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MC > LOL! Funny testimonial. I'm still not gonna buy a Mac, though. ;)
Patrick Toman
Saturday, December 14, 2002 04:38:53 PM
IP: 67.38.241.175

Switch to the Darkside.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
< Make the Switch!
Saturday, December 14, 2002 03:22:06 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

*Warpmind strolls in, looking tired, but happy.*
Ye Untolde Hours of playing The Legend of Dragoon... I like that game, even though I've only seen it for the PS1 so far... And it was a b!tch figuring out how to set the framerate down to 20 for an evenly-running game, as opposed to the 300-350 FPS my computer insisted on... A game with speech should NOT run at ten to fifteen times its ideal speed...

Anyway, there's been a little too much serious talk about Faith here for my liking, so here are a few interesting concepts:

Who do atheists invoke when they hit their thumb with a hammer?

How would a Fundamentalistic Buddhist behave?

Is there a point to it all, besides 42?

That's all for now - I'm getting back to the game. Just needed to let you all know I'm alive yet.

"Sir! There's been an important change in the civil war we're fighting!"
"Oh, really? Are we suddenly winning?"
"Uh, no, sir. More like the civil war decided to become UNcivil..."
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmindATtiscaliDOTno]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Saturday, December 14, 2002 02:48:07 PM
IP: 213.142.68.183

Another Saturday of working down in Kosovo.

Hyperion> An interesting way to view it. I wonder what Ayn Rand would say about that.

<<My personal favorite was a evangelical merchant trying to (loudly) drum up business by reciting Bible verses.>> Did he have the classic drawl? I have trouble imagining someone preaching on a street corner without the trademark preacher drawl :)

<<You get a free Islamic conversion kit with your donation. Included is a Qur'an, a prayer rug, a compass that points to Mecca, three grenades and list of every author that's been sentenced to death by various Muslim regimes.>> How about 4 mail order brides from the Middle East? Well, at least from Turkey. The women I saw in Istanbul were very beautiful. I'd love to form a relationship with my hostess there, but she smoked :(

Speaking of religion and women, I once joked about becoming a Mormon since Mormon women tend to eb very attractive and I can have as many of them as I want ;)

Lain> <<interestingly.. i always seem to get money BACK from my income tax.. even though i dont actually PAY anything.. o.O >>
That's cause they want to reward you for being po'. In the US we do that so po people can buy their drugs :p

Once you move up the financial ladder, I bet it will change. I imagine your dad pays plenty, but he probably enjoys paying it to the Government toilet. Well, Canada may be more efficient with its money than the US.

<<but as for butt freezing.. yeah.. hes gonna get some o dat action..>> I bet you'll give him action, though you have to wait until January 1 to use the shack in Newfoundland :D

<<gggggRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrr...>> You look so cute when you get all righteous and indignant ;) I think I'll go out an opress some locals tonight :)

Shinigami> <<Geez, can't this room go a few weeks without someone threatening to leave.>> I wish it wouldn't, but it seems like this will happen continuously.

Godiva> <<I’ve always wondered about that. I went to a Catholic high school and we were required to have a Catholic bible. Why are there more books in the Catholic bible?>> There are about six books in the Old Testament called the Septuagint. The books were written in Greek not Hebrew and Luther felt that they were not divinely inspired so he put them in an apocraphya section of the Old Testament. Later Protestants took them out of their Bible completely. The books were in there back when the Council of Nicea determined which books composed the Bible for the Christians as Christianity began to develop order, become a legal faith, instead of a cult, which it was up until Nicea.

The boosk Luther took out also justified Purgatory which Luther decided didn't exist, because of the sale of indulgences, a practice long since eliminated.

<<And like I told Josh and Gunjack, it looks like I failed miserably in doing so.>> Well, I doubt I could convert Lain if I donned a green robe, took on the name Tommy Toorquemada, and used kinky torture devices (yes that is a tasteless joke). To explain is best done diplomatically. But ultimately when it comes to conversion, its best to find someone with a curious and an openess. Then you have to be careful in doing it right. My method is providing materials on Catholicism, with lost fo Q&A.

<<As you can see, my family is pretty f’ed up. ;-)>> Nah, that's normal in America, excpet youc na throw in more faiths. My grandfather was an Episcoapalian and he married a French Catholic (New Orleans born), so most of my father's Scottish family is Episcopalian. My mother's side is almost all Catholic so religion sin't an issue, excpet there are different stances, like I am traditional while my mother is progressive (the Jesuits corrupted her).

<<Don’t give up on her. Pray for her>> One day, I hope I can. Now, I still am bitetr and resentful. I reconcield with my father. One day I will with my mother, I hope. But for now, I can't unless I am being ingenuine.

<<The idea of Clinton in heaven is just…odd.>> God would have to keep him at least an acre away from the Virgin Mary at all times :)

<<If they accept Jesus, then they’ll be able to go to heaven.>> Well, if that also means they repent then yes, but of course, there's Purgatory, at least that's what I believe.

<<And he is absolutely right. My grandma was a very beautiful woman.>> Like Marie Leaveau beautiful?

<<Unless you have an evil twin who likes to post as you. ;-)>> He is the evil twin :)

<<The bible doesn’t say (at least from what I’ve read) what happens to them after they give birth to their sons by their father.>> I think their offspring sired two great enemies of Israel, or their sons founded Mississippi and West Virginia :)

DPH> <<Or the dudes writing the New Testament either, if you believe that. Read Paul's writings. You do realize that if god created other families, every one of those members would have had to have sinned.>> They were denied Eden and all. Besides, the other people created would have sinned at some time. It's human nature.

As for the New Testament, science as we know it woudl still be regarded as sorcerous at that time. I doubt St. Paul would understand about genetics and inbreeding, anymore than the ancient Israelites would understand the word trichinosis. It doesn't take anything away from St. Paul.

<<Yea, it drove me nuts that Hispanics would name their child "Jesus". >> Its a cultural thing like Catholics naming their daughters Mary Elizabeth, though Jesus is much higher on the scale than Mary. I doubt they see it as disrespectful.

<<Don't you know they have to have future leaders? Hehe.>> True and if Arafat can afford to send his sons overseas, he should eb able to afford a decent barber and soem new towels :)

Gside> <<But for that, we're not sure how much they truly believed.>> Good point, Puzo's The Family portrays Cesare Borgia as an atheist and Alexander VI as one of those poeple that are religious in their own way, not a Pope who tries to follow Jesus' example.

Imzadi> <<Does that mean you'll kill her soon? Or the other way around?>> No. I'm not likely to kill someone, unless I have to. Getting away from her and joining the Army was one of the best decisions I ever made, though.

<<No comment.>> Come on. You know you want to :p

<<Conversely, he doesn't have to do anything himself.>> and he gets more money if he reproduces.

Bud-Clare> <> Only on paper.

<> I bet. I imagine most people in your area are Catholic, too. I bet my buddy from Oxford woudl find that amusing. He's the one I call Elmo.

Hyperion> <<$10.95 (US) with five proofs of purchase from packages of the new "Arafat Candy" for sale in Palestine will work.>> They have Arafat potato chips with broken promises :)

DPH> <<I'm not sure all of the brands who claim to be Christian are actually Christian. I wouldn't mind a minimal litmus applied to all churches before they could call themselves Christian churches.>> Minimal litmus test....Trinity, Jesus as Savior, Virgin Birth. That still laves a ton of them. Most differences are over minor things and some big discrepancies are pointless, like the Eucharist. I'll never understand Lutehr's argumnet over atechnicality in that. The Eucharist was not related to the corruption issues.

Guardian> That will still be a while. Kellie Fay worte a story about that but she isn't on TGS's staff. It as quiet good.

Lady Mystic> Thanks for the update. I know Heather will be relieved I updated one part of my profile, in case it caused any suspicions.

Tony Elliot> Chesterton was a contemporary of Lewis and Tolkein. Like Tolkien he was a Catholic, but he was an Anglican convert, not a cradle Catholic.

As for Imzadi, Lain, Raveness, and Godiva, people can be very passionate about their beliefs and it can have consequences. I can get upset over certain thinsg and I try to control, but I don't always succeed.

I try to keep my outbursts small and I try not to hold a grudge. I got upset with Gunjack a few days ago, but I stil value him as a friend, same with DPH, even when I burn them at the stake for heresy j/k ;)

Imzadi> Isn't there a word in-between belief and fact? But yes I'd say my faith consists of my beliefs and while I consider them true, proving them is impossible.

<> Not necessarily. There are still people who believe that the moon landing is a hoax.

Spacebabie> Then I'll let you and Revel have your privacy ;)

Hyperion> <<If I have to I'll head down to Arizona, be warm, and take potshots at illegals running the boarder from my back porch.>> But they work for cheap. Let's spare the women, at least :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Saturday, December 14, 2002 01:33:34 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

uh-ha! I did not squander free time last night and got a good night's sleep. All is well and right with the world, except the pen-stylus combo that I bought for my PDA doesn't fit. I will be returning the fiendish device at the earliest possible opportunity.

Josh><no cookie.>Aww...but I like cookies! Besides I wasn't trying to make a solid argument, just succinctly state my opinion on the topic. Anyway, dictator's aren’t accountable to the populace, the President is, so the logic holds.
<What is that from, anyway> Swedish Chef; The Muppet Show
<like having their dibs called> Only because she doesn’t know me...yet...
<then wouldn't everyone agree on it>Assuming that everyone was operating from the same objective set of facts yes. The difficulty arises when people are working with different facts, or influenced by emotion. Like some people that are all for late-term abortions and totally opposed to the death penalty. I'm still trying to puzzle that out.
<You could come to CA> I have every intention of staying out of the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia. If I have to I'll head down to Arizona, be warm, and take potshots at illegals running the boarder from my back porch.

lain><you can DEFINATELY stay> Excellent I'll be dropping by to stay in about 8 months. If it gets to nine or ten months, though, you and I are going to have a talk. I dislike chicks with stretch marks.
<dating christian-boy>How does that conflict with the macerana? I mean, if Gunjack starts doing the macerana will he annihilate, turning completely into energy vis a vis E=MC^2? I think I'd pay to see that, from at least one minimum safe distance, of course.
<how do i tell when hes done> A good rule of thumb is when there is a pause in the action, followed by a contented sigh and full body relaxation. I'm sure you've got all kinds of internal sensors that will help you out there too.
<do i stick a fork in him> You could, but I doubt the juices will be clear unless he's on some kind of contraceptive, or poultry :-D You could always use one of those meat thermometers...
<man im in an evil mood tonight> hmm...evil lain....interesting <plot,plot,plot>

Bud-Claire> Depends. If you live alone and there's a water buffalo carcass stripped of all meat on your counter, the answer is yes.

And on a totally unrelated note, how the hell did “Games Without Frontiers” get on this playlist? Either someone’s been mucking about with this machine or I’m a fool.
Ahh…”Original Sin”. Much better. And appropriate given my current ambient mood.
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"Believe me, Vir, if you knew her as I do, you wouldn't miss her a bit."
"Oh, Timov, Timov. Why do you always try to draw me into your little verbal fencing matches?"
"Because I don't have a real sword handy."
Hyperion
Saturday, December 14, 2002 01:19:09 PM
IP: 151.199.240.18

MGC pic is done, next I draw another Snape pic for Crzy and then *gulp* try an attempt at a scene from "Demon whispers" for Christine
I am so glad I stayed out of the religious debate.

Thursday sucked. I woke up with a friggin migraine that made me sympatize with Zeus. After some painkillers and a nap I became hyper…

Today I received a pop tart related burn
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Good lord is Luka Screwing up or what? He had become the Croatian Doug Ross
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Replies:
Mooncat<<<Isn't Lain female?>>>If Lain isn’t then Gunjack is in for one large surprise.

Hyperion<<<Source? Or do you need a new tinfoil hat?>>>He do not dis the protective power of the tin foil hat…besides they look great on Joaquin Phoenix

Greg X. Okay you got your conspiracy theories and I have mine…like the fact the democrats want the poor people to stay poor((They did come up with the IRS and income tax)))Why? Cause who else are the poor people going to vote for?<<<My ideal president, besides me, would have to be Rudy Giulianni.>>>I’d vote for him<<<Sorry for the double post>>>Kind of funny that you posted that twice.

Firestorn<<<She's lucky>>>Candy as in chocolate, Jolly ranchers, butterscot, caramel and twizzers…oooh and M&Ms w/ crispy centers.<<<Yes to both>>> You are evil. I salute you.

Gside<<<Mmm, nice imagery.>>>I got attacked but I won the battle.<<<No, I said Takahashi, not Takeuchi.>>>eep. Well the words Male Amazon bish just trigger that image.<<<General Issue Joseph.>>>I couldn’t resist.

Josh<<<I'm not even doing that much for wood design.>>>Do you need some blue pills?<<<What do they do for you?>>>Well Vixen gives me facials and Charisma gives me massages.<<<And you liked it, didn't you? >>>No I couldn’t walk.<<>>It’s shiny and silver? :::Goes to cut up a mouse:::<<<That doesn't make someone a criminal.>>>Students that take guns to school are not criminals?<<<Don't make me come over there>>>I might like that.<<<Yeah but you have old people and rednecks.>>>That would be my parents…Dad is old and my Mom is a redneck.<<<Tomorrow morning is wood design >>>You design morning wood? Or wood in the morning?

Green Baron<<<Who else is rooming with us?>>>If Revel comes to the Gathering.

Godiva<<<What kind??>>>>Pepperidge Farm

DPH<<<Yet, you will fail.>>>Some of us are developing a virus.

Gunjack<<<I'm heading off to persue a longstanding relationship with a certian spunky Canadian>>>Still why the hell would you want to go up there??? She should come down here.. Her father is still in Canada.

Tony Elliot<<<what else is part of your atheist faith?>>>Um isn’t that an oxy moron? Atheist faith??? It can’t be a faith cause they don’t believe in anything.

9. “Don’t be afraid to take big steps. You can’t cross a chasm in two small steps.” ~David Lloyd George

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando , Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:17:43 PM
IP: 67.25.54.139

Wood design was ridiculously easy. He gave us two of the same problems he gave us on previous midterms (and we had our midterms with us), and the rest of the problems were multiple choice. Since it was mostly copying my old writing and looking up values, I finished in half the time. Can't imagine what everyone else was doing.

Structural analysis was hard, but I think I punched through it. Having 3 hours for an exam really gives you a chance to think everything through and do it the long way. I have earned the title "Raider of the Lost Q" because the prof had a problem that asked us to solve for Q. He didn't think we'd be able to do the problem so he said "if you solve this, you earn the title Raider of the Lost Q". I solved it and wrote "I am the Raider of the Lost Q" on the bottom of the page. He laughed.

Bud-Clare: <<maybe their intestines just need flossing>>: Lovely image. <<What, does he card them?>>: No, I just meant young-looking. <<If Fred's religion believes in A, B, C, and D, and... George's (I couldn't help it) religion believes in C, D, E, and F, the "truth" might be C, D, G, and H>>: In which case they're both partially wrong 8-) <<this has what to do with me?>>: I've forgotten, and I'm too lazy to follow the thread back. <<Catholics are the ones that he has the most trouble getting to pay their bills>>: Why is that? <<Mercy buckets?>>: Thank you muchly.

Hyperion: <>: I feel your pain, dude. <<must not squander>>: And where would the fun be in that? <<does anyone really think that he'd kill 3000+ people, send the economy further into a downward spiral and have to shell out a few million, not to mention the ongoing problems with the companies that insured the WTC, just to make a few bucks?>>: Bad logic, no cookie. Dictators often do far worse. <<oft maligned mattress macerana>>: Now that is a scary thought. <<less said about the mattress hand jive>>: I don't even want to know. <<bork! bork>>: What is that from, anyway? <<Whoops!>>: LOL! <<let me know when you're done, I call next dibs>>: I don't think independent hippy chicks like Lain like having their dibs called. <<While I can't say I agree with your opinion, it's definitely worth thinking about>>: I can't say I agree with it either. I just know that it doesn't make sense to me. I mean, if something were objectively wrong (in the same way that 1+1=3 is wrong), then wouldn't everyone agree on it? And if not, is anyone who doesn't agree a sociopath (is that the definition of sociopath)? Sounds kind of like "believe in MY religion or you go to hell". <<Ah, finally, I'm warm>>: You could come to CA. <<that afterlife could be tailored to each individual belief system>>: That would be great. Then I could rot when I die instead of hanging out with billions of losers 8-)

Gside: <<Wait, did I want to say that>>: That depends. Are you into it? <>: I would too, if I had any. <>: What do you use? <<It's divine>>: That and its fun to play with.

DPH: <<I would want to know WHY the promotion was turned down. Essentially, you could have moles placed in your organization who won't take promotions just because the promotion would put the person under greater scrutiny>>: And they could lie when asked. <<how long do you plan on making your rules? Do you have enough material to get to number 1000?>>: You'll see when they're finished.

Guardian: No.

Lain: <<how do i tell when hes done?>>: You must both be virgins still... <<the poor boy will have to wear it mwa hahahaha... CAUSE I MADE IT>>: Only if he's a whipped sucker.

Tony Elliot: <<does that mean you believe that there is no God / higher power / supreme being>>: yeah pretty much. <<what else is part of your atheist faith?>>: That's about it. It's what defines atheism. <<it must be challenging>>: Not really. The only place it ever comes up is in here. <<it seems that regardless of the specifics of your beliefs, you hate Christians; is this true?>>: Nope. I hate anyone who I consider to be blindly faithful. Blind following of *anything* is not good. Christians just seem to be the most guilty of it. <<why not hate all other religions equally as much, Islam, Hinduism, Native American faiths, etc?>>: Mostly because they don't harass me with silly beliefs that make no sense and then dodge the questions I ask by turning them back on me or switching the language around. <<why didn’t God just make it a clear fact that he exits? Well, he did many times>>: Yet he hasn't once done it in a manner that couldn't easily be explained away with a magic trick. <>: And this is why I hate Christians. They are so certain of the "truth" that they claim their beliefs as facts. As someone who places their faith in science, I can say where the limit of my knowledge is. But not a Christian, no. They *know* god exists. They *know* that every word in *their* version of the bible (out of 400 versions) is true. When really, YOU DON'T KNOW $#!7. You're just to ignorant to even know that you don't know. God may have proven his existence to you, but that doesn't stop it from being a belief, since obviously not everyone agrees with you.

And now to sleep, because I HAVE NO WORK TOMORROW! (that's the first time in a year I've been able to say that!)

73. I will not agree to let the heroes go free if they win a rigged contest, even though my advisors assure me it is impossible for them to win.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, December 14, 2002 05:19:32 AM
IP: 64.160.47.251

Green Baron |:- 
Interesting. I haven’t thought about it too much until I read your post tonight. If you bear in mind that Genesis was written by Moses, and what we would have seen while on the Mountain was basically a vision or vivid dream, how literally could Moses convey what he saw into scripture?


I may have read something similar to that from CS Lewis and regurgitated it, but it’s not a direct quote. No, I’m not familiar with GK Chesterton.

<<me - What ever happened artists that wrote their own lyrics and music?>>
There is a great show on NPR called “World Café” that has lots of good artists. They make music for the sake of making music, not to sell as many albums as possible to the largest and broadest demographic.
If your into straight ahead Jazz – Patricia Barber, Gary Burton.
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Josh & Lain |:-
Your atheists, right? If I may ask, does that mean you believe that there is no God / higher power / supreme being; and what else is part of your atheist faith? I respect the atheistic faith and why people would choose it. What I do know about atheists is that they are disagreeing with the vast majority of the rest of the world by saying there is no God, and it must be challenging. Also, it seems that regardless of the specifics of your beliefs, you hate Christians; is this true? You seem to give Godvia and Ravenes a pretty hard time. Assuming yes, why not hate all other religions equally as much, Islam, Hinduism, Native American faiths, etc?
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lain "bad kitty" iwakura |:- <if everyone could just say "i believe this" instead of "i know this" … the point with "faith" is that it is, and should always be FAITH. not fact. if you call it fact, you negate the whole point of it ... why cant people just admit to having beliefs, instead of always arguing about "facts" that remain unproven? >
Touché . You make a good point.
< …admit to having beliefs…>
I have my faith in Jesus. I know he exists. But it’s the faith that counts. You may ask why didn’t God just make it a clear fact that he exits? Well, he did many times. The best example of this is in Exodus. To make a long story short the Israelites knew that God existed because of the pillar of fire, separation of the Red Sea, various plagues on the Egyptians, etc. When Israelites were in the desert and Moses was on the mountain for 40 days, they gave up faith in God! They built an idol of a Cow. Knowledge of facts does not mean anything on a spiritual level, only faith does. Even if I could convince you of God existence and sovereignty, I could not argue you into Faith.
< …about "facts" that remain unproven?>
That’s a good point. What is a proven fact? Ninety nine percent of everything we learn is from accepting 2nd hand information about something someone else has witnessed. I don’t know for a fact that World War II ever happened. I was not there. I did not see or experience the fighting. BUT, I do believe it happened. Yes, there is strong evidence to reinforce my BELIEF in WWII; things like pictures, movies, and boatloads of testimonials. But lets back up to the time of Napoleon. Once again I believe that the guy did his stuff. But there is much less hard evidence to support this, like pictures and movies. So what defines a fact and a belief? A fact must then be something that only the people who observed first hand some event (history, politics, science, etc); and when conveying the knowledge of this fact to someone else, the fact now becomes a belief.
{my point, finally} Since most of what we know is based on beliefs, we often will move those “beliefs” up to “facts” when we feel we have seen enough evidence to support the validity of that belief. I have moved my “belief” in WWII and Napoleon to a “fact”. I have also moved my faith in Jesus and my belief in the Bible and its teachings from mere “beliefs” to “facts”. I have seen enough evidence that God exits to know it for a fact.

