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Lynati> <<And I can�t decipher the rest of that sentence>>: Lately I've preferred the verb parse. It's just my linguistics/comp. sci. background messing with me.
<<Awfully harsh reaction to us wanting you to take the time to spellcheck your work>>: Which is why the Baron stuck around. He didn't care about his typos, nor insist they were correct.

Gunjack> <>: La Vie en Rose?
<<She works in a Lingere store>>: She got the job?
<<Luckiest Man on Mars>>: How good is the red dirt for growing?

Spacebabie> <<So now you are Canadian?>>: Only if I used it as an interjection at the end of sentences. That was a question of its own, short for "Sorry, what was that?" I was just too lazy to type it out.
<<12 monkeys>>: Got it first, and named the exPython director.
<<That is how I do my posts>>: I type directly in my browser, trusting in my mostly good mad technical english skillz.

Phire Cat> <<yeah but any one can do that>>: There is an art to selecting the right slices of video to go with the sound. You generally have over half a solid day's worth of video to root through to find the correct 3 minutes you are going to use.

Hyperion> <>: I'd say souffles are French, but flans are slightly different. Or at least they say they are.
<<overuse of the letter �X�>>: That's not so bad. What's worse is the many different ways they have to get the sounds oh and eh.
<<They taste kinda like peregrine falcon or whooping crane>>: That's not the kind of reservations I'm talking about.
<<Never seen it, so I can�t really help>>: How about the works of Studio Hybrid?
<<dumped me for a Cocker Spaniel>>: That's the kind of reservations I'm talking about.

Jaden> <<Because I just want to see them beat this Buu guy AND IT'S TAKING FOREVER>>: Welcome to the world of "We got ahead of Toriyama, how do we make 22 minutes out of the 15 minutes a manga installment makes?" That is how 5 minutes got stretched across 5 episodes back on Namek.

Heather> <>: Poe doesn't.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, November 17, 2002 01:45:44 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Well, nothing new with me really. Found a $100 Ford Escort I want to buy and fix up. On to the replies....

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Dark shadow> How old are you?

Phire_kat> *huggles back* Hey babe, nice to see you on here =) Maybe you can teach them I’m not PURE evil (only like 99.347%)

Lain> I’ve applied to lots of lingerer stores, but they refuse to hire me ><

On a serious note though, I’d like to sue women’s lingerer stores for discrimination in refusing to hire men. After all, the government sued hooters and a restaurant for being biased against women (the restaurant was owned by a woman by the way...). Stupidity should be a two way street.

Hyperion> This is a hard post to pick through... very thorough. Thanks =]

< One person on the world tour committed suicide. I know how he felt. I seriously considered doing so several times.>

Hmm.... interesting.Seeing what you have over everyone else makes you MORE suicidal. I feel the same: I’m gifted with an incredible brain (my parents both have IQ’s higher than Benjamin Franklin) and an easy life, but I will never live up to that potential. I’m basically a waste of a really awesome super computer...

How did the person on the tour do it? Man I envy them =[

<guilty of crimes against sentience> Uh.... whatever. Not everyone wants to be like you and that isn’t a crime. Life is hard work; people don’t want to go home and improve their brain, they want to shut it off. I can’t find fault in that. I mean, no offense, but I think most people don’t have the money or freedom you do in taking such a grand trip; most American’s limp by check to check and want peace at the end of the day. The more I “improve my brain” the more nihilistic I feel.

Am I guilty of a crime for dropping out of college and pursuing a skilled trade? Just curious.

< started reading philosophy, to understand what was going on in my own head. That helped, as did the counselor I talked to.> *chuckles* I’m not big on philosophy, just because it’s such mind numbing crap, over-elaborate hypothetical to belabor a pointless point. I talk to a counselor, but that doesn’t help. I did find out I don’t have to lie about being suicidal though; they can’t have me committed against my will very easily.

<Over time I began to write my own philosophy, what I believe in, what I live for> What DO you live for? I’m still working on that myself. And why don’t you kill yourself? I can’t find a reason not too personally.

Impfac - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:51:44 PM
IP: 66.66.203.129

*comes in wearing a black and gold t-shirt with the words SCAD on the front* I love Savannah!
I was in hog heaven today. My mom and I started up on our trip around 6:30 this morning, after my mom took a HOUR to get dressed; which it only took me 15 minutes.
We got to SCAD around 9:30 and it was so easy to find the admissions office. After that, getting my application and finding out that I can get a scholarship from SCAD from making a certain score on the SAT or ACT, this is not all that bad.
THEN... *grins* we got to the Computer Arts department... The tour guide there was also a professor of Visual Effects, you know, explosions and such. WELL, come to find out that he worked on the first Harry Potter movie and also worked for Disney for 15 years. THEn come to find out also that the animation teacher, who is a brit :D, recently worked on Treasure Planet...

I NEED SCHOLARSHIPS... *sighs deeply and goes on Fastweb*
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:10:26 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Hyperion- I know. It was Cmdr. William Riker (Star Trek: Generations).

Question- Doesn't anyone watch DBZ on cartoon network? Because I just want to see them beat this Buu guy AND IT'S TAKING FOREVER!!!!!

Oh well gotta enjoy this weekend.
Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Saturday, November 16, 2002 09:24:19 PM
IP: 172.173.0.156

mmm... spent today making cookies... watching Disney cartoons... surfing the net... took a nap... played with the cats... stretched, and ate a cookie and some turkey I roasted yesterday... and now I'm going to write a little bit o fic.

I think I'm sentient enough. But unless you have scads of money to burn (I prefer to spend mine on animation cels), or a job that includes travel (mine never included travel, darn it), I think most people can be forgiven for not bouncing all over the world to do the exotic. Hey, if everyone did, it wouldn't *be* exotic.

Siryn - Congrats! mucho mucho envies *^_^*

Christine - love the site, *^_^*

waiting for the room to change over...

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Saturday, November 16, 2002 07:32:22 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Memo to self: Verizon HQ is to be shot with a rail gun at the earliest opportunity.
Addendum: Ensure that you stand at least one minimum safe distance from the point of impact.

Once again, it seem the world has decided to backhand me for no particular reason. Today’s gem comes via a good friend of mine who sent me a news article from a London newspaper on Oct 31. Apparently representatives from Russia and Albania were sent to Florida by the UN to “ensure that the election met the international standards for a fair election”. If that is not simply the most embarrassing thing that any man, woman or child who is a citizen of the US has ever read, frankly, I don’t know what is.

Moving on:

Christine><Villain supply> That site “rulez” and is “l33t”. Everyone should send him/they money.

Spacebabie><Christmas ads> Oh, I understand the rationale…I just don’t like it. I saw the first Christmas themed ad at 12:05 AM, Nov 1. I suppose I should be happy they let Halloween end first.

I refuse to devote any more time or electrons to the current issue of grammar/spell checking. That is all.

Soufflés and lead-paint-chip-eating nations>Damn, and I had my money on France, home of oddly spelled words, overuse of the letter ‘X’ and cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

Gside><animals> I have a few Komodo dragons over here. They taste kinda like peregrine falcon or whooping crane
<the Lodoss/Duel of the Fates> Never seen it, so I can’t really help

Imzadi><Exhaustive ballet of wits> Sorry to hear your going in to battle so under-armed…(heh heh heh…)
</images/diploma.jpg>What the…? This is a forgery! I’LL SEE YOU IN COURT!!
 Porn is part of enlightened self-interest
<Someone who likes strings in their butt.> Anal floss?

Lain><”Blar”> Interesting. I’ll have to keep that in mind. A friend of mine uses it as a general sound of annoyance i.e. “Blar, my computer crashed.” or “Blar, I just got cracked over the head by a guy in Highlander gear wielding a claymore” or “Blar, my girlfriend just dumped me for a Cocker Spaniel”
< ok that was so funny, it almost made me cry :P> Always happy to spread the mirth.
<thongs> See reply to Imzadi above.
<no free speech in any society> what evidence caused you to reach that conclusion?

Impfac><experiences> Well, I’ve spent four months traveling around the world with some of the most brilliant people of this generation.
I’ve debated business practices with three Japanese managers in a bar in Kyoto for 5 hours. I’ve stood exactly under the spot where the atomic bomb exploded over Hiroshima. I’ve walked though the Peace Park and helped a class of Japanese schoolchildren fold paper cranes for the memorial.
I’ve seen the results of Communism in China and free markets in Hong Kong. I’ve practiced Tae Kwon Do in a garden at sunrise with a master from Hong Kong.
I’ve crawled though the tunnel system in Cu-chi that the Viet Cong used to hide in and ambush American soldiers during the war. I’ve been in a fight in the Apocalypse Now bar. I’ve tried fresh coconut water and dragon fruit. I’ve had to fight my way out of a back alley mugging in Saigon
I spent the night in a tribal village after I got lost in the Cameroon Highlands of Malaysia. The chief of the tribe gave me his blowgun for protection when I left. I’ve tried real chicken curry, and nearly died from the spice.
I’ve seen poverty, real poverty, in the slums of Chennai, where I helped out at Mother Theresa’s orphanage for a day. I’ve watched the sun set on the Taj Mahal, a breathtaking sight, in person. I’ve had to force though a crowd of starving Indian woman and children to rescue a tourist who unwisely started handing out change to beggars.
I’ve seen the sun rise of the Great Pyramids of Egypt and climbed down fifty feet into the burial chamber of one of the Queen’s Pyramids. I’ve traced hieroglyphs on a sarcophagus 4000 years old. I’ve spent a night in a coffee bar in Cairo that has been open 24/7 for longer then the US has existed.
I’ve explored the Grand Bazaar on Istanbul and wondered about the Muslim women enveloped in black chadors talking on black cell phones as they shopped. I spent my birthday relaxing in a Turkish bath. A Muslim gentleman offered a free tour of the Blue Mosque, and explained how and why Muslims pray.
I’ve debated religion with a rabbi an imam and a priest in the Old City of Dubrovnik, where the walls of buildings and the streets of made of slabs of polished stone. I visited Bosnia and saw what the war has done. I spent a few days hiking and skinny-dipping in the Mediterranean in a small island of the coast and had a Thanksgiving dinner of bread, honey, water and cheese. We didn’t realize that everything on the island was closed in the off-season. All we could by was fresh bread.
I’ve attended Mass given by the Pope in St. Peter’s Square on Rome. I’ve visited the Crypt of the Capuchins where all the decorations are made from the bones of dead monks. I’ve eaten gelato as three meals a day. I’ve wandered though the Imperial Forum when the leaders of the Roman Empire used to meet.
I’ve explored the souks and markets of Casablanca and Marrakech. I traveled up to the Atlas Mountains to a Berber village over 14,000 feet high and looked over the western side of the Sahara.
I returned to the US unbelievably happy. I knew that I was proud to be a citizen to the greatest nation on earth. I promptly had to deal with everyone that took that for granted. Those that didn’t care about anything beyond where they were going to get their next meal, their next drink or their next screw. I put up with indignant panhandlers that rode the buses to the best places to get handouts. Coming back was the hardest part of all. I traveled again, to England where I ate in the same pub in Strafford-upon-Avon where Shakespeare ate. I took high tea under St. Paul’s Cathedral while a full chorus sang hymns in Latin overhead.
I went to the Cayman Islands, and took a submarine down 150 off the island shelf, watching fish and looking at sponges six feet tall and four feet wide. I snorkeled along the Cayman reef. I accidentally irritated a Moray eel and, while trying to get away, bumped into a nurse shark. I swam with stingrays and ate fresh conch.
But I had to come back again. Having seen and done all that, touched wonders of the world, tried things that most people never even dream about; trying to get along day to day was damned depressing. One person on the world tour committed suicide. I know how he felt. I seriously considered doing so several times. I did not want to live in a country, or a world, as amazing as this with people that couldn’t see beyond their own reach. I finally got help when I realized there was a good chance that I would “accidentally” step out in front of a bus and not care. I started reading philosophy, to understand what was going on in my own head. That helped, as did the counselor I talked to.
Over time I began to write my own philosophy, what I believe in, what I live for.
Why do I say that no one is innocent? Easy, everyone who is sentient has been given a wondrous gift. I studied neurophysiology to learn what causes a handful of electrochemical impulses racing down neurons to become thought. I still don’t know hat it is, but that instant where tiny blips of electrical energy transform into a thought is all the proof I need to know that a god exists. To thin,. to be able to ask questions, to reason answers, is the pinnacle and the foundation of everything else in this world. Technology is nothing but thought frozen in a form. Man is limited, not by strength or endurance, but by the power of his mind.
I believe that any person that does not, as a matter of habit, strive to reach the boundaries of his mind, to become greater, though knowledge or experience, thought or sensation, is guilty. They are guilty of crimes against sentience.
I have seen the heights a mind can achieve. From the Pyramids of Gaza, the Taj Mahal and the Great Wall of China to the bamboo scaffolding that, to this day, helps erect modern skyscrapers in Hong Kong. The devastation of Hiroshima and the beauty of the Golden Pagoda in Kyoto.
Even a simple monolith in downtown Istanbul pointing to Rome and giving the distance across half an continent or the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. All these are the result of a mind driving forward and refusing to be stopped.
I say the vast majority of the world does not know or care about any of this. The drivers in Saigon that live off of $300 a year and feed their families, or the Indians that live on the streets and eat individual grains of rice as a meal, I can forgive for not knowing or caring about the potential locked in their skulls. But to anyone in the US or Europe, any first world nation, I cannot forgive. If you spend your time numbed by TV or the internet, living day to day and taking for granted the gift of thought, then you are guilty. Sadly, I think the majority of people with the freedom to explore how far their minds can reach, squander that opportunity.
Hyperion
Saturday, November 16, 2002 04:36:38 PM
IP: 151.199.239.160

I got promoted at work! Yea! I'm now (well, as of monday, but I'm not in until wednesday) the store's photo lab supervisor! I'm the big cheese of the photo techs! That negates the pissy mood i've ben in all weeks. My friend and I made up too. Which is good, otherwise I'd be horrible when PMS REALLY starts to kick in. Now I have to calm my cat down. She's running around like a nutcase since it's stomy out (it's snowing! Yes! Bout time!).
Andrea - [Takari2002@aol.com]
Saturday, November 16, 2002 04:23:16 PM
IP: 209.110.19.29

Gunjack>><<She makes her own AMVs>> yeah but any one can do that ( cut up some one elses videos and movies, take someone elses music and stick it together) big deal I could that too if I knew how to use the soft wear, what would be totaly awsome is if she used her own stuff and her own music then that would be cool, even I wanna do that some day :oD *lain when I do wanna tag along? I can write the music and maybe you'd like to do the art and together we could animate it DUDE wouldn't that rock!! LOL* <<She works in a Lingere store>> uh yeah "has an interview" doesn't work there yet as far as I know
<<She can detect counterfeit money by TOUCH.>> of course if its american "MWA HA HA":oP lol

Phire_kat
Middle Of Nowhere, Novofluoxtine, Canada
Saturday, November 16, 2002 03:58:48 PM
IP: 65.93.16.175

And today's link (again, ahem, it's a joke, okay?) is to the Villain Supply Store, where we aspiring supervillains can order everything from henchman outfits to doomsday devices! I know where my next batch of royalty payments are going! (seen as how they're a joke, too ...)
Christine - [<--- Villain Supply!]
Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:30:43 PM
IP: 65.239.13.56

Workshop was great. I wrote down a list of suggestions and now I gotta work on the revision. When it’s done I’ll upload my essay. They loved the quotes.

Bleh replies
Hyperion<<<But I still think that marketing execs can show a little chronological perspective.>>>Yeah but the only places that are making money off of Thanksgiving are grocery stores, and places that sell linens: china, crystal, cookware, candles, candlestick holders, and napkin holders. Other stores are not making money so they are ushering out Christmas commercials.

Gside<<<Sure... That's what you say now.>>>Cause that is what I meant<<<Eh?>>>So now you are Canadian? Lain you are contagious.

Silverbolt>>>Happy belated Birthday

Firestorm<<<Yes you can.
Unfortunately, that WAS your question. No more are allowed.>>>:::Hands him some freshly killed meat::: That’ll keep your mouth too full to talk.

DPH<<<So what do you call a fey who's nearest huamn descendant is great, great grandmother? practically 100% fey? >>>Well I would call them a mostly Fey. What is a huamn?

Christine<<<Brad Pitt did a surprisingly good job of depicting mania in whatever Bruce Willis movie that was,>>> 12 monkeys

Josh<<<I'm just starting now to feel sick,>>>Are you dripping stuff from your face holes yet? This is why I get a flu shot ever year.<<<YES! Believe was incredible, in case you haven't heard it.>>>My dad owns it. He played it in the car the other day.<<<LOL!>>>Dad does that all the time around the house.<<>>Like pulled pork?<<<I'm sure an elephant could fit in a glove DEPARTMENT, yes.>>>I meant Compartment…Darn blond moment!<<<Somehow, I doubt it.>>>Yeah I can see Liddy Dole being the first.<<>>About darn time.

Dark_Shadow: Okay I’m not trying to be mean here. I am going to give some tips.

1. If you have a program like MS works or Word pad then open the program and keep it open during your time when you are reading everyone’s answers. Type the responses in the program and then use spell check. That is how I do my posts.

2. Before you post, Read it, not once or twice but just enough so that the message is near free from all typos. Read it out loud.

3. Before you even get ready to respond breath deeply and relax. We are not trying to be rude here. Don’t think that we are.

Todd<<<There's a great scene just after them that you'll miss otherwise>>>Thanks for the heads up.

Lynati>>>OMG! You are good at MSTing bad fics and bad posts.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:01:54 PM
IP: 67.25.51.158

Phirekat - I believe it's Vei La Rose, or sommat like that. And for those in the audience who still wonder why I'd persue a relationship with a commie canadian, lemme break it down for you.

She makes her own AMVs
She works in a Lingere store
She can detect counterfeit money by TOUCH

What more could a guy ask for? 8 )
Gunjack "Luckiest Man on Mars" Valentine
Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:50:02 AM
IP: 192.133.129.164

*yawns* well I haven't missed much, is the time dancer series still going I'd like to finish reading that. *hugs impfac* good choice buddy. I have to appoligze to gunjack and lain for getting involved will never happen again. Oh yea and which store was it that asked you for the interview lain? La senza? (my cats staring at my from under the desk) Hey DPH is tgs looking for new writers yet? or did I miss it again? :oP oh yeah sorry lain never did read that thing you gave me *smacks her head* or even started the pic, I'm toast aren't i? :o) yeah so ttyl ppl of tgs
"Coughed up a hairball yesterday, found out later it wasn't mine. Ate three gold fish out of the pond in the backyard, bit the neighbors kid and scratched the back of the couch again. Tomorrow I sleep."
Phire_kat
Middle Of Nowhere, Novofluoxtine, Canada
Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:57:26 AM
IP: 65.93.16.175

*rubs her eyes On her way out*

Christine> Heh..I try. ^_^;; I'm flattered thanks. ^_^

Dark Shadow> Hun, I'm saying this nicely and firmly..so please listen.
1. You need to calm down. There is no need for typing in all caps and throwing insults at people here.
It's generally seen as very annoying and hard to read.

