit suicide, you just was doing your job. Christine is an adult she will understand.<<<Nah, but she makes enough to feed an extra two people every meal>>> Well isn’t that the Southern way?<<<but allegedly, there are men in Guam who make a living deflowering virgins.>>>How much does that cost? Hey wait doesn’t the Us own Guam?

Christine<<<you and me both on the glasses thing ... I got mine when I was six>>> I was sixteen when I was told I had to wear glasses. Except I don’t. I could never find the right kind of frames. I’ll see if they have one that matches my favorite pair of sunglasses and maybe get the glass tinted blue as well. I don’t mind trying contacts. I’d try to get the colored kind that will make my eyes turquoise, naw purple, frell while I’m dreaming, contacts that can sense when your pissed and glow red. Eh Maybe I’ll just wait until they perfect laser eye surgery.

Greg X>>> Even though you didn‘t ask for one I‘ll give you a Demona blow up doll anyway.<<<and we could use even less pathetic yuppie parents. ;)>>>Now I have a mental image of Margot and Brendan as parents

Gside<<<when Narsil was renamed and to what?>>>I’ll ask<<<Close enough.>>>I knew that ought to make you happy.

Spacbabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Sunday, September 15, 2002 11:09:58 AM
IP: 65.57.81.14

Greetings all...

First off, thanks to everyone that wished well/prayed for my eyesight concerns. Expecially Mandolin... I never knew you had the same problem I acquired. I will be speaking to the DMV As soon as I can get a letter or statement from my doctors at the VA, detailing my vision problems. Hopefully I will get my license renewed. And I will keep everyone up to date on developments...

Though I have this sneaking suspicion that I'll be showing up at the Gathering in NYC with an eyepatch over my left eye. Just a premonition...

I stated my thoughts on NC-17 stuff before... so no need to go over them again.

Saw the new eps on various shows this weekend; thought I'd post my comments to date:

*** WARNING POSSIBLE SPOILERS ***

JUSTICE LEAGUE - "Injustice For All, Pt. 2" : dang, I missed the first part, but from what it looks like, Lex Luthor has finally gotten the brass together to form the Legion of Doom (though he's PAYING the others to form it), and it's a mixed bag of old characters and new ones - Solomon Grundy and Cheetah - looking rather yummy in a feline way! - along with The Shade, Star Saphire and someone called Humanite? Looks like Grod with a Mojo Jojo braincase... Oh, and the Joker is there too. (got to love Mark Hamill's voice work!).

The plots somewhat predictable: Batman is caught by LOD, so they can use a gaget of his to get into the orbital fortress the JL uses, to plant a bomb to destroy them once and for all. Big fight scene later, JL wins. Old hat with a new look.

But what was fun was a lot of the little twists and such - Like Batman manipulating Cheetah to warn the others about the bomb, etc. - and some of the little bits inbetween the battle scenes (like a cameo of a certain pair of Wonder Twins... don't worry though, they were just manaquins).

Overall, not too bad, but I hope the JL shows to follow get a little more surprising.

SAMURAI JACK - New ep, and Aku has recruited a band of lion-morph hunters from a far off world to come to hunt down Jack. At first, it all seems to easy, but Jack leads the lion-brothers on a chase throughout some future city, culminating in a high-rise standoff. Some great action and visuals as usual... you'll be rooting for Jack all the way! Can't wait for more from Genndy & Co.!

ULTRAMAN TIGA - Allright! Big Rubber Monster shows are back! And this time it's an Ultraman show. I grew up watching the original Ultraman, so this was almost like a walk down memory lane. The ep was the obligatory origin show; Earth relies on a secret task force to protect it from monsters born from outerspace and here on our world. this team is called the Global Unlimited Task Squad (aka GUTS) and they're sent to tackle a monster after warned of it's coming by an alien priestess (who appears in a message pod's hologram). In the interim, one of the GUTS team, a pilot named Daigo, gets to play host to the newest Ultraman on the block... and together, they stomp the first of many monsters to come.

Again, not much dissimilar to the original series, but the FX have been amped up a bit (no wires visible or hokey "lighting" gun shots), and the series does promise more action and fights later in the series.

There were a lot more series... but I'll talk about them another time. Got chores to do today.

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616@yahoo.com]
Tampa Bay, FL, USA
Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:56:28 AM
IP: 65.35.132.45

Greg> I was talking about the arguement to be. Not on porn. That is just funny to look at. Especially those "Sex Shows Around the Globes" things on HBO Zone or somehting.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:51:45 AM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Lazy day today - that means reading for class. Loads of fun...not.

Thanks to all the people wishing me well on the GRE...but I got my score the minute I finished the test. Lets hear it for suspense-free computer based testing!

Has anyone seen "In Memoriam", the world trade center film on HBO? Great film, put together a bunch of speeches, flim footage of the disaster from all angles, and the really heart-wrenching part: the final cell phone calls from people inside the building. If you haven't seen it, you probably should.

We got our design project for steel this week. He showed us the layout of a lab and I thought "great! Design the skeleton for the lab" WRONG! Design 'this beam, that column, and this hanging walkway". Weak! on the plus side, it won't take a year to do (we're working in teams of 2-3). But I would think most structural engineers would know to avoid hanging walkways after that one that fell and killed a bazillion people.

Cartoon Hero: Batman (YES!)
Random Object: Magic Box
Cute Creature: Bat
Video Game Cliche: Evil Mastermind (Bowser!)
Goth: Tech Geek Goth, supposedly a superior breed of goth
Cartoon Villain: Mojo Jojo!
Cartoon Location: Townsville
Time period: The 20's. Lets hope I sell my stock in time.

I saw the coolest thing at Costco today: Stargate SG-1 season 2 DVD box set! I bought it on the spot, it was a steal. Now I have to go looking for season 1. Where do you buy DVD's cheap? I know I can get them from Amazon, but where do I go online for the real deals?

Aaron: <<You've caught me during a really rare month, when I am fed up with just about everything>>: Period? <<now that I have committed fandom suicide>>: Nah, the rest of us still think you're cool. And you have my brother's undying admiration for the demona tatoo 8-) <>: HAHA...I don't think that's what they meant. <<perhaps ignoring the real points Josh made to pick at one statement>>: After 18 months, I'm starting to get used to it. <<fact that Bush and a bunch of his buddies own oil that doesn’t sit under the middle east, and would make fat sacks of cash if the price of crude oil went up to $35 bucks a barrel again... And that it would be a perfect excuse to start major drilling into the Alaska Wildlife Refuge to “make America less dependant of foreign oil.>>: That's absolutely brilliant. Never thought of that. <<He’s the only one who’ll buy their crappy Mirage jets>>: They probably sell them to him cheap. The mirage isn't a crappy fighter, but I guess its hard to get his hands on MiG-25's anymore. <<there are men in Guam who make a living deflowering virgins>>: What are the women like in Guam? <<That quote is from Pepito, the Dark Prince from Johnen Vasquez's Squee TPB>>: Ah, thank you. What's TPB?

Mandolin: <<do they really expect to fall back on Stargate with RDA considering leaving after Season 6>>: He's leaving!? That will take out all the fun! <<Hope you had more opportunity to study than I did>>: Yeah, I got tutoring and I've been drilling for the last two weeks pretty much. <<Hope you had more opportunity to study than I did>>: Have fun with the new writing section!

Jan: <<7 of our deputies did a 21 gun salute>>: Okay now THAT is a meaningful gesture. It signifies that you think of these people as heroes, and that they died protecting their country (I'm going to pretend it was just for the flight 93 people, since I think the people on the other flights were just victims). And it is a private mourning. Despite how loud rifles are, it is highly unlikely that someone a couple blocks away will hear it. And if they want to hear it, they can go to the salute. Its not invasive. That's what offends me about the bells. Its not just "we're sad" but "we want everyone to know it and feel badly too." I'm all for grieving, and I generally don't begrudge it being public, either. Its when its invasive and forced that I find it annoying. <<not one piece of furniture was found. None. Everything was destroyed to dust>>: That's incredible. Then again, having an 80 story steel tower fall on you will do that 8-) <<do you actually wonder why people don't reply to your posts>>: One would think that she'd pick up the hint. <<you shouldn't have posted that commentary on the 9-11 events>>: Whoa there, I didn't say that 8-) I just said I can understand how it could be seen as insensitive and I was only talking about one point in my entire comment. <<To foo-foo off that these people are dead and gone and therefore no type of rememberence or memorial should be given>>: Excuse me, absolutely NOT! I did not say that at all. I said a memorial should be built. And I said that people should be free to grieve. Even in large groups formed on my campus. That doesn't bother me. <>: Since you work in law enforcement, do you have any work stories related to this?

Christine: <<and then she'd feed me>>: What is the grandmotherly obsession with that? No matter how much you eat, they always want to feed you more. What sick hansel-n'-grettle thing is this?

Spike: <<having to wear my prescription sunglasses for two days until I could get my new prescription done>>: I wear my shades almost all the time, but needing them to see in the house would be a bit much for me.

Greg X: <<have yourself a retroactive abortion... we could use a few less kids in this country, and we could use even less pathetic yuppie parents>>: Thank you Mr. Carlin. <<I've got perfect 20/20 vision>>: All the better to check out hot chicks with. <<You sure you want to thank me>>: She wasn't thanking you for siding with her, she was thanking you for preventing mooncat from beheading her 8-)

Phire_kat: <>: Well, some people get off on me saying what they don't want to say. Then again, some people get along well with my personality type. Thirdly, there are plenty of people who don't like me. Fortunately...they aren't admins 8-) <<why we TRY to help you ppl out all the time>>: I'm sorry, you must be thinking of some other canada. The one who last came to help us in WWII. <<your getting all touchy about a pic>>: I think both of us were being sarcastic. I know I was. <<try to have fun in life, make things interesting and not pick an argument every time the chance comes around>>: Who says I'm not having fun? <<some one tell me I'm wrong and your really nice ppl when you want to be>>: You're wrong and we're really nice people when we want to be.

PDH: <<mzadi, it was nice to how Windows could have been much better, but damn it I didn't like the keyboard>>: I hate this comment. Just like the "one button mouse" comment. Get a new keyboard or get a new mouse. Then quit bitching and use the most awesome OS out there. Which version was it? <<especially the one we share with Mexico by possibly turning into a mine field in the desert sections and doubling current security personel guarding that border>>: Sure, and who's gonna pay for it? I'd totally agree with you, but the money doesn't come from trees. <<Can you name another highly profitable company that sells products with lots of known defects year after year>>: Sure. Apple. The difference is that they try to fix them without being sued first.

Gside: <<There should be>>: See FBI. <<How can I get in on that>>: start in Guam. <<Other mistakes/bad habits>>: Some of those are acceptable. ppl, cos, dunno are okay. your/you're is just annoying. But I loved how you mentioned in many times.

Now to commence with the sleeping.

He'll inevitably be drawn to large cities, where he'll back up sewer systems, reverse street signs and steal everybody's left shoe.
-Jumba Jookiba (David Stiers), "Lilo and Stitch"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, September 15, 2002 03:31:46 AM
IP: 64.165.202.125

How did Rutgers manage to shut out Army?

Gunjack> <<Headless Wonder>>: Roland?

Spacebabie> <<He�s the Tolkien expert>>: But does he know when Narsil was renamed and to what? My father always seems to forget.
<<Gives Gside a Demona blow up doll>>: Close enough.
<<Is their a job to test the sproingyness of women�s breasts?>>: There should be.

Imzadi> <<Somehow I don't think it will have the same effect>>: No, but at least it's a step in some direction, if not the right one.

Aaron> <<allegedly, there are men in Guam who make a living deflowering virgins>>: How can I get in on that?

Mandolin> <<I've always had ocular vision>>: Do you mean monocular vision?

Greg> <<Balthazar>>: So we know there is also Melchior and Gaspar around somewhere.

Phire Kat> <<YES YES I SEE IT! THE MISTAKE!>>: You're using the singular? Other mistakes/bad habits: your/you're, its/it's, your/you're, ppl, cos, your/you're, dunno, your/you're, ppl, for/of, tring, and a couple capitalizations.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, September 15, 2002 02:18:36 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

patrick>> <<"This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

puck@art-chicks.org">>

dont ask, cos i dont know. got any others i can try?

josh>> <<email>> fankee.. now thats all cleared up..
lain
Sunday, September 15, 2002 01:31:46 AM
IP: 65.93.72.183

**Road Trip/Visit with Gunjack**

First, I got up around 8:30am and spent the better part of 30 minutes waking up. Then a moron showed up and complained about something stupid. A few minutes later (after gathering my clothes), I took a shower and got dressed. Then, I ate breakfast and packed my lunch. Since the moron and my brother were home, I reconfirmed the route to Harding University. I ended up leaving around 10:12am. The 1st part of the road trip was on the highway, where I drove past spots were road construction had been going on. Fairly uneventfull, traveling around 60 mph in a 55mph speed zone most of the way. Then at Beebe (yep, that's the name of a REAL city in Arkansas), I got on the interstate and made really good time (75 mph in 70 mph speed zone) and was impressed I could still to my favorite radio station. I got off at the Searcy exit where it said "Harding University" was and followed road signs to Harding University. Last time I was there was the week OJ's wife was murdered and there was an investigation, so I had vague idea about the campus so I started driving around to find the Student Center, the place *I* had selected as the meeting spot. Ok, I'm paranoid about being set up for anything so I picked a nice PUBLIC place. With help from a student, I found the Student Center and went off to park my car. After I parked my car, I asked a student if I was in a parking lot where the campus PD wouldn't tow my car away (never can be too carefull) and I was told it was a safe location. I walked into the Student Center carrying a lunch box around 11:30am and proceeded to find the food court (when Gunjack said he would because he was going to order breakfast at 12 noon.) Upon looking around, I spotted computers in the food court and their gravity pulled me into one of them. Suddenly, their gravitational force became nuetralized when I saw the font size on the screen: way too small. I really noticed it after I loaded the CR. Of course, I spotted the arcades and made a mental note to visit them when Gunjack and I took a break. Then I proceeded to victiously attack time for 30 minutes by glancing around and looking at the clock. Finally, this guy walked in the Student Center wearing a trench coat (that's what Gunjack told me that he would be wearing so I asked if he was Mike and he replied "D" and the wait was over, at least until Gunjack got in line to order breakfast. Poor gunjack, he had only a shake for breakfast while I had brought 2 hot dogs on bread, 2 cokes, 3 peanut-butter crackers packages, and 1 package of chile picante Corn Nuts. I had finished my hot dogs and halfway through the 1st coke when Gunjack was ready to leave. So we proceeded to head towards a computer lab to get work (currently classified) done at a computer lab. The 1st lab we went to had Windows XP as the OS and we ran into problems right off the bat so we left. Then we proceeded to another computer lab where the dominant operating system was . . . Mac OS (yes, Imzadi, it was nice to how Windows could have been much better, but damn it I didn't like the keyboard.) There, we got work done while chatting. Of course, I was suprised at how serious Gunjack looked in person. Of course, he made the comment about how bad vision really must be after looking through my glasses. Around 5pm, we went outside after doing work and heard thunder and spotted lightning so we went to where I parked my car so I could roll up the windows and pull out a jacket. Then we went back to the student center and gunjack ordered his lunch and I finished the rest of mine and let Gunjack have my cornnuts like I had planned from the beginning. Then, guess what. You, in the south corner, wrong answer. It rained. But Gunjack had other things to do so I left. And walked all the way to my car while it was raining while I was wearing my jacket. Then I drove him. Unfortunately, I became sleepy along the way and got lost after turning off the interstate into Beebe and drove to Lonoke and turned around. After driving around for a few minutes, I finally got back on track and drove the rest of the way home while sleepy. Despite leaving at 5:30pm and getting lost, I managed to get home around 7pm. Oh yea, I wouldn't mind visiting Gunjack again and I was suprised at how shy I wasn't.
**END Road trip/Visit with Gunjack**

Ok, Gunjack, I want to hear YOUR side of the story.

GXB - Thanks for saving the CR valuable space.

Heather - I have the *full* list; trust me I have more information on the Japanese clan than any other. 2nd for most information is the Labryinth clan. and 3rd is the London clan.

Imzadi - <You believe it needs to strip citizens of constitutional rights in order to get that security?> Yes and no. I believe in mandatory X-rays being taken of people who fit the profile and their luggage. I'm dead set against a ratio of 100 citizens per spy in the US because it should be much, much higher. I also believe in strengthening our borders, especially the one we share with Mexico by possibly turning into a mine field in the desert sections and doubling current security personel guarding that border. <n fact I believe they *are* doing that and *have been* for
years now.> And people wonder why some of us want Microshaft broken up. Can you name another highly profitable company that sells products with lots of known defects year after year.

Just to make some people potentially mad, I'm going out a limb and say "The Pretender" is an antihero, not a hero and I challenge someone to prove me wrong.

This morning, I happenned to glance across Ultra Man Tiego and two comments: really obvious bad dubbing and a definitely watered down target audience. I suspect the target audience is kids 7-10 years old.

Renee - <Okay, so I guess I'll have to go reread that episode to see what you're talking about.> I guess I was being too subtle. The key point is the DATE of the story: November 1999. The date should answer your questions about when/if TGS is going to handle the events of 9-11-2001.

Phire Cat - <You didn't even say hi to me or anything, everyones ignoring what I posted so why do I even bother?> good question. Typically, when I am online and bump into you, I am looking for Lain. Now, you can't say *everybody* ignores what you post. Honestly, it took a while for people to pay attention to me.

Spacebabie - < Have a good weekend. > So far, half of it was good.

Green Baron - <Such people make good cannon fodder> Yea, you're right. We do need somebody qualified to be in line to be slaughtered as the 1st line of defense.

*Hopes CR gets wiped before midnight Sunday*
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, September 15, 2002 01:19:52 AM
IP: 204.94.193.72

patrick>> <> thats because you need to update your CR profile email address from a ".com" to a ".org"

resent.
lain
Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:34:34 PM
IP: 65.93.73.226

HEATHER> You sure you want to thank me? I personally like porn and NC-17 stuff ;)
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:05:23 PM
IP: 216.179.5.254

Thank you Greg.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Saturday, September 14, 2002 09:32:11 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Sorry, admin warning wasn't up when I started posting. :)
Leo
Saturday, September 14, 2002 08:42:05 PM
IP: 172.138.68.20

Eliminating NC-17 fics - Those sexually repressive puritannical goody-to-shoes!! (sp?)

MoonCat:<<Unfortunately those people who wish to eliminate all NC17 fics aren't satisfied with having a choice for themselves, but wish to take away choice from those who do want a NC17 section.>> Those are the people who like to petition school boards to remove such literary classics as "Grapes of Wrath" and "Catcher in the Rye" from public schools.

"Do you think the Reverand Flavel would approve?"
"Hell, are you kiddin'!? Reverand Flavel gave me this one!!!" - Porkey's II
Leo
Saturday, September 14, 2002 08:39:51 PM
IP: 172.138.68.20

NC-17 DEBATE

This subject is dead. D.E.A.D. Dead. We've been having this one since 1999, and frankly I'm sick and tired of it. Nobody changes their mind. The Pro-NC-17 people think those against it are a bunch of holier than thou prudes and the anti-NC-17 people think the pro-NC-17 people are a bunch of pathetic perverts who can't get off on their own. I've heard it all, I'm sick of it.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, September 14, 2002 08:31:40 PM
IP: 216.179.5.254

Mooncat> Again, like I said, I'm not getting into it. I don't want Aaron to warn me.
I've seen MANY bad NC-17 stories that would end up in someone cache anyway if they were thinking it was something else.
Like Sailor Moon NC-17 stories.... *shudders*

I just plainly don't believe in NC-17. I don't need those stories or tv shows to get me aroused or whatever like people put themselve to be.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Saturday, September 14, 2002 08:15:04 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

*smoothes fluffed fur at Heather's cat hiss*

Everyone is welcome to their opinion. I'm just responding to your stated one about NC17 fics. You seemed to imply, in your expressed opinion, that just the presence of an NC17 section made all the fan fic on the site violent and full of sex, and that the removal of NC17 material would somehow mean there would be no sex and violence in fan fiction.

I just wanted to point out that such an implication would be false. (reasons given in original post)-- having NC17 fics on a site does not make the *other rated fics* any more or less violent or sexual, than a red flower in a field of blue flowers changes the shade of those blue flowers.

If someone don't want a red flower, then they have the choice of just picking the blue ones. But it would be nice for the people who like red flowers to have a chance and choice of picking the red ones, instead of being denied the chance by people who like only blue who will smash the red ones rather than let anyone else enjoy them.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, September 14, 2002 08:04:08 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Mooncat> I don't want to get in an arguement with you, I'm just stating my opinion, that is what a comment room is for. *makes cat hiss* Just the ones I've read on fanfictionnet are mostly of violence and sex in almost every genre there is. I'm not saying all are but there are peopel there that shouldn't be writers.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Saturday, September 14, 2002 07:03:49 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Heather - [fanfictionnet> I'm kindo f glad about the new system, because... I might get a whap in the head but all fanfiction can't be of sex or violence. Me, personally, I don't read that kind of stuff... Well sometimes of Christine's stuff because she's goes into story-lines, but overall, I'm glad.]

Just a question, exactly *how* does simply having an NC17 section automatically make *all* fanfiction about sex and violence??? Or by not having a NC17 section, eliminate sex and violence???

I know I've seen *plenty* of PG13 and R fics with violence and gore galore, and sex (the sex just isn't as detailed as in a NC17).

And I've seen lots of NC17 fics that have more plot than many other fics that are not NC17.

There are people who don't want to read NC17 rated fics, that's fine. I can respect such material isn't to everyone's taste. But no *makes* anyone else read NC17 or Adult fics. Having an NC17 sections gives those persons who do write and read more graphic or more intense fictions the *choice* to do so.

With a NC17 section, those who don't want to read can still CHOOSE not to read NC17 fics. Unfortunately those people who wish to eliminate all NC17 fics aren't satisfied with having a choice for themselves, but wish to take away choice from those who do want a NC17 section.

That said, I still absolutely believe the owners of fanfiction.net have the right to say what kind of content is on their own site. If it's NC17 fic or simply the mention of the word Jellybean. But I'm not having my own hard earned money going to support a site with such a restricted, censorous policy. So I definately want my supporting membership fees back.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, September 14, 2002 06:15:38 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

YES YES I SEE IT! THE MISTAKE! I SEE IT!! "dude we don't even tax >OUR< borders"
phire_kat
Saturday, September 14, 2002 05:04:02 PM
IP: 65.93.75.153

Josh :oP <> sure ya do, but I wonder why ever one keeps putting up with you, your such a big old meanie!<<You don't speak English natively, do you?>> What the $#*% is that supposed to mean...geez its like your all out to be buttheads or something “reow, hisss, hisss” :oP <<You can't care because you're a canuck>> OoOh really, well that ain't true, God only knows why we TRY to help you ppl out all the time, dude we don't even tax your borders and we should just cos you guys get to go across our country for flipping free!<<we could go back several weeks in the CR and show his name on it. >> Big deal your getting all touchy about a pic? *rolls eyes* what’s the world coming to?!?Who cares if I use it or not :oP fine get in a flap about it you’ve got nothing better to do I see<<The world's situations and conflicts are a lot more important than your hyperactive mindless less than coherent babble. >> yeah well at least I'm not a jerk about it and try to have fun in life, make things interesting and not pick an argument every time the chance comes around! (excluding this)

I apologize for trying to lighten things up in here :oP

Jan <<do you actually wonder why people don't reply to your posts?>> No not really but I’m beginning to think you’re a bunch of stuck up snobs.

I dunno maybe I'm wrong...some one tell me I'm wrong and your really nice ppl when you want to be?!? :o(

Ah screw it I'm tired for tring to change my bad attitude and sarcastic nature...its too much work in this place :oP NEXT......moving on to life. Thank you come again!
Phire_kat - [exoteric_gryphon@hotmail.com]
Lorazepam City, N/A, Dextromethorphan
Saturday, September 14, 2002 04:53:47 PM
IP: 65.93.75.153

Hmmm -- It wasnt that way when I took the GRE -- Of course I took the GRE back in 1991.

If anything, an adaptive test would have -- well I guess it couldnt have helped me -- I got a 800 on the math and like 10 points off max in my field(comp sci).
silvadel
Saturday, September 14, 2002 03:18:36 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

Silvadel: No, you don't understand. The GRE is a computer based test, and you get your score *immediately* after finishing it. So I know for a fact that I didn't get an 800, because I know I got a 790 8-)

The computer based test is kind of interesting, it adapts (gets more difficult) as you get more right, and earlier questions count more than later ones. So if you're a math whiz, you can miss the last few and still get a perfect score, but if you miss too many in the first 10 questions, you may not be able to get a perfect score no matter how many of the others you get right.

Weird.
Josh
Saturday, September 14, 2002 02:44:45 PM
IP: 64.165.202.125

GB> I was talking about the name Balthazar is definately Arabic. I've been making a list of all of the gargoyles appeared. *yes, I have no life* And let me tell you, the London clan is HUGE.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Saturday, September 14, 2002 02:36:24 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

HEATHER> Where is the Persian Clan located? Well, I think it's some where in Iraq, probably near the border with Iran. I don't think we've worked out the exact location yet.

And no, they are not in league with Saddam Hussein ;)

<> Must have missed that. Balthazar so far has only had one short scene.

We've seen only three Persian gargs so far...

Balthazar (The leader, didn't attend the Council)
Darius (Clan sorceror, banished from the clan)
Tamora (Ambassador from the Persian Clan to Manhattan, currently still there)
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, September 14, 2002 01:34:09 PM
IP: 216.179.5.254

Hmm, various topics

Fanfiction.net/Adult Fic> Again if you don't like it don't read it, and if you are so crappy a parent that you can't monitor your own kid reading material that they shouldn't on the internet, then block certain sites, don't let them on the internet, don't have the internet, or just have yourself a retroactive abortion... we could use a few less kids in this country, and we could use even less pathetic yuppie parents. ;)

But they are a private site, they can accept or deny any material they want. But I'd expect them to give all the paying authors a full refund. But again, as a private site they can deny fics which break rules they have or are placing, just like GFW can ban death threats really poorly disguised as fanfics.

9/11> I wrote my own thoughts on it in my Live Journal.

Saddam Hussein> If the current Idiot's father had finished the job a decade ago we wouldn't be in this situation now. Oh well, what's done is done. We put Saddam where he is, we take him out. Hopefully we shove him in a small room and let the Kurds use him as a plaything... let them have some fun with nerve gas. Oh, and we have to get his son also... we can have lots of fun with nerve gas on the Saddam regime. Mmm, nerve gas ;)

EYESIGHT> Me, I've got perfect 20/20 vision ;)

JOSH> <> Well, Kevin Smith describes himself as devout.

"Some people have too much freedom."
-- George W. Bush
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, September 14, 2002 01:10:09 PM
IP: 216.179.5.254

Josh -- Dont count out your 800 yet... On the year I took the GRE you could get THREE answers wrong(or leave 4 blank) and still get an 800 on the math section... (800/600 GRE 780/630 SAT from back when it was real -- I tend to make a stupid mistake regardless and the sats arent hard enough that you can miss one and still 800)

silvadel
Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:54:00 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

fanfictionnet> I'm kindo f glad about the new system, because... I might get a whap in the head but all fanfiction can't be of sex or violence. Me, personally, I don't read that kind of stuff... Well sometimes of Christine's stuff because she's goes into story-lines, but overall, I'm glad.

Gargoyles Question> Where is the Persian clan from? Would it like Iraq or somewhere in the Middle East? I mean, the clan's leader is DEFINATELY Arabic.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:45:00 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Eyesight comments > I started wearing glasses when I started college. I probably SHOULD have been wearing them long before then, but I didn't realize what a problem it was until I got to that first big lecture hall the first day of class and couldn't make out ANYTHING the chemistry prof was writing on the board. Last summer, I went in for the annual exam thing and decided to give contacts a try. They gave me a prescription for disposable soft contacts. It took a while to learn how to get them in, but other than that I've never had a problem and I love having them. Glasses are nice, but with the contacts I've got clear peripheral vision again and they don't fall off while I'm doing sports or working outdoors.

Jan > Actually, the fanfiction.net admins locked down the author access to everything NC-17 immediately when the new terms of service were posted, and the only thing an author can do with their NC-17 fics now is save backups of them before the scheduled Oct. 12 deletion date.

THAT is what is annoying me the most now that I really thing about it... being given no warning and no chance to go in there and either revise, re-rate, or delete my own stuff at my own discretion. It's like coming home to find an eviction notice taped to the door that says you have 30 days to get out, then putting your key in so you can go start packing your stuff only to find that the landlord has also changed the locks. Just rude, IMO.

Lain > I do? I don't see anything in my mailbox.

:: off to hunt down lunch ::

"I've got mail! YAAAAAAAY! I've got mail!" - Special Ed, "Crank Yankers"
Patrick Toman - [puck@artchicks.org]
Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:23:19 PM
IP: 67.38.244.136

Jan>> re: 9/11 rememberances>> Ours was a small one but I was never so proud -- the principal of my sons' school asked our cub scout pack to do the flag ceremony for their assembly which took place outside on the playground. They did the pledge of allegience, sang America the Beautiful & The Star-Spangled Banner, and had a moment of silence. The school gave the pack a nice round of applause and it was cute to see the scouts puff their chests out as they marched off the field.
Unfortunately, all this pride means that I've got to officially sign on as a khaki shirt....

Jan & Christine>> The highlight of last week was me snapping the bridge on my wirerim glasses and having to wear my prescription sunglasses for two days until I could get my new prescription done. Talk about walking around in the dark!!

re: ffn.net>> I was more annoyed with the vagueness of their rating system definition than anything else. The two stories that I do have to take down will just go on my site. I'm tempted to tweak my Alien Legion story down to compliance, simply because I'm enjoying writing it so much -- isn't that what it's all about? Writing just for the joy of writing?
Spike
Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:22:10 PM
IP: 64.216.239.13

in the interests of CR sanity:

patrick and josh.. you have email

lain
Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:23:56 AM
IP: 65.93.75.153

Jan > you and me both on the glasses thing ... I got mine when I was six. My grandmother, in that evil way of hers, promised me contacts if ever I lost weight (and then she'd feed me). But I'd have had to touch my eyeball, and that's something I just cannot do. So it's glasses. I'm so used to them by now that I'd feel weird without them.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:05:27 AM
IP: 65.239.13.233

Just popping in for a few moments....

Dad medical update: my dad had 2 blockages - 1 at 100% that has already begun rerouting itself and the other one was at 80% and required two stints in order to make it big enough to open up the blocked area. He is doing fine and very relieved that he did not have to endure another bypass surgery. :)

9-11 ceremonies and rememberences: We had a very moving ceremony at our courthouse that morning. A highway patrolman (who also happens to live across the street from my parents) sang Lee Greenwood's song, "Proud to be an American", we had an opening prayer, words from the mayor, a closing prayer, and then 7 of our deputies did a 21 gun salute. Very moving moment and I was SO proud of them! The ceremony was closed by a dear friend of mine who played Taps. The rest of the day at work had a nervous edge to it -FBI reports kept coming in of potential terrorist attacks. It's much different being in a law enforcement environment than sitting at home when there is a potential threat to the community/country. We knew of the level orange warning before the news announced it.
I watched an amazing documentary on CBS that evening. This guy was doing a documentary on the beginning stages of being a firefighter and he ended up being only a few blocks away when the first tower was struck. He had footage of the plane hitting the building. This guy was able to film first hand experience of some of the firefighters on the scene and actually being inside the tower right after the plane hit it. One of the firemen pointed out something that I hadn't realized... in all of the debris and wreakage, not one piece of furniture was found. None. Everything was destroyed to dust. That in itself gives an idea of the magnitude of the damage done to the towers and to the victims.
It was a very moving documentary and it refreshed my admiration for firefighters, police officers, etc. The amount of courage and sacrifice that these people have is beyond adequate wording.
I also watched the terror and shock on the people's faces as this tragedy unfolded before their eyes and once again, my heart broke for the citizens of NYC. As shocking and damaging as it was for the rest of the USA - it was nothing compared to the residents of NYC. It was their home that was attacked.
I can see how some people compare this to Pear Harbor, but yet the actions following the attack should not be compared. When Pearl Harbor was attacked, we had a government to fight with - when Sept. 11th occurred, we had/have to fight an organization, not a government.