<uuuh.. *looks down shirt* good GAWD!!! say it AINT SO!!!!! so THATS what these things are for... ;) >
LOL!
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Hyperion |:- <Right, but does anyone really think that he'd kill 3000+ people, send the economy further into a downward spiral and have to shell out a few million, not to mention the ongoing problems with the companies that insured the WTC, just to make a few bucks?>
Finally, someone says something smart about the whole Bush behind 9/11 thread.
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Nemisis
I liked it more than Generations or First Contact. It was similar to Kahn, but not quite. This movie was done with more of a Star Wars feel but in the Trek universe… a good combo. What will Data getting (so I don’t spoil it, but you’ll know what I mean when you see the movie) down syndrome do to the ST:TNG book series?

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI
Saturday, December 14, 2002 04:19:57 AM
IP: 65.29.134.202

***** TGS CR MEMBER INFO UPDATE *****

Two TGS CR Information updates in one week! WOW!!! ;)

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Lady Mystic - [<-- CR Member Page !!!]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Saturday, December 14, 2002 04:13:23 AM
IP: 66.72.186.61

hyperion>> <<Whoops! Tactical error! Hard to port; dive! dive! AWOOOOOGHA!>> *tries to sit up, wiping tears from eyes.. maintains an instant of serenity.. they collapses again in fits of helpless laughter* you can DEFINATELY stay!!! :D :D so when are you visiting? ;) <<Damn right., not only can I mattress mambo, but tango and rumba. I can even do the oft maligned mattress macerana>> oooOOOOooooo... macarena.. well.. im dating gunjack so.. no macarena for me :( (thats what you get for dating christian-boy *sigh*) <<It was sweedish: What de fook; bork! bork!>> *busts up laughing again* <<hmm...only six months..>> actually.. more like eight :D <<let me know when you're done>> when.. when hes DONE?! how do i tell when hes done? do i stick a fork in him??
mmm.. fork..
*koff*
nevermind..

he heheheheheeeeeeeee.. hell be here in 16 houuuuurs!!!!! :D

i knit him the dorkiest hat hee hee.. and the poor boy will have to wear it mwa hahahaha... CAUSE I MADE IT!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
man im in an evil mood tonight ;)
lain
Saturday, December 14, 2002 03:15:40 AM
IP: 65.93.72.16

*****Nemesis spoiler cont'd.*******
In my opinion: Tried too hard to duplicate "Wrath of Kahn"

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Leo
Saturday, December 14, 2002 03:05:02 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Guardian - Apply some common sense. Aside from Timedancer Season 4, no stories have been released after 9-11-2001. Therefore, it would be impossible for existing stories to have dealt with events of that day. Furthermore, the Gargoyles Season 3 Finale "Unions" dealt with events in late November 1999.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 14, 2002 02:51:20 AM
IP: 204.94.193.16

******StarTrek Nemesis Spoiler Warning*******

Some may be VERY disapointed with this one.
I anticipate hate mail from Trek fans.

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Leo
Saturday, December 14, 2002 02:31:40 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

I'm feeling strangely groggy right now. I wonder if I just ate too much.

Gside> <<Mercy buckets. I liked the synonyms, though I probably should have come up with one for breaking.>>
...Mercy buckets?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, December 14, 2002 01:03:10 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

*hem* Pardon my for interrupting the current conversations, but if I could please have a moment of your time to ask this question?

I'd like to know if the Gargoyles Saga writers decided to incorporate the events of 9-11 into any of the episodes. If such was done, if I could please have the URL to said story(ies) I'd be most appreciative.

Thank you for your time.
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:39:22 AM
IP: 64.169.107.231

Hyperion - <Right, but does anyone really think that he'd kill 3000+ people, send the economy further into a downward spiral and have to shell out a few million, not to mention the ongoing problems with the companies that insured the WTC, just to make a few bucks?> Nope, because the potential return would not be high enough to off-set the risk. There's no way the current president could really start buying stocks while they're at the all-time low without setting off quite a few alarms or have conviently sold certain stocks just before 9-11-2001 without setting off quite a few alarms.

Imzadi - <Nothing.> Wrong answer. I would want to know WHY the promotion was turned down. Essentially, you could have moles placed in your organization who won't take promotions just because the promotion would put the person under greater scrutiny. <Not a bad idea.> Teams of 2 are always taken down in the movies. But with 3 people, somebody is alos watching the other 2 people's backs. <Sheesh, don't you watch movies?> No, I don't believe half the stuff. <Its the people who take the bible as the literal and complete truth that I'm questioning.> If the bible is not completely accurate and nobody knows which parts are accurate, it should be completely ignored. BTW, how long do you plan on making your rules? Do you have enough material to get to number 1000?

Bud-Clare - <Watching Christians bicker is like going to see a movie or something, except that it's free.> Some of the arguments are rather pointless to me when there are bigger issues to be resolved.

Green Baron - <It helps when there are about 10,000 brands of Christianity and some are so different, its amazing they're under the same umbrella.> I'm not sure all of the brands who claim to be Christian are actually Christian. I wouldn't mind a minimal litmus applied to all churches before they could call themselves Christian churches.

1+1=9
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:19:34 AM
IP: 204.94.193.66

Imzadi> <>: Yes, I am. Wait, did I want to say that?
<<Thank goodness for small favors>>: But then there's no one to get help. And it's even worse if you've started decomposing by the time you're discovered.
<<Done in 21 hours>>: I enjoy the downtime.
<<do you really want to sing along?>>: Yes. I am a nerd, remember.
<<Yes, that too>>: And oh so much more.

Bud Clare> <<maybe their intestines just need flossing>>: I make it a point to floss mine at least once a month.
<>: Then pick a side whose points strike a chord in this aspect, and haul out the napalm.
<<Maybe he hadn't spent enough time around other people that day>>: He averages groups of 30 on 40 minute rotations, and I don't think it was very early in the day.
<<*snickers*>>: Thank you.
<>: Mercy buckets. I liked the synonyms, though I probably should have come up with one for breaking.
<<What's so great about drilling equipment?>>: It's divine. For more information, see subgenius.com

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, December 13, 2002 11:33:13 PM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Madre de dios; I hate my schedule. Need more sleep...now!
<sigh> Fortunately I have off from one of my jobs tonight, this is a good thing, as long as I don't squander it on videogames.
Memo to self: must not squander

DPH><motivated to serve the American people>Right, but does anyone really think that he'd kill 3000+ people, send the economy further into a downward spiral and have to shell out a few million, not to mention the ongoing problems with the companies that insured the WTC, just to make a few bucks? I'm pretty sure with all the authority granted to the president he could tell the Treasury department to ship one of printing presses over to the West Wing and just make the damn stuff.

lain><das what im talkin aboot!> Damn right., not only can I mattress mambo, but tango and rumba. I can even do the oft maligned mattress macerana. And the less said about the mattress hand jive, the better. ;-)
<good man> Dankeschon
What de fook?>> LOL!> It was sweedish: What de fook; bork! bork!

Gunjack Valentine><specifically the one you're hitting on>Whoops! Tactical error! Hard to port; dive! dive! AWOOOOOGHA!
hmm...only six months...let me know when you're done, I call next dibs. :-D
*exhibits self control and does not comment on being "behind" anything*

Josh> $10.95 (US) with five proofs of purchase from packages of the new "Arafat Candy" for sale in Palestine will work.
<Objective right and wrong> interesting; I've just never met a moral relativist before. While I can't say I agree with your opinion, it's definitely worth thinking about.
<Somewhere else> In development actually. I shall have to get in on the clinical trials for that one.
<And nuclear winter> Nah. I like the heat. Hopefully I'll go out in the initial fireball, probably thinking "Ah, finally, I'm warm..."
<If your religion says there is no hell and mine says there is, then one of us must be right> Or, conversely, that afterlife could be tailored to each individual belief system.

Bud-Clare><That's why it's fun>Depends, every time I think of "Ozzie" I keep having "Crazy Train" and "Howl at the Moon" run through my head.
 Bastards! You blew it all up! Damn dirty apes!
Hyperion
Friday, December 13, 2002 04:12:44 PM
IP: 151.199.240.73

Josh> <>
Nah, maybe their intestines just need flossing.

<<Yeah, my dad is blatantly bigoted against black males aged 14-23.>>
*L* What, does he card them?

<<Yes there is, if they directly contradict each other. If your religion says there is no hell and mine says there is, then one of us must be right.>>
A) Hell could easily be metaphorical, which would give you a lot of room to maneuver, and B)if a religion is, say, 75% right, the belief in hell could easily be in the other 25%.
If Fred's religion believes in A, B, C, and D, and... George's (I couldn't help it) religion believes in C, D, E, and F, the "truth" might be C, D, G, and H.

<<You = Christians, us = atheists.>>
But this has what to do with me?

<<And Leo.>>
Leo has yet to appear on my radar...

Thomas> <<Or maybe He created other families and didn't tell that to the dudes writing Genesis.>>
Shame on you, using logic. ;)

<<It helps when there are about 10,000 brands of Christianity and some are so different, its amazing they're under the same umbrella.>>
*L* Watching Christians bicker is like going to see a movie or something, except that it's free. ;)

<<Afterall, Clinton is religious and all, but _him_ in Heaven ::snicker:: I know I shouldn't judge, but....bwahahaha >>
You're not judging, you're just laughing. Nothing wrong with laughing. ;)

<<Yet I think a survey was done showing Jews to be one of the most charitable and generous groups in the US.>>
When my mother and I were picking out the headstone, the owner of the place that sells them mentioned that Catholics are the ones that he has the most trouble getting to pay their bills (and he's Catholic). I thought it was kind of amusing.

<<He assumes you're an atheist.>>
I thought that he assumed that I'm Christian.

Hyperion> <<Sheesh, it's like trying to converse with Ozzie and Harriet in here sometimes... :-)>>
That's why it's fun. :)

Lain> <<involving the words "george w bush", "fundamentalist", "red-neck" and "tea-cozy">>
Tea cozy? Dare I ask how that's involved?

<<the thing that really annoys me, thoug (about BOTH atheists and religious people)>>
That's why it's usually best to hang out with people whose beliefs are a mix of several different religions. They're in no position to bother anyone. :)

Godiva> <<Did someone say cookies?? Where? What kind??>>
We've got lots of cookies in the other CR. I guess that the people in this CR just aren't as thoughtful. ;)

Gside> <<Whoever identifies with whichever side.>>
I feel so left out, then. ;)

<<But then sometimes you do the stupidest things when no one else is there. Like my father and the table saw.>>
*L* Maybe he hadn't spent enough time around other people that day, and had to fill his stupidity quota somehow.

<<No, but he's going to have to do some good streatching first if he doesn't want to cramp up.>>
*snickers*

<<Breaking all those matriarchal spines.>>
*L* I can't believe that you thought of that...

<<There is only "Bob" the divine drilling-equipment salesman.>>
Definitely not, then. What's so great about drilling equipment?

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, December 13, 2002 03:08:10 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Bow bow bow...another one bites the dust! Okay, steel design down, two to go. Five problems, 3 hours of suckage. But I think I got them all. Eh, whatever. Even with partial credit I'll still pass that class, having A's on the other 70% of my grade.

Tomorrow morning is wood design followed by structural analysis in the evening. I saw my wood design prof today and he said that the final should be easy for us, and if we ever found ourselves asking "is it really supposed to be this easy" then the answer is yes.

Structural analysis I'm a bit nervous about, though. I do more prep tomorrow afternoon after my morning final, but I don't expect it to be fun. Fortunately, I know that I'm in about the middle of the class, so worst case scenario is that I get a B. And 3 A's and a B is not a bad record (assuming of course that I actually *get* A's in steel and wood).

Green Baron: <<Right now, being sent to Iraq sounds nice and warm to me>>: You have fun there. I'll send you a nice warm preemptive nuke. <<litanies of Helen Keller jokes while watching The Miracle Worker>>: That's the best time to do it. <<You still want to room with me, right?>>: The products of that union are to hideous to fathom. <>: I don't do charity unless I get a tax deduction. <>: No thanks. One set of online journals is enough. <>: They're similar. Confirmation is the culmination of the next level of jewish training. <>: If you count the emotionally painful process known as puberty, then yes ;-) <<maybe He created other families and didn't tell that to the dudes writing Genesis>>: That I would believe. Its the people who take the bible as the literal and complete truth that I'm questioning. <>: He goes by the name hey-suse and steals hubcaps from cars. <<Exact same genetic code>>: Even worse. <>: Yes, that would explain my mother (raised in Denver). <<Are you still sore over how often Attila hit on Lexy>>: No, I think he's sore about YOU hitting on Lexy and blaming it on your dead cat. Sicko. <<It will just upset you and he won't give a rat's ass>>: Reminds me of "Never teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig". <>: Does that mean you'll kill her soon? Or the other way around? (I never saw the movie). <<she has no respect for me and thinks of me as a lesser being>>: No comment. <>: Good for the sinuses 8-) <<showing Jews to be one of the most charitable and generous groups in the US>>: of course we are. We have the most money and have the most to benefit by giving it away. <<if we both sat down and read the Bible, we'd have different beleifs, and that is even if we used the same Bible>>: And yet Ravenes is so convinced that it isn't the case. <<A father and daughter had sex in Mississippi (where incest is best) and from that Union came Trent Lott>>: LOL! <<have fun freezing your ass off as your whole paycheck gets converetd into the governemnt doing eveything for you>>: Conversely, he doesn't have to do anything himself. <<He assumes you're an atheist>>: No I don't. <<The rest of the year, they need to be kept in their cages>>: I'd rather have stupid people NOT voting, whether or not they vote with me.

Hyperion: <<You get a free Islamic conversion kit with your donation>>: Eh, I only want the grenades. <<You've been in Berkely too long>>: No, I meant that he wouldn't need to replace it. <<yet, you indicate your displeasure at recent legislation. How do you reconcile the two?>>: Quite easily. I don't believe in objective wrong, yet the recent legislation offends me because it impinges on my liberties. I fail to see the conflict. <<How can you me sure that the "secret court" is bad?>>: I didn't say it was bad. It is, however, in blatant violation of the laws of this country. <<Where's the male contraceptive pill when you need it>>: Somewhere else. <<Yay for Scorched Earth>>: And nuclear winter!

Lain: <<my dad is officially an old geezer... i went to his 60th birthday party last night>>: He'll be dead soon enough 8-) <<im not about to let somebody chomp my ass and have no defense>>: I dunno, some people are into that. <<we aaaaall know christians only EVER want ooone thing>>: More christians! <<das what im talkin aboot>>: Silly beady-eyed canadian. <<THATS what these things are for>>: Pillows.

Godiva: <<The bible doesn’t say (at least from what I’ve read) what happens to them after they give birth to their sons by their father>>: Wouldn't having children by their own father be something terrible? Doesn't sound very pleasant to me. <<It wasn’t fair for me to ask that of you>>: No, it was fair. But it was perfectly fair of me to tell you to shove it, as well ;-) <<Unless you have an evil twin who likes to post as you>>: This world could not handle two of me. <<Why are there more books in the Catholic bible?>>: Because they keep adding stuff to justify their existence.

DPH: <<You do realize that if god created other families, every one of those members would have had to have sinned>>: Oh yeah! Otherwise everyone wouldn't necessarily be born with original sin. <<what would you do if somebody refuses a promotion?>>: Nothing. <<if one disappears you can still have somebody vouch that said security guard is who he/she says she/he is>>: Not a bad idea. <<Confine pregnant women when they get so far along to a hospital?>>: Sure, why not. I can also ban midwives 8-) <<That affects your security how?>>: It prevents wild wolf-children from somehow growing up with supernatural wolf-powers and overthrowing me. Sheesh, don't you watch movies?

Gside: <<sometimes you do the stupidest things when no one else is there>>: Thank goodness for small favors. <<Monday, Thursday, Friday>>: Done in 21 hours. Er, not that I'm counting. <<pi can make replacement lyrics to any song>>: Perhaps, but do you really want to sing along? <<bouncies>>: Yes, that too.

72. If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional weapon instead of using my unstoppable superweapon on them.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, December 13, 2002 01:50:52 AM
IP: 64.160.47.251

Bud Clare> <<Who exactly is "you" and "us"?>>: Whoever identifies with whichever side.
<<But human intelligence is inversely proportional to the number of people in the room>>: But then sometimes you do the stupidest things when no one else is there. Like my father and the table saw.
<<Are you going to make her sleep on the floor?>>: No, but he's going to have to do some good streatching first if he doesn't want to cramp up.

Imzadi> <<I'm just that lucky and all my finals take place on thursday and friday>>: Ha. Monday, Thursday, Friday.
<<What do they do for you?>>: Lick peanut butter elsewhere.
<<more like 3.1415926535>>: It has been theorized that pi can make replacement lyrics to any song.
<<Only a loser would watch movies on their computer anyway>>: Most of my stuff is less than half an hour, and some is unavailable in America otherwise.
<<And those sidewalks are just the worst-behaved>>: Breaking all those matriarchal spines.

Green Baron> <<Maybe she was referring to Bob Dole, master of the pen grip>>: There is only "Bob" the divine drilling-equipment salesman.
<>: But for that, we're not sure how much they truly believed.
<<I'm impressed to see you in the debate as you ussually don't get into them>>: I try not to, but this time I was working mostly from the angle of physical possibilities.

Lain> <<so THATS what these things are for>>: Mmm, boucies.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, December 13, 2002 01:45:38 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Hyperion><<Plenty of time. Make sure you have massage oil and er...other stuff...>> *Cocks an eyebrow, and two pistols* ...Hola hola? Say again, mis amigo? Perhaps I don't hear so good this day.
<<Where are you off to?>> *Chuckles, and uncocks the pistols*
Man, are YOU ever behind. I'm heading off to persue a longstanding relationship with a certian spunky Canadian, specifically the one you're hitting on. 8 D
Gunjack "Heh" Valentine
Friday, December 13, 2002 01:03:26 AM
IP: 192.133.129.164

godiva>> <<That’s Ravenes, not me>> it was both of you. you were both trying equally hard to get me to believe what you wanted. youre not exactly innocent of the charge. <<It ain’t easy being a Christian, let me tell ya>> nor should it be, i thought that was the point... <<Believe it or not, I really didn’t want to post it here>> it was your choice. if you didnt want to, why did you? <> why? what is/was the point of that? to make her feel bad? youll excuse me for saying that doesnt seem very "christian" to me. <<I’m not going to go behind someone’s back and have another person help me gang up on you to convince that you’re wrong and I’m right>> but youll take private email correspondance and blast it all over a public forum.. im not sure if thats better, or worse. <<All I was trying to do was answer her questions>> even you must admit thats not *precisely* true. to be able to answer a question, you must first listen to whats being asked, instead of going on a tirade about how you know everything and everyone else is "WRONG!"
i perceive that you have been dishonest with me, and with raveness. and i think you owe her an apology, too. its not that i dont find her comments disturbing (because i do).. but i find what you (as a "christian") did with her action, honesty to and trust in you, even MORE worrying. at least raveness' heart was in the right place.

hyperion>> <<both>> WOOHOO!!!! das what im talkin aboot! ;) <<Where are you off to>> my house! WOOT! <> good man. <<*Looks at email posted* What de fook?>> LOL!

mooncat>> <<Isn't Lain female? :: blinks ::>> uuuh.. *looks down shirt* good GAWD!!! say it AINT SO!!!!! so THATS what these things are for... ;)

lain
Friday, December 13, 2002 12:56:48 AM
IP: 65.93.72.196

Time for my once a week catch up post.

For those of you wondering what I have been up to, well, my last TGS announcement should clarify it.

Lain - <my dad is officially an old geezer... i went to his 60th birthday party last night> My dad is almost that old. BTW, get well soon. < the christians really ARE after me> Not all of them are.

Green Baron - <Or maybe He created other families and didn't tell that to the dudes writing Genesis.> Or the dudes writing the New Testament either, if you believe that. Read Paul's writings. You do realize that if god created other families, every one of those members would have had to have sinned. Yea, it drove me nuts that Hispanics would name their child "Jesus". <after all, when jihad comes around Arafat and other leaders send all their kids to study abroad and be spared from the honor of martyrdom. > Don't you know they have to have future leaders? Hehe.

Imzadi - <71. If I decide to test a lieutenant's loyalty and see if he/she should be made a trusted lieutenant, I will have a crack squad of marksmen standing by in case the answer is no.> So what would you do if somebody refuses a promotion? <When my guards split up to search for intruders, they will always travel in groups of at least two. They will be trained so that if one of them disappears mysteriously while on patrol, the other will immediately initiate an alert and call for backup, instead of quizzically peering around a corner.> I thought the minimum of people in a group should be 3, that way if one disappears you can still have somebody vouch that said security guard is who he/she says she/he is. <All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals.> What are you going to do to enforce this? Confine pregnant women when they get so far along to a hospital? <Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild.> That affects your security how? Or does that indicate some form of morality on your part?

Kaioto - <Do you think next time you could pick up a few more screw-up UI development contractors? There is a distinct surplus that needs cleaning up.> Sorry, most people object to the work requirements. You see, in order to protect the holographic mistletoe, all the contractors for the program are completely sequestered and go through repeated mind wipes after sucessfully finishing their part so any knowledge gained while working on my holographic misteltoe will be lost. Literally, none of the contractors have any idea what they actually did while working on the holographic mistletoe.