2. Do not jump to conclusions. Leo wasn't trying to directly insult you before, and then you jumped down his throat. There _are_ going to be people who just don't like you..you learn to live with it and deal (it sucks but hey, life's not fair). You just need to learn to ignore them. Yes, Lila did insult you, but you shouldn't assume the whole room is out to get you because if it. Because of you claiming everyone hates you and out to get you, you've just drawn a whole bunch of negative attention to yourself. :/ (which is a common newbie mistake.. :/)

3. This comment room is not really the best room to talk about personal flame wars and such and how fandom people are unfair to you. It's a very HIGHLY opiniated room...and people can and will speak their mind (as you have seen them do). And getting upset about it right off (like you did) leads to what is happening now.)

My best advice for you is to calm down, and either be part of the conversation (in a civilized adult manner) or chat someplace where you feel comfortable with.

But again, a LOT of people weren't 'judging' you until you started making generalizations and assumptions about how they hate you. (When most people here don't know you, and the only way we can LEARN about you, is through your actions in chat, so if you're disrespectful here..people will not be willing to hand out very much respect for you in return.)

*yawn* anyways..gotta get dressed and go to airport. Love ya gargs and goyles! Good luck G2003 crew! Everyone have a happy holiday season..and..Enter MGC while i'm gone! >:) hehe.
Siryn - [<--Results are in!]
Saturday, November 16, 2002 09:06:03 AM
IP: 66.66.98.101

Finally the Firemen here have stopped their strike (It was a couple of days ago but I haven't said anything here for a bit. They wanted a pay rise and good old Tony Blair said "no" so they went of strike for 48 hours, this resulted in an increase in hoax calls and only a few fire engines called green godesses that havn't been used since World War 2!!! By the end the firemen didn't get their pay rise and at the moment it's regular duty for them... until next week i think where the gits are going to go on strike for EIGHT DAYS!!!!!!!! Oh joy! that is going to be a GREAT week for arsonists!

Josh> <<Happy b-day.>> Thank you, your life shall be spared once I take over the world. <<Charming imagery, really.>> Well it's not exactly a good way to be born is it?

Incidentally I saw your web site and let me tell you that image of you on the front page scares me.

Oh yes and whoo hoo they're finally going to show the second season of X-Men evolution over here AT LAST!

And from seeing the images of what the new MTV version of spider-man is going to be like I am pretty worried... I HATE cell shading 3-D! UUGH...! I just hope they do a good job of it!
Silverbolt
Saturday, November 16, 2002 08:41:13 AM
IP: 213.1.105.120

Josh: Okily dokily. (ie, too tired to answer you properly, but wanting to let you know your comments were read and contemplated, and that being computer illiterate, I need clearer advice than that.)

Dark Shadow: my, yes. okay.

### Everyone who dislikes humor at the expense of someone else, feel free to skip the rest of this. ###

<Look THe LAST thing I don't like is my pelling made fun of!>
umm...let me see... “The last thing I like is my (s)pelling (being) made fun of” would mean you “don’t like your spelling made fun of”. But as you don’t like THAT, then I guess you are enjoying this afterall.

<" I DO NOT HAVE BAD SPELLING! That's just your iopinion.>
And that of my word auto-spellcheck. You lose points every time you incorrectly spell words when claiming you spell just fine.

<The Cat I thibk was trying to hel me ok?>
if The Cat was trying to heal or help you, yes. If The Cat was trying to drag you off to hell...
Nemesis: we still don’t care.

<*Sakes head*>
Nemesis: Aww, don’t waste good sake!
<Some pwoples.>
Popples? I remember that show.
<And thre things they say!>
I have a lot more than three things to say. And I’m trying my best to make sure they are all typed correctly.

where?
Oh, right here.
<"Think BEFORE you do DON'T do BEFORE you THINK!!!>
My saying is, “Use the spellchecker or a beta-reader prior to posting anything written, or become the booster for my low self-esteem and the amusement for my friends.”

<AND YOUR>
Nemesis: Mine?
<NOT HELLPING!>
Nemesis: you’re right, I’m not Ping, and she’s not in Hell, she’s in Megatokyo.

That’s fine, as long as you aren’t doing it in public.
< People!>
People?
<You havn't even seen my spelling!>
WHAT THE H*** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, I’M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW!!
<See?>
YES, AND ITS ATROCIOUS!!

<"Don't judge a book by it's cover. Judge it BY THE INSDE!">
Shale: You mean the way the pages taste?
Nemesis: If you mean for us to judge you as the proverbial book not by your “cover” but by your “contents”...well, we would, BUT WE CAN’T F***ing READ IT!!!

<Try to get to no me>
We ARE.

< and the way I spell BEFORE you guys just judge ONE OR TWO POSTS! >
You’ve misspelled in every post that is longer than a single sentence.

<DON'T YOU DARE SAY I HAVE BAD SPEELING WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN REMOTLY KNOW ME!>
We don't have to know you to tell that you have bad spelling. It was fairly obvious by the end of your first few posts.
<That wasn't bad speeing now was it!>
Yes, it was.
<See why does everyone have to gang up on me>
Who’s ganging up? this isn't a conspiracy, you're simply pissing us off individually.
<You guys have amsalutly>
*salutes*
<NO RESPECT FOR OTHERS WHAT SO EVER!>
Respect isn't given, it's earned.

<Can't chat anyhwre with out getting flammed ALL THE TIME FOR NOTHING!>
Perhaps it is for the huge emotional outbursts you have that are triggered by nominally trivial things?
<Don't you dare say I have bad speelling!>
Nemesis: Is that a type of acne? Lyn had that problem, there are creams you can use for that.

The blackjack one is much worse.
<The only reason i'm on it is cuz I like gargoyles!>
Wow! What a coincidence, so do I! Two gargoyles fans in the gargoyles fandom, posting in a gargoyles-related comment room! Who’d a-thunk it?
Nemesis: the irony being, there are people who post here who aren’t really gargoyles fans.
Shhh, you’re undermining my sarcasm.

<FLAMERS! bANN ME, i DON'T CARE LESS EVERYONE DOES FOR NOTHING ANYWAY!>
The flamers don’t have the power to ban you. And I can’t decipher the rest of that sentence.

< NOONE CAN UNDERSTAND ANYTHING I SAY!>
we could if you properly spelled them.
<PROJUDGEMENTLE PEOPLE!!!!>
Nemesis: yep, we're all for judgment here.
<I'M OUT OF THIS CRAP FANDOM!>
Awfully harsh reaction to us wanting you to take the time to spellcheck your work.

<I'M JUST TRYING TO ENJOY THIS.>
Nemesis: I know me and Lyn are.

<AND WHAT DO I GET?>
I'll tell you what I get! A big nothing!

<TEATED LIKE A JURK>
Nemesis: not surprising, you write like someone still in diapers.

<KICKED AROUND!>
AND have your posts cruelly MiSTed for my 5:04 a.m. “I can’t fall asleep and that Harry Potter movie wasn’t as good as I hoped, and Snape didn’t nearly have enough screen time” pleasure.

<NON OF YOU HAVE ANY FEELINGS AT ALL!!!!!>
(singing) I feel pretty...oh so pretty...

<AT LEAST I NEVER JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.>
How long were you here before deciding we were all out to get you and that you were leaving the fandom forever because we had no respect for you?
Oh, it was 60 hours.

< YOU KNOW YOU GUYS SHOULD SPEND SOMETIME WITH BULLY VICTOMS!>
Nemesis: I live in the head of one. Why the H*** do you think Lynati uses passive forms of aggression (like this) to take out her anger?

<OR ATLEAST BEONE YOUR SELF FOR A CHAGE!>
Nemesis: I’d do a lot for a chage. Those things are hard to find, and usually very expensive.
He means change, and who says we haven’t?
Nemesis: he’s only known the room for two and half days, and already he knows us all, including the ones who didn’t post. My, that is a talent.

< SUCH DISRESPECT AROUND HERE>
All the time. You should feel honored to have been included so fast, usually we just keep to razing ourselves.

<And again, I DO NOT I REPERT NOT HAVE BAD SPELLING!>
Is it just me, or is it sad he misspelled that sentence?
Nemesis: It’s not just you. As proof, Bud-Clare is having giggle-fits. And I’m pretty sure Joshy-boy is as well.

<All of it sucks!>
Nemesis: All of your writing? Why yes, it does.

*Puches everyone out!*
I’d be making “ow” noises right now, except I can’t tell if you punched us all out, or pushed us all out.

okay, I'm done for now. I hope that was all worded right, I don't have the best of spelling myself, hence why I write in a program that highlights my errors for easy- and instant- correction.

...Admins, if that was uncalled for, let me know. I already know it was rude.

*Goes back to sulking about art-related things*
Lynati
Saturday, November 16, 2002 06:39:33 AM
IP: 66.140.85.141

Imzadi> <>: This is guaranteed by my associates.
<<That's the first time I've seen you be mean to anyone! Call CNN!>>: It happens to everyone eventually. Besides, spelling isn't a matter of debate.
<<Or at least spazziness>>: It's hard to be properly intelligent whily spazzy. Though it can be offset by the fun.
<<nutscrape or opera to see if it formats correctly. IE>>: What, no uncomplementary pun on IE's name?
<<Why do I have a feeling its this lead-paint-chip-eating nation?>>: We're most notorious for lead paint eating inspired food. In this case, it appears to originate in ancient Rome. The sweet versions seem more associated with Spain and Mexico.
<>: Same thing.
<<Its a health thing! Really!>>: Apparently the rest of the world thinks we're all freaks.

Gunjack> <<Where do you want the sacrifical bulls?>>: My room. I am taking reservations from all mammals, and various other creatures. Either that, or the barbecue.
<<Tycho Fag>>: Not Gabe?

Christine> <<yes, thanks, that was the name of the movie>>: you are quite welcome.

Dark> <<well that was rude. I'm very intelagent>>: I do apologize for the implication, but not the statement. Intellegence is judged from one's words, and this is a text based environment, so spelling is the quickest and most blatant way to guess how smart someone else is. If you want to be respected intellectually, you have to at least make an effort to remove stupid mistakes from your writing.
<<Try to GET TO KNOW ME FIRST please>>: So far, you appear to be combatative and overly sensitive. Your poor spelling then allows you to be easily dismissed as just another clueless newbie (whether it is true or not is immaterial). This is the internet, you can't allow what is said here to bother you.
<<BEFORE you guys just judge ONE OR TWO POSTS>>: You're asking us to make a character judgement on you and return sympathy for what you consider unfair treatment.
<<DON'T YOU DARE SAY I HAVE BAD SPEELING WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN REMOTLY KNOW ME>>: How does knowledge of you character affect whether words you have written are in the English language?
<<SPEELING...That wasn't bad speeing now was it!>>: Yes, it was.
<<NO RESPCT!>>: Respect must be earned.
<<Can't chat anyhwre with out getting flammed ALL THE TIME FOR NOTHING!>>: The definitions that are currently appropriate: 1. vi. To post an email message intended to insult and provoke. 3. vt. Either of senses 1 or 2, directed with hostility at a particular person or people. We are not hostile, and it is difficult to intend a context free Boolean evaluation to be insulting. It's like me saying someone flamed me when the said I have bad eyesight. I do, by the way.
<<ATLEAST BEONE YOUR SELF FOR A CHAGE!>>: I have been a geek all my life. Geeks are notorious bully targets.

Lain> <<the only thing people really see of others is the words they type, and how they type them>>: E.g. you seem to be making a political statement on the evils of capital letters.
<<lessee here.. ŕ>>: Unfortunately, on the trip through your IE to the s8 box to my Mozilla, it became an accented r.

Imzadi> <<Okay seriously, just shut up and go away already>>: Now that was a proper, if comparatively weak flame.
<<Or at least I should have>>: It did seem a bit out of character.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, November 16, 2002 03:11:28 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

I woke up this morning after 12 hours of sleep and didn't feel like total crap. In fact, I was strong enough to go to the library and do research for my paper for 2 hours, found 5 awesome articles on the Vaiont Dam disaster (the subject of my paper). Then it was back to watch TV, eat food, and do a bit of work.

My airport base station and airport cards came in today (I found a great deal online and impulse bought). Haven't tested everything yet, but if all is good then I'll have wireless when I go home to LA (albeit over a slow-dem).

In just 6 days I'll be done with midterms! 3 days later I'll be home!

Gunjack: <<Everyone wants to die with dignity>>: Except for George W. Bush, apparently.

Allaine: <<their enemy this year is Lucifer?>>: It sure seems like there aren't many places left to go.

Taleweaver: <<It might indicate that it sees a real threat in them and not in the choosen Slayer>>: Well, after 7 seasons its obvious that Buffy is nothing without her crew.

Dark Shadow: Okay seriously, just shut up and go away already. You've finally gotten to the point where you're annoying. We made fun of your bad spelling, and rather than suck it up and fix us, you whined and bitched about how we're not getting to know you for two straight days. Enough now.

Lila: <<I'll stay consistent>>: Helps us identify you. <<I've actually gotten a dark tan, and in November, no less>>: I'm so bitter. I'll be in LA in a week, though... <<I'm not a big fan of Angel>>: I like it. its interesting, if a bit messed up. <<don't care HOW HOT Faith is>>: You would if you were male. When people ask me what my fantasy is, I reply "Eliza Dushku wearing a Cinema Display HD". <<can't abide lines against their skintight spandex>>: Which is fine, but if you're wearing skintight spandex you'd better make sure you're allowed. <<Mean, but witty, which is refreshing>>: Awww, thanks. Taken. <<Do you come up with these yourself? If so, bravo>>: I wish. Stole the list from somewhere else. <<Feel better, by the way. Health is good>>: Thanks, working on it. Should be good before the concert tomorrow. <<your review means I just *might* shell out the dough to see it in theaters>>: Skip out on 2 beers. <<Dratted limited college budget>>: I know not these words BUWAHAHAHA. <<am shocked at how tolerant particular members of the board are being towards you>>: Yeah, we should have flamed him a long time ago. Or at least I should have. <<May your weekends hold much libation, debauchery>>: I wish.

Lain: <<im so cool! i walked into a lingere store today>>: This is the start of a porn, I'm sure. <<how would you like to bring your resume by tomorrow at, say, noon, for an interview>>: Yup, I was right. <<not usually he doesnt... unless he wants something>>: Not really. If I want something and I'm acting respectful to get it...I clearly have no respect for you 8-) <<you can either have |-------------| <this much fabric in your butt.. or |---| <this much>>: HAHAHA. <<faith is so hot>>: Amen!

47. If I learn that a callow youth has begun a quest to destroy me, I will slay him while he is still a callow youth instead of waiting for him to mature.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, November 16, 2002 03:01:05 AM
IP: 64.168.30.104

im so cool! i walked into a lingere store today on my break from work, and talked to the lady at the counter for awhile, and as im leaving, she says to me "how would you like to bring your resume by tomorrow at, say, noon, for an interview?" after i picked up my jaw off the floor, i said "SURE!" can you imagine? she thinks im so cool that SHES gonna ask ME to bring in my resume and have an interview. *checks temperature* DAMN i must be hot stuff!!;)

also, im a hero cause i caught counterfeit money at my store today. it was actually really scary. i called security on the poor girl, i dont think she intended to pass fake money on me, she was buying something that was 15 odd dollars with a 20 so.. she sure wasn't after the change. weve had a rash of counterfeiting lately.. and there was a seminar about it today, at my work.. which i didnt go to.. and caught the money anyways. bwa hahaa.. it just didnt FEEL right.. :P oh well. GO ME! life is looking up!

dark shadow>> <<*Puches everyone out!*>> ooowwww! that wasnt fair! <<Josh> Look. You have no respect for people do you?>> no, not usually he doesnt... unless he wants something ;) <<DON'T YOU DARE SAY I HAVE BAD SPEELING WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN REMOTLY KNOW ME! DON'T YOU DARE!>> i dont think saying someone has bad spelling is necessarily a judgement or reflection of the fact that they are a bad person.. not at all. however, i have found it a little challenging to read your posts, as some of the spelling is confusing to me. its just that, on the internet, the only thing people really see of others is the words they type, and how they type them. <> honestly? hardly anyone in here knows anyone else.. but they still manage to chew each other on a fairly consistent basis... read the archives lately? yikes!
some of the stuff thats been said to you i can tell is honest joking. i guess you have to have been here for a little while to really see that, though. some of it was mean too, granted - but its always best (even if its hard) to ignore the mean stuff. if someone is mean to you, it reflects back on them - but if youre mean back, it just reflects badly on you, too. :(

josh>> <<Someone who likes strings in their butt...>> weeellll.. as a friend of mine says.. "you can either have |-------------| <this much fabric in your butt.. or |---| <this much.. ;) << That doesn't sound very manly. It sounds stupid>> hes a texan boy, what do you expect? *ducks* ;) <<Or at least spazziness>> hey.. i have (intentionally) bad grammar.. doest that make me a spa.. oh.. wait.. yeah.. nevermind..

lila>> <<Joss Whedon's a fool if he believes his fans will stay on for yet another spinoff>> oh *I* will.. faith is so hot... really though, it depends on the quality/angle of the stories that would be told. ill decide if i want to watch it if/when it comes out.

val>> <> HEEEEY!!!! *pouts like 3-year-old*

gside>> <<Sure you can. Alt-0224: ŕ>> niiiiifty... lessee here.. ŕ WOW!! SHINEY!!! :D:D:D:D

nighties!
lain
Friday, November 15, 2002 11:28:30 PM
IP: 65.93.73.109

(Now that I've finally gotten my hysterical giggling fit under control...)

Dark Sahdow> "DON'T YOU DARE SAY I HAVE BAD SPEELING WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN REMOTLY KNOW ME!"
Your logic is different from our Earth logic...
(...but if you'd care to actually try to explain what you're talking about, rather than yelling incoherently, you're more than welcome to. I know _I'm_ curious...)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, November 15, 2002 11:21:14 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Lila> DON'T YOU DARE SAY I HAVE BAD SPEELING WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN REMOTLY KNOW ME! DON'T YOU DARE! That wasn't bad speeing now was it! See why does everyone have to gang up on me You guys have amsalutly NO RESPECT FOR OTHERS WHAT SO EVER! NO RESPCT! Man! Can't chat anyhwre with out getting flammed ALL THE TIME FOR NOTHING! Don't you dare say I have bad speelling! I hate this crap fandom! The only reason i'm on it is cuz I like gargoyles! FLAMERS! bANN ME, i DON'T CARE LESS EVERYONE DOES FOR NOTHING ANYWAY! NOONE CAN UNDERSTAND ANYTHING I SAY! NOONE! PROJUDGEMENTLE PEOPLE!!!! I'M OUT OF THIS CRAP FANDOM! I GET NO RESPECT! I'M JUST TRYING TO ENJOY THIS. AND WHAT DO I GET? TEATED LIKE A JURK, KICKED AROUND! NON OF YOU HAVE ANY FEELINGS AT ALL!!!!! AT LEAST I NEVER JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. YOU KNOW YOU GUYS SHOULD SPEND SOMETIME WITH BULLY VICTOMS! OR ATLEAST BEONE YOUR SELF FOR A CHAGE! SUCH DISRESPECT AROUND HERE And again, I DO NOT I REPERT NOT HAVE BAD SPELLING! NO ONE KNOWS ME. OK? MAN! All of it sucks! *Puches everyone out!*
Dark Shadow
Friday, November 15, 2002 10:08:36 PM
IP: 24.86.117.45

Siiigh. I detest using the same illustration as the previous post, it looks so unoriginal. Nonetheless, I'll stay consistent. What delightful weather we've had... I've actually gotten a dark tan, and in November, no less. Dealing with the air here is worth it on charming 75 degree days such as this one. Bliss.
Replies:
LAIN- Spoiler definition duly noted. Thanks to all who clarified that point for me. Joss Whedon's a fool if he believes his fans will stay on for yet another spinoff. I'm not a big fan of Angel, personally, (those of you that are, don't bite my head off, if you please, I was simply less entertained by Angel than his female counterpart. And I still want to kick Cordelia in her nonexistant nuts.)Now, don't care HOW HOT Faith is... and she is, but she can't take over. No one should. Let it "rest in peace" so to speak, tragic as that is.