Green Baron> I'm sorry that you are ashamed to be an American. I for one am very proud to be an American. We're not perfect, but that doesn't make me any less proud to be a citizen of the United States of America. I can't think of any other country that I would rather live.

Phire_Cat> do you actually wonder why people don't reply to your posts?

*waits for the shock wave from my question to pass*

Fanfiction: *shrugs* it's their company and they can do what they want with it. (just as others have already pointed out) To compare this to being Nazi or being communists... well, I think that's being a bit overdramatic.
Maybe the owners decided that the smut was getting out of hand or that the "nonconsensual sex" aka rape was going overboard... who knows what the reasons truly are ? but bottom line, they have the right to do as they please.
Apparently there was some type of warning - everyone seems to be able to have the time to remove their writings. You didn't just go there one day and find it completely wiped out.
Refund on paid accounts? *nods* I think that whomever paid for an account and did so with the purpose of posting whatever rated fic that they wanted to put up there, should receive a pro-rated refund.

Josh> you're right - you shouldn't have posted that commentary on the 9-11 events. It made you come off as a very cold and selfish individual. Even though I know that you take pride in your self-gratification, that was too much, even from you. To complain that your sleep was disturb and interrupted because of the bells - I couldn't believe what I was reading from you.... *shakes head sadly* To foo-foo off that these people are dead and gone and therefore no type of rememberence or memorial should be given - I was appalled at your attitude. I was also very saddened and disappointed in you because of what you had written and the attitude you displayed.

I will agree that the "increased security" at the airports are a joke. It seems to have gotten worse since they made the security personnel federal employees. I have heard of countless stories of the "feds" abusing their new founded power, neglecting to screen people that would be more likely someone who could or would do harm (afterall, we wouldn't want anyone to be accused of profiling) and instead, targeting people that would no more be a threat than a 6 month old child. Elderly women in wheelchairs, breast feeding moms (who was forced to drink her own breast milk in order to prove that it wasn't some type of poison or chemical bomb) and people who are willing to be searched without question or apprehension. The system is terribly flawed and unless it's overhauled completely - we are no safer now on airlines than we were on 9-11-01.

Aaron> sorry, I don't read the Timedancer fics, so I don't have any comments to make on it.

My attempt at wearing contact lenses have failed. =\ After spending the last few years reading the computer screen and grading papers, I have the need for bifocals. I tried the bifocal contacts, but they made my vision worse. So, I must continue wearing glasses for the rest of my life. Ohwell, I've been wearing them since 3rd grade.

It's Saturday - which in my vocabulary also means... shopping! I'm outta' here! *grabs wallet and checkbook and runs out*
Jan
Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:00:41 AM
IP: 12.215.180.93

Aaron > mea culpa, had forgotten that. Sincerely sorry.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Saturday, September 14, 2002 10:16:42 AM
IP: 65.239.13.233

Haven't posted in a while, but I see the controversy rages on in the CR...

I'm probably the last to say it, but congratulations to Lexy and Kai. Sounds like it was wonderful, and I can't wait to see pictures.

Show cancellations> Farscape AND Witchblade? Oh, gimme a break. I really wasn't happy with Witchblade season 2, but REALLY. Even with Yancy Butler's problems, it's not that hard to film 13 eps a year with a good solid eight months in between seasons. And Farscape - I'm not a big fan, I watch it sporadically, but even though I'm not really into the show I think Sci-Fi's higher-ups must be on crack. I mean, do they really expect to fall back on Stargate with RDA considering leaving after Season 6?

I say we forget the campaigns and go drown Bonnie Hammer and Ken Schwab and the rest of their ilk. We'd be doing the world a favor. Gerrit Graham was right: if you ran, say, a pizza place or an ordinary business the way most networks are run, you'd be out of business in a week. Sheesh.

ff.net> Don't write NC-17 stuff, don't read a lot of it, but... they really could've handled the transition differently. I understand that ff.net is a private organization, but seeing as how they have a good deal of paying users, they should have given their writers a heads-up.

Josh> Good luck on the GRE! Hope you had more opportunity to study than I did! (I'm taking it again either in November or January, depending on a few things.)

The "Dogma" debate> Um, my mentor is a born-again Christian... he saw the movie and found it mildly amusing. I asked him why he wasn't offended, and he said that one, it was just a movie, and two, it actually wasn't as offensive as he'd expected. (When he was conned into watching it, he'd been bracing himself for something absolutely and utterly horrible.) Of course, he's also one of the more laid-back and patient people I know - I think if you wanted to offend him, you'd have to resort to a personal attack. It would take more than "Dogma" to get a rise out of him.

Anyway,I'm actually speaking up in response to Stephen's post.

I'm legally blind in my left eye (20/400) and still qualified for a driver's license - the only restriction placed upon me is that I have to drive vehicles with 2 outside mirrors. (I also drive a 2001 Honda Civic, which is a nice little car with less of a blind spot than, say, a van or truck.) Of course, I was born that way, and even though my huge blind spot isn't so big that I can't drive, I suspect the fact that I've always had ocular vision helps. But then again... my godfather lost his vision in his right eye when he was a teenager, had to learn to live with ocular vision and still kept his driver's license.

So I think there's still a good chance you shouldn't get your driver's license revoked, Stephen... Maryland let me drive, and Ohio and Kansas let my godfather drive. Hope you do find a solution, and I'll keep you in my prayers. Keep us posted, okay?
Mandolin
Saturday, September 14, 2002 09:59:49 AM
IP: 68.55.246.211

Well, I knew the whole talking about TGS thing couldn’t last...

Admin-type things first:

SJ> Writing a post outlining all the nasty things you were going to say is as bad as actually posting them. It’s not funny, it’s not cute, don’t do it again. You admit you only post to get a reaction out of people. Congratulations. You've got one. You've caught me during a really rare month, when I am fed up with just about everything. Cut this sh1t out, or I'm banning you. I'm sick to death of this g*d d*mn song and dance. Quothe Edward Norton in The People vs. Larry Flint "The difference, Larry, is that people get tired of a pig." You have been Warned.

Christine: I know we've let the PG-13 rating on the room slide like WorldCom's stock price, but direct linkage of adult-rated material is still against the CR rules. Don't do it again. Thank you.

And now that I have committed fandom suicide, on to replies.

Lynati> <<Sneakingyoda just kidnapped Cybele from my livejournal!! Can you send me backup??>> **The chibi-Horsemen move to Lynati’s side. Death looks upset, while the other three merely look bored. War is leading the chibi-beasts, Buck and Unruly Julie. Chibi-Frank, making his first, and probably only appearance, trails along after them.** There, see if that helps.

Lexy> <<Disney's Wide World of Suck.>> My brother’s been there. It’s where they hold the US National Magic Tourney every year. His assessment was similar to yours. (Why Magic Nationals are held the same weekend as Gay Day I don’t know. Revenue maximizing, I suppose) <> The title of which is? It sounds like a book I want.

GXB> <<Oh, and I was asked by the new leader of the Unseelies to tell you not to refer to him as "Madoc Lite".>> Welcome to the wonderful world of head-people.

Tim> You’re right, it’s 7.62, not 7.65. Still a wimpy little girly gun.

Josh> <<Don't do drugs, because they support terrorists.>> I thought they made the CIA stop dealing...

Patrick> I think you are perhaps ignoring the real points Josh made to pick at one statement. 9/11 certainly has given the government an excuse to push through a lot of repressive stuff that they never would have otherwise gotten away with. But we all know my views on the subject already... <<It'd be no different than, say, the Ford Motor Company recalling a defective automobile, wouldn't it?>> Well, yeah, except that 1) It would mean admitting we made a mistake, and 2) Once we set the precedent, who else will me have to “recall”? (Please note that I’m not arguing against this. Saddam’s a bad guy, and I think he needs to be taken out. I’m just advancing a theory)

Kai> <<But in economic terms, the benefits of deposing Saddam wouldn't kick in until well after the costs of disruption of the oil market. This will also be well after the 2004 elections. No significant, short_term political gains will come out of Iraqi oil for the Bush administration, hence discrediting the claim of ulterior motives over oil.>> Except maybe, you know, that fact that Bush and a bunch of his buddies own oil that doesn’t sit under the middle east, and would make fat sacks of cash if the price of crude oil went up to $35 bucks a barrel again... And that it would be a perfect excuse to start major drilling into the Alaska Wildlife Refuge to “make America less dependant of foreign oil.” <<And we might as well pretend that the Iraqi invasion of Kwuait and attacks on Israel were all make_believe.>> Wasn’t that the plot for the book that got turned into “Wag the Dog”?

GB> <<Hopefully Paris, but I doubt that was the answer :)>> Not likely. The French love Saddam and vice versa. He’s the only one who’ll buy their crappy Mirage jets.

Spacebabie> <<Does she cook the traditional southern way?>> Nah, but she makes enough to feed an extra two people every meal. <<Is their a job to test the sproingyness of women’s breasts?>> I dunno, but allegedly, there are men in Guam who make a living deflowering virgins.

SJ> <<Why is it that the guy with the bow-tie understands me best?>> You see, it is possible to have a viscious thought and not share it.

Josh> <<Unknown>> That quote is from Pepito, the Dark Prince from Johnen Vasquez's Squee TPB.

And that's it. I'm going back to bed.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Saturday, September 14, 2002 04:36:33 AM
IP: 204.30.195.246

Yeah, Okay. I'll post this now.

Hey folks. Forgive me for not posting last night. Went to the UCBMUG meeting across campus and then to a nice long dinner (courtesy of Uncle Steve)...instead of studying for the GRE.

I took the GRE this morning. Woke up at the buttcrack of dawn to drive my roommate's car through deepest darkest Oakland. They budget four hours for the testing and the tutorial and marketing crap, but I left after I finished.

And I kicked its ass. I rule. Didn't get a perfect math score, which is kind of embarrassing. Especially since I got a perfect math score on every diagnostic test I've taken. I think its because my engineering education leads me to over-think these stupidly simple problems. And my verbal score definitely improved from the tutoring: 20% increase.

And we saw Evil Dead 2 tonight in one of the campus auditoriums. $3 for 750 seats crammed with irreverent students laughing their butts off at Bruce Campbell.

Okay so if one puts on a flame-retardant suit...would you be a flaming retard?

In retrospect, I can see how my comment about being annoyed would be perceived as offensive. Sorry I made it. However, that was a minor point in the whole rant. In fact, I wouldn't even call it a point. It was an aside, maybe just a comment. The point was almost completely unrelated: that we've taken a tragedy and twisted it, cheapened it...all in the name of terrorism, patriotism, security, and other obscure words.

re: Fanfiction.net. This is totally lame. But it is a private company, and they can post whatever material they want, I guess. Guess all my favorite authors will be posting their garg porn here instead.

But enough about me.

Lynati: <<inspired a rant from me too>>: Well don't keep us in suspense.

Fire Storm: <<what are the frelling odds>>: 1/1000, according to the article and basic probability.

Kaioto: <<Hell in a hand-basket? I don't think so>>: I concede that might have been a bit of an exaggeration. <<they are at least bothering to do background checks on airport employees now>>: Does EVERY company do a background check of its employees? Why should this be any different? And what does it have to do with the time we waste in airports? <<I'll take the odds that he's bluffing over the odds that he'll ram us into a building any day>>: True, but you always have to take threats seriously. Just like you always assume a gun is loaded when it is pointed at you. <<I've got much better odds of being hit by a drunken driver than shot by airport security>>: I HATE it when people compare dangers to driving, saying "X is less dangerous than driving". They are completely different things. Yes, the odds may be higher, but its AN ADDITIONAL RISK. If my choices were to live in an airport or drive a car, that'd be one thing. I could choose the safer thing. But I have to do both. Quasi-frequently. The presence of a gun is an ADDITIONAL risk in my life. Eventually, all the odds add up to 1. <<The Iraqi "Elite Guard" are the undisputed masters of surrender techniques>>: Must have trained under the french. <<People arguing distrust over reasons 2-4 are either obfuscating the truth for their own reasons (pacifism, anti-US sentiment, Jihadist simpathies, political partisanship) or they haven't thought the issues through very clearly>>: Although I don't feel that way, I would like to point out that that is a blindly arrogant and self-righteous statement, one you do not have the authority, education, or knowledge to make. <<claiming I'm brainwashed with absolutely nothing else to add to the discussion is flaming>>: So is saying that lain is either stupid or trying to mislead us because she doesn't agree with you. <<I'll point to CNN and the UN for at least SOME credibility>>: For the record, CNN is not a "credible" source. Its hearsay. Do your own research. That's how you stay credible.

Patrick: <<Goodness knows that in the grand scheme of things, your sleep is of paramount importance>>: You're god damn right it is. No one has the freedom to attack my pursuit of happiness to let me know they're grieving. I KNOW they're grieving. I can read the calendar. They have their opportunities to grieve publicly (which I don't understand the need for in the first place, but whatever). ANY other cause would get arrested for doing this. The university would have been fined for making after hours noise. <<I'm sorry you're so down on the military and the current war against terror>>: ITS NOT A WAR AGAINST TERROR! There is no terror! If we were attacked frequently, I could appreciate it. You've confused the war on terror with a war on civil rights under the name of a war on terror. <<there's no possibility at all that terrorists could ever hijack a plane on the west coast and steer it towards YOU, so why should you care>>: Hello, McFly. I live in Los Angeles too. An actual population center, and a world-renouned center of hedonism. Don't think I don't think about it. <>: I know that. And I know Lain is one of them. My point, oh in-depth reader and nitpicker of minor points, was that *I don't feel that way*. Look, I've been in this CR for over a year and a half. I think my political views are pretty clear. Do you really think I *agreed* with that? <<suffer the inconvenience of security measures designed to protect them>>: Obviously you need a CAT scan if for a second you think those security measures are actually designed to protect us and not just for show. What kind of engineer are you? if I can think of 208 ways to get around airport security, I'm sure a terrorist can come up with a million. They're looking. <<For others in America, though, things DID change last September 11>>: Don't you get it? This isn't a ME ME ME thing. Its for YOUR children that I'm concerned about our rights being taken away. For my little brother. For the future of this country. I just happen to be in there. Our RIGHTS are not to be taken for granted, perhaps. But neither are they to be given up for anything. "Those that would trade liberty for security deserve neither". If people thought as you did, there would have been no revolutionary war. They would have stayed home, thinking "its okay to not have any rights, as long as we're protected by the British". And for the record, I don't honk at funeral processions or use a cell phone. <>: Oh and by the way, you don't have mask your insults to me as a comment to someone else. I can read. <<Many of us woke up that day and stopped taking America for granted>>: Obviously you weren't one of them. Because your rights are being flouted left and right, and you don't seem to notice. Sorry, but this country was founded on and is all about freedom. <<If it was our screw-up that put him in power, then we not only have the right, we have the DUTY to remove him now that we realize our error. It'd be no different than, say, the Ford Motor Company recalling a defective automobile, wouldn't it?>>: Absolutely correct. The hippies are dreaming. <<I've just signed the fanfiction.net petition>>: Amazing. You're fine with someone being searched without a warrant, or held without a lawyer, or denied access to public records all for the sake of ineffective "security"...but god forbid anyone should try to take your porn away. <<forsakes Free Speech and cowtows to censorship and the outraged cries of the intolerant few>>: Oh you are so BLINDINGLY hypocritical. <<it is better to enforce minority standards of morality on all, and steadily chip away at everyone's rights. After all, it worked for the Nazis, it worked for the Communists, and it worked for the Taliban>>: Wait, this sounds familiar. Oh right, creation of a police state under John Ashcroft in which citizens are arrested for dissenting discussion under the blanket guise of "its for the children!" <<Unleash your imagination and free your soul." Maybe they'll be amending that soon, since evidently they don't want those imaginations running around off the leash after all>>: If you'll excuse me, the irony is so thick here I'm going to go stab it with a spork.

Taleweaver: <<Does she think Brooklyn wouldn't understand?>>: Brooklyn may be older, but he's still brooding, quick to anger, and occasionally immature.

Lain: <<glad it was you who said it.. not me>>: Fair enough. You'd have been mauled. I didn't even expect that reaction from the wonder-twins. <<you? yes>>: HAHA. <<its that they see you as being the people who PREVENT THEM from having all the stuff>>: Well maybe I will. By nuking them. <<come to MY house>>: I'd go to my cousins'. But I'd be sure to visit. Cuz my car is sure as hell coming with. <>: You mean like the lists of violations written by UN inspectors? What, you don't watch the Daily Show? <<the cruelty of attacking a country whos civillian population has already been devistated by 10 years of international embargo>>: We're not. We're attacking the government. Most likely, we'd wind up doing a Berlin Airlift over there.

Renee: <<be gentle>>: Haha. We don't do gentle. <<have four kids>>: Ewwww. Hope they're angels. <<Will any of the other series be starting soon>>: No. <<Will the events of September 11, 2001 be worked in to any of the series>>: I hope not. This is a separate universe. <<Would any of the original have been destroyed on September 11, 2001? I mean, how close was Xanatos' complex to the WTC? Just curious>>: Far enough that the manhattan skyline still looked like the manhattan skyline when you were standing in Castle Wyvern. <<Flame-wars and all, I like what I've seen so far>>: welcome. Now we have your soul. <<so I guess I'll have to go reread that episode to see what you're talking about>>: No, he's just saying that the most recent episode is still late 1999, and 9/11/2001 is still several seasons away in TGS. I.e. "they don't know". <<Christine, am I the only one with kids>>: Can you imagine the consequences if we started to breed? ;-)

Spike: <<it seems that fanfiction.net has changed their rules on what can and cannot be posted>>: that sucks.

Phire_kat: I ignore the opinions of the incoherent. <<ALWAYS COCA-COLA>>: Except that one, which exactly proves my point. <<don't get mad or personal cos then your just being stupid kay>>: You don't speak english natively, do you? <<your right this is a stupid thing to get mad over>>: No its not. Its exactly the kind of thing a US citizen should get mad over, one side or the other. You can't care because you're a canuck. Gabriel is totally right to get angry over it. He's just smarter for leaving 8-) <<Kiss my bum I'll use if I want to, I don't see your name one it>>: we could go back several weeks in the CR and show his name on it. <<You didn't even say hi to me or anything>>: Everyone doesn't welcome everyone. <<everyones ignoring what I posted so why do I even bother?>>: Because you have nothing else to do? <<Put a sock in it will ya...*rolls eyes* sheeeesh!>>: I have bad news for you. The world's situations and conflicts are a lot more important than your hyperactive mindless less than coherent babble.

Gabriel: <<and people claim the left brainwashes people. damn, you take the cake dude>>: In all fairness, both sides do a lot of brainwashing. <<You completley skip over the fact that the US installed Sadaam>>: All the more reason for us to go in there and get him out. <<everytime I get in a fight since I degenerate into a sefl-righteous hypocrite>>: Is that an admission of logical fallacy?

Gunjack: <<ook a whole 24 hours before the controversial posts started appearing>>: Sorry, I would have posted it sooner, but I try to post right before bed so I don't go to sleep thinking of responses 8-) <>: You get a point for "the main point of the passage is best expressed by which of the following statements". <<snap us out of the pop-culture stupor we've been living in for the last thirty years or so>>: That will be a cold day in Hell. <<how does ringing bells a continent away help those left behind>>: Thank you. <<It is hard to be "paranoid" about a nuclear-armed superpower bent on forceful domination of the entire world>>: In all fairness, he's not a superpower nor do we know for a fact that he has nukes. We just think its very likely that he's developing them.

Green Baron: <>: That doesn't sound very tough. Did you mention that the main enemy is obsessed with gold? How did you account for only one female smurf? <<Now, if only I could start a decent grad school program where I am>>: Even if you can't, try to take as many classes as you can, just for your own edification. <<plus I thought MPs had M9 revolvers>>: Whatever. <>: Um, I'm not a programmer. I'm an engineer. In all likelihood, I'd get a job somewhere working on missiles or something. <<how much of hsi incoem would remain after taxes>>: I'd make quite a bit of money in Canada. I make quite a bit of money here. <<Hopefully Paris, but I doubt that was the answer>>: HAHA. <<Tarriffs are disgusting things and have no place in our modern society>>: sure they do! They promote the buying of domestic goods. Der. Buying of domestic goods is what drives the economy. <<Miramax bashing Catholics left and right>>: Greg is right. Get over it. That was the point of the movie. Ever enjoyed a Mel Brooks movie? Those movies mock jews left and right. And they're freakin' hysterical. Learn to laugh at yourself, because YOUR RELIGION IS FLAWED JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ONE.

DPH: <>: You believe it needs to strip citizens of constitutional rights in order to get that security? <<Convince me that Microshaft couldn't place a time-bomb virus in everybody's operating system and pass the results off as a "terrorist attack" on the software>>: In fact I believe they *are* doing that and *have been* for years now. Then they can, in one fell swoop, eliminate all users of non-microsoft products.

Gside: <<Shame>>: Probably not.

Sevarius Jr: <>: !@#$ why!? <<how much I hated Canada and how I think they’re the biggest pussy bastards on the face of the planet for not supporting us in our impending campaign against Iraq>>: Among other things, right? <<so incredibly unfair in this world that whenever a great tragedy befalls us, it always happens to good, honest people instead of annoying little pacifist pricks like them>>: Or, in Patrick's case, pricks like me. <<I’m working to be a better person, so I deleted all of that>>: bullsh*t. There's a girl, isn't there? <<Sevarius McCarthy Jr., and I’m a neo-fascist>>: From anyone else that wouldn't be very funny. <<I’ll point you to a dozen or so free porn sites>>: That you've heard about from friends, right? Cuz surely you don't go to them yourself. <<how pretentious is THIS statement?>>: As much so as any other we've uttered in the last few days. <<why we are still a) a member of, and b) listening to, the United Nations>>: Cuz we started it and if we don't, everyone else is likely to get pissed at us. <<Unless you consider “Stargate: SG1” good programming>>: Hey. I love that show. <<jumped the shark>>: What does that even mean? <<I. Don’t. Like. You. I doubt I ever will>>: I like the new SJ. <<deep down, I just don’t really want it after all>>: You just live on conflict, don't you?

Greg X: <<the writer and director is a devout Catholic btw>>: I don't know if I'd describe Kevin Smith as "devout". However, I do agree that he should get over it. <<Why don't you come to New York, go to Ground Zero, and say this to the hundreds who visit it everyday. Come on. I'm sure it will be very amusing.>>: Oh how I would pay to watch that beating.

Aaron: <<would you all stop debating geo-political reality when there are important things like fanfic.net's decision not to carry pr0n>>: Is that today?

Spacebabie: <<She kept asking me all these questions>>: I like to tell people who do that to "watch the freaking movie!" <>: They're hicks? <<Like that wasn’t done deliberately!>>: It had the same odds as any other combination. <<Only in Canada!!>>: Actually no. There are courses in the US offered in Klingon Language Study. <<Gives Gside a Demona blow up doll>>: Somehow I don't think it will have the same effect. <<You have to deal with those idiots every day.>>: Pity me. <<I’m not voiting cause he has a hot son>>: Very good then. <<Is their a job to test the sproingyness of women’s breasts?>>: Yes, FBI. Female Breast Inspector. <<Jeez aren’t you forward?>>: Almost as forward as you.

Mooncat: <<it's kicked me into gear to revamp my personal website. So I can look at this as a cloud with a silver lining>>: Then it had a good outcome. I wish everyone updated their sites more often...including me 8-)

Alan: <<Now they say that there is no interest in the show anymore, when I know that isn't true>>: Pretender ROCKS. I watch it twice a day. <<I've always been a fan of this show>>: Ditto. And it's still good on sci-fi. And its still good without Daniel. <<It's wierd watching it with commercials, though>>: Tivo time. <<Nicole de Boer is cute>>: Amen! <<If you haven't been watching this show, you *have* to>>: My roommate loves it. Its all science-y. Ted Raimi was hysterical in the last episode. <<despite the absense of David Greenwalt from the show>>: Which one is that? <>: I missed it, so I've been trying to catch up in reruns on TNT. Or TBS. Never can remember which. Channel 245 8-) <<I'm hoping they go more into the Superman mythos this season>>: I'm looking forward to it as well. Especially episodes where clark develops a new power. Flight should be interesting. <<Martin Sheen should really be president.>>: With or without the mind-altering disease? <<If you've taken the time to read all of this, you might want to re-examine your position in life>>: I resent that remark!

Ravyn: <<Good luck on the GRE!>>: Thanks. I kicked its ass. Twice. <<Yu-Gi-Oh (sadly, I've quickly gotten hooked on this show, after I promised I wouldn't ...) :) Pokemon (although it's gotten a little monotonous lately ... give me more yummy Jessie and James scenes!>>: I can't understand how anyone can enjoy these crappy anime after-school cartoons. They make no sense, they have no coherent plot, the dialogue is terrible, the characters are uninteresting, and the animation SUCKS. Other than that, though 8-)

If you'll excuse me, I'm ludicrously tired.

Ah, the innocence of children. The future of our world, they say. Standing here, what I feel in most of you however, is not innocence. I sense cruelty. I sense the violence of animals. I sense you laughing at my hair. In you I sense no future, but the destruction of your own world. That is what I see.
-Unknown

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, September 14, 2002 02:24:57 AM
IP: 64.165.202.125

OW! *pin stuck in foot* what'd you do that for? *nibble*

i ranted enough about politics on ezboard. bottom line: the whole thing's "oogie."
Mecord's Cat
Saturday, September 14, 2002 01:48:44 AM
IP: 12.255.1.35

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silvadel
Saturday, September 14, 2002 01:32:29 AM
IP: 208.59.247.9

Why do I always post long items with feeling right before the board gets reset? Oh well -- If worse comes to worse I may have to repeat myself.
silvadel
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:58:32 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

Actually everyone has some small amount of say in our policy -- We have the choice to exercise that right in November.

As for Iraq, the world is being very self centered. You see, being portrayed as against the mid-east (which is the label anyone who sides with us will get), turns one into a target for terrorism and makes one less likely to get good oil agreements. Hence it is not in their interest to join with us.

Also it gives them political capital... If they make a big show of not backing us then say something to the order of -- If you give us this concession then we will back you up. Again much more good for them than to ally with us too easily.

It all comes down to "what is right" and "what is the most advantageous (for me) move" is not always the same thing. And very few countries have the conviction to choose what is right over the advantageous when they are in conflict.

Hence if we decide to go into Iraq, it will pretty much be on our own -- with the secret blessing of many countries but they will never say it publically... In essence for being a "superpower" we end up having to pay for the whole thing -- both in lives and in dollars.
silvadel
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:56:56 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

For that matter, Christine... when did we ever claim to be highbrow? Seems to me all we want is fair and equal treatment. Petition signatures are up past 9,000 now, too... so I guess we're not the only ones.

Ironic, I find it, too, that fanfiction.net's slogan is "Unleash your imagination and free your soul." Maybe they'll be amending that soon, since evidently they don't want those imaginations running around off the leash after all. :P

But I digress... no need to set off the fire sprinklers tonight. I think instead I'm just gonna go enjoy some irreverant, uncensored comedy by watching "South Park" and "Crank Yankers" before I go to bed.
Patrick Toman
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:55:11 PM
IP: 67.38.250.55

Pretentious? Moi?

Sorry ... couldn't resist. No, I take it back ... I didn't even try. ; )
Christine
Friday, September 13, 2002 10:32:30 PM
IP: 65.239.13.1

Wah, Wah, Wah, Free Speech: Hi, my name is Sevarius McCarthy Jr., and I’m a neo-fascist.

Get over it. “I’m glad you like CENSORSHIP! BLAH!”

Oh, whatever. You don’t get your stroke fics anymore. Boo hoo. If you want, just for you, I’ll point you to a dozen or so free porn sites, just to fill in the void that has now filled your lives.

Victory for the Prudes! Game, set, match!

Mooncat: <>

Compliment accepted. I’d love to have a multimillion dollar radio show. Then you could all call in and call me a hypocrite when I do some schtick on the air about how the FCC is trying to shut me down. “I invented complaining about censorship, Robin, hoo hoo hoo!”

GB: <<imagine SJ will go on a website full of puritanical, semi-educated "Christians" who despsise organized religion and espouse veiws very pro-erotica just to push the same buttons. SJ is getting a good laugh out of this. >>

Boy am I.

Why is it that the guy with the bow-tie understands me best?

<>

Oh lordy lord, Ms. Scarlett, I don’t knows nothing ‘bout birthin no babies!

I would never do a minstrel show, cause I’m not racist. I’m an equal opportunity offender.

I will admit to playing some rather nasty tricks on Mormons, though.

Christine: <<So we naughty writers are once again relegated to the back alleys and not considered fit for polite company.>>

SWEET BABY FUCKING JESUS, how pretentious is THIS statement??????

Christ, you’re not talking about Hemingway here. At best you’re talking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer slash featuring Giles & Spike in “The Love That Dares Not Speak It’s Own Name”. This is the same circle-jerk that we always get in. I think people have the impression that I am morally offended by erotica or something. I'm not. It takes a LOT to offend me. I just think anyone who writes it is full of bullshit if they somehow think what they penned is high-brow literature.

Don’t you dare cop the “we’re so persecuted” rap either. There's only a billion erotica sites on the web. And last time I checked, I’m in the MINORITY opinion, certainly in this CR at least.

Florida Election: Funniest story of the week. After months of shenanigans down there, everyone (to this day) claiming that Bush stole the election….the people in Florida STILL can’t get it right. BTW, is it any surprise that Reno didn’t win? Waco. Elian Gonzales. The fact that she could drop dead at any minute. Strike 3, you’re out.

Taleweaver: <<Personally, I think it serves the Bush administration the most. It gets corporate fraud off the front page, it boots stagnating stock prices and its the perfect emotionally charaged topic for this years election.>>

Boy, everyone’s got a conspiracy.

Interesting theory, there. Kinda like....Clinton dropping a few bombs over in Europe when Monica was in the papers, huh? Wag the dog, my friend.

I’d like to know why we are still a) a member of, and b) listening to, the United Nations. An organization composed largely of nations that HATE us, and who’s consistent anti-Semitism is a total and utter disgrace.

Witchblade: I’m sorry to see this go too. I was surprised at how good this show was. I mean, it wasn’t the BEST show on television or anything, but it was pretty solid. And it wasn’t crummy T&A like the comic. I will miss Yancy Butler’s oh-so-tight-buttocks on my screen every week.

But, if you want to scapegoat someone – I’m afraid you gotta scapegoat her. While TNT has a bad record with popular sci-fi shows (ANYTHING done by JMS), they’re rightfully scared of producing a TV show with her in it. Cause she’s a booze hound (can’t put the booze down!). They might have renewed the show if she didn’t spend half this season in a rehab clinic. Still, it’s a dumb decision since they only made like 13 goddamn episodes a year. You couldn’t do another 13? It ain’t THAT hard.

As for Farscape, what can I say? It’s the only damn show on Sci-Fi worth watching. Unless you consider “Stargate: SG1” good programming. Which maybe it ONCE was, but that’s jumped the shark some time back. Farscape is no question the best damn sci-fi show on TV.

Wait, correct that. It’s the best damn GENRE show on TV today. I personally think, after watching “Buffy: Season 6”, that it’s soooooo much better than even that show.