Hyperion - It's a small world afterall. If we get a president with a business background, he's bound to have friends/acquitances who would profit from anything that happens. The key is making sure he is motivated to serve the American people.

Spacebabie - <Yet we are going to try> Yet, you will fail. The general specs are being worked on right now. Let me give you one clue: it would be easier to create corrupted mistletoe from stratch than to corrupt next year's version of holographic mistletoe.

DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:27:32 PM
IP: 204.94.193.51

Gunjack> My reason are thus: I could not let such a threat, especially based on such a flimsy premise, go unanswered. Yes, he did retract the statement, apologize and take five. I appreciate that and applaud his maturity. However, I do object, on the strongest of terms, to his attempt at bullying.
And before someone says "well, maybe he was a little rash..." etc; jumping up, waving the Admin card and threatening a wholesale banning over a perceived insult is, at the very best, a very poor decision. Really, I could have dealt with anything but that. A vicious personal attack I would have written off as a lack of anything substantive to say; a demand for my sources, I would have either researched or conceded I was making it all up; but to post an inflammatory comment, such as that one, and then refuse to debate the merits of the case, but rather to reply with threats and swaggering authority, that kind of response I will *never* make any concessions to nor will I *ever* allow such behavior to go unchallenged.
If you don't like my ideas, my method of relaying them or what have you, I am more than willing to listen to comments but don't think that I ever will, under any circumstance, concede a debate when someone threatens force.

Where are you off to?

Shinigami> I will be pissed at him for quite some time, in fact. His response, as far as I'm concerned, was childish. Perhaps mine equally so, but I do not have the power to kick someone of the CR at my whim, either.
As for threatening to leave, my point there was not to leave under threat of dismissal, it was that if the other Admins sanction that kind of behavior then I want no part of such an organization. Thankfully, I can see that's not the case, but I'm sure you can understand my irritation.

As for anything else, as far as I'm concerned, the issue is closed. I think I've stated my reasons and rationale clearly enough, I see no reason to go into it any further.
Hyperion
Thursday, December 12, 2002 09:22:24 PM
IP: 151.199.238.19

This will be my last night here in the states for at least six months. See ya later, America... It's been real.

Hyperion - You, my friend, need to CHILL. Yeah, Greg's a hothead, and yeah, having a hotheaded admin can make life kinda interesting. He also apologized, retracted his statement, and gave himself a voluntary time-out. What's the point in yelling at him now?
Yeah, the articles were tabloid-quality (I noticed a whole bushel of problems with the first one, and calling a US president a terrorist is pretty much inviting a caustic reply... But it's all sorted out now, so what's the point of going on about it?
Gunjack "Fly Away" Valentine
Thursday, December 12, 2002 07:05:36 PM
IP: 192.133.129.164

First, a quick birthday wish to my little sister. She turned 25 today. Happy Birthday, Jolie!

And now, on the replies:

MC>-<<Lots Daughters - Didn't they end up living in the wilderness having incestuous babies with Lot?>> Yeah, they did. I meant that nothing happened to them when the men of Sodom came looking for Lot’s two guests. <<I'd say something happened to them, and it wasn't all that nice.>> I don’t know. The bible doesn’t say (at least from what I’ve read) what happens to them after they give birth to their sons by their father.

Gunjack>-<> But would she have looked at it? I really would have rather sent it to her (or you). Believe it or not, I really didn’t want to post it here. Yeah, I know...so why did I? I just wanted her to see that Ravenes was going behind her back trying to enlist my help in converting her. That’s not how I operate. I’m not going to go behind someone’s back and have another person help me gang up on you to convince that you’re wrong and I’m right. All I was trying to do was answer her questions. And as with Josh, I failed miserably. <<Tres apologies.>> All is forgiven. <<Josh? CIVIL!?! Have you been reading his posts!?>> Hey, compared to some other flame wars I’ve seen (not here, but elsewhere), this one has been rather tame. And yes, there are people worse than Josh. Yeah, I know. It is rather shocking. <<That's because you irritate her, and she wants as little to do with you as possible.>> I was never trying to irritate her. I only wanted to answer and explain as best I could. If she still wants to have as little to do with me..*shrugs shoulders*..well, so be it. << I'd like a crack at some of what you were saying, so I hope the whole shebang isn't closed down for good...>> I hope it isn’t either. And I’ll try to answer as best as I can.

Bud-Clare>-<<I'm pretty sure that it was clear to everyone but you what he meant.>> After re-reading it, I see that I made a mistake. I guess since I’m a parent, I only focused on part of what he was saying. And for that I apologize.

<<I'm afraid that you're in this CR, too.>> Touché. Now, would you hand me that rattle and bottle, please? I think I dropped them when I was having my tantrum. :-)

<<He did.>> You’re right.

<<We deserve cookies.>> Did someone say cookies?? Where? What kind??

Josh>-<<The question dodging is what gives you away.>> My bad. I thought we were playing dodge ball. ;-) <<My sarcasm is one of my defining qualities, and I don't subside it for the people I work for, let alone you.>> You’re right. It wasn’t fair for me to ask that of you. << Yes.>> Apology accepted. <> As I told Bud-Clare, I only focused on part of what you said. I apologize for that. <<Which Josh were YOU talking to?>> *looks around*
You’re the only Josh that I see in here, so it must be you. Unless you have an evil twin who likes to post as you. ;-)

Green Baron>-<<My grandmother was from an old Creole family in New Orleans (Villere).>> Do you happen to know the family name? My grandmother’s maiden name was La Cour. Her mother’s (my great-grandma) maiden name was Lehman (I think that’s how you spell it. My dad’s dad was from Cane River, also. My maiden name is Laurent. I think my dad told me that we also have family in Alexandria. <<She probably spoke a much fancier French, though.>> My grandpa spoke French, too. I miss that. He passed away in 1981 due to a heart attack. I was 14. <<My father mentioned Cane River once and said the women there were very attractive, due to their diverse heritage.>> And he is absolutely right. My grandma was a very beautiful woman.

<<When did you lose her?>> February 17, 1998. I was pregnant with my third child, her sixth great-grandchild.

<<Word of advice, don't let Imzadi get under your skin.>> I don’t. It’s just that motherly protection thing kicking in. <<he won't give a rat's ass.>> I know.

<<You can still commit a mortal sin (not that I'm saying you would). After all, Clinton is religious and all, but _him_ in Heaven ::snicker:: I know I shouldn't judge, but.... bwahahaha>> I totally agree with you on this. The idea of Clinton in heaven is just…odd. But the hardest thing for me to grab is the people in prison who have committed horrendous crimes but have converted to Christianity. If they accept Jesus, then they’ll be able to go to heaven.

<> Don’t give up on her. Pray for her.

<>mine has about six more books that yours.>> I’ve always wondered about that. I went to a Catholic high school and we were required to have a Catholic bible. Why are there more books in the Catholic bible?

I know the need to study the faith more. I got a Bible, a Catechism, and 2000 years of tradition to research, and even then I won't have all the answers, I'll just know better questions to ask :)

lain>- <<"problems" with "Christian" harassment>> But that’s the thing. I wasn’t trying to harass you. I just wanted to answer your questions and try to explain things to you. And like I told Josh and Gunjack, it looks like I failed miserably in doing so. <<I'm sure you understand..>> I understand more than you know. I get harassed by my family for my beliefs. My dad is Lutheran/Catholic. Meaning he was raised Lutheran, but now semi-attends a Catholic church. My mom is Catholic, but hasn’t set foot in a church unless it’s to come to mine to see her grandkids in Christmas and Easter programs. And my two younger sisters—one is a practicing Catholic and the other is Lutheran. As you can see, my family is pretty f’ed up. ;-) <<if it was a miscommunication then..>> Well, I wouldn’t call it a miscommunication, per se. More like a mis-reading. <<then why do you claim that you or your son are so important that GOD would save them?>> Because my son and I are important to God. <> No, you didn’t. Sorry. <<lets not go there..>> Agreed. <<merely an attack on what I see as absolutely, incomprehensibly silly *beliefs*>> I apologize for my reaction. I get this from my family a lot. They don’t agree with my pastor’s teachings and when I try to explain to them what I mean, they look at me like I’m crazy. <<ill attack your belief, because I believe it is wrong, and a misinterpretation.>> Sounds like you’d get along great with my family. <<who’s calling who names again?>> You’re right. Again, I apologize.

raveness/godiva>> <<honestly, though, do you not see how that email is disturbing??>> I can see how it’s disturbing. I never asked for Ravenes to email me, and neither have I bothered to reply to her. I think what she did is despicable. If you have questions, I’ll try to answer them to the best of my ability, but to ambush you? Never. <<AND coming up with some sort of scheming plot to "convert me".>> As a Christian, I am supposed to tell you about Jesus and the Scriptures. If you’re non-receptive to me, then I’ll back off. <<what am I? cattle to be herded into the coral?>> No, you’re not. <<do you know how disturbing it is to find out that you’re being viewed as nothing more than something to be formed and manipulated into the shape that someone else sees fit? that’s WRONG.>> I don’t want to manipulate anyone. <<Jesus never connived behind people’s backs to try and convert them, he let people see him, and come to him.>> But since Jesus isn’t here, all you can do is to read the bible, study it, and pray for understanding. <<if you try to push or force people, like you’re trying to do to me,>> That’s Ravenes, not me. I’m not going to force you to do anything. It has be your choice. <<he had it figured out, so why don’t you follow his example, instead of going on a crusade?>> I *am* trying to follow his example, lain. It ain’t easy being a Christian, let me tell ya.

Godiva - [reneeprater@adelphia.net]
Thursday, December 12, 2002 06:56:28 PM
IP: 24.52.251.66

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Anonymous
Thursday, December 12, 2002 06:20:33 PM
IP: 192.133.129.164

Hyperion::

Be pissed at Greg if you like, freedom of opinion should be in the constitution. However, do not assume that any one admin speaks for the rest or that for some reason personal opinion mandates the rules of the room. 911 is a touchy subject, especially for people who are from NY like Greg-or like myself. And as for liking or not liking political figures.. Hell, believe what you want. I have an opinion on the subject but I don't think it's worth getting all heated over about.

Geez, can't this room go a few weeks without someone threatening to leave. I can't speak for everyone, but as for me, it's not a very efficient threat, especially when that statement apparently comes after the poster fearing they're going to be banned or something. It's like threatening to quit after being fired. It's silly.

But then again everything seems rather silly to me nowadays.

Shinigami
Thursday, December 12, 2002 05:31:16 PM
IP: 64.12.96.138

mwa ha ha..

my dad is officially an old geezer... i went to his 60th birthday party last night

things not reccommended: driving back by greyhound with a severely upset stomach. thats just not pretty..

godiva>> <<Abraham was trying to save his nephew, Lot. He wasn’t trying to save Sodom and Gomorrah>> certainly, but he still did it by bargaining with GOD, which was my point. <<Oh, that’s a really grown up attitude. How old are you again?>> heh.. i just wanted to make sure you wouldnt even try. ive had.. "problems" with "christian" harassment, im sure you understand.. <<YOU wanted it this way, not me>> yes ma'am! (?) <<If that’s all he meant, then he should have said that in the first place>> well, thats what i read from it, and several others in here. if it was a miscommunication then.. oh well. <> then why do you claim that you or your son are so important that GOD would save them? that implies "importance" certainly not "insignificance". <<to name calling>> i called names? o.O i believe i said your comment sounded daft, nothing about you. :P <<you’d have noticed that nothing happened to Lot’s daughters>> lets not go there.. <> an attack on you? no. merely an attack on what i see as absolutely, incomprehensibly silly *beliefs* ill attack your belief, because i believe it is wrong, and a misinterpretation. <<lain is being such a brat/ shit from Lain and it is rather childish>> sorry, whos calling who names again? o.O

raveness/godiva>> <<Some ho i think that he wants to know more about God>> heh.. <<So. I think we shold work on him. I mean. Please don't turn him down>> and you wonder why i have "issues" with christian stalkers. HA!
honestly, though, do you not see how that email is disturbing?? you dont know anything about me, or what i beleve, and youre making an incredible amount of assumptions about me, AND coming up with some sort of scheeming plot to "convert me". what am i? cattle to be hearded into the corall? good grief. do you know how disturbing it is to find out that youre being viewed as nothing more than something to be formed and manipulated into the shape that someone else sees fit? thats WRONG. jesus never conived behind peoples backs to try and convert them, he let people see him, and come to him. if you try to push or force people, like youre trying to do to me, dont be surprised if they balk and go the other way. he had it figured out, so why dont you follow his example, instead of going on a crusade?

*****GREG*****
being completely civil.. no flamey. i hope you dont mind.. but im not about to let somebody chomp my ass and have no defense. :P

gunjack>> <<Actually, she's probably still pretty annoyed>> yes, yes she is. and now disturbed.. the christians really ARE after me.. and we aaaaall know christians only EVER want ooone thing :P <<In here, as in most of the world, religion IS a war>> true. at least we only fight with words. <<That's because you iritate her, and she wants as little to do with you as possible>> and for (now apparent) good reason, if i dare say. <> me too.. <<in any case, are you aware that Bush also exacted a promise from the UN that american troops would be completely exempted rom war-crimes trials related to the current low intensity conflict>> grrrrr... <<That one really bugs Lain>> gggggRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrr... <<Me, I voted for the man, and I still support him>> thats cause youre a.. a.. insert insult of choice, involving the words "george w bush", "fundamentalist", "red-neck" and "tea-cozy"

green baron>> <<Rape by taxation...have fun freezing your ass off as your whole paycheck gets converetd into the governemnt doing eveything for you>> interestingly.. i always seem to get money BACK from my income tax.. even though i dont actually PAY anything.. o.O but as for butt freezing.. yeah.. hes gonna get some o dat action..

josh>> <<Only a loser would watch movies on their computer anyway>> *loser* <<In other words, you know as much as this atheist 8-)>> EXACTLY!!! the thing that really annoys me, thoug (about BOTH atheists and religious people) is that neither side seems to be able to admit that they DONT have the "truth" because the truth is not knowable. if everyone could just say "i believe this" instead of "i know this" i would be MUCH happier and i think the world in general would be, also. if you say "i know this" people are apt to say "you freak, you dont know anything!" and go bashing them. whereas if people say "i beleve this" others would be more apt to stomp off and say "you nutbar, go think what you want". the point with "faith" is that it is, and should always be FAITH. not fact. if you call it fact, you negate the whole point of it.. THATS what ticks me off. why cant people just admit to having beliefs, instead of always arguing about "facts" that remain unproven?

**** the end ****

*teeters back off to bed with a little barf baggie.. just in case..*
lain "bad kitty" iwakura
Thursday, December 12, 2002 02:36:57 PM
IP: 65.93.72.196

Greg Bishansky and all Admins> I see where the original statement that sparked my reply had been, apparently retracted, however I am posting this, not out of spite, but because to not do so, I think, would be to indicate compliancy. My sincere thanks to Kaioto for handling this in a manner far more civil and polite that I would have.

However, my own thoughts on the matter as follows,

Actually I *was* referring to the author of that piece of tripe rejected from the tabloid newsstand as a "wacko".
I have never had any problem with how the admins on this board have done their job, *until this point*. I find it to be the peak of unmitigated audacity to threaten to ban me for an inflammatory remark when it was your original post that was both inflammatory and also insulting to anyone with more then a passing knowledge of the past decade, not to mention a debasement on the memories of the thousands that died in attacks, both foreign and domestic, not the least of which was our own day on infamy, September 11, 2001.
In fact, not only have you started with a “flame”, that being “a message to insult or provoke” with your comment about Bush being in league with Al-Queda, but you refused to support your position in the slightest, except that bit of internet gossip which had no relevance to your original assertion that Bush helped Al-Queda plan the 9/11 attacks, and then decided threaten a ban for a particularly minor insult, not to mention the fact that it seems particularly apt given the content of the article.
You are, of course, welcome to ban me for this or any other post I've made, but I reserve the right to be uncivil in my posts, for whatever reason. I apologize if I've given the impression to you or anyone else that I am unswervingly rational and polite in every point I make.
I will not continue to reply to your original topic, not out of threat of being banned, or even a sense of guilt over how you erroneously took a statement of mine, a but because you have yet to offer into evidence any credible information linking the current Administration to any terrorist organization at all.
Furthermore, if your comment accurately reflects the policy of this room and the beliefs of the Admins in general, then I will, quite gladly, take my own leave. I can only conclude then, given some of the posts made during the prior religious discussion, that the only barometer of a “flame” is whether or not an admin believes it is aimed at him/her. I will not be complacent in this kind of farce.

Imzadi><What if I live inside the great satan>You get a free Islamic conversion kit with your donation. Included is a Qur'an, a prayer rug, a compass that points to Mecca, three grenades and list of every author that's been sentenced to death by various Muslim regimes.
<Tinfoil hats never biodegrade>You've been in Berkely too long. Bite me.
 Hmm. Interesting. And yet, you indicate your displeasure at recent legislation. How do you reconcile the two? How can you me sure that the "secret court" is bad?
<I'm not losing any sleep>If only you knew...MUHWAHAHAHAHA! :-D
<Says who> I *think* I read it in a article a few weeks back. I freely admit I might have been mistaken, though.
<Mostly rubbers> Where's the male contraceptive pill when you need it.
<Yay for MIRVs> Yay for Scorched Earth!

Bud-Clare><Are you going to make her sleep on the floor?> *sigh* no, darlin'...not what I meant... Sheesh, it's like trying to converse with Ozzie and Harriet in here sometimes... :-)

Kaioto><Jesus Freaks> My personal favorite was a evangelical merchant trying to (loudly) drum up business by reciting Bible verses. We eventually just referred to him as "the guy peddling Jesus things"

Green Baron><objectivist> Ah, but I am an objectvist. As an objectivist, I must, therefore, subscribe to a rational outlook on the the Universe. However, I cannot, rationally, discount the possibility of God in the Universe, so I feel free to believe in a God, and my belief in that God also mirrors the objective rationality the Rand esposues.

Hyperion
Thursday, December 12, 2002 02:10:58 PM
IP: 151.199.241.157

Another cold day in Kosovo. Right now, being sent to Iraq sounds nice and warm to me :)

Spacebabie> <<Sick dude>> I've got much worse than that. In eighth grade, my budies and I recited litanies of Helen Keller jokes while watching The Miracle Worker :)

<> Who else is rooming with us? You still want to room with me, right?

Mooncat> So the NIV seems the favored translation here. I'll still stick with my New American Bible :) Granted, there's another reason I use my NAB and not a KJV, NIV, NRSV, or NSRV.

Jaden> I was told you could get suits for less than that. Just wear the suit for whatever reason, not just a party. I updated my journal. Just click on my name. I also have a charity idea that may interest Greg X, Impfac, and Imzadi, definitely, along with many others like Spacebabie and Patrick, while Lain, Gunjack, and Gabriel may not care for me endorsing it. Yes, I am encouraging peopel to read my updated journal, rife with controversial stuff ;)

Imzadi> <<That wasn't funny.>> That's it? Only you commenting. I was hoping for more reaction. Well, check out my journal. I hope that can spark some comments.

<<its how things are done. At 13, boys who are raised in a jewish family become bar mitzvah. It doesn't matter if you believe or not. Plus, you get a big party and lots of money. Sounds like a good deal to me. I enjoyed it because I kept thinking about how every 13 year old kid in the history of Judaism (which is much older than Christ) has been bar mitzvah.>> That is very impressive. I know Bar Mitzvah is different from Confirmation, though I guess from my perspective, I would compare the two.

You do get a better deal with a Bar Mitzvah. I didn't get much of anything with my Confirmation and I had to fight with my mother over who got to be my sponsor...Maybe it's me, but I believe that when I become a full Catholic, I have a right to choose my sponsor and my saint name.

She wnated me to pick her brother, who is my godfather, though my uncle would be unavailable as he is a busy doctor down in Miami. I wanted to pick my Latin teacher. I won when I showed her the Confirmation guide recommended a teacher. Besides, I just went for a three hour workshop at Holy Name Parish the day before I was Confirmed, so it's not like I went through the full process. I imagine you studied much longer than three hours to become a man.

DPH> << hoped you remember a certain conversation we had a long time ago.>> Of course, though I doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on it ;)

<<That leads questions to about Guardian Tom and Princess Katherine's relationship. By all practical terms, they're a married couple.>> There are actual ways a couple can be married when no priest is present. Some herectic group who rejects Vatican II has those guidelines (they don't recognize the current Pope or the current priests).

<> Or maybe He created other families and didn't tell that to the dudes writing Genesis.

Religious note> I FOUND JESUS!!!

I found that in Kosovo, we have a Jesus Guiterrez and a Jesus Rivera stationed here :)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Twelve Days of Christmas> Its the twelve days from Christmas Day to the Epiphany. Epiphany is traditionally the day a Christmas tree was taken down and when some families put the Magi in their Nativity scene (my father did that as a child). Epiphany is also the first day of parade season down in New Orleans and when Ordinary Time starts in the Liturgical Calendar.

Imzadi> <<That wouldn't help. People with similar codes create defects. Its how it works. Now, if god when in and correct nature's accidents, then okay.>> Don't forget Eve was a clone of Adam :) Exact same genetic code.

Bud-Clare> <<Without suffering, there is little reason for anything to change, and without change, life is boring and pointless... which is just a different kind of suffering. Is a stagnant pond really preferable to a river with rapids and waterfalls and those nice calm stretches where you can just relax and take in the scenery?>> I like that. It's always been my argument as to why the world isn't prefect and why I don't want it to be.

<<*snickers* Christians are funny.>> It helps when there are about 10,000 brands of Christianity and some are so different, its amazing they're under the same umbrella.