FIRESTORM:<Yes you can. Unfortunately, that WAS your question. No more are allowed. Sorry!> Heh, took the words outta my... fingertips, I suppose. Bravo.

LEO: you rock. Ever heard of Milgram's experiment? ;-)

IMZADI:<Someone who likes strings in their butt> Or can't abide lines against their skintight spandex. Never underestimate the thong. <So slow down! You don't have a hot date, trust me.> HAH. Well put. Mean, but witty, which is refreshing. <If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.> SWEET. I can see that in action. Do you come up with these yourself? If so, bravo. Feel better, by the way. Health is good.

ALLAINE: Could the Big Bad be something that's always been there? An omnipotent malevolent force that gets stronger with each additional evil committed in Sunnydale? That'd be neat.

TODD JENSON: Excellent. I expect much from this movie, your review means I just *might* shell out the dough to see it in theaters. Or tempt someone into taking me. Dratted limited college budget. :-)

DARK SHADOW: I observe this room frequently, and am shocked at how tolerant particular members of the board are being towards you. I on the other hand, well... I don't want to flame, I don't want to seem a mean person, but honestly now. Um, no. You have bad spelling. If you choose to type with no regard for the laws of the English language, that is of course, your perogative. Opinion has nothing to do with it. My "opinion" is that your spelling is atrocious, and in my "opinion" you should use some form of spell check, simply as consideration for anyone who may have an interest in hearing what you have to say. You do not utilize correct spelling, if you care so much about it, fix it. That is all.

A very happy Friday to all! May your weekends hold much libation, debauchery, and well... that about covers it, I think. -Lila

Lila - [liejones@yahoo.com]
LA, CA
Friday, November 15, 2002 09:37:51 PM
IP: 134.173.121.83

*dph enters the room, grinning from ear to ear*

Got my gargoyle videos in today. :-) Damn USPS didn't get my signature, though. :-( I'll send the money tomorrow.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, November 15, 2002 09:30:49 PM
IP: 204.94.193.59

Todd Jensen> Cool.
Dark Shadow
Friday, November 15, 2002 08:52:56 PM
IP: 24.86.117.45

Had a big day today; I went down to the local movie theatre and saw "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets". Quite a fun movie, too. One word of advice to anyone here planning on seeing it: don't leave until after all the ending credits are done. There's a great scene just after them that you'll miss otherwise (and that's all that I'm saying about it).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, November 15, 2002 06:30:39 PM
IP: 65.56.170.175

Christine> Ya. I guess...
Leo> i didn't know. Sorry... I never got that before... Just, please worn me before you do that again please.
Gside well that was rude. I'm very intelagent! Ok? Before you say that, Try to GET TO KNOW ME FIRST please...
Josh> Look. You have no respect for people do you? See? I mean I only just came here and this is how you guys teat me? *Shakes head*

I mean noone knows me here. Try to get to no me and the way I spell BEFORE you guys just judge ONE OR TWO POSTS! They mean nothing in the long run. Gees...
Dark_shadow
Friday, November 15, 2002 05:11:54 PM
IP: 24.86.117.45

Gside > yes, thanks, that was the name of the movie.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, November 15, 2002 10:56:59 AM
IP: 65.239.47.9

*** Warning Potential Buffy Spoilers ***

Allaine on Buffy> I think it is more interesting that this evil choose to mess with Willow and Dawn's head instead of Buffy's. It might indicate that it sees a real threat in them and not in the choosen Slayer. I think the evil is channelling the spirits with Warren and the like, but with Cassy it was more of an illusion. Even granting to poor performance of the last two episodes of Star Wars, I'd find it hard to believe any evil entity could know that much trivia or use it to manipulate someone.

I thik everyone's gotten cynical and skeptical about mystical prophecies after that business with Wesley on Angel. I'm certainly not taking anything at face value, or repeated heavy-handed references.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Friday, November 15, 2002 10:32:31 AM
IP: 24.205.118.18

*****BUFFY SPOILERS*******

I'm still trying to get a handle on the nature of our big bad for the year. Is it that his powers include shapeshifting, a la Proteus, or an actual ability to literally channel the spirits of the dead, or both? His earlier appearances as such characters as Warren, Adam, Glory, and the Mayor suggest such a familiarity with their mannerisms and way of speech that he is actually THEM, not looking like them. Only Adam or someone else in the Initiative would have referred to Spike as Subject 17, for example.

On the other hand, Chrissy was severely out of character, so either he can manipulate their spirits as well, or he can emulate them when he has to. I mean, that was obviously him as Joyce, wouldn't you agree? The whole point of the Dawn storyline was for her to believe Joyce's warning - otherwise, when Willow tells everyone, "Hey, Chrissy's ghost tried to get me to kill myself by telling me I would kill everyone," Dawn would say, "Hey, my mother's ghost tried to make me believe Buffy would betray me!" Ah, but if Dawn has to go through the trouble of exorcising a fearsome beast trying to SILENCE Joyce, then that makes her words all the more believable, doesn't it? (Those scenes on the couch, btw, were extremely creepy. Great seeing Joyce again.) Why Buffy would betray Dawn two years after killing herself in order to save Dawn and the world, I don't know. Master of Lies. Is it maybe possible that, esp. considering Buffy and the vamp's discussion of God and evil and the afterlife, their enemy this year is Lucifer?

And Spike - my first thought, to be honest, is that it wasn't him, either. I mean, isn't it at least possible that the Big Bad can be in more than two places at once? (Library and the Summers residence) That he's trying to break the group up in as many ways as possible, trying to dispose of Willow one way, and sever Buffy and Spike in another? Note how he didn't even have dialogue last week.

Thank God they didn't use Amber. If she had been the one telling Willow to kill herself, and then doing all that creepy mouth thing, I would have seriously been screwed up.

*******END SPOILERS********

Sincerely, Allaine
Allaine - [eac2nd@yahoo.com]
Philadelphia, PA
Friday, November 15, 2002 09:45:07 AM
IP: 64.12.96.138

gunjack> <<Where do you want the sacrifical bulls?>>

That's ridin' a thiiiiiiiiiin line there, buddy. ;)
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, November 15, 2002 09:20:08 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

FS, check yer email...
V
Friday, November 15, 2002 03:37:47 AM
IP: 192.133.129.164

Josh - Everyone wants to die with dignity. Failing that, I'll settle for spectacle. *Shrugs* ...Course, I'd go even more for NOT dying, but if ya gotta go, you might as well go with a bang/crash/rip/screech/smash.

Gside - You just posted an extended-length version of Hellsing's ultimate skanky-piano intro. I love you. Where do you want the sacrifical bulls?
Gunjack "Tycho Fag" Valentine
Friday, November 15, 2002 03:37:18 AM
IP: 192.133.129.164

Leo, DPH: Sorry about that. I found the e-mails on the Webmail box.
She wanted me to tell you that she will be working on it this weekend.
Fire Storm
Friday, November 15, 2002 02:51:56 AM
IP: 66.72.179.130

Ugh...feel like $)(!7...slept through my morning classes, woke up for my steel design midterm (which I believe I raped), and skipped my geological engineering class.

Hopefully I can avoid doing work tonight and pick it back up tomorrow, maybe even do research for new paper topic (Vaiont Dam disaster) if I feel up to it.

Gside: <<And "a lot" is two words>>: A minor detail. As is "all right". <<For the best time $2 can get you, call G-SIDE. No man or woman refused>>: I dunno...for $2 I can get a lot of bubble gum. <<An misspelled, looking at the roots>>: Catching spelling in that would have been too easy and too time-consuming. <<most often you don't get the equation>>: And have to derive it in horribly painful ways. <<You do. It's horrendous>>: That's the first time I've seen you be mean to anyone! Call CNN! <<it can become a significant indicator of intelligence>>: Or at least spazziness.

Lynati: <>: No cookie! Try nutscrape or opera to see if it formats correctly. IE has a habit of thinking it knows what format you want better than you do.

Silverbolt: Happy b-day. <<Eighteen years since I came ito this with a couple of broken ribs, an umbilical cord round my nck>>: Charming imagery, really.

Lila: << they need to improve the quality of their output>>: Amen! <<is it still a spoiler if the episode has already aired>>: If someone hasn't seen it, its a spoiler.

Hyperion: <<Michael Jackson's Planet of the Apes screen test>>: HAHAHAHA. <<What kind of lead-paint-chip eating nation comes up with an asparagus custard?>>: Why do I have a feeling its this lead-paint-chip-eating nation? <<In which case the target market is about 3 computers>>: Or 25 million, depending on who you talk to. <<What? Math? Or genetics?>>: Math. <>: Rammstein. <<The only thing you have to think about is what key to press to tell the computer to solve the equation>>: Not quite that simple. Knowing which key to press is an exhaustive battle of wits with your assignment. <<Your planet?! I wanna see a deed>>: Actually...check out www.kicktothenuts.com/images/diploma.jpg NOW CONCEDE, WORM! <<once you get the hang of it, it is vastly superior to automatics>>: I don't doubt it. <<when employing a 100 megaton nuke, everything becomes superfluous...especially the Winnebago>>: Well, not really. You need the winnebago to transport it. <<The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest>>: I thought it was porn.

Lain: <<who works out in a THONG!? geez, people>>: Someone who likes strings in their butt... <>: Its a health thing! Really! <<dont watch em. have a life>>: Amen!

Gunjack: <<have a large aircraft belly-land on top of you, thus converting you to a 100-yard long skidmark>>: That doesn't sound very manly. It sounds stupid.

DPH: <<What if that random underling happens to be someone the general cares about?>>: That wouldn't be a random underling. It'd be a specific target. <<Forgiveness takes time and anger needs to get out of your system. Gwen let some of it out>>: No, I meant that if I had 10 years to think about what I'd yell at my parents, it'd be a bit more...lengthy. And harsh.

Dark Shadow: <>: All evidence to the contrary. <<You havn't even seen my spelling! See? They don't know the whole story and they lash out>>: We see your spelling every post, and it has nothing to do with "your whole story" so come off it. <>: So slow down! You don't have a hot date, trust me.

46. If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, November 15, 2002 02:25:02 AM
IP: 64.168.30.104

Happy Birthday Silverbolt.

Hyperion> <<Gotta love webcomics taking shots at each other>>: Muchly. Ghastly's work against MT is quite amusing. And not just in his comics, he's also got a bunch in his other art section.
<<Corn custard? asparagus *custard*>>: Doesn't seem too bad. Allegedly, it's just eggs, cream, and the veggie. Also, remember there are dessert and vegetable souffles.
<<the Evengalion/Engel video. Much goodness>>: Better than the Lodoss/Duel of the Fates?
<<The only thing you have to think about is what key to press to tell the computer to solve the equation>>: Yes, but most often you don't get the equation.

Lain> <<an accent grave on the 'a' which i cant type here but its gaelic for struggle>>: Sure you can. Alt-0224: à.

Dark> <<He said I had bad spelling>>: You do. It's horrendous. And excessive abbreviations in this format serve no purpose. Some of if may be typos, but there's some there that won't be fixed by extra/transposed/left out keystrokes. And since text is the primary way to express yourself over the internet, it can become a significant indicator of intelligence.

Safe voyage Siryn.

Christine> <<Brad Pitt did a surprisingly good job of depicting mania in whatever Bruce Willis movie that was>>: Gilliam's 12 Monkeys?

And for the mp3, something from Hellsing. The opening theme, in fact, apparently named COOL Logos naki World. Somewhat jazzish.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, November 15, 2002 12:47:18 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Dark Shadow:> Re Typos: I knew that's what they were. We make fun of each other's typos from time to time. Especially when they're "good" ones.

MOST of us don't mean anything by it.

eg. Spacebabie when she had "warps" for lunch.

Just consider it an example of the insanity that occurs in this room :)

In this case.......

::fastens low-voltage shock clips to Dark Shadow's fingers::

(go ahead and smack me for what I'm going to say next)

I was "studying the effects of negative reinforcement on [your] typing ability." :)

[insert the approproate response here]:)

---------------------------------------------------

Leo
Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:20:41 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

Siryn > good grief, you do the most exotic things! Mind if I live vicariously through you for a while? I've never been further out of the USA than north to Vancouver and south to Tijuana. I envy you!

Oscars > never saw "A Beautiful Mind" (two reasons -- I don't like Russel Crowe, and I don't like movies about schizophrenia; I get enough of that at work). But speaking of which, I've seen very few movies that really, accurately, from my experience anyway, portray mental illness. Brad Pitt did a surprisingly good job of depicting mania in whatever Bruce Willis movie that was, but even in that grim institutional setting, the staggering issue of hygeine was not addressed. Amazingly clean and well-dressed residents, they had ...

Dark > then maybe slow down? After all, this isn't a chat room. Time goes by between posts. No rush. Just a thought.

Christine
Thursday, November 14, 2002 09:53:42 PM
IP: 65.239.47.32

There called TYPOS. I mean when you type fast you get them... Man!
Dark Shadow - [Dark_Shadow500@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 14, 2002 09:08:21 PM
IP: 24.86.117.45

Siryn> Cya. And thank for the info

Leo: Look THe LAST thing I don't like is my pelling made fun of!" I DO NOT HAVE BAD SPELLING! That's just your iopinion. The Cat I thibk was trying to hel me ok? Don't make it all worse! Man... *Sakes head* Some pwoples. And thre things they say! I mean here my saying. "Think BEFORE you do DON'T do BEFORE you THINK!!! Come on! I am TRYING to control my ANGER here AND YOUR NOT HELLPING! I just want to ENJOY myself!!! People! You havn't even seen my spelling! See? They don't know the whole story and they lash out! Thre a good example for you THE CAT. half thanks LEO...!!! *Starts to walk away.* The nerve of some peoples kids! And heres another one for you. "Don't judge a book by it's cover. Judge it BY THE INSDE!"
Dark Shadow - [Dark_Shadow500@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 14, 2002 08:47:22 PM
IP: 24.86.117.45

Gunjack> Thanks. I’m trying. Tough week, wanted to die, yadda yadda (I didn’t mention it because the reaction was so hurtful the last time I did) But, I’ve finally figured out WHY I’m so unhappy: I don’t like the life I’m locked into. I shouldn’t been in college for history, I should be a vocational training for mechanics, plumbing, or electrician.

And that’s just what I’m going to do. I’ve talked to my folks about it. No more 4 year grind, I’m going to do the one and only thing I actually enjoy in life, working with my hands. I’m changing my life, hopefully for the better.

Hyperion> What life experiences in ten years?

Dark Shadow> Well, people here are... well, I wont pre-judge you at least. But it’s a rather closed room.
impfac
Thursday, November 14, 2002 07:45:59 PM
IP: 66.66.203.129

Yep, it's time to do my catch-up post.

Imzadi - <I will make sure I have a clear understanding of who is responsible for what in my organization. For example, if my general screws up I will not draw my weapon, point it at him, say "And here is the price for failure," then suddenly turn and kill some random underling.> What if that random underling happens to be someone the general cares about? that reminds me of an odd question: Suppose I paid bounty hunter A to kill bounty hunter B and bounty hunter B to kill bounty hunter A. Would they both kill each other? Forgiveness takes time and anger needs to get out of your system. Gwen let some of it out.

Impfac - <Everyone knows it’s politics and not merit that drives this crap. I don’t even feel the need to comment.> So that means I could bribe the judges to give the worst movie released every year an Oscar for best picture of the year?

Spacebabie - <Weather they are only 1/4th human or 1/4th fey I refer to them both as quarterlings cause it sounds better then three fourthlings> So what do you call a fey who's nearest huamn descendant is great, great grandmother? practically 100% fey?

Kathy - <Don't snipe at Heather. We're 50th in the nation in SAT scores down here, the occasional grammatical error can't be helped.> yea, some state worse than Arkansas.

Winterwolf - Thank goodness for temporal paradox DPH's. They only exist in a single point in time because they traveled to that single point in time.

Impfac - <Now she~{!/~}s all but Ms. Mom, answering to the clan and her daughter for things she in the show never showed any sorrow for> Just wait for a while and you'll see the unreformed Demona.

Heather - <Again, let us see what Gwen's daughter looks like!> Just skip ahead to "Requiem". Also, Gargoyle eggs only hatch every 20 years meaning it's going to be a few years before that first egg hatches.

Airwalker - < They all looked great but I particularly liked the final photo of the episode, the one with Meyrt Isis - that one was quite powerful. It captured the raw emotions and feeling of the moment very well.> I believe that picture was done by . . . Lain. <They need to turn this back into
TIMEDANCER; it was interesting as FUTURE TENSE but thats not the archive its being stored in.> Interesting comments.

DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, November 14, 2002 07:05:52 PM
IP: 204.94.193.20

Dark Shadow:<<He said I had bad spelling... ....concitered....>>umm.. that was a joke right? :)
Leo
Thursday, November 14, 2002 05:45:58 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

Dark> don't take offense to Hudson not answering your email. He never answers his email, not even to people he LIKES. ;)

Wee..please vote in MGC if you haven't already!!