So Sci-Fi gets retarded and cancels it. I guess to make room for more "Stargate" or "The Dead Zone" or whatever. Just keep sending letters and emails and signing petitions, and hopefully UPN (which seems to save all of the decent sci-fi shows that get cancelled) will pick it up. Or, at the least, Showtime will. Somebody. It’s too good a show not to get at least one more season.

Lain: It’s partly my fault for not being my usual blunt self. Here, in plain English: I. Don’t. Like. You. I doubt I ever will. And no matter how many times you explain away your comments from a year ago, I still won’t believe you. You may now go cry a river of tears because some schmuck hundreds of miles away isn’t enamored with you.

Gunjack: No. For half a second way back when, I thought about it, and I just decided – screw it. As I thought about what kind of reconciliation might be made, I came to a realization – deep down, I just don’t really want it after all.

Total surprise, I know.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 13, 2002 09:54:15 PM
IP: 207.172.11.148

Sorry for the double post, but here we go again ...

... Janet Reno is calling for statewide recounts of the ballots after she was defeated in Florida's primary election.

I miss Florida ... ;)
Ravyn - [<--Clicky for news story]
Friday, September 13, 2002 06:43:54 PM
IP: 150.135.118.4

Josh> Good luck on the GRE!! :)

Renee> Welcome to the CR! :) As for the only other one with kids besides Christine ... as far as I know, I think you are. ;) Well, besides Jennifer Anderson, who pops in here once in a blue moon ... so until the rest of us start breeding (which is a scary, frightening thought!) I think you're one of a few! :)

Fanfiction.net> Kind of like a business, it's unfair, but they can make their own rules (however silly those rules may be) ... so there's no guarantee of "Free Speech." I think they're trying to avoid complaints in a rather silly way ... and it will end up being their loss, as I think it's fair for paying members to ask for refunds for them changing their services abruptly and without warning. Just because I'm curious, Mooncat and others ... let me know if they *do* give y'all refunds, or if they hassle you about it, okay? :)

Interesting happenings on that Florida freeway thing ... even though I guess nothing really came of it. I miss Florida sometimes ... :)

SJ> Hey, nice to see you again! :)

Iraq> Wow, what a mess. Since I doubt anything that we say in here about it really is going to affect any decisions on the matter, I really don't think we should be attacking each other and stuff. I like the debates, but please, try not to get personal and insult each other. As for my opinion? I support war on Iraq, but *only* if it's done right, with a clear plan in advance, especially with a plan about what the heck is going to happen with the country if Saddam *does* go. I think that Bush is calling for war so loudly because he obviously knows something we don't about Iraq, probably from the intelligence community. I wish he'd share what he knows with the U.S. citizens and the rest of the world, but I don't think he'd call so loudly for war unless he knew something important. As for the United Nations ... I'm particularly insulted with some of the things Kofi Annan said about Bush's speech. While he could have just said he disagreed, he insulted Bush and America. Wish I could find the link I had yesterday to his comments ... ah, well. :(

TV Shows> WB cartoons are having their series premiere this weekend ... hee hee ... just let me sit down and watch my Jackie Chan Adventures, Yu-Gi-Oh (sadly, I've quickly gotten hooked on this show, after I promised I wouldn't ...) :) Pokemon (although it's gotten a little monotonous lately ... give me more yummy Jessie and James scenes!!!!), and X-Men Evolution. As for Birds of Prey ... I remember Coyote trying to explain the premise of this one while I was back in Michigan with him ... but I've already forgotten most of it. Sorry, sweetie! ;) Can anyone tell me what it's about? Meanwhile ... add me to the list of people who hates TNT. Mostly because of Ted Turner. ;)

Coyote> Hiya, wonderful! :) **hugs**
Ravyn
Friday, September 13, 2002 06:36:23 PM
IP: 150.135.118.4

Green Baron> <<Ted Turner is about as anti-Catholic as you can get, unless you count Bob Jones and Jack Chick.>> I went to school a few miles from Bob Jones University. And boy do I have *stories*... <snicker>
Foxfire - [foxfire@sc.rr.com]
Columbia, SC, USA
Friday, September 13, 2002 04:32:43 PM
IP: 165.247.177.84

Normally, I don't post this often, but I look back at what I type and I went to far.

Greg X> I will discuss otehr stuff later, but I do want to offer you and everyone in NYC a sincere apology. I went too far in my comment. I regret even thinking up such a snide crack, because I was wrong to make light of the innocent people killed. I know that at that time, I was worried about my aunt who lives in Manhattan and I was calling to wipe out the Palestinians who celebrated.

If you wish to ban me, feel free to. I doubt it wil change the opinion you ahve of me, but I apologize for making a comment that was and still is very hurtful.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, Germany
Friday, September 13, 2002 02:23:10 PM
IP: 62.104.212.74

Gomen for another post. I kept my rage out of the CR and been a good girl. I just posted my rage onto my Blog.
Spacebabie
Friday, September 13, 2002 01:31:03 PM
IP: 67.25.54.155

Something not really off topic, since some people have been discussing TV shows in here. But because I'm bored and wating for my 12:00 class to start, and because I really have no interest in politics, here are my comments on various TV shows, mostly ones coming back this fall. I'm not one for spoilers, so I don't expect there to be any here.

Witchblade - I really dislike TNT. Back when Crusade aired, I wasn't a Babylon 5 fan at the time, but it still upset me. They keep almost redeeming themselves and then screw it up. They picked up B5 for it's last season and made 4 TV movies. Then they cancelled Crusade before it even had a chance to air. Then they made two Pretender movies, which both kicked ass. Now they say that there is no interest in the show anymore, when I know that isn't true. Then they have a really decent summer show like Witchblade and cancel it. Their reason was something like "we want to kill it because it pulls in ratings." I mean, Witchblade wasn't the greatest TV show ever, but it could be damn good at times, especially in terms of acting (John Hensley is just cool) and cinematography. I'm hoping they might eventually produce another TV movie that tie up the storylines left dragging in the series finale. I always hoped to see other factors from the comic universe, such as the Darkness and possibly Ian's own male Witchblade equivilent, the Excalibur.

Farscape - See, now this *is* one of the best television shows. Ever. Sci-Fi cancels it because it fails to bring in a new audience outside of its rather extensive fan base. That's just stupid. I've read rumors of UPN expressing interest in the show, which would be fine by me. Or even a series of TV movies. I just hope the show goes on, which it might considering the fan outroar at its cancellation. Raelee Hill is a hottie.

Stargate - I've always been a fan of this show. The new season is just fine, I think. It's wierd watching it with commercials, though.

Dead Zone - I've been watching the encores of this on Sci-Fi. I like it. Nicole de Boer is cute.

Monk - OCD is funny.

The Wire - Well, this show is over, but it was damn good. Quality through nothing really happening. It had the feel of Homicide: Life on the Street, a show which I have always adored.

Odyssey 5 - The mid season finale is tonight, but then it starts over from the beginning. If you haven't been watching this show, you *have* to. It's great stuff.

Jeremiah - This has been over for a while, but I really enjoyed it. I've heard that it's been picked up for another year, but nothing official has been announced. I really hope it has been, because cliffhangers suck.

The Sopranos (season 4 premieres 9/15) - I can not wait for this to come back on. As long as they were out, I'm expecting it to be so much better than what has come before, which will be hard to do.

Alias (season 2 premieres 9/29) - This is going to kick ass.

The Practice (season 7 premies 9/29) - While it might be running out of steam, I'm a David E. Kelley fan. He left "Boston Public" to be more hands on with this show, so it should be better than last season (which was only good near the beginning and the end). Whatever happened to Rob Livingston, anyways? He just kind of disappeared.

Angel (season 4 premieres 10/6) - Yeah, this is going to be cool, despite the absense of David Greenwalt from the show. Joss Whedon just knows how to tell good stories, so I'm excited.

Boston Public (season 3 premieres 10/21) - Jason Katmis (the guy who developed Roswell) is taking over as show runner. I'm interested to see what he does with it.

Girls' Club (series premires 10/21) - Like I said, I like David E. Kelley. If it doesn't completely copy Ally McBeal, I might keep watching past the first few episodes. I like Chyler Liegh.

Third Watch (season 4 premires 9/30) - I've just gotten into this show from the repeats on A&E. I'm planning on recording the new episodes until I'm caught up with the repeats. Damn good show so far.

Crossing Jordan (season 2 premires 9/23) - I like Jill Henesy. I like Jerry O'Connel. I will watch. Or rather, I will record and watch later because I have class on Monday nights.

24 (season 2 premies 10/29) - I'm curious to see if they can pull this off again without a slump in the middle of the season. Should be interesting.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (season 7 premies 9/24) - This will kick ass. Unlike most people, I liked last season, so I'm anxious to see what happens.

Gilmore Girls (season 3 premieres 9/24) - I usually record this and watch it later. It's a funny show. Good writing. Nice acting. Alexis Bledel is cute as hell.

Smallville (season 2 premieres 9/24) - I'm a comic geek, it's true. And this show is pretty decent. I'm hoping they go more into the Superman mythos this season. We'll see. Michael Rosenbaum deserves some type of award.

The West Wing (season 4 premieres 9/25) - I just got into this show. I like it. It's funny. Martin Sheen should really be president.

Birds of Prey (series premieres 10/9) - Like I said, I'm a comic geek. This seems something like an Elseworlds tale, with mixed continuity of pre and post-Crisis DC Universe. It should be interesting to see what their take on it is.

ER (season 9 premieres 9/26) - I think this is one of the greatest shows ever. If they hadn't of made me watch Mark die, I might not be as upset. But I'm excited that it will be around for a few more years.

Firefly (series premieres 9/20) - Joss Whedon is a god. This show looks cool, as long as FOX keeps their hands off of it.

John Doe (series premieres 9/20) - This looks like a cross between The Pretender and The X-Files. It looks good, but I'm always catious about new shows.

And that's all. If you've taken the time to read all of this, you might want to re-examine your position in life.
Alan Coleman Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, Texas
Friday, September 13, 2002 12:36:30 PM
IP: 204.158.147.205

Lynati: <*hands over a fire-proof suit* sorry about the heat.> You got to me just in time. I was starting to singe around the edges. :) <Welcome to the CR.> Thanks. Flame-wars and all, I like what I've seen so far.

DPH: <Let me give you an indirect answer: "Unions" occured in late November 1999.> Okay, so I guess I'll have to go reread that episode to see what you're talking about.

Besides Christine, am I the only one with kids?

Renee - [renees.prater@verizon.net]
Montclair, CA, USA
Friday, September 13, 2002 12:32:53 PM
IP: 67.224.56.133

hugs Spacebabie and takes a piece of cake. ::nummy!::

I was so good! ::purrs:: I totally ignored SJ's silly flamebait. I now just toss his comments in the same "ignore" bin that Howard Stern falls into. =)

Thanks for the Witchblade link.

Kathy and Christine and anyone else who mentioned it, yup fanfiction.net can make whatever rules for their site they want. It is after all *their site*. I totally agree with that. That said, fanfiction.net better give me back *my money* which went to support that site, which I paid to help keep a nice home for my NC17 fics.

Fanfiction archive can fall off the net for all I care. It's not like there is a dearth of fan fic archives, for all genres and ratings. While I did like the nice PHP stuff sorts and searches for the reader, and the review function, Fanfiction.net's real and foremost appeal was the convenience it provided by being one huge archive where you could find ALL genre/rated fics -- by cutting off whole genres and ratings of fan fic types, that convenience disappears.

It's like a super Walmart that suddenly starts chucking whole departments. Maybe it's just the toys section that goes, then it's the bedding, next it's sporting goods... pretty soon a person is just inclined to go to specialty stores carrying the things they like, rather than go to a gutted Walmart that carries only clothing and garden supplies. Why bother? There are plenty of other clothing and garden stores out there that are closer to home.

*shrugs*

If nothing else, it's kicked me into gear to revamp my personal website. So I can look at this as a cloud with a silver lining.

Well, I finally got my shipment of the entire GOR series. Well, imagine my pleasant surprise when I discover it's not outright sleazy drek, as I half feared. It's actually kind of cool in a vintage sci-fi/fantasy way, with a very late 60s to 70s kind of feel. It's like old star trek with an additional dose of misogeny.

Gor is also a lot tamer than I was led to believe by commentry I've found on the net. I've only browsed through them so far, opening the in the middle at random and just reading a few chapters. I already have offers for them, so my initial investment of $250 plus shipping is safe. ::sighs with relief:: I'm going to read them first, for reference, then sell them. There are 25 books, but most are on the short side. They look like a breezy read.

Got ALL my notions and stuff for my Ren Fair garb *^_^* woo hoo! Me and my friend Lily have it all set that on Sundays we'll work on costumes. We have a mentor, and I have my house all nice and picked up so we'll have room to work in. Yay!!! Got a great deal on some gorgeous blue brocade. All together, the materials for *both* our costumes (I'm buying Lily's as her Christmas and b-day presents)came under a hundred bucks. Happy dance!!! Considering what a full blown Ren Faire costume costs commercially, this is a great savings.

They are repaving my park! Yay!!!! No more tripping and nearly spraining the ankles on warped walking paths while I do my daily exercise! It's all so nice and smooth...

::purrsss::

okay, hungry now... later!
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Friday, September 13, 2002 12:27:09 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Well, well, well
Certainly a lot of talk about possible war with Iraq. I have an opinion on this too which I'll get to later. I did want to respond to Mooncat's post on Witchblade.

Mooncat> I don't think TNT's decision was solely based on a dislike for SF/F. To use what little marketing I learned, the warrior princess market is oversaturated. Last season you had Buffy, Dark Angel, Alias, Charmed and Witchblade. Dark Angel's been cancelled and Charmed has moved to Sunday. Plus the warrior princess format has to compete with the 'Single Woman' shows; Gilmore Girls, Judging Amy, Providence, and a slew of new ones this season. Some shwos aren't going to make and I think Pezzini going to be one of the casualties.

War with Iraq>
I'm against it. I don't think this is something the US can do properly. There is too much politics, too much money and too much ego for this situation to be resolved well.

First, lets lay some things on the table. The US is not in the business of freedom and democracy when it comes to foreign policy. Its good rhetoric for drumming up support, but the US cares less about world freedom and democracy than it does for its interests. The Gulf War wasn't just about sticking it to Saddam, it was about restoring a monarchy to its country. When college students in China held a demonstration to give democracy a chance, the government was silent when the tanks rolled in. As others have pointed out, the US and other colonial powers have in the past undermined or ignored attempts at democratic reform if it suited their own agenda. Was America intentionally going to to screw thy neighbor? No, it was pursuing its own interests, just like every other country. I say this because there is a lot of moralizing about this issue. Whether its right to leave a selfish thug in power or to take him? That its better to put in a democracy; give power to the people? I think if we act on moral impulses of right and wrong we are going to forever disappointed. This is going to be made based whose agenda will be served the most by this.

Personally, I think it serves the Bush administration the most. It gets corporate fraud off the front page, it boots stagnating stock prices and its the perfect emotionally charaged topic for this years election.

Kaito mentioned that a war with Iraq wouldn't serve Bush in the 2004 election. I agree that it, but what about 2002. I kept spinning in my head the need for urgency. Why now? Why ramp up the sabre-rattling this summer? Then I saw the first political ad campaigns for the CA governorship. The election! It does two things, first it takes the focus off of corporate corruption, which would have featured prominately in campaigns. But it also directs the debate into an issue that plays on emotion rather than evaluation. Support the President on this issue and candidates can portray themselves as Pro-security, (tough and manly) Go con on the issue and your opponent can protray you as weak. It's even more critical for incumbents this elections, since many up for re-election were from the Republican resurgence in 1994. Remember that Contract with America and all that. When the economy is stalled incumbents face the one real issue that can sink a re-election bid; "Are you better off now than you were a term ago?"

Here are some terms I would be interested in before we went to war with Iraq. 1) Will Saddam Hussein be deposed? 2) How will the power vacuum be addressed? Kaito is righ that was one of the reasons Bush Sr. gave for leaving Hussein in power. But in all the rhetoric, I haven't heard how the situation has changed that this power vacuum won't occur. 3) Share some hard facts and intell on Iraq's situation. Does anyone else feel right about sending troops into an area with only rumor as guide what the enemy might be carrying. There MAY be chemicals weapons, MAY be biological and nuclear weapons. Well, I want to know is there or isn't there. We are putting soldiers in harms way, I think they deserve to know what they are up against. I think the American public should know what they are up against. Speculation does not take the place of solid facts.

Those are the practical reasons I can think of at the moment. I don't think the world will become any safer with Saddam out of the picture. I'm sure many will disagree. But I did want to move the argument back to pragmatic waters. Kaito mentioned that foreign policy during the Cold War was often a choice of the lesser of two evils. I think that holds true today. I just hope that one day as a people we mature enough to own up to it. We make the best choice from the available alternatives and live with the consequences.

*Tosses two pennies in the box*
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:57:25 AM
IP: 24.205.116.31

Can't believe I missed these.

GB> <<Witchblade made a nasty little episode portraying Pope Pius XII as a friend of Hitler>> Well, isn't that true? <<Well, they weren't all innocent. Imagine how many Hillary voters went up in smoke on Sept. 11.>> Why don't you come to New York, go to Ground Zero, and say this to the hundreds who visit it everyday. Come on. I'm sure it will be very amusing.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:57:13 AM
IP: 216.179.5.254

*bounces in will a ball of yarn and a peice of bread with nuttella on it hanging outta her mouth...mubbles through mouth full of food* What'd I miss....notta :oP still going on about the same thing "snore"

Green Baron <> Well then book me for your funeral and I'll sing it ;o) (be warned I'm an alto) but don't go passing away too soon I think alot of ppl in here like you!

*Gabriel <<If anyone has any desire to keep in contact with me>> I Still wanna talk wif u!! and your right this is a stupid thing to get mad over.

Silvadel <<that is MY icon =) I started using it what year and a half two years ago[time is so hard to judge sometimes]... Will be confusing to people to see 2 people using it>> Kiss my bum I'll use if I want to, I don't see your name one it :oP

DPH: You didn't even say hi to me or anything, everyones ignoring what I posted so why do I even bother? :o(

Gside<<Everyone tends to say "We rule," Americans just tend to PR machine to let everyone know about it.>> yeah that may be true but I still think no one really gets the point that bragging is stupid and can get ppl mad for no reason. Far be it from me to say that Americans haven't be the most intelligent about tact and what not. *listening to the Asshole song and grins* no thats funny!

Sevarius Jr<<how much I hated Canada >> aw thats too bad we "put up" with you ;o) <<Save Farscape, everybody>> WHAT ARE THE GONNA DO WITH FARSCAPE??? I LOVE THAT SHOW!! :o( BASTEREDS not going to keep going with a kick ass show. SCUM!*WAILS* THEY CAN'T DO THIS TO ME!!*sobs* the characters are so COOL!

Mooncat <<Witchblade too could use a little fan support >> I've never even heard of it...

Kaioto <<The embargo does not .....blah blah blah ect...>>Put a sock in it will ya...*rolls eyes* sheeeesh!

Greg Bishansky <<If this is about "Dogma" then I have one thing to say. Get the fuck over it. It's just a movie. No one made you see it. Oh, and the writer and director is a devout Catholic btw.>> LOL its too bad that the "stuck up (only our way is the right way) catholics" don't see that movie for its real value, it gives the main points for having a religion or beleiving in something, actualy I give it two thumbs up and a great big shinny star! Not for the odd, really funny, stupid, humor but for the message in it. And if you don't get the message don't get mad! WATCH IT AGAIN! LOL ;o):oD

Aaron<<And god damnit, would you all stop debating geo-political reality >> Right on you give 'em hell!! LOL

oh and like I said if the world not coming to an end don't bother me I got a life to live ;o) BUBYE LUV YAs...don't throtle unless necessary :oD and have a good. LOL

*joins Spacebabie at the "tea table of peace"* mmmmm nummy food *grins and helps her self*

Phire_Kat
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:36:02 AM
IP: 65.93.75.153

FRELL!

Now you can click the linky

Brain not working right...oy
Spacebabie - [<<<-----Save Witchblade]
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:32:52 AM
IP: 67.25.54.155

Enters the CR carrying a large platter of lava cakes and a container of ready whip . She sits down at the Tea Table of peace.

Fanfiction.net. Don’t have any fics there and I’m not planning on putting any fics there now.

Right now there is a Terrorism investigation on a Florida highway. Turn into to CNN or Foxnews or something.

My mother rented Fellowship on VHS and finally watched it. We both agreed that when they film the third Harry Potter the Dementors would probably look a lot like the ring wraiths. She kept asking me all these questions and I finally told her to ask her husband. He’s the Tolkien expert.

Lady Mystic>>> A small suggestion . How about we add Greg Weisman’s birthday into the calendar

Firestorm<<<Ok, now I know you are a fake! There CAN'T be a very stacked woman in this fandom!>>>I was born in Texas and you know what they say about Texas right?<<<really, what are the frelling odds?>>>Like that wasn’t done deliberately!!!

Lain<<<so, instead.. im taking star trek. yes, my friends. my university is offering a course in the study of star trek.>>>Only in Canada!!!!! Well I can believe it. UCF offered a sci fi lit course and I took it.

Jen>>>Tis a lovely pic.

Green Baron<<<I'll vote for Jeb, too.>>>Yay more for our side.

Aaron<<<Nah, not the way my mom cooks.>>>Does she cook the traditional southern way?

Lexy<<<Now when have I _ever_ done that?>>>At every gathering you have been too?<<<As for the weather, it _was_ wicked humid,>>>Ah normal<<<But it wasn't so bad at all:) I like rain.>>>I don’t mind the rain either…it’s the thunder that I have problems with.

Stephen>>>I hope everything works out for the best.

Gside<<<Not quite what I meant. I believe I have the theory pretty well, I just need someone to assist.>>>:::Gives Gside a Demona blow up doll:::

Josh Now that was a rant. Sorry it woke you up early. And who said we deserved it? Oh yeah you go to Berkley. You have to deal with those idiots every day.<<<Clearly, you do not deserve to vote.>>>I’m not voiting cause he has a hot son. I’m voting for main political reasons. Like the fact he is harder on criminals than the previous governor, and Hey at least I know how to vote.<<<Don't we all?>>>I don’t.<<>>Is their a job to test the sproingyness of women’s breasts?<<<Doesn't matter, he still needs a partner.>>>I gave him the blow up doll.<<<I've been told that on occasion.>>>You should try some of my dad’s lasagna. Best stuff outside of Italy and New York<<<That explains a lot.>>>Yeah, aint I sick.

Rene>>> Patience Grasshopper

DPH<<<Besides that, my brain always works fast, just when I'm sleepy, the typo rate starts going through the roof.>>Okay I know I know. Have a good weekend.

Christine<<<Of course, since I already had the hardback and didn't shell out the bucks for the new one, I couldn't get a "signing ticket" and therefore no autograph.>>> Awww man that blows.<<<Oh, for the day I'm that famous!>>>>Well to us you are

SJ<<<But I’m working to be a better person, so I deleted all of that.>>> Good boy :::Hugs him:::<<<Save Farscape, everybody:>>> and this is a hug from my dad.<<<Well, screw me,>>>Jeez aren’t you forward?<<<Oh, that’s so fucking funny.>>>:::Sticks a bar of soap into his mouth<<<Well, fanfiction.net, you so totally RULE>>> That’s it your getting a spanking!

Mooncat>>>http://www.petitiononline.com/Legion11/petition.html Is the Witchblade petition.

Gunjack<<<red and green... there's symbolism here…>>>Christmas?

Spacebabie - [<<<-----Save Witchblade]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:27:30 AM
IP: 67.25.54.155

All right, everybody freaking simmer down until I can read back through this and figure out what everybody said.

And god damnit, would you all stop debating geo-political reality when there are important things like fanfic.net's decision not to carry pr0n on the table.

(And that's only a quasi-joke. Geo-politics might be more important in the long run, but damned if the two dozen of us in here have much of an impact on it)

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, September 13, 2002 11:11:01 AM
IP: 66.142.70.253

GB> <<Miramax bashing Catholics left and right. I hope Disney dumps them.>>

If this is about "Dogma" then I have one thing to say. Get the fuck over it. It's just a movie. No one made you see it. Oh, and the writer and director is a devout Catholic btw.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, September 13, 2002 10:52:17 AM
IP: 216.179.5.254

re: fanfiction.net > like Kathy said, it is their site and their rules. Might've been nice if they'd handled it a little differently and given some warning to the authors before the blanket announcement, but I can see their point (though, sorry, I do get a snicker about SJ cheering what essentially is just another form of censorship, which is one of the things he usually complains about ... I guess it's okay when it affects people he despises <g>).

It is a shame that the folks at fanfiction.net felt compelled to do this, because it does cut off an entire segment of fanfiction that is -- and yes, I'm going to say it even though I know it makes some squawk in disapproval -- just as valid as any other form of fanfic. But in the end, it's their decision. Just as it's their decision to ditch the stories involving real-life celebs and personalities (wonder if this means bye-bye to my Iron Chef story?).

The fanfic.net staff are the ones who have to deal with the fallout. And yes, parents should be attending to their children instead of expecting the schools / internet / television / gaming industry / music industry / media to do it for them, but come on, how often does THAT really happen? Sometimes I think I'm one of the only parents in the world who does, and since I let my kid watch horror movies, I may not be the best example (I watch them _with_ her, though, which should count for something).

Anyway, while I'm personally a little dismayed by this (since approximately 20% of my stories will go -- but only 20% because incredible as it may sound, not _everything_ I write is smut), I understand where they're coming from. Maybe I'm more blase about this because I haven't put any money into it; if I had, and they changed the terms of services provided, yeah, I'd react just like I would if our dish service provider axed a bunch of channels.

But since I don't have any cash on the line, and all I'm losing is the time it took to wade through their increasingly complex and irritating submission process, I just have to say c'est la vie. So we naughty writers are once again relegated to the back alleys and not considered fit for polite company. Nothing new there.

I'm just tired of having to fight for acceptance or justify my writing to people who don't, and will not ever, see eye-to-eye with me on it. There are plenty of other people who will. The rest, well, it's their loss. Or their gain if that's how they want to see it.

Come over to Literotica.com instead. (click)
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, September 13, 2002 10:47:12 AM
IP: 65.239.13.46

Typo gremlins >

That should have read "we shouldn't be a bully"
kathy
Friday, September 13, 2002 10:20:04 AM
IP: 66.32.99.58

A greeting to all this fine day.

Heather> My stepmother countered with me being deprived for not seeing much of the countryside.

<<We're all going to have our prom in the cafeteria this year probably....>> It's cheaper, but more convenient to hold it soemwhere better. Did you expect the team to win? My HS was better in that regard at least :)

<<OH! My parents told me if President Bush starts to attach Iraq... No Italy for me...>> I am not surprised. Personally, I think that's an over reaction. If things get too bad, the Italy trip will be cancelled by the sponsors themselves.

Patrick Toman> <<After all, it worked for the Nazis, it worked for the Communists, and it worked for the Taliban. Or at least it did for a while.>> It works for lots of people, like all the crybabies who feel oppressed when someone prays the rosary on the steps of an abortion clinic, or the selectve sensitivity, like Miramax postponing Gangs of New York to be sensitive about September 11, but no such effort would be made in Miramax bashing Catholics left and right. I hope Disney dumps them.

As for SJ, you really shouldn't react to him as you do. He does all hsi comments for reaction. I imagine SJ will go on a website full of puritanical, semi-educated "Christians" who despsise organized religion and espouse veiws very pro-erotica just to push the same buttons. SJ is getting a good laugh out of this. I could see him doing a minstrel show at the Apollo to rile people if he wouldn't get killed in the process.

Mooncat> Witchblade made a nasty little episode portraying Pope Pius XII as a friend of Hitler who gave the Witchblade to the Fuhrer. I am surprised TNT would dump them, since Ted Turner is about as anti-Catholic as you can get, unless you count Bob Jones and Jack Chick.

SJ> <<Oh, that’s so fucking funny.

Well, fanfiction.net, you so totally RULE>>

I figured that would bring you in. So, how is Law School? Did you get Georgetown?

<<In my continuing effort to be a changed person, I deleted a great big post I was gonna put in here yesterday. It was basically several paragraphs of flaming hatred, in which I remarked about how retarded lain was, Gabriel was, how much I hated Canada and how I think they’re the biggest pussy bastards on the face of the planet for not supporting us in our impending campaign against Iraq (but then again, what do you expect of a nation who elects a Frenchman to high office?), and about how I find it just so incredibly unfair in this world that whenever a great tragedy befalls us, it always happens to good, honest people instead of annoying little pacifist pricks like them.>> Well, they weren't all innocent. Imagine how many Hillary voters went up in smoke on Sept. 11. Now, Aaron should have mentioend that in his conspiracy theory.

Gside> <<Everyone tends to say "We rule," Americans just tend to PR machine to let everyone know about it.>> Well, those who are bothered by this are a bunch of victicrats who blame America for being in a backwards country that circumcises its women. Now male circumcision makes a country more advanced than Europe, but female circumcision is just plain sick and even France outlawed it due to its newer immigrants using such a project.

DPH> <<Makes you wonder about that guy's IQ level>> Such people make good cannon fodder :)

Silvadel> I am glad to see you post again. Now, Fanfiction.net is a private organization, so before we compare it to a publicly owned government facility, we can use our individual private sector methods. Petitions are pressure by the private sector. Plus Mooncat has the right answer. Pull her money out. That is how you deal with such problems, with the pocketbook. Personally I wish I had the knowhow and time to host and run an adult fic site. Then, I'd want all otehr fic sites to dump their adult fics, so they'd go to me and I'd be wealthy. I'd host a Gathering at New Orleans and the profit would pay for all of us in the CR family to go for free.

Niamhgold> Now, I imagine you will support Shaheen, but I am glad Sununu beat Robert Smith. Smith barely beat Dick Swett (what a name) last time and Sununu will have a much better chance at winning, plus Smith is a carbon copy of Pat Buchanan and would lose.

Lynati> Anytime. Please feel free to say hi if I talk to you on MSN.

Gabriel> I wished you wouldn't do that. Yolu just need to take it in stride like with my lovely comments.

Spacebabie> Miami-Dade was a contested county as Janet tries a shaky attempt at the primary. Jeb has a better chance of beating her, too.

More Politics: Liddy Dole will run against Erskine Bowles in North Carolina. I think Liddy Dole is a vast improvement over Jesse Helms and I hope to see her as a US Senator.

Now, off to dinner

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, Germany
Friday, September 13, 2002 10:18:50 AM
IP: 62.104.212.91

Hello all. I should be working. Yep, back among the ranks of the employeed here. But I saw a couple of items during my morning skim that deserved comment.

Congratulations to Lexy and Kai. Many, many long and happy years.

Lynati - Happy Birthday to you.

Gunjack re: psuedo-culture - Word. You nailed several things I've been thinking about over the last few days completely.

Fanfiction.net. It's their site. It's a service they provide, but ultimately the site managers have to deal with any grief that results because of it. It's unfortunate and I'll miss the archive but they have to do what they feel like they have to do. For the record, I did sign the petition. I also found that if you go and click on the author's name and bring up a list of their stories you can access all of their work no matter what the rating.

Saddam > To be honest, I'm really tired of listening to the UN talk about how the US should be a bully in this instance. If we hadn't followed their resolution during the first Gulf War and stayed out of Bagdad, we wouldn't be having this debate now and countless lives lost since then would have been saved. But they were going on the principal of the 'devil you know' and we went along. We are and frankly, it's time to do something about it and move on.

Farscape > I'm only into Season 2 and thus a tad behind, but haven't they gone through the kind of cast changes that suggest maybe the show has run its course?

Witchblade > When are they putting it out on DVD?

And now, a good weekend to you all, I'm going back to work.