<<Huh? Who does that?>> I think people in Colorado.

Kaioto> No response to my dead kitty? Are you still sore over how often Attila hit on Lexy :D

Gside> <<You belong to the Church of the Sub Genius?>> Maybe she was referring to Bob Dole, master of the pen grip :)

Tony Elliott> <<You're using this inbreeding as a basis to strenghen your argument of non belief.>> Well, I'm not sold on inbreeding, but last time I checked, I'm a believer ::looks up and sees statue fo Mary and rosary made from ros petals:: yep, I'm a believer. I just don't take the Creation story literally, but I recognize the religiosu truth about sin and its effects. Hopefully that doesn't sound complete self-contradictory.

<<What ever happend artists that wrote their own lyrics and music?>> They get ripped off :)

<<The only way to lead someone to faith is by living a "Christianly" life, and by interacting with your neighbors (the internet doesn't count) and doing what you can to lead them to faith through neighborly love.>> I can see CS Lewis saying that, or St. James. Are you familiar with GK Chesterton?

Greg X> Hopefully MAPSU is a joke. If it isn't, I'd laugh even harder :)

Hyperion> <<Most people do. I can't imagine why.>> Actually your support for Ayn Rand made me assume you were an objectivist, but that was my mistake. I do admit if I was an atheist, I'd definitely be on the Ayn Rand camp.

Godiva> <<My grandmother (my dad’s mom) was from Louisiana. Cane River, in fact. She used to talk like this. I miss her.>> My grandmother was from an old Creole family in New Orleans (Villere). She probably spoke a much fancier French, though. My father mentioned Cane River once and said the women there were very attractive, due to their diverse heritage.

When did you lose her? My grandmother died two years before I was born, and I imagine the borboun she took her pain killers with helped her die at 64.

<<A word of advice for you. NEVER tell a parent that their child isn’t important. My child may not be important to you, BUT HE IS TO ME.>> Word of advice, don't let Imzadi get under yoru skin. It will just upset you and he won't give a rat's ass.

<<Hmm, I wonder what your parents would say if you told them that you weren’t important to them and if they thought that you were, they’d be wrong.>> My mother woudl get very defensive if you did that, but she'll turn around and demean me to my face, but only she has the right to make me feel like crap. I have an odd Norman Bates-style relationship with her.

<<And Christianity isn’t??>> I would say both are, as both Catholics and Baptists are Christian, but as DPH and I can attest, have very different doctrines.

<<No, I’m not. The only way I’m going to hell is if I deny Jesus Christ as being the Son of God.>> You can still committ a mortal sin (not that I'm saying you would). Afterall, Clinton is religious and all, but _him_ in Heaven ::snicker:: I know I shouldn't judge, but....bwahahaha

<<He never gave up his belief in God. He just couldn’t go to church knowing that he had those issues to deal with.>> My mother has done that, too. Oh, well. I've tried to encourage her to go again. She gets defensive. I give up on her.

Shinigami being nice to Coyote.....yes, the end times are here :)

Coyote> I'm glad to see you around.

Fire Storm> My own sister said I'd be too disturbed by A Clockwork Orange. I saw it with my buddy Dr. Banres and I wonder what my sister was smoking. Then again, she has no respect for me and thinks of me as a lesser being. Hetaher can back me up on that.

Gside> <<One can still believe in such a thing and commit atrocities.>> Exactly. Little surpise it was a fellow Catholic who pointed that out. After all, I imagine a whole slew of Rennaisance Popes and pedophile priests are bathing in sulfur right now.

I'm impressed to see you in the debate as you ussually don't get into them.

Imzadi> <<More like "Possible root: reference to Jews as greedy bastards and lying pigs".>> Yet I think a survey was done showing Jews to be one of the most charitable and generous groups in the US. Of course, stereotypes are jsut that. Its also worng to assume all Palestinians are goatf*cking terrorists who strap bombs to themselves...after all, when jihad comes around Arafat and other leaders send all their kids to study abroad and be spared from the honor of martyrdom.

Greg X> Maybe a vacation will help you. The worst problem I see you having are some anger management issues. I try not to post when I see something that angers me.

Hound of Ulster> As I bashed Clinton all the time in HS, this story is disturbing. I could have been a security threat to some people. I think Bush should interven and tell everyone to lighten up. It's a perfect opportunity for him to look gracious.

Spacebabie> <<That would make her dumb and a slut?>> Well, that is exactly what she is :)

Godiva> <> That was my guess as to your specific vintage of Christianity. Of course, besides the Bible, what else do you have to research? I imagien if we both sat down and read the Bible, we'd have different beleifs, and that is even if we used the same Bible (mine has about six more books that yours).

I knwo the need to study the faith more. I got a Bible, a Catechism, and 2000 years of tradition to research,a nd even then I won't have all the answers, I'll just know better questions to ask :)

Lain's gender> Yes, Lain is a woman. Gunjack knows this better than any of us :) Raveness made a msitake..its easy. Lain accidentally though CR Bronx was male. easy msitake.

Mooncat> Yes, but it wasn't Lot, it was Lott....and that is how Trent Lott came to exist. A father and daughter had sex in Mississippi (where incest is best) and from that Union came Trent Lott :)

Greg X> <<
A few years back, there was a gathering of world leaders at the United Nations, and Rudy invited them all to have dinner at Gracy Mansion. When Arafat showed up, Rudy told him to get the f*ck out "I don't eat with terrorists." I've liked Rudy ever since>> I remember that when Steve Largent hosted the National Prayer Day breakfast. He invited Arafat. I won't fault Largent on this because he is a half-witted moron who knows how to vote right in Congress on Fiscal issues. Steve Largent never had his helmet on when he was training with the Seattle Seahawks :)

I don't think Steve Largent is deliberately hateful or evil...just a dumb jock in the way Mary Landrieu is a dumb blonde, except I prefer Largent's voting record :)

Bush Conspiracy> Now I don't knwo about this huy, but I just remember all the Clinton conspiracy issues from back in the day. I think Greg is perfectly rational to believe as he does, but the precedence with Clinton's conspiracies doesn't help the case.

Firestorm> <<2004: Anyone Else for president!>>

Well, John Kerry is running...hahahaha..now that's funny.

Al Gore again.....he can grow a beard to run with a new image

Howard Dean of Vermont.....a state that I would gladly give to Canada if Lain is interested :)

Gunjack> <<That one really bugs Lain, and me too, a bit.>> He's being pragamatic. Besides, if the Human Rights police can kidnap old men during back surgery, they'll have no qualms against healthy soldiers, like me, since if I go, I'll be paying them and just as guilty :)

<<as Finals and my impending move to Canada have made things extra hectic.>> Rape by taxation...have fun freezing your ass off as your whole paycheck gets converetd into the governemnt doing eveything for you.

Bud-Clare> <<Argh? Who exactly is "you" and "us"?>> He assumes you're an atheist. From our converstaions, I know you're not. If anything you seem to lean Buddhist or like them. In any event, you're very huggable :)

Imzadi> <<Yeah, my dad is blatantly bigoted against black males aged 14-23. I think he thinks they're gonna blast a cap in his ass. I smack him when he says something stupid.>> Didn't Miriam get leprosy for saying racist comments about Moses's wife?

Imzadi> <<Yeah but you have old people and rednecks.>> Rednecks serve a purpose on election day. The rest of the year, they need to be kept in their cages :)

That's it for today. Good night and click on my name :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Thursday, December 12, 2002 01:29:58 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

Well now...finals start tomorrow night, and last for a terrifying 27 hours. Cuz I'm just that lucky and all my finals take place on thursday and friday. I'd rather have them spread out, but this is nice too since I get to go back to LA on saturday night. We had a review tonight for structural analysis, which is really the only final I"m studying for. Steel design is very open book, so I did a practice final and that's it. I'm not even doing that much for wood design. I'll look at it briefly tomorrow night to make sure i know where everything is, literally.

replies, then.

Hound of Ulster: What a world we live in.

Greg: <<Every day it becomes more and more clear that the Bush Administration conspired with Osama bin Laden to plan the 9/11 attacks>>: While I can't agree with this, I do agree with your earlier statement that this country is slowly turning into Nazi Germany. My favorite part is the "secret court" that approved Ashcroft's security changes. <<But I am taking this as a flame>>: No, he was clearly referring to the author of the articles you listed as references. Which could be just as insulting.

Spacebabie: <>: What do they do for you? <<the streamers were like tentacles.>>: And you liked it, didn't you? <<Do they think it’s noodles?>>: I think its because it looks like mice viscera. <<That was the first people food Vixen ever ate>>: My cats are rather partial to my lox-flavored shmear. <<How about we tie her up and give her to Josh?>>: Oh please yes! I promise to make her experience far more demeaning than mere death 8-) <<when they are not having sex with their teachers they are packing guns>>: That doesn't make someone a criminal. <<Big deal I’ve been out since last Tuesday>>: Don't make me come over there. <>: That wouldn't have made it any more useful to know. <<You don’t like Nerds Candy?>>: Not really. <<yellow fluffy bodies and the way they go cheap cheap>>: not what I meant. <<Of course I like Dr. Pepper>>: I'll remember that's what you call it. <<You are right. It’s more like 3.1428571>>: No, its more like 3.1415926535. <<and call me in the morning>>: You wish. <<About Darn time>>: No kidding! Now I get to spend spring break working on my graduate applications. <>: Be quiet and go fetch my french fries and double-double, you future fast-food worker! <>: Well certainly the larger sets, which is what I'm picking up. <<So you are supposed to be either drunk or stoned to watch it?>>: I think that's the case for more movies. <<So is my part of the country>>: Yeah but you have old people and rednecks. <>: Didn't know you swing that way.

Patrick: <<Who are your sources?>>: Weed... <>: The scary thing is that in a few years, everyone who actually experienced any time during WWII will be dead, and that's when this crap will really crawl out of the woodwork.

Godiva: <<it’s quite obvious that I’m failing miserably>>: That's okay, most do. The question-dodging is what gives you away. <<leave the sarcasm out of your reply>>: No. Absolutely not. My sarcasm is one of my defining qualities, and I don't subside it for the people I work for, let alone you. <<Is this a sincere apology?>>: Yes. <<every time I’ve read what you posted, it did not come across as you meaning his importance in the grand scheme of the universe>>: Lain understood what I meant 8-) <<The closest I can come to an example is the casting out of demon spirits>>: In other words, you know as much as this atheist 8-) <<that explains why lain is being such a brat>>: And everyone else ;-) Including you. And I. <<though I don’t see how you could view any email from me as spam>>: spam = unsolicited email. <<he should have said that in the first place>>: In an exchange with Lain: "because "they must have a greater purpose">>: I like to respond to this one with "trust me, dear, your child isn't that important."" From last week. Or this gem: "I know you're a parent and all, but do you really believe that your son is important enough for an all-powerful evil deity to bother trying to kill?" I think I clearly implied that parental love was not part of my consideration. <<Josh...have been pretty civil>>: HAHA. Which Josh were YOU talking to?

Mooncat: <<having incestuous babies with Lot? I'd say something happened to them, and it wasn't all that nice>>: Back then, incest was all the rage. Or something. <<Isn't Lain female?>>: Gunjack has forbidden me from speaking on the subject.

Kaioto: <>: Okay fine. <<it has nowhere to go at this point but to the bottom of the slippery slope of personal antagonism>>: Oh yeah!? Well...you smell! <<it looks like your making yourself "more equal" than the rest of the room>>: But he is! <<"Self-Martyring Jesus Freaks" and "Self-Serving Heathen Swine,">>: I prefer not to call them self-martyring. Most I know wouldn't sacrifice themselves, and they supposedly have a good reason to do it. That said, I prefer egomaniacal heathen swine 8-) Means the same thing, but sounds better.

Hyperion: <<Something about being physically fit just makes one feel...happy>>: Its the feeling of knowing you'll outlive all us fat slobs, isn't it? <<you get your sins atoned for and are assured of a place in heaven.>>: What if I live inside the great satan? <<do you need a new tinfoil hat?>>: That's silly. Tinfoil hats never biodegrade 8-) <<both>>: Fatass. <<if "a flood in the river valleys"="the world" then "seven days"="??">>: Except that back then, the river valleys were our entire perception of the world, but the length of a day hasn't changed much since then. <<Everything from the LA riots, the Cambodian massacres, Mother Theresa and the Hiroshima bombing are all equally "right">>: And equally wrong. I don't believe in objective right and wrong, purely subjective. I think genocide is wrong, but Pol Pot might not agree. <<Information has already been recorded. <evil chuckle>>>: Oh well. I'm not losing any sleep. <<Damn right. Now If I could just get a job>>: LOL. <<Anything under 5 kilotons is a "small" nuke>>: Says who? <<Make sure you have massage oil and er...other stuf>>: Mostly rubbers. <<designed to take out Leningrad and Moscow>>: Yay for MIRVs!

Fire Storm: <<nuke the @$$ and take their gas>>: Clever rhyme. <<unless she just ACTS like she will use it that way>>: i can't wait for the stuff/maxim interview of her. <<That's what power tools are for>>: Um, no. You still need a crane to lift it 4 floors. <<But after that>>: It still hurt. <<They are aimed up at a cone>>: That is SO cool! <<Did you see AirPort security>>: Uh, no. <<Anyone Else for president>>: Me? <<Is it possible to make a nuke with a yield that small>>: Sure. Less core material = smaller chain reaction.

Gunjack: <<my impending move to Canada>>: Prepare to be cold. <<Josh? CIVIL!?>>: That's what my degree will say! <<Have you been reading his posts!>>: I'm always sure that "this is the one that will get me banned" <<It's more fn this way>>: I thought southern christian boys beat up gays for fun and profit. <>: Even with the war crimes thingy? <<have you considered Canada?>>: If the global warming thing really works, Toronto is my next place of residence.

Gside: <<That was supposed to be a secret?>>: No, but some people don't know. <<should on no account be taken seriously but is far more serious than most jokes>>: Like most religions. <<Ha ha>>: I don't feel bad. Only a loser would watch movies on their computer anyway. That's what big screen TV's are for.

Bud Clare: <<Jewing them down", i.e. haggling. *shudders* I keep yelling at her for it, but she always pretends not to hear me>>: Yeah, my dad is blatantly bigoted against black males aged 14-23. I think he thinks they're gonna blast a cap in his ass. I smack him when he says something stupid. <<Or all of them are partly wrong>>: That was one of my choices. <<there's no reason why they can't all be describing essentially the same phenomenon from different perspectives>>: Yes there is, if they directly contradict each other. If your religion says there is no hell and mine says there is, then one of us must be right. <<Bad walls! Bad!>>: And those sidewalks are just the worst-behaved! <<Who exactly is "you" and "us">>: You = Christians, us = atheists. <>: I heard it explained another way that makes more sense: if the writing in the bible is true pre-cognition, then it doesn't matter that satan knows he's going to lose. He's going to try some clever way to win and in doing so, wind up losing. Of course, that kind of removes the idea of free will, but whatever. <<Okay, you take your happy pill, then. I think I'll pass>>: Gladly! <<human intelligence is inversely proportional to the number of people in the room>>: Amen! <<I'm pretty sure that it was clear to everyone but you what he meant>>: And Leo. <<I'm afraid that you're in this CR>>: Dis. <<He did>>: Thank you. <<Are you going to make her sleep on the floor?>>: I hate those bastards.

Okay, time to sleep. First final in 17 hours.

71. If I decide to test a lieutenant's loyalty and see if he/she should be made a trusted lieutenant, I will have a crack squad of marksmen standing by in case the answer is no.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, December 12, 2002 03:24:01 AM
IP: 66.125.229.247

Gside> << <<Not that I've noticed>>: Maybe you should try.>>
Is it that good? What do they bribe you with?
_________________________________________________
Josh> <<More like "Possible root: reference to Jews as greedy bastards and lying pigs".>>
When my mother goes to garage sales, she uses the phrase "Jewing them down", i.e. haggling. *shudders* I keep yelling at her for it, but she always pretends not to hear me.

<<So either all of them are wrong, or one is right and the rest are wrong.>>
Or all of them are partly wrong, which is logical given that they are all run by humans, who are obviously not perfect. Once you factor in a reasonable margin for error, there's no reason why they can't all be describing essentially the same phenomenon from different perspectives.

<<How can a city be evil?>>
Bad walls! Bad!

<<Why not? Wouldn't you like to be able to argue us heathens into believing in god?>>
Argh? Who exactly is "you" and "us"?

<<You and everyone else in this CR ;-)>>
Wow, we're all so sneaky. We deserve cookies. :)

<<Then perhaps you can explain to me why Satan is fighting God when he knows he'll lose.>>
*L* I can't, as I'm not remotely Christian. I just meant that, in principle, you shouldn't necessarily give up just because you're certain to lose.

<<No, that's the idea. It wouldn't, because you'd be endlessly content. You can't be anything else. If your body "adjusts" to a given level of happiness and requires more, it would instantly feed you more happy drugs.>>
*shudders* Okay, you take your happy pill, then. I think I'll pass.

<<Obviously you've never been around a group of screaming children.>>
But human intelligence is inversely proportional to the number of people in the room.
_________________________________________
Godiva> <<Is this a sincere apology? Because every time I’ve read what you posted, it did not come across as you meaning his importance in the grand scheme of the universe.>>
I'm pretty sure that it was clear to everyone but you what he meant.

<< <<You and everyone else in this CR>> Ooooohhh...So that explains why lain is being such a brat.>>
I'm afraid that you're in this CR, too.

<<If that’s all he meant, then he should have said that in the first place.>>
He did.
________________________________
Hyperion> << <Then do you call top or bottom> both.>>
At the same time? Are you going to make her sleep on the floor? :P
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, December 12, 2002 02:44:53 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Imzadi> <<You and everyone else in this CR>>: That was supposed to be a secret?
<<How could anyone resist underage virgins?>>: They were inherently evil. Or stupid.
<<confused>>: It was a quote from the works of a Mr. Gagne that I had just run across and found amusing.
<<All three of them>>: Springsteen, Bon Jovi, and I can't think of a third. Joel was building a house here a while back, but I think he decided agains it.
<<Go on, rub it in>>: I like to when I can.
<<Of what-an-ism?>>: The veneration of Eris, a.k.a. Discordia; widely popular among hackers. It should on no account be taken seriously but is far more serious than most jokes.
<<so far all the mac implementations of DivX suck ass>>: Ha ha.
<<If anything, women in the bible do not get off scot-free>>: I was only referring to the implications of that one verse.
<<Are those not the same?>>: One was more concise, the other used the name given in the movie.
<>: But the principle of the thing.

Greg> <<When did wearing a fucking t-shirt become a fucking crime>>: It seems that the student personally added the target, which might be considered the same as a verbal threat on the president's life. But it does seem quite overblown.

Spacebabie> <<the streamers were like tentacles>>: Mmm, nice imagery.
<<Yah Tigerseye>>: No, I said Takahashi, not Takeuchi.
<<And knowing is half the battle>>: General Issue Joseph.

Kaioto> <<1 + 1 = 2 in base 10/1 + 1 = 10 in binary>>: But no matter what, * + * = **. The concept of an imaginary number doesn't change, even if we use a different symbol. Which electircal engineers do.

Leo> <<The Glossary of Perversion>>: They didn't have Jeep Liberty, and it's a favorite of the Medium.

Fire Storm> <<Alex sang 'Singing in the rain' really loudly in the bathtub>>: My bad. It's been a while.
<<Things change>>: With any luck.

Gunjack> <<Josh, Warps, keep yer traps shut>>: I'm not included in the list? I'm disappointed.

And a bit of caroling by the Beach Boys. We Three Kings.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:53:20 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

I'll fix your feet, so you can't walk
I'll lock your jaw, so you can't talk
I'll close your eyes, so you can't see
This very hour come and go with me...
-O Death

Heh... Looks like biz as usual in here, eh? Never got to finish my various responces to people, as Finals and my impending move to Canada have made things extra hectic.

*spots Godiva's post thing, and stands by the door with some mistletoe to distract Lain before she replies*

Ravenes - That's actually rather sweet. ^_^ ...In any case, there is no need to "work" on Lain; she gets there just fine on her own. I spent quite a while trying to "work" on her myself, and ended up with a new appreciation for just how little I know. If you want to talk with her, try seriously answering her questions, and be prepared to question your own beliefs. Don't try to teach if you aren't willing to learn.

Godiva><<Buuuut, since YOU wanted the WHOLE CR to see, here it is. I hope you're happy.>> Actually, she's probably still pretty annoyed. I meant to post, asking you to send it to me, and then I'd pass it along, but I forgot. Tres apologies. <> In here, as in most of the world, religion IS a war. <<Josh, Ravenes, and myself have been pretty civil.>> *Busts up laughing* ...Josh? CIVIL!?! Have you been reading his posts!? <<Lain is the one who turned it into a personal attack.>> That's because you iritate her, and she wants as little to do with you as possible. In any case, she's been more civil than anyone replying to poor Rav, so... *shrugs* ...Personally, I'd like a crack at some of what you were saying, so I hope the whole shebang isn't closed down for good...