And..this probably will be my last post for about 3months, on Saturday I'm flying down to Cape Town Africa to work on the QE2 Cruise Ship. :) I really won't have internet access, so I'll see you all in 3 months. ^_^ Good luck to each and everyone of you. :D And happy holidays ahead of time. ^_^
Siryn - [<--vote if you haven't yet! It ends tomorrow! EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO VOTE!]
Thursday, November 14, 2002 05:31:18 PM
IP: 66.66.98.101

The Cat: Ok. I came to the Gargoyles fandom in like April or something. First I came to GFW. There was this person named guardian. Who, was at my throt like all the time or.. I don't even no wht. Anyway. Then this person told me about Station 8. I got in a fight with hudson the mod there. He said I had bad spelling. Well at that time i didn't know wht u and r and wahtever else internet spelling there is was concitered spelling by him. He made these 2 examples which I was/still am very sure they wre dricted indrectly to me. One was about spelling and the other about some rude thing. I forget what though. Anyway. He banned me. Then I started E-mailing him and stuff. As I was in GFW once i ment this person named beutey. I thought she was my friend. But She some how discovered I was rilaca. The same person as Dark and Gargen. Then they called hudson and I got banned... Then a 2ed time it happed. I was like arguing with soeone or whatever and I was banned cuz my my aditude. They on the other hand weren't. Then, the 3ed time which was just this September I was on for like 5 min or whatever. The person saked where i had been. I said, "I got banned for nothing." THne he had to go off line then I was also taling to another person and after he stoped talking to me I got banned... I don't know why? If it was cuz of the nothing thing, or cuz I was Dark or what. Thye din't even knoww this story. They just always go on what the populus or whatever is beening said about me... There were times I was also banned from S8 just for beening there I think... And even if I E-mail hudson like I have a few times, he never replyes back.
Dark Shadow - [Dark_Shadow500@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 14, 2002 05:19:50 PM
IP: 24.86.116.164

Fire Storm / Lady Mystic - I also submitted a new profile. Infact I submitted it *ON* the day of LM's HD crash shortly before FS's query about Data Recovery places. I guess I will have to type everything over?
Leo
Thursday, November 14, 2002 05:03:55 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

Lady Mystic - Saturday/Sunday.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, November 14, 2002 04:46:53 PM
IP: 204.94.193.53

DPH: <Lady Mystic - I submitted a request for change in my profile and haven't heard a thing back.>
How long ago? If it is over a week ago, could you please re-submit it? LM had a total system crash a week or two ago and lost her hard drive (and EVERYTHING on it)
Fire Storm
Thursday, November 14, 2002 02:00:26 PM
IP: 66.72.179.130

Lain><<also.. would be very manly to be run over by an aeroplane.. or.. so said gunjack, way back when :P>> ...Actually, it was "have a large aircraft belly-land on top of you, thus converting you to a 100-yard long skidmark." And I'm with Imp on the explosives one.

A general rule of thumb is to try to get a parental advisory on the local news. :P

As an aside, Imp... Hang tough, mano, okay? For what it's worth, ya got my prayers.
Gunjack "El Scorcho" Valentine
Thursday, November 14, 2002 01:52:54 PM
IP: 192.133.129.164

The Cat: <Hello. Could I ask a question?>
Yes you can.
Unfortunately, that WAS your question. No more are allowed. Sorry! ;)
Fire Storm
Thursday, November 14, 2002 01:41:15 PM
IP: 66.72.179.130

Hello. Could I ask a question?
The Cat
Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:35:57 PM
IP: 204.56.133.120

hyperion>> blar.. has an accent grave on the 'a' which i cant type here but its gaelic for struggle, as in "blar nan daoine" - "the peoples struggle" (ie for scottish self determination) and/or a battle site, as in "blar na feitheadh" - "battle of feitheadh" <<It is NOT the farking Christmas season! Look at a goddamned calendar! See that holiday there, the one that starts with the "T". Yeah, it's *before* Christmas so it is, in fact, the Thanksgiving season. Anyone that doesn’t agree, get the hell off the planet>> meeeeeeyow! ;) well.. im kinda de-sensitized to christmas.. see, our store has had christmas stuff out since.. lessee here.. ooo august. i can justify it (sorta) because of the fact that were a craft store, and lots of crafts take a long time to make. however, carlton cards does NOT get to have their little tree ornaments out in september. if people have their trees up that early, theyll all be DEAD.. unless they have those disturbing fibre-optic scary things.. *shudder* up here, thanksgiving has already gone by.. so we dont have that excuse. after halloween/rememberance day, its pretty much solid christmas. <> ok that was so funny, it almost made me cry :P in the girls locker room, i feel bad because i dont have a "work-out thong".. like.. who works out in a THONG!? geez, people :P <<Or better yet, grab a barbell and some weights and actually "work out">> i agree. tis fun! <<article on canadian free speech>> interesting.. i had a discussion about this awhile ago, and whether or not "free speech" in society - ANY society - was actually possible. the general consensus was "no". also, i dont think that was a very good representation of the law itself. i believe that the law states its perfectly fine to say whatever the heck you want. the line is drawn between saying "muhammad was a terrorist" and saying "muhammad is a terrorist, and you should kill all muslims you can find" one is a statement of belief, the other is promoting murder. thats the distinction its supposed to have, i believe. and yeah, fallwell, i dont remember muhammad running around cutting off the foreskins of his enemies.. do you? :P
however, i believe the example listed, of a tape recorded hate message, should VERY MUCH be protected by law.. its very educational to see how stupid people really are... :P

but yeah, point taken. ill have a closer look at this bill c-415/c-250.. cause youre right.. the way its presented in the article makes it look really stupid :P this whole "religious fighting" thing is startin to piss me off...

***********BUFFY SPOILERS*************
kinda wierd.. i was rather bored with the ep in general.. until the veeeery end. interesting "warning" info, and the big bad is kinda creeepy.. which i suppose is the general idea.. now willow.. is she gonna destroy the world.. or was el baddo just saying that?? yum.

how can spike chomp people if he has a soul and a chip? wouldn't that a) tug on the conscience a little and b) hurt a whole frikin lot? maybe theyre not "people" or something? maybe buffys vamp-shrink was chomped BEFORE? i dunno, that makes little to no sense to me :P

dawns little excapade with her mother made me soooooo mad! grr!

lila>> couldn't agree more about dawn and screen time. however i heard joss had "faith the vampire slayer" in mind for when sarah michelles contract runs out. faith the vampire slayer would be SO much better than dawn the vampire slayer :P faith was such a good character, i cant believe how underused shes been!
and yes, its a spoiler if its already been aired, because not everyone will have see it yet. i see angel occasionally on tuesdays, for example - but not always.. sometimes i have to wait till the NEXT monday to see it, so you guys are a week ahead of me! uh.. not that i dont read all the spoilers anyways :D

**************END SPOILERAGE*************

impfac>> also.. would be very manly to be run over by an aeroplane.. or.. so said gunjack, way back when :P

oscars>> dont watch em. have a life.

i finally got my song for my braveheart music video. yaaay! ive only been looking for the durned thing for 6 months :P

today is pay-day. my treat? im going to buy #1 of "global frequency" at the comic store. it looks shiney..
lain "nis leugh t-eachdraich, fosgail suil"
Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:58:22 AM
IP: 65.93.72.230

It's wacky URL day!
Taking first place: Michael Jackson's Planet of the Apes screen test. Or, Michael Jackson testifying in some court case.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2ohea.html

Second place: A nifty little story about our neighbor to the north. While I'm no expert on Canadian Constitutional law, I can infer from the article that they have a "free speech" clause...or I thought they did until I read this:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29657

Gside><MT>Nifty. Gotta love webcomics taking shots at each other.
<flan>What the...? Corn custard? asparagus *custard*. What kind of lead-paint-chip eating nation comes up with an asparagus custard?!

Imzadi><mac repair>In which case the target market is about 3 computers. I think that rules out making a profit unless we intentionally sabotage them regularly.
<It doesn’t hurt that much>What? Math? Or genetics?
<Rammstein> If you can, find the video. It's something that world have been written by a group of...well, damn...I don’t know what kind of twisted motherf***ers would have written that.
Also, if you're into anime, score the Evengalion/Engel video. Much goodness.
<Slide rule>Wait a second...you're accusing me of non-thinking, and yet, you admit to using some sort of computational device that is exponentially more powerful than said slide rule. The only thing you have to think about is what key to press to tell the computer to solve the equation!
<planet> Your planet?! I wanna see a deed!
<stick shift>I know how you feel. But once you get the hang of it, it is vastly superior to automatics. Rush hour traffic can get annoying, but otherwise it's a thing of beauty.
<explosives> well, yes it would... but really, when employing a 100 megaton nuke, everything becomes superfluous...especially the Winnebago...

<Impfac>Not at all depressed. Just a statement of fact. I've probably seen and done more things in the past ten years then most people do in a lifetime. It gives you a very unique perspective on the world. Personally, I think it's a bit more accurate then the worldview held my most people, but then I'm an egoist. <shrug> it all works out.

<BMW> What? And Audi/Volkswagen didn't? I honestly don’t' know, but I'd be surprised if they had nothing to do with it.
Hmm.. I wonder if some of the Japanese avoid buying American cars because of Hiroshima. Interesting.

****************************
"The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest."
Hyperion
Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:13:43 AM
IP: 151.199.241.191

Dark Shadow> Tell me your story.
The Cat
Thursday, November 14, 2002 09:41:11 AM
IP: 204.56.133.120

Anyone know any good RP sidtes for Gargoyes? I'm so sick of gfw. They keep banning me when thye don't even have there facts stright!!!
Anonymous
Thursday, November 14, 2002 09:40:46 AM
IP: 24.86.116.164

Do any of u know more RPing website OTHER then gfw? Cuz I know. As soon as they see my i.p there bann me again for nothing. I mean no one knows the story. They just go on this stuk up, faking good person named garudsin's word. THey don't even ask for my story! Don't u think thats aliitle stupid? There like prejudgementle! I totaly HATE people like that! But... Thre like the only real time RP gargoyles chat onthe web...!!! She what am I suppost to do? Any ideas?
- [Dark_Shadow500@hotmail.com]
Thursday, November 14, 2002 09:35:48 AM
IP: 24.86.116.164

*peeks in*
Lynati> The explorer is a bad thing for testing formatting - cause it tries to fix errors it finds 'on the fly'. Additionally there might be another problem within the story's code..... yet I need to see the story to point out the reasons the GFA keeps messing with the formatting. I DO have a suspicion, but....

Mail me!
*poofs back to work
Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gargoyles-fans.org]
Thursday, November 14, 2002 09:23:52 AM
IP: 134.147.82.247

*****BUFFY SPOILERS*****

AAAAAAAAAAAK!!! Very upset. Little sweet trekkie geek child was unceremoniously sacrificed on a symbol on the floor of the high school basement! Jonathan is dead! How's that for a plot twist? Danged a-hole WARREN. Grr. And Spike's been biting. What's with that? Not that it's a bad thing... but seriously, I'd put down money that the biter AIN'T Spike. And why is Dawn getting so much camera time? If we have to watch someone other than Buffy herself, why the heck not bring back Faith? SHE rocked. One more rant... stupid psychoanalytic vamire. I really wanted to kick him. You know there's a major issue when the person cast looks better WITH the ribbed forhead... and was a pointless waste of screen time. If this is the last season, they need to improve the quality of their output.
*****END BUFFY SPOILERS*****

Hey, is it still a spoiler if the episode has already aired? I assume so. -Lila
Lila - [liejones@yahoo.com]
la
Thursday, November 14, 2002 03:56:12 AM
IP: 134.173.121.83

*Sings* Happy birthday to meeeeee! YAY! I've finally reached the big 1-8!
I'm Eighteen at last. *Happy sigh* Eighteen years since I came ito this with a couple of broken ribs, an umbilical cord round my nck and a head full of dreams (Or it could have been hallucinations caused by the lack of blood ;P)
*Looks around hoping Delilah will out from somewhere*

Silverbolt
Thursday, November 14, 2002 02:29:59 AM
IP: 213.1.107.78

this bites.

I've tried to post and repost this fic in the GFA, like, 20 times now.
I ran through it in explorer to make sure the formatting was right, and yet, it comes out FUBARed every time I try to get post it.

I'll try to redo it tomorrow, I guess... : P
Lynati
Thursday, November 14, 2002 01:07:25 AM
IP: 65.66.159.217

Lady Mystic - I submitted a request for change in my profile and haven't heard a thing back.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:53:44 AM
IP: 204.94.193.39

Imzadi> <<Are>>: And "a lot" is two words. And that whould be is here because I am talking about the unified chunk of language "a lot."
<>: But I am a sexy, sexy man. As a side note, one of my roomies made me a sign: "For the best time $2 can get you, call G-SIDE. No man or woman refused."

Spacebabie> <<That was supposed to be WRAPS as in those sandwich things made from tortillas>> : Sure... That's what you say now.
<<Like Johnson plugs?>>: Eh?

Hyperion> <<anyone that read Megatokyo regularly zip on over to Penny Arcade and take a gander at the newsposten>>: And then back to Megatokyo for Piro's response.
<<What, exactly is a "flan">>: It's a type of custard.
<<It sounds like it should be in the "quiche" family>>: That, too. Apparently there are also asparagus, sweet potato, and sweet corn flans.
<<Or possibly in the "industrial lubricant" family>>: That one's up for debate.

Imzadi> <<That is SO not a word>>: An misspelled, looking at the roots.
<<Or just buttons and coils>>: You forget I'm in ECE, so I am doing the stuff between the button and the coil, not the buttons or coils themselves.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:37:07 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

!@#$. I'm just starting now to feel sick, which is likely to ruin my fun at the Korn/Disturbed concert on Saturday and probably my midterm tomorrow as well. Hopefully I do okay. Steel design means open book/note/computer.

***BUFFY COMMENTS***

This episode was so boring I had to turn it off after 30 minutes. Were there any mildly interesting plot developments in the last half? I pay to see SMG kicking ass and looking hot, not sitting there whining.

***END BUFFY COMMENTS***

Kathy: <<We're 50th in the nation in SAT scores down here, the occasional grammatical error can't be helped>>: So, because the state is retarded, people shouldn't try? At some point, passable grammar should just become natural to people (though perhaps not spelling). It is a natural result of communication.

Dark: <<Please help me get back in to the fandom>>: Believe it or not, you don't need to do "anything" to get into the fandom. You're here because you're a fan. <<prejudgementle>>: That is SO not a word.

Spacebabie: <<Disturbed may put out a Christmas album>>: YES! Believe was incredible, in case you haven't heard it. <<Ooh wa ah ah ah bells. Ooh wa ah ah ah bells. Ooh wa ah ah ah all the way.>>: LOL! <<Like Johnson plugs?>>: Or just buttons and coils. <<Jerked chicken is Spicy chicken>>: I know, I just always laugh when I hear it. <<Yet it could fit in a glove department?>>: I'm sure an elephant could fit in a glove DEPARTMENT, yes. <<I’ll be the first>>: Somehow, I doubt it.

Hyperion: <<figure out how to better run his PC repair business>>: switch to mac repair. They're easier to repair, but you can charge more to repair them because we're rich saps who shell out for our computers 8-) <<What the hell, was the design spec'ed out by committee?>>: Microsoft executive board. <<What, exactly is a "flan">>: Its a desert. Like bread pudding, sorta. <<Or possibly in the "industrial lubricant" family>>: HAHA. <<no, no wait...it's math thinly disguised as genetics>>: It doesn't hurt that much. <<he's one of the few people in the world that can buy his way out of getting shoved up against the wall>>: Why? You have the world! Just take his money and then shoot him. <<you either know German or you know Rammstein>>: The latter. They rock. <<Ever see the video for "Engel"?>>: Nope. <<graph the tangent of a sine curve>>: Cosine curve. Didn't even need to calculate anything :-P <>: We don't use slide rules, you non-thinker! ;-) And for the record, its MY planet, I'm just letting you live here for a while. Till you annoy me. <<helped me to avoid getting myself and others killed when they do something moronic>>: Defensive driving is good. <<Stick, of course>>: You wouldn't say "of course" if you saw the one time I tried to drive stick. My cousin's car will never forgive me. <<loaded with Semtex and a 100 megaton nuke>>: After the nuke, the semtex would be kind of superfluous.

Impfac: <<Computers are so strange>>: All my programmer friends insist that its amazing they work at all. <>: I try not to do it too often, just when it sticks out like a sore thumb. <<Manly list of Macho ways to Die Like a Man>>: Redundant much? Anyway, you forgot "saving the world, provided it involves violence". Saving the world by being a guinea pig for Ebola vaccinations is not a manly way to go. But saving the world by conquering aliens at the cost of your own life, very manly.

Todd: <,portraying a mentally ill person as something other than the conventional criminal lunatic>>: Ah, so this is the fantasy movie that won!

Greg X: <<free ticket>>: Hey, is that good at any theater?

Crashing. Sick. Tired. Midterm tomorrow.

45. I will make sure I have a clear understanding of who is responsible for what in my organization. For example, if my general screws up I will not draw my weapon, point it at him, say "And here is the price for failure," then suddenly turn and kill some random underling.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:46:08 PM
IP: 64.168.30.104

I too bought the big gift set, expensive but well more than worth it. I love this. THe new and extended scenes flesh the movie out beautifully. The Argonaugh bookends are great, the National Geographic DVD is great.

And best of all, it comes with a free ticket to "The Two Towers".
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:12:54 PM
IP: 216.179.2.164

LOTR Extended Edition:

My brother bought the "Gift Set" yesterday. It's basically a toy with the Extended Edition set (which comes in a green simulated leather case) included. The whole thing comes in a big 7x7x8.5" Box. Sheesh!!
Leo
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:09:35 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

Actually on a beautiful mind -- the very worst part of that movie is that it makes itself out to be a biographical film but it takes HUGE liberties. That is like complete and utter fiction -- reality was MUCH different than the film and the characters would be *MUCH* less likable if it had followed reality.
silvadel
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:02:21 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

At any rate, the main point of my statement was not majorly about the oscars(that was a minor point) but that the extended edition of LOTR(aka the directors cut) is a BETTER movie than the one I saw in theaters...

They cut scenes and parts that should have been left in... Every time something looked a little disjointed in the original movie, there was something they cut.

Yes 4 hours is a little long for a movie, but those extra 35 minutes really added A LOT to the film. It just "feels" better and flows better and ...

Well the film was the best of last year and the EE is a full magnitude better than the original offering.

And in essence I brought up the academy because since it was so much better than what was released that even that predjudiced body might have come out on its side reluctantly and unhappily.

If you havent seen it -- at least RENT the extended edition... It is a big step up from the movie.
silvadel
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:59:13 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

Fan Fic Recommendation -- Jackel's new fic, "And Ask Not" is superbly written. An all in one story, of love and betrayal, dark magic and bittersweet longing, Demona and the London Clan... Five stars aren't enough to do it justice.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 09:35:35 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

I never watch them. I don't really know waht the point it.
Thinking of a new name
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 08:49:48 PM
IP: 24.86.116.164

I saw each and every movie nominated for the Oscar this year. And "A Beautiful Mind" was the worst movie of the lot. While I thought that "Fellowship of the Ring" was the best, I'd have been a little satisfied. But "A beautiful mind" was the crappiest movie I'd seen in a long time. Looking at it as a film, it was just terrible. Ron Howard should not be allowed to make movies. Period.

As for why LOTR didn't win, the big reason was because it was not made in America. Christopher Lee is a member of the Academy and he spoke about this in an interview. He did however agree with not giving Sir Ian McKellen the Oscar. The reason being that Ian's job is not finished yet. Wait till "The Return of the King" when we see the whole thing and then give it to him, which is when he'll truly deserve it. Of course in this case, Sean Bean should have been nominated and definetly should have won. Lee also says that once "Return of the King" is released, it will be a crime if it does not get all the awards.

I'll see if I can find the link again.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 06:53:16 PM
IP: 216.179.2.164

I have my own suspicion why "A Beautiful Mind" got the Oscar over "The Lord of the Rings". A major factor was that, according to what I've read, "A Beautiful Mind" had performed a Valuable Social Service in portraying a mentally ill person as something other than the conventional criminal lunatic (a la the Joker in "Batman"), and that probably had a major influence on the judges' decision. At least, that's one possibility that I've considered.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 06:33:44 PM
IP: 67.28.92.72

Test and paper time, gah. Also run to the doctor before I hurt myself time, just lie enough about your intentions so they don’t commit you against your will >:( I hope I find a med or treatment that actually works damn it.