Cheers,

kathy
Friday, September 13, 2002 10:18:45 AM
IP: 66.32.99.58

Gunnjack:

<<As I recall, we called on the people of Iraq to rise up against Saddam during the Gulf War. When they did, we turned our backs and left them all alone to be ground under by Saddam. Then, we plunked down an embargo that starves them mercilessly. >>

Now, this claim here is bunk, sir.

The embargo does not starve them mercilessly. Saddam does. There is enough money, food, and medicine in that country to take care of the people, but he chooses to withhold it from them. That's why he's evil. Claiming that knowledge that he would hurt his own people and blaim the embargo (even though Saddam has proven willing to hurt his people no matter how much money he has) does not mean that what Saddam claims is true. He, not the embargo, starves the Iraqi people.

Plenty of medicine and food flows into Iraq every year under the terms of the embargo. Saddam simply pockets it through control of distribution channels and taxes. He started doing this after he lost the Persian Gulf War in order to rebuild his rule and bring his people back under control.

If we lifted the embargo, the people Saddam now chooses to starve would have enough to eat? Horse-hockey. They wouldn't see a red cent of it, unless you believe in some sort of crazy version of Trickle Down Economics where you pump so much money into the country that the dictator won't or can't steal it all.

Saddam chose to starve his people, why should we believe he'll change his ways if we - give him what he wants - despite violating all the terms of teh UN resolutions that ended the Persian Gulf War in the first place?

<< We KNEW they couldn't take out Saddam by themselves. We KNEW that the embargo was doing nothing to harm Saddam, but we left it up anyway out of (I suppose) a sense of foolish pride. >>

Actually, the embargo went up mostly to keep Saddam from being able to spend oil money on weapons materials. It has worked to some extent, but not very well. Still, the embargo is what the anti-war crowd insisted we use instead of military occupation and reconstruction. I personally think it was a bad call. We should have booted Saddam and let the peasants build their own government under the protection of the UN.

But, ultimately, many people are completely ignorant that the driving reason Saddam is still alive and in power isn't Iraq, but Iran. Saddam has been permited to keep his position because of fear that the power-vacuum it would create would let Iran forces take over the country. 2 Crazy dictatorships that hate eachother is usually better that 1 HUGE crazy dictatorship with no other enemies but you and a HUGE chunk of the world's oil under its belt.

<< So that's twice we've screwed the Iraqis. No wonder they support Hussien: he may be the devil, but the angels all abandoned them. He's all they have. >>

True, the world abandoned them because they didn't have the spine to sit through a prolongedd occupation. Petty, selfish politics by the UN (of which we are a part) pure and simple.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Friday, September 13, 2002 08:45:03 AM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Baron> Hush you. *sticks tongue out*

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel> I know but it just sounds too human for me about the licease.

Airwalker> I see. I got another question, it seems to me that you defend or explain to people of TGS that aren't in it. Is it? *is just curious*

Alan Coleman Waltrip> A gargoyles lawyer? Maybe we can Baron up for that. *grins*

Lady Mystic> Thanks for putting my bio up.. *sees the jobs page* Oh thank you... EVERYONE in the words need to know I don't have a job.

Just a rant, you know all of those people that were a "team" for our school elections? Well.... they ALL won. All of the juniors are mad because Dan didn't win. Great, Busbee (Jock Idiot) is our Student Body President? We're all going to have our prom in the cafeteria this year probably....

OH! My parents told me if President Bush starts to attach Iraq... No Italy for me... Nooooooo....

Again, next week, me got surgery on my teeth to remove a tooth that hasn't came down in THREE years! So I'll be sleepy-bye for that weekend. No Robby? No phone-call? Noooooo....
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Rbins, GA, USA
Friday, September 13, 2002 08:42:19 AM
IP: 168.10.192.5

SJ > Yes, I figured you'd be happy. I know it's a tremendous victory for you and the others like you in this fandom every time another web site forsakes Free Speech and cowtows to censorship and the outraged cries of the intolerant few who are incapable of policing their own children. After all, it's simply outrageous in this day and age to be expected to know what your kids are doing or be responsible for your own actions and have the sense to not look at something if you personally don't happen to like it. No, it is better to enforce minority standards of morality on all, and steadily chip away at everyone's rights. After all, it worked for the Nazis, it worked for the Communists, and it worked for the Taliban. Or at least it did for a while.

But I digress. Thank you for posting. There was a short list of people in my head who I knew were going to rejoice over this just on principle, and I was wondering which one of you would be the first to come in here and celebrate by dancing on fanfiction.net's grave. All in all, seeing that really caps off a long couple of days full of intolerance, selfishness, and insensitivity.
Patrick Toman
Friday, September 13, 2002 06:42:42 AM
IP: 67.38.251.209

Besides Farscape, Witchblade too could use a little fan support because TNT in it's great wisdom has decided to cancel it's highest rated show.

To connect this to Gargoyles, Witchblade is also set in NEW YORK and features a strong female cop who battles for justice against strange and supernatural and sci-fi style strangeness.

So far the petition to protest fanfiction.net's new policy is over 3000 sigs and counting.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Friday, September 13, 2002 04:20:23 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Dangit, SJ, why ain't I on that list? Now I'm feeling all left out... Oh, and the season reminded me... you ever going to send that explanation I asked you for way back when?

red and green... there's symbolism here...
Gunjack "Headless Wonder" Valentine
Friday, September 13, 2002 02:13:46 AM
IP: 192.133.129.3

there are just some things ill never understand..

if youd like to send me an email detailing exactly why you think my opinion that its incredibly disgusting and wrong to sell merchandise with shameless reference to the spilled blood of innocents, or that any nation should rush headlong into battle just because you say so, (as these are really the only opinions ive espoused in here lately) is "retarded" id really REALLY be interested in hearing from you.

:)
lain
Friday, September 13, 2002 02:10:16 AM
IP: 65.93.75.153

Well, screw me, I missed this one. And I’m not so totally reformed that I can’t gloat at something:

<<Today, Sept 12th, fanfiction.net announced they are no longer hosting fiction with adult content. On Oct 12 all NC17 fictions will be purged from fanfiction.net……

Words cannot describe the shock and upset this is causing me and countless other fan authors and readers. I suggest if there are stories you are following on fanfiction.net that are rated NC17 or even hard R, to go and download them while you can.>>

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Oh, that’s so fucking funny.

Well, fanfiction.net, you so totally RULE.

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 13, 2002 02:04:19 AM
IP: 207.172.11.148

In my continuing effort to be a changed person, I deleted a great big post I was gonna put in here yesterday. It was basically several paragraphs of flaming hatred, in which I remarked about how retarded lain was, Gabriel was, how much I hated Canada and how I think they’re the biggest pussy bastards on the face of the planet for not supporting us in our impending campaign against Iraq (but then again, what do you expect of a nation who elects a Frenchman to high office?), and about how I find it just so incredibly unfair in this world that whenever a great tragedy befalls us, it always happens to good, honest people instead of annoying little pacifist pricks like them.

But I’m working to be a better person, so I deleted all of that.

So I decided to throw myself into a better cause.

Save Farscape, everybody:

http://www.farscapeworld.com/helpfarscape.shtml

Sevarius Jr. - [sevariusjr@hotmail.com]
Friday, September 13, 2002 01:56:22 AM
IP: 207.172.11.148

***** TGS CR INFORMATION *****

The introductory paragraph from the home page of CR Information was slightly edited and moved to the rules page. A link to this page has also been added right under the home page logos in the hopes that newcomers might notice it and actually visit the page.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/rules.html

2 new CR member profiles:
Bronx - http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/bronx.html
Heather - http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/heather.html

1 revised CR member profile:
dph - http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/dph.html

As usual, stats pages and calendars were updated accordingly, including the addition of a new stats page concerning members' occupations. Additionally, the links on the CR Members index page were rearranged due to importance, and the listing of the graphical and text based months on the calendar page was redesigned.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/calendar/
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/jobs.html

Several CR image requests have been added to the list of pic requests. I am already in the process of creating CR pics from TGS illustrations to meet a few of these requests.

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/request_list.html

***** END TGS CR INFORMATION *****
Lady Mystic
Head Admin of TGS CR Informaton
Friday, September 13, 2002 01:19:36 AM
IP: 66.72.179.195

Imzadi> <<denied any speaker the right to mention god>>: Part of the problem with that is that many other religions use their own names for their dieties and we don't bother saying "All powerful creator of the universe? The translation of that into English is God."
<<They'll use it to get open source software outlawed>>: Nah, just create a way to make people pay for open source.
<<My parents are sending me the plans for the kitchen remodel>>: It's a bargain as long as they don't get you to haul the building materials around. Twice the distance they need to go.
<<You're a loony>>: All right; we'll call it a draw.
<<I'm not going to say what I'm thinking>>: Shame.

Phire Kat> <<their slightly over baring attitude of "We rule!" does get to ppl>>: Everyone tends to say "We rule," Americans just tend to PR machine to let everyone know about it.

And about fanfiction.net, I like my porn. But I don't pay for it.

Silvadel> <<Will be confusing to people to see 2 people using it>>: The colors you use are different enough.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, September 13, 2002 12:42:45 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

Stephen > oh, no ... that's terrible about your vision. You've got all my best wishes and hopes that something can be done.

Patrick > I'm not particularly interested in getting into a word-count contest with the illustrious M. Destine, but if I was, I'd ask how long it took for her to get those 150,000 words ... ; )

Was privileged to see Bruce Campbell tonight. He appeared at a local bookstore touting the paperback edition of his autobiography. Of course, since I already had the hardback and didn't shell out the bucks for the new one, I couldn't get a "signing ticket" and therefore no autograph. But it was fun to hear him read, and get snarky with the fans who asked him the same questions he must've heard a thousand times before. Oh, for the day I'm that famous! <g>

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, September 13, 2002 12:36:52 AM
IP: 65.239.62.188

Wilek - <Lends some credence to the whole Illuminati thing, ne?> Hehehe. Who says what kind of president the USA gets for the next 20 years hasn't been preplanned? I mean the whole thing probably has been calculated to lead us down a certain path. Don't even get me started about whether or not the I Society allowed 9-11-2001 to happen to further their own goals.

I am glad the media is reminding me how long I have been seeing a chiropractor. (For those of you confused, I started seeing a chiropractor on 9-11-2001.)

Renee - <2. Will the events of September 11, 2001 be worked in to any of the series?> Let me give you an indirect answer: "Unions" occured in late November 1999. <1. Will any of the other series be starting soon? Or is the main focus going to be on Timedancer?> Currently, Pendragon and Gargoyles series are doing breakdowns.

Kaito - <Deployment of US troops forces the issue. Either the UN exerts its authority on Iraq and forces them to comply after 12 years of defiance, or they fail to enforce their resolutions and lose their credibility and the US enforces the resolutions instead.> Hmm. *Points finger at Wilek with a tablet with the words "hidden agenda" written on it.* You're right.

Kaito - <For progress, they are at least bothering to do background checks on airport employees now. I find it outrageous that airports didn't know that some of their employees were illegal immigrants or convicted felons. Maybe that will help screen out terrorists and their accomplices, or at least scrutinize the incompetents.> Yea, but it's still outragious how little we pay them. Remember, when it comes to security, lowest bid wins. :-(

Happy birthday Lynati!

Imzadi - <Next is war. I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell I will allow myself to be drafted for this bullsh*t in Iraq.> Convince me that the war *would* last that long. Sure, we'll need permanent troops there for the next T-E-N years, but that's necessary if we want to kick him out. <Ashcroft and crew want to restrict our rights and have us believe its for our own good. Hackers are now "terrorists". They can go to prison for LIFE.> I believe it should depend on the amount of damage done. <And there isn't a limit, either. It starts with one thing, small. Then it gets worse. And worse. Pretty soon, we can't remember what we had.> Well, I believe the US really needed to upgrade its security. <They'll convince the government that somehow its a better idea to "support capitalism and use our totally insecure software because its safer than having everyone look at your code". I don't want anyone controlling how I use my computer but me. We can't allow big businesses to have control of the government.> Technically speaking, Microshaft should be big trouble for knowinglly selling defective products and trying to stop anyone from selling products that *work*. Convince me that Microshaft couldn't place a time-bomb virus in everybody's operating system and pass the results off as a "terrorist attack" on the software.

If you hadn't figured it out by now, I'm catching up for a few days.

Lexy Lund - <Don't know us?> WHen did I say something about that?

Green Baron - <Those are the ones to worry about and it begins to disturb me when soem guy comes in with a little brat and his dumpy wife wanting to cancel his GI Bill saying he'd have no use for College. That is a sad scene and I wish he'd go to the health clinic for a free vasectomy.> Makes you wonder about that guy's IQ level.

Revel - <My father is a fire fighter, events such as what occured one year ago affect me dearly because on any given day he too could be taken away from me, but I do not cry because to him it is a duty and his job> My dad is a volunteer fire chief in a rural area. I don't think a thing about it.

Spacebabie - <Your slipping> Let's just say I have the pages ready right now for this week's story. Besides that, my brain always works fast, just when I'm sleepy, the typo rate starts going through the roof.

Imzadi - <Would it help if I yelled at him?> Hmm. Actually, I would like to have him become uncomfortable trying to open the open because the door is super heated.

Since I will be visiting Gunjack on Saturday (let me know if things work out where I can't visit and I do plan on bringing some change so we can spend a little bit of time hanging out at the arcades), this will probably be my last post until Sunday.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:53:00 PM
IP: 204.94.193.29

The whole nc-17 thing has me thinking of that ad-council commercial in the library where the person asks the librarian about a few books for which they say "We dont carry them anymore" and walks towards the door and is greeted by 2 men who want to ask him some questions... Definitely need to protect our freedoms in all forums.

And Phire-Cat -- that is MY icon =) I started using it what year and a half two years ago[time is so hard to judge sometimes]... Will be confusing to people to see 2 people using it.
silvadel
Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:49:20 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

I've just signed the fanfiction.net petition.

The way I see it, the motivation behind this decision is laziness, pure and simple. Rather than implement a better system of verification than the current pop up window that asks "Are you age 18 or older?" (which of course any 12 year old is going to answer honestly), they've decided just to arbitrarily ban NC-17 rated fic.

And it galls me how they are claiming that this will only affect "a small number" of stories. Just looking at the most current submissions to "Gargoyles" section alone, which currently has over 900 stories posted, 1 out of every 5 or 6 has an NC-17 rating. If that ratio is representative of the entire collection, that's 180 "Gargoyles" fics that will be deleted next month.

Also, I notice that although they are not erasing everyone's hard work until next month, they've already elimated the NC-17 selection in the search feature, making it immediately impossible to even browse the existing stories.
Very rude to say the least. There should have at least been some warning. And for people who paid money for the premium memberships, it seems certainly justifiable to ask for a refund.
Patrick Toman
Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:29:06 PM
IP: 67.38.251.209

Today, Sept 12th, fanfiction.net announced they are no longer hosting fiction with adult content. On Oct 12 all NC17 fictions will be purged from fanfiction.net.

If you are a paying member of fanfiction.net and have NC17 stories on the site or read NC17 fiction on that site, please request a return of your membership fees.

The address for fanfiction.net

support@fanfiction.net

Please be polite, and ask for the return of your money. I already have.

There is an online petition for fanfiction.net to reverse it's new policy is at:

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?KEEPNC17

Don't know how much good it will do, but it's already gotten over a thousand signatures in just the few hours it's been up. Reading the comments is pretty refreshing.

I have been a paying/supporting member of fanfiction.net because of it's marvelous archive that included the entire range of fanfiction, from gen. het to slash and lemon to NC17. The majority of my own work on the site is hard R to NC17. With their new policy, announced just today with No Previous Warnings, I feel they have solicited and taken my money under false pretenses.

Words cannot describe the shock and upset this is causing me and countless other fan authors and readers. I suggest if there are stories you are following on fanfiction.net that are rated NC17 or even hard R, to go and download them while you can.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:07:04 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

*Enters*

current debate: I'm still sorting out my own feelings on this one.

Green Baron, lain: Thank you.

Renee: *hands over a fire-proof suit* sorry about the heat. Welcome to the CR. <1. Will any of the other series be starting soon? Or is the main focus going to be on Timedancer?> We do one series at a time. When this season of Timedancer is over, we'll move on to the next spin-off.

*takes out one last, still-untouched cake, and puts it counter for Fire Storm*
25 tomorrow, right?

*Goes to make a phone call, and to check fanfiction.net*
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:05:05 PM
IP: 66.141.252.58

Patrick- *on your last few comments* Damn strait.
Lexy
Thursday, September 12, 2002 09:51:43 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

:: peeks back in with two more cents ::

For the "peace at all cost even if it means letting Saddam have nukes" side of the debate... please help me comprehend the logic here. If it is true that America is responsible for putting Saddam into power, how does it then follow that this means we should not touch him now? I'm not getting it at all. To me, it would seem to indicate just the opposite is true. If it was our screw-up that put him in power, then we not only have the right, we have the DUTY to remove him now that we realize our error. It'd be no different than, say, the Ford Motor Company recalling a defective automobile, wouldn't it?
:: exits to await the answer ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, September 12, 2002 09:38:44 PM
IP: 67.38.251.209

Josh > I misunderstood you? Funny, those comments sure sounded selfish to me.

Gunjack > I suppose you're half right. For a lot of people, things HAVEN'T changed. Many Americans are still as rude, selfish, and self-absorbed as they ever were.

They are the people who gripe about having to suffer the inconvenience of security measures designed to protect them. They are the people who begrude others a moment of silence, the playing of "Taps," or the ringing of a bell, lest they accidentally be encouraged to think for a minute of others who may be suffering the loss of a loved one rather than the loss of a few minutes sleep.

They are the people who carry on the mindless chant of "ME, ME, ME!" that was invented in the 1980s and perfected in the 1990s. They live by the motto that if doesn't affect ME it must not be important, and if it does affect ME... look out, world. They are the road ragers who honk impatiently at the funeral procession... the cell phone users who yack, yack, yack through the movie... they are the kind of people who will probably never change until something big directly happens to them, never realizing that by that point it may be too late.

For others in America, though, things DID change last September 11. Many of us woke up that day and stopped taking America for granted. Many of us realized that the true heroes and role models who walk among us are not the overpaid celebrities who play guitar, hit home runs, or shoot baskets... they are the underpaid and seldom appreciated policemen, firemen, EMS workers, and soldiers who go out there every day to risk their lives so as to save the lifes of others. Many of us stopped being so selfish and so impatient, and realized that a minute or two of our time is NOT too much to ask to reflect on a moment in time that will forever be indelibly inked on our nation's conscience.
Until 8:46 AM, September 11, 2001, the biggest national tragedy that most people my age had borne witness to was the death of seven astronauts above the Challenger on a cold January morning in 1986. That, too, was a defining moment of sorts, and on its one year anniversary, there was held a ceremony of remembrance. Seven innocent lives lost, and not a word spoken begruding the time taken to honor them and remember. It genuinely saddens me that the same cannot be said of the more than 3,000 innocent lives lost on September 11.

Did 9/11 changed me? Yes. It changed a lot of people. And now that a year has passed, frankly, I'm fed up with the all the people both in this country and abroad who can't or won't respect that.

:: tosses two cents into the hat and exits ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, September 12, 2002 09:11:40 PM
IP: 67.38.251.209

Saddam> OK, looking at this from a purely logistical perspective: The man has chemical and biological weapons (which he uses on his own people), he is trying to develop nuclear weapons, there's every possibility that he was somewhere in back of 9/11, he has as good as told the UN to go frell itself with a corkscrew when they sent in weapons inspectors, and he has quite the nice little hate-on for any nation whose women are not required by law to dress like vampire mummies. And yet, not only is he still in power, there are people in free nations who want him to stay there. I don't even know how to react to this. O_o

I'm told the American government is responsible for putting him there. Whichever rocket scientist made that decision ought to be strung up by his tear ducts and slapped even stupider than he already is. (A task that defines the term "Sisyphean".) The fact that the USA has remained such a wonderful nation despite having people like this at its head is truly and sincerely a miracle of Heaven. Lends some credence to the whole Illuminati thing, ne?
Wilek
Thursday, September 12, 2002 08:54:58 PM
IP: 128.241.245.34

gunjack> <<Again, I ask: what were the alternatives?>>

We went over this breifly, I still stick by taking up the burden of our actions and self-sacrifice and love.

On that note, for the past year I have come in here to only lose my temper, become angry and post damagin posts. I regret almost everything I have done and am tired of being a hypocrite everytime I come in here. My temper is quick, and damage myself whenever I go overboard.

In other words, I'm leaving. I cannot stay here and keep getting in on-line fights. I hate myself everytime I get in a fight since I degenerate into a sefl-righteous hypocrite, which is exactly what I don't want to become. I've made errors, so be it. I apologize for any offences I have caused anyone. If anyone has any desire to keep in contact with me, you can e-mail me for my contact info. on yahoo! and such.

Later. See you all at Gatherings.
Gabriel "gaygoyle" - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 08:03:11 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Gabriel> Now you done made me post. Here is my veiw on Sadaam.

America is at fault. We were wrong. America is responsible for supporting nasty governments and we are bitten for it. In this view, Sadaam Hussein is our responsibility. We are to blame for installing him and fortifying him. We owe the Kurds much as we owe the Iraqis for making them suffer. We also owe the Afghanis for what we did in the 80s by abandoning them after we helped them.

America has a big mess to clean up. Removing Sadaam is a part of this. America must adopt a long-term strategy and present good. I once opposed our action in Kosovo and Bosnia, but now I support it, except for using Brwon and Root. When I go to Kosovo, I'll take part in some good old fashion Key Club/Kiwanis brand Community Service.

The US _and_ Europe palyed around with the Middle East after WWI. We were wrong to do it. America was worng to snub Ho Chi Minh when he asked us to defrog Vietnam. And look what happened. We installed Catsro...big mistake.

I don't argue with you that America is guilty of plenty. We have a big mess to clean up. Now, maybe you don't want Bush there. Fair enough. Still, the UN put the sanction against Iraq. This is the UN mind you, not some US rubber stamp.

I think if we handle Iraq like Afghanistan with lesslittle mistakes we can have Sadaam gone, or he may flee to Cuba with his buddy Fidel Castro, and the Iraqi people especially the Kurds can be given a proper apology. Iraq is a fictitous stae created by Britain, but so was Afghansitan. The US is responsible for establishing the Saudi royal house and establishing the Bin Laden family with Construction deals.

Will the US go into Iraq? Who knows? Maybe. Right now, no. Blair will help us. The Turks will help us, and maybe others will. Germanya nd France will sooner make deodarant a hosuehold good than help us. Other countries in the Middle east may not openly support us, but they will be glad to see him go. Jordan does not like him. Sadaam killed all of the Heshamatites in Iraq. Iran will but we must be careful and avoid the earlier mistake we made in that battle. Turkey may appear cynical and maybe it is good, but I suspect no one think Sadaam is by any means a good leader or a good human being. Turkey of ocurse does not wnat Sadaam in power, for he would go after them eventually. Turkey is a secular state (not how we see secular) and its women can have their heads unveiled. To many radicals, they are traitors and Bin Laden will go after them eventually.

On a side note, my Brigade Commander spoke to us a few weeks ago. He was talking about military service and said he felt everyone should give a few years to the military or the Peace Corps. I thought you might find that interesting, and looking at what I will do in Kosvo, I will be a peacekeeper. I may have my M203, but I hope to never use it, though I am qualified with it in case I do.

Mooncat> I guess it depends on where you go to College. I mainly took Business Courses, but I had a fun Econ in the Media where I got an A on a paper showing the smurfs were Communists :)

Lexy> <<All her friends and family showed up, and they danced to country music in pink inflatable *sp* shoes.>> That sounds awful. I don't know if I will get married, but if I do, no country music..period!!!

Imzadi> <<Aren't all suburban children deprived?>> Mostly, but some are closer to a city and can experience both worlds. I prefer the city.

<<He must also not have any use for a job, or for intellect.>> Intellect no, but I'm too smart for the Army according to plenty, so he may make it a career. But that mentality is just sad. He coudl let his kid have the GI Bill if he does stay in long enough, and College is accessible in the Army. As of Oct 1, most Education offered at military posts will be free for soldiers. When I'm in Kosovo, all courses offered are free for me, even without the change in policy. Now, if only I could start a decent grad school program where I am.

<<SJ said he was attending a college in the DC area.>> I missed that. Liberal DC Law school. Georgetown is very liberal and some would say it isn't really Catholic. Excellent program aside though. George Washington maybe, or he did get a minority scholarship to Howard :)

<<but it was no Pearl Harbor.>> You're right. Pearl Harbor was an Imperialstic move that I find impressive if not thoroghly dishonest, but I do not take it personally that they attacked us. That was business. The attacks on Sept 11 were personal. it was not an attack to neutralize our military in a war, but an attack on us. I can forgive Pearl Harbor as easily as buying a TV, but not Sept 11, even if I take a camel ride :)

<<And those MP's carrying M-16's don't make me feel any better. They make me worried that one could go off accidentally and kill me.>> The safety is on them. Plus the ammo is not in the rifle unless authorized. Often they have empty clips, but the ammo is not far away. They don't worry me, plus I thought MPs had M9 revolvers.

<<I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell I will allow myself to be drafted for this bullsh*t in Iraq.>> You wouldn't accept a draft for a cause you fully supported. I think any fears of a draft are groundless, as it is not needed. The military meets its goals for recruitment. Though I imagien you coudl make some neat military programs on a computer and make a shitload of money.

Phire_Kat> I love Dies Irae. I want that at my funeral.

Kaioto> I still stick to the argument of the US and other decad....err civilized nations cleaning house. If modern Europe and North America make the civilized world, I am glad Attila the Hun is my hero :)

Lynati> Happy Birthday.

<<tis sad. but unfortunately seems true :/ oh. and dont forget selling spider-man with the blood of 3000 innocent americans. thats always good.. :P>> That's an old point you made. I will buy the DVD when it comes out, just because of that :p

<<WOOHOO! come to MY house! they legally CANT draft canadians.>> and how much of hsi incoem would remain after taxes?

<<its that they see you as being the people who PREVENT THEM from having all the stuff. not saying you did, or didnt, or anything other than that (to my knowledge) is THEIR perception of you. hence, they think youre a bunch of bullies and they want to kick your @$$ :P>> Typical. A pity we must prevent them from doing that. And those who think they are justified are no better.

<<i was talking about a little prediction about what would happen if america DID attack iraq. wheres the first place hes gonna send on of those few scuds hes got left? hmm? have a ponder on the implications of that, would you?>> Hopefully Paris, but I doubt that was the answer :)

Gunjack> I think we may find common ground in agreement. As for Bush, I will vote for him considering the Democrats will have some shoddy leftist that I have no common ground with, but I am upset that he imposed a nasty import tarriff especially on steel. Tarriffs are disgusting things and have no place in our modern society.

As for love and hate America. I am not prud to be an American, but I take a certain pride in the uniform and while I may not see any action (even in Kosovo), I am a peacmaker and I pay the sodleirs who do the real action. I make certain their pay si right so they don'ta hve tow orry about it. If I go to Kuwait in removing the Godfather of Iraq, I will do what I can to make certain the soldiers get their proper pay and can focus on sending Sadaam fleeing to his buddy Fidel Castro while we work with the UN and NATO (as tehy appear once we have finished) as America gives the Iraqis a proper apology for Sadaam.

<<No wonder they support Hussien: he may be the devil, but the angels all abandoned them. He's all they have.>> We go in there, I bet tons will defect. Especially since they will get better treatment by our soldiers than Hussein would give them.

Now, I'm off to bed. Goodnight and may this topic remain civil.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Thursday, September 12, 2002 07:54:29 PM
IP: 62.104.212.91

Heh... ook a whole 24 hours before the controversial posts started appearing. I love the smell of propaganda in the morning...

Patrick><<Boo-hoo, let me get a tissue. I'm so sorry the deaths of over 3000 people caused you to be "annoyed" by waking up to a bell tolling.>> I rather think the point was that it was MEANINGLESS.

I read an essay recently that put forward the idea of a Phony Culture, meaning a culture defined by prefabricated and artificial experiences. The arguement went that our generation has had no serious turning point, no hardship, no sacrifices; where previous generations marked time by wars, famines, depressions, assassinations, etc, we break down our lives by fashion and entertainment. Think about it. When you hear someone refer to the sixties, seventies, eighties, or nineties, do you think about world events, or are you reminded of music and hairstyles?

Contemplating this "phony culture" idea, I started out thinking that the cycle of phoniness had been broken by 9/11. Supposedly, the attacks and subsequent "war" were to be a defining moment for my generation, a moment that would restore our lost sense of perspective, and snap us out of the pop-culture stupor we've been living in for the last thirty years or so. On further reflection, though, I don't think it worked.

September 11th was a SYMBOLIC attack. As such, it lacked any meaningful impact on the concrete world. No, 3,000 dead and two major landmarks defaced does NOT constitute a meaningful impact. Our country is not noticably weaker, poorer, or less prosperous than it was before the attacks. In modern terms, the September attacks were merely a rather vicious propaganda stunt.

In any case, our public responce has been equally phony. We have had ceremonies, memorial concerts, "touching" tributes, prayer vigils, and every other grand motion known to man... But what does any of it actually MEAN? The last year has seen a surge in both Faith and Patriotism; suddenly, it's okay to fly the american flag, and to be proud of our country, and even to claim that "In God We trust". What does it MEAN? Absolutely nothing, by and large.

Nothing has changed. We've taken our national character, given it a dusting off and a new paint job, and rejoiced at our solidarity. What we have seen in the last year is REPACKAGING. We take people who ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time, and we call them "heros". Heros for what? We are called on to make sacrifices; this usually means an hour or two more in lines at the airport, not rationing food, water and gasoline or going off to get blown apart by Nazis. In reality, what is expected of us in this time of crisis is that we will IGNORE it on anything but an utterly superficial level. And we have, and the attack had only a minimal effect on us, which is certianly a good thing... But the narcissism that celebrates ignorance as a virtue is distasteful. Better to suffer in silence than to wallow in vanity and self-pity.

To get back to the subject, you find it inappropriate for Josh to complain about a commemerative peal of bells disturbing his "precious sleep". Why? What's the point of ringing bells? The dead are beyond help, and how does ringing bells a continent away help those left behind? Did they do it to remind people of the tragedy? Do they really think anyone has forgotten? No. They rang bells, because they wanted to make a gesture, because they wanted an IMAGE. Patriotism, Faith, concern for fellow man, all are reduced to appearance alone and mass-distributed. It is "Sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I voted for Bush, and if I voted for anyone, it'd be him again. I have a love/hate relationship with America, but it is MINE. I couldn't be happier that we're toppling shoddy dictatorships; I just wish someone would have had the cajones to do it immediately after the cold war, rather than waiting a decade or two. All that aside, I find the current endless spectacle both rediculous and demeaning. And THAT, dear ir, is why I would object to bells.

Kaioto - Howdy Do. Congrats on the marriage, and welcome back to the CR.

Your first post seemed pretty good. I'll have to look into some of this stuff. <<So, in the short-term, only motivations under category #1 are rationally consistant.>> I really don't know about that. I think you've oversimplified things just a bit, and underestimated the potential political victory for Bush. But whatever; we can discuss that another time.