Mooncat><<Isn't Lain female?>> Wouldn't YOU like to know? ; ) ...And Josh, Warps, keep yer traps shut. It's more fn this way. 8D

Greg><<...just without calling me a wacko.>> ...I thought he was calling theauthor of the ARTICLE a wacko..? In any case, are you aware that Bush also exacted a promise from the UN that american troops would be completely exempted rom war-crimes trials related to the current low intensity conflict? That one really bugs Lain, and me too, a bit.
Me, I voted for the man, and I still support him. I'll continue to support him till definitive evidnce of misconduct surfaces. Personally, I don't think it ever will, mostly because I don't think he's misbehaving. In any case, have you considered Canada? ; )
Gunjack "Wikkiwow" Valentine
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:32:14 PM
IP: 192.133.129.164

Greg> Cool, man. For the record, I think you're doing a fine job. I'm just keeping you on your toes because I'm an obnoxious little b45+4rd. :)

BTW, I think the technical terms are "Self-Martyring Jesus Freaks" and "Self-Serving Heathen Swine," at least, the technical terms that don't involve explicatives being deleted. :)

(And yes, that's a somewhat cynical joke about how we tend to label one another just to devalue eachother's worth and thusly the worth of eachother's arguments.)
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 09:33:31 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

Greg> Alrighty then, fair enough.

But I think is only reasonable to expect of you that same Jonny-on-the-Spot service for other posters receiving similar deconstructive criticism.

Otherwise it looks like your making yourself "more equal" than the rest of the room where a certain amount of back-handed or implied ad hominem is overlooked.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 09:27:15 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

One more thing.

Kai> You are right though, I may not have flamed but I have stepped out of line. Think I'll take a break from the place for a little while. Just refrain from posting unless it's to quelch flame wars like the one going that went on between the the God nuts and the Damned... that's a joke. Really.

Okay, off to take my happy pills. Later all.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 09:22:34 PM
IP: 216.179.5.17

News note: "U.S. warns potential enemies: Retaliation could include nukes"
Now, this isn't really news. This is the long standing policy of the United States. BUT the new thing about it is the fact that Bush is now saying that he may use nukes in a PREEMPTIVE strike.
Oh, I fear that we are REALLY going to nuke the @$$ and take their gas.

Gside: 
I think it is even said to be so. At least vitamins, maybe stimulants.

It was after Alex sang 'Singing in the rain' really loudly in the bathtub.
<Unfortunately, I don't believe Playboy is that explicit.>
Things change.
<And now you know>
And knowing is half the battle. The other half is ignoring it.

Imzadi: <I'm disturbed by that>
And that makes me happy.
<Too bad there's only supposed to be 7>
Yeah... I would REALLY like to see how dark she would write a story!
<Um, you're thinking of hustler>
True, true... unless she just ACTS like she will use it that way. Suggestive, yes. But actually showing it? No.
<That trick doesn't work so well when you're on the 4th floor 8-)>
That's what power tools are for!
<Um, that was hell. He probably doesn't enjoy it.>
Maybe the first hundred time, no. But after that...
<Or, if I can't get that, then just put them in globes so you don't know which way they're facing. Like in casinos.>
Actually, they DO have the 360 degree cameras now. They are aimed up at a cone that allows it to see everything. Then, software takes the video and makes it look normal. This was on a older 233 mhz system when I first saw it too.
<Um, Xserve. But whatever. Not that you could tell its an Apple server from the picture>
I thought it was. Did you see AirPort security?

Greg Bishansky: <That will be a sweet day.>
2004: Anyone Else for president!

Spacebabie: 
She's lucky! ;)
<Saw or heard them sing?>
Yes to both!

Hyperion: <One is mounted on a small missile and is used for limited-scale engagements. The other is mounted on an ICBM and designed to take out Leningrad and Moscow.>
Ah. Surgical strike? I like those!
<Sure there is. Anything under 5 kilotons is a "small" nuke>
Is it possible to make a nuke with a yield that small?
FIre Storm
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 09:15:07 PM
IP: 66.72.186.61

Kaioto> Hyperion can continue the debate if he chooses, just without calling me a wacko. I didn't flame him or call him any names.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 09:14:20 PM
IP: 216.179.5.17

Greg> Um, all things considered, that particular assertion of managerial authority regarding an unpopular thread you yourself started (re: Bush) makes you look REALLY bad.

You made a vast claim that was supported by "evidence" that consisted almost completely of conjecture and circumstance, illustrated by less-than-objective sources. You garnered response from a grand total of TWO posters, both disagreeing with you pointedly, before you started threatening the banning stick to close the thread you started. I'm sorry, but though it was not intended as such, it looks TERRIBLE in terms of "I'm going to speak my piece, and the rest of you STFU because I'm in charge here." I'm pretty sure that wasn't the intent, but it still makes you look bad.

Since you started a thread that was almost obviously going to provoked such a reaction and you consider said reaction innappropriate for the CR, you might very well take some time to consider censuring YOURSELF for trolling.

As for the other "debate" yeah, it looks like it has nowhere to go at this point but to the bottom of the slippery slope of personal antagonism and it would be a highly appropriate time to table it for a while to let people breath.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 09:12:28 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

Greg Bishansky--<<LAIN, GODIVA, RAVENES, JOSH and anyone else involved in the religious war> Each of you has made your points, now stuff it. No one is going to change anyone's mind. So shut up before I hand out bannings.>> I never intended for my original post to even errupt into a religious war. Josh, Ravenes, and myself have been pretty civil. Lain is the one who turned it into a personal attack. And just out of curiousity, when bannings are handed out, is it a group decision among the administrators, or is it the whim of one? Just wondering...
Godiva - [renee_prater@rocketmail.com]
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 09:08:24 PM
IP: 24.52.251.66

HYPERION> <this wacko> Up until now, this argument was at least civil. But I am taking this as a flame. Do it again and you will be banned.

And while I'm at it...

LAIN, GODIVA, RAVENES, JOSH and anyone else involved in the religious war> Each of you has made your points, now stuff it. No one is going to change anyone's mind. So shut up before I hand out bannings.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 08:52:13 PM
IP: 216.179.5.17

You know...I actually started going a point-by-point rebuttal of those articles. But right now I'm too disgusted by all the assertations and half truths that this wacko is tryting to build a case with that I'm afraid I can't even begin to craft an objective rebuttal.
Instead I'll help his case along with this article:

http://www.voxnyc.com/articles(closed)/00000009.htm

which, quite frankly has as much objective, substantiated evidence as the one offering "proof" of colluision between Bush, Bin Laden and Enron.
I swear, if the Holocaust happend today there's be news articles saying it's all a hoax, perpetuated by the president to make sure his friends in GM made enough money selling tanks. Sheesh.

Hyperion
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 08:41:15 PM
IP: 151.199.239.10

If you thought Greg's "MAPSU" site was hilarious, than check out "The Glossary of Perversion"

Um, now that I'vee read a few of them, I think I'll just post the link in the ADULT CR and Gargoyles X.
Leo - [SORRY ;-)]
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 08:38:43 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

PATRICK> No, not the entire US government. Just the Bush administration. Some of my suspiscians are also in my gut. I'll be the first to admit that I can be suspincious and paranoid. But I don't trust the Bush administration as far as I could throw them. Never did.

"Don't forget. A serpent's venom poisons slowly after the bite."
-Vicious "Cowboy Bebop"
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 08:25:45 PM
IP: 216.179.1.236

Greg > I've seen all the stuff before about how the Bush family tree (which is huge) had business ties to the Bin Laden family tree(which is even huger). What I want to see is proof to support the logical leap that somehow this makes the entire U.S. government complicit in a massive conspiracy to team up with al Qeada and murder over 3,000 people. But I strongly suspect that no such proof exists... just wild conjecture.

Anyway... enough of this silliness. My new notebook PC has arrived and it's time to fire up the old zip drive and get my files moved off the old one.
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 08:09:14 PM
IP: 67.38.251.34

Sorry for the double post.

More on why Giulianni should be President. He's a real leader, and an honest one also, no matter who he pisses off while being honest. He speaks his mind. Not neccesarily what he is force fed or what is convenient like most politicians, particularly our last two presidents.

A few years back, there was a gathering of world leaders at the United Nations, and Rudy invited them all to have dinner at Gracy Mansion. When Arafat showed up, Rudy told him to get the f*ck out "I don't eat with terrorists." I've liked Rudy ever since
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 03:32:12 PM
IP: 216.179.1.236

Sorry for the double post.

More on why Giulianni should be President. He's a real leader, and an honest one also, no matter who he pisses off while being honest. He speaks his mind. Not neccesarily what he is force fed or what is convenient like most politicians, particularly our last two presidents.

A few years back, there was a gathering of world leaders at the United Nations, and Rudy invited them all to have dinner at Gracy Mansion. When Arafat showed up, Rudy told him to get the f*ck out "I don't eat with terrorists." I've liked Rudy ever since
Anonymous
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 03:31:34 PM
IP: 216.179.1.236

PATRICK> Here's a couple of sources...

http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/BushEnronandBinLaden.html

http://www.indybay.org/print.php?id=113709

The Bush family has so many ties with the bin Laden family, it's frightening.

FYI, I am not some peacenik or anything. But this whole war against terror is BS. Bush said any government that supports terrorism would be treated as a terrorist, and yet we're still good buddies with Saudi Arabia. A government that funds terrorism, and is just as extreme as the Taliban ever was. Why? Because of oil. There is plenty of terrorism going on in Africa, but we're not batting an eye, and why? They have no oil. We have plenty of our own oil in this country, especially in Alaska. If we just drilled for it, those Saudi bastards wouldn't have our balls in a juicer anymore.

And for the record, I am not anti-Republican, I am anti-Bush. My ideal president, besides me, would have to be Rudy Giulianni. Now there's someone who is a real leader. And Pataki would be great as VP.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 03:09:23 PM
IP: 216.179.1.236

So much good; so little time. Something about being physically fit just makes one feel...happy.

So apparently Hamas is asking for donations. And I thought PBS beg-a-thons were bad, check this out: For your donation you get your sins atoned for and are assured of a place in heaven. Kinda makes that tote bag and video you get from PBS look kind of crappy. Maybe I'll write to the Vatican and mention that they should start selling indulgences again, might help their bottom line.

*Looks at email posted* What de fook?
-Captain we have a major flame war at three miles and closing fast!
-Understood, ensign. Batten down the hatches, stand by defensive grid, prepare to ignore it at all costs!
-Aye, sir!

Greg Bishansky><the Bush Administration conspired with Osama bin Laden to plan the 9/11 attacks> Source? Or do you need a new tinfoil hat?

<Anti-Bush T-Shirt> Now that's just odd. Something there is not right. Either the local field office is really bored, the FBI farked up the info to the Service (most likely) or the article is inaccurate. <shrug>
<essentially treated the situation as a potential threat on the president> That's a little vague. That usually means arrests and wiretaps. I can't see the Service getting a warrant because of a t-shirt.

Imzadi><"Possible root: reference to Jews as greedy bastards and lying pigs">Meh. Whichever works for you.
<Then do you call top or bottom> both.
<the world was flooded> More like, if "a flood in the river valleys"="the world" then "seven days"="??"
<Societal relativism> Again, then you cannot argue the the Holocaust was a bad thing. The German society said it was a good thing and you have no *objective* way to prove any different. Everything from the LA riots, the Cambodian massacres, Mother Theresa and the Hiroshima bombing are all equally "right".
<Well, I fixed that little bug> Information has already been recorded. <evil chuckle>
<You must be a professional> Damn right. Now If I could just get a job...
<a small nuke> Sure there is. Anything under 5 kilotons is a "small" nuke

<lain><well.. until Saturday> Plenty of time. Make sure you have massage oil and er...other stuff...
<thats.. unfortunate>I'd agree. But then, you’ve never seen my writing, it might be a blessing in disguise.
<beleive exactly what my sect of my religion brainwashes people with>methinks you need to take five and have a smoke or something.

Fire Storm><What is the difference anyway> One is mounted on a small missile and is used for limited-scale engagements. The other is mounted on an ICBM and designed to take out Leningrad and Moscow.
***********************************************
"10 pounds?"
"Well, a 10-pound gain isn't too bad, but you could afford to lose it. Here's a list of foods I want you to avoid. No meat, low fat. Lots of vegetables."
"Rabbit food."
"Well, it's only for a little while, Captain. We'll get those 10 pounds off in no time."
"Who's 'we'?"
"Well, a doctor and his patient are a team, Captain, don't you agree?"
"Sure. And since we're a team, why don't you do the diet part."
Hyperion
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 02:08:17 PM
IP: 151.199.241.216

Mooncat >

"Isn't Lain female?"

Oh God, not one of these episodes again! Change the channel, quick!

Josh > I think you're unwilling to come to grips with the difference between objective physical reality and semi-arbitrary conceptual reality. Symbols like i, x, /, and + have only the values and meanings people ascribe to them.

1 + 1 = 2 in base 10
1 + 1 = 10 in binary

To change the evaluation of such a concept meerly requires altering the frame of reference.

Changing the Gravitational Constant of the Universe, however, requires significant alteration of physics, not just on a symbolic level, since it has a value and influence that extends beyond human conceptualism.

Which is why Math and Physics compliment one another while still being separate facets of our reality, and why a Mathematical impossibility and a Physical impossibility are not always interchangeable. Things can be calculable but nonexistant. They are real as Mathematical concepts, but not as Physical reality.

Yadda Yadda and ... um ... Yadda, I guess.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 01:50:35 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Isn't Lain female? :: blinks ::

MC
MC
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 01:24:39 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Lots Daughters - didn't we have this discussion way back when? Didn't they end up living in the wilderness having incestuous babies with Lot? I'd say something happened to them, and it wasn't all that nice.

MC
>^,,^<
MC
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 01:23:29 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Part Two of my reply to lain. (The one she wanted EVERYONE to see.) And I'm including everything so that she won't think I made this up.

Lain-What I had wanted to show you privately was an email I received from Ravenes regarding you. She did not ask if she could email me, nor did I tell her that she could email me. Buuuut, since YOU wanted the WHOLE CR to see, here it is. I hope you're happy.

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Hi Godiva. It's Ravenes. You remember that i told everyone to E-mail me
if
they had questions about God and stuff? Well Noone did. BUT Lain still
went
at it in the chat room. Some ho i think that he wants to know more
about
God. Mabey he's just in it for the agument? Or mabby God is "pushing on
his
heart." So. I think we shold work on him. I mean. Please don't turn him
down. I never said u were but just incass u r thinking about it...

From Ravenes

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Godiva
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 01:21:21 PM
IP: 24.52.251.66

**Replies:**

Josh-<< But you just did. You prayed to him and he saved your son. Sounds like a bargain to me.>> If that’s how you want to see it, fine. I don’t believe I was bargaining with God, but you do. Let’s just agree to disagree, okay? And believe it or not, I’m not trying to change your views on Christianity (though as a Christian I’m supposed to—though I’d rather chew nails at this point). All I’m trying to do is give you a clearer view of it and it’s quite obvious that I’m failing miserably. And please, leave the sarcasm out of your reply. I’m getting enough of that shit from Lain and it is rather childish and quite boring. <> Is this a sincere apology? Because every time I’ve read what you posted, it did not come across as you meaning his importance in the grand scheme of the universe. << What you should have responded with was a example, or proof. >> The closest I can come to an example is the casting out of demon spirits. It may not be Satan himself, but it would be one of his minions. <<Then you're more dangerous than a zealot. You're an ignorant zealot.>> I don’t see myself as a zealot. I see myself as a “baby” Christian—someone who needs to study more about my particular branch of Christianity, which is non-denominational. <<You and everyone else in this CR>> Ooooohhh…So that explains why lain is being such a brat.

Gside- << Just please don't say the miracle was a violation of physics when it allows for survival under whater odds it might have been.>> Okay.

Lain- << what does that have to do with anything? last i heard, four year olds had brains, too>> Well, of course four year olds have brains. Duh. What I meant was that where you and I know that sticking a pair of keys into an electrical socket is dangerous, he didn’t . Get with it. <<did you receive YOUR most divine revelation which allows you to know all things?>> What?? Where did I ever say that I know all things? << oh, well i must have misread genesis 18:22 - 33>> Yeah, you did. Abraham was trying to save his nephew, Lot. He wasn’t trying to save Sodom and Gomorrah. And if you read Genesis 19: 12-25, you’ll see that. a pretty damn pathetic reason.>> How so? << your scripture says GOD admits to being a selfish vengeful bastard>> Did you even read verse six? Exodus 20:6: “And shewing MERCY unto thousands that love me, and keep my commandments.” << try to keep spam OUT of my inbox >> Okay, whatever, though I don’t see how you could view any email from me as spam. <<and dont bother trying to find my email address, ive already blocked you>> Oh, that’s a really grown up attitude. How old are you again? <<if its really worth saying *THAT* much, im sure everyone else in this CR would enjoy being "enlightened" also>> Fine, have it your way. I’ll make another post. Just remember, YOU wanted it this way, not me. <<he was saying that with, you know what is it now.. 6 billion or so people on this planet now? its very unlikely that your child is THAT important in the *grand scheme of things*. (ie, why would GOD or satan want to muck around in piddly little things like that?) >> If that’s all he meant, then he should have said that in the first place. <<most of the rest of us have realized were insignificant, whats your excuse?>> Would you just get off of it? Good grief! Where are you getting this crap? I have NEVER said, nor implied, that I wasn’t insignificant. << you probably dont realize how daft that sounds, do you? >> Oh, now you’re moving up (or down, as the case may be) to name calling? <<no, i think it was more because they wanted to rape his angels>> Oh, that’s rich. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because the inhabitants were evil as proven when the men of Sodom came to Lot’s house looking for the two men (angels) that were visiting Lot. <<course, GOD doesnt seem to have aaaaany problem at all with a mob of psychos raping lots virgin daughters but hey, its the divine will, who am i to argue >> If you had been paying attention, you’d have noticed that nothing happened to Lot’s daughters.

I don’t know why you had to turn this into a personal attack on me. If this is how you get your kicks, then I feel even sorrier for you than I did before.

**End replies**

Godiva - [renee_prater@rocketmail.com]
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 01:14:11 PM
IP: 24.52.251.66

:: pokes head in ::

Greg > Re: "Every day it becomes more and more clear..." - Really. Who are your sources? Are you getting this from somewhere even remotely reputable? Are you just pulling it from the air? Or are you pulling it from someplace else entirely?

Every day I find myself more and more surprised by the bizarre statements people make in this CR... and I understand more and more why some have chosen to leave it for good. I suppose next we'll be discussing how the Holocaust was all just a big hoax, right?

That was sarcasm, BTW.

:: just shakes head disgustedly and lurks back out ::
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:42:39 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

DERN LOT BOYS!

Forgot Meryt.
Spacebabie
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:16:50 PM
IP: 67.25.48.59

Well my foot feels better. Vixen however pissed me off the other day. She was on my dresser and knocked a crystal egg onto a plate on the floor (((I allow my cats to lick the plate before I put it in the dishwasher)) and the plate broke. The egg is fine.

Mom went nuts with decorating the house, and I think one of the decorations attacked me. one of those cylander hanging things with long streamers...the streamers were like tentacles.

Patrick<<<just more proof that cats aren't really as smart as they want us to think they are.>>>Why do cats like to eat stringy stuff? Do they think it’s noodles? My cats love spaghetti. That was the first people food Vixen ever ate.

Greg X<<<Gods I wish that bitch would die.>>>How about we tie her up and give her to Josh?<<<When did wearing a fucking t-shirt become a fucking crime!!! >>>I think it was the target placed on Bush’s head…remember this was in a high school and when they are not having sex with their teachers they are packing guns ;)

Gside<<<most bishonen characters. >>>Yah Tigerseye!!!!! Heh I have a shrine of him…Although I’d say he is more ofa bisenein((Beautiful Man)) instead of a bishonen ((beautiful boy))<<<And now you know>>>And knowing is half the battle

Josh<<<The paper is finished!>>>Congrats.<<<That means 5 days till I'm outta here!>>>Big deal I’ve been out since last Tuesday :P<<<That was info we didn't need.>>>I could have used a more crude phrasing<<<Gross.>>>You don’t like Nerds Candy?<<<There are cute chicks in Toronto>>>All chicks are cute with their little black bead like eyes, yellow fluffy bodies and the way they go cheap cheap<<<Didn't know you were into DP.>>>Of course I like Dr. Pepper<<<Well you'd be wrong.>>>You are right. It’s more like 3.1428571<<<I'll take two.>>>and call me in the morning ;) <<<My work for the semester is done!>>>About Darn time<<<my finals which begin on Thursday>>>I forgot what are those again?<<>>I see those Lego Star Wars, and Harry Potter sets as a new version of model kits.

Jackal<<<you must have been sober>>>So you are supposed to be either drunk or stoned to watch it?

Kaito<<<Josh's part of the country is MUCH warmer than mine right now. J>>>So is my part of the country :P

Attila<<<but much much smarter than Mary Landrieu and Mary Landrieu is a natural blonde as everyman in the Louisiana legislature can attest to>>>That would make her dumb and a slut?

Firestorm<<<Even candy needs some lovin! >>>I love candy with my mouth<<<He saw his friends>>>Saw or heard them sing?

8. "Feel the fear and do it anyway" ~ Susan Jeffers

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:14:46 PM
IP: 67.25.48.59

Love the t-shirt. Think I'll take two of them.

But I need to say one thing. When did wearing a fucking t-shirt become a fucking crime!!! There's a little thing called the first amendment, but we all know how Bush and his henchmen are working as hard as they can to shred it. This country is slowly turning into Nazi Germany. It sickens me.

Every day it becomes more and more clear that the Bush Administration conspired with Osama bin Laden to plan the 9/11 attacks. I can't wait for the day we find hard evidence linking the Bush Administration with al Qaeda. That will be a sweet day.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:34:52 AM
IP: 216.179.1.236

Anti-Bush T-Shirt
WHIO-TV, NEWSCENTER 7
Secret Service Agents question a Bellbrook High School student for wearing a controversial t-shirt.

The shirt has a picture of President Bush on it and the words, "not my president."