Okay, this wasn’t cool.... I was out driving last night in the rain doing a perfectly reasonable, legal speed around a turn, and spun out. I was astonished. I just did a lazy 360, across the conjoined lain, up a grass embankment, and ended up pointed the right way. It happened so quickly I just hit the gas and kept on moving. I know how my car handles, and this isn’t it.

It’s now in the shop again-2 days after the last repair, which was 2 weeks before the previous one, and so on-for break work.

*********************************************

Oscars> Everyone knows it’s politics and not merit that drives this crap. I don’t even feel the need to comment. That’s like debating if the Senate is over politicized =P

Leo> I dunno. Those are pretty complex screw ups. Usually it’s just a block or an upside down question mark =P Computers are so strange.

Josh> Don’t insult peoples grammar. I aint got none, and they aint not gonna teach it, so don’t git uppity when people make a mystake please? thank y’all. I am serious though, it’s uncouth.

Hyperion> <Bah! *nobody* is innocent> Woah, you sound like me when I get depressed! Err, well, pretty much me all the time =P Maybe you’re as big a mental screw up as me ^_^ <'96 Audi A4 Quattro. Stick, of course.> Damn, you’re loaded! Those things are sex machines, one step below a BMW (which I’d never drive after what BMW did in the holocaust). I’m not sure I could ever justify owning such an expensive car though... I’d rather get a cheap Chevy and have the rest for spending cash.

Hey, dump the clutch once for me?

<Hmm…that might just trump “getting caught in a combine” is my preferred way to go. >

Oh, time for IMPFAC’s Manly list of Macho ways to Die Like a Man:

1: Any explosion (non-fast food related)

2: Whore house heart attack

3: Mutilated, crushed, maimed, limbs torn off, etc by heavy machinery.

4: Mauled by bear, mountain lion, or alligator

5: Driving recklessly (bonus points if you’re street racing AND don’t know your opponent)

6: Getting shot
Impfac
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 03:17:43 PM
IP: 66.66.203.129

Addendum:

Spacebabie><Christmas> I actually have no problem with "the mighty dollar", as you may have gatherered from my "John Galt" reply below. But I still think that marketing execs can show a little chronological perspective.

Fin
Hyperion
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:00:19 PM
IP: 151.199.242.235

So, I'm currently contracted into helping a associate of mine figure out how to better run his PC repair business. SO I went out with him yesterday to get a firsthand view of his operation. One customer, a rather voluminous woman in the standard-issue muumuu was...shall we say, difficult. Difficult to the point that I no long fear hell, for it cannot be any worse then the 45 mins we spent with that harpy. The second the case was back on the machine we blew out of there so quick I'm pretty sure we redshifted. We get back to his truck and take a breather. I say, "So, what's next?"
Reply: "After calls like that, Jack black and a Swisher."
Me: <blink>. So he goes to the back and comes up with a large bottle of Jack and a box of Swischer Sweets. We have a few swigs and drive off, puffing on the cigars.
The boy may not have much business sense, but he's got a foolproof method for unwinding after a taxing experience.

And to further add to my spreading of mirth I'd suggest that anyone that read Megatokyo regularly zip on over to Penny Arcade and take a gander at the newsposten.

From the top:

Allaine><John Galt> The man who swore to stop the motor of the world; and did. See also: "My role model"; "Ayn Rand"; "objectivism"

Silverbolt><unicron>I think he was trying to keep if from flying off, actually....
The better question is, what sort of warped civilization decides that building a sentient robot the size of a large planet that derives power from *eating other planets* is a good thing? What the hell, was the design spec'ed out by committee? Morons...they were probably an appetizer.

Gside><flan>What, exactly is a "flan". It sounds like it should be in the "quiche" family. Or possibly in the "industrial lubricant" family.

ooh! genetics!...no, no wait...it's math thinly disguised as genetics...never mind...

Imzadi><Bill Gates> Actually he's fairly far down my list. And he's one of the few people in the world that can buy his way out of getting shoved up against the wall[when the revolution comes(,implied)].
<nein> Well you either know German or you know Rammstein. Or both, really. Ever see the video for "Engel"?
<not dying> Yeah, I know a guy that tried immortality through not dying. It didn't work for him, but I figure he just didn't keep it up long enough.
<math>look here, mathboy, you can math your way off my planet and if we need you to integrate something or graph the tangent of a sine curve, we'll call you. Now scram, I think your slide rule is calling...

<Gunjack>hmm....*decides to put out standing orders that Gunjack is to be shot if he ever begins closing on me, especially if mumbling "kill and eat" like some Quake 3 zombie*

Impfac><powerslide> Actually I wasn't kidding. I learned to drive from my dad who was a Secret Service Agent and did stuff like that with the Presidential limo. More often than not, being able to slide, skid, and j-turn have helped me to avoid getting myself and others killed when they do something moronic. (For example, stopping too close to an intersection around a blind turn)
As a bonus, I also increase profit for local dry cleaners.
<what kind of car> '96 Audi A4 Quattro. Stick, of course.
<innocent people> Bah! *nobody* is innocent. Anyone that's made it past puberty has screwed something up...maybe big, maybe little...but certainly not "innocent".
I, of course, being equally non-innocent, volunteer to drive the flaming Winnebago loaded with Semtex and a 100 megaton nuke into the vast majority of the world’s population all while yelling “Tora! Tora! Tora!”
Hmm…that might just trump “getting caught in a combine” is my preferred way to go.

*******************************
"I demand you open a channel to Earth at once."
"I'm a Lieutenant Commander on Earth Force, Major. I don't take demands. If you will request, I will consider it."
"Very well, then. I request that you open a channel to Earthdome."
"Request denied. Have a nice day."
Hyperion
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:56:23 AM
IP: 151.199.242.235

Kathy on Buffy> Here, Here! The show is definately back on track.

Cyberclaw on the Oscars> I agree with that statement too, I realized a lot sooner with Forest Gump. But I would add when was it ever about excellence in the cinematic arts. The original Academy Awards as I saw them was just a way to legitimize the industry. Back then much of the entertainment industry was considered a base occupation. The awards were a pat on the back and chance to showcase how glamorous Hollywood can be. And it worked like penicillin.

I don't think the Academy has specifically a prejudice against sci-fi/fantasy, more like they have a prejudice as to what an best picture movie should be. Mental Illness, sweeping epics covering the lifetime of a person, and inexorable tragedy are the obvious tells for a best picture nod.

The good news is I think the public is getting wise to this. The Academy Awards have undergone a lot of changes because people aren't tuning into it in the record numbers it used to. What matters to the viewing public is seeing something they like. What matters to the studios is the public likes seeing their movie? The Oscars are shrinking in importance to that end.

Just a little anarchist rant first thing in the morning.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:24:37 AM
IP: 66.215.66.116

Weather they are only 1/4th human or 1/4th fey I refer to them both as quarterlings cause it sounds better then three fourthlings

I heard a rumour…and you are not going to believe hits, but Disturbed may put out a Christmas album.

“Ooh wa ah ah ah bells. Ooh wa ah ah ah bells. Ooh wa ah ah ah all the way.”

Eeep tomorrow my Gathering Essay is up for Workshop[. I think I’ll bring in that pic of Patrick and Jen since it is mentioned.
***************SPOILERS FOR BUFFY AND SMALLVILLE*****************
Buffy. Good episode. A little funny where she was playing catch up with the vampire that used to go to school with her and his psyche evaluation of her. The scenes with Dawn and her mother was scary and touching. Spike is biting people again? Only one problem with this episode

Where the hell was Anya and Xander?

Smallville…talk about foreshadowing with what Lex said about the path to evil. OMG The mayor is The Cancer Man!
************************SPOILERS END**********************************

Patrick<<<And I can't do math apparently…>>>Neither can I, but I don’t let that get to me.

Hyperion<<<Look at a goddamned calendar! See that holiday there, the one that starts with the "T". Yeah, it's *before* Christmas so it is, in fact, the Thanksgiving season.>>>People spend more money during Christmas. It’s all about the all might dollar…Bah humbug.

Gside<<<What makes him so lucky?>>>He’s from Texas<<<And what makes Warpmind even more special? >>>Damn! I type like a spaz. That was supposed to be WRAPS as in those sandwich things made from tortillas <<<Whereas I am big, hairy, and design vending machine controls.>>>Like Johnson plugs?

Revel>>>:::Smooch!:::<<>>So is my dad and it doesn’t bother him. Your dad is Texan right?

Josh<<<Kinky. Don't hurt him.>>>I’ll be gentle<<<Double kinky.>>>See response to Gside<<<Triple Kinky.>>>Eh Jerked chicken is Spicy chicken. In Caribbean cooking to jerk means to add spice.<<<An elephant would never fit in the trunk of a car!>>>Yet it could fit in a glove department?<<<And therefore cannot be president.>>>I’ll be the first. <<<Really. I swear.>>>Yeah I believe you grasshopper
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, USA
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:09:55 AM
IP: 67.24.17.227

Kathy> Mmmkay, never getting work again is a dramatization. Nonetheless, throughout is forty year carreer, Welles made a total of four or five Hollywood movies (Citizen Kane, Magnificent Ambersons, The Stranger, Lady from Shanghai, and Touch of Evil). The only one he had true controle over was Kane. He only made Touch of Evil because Charlton Heston insisted on it. All his other movies were self-financed and made and never got a real Hollywood release.

His other Hollywood appearances were at the insistance of others, not Hollywood itself. Hollywood hated him. Poor Welles ;_;
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:44:46 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

*reads latest Timedancer story and sighs*

Oh well. Who is John Galt?
Allaine - [eac2nd@yahoo.com]
Philadelphia, PA
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:13:56 AM
IP: 152.163.189.68

Didn't Orson Welles also do the voice of Unicron in the Transformers movie?
He was pretty good especially his line "Destiny... you... can not destroy... my destineeeeeeeeee!" Then he blows up. (Just goes to show how stupid some evil planet eating robots can be, he pulled off his own leg for crying out loud!)
Silverbolt
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 09:48:36 AM
IP: 212.50.183.100

I just wnted to say that. For the past few months this person who will remain unnamed for some reason, has buged me,and has getten my banned for basicly nothing from GFW,S8 and now Age of Gargoyles. I need to see justece done here. Please help me get back in to the fandom. Sheis very prejudgementle. I hope u will not be.
Dark - [Dark_Shadow500@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 09:25:09 AM
IP: 24.86.116.164

Orson Welles never got work in Hollywood AGAIN? I don't think so, Tim. Up until the day he died Mr. Welles was working as an actor, director and writer in all sorts of projects. My favorite of his later roles was in the original Muppet Movie where he was the head of the movie studio - bequether of "rich and famous" contracts.
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Welles,+Orson follow the link or click my name for what is probably an incomplete listing of the man's work.

Buffy - Now THAT was how every episode should be.

Josh > Don't snipe at Heather. We're 50th in the nation in SAT scores down here, the occasional grammatical error can't be helped.
kathy
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 08:06:42 AM
IP: 66.167.55.146

Josh: Look, I was on the school computer in the library and the people there watch what you're doing on-line like a hawk so I had to type fast. I don't complain about you so don't complain about me, alright?
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 06:36:22 AM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Sooo close to being done with the majority of my workload for the semester. I swear that Friday I really will get to the library and start doing my research. Right after my steel midterm on thursday. All I need are books, then I can write the paper over thanksgiving break.

Really. I swear.

My roommate got a new 23" cinema HD display, 1920x1200 pixels of LCD love. Bastard. That brings his total to a 23", a 22", and a 17" flatscreen set. I hate him.

Heather: <<there is alot of critics>>: Are. I know its Georgia, but grammar doesn't hurt.

Taleweaver: <<Wesley and Gunn fighting over Fred was a head-scratcher>>: Gunn was fighting over Fred, Wesley was just defending himself from Gunn.

Airwalker: <<an atom bomb launched from space>>: An atom bomb launched from space isn't magically less dangerous than one detonated on earth.

Godiva: <<Maybe I'm just having a blonde moment>>: Yes, you were. <<Too much thinking>>: I know its painful for a blonde.

Christine: <>: Unfortunately, others didn't.

Gside: <<Whereas I am big, hairy, and design vending machine controls>>: I can see where that would be a complete turn off. <<Does he taste like chicken? Pork? Or maybe flan>>: If its not chocolate, its not worth the calories.

44. I will only employ bounty hunters who work for money. Those who work for the pleasure of the hunt tend to do dumb things like even the odds to give the other guy a sporting chance.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 02:22:26 AM
IP: 64.168.30.104

Christine> FOTR - I could tell you were posting a link you thought was funny. It was. ^_^

Revel> Newbies - I'm really just making it easier for them. One less poster for them to read and/or respond to.

DPH> hoarding - I don't see ya stopping me. ;P

Time for sleep to take me for a while.
Mmm sweet dreamies...
Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 01:28:17 AM
IP: 198.81.26.201

Revel> <<Because I'm cute and fluffy and I draw pretty pictures>>: Whereas I am big, hairy, and design vending machine controls.

Imzadi> <<He's edible>>: Does he taste like chicken? Pork? Or maybe flan?

Fire Storm> <<The writer even SAYS that he is doing it in the style of Piro>>: Doesn't really seem much like it. My recent find is Wereworld. Gratuitous nudity.

Imzadi> <<Just reverse the parentage>>: Or put another way, a quarterling is a 3/4-ling human.

Fire Storm> <<that Y Chromosome will stay the same>>: For all the good it does us. The Y is more about what's not there than what's there.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 01:24:26 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Josh > yes, dear ... I knew it was a joke, that's why I posted the link. ;)
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:30:28 AM
IP: 65.239.62.129

cyberklaw> <<They could have released the best film in the entire history of cinema, and it wouldn't have won that oscar>>

It's called "Citizen Kane" and it only got best screenplay. "C.K." didn't win because Randolph Hurst (who's life the movie was based on) did everything he could to make sure the movie was stamped out of existence. Fortunately for him, Hollywood doesn't know a good movie from it's a$$, and they eventually bought into his hype.

Not only that, but Hollywood, being the true champions of meaningful cinema, made sure Orson Welle's never got work in Hollywood again, much less recieve an Oscar.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:04:57 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Cyberklaw:>Re: Oscars - points 1, 2, 3,

A-men! Preach on!!! Hollywood has a hard-on for itself!!!!

Leo
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 09:21:54 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

IMPFAC:<<~{!/~}>> what happened to all your appostrophies?

's 's 's 's 's 's 's 's 's :)
Leo
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 09:16:18 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

silvadel>><<New Line Cinema blew it when they released Lord of the Rings... It was so very close to the oscar, but upon seeing the Extended Edition, I will say that they cut exactly what would have given them the oscar. It is a much better story with the extra material, even if it would have made a lot of people who saw it in the movie have bedsores.>>

Sorry to have to say it, but I think you're wrong. NOTHING would have got Lord of the Rings the best picture oscar. It's that simple. They could have released the best film in the entire history of cinema, and it wouldn't have won that oscar. Here's the facts as I see them:

1 - Lord of the Rings is a fantasy film. The Academy Awards have something of a prejudice against fantasy and science-fiction movies. A fantasy or sci-fi film can be among the best of its year, but still will be lucky to even be nominated for best picture, or any of the acting awards. The oscars are quite happy to throw technical awards at fantasy/sci-fi films, but seem to think such films never deserve anything more than that.

2 - Lord of the Rings isn't American enough. These days, America is a lot more patriotic. So what was more likely to win? A Beautiful Mind (By an American director, about an American hero(i.e. guys overcomes mental illness, made in America) or Lord of the Rings (Based on a book by a british writer, made by a kiwi director in New Zealand with a multi-national cast with few americans)?

3 - Lord of the Rings doesn't have a 'popular' actor like Russell Crowe in it.

This all comes down to the simple truth. The oscars have long since stopped being about awarding the 'best' movies. The oscars these days are about glamour, hype and politics.

I suspected this for many years, seeing nothing to persuade me otherwise. Then A Beautifl Mind won over the far superior Lord of the Rings and that was that, I knew for certain. Personally I don't really care about the oscars anymore.
Cyberklaw
London, UK
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 08:43:10 PM
IP: 195.93.34.11

woah, the school computer did something real funky to my post....
impfac
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 08:22:29 PM
IP: 66.66.203.129

Demona and TGS> I saw someone comment that Demona became a virtual saint, and greg attack that idea. Well, to be frank, the Demona of TGS does not mesh with what we saw on TV very well with me, from what I have read thus far. She~{!/~}s basically gone from a homicidal maniac serial killer (she~{!/~}s not a mass murderer, as she does her murders personally out a twisted pathology) with no regrets or ability to see the need for change. Now she~{!/~}s all but Ms. Mom, answering to the clan and her daughter for things she in the show never showed any sorrow for.

Okay, I can see her mellowing out plenty for Angela, but practically abandoning her quest for revenge, making peace with the clan, developing close human friendships, *saving Elisa~{!/~}s LIFE???* I just can~{!/~}t make that mesh, sorry. I think the transition was too rapid, regardless of how many little incidents they create for her to be bad.

This is not to say your version of Demona is somehow utterly misconceived or untrue: she~{!/~}s not. I just think she~{!/~}s a shadow of the woman we knew. She went from a psychopath to a crank.

Just my opinion.
Impfac?
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 07:20:40 PM
IP: 169.226.63.201

New Line Cinema blew it when they released Lord of the Rings... It was so very close to the oscar, but upon seeing the Extended Edition, I will say that they cut exactly what would have given them the oscar. It is a much better story with the extra material, even if it would have made a lot of people who saw it in the movie have bedsores.

silvadel
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 06:21:22 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

Fire Storm, Josh, & Leo - Thanks for the explanation. Now, if you'll excuse me, gentlemen, I'm going to go take something for this massive headache I have. Too much thinking...

***walks away muttering about the whole -ling thing.
Godiva
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 06:05:33 PM
IP: 24.52.251.66

Ok, another genitics thing:
According to math, after quite a few generations of the first halfling's decendants ONLY mating with humans, the fay genetic material will probally be gone, with one exception: (I don't have Excel, so I am not going to bother with the math),
IF a male fay mates with a female and has a son, who has a son, etc.
THAT is the only way to guarantee that there is ALWAYS fay in their genetic code. EVery other chromosome can change, but if you constantly have sons down the line, that Y Chromosome will stay the same.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 06:02:51 PM
IP: 66.72.179.130

Godiva: If two half-lings mated, the result would be... a half-ling!
(.5+.5)/2 = .5!

A 3/4-ling is a Half-ling and a Purebred.
(.5+1)/2 = .75 (or 3/4)

Of course, this is all assuming that each mating ONLY give half of the relevant genetic material, which dosn't happen ALL the time. In PURE theory (the odds are INCREDIBLY bad), it is POSSIBLE for two half-lings to give birth to a purebred of either race. But the odds are something of the order of 1 in 2^23.
In practice, I think that Halfling is a DEFINATE 50%, and the further down the list you go, you are talking about a plus or minus of 2% per, and that can add up.
BUT, my math is probally wrong, so there!
Fire Storm
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 05:58:29 PM
IP: 66.72.179.130

Josh - That's what's confusing me. In order to get a halfling, you'd have to have a wholeling (for lack of a better word) mate with a human. The resulting offspring will give you half-human, half-fey. But what is the result if two halflings mated? Each of them is half human and half fey, and any offspring would get half of his/her parents genes. So that would that be called? And I'm still not grasping the 3/4ling parentage. Maybe I'm just having a blonde moment (no offense to any blondes that post here).