<<Well, you could always go over to CNN and read the laundry-list of charges that were just brought before the UN (human rights violations, theft, weapons programs, failure to comply to international agreements and UN resolutions).>> Yup, Israel certianly has a few things to answer fo- oh, wait, you're talking about IRAQ. My bad. <<The UN has simply been too wrapped up in its individual member's petty interests (and especially China's veto power) to rise above a stern lecture.>> Agreed, and boy does it ever piss me off. I say we kill him dead. Don't even bother with the whole ground offensive; just nail every radar instalation he's got, and start parking bombs in his beds until we get lucky.
<<Let's see, where do Saddam's missiles go assuming we don't bomb his rebuilt installations into the stone age before he's got them ready? Israel, just like last time. Israel knows it, and they still support our actions.>> Double short-sighted. We attack Iraq, Iraq Attacks Israel, Israel comes into the fight on our side, and then no amount of spin in the world can help, cause it WILL be a religious war; Judeo-Christianity vs Islam. There are a number of good reasons why Bush has been trying to keep that from happening.
<<That people from the free world are short-sighted and prejudiced enough to to believe those lies is just pathetic.>> Aww, but it's GO TIME.

So, Saddam has found ways to live with the embargo. That doesn't change the fact that his people have not. It's textbook example of embargo; the common man of the target country suffers, while the people who are causing the problem remain secure. What's the point? I can think of two; either to appeal to the ruler's sense of humanity at his peoples' suffering, or to encourage the people to depose the ruler.
The first reason is laughable. Saddam doesn't care how many of his people die from lack of medicine; in fact, it's a propaganda tool for HIM, as now he can push the blame for his peoples' suffering on an outside source.
As for the second reason... As I recall, we called on the people of Iraq to rise up against Saddam during the Gulf War. When they did, we turned our backs and left them all alone to be ground under by Saddam. Then, we plunked down an embargo that starves them mercilessly. We KNEW they couldn't take out Saddam by themselves. We KNEW that the embargo was doing nothing to harm Saddam, but we left it up anyway out of (I suppose) a sense of foolish pride. So that's twice we've screwed the Iraqis. No wonder they support Hussien: he may be the devil, but the angels all abandoned them. He's all they have.

It could be argued that it is Saddam's job, not ours, to look after the wellbeing of his people. But we KNOW that he doesn't care, and yet we take actions that WILL result in nothing but sorrow for his people, as if hoping that he will somehow undergo a miraculous conversion.

That people in the free world could be short-sighted enough to condone, support, and justify such disasters is what *I* find "just pathetic".

Gabe><<You completley skip over the fact that the US installed Sadaam!>> Actually, no. He mentioned it, and gave it all the attention his POV demanded. What he said is what I say: we installed Sadaam for lack of an alternative, but the REAL injustice is that we have failed to clean up after ourselves.
<<That country was repeatedy attacked because of American communist paranoia.>> It is hard to be "paranoid" about a nuclear-armed superpower bent on forceful domination of the entire world. Yes, there are many things we did wrong during the Cold War, but the situation was FAR more complex than you seem to recognize. I'm no great historian, especially about the sideshows of the Cold War, but I'll say to you what I've always said: if you are going to condemn a course of action, present a reasonable alternative.
<<We wanted global power against the soviets, and now we're just thirsting for more.>> Again, you oversimplify. Let me put it to you this way.

You have a list of crimes America committed during the cold war. I woukld be willing to wager that the Soviet union matched us across the board, item for item, plus a hundred times more and worse besides. You resent America for SUPPORTING governments that did horrible things; the Soviets cut out the middlemen and just did them directly. Again, I ask: what were the alternatives?

...And that's quite enough of that. For now, at least...

Peace, Love, and Dope.
Gunjack "God Will Know His Own" Valentine
Thursday, September 12, 2002 07:28:15 PM
IP: 192.133.129.3

**COMMENTS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**

GREG BISHANSKY - You wrote: [Sorry, but no changes will be made to the story. At some point that story Alan has mentioned may be told, so why destroy the possibility of a potentially great story somewhere down the line?]

Alright. No problem. I was just slightly curious. (In fact going over my last post I do sort of sound like I'm nitpicking and nagging a bit; that wasn't my intention if that is how the post sounded to anyone else. I still think that it is an extremely good, well written story with many shocking moments in it. I just kept bringing up that one point because it was something that really stood out to me.)

You wrote: [Besides, I'm not sure if I can speak for everyone, but I speak for myself here when I say that I don't write these stories entirely for the readers. First anf foremost, I write for me.]

I understand your feeling. But the nature of commenting always ends up with the reader if not getting things the way they imagined it then endless questioning why they didn't end up that way. :-)

While I, like I said, would have personally prefered the minor change to be made, I am equally interested in seeing what story will come out of trying to deal with this point. The main thought that was going through my head when I was reading the comments here is that a story is probably imagined but we aren't going to see it this season which in turn made me think that on its own the way this plot point is brought up is a bit awkward and is begging for a more immediate answer. That was mainly what was driving the thinking behind my endless commenting on it.

You wrote: [Oh, and I was asked by the new leader of the Unseelies to tell you not to refer to him as "Madoc Lite". He hates that. If only you heard him screaming "I'm my own character!" in my head the way he's doing ;)]

Since he's screaming in your head and I wouldn't want you to go insane :-) I'll stop refering to him as "Madoc Lite".

Madoc Jr. it is. :-) :-) :-)

TALEWEAVER - You wrote: [Airwalker mentioned seeing Sata's secret exposed. I'm not sure I'd be. historically, secrets and lies within the clan are anticlimatic by the time they are exposed.]

That is a good point. Although I do hope that in this case we get a deeper reprecussion than we had in the other cases you mentioned. After all here Goliath doesn't have to relent. :-) Instead we have Brooklyn who has a strong personal interest in both Harthoth and Meryt and who might not be willing to relent so easily (although since they are still together in main TGS its obvious that if the secret did get out then at the very least they managed to patch things up somehow - but its possible that it was Sata who relented or at the very least both of them who both have secrets relented at the same time).

You wrote: [But the other repeated themes; another Unseelie war, another wave of anti-gargoyle propoganda based on their monsterous appearence it seems Sata's secret might go the same way.]

I hope that the 20th century themes of the main series don't get recycled out here; some of it might be a little rough adjustment in the movement away from the original Utopia that was being portrayed into the more gritty situation they are trying to bring across now. I hope that the shift of the argument against the future Clan evolves into something more than "you look like monsters/demons" which is a repeat of Season 1 TGS GARGOYLES. And I hope that Madoc Jr. turns out to have different motivation and different battle plans than the Madoc Classic did in Season 2.

You wrote: [I wondered why Sata, a samauri with a code of honor, first seeks to help Meryt then abandons her so she can get home in time to kiss Brooklyn good night.]

It would have been nice to have Meryt herself dismiss Sata after they are captured as part of her generally giving up on everything. If she's willing to go freely and sit in a dark sealed room for 3 years with only the guarentee that Harthoth might let her out then she might be just as willing to force Sata to leave as she is just a reminder of a lost life she can never have.

The problem here is that Meryt's dismissal is sort of implied without being outright stated and makes it appear as if Sata basically has had enough adventures for one day and decided to drop everything and go home. That could use some extra description. In animation the scene would work differently and we would get this visually but since this is written out, an extra line or two would have been nice.

You wrote: [I also wondered why Brooklyn and Persephone think the case is over.]

I could see it this way - years of Timedancing have put Brooklyn in the mindset of "If I don't solve it now then it's not such a big deal; if I get a chance later then I will. Otherwise I'd better find my wife and stick close to her cause I don't know how long I'll be here." And even if he knows that the Gate is stable at this point he might still react subconsciously that way.

Persephone on the other hand should be a bit more suspicious and less dismissive. But on the other hand we don't know what her reaction is later on. She might just pick up on this and was dismissive because she doesn't want Brooklyn involved in it. There is also the possibility as an Avalon Gargoyle that it wouldn't make her as suspicious since she'd never seen messed up Halflings before since she didn't witness the 2nd Unseelie war. If it had been Broadway, Angela, or Lexington then it might have been a different reaction.

You wrote: [The biggest question was Sata's secretly meeting Harthoth.]

I think that on that she first got used to keeping secrets; just as the Clan left her in the dark about the past, she learned to keep them in the dark and at arms length because of that. But also its a sore point with Brooklyn and it might open up questions that neither of them want to answer. And of course there is the entire idea that she might just not want to bring up Egypt at all as a sort of irrational response to the knowledge that he had a life there with Meryt and that she doesn't want him dwelling on it. A bit selfish but at the same time realistic; after all he has just returned after a ten year seperation and I think that she'd want to avoid bringing up anything that might give them cause to further waste anymore time between themselves.

**END OF COMMENTS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, September 12, 2002 05:45:49 PM
IP: 12.88.93.59

kai> my comment arose out of your attitude toward lain calling her ignorant and such. I don't when such insults are thrown against my friends. As if that's not flame-bait!

You completley skip over the fact that the US installed Sadaam! Not only that, they even supported him while he killed his own people! We did nothing because he was giving us what we wanted and were buddy-buddies. Your whole post is nothing more than an indictment against Europe and about how evil they are and how pretty we are. We are just as brutal as Sadaam.

During the Cold-War we toppled guatamala and sent them into hell because they're pseudo-democratic preisdent promised land-reform. For years after we installed a puppet government, they suffered death squads, and citizens who nore any defiance against the gov't disappeared in the night.

Reagan was the biggest terrorist ever. Regean repeatedly oveturned UN orders to not attack Niaragua. That country was repeatedy attacked because of American communist paranoia. Nonetheless, he was hailed as the greatest president committed to freedom. Bull crap.

I don't even have to bring up when the Taliban were once freedom fighters when, in fact, freedom was never their motive, freedom was never our motive. Power was. We wanted global power against the soviets, and now we're just thirsting for more. We installed that puppet-government for our own purposes. We've hardly ever given two-shits about other people's freedoms. We've only cared about our own self-interest. Other people's freedom only when it is profitable for us.
Gabriel - [<---- creible source]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 05:37:16 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

gabriel:

First of all, claiming I'm brainwashed with absolutely nothing else to add to the discussion is flaming.

Secondly, this isn't US propaganda, this is witness testimony and UN fact-finding investigations. The UN put sanctions on Iraq for a reason.

You might want to pretend otherwise, but you have no FACTS to back you up, not even credible sources to take second or third-hand information from. I'll point to CNN and the UN for at least SOME credibility.

I imagine you have some image of Iraq where the everyone of hundreds of reports of military police brutality and oppression are just make-believe, where Saddam Husein's palace is just a Hollywood backdrop, where the UN just makes up the ledgers they claim to have received from Iraq, where the world news organizations all get together for a big conspiracy to lie about the fact the Saddam controls the media in Iraq, and where all the disappearances of political dissidents were obviously due to wild animal attacks. And we might as well pretend that the Iraqi invasion of Kwuait and attacks on Israel were all make-believe.

I don't buy into that fantasy land. Sorry.

Jeez. It is one thing to be biased in a subtle manner, but quite another to simply ignore the facts of the matter and then have the audacity to claim OTHER people are brainwashed.

kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 05:04:20 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

kai> and people claim the left brainwashes people. damn, you take the cake dude. :P

gabriel
Thursday, September 12, 2002 04:52:03 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Lain: Short-sited yourself.

Let's see, where do Saddam's missiles go assuming we don't bomb his rebuilt installations into the stone age before he's got them ready? Israel, just like last time. Israel knows it, and they still support our actions.

Why would the people who are obviously going to be the victim of Iraqi missiles want to encourage this conflict? Better a small attack now with the US to help stop it than a large attack later.

As for the cruelty of attacking Iraq, it would be in the Iraqi's people's best interests. I remember the Operation Desert Storm. It wasn't a Vietnam. Installations were bombed. Tanks rolled in. Civilians got out of the way. Iraqi troops surrendered or defected En Masse when they were no longer under Saddam's reign of terror.

Unlike Saddam and the terrorists he likes to praise, we at least TRY to AIM at military and government targets when we fight. War's not a pretty thing, and civilians do get hurt when governments hide their military industrial complex behind civilian population centers. It's not cool, but something drastic needs to be done after 12 years of failed diplomacy.

"10 years suffering under international embargo"

That's such an astonishly ignorant, biased, and misleading statement that hurts your credibility.

Saddam Husein's regime controls almost ALL the money that goes through Iraq, including the regulation of humanitarian aid, oil-sales, and taxes on the Iraqi people.

He manages to find enough money to have his military police assassinate political dissedents and live in palaces. He has enough money to control almost all media coming in and out of his country and fund his propaganda machine. He has enough money to offer a $25,000 bounty to the kin of terrorist suicide bombers.

Do you have ANY idea how many suffering Iraqi peasants $25,000 could feed?

There is enough money in Iraq to keep his people from suffering. Saddam chooses to spend the money on himself, his police, his lackies, his attacks on the ethnic and religious minorities living in Iraq, and terrorist organizations, not to mention the money that disappears off the ledgers that the UN has cited as going to weapons development. He's a TYRANT.

Then he has the gall to turn around and tell his people and the rest of the world, "The Americans and Israelis make my people suffer," and try to incite more terrorist activity against the "infidels."

Many of Saddam's own people (if you believe the hundreds of defectors who've escaped Iraq) don't believe that line of crap, even in Iraq where Saddam executes dissidents and controls all the TV stations and has outlawed many forms of media.

That people from the free world are short-sighted and prejudiced enough to to believe those lies is just pathetic.
kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 04:21:11 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

kai> <<The Iraqi people and the entire world deserve better. >>

I'm sure Stalin felt the same way. :P Hence why he sawllowed most fo Europe for hismelf. We just do it through the economic and bussiness sector. It's quite clever really.
Gabriel
Thursday, September 12, 2002 04:17:51 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

OOOOooooOOOOOOKAY PPL! Calm down shesh, get over it and move on :oP Maybe the American were asking for it maybe not their slightly over baring attitude of "We rule!" does get to ppl. And anyway every one can bitch and complain about this but only wake me up if the world is finally coming to an end please, I'm very, very tired. And if we don't end up doing ourselves in by killing the planet who cares how many wars go on. Make it easy, keep f***ing up the planet that way there won't be a problem with war...just surviving in space and then we get bored and start a war cos we just can't get along. Its very silly if you ask me:oP My favorite quote is "We haven't conquered any worlds yet so we just keep kicking the crap out of each other" (John Criton, Farscape) so sad yet so true...anyway MOVE ON...go out and eat icecream, dance, laugh...have fun...live life "ALWAYS COCA COLA" :oD but hey if the only thing you can think about to start up a conversation, I guess "how screwed up the world is today" is a perfect subject...mind you its not totaly mess up ......yet ;o) anyway have fun with the debat, but just remember don't get mad or personal cos then your just being stupid kay? LUV YAs!! BUBYE
Phire_kat
Thursday, September 12, 2002 03:58:25 PM
IP: 65.93.75.153

Well, bother... it seems that fanfiction.net has changed their rules on what can and cannot be posted. If you have stories posted there, you might want to mosey on over and give the new regs & rules a look. <click>

*sighs heavily and begins tweaking*
Spike
Thursday, September 12, 2002 03:32:18 PM
IP: 64.216.238.89

Hi all! Been lurking for about two weeks and finally decided to post, so be gentle. Love the new eps of Timedancer. That series rocks! A bit about me. I'm 35, married, and have four kids--three boys and one girl. The boys ages are 10, 4, and 3 and my daughter is 8 (she'll be nine in November). A few quick questions:

1. Will any of the other series be starting soon? Or is the main focus going to be on Timedancer?

2. Will the events of September 11, 2001 be worked in to any of the series?

3. Would any of the original have been destroyed on September 11, 2001? I mean, how close was Xanatos' complex to the WTC? Just curious.

Now I'm off to come up with a good gargoyle name to post under.
Renée - [renees.prater@verizon.net]
Montclair, CA, USA
Thursday, September 12, 2002 03:28:59 PM
IP: 67.224.56.245

no no,no worries everyone, kai isnt fighting with himself.. i just put the "kai" in the wrong place. i take responsibility for the last post in red ;)
sorrybout dat.
lain
Thursday, September 12, 2002 03:17:26 PM
IP: 65.93.75.153

kai>> short sighted.. check..

i wasnt merely commenting about the cruelty of attacking a country whos civillian population has already been devistated by 10 years of international embargo.. no no.

i was talking about a little prediction about what would happen if america DID attack iraq. wheres the first place hes gonna send on of those few scuds hes got left? hmm? have a ponder on the implications of that, would you?
kai
Thursday, September 12, 2002 03:14:41 PM
IP: 65.93.75.153

Lain: Well, you could always go over to CNN and read the laundry-list of charges that were just brought before the UN (human rights violations, theft, weapons programs, failure to comply to international agreements and UN resolutions). Most of them are substantiated by witness testimony, UN findings, press releases, and UN resolutions (though some are not in the document).

The UN has been finger-wagging at Saddam for 12 years now, and nothing has changed. Iraq hasn't permitted weapons inspectors in 4 years and has gone back on their word to the UN ever since troops left Iraq. The UN has simply been too wrapped up in its individual member's petty interests (and especially China's veto power) to rise above a stern lecture.

Deployment of US troops forces the issue. Either the UN exerts its authority on Iraq and forces them to comply after 12 years of defiance, or they fail to enforce their resolutions and lose their credibility and the US enforces the resolutions instead.

After 12 years of shouting at Iraq, "Don't make me pull this car over!" the UN has to put up or shut up. It's a long time coming, honestly.

As for my solution being too simplistic, I think the rest of the world's solutions have been even more so, and FAR less effective. We've already touched on the UN's 12 years of failed diplomatic and economic avenues. They can't even get weapons inspectors into the country anymore.

The current policy of many governments (not the citizens) seems to consist of putting on sunglasses to watch the terrorists ramming airplanes into some OTHER country's cities and sending cheap sympathy cards from Walgreens.

All the members of NATO, the Soviety Union, and Communist China all contributed to the Cold War that created these facist dictatorships like Iraq.

The Cold War is over. It far past time to dismantle these governments. The Iraqi people and the entire world deserve better.
kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 02:32:34 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

josh>> glad it was you who said it.. not me :P a few points, though:
<<Yes, I deserved it. How dare I be born into a family who can afford to feed and clothe me. How dare I associate with women who vote and get paid as much as men, homosexuals, african americans, and people who argue for my rights. Clearly, I am Satan incarnate>> you? yes. however, on a serious note, i dont think thats quite what theyre angry about. noone seems to get this.. its not that theyre mad that you have all the stuff.. its that they see you as being the people who PREVENT THEM from having all the stuff. not saying you did, or didnt, or anything other than that (to my knowledge) is THEIR perception of you. hence, they think youre a bunch of bullies and they want to kick your @$$ :P <<airport security>> i havent been in an airport for a year so.. i have no comment to make. << I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell I will allow myself to be drafted for this bullsh*t in Iraq>> WOOHOO! come to MY house! they legally CANT draft canadians. ever. yay! VIVE LE QUEBEC! <<It is probably true that Iraq is probably developing nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons>> i havent seen any evidence. i think id like to see some before being asked to support any type of war thingie. or.. is that too logical or something? i suppose i should just be blindly supporting everything bush says now or im anti american.. no wait.. :P
<<Then, the issue that hits closest to home: computers. Microsoft and Intel are going to use the terrorism stuff to drive their latest "security" initiatives into law. Palladium, its called. Supposedly it will allow for extremely secure data protection. Really, its a way to appease the RIAA/MPAA and protect THEIR data so that we have to buy a new CD for each CD player, computer, and car in our household>> oooo yumtasty :P <<Is this what 3000 people died for? So that we could lose our freedom of speech and so some company could force us to use a pay-per-use business model? So news stations would be able to milk the event to hold all-day anniversary shows?>> tis sad. but unfortunately seems true :/ oh. and dont forget selling spider-man with the blood of 3000 innocent americans. thats always good.. :P

patrick>> way to TOTALLY miss the point of his post :P and the rest of it :P

phire kat>> <> thats what ya get for sleeping on a couch for 2 months :P

kai>> <<And those reasons, few people will argue with us over. People arguing distrust over reasons 2-4 are either obfuscating the truth for their own reasons (pacifism, anti-US sentiment, Jihadist simpathies, political partisanship) or they haven't thought the issues through very clearly>> oooor.. they might think your solution is just a liiiittle too simplistic and short-sighted for their tastes..

yeah.. i think thats enough trouble to get myself into today. huzzah for the repetition of history :P

happy b day lyn.

the end.
lain
Thursday, September 12, 2002 01:51:50 PM
IP: 65.93.75.153

Patrick: I'll say more later, but I DO NOT believe that America asked for it, as you'll see if you actually read the rant. My point is not that I'm upset that I'm being inconvenienced; my point is that the "war on terror" has lost all sense of direction and meaning. I don't think I deserve special treatment. I don't think ANYONE should have to get to the airport three hours early to board a frickin' one hour flight.

Don't you DARE confuse me for a Berkeley hippy.
Josh
Thursday, September 12, 2002 01:51:18 PM
IP: 64.165.202.125

Hello all,
Certainly a lot of traffic. Big props for the return of Timedancer. Woo Hoo! A lot of stuff I'd like to comment on, but first the TD review.

<Warning Timedancer Spoilers!> <Warning Timedancer Spoilers!>

"All the Empty Places"
Tagline: Sata sneaks off to Egypt and gets Brooklyn assigned to an investigation to cover.

Plotline: Dual plots focus on Sata's visit to Egypt and Brooklyn investigating zombies in Manhattan.

Reviewline: I liked the dual plot line and I also like that the story has advanced a few years to 2172. Harthoth's machinations are always crowd pleasing. The police investigation could have used some work. They way police works is done now is different from 200 years previous. It is reasonable to expect different investigation techniques 200 years later.

There were some big question marks over my head at the end of this story, but I don't think they are the ones the author intended.

I wondered why Sata, a samauri with a code of honor, first seeks to help Meryt then abandons her so she can get home in time to kiss Brooklyn good night. I also wondered why Brooklyn and Persephone think the case is over. They were looking into these occurances and drop it after picking up a guy who fiddles with the power grid. What does a electrical monitor have to do with people being deposited in Central Park? The biggest question was Sata's secretly meeting Harthoth. Does she think Brooklyn wouldn't understand? Or that he'd leave her? It seems the worst she'd have to do is explain herself and for a samauri, a warrior, to create this deception just to avoid explaining seemed too immature for a seasoned warrior.

Overall, those questions brought the story down a notch. But the pacing was good and the action brought it home. I'd like to see a follow up on the investigation.

<End of the Review! End of Spoilers!> <End of the Review! End of Spoilers!>

Airwalker mentioned seeing Sata's secret exposed. I'm not sure I'd be. historically, secrets and lies within the clan are anticlimatic by the time they are exposed. Take Angela secretly taking magic lessons with Demona. The secret comes out. She cries, Goliath relents and Angela's lessons are an accepted part of life. Lex keeps his implants a secret. The secret comes out. He cries, Goliath relents and Lex's implants are an accepted part of life. Brooklyn secretly knows things about the future. The secret comes out. Broadway and Angela have a tiff, Goliath relents and it becomes... You know the rest. Questions of trust, betrayal and manipulation get skirted. I mean these secrets aren't kept to spare someone's feelings. They're kept to manipulate a loved one. 'I know how you'll react, so I'll hide it from you so you won't react.' Strains on the relationship are handled with a bonding ritual like fighting some enemy.

I hope it will go down differently. But the other repeated themes; another Unseelie war, another wave of anti-gargoyle propoganda based on their monsterous appearence it seems Sata's secret might go the same way.

I'll wrap this up and hope to post again today.

See ya when I see ya.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 01:24:15 PM
IP: 24.205.124.50

I just got finished reading the transcript of President Bush's address to the United Nations. I'd wanted to hear it live, but I couldn't seem to find a radio station carrying it to listen to here at work. Anyone like me still remember the old days, where when the President spoke, the media paused to let America listen? Well, evidently today Britney Spears and N'Sync are more important. But anyway... it came across on paper a very clear and to the point address. I wasn't a Bush supporter to begin with, but in the past year I've grown to like him more and more. Now let's just hope a few more world leaders besides Tony Blair heed the call to action.

Kaioto > Good points there, all.

And now for a little rant of my own...

Josh > Boo-hoo, let me get a tissue. I'm so sorry the deaths of over 3000 people caused you to be "annoyed" by waking up to a bell tolling. Goodness knows that in the grand scheme of things, your sleep is of paramount importance. I'm also sorry you're so inconvenienced by airport security. They obviously have not gotten the memo that you are special and deserve to be sped through without an eyeblink while the rest of us wait patiently in line. And I'm sorry you're so down on the military and the current war against terror. After all, there's no possibility at all that terrorists could ever hijack a plane on the west coast and steer it towards YOU, so why should you care? Yes, it's all so clear to me now. In fact, as a gesture of goodwill, I'm willing to chauffer you to the Canadian border. No sense wasting time getting started... after all, the draft could start up again at any time. Besides, I hear there's plenty of people up there in the Great White North that share the Berkeley view that America was "asking for it."

... and the same goes for anyone else who's feeling put-out or personally inconvenienced by the fallout of 9/11/01.

:: goes to finish his lunch and get back to work ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:56:23 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Thanks to everybody for their well-wishes on our marriage. :)

Disney was a lot of fun. Six days for everything is just the right amount of time.

Feels good to be back at work though.

Continuing on Josh's thoughts on where the country is headed:

Hell in a hand-basket? I don't think so. Honestly, I think the selfish people are just louder than everyone else.

Airport Security:

Has security improved at airports? I think so, honestly. It takes longer, and a lot of what has been improved is going on behind the scenes, but it is better and necessary.

For progress, they are at least bothering to do background checks on airport employees now. I find it outrageous that airports didn't know that some of their employees were illegal immigrants or convicted felons. Maybe that will help screen out terrorists and their accomplices, or at least scrutinize the incompetents.

Whenever I travel with my laptop, I have to take it out and have it scanned a special way. Good for them. You could fit quite a bit of C4 or plastic explosive inside a laptop and disguise it as a hard-drive and some circuitry. It takes more time, but some things in life are worth waiting for.

If they're actually bothering to x-ray and bomb-sniff all the luggage that comes through on the belts before they put it on the plane, we don't have to take people's threats of "Remain in your seats, I have a bomb on this plane!" very seriously. I'll take the odds that he's bluffing over the odds that he'll ram us into a building any day. Passengers get out of their seats. Maybe one or two get superficial cuts in the ensuing melee. Terrorist is beaten half to death if not all the way. End of discussion.

As for armed troops at the airports, we had national guard and army crawling all OVER Logan International Airport in the last year. Not one firearms discharge. I've got much better odds of being hit by a drunken driver than shot by airport security.

On Iraq:

Well, this is a long time coming. The only reason these petty dictatorships like Iraq and Iran are still standing is because European Politics anyway.

France, Germany, and England colonized the CRAP out of the Middle-East. After WWII they withdrew and left the region in complete chaos and destitution to look after their own interests. The Europeans were happy enough to take all of their displaced Jews and make a place for them called Israel right over Palestine.

Yeah, great plan. Europe gets rid of the Jews that they hate, and makes a giant powder-keg out of the Middle-East, then retires to look down its collective nose at the rest of the world. :P

Then the Cold War stirs up and suddenly are two alternatives for these chaotic countries: Pro-Soviet Dictatorships and Anti-Soviety Dictatorships. NATO chooses to sponsor Anti-Soviets as the lesser of two evils. And now USSR is gone. There is no reason to support these dictatorships anymore, nor are their any Soviets to occupy their hatred. When the Soviet Union disolved, NATO should have moved in immediately and cleaned up its mess.

But they didn't. That takes effort.

So it festers as a few dictators and their lackeys run the place into the ground, oppressing women and ethnic minorities, corrupting the Islamic Church for their own ends, and using oil-money to create weapons, armies, and terrorist organizations. And now the U.S. finally has to step up and clean up the mess that was left behind and liberate the common people of the Middle East from the dictatorships we once helped keep in power.

And Europe looks down its nose at us again.

It seems the media forgets so quickly that West Germany, France, Britain, Canada, and Norway were all HUGE players in propping up these countries as part of NATO, not just the United States. But most of the politicians of the world don't want to play ball. Why? It isn't because Saddam's government doesn't deserve it, certainly. People who claim so are liars, partisans or simpletons.

The opinions of countries dominated by Jihadist simpathizers are obviously discounted. So let's throw out any opinions by most of the Middle East, North Africa, and Western Asia. The opinions of countries whose economic recovery depend heavily on Iraqi oil are also suspect. This has already been an ADMITTED sticking point for many powerful lobbies in Britain, and government representatives in Germany. They want to get reelected, and an oil-crisis could cost them their post.

Nevermind right and wrong, the sacrifice is obviously too high. </SARCASM>

Europe isn't the primary terrorist target. As long as Israel and the United States are the scapegoats of all the Jihadists claim is evil about the West, they don't have to worry about drawing much fire.

If we were gone tomorrow, then Bin Laden and his friends would be turning their attention driving planes into Paris, Berlin, Toronto, and London. But as long as there is a New York, a Jerusalem, and a Los Angeles, terrorism is fundamentally "someone else's problem" for Europe.

Europe and much of the industrial and developing world is dragging its feet because the politicians aren't going to risk their own economic gravy-train to do the right thing by a bunch of non-voters (re: foreigners).

China isn't going to help either, for a number of reasons, but beyond the oil, they see themselves as an emerging economic and political superpower in the world, and want to limit the United State's influence as much as possible and curb any possible development of new democracies near their neck of the woods.

As for us, what do we get out of replacing Saddam with a democracy?

1.) Security.

Ending Iraqi funding for terrorist organizations, halting their weapons program, and removing their safe harbor for Jihadist organizations and agents are all great reasons to depose Saddam.

2.) Oil.

Removing Saddam and replacing him gives us an opportunity to influence OPEC. That scares a lot of OPEC members, obviously. It also gives people the suspicion of ulterior motives.

But in economic terms, the benefits of deposing Saddam wouldn't kick in until well after the costs of disruption of the oil market. This will also be well after the 2004 elections. No significant, short-term political gains will come out of Iraqi oil for the Bush administration, hence discrediting the claim of ulterior motives over oil.

3.) Guns

Some Europeans claimed that America was going to attack Iraq just to boost their arms and oil industries. We've already examined the ramifications of the oil theory. The arms theory is an equal amount of bunk.

We simply don't need to use enough bombs, bullets and armor to depose Saddam to have a significant economic impact. The Iraqi "Elite Guard" are the undisputed masters of surrender techniques. No, there won't be enough economic impact over Iraq in the defense industry to cause political gains by 2004 based on the economy.

4.) Popularity

The war against Iraq isn't going to win Bush any short-term support. It has instead given his critics more to scream over. If we pull a perfect job from deployment to nation-building, Bush's popularity might nudge a little bit, but every casualty suffered by a US soldier or an Iraqi civilian is going to cost him votes.

So, in the short-term, only motivations under category #1 are rationally consistant. And those reasons, few people will argue with us over. People arguing distrust over reasons 2-4 are either obfuscating the truth for their own reasons (pacifism, anti-US sentiment, Jihadist simpathies, political partisanship) or they haven't thought the issues through very clearly.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:27:40 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

hey! my cake!
*starts to growl at Puck40, then sighs*
fine.

everyone can have some!

Josh: Thanks. Oh, and I recently found a link back to slashdot's things back about Columbine...it inspired a rant from me too. Slashdot is good for that.

*Disappears back into the CR archives*
Lynati
Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:57:18 AM
IP: 66.140.85.81

I AM BACK PPL OF TGS...anyone hear of the Rolling Requiem? I went with my Grandmother on the 11th to see it....well not see it but hear it. It was obviously a memoral thingy for 9/11 but I went mainly for Motzart :oD There were even two part of it that I had done in HS Lacraymosa and Dires Irea...yea yea I probably spelt those worng :oP Anyway EEP I have to work in like 20 minutes my damn alarm clock was an hour ahead!! So I am way too early for work and had an hour to waste. I need more sleep and my backs killing me...and "whine, bitch, complain." NEXT!! sorry for the intrushion...but I reall did enjoy the Motzart thingy yesterday :oD I'm gonna go look fer the cd here in the library right now before work WOOHOO! BUBYE!
Phire_Kat
Thursday, September 12, 2002 09:42:04 AM
IP: 198.96.83.38

I mean, really, what are the frelling odds?
Fire Storm - [<--- Winning lotto numbers]
Thursday, September 12, 2002 09:28:27 AM
IP: 66.72.180.167

*eyes the cake Lynati put out and pounces it*

heeheehee
Happy Birthday to me indeed. yay!