Because this issue is so sensitive, even we don't know the students name. But we can tell you this whole thing was brought to the attention of school administrators after two students came forward and complained.

According to the Assistant Principal, the student had worn it before and it didn't cause any problems until the target appeared on the President's forehead. He confiscated the shirt, called the FBI and agents then called the secret service.

From that point, the Secret Service took over the investigation and met with the student and essentially treated the situation as a potential threat on the president.

There are more than 800 students at Bellbrook High School and the Assistant Principal says they're all good kids, but he's especially proud of two of them.

They tell us we're all responsible for homeland security, and they did what they're supposed to do and we're very proud of them for taking the stance that they did.

Hound of UIster
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 03:06:59 AM
IP: 144.92.164.204

The things I do to suck up to my professors...my wood design prof (who's writing me a recommendation for grad school) was sponsoring a guest lecture by the woman who wrote our textbook. I had to wake up at 830 during *dead week* to go see it.

And this woman was so boring...

Spent a few hours in the library studying for my steel midterm, which is about all the studying I'm going to do. Wood design will include zero studying, and tomorrow will be structural analysis. And that will wrap up finals.

Kaioto: <<one could say that the imaginary number i, the square-root of -1 is in fact, NOT a part of physics at all, since it isn't part of our physical universe in any sense other than theoretical concept of a Non-thing>>: No, one could not say that. I don't think you'll find any higher-order physics that don't involve i. If you mean physics in the sense of earthly mechanics, then you're right. But mechanics is only a minor fraction of all the physics studies. <<While it might violate, alter, or suspend one or more aspects of physics, it is a completely different ball-park from imaginary numbers in terms of our human understanding>>: Try saying that after following a proof of why rocks don't spontaneously float. <<The ability (or power if you will) to change the physical state of the universe is quite different from the ability to alter abstracts like imaginary numbers>>: No. A violation of the rules is a violation of the rules. If god can make gravity repel, then why can't god make the square root of -1 a real number? He just says and it is so. Of course, we only call numbers "real" if we can physically grasp them, like 2.5397576. But that's a trivial definition. We could wake up one day and decide that all i-multiples are just as valid as any other number.

Patrick: <<my college required all engineering majors to take>>: That sucks! All engineers at Cal have to take intro programming, but at least that's actually useful (i.e. writing scripts to do homework!). <<-1 was somehow important in performing calculation involving alternating current>>: You need it to solve the differential equation that represents the circuit you're analyzing.

Greg: <<MAPSU>>: LOL!

Hyperion: <<The jello-wrestling was a phenomenal success, beyond even my expectations>>: I'll add it to my checklist. <<...?>>: Pool city! For all your pool needs! Great for birthdays and bar mitzvahs! <<Possible root: Reference to Jews as moneylenders and pawnbrokers>>: More like "Possible root: reference to Jews as greedy bastards and lying pigs". <<Trans-Siberian Orchestra doing a rendition to O Fortuna Impatrix Mundi from Carmina Burana>>: But have you heard A String Quartet Tribute to NIN? <<Unless there's only one bed>>: Then do you call top or bottom? <<the problem with most major religions. Don’t' believe in them, go the hell>>: So either all of them are wrong, or one is right and the rest are wrong. <<Really! Interesting. I stand corrected>>: Yup. And if human life began there, then at the time of the bible it would have been reasonable to say "the world was flooded". Of course, whether or not human life began there is now in debate... <>: Of course I did. <<So the Holocaust wasn't objectively wrong?>>: Okay, that was an egregious exaggeration of my statement. I did not say that *nothing* that makes you feel bad was wrong. I just said it doesn't imply that its wrong. <<Without it, there can be no objective right and wrong. Only what “society” says is right and wrong at the time. And depending on your definitions of society everything or nothing could be wrong>>: Which is pretty much how I feel about the human race's ability to make judgments. <<Whois lookup on Verisign>>: DOH! Well, I fixed that little bug. Now it points to my web host, as it should have for the last 3 years. <<Specs? what?>>: You must be a professional ;-) <<Tactical only>>: There's no such thing as a small nuke 8-)

Godiva: <<You can’t bargain with God>>: But you just did. You prayed to him and he saved your son. Sounds like a bargain to me. <<visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me>>: Well then god is a horrible person. But I guess that clarifies why bad things happen to good people: because their parents sinned. Of course, that puts a damper in the whole "free will thing", but Christians were never interested in that anyway. <<I’d rather be safe than sorry when Judgement Day comes around>>: Is this a religion or a mafia? Do you really believe if you're just covering your own ass? <<BUT HE IS TO ME>>: I didn't say he wasn't. If you read it that way, I'm sorry. Of course your child is important to you. You're the parent. Its how things work. I meant do you believe that your child is important in the grand scheme of the universe, that he's so important that he needs to be saved? <>: They'd probably tell you to go stuff it. Now, if you told them I probably wasn't going to do anything important, they'd believe you. They wouldn't believe you if you told them that I wouldn't someday be very comfortable. <<How on Earth would an atheist know if anyone has met Satan?>>: I keep informed. I don't just "not believe in god". I decided after research into comparative religions that it was irrational. Besides, I find this question to be retarded. What you should have responded with was a example, or proof. <<And Christianity isn’t?>>: NO! You just said so yourself! Christianity is about "rather being safe than sorry" when god comes a-hunting. It's about god and jesus and accepting jesus as your savior and that's it. It teaches more about intolerance, hatred, and fear in its short history than all of the middle east has since the creation of Israel. That is what Christianity is about. <<The only way I’m going to hell is if I deny Jesus Christ as being the Son of God>>: Don't you find it a bit convenient that the *only* way to go to hell is by not accepting the founding tenet of your religion? Does that mean there are only Christians in heaven? What about people before Christ? <<He’s cleverly stupid or stupidly clever. Take your pick>>: Lousy way to dodge the question. <<Just as your belief is wrong>>: Perhaps it is. But your belief about your son's electrocution is based on faulty knowledge, where my belief is based on sheer faith (or lack thereof). They aren't comparable. <<those two cities were inherently evil>>: How can a city be evil? <<it still would have reinforced my belief>>: Then clearly your prayer had nothing to do with, or god had nothing to do with it, or both. <<A miracle is a miracle.>>: Except that it wasn't. <<Yes, I do>>: Then you're more dangerous than a zealot. You're an ignorant zealot.

Bud-Clare: <<"Unfortunately" is not the word that I would use>>: Why not? Wouldn't you like to be able to argue us heathens into believing in god? <<I'm secretly seven years old>>: You and everyone else in this CR ;-) <<That explains the spelling>>: That was the idea. <>: Then perhaps you can explain to me why Satan is fighting God when he knows he'll lose. <<Endless contentment would eventually become numbness>>: No, that's the idea. It wouldn't, because you'd be endlessly content. You can't be anything else. If your body "adjusts" to a given level of happiness and requires more, it would instantly feed you more happy drugs. <<foolish has already been and gone>>: LOL. <<sums up most MS products pretty well>>: LOL! <<Stop licking the semester, pervert>>: Can't help it, my grades are too good.

Fire Storm: <<TENTACLE RAP! I CHOOSE YOU>>: I'm disturbed by that. <<number 8 will approach MY dreams and fantasies>>: Too bad there's only supposed to be 7. <<No details on how she would use the wand!>>: Um, you're thinking of hustler. <<He removed the back wall>>: That trick doesn't work so well when you're on the 4th floor 8-) <<Hitler LOVES dressing in a tu-tu>>: Um, that was hell. He probably doesn't enjoy it. <<and have no need to rotate at predictable intervals>>: Or, if I can't get that, then just put them in globes so you don't know which way they're facing. Like in casinos. <<iRack>>: Um, Xserve. But whatever. Not that you could tell its an Apple server from the picture.

Lain: <<ast i heard, four year olds had brains, too>>: Obviously you've never been around a group of screaming children. <<hen, exactly, did you receive YOUR most divine revelation which allows you to know all things? >>: At church. Because, you know, if I knew the secret to existence, I'd sure be telling everyone else. <<for a "christian" thats a pretty damn pathetic reason>>: Belief by intimidation. <<generally try to keep spam OUT of my inbox>>: NICE! <<ive already blocked you>>: That just seems petty. <<im sure everyone else in this CR would enjoy being "enlightened" also>>: especially me, the heathen! <<its very unlikely that your child is THAT important in the *grand scheme of things*>>: Thank you. I was quite certain I was speaking english. <<you probably dont realize how daft that sounds, do you?>>: If so, it might not have stopped her. <<people are allowed to think whatever stupid things they want>>: And this CR is living proof 8-) <<GOD doesnt seem to have aaaaany problem at all with a mob of psychos raping lots virgin daughters>>: How could anyone resist underage virgins?!

Gside: <<A little nihilistic, since he doesn't believe he exists, but he has very strong followers>>: ::confused:: <<They live in Jersey>>: All three of them. <<resolution as reflection height approaches light wavelength>>: Ah, true. <<Whee>>: Go on, rub it in. <<Cambridge indicates that the hearing is optional>>: Someone better agree with me. <<It's an offshoot of Discordianism>>: Of what-an-ism? <>: Not familiar with XviD (which means its probably not available for mac), but so far all the mac implementations of DivX suck ass. <<Punish the sons for the sins of the fathers, but not the fathers for the sins of the sons?>>: Kind of a double-standard, don't you think? <<Espicially since a literal interpretation leaves women free violate whatever they want>>: If anything, women in the bible do not get off scot-free. <<The believers would tout it up as an important theological event>>: True. Never happened 8-) <<One can still believe in such a thing and commit atrocities>>: Yes but apparently they will still go to heaven because they accept Jesus as their savior. <<Just please don't say the miracle was a violation of physics when it allows for survival under whater odds it might have been>>: Can't reason with idiots. <>: Are those not the same? <<Unfortunately, I don't believe Playboy is that explicit>>: I don't think she'd get much charge out of it anyway. <<And now you know>>: And knowing's half the battle. The other half is magical weapons and initiative rolls. YUK.

hmmm...time to do stuff.

70. When my guards split up to search for intruders, they will always travel in groups of at least two. They will be trained so that if one of them disappears mysteriously while on patrol, the other will immediately initiate an alert and call for backup, instead of quizzically peering around a corner.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 02:51:01 AM
IP: 66.125.229.247

Technically, that should have been dusk blue. And now you know.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 02:18:05 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Odd quote I found: "Atheism is actually a very nice person. I used to play games with him from time to time. A little nihilistic, since he doesn't believe he exists, but he has very strong followers."

Tony Elliot> <<What ever happend artists that wrote their own lyrics and music?>>: They live in Jersey.

Imzadi> <<In a perfect vacuum it approaches infinity>>: You do also have to look out for the surface of the mirror, and resolution as reflection height approaches light wavelength.
<>: Nor I, but it is still a combination that can be considered.
<<Oh phooey. Fine.>>: Whee. Actually, Cambridge indicates that the hearing is optional, while Webster and Oxford provide seperate subdefinitions for hearing and just waves.
<<There's a whole religion for them?>>: Yup. It's an offshoot of Discordianism.
<<Use something cross platform, like MPEG>>: I prefer Either DivX or XviD. Though you might want to wait on XviD, it's a bit new.

Patrick> <>: Capacitors and inductors have imaginary impedance, and therefore can cause imaginary currents. Of course, they don't do anything in DC, so it only has an effect under AC.
<>: It haunts my nightmares. There's a reason I'm a CompE, not a EE.

Godiva> <<God�s not like that. See the above scripture>>: Punish the sons for the sins of the fathers, but not the fathers for the sins of the sons? I'd say that the line was more about spreading the punishment out to all they cherish, than literally on to progeny. Espicially since a literal interpretation leaves women free violate whatever they want.
<<How on Earth would an atheist know if anyone has met Satan>>: How would anyone besides that person know? The believers would tout it up as an important theological event.
<<The only way I�m going to hell is if I deny Jesus Christ as being the Son of God>>: One can still believe in such a thing and commit atrocities.
<<Yes, I do>>: Just please don't say the miracle was a violation of physics when it allows for survival under whater odds it might have been.

Bud Clare> <<Not that I've noticed>>: Maybe you should try.

Fire Storm> <>: I believe it's drugged milk. Or, Milk Plus drugs.
<<try to get Alex to commit suicide by playing the 9th>>: I thought that happened after he recognized a bit of William Tell Alex hummed, as did the killer of his wife, which let him realize that Alex was the killer, so thoughts of polotical overthrow turned to revenge.
<>: Let me know if you want anything on eden.
<<No details on how she would use the wand>>: Unfortunately, I don't believe Playboy is that explicit.
<>: I think that was before I got here.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 02:17:13 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

wb, Coyote. Hope the new place is nice.

I'll be out of town from Thurs until Tues. Visiting the relatives, oh joy.
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:29:55 AM
IP: 65.239.47.1

godiva>> <<Remember though, my son is only four>> what does that have to do with anything? last i heard, four year olds had brains, too <<That’s not how it works>> how, exactly, DOES it work then? and when, exactly, did you receive YOUR most divine revelation which allows you to know all things? <<You can’t bargain with God>> oh, well i must have misread genesis 18:22 - 33... o.O <<Because I’d rather err on the side of caution. I’d rather be safe than sorry when Judgement Day comes around>> youll have to excuse me saying so but.. for a "christian" thats a pretty damn pathetic reason. <<God’s not like that. See the above scripture>> um.. your scripture says GOD admits to being a selfish vengeful bastard.. how is that unlike GOD saying hell kill your mother because she didnt love him?? o.O <<BTW, would you email me?>> LOL not likely. i generally try to keep spam OUT of my inbox. and dont bother trying to find my email address, ive already blocked you. <> if its really worth saying *THAT* much, im sure everyone else in this CR would enjoy being "enlightened" also. <<My child may not be important to you, BUT HE IS TO ME>> you missed the point. he wasnt trying to say your child wasnt important to *you*, (hes your child, how could he NOT be important to you?) he was saying that with, you know what is it now.. 6 billion or so people on this planet now? its very unlikely that your child is THAT important in the *grand scheme of things*. (ie, why would GOD or satan want to muck around in piddly little things like that?) most of the rest of us have realized were insignificant, whats your excuse? <<Oh, puh-lease! How on Earth would an atheist know if anyone has met Satan??>> id be interested to know how on earth you can be so certain of what GOD said or wants, too. <<He’s cleverly stupid or stupidly clever. Take your pick>> you probably dont realize how daft that sounds, do you? <<Just as your belief is wrong>> um hello? beliefs and/or opinions CANNOT BE WRONG. they can be based on totally wrongheaded "facts" but people are allowed to think whatever stupid things they want. <<Because those two cities were inherently evil>> no, i think it was more because they wanted to rape his angels.. course, GOD doesnt seem to have aaaaany problem at all with a mob of psychos raping lots virgin daughters but hey, its the divine will, who am i to argue :P

hyperion>> <<Cool! I call top bunk! Unless there's only one bed..*wink**wink*>> well.. until saturday... ;) <<Yeah...unfortunately, I do my own writing. I have a hard time writing about someone else's universe. The goes doubly so for when I have to work with pre-described characters>> thats.. unfortunate :( <<Ah yes, the problem with most major religions. Don’t' believe in them, go the hell. tsk>> no no, its more the "dont beleive exactly what my sect of my religion brainwashes people with and youre going to hell" issue i have more problems with...
lain
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:58:39 PM
IP: 65.93.72.196

Josh, here is a link for you! Look for:
b33fyr33t: iRack Inspector
FIre Storm
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 09:32:59 PM
IP: 66.72.186.61

***Clockwork Orange stuff (Spoilers too)***

The movie was NOT the mind f$%k I was expecting. Instead, what I saw was a political movie that was weird, but only in a Kubrick sort of way.

Here was the leader of a small gang of incredibly violent teens. (My guess is that sex and violence is so prevalent in the media that EVERYONE is desensitized to it, even to the point of sexual objects being very commonplace.)
While I find that interesting that milk is the drink of choice, it may not be so surprising. If alcohol was banned, some other drink would be substituted, and in Great Britain, go for something local. Milk is easy enough to produce.

Anyway, the story is told by the gang leader Alex, a teen that has quite a few emotional problems such as a tendency to extreme (er... ULTRA) violent behavior and violent sex, a fixation/obsession with a long dead classical music composer that he feels he knows well enough to refer to him by his first name (Ludwig Von), and a general obsession with music.

So, here is Alex, his gang unhappy with his leadership ability, tries to overthrow him, a rebellion that Alex easily puts down. In the course of breaking and entering into a house, Alex ends up killing a woman with a rather large penis. While trying to escape, his gang members attack him with a bottle of milk (further strengthening my theory that milk is the societies replacement for alcohol,) and they leave him for the police. Naturally, he is arrested and sentenced for murder and gets 40 years.

Fast forward 2 years, and here is Alex, working along side a priest in prison. He now has a new obsession in the bible, but it is more towards his old passion: ultra violence. He fancies himself as one of the barbarians in the bible.

There are rumors of a new treatment that can cure your violent tendencies in a matter of weeks, a method that the government sees as a way to get the 'lowly' criminals out of prison (robbers, murders, etc.) and open up the prisons to political prisoners. Start political commentary.

Naturally, Alex is taken into this treatment. They pump you full of drugs and force you to watch stock footage. The drugs make you get sick when you see, do, or think about violence. One of the scenes is of Hitler (A totalitarian government. Remember that), accompanied by Alex's favorite song (Ludwig Von Beethoven's 9th symphony, 4th movement, which I frankly don't understand. Beethoven's 9th is a peaceful and energetic work of music, much unlike Wagner, who's music Hitler loved), so Alex now associates the 9th with violence, and now gets sick when he hears it.

After a fairly gratuitous display of the effectiveness of the treatment, he is released with no where to go. (His parents rented out his room). While the government says he is a free and changed man, he runs across a bum he beat up (he and his friends return the favor), his old gang members (who are now cops and guess what? They beat him up!) and finally ends up at the home of another of his victims, who takes him and takes care of him. Here, I thought, that this guy was taking Alex in because he was a good guy, but it turns out I was wrong. The guy (in a wheelchair thanks to Alex) is a political extremist who thinks that Alex is the perfect tool to bring down the new totalitarian government (You see? The totalitarian government was trying to tell Alex that Totalitarian governments are bad!), and try to get Alex to commit suicide by playing the 9th. They win. He tries (and fails).

The government gets so much flak about Alex trying to commit suicide that they reverse the prior treatment and give him a job, which I find funny. End movie.

SO, a political movie that kinda makes you think, yes. But a mind f$%k? Na. Far from it. I think the sex, violence, and charisma of Alex is what made the movie a cult hit.

At the very worst, I didn't listen to the full version of the 9th that night. (I listen to my MP3 collection at work)

I half want to write a rant on how *I* would change government now.

***End Clockwork Orange stuff***

Leo: <PEDOPHILES!!! (furry or not)>
Oh, like most people would care!
"Ungg... FURRY!" *SLURT!*

Gside: <Yes, that Bon Jovi. I posted it 14 mp3s ago. He released it in mid 2000.>
Hmm... I seem to have misplaced it.
<There are people fantasizing about furries even without the push>
Yeah, but there she was, all in her furry glory.

"Meow, let me use my tongue!" goes down. "Now I have you! TENTACLE RAPE! I CHOOSE YOU!"

Imzadi: <Good for you. Its a good set of stories.>
And if each one gets progressively darker and darker, then number 8 will approach MY dreams and fantasies!
<Dude, she's 14. But wait a few years, she's gonna be in all the porn>
Ah, details, details. But I bet that Playboy will REALLY want her to do a spread when she turns 18. No details on how she would use the wand! ;)
<Good luck getting it out of the apartment. I'm not even sure how we got it here in the first place.>
The same way my uncle got his SubZero into his house: He removed the back wall.
<Even if he were gay? Some people like being dominated...>
Hey, Hitler LOVES dressing in a tu-tu and getting a pineapple shoved up his @$$

DPH: <I'm assuming you have a redundant array of security cameras in place so e ven the smallest malfunction doesn't lead to a full-scale breach of security>
Of course! Network cameras, redundant, the ones that can see 360 degrees and have no need to rotate at predictable intervals.

Spacebabie: <She wants her Tootsie roll lollipops to be rubbed?<<<>
Even candy needs some lovin!
<Please tell me you made them suffer first>
Of course! The last one suffered the most. He saw his friends!

Hey, what's the link to the new Avalon Mists?

Hyperion: <Tactical only>
What is the difference anyway? Can't any weapon, if employed right, be a tactically effective weapon?

Greg Bishansky: <I'm going to attempt to preserve my sanity and assume this is a joke.>
The following line from the site proves it is:
"we do recommend Penis Enlargement as a form of HARM REDUCTION, since a longer penis means urine has less distance to travel, and less distance to travel is a very, very good thing"

Coyote: <I've been in the middle of a move>
Why did you move again?

You know... I just remembered something... I remember when LM's posts were so long that they couldn't be posted! She HAD to break them up into parts!
Fire Storm
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 09:30:17 PM
IP: 66.72.186.61

Coyote: Congrats on the move... Know where you're coming from with that.. my things came in nearly a month late... all that time with no internet access... and a zenlike empty apartment.

But it's all worth it once you set it up, right? :)
Shinigam
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 06:33:08 PM
IP: 64.12.96.138

To any and all who might be interested ...

The reason for my absence (and total and complete lack of being able to contact for this past week) has been that I've been in the middle of a move, which is now completed. Even though we're not on the water anymore, the consolation is that we're now in a bigger (manufactured) house. Oh yeah, and I only just got my Internet back up and running *yesterday.* So there. :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 05:54:07 PM
IP: 216.234.100.111

Gside> <<You belong to the Church of the Sub Genius?>>
Not that I've noticed.