Godiva
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 05:46:48 PM
IP: 24.52.251.66

Scheiß!!!!
Leo
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 05:44:12 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

3/4ling (or 1/4 human) = offspring of Halfling parent and Fullblooded parent

Technically Alex's daughters aren't "3/4lings"

Alex = 1/4 Serena=full : (1/4+1)/2 = "5/8lings" :)
Leo
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 05:42:09 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

3/4ling = offspring of Halfling parent and Fullblooded parent or 1/4 human

Technically Alex's daughters aren't "3/4lings"

Alex = 1/4 Serena=full : (1/4+1)/2 = "5/8lings" :)
Leo
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 05:40:17 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

Godiva: How does quarterling make sense to you but not 3/4-ling? Just reverse the parentage.
Josh
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 05:34:10 PM
IP: 64.168.30.104

Airwalker - You wrote <3/4lings>.

How is it genetically possible for someone to be a 3/4ling? I can see a halfling and a quarterling, but a 3/4ling? I'm confused...
Godiva
CA
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 05:15:31 PM
IP: 24.52.251.66

Hey, if you like Megatokyo, check out Blindworks. The writer even SAYS that he is doing it in the style of Piro!

PLUS, he is doing this for a class, and if he dosn't get hits, he dosn't get the grade.
Fire Storm - [<---- Blindworks]
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 02:09:12 PM
IP: 66.72.179.130

**CURRENT TGS EPISODE COMMENTS**

LEO - You wrote: [I only saw evedince of Harthoth being happy that his "master plan" was working as he intended, smiling with anticipation during the countdown.]

But until only recently in TGS one of the main points of his "Master Plan" was achieving his own death. Meeting and marrying Gwen came off as something that happened unexpectedly and might not have been calculated into it. What if Apep does decide to keep his end of the bargain immediately by doing what he said he would do the last time (1952) - making Meryt really alive and killing Harthoth?

If there has been a change in plan and a shift in priority to not dying then it could have used some more buildup in general or at least in Part 2 when the Gwen/Harthoth romance is introduced in detail. At this point it seems like he's planning to die and has kept Gwen in the dark about the major details of it.

(In fact Gwen telling Brooklyn that she knows about Harthoths past is a form of Harthoth keeping Gwen in the dark - who knows exactly what he told her? But by telling Gwen something and having her mention to Brooklyn that she knows causes Brooklyn to make assumptions about what she really knows and thus avoid telling her information that he thinks she already knows but probably doesn't.)

On the one hand I understand that it would be hard to introduce some buildup to a plan change in Part 2 since we only get the events from her perspective. But if he's changed his mind and decided to live then that is something that has to be at the very least foreshadowed. Just dropping it in when whatever his plan is finishes up will make it seem a bit shallow.

You wrote: [Harthoth says "The night now belongs to you, Master." but secertly he's probably hoping Alex will return his "favor."]

On the other hand if Alex did find out about what Harthoth did to his daughter, that would cancel out the favor that he owes him. I wasn't crazy about the fact that there is only about one line in Part 1 of Alex feeling suspicious and having a nagging feeling concerning his meeting with Harthoth way back in Season 2-3. That should have been much more prominent in his mind when you consider how important the events of that night was to the lives of his family. Again its not building up. He isn't suspicious in the Xanatos tradition and one thing isn't leading to another. He isn't having a feeling about having met an Egyptian Gargoyle all those years back and he isn't even suggesting that he recognizes the voice that came through while he and Artus are in captivity. One should build up on the other until he reaches some conclusion when he finally sees Harthoth in person.

You wrote: [which could possibly involve Alex as a substitute for RA in the "Overthrowing of Apep" ritual.]

That isn't a bad direction to go with. But why Alex specifically when you also have a more experience Halfling out there (Merlin)? And why eliminate all the other Halflings if its a Halfling that you need to do your dirty work? That is what Harthoth did earlier when he was draining all those Halflings - basically cut their population to nothing.

And why all this need for Halflings when our heroes have all these full blooded Fey just sitting around, not to mention 3/4lings? And on top of that while technology on Earth is out cold, what about orbital and off planet technology? Why worry about Apep when you can wipe him out with an orbiting lazer or an atom bomb launched from space?

GREG BISHANSKY - You wrote: [Yeah, that all definetly sounds like things that would be said to a Gargoyle Mother Theresa ;)]

I know, I know, its a bad analogy. I was just trying to come up with something that would express the extreme change that she went through from the end of the Original Series to where Main TGS picks up.

She went from a genocidal maniac to a weepy, guilt ridden wet rag at least up to the point that we've read so far in Main TGS. I can't judge her behavior based on some dialogue thrown into the FUTURE TENSE cycle that TIMEDANCER turned into.

They say in an episode of TIMEDANCER that her fasttrack to sainthood (sorry, but its just such a fun analogy even if it isn't completely accurate :-) ) is going to detour? Fine, great, I can't wait to read it. I look forward to it. But at this point in Main TGS it hasn't happened yet and it can't be pointed to as something yet that negates the marathon paced tranformation into a wimpy crybaby that she had up to the end of S3 of Main TGS.

At this point in Main TGS she may not be Mother Teresa (again bad analogy on my part) but she's so mellow and teary - I remember one point where she was expressing her love for her human friend (I don't remember the exact story) - what the hell happened to her? From genocide in 1996 to loving Humans and tolerating Elisa Maza in 1998?

Now we get some future dialogue that she's going to regress, which while interesting in possibility, doesn't really mean all that much since she ends up in the same place she was at before her regression. From what we've seen of Benedict and Demona, he just wore her down and she latched onto him after that. He's almost like a Male Gargoyle version of Andrea except that now she's getting some sex out of the deal too.

All I can really judge the character on are the existing stories - Main TGS and FUTURE TENSE. She may regress and I'm sure it'll be in an interesting manner but at this point I haven't seen it so I can't really count it. And does the regression really matter that much if she ends up in the same position in the future that she is in the present? Its almost like it gets cancelled out as a bad mood swing she had for 50 years and then got over to get back onto the straight and narrow path Angela marked out for her.

**END OF CURRENT TGS EPISODE COMMENTS**
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 01:47:16 PM
IP: 12.88.162.51

Howdy everyone,

I hope everyone is safe and in good health. I had some extra time today, so I thought I'd post my thoughts on Angel.

*** Angel Review: Spoilers Ahead ***
When I saw the previews for this one I fetl a knot of dread settle into the pit of my stomach. Another Tabla Rasa story. Not the oldest cliche in the book, but definately one that's long in the tooth. I'll skip over the Buffy/Angel cross reference, because who hasn't pointed out the similarities and this episode had the same strengths and weakness as the "Tabla Rasa" ep last season.

The main strength is the humor. You have characters you know and love acting in goofy ways. Kudos to the Angel teem that they didn't just wipe their memory, but regressed them to their high school days. Ah, good times when Cordelia was the queen of mean and no matter how weird or whacked out the situation was she could always turning it back to her. It was funny seeing the Wesley sex appeal, rated so high by my fellow female Angel viewers, plummet when Wesley returned to the English, raised-pinky, 'care for a spot of tea, love' lace-doilly, introduced in Buffy. Of course that's countered by all the shirt Gunn, they can't seem to get enough of and the looks cast my way imply 'why can't you have a ripped chest like that?' *deep breath* Center! Center!

Fred as a pot smoking, conspiracy nut was a surprise. As was Gunn's explaining vampires. Yah know if its that simple what is Sunnydale's problem? Considering the number of video games, movies, and TV shows that contain fantasy elements, does anyone believe that revealing them as true is going to send people scurrying to hide under their bed?

I liked Wesley witchblade. Now, that's a handy weapon to have around. Wesley and Gunn fighting over Fred was a head-scratcher. First, Fred made her choice and Wesley , while not thrilled with it, respected that and never made a play for her. GunnFred and Gunn make a cute couple, it seems like they are puting up contrived obstacles to give them something to do than make out in their bedroom.

However, this has the same weakness which is also the reason why I hate the Tabla Rasa cliche. The story is obvious character-centric. But it fails to properly deliver insights or development to the character. Is Connor going to be less of a brooding jerk, knowing that his dad owns the royalties to even that little claim to fame on his electric youth? How about everyone taking stock of who they are and how far they've come from their school days. Gunn was once an alpha male in his crew. Can't imagine he's loving his sidekick status. It's so bad that not even born-to-be-mild Fred thinks him capable of killing someone. Shoot, the guys staked his own vamped out sister. Now he's the Zeppo of Angel Investigations. I could go on about Fred lamenting her lost innocence or Wesley digging his cool new brooding darkness, but the point is that an opportunity for some reflection maybe some insight was blown. I like comedy, but I like the depth and development of the characters even more. Maybe they'll catch up on that next episode, but doubtful. Impending apocalypses have a way of sucking up the entire story.

Nice try, but not a keeper.

*** Here Endeth the Reviews and Spoilers ***
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:13:34 AM
IP: 66.215.66.116

Geez, there is alot of critics in here today. :D

*TGS SPOILERS*
Yes we know that Gwen finally gets her payback that she's been wanting for almost 20 years but now... Blah... That's it?
Again, let us see what Gwen's daughter looks like!
*END SPOILERS*

Wel who is goign to see Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets? I am! BUT hope none of you people here are the radical christians that want to have a anti-harry potter party on Friday to BBQ books.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 08:32:09 AM
IP: 168.10.192.5

A bit of work today, mostly sleeping and other insignificant things.

***REVIEW: 8 MILE***

Had a chance to see this piece of theatrical art today. Overall, good. Most pop-artists-turned-movie-stars suck ass (Britney, J-Lo, etc.), but Eminem was (not surprisingly) very convincing as...himself. The other characters, however archetypal, were well played by their respective actors/actresses.

However, I have one beef with the movie that makes me not recommend it. Maybe I don't get it because I'm just an insensitive preppy white boy who's too busy keepin' the black man down, but WTF was up with that stupid rap-battle premise. What the hell is this, Pokemon?

"I dunno why, but we have to engage in these silly battles where we make 'yo momma' jokes for 45 seconds to get respect."
"Why do we need respect from these idiots?"
"Because the grand-chimpoko-mon-master said so! To fight the evil power! Whitey! Biyotch."

Okay, I admit, I've never been a poor black man in Detroit (or anywhere else, for that matter). I've never even liked rap music. But this is just stupid (even if it does really happen). And it would have been just as stupid with Industrial music.

***END REVIEWS***

***SPOILERS: ANGEL***

Lame. The whole narrator thing wasn't nearly as funny as it was in Joss Whedon's head. Everyone reverting back to high-school status is an old and tired plot device. Give me back my action and real, continuous plot!

Speaking of which, very much looking forward to the Apocalypse thing.

**END SPOILERS***

Todd: <<you'd better not look forward that much to any television program scheduled after a sports event>>: Bastards. As if sports are more important than any of those things.

Impfac: <<To take a cue from Josh, I got my Philosophy paper back: 94 for something I dashed off the night before>>: Not bad, but that's not a cue from me. I'd never dash something off the night before. <<So far, I’ve done virtually nothing and gotten the highest marks in all my classes>>: Also not a cue from me. I bust my ass for those grades. <<People just love to harp on anything popular>>: What are you, brain dead? Did you not read the earlier posts? THE WHOLE THING WAS A JOKE. <<free rentals, porn, and new release videos before they’re available to the general public for free!>>: Score! <<at least don’t be a total moron and do SOME research>>: Or don't be a total moron and read the sarcasm that's so thick you can serve with with a fork.

Spacebabie: <>: Kinky. Don't hurt him. <<Had warps for lunch>>: Double kinky. <<Mom bought me a jerked chicken>>: Triple Kinky. <>: Don't be ridiculous. An elephant would never fit in the trunk of a car! <>: And therefore cannot be president.

Patrick: <<wiped of the map>>: Just as well. We don't really need that state. <<Maybe for munchkins and Oompa-Loompas>>: My bad. <<being the distance from the elbow to the extremity of the middle finger>>: And that was my mistake. My forearm, measured from inside bend of my elbow to my wrist, is 9 inches. <<little did they know he was just measuring the lumber>>: LOL! <<engineers are useless without our calculators>>: Mine ran out of juice today. I almost had a heart attack.

Kathy: <<Why are you living in the South? Why don't you move back here where we have earthquakes and it's safe?>>: Safety is such a relative term.

Airwalker: Good comments on TGS.

Hyperion: <<you'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes>>: Wrong. Bill Gates. <<Gott weiss ich will kein Engel sein>>: NEIN! <<summarily beaten for once again giving me the keys to a locker right next to the naked old guys that stand around talking, while leaving open the other three banks of unused lockers>>: This is easily avoided by never working out. <<I'm distracted by my mental attempt to express its surface area without using negative exponents>>: HAHA. <it is not my fault that the cardio machines overlook the room where the woman's step aerobics class meets>>: They do that at your gym too!? Weird, I thought it was just an LA thing. <<there are a few female candidates I might consider>>: Forget it. I wouldn't give up immortality for anything. <<I'm only interested in attaining it though *not dying*>>: That is the best way. If it works, let me know. I'll give you whatever you want for it. <<You have no poetry in your souls, get the hell off my planet>>: Screw you! How will we get off your planet without math? And what will you do ON the planet without math?

Gside: <>: That too. <>: Very true. <<What makes him so lucky>>: He visits. <<what makes Warpmind even more special?>>: He's edible.

Revel: <<Should be studying for Thursday>>: But its only monday night! The studying begins tomorrow! <<still a long way to thanksgiving break>>: Too long, if you ask me. Even if we do leave Sunday night. <<Because I'm cute and fluffy and I draw pretty pictures>>: But not necessarily in that order. <<you get burned at the end of your usefulness>>: Interesting analogy. <<Letterbox, what magic is this?!>>: sorcery. <<after 8000 years I think your sanity would be pretty well mush>>: If I couldn't leave egypt, definitely. <<Nothing a little Duct Tape can't fix>>: Are you sure you aren't an engineer?

43. I will maintain a healthy amount of skepticism when I capture the beautiful rebel and she claims she is attracted to my power and good looks and will gladly betray her companions if I just let her in on my plans.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 02:43:50 AM
IP: 64.168.30.104

Slept 45 minutes last night, and ate one meal today. Must study for exam in morning. Eyes burn. Brain a Dashboard Confessional pudding. I will kill and eat
Kill and eat
Kill and eat
Kill and eat...
Gunjack "Blood and Susserance" Valentine
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 02:18:17 AM
IP: 192.133.129.164

Should be studying for Thursday, but eyes are already tired, so this is the place to be, with Kid Rock on the radio. Painting is going well. We'll see how the rest goes, still a long way to thanksgiving break.

Gside- Because I'm cute and fluffy and I draw pretty pictures ^_^

Spacbabie- I look forward to it. :D And talking in an overemphasized texas accent irks my mother too, being she is from New York.

GregX- I alwasy though of Demona int he future as a Joan of Arc, where you get burned at the end of your usefulness.

Christine- Letterbox, what magic is this?!

Josh- hey after 8000 years I think your sanity would be pretty well mush. "Oh look, more sand" or better yet, "The only thing that helps me maintain my slender grip on reality is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes." -Red Dwarf-

Favorite character: yeah Brook, so much character potential and growing up I had the most common with him.
Character I am most like: Now, I more like Lex, smart, bitchy, and tinker with things I probably shouldn't. not to mention building things. Nothing a little Duct Tape can't fix.

"But Kablooie, and Fun."
-Margrette, CRFH comic#2-

later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 01:27:58 AM
IP: 129.120.175.30

Imzadi> <<Repulsive?>>: I was expecting gay.
<<A song that really sucks>>: It's not horrible. Besides, I only said it was not hippie, not better than hippie.

Spacebabie> <>: What makes him so lucky?
<<Had warps for lunch>>: And what makes Warpmind even more special?
<<but gambling is legal in the whole state right?>>: Perhaps. Never cared much to find out.

Patrick> <<Because in the English system, we like integers>>: So does everyone else, we just use inches.
<<"Right!" (pause)>>: How long can you treat water? Ah hah hah.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, November 11, 2002 11:21:46 PM
IP: 165.230.240.116

I know that list was supposed to be funny. But it should have said so to begin with. But I didn't find it funny. I was just in Pissed-Off Mode MAJOR (my friend and I got into a fight). I'm a little better now. Now I ahve to go update my site and pay for my newly won auctions!
Andrea - [takari2002@aol.com]
Monday, November 11, 2002 09:43:40 PM
IP: 205.188.208.9

Egads, parents are fighting, mom is crying... *sighs* My mom drinks, gets bitter, and starts fights. My dad doesn’t listen, is stubborn, and makes it worse. I still wonder why they married in the first place, and why they stay together. They never loved each other...

Today at work at the video store (I love my new job-free rentals, porn, and new release videos before they’re available to the general public for free!) my boss happened to pop in a random tape to watch: GARGOYLES! I was thrilled. It was very distracting though. And later Lord of the Rings was on, and those “thick black lines top and bottom” were there. God I want to hit that whinny idiot with a baseball bat. If you have to make your own page on the net bitching about a great movie, at least don’t be a total moron and do SOME research. It is hilarious though.

I’ve changed my mind about selling the Buick. $40 listing fee on eBay? Screw that. But I will be parting with my nifty WWII Hitler print and some currency.

Hyperon> <<<It's there so when maniacs like me come around the blind corner at slightly less the Mach 4, I don't have to pop the parking brake and power silde around your sorry ass.>>>

Okay, please tell me your kidding? Hurting YOURSELF is one thing, risking others lives is wrong. Slow it down. And BTW, if I trash my car, kill myself, or kill someone else, I know it’s MY damn fault for going to fast, not theirs for being in the wrong place, no matter how wrong it is. I don’t screw around with OTHER peoples lives... uh, much.

Slow it down please :) At least around other innocent car-err, people. What kind of car do you drive?

Patrick> Sorry to hear about the weather. I think I heard once that hurricanes have done more damage in dollar amount than every war in human history combined? I hate forgetting stupid fun facts =P

Impfac - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 11, 2002 09:40:41 PM
IP: 66.66.203.129

AIRWALKER> <<the attitude that defined Demona at least until she became a Gargoyle Mother Teresa in Main TGS>>

If you still hold this opinion, than obviously you have not been paying much attention to the argument in "Two Roads Diverged"...

*** SPOILERS ***

"That was a long time ago!" Demona shouted. "I have changed since then."

"We thought that you'd changed before!" Broadway shouted back. "And boy, were we wrong!"

"How many more times must I apologize?" Demona screamed.

"How about once?" Broadway retorted. "And not to me, or to Angela. I'd like to see you apologize to a human, just once!"

Her tone softened. "I care about you, Mother. I always have. It took me decades to forgive you for what you did, but I eventually did. But I never stopped caring about you, and holding a little bit of hope in my heart. I only wish that Father and Elisa had lived to see that that hope was not unfounded."