*munches*

and..... hiyas peeps. am a first time poster peeper and a one time con go-er.

nummy cake. *munch* good stuffs. tankies Lynati

*and sips some punch*
puck<40> - [puck40@aol.com]
CT
Thursday, September 12, 2002 02:11:24 AM
IP: 24.151.74.241

Hey folks.

This was inspired by an article on Slashdot I read yesterday.

*** WARNING: RANT***

This isn't going to be too coherent, so you'll have to bear with me. Kind of stream- of- consciousness- esque. And its all mine. Any relation to actual posted rants is purely coincidental. No animals were harmed in the making of this rant. Batteries not included. Void where prohibited.

A YEAR LATER: What's changed?

Today is the one-year anniversary of the Sept 11 attacks against the United States. I remember hearing that this would be my generation's Pearl Harbor. Needless to say, it wasn't. What has it led to? Did it lead to ramped up production of war machinery? No. Did it lead to everyone and their dog signing up for the armed services because its the cool thing to do? Well, not quite. Did it lead immediate retaliation against the attackers? More or less. Did it lead to a war against an aggressor hell bent on world domination? Not yet.

You know its not Pearl Harbor Redux when we have people in our own country saying "maybe we deserved it". Hundreds of people died, and it was absolutely a tragedy that will change our lives...but it was no Pearl Harbor.

Yes, I deserved it. How dare I be born into a family who can afford to feed and clothe me. How dare I associate with women who vote and get paid as much as men, homosexuals, african americans, and people who argue for my rights. Clearly, I am Satan incarnate.

Today at UC Berkeley, the bells tolled four times at the exact minute of each plane crash (for which I'm sure you can figure out was buttcrack of dawn over here). When I first heard about it, what was my reaction? Annoyance. My sympathy for those who lost loved ones expired at most three months after the attack. I still feel for them, sure, but its not something I ever think about anymore. They had to wake me up to remind me, for no other reason than because its somehow politically correct to remember a tragedy on its birthday.

Build a memorial and be done with it. No one celebrates the anniversary of the fire-bombing of Dresden, which was absolutely a terrorist attack.

Today they held some sort of tribute ceremony. However, to be politically correct, they denied any speaker the right to mention god. GOD! HELLO, MCFLY! God is the very center of the attacks. They think their invisible man has a bigger penis than our invisible man! More importantly, its is often the ability of people to turn to god that gets them through tough memories, loss of loved ones, etc. But not in Berkeley. In Berkeley, god is a tool of the oppressor, of the fat rich white christian man who wants to take away your right to an abortion. So no god.

Berkeley is as open-minded as Rush. Just the other way.

So what's changed? Have we become more secure? Have we learned from our mistakes?

This country, in short, is headed to hell in a handbasket. Lets start with something simple: airport security. These attacks have resulted in longer waits, and that's all. They've resulted in me being searched 99% of the time, whether I shave my beard or not, probably because I match some terrorist criterion in a big database (I'm 18-25 years old, have lots of money in my name but no job, use computers excessively, study structural engineering, and go to Berkeley). All they've done is created inconvenience. They search 80 year old ladies from Iowa. God forbid they should search anyone flying from or going to anywhere in the middle east, or anyone who actually matches the demographic of the 9/11 terrorists. That would be racial profiling, and that's illegal. More important, the airports can get sued for it. And those MP's carrying M-16's don't make me feel any better. They make me worried that one could go off accidentally and kill me.

Next is war. I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell I will allow myself to be drafted for this bullsh*t in Iraq. There is no "axis of evil". It is probably true that Iraq is probably developing nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. I agree that we should level the place. But we have sufficient manpower and machine power to do it. There should be no act of congress that allows for more money to be spent on military equipment. Bush does not need any more ANYTHING to do this job. He will never convince me to fight for a country that doesn't need me and has made it more than clear that it thinks I'm the enemy.

Has anyone seen recent anti-drug commercials? Don't do drugs, because they support terrorists. Now, I don't use any drugs and I certainly don't support terrorists, but this type of "don't do X because it makes you a terrorist" is exactly the logic that's running rampant through corporate america and the government these days. This kind of paranoia is what breeds police states.

Then, the issue that hits closest to home: computers. Microsoft and Intel are going to use the terrorism stuff to drive their latest "security" initiatives into law. Palladium, its called. Supposedly it will allow for extremely secure data protection. Really, its a way to appease the RIAA/MPAA and protect THEIR data so that we have to buy a new CD for each CD player, computer, and car in our household. But they've attached "terrorism" to it, and now anyone who doesn't have it will be labeled a traitor or subversive. They'll use it to get open source software outlawed. They'll convince the government that somehow its a better idea to "support capitalism and use our totally insecure software because its safer than having everyone look at your code". I don't want anyone controlling how I use my computer but me. We can't allow big businesses to have control of the government.

Ashcroft and crew want to restrict our rights and have us believe its for our own good. Hackers are now "terrorists". They can go to prison for LIFE. System of a Down has run into trouble because the band is composed of Armenians. Maybe next they'll be labeled subversives and their music will be banned. What's next? Banning of all hard rock? They can monitor religious and political groups for no reason, without a warrant, without suspecting them of specific criminal activity. They can read our email without a warrant. Bureaucrats are encouraged by the FBI to resist requests for public records. People who keep records can be prosecuted if they reveal that those records were subpoenaed for a terror investigation. My stuff can be seized if someone thinks it will aid a terror investigation. We're being railroaded all in the name of being protected. To be honest, I'm not willing to give up my rights to "save the children". Because they aren't being saved. You may feel safer at night knowing that big daddy Bush (boy did that sound wrong) is gonna take the war to Iraq...but do you still feel safe knowing that he's driven laws through to prevent you from speaking your mind against him?

And there isn't a limit, either. It starts with one thing, small. Then it gets worse. And worse. Pretty soon, we can't remember what we had.

Is this what 3000 people died for? So that we could lose our freedom of speech and so some company could force us to use a pay-per-use business model? So news stations would be able to milk the event to hold all-day anniversary shows?

If only they could use the terrorism to stop junk e-mails.

***END RANT***

okay, time for normal replies:

Happy b-day, Lynati.

Gabriel: I recommend private tutoring. Its expensive, but its the best. I used Princeton Review. If your math skills are good, you can avoid that stuff and save some money. If you have a great vocabulary, you can skip that part and save some money. Try going to www.review.com and seeing what they've got.

Spacebabie: <<Did anyone vote yesterday?>>: No voting here yesterday. <<I'm going to cast my vote for Jeb, damn his son is hot!>>: Clearly, you do not deserve to vote. <<Most women are not as stacked as I am.>>: True, true. <<Let me guess…you watch the Man Show>>: Don't we all? <<She tested their sproingyness>>: I have the wrong job. <<Gives Gside a copy of Sex for Dummys>>: Doesn't matter, he still needs a partner. <<Keep banging away at your homework>>: Believe me, I have been. <<you must look anorexic>>: I've been told that on occasion. <<Can you jump on one?>>: I dunno. Depends on the size, I suppose. <<Are you in Berkley or Hogwarts?>>: Definitely Berkeley. If it were Hogwarts I'd stop walking to class at all 8-) <<My favorites was the fluids and balls>>: That explains a lot. <<that’s what the TGS comment room is for>>: No, its not. Its for ranting. See above.

Fire Storm: <<in general just waits for the stars to align>>: Isn't that what we all do? <<Get it by the drum and SAVE!>>: Behold the glory of Costco. <<actively tune into a sporting event>>: I hear you. I watch one event every year. The superbowl...ads. <<from Netscape>>: That's "Composer" with a capital "C" ;-) <<LM just likes things to work>>: typical female. <<Windows>>: HAHA. <<my pantry...is about 15% the total square footage>>: Dude, you either have a huge pantry or a small house. <<How bit IS your apartment>>: Big enough 8-) <<most of your friends would probably do that anyway>>: No, I only let them get away with it if I really deserve it. <<There CAN'T be a very stacked woman in this fandom!>>: Why not? Fat chicks have big boobs. <<these special effects SUCK>>: Ironic, isn't it? We can't even tell REAL reality anymore.

Lain: <<it must have hurt really badly or something>>: Hehe. Hope she didn't birth it on your carpet. <<star trek as an icon and metaphor>>: I wrote a paper on that in high school. Got me an A. <<oh.. right.. jesus>>: I've heard of him...

Crzy: That is one of the most stunning pictures I've ever seen. Did you take that yourself?

Green Baron: <<A true big city shoudln't have that many yahoos driving>>: More people = more yahoos. <<How about I call it Reefer U>>: Sounds reasonable ;-) <>: But SJ said he was attending a college in the DC area. <<goodies will be better when you're an old fart on viagra being hit on by 25 year olds who think you'll die soon>>: True, true. Fortunately I'm smart enough to write living wills 8-) <<It is not I you shoudl worry about>>: True. I'm too busy worrying about me. <<saying he'd have no use for College>>: He must also not have any use for a job, or for intellect. <<South Central Los Angeles, definitely>>: Exactly. I wish I had more armor on my car. <<You are definitely a deprived suburban child>>: Aren't all suburban children deprived?

Mooncat: <<Why didn't they have classes like that in my college>>: You probably went to a real school.

Aaron: <<You're right. I don't like you that well>>: No one does 8-)

Lexy: <<My mother in law's wedding>>: Don't stay bitter forever. You could always have a second ceremony in 25 or 50 years, lots of couples do that 8-)

Stephen: Sorry about the eyes. I'd go with the surgery. Can't get any worse, can it?

Greg: <>: Ah, so there's more than one.

Gside: <<then my father expects me to know how to hang a TV>>: My parents are sending me the plans for the kitchen remodel. <<Never! The Gside always triumphs!>>: You're a loony. <<So that's what you call it>>: I'm not going to say what I'm thinking.

good night.

Michael Jackson...only in America can a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white woman.
-Me

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, September 12, 2002 01:40:58 AM
IP: 64.165.202.125

Moochie, Aaron: James Bond's first sidearm was a WWII era Berretta (exact model I dont recall). In DR. NO, he was issued a German designed and built Walther PPK in 7.62mm that he reluctantly accepted. Ironically, although the Walther PPK became synomonous with James Bond, a hero of the free world, it was also the personal sidearm of Aldolph Hitler. Although the PPK would become his standard issue pistol, if you look carefully at the other 007 films, he does carry his old Berreta once in a while. In the Brosnon film "Tomorrow Never Dies," Bond switches to the new 9mm Walther P99.
Tim Phipps
Thursday, September 12, 2002 01:33:21 AM
IP: 68.13.148.46

*comes in with a wooden basket*

Crzy: beautiful pic.

Aaron: <How do you know I did any work last night. How do you know I wasn't so traumatized from watching Event Horizon that I couldn't make funny?> because I know you. <Well, the new Sluggy arc does turn one's thoughts in that direction...>...Dude. I wrote that post before the new sluggy arc. I have yet to hear any demands on the kidnapping of my garg. But her son has been rather vocal...

Lexy: Congrats on the marriage! Sorry about the wedding-that-wasn’t-really-yours, and the lack of the pin. :( It's the little things that always snag me, too.

New TD ep: *smiles*

*opens up basket and lays out cake and punch.*
okay, this is for anyone who was born today. In Conneticut. Between the times of 5:20 and 5:40 am. Mwaheheh.

*munch munch*

Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Birthdayland
Thursday, September 12, 2002 01:30:00 AM
IP: 65.66.159.203

Ever feel like raiding a monastery? http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/games/vikingquest/index.shtml

Imzadi> <<We deal in theory, not plumbing>>: Same here, and then my father expects me to know how to hang a TV.
<<Okay, this joke has gone far enough>>: Never! The Gside always triumphs!

Spacebabie> <<Ask Mara. She tested their sproingyness>>: Kinky.
<<Gives Gside a copy of Sex for Dummys>>: Not quite what I meant. I believe I have the theory pretty well, I just need someone to assist.
<<Can you jump on one?>>: Essentially.

Fire Storm> <<Nope. Sorry. What's it from? >>: Moxy Früvous's Michigan Militia.
<<that would actually require me to actively tune into a sporting event>>: And you expect me to do the same? And record it, no less?
<<Your got it from Netscape?>>: No, Bjorn's mp3.com area.
<<Dude, these special effects SUCK>>: "Holy #$@!" "Jesus !@#$%^& Christ" "Un!@$#%^&believable" "I'm back! Hey, isn't that that $!@#ty Michael Bay movie?" -Kung Fool

Lain> <<in the add/drop line>>: I am very glad Rutgers has touchtone and internet registration.

Lexy> <>: So that's what you call it.

SRS Jr.> <<my vision comes out to 20/300... unofficially, I'm legally blind in that eye>>: That's about half as bad as me. So I guess I am legally blind. Fun.

And the mp3 is the classic House of the Rising Sun. However, it's not the version you're expecting. This one is done by either Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, or Pete Seeger. The filename gives all three, and they all covered it. My bet's on Guthrie.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:30:12 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

AIRWALKER> Sorry, but no changes will be made to the story. At some point that story Alan has mentioned may be told, so why destroy the possibility of a potentially great story somewhere down the line?

Besides, I'm not sure if I can speak for everyone, but I speak for myself here when I say that I don't write these stories entirely for the readers. First anf foremost, I write for me. I have a lot of material and events for the TGS Universe in my head, not all of it will be written, not nearly all of it, considering the amount I have worked out.

For example, I know what Demona did during World War II in the TGS Universe. Macbeth also, among other characters, or ancestors of characters. I have a story in my head, but I just don't know where or when it will get told. Though I may allude to it in stories I write with these characters in them.

Some things may look like plot holes to the reader, but at some point there will be some kind of pay-off.

Oh, and I was asked by the new leader of the Unseelies to tell you not to refer to him as "Madoc Lite". He hates that. If only you heard him screaming "I'm my own character!" in my head the way he's doing ;)
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:05:23 AM
IP: 216.179.5.254

**COMMENTS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**

Just a question to the TGS staff and to Alan specifically since he wrote the story - Are you going to fix the whole Cario instead of Egypt limitation mishap in the current episode or are you planning to leave it and work out a story around it that may get done in another season, sometime in the far far far future? :-)

(Personally again I'll just say that I'd rather it be changed than working a story around it in the future. As good as a story might be in the future to deal with this, if it is left the way it is then this story would require editing anyway so that it works as a untouched plot point rather than an error. At this point just going over the story which is extremely good, it just distracts attention. Just wanted to be repetative about that point. :-) :-) :-) )

**END OF COMMENTS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**

STEPHEN - You wrote: [Anyone avalible for prayers? I need some said for me...]

You got it.
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:04:26 PM
IP: 12.88.95.107

Greetings all...

Anyone avalible for prayers? I need some said for me... I had to visit the VA hospital today to finally get something done about my eyesight; I broke my glasses 10 days ago, and was told until I got seen today, I couldn't be given new ones.

In the end, the doctors had bad news... because of the karetacoma (deformation of the cornea) in my left eye, my vision comes out to 20/300... unofficially, I'm legally blind in that eye.

The doctors said that I have several options open to me to attempt to restore my sight, starting with hard contacts and going up to cornea transplants as well as an as-yet, non-FDA approved procedure that has had an 85-percent success rate outside the USA...

the most immedate concern is that unless I can work with the DMV to some extent, or meet their vision standards, I could lose my right to drive... and that would seriously clamp down on my life, not to mention my work as a manager.

<sighs> What I am trying to say is that I just want everyone to pray that I don't have to lose my driving privelages or that it comes to surgery to restore my sight... it's one thing to have a disability or some disease that can cripple or kill you, but it's a horrific thought to come face to face with the fact that - due to one eye breaking down - that you are apt to lose a lot of freedom and the ability to be independant...

Anyway... enough about me.

<sets up a candle colored in red, white and blue, next to a fireman's helmet and a policeman's cap on the mantleplace...>

(silence for those we lost, one year ago...)

Maintain and Check Six...

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 09:33:21 PM
IP: 65.35.132.45

*thanks everyone for the well wishes*

G-side- Actually, I was hazy from cleaning up our room. The wedding party camped out up there while we were away. Dah.. what a mess! SO MUCH LAUNDRY!

Cherry- Ya, no kidding. Nice that he asked God w/o MY permission. But don't you worry. Jaime was up there too, and she prayed to God,"Hey, God... could you nix that last request? You know what I mean." So w/ that and my prayers combined (and lots of birth control methods deployed at once) we should be fine.. *hopes* Good luck in bomb-land.

Space babie- Stop _bugging_ Greg? Now when have I _ever_ done that? *blinx innocently* 0_0 As for the weather, it _was_ wicked humid, and we just missed that tropical storm in place of a tropical depression. But it wasn't so bad at all:) I like rain. Even when it's all over me at a Disney park:P Stopped me from swimming a lot though. Only got to swim once :P

DPH- Don't know us? Maybe that's because the computer is on the second floor of this house. (A problem we are soon fixing) This means that we have been avoiding the comp due to Kai's blablablaing mother. Oy. Even with a head-set on she won't leave you alone. She keeps flagging you down and then talking about worthless- oh.. Oh sorry didn't mean to lay that out on ya. :P

Pictures- Well the ones my MotherIL orded taken haven't come in yet. As for all others.. well we don't have a scanner.. so I'll do my best trying to find one.

My mother in law's wedding: Well it went just fine. She had a great time. All her friends and family showed up, and they danced to country music in pink inflatable *sp* shoes. I hid in the bathroom with my 3 friends. (I invited a grand total of 4 people and one of those people invited one more person)Too bad it was just a one seater, and the only one in the 'house' so ppl kept banging to get in. *frowns* Now I'm even more irritated then before. Before it was just my annoying mother in law I had to deal with. Well now that my mom has met with her, and of course she was on her best behavior, my mom thinks I'm crule to think badly of her. Now.. I could simply tell my mom of the horrible things she has done to me. Of all the times she went through my stuff, screamed at me in a drunken rage, hit me Ect. But I would feel awful making that phone call. I just can't call someone with the intent of ruining their relationship with someone else. I think that as much as my mother thinking I am being mean hurts me, the idea of letting her know what I've been through with her, and the idea that she was decieved would hurt me more. So I guess I'll just deal ... for now. Listen to this one. I came home from work a few days before the wedding... and my wedding bouquet *sp* had NO LEAVES. (it was a fabric and plastic bunch of 24 white roses so I could keep them) I told her I wanted leaves... In fact .. I said I wanted MORE leaves, because those flowers didn't come with many.. and they were small. So I had ordered leaves over the internet to make the bouquet fuller. But when I got home, like I said, it was stripped totally bare of foliage. No leaves or green at all, and she had rapped it all in some cloth. "Oh hi Liz, I just invited my friends over and we cut all the leaves off. We checked in magazines and brides just aren't using leaves anymore." Ok.. I don't know anything about what brides are or aren't doing.. But let me just take this moment to say that I don't give a flying F what they are using. I WANTED leaves. *pouts* But then again.. I'm being selfish.. now it wasn't my wedding now was it? I shouldn't complain. Bitter? Not I.

Actually.. I'm really not that upset.. I am .. but I'm not. Because I didn't want a wedding to begin with. So I may have disliked the one I got.. but at least I wasn't one of those girls who had been planning every detail since she was 12. It wasn't like it was stolen away that bad. But still:P It was so lame.

The Honeymoon: Yea fun! Went everywhere, saw everything. The only thing that went wrong was that we did this 'conquer the world' game. You had to answer some questions and get a stamp to prove you got the answer right. Each stamp came from a different park, and you could only get the stamp from ONE place in the park. If you got all the answers and stamps, you could go down to Down Town Disney and get a pin made per your order. So we waited until Friday, (our last day) and spent the whole time traveling by Disney bus to collect all our stamps since we had already gathered all the answers. Well. We got all of our stamps... BUT ONE. The last stop before DTD was D. Wide World of Sports. We now refer to that place as Disney's Wide World of Suck. It wasn't one of the main parks.. so It took us an HOUR to get there. We finally got there, and as we walked in the employee's were locking up the ONE STORE we needed to get our stamp at. But the park was still open. Ok.. now if the store you need the stamp from closes BEFORE the park.. don't you think you should mention that on the card? We had arranged all the stops in order of when parks closed.. only to be screwed by that. We went to DTD and begged, but they said they needed the stamp. So that was it for 'conquering' the world. Now all we have are our stap sheets with all the answers, and one spot missing a stamp. I did really want to make my own pin.. but I can get over that. What gets me is that, because of some stupid detail missing, we wasted an ENTIRE DAY at DW riding the damn buses! *cries* AND LOOK! NO PIN! *pouts* oh well.. Other then that.. it was great. I also picked up a REALLY GOOD book (IMO) (at the airport btw) about all the corrupt stuff going on at Disney right now since the Disney relatives stopped running things. It's pretty interesting, actually. Like for instance. DW is so large that it actually encompasses an entire county.. and has control of that county's law enforcement and fire department. That's right. That means that if you have an injury, and you dial 911 from any phone in that area, you get Disney employees. Not the cops.. not an emergency team. Scary huh? Just so they don't have to let other ppl know there are any problems. No wonder we saw so many cops are DTD. It wasn't just the drunk people, it was so if a situation in drunk driving ect came up they could get the jump on the scene. Disney officials, according to the book, can order police to leave their property, and they have apparently tampered with crime scenes on a number of occasions. Cleaning everything up before the REAL cops arrived. The employee reports on moral are super low. 70-80% saying that the parks were skipping on safety stuff ect. I also learned (I didn't know this myself) that the Magic Kingdom has subterranian tunnels running under it so that if you are injured on the property they can cart you out without anyone seeing you.. which slows down the transportation process of course. Anyway.. lots of interesting things. I'm not quite half way through with it yet though. I know the author has a point to make, so I am trying to be careful with the details. But so far they have only been using interviews and police reports. They include them in the book.. so I'm not sure where any lies could be *shrugs* But like I said. It is interesting to read at the very least.

ICK my hands are cold! I hate that cuz it screws up my ability to type. Well that's enough crabbing for now I think;)

Lexy Lund - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 09:17:38 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

*runs in*

Gyah!! Aaron, Aaron, I need help! Sneakingyoda just kidnapped Cybele from my livejournal!! Can you send me backup?? *looks really worried, since she wants her cybergoyle back now, and not in two weeks, and aaron's track record for replies seems to be at a dangerous low*

*runs back to try to negotiate terms*
Lynati
FRELL!!!!!
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 07:44:37 PM
IP: 65.66.159.203

Moment of silence for Johnny U.

Lynati> <<What, I can't have the version you finished last night?>> How do you know I did any work last night. How do you know I wasn't so traumatized from watching Event Horizon that I couldn't make funny? <> Well, the new Sluggy arc does turn one's thoughts in that direction...

Gside> <<No, but they weren't coming to mind at the moment. And you forgot David Niven.>> Only if you allege that Casino Royale is part of the Bond movie franchise. And if he counts, so does Woody Allen, and everyone else in that movie who played an agent named James Bond. <<But there is no way you would want to pay off any interest on it.>> That's what 0 APR balance transfers are for.

Josh> <<WTF is a Doom Cock?>> Any overly large, long-barreled gun, derived from Starr's .44 Magnum with the six inch barrel, of the same name, from Garth Ennis' Preacher comic. <<If its all the same to you, I'd rather forget both.>> I liked Dalton. And Lazenby, despite being an Aussie loser, got Diana Rigg, (the original Mrs. Peel) as his Bond girl. <> You're right. I don't like you that well.

Spacebabie> <> Nah, not the way my mom cooks.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 06:22:42 PM
IP: 66.136.51.3

* >^@@^< looks at Lain's post.* Aghhh!!!! Why didn't they have classes like that in my college??? I had to settle for Voodoo, Witchcraft as Comparative Religion/Cultural Anthropology courses. They should have shoe horned Star Trek in though, it's practically a religion. Oh... hmmm... or maybe I should be thinking Jedi?

*envies Lain*

Beautiful picture Jennifer. Hard to believe it's been one whole year.

MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 06:21:20 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

A moment of silence, please, for legendary Hall of Fame quarterback Johnny Unitas, who passed away today at 69.

Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 05:58:48 PM
IP: 216.234.126.47

Greetings to the CR. It is another September 11, and there were a few memorials on TV, but no change in my area aside from heightened security.

Jannie> The terrorist atatcks you read of were in Heidelberg, headquarters of US ARMY Europe (and the military is why the city has so much money and can afford a nice medeival feel to it). The American warned her friends to avoid the Commisary and that was how the authroiteis got wind. That area was on Threatcon Delta, but it wans't done in Hanau.

It was touching the memorial the US received form so many nations, though we need to remember why it happened and think about an allay who suffers worse than we did and still suffers from terrorists taking the mantle of underdogs.

<> A true big city shoudln't have that many yahoos driving. Big cities are meant for drivers to park their car and use other methods, though in reality that doesn't prove true.

<<We have a membership of approx. 200 with an average of around 150 at Sunday morning services. We’re just a small country church : )>> That is pretty small. Granted it allows for a more intimate community, but still small. Granted, some small towns may have parishes that big depending on the density of Catholics.

Cat and Gunjack> I could have, but there woudl still be issue. I didn't want the hassle, but next time I have the opportunity to buy a 17th cnetury firearm for less than 20 euros I'll take it.

Imzadi> <<It's Berkeley, schmuck. And that's on the west coast.>> How about I call it Reefer U :p, and I always thought it was the left coast.

<> I'll take that over Keynesianism and its horrors anyday. Besides, the trickledown we attmepted was tainted with Keynesianism anyway.

<> True, but goodies will be better when you're an old fart on viagra being hit on by 25 year olds who think you'll die soon :)

<<Good idea. Can't have you breeding. >> It is not I you shoudl worry about. Its the masses of people younger than me, with less education, and making less money than me who are on their third child. Those are the ones to worry about and it begins to disturb me when soem guy comes in with a little brat and his dumpy wife wanting to cancel his GI Bill saying he'd have no use for College. That is a sad scene and I wish he'd go to the health clinic for a free vasectomy. And its not likely I'll live up to such a promsie, but I'll be older, wiser, and wealthier than most of the people I see everyday if I do have any offspring. Besides, you forget I have a godson :)

<<Its also far more dangerous, as it is totally unpredictable. Evil for the sake of money or power can be anticipated and blocked.>> Well, that is one silver lining.

<<Perfect for those weekend drives in the South ;-)>> South Central Los Angeles, definitely.

<<Actually its the other way around. Gunjack twisted it to be "bondage", when it was originally referring to James Bond. >>

Nothing is greater than the bondage between mother and son
-Dan Quayle

Firestorm> I don't see St. Francis of Assissi writing that one :)

Cherry Blossom> You in Israel. Me in Kosov. Lets hope we're both carefeul.

Foxfire> Well, I'm glad the prayer is so popular. I never knew many non-Catholics who use it, though.

Have you heard the prayer/song: Make me a Channel of your peace?

Heather> <<I've never been to Atlanta, as in the city itself, only the airport so this is new to me, even though I've lived here for 5 1/2 years.>> I am very glad I took you to New Orleans. You are definitely a deprived suburban child :)

Aaron> Without that prayer in plain sight, I confuse the words. It is serenity. I've heard that variation many times though :)

Spacebabie> I'll vote for Jeb, too. I hope I don't ahve any problems voting in Kosovo.

Revel> That's something for me to think about on my way to Kosovo. Let's hope I win no such honors myself. I instead plan to go to Kosovo and no pay any taxes for 6 months.

Lain> My University has a statue of Jesus. He looks like he just made a touchdown.

Jen> Thanks for the picture. It is perfect for today.

Not much else today, but 36 days until I'm in Kosovo.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 04:24:53 PM
IP: 62.104.212.74

http://crzysmansion.artchicks.org/temp/Pictures/TwinTowers.jpg
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 03:46:54 PM
IP: 216.249.98.71

oh yes.
today was a very sad day.
first of all, phire_kat was having a really REALLY big cow this morning. it must have hurt really badly or something :P
then i went to do add/drop, and found out that none of the courses i wanted to take in the arts department are actually being offered (cos that would be SMART, you know).

the course i wanted to take in MIT was full. too bad, cos it was "communities in cyberspace" and i thought that would be great.

so, instead.. im taking star trek.

yes, my friends. my university is offering a course in the study of star trek.

its TRUE! i SWEAR IT!.. heres the course description:
"strange new worlds: star trek as an icon and metaphor" this course is an investigation of the star trek phenomenon as a critical event in the development of televisual culture as a popular medium. we will consider the ways in which star trek has both been shaped and has shaped the ideological, technological and social moment of its creation and reception; these developments will be in turn contextualized within contemporart critical debates over the meaning and status of popular culture."

isnt that hilarious? oh dear. and ill get credit for that, too :P

on another note: interesting conversation on campus with a first year in the add/drop line:

me: so, what are you taking?
her: english - im trying to take this film studies course, too
me: well, youre in the wrong line, this is the MIT add/drop. english is in middlesex college
her: oh *looks it up on map* ooooooh okay, i know where that is.
me: okay, good then
her: hey, you seem to know this stuff, i cant seem to find kings college on this map
me: thats cos its off campus.. waaaaay way over there *points in an easterly direction*
her: oh.. OH HEY! i know where youre talking about! its that one with that statue of that guy on the front, right? *strikes the pose of the statue*
me: that would be.. jesus, yes
her: oh.. right.. jesus..

it was amusing. :P

so yeah. thats my day so far. maybe phire will have finished with her cow by the time i get home. she says "nothing is the matter" but thats not too convincing.. what with that big thousand-watt neon sign that says SOMETHING IS THE MATTER!!!! flashing over her head :P

off to work now

hee hee.. im taking a class in star trek... hee hee.... *giggles off*
lain
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 02:32:08 PM
IP: 129.100.249.25

*Walks in wearing all black and a dark blue Fire Fighter shirt*

My father is a fire fighter, events such as what occured one year ago affect me dearly because on any given day he too could be taken away from me, but I do not cry because to him it is a duty and his job. Death in the line of duty is just something that happens. Though I hope I never have to hear bagpipes because of him.

Anyhow, I updated my site so now if there are people who have not gone to look at the art because it was not thumbnailed and that was annoying, well now it is. Still a cheap site so speed still sucks, can't help that yet.

Spacebabie- *catches kiss* thanks ^_^

Tomorrow is Lynati's birthday so everyone wish her a happy 21st.

"My brother and I didn't have names, when our father would call for us it was always, "Goddammit!" and "Jesus Christ!""
-Bill Cosby-

later

Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 01:37:01 PM
IP: 129.120.173.67

Gside: <Does he at least snack on the upstairs renter?>
Alas, no. HE mostly keeps to himself, tends the garden, fends off rabid fans, and in general just waits for the stars to align.
<Assuming it isn't a time delayed failure while you're sleeping.>
Ick. Don't remind me.
<Shame. Keep them in mind if you do cement work>
I wish I DID have one when I was securing my pantry to the floor.
<Ah, but you didn't recognize the quote, did you?>
Nope. Sorry. What's it from?
<Around here, it's a pastime to spray me with Fabreeze>
Get it by the drum and SAVE!
<They do broadcast fooball and basketball over the internet, I believe.>
But that would actually require me to actively tune into a sporting event (that dosn't involve lots of blood and killing).
Ain't gonna happen.
<As you wish>
Ahh... that's better! I went to the artists site on MP3.com and downloaded most of his stuff

Your got it from Netscape?