Tony Elliot> <<Unfortunately, for everyone here, Christians and non Christians alike, you can't ague someone into faith. If you could, then everyone would be a Christian.>>
"Unfortunately" is not the word that I would use...
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Josh>
<<You have a bedtime?>>
Yes, Josh. I'm secretly seven years old. All the people in this room who believe that they have met me have actually only met the body double that I send to the Con in my place, as part of my nefarious deception.
I meant that I had accidentally stayed up until 10 a.m.

<<Its not the words coming out of her mouth that are the problem. It's the ones that she types through way of her anus.>>
That explains the spelling...

<<No, you misunderstand. Unlikely odds is one thing (i.e. the Revolutionary War). But if it is written in an "accepted" source that you're gonna lose, then why bother?>>
No, I didn't misunderstand. I just disagree.

<<Oh, the old "happy pill" debate. YES, it is preferable. If you don't care about ups and downs, then you're perfectly content.>>
Endless contentment would eventually become numbness. (Don't you dare say it...)

<<Just accept that you are wrong, learn from it, and move on without sounding foolish.>>
Er. Foolisher. (Because in this case, foolish has already been and gone. ;)
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Kaioto> <<IE - It can not interact with our physical reality (hence, physics).>>
*L* I think that the abbreviation that you're looking for is "i.e.", although I think I like your way better, as that sums up most MS products pretty well. ;)

*************
From several weeks ago:
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Impfac> <>
Good for you. Things can change, now that you want them to. Good luck. :)

Josh> <<So close to the end of the semester that I can taste it.>>
Ew. Stop licking the semester, pervert.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 05:50:55 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Lain-<< deliver your son from the silly decision of electrocuting himself >> Remember though, my son is only four. << to my understanding, when one prays, one is not supposed to ask the almighty for ANYTHING, rather, one is to say "GOD, work your will through me". not "our father who art in heaven, do this and gimme this etc">> That’s not how it works. You can’t bargain with God. <<<No, I wouldn’t assume that God had be slacking on the job. I’d assume that I did something extremely displeasing to him>> well, i sure as heck dont want to believe in YOUR GOD, if he kills your son as a punnishment for pissing him off..>> Exodus20: 5-6 (KJV) “vs. 5…, for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; vs. 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.” <<why are you worshipping him again????>> Because I’d rather err on the side of caution. I’d rather be safe than sorry when Judgement Day comes around. <<thats like saying GOD killed my mother (or let her die) because i did something bad.>> God’s not like that. See the above scripture. <> Lain, I’m not trying to offend you. I just want to try and explain myself and my beliefs. I’m sorry if I am offending you. BTW, would you email me? I want to show you something (Not really related to our discussion, but something you’d be interested in). I don’t want to post it here, for reasons that will become clear when you email me.

Josh- A word of advice for you. NEVER tell a parent that their child isn’t important. My child may not be important to you, BUT HE IS TO ME. Hmm, I wonder what your parents would say if you told them that you weren’t important to them and if they thought that you were, they’d be wrong. <<Wrong again. I know your church's knowledge is based of a third-order translation and that no one in your church has ever met satan. In fact, no one has met Satan since Jesus.>> Oh, puh-lease! How on Earth would an atheist know if anyone has met Satan?? <<Being a jew is about being a good person. Its about charity and good will towards other people>> And Christianity isn’t?? <<WHY!? Do you think you're that entertaining?>> In a word, yes. << Yeah, well you're going to hell for that.>> No, I’m not. The only way I’m going to hell is if I deny Jesus Christ as being the Son of God. <<No, in your last post you were telling me that Satan is clever and will try any trick in the book. So is he clever or stupid? Pick one.>> He’s cleverly stupid or stupidly clever. Take your pick. <<Um, that's not what happens during Judgement day. Jesus comes back,>> Actually, the Glorious Rapture will occur first. <<and those who are good go to heaven>> No, those who were left and then accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and the Son of God will go to heaven. <<and those who are bad go to hell>> No, those who never accepted Jesus will go to hell <<YOUR BELIEF IS WRONG>> Just as your belief is wrong. <<Then why did he wipe out Soddom & Gamorrah?>> Because those two cities were inherently evil.<<When you are a hard-liner about your religion (or lack thereof), you can't be with someone who believes the opposite.>> He never gave up his belief in God. He just couldn’t go to church knowing that he had those issues to deal with. <<Just out of curiosity, if you hadn't prayed that night and the same "near-death" had happened with your son, would it have reinforced your belief in god?>> Yes, it still would have reinforced my belief. <<Would it have been any less of a "miracle"?>> A miracle is a miracle. <<Worse, do you still think its a miracle even though the engineers in here have explained it many times?>> Yes, I do.

Green Baron-<<Subject: Cajun 12 days of XmasDay>> My grandmother (my dad’s mom) was from Louisiana. Cane River, in fact. She used to talk like this. I miss her.

Godiva - [renee_prater@rocketmail.com]
CA, USA
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 05:03:02 PM
IP: 24.52.251.66

Ok, so I'm back for my excursion to the great city of Pittsburgh with the following comments:
1) The jello-wrestling was a phenomenal success, beyond even my expectations
1a)You cannot find a kiddie pool in Pittsburgh in December. And before you say "well, duh" or something similar, wouldn't you think that maybe a large toy retailer would have maybe one in the back? It's not like I was being farking selective.
1b)Most Outrageous Phone Conversation:
"Hello, pool city, how can I help you?"
"Yes, do you have any kiddie pools in stock?"
"No, we don't sell pools here."
"....?"
1c)Final tally. Three tarps and two heavy-duty cargo straps from home depo = $45.00. 60 packages of jello and freezer bags to hold them = $35.00. A quantity of booze = $42.50. Time spent rigging an arena with old furniture= 2 hours. Watching people frolic in several gallons of raspberry jello = priceless.
2) New lingo: "to Jew" (verb): to borrow something temporarily, to take for a short duration. Usage: "Where's my lighter? Did Bob Jew my lighter again? That SOB!" Possible root: Reference to Jews as moneylenders and pawnbrokers. ie "Three Musketeers": Arimis: "Take it[a ring] to the Jew."
3)Trans-Siberian Orchestra rules the free world. In addition, Trans-Siberian Orchestra doing a rendition to O Fortuna Impatrix Mundi from Carmina Burana, complete with electric fiddle and lasers definitively proves that there is a God and that He is good and just, for only a good, just and loving God would allow such a thing to occur.

All in all a good time was had by all. Now back to work.
And on this day, I will reach back to hallowed antiquity to reply to things from last week...

lain><like you.. you can stay>Cool! I call top bunk! Unless there's only one bed..*wink**wink*
<theres that recruitment drive>Yeah...unfortunately, I do my own writing. I have a hard time writing about someone else's universe. The goes doubly so for when I have to work with pre-described characters.
<christian idea of death" shed be burning in hell right now> Ah yes, the problem with most major religions. Don’t' believe in them, go the hell. tsk.

Gside><Chronicles CD> Sweet. Will have to check it out.
<Planck space/time>Now that's where the loopy stuff starts. I love it.

Imzadi><evidence of a large flood in the Tigris-Euphrates area> Really! Interesting. I stand corrected.
<But just because something makes you feel bad doesn't make it objectively wrong>Wow. I have to wonder if you thought about that comment before you made it. So the Holocaust wasn't objectively wrong? Would you say it was even the right thing because German society promoted it? What about slavery? Was it good and right because society supported it at the time? You could also ask, what is society? Is it a simple majority? The world? A nation? A state? A neighborhood? The decision of the rightful leaders? That’s one of the main reasons I believe in a God. Without it, there can be no objective right and wrong. Only what “society” says is right and wrong at the time. And depending on your definitions of society everything or nothing could be wrong <Great. Now find me> Whois lookup on Verisign. Total time: 30 secs. Name, address, phone number, e-mail. Good place to start. :-D

Lila> Well, I'm certainly not going to change your mind about that. But, if you had cancer wouldn't you agree to damage healthy tissue in your body to destroy that disease?

Green Baron> Most people do. I can't imagine why. Maybe just because I have reached a good balance between secular and spiritual matters that the religion/science debate doesn’t bother me much.

Kaioto><EVER read the specs given to them> Specs? what?

Fire Storm><Works for me! Are nukes allowed?>Tactical only.

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"I do think there are some things we don't understand. If we'd be back in time a thousand years, trying to explain this place to people, they could only accept it in terms of magic."
"Then perhaps it is magic. The magic of the human heart, focused and made manifest by technology. Every day you here create greater miracles than a burning bush.
Hyperion
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 03:10:44 PM
IP: 151.199.238.195

This Needs to Be Seen to Be Believed...

Mothers Against Peeing Standing Up

http://www.mapsu.org/

I'm going to attempt to preserve my sanity and assume this is a joke.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 02:54:48 PM
IP: 216.179.5.73

Patrick: This should piss you off, then: i is a critical component of matrix transformations and differential equations, which I'm sure you know are necessary for fundamental understanding of structural analysis.

Fortunately, us CivE's don't care much about the fundamentals of structural analysis, just as long as the computer program runs ;-)
Josh
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 02:19:39 PM
IP: 64.160.47.251

Patrick > I think you are right.

I'm not going to claim that physics does not deal with abstracts. I'm going to point out that physical impossibilities and impossibilities dealing with non-physical abstracts are distinct beasts in terms of how we perceive reality (and hence how we ascribe meaning to our words and logic).

Then, we still have the issue of power. The ability (or power if you will) to change the physical state of the universe is quite different from the ability to alter abstracts like imaginary numbers, moral structure, or logical patterns. Apples and Oranges. Heck, this is more like bowling balls and cheese wheels, IMO.

Of course, the main problem with words will always relate back to how we attribute meaning to them on a collective and individual basis, don't you think?
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 01:10:47 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

The last time I encountered an imaginary number was in the "Concepts of Electrical Engineering" course my college required all engineering majors to take. I can vaguely recall that the square root of -1 was somehow important in performing calculation involving alternating current. I didn't quite understand it then, and I sure don't understand it now... but this is one of the reasons I'm a civil and not an electrical engineer. I like working with things I can actually see and touch. So in short I would agree that the relevance of imaginary numbers is pretty much limited to more abstract branches of mathematics. But physics encompasses the study of electricity, so you can't say physics doesn't also deal in abstracts.

My two cents on that. :)
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:42:25 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Josh > re: Violation of Physics.

You're lumping two very different things together, Josh. Violating the theory of Gravity and violating real numbers are too very different tasks. In fact, one could say that the imaginary number i, the square-root of -1 is in fact, NOT a part of physics at all, since it isn't part of our physical universe in any sense other than theoretical concept of a Non-thing.

IE - It can not interact with our physical reality (hence, physics).

A floating rock still interacts with at least some elements of physics, since we can see it, touch it, it has mass, etc. While it might violate, alter, or suspend one or more aspects of physics, it is a completely different ball-park from imaginary numbers in terms of our human understanding.

Math is useful for understanding physics, but is a very distinct beast in terms of what aspect of reality it reflects.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:16:12 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Thanks to everyone on for the warm congrats on the engagement! FS and I are planning to wed in spring of 2004. This will give us time to save money for a ceremony and make all the necessary decisions involved with every aspect of the wedding.

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Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 03:45:08 AM
IP: 66.72.186.61

YES! My work for the semester is done! Tomorrow I will actually start studying for my finals which begin on Thursday. Finished my paper last night and my roomie's girlfriend read over it to check for massive technical errors. Then when I handed it in the Prof said "congrats, you get an A" without having read it. He said everyone gets an A. There's 12 grade points I don't have to worry about.

Spent today putting together a giant Seawolf-class submarine out of legos. I must be the only 21-yr old around who still plays with this stuff. But I love it. I can't build real models while I'm at school because it takes up too much space. But with lego all I need is my bed.

Patrick: <>: If you didn't, would it have been a mac? It's the cad programs, isn't it? If not for those, a mac would be 100% compatible. <<Do you Yahoo?>>: Isn't that kind of a personal question?

Bud-Clare: <<I'm up way past my bedtime>>: You have a bedtime? <<That's just the way kids are>>: Apparently, its a big deal to her because her limited knowledge of physics tells her that her son should have died. <<your son is nothing but a pawn, and lives or dies based solely on _your_ behavior>>: He's a little young to worry about his own sin, isn't he? <<Were you serious?>>: Yes, I think she was. <<Do you even listen to the words that come out of your mouth?>>: Its not the words coming out of her mouth that are the problem. It's the ones that she types through way of her anus. <<Who does that?>>: My mother. <<that's a really depressing attitude that you have>>: No, you misunderstand. Unlikely odds is one thing (i.e. the Revolutionary War). But if it is written in an "accepted" source that you're gonna lose, then why bother? <<If you had proof, it wouldn't be belief anymore. Sort of defeats the purpose>>: Good point. <<That was an icky visual>>: Thanks. <<Is a stagnant pond really preferable to a river with rapids and waterfalls and those nice calm stretches where you can just relax and take in the scenery?>>: Oh, the old "happy pill" debate. YES, it is preferable. If you don't care about ups and downs, then you're perfectly content. <<measure five times, take the average, and hope for the best>>: That only works in physics ;-)

Jackal: <<you must have been sober>>: I saw it sober and thought it was quite interesting.

Kaioto: << say that it isn't, which clearly conflicts with the overly simplistic assumption that an Omnipotent being can do anything w can come close to conceiving of, including No-things>>: Okay then, can an omnipotent being make a rock hover in mid air with nothing attached to it? Because that is as much a violation of physics using imaginary numbers as the square root of -1. <<we now make the distinction between potential energy and active energy>>: No we don't. Don't go there. <<that particular ape-grunt has only what meaning we choose to give it, and nothing more>>: LOL. <<what is the limit to how many reflections two perfectly aligned mirrors can cast off of one another ... in a vacuum>>: In a perfect vacuum it approaches infinity. However, space is not a perfect vacuum. << Josh's part of the country is MUCH warmer than mine right now>>: As it should be!

Ravenes: <<Whatever you think. I'll stick with mine>>: Jeez, you aren't even willing to be corrected on trivial things. Just accept that you are wrong, learn from it, and move on without sounding foolish.

Gside: <<Would you prefer blue raspberry jello?>>: Actually, no. <<There are other ways to do it and make sure everyone's satisfied>>: True, but Ron's third law of porno dictates... <<And they're not gay>>: I wasn't accusing. <<Cambridge says it's what is heard because of quick changes of pressure in air>>: Oh phooey. Fine. <<modern English was working 4 off the original, when it's probably only 3 or less>>: It *is* working 4 off the original. <<the Church of the Sub Genius?>>: There's a whole religion for them? <<Use of proper English is a vluable skill to acquire>>: Unfortunately, retardes over there doesn't think so.

Tony Elliot: <<Try using .wmv format>>: NO! Use something cross platform, like MPEG. <<"Windows Move Maker" bundled in Windows XP>>: Ewwww. <>: It is, trust me. <<What ever happend artists that wrote their own lyrics and music?>>: See Hard Rock. *hard* rock, not that pansy crap put out by the major labels that fund Brittney and crew. <<While inbreeding causes problems, it wont kill off a population>>: No, you're wrong. In a small group it will. Florida's six-toed cats have the benefit of new blood coming into the gene pool every now and then. <<You're using this inbreeding as a basis to strenghen your argument of non belief>>: Um, duh. It was I who brought it up, by the way. <<If you could, then everyone would be a Christian>>: No, definitely not. Some people with certain upbringings cannot be argued into faith. Believe me, people do try. Second, what about all the other major religions? <<You were newbies once too>>: What's scary is that it was almost 2 years ago!

Okay, time to finish this submarine and hit the hay.

69. All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 02:35:57 AM
IP: 64.160.47.251

A few more thoughts...

(Still refering to the inbreeding ramble)
Unfortunately, for everyone here, Christians and non Christians alike, you can't ague someone into faith. If you could, then everyone would be a Christian. The only way to lead someone to faith is by living a "Christianly" life, and by interacting with your neighbors (the internet doesn't count) and doing what you can to lead them to faith through neighborly love.

Latin - At least you have Igloos in Canada, all we have in Wisconsin is cheese houses and more snow.

Everyone else - Yea, yea, yea, the newbie posted 3 times in a row last week. You were newbies once too. None the less, thanks for the warm welcome to the comment room.
Tony Elloit - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, Wi
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 01:29:47 AM
IP: 65.29.134.202

Zak McKraken - Try using .wmv format. Episodes compress to 50~55 Mb and still look quite watch-able. You have to use (as far as I know) "Windows Move Maker" bundled in Windows XP. I have no Idea if serving TV shows is illegal; but, I've download lots of south park episoedes from countless websites. From Disney's point of view, if I were to download an episode , I'm less likely to watch it on Toon Disney ... thus their ratings go down... then they sue whoever is serving the movie files. If you do find someone who is willing to serve the files, let me know.

Mooncat - <worst case, it clogs/blocks an intestine and you get a dead cat> - Tuche`. My family hasn't used tinsel for 13 years since we got our 2 cats.

Greg Bishansky - I share your distaste for Spears. What ever happend artists that wrote their own lyrics and music?

Who ever mentioned inbreeding problems with Adam and Eve - One of my favorite vacation spots is Key West, Fl { Can't afford to go this winter 'cause of the economy :( Oh well.} Key west has a very large population of 6 toed/fingered cats, which was a result of inbreeding way back when the key was settled. The cats look like and act just like any other cat I've seen (except mine), but they have a few extra digits. While inbreeding causes problems, it wont kill off a population. Besides, if an all powerfull God could create 1 human from dust, and the other from the first's rib, it would be pretty easy for God to stop genetic screw-ups.
The real point is that you (whoever brought up the inbreeding issue) don't believe in the Bible's creation story. You're using this inbreeding as a basis to strenghen your argument of non belief.
Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 01:20:10 AM
IP: 65.29.134.202

Imzadi> <<Gross>>: Would you prefer blue raspberry jello?
<<Didn't know you were into DP>>: There are other ways to do it and make sure everyone's satisfied. Unless oral counts as a penetration. And they're not gay.
<<OOH OOOH AAAH AAH!>>: Ook.
<<Which, if I'm not mistaken, is the physical definition of a sound>>: Cambridge says it's what is heard because of quick changes of pressure in air, water etc. Without someone to hear, it's not sound.
<<What was wrong with the ones I had?>>: Just that it seemed to imply that modern English was working 4 off the original, when it's probably only 3 or less.
<<You've failed>>: Yeah, but I couldn't just let it pass.
<<Now THAT is a funny image>>: So that's why people have been laughing at me.

Bud Clare> <<Who does that?>>: I think it's centered in New England.
<<It is the ineffable will of Bob>>: You belong to the Church of the Sub Genius?

Ravenes> <>: You said I made an attack on your character.
<<Whatever you think. I'll stick with mine>>: It's not just what I think. There is a need for common reference points in language, and many people enjoy a business collecting those and distributing them in dictionary form so everyone can be accurate when they speak to other people.
<<This is SO Pointless>>: Use of proper English is a vluable skill to acquire.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, December 9, 2002 11:37:45 PM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Gside> <That was not even close to personal. Perhaps a bit curt, but I made no remarks about you yourself.> I didn't sy anything about me that i recall!... <The word is the same, the pronunciation is different. Canadian may be a dialect, but that was a example of an accent.>Whatever you think. I'll stick with mine. <Let's see what Cambridge thinks. "dialect: noun: a form of a language which is spoken in a particular part of a country and contains some different words, grammar and pronunciation the way in which words are said from other forms of the same language" "accent: noun [C]: the way in which people in a particular area, country, social class, etc. pronounce words" Therefore, while accent is an aspect of a dialect, to make it a dialect it also needs different words and grammar.> *Sigh.* Whatever... This is SO Pointless! *Walks out.*
Ravenes
Monday, December 9, 2002 07:59:04 PM
IP: 24.86.117.45

Kaioto> I'd like to see Fabian Bruskewitz as the next ArchBishop of Boston.

BTW, what does Ted Kennedy have that UMass President William Bulger want?

Dead brothers.

And I thought Louisiana was bad :p

Granted, they just re-elected Mary Landrieu, proving that when Louisiana could elect a rational, intelligent woman to the US Senate, they instead keep their pea brained, whory, blonde bimbo who belongs to a crooked New Orleans family, and who's dad was a crooked New Orleans mayor and would later be Jimmy Carter's HUD Secretary.

I guess Louisiana will ocntinue to be a Democratic Banana Republic.

It could have been worse. If it was John Cooksey challenging Landrieu, she would have aired his comment calling Arabs Diaperheads in Political Ads.

Spacebabie is blonde, but much much smarter than Mary Landrieu and Mary Landrieu is a natural blonde as everyman in the Louisiana legislature can attest to ;)
Ghost of Reverend Attila
Monday, December 9, 2002 03:15:46 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

Josh > Define "omnipotent." Omnipotent, taken from its Latin root, means possessing every power, not necessarily infinite or unbounded power, either, just all of it. The logic problems stemming from Omnipotence are usually language or semantic issues.

For instance, the square root of -1 is an imaginary number. It is not real. It is a No-thing. Is the inability to manipulate a No-thing a limitation that precludes Omnipotence? Answer me that, clearly. I say that it isn't, which clearly conflicts with the overly simplistic assumption that an Omnipotent being can do anything w can come close to conceiving of, including No-things.

Then there is the concept of will vs. power which is not clearly defined. Capacity and power are often used as synomyns. An able-bodied human has the physical capacity to pull a trigger and consequently murder someone. They may also lack the mental or moral motivation to do so.