*** END SPOILERS ***

Yeah, that all definetly sounds like things that would be said to a Gargoyle Mother Theresa ;)
Greg Bishansky
Monday, November 11, 2002 09:23:29 PM
IP: 216.179.2.164

Hyperion:<<Computer remove plank!>>

Riker: Startrek Generations. Worf just got his new insignia. :)
Leo
Monday, November 11, 2002 08:24:08 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

**Timedancer Spoilers**
Finally after all that Madok Jr. business we get to the moment we've been anticipating since the end of season 3. :p

Airwaker:<<Why is Harthoth happy now about freeing Apep?>> I only saw evedince of Harthoth being happy that his "master plan" was working as he intended, smiling with anticipation during the countdown. Harthoth is releasing Apep for his own benifit not Apep's. Harthoth says "The night now belongs to you, Master." but secertly he's probably hoping Alex will return his "favor." [which could possibly involve Alex as a substitute for RA in the "Overthrowing of Apep" ritual. :)]
Leo
Monday, November 11, 2002 08:19:30 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

I believe I am irritated. Why don't we review what is going on that makes me feel so? Won't that be fun? Of course it is!

1)It is NOT the farking Christmas season! Look at a goddamned calendar! See that holiday there, the one that starts with the "T". Yeah, it's *before* Christmas so it is, in fact, the Thanksgiving season. Anyone that doesn’t agree, get the hell off the planet. MIR, ISS, the Moon, Mars, I don't care, just the get thee gone. What's next? "Uh, oh, Dec 26th, only 364 shopping days 'till next Christmas?" All you marketing people that keep extending the Christmas season, you'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

2) That big thick line on the road by in intersection is where you need to stop behind. It's there so when maniacs like me come around the blind corner at slightly less the Mach 4, I don't have to pop the parking brake and powersilde around your sorry ass. In addition, the fact they your subwoofer is pounding out the beats in such a fashion as to disrupt the sonar of the Pacific Fleet, does not mean that you don't look like a moron when the guy in the A4 with the Smith & Wesson sunglasses whips around you, glaring at you while yelling "Gott weiss ich will kein Engel sein" in time with the Rammstein track blaring from the radio while burning rubber around you and you "dope ride". By the way, the "fly babe" in your alleged "dope ride" is only there because she assumed when you said you have a "vette" that you meant a "Corvette" and not a "Chevette"

3)The moron that mans the front desk at the gym will be summarily beaten for once again giving me the keys to a locker right next to the naked old guys that stand around talking, while leaving open the other three banks of unused lockers.

3a) I don’t' know about anyone else, but I go to a gym to lift weights and generally work out, not to hang out in the men's locker room with my schlong getting some fresh air. Furthermore, I fail to understand the necessity of putting one's foot up on the bench so one's crotch is neatly at my eye level. Am I supposed to admire your manhood? Let me put it this way: I am not distracted by the fact that some 80 year old johnson is eight inches from my face, I'm distracted by my mental attempt to express its surface area without using negative exponents. If a small stack of dimes give you a run for your money, wear some shorts. Or at least a towel.

4) it is not my fault that the cardio machines overlook the room where the woman's step aerobics class meets. While I may not immediately run over to the office and lodge a complaint about this setup, I'm generally more interested in monitoring my heart rate then ogling you and everyone else. However, if you so dislike having people look at you, why the hell are you wearing spandex thong-tards? Take a note from the woman in the corner there, the one in the t-shirt and shorts...like a normal person wears to work out. However if you insist on wearing something I'd look for in Frederick's of Hollywood, stop giving me evil glares in the mirror while going through whatever gyrations your instructor makes you go though in the name of "fitness". Or better yet, grab a barbell and some weights and actually "work out". It might not be as easy as standing in one place and going "step...step...step...good!" but it might do some good. Or, do the "step-step" routine while moving forward...some of us call it "running"

Ah…I feel better now.

What else do we have here...
lain> ok, I'll bite...what is the English translation of the Gaelic "blar"?

taxes> Simple. Eliminate deductions. Make a law that everyone must, every year, write a check for the money they own. All of it. Then step well away from the IRS building while the rioters burn the damned thing down. Heh. Scorekeeper, add two points to my "evil" column. Thank you.

Jaden> Excellent! Computer remove plank!
(bonus to those that can name the source of that quote)

Lila><immortality for a guy> well, not me. Now, there are a few female candidates I might consider.

Thank reminds me...I should get back to working on the plan for immorality. Many people attain it though their work, I'm only interested in attaining it though *not dying*.
Hmm...I'm going to look at turtles. <plot,plot,plot>

Patrick Toman><cubit> Wow. I think I destroyed a lung laughing. <presents trophy> Well done!
All the rest of you that started coughing up math in response to that: You have no poetry in your souls, get the hell off my planet. Now.
<Because in the English system, we like integers> Which is why they came up with the ha'penny, the pence, the shilling and whatever else in that wonky monetary system before someone whacked them up the side of head and they went to the "pound". Which really sounds like there should be an exchange rate between English currency and the weight of a sack of flour but oh well...

********************************
From an IRC log:
<Beeth> Girls are like internet domain names, the ones I like are already taken.
<honx> well, you can stil get one from a strange country :-P
Hyperion
Monday, November 11, 2002 07:57:11 PM
IP: 151.199.242.7

**CURRENT TGS EPISODE COMMENTS**

So the season finally came to an end. Quite a way to finish it off. All in all I think that FUTURE TENSE came off well. I had intended last week to type something up about Part 2 but I had some job interviews come up so I didn't have as much time as I wanted so I might refer to Part 2 here and there in this post. Just a fair warning.

First let me comment on the artwork before I say anything else. They all looked great but I particularly liked the final photo of the episode, the one with Meyrt Isis - that one was quite powerful. It captured the raw emotions and feeling of the moment very well.

The episode continues the shift in focus to Gwen. I didn't mind so much finding out about what Gwen had been doing up to that point although in Part 2 that effectively meant that Brooklyn once again became passive rather than a player in his own series. I would have prefered for him to be more questioning and suspicious - after all while he was friends with Harthoth, they are advesaries now and she has basically admitted to him that she is deeply involved with him, not to mention that he is still inside enemy territory. It should come naturally to him after all this timedancing but instead all he does is sit and listen to her drone on about her life. Its something that generates interest but the details could have been kept shorter to give more focus to him and Meryt, and then later him and Sata. The story isn't supposed to be about Gwen and the cast of the future; its only supposed to matter in relation to how it has an effect on Brooklyn, his Timedancer family, and his travels through the timestream.

As for Gwen's story, I do find it believable that Demona would help her out and that Demona would be her main contact. After all Gwen is sort of being played as inheriting some of the Demona "fire", the attitude that defined Demona at least until she became a Gargoyle Mother Teresa in Main TGS and a complete sissy in the future. My only problem with it is that there wasn't any buildup to it whatsoever. Demona pops into the story suddenly and a relationship is put together instantly. Other than being the benevolent Grandmother, or alternately the Fairy Godmother (thats how she seems to behave in the flashbacks) we have no buildup to this. At least we got to see some Gwen/Sata flashback in the last episode. I also object to Demona being so in the dark in terms of Harthoth; she might not know all the details of his past but she should have guessed something and shouldn't have been so open and understanding of him. (Demona is basically been made into a tougher version of the Original series Angela - I could see here in TGS accepting Gwen marrying a Human which is what she thought he was at the time but she had no distaste or slight distress towards it whatsoever. That felt completely wrong. And accepting Harthoth after hearing his story in the flashback here is a bit much. I could see her not getting angry considering how she tends to wallow in guilt in Future TGS but she should be more careful towards him than she appears to be in the flashback.)

Artus and Alex in captivity has some interesting possibilites attached to it. It did seem like an afterthought though or at the very least like prologue since we don't get to see them do more than have a few lines and then stay locked up past the end of the story. Alex shouldn't be as helpless and easy to take down as he appears to be. He should be able to wiggle his nose to do something if not escape. Plus it leaves the question of his reappearing/disappearing wife - is she just there for background material and to give him someone to say goodbye too when he goes off to a battle he could have avoided? She should have shown up near the end like Persephone did if only to not seem like wallpaper.

I'm also suprised that Alex hasn't recognized Harthoth as the Gargoyle who helped him way back in Season 2-3. At the very least the voice should give something away or jog his Xanatosian memory. And if he does recognize or realize something the lack of buildup to it will make an eventual realization feel flat and lifeless. A lot of these points that come up needed more buildup.

When Sata first mentions Harthoth to Brooklyn early on in the episode, when everyone finds each other, I found it a bit hard to believe that Brooklyn would be as suspicious towards her mentioning it as the line made it out to be. After all Sata is supposed to know about Harthoth and his relationship to him. It doesn't seem like a first hint that she knows anything more than she should know. I like him being suspicious but not towards Sata. She and Meryt would be the main people he wouldn't be suspicious and jumpy around. He comes off more comfortable around the others which makes it the reverse of how it seems it should be.

The Gwen Angela argument did have the right emotional feel to it - Gwen spent most of the last episode talking about how she has become independent but in reality she's still tied up to this feeling of betrayal by her mother. I felt that Angela came off weak in the discussion - she is way too prone to breaking down and crying. Its one thing to be emotional about seeing your long lost daughter but she is a stronger character than that - she can hold an argument without breaking down immediately and she doesn't have to rush home to her husband right after (which is how Brooklyn sees it at the point when they get ready to leave the country). The main problem is that the original reason for the argument is so out of character that it makes this argument feel emotion filled but weak at the same time. The whole "abandon NYC and only come back because they were called back for Artus" comes off fake, making the characters do something they wouldn't do just to fit the fact that the authors have an argument that needs a reason. I don't mind Gwen and Angela ultimately having this argument but the reasons that caused the argument are so forced - Gwen despite coming off as a bit petty and childish is still right and Angela looks like the one who is being wronged even though she really was wrong.

After that it comes out as a long goodbye scene which is basically what Harthoth and Gwen intended at the end. I don't know if I would have been so willing to be so pleasant in the middle and in the aftermath of a major argument between my friend and her daughter who also happens to be my friend. They seem to skip over the whole Gwen Angela thing in order to say goodbye and make some comments. If they were just in a rush to get the hell out of there (and if that had been made a little more clear to the audience) then it would be more understandable but it seems a little ackward.

I liked the Brooklyn Meryt moment when she makes the Cairo limitation a definite story point and not just an accidental mistake in an earlier story. Still while the Cairo bit has come up before, it could have used a bit more background and buildup rather than just writing it off as a story to perhaps tell one day. It did feel like it came out of nowhere the first time it did show up. Here it feels a little more natural in that Brooklyn is supposed to be a shocked and feel like it comes a bit out of nowhere. It also marked a bit of a shift back to Brooklyn in a story that was mostly about Gwen.

The entire "She would only see him once more in her lifetime" part seemed like a little more needless future revealing. It would have been nicer to give Meryt some hope rather than leave her still completely on the edge if not still entirely imbalanced. Giving away a good plot point as a throwaway line in a season finale seems a bit wrong. It would have made it more tragic to give her the hope of seeing him again but not being able to when she does finally kick the bucket.

I loved the moment back in the ship between Brooklyn and Sata. A bit of jealousy creeping into his conversation in the mask of worry was interesting. I did find it a bit one sided in general although not in the context of the moment that she had to feel guilty about her contact with Harthoth who was helping her (and who she was using a bit to be completely honest) and then had to explain herself while he can keep his S3 Timedancing secrets and not have to explain to her (i.e. Pandora). I hope that next season Payne brings up something to her that will force Brooklyn to be a bit more honest and forthcoming. (It might even be interesting to see a little confict between the two. Ever since they got back together at the end of the last season they are largely living in harmony. I don't know a single married couple who go THAT long without an arguement or two. Its even worse if you stretch it into the Main TGS cycle where they only make kissing faces at each other while their kids laugh at them.)

By the way at the end while I loved the countdown bit, is it even possible for Meryt to glide off into the distance and cry? I thought that it was established that she was too heavy to glide and that she couldn't blush or cry in S2. It feels off for her to be able to do so now as she is just a soul in a metal statue; it would be like Coldstone breaking down and crying - its impossible and makes it even more tragic for the soul inside. (It did make for a good picture though.)

Why is Harthoth happy now about freeing Apep? After all in all the other episodes he was doing it so that he could die. But now he has a reason to live. On top of that his most recent deal (1952) explicitly arranges his own death and Meryt being restored to flesh. Why be happy to wake Apep up now when all it will do is mean that he's going to die soon? (And while Meryt is yearning for death why not let her know that he's working on bringing her back to life again rather than let her become massively suicidal in thought? Has he shifted his plans somewhat? And if he has then without any buildup or background, it feels a bit hollow.)

I have mixed feelings on the end of technology - it feels a bit like the beginning of VISIONARIES, you know that cartoon from the 1980s and it means that Lexington is now out of the way and dead unless he has a satillite copy available that can operate from orbit. (My impression was that the spell only worked on earth and space colonies and satillites are still functioning; that should make Apep easy to deal with. Just use a satillite to fire a beam of light at him and he's done for.)

Jr. Lites appearance was unwelcome although necessary; it would have been weird to leave him out since he is also in the running to try and take advantage of the end of human technology to take over the world. My problem here is that Maeve seems to have become his new toy instead of just pretending to be like she said she would in her last appearance. I don't buy her as falling in love with a Quaterling like Jr. Lite and the paragraph really suggests feelings between the two rather than her just using him. Other than free sex for her and as a figurehead he's completely useless and its going to be difficult to establish it any other way considering how far he came this season in being perceived as a constantly manipulated brat who should be easily taken out by of the heroes, the villains, or just some little old lady having trouble crossing the street.

In the end this episode was great setup for the Apep war that is probably going to be coming next season. It was a good episode in how it established certain things for use in the next batch of hopefully TIMEDANCER stories rather than FUTURE TENSE stories. Overall though I think that there was a very strong lack of buildup to this - Harthoth does appear in the background in several episodes of this season but all that got swept aside for the tremendous filler disappointment of Jr. Lite. The buildup shifted to him and then abruptly back to Harthoth and Apep. It feels strange; I don't mind Jr. Lite since it means that we get interesting characters like Morrigan and Maeve but either he should have moved and been dealt with before Apep or the buildup to him should have started now so that he could be a threat after Apep. Right now it feels like he was built up (or rather the Teen Unseelie were built up - Jr. was never really a convincing opponent) and now the focus shifted completely to something that wasn't built up. The thread should have been kept in much stronger during the Unseelie episodes so that this wouldn't feel so much like a jump out of nowhere.

Also the focus never seemed to be on Brooklyn and Sata; we did get moments but they seemed more like background characters in their own series. In Main TGS where their is a major cast to deal with and they aren't the lead characters that is one thing. But TIMEDANCER is their series and they aren't the major players in it. They are either wallpaper or not there at all. Brooklyn and Sata need to be much more assertive and they have to always be the point of view. (Eventually Graeme and Ariana join that small group as the point of view characters but right now since they are babies basically its not such a big deal and they can stay in the background.) Brooklyn at the end of this episode was just right - his conversation with Sata in the ship was on target and his observation after the world went black was also on target. But for the rest of it he was just sitting around and listening or being led around. That is how he was most of this season. I hope that in the future, now that Apep is looking for him the focus can get back to him and his small family. They are the main characters; eveyone else is backgroud. Gwen and her history shouldn't matter except in how they play to Brooklyn, Sata, and their travels. They need to turn this back into TIMEDANCER; it was interesting as FUTURE TENSE but thats not the archive its being stored in.

I hope that in the future in addition to seeing more of this Harthoth/Apep plot play out (and finish - Brooklyn was there at the beginning and should be there at the end of it; and I get the feeling that he's going to exit it the same way that he did the first time), more of Payne who should play well considering that he has worked with Brooklyn before and has experience with both technology and magic, Brooklyn's secrets, and finally getting him and Sata back on the road again so that we can get into them just interacting with their kids and doing some ordinary timedancing. I'm also hoping that Jr. Lite gets eaten by Apep so that we can get Maeve in the true leadership position and get rid of that annoying brat. But thats just my personal preference. :-) )

**END OF CURRENT TGS EPISODE COMMENTS**
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, November 11, 2002 04:27:28 PM
IP: 12.88.166.121

Loved all the stories and I'm happy that the authors did them but being me I must ask them to do more. That was quite a major clifhanger with the last story so I hope that they have more worked out. Until them just remember all the authors have done a great job or else I wouldn't comment at all.
Dragonhulk
Monday, November 11, 2002 04:25:26 PM
IP: 67.2.91.193

Phone call last night from my husband. "Can you pull up the national weather service and see if the house we're buying (in Tennessee) is in the path of the tornado? Me "Nope. I've already pulled the network down because of the storms that are getting ready to rip through Georgia." Phone call from my mother (in California) this morning. "Why are you living in the South? Why don't you move back here where we have earthquakes and it's safe?"

Yeah. Right. Whatever.

As far as I know all the properties I have a current or future interest in made it through unscathed which is a good thing, because this is going to be a week.

Word to the wise: never try and buy and sell property at the same time if you don't live in the same state as said property. It's a major PITA.

Glad everyone in storm country made it through unscathed.

Other Stuff: You know, I really liked Angel last night even if Joss Whedon is ripping himself off shamelessly. I did like the convention of the Host breaking the 4th wall. It was different and interesting. Buffy promises to really take a shift into the bizzare tomorrow night. Hopefully it will be an improvement over last week which for the most part I found by alternates uninteresting and painful to watch.

That's all for now,

kathy
Monday, November 11, 2002 02:39:27 PM
IP: 66.167.55.146

:: peeks back in quickly ::

And I can't do math apparently...

5,280 feet in a mile, 12 inches in a foot = 63,360 inches in a mile. Divided by 18 inches in a cubit = 3,520 cubits in a mile.

See... engineers are useless without our calculators. :P

:: scurries off ::
Patrick Toman
Monday, November 11, 2002 12:40:46 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Josh and Spacebabie > Thanks for the concern. As I read the news reports now it looks like a good part of the midwest got hammered. Including a town in Tennessee "wiped of the map" with 150 still unaccounted for. Yikes!

Josh > "I thought it was standardized at 9 inches?" Maybe for munchkins and Oompa-Loompas.

Just because I was curious, I looked it up: "Cubit - A measure of length, being the distance from the elbow to the extremity of the middle finger." (No wonder Noah's neighbors disliked him... little did they know he was just measuring the lumber.) Also: "The cubit varies in length in different countries, the Roman cubit being 17.47 inches, the Greek 18.20, the Hebrew somewhat longer, and the English 18 inches." (Because in the English system, we like integers.)

So there you go. You can all impress your friends now by knowing that there are 42,240 cubits in a mile. :)

* * * * *

God: "Get some wood. Build it 300 cubits by 80 cubits by 40 cubits."

Noah: "Right!" (pause) "What's a cubit?"

- Bill Cosby
Patrick Toman
Monday, November 11, 2002 12:36:14 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

I went shopping at the mall and got to use my birthday money. Bought some CD and bath products. With a coupon I got a free sample bottle of massage oil. I think I’ll save that for when Revel comes to visit.

They had the eye shadow color I want at the Urban Decay display: Shattered. In a Demona blue.

Found a cute little Lilo and Stitch snow globe. One of those with glitter ,cause I have to face it that is what Christmas is like in Florida. Something the island state shares with us.