Imzadi: <Behold turbo-production!>
I wish. I could use a few turbos.
<I'd be pissed too if some maniac with a wrench and a soldering iron was running amuck in MY house>
LM just likes things to work. Go figure!
<You are dreaming>
Well, yeah. BUT I don't need to pay anyone else for the labor, and the most expensive things will be (in order):
Windows (I was thinking XP)
Brick (and related stuff)
Roof.
The interior stuff (Carpet, drywall, etc) will come a bit later.
I just figured something out... my pantry (square footage wise) is about 15% the total square footage of my house!

The best!
<Holy sh*t! That's smaller than my apartment>
How big IS your apartment?
<That's what, two rooms?>
Yep. The average around here.
<Or you can debug yourself while you're in the shower>
until [ $body -eq clean ]
do
/usr/lbin/wash.sh
done
<But most women have them>
Damn them.
<Sure, but why would you want to?>
I don't know, but there must be a reason.
Hmm... "Want to take the beast out of beastiality?"
<Most of my friends would make a special trip to smack me upside the head if I tried to do that.>
Well, most of your friends would probably do that anyway, just for fun.

Spacebabie: <Most women are not as stacked as I am>
Ok, now I know you are a fake! There CAN'T be a very stacked woman in this fandom! FAKE! FAKE! ;)
<Let me guess…you watch the Man Show?>
Na. I just know of it.

***WARNING! POOR HUMOR WARNING!***
The following joke may be inappropriate to those without a sense of humor, the easily offended, and just about anyone else on the planet.

"What was your first thoughts when you saw the World Trade Center collapse?" - Reporter
"I was with my friend and I was, like, 'Dude, these special effects SUCK!'" - Random teen

***END POOR HUMOR WARNING!***
Fire Storm
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:55:49 PM
IP: 66.72.179.237

Did anyone vote yesterday? They had the democrat primaries yesterday. Still don't know who one yet. Either Reno or a guy named McBride. It's close and Reno is behind. The polls were open late because of a Reno, and I have a feeling that when it end and if she is still behind she will demand a recount.
Gotta love those who worked for Clinton! They never give up do they?

Come November I'm going to cast my vote for Jeb, damn his son is hot!

Good TGS episode, I don't really have any comments on this one, cause they have been said already. wait!
:::Blows Revel a Kiss:: Excellent artwork my friend.

Replies

Lexy>>>Welcome Back. I hope you had a great Honeymoon and I hope the weather down here didn’t ruin things for you.

Firestorm<<<BBQ, definately.>>>Yum, I gotta agree with you there.<<<Most women do.>>>Most women are not as stacked as I am.<<<The other bouncy things look much better when you are on THOSE bouncy things!>>>Let me guess…you watch the Man Show?

Gside<<<But they do bounce under the proper conditions, right?>>>Ask Mara. She tested their sproingyness.<<<Constantly. But I'd like some help with it.>>>You need help??? Okay :::Gives Gside a copy of Sex for Dummys:::

Josh<<<Finished off three assignments today and part of my fourth.>>>Keep banging away at your homework bread boy.<<<For my geology assignment we were asked to write about the geology where we grew up and describe problems with putting a subway in.>>>Too many water tables over here.<<<At least he isn't as skinny as I am. And I'm taller, I think.>>>Goodness you must look anorexic. Hey I just want to make sure the mate of my Mara sama is well nourished.<<<Perhaps, but breasts are better bouncy things>>> Can you jump on one?<<<No kidding. On the plus side, there are many 3 day weekends in my future, as I no longer have class on Friday.>>>Whoo freaking hoo.<<<No, not really.>>>Right cause then you’d be sleeping with Eliza Dushku then.<<<The professor found me 10 minutes after class had started and informed me that the room had changed.>>>Are you in Berkley or Hogwarts?<<<<Did you miss all my head jokes last fall?>>>My favorites was the fluids and balls

Wilek>>>Who makes these things?

DPH>>>Your slipping...thanks for fixing the link.

Patrick<<<it's nice to see the TGS Comment Room being used to talk about TGS again>>>You mean that’s what the TGS comment room is for?

Aaron<<<No, not until I start exercising again.>>>I just don’t want you to get malnourished.<<<That is cool. Did you fight to the death like in The Cable Guy?>>> No, but we were part of the same team and then I showed him the castle that was for sale in Kissimmee and Xanadu: The house of the future too….It’s also for sale.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:29:36 AM
IP: 67.24.16.70

Josh> <<and studied for the GRE mostly>>

ohhhhhh, damn! that does sound pretty nerve-wrecking. Since you're about to take it, would you reccommend any study books for it or some classes. I'll be taking it at the end of this academic year and haven't even looked into anything yet <:D.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 08:33:17 AM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Woke up at the buttcrack of dawn for my twice-moved geology class. The professor found me 10 minutes after class had started and informed me that the room had changed. Then we discovered that there were now only 4 people in the class, so that meant that we were changing the time again. Looks like its gonna be random. Oh well, better than 8AM.

Worked on my resume and studied for the GRE mostly. And some finishing of homework. GRE Friday morning...I'm a bit nervous.

Patrick Toman: <<it's nice to see the TGS Comment Room being used to talk about TGS again>>: Seriously. Call CNN. <<Have you taken hydraulics or fluid dynamics yet?>>: Did you miss all my head jokes last fall? <<have your professor give you a spanking>>: Somehow I don't think professor Sobey would be into that. <<cause you should already know what a hammer arrestor is for>>: I swear he never mentioned it. <<It's a device that prevents "water hammer" - the loud banging sound old pipes often make due to air trapped in the lines>>: That explains it. This is Berkeley. We deal in theory, not plumbing. <<now it's time to make the donuts>>: Shouldn't you be eating them? Interns should be making them.

Airwalker: <<Don't yell at me, you have your secrets too! Why didn't you tell me about Pandora? What were you doing while I was sitting here crying over you and our children for TEN YEARS!>>: I guess a female could do that. <<its more likely than not that Gwen is married or at the very least deeply involved with Harthoth>>: Good insight. Looking forward to seeing if its true. <<it would be nice to see someone take a different route once in a while>>: Setting yourself up as a god goes against the Rules for Evil Warlords. <<It feels more like its raw relations between two Human groups>>: You have to realize that as gargoyles being to increase their numbers, they will eventually become just another minority. <<This possibility is probably unlikely considering Libya is hostile to Egypt, Egypt is hostile to Israel and while Egypt claims Sudan as a part of it the Sudanese see it differently>>: Maybe Egypt will just conquer them.

Aaron: <<which is cooler "mouse fart" or "Doom Cock"?>>: WTF is a Doom Cock? <<anything that makes the gun meaner looking>>: I'm thinking F-14. <<Don't forget your Dalton and (shudder) Lazenby>>: If its all the same to you, I'd rather forget both. <<How much are we talking about here?>>: I think the total spent on my tower and attached accessories is close to 6k. <>: Ironically, I have no credit. Credit card companies seem to be annoyed that I pay them back in full every month. <>: No one likes 19.8% interest. <<wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill today because they pissed me of>>: Is it really wisdom that tells you to do that?

Gside: <<Whereas I managed to learn from my parents' correct decisions>>: Well that. That's not really learning though. That's copying. Learning is transforming information into something useful. <<It's debatable with hello world>>: I have yet to see a hello world program that couldn't use a better GUI ;-) <<I'm invincible>>: Okay, this joke has gone far enough.

til tomorrow.

'Isn't it pretty? It raises the dead!'...stupid americans.
-Giles (Anthony Head), "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 02:22:53 AM
IP: 64.165.202.125

Good work on Timedancer again.

Imzadi> <>: Whereas I managed to learn from my parents' correct decisions.
<<No code is perfect, sadly>>: It's debatable with hello world.
<<What are you gonna do, bleed on me?>>: I'm invincible!.
<<OOOH!>>: Pretty much.

Aaron> <<All the more reason not to bug me when I'm behind the wheel>>: Right, but it still doesn't change the grammatical nit I was getting at.
<<Don't forget your Dalton and (shudder) Lazenby>>: No, but they weren't coming to mind at the moment. And you forgot David Niven.
<>: But there is no way you would want to pay off any interest on it.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:37:02 PM
IP: 165.230.240.115

Aaron: <Okay. I'll send you the version of the funny that was done two weeks ago.> What, I can't have the version you finished last night? <And a cool idea it is too.> Now, if I can only do it justice... <Terrible things, but great nonetheless...> *giggles* you know, I was thinking of that line after I wrote the post... <Word, homie> Riff??

and now, for homework. (I like this homework. it's the kind of homework that requires looking up nude sculptures.)
Lynati
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 07:52:52 PM
IP: 66.140.85.175

Spacebabie - <Just a quick post....
Could someone fix the new Timedancer link? I keep getting the 404 page!> The link is fixed by the person who made the mistake. (Hopefully, that should teach said person not to edit HTML pages when he is dead tired.)
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 06:03:29 PM
IP: 204.94.193.56

Moochie> <> It was a Walther PPK 9mm until Goldfinger where he trades it in for a 7.65. It may have changed since Brosnan took over, but I'd have to review the movies to check. <<That said, lillte guns can be fun too.>> But which is cooler "mouse fart" or "Doom Cock"? <<Ever seen a Ruger MkII with an integral supressor?>> Only in pictures. They are kinda cool looking, but I'd rather have a nine mil with an external suppressor, for versatility and greater power. <<A little too fancy for my tastes...>> Unless fancy means "It breaks a lot" give me accessories. Comps, ports, lasers, anything that makes the gun meaner looking. Gimmie gimmie gimmie! << have you seen the anime Hellsing?>> Can't say as I have. Does it have vampires in it?

Gside> <<But they don't quite remain people after they are divided.>> All the more reason not to bug me when I'm behind the wheel, eh? <<Is that adult or all males?>> Adult, I believe. <<But are all flavors equal?>> No. <<You have your Connery, your Moore, your Brosnan.>> Don't forget your Dalton and (shudder) Lazenby.

Josh> <<You have an excuse every time. The question is whether or not its valid or accepted ;-)>> Point. <<Forgive me for sounding like a spoiled brat, but I don't want a Lexus. Its a souped-up
Camry. They should have bought a BMW.>> Hey, I agree. <> How much are we talking about here? I have obscene amounts of credit. And besides, I did say only if I *really* liked you. ;) <<School ID's?>> Similar, but more useful. <<Actually I was hoping you could explain its context in the link you provided so I could understand *that* joke.>> In half of the "What will happen in Episode Three" answers it says "So-and-so likes pie." <<And I'm taller, I think.>> Everyone's taller then me. It's not much of an accomplishment.

GB> <<Dear God, Grant me...>> I have one of those on my desk at work. Except it says "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill today because they pissed me off."

Jan> Never driven in Houston, so I can't really compare the two. I've driven around Dallas just enough to know that I don't much like Dallas tho'.

Lynati> <<Oh, alright. I'll send it two weeks ago.>> Okay. I'll send you the version of the funny that was done two weeks ago. <> And a cool idea it is too. <<I've gotten great things done in its stead.>> Terrible things, but great nonetheless... <<*goes back to the projects*>> Word, homie.

Spacebabie> <<Dude you need to eat more.>> No, not until I start exercising again. <> That is cool. Did you fight to the death like in The Cable Guy?

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 06:01:52 PM
IP: 66.142.65.25

**CONTAINS COMMENTS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**

JOSH - You wrote: [Somehow "you didn't tell me you saw your female friend" doesn't quite compare with "you're consorting with the enemy". She's got nothing on Brooklyn.]

I was thinking of it being more along the lines of her using it like "Don't yell at me, you have your secrets too! Why didn't you tell me about Pandora? What were you doing while I was sitting here crying over you and our children for TEN YEARS!"

And on top of that the situation with Harthoth is twisted - he's the enemy but at the same time he is constantly described as also being Brooklyn's best friend too. Its not always clear if consorting with him is a bad thing or not. Sometimes its a judgement call and I would think that Brooklyn would trust Sata's judgement.

You wrote: [What?! When did that happen?]

Its based on a good guess - We know that Gwen's somewhere in the area of Egypt, that she'll have a husband in the future who had a shady past and is opposed to having their child named "Brooklyn" while at the same time Harthoth is seen involved with a blonde and talking to everyone like he's recently gotten married. Putting it all together we get the situation where its more likely than not that Gwen is married or at the very least deeply involved with Harthoth.

You wrote: [It would only have taken me 300 years, I think.]

Yeah, but she's been around for 8000 years before the 300 years in question. Either something major happened in the 300 years (like her movement being limited but that doesn't seem to have happened - she's probably still able to travel Egypt and the Cairo bit in the story will probably be corrected eventually) or the fact that stability has kept the borders of Egypt the same is whats making her crazy or even having seen Brooklyn and his wife in the middle of the 20th century just started chewing at her soul; she probably didn't have that much contact with anyone for a long time and then seeing Brooklyn might have set her up for instability.

You wrote: [Just another spark in the nearing flame war that is the Brooklyn/Sata relationship.]

A lot on Sata's leaving Meryt behind depends on if anyone happens to tell Brooklyn that Sata left her behind and how Meryt reacts to it. If she isn't upset and in fact wanted to be left alone then it would make it more difficult for Brooklyn to react; how can he be more upset than the person who was effected by Sata's leaving?

You wrote: [You say it like there's a lot of them. There aren't.]

In terms of numbers there isn't. But it if you look at most of the villains we get a suprising number of them being CEOs; Xanatos, Thailog, Demona, Madoc, and I think in a minor way Castaway in the 20th century while here we now have Harthoth and Madoc Lite added to the list. I'm not saying that its a bad idea or that it doesn't make sense for them to do things that way (being a CEO would give them easy access to resources they need) but still it would be nice to see someone take a different route once in a while.

You wrote: [He was hardly powerless in the 20th.]

But he wasn't as powerful as he would have been as an adult which he is in the 23rd century. And on top of that he's probably dealing with his kid which would make the situation of a Halfling (Merlin) vs a Quaterling (Madoc Lite).

You wrote: [At some point, that would necessarily happen. They're not alien. They're native to earth. Their ideals, values, and ways of living are very similar to humans. Of course they would integrate more with society.]

Its not the integration into general society that bugs me; I accept that and in fact expect that. Its more a feeling in how relations are being treated between the Gargoyles and Humans. I don't know how to describe it - its more a feeling of tone than of substance. It feels more like its raw relations between two Human groups rather than overwhelming, outnumbering, tolerating Humans and slowly recovering, outnumbered, and tolerated Gargoyles.

The Gargoyles are almost turning into Humans with Wings. I'm not against the idea of styles of thought and dress changing but its like all the change we see is on Gargoyles adopting Humanity while Humanity remains almost completely isolated and untouched by them. Even the vocabulary of the Humans is unchanged from dealing with Gargoyles. Its more an argument that the Gargoyles are the only ones being shown to be changed by the encounter between two ancient races that dwell on the earth; that might be why it seems like the Gargoyles are almost sometimes being played as a Human tribe wandering around Manhattan in 23rd century TGS.

You wrote: [I must have completely missed this. When does it happen?]

Again it is an intelligent guess based on the evidence we've gotten in the episodes. Gwen does have a husband who the future Clan has a Demona-ish relationship with and Harthoth has a Blonde wife/girlfriend. Its not hard to put the two together. However at this point it is only speculation. But still it isn't such a bad guess and the story possibilities from it are interesting.

You wrote: [In the right/wrong hands, 300 years can change a lot. Notice you didn't make it any worse either, but it certainly could have gone that way.]

You have a point - 300 years can change a lot. But I still don't think that without outside intervention of some sort that we're going to end up in the original Utopian situation that TGS had its 23rd century in. Borders, nations, situations might all change but I just can't see utopian peace. I'm glad TGS decided to move away from this angle. But I'm just hoping that we don't get a 20th century redux either - the situation should be similar but new at the same time. Same or similar underlying problems being reacted to and thought about in different ways due to the changes that have happened over time.

You wrote: [Speaking of which, its entirely possible that Egypt's borders have changed drastically. 150 years is a long time.]

Possible. Although the trend at this time seems to be to solidify the borders that were created in the post colonial world. It's possible that Cairo could spread out and link to other cities forming one big urban spread that would be considered Egypt with the rest of the country being discounted. Or it could be possible that some confederation might be founded with a few neighbors. (This possibility is probably unlikely considering Libya is hostile to Egypt, Egypt is hostile to Israel and while Egypt claims Sudan as a part of it the Sudanese see it differently.) But odds are that the borders of 23rd century TGS Egypt are the same as they look like in the 20th century.

**END OF COMMENTS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:16:08 AM
IP: 12.88.116.47

Just a quick post....
Could someone fix the new Timedancer link? I keep getting the 404 page!
Spacebabie
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 09:26:29 AM
IP: 65.57.81.99

Wow... it's nice to see the TGS Comment Room being used to talk about TGS again. Can't add much to the discussion, though... haven't had time to read any of the Timedancer yet.

So a few quick comments on other subjects...

Congrats again to Lexy and Kaioto!

Josh > Have you taken hydraulics or fluid dynamics yet? If so, have your professor give you a spanking, 'cause you should already know what a hammer arrestor is for. It's a device that prevents "water hammer" - the loud banging sound old pipes often make due to air trapped in the lines.

Christine > If you want to compare word counts, I hear Madame Destine is up for the challenge. The fifth and final installment of "Home is a Dark Place" should be out by later this week, bringing the grand total to around 150,000 words. ;)

And no... the above was NOT just a blatant teaser of coming attractions in the fanfic archive. :: waves hand :: And these are not the droids you are looking for.

And finally, a dose of sarcasm...

Today on CNN.com > Oh joy... can it really be? Another new bin Laden video? Sheehs. This guy's had more world premiere videos in the past year than most pop stars. Meanwhile, Michael Jackson can't even sell his latest album. He must be getting ticked.

And now it's time to make the donuts. :: off to work ::

Tech Support: "I don't use AOL. I've got higher standards."
Special Ed: "Does that mean I have lower standards?" - "Crank Yankers"
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 07:04:49 AM
IP: 67.38.246.224

I hate waking up early for ONE class. Its a waste of a morning that could be spent sleeping. On the plus side I got a bunch of work done, which was cool. And also did some studying for GRE. I'm still nervous about it. This Friday.

***SPOILERS FOR THAT NEW TD EP****

I liked it. It was well written and actually a lengthy read. I'm looking forward to the explosion of Brooklyn when he finds out about Sata and Harthoth. I'm also curious how far that relationship went. Good artwork.

On the other hand, I'm tired of all the waiting around. I'd say 20% of TD episodes feature "Harthoth being patient", "Isfet being impatient", and "Apep doing jack !@#$". While about 3 episodes feature "something bad involving Apep". Its enough already. Dragging stuff out behind the scenes for many episodes *never* happened in the gargoyles TV show. It was mentioned once, perhaps as early as 5 shows prior, and then forgotten about until it happened. Nothing constant, nothing saying to the reader "nyah nyah we know something you don't know!" I hate that.

I think I agree with comments that this is similar to the 20th century TGS, just with slightly different characters. This is 150 years later. Attitudes have changed, some for the better, some for the worse...but very little should be the same. Human nature may not change, but the tactics and methods by which they strike out against fear certainly do.

Why the hell did Harthoth even send for Sata? He didn't keep her from any events in New York, he didn't tell her anything, didn't give her anything...did he just bring her there to let her know that he'd be imprisoning Meryt for a very long time?

What kind of threat does Meryt really pose to Harthoth's plans? She can't even leave Egypt.

***END SPOILERS***

Wilek: Are you buying these dolls?

Christine: <<I've heard the Disney parks are actually quite popular destinations for that>>: I don't get it. Isn't the whole point of a honeymoon to get away with your beloved? So why spend it with 2.4 million stupid tourists?

Airwalker: <<At least now she has some sort of ammunition to use against him in an arguement in the form of Pandora>>: Somehow "you didn't tell me you saw your female friend" doesn't quite compare with "you're consorting with the enemy". She's got nothing on Brooklyn. <<the setup here seems to be for a third Unseelie war with Merlin's son being the driving force this time>>: Good insight. I hadn't caught that. <<putting something together that is going to coincide with Harthoth's plans isn't a great idea>>: On the contrary, it allows for a nice build up of disconnected events up to a huge "sh*t hitting the fan from all angles" battle royale. With lots of death and destruction. I'll only bitch if it isn't written well ;-) <<if he is that ruthless and wants to die so much then why get married to Gwen>>: What?! When did that happen? <<I'm only suprised that it took her this long to break down and that it didn't happen centuries before>>: It would only have taken me 300 years, I think. <<I'm suprised that Sata walked away so easily knowing that Meryt would probably be returned to imprisionment; I'm curious how Brooklyn would react to that>>: Just another spark in the nearing flame war that is the Brooklyn/Sata relationship. <<I'd think that police would be against them on the grounds of superior strength and flight giving them an advantage and people being against them because they live with some rich man like kings with their heads in the clouds rather than on the ground where everyone has to struggle and work for a living>>: Absolutely. It would be a political movement, claiming unfair reverse discrimination for the gargoyles or something such thing. <<rather than be just another CEO>>: You say it like there's a lot of them. There aren't. <<he's not a powerless kid in the 23rd century of TGS>>: He was hardly powerless in the 20th. <<the Gargoyles tend to almost feel like they are being reduced to being just another human minority rather than a unique, even alien society>>: At some point, that would necessarily happen. They're not alien. They're native to earth. Their ideals, values, and ways of living are very similar to humans. Of course they would integrate more with society. <<

Leo: <<I've always thought of Harthoth as "Spawn" (the Harthoth-Isfet-Apep relationship is definately similar>>: Good call. I never thought of that. <<at some later point Gwen will be persuading the clan to accept Harthoth>>: I must have completely missed this. When does it happen?

Heather: <<You have to get a patrol licease? WHAT? That is just... they're getting too human for me>>: that is the natural course of the gargoyles' evolution as they interact in the human world. They don't go to school, they don't go to college, they don't go to the police academy...so why on earth should the police force let them help?

DPH: <>: Would it help if I yelled at him? <<count the number of ways in each story where things were wrong and the number of ways the story could have been improved>>: A drinking game? <<Of course, I imagine a dirtier mind than mine would have more interesting answers>>: There's really only one. <<Technically speaking, normally stories are released at midnight Eastern Time>>: Yes but when he posted it was well past that.

Gside: <<the media (and men) instills in many that theirs aren't bouncy enough>>: Very true. <<A wise, wise man>>: I learn from my parents' mistakes. <<is OSS the best place to steal the stuf>>: It doesn't matter. Once you have it working, you can fix bugs later. No code is perfect, sadly. <<Come 'ere>>: What are you gonna do, bleed on me? <<montypython.net>>: OOOH!

Alan: <<I've always liked the idea of a gargoyle lawyer>>: Good. Hopefully we'll see one soon. <<that's all for now>>: I'd hope there's a story coming. The problem is the ordering. A story that develops Artus as leader would be something that should be shown pretty soon after Brooklyn's introduction to the 22nd century. Just like in the TV show, how each gargoyle had his own character development episode shortly after Awakenings. <<why would we be able to do it 300 years>>: In the right/wrong hands, 300 years can change a lot. Notice you didn't make it any worse either, but it certainly could have gone that way. Speaking of which, its entirely possible that Egypt's borders have changed drastically. 150 years is a long time. And they're surrounded by people they don't get along with. I wouldn't be surprised to see Meryt have increased freedom. <>: I'll take your word on it.

I'm not fat, I'm festively plump!
-Eric Cartman, "South Park Christmas Episode"

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of a
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 02:05:00 AM
IP: 64.165.202.125

**CONTAINS COMMENTS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**

LEO - You wrote: [I don't see the revenge factor that was Demona's motivation.]

I wasn't saying that he was being written as a Demona clone - he's far from it. I'm just saying that most of the villains/grey area characters somehow end up going into business in an alternate secret identity where they tend to be friendly benign characters. We have in GARGOYLES though TGS Xanatos, Thailog, Demona, Madoc, and Harthoth. That's quite a lot. I'm just saying that while its alright for him to be a business man, it would have been more interesting for him to be doing something else, even a minor job as a salaryman - it would have fit better with his desire to find escape in the details of a normal life rather than be just another CEO.

You wrote: [That aside however, we do know from "Requiem" in 2238, even though the Apep issue seems to be resolved at this point, Harthoth is still not welcomed by many of the clan.]

Which means that he gets a chance to live. But if all he wants is to simply die and his plan is mainly to find death by fufilling his masters will then why prepare to have a life? Why get married at all except as a distraction from the agony of the life you currently have? It would be interesting to see more of his relationship with Gwen since it would clarify exactly how much she knows about him and his past, if he just got involved with her as a distraction and then came to love her or if he seriously intended to start a relationship because he had plans to have a life after Apep.

You wrote: [The last time we saw Merlin himself was when hewas being rescued from the former Hotel Cabal in 2158]

And he does mention have problem with his kids in that same episode. I'm curious to see how an Unseelie War breaks out this time and how he'd react to it - he's not a powerless kid in the 23rd century of TGS.

HEATHER - You wrote: [Alot of stuff I didn't get with the 23rd century srtting. Too me it is too... "perfect". You have to get a patrol licease? WHAT? That is just... they're getting too human for me...]

That is a complaint that I do have about some aspects of TGS in general - the Gargoyles tend to almost feel like they are being reduced to being just another human minority rather than a unique, even alien society. Some of it started with this emphasis on having Gargoyles split the Clan down to the individual parent level although this episode seems to try to move away from that slightly. (Sata and Brooklyn choosing to be independent parents is understandable given that they have a Timedancer mentality and might still have that in mind - don't want to have too many attachments in the future and don't want the kids to form that many attachments either.)

I hope that as TGS 23rd century is developed the differences will begin to be much more developed. I'm can accept the bit about patrol licensing for example because it makes sense that the police would want Gargoyles to act as part of the department if they choose to fight crime to avoid ruining undercover cases and to keep all the arresting/crimestopping legal by Human law.

ALAN - You wrote: [Damn you for pointing out my faults. No, really, I have a story that deals with that, I just don't know when it will get told.]

If its was a plot point then I wouldn't have minded it too much. But since its just a mistake it would just be easier to go over the story and change all the instances she mentions Cairo with Egypt instead. It was particularly distracting in the story because it didn't come off as a plot point or a change of any sort - her dialogue makes it plain that she's refering to a long standing inability to leave the borders of Egypt but she keeps talking about Cairo alone. If your going to keep it as a plot point then this episode needs some additions to it to make mention of the fact that something has happened that limits her movement even further. (It would make sense why she would become even more upset currently if her movement had been even more limited but it would still be only a recent thing for her if it had happened - only in the last 300 years. But without the story being modified a bit with a line or two here and there then its more of a mistake than a retconned plotline.)

To be honest if your not going to address it this Season then I'd much prefer if you just made the minor changes to the story itself to correct this rather than come up with a new story for a god knows when future season. If your going to do a retcon to address this misshap then this story needs some editing. Otherwise on its own it won't sit right and shouldn't have to wait for a companion episode to smooth it out.

**END OF COMMENTS ON CURRENT TGS EPISODE**
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:10:22 AM
IP: 12.88.86.161

Doh. That message came out mixed up. You all get the point of it though.

And then I go and post nothing.

I suck.
Alan - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Monday, September 9, 2002 11:39:30 PM
IP: 24.116.93.43

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Alan
Monday, September 9, 2002 11:38:37 PM
IP: 24.116.93.43

TGS Comments:

Heather - <<You have to get a patrol licease? WHAT? That is just... they're getting too human for me...>> It's a compromise. As shown in "Crossroads," not every gargoyle chooses to become a patroller. Some protect in other ways. There's mention of gargoyles who serve in forensic fields. I've always liked the idea of a gargoyle lawyer. =-)

Seriously, it is, by far, a human world. Even in the future. Garg patrols are an extension of the police force. I'm sure that somewhere out there is a gargoyle in the homicide squad, or a task force of some kind.

Airwalker - <<Meryt wasn't limited to just Cairo; she was limited to the borders of Egypt.>> Damn you for pointing out my faults. No, really, I have a story that deals with that, I just don't know when it will get told.

<<we don't really see Artus or the previous leader>> There is a story there, as well.

And that's all for now. Keep the comments coming.

<<a feeling over the shift in the utopia we've been getting. I'm extremely glad that the staff has moved away from the concept of a utopia by the 23rd century>> This is something we discussed in detail when planing out the season. My own personal take on it was that if we haven't been able to solve our problems in all of the time we've been around, why would we be able to do it 300 years.

For the most part, we only focus on a chunk of the world in the future. New York, Egypt... and that's basically it. That is all that is important for the story that we're telling.
Alan Coleman Waltrip - [awaltrip@cableone.net]
Odessa/Midland, TX
Monday, September 9, 2002 11:38:11 PM
IP: 24.116.93.43

Fire Storm> <<Could you upload Wormsong?>>: As you wish.
<>: Not sure if that version was actually used in a game. I got it from the composer.

Imzadi> <<But most women have them>>: But the media (and men) instills in many that theirs aren't bouncy enough.
<>: A wise, wise man.
<<Or just jack some OSS stuff>>: But is OSS the best place to steal the stuff?
<<You'll what?!>>: Come 'ere!
<<is that the right response?>>: montypython.net

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, September 9, 2002 11:17:30 PM
IP: 165.230.240.115

UPN doesn't like me... It doesn't show me the schedule for Digimon Frontier.
I got digital cable but nooooooooo.... I got to check tomorrow morning...

BUT! I got accepted for our high school's National Art Honor Society. We had our first meeting today and we're going on a fieldtrip to Atlanta. I've never been to Atlanta, as in the city itself, only the airport so this is new to me, even though I've lived here for 5 1/2 years.
But we got a donut sale for our trip to Italy? Anyone want a box for $4?

*grins*

I know, I just remember my godlen days of being a TGS-holic...
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Monday, September 9, 2002 09:05:58 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

sorry, about not posting sooner. Saturday, I only got 4 hours of sleep thanks to a certain moron and Sunday, by my reckoning I had 7 hours of sleep. Literally, I was fighting to stay awake last night and I finally caved in around midnight my local time. I slept 11 hours today.

Time to catch up.

Imzadi - <Perhaps, but that doesn't make it any more realistic.> *Refrains from commenting.* <Gee, you mean like in TimeDancer? Or perhaps in Pendragon?> *whistles* Alright, Operation Sheep's Wool is working according to plan. I think I have a use for that series: count the number of ways in each story where things were wrong and the number of ways the story could have been improved.

Patrick - <If these parents get their way, I sure wouldn't want to be this kid in 18 years, trying to apply to an American college or get a travel visa.> Yea, choosing that name is really stupid unless the parents think that in 18 years we will forget about it.

Imzadi & Aaron - <Run amuck, become a ___________ > Thanks for filling in the blank. Of course, I imagine a dirtier mind than mine would have more interesting answers.

Jannie - This is where I get mad because of political correctness. Of course, did you see the episode of "Boston Public" that dealt with that issue?

Oh yea, the biggest hypocrite in my church is leaving: the pastor. Oh, the tales I could tell about this man lying, forging a check, etc.

Airwalker - Just wait a few more weeks and things will become . . interesting. :-)

Heather - <No new Timedancer? Just when I start believing that everyone is turning normal.> Way back when I said 1/4 of the season was ready, I meant every word and the first 3 (Safe Harbor, Solstice, and The Evil That Men Do) were the stories I was referring to.

Anon - <not to be impatient, but it's 12:15 and there are no new eps posted yet!!> Technically speaking, normally stories are released at midnight Eastern Time.

For those of you curious about when I got up this morning, it was shortly before "All the Empty Places" was released. I probably would have been up sooner if I had a nap Sunday afternoon. What's my excuse for that? Helping a lady get home after church (30 minute drive one way) and church services got moved up an hour earlier.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, September 9, 2002 08:17:35 PM
IP: 204.94.193.53

TIMEDANCER SPOILERS:
It was.... interesting. Alot of stuff I didn't get with the 23rd century srtting. Too me it is too... "perfect". You have to get a patrol licease? WHAT? That is just... they're getting too human for me...