We might say someone too afraid or soft-hearted "can't" commit a murder. Yet, they have the means. Is the means power, or does it require the volition as well to be considered power? I mean, we now make the distinction between potential energy and active energy, after all.

I think God has the means, but lacks the volition to cross certain lines He / She / It has drawn in the proverbial sand in order to ensure a net positive outcome for mankind by His / Her / Its activities.

DPH > Do you think next time you could pick up a few more screw-up UI development contractors? There is a distinct surplus that needs cleaning up.

As for a rock so heavy an omnipotent being can't lift it, refer to my above comments to Josh first. Then, think about it this way:

If an limitless being lacks the ability to impose limits on itself, then it has reached a limit. If an limited being has the capacity to render itself limitless, then is it truly limited?

If creating the rock imposes a limit on God that didn't exist before the rock, God just made Him / Her / Itself not Omnipotent. Yet, if God has the capacity to manipulate the rock's existance, God can regain omnipotence.

Hence, our concept of limitless power (popular definition of Omnipotence) is itself flawed and / or incomplete, since our concept is not internally consistant. We'll still use the term, however, because people tend to get the gist of what we are saying. But, honestly, that particular ape-grunt has only what meaning we choose to give it, and nothing more.

Ironically, you could say that God is Omnipotent whenever He or She chooses to be, but you open up a whole new can of worms based on existing inside or outside of linear time in addition to our circular persuit of a perfect definition of Omnipotence.

More in the direction of concepts of infinity, what is the limit to how many reflections two perfectly aligned mirrors can cast off of one another ... in a vacuum ... :-D

Spacebaby > Josh's part of the country is MUCH warmer than mine right now. :)

OK, that's it for me.

I wonder who the next Cardinal is going to be here after Cardinal Law. May find out sooner than later if rumors are true ...
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, December 9, 2002 02:38:19 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

<<Saw 'A Clockwork Orange' for the first time...
It was a SEVERE let down>>
you must have been sober.
jackal
Monday, December 9, 2002 02:25:07 PM
IP: 205.188.208.9

Does anyone have a copy of the CR for the week of Thanksgiving? I just got back from the unpleasant trip to my mother's house. :P

Warning: I'm up way past my bedtime (whenever the hell that is), and damned if it hasn't made me all giggly.
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Godiva> I stuck a key in an outlet when I was one year old. Not a big deal. Most kids have more brushes with death than their parents will ever or would ever _want_ to know about. That's just the way kids are.

<<No, I wouldn’t assume that God had be slacking on the job. I’d assume that I did something extremely displeasing to him.>>
So... now you're saying that your son is nothing but a pawn, and lives or dies based solely on _your_ behavior?
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Fire Storm & Lady Mystic> Congratulations. :)
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Hyperion> <<So someone feels that God takes a active role in her life and the life of her family...how does this effect you?>>
It wasn't the references to God that made _me_ laugh, it was the reference to Satan. I'd say that was the oddest thing I've heard blamed on Satan in months.
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Ravenes> <<All the Human made religions, we can understand, exept ones that are centered around the Bible.>>
LOL ...Oh, sorry. Were you serious?

(Dammit. The first time I laugh that _loudly_ in a long time _would_ have to be while my new roommate is asleep across the hall. :P)

<<But, i mean Boda and the other "prophets", people beleave them, so y not Jesus and what he said?>>
I wasn't planning to respond to anything you said on this subject, but your posts have given me such a good laugh that I'm in a good enough mood to make me throw good judgement to the wind and actually talk to you.

Nah, forget it.

<<Guys please. If u want to descuse God please E-mail me. There are to meny threads I have to go though. If u really want to find the answers please E-mail me and i'll try to answer them or find someone to help me.>>
Woohoo! The Supreme, Omniscient Prophetess will answer all our questions! How foolish of us to not go straight to the source.
...Do you even listen to the words that come out of your mouth?

<<And USA pronounces it like roof, like a dog>>
Huh? Who does that?
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Josh> <<Only a fool would try to fight after knowing that loss is inevitable, and you can't tell me that you believe Satan is a fool.>>
Um... Ragnarok? Plus, that's a really depressing attitude that you have. To me, anyway.

<< <<One can know what is the truth...one cannot know the truth>>: Can you explain this apparent contradiction?> >>
It is the ineffable will of Bob...

<<and in the beginning, if there was nothing, that was order.>>
*snickers*

<<Just because the watchmaker theory is a flawed logical argument doesn't mean I'm right or they're right. It just means that proof must come from somewhere else.>>
Or that proof is irrelevant. If you had proof, it wouldn't be belief anymore. Sort of defeats the purpose.

<<after a few generations we'd have a human race of retards.>>
...That explains a lot.
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Lila> <>
Whether or not it's deserved is beside the point; wouldn't you be willing to endure a certain amount of short-term suffering if that suffering would start a complex chain of events that would lead to a desired event? Besides, what would you propose as an alternative? A warm, fuzzy world where everyone is as comfy and safe as they were while they were in the womb? (That was an icky visual.) Without suffering, there is little reason for anything to change, and without change, life is boring and pointless... which is just a different kind of suffering. Is a stagnant pond really preferable to a river with rapids and waterfalls and those nice calm stretches where you can just relax and take in the scenery?
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Gunjack> <<But that evidence has NOT been presented, and the theory is still taught and proclaimed as fact with a devotion one might call fanatical.>>
Not at my school, it wasn't. There are at least a few biology teachers who do know what a theory is...
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Thomas> Forgot what I was going to say. But, hi. :)
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DPH> << <Then how come Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Wesley all recognized Mary's marriage with Joseph
as uncomsummated?> Because they all misinterpreted the bible.>>
*snickers* Christians are funny.

<< < Then you learn what pain really is, and why "measure twice, cut once" sounds great in theory but never seems to work out just right in practice.> I always thought it was cut twice, measure once. :) >>
It's measure five times, take the average, and hope for the best. :)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, December 9, 2002 08:48:47 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Josh > Heck no, it wasn't a Mac. I needed something compatible with my desktop computers at home and at work.

Greg > Do you Yahoo? If so, you can find all the info you could possible want about that song. I did a quick search just now, and another link is below. From that site: "The twelve days of Christmas are the twelve days between Christmas and Epiphany (January 6th), which is when the three wise men supposedly arrived on the scene. It is NOT the twelve days before Christmas as many erroneously believe."

I know this to be correct, as the twelve days before Christmas are described in another song... "The Twelve Pains of Christmas."

"The first thing at Christmas that's such a pain to me / is finding a Christmas tree..." - Bob Rivers Comedy Group (listen online at www.twistedtunes.com)
Patrick Toman
Monday, December 9, 2002 07:15:27 AM
IP: 67.38.251.34

Woohoo! The paper is finished! Right now my roommate's girlfriend is reading it and it'll be all fixed up and handed in by tomorrow.

That means I'm DONE! Nothing else to do until my final on Thursday. That means 5 days till I'm outta here!

I saw Jim Norton on comedy central last night. For those who don't remember, he's the comedian that SJ was always quoting. He's FRIKKIN HYSTERICAL! A total jerk, I might add.

Warpmind: <>: No pun intended, but that's really like waiting for Godot.

Ravenes: <<Don't get personal>>: He wasn't getting personal, he was correcting you, because you were wrong. <<a few words diff do make it a diff dialect. But that's MY opinion>>: Your OPINION IS WRONG. You may not believe this, but just because you believe something doesn't make it a valid opinion. Your opinion doesn't change the definition of a word. I can say that I believe gravity pushes things apart, and that'd be an opinion. But it's WRONG. <<Mist the counting conpleatly>>: And the spelling.

DPH: <<I'm assuming you have a redundant array of security cameras in place so e ven the smallest malfunction doesn't lead to a full-scale breach of security>>: Of course. <<how many full-scale emergencies can your guards handle at a time?>>: Enough. <<does full-scale emergency mean immediate lockdown of all areas?>>: Not telling. <>: Yes. Notice how I answer all these questions in the most vague manner possible. <<can God create a rock too heavy for him to pick up. What's your answer to that?>>: Who cares? <<By all practical terms, they're a married couple>>: It never occurred to me before, but I guess since their union isn't blessed by a priest, they aren't really husband and wife? <>: That wouldn't help. People with similar codes create defects. Its how it works. Now, if god when in and correct nature's accidents, then okay.

Zak: <<was wondering if anyone had the ressources to serve the eps?>>: That would be illegal, and as such I will not volunteer to do it on a public website.

Spacebabie: <<part of it was due to my cycle>>: That was info we didn't need. <<Tastes like liquid blue raspberry nerds>>: Gross. <<All you have is snow and igloos>>: There are cute chicks in Toronto. <<I’d like a threesome with him and his older brother>>: Didn't know you were into DP. <>: Sorry, I'm busy that day. <<Why would you want to be Josh?>>: I have it pretty good, you know. <>: Well you'd be wrong. <<Some do dishes, some cook, and all are excellent in bed>>: I'll take two.

Patrick: <>: I'm guessing it wasn't a mac. <<Twelve... monkeys mating>>: OOH OOOH AAAH AAH!

Fire Storm: <<SEVERE let down>>: Really? I thought it was quite the mind-f*ck.

Greg: <<Gods I wish that bitch would die>>; You should just wish that they gods send her to my house to be tied up and gagged repeatedly.

Gside: <<sound requires someone to percieve it>>: No it doesn't. <<it's just vibrations in the air>>: Which, if I'm not mistaken, is the physical definition of a sound. <<It's a good enough way to help people deal with frames of reference without thinking too hard about the physics>>: It's also stupid and wrong. And the sky isn't blue because of light filtering through air molecules. <>: What was wrong with the ones I had? <>: You've failed. <<Go for the dwarven look>>: Now THAT is a funny image.

68. I will spare someone who saved my life sometime in the past. This is only reasonable as it encourages others to do so. However, the offer is good one time only. If they want me to spare them again, they'd better save my life again.

Josh - [ATkickothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, December 9, 2002 04:19:36 AM
IP: 64.161.26.102

spacebabie>> <<Poor Lain. Living in Canada. All you have is snow and igloos>> i know. its very sad.. :(

*stabs self in eye with dull pen*

buuuuuurnout..

and thats all i have to say about that.

*knocks back numerous pills and goes to bed*
lain
Monday, December 9, 2002 01:58:58 AM
IP: 65.93.73.91

Imzadi> <<Yes>>: Wrong, sound requires someone to percieve it. Otherwise, it's just vibrations in the air. Since the only person (temporarially) around was deaf, there was no sound.
<<there's no such thing as centrifugal forces>>: It's a good enough way to help people deal with frames of reference without thinking too hard about the physics.
<<So 5?>>: There were 4 separate translations that you indicated, but I believe the longest chain of translations was three.
<<Of course>>: I thought you would have been introduced to Planck lenght and time there.
<>: Perhaps, but I feel I must at least try to combat idiocy.

Warpmind> <<now I'm letting my hair grow; working on the biseinen look>>: No, no, let all your hair grow. Go for the dwarven look.

Ravenes> <<Na zdorov'ya>>: That's not my name, it's just a Ukranian toast I use as a tagline.
<<Don't get personal>>: That was not even close to personal. Perhaps a bit curt, but I made no remarks about you yourself.
<>: The word is the same, the pronunciation is different. Canadian may be a dialect, but that was a example of an accent.
<<a few words diff do make it a diff dialect. But that's MY opinion>>: Let's see what Cambridge thinks. "dialect: noun: a form of a language which is spoken in a particular part of a country and contains some different words, grammar and pronunciation the way in which words are said from other forms of the same language" "accent: noun [C]: the way in which people in a particular area, country, social class, etc. pronounce words" Therefore, while accent is an aspect of a dialect, to make it a dialect it also needs different words and grammar.

Spacebabie> <<If it�s you then uh no thanks>>: Not I, but one of Ms. Takahashi's most bishonen characters.
<<The meat is the part under the skin of a fruit>>: Gyp.

Greg> <>: http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/12days.asp Besides, there are also twelve days between Christmas and Little Christmas.

And for the heck of it, the neew mp3 is Don Quixote by Gordon Lightfoot. It may be obscure, but I like it.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, December 9, 2002 12:51:58 AM
IP: 165.230.240.116

Worked all day today, not so bad, didn't have to listen to Britney Spears sing about Christmas all day, like last week. Gods I wish that bitch would die. Well anyway, instead I had to listen to the 12 Days of Christmas.

I do not understand this song? What's the point of it? There aren't twelve days of Christmas... it's not Chanukah! Jesus wasn't born twelves times! And who would want two turle doves and a partridge in a pear tree??? The five gold rings would be nice though, then I could pawn them

So, will someone please explain this song to me?
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, December 8, 2002 11:19:17 PM
IP: 216.179.3.61

Cats and Tinsel -- ummm... worst case, it clogs/blocks an intestine and you get a dead cat. Shiny hairball or kitty poo is the best case scenario, because it means they managed to pass it.

MC
Mooncat
Sunday, December 8, 2002 11:18:58 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Rats! Mist the counting conpleatly!
Ravenes/Raven
Sunday, December 8, 2002 10:52:13 PM
IP: 24.86.117.45

Saw 'A Clockwork Orange' for the first time...
It was a SEVERE let down.

Green Baron: Fight'em with Pork!
FIre Storm
Sunday, December 8, 2002 08:41:56 PM
IP: 66.72.186.61

I just placed an order for a new laptop, so Merry Christmas to me. Now all my old one has to do is survive one more week. It froze and crashed three times last night in two hours while doing nothing more complicated than instant messaging, and now the little mouse eraser nub thingy keeps coming off... so with all the sales going on for Christmas it was starting to seem like the right time to upgrade.

Spacebabie > My cats eat the tinsel, too. Best case, it makes cleaning the cat box oh so festive. Worst case... shiny hairballs. Yet they continue to eat it anyway... just more proof that cats aren't really as smart as they want us to think they are. And as for decoration in here...

:: strings up some up muticolored lights around the room, and puts on some music ::

"Twelve... monkeys mating, eleven pygmies farming, um... uh... FIVE GOOOOLD RINNNGGGGS!" - Eddie Izzard, "Dress to Kill"

Patrick Toman
Sunday, December 8, 2002 08:31:12 PM
IP: 67.38.251.34

NOT top 10 (oh well) -- Lots of interesting chat from before but I havent had time to address it all.
silvadel
Sunday, December 8, 2002 07:12:37 PM
IP: 208.59.247.9

A moment of Silence for Glenn Quinn who died on the 3rd at the young age of 32.
He played Doyle on the first season of Angel.

Woke up at four because Mix entered My parents room through the window. She crawled behind the bed and I had to coax her out. As I picked her up and rose to my feet I banged my knee into the night and my toes curled under my foot and I heard a snap. Nothing’s broken but my foot still hurts.

Did the holiday shopping today, had a bit of holiday depression, but part of it was due to my cycle.

This place needs to be decorated more. :::Hangs a large wreath on the wall, Sprouting form the wreath is a big batch of hentai tentacles.:::

As I type this I’m sipping Pepsi Blue for the first time. Tastes like liquid blue raspberry nerds

Replies:

Lain<<<pecans grow on TREES>>>Yah<<<oh my GAWD!!! they DO!!!! THE COOLEST THING>>>Poor Lain. Living in Canada. All you have is snow and igloos

Godiva<<<I’d be thinking of the Dread Pirate Roberts (“as you wiiiish…”)>>>True, but Castaway is one of the bad guys I’d like to sleep with. Well I’d like a threesome with him and his older brother, but still

Robby<<<Robby comes in, and just to spite DPH, brings out some good ol' fashion mistletoe, plants it at the entrance,>>>:::Watches as the fey hovers next to it:::

Firestorm<<<But she REALLY needs a tootsie rub! ;)>>>She wants her Tootsie roll lollipops to be rubbed?<<<Ah, there were carolers today so I got my fresh meat.>>> Please tell me you made them suffer first.

Leo<<<That movie gave me a headache.>>>It gave me Ewan singing *drools*<<<What brand?>>>Bertolli and it was Extra…I remember seeing a Headlines on Leno once where someone sent in a coupon for extra virgin olive oil and it had a picture of a cheerleader.

Gside<<<May I introduce you to a male amazon?>>>If it’s you then uh no thanks.<<<Where's the meat?>>>The meat is the part under the skin of a fruit.

Green Baron<<<Cajun 12 days of XmasDay >>>LOL I forgot that Cajuns eat anything<<<If a tree falls on Helen Keller and no one is around, does it make a sound J>>>Sick dude<<<I'll bring some with me to the Gathering, roomie.…>>>I would probably end up in a room with two guys

Kaioto>>>Why would you want to be Josh?

Patrick<<<trying to keep the cats from climbing the Christmas tree. :P>>>For some reason Velvet never does that. She would play with the tinsel and the ornaments

Warpmind<<<Yer dad shaved his noggin? Well, so do I, when I feel like it;>>>That’s why we call you baldy.

DPH<<<Hehehe. Next year's version, holographic mistletoe v3.0 will be even a whole magnitude harder to corrupt>>>Yet we are going to try

Josh<<<Dogs hump trees all the time.>>>They are dogs, and dogs are stupid.<<<Whatever.>>>Its really good warmed up and served with whip cream and ice cream.<<<Anyone who doesn't shower will reek.>>>Hippys never bathe<<<God I hate you.>>>:P<<<Does that mean you don't know anything?>>>I know Pi is 3.14<<<Depends. Can they wash dishes?>>>Some do dishes, some cook, and all are excellent in bed<<<Ever.>>>Maybe once every two months and once every two weeks when TGS is cooking.

7."A baby rises to its feet, takes a step, is overcome with joy-and falls flat on its face. It is a pattern for all that is to come! But learn from the bewildered baby. Lurch to your feet again. You will eventually make the sofa in the end." ~ Pam Brown
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Sunday, December 8, 2002 06:36:47 PM
IP: 64.156.211.163

Hi,

When I couldn't find good rips on kazaa of gargoyles eps, I started ripping them off the PVR and divx them. Their about 170 megs a piece, (fit 4 on a CD).

With my stupid ISP's upload speed and ammount limits, I'm in no position to serve them but was wondering if anyone had the ressources to serve the eps? If so, I would gladly upload them as they are completed. (Whole series will be about 12 Gigs)
Zak McKraken - [mail@internet.com]
Town, QC, Canada
Sunday, December 8, 2002 06:04:26 PM
IP: 66.130.238.69

I came into the cr and said to myself "holy shite were is every one?" then it hit me TOP TEN!! lol anyway last week and the start of this week a cols or flu or something has been ransacking my body. It started with a really bad soar throat that radiated from there to my head, I felt like I could have banged my head on a wall and not have noticed a thing. then, oh happy joy...I thought I was getting better on Friday...*eeeeeeee* wrong, it did a double take, and hit me with the soar throat (still) F-ing runny nose (DRIVES ME NUCKING FUTS!) and *cries* pink eye!! I think I picked that up on Saturday at Wal-Mart :o( its been a really horrible week...*snorfs up the snot running down her upper lips* so yeah it been a really good start to Christmas for me, I made my room mate a stocking though, she didn't have one...I made another for an old friend that is coming from Ottawa to visit, only thing is i can finish them yet(all I need to do is sew them) but I don't wanna touch them while I got this damn pink eye *sobs* i have to go to the doctor now to get an antibiotic for it. Great work isn't going to impressed, I don't think they'll want me working there with pink eye. :oP *wails* I HATE BEING SICK!! anyway sorry for wasting space but my roomie needed a break from me complaining to her, :o) she even got me breakfast this morning! And on top of that my Grandma brought me dinner tonight...*says in a high pitched voice Marilyn Monroe voice* There are people that love me, lol and I already have one Christmas card! Hope every one else's holidays are starting better than mine.

Coughed up a hairball yesterday, found out later it wasn't mine. Ate three gold fish out of the pond in the backyard, bit the neighbors kid and scratched the back of the couch again. Tomorrow I sleep.
Phire_kat - [adele@itookmyprozac.com]
Middle Of Nowhere, Novofluoxtine, Canada
Sunday, December 8, 2002 05:56:01 PM
IP: 65.93.86.56

TOP 10, #10
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, December 8, 2002 05:35:34 PM
IP: 204.94.193.28

Does that mean you're in de-Ni(ne)-al? ^_^

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Sunday, December 8, 2002 04:56:47 PM
IP: 65.35.132.55

I eight this game. *Slaps head for the stupid pun*
Silverbolt
Sunday, December 8, 2002 04:51:08 PM
IP: 62.7.127.186

7. This is the first top ten I haven't slept through for a good while...
Josh
Sunday, December 8, 2002 04:39:06 PM
IP: 64.160.47.251

Sixth!
Patrick Toman
Sunday, December 8, 2002 04:31:01 PM
IP: 67.38.248.173

Aloha!
Gunjack "Hola Hola Hola!" Valentine
Sunday, December 8, 2002 04:29:15 PM
IP: 192.133.129.164

4th! or 5th!
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Sunday, December 8, 2002 03:59:51 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

3rd

Revel
Sunday, December 8, 2002 03:56:46 PM
IP: 129.120.173.67

2nd
Ed
Sunday, December 8, 2002 03:44:03 PM
IP: 213.187.48.126

Theres a first for everything and today its me YEA! neato :oD
Phire_kat
Middle Of Nowhere, Novofluoxtine, Canada
Sunday, December 8, 2002 03:25:31 PM
IP: 65.93.86.56

Uh first?
Phire_kat
Middle Of Nowhere, Novofluoxtine, Canada
Sunday, December 8, 2002 03:23:53 PM
IP: 65.93.86.56