The coolest snow globe was musical one from Nightmare Before Christmas. The globe part looked like a large mad scientist tank filled with green liquid and it played music. It was awesome.

Spencers…OMG they have Care Bears and My Little Pony Keychains and and a Gizmo Bobble head! Ah Nostalgia Silverbolt you tempted me into buying the bobble head.

Had warps for lunch Mom bought me a jerked chicken, not enough Jerk and a diet coke and she bought herself a gyro and… I’m just going to post my answer to what she told me she was drinking
“YOU CALL YOURSELF A REAL TEXAN?”
She said that she didn’t like Coke and that was the only decent thing to drink.
So to get back at her I was calling pecans “Pee Cans”

**************SPOILERS FOR TGS and ANGEL*********************
TGS: Obviously Alex is just like his father. Gwen does take up a lot after her grandmother in the fashion of harboring a grudge

Maeve and Nicky. Still see her using him. I know he and Morrigan hate each other. She sees him as a mere Quaterling and she dated his father and insulted his mother.

Hope to see the Spawn next season.

ANGEL: This episode was hucking filarious. Loved Lorne’s narration, I did want to see what he was like as a teenager in Pylea though.

Cordy: The Bitch is back. I liked the reminded of what she was like in the first seaon of Buffy…down to the Salty goodness line, and to see how much she evolved. Atleast old Cordy has better taste in hair.

Wesley: Plenty of Buffy season three Wesley there. I figured him as a prep school guy. I loved his Witchblade, especially when it was going wonky and when Fred talked about getting proved. Good metaphor.

Gunn: Lot of Season one and the start of season two here. I also liked when he punched Wesley. Although I wondered why he didn’t mention his sister?

Fred: I knew she was like Willow in high school. I didn’t know she had a bit of Mulder in her or she was a pot smoker.

Angel/Liam…I wonder if the group will call him Liam from time to time. Poor guy he was taken out of his time and country and he discovered he was a vampire.
***********************Spoilers End**********************************

Christine>>>Your Welcome<<<in with a link to 50 Reasons Why FOTR Sucks>>>OMG! That was hilarious. I fell out of my chair at the mention of Sauron’s eye ripping off of Jimmy Carter.

1) Who is your favorite Gargoyles cahracter and why? (only those from the show, not another other works) Easy answer…Brooklyn! He’s got the attitude the looks and even the leadership skills that Goliath knew he had before even he did.
2) Least fave and why? Hard answer, but I would have to go with Vogel: This guy has less personality than cardboard. Owen is as dull too, but Owen is also Puck. Owen’s got a stone fist, Owen kicked Xanatos’s butt once.
3) Which garg character are you most like? I hate to say this but…Maggie. I’m a wimp like her.

DPH<<<Hmm. Where can I sign the petition to place you on the ballot?>>>Hey at least I got one vote

Gside<<<Yes, but not Atlantic City.>>>but gambling is legal in the whole state right?

Firestorm>>>My lord :::rolls eyes:::

Josh<<<That sounds really disgusting.>>>Well the stuff that comes out the eyes is really just water, tears technically.<<<WTF is sugar fluff?>>>I guess it can be cotton candy but I was going for sweet and adorable. Technically I was being sarcastic <<<She put it in the glove box.>>>I thought they were supposed to go in the trunk.<<<Old hat, greg and I have already made those promises.>>>Well I still am able to one up the both of you. I’m a woman<<<

Warpmind<<<and I just might decide, whenever I buy razors again, that my hair stays, that I might become truly bishounen. };) >>>Actually if you are over 20 you are a biseinen which is beautiful MAN. I prefer those.

Mooncat<<<Which Gargoyles character would you like to be if someone zapped you into the show?>>>I’m not worthy to be any of them…Well I would like to be Robyn. Hey mebbe I’ll dress like her for the next gathering…except I don’t know if I wann go with the Hunter garb or the business attire garb. :::Looks at Patrick:::Yeah I know which one YOU’d want. Oh great I just gave him an idea for next year.

Leo:<<<once again "Futurama" gets prempted for that stupid mindless game>>>Wich one?

Patrick<<<your "Futurama" could have been pre-empted for a tornado warning,>>>Patrick Hugs! There were bad storms in the Southeast too…Not in Florida but Oh the pictures on the news. :::Has Flashbacks to February 1998::
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Monday, November 11, 2002 12:21:54 PM
IP: 67.25.54.172

It’s been one of those weeks :*( But at least metal demon was there with a big soft shoulder to cry on :) After the accident I’ve run out of money, and sort of broke down. I just can’t handle stress anymore >:( So I cried and drank too much and puked my guts out. Oh well...

I’m also selling a bunch of my stuff, including the Buick. I’ll post a link to eBay so you can see her in all her damaged glory.

To take a cue from Josh, I got my Philosophy paper back: 94 for something I dashed off the night before. So far, I’ve done virtually nothing and gotten the highest marks in all my classes =] At least the year I have my breakdown was an easy one :)

LOTR sucks> "Millions of copies of the LOTR DVD have thick black bars at the bottom and top of the screen throughout the film. Didn't anyone catch this? You know what happens at the end, in the extreme foreground and extreme upper sky? Neither do I. Bush league, guys."

Um, okay, is this guy an idiot, or is this something OTHER than what is commonly called letter boxing, to enjoy the movie in it's fullest? Just curious. People just love to harp on anything popular >=[

Leo> What you fail to grasp with the tax hike is that it’s ALWAYS JUUUUST 1%. That’s how tens of millions of middle class Americans have ended up paying 50-60% of their income in taxes, from direct income tax to sales tax to school tax property tax gas tax tax on imports tax on chemicals etc etc. I would have voted that tax increase down too. This stuff adds up very, very quickly, and people in the real world just can’t afford it anymore.

“If you want an image for the future, image a boot, stamping on a human face-forever.” -1984
Impfac - [impfac@yahoo.com]
Monday, November 11, 2002 11:06:30 AM
IP: 66.66.203.129

LEO - Well, if there's one thing that I've learned over the years, it's that you'd better not look forward that much to any television program scheduled after a sports event; the sports event will simply last longer than was originally scheduled (sometimes even going into overtime), and the program will be pre-empted.

* ANGEL SPOILERS *

This one was definitely in the LOL category; I especially laughed at the part where Wesley thrusts out a cross at Gunn, who promptly decks him. And at the Host's narration (even "coming out of unconsciousness" to comment on the amnesiacs, Greek chorus-fashion). We certainly got some interesting looks at what they were like in their earlier years (Fred a conspiracy nut, for example) - though for me, one of the real highlights was Angel's regression (pity that they didn't do more with the 18th century Irish wastrel suddenly finding himself in the 21st century, although his discovering that he was a vampire would have had to have quickly upstaged it, but at least they were able to work in his terror at cars and his dislike towards the "English occupation").

Of course, I definitely want to see what the "coming Apocalypse" will be like, next episode. That should be really worth seeing.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 11, 2002 08:51:23 AM
IP: 63.208.60.227

We spent all day today cleaning the apartment. My roommate even got his new g/f to help out, and she did the WHOLE kitchen! Apparently, its natural color is white. At least I didn't have any work to do. Tomorrow begins studying for my steel midterm. Fun fun!

***TGS COMMENTS***

Glad those threads are all wrapped up. I liked Alex's jokes (I wonder if he keeps a candy bar somewhere in his exo-suit?) and the final scene with Apep. But Gwen really needs to !@#$ing grow up. I understand the grudge against parents all too well, but come on, ten years and THAT is your response!?

***END COMMENTS***

Lila: <<Who WOULD give up immortality for a guy?>>: Well, I've been told I can do amazing things with my hands...

Patrick: <<tornado warning>>: Best of luck. Don't die.

Gside: <<which word would you use to describe it?>>: Repulsive? <<You're just saying that>>: Am not! <<Varies from measurer to measurer. It's the length of your forearm>>: I thought it was standardized at 9 inches? <<Praise You by Fatboy Slim>>: A song that really sucks.

DPH: <<you trumped me in the UPCOMING semester>>: If it makes you feel any better, I will probably wind up doing TA stuff on Monday and Wednesday. <<Are you sure that you could pull off that arrangement every semester?>>: I haven't tried. I tried to do it this semester, but gave up when some of the key classes were cancelled. <<what about the mutants who can travel through time?>>: I'll kill them. <<Of course, that doesn't mean I could tell hickory from oak>>: Neither can I. I can, however, tell you the difference in design values.

Mmmm...sleep.

42. When I capture the hero, I will make sure I also get his dog, monkey, ferret, or whatever sickeningly cute little animal capable of untying ropes and filching keys happens to follow him around.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, November 11, 2002 04:57:06 AM
IP: 64.168.30.104

I didn't quite have enough time to type my post up before releasing the story. *shrugs shoulders*

Imzadi - <Blah. I have all my classes on tuesday/thursday next semester.> Ok, you trumped me in the UPCOMING semester. Are you sure that you could pull off that arrangement every semester?

Which garg character ar you most like? ? *Thinks for a minute* Owen/Puck. Owen for when I'm serious and Puck for when I'm not.

Robby - <Wow, two posts from me in 24 hours.> *dph's hologram catches dph in time to keep dph from hitting the floor due to near fainting*

Imzadi - <41. Once my power is secure, I will destroy all those pesky time-travel devices.> what about the mutants who can travel through time?

Warpmind - <Only as disturbing as you make it.> I have connection to wood. My dad is a contractor. Of course, that doesn't mean I could tell hickory from oak.

Today, I moved my computer temporarily to my church to do some recording/burning cds and moved it back. The first recording set had some problems. :-( But the second set came out perfect. :-)

Patrick - <Hey, it could be worse... your "Futurama" could have been pre-empted for a tornado warning, like it was here in northern Ohio.> Ever notice that commercials are never pre-empted for weather advisories?

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, you're only a day away. Yes, tomorrow I have a scheduled visit to the chiropractor's office. I always look forward to those visits.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, November 11, 2002 01:07:48 AM
IP: 204.94.193.32

TGS proudly presents the Timedancer Season 4 Finale . . .

The Harsh Light of Day, part 3

Outline by Alan "Coleman" Waltrip

Written by Alan "Coleman" Waltrip

Artwork by Revel, Lynati, and Lain

Visit http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/ce.html , visit my link, or click the link at the top of the page to read this week's story.

Also, reminder: a week from Monday the credits for the tgs staff gets changed.
DPH - [<--Click here to read this week's story]
AR, USA
Monday, November 11, 2002 12:03:11 AM
IP: 204.94.193.32

Imzadi> <<"Dashing" isn't the word I'd use to describe that>>: So which word would you use to describe it?
<<But now that I do, my answer changes>>: You're just saying that.

Robby> <<read the sarcasm inherant within>>: See the vilence inherent in the system?

Patrick> <>: Varies from measurer to measurer. It's the length of your forearm.

And since some people apparently don't like hippie music, something more modern this time. Praise You by Fatboy Slim.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, November 11, 2002 12:01:00 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Hey, it could be worse... your "Futurama" could have been pre-empted for a tornado warning, like it was here in northern Ohio. Four fatalities in the western part of the state... major damange scattered all around... and one helluva thunder and lightning show for a couple hours there.

And it's still raining. Coming down pretty good right now, in fact. I think I'd better go find out how long a cubit is, just in case.

:: sloshes off ::
Patrick Toman
Sunday, November 10, 2002 09:47:03 PM
IP: 67.38.248.227

Hehe, it is a joke people. But YET some of the stuff... J/K :D

*tackles her Robby-san* Post for often!
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Sunday, November 10, 2002 08:38:27 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Well once again "Futurama" gets prempted for that stupid mindless game. :P
Leo
Sunday, November 10, 2002 07:06:45 PM
IP: 68.10.125.229

Two notes: The list -hilarious. Who WOULD give up immortality for a guy? ;-) And, seperately/randomly: for those of you who have yet to see The Ring. . . do so. It is terrific. And I do not compliment films often. -Lila
lila - [liejones@yahoo. com]
Sunday, November 10, 2002 07:06:33 PM
IP: 134.173.121.83

In other news, Amy K. Cyrway just posted a new Gargoyles fan-fic in the archive.

*continues to be stunned, but is no longer hyperventillating*
Lynati
Sunday, November 10, 2002 06:17:21 PM
IP: 65.66.159.138

Wow, two posts from me in 24 hours. And I haven't posted in what, 6 months aside from room wipes or whatever? Anyway, I'm agreeing with Josh on this one, the FotR thing is obviously a joke from the very first line. I thought it was hilarious myself.Its just a JOKE folks, read the sarcasm inherant within. Its funny stuff.
Robby
Sunday, November 10, 2002 04:44:06 PM
IP: 205.188.208.9

Apparently, you both completely missed the point of that list.

IT WAS A JOKE! It's designed to mock trekkies, religious nuts, people who nitpick, etc. That should have been obvious at the second item on the list.

This one is my favorite: "Liv Tyler's character is seen easily defeating nine strong supernatural beings, even though she is clearly a woman". OBVIOUSLY A JOKE, PEOPLE.
Josh
Sunday, November 10, 2002 03:43:57 PM
IP: 64.168.30.104

Christine: My, that list was...interesting. While a FEW or those reasons maybe be true, they are also VERY opintionated. Especially the part about scenes being stolen from other movies. Some COULD be coincidence. Espicially the cornfield/Shrek one. Filming for LOTR was long sicne done when Shrek came out. I don't think they had the time to copy it. Besides, almost every scene in a movie now resembles SOME other movie in some way (whether or not is recogognizable is another story).

About the racsims comments: ITS JUST A MOVIE BASED ON A SERIES OF BOOKS. The director tried to stay true to the text. So be mad at Tolkein for not including blacks for protagonists. I didn't notice and Asians in there either. I'm sure there are movies with all black people in them. But I haven't heard any white people complain about that.

About the black bars acroos the top and bottom: Gee, most DVD are made this way. It's called widescreen format. You might have heard of it!

Swicthed actors: SO? Do all James Bond movies have the same man playing James? But he's still James Bond no matter who plays him.

To most other "COPIED" things: LOTR was witten a long time ago. Most things on the mentioned on the list (like the Warcraft series for example), weren't even invented when the series came out.

BTW, my thoughts are NOT directed at anyone but the writers of this list. If I have offended anyone, sorry, but this list is WAY too opinionated. Things like that just make me mad. Plus, I'm bored, and wanted to argue about SOMETHING.
Andrea - [Takari2002@aol.com]
Sunday, November 10, 2002 03:14:06 PM
IP: 64.12.96.138

Just checking in with a link to 50 Reasons Why FOTR Sucks. Scariest part? How many people might actually agree with this.
Christine - [<---- link of the day]
Sunday, November 10, 2002 02:13:17 PM
IP: 65.239.13.88

Guess that makes me #12 ...
silvadel
Sunday, November 10, 2002 09:53:12 AM
IP: 208.59.247.9

Homework is boring. Hopefully I can finish this last problem soon so I can move on to research paper work.

Warpmind: <<There's a disturbing trend in this CR, methinks>>: Only as disturbing as you make it. <<if that pay-per-view idea of mine was acted upon, wouldn't you pay?>>: Perhaps. I'm known to be a cheapskate. <<Can't you just see me with waist-length hair, and a dashing forelock hanging down in front of one eye?>>: "Dashing" isn't the word I'd use to describe that. <<tobacco costs more than silver over here, and alcohol>>: Woohoo! <<There's a better, more satisfying way. Find a balcony>>: That's not the kind of overthrow they had in mind. <<Back to watching lain>>: Stalker! <<a whole weekend with nothing liquid to sustain me but beer and whisky is going to... well... Monday'd be *interesting*, to say the least>>: No school monday! Woot!

Mooncat: <<had no Internet last night! :: still shivering ::>>: Ack! You poor dear, how did you survive!? <<Which Gargoyles character would you like to be if someone zapped you into the show?>>: Definitely David. No contest.

Scott: <<Apologies for the bedwetting metaphor. Best I could come up with>>: I'm sure GLA will have your head for it.

Gside: <<You do realize that blonds are male, while it is blondes who are female>>: No, I didn't realize that. But now that I do, my answer changes.

41. Once my power is secure, I will destroy all those pesky time-travel devices.

Josh "Imzadi" Wurzel - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, November 10, 2002 03:58:43 AM
IP: 64.165.203.162

...or 11!
Leo
Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:10:52 AM
IP: 68.10.125.229

10!
Leo
Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:08:59 AM
IP: 68.10.125.229

Hyperion- You can have whatever accent you want. Make them walk the plank!

Christine- I guess someone heard you because...oh boy it just doesn't seem to end.

Green Baron- So you really like it over there? What's up with your journal? It doesn't seem to be working.

Winterwolf- In defense of all the California Drivers...oh who am I kidding? Sometimes it just happens. Plus if one would look on a map CA is a bit larger than most states so it just happens a lot more.

Happy Belated Birthday Spacebabie

Well gotta go.
Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:57:08 PM
IP: 172.191.147.94

Number eight again... I think. :: plants a flag ::
Patrick Toman
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:42:48 PM
IP: 67.38.248.227

Top 10, #8?
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:42:45 PM
IP: 204.94.193.58

Imzadi> <<WTF is sugar fluff?>>: Either cotton candy or an idiom.
<<Yes. Yes I would>>: You do realize that blonds are male, while it is blondes who are female.
<<A guy I know once did a rendition of "How many Roads" just by mumbling>>: Right, Dylan.

Warpmind> <>: Congratulations? Did you get anything else I should know about should I ever get around to burning? Oh, and let me know if you want Hellsing or the first bit of One Piece.
<>: It gave me stripes.
<<curious, punnish minds>>: And you have nothing to say about my Lovedaw mp3?

7th.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:31:04 PM
IP: 165.230.240.116

SEX!

Um, I mean...nevermind.
Josh
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:27:55 PM
IP: 64.165.203.162

Andrea, you are third *^_~* That makes me 4th.

Claiming the 4th in the name of the Fay!

MC
Mooncat
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:26:24 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Buffy > Todd: I've wondered the same thing about Willow. The problem with Willow being a lesbian is that you're able to say, "Well, she wasn't *always* a lesbian! She just sort of became one!" I know a lot of people that are of the opinion that people simply are or aren't, that people don't just "become" gay or straight or what have you. My own personal opinion is that people are whatever the hell they are inclined to be at any given moment. That doesn't mean that people waver back and forth between sexual orientations. It just means that people grow and change, and hopefully learn things about themselves. At one point, Willow was straight. Now she's not. I wouldn't call her bi, because she doesn't seem to have any interest in dating men anymore. To call her bi just because she had a boyfriend in high school and college... Well, isn't that sort of like calling someone a bedwetter just because he used to wet the bed when he was a child? He doesn't anymore. So he's not.

So I'm of the opinion that Willow isn't bi.

At the moment.

Apologies for the bedwetting metaphor. Best I could come up with.
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@lycos.com]
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:25:17 PM
IP: 68.50.37.201

5th?

Mooncat
Mooncat
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:25:11 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

4th! Yeah!
Andrea - [Takari2002@aol.com]
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:17:58 PM
IP: 205.188.208.9

Robby-san! *jumps on him!*
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:16:24 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Top ten.
Robby
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:14:35 PM
IP: 64.12.96.138

Top Ten!

1st!!!!!!!
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Saturday, November 9, 2002 11:13:39 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20