END SPOILERS
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Monday, September 9, 2002 07:30:17 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Airwalker:<<..a nice status quo for Harthoth in the 23 century (but) sort of Demona-ish....>>I've always thought of Harthoth as "Spawn" (the Harthoth-Isfet-Apep relationship is definately similar) with a bit of "Darth Vadar." I don't see the revenge factor that was Demona's motivation. That aside however, we do know from "Requiem" in 2238, even though the Apep issue seems to be resolved at this point, Harthoth is still not welcomed by many of the clan. According to Angela "it's so difficult to forgive him for the things that he's done...I seem to recall another outcast, long ago, who somehow managed to reform. So, I suppose that your husband is capable of the same" So yes, at some later point Gwen will be persuading the clan to accept Harthoth the way Angela did with Demona (I think)<<with Merlin's son being the driving force this time>>Hmm. The last time we saw Merlin himself was when hewas being rescued from the former Hotel Cabal in 2158 (Crossroads Pt. 2) How much Merlin knows about it.
We also know from that ep. that Alex "owes" Harthoth a favor and that he will eventually learn that Harthoth was responsible for the draining of his daughter.

It's good to finally see some TGS related comments.
Leo
Monday, September 9, 2002 06:42:43 PM
IP: 172.154.28.50

Its been a while since I posted in here. I've been meaning to but everytime I sit down I end up spending my time posting epics :-) in the other comment room. But I had some comments on the new TGS episode so I figured now would be a good time to stop by. Anyway:

**CURRENT EPISODE SPOILERS**

A pretty good episode but then they usually are. But TIMEDANCER stories in general tends to be excellent when it focuses either on Brooklyn and Sata's relationship specifically as the plot or on Harthoth and TIMEDANCER Egypt. As we have elements of both plots in this story, it makes it even more enjoyable to read.

It does set up a nice status quo for Harthoth in the 23 century although it sort of Demona-ish; it would have been a more interesting departure to not have him establish himself as yet another mystical being posing as a businessman. There tend to be so many of them in the Gargoyles Universe in general. :-)

I liked the contrast being established between Sata's secrets that developed between 2158 and 2168 and Brooklyn's over that same time period. It'll be interesting to see how everyone reacts when all the secrets get blown out into the open. At least now she has some sort of ammunition to use against him in an arguement in the form of Pandora.

This story moves things along very well although a lot of it depends on having read TGS GARGOYLES - the setup here seems to be for a third Unseelie war with Merlin's son being the driving force this time. The parallels are very strong but the development on that angle isn't being moved along as well as it was in the main series. There Madoc had a real reason to want to start a war and we had a strong development in that respect. Here we have a new figure introduced who is starting things up again but its his second appearance and all we know is that he's trying to preform Madoc tricks second hand. (The forced Halflings becoming Zombies ties in very well with the unspecified at the time effects that Madoc himself mentioned would happen sometime in TGS GARGOYLES Season 2.) I hope we get some more development on this angle in future stories. (Besides all this we also have the fact that this Madoc wannabe has bad timing - putting something together that is going to coincide with Harthoth's plans isn't a great idea. I can't wait to see how this is going to turn out.)

But again it was the Harthoth angle of the episode that really interested me. His utter ruthlessness in dealing with Meryt even when he means well shows how much he's transformed from what he was in his very first appearance as Harthoth back in Season 2. Still it raises the question of if he is that ruthless and wants to die so much then why get married to Gwen?

And Meryt's development over time to the same point of desperation but in a worse state than Harthoth is in was very well done. I'm only suprised that it took her this long to break down and that it didn't happen centuries before. Still the ending for her in the episode was shocking - locked in a dark room for 3 years to keep her out of Harthoth's way. What could still be keeping her sane? (In fact I'm suprised that Sata walked away so easily knowing that Meryt would probably be returned to imprisionment; I'm curious how Brooklyn would react to that.)

In general I only had two problems with this episode:

The first is that it has an error running through it - Meryt wasn't limited to just Cairo; she was limited to the borders of Egypt. In fact a good chunk of her modern adventures in Season 2 happen in Alexandria which is defintely not even anywhere close to Cairo. Unless something changed in the years between her 1952 adventure and the 2171 appearance, she should still be able to move around Egypt. Its still tragic with a country wide limitation although a city wide limitation would be even more tragic. The entire world literally passed her by while she has to rot alone in a country that even by the 23rd century isn't exactly going to be on top of the world to be really kind saying it.

The second problem I had wasn't so much over any error but rather just a feeling over the shift in the utopia we've been getting. I'm extremely glad that the staff has moved away from the concept of a utopia by the 23rd century but at the same time it seems to be shifting to a sort of similar to late 20th century TGS GARGOYLES attitude. On the one hand I can agree with it but on the other hand it feels more retconnish than it should. I don't think that we can really move back to the point where people would debate if the Gargoyles are animals or demons or not. The times are different - if there is going to be an anti-Gargoyle arguement then it is largely going to be different. The police and people after all interact more with the Clan than they did in the 20th century which would have some sort of influence on thinking. I'd think that police would be against them on the grounds of superior strength and flight giving them an advantage and people being against them because they live with some rich man like kings with their heads in the clouds rather than on the ground where everyone has to struggle and work for a living.

Having everything turn out to be churned out as propoganda preperation by the Unseelie again really just makes most of the humans in the series seem like easily manipulated sheep with the exception of the one or three human allies the Clan has. It would be nice to expand on the ideas of the last episode or two - that acceptance of Gargoyles hasn't been as widespread as was thought and that even the leadership of the Clan has neglected this a bit. Outside of Goliath in Main TGS we don't really see Artus or the previous leader having made any public relations communication attempts towards the general population. In fact Artus seems to be more isolationist in a sort of subconscious manner than Goliath. He makes Goliath seem like an in your face sort of leader and spokesman in comparison.

Again I'm glad that TGS 23rd century isn't a utopia; but it shouldn't be a 20th century redux with a different setting and cast either.

**END OF CURRENT EPISODE SPOILERS**
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, September 9, 2002 03:43:18 PM
IP: 12.88.94.203

Hi people! Popping in here briefly, so I can give my overstressed fingers a whole NEW kind of stress by typing like mad for a few minutes. :-) (Short version - I was at a minor-league craft show over Labor Day weekend. Had a great time, sold lots of stuff, including the large impressive stuff I was planning to show at the *major*-league craft show coming up soon. So the question becomes "how much fancy work can I get done in three weeks?" Am wondering if I'll go numb or stir-crazy first. :-)

Green Baron: <<Dear God, Grant me the Strength to Change the Things I Can, the Patience to Accept those I can't, and the Wisdom to Know the Difference.>> To quote my preacher from yesterday morning: "...plus the fingers in the ears to ignore the things I can't change or accept, and the speed to run away from the things I can't change, accept, or ignore."

Greg B.: <<Does anyone else hate those retarded Rugby Bunch commercials as much as I do?>> I take great pride in being a child of the 80s who *never* saw a single episode of the Brady Bunch. And the commercials still fill me with white-hot, raging annoyance. :-)

Heather: You live in Warner Robins? Cool! I have a craft show near there twice a year - can't wait to get back in October.
Foxfire - [foxfire@sc.rr.com]
Columbia, SC, USA
Monday, September 9, 2002 02:45:34 PM
IP: 165.247.191.2

The artwork for All The Empty Places has been added. Artwork was done by Revel.

Yea, visit http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/ce.html , click my link, or click the link at the top of the page for Current Episode to view this week's story.
DPH - [<--Click here to view this week's story]
AR, USA
Monday, September 9, 2002 01:12:54 PM
IP: 204.94.193.21

So ... congrats again to Lexy and Kaioto! Hope the honeymoon was great. I've heard the Disney parks are actually quite popular destinations for that.

Long night at work. Think I'm coming down with a cold. But the new book's at 98,000 words and counting!

Spacebabie > it was a long letter, and beyond that, I'm not the most qualified to say ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Monday, September 9, 2002 12:16:33 PM
IP: 65.239.13.145

Sorry about the delay,

TGS proudly presents a Timedancer Season 4 story . .

All The Empty Places

Written by Alan Coleman Waltrip

Outline by Alan Coleman Waltrip

(artwork to be add pretty soon)
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, September 9, 2002 12:09:34 PM
IP: 204.94.193.21

Got another fine doll for you all to click and see. :)
Wilek
Monday, September 9, 2002 07:18:35 AM
IP: 128.241.245.34

Heather:<<No new Timedancer?>>I was thinking the same thing, but I'll give them a couple days. Then I WILL go into TGS withdrawl. IiIiIi nununEeEeEed mumYyYy fufIiIiIix. :p
Leo
Monday, September 9, 2002 07:15:26 AM
IP: 172.173.108.179

Lady Mystic> Did you get my bio info? *hopes she did and jumps around*

Question to anyone> Has anyone seen Hamtaro? If you have, is that opening song just addicting?! *looks at the mp3 she gave Robby and sees him sining to it, then she shudders*

No new Timedancer? Just when I start believing that everyone is turning normal....
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Monday, September 9, 2002 06:58:50 AM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Hey everyone! Too late for me to say anything aside from...

FS and I *FINALLY* found Gargoyles pins at our nearest Disney store. ABOUT FREAKING TIME! **L**

And...

***** TGS CR INFORMATION *****

The 2002 CR archive has been updated to include the weeks of August 5th to September 8th, for a total of 5 newly added weeks.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2002/

Thanks to all who kindly saved the CR for me during my absence. I didn't need to ask for missing files after all since FS and I somehow managed to catch each week. But I still *really* appreciate your assistance, whoever you might be. :)

I am in the process of contacting (over the next couple days) people who submitted CR pic requests and CR member profiles and edits to their profiles. I am also in the process of finishing up more images for the CR. More updates will be forthcoming. ;)

***** END TGS CR INFORMATION *****
Lady Mystic - [<-- 2002 CR Archive]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Monday, September 9, 2002 02:28:55 AM
IP: 66.72.176.248

Behold turbo-production! Finished off three assignments today and part of my fourth. Now I spend the week going to various office hours to make sure they were done correctly. Fun fun.

Hey, anyone in here still watching Angel? Can someone tell me what happened to Angel at the end of the last season? And who the knight guy is who keeps calling Cordelia "princess"? I just watched the episode where Connor comes back and runs away with the crack addict girl.

For my geology assignment we were asked to write about the geology where we grew up and describe problems with putting a subway in. I got to rant about how seismically active LA was and how anyone would be a fool to put a subway there...then I finished the essay off with a description of how they wasted BILLIONS putting in a subway system anyway.

No new episode yet?

Lynati: <>: Figured out that part. <<Any attempts to explain it will not do it justice>>: Actually I was hoping you could explain its context in the link you provided so I could understand *that* joke.

Fire Storm: <<hammer-arrestor>>: What's that? <>: I did that once. Got very wet. <<LM isn't too fond of it>>: I'd be pissed too if some maniac with a wrench and a soldering iron was running amuck in MY house. <<Figure it will cost me a few K each>>: You are dreaming. <<Waste of money>>: Amen. Cremate me. <<Clu'thu...is renting the downstairs apartment>>: I bet he throws some interesting parties. <>: I hear you. My favorite is the phone company. "Something doesn't work right" "everything's fine from this end!" <<DLD, Power Armor>>: Sweet! I want. <<Saw a few for 605 square feet>>: Holy sh*t! That's smaller than my apartment. <<<300 square feet>>: That's what, two rooms? <>: Or you can debug yourself while you're in the shower. <<Most women do>>: But most women have them. <<The other bouncy things look much better when you are on THOSE bouncy things>>: Women on Trampolines! <<HanD Solo>>: HAHA. Never thought of that. <<you can purchase frozen semen on-line>>: Sure, but why would you want to? <<How about using the torch in a small area where there are power cords AND gas lines>>: Most of my friends would make a special trip to smack me upside the head if I tried to do that.

Spacebabie: <<Now stop stinking up the CR and take a shower>>: HAHA. <<Dude you need to eat more>>: At least he isn't as skinny as I am. And I'm taller, I think. <<The Boy who aint right also knows a Dan The Man>>: I also know a Dan The Man. One of my good friends from camp. <<No these are boobys>>: Right. Bouncy things. <<Bouncy things are trampolines, pogo sticks, and hippity hops>>: Perhaps, but breasts are better bouncy things. <<Superman was your professor?>>: No. That would be the "Man of Steel Professor". <<What a waste of a perfectly good Friday that was meant for sleeping in>>: No kidding. On the plus side, there are many 3 day weekends in my future, as I no longer have class on Friday. <>: Actually I like to stare at many parts of a girl. <<The ones that hang in a row and you pull one back and it slams into the others causing a domino effect that will cause the one at the end to jut forward then swing back and slam into the other balls repeating the process>>: No. <<You said I have two bouncy things>>: That doesn't mean you have the same shape. <<in the realm of the CR anything can happen>>: No, not really. <<Do I need to wash your brain again>>: It obviously didn't help the first time. <<What’s wrong with reading>>: Nothing. Reading the AISC LRFD Manual sucks, though.

Ravyn: <<I'm already tired of school>>: I feel your pain. Starting my third week is not sitting well with me.

Lexy: <<I'm sorta hazy right now in the brain>>: Ah, post-coital bliss.

Gside: <<Depends on the commute>>: True. But I intend to live close to my place of business. <<Which is the best flavor?>>: I prefer Connery, with Brosnan as a close second. <<What are the bits and pieces that say to enforce this window size, put a button here, but a dropdown menu here?>>: Aren't you supposed to be a programmer? Figure it out. Or just jack some OSS stuff. <<Right, I'll do you for that>>: You'll what?! (is that the right response?) <<same day service>>: Welcome to Los Angeles. <<they do bounce under the proper conditions>>: At that size they would even if they were fake. <<So it was that good>>: If done correctly, hazy doesn't begin to describe it.

Okay, out.

It has organs!
-Christine Powers

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, September 9, 2002 02:07:43 AM
IP: 64.165.202.125

not to be impatient, but it's 12:15 and there are no new eps posted yet!! lmao

:)
Monday, September 9, 2002 01:09:52 AM
IP: 65.56.34.109

Gside: Could you upload Wormsong? (You once uploaded the intro to Worms: Armageddon (I think that's what it was)).
I forgot to move it to LM's computer or my laptop, and I have no idea when I will see my computer again, and I have been jonesing for it...
Fire Storm
Monday, September 9, 2002 12:41:58 AM
IP: 66.72.176.187

Alright guys, NOW is the time to congratulate Lexy & Kai on their marriage.

Lexy< *grin* So did you get much work done on your story? If you go back to last week's CR you'll see everyone congratulating you on getting married! I'm going to miss you in Israel, ya know. Email me sometime! We all definitely have to get together sometime at least once a year..*cackles evilly* If only to discuss how many children you are going to 'bless the world' with.. ;)

*quickly runs to a good hiding spot* dee dee dee.. o.-
cherry - [Sakura1084@hotmail.com]
Monday, September 9, 2002 12:33:20 AM
IP: 68.45.159.80

And I found the direct connect server again. Unfortunately, I can't find a CD sized version of the Nadesico movie. At least it wasn't that good.

Imzadi> <<who needs a $50,000 car for driving to and from work?>>: Depends on the commute.
<<Easily removed. Or grown>>: Depends.
<<Flavors of what?>>: Bond, of course. You have your Connery, your Moore, your Brosnan. Which is the best flavor?
<<If you need help, look at some screen shots of Mac OS X>>: That's not the problem. What are the bits and pieces that say to enforce this window size, put a button here, but a dropdown menu here?
<<Or switch to mac and download the drag-n'-drop developer tools>>: Same thing. Steal code, let the compiler fill in the code for you.
<<Perhaps you should talk to Patrick about that>>: Maybe Wilek. No, that wouldn't be good. Is Fire Storm into genetics or just cybernetics?
<<(Slices off leg)>>: Right, I'll do you for that!

Fire Storm> <<I'll post some day>>: Ooh, same day service.

Spacebabie> <<No these are boobys>>: But they do bounce under the proper conditions, right?
<<trampolines, pogo sticks, and hippity hops>>: Like those.
<<be the master of your own domain>>: Constantly. But I'd like some help with it.
<<Click clack click clack?>>: Newton's Cradle.
<<Do I need to wash your brain again?>>: Won't work. It's pervasive.

Lexy> <<I'm sorta hazy right now in the brain>>: So it was that good?

Fire Storm> <<Clu'thu (sp, I know) is renting the downstairs apartment>>: Does he at least snack on the upstairs renter?
<>: Assuming it isn't a time delayed failure while you're sleeping.
<<Nope. Industrial grade drill presses and band saws>>: Shame. Keep them in mind if you do cement work.
<>: Ah, but you didn't recognize the quote, did you?
<>: Around here, it's a pastime to spray me with Fabreeze.
<<Get us a recording from a sporting event!>>: I'm lazy and don't care much for sports. They do broadcast fooball and basketball over the internet, I believe.

And because it was mentioned recently, I give you the Inu Yasha theme, Change the World.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, September 8, 2002 11:33:15 PM
IP: 165.230.240.115

Last night, I turned on the valve to this one pipe and water burst out of it. I VERY quickly shut it off (No water damage. I took the brunt of the attack).
It helps if you actually sweat (solder) the pipe before you turn the water on!

Jan: <You sound like you are having WAY too much fun with the remodeling ;) j/k It is fun, though.. huh?>
*I* like it! LM isn't too fond of it, but dang it, I LIKE it!
I can't wait for the 2 big projects I plan to do a few short years from now (Project 1 (Vacation, 2 weeks): Expand the back of the house 10' (basement, main floor, upstairs) to at least rough it in. Finishing crap can be done just about any time. Project 2 (Vac. 2 week): Expand the FRONT of the house to make it even with the rest of the houses. Make it look like it currently does from the front (Small, cozy), but expand the hell out of the interior)
I figure it will cost me a few K each (I am doing it myself), but dang it if it won't add 50% plus to my sale price (and more than double my internal area!)
<tacky or going out in style?>
Waste of money.
<when you are finished with remodeling your house – would you come do mine?>
If I was a lot closer, I might consider it!

And this is why I am doing this all myself!

Gside: <Is it a good house?>
Oh yeah. Very good, in fact. One of my uncles bought a house and removed the upstairs attic and made it into one hell of an upstairs apartment and rented out both the upstairs and downstairs.
<Does an eldritch horror imbued in it eat all the residents?>
No, but Clu'thu (sp, I know) is renting the downstairs apartment.
<Still if you mess up, I hear water damage can get a bit expensive.>
Yeah, but I can just hope that one of us would hear the water running and shut off the main.
<Hammer drills?>
Nope. Industrial grade drill presses and band saws.

I have an old ammo box (VERY good seal on it) that keeps things dry. I throw a few of those silica gel packets in it to keep water out.

Imzadi: <They were right. You broke it>
Yeah, but I hate the fact that the utilities will NOT work on some things around here!
For example, for my electrical, *I* have to hook the live wires up to the meter box!

Sounds like my fathers side of the family.
<But more obviously, you are devoid of money>
Oh yeah. Very much so.
<What would you use it for?>
::evil grin::
DLD, Power Armor, Cybernetics 101, my 1:1 scale xenomorph costume, various other large metal based things
<My dad has machines like that at his factory. Mean looking stuff>
Yeah... I want!
<Might have made a better SW2 title>
Failed titles:
Episode 2: The copies strike back
More of the Same
Killer Clones from Outer Space
<You have explosives?! Can I come over and play?>
BYOBc (Bring your own blasting caps)
<Wait, that's a HOUSE!? That's barely an apartment!>
This is one of the LARGER houses we saw. Saw a few for 605 square feet.
And you should also see some of the apartments in this area. <300 square feet.
<You can if your OS won't address it or it doesn't physically fit in the motherboard>
Details, details...
<Good. We were gonna label you a programmer>
YEAH! I can debug my shower!
<Yuck! Did this improve the water pressure?>
Oh yeah! BTW, I checked out one of the drains and scooped out about a cup worth of calcium. Works MUCH better now!

Spacebabie: <BBQ sauce or ketchup?>
BBQ, definately.
Or a nice hot and spicy dry rub. (I have SO got to go to Memphis Smoke)

Most women do.
<Bouncy things are trampolines, pogo sticks, and hippity hops. I want one of those>
The other bouncy things look much better when you are on THOSE bouncy things!
<Now stop stinking up the CR and take a shower.>
I *KNEW* I forgot something! :p

Revel: <Could always go with one of my mother's plan and name a kid Han Solo>
Oh yeah, the kid won't be teased for that. HanD Solo!

Leo: <It has room for 40 breakers, that's 20 more than the old one>
Isn't 200 amp grand?

Gside: <"Always Rutgers, always Coca Cola." - Said at every sporting event.>
Get us a recording from a sporting event!

DPH: 
I checked out their website and you can purchase frozen semen on-line

Green Baron: <Dear God, Grant me the Strength to Change the Things I Can, the Patience to Accept those I can't, and the Wisdom to Know the Difference>
Grant me the strength to not kill the idiots, the patience to accept those I can't and the wisdom to know when not to kill them.

Ravyn: <Wow!!!! You have all the plumbing done already? Man, it would have taken me months and months to do a job like that ... way to go, and congrats on the plumbing!! :)>
Yeah, I am pretty proud of myself too! I liked it! I mean, how often do you get to use a blowtorch indoors? In a closet? How about using the torch in a small area where there are power cords AND gas lines?
...
Ok, ok... but I needed to add a branch there and I forgot about it in pre-assembly!
Fire Storm
Sunday, September 8, 2002 10:09:51 PM
IP: 66.72.181.196

Hey everyone. Just got back from the honeymoon yesterday. We went to Disney World. Saw all the parks. It was fun. I think I will post a much more extensive post later. I'm sorta hazy right now in the brain -_-. See ya..
Lexy
Sunday, September 8, 2002 09:28:02 PM
IP: 66.31.222.137

Howdy, all! :) Hope everyone had a nice weekend!

I just drove through one of the scariest rainstorms I've ever been in on my way to Tucson on I-10 today! It was really hard to see through all the rain, and I was tryin' real hard to keep going and stuff ... but it's a tad bit scary when on the other side of the highway, traffic is stopping for the medical helicopter landing by the road to rescue some people ... they must have had a huge crash or something. :(

I'm already tired of school. Ah, well ... ;)

Greg> Yes, I hate those stupid Rugby Bunch commercials too!!!! They're on TV wayyyy too much also, which makes them even *more* annoying. And I hope all works out okay with the car situation ... what a mess about the lady probably not having insurance and all. :(

Jan> **hugs** Sorry to hear about your dad and all the medical situations! Hope he doesn't need another bypass ... :(

FS> Wow!!!! You have all the plumbing done already? Man, it would have taken me months and months to do a job like that ... way to go, and congrats on the plumbing!! :)

Coyote> **huggles** Hiyas! :)

Off to actually start on some homework! ;)
Ravyn
Sunday, September 8, 2002 07:17:52 PM
IP: 150.135.118.19

slept well during storm, waking up is the hard part. *still groggy after an hour and a half of consciousness* ugh.
Mecord's Cat
Sunday, September 8, 2002 12:26:44 PM
IP: 12.255.1.35

Dad is so diaspointed. Gators lost last night. My School however was winning. I didn't stick around for the final score cause Inu Yasha was coming and then after that bed time.

Is it me or does Dog boy look like a younger Bastard?

I Tried the Red Dr Pepper. Have dip a a cheery Tootsie pop into Dr Pepper and then lick it and when the pop was eaten and the cherry candy residue was left in the soda and you drank it? That is what it tastes like. Yummmy I like adding stuff to Dr Pepper like flavored schnapps and Das Comet.

Replies

Firestorm<<<Got the shower working (Cold AND hot water!) The rest can wait.>>>Now stop stinking up the CR and take a shower.

Aaron<<<The internet has been down at work since last wednesday,>>> :::Uses Lil Ripper to rip DC a new one:::<<<things like eating, (not much)>>>Dude you need to eat more.<<<sleeping, (even less)>>>Evil Snickers<<<A minor detail.>>> Minor but serious.<<<Cool, but not that weird.>>>Here is another cool one. I was at Medieval Times with Greg W.

Heather<<<the junior we call Dan "The Man">>> The Boy who aint right also knows a Dan The Man.

Christine<<<Long letter in the latest issue.>>> How much of it was BS?

Gside<<<No, I want bouncy things. You already have them.>>>No these are boobys. Bouncy things are trampolines, pogo sticks, and hippity hops. I want one of those.<<<Man.>>>be the master of your own domain.

Josh<<<my Steel professor>>> Superman was your professor?<<<So I woke up for ONE class.>>>What a waste of a perfectly good Friday that was meant for sleeping in.<<<From the pictures I've seen, you have two.>>>I forgot you like to stare at girls chests…I want stuff that makes me bounce high into the sky.<<>>The ones that hang in a row and you pull one back and it slams into the others causing a domino effect that will cause the one at the end to jut forward then swing back and slam into the other balls repeating the process? Click clack click clack?<<<Maybe its your crappy HP.>>>Naw it was a messed up ink cartridge.<<<Aren't there rules that say you have to actually have a shape that matches the one you're trying to impersonate?>>> You said I have two bouncy things.<<<More likely that my mouth would pop open. And call you a dirty word or three.>>>Ah but in the realm of the CR anything can happen :::Turns a glass of water into a glass of chocolate milk:::<<<That would suck. Removing it would be a huge pain.>>>Depends on how much oil I use<<<Diet Double Penetrations? Kinky.>>>Diet Dr Pepper…Do I need to wash your brain again? <<<since I spent most of it reading ONE chapter for my steel design class. >>>What’s wrong with reading?

Jaden<<<Had a great thunder storm today. Anyone else sleep well during with thunder and lightning? >>>It’s always the ones who don’t live where it Rains and Thunders all the time that seems to enjoy it, Bah panicky dogs.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, September 8, 2002 11:43:05 AM
IP: 67.25.50.191

Well, a hammer-arrestor or two and a new sink, and all my plumbing is done! (Trust me, at this point, those are really just little things!)

Ah, I'll post some day.
Fire Storm
Sunday, September 8, 2002 06:51:41 AM
IP: 66.72.178.174

Josh: I was referring to the pie joke. It's an inside joke centered around a Gathering 2001 caption of Aaron's. Any attempts to explain it will not do it justice. There are people here who will get the humour in the comment and be amused. The rest *shrug* probably have their own inside-circle jokes and won't care.

Jaden: <Anyone else sleep well during with thunder and lightning?> Yes. and I'm happy to say a storm has just kicked up here.
Lynati
Sunday, September 8, 2002 02:11:12 AM
IP: 65.66.158.38

Today was slow, since I spent most of it reading ONE chapter for my steel design class. I hate it when that happens.

Green Baron: <<You got into Harvard, Berkely?>>: It's Berkeley, schmuck. And that's on the west coast. <<If we put a gun to their heads and make them give it to the poor, we become Democrats or Naderites>>: HAHA! <<You can tell he's Californian by his amoral, modern values>>: There are people all over the country with no morals and modern values. Nothing special about california except that it also has decent weather. <<consumer spending and investment can be good for the economy which gets...>>: I thought we already tried this trickle-down BS. <<fill out my IRA contributions, wipe out all bills>>: When I finished doing those at the end of the summer, I felt as if a tremendous financial burden had been lifted. I hate thinking of my Roth contributions as a burden, but right now those yearly maximums would buy a lot of goodies. <>: Good idea. Can't have you breeding. <>: I'm an atheist. <<Leave her with a will work for foor sign and take 80% of her gains from handouts, too>>: And death penalty to jaywalkers! Especially in Berkeley! <<evil for the sake of evil, which is a far more disturbing notion>>: Its also far more dangerous, as it is totally unpredictable. Evil for the sake of money or power can be anticipated and blocked.

Jan: <<within legal limits>>: Always raining on my parade. <<he’s below the national average for a male’s height>>: Eh, can't do much about that. I can only gloat that it comes with a well below average weight 8-) <<your Thursday class schedule sucks>>: Ugh you have no idea. On the plus side, there will be many mondays, wednesdays, and Fridays where I have no classes 8-) <<I'm a person who thinks spending anything over $30,000 on a car is a waste of money>>: I'd have to agree. I think the only way I could justify a nice car for myself is if a) my parents gave it to me or b) I spent lots of time driving. Yeah, I'd love to drive a mercedes or a BMW, but who needs a $50,000 car for driving to and from work? <>: My roommate's step-mom has one. Its a tank. The real trick to spend the extra $500,000 and get the armor package with turret. Perfect for those weekend drives in the South ;-) <<it has just struck me very funny the way you are twisting the meaning of the word “bondage”>>: Actually its the other way around. Gunjack twisted it to be "bondage", when it was originally referring to James Bond. <<the teacher was reprimanded and it was placed in her employment file>>: And it will forever affect her pay. Sucks, huh? Do people really have to be that ignorant? <<tacky or going out in style>>: It sounds like an insult your alma mater to be buried in something featuring its logo.

Lynati: <<you sing in the key of @$$>>: We used to call it the key of S (suck). <<if you don't get it, don't worry about it>>: I read it and I still don't get it.

Wilek: Twisted sh*t, my friend.

Gside: <<And I also have to think about facial hair>>: Easily removed. Or grown. <<But are all flavors equal?>>: Flavors of what? <<Don't know where to find the code to steal to set up a nice gui, and no one wants to work with text interfaces much>>: Dude, just write your own GUI. If you need help, look at some screen shots of Mac OS X. Or switch to mac and download the drag-n'-drop developer tools. <<Or maybe I just want to have bouncy things>>: Maybe you do. Perhaps you should talk to Patrick about that. <<Just a fleshwound. (Headbutt)>>: (Slices off leg). <<each piece doesn't count even as a dead people>>: No, I suppose not. You still have one dead person.

Jaden: <<Anyone else sleep well during with thunder and lightning?>>: I do. Love the sound of it...though sometimes it scares the crap out of me and I think we're having an earthquake.

Arguing on the internet is like running the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
-EvlPenguin, Slashdot.org poster

Oh, and ten.

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, September 8, 2002 01:22:38 AM
IP: 64.165.202.125

ohh, and congrats to Kai and lexy :D
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Sunday, September 8, 2002 01:20:56 AM
IP: 66.169.210.231

NINE!
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Sunday, September 8, 2002 01:20:08 AM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Eight!
Gunjack Valentine
Sunday, September 8, 2002 01:18:42 AM
IP: 192.133.129.3

SEVENTH!!!
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, September 8, 2002 01:17:44 AM
IP: 216.179.6.40

6th

lucky me :P
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, September 8, 2002 01:03:22 AM
IP: 129.120.235.170

5th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, September 8, 2002 12:57:47 AM
IP: 165.230.240.115

fouramalore!
lain
Sunday, September 8, 2002 12:45:39 AM
IP: 65.93.73.203

Third, in the name of the Fay!

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, September 8, 2002 12:44:01 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

*steps in*

Has anyone seen this yet?
"Smartass Predictions for Star Wars Episode III"

http://www.masterninja.com/smartass/?remark=swep3

they like pie almost as much as we do! (ehh, if you don't get it, don't worry about it.)

oh, and SECOND!!

*kapoof*
Lynati
Sunday, September 8, 2002 12:34:23 AM
IP: 65.66.158.38

Had a great thunder storm today. Anyone else sleep well during with thunder and lightning?

DPH<Thank you for your comments> Hey, I'm just glad to know such fantastic writers.

Congrats to Kaioto and Lexy.

Fire Storm<so wrong> Yeah, very wrong. BTW Congrats on the hot and cold water.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden1443]
Sunday, September 8, 2002 12:30:54 AM
IP: 172.195.164.118